1 00:02:09,039 --> 01:05:45,190 I don't think anybody was expecting 2 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:48,079 Welcome to our meeting this afternoon. I 3 01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:49,920 would officially like to call this 4 01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:53,359 meetingwork session to order today, 5 01:05:53,359 --> 01:05:56,400 Thursday, August 20th 6 01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:00,319 uh 2026 at 300 p.m. Uh the meeting is 7 01:06:00,319 --> 01:06:02,160 officially called to order and we will 8 01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,160 have our invocation delivered by Mr. 9 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,640 Hatum followed with a pledge by Mr. 10 01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:10,799 Jamson. So if you please stand. 11 01:06:10,799 --> 01:06:12,640 >> Good to see everyone here today. Let's 12 01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,960 pray. Our dear heavenly father, we come 13 01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:16,960 to you at this time, Lord, thanking you 14 01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:19,440 for the privilege and honor of serving 15 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,200 uh the citizens of Franklin County. 16 01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:22,880 Lord, we pray that everything that we do 17 01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:24,640 and say in this meeting will be 18 01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,039 according to your precious will and 19 01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:28,720 pleasing in your sight. Lord, we pray 20 01:06:28,720 --> 01:06:30,640 that everything that we do that we 21 01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:32,240 always look to you for wisdom and 22 01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:33,920 guidance in everything that we say and 23 01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,000 do. In Jesus name I pray and ask it all. 24 01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:36,559 Amen. 25 01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:39,280 >> Amen. 26 01:06:39,280 --> 01:06:41,599 >> Pledge allegiance to the flag of the 27 01:06:41,599 --> 01:06:43,920 United States of America and to the 28 01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:47,200 republic for which it stands, one nation 29 01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:50,000 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 30 01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:54,710 justice for all. 31 01:06:54,720 --> 01:06:57,839 » Okay. Thank you all very very much. Um 32 01:06:57,839 --> 01:07:00,079 you will note at your place um that 33 01:07:00,079 --> 01:07:03,440 we've got uh an amended agenda from the 34 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:07,520 one initially sent out um with the um 35 01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:10,559 the noted change of an item for the 36 01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:13,440 Boone district vacancy at the end um of 37 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:16,799 our workday here. Um but given that are 38 01:07:16,799 --> 01:07:19,760 there any uh concerns uh any additions 39 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:24,640 you'd like to recommend for the agenda? 40 01:07:24,640 --> 01:07:27,119 Okay. Hearing none. Um I will accept a 41 01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:29,359 motion to approve the agenda as 42 01:07:29,359 --> 01:07:31,760 submitted. 43 01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:32,319 >> So move. 44 01:07:32,319 --> 01:07:32,960 >> Second. 45 01:07:32,960 --> 01:07:34,880 >> Thank you. All those in favor, please 46 01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:35,599 say I. 47 01:07:35,599 --> 01:07:36,000 >> I. 48 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,799 Opposed like sign. And that carries. 49 01:07:38,799 --> 01:07:40,400 Okay. Mr. Sandy, we're going to begin 50 01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:42,640 our work sessions and I will turn it 51 01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:46,240 over to you to introduce your staff and 52 01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:47,920 get us get us moving here. 53 01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,480 >> All right. Thank you. Um yeah, we we did 54 01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,240 want to take this opportunity to provide 55 01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:54,960 a a little update on the progress and 56 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:56,960 activities. We're calling it W Weaver 57 01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,680 Street. So, this is not only the CTE, 58 01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,200 but you know, this is referring to the 59 01:08:01,200 --> 01:08:03,839 ModCraft, former ModCraft building, uh 60 01:08:03,839 --> 01:08:05,680 which is located on Weaver Street, which 61 01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:08,000 we intend to have more of a multi-use 62 01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:09,599 structure. So, it's not strictly the 63 01:08:09,599 --> 01:08:11,599 CTE. So, so Brandy's kind of going to 64 01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:14,000 give a more holistic update. And then I 65 01:08:14,000 --> 01:08:15,920 know uh Supervisor Quinn had requested 66 01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,679 an opportunity to speak more 67 01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:20,480 specifically to the CTE portion uh of 68 01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:22,480 the project. And so following Bry's 69 01:08:22,480 --> 01:08:24,400 presentation, uh we have another 70 01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:26,880 presentation that um Mr. Quinn, I don't 71 01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:27,839 know if you're going to do it from your 72 01:08:27,839 --> 01:08:29,839 seat or if you're going to go up there. 73 01:08:29,839 --> 01:08:30,799 Okay. 74 01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:32,799 um we'll make a presentation and then 75 01:08:32,799 --> 01:08:34,560 the expectation would maybe be any 76 01:08:34,560 --> 01:08:36,880 discussion or questions um you know at 77 01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:39,359 that point that that we can work work on 78 01:08:39,359 --> 01:08:41,199 to address for you either today or come 79 01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:44,159 back with further information and then 80 01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:46,159 um you know once we complete that 81 01:08:46,159 --> 01:08:48,480 segment then we plan to to move forward 82 01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:50,560 with you with some planning updates and 83 01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:52,799 some discussion on a couple plans. 84 01:08:52,799 --> 01:08:53,440 >> Very good. 85 01:08:53,440 --> 01:08:53,920 >> Thank you. 86 01:08:53,920 --> 01:08:54,640 >> We'll let Brandy 87 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:56,400 >> Good afternoon Brandy. Uh good 88 01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,239 afternoon. Uh it's my pleasure to be 89 01:08:58,239 --> 01:08:59,679 here this afternoon to give you guys a 90 01:08:59,679 --> 01:09:01,040 brief update on the Weaver Street 91 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,960 property um progress and just very 92 01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:06,560 quickly to touch on the progress that 93 01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:09,279 we've had since our last update. Um our 94 01:09:09,279 --> 01:09:10,960 site cleanup still continues with the 95 01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,880 assistance of the sheriff's office. Uh 96 01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:15,040 we've removed just over 300 tons of 97 01:09:15,040 --> 01:09:18,319 material at this point um utilizing um 98 01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:20,159 labor from their trustees. So we really 99 01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:22,640 appreciate the partnership with them. Uh 100 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,480 we have continued communication with our 101 01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:26,560 industry experts. Um these are the group 102 01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:28,159 that we interviewed previously when we 103 01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:29,839 were determining the project delivery 104 01:09:29,839 --> 01:09:32,159 strategy. Uh they consist of general 105 01:09:32,159 --> 01:09:35,120 contractors, architects um and owner's 106 01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:36,880 representatives. 107 01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:38,719 Um we have drafted a request for 108 01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:41,440 proposals or an RFP uh for owner's 109 01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:43,199 representative services which I will 110 01:09:43,199 --> 01:09:46,239 touch on that um in some future slides. 111 01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:48,400 We have collected sample RFPs for 112 01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:51,279 architecture um or architect engineering 113 01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:53,600 services or A&E services as I'll refer 114 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,920 to it for the rest of the presentation. 115 01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:58,080 Uh we've toured additional E911 116 01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,120 facilities um most recently um the 117 01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:02,960 renovated facility in Pennsylvania 118 01:10:02,960 --> 01:10:06,000 County last week and we are finalizing 119 01:10:06,000 --> 01:10:08,400 the disposition of the back parcel. Um 120 01:10:08,400 --> 01:10:09,840 you guys approved the sale of that 121 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:12,239 parcel um and we're going through a 122 01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:13,840 little bit of due diligence on that now. 123 01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,159 Um we don't have a closing date. um at 124 01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:19,199 this time. 125 01:10:19,199 --> 01:10:21,360 So just a reminder, the project delivery 126 01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:23,040 strategy that was approved by the board 127 01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,679 was their traditional design bid build. 128 01:10:25,679 --> 01:10:27,440 Um I won't read through the exact 129 01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:29,840 description of it, but um it it is 130 01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,480 basically uh the process that you see 131 01:10:32,480 --> 01:10:34,719 most commonly used where you design the 132 01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:38,400 facility under um an architect engineer, 133 01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:39,840 then you put it out to bid and then you 134 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:43,280 have a general contractor construct it. 135 01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:44,960 looking at the order of priorities on 136 01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:48,080 this form of um delivery strategy. Uh 137 01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,159 you typically see cost, time, and then 138 01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:52,800 quality. Um having quality listed as the 139 01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,960 third priority is not necessarily a bad 140 01:10:54,960 --> 01:10:57,360 thing. It's just the cost and the timing 141 01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:00,080 of the building um tend to be the higher 142 01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:01,840 priority in this type of delivery 143 01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,719 strategy. Uh looking at the process 144 01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:06,880 under design bid build, we will issue 145 01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,960 that RFP for owner's representative 146 01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:11,679 services. Uh following that we'll have a 147 01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:13,760 request for proposals issued for A&E 148 01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:16,800 services. So our architect engineer 149 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,120 um an architect will be selected and a 150 01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:20,960 comprehensive proposal developed which 151 01:11:20,960 --> 01:11:23,199 will include uh pricing for your 152 01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:25,600 schematic design development 153 01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:28,080 construction documents um construction 154 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:31,040 administration and so on. Uh we will 155 01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,199 engage the third party cost estimator at 156 01:11:33,199 --> 01:11:34,960 that point to give us a very detailed 157 01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:36,960 estimate of what we feel the project is 158 01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:38,800 going to cost. 159 01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:41,199 uh we'll pre-qualify general contractors 160 01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:43,360 that may be interested in the project 161 01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,440 and then issue that invitation for bids 162 01:11:45,440 --> 01:11:48,320 for general contractor services. 163 01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:50,400 Uh the contract will be awarded to the 164 01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:52,159 low bidder and be approved by this 165 01:11:52,159 --> 01:11:54,320 board. Um and construction will begin 166 01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,760 after that. Um I did want to note um 167 01:11:57,760 --> 01:11:59,679 that running concurrently with all these 168 01:11:59,679 --> 01:12:01,600 steps is engagement with our project 169 01:12:01,600 --> 01:12:03,520 partners. So there'll be constant 170 01:12:03,520 --> 01:12:05,600 dialogue um with our school system, our 171 01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:07,280 community colleges, farm college, 172 01:12:07,280 --> 01:12:10,080 businesses, um economic development, 173 01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:11,600 everybody that's going to be key players 174 01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:15,120 in this uh process. 175 01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:17,120 So kind of touching on what an owner's 176 01:12:17,120 --> 01:12:19,440 representative is. Um and this is pulled 177 01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:23,040 out of the RFP. Um an owner's 178 01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:24,560 representative is a consultant that 179 01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,400 provides pre-construction and um 180 01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:29,199 construction phase um construction 181 01:12:29,199 --> 01:12:31,920 related project management. Um it can 182 01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,199 also include building commission 183 01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:35,520 services and um a variety of other 184 01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:38,320 services if needed. The consultant acts 185 01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,239 as the owner's project manager and 186 01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:42,320 provides sufficient administrative 187 01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,120 management and related services um as 188 01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:48,320 required to fulfill the contract. 189 01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:50,080 So looking at the preconstruction 190 01:12:50,080 --> 01:12:51,360 services and I won't read these 191 01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:54,080 verbatim. Uh they do assist the owner 192 01:12:54,080 --> 01:12:56,080 with generating the RFP for architecture 193 01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,719 and engineer services. They review 194 01:12:58,719 --> 01:13:00,239 available programs, plans, 195 01:13:00,239 --> 01:13:02,400 specifications, cost estimates and so 196 01:13:02,400 --> 01:13:05,440 on. Um and lead um the kickoff like the 197 01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:08,000 phase in meeting uh between the county 198 01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:10,080 and our architect. 199 01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,000 Uh they provide document reviews at 200 01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:15,360 various phasages phases of design. Uh 201 01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:16,400 looking at programming, 202 01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:17,920 constructibility, 203 01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:19,920 scheduling, construction duration, 204 01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:23,760 construction cost. Um 205 01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:25,520 they manage the owner's project and 206 01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:28,800 construction budget. um compare design 207 01:13:28,800 --> 01:13:31,760 phase estimates with um budget cost and 208 01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:35,360 prepare uh an update cash flow analysis. 209 01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,280 They monitor and maintain overall 210 01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:40,080 project master schedule um including 211 01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:41,840 major design and pre-construction 212 01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,320 activity, start and finish dates, review 213 01:13:44,320 --> 01:13:47,280 times, and key milestones. 214 01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:49,520 um they identify potential owner direct 215 01:13:49,520 --> 01:13:52,320 procurement strategies um and really 216 01:13:52,320 --> 01:13:54,080 weigh the the benefits and risk of 217 01:13:54,080 --> 01:13:56,960 those. 218 01:13:56,960 --> 01:13:58,640 Excuse [clears throat] me. Um finally, 219 01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:00,400 they provide contract administration 220 01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:01,840 support. So they're doing invoice 221 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,640 review, pay application review, um 222 01:14:04,640 --> 01:14:07,440 conflict resolution if needed, um they 223 01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:09,199 do special inspections, direct 224 01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:11,440 procurement if we decide to do that, um 225 01:14:11,440 --> 01:14:14,000 and so on. 226 01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:16,960 And very quickly, um, they also help, 227 01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:18,880 uh, prepare the potential biders list 228 01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,600 for construction. Um, so they they'll 229 01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:23,120 start what's considered a bidder's 230 01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:24,719 interest campaign where they're reaching 231 01:14:24,719 --> 01:14:27,280 out, um, to contractors that may be 232 01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,800 interested in bidding the project, and 233 01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,000 that'll be coordinated with our 234 01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,480 architect. On behalf of the owner, 235 01:14:32,480 --> 01:14:34,480 they'll review bid documents prepared by 236 01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:36,239 the architect, assist the owner in 237 01:14:36,239 --> 01:14:38,719 preparing and placing advertisements um 238 01:14:38,719 --> 01:14:43,120 to solicit bids um for owner purchased 239 01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:45,360 items and also um consultant contracts 240 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,320 if needed. Uh they represent the owner 241 01:14:48,320 --> 01:14:50,320 and construction pre-bid conferences 242 01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,640 that'll be led by our architect. uh 243 01:14:52,640 --> 01:14:54,400 reviewing agenda that are generated 244 01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:56,080 during that process uh for 245 01:14:56,080 --> 01:14:59,199 constructibility effect on the project 246 01:14:59,199 --> 01:15:01,920 um construction budgets and timelines. 247 01:15:01,920 --> 01:15:04,239 Um and finally, they'll assist um the 248 01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:06,239 county with bid evaluations and 249 01:15:06,239 --> 01:15:08,417 selection. 250 01:15:08,417 --> 01:15:09,040 [snorts] 251 01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:11,040 Moving to construction services, they 252 01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:12,800 provide and maintain on-site management 253 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,640 for the project as an agent of the 254 01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:17,120 county. They provide and maintain 255 01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:19,280 on-site records. 256 01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:21,280 They verify that all required permits, 257 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:22,880 bonds, and insurance have been obtained 258 01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:25,280 by all parties. They monitor 259 01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:27,520 construction contract administration by 260 01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,320 the architect. Uh they represent the 261 01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:31,760 owner at progress meetings with the 262 01:15:31,760 --> 01:15:33,600 architect, the contractor, and any other 263 01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,760 parties needed. 264 01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,760 Uh they establish a program to monitor 265 01:15:37,760 --> 01:15:39,920 construction quality. Uh really to guard 266 01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:41,760 the owner against any work that does not 267 01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:43,280 conform. 268 01:15:43,280 --> 01:15:46,159 Um 269 01:15:46,159 --> 01:15:47,520 excuse me, just one second. to the 270 01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,239 construction contract requirements. Um, 271 01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:52,000 in conjunction with the architect and 272 01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:53,760 the contractor, they orchestrate a plan 273 01:15:53,760 --> 01:15:55,760 for successful building occupancy and 274 01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,400 acceptance. Uh, they review and certify 275 01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:00,400 that contractor's construction schedule 276 01:16:00,400 --> 01:16:02,400 and schedule of values is prepared in 277 01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,320 accordance with uh contract documents 278 01:16:04,320 --> 01:16:07,520 and industry practices. 279 01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:09,600 Um, they provide regular updates to the 280 01:16:09,600 --> 01:16:10,960 board of supervisors and the school 281 01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:13,679 board on the construction progress. 282 01:16:13,679 --> 01:16:15,679 uh provide monthly updates including but 283 01:16:15,679 --> 01:16:17,840 not limited to a brief description of 284 01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:19,520 monthly construction activities and 285 01:16:19,520 --> 01:16:21,920 financial information. And at the 286 01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:23,600 conclusion of the project, they prepare 287 01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:26,560 to deliver uh prepare and deliver to the 288 01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:28,400 owner a final accounting of the project 289 01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:32,719 budget um and all closeout reports. 290 01:16:32,719 --> 01:16:35,760 Um so that is my update for you and um I 291 01:16:35,760 --> 01:16:37,360 can either answer questions now or if 292 01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:38,640 Mr. Quinn would like to do his 293 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:40,159 presentation, we can answer questions 294 01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:41,199 after that. 295 01:16:41,199 --> 01:16:42,560 >> Thank you. Does anybody have any 296 01:16:42,560 --> 01:16:44,960 questions for Brandy before Mr. Quinn 297 01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:46,159 presents? Please. 298 01:16:46,159 --> 01:16:48,000 >> I have a couple Brandy. So, 299 01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,000 >> do you envision this owner's 300 01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:52,400 representative being a person or a 301 01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:54,800 company? And I just asked that because 302 01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:56,320 it's a pretty diverse set of 303 01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:57,760 capabilities. I'm wondering if one 304 01:16:57,760 --> 01:16:59,199 person can have that or are you looking 305 01:16:59,199 --> 01:17:01,440 for a a company where when you put all 306 01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:02,800 the people in that company together, 307 01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,320 they can provide that service. 308 01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,320 >> I've done both. Um, I've done a regional 309 01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,560 jail project where we used um a single 310 01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,159 owner's representative that was very 311 01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:12,400 specialized in correctional facility 312 01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,440 design. Um, and I've also used um larger 313 01:17:15,440 --> 01:17:17,600 groups where um if we are looking at 314 01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,120 public safety section of the building, 315 01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,280 it may be one representative from their 316 01:17:21,280 --> 01:17:22,800 company for that part of it. But if it's 317 01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,159 CTE, it would be somebody that 318 01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:26,880 specializes in that area. Mhm. 319 01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:30,000 >> And then I don't see the word quality in 320 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,920 here anywhere except in the beginning 321 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:34,239 where you know it's the third priority. 322 01:17:34,239 --> 01:17:36,159 And just wondering how we can ensure 323 01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:38,880 that quality is is an equal equally 324 01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:40,640 important part of this where it's almost 325 01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:42,560 these three objectives together and and 326 01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,960 maybe quality is third but but it's a a 327 01:17:44,960 --> 01:17:47,440 very close third to to the first two. 328 01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:47,679 Oh, 329 01:17:47,679 --> 01:17:49,520 >> I would absolutely agree that it ranks 330 01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:52,000 right up there with it. Um, I would say 331 01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:55,280 the selection of the the the best 332 01:17:55,280 --> 01:17:57,199 owner's representative, architect, and 333 01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:58,560 contractor. They're all going to have to 334 01:17:58,560 --> 01:18:00,480 work together to ensure that quality. 335 01:18:00,480 --> 01:18:02,159 But having the owner's representative as 336 01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:04,719 our boots on the ground every day um 337 01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:06,400 truly there to represent us. They're not 338 01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:07,679 there to represent the architect. 339 01:18:07,679 --> 01:18:08,800 They're not there to represent the 340 01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:11,040 contractor. Um they're there truly to 341 01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:13,199 represent us um and the construction of 342 01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:14,880 that facility. So I think quality would 343 01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,199 be insured through that position. And 344 01:18:17,199 --> 01:18:18,800 then the the last question, I just 345 01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:21,120 wondered if you envisioned the contract 346 01:18:21,120 --> 01:18:23,040 with the owner's representative having 347 01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:24,880 performance incentives, for example, 348 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:26,880 minimizing ECPs in the construction 349 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,440 process and if if they were able cost 350 01:18:29,440 --> 01:18:31,040 containment, something around cost, so 351 01:18:31,040 --> 01:18:36,000 they're they're financially incented to work with us to minimize ECPs. 352 01:18:36,000 --> 01:18:37,600 >> I had not considered that, but it's 353 01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:38,880 certainly something that we could work 354 01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,679 into the RFP. Um, if that's the desire 355 01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:43,600 of the board, 356 01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:44,960 >> I think it'd be interesting to have a 357 01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:46,640 variable component with them where they 358 01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:48,400 were they truly had a financial 359 01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:50,239 incentive to help us, right? It would 360 01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:53,120 just align them with us better if they 361 01:18:53,120 --> 01:18:55,520 knew that to the extent that they keep 362 01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:57,840 the the cost where it should be and they 363 01:18:57,840 --> 01:18:59,280 don't have overruns and they don't have 364 01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:02,159 um ECPs that that were that they're 365 01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:03,679 rewarded for that too. 366 01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:05,920 >> Yes, financial incentives always help, 367 01:19:05,920 --> 01:19:07,040 >> right? [laughter] 368 01:19:07,040 --> 01:19:08,080 >> Okay, that's it. Thanks. 