[0:00] Okay. So, we
yeah, we don't have this live streaming
[0:04] on YouTube because there was some
technical issue there, but we don't
[0:07] think that affects our ability to have
the meeting. So, we're going to go
[0:10] ahead. Um,
okay. So, welcome everyone. I um we just
[0:16] heard from Britney this morning that
she's out of town. I don't really have
[0:19] any more information than that, but
she's so I'm going to just go ahead and
[0:23] we have a pretty I so that also means
that I was not involved in the creation
[0:28] of the agenda. So, I'm just going to do
my best here. Um, but I think it's a
[0:32] fairly light agenda as published so far.
Um,
[0:38] let's go around and do introductions.
Chris Wilson, member of the board.
[0:44] » Melody McCandless, Grand County
Commission.
[0:46] » Ashley Corbl, member of the board.
>> Melissa Jeffers, Grand County staff
[0:51] member, member.
>> And then Pamela.
[0:54] » Pamela Gibson, board member. Thank you,
Amanda.
[1:00] » Amanda, board member.
>> Thanks. And Deborah,
[1:04] » Deborah McKe with the Governor's Office
of Economic Development.
[1:08] » Thanks for joining us. Um, all right.
So, we have minutes from 6:24.
[1:17] Um,
[1:20] have folks had a chance to review those?
Does anyone want to make a motion to
[1:24] adopt?
[1:27] Where are they? Just online.
>> Just online. Um,
[1:32] » link to the agenda.
>> On the agenda.
[1:35] » Do you want me to pull it out?
>> Yeah. Or why don't we just come back to
[1:39] that? People want to just take a little
look while we go through presentations.
[1:44] Um, and then we can go back and do uh
get those
[1:48] formally approved. Does that sound
right?
[1:52] All right. So then in that case
next up um oh are there any conflicts of
[2:01] interest disclosures expartate
communication anyone needs to disclose
[2:06] hearing none
uh any citizens to be heard don't think
[2:11] I see any
presentations um yeah first up on the
[2:18] agenda if you'd like to offer anything
anything is okay Yeah, we have lots of
[2:24] amazing things going on at the county
right now. Um, so on August 18th is a uh
[2:30] going to be a workshop with the
commission and our Babcock design as
[2:35] well as Marcus Keller with for the
county complex. So that's a public
[2:40] safety tax. So that'll be the public
safety tax conversation, not a vote. Um,
[2:45] some other ways of funding uh this
[3:00] You're froze.
You're froze.
[3:03] » You lost everybody.
[3:19] Clean it all.
[4:28] Sorry,
we have bad internet today. I don't know
[4:31] exactly what it is, but we're back.
>> Spotty internet
[4:35] » warning.
>> All right.
[4:37] » Yeah. So, so I'll keep talking. Mis will
pull up the draft plans. Um, and this is
[4:42] just a draft. We have sent them back to
Babcock to come back with and he'll have
[4:46] a better um thing that will be going on
but it's you know it's got retail space
[4:51] that so it can be a public private
partnership. So there'll be retail space
[4:55] probably along you know the road that
faces main street. It'll have a parking
[4:59] complex and then it will have the public
safety building with all of the things
[5:03] that that with the courts hopefully in
intact with that and that will leave
[5:06] this building so that we can expand over
into the courthouse area for more office
[5:11] space because we need that and
especially as we move um everybody
[5:15] around because we'll have to get rid of
people off out of the mob office of
[5:18] tourism our um uh maintenance chat you
know and then also trails and stuff. So
[5:25] they'll they'll have to move eventually
into this building and and we'll move
[5:29] them somewhere else during the during
the model if if it's approved by the
[5:33] commission. But it's going to be
>> just stopped again.
[5:37] » Again
[5:41] there
>> Oh, there we go.
[5:45] » I cannot find the word minutes.
[5:50] portal.
>> I'm at the I'm on the
[5:55] um I went to the agenda center.
>> Oh, agenda center is the old one. Just
[5:58] have to It's the other link. It's
agenda center's like 2022.
[6:05] » You just if you just search for Grant
County agendas.
