[0:03] Good morning everyone. I call this meeting of September 1st, 2026 to order. [0:09] Please join me in the pledge of >> allegiance. [0:12] I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to [0:17] [clears throat] the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, [0:22] indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [0:27] Our [0:30] next item is the consent agenda and it includes six items. It was published and [0:35] copies are available. If you'd like to discuss an item, it'll be moved to the [0:38] regular agenda and comments can be made at that time. [0:41] » Madam Chair, >> yes, Commissioner Jennings, [0:42] » I move to approve the consent agenda and authorize the chair to sign documents as [0:46] required. >> Second. [0:47] » We have a motion and a second. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. [0:51] » I. >> I. Those opposed. Motion carries. [0:55] I would look for a motion to approve the agenda. Madame Chair, I move to approve [0:58] the agenda as published. Second. >> Okay. Thank you. All those in favor, [1:03] please signify by saying I. I. >> Those opposed. Motion carries. [1:09] » Item four is announcements. And we have lots to celebrate this morning. Um I [1:14] just let folks know that the courthouse will be closed Monday, September 7th in [1:18] observance of Labor Day. Um and we have a handful of employee appreciations this [1:24] morning. Um, we're recognizing four employees for their service to Sheridan [1:27] County. They'll receive a certificate of appreciation and chamber bucks. Um, we [1:31] have assistant building official Daniel Nean with public works celebrating 5 [1:36] years of service. Morning. [1:47] » Congratulations. [1:51] Uh, we have Scott Stewart with the sheriff's office celebrating 15 years of [1:55] service. [1:59] [applause] >> Some of those were here. [laughter] [2:04] » Congratulations. >> Thank you. [2:08] » We have property appraiser uh Steve Kennedy with the county assessor [2:12] celebrating 20 years of service. [2:25] And we have Chief Deputy Treasurer Katie Miller with the County Treasurer [2:29] celebrating 20 years of service. [2:39] She >> started when she was 10. [laughter] [2:46] All right. Item five is public comments on matters [2:50] not on the agenda. And Mr. Pollock signed up to speak on this. [3:09] » Good morning, chair commissioners. My name is Harry [3:12] Pollock and I'm a citizen of Sheridan County. [3:15] Uh, a few legitimate questions deserve answers regarding the ballot handc count [3:19] uh, audit that took place on last Saturday, August 29th. [3:24] Um, why was Clint the deputy county attorney asking observers about who [3:28] called Chuck Gray, our secretary of state, and publicly identifying the [3:32] county commissioner as a person he believed made the call? What legitimate [3:37] purpose did that serve? and why publicly single out that county commissioner if [3:42] not to publicly defame that county commissioner. [3:45] Uh the election had already been certified. Uh there were no voters [3:49] casting ballots and the ballots contain no voter names. Yet observers were [3:54] required to obey photocopied notices stating no phone use and no recording [3:59] devices with the threat of removal for taking pictures. [4:03] Even more troubling came high in the acting deputy clerk and Clint Beaieber [4:07] the county deputy attorney handed observers a copy of the Wyoming [4:11] constitution article 6 section 11. It is titled manner of holding elections [4:17] highlighting the sentence all voters shall be guaranteed absolute privacy in [4:22] the preparation of their ballots and the secrecy of the ballot shall be made [4:27] compulsor. But where were the voters whose ballot [4:32] uh preparation privacy supposedly needed protecting? [4:36] This was a post-election handc count audit of anonymous ballots. [4:42] It certainly raises the questions whether the highlighted constitutional [4:46] provision was being used to intimidate citizens from from photographing or [4:51] documenting a public government process. And if government officials are [4:57] restricting citizens from recording what they are permitted to observe, that [5:01] raises serious first amendment transparency questions under the US [5:05] Constitution as well. Transparency builds confidence. Intimidation and [5:10] unnecessary restrictions destroyed. Thank you. [5:15] » Thank you for your comments, Mr. Pollock. They are part of the official [5:19] record. All right. Moving on to item six. We will consider the revised mutual [5:26] aid agreement between Sheridan County, Wyoming and Big Horn County, Montana for [5:30] emergency service mutual aids. And I'll call Jesse Ludicouse, emergency [5:33] management coordinator [5:43] before you today. It's a mutual aid agreement