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Dear heavenly father, we praise you for

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today. We praise you for the crops you

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have provided.

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This land that is

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we ask you to be with us today. Let us

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make wise decisions. Let us do what's

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best.

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and give us your wisdom and grace and

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mercy.

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Amen.

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To the flag of the United States of

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America and to the stands nationy

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and justice for all.

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call the meeting to order at 8:00 or 8

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I don't see anybody

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nobody in public forum. Mr. K and Mrs.

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just arrived.

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All right.

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» So, initially we were going to hit three

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things today. We were looking at getting

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signature,

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but Scott is not here for our gr

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that I spoke to you guys about. But

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starting off, um Oh, we need to do this,

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too.

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» But starting out, um

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>> do you want us to approve the grant and

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then just when Scott gets in town to

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approve or do you want to come back?

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We he can come back Monday. It's not due

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until the end of September. So

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>> I was going to say we can approve it

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and he could probably sign it as vice

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chair. It's your call.

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>> Well, yeah, we'll wait till he comes

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back, I think.

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>> Okay.

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>> Um so this right here is uh a program

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that we are working on. It's I mean

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pretty simple, but we had some folks out

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of uh our Bennington EMS. They raised

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some concerns about some of their um

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residents not being able to afford

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address markers and um just with lower

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income folks being the most vulnerable

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with our um EMS and uh healthcare. Um we

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think it's important that they have

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something that identifies their address

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for first responders should they need to

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come. Um we've had a few. who it's is a

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Bennington um that was like that. Um

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Carl, I'm not sure about Minneapolis if you guys have had anything similar.

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below the federal or at or below the

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federal standard or other local

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guidelines um that meet the poverty criteria to

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apply for a free address marker. Um

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and uh we would install that as needed.

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>> So is this one that um each person would

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apply individually?

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>> So would you get a pot of money to

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distribute or each application you would

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then have to forward?

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funding it

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>> Um do they give you a certain amount of

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money and then you give it out as people

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apply or application, do you have to

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send it into a higher authority to get

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the reimbursement?

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us on our side. Um, like we don't

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the addressing comes from us. And so,

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Marie, am I answering this?

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get this program started now. So, we

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were wanting to fund it on a county

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level right now to where the

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applications come in to us. We review

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them and then we approve or deny their

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application and go ahead and issue the

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address marker. I've talked to Chris and

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he's on board with it. And then going

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forward, I would look at applying for

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different grants to

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supplement this program. So right now

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we're funding it.

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find a grant that would offset some of

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like this application process. So So

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it's free to them.

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>> So it costs us what?

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have all the supplies on on hand that to

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make the address markers. We do that

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right now. So, it would cost us just

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what the supplies are.

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>> Idea like how much?

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30 to 40 bucks a sign. And then like 10

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this out of your

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one account?

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>> We wouldn't we it it's out of our

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address markers.

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an email to Miller. Did you see that

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this weekend?

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>> Uh, did you read it?

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looked at his account, he had um for his

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budget, I think it was $10,000 for

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address

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markers.

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you never used it.

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when Kenny and John were there, they

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used to order supplies at the end of the

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year and they had us really stocked up.

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supplies. He said this year we're going

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to have to order supplies.

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we usually average about 5,000.

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years in the budget. So you think that

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they bought the existing supplies? So I

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looked at 25.

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would go at the end of the year and help

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saying it's $50,

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then what do we have? 5,000. I have no

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idea. We don't

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anything out of pocket right now because

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we've got all this.

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criteria. Do I understand this right?

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provide these sites free

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income people

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enforcement who some of these people's

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houses are on dirt roads. And

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you can ask Carl, it's very, very hard

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to find their driveways. And if we have

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the driveways marked, it will make

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response times.

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>> Are those sticks that you stick in at

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the driveway? Is that what they

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>> No, these are these are regular. We've

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got copies of the if you want to come.

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the green facing road signs with

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reflective.

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>> They're just like our address, our road

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signs, only we go vertically.

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>> It'll just have their number on it.

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>> Vertical sign.

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>> Somebody at night looking for an

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address.

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really see. And if law enforcement, EMS,

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fire come across a house like that that

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they're having a hard time and the

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people are lower income, they can give

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them the application and then if the

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people want to apply, they can.

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>> So in the past, you've had people

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purchase these from you.

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>> Yeah. And we'll still do that. We

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>> And do you charge $50? What do you

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charge?

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downstairs. But yeah,

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>> it's about $50. It's based on No,

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>> it it's based on whether they want

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one-sided, two-sided, with a post,

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without a post,

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um, installed, not installed.

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on our website, too, if you want to look

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>> that you provide those

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>> today. Do we need to approve the

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application for the grant to get this

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>> the we you we just need you to approve

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the grant program

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and then the application process.

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>> So you want us to approve that we're

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going to go provide these for the lower

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income people. You put the criteria

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there. It says

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» the program

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>> locally established low income standard.

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that have a household income at federal

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property guidelines or meet a locally

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established lowinccome standard, owner

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rent a residential property within the

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program service area, which would be

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Ottawa County, do not currently have a

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clearly visible and properly installed

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address marker, and demonstrate a need

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for financial assistance. So you say uh

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check all statements that apply, but

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they have to meet at least number one,

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>> Unless it's a special circumstance or

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something, but yeah, they should meet

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number one. Yeah.

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provide these for low-inccome people,

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>> did you create this?

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>> And it can be modified however we want.

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If you find something on there you don't

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like and you want to modify it, you

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don't have to approve it the way it is,

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but it's something you need to look at

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and if you want to go through and modify

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some of it, you can, but you need to

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just let us know and then we can redo

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>> I think it sets through sets the

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guidelines very clearly what the poverty

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level is. People you will know whether

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people will apply will be eligible that

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the way this form is, it doesn't say, it

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says check all statements that apply. It

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doesn't say that you must first qualify

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for the first one.

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>> I mean, first we don't want to provide

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this for everyone in the county. No,

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>> we wanted to we're we're aiming at the

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lowincome people,

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>> right?

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>> And so I think I think the first thing

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you have to say

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that they must meet the first guideline

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and then they could check any others that does

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not apply. You understand?

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>> Have you used this before, Marie?

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>> we just developed.

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>> Yeah, I'm in favor of it. I just think

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you you this has to be a must.

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>> Okay.

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>> And then the rest of those can be

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potential qual

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eligibility beyond that.

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>> Um because we want them to live there, I

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own or rent.

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It does not have one and a finance

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obtaining. I uh

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I guess

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to me um

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we could go must meet income at or below

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federal poverty level and please check

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all statements that apply

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>> beyond the beyond

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>> or at other other ones. Yeah, I think

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that makes sense. Otherwise, you're

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saying

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you're not making that a requirement.

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>> We can change that to where eligibility

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and then we can put that must meet that

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and then please check all others that

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apply.

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>> I'm perfectly fine with that. Yeah.

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>> Okay.

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>> So, that I'm thinking uh so will people

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actually I guess people will provide

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this information to you? You think

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>> if they want an address marker? address

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marker.

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>> Yeah.

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And comparatively, I mean, this is, you

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know, I remember back when we were doing

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the the June 8th stuff. Um,

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the documentation and the loops that you

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would have to go through in order to get

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kind of assistance from state or FEMA, I

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mean, people that was a hangup for them

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and and them not wanting to do it in the

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first place. This is really really

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simple. All they have to do is just meet

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the eligibility and we're it's It's

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really a simple process from there. So

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>> is there a situation where

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maybe on the eligibility we just say

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they have to meet the first one and then

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>> well the eligibility does

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>> or

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>> it does say they have to meet

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>> or meet another locally established low

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income standard. So, if somebody is

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like,

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you don't want it in black or white

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because if somebody is like $10 over the

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low income,

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>> you don't want that to disqualify them

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>> automatically.

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because I know a lot of

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people that would be at the poverty

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level, but like they're $100 over or

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something because that has always been a

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stickler with um free lunch programs and

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stuff.

342
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>> You have some of these people that

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>> are so closed.

344
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>> Yeah. And that's where you would want

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the county to have the discretion.

346
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>> Okay. So, why don't we do this? So, when we say uh check which one applies,

347
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you'll have the first statement and the

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second one which are I'm sorry, the

349
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fourth one which are both financial

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needs based. So, they either may meet

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that low income standard or financial

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assistance. So, one of those other what

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you're saying is you want that

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discretion, which I'm okay.

355
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>> I mean, I appreciate your wisdom there.

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So, I think you want uh

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those two together and say you must meet

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this or

359
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>> what are these

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>> and then the other one check these other

361
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two if they apply just for further

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information.

363
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>> But, um if you want that flexibility, I

364
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think you put that must meet the one or

365
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four.

366
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>> Okay.

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>> And then put two or three. Two and three

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separately.

369
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>> Yeah, I can do that. And we can send you

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a copy of the revised application.

371
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>> I'm okay with the way it reads because

372
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you just go down like a checklist of

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your income first to get that set for

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property level

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and then the need as far as nonmark

376
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address or anything. I think people and

377
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maybe I take too much into account for

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the American public, but you know, they

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can follow the check line check marks

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and just put down the line. So,

381
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>> well, I think we're our market market,

382
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our strategic target, that's what I

383
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should say, is a low income people,

384
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right?

385
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>> And so, um,

386
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yeah, I would just put one either one or

387
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four and the other two check if either

388
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apply and otherwise I'm fine with it.

389
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Okay.

390
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>> Do you want to bring it back or do you

391
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want to just have us approve it with

392
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that change?

393
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>> Uh, if you could approve it with that

394
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change and then I can email you a copy

395
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of the change.

396
00:16:51,839 --> 00:16:53,440
>> Okay. All right. So,

397
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>> if that would work.

398
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>> And then this um this is just

399
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information you're going to give them.

400
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>> Yeah. We're going to put this program,

401
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we're going to put it in the newspaper

402
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and we'll put it online on our

403
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>> Good idea.

404
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>> Um,

405
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>> we will we will be promoting it. And

406
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then um we had interest from Tony Swatz

407
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and EM Bennington EMS. Carl, this could

408
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be something that um you if you're

409
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interested in you can do it as well. Um

410
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because Bennington's the one that kind

411
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of came to us about it. Um and kind of

412
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brought us the idea. Um Tony is really

413
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um wanting to go forward with this and

414
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kind of get it out to his folks. So

415
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he'll disseminate it within his

416
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district. And you know if Carl

417
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>> No, that's good. Getting information out

418
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is the hardest thing. Yeah.

419
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>> Especially in the Bennington area where

420
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not as many people submit to that paper.

421
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>> Right. Right. And

422
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>> yeah. And if there's anything that is

423
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locally geared to

424
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>> to um Minneapolis over Bennington. I'm

425
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not sure if there is, but um we want to

426
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make sure that anybody within the EMS or

427
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fire, you know, we can we'll push this

428
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out to all our fire districts. I don't

429
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want this to be just because Bennington

430
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brought it to us. I don't want this to

431
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seem like it's geared specifically

432
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towards Bennington. This is a total

433
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Ottawa County um thing that we're

434
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working on.

435
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>> And we'll send it to the city halls,

436
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too. And some of the cities have their

437
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own publication that they send out

438
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>> so they can put it in that. And

439
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>> Right. Exactly.

440
00:18:13,200 --> 00:18:15,280
>> You're going to take it to Bington City

441
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Hall and Adrian could put it in the

442
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water bills. That's how the best way to

443
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distribute in the city of Bennington.

444
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>> They do it for free. [clears throat]

445
00:18:23,120 --> 00:18:25,760
>> Yeah. I'll send it to her and ask her to

446
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send it out to all I think I think it's

447
00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:31,840
a good thing. So, I will approve the

448
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free address marker assistance program

449
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and the free address marker application

450
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as modified

451
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to make the requirements be a

452
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requirement. One or the other as

453
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presented. So,

454
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>> is that a motion?

455
00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:50,160
>> That was a motion. Didn't I say motion?

456
00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,640
I move. I move. Did I move? I thought

457
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you said I approve.

458
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>> I move. Okay. I will second it.

459
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Any discussion?

460
00:19:03,120 --> 00:19:04,480
>> All those in favor?

461
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>> I

462
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» And then part two,

463
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um, talk to all you guys this weekend

464
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kind of about

465
00:19:19,039 --> 00:19:22,400
warning siren. I found a friend. Um

466
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Perkins is actually one of the guys that

467
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was um called and I used as a reference.

468
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Um so that specific unit um I'm thinking

469
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it would be best in wells from the

470
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standpoint of it's easy to power. Um but

471
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at some point I'm in a larger system

472
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that I'm working on that is you know

473
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it's going to take a year or two to plan

474
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and bring it forward and and to revise.

475
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So, I'm not ready to present the entire

476
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,360
system just yet, but this would fit

477
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within that system and the guidelines

478
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barring that we can provide backup power

479
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to the siren at some point. That doesn't

480
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have to start off off the bat, but at

481
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some point it can be equipped with um

482
00:20:06,240 --> 00:20:08,400
backup power and a joint project with

483
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,000
the Bennington Fire Department and

484
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:12,160
applying that to the station there. But

485
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,960
the siren itself is only $800.

486
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:17,440
Um it's a newer condition. It's easy to

487
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power, very power accessible, and um it

488
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also comes with the motor contactor. So,

489
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the only thing we would need to buy as

490
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additional supplies would be the radio

491
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receiver. And then if you want to throw

492
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in the utility pole or um whatever

493
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tower, whatever we use to mount it on.

494
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,440
Um but that would just be the

495
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installation. I would say that that's a

496
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part of the installation cost more than

497
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it is the actual supplies needed. So,

498
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um, all in all, I think we are probably

499
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able to get this up in the air and

500
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working.

501
00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:57,039
Um, $8,000 or under is my best guess.

502
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Um, and mainly the installation cost

503
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and, uh, the radio receiver that can be

504
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funded through grants. We have hazard

505
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mitigation grants. I'm not I'm not very

506
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worried about that, but um we have the

507
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oversight to to pay for that in house in

508
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the first place. The issue that I'm um

509
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presenting to you guys would be this

510
00:21:21,919 --> 00:21:24,799
would be the first siren to go up in the

511
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county in an unincorporated area. So,

512
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Wells does not have a siren. Um Niles

513
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does not have a siren. And so in

514
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addition, I'm looking at Triple Tree and

515
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Aspen Ridge, kind of our more populated

516
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subdivisions in the future, but Wells is

517
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they have that Bennington substation

518
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there for district 4. And I talked with

519
00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,200
Brian. I would have to present it to the

520
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board at Bennington Fire, but they are

521
00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:53,600
interested in in doing kind of a joint

522
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agreement where we can put that siren at

523
00:21:56,320 --> 00:21:58,159
that station and that would serve the

524
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town of Wells.

525
00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,400
>> So So you said right now we have any

526
00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,280
sirens at Wells or Ada or where?

527
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:08,159
>> We have we have a siren at ADA. Um ADA

528
00:22:08,159 --> 00:22:10,240
is in an interesting situation because

529
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the fire chief has to activate that

530
00:22:11,919 --> 00:22:17,120
manually. Um as far as I am aware um

531
00:22:17,120 --> 00:22:19,760
sheriff is going to he said he's looking

532
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:23,200
at um getting radio grants for his side

533
00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:25,039
so that he can activate it through 911

534
00:22:25,039 --> 00:22:28,000
dispatch. Um but ADA does have a siren.

535
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,520
Wells is the only unincorporated

536
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:31,200
community that does have a siren. I get

537
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,320
if it is unincorporated then then maybe

538
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:36,320
that counts but Wells and Niles are the

539
00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:37,120
only two.

540
00:22:37,120 --> 00:22:39,520
>> So this is not a siren that's up there

541
00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:40,480
now.

542
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:41,760
>> That that would be just that's a proof

543
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,520
of concept. That's proof of concept. So

544
00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:44,480
that's just what it could

545
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:47,440
>> Oh this is an AI generated thing.

546
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,840
>> No not AI generated. It's

547
00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:51,280
>> you added the pole in the

548
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:51,760
>> Yeah.

549
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,799
>> visual is that

550
00:22:54,799 --> 00:22:58,080
this little quick Google drawing that's

551
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,480
>> okay. Have you talked to Russ about how

552
00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:02,240
difficult it will be to incorporate for

553
00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,200
his side?

554
00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,799
>> So, um, Russ is on board with it. I'll

555
00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:08,320
say that. Now, there there is going to

556
00:23:08,320 --> 00:23:10,000
be a little bit of back end. I'm not

557
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,880
sure what the cost is for introducing a

558
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,960
new radio tone set and getting it

559
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,960
programmed into 911. I don't think it's

560
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:19,919
going to be a whole lot, but um, it

561
00:23:19,919 --> 00:23:21,360
would some it would be something that we

562
00:23:21,360 --> 00:23:23,360
as the emergency management, we we would

563
00:23:23,360 --> 00:23:25,520
pay for because that us introducing

564
00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:27,600
that. um it shouldn't have to come off

565
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,960
the backs of um the sheriff if if

566
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,039
they're not introducing or working with

567
00:23:33,039 --> 00:23:36,000
the project other than just facilitating

568
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:42,950
the activation of it.

569
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,600
» So, so I sent you the email saying how

570
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,280
do you plan to fund it?

571
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,240
>> How are you funding it?

572
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:49,520
>> Grants.

573
00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:53,679
and and we have our FEMA account.

574
00:23:53,679 --> 00:23:56,559
He can purchase a siren outright for the

575
00:23:56,559 --> 00:23:58,880
800 through the FEMA

576
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:01,039
>> through our our FEMA account. We've got

577
00:24:01,039 --> 00:24:04,240
a FEMA account which

578
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,520
um we can use for hazard mitigation

579
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:08,320
areas.

580
00:24:08,320 --> 00:24:09,919
>> What account is that? What number is

581
00:24:09,919 --> 00:24:10,240
that?

582
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,320
>> It's a six I think it's 61, but we've

583
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:15,200
got

584
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:16,960
>> It's not your radio account.

585
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,480
>> No, it's not. It's a It's a FEMA

586
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:22,320
account.

587
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,520
>> And we put like administrative costs and

588
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:26,559
different things.

589
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:26,880
>> Yeah.

590
00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:29,760
>> That we get for the

591
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:31,679
FEMA

592
00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:34,240
uh when we do FEMA grants and stuff like

593
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:35,279
that.

594
00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:38,080
>> We have that we have funding in there.

595
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,360
So, it's got I think Do you remember

596
00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:42,400
what the balance was? It

597
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,279
>> was about 11,000.

598
00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:46,480
It's a little It was just north of

599
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:50,720
11,000. So, you think it's been 61?

600
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,520
>> I think and and explain to me again how

601
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,279
it got built up just so I understand

602
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,679
because I'm sure I'm aware of that.

603
00:24:57,679 --> 00:25:00,960
>> We've had that for before I was

604
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,240
emergency management and we just keep

605
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,520
adding to it. Um, when we do

606
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,200
administrative costs, we do what we call

607
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,360
a CAT Z

608
00:25:13,360 --> 00:25:17,200
project, which gives us administrative

609
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,120
costs for doing the uh

610
00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:22,240
>> application,

611
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:25,279
>> FEMA grants, all the paperwork that I

612
00:25:25,279 --> 00:25:27,679
had to do, everything like that, and

613
00:25:27,679 --> 00:25:29,919
we've been able to build the fund up

614
00:25:29,919 --> 00:25:32,320
that way.

615
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:35,279
So that's and it can only be touched for

616
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:38,960
hazard mitigation projects.

617
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,880
>> So it's the siren.

618
00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:41,279
>> Yeah.

619
00:25:41,279 --> 00:25:45,120
The siren would qualify for

620
00:25:45,120 --> 00:25:47,360
>> I remember in an email for a phone

621
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:49,120
conversation you said this was part of

622
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,200
your plan to get sirens into these other

623
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,880
areas.

624
00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:55,360
>> What do you have timeline or wait for

625
00:25:55,360 --> 00:25:58,320
another fall into your lap like this or

626
00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:01,360
>> so? It it would be a mixture. So largely

627
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:05,039
speaking, um s I want to have a

628
00:26:05,039 --> 00:26:08,159
prerequisite in place that

629
00:26:08,159 --> 00:26:11,919
um a siren would be able to be

630
00:26:11,919 --> 00:26:14,400
um it would be able to be equipped with

631
00:26:14,400 --> 00:26:16,880
backup power of some kind. Most of that

632
00:26:16,880 --> 00:26:18,960
is battery backup with newer sirens, but

633
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,440
also I if you get creative enough with

634
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,159
older sirens that are AC only, if

635
00:26:24,159 --> 00:26:26,000
they're attached to a facility that has

636
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,840
a generator backup, then it could work

637
00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:31,919
that way. Um but largely speaking,

638
00:26:31,919 --> 00:26:34,960
um sirens that would be at standalone

639
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,960
locations without a county or city

640
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,760
facility, which would be Aspen Ridge,

641
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,000
Triple Tree, and then a few other

642
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:43,679
locations to kind of fill in gaps in

643
00:26:43,679 --> 00:26:47,279
that southeast corner. Um or even just

644
00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:49,440
southern corner. Um they would have to

645
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,520
be um fully battery backup capable. And

646
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:55,279
so that would be a larger project that

647
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:56,720
that's a larger project that I'm working

648
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:58,799
on, but I want to make sure that that's

649
00:26:58,799 --> 00:27:01,440
not just focused on outdoor, but also

650
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,120
we're incorporating our an indoor

651
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:04,960
warning system where we can hit, you

652
00:27:04,960 --> 00:27:08,159
know, city buildings, um, different kind

653
00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:10,320
of local areas that would need an indoor

654
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,400
warning notice more than just a weather

655
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,679
radio that broadly tells people in the

656
00:27:15,679 --> 00:27:18,480
entire county. Um, it's just it's an

657
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:19,200
added layer

658
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:22,080
>> when you're talking indoor city county

659
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,080
buildings. what you need as far as

660
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:31,029
something.

661
00:27:31,039 --> 00:27:32,559
» So

662
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:34,159
there's

663
00:27:34,159 --> 00:27:36,880
I have a preferred vendor um that I

664
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,559
would do this through. Now there's a few

665
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:39,840
different vendors that could support it

666
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:43,840
and I think ultimately if we do when we get to that point we would have

667
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:47,120
to put it out as a bid system um for

668
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:51,919
other to for vendors to bid on. that um

669
00:27:51,919 --> 00:27:54,559
the indoor and outdoor warning system

670
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:56,640
would be able to be activated from the

671
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,440
same console. And so it would just be

672
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,840
one system where the larger system is

673
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:03,600
the console and it hits these different

674
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,039
activation points or it hits these

675
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:06,320
different notification points being

676
00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:09,840
indoor warning, outdoor warning. And I

677
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,840
am looking at planning on doing I'm

678
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,240
looking at what we can do for test and

679
00:28:14,240 --> 00:28:16,399
their flooding kind of situation. And

680
00:28:16,399 --> 00:28:19,200
there's a there's kind of a creative way

681
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,440
um for an outdoor notification device to

682
00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:22,799
be incorporated into that as well. And

683
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:24,159
that could be incorporated on the same

684
00:28:24,159 --> 00:28:26,880
board. Um and this would be something

685
00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,120
that would be shared between myself and

686
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,600
dispatchers hypothetically speaking

687
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:34,399
because I haven't really ironed out the

688
00:28:34,399 --> 00:28:36,960
kinks to it yet. I have um that's my

689
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,080
general idea for it, but um there are a

690
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:42,480
few smaller ideas that I'm thinking, but

691
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,000
I just don't know if they're good ideas

692
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,000
just yet.

693
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,520
Well, at this point, you can buy the

694
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:51,279
$800 sire, have it on site here, county,

695
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:53,520
and then we can work through getting it

696
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:56,480
in place and get the grant grant money

697
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,159
comes in, then we buy the radios,

698
00:28:58,159 --> 00:29:00,240
>> right?

699
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,880
That's that's that's mainly so

700
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,600
that that is kind of the way we're

701
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,120
looking at it as we're presenting it to

702
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,679
you here is we we can purchase the siren

703
00:29:09,679 --> 00:29:13,919
inhouse. We don't need um we're not

704
00:29:13,919 --> 00:29:15,679
looking for approval for that. We are

705
00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:17,440
looking for approval of the actual

706
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,120
installation

707
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:21,039
in Wells because that is a

708
00:29:21,039 --> 00:29:23,520
unincorporated community that is

709
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,520
overseen by the county

710
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:27,440
>> and this would be the first in the

711
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,919
county to be not in an incorporated

712
00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:30,480
area.