[6:08] » That's what
[6:11] » Are you guys able to see my screen?
>> Yes. Online. Okay, perfect.
[6:20] retail space. That's cool.
>> Yeah, it's got a lot of cool. So, it
[6:23] won't be all funded. It would cannot be
all funded by that public safety tax. So
[6:27] that public safety tax will only be able
to fund at the public safety building in
[6:31] the courts, but there can be other other
pieces of it that we can use to fund um
[6:38] » fund the retail space and which is also
was going to benefit you know retail
[6:43] space in Moab's hard to find especially
downtown and more parking
[6:46] » and it's it's going to be really cool
idea. So, I was just going to give you
[6:49] guys a sneak peek of it for for this
because we could use I mean we talk
[6:53] about county projects
>> and you know what do we do with RCOG
[6:57] money? Well, we can use this for like
infrastructure as that particular piece
[7:03] because we won't be able to use the tax
for that. So, anyway, so she's got it
[7:07] pulled up. So, I don't know if we can
make it bigger.
[7:10] » So, I thought I might have made this up.
It might be from some other county that
[7:14] are looking. Um,
>> is there a fund somewhere for a new
[7:18] courthouse, county chambers kind of
thing? Like new room?
[7:23] » No, there's nothing.
[7:30] » What was that, Pamela?
>> Sorry about that. My husband cut his
[7:35] hand and I'm
>> Oh, no. Oh.
[7:40] Um, Chris,
[7:44] » so at one point in time our county did
talk about building a new like office
[7:48] structure over here, I think when Chris
B was here, but I that's not I don't
[7:52] think that's the intent of our
commission at this moment in time is to
[7:54] build a new office space for us. I mean,
this office space here, yeah, would have
[7:58] been great, but isn't really needed and
should be paid for by taxpayer. But the
[8:03] jail is has a lot of of needs. you know,
we don't have medical, we don't have um
[8:08] we have a lot of blind corners. Dispatch
is inside of the jail, which dispatch
[8:13] has to um
run the jail and dispatch at the time
[8:18] same time, which isn't really safe for
our for our officers and inmates. And
[8:22] then we also have like issues with the
doors. Um we have a lot of issues with
[8:28] our
evidence where evidence is located at.
[8:33] So all of those things needed need to be
highly addressed, but this is kind of an
[8:37] idea. Um
>> I also have Mil Creek pulled up like if
[8:42] you wanted to show
kind of what it is modeled after or like
[8:50] have you guys are you guys familiar with
the Mil Creek City?
[8:53] » I was just there last week.
>> Complex.
[8:55] » The splash.
>> Okay. Yes. All right. Well, then you'll
[8:58] know exactly. So the whole idea is we
met with Mike Wender, the Mil Creek city
[9:03] mayor, and he was able to share
performance of all the different phases
[9:06] of the project and share the capital
stack and how it came together. But
[9:10] essentially the way that it works is
that all of the city offices, all of
[9:15] their needs are on the top floors with a
climbing wall, an ice skating rink, a
[9:20] roller skating rink, lots of activation
space, lots of retail and ground level
[9:24] commercial and a parking complex. and
the revenues from those activities are
[9:30] what pay for all of the municipal
offices and all their uses up top.
[9:37] So, it's the whole idea of Grand County
is really short on retail space and
[9:41] we're really short on leasable
commercial space and we're also really
[9:45] short on parking. So if we were able to
combine and say we can put together a
[9:51] capital staff around providing 365
parking stalls and then have ground
[9:56] level retail commercial activation space
around the outside of that area
[10:04] then how does that work with the
proformata for long-term investment?
[10:10] » Cool.
>> Yeah. So um I'd invite you to join us on
[10:13] August 18th.
>> Yeah. When is it? It's August 18th. And
[10:16] I don't know if it'll be ear. I don't
know what that agenda will look like if
[10:18] it will be before like at 3:00 or if it
will just be at 4:00. It kind of
[10:22] depends. But I don't know if that those
time frames in your schedule. And then,
[10:27] you know, and then the other thing that
I've been working on diligently is our
[10:31] Kenya's Healthcare Special Service
District is expanding the care center.