369 01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:09,360 >> Thank you, Mr. Quinn. Any other 370 01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:11,280 questions for Brandy? [clears throat] 371 01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:13,199 >> Okay. Thank you so much for the update, 372 01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:15,280 Brandy. We very much appreciate it, 373 01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:28,790 >> Mr. Quinn. Do you want 374 01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,120 » And as uh Supervisor Quinn is coming, I 375 01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:33,120 think you all have a handout of at least 376 01:19:33,120 --> 01:19:34,800 a portion of of what he's going to 377 01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:38,159 present today that um just to to have in 378 01:19:38,159 --> 01:19:40,239 front of you. I I don't think it's the 379 01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:42,080 complete presentation, but it's most of 380 01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:42,400 it. 381 01:19:42,400 --> 01:19:44,239 >> Yeah, it it is the whole one actually. 382 01:19:44,239 --> 01:19:44,640 So, 383 01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,640 >> okay. So anyway, thank you for giving me 384 01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:48,800 a couple minutes on the agenda today. 385 01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:51,280 And uh you know, I think back to the 386 01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,199 zoning ordinance and the post-mortem 387 01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:55,760 that we did on that and I felt that we 388 01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:57,920 didn't have a leader. We didn't have an 389 01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,679 organization in place and we didn't have 390 01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:02,400 clear roles and responsibilities. And 391 01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,480 now that's water over the dam, but we're 392 01:20:04,480 --> 01:20:06,400 facing a much bigger project, much 393 01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:09,199 bigger risk, much more money at stake. 394 01:20:09,199 --> 01:20:11,440 And we're going down the same path. and 395 01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:15,679 we're about a year into the project and it's not at a point where you blame 396 01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:17,679 anybody. It's a time where we can make a 397 01:20:17,679 --> 01:20:19,440 midpoint correction and do some things 398 01:20:19,440 --> 01:20:21,679 that'll really help us assure that the 399 01:20:21,679 --> 01:20:26,800 project is going very well. And so there 400 01:20:26,800 --> 01:20:28,800 are a couple things that I I it just 401 01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:30,560 dawned on me, I guess, is all I can say. 402 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:32,400 I wish I had seen this before and I 403 01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:35,120 didn't, but oh well. But I I begin I've 404 01:20:35,120 --> 01:20:37,120 started seeing some things that that 405 01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:40,159 aren't being worked on as quickly as or 406 01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:42,960 as effectively as Bry's piece. So Bry's 407 01:20:42,960 --> 01:20:45,600 piece is like the A+ of the effort right 408 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:47,920 now. And and but I'm seeing other pieces 409 01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,080 that don't feel like we're getting after 410 01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,080 them. And it could be well we don't have 411 01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:53,679 a person to do the work or we don't have 412 01:20:53,679 --> 01:20:55,360 the budget to do the work or or we're 413 01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:57,520 not aware that we want to do the work. 414 01:20:57,520 --> 01:20:58,800 But I I'll just give you a couple 415 01:20:58,800 --> 01:21:00,159 examples. I think back to the 416 01:21:00,159 --> 01:21:06,800 presentation that I did in January and I suggested that we look at this as an 417 01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:09,360 educational ecosystem that includes our 418 01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:10,880 schools but also the surrounding 419 01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:12,719 schools. So, Patrick and Henry and 420 01:21:12,719 --> 01:21:15,040 Western Virginia and Rono and and 421 01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:17,600 looking at all of these as your um your 422 01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,320 educational ecosystem and taking into 423 01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:23,600 mind what you think you need to do given 424 01:21:23,600 --> 01:21:25,360 the the capabilities that you already 425 01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:31,120 have at these schools. And the example I bring up all the time is the welding 426 01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:33,120 facilities at at Patrick and Henry. And 427 01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:35,679 so, as you may recall from our tour, 428 01:21:35,679 --> 01:21:38,480 it's a multi-million dollar complex. And 429 01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:41,040 so, the question comes up, well, do we 430 01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:43,360 need welding facilities? And and I don't 431 01:21:43,360 --> 01:21:45,520 have an opinion on that today. I just 432 01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:47,520 know it's something that needs to be 433 01:21:47,520 --> 01:21:50,400 looked at. And upon further thinking, I 434 01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,800 realized it's not black or white. It's 435 01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:55,440 not yes, we have them or no, we don't. I 436 01:21:55,440 --> 01:21:56,639 even thought of there could be 437 01:21:56,639 --> 01:21:58,320 combinations and permutations. For 438 01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:01,440 example, the first um room they have is 439 01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:04,000 virtual welding. It's workstations in a 440 01:22:04,000 --> 01:22:05,760 classroom where you become an excellent 441 01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:08,159 virtual welder and you must become an 442 01:22:08,159 --> 01:22:09,600 excellent virtual welder before you move 443 01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,440 on to stick welding and then on to to 444 01:22:11,440 --> 01:22:13,760 robotic welding. And so it occurred to 445 01:22:13,760 --> 01:22:16,960 me, wow, one solution might be that you 446 01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,440 only have virtual welding at RCTE 447 01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:21,120 because it's pretty inexpensive and 448 01:22:21,120 --> 01:22:22,639 you're getting into the big bucks when 449 01:22:22,639 --> 01:22:24,320 you have the stick welding and the 450 01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:26,239 robotic welding. And so the kids could 451 01:22:26,239 --> 01:22:27,760 go in and they could learn virtual 452 01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:30,000 welding and decide, is this really for 453 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:32,159 me? And if yes, well, they go on to 454 01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:34,159 Patrick and Henry. So I I'm not 455 01:22:34,159 --> 01:22:35,679 suggesting that that's the solution. And 456 01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:39,280 I'm just bringing it up as as an uh to 457 01:22:39,280 --> 01:22:40,880 help you understand the complexity in 458 01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:42,239 some of these issues because that's just 459 01:22:42,239 --> 01:22:44,880 one curriculum uh decision. The other 460 01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,639 one I wanted to mention where again 461 01:22:46,639 --> 01:22:48,480 where it doesn't seem like we're we're 462 01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:50,239 getting after this as quickly as we 463 01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:53,920 should when we talked to Dr. Hajes about 464 01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:55,679 how they came up with a curriculum. He 465 01:22:55,679 --> 01:22:57,440 said we interviewed every business 466 01:22:57,440 --> 01:22:59,840 within 50 miles of the facility and we 467 01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:01,280 asked them what they need and that 468 01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:03,520 became the basis for their curriculum. 469 01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,400 And so that's that's a well for me the 470 01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,080 light bulb went on and I thought of 471 01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:10,000 course that made sense. It was an 472 01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:11,360 awesome way of thinking about your 473 01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,840 curriculum and with the ven diagram I 474 01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,400 put up. You remember I I foresaw 475 01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:20,000 businesses being a huge driver of our of 476 01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,280 curriculum here. And you recall his 477 01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,639 degree is J O right he's totally focused 478 01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:28,880 on on jobs and I even asked him with 479 01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,719 that ven diagram about uh the the over 480 01:23:32,719 --> 01:23:34,880 on the other side where the students 481 01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:37,280 want it and the school can give it but 482 01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:38,800 it's not what businesses need. I 483 01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:40,239 wondered do you ever do any courses 484 01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:42,159 there? And he said, "No, we don't do any 485 01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:43,840 courses there. The community college can 486 01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:52,320 do that." So, as I think about that, u I have anecdotal examples where u we 487 01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:56,320 have the biggest IT services company in 488 01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:58,960 the county that's in my area that's 10 489 01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:00,800 miles away and they haven't been 490 01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:03,280 interviewed by about their needs for the 491 01:24:03,280 --> 01:24:05,600 CTE. And so, it's just an anecdotal 492 01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:07,040 story, but it's a big company. It's 493 01:24:07,040 --> 01:24:08,880 somebody that has a lot of a lot of 494 01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:13,360 professional services need. And so it's giving me the sense that maybe we 495 01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:16,159 don't have a methodical approach to 496 01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:17,840 first do an inventory of all the 497 01:24:17,840 --> 01:24:19,679 businesses and then do a priority of all 498 01:24:19,679 --> 01:24:22,159 those businesses and then be have an a 499 01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:23,920 system to interview them either in 500 01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:27,440 person or or uh with a a paper survey. 501 01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:30,320 And and so then I think about Bry's way 502 01:24:30,320 --> 01:24:31,840 out in front and she's going to need 503 01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:34,320 these feeds about what is it going to be 504 01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,080 in this school. she's going to hit a 505 01:24:36,080 --> 01:24:37,679 point where if she's hitting a wall and 506 01:24:37,679 --> 01:24:40,159 she doesn't know the needs. And then the 507 01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:42,639 last anecdotal story I'll tell you is I 508 01:24:42,639 --> 01:24:44,480 just happened to run into somebody that 509 01:24:44,480 --> 01:24:46,320 is from Western Virginia Community 510 01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:48,880 College and and he is he is the person 511 01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:51,520 that would be their point of contact for 512 01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:53,520 this activity and he said nobody had 513 01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:55,760 reached out to him and I I connected him 514 01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:58,080 with Dr. seers and and that's great but 515 01:24:58,080 --> 01:24:59,679 it makes me wonder how many more pieces 516 01:24:59,679 --> 01:25:01,440 am I missing because I these are just 517 01:25:01,440 --> 01:25:03,440 like happen stance in my travels that 518 01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:06,159 I'm finding these so with that you could 519 01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:09,058 put this up 520 01:25:09,058 --> 01:25:11,040 [clears throat] so I really I just 521 01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:14,159 intend to present this one slide but I 522 01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:15,760 have backup and I'll explain how this 523 01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:18,960 works so the biggest part of today is 524 01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:20,639 I'm proposing that we should have a 525 01:25:20,639 --> 01:25:23,280 project executive that's overseeing all 526 01:25:23,280 --> 01:25:25,520 of the activities going on with the CT 527 01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:27,360 and that that person should report into 528 01:25:27,360 --> 01:25:30,880 Dr. Sears and Steve Sandy. And so this 529 01:25:30,880 --> 01:25:33,840 gives you a feel for the the boxes of 530 01:25:33,840 --> 01:25:35,679 activities and and I'm not wedded to 531 01:25:35,679 --> 01:25:37,679 these boxes. There's no pride of 532 01:25:37,679 --> 01:25:39,760 authorship in this. This is what I laid 533 01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:42,080 out, but I would almost envision you put 534 01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,400 a project executive in place and you 535 01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:48,239 tell that person, what do you want? How do you see this organized? And and 536 01:25:48,239 --> 01:25:49,600 it could very well be different than 537 01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:51,360 this. Maybe they combine two boxes. 538 01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:53,360 Maybe maybe I'm missing a box. Although 539 01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,600 I've I've tested this on enough people 540 01:25:55,600 --> 01:26:01,280 and nobody's had additions to this, but the I the idea is you can see the 541 01:26:01,280 --> 01:26:03,760 breadth and scope of all the things that 542 01:26:03,760 --> 01:26:05,440 have to be going on here and the 543 01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:08,080 complexity and and there's there's huge 544 01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:10,239 risks with this project and I I just 545 01:26:10,239 --> 01:26:13,040 feel that without this person in place 546 01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:15,040 that we're going to continue down the 547 01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:17,199 path with various things like Bry's 548 01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:19,520 piece is going very well, but what's 549 01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:22,480 going on with the uh business community 550 01:26:22,480 --> 01:26:26,400 and uh and that the outreach and so how 551 01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:27,679 can I change the slides because I wanted 552 01:26:27,679 --> 01:26:30,320 to go down to one more 553 01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:32,560 oh maybe let me try this oh yeah here it 554 01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:35,760 is okay so I just wanted to show you so 555 01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,800 if I go back here this the second from 556 01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:45,280 the left business and and community is one of the most complex because I 557 01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:48,560 think I see it having a lot of of uh 558 01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:51,280 school input and a lot of economic 559 01:26:51,280 --> 01:26:52,480 development input 560 01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:54,960 But you can see here, I I I wanted to 561 01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:56,719 show I I wanted to show you that I have 562 01:26:56,719 --> 01:26:58,639 some depth to these boxes. I actually 563 01:26:58,639 --> 01:27:00,800 thought about what would go in each of 564 01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:02,800 these boxes. And I can tell you for sure 565 01:27:02,800 --> 01:27:05,120 this isn't complete. I've tested it on a 566 01:27:05,120 --> 01:27:07,679 few people and and nobody's had other 567 01:27:07,679 --> 01:27:09,440 input to it. So this is what we have 568 01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:11,840 today. But I I would envision once you 569 01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:13,679 get into this, you would be tweaking 570 01:27:13,679 --> 01:27:15,760 some of these. But you can see, you 571 01:27:15,760 --> 01:27:17,360 know, I have the, you know, that 572 01:27:17,360 --> 01:27:19,440 inventory and engaging employees within 573 01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:22,000 the 50-mi radius and the all this work 574 01:27:22,000 --> 01:27:24,800 with the regional colleges, I think, is 575 01:27:24,800 --> 01:27:26,880 really important. And the marketing for 576 01:27:26,880 --> 01:27:29,760 the 1% sales tax referendum, the the 577 01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,760 path we're going down now with that, 578 01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:33,440 we're not going to get it. It's just a 579 01:27:33,440 --> 01:27:35,520 shame. We're not going to It's not Dr. 580 01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:38,320 Sears, it it's not a critique of him. He 581 01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:39,840 doesn't have enough on there. We have 582 01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:41,760 three town halls at the schools that 583 01:27:41,760 --> 01:27:44,560 need HVAC programs and it's not enough. 584 01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:46,880 You're not going to get people excited 585 01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:48,560 to go to a town hall and they hear about 586 01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:51,040 an HVAC system. And so there's there's 587 01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:57,280 work there that needs to be done. But when I talk about needing a leader, 588 01:27:57,280 --> 01:27:59,280 it's that project executive. When I talk 589 01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,520 about an organization, it's that 590 01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:03,679 executive managing those five boxes of 591 01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:06,000 activities that go on. And when I talk 592 01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:10,320 about roles and responsibilities, it's looking at each one of these points 593 01:28:10,320 --> 01:28:12,880 and deciding, well, first, am I going to 594 01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:15,360 do it or not? Or maybe I tweak the text, 595 01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,760 but who's going to do it? Who who the 596 01:28:17,760 --> 01:28:20,320 who's the person that's responsible for 597 01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:22,480 this bullet? That that's what I mean by 598 01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:25,040 clear roles and responsibilities at the 599 01:28:25,040 --> 01:28:27,679 end of this. Every one of these has um 600 01:28:27,679 --> 01:28:30,480 has a person. And I put I the Franklin 601 01:28:30,480 --> 01:28:32,159 Center is down at the bottom. Not ne 602 01:28:32,159 --> 01:28:34,320 it's not in order of importance. they 603 01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:36,800 were part of my original slideshow. I I 604 01:28:36,800 --> 01:28:38,320 see them as being an incredibly 605 01:28:38,320 --> 01:28:40,239 important part of this and I'm not sure 606 01:28:40,239 --> 01:28:42,080 how they fit in. This is where they fit 607 01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:43,760 in to me, but maybe somebody says, 608 01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:45,280 "Well, this should be a box all by 609 01:28:45,280 --> 01:28:46,880 itself reporting into the project 610 01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:49,360 executive." So, so that's why to me this 611 01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:51,679 is kind of fluid, but it begins to lay 612 01:28:51,679 --> 01:28:54,560 out um a leadership model, an 613 01:28:54,560 --> 01:28:57,199 organization model, and and gives you 614 01:28:57,199 --> 01:28:58,960 enough content so you can establish 615 01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:00,639 roles and responsibilities to get the 616 01:29:00,639 --> 01:29:03,360 work done. So, that was everything I 617 01:29:03,360 --> 01:29:04,159 have. 618 01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:05,920 >> Okay, Dan, that's great. Thank you so 619 01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:07,360 much for all the work you've put into 620 01:29:07,360 --> 01:29:09,199 this. I'm going to open the floor for 621 01:29:09,199 --> 01:29:10,719 questions, comments, Mr. Carter. 622 01:29:10,719 --> 01:29:12,400 >> Yeah, thank you. Thank you, Dan. That 623 01:29:12,400 --> 01:29:14,480 was a good presentation. I just had a 624 01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:16,159 couple comments. I was on the board at 625 01:29:16,159 --> 01:29:18,560 Patrick Henry when we started that 626 01:29:18,560 --> 01:29:22,800 complex and uh that virtual welding 627 01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:24,320 training 628 01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:26,480 piece of the puzzle. I think that's 629 01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:28,639 perfect for the high school. I don't 630 01:29:28,639 --> 01:29:32,159 know liabilitywise if they can advance 631 01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:38,320 to a welding booth and all that. Um was one thing. I think an IT curriculum 632 01:29:38,320 --> 01:29:40,080 for that school is going to be real 633 01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:43,840 important for future future jobs. And 634 01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,800 that 1% sales tax 635 01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:49,199 if if we want that to pass we have got 636 01:29:49,199 --> 01:29:51,280 to step up some marketing for that 637 01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:53,679 because people are telling me they are 638 01:29:53,679 --> 01:29:55,120 not going to vote for that. 639 01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:58,080 >> Mhm. So, we need to I don't know what we 640 01:29:58,080 --> 01:29:59,600 need to do, but we need to help the 641 01:29:59,600 --> 01:30:01,760 school system market that to get that 642 01:30:01,760 --> 01:30:04,000 through. And that's all I had. 643 01:30:04,000 --> 01:30:05,600 >> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Carter. Mr. 644 01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:06,880 Jameson, 645 01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:08,080 >> I agree with Mike. I want to have 646 01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,480 welding virtual welding. I think that 647 01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:13,120 would work great here for the uh county 648 01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:14,639 and all this um 649 01:30:14,639 --> 01:30:15,920 >> you said it would work great in the 650 01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:16,719 county. I think so. 651 01:30:16,719 --> 01:30:19,360 >> Yeah. I I had no idea, but it but it 652 01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,040 made me realize it wasn't black or 653 01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,360 white. It's here or not here. There 654 01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:25,920 various combination and permutations 655 01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:26,880 that could work 656 01:30:26,880 --> 01:30:28,800 >> there. Again, you talk to the you talk 657 01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,920 to Virginia Western, Patrick Henry, they 658 01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:33,679 can give you some guidance on it. Give 659 01:30:33,679 --> 01:30:36,560 the school or whoever and what they 660 01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:38,560 think of it. Get their opinion of it. 661 01:30:38,560 --> 01:30:40,960 >> The the project executive, what do you 662 01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:44,000 see, Dan, as far as what kind of 663 01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:46,480 experience do they need? I mean, what do 664 01:30:46,480 --> 01:30:48,080 you 665 01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,239 management? I understand. How about 666 01:30:50,239 --> 01:30:52,400 construction? I mean, is this is this 667 01:30:52,400 --> 01:30:56,159 just the um itinerary of what's going to 668 01:30:56,159 --> 01:30:59,280 be taught or what you they would be in 669 01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:00,560 charge of that or are you talking about 670 01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:02,000 the construction also? 671 01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:04,800 >> No, I I well it's I I think it's a very 672 01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:06,560 senior executive. It's not a junior 673 01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:08,880 person. Their man their management and 674 01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,199 leadership skills would be huge. That 675 01:31:11,199 --> 01:31:14,159 ability to manage a breath of functions. 676 01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:16,239 Um here you you can see the diversity of 677 01:31:16,239 --> 01:31:18,560 the functions. I feel like the 678 01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:21,280 facilities and construction activity 679 01:31:21,280 --> 01:31:23,280 that we have going on, especially with 680 01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:25,600 the construction manager we put here. 681 01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:28,000 This is excellent. This is I I have no 682 01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:29,600 change. I mean, I talked about a couple 683 01:31:29,600 --> 01:31:31,840 questions, but but this is perfect. And 684 01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,800 so now you have a really strong person 685 01:31:34,800 --> 01:31:36,480 here reporting into the project 686 01:31:36,480 --> 01:31:38,800 executive. Yes, I I would think that 687 01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:41,360 person needs some construction 688 01:31:41,360 --> 01:31:43,199 experience. However, their leadership 689 01:31:43,199 --> 01:31:45,360 and management capabilities across a a 690 01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:47,600 wide and very diverse set of activities 691 01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:50,560 is more important because you have this 692 01:31:50,560 --> 01:31:53,520 area so well taken care of now. 693 01:31:53,520 --> 01:31:56,239 >> So, but it's mainly curriculum they're 694 01:31:56,239 --> 01:31:57,840 looking at, right? Is that what you're 695 01:31:57,840 --> 01:31:59,360 thinking? That's 696 01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:00,480 >> No, I got it wrong. 697 01:32:00,480 --> 01:32:02,800 >> Uh, so, so let's go from the left. You 698 01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:04,960 have operations and finance, right? 699 01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:07,920 There's this is a box where where you're 700 01:32:07,920 --> 01:32:10,400 looking after all of the finances for 701 01:32:10,400 --> 01:32:13,120 this school. you need a whole separate 702 01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:17,040 um ledger, if you will, wi with um a 703 01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:18,880 revenue and income potentially where 704 01:32:18,880 --> 01:32:20,800 you're managing this. I don't think that 705 01:32:20,800 --> 01:32:22,480 we right now I don't think that we're 706 01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:25,920 managing everything under the CTE as a 707 01:32:25,920 --> 01:32:27,840 separate function and we the board of 708 01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:29,760 supervisors should want that. We we 709 01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:31,679 should want to know what is this costing 710 01:32:31,679 --> 01:32:33,600 us? What have we spent? And so this 711 01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:36,800 operation operation and finances is all 712 01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:40,159 about uh that activity. the the I I 713 01:32:40,159 --> 01:32:41,520 covered business and community, but the 714 01:32:41,520 --> 01:32:43,679 program and education, the the 715 01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:45,679 curriculum, the staffing, the program 716 01:32:45,679 --> 01:32:47,760 development. I see a lot of that being 717 01:32:47,760 --> 01:32:51,760 managed by Dr. Sears and uh and then uh 718 01:32:51,760 --> 01:32:54,159 govern governance when you look at it's 719 01:32:54,159 --> 01:32:55,920 best to just go down through and look at 720 01:32:55,920 --> 01:32:58,400 each of the backup slides to see what's 721 01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:00,880 in there to really understand. But the 722 01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:02,960 other thing that occurred to me as I got 723 01:33:02,960 --> 01:33:06,880 into this was I realized it's really not 724 01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:10,800 our role to say Steve and Dr. Sears you 725 01:33:10,800 --> 01:33:13,920 will have this person right I think it's 726 01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:17,199 our role to tell them we need a leader a 727 01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:20,880 clear leader and if if Dr. Ste Sears and 728 01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:23,360 Steve said we can do that we don't need 729 01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:26,560 this person okay but but my sense is 730 01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:28,320 they don't have the bandwidth I I don't 731 01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:30,320 think Dr. Sears has the bandwidth. I I 732 01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:32,000 haven't heard from Steve, but I don't 733 01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:33,440 think they have the bandwidth to be 734 01:33:33,440 --> 01:33:40,080 overlooking of this whole project. But my sense was it's not our job to say 735 01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:41,920 this is how the organization should be 736 01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:44,400 set up, but it it is our job to say you 737 01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:46,560 need a leader, you need an organization, 738 01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,080 and you need clear roles and 739 01:33:48,080 --> 01:33:49,840 responsibilities under that so everybody 740 01:33:49,840 --> 01:33:52,080 knows what they're doing as we we build 741 01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:55,440 this massive program. 742 01:33:55,440 --> 01:33:56,719 >> Mr. Tatum. 