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Ready. [clears throat]

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» Good morning. Like to call this meeting
to order for the Blackhawk County Board

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of Supervisors regular session for
September 1, 2026. Roll call, please.

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Mr. Jameson.
>> Brand here. Hall

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» here.
>> Curtainbot

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» here. Schwarz
>> here.

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» Leilen
>> here. Would everyone please join us for

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a moment of silence to reflect on our
actions this morning?

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in the flags or something.

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» Yeah.
>> It's a moment of silence.

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» Thank you. Would you please join us for
the pledge of allegiance?

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» I aliance to the flag of the United
States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands. One nation under
God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.
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» Item one is the agenda received as
proposed or amended. And I would like to

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amend the agenda to just um rearrange I
guess the last two items item 9D and 9E.

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Just reversing those. So if anyone that
needs to um leave after the discussion

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of the control ordinance um can leave.
>> So move as change. Seconded.

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» All in favor say I.
>> I.

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» I.
>> I.

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» Oppos. Same sign. Agenda is received.
Item two is public comments. Is there

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anyone in the room today that would like
to speak on comments that not on today's

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agenda?

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Anyone [snorts] online?

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And seeing none, we'll move [snorts] on
to years of service awards to employees

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with 20 or more years of service.
>> Uh we have two today. The first one is

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County Attorney Brian Williams with 20
years of service.

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» Mr. WILLIAMS, [applause]

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[snorts]
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» want to say a few words?
>> Uh, you know, it's been 20 years. I

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can't believe it. Um, if there's any
reflection, I have two employees here,

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so that means I have great support. No,
>> they're busy. I know. [laughter] I know.

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» What about me?
>> Oh, I know. Mike Mike's here, too.

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» Mike had to be here, though. Mike Mike's
a captive audience, but you know,

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[laughter]
>> I can't believe it's been 20 years, but

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it's been great. So,
>> appreciate it. Thank you.

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» Thank you. Thanks for your service.
>> And the next one we have is conservation

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director Mike Hendrickson with 35 years.

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» [applause]

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» Thanks guys.
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» No. Would you like to say a few words?
>> Oh, I've got one word to say. [laughter]

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» So anyway, you know, when you stay 35
years with an organization, it it's

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normally one of two things. Either you
had to for whatever reason or you wanted

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to. And for me, it's because I wanted
to. And if I had to pick out, you know,

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all the great things that I can say
about Blackhawk County and this career,

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probably the one thing that I'll say
that kept me here that always made me

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want to stay here is just the people
that you work with every day. Um, this

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is a great organization. It's run very
smoothly, um, very effectively, and the

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people you work with, and I'm not just
talking about my our conservation

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people. I'm talking about from this
boardroom through all the departments.

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Um, great people to work with. when you
ask for help or you need something,

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somebody's always standing in line to
help you. So, that'll keep you here. And

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so, thank you very much for the
opportunity. I very much appreciate it.

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» Moving on to item four, claims and
payments. This is a resolution that the

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board of supervisors approve
expenditures and that the [snorts]

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county auditor be authorized and
directed to issue payments against the

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various settlement of such claims as
allowed.

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» So moved.
>> Second.

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» Good morning board. Our total bill
payment today is $523,226.18

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and out of that payments from the 6040
fund are $3,1621.

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We had a couple of larger expenses this
week. Um, the road department is paying

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for their John Deere loader for
$132,594.440.

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They're also paying for a John Deere
mower um from for $48,000

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and
paying for steel from local option fund

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for $71,232.96.

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And also we are paying for a new
trailblazer to replace one that was

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totaled in an [clears throat] accident.
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and then we're starting to pay some of
the claims on the hail damage vehicles.

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That appears to be everything and I
believe it's in order today. Any

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questions for me?

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» Thank you. This is a resolution. Please
answer your name is called.

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» Grant,
>> yes.

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» Hall, yes.
>> Curtainbot,

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» yes.
>> Schwarz,

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» yes.
>> Leila,

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» yes. Item five, receive project updates
from department heads and elected

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officials.
>> Good morning, board. Kathy Nicholas,

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engineer. I'll give you a brief update
on the crane. [clears throat] We have uh

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received. We have had the crane looked
at by some technicians out of Cedar

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Rapids Equipment Company. They've um
kind of verified that it probably was a

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lightning strike. We are that damaged
the crane. We are working with Lori to

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see if it's eligible for any type of
insurance reimbursement. Uh, in the

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meantime, we've I believe we brought it
back to Longfellow now and we are

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working with Emerson Crane Company to
get our beam set on Hoff Road. It the

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that is ready for the beams to be set.
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set those beams on Thursday. If you if
you'd like to see that, um, that'd be

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great. Let us know. I'd encourage you to
go out and see that. Again, that's

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weather dependent. We don't need their
crane getting struck by lightning. Uh so

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uh moving on to uh some other work that
the bridge crew is doing. They are still

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working on uh the bridge on Axley and
hopefully if our crane is repaired in

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time, we will be able to work on that
that small structure that bridge

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replacement later this yet this year.
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Taylor Construction, they are still
working up on Windslow. They have um

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poured the enc casements around the two
peers and I believe they their next

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order of work is to move to the um
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finish that and then they will be
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project. Can I answer any questions at
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» Kathy got a call. Apparently we've got
crews out working getting gravel roads

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ready for winter ready.
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We
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for winter until October 1st.
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I mean that's when we're blading through
desk controls and preparing the roads

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for winter. But at this time, we're just
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that have not gotten their the mile rock
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that's primarily what we're doing.
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I got a call.
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» I'll get with you. That's okay. Thank
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» Kathy. I was going to ask, would you um
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on the new building for us next week or
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We're getting close to wanting to issue
the RFP, so I can give you an update on

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that next week.
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» Thank you.

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» Morning board. A manifes HR director. Um
just a quick update for uh next week.

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So, uh, policy review committee. I sent
out an email about pretty much just

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cancelling or holding off on that
meeting as, uh, we've got the, uh,

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training going on, um, for the, uh,
[clears throat] supervisors with the

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review and practice on accountability
and one-on- ones. I also was asked if we

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should do department head meeting. Um,
so I was just going to let you know that

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may also be cancelled just depending on
the number of attendees that are

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attending the other training at
conservation. Um, and then a couple

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things. I'll be out next Thursday and
Friday with Anna attending training, but

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our office will still be open. Cherry
will be here. Um, but we got kind of a

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busy September. So, our office is kind
of like, you know, if you see signs on

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the door, it's usually because one of us
is in the, you know, the RAP training or

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at other training. So, September,
[clears throat] just [snorts] Yeah, an

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FYI on that. Any questions at all for me
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or anything with the ongoing training
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All right. That all kicked off last week
and it's been going really well. So,

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» I thought so, too.
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» Thank you. [snorts]

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» Good morning again. Mike Hendrickson,
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Um, just kind of a late summer report
with the last major holiday right in

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front of us. Just wanted to let you
know, I'll find some wood to knock on.

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At this point, every park is open. The
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the WS Penne well within its banks. So,
we think we're going to have be able to

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run uh all of our parks and our
campground systems and so that will be

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great. Attendance will be large. Um
looks like a nice weekend in front of

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us. So, we're getting ready for that.
One event that will take place this

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weekend is something new. We've been
working with Gallagher Blue Dorne uh

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since about last April on this. They do
a what they call a block party uh

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throughout the summer in different
locations uh in Cedar Falls, Waterlue or

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the Cedar Valley. um they get local
bands to come and and perform and so

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they wanted to do one in our parks and
we luckily chose not to do it over

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Memorial Day. We were thinking about
that and we did go underwater and close

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the park so we would have lost. So it's
going to be Saturday um September the

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5th out Blackhawk Park from 7 to 9. Uh
one of the local bands I believe is Dry

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Run Creek will be playing. Um uh we're
preparing for a pretty large crowd

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because they have a pretty good
following. So we're looking forward to

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that. It'll be a great event out in
Blackhawk Park. Um, School of the Wild

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is ready to kick off over at the Nature
Center. Um, just a just a huge event for

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us that will run through uh all of
September and all of October. Um, lots

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and lots and lots of kids and and
speakers and that. It's just a great

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program. And so that will be kicking
off. Our fall fundraisers, we're well

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underway with those. Uh, getting those
ready. Under the Harvest Moon will uh be

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October the 30th. That's on a Friday
night. So, watch for ticket sales for

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that. um that's always well attended.
And then our holiday light show, we are

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going uh uh getting that all set up.
We're getting sponsors and and

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businesses already kicking in and and
wanting to to put up a display. So,

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that's going to go really well, I think,
again, too. And then one one last

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reminder, about a year ago, um the river
did work us over pretty good in

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Blackhawk Park and we lost the culvert
going into the campground. Uh we put a

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band-aid fix on it and it's held up
really, really well. But in the

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meantime, we did go through uh RFP and
we've got a contractor and so that work

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is going to start uh the first week of
October. That being said, and the reason

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I bring it up is because we will be
closing those campgrounds uh right in

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the first month of October. October can
be a great camping month and so you may

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get phone calls, but it's about a 30-day
job and they'll be out of there. So, um

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had to be had to be done and hopefully
it will last for the next 50 to 75

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years. So, any questions you have for
conservation at all?

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» Is there anyone online that would like
to [snorts] give an update?

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» Morning board. This is Caitlyn Emmerick,
public health director. I have a quick

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update for you. Um, [snorts] I just
wanted to give a quick situational

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update on measles activity in the state
of Iowa. Um over the August 17th weekend

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um there were cases identified in
southern Iowa and uh as a result over

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the last couple of weeks cases have
continued to increase in Iowa. As of

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today there are 19 cases of measles in
Iowa. In Iowa um across

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um four health and human service
districts we do not have any cases in

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HHS district 7 where Blackhawk County um
is, but we do have cases in neighboring

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districts. Um, so Iowa HHS has requested
local public health agencies across the

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state to begin planning to support
counties in their service area for the

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possibility of cases. Um, and so we have
done that in our agency. Um, we've had

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some internal meeting planning meetings
and are starting to receive requests

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from um, counties in our service area
for assistance. Um, so I just wanted to

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let you know that we are working with
our neighbors to provide assistance to

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them as they respond to cases of measles
in their counties. Are there any

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questions for me?

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» Doesn't look like so. Thank you very
much, Caitlyn.

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» Thank you, [clears throat]
>> Mr. U.

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» Morning board. Alu, IT director. Just
want to give you a quick update. CEC

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will be back on site Thursday to finish
the programming of the basement

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conference room. Uh, so just want to let
you know the should only take about a

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half a day, but we did book the room for
the entire day just in case. Can I

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answer any questions for you guys?
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when they [clears throat] get that.
Great.

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» Look forward to it. Thank you.

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» Looks like we're moving on. Item six,
minutes approved for August 25th, 2026.

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[clears throat]
>> So moved. Second.

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» All in favor say I. Hi. Hi.
>> Both same sign. Minutes are approved.

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Item seven, the consent agenda. The
following items are acted upon by a

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single resolution unless someone would
like to remove something for discussion.

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» So moved.
>> Second.

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» Roll call vote. Please answer as your
name is called. [clears throat]

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» Hall.
>> Yes.

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» Curtenbod.
>> Yes.

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» Schwarz.
>> Yes.

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» Grant.
>> Yes.

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» Leilen?
>> Yes.

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» Item eight, contracts and agreements.
Resolution to accept the notice of

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termination of the coordinated
contractors [clears throat]

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indemnity 28e agreement dated June 25th
1995 between Blackhawk County and

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Intercog effective November 30, 2026.
>> So moved.

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» Second. It's a resolution. I think
everybody got the email and also the old

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indemnity agreement. It's no longer
needed.

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» Right. Thank you. This resolution please
answer your name as calls.

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» Curtainbot.
>> Yes.

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» Fors.
>> Yes. Brandt,

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» yes.
>> Paul,

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» yes.
>> Leilen,

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» yes.
>> Item number B, resolution that the

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agreement received from Origin Design
Debuke, Iowa for professional services,

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including bridge load ratings on
[clears throat] three bridges in

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Blackhawk County with a cost of $7,000
be approved and for the chair to sign as

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recommended by Katherine Nicholas,
county engineer.

