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I'd like to welcome everybody to the Town

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of Salpich Animal Control Shelter Building Committee, Thursday,

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August 27, 2026 at 6 p.m. Vice

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Conference Room, First Agenda Roll Calls, Carlisle, here.

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Are you here?

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Are your tees absent?

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Your Provost?

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Present.

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Chief?

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Here.

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Katie?

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Here.

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Josh, are you excused?

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Alex?

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Here.

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Okay, moving on to...

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Who are the medics?

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Jack, do we have any medics?

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No, unfortunately I wasn't able to get them

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finalized today.

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I apologize.

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Okay, we'll take them up on that meeting.

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I thought I had one, buddy.

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You're fired.

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Moving on to number three, review and discuss

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the following and take any action.

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Chris with an update on MEP, building project

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design, and construction dollars.

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Chris?

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Okay, so, yeah, we provided...

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So, we didn't go out to formal estimates

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on this because of the...

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I'm sure Alex is in the business, and

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Sky is in the business.

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It's like a moving target.

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So, we go and pay somebody the $10

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,000 that we were going to do it.

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We literally talked to these people, like, you

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know, we're going to tell you this today

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and tomorrow it's going to change.

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Like, you know, pull together an estimate.

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What you're looking at is probably on a

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high side conservative where we want to be.

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If you're looking for funding, you know, it

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doesn't always look great when you go off

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the initial set of funding, but at least

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you'll be covered for the project that you

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have going on.

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And then, you know, see how that, you

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know, see...

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Well, you've really got to put it to

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bed to find out what you're going to

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fund.

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So, what we did was use our opinions

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of profitable cost.

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From the site side, my perspective is I

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use all mass DOT budgets for projects that

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occurred in the past, from present back to

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two years.

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So, I'm talking about moving materials.

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So, really it is the municipal jobs that

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are using actual estimates that have been made

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for projects that have been completed.

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But, again, those are street jobs, right?

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Like a project.

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So, if you...

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It's likely, again, probably it's a conservative estimate

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where we exactly want to be, but there's

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probably going to be some savings in there

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because you're going to have someone coming and

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going and going.

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As long as you're following all the public

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procurement, you have to pay for building wages,

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but you're not always seeing the same swings

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you would see for a big highway project.

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But that's where we have to come from,

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our estimates, because that's basically where the numbers

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have come from.

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No, I think that makes sense.

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Again, it definitely probably seems like it's probably

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aligned with a road construction project versus a

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site development plan.

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I was looking through and just curious about

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the site conditions themselves, how much that contributes

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to some of those, but nothing really seemed

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like crazy.

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I don't know.

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To me, it seemed like you were being

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conservative, as you mentioned.

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The only thing that really stuck out to

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me on the building side, which I don't

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know if you want to talk separately about

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that, but on the building side, the only

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concern I have is some of the specialty

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items because those can be, out of left

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field, expensive.

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So the dog doors, that could be $10

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,000, that could be $40,000.

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I was like, no idea.

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So those are some of the items that

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just stuck out to me.

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I think specialty-wise, that would be Pamling.

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I'm sure it's probably not too far off.

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And then I saw there was just a

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couple of square foot estimates at the bottom

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based on a bunch of different values.

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I wasn't sure if there was any insight

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as to where those values came from.

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That would just—and Jake Align is the architect.

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He's pulled those off at his number.

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He's sort of basically doing the same type

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stuff that did Zazai.

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It's kind of how we have to run

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it on most recent projects and keep that

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as up-to-date.

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Yeah, it's an interesting mix because it's a

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commercial building, but a lot of construction is

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kind of more residential construction-style.

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Right, right.

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So I think, again, I can't tell you

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how much it costs to build an animal

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control shelter per square foot necessarily, but I

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think figuring out where those—what informs that is

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definitely helpful in determining if it's an accurate

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estimate.

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Right.

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Any other questions?

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Is there anything that suffers DAW to do

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to cut the cost on this?

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I mean, anything.

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So, I mean, from a public procurement perspective,

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it's tough.

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I mean, it comes from the chief procurement

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officer that says, okay, can we break this

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up?

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Can we get something done internally?

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Have them look at how— And that's really—anytime

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you get into a situation like this, they

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say, well, as long as it's good with

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the chief procurement officer and we get buy

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-in from that DAW, then we can say,

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hey, this is what we're looking for.

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Can you prep this pad for us?

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If that's really what we're looking to have

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them do.

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And then we can do it to cut

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the cost.

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That's what I'm wondering.

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In the realm of— Well, that would be

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okay, but then you hire the contractor, then

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it's not how people would expect that you

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did.

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I mean, I don't know in what perspective—

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Like site preparedness.

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That's what I'm thinking.

