I don't think anybody was expecting
Welcome to our meeting this afternoon. I
would officially like to call this
meetingwork session to order today,
Thursday, August 20th
uh 2026 at 300 p.m. Uh the meeting is
officially called to order and we will
have our invocation delivered by Mr.
Hatum followed with a pledge by Mr.
Jamson. So if you please stand.
>> Good to see everyone here today. Let's
pray. Our dear heavenly father, we come
to you at this time, Lord, thanking you
for the privilege and honor of serving
uh the citizens of Franklin County.
Lord, we pray that everything that we do
and say in this meeting will be
according to your precious will and
pleasing in your sight. Lord, we pray
that everything that we do that we
always look to you for wisdom and
guidance in everything that we say and
do. In Jesus name I pray and ask it all.
Amen.
>> Amen.
>> Pledge allegiance to the flag of the
United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation
under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.
» Okay. Thank you all very very much. Um
you will note at your place um that
we've got uh an amended agenda from the
one initially sent out um with the um
the noted change of an item for the
Boone district vacancy at the end um of
our workday here. Um but given that are
there any uh concerns uh any additions
you'd like to recommend for the agenda?
Okay. Hearing none. Um I will accept a
motion to approve the agenda as
submitted.
>> So move.
>> Second.
>> Thank you. All those in favor, please
say I.
>> I.
Opposed like sign. And that carries.
Okay. Mr. Sandy, we're going to begin
our work sessions and I will turn it
over to you to introduce your staff and
get us get us moving here.
>> All right. Thank you. Um yeah, we we did
want to take this opportunity to provide
a a little update on the progress and
activities. We're calling it W Weaver
Street. So, this is not only the CTE,
but you know, this is referring to the
ModCraft, former ModCraft building, uh
which is located on Weaver Street, which
we intend to have more of a multi-use
structure. So, it's not strictly the
CTE. So, so Brandy's kind of going to
give a more holistic update. And then I
know uh Supervisor Quinn had requested
an opportunity to speak more
specifically to the CTE portion uh of
the project. And so following Bry's
presentation, uh we have another
presentation that um Mr. Quinn, I don't
know if you're going to do it from your
seat or if you're going to go up there.
Okay.
um we'll make a presentation and then
the expectation would maybe be any
discussion or questions um you know at
that point that that we can work work on
to address for you either today or come
back with further information and then
um you know once we complete that
segment then we plan to to move forward
with you with some planning updates and
some discussion on a couple plans.
>> Very good.
>> Thank you.
>> We'll let Brandy
>> Good afternoon Brandy. Uh good
afternoon. Uh it's my pleasure to be
here this afternoon to give you guys a
brief update on the Weaver Street
property um progress and just very
quickly to touch on the progress that
we've had since our last update. Um our
site cleanup still continues with the
assistance of the sheriff's office. Uh
we've removed just over 300 tons of
material at this point um utilizing um
labor from their trustees. So we really
appreciate the partnership with them. Uh
we have continued communication with our
industry experts. Um these are the group
that we interviewed previously when we
were determining the project delivery
strategy. Uh they consist of general
contractors, architects um and owner's
representatives.
Um we have drafted a request for
proposals or an RFP uh for owner's
representative services which I will
touch on that um in some future slides.
We have collected sample RFPs for
architecture um or architect engineering
services or A&E services as I'll refer
to it for the rest of the presentation.
Uh we've toured additional E911
facilities um most recently um the
renovated facility in Pennsylvania
County last week and we are finalizing
the disposition of the back parcel. Um
you guys approved the sale of that
parcel um and we're going through a
little bit of due diligence on that now.
Um we don't have a closing date. um at
this time.
So just a reminder, the project delivery
strategy that was approved by the board
was their traditional design bid build.
Um I won't read through the exact
description of it, but um it it is
basically uh the process that you see
most commonly used where you design the
facility under um an architect engineer,
then you put it out to bid and then you
have a general contractor construct it.
looking at the order of priorities on
this form of um delivery strategy. Uh
you typically see cost, time, and then
quality. Um having quality listed as the
third priority is not necessarily a bad
thing. It's just the cost and the timing
of the building um tend to be the higher
priority in this type of delivery
strategy. Uh looking at the process
under design bid build, we will issue
that RFP for owner's representative
services. Uh following that we'll have a
request for proposals issued for A&E
services. So our architect engineer
um an architect will be selected and a
comprehensive proposal developed which
will include uh pricing for your
schematic design development
construction documents um construction
administration and so on. Uh we will
engage the third party cost estimator at
that point to give us a very detailed
estimate of what we feel the project is
going to cost.
uh we'll pre-qualify general contractors
that may be interested in the project
and then issue that invitation for bids
for general contractor services.
Uh the contract will be awarded to the
low bidder and be approved by this
board. Um and construction will begin
after that. Um I did want to note um
that running concurrently with all these
steps is engagement with our project
partners. So there'll be constant
dialogue um with our school system, our
community colleges, farm college,
businesses, um economic development,
everybody that's going to be key players
in this uh process.
So kind of touching on what an owner's
representative is. Um and this is pulled
out of the RFP. Um an owner's
representative is a consultant that
provides pre-construction and um
construction phase um construction
related project management. Um it can
also include building commission
services and um a variety of other
services if needed. The consultant acts
as the owner's project manager and
provides sufficient administrative
management and related services um as
required to fulfill the contract.
So looking at the preconstruction
services and I won't read these
verbatim. Uh they do assist the owner
with generating the RFP for architecture
and engineer services. They review
available programs, plans,
specifications, cost estimates and so
on. Um and lead um the kickoff like the
phase in meeting uh between the county
and our architect.
Uh they provide document reviews at
various phasages phases of design. Uh
looking at programming,
constructibility,
scheduling, construction duration,
construction cost. Um
they manage the owner's project and
construction budget. um compare design
phase estimates with um budget cost and
prepare uh an update cash flow analysis.
They monitor and maintain overall
project master schedule um including
major design and pre-construction
activity, start and finish dates, review
times, and key milestones.
um they identify potential owner direct
procurement strategies um and really
weigh the the benefits and risk of
those.
Excuse [clears throat] me. Um finally,
they provide contract administration
support. So they're doing invoice
review, pay application review, um
conflict resolution if needed, um they
do special inspections, direct
procurement if we decide to do that, um
and so on.
And very quickly, um, they also help,
uh, prepare the potential biders list
for construction. Um, so they they'll
start what's considered a bidder's
interest campaign where they're reaching
out, um, to contractors that may be
interested in bidding the project, and
that'll be coordinated with our
architect. On behalf of the owner,
they'll review bid documents prepared by
the architect, assist the owner in
preparing and placing advertisements um
to solicit bids um for owner purchased
items and also um consultant contracts
if needed. Uh they represent the owner
and construction pre-bid conferences
that'll be led by our architect. uh
reviewing agenda that are generated
during that process uh for
constructibility effect on the project
um construction budgets and timelines.
Um and finally, they'll assist um the
county with bid evaluations and
selection.
[snorts]
Moving to construction services, they
provide and maintain on-site management
for the project as an agent of the
county. They provide and maintain
on-site records.
They verify that all required permits,
bonds, and insurance have been obtained
by all parties. They monitor
construction contract administration by
the architect. Uh they represent the
owner at progress meetings with the
architect, the contractor, and any other
parties needed.
Uh they establish a program to monitor
construction quality. Uh really to guard
the owner against any work that does not
conform.
Um
excuse me, just one second. to the
construction contract requirements. Um,
in conjunction with the architect and
the contractor, they orchestrate a plan
for successful building occupancy and
acceptance. Uh, they review and certify
that contractor's construction schedule
and schedule of values is prepared in
accordance with uh contract documents
and industry practices.
Um, they provide regular updates to the
board of supervisors and the school
board on the construction progress.
uh provide monthly updates including but
not limited to a brief description of
monthly construction activities and
financial information. And at the
conclusion of the project, they prepare
to deliver uh prepare and deliver to the
owner a final accounting of the project
budget um and all closeout reports.
Um so that is my update for you and um I
can either answer questions now or if
Mr. Quinn would like to do his
presentation, we can answer questions
after that.
>> Thank you. Does anybody have any
questions for Brandy before Mr. Quinn
presents? Please.
>> I have a couple Brandy. So,
>> do you envision this owner's
representative being a person or a
company? And I just asked that because
it's a pretty diverse set of
capabilities. I'm wondering if one
person can have that or are you looking
for a a company where when you put all
the people in that company together,
they can provide that service.
>> I've done both. Um, I've done a regional
jail project where we used um a single
owner's representative that was very
specialized in correctional facility
design. Um, and I've also used um larger
groups where um if we are looking at
public safety section of the building,
it may be one representative from their
company for that part of it. But if it's
CTE, it would be somebody that
specializes in that area. Mhm.
>> And then I don't see the word quality in
here anywhere except in the beginning
where you know it's the third priority.
And just wondering how we can ensure
that quality is is an equal equally
important part of this where it's almost
these three objectives together and and
maybe quality is third but but it's a a
very close third to to the first two.
Oh,
>> I would absolutely agree that it ranks
right up there with it. Um, I would say
the selection of the the the best
owner's representative, architect, and
contractor. They're all going to have to
work together to ensure that quality.
But having the owner's representative as
our boots on the ground every day um
truly there to represent us. They're not
there to represent the architect.
They're not there to represent the
contractor. Um they're there truly to
represent us um and the construction of
that facility. So I think quality would
be insured through that position. And
then the the last question, I just
wondered if you envisioned the contract
with the owner's representative having
performance incentives, for example,
minimizing ECPs in the construction
process and if if they were able cost
containment, something around cost, so
they're they're financially incented to work with us to minimize ECPs.
>> I had not considered that, but it's
certainly something that we could work
into the RFP. Um, if that's the desire
of the board,
>> I think it'd be interesting to have a
variable component with them where they
were they truly had a financial
incentive to help us, right? It would
just align them with us better if they
knew that to the extent that they keep
the the cost where it should be and they
don't have overruns and they don't have
um ECPs that that were that they're
rewarded for that too.
>> Yes, financial incentives always help,
>> right? [laughter]
>> Okay, that's it. Thanks.
>> Thank you, Mr. Quinn. Any other
questions for Brandy? [clears throat]
>> Okay. Thank you so much for the update,
Brandy. We very much appreciate it,
>> Mr. Quinn. Do you want
» And as uh Supervisor Quinn is coming, I
think you all have a handout of at least
a portion of of what he's going to
present today that um just to to have in
front of you. I I don't think it's the
complete presentation, but it's most of
it.
>> Yeah, it it is the whole one actually.
So,
>> okay. So anyway, thank you for giving me
a couple minutes on the agenda today.
And uh you know, I think back to the
zoning ordinance and the post-mortem
that we did on that and I felt that we
didn't have a leader. We didn't have an
organization in place and we didn't have
clear roles and responsibilities. And
now that's water over the dam, but we're
facing a much bigger project, much
bigger risk, much more money at stake.
And we're going down the same path. and
we're about a year into the project and it's not at a point where you blame
anybody. It's a time where we can make a
midpoint correction and do some things
that'll really help us assure that the
project is going very well. And so there
are a couple things that I I it just
dawned on me, I guess, is all I can say.
I wish I had seen this before and I
didn't, but oh well. But I I begin I've
started seeing some things that that
aren't being worked on as quickly as or
as effectively as Bry's piece. So Bry's
piece is like the A+ of the effort right
now. And and but I'm seeing other pieces
that don't feel like we're getting after
them. And it could be well we don't have
a person to do the work or we don't have
the budget to do the work or or we're
not aware that we want to do the work.
But I I'll just give you a couple
examples. I think back to the
presentation that I did in January and I suggested that we look at this as an
educational ecosystem that includes our
schools but also the surrounding
schools. So, Patrick and Henry and
Western Virginia and Rono and and
looking at all of these as your um your
educational ecosystem and taking into
mind what you think you need to do given
the the capabilities that you already
have at these schools. And the example I bring up all the time is the welding
facilities at at Patrick and Henry. And
so, as you may recall from our tour,
it's a multi-million dollar complex. And
so, the question comes up, well, do we
need welding facilities? And and I don't
have an opinion on that today. I just
know it's something that needs to be
looked at. And upon further thinking, I
realized it's not black or white. It's
not yes, we have them or no, we don't. I
even thought of there could be
combinations and permutations. For
example, the first um room they have is
virtual welding. It's workstations in a
classroom where you become an excellent
virtual welder and you must become an
excellent virtual welder before you move
on to stick welding and then on to to
robotic welding. And so it occurred to
me, wow, one solution might be that you
only have virtual welding at RCTE
because it's pretty inexpensive and
you're getting into the big bucks when
you have the stick welding and the
robotic welding. And so the kids could
go in and they could learn virtual
welding and decide, is this really for
me? And if yes, well, they go on to
Patrick and Henry. So I I'm not
suggesting that that's the solution. And
I'm just bringing it up as as an uh to
help you understand the complexity in
some of these issues because that's just
one curriculum uh decision. The other
one I wanted to mention where again
where it doesn't seem like we're we're
getting after this as quickly as we
should when we talked to Dr. Hajes about
how they came up with a curriculum. He
said we interviewed every business
within 50 miles of the facility and we
asked them what they need and that
became the basis for their curriculum.
