1 00:00:06,960 --> 00:00:15,440 Yes. Good evening and welcome to our specially called meeting and budget 2 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:22,080 workshop. Uh today is September 1st, 2026. 3 00:00:17,039 --> 00:00:28,000 It is now 6 pm. Uh we do have a quorum uh present for tonight. uh to my right 4 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:34,960 and that'll be to your left if you're watching on Facebook live or YouTube uh 5 00:00:31,119 --> 00:00:41,520 we have uh Councilman Julius Buckley and next to him uh Councilman Rosco War, 6 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:46,879 Councilman Brent Mwaters, our city manager, Mr. Lee Typton, 7 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:52,800 yours truly, uh, Councilwoman Desiree David, 8 00:00:50,320 --> 00:01:00,160 Councilwoman Rachel Hall, and Councilwoman uh, uh, Dr. Tanya Clark. 9 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:08,799 And I'm going to ask our own Deacon Rosco War if he offer us prayer tonight. 10 00:01:03,359 --> 00:01:16,520 And Miss David will do uh, our U flags for us tonight. Texas flag and oh glory. 11 00:01:13,520 --> 00:01:16,520 Yeah. 12 00:01:31,759 --> 00:01:34,759 Lord, 13 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,400 thank 14 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,439 you bless 15 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:06,200 Lord city workers 16 00:02:06,719 --> 00:02:09,719 continue 17 00:02:11,680 --> 00:02:16,280 by no long. 18 00:02:28,000 --> 00:02:35,239 Amen. >> Amen. Amen. 19 00:02:30,239 --> 00:02:35,239 » Would everyone please the flag 20 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:45,120 » to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it 21 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:51,280 stands. One nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 22 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:59,480 » Texas flag. I aliance to thee Texas one state 23 00:02:55,920 --> 00:02:59,480 one and indivisible. 24 00:03:08,239 --> 00:03:16,080 Okay, we'll now move on to our uh public comments. 25 00:03:12,959 --> 00:03:20,720 Any person with city related business may speak to the council in compliance 26 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:25,280 with the Texas Open Meetings Act. The city council may not discuss or vote on 27 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:30,720 any matter raised in public comments unless it is specifically on the agenda. 28 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:36,400 To speak during a council meeting, the presiding officer must recognize you. 29 00:03:34,239 --> 00:03:40,239 And with that being said, uh, Miss Oneita, do we have anyone signed up for 30 00:03:38,319 --> 00:03:43,239 tonight? Okay. 31 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:53,840 Okay, since we have no one signed up to speak tonight, uh we're going to move in 32 00:03:49,200 --> 00:03:56,840 to uh open our public hearing tonight. Uh 33 00:03:56,959 --> 00:04:10,840 public hearing on fiscal year 2026 2027 budget. It is uh 34 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:10,840 now 6:05 and we will open our hearing. 35 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,720 I give him a minute. 36 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:42,600 Okay. Since we have uh no comments on in our public hearing, I will now close the 37 00:04:37,840 --> 00:04:42,600 public hearing at 6:05. 38 00:04:43,440 --> 00:04:52,880 Okay. Now, I'll call the regular meeting to order 39 00:04:48,880 --> 00:04:59,840 and um that'll be 603. Okay. Uh we're going to 40 00:04:57,199 --> 00:05:05,440 start out with item number three. And we're going to go back to item number 41 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:10,479 two. Uh, okay. Item number three, approve 42 00:05:07,840 --> 00:05:15,199 contract with Blue Shield, Blue Cross Blue Shield for 43 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:19,280 employee benefits and authorize the city manager to 44 00:05:17,039 --> 00:05:25,080 execute the contract. Miss Angela, you mind stating your name 45 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,080 and title? 46 00:05:30,479 --> 00:05:36,120 Angel director 47 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:44,680 contract 48 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,520 questions. 49 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:14,120 red light. 50 00:06:16,400 --> 00:06:19,880 » Yeah, there it goes. 51 00:06:19,919 --> 00:06:25,199 » I do just have one question. I remember uh speaking about it last time and I 52 00:06:23,919 --> 00:06:29,120 understand the only difference is needing to claim a primary care 53 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:32,720 physician. Is that correct with the current plan? And then they would need 54 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:37,600 to get the referral to a specialist. >> Correct. 55 00:06:33,039 --> 00:06:42,240 » Um how does that delay um special care needs? Like does it mean that they might 56 00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:45,520 be waiting three or six months in a referral process or can they still 57 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:50,319 pretty much get immediately get the care that they need through um their primary 58 00:06:47,759 --> 00:06:54,240 care provider or a specialist? >> That's going to be up to the primary 59 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:56,639 care provider. So if they feel that Sorry. 60 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:59,280 » Yeah, ma'am. Would you mind stating your name and 61 00:06:57,280 --> 00:07:03,360 » Oh, my name is Alison GM. with Hub International. Um, so that depends on 62 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:06,639 the primary care physician. If the primary care physician feels that the 63 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:10,240 patient is authorized for a specialist visit, then they can prescribe that 64 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:13,919 referral right then and there. If they do not feel like they need it and they 65 00:07:11,599 --> 00:07:18,479 want to run a couple tests beyond the initial visit, then yes, it can cause a 66 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:21,280 delay, but that is up to the primary care physician's discretion, not up to 67 00:07:20,240 --> 00:07:25,080 the Blue Cross plan. >> Okay, great. Thank you. 68 00:07:28,560 --> 00:07:38,479 Any other questions? >> Okay. Do we have any other questions u 69 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:42,039 concerning Blue Cross Blue Shield employee benefits? 70 00:07:42,319 --> 00:07:47,080 » Okay, there be no other questions. 71 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:52,880 » Make a motion we approve contract of Blue Shield, Blue Cross Blue Shield for 72 00:07:51,360 --> 00:07:58,000 employee benefit and authorize city manager to execute the contract. 73 00:07:54,800 --> 00:08:01,280 » Second. Okay, I have a a motion. by Mr. Buckley. I have a second by Mr. 74 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:06,720 Magwaters. Any other questions or comments? 75 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:13,919 Okay. All those in favor? 76 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:16,080 Okay. Motion carries. Seven to zero. Uh thank you, Miss Angela. 77 00:08:15,199 --> 00:08:21,360 » Thank you. >> Thank you, ma'am. Be safe going home. 78 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:25,919 » Okay. >> Sorry. 79 00:08:23,199 --> 00:08:28,240 » Okay. We're going to go back to item number two. have a safe trip home. Thank 80 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:31,599 you. >> Okay. 81 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:37,279 » Okay. We're going to go back to item uh number two and uh Angela, you can stay 82 00:08:34,320 --> 00:08:41,839 there. Consider and approve the revised city of Cleveland employee handbook. 83 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:44,839 Uh Angela. 84 00:08:46,399 --> 00:08:53,680 » And we should have Miss Christina who's going to be um joining us virtual. She 85 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:56,680 was not able to attend due to the weather. 86 00:08:58,640 --> 00:09:05,120 Good evening, council. This is Christina Peters. I'm with Charlesworth Consulting 87 00:09:02,959 --> 00:09:09,120 and I had the privilege of working with your HR department with Angela and 88 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:14,959 Felicity on revising the employee handbook. Uh primarily the old one that 89 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:20,000 was in existence. We just wanted to make sure it was updated, it complied with 90 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:24,800 both federal and state laws, make sure we were in compliance, um, and did an 91 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:29,360 overhaul to make sure it was easily accessible to employees, make sure it 92 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:33,440 was searchable, um, and in a format which they can understand. So, we spent 93 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:38,080 a large amount of time going through each section. Um, I know you all have 94 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:42,959 had a chance to review it. We spent many many sessions with both HR directors 95 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:47,839 have reviewed it and had an opportunity to ask questions and provide comments as 96 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:52,320 well as the city manager and legal has done a review. So I just wanted to be 97 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:56,800 here to answer any questions for you folks if you had any questions in 98 00:09:54,480 --> 00:10:01,279 particular on certain policies or on the process just to make sure everybody was 99 00:09:58,880 --> 00:10:08,240 in full understanding uh to move forward with the final copy of the employee 100 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:08,240 handbook for the city of Cleveland. 101 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:19,360 I do have questions. Um, and so who am who am I addressing because there's 102 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:21,680 several questions in regards. So am I addressing you or the consultant or who 103 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:24,959 am I speaking to? >> You can address the consultant and she 104 00:10:23,279 --> 00:10:32,000 can answer them for you. >> Okay. All right. Um, so I'm on page 16 105 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:40,079 of the I'll just start there for anyone who's looking. Um this is about the job 106 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:46,959 postings and applications and and the second sentence begins job 107 00:10:43,680 --> 00:10:51,839 vacancies will normally be posted both internally and externally unless 108 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:57,680 otherwise approved by human resources. And my question for our city staff is 109 00:10:54,560 --> 00:11:03,519 why we're using the uh the language of normally and not having 110 00:11:00,480 --> 00:11:09,760 a policy where we post all positions uh both part-time and full-time in external 111 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:14,720 and internal um and removing the word normally 112 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:20,640 for city staff or the consultant in regards to page 16. I'm yeah p sorry one 113 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:23,839 says 16 the other one says 20. So on this 114 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:26,880 » it's fine. So this is just just the wording. I mean that can this is an 115 00:11:25,360 --> 00:11:30,880 editable document. This is a living document. So as time progresses, we 116 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:34,240 wanted to make sure it was in a capacity where changes could be made as 117 00:11:32,240 --> 00:11:38,560 situations arise. Normally is typically put in there. Um in the event that you 118 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:43,519 just want to post something internally if you have a large ACU um applicant 119 00:11:40,800 --> 00:11:50,320 pool of a certain position internally. Sometimes that option is pro um is 120 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:53,920 preferred by both city management and HR but normally is in there because you're 121 00:11:51,680 --> 00:11:58,240 right in most cases it would be posted both internally and 122 00:11:55,839 --> 00:12:02,880 externally but again policies are meant to give so employees know what the 123 00:12:01,040 --> 00:12:06,079 boundaries are. They know what the protocols are. They know what they're 124 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:10,639 allowed to do and what they're not. But we also want to make sure that we 125 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:14,959 account as HR professionals. we can't account for every single situation that 126 00:12:12,639 --> 00:12:18,560 may occur just because it's a changing environment, things come to play and 127 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:23,519 quite honestly policies are put in place because at some point um in the in the 128 00:12:22,079 --> 00:12:27,920 past something has happened that has required a policy to be written. So 129 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:32,639 normally just captures the event that a situation were arise. Typically this is 130 00:12:30,560 --> 00:12:37,440 pretty normal. You would see most cities there are opportunities where they feel 131 00:12:34,639 --> 00:12:41,360 like the AC applicant pool internally is of high caliber and there's several 132 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:46,959 people to apply and we'd rather promote within. So that's just allowing that 133 00:12:43,680 --> 00:12:50,800 availability if that were to arise. >> But it doesn't exclude it from always 134 00:12:49,279 --> 00:12:54,320 being internally and externally if that's how HR and city management want 135 00:12:52,880 --> 00:12:59,120 to proceed. >> Okay, great. and and I uh you're exactly 136 00:12:56,959 --> 00:13:03,440 right in regards to, you know, certain things happen and we have had things 137 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:07,519 happen within the city with uh job postings in the past and certain people 138 00:13:05,519 --> 00:13:10,880 being given positions that have landed this city in the news. And so I think 139 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:15,440 