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Welcome back. So, moving forward with

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the committee meetings this afternoon,

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the next committee is committee of the

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whole. Just making note that

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So, the majority of council members are

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currently in chambers. I know that

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Councilmember Lilliquist is in the

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building somewhere and I expect his

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return shortly. So, we have a quorum and

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we'll proceed. The first item before the

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committee this afternoon is agenda bill

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25023.

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This is a resolution establishing the

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docket of proposed amendments to be

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reviewed in the 2026 comprehensive plan

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amendment cycle.

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Proposed amendments added to the annual

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docket will be reviewed using a type six

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process, including public hearings on

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the merits before the

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before the planning commission and the

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city council.

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Following a recommendation by the

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planning commission, the city council

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will have an opportunity later this year

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to approve, modify, or deny each request

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using the criteria in Bellingham

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Municipal Code Title 20.20.040.

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For this item, I will first turn to the

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Planning Community Development Director

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Blake Lyon.

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» Thank you and good afternoon, Council.

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As you may recall, in the Growth

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Management Act for Washington State, we

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are allowed to amend the comprehensive

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plan one time each calendar year. And

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so, Chris is here, Chris Becher, our

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long-range planning manager, is here to

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walk us through that.

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It does count as one time even though

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there are multiple items, and so that's

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why we're going to walk through a few of

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those things, and please let us know if

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you have questions. Chris.

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» Great.

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Thank you, Director Lyon. Good

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afternoon, Council, Deputy Mayor,

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members of the public.

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It seems like just a few months ago we

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were here adopting the final Bellingham

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Plan. I think it was actually a little

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bit more than a half a year ago, but

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here we are.

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Blake just indicated, we do have one

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chance per year outside of that

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once-a-decade periodic update cycle to

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bring amendments forward.

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They do

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the the list that the resolution before

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you today

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will create is called the docket. We

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have language in our municipal code and

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there's language in the growth

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management act about that docket, which

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is that once a year list. Today's

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resolution includes seven proposed

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amendments and I'll go through those in

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just a moment. And again as referenced

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to get on to the docket, there is a set

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of criteria in section 030 of 2020.

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There's also that list that was

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referenced in the agenda bill in 040

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that immediately follows this. That's

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how those actual proposals are evaluated

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once they're put on that list.

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summarizing in general terms as opposed

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to the more legal language in the BMC,

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but the criteria first they must the

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city must possess the staff resources

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and any other necessary resources to

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thoroughly evaluate these proposals.

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And as indicated in the staff report,

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staff have determined that we we do have

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those resources. It's in the 2026 budget

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to review proposals like these. They

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also must be appropriate to the comp

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plan. They actually

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the way they're the criteria are

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written, they must satisfy the first one

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that we have the resources and then any

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of those following five. And I guess I

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would just say you can you can read

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those yourselves.

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that make up this this group of seven

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proposals all tick

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for the most part boxes 1, 2, 3, and 4.

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state law requirements. We we tied most

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of those up in the Bellingham plan and

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there are some forthcoming later this

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year that are code amendments for things

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in the BMC that are responsive. So

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really just mostly operating in those

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those first four items there.

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believe we have the resources and we do

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believe that each of those meets one or

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more of those criteria specifically in 1

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through 4. And then also as indicated in

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the agenda bill once docketed these go

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through our normal standard types what

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we call our type six review process for

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amendments to the comprehensive plan and

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so that is public hearing before the

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planning commission and once planning

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commission chooses to make any

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modifications or changes to those they

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make a recommendation to go before the

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city that for that to go before the city

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council and then you also host a public

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hearing to hear from the community and

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then review those the information review

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the recommendation from the planning

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commission and then decide if you choose

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to approve modify or deny each of those

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individually.

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that they all travel as a package

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forward at least through that

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those final votes by the city council

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which will likely be in December because

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that is that constitutes our one shot

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that the state affords us.

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through these in detail but I've kind of

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grouped them into three general

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categories in the map here for

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reference.

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after I'm done with this feel free to

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ask questions.

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There really is only one that

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constitutes what we would call a rezone

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and comp plan amendment and that relates

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out in the Iron Gate neighborhood there

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is a public zone that sits in the midst

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of a larger industrial zone out there

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and that public zone is currently owned

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by Watcom County. There's a crisis

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center out there. There's a day work

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center out there and they have a

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proposal

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just to the east of that on two

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to the west of that rather on two tax

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parcels to add their behavior care

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center and that's something that they'd

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like to do relatively soon and so that's

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again that kind of timely fashion.

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That's why this landed on the docket

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this year.

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So that's one of the proposals. The city

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you can see there's there's two blue

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pieces here with the gap in the middle

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the gap being the existing public zone.

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City staff when we reviewed the county's

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proposal

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would like to take the opportunity to

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clean up the the easterly boundary of

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that public zone. The city owns a piece

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of property that was formerly the the

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Vector waste site where materials were

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dried before being shipped off um things

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cleaned out of stormwater ponds and

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other kind of uh material. Um the city

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still owns that property and has an

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anticipated use there. And then also the

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southerly portion of that of that

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easterly site is actually part of the

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main county tax parcel that lives in

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that public zone. It's actually their

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stormwater pond that serves that site.

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kind of create a consolidated block of

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city and county ownership. Uh and so we

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felt like this was the opportune moment

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to slightly expand the county's request

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and and bring that forward. So that's

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what that that one involves.

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These middle series ones uh really tick

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the updates box. Um these are things

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that were anticipated when we brought

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the Bellingham plan forward late last

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year. We talked about the fact that

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there was a water system plan under

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review um that the uh pros plan was

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currently under underway at that point.

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And as you all know, you approved that

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by resolution um this spring.

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And so um and then also uh the school

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district Bellingham school district is

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updating their capital facility plan.

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we'll have an updated capital projects

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list and we would like to incorporate

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that into our capital facility plan. Um

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that's the piece that enables us to

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collect impact fees. And then [snorts]

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also um earlier this year, the library

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board of trustees approved updated level

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of service standards for the public

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library which also lives in that capital

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facilities plan. So these are all um I'm

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not going to call it housekeeping, but

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they're all kind of general updates. Um

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they're not ones they've already had

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some sort of discussion through other

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processes or will through other

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processes and it's really the exercise

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of wrapping them in underneath the

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Bellingham plan uh so that there's that

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policy weight that drives that action

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there.

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Um the others are um really cleanups and

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corrections. And so we had some things

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related to the land use map that we

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adopted at the end of the year in the

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Bellingham plan. There were a couple of

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errors in the way that we translated

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urban village designations in the Samish

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Way urban village to the land use map.

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residential that were really commercial.

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to clean that up. It's very hard to see

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on the one page map in the Bellingham

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plan, but if you bring up our web map

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and you can zoom in you're like, oh,

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wait, there's a few there that we got

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wrong and that disagree with the

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designations in the municipal code. So

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we we would like to correct that.

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earlier in the year public works brought

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forward changes to citywide speed limits

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and also in in that same ordinance

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amended the citywide list of arterial

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streets that live in the

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in the municipal code. We would like to

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sync up the maps in the transportation

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chapter of the Bellingham plan and also

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the the arterial map that lives in the

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multimodal plan with that new list of

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arterial streets. And also there were

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one or two errors in the previous

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arterial map that was adopted in the

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plan itself. One being Birchwood that

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goes beneath I-5 was missing from the

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map. So there's a few just little

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corrections like that we'd like to bring

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forward and then that update to sync it

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up with the BMC.

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we call an error of omission in the 2016

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comprehensive plan we had a policy

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in the facilities capital facilities

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chapter that talked about that we need a

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process for siting essential public

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facilities. We have a piece in BMC 2017

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that we've codified in years past that

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specific policy process to site

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essential public facilities.

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in the Bellingham plan process did our

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facilities and services chapter, we

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generalized a policy and we

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inadvertently generalized out that

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essential public facilities language. So

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we have

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policy FS17 in the chapter in the

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Bellingham plan we'd like to add that

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language back in so that that [snorts]

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supports and points to our municipal

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code title 2017. So that completes that

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circle there and reestablishes that

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relationship.

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Those are really the list of updates. As

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you can see, there's really only one

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that's a what we would call kind of a

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classic rezone. The rest are all either

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updates or kind of clean-up exercises

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that we'd like to do.

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And staff recommend approval of the

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resolution to put those on the docket

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for consideration in the type six

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process.

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Before questions, I do want to just

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pivot real quickly or leave this up

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here. This is the schedule and this was

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also in the packet. It is a very short

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docketing schedule compared to most

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years

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and that's just where we find ourselves

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in the in the year.

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But we we are looking at a planning

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commission public hearing on October 5th

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October 1st.

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Looking at a work session if needed on

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October 15th and then we would come

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before you with a work session on

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November 2nd and then a public hearing

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on that same material on November 16th.

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Where we typically start have started

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with a public hearing before you. We're

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starting with a work session just to

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give the public more time to digest that

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draft ordinance and if there are any

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substantive comments to give them time

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to pull those together and also to give

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you a head start on asking any questions

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that we might [snorts] be able to

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clarify when we come forward with with

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that public hearing.

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And then there will be um

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just based on the on the rest of the

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year for the council calendar, December

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7th could be an opportunity to approve

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that draft ordinance and then the last

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meeting in the year would be December

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14th and so that would be the the third

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and final reading opportunity. If it

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doesn't happen sooner than that.

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So

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» [snorts]

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» With that,

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happy to answer any questions and

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entertain approval of the resolution.

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» Open up to council members. Council

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member Luquest?

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» Thank you Mr. Beebe for the

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presentation. These do strike me as

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appropriate and important um

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items to add to the docket. I know that

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in previous years we've had uh well,

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docketing occurred earlier and there

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were bigger items. They often had to do

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with urban villages or maybe private

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applications who are seeking significant

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changes in land use. Um

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do you feel comfortable speculating on

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why none of those have been coming

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forward? I'm going to guess it might be

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due to the fact that we just went

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through the comp plan cycle and that

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might have sort of cleared out people's

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requests at that moment. Uh is there any

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other reasoning you think we might we

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see those return in following years?

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» Yeah, I think I think that you really

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hit on it right there. Just that we had

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just finished the comp plan update

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process. We addressed a large variety of

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of of concerns expressed by the

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community in in all of the 2 and 1/2

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years of public input we received there.

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We did also um for a few inquiries from

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different developers or property owners

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around town that came forward during the

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periodic update process and they were

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asking specifically about something

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around residential zoning. We strongly

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encouraged them to pay attention to our

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process of adopting the interims for the

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middle housing, for ADUs, for um the

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design the uh design review process. And

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I think through that process um some of

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them either um

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realized that they could do what they

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were looking for there or decided to

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just push pause and wait for kind of the

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dust to settle after the plan was

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adopted and after um

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the if if you remember back to the uh

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just this last week the joint meeting

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that the planning committee had with the

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planning commission, that that list of

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code updates that we're still working on

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um as that plays itself out um and we go

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from interim middle housing regs to what

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the permanent ones will look like. So, I

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think there's some there's some um

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uh

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uh

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um

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un- uncertainty I guess is the right

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word about what the final code will look

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like and people maybe are wanting to

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just wait instead of introducing change

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in the middle of that to say let's wait

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and we might get what we need right

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there just through that process. And

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there will be again opportunities for us

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to receive comments on those amendments

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as well. So, I think that's part of it.

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Um and then the other part is staff are

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not proposing other substantive

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amendments for that very same reason

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that we're in the midst of like we're

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not going to um

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begin to do some of the things around

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like transit-oriented development or

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other kind of larger work plan items

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until later in the process when we get

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those residential zoning pieces ticked

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off that are um that we want to get

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those finished first. So, so a couple of

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different reasons why you're not seeing

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maybe a lot of requests from the public

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or other staff initiatives that are

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substantive coming forward outside of

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what's already on the schedule.

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» Anything else from council members? Um I

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just wanted to confirm

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Well,

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one express appreciation for the sort of

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elongated consideration by the council

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at the end of the year

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having that work session I think before

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the public hearing as you noted is

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beneficial to bringing forward council

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questions as well as um alerting the

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public to that item coming forward.

