1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:04,240 like to call this meeting to order. 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:08,639 So, let's start with roll call. 3 00:00:08,639 --> 00:00:11,599 >> Council member Walter 4 00:00:11,599 --> 00:00:12,719 >> present. 5 00:00:12,719 --> 00:00:14,799 >> Council member Husco here. Council 6 00:00:14,799 --> 00:00:16,000 member Flynn 7 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:16,960 >> present. 8 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:19,359 >> Vice Mayor Huy. 9 00:00:19,359 --> 00:00:20,320 >> Mayor Taylor 10 00:00:20,320 --> 00:00:20,720 >> present. 11 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:21,760 >> We have a quorum. 12 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,400 >> Thank you. All right. The next item on 13 00:00:24,400 --> 00:00:26,640 the agenda is oral communication. So, 14 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:28,560 this is an opportunity for the public to 15 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:30,800 speak on anything that's not on 16 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:32,800 tonight's agenda. So, if you're here to 17 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,520 speak to the Hawthornes, this is not the 18 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:37,360 time. But if there's anything else you 19 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:38,559 want to speak to that's not the 20 00:00:38,559 --> 00:00:41,040 Hawthorne, this is the time. So, does 21 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:42,960 anybody have any oral communications for 22 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:44,719 the council? 23 00:00:44,719 --> 00:00:46,320 All right. So, with that, I will close 24 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:48,320 oral communications and move to the 25 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:50,239 regular agenda. 26 00:00:50,239 --> 00:00:56,150 So, Sarah, you have a staff report? 27 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:58,719 » Yes. Good evening, town council. So I'm 28 00:00:58,719 --> 00:01:00,239 Sarah Kors, planning building director 29 00:01:00,239 --> 00:01:02,000 for the town of Prol Valley. I have a 30 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:04,640 brief present walkthrough. You just give 31 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:25,910 me one second to share my screen. 32 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,479 » Perfect. Thank you. So, I'm here to 33 00:01:28,479 --> 00:01:30,240 provide information and receive 34 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,920 direction on the potential future town 35 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,560 work plan for the Hawthorne's area plan. 36 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:36,479 So, I wanted to orient everyone to the 37 00:01:36,479 --> 00:01:37,920 area that we're talking about. We're 38 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,360 talking about the Hawthorne's area, 39 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,759 which is generally on the eastern side 40 00:01:41,759 --> 00:01:44,720 of the town of Portulla Valley. 41 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,600 Zooming in, this property is located 42 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:48,960 primarily near the intersection of 43 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:53,830 Portola Road and Alpine Road. 44 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:55,040 So, a bit of background on the 45 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:57,200 Hawthorne's area plan and property. In 46 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,520 2011, it was gifted to Mid Peninsula 47 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:01,920 Regional Open Space District or as we 48 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,600 call it, Midpen. In 2021, there was a 49 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,600 public access planning process that 50 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:09,520 began. It was essentially the initiation 51 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,400 of the Hawthorne's area plan. In June of 52 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,959 2023, there was a public access working 53 00:02:14,959 --> 00:02:17,280 group formed that we know of as POG. 54 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,319 they were initiated to further 55 00:02:20,319 --> 00:02:23,840 analyze or work through access related 56 00:02:23,840 --> 00:02:26,800 to the site or the area. In October of 57 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:28,319 2024, 58 00:02:28,319 --> 00:02:30,400 AUGs recommendations were presented at a 59 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:32,160 town council meeting here during a 60 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,040 feedback session. And then lastly, in 61 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,160 May of 2026, the Midpen board approved 62 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:40,720 the Hawthorne's area plan action table 63 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:42,800 and schematic parking designs as the 64 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,400 basis for the project description to 65 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:46,319 conduct SQA. So there are a few 66 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:47,840 different nuances related to the 67 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:49,760 schematic designs, but I just like to 68 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:51,760 point out the two that uh are the 69 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:54,480 primary designs that have been shown and 70 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:57,040 approved by the board. So in general, 71 00:02:57,040 --> 00:02:59,440 the schematic designs include loop 72 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:02,560 trails as well as a parking lot near 73 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:05,200 Portal Road and Alpine Road. So some of 74 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,760 the designs or schematic designs include 75 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:09,840 access to the parking lot that's taken 76 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:12,159 from an existing driveway. And another 77 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:14,800 schematic design also shows access to 78 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:17,040 the parking lot taken from Portal Road 79 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,159 and Alpine Road near that intersection 80 00:03:20,159 --> 00:03:22,800 plan that has been discussed. Um when we 81 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:24,720 talk about the Hawthorne's area plan, 82 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:26,319 when we consider the Hawthorne's area 83 00:03:26,319 --> 00:03:29,040 plan as a project, as of right now, no 84 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:31,040 permit applications have been submitted 85 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:34,319 to the town. We are aware that Midpen is 86 00:03:34,319 --> 00:03:36,879 looking to start the SQA environmental 87 00:03:36,879 --> 00:03:40,480 review potentially 2027 and that the 88 00:03:40,480 --> 00:03:42,720 town would be a SQA responsible agency 89 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:44,640 as well. 90 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:46,480 So we're primarily here tonight partly 91 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:47,599 because there have been a lot of 92 00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:49,280 different questions as well as interest 93 00:03:49,280 --> 00:03:52,400 related to Hawthorne's area and what is 94 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:53,840 potential work that could be done 95 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,959 related to uh this area and the work 96 00:03:56,959 --> 00:03:59,360 that Midpen has been doing. So staff did 97 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,640 some initial look at what is work that 98 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,040 staff could do and we'll present four 99 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:07,360 just potential options that we initially 100 00:04:07,360 --> 00:04:09,680 would like to present to you tonight and 101 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:11,840 have a discussion around those. And I'd 102 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,360 like to just point out that these are 103 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:15,040 just initial options. There would have 104 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:17,199 to be additional scope and budget 105 00:04:17,199 --> 00:04:19,759 attached to these. So it's a high level 106 00:04:19,759 --> 00:04:22,240 consideration of potential staff work 107 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:24,720 related to Hawthorne's area. So the 108 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,880 first one is looking at potential SQA 109 00:04:26,880 --> 00:04:28,639 project engagement work. So this would 110 00:04:28,639 --> 00:04:29,840 include retaining environmental 111 00:04:29,840 --> 00:04:31,520 consultant to support staff and legal 112 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,360 counsel as well as commenting on the 113 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,360 notice of preparation and the draft or 114 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:37,440 final EIR. 115 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,080 The second thing related to this area 116 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:41,759 and potential work would be the open 117 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:44,240 space element and associated zoning 118 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,639 regulations. So, as of now, the town is 119 00:04:46,639 --> 00:04:49,040 overdue for an update to the open space 120 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,280 element. And as part of the open space 121 00:04:51,280 --> 00:04:53,120 element update, there could also be 122 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,440 additional rules and regulations to look 123 00:04:55,440 --> 00:04:58,320 at, including adopting parking access or 124 00:04:58,320 --> 00:05:01,440 grading standards along with that. 125 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,120 In addition to that, there could be an 126 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,040 option of a negotiated agreement with 127 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:07,919 Midpen. So, this could maybe be modeled 128 00:05:07,919 --> 00:05:10,240 on the 1980 Windy Hill Limited 129 00:05:10,240 --> 00:05:12,880 Development Agreement. And this 130 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:14,160 agreement could look at more 131 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,320 holistically studying parking across 132 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:18,080 Windy Hill as well as the Hawthorne's 133 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:21,039 area. So the midpen properties 134 00:05:21,039 --> 00:05:23,199 and lastly there could be work related 135 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:25,759 to conservation easement enforcement. I 136 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:27,840 will point out that the town has no 137 00:05:27,840 --> 00:05:30,080 standing to enforce the easement because 138 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,240 it's not through the town. But there 139 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:33,520 could be an opportunity where the 140 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,080 Peninsula Open Space Trust or PUS P post 141 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,400 sorry um could act or assign the rights. 142 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:42,479 Okay. So those are the four main options 143 00:05:42,479 --> 00:05:44,160 when we're looking at that. Just want to 144 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,759 call out the budget considerations with 145 00:05:45,759 --> 00:05:47,919 these actions. So right now there is no 146 00:05:47,919 --> 00:05:49,840 budget currently assigned for work 147 00:05:49,840 --> 00:05:51,840 related to the Hawthorne's area uh in 148 00:05:51,840 --> 00:05:55,680 the 2026 to 2027 fiscal year. And 149 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,880 current work is limited uh you know 150 00:05:58,880 --> 00:06:00,160 considering what staff is doing right 151 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,800 now. currently limited um until until 152 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:04,880 additional budget author authorization 153 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,520 is made and then based on tonight and 154 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:09,680 council direction staff will return with 155 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:11,520 the proposed scope of work budget and 156 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,400 staffing needs. Well, so the 157 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:16,639 consideration we're looking at is should 158 00:06:16,639 --> 00:06:19,120 staff pursue one of the four work plan 159 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,199 areas and if there is consideration of 160 00:06:23,199 --> 00:06:25,199 like a priority preference of these four 161 00:06:25,199 --> 00:06:27,440 different areas that we discussed as 162 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,680 well 163 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:31,199 and that concludes my presentation. 164 00:06:31,199 --> 00:06:33,840 Thank you. 165 00:06:33,840 --> 00:06:36,400 >> Thank you Shar. Are there clarifying 166 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:41,510 questions for Sarah? 167 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,360 Anybody other side? 168 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:44,080 >> I do. 169 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:45,360 >> Okay, please go ahead. 170 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:50,960 >> Um can you clarify the SQUA um option? 171 00:06:50,960 --> 00:06:52,639 Um 172 00:06:52,639 --> 00:06:54,639 for example, [clears throat] 173 00:06:54,639 --> 00:06:57,759 if we pursued that, 174 00:06:57,759 --> 00:07:00,560 can we there are certain points in time 175 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,360 where the town can respond. 176 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,800 Um would we need a SQA consultant for 177 00:07:06,800 --> 00:07:11,520 those or or is the town able to submit 178 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,319 comments without a a specific SQA 179 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:16,319 consultant. 180 00:07:16,319 --> 00:07:17,759 >> Might also look to our town manager as 181 00:07:17,759 --> 00:07:19,039 well to assist because I know she is 182 00:07:19,039 --> 00:07:21,039 very wellversed in the SQA process. Um 183 00:07:21,039 --> 00:07:22,639 but I believe there would be the ability 184 00:07:22,639 --> 00:07:24,880 to hire a consultant. Um but I'll I'll 185 00:07:24,880 --> 00:07:26,400 also have her provide a little bit more 186 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:27,599 context as well. 187 00:07:27,599 --> 00:07:29,120 >> Yes. And with that, I also want to 188 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:30,880 introduce our legal counsel for this 189 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,880 item, Miss Mr. Bill Celigman. 190 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,800 Fun fact about him, we go way back to 191 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,560 the 90s. He's very esteemed. Um, our 192 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,319 recommendation is that we would need to 193 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:44,800 hire a consultant. This is a very 194 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:46,560 specialized SQA document, very 195 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,400 extensive, and the town would be best 196 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:50,560 served by having a skilled consultant to 197 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:56,710 assist us. 198 00:07:56,720 --> 00:08:04,070 » Other questions, Rebecca? 199 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,440 » Great. Thank you, Judy. Yeah, I I think 200 00:08:07,440 --> 00:08:10,160 we got to take a step up to like orient 201 00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:13,280 me at least. Like this has been going on 202 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,360 for a long time. There are five steps. 203 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,479 We're at step number four. And I am a 204 00:08:18,479 --> 00:08:20,879 little confused how one can get to this 205 00:08:20,879 --> 00:08:25,360 point without our having input or 206 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,319 conversations. We have had participation 207 00:08:28,319 --> 00:08:31,039 in meetings through the POG, but is this 208 00:08:31,039 --> 00:08:34,479 pretty typical process to get all the 209 00:08:34,479 --> 00:08:37,360 way to SQUA where frankly if we find out 210 00:08:37,360 --> 00:08:39,919 we have issues 211 00:08:39,919 --> 00:08:42,240 seems more costly. I'm curious about 212 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:46,480 where the process 213 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:48,240 who wants to take that [clears throat] I 214 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,160 would just clarify the process so far. I 215 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,360 mean it's been through MIDI pen pog and 216 00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:54,720 some of the work that they've done those 217 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:56,480 have always been open meetings they do 218 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,360 have a board the schematic designs were 219 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:00,880 presented to the board so there's been 220 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:03,839 opportunity if you look at from an 221 00:09:03,839 --> 00:09:06,320 individual community member perspective 222 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,600 to attend and provide feedback and then 223 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:11,760 there was also the 2024 presentation to 224 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,000 town council where there was an initial 225 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,440 presentation on the recommendations 226 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,800 which I believe started to point to the 227 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:20,560 uh development of the different 228 00:09:20,560 --> 00:09:22,160 alternatives, but I have to go back to 229 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,080 that staff report specifically. 230 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,959 >> Right. My question is different. It's is 231 00:09:26,959 --> 00:09:30,640 it typical that a town having a similar 232 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:34,000 project in it gets to this point without 233 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,120 having more substantive participation 234 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:40,640 directly? Is that pretty typical? 235 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:44,000 >> I would say it depends on the project 236 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:46,720 specifically. I would be unsure for this 237 00:09:46,720 --> 00:09:50,080 type of project. Um I I you know 238 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:51,600 speaking from experience most of our 239 00:09:51,600 --> 00:09:53,839 projects are single family homes or 240 00:09:53,839 --> 00:09:55,680 smaller development like that and our 241 00:09:55,680 --> 00:09:57,279 engagement really doesn't happen until 242 00:09:57,279 --> 00:09:59,519 it becomes an actual application. 243 00:09:59,519 --> 00:10:02,560 >> We encourage maybe pre-applications or 244 00:10:02,560 --> 00:10:04,240 discussions with for example our 245 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:05,440 architectural and site control 246 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,640 commission but there and those you know 247 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:10,399 it's a different example. So I think 248 00:10:10,399 --> 00:10:12,240 this is a very unique project and 249 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:13,839 circumstance for this town right now 250 00:10:13,839 --> 00:10:15,839 >> for for us. I understand that. Although 251 00:10:15,839 --> 00:10:18,399 we did have Windy Hill um a long time 252 00:10:18,399 --> 00:10:24,630 ago now. Um All right. 253 00:10:24,640 --> 00:10:26,320 I don't know if it's appropriate for me 254 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,200 to ask Mr. Seligman 255 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:31,600 since you have been in this space for a 256 00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:37,030 while to comment on that. 257 00:10:37,040 --> 00:10:38,640 » Assuming I'm answering the same 258 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:45,110 question. Yes. 259 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:47,519 How's this? Is that much better? Yeah, I 260 00:10:47,519 --> 00:10:49,600 can hear myself now. Okay. 261 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:53,200 >> Uh yes. Uh you know, it it certainly 262 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,000 varies from uh community to community. 263 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:58,000 There's would be nothing to stop you 264 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,000 from a legal standpoint from having 265 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:02,880 input uh and engagement earlier in the 266 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,160 process. Um but you know, that depends 267 00:11:06,160 --> 00:11:09,279 on resource allocation and the and uh 268 00:11:09,279 --> 00:11:11,120 the nature of your relationship. 