743 01:33:56,719 --> 01:33:58,960 >> Dan, thank you for this presentation. I 744 01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:00,480 know you've put a lot of work and a lot 745 01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:02,880 of thought into this. Um, the virtual 746 01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:05,520 welding I think is outstanding uh 747 01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:08,239 concept, outstanding idea and would be a 748 01:34:08,239 --> 01:34:10,400 great addition to the pro to their uh 749 01:34:10,400 --> 01:34:13,040 existing program, but I I also think 750 01:34:13,040 --> 01:34:16,800 that they currently have a welding uh 751 01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,120 booth setup that they're currently 752 01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:20,880 using. They're at their current 753 01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:23,520 location. Now, granted, it is small and 754 01:34:23,520 --> 01:34:27,280 has its limitations. Um I I think that 755 01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:30,639 you know the overall setting of of the 756 01:34:30,639 --> 01:34:34,080 curriculum and everything that's that's 757 01:34:34,080 --> 01:34:35,920 we can make recommendations but of 758 01:34:35,920 --> 01:34:39,520 course we know the school they set that 759 01:34:39,520 --> 01:34:42,960 and uh um you know I don't think that we 760 01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:46,000 need to necessarily say well all you're 761 01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,320 going to do all we're going to permit is 762 01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:51,920 virtual activities at the high school 763 01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:53,520 level. If you want to take stick 764 01:34:53,520 --> 01:34:54,635 welding, you've got to go to 765 01:34:54,635 --> 01:34:56,480 [clears throat] Patrick Henry uh when 766 01:34:56,480 --> 01:34:58,800 they're already offering stick welding 767 01:34:58,800 --> 01:35:01,520 and in in some capacity. I think we need 768 01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:04,639 to look at what we currently offer and 769 01:35:04,639 --> 01:35:06,639 we need to look and and we need to have 770 01:35:06,639 --> 01:35:09,679 we need to sit down with our partners uh 771 01:35:09,679 --> 01:35:11,679 on the school board and see what the 772 01:35:11,679 --> 01:35:13,280 students are requesting 773 01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:15,199 >> because we can all we can have the Taj 774 01:35:15,199 --> 01:35:16,639 Mahal out there and if the students 775 01:35:16,639 --> 01:35:17,679 don't want to take it, they're not going 776 01:35:17,679 --> 01:35:18,960 to take it. Oh, [clears throat] you 777 01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:20,239 know, we need to see where their 778 01:35:20,239 --> 01:35:24,111 interest is and and like you said, uh 779 01:35:24,111 --> 01:35:25,600 [clears throat] earlier, it doesn't do 780 01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:28,480 us much good to train them for the skill 781 01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:30,239 and then not be able to use it for a 782 01:35:30,239 --> 01:35:31,199 job. 783 01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:32,800 >> And [clears throat] and that is 100% 784 01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:35,679 true. But on the other side, if they 785 01:35:35,679 --> 01:35:38,480 don't have the interest in it, you can't 786 01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:41,920 force them to take take the the class. 787 01:35:41,920 --> 01:35:43,760 >> And so, we need to we need to find a 788 01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:46,400 happy medium somewhere in there. And and 789 01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:48,960 I think that's going to be all of us 790 01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:50,960 sitting down, 791 01:35:50,960 --> 01:35:52,880 putting our heads together, and working 792 01:35:52,880 --> 01:35:56,320 with the school board with uh and like I 793 01:35:56,320 --> 01:35:58,480 said, I love the idea of having the 794 01:35:58,480 --> 01:36:01,520 project executive, someone as a overseer 795 01:36:01,520 --> 01:36:04,080 of the whole whole program because that 796 01:36:04,080 --> 01:36:06,400 to me takes a whole lot of pressure off 797 01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:09,920 of Mr. Sandy and and Dr. seers because 798 01:36:09,920 --> 01:36:14,000 uh they they have a pretty big uh duty 799 01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:16,080 as theirself running the county and 800 01:36:16,080 --> 01:36:20,000 running the school system and uh 801 01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:22,000 I just applaud what you've put together 802 01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:23,440 here, but I think we need to make sure 803 01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:26,320 that we take a look at what we have. 804 01:36:26,320 --> 01:36:27,199 >> We [clears throat] need to take in 805 01:36:27,199 --> 01:36:29,840 consideration the 806 01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:33,280 uh interest of the students and you know 807 01:36:33,280 --> 01:36:36,320 we it may be as simple doing a poll of 808 01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:38,800 the students. Hey, what would you what 809 01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:43,679 would you be like to see offered? Uh you 810 01:36:43,679 --> 01:36:46,080 we might be surprised [laughter] and it 811 01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:48,560 may you know you you know I think that's 812 01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:49,920 where we need to start because that's 813 01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:51,600 who we're building this for 814 01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:54,000 >> is our students and uh because I'm not 815 01:36:54,000 --> 01:36:56,960 taking any classes there. Uh, I already 816 01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:59,440 know how to stick weld and and not real 817 01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:01,280 good, but I I can put two pieces of 818 01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:03,760 metal together. [clears throat] But, uh, 819 01:37:03,760 --> 01:37:06,480 you know, we need to we need to you make 820 01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:09,199 sure that we keep our students involved 821 01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:11,440 in this, too. Uh, because that's who 822 01:37:11,440 --> 01:37:13,119 we're building it for. But, thank you 823 01:37:13,119 --> 01:37:14,880 again. You put a lot of hard work into 824 01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:16,400 this and I know you put a lot of thought 825 01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:18,320 into it. 826 01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:19,840 >> A couple points just um for 827 01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:22,239 clarification. So, I was using the 828 01:37:22,239 --> 01:37:26,000 welding as just an example. It wasn't I 829 01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:28,000 wasn't saying we should have a virtual 830 01:37:28,000 --> 01:37:29,920 facility or not. I was just trying to 831 01:37:29,920 --> 01:37:32,800 point out wow you look at one this is 832 01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:35,760 one thing welding right and and it's not 833 01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:39,040 as easy as black or white yes or no you 834 01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:41,040 all of a sudden as as you start 835 01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,679 dissecting it you realize wow it could 836 01:37:43,679 --> 01:37:46,000 be we do virtual welding here and we 837 01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:47,600 don't do stick and robotic. It could be 838 01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:49,119 I I don't have a recommendation there. 839 01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:50,960 So I just want to be clear that's not my 840 01:37:50,960 --> 01:37:52,639 I'm not making a recommendation. I'm not 841 01:37:52,639 --> 01:37:54,080 smart enough to make a recommendation in 842 01:37:54,080 --> 01:37:56,000 that area. I just as I thought about it, 843 01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:58,800 I I was able to uh do that. The other 844 01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:01,520 thing uh that I think about. So, I think 845 01:38:01,520 --> 01:38:04,960 it's fine to interview the students, but 846 01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:06,560 they don't know what they don't know. 847 01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:08,639 You know, I think I I came out of school 848 01:38:08,639 --> 01:38:10,320 and they were history majors and and 849 01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:11,520 they're bummed out that they don't have 850 01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:13,280 a job. And I hope nobody here is a 851 01:38:13,280 --> 01:38:15,600 history major, but but they didn't know 852 01:38:15,600 --> 01:38:17,600 going into this that's not going to give 853 01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:20,239 you a job, right? And there in that vin 854 01:38:20,239 --> 01:38:21,920 diagram I put together where you're 855 01:38:21,920 --> 01:38:23,840 looking at what the businesses need. If 856 01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:25,280 a business comes out and they say, "Hey, 857 01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:27,920 look, I'll pay you $100,000 if you do 858 01:38:27,920 --> 01:38:29,440 this." Well, suddenly you're going to 859 01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:31,040 have a lot of students interested in 860 01:38:31,040 --> 01:38:32,400 doing that, right? They didn't they 861 01:38:32,400 --> 01:38:33,840 didn't even know about that. A lot of 862 01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:35,600 the stuff in that over on the business 863 01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:37,600 side is they don't know what they don't 864 01:38:37,600 --> 01:38:40,159 know. And so they're only if you if you 865 01:38:40,159 --> 01:38:41,679 do the survey, they're only going to 866 01:38:41,679 --> 01:38:43,440 answer 867 01:38:43,440 --> 01:38:45,520 from their small little sphere. And 868 01:38:45,520 --> 01:38:47,360 that's why I think it's so important to 869 01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:49,040 have the businesses and it's very 870 01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:51,520 unclear to me so far how that's going to 871 01:38:51,520 --> 01:38:53,119 be done. Is it the school? Is it 872 01:38:53,119 --> 01:38:54,880 economic development? Is it on the two 873 01:38:54,880 --> 01:38:57,119 as a partnership? But but I would just 874 01:38:57,119 --> 01:39:00,560 propose it's it's huge. We have to have 875 01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:02,080 the business development. If you talk to 876 01:39:02,080 --> 01:39:04,080 Dr. Hodgeges, he he couldn't even do 877 01:39:04,080 --> 01:39:06,239 this without the business development or 878 01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:07,119 the the business. 879 01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:10,639 >> Yeah, I I completely agree. In fact, I 880 01:39:10,639 --> 01:39:12,800 recall some numbers that was given to 881 01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:15,280 this board, and I want to say it was in 882 01:39:15,280 --> 01:39:18,239 2017 or 2018 that there was a study 883 01:39:18,239 --> 01:39:21,280 done, and there were over 10,000 884 01:39:21,280 --> 01:39:24,400 job openings within a 60-mi radius of 885 01:39:24,400 --> 01:39:28,239 here for machinists. 886 01:39:28,239 --> 01:39:29,760 >> And those are good paying jobs. 887 01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:30,960 >> Yep. 888 01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:32,320 >> And it's a big demand. 889 01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:34,400 >> I know. And it makes the other kind of 890 01:39:34,400 --> 01:39:37,360 crossover I'll talk about just is 891 01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:38,960 summit. So you have people that are 892 01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:40,639 looking to bring their business in here 893 01:39:40,639 --> 01:39:42,159 and they want to know do you have 894 01:39:42,159 --> 01:39:44,159 workers? In a lot of case we don't have 895 01:39:44,159 --> 01:39:45,520 the workers. We don't have the 896 01:39:45,520 --> 01:39:46,880 workforce. They want to they're looking 897 01:39:46,880 --> 01:39:48,960 for an educated skilled workforce that 898 01:39:48,960 --> 01:39:51,040 they can drop into this. And and you 899 01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:52,800 think about what Patrick and Henry uh 900 01:39:52,800 --> 01:39:54,400 community college was doing. They have 901 01:39:54,400 --> 01:39:56,480 rooms set up where where the company can 902 01:39:56,480 --> 01:39:58,320 put in their equipment and be trained on 903 01:39:58,320 --> 01:40:00,320 their equipment. And so so yes, they 904 01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:01,760 might not be trained today, but they can 905 01:40:01,760 --> 01:40:03,840 be trained by the time you open up your 906 01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:06,719 factory. And so I think it it would make 907 01:40:06,719 --> 01:40:08,960 some of you in other areas in the county 908 01:40:08,960 --> 01:40:10,880 much more attractive if we start 909 01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:13,280 building that base of skills. We have a 910 01:40:13,280 --> 01:40:15,199 really competent workforce because we 911 01:40:15,199 --> 01:40:16,960 don't now. They come out of high school 912 01:40:16,960 --> 01:40:18,639 and and they they're not ready to do 913 01:40:18,639 --> 01:40:20,320 anything. It's unfortunate. It's not and 914 01:40:20,320 --> 01:40:21,760 it's not a criticism of the high school. 915 01:40:21,760 --> 01:40:23,199 That's just how high schools are, right? 916 01:40:23,199 --> 01:40:26,880 They don't give you that degree J O. 917 01:40:26,880 --> 01:40:27,840 >> Yeah. 918 01:40:27,840 --> 01:40:29,760 >> Mr. Mitchell. 919 01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:31,760 Um, I think the biggest takeaway from 920 01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:33,929 this and what Dan pointed out is 921 01:40:33,929 --> 01:40:35,040 [clears throat] 922 01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:36,320 when you break it down into these 923 01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:39,199 sections, we want hard clad. 924 01:40:39,199 --> 01:40:40,400 We want to know who is going to be 925 01:40:40,400 --> 01:40:44,159 responsible for delivering this section 926 01:40:44,159 --> 01:40:45,840 and we we want to be able to go to that 927 01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:47,520 person and we want to be able to see it 928 01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:51,760 happening. Um, I would be cur and and 929 01:40:51,760 --> 01:40:53,520 he's also right in saying that it's not 930 01:40:53,520 --> 01:40:56,080 our place to set that up. staff's place, 931 01:40:56,080 --> 01:40:57,760 but it is our place to say, well, you 932 01:40:57,760 --> 01:40:59,920 know, along the way, we want to see 933 01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:01,600 this. We want to see how this is 934 01:41:01,600 --> 01:41:03,679 progressing. We want a we want you to 935 01:41:03,679 --> 01:41:06,000 take these five pieces and we want 936 01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:08,400 updates on them. I would be curious for 937 01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:12,000 staff to take this 938 01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:14,159 cross reference with the school system 939 01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:16,400 and write in on these things. Who do you 940 01:41:16,400 --> 01:41:19,840 see doing this? Who do you see hand in 941 01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:21,840 the the way you're visioning it now? Who 942 01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:23,710 do you see handling this? Who do 943 01:41:23,710 --> 01:41:25,199 [clears throat] you see handling this? 944 01:41:25,199 --> 01:41:26,960 Who do you think you're going to need? 945 01:41:26,960 --> 01:41:28,320 And you know, at the at the end of the 946 01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:29,760 day, you're going to run into this wall 947 01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,159 of the schools. They're going to have 948 01:41:32,159 --> 01:41:33,600 this curriculum. I'm sure it's set by 949 01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:34,960 the state and stuff and things that have 950 01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:37,199 to go into the CTE. We can't we can't 951 01:41:37,199 --> 01:41:38,639 decide that for ourselves, but that'd be 952 01:41:38,639 --> 01:41:40,480 good information, too. So, you know, you 953 01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:41,920 go to the pieces of say, "Okay, so 954 01:41:41,920 --> 01:41:43,679 program education, that's the school 955 01:41:43,679 --> 01:41:45,920 system side. Who do they see?" And, you 956 01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:46,800 know, [clears throat] and go down 957 01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:48,320 through there and show us that who they 958 01:41:48,320 --> 01:41:49,520 plan on delivering it. And [snorts] if 959 01:41:49,520 --> 01:41:51,840 they're thinking we need if we need to 960 01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:53,760 work this project executive into it, we 961 01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:56,560 need to we need to decide that because I 962 01:41:56,560 --> 01:41:58,239 can also see where you're looking down 963 01:41:58,239 --> 01:42:00,800 the line and we get five years down the 964 01:42:00,800 --> 01:42:02,960 road and like we we missed this. We 965 01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:05,199 didn't we didn't pay any attention to 966 01:42:05,199 --> 01:42:08,400 this at all. And maybe if we'd have had 967 01:42:08,400 --> 01:42:10,080 if we had somebody's name written right 968 01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:11,280 here, we'd say, "Oh, we missed this 969 01:42:11,280 --> 01:42:13,520 part. Let's go find this guy and ask him 970 01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:15,679 what why didn't you do this?" 971 01:42:15,679 --> 01:42:16,880 >> That's exactly what's going to happen, 972 01:42:16,880 --> 01:42:18,560 Nick. down the road there's a piece 973 01:42:18,560 --> 01:42:19,920 missing. We didn't do this. 974 01:42:19,920 --> 01:42:21,760 >> I can and why didn't we do it? And then 975 01:42:21,760 --> 01:42:23,440 you're blaming somebody. Right now you 976 01:42:23,440 --> 01:42:25,679 have a chance midcourse set it up like 977 01:42:25,679 --> 01:42:27,520 you said who's doing all these pieces. 978 01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:29,119 It'd be very interesting to look at. 979 01:42:29,119 --> 01:42:31,119 >> So I I would like to see staff, you 980 01:42:31,119 --> 01:42:32,639 know, and take the and make the changes 981 01:42:32,639 --> 01:42:34,400 you think. I I mean Dan's is just a 982 01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:37,119 template. Take it and go with the school 983 01:42:37,119 --> 01:42:40,320 systems and and see see how y'all vision 984 01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:42,639 these things working out. 985 01:42:42,639 --> 01:42:44,880 >> So thank you. Is that all Mr. Mitchell? 986 01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:45,520 >> Yes, ma'am. 987 01:42:45,520 --> 01:42:47,600 >> Um Mr. Mr. Quinn, again, thank you for 988 01:42:47,600 --> 01:42:51,360 this. Um, I have done, um, two major 989 01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:54,080 middle school renovation projects in my 990 01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:57,040 career, and I think what you've laid out 991 01:42:57,040 --> 01:43:00,719 is precisely, um, the mapping of 992 01:43:00,719 --> 01:43:03,040 ensuring that we will have a quality, 993 01:43:03,040 --> 01:43:04,880 wellexecuted 994 01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:07,920 project. Um, this is a generational 995 01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:10,320 project for our citizens, businesses, 996 01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:13,760 and especially our students. Um, and I I 997 01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:15,440 really do think, you know, I've always 998 01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:17,840 been a big proponent of a construction 999 01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:21,920 project manager. This project, as I have 1000 01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:23,520 reviewed it, and when you shared your 1001 01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:25,760 slides with me and so forth, this 1002 01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:29,280 project is is reaching beyond the more 1003 01:43:29,280 --> 01:43:31,760 thought I've given it, beyond the, you 1004 01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:33,600 know, the typical um construction 1005 01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:35,760 manager approach. They're certainly 1006 01:43:35,760 --> 01:43:38,400 inshed in this. Uh but with regard to 1007 01:43:38,400 --> 01:43:40,480 things like curriculum, the schools are 1008 01:43:40,480 --> 01:43:43,040 going to have to be at the table without 1009 01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:46,080 question with Mr. Bumgardner in, you 1010 01:43:46,080 --> 01:43:47,520 know, looking at what we're doing 1011 01:43:47,520 --> 01:43:50,639 curriculum wise. Uh but to me, in 1012 01:43:50,639 --> 01:43:52,239 developing the programmatic phase of 1013 01:43:52,239 --> 01:43:55,040 this project, it's going to have to be 1014 01:43:55,040 --> 01:43:58,400 that we're doing that 50 mile um you 1015 01:43:58,400 --> 01:44:00,400 know, circumference of business 1016 01:44:00,400 --> 01:44:02,560 interviews. it's going to have to be 1017 01:44:02,560 --> 01:44:04,880 that we are trying to caucus our 1018 01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:07,199 families and students at the high school 1019 01:44:07,199 --> 01:44:10,880 level. Um, and looking um, you know, 1020 01:44:10,880 --> 01:44:12,239 looking beyond what we're currently 1021 01:44:12,239 --> 01:44:14,000 doing, what what with what we're doing, 1022 01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:15,840 what's working, where the waiting list, 1023 01:44:15,840 --> 01:44:18,239 etc. But I also think a big piece of 1024 01:44:18,239 --> 01:44:20,639 this because we've we've talked about 1025 01:44:20,639 --> 01:44:23,440 this school and this project being so 1026 01:44:23,440 --> 01:44:26,239 generationally driven. Um, I think that 1027 01:44:26,239 --> 01:44:28,159 we've got to make sure we're we're doing 1028 01:44:28,159 --> 01:44:31,040 this project with vision in mind. Um and 1029 01:44:31,040 --> 01:44:32,880 that is going to come in large part I 1030 01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:34,639 think from seeing what the businesses in 1031 01:44:34,639 --> 01:44:37,440 today's world are demanding and 1032 01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:39,840 expecting out of their employees. um 1033 01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:41,920 from the inception of this discussion, 1034 01:44:41,920 --> 01:44:45,040 you know, gosh, a long time ago, uh we 1035 01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:46,800 talked about this business modeling 1036 01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:49,040 approach, you know, to bring if a 1037 01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:51,040 business wants to partner, you know, 1038 01:44:51,040 --> 01:44:53,040 with Franklin County that we could set 1039 01:44:53,040 --> 01:44:55,280 them up, um and we could bring students 1040 01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:57,920 in on a mentoring basis and then maybe 1041 01:44:57,920 --> 01:44:59,679 somewhere along the way we could ensure 1042 01:44:59,679 --> 01:45:01,679 that student or that company could say 1043 01:45:01,679 --> 01:45:03,360 if you train and you get, you know, you 1044 01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:06,080 get your certification, we want you, you 1045 01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:08,719 know, it it's more intentional, right? 1046 01:45:08,719 --> 01:45:12,800 So, um I think I am in support of the 1047 01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:15,360 project executive position. One question 1048 01:45:15,360 --> 01:45:18,639 I do have is how do you see because I 1049 01:45:18,639 --> 01:45:20,400 I'm I'm thinking are you vision 1050 01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:22,880 envisioning this as a contractual 1051 01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:25,600 position or full-time employee? 1052 01:45:25,600 --> 01:45:27,920 >> I I believe it's a full-time role. 1053 01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:30,080 >> And what do they do after this? Well, 1054 01:45:30,080 --> 01:45:32,080 that so that part I'm not sure about 1055 01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:34,639 because when I think about the person 1056 01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:37,040 that I need to manage the this whole 1057 01:45:37,040 --> 01:45:39,840 project as it is today, that's that's 1058 01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:42,960 one person. But then I see, okay, now 1059 01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:45,840 the school's built, right? We this Bry's 1060 01:45:45,840 --> 01:45:48,719 box is is facilities management. It's a 1061 01:45:48,719 --> 01:45:51,280 Bry's box goes from a massive 1062 01:45:51,280 --> 01:45:54,560 undertaking to a tiny piece. And so I 1063 01:45:54,560 --> 01:45:56,800 see that that person could change over 1064 01:45:56,800 --> 01:45:59,520 time. Or maybe maybe Steve and Dr. Sears 1065 01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:01,119 decide they don't need that person. I 1066 01:46:01,119 --> 01:46:02,159 still think you'll need that person 1067 01:46:02,159 --> 01:46:05,040 going forward, but I do see I do see the 1068 01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:06,719 roles and responsibilities for that 1069 01:46:06,719 --> 01:46:08,960 person changing and so we'd have to see 1070 01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:10,639 if the person you put in there in the 1071 01:46:10,639 --> 01:46:12,960 beginning was able to transition to this 1072 01:46:12,960 --> 01:46:15,679 new role or not. I I can't predict that. 1073 01:46:15,679 --> 01:46:17,760 >> Well, I've seen some localities that 1074 01:46:17,760 --> 01:46:21,600 have a pro a CIP, you know, project 1075 01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:24,159 leader, if you will. um you know 1076 01:46:24,159 --> 01:46:25,920 certainly involved at the project 1077 01:46:25,920 --> 01:46:28,480 construction and development level but 1078 01:46:28,480 --> 01:46:31,440 that person continuing in an oversight 1079 01:46:31,440 --> 01:46:33,600 role all the while I mean if if we get 1080 01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:37,199 this 1% we'll be able to you know 1081 01:46:37,199 --> 01:46:39,760 consecutively work on school projects 1082 01:46:39,760 --> 01:46:41,920 that are going to require you know what 1083 01:46:41,920 --> 01:46:43,920 we feel is an accountable and efficient 1084 01:46:43,920 --> 01:46:46,639 measure. Brandy is excellent. We're so 1085 01:46:46,639 --> 01:46:48,960 blessed to have you. [clears throat] Um 1086 01:46:48,960 --> 01:46:52,480 and Steve has a full plate. Um, and I 1087 01:46:52,480 --> 01:46:54,639 think my message is is we want to make 1088 01:46:54,639 --> 01:46:57,040 sure that the burden on our staff is not 1089 01:46:57,040 --> 01:47:01,040 so great. Um, that, you know, we're all 1090 01:47:01,040 --> 01:47:03,920 human. Um, and I think that this board's 1091 01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,480 got a responsibility to make sure that 1092 01:47:06,480 --> 01:47:10,400 the money um that we uh extend on this 1093 01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:14,159 project um is money that's efficiently 1094 01:47:14,159 --> 01:47:16,400 uh scoped out and that it's producing 1095 01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:19,440 the results um that we expect it to be. 1096 01:47:19,440 --> 01:47:21,440 with those expectations being out, you 1097 01:47:21,440 --> 01:47:24,159 know, put out in the front commencement 1098 01:47:24,159 --> 01:47:27,600 of the project. So, um I I like this 1099 01:47:27,600 --> 01:47:31,600 very much. Um I I do think just this is 1100 01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:33,440 very preliminary thinking and I don't 1101 01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:35,520 mean to be redundant, but I do think 1102 01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:37,920 that this position could take some 1103 01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:39,679 roles. I mean, when I think about what's 1104 01:47:39,679 --> 01:47:42,159 going on at the landfill, you know, when 1105 01:47:42,159 --> 01:47:44,000 I think about, you know, the capital 1106 01:47:44,000 --> 01:47:46,159 improvement projects that will be going 1107 01:47:46,159 --> 01:47:48,719 on in public safety, when we think 1108 01:47:48,719 --> 01:47:50,960 about, you know, more uh infrastructure 1109 01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:54,000 type projects at Summit View, um our 1110 01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:56,719 park system and so forth, I think that 1111 01:47:56,719 --> 01:47:59,119 there are roles um that could be 1112 01:47:59,119 --> 01:48:02,560 redefined perhaps um and utilized um 1113 01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:05,119 under the you know the opaces of capital 1114 01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:08,239 improvement planning. So that's kind of 1115 01:48:08,239 --> 01:48:10,639 me just kind of taking a first blush 1116 01:48:10,639 --> 01:48:12,560 look at that that question that I asked 1117 01:48:12,560 --> 01:48:14,400 you. Um but uh 1118 01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:16,880 >> and and I agree I agree with that. Just 1119 01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:18,320 going back for a second like how do you 1120 01:48:18,320 --> 01:48:20,639 see this project executive evolving? One 1121 01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:23,280 thing I would say is I see that person 1122 01:48:23,280 --> 01:48:25,679 always being needed because you have the 1123 01:48:25,679 --> 01:48:27,840 school and the county and lots of stuff 1124 01:48:27,840 --> 01:48:29,920 going on in two places and how do you 1125 01:48:29,920 --> 01:48:31,679 make how do you have somebody at the top 1126 01:48:31,679 --> 01:48:34,000 that's overseeing what's going on? 1127 01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:36,239 >> Yeah. and the curriculum piece, you 1128 01:48:36,239 --> 01:48:38,880 know, the schools and, you know, should 1129 01:48:38,880 --> 01:48:41,840 have a large, you know, play a large 1130 01:48:41,840 --> 01:48:44,080 role in curriculum. This is what they 1131 01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:47,280 do. Um, and then you've got your SOQs, 1132 01:48:47,280 --> 01:48:48,460 um, that have, you know, defined, 1133 01:48:48,460 --> 01:48:49,520 [clears throat] 1134 01:48:49,520 --> 01:48:52,159 um, expectations and eligibilities for 1135 01:48:52,159 --> 01:48:54,000 CTE programs for the students in the 1136 01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:57,199 Commonwealth. So, but there's also those 1137 01:48:57,199 --> 01:48:59,040 other avenues that we're discussing 1138 01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:01,199 which you know that to me the curriculum 1139 01:49:01,199 --> 01:49:02,800 piece the program and education piece 1140 01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:05,840 you articulate to me that really becomes 1141 01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:08,960 a a very collaborative discussion with 1142 01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:12,159 the school system with Curtis with doing 1143 01:49:12,159 --> 01:49:14,480 all of those exercises internally within 1144 01:49:14,480 --> 01:49:16,960 the school division to assess where 1145 01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,520 they've been where they are um you know 1146 01:49:19,520 --> 01:49:22,719 the solicitation of of surveys and what 1147 01:49:22,719 --> 01:49:25,520 have you um so I I think you know we 1148 01:49:25,520 --> 01:49:27,199 went into this project saying you know 1149 01:49:27,199 --> 01:49:29,520 the board of supervisors is going to 1150 01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:31,760 manage this project when I think this 1151 01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:34,080 board has been very intentional about 1152 01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:36,639 that. Um and the schools are our partner 1153 01:49:36,639 --> 01:49:39,199 in this without question. And I think 1154 01:49:39,199 --> 01:49:40,560 the schools are going to be able to 1155 01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:44,000 integrate uh and complement the work um 1156 01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:47,040 from a curriculum standpoint and for 1157 01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:50,080 identification of need and to help um 1158 01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:53,600 put that that wide net out um you know 1159 01:49:53,600 --> 01:49:55,840 to work with the county and economic 1160 01:49:55,840 --> 01:49:58,080 development office and with Brandy to 1161 01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:00,159 make you know to ascertain all of those 1162 01:50:00,159 --> 01:50:02,480 more detailed questions. But in a in a 1163 01:50:02,480 --> 01:50:05,440 model that's set up like this, um, to 1164 01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:09,840 me, it gives me confidence that we'll 1165 01:50:09,840 --> 01:50:11,600 get the overview and we'll be able to 1166 01:50:11,600 --> 01:50:13,280 see what's balancing and what's not 1167 01:50:13,280 --> 01:50:15,520 balancing, you know, and we'll have an 1168 01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:17,119 accountability piece built in through 1169 01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:19,920 that project executive. Um, so I like 1170 01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:22,080 this and I appreciate your time in 1171 01:50:22,080 --> 01:50:23,360 putting this together. 