1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,280 We would like to recognize Emma Snow who has not arrived. 2 00:00:05,894 --> 00:00:10,720 » [laughter] >> But, we will recognize her anyways and 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:13,160 make sure she gets all this stuff and hopefully when she 4 00:00:11,600 --> 00:00:16,040 » Do you want me to read some stuff first and wait a bit? 5 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:19,280 Should we wait? >> Yeah, yeah, let's just Let's do that. 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:23,680 » Yeah, sit down. And I'll I'll just read all my boring stuff. 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:26,600 You give me like the look when All right, as indicated on the screen, a 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:30,600 required public hearing will be held for certain agenda items prior to council 9 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:33,640 action. After each such item has been presented, time to comment will be 10 00:00:32,119 --> 00:00:37,120 provided for all those who wish to speak. For items that do not require 11 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:40,320 public hearing, public comment will still be taken following presentation of 12 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:43,840 the items, but will be limited to 10 minutes. 13 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,400 At this time, up to 50 minutes have been set aside for an open public comment 14 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:49,680 period which is intended to allow comments on matters that do not appear 15 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,920 on the agenda, but are limited to topics regarding municipal business or within 16 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:56,400 municipal council purview. Persons who speak during this time to an 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:59,360 item that is on the agenda will not normally be afforded a second 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:03,680 opportunity to speak during the comment period period specific to that item. 19 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:06,960 During any public comment period, each speaker will generally be limited to 2 20 00:01:05,160 --> 00:01:10,480 minutes. Due to noticing requirements, no formal action will be taken in this 21 00:01:08,800 --> 00:01:14,280 meeting on matters that do not appear on the agenda. 22 00:01:12,400 --> 00:01:17,880 Now, we here yet? Okay, we're 23 00:01:16,920 --> 00:01:22,040 Okay, we're going to do public comment first then. Great. All right, so anyone 24 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:24,640 who wants to do public comment is welcome to come up. If you want to If 25 00:01:23,520 --> 00:01:29,600 you're on Zoom, use the raise hand feature. And um we'll go between online 26 00:01:27,840 --> 00:01:33,400 and in-person comments, but come up now if you are ready have any public comment 27 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:36,160 and you need your name and your city of residence. 28 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:47,320 » My name is William Paul. I am a resident of the city of Provo. 29 00:01:44,840 --> 00:01:52,520 I'm here with a concern about the flock cameras that are pleth 30 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:57,600 uh proliferating across the city. In the recent Chathri versus United 31 00:01:55,280 --> 00:02:01,720 States Supreme Court decision 2 months ago. 32 00:01:58,720 --> 00:02:06,160 This was ruled highly illegal. Because we have a reasonable expectation 33 00:02:04,560 --> 00:02:10,840 in our privacy. Now, if I were to do that and start 34 00:02:09,360 --> 00:02:13,959 following one of you around with a camera, I would be charged with the 35 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:24,880 crime. Berkshire Drive, Lakewood Drive, 1060 36 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:30,760 East, 2100 West, 3950 North, 1150 East. These cameras are used not only by 37 00:02:28,160 --> 00:02:36,040 our officers to solve crimes, but to commit crimes. We have people with that 38 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:44,200 are victims of domestic violence, stalking, public public public protected 39 00:02:39,640 --> 00:02:49,560 parties, public citizens, US senators that are all being followed by these 40 00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:54,680 promises by these cameras. The city cannot track them. 41 00:02:52,640 --> 00:02:59,519 But we have officers who do not understand the very basics of the First 42 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:03,280 Amendment. But that's of little surprise. 43 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:09,840 Our officers do not understand free speech, nor do our school officials. 44 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:13,320 They openly retaliate against it. Yes, I name names. 45 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:18,239 And that shouldn't surprise us because we started this meeting with a prayer, 46 00:03:15,760 --> 00:03:21,320 which is also blatantly unconstitutional. 47 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:26,600 Thank you. >> Thank you. 48 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,600 Anyone else want to give public comment? 49 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:35,560 We just need your name and your city of residence. 