And so that's that's a well for me the
light bulb went on and I thought of
course that made sense. It was an
awesome way of thinking about your
curriculum and with the ven diagram I
put up. You remember I I foresaw
businesses being a huge driver of our of
curriculum here. And you recall his
degree is J O right he's totally focused
on on jobs and I even asked him with
that ven diagram about uh the the over
on the other side where the students
want it and the school can give it but
it's not what businesses need. I
wondered do you ever do any courses
there? And he said, "No, we don't do any
courses there. The community college can
do that." So, as I think about that, u I have anecdotal examples where u we
have the biggest IT services company in
the county that's in my area that's 10
miles away and they haven't been
interviewed by about their needs for the
CTE. And so, it's just an anecdotal
story, but it's a big company. It's
somebody that has a lot of a lot of
professional services need. And so it's giving me the sense that maybe we
don't have a methodical approach to
first do an inventory of all the
businesses and then do a priority of all
those businesses and then be have an a
system to interview them either in
person or or uh with a a paper survey.
And and so then I think about Bry's way
out in front and she's going to need
these feeds about what is it going to be
in this school. she's going to hit a
point where if she's hitting a wall and
she doesn't know the needs. And then the
last anecdotal story I'll tell you is I
just happened to run into somebody that
is from Western Virginia Community
College and and he is he is the person
that would be their point of contact for
this activity and he said nobody had
reached out to him and I I connected him
with Dr. seers and and that's great but
it makes me wonder how many more pieces
am I missing because I these are just
like happen stance in my travels that
I'm finding these so with that you could
put this up
[clears throat] so I really I just
intend to present this one slide but I
have backup and I'll explain how this
works so the biggest part of today is
I'm proposing that we should have a
project executive that's overseeing all
of the activities going on with the CT
and that that person should report into
Dr. Sears and Steve Sandy. And so this
gives you a feel for the the boxes of
activities and and I'm not wedded to
these boxes. There's no pride of
authorship in this. This is what I laid
out, but I would almost envision you put
a project executive in place and you
tell that person, what do you want? How do you see this organized? And and
it could very well be different than
this. Maybe they combine two boxes.
Maybe maybe I'm missing a box. Although
I've I've tested this on enough people
and nobody's had additions to this, but the I the idea is you can see the
breadth and scope of all the things that
have to be going on here and the
complexity and and there's there's huge
risks with this project and I I just
feel that without this person in place
that we're going to continue down the
path with various things like Bry's
piece is going very well, but what's
going on with the uh business community
and uh and that the outreach and so how
can I change the slides because I wanted
to go down to one more
oh maybe let me try this oh yeah here it
is okay so I just wanted to show you so
if I go back here this the second from
the left business and and community is one of the most complex because I
think I see it having a lot of of uh
school input and a lot of economic
development input
But you can see here, I I I wanted to
show I I wanted to show you that I have
some depth to these boxes. I actually
thought about what would go in each of
these boxes. And I can tell you for sure
this isn't complete. I've tested it on a
few people and and nobody's had other
input to it. So this is what we have
today. But I I would envision once you
get into this, you would be tweaking
some of these. But you can see, you
know, I have the, you know, that
inventory and engaging employees within
the 50-mi radius and the all this work
with the regional colleges, I think, is
really important. And the marketing for
the 1% sales tax referendum, the the
path we're going down now with that,
we're not going to get it. It's just a
shame. We're not going to It's not Dr.
Sears, it it's not a critique of him. He
doesn't have enough on there. We have
three town halls at the schools that
need HVAC programs and it's not enough.
You're not going to get people excited
to go to a town hall and they hear about
an HVAC system. And so there's there's
work there that needs to be done. But when I talk about needing a leader,
it's that project executive. When I talk
about an organization, it's that
executive managing those five boxes of
activities that go on. And when I talk
about roles and responsibilities, it's looking at each one of these points
and deciding, well, first, am I going to
do it or not? Or maybe I tweak the text,
but who's going to do it? Who who the
who's the person that's responsible for
this bullet? That that's what I mean by
clear roles and responsibilities at the
end of this. Every one of these has um
has a person. And I put I the Franklin
Center is down at the bottom. Not ne
it's not in order of importance. they
were part of my original slideshow. I I
see them as being an incredibly
important part of this and I'm not sure
how they fit in. This is where they fit
in to me, but maybe somebody says,
"Well, this should be a box all by
itself reporting into the project
executive." So, so that's why to me this
is kind of fluid, but it begins to lay
out um a leadership model, an
organization model, and and gives you
enough content so you can establish
roles and responsibilities to get the
work done. So, that was everything I
have.
>> Okay, Dan, that's great. Thank you so
much for all the work you've put into
this. I'm going to open the floor for
questions, comments, Mr. Carter.
>> Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Dan. That
was a good presentation. I just had a
couple comments. I was on the board at
Patrick Henry when we started that
complex and uh that virtual welding
training
piece of the puzzle. I think that's
perfect for the high school. I don't
know liabilitywise if they can advance
to a welding booth and all that. Um was one thing. I think an IT curriculum
for that school is going to be real
important for future future jobs. And
that 1% sales tax
if if we want that to pass we have got
to step up some marketing for that
because people are telling me they are
not going to vote for that.
>> Mhm. So, we need to I don't know what we
need to do, but we need to help the
school system market that to get that
through. And that's all I had.
>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Carter. Mr.
Jameson,
>> I agree with Mike. I want to have
welding virtual welding. I think that
would work great here for the uh county
and all this um
>> you said it would work great in the
county. I think so.
>> Yeah. I I had no idea, but it but it
made me realize it wasn't black or
white. It's here or not here. There
various combination and permutations
that could work
>> there. Again, you talk to the you talk
to Virginia Western, Patrick Henry, they
can give you some guidance on it. Give
the school or whoever and what they
think of it. Get their opinion of it.
>> The the project executive, what do you
see, Dan, as far as what kind of
experience do they need? I mean, what do
you
management? I understand. How about
construction? I mean, is this is this
just the um itinerary of what's going to
be taught or what you they would be in
charge of that or are you talking about
the construction also?
>> No, I I well it's I I think it's a very
senior executive. It's not a junior
person. Their man their management and
leadership skills would be huge. That
ability to manage a breath of functions.
Um here you you can see the diversity of
the functions. I feel like the
facilities and construction activity
that we have going on, especially with
the construction manager we put here.
This is excellent. This is I I have no
change. I mean, I talked about a couple
questions, but but this is perfect. And
so now you have a really strong person
here reporting into the project
executive. Yes, I I would think that
person needs some construction
experience. However, their leadership
and management capabilities across a a
wide and very diverse set of activities
is more important because you have this
area so well taken care of now.
>> So, but it's mainly curriculum they're
looking at, right? Is that what you're
thinking? That's
>> No, I got it wrong.
>> Uh, so, so let's go from the left. You
have operations and finance, right?
There's this is a box where where you're
looking after all of the finances for
this school. you need a whole separate
um ledger, if you will, wi with um a
revenue and income potentially where
you're managing this. I don't think that
we right now I don't think that we're
managing everything under the CTE as a
separate function and we the board of
supervisors should want that. We we
should want to know what is this costing
us? What have we spent? And so this
operation operation and finances is all
about uh that activity. the the I I
covered business and community, but the
program and education, the the
curriculum, the staffing, the program
development. I see a lot of that being
managed by Dr. Sears and uh and then uh
govern governance when you look at it's
best to just go down through and look at
each of the backup slides to see what's
in there to really understand. But the
other thing that occurred to me as I got
into this was I realized it's really not
our role to say Steve and Dr. Sears you
will have this person right I think it's
our role to tell them we need a leader a
clear leader and if if Dr. Ste Sears and
Steve said we can do that we don't need
this person okay but but my sense is
they don't have the bandwidth I I don't
think Dr. Sears has the bandwidth. I I
haven't heard from Steve, but I don't
think they have the bandwidth to be
overlooking of this whole project. But my sense was it's not our job to say
this is how the organization should be
set up, but it it is our job to say you
need a leader, you need an organization,
and you need clear roles and
responsibilities under that so everybody
knows what they're doing as we we build
this massive program.
>> Mr. Tatum.
>> Dan, thank you for this presentation. I
know you've put a lot of work and a lot
of thought into this. Um, the virtual
welding I think is outstanding uh
concept, outstanding idea and would be a
great addition to the pro to their uh
existing program, but I I also think
that they currently have a welding uh
booth setup that they're currently
using. They're at their current
location. Now, granted, it is small and
has its limitations. Um I I think that
you know the overall setting of of the
curriculum and everything that's that's
we can make recommendations but of
course we know the school they set that
and uh um you know I don't think that we
need to necessarily say well all you're
going to do all we're going to permit is
virtual activities at the high school
level. If you want to take stick
welding, you've got to go to
[clears throat] Patrick Henry uh when
they're already offering stick welding
and in in some capacity. I think we need
to look at what we currently offer and
we need to look and and we need to have
we need to sit down with our partners uh
on the school board and see what the
students are requesting
>> because we can all we can have the Taj
Mahal out there and if the students
don't want to take it, they're not going
to take it. Oh, [clears throat] you
know, we need to see where their
interest is and and like you said, uh
[clears throat] earlier, it doesn't do
us much good to train them for the skill
and then not be able to use it for a
job.
>> And [clears throat] and that is 100%
true. But on the other side, if they
don't have the interest in it, you can't
force them to take take the the class.
>> And so, we need to we need to find a
happy medium somewhere in there. And and
I think that's going to be all of us
sitting down,
putting our heads together, and working
with the school board with uh and like I
said, I love the idea of having the
project executive, someone as a overseer
of the whole whole program because that
to me takes a whole lot of pressure off
of Mr. Sandy and and Dr. seers because
uh they they have a pretty big uh duty
as theirself running the county and
running the school system and uh
I just applaud what you've put together
here, but I think we need to make sure
that we take a look at what we have.
>> We [clears throat] need to take in
consideration the
uh interest of the students and you know
we it may be as simple doing a poll of
the students. Hey, what would you what
would you be like to see offered? Uh you
we might be surprised [laughter] and it
may you know you you know I think that's
where we need to start because that's
who we're building this for
>> is our students and uh because I'm not
taking any classes there. Uh, I already
know how to stick weld and and not real
good, but I I can put two pieces of
metal together. [clears throat] But, uh,
you know, we need to we need to you make
sure that we keep our students involved
in this, too. Uh, because that's who
we're building it for. But, thank you
again. You put a lot of hard work into
this and I know you put a lot of thought
into it.
>> A couple points just um for
clarification. So, I was using the
welding as just an example. It wasn't I
wasn't saying we should have a virtual
facility or not. I was just trying to
point out wow you look at one this is
one thing welding right and and it's not
as easy as black or white yes or no you
all of a sudden as as you start
dissecting it you realize wow it could
be we do virtual welding here and we
don't do stick and robotic. It could be
I I don't have a recommendation there.
So I just want to be clear that's not my
I'm not making a recommendation. I'm not
smart enough to make a recommendation in
that area. I just as I thought about it,
I I was able to uh do that. The other
thing uh that I think about. So, I think
it's fine to interview the students, but
they don't know what they don't know.
You know, I think I I came out of school
and they were history majors and and
they're bummed out that they don't have
a job. And I hope nobody here is a
history major, but but they didn't know
going into this that's not going to give
you a job, right? And there in that vin
diagram I put together where you're
looking at what the businesses need. If
a business comes out and they say, "Hey,
look, I'll pay you $100,000 if you do
this." Well, suddenly you're going to
have a lot of students interested in
doing that, right? They didn't they
didn't even know about that. A lot of
the stuff in that over on the business
side is they don't know what they don't
know. And so they're only if you if you
do the survey, they're only going to
answer
from their small little sphere. And
that's why I think it's so important to
have the businesses and it's very
unclear to me so far how that's going to
be done. Is it the school? Is it
economic development? Is it on the two
as a partnership? But but I would just
propose it's it's huge. We have to have
the business development. If you talk to
Dr. Hodgeges, he he couldn't even do
this without the business development or
the the business.