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We've got all the equipment to do site

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preparedness, don't we?

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This one I'm going to say no.

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Yeah.

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We have a ledge at a very shallow

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grade with ledges, so there's going to be

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a hammer blasting, which I think it would

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probably be a hammer, but that is a

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different tool than— I didn't notice that.

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When you go onto the site and you

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lay it out, you're going to do the

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foundation, you've already done the deep hole test.

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You've already researched where the subject is.

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That's Toronto.

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So for us, it's more or less blowing

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a hole into the ledge that we can

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get some foundation in.

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And I don't think they have the capacity.

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No, they don't.

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It's probably a difficult part of balancing.

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Like, your budget needs to be as low

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as it can be.

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Because we're abetting the project between the general

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and the DBW.

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Yeah, because they're going to pull off the

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plan if they have some emergency content.

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Right.

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And you're just trying to get a pad,

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a simple pad, and pull it down.

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I think where we've got to go is

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we've got to find out what the actual

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number is.

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What is it?

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How many square feet is the building?

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3,000.

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3,000?

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I gave the prints to a contractor to

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look at it, and then we plugged in

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the numbers, and they thought it was about

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$500,000 high.

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But again, this contractor deals in commercial work

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and stuff like that.

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Yeah.

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And I'm going to agree with you 100%.

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Yeah.

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These numbers are going to be all over

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the place.

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You know, 3,000 square foot building, and

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gentlemen were talking about it, and he told

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me this idea, okay.

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But then, I know Jeff and I have

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a little bit of experience with how the

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bids come in.

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You know, we did the middle high school.

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We did the fire station.

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You know, go for a rebid.

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You know, there's a lot of chess pieces

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to move around.

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But the thing is, on this one here,

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I think, there's a lot of money that's

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been donated, and there's still people that want

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to donate heavy money, and I'm turning around

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and going, I don't have a solid number

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to tell anybody.

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So, to me, I think we've got to

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go to the next step, which is going

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to cost money, and this is why we're

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here.

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We're going to discuss, do we want to

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go to the next step, which is, you

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know, a bid process.

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You know, how long will it take.

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Yeah, I mean, we're all in line to,

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this is all, we're in line to stop

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pulling bid docs, because we just have them,

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because we didn't want to start charging town

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if they weren't going to put it on

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the street.

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Yeah, because I think it's 6 and 1

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1⁄2, because, yeah, it would be great to

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have, like, a realistic number, but to this

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point, by the time we get the money

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in line, is that going to be the

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realistic number anymore?

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Or are you low, because you were basing

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it off of bids from months ago?

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That's part of the construction of the world.

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Oh, yeah.

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But, if I may, we're not going to

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go out to bid if we don't have

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the money allocated to the project, because then

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you're out to bid, and you don't have

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the funding to do it.

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So, it's going to have to be presented

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to the council of how you're going to

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fund this.

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Right.

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Because we could throw it out on a

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bid, and if the bid's coming in too

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high, now you've got to change the scope,

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because you can't rebid the same job.

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So, unless you make a change, a substantive

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change.

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So, like, for the fire station, when we

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did that, our first bid package was the

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fire station, alternates and all that, but it

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was all that included demolition of the properties

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where the original bid documents were.

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When we went out the second time, it

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was a built-in, and all that demolition

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was out, and that type of work was

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out of it, and so that was enough

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of a substantive change in the bid documents

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that we didn't have to change the scope

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of the building anyway, because it was, like,

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we took a substantial portion out of the

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project.

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So, that's the caution, right?

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So, is it you invest $10,000, like

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you say, and get an actual closer cost,

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then go to council?

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Is that what you do?

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Or do you go to council and say,

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hey, the opinion problem cost is $2.1,

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but we only have $475,000 left.

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Where's the $1.7?

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But I think that number's way high.

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Well, how do you determine that?

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By going out to bid.

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But then you're going to have to have

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town council support.

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How do you find that?

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So, not trying to dissuade anybody, but you

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can't go out to bid unless you have,

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how do you fund the project?

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How much money do we have right now?

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A little bit undefined.

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We're getting more from...

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But you can't go out to bid, say,

301
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right?

302
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Yeah, we don't even live.

303
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One of the fun things was, it says

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how much do you need.

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How good of a relationship does the town

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have with any of the general contractors that

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were not working recently?

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They might be willing to give you some

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pretty good estimates at no cost.

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A lot of late work for $0.

311
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Yeah.

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So, people want you guys on a time

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track sort of thing?

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Yeah, because they want to be in your

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good graces, so that you're happy.

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If we want to go down that road

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beforehand, I'd ship this off to our owner's

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project manager.

319
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Does a lot of the design, and if

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I have good, at least baseline documents they

321
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can give me that, we can send to

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him.