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And then, I just wanted to confirm the

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deadline for this to be adopted would be

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by the end of the year, right? It needs

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to be finalized before the close of the

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» Right, the items that we would that that

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are docketed on this 2026 list um I will

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say uh and I think uh Mike is here from

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uh Mike Wilson from Public Works. The

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one item that there's a little bit of

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uncertainty over is the water system

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plan and it's going through some late

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stages of approval and back and forth

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with the state. Um what we've talked

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with Public Works and the the the

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decision was well, let's go ahead and

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keep it on the list, um get it get it

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docketed today if we can and then as we

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have done in many times in years past,

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um items on the docket, if they don't

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get approved that year and they haven't

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been denied, they they are effectively

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still on the list and we don't need to

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docket them again. We can approve them

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with the 2027 docket. Um and we have had

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reasons in the past and other kinds of

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things that have spanned multiple years

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in that process. So, but just on the off

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chance that things all fall into place

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before the end of the year, that water

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system plan was one we felt like, "Well,

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let's get it on the list and leave it

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there. And if things converge in

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December and we can get it approved,

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that's great. If not, we will just

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finish that when it once it comes

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forward for final approval."

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» Okay. And just confirming today we have

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a resolution for consideration that

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would only require one vote. Um, but

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what will be coming forward would be an

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ordinance that will require first and

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second and third and final.

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Okay. Um, Interim City Attorney, James

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Erck.

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» Thank you. Good afternoon. So, I just

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wanted to um

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add on to something that Mr. B he said

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in response to your question,

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Councilmember Littlequist, about why

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this is a lighter

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docket. Um

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right when staff started getting moving

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on the periodic update, uh we came

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forward and asked Council

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uh to adopt a a resolution, if you will,

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to suspend the docket uh during that

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period so that staff could focus really

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on that important 10-year periodic

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update. So, we didn't actually receive

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any private requests uh in response to

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Council taking that action. Um and

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secondly, I just want Council to be

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aware because of the kind of compressed

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schedule, if you will, for these seven

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proposed docket uh amendments or comp

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plan amendments,

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um when they go forward to Planning

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Commission and then come to City

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Council, they will be consolidated

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uh for review. So,

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uh think about it in terms of like there

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will be one ordinance amending the comp

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plan with seven discrete sections, one

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section representing each of these seven

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amendments, assuming that Council

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approves this proposed docket, um

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rather than

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seven public hearings, seven separate

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ordinances,

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seven separate work sessions, etc. So,

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it's all going to be one

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comprehensive package, if that makes

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sense.

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Any questions about that?

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Okay. Thank you.

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» Thank you. Um I'm going to move approval

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of the resolution establishing the

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docket of proposed amendments to be

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reviewed in the 2026 comprehensive

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planned amendment cycle.

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» Second.

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» So, a motion was made by Council member

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Anderson and a second by Council member

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Huffman.

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Any discussion?

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Okay.

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Seeing none, all in favor will say aye.

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» Aye.

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» Aye.

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» Any opposed or abstentions? Okay. Seeing

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none, that passes 7-0. I'll bring that

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forward this evening.

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Thank you very much.

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So, the next item before the Committee

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of the Whole this afternoon is agenda

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bill 25022.

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This is a discussion of tenant

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engagement options.

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So, as you may recall earlier this year,

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the Council directed staff, being

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Council staff, to research options for

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tenant engagement similar to the

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landlord and property manager survey

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that was conducted last fall in 2025.

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After considering options, a digital

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survey was identified as the recommended

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engagement strategy.

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The administration is also taking steps

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to convene the landlord and tenant

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advisory working group at this time.

559
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So, at this time Council staff seeks

560
00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:43,680
direction for next steps on tenant

561
00:18:41,360 --> 00:18:45,400
engagement. I'm going to turn to Iris

562
00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,520
Knot, who is our legislative policy

563
00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,720
analyst.

564
00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,720
» Thank you.

565
00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:53,160
Um yes, as Council President Stone

566
00:18:49,720 --> 00:18:55,000
mentioned, uh this came from the uh

567
00:18:53,160 --> 00:18:57,520
rental fee ordinances that were passed

568
00:18:55,000 --> 00:19:00,000
last year in June. And during that time,

569
00:18:57,520 --> 00:19:02,520
Council had initially asked for feedback

570
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:05,000
um or data collection on landlord

571
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:06,760
impacts from those ordinances.

572
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,720
And so, we created a survey, conducted

573
00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,040
it in October-November, and presented it

574
00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:13,440
earlier this year. And during the

575
00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:16,080
presentation of that survey, uh Council

576
00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:19,600
requested a engagement strategy for

577
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:22,440
tenant feedback. Uh so during that time,

578
00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:25,160
that was in April, and then in May, the

579
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:28,320
Council approved the um resolution

580
00:19:25,160 --> 00:19:31,760
creating the uh landlord and tenant

581
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:34,160
advisory work group. Um

582
00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:37,640
And that part of their assignment is to

583
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:39,800
create um to to do two things. So, their

584
00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:42,640
assignments include reviewing existing

585
00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:44,080
data, um and then they also include

586
00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,200
reviewing and providing feedback on

587
00:19:44,080 --> 00:19:48,960
proposed plans for future data gathering

588
00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:50,840
and public engagement efforts. Um And so

589
00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:53,280
there's two sort of elements of that

590
00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:56,160
that kind of relate to the potential to

591
00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:59,120
move forward with this uh survey. And

592
00:19:56,160 --> 00:20:01,280
so, there are some pros and cons of

593
00:19:59,120 --> 00:20:03,480
moving forward or waiting. And there are

594
00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:05,080
really, I as I see it, kind of two

595
00:20:03,480 --> 00:20:08,120
options. We can move forward with the

596
00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:10,520
survey sort of along the same timeline

597
00:20:08,120 --> 00:20:12,200
that the rental advisory group um the

598
00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:15,120
sorry, landlord and tenant advisory

599
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:19,080
group is getting rolling and doing their

600
00:20:15,120 --> 00:20:22,000
work, in which case this survey would be

601
00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:24,920
conducted in the fall, and then the data

602
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:26,720
analyzed and presented to both Council

603
00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:29,880
and then available for that advisory

604
00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:33,360
group to use as part of their work.

605
00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:36,000
Um alternatively, we could pause and see

606
00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:39,360
what the engagement strategy

607
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:41,800
that they develop and um create would be

608
00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:43,600
in terms of getting data collection from

609
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:46,080
both landlords and tenants in the long

610
00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:47,880
term. And um

611
00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,400
there pros and cons to both of these

612
00:20:47,880 --> 00:20:51,840
options. So, we can move forward and

613
00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:54,640
provide that data. Council receives data

614
00:20:51,840 --> 00:20:56,440
earlier. Um it responds to the request

615
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:58,120
and the interest that you have to

616
00:20:56,440 --> 00:21:01,120
collect information similar to the

617
00:20:58,120 --> 00:21:02,800
landlord um feedback that we've received

618
00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:05,840
if we move forward.

619
00:21:02,800 --> 00:21:08,120
If we pause, there's the potential for a

620
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:11,320
more robust strategy that comes out of

621
00:21:08,120 --> 00:21:12,880
this work group from the collaboration

622
00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:14,560
of the landlords and the tenants during

623
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:18,440
this work group that might create a more

624
00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:20,920
long-term um comprehensive data strategy

625
00:21:18,440 --> 00:21:24,360
and and gathering process.

626
00:21:20,920 --> 00:21:26,680
So, at this point, I wanted to pause and

627
00:21:24,360 --> 00:21:29,480
see what the direction is from the

628
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:33,120
council. Um and there may be some other

629
00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:35,000
input coming from uh Director Ryan.

630
00:21:33,120 --> 00:21:37,400
Yes, Director Ryan.

631
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:41,080
» If I may just uh to give you a little

632
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:43,080
bit of a uh calendar sequence for what's

633
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,320
anticipated with the landlord-tenant

634
00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:47,960
advisory work group. So, you have before

635
00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:50,560
you this evening the mayor's

636
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:52,440
recommendation. Should you confirm that,

637
00:21:50,560 --> 00:21:54,240
then we will begin in earnest. We've

638
00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:58,400
gone through We're in the

639
00:21:54,240 --> 00:22:00,480
uh finalization of our um selection

640
00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,720
process and finishing out our contract

641
00:22:00,480 --> 00:22:05,200
with our professional facilitator, so

642
00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:09,520
they will be on board. We will then go

643
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:11,520
into next month um starting our monthly

644
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:13,680
meetings with the advisory group. So,

645
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,760
that is currently calendar to be once a

646
00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:19,720
month from September 2026 through

647
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:22,120
September 2027, and we will have the

648
00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:24,040
balance of that work that is performed.

649
00:22:22,120 --> 00:22:25,640
At the conclusion of that work, we'll

650
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,040
have a final report that will be

651
00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,040
presented back to you all uh that can

652
00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,400
cover this and and probably other things

653
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:34,440
that come up. So, I just wanted you have

654
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,240
that context of the anticipated schedule

655
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:37,960
while you're going through your

656
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:40,360
deliberations.

657
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,840
» Thank you very much. Um so, just note I

658
00:22:40,360 --> 00:22:43,240
know this is listed as information and

659
00:22:41,840 --> 00:22:45,800
discussion, but really we are seeking

660
00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:49,120
direction from the council um

661
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:50,720
to Iris not regarding next next steps.

662
00:22:49,120 --> 00:22:52,720
Councilmember Anderson and then Huffman.

663
00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:55,800
» Thank you. Um I would like to keep going

664
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:59,360
forward with doing the survey. Um we

665
00:22:55,800 --> 00:23:01,520
already surveyed once the the landlords,

666
00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:04,520
and we left out the voice of potential

667
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:06,800
impacts and insight of the renters and I

668
00:23:04,520 --> 00:23:09,680
would like to continue that pathway with

669
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:12,280
the advisory group one this may actually

670
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:13,560
assist in informing and it could be a

671
00:23:12,280 --> 00:23:15,760
little chunk that they don't have to

672
00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:18,280
take on. I'm hoping the advisory group

673
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:21,000
will be looking at a lot of other things

674
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,840
and not just this one component.

675
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,240
Um

676
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,080
and I

677
00:23:23,240 --> 00:23:28,360
you know, we've communicated outwardly

678
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:30,240
that we're going to do the survey and I

679
00:23:28,360 --> 00:23:32,480
really feel like if we just pull it and

680
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:35,520
say we're going to put pause and we may

681
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,160
not fully ever focus on this one thing.

682
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,800
I I think it's

683
00:23:37,160 --> 00:23:40,560
um

684
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,520
for the the community that are renters

685
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:45,040
who want to be

686
00:23:42,520 --> 00:23:47,120
to kind of be heard specifically on

687
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,840
this. Um I'm just not comfortable

688
00:23:47,120 --> 00:23:52,880
pulling it um because I heard from a lot

689
00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:55,400
of people why weren't they included when

690
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:58,080
we surveyed the landlords and there's a

691
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,400
lot of disappointment in that. So um I'm

692
00:23:58,080 --> 00:24:01,880
just really would like to avoid the

693
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:04,600
conversation while we're positing it for

694
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:06,440
a year or maybe two um because we don't

695
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:09,080
know exactly what this work group's

696
00:24:06,440 --> 00:24:11,120
going to completely formulate. I think

697
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:16,320
for some of us who really paid attention

698
00:24:11,120 --> 00:24:18,720
to uh the the fiber advisory that did go

699
00:24:16,320 --> 00:24:20,560
longer and it took a while to really get

700
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:23,280
anything tangible through the

701
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:25,560
recommendations and they kind of they

702
00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,280
went in different directions than what

703
00:24:25,560 --> 00:24:30,520
we thought originally the scope would

704
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:32,400
be. So I'm hoping that the new advisory

705
00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:34,680
group might be a little organic and

706
00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,720
bring some insight that perhaps we're

707
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:39,120
not

708
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,120
right now. Um

709
00:24:40,360 --> 00:24:45,600
pinning them in. Um so anyway, I I think

710
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:48,200
we've gotten a lot of good direction

711
00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,480
going forward so far, some momentum and

712
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,640
I'd really hate to put pause one because

713
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,720
of the renters, how they're going to

714
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:55,440
feel about it and two, I think a missed

715
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,400
opportunity.

716
00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,920
Um

717
00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,360
I think we already missed an opportunity

718
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:03,760
once last year not asking for them to be

719
00:25:01,360 --> 00:25:05,400
surveyed, too. I'd just really hate to

720
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:06,800
have that happen again.

721
00:25:05,400 --> 00:25:08,360
» Council Member Huffman.

