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What a cash.

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There we are. Okay,

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» all right. Thank you, Bill. I'll open up
this evening of the mayor town the

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planning work of town mayor. Today's
date is uh August 25th 2026 and the time

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is 7:05 p.m. All members here are
present in town hall. This meeting is

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being held in hybrid format which means
that board applicants for public can

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participate here in town hall or
virtually through Zoom. Please note this

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meeting is being recorded.

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So
let's go to

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item two and we will I believe
they will reopen the public hearing for

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street but I believe the applicant has
requested a concealment. Uh

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» yes, Mr. Sure. The um Ryan Clemens is
here and um they I believe he's going to

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uh request a uh a continuence. There's
some material that was sent today. Um it

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was it was circulated to the board, but
at last, you know, it was a little bit

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short. Um
and uh I did recommend that um that uh

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request a continuous for maximum
effectiveness the applicant so you guys

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can have a chance to look at over
changes and if there's any suggestions,

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questions or um things that you need
that uh you'll have an opportunity to

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provide it to the applicant prior to the
September I think it's 8 hearing.

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So that I'll turn it over to Mr. Clemens
unless you have any questions for me.

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» No, I don't. Mr. Clemens, just for the
record, you identify yourself and then

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confirm that that's all correct.
>> Absolutely. My name is Ryan Clemens of

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RAW at 255 State Street in Boston here
tonight on behalf of applicant Daniel

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Souza for the site plan review
application for 16 WAM Street. And as a

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quick recap, we come before you uh at
the request of the building inspector to

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uh for the site plan review and uh
following review from the board and

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comments. Uh we took the plans back to
show excuse [clears throat] me took the

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plans back to show parking, snow
storage, lighting,

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and uh trash and recycling. uh which
we've done. Uh as the planner noted, we

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had sent those plans to you today and as
discussed at the last meeting, too.

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Board indicated they would like a couple
of days in advance of a meeting to

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review subsequent plans. So tonight,
we're asking for a continuence to your

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next meeting on September 8th in order
to give you enough time to review the

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plans that we submitted, which do show
the six parking spaces, the snow

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storage, the trash and recycling, and
the building lighting. Uh, and with

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that, uh, happy to, uh, jot down any
questions that you may have now that we

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can answer at the next meeting.
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» No, that's pretty much it. Um, I would
say uh, I I have received a couple of

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comments
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dimensions on parking and some questions
about the parking. So if the uh the

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board or um has any questions um we'll
go ahead I'll ask them to provide them

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to me and we'll forward them directly to
you. Um so it uh should be very clear

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and unless there's any other questions
the board have

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at the moment.
Um, I'll make a motion to continue the

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hearing until September 9th at 7 p.m.

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» Oh, sorry. September 8th at 700 p.m.

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» All in favor of the motion to continue
the September 8th, please.

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That's 5.
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. McC. Thank

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you.
Appreciate it. Thank you,

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Bill. Let's go to item three and we will
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right?
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» Yeah, we just to refresh the board. Let
me open up the hearing for 26 road. Uh

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this is a request for modification for
the planning board for a spect

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that was originally approved on February
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and uh we did have um a determination of
the age modification previously by the

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planning board sometime this summer and
now this would be the public hearing for

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the modification. I get that correct?
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» Okay. Go ahead. Uh and the board has
directed the applicant um to um prepare

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an updated
elevation demonstrated proposed changes.

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Uh the board did review the changes and
and largely determined that the um

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provided that the footprint was to
remain the same um that design review

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would be the core of this review. Uh,
consequently we have um I think I'm

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guessing we have Amy from Arrow Street
is on I think we have Adam St. Adams on

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Adam Stack is the uh developer and we
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James Jaros
sorry that name uh who is uh Mr. stacks

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um architecture. And with that um I
think that's everybody that we have from

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the team.
>> All right, let's we'll turn it over to

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the African you guys. Um Adam, could you
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the record, please?

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» Uh James Jazokus, architect uh with
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Um, do you want to go through with Adam
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want to just
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applicant for 2-4 Perm Mill Road.

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» Hi everyone, Amy Corte with Arrow
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design review.

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We also have um in person tonight uh uh
dire executive director of office and

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news for services Steve Sy
uh president if you have any questions

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that I can't answer from other areas of
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» Thanks Steve.
Um okay um happy to turn over to you

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guys um for what I understood your
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Uh, okay. I'm going to just share my
screen. So, it's probably easiest to uh

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talk about this
request.

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» great.
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» So, let's see. Just want to make this
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So basically we uh presented a design
change to the exterior

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and Arrow Street came back with um some
comments that we were happy to address

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and make the appropriate tweaks. And
what you're seeing is the result of

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those changes. I can go through uh the
majority of them pretty quickly. Uh

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basically we um put in the drawings uh
people in cars and everything to give

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this better scale of how the building
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the
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the green. Um the hunter green would be
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more of a soldier course. We definitely
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utilize the
uh all the different techniques to make

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a brick building look good with coins on
the side and belly bands and soldier

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courses and different um uh elements to
make it pop as opposed to just a boring

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flat brick building. Uh so
we're happy with that. Uh the windows

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are
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window. Uh the commercial element on the
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a residential space on the first floor
and we kept those windows appropriately

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sized
um for that. You don't want a giant

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storefront and in your bedroom
especially on the first floor level. Um,

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the entrance is more predominant. Uh, we
have an A-frame protecting from the

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weather. We get more rain than Seattle,
so we definitely want to protect people

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from coming in and out. Uh, the
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walls, all the sides will be all brick.
It's not going to be where the water

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side doesn't have uh the same details,
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have the same details.
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and I I yeah, I believe that's that's
just about it for the comments. Um, if

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uh I'm sorry, Amy
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change anything else, but

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» yeah, I mean, I can just offer my
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that James and Adam made was really um
in response to our comment about the

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front entryway. Your design guidelines
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are principal element um and are more
connected to the street. So what James

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did was recess that entryway, put a
canopy over it. I think my only question

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would be I think you guys should just
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property line. And if it does, you have
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and then, you know, somebody on the
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side had mentioned that they weren't
sure if the green glazed uh color really

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worked and matched with the historic uh
downtown Maynard. Um, there is there are

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some elements of green. We went back and
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some of the existing uh buildings that
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these types of tones being used in
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your downtown. Um so it really comes
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colors and the materials that you make
sure that you like it in the final

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permit review and the CD review. Um the
materials are definitely high quality.

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That was one of your design review
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something we typically see on a lot of
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James said, getting a um a well uh
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details are done for the for the CDs.
Our only additional comment and James

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and Adam, I didn't you know we forgot to
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suggestion would be to look at a
building. Um 74 Main Street is actually

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probably a good example in downtown
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it's a bit lighter. um it doesn't
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cornice especially on the front side and
has a little bit more of that um I call

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it historic lighter touch to the top of
a building. So um that would be our

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suggestion as you move it forward into
CDs. Um there were some areas of the

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rendering where the cornice the revised
rendering the cornice pops out a little

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bit more on one side of the main entry
vertical volume. If you zoom into think

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the upper left image, you can see it.
And just pulling that back, making it

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probably a little bit more flush with
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the very top of the building. I can
share my screen as example if that's

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helpful. But overall um the building
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» Right. That's pretty easy.
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interpretation. I think you could
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the base and then keep a more modern
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» Yeah, we we've captured that detail a
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It's it's really pretty easy to mimic
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Depot. So
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feeling is this will come down to the
final details in the CD drawings. um how

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those soldier courses and belly bands
are detailed and the the connections

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between the details, but it's a pretty
simple building. Um it's all brick. It's

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very durable. Um and it seems to meet
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happy to turn over the board to start
comments may have

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I'd like to hear some discusses.

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Did you did you hear that comment?
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well the what all it's basically always
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the building above it disappeared. Um
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to keep it covered as well as uh provide

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a covered walkway to it. And um it was
just features that

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um if we took away may trigger more of a
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by conservation and other boards. So we
it was an element that we just were okay

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with keeping. It's basically providing
cover and once again it's um

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uh New England, you know, we get tons of
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» And what are the materials that are used
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» Uh it's just a roofing element. um
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framing
that would be painted very close to the

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awning, the
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the cap as well as come close to
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Was it serving [clears throat]
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You are you referencing the walkway
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» No walkway. There's a new walkway that
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It used to be just a little narrow
landscape strip and now it's

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walkway that somehow connects to
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left of the building.
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» No, they um the the landscape strip will
remain. Uh it's just that the proposed

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building back in 24 has been narrowed in
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it um the strip. Uh just see

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» where does that go to? Does it does it
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» Just goes right into the uh parking
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So that would be a walkway for people
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to walk back into the covered parking
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» right? You could go to your bike. You
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There's um other areas.