50 00:03:33,959 --> 00:03:40,000 That's great. >> Um My name is Emma Sorenson, residence 51 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:44,480 in Provo. Um I know you guys met a couple weeks ago 52 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:49,200 about updating parks and sidewalks with like certain ADA 53 00:03:46,360 --> 00:03:52,840 um updates. And I was just wondering if and how 54 00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:57,760 there would be input from people with disabilities on those things before they 55 00:03:55,240 --> 00:04:02,120 happen. Cuz sometimes those kind of updates are things where 56 00:04:00,680 --> 00:04:05,600 able-bodied people just don't really know that they don't know certain 57 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:10,800 things. And I know there are certain ADA standards and guidelines, but even 58 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:14,600 sometimes those things are left open to interpretation or there's 59 00:04:12,959 --> 00:04:19,359 like windows and you could go somewhere in that thing. So, I was just wondering 60 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:24,120 and if you guys have any say in that, if that's something you guys could put in 61 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:26,640 place before those steps happen. Um yeah, I think that's basically 62 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:29,480 » Okay. Thank you. Mayor, who should we connect her with? 63 00:04:30,280 --> 00:04:36,600 Me. All right. Thanks, Emma. So, go to staff and 64 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:41,280 they'll get Oh, you already have her contact info. Okay. She knows you. She's 65 00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:47,120 going to contact you. Thank you. 66 00:04:43,560 --> 00:04:47,120 All right, any other public comment? 67 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:55,120 All right, we are going to now hear from Carla. 68 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:59,240 » This is employee of the month. >> It is. And Emma, I'm going to make you 69 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:02,668 come up here. She already hates me for this whole thing. 70 00:05:00,648 --> 00:05:02,668 » [laughter] 71 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:14,880 » It is our pleasure to recognize Emma Snow as our employee of the month. Emma 72 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:18,400 is the library's day porter. She plays an essential and essential role in 73 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:22,320 keeping our building clean, welcoming, and running smoothly during our busiest 74 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:25,760 hours. She consistently delivers high-quality work, takes ownership of 75 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:29,160 her responsibilities, and can always be counted on to follow through. She 76 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:31,840 doesn't simply wait to be asked. She sees what needs to be done, and she does 77 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:34,919 it. What truly sets her apart is the pride 78 00:05:33,480 --> 00:05:38,280 she takes in her work and the service she provides to everyone who comes 79 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:42,240 through our building. She regularly get goes above and beyond helping us create 80 00:05:40,280 --> 00:05:46,280 a welcoming place for our staff and visitors to spend time. Daily, she makes 81 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:50,000 a meaningful contribution to the library and the city. We are a better place 82 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:53,200 because she is part of our team and we are truly privileged to work alongside 83 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:56,160 her. Congratulations on this well-deserved recognition. 84 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:07,960 We take pictures. Want to get picture with your team, Carla? And we'll all 85 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:07,960 stand up behind. 86 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:50,800 Thank you. Congratulations. 87 00:06:55,520 --> 00:07:00,640 All right, we only have one other item of business today, an ordinance 88 00:06:59,040 --> 00:07:03,240 regarding outdoor lighting standards. This will be presented by Britain 89 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,720 Johnson and he's our council intern right now. 90 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:16,960 » Okay, good evening, counselors. Um yeah, this feels like my debut. I'm 91 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:21,680 excited to go over this item. Um so, uh today we're going to go over 92 00:07:19,280 --> 00:07:24,160 some dark sky updates to the city's outdoor lighting code. 93 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:27,680 Um and 94 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:31,640 uh some of the principles that were used to 95 00:07:29,400 --> 00:07:36,400 uh make some of these updates uh is from this document that um is co-published 96 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:40,560 with the Illuminating Engineering Society and Dark Sky International that 97 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:44,880 um have put on these five principles for responsible outdoor lighting. 98 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:49,120 And to condense this even further, it's basically about using the right 99 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:53,960 kind of light and and controlling it to be only where we want to see it, um 100 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:58,480 which is not in the sky. And the aim with some of these policy changes 101 00:07:56,000 --> 00:08:01,440 or proposals, I should say, um is to reduce atmospheric light pollution in 102 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:07,600 our city. So, the first significant proposed 103 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:11,680 change to our code is to require um a cap on correlated color temperature, 104 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:17,640 which is how warm or how cool light looks visually. Um this will only apply 105 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:23,040 to new developments and any replacements or remodels. So, no existing uh 106 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:27,320 properties or light fixtures. Um and the cap, except for a few exceptions, is 107 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:32,039 3,000 K or less, which is that neutral white there or warmer. 