722
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:11,480
» Thank you. Uh agreed with Council Member

723
00:25:08,360 --> 00:25:13,560
Anderson. I think that I I think there's

724
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:15,760
probably a lot of value in these

725
00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,800
surveys, not just the one-time surveys,

726
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:20,400
but multiple surveys over years so that

727
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:23,320
we can see change over time. Um and how

728
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:25,600
the legislation affects

729
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:27,840
uh the outcome of these surveys both

730
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,760
with the landlords and the tenants. Uh

731
00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:31,920
and since we have already done the

732
00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:34,200
landlord survey, understandably because

733
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:36,120
it was a very opportune time to do it um

734
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,560
since we could link up with some other

735
00:25:36,120 --> 00:25:38,640
things that were happening at the time

736
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,120
in terms of communication with

737
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:41,080
landlords, but

738
00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:44,040
um

739
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:46,680
my recommendation uh opinion would be

740
00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:50,160
that that um moving on with the survey

741
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:51,160
right now would be appropriate and

742
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,040
um

743
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:57,240
who knows when the the the work group

744
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:59,960
will be at a point that putting a

745
00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:03,480
uh recommendations together for a survey

746
00:25:59,960 --> 00:26:04,480
advice would would be happening. And so,

747
00:26:03,480 --> 00:26:06,320
um

748
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,560
I would really like to see over the

749
00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:10,200
years how these the the results of these

750
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:13,240
surveys change or don't.

751
00:26:10,200 --> 00:26:16,800
Um I also note that we're you've

752
00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:20,080
provided options for uh digital outreach

753
00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,360
or outreach by mail. Um

754
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,200
And in looking over those, I would also

755
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:26,440
agree with the recommendation to stick

756
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:28,160
with with digital um these surveys as

757
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,560
well.

758
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,840
» Council Member Lilquist.

759
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:32,200
» Council Member Lilquist, I concur with

760
00:26:30,840 --> 00:26:34,040
everything Council Member Ruthanne just

761
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:35,440
said. Uh I I agree with Council Member

762
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:39,120
Anderson. I think we should go forward

763
00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:40,640
with this now um even if it it might be

764
00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:42,760
stronger and richer in the future, I

765
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:44,400
think we should go ahead soon. As

766
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,160
Council Member Huffman said, in the

767
00:26:44,400 --> 00:26:47,560
future we can repeat it and that that

768
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:49,680
repeat data will be even more

769
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,840
informative. And I agree that we should

770
00:26:49,680 --> 00:26:54,120
go ahead with the digital outreach. It's

771
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:56,080
just going to be faster, cheaper, more

772
00:26:54,120 --> 00:26:57,600
effective. It won't be perfect, but

773
00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,800
it'll good enough for our purposes to

774
00:26:57,600 --> 00:27:01,560
start, and I do want us to move ahead

775
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:04,000
more quickly with getting this feedback.

776
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:07,280
And in addition, I see this this survey

777
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:11,360
as one part of our engagement with on

778
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:13,440
these issues. The the you know, the

779
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,600
advisory work group is another piece.

780
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,280
So, this isn't the only thing we're

781
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:17,920
doing. And so, taking that together, I

782
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:20,560
feel comfortable with going ahead now

783
00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:23,320
and using the digital means.

784
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,320
» Councilman Williams.

785
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:27,640
» Well, I totally agree, too.

786
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:31,720
But, um

787
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:34,640
I also see this in a longer

788
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:37,200
range um

789
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:40,800
situation where

790
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:45,080
this is our first step forward.

791
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:46,480
But, if everything in at least to my way

792
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:50,160
of thinking,

793
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:52,760
if if everything works out, we have the

794
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:55,400
committee, we have the

795
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:56,800
the survey, and so on,

796
00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,280
that

797
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,040
this will somehow

798
00:27:59,280 --> 00:28:05,320
become a

799
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:09,120
systemic process that we would utilize

800
00:28:05,320 --> 00:28:12,280
somehow down the road periodically to

801
00:28:09,120 --> 00:28:13,840
get the data and the information we need

802
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,760
to make

803
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:19,880
um

804
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:24,320
relative good decisions in this world so

805
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:26,080
that it reflects the needs of everybody

806
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:28,760
involved in this.

807
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:32,720
Not just one side or not just the other

808
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:35,640
side. It's It's something that we

809
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:37,080
that I think needs to reflect the the

810
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:41,440
needs

811
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:44,880
of that whole entire community

812
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:48,040
as a whole. Not just one side versus the

813
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:50,640
other, and I think this is a first step.

814
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:53,480
And um um

815
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:55,840
and option option one I think is the

816
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,120
best one right now.

817
00:28:55,840 --> 00:29:00,160
But uh down the road, who knows? But

818
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,520
that could be something that a

819
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:04,320
commissioner or a committee could

820
00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:06,240
determine.

821
00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:09,960
So, um

822
00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:12,560
I agree with this first step

823
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,560
forward.

824
00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,600
» Any other council members before I go

825
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:18,480
back to Council member Anderson?

826
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:20,320
Seeing none, Council member Anderson.

827
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:22,720
» Thank you. I failed to mention I also

828
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:25,560
support electronic. Um I think it's

829
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:28,160
faster and less expensive, but also I'm

830
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,760
hoping that the survey might There might

831
00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:32,280
be some

832
00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:35,440
uh responses that we're going to want

833
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:38,040
more information on or better clarity,

834
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:40,440
and that could go to the work group as

835
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:44,080
they expand perhaps other areas that

836
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:47,680
they're looking at, that a follow-up um

837
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:50,800
engagement, whether it be that we fund a

838
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:52,800
mailer in order to spread it out. Um

839
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:56,040
but I'm hoping that we'll get some good

840
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:59,160
kernels, and either one another survey

841
00:29:56,040 --> 00:30:01,520
in the future to adding those uh areas

842
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:04,680
of clarification we'd like to another

843
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:07,320
future survey with additional content

844
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:08,160
developed by the working group would be

845
00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:10,160
um

846
00:30:08,160 --> 00:30:12,720
I think very beneficial, and perhaps

847
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:14,600
using a different um modality the next

848
00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:17,520
time in order to spread the net further

849
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,520
would make sense.

850
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:23,400
» Anything further from

851
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:26,360
council members?

852
00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,360
I guess under those

853
00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:30,360
Council member Cod.

854
00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:32,120
» Sure. Um um

855
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:34,040
Agreed. Um

856
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:37,320
my sense is

857
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:39,560
um as great as it would be to do like um

858
00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:41,800
a weighted, accurate, representative

859
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:44,560
survey, like this really isn't ask and

860
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:46,800
answer questions. It's mostly to

861
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:48,320
identify areas for further work and

862
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,440
stakeholdering.

863
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:52,200
Um

864
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,800
So, um I agree if it feels within staff

865
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:57,520
capacity and not too tight on the

866
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:59,320
budget, let's let's do it. Um

867
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,960
and I'm eager to

868
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,720
offer my two cents on

869
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:05,120
on questions. I'm sure we all have a a

870
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,120
few.

871
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,600
» So,

872
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,200
I think everyone has

873
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:15,200
mostly weighed

874
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:18,080
in at least those who weighed in were

875
00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:20,360
all in alignment of

876
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:21,480
having the council staff move forward

877
00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:24,440
with

878
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:27,360
the recommendation for option two,

879
00:31:24,440 --> 00:31:29,720
digital outreach. Um

880
00:31:27,360 --> 00:31:33,360
So, that being so, I guess I'll formally

881
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:35,840
move just so that we have that on the

882
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:38,320
Well, the recommendation says option

883
00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:41,360
one, which is the digital outreach.

884
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:43,640
Um So, I'll make a motion for council

885
00:31:41,360 --> 00:31:46,480
staff to move forward with option one, a

886
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:47,920
digital engagement strategy this fall.

887
00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:49,360
» Second.

888
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,640
» So, motion made by the chair and a

889
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:54,400
second by council member Anderson. Any

890
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:56,680
further discussion?

891
00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,040
Seeing none, all in favor will say aye.

892
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:58,080
» Aye.

893
00:31:57,040 --> 00:31:59,760
» Aye.

894
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,160
» Any opposed or abstentions?

895
00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:02,360
» Okay.

896
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:03,320
» Seeing none, that passes 7-0.

897
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:04,000
» Okay.

898
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,120
» Council member Cotton.

899
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,200
» Just briefly, thank you to Iris and

900
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,480
Julia and Council President Stone and

901
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:10,520
Planning Director Lion for their work on

902
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,280
this.

903
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:11,720
» Okay.

904
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,600
» Okay.

905
00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:14,600
» Thank you very much.

906
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:20,200
With that, the next agenda item is

907
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,760
agenda bill 25024.

908
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:24,920
This is a discussion of upcoming

909
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,600
procedural changes to council meetings.

910
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,640
So, Council President Hannah Stone will

911
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,680
review planned changes to council

912
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,640
meetings including adjustments to public

913
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,560
comment, standing announcements, and

914
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:36,800
language access.

915
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:38,840
So, for this item with my notes,

916
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,080
struggled to come up with a memo that

917
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:42,560
clearly

918
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:45,600
sort of walked that through. So, what

919
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,240
I'm proposing at this time, it is

920
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:49,120
information discussion only for the most

921
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:49,800
part, is to look through

922
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,640
um

923
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,200
sort of the agenda as you know it, and

924
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,080
to go over what the proposed changes

925
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,800
are.

926
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,080
At this time, in working with our office

927
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,880
manager,

928
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,680
um

929
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:03,920
Jackie Weller, as well as, you know, the

930
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:06,240
BTV team and others, and consultation

931
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:08,200
with legal, the proposal is to move

932
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:11,040
forward with changes at our next

933
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:14,440
meeting, um which would be the next

934
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:17,480
meeting, um being September 14th.

935
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:20,040
So, you would see a new agenda, you

936
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:21,920
know, cover pages in the next packet if

937
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,680
this were um

938
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:27,240
we're going forward. So, in thinking

939
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:28,840
about how to just looking at our typical

940
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,080
agenda and its publication, you know,

941
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:33,800
how to watch City Council meetings, one

942
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:35,800
of the proposed changes is to move

943
00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:38,800
right, public comment to the beginning

944
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:41,120
of Council meetings, um which would mean

945
00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:45,160
that public comment would be coming as a

946
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:48,080
part of the regular broadcast on, right,

947
00:33:45,160 --> 00:33:50,680
BTV, Comcast Channel 10, also on

948
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:53,000
YouTube. So, um there would be some

949
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:55,080
editing, right, to that language just to

950
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:56,800
clarify that there's not

951
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:59,560
sort of that separate separate channel

952
00:33:56,800 --> 00:34:03,720
as far as record record keeping as well.

953
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:05,680
Um in how to provide comment and engage

954
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,960
in that process,

955
00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:09,000
um

956
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:11,639
wanting to highlight that with the help

957
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:15,960
of David Braun, our communications um

958
00:34:11,639 --> 00:34:18,000
manager, looking at a new QR code

959
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:21,480
bring us into the 21st century, a QR

960
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:23,800
code as well as online registration form

961
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:26,399
that will be available, sort of similar

962
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,760
to our current practice, same day, um in

963
00:34:26,399 --> 00:34:31,560
addition to having an iPad here in

964
00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,679
person 30 minutes before. Um so, again,

965
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,399
it's just

966
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:37,879
having that electronic sign-up, which,

967
00:34:35,399 --> 00:34:39,840
one, will make legibility, hopefully, in

968
00:34:37,879 --> 00:34:43,280
reading of those names and preserving

969
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:46,240
that, um, record of sign-up a little bit

970
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:49,320
easier. Um, and also helping to

971
00:34:46,240 --> 00:34:52,120
facilitate the randomization of names,

972
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:53,200
right, and and calling of those names.

973
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,840
Um,

974
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:59,000
in addition to that,

975
00:34:55,840 --> 00:35:00,760
you know, input provided by

976
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,000
um, there are the ability for people to

977
00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:06,440
provide input. So, that will apply to

978
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:08,920
council public comment session as well

979
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:10,840
as public hearings. So, the proposal is

980
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,960
for public comment to be at the very

981
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,200
beginning, the first order of business

982
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:17,240
in the evening, cuz that would be before

983
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:19,880
public hearings. Just to allow that

984
00:35:17,240 --> 00:35:21,480
consistency where members of the public

985
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,720
know that public comment will be at

986
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,880
7:00, right, that that will be the first

987
00:35:23,720 --> 00:35:26,960
item of

988
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:29,480
of business, um, and provide some

989
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:32,440
consistency and reli- reliability in

990
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:34,040
that respect. Um, wanting to note that

991
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:37,040
one of the

992
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:39,840
changes as well with comment

993
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:41,560
is wanting to have a basket. So, there's

994
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:43,840
currently a sign in that little table

995
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:45,800
that's next to the clerk's desk. Um,

996
00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:49,120
having a formal basket where people can

997
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:52,400
provide, right, either written comments.