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» I'm not going to follow it. You have to
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straight. No, there there is ways to get
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uh underside of the building. It's just
multiple ways. I mean,

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adding more landscape in order to shift
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shifted closer and more
more tight with the other commercial

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we we can and this
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Can you tell me a little bit about the
screening um of parking that is next to

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the gate on the um
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what was originally agreed upon
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and it still remains. There's just no
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gate. There's still all the elements
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I think my brain is having trouble
comparing to the last one without the

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plan.
Are we getting on?

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» Um the that was a situation that when we
discussed this originally, we limited

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this to a landscape plan and a um a
limited design review basically uh and

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lighting where it was going to be uh
removed or replaced. Um if the the the

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essence of this was that the footprint
wasn't going to change not just because

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it was um to maintain the existing uh
dimensions but also because of

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conservation commission um
considerations. So I think that that if

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the board wanted a revised
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dimensional plan that that would be
basically what you have already um the

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elevations and the landscape plan I
think would be the modified component.

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The board feels different of course in
the kind

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of people

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modify

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especially that lock

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seems to me that wipes out the park
space and now I don't know

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good whatever

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tell me tell Blackstone prefers to have
a struct

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or something.

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I I don't think I understand the
question. Why why did conservation

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reprove it the way in the current
configuration? Why does conservation

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want canopy over the park?
Why are they requiring more

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infrastructure?

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It It's not so much that conservation
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and we only presented minor
modifications

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to what conservation's
uh was seen as the footprints. So that

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we only eliminated a couple of columns
versus wiping out all the columns on

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that side.

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The footprint by removing all of the
coverage it would still require still be

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a major modification bill
from likely is that a problem? I don't

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know that it would be a major
modification, but I I think the um

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positioning was critical to what they
they felt maintaining the positioning

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was critical what had been proved before
and would prevent

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um a further series of hearings to
how made the movie. This was where it

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was originally placed. And I guess the
thinking wasn't why why would it be

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approved two years ago and they want to
change it the position.

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And back to the walkway. It does look
like the lighting plan

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shows the proposed changes u of that
walkway to the west of the current

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building. Is that correct?
>> Um the the lighting plan did not change.

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Uh even the light at the front door, we
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lights underneath that walkway.
>> Okay. So, what does the paint represent

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on this figure? that that is what was
the 2024

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footprint of the building that's being
reduced to

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back to this column

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set back.

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Um, see,

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uh,
I think we have it all the way it to the

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original. Um, I I know this plan is a
little deceiving where it shows pink in

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front here. Uh I believe we have the
building coming right to the street.

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» But at the same time, James, there is
there is a feature on the front that uh

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there's there's a prominent feature in
the front where the door is which

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definitely protrudes out from the face
of that.

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Is that correct?
[snorts]

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second here.
>> So, we just need clarity whether the the

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building is on the property land as
previously approved or if it's been

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modified
building has been pushed back to allow

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» we we will have it. Yeah, it'll be set
back to not require

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um it's easy to modify
the back of the bus here to accommodate

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not bleeding over the city sidewalk. So,
yes, it would be set back the couple of

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feet.
>> Do you have that is it you say a couple

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feet. Do do we have a sense of what what
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Um it for

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just to be on the safe side 3 ft

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with the door inset and the
a cover only needs to protrude maybe 18

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inches. So we get a good 5ft cover so
the doors can swing out, not hit people

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on the sidewalk.

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» Yeah.

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I mean it just wouldn't help if we had a
very simple site that highlighted what

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is it. I don't want to read talk about
everything

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» right check box
say okay let's do what they got.

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» Yeah. So the original concept here was
that planning board was not necessarily

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requesting uh to modify all of the site
plans because

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the intent was to not change the
building footprint. But we we do see

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that the building program is changed
and we just need to know what we're

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approving
and they and they can't and the site

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plans I think the site plan
we needs to be updated to show the

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change in the building program.
>> Okay.

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» At least that's what I'm hearing from
the board. Do I hear that correctly

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board? I agree. It's been a little hard
to figure out what's existing

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in the past, what's supposed to be
proposed.

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Those differences. Okay. So, let's move
on to lighting. Um, James, you said that

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the lighting scheme has not changed at
all. Is that correct?

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» At the moment, no, it has not changed.

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And you know the I do see the lighting
plan has

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obviously light location shown on it. Um
and just to make sure the the

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architectural renders do not show lights
but obviously we defer to the lighting

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plan. Correct.
>> Right. Yeah.

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Uh

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And these are the exact same lighting
condition.

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Also the condition um for the lighting
just to be clear for the board. But one

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of the conditions was to add one
additional light. Um

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that's designated in decision. So that
that all if the board chooses to move

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forward, we would keep that condition
consistent. Other

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questions

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about
side

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Yeah. Um I didn't quite hear that
question. Sorry.

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» Yes. So on the on the river side it's
some building structure that's going

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away

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» what's happening in these green areas
that we're proposing to remove.

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» Yeah. and just
um

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the landscaping that is there is going
as proposed is going to stay as

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proposed.
Uh all there's no proposed structure on

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the ground level other than the one two
three four five six columns. So

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it was originally proposed that the
paved walkway would be in this area. So

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that's what would be in that area. Paved
walkway and sidewalk here.

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[clears throat]

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And this would be a proposed parking
space.

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Amen.

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Approvals.

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Yeah, it's originally proposed hardcape
that's going

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that we're proposing to stay.

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» The site plan that just highlights what
is different.

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So those brain spots were always hard to
see with building above but no other

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» correct.

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» I will note that some of these green
areas where there's building columns

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being removed
there are light fixtures

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shown light plan attached.
So we

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the light plan is not not the accurate
balance for the building. So basically

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in the top left of that light plan you
show there are light fixtures that I

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believe were attached to the building
that has no longer been.

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Is that correct?
Um

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the only there's
S1's

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proposed on this column, this column,
this column and this column. And the

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only column that's going one of the
lights and column is proposed to go

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away.
>> Right? So there won't be any place to

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put a light picture that right
>> other than

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um

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» because the the image above with with
the red and the green shows that

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the building is being removed above

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Right. Uh let's see.

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» So we're we the plans just need to be
modified to show that that the landing

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plan that
Okay.

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» I think the render shows it covered by
the building.

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Okay.

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» Where are we on the
gate for the emergency access?

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» Yeah. You talking about the roll up
gate, Bill?

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» Yeah. So, what we talked about where we
left this at the last approval, um the

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fire chief was not wild about the roller
gate. Um but we said that the um that it

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would be installed on the uh the garage
uh but the color of material

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aesthetically consistent blah blah blah.
In the event the fire chief does not

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didn't find the rollup gate to be
adequate or sufficient um an alternative

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gate will be provided to the planning
board chair for approval. That's how we

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left it. So, I don't know um if if uh
Adam or John can speak to any recent

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conversations with the fire chief, but I
would say that's probably

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um something that for now anyway would
want to, you know, I would want to keep

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in conditions.
Um that we we just we debated that quite

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a bit, but it was my understanding fire
chief was not

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comfortable with that. I could be
wrong. And I'll I'll defer to Adam on

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that. You may remember what happened.

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» So again, we didn't like go back to the
fire chief about this because it we're

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not changing anything that is physically
on the ground footprint.

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Um so anything that was approved before
is staying in this permit. And that's

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what we're trying to express that this
footprint is staying the same so that

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parking stays the same. So that the snow
storage stays the same so that the you

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know all the dumpsters all the things we
had to fit onto this tight location

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stays the same. Um we're only asking to
change the building above the first

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floor and that's why it shrunk down to
make it more economical to build right

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now. and for the one-bedroom units that
we're trying to do. Um, uh, so that's

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why we were trying to leave everything
on the ground level that was approved as

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is and just get the changes above if if
that makes sense. I think that's what we

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tried to express last meeting and that's
what we wanted to talk about this

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meeting. So, we weren't really trying to
start a whole new

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um, permit here
>> and and Adam, that's what we understood

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as well. But what I'm seeing you propose
for example on powder mill is that the

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building front is going to
um go into the site by what we heard to

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be about 3 ft. So building barriers
being closed chain and

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» in my from this is for me seeing that
this is either an oversight on how that

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was drawn or not but that that that
should that line at the at the sidewalk

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should not move. Nothing should be
moving here. So if Jim put this uh

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covered covered entry in because Arrow
Street asked for it, that's kind of

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where that came from. And if that's
going to adjust the whole building, then

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I would ask then is it that necessary to
have this three-foot covered entrance to

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get in there or can we just have basic
entry door because most of the people

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will be going on, you know, into the
building from the covered parking

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underneath
because to move the building back three

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feet just to have a covered entrance
doesn't make any sense.