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» So, second,
>> uh, good morning again, Bore. As I told

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you in email, we do have uh three new
structures that need to be have the load

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ratings completed by the end of this
calendar year, December 31st, to be in

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compliance with national bridge
inspection standards and federal highway

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policies. Uh we
we h we do budget every year to do load

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ratings on some of our bridges. It's
just an ongoing uh thing we need to do.

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So, we did uh budget some money in FY27
professional services and this money,

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the $7,000 would come out of that fund.
Can I answer any questions on this?

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» Kathy, do you foresee these inspections
leading to reductions in loads on any of

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these bridges?
>> Uh, not necessarily. The National Bridge

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Inspection Standards are

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sometimes just keeping up with
[clears throat] having a load rating for

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a structure in the file, the electronic
file. And the Iowa DOT and Federal

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Highway Administration work on complete
perform audits of that system, the

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system that we use. and they they
completed an audit and found that we did

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not have proper load ratings on
a particular structure for example and

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by load ratings that means many
different um legal loads that we have to

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rate different configurations that we
are rating for. It's just it's not just

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one rating per structure.
all different load configurations that

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we need to have the bridge rated for to
be in compliance with uh these

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standards. So, no, it does not mean
necessarily that something is going to

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be posted.
>> I I will keep you posted on that if that

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does happen.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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» This is a resolution. Please answer as
your name is called.

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» Schwarz,
>> yes.

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» Grant,
>> yes.

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» Hall,
>> yes.

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» Curtenbach,
>> yes. Leland.

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» Yes. [clears throat]
>> Item nine, other business. This is a

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resolution to authorize the county
auditor to dispose of the following

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records that have met or exceeded their
applicable retention period. election

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records subject to the six-month and
22-month retention periods, including

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records from the 6424
primary, the 11524

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general, the January 28-25 board of
supervisors election to fill vacancy,

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and the March 4, 2025 Denver and
Gladbrook Ryan schools districts

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election county auction transfer records
for tax sale acquired. ired properties

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1950 to 2011.
Payment invoices from 2020 2021 and 22

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with pay dates from July 1st, 2020
through June 30, 2022.

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Accounts payable cash receipts from
fiscal year 14 to fiscal year 17 to

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accounts payable board lists,
warrant lists, and warrant registers

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from 1970 to 2012.
board certified copies of minutes and

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payroll records including employees W2s
as recommended by Karen Shoalter, County

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[clears throat] Auditor. So moved.
>> Second.

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» This is a resolution. Please answer as
your name is called and Karen owes me

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for just reading through that.
[laughter]

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» That's why she's not here today.
>> It's like payback time.

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» Thank you.
>> Uh Bran,

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» yes.
>> Paul,

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» yes.
>> Curtenbach,

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» yes.
>> Schwarz,

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» yes. Leilen.
>> Yes. Item B, resolution that the change

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order 007 received from Peter's
Construction for the Pinerest renovation

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project located at 1407 Independence
Avenue in the amount of 227,388

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be approved and for the chair to sign
for same as recommended by Rory Giving,

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facilities director.
>> So move second.

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» Good morning board. Rory Giving,
facilities director. Uh as you

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mentioned, this is change order seven.
Uh the bulk of this change order uh is

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for the uh southern entryways of the
building uh that we had spoke on

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earlier. Um the portion is uh $200,738
uh going towards those entryways. Uh the

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remaining portions of the change order
uh have to do with uh um some additional

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attic insulation that we had to uh
place. um due to deterioration over the

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years and then also it had some of it
had gotten knocked down um as we were

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installing some new equipment up there.
Uh so we felt it was in our best

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interest to get that replenished. Um
and then also some additional uh drywall

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work primarily in the uh clinic area and
that's primarily bulkheads for some

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additional piping that was put into that
area. Any questions on that? Rory, I was

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under impression we already approved
some work like this. Is this additional

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work that from
>> um in change order number five? We did

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some additional wall uh they uh some
openings uh we did some additional uh

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cutins for the clinic area. So we had to
do some additional drywall work for

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that. Um this is actually more for the
bulkheads for the piping, the hydronic

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system.
>> And there was one for entryways for the

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stoops and stuff as well. Uh the
entryway that was more of a uh I brought

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that in front of the board because it
was such a large dollar amount uh before

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we gave them approval. Uh this is just
to have it formally put in as a change

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order. Uh so just to get it uh uh
documented under the project. Uh so

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yeah, we did discuss that one uh pretty
extensively earlier on. I was wondering

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if that wasn't part of this, but
[clears throat]

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» it Yeah, it's this is more just a
formality to get it under a change order

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just to to uh get it locked into the
project.

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» Okay.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you. This is a resolution. Please
answer as your name is called.

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» Hall,
>> yes.

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» Curtainbot,
>> yes.

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» Schwarz,
>> yes.

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» Grant,
>> yes.

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» Leilen,
>> yes. [clears throat] Item C, resolution

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to approve the Blackhawk County Digital
Accessibility Plan, which establishes

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scope, priorities, and deliverables
necessary to achieve WCAG 2.1 level

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doubleA compliance by the April 26 27
deadline as recommended by the

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accessibility team.
>> Yes. Hi, Gabby Det, marketing

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coordinator, ALU, IT director. Just here
to answer any questions. Um, we're also

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representing Micah Kibble and Lorie
Wormers are also on our committee. Um,

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but also we have engaged about 66 staff
members that work on our county website,

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social media, and procurement that have
already started um, training. This is

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just kind of a formalized road map of
how we plan to get to that compliance

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and also just a culture of accessibility
in Blackhawk County. Um, it is a living

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document. will kind of eb and flow as as
we make progress uh through the

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checklist that we have. We've been
working with vendor Accessiblau and this

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has been the plan has been vetted um by
them as well.

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» Questions, I'm sure.

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» Yeah, I provided um I provided the plan
in full but also kind of a two-page

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cheat sheet that um our committee
created just to kind of give the

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highlights. Yeah.
Yeah. And then I also whenever you want

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have this really big binder anyone can
read. [laughter]

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» Make copies for us.
>> Yeah, sure. On your on your on your

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dime. [laughter]
>> Gabby, with all your research and stuff,

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do you see where we're going to see
additional costs or significant costs

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and doing some of this yet?
>> Possibly. Um

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so first it's the nice thing about the
plan is it kind of creates

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instead of having a policy it shows kind
our our due diligence and the fact that

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we're going to this is a process right
so we might not be at compliance by

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April 2027 but we may have some
recommendations especially going into

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budget um when it comes to captioning
one of the big things is having captions

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that are 90% accurate it. Um, we did get
guidance from Accessiblau that that's

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not necessarily a threshold for live
meetings, but for those uh those

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recordings that we post and that would
require a person to go sit and go

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through those captionings, but we might
there might be some type of um

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subscription or vendor or something that
can help with that. Uh, so that's stuff

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that is on our list, but yes, there
there could be um we're we are of the

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mindset and Jeff from Accessiblue is of
the mindset that this is more of a

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building accessible culture in our in
our workplace versus kind of throwing

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money at a lot of different vendor
solutions that really are just kind of a

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band-aid fix and not really a uh systems
fix. So the plan really focuses on

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fixing forward because it doesn't do any
good to to remediate old documents if

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you are currently making new documents
that are out of compliance. So um yes

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there may be some cost but um really the
plan is more about educating and kind of

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just having that accessibility mindset.

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» Are we on track to be done by April 27?
No. Um, we won't be done. Um,

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[clears throat]
we will have some of the biggies and and

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we will be doing a prioritization so
that like the big things are are tackled

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by April of 2027, but we have [sighs]
hundreds of PDFs on our website right

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now. We're working through those to see
which even don't even need to be there.

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And then then we'll prioritize the ones
that are being hit most often to get

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them updated first and then work through
the others. So it's a it is a path to

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compliance and having that plan shows
that we are um doing our we are making

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that progress and we we have a plan for
completion even if it's not completed by

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April of 2027.
>> Is there a deadline for that

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» when that work has to be completed?
>> No that April 26 2027 deadline is the

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deadline for communities greater than
50,000 and so that is

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» but that's effectively to have the plan.
Well, that's no, that is the deadline,

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but the guidance we've gotten from
Accessiblue is that it's going to be

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very hard for people to be 100%
compliant by that deadline. So, showing

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how you're getting there is part of that
process. And so, if we were to get a

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legal claim, I'm looking at you, Mike.
If we were to get a legal claim um about

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say an old PDF that somebody wanted and
they said that they couldn't access it

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because it wasn't a remediated document.
We could show our path to prioritization

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through PDFs and that would be showing
that we are we are in process and if we

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then provide the document remediated it
should um keep us from having legal

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problems. That makes sense. Um, so
basically what you're saying is they

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will, you know, say, "Hey, look, this is
not a uh this is not a compliant

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document." We'll say, "Well, you know,
under our prioritization, that wasn't

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considered one that was likely to come
up, but here we'll we'll expedite the

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review of this and we'll remediate it
now."

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» Yes, exactly.
>> Just wondering, is there an anticipated

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date? I know you said there's hundreds
of those PDFs that you would

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» Well, we're going to try to get as close
to that April deadline as possible. I I

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suspect um there's quite a few of those
PDFs that we really just don't need to

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have on our website anymore. So, that
will be the first first thing. And we'll

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work with departments whose the PDFs are
linked in their area to see which ones

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we need. Some of those PDFs can be
changed to a like a a web page that

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makes them compliant. So the goal is to
have as le few PDFs on the website as

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possible and then start remediating
those.

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[clears throat]

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But that's a culture shift because you
know we are a PDF mindset

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» and we can track every PDF how often
it's been checked or clicked on. We'll

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have a um a tracking document for all
the PDFs to show like the decision

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matrix and um what has been decided for
all of those. Yeah.

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» Okay.

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» Thank you for all your work on this.
Nice to have a team working on it.

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» Yes. [laughter]
>> Any other questions?

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» That's the resolution. Please answer
your name.

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» I'm sorry. We don't have a resolution
yet.

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» So moved.
>> Second.

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» Just jump right in. You catch him.
>> I guess I did. Yes.

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» I'm so excited about it. [laughter]

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» Curtainbot,
>> yes.

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» Schwarz,
>> yes.

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» Brandt,
>> yes.

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» Hall,
>> yes.

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» Leilen,
>> yes. [clears throat]

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» Thank you.
>> Great. Moving on to item D. This will be

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a discussion possible board action
concerning proposed animal control

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ordinance.
>> All right. I'll go ahead and start on

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this if that's all right. [laughter]
>> Thank you. bit. So, um, as the board and

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I think others are aware, um, week ago,
Friday,

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I, uh, pushed out another draft and if
you've been keeping count this, I think

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you might notice I switched from three
to five. That was because I had an a

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draft for myself in between. Uh but
anyway, first of all, these are the the

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kind of highlevel changes and then I'll
get into some of the more detailed

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aspects in a second here. But uh first
of all, we made it uh title 19 under our

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uh county court code of ordinances. And
the reason for that is uh while there

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were a number of titles between the
existing titles that were termed as

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reserved,
uh technically reserved is supposed to

420
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:44,720
have a meeting meaning. And so the last
title that was listed was 18. So the

421
00:30:40,720 --> 00:30:53,120
next logical one is 19. And that kind of
acts as our uh as our you know chapter

422
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:59,679
number so to speak. Now uh on section
19.02

423
00:30:55,120 --> 00:31:06,640
uh subsection 19 we have added a
definition for repeat offense. Uh this

424
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:12,240
was in response to u a concern that was
brought up when we last discussed this

425
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:16,559
which is uh what about offenses as they
go on? Can we make them worse? And yes,

426
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:22,880
we are making the penalties worse. But
as a result, we are defining under this

427
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:27,360
uh subsection, we are defining a uh what
a second offense, third offense, etc.

428
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:33,440
are.
Um

429
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:42,720
next, we actually add uh sections or
subsections 19.04, sub6 and sub7, which

430
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:50,080
provide for what our civil penalties
are. Now, a board only has authority to

431
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:56,640
uh to enforce civil penalties or civil
fines against violators.