713
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,120
>> How did you arrive well over triple

714
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,000
tree?

715
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:35,919
>> How did you get to that decision?

716
00:29:35,919 --> 00:29:40,640
>> Yeah. So, um, there is not a Triple

717
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,360
Tree, Aspen Ridge, Niles. There is not a

718
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,240
county or city building in either of

719
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,279
those locations that could in the future

720
00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:52,159
support backup power. If we were to

721
00:29:52,159 --> 00:29:55,440
install this in Wells at the um at

722
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:57,760
Bennington Fire Station 4 or District 4,

723
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:01,279
their substation there, um Bennington

724
00:30:01,279 --> 00:30:03,360
and Emergency Management could go in on

725
00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,679
a joint project to buy a backup

726
00:30:05,679 --> 00:30:07,279
generator for the building there at some

727
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:10,480
point. Um just so they could access

728
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,200
their um equipment in that building

729
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:14,799
during a power outage if they need to.

730
00:30:14,799 --> 00:30:16,960
And it could also, you know, power the

731
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,120
siren in the event of a power loss to

732
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:19,679
wireless.

733
00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:23,919
>> Will this operate on DC or have AC?

734
00:30:23,919 --> 00:30:26,960
>> Um, it is going to be AC, I believe. AC.

735
00:30:26,960 --> 00:30:30,559
>> I Yeah, I believe it's generator.

736
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:32,320
>> Yeah. Yeah, that's that's Yeah, that's

737
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,200
what I'm saying. Um, but also this

738
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,279
doesn't need to be

739
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:41,919
my plan is for

740
00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:44,799
that is for sirens to become able to run

741
00:30:44,799 --> 00:30:47,520
on backup at some point. And so this

742
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:49,440
isn't something where I I just want the

743
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,279
accessibility to be there. So in a

744
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:53,279
larger project in the future, we could

745
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:55,360
take it on. Um, I just want it to be

746
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,679
accessible. And so if we were to throw a

747
00:30:57,679 --> 00:30:59,840
backup generator in there now, there

748
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:01,760
goes an extra $10,000 on top of the

749
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:03,120
entire project. then we're looking at

750
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:04,799
something much larger. But if we include

751
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:07,520
that backup generator

752
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,279
um as a part of a larger project in the

753
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:10,480
future, especially something that

754
00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:12,799
Bennington Fire and us can go in on

755
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:17,919
together, um that would um that would

756
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:20,240
help us in the future and at the very

757
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,799
least right now we have something that

758
00:31:22,799 --> 00:31:25,679
can be accessible and and equipped with

759
00:31:25,679 --> 00:31:28,880
the ability to become battery or backup

760
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:38,310
generator powered if needed.

761
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:41,039
I think you got a good safe plan. We get

762
00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:43,200
generators out of your budget out of

763
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,679
your money

764
00:31:45,679 --> 00:31:49,509
right now.

765
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:55,750
Staying out of $5,000 radio.

766
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:57,200
How will you determine I know we're

767
00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:59,679
kicking the can down the road for triple

768
00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:02,080
tree. don't have a county building,

769
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:02,399
right?

770
00:32:02,399 --> 00:32:04,640
>> Do you have a plan for someday we're

771
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,240
going to have to confront that situation

772
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:09,760
to have a place to put a siren in a non

773
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:10,480
county home?

774
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,799
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Um so those setups are

775
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,120
a lot simil or a lot simpler I should

776
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,960
say. Um I generally have I have general

777
00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:20,799
locations in mind for where sirens would

778
00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:24,720
go. Um these sirens would just be on on

779
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,640
utility poles. It it's basically what

780
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,200
Bennington has right now. Those would be

781
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:33,519
what um Triple Tree, Aspen Ridge, and those areas would be. And inside of

782
00:32:33,519 --> 00:32:35,039
the control boxes on that same utility

783
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:38,080
pole is the battery backup to the actual

784
00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,080
siren. So, these would be solar powered

785
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,720
battery backup sirens. Um but because

786
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,159
they are newer, these would be like

787
00:32:44,159 --> 00:32:47,440
straight off the market. Um if not most

788
00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:50,159
and all, um this would be something is

789
00:32:50,159 --> 00:32:51,519
going to be a part of a larger project

790
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:53,120
down the road. The reason why this is

791
00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,720
specific to Wells right now is because

792
00:32:54,720 --> 00:33:00,080
it is the most accessible for um

793
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,080
the it the siren itself would be most

794
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:03,600
accessible for the Welsh community to

795
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,720
use with that Bennington sub substation

796
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,240
there and um it's we're just on a

797
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,399
timeline and so

798
00:33:12,399 --> 00:33:14,080
my friend I basically told him give me

799
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,399
until today and if and if we're not able

800
00:33:16,399 --> 00:33:18,080
to do it you know if you guys aren't

801
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:19,919
able to approve on it then that it is

802
00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:22,640
what it is but um with it just being

803
00:33:22,640 --> 00:33:24,080
kind of something that other fire

804
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,840
departments and jurisdictions within his

805
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:27,840
area are interested in. I just wanted to

806
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:29,760
make sure that it we took advantage of

807
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:31,760
an opportunity at the very least.

808
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:33,919
>> Oh, absolutely.

809
00:33:33,919 --> 00:33:35,760
>> See the timeline where you're going next

810
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,240
with another, you know, nothing falls

811
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,000
out next week, you know, before you put

812
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,440
it see the whole picture as you see it.

813
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,440
>> And and and I'm and I'm really good at

814
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,120
sniffing these opportunities out. The

815
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,760
pro this the thing that's specific to

816
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:53,039
this is it is a newer sire newer model.

817
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:54,960
We would get a pretty good service life

818
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:59,200
out of it. Um and it is really easy to

819
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:00,559
power. Runs off of singlephase

820
00:34:00,559 --> 00:34:01,760
residential power. So it's not

821
00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,440
three-phase industrial power where we

822
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:05,440
would have to use more expensive

823
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,639
electricity and more expensive hookup

824
00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:11,119
and all that stuff.

825
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:13,599
>> Going forward with like the triple tree

826
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:15,440
and all those. He's gonna have to work

827
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:17,839
through the HOAs. Yeah. For each of

828
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:18,480
those.

829
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:18,960
>> Yeah.

830
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:21,839
>> So, that's another reason why.

831
00:34:21,839 --> 00:34:23,280
>> Well, I think it makes sense. I'm glad

832
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:24,960
you found the opportunity. I'm glad

833
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,720
you're thinking about the long term how

834
00:34:26,720 --> 00:34:28,320
to cover everybody. That's great.

835
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:28,879
>> Yeah.

836
00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:33,119
>> And I did find the account. It's um it's

837
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:34,560
16.

838
00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:35,760
>> Okay.

839
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:36,399
>> 16. Yeah.

840
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:38,480
>> I I had the I had the numbers right.

841
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,240
>> You were close. Very close. [laughter]

842
00:34:40,240 --> 00:34:43,679
And Yeah. So, you have $11,000 in there.

843
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:46,079
So, this is what I I you're saying is

844
00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:47,200
that you're going to go ahead and buy

845
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:48,399
the siren.

846
00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:50,960
>> You're going to use that money to

847
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,520
probably install it and then the plan is

848
00:34:53,520 --> 00:34:56,159
to get grants to reimburse that account

849
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,800
and for future funding of this project.

850
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:00,480
>> Um, I would say the grants would

851
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,000
probably more likely go towards the

852
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,520
actual installation of the siren. I

853
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,839
don't know if it's necessarily safe or

854
00:35:05,839 --> 00:35:10,160
smart to take out most of that account

855
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,400
off the rip. The main concern we were

856
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,960
having is if we use our money to buy

857
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,680
this siren, do we have the approval to

858
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,320
put it up in wells instead of just

859
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:21,920
sitting around for something it doesn't

860
00:35:21,920 --> 00:35:23,359
have the approval for?

861
00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:25,359
>> So the main thing is to put it up in

862
00:35:25,359 --> 00:35:27,599
wells and we would get grants. We would

863
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,119
fill out grants and apply for grants for

864
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:30,640
the actual installation of it, not so

865
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,280
much through

866
00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:32,960
>> get grant funding that quickly.

867
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,920
>> I don't know about quickly. So

868
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:37,839
>> if we get the siren when we have it

869
00:35:37,839 --> 00:35:39,760
here, that's what we need to do right

870
00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,119
now and I get that and but it seems like

871
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,599
you know uh

872
00:35:45,599 --> 00:35:48,320
the the whole grant site. I I just never

873
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:49,839
see it turn that quickly. Although

874
00:35:49,839 --> 00:35:52,240
doesn't county have an ending date

875
00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:54,240
September 30th, is that right? For the

876
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:56,480
next round. So I guess you could apply

877
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,240
for them already. Yeah, there there are

878
00:35:58,240 --> 00:36:00,000
grants that we can apply for and we're

879
00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,160
not trying to

880
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,079
I it would be great if we could get it

881
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:05,920
up before storm season. That's going to

882
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,320
be our goal, but ultimately it's not

883
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,720
something that we are trying to do

884
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:12,720
immediately. We are just trying to

885
00:36:12,720 --> 00:36:13,760
>> wait for the

886
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:17,280
>> Yeah. So, we're going to wait for our financial opportunities to become

887
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,599
available, but ultimately we're moving

888
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:22,000
quickly on it now is because

889
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:23,839
>> tomorrow that siren might not be

890
00:36:23,839 --> 00:36:24,720
available for us.

891
00:36:24,720 --> 00:36:27,359
>> No, I I think it's great. I And I like

892
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:29,839
the idea. So, do you want a motion to

893
00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:31,599
put it in Wells or do you just want a

894
00:36:31,599 --> 00:36:33,520
consensus that we agree that Wells is a

895
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:35,119
good location? What do you want?

896
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:38,880
>> Um, a motion for approval. We are

897
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:41,599
seeking a motion for approval of the

898
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:43,680
siren placement to be in Wells at

899
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,720
Bennington Fire Station for their

900
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:48,720
pending. The Bennington board approves

901
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:49,200
it.

902
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,440
>> Oh, okay. So, I'll make a motion. I'm

903
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,440
not going to say say I'll strike that

904
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:54,720
for a minute. I'm not going to say

905
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,560
purchases because you have authority to

906
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,280
do it. We plan to do it. So, I'll make

907
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,280
>> if if if

908
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:03,200
the if the use that we're presenting is

909
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:05,920
approved. If the proposal of putting it

910
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:06,960
in Wells is approved.

911
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,000
>> Okay. So, I'll move that we uh locate

912
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,599
the siren to be purchased in Wells at

913
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:24,310
Fire Station 4.

914
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:26,400
I moved. I moved.

915
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,320
>> You moved. That's it. I was expecting

916
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:29,359
more details.

917
00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:31,119
>> Well, it's it's just to the the

918
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:34,000
placement of the siren at fire station 4

919
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,480
and wells. I think that's sufficient.

920
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,359
>> I will second.

921
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:42,640
>> Any discussion?

922
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:44,000
>> All those in favor?

923
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,470
>> I

924
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:49,760
go.

925
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:50,800
>> Yeah.

926
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,079
>> We'll have to we'll have to figure out

927
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:53,440
how we can get a truck down there, but

928
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,560
we We'll make it happen.

929
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:57,760
>> Thanks for uh

930
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,200
>> You guys need to keep those

931
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,200
>> long longterm plan though. I think

932
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:13,990
that's really good.

933
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:19,430
» Chris, I believe it's your turn.

934
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:26,950
» Morning, guys. Morning.

935
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:30,240
Got another rightway permit for a water

936
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:32,720
line going up and around the deltas

937
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:37,270
area.

938
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,359
» The only question I had it said that

939
00:38:39,359 --> 00:38:42,240
they are going across other than under.

940
00:38:42,240 --> 00:38:46,000
Is that typical? It says it's going

941
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:48,079
trench across the road rather than under

942
00:38:48,079 --> 00:38:50,560
the road. So in that site, they can't

943
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:51,760
really bore.

944
00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:52,560
>> They can't.

945
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,440
>> They just too much, you know, limestone,

946
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,200
sandstone.

947
00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:58,800
So they're going to actually dig that

948
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,320
one and they're actually going to dig it

949
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,680
at a skew. That way if it does compact a

950
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,040
little bit and they go drive over it,

951
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,680
you're not hitting both wheels head on,

952
00:39:07,680 --> 00:39:09,040
you know, at the same time. That way at

953
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:11,599
least it's kind of a subtle deal. And

954
00:39:11,599 --> 00:39:14,800
then if you guys pass it,

955
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,480
get with the blade guy. That way we can

956
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:19,359
keep an eye on it after it happens to

957
00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:22,800
keep it safe. That one's not just really

958
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:24,480
not borable.

959
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:27,760
>> Okay. So, we've done it this way before.

960
00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:31,829
>> We try not to, but

961
00:39:31,839 --> 00:39:34,720
» and so I there's not I went up there and

962
00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:36,560
drive around when I was looking at that

963
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,040
bridge on windmill on 20th and so

964
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:40,480
there's probably not that much traffic

965
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:41,440
there other than

966
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,720
>> uh that road gets quite a bit of

967
00:39:42,720 --> 00:39:47,200
traffic. It really I mean it stays very busy and then they're going to try

968
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,040
to do it in the evening too. That way at

969
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:51,040
least hopefully traffic's

970
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:53,040
>> Can you actually do that whole trenching

971
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:53,839
one evening?

972
00:39:53,839 --> 00:39:55,599
>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah.

973
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:56,960
>> And get it restored.

974
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:57,599
>> Mhm.

975
00:39:57,599 --> 00:39:59,359
>> Well, that's great.

976
00:39:59,359 --> 00:40:00,000
>> Okay.

977
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:01,920
>> They're coming from pipe drill marker

978
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:02,960
>> in that area. Yeah.

979
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:04,320
>> With the water.

980
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:10,230
>> Okay.

981
00:40:10,240 --> 00:40:12,000
I will make a motion we accept the

982
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,160
roadway permit

983
00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:26,069
as presented by Chris42.

984
00:40:26,079 --> 00:40:28,560
» I'll second

985
00:40:28,560 --> 00:40:32,400
move and second. Any discussion?

986
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:42,790
All those in favor?

987
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,960
We have a tenative

988
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:49,040
attentive

989
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:52,160
um solid waste meeting on October 12th

990
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:54,000
and I have a conflict now. Is there any

991
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,359
way we can change that or have you

992
00:40:55,359 --> 00:40:56,480
already notified people?

993
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:58,560
>> I haven't notified anybody. That's it's

994
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,359
your guys's meeting so it's I just need

995
00:41:01,359 --> 00:41:05,040
to know. So I um I can't do October 12th

996
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:07,680
that night. So is it possible to move it

997
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:12,950
to the 19th or the 26th?

998
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:14,560
» Did we choose Monday night because we

999
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,240
usually have a Monday night, Chris? Is

1000
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:17,839
that why we chose Monday night or do you

1001
00:41:17,839 --> 00:41:19,839
know

1002
00:41:19,839 --> 00:41:21,359
>> in September

1003
00:41:21,359 --> 00:41:33,510
>> October?

1004
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:36,240
12. We had it written down because you

1005
00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:39,280
wanted it done before November the date.

1006
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:40,880
>> We just have to have it done before the

1007
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:42,720
first of the year.

1008
00:41:42,720 --> 00:41:44,400
>> Okay.

1009
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,800
So, are you okay if we move that till

1010
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,640
the 26th?

1011
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,800
I'm sorry, the 19th. I can I can make

1012
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,630
the 19th.

1013
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,640
» Excuse me. Do you have any conflict on

1014
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:57,280
the 19?

1015
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,440
>> Not that I know of. I I would have to

1016
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,790
look.

1017
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:06,000
» I'm just shooting for the hip, too.

1018
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,319
I'm available on that. I have my phone

1019
00:42:08,319 --> 00:42:11,359
or home. So,

1020
00:42:11,359 --> 00:42:12,000
>> calendar.

1021
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:14,400
>> I don't know. Do you have anything in

1022
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:16,319
your way?

1023
00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:18,560
>> So, I I have to make a flight

1024
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,760
reservation. So, I'm going to go ahead

1025
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:22,400
and make it. Okay. And we'll try to

1026
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,680
schedule it the 19th or 26th. Otherwise,

1027
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,760
want to aim for the 19th and make sure

1028
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:44,710
everybody can make that

1029
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:50,069
time.

1030
00:42:50,079 --> 00:42:54,230
» Yeah.

1031
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:58,550
Thank you.

1032
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:00,640
» And then I guess it we'd have to double

1033
00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,560
check to see if anything is going on

1034
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,280
downstairs because I know when we talked

1035
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,920
last Yeah.

1036
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:09,440
>> on it and then

1037
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:26,309
>> Yeah.

1038
00:43:26,319 --> 00:43:28,720
So, Chris, you made the comment on last

1039
00:43:28,720 --> 00:43:30,880
week that that we could go down and look

1040
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,040
at the dailies. Is that possible for me

1041
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:34,800
to go see what the guys are doing?

1042
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:36,880
>> Yeah, I've said that multiple times.

1043
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,960
>> So, is are they down in your office?

1044
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:39,920
>> Yep.

1045
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:41,839
>> So, does Lauren know where they are?

1046
00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:42,960
>> Yep.

1047
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,560
>> And so, as long as I don't take them out

1048
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:45,920
of the office, you're okay with that?

1049
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:46,720
>> Yep.

1050
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:51,990
>> Perfect.

1051
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,760
I didn't know if they were inside your

1052
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,880
office or if I knew where they were.

1053
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:01,040
>> No, they're available to anybody.

1054
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,880
>> I got these back on

1055
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:11,460
deal.

1056
00:44:11,470 --> 00:44:12,880
[clears throat] Just where we're at with

1057
00:44:12,880 --> 00:44:25,510
it up to date.

1058
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:28,560
So we're so is it we're waiting for

1059
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:32,880
water resources to connect with him.

1060
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:39,109
>> That's makes sense.

1061
00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:43,680
I drove down there. It's a really nice

1062
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:47,349
>> Yeah.

1063
00:44:47,359 --> 00:44:49,040
That's all I got.

1064
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:49,599
>> Okay.

1065
00:44:49,599 --> 00:44:50,400
>> Thanks, guys.

1066
00:44:50,400 --> 00:45:02,309
>> Thank you.

1067
00:45:02,319 --> 00:45:04,960
session. So I'm requesting an executive

1068
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,119
session uh under the non-elected

1069
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:10,480
personnel to discuss

1070
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,599
a9 employees museum for 10 minutes with

1071
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:19,829
Jody and myself.

1072
00:45:19,839 --> 00:45:21,839
So I'll make a motion to move into

1073
00:45:21,839 --> 00:45:24,240
executive session under non-elected

1074
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:28,079
personnel regarding a 998 museum

1075
00:45:28,079 --> 00:45:32,800
employee to include Tammy Cox and Jody

1076
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:34,640
and the commissioner

1077
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,480
resume in the commission room and how

1078
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,480
many

1079
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:44,000
>> 10 minutes they'll resume at 8:55.

1080
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,160
>> I'll second that. Is there any

1081
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,000
discussion?

1082
00:45:48,000 --> 00:55:00,069
All those in favor?

1083
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:03,200
Okay. I'll make a motion for HR to close

1084
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,079
the contract with the museum employee or

1085
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:07,760
999

1086
00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:12,240
museum employee effective today.

1087
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:16,470
>> I will second that.

1088
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,079
We don't want to specify in the

1089
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:20,240
discussion. Do we want to specify that

1090
00:55:20,240 --> 00:55:22,720
she's out of ours?

1091
00:55:22,720 --> 00:55:25,200
She is. She would exceed her 999

1092
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,240
contract. She's at the end of her 999

1093
00:55:28,240 --> 00:55:30,960
contract.

1094
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,333
>> You can make that statement if you want.

1095
00:55:33,333 --> 00:55:35,910
[laughter]

1096
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,440
» Okay. I guess that was during the

1097
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:38,720
comment section. That's during

1098
00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:41,520
discussion.

1099
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,670
Any other discussion?

1100
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:46,960
Those in favor?

1101
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:50,480
>> I

1102
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:52,960
we thank her for her diligence and

1103
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,720
perseverance. She's been a great

1104
00:55:54,720 --> 00:55:55,359
employee

1105
00:55:55,359 --> 00:55:57,040
>> and the work she's done at the museum

1106
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,680
has been really nice.

1107
00:55:59,680 --> 00:56:02,400
>> We look forward to keeping the museum

1108
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,440
open through volunteer work and through

1109
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,160
her her efforts

1110
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,720
just so we get established as a 501c3.

1111
00:56:10,720 --> 00:56:16,710
Life will be good again.

1112
00:56:16,720 --> 00:56:18,799
Should we make that comment about our

1113
00:56:18,799 --> 00:56:22,319
intention of the museum is just to

1114
00:56:22,319 --> 00:56:24,880
when they become a 501c3

1115
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,960
that

1116
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:30,079
basically everything is going to the

1117
00:56:30,079 --> 00:56:32,720
501c3 other than the building which will

1118
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:35,520
maintain insurance on.

1119
00:56:35,520 --> 00:56:37,520
>> Uh say that again. I said maybe we

1120
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:39,040
should just make that statement that

1121
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:43,760
everything is going to the 501c3

1122
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:45,440
except for the building which we will

1123
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:46,640
pay insurance on.

1124
00:56:46,640 --> 00:56:50,720
>> Okay. Yeah, I think you just did.

1125
00:56:50,720 --> 00:56:53,200
>> Just to clarify, I documented that that

1126
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,040
was our intent. So they they know it as

1127
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,319
well as everyone else.

1128
00:56:56,319 --> 00:56:57,839
>> Anything pertinent to the operation of

1129
00:56:57,839 --> 00:56:59,680
the museum will be maintained by the

1130
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:01,520
501c3

1131
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:03,760
county museum, whatever they call it,

1132
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:08,870
>> will be given over to them. Yeah.

1133
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:11,599
Okay,

1134
00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:18,549
next up is the sales tax collection.

1135
00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:20,319
» We have some discussion about that.

1136
00:57:20,319 --> 00:57:23,440
We've got the resolution in front of us.

1137
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:27,359
I did uh retap. You asked me to retap

1138
00:57:27,359 --> 00:57:35,030
Jeff

1139
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:38,160
and he was uh

1140
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:39,920
so at the back is where I reached out to

1141
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,240
Jeff. I think

1142
00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:46,549
maybe at the very bottom

1143
00:57:46,559 --> 00:57:49,359
I said Kevin forwarded this. I forwarded

1144
00:57:49,359 --> 00:58:00,230
this to Jeff.

1145
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,720
So Jeff, so I've heard the resolution is

1146
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,720
presented to Jeff and on this back page

1147
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:08,160
at the very top, it was Jeff's response.

1148
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:12,000
He kind of questioned the wording of it.

1149
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,720
And so I sent his

1150
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:18,079
to Kevin

1151
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:21,200
and I said, "What do you think?" And at

1152
00:58:21,200 --> 00:58:23,440
the very top he said, "I think the

1153
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:25,200
property tax reduction is is a

1154
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,760
permissionable purpose and the proposed

1155
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,920
language would require the property tax

1156
00:58:31,920 --> 00:58:34,319
being used to use for the county

1157
00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:36,559
hospital to be reduced." And then he

1158
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:38,400
proposed an alternative language, but I

1159
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,640
like I if you read through that, I I

1160
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,400
like that less than the original

1161
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,559
language. So

1162
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:46,880
you can read through it real quick and

1163
00:58:46,880 --> 00:58:52,309
compare it.

1164
00:58:52,319 --> 00:58:55,280
Now, the top page, the back of the top

1165
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,760
page, is that from Jeff?

1166
00:58:57,760 --> 00:58:58,960
>> That was from Jeff.

1167
00:58:58,960 --> 00:58:59,680
>> Yeah.

1168
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:01,680
>> So, the top page at the back.

1169
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:02,079
>> Yeah.

1170
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:03,599
>> Where he says, "I'm not an expert, but I

1171
00:59:03,599 --> 00:59:05,520
do question the language."

1172
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:08,640
>> So then I sent that I forwarded that to

1173
00:59:08,640 --> 00:59:09,359
Kevin,

1174
00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:09,920
>> right,

1175
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,240
>> with Gilmore Gilmore Bell.