998
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:54,560
Ooh, I know Jackie's sign. Um, where

999
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:56,440
people can provide, right, hard copies

1000
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:58,080
of written comments, thinking about in

1001
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:59,520
the comment period with 2 minutes to

1002
00:35:58,080 --> 00:36:01,080
provide comment. If for some reason you

1003
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,840
weren't able to get through all of your

1004
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,480
written comments, being able to leave a

1005
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,960
hard copy that can be shared with

1006
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:08,880
council members. Also, sometimes people

1007
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,600
speaking either at a public hearing or

1008
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,080
at public comment have additional

1009
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:13,560
support documents that they're wanting

1010
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:15,560
to share with council members. So, just

1011
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:17,280
having a formal location where those

1012
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,880
documents can all be collected and then

1013
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:22,440
distributed to council members.

1014
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:26,040
Um, so, those are little

1015
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:29,400
nuances. Also, um, so, with that online

1016
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:31,000
registration through the form, they will

1017
00:36:29,400 --> 00:36:33,200
then receive, right, an automatic

1018
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,760
response and that auto response provides

1019
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:37,200
some additional guidelines and

1020
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:39,320
commentary about the changes and, right,

1021
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:42,040
how to sign up. Um

1022
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:44,640
as far as the speaking for 2 minutes and

1023
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:47,480
the randomization of of the speakers as

1024
00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:50,080
far as the order. In addition, David is

1025
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:51,360
working on a little orientation video

1026
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,400
just sort of for people who haven't

1027
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:55,440
provided public comment in council

1028
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:57,360
chambers before, like going through sign

1029
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:59,200
up and where you stand and where the

1030
00:36:57,360 --> 00:37:00,920
council is in the orientation of the

1031
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:03,680
room. So, just to try and make that a

1032
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,920
little less daunting. So, with that auto

1033
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:08,040
response having a link to that

1034
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:10,480
um that sort of orientation and welcome

1035
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:13,200
welcome video.

1036
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,080
Moving forward on the agenda, so

1037
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:17,040
announcements and upcoming meetings,

1038
00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,800
receive confirmation from legal that we

1039
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,200
do are not required to state that the

1040
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,760
Bellingham City Council meets all

1041
00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,800
requirements of the State of Washington

1042
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:25,960
Open Public Meetings Act.

1043
00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,600
Although that may be fun for the chair

1044
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:30,280
to to say every meeting, um we are

1045
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:32,160
complying, but that statement doesn't

1046
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,960
make that, you know, I guess reciting

1047
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:36,080
that statement doesn't make that truer

1048
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:38,720
or less true. Um it's all of the other

1049
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:42,200
pieces, right, that we we take on as a

1050
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:45,280
as a body um to ensure that compliance.

1051
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:46,200
So, for the announcements, moving to

1052
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:49,080
um

1053
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:52,400
strike that that section.

1054
00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:55,720
In addition, wanting to address the land

1055
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:57,760
acknowledgement. Um this has been

1056
00:37:55,720 --> 00:38:02,080
something that has come and gone from

1057
00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:04,680
our agenda, you know, over time.

1058
00:38:02,080 --> 00:38:06,800
Currently sitting as chair um for a

1059
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:09,880
couple of reasons, my recommendation is

1060
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:11,760
that um at this time that the land

1061
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:14,200
acknowledgement

1062
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:16,040
not be a formal part of our um the

1063
00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:19,120
opening of our meeting

1064
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:21,160
for a couple of um reasons. One, there

1065
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:23,400
has been

1066
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:26,240
um there was a city tribal relations and

1067
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:28,880
engagement special project report that a

1068
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:30,600
team from the mayor's office um, who was

1069
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:32,560
on special assignment had pulled

1070
00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:34,520
together. And that

1071
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:36,960
does speak specifically to development

1072
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:38,960
of land acknowledgements by and for the

1073
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,280
city of Bellingham.

1074
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,240
Acknowledging that the city of

1075
00:38:40,280 --> 00:38:45,880
Bellingham, working as a unified entity,

1076
00:38:43,240 --> 00:38:48,360
would benefit from developing a citywide

1077
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:50,120
right land acknowledgement.

1078
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,320
And that as part of that process of

1079
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,920
developing an organizational land

1080
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:56,440
acknowledgement, organizations are

1081
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:59,000
encouraged to ask themselves why they're

1082
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,160
beginning the initiative now and to what

1083
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,480
end.

1084
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:03,440
These questions are designed to

1085
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:06,480
encourage the organization to consider

1086
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:07,920
the true intent behind their initiative

1087
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:10,360
and whether they're ready to carry it

1088
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:12,960
through meaningfully.

1089
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:14,920
Um, and so some of the things that I

1090
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,320
have reflected on over the course of

1091
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:21,560
time is one, um,

1092
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:23,280
how the local tribes also acknowledge,

1093
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,760
that communication and that engagement

1094
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:27,480
with the city and really seeing the

1095
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:29,920
mayor as, you know, that point of

1096
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:31,800
contact for the city and really filling

1097
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,520
that role as a

1098
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:36,080
as a leader, um, from the city, you

1099
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:38,320
know, with the tribes. So, feeling like

1100
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,440
that work as far as the development of

1101
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:43,000
what are the words that are used in a

1102
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:45,040
land acknowledgement, um, and and really

1103
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,240
engaging in that work with the the local

1104
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:50,600
tribes would happen at

1105
00:39:47,240 --> 00:39:53,040
the mayoral or administrative level.

1106
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:54,960
Um,

1107
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:56,280
there's also been, uh,

1108
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,520
you know, at the beginning of the year

1109
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,760
thinking about the attempt to sort of

1110
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:01,280
share that responsibility of reading

1111
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,200
reading the land acknowledgement that we

1112
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:05,840
have in our packet, but without being

1113
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:08,440
able to point to sort of how those words

1114
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:11,440
were were chosen and the being able to

1115
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:13,400
point to the the work that we went into

1116
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,600
to to bring that land acknowledgement

1117
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:18,240
forward. Having that missing, it feels

1118
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:20,200
like reading the acknowledgement, um,

1119
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:22,880
you know feels a bit perfunctory or

1120
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:25,360
wrote at times and what I'm wanting is

1121
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:27,400
to make sure that

1122
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,760
those words if we are really you know if

1123
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,520
we're committed to reading those words

1124
00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,360
at every meeting that it's somehow tied

1125
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:34,920
to meaningful work that we as a council

1126
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:36,040
are are taking on and engaged in

1127
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,560
um

1128
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,960
and so at the beginning of the year as

1129
00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,080
part of our reorganization meeting

1130
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:44,360
you know I brought forward the idea of

1131
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:47,080
do we have a a council right role as a

1132
00:40:44,360 --> 00:40:48,600
liaison to the to the local tribes and

1133
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:50,160
at that point the discussion was really

1134
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:52,800
highlighting the fact that that role

1135
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:54,720
lives more with the mayor and in the

1136
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,240
administration's office

1137
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:58,600
um

1138
00:40:56,240 --> 00:41:01,480
and more recently there has been some

1139
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:03,760
you know pushback from members of

1140
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:05,320
those most impacted and most directly

1141
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:06,240
right members of

1142
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:09,040
um

1143
00:41:06,240 --> 00:41:10,560
the native tribes here locally really

1144
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,200
speaking to the fact that

1145
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,440
acknowledgements on some

1146
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:16,960
um

1147
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:18,120
level have have changed I think some

1148
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,000
over

1149
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:23,480
over time um

1150
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:26,800
and just wanting to make sure that

1151
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:29,360
that again it's tied to the work so that

1152
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:30,960
a a ritual of this kind really is you

1153
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:33,880
know recognizing

1154
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:36,280
um a disposition or a dispossession

1155
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:37,480
right of land but then coming in a form

1156
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:39,840
of sort of

1157
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:42,680
reassurance and that history is being

1158
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:45,120
named but then absorbed in some respects

1159
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:46,880
and just wanting to make sure that

1160
00:41:45,120 --> 00:41:49,360
again we're able to point to the

1161
00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:51,160
meaningful work that's that's tied to

1162
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:52,480
that um

1163
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:55,960
and so

1164
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:57,960
I'm not at this time looking to you know

1165
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:58,960
bring a formal

1166
00:41:57,960 --> 00:42:01,480
um

1167
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:02,800
motion before the council to to vote on

1168
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,920
that I'd

1169
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,480
personally sitting as chair right now

1170
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,840
I've done a lot of introspection on this

1171
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,360
and thinking about it and I'm prepared

1172
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,880
as

1173
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:14,920
as the chair at this time to make that

1174
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:16,760
that call. I feel like it's an awkward

1175
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:20,640
position to put the council in to sort

1176
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:23,200
of to vote um formally to support that.

1177
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,960
Um but I would open, you know, feedback

1178
00:42:23,200 --> 00:42:26,880
on on that piece. So, two controversial

1179
00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,560
things. One or at least up for, you

1180
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:30,760
know, discussion and and feedback um

1181
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,560
because they're the proposals that I'm

1182
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,000
bringing forward is that with respect to

1183
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:37,080
the land acknowledgement and the second

1184
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:39,800
is the language access um piece.

1185
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,680
And so, currently we have right, for a

1186
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:43,640
period of time have had standing

1187
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:45,320
interpretation in Spanish language

1188
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:48,160
during evening meetings.

1189
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:50,320
Um even as an immigration attorney and

1190
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:52,400
someone who speaks Spanish, I feel like

1191
00:42:50,320 --> 00:42:54,440
that effort um

1192
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:56,960
is sort of mis- misplaced in that we

1193
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,960
haven't done the outreach and engagement

1194
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,000
with the community to really make that

1195
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:04,000
investment of resources and the

1196
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:06,720
interpreter's time um beneficial to the

1197
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:08,840
broader community. Um bringing in or at

1198
00:43:06,720 --> 00:43:11,240
least those we're trying to serve.

1199
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:12,560
Bringing in the, you know, YouTube

1200
00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:16,280
piece. I know there's some question

1201
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:18,160
about AI. Um but obviously through

1202
00:43:16,280 --> 00:43:19,840
YouTube and those recordings that are

1203
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,080
then available not just for our evening

1204
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,840
meetings, but for the committee

1205
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,880
meetings, really when rich discussion

1206
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:28,040
and dialogue happens um and those votes

1207
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:30,160
take place initially, um you know,

1208
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:32,280
YouTube provides

1209
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:35,120
multiple languages, right, the ability

1210
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:37,120
for audio dubbing, right, voice over to

1211
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:40,400
all of those meetings as well as close

1212
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:43,320
close captioning and subtitles um in,

1213
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:45,120
you know, English as well as over 150

1214
00:43:43,320 --> 00:43:48,120
languages. And so, obviously there are

1215
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:51,120
some some errors happen um but I think

1216
00:43:48,120 --> 00:43:52,920
the overall advantage and benefit that

1217
00:43:51,120 --> 00:43:54,680
the community um

1218
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:57,040
receives from having that available is

1219
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:59,160
great. In addition, you know, the

1220
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:02,920
language access work that's happening at

1221
00:43:59,160 --> 00:44:05,160
the city where the COB um website,

1222
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:06,600
right, our website has printed materials

1223
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,520
and all of our

1224
00:44:06,600 --> 00:44:11,600
um web pages available in multiple

1225
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:14,000
languages, English and 42. So, you know,

1226
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,280
over 40 languages that are available

1227
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:17,920
for, again, accessing our website as

1228
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:20,800
well as printed materials through our

1229
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,320
meetings website. Um, so that reaches

1230
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,080
more than, right, only the

1231
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,120
Spanish-speaking community, but having

1232
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,520
that

1233
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:27,920
um, available.

1234
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:29,960
But, wanting to make sure that

1235
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,960
interpretation is still available to the

1236
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:35,720
community upon request in Spanish or in

1237
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:37,200
other languages or in ASL. And so,

1238
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:39,480
encouraging members of the community to

1239
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:41,440
reach out, ideally at least 48 hours in

1240
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:42,920
advance, but, you know, if that's not

1241
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,720
possible,

1242
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,640
we're making a commitment to do our best

1243
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:49,400
effort, right, to accommodate requests

1244
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:52,360
that come forward. But, looking at our

1245
00:44:49,400 --> 00:44:54,040
work plan, our communications work plan,

1246
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:55,520
my preference is is that we are

1247
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:58,400
investing the time and money in

1248
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:00,240
interpreters in those more personalized

1249
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,120
engagement opportunities, whether that

1250
00:45:00,240 --> 00:45:04,480
be the council's been invited to a

1251
00:45:02,120 --> 00:45:06,000
community event, right, for us to be

1252
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,480
present and making sure that there's

1253
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:10,600
interpretation available or us having

1254
00:45:08,480 --> 00:45:12,400
open office hours and making sure that

1255
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:14,040
there's interpretation available, right,

1256
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,360
through the language line contract that

1257
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,760
the city has in place currently for

1258
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,040
people to feel like this is an open

1259
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,480
space where, no matter what language you

1260
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:23,200
speak, you know, we're going to do our

1261
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:24,800
best to to engage just as we would with

1262
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:26,920
someone who speaks English as their

1263
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:29,240
first language. Um,

1264
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:31,560
and so, the the work that the

1265
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:33,880
interpreters have done is

1266
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:35,920
phenomenal, I think.