269 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,720 >> Okay. Thank you. That's helpful. And um 270 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,040 in terms of 271 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:19,839 the four options, 272 00:11:19,839 --> 00:11:23,760 I mean the the general theme is I think 273 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,399 what input can the town have into the 274 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:29,839 project? Like like these are options 275 00:11:29,839 --> 00:11:31,040 because I want to make sure we're 276 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:32,399 focused on what we're trying to solve 277 00:11:32,399 --> 00:11:37,120 for. And to me, the negotiated agreement 278 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:40,079 presumes that is it really focused on 279 00:11:40,079 --> 00:11:44,000 the parking only like that's an issue we 280 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,560 think we need to solve for and is it 281 00:11:46,560 --> 00:11:49,360 focused on that or cuz to me there's 282 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:53,279 like SQA we might get into differences 283 00:11:53,279 --> 00:11:56,640 of opinion on sufficiency open space we 284 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,680 can talk about regulation and zoning um 285 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:02,480 conservation easement I get the point on 286 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:04,480 it's we're not a party to it, but the 287 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,639 negotiated agreement kind of presumes 288 00:12:06,639 --> 00:12:08,560 that there's something to negotiate. And 289 00:12:08,560 --> 00:12:13,590 I'm a little confused what that ask is. 290 00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:15,440 I think with that one, we're identifying 291 00:12:15,440 --> 00:12:18,240 if if there's work there, an agreement 292 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:21,519 could be a solution depending on the 293 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:24,000 desire or approach with the town. I 294 00:12:24,000 --> 00:12:25,279 think that's also what we're receiving 295 00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:27,360 feedback on is what what is the 296 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:29,440 approach. But if there's 297 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:31,440 >> concern of parking or parking not being 298 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,399 studied holistically or looking at are 299 00:12:34,399 --> 00:12:37,200 there alternatives that that could be an 300 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,680 approach from that lens is looking at an 301 00:12:39,680 --> 00:12:41,200 agreement and there's been a similar one 302 00:12:41,200 --> 00:12:41,680 done. 303 00:12:41,680 --> 00:12:43,600 >> Great. So, so I if I think about it 304 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,000 right, you're we both want to comment on 305 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:47,680 if that's something to look at and then 306 00:12:47,680 --> 00:12:50,000 we have the ability to inform you what 307 00:12:50,000 --> 00:12:52,240 we think that ought to focus on now or 308 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:54,240 later. Like you're looking for both or 309 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:58,160 are we limited to commenting on parking? 310 00:12:58,160 --> 00:13:01,200 >> I'm open to council's feedback on the 311 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:01,839 direction. 312 00:13:01,839 --> 00:13:04,240 >> Super. Thank you. That's it. 313 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:08,230 >> Thank you, Mary. 314 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:14,870 » I'm fine. No questions. Great. Ellen, 315 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,279 » thank you for this presentation. Um, so 316 00:13:17,279 --> 00:13:19,600 for clarification, 317 00:13:19,600 --> 00:13:23,600 um, for the four areas of town work, 318 00:13:23,600 --> 00:13:27,680 do we get to pick one? Do we get to pick 319 00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:30,639 multiple? Like, and obviously they'd 320 00:13:30,639 --> 00:13:33,120 cost more. Do we need to prioritize? 321 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,790 Like 322 00:13:36,800 --> 00:13:39,200 » I mean the last slide there was kind of 323 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:41,519 the two options. it was which one do you 324 00:13:41,519 --> 00:13:42,720 have a preference for to work on but 325 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,160 also is there a priority and I if we 326 00:13:46,160 --> 00:13:48,639 can't come to a decision tonight I I 327 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:50,800 think the followup is doing additional 328 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:52,720 research on what would staff time be and 329 00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:54,959 what would the budget be and then that 330 00:13:54,959 --> 00:13:57,440 might provide clarity and something it 331 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:59,839 might be difficult to decide exactly the 332 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:01,680 budget but if we can have some general 333 00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:04,959 idea of the interest of uh like what 334 00:14:04,959 --> 00:14:06,639 council member Hasco brought up if if 335 00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:08,320 the interest is the agreement related to 336 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:10,480 parking that we could consider what that 337 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:12,480 would look like. The open space element 338 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:15,680 is something the town should be doing 339 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:17,920 eventually anyways and it would probably 340 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,320 be good to also have a general idea of 341 00:14:20,320 --> 00:14:22,720 staff time and cost for that too, but it 342 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,120 could also relate u to this area as 343 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,320 well. Um and do we have any obviously 344 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:31,120 SQUA probably being the most you know 345 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,079 consultant being the most expensive. Um 346 00:14:34,079 --> 00:14:36,480 do we have any sense of what we think 347 00:14:36,480 --> 00:14:38,720 would be more expensive versus less 348 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:43,120 expensive and uh you know as 349 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,199 you know we're in a deficit. We know 350 00:14:45,199 --> 00:14:49,360 we're in a deficit um for open space 351 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:51,040 element and zoning regs versus 352 00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,480 negotiated agreement. 353 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,000 I don't have an opinion at the moment 354 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,000 about the cost right now. So I I'm 355 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,519 unsure and that would be something we'd 356 00:14:59,519 --> 00:15:00,560 have to look at. 357 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:05,360 >> Okay. Um, and if we were to prioritize 358 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,839 say negotiate agreement agreement based 359 00:15:07,839 --> 00:15:11,600 on um, uh, 360 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:15,760 Council Member Hosco, um, we could still 361 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:19,120 down the road weigh in on the SQA, I'm 362 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:23,990 assuming, right? 363 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,000 Well, we can always weigh in on SQA. I 364 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,680 think what you're hearing us ask is 365 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,720 should we scope this quite robustly in 366 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:32,639 the sense of getting a consultant making 367 00:15:32,639 --> 00:15:34,320 sure we have adequate funding for legal 368 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:37,760 review that would be a sort of you know 369 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,880 from a small medium large that's what 370 00:15:40,880 --> 00:15:44,079 we're presenting tonight with those cons 371 00:15:44,079 --> 00:15:47,360 with that added um support is like an a 372 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:48,959 large 373 00:15:48,959 --> 00:15:51,759 something scaled back would be simpler 374 00:15:51,759 --> 00:15:56,000 perhaps not um encompass all the 375 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:57,360 concerns that we've heard from the 376 00:15:57,360 --> 00:15:58,880 community or may hear from council or 377 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,040 the planning commission ultimately um 378 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:05,279 but you could point us in a range of 379 00:16:05,279 --> 00:16:07,360 options and I would emphasize that SQA 380 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,480 is the one where the the the work is 381 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,279 starting right we know that the that the 382 00:16:13,279 --> 00:16:15,759 midpen board awarded the contract 383 00:16:15,759 --> 00:16:18,160 selected a consultant staff met with 384 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:20,240 midpen staff this week and we were told 385 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,600 that um the process is moving along but 386 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:25,040 that they will not be issuing between 387 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:27,519 what is considered the first step in the 388 00:16:27,519 --> 00:16:29,199 SQL process, which is a notice of 389 00:16:29,199 --> 00:16:32,320 preparation until 2027. 390 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,480 But I would emphasize that if the town 391 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,880 has to go and retain a consultant, we 392 00:16:36,880 --> 00:16:39,600 have to issue an RFP, select someone, 393 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:41,440 and probably get a contract to you. So, 394 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:44,800 it's a three or four month process. And 395 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:46,160 that assumes you want to allocate the 396 00:16:46,160 --> 00:16:48,079 budget for it, too. 397 00:16:48,079 --> 00:16:49,839 So some things may take longer to 398 00:16:49,839 --> 00:16:52,000 onboard whereas an agreement that's I 399 00:16:52,000 --> 00:16:53,120 mean and the other thing with an 400 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,639 agreement is it it requires the other 401 00:16:54,639 --> 00:17:00,800 party obviously to engage. So you could say explore that but it may 402 00:17:00,800 --> 00:17:03,120 not be viable depending on the other 403 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,400 party involved. So I I suggest that you 404 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:08,880 maybe look at prioritization here and 405 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:11,039 give us some guidance in terms of 406 00:17:11,039 --> 00:17:14,079 robustness of it if you will because 407 00:17:14,079 --> 00:17:16,079 they're not mutually exclusive. We just 408 00:17:16,079 --> 00:17:19,199 need direction to 409 00:17:19,199 --> 00:17:21,839 uh to allow Sarah and her team to focus 410 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:24,799 her efforts in the next month or two. 411 00:17:24,799 --> 00:17:27,360 >> Great. Thanks. Okay. Other question. Um 412 00:17:27,360 --> 00:17:29,600 in terms of the zoning open space 413 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,320 element and zoning rags, right? Um 414 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:35,679 obviously the Midpen Hawthorne site I 415 00:17:35,679 --> 00:17:39,039 believe remind me I think it's um single 416 00:17:39,039 --> 00:17:41,919 family residential zoning. Could you 417 00:17:41,919 --> 00:17:46,710 give me the actual zoning? 418 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:48,160 So it was provided in the packet. I 419 00:17:48,160 --> 00:17:49,600 would have to pull it up in the packet. 420 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,840 >> Okay. 421 00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:54,160 >> It's residential estate. So 422 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:54,720 >> right, 423 00:17:54,720 --> 00:17:56,320 >> the 424 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,080 conservation. Yeah. The zoning that is 425 00:17:58,080 --> 00:17:59,600 in place is the is what was in place 426 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:01,840 when it was a owned by the Woods family 427 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,840 and residential. 428 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:07,919 >> Okay. And um if we were to open up the 429 00:18:07,919 --> 00:18:11,280 open space element and we would then 430 00:18:11,280 --> 00:18:18,320 update zoning for all open space I take it 431 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:20,320 that would depend on the process for the 432 00:18:20,320 --> 00:18:22,080 open space element similar to how we're 433 00:18:22,080 --> 00:18:23,600 going through the housing element. It's 434 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,200 an amendment but housing element you're 435 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,840 looking at the land use and zoning and 436 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,840 you know what does the town want and 437 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:31,760 what is the vision down to how is it 438 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:33,280 going to be implemented. So there could 439 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:36,160 be an opportunity to consider how the 440 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:38,320 Hawthorne's area fits within the overall 441 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:40,880 town's kind of land use and zoning. 442 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,039 >> Great. Okay, those are my questions. 443 00:18:43,039 --> 00:18:45,360 Thank you. 444 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:48,400 >> Thank you, Helen. 445 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:52,000 >> So I think my questions were mostly 446 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,000 answered. Um I'm I guess I'm still 447 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:55,120 trying to understand a little bit like 448 00:18:55,120 --> 00:18:57,600 on the SQA timeline the notice of 449 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:01,840 preparation starts in 2027 450 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,160 but I mean how long before there's 451 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,200 actually something for us to comment on 452 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:08,000 you know because you're saying a three 453 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:09,840 or four month process I guess I'm trying 454 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,600 to understand a little bit like when 455 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,679 does that process have to start if we 456 00:19:13,679 --> 00:19:16,799 want to engage on SQA assuming that 457 00:19:16,799 --> 00:19:18,160 midpen's not going to do anything till 458 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,559 2027. I mean, is that if we start in 459 00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:22,400 January, by the time they get their 460 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:24,400 stuff together, we'll sort of dovetail, 461 00:19:24,400 --> 00:19:26,240 or is it no, January 1, they're going to 462 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,160 dump something, and if we hadn't started 463 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,960 back in September or October, we're 464 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:32,480 behind the eightball. So, I'm trying to 465 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,720 understand that timing a little bit. 466 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:37,440 >> It's the latter. So, they they could 467 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,080 issue the NOP in January. They did not 468 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:41,600 provide a date. They just told us it 469 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,480 would be 2027. And yeah, we probably 470 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,039 need 3 to four months to get ramped up. 471 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:48,559 Now the notice of preparation is the 472 00:19:48,559 --> 00:19:50,080 first stage where they say we're going 473 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,799 to be preparing an EIR. This is these 474 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:55,440 are the areas we're going to study. Do 475 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:56,960 you have any other things you want us to 476 00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:58,720 study? And you and so sometimes that's 477 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:02,000 all a very preliminary exercise. We 478 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,720 perhaps could do it without a lot of 479 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,200 support. Um but it it could be an 480 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,039 important step in the town's process to 481 00:20:11,039 --> 00:20:13,039 make sure that we assert what we want 482 00:20:13,039 --> 00:20:15,039 them to consider in the EIR. So it's a 483 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:16,880 very each step in SQA is very important 484 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,240 and the first step is important. So 485 00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:21,840 essentially we need direction now if you 486 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:23,679 want us to pursue the SQA option. There 487 00:20:23,679 --> 00:20:25,679 may be other items that are less 488 00:20:25,679 --> 00:20:28,080 timesensitive but an important thing to 489 00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:29,760 note with our open space element and 490 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,600 land use regulations that can take a 491 00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,360 long time as you as you've seen with the 492 00:20:33,360 --> 00:20:35,679 housing element and the safety element. 493 00:20:35,679 --> 00:20:38,640 Those those processes can take a long 494 00:20:38,640 --> 00:20:39,760 time and we would definitely have to 495 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:42,559 hire consultants for those too. 496 00:20:42,559 --> 00:20:44,640 >> Right. Okay. And then my next one does 497 00:20:44,640 --> 00:20:48,480 lead into the open space element. Um, 498 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,720 so does open does an open space element 499 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:52,640 just deal with anything that's open 500 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:54,159 space in the town regardless of its 501 00:20:54,159 --> 00:20:56,320 zoning or does it have to be zoned open 502 00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,640 space for the open space element to 503 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,400 apply to it 504 00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:04,159 >> because this is all this is all re right now. So 505 00:21:04,159 --> 00:21:06,320 >> it applies to everything in the town 506 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,159 that's open space. And right now we 507 00:21:08,159 --> 00:21:09,840 actually don't have a zoning that's open 508 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:13,360 space. We have an uh inconsistent 509 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:16,480 >> general plan and zoning. So the general 510 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,720 plan is what you would start with and we 511 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,960 do have properties that are designated 512 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,360 as open space. And I would suggest we 513 00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:27,280 examine that designation and whether it 514 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:28,960 should be applied to other properties. 515 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,320 Um and then you would implement the 516 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:34,159 general plan through a zoning code. and 517 00:21:34,159 --> 00:21:36,080 we would recommend that the they be 518 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:37,600 tightened up so that they're vertically 519 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,360 consistent because they're inconsistent 520 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:42,559 now which doesn't conform to state law. 521 00:21:42,559 --> 00:21:45,520 Um but the open space element also deals 522 00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,039 with other factors. Um it deals with 523 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:53,200 equity and um access to open space and 524 00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,080 parks. So it's a pretty broad element. 525 00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:57,360 >> I don't know if Bill has anything to 526 00:21:57,360 --> 00:21:59,919 add. 527 00:21:59,919 --> 00:22:01,440 >> No, nothing to add. 528 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,919 >> Thank you. And just like you're 529 00:22:03,919 --> 00:22:05,679 suggesting there's a three or four month 530 00:22:05,679 --> 00:22:10,720 potential um process time for SQA. 531 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:12,400 What do we think the process time is on 532 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:14,559 the open space element roughly? Are we 533 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:14,880 talking 534 00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:16,799 >> to get a consultant to scope it and get 535 00:22:16,799 --> 00:22:19,520 a consult on board or probably 3 to four 536 00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:20,000 months? 537 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,679 >> Okay. And then the actual work is 538 00:22:21,679 --> 00:22:24,159 another three or four months. 539 00:22:24,159 --> 00:22:26,720 >> No, it's probably 12 to 18 months. 540 00:22:26,720 --> 00:22:29,600 >> Okay. to do an element like that because 541 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,000 we also have to do SQA on our own land 542 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,555 use plans. So that could be a long time. 543 00:22:34,555 --> 00:22:37,750 [clears throat] 544 00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:41,039 » And so is it is it realistic that we'd 545 00:22:41,039 --> 00:22:43,840 get an open space element done that 546 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:46,000 would apply to this project or would 547 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:47,840 this project be [clears throat] on a 548 00:22:47,840 --> 00:22:50,480 faster timeline and we wouldn't get it 549 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,640 done before decisions were being made? 550 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,159 It's possible they line just just line 551 00:22:58,159 --> 00:22:58,880 up. 552 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,520 >> The sequel process for midpen could be 553 00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:04,480 about 12 months we think and then they 554 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,960 would submit their permit applications 555 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,679 to the town and that processing could be 556 00:23:09,679 --> 00:23:12,080 I don't know 3 6 n months. 