1176
00:59:12,240 --> 00:59:13,119
>> Okay.

1177
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:15,040
>> And then he sent this back. He thought

1178
00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:17,839
it was okay. or if you prefer this other

1179
00:59:17,839 --> 00:59:20,720
language, but when I compare it, I like

1180
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:22,559
the original language better. So, you

1181
00:59:22,559 --> 00:59:26,950
can read through and see what you think.

1182
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,520
» Is today the absolute drop deadline,

1183
00:59:29,520 --> 00:59:33,359
Tammy? It's not.

1184
00:59:33,359 --> 00:59:35,920
>> Um, I will say I still have concerns

1185
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,559
with the wording myself because again,

1186
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:41,440
this will not reduce property taxes for

1187
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:42,559
years to come,

1188
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:43,520
>> right?

1189
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,280
>> Because of the way it's selected.

1190
00:59:47,280 --> 00:59:49,760
Right. So, I'm agreeing with Jeff here

1191
00:59:49,760 --> 00:59:52,079
and that by saying that that's not true

1192
00:59:52,079 --> 00:59:55,119
and that's not what we're doing.

1193
00:59:55,119 --> 00:59:57,440
>> Well, it says 25% of the sales tax

1194
00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,520
proceeds applied to reduce property

1195
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:00,880
currently financing the current

1196
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,920
hospital. That's just saying 25% of it

1197
01:00:03,920 --> 01:00:05,599
will go against what we're currently

1198
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:06,480
financing that.

1199
01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,559
>> But that will not happen for years,

1200
01:00:08,559 --> 01:00:10,720
>> right? We'll collect that sales tax for

1201
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,280
a year before we ever see a savings

1202
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:14,400
>> and then you got to wait another year

1203
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,640
for It'll be two years before you can

1204
01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,079
actually

1205
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:19,119
>> be 2028.

1206
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:21,839
>> Well, I was thinking if it this says

1207
01:00:21,839 --> 01:00:25,839
that we'll start collecting April 1st. I

1208
01:00:25,839 --> 01:00:29,520
did send this to this question

1209
01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:35,750
as well to Kevin Cohen.

1210
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:42,480
So I said, we start collecting the tax on

1211
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,680
April 1. Can we wait and distribute

1212
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:48,559
those monies to 2028? That is what I

1213
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:50,640
anticipate. And he goes, "Yes, I think

1214
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,480
you can wait and make and it makes sense

1215
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:53,920
to wait for the reasons that you

1216
01:00:53,920 --> 01:00:55,520
provide.

1217
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:58,160
If the tax commences for one, the county

1218
01:00:58,160 --> 01:00:59,680
likely will not see a significant

1219
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,280
distributions in the second half of the

1220
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:03,760
year anyway as a processing is in a

1221
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:06,319
rears for a few months.

1222
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:08,640
So he's saying we can accumulate it in

1223
01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:11,200
2027 and then apply it to the

1224
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:13,599
distribution in 2028

1225
01:01:13,599 --> 01:01:17,040
but it won't be a full

1226
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:20,480
>> right but it will be um whatever has

1227
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,799
been collected that 25% of it.

1228
01:01:24,799 --> 01:01:27,280
>> So you're going to have to budget the

1229
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:30,720
full six mills and not account for any

1230
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:34,079
sales tax. You won't be able to adjust a

1231
01:01:34,079 --> 01:01:36,640
budget until 2029.

1232
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:38,720
>> Well, 2028,

1233
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,599
I guess we'll just see what comes in if

1234
01:01:41,599 --> 01:01:45,520
it starts April 1st and I assume you

1235
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:47,599
when you receive the the sales tax

1236
01:01:47,599 --> 01:01:51,760
dollars, Jody, and does it break out? I

1237
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:54,000
guess right now all we do is get one.

1238
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,680
Were you here when we used to have the

1239
01:01:55,680 --> 01:02:00,150
jail sales tax?

1240
01:02:00,160 --> 01:02:02,720
I don't know how the two sales stacks

1241
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,040
are accounted are distributed

1242
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:06,559
separately. Does does it say

1243
01:02:06,559 --> 01:02:08,880
>> Well, I know Tammy has asked how that's

1244
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,319
going to work, how we're going to

1245
01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:11,599
receive the money, how we're going to

1246
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:13,119
distribute the money, and nobody has to

1247
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:14,640
help answer that.

1248
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,799
>> Well, he answers a question about when

1249
01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:19,839
we can make the distribution.

1250
01:02:19,839 --> 01:02:22,720
>> So, the key thing is that um he's saying

1251
01:02:22,720 --> 01:02:24,720
it's in a rear. So, well, I mean, we're

1252
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,520
just going to have to do an estimate

1253
01:02:27,520 --> 01:02:29,839
uh in 2027

1254
01:02:29,839 --> 01:02:33,680
when we're doing the 2028 budget

1255
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:36,559
and be conservative obviously.

1256
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:39,280
>> What what do you mean? You mean what?

1257
01:02:39,280 --> 01:02:40,480
Because so what's going to happen? So,

1258
01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:44,799
the way it works is the appropriations.

1259
01:02:44,799 --> 01:02:47,119
>> Correct. And that's why I said, is it

1260
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:50,880
okay if we hold the money in 2027

1261
01:02:50,880 --> 01:02:53,839
and make the distribution in 2028?

1262
01:02:53,839 --> 01:02:54,880
>> What are you talking about? The

1263
01:02:54,880 --> 01:02:56,240
distribution of the tax money or the

1264
01:02:56,240 --> 01:02:57,599
appropriation just to make sure.

1265
01:02:57,599 --> 01:02:58,720
>> The appropriation.

1266
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:01,599
>> Okay. So, as a hospital that

1267
01:03:01,599 --> 01:03:05,119
>> Well, it's going to be at the same time.

1268
01:03:05,119 --> 01:03:07,119
It's not It's going against their

1269
01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:08,640
appropriation,

1270
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:11,119
>> right? But I give their maybe I'm not

1271
01:03:11,119 --> 01:03:12,880
understanding correctly, but I give

1272
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,720
their appropriation February. What I'm

1273
01:03:14,720 --> 01:03:16,799
hearing is we won't give them the

1274
01:03:16,799 --> 01:03:18,240
appropriation in February.

1275
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:19,039
>> Yeah, we will.

1276
01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:21,200
>> Okay. That's that's what I was hearing

1277
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:22,480
was we're not hearing

1278
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:23,920
>> and that's why we're going to collect it

1279
01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:25,920
all of 2027.

1280
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,000
And so when we plan the budget year of

1281
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,319
2028,

1282
01:03:30,319 --> 01:03:33,520
we will have to be conservative in our

1283
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,280
estimate of what that revenue will be.

1284
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,440
It might be more, but we'll just have to

1285
01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:40,240
be conservative. The key thing to me,

1286
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,119
Jody, is how they the state will send

1287
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:45,520
you the monies

1288
01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:49,839
>> because in the past they used to have

1289
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:52,000
the two separate sales tax anyway. You

1290
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,960
had the sales tax for the jail and you

1291
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,119
had the sales the general sales tax.

1292
01:03:57,119 --> 01:03:58,480
>> Yeah. I've just been waiting for

1293
01:03:58,480 --> 01:04:00,799
guidance on somebody to tell me how this

1294
01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:01,520
is

1295
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,839
>> well do I have to create a fund? Do I

1296
01:04:03,839 --> 01:04:06,240
have to account for this a special way?

1297
01:04:06,240 --> 01:04:07,760
Nobody's been able to answer any

1298
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:09,200
questions on any of this.

1299
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:11,200
>> Okay. So, based on what he says is that

1300
01:04:11,200 --> 01:04:12,799
we're going to hold it all.

1301
01:04:12,799 --> 01:04:14,559
>> Yeah. It doesn't answer my question. It

1302
01:04:14,559 --> 01:04:16,240
does not answer anything that I just

1303
01:04:16,240 --> 01:04:16,880
said.

1304
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:18,640
>> Well, it's basically saying that you're

1305
01:04:18,640 --> 01:04:19,920
going to we're not going to do the

1306
01:04:19,920 --> 01:04:21,039
distributions.

1307
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:22,400
>> Yeah. That's not what I'm asking.

1308
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:25,520
>> Well, you're going to accumulate it in a

1309
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,520
separate fund because

1310
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,599
>> nobody has directly told me that I need

1311
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:33,359
to plan to create a new fund to account

1312
01:04:33,359 --> 01:04:35,920
for this money. Nobody has given any

1313
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:39,520
guidance on how we are collecting this

1314
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:43,599
money and how we are distributing it.

1315
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:46,400
There's been zero guidance.

1316
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,559
>> Well, I mean just because it's a special

1317
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:52,720
use sales tax, it will have to be in a

1318
01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:54,559
separate use fund because it can't be

1319
01:04:54,559 --> 01:04:56,720
used for general fund purposes. So,

1320
01:04:56,720 --> 01:04:58,640
it'll have to be you'll have to set up a

1321
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:00,640
separate fund. We'll set up a separate

1322
01:05:00,640 --> 01:05:03,760
fund in the budget for it and the

1323
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:07,599
distribution will be in uh February 2028

1324
01:05:07,599 --> 01:05:09,839
just like we've done in the past, but it

1325
01:05:09,839 --> 01:05:13,280
won't come from that fund.

1326
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,400
We won't have any money. Well,

1327
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:18,000
>> in 2028.

1328
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:20,319
>> Well, you're talking in 28. But but then

1329
01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:22,000
are we pulling it from where we usually

1330
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:25,200
pull the appropriation and then re

1331
01:05:25,200 --> 01:05:26,640
>> we could do that money.

1332
01:05:26,640 --> 01:05:28,319
>> We could do either one. We could do a

1333
01:05:28,319 --> 01:05:30,079
direct distribution out of that fund or

1334
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:32,480
we could transfer it to the general fund

1335
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,880
and but either way it's going to work.

1336
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:37,680
But the to answer your question Jody yes

1337
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:39,359
we have to keep that in a separate fund

1338
01:05:39,359 --> 01:05:42,640
because it has a special use.

1339
01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,680
>> I'm saying distributing it

1340
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,480
>> in and according to Kevin distributing

1341
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:50,480
in February is fine.

1342
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:52,559
>> You won't have a full year's worth

1343
01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:53,359
>> correct

1344
01:05:53,359 --> 01:05:54,480
>> of funding.

1345
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:56,319
>> Correct. And that's why we'll have to be

1346
01:05:56,319 --> 01:05:58,720
conservative when we're estimating the

1347
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:01,440
revenues from that in the 2028 budget.

1348
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,119
>> I guess I guess the workings of it too

1349
01:06:03,119 --> 01:06:05,839
because then we talk about EMS. So are

1350
01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:07,520
we basically going to clear out that

1351
01:06:07,520 --> 01:06:10,160
account every time? I mean and do you

1352
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:11,520
know the actual answers to these? Are we

1353
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,520
just guessing this? We can't guess when

1354
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,680
it comes to audits and all those things.

1355
01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,160
Like, do you know for a fact through

1356
01:06:18,160 --> 01:06:20,240
government law that we can take that

1357
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:24,079
money and re um put that money back into

1358
01:06:24,079 --> 01:06:26,240
our general fund for the special use or

1359
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,240
does it have a special use?

1360
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,880
>> I think it'll continue to stay this

1361
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,559
special use fund. We would never I don't

1362
01:06:32,559 --> 01:06:33,359
think we would ever

1363
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:35,200
>> How are we saving any money out of it?

1364
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:35,760
Because

1365
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,599
>> because we're because instead of taking

1366
01:06:37,599 --> 01:06:39,599
six mills out of the general fund, for

1367
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:41,839
example, we take four mills out of the

1368
01:06:41,839 --> 01:06:44,079
general fund and two mills out of the

1369
01:06:44,079 --> 01:06:46,559
special use tax fund.

1370
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:48,880
It's just two separate funds. It It's

1371
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:50,559
not that simple. And that's what we're

1372
01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:55,440
trying to say. It's not that simple from an accounting standpoint. It's not

1373
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:56,400
that simple.

1374
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:58,720
>> Well, other counties have this. other

1375
01:06:58,720 --> 01:06:59,440
counties use

1376
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:01,520
>> and I've said that but what we've asked

1377
01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:03,760
for is guidance because we're not the

1378
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:05,280
ones having these discussions we're

1379
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:07,200
asking for guidance I I said last

1380
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:08,960
meeting I know we're not reinventing the

1381
01:07:08,960 --> 01:07:11,280
wheel here we just need to have that

1382
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:14,319
information in place before we just

1383
01:07:14,319 --> 01:07:16,000
we're asking questions we're not getting

1384
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:16,480
answers

1385
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:18,640
>> well I just told you that to me it's

1386
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:20,880
obvious that we have to have a special

1387
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:23,520
fund for it because it's a special use

1388
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:25,760
sales tax I answered that question

1389
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:27,119
>> right but I thought that wasn't my

1390
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:28,880
question you the appropriation part of

1391
01:07:28,880 --> 01:07:30,160
it and you're talking about how to take

1392
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:32,079
mills in and out and I'm saying it's not

1393
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:32,799
that

1394
01:07:32,799 --> 01:07:35,200
>> well yeah if it's six mills if you

1395
01:07:35,200 --> 01:07:36,960
distribute four out of the general fund

1396
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:39,520
and two out of that fund why is that

1397
01:07:39,520 --> 01:07:40,799
complicated

1398
01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:42,319
>> you've never done an appropriation

1399
01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:44,400
before it's it's a little more

1400
01:07:44,400 --> 01:07:46,559
complicated than that from my end so

1401
01:07:46,559 --> 01:07:47,920
that's what we're looking for is we're

1402
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:48,720
looking for

1403
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,559
>> that's how it'll be done because we will

1404
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:54,559
want to keep those funds separate by law

1405
01:07:54,559 --> 01:07:56,079
and that's when you look at other

1406
01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:58,079
counties that have a your sales tax.

1407
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:03,270
They have a special fund for it.

1408
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,440
» This does not have to be decided today

1409
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:06,319
yet, does it?

1410
01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:07,359
>> Not yet. Nope.

1411
01:08:07,359 --> 01:08:10,000
>> I'd prefer to have Scotty on vote for

1412
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:10,960
it.

1413
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:13,520
>> Well, we asked him we asked him at that

1414
01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:16,080
last meeting if he was okay with this

1415
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:20,400
resolution as presented and he said yes.

1416
01:08:20,400 --> 01:08:24,159
>> When is the date that we have for drop?

1417
01:08:24,159 --> 01:08:26,880
>> It's not a there's not a statuto date.

1418
01:08:26,880 --> 01:08:29,679
um before you know I have to have balls

1419
01:08:29,679 --> 01:08:31,759
up 45 days ahead of time.

1420
01:08:31,759 --> 01:08:34,719
>> Um I believe I will get the full list. I

1421
01:08:34,719 --> 01:08:36,159
mean we still have at least one more

1422
01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:36,799
Monday.

1423
01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:37,520
>> Okay.

1424
01:08:37,520 --> 01:08:39,279
>> Um it kind of depends on when I get the

1425
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:41,199
complete list. I believe September 11th

1426
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:43,359
is the cut off cut off date, but I don't

1427
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:45,040
know that for a fact off the top of my

1428
01:08:45,040 --> 01:08:48,400
head. Um but that is a Friday of next

1429
01:08:48,400 --> 01:08:52,000
week. So I hope that balance. Well, last

1430
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:54,159
week I specifically asked God if he was

1431
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:56,000
okay with this resolution so we could

1432
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:00,550
move forward

1433
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,560
» and I did not change this resolution

1434
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:04,400
from the one that he present that was

1435
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:07,199
presented to him.

1436
01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:08,880
>> It sounds like a lot of things are being

1437
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:10,719
presented here that Scott may not be

1438
01:09:10,719 --> 01:09:12,880
aware of. You know the complication on

1439
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:16,159
Tammy's end. She's down a person in her

1440
01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:17,199
office.

1441
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:18,960
>> This this distribution isn't even going

1442
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,279
to happen till 2028. Dwayne.

1443
01:09:21,279 --> 01:09:25,510
>> Yeah,

1444
01:09:25,520 --> 01:09:28,480
I prefer

1445
01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:30,400
Tammy. Will it cause you any problem if

1446
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,480
we kick it down the road to the next

1447
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:33,679
meeting which be?

1448
01:09:33,679 --> 01:09:35,440
>> It won't cause me any problems now.

1449
01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:39,679
>> It won't be. It won't be till the 14th.

1450
01:09:39,679 --> 01:09:43,679
>> It'll be the 14th of September,

1451
01:09:43,679 --> 01:09:45,920
>> which would be probably the last day.

1452
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,600
So, I said the 11th, but that is a

1453
01:09:47,600 --> 01:09:50,080
Friday when we'll probably get the

1454
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,960
confirmation of the candidates from the

1455
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:54,159
Secretary of State's office because

1456
01:09:54,159 --> 01:09:55,920
there's an appeal process after they

1457
01:09:55,920 --> 01:09:59,840
certify. So, 14th would be the deadline.

1458
01:09:59,840 --> 01:10:00,400
>> 14.

1459
01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:01,679
>> I can promise you it wouldn't be past

1460
01:10:01,679 --> 01:10:04,480
that day.

1461
01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:07,040
>> Okay.

1462
01:10:07,040 --> 01:10:08,480
It sounds like there's a lot of things

1463
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:10,400
maybe on Tammy and Jod's end that aren't

1464
01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:13,120
falling together the way it should.

1465
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,280
>> Okay. But you have to remember they are

1466
01:10:15,280 --> 01:10:18,159
totally on the distribution side and the

1467
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:19,840
accounting side. It has nothing to do

1468
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:24,870
with the resolution side.

1469
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,560
» I'm

1470
01:10:26,560 --> 01:10:29,840
if it will work for

1471
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:32,560
the clerk of the treasur, I'd like to

1472
01:10:32,560 --> 01:10:37,350
have Scott involved in it.

1473
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:39,760
Well, I would I'm going to make a motion

1474
01:10:39,760 --> 01:10:42,719
to approve resolution 2613

1475
01:10:42,719 --> 01:10:46,229
as presented.

1476
01:10:46,239 --> 01:10:54,229
» Is there a second?

1477
01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:59,590
» Motion died for last second.

1478
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:01,679
The final sale start discussion will

1479
01:11:01,679 --> 01:11:04,320
take place on September

1480
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:13,270
14th.

1481
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:16,880
something we might do before then if um

1482
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:18,320
if we can get some of those questions

1483
01:11:18,320 --> 01:11:20,000
answered just so I mean might as well

1484
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:21,600
have them so me and have everything set

1485
01:11:21,600 --> 01:11:22,800
up ahead of time because I don't know if

1486
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:25,360
we have to those are some of those walls

1487
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:31,830
I'm not sure of

1488
01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:33,679
» Could you turn the blower off Tammy

1489
01:11:33,679 --> 01:11:39,590
>> I sure having a little trouble hearing.

1490
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:42,159
» Okay, we want to move on to the consent

1491
01:11:42,159 --> 01:11:45,040
agenda.

1492
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:47,280
I'll move to approve the consent agenda

1493
01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:49,199
which includes accounts payable for

1494
01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:52,159
328,885

1495
01:11:52,159 --> 01:11:57,199
and59 cents which includes the $38,000

1496
01:11:57,199 --> 01:11:59,920
um hospital debt for the general

1497
01:11:59,920 --> 01:12:02,560
obligation notes the commission minutes

1498
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,800
for August 24th and the payroll for

1499
01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:09,510
August 2026.

1500
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:13,430
Is there any discussion?

1501
01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:16,000
All those in favor?

1502
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:27,110
>> I

1503
01:12:27,120 --> 01:12:28,560
Tammy,

1504
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:30,320
>> I'm sorry. There'll be no meeting next

1505
01:12:30,320 --> 01:12:31,920
week

1506
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,400
uh because of

1507
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:43,030
>> Okay.

1508
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:55,110
That will be

1509
01:12:55,120 --> 01:13:06,709
» that it

1510
01:13:06,719 --> 01:13:13,280
commissioner comments. Well, I did um I just wanted to note to the public

1511
01:13:13,280 --> 01:13:15,760
about the uh Kansas Department of

1512
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,480
Revenue letter that we got regarding our

1513
01:13:18,480 --> 01:13:21,600
uh compliance the uh

1514
01:13:21,600 --> 01:13:25,040
compliance review of our uh

1515
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:27,920
our appraisal staff. So, I'm thankful.

1516
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:29,600
It says they were in substantial

1517
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,280
compliance. So, I'm thankful for our

1518
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:35,360
staff there for that.

1519
01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:38,159
Um, there was a question sent to me and

1520
01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:40,320
I'm sure I think it was No. Yeah, it was

1521
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,159
sent to all the commissioners from uh

1522
01:13:42,159 --> 01:13:46,159
Luke Hustler with from the high school

1523
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:48,960
wanting to know if uh there was a

1524
01:13:48,960 --> 01:13:51,120
foreign exchange student that we could

1525
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,520
utilize her somehow. Did you read

1526
01:13:53,520 --> 01:13:55,520
through that joint? Did you think of

1527
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:58,000
anything that

1528
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,120
>> I'm had a question, you know, if they

1529
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:04,400
can explore our local government, but I

1530
01:14:04,400 --> 01:14:05,360
don't know how it would relate to

1531
01:14:05,360 --> 01:14:07,520
theirs. I guess maybe their, you know,

1532
01:14:07,520 --> 01:14:08,719
that type of thing.

1533
01:14:08,719 --> 01:14:11,199
>> Yeah, I didn't know maybe um maybe to

1534
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:13,440
send this on to choose Ottawa County. I

1535
01:14:13,440 --> 01:14:15,440
don't know if they would somehow be able

1536
01:14:15,440 --> 01:14:17,760
to use her.

1537
01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,520
>> What are your thoughts about that?

1538
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:20,800
>> That would be good. Yeah,

1539
01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:22,239
>> it was sent to all the other county

1540
01:14:22,239 --> 01:14:25,280
departments as well, so it might

1541
01:14:25,280 --> 01:14:28,800
Oh, it just listed mine only listed you

1542
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:31,280
and Jody and the three commissioners.

1543
01:14:31,280 --> 01:14:33,440
>> Yeah, I plan to kind of move it forward

1544
01:14:33,440 --> 01:14:34,880
too, but I figured that was

1545
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:36,000
>> You did forward it.

1546
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,400
>> No, I plan to.

1547
01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:39,600
>> Were you going to send it to Choose

1548
01:14:39,600 --> 01:14:40,719
Ottawa County?

1549
01:14:40,719 --> 01:14:42,719
>> No. Okay, I'll forward it to Choose

1550
01:14:42,719 --> 01:14:46,000
Ottawa County and see if maybe they

1551
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,040
could somehow use her. You never know.

1552
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,080
She might be this talented great writer.

1553
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:53,920
I think it's for county government,

1554
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:55,440
isn't it? Maybe if I read the email.

1555
01:14:55,440 --> 01:14:57,199
>> Well, she said she wanted to study

1556
01:14:57,199 --> 01:14:58,560
political science,

1557
01:14:58,560 --> 01:15:01,520
>> right?

1558
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,840
>> So, I don't know how she was all I mean,

1559
01:15:03,840 --> 01:15:05,440
>> you don't think that ties to local

1560
01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:07,360
government?

1561
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,040
>> Not as much. Not as much as I think I

1562
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,320
think is the intent. Um,

1563
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:13,679
I had planned to reach out because

1564
01:15:13,679 --> 01:15:15,120
political science with the election

1565
01:15:15,120 --> 01:15:17,199
administration and some of the things I

1566
01:15:17,199 --> 01:15:18,640
do in my office kind of see what the

1567
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:19,920
hours would be and

1568
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:22,400
>> so so you're going to reach out and also

1569
01:15:22,400 --> 01:15:24,000
um you're going to send it to other

1570
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:27,040
department heads.

1571
01:15:27,040 --> 01:15:28,880
>> That's

1572
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:30,640
I haven't had I haven't had I've read

1573
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:34,159
it. I have ideas. I'm not going to say

1574
01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:36,719
for sure. I mean I want to I just

1575
01:15:36,719 --> 01:15:38,880
>> Okay. Well, I appreciate you doing that

1576
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,440
just to kind of see if you know if it

1577
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:44,000
can be used.