>> Yeah, I I completely agree. In fact, I
recall some numbers that was given to
this board, and I want to say it was in
2017 or 2018 that there was a study
done, and there were over 10,000
job openings within a 60-mi radius of
here for machinists.
>> And those are good paying jobs.
>> Yep.
>> And it's a big demand.
>> I know. And it makes the other kind of
crossover I'll talk about just is
summit. So you have people that are
looking to bring their business in here
and they want to know do you have
workers? In a lot of case we don't have
the workers. We don't have the
workforce. They want to they're looking
for an educated skilled workforce that
they can drop into this. And and you
think about what Patrick and Henry uh
community college was doing. They have
rooms set up where where the company can
put in their equipment and be trained on
their equipment. And so so yes, they
might not be trained today, but they can
be trained by the time you open up your
factory. And so I think it it would make
some of you in other areas in the county
much more attractive if we start
building that base of skills. We have a
really competent workforce because we
don't now. They come out of high school
and and they they're not ready to do
anything. It's unfortunate. It's not and
it's not a criticism of the high school.
That's just how high schools are, right?
They don't give you that degree J O.
>> Yeah.
>> Mr. Mitchell.
Um, I think the biggest takeaway from
this and what Dan pointed out is
[clears throat]
when you break it down into these
sections, we want hard clad.
We want to know who is going to be
responsible for delivering this section
and we we want to be able to go to that
person and we want to be able to see it
happening. Um, I would be cur and and
he's also right in saying that it's not
our place to set that up. staff's place,
but it is our place to say, well, you
know, along the way, we want to see
this. We want to see how this is
progressing. We want a we want you to
take these five pieces and we want
updates on them. I would be curious for
staff to take this
cross reference with the school system
and write in on these things. Who do you
see doing this? Who do you see hand in
the the way you're visioning it now? Who
do you see handling this? Who do
[clears throat] you see handling this?
Who do you think you're going to need?
And you know, at the at the end of the
day, you're going to run into this wall
of the schools. They're going to have
this curriculum. I'm sure it's set by
the state and stuff and things that have
to go into the CTE. We can't we can't
decide that for ourselves, but that'd be
good information, too. So, you know, you
go to the pieces of say, "Okay, so
program education, that's the school
system side. Who do they see?" And, you
know, [clears throat] and go down
through there and show us that who they
plan on delivering it. And [snorts] if
they're thinking we need if we need to
work this project executive into it, we
need to we need to decide that because I
can also see where you're looking down
the line and we get five years down the
road and like we we missed this. We
didn't we didn't pay any attention to
this at all. And maybe if we'd have had
if we had somebody's name written right
here, we'd say, "Oh, we missed this
part. Let's go find this guy and ask him
what why didn't you do this?"
>> That's exactly what's going to happen,
Nick. down the road there's a piece
missing. We didn't do this.
>> I can and why didn't we do it? And then
you're blaming somebody. Right now you
have a chance midcourse set it up like
you said who's doing all these pieces.
It'd be very interesting to look at.
>> So I I would like to see staff, you
know, and take the and make the changes
you think. I I mean Dan's is just a
template. Take it and go with the school
systems and and see see how y'all vision
these things working out.
>> So thank you. Is that all Mr. Mitchell?
>> Yes, ma'am.
>> Um Mr. Mr. Quinn, again, thank you for
this. Um, I have done, um, two major
middle school renovation projects in my
career, and I think what you've laid out
is precisely, um, the mapping of
ensuring that we will have a quality,
wellexecuted
project. Um, this is a generational
project for our citizens, businesses,
and especially our students. Um, and I I
really do think, you know, I've always
been a big proponent of a construction
project manager. This project, as I have
reviewed it, and when you shared your
slides with me and so forth, this
project is is reaching beyond the more
thought I've given it, beyond the, you
know, the typical um construction
manager approach. They're certainly
inshed in this. Uh but with regard to
things like curriculum, the schools are
going to have to be at the table without
question with Mr. Bumgardner in, you
know, looking at what we're doing
curriculum wise. Uh but to me, in
developing the programmatic phase of
this project, it's going to have to be
that we're doing that 50 mile um you
know, circumference of business
interviews. it's going to have to be
that we are trying to caucus our
families and students at the high school
level. Um, and looking um, you know,
looking beyond what we're currently
doing, what what with what we're doing,
what's working, where the waiting list,
etc. But I also think a big piece of
this because we've we've talked about
this school and this project being so
generationally driven. Um, I think that
we've got to make sure we're we're doing
this project with vision in mind. Um and
that is going to come in large part I
think from seeing what the businesses in
today's world are demanding and
expecting out of their employees. um
from the inception of this discussion,
you know, gosh, a long time ago, uh we
talked about this business modeling
approach, you know, to bring if a
business wants to partner, you know,
with Franklin County that we could set
them up, um and we could bring students
in on a mentoring basis and then maybe
somewhere along the way we could ensure
that student or that company could say
if you train and you get, you know, you
get your certification, we want you, you
know, it it's more intentional, right?
So, um I think I am in support of the
project executive position. One question
I do have is how do you see because I
I'm I'm thinking are you vision
envisioning this as a contractual
position or full-time employee?
>> I I believe it's a full-time role.
>> And what do they do after this? Well,
that so that part I'm not sure about
because when I think about the person
that I need to manage the this whole
project as it is today, that's that's
one person. But then I see, okay, now
the school's built, right? We this Bry's
box is is facilities management. It's a
Bry's box goes from a massive
undertaking to a tiny piece. And so I
see that that person could change over
time. Or maybe maybe Steve and Dr. Sears
decide they don't need that person. I
still think you'll need that person
going forward, but I do see I do see the
roles and responsibilities for that
person changing and so we'd have to see
if the person you put in there in the
beginning was able to transition to this
new role or not. I I can't predict that.
>> Well, I've seen some localities that
have a pro a CIP, you know, project
leader, if you will. um you know
certainly involved at the project
construction and development level but
that person continuing in an oversight
role all the while I mean if if we get
this 1% we'll be able to you know
consecutively work on school projects
that are going to require you know what
we feel is an accountable and efficient
measure. Brandy is excellent. We're so
blessed to have you. [clears throat] Um
and Steve has a full plate. Um, and I
think my message is is we want to make
sure that the burden on our staff is not
so great. Um, that, you know, we're all
human. Um, and I think that this board's
got a responsibility to make sure that
the money um that we uh extend on this
project um is money that's efficiently
uh scoped out and that it's producing
the results um that we expect it to be.
with those expectations being out, you
know, put out in the front commencement
of the project. So, um I I like this
very much. Um I I do think just this is
very preliminary thinking and I don't
mean to be redundant, but I do think
that this position could take some
roles. I mean, when I think about what's
going on at the landfill, you know, when
I think about, you know, the capital
improvement projects that will be going
on in public safety, when we think
about, you know, more uh infrastructure
type projects at Summit View, um our
park system and so forth, I think that
there are roles um that could be
redefined perhaps um and utilized um
under the you know the opaces of capital
improvement planning. So that's kind of
me just kind of taking a first blush
look at that that question that I asked
you. Um but uh
>> and and I agree I agree with that. Just
going back for a second like how do you
see this project executive evolving? One
thing I would say is I see that person
always being needed because you have the
school and the county and lots of stuff
going on in two places and how do you
make how do you have somebody at the top
that's overseeing what's going on?
>> Yeah. and the curriculum piece, you
know, the schools and, you know, should
have a large, you know, play a large
role in curriculum. This is what they
do. Um, and then you've got your SOQs,
um, that have, you know, defined,
[clears throat]
um, expectations and eligibilities for
CTE programs for the students in the
Commonwealth. So, but there's also those
other avenues that we're discussing
which you know that to me the curriculum
piece the program and education piece
you articulate to me that really becomes
a a very collaborative discussion with
the school system with Curtis with doing
all of those exercises internally within
the school division to assess where
they've been where they are um you know
the solicitation of of surveys and what
have you um so I I think you know we
went into this project saying you know
the board of supervisors is going to
manage this project when I think this
board has been very intentional about
that. Um and the schools are our partner
in this without question. And I think
the schools are going to be able to
integrate uh and complement the work um
from a curriculum standpoint and for
identification of need and to help um
put that that wide net out um you know
to work with the county and economic
development office and with Brandy to
make you know to ascertain all of those
more detailed questions. But in a in a
model that's set up like this, um, to
me, it gives me confidence that we'll
get the overview and we'll be able to
see what's balancing and what's not
balancing, you know, and we'll have an
accountability piece built in through
that project executive. Um, so I like
this and I appreciate your time in
putting this together.
>> Yeah. And the curriculum piece, it's
incredibly complicated, I think. Um,
it's where that's where where a lot of
decisions have to be made and
>> and you know I I think back to my my
discussions with Dr. Hodgeges and
>> and and the comment about we need to
pull the students. He said you know
every year they come to me and they say
they want dental hygienists. They want a
dental hygienist program. And he said
we've surveyed the whole area and we
only need three. Yeah.
>> And so we need 12 people. We need a
demand of 12 dental hygienists before we
will offer a course. Now, maybe our
rigor isn't exactly what Dr. Hajes does,
but you can still think about it and
say, "Wow, do I really want to offer a
dental hygienist program if we only need
three? Where are the other nine people
going to go?" You know, or you're are
you really going to teach a program for
three? And and also I the other comment
I I'm a huge fan of focusing on the
business needs with the student demands
almost being secondary and and maybe it
can't be as strong as that. Maybe you
have to build some of those student
needs in but but to the extent you're
doing that they're coming out of the
program without a job. Are they okay
with that? You know that and and but
that whole the whole curriculum it's
really in two boxes here. And maybe one box ends up being all about
curriculum. I'm not really sure. That's
why I said these five boxes are in my
mind they're kind of fluid. They're not
fixed, but that that guy at the top or
woman at the top is the one that would
>> Yeah. I mean, we've got to be responsive
to the needs of Franklin County and
surrounding areas in terms of that net,
you know, going out over the business
communities. Um, and we know things here
in our county that we do well. and you
know and I can see that maybe this new
CTE uh center and the associated
[clears throat] curriculum could be on a
continuum with Patrick and Henry um that
you know that there is clear
communication and deliberate and
intentional planning curriculum to build
to the secondary level. So, I think I
think the sky's is the limit in terms of
what we can do, but I don't think and my position is we we need as much
information, guidance, and oversight as
we can get. Um, and we'll have an
outstanding generational project as an
outcome.
>> Good.
>> Anybody else have anything? Mr. Carter,
I
>> I don't disagree with a lot of what's
been said here, but and and I think
maybe a project executive might be a
good thing for this, but I personally
don't see us creating a full-time
another growing government, highpaying
county [clears throat] position when
we've got Brandy, uh the school systems
got Curtis and Mr. law. I think a
project executive might be good to get
us through this, but
>> I don't see that myself as a long-term
>> position.
>> Okay. I think that's a great point. Um,
that's why I started out by asking if it
was your opinion that it be
contractually driven or on a full-time
employee basis. And, you know, I think
that there are variables within that decision alone that need to be
explored. um you know, just so we get
the outcomes we're looking for.
>> And I'm not trying to crush it. I just
think
>> No, you're fine.
>> We're [clears throat] growing government
here and I don't much like that.
>> So, would you be in favor of a
contractual
>> position at this level?
>> Probably.
>> I mean, we're just conjecture today.
We're just in conjecture. Uh and
>> I for me, it'd be easy to make that
decision once I see Steve's thoughts on
going through and seeing what they come
back and say.
>> Absolutely. Yeah. just there's another
burden for you to carry. [laughter]
>> Um do you have anything to say, Mr.
Sandy?
>> Well, I I have a lot of thoughts. I
mean, I think um you know, we we had
talked briefly and I think he's hit
a lot of those highlights and a lot of
the pillars of what we need to consider
through the CTE project. I think I I
appreciate um Mr. Mitchell's comments. I
think let us let us take this and kind
of work through it because I think what
you'll find is we're already doing a
number of these things,
>> okay,
>> that maybe you you just aren't aware of
that are happening. And so I think but I
think what we will find is through this
process, we'll find some of those pieces
and nuggets that, you know, either we
didn't think of or we're not spending
enough attention on. But, you know, we could come back like I could have
Danny and probably don't want to do it
today, but I could have her come up and
speak to all the partnerships that are
currently in place and how the high
school is already working with the
community college on certain programs.