557 00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:15,919 >> So then we're into 2028. So, 558 00:23:15,919 --> 00:23:18,159 I would advise if we want to do that, we 559 00:23:18,159 --> 00:23:19,760 should get some direction tonight so 560 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,200 that we can at least start putting 561 00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:23,200 together like a scope of work and a 562 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:26,640 budget to come back to you. Um, 563 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,159 but ideally they line up, 564 00:23:30,159 --> 00:23:30,480 >> okay, 565 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:31,760 >> and they're in effect, 566 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:33,360 >> okay, 567 00:23:33,360 --> 00:23:37,039 >> for the project applications. 568 00:23:37,039 --> 00:23:38,640 >> So, Helen would like to ask another 569 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:40,080 question, then I'll finish up mine. 570 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:41,280 >> Thank you. 571 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,760 Um for uh 572 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:49,840 number four or the um 573 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:52,640 in terms of doing a negotiated agreement 574 00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:54,720 if the other party is willing to deal 575 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,360 with parking. Obviously we have parking 576 00:23:57,360 --> 00:23:59,919 issues 577 00:23:59,919 --> 00:24:04,400 in other places in town. Um 578 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:06,799 sorry. [laughter] 579 00:24:06,799 --> 00:24:12,240 Um, so could is there should we 580 00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,799 potentially separate the negotiated 581 00:24:14,799 --> 00:24:17,679 agreement out with a parking management 582 00:24:17,679 --> 00:24:20,000 plan before trying to negotiate 583 00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:21,840 something 584 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:23,600 if that makes any sense. I mean 585 00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,559 obviously our other sites with parking 586 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:28,640 issues are not part of the Hawthorne 587 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:30,400 situation. 588 00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:34,080 um but to do some sort of comprehensive 589 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,080 parking plan so that then when we 590 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,440 negotiate we know what we're aiming for 591 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:42,159 if that makes sense. 592 00:24:42,159 --> 00:24:44,000 I think that could be an option and that 593 00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,880 I would assume could be part of that 594 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:48,880 work plan option when we're talking 595 00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:50,720 about the NE negotiate agreement if 596 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,080 there's something you want us to look 597 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:55,440 into that it should include addressing a 598 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:56,799 parking management plan or other 599 00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:58,799 elements and we can figure out what that 600 00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:00,880 might look like and come back to you. 601 00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,200 >> Great. Thank you. 602 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:04,640 >> All right. So then my last question 603 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:06,480 which is a follow up on the negotiated 604 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:10,000 agreement. Is it reasonable if we say I 605 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,080 mean to me a negotiate agreement is 606 00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,000 always a good thing because you talk to 607 00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,200 the other side and if they're willing to 608 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,559 talk to you and you work stuff out that 609 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:18,559 seems like always a better way than sort 610 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,679 of battling it out. Um 611 00:25:21,679 --> 00:25:24,320 I guess my question is if we say oh 612 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:25,840 we're interested in negotiating 613 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:29,120 agreement will staff go and scope out 614 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:31,919 what the possible kinds of negotiated 615 00:25:31,919 --> 00:25:34,400 agreements we might do are? Is that your 616 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,360 thinking? Okay. So, we're not trying to 617 00:25:37,360 --> 00:25:40,080 figure out the terms of the negotiated 618 00:25:40,080 --> 00:25:42,080 agreement in broad strokes. We're just 619 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:44,080 saying come back to us and tell us 620 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:45,360 different ways you might be able to 621 00:25:45,360 --> 00:25:46,559 negotiate. 622 00:25:46,559 --> 00:25:48,320 >> Yes. I think that would be the goal of 623 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:51,440 what could town's responsibility be in 624 00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,600 this um to enter an agreement. 625 00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,840 >> Okay. Great. All right. 626 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,159 >> I have [laughter] 627 00:25:58,159 --> 00:25:59,120 follow. 628 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,360 >> Okay. Please go ahead Jude. 629 00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:05,360 >> Okay. Uh two questions. One is do we 630 00:26:05,360 --> 00:26:07,200 have to do the whole open space element 631 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:09,840 or could we look at regulations that are 632 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:11,440 most pointed and where I'm going with 633 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,600 this is we kind of have to be a little 634 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,360 bit of a strike force given our 635 00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:18,400 budgetary constraints and I want to know 636 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:20,480 how to think about that. Uh clearly it's 637 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,080 better to do the whole nine yards for 638 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,600 consistency and to avoid waste I think. 639 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:29,200 But but if our time time is our enemy, 640 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,799 what would we be able to do that's still 641 00:26:32,799 --> 00:26:36,480 profitable for us to be engaging in? And 642 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:38,080 the second question while you're at it 643 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,840 is 644 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,640 on the open space piece. 645 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:44,799 My understanding is that open space 646 00:26:44,799 --> 00:26:48,000 funding is not available for looking at 647 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,240 the open space element and rags and 648 00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:51,840 things like that. If you could confirm 649 00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:55,830 that that would be helpful. 650 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,279 » Thank you for that question. the so the 651 00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:04,159 timing and kind of taking out a piece I wouldn't really even consider it part 652 00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:07,120 of like the open space element but if 653 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:08,400 I'm trying to think through if it would 654 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,240 be updates to maybe zoning or 655 00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:12,640 regulations specifically if town council 656 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,240 has a priority to update certain regul 657 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,080 regulations for example I know we've 658 00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:19,760 already discussed the need to update 659 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:21,679 objective design standards but maybe 660 00:27:21,679 --> 00:27:24,080 just for single family homes so that's a 661 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:26,000 very specific kind of targeted approach 662 00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,480 if that's the priority to update our 663 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:30,559 standards. And so with the other zoning, 664 00:27:30,559 --> 00:27:31,919 I think there could be an option that 665 00:27:31,919 --> 00:27:35,520 way. I I don't know what it look like 666 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,279 when you're considering the element and 667 00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:40,400 other aspects. Um I I'd have to do more 668 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,320 research on if if there I don't think 669 00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:43,520 you're asking there's a way to like 670 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:44,960 start the open space element but then 671 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,279 maybe fast forward and you're just 672 00:27:47,279 --> 00:27:47,760 saying 673 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,960 >> but the the things that are possible for 674 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,840 adjusting open space regulations I'm not 675 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:57,120 sure exactly what they are but is there 676 00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:00,240 a piece of just line item regulations 677 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:02,559 that we could consider instead of the 678 00:28:02,559 --> 00:28:07,200 whole nine yards taking 15 plus months 679 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,039 >> I believe so I say, you know, if there's 680 00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:11,360 direction in alignment with the general 681 00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:13,760 plan and our overall plans and it's 682 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:15,279 implementing our current plans because 683 00:28:15,279 --> 00:28:17,279 otherwise the updated open space element 684 00:28:17,279 --> 00:28:18,240 then 685 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:19,679 >> regulations would be implementing the 686 00:28:19,679 --> 00:28:20,399 new element. 687 00:28:20,399 --> 00:28:21,840 >> Okay. Okay. I don't know that that's 688 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:23,440 practical. I just needed to know. And 689 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,080 then the the cost the funding for open 690 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,799 space element that's not eligible for 691 00:28:28,799 --> 00:28:32,000 open space funds, right? 692 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:33,760 >> I don't believe so, but I I'll double 693 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:34,240 check. 694 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:34,640 >> Okay. 695 00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:35,120 >> Yeah. 696 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:36,720 >> Thanks. 697 00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,559 So my question actually is one of them 698 00:28:38,559 --> 00:28:41,919 is a followup on um Judith Judith's 699 00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:44,640 question. Um 700 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,960 when we consider the open space element 701 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,640 and more particularly the zoning 702 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,840 regulations um and you mentioned a bunch 703 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:55,200 in the um report things like could 704 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,679 develop parking lot standards, could 705 00:28:57,679 --> 00:29:00,240 develop property access standards along 706 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,399 scenic corridors, across trails, along 707 00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:05,279 major roadways. We could examine grading 708 00:29:05,279 --> 00:29:07,679 standards. I'm also aware that we don't 709 00:29:07,679 --> 00:29:11,919 have any kind of code written for 710 00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:14,559 developments of of this type. You know, 711 00:29:14,559 --> 00:29:16,159 we have it for municipal buildings. We 712 00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:17,600 have a single family, multif family, but 713 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,480 we have nothing for a park or a open 714 00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:22,159 space. We have no development 715 00:29:22,159 --> 00:29:25,120 guidelines. So, if the town were to move 716 00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:27,200 forward with that those types of 717 00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:28,799 regulations, including a parking 718 00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:31,520 management plan type of thing, would 719 00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,080 that have an impact? Would would that 720 00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:35,600 have an impact on this development? 721 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,559 Would we then be able to have a say on 722 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:42,720 this development or not? 723 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:44,640 >> The say would be ensuring that the 724 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,120 project complies with those regulations. 725 00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:49,120 So, it would depend on the regulations 726 00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,640 and what the town would adopt. So, 727 00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:54,720 typically the regulations are, you know, 728 00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:57,360 there's an opportunity for flexibility 729 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,880 potentially to accommodate different 730 00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:00,880 development types. So I mean but if 731 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:03,440 there's standards that can be followed 732 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,000 that that would apply to that site. 733 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,760 >> So midpin would be required to 734 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:12,720 >> if if they were adopted before the 735 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:14,559 projects 736 00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:16,399 got through the permitting process I 737 00:30:16,399 --> 00:30:18,960 guess and just a very overall summary 738 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,520 >> and they would not be submitting until 739 00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,320 after their squa correct. 740 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:25,360 >> Yes. So they're they're 741 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:26,000 >> presumably 742 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:27,840 >> they have they're on their own timeline 743 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,919 which yeah as we said SQL wouldn't start 744 00:30:29,919 --> 00:30:31,600 until 2027 745 00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:34,000 >> but we would need to have all those new 746 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,399 >> zoning codes and and regulations in 747 00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:38,480 place before they submitted an 748 00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,960 application for planning. Is that my 749 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,159 understanding correct? 750 00:30:42,159 --> 00:30:43,760 >> Essentially yeah because it would you 751 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,840 know the application 752 00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,120 would adhere to the current standards 753 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,640 >> and do you have any sense of a general 754 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,799 cost for a SQA expert what what that 755 00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:54,559 would entail? 756 00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:54,960 No, 757 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,320 >> I don't know. Off top my head. 758 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:57,039 >> Okay. 759 00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:59,200 >> And then you had said you wanted us to 760 00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:02,880 provide you with priorities um for what 761 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,799 staff would work on for the next couple 762 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:07,679 of months? Um, I'm assuming that kind of 763 00:31:07,679 --> 00:31:13,430 maybe until the end of the year, but um, 764 00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,200 I guess my question is what budget do we 765 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:17,039 have available and what kind of time are 766 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:19,600 you anticipating to be able that's 767 00:31:19,600 --> 00:31:21,600 within our budget to be able to take on 768 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,000 this extra little project over the next 769 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,880 couple months? What do we have? I mean, 770 00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,640 you have maybe a few hours here and 771 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:30,320 there. What What can actually be 772 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:32,480 accomplished? Is it just coming back 773 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,559 with scope and getting pricing for SQA 774 00:31:34,559 --> 00:31:37,120 experts or what what exactly do do you 775 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:38,640 anticipate being able to accomplish in 776 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,919 the next few months before you know 777 00:31:41,919 --> 00:31:45,440 before November per se? 778 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:47,200 >> It would be coming back with the scope 779 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,679 and budget and potential recommendations 780 00:31:51,679 --> 00:31:54,399 that there would maybe be trade-offs but 781 00:31:54,399 --> 00:31:56,640 we would do that full analysis of our 782 00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:57,840 budget because we haven't done that yet 783 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,519 because there hasn't been direction 784 00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:01,200 provided to staff. So if we have 785 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:03,360 direction, we can analyze what that 786 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,600 scope is for staff, what is the budget, 787 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,360 is it even feasible and let you guys 788 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,880 know what would be feasible, what is the 789 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,559 actual budget we can spend through that 790 00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:12,640 this year or starting, you know, 791 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,720 January, I know, sorry, fiscal year is 792 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,159 um June to July, but that that would be 793 00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:20,080 when we come back to you that we would 794 00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:22,159 be able to have that specific 795 00:32:22,159 --> 00:32:24,480 information hopefully numbers and have 796 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,159 more of that kind of level of 797 00:32:26,159 --> 00:32:28,559 conversation. And do you feel that you 798 00:32:28,559 --> 00:32:31,760 have staff um bandwidth to be able to 799 00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,440 accomplish that in the next few months 800 00:32:33,440 --> 00:32:35,679 that what you just defined just defining 801 00:32:35,679 --> 00:32:38,880 scope and pricing? 802 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:39,039 I 803 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:40,320 >> mean this has been a request of town 804 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,440 council. So we'll make the time to do 805 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:47,039 this analysis but the other part of the 806 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:50,320 conversation is staff time to work on 807 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,880 what's decided. So that that would be 808 00:32:52,880 --> 00:32:55,440 that conversation as well of what would 809 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:57,360 we be capable of doing or part of the 810 00:32:57,360 --> 00:32:59,440 budget is would it would we need to hire 811 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,039 a consultant? Is there additional help 812 00:33:01,039 --> 00:33:02,720 that we would need to do this or is 813 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,399 there trade-offs with other projects as 814 00:33:04,399 --> 00:33:04,799 well? 815 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:07,279 >> Well, when you're talking about budget, and that's 816 00:33:07,279 --> 00:33:08,480 going to be spent in the next four 817 00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,279 months. Are you anticipating hiring 818 00:33:11,279 --> 00:33:12,640 making a recommendation to hire a 819 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,480 consultant or you need a consultant in 820 00:33:14,480 --> 00:33:16,080 order to scope it out? I a little 821 00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,919 unclear where this when the money is 822 00:33:17,919 --> 00:33:20,240 being spent. I'm not sure if I said that 823 00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:21,600 the work would be done the next few 824 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:24,159 months. I I think 825 00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:26,960 we need to identify what that work would 826 00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:29,200 be come back. Maybe that would take some 827 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,159 time and then it would be aligning the 828 00:33:32,159 --> 00:33:34,720 schedule of that work. I'm not sure if 829 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,440 it's related to the next few months. 