1578
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:47,920
>> Okay. So, the bi-weekly reports,

1579
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:49,679
um, did you say I sent a second email

1580
01:15:49,679 --> 01:15:55,760
out about that, Dwayne? So, they were saying that um Tammy and Chris

1581
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:57,760
came in that afternoon and said that

1582
01:15:57,760 --> 01:16:01,760
what I presented in my email did not

1583
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:03,360
agree with what they remembered and

1584
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,040
there was no video of the meeting for me

1585
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:07,600
to look at to say

1586
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:10,960
u what did or didn't not happen. Do you

1587
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,400
believe that what I sent out was

1588
01:16:12,400 --> 01:16:15,440
contradictory to what we said?

1589
01:16:15,440 --> 01:16:17,600
I think it was I think we're getting

1590
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:21,280
into a micromanaging area here and I've

1591
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:24,000
done some soularching over the weekend

1592
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,199
and in my career at Beachcraft I was

1593
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:29,520
responsible for every hour that I worked

1594
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:32,400
to my supervisor.

1595
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:35,120
I think what and that's what I had that

1596
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,199
we were accountable the workers were

1597
01:16:37,199 --> 01:16:38,800
accountable to us for every hour that

1598
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,080
they worked but they have a department

1599
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:42,400
head in there that can give us those

1600
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:45,120
figures and we don't need to know on a

1601
01:16:45,120 --> 01:16:50,320
daily basis. I don't think what goes on a daily basis.

1602
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,040
What I equated it to in my career at

1603
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,520
Beachcraft, we would have a subsidiary

1604
01:16:55,520 --> 01:16:57,600
company out here that was producing

1605
01:16:57,600 --> 01:17:02,640
parts for us. They operated totally um

1606
01:17:02,640 --> 01:17:04,960
away from the company, no supervision

1607
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:07,760
until the parts didn't come in. And then

1608
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:09,520
we would want to know why. We would want

1609
01:17:09,520 --> 01:17:11,840
to report. We want to know what what was

1610
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:14,880
wrong. And I think, you know, that is

1611
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,120
the case that we operate by. I live by

1612
01:17:17,120 --> 01:17:18,800
the phone, the fact that my phone

1613
01:17:18,800 --> 01:17:21,840
doesn't ring. You know, it the job must

1614
01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:24,320
be doing well. If we hear a complaint

1615
01:17:24,320 --> 01:17:27,040
from a constituent,

1616
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:28,719
we

1617
01:17:28,719 --> 01:17:32,080
can call that department head or have

1618
01:17:32,080 --> 01:17:34,320
them call the department head. If we

1619
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:37,520
call it, they call, we call back because

1620
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:39,520
ultimately it's the department head that

1621
01:17:39,520 --> 01:17:42,719
is responsible for those decisions. But

1622
01:17:42,719 --> 01:17:45,040
how do we know what they do?

1623
01:17:45,040 --> 01:17:46,480
>> We don't have to know unless there's a

1624
01:17:46,480 --> 01:17:46,800
problem.

1625
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,760
>> We don't have to know. You know, we are

1626
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:51,520
the direct supervisor for the

1627
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:54,480
non-elected department heads. And when

1628
01:17:54,480 --> 01:17:59,760
and um so you saying I just trust. I

1629
01:17:59,760 --> 01:18:01,920
mean, I'm a trust and verify Reagan

1630
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,400
person. You trust? Yep. Verify. I trust.

1631
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:08,560
Yes, they're doing good. But I verify.

1632
01:18:08,560 --> 01:18:13,199
>> So, let me give you my example. So uh

1633
01:18:13,199 --> 01:18:15,600
what so let's use our agenda for an

1634
01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,000
example. You could say I approve the

1635
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,560
consent agenda or do you approve the

1636
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:22,400
consent agenda which included these

1637
01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:25,520
minutes and this uh accounts payable for

1638
01:18:25,520 --> 01:18:30,080
a certain amount of money. I mean it's just a more specific it's not

1639
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:32,800
detail by detail but it's it's more

1640
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,920
specific than we approved the consent

1641
01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:41,120
agenda. Well, that's not um

1642
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:42,719
it doesn't really tell you much detail.

1643
01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:44,560
Or let's say from the road and bridge

1644
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:47,679
standpoint, they say they make a report

1645
01:18:47,679 --> 01:18:49,920
that says, and this didn't happen, but

1646
01:18:49,920 --> 01:18:53,199
let's say they said we put a culvert in.

1647
01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:54,480
Well, I'd be want to know where the

1648
01:18:54,480 --> 01:18:57,280
culver went. Or we put a ditch in. Well,

1649
01:18:57,280 --> 01:18:58,880
I would like to know where ditch work is

1650
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:00,480
because I remember Joe making that

1651
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:02,560
comment that the entire county needs

1652
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:03,840
ditch work. So, I would like to know

1653
01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:07,910
where that ditch work is.

1654
01:19:07,920 --> 01:19:10,480
That's that's how I differentiate it.

1655
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:14,480
Specific enough, but not crazy detail to

1656
01:19:14,480 --> 01:19:18,000
say, "Hey, we put in this ditches along

1657
01:19:18,000 --> 01:19:20,320
this road." That's all I'm wanting. It's

1658
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:22,560
not this day we put in this one. This

1659
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:24,080
one was put in this one.

1660
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:26,080
>> Why do you need that detail? Well,

1661
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:28,480
because when my constituents say that

1662
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:30,400
there's no ditches being done in their

1663
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:32,560
area, I can at least say I know where

1664
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,080
the ditches are being done. So, I'm

1665
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:35,679
hopeful they will move to your area

1666
01:19:35,679 --> 01:19:36,320
soon.

1667
01:19:36,320 --> 01:19:38,880
>> Have them call Joe and say, "Hey, we

1668
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:40,320
need ditches in our area."

1669
01:19:40,320 --> 01:19:42,480
>> People have told me that people tell me

1670
01:19:42,480 --> 01:19:44,080
that they go and they get on the list

1671
01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,880
and they're frustrated. What What What

1672
01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:48,880
am I supposed to do with that?

1673
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:50,560
>> Have them call back.

1674
01:19:50,560 --> 01:19:52,320
I've not had that kind of problem or

1675
01:19:52,320 --> 01:19:54,960
that kind of experience in my my area.

1676
01:19:54,960 --> 01:19:57,440
You know, I have people that have called

1677
01:19:57,440 --> 01:19:59,600
me about a problem, a coworker, whatever

1678
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:03,040
it is, and I call Joe, then I call the

1679
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:04,719
people back and tell them yes, they're

1680
01:20:04,719 --> 01:20:06,640
going to be on it and they're on it and

1681
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:07,840
it's done.

1682
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,440
>> Well, yeah. I I I am jealous because

1683
01:20:11,440 --> 01:20:14,080
when I say something needs to be done,

1684
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:16,239
it doesn't get done that next week. So,

1685
01:20:16,239 --> 01:20:18,320
I don't know why yours gets done and

1686
01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,000
mine doesn't. I didn't say it was the

1687
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:23,040
next week. It might be two weeks or

1688
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:23,520
three weeks.

1689
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,280
>> Oh, but I but that doesn't happen in my

1690
01:20:25,280 --> 01:20:28,800
area either. I am saying that I have

1691
01:20:28,800 --> 01:20:31,280
concerns that when I first came in two

1692
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:32,640
years ago

1693
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,040
>> that haven't been done. And if yours

1694
01:20:35,040 --> 01:20:37,199
gets done at two or 3 weeks, I have a

1695
01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:39,280
problem with that.

1696
01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:41,360
>> And I may have thrown those numbers out.

1697
01:20:41,360 --> 01:20:43,440
I don't know how long they got done, how

1698
01:20:43,440 --> 01:20:45,440
long it was. I know there are jobs that

1699
01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:47,520
are on the list that are in my area that

1700
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,520
are not done. There are many things

1701
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,360
we've talked to them about making this

1702
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,040
road greater, you know, to dig the

1703
01:20:53,040 --> 01:20:54,640
ditch, you know, where it will keep the

1704
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:58,560
water from running over the road. Uh the

1705
01:20:58,560 --> 01:21:00,080
bottom line is I think that we're

1706
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,239
getting people that are upset because of

1707
01:21:02,239 --> 01:21:04,400
this micromanagement. They

1708
01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:06,000
>> Who's getting upset?

1709
01:21:06,000 --> 01:21:07,520
>> The people the workers

1710
01:21:07,520 --> 01:21:09,600
>> that report to us. The department heads

1711
01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,520
to report to us. You're afraid you we've

1712
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:13,840
hurt their feelings.

1713
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:18,239
I think they're Yeah, I think they're

1714
01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:19,760
being micromanaged,

1715
01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:24,400
>> but they report to us, Dwayne. Anyway, I

1716
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:27,920
will um since uh Chris said I can go

1717
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:29,360
look at the dailies.

1718
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:31,280
>> I will see where that work is being

1719
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:33,679
done. And um

1720
01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:36,480
>> yeah, I would encourage even if you have

1721
01:21:36,480 --> 01:21:38,000
a question over an invoice, I try and

1722
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:39,840
look over the invoices as soon as I get

1723
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:41,760
them. And then if I have a question with

1724
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:45,040
an invoice or for Tammy or whoever, I

1725
01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:46,960
try and contact them one on- one in

1726
01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:49,040
their office. And I think we go one on

1727
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:51,360
one in the offices. Not everybody's

1728
01:21:51,360 --> 01:21:53,679
comfortable in an open meeting session.

1729
01:21:53,679 --> 01:21:56,960
I think sometimes they're not maybe they

1730
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,679
have apprehension about speaking out for

1731
01:21:59,679 --> 01:22:01,440
fear of retribute. I don't know what the

1732
01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:03,600
problem is, why they would not want to

1733
01:22:03,600 --> 01:22:06,239
do that. But some people are just more

1734
01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:08,400
familiar if you just go in and talk to

1735
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:10,080
them one on one.

1736
01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:12,080
>> I understand that. I send individual

1737
01:22:12,080 --> 01:22:14,080
emails out for accounts payable all the

1738
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,000
time to for them to

1739
01:22:16,000 --> 01:22:19,040
>> No, I mean one- on-one visual person.

1740
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:20,480
You don't get inflection. You don't get

1741
01:22:20,480 --> 01:22:22,960
body language. You don't get tone in an

1742
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:26,560
email. You know, you just go in and just

1743
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,320
visit. You know, it's not as an

1744
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:30,639
interview or as a boss. It's just go in

1745
01:22:30,639 --> 01:22:32,560
as a friend. Hey, what can I do for you?

1746
01:22:32,560 --> 01:22:34,800
What can I help you? How does this work?

1747
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:36,880
You know, tell me about your your

1748
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:38,719
operation.

1749
01:22:38,719 --> 01:22:41,040
What makes it better? what can make it

1750
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:42,560
better.

1751
01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:44,480
>> Well, I agree with that, but I still

1752
01:22:44,480 --> 01:22:46,159
think that we're accountable to our

1753
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:47,920
constituents on what's being done and

1754
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,960
what's not being done. So,

1755
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:54,400
anyway, I for instance, the information

1756
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:57,360
that Sarah gave was incredibly helpful

1757
01:22:57,360 --> 01:22:59,040
to know what her department did the last

1758
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:00,880
two weeks. That was wonderful

1759
01:23:00,880 --> 01:23:02,960
information to have what our our health

1760
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:05,120
department does.

1761
01:23:05,120 --> 01:23:06,800
>> I think we could go back to the once a

1762
01:23:06,800 --> 01:23:09,679
month and if we visit oneon one, we will

1763
01:23:09,679 --> 01:23:11,120
the pulse of a courthouse. We'll have

1764
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:13,920
the pulse of the people knowing what

1765
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:15,760
they feel, how they feel, what they're

1766
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:17,120
getting done, what they're not getting

1767
01:23:17,120 --> 01:23:21,360
done, where the problem areas are.

1768
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:23,360
I think it needs to be a more personal

1769
01:23:23,360 --> 01:23:27,600
approach than than the emails or what we

1770
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,950
might have.

1771
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,520
» Well, you know, I think that it gives

1772
01:23:33,520 --> 01:23:34,960
them an opportunity to say what all

1773
01:23:34,960 --> 01:23:37,280
their departments do to give us so they

1774
01:23:37,280 --> 01:23:39,360
get recognition. I think it like I said

1775
01:23:39,360 --> 01:23:41,760
for the Ottawa for the health center it

1776
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,440
was extremely helpful to understand what

1777
01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:53,510
they do and um

1778
01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,440
» Oh, I don't have any comments. It's my

1779
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:56,159
turn again.

1780
01:23:56,159 --> 01:23:58,400
>> No, I have one more comment.

1781
01:23:58,400 --> 01:24:00,880
>> Yeah. So, I guess to wrap that up,

1782
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:02,480
you're saying that you just want to go

1783
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:04,960
back to the once a month

1784
01:24:04,960 --> 01:24:07,600
>> for them to come in. But you said once a

1785
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:10,239
month. So, you guys pushed it back to

1786
01:24:10,239 --> 01:24:12,320
once every two months.

1787
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:14,400
>> Let's compromise from two weeks to two

1788
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:16,400
months in the middle. Once a month, it

1789
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:18,239
wouldn't have to come in. I think if

1790
01:24:18,239 --> 01:24:20,000
they can submit a good writing, you

1791
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,440
know, of what they have done, you know,

1792
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:23,760
summary of what they have accomplished

1793
01:24:23,760 --> 01:24:26,080
in their time frame, you know, we don't

1794
01:24:26,080 --> 01:24:29,520
need to know how many tags Jody sold.

1795
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:30,800
>> I don't care about that either.

1796
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:34,080
>> Yeah. But what they have done, you know,

1797
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:36,880
I Let's try it that way.

1798
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:38,800
>> Okay. I'm perfectly fine with the once a

1799
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:39,280
month.

1800
01:24:39,280 --> 01:24:41,280
>> Okay. And it could be a written report

1801
01:24:41,280 --> 01:24:43,760
and that would be fine.

1802
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:47,199
>> Okay. So, the one last thing I have is I

1803
01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:49,280
think we have to revisit the jail. So, I

1804
01:24:49,280 --> 01:24:50,719
think we need to have the sheriff come

1805
01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:53,840
back in.

1806
01:24:53,840 --> 01:24:59,189
>> I don't have my phone.

1807
01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:00,639
» You want him to come up and talk?

1808
01:25:00,639 --> 01:25:02,719
>> Yes. If we're going to talk about the

1809
01:25:02,719 --> 01:25:04,080
jail, I think he's going to want to be

1810
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,239
here. Are you guys wanting me to call

1811
01:25:06,239 --> 01:25:06,800
him?

1812
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:08,800
>> Yes, please.

1813
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:10,239
Scott's not here to call him.

1814
01:25:10,239 --> 01:25:11,679
>> Yeah.

1815
01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:13,679
>> Scott always does the calling. I was

1816
01:25:13,679 --> 01:25:15,199
halfway here before I realized, oh, I

1817
01:25:15,199 --> 01:25:16,480
don't have my phone.

1818
01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:17,679
>> Oh, you didn't bring your phone?

1819
01:25:17,679 --> 01:25:18,800
>> I don't have my phone.

1820
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:20,480
>> I did that one time and I didn't have

1821
01:25:20,480 --> 01:25:22,320
this phone hooked up and I had to go

1822
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,280
down and use Tammy's phone and say,

1823
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:26,239
"Help."

1824
01:25:26,239 --> 01:25:27,920
>> I'm going to call my wife and say, "I am

1825
01:25:27,920 --> 01:25:29,520
leaving if I'm not home in 10 minutes.

1826
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:31,280
Come find me because I' got a flat tire.

1827
01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:38,950
I'm in a ditch or something."

1828
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:41,840
» He did not respond. He didn't. I saw him

1829
01:25:41,840 --> 01:25:42,800
walk by there.

1830
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,360
>> He might be busier in court.

1831
01:25:45,360 --> 01:25:46,880
>> Is that something we need to put on the

1832
01:25:46,880 --> 01:25:47,760
agenda?

1833
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:49,679
>> No, I think we have to talk about it now

1834
01:25:49,679 --> 01:25:52,639
because uh we made a decision last week

1835
01:25:52,639 --> 01:25:55,600
and I and we made a decision last week

1836
01:25:55,600 --> 01:26:00,320
without numbers and that is

1837
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,880
that should not happen.

1838
01:26:02,880 --> 01:26:04,719
Do you want to call Terry and let her

1839
01:26:04,719 --> 01:26:15,669
know that we're disc

1840
01:26:15,679 --> 01:26:18,080
but I believe in court. So I don't know

1841
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:27,030
that that's something that could be

1842
01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:28,639
Are you guys wanting to take a break to

1843
01:26:28,639 --> 01:26:32,560
see if we can't get a hold of him?

1844
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:34,719
See,

1845
01:26:34,719 --> 01:26:36,400
>> Carla, are you wanting to take a break

1846
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,000
to see if we need to get a hold of them?

1847
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,280
>> Yeah, I guess we could do that.

1848
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,280
>> That might be kind of a better option to

1849
01:26:41,280 --> 01:26:42,400
give us time to

1850
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:45,280
>> Let's see. Where is So,

1851
01:26:45,280 --> 01:26:48,239
>> there you give a 10-minute break.

1852
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:50,000
>> Is that what you need for 10 minutes?

1853
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:51,679
>> Well, we can take 10 minutes. See if we

1854
01:26:51,679 --> 01:26:53,040
can find the sheriff. Is that what you

1855
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:54,080
mean?

1856
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:55,600
>> We'll take I move we take 10 minute

1857
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:56,159
break.

1858
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:57,920
>> Okay.

1859
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,960
>> At 9, we'll resume at 9

1860
01:27:00,960 --> 01:27:04,400
>> 38. Yeah,

1861
01:27:04,400 --> 01:36:54,310
>> I'll

1862
01:36:54,320 --> 01:37:07,189
audio

1863
01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:10,719
back to the recess.

1864
01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:12,239
Was anybody able to get a hold of

1865
01:37:12,239 --> 01:37:13,040
sheriff?

1866
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:13,760
>> No.

1867
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:14,560
>> Okay.

1868
01:37:14,560 --> 01:37:16,480
>> So, I did leave a message at dispatch

1869
01:37:16,480 --> 01:37:18,400
that if they see the sheriff that we're

1870
01:37:18,400 --> 01:37:20,080
discussing it.

1871
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:22,159
>> So, on Wednesday,

1872
01:37:22,159 --> 01:37:26,239
we discussed uh opening the jail back up

1873
01:37:26,239 --> 01:37:29,280
and uh we actually voted for that but we

1874
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:32,400
didn't really have the financial impact

1875
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:34,560
to really look at to see what it looked

1876
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:38,400
like and um so over the weekend I went

1877
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:40,639
back to the sheriff's calculation you

1878
01:37:40,639 --> 01:37:42,400
know on Wednesday he didn't give us any

1879
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:44,639
financial information

1880
01:37:44,639 --> 01:37:47,280
and so I went back to the housing for

1881
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:49,520
Sedu County information that he gave us

1882
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,360
initially did you still have that or I

1883
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:53,040
made you a copy right now

1884
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:55,040
>> okay

1885
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:56,560
Did you have that here? I did. I made

1886
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:58,960
you a copy right now. So, that was what

1887
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:02,560
he presented to us. I I think it was in

1888
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:05,760
July, like July 24th or 17th, something

1889
01:38:05,760 --> 01:38:08,239
like that. So, this is his information

1890
01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:10,320
that he provided.

1891
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:14,400
And um he was saying to reopen the jail

1892
01:38:14,400 --> 01:38:18,950
was going to cost $635,000.

1893
01:38:18,960 --> 01:38:21,760
And um

1894
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:26,400
that was a a staff of eight. And then I

1895
01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:29,040
sent an email to him and he said, "Well,

1896
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:33,360
anything over the 30 mark, 30 inmates."

1897
01:38:33,360 --> 01:38:35,360
And he said, "Actually, there should be

1898
01:38:35,360 --> 01:38:38,480
three anytime it's 20 or more." So, in

1899
01:38:38,480 --> 01:38:41,679
each of those shifts, we would go from

1900
01:38:41,679 --> 01:38:45,440
eight employees to 12 employees. And I

1901
01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:48,639
wasn't quite sure on Wednesday, did did

1902
01:38:48,639 --> 01:38:50,960
he want to hire 12? Was that the

1903
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:54,320
discussion? Ultimately,

1904
01:38:54,320 --> 01:38:56,639
I think he will be at 12, but I don't

1905
01:38:56,639 --> 01:39:01,040
think he initially needs 12 to get one

1906
01:39:01,040 --> 01:39:03,199
pod open in the jail.

1907
01:39:03,199 --> 01:39:05,119
>> That was my understanding.

1908
01:39:05,119 --> 01:39:08,880
>> So, anyway, so he wrote that email back

1909
01:39:08,880 --> 01:39:11,840
saying anything over 20, he would need

1910
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,960
three. So, he has four shifts. So, that

1911
01:39:14,960 --> 01:39:17,440
would be four. So, his his stacking

1912
01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:22,080
would go from 8 to 12. And then the he

1913
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:25,199
included in this analysis like o

1914
01:39:25,199 --> 01:39:27,679
overtime budgeted overtime and budgeted

1915
01:39:27,679 --> 01:39:29,760
shift differential. But what he didn't

1916
01:39:29,760 --> 01:39:31,760
include was the cost of benefits for

1917
01:39:31,760 --> 01:39:34,960
those 12 employees. So what I did on my

1918
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,920
spreadsheet which is was really quick

1919
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:40,960
was to take his beginning number

1920
01:39:40,960 --> 01:39:43,600
that he had on his that he presented to

1921
01:39:43,600 --> 01:39:46,400
us two months ago

1922
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:50,560
month and a half ago. um to get roll it

1923
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:53,760
from the eight staff he had to the 12

1924
01:39:53,760 --> 01:39:56,560
staff and add the benefits. So at that

1925
01:39:56,560 --> 01:39:59,679
point it cost about 1.1 million to run

1926
01:39:59,679 --> 01:40:01,520
the jail

1927
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:04,719
uh for those for that staffing of 12

1928
01:40:04,719 --> 01:40:06,480
employees.

1929
01:40:06,480 --> 01:40:09,920
And then I pulled the numbers from the

1930
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:13,440
22 budget and the 23 budget to

1931
01:40:13,440 --> 01:40:15,040
understand if that was just a crazy

1932
01:40:15,040 --> 01:40:16,719
number and it's really not. I mean look

1933
01:40:16,719 --> 01:40:20,000
at the 23 budget numbers. Um they

1934
01:40:20,000 --> 01:40:24,639
budgeted $928,000 of expenses. So the

1935
01:40:24,639 --> 01:40:27,199
fact that what four four years late

1936
01:40:27,199 --> 01:40:29,760
three years later it'd be a million one

1937
01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:32,960
probably isn't that crazy out of line.

1938
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,440
So then you know he said that we're

1939
01:40:35,440 --> 01:40:39,280
going to get $60 a day and he was aiming

1940
01:40:39,280 --> 01:40:43,280
for 30 inmates. Well 30 inmates at $60 a

1941
01:40:43,280 --> 01:40:46,159
day for every day. if we have that many

1942
01:40:46,159 --> 01:40:51,910
every day is going to generate $657,000.

1943
01:40:51,920 --> 01:40:54,960
And so then I said, well, so what at

1944
01:40:54,960 --> 01:40:58,239
what point do we break even

1945
01:40:58,239 --> 01:41:00,400
to cover we so we have the cost of our

1946
01:41:00,400 --> 01:41:02,880
inmates saving that 43,000 and that was

1947
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:05,840
based on his number as well.

1948
01:41:05,840 --> 01:41:08,320
And so

1949
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:09,840
um

1950
01:41:09,840 --> 01:41:12,000
so I said what is it taking in

1951
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:13,920
consideration that inmate savings what

1952
01:41:13,920 --> 01:41:16,480
would we need to break even on the jail

1953
01:41:16,480 --> 01:41:18,320
and it would be 48 inmates and I'm

1954
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:19,840
thinking well by the time we have 48

1955
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:22,080
inmates we don't have room for our

1956
01:41:22,080 --> 01:41:24,639
inmates and because he said it was only

1957
01:41:24,639 --> 01:41:27,520
whole 55 and we would probably have to

1958
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:29,920
go staffing from

1959
01:41:29,920 --> 01:41:32,400
three per session to four per session.