432
00:31:52,799 --> 00:32:02,799
And uh and so what I've done, we have a
maximum penalty under law for a first

433
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:10,000
offense of $750 and a maximum penalty
for subsequent offenses of a,000. And so

434
00:32:05,919 --> 00:32:15,919
what I set up here was a was a, you
know, kind of a tiered offense or a

435
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:23,039
tiered uh civil penalty range. I
assigned $500 for the first offense,

436
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:26,480
$750 for the second and 1,000 for
subsequent offenses. I would hope we

437
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:33,679
would not be getting into fourth and
fifth and beyond that, but uh 1,000 is

438
00:32:29,919 --> 00:32:41,760
the most we can charge. Uh in addition
to uh those penalties, violators would

439
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:48,080
be responsible for animal related costs
as are uh deter indicated under section

440
00:32:46,159 --> 00:32:54,880
19.05
subsection 9. And so that is mentioned

441
00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:59,279
in 1904
subsection 9.

442
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:04,880
Um, [clears throat]
but it uh

443
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:08,080
it is it is stated again, this gets
confusing because they're both

444
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:16,480
subsection 9, but it is actually uh
they're actually laid out as to uh what

445
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:20,080
those costs are in 19.05 sub9.
Um,

446
00:33:19,039 --> 00:33:24,080
moving on.
>> I have a question before we move on. Do

447
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:27,360
we need to have three tiers or is that
was just a

448
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:32,720
» that we don't need to. We could have two
tiers if we wanted. We could have 500 to

449
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:38,720
a,000. We could have 750 to a,000. Uh,
it's okay to have 750 as a first level.

450
00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:42,320
Um, I thought three tiers made sense.
Uh, that was simply why I put that in

451
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:44,799
there, but the board can decide
otherwise.

452
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:47,840
» Okay. I was just thinking I kind of like
the I hate to say it, three strikes,

453
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:51,120
you're out, but if kind of like you've
had a dog bite another dog twice, I

454
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,320
guess I don't want to wait for the third
time.

455
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:55,919
» Yeah.
>> Half a person or either one. I just kind

456
00:33:54,159 --> 00:34:01,760
of thought you've been warned. you've
had an offense and a charge and now

457
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:04,159
we've escalated that charge or fee and
that we're done with it at that point.

458
00:34:03,679 --> 00:34:08,800
But
>> that is certainly doable provided that

459
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:14,000
the board understands that
>> first offense cannot be higher than 750

460
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:18,240
and subsequent offenses cannot be higher
than a,000. So you could make that

461
00:34:16,079 --> 00:34:22,079
second offense a th000 if you want
regardless of what you make the first

462
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:27,200
offense. So, are you thinking just
scrapping that that $500 initial

463
00:34:25,679 --> 00:34:31,040
offense,
go straight to 750?

464
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:34,399
» Well, that'd be fine with me. I really
didn't care. But I just thought, yeah, I

465
00:34:32,399 --> 00:34:38,399
like it both. I like the escalating side
of it that it goes up high enough that

466
00:34:35,919 --> 00:34:44,000
it's like, okay, should have got your
attention, but it didn't. But

467
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:47,919
» I don't know. I
>> I think 500 I'm good with. I like that.

468
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:55,200
Sometimes things happen that you can't
control. And then after that it it's

469
00:34:51,839 --> 00:34:58,480
reckless or habitual or and then it I
think it's more deserving of a stiffer

470
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:02,000
fine
>> rather than just jumping straight to

471
00:35:00,720 --> 00:35:04,960
750.
>> So a five and a thousand kind of a one

472
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:09,839
and two.
>> Yes. kind of what I was thinking as

473
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:16,320
well, knowing since having dogs when I
was growing up, there was always those

474
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:20,880
situations that could be a surprise,
but making sure it doesn't happen again

475
00:35:18,000 --> 00:35:27,200
the second time's
>> Yeah.

476
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:30,480
So maybe look at 500 for the first,000
for the second. That's kind of what I'm

477
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:33,760
hearing. And of course this can be
changed when we're ready to tee this up

478
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:37,040
for
>> for publication eventually.

479
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:43,599
» Thank you.
>> Um

480
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:50,880
so again um uh 19.05
subsection 9

481
00:35:46,240 --> 00:35:54,560
uh defines what animal related costs
are.

482
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:59,920
And I'll just go ahead and read from
this. Animal related costs incurred as a

483
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:04,160
result of violation of this title,
including costs of empoundment,

484
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:10,480
boarding, veterinary examination or
treatment, vaccination, transportation,

485
00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:13,280
medication, and other necessary animal
care [clears throat]

486
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:17,599
shall be the responsibility of the
person found to have committed the

487
00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:22,880
violation in addition to any civil
penalty, court costs, and other costs or

488
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:27,280
relief authorized by law. Basically,
what this does is it sets out that, you

489
00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:33,040
know, if we got to take care of an
animal that's been impounded,

490
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:38,079
um, those costs are going to be added to
the system. [cough]

491
00:36:34,275 --> 00:36:43,599
[clears throat] Um, and that is I I'm
believe that was where we wanted to go

492
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:52,320
on that. So, that makes sense. Now, um
this we had talked last time about

493
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:58,640
authorizing uh the county without a
court order in certain instances

494
00:36:55,680 --> 00:37:02,640
to order the uh destruction of an
animal.

495
00:37:00,160 --> 00:37:12,480
And
this has been set up in here and I will

496
00:37:08,160 --> 00:37:19,280
first of all it's in uh 19.05 5 and it
begins uh with

497
00:37:15,359 --> 00:37:26,800
subsection 10.
Um I had an in indention error there but

498
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:31,440
that uh that's easily fixed. Uh
subsection 10 sets up an animal

499
00:37:28,720 --> 00:37:36,800
disposition review committee. And that
is because [snorts]

500
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:43,520
uh later on if you look specifically at
subsection 12 it states uh before an

501
00:37:41,440 --> 00:37:51,119
animal is euthanized and that's
subsection 11 sets forth that

502
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:58,800
um except as provided in subsection 13
which deals with emergency euthanasia of

503
00:37:54,640 --> 00:38:04,000
an animal. Um, the animal disposition
review committee shall review the

504
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:08,880
circumstances and make the final county
disposition decision whether euthanasia

505
00:38:07,040 --> 00:38:13,440
is authorized.
And subsection 13 talks about an

506
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:18,079
emergency situation where it's got to be
decided more quickly or in an e

507
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:22,800
circumstance.
Subsection 14

508
00:38:20,720 --> 00:38:26,640
uh talks about what the committee can
consider.

509
00:38:24,320 --> 00:38:31,440
Subsection 15 requires that their
determination be in writing. And

510
00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:36,720
subsection 16 is a bit of a savings
clause which says that nothing uh shall

511
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:44,160
be construed to authorize disposition of
an animal in a manner or in a

512
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:50,800
circumstance prohibited by state law.
Now, as I want to back up here to

513
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:55,760
subsection 10, which designates people
to be involved on this committee. Um, as

514
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:59,920
the board is aware, there's been some
correspondence with the director of

515
00:38:57,359 --> 00:39:06,079
public health, uh, who has some concerns
with being involved in that capacity.

516
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:11,280
This
leaves, you know, kind of an opening

517
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:21,440
since I think ideally you want three or
five on this. Um, odd numbers are nice

518
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:26,542
on these. And uh so I do think that this
certainly isn't a required duty of the

519
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:30,480
director of health. So I absent uh the
[clears throat] board of health imposing

520
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:37,359
that duty upon her, it can't be imposed
by this board. Um but not only uh but

521
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:40,640
for that reason, I I'm sensitive to
those concerns. Um, I don't think

522
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:46,400
there's anything that prevents her from
doing it, but at the same time, if uh if

523
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:50,960
there's concerns on their end with that
on on public health's end, I think we

524
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:54,400
should be sensitive to that. And so, we
should come up with somebody else and we

525
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:58,560
can talk about this in a little bit if
you want or the board can think about it

526
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:03,280
and come back in our next discussion.
Um, we've got the sheriff on here. We've

527
00:40:01,119 --> 00:40:09,117
got the board of supervisors chair on
here. In either circumstance, that

528
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:12,560
individual can designate someone else. I
[clears throat] am curious what the

529
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:17,839
sheriff thinks about it. I uh this is a
a law enforcement matter, so I think it

530
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:20,800
makes sense to have somebody uh from the
sheriff's office on here.

531
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:24,640
» My only concern, I actually had a note
on that is if that's making kind of

532
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:30,079
making it's going to be my deputies
doing this, does it kind of make me

533
00:40:26,240 --> 00:40:34,960
judge, jury, and executioner on it?
>> It

534
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:39,040
can. Um there is an appeal process
however unless you're in an emergency

535
00:40:37,520 --> 00:40:44,400
situation.
So it can uh but at the same time the

536
00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:48,400
the nice thing about having a committee
and and so it doesn't require that you

537
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:52,720
be that individual. The nice thing about
having a committee is there's a an

538
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:56,160
opportunity for discussion and for
different viewpoints to be heard.

539
00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:02,079
» I'm fine being on I just kind of wanted
to make sure from a legal standpoint.

540
00:40:59,839 --> 00:41:07,280
Well, it's, you know, we're we're doing
this all within the uh likely within

541
00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:11,280
county government unless we want to set
up where we have to designate a

542
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:15,760
committee that includes people outside
of government. And I think it gets very

543
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:20,480
complicated at that point because
number one, um you want to have this

544
00:41:18,319 --> 00:41:25,040
committee be standing so that they can
consider things on short notice. Uh

545
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:28,000
having somebody outside of government
means we would have to appoint that

546
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:32,240
committee. We would have to update that
committee every year, every couple of

547
00:41:30,720 --> 00:41:35,839
years, or however, you know, it's just
one more committee we have to staff.

548
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:40,880
Yes.
>> Can we have two board members?

549
00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:44,000
» I I don't see anything that would
prevent that. So, we could have two

550
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:47,520
board members.
>> I just think with the peeling board,

551
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:50,640
too, like what if it's our ordinance,
why not just put it on our shoulders?

552
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,880
» And you can.
>> That just makes I'm with Caitlyn. She's

553
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:57,440
got enough on her plate and her team
does anyway. like they don't need

554
00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:01,440
anything else extra.
>> Well, and I am not asking that this

555
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,560
remain that she remain on.
>> I know. I know.

556
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:09,520
» That's the same page I'm on. I like the
idea of just having us be the appeal

557
00:42:06,720 --> 00:42:14,480
board and I think two members from the
board supervisors on that review

558
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:19,119
committee takes care of it.
>> Let me uh think about that a little more

559
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:22,640
just in case I have anything come up
before our next discussion, but off the

560
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:27,440
top of my head, I don't see any problem
with that. And so uh two would be the

561
00:42:25,839 --> 00:42:31,680
limit though unless you want to convene
a meeting of the board of supervisors

562
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:39,359
every time. So
um we can decide too whether we want

563
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:43,040
those two to be designated say at the
beginning of the year when we have our

564
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:46,079
organizational meeting. I think that
probably makes the most sense.

565
00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:54,834
Otherwise, you would have to designate
at the time of the uh of the violation

566
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:58,480
or of the you know uh calling to
[snorts]

567
00:42:55,359 --> 00:43:03,359
to meet the uh animal disposition review
committee. So I I think it probably

568
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:09,520
makes sense to designate the chair and
somebody else or two somebody else's on

569
00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:12,720
the board uh to to serve on this
committee maybe at the beginning of each

570
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:19,599
year when we have the organizational
meeting.

571
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:24,240
Um, moving right along.
Um,

572
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:32,079
» sorry, Mike. When when a complaint does
come and and

573
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:35,280
» will you or someone from legal
be in those meetings?