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» I mean, I can respond to that. Um, you
know, we had asked for We thought your

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previous design of the recessed entry
was sufficient. So in our opinion, I

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think recessing the entry gives it
enough cover and denotes the primary

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entry and would be okay. I I do have a
different question. This is the first

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time I'm seeing the site plan. So on the
left side where you have the orange

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zone where I guess the canopy is, if you
look at your rendering

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in the lower left
um of your new renderings, it looks like

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the brick wall comes out and basically
continues that orange line on the left

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going through the word building. And so
I'm just curious, it looks like your

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site plan shows planting between that
screen wall and the green screen on the

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lower left. And then where that green
canopy starts is rendered as all

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planting in the site plan. But here it
looks like parking.

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See what's going on. It looks like it's
just

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» Yeah.
certainly

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understand that that ground floor is
trying to not be changed

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significantly so as to you know allow
conservation and everyone to you know

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stay the same as a 2024. But when it
does change, we can't sign our name to

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an inaccurate plan when we're so
um that that's the reason having updated

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site plan if there are going to be
changes which there are.

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» Well, we don't want site plan changes.
So, if we have to adjust to the recessed

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entrance like Amy had just said, then
that's what we have to keep it as.

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There are changes beside just the recess
entry. I mean,

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I struggle with just looking at the
rendering. That's my only indication of

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how
how the site is changing.

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» So, for for another example on on the
the color rendering on the top left.

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You know, there's
building moved in green,

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there's columns being removed, and we
just need to know what's being done with

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the lighting there because lighting was
being attached in that area. It seems

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there's no longer a building for columns
to attach the light to.

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So if if that green box in the top left
is is going away,

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um we just need to know we just it could
it's now in conflict with the landing

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pl.
know what will happen to Alexa.

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All right. So,
the light that was here

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um will go away and
Unfortunately, the renderings do show

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this element here
over here

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and it's really should be back here.
>> Can you elaborate on that? I didn't I

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can't follow.
>> Yeah. Um,

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can you see my cursor on the screen?
>> Okay. So, there was originally a con uh

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comment regarding this is where the gate
is.

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And then there's a planter here.
And this is a planter here. But in the

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rendering, it's showing them in line
with the gate. But in reality, it's

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proposed to be not here, but back here.
>> So to clarify, earlier when I asked

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about that and I was told it's the same
as it was in 2024, I'm not crazy. It's

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not the same as it was since I don't
Yes.

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there. Okay.

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Can you help me understand what the
final procedure ends up being with this

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for the modification. We have
all new bindings

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for approval. We have do we need a new
set of conditions? Do we edit the

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existing condition?
>> Yeah. No, it's a good good question. Um,

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basically when we've done this before,
what I'd recommend here, this is a

440
00:46:17,119 --> 00:46:25,200
modification. uh we would want to review
the conditions in a in a fashion that

441
00:46:23,359 --> 00:46:29,200
are they unchanged from the original
approval. So looking through them for

442
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:32,960
example and I have a couple I have a
couple questions I want to ask the

443
00:46:30,319 --> 00:46:37,359
outcome before we leave but um for
example obviously the dating of the the

444
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:42,560
architectural plans or whatever are
going to change of course um but in the

445
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:48,720
findings some of the findings will will
change but you look at like um the we

446
00:46:47,119 --> 00:46:54,319
want to talk about the affordable units
but that aside um most of the stuff I

447
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:58,960
looked at would stay the same. I have a
couple of questions. Um, but in general

448
00:46:57,119 --> 00:47:05,119
they stay the same. If they needed
anything I would say uh the the findings

449
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:12,960
remained in uh the same as the original
approval with the exception of number X.

450
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:18,160
Uh in the um conditions of approval
there's um looking through them there

451
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:22,720
was a a question I had but but not
really anything that I saw would change

452
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:26,240
uh to two of them. And that one was
specifically about the firegate that we

453
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:29,040
had talked about already and the second
is about the light that I brought up

454
00:47:27,680 --> 00:47:37,680
earlier.
So, um, in my opinion, what I could see

455
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:42,079
this saying is I, um, a, uh, similar to
what we did at Major Crossing, for

456
00:47:40,240 --> 00:47:47,280
example, whenever we amended, the
original approval dated blah blah blah

457
00:47:44,240 --> 00:47:51,520
is superseded in conditions this that or
whatever the case is, and all other

458
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:57,599
conditions not specifically amended by
this action uh, remain the same. That

459
00:47:54,560 --> 00:48:00,720
would be my suggestion. Uh, may I ask
the applicant a question?

460
00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:05,400
Mr. Chair,
>> could you answer Bill's question?

461
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:11,280
» Is that unsatisfactory?
>> I don't know.

462
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:17,240
um
kind of

463
00:48:13,359 --> 00:48:17,240
because I don't really understand

464
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:30,160
the action on this have its own set of
no I

465
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:37,359
find I would like
>> well it it's true but giving another I

466
00:48:32,480 --> 00:48:41,760
mean is it is it effective and uh fair
to reexam exam and the condition is

467
00:48:39,440 --> 00:48:47,440
still met. So if we said, you know, if
we do we really want to change something

468
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:51,920
that says um
no problem

469
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:56,880
some of these conditions are a little
fuzzy and they could have been fixed in

470
00:48:53,599 --> 00:49:02,800
the last two and a half years
but it's also the findings the findings

471
00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:05,760
will change because the projects change
the

472
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:11,839
change
>> they may

473
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:16,400
right No, I agree.
>> Wiping out the old findings and cleaning

474
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:19,119
new findings or it's up to the board.
They could we could go through the whole

475
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:24,480
thing and do it again.
>> To me, I like I said, most of them from

476
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:29,680
my glance from them, you know. I mean,
there's some the spirit of most of these

477
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:33,520
is the same, but there's I have a couple
of questions that I'm going want to

478
00:49:31,359 --> 00:49:36,640
clear up, but in general, if the board's
more comfortable than that, we can

479
00:49:34,720 --> 00:49:39,680
certainly do that. We could run through
the and when we got to the conditions,

480
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:45,760
we just go through the conditions and
see does it is it still exactly what we

481
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:49,680
want to approve. This is a a a
major modification as we said. So, it's

482
00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:55,760
essentially a new permit and the board
and the permit's open so the board can

483
00:49:52,319 --> 00:50:00,800
change how it is. Um but I would say
that you know

484
00:49:58,240 --> 00:50:05,280
a level of prudence should be exercised
on seeing as the

485
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:09,200
permit is what three years old or
whatever. I mean, but uh sure,

486
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:13,680
whatever's easiest for the board, I
would be happy to go through, but uh so

487
00:50:11,359 --> 00:50:20,880
we can do it either way, but the
findings would to

488
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:26,640
circle back. You're finding that the uh
site plan uh and special permit have

489
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:32,160
been modified at by X the and we have a
special permit condition. Uh we have a

490
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:37,760
special permit condition for the DoD.
And then there's some uh in the

491
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:42,880
conditions there are uh some specific um
site specific um conditions that the

492
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:48,480
board worked down quite a bit uh in the
last approval.

493
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:55,599
Uh the other thing that that might uh I
might suggest was to to um

494
00:50:52,800 --> 00:51:00,559
maybe move everything would be uh we
could uh

495
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:07,680
continue with our if there's a design
questions that are going to require um

496
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:11,200
the design reviewers present. You know,
maybe we want to we want to get

497
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:17,000
everything we can with that done if we
can. But just however the board feels,

498
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:17,000
you know, is most effective.

499
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,559
» I got

500
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:29,559
that canopy.
It's um

501
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:37,640
» between the adjacent building corner and
the building

502
00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:37,640
» well

503
00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:49,720
seems

504
00:51:54,800 --> 00:52:00,800
I mean the building in front of it in
the corner there has a flat roof as

505
00:51:57,839 --> 00:52:05,040
well. So, it's just basically the same
plane as that.

506
00:52:03,680 --> 00:52:10,200
Remember, there's a there's a building
in this corner that's covering all of

507
00:52:07,040 --> 00:52:10,200
this area.

508
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:38,920
Happy to say I like

509
00:52:38,960 --> 00:52:46,599
our consultants like a little about
integrating that better

510
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:51,440
the capping.

511
00:53:00,559 --> 00:53:07,920
And just to clarify, so to the left of
the roll up gate or whatever ends up

512
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:14,400
being subject to approval by the fire
chief is not a screening feature. It is

513
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:20,119
a couple of parking spaces and then
screening featuring.

514
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:20,119
Correct.

515
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:52,240
I'm sorry. What was the question?
>> My question was just to clarify the roll

516
00:53:50,240 --> 00:53:56,240
up gate on
>> Yes.

517
00:53:53,520 --> 00:54:00,800
» Street. Um to the left of it is not a
screening feature. To the left of that

518
00:53:58,319 --> 00:54:07,520
will be several parking spaces with
screening feature at the back. If you're

519
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:13,920
looking at it from street,
>> this is rendered correctly. This is

520
00:54:11,119 --> 00:54:17,680
rendered correctly. This element here is
actually

521
00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:21,119
back
>> Yeah.