323
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Rick Pomeroy does a very good job.

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They're very good on...

325
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That's the owner's project manager.

326
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Yeah, the fire station.

327
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And they'll probably do that estimate for you.

328
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I mean, again, we didn't want to go

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to an estimated knowledge gap because...

330
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He may be able to just take a

331
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quick look at it Yeah, your risk is

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a lot lower because you have a set

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drawing.

334
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It's not like you're at a 50%

335
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set drawing.

336
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You're going to come back and...

337
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It's probably enough for them to be able

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to...

339
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Yeah, just give a baseline, because they're out

340
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there bidding on the public side, not just

341
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the commercial side.

342
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They're bidding on the public side.

343
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If we had some good scope of, okay,

344
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it's a septic, the waterline is this, this

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is the site, what is the general site

346
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work, what is all that?

347
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Yeah, you build in some sort of escalation

348
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anticipating that you're not going to actually buy

349
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the project until, say, a year later or

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something along those lines.

351
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And that's essentially right on your contingency of

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5% escalation, anticipating that next year it's

353
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going to cost 5% more to build.

354
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So if you send a PDF to Jack

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to give to Pomeroy, that would be a...

356
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Send you this site, the architectural, and the...

357
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And I'll ask them, I'll see if they'll

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do it for us with no cost and

359
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go from there.

360
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Just so you can...

361
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I mean, I think it's not going to

362
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go into big detail.

363
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They'll be able to just look at it

364
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pretty quick and go, okay, I know...

365
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There'll still be unit rates and all that

366
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stuff.

367
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Yeah, of course.

368
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But it'll be forked off of hopefully something

369
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that's slightly dialed in.

370
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It'll be a much more scientific process than

371
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what we've been practicing so far.

372
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And I have mentioned to Tom...

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They're not giving you any different answers.

374
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I have mentioned to Tom that he was

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willing to take a look at it.

376
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I just need more details as to what

377
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I've said to him.

378
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Excuse me, I have a question.

379
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Go ahead.

380
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Actually, I have two.

381
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Why would the doors be so expensive?

382
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You said that they would vary from $1

383
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,000 to $4,000?

384
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The dog doors?

385
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Oh, I was saying the...

386
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Yeah, the...

387
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Just specialty items in general, I guess.

388
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Any really specialized that you're not installing all

389
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the time, you have a really difficult time

390
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estimating what that cost would be without actually

391
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getting somebody to give you a price.

392
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Really?

393
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Yeah.

394
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Oh, okay.

395
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And I assume those are just like the

396
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doors that let dogs out?

397
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Yeah, but I think, if I'm not mistaken,

398
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you were saying they have a pulley system

399
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so you don't have to actually be in

400
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there to open the door.

401
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It's a little more complicated than a dog

402
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door.

403
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Oh, okay.

404
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Yeah, because they seem cheaper at a pet

405
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store.

406
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Yeah, of course.

407
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So I was like, wow.

408
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And my second question is, I haven't been

409
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at these meetings in a long time.

410
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Are there any changes of proximity to the

411
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roof or any of the buildings?

412
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I mean, really, I don't think I've been

413
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here since last February.

414
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Yeah, these are the same ones that were

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submitted and approved through planning and constitution.

416
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Yeah.

417
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Oh, okay.

418
00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:20,060
No changes?

419
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No.

420
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Okay.

421
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Thank you.

422
00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:23,220
Sure.

423
00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:26,080
Hey, Chris.

424
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I'm going to move on.

425
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We talked about reviewing preliminary cost estimates, the

426
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funding, update on the bid process.

427
00:14:34,340 --> 00:14:36,880
If, Jack, you take a look at that

428
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hypothetically, what are we talking?

429
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Say he comes through with a projected number

430
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and we go with his number and we

431
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say, we think we're going to go forward

432
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with this.

433
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From the time we go off to bid,

434
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what are we talking timeframe-wise?

435
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So we have to pull the documents together

436
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and then there's usually a standard 30, 60,

437
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90, depending upon, because, again, Jack's office tells

438
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us, okay, we want to give folks 30

439
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days to review this and 60 days to

440
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review it, get the bids in by then,

441
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whether they need We did 30 the first

442
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time.

443
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We did 30 the first time.

444
00:15:15,020 --> 00:15:18,440
So, you know, the MEPs are ready to

445
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pull the bid documents together.

446
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I'm ready to pull the bid documents together.

447
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So that could be within a month, we

448
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could have everything together fully.

449
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And then it's just I'll lay out the

450
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timeframe for standard bidding.

451
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It's going to be bid for two weeks.

452
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It's going to be, you know, review.

453
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So that's usually a few-month process.