830 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,919 >> Okay. Okay. And then I guess my last 831 00:33:39,919 --> 00:33:41,679 question was just something that Darcy 832 00:33:41,679 --> 00:33:43,600 had mentioned saying that or or maybe 833 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:45,519 you did that we have properties 834 00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,760 designated at open space in the general 835 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,679 plan 836 00:33:49,679 --> 00:33:52,000 and where I'm confused is those 837 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,919 properties are designated open space in 838 00:33:53,919 --> 00:33:56,000 the general plan but they are not 839 00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:58,559 there's no they're not zoned open space. 840 00:33:58,559 --> 00:34:00,720 Is that my understanding? Is that how it 841 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,600 works or? 842 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,600 >> Yeah, there is a bit of a discrepancy of 843 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,919 what is visually shown on the plan 844 00:34:07,919 --> 00:34:10,960 versus the zoning. Um, and and that can 845 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:12,560 happen, but we were just calling that 846 00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:14,159 out that there really isn't specific 847 00:34:14,159 --> 00:34:16,320 zoning for open space right now, even 848 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:17,919 though the general plan kind of calls it 849 00:34:17,919 --> 00:34:19,359 out as a land use. 850 00:34:19,359 --> 00:34:22,159 >> And we have no verbiage, if you will, or 851 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:25,359 no municipal code for open space. Is 852 00:34:25,359 --> 00:34:27,520 that correct? or we already do have and 853 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,280 we just haven't put any properties into 854 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,200 it. 855 00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,240 >> No, it doesn't exist right now. So, the 856 00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:37,200 properties are current for the zoning. 857 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,359 >> Okay. Thank you. 858 00:34:39,359 --> 00:34:41,679 >> Thank you, Rebecca. All right. Um, so 859 00:34:41,679 --> 00:34:43,119 let me close this section out. The only 860 00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:44,639 thing I just want to make sure you guys 861 00:34:44,639 --> 00:34:47,040 will investigate also on the open space 862 00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:48,560 element whether we could fund it out of 863 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,040 the open space fund. 864 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:52,480 >> Okay. I I'm not looking for an answer. 865 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:54,399 I'm just looking for you to to research 866 00:34:54,399 --> 00:34:56,079 the answer. 867 00:34:56,079 --> 00:34:57,839 Yeah, I think we answered that that it 868 00:34:57,839 --> 00:35:00,320 can't be taken out of the fund. Correct. 869 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,000 Okay. We'll look into it. 870 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,280 >> Yeah, I would ask you to look into it 871 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,280 because I know we talked about we can't 872 00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,520 use it on midpen project because it's 873 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,359 not our project, but this is our 874 00:35:09,359 --> 00:35:11,119 element. So, it might be different and 875 00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:12,320 that's why I'm just asking you to 876 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,119 research it. 877 00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:14,400 >> Perfect. Thank you. Yes, we will. 878 00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:16,320 >> Yeah, I appreciate that. Okay, so I'm 879 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:18,400 going to close out the questions for 880 00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,000 Sarah and I'm going to open it up for 881 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,240 public comment. Um, let me remind 882 00:35:22,240 --> 00:35:23,920 everybody that you have three minutes. 883 00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,560 There's a lot of people here. Um, and so 884 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:28,240 I'm going to hold everybody pretty 885 00:35:28,240 --> 00:35:30,640 tightly to the three minutes. We've got 886 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,440 some cards. Yes. 887 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:34,079 >> Yes. 888 00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:35,920 >> Okay. 889 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,920 >> So, why don't we start with the cards, 890 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,320 then I'll ask for people who are in the 891 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,400 room who didn't get a card, which is 892 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:43,599 fine. You don't have to worry about 893 00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:45,359 getting a card. I'll I'll come back. Um, 894 00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:48,079 and then I'll go online. So, with that, 895 00:35:48,079 --> 00:35:52,880 >> yes, first is Robert Roberto Zera. 896 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:53,599 Thank you. 897 00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:54,800 >> Welcome. 898 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:56,960 >> Thank you very much. Good evening, 899 00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,040 members of the Portola Valley Town 900 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,480 Council and staff. I'm Robera Sare, 901 00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:04,720 superintendent of Portola Valley School 902 00:36:04,720 --> 00:36:08,000 District. I'm speaking you speaking with 903 00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:12,000 you tonight on behalf of the PVSD board 904 00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:15,440 families and students to express our 905 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:17,839 serious safety concerns regarding the 906 00:36:17,839 --> 00:36:20,960 Midpen Hawthorne area access plan 907 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,680 proposals under consideration. 908 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:26,880 Simply put, the options currently on the 909 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,000 table are not acceptable to our district 910 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,079 because they directly compromise the 911 00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:35,680 safety of our students of approximately 912 00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,920 100 students who travel that route 913 00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:39,440 daily. 914 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:41,760 As a school district, we are legally 915 00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,000 required to ensure the safety of our 916 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,359 children traveling to and from school. 917 00:36:47,359 --> 00:36:50,720 Operating in loco parentus, we carry 918 00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:54,400 both a strict duty of care and a moral 919 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,119 responsibility to protect these students 920 00:36:57,119 --> 00:37:00,640 every step of the way. As you may know, 921 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:05,040 PBSD and the town co-und the afternoon 922 00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,160 crossing guard at Alpine and Pulla Road 923 00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:09,839 and for that we thank you for that 924 00:37:09,839 --> 00:37:12,320 partnership. Adding another crossing 925 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:15,680 guard is neither possible, practical, 926 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,640 nor economically feasible. 927 00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:21,200 I have commissioned an ad hoc committee 928 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,839 of our schoolboard trustee to research 929 00:37:23,839 --> 00:37:26,240 this topic extensively 930 00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:29,040 and advocate directly on the behalf of 931 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:32,960 our students and the PBSD community. 932 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,440 Additionally, the district has consulted 933 00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,560 with a land use attorney and I've 934 00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,480 already shared their full legal report 935 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:44,079 with the town manager to review. We want 936 00:37:44,079 --> 00:37:47,200 to solve this problem together. 937 00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:49,359 The district is fully committed to 938 00:37:49,359 --> 00:37:51,520 working in partnership with the town 939 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:53,839 council to protect Portola Valley's 940 00:37:53,839 --> 00:37:58,000 children. As a side note, we always 941 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,280 strive to be good neighbors. One way we 942 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,000 actively support our community is by 943 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,160 opening the Cordom Madera parking lot on 944 00:38:06,160 --> 00:38:08,960 weekends throughout the summer and after 945 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,040 school hours 946 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,720 for local trail users. That's an access 947 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:17,440 point that we believe renders a new 948 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,839 parking lot at Hawthorne's entirely 949 00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:21,920 unnecessary. 950 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:24,400 Let's keep working together to find a 951 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:26,480 solution that puts the safety of our 952 00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:33,119 children first. Thank you. 953 00:38:33,119 --> 00:38:36,000 >> Next is Bob Bower. 954 00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:37,119 >> Welcome, Bob. 955 00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:38,800 >> Thank you. Uh, thank you, council 956 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,119 members. I'm Dr. Robert Bower. I'm a 957 00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:43,440 trustee of the school board on the ad 958 00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,280 hoc committee that superintendent has 959 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,839 started. I'm here for two reasons. to 960 00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:50,240 tell you what our strategic intentions 961 00:38:50,240 --> 00:38:53,200 are and to stress the critical need for 962 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,920 both of our agencies to take action now 963 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,320 to resolve it without the implementation 964 00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:01,680 of options 9 or 10. As Superintendent 965 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,400 Zer said, we conservatively estimate 966 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,280 that 40% of the kids at CMS use the 967 00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:11,280 Alpine Trail every day, 180 days a year. 968 00:39:11,280 --> 00:39:13,280 That's 36,000 969 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,400 student transitions across what would be 970 00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,560 a new road with traffic. That's 971 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,200 unacceptable to the school board and we 972 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,440 will take all necessary steps legally 973 00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,720 and otherwise in which to make sure that 974 00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:30,320 doesn't occur. Uh 975 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:31,760 the other thing I need to tell you is 976 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,920 that in your packet today as as I see 977 00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,880 it, there has been FAQs provided to you 978 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:38,960 that seem to be identical to the ones 979 00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,760 that came out from MIDI pen. Those FAQs 980 00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,760 are incorrect at best and false in other 981 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:48,800 cases. For example, it says that the 982 00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:51,280 school district was approached and asked 983 00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,920 to provide parking for the Hawthorne's 984 00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,920 property and that we declined. In fact, 985 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,480 the superintendent agreed to that kind 986 00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:02,960 of a solution. Why the staff said that 987 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:05,040 in FAQs, I don't know. There are other 988 00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:07,760 things in the FAQ also that I find to be 989 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:10,079 misleading at best. like it's saying 990 00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:12,720 that continual interactions with the 991 00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:14,720 town have been part of this and the 992 00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:16,480 reason this is important is because they 993 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,079 claim in the FAQs that post has approved 994 00:40:20,079 --> 00:40:23,760 the abregation frankly of the 995 00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:26,320 conservation easement and I find that 996 00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,560 highly unlikely especially if they 997 00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:31,440 understood that there are 36,000 student 998 00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,599 crossings that would be affected every 999 00:40:33,599 --> 00:40:37,040 day 180 days of so I want to emphasize 1000 00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,400 to you today that we're prepared to use 1001 00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:42,960 our resources to enforce the confer 1002 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,920 conservation easement which as you know 1003 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,720 is being violated for both development 1004 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:51,200 in the undeveloped portion of the 1005 00:40:51,200 --> 00:40:53,760 property, the removal of trees and the 1006 00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,319 grading. There's no reason at all for 1007 00:40:56,319 --> 00:40:58,880 them to be having option 9 or 10 as 1008 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:01,760 being viable. And the only entity right 1009 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,640 now that has appropriate legal standing 1010 00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:07,359 is post in which to do that. So this 1011 00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:10,400 also involves post as I must say. So one 1012 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,720 thing that I'm asking for today is that 1013 00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:15,119 just like we formed a committee at our 1014 00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:17,680 meeting last Thursday on Hawthorne, I 1015 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:20,079 would love for the town to choose two 1016 00:41:20,079 --> 00:41:22,000 members of the town council to be on a 1017 00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:24,160 Hawthorne's committee and for us to work 1018 00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,560 together like we did when Windy Hill 1019 00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:28,880 open space was in front of the town many 1020 00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,200 years ago. I've been in town over 50 1021 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:32,960 years so I know when these things 1022 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,800 happen. Let's do that again. when it 1023 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,720 comes to Hawthornes. And the reason that 1024 00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:39,359 that's important is the town manager and 1025 00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:40,720 our superintendent are working 1026 00:41:40,720 --> 00:41:43,680 incredibly well together on this matter 1027 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:46,240 and want to collaborate. Let's do the 1028 00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:47,680 same at the level of the elected 1029 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,560 official of our two agencies and our two 1030 00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:51,839 agencies together are going to be 1031 00:41:51,839 --> 00:41:53,440 stronger. We are prepared to use our 1032 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,920 legal resource and that'll be my final 1033 00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:58,319 point. We will pay for the lawyers 1034 00:41:58,319 --> 00:41:59,920 because we're prepared to pay for them 1035 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:01,920 on our own. Wouldn't it be better if 1036 00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,720 those legal actions that we have that 1037 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,880 you have in front of you from the 1038 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:08,400 confidential memo that we shared with 1039 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,800 Darcy wouldn't be better for us? So, 1040 00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,280 please consider forming a committee and 1041 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:15,599 forming a joint agency task force with 1042 00:42:15,599 --> 00:42:17,440 the school district to address this 1043 00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:23,109 issue. Thank you. 1044 00:42:23,119 --> 00:42:24,880 » All right. I would say hold your 1045 00:42:24,880 --> 00:42:26,480 applause, but I guess just keep keep the 1046 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,560 applause light. Um, who's next? 1047 00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:41,109 >> Next is Leslie Crease. 1048 00:42:41,119 --> 00:42:41,920 welcome. 1049 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:45,920 >> Hi. Um, hello town council. I'm Wesley 1050 00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,000 Crease. Most of you know me. I live at 1051 00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,079 One Winter Creek. I'm one of your 1052 00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:52,960 neighbors. Um, and first of all, I'd 1053 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,480 like to say I really appreciate 1054 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,480 everything you do and I'm very grateful 1055 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:59,119 for you. Um, my concern with the 1056 00:42:59,119 --> 00:43:01,040 Hawthores is a little bit higher level 1057 00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,640 since I didn't know where this was going 1058 00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,680 tonight. But there is a proverb. What's 1059 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:08,560 once done can easily cannot easily be 1060 00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,440 undone. And once an action is taken, it 1061 00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,560 cannot easily be undone. Mid Peninsula 1062 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,880 as an organization clearly understands 1063 00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,920 its charters and its goals taking from 1064 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:21,839 well south of us through the peninsula 1065 00:43:21,839 --> 00:43:25,359 and around the bay. Hawthorne's is just 1066 00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:28,880 a stop between locations south of us and 1067 00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,520 onward to Windy Hill and then someday 1068 00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,079 Elm Miridora possibly to connect to 1069 00:43:34,079 --> 00:43:36,640 Thornwood then to Teague Hill, Parisma 1070 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:40,240 Creek, Edgewood and on up the peninsula. 1071 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:41,520 Depending on what happens with 1072 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,520 Hawthornes, this could put a lot of 1073 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,520 pressure on Portola Valley and our 1074 00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,920 roads, especially with our anticipated 1075 00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,319 influx of new housing and new neighbors 1076 00:43:50,319 --> 00:43:53,040 and the construction for that. We don't 1077 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:54,640 want to overwhelm our roads with 1078 00:43:54,640 --> 00:43:57,440 traffic, threaten our ability um to 1079 00:43:57,440 --> 00:44:00,000 evacuate in case of emergency or just 1080 00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,720 enjoy a beautiful day in our town. So, 1081 00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:05,920 I'm asking you, my town council, 1082 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:08,079 remember who you represent, and it's not 1083 00:44:08,079 --> 00:44:11,359 Midpen. Midpen is very good and very 1084 00:44:11,359 --> 00:44:14,319 well funded at representing itself. They 1085 00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:16,240 have skills. 