when we are coming up with the policy that hasn't been updated in 20 years 140 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:20,480 that we're showing that we are, you know, um as far as transparency that 141 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:24,079 we're we're posting jobs and whether you're internal or external, all 142 00:13:22,079 --> 00:13:28,160 candidates will be reviewed. you have the the system that gives you those cut 143 00:13:26,399 --> 00:13:32,079 questions, you know, your your questions that knocks um applicants off if they 144 00:13:30,560 --> 00:13:38,079 don't quite meet the standard, right? So, I just think it would be a good idea 145 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:42,880 to have that in place of that we do post internally and externally. Um, instead 146 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:47,839 of saying that we sort of have a policy normally, uh, this is to me is a little 147 00:13:45,680 --> 00:13:50,800 bit more gray. Um, because it could be about any position all the way up to 148 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:57,360 city manager and all the way down to a part-time employee, right? So that's my 149 00:13:54,160 --> 00:14:04,480 first question um or for discussion with council or city staff. Um the second one 150 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:09,639 is on page 19 slash23 whichever. Um 151 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:17,279 » in regards to the interviews. >> Yes. Yes ma'am. Um on this one um it 152 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:22,399 says all interviews must include the participation of human resources and the 153 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:26,639 department director or their design. Um panel interviews are encouraged uh for 154 00:14:24,639 --> 00:14:32,720 the preferred selection method to ensure consistency. um right off the bat is uh 155 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:38,639 I believe we have a pretty small uh human resources department that's pretty 156 00:14:34,959 --> 00:14:43,360 busy and if we have again a part-time library aid being uh interviewed for a 157 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:47,680 position it would make sense for the timeliness of um everyone and all their 158 00:14:45,839 --> 00:14:50,880 duties that the department head and whomever is on their staff and the team 159 00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:55,360 that would be hiring would be able to facilitate that. uh when it says 160 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:59,600 participation of the human resources, if we're including a human resources 161 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:03,440 director in all interviews, uh that salary is a pretty high salary. Director 162 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:10,959 salaries are higher than employee salaries and so the cost of taxpayer 163 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:16,880 money is do we need two directors in all um interviews or can we rely on our 164 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:23,199 department head directors to facilitate that and to choose who will be on the 165 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:27,920 panel from their team. So per this policy, this was already in 166 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:31,519 play. So this was um a policy that the city was already following where human 167 00:15:29,839 --> 00:15:35,600 resources was present during all interviews. It does not designate that 168 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:39,920 it has to be the HR director. It just has to be human resources. So it can be 169 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:44,079 anybody within that department. That being said, for cities that are 170 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:50,000 typically under 200, this is this is very common um 171 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:55,839 for a couple reasons. one, it's the only consist consistency check that exists. 172 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:59,040 So, we HR is there to make sure that they are in compliance with laws. No 173 00:15:57,519 --> 00:16:03,920 one's asking a question they shouldn't be asking. That the questions are not 174 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:09,360 only fair, but they're consistent across the practice where you're not um asking 175 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:13,519 some candidates a set of questions and then pivoting to something else for 176 00:16:10,959 --> 00:16:17,920 somebody else. You know, these are open records. If there's written notes, HR 177 00:16:16,079 --> 00:16:23,040 collects those at the end of each of the interviews. Make sure that they're saved 178 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:27,440 for a period of time. Again, it does protect against le legal exposure just 179 00:16:25,440 --> 00:16:30,639 again to make sure sometimes when you have people in, they don't know what to 180 00:16:28,959 --> 00:16:36,000 ask and they ask things that they shouldn't. It also allows for protection 181 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:42,079 for the department heads as well as the people being interviewed. So, I do think 182 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:49,199 this is very common. Obviously in a city of 1500 employees this is not possible 183 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:53,199 but you know I currently consult on an HR perspective for several cities up 184 00:16:50,959 --> 00:16:57,120 here in North Texas. All of them are under 200 and this is very common in all 185 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,880 of them. It's been the process that's been in place for quite a while. Um I do 186 00:16:59,519 --> 00:17:05,439 agree it doesn't always have to be the director. it just has to be someone in 187 00:17:02,480 --> 00:17:10,319 HR. And the only reason again is to ensure consistency and transparency and 188 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:13,520 fairness throughout the evaluation of all the candidates. It's just making 189 00:17:12,079 --> 00:17:17,679 sure that everybody's on the same playing field because again, like you 190 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:22,559 said earlier, transparency is so important and the interview process. You 191 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:27,439 know, it's very easy to ask a question that should not be asked to someone who 192 00:17:24,959 --> 00:17:31,919 isn't living and breathing this policy all the time. So, it's just put in as a 193 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:35,280 measure of protection for your staff, for the candidate, and for the city as a 194 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:39,280 whole from a liability standpoint. >> Okay. And I do have a followup on that 195 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:43,760 in regards to the consistency of what they're asking. Just as someone who has 196 00:17:41,280 --> 00:17:48,160 participated in pan panel interviews, both um on both sides of them. Um 197 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:51,760 consistency would typically come with a piece of paper of written questions and 198 00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:55,600 everyone would be provided with those. It wouldn't necessarily take one 199 00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:59,360 specific person from HR to say what questions are approved to have to sit 200 00:17:57,600 --> 00:18:02,960 there. I I guess I'm just going with manh hours. If we have a small HR 201 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:07,440 department, whether it's a director or she has one or two assistants, one 202 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:11,760 » one uh HR generalist, >> just one. So there's only two people for 203 00:18:09,360 --> 00:18:16,960 the whole city versus relying on the training. You mentioned something like 204 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:23,360 um trained to handle the questions that might not be compliant with laws. Um, 205 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:28,480 I'm going to say that our directors are um well-versed in their in their hiring 206 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:32,880 process and that they would be able to complete any training that any other 207 00:18:30,799 --> 00:18:36,320 individual on human resources could complete in order to make sure that they 208 00:18:35,039 --> 00:18:42,320 are being consistent and if we're looking for consistent questions, uh, 209 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:46,559 those can be printed. Um, I just it's about the setting a policy that looks 210 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:50,799 like we're pulling multiple departments and doing something whenever directors I 211 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:56,160 feel like could take that control on their hiring process and be trained just 212 00:18:53,520 --> 00:19:01,200 as much as any additional re human resources to um to be in compliance of 213 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:04,799 laws and knowing what we were asking because you you print it out, you write 214 00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:08,080 it down. and our directors are very capable and competent and they can 215 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:13,280 choose people on their team to have two or more people in that interview. 216 00:19:11,360 --> 00:19:16,880 » Yeah, it does it does state that the department director or the design. So 217 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:20,720 the department director does not always have to be the one in there. I think 218 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:24,480 those are valid points. Again, our our roles to as we rolled out these 219 00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:28,960 policies, are they best practice? Are they widely accepted? Is this you know, 220 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:31,679 if you pull any policy book from any city in the state of Texas and there's 221 00:19:30,320 --> 00:19:36,160 over 4,000, none of them are going to look identical. Everyone's going to have 222 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:40,720 their own set of processes or procedures um that differ vary throughout the book. 223 00:19:38,799 --> 00:19:45,760 This is very common practice in smaller sized cities. Again, there's no right or 224 00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:49,520 wrong answer. It's just as a policy what the city of Cleveland would like to do 225 00:19:47,840 --> 00:19:53,520 in this system in this instance and this is what they've been following up to 226 00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:57,919 date. So, I would assume if there was an issue from a time capacity, they would 227 00:19:55,679 --> 00:20:01,600 be aware and maybe you know want to edit that. But at the time being, again, our 228 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:08,320 job was to make sure was this best practice? Did it violate any compliance? 229 00:20:05,919 --> 00:20:11,200 And it just again it's just another layer of consistency and transparency 230 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:14,400 throughout the process. >> Yes, ma'am. And I'm I'm going to come 231 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:20,240 back to that and I guess with the compliance or best practices compliance 232 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:23,760 again, I believe our directors would be in compliance and do that. I'm just 233 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:28,320 going back to the language. It says all interviews must have HR, but they may or 234 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:32,960 may not have the department director of the department being hired. Um, and I 235 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:36,720 feel like that should maybe be flip-flopped. Like your director of the 236 00:20:34,799 --> 00:20:41,440 department hiring for their team should be there and they may or may not ask HR 237 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:45,679 to come in and assist because they would be aware of compliance and training and 238 00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:49,600 questions and we would trust them with that, right? Because if there's only two 239 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:54,400 people in our HR and you know it's a busy city, it's a small city wearing 240 00:20:51,360 --> 00:20:59,840 many hats. If we did have to always the must, the word must with HR, if it was 241 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:03,840 the director of HR, again, we're looking at pulling someone away from their more 242 00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:08,880 day-to-day um responsibilities potentially at the 243 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:12,880 higher cost of taxpayer versus departments just having that like local 244 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:17,440 control, right? Like that's your department and you can ask for HR for 245 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:21,600 consistency. Um, but I feel like everyone can be trained and know exactly 246 00:21:19,200 --> 00:21:26,960 what to do. So, it's just the must word. I feel like maybe should be 247 00:21:24,159 --> 00:21:30,880 » if I may interrupt. Sorry. So, when we do these interviews, I do give out 248 00:21:29,120 --> 00:21:37,919 binders and at the front of their binder, they're given a guide on what 249 00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:45,039 not to say, um, what is not legal. Um, and even with that guide and me being in 250 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:50,240 there, there's been multiple times that I have a director or somebody from the 251 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:55,919 panel who would not ask the question as is. You would think that it would be 252 00:21:52,080 --> 00:22:02,400 something simple and sometimes it's just I mean for whatever reason but that that 253 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:07,120 is why HR is in there to you know interrupt and and say that we have to go 254 00:22:05,360 --> 00:22:11,919 exactly according to these questions. These questions are given to the 255 00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:15,840 directors and