574
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:38,480
» I certainly can.
>> I certainly can. And I

575
00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:41,040
» I guess that would that would so
>> or a member

576
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:44,480
» or a member of the committee which would
probably I think be the

577
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:48,960
» well and and technically I could be a
member of the committee. I think it

578
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:52,640
» is probably better for me to be there to
advise the committee

579
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,920
» and have the committee be other people
but

580
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:58,240
» but tech to answer your question it
could be

581
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:02,079
» put up that way.
>> Yeah. I think from a legal standpoint,

582
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:07,920
we'd want that.
>> Now, the uh the other change I made was

583
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:11,760
I just eliminated the policy concerns
that I previously had listed at the end

584
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:16,720
because I think we fleshed through those
pretty well last meeting. Um if anybody

585
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:22,640
has any concerns about any of those,
feel free to refer back to draft three

586
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:27,920
or or ask me for it. I can provide that
if you wanted to review those again. But

587
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:35,520
we did have an additional concern arise
uh yesterday also uh from public health

588
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:41,119
that I did not uh I did not address at
this time because I was not aware of it

589
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:46,640
uh until then. And that is the the right
to appeal. Now, and this is kind of

590
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:52,560
where uh Sheriff Nef's comment about
judge, jury, and executioner here uh

591
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:59,119
comes into play because ultimately the
sheriff is the first avenue of appeal of

592
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:04,400
any decision that is made to site for a
violation that could be made by you know

593
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:10,560
law enforcement officer in this case.
But

594
00:45:06,079 --> 00:45:16,560
then uh there can be an appeal to it. It
was set to an additional appeal board.

595
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:21,520
Now we had set that up initially or I
had set that up initially as the board

596
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:26,000
of health. Um there are some concerns
that have been raised about the board of

597
00:45:23,280 --> 00:45:31,440
health serving in that capacity and it
is not a specified duty of the board of

598
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:36,480
health under chapter 137 of the Iowa
code. Uh it also is not a prohibited

599
00:45:34,319 --> 00:45:40,880
role at the board of health because the
board of health is a an independent

600
00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:44,160
board or an autonomous board. Uh while
they are appointed by the board of

601
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:47,040
supervisors, they don't take their
marching orders from the board of

602
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:52,000
supervisors. So they would have to
approve that role. Uh but it's been

603
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:57,760
suggested that they perhaps should not
serve uh that role. So now we we need to

604
00:45:55,119 --> 00:46:03,520
have some kind or we could have some
kind of a role for an appeal board

605
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:07,520
unless we decided that once the sheriff
decides they can go to court. Uh that

606
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:12,480
would be the other option. It's not to
have an appeal board on here as I had

607
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:16,640
initially set up. Now that appeal board
could be potentially the board of

608
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:22,880
supervisors.
Uh it could be some other board that the

609
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:29,760
board sets up um that may or may not
include one or more supervisors.

610
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:34,319
Um it I don't I can't think of another
board that it would logically

611
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:39,920
that would logically serve as [cough]
capacity, you know, like VA commission

612
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:45,119
or conservation or civil service. I
didn't think they as logically fit into

613
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:51,200
that and we would have some of the same
potential concerns raised as to well

614
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:56,319
these are not under our uh they're not
statutoily specified duties of those

615
00:46:54,640 --> 00:47:00,800
boards then the boards would have to
approve that but you know that would be

616
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:05,359
a possibility though to use one of those
other boards. I had mentioned in my last

617
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:09,520
email to the board last evening and I
realized this is pretty late in the

618
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:13,440
game. I think it was five or so last
night. Uh but I mentioned the

619
00:47:11,599 --> 00:47:17,839
possibility of the board of supervisors
serving in this capacity. I don't see

620
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:22,400
any legal impediment to that. Uh but the
board

621
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:26,560
to decide on this issue, I think you
have to decide two things. Number one,

622
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:32,800
you have to you have to want that board
to begin with. And I think it makes

623
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:38,880
sense to have it uh because it it might
eliminate unnecessary

624
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:45,520
court involvement of the county on these
issues. Uh but number two, you have to

625
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:51,119
decide who you want on it. And so that
is another change that I think needs to

626
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:55,119
be made. Um I don't I think there was
you know it was a valid concern that was

627
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:59,040
raised concerning the board of health
and for that reason and while again

628
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:04,079
they're not legally prohibited from
doing this in my opinion I uh I'm

629
00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:07,040
sensitive to their concerns and I I
think the board should be as well

630
00:48:05,359 --> 00:48:11,680
especially since they'll have to approve
that role themselves. So I think it

631
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:16,560
probably makes sense to designate a
different appeal board. That's the one

632
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:18,560
I'm us.
>> What's that?

633
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:20,720
» Like that's where I was referring to us.
We are the appeal board.

634
00:48:19,839 --> 00:48:26,000
» Yeah. You ask.
>> I mean it not us I think us not being it

635
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:30,800
is a cowardous way to put another group
of people in front of us

636
00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:35,200
» out of fear we might not get votes.
>> You know what I mean? Like over upset

637
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:37,440
some people. Uh we're going to find
they're going to appeal their case.

638
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:42,160
They're going to come to us and then
we're going to find them guilty. We come

639
00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:45,440
up with the ordinance. We adopt it. we
get to be responsible for the appeals. I

640
00:48:44,240 --> 00:48:47,680
think
>> that's the simplest way to get through

641
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:52,559
this.
>> That's certainly one way to do it. If we

642
00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:59,040
do it, it makes uh makes my job easier
cuz it's a it's a simple replacement in

643
00:48:55,200 --> 00:49:03,119
the document. Um I just want, you know,
it's got to be a board decision.

644
00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:08,079
» I'm comfortable with with us as the
appeal board. I think if we do that, it

645
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:12,000
probably makes most sense for us to not
have two supervisors on that initial

646
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:14,000
board. Otherwise,
>> that's where it's going.

647
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:18,160
» Once that decisions made, you're
effectively

648
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:20,880
» if there's a euthanasia decision.
>> Correct.

649
00:49:19,359 --> 00:49:23,839
» Yeah.
Do you think this would be a

650
00:49:22,240 --> 00:49:28,960
conversation that we could have with
Cedar Bend, who we already have a

651
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:36,319
contract with for animal control to see
I understand your hesitance for an out a

652
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:41,760
non-county government uh person on that
board, but we do have a relationship

653
00:49:38,240 --> 00:49:47,760
with an entity that does provide some of
the services to these animals. Um that

654
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:53,119
would
likely prevent

655
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:57,680
it would probably be the full scope I
would suspect

656
00:49:55,119 --> 00:50:01,200
» of input in whatever deliberation that
is

657
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:05,440
» and maybe what we could do is you make
the

658
00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:10,400
you know the president or the executive
or how however that person is titled I

659
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:15,280
don't remember off the top of my head um
be one of those people and then put it

660
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:19,359
as a condition or put it as part of our
contract with them. One of my concerns

661
00:50:17,359 --> 00:50:25,359
that I have with setting up a committee
that involves volunteer members is that

662
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:29,520
well, first of all, if we decide that
we're going to assemble that committee

663
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:33,119
only at the time that we realize we need
that committee, well then are we going

664
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:39,359
to be able to assemble that committee
quickly enough? That's one concern.

665
00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:44,240
Secondly, if we have, you know, if we
designate that committee right away, we

666
00:50:42,240 --> 00:50:50,240
get our volunteers and everything, well,
we may go hopefully years without having

667
00:50:47,920 --> 00:50:54,160
to worry about this. I like to think
that anyway.

668
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:59,200
» Yeah. But if we get all of a sudden to a
point where, you know, six, 10, whatever

669
00:50:56,720 --> 00:51:05,760
years down the road, we realize, oh,
we've got to do this and we somehow that

670
00:51:02,319 --> 00:51:09,760
committee was not actively,
for lack of a better term, maintained

671
00:51:08,055 --> 00:51:13,920
[laughter] by the board over the years,
and this happens sometimes where we have

672
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:18,400
committees kind of fall dormant because
of [clears throat]

673
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:24,079
uh because of lack of activity.
then trying to assemble that committee

674
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:28,400
could be difficult on the spot there.
So, it makes sense to do what you're

675
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:33,520
saying where you say, "Okay, well,
whatever our contract organization that

676
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:38,079
that organization's director or the
director's design would serve on that

677
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:41,839
committee along with the sheriff and one
member of the board of supervisors,

678
00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:45,599
chair of the board of supervisors." Does
that make sense?

679
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:49,920
» Hey, I think we're making progress here.
>> I don't think we're going to get any

680
00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:53,599
volunteers. for this [laughter] car. Uh,
this this isn't a fun one.

681
00:51:51,359 --> 00:51:56,960
» It would probably be a very thankless
job. Be a depressing circumstance, I'm

682
00:51:56,319 --> 00:52:01,119
sure.
>> Everybody's head is down. It's like

683
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:05,520
church and the plates's coming around.
>> Yeah. No, nobody [laughter] likes nobody

684
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:08,480
likes to think about this. I mean, most
people [clears throat] have a pet or

685
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:11,440
have had one at some point
>> until it's their pet that was attacked.

686
00:52:10,480 --> 00:52:19,119
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. So, it's a uh So, it seems like

687
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:24,480
let me uh let me work up some language.
And is it how does the rest of the board

688
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:27,480
feel about Supervisor Hall's suggestion
here?

689
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:35,920
Instead of two supervisors and the
sheriff, do one one supervisor be

690
00:52:33,119 --> 00:52:43,200
designated as the chair designate and
then uh and then the director of our

691
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:48,480
contract animal care organization
and the sheriff who would be on here. Of

692
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,319
course, that assumes we've got a
contract in place.

693
00:52:49,839 --> 00:52:52,720
» Got it.
>> Yeah,

694
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,240
» I think that that works.
>> Yeah.

695
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:56,960
» Okay.
>> And you've got your three that way, too.

696
00:52:55,920 --> 00:53:04,079
» Yeah.
Well, that's that is good progress then.

697
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:09,359
» All right. So, if I understand u my
marching orders at this point correctly

698
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:14,079
and this is not a lengthy change to have
to make and document [snorts] it can be

699
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:18,960
done fairly efficiently and I should be
able to have something back to you by

700
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:25,839
tomorrow sometime. Then what I will do
is I will make it um [snorts]

701
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:30,160
uh the
board chair of the board of supervisors

702
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:36,800
or designate the sheriff or designate
and then instead of the health director

703
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:43,520
we would do director
of the contract animal and I'll look up

704
00:53:41,839 --> 00:53:45,760
the correct terms for this. We're
talking about Cedar Ben.

705
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,760
» Cedar Ben. Yeah, that's
>> We should probably reach out to Cedar

706
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:50,480
Ben.
>> Oh, I thought about them looking at this

707
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,240
anyway before we
>> Yeah.

708
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:55,520
» went too far, too. Just
>> and and I was going to say we may want

709
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:58,960
to run the whole word and inspire them
to see what concerns they have as well.

710
00:53:57,839 --> 00:54:04,040
So, yeah.
>> So, that for first that'll be 19.05

711
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:14,559
subsection 10. And then as far as
um 19.14

712
00:54:11,680 --> 00:54:19,839
which deals with appeals
um I'll change the

713
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:23,400
the final county appeal board to be the
board of supervisors

714
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:33,760
and we'll go from there. So would they
bring that appeal to the board office

715
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:38,720
and for filing?
>> Um

716
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:44,640
yes they would have to I think and I
will I will go ahead and right now it

717
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:49,040
says under 19.14
sub 10 [snorts] it says the appeal to

718
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:53,520
the board of health shall be in writing
and shall identify the sheriff's

719
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:59,280
decision being appealed in the grounds
for the appeal. So what I could do there

720
00:54:56,880 --> 00:55:05,359
is well obviously we change health to
supervisors [clears throat]

721
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:12,240
but we could also uh maybe specify that
the it has to be delivered in writing to

722
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:15,240
the board of supervisors office at
>> okay

723
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:28,960
» Dan I was going to say you had
opportunity to read through and and um

724
00:55:26,720 --> 00:55:33,359
were there anything questions you might
have or [snorts]

725
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:38,240
» the only thing I would say is there has
not been any policy in the county for

726
00:55:36,160 --> 00:55:44,800
dangerous dogs.
So, I know the sheriff or the deputies

727
00:55:42,559 --> 00:55:49,440
investigate all these claims and that's
where some of the frustration came is

728
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:53,839
they've got owners that tell them well
you can't do anything basically because

729
00:55:51,599 --> 00:56:00,079
it's county.
I think if the deputies when they

730
00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:04,640
investigate these stock owners that
haven't been responsible with the test,

731
00:56:02,240 --> 00:56:09,920
let them know there's new ordinance, you
might want to check it out,

732
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:14,880
future problems. And I think that might
get the word out which makes things

733
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:21,803
everybody's job a little easier
less responses less in

734
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:25,359
» and in addition to that perhaps
[clears throat] if we can advise them

735
00:56:23,520 --> 00:56:30,960
they can also enforce certain state
statutes too which do make some of these

736
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:36,079
I believe actual crimes. I'd have to go
look back at those. But yeah,

737
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:41,760
so they do, you know, sheriff's deputies
have that authority as law enforcement

738
00:56:38,079 --> 00:56:46,559
officers as well. In the event that
there is

739
00:56:44,400 --> 00:56:55,359
there's documented issues with a
particular dog, right?