1086 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:20,240 um the folks who live here and will be 1087 00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,880 impacted every ba every day going 1088 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,520 forward by the decisions the five of you 1089 00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:30,160 make. Um your job as I see it is to help 1090 00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,839 um us not to not to roll over for midpen 1091 00:44:33,839 --> 00:44:36,400 which is a concern of mine and a desire 1092 00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:40,480 to be friends with them. Um, 1093 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,400 we need to protect the quality the 1094 00:44:42,400 --> 00:44:44,000 safety of our residents and the quality 1095 00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,240 of our life. Especially for those of us 1096 00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:49,200 who live near Hawthorne. If you live up 1097 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,119 in Westridge or up in Los Tranos 1098 00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:54,319 possibly or in other parts of town, you 1099 00:44:54,319 --> 00:44:56,560 won't be as impacted, but if you live 1100 00:44:56,560 --> 00:44:59,200 near Hawthorne, the traffic is going to 1101 00:44:59,200 --> 00:45:02,160 have a big impact on you. So I am asking 1102 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:06,319 you to go slowly and thoughtfully um and 1103 00:45:06,319 --> 00:45:09,200 perhaps in an evolutionary fashion 1104 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:13,200 allowing midpen a minimal footprint um 1105 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,040 both in terms of parking and other 1106 00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:17,680 aspects and then if things go well 1107 00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:20,560 perhaps consider growth down the road 1108 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:22,480 because once something is done though 1109 00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,200 you can't undo it. So let's grow them 1110 00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:28,720 evol in an evolutionary fashion not all 1111 00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:31,520 at once. And again, I thank you and I 1112 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,760 thank you all for running, too. 1113 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,079 >> Thank you, Lesman. 1114 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:37,920 >> All right, who's next? 1115 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:50,550 >> Next is Lana Norris. 1116 00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,520 » Welcome. 1117 00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,280 >> Good evening. 1118 00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,599 Thank you for uh for this session and 1119 00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:57,920 this opportunity to talk to you folks. 1120 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,280 Um, I submitted a letter and um, I'm 1121 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:03,040 assuming that you've had an opportunity 1122 00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:04,319 to review it. So, I'm not going to go 1123 00:46:04,319 --> 00:46:07,359 over anything that's in that letter. Um, 1124 00:46:07,359 --> 00:46:10,240 I want to focus on once again the 1125 00:46:10,240 --> 00:46:11,760 conservation easement. I have been 1126 00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:14,160 spitting nickels about this conservation 1127 00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,520 easement problem for years, 1128 00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:21,040 literally years. You're well aware that 1129 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,720 every time anyone asks Mid Pen to tell 1130 00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:27,040 us how specific proposals that they're 1131 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,280 making comply with the easements 1132 00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,839 prohibitions, we don't get an answer. 1133 00:46:31,839 --> 00:46:34,720 That's been going on for years. The 1134 00:46:34,720 --> 00:46:36,960 frequently asked questions that were 1135 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:40,319 just put out by Mid Pan this month 1136 00:46:40,319 --> 00:46:44,160 increased my concern because once again 1137 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:47,040 there are non-answers. There are artful 1138 00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:49,280 evasions. There are misleading 1139 00:46:49,280 --> 00:46:52,160 statements and I'm going to say they 1140 00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,160 have to be intentional. 1141 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,319 They are intentional 1142 00:46:56,319 --> 00:47:04,230 and that's wrong. 1143 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:08,319 one. Okay. One problem, one inaccuracy, 1144 00:47:08,319 --> 00:47:10,160 I'm going to have to speak quickly 1145 00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:13,520 because the time is going is in their 1146 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,000 frequently asked questions where they 1147 00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,520 say 1148 00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:20,800 uh that they have had something like 40 1149 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:23,920 meetings etc outreach. They go into all 1150 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:27,839 these examples of their outreaches etc. 1151 00:47:27,839 --> 00:47:31,040 And one of them, one of them was where 1152 00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:33,280 they say they met with Pollola Valley 1153 00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:38,550 Ranch residents in January of 2025. 1154 00:47:38,560 --> 00:47:41,119 Okay. I was president at that meeting in 1155 00:47:41,119 --> 00:47:43,599 January of 2025. 1156 00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:45,920 Pull it was at Pulla Valley Ranch. We 1157 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,560 are the most directly affected group of 1158 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,359 people because we are contiguous to the 1159 00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:54,640 Hawthors. We should have a huge voice in 1160 00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:56,720 what is happening there. At that 1161 00:47:56,720 --> 00:47:59,040 meeting, a group of us Pollola Valley 1162 00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:02,720 residents submitted questions in writing 1163 00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:05,200 to the Midpen representatives and we 1164 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,920 asked for answers and I will give just a 1165 00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:10,240 couple of examples. Uh, we don't 1166 00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:11,760 understand why Midpen is planning for 1167 00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:13,760 such a large parking area. Please 1168 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:17,359 explain. No answer. We asked is it and 1169 00:48:17,359 --> 00:48:19,440 Midpin's intention to use the Hawthorne 1170 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:22,960 as a hub? No answer. Uh, the We talked 1171 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,599 about the conferation easement. We asked 1172 00:48:25,599 --> 00:48:27,760 uh that it clearly violates the 1173 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,880 easement. Has post or mid pen gotten a 1174 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,359 legal opinion about that? No answer. 1175 00:48:33,359 --> 00:48:35,599 Those are just some of the answers we 1176 00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:39,520 didn't get. So I have a specific request 1177 00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:42,160 tonight and that is that the town use 1178 00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,440 its weight and in influence and bring it 1179 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,000 to bear on mid pen and I would like the 1180 00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:51,280 town to take a stand in writing to Mid 1181 00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:52,800 Pen confronting them about their 1182 00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:54,800 violations of the easement. And by 1183 00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:57,040 violations I don't mean hostility but 1184 00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:58,800 that we want we expect and we're 1185 00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:00,480 entitled to these answers we've been 1186 00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,400 trying to get for years and years and 1187 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,200 mid pen and post won't answer. And the 1188 00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,280 same letter, I would submit the same 1189 00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:09,920 letter should go to Post because Post 1190 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,720 and Mid Pen have this symbiotic 1191 00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:14,559 relationship. And I'm going to call it 1192 00:49:14,559 --> 00:49:18,800 what it is. It's conclusion. It's a It's 1193 00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,680 >> Thank you. Thank you. I'm trying so 1194 00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,079 hard. Oh, I have 28 seconds. Oh, good. 1195 00:49:24,079 --> 00:49:25,599 >> Yeah. You're No, no, no. You're o you're 1196 00:49:25,599 --> 00:49:26,800 over. You're I'm gonna have to ask 1197 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:27,839 >> Oh, I am. I'm sorry. 1198 00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:29,520 >> This is You're 30 seconds over, so I'm 1199 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,040 gonna have to ask you this. 1200 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:31,440 >> Okay. 1201 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,119 >> Yeah. Do you have like one last comment 1202 00:49:33,119 --> 00:49:35,119 and then wrap it? Can you just wrap up? 1203 00:49:35,119 --> 00:49:36,480 >> Yeah, I'll wrap up really, really 1204 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,880 quickly. Um, 1205 00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,480 Mo Post needs to know that its 1206 00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:43,040 reputation and even its fundraising are 1207 00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:46,800 at are being imperiled here. I used to 1208 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:48,720 support Post. I supported them 1209 00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:50,800 financially. I supported them with with 1210 00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,920 my efforts. I told Post that I was done 1211 00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:56,800 with them after they refused to answer 1212 00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,839 any one of my questions about how the 1213 00:49:59,839 --> 00:50:03,359 easement violations could occur. Not one 1214 00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:05,760 answer. And so I'd like those to go to 1215 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,359 post and to mid pan. Thank you. 1216 00:50:07,359 --> 00:50:10,079 >> Okay. Thank you very much. 1217 00:50:10,079 --> 00:50:11,680 >> Three minutes is tough. 1218 00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:13,280 >> I I hear you. 1219 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,079 >> Necessary. 1220 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:15,680 >> But we have a lot lot of people I think 1221 00:50:15,680 --> 00:50:20,309 they want to speak. So thank you. 1222 00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:22,160 » Yeah. 1223 00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:23,920 But but at the Supreme Court there are 1224 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,280 few people that want to speak. Um who 1225 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:28,720 who's next? Uh 1226 00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:36,309 >> next is Linda Olsen. Linda 1227 00:50:36,319 --> 00:50:37,920 » Veronica, could you say the next person 1228 00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:39,040 after Linda? 1229 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:41,200 >> And then followed by Linda Brothers. 1230 00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:45,910 >> Okay, great. Thanks. 1231 00:50:45,920 --> 00:50:47,200 » Welcome. 1232 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,160 >> Thank you. Welcome. 1233 00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,599 Good [clears throat] evening, everyone. 1234 00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:55,119 Um, my name is Linda Olsen and I live at 1235 00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:59,280 27 Valley Oak in Portola Valley Ranch. 1236 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:03,119 Um, I have attended many Midpin meetings 1237 00:51:03,119 --> 00:51:06,319 concerning the Hawthorne's project and I 1238 00:51:06,319 --> 00:51:08,480 really feel that Midpin fell in love 1239 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,880 with their plan and they had a difficult 1240 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,200 time understanding concerns that were 1241 00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,040 raised. 1242 00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,119 Overall, I'm very concerned that the 1243 00:51:17,119 --> 00:51:19,119 Hawthorne's project is being 1244 00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:21,280 overdeveloped, 1245 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,160 excuse me, for this 79 acre mini 1246 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:27,040 boutique open space. I think for many 1247 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,319 visitors, it will be a oneanddone visit. 1248 00:51:30,319 --> 00:51:33,359 It is just too small. 1249 00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:36,400 As husband said previously, the proposed 1250 00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,599 parking lot for 50 cars is ridiculous 1251 00:51:39,599 --> 00:51:42,079 and it should not be a hub for Windy 1252 00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,559 Hill. We believe that the proposed 1253 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,880 parking lot violates the conservation 1254 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,480 easement. may oppose connectors 1255 00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,559 to sweet springs due to to fire noise 1256 00:51:54,559 --> 00:51:57,680 and privacy issues. For Valley Ranch 1257 00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,079 does not employ rangers to monitor the 1258 00:52:00,079 --> 00:52:03,200 trails. We also oppose connectors to 1259 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:06,079 Valley Oak. Valley Oak is a street with 1260 00:52:06,079 --> 00:52:08,480 a sidewalk. There is no Valley Oak 1261 00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:11,760 trail. To connect to Upper Los Tranos 1262 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,000 Trail, you would have to walk in front 1263 00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,040 of 20 homes. This is a neighborhood, not 1264 00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:20,319 an open space. Finally, the Hawthorne's 1265 00:52:20,319 --> 00:52:22,319 project is distinct from other open 1266 00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:24,400 spaces and therefore should be 1267 00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,559 considered in a different way. It is 1268 00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:29,760 unique, a small property surrounded by 1269 00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:32,800 residential and commercial buildings. 1270 00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,440 As Leslie said, please be thoughtful as 1271 00:52:35,440 --> 00:52:37,680 you proceed with this project. Thank 1272 00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:38,400 you. 1273 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:42,230 >> Thank you. 1274 00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:45,040 Who's after? Linda and And Linda, before 1275 00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,680 you start, can I get a sense how many 1276 00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:49,440 people in the room are still waiting to 1277 00:52:49,440 --> 00:52:51,920 speak? Not that you've spoken. So, one, 1278 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:55,280 two, three, four. Okay. Um, and I've got 1279 00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:56,880 a couple online. I just I need to make 1280 00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,559 sure we get done in time so the council 1281 00:52:58,559 --> 00:53:00,960 can have some discussion. So, um, Linda, 1282 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:01,839 please welcome. 1283 00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:03,599 >> You start the clock. Would you like me 1284 00:53:03,599 --> 00:53:06,000 to give you a minute or two on because I 1285 00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:06,319 think 1286 00:53:06,319 --> 00:53:08,880 >> No, indicate a lack of understanding. 1287 00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:11,200 >> We're going to start the clock. We're a little too tight. 1288 00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:12,960 >> Okay. I I know you have a lot to add, 1289 00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:14,559 but we're a little too tight tonight. 1290 00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:17,839 >> Well, there are some important points. 1291 00:53:17,839 --> 00:53:19,760 >> Yeah, I'm not going to waste my time. 1292 00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,880 Uh, as a chair of the planning 1293 00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,880 commission, I've been working with the 1294 00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,119 amazing new staff we have to make sure 1295 00:53:27,119 --> 00:53:29,680 that we're applying all of our land use 1296 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,720 laws regularly and consistently across 1297 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:35,119 the town. Part of that has been looking 1298 00:53:35,119 --> 00:53:39,119 for some of the um outstanding, if you 1299 00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:40,640 will, 1300 00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:45,599 in the sense of not dealt with um uh 1301 00:53:45,599 --> 00:53:47,839 conditional use permits. And not too 1302 00:53:47,839 --> 00:53:50,800 long ago, we came across the conditional 1303 00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,800 use permit for the Windy Hill parking 1304 00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,800 area on Ptorial Road. I did that in my 1305 00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,119 job as chair, and now what I'm about to 1306 00:53:59,119 --> 00:54:01,680 say, this permit has not yet come to the 1307 00:54:01,680 --> 00:54:05,119 commission. But uh once the uh once we 1308 00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:06,960 found the conditional use permit, I went 1309 00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,720 out to that parking lot with some 1310 00:54:08,720 --> 00:54:11,359 traffic experts and made a couple of 1311 00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:13,040 observations. I think these are of 1312 00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:14,800 direct interest to the Hawthorne's 1313 00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,480 project. And quite frankly, I think it's 1314 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:19,119 work Midpin should have done. They have 1315 00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:22,000 a parking problem for sure at Wendy 1316 00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,240 Hill, but they have a peak problem. They 1317 00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,480 do not have a problem all day long. The 1318 00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:28,160 way you solve a peak problem is you 1319 00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,960 regulate the lot. Why? and it's not in 1320 00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,119 the permit that we have now. Are they 1321 00:54:33,119 --> 00:54:36,079 not having patrollers, people out there 1322 00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:39,680 patrolling it? Um, secondly, and that's 1323 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,319 really only on the weekends. Uh, and I I 1324 00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:43,839 couldn't get more data, but I didn't in 1325 00:54:43,839 --> 00:54:45,760 the time available to me either run 1326 00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,040 cameras or drones. Um, the existing lot 1327 00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,720 is 48 spaces. It's it's it's described 1328 00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:55,839 as that with two spaces for handicap 1329 00:54:55,839 --> 00:54:59,359 parking. However, the area could easily 1330 00:54:59,359 --> 00:55:03,599 handle another 10 to 15, maybe even 20 1331 00:55:03,599 --> 00:55:06,319 additional spaces if it was set out 1332 00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:09,680 properly. It is a gravel lot. Um, 1333 00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,520 however, there are techniques available 1334 00:55:11,520 --> 00:55:14,160 for laying out parking areas, parking 1335 00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,680 spaces in a gravel lot. So, um, 1336 00:55:17,680 --> 00:55:20,960 obviously that solves part of the Windy 1337 00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:23,040 Hill parking problem, if you will. 1338 00:55:23,040 --> 00:55:26,319 Remember that Midpin has identified the 1339 00:55:26,319 --> 00:55:28,319 Hawthorne's project as part of their 1340 00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:30,640 Windy Hill preserve. So, it is pretty 1341 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:32,400 obvious that they intend, and I think 1342 00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:33,680 they've said this in some of their 1343 00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,920 documents, for people to park there, a 1344 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,559 walk along our town roads, either Alpine 1345 00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:41,359 or Portola, to enter their parks. Uh 1346 00:55:41,359 --> 00:55:43,359 they do have a sign directing overflow 1347 00:55:43,359 --> 00:55:46,000 traffic to uh the town center, but 1348 00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:47,839 again, they don't have anybody there 1349 00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:51,760 