522
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:26,079
» to this plane. And there's proposed
landscaping in this area.

523
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:29,800
So
>> it would um

524
00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:39,440
» is it is it
>> so this this is all landscaping

525
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:42,960
in front of that area?
>> So the parking so there isn't a parking

526
00:54:41,599 --> 00:54:48,319
space there.
>> There's no parking spaces there. It's

527
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:55,839
all there's a there's a walkway. There's
a path, a meandering path with

528
00:54:53,200 --> 00:54:58,839
uh trees all around or bushes all around
it.

529
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:08,319
That little green square that's become
land

530
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:11,640
or is that the heartcape like the other
green patches?

531
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:25,680
I'm sorry. I'm having a little hard time
hearing a question.

532
00:55:23,280 --> 00:55:28,559
» On the draw
little green square.

533
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:34,240
» Yes.
>> Is that going to be more landscaping or

534
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:37,240
just
hardcaping?

535
00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:42,200
that um

536
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:55,359
dealer's choice. It doesn't affect the
parking. So, that can be um

537
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:57,839
hardcape or
um

538
00:55:56,319 --> 00:56:02,319
» I think that would be a mixture of both
because that's going to be a

539
00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:07,599
continuation of the marine the walkway
to it. The two in the back will be green

540
00:56:04,799 --> 00:56:11,920
space, not hard space. So, the one that
he had his uh cursor in front of,

541
00:56:09,359 --> 00:56:16,720
obviously part of the walkway is going
to have to be in there and part of it

542
00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:22,400
will be green space. Uh towards the back
towards the river, more uh green space

543
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:27,040
unless instead of hard space is what
conservation is looking for. So, if that

544
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:34,880
answers your question
>> and building codewise, this is a remote

545
00:56:32,079 --> 00:56:42,359
second means of egress. I just need to
be able to either get to the parking lot

546
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:42,359
or to the street. Either way,

547
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:17,000
Okay. So, um this the the updated
the updated drawings should show

548
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:17,000
what the final answer is on those hardc

549
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:26,799
um so that we have a correct record.
I would suggest that the best approach

550
00:57:24,880 --> 00:57:32,720
to the lighting
is to simply

551
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:37,599
update the lighting plan
to show

552
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:42,799
how we're going to handle the top left
bites and top left figure, but also

553
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:47,920
the
lights on powder mill. um that if the

554
00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:53,359
building does shrink, obviously the
location of those lights will probably

555
00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:59,280
be modfired. One of the conditions was
that a light fixtures got to also be

556
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:04,720
placed on the the southwest corner of
the building, which in this figure is

557
00:58:01,119 --> 00:58:10,960
the bottom left and so it should there's
also a light there. So we should just

558
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:15,119
see what the new light figuration is.
I I I would suggest that the best way to

559
00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:18,799
do this would you have light in each
corner and then you know lights

560
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:24,559
proportionally
um located in the middle as as needed.

561
00:58:21,920 --> 00:58:28,520
But I think four lights in total would
make good spice here.

562
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:34,760
Um those change those changes should be

563
00:58:35,440 --> 00:58:41,160
and then
um

564
00:58:45,359 --> 00:58:52,319
then the
the walkway to the west of the building

565
00:58:49,839 --> 00:58:58,559
to so the pink area to the left of of
the building here is is that all

566
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:03,720
is that going to be a concrete walkway?
way similar to the other walkway

567
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,720
constructed.

568
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:12,640
» Yes. Right. Right now that is how it's
proposed.

569
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:18,319
» So if it's not and forgive me if I can't
see it, but if it's not noted, we should

570
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:23,319
note that that walkway be concrete
similar to the other constructed

571
00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:23,319
walkways.

572
00:59:24,079 --> 00:59:32,799
» Okay. And obviously this plan if if the
building facade on powder mill is not

573
00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:39,920
going to be recessed as discuss as shown
then obviously this you should modify

574
00:59:36,319 --> 00:59:47,079
figure so that
facade is matching the sidewalk as was

575
00:59:44,079 --> 00:59:47,079
previous.

576
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:56,880
Those are the changes that I heard from
the board tonight. Was there anything

577
00:59:54,640 --> 01:00:02,319
else for clarity that the board would
need to see?

578
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:09,280
» I guess question to the planning
director. Is is it worth incorporating

579
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:16,000
any of the conditions plan?
Is that something done other

580
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:20,400
modification major mod?
>> I don't think I understand. I'm sorry.

581
01:00:17,359 --> 01:00:22,240
So we have quite a few conditions.
>> Yes.

582
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:27,040
» Yes, that's correct.
>> Is it worth incorporate since this is

583
01:00:24,240 --> 01:00:30,799
the modification we're dealing? Yes. Is
it worth

584
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:35,680
» incorporating those into site plan for
clarity?

585
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:39,839
» If you're going to open a site plan and
it would eliminate a condition, I would

586
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:44,960
say yeah, it would be a good move. So in
other words, like if there's a specific

587
01:00:42,000 --> 01:00:47,920
aspect of the conditions that can that
we could eliminate a conditional

588
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:52,240
approval, if they're going to open the
plan anyway, the site plan,

589
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:56,240
» it sounds like we need to open
>> and I think that would be I think that

590
01:00:53,680 --> 01:01:03,160
would be the best um the most efficient
for the applicant and the board

591
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,160
» if the board agrees.

592
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:10,480
And if you're making changes, let's
let's get it right up. We're talking

593
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:15,359
about one of the scones.
>> Yeah, I mean it's not it's not

594
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:17,359
» instead of doing this
makes sense.

595
01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:22,160
» Well, that would be I would recommend
that. I think I think I can't speak for

596
01:01:19,839 --> 01:01:25,440
the applicant, but I mean I I believe he
would

597
01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:29,520
if he's got to make an amendment. Let's
let's get rid of whatever we can for the

598
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:32,960
conditions or stop. I think it's just
light and um what else?

599
01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:38,160
» Guard rail.
>> Oh, the guardrails. Yeah,

600
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:43,359
» the gate. Well, the gate I don't know.
Um, it's not going to be yet

601
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:49,040
prior chief. I don't know without a
gate. I I I um and that may change, you

602
01:01:47,200 --> 01:01:53,440
know, as as the time progresses towards
is constructive. I I I don't know that I

603
01:01:51,839 --> 01:01:56,720
would change the gate now.
>> Okay.

604
01:01:54,319 --> 01:02:01,200
» I I I like the idea of having the fire
chief and and if there's a problem

605
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:05,440
» for sure. And then and then
>> and then Chris can talk about what's

606
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:11,280
that
>> the width of the gate

607
01:02:08,480 --> 01:02:17,079
» that should be on
>> that should be on the site.

608
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:17,079
» I don't know what

609
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:23,680
they need for
I have to check their previous comments

610
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:28,480
because they did review this. I think
they may have I don't know if I can do

611
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:34,319
it right now. I I'll make a note to get
that out.

612
01:02:30,640 --> 01:02:41,839
Um my suggestion would be
the light sconce condition 16 is an easy

613
01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:51,920
add to any update plans. I would suggest
that condition 171 19 guard rail

614
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:57,359
I think those are well written and um
can be

615
01:02:53,760 --> 01:03:03,920
can be considered and do not need to be
>> which ones I'm sorry I'm I'm virtually

616
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:10,000
fine with not modifying any plans to
remove conditions except

617
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:17,160
of the guard rail I think those are well
And um it can it can remain as is just

618
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,160
be submitted.

619
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,440
» Okay. But that should

620
01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:41,440
» condition 20 sheet. So that
back back to the

621
01:03:38,799 --> 01:03:45,440
uh so the board needs to understand what
needs to understand about course. So I'm

622
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:51,200
going to go back to court. I listed a
few items previously. any other items

623
01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:55,400
that we would need to see for clarity to
understand what was being.

624
01:03:57,920 --> 01:04:03,760
» I I just I mean not being part of the
original decision and seeing the

625
01:04:01,839 --> 01:04:07,280
conflicts between the renderings and the
site plan. I just think it'd be

626
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:11,839
important to show an accurate site plan
and in renderings and be clear about on

627
01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:18,680
the revised site plan what those
revisions are. make it clear what's

628
01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:18,680
changing clouds.

629
01:04:22,799 --> 01:04:26,039
» Yeah, cling.

630
01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:34,920
» Yeah, the clouding simplifies for
everybody. I agree. We put that we

631
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:34,920
recommend that in our

632
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:46,559
» Does that make sense, John?
>> John, but

633
01:04:43,039 --> 01:04:51,200
James. Yeah. Yes, that that all that all
makes sense. I can definitely talk to

634
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:55,839
Adam and uh get this all clarified and
cleaned up and

635
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:59,400
so so it'll be nice and easy to approve.
>> I apologize, James.