1267
00:45:33,880 --> 00:45:38,240
Trying to tackle government jargon and

1268
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:41,200
all of the acronyms and, you know,

1269
00:45:38,240 --> 00:45:44,640
citations as well as fast talkers and, I

1270
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:47,360
mean, that's a a heavy lift as well, but

1271
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:49,720
feeling like, again, that that time and

1272
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:51,160
money being spent at this time is not,

1273
00:45:49,720 --> 00:45:53,240
um,

1274
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,600
to the best benefit of us as a council

1275
00:45:53,240 --> 00:45:56,920
and us doing our work as well as the

1276
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:59,240
community members that we're trying to

1277
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:02,120
to serve. So, there would be language

1278
00:45:59,240 --> 00:46:03,120
changes to, again, the cover, um, page

1279
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:04,840
just

1280
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:08,120
expressing how you can make those

1281
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:10,760
requests for interpretation as needed

1282
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,680
and committing to our work you know

1283
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:15,720
through the work plan and David and

1284
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:17,680
communications to really lean into that

1285
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:19,360
outreach that would actually increase

1286
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:21,200
engagement

1287
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:22,840
from those members of the community. So

1288
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,360
that would shrink down obviously the

1289
00:46:22,840 --> 00:46:25,680
announcement section. I know that there

1290
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:27,120
will be some

1291
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:30,760
you know controversy and differing of

1292
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:33,040
opinions about making those changes. Um

1293
00:46:30,760 --> 00:46:34,640
but those are my proposals at this time

1294
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:36,920
with respect to announcements and

1295
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,160
upcoming meetings. So

1296
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,440
I'll pause there for some commentary but

1297
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,640
um Councilmember Cotton and then

1298
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,120
Lilquist.

1299
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:44,400
» Well thank you so much President Sampson

1300
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:48,040
for your leadership in bringing these

1301
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:49,720
forward. Um just a particular um

1302
00:46:48,040 --> 00:46:51,560
like meaningful change I think around

1303
00:46:49,720 --> 00:46:52,920
the language access. Like I remember we

1304
00:46:51,560 --> 00:46:55,480
had

1305
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:58,560
an audience member come to multiple

1306
00:46:55,480 --> 00:47:00,280
evening meetings where where the

1307
00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:02,120
Spanish speaker and I just thought oh

1308
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:04,480
this is so boring like and the real

1309
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,760
content is in the the afternoon

1310
00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,400
committees.

1311
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,440
And um

1312
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:10,520
and I don't think that was a

1313
00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:12,040
particularly like meaningful experience

1314
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,240
for that community member and so I yeah

1315
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,880
I think we can do better and I think

1316
00:47:13,240 --> 00:47:17,200
that is a good a good change.

1317
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:19,040
Um

1318
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,520
one thing I just wanted to Council I

1319
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,160
think Councilmember Lilquist mentioned

1320
00:47:20,520 --> 00:47:23,720
at a previous meeting was

1321
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:24,680
it's like it is nice to be able to go

1322
00:47:23,720 --> 00:47:26,320
and

1323
00:47:24,680 --> 00:47:28,840
grab people and have a conversation

1324
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:31,120
afterwards and so while I think great

1325
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,680
for people's bedtimes for us to be

1326
00:47:31,120 --> 00:47:36,560
starting with public comment um maybe

1327
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:38,800
finding a way to emphasize either on the

1328
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:41,920
you know the projector or on the screen

1329
00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:43,480
like unless you provide a way for us to

1330
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:46,200
follow up with you

1331
00:47:43,480 --> 00:47:48,720
um we we don't know how to follow up

1332
00:47:46,200 --> 00:47:50,160
with you. So um I think that could be

1333
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:52,480
something

1334
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:55,120
um that would be helpful to add in the

1335
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:56,480
mix um perhaps on the cover cover page

1336
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:59,240
as well. But thank you again I think

1337
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:01,480
these are really thoughtful updates and

1338
00:47:59,240 --> 00:48:03,800
um yeah, second second many of your

1339
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,800
comment.

1340
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:11,440
» Councilor Councilor Littlequist.

1341
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:13,520
» Uh thank you. I I I agree with um what

1342
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,320
OJ said. Thank you, uh President Stone,

1343
00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:16,800
for your leadership and thinking about

1344
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:19,240
these issues and kind of looking what

1345
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:21,240
we're doing. Uh I like J- Jay's

1346
00:48:19,240 --> 00:48:23,680
recommendation. I If we could just

1347
00:48:21,240 --> 00:48:25,640
remind people in writing if they want to

1348
00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:27,680
follow up to leave us contact

1349
00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:29,160
information in some way. I I would

1350
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:31,040
appreciate that. I've always appreciated

1351
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:32,800
the ability to to do that and follow up.

1352
00:48:31,040 --> 00:48:33,800
And that was new when public comments

1353
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,520
are at the end of the meeting and I

1354
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,760
could get up and I could I could

1355
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:40,160
immediately engage. Um on language

1356
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:42,720
accent, yeah, access. It It does seem

1357
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:45,840
like we're not actually providing

1358
00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:47,680
uh a service a useful service here in

1359
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,480
these meetings. It's an expensive

1360
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:50,680
service. But, I do appreciate your

1361
00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:53,080
suggestion, if I understand you

1362
00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:55,320
correctly, President Stone, of moving a

1363
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:57,680
language accent's information up to the

1364
00:48:55,320 --> 00:49:00,360
top of here. So, at every meeting people

1365
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:02,840
are told you can get interpretive

1366
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:04,480
services on request. So, we we create it

1367
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,600
as an on request and we make sure that

1368
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:08,320
it's it's easy to find the fact that

1369
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,520
that is available on request. That won't

1370
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:10,760
be missed.

1371
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,640
Um with regard to to land

1372
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:14,920
acknowledgement, I I do think there's a

1373
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:17,880
word about it being perfunctory or just

1374
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:19,480
words said. I find it personally better

1375
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:21,080
for me

1376
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:25,000
to do this work if I'm grounded in

1377
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:26,720
history and place and people. And a land

1378
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,840
acknowledgement does that, but cuz it's

1379
00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:30,760
an important part a deeper part of our

1380
00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:32,600
history and the place and the people who

1381
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:34,600
are in. But, we don't have to do it in

1382
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,360
acknowledgements. I think it's I think

1383
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,800
it's good if we are grounded in those

1384
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:41,360
things.

1385
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:42,240
Saying words that may may not um

1386
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:44,320
uh

1387
00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:46,280
kind of like actually draw our attention

1388
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:48,720
at the moment isn't necessarily

1389
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:50,360
grounding. So, I I believe in grounding,

1390
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:52,760
but I don't know if those words are

1391
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:54,440
grounded in in the way that we do it and

1392
00:49:52,760 --> 00:49:56,560
I I agree with what you said also

1393
00:49:54,440 --> 00:49:58,280
President Stone that early report

1394
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:01,720
indicated that from the tribal

1395
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:03,640
perspective uh the executive to tribal

1396
00:50:01,720 --> 00:50:06,160
relationship is the one that they deemed

1397
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,520
the more appropriate uh connection and I

1398
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:10,640
think we should honor and respect you

1399
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:12,600
know, how they would like to be uh

1400
00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:15,040
approached as in a government-government

1401
00:50:12,600 --> 00:50:18,240
way. So, um

1402
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:19,640
I I I I think I'm agreeing with uh that

1403
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:21,200
source of information that you were also

1404
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:22,720
looking at.

1405
00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,680
» Councilmember Hudson.

1406
00:50:22,720 --> 00:50:27,080
Uh first of all, I very much appreciate

1407
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:29,880
a leader that looks at even the small

1408
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:32,200
details of things we do and asks do we

1409
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:35,200
still need to do them that way?

1410
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:37,920
And so, I can I can see your stacks of

1411
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:39,560
notes here. You have taken a lot of time

1412
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:42,760
uh with these issues and I really

1413
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:44,920
appreciate that. Um I think that that

1414
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:47,280
these were things worth analyzing and

1415
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:50,840
evaluating and making sure that we are

1416
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:52,440
still doing things in the way that is um

1417
00:50:50,840 --> 00:50:54,840
best serving

1418
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,280
uh our our council, the city, and uh the

1419
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,080
general public.

1420
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,720
Um I think that one thing that has

1421
00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,400
bothered me about the uh interpretation

1422
00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:05,760
services is that we are only providing

1423
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:08,840
one language um and there are as you

1424
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:11,520
stated, potentially 150 that um

1425
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:13,560
can be accessed in other ways. So,

1426
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:15,680
technologies over the last couple of

1427
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:17,840
years have

1428
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:22,040
you know, exploded with possibilities

1429
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:25,520
and so, um that you you know, I would

1430
00:51:22,040 --> 00:51:26,680
would appreciate taking advantage of of

1431
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:29,160
that

1432
00:51:26,680 --> 00:51:31,440
uh availability in other ways so that

1433
00:51:29,160 --> 00:51:33,680
that more people uh potentially can

1434
00:51:31,440 --> 00:51:35,520
access interpretation services and that

1435
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:37,200
when we do provide um in-person

1436
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:39,080
interpretation services, it's

1437
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,240
potentially a lot more meaningful for

1438
00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:41,280
people. So,

1439
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:43,840
uh I appreciate the work that you've

1440
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:43,840
done on this.

1441
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:48,280
» Councilmember Hamel.

1442
00:51:45,720 --> 00:51:48,880
» Yeah, I I want to echo the um

1443
00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,520
that appreciation. [clears throat]

1444
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,920
There's a lot of work that has gone into

1445
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:53,560
this. Clearly, you've done your

1446
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:56,240
homework. And I think it's good for and

1447
00:51:53,560 --> 00:51:58,760
healthy for

1448
00:51:56,240 --> 00:52:00,160
a legislative body to re-examine how and

1449
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:02,440
why we do things periodically. I think

1450
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:05,120
that's that's better in service to the

1451
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:07,760
public. My question is

1452
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:09,600
the placement of public comment at the

1453
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:12,120
front of the meeting. With that, does

1454
00:52:09,600 --> 00:52:13,320
that get us into any compliance issue

1455
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,520
with any

1456
00:52:13,320 --> 00:52:18,240
um

1457
00:52:14,520 --> 00:52:18,240
rules from YouTube?

1458
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:23,160
» So, I followed up with

1459
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:25,600
legal and

1460
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:27,160
also, I know that our office manager had

1461
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:30,680
looked in that in correspondence with

1462
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:33,600
our BTV team as well. And at this time,

1463
00:52:30,680 --> 00:52:35,160
there's not concern about um

1464
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,680
about the

1465
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:38,440
I guess the concerns we had previously

1466
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:40,680
about, right, the the history that we

1467
00:52:38,440 --> 00:52:43,080
have archived on YouTube. I know that

1468
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:45,200
the city has also taken steps to archive

1469
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:46,240
that information in other places as

1470
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,280
well.

1471
00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:50,560
So, that's, you know, another change

1472
00:52:48,280 --> 00:52:52,760
that takes that into account.

1473
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:55,000
But, I have been considering, you know,

1474
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:57,000
in advance in the opening of public

1475
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:59,320
comment, just a

1476
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:01,600
disclaimer, right, statement that's sort

1477
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:03,720
of like with public comment, right, and

1478
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:05,120
public hearings that the comments from

1479
00:53:03,720 --> 00:53:06,840
members of the public coming forward,

1480
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:09,400
right, those aren't

1481
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,960
the the comments of the the council or,

1482
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:12,600
you know, the city. But, this is an

1483
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,920
opportunity to hear from from the

1484
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:17,760
public. And

1485
00:53:14,920 --> 00:53:19,920
YouTube has changed their

1486
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,320
the language that that they have that

1487
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,920
that speaks to sort of the medical

1488
00:53:21,320 --> 00:53:24,880
misinformation that was highlighted as a

1489
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,720
concern before and how they will

1490
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:28,840
administer sort of those warnings and

1491
00:53:26,720 --> 00:53:30,480
strikes. That's changed and sort of

1492
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:33,200
softened. Um

1493
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:35,480
I feel like considerably. So, I don't

1494
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,120
have concern about about that and

1495
00:53:35,480 --> 00:53:39,080
certainly that was the reason some of

1496
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:41,080
the reason why when I was sitting as

1497
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:43,360
president previously during during

1498
00:53:41,080 --> 00:53:45,600
COVID, why didn't make the move to

1499
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,560
temporarily suspend live comment during

1500
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:50,360
during meetings. So, I take that very

1501
00:53:47,560 --> 00:53:53,080
seriously, but I appreciate the the

1502
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:54,480
yeah, question for confirmation.