to the panel. Um, and we, you know, do, you know, sometimes say, 256 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:20,480 you know, make sure that you read it as is, but there has been multiple times 257 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:25,760 that they, you know, veer off of what that question is. Um, but and and I 258 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:29,679 understand that in that regard, and that might be a training with the directors 259 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:32,000 as far as stick to the script, right? Because then if we're saying someone 260 00:22:30,799 --> 00:22:34,880 needs being there watching over a director providing an interview for 261 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:39,200 their department to make sure they're not asking something that wasn't in the 262 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:43,679 script um or for compliance then we're saying again if it's as an HR director 263 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:46,640 versed in the law all directors can be versed in a hiring law through a 264 00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:51,280 training because then we're going to go back to it's the cost of taxpayer money 265 00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:56,000 an hour of your time where is it most valuable sitting in all interviews with 266 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:59,679 the word must or being asked for an assistance because a new director says 267 00:22:57,919 --> 00:23:03,440 hey I've never really interviewed will you come and help me and be a mentor to 268 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:08,080 me as I interview versus maybe an experienced uh director with 20 years 269 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:12,240 that you know can stay in compliance and move forward with their team. Um so as 270 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:18,240 far as for council that's my question on this page predominantly it's the must 271 00:23:15,200 --> 00:23:21,600 with the for human resources versus the director. Um, and then 272 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:25,200 » I'm sorry. Can I get clarity on what you're what you're communicating? 273 00:23:22,799 --> 00:23:29,440 Because I hear you continue to exclude the department director. But if you read 274 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:34,960 the sentence and the way it was written, it says must include the participation 275 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:39,679 of human resources and there is no or there. The or does not come into play is 276 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:45,039 in the event the department director is not able to be present. So I I keep 277 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:48,640 hearing that the department director there's alternatives, but there's not. 278 00:23:46,799 --> 00:23:52,799 That is a clearly defined sentence where two people that they're asking to be 279 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:57,440 there. My second comment or I want to get clarity around what exactly are you 280 00:23:54,799 --> 00:24:01,520 asking is the participation of human resources. It does not define what that 281 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:07,039 needs to look like. It does not say she has to be present. It says she has to 282 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:12,640 participate. Her participation could be that she provided a training. her 283 00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:16,400 participation could be that she came in and sat in the first part of the 284 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:21,440 interview and then she may have to leave. It does not say and it also does 285 00:24:19,120 --> 00:24:25,679 not say that the human resources director is actually making the 286 00:24:23,679 --> 00:24:30,799 decision. She is not one of the voting members. She's only there in presence to 287 00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:36,400 protect the city. So, I guess where I'm really concerned is why we're stuck on a 288 00:24:33,919 --> 00:24:42,640 word that does not define her role or position in a hiring opportunity. 289 00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:46,400 » Okay. Yes, ma'am. So, and again, this is interpretation of whoever's reading 290 00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:49,919 whenever it said must include the participation of human resources and 291 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:53,919 this is an updated version than the one we got before because the one before did 292 00:24:51,679 --> 00:24:57,120 say human resources director I believe. >> Uh it just said human resources. Okay, 293 00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:01,360 then that's my mistake on the department director or their design. uh the 294 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:04,320 department director or their designate. I thought that you just said right now 295 00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:07,840 that if the department director couldn't make it, they could send someone from 296 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:11,919 their staff. Did I hear you say that correctly? 297 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:16,240 » Correct. So, it's basically human resources. It's the department head and 298 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:20,799 we typically have a panel of three people. If if there is a supervisor or a 299 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:24,960 manager within that department, that person, you know, for the most part is 300 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:30,240 there so they can give feedback to their department head. Um after we do the 301 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:34,159 interviews then everybody has to submit you know a summary of who their 302 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:37,679 selection is and why. Then that information is then forwarded over to 303 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:42,559 the city manager who has the final say so as to who is actually selected. 304 00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:47,039 » Okay. So according to this language of must include the participation of human 305 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:52,960 resources as Dr. Clark was asking for clarification. This did not mean human 306 00:25:50,799 --> 00:25:56,880 participation and this policy was written in regards to you might just 307 00:25:54,640 --> 00:26:02,000 provide a training andor a manual and or a book. So the the message behind this 308 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:06,240 or the interpretation does not necessarily mean a person from human 309 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:09,600 resources. Is that accurate? Because I believe that's the question. 310 00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:15,039 » No, that's not what I said. What I said was with the word must, there are 311 00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:20,000 variations in how that can look. we're getting stuck on a word that is slowing 312 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:24,799 down a process. But then what you were saying was that we were not inviting the 313 00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:28,640 department director and that's not what the language says. The language says 314 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:34,159 that at least those two people in whatever that capacity looks like has to 315 00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:39,200 be there. What I hear you I think what I hear you're saying is that you want to 316 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:45,279 have bulleted opportunities to clarify the must because if you're going to use 317 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:50,960 your word interpretation must does not mean she has to be present. Must means 318 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:55,760 that there is some level of involvement from HR but just the fact that she's 319 00:26:53,520 --> 00:27:00,960 pulling applications to provide us an opportunity to even select a candidate. 320 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:06,720 She has to be involved. You cannot hire someone without having the influence of 321 00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:11,279 human resources. So I guess where I'm really trying to gather in this moment 322 00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:16,400 and in this space is what exactly do you want? Do you want to remove the word 323 00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:20,559 must or do you want us to clarify must? Because we're just circling the wagons 324 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:24,480 on a word and we're not moving forward and the goal is to move forward. So, I 325 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:30,080 guess if you would take a moment and define exactly what you want, then we 326 00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:33,520 can give you an answer or take a vote so we can move forward because I'm I'm 327 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:37,039 really having a rough time sitting here getting stuck on the word must. 328 00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:41,919 » Okay. And so, just for my own clarification to provide that, I'm just 329 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:45,760 going to reask what I think I already asked. When you read must have the 330 00:27:43,919 --> 00:27:49,279 participation of human resources and the department director of their design, 331 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,600 does the department director have to be there? Yes or no? based on that 332 00:27:50,799 --> 00:27:55,840 language. >> It's either anybody from HR is there. 333 00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:58,799 It's either me or Felicity, >> but it's not always me. 334 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:01,600 » Okay. And I'm just talking about department director. I'm sorry. I wasn't 335 00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:04,720 even referring to human resources. I was just talking about that department 336 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:09,120 director part. That was the question is based off of that language. It is 337 00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:13,279 someone from human resources involved. And it sounds like in person, not with a 338 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:17,919 book or a training. And it is the department director or their design. 339 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:22,799 They might send someone else. So someone it could be two or more but the must 340 00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:26,640 would be HR would be there may or may not be the director and so my 341 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:31,840 clarification of the must was turning that around. Is there a possibility that 342 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:35,919 the director must be there and it may or may not include the support of HR to be 343 00:28:33,919 --> 00:28:39,679 there with them. That's the one specific question 344 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:43,679 about the word must. I think that would depend upon the department director 345 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:46,640 again or their designate. If it was in say public works and and I don't know 346 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,960 your structure, but you have a superintendent or you have a a 347 00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:54,480 supervisor or you might have multiple panels. If it comes down to two and you 348 00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:57,600 need to do it again, maybe the director doesn't feel like they need to be in the 349 00:28:55,679 --> 00:29:00,559 second round of interviews. So, Angela knows the pulse of the department. She's 350 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:04,480 obviously communicating with them throughout this entire process and 351 00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:07,520 making sure that their needs are met, make sure their answers are met, and 352 00:29:05,840 --> 00:29:11,600 that she's there to support them in this role to make sure that they pick the 353 00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:16,960 most qualified applicant. I think this statement clearly was just put in place 354 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:21,039 to document a process that HR is going to walk alongside the department 355 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:25,039 director or their design within an interview to make sure, and in all 356 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:31,200 fairness, you know, when you're in another department, your craft is not 357 00:29:27,919 --> 00:29:35,600 HR. your craft is public works or police or marketing or whatever the case may 358 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:39,840 be. So, it's very easy. You can have all the training in the world. I have been 359 00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:44,480 sat interviews with extremely competent, intelligent, well-versed directors and 360 00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:49,279 in the moment a question gets asked not because they they wanted to go around 361 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:54,000 any rule of compliance. It's just not what they live and breathe. So, HR being 362 00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:58,320 in attendance is only there to support them and rein things back in. And I'm 363 00:29:56,559 --> 00:30:02,399 assuming Angela and Felicity, they monitor and they manage their time to be 364 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:07,120 able to accommodate and it might not be the whole interview. It just depends on 365 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:11,200 that particular instance. So this policy was just put in place to provide the 366 00:30:09,679 --> 00:30:14,960 boundary and the guideline that human resources is going to walk alongside 367 00:30:13,039 --> 00:30:19,520 that department and that director through this process to make sure they 368 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:24,559 