And so, a lot of those things are, you
know, already in place. So, I don't want
it to sound like uh, you know, this work
session to sound like none of this is
being considered or is being, you know,
planned because that's certainly not the
case here. And so I think great advice
to take this kind of put put the names
to and the folks who would be working on
these types of things and these type of
activities and kind of be able to report
back to you guys kind of with some
additional thoughts of of areas we need
to spend more attention on and areas
that maybe weren't considered and then I
think that can lead us to hey we do need
some help here or the school needs help
over here for this particular aspect of
>> so I think yeah I a lot of great ideas
and and we probably talked an hour and a
half when when we first looked at it um
you know with just kind of thinking
through all the different things and
I'll just reiterate it's a a very
complex project and and this is only the
CTE part so I don't want us to also lose
focus of the rest of the building
>> exactly
>> that that we're also working on and and
developing and so there's going to be
things that we have to decide
>> in particular with the CTE is this the
school's facility
is it owned by the county and the
schools are leasing it. Is it a
community college? Is it shared with the
community college? I mean, all those
kind of things will have to be part of
that discussion when it comes to the
school system project. You know,
typically those CTE centers, it's a
school project and it's a school
facility. This is a little different
just because of the the makeup of the
property and the building, you know, and
when we start talking about having
spaces for economic development and for
businesses, that changes that, you know,
changes that structure a little bit and
it makes it a little more challenging
when you have those different
relationships. And so all those things I
think we can work through, but those are
the the things that we'll have to
consider. And that's where these folks
are already working on a number of those concepts and and parts
of the
>> if you and staff could work on that
>> um and um I think and then draw a
comparative model from what you're going
to provide that we already are doing or
[clears throat] have scoped out and
overlay that with uh Dan's um uh you
know his his u chart here and and his
vision for this and see where potential
gaps are.
>> Um, one thing, um, we in government have
a really good knack at doing things at a
snail's pace
>> and, um, I'm feeling a little bit of a
sense of urgency um, to get this project
moving and um, there are things that
could be done now um, that's more on the
research oriented side um, you know,
without coming to some definite hard
conclusions. Um, but we've got to figure
out the things that we can start pulling
the trigger on while we're making these
decisions because, you know, I'm not
interested in waiting three or four
years, um, you know, for this project to
be built. Um, I think we've got to get
on it and we've got to be efficient
about it and we've got to be very
intentional about it. Do you agree with
that, Mr. Quinn?
>> 100%. Okay.
>> 100%. Because I see I see Brandy getting
to a point where all of a sudden she
needs this.
>> Yeah. Exactly.
>> Well, who's working on Well, nobody's
working on that, so we'll start it
today. Well, now it takes three months
to do whatever that is.
>> And Bry's got a job. She does a lot of
other things, right?
>> And she's grinning at me. I know she's
like going, "Yes, somebody said that."
[laughter] But, uh, so Dan, thank you.
>> Yeah. So, Steve, in addition to doing
Nick articulated that piece really well.
Could you come back and tell us the
leadership model that you see for this?
Like, do you agree it's a project
executive or not? You have another
alternative. and and that that that if you did agree, what would a job
description look like for that person in
your ideal world?
>> Sure.
>> Okay. Thanks.
>> All right. Thank you so much, Dan. We
appreciate it. Um, any other questions
or comments before we move on?
>> I think the biggest I I'm probably just
repeating myself, but I just want to say
it again. The biggest takeaway from this
is set deliverables.
>> Yes.
>> For each section. Yes.
>> And what person is responsible for
those.
>> That's right. I think that's the biggest
takeaway from this
>> and they make it measurable and we can
track progress
>> and we want to know how it h how they
came to it and who did it.
>> Correct. Agreed upon. I think the board
um you all are in agreement with that.
Mr. Carter.
>> Yes.
>> Okay. Very good. All right. We're going
to move on. Uh the next item on our
agenda, Mr. Sandy, did that conclude
your remarks first? I may have cut you
off.
>> No.
>> You you Okay. Okay. Uh the next item on
our agenda, um we've got Lisa Cooper
coming up. Um and we're going to uh I
know Mr. Evans is here, the chair of the
planning commission. Welcome, uh Mr.
Evans to the meeting. Um and we're going
to have I believe an overview or an
update on the zoning rewrite.
>> Yep. Let me I'll I'll maybe frame just
some reference. So, the first thing we
did want to just touch on is um just I
think maybe the shorter conversation is
um the planning commission did a 2232
review, a comprehensive plan review of a
cell tower recently and just under state
code and and Mr. Mr. Da can jump in if I
misspeak at all, but under state code,
the planning commission decision whether
it's in conformance with the plan stands
and moves forward unless the board uh
decides they want to hold their own
public hearing and and review the
request. And so I think Mr. Dak, I think
it's a 30-day that the board kind of has
to decide if they want to take it up or
not. um you know and so since they just
took the action uh what last week Lisa
we just wanted to bring it to the board
for the board's attention and possible
direction on moving forward
>> no statuto deadline absent an appeal
there's an appeal you have 60 days to
make a decision on it with no appeal
there's certainly no deadline but you
should act if not at this work session
at the next public meeting at the latest
would I recommend that y'all
>> yeah you want to take it [clears throat]
up
>> and so really the only action would be
is if the board wants to do their own
public hearing directing staff to
schedule [clears throat]
a public hearing for that substantial
conformance review.
>> So, are the materials um Steve that
we've seen thus far um is there more
material that needs to be reviewed at
the board level?
>> If if you decided to move forward with
public hearing, there is some more
materials. We tried to give you enough
to give you an idea of of kind of what's
being requested. So, um, Lisa can maybe
speak a little bit more to the site, but
basically, um, it's in the Henry area,
the county, Blige District, non-zoned
area, uh, company is looking to build a
new cellular tower. Um, and because of
that, it falls under the comp plan
conformance review um, process. And so,
Lisa, do you have some slides on this
one or just want to speak to a couple of
the details of the project?
>> It's probably still on here. Maybe if um
I can just speak. The planning
commission did hold their public hearing
on August 11th um for a new tower that
um it's uh vertical bridge and Celco
partnership with Verizon Wireless. And
it's off of Henry Road. It's Cherry
Lane. It's a private road. It's about
21.259
acres. Um it'll be about 100 by 100
least area. The tower will be 190 foot
in height with 4ft lightning rod. Um
it's not high enough to have to have any
lighting on the top. Um your planning
commission did uh come to the conclusion
that it was consistent with your
comprehensive plan policies, goals,
objectives, and strategies that it would
not be detrimental to the adjacent or
surrounding area. it was still in
character with the future land use of
the community and that such use would be
in harmony with the purpose and the
intent of your comprehensive plan and
the community's public health safety and
general welfare. I will tell you this
lot is very wooded. Uh when the planning
commission did the site visit, they
basically went on the private road
really couldn't go any further because
it is it is so wooded. And of course,
the company will only cut down the trees
that they need to get to the least area,
which was shown in your packet on um I
think it was number 17. Um I would
[clears throat] be glad to answer any
questions. I know I was out of the
office that day and one of the staff
members was trying to get a hold of me
with a Verizon cell phone and it
wouldn't go through.
>> [laughter]
>> Um, so we did have um a couple of um one
or two people that lived in the area
against um they didn't think that they
needed a cell tower. Um they really did
not want it. They had concerns from the
health of it to just being there. Um
there was one gentleman that spoke in
favor of it. his mother lived close well
in this area and all she has is a cell
phone and he's concerned when he's at
work that if something happens to her
she wouldn't be able to get anybody
there. So you kind of had both sides um
of people talking. So um but the
planning commission did um decide a 6
vote. There was one uh planning
commission member absent.
>> Okay. All right. Um, does that conclude
your remarks, Lisa?
>> Uh, yes, ma'am.
>> Okay. So, what I'd like to do, yes, open
up the day, Mr. Tatum.
>> Okay. I guess my question in in that
area, there's a cell phone tower on
Brown Hill, which is the the mountain.
>> Then you have the tower there at the
Henry Fire Department, which is 195 ft
tower that currently has nothing on it.
>> And then this tower is going to be less
than a mile from that tower.
Do we need that many towers within such
a short span? And could the cell to
could the tower there at the Henry Fire
Department be utilized instead of
building a new tower?
>> I I do have a map that was um a couple
of maps that were supplied to me by the
cell
and um basically when I asked them the
question of why they were not
colllocating on the one at the rescue or
at the Henry firehouse was um this is
the explanation they gave me. the one
that you're talking about that's north
of the Henry um tower that is owned by
T-Mobile now and Verizon is already on
it for them to locate on the tower at
the firehouse would not give them the
coverage that they needed. So, they
wanted a new tower at the location that
they're posed that they could get more
individuals
um because of the two towers of being on
the one on Brown, then if they had a
tower a distance away from that one,
then they could get more coverage. And
that was the explanation that I got. And
that was the one that that was given at
the public hearing
>> even though it's just a a mile rough.
>> Yes. And I guess that's up to the board
of supervisors. If you would like us to
dig into it more deeply with the
company, if you want to hold a public
hearing, then you could do it is your
right to do the 15.2232
review. You don't have to accept um
planning commission's recommendation,
but I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. um
if this is in conformance with the comp
plan um under state law that it should
be approved if there's alignment. Would
that be a accurate statement?
>> Yes. I mean it should be approved but if
I will say this even though it staff
supported it that was it in compliance
and so did the planning commission. If
there are concerns of the board of
supervisors I don't think it would hurt
um if there was some questions that you
wanted answered.
>> Okay. or I guess we have a little bit of
time that we might be able to get
answers without you having a public
hearing.
>> Yeah, I was going to suggest perhaps if
there were specific questions, we could
have them maybe provide some more
information before the board's next
meeting and then the board could decide
at that point whether to move forward
with the public hearing or let it ride.
>> So, Mr. Tatum, I want to make sure that
um your questions have been
>> Yeah, she's she's answering my
questions. I'm I'm I'm not sure that I'm
satisfied with the answer, but I would
like more information if you could get
it,
>> Mr. Carter.
>> Yeah. Thank you, Lisa. I was at the
planning hearing and there was some
discussion about [clears throat] an
emergency module on the tower and I
didn't exactly understand what all they
were talking about. Uh the new tower,
they've got spaces for, I don't know,
three or four modules and then if
there's room, they'll let us put an
emergency thing. But it was sort of like
they didn't guarantee that. It was like
if there was space, they would. And and
for me personally, since we don't have
that on the Henry Tower,
I would like for them to agree to give
us space for an emergency whatever it
is. Well, we what they what we usually
or what we have done in the past is we
have always asked to have space on any
tower for emergency services and they
hadn't planned for that. They had just
planned for other sale companies to be
on there. So, what we did after the
meeting is I got with Mr. Sandy and fire
and em EMS to see if they wanted to
colllocate on this tower and they didn't
feel that there was any need for them to
colllocate on it. So that issue
I won't say has died but it it doesn't
seem like the public safety wants to be
on the tower that we're talking about
today.
>> So they don't need it.
>> Well, I can I can expand. They're on the
ground tower already. So okay,
>> which is the one Mr. Tatum was referring
to. So it's it's too close to need
another tower basically.
>> I I didn't understand that exactly, but
I didn't want to build a new tower and
then us not having an emergency.
>> Yeah. So we're comfortable that the fact
that we have space on that tower and
then as Mr. Tatum mentioned if for some
reason that other tower went away, there
is the tower at Henry that I think would be our kind of our fallback option
if we if we needed a location in the
Henry area. But right now we have those
facilities on the Brown Hill Tower and
we're satisfied with those.
>> So any other questions? Mr. Mr.
>> Y'all say this is Verizon want to do
this one?
>> Um it is Verizon I guess will be the top
one and it the company that would be um
building it is my understanding would be
that vertical bridge and um Celco
uh partnership. So this is a
tower builder, tower speculator, and and
they're so [clears throat] they would be
the ones building the tower. I think Mr.
Quinn maybe even mentioned it at the
last meeting that Verizon is kind of
getting away from building their own
towers. So this group would build the
tower for Verizon u in this location.
>> Is this group comprised of any
individuals we worked with in the past?
>> I don't I didn't re the two gentlemen
that I worked with and staff worked
with. I had never seen them before.
>> Verizon's been supposed to come to Snow
Creek for the last three August.
So, I'm glad they're coming here.
[laughter]
>> You know what I mean? I do.
>> I I don't have a problem with this at
all.
>> If it if it's going to expand service,
people in Snow Creek would love to have
>> Yes, I understand
>> this coming to them. And I'm not
dabbling in a 2232 conformance review.
I've done learned my lesson on it. Last
time I fussed that the planning
commission didn't take the action they
were supposed to, they did it this time.
and I have no interest in a public
hearing on this.
>> Okay. Um before I solicit um for you
know that level of feedback, Mr.
Jameson, did you have something?
>> Verizon Eric Callaway about I don't know
six months ago we we went to with
Verizon. Great about two months. It
ain't worth the crap now. We got no
coverage at all. Drop loans. You you
call in call me. We'll be sitting there
talking and all it just got away.