740
00:56:51,040 --> 00:57:00,240
Will they if we go 500 and a,000 if
that's the scale? If we've already got

741
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:05,920
that documentation,
we're still that there's still that

742
00:57:02,640 --> 00:57:11,040
first once this is passed
now it's enforced. It's it's not

743
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:17,520
retroactive or is it?
>> It is not retroactive. You can't do

744
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:22,160
that. Um but and I I apologize for not
mentioning the first offense subsequent

745
00:57:19,839 --> 00:57:29,680
offense change as well. I'll make that
change as well to it. We won't have a a

746
00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:32,160
separate section for a uh
>> be wrong, but I was thinking you

747
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:37,040
couldn't go to a thousand until a third
offense. I might be wrong.

748
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:41,040
» I will triple check that. I believe that
you could do as a second offense, but if

749
00:57:39,749 --> 00:57:45,520
[snorts] not,
>> um I will leave it the way it is set up

750
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:49,760
and I'll explain it to the board when I
when I send out the new draft.

751
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:55,359
» Thank you for that though.
So Mike is a new ordinance then do we

752
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:58,960
have timelines [snorts] in between that
we I think it's three readings we have

753
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:04,480
to go through. Is there a timeline that
we have to wait for each reading?

754
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:08,559
» There is I had meant to be have that all
specified out in front of you today. I

755
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:10,880
do not have that information off the top
of my head but I'll get that in the

756
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:15,359
email as well.
>> I I was understanding it couldn't be

757
00:58:13,599 --> 00:58:18,400
three weeks in a row. It had to be there
some timeline between

758
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:23,040
» Yeah. I'm I'm going to double check
that. I can't answer that off the top of

759
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:26,040
my head, but I will get you that answer.
>> Okay.

760
00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:32,319
» So, then we maybe want to have something
on next week's agenda you're thinking

761
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:35,319
for setting that hearing process.
>> Yep.

762
00:58:36,735 --> 00:58:41,119
[clears throat]
>> All right. Anything else on that?

763
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:44,000
» Outstanding work, Mike. Thank you.
>> Y we're we're moving in the right

764
00:58:42,640 --> 00:58:49,440
direction and thank you for
>> uh I got one for a question for Sheriff

765
00:58:45,839 --> 00:58:52,960
Nef. Yep. As far as you know, since the
last two and a half months we've been

766
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:56,880
working on this, have there been any
similar complaints out there in the

767
00:58:54,640 --> 00:59:01,520
county about dogs biting people that
you're aware of? I know of one

768
00:59:00,160 --> 00:59:07,040
individual that didn't come through my
office, just through personally where uh

769
00:59:03,920 --> 00:59:10,880
his dog got a hold of the the mail
delivery person and uh he ended up

770
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:15,520
paying for the vet bills and stuff
outside of that. But as far as calls

771
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:21,280
coming in, I'm not familiar with any.
>> Okay. So then

772
00:59:19,119 --> 00:59:24,960
» it's not a big thing that we do. I mean
we get complaints on dogs. the dog

773
00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:30,720
attacks aren't the dogs running loose in
the county are. Um, and yeah, as said,

774
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:35,040
we get called out and we say, "Sorry,
there's no ordinance for your dog

775
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:39,920
running loose. I'm le and until that dog
starts getting into the chickens or

776
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:44,000
whatever else, which this will that
>> I'm just wondering how quickly we can

777
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:47,280
get this adopted and then can we make
amendments to it if it just doesn't

778
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:52,799
cover everything later? How difficult is
that to make any changes to it?" So, the

779
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:57,200
I'm going to get you the the passage
process and I'll let you know if there

780
00:59:54,559 --> 01:00:00,960
are any shortcuts that you can employ. I
believe there are ways to wave the

781
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:05,359
second, third readings on that or to
only have one reading or only have two

782
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:09,280
readings. Um, but I'll try and specify
all of that for you. Uh, number two,

783
01:00:07,680 --> 01:00:14,559
when you pass an amendment to an
ordinance, it has to pass via the same

784
01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:18,000
procedure that you pass an ordinance.
So, it's it's like passing the ordinance

785
01:00:16,559 --> 01:00:21,839
all over again.
>> Okay? and and that's that's not a

786
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:26,400
terribly ownorous process, but it's
because when you change the law, you're

787
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:29,920
effectively creating a new law
>> and it helps with getting word out the

788
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:35,760
more times you have it
>> it's read. [clears throat]

789
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:40,319
» I I thought initially it was my gut that
this one was maybe one you want to go

790
01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:42,720
through the three readings on, but
that's that ultimately is up to the

791
01:00:42,079 --> 01:00:45,520
board.
>> Can you can do two though? You could

792
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:49,839
wave one of the
>> Yep. can still do

793
01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:53,200
» I believe so and I'll I'll specify that.
>> Okay.

794
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,400
» Thanks. Great.
>> You bet.

795
01:00:53,680 --> 01:00:56,480
» Thanks very much.
>> You bet.

796
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,599
» That was a lot more extensive than what
we thought initially how easy to do

797
01:00:58,799 --> 01:01:04,400
this. So,
>> it's kind of amazing all the things that

798
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:08,480
come up when you start digging in on
something like this. So, yeah. All

799
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:11,440
right. Well, let me know if there are
any other questions. You know how to get

800
01:01:09,839 --> 01:01:15,599
a hold of me. And and my one thing to
point out though is for like the

801
01:01:13,839 --> 01:01:19,440
mistreatment cases and stuff those are
still going straight to me outside the

802
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:23,599
scope of this ordinance like you know
he's correct there's no dangerous dog

803
01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:27,040
it's pretty limited but in terms of the
mistreatment parts that's coming to us

804
01:01:25,680 --> 01:01:30,240
anyway and the forfeite [clears throat]
of animals also coming to us so outside

805
01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:35,200
the scope of this.
>> Yep. So there there's still crimes under

806
01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:38,960
state law and otherwise. So yeah or at
least under state law. And Nate, this do

807
01:01:37,359 --> 01:01:42,160
you feel this answers the questions for
your department? I guess since they were

808
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:47,040
the ones always called and [snorts]
>> Oh, yeah. This definitely this

809
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:50,000
» clears it up far more than than in more
detail than what I was expecting, but it

810
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:53,839
definitely helps it out. And kind of to
Brian's point, too, we've got uh one now

811
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:59,760
where we've got we did an investigation
on a animal euthanized and suspicious

812
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:04,160
terms anyway, and he's got his office
has that. So yeah, there's a lot of the

813
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:08,559
criminal stuff that we still look at in
that realm, but uh but this will clear

814
01:02:06,079 --> 01:02:11,599
up a lot of the more than I can most of
the smaller stuff, but uh and obviously

815
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:18,280
once we get into euthanization stuff,
obviously there is bigger things at hand

816
01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:18,280
there, too. So thank you.

817
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:25,760
» All right.
All right. Moving on to item 9E,

818
01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:31,440
discussion and possible board action on
additional budget authorization policy.

819
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:36,079
Shall we
Yeah, I wasn't sure we'd get to this

820
01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:39,200
part. I didn't know if you were going to
do a power, not a PowerPoint, but I had

821
01:02:37,920 --> 01:02:43,920
them on
>> screen or not.

822
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:47,599
» And [clears throat] if you give me just
a second here to get organized.

823
01:02:57,839 --> 01:03:05,599
I've now taken the um just briefly I've
taken the conversations we've had and

824
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:10,480
created
a document that would work more as a

825
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:16,520
policy
based on what we keep talking about. So

826
01:03:17,733 --> 01:03:19,753
[snorts]

827
01:03:23,839 --> 01:03:27,559
wild this way.

828
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:44,160
Okay, Elf, you want to hit the button
for us? That would be nice.

829
01:03:48,799 --> 01:03:57,760
So, I've tried to address different
reasons that a department might be

830
01:03:55,440 --> 01:04:03,760
requesting a budget amendment. You've
got one-time use of carryover. Now,

831
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:10,960
there are two ways to look at that.
There are some issues that a department

832
01:04:08,240 --> 01:04:15,920
for whatever reason didn't get budget
that was allocated to them in a prior

833
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:22,720
year. They didn't get it use it. So
there's that request. But there's also a

834
01:04:19,039 --> 01:04:27,039
way just to request to use
reserves basically. And this really only

835
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:33,200
applies to
the general fund departments. Other

836
01:04:29,599 --> 01:04:40,799
departments are already free to use
their restricted fund balance, right?

837
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:46,079
So, this would allow the board to
allow departments to request to use

838
01:04:43,359 --> 01:04:52,480
reserves and it's really intended to be
more for something unexpected that comes

839
01:04:49,359 --> 01:04:57,200
up during the year that they
might want to do. Trying to just draw

840
01:04:55,680 --> 01:05:02,319
some
guidelines around it. I tried to suggest

841
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:08,720
we might just
you might just want to limit that to

842
01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:12,799
whatever that unassigned fund balance
grew. And I'm kind of saying two years

843
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,635
prior because I I think it needs to be
the audited numbers. Like for example,

844
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:20,079
for now, [clears throat] I really
[snorts] don't have final numbers yet

845
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:24,400
for fiscal 26. We're just we're still
paying bills that go back to 26. You see

846
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:29,280
those on the bill payment list every
week. we we've not recorded, you know,

847
01:05:27,839 --> 01:05:34,319
some of the entries that are going to
change our fund balance. So, I think it

848
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:38,319
works better just to use the mo
basically the most recent audited fund

849
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:41,920
balance that people could request it
for.

850
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:45,440
» Now, those are the SP you're talking
about the special not the carryovers,

851
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:50,960
but the that would be more of a special
request. Well, I personally

852
01:05:48,640 --> 01:05:56,799
would probably want you to review it
based in the context for both of those

853
01:05:53,680 --> 01:06:01,520
because, you know, we are it's hard to
imagine it right now because we are in

854
01:05:59,039 --> 01:06:07,839
such a different position. But if you if
the board were in a position where

855
01:06:05,359 --> 01:06:14,000
maybe fund balance is too low for
whatever reason, however we get there,

856
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:19,039
you I think you might want the ability
to say, you know, we we appreciate there

857
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:23,039
was a reason you didn't get it done, but
because you didn't, we now don't think

858
01:06:20,559 --> 01:06:28,240
it's possible at this time or advisable
at this time. Um, I just trying to give

859
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:31,240
you the most, you know, the most
flexibility.

860
01:06:32,319 --> 01:06:40,559
» Go ahead.
>> Just thinking through this if it's the

861
01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:44,720
last, so be going after off of FY25
right now.

862
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:53,760
» Could we It would probably still make
sense to also look at FY26 even if we're

863
01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:58,799
talking about 25, but just to make sure
if it was x amount from 25 but there was

864
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:02,880
also
never mind

865
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:05,359
» I would like to do that I can't figure
out how to give you something that's

866
01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:09,680
meaningful
>> I mean I can give you you know what

867
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:11,520
we're done through today but then
>> in December you're all going to look at

868
01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:14,319
me and go
>> sure

869
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:18,240
» what these numbers don't relate to each
other because sometimes they don't we

870
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:23,200
make you know there's some large
adjustments that get made through this

871
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:26,960
process so that's that was my
frustration with how to do that and not

872
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,599
have it [clears throat] be such an old
number.