1172 01:50:23,360 --> 01:50:24,960 >> Yeah. And the curriculum piece, it's 1173 01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:27,040 incredibly complicated, I think. Um, 1174 01:50:27,040 --> 01:50:29,679 it's where that's where where a lot of 1175 01:50:29,679 --> 01:50:31,760 decisions have to be made and 1176 01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:34,639 >> and you know I I think back to my my 1177 01:50:34,639 --> 01:50:37,199 discussions with Dr. Hodgeges and 1178 01:50:37,199 --> 01:50:38,960 >> and and the comment about we need to 1179 01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:41,280 pull the students. He said you know 1180 01:50:41,280 --> 01:50:43,360 every year they come to me and they say 1181 01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:45,360 they want dental hygienists. They want a 1182 01:50:45,360 --> 01:50:47,280 dental hygienist program. And he said 1183 01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:49,360 we've surveyed the whole area and we 1184 01:50:49,360 --> 01:50:50,639 only need three. Yeah. 1185 01:50:50,639 --> 01:50:54,400 >> And so we need 12 people. We need a 1186 01:50:54,400 --> 01:50:57,600 demand of 12 dental hygienists before we 1187 01:50:57,600 --> 01:51:00,239 will offer a course. Now, maybe our 1188 01:51:00,239 --> 01:51:03,600 rigor isn't exactly what Dr. Hajes does, 1189 01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:05,360 but you can still think about it and 1190 01:51:05,360 --> 01:51:07,520 say, "Wow, do I really want to offer a 1191 01:51:07,520 --> 01:51:09,760 dental hygienist program if we only need 1192 01:51:09,760 --> 01:51:11,360 three? Where are the other nine people 1193 01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:12,800 going to go?" You know, or you're are 1194 01:51:12,800 --> 01:51:14,239 you really going to teach a program for 1195 01:51:14,239 --> 01:51:16,719 three? And and also I the other comment 1196 01:51:16,719 --> 01:51:20,159 I I'm a huge fan of focusing on the 1197 01:51:20,159 --> 01:51:23,360 business needs with the student demands 1198 01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:26,320 almost being secondary and and maybe it 1199 01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:28,239 can't be as strong as that. Maybe you 1200 01:51:28,239 --> 01:51:30,000 have to build some of those student 1201 01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:32,000 needs in but but to the extent you're 1202 01:51:32,000 --> 01:51:33,600 doing that they're coming out of the 1203 01:51:33,600 --> 01:51:35,280 program without a job. Are they okay 1204 01:51:35,280 --> 01:51:36,880 with that? You know that and and but 1205 01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:38,639 that whole the whole curriculum it's 1206 01:51:38,639 --> 01:51:42,480 really in two boxes here. And maybe one box ends up being all about 1207 01:51:42,480 --> 01:51:43,920 curriculum. I'm not really sure. That's 1208 01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:45,920 why I said these five boxes are in my 1209 01:51:45,920 --> 01:51:47,440 mind they're kind of fluid. They're not 1210 01:51:47,440 --> 01:51:49,599 fixed, but that that guy at the top or 1211 01:51:49,599 --> 01:51:51,679 woman at the top is the one that would 1212 01:51:51,679 --> 01:51:53,840 >> Yeah. I mean, we've got to be responsive 1213 01:51:53,840 --> 01:51:56,239 to the needs of Franklin County and 1214 01:51:56,239 --> 01:51:58,800 surrounding areas in terms of that net, 1215 01:51:58,800 --> 01:52:00,960 you know, going out over the business 1216 01:52:00,960 --> 01:52:04,560 communities. Um, and we know things here 1217 01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:07,840 in our county that we do well. and you 1218 01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:10,400 know and I can see that maybe this new 1219 01:52:10,400 --> 01:52:12,822 CTE uh center and the associated 1220 01:52:12,822 --> 01:52:14,480 [clears throat] curriculum could be on a 1221 01:52:14,480 --> 01:52:17,840 continuum with Patrick and Henry um that 1222 01:52:17,840 --> 01:52:19,119 you know that there is clear 1223 01:52:19,119 --> 01:52:20,560 communication and deliberate and 1224 01:52:20,560 --> 01:52:23,199 intentional planning curriculum to build 1225 01:52:23,199 --> 01:52:25,679 to the secondary level. So, I think I 1226 01:52:25,679 --> 01:52:27,840 think the sky's is the limit in terms of 1227 01:52:27,840 --> 01:52:32,639 what we can do, but I don't think and my position is we we need as much 1228 01:52:32,639 --> 01:52:35,040 information, guidance, and oversight as 1229 01:52:35,040 --> 01:52:37,840 we can get. Um, and we'll have an 1230 01:52:37,840 --> 01:52:40,480 outstanding generational project as an 1231 01:52:40,480 --> 01:52:41,520 outcome. 1232 01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:41,920 >> Good. 1233 01:52:41,920 --> 01:52:43,760 >> Anybody else have anything? Mr. Carter, 1234 01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:43,920 I 1235 01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:45,760 >> I don't disagree with a lot of what's 1236 01:52:45,760 --> 01:52:48,960 been said here, but and and I think 1237 01:52:48,960 --> 01:52:51,440 maybe a project executive might be a 1238 01:52:51,440 --> 01:52:54,400 good thing for this, but I personally 1239 01:52:54,400 --> 01:52:57,360 don't see us creating a full-time 1240 01:52:57,360 --> 01:53:00,239 another growing government, highpaying 1241 01:53:00,239 --> 01:53:01,599 county [clears throat] position when 1242 01:53:01,599 --> 01:53:04,480 we've got Brandy, uh the school systems 1243 01:53:04,480 --> 01:53:08,719 got Curtis and Mr. law. I think a 1244 01:53:08,719 --> 01:53:10,800 project executive might be good to get 1245 01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:12,719 us through this, but 1246 01:53:12,719 --> 01:53:16,320 >> I don't see that myself as a long-term 1247 01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:17,119 >> position. 1248 01:53:17,119 --> 01:53:20,080 >> Okay. I think that's a great point. Um, 1249 01:53:20,080 --> 01:53:22,080 that's why I started out by asking if it 1250 01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:23,440 was your opinion that it be 1251 01:53:23,440 --> 01:53:26,000 contractually driven or on a full-time 1252 01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:28,000 employee basis. And, you know, I think 1253 01:53:28,000 --> 01:53:32,239 that there are variables within that decision alone that need to be 1254 01:53:32,239 --> 01:53:34,719 explored. um you know, just so we get 1255 01:53:34,719 --> 01:53:36,880 the outcomes we're looking for. 1256 01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:39,040 >> And I'm not trying to crush it. I just 1257 01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:39,360 think 1258 01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:40,320 >> No, you're fine. 1259 01:53:40,320 --> 01:53:42,159 >> We're [clears throat] growing government 1260 01:53:42,159 --> 01:53:44,000 here and I don't much like that. 1261 01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:45,440 >> So, would you be in favor of a 1262 01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:46,960 contractual 1263 01:53:46,960 --> 01:53:48,639 >> position at this level? 1264 01:53:48,639 --> 01:53:49,119 >> Probably. 1265 01:53:49,119 --> 01:53:51,119 >> I mean, we're just conjecture today. 1266 01:53:51,119 --> 01:53:53,199 We're just in conjecture. Uh and 1267 01:53:53,199 --> 01:53:54,960 >> I for me, it'd be easy to make that 1268 01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:57,520 decision once I see Steve's thoughts on 1269 01:53:57,520 --> 01:53:59,760 going through and seeing what they come 1270 01:53:59,760 --> 01:54:00,719 back and say. 1271 01:54:00,719 --> 01:54:03,520 >> Absolutely. Yeah. just there's another 1272 01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:06,800 burden for you to carry. [laughter] 1273 01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:08,639 >> Um do you have anything to say, Mr. 1274 01:54:08,639 --> 01:54:09,599 Sandy? 1275 01:54:09,599 --> 01:54:12,480 >> Well, I I have a lot of thoughts. I 1276 01:54:12,480 --> 01:54:15,520 mean, I think um you know, we we had 1277 01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:18,719 talked briefly and I think he's hit 1278 01:54:18,719 --> 01:54:20,639 a lot of those highlights and a lot of 1279 01:54:20,639 --> 01:54:22,400 the pillars of what we need to consider 1280 01:54:22,400 --> 01:54:26,159 through the CTE project. I think I I 1281 01:54:26,159 --> 01:54:28,639 appreciate um Mr. Mitchell's comments. I 1282 01:54:28,639 --> 01:54:30,880 think let us let us take this and kind 1283 01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:33,119 of work through it because I think what 1284 01:54:33,119 --> 01:54:34,880 you'll find is we're already doing a 1285 01:54:34,880 --> 01:54:36,159 number of these things, 1286 01:54:36,159 --> 01:54:36,719 >> okay, 1287 01:54:36,719 --> 01:54:38,880 >> that maybe you you just aren't aware of 1288 01:54:38,880 --> 01:54:41,360 that are happening. And so I think but I 1289 01:54:41,360 --> 01:54:43,040 think what we will find is through this 1290 01:54:43,040 --> 01:54:45,119 process, we'll find some of those pieces 1291 01:54:45,119 --> 01:54:47,280 and nuggets that, you know, either we 1292 01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:48,639 didn't think of or we're not spending 1293 01:54:48,639 --> 01:54:52,480 enough attention on. But, you know, we could come back like I could have 1294 01:54:52,480 --> 01:54:54,159 Danny and probably don't want to do it 1295 01:54:54,159 --> 01:54:55,599 today, but I could have her come up and 1296 01:54:55,599 --> 01:54:57,119 speak to all the partnerships that are 1297 01:54:57,119 --> 01:54:59,360 currently in place and how the high 1298 01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:00,560 school is already working with the 1299 01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:02,239 community college on certain programs. 1300 01:55:02,239 --> 01:55:04,560 And so, a lot of those things are, you 1301 01:55:04,560 --> 01:55:05,679 know, already in place. So, I don't want 1302 01:55:05,679 --> 01:55:07,840 it to sound like uh, you know, this work 1303 01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:10,480 session to sound like none of this is 1304 01:55:10,480 --> 01:55:13,199 being considered or is being, you know, 1305 01:55:13,199 --> 01:55:15,280 planned because that's certainly not the 1306 01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:18,480 case here. And so I think great advice 1307 01:55:18,480 --> 01:55:21,119 to take this kind of put put the names 1308 01:55:21,119 --> 01:55:23,199 to and the folks who would be working on 1309 01:55:23,199 --> 01:55:24,880 these types of things and these type of 1310 01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:27,840 activities and kind of be able to report 1311 01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:30,080 back to you guys kind of with some 1312 01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:32,239 additional thoughts of of areas we need 1313 01:55:32,239 --> 01:55:33,920 to spend more attention on and areas 1314 01:55:33,920 --> 01:55:36,719 that maybe weren't considered and then I 1315 01:55:36,719 --> 01:55:38,800 think that can lead us to hey we do need 1316 01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:41,119 some help here or the school needs help 1317 01:55:41,119 --> 01:55:43,679 over here for this particular aspect of 1318 01:55:43,679 --> 01:55:46,719 >> so I think yeah I a lot of great ideas 1319 01:55:46,719 --> 01:55:48,560 and and we probably talked an hour and a 1320 01:55:48,560 --> 01:55:51,679 half when when we first looked at it um 1321 01:55:51,679 --> 01:55:53,280 you know with just kind of thinking 1322 01:55:53,280 --> 01:55:54,800 through all the different things and 1323 01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:57,040 I'll just reiterate it's a a very 1324 01:55:57,040 --> 01:55:59,520 complex project and and this is only the 1325 01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:01,840 CTE part so I don't want us to also lose 1326 01:56:01,840 --> 01:56:03,360 focus of the rest of the building 1327 01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:03,840 >> exactly 1328 01:56:03,840 --> 01:56:06,000 >> that that we're also working on and and 1329 01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:07,520 developing and so there's going to be 1330 01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:09,760 things that we have to decide 1331 01:56:09,760 --> 01:56:12,080 >> in particular with the CTE is this the 1332 01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:14,239 school's facility 1333 01:56:14,239 --> 01:56:15,679 is it owned by the county and the 1334 01:56:15,679 --> 01:56:17,119 schools are leasing it. Is it a 1335 01:56:17,119 --> 01:56:18,639 community college? Is it shared with the 1336 01:56:18,639 --> 01:56:20,000 community college? I mean, all those 1337 01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:21,760 kind of things will have to be part of 1338 01:56:21,760 --> 01:56:24,000 that discussion when it comes to the 1339 01:56:24,000 --> 01:56:25,920 school system project. You know, 1340 01:56:25,920 --> 01:56:28,719 typically those CTE centers, it's a 1341 01:56:28,719 --> 01:56:30,639 school project and it's a school 1342 01:56:30,639 --> 01:56:32,800 facility. This is a little different 1343 01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:34,719 just because of the the makeup of the 1344 01:56:34,719 --> 01:56:36,800 property and the building, you know, and 1345 01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:38,320 when we start talking about having 1346 01:56:38,320 --> 01:56:40,080 spaces for economic development and for 1347 01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:43,040 businesses, that changes that, you know, 1348 01:56:43,040 --> 01:56:44,800 changes that structure a little bit and 1349 01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:46,480 it makes it a little more challenging 1350 01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:48,000 when you have those different 1351 01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:50,159 relationships. And so all those things I 1352 01:56:50,159 --> 01:56:51,679 think we can work through, but those are 1353 01:56:51,679 --> 01:56:53,280 the the things that we'll have to 1354 01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:54,639 consider. And that's where these folks 1355 01:56:54,639 --> 01:56:59,520 are already working on a number of those concepts and and parts 1356 01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:00,159 of the 1357 01:57:00,159 --> 01:57:03,040 >> if you and staff could work on that 1358 01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:06,159 >> um and um I think and then draw a 1359 01:57:06,159 --> 01:57:08,960 comparative model from what you're going 1360 01:57:08,960 --> 01:57:11,506 to provide that we already are doing or 1361 01:57:11,506 --> 01:57:13,199 [clears throat] have scoped out and 1362 01:57:13,199 --> 01:57:17,760 overlay that with uh Dan's um uh you 1363 01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:20,880 know his his u chart here and and his 1364 01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:23,679 vision for this and see where potential 1365 01:57:23,679 --> 01:57:24,800 gaps are. 1366 01:57:24,800 --> 01:57:28,480 >> Um, one thing, um, we in government have 1367 01:57:28,480 --> 01:57:31,679 a really good knack at doing things at a 1368 01:57:31,679 --> 01:57:33,599 snail's pace 1369 01:57:33,599 --> 01:57:36,320 >> and, um, I'm feeling a little bit of a 1370 01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:39,199 sense of urgency um, to get this project 1371 01:57:39,199 --> 01:57:42,320 moving and um, there are things that 1372 01:57:42,320 --> 01:57:45,920 could be done now um, that's more on the 1373 01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:49,040 research oriented side um, you know, 1374 01:57:49,040 --> 01:57:51,440 without coming to some definite hard 1375 01:57:51,440 --> 01:57:53,920 conclusions. Um, but we've got to figure 1376 01:57:53,920 --> 01:57:55,599 out the things that we can start pulling 1377 01:57:55,599 --> 01:57:57,920 the trigger on while we're making these 1378 01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:00,080 decisions because, you know, I'm not 1379 01:58:00,080 --> 01:58:01,440 interested in waiting three or four 1380 01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:04,320 years, um, you know, for this project to 1381 01:58:04,320 --> 01:58:06,400 be built. Um, I think we've got to get 1382 01:58:06,400 --> 01:58:08,320 on it and we've got to be efficient 1383 01:58:08,320 --> 01:58:09,920 about it and we've got to be very 1384 01:58:09,920 --> 01:58:11,920 intentional about it. Do you agree with 1385 01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:12,719 that, Mr. Quinn? 1386 01:58:12,719 --> 01:58:14,080 >> 100%. Okay. 1387 01:58:14,080 --> 01:58:17,199 >> 100%. Because I see I see Brandy getting 1388 01:58:17,199 --> 01:58:19,280 to a point where all of a sudden she 1389 01:58:19,280 --> 01:58:20,080 needs this. 1390 01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:21,040 >> Yeah. Exactly. 1391 01:58:21,040 --> 01:58:23,119 >> Well, who's working on Well, nobody's 1392 01:58:23,119 --> 01:58:24,400 working on that, so we'll start it 1393 01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:26,159 today. Well, now it takes three months 1394 01:58:26,159 --> 01:58:27,360 to do whatever that is. 1395 01:58:27,360 --> 01:58:29,520 >> And Bry's got a job. She does a lot of 1396 01:58:29,520 --> 01:58:31,199 other things, right? 1397 01:58:31,199 --> 01:58:32,800 >> And she's grinning at me. I know she's 1398 01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:35,346 like going, "Yes, somebody said that." 1399 01:58:35,346 --> 01:58:36,800 [laughter] But, uh, so Dan, thank you. 1400 01:58:36,800 --> 01:58:38,639 >> Yeah. So, Steve, in addition to doing 1401 01:58:38,639 --> 01:58:41,040 Nick articulated that piece really well. 1402 01:58:41,040 --> 01:58:43,440 Could you come back and tell us the 1403 01:58:43,440 --> 01:58:45,679 leadership model that you see for this? 1404 01:58:45,679 --> 01:58:47,280 Like, do you agree it's a project 1405 01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:48,960 executive or not? You have another 1406 01:58:48,960 --> 01:58:53,199 alternative. and and that that that if you did agree, what would a job 1407 01:58:53,199 --> 01:58:55,040 description look like for that person in 1408 01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:56,080 your ideal world? 1409 01:58:56,080 --> 01:58:56,719 >> Sure. 1410 01:58:56,719 --> 01:58:57,440 >> Okay. Thanks. 1411 01:58:57,440 --> 01:58:59,280 >> All right. Thank you so much, Dan. We 1412 01:58:59,280 --> 01:59:02,080 appreciate it. Um, any other questions 1413 01:59:02,080 --> 01:59:04,239 or comments before we move on? 1414 01:59:04,239 --> 01:59:06,400 >> I think the biggest I I'm probably just 1415 01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:07,840 repeating myself, but I just want to say 1416 01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:09,840 it again. The biggest takeaway from this 1417 01:59:09,840 --> 01:59:12,159 is set deliverables. 1418 01:59:12,159 --> 01:59:12,719 >> Yes. 1419 01:59:12,719 --> 01:59:14,080 >> For each section. Yes. 1420 01:59:14,080 --> 01:59:16,560 >> And what person is responsible for 1421 01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:17,199 those. 1422 01:59:17,199 --> 01:59:18,960 >> That's right. I think that's the biggest 1423 01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:20,080 takeaway from this 1424 01:59:20,080 --> 01:59:22,960 >> and they make it measurable and we can 1425 01:59:22,960 --> 01:59:23,679 track progress 1426 01:59:23,679 --> 01:59:25,920 >> and we want to know how it h how they 1427 01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:27,199 came to it and who did it. 1428 01:59:27,199 --> 01:59:30,239 >> Correct. Agreed upon. I think the board 1429 01:59:30,239 --> 01:59:32,480 um you all are in agreement with that. 1430 01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:33,520 Mr. Carter. 1431 01:59:33,520 --> 01:59:34,000 >> Yes. 1432 01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:36,000 >> Okay. Very good. All right. We're going 1433 01:59:36,000 --> 01:59:38,080 to move on. Uh the next item on our 1434 01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:39,840 agenda, Mr. Sandy, did that conclude 1435 01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:42,239 your remarks first? I may have cut you 1436 01:59:42,239 --> 01:59:42,639 off. 1437 01:59:42,639 --> 01:59:43,119 >> No. 1438 01:59:43,119 --> 01:59:46,320 >> You you Okay. Okay. Uh the next item on 1439 01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:49,119 our agenda, um we've got Lisa Cooper 1440 01:59:49,119 --> 01:59:52,080 coming up. Um and we're going to uh I 1441 01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:54,159 know Mr. Evans is here, the chair of the 1442 01:59:54,159 --> 01:59:56,320 planning commission. Welcome, uh Mr. 1443 01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:58,719 Evans to the meeting. Um and we're going 1444 01:59:58,719 --> 02:00:00,800 to have I believe an overview or an 1445 02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:03,679 update on the zoning rewrite. 1446 02:00:03,679 --> 02:00:06,719 >> Yep. Let me I'll I'll maybe frame just 1447 02:00:06,719 --> 02:00:08,080 some reference. So, the first thing we 1448 02:00:08,080 --> 02:00:11,599 did want to just touch on is um just I 1449 02:00:11,599 --> 02:00:14,639 think maybe the shorter conversation is 1450 02:00:14,639 --> 02:00:17,679 um the planning commission did a 2232 1451 02:00:17,679 --> 02:00:19,440 review, a comprehensive plan review of a 1452 02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:22,000 cell tower recently and just under state 1453 02:00:22,000 --> 02:00:24,960 code and and Mr. Mr. Da can jump in if I 1454 02:00:24,960 --> 02:00:26,960 misspeak at all, but under state code, 1455 02:00:26,960 --> 02:00:28,800 the planning commission decision whether 1456 02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:31,599 it's in conformance with the plan stands 1457 02:00:31,599 --> 02:00:34,159 and moves forward unless the board uh 1458 02:00:34,159 --> 02:00:35,520 decides they want to hold their own 1459 02:00:35,520 --> 02:00:37,920 public hearing and and review the 1460 02:00:37,920 --> 02:00:40,880 request. And so I think Mr. Dak, I think 1461 02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:43,520 it's a 30-day that the board kind of has 1462 02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:45,199 to decide if they want to take it up or 1463 02:00:45,199 --> 02:00:48,000 not. um you know and so since they just 1464 02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:50,880 took the action uh what last week Lisa 1465 02:00:50,880 --> 02:00:52,320 we just wanted to bring it to the board 1466 02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:54,639 for the board's attention and possible 1467 02:00:54,639 --> 02:00:56,400 direction on moving forward 1468 02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:58,560 >> no statuto deadline absent an appeal 1469 02:00:58,560 --> 02:01:00,639 there's an appeal you have 60 days to 1470 02:01:00,639 --> 02:01:02,719 make a decision on it with no appeal 1471 02:01:02,719 --> 02:01:04,080 there's certainly no deadline but you 1472 02:01:04,080 --> 02:01:06,639 should act if not at this work session 1473 02:01:06,639 --> 02:01:08,159 at the next public meeting at the latest 1474 02:01:08,159 --> 02:01:09,760 would I recommend that y'all 1475 02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:11,360 >> yeah you want to take it [clears throat] 1476 02:01:11,360 --> 02:01:11,599 up 1477 02:01:11,599 --> 02:01:13,280 >> and so really the only action would be 1478 02:01:13,280 --> 02:01:15,840 is if the board wants to do their own 1479 02:01:15,840 --> 02:01:17,679 public hearing directing staff to 1480 02:01:17,679 --> 02:01:18,400 schedule [clears throat] 1481 02:01:18,400 --> 02:01:20,320 a public hearing for that substantial 1482 02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:21,440 conformance review. 1483 02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:23,440 >> So, are the materials um Steve that 1484 02:01:23,440 --> 02:01:26,080 we've seen thus far um is there more 1485 02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:28,159 material that needs to be reviewed at 1486 02:01:28,159 --> 02:01:29,040 the board level? 1487 02:01:29,040 --> 02:01:30,880 >> If if you decided to move forward with 1488 02:01:30,880 --> 02:01:32,080 public hearing, there is some more 1489 02:01:32,080 --> 02:01:33,599 materials. We tried to give you enough 1490 02:01:33,599 --> 02:01:36,159 to give you an idea of of kind of what's 1491 02:01:36,159 --> 02:01:39,280 being requested. So, um, Lisa can maybe 1492 02:01:39,280 --> 02:01:41,119 speak a little bit more to the site, but 1493 02:01:41,119 --> 02:01:43,440 basically, um, it's in the Henry area, 1494 02:01:43,440 --> 02:01:45,840 the county, Blige District, non-zoned 1495 02:01:45,840 --> 02:01:48,480 area, uh, company is looking to build a 1496 02:01:48,480 --> 02:01:52,000 new cellular tower. Um, and because of 1497 02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:54,080 that, it falls under the comp plan 1498 02:01:54,080 --> 02:01:57,520 conformance review um, process. And so, 1499 02:01:57,520 --> 02:01:59,119 Lisa, do you have some slides on this 1500 02:01:59,119 --> 02:02:00,960 one or just want to speak to a couple of 1501 02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:02,400 the details of the project? 1502 02:02:02,400 --> 02:02:05,199 >> It's probably still on here. Maybe if um 1503 02:02:05,199 --> 02:02:07,119 I can just speak. The planning 1504 02:02:07,119 --> 02:02:08,719 commission did hold their public hearing 1505 02:02:08,719 --> 02:02:13,199 on August 11th um for a new tower that 1506 02:02:13,199 --> 02:02:18,239 um it's uh vertical bridge and Celco 1507 02:02:18,239 --> 02:02:21,760 partnership with Verizon Wireless. And 1508 02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:24,400 it's off of Henry Road. It's Cherry 1509 02:02:24,400 --> 02:02:27,440 Lane. It's a private road. It's about 1510 02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:29,360 21.259 1511 02:02:29,360 --> 02:02:32,880 acres. Um it'll be about 100 by 100 1512 02:02:32,880 --> 02:02:36,400 least area. The tower will be 190 foot 1513 02:02:36,400 --> 02:02:39,840 in height with 4ft lightning rod. Um 1514 02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:41,840 it's not high enough to have to have any 1515 02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:45,199 lighting on the top. Um your planning 1516 02:02:45,199 --> 02:02:48,239 commission did uh come to the conclusion 1517 02:02:48,239 --> 02:02:50,560 that it was consistent with your 1518 02:02:50,560 --> 02:02:52,719 comprehensive plan policies, goals, 1519 02:02:52,719 --> 02:02:55,599 objectives, and strategies that it would 1520 02:02:55,599 --> 02:02:57,920 not be detrimental to the adjacent or 1521 02:02:57,920 --> 02:03:00,880 surrounding area. it was still in 1522 02:03:00,880 --> 02:03:03,599 character with the future land use of 1523 02:03:03,599 --> 02:03:05,840 the community and that such use would be 1524 02:03:05,840 --> 02:03:07,280 in harmony with the purpose and the 1525 02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:09,199 intent of your comprehensive plan and 1526 02:03:09,199 --> 02:03:11,360 the community's public health safety and 1527 02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:13,920 general welfare. I will tell you this 1528 02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:16,800 lot is very wooded. Uh when the planning 1529 02:03:16,800 --> 02:03:19,440 commission did the site visit, they 1530 02:03:19,440 --> 02:03:21,199 basically went on the private road 1531 02:03:21,199 --> 02:03:23,199 really couldn't go any further because 1532 02:03:23,199 --> 02:03:26,000 it is it is so wooded. And of course, 1533 02:03:26,000 --> 02:03:28,639 the company will only cut down the trees 1534 02:03:28,639 --> 02:03:31,440 that they need to get to the least area, 1535 02:03:31,440 --> 02:03:34,880 which was shown in your packet on um I 1536 02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:38,615 think it was number 17. Um I would 1537 02:03:38,615 --> 02:03:40,159 [clears throat] be glad to answer any 1538 02:03:40,159 --> 02:03:42,639 questions. I know I was out of the 1539 02:03:42,639 --> 02:03:45,280 office that day and one of the staff 1540 02:03:45,280 --> 02:03:47,199 members was trying to get a hold of me 1541 02:03:47,199 --> 02:03:50,400 with a Verizon cell phone and it 1542 02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:51,715 wouldn't go through. 1543 02:03:51,715 --> 02:03:51,920 >> [laughter] 1544 02:03:51,920 --> 02:03:57,520 >> Um, so we did have um a couple of um one 1545 02:03:57,520 --> 02:04:00,080 or two people that lived in the area 1546 02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:01,840 against um they didn't think that they 1547 02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:04,480 needed a cell tower. Um they really did 1548 02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:07,679 not want it. They had concerns from the 1549 02:04:07,679 --> 02:04:11,280 health of it to just being there. Um 1550 02:04:11,280 --> 02:04:13,599 there was one gentleman that spoke in 1551 02:04:13,599 --> 02:04:17,199 favor of it. his mother lived close well 1552 02:04:17,199 --> 02:04:19,840 in this area and all she has is a cell 1553 02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:22,400 phone and he's concerned when he's at 1554 02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:24,080 work that if something happens to her 1555 02:04:24,080 --> 02:04:25,520 she wouldn't be able to get anybody 1556 02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:30,000 there. So you kind of had both sides um 1557 02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:32,800 of people talking. So um but the 1558 02:04:32,800 --> 02:04:36,239 planning commission did um decide a 6 1559 02:04:36,239 --> 02:04:38,000 vote. There was one uh planning 1560 02:04:38,000 --> 02:04:40,080 commission member absent. 1561 02:04:40,080 --> 02:04:43,199 >> Okay. All right. Um, does that conclude 1562 02:04:43,199 --> 02:04:44,320 your remarks, Lisa? 1563 02:04:44,320 --> 02:04:45,280 >> Uh, yes, ma'am. 1564 02:04:45,280 --> 02:04:47,679 >> Okay. So, what I'd like to do, yes, open 1565 02:04:47,679 --> 02:04:49,520 up the day, Mr. Tatum. 