636
01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:07,440
» from if
need some waiverss.

637
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:10,400
» Yeah. Well, that's my I had Yeah, I have
two questions.

638
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:13,920
really good.
>> I have I have a couple of questions

639
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:16,079
about that. That was one I'd like to if
I can speak to the applicants about

640
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:20,640
that. I have a question.
>> Yeah, let's Okay, so I think we're good

641
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:27,200
on the
sort of um plan review for the bill. You

642
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:34,559
can you can ask your questions on
waiverss, but then let's move on to

643
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:42,640
finalizing this for tonight.
So, we got a plan.

644
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:47,920
» Yeah. Um, Adam, um, and I I think in the
original

645
01:05:44,400 --> 01:05:52,960
request for minor modification,
you were you still proposing nine

646
01:05:50,400 --> 01:06:00,000
affordable units or are you proposing to
use the reduction

647
01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:04,799
uh to five units at 60% AMI?
I could you clarify that for the board?

648
01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:09,680
Now I I I
remember that with a minor modification

649
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:14,160
we had to take that out because it would
have made uh we would have had to alter

650
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:18,079
the decision. Can you clarify what
you're proposing as

651
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:22,960
» we do? We do want the reduction. That's
correct.

652
01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:26,799
» He does want the reduction.
>> Okay. So, just to be clear, board, that

653
01:06:25,440 --> 01:06:32,799
would be something else. We're looking
at using our um our 60% our new 60%

654
01:06:31,039 --> 01:06:38,559
bylaw.
Uh and that would give the applicant

655
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:44,480
reduction five units at 60%. So, that
>> the original had five

656
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:49,039
original
>> uh the original has um

657
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:54,079
» four. Yeah. This is Well, this was
prior. This was a bylaw change that made

658
01:06:51,520 --> 01:06:57,079
to encourage 16%.
Um,

659
01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:05,119
I really hope I'm not hearing that less
than

660
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:12,559
that's supposed to be. Not very excited
at all that we're no longer getting our

661
01:07:07,039 --> 01:07:17,000
first 60% AMI3 but our first two 60% AMI
but well I think

662
01:07:19,119 --> 01:07:28,440
by consideration
>> so are you saying well the board we just

663
01:07:23,920 --> 01:07:28,440
as a board now remember we did

664
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:38,960
our breakdown originally to be clear
We had it was nine units

665
01:07:37,119 --> 01:07:45,760
um
with four at at 60%. That was the

666
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:53,920
original 80.
There was five nine units required.

667
01:07:49,440 --> 01:07:58,480
Five units were at 80, four units were
at at uh 60.

668
01:07:56,160 --> 01:08:01,920
» Do you remember the makeup of those
units in terms of number of bedrooms?

669
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:04,319
» We didn't do we didn't get into
bedrooms.

670
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:09,039
» Okay. And and because this was something
that the development agreement was being

671
01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:14,799
uh it was in process at the time,
bedrooms were not the the clear the

672
01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:21,839
change now for bedrooms to be clear the
um was based both on market demand and

673
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:27,440
on availability of services and in
water. Uh we changed our bylaws last

674
01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:32,880
year
uh in order to incentivize

675
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:41,839
60% units
and there's a reduction allowed

676
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:46,239
for a provision of 60% units. Now
conditions have changed and if the board

677
01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:52,000
doesn't feel that's
what they would like then so be it. But

678
01:08:49,279 --> 01:08:57,120
I think it would be no different than if
the new project came in for the what

679
01:08:54,400 --> 01:09:02,080
we'd be requiring of them. But that
that's up to you. But so far that's why

680
01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:07,759
I wanted to clarify that one point.
Uh so you heard the applicant is

681
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:13,679
proposing that it's up to them when they
do it at the second question I had uh I

682
01:09:11,600 --> 01:09:19,600
want to make sure uh we're still the
waiverss I think were for is it was for

683
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:25,440
to allow a reduction from 40 parking
spaces I believe. Um is that waiver is

684
01:09:23,839 --> 01:09:30,080
that still what you're proposing your 40
parking spaces?

685
01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:35,520
Yeah, the parking requirements should
stay the same that we're going to need

686
01:09:32,319 --> 01:09:41,799
the same waiver to keep the same we
have.

687
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:41,799
» So that waiver would remain. Um

688
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:49,239
and um
the other waiver was uh

689
01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:59,440
not many.
>> Oh um yeah. Well, then this goes back to

690
01:09:56,080 --> 01:10:07,600
the provision. Um, the waiver was for
the 1,500 square feet um

691
01:10:04,880 --> 01:10:15,760
of lot area for the density bonus. Now,
I would I mentioned remember while it's

692
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:19,600
true uh there is a a density
bonus being issued, the board is

693
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:26,320
discretionary on the board's point.
However,

694
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:34,320
um if the board, you know, um goes by
the request, it's to use our 60% AMI.

695
01:10:30,159 --> 01:10:46,000
Right now, the current breakdown is nine
units and they are four at 60% AMI and

696
01:10:41,199 --> 01:10:51,600
five at 80%. So, if the board is wants
to keep that, that's their prerogative.

697
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:56,800
the applicants requesting is 60%.
So I I think um

698
01:10:54,320 --> 01:11:00,880
» applicant is requesting five to 60%.
>> That's my understanding. That's what I

699
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:07,199
just want to clarify. Correct, Madam?
>> Yes.

700
01:11:03,440 --> 01:11:13,199
» And the previous was so we're losing uh
we we're gaining a 60% unit but we're

701
01:11:10,239 --> 01:11:16,199
losing four
80%.

702
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:26,239
At some point, can you confirm on this
36 units on what 36 units?

703
01:11:24,480 --> 01:11:29,719
» Yeah,
process size.

704
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,120
Let me see.

705
01:11:34,480 --> 01:11:38,360
I don't have that either.

706
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:57,800
Interesting.

707
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:24,280
Yeah, I have to work out.
So, I'm totally going to count still at

708
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,280
36.

709
01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:33,199
» Correct. Units 36. Now, one thing I will
note is that at the time of the

710
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:39,320
decision,
um there there was requirement for nine

711
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,320
density.

712
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:49,679
» Uh
I I honestly can't remember how we

713
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:52,560
worked out the the AMI, but I don't
remember.

714
01:12:50,320 --> 01:12:54,719
» So, I'm just reading I'm just reading
what

715
01:12:53,199 --> 01:13:01,199
» Yeah. What we decided on
>> number one here is that um that it that

716
01:12:59,440 --> 01:13:06,719
has met the requirements for density
bonus by provision

717
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:09,840
» right I don't remember how the we didn't
have a 6% requirement then I don't know

718
01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:16,239
how that I can't remember
>> I understand that so what I believe what

719
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:22,080
occurred is that the special permit it
was there was there was a voluntary

720
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:27,280
element here to have some units be at 16
right so that was the special that was

721
01:13:24,719 --> 01:13:32,719
part of meeting special.
>> Yeah.

722
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:38,480
» Um so to you we just got to period
because to then

723
01:13:36,159 --> 01:13:45,440
remove you to go down to five units is
not just a change in calculation. It's

724
01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:50,239
changing how the spec
was would justify.

725
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:56,880
No, it would change would it would
>> because the 60% units were volunteer,

726
01:13:54,960 --> 01:14:01,199
» right? We didn't have
>> That's correct. We didn't but we didn't

727
01:13:58,640 --> 01:14:02,640
have the provision in the zoning bylaw
which have been updated.

728
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:07,679
» Right.
>> So were this a new this a new project

729
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:10,320
the board had never seen before.
>> I agree with that. What you're saying is

730
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:14,880
that
>> it helps meet the special permit

731
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:17,920
criteria by providing 60%.
>> Absolutely

732
01:14:15,600 --> 01:14:23,199
» right. The 16% is yeah it was not
required to do so requirement.

733
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:31,199
» So correct in this case we would be
changing what was being presented.

734
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:37,600
» Yeah and that would not
>> correct. I I you're correct and that

735
01:14:33,520 --> 01:14:40,239
would uh for the um that would affect
waiver number one as Philip had asked

736
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,880
about.
>> Yes.

737
01:14:41,199 --> 01:14:47,040
» Would be
>> okay. So those are the waiverss. Yeah,

738
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:50,960
if you could could speak with the
applicant offline about that. Make sure

739
01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:52,480
that the math is correct and all this
>> about the waiverss.

740
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:54,800
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

741
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:57,280
» Just make sure
that it's all correct.

742
01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:01,520
» I will speak with the applicant as soon
as it's available tomorrow.

743
01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:08,080
» Yeah. Um and so we have what the board
advises to update on um site the plan

744
01:15:06,480 --> 01:15:12,159
changes.
Um

745
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:14,560
and this is the the plan here is what
the board would like to see updated.