And I don't know that this is going to
give us any coverage and all in Callaway
area, but uh like I said, we it's very
disappointing with Verizon in that area
now. And everybody's having the same
problem in that area.
>> We had a tough time having a
conversation what was it yesterday or
day before yesterday?
>> Yes, ma'am. It dropped twice, three
times.
>> Yeah. Yeah.
>> You know, within probably two
[clears throat] minutes.
>> Yeah. So, um are there any other
comments on this before we get to the
question? Okay. So the question before
us um today unless Steve Lisa if you
have any uh closing remarks on this
matter before we kind of give an opinion
on whether we want to engage in a public
hearing.
>> Um I I do not just if if you decide if
you don't want to decide today if you
want a public hearing but you want
additional information just right I I
would like it to be somewhat specific so
that I could go back to the company.
>> That's fair. Okay. So, what is uh your
desire? Um, let's just kind of poll. Mr.
Jameson, would you like to get
additional information or do you want a
public hearing or I don't think it's
going to affect us there any more than
it is now right now. But, uh, you don't
think I'd ask that we get it in Callaway
and build one in Callaway further to do
in Snow Creek. [laughter]
>> So, you got to answer my question still.
>> I'm I'm Go ahead and do it. Then he's
there. Good.
>> So, you're
>> I'm pulling.
>> All right. So, you don't want the board
to conduct a public hearing?
>> No.
>> And Okay.
>> Good with that.
>> And so, you're willing I just want to
reaffirm that the planning commission's
recommendation stands good with you.
>> Yes, ma'am.
>> Okay. Mr. Tatum,
>> I'm not going to hold it up. There are
people in that area in the the lower
part of this map that will benefit from
this tower. And those people have been
living there for my whole life. and they
probably have never had cell phone
service in their life. I'm not going to
hold up the project. Let it let it move
forward.
>> Well, Mr. Tatum, what I would um suggest
um is we'll see where we are, but
there's nothing to keep you from, you
know, giving Mr. Sandy some questions
and Lisa um some inquiries just to get
your questions answered.
>> Yeah. And and I I will do that. I would
like to find out, you know, what is the
status of of the tower at the Henry Fire
Department since Scient I don't think is
no longer in existence and they were the
only ones on that tower.
>> Um,
>> you know, right now I've got a 195 ft
tower sitting in right there in the
parking lot at the Henry Fire
Department,
>> right?
>> And it's not serving a purpose other
than eyesore.
>> Mr. Carter,
>> I'm good with moving forward
>> with no public hearing.
>> Yes, ma'am.
>> Mr. Mitchell,
>> good.
>> Mr. Quinn,
>> agree.
>> And I am in agreement as well. Um so the
conclusion is that the board um supports
um the planning commission's rendering
and it is our desire to not have a
public hearing at our level and we are
going to leave it that if individual
supervisors you know have additional
questions Lisa um hopefully u between
you and and Steve that they can get
their questions answered in the interim.
Does that give you what you need?
>> I think it does. Are you sure?
>> I think so. I just want to make sure. Do
you want me to dive in why they're
building a new tower or not?
» I would appreciate an answer.
>> Okay.
>> I mean, it doesn't have to be anything
formal. Just
>> Do you want to Do you want to hold up
this cons?
>> No, don't hold it up.
>> Are you sure?
>> Yeah. Move M move forward. But I would
like to know why why it's more feasible
for them to build a new tower than it is
to go on an existing one that's within a
mile of where they're going to build.
>> I think that's a reasonable question.
>> Okay. Well,
>> I'm not answering for them and Victor,
he may remember, but there was something
about the elevations. It is why that
>> Mr. Evans, if you'd like to comment,
you're more than welcome to.
>> Something that I didn't say that would
be great.
Madame Chair and County Supervisors, um
that was a concern. The topography of
the area is a problem and to truly get
the coverage as Mr. Cooper had
mentioned, you have to have it a little
bit farther out than the proximity to
Brown Hill tower is too close to make it
worthwhile. So having it further out,
then you get the extension because they
only go about so many miles with line of
sight. So topography was the big issue
as to why it wasn't effective to use the
one at the station.
>> Okay, that answers my question.
>> Thank you very much. Okay, so Lisa, are
you clear or do if you have any
questions for us or need clarification?
Um they have actually the company has um
asked me today if I had heard anything
because they're they're waiting and so I
can send them an email asking for some
more information that maybe we can put
in a Friday packet
>> or something like that.
>> Okay. So you're next up with um Mr.
Sandy maybe opening remarks on the
zoning ordinance review.
>> Yes. Yeah. I'll I'll open with a few
comments and you kind of already met Mr.
Um, Mr. Chair of the Planning
Commission, uh, Victor Evans. And so, we wanted to have an opportunity to to
provide an update. So, just quick
historical recap. Of course, uh, in this
room, I believe it was May 17th, we had
a joint work session with the planning
commission to really look at the first
draft of the zoning ordinance. Um, that
was prepared by our consultant, the
Berkeley Group. Uh at that time the the
planning commission had requested that
they be allowed to basically take that
draft back and work on it um some more.
They weren't comfortable with where it
was in that current um draft form. And
the board's direction was to them was
yes, go ahead and do that. Take as much
time as you need. Um you know, when
you're ready, bring it back. And so
since that time, the planning commission
has uh been working through what that
process would look like and how they
would kind of attack that um that
revisiting the the document, so to
speak. I think in the meantime, they had
uh two members come off and had two new
members come on and so it's been two or
three months that they've kind of talked
through this and worked through a
possible schedule for uh reviewing and updating the ordinance. And so
thought it was a a good opportunity and
they were at a good point um that they
had come up with some ideas for them to
come and present um kind of what they've
discussed and and kind of where they are
at the moment. Um I think the plan I
think the intention is that that plan
can be flexible as they move through it.
But they wanted to set up a template to follow for uh updating the plan or uh
updating the ordinance. Um, I think one
of a probably after uh Victor presents,
I think one of the key things that he
and I both would would really love to
see some interaction from the board is
what does the update process look like
with the board? What is the level of
engagement the board would like to have?
Does that look like regular updates from the chair in a in a um in a work
session like this? Is it joint work
sessions on a quarterly basis between
the planning commission and board? What
is the expectation and what is the level
of kind of interaction um that the board
would like to have along the way during
this process? I know there was concerns
mentioned previously about not being
updated during the two years that we
worked on the the with the consultant.
And so we definitely want to make sure
that you guys feel like you're you're part of the effort. you're
understanding where it is in the process
if that's where you want to be. And so I
think some that's some direction that I
think Victor um is is here today to kind
of seeking how that would fit into the
schedule and maybe how that would modify
or adjust the schedule depending on what
that looks like. So with that, I'm happy
to turn it over to to Victor to kind of
outline what their discussions have
been. and um there's kind of a schedule
that had been floated around of of some
things that he had worked through with the planning commission. So,
unfortunately, Mr. Jefferson, I think,
is out of town, the vice chair, uh I
think he probably would have come with
you and um and and helped you with the
presentation, but thank you for coming.
We appreciate you being here today.
>> Thank you so much.
>> The floor is yours, sir.
>> Okay.
Thank you, Madam Chair and county
supervisors. I am the new chair for the
planning commission. So, I'm now on my
second month. But since there was a a
joint decision that what was being
proposed for a zoning ordinance didn't
really meet the the quality or the
standards of of what we wanted to be as
a zoning ordinance. And um we took on
that task as you requested for us to
complete a review of the proposed zoning
ordinance. What you have before you is
uh what we've determined is our current
work schedule [laughter] and calendar of
um we started on the end of June where
we were trying to develop both action
plan and then what that schedule should
be so that um and then to present this
to you so you're aware of how we want to
go about doing what you asked us to do.
The way to read that is we do have
things in in something of a sequential
order from articles one through article
9 in that we want to make sure as we're
tackling this and I'll tell you a little
bit about how that's going. As we're
tackling the review, we're creating
we're ensuring we understand what solid
foundation needs to exist and use those
as building blocks as we go through the
rest of the articles to see that the
fundamentals
are we adhere to the fundamentals
throughout the whole zoning ordinance.
What will happen is with every section
that we're going to look at, staff will
be presenting to us pointing out three
things. First of all, we want to know
what it is that staff who has to work
with the zoning ordinance on a routine
basis to see to it that they have
consistent guidance and decision- making
with the citizens.
Why is it what is it that you really
wanted in a zoning ordinance? We want to
know what is it that staff wanted.
Second thing, what is it that has to be
in a zoning ordinance to be in
compliance with code of Virginia? The
third thing is what is it that was
carried over from the existing zoning
ordinance so that we know this is not
new. This is what we've been working
with.
That leads us to the fourth item or
component of the zoning ordinance and
that is
what was proposed as best practices.
Whether they're really good practice
worthy of being in Franklin County, we
don't know yet. But so we'll know what
it is that staff really wanted, what's
required by code of Virginia, what's
carried over from the current zone uh
zoning ordinance, and then what are best
practice suggestions.
In each one of those occasions, the
planning commission will make decision
as to whether we like what's being
presented as written, whether it needs
to be rewarded to be more appropriate or
whether should be deleted,
whether it's a best practice or a
carryover or whatever. We're going to
take a look at that. Obviously, if it's
required by code of Virginia, we have no
say, but we want to make sure that
everybody understands those three
components
and the fourth being best practices to
whether we're going to add that.
The way it's laid out is we decided to
add two Wednesdays to our one monthly
meeting. So, there'll be potential for
total of three meetings a month as we go
about conducting our work sessions. the
code there SV
that's the day that we typically have
site visits our monthly site visit day
followed by now we will do these work
sessions in the boardroom because of
this live streaming so that'll enable
our residents to be able to stay
involved whether they come here
physically or because of live streaming
so it's Wednesdays here site visit day
and we expect our work sessions to be
about three
the P/H question mark. Well, that's our
monthly public hearing meeting. Now,
there have been times where we only have
to have a public hearing for one, maybe
two applications, which leaves plenty of
time that evening for us to also squeeze
in another work session. At this point
in time, it's hard to tell which one of
our public hearings throughout the year
are going to be light or heavy. So,
that's why it's the question mark there.
So when it's possible, we'll squeeze in
more. And then the fourth Wednesday of
every month is that's that X you see
U will be a dedicated to work sessions.
When we went through the trying to come
up with the schedule, we anticipated how
many work sessions would be appropriate
given the subject matter. [snorts]
[clears throat] Built into that is we
added the our public hearing days. So
there's a little flexibility in thinking
that somehow or another this schedule
could hold up knowing full well that no
schedule last scheduling for more than a
month or two is going to hold up. So
this room has been reserved to the end
of October 2027. However, if this
schedule does hold up, we think we'll
have a we completed all the work
sessions necessary to be able to conduct
our own public hearing
to determine whether it's worthy of
adoption by the board of supervisors.
So, thinking that could be done in
August or September of 2027, we would
have a complete zoning ordinance ready
for your
proposed by us as saying it's no, it's
adoption worthy for you.
um
not included in this work session in
this calendar
is the frequency of which you would like
to be updated. Now when we talked back
in May at our joint meeting the idea of
having joint meetings to stay a breast
of each other's desires and and progress
so uh or whether it needs to be a
presentation like this. So two things,
one you see the calendar before you
and
[clears throat] and the other one is
how would you like to re be updated
joint meetings which have to be
scheduled. Our recommendation is we're
going to do joint meetings is every four
months. We think that's enough time for
us to make some real substantive
progress to have something worthwhile to
come and present at a joint meeting. But
if you want them more frequently or
quarterly or
six months, whatever. So that's my
question now.
>> Okay. Thank Thank you, Mr. Evans. You
want me just to pause here and
>> and then I'm going to mention something
else, but yes, I'm going to pause.
>> Do you want to continue before we
>> No, I'd like to know what Okay. The
desire.
Fair enough. So I think what I hear you
saying, uh, Mr. Evans, is that you're
recommending quarterly
>> four months.
>> Every four months. Okay. All right.
So, what I would like to do
is poll supervisors as to what um
obviously this is new stuff for us, but
do you have any initial reactions to
this, Mr. Jameson?
>> I have no problem with four months, you
know.
>> Okay.
>> That's what works for the board there.
>> And would that be a joint session of the
two bodies?
>> I don't really know. I don't think so. I think to the board itself would be
sufficient to me to our board. Just let
him come and present for an update.
>> Yeah, we'll see what everybody says. But
what I'm I'm just kind of looking at
body language. I'm kind of thinking that
um these every four month updates could
be um you and uh and or andor Ron uh
coming and having um an overview
presentation uh to the board. Um we'll just stop there for the moment.