873
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:34,240
» Michelle, was there a timeline you'd see
this being used more than another then?

874
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:40,160
I mean, we had the one in July. It was
right after and actually one came up in

875
01:07:36,720 --> 01:07:45,039
June, but when is there a timeline that
should be placed on this as well?

876
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:49,280
» Well, I did not. I was trying to be
flexible. I mean, for one thing, I would

877
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:56,079
prefer
that instead of like some of those that

878
01:07:53,760 --> 01:08:00,720
it would be for something unexpected. So
then I would think you're you may not

879
01:07:57,920 --> 01:08:06,000
know what that is yet. So I don't I
don't want to corral into, you know, by

880
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:08,557
July you're going to decide how much
you're giving out and give it all away.

881
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:13,359
On the other hand, departments
[clears throat] do need time

882
01:08:10,880 --> 01:08:19,920
to execute whatever,
you know, requests they have. So it's I

883
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:22,400
I did not draw boundaries around that
because it

884
01:08:21,440 --> 01:08:27,520
» I guess [clears throat] it's maybe
unanticipated and

885
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:31,279
» I'm trying to think of the situations
where you got five I mean you've got

886
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:35,600
your fiveyear plans and some of those
kinds of things in place. So you

887
01:08:33,679 --> 01:08:39,440
planning accordingly that way. Obviously
those are fluid so they could change.

888
01:08:37,759 --> 01:08:45,679
But if you budgeted for something, I
guess in in this the current year,

889
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:50,000
» and you um weren't able to get that
expended for whatever reason, vendor or

890
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:54,000
something with your schedule or steel
didn't come in or whatever that kind of

891
01:08:51,600 --> 01:08:57,600
thing is,
>> that makes sense to me that those kind

892
01:08:55,600 --> 01:09:01,600
of carryovers would just be something
you'd take a look at. Same as a budget

893
01:08:59,440 --> 01:09:08,239
amendment, but you'd look at those. the
the new items though, I'm struggling

894
01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:11,359
with what those would be because they'd
be in your plans or why they weren't in

895
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:15,359
your [clears throat] why they weren't in
this [snorts] budget year or why you're

896
01:09:12,880 --> 01:09:19,440
not waiting till the next budget year.
>> Well, the biggest reason I don't like

897
01:09:17,199 --> 01:09:26,719
that is I don't want to penalize the
people who are doing what they told you

898
01:09:22,319 --> 01:09:30,640
they would do. So, we have departments
that spent their budgets on what they

899
01:09:29,120 --> 01:09:35,040
told you they would spend it on. So
maybe they don't have much carryover,

900
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:39,040
but if you're not going to allow them to
request carryover for some different

901
01:09:36,719 --> 01:09:43,600
initiative and that the whole point is
we don't know what those are. Things

902
01:09:40,799 --> 01:09:47,679
happen, things break,
>> somebody decides not to support

903
01:09:45,120 --> 01:09:54,159
software. I mean, just things happen
that we didn't foresee when we did that

904
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:59,440
planning ahead of time. So, I I want
people to be able to, you know, to

905
01:09:56,640 --> 01:10:03,120
request those dollars even though they
did complete their budgets as expected.

906
01:10:01,679 --> 01:10:08,760
But, haven't we done that with budget
amendments? Typically,

907
01:10:05,600 --> 01:10:08,760
» um sometimes

908
01:10:09,679 --> 01:10:14,480
you have because I mean like emergencies
and things like that, we always have to

909
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:17,760
do them anyway. I mean,
>> correct. We have never been in a

910
01:10:17,120 --> 01:10:21,199
position where
>> we couldn't I I guess that's just my

911
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:23,488
whole thing of trying to figure out what
types of things you're really

912
01:10:22,178 --> 01:10:26,640
[clears throat] kind of expanding
[snorts]

913
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:31,840
ideas for additional
>> not within you know budget requests.

914
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:36,560
» Yeah. I mean the probably the most
obvious one is all the strategic

915
01:10:33,600 --> 01:10:42,880
planning dollars honestly that we've
that we've spent.

916
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:46,719
Oh, on the consultant or
>> Yeah. And the trainings and just all the

917
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:50,719
different there's quite there's been
quite a few things and you know we

918
01:10:49,199 --> 01:10:55,280
wouldn't I don't think we want to forego
that opportunity

919
01:10:52,640 --> 01:11:01,360
just because we we didn't really know
when we set the budget exactly

920
01:10:59,199 --> 01:11:03,280
what we wanted to do with that later.
Mhm.

921
01:11:01,679 --> 01:11:06,800
» So I I and [clears throat] I know that's
a little bit different because that's a

922
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:10,800
board activity, but it's just kind of an
obvious example to me of something that

923
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:14,239
we've been doing the last couple of
years. I'm sure there are others if I

924
01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,800
think about it for a minute, but
>> Well, I that's what I was trying

925
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:20,880
projects and [clears throat] didn't
think of actually projects or how we

926
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:23,440
were using [snorts] that, but planning
being very different for us the last

927
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:27,440
couple years period. But
>> Right. Yeah. Sure.

928
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:34,040
I know

929
01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:42,960
» none of this is, you know, a guaranteed.
So no matter what people request it for,

930
01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:46,239
» it it still lies with the board to
choose whether you think now is the

931
01:11:45,040 --> 01:11:51,199
right time or not
>> or not. Yeah.

932
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:55,840
» Yeah. So
if there was that opportunity to our to

933
01:11:53,840 --> 01:12:00,000
people currently and they thought, "Oh,
here's this great opportunity

934
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:02,159
and so they bring it to the board." They
have to bring it to the board anyway.

935
01:12:01,679 --> 01:12:06,320
» Yep.
>> We make the same decision on whether or

936
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:10,080
not we think we should do it, not do it,
use reserves, whatever.

937
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:13,199
» Going to say today, I feel like we don't
really talk about the budget

938
01:12:11,565 --> 01:12:17,280
[clears throat] or the source of funding
when sometimes when people bring those

939
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:21,520
things. So this would also kind of
formalize that we do need to talk about

940
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:24,960
how we're going to pay for something
when it

941
01:12:23,120 --> 01:12:30,000
» other than strategic planning. Have we
had some that come to mind that that

942
01:12:27,600 --> 01:12:34,640
we've been doing that without being
budgeted or I mean for the most part I

943
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:36,960
mean there's sometimes going to be maybe
something that was over budget.

944
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:41,600
» Right.
>> Right. That's the thing.

945
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:43,660
» Yeah. There are there are those are
pretty minor.

946
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:48,640
» Yeah. There are things that
[clears throat] happen that come up.

947
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:53,360
Yeah. Um, so the board but the board
still does the approval of I mean like

948
01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:56,880
like you said the mics when we did that
we really kind of should have looked at

949
01:12:55,120 --> 01:13:01,920
where we were with reserves and we knew
we had some reserves there so we haven't

950
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:05,840
maybe like scrutinized it to that end to
>> or I just thought it would say sorry we

951
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:10,800
can't do it this year
>> right and especially for capital items

952
01:13:08,880 --> 01:13:16,000
we have
some other sources of funding besides

953
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:20,320
general reserves that looked at. You
know, we we've approved transfers to

954
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:24,960
fund 351
or equipment primarily,

955
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:30,239
but sometimes
the equipment comes in at a different

956
01:13:26,480 --> 01:13:34,880
cost, right? So, there are there are
some other pools of money that can be

957
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:38,960
looked at, particularly more for capital
items than for what I'm going to call

958
01:13:37,280 --> 01:13:43,265
programming, I guess, for lack of a
better term.

959
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:46,080
So rather than
[clears throat] I know we don't know

960
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:49,040
where reserves are going to be or where
caps are going to be and that type of

961
01:13:47,679 --> 01:13:52,760
thing. So we've kind of planned
accordingly for that.

962
01:13:52,880 --> 01:13:59,199
But the spendown type of is kind of what
we're allowing people to come up with

963
01:13:57,120 --> 01:14:02,719
things other than a budget cycle to say
hey what about this and not just like

964
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:07,280
things that we think are going to be
making improvements to what we're doing

965
01:14:05,280 --> 01:14:10,960
and that type of thing. And honestly,
sometimes

966
01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:14,640
this is where it's it's a difficult
process. Sometimes a department will

967
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:17,679
have something like that that's new and
they know they didn't really budget for

968
01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:22,000
it last year, so they want to come do
something new,

969
01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:25,600
» but it turns out for whatever reason
they've still underspent their budget.

970
01:14:23,920 --> 01:14:29,771
If you wait till the end of the year,
they still may not use their whole

971
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:35,840
budget. So it's
[sighs] yeah it's

972
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:40,560
it's a it's not an easy thing to decide
when

973
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:43,040
» if I remember correctly this room that
>> this that's my strategic plan.

974
01:14:42,871 --> 01:14:48,640
[clears throat]
>> Yeah. Well but but Gabby didn't use all

975
01:14:46,239 --> 01:14:51,600
of her budget if I if I'm remembering
correctly. I could be misremembering but

976
01:14:50,719 --> 01:14:56,239
» no I believe you're correct
>> for some things there I do wonder if

977
01:14:54,800 --> 01:15:01,679
there's
>> is there any merit to capping the expend

978
01:14:59,760 --> 01:15:06,960
capping the request the dollar amount
request

979
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:09,600
» let me
>> this is Chris I was just going to say

980
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:18,560
you know the key thing I'm thinking
about here is just the flexibility that

981
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:26,400
um future boards are going to need in
the coming years as uh the dynamics are

982
01:15:22,239 --> 01:15:32,159
going to rapidly change um with with
these new state codes and it's going to

983
01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:35,679
compound every year. And so I think that
it's I mean it's good to consider, you

984
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:40,239
know, and look at, you know, what has
come up in the past and whatever, but I

985
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:45,520
think for me I'm more thinking about
just giving as many tools in the tool

986
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:49,840
box um so that the county can weather
the storm that the state has created

987
01:15:47,440 --> 01:15:53,960
that's going to be impacting local
governments all across the state.

988
01:15:57,199 --> 01:16:01,600
I think that's kind of what we're all
probably thinking a little [laughter]

989
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:06,640
bit
>> and we're in a

990
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:10,400
» probably
minority position of other entities

991
01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:20,239
across the [clears throat] state and
that we're we do have significant

992
01:16:14,239 --> 01:16:25,760
reserves that we need to commit um and
get spent down. We've

993
01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:30,560
I anticipated using quite a bit more
general fund reserves to complete the

994
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:36,000
ARPA projects for example and I have
already for the last two years been

995
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:38,880
assigning that fund balance and I I
don't [clears throat] anticipate today

996
01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:46,600
that we're going to need as much as
we've set aside which is going to

997
01:16:41,280 --> 01:16:46,600
release more to unassign. So we

998
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:52,719
we we need to
we do need to try to use

999
01:16:54,239 --> 01:16:59,440
So I think overall though what we
started with just the carryover kind of

1000
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:06,880
helping us for that you're trying to at
least add some additional areas and

1001
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:11,199
basically have three different
>> reasons if you will why you might be

1002
01:17:09,199 --> 01:17:16,000
suggesting it. One might be for projects
that you weren't able to do for one

1003
01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:21,040
reason or another. The second one is for
new types. And when I use the term

1004
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:26,000
projects, that's really primarily
more operating

1005
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:31,679
dollar projects, program projects than
it is capital type projects. There is a

1006
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:34,880
third on here [clears throat] for those
as well.

1007
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,840
» The nonbonded capital
>> y

1008
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:39,440
» request.
>> Yes.

1009
01:17:37,679 --> 01:17:42,800
that I think
>> same procedure you're thinking really

1010
01:17:41,520 --> 01:17:48,360
for the most part
>> pretty much comes to the board and

1011
01:17:45,360 --> 01:17:48,360
» Yep.