between Cary and Big Horn [5:48] County, Montana. The purpose of this agreement is straightforward. It [5:52] provides a formal process for our two counties to assist one another when an [5:57] emergency, disaster, wildfire, or other significant event exceeds the resources [6:02] available within each jurisdiction. It allows us to request and provide [6:08] personnel, equipment, supplies, and other emergency resources while clearly [6:13] identifying responsibilities for command, cost, insuranceances, and the [6:19] return of those resources. This board has approved this agreement [6:23] previously. [clears throat] After that approval, it went through the required [6:26] state review process and the attorney general's office requested some [6:31] additional language. Those changes have now been incorporated, which is why the [6:36] agreement is back before you today. The agreement specifically requires a [6:41] review and approval by the attorney general of Wyoming and Montana. [6:46] The important point is that the main intent of this agreement has not [6:50] changed. It continues to provide a framework for Sheridan County and Big [6:54] Horn County to help each other quickly and effectively when additional [6:59] emergency resources are needed. That'll stand it for any questions. [7:04] » Any questions for Jesse? >> Madam Chair, Commissioner Denn. [7:09] » Um just a quick question more clarifying. Um under section six it [7:15] talks about supervision and control resources and it says that it uh goes to [7:20] the designated supervisory personnel which u section five is is you you're [7:24] the authorized representative. Correct. >> Correct. [7:27] » Is is there a level of resources um that we're either offering or asking where um [7:34] you would come before the commissioners for approval or is that just complete? I [7:38] think we're going to give it your hands. um for those quick authorizations. No, [7:43] it'll go right to me for uh just to to provide those emergency resources. But [7:49] uh we if those resources were requested just as we do for individual aid u out [7:55] of county resources, we would I would let Cameron know and then you would [8:00] inform you guys of of the emergency that's taking place and the requests [8:04] that have been made. >> Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. Um [8:07] and yeah and to point out on here we provision said it says withdrawal of [8:10] resources. So at any time if the commission decides that you are that [8:15] this is not something that we want to assist with or it's not in our purview [8:19] or for whatever the reasons are you can make that that request and we can [8:24] immediately withdraw those resources at any moment. [8:26] » Okay. Thank you >> Madam Chair. [8:29] » Yes. I move to approve and authorize the chair to sign the revised mutual aid [8:33] agreement between Sheran County, Wyoming and [clears throat] Big County, Montana [8:37] for emergency services mutual aid. Second [8:41] » a motion and a second. Any discussion? >> Uh I guess I didn't uh get a chance to [8:48] chime in here. The term there's there's no term to revisit this. Do you guys uh [8:54] get together as a joint like every couple years and and look this over [8:59] because it's the term is it's incorporated right now. [9:03] » That is correct. Yeah, it it won't uh change unless there's a reason to remove [9:08] it um as it specifies in there the emergency manager. So their emergency [9:12] manager and I will create some kind of standard operating procedure for how [9:17] this will look going forward. And um at any moment in time um any two any of the [9:23] two uh agencies with 30-day notice can withdraw from this agreement. [9:30] » Yes. >> Any other discussion? [9:32] » Madam Chair. >> Yeah. [9:34] » I um I actually am in favor of this kind of uh agreement because as we've seen in [9:40] the past couple years, fires can go over borders very quickly and um different [9:46] states. So, I'm glad to see us working together with other states to try and [9:50] help each other out. I'll be in favor of this. [9:54] Any other discussion? Okay, hearing none. All those in favor, please signify [9:58] by saying I. I. >> Those opposed? Motion carries. Thank [10:01] you, Kelsey. Item seven is to consider a Sheridan [10:06] County license agreement 2625 LA with MBU for a board crossing installation of [10:12] underground power line at County Road 104 aka River Road and I'll call in Ken [10:17] Muller County Engineer. >> Good morning madam chairman board Ken [10:20] Muller. Yeah, they've applied for a license just for the singlephase high [10:25] voltage line uh under river road. Have any other particulars? We just need [10:32] to get power on the other side of the road. [10:35] » Okay. I would look for a