have the most qualified candidate. >> Okay. Thank you. My next question is on 369 00:30:21,679 --> 00:30:29,360 page 20 though I guess if there's other council members with feedback or 370 00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:33,919 direction on if change of any questions that prior um is it does say that all 371 00:30:32,399 --> 00:30:38,320 employment is extended through human resources all offers which is I 372 00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:43,840 understand standard HR is going to reach out for the hiring process. I'm just 373 00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:48,320 curious if that um going back to the posting of they may or may not be posted 374 00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:53,919 positions and going back to what our city has faced in the past where maybe 375 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:58,000 um HR has moved somebody into a role without it being posted. And so is there 376 00:30:56,559 --> 00:31:04,240 something that's going to be added to the language here that includes after 377 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:09,440 positions are posted or um interviewed for in regards to before extending the 378 00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:14,799 offer? No, this this is just in reference to 379 00:31:12,559 --> 00:31:20,159 the actual hiring process that the actual offer must come through HR for 380 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:23,760 multiple reasons and then those are conditional upon and the and the 381 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:28,240 important part of this policy is that is conditional upon successful completion 382 00:31:25,919 --> 00:31:33,440 of the background check, physical exam when applicable drug testing etc. in 383 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:38,159 terms of the application or the job posting that was covered prior where we 384 00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:42,720 have already discussed this that would be um normally internally and externally 385 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:48,720 and again that's only put into place if the situation arises where you know city 386 00:31:45,279 --> 00:31:52,559 management and HR feel that in a certain instance or what if there is no internal 387 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:57,440 well I guess there wouldn't be you could cross but there might be an instance 388 00:31:55,120 --> 00:32:02,640 where again you have six very qualified people who all would fit that role very 389 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:06,720 well and they've all indicated interest in that position, you would, 390 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:11,840 you know, post that internally, go through the same process and hopefully, 391 00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:18,399 you know, internally promote whatever the case may be. But this only addresses 392 00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:21,840 the hiring process of the offer and then that it's conditional upon those items. 393 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:27,679 » Okay. So, it's just the paperwork. Wonderful. Okay. And then my last 394 00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:32,799 question is on the page 2226 about uh transfers and reassignments. Um, and 395 00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:36,799 again going back with some of the history the city has had with different 396 00:32:34,799 --> 00:32:40,720 transfers and reassignments and when we have ended up in the news, it says 397 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:44,320 department directors may request a promotion or a transfer prior to six 398 00:32:42,799 --> 00:32:48,240 months of service with a written request to HR. Reassignments may occur as 399 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:52,320 necessary to meet operational requirements. So you could have uh, you 400 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:56,399 know, some again anywhere from part-time all the way up to city manager positions 401 00:32:54,000 --> 00:33:02,880 open, right? And so if you're looking at reassignments, my question is about if 402 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:08,000 uh directors are requesting a transfer and if they are in department A and they 403 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:13,200 want to request from a employee of department B, do both directors of 404 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:18,080 department A and B have to meet and agree first before a transfer is 405 00:33:15,519 --> 00:33:21,519 initiated and approved? And so because I know that that's 406 00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:25,600 something similar like for example in the school system if I work at one 407 00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:30,080 campus and I want to transfer to the other campus for another grade level or 408 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:36,320 position both principles would have to be in agreement of that transfer. So are 409 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:39,919 both directors in agreement of transfers or is it just one that says I would like 410 00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:44,880 for this employee to transfer to my department and they can get permission. 411 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:48,480 It would be inherently both departments and then it would be requested through 412 00:33:46,399 --> 00:33:51,919 HR and approved by the city manager. >> Okay. So both directors would be 413 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:54,960 involved in the discussion and then they would take it to HR and then it would be 414 00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:58,159 approved by the city manager would be the process for transfer. 415 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:02,480 » Yes ma'am. >> Okay. Because the way that again my 416 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:06,240 interpretation of the text is it it sounded like just one director could 417 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:10,320 just request a transfer to HR and just take an employee and it may or may not 418 00:34:08,159 --> 00:34:14,639 involve the involvement of the other director. the employee may have been 419 00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:17,040 working with. So that's all the questions 420 00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:20,079 » director >> I I would you know I would never want to 421 00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:23,440 put another employee in a department with everyone wasn't in agreement. So in 422 00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:27,280 this case, yes, both of them would agree. It's the right thing to do. It 423 00:34:25,599 --> 00:34:31,520 would go through HR. City manager would approve. All is well. 424 00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:33,200 » All right. Thank you. >> Okay. 425 00:34:32,079 --> 00:34:37,560 » You are so welcome. >> Anybody else have any other questions? 426 00:34:37,839 --> 00:34:41,320 Any other comments? 427 00:34:42,399 --> 00:34:48,960 » Okay. Do I have a motion to >> I would like to make a motion to approve 428 00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:53,440 the revised city of Cleveland employee handbook. 429 00:34:49,760 --> 00:35:01,720 » Second. Okay. I have a motion by Miss David. I have a second by Mr. Mwaters. 430 00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:01,720 Okay. Any other questions or comments? 431 00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,680 Okay. All those in favor. 432 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:14,160 Okay. Motion carries. Seven to zero. >> Thank you, council. 433 00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:18,000 » Thank you so much. >> Okay. 434 00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:23,040 Okay. Now, we're going to move on to item number four. Uh Uh, Mr. Mayor, uh, 435 00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:27,520 I'd like to make a motion that we table number four as the dates. 436 00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:30,800 » I believe there's some confusion in some of the dates. So, I make a motion we 437 00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:34,960 table number four. >> Okay. 438 00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:40,720 » Okay. I have a motion to table item number four, the road closure request 439 00:35:38,079 --> 00:35:46,640 for the Cleveland Athletic Booster Glow-in-the-dark 5K funright razor on 440 00:35:43,839 --> 00:35:53,359 September 12th. Okay. I have a motion by Mr. Mwaters and there's a second by Mr. 441 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:57,520 Ward. Okay. All those any other questions? 442 00:35:54,960 --> 00:36:04,560 Okay. All those in favor? Okay. Motion CL caris 7 to zero. Okay. 443 00:36:01,839 --> 00:36:08,160 Uh item number five, authorize amendments to the infrastructure 444 00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:15,240 maintenance agreement with McKenley development for section 9 of Grand Oak 445 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:15,240 reserves public improvements. 446 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:20,720 Okay. Uh, thank you, Mayor and Council. 447 00:36:19,210 --> 00:36:23,599 [clears throat] Millia Lavar. >> There you go. State your name. 448 00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:29,920 » Millia Lavaro, director of community and economic development. Um, so this is an 449 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:36,240 item that we presented last at the last uh regular meeting. Um, and so since 450 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:41,040 then there's just been some um uh amendments sought by the developer. um 451 00:36:39,440 --> 00:36:46,560 they didn't have very much time to review the uh text when it was turned 452 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:50,320 around um by staff in the city attorney's office. So, in fairness, you 453 00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:54,720 know, that was kind of their first opportunity to look over some of the uh 454 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:58,400 the text. So, they just came back with a few things. We've kind of outlined that 455 00:36:56,079 --> 00:37:02,480 in the staff report and it's certainly there for you to review in the red 456 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:06,480 lines. Uh but again, this can be kind of summarized to they wanted to clarify 457 00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:12,079 when the effective date was going to take effect. um and really u when that 458 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:16,560 would start. And so there's a two-year maintenance period outlined in this 459 00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:22,640 agreement. Uh and that would have that would effectively start um uh take 460 00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:28,000 effect in November 25, which is when they uh receive substantial completion 461 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:33,280 for those infrastructure improvements in that section of Grand Oaks. Um and then 462 00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:39,760 kind of they wanted to elaborate on the kind of inspection process after that 463 00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:43,040 two-year maintenance. uh window and um just kind of elaborate on some of the 464 00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:48,480 text that was there and kind of just spell that out more clearly. And then 465 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:52,480 they changed a few terms um like one of them was detention facilities that's 466 00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:58,480 just generalized to improvements now which is probably more broader in our 467 00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:02,800 favor. And then uh also wanted to change uh you know it says initial payment that 468 00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:09,040 should really be the total payment for this uh consideration um since this is 469 00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:14,320 in lie of bond shy bond for the maintenance. 470 00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:20,359 So I'm happy to entertain any questions. That was the synopsis of the amendments 471 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:20,359 to the agreement. 472 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:30,960 Any other questions? Okay, if there are no questions, 473 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:33,839 make a motion we uh authorize amendment to the infrastructure maintenance 474 00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:37,040 agreement with McK McKinley development for section 9 of Grand Oaks Reserve. 475 00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:41,440 » Second. >> Okay. I have a motion by Mr. Magwaters. 476 00:38:39,119 --> 00:38:47,520 I have a second by Mr. Buckley. Any other questions, comments? Okay. All 477 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:53,200 those in favor? Okay. Motion carries. Seven to zero. 478 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:59,359 Okay. We're going to move on to item number six. Approval of the final plat 479 00:38:55,599 --> 00:39:05,240 of Grand O Reserve phase 3 section 9 approximately 480 00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:05,240 uh 9171 481 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:17,839 acres situated in the Joseph Finner Survey abstract number 441 482 00:39:14,560 --> 00:39:25,440 Cleveland Liberty County, Texas. generally located along Pine Ben Court. 