patrolling it. Uh so additionally, 1350 00:55:51,760 --> 00:55:54,240 Midpin owns the property immediately 1351 00:55:54,240 --> 00:55:56,799 available to that parking lot. There's a 1352 00:55:56,799 --> 00:55:59,520 overwide road that could easily be 1353 00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:01,920 modified. And that parking lot, 1354 00:56:01,920 --> 00:56:04,000 according to the experts I've talked to, 1355 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,920 with very little problem, could be 1356 00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:09,839 revised to add uh 50 uh a total of 50 1357 00:56:09,839 --> 00:56:12,720 more spaces. Um 1358 00:56:12,720 --> 00:56:15,200 uh let's see, there's also existing 1359 00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:17,599 problems with the dust. I don't usually 1360 00:56:17,599 --> 00:56:19,119 write out my comments, but I want to 1361 00:56:19,119 --> 00:56:21,200 digress for just a second. I see the 1362 00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,520 time, Greg. Uh, I'm going to hold you to 1363 00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:23,839 it. 1364 00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:25,599 >> The uh I haven't gotten to the most 1365 00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:26,559 important part. I'm going to read you 1366 00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:29,520 part of the permit. Um, 1367 00:56:29,520 --> 00:56:31,280 now I've lost my train of thought. Thank 1368 00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:33,920 you very much. Uh, but anyway, the the 1369 00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,880 existing lot has some serious problems 1370 00:56:36,880 --> 00:56:39,599 with dust and I'm understanding that it 1371 00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:43,760 is also has problems with uh uh 1372 00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:49,520 robberies. So, the land use Linda, Linda, I'm Linda, we're 30 sec. 1373 00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:52,079 Linda, we're 30 seconds over. I've got 1374 00:56:52,079 --> 00:56:53,440 six people that want to talk and the 1375 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,200 council needs to. So, what I would ask 1376 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,200 is Linda, 1377 00:56:57,200 --> 00:56:59,200 >> Linda, what I would ask is, can you 1378 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,520 could you send this in? Could you write 1379 00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:02,799 this up? Send it to us. 1380 00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:04,240 >> You've got it. I've already sent it to 1381 00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:04,640 you. 1382 00:57:04,640 --> 00:57:06,720 >> Okay. But I want to say is I found out 1383 00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:08,160 today, even though you don't want me to 1384 00:57:08,160 --> 00:57:09,520 say it, you can cut off the microphone 1385 00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,599 if you want, that the town has agreed 1386 00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:13,760 that we will now undertake the periodic 1387 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,440 review uh set forth in this permit. And 1388 00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:18,799 hopefully this will be before the 1389 00:57:18,799 --> 00:57:20,720 planning commission very soon. 1390 00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:21,680 >> We'll look forward to it. 1391 00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,640 >> I could read that to you if I 1392 00:57:24,640 --> 00:57:31,910 >> Thank you. Who Who's next? 1393 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,920 Can we can we just line up the next four 1394 00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:35,359 so that we can kind of get through it 1395 00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:37,440 quickly? Thank you. Just keep everybody 1396 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:40,559 on tap so there's not even time. 1397 00:57:40,559 --> 00:57:43,839 >> Hi, I'm Carter War. Uh I'm on the 1398 00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:45,119 >> Y. Welcome, Carter. 1399 00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:48,799 >> Hi, I live at 260 Willerbrook Drive. I 1400 00:57:48,799 --> 00:57:50,640 I'm I'm here to, you know, help you 1401 00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:53,040 understand what I think the first step, 1402 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,880 you know, should be, you know, rather 1403 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:56,960 than hiring consultants is use, you 1404 00:57:56,960 --> 00:57:58,720 know, your your current legal, you know, 1405 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:02,400 council to remind Midpen of what the 1406 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,960 real process is in Porto Valley on 1407 00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:07,200 properties, you know, that are not zoned 1408 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:09,440 for the use that they intend to use it 1409 00:58:09,440 --> 00:58:12,799 for. Uh the open space use is not an 1410 00:58:12,799 --> 00:58:15,200 allowed use, you know, in the RE zoning 1411 00:58:15,200 --> 00:58:17,359 district. there isn't any need, you 1412 00:58:17,359 --> 00:58:19,280 know, for the town to spend money on on 1413 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:23,359 the open space element at this time. Uh 1414 00:58:23,359 --> 00:58:25,440 the town was originally, you know, 1415 00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:28,720 founded on the and didn't zone 1416 00:58:28,720 --> 00:58:32,000 properties, you know, for specific uses 1417 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,400 uh to provide the town with the 1418 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:37,599 opportunity to conditionally approve and 1419 00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:40,000 conditionally manage those properties 1420 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,799 for special uses. It's a reason that, 1421 00:58:42,799 --> 00:58:44,640 you know, Midpen, you know, has, you 1422 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:46,880 know, an open, you know, has a a 1423 00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:48,640 conditional use permit, you know, for 1424 00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,200 Windy Hill. Now, I don't think it's, you 1425 00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:53,280 know, prudent to spend money, you know, 1426 00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:57,280 on proactive work other than to remind 1427 00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:59,520 Midben, you know, that the town does 1428 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:01,920 have the legal obligation to review, you 1429 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:03,599 know, their use under the current 1430 00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:05,599 zoning, 1431 00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:08,079 uh, and to deal with that zoning unless 1432 00:59:08,079 --> 00:59:11,200 Medpan intends to change the zoning. And 1433 00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:14,160 at that point they can pay the bill you 1434 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,079 know for the open space element and the 1435 00:59:16,079 --> 00:59:18,160 reasonzoning 1436 00:59:18,160 --> 00:59:21,040 uh use permit process gives the town the 1437 00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:23,119 opportunity you know to enforce the 1438 00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:25,760 conservation easement you know a andor 1439 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,400 apply you know subjective you know 1440 00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:31,200 design criteria you know to protect you 1441 00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:32,880 know the the portions of the property 1442 00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,960 that I think we're all concerned about 1443 00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:37,200 you know including you know uh you know 1444 00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:41,200 the access ways uh and the uh the the 1445 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:44,160 face of the hill that faces down towards 1446 00:59:44,160 --> 00:59:47,440 uh you know Alpine Road. There are 1447 00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:49,680 there's plenty in the existing zoning 1448 00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:52,319 ordinance, you know, to control this and 1449 00:59:52,319 --> 00:59:54,640 reminding them that that those 1450 00:59:54,640 --> 00:59:58,160 applications should be in in place, you 1451 00:59:58,160 --> 01:00:02,079 know, prior to them reviewing SQA. SQL 1452 01:00:02,079 --> 01:00:04,400 should be the last thing, you know, uh 1453 01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,400 and should be reviewed by the planning 1454 01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:08,480 commission, you know, rather than, you 1455 01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,200 know, having them do that in in a 1456 01:00:11,200 --> 01:00:13,520 in-house. They're just like any other 1457 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:16,079 property owner in town. They shouldn't 1458 01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:17,599 be, you know, given any special 1459 01:00:17,599 --> 01:00:19,119 dispensation 1460 01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:20,960 uh unless they're going to provide 1461 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,040 things to the town that, you know, were 1462 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:26,240 not already being provided. 1463 01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:30,870 >> Thank you. 1464 01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:31,920 Welcome. 1465 01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:34,400 >> Thank you. I'm Charles Moroni, 25 Coyote 1466 01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,799 Hill. I sent you a note about some of 1467 01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:39,599 our previous work at Bola Valley Ranch. 1468 01:00:39,599 --> 01:00:42,720 Um, we originally opposed these issues 1469 01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:45,680 at the ranch, had over 200 people sign a 1470 01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,880 petition, over a 100 homes expressing 1471 01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,640 the same concerns you've heard tonight. 1472 01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:54,160 So, I'm not going to retalk those. Um, 1473 01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:57,280 but I will point out that at the last 1474 01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,200 midpen meeting, and I think Mr. Mayor, 1475 01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:02,079 you were there, um, they decided to go 1476 01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:05,839 ahead with SQA and part of the choice 1477 01:01:05,839 --> 01:01:08,480 that was given to the midpen board was, 1478 01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:11,440 oh, we can go to the town council and we 1479 01:01:11,440 --> 01:01:14,799 can negotiate some of these issues that 1480 01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:17,040 we're all discussing here tonight. And 1481 01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,079 they said, no, we're not going to do 1482 01:01:20,079 --> 01:01:22,319 that because we've done that once 1483 01:01:22,319 --> 01:01:25,040 before. something with the same property 1484 01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,160 I think in the um the historic area on 1485 01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:30,640 the other side. I'm not aware of it, but 1486 01:01:30,640 --> 01:01:32,000 they said, you know, we did that once. 1487 01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,680 We waste a lot of time. We're not going 1488 01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,400 to do this again. We're going to do SQA. 1489 01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:38,319 We're going to throw it over the 1490 01:01:38,319 --> 01:01:41,040 transom, let them chew on it, and then 1491 01:01:41,040 --> 01:01:43,359 they can get back to us. So, if you're 1492 01:01:43,359 --> 01:01:45,680 moving towards a negotiated settlement, 1493 01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:47,359 at least I think you need to keep that 1494 01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:49,440 in mind because I don't think there's 1495 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,359 going to be negotiated settlement. Thank 1496 01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:51,760 you. 1497 01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:57,670 >> Great. Thank you. Who's next? 1498 01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:58,640 » Welcome. 1499 01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:01,680 >> Thank you, uh, town council. Um, I'm 1500 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,319 going to speed ahead. I have my remarks 1501 01:02:04,319 --> 01:02:06,720 hopefully sent around. I want to throw 1502 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,599 my support, my straw vote in favor of 1503 01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:12,319 the areas three and four, that's 1504 01:02:12,319 --> 01:02:14,799 engaging midpen and engaging post as 1505 01:02:14,799 --> 01:02:17,839 soon as we possibly can. to illustrate 1506 01:02:17,839 --> 01:02:20,720 why it is high time to ask post to join 1507 01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:23,040 us at the table. They have a legal 1508 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,839 obligation to represent the terms of the 1509 01:02:25,839 --> 01:02:28,720 existing conservation easement. And to 1510 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,599 bring home why, let's turn to the 1511 01:02:31,599 --> 01:02:33,920 midpen's frequently asked questions 1512 01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:37,040 number three on agenda page seven. The 1513 01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:39,119 question reads, does the conservation 1514 01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:41,760 easement need to be altered to implement 1515 01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,000 public access at the Hawthorne's 1516 01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:46,559 property? The answer is longer, but I 1517 01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:48,880 will dive into a couple of pieces. 1518 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:50,720 Midpen's response draws from the 1519 01:02:50,720 --> 01:02:54,720 conservation ement section 6 I, where 1520 01:02:54,720 --> 01:02:56,480 the conservation easement states 1521 01:02:56,480 --> 01:02:59,119 construction of a limited staging area 1522 01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:01,200 around the perimeter of the improved 1523 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:04,400 portion as necessary to facilitate 1524 01:03:04,400 --> 01:03:07,119 public access. Clear enough? Two 1525 01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:11,040 sentences later, Nidpen adds that their, 1526 01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,119 and this is quote, proposed parking lot 1527 01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:16,400 options are located along the perimeter 1528 01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:20,160 of the improved portion. That statement 1529 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:24,240 is 1/2 true and one half not. As roughly 1530 01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:27,359 half the proposed lots 9 and 10 are 1531 01:03:27,359 --> 01:03:30,240 located in the unimproved portion, that 1532 01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:33,440 requires a correction for the record. 1533 01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,920 Secondly, the conservation easement was 1534 01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:39,839 explicit about what is permitted. 1535 01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:42,319 Quote, a staging area around the 1536 01:03:42,319 --> 01:03:44,799 perimeter of the improved portion, 1537 01:03:44,799 --> 01:03:47,599 though Midpen says, quote, the 1538 01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:50,480 conservation easement does not state 1539 01:03:50,480 --> 01:03:54,000 that the staging areas should be located 1540 01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:57,760 within the improved portion. 1541 01:03:57,760 --> 01:04:01,280 To understand this, context helps. I'm 1542 01:04:01,280 --> 01:04:05,520 referring now to this map as you all can 1543 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:07,599 see out there. It's shows the improved 1544 01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:11,599 and unimproved portions of of the entire 1545 01:04:11,599 --> 01:04:15,680 parcel. The improved portion is 42 plus 1546 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:19,680 acres. So around the perimeter of the 1547 01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,640 improved portion covers a substantial 1548 01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:25,839 circumference of the land area. 1549 01:04:25,839 --> 01:04:28,480 stretching that interpretation of what 1550 01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:32,720 around means and what permitted means to 1551 01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:34,880 justify that the easement actually 1552 01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:37,119 affords development opportunities in the 1553 01:04:37,119 --> 01:04:40,480 unimproved portion runs contrary to the 1554 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:43,440 plain language of the easement. It's 1555 01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:45,280 going to be a challenge for post to 1556 01:04:45,280 --> 01:04:48,400 defend that position if as midpen has 1557 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:50,640 represented them they are unwilling to 1558 01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:53,440 alter the conservation easement. We need 1559 01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:55,599 to make that point and to hear directly 1560 01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:58,400 from them. That is the lone specific 1561 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,240 example my allocated time allows for. If 1562 01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,400 and when you want to call on me to get 1563 01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,799 more ideas, please do. Thank you. 1564 01:05:06,799 --> 01:05:13,270 >> Thank you. Right. Who's next? Let's keep moving. 1565 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,680 » Hi, my name is Nona Cherryello and I'd 1566 01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:17,440 like to speak as an individual rather 1567 01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:20,160 than as a committee member tonight. I'd 1568 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,640 like to make four recommendations. 1569 01:05:22,640 --> 01:05:26,480 One, stay focused on three priorities. 1570 01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:29,440 Public safety, environmental protection, 1571 01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:32,960 and public access. In that order, Mid 1572 01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:35,520 Pen keeps saying no public access 1573 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:38,000 without parking. Portullah Valley needs 1574 01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,280 to say no parking without public safety 1575 01:05:41,280 --> 01:05:45,039 and environmental protection. That's it. 1576 01:05:45,039 --> 01:05:48,079 Two, evaluate legal means to challenge 1577 01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:50,319 Mid Pen's interpretation of the 1578 01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:52,880 Hawthorne's conservation easement. I 1579 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,799 won't say more about that. It's already 1580 01:05:54,799 --> 01:05:56,480 been discussed. 1581 01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:00,160 Three, proactively evaluate conflicts 1582 01:06:00,160 --> 01:06:02,880 between the Hawthorne's area plan and 1583 01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:05,520 Portrola Valley ordinances. 1584 01:06:05,520 --> 01:06:08,319 The town should proactively calculate 1585 01:06:08,319 --> 01:06:10,400 the cut and fill of the parking 1586 01:06:10,400 --> 01:06:11,920 schematics. 1587 01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,559 To that number, add the cut and fill for 1588 01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:16,720 the Hawthorne's trails that will be 1589 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:20,000 multi-use by hikers, dogs on leash, 1590 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,720 equestrians, and bicycles. 1591 01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,039 With that constellation of users, the 1592 01:06:25,039 --> 01:06:28,240 standard is a trail width of 10 ft at 1593 01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:31,920 minimum, more if it is heavily used. If 1594 01:06:31,920 --> 01:06:33,520 Midpen doesn't think there will be 1595 01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:36,240 enough use to require a trail width of 1596 01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,200 10 to 14 ft, then there won't be enough 1597 01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:42,799 use to justify a parking lot with 50 1598 01:06:42,799 --> 01:06:44,400 spaces. 1599 01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,559 The amount of cut and fill can be 1600 01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:49,039 calculated now and it's a critical 1601 01:06:49,039 --> 01:06:51,200 number for compliance with both the 1602 01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,079 conservation easement and for Portoella 1603 01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:56,880 Valley's municipal code. 1604 01:06:56,880 --> 01:07:00,480 Four, don't get drowned by Mid Pen's 1605 01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,240 documentation. 1606 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,079 The volume of documents about 1607 01:07:04,079 --> 01:07:07,200 Hawthorne's is daunting and it's conf 1608 01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:12,000 causing snafoos even for Midpen. 