1960
01:41:32,400 --> 01:41:35,440
So then you have the additional staffing

1961
01:41:35,440 --> 01:41:38,480
numbers. So

1962
01:41:38,480 --> 01:41:41,760
I guess you know what I saw was um the

1963
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:43,679
break even point based on his

1964
01:41:43,679 --> 01:41:45,600
calculation

1965
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:49,920
was $55 a day if we only had eight, but

1966
01:41:49,920 --> 01:41:51,760
he did not have the benefits included in

1967
01:41:51,760 --> 01:41:55,679
that. And then I sent him back and I

1968
01:41:55,679 --> 01:41:58,800
said, "Well, if you add one staff, your

1969
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:02,719
break even point is $65 a day.

1970
01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:04,560
But you really aren't just hiring one

1971
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:06,560
staff. You're wanting one staff per

1972
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:09,920
shift, which is 12. So then our break

1973
01:42:09,920 --> 01:42:13,280
even becomes $80 a day.

1974
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:15,920
So we would actually need to have $80 a

1975
01:42:15,920 --> 01:42:18,950
day

1976
01:42:18,960 --> 01:42:23,189
for 30 inmates

1977
01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:29,910
for every day at 30 to cover our cost.

1978
01:42:29,920 --> 01:42:32,560
Did that calculate for you?

1979
01:42:32,560 --> 01:42:33,199
>> Okay.

1980
01:42:33,199 --> 01:42:37,430
>> 876,000.

1981
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:40,320
» So, I know that. So, this is the way I'm

1982
01:42:40,320 --> 01:42:44,560
looking at it. Right now, our cost

1983
01:42:44,560 --> 01:42:49,990
is $43,000 to house our inmates.

1984
01:42:50,000 --> 01:42:53,199
That That's our cost.

1985
01:42:53,199 --> 01:42:55,280
And what we're doing is we're going to

1986
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:59,760
open a jail to provide services for

1987
01:42:59,760 --> 01:43:02,880
other counties

1988
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:06,320
and we're going to put that loss on our

1989
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:08,639
taxpayers.

1990
01:43:08,639 --> 01:43:13,990
That doesn't make sense to me.

1991
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:17,280
If it was to house our inmates, I

1992
01:43:17,280 --> 01:43:18,800
understand we don't have to break even.

1993
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:21,040
That is something we have to provide.

1994
01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:23,760
So, but this is not What we're proposing

1995
01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:27,440
to do is not providing housing for our

1996
01:43:27,440 --> 01:43:30,880
inmates. It's h helping Sichu County.

1997
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:34,960
And so by us operating at a loss, we're

1998
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:38,000
carrying their burden of inmates and

1999
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:41,520
losing money for our constituents.

2000
01:43:41,520 --> 01:43:46,870
And it doesn't make sense to me.

2001
01:43:46,880 --> 01:43:49,280
» I see the dollars don't add up on a

2002
01:43:49,280 --> 01:43:56,790
spreadsheet.

2003
01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:59,199
I guess I got kind of alarmed because I

2004
01:43:59,199 --> 01:44:02,400
was saying, well, you know, his number

2005
01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:07,350
even 30 inmates, that's $657,000.

2006
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:09,600
If you're he's hiring if he's having a

2007
01:44:09,600 --> 01:44:11,679
staff at 12, we're still going to lose

2008
01:44:11,679 --> 01:44:16,470
half a million dollars.

2009
01:44:16,480 --> 01:44:18,560
I don't understand why we would take

2010
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:21,440
that burden

2011
01:44:21,440 --> 01:44:24,960
that when it's another county's inmate

2012
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:32,470
solution.

2013
01:44:32,480 --> 01:44:36,000
» Have you run the numbers if the jail is

2014
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:38,960
full at I didn't see it on there. Okay.

2015
01:44:38,960 --> 01:44:42,880
48 48 inmates at $60 a day

2016
01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,840
>> would be the break in at 60. But then,

2017
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:48,480
you know, he said that he only holds 55.

2018
01:44:48,480 --> 01:44:50,480
So, that would only leave seven for our

2019
01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:51,520
inmates.

2020
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:53,360
>> And I think that's about what we have is

2021
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:57,199
five, seven inmates.

2022
01:44:57,199 --> 01:44:58,639
>> Yeah.

2023
01:44:58,639 --> 01:45:03,119
>> But even if we go to 48 or 55, including

2024
01:45:03,119 --> 01:45:05,440
our own, our staffing is going to go

2025
01:45:05,440 --> 01:45:06,800
from

2026
01:45:06,800 --> 01:45:10,960
>> a staff of three. Oh, there he is.

2027
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:12,560
>> I was in court.

2028
01:45:12,560 --> 01:45:14,560
And I thought that you were in court.

2029
01:45:14,560 --> 01:45:16,239
>> Well, thanks for coming.

2030
01:45:16,239 --> 01:45:17,679
>> Cool.

2031
01:45:17,679 --> 01:45:19,840
>> So, so I started working on the numbers

2032
01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:22,719
over the weekend on opening the jail.

2033
01:45:22,719 --> 01:45:23,119
>> Uhhuh.

2034
01:45:23,119 --> 01:45:25,679
>> And I started using your numbers

2035
01:45:25,679 --> 01:45:26,800
>> that you gave us.

2036
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:29,760
>> Yes. And so when when you first prepared

2037
01:45:29,760 --> 01:45:31,119
this,

2038
01:45:31,119 --> 01:45:35,430
>> you were saying um

2039
01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:39,360
you you said uh $55 a day and then I

2040
01:45:39,360 --> 01:45:41,360
wrote you the email back

2041
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:46,149
>> and I said um

2042
01:45:46,159 --> 01:45:49,679
at about my what I what I thought you

2043
01:45:49,679 --> 01:45:52,239
didn't you didn't pick up which was

2044
01:45:52,239 --> 01:45:55,360
benefits on the salaries. No, there was

2045
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:57,679
>> you picked up the overtime.

2046
01:45:57,679 --> 01:45:58,080
>> No.

2047
01:45:58,080 --> 01:45:59,920
>> And you picked up the shifting.

2048
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:01,600
>> I [clears throat] added Carla and I'm

2049
01:46:01,600 --> 01:46:03,199
not trying to argue with you, but I

2050
01:46:03,199 --> 01:46:05,840
added I went to Jod personally and asked

2051
01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:08,639
her what the benefits was going to be.

2052
01:46:08,639 --> 01:46:11,600
So on that scale, that's benefits

2053
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:13,920
included and the overtime is just extra

2054
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:15,520
on there. No, but when I do your

2055
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:18,159
calculation, I took all your numbers and

2056
01:46:18,159 --> 01:46:22,480
I calculated you took like the the the

2057
01:46:22,480 --> 01:46:24,880
pay and you took it times the number of

2058
01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:26,560
people and you took it times the number

2059
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:28,000
of hours,

2060
01:46:28,000 --> 01:46:30,159
>> but you didn't add the benefit cost in.

2061
01:46:30,159 --> 01:46:32,159
>> The benefits are in there. I just did

2062
01:46:32,159 --> 01:46:34,880
not add that when um and that's my bad,

2063
01:46:34,880 --> 01:46:38,320
but it it is included in the pay. I

2064
01:46:38,320 --> 01:46:40,080
don't have it on there. I'm just saying

2065
01:46:40,080 --> 01:46:43,280
that when I put it in there, that was

2066
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:45,280
part of it. It just wasn't in that

2067
01:46:45,280 --> 01:46:46,159
sheet.

2068
01:46:46,159 --> 01:46:48,480
>> But all all these information, all this

2069
01:46:48,480 --> 01:46:51,199
ties to this information.

2070
01:46:51,199 --> 01:46:52,000
>> I understand.

2071
01:46:52,000 --> 01:46:54,960
>> So I tied all the numbers you presented

2072
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:59,440
here to your financial recap.

2073
01:46:59,440 --> 01:47:02,480
And so it it's just salaries. It's not

2074
01:47:02,480 --> 01:47:03,280
benefits.

2075
01:47:03,280 --> 01:47:05,040
>> There is benefits in there with them

2076
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:07,199
salaries. I can promise you that. I

2077
01:47:07,199 --> 01:47:10,320
talked to to Jody and when I did the

2078
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:14,239
salary per person, that's including the

2079
01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:14,960
benefits.

2080
01:47:14,960 --> 01:47:16,800
>> Well, that can't be because I'm sorry,

2081
01:47:16,800 --> 01:47:20,800
but 1822 an hour cannot include

2082
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:23,040
benefits.

2083
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:25,679
>> No, but the actual So, what was the

2084
01:47:25,679 --> 01:47:28,560
actual per officer per year?

2085
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:31,119
>> Okay, so you have 40 hours

2086
01:47:31,119 --> 01:47:33,600
>> Uhhuh. four weeks is so much per month

2087
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:36,719
and you had so much overtime,

2088
01:47:36,719 --> 01:47:39,199
20 hours of overtime per month.

2089
01:47:39,199 --> 01:47:45,590
>> So it equals 13,847

2090
01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:48,000
» and then you and then you per you had

2091
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:51,119
four Yeah, you had four at that rate and

2092
01:47:51,119 --> 01:47:53,760
then your other one you had with the a

2093
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:55,760
cost differential in there for the night

2094
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:57,679
shift.

2095
01:47:57,679 --> 01:48:01,440
So you had four at the 13847

2096
01:48:01,440 --> 01:48:05,440
and you had So the 13847 is strictly the

2097
01:48:05,440 --> 01:48:07,600
822

2098
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:11,119
times uh 822

2099
01:48:11,119 --> 01:48:14,000
times the 40 hours

2100
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:16,480
plus overtime

2101
01:48:16,480 --> 01:48:19,360
and you take I have to look look at it.

2102
01:48:19,360 --> 01:48:22,000
Well, I want to back up anyways because

2103
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:25,280
I I contacted Scott Lloyd

2104
01:48:25,280 --> 01:48:27,040
um and he's putting some figures

2105
01:48:27,040 --> 01:48:30,320
together for me. Uh

2106
01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:32,639
we're

2107
01:48:32,639 --> 01:48:34,639
still transitioning,

2108
01:48:34,639 --> 01:48:37,920
but to the point where it's not going to

2109
01:48:37,920 --> 01:48:42,880
if the numbers don't match up, we're not

2110
01:48:42,880 --> 01:48:45,040
going forward.

2111
01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:47,040
>> Well, I

2112
01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:49,199
>> because because

2113
01:48:49,199 --> 01:48:53,440
Um, at this point, um, I was waiting the

2114
01:48:53,440 --> 01:48:54,880
other day when I come up and originally

2115
01:48:54,880 --> 01:48:56,960
talked to you guys about what they were

2116
01:48:56,960 --> 01:48:59,440
going to actually pay and a contract

2117
01:48:59,440 --> 01:49:02,719
that I've been looking to get for two

2118
01:49:02,719 --> 01:49:04,800
over two weeks, the first time they come

2119
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:08,320
in and and the contract come in finally.

2120
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:10,239
Um, it was about the same time that I

2121
01:49:10,239 --> 01:49:12,239
was up here visiting you guys.

2122
01:49:12,239 --> 01:49:14,239
>> Uhhuh. Um and I went back and talked to

2123
01:49:14,239 --> 01:49:17,760
them and they're um at 45 is what they

2124
01:49:17,760 --> 01:49:21,920
pay everybody per inmate per day.

2125
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:25,280
>> So negotiation right now with them is to

2126
01:49:25,280 --> 01:49:30,560
pay us 55 per day per inmate and then if

2127
01:49:30,560 --> 01:49:34,560
we get over 50 which chances probably

2128
01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:37,600
are slim kind of um if we get over 50

2129
01:49:37,600 --> 01:49:40,560
then we reduce it back to 45.

2130
01:49:40,560 --> 01:49:42,960
>> Okay. So, my problem is

2131
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:45,840
>> is we are taking inmates from another

2132
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:47,520
county

2133
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:49,600
and we're going to put them in our jail

2134
01:49:49,600 --> 01:49:52,080
and we're going to lose money to house

2135
01:49:52,080 --> 01:49:52,560
them.

2136
01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:55,119
>> You are already Okay. So, I want to I

2137
01:49:55,119 --> 01:49:57,199
want to explain something to you and and

2138
01:49:57,199 --> 01:49:58,719
I know that we've talked about this and

2139
01:49:58,719 --> 01:50:00,800
I'm I'm not trying to be an ass by any

2140
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:03,280
means. You don't run the jail. The

2141
01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:05,520
sheriff runs the jail. If I choose to

2142
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:07,440
put inmates in there, Carla, that's my

2143
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:08,400
choice.

2144
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:10,159
>> But if you We didn't budget for it.

2145
01:50:10,159 --> 01:50:13,520
Carla, that is my choice.

2146
01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:15,440
I'm trying to be nice and work with you

2147
01:50:15,440 --> 01:50:17,760
guys because I don't want to cost the

2148
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:20,239
taxpayers cuz I'm a taxpayer. I'm not

2149
01:50:20,239 --> 01:50:22,800
going to c charge them or cost them any

2150
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:25,119
more than we're doing. Okay, that's my

2151
01:50:25,119 --> 01:50:26,400
first thing I want to make sure that

2152
01:50:26,400 --> 01:50:28,719
everybody understands. My second thing

2153
01:50:28,719 --> 01:50:30,639
is

2154
01:50:30,639 --> 01:50:33,199
we're not going we are not making money

2155
01:50:33,199 --> 01:50:35,280
now. This jail is never meant to make

2156
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:38,800
money. The jail is a it's something the

2157
01:50:38,800 --> 01:50:40,480
county needs. It has to have

2158
01:50:40,480 --> 01:50:41,440
>> I understand.

2159
01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:42,719
>> Understand that.

2160
01:50:42,719 --> 01:50:46,639
>> So regardless of whether we lose money,

2161
01:50:46,639 --> 01:50:48,320
we're never going to make money off of

2162
01:50:48,320 --> 01:50:51,440
jail. The jail was not meant to be

2163
01:50:51,440 --> 01:50:54,080
something that we profit from.

2164
01:50:54,080 --> 01:50:55,360
>> I understand that.

2165
01:50:55,360 --> 01:51:00,400
>> Okay. But we're not going. So right now

2166
01:51:00,400 --> 01:51:02,080
roughly

2167
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:06,560
it's costing us around $200,000

2168
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:08,719
the way it says.

2169
01:51:08,719 --> 01:51:11,679
And so your 200,000 is based on

2170
01:51:11,679 --> 01:51:13,119
>> that's based on

2171
01:51:13,119 --> 01:51:13,920
>> employees.

2172
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:16,560
that's based on inmates that's

2173
01:51:16,560 --> 01:51:17,360
based on

2174
01:51:17,360 --> 01:51:20,159
>> plus the 43,000 a house.

2175
01:51:20,159 --> 01:51:20,480
>> What's that

2176
01:51:20,480 --> 01:51:22,880
>> in Mitchell County? Yeah.

2177
01:51:22,880 --> 01:51:25,520
>> And it's closer to probably 45 to five

2178
01:51:25,520 --> 01:51:27,920
per per month. That's [clears throat]

2179
01:51:27,920 --> 01:51:33,360
probably the higher end of it is that um

2180
01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:37,199
that $200,000 is also part of the actual

2181
01:51:37,199 --> 01:51:39,840
utilities.

2182
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:41,440
The problem and and I get where you're

2183
01:51:41,440 --> 01:51:42,960
coming from. I don't I'm I don't want

2184
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:44,880
you to think I'm coming ac across as an

2185
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:48,560
ass. Okay.

2186
01:51:48,560 --> 01:51:50,639
That $200,000

2187
01:51:50,639 --> 01:51:52,800
is also the fact that we have to have

2188
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:54,400
that building period. Whether we have

2189
01:51:54,400 --> 01:51:56,639
inmates in it, whether we have inmates

2190
01:51:56,639 --> 01:51:59,199
out of it, we have to have that

2191
01:51:59,199 --> 01:52:01,119
building. Unless you're going to find us

2192
01:52:01,119 --> 01:52:02,639
a different place to have our

2193
01:52:02,639 --> 01:52:04,639
administration office, our dispatch.

2194
01:52:04,639 --> 01:52:06,400
>> We don't.

2195
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:07,840
>> So, we have to have it. I get that

2196
01:52:07,840 --> 01:52:09,840
period. Wouldn't be different than you

2197
01:52:09,840 --> 01:52:11,440
guys had to have a room so you guys can

2198
01:52:11,440 --> 01:52:14,159
organize this on a monthly or Monday

2199
01:52:14,159 --> 01:52:16,800
every morning. Monday morning. So, that

2200
01:52:16,800 --> 01:52:20,320
has to happen. So out of that $200,000

2201
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:23,440
included in that is the building itself

2202
01:52:23,440 --> 01:52:25,280
to operate

2203
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:27,280
the utilities and so forth.

2204
01:52:27,280 --> 01:52:32,639
>> Okay. So let me get this right. So that $200,000 is our sum cost

2205
01:52:32,639 --> 01:52:34,960
>> right now. It does not include our jail

2206
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:36,000
debt obviously.

2207
01:52:36,000 --> 01:52:36,800
>> No.

2208
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:39,360
>> So we have that $200,000 plus a jail

2209
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:41,599
debt right now. Okay. I got that

2210
01:52:41,599 --> 01:52:45,920
>> 200 yearly 35 I think what we pay,000.

2211
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:46,800
Yeah.

2212
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:49,840
I don't want to do the wrong thing,

2213
01:52:49,840 --> 01:52:52,400
but I also want to make sure that if if

2214
01:52:52,400 --> 01:52:53,840
it's something that we should be

2215
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:57,040
involved in that at least we're plugging

2216
01:52:57,040 --> 01:52:59,199
forward with what we can. The stuff that

2217
01:52:59,199 --> 01:53:03,920
Keith has done is stuff that should have been done anyways. Um he's

2218
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:07,280
changing nightlights. He's changing out

2219
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:09,520
uh the diaphragms for the plumbing to

2220
01:53:09,520 --> 01:53:12,159
make sure that that works. Um because

2221
01:53:12,159 --> 01:53:14,880
without water running through them,

2222
01:53:14,880 --> 01:53:18,000
>> a a rubber piece goes bad.

2223
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:20,560
>> And unfortunately, if you don't have

2224
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:22,719
inmates in, they don't get flushed all

2225
01:53:22,719 --> 01:53:24,880
the time. Therefore, they go bad. Those

2226
01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:29,599
are I think he said 35 or $40 a piece to

2227
01:53:29,599 --> 01:53:31,920
change out, but it need they needed to

2228
01:53:31,920 --> 01:53:32,400
be done.

2229
01:53:32,400 --> 01:53:33,199
>> I agree.

2230
01:53:33,199 --> 01:53:36,480
>> Um he hasn't done

2231
01:53:36,480 --> 01:53:39,840
anything more than what's necessary. the

2232
01:53:39,840 --> 01:53:42,400
guys come in today to fix or to work on

2233
01:53:42,400 --> 01:53:45,280
our camera system and our boards that

2234
01:53:45,280 --> 01:53:48,800
we've already paid for. So,

2235
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:50,320
that hasn't I mean, that's not an

2236
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:54,480
additional cost. Um, the kitchen people,

2237
01:53:54,480 --> 01:53:56,320
they're going to get ready to go in case

2238
01:53:56,320 --> 01:53:58,239
they have to go. If I tell them, I've

2239
01:53:58,239 --> 01:54:00,239
already talked to Tim with Benchmark and

2240
01:54:00,239 --> 01:54:02,320
he said that if it doesn't if it isn't a

2241
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:04,560
go, just call us and let us know.

2242
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:06,000
>> But for right now, they're going forward

2243
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:07,440
with it.

2244
01:54:07,440 --> 01:54:09,360
Um,

2245
01:54:09,360 --> 01:54:11,520
I've contacted

2246
01:54:11,520 --> 01:54:13,840
I've had contact with about five or six

2247
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,480
sling county deputies or corrections

2248
01:54:16,480 --> 01:54:18,639
officers slash deputies that are willing

2249
01:54:18,639 --> 01:54:21,920
to do part-time for me.

2250
01:54:21,920 --> 01:54:23,280
Starting now, it's going to cost us

2251
01:54:23,280 --> 01:54:26,000
period because we're not going to full

2252
01:54:26,000 --> 01:54:28,800
be fully at staff for about a month at

2253
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:31,920
least and be able to have them work in

2254
01:54:31,920 --> 01:54:34,800
there. They have to be trained. I have

2255
01:54:34,800 --> 01:54:36,239
to get people hired and then get them

2256
01:54:36,239 --> 01:54:38,560
trained. So, I mean, it's going to take

2257
01:54:38,560 --> 01:54:42,639
a while. And I told them 12 just to get

2258
01:54:42,639 --> 01:54:45,760
us our foot in the door.

2259
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:48,960
So, it's going to that for sure is not

2260
01:54:48,960 --> 01:54:51,360
going to pay for the jail. I understand

2261
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:51,679
that.

2262
01:54:51,679 --> 01:54:55,040
>> Starting out with part-time people

2263
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:55,920
benefits.

2264
01:54:55,920 --> 01:54:59,589
>> Yep. Yeah.

2265
01:54:59,599 --> 01:55:01,119
» The jail. The jail.

2266
01:55:01,119 --> 01:55:04,480
>> Are all your Well, they can't be people

2267
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:06,560
that are working 40 hours and 60 hours a

2268
01:55:06,560 --> 01:55:06,800
week

2269
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:09,760
>> right now or those No, no, no, no, no.

2270
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:11,920
That's that Carla. The only reason I got

2271
01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:14,320
a whole I contacted I remember telling

2272
01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:16,080
me this telling you guys this. I

2273
01:55:16,080 --> 01:55:19,119
contacted contacted Sling County and I

2274
01:55:19,119 --> 01:55:21,199
contacted Dickinson County and asked

2275
01:55:21,199 --> 01:55:23,520
them if they could help another fellow

2276
01:55:23,520 --> 01:55:26,639
sheriff out letting me borrow some of

2277
01:55:26,639 --> 01:55:29,360
their people so we could get our jail up

2278
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:33,760
and operational in two weeks, which I

2279
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:37,280
think we could do.

2280
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:39,199
But then the question is in two weeks

2281
01:55:39,199 --> 01:55:40,960
are we still I mean where are we going

2282
01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:43,920
to be as far as our full-time staff

2283
01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:45,840
which is on that sheet because we have

2284
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:47,760
to have those 10 people. So then

2285
01:55:47,760 --> 01:55:51,760
part-time people are not part of that.

2286
01:55:51,760 --> 01:55:52,960
make sense?

2287
01:55:52,960 --> 01:55:59,350
>> Yes. The the um

2288
01:55:59,360 --> 01:56:00,560
» So you're thinking you're going to have

2289
01:56:00,560 --> 01:56:03,360
two parttime and 10 full-time?

2290
01:56:03,360 --> 01:56:05,040
>> No.

2291
01:56:05,040 --> 01:56:07,440
>> I'm thinking just this up and going.

2292
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:09,119
It's going to be primarily part-time

2293
01:56:09,119 --> 01:56:13,040
period just so we're covered safely to

2294
01:56:13,040 --> 01:56:16,159
monitor the inmates and to operate the

2295
01:56:16,159 --> 01:56:17,520
jail.

2296
01:56:17,520 --> 01:56:18,880
>> Okay. So,

2297
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:22,560
>> I'm I've talked to

2298
01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:24,800
I have one kid two kids I interviewed

2299
01:56:24,800 --> 01:56:26,239
kids. I have two people that I

2300
01:56:26,239 --> 01:56:30,480
interviewed on Friday that could start

2301
01:56:30,480 --> 01:56:33,840
today, one of them. Um, and then I have

2302
01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:36,880
two interviews Thursday, I believe, with

2303
01:56:36,880 --> 01:56:39,920
three more.

2304
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:41,840
But just because I interview him doesn't

2305
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:45,119
mean I have to that it's a tenative

2306
01:56:45,119 --> 01:56:48,400
offer if I if I decide to hire them. So,

2307
01:56:48,400 --> 01:56:52,239
it's it's not going to be a full offer.

2308
01:56:52,239 --> 01:56:54,480
I guess I don't we don't do that. We do

2309
01:56:54,480 --> 01:56:56,800
UAS and backgrounds and everything else

2310
01:56:56,800 --> 01:57:03,910
before we give them the permanent offer.

2311
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:06,719
No, none of them.

2312
01:57:06,719 --> 01:57:09,119
>> So, I said it's going it's going to be

2313
01:57:09,119 --> 01:57:11,599
chaotic if we go forward with this, but

2314
01:57:11,599 --> 01:57:15,030
um

2315
01:57:15,040 --> 01:57:17,520
I don't know looking at the numbers.