1012
01:17:49,199 --> 01:17:54,719
» So when people So does that change
anything like when people like you said

1013
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:58,560
have overages in their budgets then and
have done all the things that they said

1014
01:17:56,239 --> 01:18:03,760
they do in the year or got their
projects completed or will have.

1015
01:18:02,239 --> 01:18:07,760
» Are you talking about within that year
or wanting to access it? I'm thinking

1016
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:12,480
even in the same year like if someone
>> Yeah. No, I you know we there's

1017
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:16,480
» over pretty much
your department's

1018
01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:20,334
managed you know they're operating in
the current year

1019
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:24,640
» to their best ability. So if they
[clears throat]

1020
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:29,199
if they've typically had 10,000 in their
budget for something and it's not going

1021
01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:33,679
to happen this year,
we have historically allowed them to use

1022
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:37,199
that $10,000 for something else. I mean,
if there's a contract, then they're not

1023
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:40,800
an elected official, they would still
need to bring the contract for approval.

1024
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:44,080
I believe the way the things state
today,

1025
01:18:42,080 --> 01:18:47,199
» but yes, if it's within the same year
and they're going to cover it with their

1026
01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:52,429
same budgeted,
I don't even think [snorts] that's a

1027
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:54,320
conversation. This is for when they
[clears throat]

1028
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,880
don't have the money in their current
year.

1029
01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:00,800
» Okay?
>> Or they don't think they do anyway

1030
01:18:58,560 --> 01:19:05,529
because sometimes we find that's not the
case by the end of the year.

1031
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:08,400
Yeah.
[snorts]

1032
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:11,440
» Of the three categories.
>> Mhm.

1033
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:15,120
» Right. The
operating request [snorts] for

1034
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:20,320
subsequent year funding
not completing in that year,

1035
01:19:17,760 --> 01:19:24,579
other operating requests and then the
non-bonded capital requests.

1036
01:19:22,559 --> 01:19:24,579
[clears throat]

1037
01:19:26,080 --> 01:19:37,840
Are is there a level of agreement on
one, two, or all three?

1038
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:43,159
» Yeah, just amongst the board like a
>> where is everyone's gut check at on

1039
01:19:40,159 --> 01:19:43,159
this?

1040
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:52,239
» Attending the um department head
meeting. I've I don't know we've had

1041
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:56,880
much had discussion on this. So I'm
would like to go through one round with

1042
01:19:54,080 --> 01:20:01,760
that and ask them for more input for
going further with it. I mean I think

1043
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:04,560
that get more input from the department
heads would make sense too giving us

1044
01:20:04,080 --> 01:20:07,199
some more direction.
>> Well, I think we talked about that the

1045
01:20:06,159 --> 01:20:11,360
last time this came up [clears throat]
too of having input from others. But I

1046
01:20:08,960 --> 01:20:16,560
did think to anybody that actually,
which is every county department and the

1047
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:21,280
elected officials as well, it almost
should have an opportunity to look and

1048
01:20:18,640 --> 01:20:25,360
see what their issues or concerns or
questions might be

1049
01:20:24,130 --> 01:20:29,199
[clears throat]
um or at least to consider because like

1050
01:20:27,679 --> 01:20:35,159
I said, ultimately we'd be making a
decision for everyone's budgets

1051
01:20:31,679 --> 01:20:35,159
in the process

1052
01:20:37,679 --> 01:20:43,679
and I'm pretty much ready to support it,
but I do want to give that opportunity

1053
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:50,000
for
just to hear from all the departments.

1054
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:54,480
» Yeah, it's kind of a blanket like I said
or kind of a generic kind of form

1055
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:59,280
shell's put together for us for doing
it. So, just like to see what questions

1056
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:02,880
or concerns that the people who work
with those budgets, you know, work

1057
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:06,719
within those.
>> Tips, what were you asking? Just if

1058
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:07,840
there's if there there's three
categories.

1059
01:21:07,440 --> 01:21:12,159
» Yeah.
>> Right.

1060
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:16,320
» If there's general support amongst the
board for two of them,

1061
01:21:14,239 --> 01:21:20,239
» do we amend the polic? Right. Just just
trying to get to how do we get to an

1062
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:24,159
action point? And and if that means we
wait for two weeks, 3 weeks, whatever,

1063
01:21:22,159 --> 01:21:29,679
that's that's fine. I'm just just trying
to figure out in my own head of

1064
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:33,920
» what's the path forward on any or all of
this. I'm I'm in agreement with Chris.

1065
01:21:31,120 --> 01:21:38,480
Um, I'm comfortable with all I'm I'm
comfortable with all three. Um, but I'm

1066
01:21:36,159 --> 01:21:44,320
also comfortable with,
>> you know, I I I think it's it would be

1067
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:51,360
ideal if the full board can get in this
versus a three to two or like I that

1068
01:21:48,159 --> 01:21:55,040
that's not as productive, I don't think.
Well, I think in having it addressing it

1069
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:58,639
once, I mean to just my thought on it,
too. And having all three in there

1070
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:02,480
whether we'd ever use one of those or
not, it still puts it in there for us.

1071
01:22:00,800 --> 01:22:04,960
And I suppose and ultimately the
decision is made by the board if you

1072
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:07,600
want to say no
>> at that point anyway.

1073
01:22:06,719 --> 01:22:12,000
» It's a framework.
>> It's Yeah, that's all I see it as.

1074
01:22:09,520 --> 01:22:16,639
» And just knowing that we've had pastes
that [clears throat] were rigid no these

1075
01:22:14,239 --> 01:22:19,360
came up. This is a huge
>> change. Yeah.

1076
01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:21,760
» Well, you can still always be the rigid
no

1077
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:27,080
» is what I mean. You have the voice in
it, but it still puts a process in

1078
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:27,080
place.

1079
01:22:28,080 --> 01:22:35,560
» Yeah. And honestly,
because of the state law,

1080
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:44,000
right now,
the rigid no is not going to serve us

1081
01:22:41,440 --> 01:22:49,280
well as a county. There may be a time
when that comes back because there are

1082
01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:54,639
reasons that sometimes you need to have
that. We just are not at that place

1083
01:22:52,480 --> 01:23:00,639
right now today.
And we've seen we've seen some of this

1084
01:22:56,800 --> 01:23:06,960
pop up where I think some of that
historical shadow has impacted decisions

1085
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:11,199
that probably
if we had a framework in place would

1086
01:23:09,679 --> 01:23:15,742
have demonstrated that the board's a bit
more adaptable now to at least having a

1087
01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:21,600
conversation hearing it out and
[clears throat] folks don't have to uh

1088
01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:25,520
rush decisions and get to it.
in particular since we've chosen to do

1089
01:23:23,620 --> 01:23:29,600
[clears throat] some oneoffs. It it
seems

1090
01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:35,840
like it might be a good idea to have all
your departments kind of understand

1091
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:38,560
» that that has changed. Yeah, because I
did the, [clears throat]

1092
01:23:37,440 --> 01:23:43,280
» you know, ask
>> when you had in the carryover one having

1093
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:48,320
the departments with results that were
better than expected in the budget cycle

1094
01:23:45,520 --> 01:23:52,320
that I wasn't sure that I really like
that in the carryover one so much

1095
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:56,320
because it's like you budgeted for it,
we agreed to it, said you needed it,

1096
01:23:54,159 --> 01:24:02,000
approved it, and now we're going to say,
well, we'd like to see it be two cycles

1097
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:06,400
of good reporting before you could get
that. that one I didn't see so much in

1098
01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:10,920
that as much as I did new like if it's
going to be a new request and you're

1099
01:24:07,920 --> 01:24:10,920
thinking

1100
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:19,360
» I don't want to but I mean there are
some reasons why there you need to be

1101
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:22,560
cautious I guess with that
>> I know I'm being cautious but I just

1102
01:24:20,719 --> 01:24:25,280
meant [clears throat] to yeah at the end
of a year like

1103
01:24:23,360 --> 01:24:30,960
» just assuming just assuming that
carryover should be available is that's

1104
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:35,120
something that would concern me
>> I'd expect that carryover be available.

1105
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:37,600
You mean their their project hasn't been
spent, so that carryover would be

1106
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,400
available
>> as long as

1107
01:24:38,480 --> 01:24:42,560
» it's just as long as they haven't for
it.

1108
01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:47,440
» No, as long as they haven't spent it on
something else.

1109
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:53,040
» I mean, things happen and the the budget
documents don't always catch up to

1110
01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:57,360
reality for a little bit. So, I think I
just think there's odd circumstances

1111
01:24:55,600 --> 01:25:03,040
that could affect things like that.
That's all I'm saying suggesting. I'm

1112
01:24:59,679 --> 01:25:09,120
going to And honestly, You are correct.
Some departments have had to go over

1113
01:25:05,679 --> 01:25:15,840
budget for whatever reasons. So in in my
mind that all feeds into a large pool

1114
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:21,600
that we are a team. We're not, you know,
15 different businesses under one roof,

1115
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:26,880
which so that's why
I don't know that it's a good idea to

1116
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:30,719
just automatically promise carryover
that kind of because you have one

1117
01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:36,080
department that through no fault of
their own really

1118
01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:40,560
has used all their budget or you know, I
don't I just don't think it's right to

1119
01:25:38,239 --> 01:25:41,840
penalize those because someone else has.
Well, I don't mean to penalize,

1120
01:25:41,809 --> 01:25:46,080
[clears throat]
>> but that's kind of what happens when you

1121
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:51,040
do an automated automatic carryover for
people that didn't spend it. You're kind

1122
01:25:48,320 --> 01:25:54,159
of in effect penalizing those that got
theirs done. And I So, I kind of wanted

1123
01:25:53,040 --> 01:25:58,320
to stay away from that.
>> That like I said, it's not a penalty,

1124
01:25:55,679 --> 01:26:01,120
but I do think it's just like there are
that comes up. So,

1125
01:25:59,280 --> 01:26:04,800
» yes. And that's why I think I worded
this to say that that could be

1126
01:26:02,800 --> 01:26:08,560
considered if they had carryover because
I think it should be considered. I just

1127
01:26:06,800 --> 01:26:12,159
don't know that you want to make it
automatic. That's that was

1128
01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:15,199
» No, I don't I don't see making anything
automatic. It comes for us for a vote

1129
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:17,520
anyway. So,
>> yes.

1130
01:26:15,920 --> 01:26:20,400
» Okay.
>> That gets us to overt taxation pretty

1131
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:24,080
quick,
>> right? If

1132
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:29,639
» yes,
>> yes, [laughter] the

1133
01:26:25,360 --> 01:26:29,639
» short answer to that is yes.

1134
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:36,239
» So, are we all comfortable with three? I
mean, just to think it.

1135
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:38,800
» Yeah. I just for now it's still like
another step to go through others

1136
01:26:37,485 --> 01:26:42,719
[clears throat] to see it and we and
review it but still start.

1137
01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:48,199
» Yeah, cuz I wanted to take it to the
department heads and the policy review

1138
01:26:48,560 --> 01:26:55,040
after this but because it was new I saw
in this like you had on here guidelines

1139
01:26:53,440 --> 01:26:59,920
would it make any sense to just make
them guidelines and not a policy?

1140
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:02,239
I think that's [laughter]
yes

1141
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:06,400
» or I just meant so that we but know that
we all live by them but just curious

1142
01:27:04,880 --> 01:27:12,910
policies seem
>> we have a hard time changing those lots

1143
01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:12,910
of hearings and things [laughter]

1144
01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:24,480
so next step is we're okay with I mean
for the most part with at least this

1145
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:29,360
version and going to the department
heads or anybody with a budget that are

1146
01:27:27,679 --> 01:27:30,639
proven for.
>> Yes. And and

1147
01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:33,815
» okay,
>> if you're a department head, please

1148
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:37,199
speak freely about your input
[clears throat] on that if that'll

1149
01:27:35,679 --> 01:27:39,280
matter.
>> Yeah.

1150
01:27:38,320 --> 01:27:42,480
» Help us help you.
>> The ones that can attend and maybe if we

1151
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:45,199
send it out before so that they all get
a chance

1152
01:27:44,295 --> 01:27:51,600
[clears throat]
maybe if I don't get interrupted. But

1153
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:54,560
» yeah, this is not it's not if I don't
get interrupted.