[10:35] And that looks like we're at like a
two-year time frame to start possibly
[10:40] start construction on that. And then we
had nine proposals for the master plan
[10:45] for the maps campus. It's the eight
acres and we did um have interviews with
[10:49] two of those Monday. We'll have two more
next Monday and we'll have decided who's
[10:53] going to be starting that master plan.
So there'll be so with both of these
[10:57] projects I mean I with the both of these
projects for sure the maps master plan
[11:02] is going to have a lot of public
engagement and then obviously um the
[11:06] county complex I don't know so much that
it will have public engagement because
[11:09] it's just a county project but I think
that having you know you guys educated
[11:13] on that would be great and I mean in
long term the maps plan or the care
[11:17] center could also be RCOG funds could
help with those too. I mean, those are
[11:20] just future future looking ad projects
that if that was something that the
[11:23] board wanted to
>> the care center right now is like the
[11:26] funding plan for that is to use the the
new tax healthare tax.
[11:32] » Yeah.
>> Yep. But they'll have to get a bond. I
[11:34] mean, it'll be like I think they're
thinking about it's about 14 million is
[11:38] what they're expecting that to cost.
>> Yes.
[11:42] And I think um oh the other thing is I
was just curious have any I know Aaron's
[11:47] seen the housing dashboard but has
anyone else seen the housing dashboard
[11:50] that Melissa created? I just thought
that would be an interesting thing to
[11:53] share.
>> It's like a new one not the not what's
[11:57] not just the been on the task force
website like different stuff.
[12:00] » It's on the task force but only for a
couple months. When did when was that
[12:03] finished? Few months.
>> Yeah. A couple months.
[12:05] » A couple months.
So really uh yeah I just wanted to just
[12:11] show you guys that as well since
economic board has had a lot to do with
[12:15] housing
and just see where we're at. So if you
[12:19] go to
>> so
[12:22] basically it shows like this is what the
funnel looks like. Then it gives all of
[12:27] the raw data that is populating the
funnel and you can preview the gap
[12:32] analysis and see sort of where we are in
relation to where we wanted to be in
[12:36] 2030. That's all driven by the Moab Area
Housing Task Force
[12:41] data that they created. and it just
provides all of the projections
[12:47] and then lines up with the priorities so
that we're able to see that. But what's
[12:53] really interesting is where it has been
really helpful and really useful is to
[12:59] discover that we're tracking ahead of
plan for 2030 in a lot of areas and it
[13:04] shows us exactly where we're behind and
then it shows us where our biggest gap
[13:08] is which is really great because it is
affordable housing for older adults. And
[13:16] so that's what we'll be able to correct
and address theoretically with the MAPS
[13:19] campus project and the the expansion of
the Canyon Lands Healthcare Center. But
[13:23] that's the area where we've got the most
amount of red is affordable housing for
[13:29] older adults.
[13:36] » Cool.
>> And then if you if you do break it into
[13:39] the agenda center, um
>> I got there.
[13:42] » You got there. Okay. And if you look at
two two uh meetings ago, the 1st of
[13:47] July, I think it was July 7th, I did
roll out a chair's chair's priority
[13:51] statement. So it's got 10 goals of the
commission um the commission majority
[13:57] currently. And so it's got those 10
different priorities and if you want to
[14:00] look at that, it it will be addressed in
this board. I think all the part of the
[14:05] our policies and procedures are that all
chairs will do this going forward at the
[14:09] county and they'll create this priority
statement. they can take mine and tear
[14:13] it apart or or go from there. And then
and then that will be shared with all
[14:16] the boards so that the boards will know
what is the idea. So all the directors
[14:20] and our county um directors and county
staff and our boards all know what the
[14:24] direction of the commission is so that
no one sitting here going well what what
[14:27] are we supposed to be doing? So that's
also on there and I think you'll get a
[14:30] copy of it. I I know that Dana was
working on getting out to all of our
[14:33] staff first and then she will get it to
um
[14:36] » what are we calling it? Chair
>> chair's priority statement.