2316
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:23,199
>> I my my break even number and that that was based on full 12 full-time

2317
01:57:23,199 --> 01:57:24,159
people.

2318
01:57:24,159 --> 01:57:27,360
>> My breaking even number was $80 a day.

2319
01:57:27,360 --> 01:57:28,560
>> Yeah, you're not going to get that

2320
01:57:28,560 --> 01:57:31,679
anywhere. I was begging and pleading

2321
01:57:31,679 --> 01:57:35,280
just so um they would even look at this

2322
01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:37,360
$55.

2323
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:39,440
>> But but

2324
01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:42,639
I don't understand why at $55 we're

2325
01:57:42,639 --> 01:57:44,719
going to lose a lot of money.

2326
01:57:44,719 --> 01:57:52,080
>> What's 55? Sorry. 55. Take 55 times 50

2327
01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:54,800
$55 a day.

2328
01:57:54,800 --> 01:57:55,840
>> Let's just say

2329
01:57:55,840 --> 01:57:57,920
>> hypothetically if they bring us 40. So

2330
01:57:57,920 --> 01:58:00,800
55 time 40.

2331
01:58:00,800 --> 01:58:01,199
>> Okay.

2332
01:58:01,199 --> 01:58:04,480
>> Take that times 365.

2333
01:58:04,480 --> 01:58:06,560
>> $83,000.

2334
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:09,679
>> That's what you're going to at. Would

2335
01:58:09,679 --> 01:58:12,239
you put 30 in there? 30 days

2336
01:58:12,239 --> 01:58:13,920
>> or 30 30

2337
01:58:13,920 --> 01:58:15,199
>> 365.

2338
01:58:15,199 --> 01:58:16,239
>> Yeah.

2339
01:58:16,239 --> 01:58:16,880
>> I put

2340
01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:17,760
>> Right. Right. Right. Right.

2341
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:20,159
>> You told me to put 40 employees. 40 40

2342
01:58:20,159 --> 01:58:20,960
inmates.

2343
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:22,320
>> Yep.

2344
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:22,960
>> At 55.

2345
01:58:22,960 --> 01:58:27,520
>> 55. But if we have uh 40 inmates, your

2346
01:58:27,520 --> 01:58:29,840
staffing is going to increase

2347
01:58:29,840 --> 01:58:32,400
>> beyond, you know, this analysis that you

2348
01:58:32,400 --> 01:58:34,800
did was based on eight.

2349
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:35,520
>> And you told me,

2350
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:36,719
>> not 10, right? I

2351
01:58:36,719 --> 01:58:38,960
>> in an email that it was going to once it

2352
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:41,920
hit 20, you should have three per

2353
01:58:41,920 --> 01:58:44,000
>> to be safely to operate the jail. You

2354
01:58:44,000 --> 01:58:45,199
should have three people on.

2355
01:58:45,199 --> 01:58:48,080
>> I agree. Because to handle a ju or to

2356
01:58:48,080 --> 01:58:49,920
handle a juvenile to handle an adult

2357
01:58:49,920 --> 01:58:51,040
inmate,

2358
01:58:51,040 --> 01:58:52,639
>> you should have at least two people

2359
01:58:52,639 --> 01:58:54,719
present when you're dealing with it.

2360
01:58:54,719 --> 01:58:58,080
>> So the way our jail operates is is if

2361
01:58:58,080 --> 01:58:59,840
you have two out there, you have to have

2362
01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:01,840
the third one that operates the board to

2363
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:03,040
let them in and out.

2364
01:59:03,040 --> 01:59:03,920
>> Uhuh. Makes sense.

2365
01:59:03,920 --> 01:59:06,159
>> So can I ask a question on the

2366
01:59:06,159 --> 01:59:07,840
calculations?

2367
01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:10,719
So I have these right for the

2368
01:59:10,719 --> 01:59:12,159
when you're doing the calculation of

2369
01:59:12,159 --> 01:59:14,480
staff, is this including the staff you

2370
01:59:14,480 --> 01:59:16,560
already have and or is that only an

2371
01:59:16,560 --> 01:59:17,119
addition?

2372
01:59:17,119 --> 01:59:18,800
>> No, that was additional staff. I was

2373
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:21,679
doing it strictly based on what the

2374
01:59:21,679 --> 01:59:24,400
sheriff had given before. So, I I took I

2375
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:26,639
tried to take your numbers and roll

2376
01:59:26,639 --> 01:59:32,719
>> I could have swore, Carla, I put um the benefits in there.

2377
01:59:32,719 --> 01:59:36,239
>> 8 to 12, right? The additional only.

2378
01:59:36,239 --> 01:59:38,719
>> So, when I did that number, that was

2379
01:59:38,719 --> 01:59:39,679
eight.

2380
01:59:39,679 --> 01:59:42,320
>> It was eight full. It was eight fulltime

2381
01:59:42,320 --> 01:59:42,719
staff,

2382
01:59:42,719 --> 01:59:46,080
>> right? So, what

2383
01:59:46,080 --> 01:59:48,080
843,000.

2384
01:59:48,080 --> 01:59:50,320
Divide that out. It's about 47,000 per

2385
01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:51,760
person.

2386
01:59:51,760 --> 01:59:55,119
>> So that would be including

2387
01:59:55,119 --> 01:59:56,639
>> it would be pretty close to it. You're

2388
01:59:56,639 --> 01:59:57,679
right.

2389
01:59:57,679 --> 01:59:59,280
>> So take that times five

2390
01:59:59,280 --> 02:00:01,360
>> or take that times uh 12.

2391
02:00:01,360 --> 02:00:03,360
>> No, you have to look at the calculation.

2392
02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:05,679
The 381

2393
02:00:05,679 --> 02:00:08,159
consists of

2394
02:00:08,159 --> 02:00:11,599
the 1387

2395
02:00:11,599 --> 02:00:14,480
per month times 12. Yeah, I think Dwayne

2396
02:00:14,480 --> 02:00:16,560
was just putting a rough rough estimate

2397
02:00:16,560 --> 02:00:19,440
of what it's going to cost us to employ

2398
02:00:19,440 --> 02:00:21,760
a full-time person

2399
02:00:21,760 --> 02:00:24,239
>> with an estimate of because my

2400
02:00:24,239 --> 02:00:25,679
understanding from Jody it's about

2401
02:00:25,679 --> 02:00:28,800
$20,000 per person for

2402
02:00:28,800 --> 02:00:29,920
>> Does that sound right? I

2403
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:30,880
>> say 50%.

2404
02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:33,599
>> That's what she told us is 20,000 on top

2405
02:00:33,599 --> 02:00:35,760
of your salary.

2406
02:00:35,760 --> 02:00:41,270
>> So you're looking at 47,000

2407
02:00:41,280 --> 02:00:44,880
» times 12. What did you get?

2408
02:00:44,880 --> 02:00:45,920
>> 528.

2409
02:00:45,920 --> 02:00:50,960
>> Yeah. So then you've got to add in

2410
02:00:50,960 --> 02:00:52,719
roughly

2411
02:00:52,719 --> 02:00:57,040
um utilities are going to be 3,000

2412
02:00:57,040 --> 02:01:00,320
for just the city

2413
02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:05,350
per month.

2414
02:01:05,360 --> 02:01:10,709
We're in in Yeah.

2415
02:01:10,719 --> 02:01:11,599
So

2416
02:01:11,599 --> 02:01:12,480
>> the question I guess

2417
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:15,440
>> is that 564 for salaries joint. Is that

2418
02:01:15,440 --> 02:01:18,159
what you were saying?

2419
02:01:18,159 --> 02:01:20,800
>> The the question is and this is what

2420
02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:25,669
I've I've asked um

2421
02:01:25,679 --> 02:01:28,159
Scott Lloyd to help me with is put it in

2422
02:01:28,159 --> 02:01:29,599
a graph that makes a little bit more

2423
02:01:29,599 --> 02:01:32,960
sense for you and me. Um the question I

2424
02:01:32,960 --> 02:01:35,840
have is is we're spending

2425
02:01:35,840 --> 02:01:39,199
$200,000. Let's just say $200,000 right

2426
02:01:39,199 --> 02:01:43,189
now. The way it operates,

2427
02:01:43,199 --> 02:01:51,199
if we house them at 30 to 40 inmates,

2428
02:01:51,199 --> 02:01:52,960
are we going to be less than the

2429
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:54,480
200,000?

2430
02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:57,199
And is it going to be worth that?

2431
02:01:57,199 --> 02:01:59,760
Because we're already spending 200,000.

2432
02:01:59,760 --> 02:02:00,560
Correct. Right.

2433
02:02:00,560 --> 02:02:03,840
>> Correct. So, out of those numbers that

2434
02:02:03,840 --> 02:02:09,280
you have already poked in the end results, is that going to be

2435
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:11,760
better or worse than the $200,000 that

2436
02:02:11,760 --> 02:02:15,270
we're already spending?

2437
02:02:15,280 --> 02:02:18,320
Well, I guess when I I did it this

2438
02:02:18,320 --> 02:02:20,800
weekend and when I added the staff at 12

2439
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:22,880
full-time staff and I added the

2440
02:02:22,880 --> 02:02:26,800
benefits, I mean, at 30 at 30 inmates,

2441
02:02:26,800 --> 02:02:28,719
we were still losing almost half a

2442
02:02:28,719 --> 02:02:32,320
million a year at $60,

2443
02:02:32,320 --> 02:02:34,719
>> which if your calculations is right,

2444
02:02:34,719 --> 02:02:36,639
then that's worse.

2445
02:02:36,639 --> 02:02:38,080
>> That's worse than what we're doing right

2446
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:38,480
now.

2447
02:02:38,480 --> 02:02:40,320
>> Correct. Correct. And that's what made

2448
02:02:40,320 --> 02:02:41,840
me concerned.

2449
02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:46,639
>> And and Carla I've

2450
02:02:46,639 --> 02:02:49,520
stowed over this for the last well since

2451
02:02:49,520 --> 02:02:51,040
they come up. Just trying to put the

2452
02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:53,280
numbers together and make sure it's the

2453
02:02:53,280 --> 02:02:57,350
right choice.

2454
02:02:57,360 --> 02:03:01,199
I think when when I was elected and I

2455
02:03:01,199 --> 02:03:04,639
think talking to most they citizens what

2456
02:03:04,639 --> 02:03:07,040
the goal was is to open back up the

2457
02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:09,440
jail. But I don't understand why

2458
02:03:09,440 --> 02:03:10,560
>> I

2459
02:03:10,560 --> 02:03:14,320
>> because Carla, it's going back to the

2460
02:03:14,320 --> 02:03:17,280
fact that I believe and this is just my

2461
02:03:17,280 --> 02:03:21,430
opinion that

2462
02:03:21,440 --> 02:03:23,599
for some reason people think that the

2463
02:03:23,599 --> 02:03:25,760
jail was always making money and it

2464
02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:27,520
never has. I've tried to explain that

2465
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:30,320
for for several years. We've

2466
02:03:30,320 --> 02:03:31,760
>> we've always

2467
02:03:31,760 --> 02:03:33,119
>> subsidized it, right?

2468
02:03:33,119 --> 02:03:34,639
>> I understand that. I looked at the

2469
02:03:34,639 --> 02:03:36,719
budgets. I went back and looked at the

2470
02:03:36,719 --> 02:03:39,520
budgets for 22 and 23 and 21.

2471
02:03:39,520 --> 02:03:42,719
>> As as an elected official, I feel it was

2472
02:03:42,719 --> 02:03:46,159
my duty. We have an open facility over

2473
02:03:46,159 --> 02:03:47,760
there

2474
02:03:47,760 --> 02:03:50,400
to at least look into this and try to

2475
02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:52,400
figure out

2476
02:03:52,400 --> 02:03:54,320
if it's doable, if it's going to be a

2477
02:03:54,320 --> 02:03:55,840
better option than what we're doing

2478
02:03:55,840 --> 02:03:56,719
right now.

2479
02:03:56,719 --> 02:03:58,400
>> I appreciate you doing that.

2480
02:03:58,400 --> 02:04:00,480
>> As long as you tell me that we're going

2481
02:04:00,480 --> 02:04:02,239
to look at the financial side of it. I

2482
02:04:02,239 --> 02:04:04,719
keep hearing I want to open the jail. I

2483
02:04:04,719 --> 02:04:06,400
think we should open the jail. And I'm

2484
02:04:06,400 --> 02:04:09,440
like, do we open up a jail at the cost

2485
02:04:09,440 --> 02:04:11,520
to Ottawa County when at the cost of

2486
02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:12,159
Ottawa County?

2487
02:04:12,159 --> 02:04:13,119
>> Absolutely not.

2488
02:04:13,119 --> 02:04:14,960
That would be crazy to

2489
02:04:14,960 --> 02:04:16,639
do.

2490
02:04:16,639 --> 02:04:19,119
>> I took this home last night or over the

2491
02:04:19,119 --> 02:04:20,800
weekend and when I'm calculating, I'm

2492
02:04:20,800 --> 02:04:23,199
like, it doesn't make sense. And even at

2493
02:04:23,199 --> 02:04:26,629
$60,

2494
02:04:26,639 --> 02:04:30,480
» right? And and I could have

2495
02:04:30,480 --> 02:04:33,760
>> But I again, I started with your calcul.

2496
02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:36,080
I is not trying to overrule what you

2497
02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:36,639
presented,

2498
02:04:36,639 --> 02:04:38,159
>> right?

2499
02:04:38,159 --> 02:04:39,679
And I don't, like I said, I don't mean

2500
02:04:39,679 --> 02:04:42,239
to come across as a butt or and ask

2501
02:04:42,239 --> 02:04:47,280
sometimes, but um it's it's this is I'm

2502
02:04:47,280 --> 02:04:49,040
putting a lot of time and energy into

2503
02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:51,599
this and and trying to figure out if

2504
02:04:51,599 --> 02:04:54,400
it's the best. And I appreciate

2505
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:57,679
your input. I do. I and I'm all

2506
02:04:57,679 --> 02:05:01,199
seriousness, but

2507
02:05:01,199 --> 02:05:03,280
in the end game, I think it's just the

2508
02:05:03,280 --> 02:05:05,360
better. We need to do the best thing for

2509
02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:07,440
the citizens. We need the best thing for

2510
02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:11,280
our county or our or jail next door. Um,

2511
02:05:11,280 --> 02:05:13,760
and if that means leaving the way it is,

2512
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:19,830
then by all means, but

2513
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:22,159
we we could have we could have been or I

2514
02:05:22,159 --> 02:05:25,760
could have done as other facilities have

2515
02:05:25,760 --> 02:05:27,840
done in the last two years that we've

2516
02:05:27,840 --> 02:05:29,520
been

2517
02:05:29,520 --> 02:05:32,320
empty or not had inmates in. I could

2518
02:05:32,320 --> 02:05:36,080
have employed all 12 of them and kept

2519
02:05:36,080 --> 02:05:38,159
them on,

2520
02:05:38,159 --> 02:05:41,119
but I didn't feel that that was right.

2521
02:05:41,119 --> 02:05:41,520
And

2522
02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:42,400
>> I'm glad you didn't.

2523
02:05:42,400 --> 02:05:45,280
>> One of one of the things but here's one

2524
02:05:45,280 --> 02:05:46,480
of the things I'm going to let you know,

2525
02:05:46,480 --> 02:05:47,920
and I think I stressed it the other day

2526
02:05:47,920 --> 02:05:50,400
when I was in here on the special

2527
02:05:50,400 --> 02:05:52,239
meeting.

2528
02:05:52,239 --> 02:05:54,480
I'm not going to hire a bunch of people

2529
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:56,400
and do what we did the last time and

2530
02:05:56,400 --> 02:06:00,639
fire them. That's just not

2531
02:06:00,639 --> 02:06:02,560
to me. That's just wrong.

2532
02:06:02,560 --> 02:06:04,480
>> Okay. So, when I looked though, I looked

2533
02:06:04,480 --> 02:06:06,560
at the prior years and it wasn't like

2534
02:06:06,560 --> 02:06:09,280
you started it one year and you fired

2535
02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:10,719
him the next year. I mean, you had the

2536
02:06:10,719 --> 02:06:12,880
jail going for many years.

2537
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:13,440
>> Yeah.

2538
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:15,119
>> So, it wasn't like,

2539
02:06:15,119 --> 02:06:18,719
>> but but the day that we decided to no no

2540
02:06:18,719 --> 02:06:24,719
longer keep them in house is we let

2541
02:06:24,719 --> 02:06:27,440
five, I do believe, go that day.

2542
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:29,440
>> And and so that's hard.

2543
02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:32,400
>> Absolutely. But the other side of it is

2544
02:06:32,400 --> 02:06:35,440
if you were losing money in the jail. So

2545
02:06:35,440 --> 02:06:37,432
let me can you clarify something for me?

2546
02:06:37,432 --> 02:06:38,320
[clears throat] When I looked at those

2547
02:06:38,320 --> 02:06:41,119
old budgets and I saw that you had uh

2548
02:06:41,119 --> 02:06:44,079
revenues of like $800,000 were those all

2549
02:06:44,079 --> 02:06:45,520
our prisoners

2550
02:06:45,520 --> 02:06:49,040
>> or did we were back in 22? Were you here

2551
02:06:49,040 --> 02:06:50,639
at 22?

2552
02:06:50,639 --> 02:06:51,199
>> Yes.

2553
02:06:51,199 --> 02:06:54,639
>> Okay. So back in 22 did we house other

2554
02:06:54,639 --> 02:06:55,599
people's prisoners?

2555
02:06:55,599 --> 02:06:56,800
>> Yes.

2556
02:06:56,800 --> 02:07:01,040
>> So we decided in 23 we had a of 23, but

2557
02:07:01,040 --> 02:07:03,599
in 23 we must have decided to send them

2558
02:07:03,599 --> 02:07:04,560
out.

2559
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:07,440
>> So at that point in time, you looked at

2560
02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:11,119
uh you were transferring $250,000 in

2561
02:07:11,119 --> 02:07:12,320
>> to cover your

2562
02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:15,920
>> we were making 800

2563
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:16,079
8

2564
02:07:16,079 --> 02:07:17,599
>> to9 to 900.

2565
02:07:17,599 --> 02:07:18,159
>> Yeah.

2566
02:07:18,159 --> 02:07:18,560
>> So

2567
02:07:18,560 --> 02:07:20,719
>> but you but well in that revenue one

2568
02:07:20,719 --> 02:07:22,960
number you still hadn't had the transfer

2569
02:07:22,960 --> 02:07:24,800
in to break even

2570
02:07:24,800 --> 02:07:27,199
>> or to cover expenses.

2571
02:07:27,199 --> 02:07:29,920
>> So I was I was strictly the expense side

2572
02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:31,840
that I presented there those were our

2573
02:07:31,840 --> 02:07:34,560
expenses. So you had the 250 going in as

2574
02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:36,880
a revenue to off to to cover those

2575
02:07:36,880 --> 02:07:39,520
>> to cover it. So when I look at 23,

2576
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:41,360
irrespective of the people, I know that

2577
02:07:41,360 --> 02:07:42,960
sounds really harsh, but irrespective of

2578
02:07:42,960 --> 02:07:45,119
the people, it was financially the right

2579
02:07:45,119 --> 02:07:46,159
thing to do in 23.

2580
02:07:46,159 --> 02:07:48,239
>> I would not agree. I would not disagree

2581
02:07:48,239 --> 02:07:51,599
with you one bit. Um, and we did what

2582
02:07:51,599 --> 02:07:53,440
was what we thought was the best choice

2583
02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:56,159
for the county and

2584
02:07:56,159 --> 02:07:57,760
>> not to waste any more money than we had

2585
02:07:57,760 --> 02:08:01,520
to. I mean, we still have to have um

2586
02:08:01,520 --> 02:08:04,320
>> for transport purposes and and whatnot.

2587
02:08:04,320 --> 02:08:07,679
We still have to have at least three um

2588
02:08:07,679 --> 02:08:09,679
cos,

2589
02:08:09,679 --> 02:08:13,760
but I've also made it to where them CEOs

2590
02:08:13,760 --> 02:08:16,320
can do other things other than just sit

2591
02:08:16,320 --> 02:08:18,800
on their butt because nobody in house.

2592
02:08:18,800 --> 02:08:20,079
What are you going to do with them? You

2593
02:08:20,079 --> 02:08:23,599
got to do something. It's a waste of in

2594
02:08:23,599 --> 02:08:25,440
my eyes. I mean, we have to have them

2595
02:08:25,440 --> 02:08:27,280
period. It's kind of like

2596
02:08:27,280 --> 02:08:28,239
>> you have to have them available.

2597
02:08:28,239 --> 02:08:29,679
>> You have to have that building. We have

2598
02:08:29,679 --> 02:08:31,199
to have them available. Something comes

2599
02:08:31,199 --> 02:08:34,239
up, we have to have them to help.

2600
02:08:34,239 --> 02:08:37,040
Um but in my eyes they it's better to

2601
02:08:37,040 --> 02:08:39,760
have them actively doing something even

2602
02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:41,520
if it's not.

2603
02:08:41,520 --> 02:08:43,040
>> And the way that it's molded right now

2604
02:08:43,040 --> 02:08:43,760
it works.

2605
02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:45,360
>> Yeah. And I appreciate that. I think

2606
02:08:45,360 --> 02:08:48,159
that's great. And so the 200,000 does

2607
02:08:48,159 --> 02:08:50,480
come into play a little bit to build

2608
02:08:50,480 --> 02:08:51,599
into my number.

2609
02:08:51,599 --> 02:08:52,320
>> Right.

2610
02:08:52,320 --> 02:08:56,239
>> So um but again when when even in your

2611
02:08:56,239 --> 02:09:00,639
analysis you had 30 people every day of

2612
02:09:00,639 --> 02:09:01,760
the year

2613
02:09:01,760 --> 02:09:03,840
>> to make that

2614
02:09:03,840 --> 02:09:05,679
work. But that again, that was only at

2615
02:09:05,679 --> 02:09:07,520
30. You said actually we should have 12

2616
02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:09,440
staff at 30. So

2617
02:09:09,440 --> 02:09:11,119
>> So it would be um

2618
02:09:11,119 --> 02:09:12,800
>> and that's stretching it thin. I'm not

2619
02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:13,920
going to lie to you. That's stretching

2620
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:16,320
it thin. It puts you

2621
02:09:16,320 --> 02:09:20,400
um it's unsafe in our facility to have

2622
02:09:20,400 --> 02:09:24,000
the 12. The 12 was

2623
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:26,320
my thought with the 12 is is you have to

2624
02:09:26,320 --> 02:09:31,440
have that in order to um

2625
02:09:31,440 --> 02:09:34,079
notoriously jails are hard to keep

2626
02:09:34,079 --> 02:09:37,440
people that want to work or want to come

2627
02:09:37,440 --> 02:09:39,760
in and work their shift

2628
02:09:39,760 --> 02:09:41,599
>> because it's 24 hours a day.

2629
02:09:41,599 --> 02:09:44,400
>> It's not 20 it's I mean it's 24 but it's

2630
02:09:44,400 --> 02:09:47,119
12hour shifts and and you're looking at

2631
02:09:47,119 --> 02:09:49,840
a wall. you're babysitting adult males

2632
02:09:49,840 --> 02:09:52,079
and it's just

2633
02:09:52,079 --> 02:09:55,119
boring boring boring work. A lot of

2634
02:09:55,119 --> 02:09:57,760
times it you don't do anything but stare

2635
02:09:57,760 --> 02:10:00,000
at the wall basically

2636
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:02,800
uh for 12 hours. So there's times when

2637
02:10:02,800 --> 02:10:06,000
people start

2638
02:10:06,000 --> 02:10:09,440
calling in sick or not coming in or go

2639
02:10:09,440 --> 02:10:12,400
elsewhere or so

2640
02:10:12,400 --> 02:10:14,719
we need we need that leeway. We need

2641
02:10:14,719 --> 02:10:18,800
that um for days and hours that are

2642
02:10:18,800 --> 02:10:21,199
busier with inmates so we can build them

2643
02:10:21,199 --> 02:10:23,280
in.

2644
02:10:23,280 --> 02:10:26,310
>> Well,

2645
02:10:26,320 --> 02:10:31,119
I take into consideration that 200,000

2646
02:10:31,119 --> 02:10:33,440
it wouldn't be $80 a day, but my guess

2647
02:10:33,440 --> 02:10:36,480
it's still going to be about $70 a day.