483 00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:30,880 » Um, correction, apologies. So, I was just looking at that last bit. So, this 484 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:34,720 is generally located um along Grand Oaks Boulevard 485 00:39:32,240 --> 00:39:40,480 » uh that was just left over from uh a recent plat case, but this is the kind 486 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:44,320 of sister uh item to the the maintenance agreement that we just looked at. And so 487 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:48,960 this was kind of the the maintenance agreement um was the last thing that we 488 00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:53,119 needed in order to comply with our subdivision ordinance that would allow 489 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:59,440 us to move forward with the final plat for this section uh of Grand Oaks. And 490 00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:04,400 so this section would provide for 20 uh 45 lots, four blocks and nine reserves 491 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:10,079 called Grand Oaks Reserve Phase 3 section 9 final plan. So staff has 492 00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:14,599 reviewed it. We do recommend approval. Uh we do happy to answer any questions. 493 00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:21,960 » Make a motion we approve item six. 494 00:40:23,359 --> 00:40:32,240 » Okay, I have a motion and a second on the table. Any other questions? 495 00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:39,200 Okay, no questions. Uh all those in favor? 496 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:44,160 Okay, motion carries seven to zero. Okay. 497 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:47,480 Okay. We're going to move on to item number eight. 498 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:57,640 Okay. Seven. Okay. Hang on. I'm thinking Oh, one's cut off on my sheet here. 499 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:12,000 Okay. Okay. Sorry about that. 500 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:16,640 Okay. Uh, second reading of a resolution authorizing real property acquisition 501 00:41:14,720 --> 00:41:22,480 project of the Cleveland Economic Development Corporation for acquisition 502 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:26,960 of real property and property improvements. 503 00:41:25,119 --> 00:41:30,880 Uh, thank you, Mayor Council. Again, Amelia Lavaro, director of community 504 00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:35,200 development, uh, community economic development. So again, uh at the most 505 00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:39,680 recent regular meeting, we did have a first reading of this item and this is 506 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:45,359 the uh statutoily required second reading uh in order for um these funds 507 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:50,079 to be utilized for this purpose for this recently designated project. Uh but 508 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:56,800 yeah, this you know resolution kind of or just uh generally kind of recognizes 509 00:41:53,200 --> 00:42:00,960 the duly uh followed process and the kind of authorization of the funds for 510 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:07,520 these purposes. I don't know if there's a discrepancy uh but the dollar amount 511 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:13,960 in question u is2,000 294,500 512 00:42:10,160 --> 00:42:13,960 u dollars 513 00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:23,800 happy to answer any questions and this is related to the following item as well 514 00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,800 » reading so we need to make a motion to adopt. 515 00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:36,680 » Yeah. >> The resolution. 516 00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:36,680 » If there are no other questions, 517 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,920 » you're talking about >> Well, there technically there is a 518 00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:49,920 second reading of this. There's a resolution. 519 00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:51,839 » We need to approve the second reading, >> right? 520 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:55,119 » Make a motion we approve the second reading of the resolution authorizing 521 00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:58,000 the real property acquisition product of the Cleveland Economic Development 522 00:42:56,640 --> 00:43:05,440 Corporation. >> Second. Okay, I have a motion and a 523 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:12,160 second. Motion by Mr. Maguat, second by Mr. Buckley. Any other questions? 524 00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:17,200 Okay, all those in favor? Okay, motion carries. 525 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:23,440 Seven to zero. Okay, we're going to move on to item eight, a resolution approving 526 00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:31,359 and authorizing the EDC board president to execute a p purchase and sale 527 00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:39,920 agreement for acquisition of uh 5165 acres of real property legally describe 528 00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:47,920 lots 11 through13 block one in the original town of Cleveland. Block one, 529 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:52,960 Cleveland, Liberty County, Texas. Thank you, Mayor Councel. Again, this is 530 00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:58,720 related to this uh second reading of that that resolution. Uh this this item 531 00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:02,880 is really pertaining to just the actual um execution of that purchase and sell 532 00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:08,400 agreement. So, the last one was kind of the funding. This is more the um actual 533 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:17,200 transaction. So again, this would help us uh secure uh some property uh in 534 00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:23,040 Cleveland to be used for authorized um uh projects as relates to uh parks 535 00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:27,880 projects. So happy to answer any questions if you 536 00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,880 have any. 537 00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:37,520 Make a motion we approve item eight. Resolution approving the author in 538 00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:42,000 authorizing EDC board president to execute a purchase and sale agreement 539 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:46,480 for the acquisition of 5165 acres real property. 540 00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:50,720 » Second. Okay. Have a motion by Mr. Buckley. 541 00:44:48,240 --> 00:44:57,000 Second by Mr. M. Waters. Any other questions? 542 00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:57,000 Okay. All those in favor? 543 00:44:57,119 --> 00:45:09,520 Okay. Six. Okay. Motion carries. 6 to1. Okay. Thank you, Emilio. Okay. Item 544 00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:18,040 nine, approval for staff to move forward with the replacement of uh two mixer at 545 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,040 wastewater treatment plants. 546 00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:28,880 Good evening, mayor and council members. I'm requesting council approval for 547 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:34,400 staff to move forward with the replacement of two mixers for the 548 00:45:31,119 --> 00:45:40,560 wastewater treatment plant. These mixes are critical component for 549 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:45,920 this for the treatment process. So the idea is 550 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:50,319 one was covered under insurance because it has n natural damage happen with the 551 00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:54,720 weather and so forth. So that would be covered under insurance. 552 00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:57,720 The other one we are asking for to purchase 553 00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:06,800 for bid which we we we recommended h equipment for that for that purchase out 554 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:14,480 of the three recommended h equipment to purchase these uh 555 00:46:09,839 --> 00:46:19,920 these mixes for the wastewater plant. >> So the original estimate they didn't 556 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:25,520 have their taxes included on it. Yes, the original is correct. It's just 557 00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:30,160 that the other one, which I should have stated, the other one was covered on the 558 00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:37,520 insurance and it would cover the other one and the the existing one that I'm 559 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:41,040 asking for, we'll pay for that auto prom, this was something that y'all 560 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:44,000 voted on last council. Um I think when he just got up, we kind of misspoke and 561 00:46:42,319 --> 00:46:46,720 said it was just going to be one. It is two, 562 00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:50,079 » but one of those will be fully covered by the insurance proceeds. So we just 563 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:53,599 wanted to bring that back to make sure that 564 00:46:51,680 --> 00:47:00,000 what y'all approved. >> Okay. Not a small question. 565 00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:04,000 » Make a motion to approve for staff to move forward with replacement of two 566 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:08,800 mixers at waste water treatment plants. >> Second. 567 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:14,160 » Okay. And a motion by Mr. Buckley. I think a second by Miss David. Okay. Any 568 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:20,880 other questions? Okay. All those in favor? 569 00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:29,119 Okay. Okay. Motion carries seven to zero. Okay. Item number 10. Uh 570 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:32,640 discussion on proposed fiscal year 2026 2027 571 00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:37,359 budget. Mr. Typton. 572 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:41,560 » Thank you, Mayor Councel. I brought my expert with me today. So, 573 00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:47,240 » she might not be happy with me. 574 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:59,280 » So, we are currently still working on the TNT worksheet. Um 575 00:47:57,119 --> 00:48:02,319 Pam has been on that all day today. There's some numbers we're still going 576 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,720 back and forth with the county on. So, hopefully we'll have something with 577 00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:09,000 y'all for that for y'all shortly on that. Go next. 578 00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:16,400 So, this is just a general snapshot of the two main um 579 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:22,119 revenue streams that we have for the city, which again is your the taxes and 580 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,119 the sales tax. 581 00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:29,680 Again, I think there was probably some misinformation or something maybe online 582 00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:33,839 about this. Again, it was the projection of what the sales tax was going to be 583 00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:39,119 versus what we brought in. So that there's no bearing on the city 584 00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:43,760 whatsoever. We can't control sales tax. We go to the next slide. This is the 585 00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:46,559 total general fund revenues for everything. So you still see property 586 00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:50,720 tax, sales tax at the beginning. All the rest which is your franchise taxes, 587 00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:55,280 pilot, license, and permits. That is the total 588 00:48:52,240 --> 00:49:04,200 revenue stream. So you can see obviously at the bottom it's 301,940 589 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:04,200 which is again over total revenue. 590 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:16,160 Pam and I sat down and we went through every single line item that we had. We 591 00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:19,440 were able to cut a few more areas and locations. 592 00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:25,440 Those would be some other operating supplies as furnitureures and fixtures. 593 00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:28,480 Um, we were able to balance the budget currently. And this right here kind of 594 00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:34,000 just shows you, you know, your far right line item will tell you the parenthesis 595 00:49:31,040 --> 00:49:38,319 is what we had taken away from that like administration. You'll see 55,000 was 596 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:43,440 removed. um some of the larger ones you see, and Pam, you could probably go 597 00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:50,480 further into this, but like we said, the um water and sewer 598 00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:54,240 funding, we removed some employees that were in that percentage- wise and moved 599 00:49:52,720 --> 00:49:58,400 them back into the general fund. So, that's why you see the the cost 600 00:49:56,079 --> 00:50:05,119 difference there. So what he means by that is that we had um uh employees in 601 00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:10,400 the parks department and our garage department that were budgeted out of 602 00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:14,400 water and sewer. Um after speaking with our financial advisor, it was his 603 00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:18,480 recommendation that we justify the transfer from water and sewer. So in 604 00:50:16,720 --> 00:50:23,599 doing that, we wanted to make sure that everything that's allocated to water and 605 00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:28,319 sewer should be there. So part of the increase that you'll see in water and 606 00:50:25,599 --> 00:50:34,599 sewer is because we removed employees that were not water and sewer employees 607 00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:34,599 from the water and sewer budget. 608 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,200 Important. 609 00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:44,960 This again is going to reflect your total revenues versus total 610 00:50:43,119 --> 00:50:49,040 expenditures. So your proposed budget, we're sitting 611 00:50:46,559 --> 00:50:53,400 at zero. Total is 12,000 or 12,430,221. 