motion. [10:39] » Madam chair. >> Yes. Commissioners, [10:41] » I move [clears throat] to approve and authorize the chair to [10:45] sign Cher County license agreement 2625 LA with MDU forward to crossing [10:51] installation of underground power line at County Road 104 aka River Road. [10:57] » Second. >> A motion and a second. Any discussion? [11:01] All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. [11:05] » Those opposed. Motion carries. >> All right. With another one on item [11:11] eight. Um, this is 2626 LA with MDU for another board crossing at Ber Farm Road. [11:18] » Yeah, Madam Chair. It's similar to the previous one. It's a singlephase high [11:23] voltage line. Uh, the board under Bird Farm Road. [11:36] Yes, Commissioner Jennings. I >> move to approve and authorize the chair [11:39] to sign Sher County license agreement 2626 LA within view of the board cross [11:44] and installation of power 28 also known as bird farmer. [11:50] » Second >> motion and a second. Any discussion? All [11:54] those in favor please signify by saying I. I. I. Motion carries. [11:59] Item nine is to consider the landowner conservation district agreement for the [12:03] Sheridan County Tiny River Clean Burn Stream Stabilization Water Quality [12:07] Improvement Project. We'll call on Ken Muller again. [12:09] » Yeah, Madam Chair, this uh agreement is with us and the conservation district. [12:14] As you board knows, we went out for uh some grant funding to help us repair our [12:21] portion of Tongue River there inside the Clean Burn Recreational Area that's got [12:25] a large cut and erosion going on. happened for years. Uh we were [12:30] successful in that. The total amount of grams is 375,000. [12:36] And you can see in the budget justification how that breaks down [12:43] with the Wyoming wildlife trust 300,000 [12:51] Wing game and fish funds of 40,000 and then a program [12:57] SWPP for 35,000 that makes up for 175,000. [13:03] This project is estimated to be about 6 to6,000. Uh we have project plans all [13:09] done, contract documents. We're ready to go to bid. [13:14] The the bulk of the money will come from the county if you choose to approve this [13:20] to build that project. So [13:25] » question. >> Okay. Madam Chair, um can just for for [13:30] the public, can you give a little bit more information on why this project is [13:34] necessary specifically in regards to the bridge and road? [13:39] » Yeah, it's uh several things happening here. You know, about 2009, we moved [13:45] County Road over because the ro river was encroaching on the road. So, we [13:50] moved the road over to get away from it, but we didn't do anything to mitigate [13:55] the erosion. Uh, and then it's trying to bypass the Acme Bridge. It's trying to [14:01] go around it. And so we started looking at this with the conservation district [14:06] about I don't know four or five years ago. They said this qualifies for some [14:11] of their funding to to do this kind of work. So we started looking the project [14:16] then. Yeah, if we don't do something, it'll [14:19] just continue to try to river will try to migrate east and try to bypass that [14:24] bridge >> and get into the road again about [14:28] [clears throat] to move the road again. >> Thank you, [14:33] » Madam Chair. No. >> Move to approve and authorize the chair [14:38] to sign a landowner/conservation district agreement with the Sharer [14:41] County Tongue River Clean Burn Stream Stabilization [14:45] Water Quality Improvement Project. >> Second motion and a second. Any [14:51] discussion? I I have a question for you. Um would I [14:55] need to recuse myself since I sit on the wildlife trust board that provided some [14:59] funding for this project? Okay. I think so, but I I double check. [15:05] All right. Um, all those in favor, please signify by saying I. [15:10] » Those opposed? Motion carries. [15:17] Moving on to item 10, which is consider resolution 2609063, [15:24] notice intent to vacate a half width of alley between block three and four in [15:29] the town of Ludor subdivision in unincorporated story, Wyoming, located [15:34] in the south half of section 8, township 53 north, range 83 west. And I'll call [15:38] on Ken Miller, county engineer. Yeah, Madam Chair, hopefully the board [15:44] remembers not too long ago you denied a petition to vacate [15:51] half part of the alley and a full width of the alley adjacent to these two lots, [15:56] the same two lots. Since the people have petitioned to only vacate half of the [16:03] alley, the alley is 40 foot wide. They want to vacate [16:08] 20 foot of the 40 foot wide across those lots. If you recall, there was a couple [16:13] objections from land owners that felt that there was a need to get through [16:17] there publicly and and