2648
02:10:36,480 --> 02:10:37,920
Well, I think when you put them figures

2649
02:10:37,920 --> 02:10:43,440
together, just a rough idea that we're still going to be

2650
02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:45,760
I mean, we're that we're going to be

2651
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:47,520
over.

2652
02:10:47,520 --> 02:10:51,679
The question is, are we going to be

2653
02:10:51,679 --> 02:10:53,679
worse or better off than the 200 that

2654
02:10:53,679 --> 02:10:55,280
we're already spending is my question.

2655
02:10:55,280 --> 02:10:56,800
>> I understand that's a sunk cost. So, I

2656
02:10:56,800 --> 02:10:59,199
have to take that out of my calculation.

2657
02:10:59,199 --> 02:11:03,440
>> So, even so, when I do that, then um

2658
02:11:03,440 --> 02:11:04,880
>> but I still think it's going to cost

2659
02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:06,079
about

2660
02:11:06,079 --> 02:11:09,599
$7 a day to break even.

2661
02:11:09,599 --> 02:11:12,800
>> I wouldn't argue with you. Um I talked

2662
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:15,440
to the prior sheriff and it took him two

2663
02:11:15,440 --> 02:11:18,320
and a half years two and a half years to

2664
02:11:18,320 --> 02:11:20,000
actually break even with that jail over

2665
02:11:20,000 --> 02:11:23,920
there when cuz when he come in there

2666
02:11:23,920 --> 02:11:27,520
were literally three inmates in house

2667
02:11:27,520 --> 02:11:31,520
and we were fully staffed at the time.

2668
02:11:31,520 --> 02:11:34,320
So it took him quite a while. So he had

2669
02:11:34,320 --> 02:11:36,880
so at that point he had three inmates.

2670
02:11:36,880 --> 02:11:38,159
So he said, "Okay, we're going to open

2671
02:11:38,159 --> 02:11:41,360
it up to other counties to to justify

2672
02:11:41,360 --> 02:11:44,320
the cost." And that's how that happened.

2673
02:11:44,320 --> 02:11:45,760
>> Well, we've always housed for other

2674
02:11:45,760 --> 02:11:48,800
counties. We've always um they go

2675
02:11:48,800 --> 02:11:51,840
through it. It It's a yo-yo. It goes up

2676
02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:53,840
and down, up and down, up and down, up

2677
02:11:53,840 --> 02:11:56,480
and down. Um the fact that inmates come

2678
02:11:56,480 --> 02:12:00,320
and go, um jails jails fill up.

2679
02:12:00,320 --> 02:12:01,840
>> Do you think that other counties would

2680
02:12:01,840 --> 02:12:03,679
be willing to

2681
02:12:03,679 --> 02:12:05,760
county. If we get them in initially,

2682
02:12:05,760 --> 02:12:08,880
negotiate $55 to $60

2683
02:12:08,880 --> 02:12:11,920
in why not I mean we talked about

2684
02:12:11,920 --> 02:12:14,960
everybody filling up, you know, more

2685
02:12:14,960 --> 02:12:19,760
space. Johnson County goes to um uh they

2686
02:12:19,760 --> 02:12:23,520
go so so we had housing with Johnson

2687
02:12:23,520 --> 02:12:26,639
County, we had housing with um

2688
02:12:26,639 --> 02:12:30,239
>> we never had one dot but um Sedway Sling

2689
02:12:30,239 --> 02:12:32,880
County, KDOC

2690
02:12:32,880 --> 02:12:36,639
um and then whoever else trickled in but

2691
02:12:36,639 --> 02:12:38,800
I want to I want to refresh your memory

2692
02:12:38,800 --> 02:12:42,159
here. Okay. um the the meetings that

2693
02:12:42,159 --> 02:12:44,159
we've been going to with Brenda and

2694
02:12:44,159 --> 02:12:46,800
everybody, I want you to remember what

2695
02:12:46,800 --> 02:12:48,639
position a lot of these jails are in

2696
02:12:48,639 --> 02:12:50,239
already

2697
02:12:50,239 --> 02:12:53,679
and their beds are going to fill up.

2698
02:12:53,679 --> 02:12:56,800
Sure. But is it going to be to the point

2699
02:12:56,800 --> 02:12:59,119
where they'll send us to send them to

2700
02:12:59,119 --> 02:13:00,880
us?

2701
02:13:00,880 --> 02:13:04,560
I don't think you're and I talked to

2702
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:06,079
Keith a little bit about this too. I

2703
02:13:06,079 --> 02:13:07,040
don't think you're ever going to get

2704
02:13:07,040 --> 02:13:10,719
much more over $55 a day that they're

2705
02:13:10,719 --> 02:13:15,109
going to bring them to you.

2706
02:13:15,119 --> 02:13:15,840
» Yeah. I

2707
02:13:15,840 --> 02:13:19,840
>> if wind Johnson County is taking over uh

2708
02:13:19,840 --> 02:13:22,079
the state line to house theirs because

2709
02:13:22,079 --> 02:13:24,159
it was closer than bringing them clear

2710
02:13:24,159 --> 02:13:26,000
down to us.

2711
02:13:26,000 --> 02:13:28,000
>> I just thought about not pulling back

2712
02:13:28,000 --> 02:13:30,239
our prisoners from Mitchell County.

2713
02:13:30,239 --> 02:13:32,400
We're paying $45 up there. We can rent

2714
02:13:32,400 --> 02:13:34,880
that bid out for 55 while we're $10 a

2715
02:13:34,880 --> 02:13:39,910
night ahead.

2716
02:13:39,920 --> 02:13:41,760
» Well, and you also got to take into

2717
02:13:41,760 --> 02:13:43,599
consideration the way that our jail is

2718
02:13:43,599 --> 02:13:45,040
set up.

2719
02:13:45,040 --> 02:13:46,800
>> Um

2720
02:13:46,800 --> 02:13:49,760
there is no real separation between the

2721
02:13:49,760 --> 02:13:51,760
males and the females. Therefore, we

2722
02:13:51,760 --> 02:13:57,760
have always sent our females out and probably

2723
02:13:57,760 --> 02:14:00,239
will have to continue with that because

2724
02:14:00,239 --> 02:14:02,560
if you bring in the way our jail set up,

2725
02:14:02,560 --> 02:14:05,440
we if we house females and males in our

2726
02:14:05,440 --> 02:14:09,040
jail, we will have a mess. I can almost

2727
02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:12,400
promise you because

2728
02:14:12,400 --> 02:14:17,040
there's a pod, but that's for trustees

2729
02:14:17,040 --> 02:14:19,440
and that's right next door to BP pod,

2730
02:14:19,440 --> 02:14:21,280
which

2731
02:14:21,280 --> 02:14:22,639
Inmates are inmates. They're going to

2732
02:14:22,639 --> 02:14:24,960
pass messages. They're going to see and

2733
02:14:24,960 --> 02:14:28,159
do stuff that you and I would be how in

2734
02:14:28,159 --> 02:14:30,639
the world they do it.

2735
02:14:30,639 --> 02:14:32,719
There's just no separation that we can

2736
02:14:32,719 --> 02:14:35,119
keep with them.

2737
02:14:35,119 --> 02:14:36,560
And I don't mean anything by this, but

2738
02:14:36,560 --> 02:14:39,119
females are a pain in the butt to house.

2739
02:14:39,119 --> 02:14:40,560
Period.

2740
02:14:40,560 --> 02:14:43,119
you're talking um and and and here's the

2741
02:14:43,119 --> 02:14:47,189
other thing that I guess

2742
02:14:47,199 --> 02:14:49,440
way back when I worked for the juvenile

2743
02:14:49,440 --> 02:14:52,880
facility, they had figured it into all

2744
02:14:52,880 --> 02:14:55,119
their calculations and [snorts] to house

2745
02:14:55,119 --> 02:14:57,760
an inmate or to house

2746
02:14:57,760 --> 02:15:01,119
prisoner, it was over $100 a day

2747
02:15:01,119 --> 02:15:02,880
roughly.

2748
02:15:02,880 --> 02:15:06,480
>> Anybody anybody

2749
02:15:06,480 --> 02:15:09,760
>> that was several years back I I hate to

2750
02:15:09,760 --> 02:15:13,440
think what it actually would cost. Now,

2751
02:15:13,440 --> 02:15:16,560
when you put every number together,

2752
02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:20,159
I said jails were never intended to make

2753
02:15:20,159 --> 02:15:23,280
money. I don't see how that's would be

2754
02:15:23,280 --> 02:15:27,910
ever possible.

2755
02:15:27,920 --> 02:15:30,239
» We would payroll.

2756
02:15:30,239 --> 02:15:31,119
>> Did you get

2757
02:15:31,119 --> 02:15:33,840
>> I did and that's part of my spill when I

2758
02:15:33,840 --> 02:15:37,119
brought him in to to talk to them.

2759
02:15:37,119 --> 02:15:40,560
One kid already was talked about.

2760
02:15:40,560 --> 02:15:42,639
>> If selected, he would move from

2761
02:15:42,639 --> 02:15:44,800
Ellsworth County.

2762
02:15:44,800 --> 02:15:47,280
>> What we're talking about is make my move

2763
02:15:47,280 --> 02:15:51,280
has a great incentive now 10,000 and

2764
02:15:51,280 --> 02:15:53,679
free subscription to the messenger.

2765
02:15:53,679 --> 02:15:55,840
>> Got a lot of good stuff to it.

2766
02:15:55,840 --> 02:15:58,000
>> We use it for one of our employees

2767
02:15:58,000 --> 02:15:59,440
already.

2768
02:15:59,440 --> 02:16:01,520
>> I was going to but then didn't work out

2769
02:16:01,520 --> 02:16:04,239
from the guy that I had. But anyway,

2770
02:16:04,239 --> 02:16:05,679
>> I wanted you to know that that could be

2771
02:16:05,679 --> 02:16:09,669
a good recruitment tool.

2772
02:16:09,679 --> 02:16:11,360
» I appreciate you coming up for us.

2773
02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:15,520
>> I I don't by any means want to cost

2774
02:16:15,520 --> 02:16:17,440
us any more money than we already are,

2775
02:16:17,440 --> 02:16:20,000
but I think that if we don't really just

2776
02:16:20,000 --> 02:16:23,199
look into it just because

2777
02:16:23,199 --> 02:16:25,119
available, they're going to go somewhere

2778
02:16:25,119 --> 02:16:27,199
else.

2779
02:16:27,199 --> 02:16:29,599
And and I'm waiting for a reply after

2780
02:16:29,599 --> 02:16:32,719
negotiations with the

2781
02:16:32,719 --> 02:16:35,679
It was their suggestion. And

2782
02:16:35,679 --> 02:16:36,719
>> you mean?

2783
02:16:36,719 --> 02:16:38,319
>> Yeah. For the 55.

2784
02:16:38,319 --> 02:16:42,399
>> Well, so um so if I take this and I

2785
02:16:42,399 --> 02:16:46,559
subtract out, um at $60 a day and I

2786
02:16:46,559 --> 02:16:49,040
subtract out the $200,000

2787
02:16:49,040 --> 02:16:51,840
that our cost already is, you still end

2788
02:16:51,840 --> 02:16:55,679
up with like over $200,000 loss. So if

2789
02:16:55,679 --> 02:16:58,319
you divide that by 365, so that means at

2790
02:16:58,319 --> 02:17:05,110
least $61.

2791
02:17:05,120 --> 02:17:07,519
I'll be anxious to see. Is Scott gonna

2792
02:17:07,519 --> 02:17:08,960
just send it to you or will he send it

2793
02:17:08,960 --> 02:17:09,920
to all of us?

2794
02:17:09,920 --> 02:17:11,679
>> He just was sending it to me, but I'll

2795
02:17:11,679 --> 02:17:12,880
forward it on to you guys.

2796
02:17:12,880 --> 02:17:15,200
>> Okay. Because I'd like to look at it.

2797
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:18,000
So, at this point in time,

2798
02:17:18,000 --> 02:17:19,840
>> I'm just I'm just going forward with

2799
02:17:19,840 --> 02:17:24,479
what I can, Carla, just until I know for

2800
02:17:24,479 --> 02:17:27,359
sure which direction to go because our

2801
02:17:27,359 --> 02:17:29,439
jail still needs

2802
02:17:29,439 --> 02:17:30,719
updating.

2803
02:17:30,719 --> 02:17:31,760
>> That makes sense.

2804
02:17:31,760 --> 02:17:35,359
>> Um, the nightlights have been flickering

2805
02:17:35,359 --> 02:17:38,960
for a couple years now, probably. Um, so

2806
02:17:38,960 --> 02:17:40,319
there's some of the stuff that needed to

2807
02:17:40,319 --> 02:17:42,399
be done, but

2808
02:17:42,399 --> 02:17:44,639
>> Well, I'm all for that and I'm all for

2809
02:17:44,639 --> 02:17:46,800
being ready. But I I want to look at the

2810
02:17:46,800 --> 02:17:49,359
numbers and say we just need to have our

2811
02:17:49,359 --> 02:17:52,319
eyes open when we go in about if if

2812
02:17:52,319 --> 02:17:53,679
we're going to operate at a loss, we

2813
02:17:53,679 --> 02:17:54,479
need to be honest.

2814
02:17:54,479 --> 02:17:58,160
>> Oh, I am. I I like I said, I by no means

2815
02:17:58,160 --> 02:18:00,559
don't want to

2816
02:18:00,559 --> 02:18:02,479
uh cost us any more than what we already

2817
02:18:02,479 --> 02:18:04,960
are spending

2818
02:18:04,960 --> 02:18:08,319
for operate our our facility and house

2819
02:18:08,319 --> 02:18:10,160
our inmates elsewhere.

2820
02:18:10,160 --> 02:18:14,000
>> Yeah. Well, I appreciate you uh getting

2821
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:17,040
that 200,000 number so I can kind of

2822
02:18:17,040 --> 02:18:21,840
digest that. And um

2823
02:18:21,840 --> 02:18:25,359
>> Carl, you have a question or comment.

2824
02:18:25,359 --> 02:18:27,359
>> It's obviously hypothetical, but I think

2825
02:18:27,359 --> 02:18:30,559
something you need to keep in mind is if

2826
02:18:30,559 --> 02:18:33,519
like everybody thinks it's

2827
02:18:33,519 --> 02:18:36,160
already

2828
02:18:36,160 --> 02:18:38,479
that 200,000 is going to increase.

2829
02:18:38,479 --> 02:18:39,599
>> Oh yeah.

2830
02:18:39,599 --> 02:18:43,280
>> Because we will have more inmates.

2831
02:18:43,280 --> 02:18:44,559
I don't know how you quantify that. It's

2832
02:18:44,559 --> 02:18:46,080
just like the employees bringing

2833
02:18:46,080 --> 02:18:47,439
employees in.

2834
02:18:47,439 --> 02:18:48,800
>> Yes, they're going to be spending money

2835
02:18:48,800 --> 02:18:50,639
in town. They're going to be, you know,

2836
02:18:50,639 --> 02:18:52,080
>> Mitch County has already talked about

2837
02:18:52,080 --> 02:18:54,319
increasing their

2838
02:18:54,319 --> 02:18:55,040
>> I'm sure.

2839
02:18:55,040 --> 02:18:56,880
>> I have not. We have not had an increase

2840
02:18:56,880 --> 02:19:01,359
since we started housing with them and I know the sheriff mentioned it a

2841
02:19:01,359 --> 02:19:04,160
few months back that he was looking to

2842
02:19:04,160 --> 02:19:06,880
possibly increase the cost of what we're

2843
02:19:06,880 --> 02:19:09,120
paying. surprised. I can't believe they

2844
02:19:09,120 --> 02:19:12,080
could break even,

2845
02:19:12,080 --> 02:19:14,639
>> but I guess I I I when I worked on them

2846
02:19:14,639 --> 02:19:18,240
over the weekend, I was like I all I

2847
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:19,359
could see is that we were going to

2848
02:19:19,359 --> 02:19:22,800
operate at a huge loss and I was like,

2849
02:19:22,800 --> 02:19:25,040
why would we take on a project for

2850
02:19:25,040 --> 02:19:27,840
another county at the expense of our

2851
02:19:27,840 --> 02:19:28,719
constituents?

2852
02:19:28,719 --> 02:19:30,880
>> We wouldn't I wouldn't never do that.

2853
02:19:30,880 --> 02:19:33,439
Wouldn't cost us more than what we're

2854
02:19:33,439 --> 02:19:35,280
already

2855
02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:37,120
paying to to

2856
02:19:37,120 --> 02:19:38,000
operational.

2857
02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:40,000
>> Well, the short time I've known Russ on

2858
02:19:40,000 --> 02:19:42,000
this make [clears throat] numerous

2859
02:19:42,000 --> 02:19:43,679
comments, you know, he was trying to

2860
02:19:43,679 --> 02:19:45,920
save taxpayers money in any way that he

2861
02:19:45,920 --> 02:19:48,160
could, leasing the vehicles and saving

2862
02:19:48,160 --> 02:19:50,479
money, that type of thing. And even

2863
02:19:50,479 --> 02:19:53,920
before, as I was a taxpayer,

2864
02:19:53,920 --> 02:19:56,160
not knowing what I know now about jail

2865
02:19:56,160 --> 02:19:57,840
operations or anything else, we had

2866
02:19:57,840 --> 02:19:59,439
brick building was falling down around

2867
02:19:59,439 --> 02:20:01,359
us up here on the corner. We had to do

2868
02:20:01,359 --> 02:20:02,319
something.

2869
02:20:02,319 --> 02:20:05,520
>> I looked upon that new jail as a vote of

2870
02:20:05,520 --> 02:20:08,080
confidence. point, the sheriff we had at

2871
02:20:08,080 --> 02:20:10,000
the time, you know, knowing that he was

2872
02:20:10,000 --> 02:20:11,680
going to run it right. It was going to

2873
02:20:11,680 --> 02:20:13,680
be for code. It was going to protect our

2874
02:20:13,680 --> 02:20:16,160
people, going to protect our prisoners,

2875
02:20:16,160 --> 02:20:17,760
that it would be done right. That's

2876
02:20:17,760 --> 02:20:21,120
something we had to have. We knew, but

2877
02:20:21,120 --> 02:20:23,840
>> well, there's discussion

2878
02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:30,640
KDOC is filling up. They're just it's a trickle from all the the regular

2879
02:20:30,640 --> 02:20:33,439
jails to to KDOC.

2880
02:20:33,439 --> 02:20:35,359
So I mean there's always that

2881
02:20:35,359 --> 02:20:39,359
possibility that if we take you know

2882
02:20:39,359 --> 02:20:42,960
what if we take 12 from or or let's just

2883
02:20:42,960 --> 02:20:46,720
say 30 from Sedwick and then we use the

2884
02:20:46,720 --> 02:20:49,359
other 20 beds for KDOC because they're

2885
02:20:49,359 --> 02:20:54,960
filling up KD KDOC pays better than your

2886
02:20:54,960 --> 02:20:56,640
local

2887
02:20:56,640 --> 02:20:59,910
>> to house their ins

2888
02:20:59,920 --> 02:21:01,920
have to be on your shoulders. You got a

2889
02:21:01,920 --> 02:21:03,040
big job ahead of you.

2890
02:21:03,040 --> 02:21:05,600
>> Well, I just want to see the numbers

2891
02:21:05,600 --> 02:21:07,200
before we open it.

2892
02:21:07,200 --> 02:21:08,800
>> That's all I want to do. I want to see

2893
02:21:08,800 --> 02:21:11,040
how this isn't going to be a huge

2894
02:21:11,040 --> 02:21:13,520
expense to our taxpayers.

2895
02:21:13,520 --> 02:21:14,479
>> Well, housing.

2896
02:21:14,479 --> 02:21:17,840
>> The the fear my biggest fear is is we

2897
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:21,120
get 12. Are we going to get to that 30

2898
02:21:21,120 --> 02:21:22,640
number? are we going to get? And that's

2899
02:21:22,640 --> 02:21:25,520
the reason I was trying because when she

2900
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:29,200
sent me that contract, I was I'm like

2901
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:30,880
just was up there talking to them guys

2902
02:21:30,880 --> 02:21:35,760
and said we were 55 to 60 what I wanted.

2903
02:21:35,760 --> 02:21:38,240
So she asked, "Well, will that work?"

2904
02:21:38,240 --> 02:21:41,280
I'm like, "No, it's not going to work.

2905
02:21:41,280 --> 02:21:44,080
We can't do 45." Well, that's what we

2906
02:21:44,080 --> 02:21:45,920
pay everybody else. That's what we're

2907
02:21:45,920 --> 02:21:47,920
going to continue to pay.

2908
02:21:47,920 --> 02:21:49,680
>> Well, then go elsewhere. That's really

2909
02:21:49,680 --> 02:21:51,840
what we have to do. I mean, we can't put

2910
02:21:51,840 --> 02:21:53,600
that burden on our taxpayer just to help

2911
02:21:53,600 --> 02:21:54,240
suic.

2912
02:21:54,240 --> 02:21:57,439
>> So, I gave it one ditch, one more ditch

2913
02:21:57,439 --> 02:21:59,520
effort to try and that's when they come

2914
02:21:59,520 --> 02:22:02,640
back and said, "Well, would you do if if

2915
02:22:02,640 --> 02:22:05,359
was possible, would you do 55 per day

2916
02:22:05,359 --> 02:22:09,200
per head per inmate

2917
02:22:09,200 --> 02:22:12,160
um until you reach a certain number?"

2918
02:22:12,160 --> 02:22:15,520
Well, if we can get 50 to 55 of your

2919
02:22:15,520 --> 02:22:18,080
inmates, but I don't think that'll ever

2920
02:22:18,080 --> 02:22:20,240
happen because She said, "Right now, we

2921
02:22:20,240 --> 02:22:22,240
don't have that."

2922
02:22:22,240 --> 02:22:24,560
I'm guessing if they pulled them from

2923
02:22:24,560 --> 02:22:26,960
Cloud County and the other facility, but

2924
02:22:26,960 --> 02:22:32,240
they won't do that. They've always went to three or four or more

2925
02:22:32,240 --> 02:22:32,960
jails.

2926
02:22:32,960 --> 02:22:35,520
>> Well, you also Yeah. And they also said,

2927
02:22:35,520 --> 02:22:37,200
"Well, we pay these other people that."

2928
02:22:37,200 --> 02:22:39,200
Well, that doesn't make sense for us.

2929
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:41,280
Maybe it makes and maybe what they're

2930
02:22:41,280 --> 02:22:43,680
doing is fill in with their extra beds,

2931
02:22:43,680 --> 02:22:45,920
so it makes sense to do it a lower rate.

2932
02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:48,319
But for us to open the jail is another

2933
02:22:48,319 --> 02:22:48,560
story.

2934
02:22:48,560 --> 02:22:52,240
>> Well, you made this

2935
02:22:52,240 --> 02:22:54,319
Mitchell County, how are they making it?

2936
02:22:54,319 --> 02:22:57,040
My question is how how is Cloud County

2937
02:22:57,040 --> 02:23:01,359
doing it? Because their leases or

2938
02:23:01,359 --> 02:23:04,640
payments are more than what we got.

2939
02:23:04,640 --> 02:23:09,200
>> So, I know they're a bigger jail, but I

2940
02:23:09,200 --> 02:23:10,800
but they have more people that they

2941
02:23:10,800 --> 02:23:16,710
hire.

2942
02:23:16,720 --> 02:23:18,240
It's 45.

2943
02:23:18,240 --> 02:23:20,560
>> Oh, the the count

2944
02:23:20,560 --> 02:23:22,479
>> their count. I don't know.

2945
02:23:22,479 --> 02:23:25,359
>> I just wonder how many

2946
02:23:25,359 --> 02:23:26,640
charging 45.

2947
02:23:26,640 --> 02:23:28,240
>> That's

2948
02:23:28,240 --> 02:23:31,600
what Captain Smith told me that they

2949
02:23:31,600 --> 02:23:34,000
only pay 45.

2950
02:23:34,000 --> 02:23:37,359
>> But as everybody draws near capacity,

2951
02:23:37,359 --> 02:23:40,319
the price go

2952
02:23:40,319 --> 02:23:42,880
>> the demand supply and demand.