1566 02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:53,119 >> Okay. I guess my question in in that 1567 02:04:53,119 --> 02:04:55,360 area, there's a cell phone tower on 1568 02:04:55,360 --> 02:04:57,840 Brown Hill, which is the the mountain. 1569 02:04:57,840 --> 02:04:59,679 >> Then you have the tower there at the 1570 02:04:59,679 --> 02:05:02,239 Henry Fire Department, which is 195 ft 1571 02:05:02,239 --> 02:05:06,159 tower that currently has nothing on it. 1572 02:05:06,159 --> 02:05:08,480 >> And then this tower is going to be less 1573 02:05:08,480 --> 02:05:11,280 than a mile from that tower. 1574 02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:13,280 Do we need that many towers within such 1575 02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:16,159 a short span? And could the cell to 1576 02:05:16,159 --> 02:05:17,679 could the tower there at the Henry Fire 1577 02:05:17,679 --> 02:05:19,199 Department be utilized instead of 1578 02:05:19,199 --> 02:05:20,239 building a new tower? 1579 02:05:20,239 --> 02:05:23,199 >> I I do have a map that was um a couple 1580 02:05:23,199 --> 02:05:26,320 of maps that were supplied to me by the 1581 02:05:26,320 --> 02:05:27,920 cell 1582 02:05:27,920 --> 02:05:31,520 and um basically when I asked them the 1583 02:05:31,520 --> 02:05:33,360 question of why they were not 1584 02:05:33,360 --> 02:05:36,080 colllocating on the one at the rescue or 1585 02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:39,440 at the Henry firehouse was um this is 1586 02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:41,040 the explanation they gave me. the one 1587 02:05:41,040 --> 02:05:43,119 that you're talking about that's north 1588 02:05:43,119 --> 02:05:48,000 of the Henry um tower that is owned by 1589 02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:50,800 T-Mobile now and Verizon is already on 1590 02:05:50,800 --> 02:05:56,000 it for them to locate on the tower at 1591 02:05:56,000 --> 02:05:58,719 the firehouse would not give them the 1592 02:05:58,719 --> 02:06:01,280 coverage that they needed. So, they 1593 02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:03,840 wanted a new tower at the location that 1594 02:06:03,840 --> 02:06:06,320 they're posed that they could get more 1595 02:06:06,320 --> 02:06:08,080 individuals 1596 02:06:08,080 --> 02:06:10,480 um because of the two towers of being on 1597 02:06:10,480 --> 02:06:13,840 the one on Brown, then if they had a 1598 02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:16,639 tower a distance away from that one, 1599 02:06:16,639 --> 02:06:18,400 then they could get more coverage. And 1600 02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:20,560 that was the explanation that I got. And 1601 02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:22,400 that was the one that that was given at 1602 02:06:22,400 --> 02:06:23,920 the public hearing 1603 02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:27,199 >> even though it's just a a mile rough. 1604 02:06:27,199 --> 02:06:30,560 >> Yes. And I guess that's up to the board 1605 02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:32,639 of supervisors. If you would like us to 1606 02:06:32,639 --> 02:06:35,360 dig into it more deeply with the 1607 02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:37,920 company, if you want to hold a public 1608 02:06:37,920 --> 02:06:40,880 hearing, then you could do it is your 1609 02:06:40,880 --> 02:06:44,480 right to do the 15.2232 1610 02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:47,280 review. You don't have to accept um 1611 02:06:47,280 --> 02:06:50,159 planning commission's recommendation, 1612 02:06:50,159 --> 02:06:52,960 but I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. um 1613 02:06:52,960 --> 02:06:55,040 if this is in conformance with the comp 1614 02:06:55,040 --> 02:06:58,560 plan um under state law that it should 1615 02:06:58,560 --> 02:07:00,560 be approved if there's alignment. Would 1616 02:07:00,560 --> 02:07:02,880 that be a accurate statement? 1617 02:07:02,880 --> 02:07:05,679 >> Yes. I mean it should be approved but if 1618 02:07:05,679 --> 02:07:08,560 I will say this even though it staff 1619 02:07:08,560 --> 02:07:10,480 supported it that was it in compliance 1620 02:07:10,480 --> 02:07:12,400 and so did the planning commission. If 1621 02:07:12,400 --> 02:07:14,719 there are concerns of the board of 1622 02:07:14,719 --> 02:07:18,400 supervisors I don't think it would hurt 1623 02:07:18,400 --> 02:07:20,239 um if there was some questions that you 1624 02:07:20,239 --> 02:07:21,360 wanted answered. 1625 02:07:21,360 --> 02:07:24,960 >> Okay. or I guess we have a little bit of 1626 02:07:24,960 --> 02:07:26,639 time that we might be able to get 1627 02:07:26,639 --> 02:07:28,719 answers without you having a public 1628 02:07:28,719 --> 02:07:29,119 hearing. 1629 02:07:29,119 --> 02:07:31,119 >> Yeah, I was going to suggest perhaps if 1630 02:07:31,119 --> 02:07:32,719 there were specific questions, we could 1631 02:07:32,719 --> 02:07:34,079 have them maybe provide some more 1632 02:07:34,079 --> 02:07:35,599 information before the board's next 1633 02:07:35,599 --> 02:07:37,679 meeting and then the board could decide 1634 02:07:37,679 --> 02:07:39,440 at that point whether to move forward 1635 02:07:39,440 --> 02:07:41,440 with the public hearing or let it ride. 1636 02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:43,679 >> So, Mr. Tatum, I want to make sure that 1637 02:07:43,679 --> 02:07:45,920 um your questions have been 1638 02:07:45,920 --> 02:07:47,360 >> Yeah, she's she's answering my 1639 02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:50,000 questions. I'm I'm I'm not sure that I'm 1640 02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:51,840 satisfied with the answer, but I would 1641 02:07:51,840 --> 02:07:53,440 like more information if you could get 1642 02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:54,320 it, 1643 02:07:54,320 --> 02:07:55,199 >> Mr. Carter. 1644 02:07:55,199 --> 02:07:57,599 >> Yeah. Thank you, Lisa. I was at the 1645 02:07:57,599 --> 02:07:59,520 planning hearing and there was some 1646 02:07:59,520 --> 02:08:01,280 discussion about [clears throat] an 1647 02:08:01,280 --> 02:08:04,400 emergency module on the tower and I 1648 02:08:04,400 --> 02:08:06,320 didn't exactly understand what all they 1649 02:08:06,320 --> 02:08:09,440 were talking about. Uh the new tower, 1650 02:08:09,440 --> 02:08:11,679 they've got spaces for, I don't know, 1651 02:08:11,679 --> 02:08:13,440 three or four modules and then if 1652 02:08:13,440 --> 02:08:15,599 there's room, they'll let us put an 1653 02:08:15,599 --> 02:08:18,960 emergency thing. But it was sort of like 1654 02:08:18,960 --> 02:08:21,119 they didn't guarantee that. It was like 1655 02:08:21,119 --> 02:08:23,119 if there was space, they would. And and 1656 02:08:23,119 --> 02:08:25,920 for me personally, since we don't have 1657 02:08:25,920 --> 02:08:29,280 that on the Henry Tower, 1658 02:08:29,280 --> 02:08:31,199 I would like for them to agree to give 1659 02:08:31,199 --> 02:08:34,639 us space for an emergency whatever it 1660 02:08:34,639 --> 02:08:37,199 is. Well, we what they what we usually 1661 02:08:37,199 --> 02:08:39,599 or what we have done in the past is we 1662 02:08:39,599 --> 02:08:41,679 have always asked to have space on any 1663 02:08:41,679 --> 02:08:46,880 tower for emergency services and they 1664 02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:50,079 hadn't planned for that. They had just 1665 02:08:50,079 --> 02:08:52,880 planned for other sale companies to be 1666 02:08:52,880 --> 02:08:55,440 on there. So, what we did after the 1667 02:08:55,440 --> 02:08:59,840 meeting is I got with Mr. Sandy and fire 1668 02:08:59,840 --> 02:09:02,800 and em EMS to see if they wanted to 1669 02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:05,599 colllocate on this tower and they didn't 1670 02:09:05,599 --> 02:09:08,560 feel that there was any need for them to 1671 02:09:08,560 --> 02:09:11,920 colllocate on it. So that issue 1672 02:09:11,920 --> 02:09:15,760 I won't say has died but it it doesn't 1673 02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:17,840 seem like the public safety wants to be 1674 02:09:17,840 --> 02:09:19,840 on the tower that we're talking about 1675 02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:20,239 today. 1676 02:09:20,239 --> 02:09:21,280 >> So they don't need it. 1677 02:09:21,280 --> 02:09:22,960 >> Well, I can I can expand. They're on the 1678 02:09:22,960 --> 02:09:25,040 ground tower already. So okay, 1679 02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:27,280 >> which is the one Mr. Tatum was referring 1680 02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:30,079 to. So it's it's too close to need 1681 02:09:30,079 --> 02:09:31,199 another tower basically. 1682 02:09:31,199 --> 02:09:33,920 >> I I didn't understand that exactly, but 1683 02:09:33,920 --> 02:09:35,520 I didn't want to build a new tower and 1684 02:09:35,520 --> 02:09:37,599 then us not having an emergency. 1685 02:09:37,599 --> 02:09:39,119 >> Yeah. So we're comfortable that the fact 1686 02:09:39,119 --> 02:09:40,960 that we have space on that tower and 1687 02:09:40,960 --> 02:09:43,520 then as Mr. Tatum mentioned if for some 1688 02:09:43,520 --> 02:09:45,679 reason that other tower went away, there 1689 02:09:45,679 --> 02:09:50,159 is the tower at Henry that I think would be our kind of our fallback option 1690 02:09:50,159 --> 02:09:52,159 if we if we needed a location in the 1691 02:09:52,159 --> 02:09:54,079 Henry area. But right now we have those 1692 02:09:54,079 --> 02:09:56,239 facilities on the Brown Hill Tower and 1693 02:09:56,239 --> 02:09:58,159 we're satisfied with those. 1694 02:09:58,159 --> 02:10:00,639 >> So any other questions? Mr. Mr. 1695 02:10:00,639 --> 02:10:02,560 >> Y'all say this is Verizon want to do 1696 02:10:02,560 --> 02:10:03,440 this one? 1697 02:10:03,440 --> 02:10:06,320 >> Um it is Verizon I guess will be the top 1698 02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:09,280 one and it the company that would be um 1699 02:10:09,280 --> 02:10:11,199 building it is my understanding would be 1700 02:10:11,199 --> 02:10:15,920 that vertical bridge and um Celco 1701 02:10:15,920 --> 02:10:19,280 uh partnership. So this is a 1702 02:10:19,280 --> 02:10:22,320 tower builder, tower speculator, and and 1703 02:10:22,320 --> 02:10:23,360 they're so [clears throat] they would be 1704 02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:25,440 the ones building the tower. I think Mr. 1705 02:10:25,440 --> 02:10:26,880 Quinn maybe even mentioned it at the 1706 02:10:26,880 --> 02:10:28,400 last meeting that Verizon is kind of 1707 02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:29,760 getting away from building their own 1708 02:10:29,760 --> 02:10:31,840 towers. So this group would build the 1709 02:10:31,840 --> 02:10:35,119 tower for Verizon u in this location. 1710 02:10:35,119 --> 02:10:36,480 >> Is this group comprised of any 1711 02:10:36,480 --> 02:10:40,000 individuals we worked with in the past? 1712 02:10:40,000 --> 02:10:42,400 >> I don't I didn't re the two gentlemen 1713 02:10:42,400 --> 02:10:44,800 that I worked with and staff worked 1714 02:10:44,800 --> 02:10:46,880 with. I had never seen them before. 1715 02:10:46,880 --> 02:10:48,880 >> Verizon's been supposed to come to Snow 1716 02:10:48,880 --> 02:10:51,840 Creek for the last three August. 1717 02:10:51,840 --> 02:10:54,195 So, I'm glad they're coming here. 1718 02:10:54,195 --> 02:10:54,480 [laughter] 1719 02:10:54,480 --> 02:10:55,520 >> You know what I mean? I do. 1720 02:10:55,520 --> 02:10:57,040 >> I I don't have a problem with this at 1721 02:10:57,040 --> 02:10:57,760 all. 1722 02:10:57,760 --> 02:10:59,520 >> If it if it's going to expand service, 1723 02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:01,199 people in Snow Creek would love to have 1724 02:11:01,199 --> 02:11:01,920 >> Yes, I understand 1725 02:11:01,920 --> 02:11:03,280 >> this coming to them. And I'm not 1726 02:11:03,280 --> 02:11:06,560 dabbling in a 2232 conformance review. 1727 02:11:06,560 --> 02:11:08,480 I've done learned my lesson on it. Last 1728 02:11:08,480 --> 02:11:09,599 time I fussed that the planning 1729 02:11:09,599 --> 02:11:10,880 commission didn't take the action they 1730 02:11:10,880 --> 02:11:12,719 were supposed to, they did it this time. 1731 02:11:12,719 --> 02:11:14,000 and I have no interest in a public 1732 02:11:14,000 --> 02:11:15,199 hearing on this. 1733 02:11:15,199 --> 02:11:19,199 >> Okay. Um before I solicit um for you 1734 02:11:19,199 --> 02:11:21,280 know that level of feedback, Mr. 1735 02:11:21,280 --> 02:11:23,280 Jameson, did you have something? 1736 02:11:23,280 --> 02:11:26,079 >> Verizon Eric Callaway about I don't know 1737 02:11:26,079 --> 02:11:28,480 six months ago we we went to with 1738 02:11:28,480 --> 02:11:31,280 Verizon. Great about two months. It 1739 02:11:31,280 --> 02:11:33,280 ain't worth the crap now. We got no 1740 02:11:33,280 --> 02:11:37,599 coverage at all. Drop loans. You you 1741 02:11:37,599 --> 02:11:39,760 call in call me. We'll be sitting there 1742 02:11:39,760 --> 02:11:42,400 talking and all it just got away. 1743 02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:44,480 And I don't know that this is going to 1744 02:11:44,480 --> 02:11:46,880 give us any coverage and all in Callaway 1745 02:11:46,880 --> 02:11:49,679 area, but uh like I said, we it's very 1746 02:11:49,679 --> 02:11:52,000 disappointing with Verizon in that area 1747 02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:53,280 now. And everybody's having the same 1748 02:11:53,280 --> 02:11:54,639 problem in that area. 1749 02:11:54,639 --> 02:11:56,000 >> We had a tough time having a 1750 02:11:56,000 --> 02:11:57,920 conversation what was it yesterday or 1751 02:11:57,920 --> 02:11:58,639 day before yesterday? 1752 02:11:58,639 --> 02:12:00,560 >> Yes, ma'am. It dropped twice, three 1753 02:12:00,560 --> 02:12:01,040 times. 1754 02:12:01,040 --> 02:12:01,760 >> Yeah. Yeah. 1755 02:12:01,760 --> 02:12:02,980 >> You know, within probably two 1756 02:12:02,980 --> 02:12:03,840 [clears throat] minutes. 1757 02:12:03,840 --> 02:12:06,239 >> Yeah. So, um are there any other 1758 02:12:06,239 --> 02:12:09,119 comments on this before we get to the 1759 02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:12,560 question? Okay. So the question before 1760 02:12:12,560 --> 02:12:14,880 us um today unless Steve Lisa if you 1761 02:12:14,880 --> 02:12:17,199 have any uh closing remarks on this 1762 02:12:17,199 --> 02:12:19,440 matter before we kind of give an opinion 1763 02:12:19,440 --> 02:12:21,199 on whether we want to engage in a public 1764 02:12:21,199 --> 02:12:22,400 hearing. 1765 02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:26,079 >> Um I I do not just if if you decide if 1766 02:12:26,079 --> 02:12:28,719 you don't want to decide today if you 1767 02:12:28,719 --> 02:12:30,159 want a public hearing but you want 1768 02:12:30,159 --> 02:12:32,320 additional information just right I I 1769 02:12:32,320 --> 02:12:34,960 would like it to be somewhat specific so 1770 02:12:34,960 --> 02:12:36,639 that I could go back to the company. 1771 02:12:36,639 --> 02:12:39,760 >> That's fair. Okay. So, what is uh your 1772 02:12:39,760 --> 02:12:42,719 desire? Um, let's just kind of poll. Mr. 1773 02:12:42,719 --> 02:12:45,119 Jameson, would you like to get 1774 02:12:45,119 --> 02:12:47,040 additional information or do you want a 1775 02:12:47,040 --> 02:12:49,040 public hearing or I don't think it's 1776 02:12:49,040 --> 02:12:50,800 going to affect us there any more than 1777 02:12:50,800 --> 02:12:53,280 it is now right now. But, uh, you don't 1778 02:12:53,280 --> 02:12:55,520 think I'd ask that we get it in Callaway 1779 02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:56,800 and build one in Callaway further to do 1780 02:12:56,800 --> 02:12:59,360 in Snow Creek. [laughter] 1781 02:12:59,360 --> 02:13:02,239 >> So, you got to answer my question still. 1782 02:13:02,239 --> 02:13:04,400 >> I'm I'm Go ahead and do it. Then he's 1783 02:13:04,400 --> 02:13:05,599 there. Good. 1784 02:13:05,599 --> 02:13:06,320 >> So, you're 1785 02:13:06,320 --> 02:13:07,280 >> I'm pulling. 1786 02:13:07,280 --> 02:13:09,119 >> All right. So, you don't want the board 1787 02:13:09,119 --> 02:13:11,040 to conduct a public hearing? 1788 02:13:11,040 --> 02:13:11,520 >> No. 1789 02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:12,079 >> And Okay. 1790 02:13:12,079 --> 02:13:12,800 >> Good with that. 1791 02:13:12,800 --> 02:13:14,719 >> And so, you're willing I just want to 1792 02:13:14,719 --> 02:13:16,800 reaffirm that the planning commission's 1793 02:13:16,800 --> 02:13:18,719 recommendation stands good with you. 1794 02:13:18,719 --> 02:13:19,520 >> Yes, ma'am. 1795 02:13:19,520 --> 02:13:21,119 >> Okay. Mr. Tatum, 1796 02:13:21,119 --> 02:13:22,639 >> I'm not going to hold it up. There are 1797 02:13:22,639 --> 02:13:25,679 people in that area in the the lower 1798 02:13:25,679 --> 02:13:29,679 part of this map that will benefit from 1799 02:13:29,679 --> 02:13:32,320 this tower. And those people have been 1800 02:13:32,320 --> 02:13:35,199 living there for my whole life. and they 1801 02:13:35,199 --> 02:13:36,719 probably have never had cell phone 1802 02:13:36,719 --> 02:13:38,400 service in their life. I'm not going to 1803 02:13:38,400 --> 02:13:40,000 hold up the project. Let it let it move 1804 02:13:40,000 --> 02:13:40,639 forward. 1805 02:13:40,639 --> 02:13:44,320 >> Well, Mr. Tatum, what I would um suggest 1806 02:13:44,320 --> 02:13:46,560 um is we'll see where we are, but 1807 02:13:46,560 --> 02:13:48,560 there's nothing to keep you from, you 1808 02:13:48,560 --> 02:13:50,800 know, giving Mr. Sandy some questions 1809 02:13:50,800 --> 02:13:53,520 and Lisa um some inquiries just to get 1810 02:13:53,520 --> 02:13:54,560 your questions answered. 1811 02:13:54,560 --> 02:13:57,280 >> Yeah. And and I I will do that. I would 1812 02:13:57,280 --> 02:14:00,320 like to find out, you know, what is the 1813 02:14:00,320 --> 02:14:02,800 status of of the tower at the Henry Fire 1814 02:14:02,800 --> 02:14:05,840 Department since Scient I don't think is 1815 02:14:05,840 --> 02:14:07,840 no longer in existence and they were the 1816 02:14:07,840 --> 02:14:09,599 only ones on that tower. 1817 02:14:09,599 --> 02:14:11,520 >> Um, 1818 02:14:11,520 --> 02:14:14,000 >> you know, right now I've got a 195 ft 1819 02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:16,079 tower sitting in right there in the 1820 02:14:16,079 --> 02:14:17,280 parking lot at the Henry Fire 1821 02:14:17,280 --> 02:14:17,679 Department, 1822 02:14:17,679 --> 02:14:18,480 >> right? 1823 02:14:18,480 --> 02:14:21,360 >> And it's not serving a purpose other 1824 02:14:21,360 --> 02:14:23,119 than eyesore. 1825 02:14:23,119 --> 02:14:24,159 >> Mr. Carter, 1826 02:14:24,159 --> 02:14:25,920 >> I'm good with moving forward 1827 02:14:25,920 --> 02:14:27,040 >> with no public hearing. 1828 02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:27,679 >> Yes, ma'am. 1829 02:14:27,679 --> 02:14:28,880 >> Mr. Mitchell, 1830 02:14:28,880 --> 02:14:29,280 >> good. 1831 02:14:29,280 --> 02:14:30,159 >> Mr. Quinn, 1832 02:14:30,159 --> 02:14:30,800 >> agree. 1833 02:14:30,800 --> 02:14:33,920 >> And I am in agreement as well. Um so the 1834 02:14:33,920 --> 02:14:38,000 conclusion is that the board um supports 1835 02:14:38,000 --> 02:14:41,119 um the planning commission's rendering 1836 02:14:41,119 --> 02:14:43,920 and it is our desire to not have a 1837 02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:46,560 public hearing at our level and we are 1838 02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:48,079 going to leave it that if individual 1839 02:14:48,079 --> 02:14:50,560 supervisors you know have additional 1840 02:14:50,560 --> 02:14:53,760 questions Lisa um hopefully u between 1841 02:14:53,760 --> 02:14:55,920 you and and Steve that they can get 1842 02:14:55,920 --> 02:14:58,639 their questions answered in the interim. 1843 02:14:58,639 --> 02:15:00,320 Does that give you what you need? 1844 02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:02,560 >> I think it does. Are you sure? 1845 02:15:02,560 --> 02:15:04,880 >> I think so. I just want to make sure. Do 1846 02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:06,800 you want me to dive in why they're 1847 02:15:06,800 --> 02:15:11,510 building a new tower or not? 1848 02:15:11,520 --> 02:15:13,599 » I would appreciate an answer. 1849 02:15:13,599 --> 02:15:14,239 >> Okay. 1850 02:15:14,239 --> 02:15:15,679 >> I mean, it doesn't have to be anything 1851 02:15:15,679 --> 02:15:16,560 formal. Just 1852 02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:18,400 >> Do you want to Do you want to hold up 1853 02:15:18,400 --> 02:15:20,079 this cons? 1854 02:15:20,079 --> 02:15:21,199 >> No, don't hold it up. 1855 02:15:21,199 --> 02:15:21,920 >> Are you sure? 1856 02:15:21,920 --> 02:15:23,599 >> Yeah. Move M move forward. But I would 1857 02:15:23,599 --> 02:15:27,280 like to know why why it's more feasible 1858 02:15:27,280 --> 02:15:28,960 for them to build a new tower than it is 1859 02:15:28,960 --> 02:15:30,960 to go on an existing one that's within a 1860 02:15:30,960 --> 02:15:32,400 mile of where they're going to build. 1861 02:15:32,400 --> 02:15:34,639 >> I think that's a reasonable question. 1862 02:15:34,639 --> 02:15:35,360 >> Okay. Well, 1863 02:15:35,360 --> 02:15:37,679 >> I'm not answering for them and Victor, 1864 02:15:37,679 --> 02:15:39,520 he may remember, but there was something 1865 02:15:39,520 --> 02:15:45,920 about the elevations. It is why that 1866 02:15:45,920 --> 02:15:47,440 >> Mr. Evans, if you'd like to comment, 1867 02:15:47,440 --> 02:15:48,400 you're more than welcome to. 1868 02:15:48,400 --> 02:15:50,079 >> Something that I didn't say that would 1869 02:15:50,079 --> 02:15:52,639 be great. 1870 02:15:52,639 --> 02:15:55,040 Madame Chair and County Supervisors, um 1871 02:15:55,040 --> 02:15:57,119 that was a concern. The topography of 1872 02:15:57,119 --> 02:16:00,159 the area is a problem and to truly get 1873 02:16:00,159 --> 02:16:02,320 the coverage as Mr. Cooper had 1874 02:16:02,320 --> 02:16:04,560 mentioned, you have to have it a little 1875 02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:08,320 bit farther out than the proximity to 1876 02:16:08,320 --> 02:16:11,920 Brown Hill tower is too close to make it 1877 02:16:11,920 --> 02:16:13,520 worthwhile. So having it further out, 1878 02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:15,119 then you get the extension because they 1879 02:16:15,119 --> 02:16:16,800 only go about so many miles with line of 1880 02:16:16,800 --> 02:16:19,599 sight. So topography was the big issue 1881 02:16:19,599 --> 02:16:22,159 as to why it wasn't effective to use the 1882 02:16:22,159 --> 02:16:23,599 one at the station. 1883 02:16:23,599 --> 02:16:25,679 >> Okay, that answers my question. 1884 02:16:25,679 --> 02:16:28,159 >> Thank you very much. Okay, so Lisa, are 1885 02:16:28,159 --> 02:16:29,520 you clear or do if you have any 1886 02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:31,599 questions for us or need clarification? 1887 02:16:31,599 --> 02:16:35,519 Um they have actually the company has um 1888 02:16:35,519 --> 02:16:37,599 asked me today if I had heard anything 1889 02:16:37,599 --> 02:16:40,000 because they're they're waiting and so I 1890 02:16:40,000 --> 02:16:42,559 can send them an email asking for some 1891 02:16:42,559 --> 02:16:44,639 more information that maybe we can put 1892 02:16:44,639 --> 02:16:47,519 in a Friday packet 1893 02:16:47,519 --> 02:16:48,800 >> or something like that. 1894 02:16:48,800 --> 02:16:51,040 >> Okay. So you're next up with um Mr. 1895 02:16:51,040 --> 02:16:53,040 Sandy maybe opening remarks on the 1896 02:16:53,040 --> 02:16:54,399 zoning ordinance review. 1897 02:16:54,399 --> 02:16:56,800 >> Yes. Yeah. I'll I'll open with a few 1898 02:16:56,800 --> 02:16:59,519 comments and you kind of already met Mr. 1899 02:16:59,519 --> 02:17:02,080 Um, Mr. Chair of the Planning 1900 02:17:02,080 --> 02:17:06,800 Commission, uh, Victor Evans. And so, we wanted to have an opportunity to to 1901 02:17:06,800 --> 02:17:09,359 provide an update. So, just quick 1902 02:17:09,359 --> 02:17:11,760 historical recap. Of course, uh, in this 1903 02:17:11,760 --> 02:17:14,960 room, I believe it was May 17th, we had 1904 02:17:14,960 --> 02:17:16,479 a joint work session with the planning 1905 02:17:16,479 --> 02:17:18,880 commission to really look at the first 1906 02:17:18,880 --> 02:17:21,599 draft of the zoning ordinance. Um, that 1907 02:17:21,599 --> 02:17:23,280 was prepared by our consultant, the 1908 02:17:23,280 --> 02:17:25,920 Berkeley Group. Uh at that time the the 1909 02:17:25,920 --> 02:17:28,080 planning commission had requested that 1910 02:17:28,080 --> 02:17:30,240 they be allowed to basically take that 1911 02:17:30,240 --> 02:17:32,719 draft back and work on it um some more. 1912 02:17:32,719 --> 02:17:34,080 They weren't comfortable with where it 1913 02:17:34,080 --> 02:17:37,519 was in that current um draft form. And 1914 02:17:37,519 --> 02:17:40,960 the board's direction was to them was 1915 02:17:40,960 --> 02:17:42,960 yes, go ahead and do that. Take as much 1916 02:17:42,960 --> 02:17:45,120 time as you need. Um you know, when 1917 02:17:45,120 --> 02:17:46,639 you're ready, bring it back. And so 1918 02:17:46,639 --> 02:17:48,559 since that time, the planning commission 1919 02:17:48,559 --> 02:17:50,559 has uh been working through what that 1920 02:17:50,559 --> 02:17:52,240 process would look like and how they 1921 02:17:52,240 --> 02:17:55,359 would kind of attack that um that 1922 02:17:55,359 --> 02:17:57,519 revisiting the the document, so to 1923 02:17:57,519 --> 02:17:59,920 speak. I think in the meantime, they had 1924 02:17:59,920 --> 02:18:01,920 uh two members come off and had two new 1925 02:18:01,920 --> 02:18:04,559 members come on and so it's been two or 1926 02:18:04,559 --> 02:18:05,920 three months that they've kind of talked 1927 02:18:05,920 --> 02:18:07,280 through this and worked through a 1928 02:18:07,280 --> 02:18:12,719 possible schedule for uh reviewing and updating the ordinance. And so 1929 02:18:12,719 --> 02:18:14,800 thought it was a a good opportunity and 1930 02:18:14,800 --> 02:18:16,719 they were at a good point um that they 1931 02:18:16,719 --> 02:18:18,960 had come up with some ideas for them to 1932 02:18:18,960 --> 02:18:22,080 come and present um kind of what they've 1933 02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:23,840 discussed and and kind of where they are 1934 02:18:23,840 --> 02:18:26,399 at the moment. Um I think the plan I 1935 02:18:26,399 --> 02:18:28,000 think the intention is that that plan 1936 02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:30,479 can be flexible as they move through it. 1937 02:18:30,479 --> 02:18:35,439 But they wanted to set up a template to follow for uh updating the plan or uh 1938 02:18:35,439 --> 02:18:38,800 updating the ordinance. Um, I think one 1939 02:18:38,800 --> 02:18:42,479 of a probably after uh Victor presents, 1940 02:18:42,479 --> 02:18:44,000 I think one of the key things that he 1941 02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:45,760 and I both would would really love to 1942 02:18:45,760 --> 02:18:47,519 see some interaction from the board is 1943 02:18:47,519 --> 02:18:51,679 what does the update process look like 1944 02:18:51,679 --> 02:18:53,280 with the board? What is the level of 1945 02:18:53,280 --> 02:18:55,359 engagement the board would like to have? 1946 02:18:55,359 --> 02:19:01,200 Does that look like regular updates from the chair in a in a um in a work 1947 02:19:01,200 --> 02:19:02,960 session like this? Is it joint work 1948 02:19:02,960 --> 02:19:05,359 sessions on a quarterly basis between 1949 02:19:05,359 --> 02:19:07,120 the planning commission and board? What 1950 02:19:07,120 --> 02:19:09,280 is the expectation and what is the level 1951 02:19:09,280 --> 02:19:12,000 of kind of interaction um that the board 1952 02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:13,760 would like to have along the way during 1953 02:19:13,760 --> 02:19:17,359 this process? I know there was concerns 1954 02:19:17,359 --> 02:19:20,080 mentioned previously about not being 1955 02:19:20,080 --> 02:19:21,840 updated during the two years that we 1956 02:19:21,840 --> 02:19:24,080 worked on the the with the consultant. 1957 02:19:24,080 --> 02:19:26,319 And so we definitely want to make sure 1958 02:19:26,319 --> 02:19:29,679 that you guys feel like you're you're part of the effort. you're 1959 02:19:29,679 --> 02:19:31,200 understanding where it is in the process 1960 02:19:31,200 --> 02:19:33,679 if that's where you want to be. And so I 1961 02:19:33,679 --> 02:19:35,840 think some that's some direction that I 1962 02:19:35,840 --> 02:19:38,719 think Victor um is is here today to kind 1963 02:19:38,719 --> 02:19:40,639 of seeking how that would fit into the 1964 02:19:40,639 --> 02:19:42,719 schedule and maybe how that would modify 1965 02:19:42,719 --> 02:19:44,880 or adjust the schedule depending on what 1966 02:19:44,880 --> 02:19:48,319 that looks like. So with that, I'm happy 1967 02:19:48,319 --> 02:19:50,399 to turn it over to to Victor to kind of 1968 02:19:50,399 --> 02:19:52,720 outline what their discussions have 1969 02:19:52,720 --> 02:19:55,600 been. and um there's kind of a schedule 1970 02:19:55,600 --> 02:19:58,080 that had been floated around of of some 1971 02:19:58,080 --> 02:20:01,520 things that he had worked through with the planning commission. So, 1972 02:20:01,520 --> 02:20:03,600 unfortunately, Mr. Jefferson, I think, 1973 02:20:03,600 --> 02:20:05,840 is out of town, the vice chair, uh I 1974 02:20:05,840 --> 02:20:07,120 think he probably would have come with 1975 02:20:07,120 --> 02:20:09,920 you and um and and helped you with the 1976 02:20:09,920 --> 02:20:11,359 presentation, but thank you for coming. 1977 02:20:11,359 --> 02:20:13,600 We appreciate you being here today. 1978 02:20:13,600 --> 02:20:15,520 >> Thank you so much. 1979 02:20:15,520 --> 02:20:16,880 >> The floor is yours, sir. 1980 02:20:16,880 --> 02:20:18,399 >> Okay. 1981 02:20:18,399 --> 02:20:19,600 Thank you, Madam Chair and county 1982 02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:22,080 supervisors. I am the new chair for the 1983 02:20:22,080 --> 02:20:23,600 planning commission. So, I'm now on my 1984 02:20:23,600 --> 02:20:27,120 second month. But since there was a a 1985 02:20:27,120 --> 02:20:29,920 joint decision that what was being 1986 02:20:29,920 --> 02:20:32,319 proposed for a zoning ordinance didn't 1987 02:20:32,319 --> 02:20:36,160 really meet the the quality or the 1988 02:20:36,160 --> 02:20:38,319 standards of of what we wanted to be as 1989 02:20:38,319 --> 02:20:42,080 a zoning ordinance. And um we took on 1990 02:20:42,080 --> 02:20:44,080 that task as you requested for us to 1991 02:20:44,080 --> 02:20:45,920 complete a review of the proposed zoning 1992 02:20:45,920 --> 02:20:49,200 ordinance. What you have before you is 1993 02:20:49,200 --> 02:20:51,359 uh what we've determined is our current 1994 02:20:51,359 --> 02:20:54,560 work schedule [laughter] and calendar of 1995 02:20:54,560 --> 02:20:57,920 um we started on the end of June where 1996 02:20:57,920 --> 02:21:00,720 we were trying to develop both action 1997 02:21:00,720 --> 02:21:02,640 plan and then what that schedule should 1998 02:21:02,640 --> 02:21:06,319 be so that um and then to present this 1999 02:21:06,319 --> 02:21:08,319 to you so you're aware of how we want to 2000 02:21:08,319 --> 02:21:11,920 go about doing what you asked us to do. 2001 02:21:11,920 --> 02:21:14,080 The way to read that is we do have 2002 02:21:14,080 --> 02:21:16,240 things in in something of a sequential 2003 02:21:16,240 --> 02:21:18,399 order from articles one through article 2004 02:21:18,399 --> 02:21:20,720 9 in that we want to make sure as we're 2005 02:21:20,720 --> 02:21:22,080 tackling this and I'll tell you a little 2006 02:21:22,080 --> 02:21:24,000 bit about how that's going. As we're 2007 02:21:24,000 --> 02:21:26,560 tackling the review, we're creating 2008 02:21:26,560 --> 02:21:28,800 we're ensuring we understand what solid 2009 02:21:28,800 --> 02:21:31,040 foundation needs to exist and use those 2010 02:21:31,040 --> 02:21:32,960 as building blocks as we go through the 2011 02:21:32,960 --> 02:21:35,840 rest of the articles to see that the 2012 02:21:35,840 --> 02:21:37,520 fundamentals 2013 02:21:37,520 --> 02:21:39,439 are we adhere to the fundamentals 2014 02:21:39,439 --> 02:21:42,720 throughout the whole zoning ordinance. 2015 02:21:42,720 --> 02:21:45,439 What will happen is with every section 2016 02:21:45,439 --> 02:21:47,280 that we're going to look at, staff will 2017 02:21:47,280 --> 02:21:49,520 be presenting to us pointing out three 2018 02:21:49,520 --> 02:21:52,000 things. First of all, we want to know 2019 02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:54,479 what it is that staff who has to work 2020 02:21:54,479 --> 02:21:56,319 with the zoning ordinance on a routine 2021 02:21:56,319 --> 02:21:58,560 basis to see to it that they have 2022 02:21:58,560 --> 02:22:00,399 consistent guidance and decision- making 2023 02:22:00,399 --> 02:22:02,800 with the citizens. 