746
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:17,040
Correct.
to the package because it's not just

747
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:19,920
this one,
>> right?

748
01:15:17,840 --> 01:15:22,920
» That's what's being what's being
presented.

749
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:31,040
» Um
>> James, you're clear with that, right?

750
01:15:28,239 --> 01:15:35,760
» Yes. Yeah. We'll go over with with Adam
and we'll

751
01:15:33,120 --> 01:15:38,760
um adjust everything that needs to be
adjusted.

752
01:15:43,440 --> 01:15:50,800
And it sounds like that
whatever zoning changes that happened in

753
01:15:48,159 --> 01:15:56,640
the last two and a half years now apply
to this. We should check all that stuff

754
01:15:53,840 --> 01:16:02,080
to make sure
new thing

755
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:08,400
for example part
is new

756
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:13,280
it or not. This is a modification. So,
you know, I don't know that you would it

757
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:16,880
would be to anybody's advantage to
depending on I guess depending on some

758
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:20,239
board's discretion, but it is the
modification of the attention keeping

759
01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:23,920
things
is similar to what the board approved a

760
01:16:21,760 --> 01:16:31,400
few years ago. But I could run through
them again for sure and look at anything

761
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:31,400
that was lingering like that. But I I

762
01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:44,080
Well, no. I would say that because what
we're saying what if you remember when

763
01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:49,360
when we're talking about what I would do
to modify this permit would be, you

764
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:55,120
know, um the
the planning board is modifying the

765
01:16:51,280 --> 01:17:01,280
original decision dated such and such.
um specifically in this area, this area,

766
01:16:58,400 --> 01:17:06,480
and this area. Uh rather than just say
and and all other conditions not

767
01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:09,840
affected by this still apply. And that's
that's how we did like the only one

768
01:17:08,159 --> 01:17:14,719
we've really done a lot of these on like
made across. And that way keeping it the

769
01:17:12,560 --> 01:17:19,760
same,
you know, it it it simplifies it. And if

770
01:17:18,000 --> 01:17:24,880
it's beneficial, then I mean the board
can change it like like you know, and

771
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:30,159
and use it. And if it in the case of uh
you know like a modification like the um

772
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:34,800
the twobedroom or like the uh I'm sorry
the 60%.

773
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:40,080
You know if it works it's the board's
discretion but um I mean if we went

774
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:44,880
through the whole zoning code and I
don't know that we find anything

775
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:49,199
specifically but we might. Um but in
this case it's reduced parking already

776
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:54,800
in the DoD. it meets the DoD
um

777
01:17:52,159 --> 01:18:00,560
reduced parking goals.
Uh but uh I can certainly give it

778
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:06,640
another look as you asked for
I would ask for consistency. So either

779
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:13,800
we apply new changes to the bylaw for
project meaning if we're going to apply

780
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:13,800
the affordable housing calculation

781
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:22,600
well it's an option application. So it's
like are you going to do you want to

782
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,600
just

783
01:18:22,719 --> 01:18:29,840
what was approved before?
If you're keeping it and adjusting A, B,

784
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:35,440
and C, do you want to adjust CB and
after? I would I would I guess have a

785
01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:40,480
little bit of
I have to think about it a lot. Start

786
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:45,280
basic matching
things that were previously approved

787
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:49,199
versus what is a new zone. I see. And
then and then of course if that was the

788
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:52,640
case then the the applicant could just
stay with his nine units as they were

789
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:57,040
approved.
>> I think you made it very complicated to

790
01:18:54,560 --> 01:19:00,480
start going through and figuring out
what's the same, what's different, what

791
01:18:58,480 --> 01:19:06,239
was the condition, what wasn't, what is,
what should be. Maybe maybe not

792
01:19:03,360 --> 01:19:10,640
depending on I think some of it could be
but some of it could be need

793
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:14,320
complicated. I I don't think but
depending on the issue you're right. Um,

794
01:19:12,719 --> 01:19:16,800
and like I said, the out manager should
stick with what he has. Maybe that's who

795
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:21,920
he wants.
>> All right. I think we have about this.

796
01:19:19,360 --> 01:19:26,480
» Um, and one other
comment I can make sure

797
01:19:24,719 --> 01:19:32,719
I asked
Silver Silverstein

798
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:37,920
to come in tonight. Um, just to give you
a base and the board had asked a couple

799
01:19:34,719 --> 01:19:43,040
times updates on um the development
agreements so we didn't have to yank

800
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:47,440
them back. uh next time. Um are there
any questions specifically for Steve? I

801
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:51,520
think you've seen that the outline is
more or less the same as the previous

802
01:19:49,679 --> 01:20:01,080
draft. The board will have an
opportunity to approve this and sign it

803
01:19:55,040 --> 01:20:01,080
and as a select board, but any questions

804
01:20:01,440 --> 01:20:08,320
can you board members that are not part
of this decision originally. Can you

805
01:20:06,080 --> 01:20:15,239
just explain
what the DA is for what it covers and

806
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:15,239
what's the statally?

807
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:29,840
Yeah, the DA is for anytime the board uh
grants a permit under uh downtown

808
01:20:26,080 --> 01:20:37,679
overlay reduced uh lot area requirement
development agreement is uh essentially

809
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:45,520
a private agreement between the town and
the developer. Purpose of it is to

810
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:53,360
ensure that um um everything from
mitigation to any um

811
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:58,800
negotiated items remain as part of the
agreement are enforcable by a civil

812
01:20:56,239 --> 01:21:03,679
action as opposed to just a land use.
It's not a it's not a zoning art. So

813
01:21:02,400 --> 01:21:09,840
it's a separate agreement. That's why
it's done separate. uh it's a

814
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:14,159
requirement uh by the um zoning by to
have it for when we use reduction

815
01:21:12,560 --> 01:21:19,280
typically when there's a reduction in
lot area there it's a give and take so

816
01:21:17,679 --> 01:21:23,840
whatever is given you want to make sure
it's memorialized

817
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:30,800
um what's typically found in that we we
try we've been trying to scale them back

818
01:21:27,679 --> 01:21:34,320
somewhat because they're not
you know we've had some really long

819
01:21:32,159 --> 01:21:38,080
development and it's just asking for
stuff to get missed

820
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:46,239
But typically what we would put in there
was any specific mitigation um um

821
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:54,719
specifics about a um
a requirement. So for example in this

822
01:21:48,880 --> 01:22:04,560
case um if there is um uh anything
pertinent that's sight specific or in um

823
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:10,480
any sort of other um mitigation that may
be called out it would be

824
01:22:07,520 --> 01:22:18,560
memorializing that something like our
our um our uh open space requirement.

825
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:22,639
This is also uh necessary under our uh
bylaws. That's something we call out

826
01:22:20,880 --> 01:22:26,239
already in the decision. So that
wouldn't be it typically because it's

827
01:22:24,320 --> 01:22:30,080
number that we revived at. It's very
simple.

828
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:35,679
So that's the gist of it. So it's
basically a private agreement between

829
01:22:32,400 --> 01:22:44,440
the town and the
uh applicant and it's uh it's different

830
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:44,440
in that it's a silly agreement. Um,

831
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:52,080
and so Steve uh had a skeleton of one
that Megan had been working on, I think,

832
01:22:50,159 --> 01:22:57,360
and it's it's basically more or less the
same. And it's different now. Okay. I

833
01:22:54,800 --> 01:23:03,960
haven't seen I don't know if the
is the seen previous of it or never seen

834
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:12,320
I mean,
but not

835
01:23:09,360 --> 01:23:19,040
» Oh, just a TA in general. Well, we have
the previous round of negotiation if you

836
01:23:16,080 --> 01:23:27,199
will took place probably the end of 2023
2024 when we resumed talking um

837
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:33,600
things in the overall environment had
changed. Uh so the intention was to make

838
01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:40,480
it more simple than it had been in 2022.
So, a bit of context. Uh, the applicant

839
01:23:37,120 --> 01:23:46,000
in 2024 had engaged with the town in
discussing some specific improvements

840
01:23:43,760 --> 01:23:52,000
that would be made at the intersection
of Waltham and Park and in discussion

841
01:23:49,920 --> 01:24:00,639
with director of public works and
planning director and myself. Um we had

842
01:23:58,239 --> 01:24:06,080
really been considering that the
applicant himself would do the

843
01:24:03,199 --> 01:24:09,760
construction uh improvements to that
intersection.

844
01:24:07,679 --> 01:24:14,639
Things have changed. You know rising
cost of materials

845
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:19,760
applicant desire to engage in work other
than work to be done on the site has

846
01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:25,280
changed. So, we figured that to make it
simple, we would just go to the planning

847
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:30,400
board rules and regulations and ask for
a monetary contribution against the

848
01:24:28,080 --> 01:24:36,080
bonus units that the town is giving to
the applicant. Um, which is quantified

849
01:24:32,719 --> 01:24:43,000
in your rules and regs. Basically
stipulates that each additional unit is

850
01:24:39,600 --> 01:24:43,000
worth $9,800.