2953
02:23:42,880 --> 02:23:44,640
>> But then

2954
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:46,800
What if it doesn't? You're you're one of

2955
02:23:46,800 --> 02:23:48,800
them. You're like a farmer almost with a

2956
02:23:48,800 --> 02:23:50,560
jail. It's like I'm going to go to the

2957
02:23:50,560 --> 02:23:53,600
casino and throw the crap would hope

2958
02:23:53,600 --> 02:23:56,000
that it lands on the right numbers.

2959
02:23:56,000 --> 02:23:57,760
>> Throw we se the ground and hope it comes

2960
02:23:57,760 --> 02:23:58,080
up.

2961
02:23:58,080 --> 02:23:58,960
>> Y

2962
02:23:58,960 --> 02:24:02,240
>> but the same token if we know if we just

2963
02:24:02,240 --> 02:24:03,680
look at the numbers at least we know

2964
02:24:03,680 --> 02:24:05,439
what number we're throwing right

2965
02:24:05,439 --> 02:24:06,800
>> we're gambling with.

2966
02:24:06,800 --> 02:24:07,200
>> Yeah.

2967
02:24:07,200 --> 02:24:08,479
>> Right now we don't know what number

2968
02:24:08,479 --> 02:24:12,710
we're gambling with.

2969
02:24:12,720 --> 02:24:15,120
So, as long I I just would appreciate

2970
02:24:15,120 --> 02:24:17,200
I'm glad you reached out to Scott Lloyd

2971
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:19,200
to do the calculations. I'll be anxious

2972
02:24:19,200 --> 02:24:20,880
to see what he computes.

2973
02:24:20,880 --> 02:24:22,720
>> He said it would be today sometime that

2974
02:24:22,720 --> 02:24:24,319
he get them to me. But I also know that

2975
02:24:24,319 --> 02:24:26,080
he said he had two more counties to go

2976
02:24:26,080 --> 02:24:27,520
visit. So, if they don't come today,

2977
02:24:27,520 --> 02:24:29,280
don't get stressed out. If I don't get

2978
02:24:29,280 --> 02:24:31,040
them, I don't get them to you. I'll get

2979
02:24:31,040 --> 02:24:33,200
them to you as soon as he gets them to

2980
02:24:33,200 --> 02:24:34,479
he uh

2981
02:24:34,479 --> 02:24:36,399
>> he said he had two more counties he

2982
02:24:36,399 --> 02:24:37,359
visit.

2983
02:24:37,359 --> 02:24:41,359
>> Okay. Well, I appreciate you

2984
02:24:41,359 --> 02:24:43,040
understanding we don't really want to

2985
02:24:43,040 --> 02:24:44,479
operate at a loss. I really do

2986
02:24:44,479 --> 02:24:45,280
appreciate that.

2987
02:24:45,280 --> 02:24:45,760
>> I get it.

2988
02:24:45,760 --> 02:24:47,280
>> I just kind of kept getting I kept

2989
02:24:47,280 --> 02:24:49,040
hearing we have to open our jail. We

2990
02:24:49,040 --> 02:24:51,040
have to open our jail. And I just kept

2991
02:24:51,040 --> 02:24:52,960
thinking, why do we open our jail at a

2992
02:24:52,960 --> 02:24:55,200
loss? That was the hardest thing for me

2993
02:24:55,200 --> 02:24:55,760
to

2994
02:24:55,760 --> 02:24:58,479
>> It's It's not only the loss that you got

2995
02:24:58,479 --> 02:25:01,760
to think about. And and I I took the

2996
02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:03,680
oath. I put my name on that list to be

2997
02:25:03,680 --> 02:25:06,080
elected. and I get it, but jail is the

2998
02:25:06,080 --> 02:25:11,439
biggest pain in my behind. Um, it's just

2999
02:25:11,439 --> 02:25:13,120
every day there's something that's going

3000
02:25:13,120 --> 02:25:15,760
on, something that comes up that you

3001
02:25:15,760 --> 02:25:18,160
have to adjust to. Whether it's EMS

3002
02:25:18,160 --> 02:25:19,760
coming up because somebody got hurt and

3003
02:25:19,760 --> 02:25:21,920
we have to pay for that bill. Whether

3004
02:25:21,920 --> 02:25:24,479
it's something that breaks, whether it's

3005
02:25:24,479 --> 02:25:26,479
staff shortage that don't want to come

3006
02:25:26,479 --> 02:25:28,560
up and don't want to work, whether

3007
02:25:28,560 --> 02:25:30,560
somebody gets hurt or has to go hands-on

3008
02:25:30,560 --> 02:25:32,479
and then we have a lawsuit on our hands

3009
02:25:32,479 --> 02:25:34,640
like we've had I think we've had two

3010
02:25:34,640 --> 02:25:36,240
lawsuits

3011
02:25:36,240 --> 02:25:38,479
since I've been up here.

3012
02:25:38,479 --> 02:25:39,680
>> Well, I appreciate you

3013
02:25:39,680 --> 02:25:41,920
>> took care of one of those problems. So,

3014
02:25:41,920 --> 02:25:43,840
>> so I appreciate you discussing this

3015
02:25:43,840 --> 02:25:45,680
again. And like I said, I was just

3016
02:25:45,680 --> 02:25:47,680
concerned over the weekend of what the

3017
02:25:47,680 --> 02:25:48,560
potential was.

3018
02:25:48,560 --> 02:25:50,160
>> Carla, I've been concerned since they

3019
02:25:50,160 --> 02:25:52,720
come the first time. So I get it. I

3020
02:25:52,720 --> 02:25:53,520
understand.

3021
02:25:53,520 --> 02:25:55,760
>> I think you mentioned at one time early

3022
02:25:55,760 --> 02:25:59,359
on that if we decline this time, you

3023
02:25:59,359 --> 02:26:01,040
know that they will probably continue to

3024
02:26:01,040 --> 02:26:04,560
look beyond this that it's kind of one.

3025
02:26:04,560 --> 02:26:06,880
>> Yeah. But if we lose money, let them go

3026
02:26:06,880 --> 02:26:08,479
beyond because at some point they're

3027
02:26:08,479 --> 02:26:09,920
going to say, "Oh, we need some more

3028
02:26:09,920 --> 02:26:12,000
beds." And if they don't, then we don't

3029
02:26:12,000 --> 02:26:15,120
we we shouldn't go in helping another

3030
02:26:15,120 --> 02:26:16,560
county at a loss. No.

3031
02:26:16,560 --> 02:26:18,479
>> Okay. With break even. But the potential

3032
02:26:18,479 --> 02:26:20,640
is there that we will not be at the

3033
02:26:20,640 --> 02:26:22,640
loss. If we don't capitalize on this,

3034
02:26:22,640 --> 02:26:24,000
the opportunity may [clears throat] not

3035
02:26:24,000 --> 02:26:24,640
come around.

3036
02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:27,040
>> Now, why do you say it capitalize on it

3037
02:26:27,040 --> 02:26:29,280
if it's a loss? I I'm really struggling

3038
02:26:29,280 --> 02:26:30,800
because

3039
02:26:30,800 --> 02:26:33,359
it could it could. Yeah, absolutely.

3040
02:26:33,359 --> 02:26:35,840
>> It could be a a break even. You know,

3041
02:26:35,840 --> 02:26:37,520
you're looking at the negative, but it

3042
02:26:37,520 --> 02:26:39,520
could be a break even. It could be

3043
02:26:39,520 --> 02:26:41,600
something that would be profitable for

3044
02:26:41,600 --> 02:26:43,680
us, but we don't know. It's never going

3045
02:26:43,680 --> 02:26:45,680
to be profitable because going back to

3046
02:26:45,680 --> 02:26:48,479
22 and 23, we had a general fund

3047
02:26:48,479 --> 02:26:49,840
transfer way back then.

3048
02:26:49,840 --> 02:26:51,680
>> Unless, as

3049
02:26:51,680 --> 02:26:53,680
>> you're saying that, he gets the point or

3050
02:26:53,680 --> 02:26:55,600
the Sedick or whoever it is gets to the

3051
02:26:55,600 --> 02:26:58,000
point where they're they're in a they're

3052
02:26:58,000 --> 02:27:01,600
in a pinch and they have to pay us

3053
02:27:01,600 --> 02:27:03,040
80 to$100.

3054
02:27:03,040 --> 02:27:04,720
>> We can open our jail,

3055
02:27:04,720 --> 02:27:06,319
>> but they probably will not come back to

3056
02:27:06,319 --> 02:27:07,120
us then.

3057
02:27:07,120 --> 02:27:10,800
>> Well, they pro if other jails are full.

3058
02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:12,560
>> I don't think they come back to us. I

3059
02:27:12,560 --> 02:27:15,040
don't think they would. I think if if we

3060
02:27:15,040 --> 02:27:16,800
didn't jump on it less, if it's

3061
02:27:16,800 --> 02:27:19,120
traveling less and equal dollars, they

3062
02:27:19,120 --> 02:27:20,000
will.

3063
02:27:20,000 --> 02:27:22,080
>> This is Russ's area of expertise. He

3064
02:27:22,080 --> 02:27:23,280
knows law enforcement.

3065
02:27:23,280 --> 02:27:25,439
>> I don't think the sheriff would I think

3066
02:27:25,439 --> 02:27:27,840
he would entertain other agencies before

3067
02:27:27,840 --> 02:27:31,200
coming to us. And here's the reason.

3068
02:27:31,200 --> 02:27:33,200
KDOC already has a bad taste in their

3069
02:27:33,200 --> 02:27:34,880
mouth for Ottawa County.

3070
02:27:34,880 --> 02:27:36,880
>> What was that from?

3071
02:27:36,880 --> 02:27:39,200
>> The escape.

3072
02:27:39,200 --> 02:27:42,720
>> Was that okay? decades.

3073
02:27:42,720 --> 02:27:44,640
>> It has and they still have a bad taste

3074
02:27:44,640 --> 02:27:47,520
and they really really would not just as

3075
02:27:47,520 --> 02:27:52,000
soon not come to us. So there's kind of

3076
02:27:52,000 --> 02:27:54,399
there this is a dilemma thing of the

3077
02:27:54,399 --> 02:27:56,000
crop. What do they pay?

3078
02:27:56,000 --> 02:27:59,200
>> Uh upwards of 100 plus probably.

3079
02:27:59,200 --> 02:28:01,040
>> So we want them. So how do we get them?

3080
02:28:01,040 --> 02:28:02,399
How do we make

3081
02:28:02,399 --> 02:28:03,212
>> I [snorts] don't know if we want

3082
02:28:03,212 --> 02:28:04,720
[laughter] them.

3083
02:28:04,720 --> 02:28:07,680
>> That's but that's the kids. Is that the

3084
02:28:07,680 --> 02:28:08,000
kids?

3085
02:28:08,000 --> 02:28:10,800
>> Oh no no. These are people that have

3086
02:28:10,800 --> 02:28:13,120
been sentenced to prison and and when

3087
02:28:13,120 --> 02:28:15,200
they housed for us when we housed for

3088
02:28:15,200 --> 02:28:18,479
them, sorry, the last time they they

3089
02:28:18,479 --> 02:28:20,319
told us that they were going to send us

3090
02:28:20,319 --> 02:28:22,960
ones that are just minimum minimum

3091
02:28:22,960 --> 02:28:25,200
security and didn't have any problems

3092
02:28:25,200 --> 02:28:29,840
and they'd be easy to deal with.

3093
02:28:29,840 --> 02:28:33,600
>> That didn't happen. Did not happen. Uh,

3094
02:28:33,600 --> 02:28:34,880
I don't know how many times we had to

3095
02:28:34,880 --> 02:28:36,880
call their people up here because of

3096
02:28:36,880 --> 02:28:41,040
behavior issues and they

3097
02:28:41,040 --> 02:28:44,800
Christmas they held the pod hostage

3098
02:28:44,800 --> 02:28:48,160
basically and then we had the escape and

3099
02:28:48,160 --> 02:28:51,359
they broke uh all a bunch of our

3100
02:28:51,359 --> 02:28:54,160
sprinkler heads. They were just a

3101
02:28:54,160 --> 02:28:55,760
handful.

3102
02:28:55,760 --> 02:28:57,040
And the other thing you've got to think

3103
02:28:57,040 --> 02:28:59,840
about with this is the staff that we

3104
02:28:59,840 --> 02:29:02,720
have to select from

3105
02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:03,280
or

3106
02:29:03,280 --> 02:29:05,280
>> to handle those kind of people.

3107
02:29:05,280 --> 02:29:07,359
>> Yeah.

3108
02:29:07,359 --> 02:29:09,439
>> Well, just just to kind of wrap kind of

3109
02:29:09,439 --> 02:29:11,040
that piece of it, there's difference

3110
02:29:11,040 --> 02:29:12,479
between jail and prison. There's also

3111
02:29:12,479 --> 02:29:14,880
different requirements of having KC

3112
02:29:14,880 --> 02:29:18,160
inmates and county jail inmates. These

3113
02:29:18,160 --> 02:29:19,760
are two different types of difference.

3114
02:29:19,760 --> 02:29:22,560
That's everything that Russ knows

3115
02:29:22,560 --> 02:29:24,080
and all that. There's a lot of

3116
02:29:24,080 --> 02:29:26,399
differences in doing things. It's not as

3117
02:29:26,399 --> 02:29:27,920
easy as saying, "Well, how do we get

3118
02:29:27,920 --> 02:29:29,200
those people?" Because there's a whole

3119
02:29:29,200 --> 02:29:30,720
set of requirements that would have to

3120
02:29:30,720 --> 02:29:34,800
go through again. So, it's it's a whole

3121
02:29:34,800 --> 02:29:36,479
>> Yeah. Our our people we have right now

3122
02:29:36,479 --> 02:29:40,950
would not be able to handle a KDOC.

3123
02:29:40,960 --> 02:29:42,399
» Well, and based on what you said, we

3124
02:29:42,399 --> 02:29:44,800
really don't want them anyway. So, we

3125
02:29:44,800 --> 02:29:47,439
just Yeah. Sling County for for the most

3126
02:29:47,439 --> 02:29:50,880
part, Sling County was our bread and

3127
02:29:50,880 --> 02:29:52,960
butter for years and years and years and

3128
02:29:52,960 --> 02:29:55,280
their inmates were good to us. They were

3129
02:29:55,280 --> 02:29:56,240
good to us by sending us

3130
02:29:56,240 --> 02:29:58,160
>> We still lost money though.

3131
02:29:58,160 --> 02:29:58,880
>> We did.

3132
02:29:58,880 --> 02:29:59,680
>> Yeah.

3133
02:29:59,680 --> 02:30:02,720
But the question

3134
02:30:02,720 --> 02:30:05,359
again arises is are you losing more than

3135
02:30:05,359 --> 02:30:07,760
what you would be if you was to be empty

3136
02:30:07,760 --> 02:30:09,600
and operating the way that kind of like

3137
02:30:09,600 --> 02:30:11,359
what we are doing now?

3138
02:30:11,359 --> 02:30:12,960
>> And that's the 200,000.

3139
02:30:12,960 --> 02:30:14,960
>> That's the numbers I want to see. And

3140
02:30:14,960 --> 02:30:18,160
I'm going I want to hear back from Sed

3141
02:30:18,160 --> 02:30:21,120
County. That that's kind of a an

3142
02:30:21,120 --> 02:30:22,880
important deal because I think that

3143
02:30:22,880 --> 02:30:26,479
you're right at be honest with you $45 a

3144
02:30:26,479 --> 02:30:28,640
day per inmate.

3145
02:30:28,640 --> 02:30:32,800
Even at 50 inmates, we would we'd be out

3146
02:30:32,800 --> 02:30:35,120
more than the $200,000 spending.

3147
02:30:35,120 --> 02:30:37,439
>> Then you'd have to have 16 staff.

3148
02:30:37,439 --> 02:30:38,479
>> Yeah.

3149
02:30:38,479 --> 02:30:40,080
>> If we if we were full housed with

3150
02:30:40,080 --> 02:30:41,200
inmates.

3151
02:30:41,200 --> 02:30:43,200
>> So we we would be spending more than

3152
02:30:43,200 --> 02:30:45,520
200,000. We're not getting ahead at that

3153
02:30:45,520 --> 02:30:46,800
rate.

3154
02:30:46,800 --> 02:30:48,319
>> So, there's a lot of factors that go

3155
02:30:48,319 --> 02:30:52,560
into this. It's not by any means.

3156
02:30:52,560 --> 02:30:54,479
>> Well, I'm just thankful that you don't

3157
02:30:54,479 --> 02:30:56,160
want to open the jail no matter what

3158
02:30:56,160 --> 02:30:57,600
because that was never mind. And I'm

3159
02:30:57,600 --> 02:31:00,319
glad to hear that from you. And um

3160
02:31:00,319 --> 02:31:02,240
>> if it's not going to work, I'm not gonna

3161
02:31:02,240 --> 02:31:03,680
I I don't want to hire a bunch of people

3162
02:31:03,680 --> 02:31:05,680
and then

3163
02:31:05,680 --> 02:31:09,680
a month, six months down the road say,

3164
02:31:09,680 --> 02:31:11,840
"Yeah, it's not working. We're not

3165
02:31:11,840 --> 02:31:12,800
getting what we

3166
02:31:12,800 --> 02:31:14,160
>> I don't want to going to hire a bunch of

3167
02:31:14,160 --> 02:31:15,600
people and then six months down the road

3168
02:31:15,600 --> 02:31:17,359
it would cost us half a million dollars.

3169
02:31:17,359 --> 02:31:19,439
>> Well, it's going to

3170
02:31:19,439 --> 02:31:22,399
right now for at least three to four

3171
02:31:22,399 --> 02:31:24,560
months it's going to cost us more than

3172
02:31:24,560 --> 02:31:25,600
what we're paying now.

3173
02:31:25,600 --> 02:31:26,399
>> I understand that

3174
02:31:26,399 --> 02:31:29,520
>> because we can't house

3175
02:31:29,520 --> 02:31:33,359
more than 12 to 15

3176
02:31:33,359 --> 02:31:35,439
until we get fully staffed and fully run

3177
02:31:35,439 --> 02:31:36,160
operational,

3178
02:31:36,160 --> 02:31:36,960
>> right?

3179
02:31:36,960 --> 02:31:38,960
And we have so if we can calculate what

3180
02:31:38,960 --> 02:31:41,600
our loss is going to be based on that

3181
02:31:41,600 --> 02:31:43,920
and figure out if that's where we want

3182
02:31:43,920 --> 02:31:46,880
to go but I before I didn't think that

3183
02:31:46,880 --> 02:31:48,880
we had a full financial picture. I'm

3184
02:31:48,880 --> 02:31:50,800
glad you're looking at it.

3185
02:31:50,800 --> 02:31:53,280
>> Well

3186
02:31:53,280 --> 02:31:56,080
a lot

3187
02:31:56,080 --> 02:32:00,150
to the master.

3188
02:32:00,160 --> 02:32:03,200
» Yep. That it

3189
02:32:03,200 --> 02:32:04,160
>> yes that's what

3190
02:32:04,160 --> 02:32:14,309
>> okay. Thank you.

3191
02:32:14,319 --> 02:32:16,000
Are we done with commissioner comments?

3192
02:32:16,000 --> 02:32:17,520
>> Wait a second. Let me see my little list

3193
02:32:17,520 --> 02:32:18,720
here.

3194
02:32:18,720 --> 02:32:21,120
>> I think that was it.

3195
02:32:21,120 --> 02:32:22,160
>> Okay.

3196
02:32:22,160 --> 02:32:24,080
>> So, that was mine.

3197
02:32:24,080 --> 02:32:27,439
>> Commissioner Carl has a question.

3198
02:32:27,439 --> 02:32:31,920
Do you do you guys know of anything that

3199
02:32:31,920 --> 02:32:33,680
I can't imagine there isn't something

3200
02:32:33,680 --> 02:32:36,880
out there that gives idea of what a

3201
02:32:36,880 --> 02:32:40,319
full-time employee would mean to an area

3202
02:32:40,319 --> 02:32:42,560
>> far as you know

3203
02:32:42,560 --> 02:32:44,240
>> how much it trickle down into

3204
02:32:44,240 --> 02:32:46,160
>> Yeah. Yeah. Whatever the wording would

3205
02:32:46,160 --> 02:32:46,479
be

3206
02:32:46,479 --> 02:32:47,359
>> that'd be interesting

3207
02:32:47,359 --> 02:32:50,240
>> that would come from like two county

3208
02:32:50,240 --> 02:32:51,760
development that would be kind of their

3209
02:32:51,760 --> 02:32:52,319
expertise.

3210
02:32:52,319 --> 02:32:54,319
>> I mean that's I think most people think

3211
02:32:54,319 --> 02:32:56,160
that an employee I mean you hear it all

3212
02:32:56,160 --> 02:32:56,960
the time.

3213
02:32:56,960 --> 02:32:57,760
>> Yeah.

3214
02:32:57,760 --> 02:32:58,960
>> When they're looking at bringing people

3215
02:32:58,960 --> 02:33:00,960
in for businesses or whatever what it

3216
02:33:00,960 --> 02:33:03,680
means you know tax roles and benefits.

3217
02:33:03,680 --> 02:33:06,560
>> I don't know. I mean

3218
02:33:06,560 --> 02:33:09,520
whe

3219
02:33:09,520 --> 02:33:11,120
>> interesting question I'll try and have

3220
02:33:11,120 --> 02:33:12,240
an answer for you next week.

3221
02:33:12,240 --> 02:33:13,600
>> I [clears throat] mean whe

3222
02:33:13,600 --> 02:33:17,040
>> no matter who it's for whether you guys

3223
02:33:17,040 --> 02:33:20,479
>> jail us as EMS or whoever I mean that

3224
02:33:20,479 --> 02:33:23,280
would be an interesting number

3225
02:33:23,280 --> 02:33:24,960
>> it would probably be proportionate. I

3226
02:33:24,960 --> 02:33:26,960
would think if somebody comes in with a

3227
02:33:26,960 --> 02:33:28,800
work at home or remote job and they're

3228
02:33:28,800 --> 02:33:31,280
making $200,000 a year they're probably

3229
02:33:31,280 --> 02:33:33,040
going to put more into the economy than

3230
02:33:33,040 --> 02:33:35,280
somebody that's making 50 or 60, you

3231
02:33:35,280 --> 02:33:37,120
know, but they've got to be an average

3232
02:33:37,120 --> 02:33:39,680
out there somewhere to kind of obviously

3233
02:33:39,680 --> 02:33:42,160
varies from, you know, county versus

3234
02:33:42,160 --> 02:33:42,560
county,

3235
02:33:42,560 --> 02:33:43,520
>> right?

3236
02:33:43,520 --> 02:33:46,720
>> Chamber of Commerce County would have

3237
02:33:46,720 --> 02:33:48,160
those numbers.

3238
02:33:48,160 --> 02:33:50,160
>> Who?

3239
02:33:50,160 --> 02:33:52,000
>> Yeah, I've got those written down.

3240
02:33:52,000 --> 02:33:55,200
Choose county. How much money into the

3241
02:33:55,200 --> 02:33:57,920
economy? Very good.

3242
02:33:57,920 --> 02:34:00,240
comment.

3243
02:34:00,240 --> 02:34:01,600
>> Anything else, Carla?

3244
02:34:01,600 --> 02:34:04,240
>> No, that covers everything.

3245
02:34:04,240 --> 02:34:06,160
The only thing I would say is no meeting

3246
02:34:06,160 --> 02:34:08,000
next Monday on the 7th of November.

3247
02:34:08,000 --> 02:34:10,399
Everybody have a good Labor Day.

3248
02:34:10,399 --> 02:34:11,520
>> Be safe.

3249
02:34:11,520 --> 02:34:13,200
>> Yes.

3250
02:34:13,200 --> 02:34:14,960
And endure the heat between now and

3251
02:34:14,960 --> 02:34:16,800
then. They're promising heat all week. I

3252
02:34:16,800 --> 02:34:17,760
think it

3253
02:34:17,760 --> 02:34:22,309
>> over 100. Yeah.

3254
02:34:22,319 --> 02:34:25,040
» I'll make a motion to adjourn at 10:35.

3255
02:34:25,040 --> 02:34:30,550
>> I will second it.

3256
02:34:30,560 --> 02:34:33,680
Any discussion?

3257
02:34:33,680 --> 02:34:35,920
All those in favor go home.

3258
02:34:35,920 --> 02:34:36,880
>> Say I.

3259
02:34:36,880 --> 02:34:42,520
>> Oh, I whatever. And then go home.