Tim,
>> I'm good with every four months. And I
like the idea of either he coming in or
Ron or Bo both come in and just present
and that way it doesn't tie up all the
commissioners on the planning commission
so often.
>> Mr. Carter.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm fine with every four
months, but I think if it would be
possible
uh if you all could email us the updates
like when you go through articles one
through three and that's complete. if
you all could email that to us so we
could see it and you wouldn't
necessarily have to update it, but I'd
like to see what's been done. And uh I
don't disagree with your four parts you
started off with, but you need a fifth
part what the citizens want because we
got a lot of feedback from the citizens
and I want to make sure that you all get
that in this rework.
>> That's all I have.
>> Thank you, Mr. Carter. Mr. Mitchell,
>> I'm fine with that him coming every four
months. I've had some pretty
constructive conversations with my
>> Yes.
>> planning commissioner already. We've had
some good talks about [clears throat]
>> how we saw things going forward. Um,
I agree with uh Mike there about the um
about the citizen input, but I also I
asked that the planning commission be
very wary about not letting
a few people drag them around to decide
what the future of of this ordinance
looks like for the county to be mindful
of the county as a whole
>> and not a small piece of it.
>> Very good. Thank you, Mr. Quinn.
I think the four months works as a
>> I think the four months works as a
placeholder. One thought is I start
thinking about the updates that you'll
have and you might find wow there's a
lot of stuff here and maybe we should do
it earlier because there's so much stuff
to work and so yes we we have it
scheduled for four months but you
suddenly realize three months is is more
appropriate. And and then the other
comment I I'm thinking about is how you
prep us because I think about, you know,
when the consultant uh wanted feedback,
she handed us a 300page book and said,
"Do you have any questions?" Right. And and that didn't work at all. You
know, I think you've talked about u I
always come back to discretionary
changes and non-discretionary. And so
the non-discretionary are state mandates
that you have to do or you found
mistakes that have to be cleaned up.
those were um non-discretionary,
but but we encountered a lot of changes
that were discretionary like the bees
and chickens and and subdividing the
farmland. And I'm sure there are a lot
more and those those are going to
require a lot of discussions. And in
fact, I think it'll be helpful as you
look out for for you to bring stuff to us like that and almost ask us for a
vote because I so many of them were
they're not black and white. They're not
right or wrong. I think there'll be
different opinions on them. So, so
anyway, that's more than you wanted, but
yes. And I think that one just one last
change. I I do understand why you're
using uh the the current draft as
opposed to going back to our old draft.
That makes a lot of sense to me.
However, it's now going to be more
difficult and more uh for you to tell us
what changed, right? Because you don't
have that red line version to go from
what it was to what it is. You only have
what it is. And so it's going to be a
little trickier for you to identify what
changed and and what what are material
changes that we really need to focus on.
>> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Quinn. Uh if I may,
um uh Mr. Evans, I I think my colleagues
are hitting on some really good points.
Um, I really do uh I like the um every
uh four months and um I definitely think
that uh incremental updates um by
section would be most helpful. Um so but
it's a lot for us to just get um you
know the next draft and and just be
charged with you know sitting and
reviewing you know copious pages of of this and we'll be able to you know
give more direct attention to it in that
way. Um I could envision depending upon
the planning commission's progress um we
might want to have
I don't know I'm thinking off the cuff
here. we might want to have a joint
meeting with the planning commission um
prior to
um the planning commission's um
presentation and recommendation to the
board of supervisors. U but you all
that's not anything that I'm saying go
do. Um I'm just thinking out loud a
little bit. Um is there my question to
myself is is there a time where we might
want to engage both bodies around the
table uh just to cover thoughts
questions and at that point we would
have the benefit of the full draft. Does
that make sense?
I um I would recommend that there at
least be one or two joint sessions
because in that kind of a meeting
there's a open discussion and a better
clear understanding of us and the entire
board
>> as to when that should be done. I guess
as we pro proceed it'll become more
obvious as to when's a good point to
request that.
>> Sure. And we can this is a fluid process
obviously as you were saying with the
work sessions and all you know golly if
we could get done before next fall that
would be fantastic but nobody wants to
meet five times a month either um you
know and your hour your meetings are
three hours long is what you're
projecting anyway um I would and I don't
know what your preparation is going to
be with regard to illustrating um
changes over the current draft because
we're not working on well you tell me um
the changes are You are you guys looking
at the changes over the current
ordinance or the draft?
>> Mostly we're going to use the format of
what has been proposed,
>> but content,
>> but the content of what's in chapter 25
of your current zoning ordinance. Um, I
also like to point out we're not going
to lose track of that, but we're also
[clears throat]
in our work sessions, we came up with a
four-page action plan to account for the
fact that there we've received a massive
amount of input from our residents.
And we're going [clears throat] to divvy
those all those questions and concerns
and comments up amongst all of us to see
to it for all the time the citizens put
into giving us feedback. Did we in fact
look at it, address it? And so as we're
going through the entire zoning
ordinance, we're making sure what it is
that came up in in just I mean truly
it's a lot of comments that were were
they addressed and if they weren't,
we'll know which still needs to be
addressed. So we're going to take care
of that. Also the matter of citizen
participation
um we [clears throat] have said for our
work sessions we have two signup sheets
based on the topic. People selfidentify
as subject matter experts. They get to
speak first and then we'll open it up to
the comments from the uh residents. So
this like a general uh public comment
period
because we re realize that without their
the citizens support and their genuine
concern now to move forward without
their ability to feel comfortable with
it would would just be
counterproductive.
>> Well to Mr. Mitchell's point um I want
to make sure that there is very very
good fluid communication across the
entire county.
>> Yes.
um you know making sure our residents
know from every facet of our county
footprint what's going on what the dates
are uh maybe if there is any way to put
you know some marginal updates on on the
website I don't know what your
mechanisms in place are but I want to
make sure that we have opportunities to
hear from each and every citizen across
the county should they wish to do so
>> Mrs. Cooper and the planning department
has come up with a new system by which
to alert the the community.
>> Yes. Yes. Yes.
>> Um and they will be seeing this schedule
now that you've seen it and you agree
with it.
>> Now, Victor, I will interrupt you to say
that that if you're working on the
emergency alert system or I'm not even
sure I'm characterizing it. That's for
people that sign up. If you're not
signed up, you're not reached, right?
>> Um yes, ma'am. It is for people that has
signed up.
>> So, we're still going to miss people.
There'll be two methods. I mean, we do
have a lot of public participation that
they're aware of what we're doing and
they're also assisting us with getting
the word out so that they know that on
the county website, this schedule will
be posted with the topic issues. And
we're working on making sure that in
preparation for each of these work
sessions, the uh company documents are
well identified so people can review
them too prior to the work sessions.
>> Yeah. I just don't want to take for
granted that that system is adequate.
Um, you know, that was one of the big
problems we had, lessons learned. Um,
you know, to make sure that we are
reaching our public and our citizens.
This is their, you know, document. It's
our guiding legal document. Um, so I
don't think we can do enough um to
ensure that our citizens are being
reached. Miss Cooper, did you have
something?
>> Yes. And we we're still keeping up the
page for the zoning ordinance and that
notifies individuals too when we put
something new up there. So, we'll be
using that. Also, I thought about too,
it doesn't um reach everybody, but we
still do the planning monthly. Um
there's always space where we could put
um something about what because staff
should know if we're far ahead or if
we're running a little bit behind um of
what articles we would be talking about
or if it's just one article. Um I can
probably I thought about talking to um
Mr. Tosh and see if he had any other
ideas to be able to get the word out. I
mean, we can put it on our Facebook
page, have it on our website, have it on
that site um to try to get out to people
um to at least get them to look at to
see what affects them. Yeah. And I think
the board's in concurrence about the
communication pieces. Am I uh not
speaking representative of everyone up
here? Um so that's great. So, Victor,
back to my question. you're going to be
evaluating against
the draft, keeping in mind what the um
foundational document looks like. Will
you be able to redline your changes so
that we can we don't have to read
everything and look at footnotes? Can
you redline your changes? I think given
what [clears throat]
that's challenging because the way
chapter 25 is set up versus the new
format that we're using to identify via
redlinining process has been the
challenge. My expectation is that you'll
be able to
my desire is to see to it that it's
obvious as to what got removed or
carried over.
>> I would just ask you keep that in mind
as a request. That's just me. I don't
know what the board, you know,
>> I think everybody wants that.
>> Okay. Well, I my colleagues can weigh in
as they wish. Um, for
>> we support that.
>> Okay. Anybody else on the board have any
Mr.
>> One request, Lisa, if you could, when
you put this information out, you may
put an asterk that this pertains to the
zoned sections of Franklin County and
not the unzoneed sections of Franklin
County.
>> Okay. So that the little lady that
called me back in the spring was scared
to death that she was going to have to
get rid of her chickens.
>> Yeah.
>> And I mean she was she was scared,
>> right?
>> And because she didn't understand grant,
you know, she's probably in her early
80s and and this really worried her and
uh I assured her that she did not have
to get rid of her chicken. So if you
will put that on there that this is for
the zoned area, not the unzoned area.
And my my closing remark if I could. Um
and of course my colleagues may have
some closing remarks. Um I think you've
heard me say numerous times. I think the
board has even said it. Um my personal
opinion on the document that that we
had. Um we want to see a document that
is Franklin County.
Um, you know, and I know it it's helpful
to do other locality comparisons to see
where we to see where we sit regionally
perhaps, but you know, the focus on
making sure that the needs of Franklin
County are being met through the zoning
ordinance and with best practices of
course in place, finding that balance, I
think, is going to be critical.
>> I think what um we believe you'll end up
with is a document that can take on any
kind of question.
>> Yes.
um [clears throat]
and and have staff be able to provide
leadership answers and also citizens
answers because of the way it's going to
be formatted. You take your specific
issue or scenario and you know where
those different aspects align
>> so that um we're not talking about well
I don't know let's make a good guess.
That's what we're trying to make happen.
>> So
>> with the new format that's possible. I
do have one more thing to bring up.
>> Oh please I'm sorry. Please go ahead.
Um, so I'm assuming [snorts]
right now this schedule we can move
forward with and that we're going to go
ahead uh analyzing the format that was
proposed to make sure it is very user
friendly. That's our objective.
>> Let's get a quick Okay. Is everybody
okay with the schedule and the
formatting that's been discussed?
>> Okay, there you go. Victor,
>> I um want to take this opportunity to
inform the board that our monthly
meetings um have several public comment
recommendations
that we
focus our initial efforts on simply
drafting an amendment to the current
zoning ordinance that addresses all
conditions and standards related to data
centers.
And I thought it was incumbent upon us
to make you aware, I'm sure you are, but
that we have been asked by the citizens
to instead of waiting for the entire
zoning ordinance to be reviewed and
proposed as adoption ready
data centers right now in this format is
in during the commercial industrial
section.
>> So we're talking about March.
We don't know what the desire is of the
board right now. What we did is we gave
you what you asked us to do. This is our
process. But we don't know if the board
says you know there are certain things
that we feel are so important. Let's get
them done first now
as you go through the process of
reviewing. You can get back to that. But
there's certain things you want done
now. And obviously data centers are the
popular thing. So, we just wanted to ask
if the board wants us to proceed as
scheduled or is there something you
think we should do now as a proposed
amendment to the current zoning
ordinance?
>> Okay, that's a great question. Um, let's
have some feedback, Mr. Tatum.
>> I I personally I think this needs to be
a countywide ordinance that we need to
look at. Not
>> I'm sorry. [clears throat] This this
particular item needs to be looked at as
a countywide ordinance similar to our
solar farm ordinance that we have that
limits uh the acreage and sets, you
know, sets the guidelines as far as
setbacks and this sort of thing. Um not
just protection and in the zoned areas.
This is something that we need
countywide so that the entire county is
protected because this is a major
concern for everybody in Franklin
County. And uh you know, right now I've
had I've been explaining to people left
and right in my district that where
we're not zoned that we currently have
no protections against a data center.
And so that may require some some help
from our our county attorney as some
guidance as to where to go with this.
But I would like to see this expanded
not just for as a zoning uh ordinance
plan as part of our county zoning, but a
ordinance countywide
that puts some restrictions in place
that that we can enforce that gives that
offers some protections.
>> So, Mr. Mr. Tatum, what I'm hearing with
the question that's on the table is you
would like the data center ordinance to
be pulled to be worked on.
>> I'd like for it needs to be immediate
and that's the feedback we need. That's important to the people and we
need to get those those uh standards in
place and those protections in place.
>> All right, Mr. Mitchell. Thank you, Mr.
Tatum. Okay, Mr. Mitchell.