851
01:24:43,199 --> 01:24:54,320
Includes an inflation factor of 2%. So
9,800 is indexed to FY21 or FY27. We

852
01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:58,719
increase the 9,800 to its appropriate
amount, multiply it by the 20 units.

853
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:05,280
We've arrived at a number which is
220,000. So essentially that amount will

854
01:25:02,000 --> 01:25:12,239
be given to us town and with that money
we'll make improvements to open space

855
01:25:09,360 --> 01:25:15,840
that intersection um and continuity
between

856
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:25,440
believe
to give people access to main screen

857
01:25:19,280 --> 01:25:29,080
spaces from wall from wallam and into
your intersection

858
01:25:29,280 --> 01:25:36,880
» that was what we had discussed
previously recall agreement

859
01:25:35,600 --> 01:25:41,120
sounded what
>> open space

860
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:46,719
and
>> yeah so guys we're not as far as I

861
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:53,360
understand we're not opening um any
modification discussion of the VA

862
01:25:49,199 --> 01:25:59,440
through this request
and I but it factors into my mind it's a

863
01:25:57,199 --> 01:26:02,239
democrat of a
when you have to discuss the product

864
01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:05,440
yet.
>> We're not being we're not being asked to

865
01:26:03,920 --> 01:26:09,600
modify any of that. We're just being
asked to modify

866
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:17,760
what was being discussed for some of the
site conditions. So from my point of

867
01:26:12,080 --> 01:26:24,080
view any changes to to what was proposed
prior is not up for discussion.

868
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:28,719
That's my understanding. Did I miss
something?

869
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:36,239
Well, I disagree because development
agreement is part of the requirement.

870
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:39,679
Now, we've chosen to take it post
approval when you're really supposed to

871
01:26:37,920 --> 01:26:45,679
be approved
currently.

872
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:50,560
So, I still think it's important
change.

873
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:53,960
All I'm saying is that I don't I don't
agree with that.

874
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:05,719
Well, I say

875
01:27:08,880 --> 01:27:13,000
I'm not condition that

876
01:27:19,600 --> 01:27:30,880
» it's it's we've done it both ways. It's
um there's advantages to both, but um I

877
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:35,040
mean if the reality is that the approval
requires

878
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:40,639
an agreement develop a development
agreement before the the permit is

879
01:27:37,760 --> 01:27:49,679
valid. And so
um that's pretty much as as

880
01:27:46,080 --> 01:27:55,679
direct as it can be. doesn't um
but uh in in this case, you know, look

881
01:27:53,520 --> 01:28:00,560
at the complications from this from this
project are clear. Everybody knows

882
01:27:57,520 --> 01:28:06,159
what's been going on with it and and and
the uh difficulties and try to improve

883
01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:11,920
this intersection have been and it was
been able to tackle for 20 years. It's

884
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:17,679
it's a big undertaking and um but the
development agreement is um something

885
01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:23,040
that is required by the bylaws but I
don't think it's a question of evading

886
01:28:19,520 --> 01:28:27,840
it. It's a question of sequencing it and
um if the board doesn't like it they

887
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:31,440
don't sign off on it. Um however it's
your it's your choice. you know, you can

888
01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:39,440
do it however you want, but I I would
say it right now um you know, we have a

889
01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:43,280
uh an opportunity to improve this corner
sign

890
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:46,960
and the development agreement can do
that and it needs to be negotiated and

891
01:28:45,199 --> 01:28:52,800
needs some time to do it. Fine. If the
board,

892
01:28:49,600 --> 01:29:00,080
you know, feels circumstances changed
since their last approval,

893
01:28:56,480 --> 01:29:03,440
but um it uh I think the only reason I
brought Steve in was not to open it and

894
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:08,320
not to give any sort of sense of
opening. It was to give some

895
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:14,719
transparency that here's what the story
is right now. Also, I would point out

896
01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:22,800
that the board has um in the past
uh typically worked with you know um

897
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:26,639
worked with the development at least one
member or something like that together.

898
01:29:25,120 --> 01:29:30,880
Um,
so far as significant change, what was

899
01:29:28,719 --> 01:29:35,440
poor? That's something I
>> Well, let's clarify, you categorized it

900
01:29:33,120 --> 01:29:39,679
as if the circumstances have changed,
then the board was to change their mind

901
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:42,080
if appropriate.
>> Yes.

902
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:48,400
» The terms of the development agreement
are changing. That's what's changing.

903
01:29:44,080 --> 01:29:54,320
» Well, there it wasn't ex
intent of the development agreement as

904
01:29:50,480 --> 01:30:00,000
we had understood it has changed. How's
that going? What particular?

905
01:29:56,320 --> 01:30:05,199
» Well, if the funds are being given to
specifically improve that intersection,

906
01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:10,239
» then that's different than the funds
being given to generally improve

907
01:30:07,600 --> 01:30:14,719
pedestrian experiences in spaces in the
town.

908
01:30:10,480 --> 01:30:16,239
» Oh. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I'm I can't speak
to that.

909
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:21,600
» I know you can.
>> Right. Right. But but I I understand

910
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:24,800
the legal counsel to see if that needs
to be stipulated in the development

911
01:30:23,360 --> 01:30:30,159
agreement which I don't think it does.
It doesn't really concern the

912
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:33,920
» for sure to to be clear to the applicant
right now.

913
01:30:31,920 --> 01:30:37,440
I guess this is maybe an internal
conversation.

914
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:41,520
I just want to make sure that if the
intent of the improvements near the

915
01:30:40,080 --> 01:30:44,960
project are to improve that
intersection,

916
01:30:42,800 --> 01:30:48,719
» that's what I want to happen. And we
have struggled with this in the past

917
01:30:46,560 --> 01:30:51,440
with development agreements. So if
there's a way to make it actually

918
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:56,080
happen, that would be great. And I don't
think saying improvement of pedestrian

919
01:30:53,120 --> 01:30:59,719
experience is going to do it. So maybe
we can figure something.

920
01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:07,360
The special permit application says
clearly that the project will provide

921
01:31:05,520 --> 01:31:15,280
pedestrian enhancements include ADA
ramped signals crosswalk

922
01:31:11,040 --> 01:31:20,639
for the wall street inter
that was all discussed plans were

923
01:31:17,040 --> 01:31:26,000
provided that would accomplish that
right so so that's that's the bar and if

924
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:29,239
that needs to be changed
that needs

925
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:45,199
So, um, all that said, I think obviously
we need to find a continued state. Um,

926
01:31:40,960 --> 01:31:50,800
uh, Adam and James, uh, we have, let's
see, we have meetings in

927
01:31:48,639 --> 01:31:56,800
the second and fourth Tuesday of
September, which I believe is September

928
01:31:53,600 --> 01:32:02,800
8th, and the following two weeks after
that. So that is September 8th and the

929
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:08,239
22nd. Those are for the upcoming. Do you
have a sense of when you may be able to

930
01:32:06,560 --> 01:32:11,239
finish off the changes discussed
tonight?

931
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:18,080
» Yeah, we'll be ready for September 8th
for sure.

932
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:27,280
» Okay. I just want to clarify
that and I'll confer with Adam um that

933
01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:36,520
the lighting plans and the other plans
Are we just noting or are we having them

934
01:32:33,520 --> 01:32:36,520
re-engineered?

935
01:32:38,719 --> 01:32:48,080
In my opinion, you just need to see a
plan that shows accurate,

936
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:53,199
shows accurate building,
you know, shows everything and we will

937
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:59,239
actually be able to accurately know what
it's going to look like.

938
01:32:54,719 --> 01:32:59,239
» Yep. clouds to show.

939
01:32:59,360 --> 01:33:03,400
I think News.

940
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:35,520
So I you guys have two options in the
game plan or make it abund

941
01:33:32,880 --> 01:33:44,159
with um with
what the proposal changes are and either

942
01:33:40,000 --> 01:33:48,120
one of the board will review.
>> We'll make it clear for you.

943
01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:57,840
» All right. Um,
now you said September 8th. Just be

944
01:33:55,520 --> 01:34:05,120
aware that's two weeks from tonight. So
then we would need we would need see

945
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:08,719
something in about a week.
>> Yes.

946
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:18,120
» So that staff has time to review. So we
need to see submitts by September 3rd.

947
01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:18,120
» September 3rd.

948
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:25,440
Um, well, September 1st is Tuesday. We
need a week typically.

949
01:34:23,280 --> 01:34:29,040
» Okay. So, the first Okay.
>> Right. So, you Is that still your final

950
01:34:27,440 --> 01:34:33,679
answer? September 8th.
>> Yes.