[14:44] You know what? That's a good idea. I
know I've seen that happen in the past.
[14:47] That's a good idea.
>> So, those are those are my updates and I
[14:51] mean I'd always take any questions that
people have any
[14:53] » So, is that available already? That was
something that was like released or
[14:58] passed or
>> It wasn't past discussion. Yeah.
[15:01] » Yeah. But it's part of the commission um
the agenda documents for that day.
[15:05] » Yeah. Agenda documents already.
>> Yeah. To project that.
[15:09] » Yeah. Why not? Sure.
>> Do you want to send that to me?
[15:12] » You want me to send to you?
>> Do you mind?
[15:14] » I don't know if I have it official or do
I clean it up nicer, but she sent it to
[15:19] the director. So, let's see.
I could send it to you though. Sent.
[15:28] I could send it all to you guys. I was
just hoping it would come from like not
[15:32] just me, but from the
>> through well through Mark, Dana,
[15:36] whatever. I'm happy to share it to you.
Look at it for a sec.
[15:40] » Yeah.
What else can you tell about it?
[15:50] » I thought there was money and dream of a
new
[15:54] » dream. Dreams.
>> Yeah. Wouldn't that be nice?
[16:03] » A window.
[16:08] I've got Dana send it to me too because
still says draft on it but she's she's
[16:12] fixed it all up.
Send it to
[16:21] actually none of them have windows.
None.
[16:24] So, and Bernal both have really nice
fancy pants rooms, but they don't
[16:36] » form.
I'm still back on the county. They have
[16:41] uh
[16:45] We'll get to the western spirit.
[laughter]
[16:49] » We need that. We need a couple screens.
[16:54] » Too, you know,
>> fishbowl.
[16:59] » I hope that didn't send you the whole
spend.
[17:03] » Are you technically like the tallest
building?
[17:07] » I might send you the whole entire thing,
Melissa. Well,
[17:11] » I sent you the whole entire
>> Did you email it to me?
[17:15] » Yeah,
>> that could have been like
[17:18] » Oh, got it.
>> It might be the whole packet. Oh, no.
[17:26] That went that fast.
[17:33] No, it's not. Yeah.
Here we go.
[17:41] I can forward it to you guys too if you
want to.
[17:43] » Sure. Yeah.
>> It's the draft one. So you'll see
[17:47] specific
>> the substance is
[17:53] » it's like substantially the same.
>> Yeah. Just formatted.
[18:20] Did you find it?
>> Um, yeah, you sent it to me and I
[18:24] thought that I
downloaded it so that I could pop it up
[18:30] there.
[18:38] Anybody
[18:43] online have any questions?
[18:50] Um, I can't really see anything. I can
just hear y'all talking, but I mean I
[18:55] can see it, but I can't see it. You
know, it's too small. Is there a way
[19:01] we'll get a link or something another so
we can actually see? So I can see what
[19:07] this is.
[19:15] Is everybody frozen again?
[19:22] Well,
[19:38] » hey Pamela, I can hear you. Just give
you some confirmation that the other
[19:42] Zoomers, we can hear you, but it looks
like their um chambers may have dropped
[19:47] off here with connection. We'll see what
happens.
[19:51] Oh, you might be muted right now.
>> Yes, I was. I was muted. Thank you,
[19:57] though, Corey.
>> Yeah. Yeah, I'm I'm there with you. I've
[20:00] kind of been seeing the same thing.
>> It's kind of hard to follow.
[20:04] » Yeah. Yeah.
[20:51] Well, I I it's interesting they they're
the host chambers and so if they've
[20:56] dropped off and Deborah, I'm not sure if
you're here with us, too. Um
[21:01] » yeah, I'm here.
>> Yeah, that's you that's odd. We
[21:04] sometimes have that with the city system
where the host network will drop off but
[21:09] the Zoom continues.
Um but usually that would be that
[21:12] they're they're logging back in and
things just continue to run as normal
[21:16] but not sure. They may not even
>> recognize that they've dropped off.
[21:20] » Yeah. Before you hopped on Corey, this
happened.