612 00:50:55,599 --> 00:51:01,440 These are our debt obligations. Our current debt obligations are at the top. 613 00:50:58,720 --> 00:51:06,160 Our next year was going to be reduced for our bonds and reduced for water and 614 00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:10,040 sewer. And again for the total debt for next year is 2,379,329.79. 615 00:51:14,079 --> 00:51:21,359 I wanted to highlight again, you know, the the ability of the staff to reach 616 00:51:18,319 --> 00:51:28,640 out and get a lot of grants for the city and the total amount is 37,75127 617 00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:34,960 worth of grants. City matching to that is 8,720,000. 618 00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:39,359 I think it's a very noble effort to try to save city 619 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:45,880 taxpayer money with that. And that's a lot of money they went in and got with 620 00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:45,880 some very little match money. Again, 621 00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:53,440 this is just kind of a recap from previous medical insurance for a new HMO 622 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:57,119 plan was introduced and it also introduced a fixed employer 623 00:51:54,640 --> 00:52:03,760 contribution. Um, it did save the city money upwards of $165,235. 624 00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:07,040 Those general increases are what we had to do in the budget were for property 625 00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:12,520 insurance, electricity, natural gas, street lights, gas equipment 626 00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,520 maintenance, and vehicle maintenance. 627 00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:17,040 These again were the ones that we proposed that are going to be 628 00:52:15,359 --> 00:52:21,280 reoccurring for the following budget. So these are the ones that will stay 629 00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:24,280 ongoing. These are not the onetime costs. 630 00:52:26,000 --> 00:52:30,240 And then these are your onetime purchases. So these are mainly all of 631 00:52:28,800 --> 00:52:34,079 these are what comes out of your general fund, your fund reserves. I want to make 632 00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:39,119 sure I say that right. Fund reserves. >> That's the uh fund balance. The reserves 633 00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:44,319 is the 25% that's required by law. We keep 25% of operating. So if you have a 634 00:52:42,079 --> 00:52:48,720 $12 million budget, you're required by law to keep 25% of that, which would be 635 00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:56,880 three million that we cannot touch. So that is in the reserves. Um as of last 636 00:52:52,000 --> 00:53:04,800 year, uh 25 audit, we were at 72% which equaled um 8.9 million um 72% of our 637 00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:08,720 reserves, which that 72% means that we're 72% of what it takes for us to 638 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:13,920 operate. So it takes us 12 million to operate. 72% was that of that is 8.9 639 00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:21,680 million. With the projections for this year, we're trending to hit 2 to utilize 640 00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:26,960 $275,000 out of reserves for this year, which will leave the fund balance at 8.7 641 00:53:24,240 --> 00:53:32,480 million. And then we have allocated in the budget for next year 697 million. I 642 00:53:30,319 --> 00:53:36,720 mean, sorry, 697,000. >> Oh, okay. 643 00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:41,839 » Call things. Okay. 697,000 out of the reserves of that the $500,000 644 00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:46,960 firet truck that was approved during this year will not be received before 645 00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:51,839 9:30. It won't be completed. So we carried that over to the budget for 27. 646 00:53:49,520 --> 00:53:58,720 So we're actually whereas last year we utilized 300 647 00:53:54,160 --> 00:54:04,240 300 something,000 last year three sorry about 648 00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:08,880 it was about 300,000 373. Yes. We utilize 373. 649 00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:14,720 We're only utilizing in in addition to the 500,000 for the firetruck 197. So we 650 00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:19,599 have decreased the amount that we're pulling out of reserves, but the fire 651 00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:24,800 truck is included in that 697. So once we subtract the 697 from the 8.7, that 652 00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:30,160 will leave us with a little over 8 million, which is 65% of reserves. And 653 00:54:27,440 --> 00:54:34,319 the law only requires that we keep 25%. I don't want it to get down to 25%. So 654 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:38,880 I'm not just spending money to >> we at 65%. 655 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:43,920 » That's an estimate. >> And the law requires us to be 656 00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:48,000 » at 25%. That that's what the charter says and the uh state law and our 657 00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:53,119 charter is in line with the state law. So we're required to keep 3.1 million 658 00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:58,559 and we're estimating best guess of current if anything happens this number 659 00:54:55,280 --> 00:55:03,680 can change is 8 million21 at the end of fiscal year 27. that but that depends on 660 00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:10,319 the property tax revenues that depends on the sales tax revenues that depends 661 00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:14,079 on the de um uh economic development uh development services the permitting 662 00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:17,520 those are the big three biggest um revenue streams that the city has and 663 00:55:16,079 --> 00:55:22,559 those are things that we really can't control as far as property tax we have 664 00:55:20,319 --> 00:55:27,520 the packet that y'all have it was built off of what we had at the time I will 665 00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:32,960 tell you now I have been here since six o'clock this morning working on this TNT 666 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:39,200 And that is going to change. We um the TNT worksheet that I received on the 667 00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:43,040 28th of August um said that the no new I mean the voter approval rate which is 668 00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:50,880 the highest rate that the city can adopt without going to the voters was 79%. We 669 00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:58,720 did uh 79% 79 cent. Sorry I'm exhausted. 79 cent we did a not to exceed rate of 670 00:55:54,640 --> 00:56:05,280 75 cent. If we're wanting to adopt 79, we're going to have to start the process 671 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:10,319 over with the publications and the um record vote where you guys vote on it 672 00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:16,079 and everything. The issue with that is the values decreased. The property tax 673 00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:24,240 uh the certified appraised values have gone down. I'm working on this today. 674 00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:28,400 Last year's values were 829 million and this year's taxable value is 719 675 00:56:26,720 --> 00:56:32,160 million. The only way you make up for that difference is by increasing the 676 00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:36,559 rate keep increasing the tax rate which I did not want to do. Last year when we 677 00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:39,839 corrected the rate for the debt service, we had an excess collections of 678 00:56:38,240 --> 00:56:43,839 $800,000. Spoke with the tax assessor collector. 679 00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:48,000 He was worried that that rate wouldn't work. And I reassured him we collected 680 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:51,280 everything we needed and more. So, it's not 800,000. It's better than what it 681 00:56:50,079 --> 00:56:54,000 was, but you're never going to hit the nail on the head with that because you 682 00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:57,440 don't know how many residents are going to pay their taxes. You don't know 683 00:56:55,839 --> 00:57:00,720 exactly what the appraised values are going to be after they go to the 684 00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:05,359 appraisal review board. So, there was a decrease in revenue. One of the main 685 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:10,640 things was, I believe it was House Bill Nine, House Bill Nine, um that increased 686 00:57:08,720 --> 00:57:17,280 the personal property exemption from 2500 to 125,000. There are 425 687 00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:23,040 properties that are in one of those codes. There's four of them, but 425 688 00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:27,680 properties that have an exemption of 23 million that they did not have last 689 00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:32,559 year. And then there's um three more that total up to a total of about 30 690 00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:36,880 million that we are now exempt. They're exempt from paying the property taxes. 691 00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:42,400 So the personal property basically that is a business that has um contents that 692 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:48,000 they use to for profit that they're going to utilize to um operate the 693 00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:52,960 business resell or whatever it may be. So the for an example you can use 694 00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:58,480 Walmart 125,000 is nothing inside Walmart but that's an exemption that 695 00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:04,079 used to be at 2500 that is now 125,000. These are numbers we can't control. I 696 00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:08,240 have worked um tirelessly with the Liberty CAD and the tax assessor to 697 00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:13,200 ensure that the information that they're giving us is uh correct. We are limited 698 00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:17,119 as a city as what we can request for the CAD because requesting them to change 699 00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:21,920 the appraised values is illegal because that benefits us. I just want accuracy. 700 00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:26,400 Is this correct? So I I reached out to some colleagues uh outside the city. 701 00:58:24,559 --> 00:58:29,359 They told me what information I should request and I have requested that 702 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:33,119 information. um 703 00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:36,480 based off of what it is that you guys want to do. If we're going to stay with 704 00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:41,119 the 75, which will create a budget shortfall, we balanced it um with this 705 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:46,640 one. We worked on that, stayed late, got it in balance, got these numbers on the 706 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:52,240 28th, which was after the budget had to be um provided to you guys. And um based 707 00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:56,559 off of that, we have another shortfall of about 300,000 because of property 708 00:58:54,640 --> 00:59:01,040 tax. It has nothing to do with sales tax. Well, yes and no. Sales tax also 709 00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:07,200 affects property tax. I want y'all to understand that because sales tax um a 710 00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:11,359 portion of the city sales tax one6 25% out of a$150. So if you look at the $150 711 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:17,680 as quarters, it takes six quarters to make a $150 take one quarter which is 712 00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:23,119 one6th of it goes to uh portion goes to EDC, a portion goes to property tax 713 00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:27,520 relief. So once we when the um the more we collect in sales tax, it lowers the 714 00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:31,920 property tax rate because it relieves the citizens of having to pay property 715 00:59:30,000 --> 00:59:36,960 tax based on the more sales tax we generate. When the sales tax decreases, 716 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:41,200 that property tax rate now goes up because the sales tax relief is now 717 00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:45,359 lower. So it's an inverse relationship. So that's another thing that's affecting 718 00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:49,599 this rate because pro uh sales tax is has uh gone down in the last year. So 719 00:59:48,160 --> 00:59:53,680 that's something that we're looking at. Um, 720 00:59:51,440 --> 01:00:00,000 I I need direction. Uh, we can start the public uh publications over. Um, if 721 00:59:57,359 --> 01:00:04,319 y'all are interested in going to the 79, um, I was not expecting the taxable 722 01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:10,160 value to decrease in the way that it was, that's not something I can control. 