that's why you decided to deny that previous one. So, [16:25] this is just notice again that run its course with the advertisement to the [16:30] public and it'll take if there's any written objections again. have to deal [16:36] with at that time. >> Any questions for not? I'd look for a [16:41] motion. >> Chair. [16:43] » Yes, Commissioner D. >> I move to approve and authorize the [16:46] chair to sign resolution 6009063 notice of attempt to vacate 1/2 width a [16:52] between block three and block 4 in town subdivision and uninccorporated story [16:57] Wyoming located in the south 1/2 of section 83 [17:02] north range west. Sorry. [17:08] Thank you. Did you guys have anything to come up [17:12] and >> you want us to come up? [17:14] » You don't need to. I But you're more than welcome. [17:18] » Sorry. Pretty straightforward. Yeah. Three of you. Three of you came [17:24] out to see property. Okay. >> Um All right. Who was the second? [17:30] » Mike. >> Mike. Okay. Thank you. All right. Uh any [17:33] discussion? >> Yeah, madam chair. Yeah. [17:36] » It appears to me that uh when we first saw this, it looks like the [17:42] » the petitioners have gone the extra mile to try to alleviate some stress between [17:48] the neighborhood neighbors and themselves and I think they've done a [17:51] really good job. So I'm going to be in favor of this motion. [17:55] » Madam Chair, yes. >> I'm also going to be in favor. I I want [17:58] to thank the land owners for allowing us to come out and look at his property and [18:02] kind of explain it. I wasn't here for the last vote. Um but for this one, I'm [18:07] in favor and um as I as I looked at that uh alleyway, it it is it does not look [18:15] like it's ever been used. So, I'll be in favor of this. [18:19] All right. Any other discussion? All those in favor, please signify by saying [18:23] I. I. >> Those opposed. Motion carries. Thanks [18:27] for being here. All right. Item 11 is to consider item S25006 [18:33] P minor subdivision. I'll call in Mar County Planner. [18:37] » Thank you, Madam Chair, members of the board. Mark County Planner. [18:42] So, we have an application here to subdivide existing lots [18:49] being combined subdivision. [18:54] It's 11.18 acre property. over residential acting proposes creation of [19:00] two single family residential lots currently flatted um occurren [19:07] on Mets Road County Road 62 and Highlander Court uh southwest of the [19:14] city of Sheridan all the [19:19] details of the report there questions on them be happy to answer them planning [19:25] and zoning commission recommended approval of this item on August 6th uh [19:32] with the three noted conditions in the report number one that prior to the [19:37] co-termous board signing the final flat that the Highlander Court maintenance [19:42] agreement dated uh July 1, 26 be recording the county clerk. Uh number [19:48] two, that state engineer border patrol approval of the water rights [19:53] distribution plan be provided to the public works department prior to the [19:57] board signing the plat. And finally, number three, that note 8 on the plat be [20:01] corrected to reflect the public road dedication of Highlander Court. So just [20:06] by way of explanation, Highland accord is currently uh part of the uh earlier [20:13] flat um if you subdivision the status this is simply a private way [20:21] this uh will dedicate highland a public so it's all I have [20:27] madam chair any questions try to answer >> any questions for mark right this does [20:33] require a public hearing and I'll open at 9:20. [20:38] Do we have any folks that want to speak on this? [20:48] I will close the public hearing at 9:21 [20:55] and I would look for a motion. Madam Chair, [20:58] » Commissioner, >> I move to approve the item [21:02] [clears throat] S-25- [21:04] Z006 view minor subdivision with the three [21:08] conditions as recommended by the planning and zoning commission. [21:13] » Second. >> A motion and a second. Any other [21:16] discussion? Hearing none. All those in favor, please [21:20] signify by saying I. >> I. [21:23] » Those opposed? Motion carries. Our next item is CD 260002 Nicholson Conservation [21:31] Subdivision call again. Thank you again. [21:58] Uh Julia Lyn Nicholson trustee has applied for a subdivision permit um on [22:05] 70.02 02 acres of adjacent to county road form 44 C road property zone direct [22:15] agricultural proposes creation of one residential lot and two conservation [22:20] lots from currently unplanted area 6 and 12 miles west of [22:30] a lot of detail on this so I'm not going to go into that again [22:35] have any questions and concerns, please let me know. Uh there are no variances [22:40] requested on this. Um uh planning and zoning commission u on August 6 voters 4 [22:48] to