454
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And then at this point in time, you

455
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could, you know, get construction ready for the

456
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spring if we had everything in place.

457
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Perfect time, this time of year to do

458
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everything.

459
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People, when it's in, then they're just setting

460
00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:56,700
this work aside, maybe the first job, or

461
00:15:56,700 --> 00:15:59,100
whatever else, but at least they're, you know,

462
00:16:00,060 --> 00:16:01,980
this is a good time for bidding anyways.

463
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The spring.

464
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And then the site would allow them.

465
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The site would allow this at any time

466
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because it's not in the world.

467
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You know what I'm saying?

468
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If they wanted to move in and move

469
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in during the wintertime, there wasn't, they're out.

470
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Is it fair to say that the whole

471
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building is going to be on ledge?

472
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It won't be on ledge, but it's going

473
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to be close.

474
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I mean, the footings and everything will be

475
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pretty much on ledge.

476
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Right.

477
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So in the wintertime, ledge doesn't freeze.

478
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I'm just thinking about your company did a

479
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high school, and there was no ledge.

480
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The winterization was tremendous.

481
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Expensive.

482
00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:45,680
Following the ground is not a good idea.

483
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Yeah.

484
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Did we have to follow the ground?

485
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Because I thought we had a good spring.

486
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There were envelopes.

487
00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:52,140
No.

488
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Everything went well under budget, on time, with

489
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what I got, but when you're dealing with

490
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a palm field, when you're dealing with bedrock,

491
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it took two different worlds.

492
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And maybe that's aggressive, but like I said,

493
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sometimes the state says you can't go on

494
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the road April 15th, but we don't mean

495
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to wait until April 15th, because they're off

496
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in the backfield.

497
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They're not in anybody's way, really.

498
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It's whatever they do their work.

499
00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,420
We're going to get the PDFs out.

500
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I'll get it from him.

501
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I'm rolling to you to be ready very

502
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good.

503
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All right.

504
00:17:31,940 --> 00:17:34,060
So at this point, we'll move on to

505
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any other discussion.

506
00:17:36,660 --> 00:17:39,760
If not, moving on to four, approval of

507
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any invoices to be submitted to the finance

508
00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:45,240
department, payment from McClure.

509
00:17:45,460 --> 00:17:47,800
This is just an invoice for Chris for

510
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$2,990.

511
00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,800
Invoice number 22970.

512
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Sorry for the delay.

513
00:17:57,180 --> 00:17:59,780
At least it's a small number for you.

514
00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:02,120
What's it for?

515
00:18:02,120 --> 00:18:04,980
It was for the last revision.

516
00:18:05,700 --> 00:18:07,300
It's all in line with our contract.

517
00:18:07,620 --> 00:18:08,840
So we haven't touched the bidding.

518
00:18:09,140 --> 00:18:10,540
The next thing for us to do is

519
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start the bidding process so that money doesn't

520
00:18:12,700 --> 00:18:13,180
set aside.

521
00:18:13,420 --> 00:18:14,880
So we heard the finalization of it.

522
00:18:15,600 --> 00:18:16,860
What was that number again, Jack?

523
00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:18,440
$2,990.

524
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A motion.

525
00:18:20,540 --> 00:18:24,000
It's a motion to pay invoice for $2

526
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,990.

527
00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:26,760
Do I have a second?

528
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:27,220
Second.

529
00:18:27,820 --> 00:18:28,800
Alex seconds it.

530
00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:30,020
Any discussion?

531
00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:32,160
All those in favor?

532
00:18:33,360 --> 00:18:33,800
Opposed?

533
00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:35,880
Unanimous, all present.

534
00:18:37,480 --> 00:18:38,920
Discussion of the next meeting day.

535
00:18:40,660 --> 00:18:41,860
Do you want to wait until we retrieve

536
00:18:41,860 --> 00:18:42,120
that?

537
00:18:42,120 --> 00:18:42,840
Yeah, I guess, yeah.

538
00:18:43,720 --> 00:18:45,580
We should have a quick turnaround, but I'll

539
00:18:45,580 --> 00:18:46,240
put it in today.

540
00:18:46,660 --> 00:18:47,140
Sounds good.

541
00:18:47,580 --> 00:18:48,220
Motion to adjourn?

542
00:18:48,660 --> 00:18:48,980
Motion.

543
00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:49,860
Second.

544
00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:50,780
All in favor?

545
00:18:51,460 --> 00:18:51,880
Opposed?

546
00:18:52,340 --> 00:18:53,120
Where's the motion?

547
00:18:53,300 --> 00:18:53,480
I'm sorry.

548
00:18:54,380 --> 00:18:54,760
I motion.

549
00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:55,340
Second.

550
00:18:55,420 --> 00:18:55,840
I second.