1503
00:53:53,080 --> 00:53:58,560
Councilmember Anderson.

1504
00:53:54,480 --> 00:54:01,720
» Thank you. I also echoing thank you for

1505
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:03,840
doing the work and I agree it's it's

1506
00:54:01,720 --> 00:54:05,320
always in good form to re-examine what

1507
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:08,080
we do and why we do it and make

1508
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:10,840
adjustments cuz times and situations

1509
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:14,880
change. I also was curious as

1510
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:16,800
Councilmember Hamel had asked as far as

1511
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:19,200
research and Google a little bit where

1512
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:23,200
YouTube was at. So,

1513
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:25,240
I'm glad we're going to not lose people

1514
00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:28,160
by having to switch channels in the

1515
00:54:25,240 --> 00:54:30,560
sense from one thing to the other cuz I

1516
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:33,600
I do hear from people who

1517
00:54:30,560 --> 00:54:36,760
they don't watch or listen

1518
00:54:33,600 --> 00:54:39,280
or participate with the public comment

1519
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:41,440
period because it was too difficult to

1520
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:44,360
navigate on their end especially for

1521
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:46,840
those who use cell phones to to watch.

1522
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:47,800
So, I'm glad that change will be made.

1523
00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,960
And

1524
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:53,640
assuming future I know some of the

1525
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:55,600
changes we're doing are under your helm,

1526
00:54:53,640 --> 00:54:58,120
but I would like

1527
00:54:55,600 --> 00:55:00,360
perhaps if we're going to change

1528
00:54:58,120 --> 00:55:02,360
where we do reintroduce the land

1529
00:55:00,360 --> 00:55:04,600
acknowledgment. One of the questions

1530
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:06,640
that I had brought up previously is that

1531
00:55:04,600 --> 00:55:10,200
we no longer do the pledge

1532
00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:13,160
to the flag and so I had quite a few

1533
00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:15,120
people well, a dozen who had checked in

1534
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,200
with me previously about why we

1535
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,720
discontinued that. Some of them

1536
00:55:17,200 --> 00:55:20,640
veterans, some thought it was a good

1537
00:55:18,720 --> 00:55:22,200
idea, others not.

1538
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,920
So, I think

1539
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:24,640
um

1540
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:27,080
it's always up to the council president

1541
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:29,920
how they want to conduct their meeting,

1542
00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:32,240
but if we're going to do an a major

1543
00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:34,640
change in the future where we either

1544
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:36,400
re-implement

1545
00:55:34,640 --> 00:55:38,680
either one, it would be good to have

1546
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:41,360
maybe consensus or discussion with

1547
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,440
council why the change is being made.

1548
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:46,800
So,

1549
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:48,600
um not suggesting that we uh

1550
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:50,600
override necessarily the council

1551
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:52,720
president's prerogative, but just for a

1552
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:54,480
future council presidents,

1553
00:55:52,720 --> 00:55:56,880
um if you're going to re-implement or

1554
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:59,240
reintroduce something, um much

1555
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:01,480
appreciative of having that discussion

1556
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:03,160
much like uh council member Stone has

1557
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:06,160
brought forward to us today their

1558
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:09,400
rationale of why uh they think the

1559
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,400
change would be needed.

1560
00:56:09,560 --> 00:56:12,280
» Councilman Williams.

1561
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,800
» Yeah.

1562
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,800
Um

1563
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:20,640
you have hit on a number of issues,

1564
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:24,240
um

1565
00:56:20,640 --> 00:56:29,720
but the one thing that I want to

1566
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:33,360
basically discuss is that whatever our

1567
00:56:29,720 --> 00:56:35,440
processes and protocols and these things

1568
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,400
are,

1569
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,080
um

1570
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:42,240
particularly things like the land

1571
00:56:39,080 --> 00:56:44,640
acknowledgement and things

1572
00:56:42,240 --> 00:56:48,480
of that nature,

1573
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:49,880
that they need to reflect our sincere

1574
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,280
belief

1575
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:54,520
in

1576
00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:57,440
what they are supposed to be about,

1577
00:56:54,520 --> 00:57:00,680
and that they should reflect

1578
00:56:57,440 --> 00:57:01,720
our organizational relationship

1579
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:04,840
with

1580
00:57:01,720 --> 00:57:06,760
that those parts of our community that

1581
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:08,400
we are supposed to be

1582
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:11,560
representing,

1583
00:57:08,400 --> 00:57:14,000
as opposed to we do it just to be going

1584
00:57:11,560 --> 00:57:15,680
through the motions.

1585
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,080
Um

1586
00:57:15,680 --> 00:57:18,720
to me,

1587
00:57:17,080 --> 00:57:20,400
that

1588
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,720
indicates

1589
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:24,560
that we we do it because we really

1590
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:26,200
believe in it,

1591
00:57:24,560 --> 00:57:29,240
and that we have a very good

1592
00:57:26,200 --> 00:57:31,080
relationship with these elements in our

1593
00:57:29,240 --> 00:57:34,680
community,

1594
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:37,280
and that it's sincere

1595
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:39,200
and reflects our views as an

1596
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,920
organization.

1597
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:44,840
And I think that is the strongest way we

1598
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:46,760
can go down that path.

1599
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,560
So, thank you

1600
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:52,480
as everyone else has thanked you, but

1601
00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:55,800
thank you for being so thoughtful

1602
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:56,840
about these things and uh

1603
00:57:55,800 --> 00:58:00,160
um

1604
00:57:56,840 --> 00:58:02,880
making these suggestions that will

1605
00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:06,240
in my mind, no matter how they come out,

1606
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:08,840
but but I mean in my mind will in

1607
00:58:06,240 --> 00:58:11,480
improve our relationships

1608
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,480
out there.

1609
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,040
» I appreciate it. Thank you.

1610
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,360
Um

1611
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:19,080
and I think to build off what you said,

1612
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,520
you know, there's there's been no

1613
00:58:19,080 --> 00:58:22,600
evidence that sort of land

1614
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:24,480
acknowledgements alone, right, produce

1615
00:58:22,600 --> 00:58:26,320
measurable change. I mean, that's not

1616
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:27,520
where the the change is happening. And

1617
00:58:26,320 --> 00:58:29,640
so,

1618
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:32,320
I know I have no doubt that this council

1619
00:58:29,640 --> 00:58:34,720
will stay, right, engaged um and

1620
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,560
continue to show up where it's important

1621
00:58:34,720 --> 00:58:38,120
for our, you know, presence and support

1622
00:58:36,560 --> 00:58:39,960
to to be.

1623
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:42,880
Um

1624
00:58:39,960 --> 00:58:44,960
there's one other

1625
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,320
item that's kind of small.

1626
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:49,120
Um

1627
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:50,840
but looking at council assignment

1628
00:58:49,120 --> 00:58:53,440
reports

1629
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:55,880
is a proposed change that that's going

1630
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:58,080
to be, you know, council member reports

1631
00:58:55,880 --> 00:59:00,360
that will include, right, your outside

1632
00:58:58,080 --> 00:59:02,960
assignments, but that will also

1633
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:04,840
sort of double as a a second old and new

1634
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:06,680
in the evening session because upon

1635
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:07,480
reflection, what I've recognized is that

1636
00:59:06,680 --> 00:59:09,680
our

1637
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,920
our evening meeting is an is a report

1638
00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:13,920
out from the day. And so, the old and

1639
00:59:11,920 --> 00:59:16,400
new business under the committee of the

1640
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:18,000
whole is technically a report out of the

1641
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:20,480
old and new business that was shared in

1642
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:24,160
the afternoon, but we've always treated

1643
00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:27,560
it just as sort of a new old and new.

1644
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,920
So, my plan is to change to give a brief

1645
00:59:27,560 --> 00:59:30,280
report out for members of the public who

1646
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:31,960
didn't weren't there in the afternoon

1647
00:59:30,280 --> 00:59:35,560
about what was shared during old and

1648
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:36,880
new. Um and instead then having at the

1649
00:59:35,560 --> 00:59:38,680
beginning of the meeting or closer to

1650
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:40,880
the beginning after the mayor's report,

1651
00:59:38,680 --> 00:59:42,800
that that council assignment reports

1652
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,720
will be council member right reports

1653
00:59:42,800 --> 00:59:47,440
that can include updates from your

1654
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:49,920
council member assignments as well as

1655
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:51,480
there are other items for old and new.

1656
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:54,720
So, it's a very

1657
00:59:51,480 --> 00:59:56,000
nuanced technical change, but I'm going

1658
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,040
to try to

1659
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:59,320
to recognize in order to keep members of

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00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:02,240
the public

1661
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,720
up to speed. Um

1662
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:07,520
Yeah, Councilmember Huffman.

1663
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:10,640
» Clarification. Um the council report

1664
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:13,560
section, will that be reports on items

1665
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:16,920
that don't have any action attached? And

1666
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:18,320
then uh old and new would be actionable

1667
01:00:16,920 --> 01:00:19,880
items, potentially votes for the

1668
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,200
council.

1669
01:00:19,880 --> 01:00:22,720
Um

1670
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:25,280
present

1671
01:00:22,720 --> 01:00:26,800
first reads of resolutions or ordinances

1672
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,400
that might be under consideration that

1673
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:30,520
council members are

1674
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,880
uh considering with Would you see that

1675
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,560
as being the difference between the

1676
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:35,600
council report section and the old and

1677
01:00:33,560 --> 01:00:38,360
new?

1678
01:00:35,600 --> 01:00:40,200
» Well, really I would include

1679
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:44,120
So, the main difference right now is

1680
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:46,120
just that in the agenda where it says

1681
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:47,760
committee of the whole

1682
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:51,520
and for instance, today old and new

1683
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:53,560
business is item number four.

1684
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:55,720
That in the evening

1685
01:00:53,560 --> 01:00:57,480
when we're reporting out when I would

1686
01:00:55,720 --> 01:00:59,600
report out for committee of the whole,

1687
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:01,320
item four would be a report out of old

1688
01:00:59,600 --> 01:01:02,880
and new

1689
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,560
that happened during the day. And so,

1690
01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:07,200
technically there's not

1691
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:10,240
it's not like a new old and new section

1692
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:14,480
in the evening. So, I was going to

1693
01:01:10,240 --> 01:01:16,600
sort of have that council member reports

1694
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,840
as an old and new, but I could follow up

1695
01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:20,760
with legal about whether if something

1696
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:23,320
has a vote, I mean, my understanding is

1697
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:25,760
we could still take votes at that

1698
01:01:23,320 --> 01:01:27,160
section in the meeting during council

1699
01:01:25,760 --> 01:01:28,520
member reports if you're saying that

1700
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:31,280
there would be a potential old and new

1701
01:01:28,520 --> 01:01:33,320
item that needs, right, a formal a

1702
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:35,640
formal vote. Because usually that would

1703
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:37,360
just be reflected in the

1704
01:01:35,640 --> 01:01:39,600
minutes and report. I mean, if there's

1705
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:42,440
not additional documentation that needs

1706
01:01:39,600 --> 01:01:44,360
to be attached,

1707
01:01:42,440 --> 01:01:46,160
right, to the

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01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:48,040
the meeting documentation. I guess one

1709
01:01:46,160 --> 01:01:50,520
concern is

1710
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:51,840
this council assignment report section.

1711
01:01:50,520 --> 01:01:53,400
That's not like a committee meeting in

1712
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:54,960
in OnBase. I don't know that you could

1713
01:01:53,400 --> 01:01:57,080
actually add,

1714
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,840
right, physical documents. Say if

1715
01:01:57,080 --> 01:02:00,320
someone came

1716
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:02,400
to the evening meeting and said, "Oh, I

1717
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:04,720
have this

1718
01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:07,800
item to share with council members and I

1719
01:02:04,720 --> 01:02:09,720
want it to be considered." Um so, that's

1720
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:10,720
a good point. So, we will reflect on

1721
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:13,040
that

1722
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:14,840
further for clarification about how the

1723
01:02:13,040 --> 01:02:17,280
old and new

1724
01:02:14,840 --> 01:02:20,560
if there's any constraints, I guess, if

1725
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:22,520
it's moved or if it's addressed there.