zero to recommend approval of it by CD 2600 [22:52] 02 Nicholson conservation subdivision with [22:57] the following conditions number one that prior to co terminates with execution [23:02] the final flat by the board that the declaration of restrictions defining and [23:07] acceptable acts uses from the conservation tracks be executed and [23:11] recorded by the applicant with the county clear and number two that the [23:16] fall window shall be added to the PL prior to the execution of the final plan [23:22] by the board and that you can see the the note that it's a planning commission [23:28] recommended added on there. Uh yeah, so that's all I got. This just single block [23:35] um conserving uh over 70% of the property [23:42] is is conservation area. So at this point, [23:47] » thank you. All right. This also requires a public [23:50] hearing and I'll open it at 9:23. Do we have any comments from the public [23:56] on this? [24:00] Okay. Hearing none, I will close the public [24:04] hearing at 9:24 and I would look for a motion. [24:08] » I'm chair commission right >> move to approve item CD-26-002 [24:14] Nicholson conservation subdivision with the two conditions as recommended by the [24:19] planning and zoning commission. >> Second. [24:22] » Have a motion and a second. Any any other discussion? [24:26] only madam chair only that if we have to have development this is what I'd love [24:30] to see it's a conservation design subdivision that leaves like our [24:38] friend Mark Reed said leave 70% of the land untouched pretty pretty much so [24:44] that's what I like to see personally >> yes [24:48] » yeah any other discussion hearing not all [24:52] those in favor please signify by saying I I those opposed motion carries [24:59] » I did at 9:24. >> Yep. [25:02] » Madam chair. >> Yes. [25:03] » Just just uh just to the county a little bit here. [25:08] Uh so we've had conservation design subdivisions in effect since 2012. We've [25:13] had nine different proposals uh that have conserved over a thousand [25:20] actually 149 acres conserved in that time and well just establishing 72 home [25:27] sites. So that to me is it's a a mark of something that's been popular and and [25:35] accomplishing several goals as our comprehensive plan over the years. So [25:41] there's not a lot of counties going out considering thousand acres while still [25:46] allowing to improve. So >> just kudos to you guys. [25:51] » Well, and kudos to to your office and we've talked about this before, but you [25:56] know, we had our our permit blip in 2022 postcoid when when everybody was moving [26:01] to town at 231 permits and it and it dropped every year after that until this [26:06] year and we're at 238 all. So you guys have been busy. Thanks for your work. [26:12] All right. Item 13 is to consider item CU 260002, [26:17] the Morgan Machine Shop CUP. And I'll call in Margarit [26:22] again. Thank you, Madam Chair, members board. [26:42] Brian and Jessica Morgan have applied for a conditional use permit to operate [26:46] a machine shop on an existing 44 plus acre parcel. U addressed is 373 baby [26:55] county road 1231. is zone A agricultural and then the [27:00] primary purpose to application is to construct and operate a machine shop for [27:05] manufacturing small parts is anticipated existing applicants single family [27:10] dwelling would continue as such the applicant's total acreage approximately [27:15] 1 and a half acres would be used for some portion of the proposed business uh [27:20] the SH would consist of a 36x 56 singlestory building uh the applicant [27:26] makes mention of one or two employees. Deliveries would be handled by the [27:31] applicant and/or delivery service such as UPS, FedEx, etc. Proposed hours, [27:37] today's days operation are 7:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Mondays through Fridays. [27:43] Uh so your plan commission did consider this on August 6th [snorts] [27:50] and provided a recommendation to approve the uh [27:59] with four conditions. Uh number one that only fully shielded light fixtures may [28:05] be used for new exterior lighting that minimize glare to passing motorists or [28:10] neighboring properties. number two that no advertising and business signage [28:14] on or adjacent to the application [28:20] as defined in the zoning rules. Number three, that there shall be no exterior [28:25] storage of merchandise or supplies relative to new business and that all [28:29] scrap waste be contained and screened from neighboring residences and public [28:34] rights away. Uh finally number four that if time [28:39] [clears throat] occupancy being proposed falls within the scope of the [28:42] international building code as adopted by Sheridan County the new structure [28:47] future structure