[21:23] » Oh, it did? And they popped back on.
Gotcha.
[21:25] » Yeah.
>> Okay. So, I mean that's very odd but
[21:29] kind of typical weirdly enough.
>> Yeah. They said that their internet was
[21:32] in and out today. Gotcha. Gotcha. Okay.
Well, we'll we'll hang around then.
[21:38] » We'll see.
>> Yeah. Thank you.
[25:35] Oh, sorry guys.
Okay, so again, we have very bad
[25:41] internet today. I think what we're going
to do is move to the action item uh and
[25:46] then try to get that taken care of so
that if the internet cuts out again and
[25:50] we have to just adjurnn, we can just
adjurnn. Um if we have time for more
[25:54] discussion, there's some interesting
things that have been brought up. We'll
[25:56] come back.
[26:21] before it.
[26:28] Oh Sorry.
[26:51] Is everyone able to see the screen?
Yes.
[26:56] » Oh, okay. Perfect. Okay, awesome. Um,
just to go back through the budget, we
[27:01] have
>> We we see you, Melissa. We see the room,
[27:05] not the screen you're sharing.
>> Oh, thank you.
[27:09] » There you go.
>> Well, I do at least.
[27:11] » Thanks.
>> Now, it should be up.
[27:13] » Okay. Got it.
>> Now, can you see it?
[27:18] » Yes.
>> Oh, yay.
[27:21] So, uh, just as a refresher, we had
already, uh, voted to spend the $50,000
[27:27] for Kenya Lensfield Airport.
And then for the remainder of the
[27:32] budget, what had been proposed was, um,
capacity building for staff,
[27:39] memberships, and partnerships, county
profile, software tools, and reporting,
[27:44] and then matching funds for economic
development project grants.
[27:50] for a total of 150.
[27:56] » So, and then with the airport then that
gets us to the 200.
[28:08] » Sorry, what's what's the conference?
>> Conferences. So, like the top summit.
[28:15] Yeah.
>> Go to conferences. You're not hosting
[28:18] Oh, yeah. I've done it for $10,000. It's
not
[28:22] » um membership partnerships. What is
that?
[28:25] » Uh most of that is EDC Utah. So EDC
Utah, the work that we do with Z's
[28:31] public finance,
those are the memberships.
[28:38] » Oh, I don't remember that ever being a
thing. But
[28:42] » it's because we've never paid for it
before. It was always paid out of
[28:46] economic diversification funds.
But this board has never
[28:53] funded economic development department
before. They've just done STEM grant
[28:56] programs. So all of this is
>> okay
[29:02] to this.
>> If I remember correctly, you've also
[29:04] told us that the we've sort of lapsed on
our funding to EDC and have an outdated
[29:10] page for
>> all of those things,
[29:12] » business attraction. It's like that sort
of that side that thing. So, it's paying
[29:17] for trying to recruit businesses to mow
it
[29:20] » along with some other services they
provide.
[29:22] » So, yeah,
>> they've got a whole package of things
[29:28] that they do for different counties and
like for example our sales tax leakage
[29:33] reports, all of the reporting that they
do for us, but we're just
[29:38] behind two years. So, it's not going to
be going forward 30,000 a year for per
[29:45] se or it is.
>> It probably is, but it won't be coming
[29:49] from this group. Theoretically, maybe.
>> Okay. And then um
[29:56] » in the past it came from economic
development budget.
[29:58] » Okay. Matching funds for economic
development project grants.
[30:05] Those are the old grants, not new. Like
>> this would be any new grants. So for
[30:11] example, if we decided that we wanted to
apply for RCOG to do pre-construction
[30:17] costs on the development projects for
the county complex, then our 10%
[30:22] required match on that would be $35,000
$40,000.
[30:27] » Okay. So So not grants for giving,
grants for applying.
[30:32] » Correct. Yeah.
Okay.
[30:36] » I mean, I think that's smart. It's one
thing I've talked to folks about before
[30:39] is that we should have a budget for
match [clears throat] to be able to
[30:43] match because we don't want to be able
to we don't want to run into a position
[30:45] where we're applying for a grant as a
county and not be able to come up with
[30:49] match.