951
01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:37,280
» Right. I'll make a motion to continue.
Oh, sorry. Um, I'll open up for public

952
01:34:35,679 --> 01:34:41,440
comment.
Um, Bill, can you check online if

953
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:46,480
there's anyone online that would like
your public comment for tonight? Let's

954
01:34:43,840 --> 01:34:53,600
see. Noting that there are no folks
standing public comments here in the

955
01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:58,159
room, we will then go to online.
>> If anyone call comments be entered,

956
01:34:55,760 --> 01:35:01,320
please raise use hand feature or raise
your hand.

957
01:35:06,480 --> 01:35:15,199
Um, and Bill, I'm not seeing any hands
being raised online either for public

958
01:35:11,600 --> 01:35:15,199
comment. Is that correct?

959
01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:26,120
No, I don't have any.
>> All right. Then I will make a motion to

960
01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:26,120
continue to September 8th at 7.

961
01:35:26,239 --> 01:35:33,840
» Thank you.
>> That's been seconded. All in favor for

962
01:35:30,400 --> 01:35:37,360
the continuence, please raise your hand
to continue.

963
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:40,000
Thank you gentlemen for coming in. Amy,
thank you for your time.

964
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:43,920
» Thank you.
>> Thank you. Great. Thank you.

965
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:48,600
Let's turn to one meeting.

966
01:35:50,560 --> 01:35:56,600
» Yes, set on August 11. Very long.

967
01:35:58,080 --> 01:36:01,320
» They're modact.

968
01:36:14,239 --> 01:36:18,280
That was a wing. That one

969
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:26,920
minutes of August 11.
All in favor, please

970
01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:35,239
update. Um, well,

971
01:36:37,600 --> 01:36:48,560
I believe that uh on our next
I planned on bringing our um

972
01:36:46,080 --> 01:36:55,119
I'm going to pull one more
for our zoning based on some recent

973
01:36:51,360 --> 01:37:01,360
changes. Uh so uh I'll explain that next
week at the our next um

974
01:36:59,119 --> 01:37:07,040
meeting. But in a nutshell, it's our
data center. We were going to have the

975
01:37:03,199 --> 01:37:13,920
ban of it. I think it is more rework.
>> I spoke to Bill about this. Um I think

976
01:37:10,239 --> 01:37:19,040
it's important to be thoughtful
time around because I'm so

977
01:37:18,239 --> 01:37:24,320
thoughtful about it.
>> Right. Um and the the other things,

978
01:37:22,159 --> 01:37:30,639
let's see, we have uh we're finalizing
the ADA update. Uh I think Friday is

979
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:36,400
supposed to be the last visit. Um,
that would be good. Um, and um, let me

980
01:37:34,159 --> 01:37:44,239
think if I'm missing anything else. We
have, uh, new benches going in thanks to

981
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:51,040
Steve on the rail trail. Um, which were,
um, has to be have to be approved. Oh,

982
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:59,480
right. Okay. He's got the they're going
to town meeting, this town meeting to be

983
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:59,480
approved by CPC, CPC budget. So,

984
01:37:59,760 --> 01:38:11,360
from that border to
um the corner with Brooks and Maple SL

985
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:16,159
three sites roughly along the same lines
as the the mile markers.

986
01:38:13,119 --> 01:38:20,560
» Great. So proportional
and that's not thanks to me. That's

987
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:27,080
thanks to resident David Brown who
advocated for it and the CPC their

988
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:27,080
wisdom saw fit too.

989
01:38:27,199 --> 01:38:33,960
» That was in the mobility survey, right?
For sure. They need more.

990
01:38:35,440 --> 01:38:40,800
» That's right. Well, they're going out to
expect the area on on Friday. That's

991
01:38:38,719 --> 01:38:48,480
what we did. The other thing which does
include uh Mr. turns off uh which was

992
01:38:45,040 --> 01:38:52,239
good. We are going to talk I talked to
uh the affordable housing trust chair

993
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:59,040
today
and um so we would like to um he

994
01:38:55,840 --> 01:39:05,440
reiterated that we would like to see if
we can work with the AHT the portal

995
01:39:01,520 --> 01:39:09,679
housing trust on um implementing we'll
see some of the new uh initiatives that

996
01:39:07,199 --> 01:39:13,280
come out of the uh housing production
plan updates and maybe because we're

997
01:39:11,600 --> 01:39:19,360
limited in what we can do now with the
water and stuff. So, we agreed that a

998
01:39:15,600 --> 01:39:24,639
closer collaboration with our our our um
our our groups would be beneficial and

999
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:30,400
could come up with some innovative
um some innovative strategies on a very

1000
01:39:27,679 --> 01:39:36,080
small scale, but using uh there's some
budgets of funding available and um

1001
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:40,800
maybe come up with something that works
forwarding our affordable housing goals.

1002
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:46,480
So, I thought that was really exciting
and um

1003
01:39:43,920 --> 01:39:50,320
I think that's everything I got. Zoe's
going to attend our next planning board

1004
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:54,239
meeting. I I've asked her to handle the
zoning articles to keep trying to get

1005
01:39:52,239 --> 01:39:59,280
her some experience with that and stuff.
So, I'm going to have her um when we uh

1006
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:06,080
next uh in next meeting, I'm going to
have Zoe run the zoning part anyway,

1007
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:11,280
zoning this part and care of the uh
projects.

1008
01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:17,719
And I think that's all I got.
We have um

1009
01:40:14,719 --> 01:40:17,719
regulations.

1010
01:40:20,159 --> 01:40:26,800
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Chris can Chris you can meet with

1011
01:40:24,239 --> 01:40:32,320
Zoe on that right or you're going to you
have the

1012
01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:38,880
» I'm meeting with Zoe about best stuff
right and then the the but the ex you're

1013
01:40:35,199 --> 01:40:45,119
talking about the expedited or the
uh what do you call consolidated

1014
01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:52,400
permitting for for energy systems yet
we're we're in the middle of that now

1015
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:52,400
» yeah we have a grant for that's

1016
01:40:56,400 --> 01:41:01,840
more exciting than that. There's nothing
more.

1017
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:06,560
» All right. Well,
subdivision.

1018
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:10,719
Oh, yeah. That's that I have to pin that
on Wayne. Still, they're not going to

1019
01:41:09,199 --> 01:41:13,840
have it until the spring.
>> Okay. So, we're not we're not going to

1020
01:41:12,639 --> 01:41:17,639
be
>> No. And I'm No.

1021
01:41:18,880 --> 01:41:21,600
» No.

1022
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:34,239
Good point.
16 street.

1023
01:41:30,080 --> 01:41:39,440
» Yeah. Who is working on that? Is it the
five bus

1024
01:41:37,199 --> 01:41:42,600
involved? Who's going to be who's going
to have

1025
01:41:44,000 --> 01:41:58,040
I have my minutes? Um if anybody
has anybody 16 Waltham has we've had uh

1026
01:41:54,159 --> 01:41:58,040
» we had we had

1027
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:06,360
» two meetings
>> I don't think

1028
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:13,119
no
did we

1029
01:42:11,520 --> 01:42:18,960
just
>> I just want to make sure when we do act

1030
01:42:16,320 --> 01:42:23,480
Well, yeah. Or or if in doubt, we mowing
whoever's not in they watch the movie.

1031
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:27,960
That's not funny.

1032
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:35,800
The video. All right. Sorry. The talking
pictures they watch.

1033
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:45,119
That's not right. Were there questions
that the neighbor and powder mill raised

1034
01:42:42,960 --> 01:42:50,480
about this building that
>> I don't think we talk about the opinion

1035
01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:55,679
» but we we closed or we continue the
hearing so we can't really talk about

1036
01:42:54,159 --> 01:42:58,400
you talk
>> okay

1037
01:42:56,639 --> 01:43:04,080
» can't talk specifics but what I can say
is in general

1038
01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:06,080
board members can review the comments
roll it into their consideration how

1039
01:43:05,679 --> 01:43:13,000
they go
>> I'll be happy to talk

1040
01:43:08,320 --> 01:43:13,000
meeting we told the public

1041
01:43:13,040 --> 01:43:20,239
I'll answer anything
we open it up for public comments or for

1042
01:43:18,239 --> 01:43:28,880
public comments those can be provided as
well but do you and board members have

1043
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:36,080
um I personally I I typically don't
um any we just we just hear comments you

1044
01:43:32,080 --> 01:43:38,639
know I don't make effort
it's up to

1045
01:43:42,719 --> 01:43:47,639
And that is everything we have folks.

1046
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:53,960
» I'll make a motion to close
second

1047
01:43:55,679 --> 01:44:04,520
to close the time.
Okay.

1048
01:43:59,119 --> 01:44:04,520
» Thank you. Thanks, guys. Good meeting.