1609 01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:14,960 Midpen's written preface for the board's 1610 01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:18,000 review of the action plan stated that 1611 01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,920 the planning and natural resource 1612 01:07:19,920 --> 01:07:23,440 committee quote collectively reviewed 1613 01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,319 each section of the action table and 1614 01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:28,720 identified missing data needed 1615 01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,920 clarifications, typographic errors, 1616 01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:34,240 formatting problems, and numbering 1617 01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:38,240 issues to address. End quote. That 1618 01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,640 statement alone tells you that they know 1619 01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:44,000 they have a lot to sort out. They still 1620 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,039 do. The action table that the board was 1621 01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:50,000 asked to approve and did approve stated 1622 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,400 that the internal loop trail would be 1623 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,039 multi-use whereas the maps show, 1624 01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:57,119 including the maps you just saw and the 1625 01:07:57,119 --> 01:07:59,760 maps that Sarah showed, those maps show 1626 01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:02,720 that instead the multi-use trail is the 1627 01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,119 primary loop trail. 1628 01:08:05,119 --> 01:08:07,599 My point is that sorting through MIDI 1629 01:08:07,599 --> 01:08:11,520 pen's mountain iterated documents needs 1630 01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,960 a lot of eyes. Town committees, 1631 01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:18,799 residents, and AI can help with that. We 1632 01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:21,120 have been studying the Hawthors for 1633 01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,080 seven years and we are not done yet. 1634 01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:26,239 Please call on us. Thank you. 1635 01:08:26,239 --> 01:08:28,880 >> Thank you. Anybody else in the 1636 01:08:28,880 --> 01:08:30,319 schoolhouse? All right, let me go to 1637 01:08:30,319 --> 01:08:34,470 Dave Cardinal. 1638 01:08:34,480 --> 01:08:38,480 Great. Hi, thanks. Um, first of all, I I 1639 01:08:38,480 --> 01:08:41,440 love the tool set presentation uh that 1640 01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:43,279 was given by the staff. I think those 1641 01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:46,080 are our tools and they're in our tool 1642 01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:48,799 box. And I think what you're 1643 01:08:48,799 --> 01:08:51,440 increasingly hearing tonight maybe is 1644 01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:54,480 that it's not time to pick a tool. Maybe 1645 01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:58,960 it's time to decide what we want. Um, 1646 01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,199 from what I can see roughly, there's 1647 01:09:01,199 --> 01:09:04,560 maybe four big issues. The size of the 1648 01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:06,960 parking lot, the location of the parking 1649 01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:09,440 lot having to do with retaining walls, 1650 01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:11,759 where the exit is, and whether there's a 1651 01:09:11,759 --> 01:09:13,920 trail connection, and maybe there's 1652 01:09:13,920 --> 01:09:16,319 more, but you know, if we knew what we 1653 01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:19,839 wanted on those four, I think we could 1654 01:09:19,839 --> 01:09:23,759 um go forward. And I dovetail that into 1655 01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:27,359 what Carter said, which is like him. I 1656 01:09:27,359 --> 01:09:30,640 don't think it's like fine, let's spend 1657 01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,560 four months making up our mind what we 1658 01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,440 want. It's not nothing's going to 1659 01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:38,560 happen. And I don't know that anything 1660 01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:40,239 we spend money on in the next four 1661 01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:43,359 months is going to change anything. So I 1662 01:09:43,359 --> 01:09:45,759 think we need to get our act together 1663 01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:48,560 and decide what's important to us. And 1664 01:09:48,560 --> 01:09:50,080 then we can figure out, can we 1665 01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,520 negotiate? Do we sue? Do we do squa? I 1666 01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:56,239 don't know. Whatever. But um until then, 1667 01:09:56,239 --> 01:09:57,920 if we don't know what we want, it's hard 1668 01:09:57,920 --> 01:10:01,199 to know how to get there. Thank you. 1669 01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:03,280 >> Thank you. 1670 01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:06,400 So, we have a Zoom user hand up. Maybe 1671 01:10:06,400 --> 01:10:12,310 Dana 1672 01:10:12,320 --> 01:10:13,360 » need to unmute. 1673 01:10:13,360 --> 01:10:17,280 >> Yes, it's Dana. Unmute, Dana. Yes. Hi. 1674 01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:18,000 >> We got you. 1675 01:10:18,000 --> 01:10:21,520 >> All right. Thank you. Um I I was glad to 1676 01:10:21,520 --> 01:10:23,520 see Linda Brothers in the audience 1677 01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,960 because Linda is a high-end squa 1678 01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:29,120 attorney and she's chair of the planning 1679 01:10:29,120 --> 01:10:31,280 commission. So, if anybody on the staff 1680 01:10:31,280 --> 01:10:35,199 needs to talk to a squa expert, talk to 1681 01:10:35,199 --> 01:10:37,520 Linda and it'll save us some money. 1682 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:42,480 Number one. Um, and then for her uh her 1683 01:10:42,480 --> 01:10:44,800 comments, Windy Hill, I've been asking 1684 01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:48,960 the town for decades to have the cup of 1685 01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,000 the Windy Hill parking lot changed. They 1686 01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,199 could put another 15 cars in there. The 1687 01:10:55,199 --> 01:10:57,199 other point I really want to make and I 1688 01:10:57,199 --> 01:10:59,280 feel strongly about this is that the 1689 01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,159 open space element must is going to be 1690 01:11:02,159 --> 01:11:05,600 changed. There must be a committee of 1691 01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:08,000 residents. Unlike what happened with the 1692 01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:11,679 safety element, I think anytime we touch 1693 01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:14,159 our constitution, there needs to be a 1694 01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:17,360 committee of residents weighing in on it 1695 01:11:17,360 --> 01:11:20,640 all the time. Thank you. 1696 01:11:20,640 --> 01:11:22,159 >> Thank you. 1697 01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:26,790 >> Rita, you're up next. 1698 01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:29,120 » Thank you for taking my comment. I think 1699 01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,600 it's important to review our current 1700 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:33,760 ordinances. The planning commission 1701 01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:36,000 meeting for next week has already been 1702 01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:38,719 cancelled. You know, we have not had an 1703 01:11:38,719 --> 01:11:40,880 easy consistent relationship with MIDI 1704 01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,440 pen over this particular project and 1705 01:11:43,440 --> 01:11:46,960 it's costing our town our own rights. 1706 01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:48,719 Let's have the competent planning 1707 01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:51,040 commission review these materials so 1708 01:11:51,040 --> 01:11:53,520 that we can get back on tracks to our 1709 01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:56,000 rights for the continued enjoyment of 1710 01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,880 our beautiful town by its residents for 1711 01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,440 the reasons we chose this town over 1712 01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:04,239 others to live and raise our families. 1713 01:12:04,239 --> 01:12:06,000 You know, there's things that we can do. 1714 01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:07,840 We can have the planning commission 1715 01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:10,880 review the current situation. And two, 1716 01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:13,679 if needed, make a subgroup of residents 1717 01:12:13,679 --> 01:12:15,679 that have been holding the brain trust 1718 01:12:15,679 --> 01:12:17,520 of this issue cuz it seems that that's 1719 01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:20,480 the issue with mid pen. Uh there they 1720 01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:22,400 want to cry that we're inconsistent 1721 01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:24,719 because of staff changes and council 1722 01:12:24,719 --> 01:12:26,880 changes. But you know what? There's lots 1723 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,960 of other people in our town, including 1724 01:12:28,960 --> 01:12:31,360 past council people and and past 1725 01:12:31,360 --> 01:12:34,320 employees that uh have held that brain 1726 01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,440 trust if uh the current people in church 1727 01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:40,239 uh cannot remember. and to use our 1728 01:12:40,239 --> 01:12:41,760 ordinances. 1729 01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,840 When I built my house, Pollola Valley 1730 01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:47,440 had no problem at all to remind me of 1731 01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:50,400 different laws and rules and current 1732 01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:53,199 ordinances. Let's hold the outside 1733 01:12:53,199 --> 01:12:56,159 organizations that are building in this 1734 01:12:56,159 --> 01:12:59,120 town to those same high levels so that 1735 01:12:59,120 --> 01:13:03,199 we can be safe, have low fire danger, 1736 01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:07,360 and be able to drive through our streets 1737 01:13:07,360 --> 01:13:09,199 safely. 1738 01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:11,520 and not have to look at glare from 50 1739 01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,679 cars when we're going to Robert's 1740 01:13:13,679 --> 01:13:16,480 Market. Thank you very much. 1741 01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:19,679 >> Thank you. All right. Anybody else in 1742 01:13:19,679 --> 01:13:21,440 the schoolhouse? 1743 01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:23,360 I don't see anybody else online, so I'm 1744 01:13:23,360 --> 01:13:26,000 going to close public comment. Thank you 1745 01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,640 all. Um all your public comments and 1746 01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,800 extremely useful. I'm I'm going to bring 1747 01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:33,440 it back to the council. We have 15 1748 01:13:33,440 --> 01:13:35,920 minutes. We have five council members. 1749 01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:37,440 Um so I think we have a choice here. 1750 01:13:37,440 --> 01:13:39,760 either people can be brief and we can 1751 01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:41,600 start staff on this process or we can 1752 01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:43,760 continue this site. 1753 01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:45,760 So, do people feel like they can be 1754 01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:47,600 brief? Because I think the goal here is 1755 01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:50,640 to give staff some initial input and we 1756 01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:52,719 can revisit this, but if you don't feel 1757 01:13:52,719 --> 01:13:55,440 like that's sufficient, then we could 1758 01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:58,080 continue it. So, can I just get a rough 1759 01:13:58,080 --> 01:14:00,239 sense for people feel like they can stay 1760 01:14:00,239 --> 01:14:03,040 in their three minutes? 1761 01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:05,600 Just a yes or a no just before we start. 1762 01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:07,760 If this is going to be one and done, I I 1763 01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:11,120 think I'm gonna It's coming back. If we 1764 01:14:11,120 --> 01:14:13,440 give you direction, 1765 01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:15,840 it's coming back. And at that point, we 1766 01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,320 can dive into nuance. It's we clearly 1767 01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:19,520 don't have time tonight 1768 01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:21,199 >> and and that's my expectation is we're 1769 01:14:21,199 --> 01:14:23,760 giving very highlevel direction to staff 1770 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:25,520 tonight and then they're going to come 1771 01:14:25,520 --> 01:14:27,679 back and then we can start getting into 1772 01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:29,280 detail. But that that's the only reason 1773 01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:30,800 I would suggest that we could get it 1774 01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:32,880 done in the time. So 1775 01:14:32,880 --> 01:14:34,800 >> I would just suggest that we zoom 1776 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,719 through all five of us and say what our 1777 01:14:36,719 --> 01:14:39,840 higher goal is first and then if there's 1778 01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:41,440 a little bit more time we can go into 1779 01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:43,600 kind of picking the whatever but 1780 01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:47,760 sticking with a really what is our goal? 1781 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:50,159 >> And I would say that will take me more 1782 01:14:50,159 --> 01:14:51,199 time. 1783 01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:52,400 >> Okay. [laughter] 1784 01:14:52,400 --> 01:14:56,239 >> Well, um shall we give it a try versus? 1785 01:14:56,239 --> 01:14:57,360 All right. So let's give it a try. All 1786 01:14:57,360 --> 01:14:59,280 right. Who who would like to go first? 1787 01:14:59,280 --> 01:15:02,080 Um we now have like 12 minutes. Can we 1788 01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:03,760 set the timer, please? 1789 01:15:03,760 --> 01:15:04,159 >> Uh, 1790 01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:05,120 >> I'm sorry. 1791 01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:06,640 >> No, we're not. 1792 01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:07,120 >> What? 1793 01:15:07,120 --> 01:15:08,719 >> She wants to set the timer on us. 1794 01:15:08,719 --> 01:15:10,880 >> No, no, no, no. This the council doesn't 1795 01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,880 get a timer, but I'm just asking council 1796 01:15:12,880 --> 01:15:15,040 members to be respectful of the time. 1797 01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:16,880 >> So, yeah. No, it's that's fine. So, no, 1798 01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:18,400 we don't need a timer. So, who would 1799 01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:19,280 like to go first? May 1800 01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:20,880 >> I would like to go first because I gave 1801 01:15:20,880 --> 01:15:22,480 my time in the beginning. 1802 01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:24,000 >> I wanted to hear the public comment, 1803 01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:25,920 which was excellent and very much 1804 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:30,640 appreciated. Uh I I think that 1805 01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:32,560 speed is of the essence with this and 1806 01:15:32,560 --> 01:15:34,159 I've been saying that for the last six 1807 01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:38,320 months. Uh I think that we have to get a 1808 01:15:38,320 --> 01:15:41,360 memorandum of understanding with bid pen 1809 01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:44,159 now and I think we can do that before 1810 01:15:44,159 --> 01:15:46,880 December. I don't think it has to be 1811 01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,760 expensive. Uh I don't think it has to 1812 01:15:49,760 --> 01:15:53,920 take a lot of staff time. I think um 1813 01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,640 that would be my first thing my first 1814 01:15:56,640 --> 01:15:59,520 point of action. Uh I think the 1815 01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,280 conservation easement enforcement is 1816 01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:04,000 something that all of the residents of 1817 01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:05,840 Warola Valley are going to be much more 1818 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,840 effective than the town government is 1819 01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:12,320 going to be uh at uh at pressuring uh 1820 01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:15,360 post to honor its conservation easements 1821 01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:18,080 in the ways that we find are meaningful. 1822 01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,560 We as donors to uh the Peninsula Open 1823 01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:24,960 Space Trust trust that they will protect 1824 01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:26,960 their cover their their conservation 1825 01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,040 easements. It's not the duty of the town 1826 01:16:29,040 --> 01:16:31,760 council to to remind them of that duty. 1827 01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:35,120 So I would say strongly I support number 1828 01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:39,040 three. Um I am unaware of what the role 1829 01:16:39,040 --> 01:16:42,800 would be in that of for the town but I u 1830 01:16:42,800 --> 01:16:45,440 the structure that I would like to see 1831 01:16:45,440 --> 01:16:47,840 would involve one or two members from 1832 01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:50,159 the town council perhaps one member from 1833 01:16:50,159 --> 01:16:53,280 the one or two members from the school 1834 01:16:53,280 --> 01:16:57,760 board and one or two members from the uh 1835 01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:01,199 from the MOSD board or maybe just one. 1836 01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:04,960 Um, and uh, I'd like to see that get 1837 01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,880 started before the end of the year. 1838 01:17:08,880 --> 01:17:12,239 >> And just just to clarify, you're what 1839 01:17:12,239 --> 01:17:14,000 we're calling number three is some kind 1840 01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,199 of negotiated settlement. 1841 01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:17,440 >> It's called negotiated agreement between 1842 01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:18,640 the town and the midpen. 1843 01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:20,239 >> I just we talked about different I just 1844 01:17:20,239 --> 01:17:21,520 want to make sure we 1845 01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:23,199 >> Great. Okay. Who wants to be next? And 1846 01:17:23,199 --> 01:17:25,280 again, please try to keep it brief. You 1847 01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:26,719 have 10 minutes. 1848 01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:27,360 >> 10 minutes. 1849 01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,679 >> I'm happy to go last. Others can go. 1850 01:17:29,679 --> 01:17:32,080 Okay, Rebecca three. 1851 01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,960 >> Okay. Um, so I I was just going to just 1852 01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:36,880 state my goal and my goal is to 1853 01:17:36,880 --> 01:17:40,000 dramatically reduce the impact on the 1854 01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:44,159 site um in terms of the two per the two 1855 01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:46,320 immense parking lots and to find 1856 01:17:46,320 --> 01:17:48,159 alternatives for those park for the 1857 01:17:48,159 --> 01:17:50,000 parking if that's really the that seems 1858 01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:52,320 to be the biggest issue just eliminating 1859 01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:53,840 those two huge parking lots and finding 1860 01:17:53,840 --> 01:17:55,760 alternatives. I think there's a way to 1861 01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:57,840 study that. And so that would fall under 1862 01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,920 number two, the zoning regulations. Um, 1863 01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:05,520 and you know, I I think we can uh 1864 01:18:05,520 --> 01:18:08,080 present a way of of alternatives to 1865 01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:09,920 midpen for finding other parking. So 1866 01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:11,440 there's a lot of parking that could be 1867 01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:14,159 found. Um, I do think we need to keep a 1868 01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:16,080 positive relationship with Midpen. So, I 1869 01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,320 would be in favor of some type of 1870 01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:19,920 committee or group that would approach 1871 01:18:19,920 --> 01:18:21,360 and the staff as well that would 1872 01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:23,199 approach Midpin and try to come up with 1873 01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:27,920 some type of of potential settlement. I think it's, 1874 01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:29,600 you know, perhaps a fool's errand, but I 1875 01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:30,640 do think we need to continue 1876 01:18:30,640 --> 01:18:34,560 communication with them. Um, 1877 01:18:34,560 --> 01:18:37,760 let's see. Uh, conservation easement. I 1878 01:18:37,760 --> 01:18:39,360 think we should be sending a note to 1879 01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,120 post to get clarification on the 1880 01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:42,400 conservation easement. That's number 1881 01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:45,120 four. And then in terms of squa, I would 1882 01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:49,280 just want to know it have a very small 1883 01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,120 uh study to say whether or not that 1884 01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,760 would prove fruitful. If we can work 1885 01:18:53,760 --> 01:18:56,640 with the with the um school board to 1886 01:18:56,640 --> 01:18:58,320 help provide funding for that, then that 1887 01:18:58,320 --> 01:19:00,560 would be something also to pursue. So 1888 01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,520 I'm falling on all four unfortunately. 