108 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,760 Um and those longer wavelengths um 109 00:08:32,719 --> 00:08:39,320 with the warmer lights um contribute less to atmospheric light pollution. 110 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:43,320 Secondly, is requiring full shielding for all fixtures, and the same applies. 111 00:08:41,680 --> 00:08:48,360 Um this will not be retroactive. This will only be for new developments, 112 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:52,800 remodels, and full fixture replacements, which I'll clarify even further later. 113 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:58,000 So, fully shielded fixtures imply that the light is fully recessed in the 114 00:08:54,720 --> 00:09:01,839 fixture, is directed downward, and that none of the light escapes that's called 115 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:07,120 the 90° plane. Um if you look in the cutoff part of this graphic, um that's 116 00:09:05,040 --> 00:09:11,160 kind of the 90° is where the light is. We don't want anything 117 00:09:08,920 --> 00:09:17,040 um going above that into the night sky. Um and then lastly is a small change to 118 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:21,520 our um off-premises electronic display sign code to put it more uh 119 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:27,520 or to align it better with our on-premises electronic display sign code 120 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:32,240 in title six of Provo City code. Um and that caps the uh number of nits, which 121 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:38,120 measures the surface brightness of a sign, to 300 during nighttime hours um 122 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:42,360 and 5,000 during daylight hours. Um, 123 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:46,760 another question that was, um, that was asked during our our work 124 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:51,360 meeting discussions on this topic was how this would affect current residences 125 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:55,320 and residential outdoor lighting. And, um, in number six here on the screenshot 126 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:59,680 it says any existing outdoor lighting fixture attached to a structure on a 127 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:03,200 residential property as of today's date is exempt from this change. So, that 128 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:09,160 means if a light bulb needs to be replaced and it's super blue light, um, 129 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,600 you could replace it with a blue light that doesn't meet the the color 130 00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:16,240 temperature standards that we're proposing. However, if the entire 131 00:10:13,840 --> 00:10:21,920 fixture needs to be replaced, then this exemption no longer applies. 132 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:25,040 Um, as I mentioned, this will only apply to, um, 133 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:28,400 to new lights going forward. Um, and exemptions are made for holiday 134 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,760 lights, uh, the airport, construction lighting, 135 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:35,040 temporary event lighting, and outdoor sports lighting as it says there. 136 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:40,440 Um, Kevin, if you could go to the ordinance. Um, there was requested, um, 137 00:10:38,600 --> 00:10:45,760 during the, uh, work meeting discussion today about 138 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:49,240 holiday lighting. I wanted to, um, show that. It's in the exemption 139 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:54,440 section. It's number one below 15.21.04. 140 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:57,760 And it says, um, holiday lighting that does not create dangerous glare on 141 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:02,000 adjacent streets or property is considered exempt. And all holiday 142 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:05,120 lighting, um, now has a curfew and must be turned off by 10:00 p.m. nightly. 143 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:09,120 Okay? Um, and then other than that, if you 144 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:13,720 could go back to the presentation, please. 145 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:18,200 Um, I wanted to show what some of the practical impacts of a 146 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:23,000 change like this could look like. Um, this is in Moab, Utah. Um, they 147 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:26,560 implemented a dark sky policy for their lighting. And before that policy was 148 00:11:24,839 --> 00:11:31,960 introduced, you can see the lights appear very, or the streets, excuse me, 149 00:11:29,160 --> 00:11:35,880 appear very dim, but the the night sky is pretty visible. Um however, when that 150 00:11:34,360 --> 00:11:39,120 same light that was used before is directed downward where it's supposed to 151 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:45,000 go in the after photo, you can see how much more well-illuminated the streets 152 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:49,760 are, um reducing glare on drivers and um giving a perception of safety um that 153 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:55,040 our our residents deserve. And on top of that, the the night sky is much darker. 