>> That's the bucket I wish was higher.
[30:53] » Yeah. But that said, this is just for
2027, so it needs
[31:10] So
just to also go back to last meeting, I
[31:14] mean one thing we talked about was
making a recommendation that goes along
[31:22] with B, you know, this this for this
year being a year in which funding the
[31:26] department. That's a transition here.
Yeah. Right. Um,
[31:31] and I think I brought up maybe that it
would be great, I think it would be
[31:35] great to have along with that a
statement that going forward we would
[31:41] like to not do this backwards
or you know, but rather it'd be
[31:47] the the preferred way
to do this is to have us offer input
[31:52] before the budgeting process allocates
funds
[31:58] so that there can a space for, you know,
actual back and forth between the
[32:02] commission and and this board.
So, that's what what I would sort of
[32:07] throw out there is that we, you know, we
trust Melissa and the team to make the
[32:13] best use of the funding for this year,
understanding that this is a transition
[32:18] year and that we make part of our
recommendation. We use that language in
[32:21] the recommendation that this is a
transition year, you know, sort of
[32:24] suggesting that this isn't the way we
should be funding the department going
[32:27] forward.
and that the you know the the preferred
[32:32] way to
decide how RCG funds are spent
[32:38] with a process from this board that
offers a recommendation of commission
[32:43] and then the commission acts on that
that's you know that's
[32:48] work outside of that process this board
for several reasons
[32:53] that's what I would put out there is
something along those lines what other
[32:58] people's thoughts are, what you'd like
to see in a recommendation to the
[33:02] commission from the sports.
>> I got a lot more than that, but so it's
[33:05] kind of a big can of worms, but um I
mean I feel like this board could be
[33:09] more of of a place to get information
about how economic development is going
[33:14] in the community, how business community
is doing. It could be a conduit, not so
[33:18] much like the planning commission like
we're going to vote on every little
[33:21] thing, but it could be more um could
really add value in terms of helping
[33:27] with economic development decisions that
as opposed to um you know just the
[33:33] grants or just stuff that we were all
limited to. So I don't know. I think
[33:37] that if we're if our goal is to get this
done today, if we have a quorum, um I
[33:42] mean I think you're right, Chris, that
we need to think about what is the
[33:45] purpose of this board going forward and
what what are we
[33:49] you know what is our role and and right
now our what do we call it charter uh
[33:56] bylaws
or say just do the just do the um grants
[34:02] pretty much. And so um and so even
though it's because the grants aren't
[34:09] available this year because county is
has needs the funds then it's sort of
[34:14] like okay. So I don't know I think I
think if we were going to add any
[34:18] language like that we might want to
think about it more and work chuck it a
[34:21] little bit and think about a way to make
it palatable to or more productive or
[34:26] something. But um I just have one
question about this but but if you want
[34:29] to make a motion and you have
>> No, I'm not gonna make a motion.
[34:31] » Okay. Go ahead.
>> Okay. um on the uh 40,000 if we don't
[34:35] spend it to apply for some grant this
year. Do you guys already have a grant
[34:38] in mind that you need that matching
money for?
[34:42] » I would like to apply for a lot more. I
mean, there's so much I'm shocked at how
[34:48] much we're not funding as a county and
how much opportunity is available to us.
[34:53] And all of those are tied to matching
funds. So, the only reason why I
[34:58] budgeted the 40,000 is just because
there's not a lot of budget. 40,000
[35:03] theoretically would just be the one RCG
match. If it weren't and we had
[35:08] additional opportunities available,
I wish that we had more in pocket. So,
[35:15] the reason why I did that one is it's
the minimum for what the ask would be
[35:19] probably on the RCOG this year. Deborah,
do you know if you can use RCG to match
[35:25] for RCG?
>> I don't know if you're there with us
[35:29] right now, Deborah.
[35:33] » Um
um I will have to get back to you on
[35:40] that.
>> Okay.
[35:41] » I don't want to say officially and be
wrong.
[35:43] » Yeah, no problem.
>> So, I will find out and get back to you.