1726
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:24,600
Or if there's I don't think there's any

1727
01:02:22,520 --> 01:02:26,760
harm either in during the committee

1728
01:02:24,600 --> 01:02:28,280
report out. I mean, sometimes the

1729
01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:30,600
council members reporting out from their

1730
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:32,400
committee and another council member,

1731
01:02:30,600 --> 01:02:34,320
either from that committee or just on

1732
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:37,120
council, has additional commentary to

1733
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:38,800
add. So, I think we could still

1734
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:40,720
include um

1735
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:42,960
include old and new

1736
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:44,680
during the committee of the whole report

1737
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:46,160
out also.

1738
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:48,360
Okay.

1739
01:02:46,160 --> 01:02:50,400
I appreciate that note for me to

1740
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:52,680
consider further.

1741
01:02:50,400 --> 01:02:54,640
Other items or

1742
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:57,800
I'll walk through. Okay.

1743
01:02:54,640 --> 01:03:00,840
If not, there was one item for actual

1744
01:02:57,800 --> 01:03:02,360
consideration for a vote. And so, I had

1745
01:03:00,840 --> 01:03:04,600
emailed you over the weekend just

1746
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,880
looking at our council rules of

1747
01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:08,280
procedure.

1748
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:10,600
So, our council rules of procedure over

1749
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:12,400
time have been sometimes adopted by

1750
01:03:10,600 --> 01:03:13,880
formal resolution and sometimes there

1751
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:17,000
have been changes just brought forward

1752
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:19,000
and adopted by a vote of the council. I

1753
01:03:17,000 --> 01:03:21,960
confirmed with legal that

1754
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:24,680
we can do either. So, at this time I'm

1755
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:27,920
proposing that we wrote vote or consider

1756
01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:29,880
voting on the proposed amendments to the

1757
01:03:27,920 --> 01:03:33,120
public comment section

1758
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:35,400
to have that in place prior to

1759
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:38,160
implementing the changes so that we have

1760
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:40,400
our procedural rules reflecting those

1761
01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:42,720
proposed changes in advance.

1762
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:46,440
Um but we are internally in the office

1763
01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:49,160
working on a more comprehensive

1764
01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:50,880
not complete rewrite, but a refresh of

1765
01:03:49,160 --> 01:03:54,000
our rules of procedure that will come

1766
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:57,240
forward in the short term um for a more

1767
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:58,280
formal resolution adoption by the by the

1768
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,640
council.

1769
01:03:58,280 --> 01:04:05,000
Um so, in the rules of procedure section

1770
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:09,280
8, which was on page 4, and that um

1771
01:04:05,000 --> 01:04:09,280
Jackie has brought up on the overhead.

1772
01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:14,000
There was change to that section just to

1773
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:16,120
reflect the public comment period will

1774
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:18,160
be the first item of business on the

1775
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:20,640
agenda

1776
01:04:18,160 --> 01:04:23,560
unless otherwise determined by majority

1777
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:27,240
approval of the council.

1778
01:04:23,560 --> 01:04:27,240
And then

1779
01:04:27,320 --> 01:04:34,640
in the exhibit, which is exhibit A,

1780
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:36,200
on page 11,

1781
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:38,720
there are some additional changes. So,

1782
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:40,440
in section 3, just indicating that a

1783
01:04:38,720 --> 01:04:42,160
sign-up form

1784
01:04:40,440 --> 01:04:43,800
for speaking during the public comment

1785
01:04:42,160 --> 01:04:45,960
period and public hearings will be

1786
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:48,360
available online on the day of the

1787
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:50,880
meeting and on an electronic tablet

1788
01:04:48,360 --> 01:04:54,280
outside council chambers 30 minutes

1789
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:58,880
before the start of the meeting.

1790
01:04:54,280 --> 01:05:01,120
New section 5 reads, "Each speaker at a

1791
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:03,400
public comment period or public hearing

1792
01:05:01,120 --> 01:05:05,560
is allowed 2 minutes unless

1793
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:08,160
interpretation into English is needed,

1794
01:05:05,560 --> 01:05:10,560
in which case 4 minutes will be allotted

1795
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:12,400
or unless time is extended by the

1796
01:05:10,560 --> 01:05:13,960
presiding officer.

1797
01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:16,760
The public comment period will be

1798
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:19,640
limited to 30 minutes unless modified by

1799
01:05:16,760 --> 01:05:21,920
a majority vote of the council.

1800
01:05:19,640 --> 01:05:24,000
Then section six, speakers at public

1801
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:26,320
comment periods and public hearings will

1802
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,480
be called in a random order from the

1803
01:05:26,320 --> 01:05:30,760
sign-up list. At public hearings, the

1804
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:32,880
presiding officer shall ask for any

1805
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:35,160
additional speakers to identify

1806
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:37,280
themselves once those who signed up in

1807
01:05:35,160 --> 01:05:39,200
advance have spoken.

1808
01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:41,440
And just wanting to confirm, I know

1809
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:43,400
there's been some question at the end of

1810
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:44,640
public hearings that even after we've

1811
01:05:43,400 --> 01:05:46,440
called those who've signed up in

1812
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,920
advance, I always ask the audience if

1813
01:05:46,440 --> 01:05:49,120
there's anyone else who wishes to speak

1814
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,480
to the item.

1815
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,760
Um and sometimes I've gotten side

1816
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:53,920
glances from council members. So,

1817
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:56,200
wanting to be clear that there is a

1818
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:57,920
legal obligation. So, public hearings

1819
01:05:56,200 --> 01:05:59,360
are legally required and part of that

1820
01:05:57,920 --> 01:06:01,240
legal requirement is that anybody

1821
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:03,360
present who wishes to speak to that item

1822
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:05,720
is given the opportunity to do so.

1823
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:07,920
Um and we cannot require advance sign-up

1824
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:09,960
for public hearings. So, that is a an

1825
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:11,800
important distinction.

1826
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:14,160
Um

1827
01:06:11,800 --> 01:06:16,320
The next section, the new eight, says

1828
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:18,520
speakers may not use the general public

1829
01:06:16,320 --> 01:06:19,920
comment period to speak about any topic

1830
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:22,200
that will be addressed later in the

1831
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:24,160
meeting as part of a public hearing.

1832
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:26,640
So, again, just to keep those comments

1833
01:06:24,160 --> 01:06:28,120
separate um because the comment provided

1834
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:30,400
during a public comment period would

1835
01:06:28,120 --> 01:06:32,680
then not be sort of archived as part of

1836
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:34,400
that testimony collected um

1837
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,800
and maintained as part of the record for

1838
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:38,200
that hearing. So, wanting to make sure

1839
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:39,880
that those are kept separate.

1840
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:41,520
Section nine, all remarks should be

1841
01:06:39,880 --> 01:06:43,040
addressed to the council as a whole

1842
01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:45,400
rather than to individual council

1843
01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:47,400
members, the mayor, city staff, or the

1844
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:50,680
public.

1845
01:06:47,400 --> 01:06:52,760
And then in subsection 10 A, disorderly

1846
01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:54,800
speech or action, name-calling or

1847
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:57,760
personal attacks, obscene or indecent

1848
01:06:54,800 --> 01:06:59,520
remarks, profanity, derogatory comments

1849
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:01,480
on personalities, and racist,

1850
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,480
homophobic, or other forms of hate

1851
01:07:01,480 --> 01:07:04,560
speech.

1852
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,080
Again, highlighting that those are

1853
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:08,320
behaviors um

1854
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:10,920
that speakers shall refrain from

1855
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:11,800
including in their comments.

1856
01:07:10,920 --> 01:07:14,160
So,

1857
01:07:11,800 --> 01:07:17,040
these were just um

1858
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:18,640
sort of high-level changes to reflect

1859
01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:20,080
what would be implemented at the next

1860
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:21,880
meeting with respect to the comment

1861
01:07:20,080 --> 01:07:24,360
period being 30 minutes and the speaking

1862
01:07:21,880 --> 01:07:26,200
time at 2 minutes.

1863
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:28,360
So, I would entertain either a motion

1864
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:29,360
for adoption of those changes or comment

1865
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:31,560
on

1866
01:07:29,360 --> 01:07:32,360
other changes to make.

1867
01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:34,480
» I

1868
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:35,960
I would like to move that we adopt the

1869
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,520
recommended

1870
01:07:35,960 --> 01:07:39,320
changes.

1871
01:07:38,520 --> 01:07:40,880
» Second.

1872
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:44,440
» Motion by Council Member Williams and a

1873
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:44,440
second by Council Member Cotton.

1874
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,320
Any other

1875
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:50,040
Council Member Liliquist?

1876
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:52,440
» I appreciate these changes for the most

1877
01:07:50,040 --> 01:07:54,480
part. I I completely agree with them. I

1878
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:56,280
also am glad to see you looking at the

1879
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,360
rules procedure.

1880
01:07:56,280 --> 01:07:58,920
I have a fondness for the rules

1881
01:07:57,360 --> 01:08:00,240
procedure didn't exist until I was

1882
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:01,720
Council President and what I brought

1883
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:03,920
together a bunch of official,

1884
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:05,320
quasi-official, and unofficial documents

1885
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:07,120
to start this. I think it's a really

1886
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:08,680
good practice. It allows our Council

1887
01:08:07,120 --> 01:08:11,040
President and the Council to review what

1888
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:12,440
we're doing and update it.

1889
01:08:11,040 --> 01:08:13,920
So, thank you for that larger body of

1890
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,840
work. With regard to these public

1891
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:17,520
comment updates, the only thing I

1892
01:08:15,840 --> 01:08:20,560
disagree with is reducing it from 3

1893
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:23,000
minutes to 2. I'm going to be voting no

1894
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:24,720
on these changes, but please understand

1895
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,720
that everything else in here I think are

1896
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:29,400
really valuable improvements and I

1897
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:29,400
appreciate them.

1898
01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:34,759
» So, I just want to highlight that the

1899
01:08:32,920 --> 01:08:37,040
changes that are incorporated here are

1900
01:08:34,759 --> 01:08:39,080
aligned in our communications work plan,

1901
01:08:37,040 --> 01:08:40,640
which was adopted I think unanimously by

1902
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,040
the

1903
01:08:40,640 --> 01:08:43,160
Did you vote no at that time as well?

1904
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,480
Okay.

1905
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:46,480
Um

1906
01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:48,040
but that's where that

1907
01:08:46,480 --> 01:08:49,200
that lives as well as part of the

1908
01:08:48,040 --> 01:08:51,400
communications plan. Council Member

1909
01:08:49,200 --> 01:08:54,160
Anderson.

1910
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:56,520
» I'll be voting yes, mostly because we've

1911
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:59,520
already had the vote moving from 3

1912
01:08:56,520 --> 01:09:02,880
minutes to 2. So, it is part of our

1913
01:08:59,520 --> 01:09:05,319
policy, but um, I also agree with

1914
01:09:02,880 --> 01:09:08,240
Councilmember Liliquist on the original

1915
01:09:05,319 --> 01:09:11,279
vote. Um, I preferred that we remained

1916
01:09:08,240 --> 01:09:13,480
at the three minutes, but I also realize

1917
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:16,440
voting no at this point does not change

1918
01:09:13,480 --> 01:09:19,520
that because that's been a decided

1919
01:09:16,440 --> 01:09:22,160
um, decision by the majority of Council.

1920
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:24,600
But I have solidarity with Councilmember

1921
01:09:22,160 --> 01:09:26,440
Liliquist thoughts.

1922
01:09:24,600 --> 01:09:31,279
» Councilmember Hedman.

1923
01:09:26,440 --> 01:09:33,680
» We've had many um, different versions of

1924
01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:36,040
structure for for uh, public comment

1925
01:09:33,680 --> 01:09:37,839
over the years. They all have their

1926
01:09:36,040 --> 01:09:39,319
benefits and they all have their

1927
01:09:37,839 --> 01:09:40,400
drawbacks.

1928
01:09:39,319 --> 01:09:45,160
Um,

1929
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:46,279
we are not required to have verbal uh,

1930
01:09:45,160 --> 01:09:48,319
public

1931
01:09:46,279 --> 01:09:51,680
comment. Um,

1932
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:55,120
but we have many times discussed

1933
01:09:51,680 --> 01:09:57,080
uh, on this Council how it is beneficial

1934
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:59,000
um, to the Council.