2024 02:22:02,800 --> 02:22:05,439 Why is it what is it that you really 2025 02:22:05,439 --> 02:22:07,120 wanted in a zoning ordinance? We want to 2026 02:22:07,120 --> 02:22:09,760 know what is it that staff wanted. 2027 02:22:09,760 --> 02:22:12,319 Second thing, what is it that has to be 2028 02:22:12,319 --> 02:22:13,840 in a zoning ordinance to be in 2029 02:22:13,840 --> 02:22:15,840 compliance with code of Virginia? The 2030 02:22:15,840 --> 02:22:17,920 third thing is what is it that was 2031 02:22:17,920 --> 02:22:20,240 carried over from the existing zoning 2032 02:22:20,240 --> 02:22:22,640 ordinance so that we know this is not 2033 02:22:22,640 --> 02:22:24,240 new. This is what we've been working 2034 02:22:24,240 --> 02:22:26,000 with. 2035 02:22:26,000 --> 02:22:28,880 That leads us to the fourth item or 2036 02:22:28,880 --> 02:22:30,640 component of the zoning ordinance and 2037 02:22:30,640 --> 02:22:32,399 that is 2038 02:22:32,399 --> 02:22:34,800 what was proposed as best practices. 2039 02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:36,080 Whether they're really good practice 2040 02:22:36,080 --> 02:22:37,680 worthy of being in Franklin County, we 2041 02:22:37,680 --> 02:22:39,439 don't know yet. But so we'll know what 2042 02:22:39,439 --> 02:22:41,439 it is that staff really wanted, what's 2043 02:22:41,439 --> 02:22:43,439 required by code of Virginia, what's 2044 02:22:43,439 --> 02:22:45,200 carried over from the current zone uh 2045 02:22:45,200 --> 02:22:47,439 zoning ordinance, and then what are best 2046 02:22:47,439 --> 02:22:49,760 practice suggestions. 2047 02:22:49,760 --> 02:22:51,840 In each one of those occasions, the 2048 02:22:51,840 --> 02:22:54,000 planning commission will make decision 2049 02:22:54,000 --> 02:22:55,840 as to whether we like what's being 2050 02:22:55,840 --> 02:22:58,880 presented as written, whether it needs 2051 02:22:58,880 --> 02:23:01,680 to be rewarded to be more appropriate or 2052 02:23:01,680 --> 02:23:03,920 whether should be deleted, 2053 02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:05,520 whether it's a best practice or a 2054 02:23:05,520 --> 02:23:07,439 carryover or whatever. We're going to 2055 02:23:07,439 --> 02:23:09,120 take a look at that. Obviously, if it's 2056 02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:10,800 required by code of Virginia, we have no 2057 02:23:10,800 --> 02:23:12,960 say, but we want to make sure that 2058 02:23:12,960 --> 02:23:14,640 everybody understands those three 2059 02:23:14,640 --> 02:23:16,160 components 2060 02:23:16,160 --> 02:23:17,920 and the fourth being best practices to 2061 02:23:17,920 --> 02:23:20,800 whether we're going to add that. 2062 02:23:20,800 --> 02:23:23,120 The way it's laid out is we decided to 2063 02:23:23,120 --> 02:23:27,120 add two Wednesdays to our one monthly 2064 02:23:27,120 --> 02:23:29,680 meeting. So, there'll be potential for 2065 02:23:29,680 --> 02:23:32,640 total of three meetings a month as we go 2066 02:23:32,640 --> 02:23:35,120 about conducting our work sessions. the 2067 02:23:35,120 --> 02:23:37,439 code there SV 2068 02:23:37,439 --> 02:23:39,040 that's the day that we typically have 2069 02:23:39,040 --> 02:23:41,760 site visits our monthly site visit day 2070 02:23:41,760 --> 02:23:44,720 followed by now we will do these work 2071 02:23:44,720 --> 02:23:46,640 sessions in the boardroom because of 2072 02:23:46,640 --> 02:23:50,080 this live streaming so that'll enable 2073 02:23:50,080 --> 02:23:52,080 our residents to be able to stay 2074 02:23:52,080 --> 02:23:53,359 involved whether they come here 2075 02:23:53,359 --> 02:23:55,680 physically or because of live streaming 2076 02:23:55,680 --> 02:24:00,000 so it's Wednesdays here site visit day 2077 02:24:00,000 --> 02:24:02,160 and we expect our work sessions to be 2078 02:24:02,160 --> 02:24:05,030 about three 2079 02:24:05,040 --> 02:24:08,160 the P/H question mark. Well, that's our 2080 02:24:08,160 --> 02:24:11,439 monthly public hearing meeting. Now, 2081 02:24:11,439 --> 02:24:13,439 there have been times where we only have 2082 02:24:13,439 --> 02:24:15,680 to have a public hearing for one, maybe 2083 02:24:15,680 --> 02:24:18,479 two applications, which leaves plenty of 2084 02:24:18,479 --> 02:24:20,720 time that evening for us to also squeeze 2085 02:24:20,720 --> 02:24:22,640 in another work session. At this point 2086 02:24:22,640 --> 02:24:24,240 in time, it's hard to tell which one of 2087 02:24:24,240 --> 02:24:26,479 our public hearings throughout the year 2088 02:24:26,479 --> 02:24:28,240 are going to be light or heavy. So, 2089 02:24:28,240 --> 02:24:30,479 that's why it's the question mark there. 2090 02:24:30,479 --> 02:24:32,160 So when it's possible, we'll squeeze in 2091 02:24:32,160 --> 02:24:34,319 more. And then the fourth Wednesday of 2092 02:24:34,319 --> 02:24:38,160 every month is that's that X you see 2093 02:24:38,160 --> 02:24:41,359 U will be a dedicated to work sessions. 2094 02:24:41,359 --> 02:24:44,640 When we went through the trying to come 2095 02:24:44,640 --> 02:24:47,600 up with the schedule, we anticipated how 2096 02:24:47,600 --> 02:24:49,120 many work sessions would be appropriate 2097 02:24:49,120 --> 02:24:52,604 given the subject matter. [snorts] 2098 02:24:52,604 --> 02:24:54,080 [clears throat] Built into that is we 2099 02:24:54,080 --> 02:24:57,680 added the our public hearing days. So 2100 02:24:57,680 --> 02:24:59,520 there's a little flexibility in thinking 2101 02:24:59,520 --> 02:25:01,600 that somehow or another this schedule 2102 02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:04,399 could hold up knowing full well that no 2103 02:25:04,399 --> 02:25:06,399 schedule last scheduling for more than a 2104 02:25:06,399 --> 02:25:09,120 month or two is going to hold up. So 2105 02:25:09,120 --> 02:25:10,800 this room has been reserved to the end 2106 02:25:10,800 --> 02:25:14,160 of October 2027. However, if this 2107 02:25:14,160 --> 02:25:16,479 schedule does hold up, we think we'll 2108 02:25:16,479 --> 02:25:18,960 have a we completed all the work 2109 02:25:18,960 --> 02:25:20,800 sessions necessary to be able to conduct 2110 02:25:20,800 --> 02:25:23,520 our own public hearing 2111 02:25:23,520 --> 02:25:26,000 to determine whether it's worthy of 2112 02:25:26,000 --> 02:25:28,160 adoption by the board of supervisors. 2113 02:25:28,160 --> 02:25:29,680 So, thinking that could be done in 2114 02:25:29,680 --> 02:25:32,399 August or September of 2027, we would 2115 02:25:32,399 --> 02:25:35,359 have a complete zoning ordinance ready 2116 02:25:35,359 --> 02:25:37,520 for your 2117 02:25:37,520 --> 02:25:39,760 proposed by us as saying it's no, it's 2118 02:25:39,760 --> 02:25:42,560 adoption worthy for you. 2119 02:25:42,560 --> 02:25:44,319 um 2120 02:25:44,319 --> 02:25:46,240 not included in this work session in 2121 02:25:46,240 --> 02:25:48,640 this calendar 2122 02:25:48,640 --> 02:25:52,240 is the frequency of which you would like 2123 02:25:52,240 --> 02:25:54,880 to be updated. Now when we talked back 2124 02:25:54,880 --> 02:25:57,840 in May at our joint meeting the idea of 2125 02:25:57,840 --> 02:26:00,800 having joint meetings to stay a breast 2126 02:26:00,800 --> 02:26:04,640 of each other's desires and and progress 2127 02:26:04,640 --> 02:26:06,640 so uh or whether it needs to be a 2128 02:26:06,640 --> 02:26:09,520 presentation like this. So two things, 2129 02:26:09,520 --> 02:26:13,439 one you see the calendar before you 2130 02:26:13,439 --> 02:26:15,136 and 2131 02:26:15,136 --> 02:26:17,760 [clears throat] and the other one is 2132 02:26:17,760 --> 02:26:20,319 how would you like to re be updated 2133 02:26:20,319 --> 02:26:22,000 joint meetings which have to be 2134 02:26:22,000 --> 02:26:24,160 scheduled. Our recommendation is we're 2135 02:26:24,160 --> 02:26:26,160 going to do joint meetings is every four 2136 02:26:26,160 --> 02:26:27,680 months. We think that's enough time for 2137 02:26:27,680 --> 02:26:29,840 us to make some real substantive 2138 02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:31,840 progress to have something worthwhile to 2139 02:26:31,840 --> 02:26:34,080 come and present at a joint meeting. But 2140 02:26:34,080 --> 02:26:35,520 if you want them more frequently or 2141 02:26:35,520 --> 02:26:37,600 quarterly or 2142 02:26:37,600 --> 02:26:39,520 six months, whatever. So that's my 2143 02:26:39,520 --> 02:26:40,640 question now. 2144 02:26:40,640 --> 02:26:43,120 >> Okay. Thank Thank you, Mr. Evans. You 2145 02:26:43,120 --> 02:26:44,800 want me just to pause here and 2146 02:26:44,800 --> 02:26:45,840 >> and then I'm going to mention something 2147 02:26:45,840 --> 02:26:47,120 else, but yes, I'm going to pause. 2148 02:26:47,120 --> 02:26:48,720 >> Do you want to continue before we 2149 02:26:48,720 --> 02:26:50,720 >> No, I'd like to know what Okay. The 2150 02:26:50,720 --> 02:26:52,240 desire. 2151 02:26:52,240 --> 02:26:54,479 Fair enough. So I think what I hear you 2152 02:26:54,479 --> 02:26:56,160 saying, uh, Mr. Evans, is that you're 2153 02:26:56,160 --> 02:26:57,840 recommending quarterly 2154 02:26:57,840 --> 02:26:58,640 >> four months. 2155 02:26:58,640 --> 02:27:02,399 >> Every four months. Okay. All right. 2156 02:27:02,399 --> 02:27:04,160 So, what I would like to do 2157 02:27:04,160 --> 02:27:08,560 is poll supervisors as to what um 2158 02:27:08,560 --> 02:27:10,720 obviously this is new stuff for us, but 2159 02:27:10,720 --> 02:27:13,040 do you have any initial reactions to 2160 02:27:13,040 --> 02:27:15,520 this, Mr. Jameson? 2161 02:27:15,520 --> 02:27:17,600 >> I have no problem with four months, you 2162 02:27:17,600 --> 02:27:17,840 know. 2163 02:27:17,840 --> 02:27:19,359 >> Okay. 2164 02:27:19,359 --> 02:27:21,600 >> That's what works for the board there. 2165 02:27:21,600 --> 02:27:23,439 >> And would that be a joint session of the 2166 02:27:23,439 --> 02:27:25,040 two bodies? 2167 02:27:25,040 --> 02:27:29,520 >> I don't really know. I don't think so. I think to the board itself would be 2168 02:27:29,520 --> 02:27:32,240 sufficient to me to our board. Just let 2169 02:27:32,240 --> 02:27:34,240 him come and present for an update. 2170 02:27:34,240 --> 02:27:35,760 >> Yeah, we'll see what everybody says. But 2171 02:27:35,760 --> 02:27:37,680 what I'm I'm just kind of looking at 2172 02:27:37,680 --> 02:27:40,560 body language. I'm kind of thinking that 2173 02:27:40,560 --> 02:27:42,479 um these every four month updates could 2174 02:27:42,479 --> 02:27:48,399 be um you and uh and or andor Ron uh 2175 02:27:48,399 --> 02:27:51,280 coming and having um an overview 2176 02:27:51,280 --> 02:27:56,800 presentation uh to the board. Um we'll just stop there for the moment. 2177 02:27:56,800 --> 02:27:57,200 Tim, 2178 02:27:57,200 --> 02:27:59,200 >> I'm good with every four months. And I 2179 02:27:59,200 --> 02:28:02,319 like the idea of either he coming in or 2180 02:28:02,319 --> 02:28:05,040 Ron or Bo both come in and just present 2181 02:28:05,040 --> 02:28:08,000 and that way it doesn't tie up all the 2182 02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:09,760 commissioners on the planning commission 2183 02:28:09,760 --> 02:28:12,000 so often. 2184 02:28:12,000 --> 02:28:13,120 >> Mr. Carter. 2185 02:28:13,120 --> 02:28:14,800 >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm fine with every four 2186 02:28:14,800 --> 02:28:16,880 months, but I think if it would be 2187 02:28:16,880 --> 02:28:18,479 possible 2188 02:28:18,479 --> 02:28:21,439 uh if you all could email us the updates 2189 02:28:21,439 --> 02:28:23,520 like when you go through articles one 2190 02:28:23,520 --> 02:28:26,160 through three and that's complete. if 2191 02:28:26,160 --> 02:28:28,160 you all could email that to us so we 2192 02:28:28,160 --> 02:28:30,640 could see it and you wouldn't 2193 02:28:30,640 --> 02:28:32,399 necessarily have to update it, but I'd 2194 02:28:32,399 --> 02:28:36,000 like to see what's been done. And uh I 2195 02:28:36,000 --> 02:28:38,319 don't disagree with your four parts you 2196 02:28:38,319 --> 02:28:40,240 started off with, but you need a fifth 2197 02:28:40,240 --> 02:28:43,760 part what the citizens want because we 2198 02:28:43,760 --> 02:28:46,800 got a lot of feedback from the citizens 2199 02:28:46,800 --> 02:28:50,000 and I want to make sure that you all get 2200 02:28:50,000 --> 02:28:53,600 that in this rework. 2201 02:28:53,600 --> 02:28:54,399 >> That's all I have. 2202 02:28:54,399 --> 02:28:56,479 >> Thank you, Mr. Carter. Mr. Mitchell, 2203 02:28:56,479 --> 02:28:58,479 >> I'm fine with that him coming every four 2204 02:28:58,479 --> 02:28:59,520 months. I've had some pretty 2205 02:28:59,520 --> 02:29:01,520 constructive conversations with my 2206 02:29:01,520 --> 02:29:01,840 >> Yes. 2207 02:29:01,840 --> 02:29:03,359 >> planning commissioner already. We've had 2208 02:29:03,359 --> 02:29:05,280 some good talks about [clears throat] 2209 02:29:05,280 --> 02:29:09,040 >> how we saw things going forward. Um, 2210 02:29:09,040 --> 02:29:12,319 I agree with uh Mike there about the um 2211 02:29:12,319 --> 02:29:15,200 about the citizen input, but I also I 2212 02:29:15,200 --> 02:29:16,640 asked that the planning commission be 2213 02:29:16,640 --> 02:29:19,280 very wary about not letting 2214 02:29:19,280 --> 02:29:22,479 a few people drag them around to decide 2215 02:29:22,479 --> 02:29:26,240 what the future of of this ordinance 2216 02:29:26,240 --> 02:29:28,479 looks like for the county to be mindful 2217 02:29:28,479 --> 02:29:30,880 of the county as a whole 2218 02:29:30,880 --> 02:29:33,200 >> and not a small piece of it. 2219 02:29:33,200 --> 02:29:36,560 >> Very good. Thank you, Mr. Quinn. 2220 02:29:36,560 --> 02:29:39,840 I think the four months works as a 2221 02:29:39,840 --> 02:29:41,439 >> I think the four months works as a 2222 02:29:41,439 --> 02:29:43,840 placeholder. One thought is I start 2223 02:29:43,840 --> 02:29:46,000 thinking about the updates that you'll 2224 02:29:46,000 --> 02:29:47,840 have and you might find wow there's a 2225 02:29:47,840 --> 02:29:50,240 lot of stuff here and maybe we should do 2226 02:29:50,240 --> 02:29:52,000 it earlier because there's so much stuff 2227 02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:54,319 to work and so yes we we have it 2228 02:29:54,319 --> 02:29:55,600 scheduled for four months but you 2229 02:29:55,600 --> 02:29:57,439 suddenly realize three months is is more 2230 02:29:57,439 --> 02:29:59,520 appropriate. And and then the other 2231 02:29:59,520 --> 02:30:02,319 comment I I'm thinking about is how you 2232 02:30:02,319 --> 02:30:04,319 prep us because I think about, you know, 2233 02:30:04,319 --> 02:30:06,880 when the consultant uh wanted feedback, 2234 02:30:06,880 --> 02:30:08,960 she handed us a 300page book and said, 2235 02:30:08,960 --> 02:30:12,479 "Do you have any questions?" Right. And and that didn't work at all. You 2236 02:30:12,479 --> 02:30:15,840 know, I think you've talked about u I 2237 02:30:15,840 --> 02:30:18,080 always come back to discretionary 2238 02:30:18,080 --> 02:30:20,720 changes and non-discretionary. And so 2239 02:30:20,720 --> 02:30:23,359 the non-discretionary are state mandates 2240 02:30:23,359 --> 02:30:24,800 that you have to do or you found 2241 02:30:24,800 --> 02:30:26,479 mistakes that have to be cleaned up. 2242 02:30:26,479 --> 02:30:29,520 those were um non-discretionary, 2243 02:30:29,520 --> 02:30:31,359 but but we encountered a lot of changes 2244 02:30:31,359 --> 02:30:33,439 that were discretionary like the bees 2245 02:30:33,439 --> 02:30:35,439 and chickens and and subdividing the 2246 02:30:35,439 --> 02:30:36,880 farmland. And I'm sure there are a lot 2247 02:30:36,880 --> 02:30:38,240 more and those those are going to 2248 02:30:38,240 --> 02:30:40,080 require a lot of discussions. And in 2249 02:30:40,080 --> 02:30:42,000 fact, I think it'll be helpful as you 2250 02:30:42,000 --> 02:30:47,920 look out for for you to bring stuff to us like that and almost ask us for a 2251 02:30:47,920 --> 02:30:50,399 vote because I so many of them were 2252 02:30:50,399 --> 02:30:52,080 they're not black and white. They're not 2253 02:30:52,080 --> 02:30:53,439 right or wrong. I think there'll be 2254 02:30:53,439 --> 02:30:56,000 different opinions on them. So, so 2255 02:30:56,000 --> 02:30:57,920 anyway, that's more than you wanted, but 2256 02:30:57,920 --> 02:31:01,280 yes. And I think that one just one last 2257 02:31:01,280 --> 02:31:03,680 change. I I do understand why you're 2258 02:31:03,680 --> 02:31:07,040 using uh the the current draft as 2259 02:31:07,040 --> 02:31:09,200 opposed to going back to our old draft. 2260 02:31:09,200 --> 02:31:10,880 That makes a lot of sense to me. 2261 02:31:10,880 --> 02:31:13,280 However, it's now going to be more 2262 02:31:13,280 --> 02:31:15,439 difficult and more uh for you to tell us 2263 02:31:15,439 --> 02:31:17,200 what changed, right? Because you don't 2264 02:31:17,200 --> 02:31:19,600 have that red line version to go from 2265 02:31:19,600 --> 02:31:21,439 what it was to what it is. You only have 2266 02:31:21,439 --> 02:31:23,520 what it is. And so it's going to be a 2267 02:31:23,520 --> 02:31:25,680 little trickier for you to identify what 2268 02:31:25,680 --> 02:31:28,240 changed and and what what are material 2269 02:31:28,240 --> 02:31:32,560 changes that we really need to focus on. 2270 02:31:32,560 --> 02:31:35,439 >> Yeah. Thank you, Mr. Quinn. Uh if I may, 2271 02:31:35,439 --> 02:31:38,479 um uh Mr. Evans, I I think my colleagues 2272 02:31:38,479 --> 02:31:40,880 are hitting on some really good points. 2273 02:31:40,880 --> 02:31:45,600 Um, I really do uh I like the um every 2274 02:31:45,600 --> 02:31:50,000 uh four months and um I definitely think 2275 02:31:50,000 --> 02:31:53,520 that uh incremental updates um by 2276 02:31:53,520 --> 02:31:56,880 section would be most helpful. Um so but 2277 02:31:56,880 --> 02:32:00,399 it's a lot for us to just get um you 2278 02:32:00,399 --> 02:32:03,280 know the next draft and and just be 2279 02:32:03,280 --> 02:32:05,439 charged with you know sitting and 2280 02:32:05,439 --> 02:32:10,160 reviewing you know copious pages of of this and we'll be able to you know 2281 02:32:10,160 --> 02:32:12,000 give more direct attention to it in that 2282 02:32:12,000 --> 02:32:16,560 way. Um I could envision depending upon 2283 02:32:16,560 --> 02:32:20,640 the planning commission's progress um we 2284 02:32:20,640 --> 02:32:22,880 might want to have 2285 02:32:22,880 --> 02:32:24,240 I don't know I'm thinking off the cuff 2286 02:32:24,240 --> 02:32:25,600 here. we might want to have a joint 2287 02:32:25,600 --> 02:32:27,840 meeting with the planning commission um 2288 02:32:27,840 --> 02:32:29,840 prior to 2289 02:32:29,840 --> 02:32:33,439 um the planning commission's um 2290 02:32:33,439 --> 02:32:35,040 presentation and recommendation to the 2291 02:32:35,040 --> 02:32:37,520 board of supervisors. U but you all 2292 02:32:37,520 --> 02:32:39,520 that's not anything that I'm saying go 2293 02:32:39,520 --> 02:32:41,760 do. Um I'm just thinking out loud a 2294 02:32:41,760 --> 02:32:43,840 little bit. Um is there my question to 2295 02:32:43,840 --> 02:32:46,399 myself is is there a time where we might 2296 02:32:46,399 --> 02:32:48,319 want to engage both bodies around the 2297 02:32:48,319 --> 02:32:50,880 table uh just to cover thoughts 2298 02:32:50,880 --> 02:32:53,120 questions and at that point we would 2299 02:32:53,120 --> 02:32:55,600 have the benefit of the full draft. Does 2300 02:32:55,600 --> 02:32:57,600 that make sense? 2301 02:32:57,600 --> 02:33:00,319 I um I would recommend that there at 2302 02:33:00,319 --> 02:33:02,720 least be one or two joint sessions 2303 02:33:02,720 --> 02:33:05,280 because in that kind of a meeting 2304 02:33:05,280 --> 02:33:07,680 there's a open discussion and a better 2305 02:33:07,680 --> 02:33:11,680 clear understanding of us and the entire 2306 02:33:11,680 --> 02:33:12,479 board 2307 02:33:12,479 --> 02:33:15,680 >> as to when that should be done. I guess 2308 02:33:15,680 --> 02:33:18,720 as we pro proceed it'll become more 2309 02:33:18,720 --> 02:33:21,200 obvious as to when's a good point to 2310 02:33:21,200 --> 02:33:22,240 request that. 2311 02:33:22,240 --> 02:33:24,960 >> Sure. And we can this is a fluid process 2312 02:33:24,960 --> 02:33:26,560 obviously as you were saying with the 2313 02:33:26,560 --> 02:33:28,800 work sessions and all you know golly if 2314 02:33:28,800 --> 02:33:30,560 we could get done before next fall that 2315 02:33:30,560 --> 02:33:32,720 would be fantastic but nobody wants to 2316 02:33:32,720 --> 02:33:35,040 meet five times a month either um you 2317 02:33:35,040 --> 02:33:36,880 know and your hour your meetings are 2318 02:33:36,880 --> 02:33:38,080 three hours long is what you're 2319 02:33:38,080 --> 02:33:41,520 projecting anyway um I would and I don't 2320 02:33:41,520 --> 02:33:43,040 know what your preparation is going to 2321 02:33:43,040 --> 02:33:45,920 be with regard to illustrating um 2322 02:33:45,920 --> 02:33:48,479 changes over the current draft because 2323 02:33:48,479 --> 02:33:51,200 we're not working on well you tell me um 2324 02:33:51,200 --> 02:33:53,600 the changes are You are you guys looking 2325 02:33:53,600 --> 02:33:54,960 at the changes over the current 2326 02:33:54,960 --> 02:33:58,000 ordinance or the draft? 2327 02:33:58,000 --> 02:34:00,240 >> Mostly we're going to use the format of 2328 02:34:00,240 --> 02:34:02,319 what has been proposed, 2329 02:34:02,319 --> 02:34:03,680 >> but content, 2330 02:34:03,680 --> 02:34:06,319 >> but the content of what's in chapter 25 2331 02:34:06,319 --> 02:34:10,000 of your current zoning ordinance. Um, I 2332 02:34:10,000 --> 02:34:11,600 also like to point out we're not going 2333 02:34:11,600 --> 02:34:15,257 to lose track of that, but we're also 2334 02:34:15,257 --> 02:34:16,399 [clears throat] 2335 02:34:16,399 --> 02:34:18,800 in our work sessions, we came up with a 2336 02:34:18,800 --> 02:34:22,399 four-page action plan to account for the 2337 02:34:22,399 --> 02:34:25,359 fact that there we've received a massive 2338 02:34:25,359 --> 02:34:29,280 amount of input from our residents. 2339 02:34:29,280 --> 02:34:30,160 And we're going [clears throat] to divvy 2340 02:34:30,160 --> 02:34:31,920 those all those questions and concerns 2341 02:34:31,920 --> 02:34:34,399 and comments up amongst all of us to see 2342 02:34:34,399 --> 02:34:36,479 to it for all the time the citizens put 2343 02:34:36,479 --> 02:34:40,080 into giving us feedback. Did we in fact 2344 02:34:40,080 --> 02:34:43,040 look at it, address it? And so as we're 2345 02:34:43,040 --> 02:34:44,720 going through the entire zoning 2346 02:34:44,720 --> 02:34:47,520 ordinance, we're making sure what it is 2347 02:34:47,520 --> 02:34:50,160 that came up in in just I mean truly 2348 02:34:50,160 --> 02:34:52,560 it's a lot of comments that were were 2349 02:34:52,560 --> 02:34:54,080 they addressed and if they weren't, 2350 02:34:54,080 --> 02:34:55,760 we'll know which still needs to be 2351 02:34:55,760 --> 02:34:57,359 addressed. So we're going to take care 2352 02:34:57,359 --> 02:35:00,800 of that. Also the matter of citizen 2353 02:35:00,800 --> 02:35:02,640 participation 2354 02:35:02,640 --> 02:35:05,600 um we [clears throat] have said for our 2355 02:35:05,600 --> 02:35:08,080 work sessions we have two signup sheets 2356 02:35:08,080 --> 02:35:10,479 based on the topic. People selfidentify 2357 02:35:10,479 --> 02:35:12,800 as subject matter experts. They get to 2358 02:35:12,800 --> 02:35:15,200 speak first and then we'll open it up to 2359 02:35:15,200 --> 02:35:19,520 the comments from the uh residents. So 2360 02:35:19,520 --> 02:35:21,520 this like a general uh public comment 2361 02:35:21,520 --> 02:35:23,439 period 2362 02:35:23,439 --> 02:35:26,800 because we re realize that without their 2363 02:35:26,800 --> 02:35:29,040 the citizens support and their genuine 2364 02:35:29,040 --> 02:35:31,200 concern now to move forward without 2365 02:35:31,200 --> 02:35:33,120 their ability to feel comfortable with 2366 02:35:33,120 --> 02:35:34,720 it would would just be 2367 02:35:34,720 --> 02:35:35,920 counterproductive. 2368 02:35:35,920 --> 02:35:38,399 >> Well to Mr. Mitchell's point um I want 2369 02:35:38,399 --> 02:35:41,680 to make sure that there is very very 2370 02:35:41,680 --> 02:35:43,680 good fluid communication across the 2371 02:35:43,680 --> 02:35:44,560 entire county. 2372 02:35:44,560 --> 02:35:45,439 >> Yes. 2373 02:35:45,439 --> 02:35:47,760 um you know making sure our residents 2374 02:35:47,760 --> 02:35:50,240 know from every facet of our county 2375 02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:52,720 footprint what's going on what the dates 2376 02:35:52,720 --> 02:35:56,319 are uh maybe if there is any way to put 2377 02:35:56,319 --> 02:35:59,120 you know some marginal updates on on the 2378 02:35:59,120 --> 02:36:00,880 website I don't know what your 2379 02:36:00,880 --> 02:36:03,439 mechanisms in place are but I want to 2380 02:36:03,439 --> 02:36:05,680 make sure that we have opportunities to 2381 02:36:05,680 --> 02:36:08,080 hear from each and every citizen across 2382 02:36:08,080 --> 02:36:10,160 the county should they wish to do so 2383 02:36:10,160 --> 02:36:12,000 >> Mrs. Cooper and the planning department 2384 02:36:12,000 --> 02:36:13,920 has come up with a new system by which 2385 02:36:13,920 --> 02:36:15,760 to alert the the community. 2386 02:36:15,760 --> 02:36:16,800 >> Yes. Yes. Yes. 2387 02:36:16,800 --> 02:36:18,800 >> Um and they will be seeing this schedule 2388 02:36:18,800 --> 02:36:20,479 now that you've seen it and you agree 2389 02:36:20,479 --> 02:36:21,359 with it. 2390 02:36:21,359 --> 02:36:23,040 >> Now, Victor, I will interrupt you to say 2391 02:36:23,040 --> 02:36:25,200 that that if you're working on the 2392 02:36:25,200 --> 02:36:27,520 emergency alert system or I'm not even 2393 02:36:27,520 --> 02:36:29,760 sure I'm characterizing it. That's for 2394 02:36:29,760 --> 02:36:32,000 people that sign up. If you're not 2395 02:36:32,000 --> 02:36:34,399 signed up, you're not reached, right? 2396 02:36:34,399 --> 02:36:36,960 >> Um yes, ma'am. It is for people that has 2397 02:36:36,960 --> 02:36:37,600 signed up. 2398 02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:39,359 >> So, we're still going to miss people. 2399 02:36:39,359 --> 02:36:41,600 There'll be two methods. I mean, we do 2400 02:36:41,600 --> 02:36:43,760 have a lot of public participation that 2401 02:36:43,760 --> 02:36:45,600 they're aware of what we're doing and 2402 02:36:45,600 --> 02:36:47,120 they're also assisting us with getting 2403 02:36:47,120 --> 02:36:49,439 the word out so that they know that on 2404 02:36:49,439 --> 02:36:51,359 the county website, this schedule will 2405 02:36:51,359 --> 02:36:54,319 be posted with the topic issues. And 2406 02:36:54,319 --> 02:36:56,080 we're working on making sure that in 2407 02:36:56,080 --> 02:36:58,479 preparation for each of these work 2408 02:36:58,479 --> 02:37:01,200 sessions, the uh company documents are 2409 02:37:01,200 --> 02:37:03,200 well identified so people can review 2410 02:37:03,200 --> 02:37:04,800 them too prior to the work sessions. 2411 02:37:04,800 --> 02:37:05,920 >> Yeah. I just don't want to take for 2412 02:37:05,920 --> 02:37:10,000 granted that that system is adequate. 2413 02:37:10,000 --> 02:37:12,160 Um, you know, that was one of the big 2414 02:37:12,160 --> 02:37:14,880 problems we had, lessons learned. Um, 2415 02:37:14,880 --> 02:37:16,640 you know, to make sure that we are 2416 02:37:16,640 --> 02:37:19,200 reaching our public and our citizens. 2417 02:37:19,200 --> 02:37:21,520 This is their, you know, document. It's 2418 02:37:21,520 --> 02:37:24,640 our guiding legal document. Um, so I 2419 02:37:24,640 --> 02:37:26,720 don't think we can do enough um to 2420 02:37:26,720 --> 02:37:28,240 ensure that our citizens are being 2421 02:37:28,240 --> 02:37:29,520 reached. Miss Cooper, did you have 2422 02:37:29,520 --> 02:37:29,840 something? 2423 02:37:29,840 --> 02:37:32,319 >> Yes. And we we're still keeping up the 2424 02:37:32,319 --> 02:37:34,319 page for the zoning ordinance and that 2425 02:37:34,319 --> 02:37:36,640 notifies individuals too when we put 2426 02:37:36,640 --> 02:37:39,040 something new up there. So, we'll be 2427 02:37:39,040 --> 02:37:42,319 using that. Also, I thought about too, 2428 02:37:42,319 --> 02:37:45,439 it doesn't um reach everybody, but we 2429 02:37:45,439 --> 02:37:47,520 still do the planning monthly. Um 2430 02:37:47,520 --> 02:37:50,479 there's always space where we could put 2431 02:37:50,479 --> 02:37:52,399 um something about what because staff 2432 02:37:52,399 --> 02:37:54,080 should know if we're far ahead or if 2433 02:37:54,080 --> 02:37:57,040 we're running a little bit behind um of 2434 02:37:57,040 --> 02:37:59,439 what articles we would be talking about 2435 02:37:59,439 --> 02:38:03,040 or if it's just one article. Um I can 2436 02:38:03,040 --> 02:38:06,319 probably I thought about talking to um 2437 02:38:06,319 --> 02:38:08,319 Mr. Tosh and see if he had any other 2438 02:38:08,319 --> 02:38:11,600 ideas to be able to get the word out. I 2439 02:38:11,600 --> 02:38:13,040 mean, we can put it on our Facebook 2440 02:38:13,040 --> 02:38:16,399 page, have it on our website, have it on 2441 02:38:16,399 --> 02:38:20,399 that site um to try to get out to people 2442 02:38:20,399 --> 02:38:23,040 um to at least get them to look at to 2443 02:38:23,040 --> 02:38:25,680 see what affects them. Yeah. And I think 2444 02:38:25,680 --> 02:38:27,359 the board's in concurrence about the 2445 02:38:27,359 --> 02:38:30,479 communication pieces. Am I uh not 2446 02:38:30,479 --> 02:38:32,960 speaking representative of everyone up 2447 02:38:32,960 --> 02:38:35,120 here? Um so that's great. So, Victor, 2448 02:38:35,120 --> 02:38:37,680 back to my question. you're going to be 2449 02:38:37,680 --> 02:38:40,479 evaluating against 2450 02:38:40,479 --> 02:38:43,840 the draft, keeping in mind what the um 2451 02:38:43,840 --> 02:38:46,399 foundational document looks like. Will 2452 02:38:46,399 --> 02:38:49,439 you be able to redline your changes so 2453 02:38:49,439 --> 02:38:51,439 that we can we don't have to read 2454 02:38:51,439 --> 02:38:53,040 everything and look at footnotes? Can 2455 02:38:53,040 --> 02:38:57,040 you redline your changes? I think given 2456 02:38:57,040 --> 02:38:58,880 what [clears throat] 2457 02:38:58,880 --> 02:39:00,479 that's challenging because the way 2458 02:39:00,479 --> 02:39:03,760 chapter 25 is set up versus the new 2459 02:39:03,760 --> 02:39:06,880 format that we're using to identify via 2460 02:39:06,880 --> 02:39:08,720 redlinining process has been the 2461 02:39:08,720 --> 02:39:11,840 challenge. My expectation is that you'll 2462 02:39:11,840 --> 02:39:14,640 be able to 2463 02:39:14,640 --> 02:39:17,600 my desire is to see to it that it's 2464 02:39:17,600 --> 02:39:20,800 obvious as to what got removed or 2465 02:39:20,800 --> 02:39:21,680 carried over. 2466 02:39:21,680 --> 02:39:23,200 >> I would just ask you keep that in mind 2467 02:39:23,200 --> 02:39:25,120 as a request. That's just me. I don't 2468 02:39:25,120 --> 02:39:26,560 know what the board, you know, 2469 02:39:26,560 --> 02:39:27,920 >> I think everybody wants that. 2470 02:39:27,920 --> 02:39:30,160 >> Okay. Well, I my colleagues can weigh in 2471 02:39:30,160 --> 02:39:32,160 as they wish. Um, for 2472 02:39:32,160 --> 02:39:33,120 >> we support that. 2473 02:39:33,120 --> 02:39:36,000 >> Okay. Anybody else on the board have any 2474 02:39:36,000 --> 02:39:36,560 Mr. 2475 02:39:36,560 --> 02:39:38,240 >> One request, Lisa, if you could, when 2476 02:39:38,240 --> 02:39:40,319 you put this information out, you may 2477 02:39:40,319 --> 02:39:43,040 put an asterk that this pertains to the 2478 02:39:43,040 --> 02:39:45,120 zoned sections of Franklin County and 2479 02:39:45,120 --> 02:39:47,359 not the unzoneed sections of Franklin 2480 02:39:47,359 --> 02:39:47,920 County. 2481 02:39:47,920 --> 02:39:50,399 >> Okay. So that the little lady that 2482 02:39:50,399 --> 02:39:53,200 called me back in the spring was scared 2483 02:39:53,200 --> 02:39:54,560 to death that she was going to have to 2484 02:39:54,560 --> 02:39:55,920 get rid of her chickens. 2485 02:39:55,920 --> 02:39:56,479 >> Yeah. 2486 02:39:56,479 --> 02:40:00,000 >> And I mean she was she was scared, 2487 02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:00,399 >> right? 2488 02:40:00,399 --> 02:40:02,399 >> And because she didn't understand grant, 2489 02:40:02,399 --> 02:40:04,160 you know, she's probably in her early 2490 02:40:04,160 --> 02:40:07,120 80s and and this really worried her and 2491 02:40:07,120 --> 02:40:09,920 uh I assured her that she did not have 2492 02:40:09,920 --> 02:40:11,680 to get rid of her chicken. So if you 2493 02:40:11,680 --> 02:40:13,840 will put that on there that this is for 2494 02:40:13,840 --> 02:40:17,040 the zoned area, not the unzoned area. 2495 02:40:17,040 --> 02:40:19,600 And my my closing remark if I could. Um 2496 02:40:19,600 --> 02:40:21,840 and of course my colleagues may have 2497 02:40:21,840 --> 02:40:25,120 some closing remarks. Um I think you've 2498 02:40:25,120 --> 02:40:26,800 heard me say numerous times. I think the 2499 02:40:26,800 --> 02:40:30,479 board has even said it. Um my personal 2500 02:40:30,479 --> 02:40:33,359 opinion on the document that that we 2501 02:40:33,359 --> 02:40:37,680 had. Um we want to see a document that 2502 02:40:37,680 --> 02:40:40,240 is Franklin County. 