modifications or additions will require Sheridan County [28:51] building permits. Future structure modifications may also require a new CP [28:57] straightforward madam chair. Any questions try have to try to answer [29:02] them. >> Okay. Any questions from Mark? I'm going [29:06] to go ahead and open the public hearing at 9:29. [29:12] Do we have any comments from the public? [29:17] Okay. [29:21] Going to close the public hearing at 9:29 and a half. [29:26] Um I would look for a motion. Madam chair, [29:31] [clears throat] [29:34] » I move to approve item CU-26-02 Morgan machine shop CU with [29:40] [clears throat] the poor conditions as recommended by the planning and zoning [29:43] commission. >> Second. [29:45] » Oh, we've given it to Commissioner. [laughter] [29:48] » All right, we have a motion in a second. Any discussion? [29:51] » Madam Chair, >> Commissioner Jennings, [29:53] » I'm so [clears throat] in favor of this. I'm really excited to see some machine [29:57] shop uh going on because it's certainly something that I think is county in [30:02] favor of this. >> Any other comments? Hearing none. All [30:06] those in favor, please signify by saying I. [30:09] » I. Those opposed? Motion carries. >> Our last item is to consider R26002 [30:17] BB properties reszone and I'll call on Margarit again. [30:23] » Not least. Thanks for hanging in. [30:27] » Thank you. [30:35] » EB Properties LLC by manager has applied to resolve 36.74 acres. Uh address is [30:44] 441 Avenue state highway 332. Uh it's [30:49] currently zone A agricultural after proposes to resone UR urban residential. [30:56] The sub parallel is contiguous in the city of Sheridan on the north. Urban [31:00] residential zoning on the east and south and the airport to the west. A single [31:07] family dwelling and associated buildings exist on this property. Beyond these [31:12] structures, the unplanned part is undeveloped but with the intent of [31:16] subdividing in the future. You have a concept plan as part of your application [31:22] packet as building a potential 11 lot conservation [31:28] design subdivision. Uh this far was in the past as urban residential uh when [31:35] the county first adopted zoning back in 1985 and had been resone to cultural in [31:43] 1991. [31:50] So I think it's important to note that the uh future land use map of our plan [31:57] indicates a future res urban residential [32:02] designation for this property. [32:06] So in that vein it would be consistent with at least that portion of the [32:12] comprehensive plan. Um you'll note [clears throat] [32:18] proposed new zoning uh includes a a wide variety of residential uses um beyond [32:27] what the agricultural zoning does at a density that's certainly much higher [32:32] than the a zone. Uh so planning commission uh planning and zoning [32:39] commission um had a public hearing on this and considered this application and [32:44] recommended on a vote 4 to zero to approve uh this item. So [32:51] that's all I have at this point. Madam Chair, this should should this be [32:55] reszoned, it is their intent, as I noted, to come back with a subdivision [32:59] application um [33:03] as shown in their application packet and the details of that subdivision would be [33:09] hashed out at that time including water rights, water, domestic water, sewage, [33:18] access to state highway, etc. So things are detailed so we come at a later time. [33:23] » Okay. Thank you. Um this requires a public hearing and I'm going to open it [33:28] up at 9:33. Vice chairs are here. Thanks for being [33:32] here this morning. Um do we have any comments? [33:39] No. Okay. [laughter] Quiet crowd today. Right. I'm going to [33:44] go ahead and call at 9:34. [33:49] Um, and I would look for a motion. >> Madam Chair, [33:55] » yes, Commissioner R. >> Move to approve item R-26-002 [34:02] BB properties reszone as recommended by planning zoning commission. Second [34:07] motion and a second. Any discussion? Commissioner Jennings. Yeah. [34:11] » Um, first of all, I wanted to thank uh two of our planning and zone [34:16] commissioners for being here. Uh, It's very tabbu in in here. But um you [34:24] know I'll be in favor of this right now. But there are some questions that I have [34:28] that like uh Margaret said hopefully will be answered. One of which is the [34:33] access to the highway because uh that is fairly fairly important area. There's a [34:40] lot of people that are really concerned about it. So looking forward to see what [34:44] y'all come up with. >> Right. Any other comments, questions? [34:49] Hearing none. All those in favor, please signify by saying I. I. I. [34:53] » Those opposed. Motion carries. And with that, we are adjourned at 9:35. [34:59] Thanks, folks. [35:03] Mayor Clerk, how you doing?