723 01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:14,240 But the 800,000 when we had that excess collections last year, I worked on the 724 01:00:12,720 --> 01:00:18,799 spreadsheet and I said, what does it look like if we if all things stay 725 01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:22,640 consistent and we remove the 800,000? was maybe two cent increase that we 726 01:00:20,720 --> 01:00:28,640 thought we would go back up to have to make up for debt service payments. But 727 01:00:25,359 --> 01:00:33,920 with the decrease of the 800,000 plus the decrease in the taxable value, we're 728 01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:40,319 having to do uh a higher rate than 75 cent if we want to be able to collect 729 01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:42,720 enough to not have a deficit. So 730 01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:47,359 » So just to be clear, just just to be clear, staying patents 731 01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:49,280 creates about a 300k shortfall. >> Yes. to the bank. 732 01:00:48,799 --> 01:00:55,359 » Yeah. >> Yes, I do have that. Um, a part of that 733 01:00:51,920 --> 01:01:00,079 is I have it here. Give me one second. A portion of that is uh attributed to the 734 01:00:57,839 --> 01:01:08,319 sales tax. We originally the package you have has a revenue of 3.7 million. That 735 01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:14,240 3.7 million was calculated based on um the three and a half%. Okay. So the law 736 01:01:11,359 --> 01:01:20,400 allows for us to increase revenue for sales of property tax by 3 and a half% 737 01:01:17,599 --> 01:01:25,920 each year. So our projected revenue is 3.4 million. If you add three and a 738 01:01:23,200 --> 01:01:30,319 half% to that, that gives you a number and then the new property is not part of 739 01:01:28,240 --> 01:01:34,319 that calculation. New property is not subject to the cap. So what I did was I 740 01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:38,799 took that number, added three and a half to increase it. Then I took the new 741 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:43,599 property value and multiplied it by the um estimated tax rate and that's where 742 01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:48,880 we came up with the 3.7 ran it by Lee. We it made sense. That's what we move 743 01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:54,799 forward with. Well, because the tax rate has to be higher to generate that uh the 744 01:01:51,680 --> 01:01:59,200 three and a half% it also increases the amount that goes to the TUR. If we tax 745 01:01:56,799 --> 01:02:06,880 on 63 cent, the TUR gets what's in the slideshow about 275 and 215,000. 746 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:13,920 If we go up to 70 uh 75% 75 75 cent the TUR is now getting 747 01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:19,760 308,241. So it's like even though we increase the 748 01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:24,960 rate the TUR is still going to their um allocation is going to increase as well. 749 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:30,240 So with all of those things in play, the deficit is now the 320. But it's not 750 01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:34,880 just the property tax. It's the property tax minus the tourist that increases as 751 01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:40,000 well. >> I'm going to piggy back off of uh Mr. 752 01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:44,559 McWater's question there. Um staying at the 75 cents that we discussed in the 753 01:02:42,319 --> 01:02:49,680 last meeting with about the 300,000 budget shortfall. Is there a plan to 754 01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:52,799 balance that? >> We are required to balance it. That's 755 01:02:51,520 --> 01:02:57,040 the direction that I'm needing because we you we can't adopt a you can adopt a 756 01:02:55,680 --> 01:03:00,000 budget that's not balanced but that would require us to go into fund balance 757 01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:04,960 which you don't want to do for reoccurring costs. So we can either go 758 01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:11,200 back out to for the restart the publication requirements and uh vote on 759 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:14,960 a higher rate or we can try to make some more cuts. And that's the next part or 760 01:03:13,200 --> 01:03:21,359 part B of the question because then my next question was uh would cuts be made 761 01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:26,319 first um in the process and would that be off of we had some supplementals that 762 01:03:23,920 --> 01:03:30,880 were requested and so I'm just curious if we are looking at cuts first and if 763 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:37,680 supplementals would be cut first to continue operations of what had been 764 01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:45,359 already um budgeted or like what is that potential plan if it stays at the 75 765 01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:48,720 Courtney, can you go back one slide? >> So, essentially, aside from those that, 766 01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:53,520 you know, I say non-discretionary like electricity and property insurance, 767 01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:57,119 these are your supplementals. That that's that's the only thing we've 768 01:03:55,119 --> 01:04:01,359 added to the budget. That's it. >> We didn't add any positions. 769 01:03:59,599 --> 01:04:03,440 » Well, one's in water, sewer. >> That's the 770 01:04:02,160 --> 01:04:07,440 » That's the transfer over. >> No, the the water and sewer position 771 01:04:05,520 --> 01:04:12,400 that's added is being funded out of water and sewer. Water and sewer is 772 01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:17,440 their own fund. When you look at your uh packets, the budgets, it says general 773 01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:22,319 fund 100. That's I call when I talk to my team, I tell them that's our bucket. 774 01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:26,319 That's one bucket of money. Fund 300 is another one. Fund 300 is funded by 775 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:30,799 everything that uh is generated out of the water office. It's like a um 776 01:04:28,559 --> 01:04:36,480 enterprise fund. It's a for profit. So, it's the water bills, the tap fees, the 777 01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:41,280 late fees, everything water and sewer. So the position for water and sewer is 778 01:04:39,280 --> 01:04:44,799 100% covered out of water and sewer revenue. It does not it's not property 779 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:52,079 tax or sales tax related. >> Okay. Um and just to summarize this last 780 01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:54,799 year were we at 62 or 63 cents. >> 63. 781 01:04:52,960 --> 01:05:00,400 » We're at 63. So, we're looking at either moving from 63 to 75, which would 782 01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:04,079 include a shortfall, and there would have to be additional cuts, or we're 783 01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:09,039 looking at direction of potentially going up to 79 cents, because we can go 784 01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,880 all the way up to 79 without voter approval. 785 01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:14,480 » Yes. >> Okay. And I got one other question, not 786 01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:17,440 related to the rate. It's what you said about the fund balance, having a healthy 787 01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:21,760 fund balance that we're only required 25%. Um, I believe y'all posted 788 01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:26,319 something on your social media not long ago. Didn't y'all get accolades for like 789 01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:30,240 a double A or AAA bond rating? >> Bond rating increase. 790 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:34,160 » Okay. Um, does going down to 65% though that's still above our minimum and it's 791 01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:37,680 great. Does that affect that rating at all if you dip to 65% from wherever you 792 01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:42,720 were at? >> I cannot answer that with decisive like 793 01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:46,319 definity, but I do know that the rating is not often. So things could change 794 01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:50,319 between now and the next rating. It's not rated annually. I believe the 795 01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:54,640 paperwork that I saw said the last rating was maybe 2017. Don't quote me on 796 01:05:52,640 --> 01:05:58,160 that, but I went back through my files, the uh electronic files that we have to 797 01:05:56,640 --> 01:06:01,599 see when the last information was submitted for that rating and it was 798 01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:04,160 maybe five years ago. >> Okay. And that's the only reason I asked 799 01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:08,160 about that because I knew y'all had worked hard for that rating and it was 800 01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:11,920 going to contribute to the financial health and I just didn't want to make 801 01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:14,880 sure that something would make us go backwards in that. 802 01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:18,799 » No, but they won't come back and rerate us based on that. But it is something 803 01:06:16,720 --> 01:06:22,240 that you don't want it to be a trend, right? Because we if you look at the 804 01:06:20,319 --> 01:06:27,200 last five years, it did kind of trickle down and then it came back up. So, 805 01:06:24,400 --> 01:06:31,200 » okay. Thank you. >> Oh, and I will say also when it comes to 806 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:36,000 cuts that we did have public works who agreed to freeze two positions for six 807 01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:40,799 months to help with the deficit. So, we are doing everything we can to ensure 808 01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:44,640 that we're being as uh fiscally responsible as we can. I don't know 809 01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:48,880 » where else we can shave off. Just to give it a history, I believe it was 77 810 01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:52,079 before it went to 63. Correct. >> Yes. Yes. 811 01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:55,920 » And the reason why it went down to 63 was because of the excess we've had in 812 01:06:53,839 --> 01:06:58,640 our interest in sinking. And so we understood that it was going to 813 01:06:56,960 --> 01:07:01,280 eventually go back up after that once we align that because 814 01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,599 » you're not supposed to keep that much money in your 815 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:06,960 » tinus. >> So we knew it was going to go up, but I 816 01:07:05,440 --> 01:07:10,960 think, you know, this year, you know, I kind of 817 01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:16,480 told Pam earlier, I think it was kind of the double whammy. You got the the bill 818 01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:22,480 that hit us from 2500 to 125,000 and then of course sales tax and 819 01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:26,079 » they both kind of played on our current situation 820 01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:33,200 » and and that sales tax situation is just not here in Cleveland. I mean it's it's 821 01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:40,559 everywhere with the prices, you know, on the on the gas, the groceries, I mean 822 01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:44,799 you name it. So, uh, hopefully we can have a better year, uh, next year on the 823 01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:50,079 sales tax. >> And, and just to be transparent on the 824 01:07:46,640 --> 01:07:55,039 sales tax, we do, um, contract with HDL. They do sales tax audits for different, 825 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:59,119 uh, entities. And I reached out to them to get a better explanation of the 826 01:07:57,119 --> 01:08:05,359 shortfall because for the last two years, prior to this year, for fiscal 827 01:08:01,599 --> 01:08:11,119 year 25 and 24, we collected $800,000 more than what we budgeted. So we 828 01:08:08,400 --> 01:08:15,599 assumed that trend would uh continue because we have the growth in the two 829 01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:20,880 tures. We have the growth south of us to where a lot of those people shop here 830 01:08:17,759 --> 01:08:26,159 and um we assume that that would be the trend. Well for whatever reason um it is 831 01:08:23,679 --> 01:08:29,920 not. We had some development that slowed a lot of times. Uh what people don't 832 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:34,799 understand about sales tax, it is paid to the destination point. So if somebody 833 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:38,080 in New York orders something and ships it to you, we get the sales tax for 834 01:08:36,400 --> 01:08:41,920 that. That's why the sales tax when you're placing an online order is not 835 01:08:39,839 --> 01:08:45,199 calculated until you get ready until after the address is put in. So we 836 01:08:44,000 --> 01:08:50,159 collect that. We did have some collections that were due to audits. So 837 01:08:47,679 --> 01:08:55,520 those were one-time payouts that were thought to be just a an upward trend an 838 01:08:53,199 --> 01:09:00,960 upward trend because we did have like I said in excess $800,000 for two budget 839 01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:06,319 years. So it it was different factors that played a role in it. It's not just 840 01:09:02,799 --> 01:09:09,799 a decrease in sales locally. That makes sense. 841 01:09:14,960 --> 01:09:22,560 What is council's um appetite on changing the rate? Are we moving f 842 01:09:20,319 --> 01:09:25,719 forward with the 75 because we have to come back. 843 01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:33,520 Are we individually giving our opinion or collectively? 