1154
01:27:53,465 --> 01:27:59,679
[laughter]
>> Stuff stuff happens. Yeah, I mean it was

1155
01:27:56,880 --> 01:28:03,280
always there's no purpose in having this
if it's

1156
01:28:01,120 --> 01:28:06,080
» without department heads feedback and
that they think they can use it.

1157
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:10,080
» This kind of goes back to Amanda's
question about changing the date. I'm

1158
01:28:08,639 --> 01:28:15,736
wonder if we shouldn't still have
department head policy being following

1159
01:28:12,880 --> 01:28:19,120
week instead and next week.
[cough and clears throat]

1160
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:21,920
» And we could do a work session on this
obviously too. Informal work session if

1161
01:28:21,280 --> 01:28:27,280
we wanted to.
>> Yeah. This

1162
01:28:23,600 --> 01:28:30,800
» Yeah. Separate from those
Yeah, maybe that works better. This

1163
01:28:28,719 --> 01:28:34,719
would be the only topic maybe.
>> Yeah. And have it just be for this. But

1164
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:39,679
yeah,
>> I don't know. Department heads kind of

1165
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:43,901
Yeah,
I'm fine for letting the department

1166
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:45,921
heads and policy skip a month. But
[snorts]

1167
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:53,280
a lot of things going on with TED and
the university and couple of other

1168
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:58,480
things that we were at the rap sessions
or whatever too.

1169
01:28:55,679 --> 01:29:02,960
But yeah, we what what do you think?
Like a a work session, an informal work

1170
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:07,520
session or just let everybody see what
we get back and let them all review it

1171
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:10,639
and comments and go from there or
department and had

1172
01:29:09,120 --> 01:29:13,600
» kind of like have the discussion
department head meeting first and then

1173
01:29:12,480 --> 01:29:16,719
work session.
>> Well, I meant like a work session with

1174
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:21,199
the department head. I didn't mean just
with us, but I meant everybody that's

1175
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:24,280
got some have something like that too. I
don't know.

1176
01:29:25,440 --> 01:29:32,400
Whatever's easiest and fastest.
[laughter] Is that an option or not?

1177
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:34,320
» A good option.
>> The government.

1178
01:29:33,360 --> 01:29:38,239
» Yeah.
>> The government was not designed to work

1179
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:43,840
fast. [laughter]
>> We can do what you just said.

1180
01:29:41,679 --> 01:29:47,520
» That doesn't work that way.
>> I'm [clears throat] I'm with Linda on

1181
01:29:45,520 --> 01:29:52,560
the the work session idea. I think that
would be the easiest and fastest to get

1182
01:29:50,159 --> 01:29:57,679
everybody, you know, in the same meeting
at the same time and then we don't have

1183
01:29:54,560 --> 01:30:02,080
to relay what was fed back in this
meeting to the to the work session. So,

1184
01:29:59,920 --> 01:30:06,639
let's just have a a work session and get
all the department heads there.

1185
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:12,560
» Let's test out the maybe basement.
>> Yeah, room test out the tech

1186
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:17,600
» l around the corner.
>> But that that feels like a more

1187
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:20,400
conversational informal
Yeah. Okay. [clears throat] And we'll

1188
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:24,000
we'll take a look then at TED's schedule
and department heads and make sure

1189
01:30:22,400 --> 01:30:26,159
everybody could be able to attend or
something as close as we can get to

1190
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:30,239
that. [snorts]
>> Okay.

1191
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:32,719
So, anything particular you want us to
address on it now, Michelle, or does

1192
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:35,840
that
>> I think if you have consensus

1193
01:30:35,252 --> 01:30:39,840
[clears throat]
to just leave it as is to mail out at

1194
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:44,199
least to have that discussion with the
department heads and elected officials.

1195
01:30:44,400 --> 01:30:47,840
» I I think that's good. involved.
>> Great.

1196
01:30:47,280 --> 01:30:52,480
» All right.
>> Looks like we've got it and Chris was in

1197
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:56,239
agreement too. So, okay.
>> So, without interruptions today, you'll

1198
01:30:54,400 --> 01:31:01,679
get that out to all of them for review
and work session date to be determined.

1199
01:30:58,480 --> 01:31:05,920
» Okay. Thank you.
So, we move on to item 10, reports or

1200
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:10,239
information from the board.
>> I want to again thank all the department

1201
01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:16,800
heads [clears throat] that took part uh
last week's township town hall. We had

1202
01:31:13,199 --> 01:31:22,560
12 of the 17 townships present for the
presentation. There was approximately 60

1203
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:27,440
people in attendance and uh many kudos
to the staff and the information they

1204
01:31:24,400 --> 01:31:30,239
presented. Uh I had one individual I
didn't think he was ever going to let me

1205
01:31:28,639 --> 01:31:35,520
go. He just kept saying like I can't
believe I learned this much. I couldn't.

1206
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:40,400
So um very very good content and
appreciate all the work that they've

1207
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:43,520
done. So Joseph as well and questions
hit right on the nail. couple of them.

1208
01:31:42,960 --> 01:31:49,760
So,
>> yeah,

1209
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:57,760
» I just wanted to bring the uh next week
um Dave Dver with Cedar Valley Tech

1210
01:31:53,040 --> 01:32:02,480
Works. Um been working with him and and
some members of staff on potential

1211
01:32:00,159 --> 01:32:09,040
opportunity for a partnership with Tech
Works. And so, um, you'll get an email

1212
01:32:06,719 --> 01:32:13,920
with
some of that information that they've

1213
01:32:10,719 --> 01:32:16,639
outlined with me and and bring that for
the full board to discuss next week and

1214
01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:20,880
just sort of
>> he's going to be attend the September

1215
01:32:18,960 --> 01:32:24,400
8th one.
>> Plan on him.

1216
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:28,400
» Okay. Super. Thank you.
>> I just have a question. Rory reminded me

1217
01:32:26,480 --> 01:32:31,199
of the food truck thing on county
property.

1218
01:32:29,520 --> 01:32:34,400
» This is the most important issue that we
missed today.

1219
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:39,040
Do we need to have multiple work
sessions in a congressional hearing to

1220
01:32:36,800 --> 01:32:41,199
have a food truck or can we make it
simple?

1221
01:32:39,600 --> 01:32:44,639
» Nate Nate offered and I don't know it
was between them to see if it worked. I

1222
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:48,400
thought kind of a thing. I thought Nate
offered his front yard. Right.

1223
01:32:46,400 --> 01:32:51,360
» Absolutely. Yes. And then as it happened
I actually uh my buddy that owns that

1224
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:56,000
barbecue place we were talking about I
ran into him at a gas station outside of

1225
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:59,280
Marshall Town and he's all in. So
>> So

1226
01:32:58,080 --> 01:33:03,280
that was kind of where I thought it was
left. It was if it worked for you and

1227
01:33:02,159 --> 01:33:06,560
Yeah, we'll make it work.
>> So, do you need to get dates or what do

1228
01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:10,480
you suggest, Rory? I was going to say
just to figure out what the dates are

1229
01:33:08,080 --> 01:33:15,920
and what the has to be done or said to
have board approval for it or whatever.

1230
01:33:12,239 --> 01:33:20,320
» Um, yeah. I think the only thing that uh
following policy if it's on county

1231
01:33:18,080 --> 01:33:24,080
property, we just have to have the
grounds use form filled out and that's

1232
01:33:22,239 --> 01:33:29,520
primarily just to make sure they got the
insurance and proper information like

1233
01:33:26,480 --> 01:33:34,719
that. Um, I did make a suggestion about
possibly using uh the fifth street side

1234
01:33:32,639 --> 01:33:39,760
of the courthouse just because we do
have quite a a wide sidewalk there and

1235
01:33:37,520 --> 01:33:46,400
then you have the uh the approach to
those uh set of doors there and then you

1236
01:33:41,920 --> 01:33:51,840
have the plaza the plaza area. Um and I
I did reach out to the city. We just

1237
01:33:48,560 --> 01:33:55,920
haven't connected yet um uh to see if
there was a way that we could block off

1238
01:33:53,679 --> 01:34:00,719
maybe a section of that road. I just
thought that that would have the least

1239
01:33:57,199 --> 01:34:04,320
amount of impact. Um, you know, I know
Nate, you said your parking lot, but you

1240
01:34:02,880 --> 01:34:08,480
have quite a bit of traffic coming in
and out of there also. So, I just

1241
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:14,320
thought that this might be a a way that
could serve both the city, uh, county

1242
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:17,679
staff and whoever else. So,
>> so do you think we need to follow up

1243
01:34:16,239 --> 01:34:22,560
with them on
>> I I think the next step in order to go

1244
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:28,000
that route uh we just need to see if
that is a possibility to block off those

1245
01:34:25,199 --> 01:34:31,440
parking spots and then how do we attract
people? You know, is it

1246
01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:35,840
» the smell of food? [laughter]
Well, I mean like the vendors, you know,

1247
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:41,120
do you put something out saying, "Hey,
you know, on this day we have we have

1248
01:34:38,560 --> 01:34:45,600
this spot open or, you know, maybe come
on coming up with some sort of uh

1249
01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:49,840
practice there just to to get the
vendors or we just maybe follow suit

1250
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:55,440
with the health department and how they
do it and um maybe they they go to

1251
01:34:52,880 --> 01:35:00,239
Pinerest one day and they come over here
uh a day." Um but no, that was my

1252
01:34:58,400 --> 01:35:04,320
thought was just to to have the least
amount of impact on the parking

1253
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:08,800
situation that's already uh kind of an
issue here. Um out there there's very

1254
01:35:06,960 --> 01:35:13,440
rarely ever any vehicles parked there
and it just seems to make sense.

1255
01:35:10,880 --> 01:35:18,080
» So they might be open to multiple events
then to we not just see it for one time

1256
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:20,880
and one and done but do it. Yeah, that
sounds good. I mean some

1257
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:24,960
» I think
>> I mean it's pretty common in you know

1258
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:28,639
bigger cities they have you know they
it's pretty common to have food trucks

1259
01:35:26,480 --> 01:35:32,400
right off the side of the road. So if
that uh if that works then I think that

1260
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:35,679
would be a great location.
>> Probably better do some soon before the

1261
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:39,440
weather changes. [laughter]
>> Yeah.

1262
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:41,920
» Yeah. So okay. Do you want to follow up
with us kind of on that

1263
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:46,239
» or is
>> Well, I think for for [laughter]

1264
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:50,400
for me the next step is just to see if
that is a possibility and I need to work

1265
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:54,320
through the city of Waterlue um and
their parking enforcement uh

1266
01:35:52,931 --> 01:35:56,560
[clears throat] program just to see if
that is a section that we could block

1267
01:35:55,920 --> 01:35:59,280
off
>> if for whatever reason there is an issue

1268
01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:06,400
there.
I understand we've got limited parking

1269
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:11,760
certainly in this side lot here
>> occupying one parking stall for one day

1270
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:15,360
I
>> I think we would I think we would all

1271
01:36:14,080 --> 01:36:19,520
survive
>> um and potentially we could even work

1272
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:24,371
with the vendor that whoever typically
parks there could be

1273
01:36:21,520 --> 01:36:27,440
» paid off with a pulled pork sandwich
[laughter]

1274
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:31,520
» yeah and and and that's fine just again
just to to follow the policy just the

1275
01:36:29,440 --> 01:36:35,040
ground use form for insurance and if we
can get through that hurdle then yeah I

1276
01:36:34,239 --> 01:36:38,800
don't see any
>> the term paid off

1277
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:42,320
» yeah [laughter]
>> thank you so much

1278
01:36:40,159 --> 01:36:48,239
» all right thank you
>> all right super well about ready to

1279
01:36:45,280 --> 01:36:52,560
adjourn everybody have a safe and I say
good weekend long weekend and happy

1280
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:56,400
Labor Day thank you is there a motion
for adjournment so move second

1281
01:36:54,880 --> 01:37:00,880
» all in favor say I
>> I

1282
01:36:58,159 --> 01:37:00,880
mean ajourned.