154 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:58,760 Um and so, on the right on this slide shows what is um 155 00:11:57,160 --> 00:12:03,360 a spec similar to what's being installed by the city now on the left as of about 156 00:12:01,200 --> 00:12:08,400 2 years ago um that would meet these these dark sky compliant standards um 157 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:12,000 versus one on the right which are um some of our older fixtures that don't 158 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:16,000 accomplish that saving. And uh with that, uh that's all I have 159 00:12:14,400 --> 00:12:19,280 to share. >> Thank you, Britain. 160 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:24,080 All right, we'll open this item up for public comment. Anyone have a question 161 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:26,800 for Britain before we do that? Councilor Garrett. 162 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:30,760 » Just a comment, Britain, on those two photos from Moab. I think you made the 163 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:34,080 point earlier that they were taken at the same time of day on different 164 00:12:32,640 --> 00:12:38,600 » Yes, so these are both both in the evening hours and it's kind of difficult 165 00:12:36,360 --> 00:12:43,120 on this projector screen, but that same building on the left is visible in the 166 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,680 after photo, also in the before photo. >> Mhm. 167 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:49,960 » Um so, I'd encourage anyone to go to the packet um at agendas.provo.gov 168 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:53,560 if they want to see that picture a little clearer. 169 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:58,240 » All right, thanks, Britain. >> Okay. 170 00:12:54,160 --> 00:12:58,240 » Any public comment on this item? 171 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:05,680 » Hello, my name is Gavin. I'm a resident of Provo. Um 172 00:13:04,640 --> 00:13:10,040 this is the first I'm hearing about this, but I just have some questions. Um 173 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:13,320 uh what's the benefit of having a dark sky for at least the citizens of Provo? 174 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:17,120 Uh my wife, she works at a national park, and so there's obviously a benefit 175 00:13:15,080 --> 00:13:20,680 for Moab to have that, but I'm specifically asking about Provo. And 176 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:26,200 then um with the Christmas lights, does is that 177 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:28,720 only for new What's the word? 178 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:32,160 New buildings for the Christmas light enforcement, is that for all citizens of 179 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:35,440 Provo the Christmas light enforcement and how is that going to be enforced? I 180 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:39,040 feel like it would be cool to have a cop come to your house or 181 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:41,760 a ticket to your house during the holidays, but there's some questions on 182 00:13:41,080 --> 00:13:45,320 that. >> Thank you. We'll address all the 183 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:48,240 questions after comment period. Any more comments? 184 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:53,760 All right. First of all, the Christmas lights, they are exempt. So, no one will 185 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:57,000 get you know, the 186 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:59,280 Now, after 10, it's good I think it's going to be one 187 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:04,080 of those things we are generally a complaint based enforcement system. So, 188 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:06,560 if it's bugging your neighbors and they it's going through their little windows 189 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:11,800 and they're irritated, we could get a phone call and then they would come by. 190 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:14,480 Yeah, exactly. We don't want you to be Mr. Christmas Vacation. 191 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:17,000 Um and >> And it's all holiday lighting, not just 192 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:21,520 Christmas lights. >> yeah. So, and then there was another 193 00:14:18,960 --> 00:14:26,480 question. Oh, the dark sky. Uh due to the same reason it is valuable 194 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:29,560 at Moab, right? It's better for animals, it's better for people 195 00:14:27,880 --> 00:14:32,200 sleeping, it's better for people who do want to see the stars or not have 196 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:35,760 everything, you know, lit up. It's just better for 197 00:14:33,480 --> 00:14:39,839 the environment and quality of life is the idea. Is there anything else you 198 00:14:36,839 --> 00:14:39,839 want to add to that, Jeff? 199 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:46,600 » Yeah, I think um one other thing I'll say to the first 200 00:14:43,760 --> 00:14:50,400 question is a lot of times uh laws are not necessarily just to be 201 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:54,280 enforced by police. There's norms we try to create as a society that help us, you 202 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:57,920 know, live together in a community and so I think that's what we we're also 203 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:02,120 trying to do here is just trying to collectively say that um you know, this 204 00:15:00,680 --> 00:15:06,720 is better for the quality of life of Provo to see the majesty of the night 205 00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:09,400 sky. Provo is blessed by nature and I think the more things we can do to show 206 00:15:08,080 --> 00:15:11,880 that we cherish that, I think the better. 