844 01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:37,839 » This is not an official vote. If we are starting over, we have to do a um the 845 01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:40,480 record vote would have to be I'd have to start over and do the official 846 01:09:38,960 --> 01:09:43,679 documentation and everything. >> We have to essentially come back and do 847 01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:48,000 another special council meeting to do to suspend the 75 and introduce the 79 848 01:09:46,719 --> 01:09:51,759 cents. >> But there wouldn't be any additional 849 01:09:49,839 --> 01:09:56,239 extra action so to speak if we stayed 75. Oh, just just the adoption on the 850 01:09:55,199 --> 01:10:01,360 15th. >> And this is what we have today. Um the 851 01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:05,440 tax assessor is out of the office. I've been talking to him on the cell phone 852 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:11,600 today. He'll be back on Friday and I'm going to go line by line with him to 853 01:10:07,679 --> 01:10:16,960 ensure that what we have is accurate. >> But if we stay at the 75 that increases 854 01:10:14,480 --> 01:10:20,719 we end up with a new deficit. >> Yes, it's the 320. We'd have to cover 855 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:23,679 » do additional cuts. But you have a plan for that deficit like freezing the 856 01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:29,360 positions that you mentioned. >> The the freeze is in what resolved the 857 01:10:26,480 --> 01:10:35,199 previous deficit that was presented at and I think I think that's really 858 01:10:30,719 --> 01:10:38,880 important uh to note Pam. um they did a lot of work because the original 859 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:43,360 shortfall in the sales tax as you remember from last meeting was 600,000 860 01:10:41,360 --> 01:10:47,520 » and they went through line by line and and did some pretty pretty significant 861 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:52,640 cuts to balance that >> without having to do the dip in that 862 01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:55,600 they were. So they're I mean they they definitely, you know, applaud y'all. 863 01:10:54,000 --> 01:11:00,159 Y'all did a lot of work to eliminate that. And I know this was a definitely 864 01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:04,480 news that no one no one wants to hear, but uh but yeah, that's that's where 865 01:11:02,719 --> 01:11:10,000 we're at. We last month when we were here, we had a or few weeks ago, we were 866 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:14,000 at a 600 shortfall and now we're at 320 is basically where it's at. But y'all 867 01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:18,320 went through a tremendous amount of cuts already. Essentially, what was presented 868 01:11:16,560 --> 01:11:24,560 when we say balanced budget, that was at the 70 uh 75 because that's what we had 869 01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:29,760 TNT wise. getting that new information and now at 79. That's where it comes in 870 01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:35,920 now to where if we don't go to 79, we're at an additional 300 shortfall that we 871 01:11:31,840 --> 01:11:39,120 would now have to go back and fix that. >> Well, I don't know if we're individually 872 01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:42,400 providing our opinions. I know this is just direction, but I'm going to go 873 01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:46,880 ahead and just say my opinion is to stick with the 75 before trying to 874 01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:50,880 increase the 79 for our residents. So, my vote would be in favor of maintaining 875 01:11:48,560 --> 01:11:54,520 the 75 and looking back at where we might have to cut additionally. 876 01:11:57,199 --> 01:12:04,080 Yeah, mine's a 75 also. >> Yeah, 877 01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:12,040 » I say 75. But I think you know in a it's it's not 878 01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:12,040 good but then again u 879 01:12:12,159 --> 01:12:20,239 you know this council you know uh we inherited you know our 880 01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:25,199 predecessors you know uh they've always been very 881 01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:30,640 conservative you know with our with our money. So, 882 01:12:28,159 --> 01:12:35,920 uh, we can we can withstand some of that because see, back in the day, we didn't 883 01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:40,320 have any cushion. I mean, some of the I think Chief Brousard and Anderson and 884 01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:46,719 Miss Conn could probably remember some of those days where we didn't have any 885 01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:52,960 any leeway at all. But uh you know we we can uh I just rather stay with that 75 886 01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:58,560 and uh we can you know cut back whatever we can cut back. But uh and look forward 887 01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:03,120 to next year you know with this uh whatever they call the affordability 888 01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:08,960 thing you know with the gas and and the and the groceries and and uh pretty much 889 01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:13,199 everything you know prices are high on everything. So, 890 01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:18,800 » and and just as a reminder, um, and I think this is worthwhile for everybody, 891 01:13:15,280 --> 01:13:23,440 our our all the public to understand, >> going down to 63, we all knew was a 892 01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:25,120 one-time thing because of the overage. >> We didn't know what it was going to look 893 01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:28,800 like. >> We didn't know exactly what it was going 894 01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:34,080 to look like, but that that we knew that was going to be a one-year relief. Uh, 895 01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:39,199 and prior to the 63, we were at >> 77 years and then 78 for one. 896 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:45,679 » So, so just to just to kind of put that into perspective, we're still coming in 897 01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:48,960 at 75 better than than what we were the previous two years before we had to go 898 01:13:47,760 --> 01:13:50,159 down last year. >> Mayor, 899 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:53,920 » yes. >> I just want to add because I want to 900 01:13:51,679 --> 01:13:57,360 make sure that and and Brett, I'm so grateful that you lifted that point 901 01:13:55,679 --> 01:14:01,199 because that was a point that I was toying within my mind. I want to make 902 01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:05,280 the connection to the information that was shared because I want to ensure that 903 01:14:02,719 --> 01:14:09,280 we don't get misinformation. So when you talk about the fact that we had that 904 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:12,960 one-time purchase, I want to connect that to the statement about our 905 01:14:10,640 --> 01:14:17,280 financial readiness. And so when and I know you were very conservative in your 906 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:21,360 response, but I want to say out loud that when those agencies look at our 907 01:14:19,600 --> 01:14:25,520 financial readiness, they actually applaud you for what you did because you 908 01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:29,600 recognize that there was a one-time expense of the fire truck, the police 909 01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:35,199 car, whatever it was that we had to make a conscious decision to make. We made 910 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:40,400 that and now we have the opportunity to increase that back. So the rating is not 911 01:14:38,080 --> 01:14:43,280 going to penalize us for making a one-time decision. Now, if you were 912 01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:49,920 doing that because we had to consistently cover bills that we did not 913 01:14:46,400 --> 01:14:53,199 anticipate and we did not forecast, then they would hold that against us because 914 01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:56,719 then you're not being good financial stewards of the money. Correct? 915 01:14:54,960 --> 01:15:02,000 » But I want to make sure that we're clear that there's no misinformation. Our 916 01:14:59,360 --> 01:15:06,640 financial rating is not at risk because of this one-time purchase that took us 917 01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:10,800 from a 77 to a 62. >> That's actually that's two different 918 01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:17,600 things. The 77 to the 62 is the property tax rate. Okay. The 600,000 is a onetime 919 01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:23,760 » 694. Yes. That that is not that does not affect us negatively because the you can 920 01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:26,239 allocate one time cost fund balance because fund balance has to be used for 921 01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:29,120 something >> for something because you can't just 922 01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:33,360 continue to. >> Yeah. No, it would that it's uh the best 923 01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:38,719 option, the best practice is to use it for one-time expenditures because when 924 01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:40,960 ongoing costs are allocated to the fund balance, you're going to deplete your 925 01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:44,480 fund balance. >> Exactly. So, I just wanted to make sure 926 01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:48,239 that we didn't get a misunderstanding about our financial rating because that 927 01:15:46,480 --> 01:15:52,080 wasn't really connected in the moment, but I understand why the point was made 928 01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:56,480 because we were celebrating that we did have a good financial rating, but yet 929 01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:59,120 one is not going to negatively impact the other, 930 01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:04,320 » right? And the tax rate the the what happened with the tax rate is that there 931 01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:10,640 were some um errors with the tax calculation like know how else to say 932 01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:16,640 that but um there was excess revenue collected in the INS INS was restricted 933 01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:21,360 to bond payments debt payments that's it so over the course of May since the TUR 934 01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:27,679 since the TUR went into place we started collecting excess revenue in the um debt 935 01:16:24,159 --> 01:16:32,239 service the INS fund and last year, you cannot go back and um you have to 936 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:37,120 certify the excess amount in the TNT worksheet. You can only do that for the 937 01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:42,960 prior year. So, when I came on board and I noticed it, it was left alone. And 938 01:16:40,000 --> 01:16:47,520 then, uh last year, I just kind of fought it until we figured it out what 939 01:16:44,719 --> 01:16:52,080 was going on. And so it was like 800,000 at that time even though the prior year 940 01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:58,239 before that was in excess of 200,000 that we could only um no uh utilize the 941 01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:04,080 800,000 for the prior year. You can't go several years back to use this excess 942 01:17:00,719 --> 01:17:09,040 collection. So the $800,000 was put into the TNT worksheet which significantly 943 01:17:06,719 --> 01:17:13,040 dropped that uh tax rate. >> Yeah. Just for Yeah, just for clarity. I 944 01:17:10,880 --> 01:17:18,960 was just speaking of the tax rate because it seems like it's a lot. Oh my 945 01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:23,760 goodness, we went from 63 cents per 100 to 75. But I just think it's very good 946 01:17:21,520 --> 01:17:28,960 for everybody to understand the context of that. We we knew it was going to go 947 01:17:25,520 --> 01:17:35,120 up because we were running at 77 and 78 in years prior to this this year. 948 01:17:31,920 --> 01:17:38,400 » And so rebounding from the 63 to a 75 doesn't even get us up to where we were 949 01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:44,080 in 24 and 25. >> Yeah. And I think that 75 wasn't that 950 01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:49,520 around 2018 we were at 75. 951 01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:55,199 » So we still you know ahead of the curve you know from where we were. So, uh, 952 01:17:53,199 --> 01:18:01,679 but, uh, you know, going forward, we just got to, uh, 953 01:17:59,040 --> 01:18:07,280 you know, look at that sales tax and, you know, bring in some new businesses 954 01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:12,880 here. And, um, but it's going to get better. And, and at the end of the day 955 01:18:09,440 --> 01:18:18,560 though, we are okay. I mean, we're not in dire straits. We're okay. 956 01:18:15,920 --> 01:18:24,159 Could be better, but we're okay. And it's been a lot worse in in previous 957 01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:30,239 years, but the city of Cleveland is in good standing, good credit rating. Uh, 958 01:18:27,440 --> 01:18:35,040 you know, we had that $37 million and and bond money that we're starting to 959 01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:40,800 distribute that you can see with the lift stations and the work that we're 960 01:18:37,280 --> 01:18:46,000 doing uh in our public works. So, you know, we we have a lot to, you know, uh, 961 01:18:43,040 --> 01:18:49,840 hold our heads up about, you know, and and with that grant money, that was that 962 01:18:48,239 --> 01:18:55,040 was something that that's never been done in Cleveland. And, uh, I think that 963 01:18:52,719 --> 01:19:00,560 the taxpayers will here within the next year will really get to see a 964 01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:06,640 difference, you know, as we start to, uh, spend that money, you know, and and 965 01:19:03,199 --> 01:19:13,280 apply that to to uh improvements, you know, in our infrastructure. So, we're 966 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:19,000 okay though. >> Anything else? 967 01:19:15,760 --> 01:19:19,000 Thank you. 968 01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:26,960 » Okay. We don't have to take a vote tonight, do we? Okay. 969 01:19:25,199 --> 01:19:30,719 That's any other discussion? 970 01:19:29,199 --> 01:19:35,679 » Make a motion we adjourn. >> Okay. I have a motion to adjurnn. 971 01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:38,920 » That's all adjourned. Go on.