>> So [clears throat] So Tatum has brought
that up several times. So
Mr. Dadak, would you please give us an
answer on how an ordinance works in an
unzoned area and what type of protection
there is in an unzoned area for these
type things?
>> It's going to be hard on data centers on
the solar farms. The reason the comp
plan gives protection to the zoned areas
with 2232 review which gives you that
enforcement mechanism where you actually
have to approve a solar farm in
non-zoned areas. Without that review,
you could have solar farm
language in your comp plan, but you have
no way to enforce it because they would
never have to come to you for approval.
Um, as part of this process, I will keep
looking, but I'll be honest, it's
you can enforce building code, fire
code, electrical code, you know, things
that are countywide and that have
statutory basis in something other than
zoning. But the problem is in terms of
regulating land use, the attorney
general opinions, the law is pretty
clear. It's it's zoning where the county
can use police powers to regulate land
use. We will look at every possible
avenue in terms of what other
enforcement there can be, but it it it's
going to be hard. We will take a close
look, but it doesn't have an easy answer
like the solar farms do where there is a
comp plan review that requires approval.
So zoning being the only way to affect
land use,
>> that is the only way to regulate land
use. That's correct. For example, with
the short-term rentals, there's a
statute that talks about that you can
require registration of short-term
rentals. And that's how we have that in
non-zoned areas. But for non-zoned
areas, you have to find a statutory
authority other than zoning for you to
do anything in terms of land use in your
non-zoned areas. Obviously, you got
building permits, all that. That's
countywide. That's not zoning. But to
regulate the land use, to approve a land
use, that's zoning.
>> So that's how you have a control over
short-term rentals, mobile home parks,
and things like that in a non-zoned
area. But when it comes to a land use,
which for these examples would be solar
farms and data and data centers, there
is no protection in an unzoneed.
>> Well, for solar farms, they're they're considered a utility facility.
So they had the 2232 review process,
>> but if they come up in conformance,
>> if they come up in conformance,
>> yeah,
>> we're obligated by law.
>> That's correct. Um, so for example, data
centers right now, you could add comp
plan language, but it would never come
to you as a comp plan approval unless
the stat unless they make data centers a
utility facility on 2232, but that's up
to Richmond, unfortunately. Not. We
could change that in the comp plan and
they can still get around it.
>> That's right. Because there's no
enforcement mechanism right now under
the statutory scheme that Richmond's
given you. Um cuz like with the utility
solar farms, you know, we've got a 1500
acre cap and so cuz we questioned this
fairly recently about the non-zoned
areas and if their acreage counted
against the overall county cap of 1500
acres and I believe if I'm correct that
it the non-zoned areas are included
um and added into that number. Am I
correct in that?
>> And that's correct and again that's
because of 2232 review. Right. Okay.
>> For example, you could have your comp
plan an acreage limits for anything you
want, right? But without you having to
approve it, you could have an acreage
cap for industrial uh stock farms,
right? But poultry farms, but industrial
poultry farms never come to you in in a
non-zone area for approval. So it it you
just have no enforcing mechanism. Can
that excuse me, can that cap be reduced
and changed
>> for solar farms? Sure. Um, now the only
problem you'd run into if you've already
approved above that cap, you you
probably can't take away an already
approved
>> um I assume for so let's use solar farms
example. If you lower the cap and you
already approved a solar farm and the
acreage cap exceeds that, you're going
to come into a vested right issue. But
yeah, you you can change the cap.
>> I'm outside of that.
>> I'm going to take it just a step deeper.
>> If you went in the comp plan and decided
>> you want to take it down to nothing. Say
we want to drop it to the the amount of
acres we have right now.
>> Mhm.
>> That we've already approved. I think the
county is so the other night that makes
three.
>> Mhm.
>> If we want to drop it to where those are
now, how would that play out? For
example, let's say there was one that
already came forward, got denied, and
wanted to come back and try again like
the last one did,
but you dropped the total acreage in
your comp plan. How would that play out
in court?
>> Oh, [snorts] in court, I can't guarantee
that, right? I mean, I I suppose they challenge the constitutionality and
whatever arguments they come up with as
to the cap, but um it would certainly be
defensible on the 2232 review for denial
because it be in your comp plan.
>> Um you know what how that plays out in
court, I can't guarantee you, but
certainly you have an enforcement
mechanism that's defensible. It's your
22, it's in your comp plan. Comp plan is
what you look at for your 2232 review.
It's it dictates 2232 review. It's not a
guide like in best use permits. It's the
end all be all, right? Um, so that would
give you grounds for denial of another
solar farm if you already hit your cap.
>> Okay.
>> So, does that answer the question about
the non-zoned areas?
>> And Mr. We will continue looking at what
pension enforcement mechanism there are.
There just is no easy.
>> Yeah, I think we have to be careful of
confusing the solar and the data
centers. They're not treated the same by
the state legislation.
>> That's right. State legislation
specifically considers solar a utility.
>> Yeah.
>> Which is why they're why they're
reviewed under 2232. They do not have
the same language for data centers,
>> right, at this time
>> at correct.
>> Subject to change.
>> Yeah.
>> So, we need to lobby Richmond.
>> Yes.
>> Okay.
>> Yes, sir. And far as the data centers,
we in the unzone, we have we cannot put
restrictions on it as far as noise,
power, water, anything like that. Even
in the nonzone areas, we cannot
>> you cannot put any restrictions that
don't apply to everything, right? You
can have your noise ordinance can be
nonzone areas, but it'll have to be a
countywide noise ordinance, right? You
can't specify for this use
>> we have a noise ordinance of X.
>> But
if I can just interrupt briefly, Mr.
Jameson, but to his point, the noise
piece like if if the planning commission
is going to um articulate with more
specificity, then we have a noise
ordinance.
Um, so is it implied that the countywide
noise ordinance is implied in a data
center in a non-zoned area or does it
have to be spelled out as such?
» I think I can speak to that because it's
really our current noise ordinance is
really for amplified sound.
>> Oh, that's noise. So
>> that's all right.
>> It really doesn't apply to the zoned
area to be honest unless it's, you know,
concert amplified sound, something like
that.
power consumption, water. I mean,
there's no way to we can attach that to
nonzone.
>> Not that I'm aware of,
>> you know, throughout the county.
>> I think as long as you're conforming
with the TW uh with 2232
and you're conforming with the comp
plan, you're done.
>> Is that right?
>> And that's why I was saying you have to
be careful that mixing the two together.
The data centers are not subject to 2232
review. solar is. So that's where
they're not treated the same when it
comes to the comprehensive plan. But
>> could we put together a countywide
ordinance that limits uh industrial use,
say puts a limit on water, daily water
usage and daily power usage
>> in the zoned areas
>> in the countywide. I mean it would have
to be countywide to include the unzoned
areas.
>> They going to come county water. my
cattle are drinking.
>> You'll have to do that.
» I mean, that's just I'm throwing out a
hypothetical. Is that a a possibility?
>> I will look into it. My initial reaction
is is is doubtful.
>> Okay.
>> Because you're you're going to you're
trying to tie it to a use, right? You're
for industrial use. Well, the moment
you're tying it to land use, you're
under into trouble in non-zoned areas
because you're you're regulating land
use. Um but like I said, we will look
into all potential avenues given the
board's um feedback on that.
>> All right. Thank you.
>> So, Mr. Jameson, um have you had your
questions answered, sir?
>> Mr. Carter,
>> I would like for them to work on the
data first, the data centers. And for me
personally, and I don't know if we can
do it, I would like to ban them
everywhere in the county except where
they're allowed by right at this point.
That pretty much is what we have,
>> right?
>> Well,
>> they're only they're only allowed in the
industrial, right?
>> In the zoned area, but they're allowed
anywhere in the non-zoned area. Correct.
>> So,
>> I think your suggestion was banned
countywide except for the
>> Yeah. And I'm not sure not sure we have
the ability to do that,
>> Mr. Dick.
>> Well, until it was challenged.
Well, so let me rephrase. My legal
advice is probably not. Obviously, I
just adise you you could adopt that
ordinance and wait for it to be
challenged.
>> Okay. Mr. Mitchell, did you have
anything further? Uh any if you want to
pull the data center orders?
>> I think the planning commission should
make that decision itself.
>> Okay.
>> I think that um if that's something that
they feel if that's something they're
getting feedback on that they need to
do, that's fine.
There's nothing we can do unless the
unzoned areas want to become zoned.
There's nothing we can do about that
>> in the unzone.
>> There's nothing we can do about that. Um
you can't have you can't you can't have
your property not zoned but want your
neighbor zoned. That's just the way it
is. Um and as far as the zoned areas,
there's only one spot in the entire
county that is by right.
>> That's right.
>> For it. So, if the if the planning
commission wishes to pull this and work
on it separately first, I'm fine with
that. However, I'm I'm not interested in
dabbling in any of the rest of it.
>> Understand, Mr. Quinn.
>> I I would pretend to let them proceed as
they've laid out the schedule and not
pull the data center forward. um myself
I I do think it's worthwhile to have
some kind of legal analysis of the
regional business park designation or
category for uh summit just because
there have been so many questions about
okay what happened back in 2016 and was
it done properly and is it is it still
valid and and I believe it is based on
everything I've looked over however it's
such a contentious area in such a
contentious category that it feels like
it would be worth getting some legal
input on that one area of legal
analysis.
» So
I've got
you were for to pull the data center
out. So three to pull. You were not to
pull.
>> Doesn't matter to me. Planning
commission make that decision.
>> Okay. And and Dan, you are not to pull.
>> Yeah. Not to pull.
>> Not to pull. Okay. Alrighty then. Um
Nick, come on now.
>> [laughter]
>> Um,
>> I say they stick to their schedule.
>> You know, when I talked to my planning
commissioner, uh, Ron Jefferson, uh, and
we briefly discussed this topic. Um,
my first, uh, response to him was, "We
have a planning commission. We need to
empower the planning commission to do
its job."
And if the planning commission feels
that you need to pull certain ordinances
to work on in your schedule, um pull
them out. My initial comment was that's
under your purview um as a planning
commission and you're appointed by us.
Um and I know you all were looking for
some feedback from the board to make
sure that we can stay as closely aligned
as possible. Um and we appreciate that.
um very much. Um I am okay either way.
I'm I'm kind of like Nick. I want you
all empowered to do what you've been
placed there to do. Um the data center
issue certainly is something. Um the
what I worry about um if I worry about
anything relative to the ordinance
number one um I think that and I told
Ron this the ordinance I really
encourage you guys um to really do some
due diligence and talking to surrounding
localities and looking at some of their
ordinances because as I work around the
state there's some differences in
locality ordinances and just to kind of
get a feel for are there standards or
are there not and we've got to make it
fit Franklin County, of course, first
and foremost. So, I encourage that. Um,
of course, our citizens feedback is
critical. Um, but, you know, I really
want you all empowered to do what we put
you there to do. Um, I can go either way
with it. If if the planning commission
feels that you've got enough um you know
if there's a a sense of urgency within
the commission to pull it um I don't
think anybody on this board I think
you've got the support to pull it. Um I
don't hear anybody I mean Mr. Quinn I
think um you don't want it pulled.
» Okay then I think we're very close on
this. So is that helpful to you Victor?
I think we're
>> Let me tell you what I think I heard.
>> Okay. So um and first of all we did this
in when the data center really just blew
up. We were seeking to understand
political will as to desire you're the
leadership.
We were comfortable with this schedule.
We just didn't know whether you were
comfortable with waiting that long.
>> No. [laughter]
But we understand
>> and I'm not speaking now totally on
behalf of the of the planning commission
because I'm going to take this back to
the planning commission to say okay
um you have a lot of trust in us and if
we can adjust this schedule move up the
data center thing soonest you'd
appreciate it and that would be welcomed
and we would get the support to adjust
the schedule accordingly
>> and I think what you've heard is we
believe it's under your purview to make
that decision and this board will
support the planning commission's
decision.
>> All right. So, um we'll work with staff.
Also, I've got to tell you, I hope we
can have a panel discussion for the
community
um and seek the subject matter experts
that can be uh received as unbiased
so that we are t making decisions about
what's appropriate. And we will have to
take a look around uh in other
localities to find out how they have
figured out proper conditions and
standards that are or are not working.
So
>> yeah and and Victor just you know um as
aside um since data centers you know in
southwest Virginia are now very
prevalent topic for the localities here.
Um there's so much rhetoric out there
and and non-factual information. I
personally think some of it perhaps
originated maybe back 10 or 15 years ago
and as Northern Virginia has increased
its data center density basically and I
use loosely a data center on every
corner and then residential
neighborhoods have just been built
around some of these data centers. you
know, if you've got a conglomeration of
data centers and my logic tells me that
if there's any uh adverse consequences,
they get magnified
simply by virtue of density.