207 00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:18,960 » Okay, Counselor Bogdan. Hey, so I'm old, 208 00:15:17,600 --> 00:15:24,400 but when I first moved to Provo, I was probably your age with young kids. 209 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:29,760 And there's a cul-de-sac behind me. And that light is so bright. It shined 210 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:33,200 into my baby's windows and that's really hard. Do you have young kids? 211 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:40,160 When you have young kids, it's really hard. So, I have in every single room in 212 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:45,120 my house, I have blackout curtains. Not Walmart Winnie blackout curtains. I 213 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:50,040 have some serious blackout curtains. And even still today, I represent West 214 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:54,680 Provo. And when they opened up the Lakeview Parkway past the high school, I 215 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:57,600 had one of our residents come to me and say, "They just put in those new 216 00:15:56,240 --> 00:16:02,200 streetlights and now I can see it through my window. What do I do?" So, 217 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:07,000 even though those are the not so bright ones as it was 25 years ago when I moved 218 00:16:05,320 --> 00:16:12,080 into my home, right? It still does cause a problem. Now, I'm 219 00:16:09,200 --> 00:16:16,480 going to put it on the flip side. And I was at my sister's house when my 220 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:22,000 brother-in-law died. And Springville is so dark. You can't 221 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:25,880 even really see. So, I appreciate that. And one of the things that last year 222 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:31,080 Provo Power did is they put out the reason why 223 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:35,200 Provo has a power company is because the residents here wanted streetlights. 224 00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:41,760 So, I I think I think having this ordinance helps us 225 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:45,160 have that light. And I am one that fought hard for the holiday lights to 226 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:48,760 stay up because we are 227 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:52,280 Christmas lighters and we are Halloween lighters. 228 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:55,080 And it's a whole community thing. It brings my entire neighborhood to my 229 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:57,760 home. So, those things those things are 230 00:16:56,400 --> 00:17:01,360 important. It brings in community. 231 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:04,640 But you have to have that balance, right? 232 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:08,880 And and that's what we're trying to look at. And then also when you have 233 00:17:07,120 --> 00:17:12,959 some of these big electronic signs that come into your neighborhood, that also 234 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:19,600 leaves you with no sleep and so you're just like zombied out. And it all of it 235 00:17:16,319 --> 00:17:19,600 is that balance that helps. 236 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:27,760 » Okay, on I was what 237 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:31,680 Go ahead Rachel welcome. >> Well, and I can add one more thing is 238 00:17:29,440 --> 00:17:36,920 that as we adopt these standards that we have for our city whenever Udot or 239 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:42,040 another entity does work in it, then we have standards in place. So, when Udot 240 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:46,160 redid 300 South and they put in the new lights there, 241 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:51,680 those are not the fully shielded lights. And I live on 3rd South right next to 242 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:55,560 one of those lights and my entire house is illuminated like all the way through 243 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,360 the house because of that. You know, we've we've had to do blackout curtains 244 00:17:57,200 --> 00:18:02,440 as well. And so, while we will not be making Udot 245 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:07,920 go and change the fixtures that they've got, it means that in the future they 246 00:18:05,000 --> 00:18:14,040 will be doing these more directed lights that are more safe for the community and 247 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:18,520 avoid the negative impacts for residents and animals. So, I think it'll be a 248 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:23,560 really good thing to have. >> Now, to be clear like you mentioned 249 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:27,160 holiday lights and Britain with um like with general white lights under 250 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:31,080 your the eaves, like that's not what we're talking about as far as it have to 251 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:35,960 be unplugged, right? It's more the brighter, all the things going on at 252 00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:35,960 once. 253 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:41,640 » Um so, Brian and I um the city attorney actually discussed this and this might 254 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:47,000 be something that comes back to the council um to specify exactly what a 255 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:50,280 holiday light means and really clearly define