1935
01:09:57,080 --> 01:10:00,160
And

1936
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and

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and so I'm I'm I don't think that this

1938
01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:09,600
structure is my ideal, but I um,

1939
01:10:07,480 --> 01:10:10,760
but I'm also not I don't have strong

1940
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feelings

1941
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about any of these points. I uh,

1942
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:19,280
as I said, every every version um,

1943
01:10:16,720 --> 01:10:21,160
of our structure has had flaws to it.

1944
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:23,680
They're um,

1945
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:25,520
so I'm I'm happy to to try this one.

1946
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It's very likely we will change it again

1947
01:10:25,520 --> 01:10:29,360
at some point in the future as as

1948
01:10:27,440 --> 01:10:31,760
conditions change um,

1949
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:34,160
in particular as interest in people

1950
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:36,040
speaking at public comment changes uh,

1951
01:10:34,160 --> 01:10:37,200
over time as it has.

1952
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So,

1953
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I'm willing to support this and let's

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see how it goes.

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» Any other comments? I guess speaking to

1956
01:10:44,440 --> 01:10:47,920
those points just wanting to highlight

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yes, Councilmember Liliquist leadership

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in 2017.

1959
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:55,320
Um, I know that so our rules of

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01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:57,800
procedure right live in the charter

1961
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I mean, by extension in that Article 3,

1962
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Section 3.02 of the charter just says

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city council shall determine its own

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rules and orders of business. And that's

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01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:08,760
the extent of the direction provided.

1966
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:10,720
Um, so, great appreciation, yes, for the

1967
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,560
work to formalize that through the the

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01:11:10,720 --> 01:11:14,680
rules of procedure.

1969
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:16,720
Um, and also to Council member Hudson's

1970
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:19,520
point that, you know, as a body we are

1971
01:11:16,720 --> 01:11:21,480
required to receive public comment, but

1972
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:23,520
that can be in written form, and

1973
01:11:21,480 --> 01:11:25,520
receiving written public comment is

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01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:28,120
sufficient to meet the um the legal

1975
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:29,480
requirements that we face, and so, um

1976
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:32,240
having [clears throat] that opportunity

1977
01:11:29,480 --> 01:11:34,880
for, you know, people to come and speak

1978
01:11:32,240 --> 01:11:36,240
live in person in chambers um is

1979
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:38,280
something that we are not required to

1980
01:11:36,240 --> 01:11:40,440
do, but that we have customarily done,

1981
01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:42,960
and as you mentioned, it has ebbed and

1982
01:11:40,440 --> 01:11:45,560
flowed and taken on different um

1983
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:47,080
different forms over over time. Um, so,

1984
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,720
that certainly

1985
01:11:47,080 --> 01:11:51,360
yes, is something that could could

1986
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:53,000
change again. Um, but for this

1987
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:54,440
consideration um

1988
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,080
of this particular motion, it's just to

1989
01:11:54,440 --> 01:11:59,080
put our rules of procedure as they're

1990
01:11:56,080 --> 01:12:00,280
currently written in alignment with um

1991
01:11:59,080 --> 01:12:01,760
with the communications plan and the

1992
01:12:00,280 --> 01:12:04,280
proposed changes that again would take

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01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:05,560
effect at our next next meeting.

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So, we [snorts] currently have a motion

1995
01:12:05,560 --> 01:12:09,080
from Council member Williams, and a

1996
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:10,720
second by Council member Cotton to

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01:12:09,080 --> 01:12:12,800
approve the changes. Any further

1998
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:14,760
discussion?

1999
01:12:12,800 --> 01:12:15,600
Seeing none, all in favor will say I.

2000
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» I.

2001
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» Those opposed?

2002
01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:19,840
» No.

2003
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:22,600
» Any abstentions? Okay, so that passes

2004
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6-1.

2005
01:12:24,440 --> 01:12:27,120
Okay.

2006
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:32,920
Great.

2007
01:12:30,600 --> 01:12:35,320
Well, thank you for

2008
01:12:32,920 --> 01:12:37,360
your patience with that, and at the next

2009
01:12:35,320 --> 01:12:39,280
meeting there will be lots of roll out

2010
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,720
of changes, which

2011
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:42,640
um

2012
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:44,320
there will be some bumps along the way.

2013
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:45,680
Um, we're going to hopefully provide

2014
01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,880
some grace to members of the public as

2015
01:12:45,680 --> 01:12:50,720
well as ourselves as we implement those

2016
01:12:47,880 --> 01:12:52,880
those changes going forward. Um

2017
01:12:50,720 --> 01:12:55,400
So, with that,

2018
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:57,920
that is the end of Committee of the

2019
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:59,240
Whole, um aside from old and new

2020
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:02,280
business.

2021
01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,280
Any items for old and new?

2022
01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,720
Director Lion.

2023
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:15,440
» Thank you for the opportunity to come

2024
01:13:12,400 --> 01:13:19,440
back. After last meeting, we had a brief

2025
01:13:15,440 --> 01:13:21,280
conversation about the um 120-day

2026
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:22,920
notice, and I indicated that I would

2027
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:24,120
provide a response back to Council

2028
01:13:22,920 --> 01:13:26,600
Member Cotton and Council Member

2029
01:13:24,120 --> 01:13:28,840
Liliquist. So, after we've taken the

2030
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:30,640
opportunity to do a little bit more

2031
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:33,280
research and analysis, one of the things

2032
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:37,200
that I wanted to be clear about is that

2033
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:39,040
the proposed ordinance requires us to um

2034
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:42,080
continue with the practice of having the

2035
01:13:39,040 --> 01:13:44,280
120-day notification for the tenant. So,

2036
01:13:42,080 --> 01:13:46,160
the landlord is required to give that.

2037
01:13:44,280 --> 01:13:47,720
That is above and beyond what the state

2038
01:13:46,160 --> 01:13:50,200
requirement is for the 90-day

2039
01:13:47,720 --> 01:13:53,040
notification. So, that is separate and

2040
01:13:50,200 --> 01:13:56,160
intentional for that particular piece.

2041
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:58,280
The additional discussion came um

2042
01:13:56,160 --> 01:14:00,600
after with regard to the difference

2043
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:02,000
between a 20-day and a 60-day

2044
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:04,120
notification requirement. And what I

2045
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:06,040
want to say on that is that under the

2046
01:14:04,120 --> 01:14:06,920
RLTA, the Residential Landlord Tenant

2047
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,800
Act,

2048
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:10,680
the tenant is required to give 20 days

2049
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:12,640
notice if they don't intend to continue

2050
01:14:10,680 --> 01:14:13,920
with the tenancy.

2051
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:16,560
And we stop there.

2052
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:17,160
As we've researched through

2053
01:14:16,560 --> 01:14:19,960
uh

2054
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:22,200
the RLTA, there is a wide range of

2055
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:24,880
different notification requirements when

2056
01:14:22,200 --> 01:14:27,840
it comes to the ending of tenancies

2057
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:30,120
across the board, and I don't want to

2058
01:14:27,840 --> 01:14:32,160
uh be accused of giving legal advice or

2059
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:33,320
providing it, but there's a a variety of

2060
01:14:32,160 --> 01:14:35,680
different

2061
01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:37,360
reasons. It could be for subsidized

2062
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:39,760
units, it could be for being a member of

2063
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:42,360
armed forces, and so on and so forth.

2064
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:44,880
And so, what I would say uh in response

2065
01:14:42,360 --> 01:14:48,240
to your previous conversation is

2066
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:51,800
as written, this ordinance provides

2067
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:53,640
clarity for the 20-day notification

2068
01:14:51,800 --> 01:14:55,120
once they've been given

2069
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:57,920
if they want to

2070
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:59,440
terminate tenancy. But beyond that, if

2071
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:02,240
you're talking about other, I would

2072
01:14:59,440 --> 01:15:04,920
defer to them to get legal advice cuz

2073
01:15:02,240 --> 01:15:07,400
there's so many different iterations for

2074
01:15:04,920 --> 01:15:10,200
that. Um

2075
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:12,400
Also, in the draft ordinance as it's

2076
01:15:10,200 --> 01:15:14,520
written, there's we've received a couple

2077
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:16,480
different emails, several of you who

2078
01:15:14,520 --> 01:15:17,600
have responded back to the staff about

2079
01:15:16,480 --> 01:15:19,840
those.

2080
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:21,160
There's items, I believe it's A through

2081
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:24,120
F

2082
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:26,200
in in provision, you know, I'm going to

2083
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:30,400
go off of memory, but I believe it's 6

2084
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:32,800
12 020 and it's A through F and those

2085
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:34,360
are just references back to the RLTA.

2086
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:37,120
So, there's folks that have gotten a

2087
01:15:34,360 --> 01:15:39,280
little bit concerned about what is

2088
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:42,480
written in there and really it is just

2089
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:44,000
us trying to give the tenants and those

2090
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:45,840
that might be reading our ordinance

2091
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:48,200
understanding of that. So, our

2092
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:51,080
recommendation remains the same that we

2093
01:15:48,200 --> 01:15:53,640
continue with the 120-day notice

2094
01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:56,240
and the tenant has the ability to

2095
01:15:53,640 --> 01:15:58,880
utilize that time frame and must provide

2096
01:15:56,240 --> 01:16:00,600
indication within 20 days of the tenancy

2097
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:02,760
whether they're going to accept that

2098
01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:04,640
increase or whether they're going to

2099
01:16:02,760 --> 01:16:07,480
terminate the tenancy.

2100
01:16:04,640 --> 01:16:08,680
Which is consistent with the position

2101
01:16:07,480 --> 01:16:12,560
Council member Leilani that you had

2102
01:16:08,680 --> 01:16:12,560
articulated at your last meeting.

2103
01:16:13,120 --> 01:16:15,840
» Response from Council, Council member

2104
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,720
Cotton.

2105
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,920
» Thanks for this follow-up.

2106
01:16:17,720 --> 01:16:21,440
I

2107
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:23,160
am still confused by a lot of the RLTA

2108
01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:25,960
as as many are,

2109
01:16:23,160 --> 01:16:27,280
but I did hear back from at least um

2110
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,880
one

2111
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:30,840
person who professionally represents

2112
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:32,600
landlords and they did not share share

2113
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:33,680
my concern and so

2114
01:16:32,600 --> 01:16:34,440
that's

2115
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:35,520
um

2116
01:16:34,440 --> 01:16:39,000
a data point that makes me a little bit

2117
01:16:35,520 --> 01:16:40,600
more comfortable. Um and

2118
01:16:39,000 --> 01:16:41,280
yeah, I think

2119
01:16:40,600 --> 01:16:44,520
I

2120
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:46,160
efforts to yeah, streamline. So,

2121
01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:48,280
I don't know. Councilmember has any

2122
01:16:46,160 --> 01:16:50,960
other thoughts, but um thanks for the

2123
01:16:48,280 --> 01:16:50,960
the follow-up.

2124
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,320
» Thank you.

2125
01:16:55,320 --> 01:16:58,960
Any other items for old and new from

2126
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,760
council? Okay.

2127
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:03,800
Seeing none, we do have executive

2128
01:17:00,760 --> 01:17:05,760
session this afternoon.

2129
01:17:03,800 --> 01:17:07,600
There are a few items before us. The

2130
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:09,680
first is a potential property

2131
01:17:07,600 --> 01:17:11,720
acquisition. This is with Rosenblatt for

2132
01:17:09,680 --> 01:17:13,280
approximately 3 minutes.

2133
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:15,040
The second is a potential property

2134
01:17:13,280 --> 01:17:17,200
acquisition, also with Rosenblatt for

2135
01:17:15,040 --> 01:17:19,440
approximately 3 minutes.

2136
01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:21,920
Third is a litigation matter, Oldham

2137
01:17:19,440 --> 01:17:24,520
versus City of Bellingham et al., with

2138
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:26,200
Phillips for approximately 5 minutes.

2139
01:17:24,520 --> 01:17:28,400
And then potential litigation matter

2140
01:17:26,200 --> 01:17:31,440
with Chaplin and Kram for approximately

2141
01:17:28,400 --> 01:17:31,440
10 minutes.

2142
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,920
So, we will say 20 minutes we will take

2143
01:17:34,000 --> 01:17:38,320
a brief break before we

2144
01:17:35,920 --> 01:17:40,200
convene. So,

2145
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:44,480
we can meet in the

2146
01:17:40,200 --> 01:17:47,720
boardroom in 5 minutes, so at 4:15. And

2147
01:17:44,480 --> 01:17:53,440
then 25

2148
01:17:47,720 --> 01:17:53,440
So, 15 5 25. Be back at quarter till.