>> Um, and I also know from, you know, some
research that I'm doing and working
across the state, you know, there are
things are not the same way today in
terms of how data centers function,
their efficiency or lack thereof, etc.
what are the the consequences, pros and
cons? And when I talk to Ron, I I
express that because I think what for me
and my colleagues can speak for
themselves, I think we really need to to
structure our ordinance around what we
know today. Um, and I think we've got
to, you know, really take the rhetoric
out of the picture and we've got to look
objectively at at what it is. And then
you'll be able and through your research
of doing that, you'll be able to craft
um and adjust that ordinance, I think,
accordingly. Mr. Carter.
>> Yes. Uh Steve, could you maybe contact
Jim Hutsler, the board I serve on at
Veco, Energy and Agriculture, and get
some of those PowerPoint presentations
they've had on data centers, and and get
it to Victor and the planning
commission. That's a great idea.
Certainly. and I've already been in
conversation with with them and we have
some information compiled and I think we
can help with setting up that panel
you're talking about.
>> Yeah,
>> that concludes my comments.
>> Is this giving you the guidance that you
need, Mr. Evans?
>> Thank you.
>> Well, we appreciate and please convey
our gratitude um to the planning
commission. um we know you're going to
be working really hard and um you all
are volunteers and you step up and you
give of your of your time and that does
not go unnoticed and we are very
grateful for that.
>> Appreciate it. Thank you for for your
support
>> of course. Okay, our last item on our
agenda um is to discuss the Boone Mill
vacancy that we have. Um I have given
each of you um just uh a version of
guidance and it's a draft. Uh what you
have in front of you um Mr. Gwyn and his
associates um they drafted the second
document which is in um chart form. They
have drafted these timelines based upon
um deadlines. The the piece that I have
given you is more specific. Um what I
will say what I will do is just briefly
run down this and what we're going to
the outcome of today um we need to set
some dates given what's on this and um
so just let me just run down for public
record um that we've got one month under
statute um to fill this vacancy.
>> I I apologize Madam Chairman. It's 45
days.
>> It's 45.
>> Yeah.
>> Nobody has said that to me.
>> It's actually 45 to your point. Yes. I
apologize. I believe Mr. Gwyn's chart is
assuming you wanted to appoint someone
by your next meeting. You technically do
have more time.
>> Okay.
>> But
>> okay,
>> that that was the assumption was that
you want to appoint someone by next
meeting, but you have not much more, a
little bit more time.
>> Thank you. Thank you. Okay. 45 days um
to make the appointment and the timeline
um began yesterday, Wednesday, August
19th. Um and so the uh statutory time
that Mr. Gwyn has given us is September
14th uh for uh the appointment to be
made. Are you in concurrence with this
chart, Mr. Dadak?
» So that's
>> that's my question. This throws all this
out of out in
>> you have 45 days to appoint someone
under a statute.
The assumption was I I I apologize it
wasn't part of conversation but this
chart is as he described an aggressive
timeline to appoint someone by your next
meeting.
>> Under a statute you have 45 days to
appoint someone.
>> But I still think Lori what we should do
is try to stick to this timeline and
hope it works out.
>> I agree.
>> And just not worry about the 15 days
unless we have to. I agree.
>> 15 days.
>> Yeah, if we got to add 15 days later,
that's fine, but for the time being,
let's
>> I think this is doable. That's what
we're going to work through today. Mr.
Datock, thank you for that
clarification. Um, so, uh, what we are
going to do is, um, the board of
supervisors is working with staff to
post a notice for application submittal.
Um, and we will do so electronically and
via print media. Um, and we will have
that out on or about this Friday,
tomorrow, August 21st.
Uh, the notice will announce the vacancy
and it'll provide application
instructions.
[clears throat] Excuse me. U, we are
going to do our best to make sure that
um the links are on this announcement,
[cough]
excuse me, and places that you can um
pick up applications and so forth. The
deadline to apply for the vacancy is
Wednesday, September 2nd.
And all of this is going to be in the
announcement for guidance for potential
applicants. What we as a board need to
do today um if you wish to proceed um
under the the initial assumptions that I
was working under um the first item and
let's just work by this um for each
event and look at our calendars
concurrently. The first is a special
called meeting. Um and I am and these
are just suggestions gentlemen. Um uh
would be held Thursday, September 3rd.
Understanding that the deadline is
September 2nd for submitt. So September
3rd um we are required to hold a meeting
and publicly announce the applicants in
open session and that we would have
closed meeting u discussion after that.
So, I'm going to stop there. Is
everybody okay for September 3rd for a
special called meeting?
>> What's your time?
>> That's That's for you guys to tell me
what you would prefer, Mr. I've got your
note, Mr. Quinn. Thank you. Um, what
time do you all prefer on the third?
>> I prefer going around 6:00 p.m.
>> 6 p.m., Mr. Jameson,
>> I can make it work.
>> You don't like six o'clock? I don't
really like it, but that's that's
[snorts] fine. Earlier would be better
for me, but like I said, I'll make it
work. Come up with
>> Mr. Carter.
>> I'm flexible.
Six is fine.
>> Okay,
Mr. Mitchell.
>> Uh earlier would be better for me, but I
can make six workers.
>> You want to find a happy medium of five?
>> No. If if Tim needs it at 6 for him to
be here, that's when we need to do it.
>> Is that with your work schedule?
>> That that I mean, no. I can be here
earlier, but my preference would be to
later on in the evening. So, if we need
to go earlier to accommodate Marshall, I
can I can do earlier. That
>> six works the best, but I'm I'm
flexible. Like Mike said, I can go
earlier.
>> Mr. Jameson, I'm going to make sure if
we do it at 6 that
>> that probably better for the public,
right?
>> Pardon me.
>> That would probably be better six.
>> I think it would absolutely um help the
public at at any time after 5:00. I
think would So, do you all want to go
with six?
Okay. Um, I'm putting that down. Um,
my pen would work.
Okay. Thank you. I think we're okay. So,
the next item is uh a called meeting to
be held the next week. uh the week of
September se 7th through um this says
the 11th but I would really say as
you'll see um we need to conduct the
interviews between the 7th and the 10th
um and those interviews um would be
scheduled accordingly after we get the
applications and to see how many
applicants we have um the deadline to
interview is September 11th but as
you'll see the next item um is that we
would have another called meeting that
week where on September 11th um we would
um
let's see uh we would go we we have to
vote on the selected candidate on the
11th so we interview that week we have
discussion that week and we have to vote
on the candidate by the 11th which is
that Friday so uh between the dates and
this is going to be predicated of course
on the number of applicants we get. You
know, if we get two applicants, then our
interview schedule will not be too
complex. If we have five applicants, six
applicants, we'll have to work
accordingly. So, what I would suggest is
that we consider earlier in the week to
start the interview schedule in case we
need extra time after we see how many
applicants we get. So, with that said,
um does does anybody have uh avail Well,
the 7th is Labor Day. Yeah,
>> let me just say that right off hand.
>> Um
what is your pleasure uh for the 8th,
9th, and 10th for interviews?
>> I'll make it work.
>> I'm good.
>> Mr. Jameson,
» I'm good.
>> Mr. Mitchell?
>> Yeah.
>> Okay. Okay. And I've got you covered,
Mr. Quinn. Thank you. Um Okay. Um I've
got to be out of town um Tuesday for a
UVA appointment for my daughter. Um so
um I would like some grace there if I
could get some. Um could we start
interviewing um on the 9th uh starting
right after lunch? How does that work
for everybody?
Mr. Damison,
>> start on the 9th.
>> Um, and start maybe at 1:00.
How's that work for you, Mr. M?
>> Mr. Carter?
>> I'm fine with that.
>> Okay. And then if again, we'll have to
evaluate how many applicants we get and
we'll know that very soon. Um and we
will adjust the interview schedule. If
we can get the interviews um done in a
in an orderly manner depending upon
number, we might be able to complete
them on the 9th. But if we need extra
time, uh we've got that cushion day of
the 10th in there. So I would ask you to
hold the 10th open if you can if we need
that. Is everyone okay with that? So
interviews on the 9th at 1 p.m. Is that
cool?
All right. Um, and so that'll move us
into Friday the 11th, which is when, um,
you know, as we have those interviews,
we'll have close session time, you know,
during this week to deliberate, um, you
know, after the interviews and so forth
as a board. Um, and then on Friday the
11th, we need to vote on the selected
candidate in open session. So, what I
would ask is, what is your pleasure on
Friday the 11th?
um to to make the announcement of the
candidate that we uh would like to see
voted on
time.
>> Can we do it that morning? Cuz I might
be leaving to go out of town that
evening
>> and I know there's a fair anniversary
water quality monitoring dinner that
night if anybody's interested in going
to that. You want to do it in the
morning?
>> That would work good for me so we can
leave that evening.
>> Okay, Mr. Jameson
that day. I'm good. But we will vote on
them that day.
>> We will be voting. We have to
>> be gone the next week.
>> Well, I think the statute lines us up to
vote by the 14th.
>> By the 11th.
>> Yeah. Um Mr. Tatum,
>> I'm good. Just for whatever time you
say, be here.
>> Okay, Mr. Carter.
>> I'm good, but I would prefer morning.
>> Okay. And Mr. Mitchell, you said you
were okay. Correct.
>> Morning.
>> All right. So, for the 11th, um, what if
we set this at, um,
11:00 a.m., 10:00 a.m.?
>> How about 10?
>> 10.
Okay.
>> Seven.
>> All right. So,
>> 5:15.
>> We are not doing seven. Okay. All right.
So, 10:00 a.m. on the 11th um to have a
public vote on the selected candidate.
Um, and if things go according to plan,
um, you know, this has come on us very
quickly and, you know, I've been trying
to throw this stuff together, um, with
Mr. Gwyn. Um, so again, some grace
trying to get everything lined up. Um,
it would be fantastic. Our board meeting
in September comes early on the 15th,
the way the calendar lies. So, um it
would be fantastic to get our candidate
um awarded on the uh on the 11th and
then our board meeting is the 15th the
following Tuesday. So, it would be
fantastic um I think um moving forward
unless the board objects. um we could
possibly maybe get this individual sworn
in at our board meeting and have uh the
judge or the circuit court clerk here to
do so so the applicant's family could be
here and so forth. Um but that's that
again is a is a board decision for you
all to give me guidance on.
>> So is there anything what we'll do is I
will get you a memorandum of confirming
these dates and times. Of course, there
will be uh public appropriate public
notice given through Steve and his
staff, the 3-day uh public notice that
will go out to the, you know, to the
citizens and so forth to announce the
meetings and um the appropriate times
where we'll have to go into close
session with those uh code sections uh
properly announced. uh with that um and
I think I think if this was uh not as
painful as I thought it was going to be.
Thank you all for your um for your
flexibility and I will get out conf you
know confirmations on dates and times
and and what those are for just so you
can have that information moving
forward. Do you all have any comments or
questions?
>> I have a question Lori. So is this
appointment will just be for three and a
half months. Will there be a special
election in [cough]
>> this will be on the ballot next
November?
>> Oh next November. Oh, so not like the
school board position that's on this
November.
>> No, sir. That Mr. Datak with I know Jim
and I have talked about that twice.
>> Next general election. Yes, that would
be next November. So, um that Thank you
for bringing that up, Dan. That's a
really good point. And of course, um the
applicants the application will go
through a lot of this, but you know, you
have to be a resident of the Boone
District in good standing. Um all of
that will be articulated for for your
reference points. And of course, if any
applicants that you know of or friends
or neighbors in that district have any
questions, um please feel free to call
myself, Mr. Sandy, our clerk Samantha,
uh and we are happy to help you uh walk
you through [snorts] uh any information
that you need. So, am I clear that you
all are don't have any further questions
or comments on the process? Mr. Data, do
you have anything to add?
>> Not unless someone has questions. No,
thank you.
>> Okay, Mr. Sandy.
Okay. Um, is there any other business to
come before uh the board this afternoon?
Anything on your mind?
>> I have one item, Madame Clerk. I I'd
like to wish Mr. Sandy a very happy
birthday.
>> Are we supposed to sing, Tony?
[laughter]
>> Happy birth. Please don't. You don't
want me singing to you. Um, but happy
birthday.
>> Thank you.
>> Very happy birthday. Okay. So, um, I
think we're good and, um, I'm going to
adjourn the meeting. until uh se well I
guess our our meetings that'll be let's
see the first one
>> third you would have to open
>> yes September 3rd
>> open a meeting and then go into close
session
>> yeah so we're going to adjourn until
September 3rd so thank you all very much
for your time and your attention