2503 02:40:40,240 --> 02:40:42,960 Um, you know, and I know it it's helpful 2504 02:40:42,960 --> 02:40:45,439 to do other locality comparisons to see 2505 02:40:45,439 --> 02:40:48,560 where we to see where we sit regionally 2506 02:40:48,560 --> 02:40:51,120 perhaps, but you know, the focus on 2507 02:40:51,120 --> 02:40:52,800 making sure that the needs of Franklin 2508 02:40:52,800 --> 02:40:55,040 County are being met through the zoning 2509 02:40:55,040 --> 02:40:57,120 ordinance and with best practices of 2510 02:40:57,120 --> 02:40:59,920 course in place, finding that balance, I 2511 02:40:59,920 --> 02:41:01,680 think, is going to be critical. 2512 02:41:01,680 --> 02:41:04,640 >> I think what um we believe you'll end up 2513 02:41:04,640 --> 02:41:07,040 with is a document that can take on any 2514 02:41:07,040 --> 02:41:08,160 kind of question. 2515 02:41:08,160 --> 02:41:09,040 >> Yes. 2516 02:41:09,040 --> 02:41:10,880 um [clears throat] 2517 02:41:10,880 --> 02:41:13,359 and and have staff be able to provide 2518 02:41:13,359 --> 02:41:15,600 leadership answers and also citizens 2519 02:41:15,600 --> 02:41:17,359 answers because of the way it's going to 2520 02:41:17,359 --> 02:41:19,920 be formatted. You take your specific 2521 02:41:19,920 --> 02:41:22,560 issue or scenario and you know where 2522 02:41:22,560 --> 02:41:25,760 those different aspects align 2523 02:41:25,760 --> 02:41:28,319 >> so that um we're not talking about well 2524 02:41:28,319 --> 02:41:30,240 I don't know let's make a good guess. 2525 02:41:30,240 --> 02:41:31,760 That's what we're trying to make happen. 2526 02:41:31,760 --> 02:41:32,160 >> So 2527 02:41:32,160 --> 02:41:33,680 >> with the new format that's possible. I 2528 02:41:33,680 --> 02:41:34,960 do have one more thing to bring up. 2529 02:41:34,960 --> 02:41:38,240 >> Oh please I'm sorry. Please go ahead. 2530 02:41:38,240 --> 02:41:40,800 Um, so I'm assuming [snorts] 2531 02:41:40,800 --> 02:41:42,560 right now this schedule we can move 2532 02:41:42,560 --> 02:41:44,880 forward with and that we're going to go 2533 02:41:44,880 --> 02:41:47,840 ahead uh analyzing the format that was 2534 02:41:47,840 --> 02:41:50,479 proposed to make sure it is very user 2535 02:41:50,479 --> 02:41:51,760 friendly. That's our objective. 2536 02:41:51,760 --> 02:41:54,560 >> Let's get a quick Okay. Is everybody 2537 02:41:54,560 --> 02:41:56,160 okay with the schedule and the 2538 02:41:56,160 --> 02:41:58,479 formatting that's been discussed? 2539 02:41:58,479 --> 02:42:00,479 >> Okay, there you go. Victor, 2540 02:42:00,479 --> 02:42:02,960 >> I um want to take this opportunity to 2541 02:42:02,960 --> 02:42:05,680 inform the board that our monthly 2542 02:42:05,680 --> 02:42:08,960 meetings um have several public comment 2543 02:42:08,960 --> 02:42:10,800 recommendations 2544 02:42:10,800 --> 02:42:12,640 that we 2545 02:42:12,640 --> 02:42:15,760 focus our initial efforts on simply 2546 02:42:15,760 --> 02:42:18,319 drafting an amendment to the current 2547 02:42:18,319 --> 02:42:20,800 zoning ordinance that addresses all 2548 02:42:20,800 --> 02:42:23,840 conditions and standards related to data 2549 02:42:23,840 --> 02:42:27,030 centers. 2550 02:42:27,040 --> 02:42:28,800 And I thought it was incumbent upon us 2551 02:42:28,800 --> 02:42:32,240 to make you aware, I'm sure you are, but 2552 02:42:32,240 --> 02:42:34,880 that we have been asked by the citizens 2553 02:42:34,880 --> 02:42:37,200 to instead of waiting for the entire 2554 02:42:37,200 --> 02:42:39,840 zoning ordinance to be reviewed and 2555 02:42:39,840 --> 02:42:43,439 proposed as adoption ready 2556 02:42:43,439 --> 02:42:46,000 data centers right now in this format is 2557 02:42:46,000 --> 02:42:48,160 in during the commercial industrial 2558 02:42:48,160 --> 02:42:50,319 section. 2559 02:42:50,319 --> 02:42:54,080 >> So we're talking about March. 2560 02:42:54,080 --> 02:42:56,000 We don't know what the desire is of the 2561 02:42:56,000 --> 02:42:57,920 board right now. What we did is we gave 2562 02:42:57,920 --> 02:43:00,160 you what you asked us to do. This is our 2563 02:43:00,160 --> 02:43:02,399 process. But we don't know if the board 2564 02:43:02,399 --> 02:43:05,600 says you know there are certain things 2565 02:43:05,600 --> 02:43:08,160 that we feel are so important. Let's get 2566 02:43:08,160 --> 02:43:10,880 them done first now 2567 02:43:10,880 --> 02:43:12,640 as you go through the process of 2568 02:43:12,640 --> 02:43:14,560 reviewing. You can get back to that. But 2569 02:43:14,560 --> 02:43:16,000 there's certain things you want done 2570 02:43:16,000 --> 02:43:18,080 now. And obviously data centers are the 2571 02:43:18,080 --> 02:43:21,680 popular thing. So, we just wanted to ask 2572 02:43:21,680 --> 02:43:24,399 if the board wants us to proceed as 2573 02:43:24,399 --> 02:43:26,479 scheduled or is there something you 2574 02:43:26,479 --> 02:43:29,920 think we should do now as a proposed 2575 02:43:29,920 --> 02:43:31,280 amendment to the current zoning 2576 02:43:31,280 --> 02:43:32,479 ordinance? 2577 02:43:32,479 --> 02:43:35,040 >> Okay, that's a great question. Um, let's 2578 02:43:35,040 --> 02:43:36,720 have some feedback, Mr. Tatum. 2579 02:43:36,720 --> 02:43:39,439 >> I I personally I think this needs to be 2580 02:43:39,439 --> 02:43:41,760 a countywide ordinance that we need to 2581 02:43:41,760 --> 02:43:42,560 look at. Not 2582 02:43:42,560 --> 02:43:44,080 >> I'm sorry. [clears throat] This this 2583 02:43:44,080 --> 02:43:46,640 particular item needs to be looked at as 2584 02:43:46,640 --> 02:43:49,200 a countywide ordinance similar to our 2585 02:43:49,200 --> 02:43:52,720 solar farm ordinance that we have that 2586 02:43:52,720 --> 02:43:56,000 limits uh the acreage and sets, you 2587 02:43:56,000 --> 02:43:57,600 know, sets the guidelines as far as 2588 02:43:57,600 --> 02:44:00,720 setbacks and this sort of thing. Um not 2589 02:44:00,720 --> 02:44:04,720 just protection and in the zoned areas. 2590 02:44:04,720 --> 02:44:06,319 This is something that we need 2591 02:44:06,319 --> 02:44:08,960 countywide so that the entire county is 2592 02:44:08,960 --> 02:44:11,120 protected because this is a major 2593 02:44:11,120 --> 02:44:14,479 concern for everybody in Franklin 2594 02:44:14,479 --> 02:44:17,920 County. And uh you know, right now I've 2595 02:44:17,920 --> 02:44:21,200 had I've been explaining to people left 2596 02:44:21,200 --> 02:44:23,760 and right in my district that where 2597 02:44:23,760 --> 02:44:26,319 we're not zoned that we currently have 2598 02:44:26,319 --> 02:44:30,640 no protections against a data center. 2599 02:44:30,640 --> 02:44:34,800 And so that may require some some help 2600 02:44:34,800 --> 02:44:37,520 from our our county attorney as some 2601 02:44:37,520 --> 02:44:39,920 guidance as to where to go with this. 2602 02:44:39,920 --> 02:44:42,479 But I would like to see this expanded 2603 02:44:42,479 --> 02:44:47,200 not just for as a zoning uh ordinance 2604 02:44:47,200 --> 02:44:50,960 plan as part of our county zoning, but a 2605 02:44:50,960 --> 02:44:53,279 ordinance countywide 2606 02:44:53,279 --> 02:44:55,359 that puts some restrictions in place 2607 02:44:55,359 --> 02:44:58,319 that that we can enforce that gives that 2608 02:44:58,319 --> 02:45:01,040 offers some protections. 2609 02:45:01,040 --> 02:45:03,760 >> So, Mr. Mr. Tatum, what I'm hearing with 2610 02:45:03,760 --> 02:45:06,000 the question that's on the table is you 2611 02:45:06,000 --> 02:45:08,399 would like the data center ordinance to 2612 02:45:08,399 --> 02:45:09,840 be pulled to be worked on. 2613 02:45:09,840 --> 02:45:12,560 >> I'd like for it needs to be immediate 2614 02:45:12,560 --> 02:45:17,120 and that's the feedback we need. That's important to the people and we 2615 02:45:17,120 --> 02:45:19,760 need to get those those uh standards in 2616 02:45:19,760 --> 02:45:21,680 place and those protections in place. 2617 02:45:21,680 --> 02:45:23,120 >> All right, Mr. Mitchell. Thank you, Mr. 2618 02:45:23,120 --> 02:45:24,560 Tatum. Okay, Mr. Mitchell. 2619 02:45:24,560 --> 02:45:26,399 >> So [clears throat] So Tatum has brought 2620 02:45:26,399 --> 02:45:30,080 that up several times. So 2621 02:45:30,080 --> 02:45:32,800 Mr. Dadak, would you please give us an 2622 02:45:32,800 --> 02:45:35,600 answer on how an ordinance works in an 2623 02:45:35,600 --> 02:45:37,840 unzoned area and what type of protection 2624 02:45:37,840 --> 02:45:39,680 there is in an unzoned area for these 2625 02:45:39,680 --> 02:45:40,960 type things? 2626 02:45:40,960 --> 02:45:43,040 >> It's going to be hard on data centers on 2627 02:45:43,040 --> 02:45:45,439 the solar farms. The reason the comp 2628 02:45:45,439 --> 02:45:47,279 plan gives protection to the zoned areas 2629 02:45:47,279 --> 02:45:51,040 with 2232 review which gives you that 2630 02:45:51,040 --> 02:45:52,960 enforcement mechanism where you actually 2631 02:45:52,960 --> 02:45:54,960 have to approve a solar farm in 2632 02:45:54,960 --> 02:45:58,479 non-zoned areas. Without that review, 2633 02:45:58,479 --> 02:46:01,680 you could have solar farm 2634 02:46:01,680 --> 02:46:03,840 language in your comp plan, but you have 2635 02:46:03,840 --> 02:46:05,520 no way to enforce it because they would 2636 02:46:05,520 --> 02:46:07,600 never have to come to you for approval. 2637 02:46:07,600 --> 02:46:10,800 Um, as part of this process, I will keep 2638 02:46:10,800 --> 02:46:13,920 looking, but I'll be honest, it's 2639 02:46:13,920 --> 02:46:15,680 you can enforce building code, fire 2640 02:46:15,680 --> 02:46:18,319 code, electrical code, you know, things 2641 02:46:18,319 --> 02:46:21,279 that are countywide and that have 2642 02:46:21,279 --> 02:46:23,680 statutory basis in something other than 2643 02:46:23,680 --> 02:46:25,920 zoning. But the problem is in terms of 2644 02:46:25,920 --> 02:46:28,479 regulating land use, the attorney 2645 02:46:28,479 --> 02:46:30,319 general opinions, the law is pretty 2646 02:46:30,319 --> 02:46:33,279 clear. It's it's zoning where the county 2647 02:46:33,279 --> 02:46:35,279 can use police powers to regulate land 2648 02:46:35,279 --> 02:46:38,000 use. We will look at every possible 2649 02:46:38,000 --> 02:46:39,520 avenue in terms of what other 2650 02:46:39,520 --> 02:46:42,319 enforcement there can be, but it it it's 2651 02:46:42,319 --> 02:46:44,560 going to be hard. We will take a close 2652 02:46:44,560 --> 02:46:46,880 look, but it doesn't have an easy answer 2653 02:46:46,880 --> 02:46:49,040 like the solar farms do where there is a 2654 02:46:49,040 --> 02:46:51,279 comp plan review that requires approval. 2655 02:46:51,279 --> 02:46:54,720 So zoning being the only way to affect 2656 02:46:54,720 --> 02:46:56,240 land use, 2657 02:46:56,240 --> 02:46:57,520 >> that is the only way to regulate land 2658 02:46:57,520 --> 02:46:59,680 use. That's correct. For example, with 2659 02:46:59,680 --> 02:47:01,200 the short-term rentals, there's a 2660 02:47:01,200 --> 02:47:02,720 statute that talks about that you can 2661 02:47:02,720 --> 02:47:04,240 require registration of short-term 2662 02:47:04,240 --> 02:47:06,479 rentals. And that's how we have that in 2663 02:47:06,479 --> 02:47:08,800 non-zoned areas. But for non-zoned 2664 02:47:08,800 --> 02:47:10,319 areas, you have to find a statutory 2665 02:47:10,319 --> 02:47:12,800 authority other than zoning for you to 2666 02:47:12,800 --> 02:47:15,439 do anything in terms of land use in your 2667 02:47:15,439 --> 02:47:17,040 non-zoned areas. Obviously, you got 2668 02:47:17,040 --> 02:47:19,040 building permits, all that. That's 2669 02:47:19,040 --> 02:47:21,840 countywide. That's not zoning. But to 2670 02:47:21,840 --> 02:47:23,760 regulate the land use, to approve a land 2671 02:47:23,760 --> 02:47:25,040 use, that's zoning. 2672 02:47:25,040 --> 02:47:26,960 >> So that's how you have a control over 2673 02:47:26,960 --> 02:47:29,680 short-term rentals, mobile home parks, 2674 02:47:29,680 --> 02:47:31,359 and things like that in a non-zoned 2675 02:47:31,359 --> 02:47:32,880 area. But when it comes to a land use, 2676 02:47:32,880 --> 02:47:35,760 which for these examples would be solar 2677 02:47:35,760 --> 02:47:38,399 farms and data and data centers, there 2678 02:47:38,399 --> 02:47:41,120 is no protection in an unzoneed. 2679 02:47:41,120 --> 02:47:46,080 >> Well, for solar farms, they're they're considered a utility facility. 2680 02:47:46,080 --> 02:47:48,160 So they had the 2232 review process, 2681 02:47:48,160 --> 02:47:50,399 >> but if they come up in conformance, 2682 02:47:50,399 --> 02:47:52,399 >> if they come up in conformance, 2683 02:47:52,399 --> 02:47:53,040 >> yeah, 2684 02:47:53,040 --> 02:47:55,200 >> we're obligated by law. 2685 02:47:55,200 --> 02:47:58,240 >> That's correct. Um, so for example, data 2686 02:47:58,240 --> 02:47:59,600 centers right now, you could add comp 2687 02:47:59,600 --> 02:48:02,560 plan language, but it would never come 2688 02:48:02,560 --> 02:48:06,000 to you as a comp plan approval unless 2689 02:48:06,000 --> 02:48:09,120 the stat unless they make data centers a 2690 02:48:09,120 --> 02:48:11,439 utility facility on 2232, but that's up 2691 02:48:11,439 --> 02:48:13,120 to Richmond, unfortunately. Not. We 2692 02:48:13,120 --> 02:48:15,040 could change that in the comp plan and 2693 02:48:15,040 --> 02:48:16,560 they can still get around it. 2694 02:48:16,560 --> 02:48:18,160 >> That's right. Because there's no 2695 02:48:18,160 --> 02:48:19,920 enforcement mechanism right now under 2696 02:48:19,920 --> 02:48:22,080 the statutory scheme that Richmond's 2697 02:48:22,080 --> 02:48:25,040 given you. Um cuz like with the utility 2698 02:48:25,040 --> 02:48:27,520 solar farms, you know, we've got a 1500 2699 02:48:27,520 --> 02:48:31,040 acre cap and so cuz we questioned this 2700 02:48:31,040 --> 02:48:33,520 fairly recently about the non-zoned 2701 02:48:33,520 --> 02:48:36,800 areas and if their acreage counted 2702 02:48:36,800 --> 02:48:39,680 against the overall county cap of 1500 2703 02:48:39,680 --> 02:48:43,279 acres and I believe if I'm correct that 2704 02:48:43,279 --> 02:48:46,640 it the non-zoned areas are included 2705 02:48:46,640 --> 02:48:49,120 um and added into that number. Am I 2706 02:48:49,120 --> 02:48:49,920 correct in that? 2707 02:48:49,920 --> 02:48:51,120 >> And that's correct and again that's 2708 02:48:51,120 --> 02:48:53,120 because of 2232 review. Right. Okay. 2709 02:48:53,120 --> 02:48:54,479 >> For example, you could have your comp 2710 02:48:54,479 --> 02:48:56,800 plan an acreage limits for anything you 2711 02:48:56,800 --> 02:48:59,680 want, right? But without you having to 2712 02:48:59,680 --> 02:49:00,960 approve it, you could have an acreage 2713 02:49:00,960 --> 02:49:03,920 cap for industrial uh stock farms, 2714 02:49:03,920 --> 02:49:06,560 right? But poultry farms, but industrial 2715 02:49:06,560 --> 02:49:08,800 poultry farms never come to you in in a 2716 02:49:08,800 --> 02:49:11,600 non-zone area for approval. So it it you 2717 02:49:11,600 --> 02:49:14,479 just have no enforcing mechanism. Can 2718 02:49:14,479 --> 02:49:18,640 that excuse me, can that cap be reduced 2719 02:49:18,640 --> 02:49:21,600 and changed 2720 02:49:21,600 --> 02:49:24,800 >> for solar farms? Sure. Um, now the only 2721 02:49:24,800 --> 02:49:26,319 problem you'd run into if you've already 2722 02:49:26,319 --> 02:49:29,279 approved above that cap, you you 2723 02:49:29,279 --> 02:49:31,120 probably can't take away an already 2724 02:49:31,120 --> 02:49:32,560 approved 2725 02:49:32,560 --> 02:49:36,000 >> um I assume for so let's use solar farms 2726 02:49:36,000 --> 02:49:37,840 example. If you lower the cap and you 2727 02:49:37,840 --> 02:49:39,920 already approved a solar farm and the 2728 02:49:39,920 --> 02:49:41,359 acreage cap exceeds that, you're going 2729 02:49:41,359 --> 02:49:43,200 to come into a vested right issue. But 2730 02:49:43,200 --> 02:49:45,279 yeah, you you can change the cap. 2731 02:49:45,279 --> 02:49:46,319 >> I'm outside of that. 2732 02:49:46,319 --> 02:49:48,640 >> I'm going to take it just a step deeper. 2733 02:49:48,640 --> 02:49:52,319 >> If you went in the comp plan and decided 2734 02:49:52,319 --> 02:49:54,240 >> you want to take it down to nothing. Say 2735 02:49:54,240 --> 02:49:56,640 we want to drop it to the the amount of 2736 02:49:56,640 --> 02:49:58,240 acres we have right now. 2737 02:49:58,240 --> 02:49:58,720 >> Mhm. 2738 02:49:58,720 --> 02:50:00,399 >> That we've already approved. I think the 2739 02:50:00,399 --> 02:50:02,319 county is so the other night that makes 2740 02:50:02,319 --> 02:50:02,800 three. 2741 02:50:02,800 --> 02:50:03,359 >> Mhm. 2742 02:50:03,359 --> 02:50:05,200 >> If we want to drop it to where those are 2743 02:50:05,200 --> 02:50:08,720 now, how would that play out? For 2744 02:50:08,720 --> 02:50:10,399 example, let's say there was one that 2745 02:50:10,399 --> 02:50:13,840 already came forward, got denied, and 2746 02:50:13,840 --> 02:50:16,000 wanted to come back and try again like 2747 02:50:16,000 --> 02:50:18,640 the last one did, 2748 02:50:18,640 --> 02:50:20,399 but you dropped the total acreage in 2749 02:50:20,399 --> 02:50:23,279 your comp plan. How would that play out 2750 02:50:23,279 --> 02:50:24,880 in court? 2751 02:50:24,880 --> 02:50:27,840 >> Oh, [snorts] in court, I can't guarantee 2752 02:50:27,840 --> 02:50:31,520 that, right? I mean, I I suppose they challenge the constitutionality and 2753 02:50:31,520 --> 02:50:33,040 whatever arguments they come up with as 2754 02:50:33,040 --> 02:50:35,920 to the cap, but um it would certainly be 2755 02:50:35,920 --> 02:50:38,960 defensible on the 2232 review for denial 2756 02:50:38,960 --> 02:50:40,720 because it be in your comp plan. 2757 02:50:40,720 --> 02:50:43,760 >> Um you know what how that plays out in 2758 02:50:43,760 --> 02:50:45,520 court, I can't guarantee you, but 2759 02:50:45,520 --> 02:50:47,920 certainly you have an enforcement 2760 02:50:47,920 --> 02:50:50,080 mechanism that's defensible. It's your 2761 02:50:50,080 --> 02:50:52,560 22, it's in your comp plan. Comp plan is 2762 02:50:52,560 --> 02:50:54,479 what you look at for your 2232 review. 2763 02:50:54,479 --> 02:50:57,040 It's it dictates 2232 review. It's not a 2764 02:50:57,040 --> 02:50:59,520 guide like in best use permits. It's the 2765 02:50:59,520 --> 02:51:02,720 end all be all, right? Um, so that would 2766 02:51:02,720 --> 02:51:05,359 give you grounds for denial of another 2767 02:51:05,359 --> 02:51:08,720 solar farm if you already hit your cap. 2768 02:51:08,720 --> 02:51:09,040 >> Okay. 2769 02:51:09,040 --> 02:51:10,319 >> So, does that answer the question about 2770 02:51:10,319 --> 02:51:12,640 the non-zoned areas? 2771 02:51:12,640 --> 02:51:15,439 >> And Mr. We will continue looking at what 2772 02:51:15,439 --> 02:51:16,960 pension enforcement mechanism there are. 2773 02:51:16,960 --> 02:51:19,359 There just is no easy. 2774 02:51:19,359 --> 02:51:20,640 >> Yeah, I think we have to be careful of 2775 02:51:20,640 --> 02:51:23,040 confusing the solar and the data 2776 02:51:23,040 --> 02:51:25,359 centers. They're not treated the same by 2777 02:51:25,359 --> 02:51:26,960 the state legislation. 2778 02:51:26,960 --> 02:51:28,319 >> That's right. State legislation 2779 02:51:28,319 --> 02:51:31,200 specifically considers solar a utility. 2780 02:51:31,200 --> 02:51:31,600 >> Yeah. 2781 02:51:31,600 --> 02:51:33,359 >> Which is why they're why they're 2782 02:51:33,359 --> 02:51:35,760 reviewed under 2232. They do not have 2783 02:51:35,760 --> 02:51:38,479 the same language for data centers, 2784 02:51:38,479 --> 02:51:39,680 >> right, at this time 2785 02:51:39,680 --> 02:51:40,560 >> at correct. 2786 02:51:40,560 --> 02:51:41,680 >> Subject to change. 2787 02:51:41,680 --> 02:51:42,319 >> Yeah. 2788 02:51:42,319 --> 02:51:45,040 >> So, we need to lobby Richmond. 2789 02:51:45,040 --> 02:51:46,000 >> Yes. 2790 02:51:46,000 --> 02:51:46,479 >> Okay. 2791 02:51:46,479 --> 02:51:49,359 >> Yes, sir. And far as the data centers, 2792 02:51:49,359 --> 02:51:52,960 we in the unzone, we have we cannot put 2793 02:51:52,960 --> 02:51:56,560 restrictions on it as far as noise, 2794 02:51:56,560 --> 02:51:58,560 power, water, anything like that. Even 2795 02:51:58,560 --> 02:52:00,240 in the nonzone areas, we cannot 2796 02:52:00,240 --> 02:52:01,680 >> you cannot put any restrictions that 2797 02:52:01,680 --> 02:52:04,479 don't apply to everything, right? You 2798 02:52:04,479 --> 02:52:06,240 can have your noise ordinance can be 2799 02:52:06,240 --> 02:52:09,680 nonzone areas, but it'll have to be a 2800 02:52:09,680 --> 02:52:11,760 countywide noise ordinance, right? You 2801 02:52:11,760 --> 02:52:14,479 can't specify for this use 2802 02:52:14,479 --> 02:52:17,439 >> we have a noise ordinance of X. 2803 02:52:17,439 --> 02:52:18,960 >> But 2804 02:52:18,960 --> 02:52:20,960 if I can just interrupt briefly, Mr. 2805 02:52:20,960 --> 02:52:24,640 Jameson, but to his point, the noise 2806 02:52:24,640 --> 02:52:27,279 piece like if if the planning commission 2807 02:52:27,279 --> 02:52:30,240 is going to um articulate with more 2808 02:52:30,240 --> 02:52:32,880 specificity, then we have a noise 2809 02:52:32,880 --> 02:52:34,479 ordinance. 2810 02:52:34,479 --> 02:52:38,720 Um, so is it implied that the countywide 2811 02:52:38,720 --> 02:52:42,160 noise ordinance is implied in a data 2812 02:52:42,160 --> 02:52:44,960 center in a non-zoned area or does it 2813 02:52:44,960 --> 02:52:49,269 have to be spelled out as such? 2814 02:52:49,279 --> 02:52:51,120 » I think I can speak to that because it's 2815 02:52:51,120 --> 02:52:52,720 really our current noise ordinance is 2816 02:52:52,720 --> 02:52:54,399 really for amplified sound. 2817 02:52:54,399 --> 02:52:55,760 >> Oh, that's noise. So 2818 02:52:55,760 --> 02:52:56,479 >> that's all right. 2819 02:52:56,479 --> 02:52:58,399 >> It really doesn't apply to the zoned 2820 02:52:58,399 --> 02:53:00,720 area to be honest unless it's, you know, 2821 02:53:00,720 --> 02:53:02,720 concert amplified sound, something like 2822 02:53:02,720 --> 02:53:05,200 that. 2823 02:53:05,200 --> 02:53:09,120 power consumption, water. I mean, 2824 02:53:09,120 --> 02:53:11,040 there's no way to we can attach that to 2825 02:53:11,040 --> 02:53:13,680 nonzone. 2826 02:53:13,680 --> 02:53:14,880 >> Not that I'm aware of, 2827 02:53:14,880 --> 02:53:16,800 >> you know, throughout the county. 2828 02:53:16,800 --> 02:53:18,720 >> I think as long as you're conforming 2829 02:53:18,720 --> 02:53:21,760 with the TW uh with 2232 2830 02:53:21,760 --> 02:53:23,359 and you're conforming with the comp 2831 02:53:23,359 --> 02:53:25,040 plan, you're done. 2832 02:53:25,040 --> 02:53:25,680 >> Is that right? 2833 02:53:25,680 --> 02:53:27,120 >> And that's why I was saying you have to 2834 02:53:27,120 --> 02:53:29,600 be careful that mixing the two together. 2835 02:53:29,600 --> 02:53:32,560 The data centers are not subject to 2232 2836 02:53:32,560 --> 02:53:35,200 review. solar is. So that's where 2837 02:53:35,200 --> 02:53:37,279 they're not treated the same when it 2838 02:53:37,279 --> 02:53:38,880 comes to the comprehensive plan. But 2839 02:53:38,880 --> 02:53:41,279 >> could we put together a countywide 2840 02:53:41,279 --> 02:53:46,399 ordinance that limits uh industrial use, 2841 02:53:46,399 --> 02:53:48,880 say puts a limit on water, daily water 2842 02:53:48,880 --> 02:53:52,720 usage and daily power usage 2843 02:53:52,720 --> 02:53:54,000 >> in the zoned areas 2844 02:53:54,000 --> 02:53:56,160 >> in the countywide. I mean it would have 2845 02:53:56,160 --> 02:53:59,359 to be countywide to include the unzoned 2846 02:53:59,359 --> 02:54:00,640 areas. 2847 02:54:00,640 --> 02:54:01,920 >> They going to come county water. my 2848 02:54:01,920 --> 02:54:03,920 cattle are drinking. 2849 02:54:03,920 --> 02:54:08,710 >> You'll have to do that. 2850 02:54:08,720 --> 02:54:10,399 » I mean, that's just I'm throwing out a 2851 02:54:10,399 --> 02:54:13,120 hypothetical. Is that a a possibility? 2852 02:54:13,120 --> 02:54:14,960 >> I will look into it. My initial reaction 2853 02:54:14,960 --> 02:54:16,880 is is is doubtful. 2854 02:54:16,880 --> 02:54:17,520 >> Okay. 2855 02:54:17,520 --> 02:54:18,960 >> Because you're you're going to you're 2856 02:54:18,960 --> 02:54:20,319 trying to tie it to a use, right? You're 2857 02:54:20,319 --> 02:54:22,160 for industrial use. Well, the moment 2858 02:54:22,160 --> 02:54:23,359 you're tying it to land use, you're 2859 02:54:23,359 --> 02:54:25,279 under into trouble in non-zoned areas 2860 02:54:25,279 --> 02:54:26,880 because you're you're regulating land 2861 02:54:26,880 --> 02:54:29,120 use. Um but like I said, we will look 2862 02:54:29,120 --> 02:54:31,200 into all potential avenues given the 2863 02:54:31,200 --> 02:54:33,520 board's um feedback on that. 2864 02:54:33,520 --> 02:54:34,479 >> All right. Thank you. 2865 02:54:34,479 --> 02:54:36,720 >> So, Mr. Jameson, um have you had your 2866 02:54:36,720 --> 02:54:38,640 questions answered, sir? 2867 02:54:38,640 --> 02:54:40,640 >> Mr. Carter, 2868 02:54:40,640 --> 02:54:43,120 >> I would like for them to work on the 2869 02:54:43,120 --> 02:54:47,359 data first, the data centers. And for me 2870 02:54:47,359 --> 02:54:49,439 personally, and I don't know if we can 2871 02:54:49,439 --> 02:54:51,600 do it, I would like to ban them 2872 02:54:51,600 --> 02:54:53,359 everywhere in the county except where 2873 02:54:53,359 --> 02:54:57,760 they're allowed by right at this point. 2874 02:54:57,760 --> 02:55:01,520 That pretty much is what we have, 2875 02:55:01,520 --> 02:55:02,560 >> right? 2876 02:55:02,560 --> 02:55:02,960 >> Well, 2877 02:55:02,960 --> 02:55:05,200 >> they're only they're only allowed in the 2878 02:55:05,200 --> 02:55:06,240 industrial, right? 2879 02:55:06,240 --> 02:55:07,760 >> In the zoned area, but they're allowed 2880 02:55:07,760 --> 02:55:09,520 anywhere in the non-zoned area. Correct. 2881 02:55:09,520 --> 02:55:10,960 >> So, 2882 02:55:10,960 --> 02:55:13,040 >> I think your suggestion was banned 2883 02:55:13,040 --> 02:55:15,200 countywide except for the 2884 02:55:15,200 --> 02:55:17,840 >> Yeah. And I'm not sure not sure we have 2885 02:55:17,840 --> 02:55:19,840 the ability to do that, 2886 02:55:19,840 --> 02:55:22,080 >> Mr. Dick. 2887 02:55:22,080 --> 02:55:25,279 >> Well, until it was challenged. 2888 02:55:25,279 --> 02:55:27,520 Well, so let me rephrase. My legal 2889 02:55:27,520 --> 02:55:30,560 advice is probably not. Obviously, I 2890 02:55:30,560 --> 02:55:32,080 just adise you you could adopt that 2891 02:55:32,080 --> 02:55:34,160 ordinance and wait for it to be 2892 02:55:34,160 --> 02:55:37,040 challenged. 2893 02:55:37,040 --> 02:55:39,040 >> Okay. Mr. Mitchell, did you have 2894 02:55:39,040 --> 02:55:41,920 anything further? Uh any if you want to 2895 02:55:41,920 --> 02:55:43,520 pull the data center orders? 2896 02:55:43,520 --> 02:55:44,720 >> I think the planning commission should 2897 02:55:44,720 --> 02:55:45,920 make that decision itself. 2898 02:55:45,920 --> 02:55:46,640 >> Okay. 2899 02:55:46,640 --> 02:55:48,880 >> I think that um if that's something that 2900 02:55:48,880 --> 02:55:50,000 they feel if that's something they're 2901 02:55:50,000 --> 02:55:51,200 getting feedback on that they need to 2902 02:55:51,200 --> 02:55:53,920 do, that's fine. 2903 02:55:53,920 --> 02:55:56,399 There's nothing we can do unless the 2904 02:55:56,399 --> 02:55:58,560 unzoned areas want to become zoned. 2905 02:55:58,560 --> 02:56:00,399 There's nothing we can do about that 2906 02:56:00,399 --> 02:56:01,600 >> in the unzone. 2907 02:56:01,600 --> 02:56:04,479 >> There's nothing we can do about that. Um 2908 02:56:04,479 --> 02:56:08,000 you can't have you can't you can't have 2909 02:56:08,000 --> 02:56:09,760 your property not zoned but want your 2910 02:56:09,760 --> 02:56:11,680 neighbor zoned. That's just the way it 2911 02:56:11,680 --> 02:56:14,640 is. Um and as far as the zoned areas, 2912 02:56:14,640 --> 02:56:16,000 there's only one spot in the entire 2913 02:56:16,000 --> 02:56:17,520 county that is by right. 2914 02:56:17,520 --> 02:56:18,080 >> That's right. 2915 02:56:18,080 --> 02:56:20,560 >> For it. So, if the if the planning 2916 02:56:20,560 --> 02:56:22,240 commission wishes to pull this and work 2917 02:56:22,240 --> 02:56:24,560 on it separately first, I'm fine with 2918 02:56:24,560 --> 02:56:28,399 that. However, I'm I'm not interested in 2919 02:56:28,399 --> 02:56:30,160 dabbling in any of the rest of it. 2920 02:56:30,160 --> 02:56:34,399 >> Understand, Mr. Quinn. 2921 02:56:34,399 --> 02:56:37,359 >> I I would pretend to let them proceed as 2922 02:56:37,359 --> 02:56:38,800 they've laid out the schedule and not 2923 02:56:38,800 --> 02:56:41,840 pull the data center forward. um myself 2924 02:56:41,840 --> 02:56:43,920 I I do think it's worthwhile to have 2925 02:56:43,920 --> 02:56:45,600 some kind of legal analysis of the 2926 02:56:45,600 --> 02:56:48,160 regional business park designation or 2927 02:56:48,160 --> 02:56:51,120 category for uh summit just because 2928 02:56:51,120 --> 02:56:52,880 there have been so many questions about 2929 02:56:52,880 --> 02:56:55,279 okay what happened back in 2016 and was 2930 02:56:55,279 --> 02:56:57,760 it done properly and is it is it still 2931 02:56:57,760 --> 02:57:00,240 valid and and I believe it is based on 2932 02:57:00,240 --> 02:57:02,720 everything I've looked over however it's 2933 02:57:02,720 --> 02:57:04,479 such a contentious area in such a 2934 02:57:04,479 --> 02:57:06,640 contentious category that it feels like 2935 02:57:06,640 --> 02:57:08,720 it would be worth getting some legal 2936 02:57:08,720 --> 02:57:10,319 input on that one area of legal 2937 02:57:10,319 --> 02:57:13,510 analysis. 2938 02:57:13,520 --> 02:57:15,840 » So 2939 02:57:15,840 --> 02:57:18,080 I've got 2940 02:57:18,080 --> 02:57:20,080 you were for to pull the data center 2941 02:57:20,080 --> 02:57:23,200 out. So three to pull. You were not to 2942 02:57:23,200 --> 02:57:23,920 pull. 2943 02:57:23,920 --> 02:57:25,279 >> Doesn't matter to me. Planning 2944 02:57:25,279 --> 02:57:26,479 commission make that decision. 2945 02:57:26,479 --> 02:57:28,880 >> Okay. And and Dan, you are not to pull. 2946 02:57:28,880 --> 02:57:29,680 >> Yeah. Not to pull. 2947 02:57:29,680 --> 02:57:34,720 >> Not to pull. Okay. Alrighty then. Um 2948 02:57:34,720 --> 02:57:36,973 Nick, come on now. 2949 02:57:36,973 --> 02:57:37,840 >> [laughter] 2950 02:57:37,840 --> 02:57:38,800 >> Um, 2951 02:57:38,800 --> 02:57:40,640 >> I say they stick to their schedule. 2952 02:57:40,640 --> 02:57:42,080 >> You know, when I talked to my planning 2953 02:57:42,080 --> 02:57:44,880 commissioner, uh, Ron Jefferson, uh, and 2954 02:57:44,880 --> 02:57:49,600 we briefly discussed this topic. Um, 2955 02:57:49,600 --> 02:57:52,640 my first, uh, response to him was, "We 2956 02:57:52,640 --> 02:57:55,120 have a planning commission. We need to 2957 02:57:55,120 --> 02:57:56,960 empower the planning commission to do 2958 02:57:56,960 --> 02:57:58,960 its job." 2959 02:57:58,960 --> 02:58:02,240 And if the planning commission feels 2960 02:58:02,240 --> 02:58:05,439 that you need to pull certain ordinances 2961 02:58:05,439 --> 02:58:08,800 to work on in your schedule, um pull 2962 02:58:08,800 --> 02:58:12,560 them out. My initial comment was that's 2963 02:58:12,560 --> 02:58:15,120 under your purview um as a planning 2964 02:58:15,120 --> 02:58:17,600 commission and you're appointed by us. 2965 02:58:17,600 --> 02:58:19,760 Um and I know you all were looking for 2966 02:58:19,760 --> 02:58:22,080 some feedback from the board to make 2967 02:58:22,080 --> 02:58:24,399 sure that we can stay as closely aligned 2968 02:58:24,399 --> 02:58:27,840 as possible. Um and we appreciate that. 2969 02:58:27,840 --> 02:58:32,080 um very much. Um I am okay either way. 2970 02:58:32,080 --> 02:58:33,680 I'm I'm kind of like Nick. I want you 2971 02:58:33,680 --> 02:58:35,840 all empowered to do what you've been 2972 02:58:35,840 --> 02:58:38,399 placed there to do. Um the data center 2973 02:58:38,399 --> 02:58:41,600 issue certainly is something. Um the 2974 02:58:41,600 --> 02:58:44,240 what I worry about um if I worry about 2975 02:58:44,240 --> 02:58:46,399 anything relative to the ordinance 2976 02:58:46,399 --> 02:58:49,520 number one um I think that and I told 2977 02:58:49,520 --> 02:58:52,000 Ron this the ordinance I really 2978 02:58:52,000 --> 02:58:54,880 encourage you guys um to really do some 2979 02:58:54,880 --> 02:58:56,960 due diligence and talking to surrounding 2980 02:58:56,960 --> 02:58:59,200 localities and looking at some of their 2981 02:58:59,200 --> 02:59:01,600 ordinances because as I work around the 2982 02:59:01,600 --> 02:59:03,840 state there's some differences in 2983 02:59:03,840 --> 02:59:06,399 locality ordinances and just to kind of 2984 02:59:06,399 --> 02:59:09,359 get a feel for are there standards or 2985 02:59:09,359 --> 02:59:11,279 are there not and we've got to make it 2986 02:59:11,279 --> 02:59:13,439 fit Franklin County, of course, first 2987 02:59:13,439 --> 02:59:17,120 and foremost. So, I encourage that. Um, 2988 02:59:17,120 --> 02:59:19,279 of course, our citizens feedback is 2989 02:59:19,279 --> 02:59:22,319 critical. Um, but, you know, I really 2990 02:59:22,319 --> 02:59:24,080 want you all empowered to do what we put 2991 02:59:24,080 --> 02:59:28,000 you there to do. Um, I can go either way 2992 02:59:28,000 --> 02:59:29,840 with it. If if the planning commission 2993 02:59:29,840 --> 02:59:32,800 feels that you've got enough um you know 2994 02:59:32,800 --> 02:59:34,640 if there's a a sense of urgency within 2995 02:59:34,640 --> 02:59:37,359 the commission to pull it um I don't 2996 02:59:37,359 --> 02:59:39,120 think anybody on this board I think 2997 02:59:39,120 --> 02:59:41,520 you've got the support to pull it. Um I 2998 02:59:41,520 --> 02:59:43,760 don't hear anybody I mean Mr. Quinn I 2999 02:59:43,760 --> 02:59:49,190 think um you don't want it pulled. 