that. 256 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:55,960 Um but one of the discussion points was about um like permanent outdoor LED 257 00:18:53,160 --> 00:19:01,400 lights that depending on the season, you can change the color. If there's a 258 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:05,800 Timpview or Provo High football game or other sporting event, you can rep your 259 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:09,280 colors like those. Um 260 00:19:07,720 --> 00:19:12,440 » I think this is still a piece we need to like clear up with the 261 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:15,360 » a piece that we need to iron out. Um and so this might be coming back to your 262 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:19,400 consideration to um, as far as figuring out that 263 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:22,880 definition and being very specific with those details. But for now, 264 00:19:21,520 --> 00:19:26,400 um, our city attorney feels comfortable with the language that's in the 265 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:26,400 ordinance. 266 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:32,320 » Yeah, to piggyback on that, I I mean, I think I think there's going to need to 267 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:36,720 be some more study done, but we didn't want as Britain and I talked, I think 268 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:40,520 what he's added in there gives us an immediate exception so that 269 00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:44,960 you don't have to worry about somebody going out and enforcing tomorrow while 270 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:48,240 we study things. Um, 271 00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:52,520 and we also didn't want to go the other way and say we need more time before you 272 00:19:50,000 --> 00:19:56,400 can pass any of it. So, I think that I think that this works for what was 273 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:59,640 expressed in the work session, but holiday lighting is not actually defined 274 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,280 in the code and so then there's this whole question of what does what does 275 00:20:00,960 --> 00:20:05,680 that mean? >> There's a lot of the basic just basic 276 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:09,120 lights that people have are totally fine all the time. Like they're not, you 277 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:12,120 know, so we need to somehow how we need to somehow differentiate between a 278 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,280 nuisance and 279 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,560 » Right. >> normal. Like you know. 280 00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:18,600 » Yeah, because everything I mean, everything that's under 281 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:24,240 Everything that Everything that's underneath the eaves and underneath 282 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:26,720 3,000 Kelvin is already in compliance. So, we're only talking about things that 283 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,040 aren't. >> Yeah. 284 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:32,800 » Um, and that's where we've got the holiday lighting. And then one of the 285 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:36,680 comments I made to Britain is, you know, we talked about about these jellyfish 286 00:20:35,120 --> 00:20:39,840 lights often being shielded because they're under the eaves, but not all 287 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:45,200 holiday lights are under the eaves. Some people string their holiday lights out 288 00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:49,040 around the around the frame, right? So, I think that there's more going to need 289 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:52,080 to be done on the holiday {slash} jellyfish 290 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:56,880 issue, but I think this gets us somewhere where you can 291 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:58,360 » Okay, so we'll follow up on this soon and clean it up. 292 00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,520 » Yeah. >> But you think it's worth it's okay to 293 00:20:59,640 --> 00:21:02,320 pass now as it is. >> so, yes. 294 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:05,920 » Okay. >> I don't think this penalizes something 295 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:09,800 that you're not meaning to penalize. It might be too permissive, but we can come 296 00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:12,320 back and tweak that after. >> Okay. All right. Thank you. 297 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:16,720 » Yeah, you're welcome. >> All right. Any Any more comments anyone 298 00:21:14,120 --> 00:21:16,720 else has? 299 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:22,960 All right. We'll call on a vote on the implied motion. Are you still with us, 300 00:21:20,360 --> 00:21:22,960 Travis? 301 00:21:24,120 --> 00:21:28,040 Councillor Hopin. >> I sure am. 302 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:31,000 » Your vote? >> Yes. 303 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,680 » All right. Councillor Whipple. 304 00:21:32,120 --> 00:21:34,400 » Yes. >> Councillor Bogden. 305 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:36,240 » Yes. >> Councillor Whitlock. 306 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:38,880 » Yes. >> Councillor McKay, yes. Councillor 307 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:43,920 Garrett. >> Yes. 308 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:46,880 » All right. That passes 6-0. And if there's no objection, we will now 309 00:21:45,120 --> 00:21:50,240 adjourn the Provisional Council by unanimous consent.