1889 01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:07,120 >> Great. Thank you, Ellen. 1890 01:19:07,120 --> 01:19:08,719 Um [clears throat] 1891 01:19:08,719 --> 01:19:12,960 so um similar to Rebecca actually um 1892 01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:15,040 reducing the impact of the parking while 1893 01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,080 keeping our kids safe and you know 1894 01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:22,719 pedestrians along that route. Um 1895 01:19:22,719 --> 01:19:26,480 so but I'm going to swap because I'm 1896 01:19:26,480 --> 01:19:28,239 going to say negotiated agreement with 1897 01:19:28,239 --> 01:19:37,120 Midpin by studying parking. Um, so I'm I'm putting number three first, but 1898 01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:40,000 I would like to see a parking study 1899 01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:41,760 done. 1900 01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:44,800 um like that would be a priority for me 1901 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:47,760 so that we could actually point to it 1902 01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:51,360 when we are working with all parties 1903 01:19:51,360 --> 01:19:53,840 about what are what are our hopeful 1904 01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,880 solutions like what are possibilities 1905 01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:58,640 and we don't have that technical 1906 01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:02,480 analysis at this point. Um 1907 01:20:02,480 --> 01:20:05,280 along with you know along with parking 1908 01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:08,400 management often comes pedestrian 1909 01:20:08,400 --> 01:20:11,920 management as well because of the safety 1910 01:20:11,920 --> 01:20:15,760 around parking um that helps with uh 1911 01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:17,520 pedestrian 1912 01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:19,280 um 1913 01:20:19,280 --> 01:20:23,040 uh and pedestrian access. So, um, and 1914 01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:26,400 then I would, um, you know, I would love 1915 01:20:26,400 --> 01:20:28,560 to update our open space element with 1916 01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:30,800 our zoning regulations, 1917 01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:34,320 but my understanding, 1918 01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:36,560 um, Carter, respectfully, 1919 01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:39,360 is because it's another public agency 1920 01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,760 that is the property owner that they 1921 01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,000 have certain rights. 1922 01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:45,600 um kind of like when the school 1923 01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,320 district, you know, that they were able 1924 01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,640 to build without having to go through 1925 01:20:50,640 --> 01:20:54,880 our permitting process, right? Um so 1926 01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,800 it's, you know, that you, you know, the 1927 01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,480 school district needed an encroachment 1928 01:20:58,480 --> 01:21:02,000 permit when they, you know, crossed 1929 01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,400 public land to get to Alpine Road kind 1930 01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,640 of idea. And that's a sim a similar 1931 01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:10,000 situation that we're in. Um, so I'm 1932 01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,239 worried about going for the o, you know, 1933 01:21:12,239 --> 01:21:14,640 updating an open space element and 1934 01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,199 zoning rags and doing that all and then 1935 01:21:17,199 --> 01:21:20,320 not ha not it it won't make a difference 1936 01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:22,239 because it's a public agency who has 1937 01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:27,120 their own jurisdictional rights. Um 1938 01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,760 uh in terms of the conservation easement 1939 01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:31,840 enforcement again we don't have 1940 01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:33,440 jurisdictional 1941 01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:35,840 oversight because it's a public agency 1942 01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,640 and they have enforcement in terms of 1943 01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:42,000 post post and midpen have an ex you know 1944 01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,840 long history together of working 1945 01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:51,760 together and providing public access to their land. So um I'm I would you 1946 01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:54,480 know so scratching my head over that 1947 01:21:54,480 --> 01:21:56,480 one. I don't think we can really do much 1948 01:21:56,480 --> 01:21:58,560 unfortunately is I'm I'm just 1949 01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:02,000 pessimistic. Um but I do think that SQA 1950 01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:05,120 actually um I personally think that we 1951 01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:06,800 could weigh in and have comments and 1952 01:22:06,800 --> 01:22:09,199 that by law then they have to respond to 1953 01:22:09,199 --> 01:22:11,280 them. They can say that they have 1954 01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:15,199 responded to them and that they um don't 1955 01:22:15,199 --> 01:22:17,280 um and that they have met the spirit of 1956 01:22:17,280 --> 01:22:20,719 the law in their responses. Right? So, 1957 01:22:20,719 --> 01:22:23,280 um, and that's again why I would look at 1958 01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,199 the negotiated agreement to hopefully 1959 01:22:25,199 --> 01:22:27,600 find solutions for everyone, but and 1960 01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:30,080 first step to do a parking management so 1961 01:22:30,080 --> 01:22:31,600 that 1962 01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:33,840 um, know what we're aiming for when we 1963 01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:35,360 look at the options on the table with 1964 01:22:35,360 --> 01:22:38,480 parking management. Thank you, 1965 01:22:38,480 --> 01:22:39,840 >> Judith. 1966 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:42,480 >> Sure. Um, clearly there's a lot of 1967 01:22:42,480 --> 01:22:44,480 community concern. The community is 1968 01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:47,199 engaged in this issue and it should be. 1969 01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:50,080 Um, we're a small town. this is a a 1970 01:22:50,080 --> 01:22:52,880 property that's near space that everyone 1971 01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:58,320 visits. Um I think given that level of 1972 01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,760 community concern, we ought to ask staff 1973 01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:08,400 for option number five, which is what conversation subcommittees 1974 01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:11,280 uh outreach to our current committees 1975 01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:14,719 can help us all understand 1976 01:23:14,719 --> 01:23:17,600 and pull together a more cohesive view 1977 01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:20,719 of this. It's hard to react peace meal 1978 01:23:20,719 --> 01:23:25,440 for me. Um, and I don't think tonight 1979 01:23:25,440 --> 01:23:28,239 like this isn't a oneanddone thing. This 1980 01:23:28,239 --> 01:23:30,719 is going to be a continual topic over 1981 01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:33,840 the next year, two years, three years. 1982 01:23:33,840 --> 01:23:37,520 And it you can't undo it, right? So, I I 1983 01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:40,159 do take that very seriously. But if 1984 01:23:40,159 --> 01:23:42,400 staff could come back and and think how 1985 01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:43,920 can we use cor committees and 1986 01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:48,000 commissions um the other random things 1987 01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:51,679 um that I'll just mention quickly um the 1988 01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:54,400 school districts offer to collaborate 1989 01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:57,280 that's a conversation. I don't quite 1990 01:23:57,280 --> 01:23:58,960 understand the proposal on around 1991 01:23:58,960 --> 01:24:01,760 attorneys fees sharing because we got to 1992 01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:05,199 have ours and our council. So that's a 1993 01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:06,960 thing to follow up on. I don't need the 1994 01:24:06,960 --> 01:24:10,000 answer now. Um, 1995 01:24:10,000 --> 01:24:13,040 I would deprioritize the conservation 1996 01:24:13,040 --> 01:24:14,960 easement based on everything I've heard. 1997 01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,040 Unless a miracle occurs and somebody has 1998 01:24:17,040 --> 01:24:19,199 standing here, uh, fool's errand is not 1999 01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:22,960 going to get us anywhere. Um, 2000 01:24:22,960 --> 01:24:27,440 do uh the cup idea with Windy Hill, if 2001 01:24:27,440 --> 01:24:29,679 that can be part of a more general 2002 01:24:29,679 --> 01:24:32,159 solution, I'd look at that. Um, it's 2003 01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:35,040 clearly scope creep, but it might be 2004 01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,760 relevant scope creep if we end up having 2005 01:24:37,760 --> 01:24:40,000 conversations that identify common 2006 01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:44,159 things we're solving for. and um you 2007 01:24:44,159 --> 01:24:47,520 know theou by the end of the year I 2008 01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:49,920 don't think that's achievable just bec 2009 01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,320 like I think that forming a committee to 2010 01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:54,320 have specific 2011 01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:57,840 like focus great but thinking we're 2012 01:24:57,840 --> 01:24:59,760 going to get to a negotiation we don't 2013 01:24:59,760 --> 01:25:01,280 even know the other party's willing to 2014 01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,440 negotiate and might suspect they aren't 2015 01:25:03,440 --> 01:25:06,000 is not really going to happen and I 2016 01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:07,920 wouldn't go into a negotiated agreement 2017 01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:09,840 until we know what we want through the 2018 01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:11,440 through this conversation so that's All 2019 01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:13,040 right. 2020 01:25:13,040 --> 01:25:14,960 >> Thank you. All right. I've asked 2021 01:25:14,960 --> 01:25:16,960 everybody to brief. I will be brief as 2022 01:25:16,960 --> 01:25:20,320 well. Um I would focus on public safety. 2023 01:25:20,320 --> 01:25:23,120 I think we should investigate um the 2024 01:25:23,120 --> 01:25:25,679 zoning and C cup CUP issues so that we 2025 01:25:25,679 --> 01:25:27,679 understand kind of, if you will, what 2026 01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:29,360 our rights are and what's how this is 2027 01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:32,800 likely to go down at the end. Um I'm in 2028 01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:34,880 favor of us forming a subcommittee. I 2029 01:25:34,880 --> 01:25:36,719 think having a subcommittee to council, 2030 01:25:36,719 --> 01:25:38,320 I proposed this before. I'm still in 2031 01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:39,920 favor of it. Um and I think we could 2032 01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:41,120 work with the school district. I think 2033 01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:42,719 we can also work with our various 2034 01:25:42,719 --> 01:25:46,000 committee town. Um once we gather all 2035 01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:47,920 that information then I think it might 2036 01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:50,320 be time to consider a negotiated 2037 01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,159 agreement but I I think at this point we 2038 01:25:52,159 --> 01:25:53,360 have no idea what we would be 2039 01:25:53,360 --> 01:25:55,600 negotiating. So I wouldn't have staff 2040 01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:58,080 put time into that now other than start 2041 01:25:58,080 --> 01:25:59,840 gathering information so we have 2042 01:25:59,840 --> 01:26:02,400 something to negotiate. Um so I I think 2043 01:26:02,400 --> 01:26:04,560 that's that's where I stand. So Sarah, 2044 01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:06,480 do you feel like you have enough 2045 01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:08,960 information to get you started or do you 2046 01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:14,149 want to schedule more time? 2047 01:26:14,159 --> 01:26:16,639 » Thank you for that feedback. Uh I think 2048 01:26:16,639 --> 01:26:19,120 there is a lot of different ideas on the 2049 01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:21,920 approach. I'm not sure if I hear a 2050 01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:25,679 priority per se. So it could warrant 2051 01:26:25,679 --> 01:26:28,239 additional conversation or another 2052 01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:30,719 option. I I don't want to help propose a 2053 01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:32,560 subcommittee, but if there's more 2054 01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:33,920 conversations on the side that need to 2055 01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:35,600 happen to then provide staff direction, 2056 01:26:35,600 --> 01:26:36,400 I don't know if that's like a 2057 01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:39,360 subcommittee task. Um, okay. I mean, 2058 01:26:39,360 --> 01:26:41,360 leave it to you guys if you would like 2059 01:26:41,360 --> 01:26:43,520 to discuss this more. Um, 2060 01:26:43,520 --> 01:26:44,880 >> yeah. No, I think you should get 2061 01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:46,719 started. I think you because I don't 2062 01:26:46,719 --> 01:26:48,159 think you heard us say you should go out 2063 01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:50,560 and hire SQA consultant immediately. I 2064 01:26:50,560 --> 01:26:51,920 don't think you heard us say you should 2065 01:26:51,920 --> 01:26:53,600 start working on open space element 2066 01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:55,520 immediately. Um, I didn't hear that from 2067 01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:57,360 any of the council members. So, I think 2068 01:26:57,360 --> 01:27:00,000 that those can come later. No, 2069 01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,159 >> I think Rebecca had it. And and I just 2070 01:27:02,159 --> 01:27:04,159 want to clarify, we should never be in a 2071 01:27:04,159 --> 01:27:06,239 SQL process without our own consultant 2072 01:27:06,239 --> 01:27:08,080 or a lawyer. Like, I do not want to get 2073 01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:09,840 into it. So, I would support that. Just 2074 01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:11,840 to be clear on that one piece, an open 2075 01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:13,920 space element. 2076 01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:16,000 I would get there, but I I'd like to 2077 01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:17,520 scope that out. Sorry. 2078 01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:19,120 >> Yep. 2079 01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:21,679 >> So, and I think conservation easement, 2080 01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:23,679 it was sort of mixed. Mary's comment was 2081 01:27:23,679 --> 01:27:26,159 more about, you know, donors probably 2082 01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:27,679 have more leverage with posts than we 2083 01:27:27,679 --> 01:27:30,560 do. Um, so, so I think you do have some 2084 01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,800 direction. Again, the point I was trying 2085 01:27:32,800 --> 01:27:34,000 to make is I think there's still a lot 2086 01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:38,000 of information you collect on what kind 2087 01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:40,000 of cup, you know, if they if they showed 2088 01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:42,560 up with all this done, what would what 2089 01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,120 would our next steps be? And right now, 2090 01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:46,480 I don't know what they are. I I don't 2091 01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:48,960 really what what it is that we could ask 2092 01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:51,199 of them. And what I'd hate to do, and 2093 01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:52,480 this is what I tried when I talked to 2094 01:27:52,480 --> 01:27:54,400 them, is I hate for us to get all the 2095 01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:55,920 way to the end of this process and then 2096 01:27:55,920 --> 01:27:57,360 for have this fail, which is what 2097 01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:58,880 happened when we were trying to do stuff 2098 01:27:58,880 --> 01:28:00,639 at the historic stuff because they kind 2099 01:28:00,639 --> 01:28:02,800 of pushed and then at the end we 2100 01:28:02,800 --> 01:28:04,560 couldn't make it work. And I think that 2101 01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:06,320 would be unfortunate and a lot of money 2102 01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,960 spent. But hopefully that's enough to 2103 01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,040 get you started. And if it's not, then 2104 01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:12,800 I'm sure the town manager would be happy 2105 01:28:12,800 --> 01:28:14,560 to schedule more time. 2106 01:28:14,560 --> 01:28:15,040 >> Great. 2107 01:28:15,040 --> 01:28:17,520 >> Can can I ask a process question? Is it 2108 01:28:17,520 --> 01:28:20,639 possible to go ahead and set up a 2109 01:28:20,639 --> 01:28:23,280 subcommittee to investigate the school's 2110 01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:27,280 offer and uh the school's offer? 2111 01:28:27,280 --> 01:28:28,880 >> Not tonight since it's not on the 2112 01:28:28,880 --> 01:28:29,600 agenda. 2113 01:28:29,600 --> 01:28:31,360 >> Okay. 2114 01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:34,000 >> Can I also ask is it possible to have 2115 01:28:34,000 --> 01:28:37,840 some sort of a preliminary kind of you 2116 01:28:37,840 --> 01:28:39,360 go through what we've said and then you 2117 01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:40,800 come back with your questions and we 2118 01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:42,560 schedule another sort of session like 2119 01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:45,120 this. you know, not do a full-on 2120 01:28:45,120 --> 01:28:47,280 scoping, but just kind of go through it 2121 01:28:47,280 --> 01:28:50,159 and kind of, I don't know, evaluate what 2122 01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:51,920 we've said and try to kind of come up 2123 01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:54,400 with more focused items that we could 2124 01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,159 consider or something as opposed to 2125 01:28:56,159 --> 01:28:57,679 coming back in two, three months with a 2126 01:28:57,679 --> 01:29:02,480 big huge scope and costing and all that. 2127 01:29:02,480 --> 01:29:04,159 >> I think that's maybe the general 2128 01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:07,280 question or what I've heard so far is to 2129 01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:09,280 do a bit more of that extra step. So 2130 01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:11,280 maybe it's not focusing on one but I 2131 01:29:11,280 --> 01:29:12,880 think I have a general idea related to 2132 01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:15,199 SQA especially opportunities with 2133 01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:16,639 agreement and then if there's a 2134 01:29:16,639 --> 01:29:18,480 potential cost associated we'll bring it 2135 01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:21,600 back or as much information as we can or 2136 01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:22,960 if I have additional questions I think 2137 01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:25,840 that makes sense but um given what I've 2138 01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:27,120 heard there there is some direction for 2139 01:29:27,120 --> 01:29:27,520 that. 2140 01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:30,480 >> Yeah and I think I hear a request to 2141 01:29:30,480 --> 01:29:32,080 bring back an item to form a 2142 01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:34,880 subcommittee. I think that subcommittee 2143 01:29:34,880 --> 01:29:36,639 could work with the school district, 2144 01:29:36,639 --> 01:29:40,560 work with any MOSD identified member and 2145 01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:41,920 probably has value looking at the 2146 01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:45,199 negotiated agree that is typically 2147 01:29:45,199 --> 01:29:47,280 >> something that a council subcommittee 2148 01:29:47,280 --> 01:29:49,040 might focus on. 2149 01:29:49,040 --> 01:29:50,480 >> Great. Thank you. 2150 01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:51,920 >> All right. So, with that, I'd like to 2151 01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:53,840 adjourn this meeting. I would accept a 2152 01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:54,719 motion. 2153 01:29:54,719 --> 01:29:56,159 >> I move to adjourn. 2154 01:29:56,159 --> 01:29:57,600 >> We have a second. 2155 01:29:57,600 --> 01:29:58,239 >> Second. 2156 01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:01,120 >> All in favor say I. I. All right. This 2157 01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,199 meeting is adjourned. Thank you. 2158 01:30:03,199 --> 01:30:07,360 701. We sort of closed it pretty close.