3000 02:59:49,200 --> 02:59:51,359 » Okay then I think we're very close on 3001 02:59:51,359 --> 02:59:53,760 this. So is that helpful to you Victor? 3002 02:59:53,760 --> 02:59:54,560 I think we're 3003 02:59:54,560 --> 02:59:56,080 >> Let me tell you what I think I heard. 3004 02:59:56,080 --> 03:00:01,840 >> Okay. So um and first of all we did this 3005 03:00:01,840 --> 03:00:04,560 in when the data center really just blew 3006 03:00:04,560 --> 03:00:08,240 up. We were seeking to understand 3007 03:00:08,240 --> 03:00:10,800 political will as to desire you're the 3008 03:00:10,800 --> 03:00:12,720 leadership. 3009 03:00:12,720 --> 03:00:14,560 We were comfortable with this schedule. 3010 03:00:14,560 --> 03:00:15,840 We just didn't know whether you were 3011 03:00:15,840 --> 03:00:17,840 comfortable with waiting that long. 3012 03:00:17,840 --> 03:00:19,680 >> No. [laughter] 3013 03:00:19,680 --> 03:00:20,640 But we understand 3014 03:00:20,640 --> 03:00:22,960 >> and I'm not speaking now totally on 3015 03:00:22,960 --> 03:00:24,800 behalf of the of the planning commission 3016 03:00:24,800 --> 03:00:26,080 because I'm going to take this back to 3017 03:00:26,080 --> 03:00:28,880 the planning commission to say okay 3018 03:00:28,880 --> 03:00:32,080 um you have a lot of trust in us and if 3019 03:00:32,080 --> 03:00:34,399 we can adjust this schedule move up the 3020 03:00:34,399 --> 03:00:36,720 data center thing soonest you'd 3021 03:00:36,720 --> 03:00:39,120 appreciate it and that would be welcomed 3022 03:00:39,120 --> 03:00:41,439 and we would get the support to adjust 3023 03:00:41,439 --> 03:00:42,800 the schedule accordingly 3024 03:00:42,800 --> 03:00:45,200 >> and I think what you've heard is we 3025 03:00:45,200 --> 03:00:46,640 believe it's under your purview to make 3026 03:00:46,640 --> 03:00:48,880 that decision and this board will 3027 03:00:48,880 --> 03:00:50,479 support the planning commission's 3028 03:00:50,479 --> 03:00:51,680 decision. 3029 03:00:51,680 --> 03:00:54,240 >> All right. So, um we'll work with staff. 3030 03:00:54,240 --> 03:00:56,960 Also, I've got to tell you, I hope we 3031 03:00:56,960 --> 03:00:59,359 can have a panel discussion for the 3032 03:00:59,359 --> 03:01:00,880 community 3033 03:01:00,880 --> 03:01:03,680 um and seek the subject matter experts 3034 03:01:03,680 --> 03:01:07,680 that can be uh received as unbiased 3035 03:01:07,680 --> 03:01:09,760 so that we are t making decisions about 3036 03:01:09,760 --> 03:01:12,080 what's appropriate. And we will have to 3037 03:01:12,080 --> 03:01:14,000 take a look around uh in other 3038 03:01:14,000 --> 03:01:16,000 localities to find out how they have 3039 03:01:16,000 --> 03:01:17,920 figured out proper conditions and 3040 03:01:17,920 --> 03:01:20,479 standards that are or are not working. 3041 03:01:20,479 --> 03:01:20,880 So 3042 03:01:20,880 --> 03:01:23,760 >> yeah and and Victor just you know um as 3043 03:01:23,760 --> 03:01:27,680 aside um since data centers you know in 3044 03:01:27,680 --> 03:01:30,240 southwest Virginia are now very 3045 03:01:30,240 --> 03:01:33,359 prevalent topic for the localities here. 3046 03:01:33,359 --> 03:01:35,920 Um there's so much rhetoric out there 3047 03:01:35,920 --> 03:01:39,120 and and non-factual information. I 3048 03:01:39,120 --> 03:01:41,920 personally think some of it perhaps 3049 03:01:41,920 --> 03:01:45,760 originated maybe back 10 or 15 years ago 3050 03:01:45,760 --> 03:01:47,920 and as Northern Virginia has increased 3051 03:01:47,920 --> 03:01:50,720 its data center density basically and I 3052 03:01:50,720 --> 03:01:52,720 use loosely a data center on every 3053 03:01:52,720 --> 03:01:54,240 corner and then residential 3054 03:01:54,240 --> 03:01:55,760 neighborhoods have just been built 3055 03:01:55,760 --> 03:01:57,840 around some of these data centers. you 3056 03:01:57,840 --> 03:01:59,520 know, if you've got a conglomeration of 3057 03:01:59,520 --> 03:02:02,720 data centers and my logic tells me that 3058 03:02:02,720 --> 03:02:05,040 if there's any uh adverse consequences, 3059 03:02:05,040 --> 03:02:06,960 they get magnified 3060 03:02:06,960 --> 03:02:09,279 simply by virtue of density. 3061 03:02:09,279 --> 03:02:12,160 >> Um, and I also know from, you know, some 3062 03:02:12,160 --> 03:02:13,920 research that I'm doing and working 3063 03:02:13,920 --> 03:02:17,680 across the state, you know, there are 3064 03:02:17,680 --> 03:02:19,920 things are not the same way today in 3065 03:02:19,920 --> 03:02:23,040 terms of how data centers function, 3066 03:02:23,040 --> 03:02:25,920 their efficiency or lack thereof, etc. 3067 03:02:25,920 --> 03:02:29,760 what are the the consequences, pros and 3068 03:02:29,760 --> 03:02:32,880 cons? And when I talk to Ron, I I 3069 03:02:32,880 --> 03:02:35,040 express that because I think what for me 3070 03:02:35,040 --> 03:02:36,560 and my colleagues can speak for 3071 03:02:36,560 --> 03:02:39,040 themselves, I think we really need to to 3072 03:02:39,040 --> 03:02:40,720 structure our ordinance around what we 3073 03:02:40,720 --> 03:02:43,120 know today. Um, and I think we've got 3074 03:02:43,120 --> 03:02:44,640 to, you know, really take the rhetoric 3075 03:02:44,640 --> 03:02:46,240 out of the picture and we've got to look 3076 03:02:46,240 --> 03:02:49,920 objectively at at what it is. And then 3077 03:02:49,920 --> 03:02:52,160 you'll be able and through your research 3078 03:02:52,160 --> 03:02:54,479 of doing that, you'll be able to craft 3079 03:02:54,479 --> 03:02:56,160 um and adjust that ordinance, I think, 3080 03:02:56,160 --> 03:02:58,319 accordingly. Mr. Carter. 3081 03:02:58,319 --> 03:03:01,680 >> Yes. Uh Steve, could you maybe contact 3082 03:03:01,680 --> 03:03:03,760 Jim Hutsler, the board I serve on at 3083 03:03:03,760 --> 03:03:06,880 Veco, Energy and Agriculture, and get 3084 03:03:06,880 --> 03:03:08,960 some of those PowerPoint presentations 3085 03:03:08,960 --> 03:03:11,200 they've had on data centers, and and get 3086 03:03:11,200 --> 03:03:13,520 it to Victor and the planning 3087 03:03:13,520 --> 03:03:14,640 commission. That's a great idea. 3088 03:03:14,640 --> 03:03:16,000 Certainly. and I've already been in 3089 03:03:16,000 --> 03:03:18,479 conversation with with them and we have 3090 03:03:18,479 --> 03:03:20,479 some information compiled and I think we 3091 03:03:20,479 --> 03:03:22,399 can help with setting up that panel 3092 03:03:22,399 --> 03:03:24,640 you're talking about. 3093 03:03:24,640 --> 03:03:25,120 >> Yeah, 3094 03:03:25,120 --> 03:03:26,640 >> that concludes my comments. 3095 03:03:26,640 --> 03:03:28,479 >> Is this giving you the guidance that you 3096 03:03:28,479 --> 03:03:29,760 need, Mr. Evans? 3097 03:03:29,760 --> 03:03:30,479 >> Thank you. 3098 03:03:30,479 --> 03:03:32,319 >> Well, we appreciate and please convey 3099 03:03:32,319 --> 03:03:34,399 our gratitude um to the planning 3100 03:03:34,399 --> 03:03:36,640 commission. um we know you're going to 3101 03:03:36,640 --> 03:03:39,760 be working really hard and um you all 3102 03:03:39,760 --> 03:03:42,319 are volunteers and you step up and you 3103 03:03:42,319 --> 03:03:44,640 give of your of your time and that does 3104 03:03:44,640 --> 03:03:46,640 not go unnoticed and we are very 3105 03:03:46,640 --> 03:03:47,680 grateful for that. 3106 03:03:47,680 --> 03:03:49,279 >> Appreciate it. Thank you for for your 3107 03:03:49,279 --> 03:03:49,840 support 3108 03:03:49,840 --> 03:03:52,880 >> of course. Okay, our last item on our 3109 03:03:52,880 --> 03:03:56,080 agenda um is to discuss the Boone Mill 3110 03:03:56,080 --> 03:03:59,040 vacancy that we have. Um I have given 3111 03:03:59,040 --> 03:04:03,040 each of you um just uh a version of 3112 03:04:03,040 --> 03:04:05,520 guidance and it's a draft. Uh what you 3113 03:04:05,520 --> 03:04:09,840 have in front of you um Mr. Gwyn and his 3114 03:04:09,840 --> 03:04:13,439 associates um they drafted the second 3115 03:04:13,439 --> 03:04:16,720 document which is in um chart form. They 3116 03:04:16,720 --> 03:04:20,080 have drafted these timelines based upon 3117 03:04:20,080 --> 03:04:24,160 um deadlines. The the piece that I have 3118 03:04:24,160 --> 03:04:27,600 given you is more specific. Um what I 3119 03:04:27,600 --> 03:04:30,160 will say what I will do is just briefly 3120 03:04:30,160 --> 03:04:31,840 run down this and what we're going to 3121 03:04:31,840 --> 03:04:35,040 the outcome of today um we need to set 3122 03:04:35,040 --> 03:04:38,240 some dates given what's on this and um 3123 03:04:38,240 --> 03:04:40,160 so just let me just run down for public 3124 03:04:40,160 --> 03:04:43,520 record um that we've got one month under 3125 03:04:43,520 --> 03:04:46,800 statute um to fill this vacancy. 3126 03:04:46,800 --> 03:04:49,840 >> I I apologize Madam Chairman. It's 45 3127 03:04:49,840 --> 03:04:50,319 days. 3128 03:04:50,319 --> 03:04:51,200 >> It's 45. 3129 03:04:51,200 --> 03:04:51,760 >> Yeah. 3130 03:04:51,760 --> 03:04:53,200 >> Nobody has said that to me. 3131 03:04:53,200 --> 03:04:55,920 >> It's actually 45 to your point. Yes. I 3132 03:04:55,920 --> 03:04:59,920 apologize. I believe Mr. Gwyn's chart is 3133 03:04:59,920 --> 03:05:01,840 assuming you wanted to appoint someone 3134 03:05:01,840 --> 03:05:04,399 by your next meeting. You technically do 3135 03:05:04,399 --> 03:05:07,520 have more time. 3136 03:05:07,520 --> 03:05:08,720 >> Okay. 3137 03:05:08,720 --> 03:05:09,439 >> But 3138 03:05:09,439 --> 03:05:09,760 >> okay, 3139 03:05:09,760 --> 03:05:11,840 >> that that was the assumption was that 3140 03:05:11,840 --> 03:05:13,279 you want to appoint someone by next 3141 03:05:13,279 --> 03:05:15,920 meeting, but you have not much more, a 3142 03:05:15,920 --> 03:05:16,800 little bit more time. 3143 03:05:16,800 --> 03:05:21,279 >> Thank you. Thank you. Okay. 45 days um 3144 03:05:21,279 --> 03:05:24,720 to make the appointment and the timeline 3145 03:05:24,720 --> 03:05:27,600 um began yesterday, Wednesday, August 3146 03:05:27,600 --> 03:05:32,720 19th. Um and so the uh statutory time 3147 03:05:32,720 --> 03:05:34,880 that Mr. Gwyn has given us is September 3148 03:05:34,880 --> 03:05:38,960 14th uh for uh the appointment to be 3149 03:05:38,960 --> 03:05:40,960 made. Are you in concurrence with this 3150 03:05:40,960 --> 03:05:46,389 chart, Mr. Dadak? 3151 03:05:46,399 --> 03:05:47,040 » So that's 3152 03:05:47,040 --> 03:05:49,040 >> that's my question. This throws all this 3153 03:05:49,040 --> 03:05:51,359 out of out in 3154 03:05:51,359 --> 03:05:54,000 >> you have 45 days to appoint someone 3155 03:05:54,000 --> 03:05:56,080 under a statute. 3156 03:05:56,080 --> 03:05:59,200 The assumption was I I I apologize it 3157 03:05:59,200 --> 03:06:01,120 wasn't part of conversation but this 3158 03:06:01,120 --> 03:06:03,439 chart is as he described an aggressive 3159 03:06:03,439 --> 03:06:05,600 timeline to appoint someone by your next 3160 03:06:05,600 --> 03:06:06,800 meeting. 3161 03:06:06,800 --> 03:06:08,720 >> Under a statute you have 45 days to 3162 03:06:08,720 --> 03:06:09,840 appoint someone. 3163 03:06:09,840 --> 03:06:11,279 >> But I still think Lori what we should do 3164 03:06:11,279 --> 03:06:13,040 is try to stick to this timeline and 3165 03:06:13,040 --> 03:06:14,240 hope it works out. 3166 03:06:14,240 --> 03:06:14,720 >> I agree. 3167 03:06:14,720 --> 03:06:16,240 >> And just not worry about the 15 days 3168 03:06:16,240 --> 03:06:17,760 unless we have to. I agree. 3169 03:06:17,760 --> 03:06:18,319 >> 15 days. 3170 03:06:18,319 --> 03:06:20,000 >> Yeah, if we got to add 15 days later, 3171 03:06:20,000 --> 03:06:21,200 that's fine, but for the time being, 3172 03:06:21,200 --> 03:06:21,680 let's 3173 03:06:21,680 --> 03:06:22,960 >> I think this is doable. That's what 3174 03:06:22,960 --> 03:06:24,560 we're going to work through today. Mr. 3175 03:06:24,560 --> 03:06:25,920 Datock, thank you for that 3176 03:06:25,920 --> 03:06:30,080 clarification. Um, so, uh, what we are 3177 03:06:30,080 --> 03:06:32,319 going to do is, um, the board of 3178 03:06:32,319 --> 03:06:34,479 supervisors is working with staff to 3179 03:06:34,479 --> 03:06:38,160 post a notice for application submittal. 3180 03:06:38,160 --> 03:06:40,880 Um, and we will do so electronically and 3181 03:06:40,880 --> 03:06:43,760 via print media. Um, and we will have 3182 03:06:43,760 --> 03:06:46,319 that out on or about this Friday, 3183 03:06:46,319 --> 03:06:48,960 tomorrow, August 21st. 3184 03:06:48,960 --> 03:06:51,439 Uh, the notice will announce the vacancy 3185 03:06:51,439 --> 03:06:53,840 and it'll provide application 3186 03:06:53,840 --> 03:06:56,349 instructions. 3187 03:06:56,349 --> 03:06:58,240 [clears throat] Excuse me. U, we are 3188 03:06:58,240 --> 03:07:00,479 going to do our best to make sure that 3189 03:07:00,479 --> 03:07:03,554 um the links are on this announcement, 3190 03:07:03,554 --> 03:07:04,240 [cough] 3191 03:07:04,240 --> 03:07:07,680 excuse me, and places that you can um 3192 03:07:07,680 --> 03:07:10,319 pick up applications and so forth. The 3193 03:07:10,319 --> 03:07:12,880 deadline to apply for the vacancy is 3194 03:07:12,880 --> 03:07:15,680 Wednesday, September 2nd. 3195 03:07:15,680 --> 03:07:17,120 And all of this is going to be in the 3196 03:07:17,120 --> 03:07:19,200 announcement for guidance for potential 3197 03:07:19,200 --> 03:07:21,920 applicants. What we as a board need to 3198 03:07:21,920 --> 03:07:25,040 do today um if you wish to proceed um 3199 03:07:25,040 --> 03:07:27,520 under the the initial assumptions that I 3200 03:07:27,520 --> 03:07:30,800 was working under um the first item and 3201 03:07:30,800 --> 03:07:33,600 let's just work by this um for each 3202 03:07:33,600 --> 03:07:35,200 event and look at our calendars 3203 03:07:35,200 --> 03:07:38,160 concurrently. The first is a special 3204 03:07:38,160 --> 03:07:41,520 called meeting. Um and I am and these 3205 03:07:41,520 --> 03:07:44,160 are just suggestions gentlemen. Um uh 3206 03:07:44,160 --> 03:07:47,040 would be held Thursday, September 3rd. 3207 03:07:47,040 --> 03:07:48,800 Understanding that the deadline is 3208 03:07:48,800 --> 03:07:51,920 September 2nd for submitt. So September 3209 03:07:51,920 --> 03:07:55,520 3rd um we are required to hold a meeting 3210 03:07:55,520 --> 03:07:58,080 and publicly announce the applicants in 3211 03:07:58,080 --> 03:08:01,040 open session and that we would have 3212 03:08:01,040 --> 03:08:04,960 closed meeting u discussion after that. 3213 03:08:04,960 --> 03:08:07,279 So, I'm going to stop there. Is 3214 03:08:07,279 --> 03:08:09,680 everybody okay for September 3rd for a 3215 03:08:09,680 --> 03:08:12,479 special called meeting? 3216 03:08:12,479 --> 03:08:13,600 >> What's your time? 3217 03:08:13,600 --> 03:08:15,439 >> That's That's for you guys to tell me 3218 03:08:15,439 --> 03:08:17,520 what you would prefer, Mr. I've got your 3219 03:08:17,520 --> 03:08:19,920 note, Mr. Quinn. Thank you. Um, what 3220 03:08:19,920 --> 03:08:21,920 time do you all prefer on the third? 3221 03:08:21,920 --> 03:08:24,399 >> I prefer going around 6:00 p.m. 3222 03:08:24,399 --> 03:08:27,439 >> 6 p.m., Mr. Jameson, 3223 03:08:27,439 --> 03:08:28,720 >> I can make it work. 3224 03:08:28,720 --> 03:08:30,319 >> You don't like six o'clock? I don't 3225 03:08:30,319 --> 03:08:31,980 really like it, but that's that's 3226 03:08:31,980 --> 03:08:33,600 [snorts] fine. Earlier would be better 3227 03:08:33,600 --> 03:08:35,840 for me, but like I said, I'll make it 3228 03:08:35,840 --> 03:08:37,760 work. Come up with 3229 03:08:37,760 --> 03:08:38,640 >> Mr. Carter. 3230 03:08:38,640 --> 03:08:40,640 >> I'm flexible. 3231 03:08:40,640 --> 03:08:41,600 Six is fine. 3232 03:08:41,600 --> 03:08:43,120 >> Okay, 3233 03:08:43,120 --> 03:08:44,479 Mr. Mitchell. 3234 03:08:44,479 --> 03:08:46,560 >> Uh earlier would be better for me, but I 3235 03:08:46,560 --> 03:08:48,000 can make six workers. 3236 03:08:48,000 --> 03:08:49,920 >> You want to find a happy medium of five? 3237 03:08:49,920 --> 03:08:51,840 >> No. If if Tim needs it at 6 for him to 3238 03:08:51,840 --> 03:08:53,120 be here, that's when we need to do it. 3239 03:08:53,120 --> 03:08:54,399 >> Is that with your work schedule? 3240 03:08:54,399 --> 03:08:56,479 >> That that I mean, no. I can be here 3241 03:08:56,479 --> 03:08:58,960 earlier, but my preference would be to 3242 03:08:58,960 --> 03:09:00,960 later on in the evening. So, if we need 3243 03:09:00,960 --> 03:09:03,520 to go earlier to accommodate Marshall, I 3244 03:09:03,520 --> 03:09:06,080 can I can do earlier. That 3245 03:09:06,080 --> 03:09:08,800 >> six works the best, but I'm I'm 3246 03:09:08,800 --> 03:09:10,479 flexible. Like Mike said, I can go 3247 03:09:10,479 --> 03:09:11,200 earlier. 3248 03:09:11,200 --> 03:09:12,800 >> Mr. Jameson, I'm going to make sure if 3249 03:09:12,800 --> 03:09:14,560 we do it at 6 that 3250 03:09:14,560 --> 03:09:16,319 >> that probably better for the public, 3251 03:09:16,319 --> 03:09:16,960 right? 3252 03:09:16,960 --> 03:09:17,520 >> Pardon me. 3253 03:09:17,520 --> 03:09:19,120 >> That would probably be better six. 3254 03:09:19,120 --> 03:09:21,920 >> I think it would absolutely um help the 3255 03:09:21,920 --> 03:09:25,120 public at at any time after 5:00. I 3256 03:09:25,120 --> 03:09:26,399 think would So, do you all want to go 3257 03:09:26,399 --> 03:09:28,160 with six? 3258 03:09:28,160 --> 03:09:32,640 Okay. Um, I'm putting that down. Um, 3259 03:09:32,640 --> 03:09:35,279 my pen would work. 3260 03:09:35,279 --> 03:09:37,520 Okay. Thank you. I think we're okay. So, 3261 03:09:37,520 --> 03:09:40,319 the next item is uh a called meeting to 3262 03:09:40,319 --> 03:09:43,040 be held the next week. uh the week of 3263 03:09:43,040 --> 03:09:46,880 September se 7th through um this says 3264 03:09:46,880 --> 03:09:48,880 the 11th but I would really say as 3265 03:09:48,880 --> 03:09:51,520 you'll see um we need to conduct the 3266 03:09:51,520 --> 03:09:55,439 interviews between the 7th and the 10th 3267 03:09:55,439 --> 03:09:58,960 um and those interviews um would be 3268 03:09:58,960 --> 03:10:01,840 scheduled accordingly after we get the 3269 03:10:01,840 --> 03:10:03,600 applications and to see how many 3270 03:10:03,600 --> 03:10:07,600 applicants we have um the deadline to 3271 03:10:07,600 --> 03:10:09,600 interview is September 11th but as 3272 03:10:09,600 --> 03:10:12,800 you'll see the next item um is that we 3273 03:10:12,800 --> 03:10:14,880 would have another called meeting that 3274 03:10:14,880 --> 03:10:20,000 week where on September 11th um we would 3275 03:10:20,000 --> 03:10:21,600 um 3276 03:10:21,600 --> 03:10:24,160 let's see uh we would go we we have to 3277 03:10:24,160 --> 03:10:26,720 vote on the selected candidate on the 3278 03:10:26,720 --> 03:10:30,160 11th so we interview that week we have 3279 03:10:30,160 --> 03:10:32,319 discussion that week and we have to vote 3280 03:10:32,319 --> 03:10:35,279 on the candidate by the 11th which is 3281 03:10:35,279 --> 03:10:38,880 that Friday so uh between the dates and 3282 03:10:38,880 --> 03:10:40,399 this is going to be predicated of course 3283 03:10:40,399 --> 03:10:43,439 on the number of applicants we get. You 3284 03:10:43,439 --> 03:10:45,359 know, if we get two applicants, then our 3285 03:10:45,359 --> 03:10:47,200 interview schedule will not be too 3286 03:10:47,200 --> 03:10:50,880 complex. If we have five applicants, six 3287 03:10:50,880 --> 03:10:52,720 applicants, we'll have to work 3288 03:10:52,720 --> 03:10:55,359 accordingly. So, what I would suggest is 3289 03:10:55,359 --> 03:10:59,040 that we consider earlier in the week to 3290 03:10:59,040 --> 03:11:01,439 start the interview schedule in case we 3291 03:11:01,439 --> 03:11:03,840 need extra time after we see how many 3292 03:11:03,840 --> 03:11:07,279 applicants we get. So, with that said, 3293 03:11:07,279 --> 03:11:10,960 um does does anybody have uh avail Well, 3294 03:11:10,960 --> 03:11:12,560 the 7th is Labor Day. Yeah, 3295 03:11:12,560 --> 03:11:14,800 >> let me just say that right off hand. 3296 03:11:14,800 --> 03:11:17,200 >> Um 3297 03:11:17,200 --> 03:11:19,760 what is your pleasure uh for the 8th, 3298 03:11:19,760 --> 03:11:23,359 9th, and 10th for interviews? 3299 03:11:23,359 --> 03:11:24,720 >> I'll make it work. 3300 03:11:24,720 --> 03:11:25,760 >> I'm good. 3301 03:11:25,760 --> 03:11:30,389 >> Mr. Jameson, 3302 03:11:30,399 --> 03:11:32,080 » I'm good. 3303 03:11:32,080 --> 03:11:32,880 >> Mr. Mitchell? 3304 03:11:32,880 --> 03:11:33,680 >> Yeah. 3305 03:11:33,680 --> 03:11:35,120 >> Okay. Okay. And I've got you covered, 3306 03:11:35,120 --> 03:11:39,600 Mr. Quinn. Thank you. Um Okay. Um I've 3307 03:11:39,600 --> 03:11:43,600 got to be out of town um Tuesday for a 3308 03:11:43,600 --> 03:11:46,960 UVA appointment for my daughter. Um so 3309 03:11:46,960 --> 03:11:49,600 um I would like some grace there if I 3310 03:11:49,600 --> 03:11:52,960 could get some. Um could we start 3311 03:11:52,960 --> 03:11:57,520 interviewing um on the 9th uh starting 3312 03:11:57,520 --> 03:12:00,240 right after lunch? How does that work 3313 03:12:00,240 --> 03:12:04,150 for everybody? 3314 03:12:04,160 --> 03:12:05,840 Mr. Damison, 3315 03:12:05,840 --> 03:12:09,279 >> start on the 9th. 3316 03:12:09,279 --> 03:12:12,880 >> Um, and start maybe at 1:00. 3317 03:12:12,880 --> 03:12:15,120 How's that work for you, Mr. M? 3318 03:12:15,120 --> 03:12:16,000 >> Mr. Carter? 3319 03:12:16,000 --> 03:12:17,840 >> I'm fine with that. 3320 03:12:17,840 --> 03:12:20,640 >> Okay. And then if again, we'll have to 3321 03:12:20,640 --> 03:12:22,640 evaluate how many applicants we get and 3322 03:12:22,640 --> 03:12:25,359 we'll know that very soon. Um and we 3323 03:12:25,359 --> 03:12:27,520 will adjust the interview schedule. If 3324 03:12:27,520 --> 03:12:30,720 we can get the interviews um done in a 3325 03:12:30,720 --> 03:12:32,800 in an orderly manner depending upon 3326 03:12:32,800 --> 03:12:34,560 number, we might be able to complete 3327 03:12:34,560 --> 03:12:37,040 them on the 9th. But if we need extra 3328 03:12:37,040 --> 03:12:39,680 time, uh we've got that cushion day of 3329 03:12:39,680 --> 03:12:42,319 the 10th in there. So I would ask you to 3330 03:12:42,319 --> 03:12:46,080 hold the 10th open if you can if we need 3331 03:12:46,080 --> 03:12:49,200 that. Is everyone okay with that? So 3332 03:12:49,200 --> 03:12:53,279 interviews on the 9th at 1 p.m. Is that 3333 03:12:53,279 --> 03:12:54,240 cool? 3334 03:12:54,240 --> 03:12:57,200 All right. Um, and so that'll move us 3335 03:12:57,200 --> 03:13:01,520 into Friday the 11th, which is when, um, 3336 03:13:01,520 --> 03:13:03,439 you know, as we have those interviews, 3337 03:13:03,439 --> 03:13:05,359 we'll have close session time, you know, 3338 03:13:05,359 --> 03:13:08,160 during this week to deliberate, um, you 3339 03:13:08,160 --> 03:13:10,000 know, after the interviews and so forth 3340 03:13:10,000 --> 03:13:13,279 as a board. Um, and then on Friday the 3341 03:13:13,279 --> 03:13:16,080 11th, we need to vote on the selected 3342 03:13:16,080 --> 03:13:18,880 candidate in open session. So, what I 3343 03:13:18,880 --> 03:13:21,200 would ask is, what is your pleasure on 3344 03:13:21,200 --> 03:13:23,600 Friday the 11th? 3345 03:13:23,600 --> 03:13:26,560 um to to make the announcement of the 3346 03:13:26,560 --> 03:13:28,960 candidate that we uh would like to see 3347 03:13:28,960 --> 03:13:31,840 voted on 3348 03:13:31,840 --> 03:13:33,359 time. 3349 03:13:33,359 --> 03:13:35,040 >> Can we do it that morning? Cuz I might 3350 03:13:35,040 --> 03:13:36,239 be leaving to go out of town that 3351 03:13:36,239 --> 03:13:36,640 evening 3352 03:13:36,640 --> 03:13:38,560 >> and I know there's a fair anniversary 3353 03:13:38,560 --> 03:13:41,520 water quality monitoring dinner that 3354 03:13:41,520 --> 03:13:43,600 night if anybody's interested in going 3355 03:13:43,600 --> 03:13:44,960 to that. You want to do it in the 3356 03:13:44,960 --> 03:13:45,600 morning? 3357 03:13:45,600 --> 03:13:47,359 >> That would work good for me so we can 3358 03:13:47,359 --> 03:13:48,560 leave that evening. 3359 03:13:48,560 --> 03:13:51,439 >> Okay, Mr. Jameson 3360 03:13:51,439 --> 03:13:53,600 that day. I'm good. But we will vote on 3361 03:13:53,600 --> 03:13:54,560 them that day. 3362 03:13:54,560 --> 03:13:56,560 >> We will be voting. We have to 3363 03:13:56,560 --> 03:13:57,600 >> be gone the next week. 3364 03:13:57,600 --> 03:13:59,439 >> Well, I think the statute lines us up to 3365 03:13:59,439 --> 03:14:00,399 vote by the 14th. 3366 03:14:00,399 --> 03:14:01,439 >> By the 11th. 3367 03:14:01,439 --> 03:14:03,439 >> Yeah. Um Mr. Tatum, 3368 03:14:03,439 --> 03:14:05,520 >> I'm good. Just for whatever time you 3369 03:14:05,520 --> 03:14:06,479 say, be here. 3370 03:14:06,479 --> 03:14:07,760 >> Okay, Mr. Carter. 3371 03:14:07,760 --> 03:14:10,000 >> I'm good, but I would prefer morning. 3372 03:14:10,000 --> 03:14:12,000 >> Okay. And Mr. Mitchell, you said you 3373 03:14:12,000 --> 03:14:12,720 were okay. Correct. 3374 03:14:12,720 --> 03:14:13,279 >> Morning. 3375 03:14:13,279 --> 03:14:16,560 >> All right. So, for the 11th, um, what if 3376 03:14:16,560 --> 03:14:20,960 we set this at, um, 3377 03:14:20,960 --> 03:14:23,040 11:00 a.m., 10:00 a.m.? 3378 03:14:23,040 --> 03:14:23,840 >> How about 10? 3379 03:14:23,840 --> 03:14:24,560 >> 10. 3380 03:14:24,560 --> 03:14:25,279 Okay. 3381 03:14:25,279 --> 03:14:25,840 >> Seven. 3382 03:14:25,840 --> 03:14:27,040 >> All right. So, 3383 03:14:27,040 --> 03:14:27,680 >> 5:15. 3384 03:14:27,680 --> 03:14:31,200 >> We are not doing seven. Okay. All right. 3385 03:14:31,200 --> 03:14:34,800 So, 10:00 a.m. on the 11th um to have a 3386 03:14:34,800 --> 03:14:37,359 public vote on the selected candidate. 3387 03:14:37,359 --> 03:14:40,640 Um, and if things go according to plan, 3388 03:14:40,640 --> 03:14:42,960 um, you know, this has come on us very 3389 03:14:42,960 --> 03:14:46,080 quickly and, you know, I've been trying 3390 03:14:46,080 --> 03:14:48,239 to throw this stuff together, um, with 3391 03:14:48,239 --> 03:14:51,760 Mr. Gwyn. Um, so again, some grace 3392 03:14:51,760 --> 03:14:55,040 trying to get everything lined up. Um, 3393 03:14:55,040 --> 03:14:57,680 it would be fantastic. Our board meeting 3394 03:14:57,680 --> 03:15:01,520 in September comes early on the 15th, 3395 03:15:01,520 --> 03:15:04,239 the way the calendar lies. So, um it 3396 03:15:04,239 --> 03:15:07,279 would be fantastic to get our candidate 3397 03:15:07,279 --> 03:15:11,120 um awarded on the uh on the 11th and 3398 03:15:11,120 --> 03:15:13,439 then our board meeting is the 15th the 3399 03:15:13,439 --> 03:15:15,840 following Tuesday. So, it would be 3400 03:15:15,840 --> 03:15:18,960 fantastic um I think um moving forward 3401 03:15:18,960 --> 03:15:21,520 unless the board objects. um we could 3402 03:15:21,520 --> 03:15:23,920 possibly maybe get this individual sworn 3403 03:15:23,920 --> 03:15:27,600 in at our board meeting and have uh the 3404 03:15:27,600 --> 03:15:29,920 judge or the circuit court clerk here to 3405 03:15:29,920 --> 03:15:32,160 do so so the applicant's family could be 3406 03:15:32,160 --> 03:15:34,479 here and so forth. Um but that's that 3407 03:15:34,479 --> 03:15:36,319 again is a is a board decision for you 3408 03:15:36,319 --> 03:15:38,880 all to give me guidance on. 3409 03:15:38,880 --> 03:15:41,200 >> So is there anything what we'll do is I 3410 03:15:41,200 --> 03:15:44,239 will get you a memorandum of confirming 3411 03:15:44,239 --> 03:15:46,960 these dates and times. Of course, there 3412 03:15:46,960 --> 03:15:49,120 will be uh public appropriate public 3413 03:15:49,120 --> 03:15:52,000 notice given through Steve and his 3414 03:15:52,000 --> 03:15:54,800 staff, the 3-day uh public notice that 3415 03:15:54,800 --> 03:15:56,720 will go out to the, you know, to the 3416 03:15:56,720 --> 03:15:58,960 citizens and so forth to announce the 3417 03:15:58,960 --> 03:16:02,160 meetings and um the appropriate times 3418 03:16:02,160 --> 03:16:03,520 where we'll have to go into close 3419 03:16:03,520 --> 03:16:06,319 session with those uh code sections uh 3420 03:16:06,319 --> 03:16:10,479 properly announced. uh with that um and 3421 03:16:10,479 --> 03:16:13,200 I think I think if this was uh not as 3422 03:16:13,200 --> 03:16:14,640 painful as I thought it was going to be. 3423 03:16:14,640 --> 03:16:17,200 Thank you all for your um for your 3424 03:16:17,200 --> 03:16:19,760 flexibility and I will get out conf you 3425 03:16:19,760 --> 03:16:21,520 know confirmations on dates and times 3426 03:16:21,520 --> 03:16:23,840 and and what those are for just so you 3427 03:16:23,840 --> 03:16:25,279 can have that information moving 3428 03:16:25,279 --> 03:16:27,680 forward. Do you all have any comments or 3429 03:16:27,680 --> 03:16:28,319 questions? 3430 03:16:28,319 --> 03:16:30,399 >> I have a question Lori. So is this 3431 03:16:30,399 --> 03:16:31,760 appointment will just be for three and a 3432 03:16:31,760 --> 03:16:33,120 half months. Will there be a special 3433 03:16:33,120 --> 03:16:34,399 election in [cough] 3434 03:16:34,399 --> 03:16:36,080 >> this will be on the ballot next 3435 03:16:36,080 --> 03:16:36,800 November? 3436 03:16:36,800 --> 03:16:38,960 >> Oh next November. Oh, so not like the 3437 03:16:38,960 --> 03:16:40,479 school board position that's on this 3438 03:16:40,479 --> 03:16:40,800 November. 3439 03:16:40,800 --> 03:16:43,600 >> No, sir. That Mr. Datak with I know Jim 3440 03:16:43,600 --> 03:16:46,000 and I have talked about that twice. 3441 03:16:46,000 --> 03:16:47,680 >> Next general election. Yes, that would 3442 03:16:47,680 --> 03:16:51,279 be next November. So, um that Thank you 3443 03:16:51,279 --> 03:16:52,640 for bringing that up, Dan. That's a 3444 03:16:52,640 --> 03:16:55,040 really good point. And of course, um the 3445 03:16:55,040 --> 03:16:56,960 applicants the application will go 3446 03:16:56,960 --> 03:16:58,800 through a lot of this, but you know, you 3447 03:16:58,800 --> 03:17:00,239 have to be a resident of the Boone 3448 03:17:00,239 --> 03:17:02,800 District in good standing. Um all of 3449 03:17:02,800 --> 03:17:04,960 that will be articulated for for your 3450 03:17:04,960 --> 03:17:07,359 reference points. And of course, if any 3451 03:17:07,359 --> 03:17:10,000 applicants that you know of or friends 3452 03:17:10,000 --> 03:17:11,920 or neighbors in that district have any 3453 03:17:11,920 --> 03:17:14,319 questions, um please feel free to call 3454 03:17:14,319 --> 03:17:17,359 myself, Mr. Sandy, our clerk Samantha, 3455 03:17:17,359 --> 03:17:19,600 uh and we are happy to help you uh walk 3456 03:17:19,600 --> 03:17:21,680 you through [snorts] uh any information 3457 03:17:21,680 --> 03:17:24,720 that you need. So, am I clear that you 3458 03:17:24,720 --> 03:17:26,720 all are don't have any further questions 3459 03:17:26,720 --> 03:17:29,840 or comments on the process? Mr. Data, do 3460 03:17:29,840 --> 03:17:32,399 you have anything to add? 3461 03:17:32,399 --> 03:17:34,000 >> Not unless someone has questions. No, 3462 03:17:34,000 --> 03:17:34,399 thank you. 3463 03:17:34,399 --> 03:17:36,720 >> Okay, Mr. Sandy. 3464 03:17:36,720 --> 03:17:39,680 Okay. Um, is there any other business to 3465 03:17:39,680 --> 03:17:42,960 come before uh the board this afternoon? 3466 03:17:42,960 --> 03:17:44,080 Anything on your mind? 3467 03:17:44,080 --> 03:17:46,160 >> I have one item, Madame Clerk. I I'd 3468 03:17:46,160 --> 03:17:48,720 like to wish Mr. Sandy a very happy 3469 03:17:48,720 --> 03:17:49,279 birthday. 3470 03:17:49,279 --> 03:17:51,356 >> Are we supposed to sing, Tony? 3471 03:17:51,356 --> 03:17:52,720 [laughter] 3472 03:17:52,720 --> 03:17:54,560 >> Happy birth. Please don't. You don't 3473 03:17:54,560 --> 03:17:57,040 want me singing to you. Um, but happy 3474 03:17:57,040 --> 03:17:57,600 birthday. 3475 03:17:57,600 --> 03:17:58,319 >> Thank you. 3476 03:17:58,319 --> 03:18:01,200 >> Very happy birthday. Okay. So, um, I 3477 03:18:01,200 --> 03:18:03,279 think we're good and, um, I'm going to 3478 03:18:03,279 --> 03:18:07,040 adjourn the meeting. until uh se well I 3479 03:18:07,040 --> 03:18:10,080 guess our our meetings that'll be let's 3480 03:18:10,080 --> 03:18:11,120 see the first one 3481 03:18:11,120 --> 03:18:13,120 >> third you would have to open 3482 03:18:13,120 --> 03:18:14,160 >> yes September 3rd 3483 03:18:14,160 --> 03:18:15,439 >> open a meeting and then go into close 3484 03:18:15,439 --> 03:18:16,000 session 3485 03:18:16,000 --> 03:18:18,160 >> yeah so we're going to adjourn until 3486 03:18:18,160 --> 03:18:21,040 September 3rd so thank you all very much 3487 03:18:21,040 --> 03:18:24,160 for your time and your attention