[35:47] » Okay.
I mean, I presume if that's not
[35:51] feasible, then that would be available
for either other grants. And if that
[35:56] ends up not being the case, then you'd
what? Probably spread that 40,000 among
[36:00] those other categories up there.
>> Yeah. I mean, I would rather use it to
[36:05] apply for grants that aren't RCOD.
>> Yeah. Yeah, that sounds great. But yes,
[36:10] worst case scenario, I think that we
would go back and
[36:13] » reconfigure that
>> in in regardless, you could still, you
[36:18] know, put it in for your application.
That's a discussion once it reaches um
[36:23] compliance or James Dixon that we have
then also I'll definitely get an answer
[36:27] before then, but I would suggest you
still move forward in your in your
[36:31] process regardless.
Okay.
[36:39] So, I guess the answer was you don't
have a specific grant now, but you feel
[36:44] like there's a lot of grants out there
that we should be applying for. Is that
[36:47] » specifically? I'm hoping that we can use
it for our COG.
[36:51] » Okay.
>> Because that's what we need it for. But
[36:53] if we can't, then there are USDA
community facilities grants that we also
[36:59] want to apply for and several EDA grants
that we want to apply for as well.
[37:03] » Okay. And I guess my question is if you
don't if the timing of the grant that
[37:07] you decide you want to apply for is um
off and this doesn't get spent in the
[37:13] fiscal year or whatever the dates of
this are um can it carry over so that
[37:18] you would be building up a grants
matching
[37:22] or would it go away?
>> That's a Deborah question. So obviously
[37:26] it would come back to the board to
decide what you wanted to do with it.
[37:30] » Well you you you can encumber them. So,
say you do want to use them for matching
[37:36] funds, you can still carry them over the
next year as um encumbered funds for
[37:43] um for matching grants.
[37:52] So, you're still saying that you're
going to use it for that reason and you
[37:57] can transfer them over for the same
reason. It's really when um you're
[38:02] changing a project, you're going to use
the funds for something completely
[38:06] different.
>> Yeah, that makes sense.
[38:11] » Um
so,
[38:18] okay. So, given all that, I guess it's
fine. I mean, so you need a motion to
[38:22] approve this budget. Well,
>> the way Well, the way I' the way I've
[38:26] thought about it, I just found I had
written about potential motion last time
[38:29] and I'm happy to put it up if you want
to see it. But
[38:33] » I think we should just say that the
money be dedicated to the needs of
[38:36] economic development staff in ways that
the county staff dee best to promote the
[38:41] development of greater economic
opportunity. We just don't, you know, we
[38:45] don't give it a specific budget like
this is the money that the the staff is
[38:50] going to use. It has to, you know, it
has to be approved by commission
[38:53] administrator and Melissa. Like, let's
let them spend the money the way that
[38:57] they think it has the most impact, which
is, I mean, we're seeing what exactly
[39:00] what that is, but but that way if the
40,000 doesn't work there and it needs
[39:04] to get reconfigured, it's just their
budget. I mean, that's what the whole
[39:07] point is. This is supposed to be the
economic development budget this year.
[39:14] If folks want the spreadsheet, like, I'm
not opposed to that. I just kind of
[39:18] think it's cleaner to just say we're
just we're going to make that
[39:22] recommendation that it supports them.
>> And so you're saying don't even give
[39:26] specifics and let them do whatever they
want.
[39:28] » Yeah.
>> Interesting.
[39:30] » Yeah. I mean it's a it's like the same
as it would be if it was a budget for a
[39:34] department,
>> right? I mean it is our recommendation.
[39:38] So there's nothing wrong with doing it a
different way, doing it more specific,
[39:42] but
[39:46] » I don't Well, it's a tiny amount of
money really. And you're right that like
[39:50] if you had something come up, but I
don't even know when this time frame is.
[39:55] I mean, we've already spent the 50,000
for the airport.
[39:58] » This is it's July. It's August and we're
approving the budget for this fiscal
[40:03] year. So, that is the calendar and the
fiscal the same
[40:06] » calendar 2027. So,
October one. Deborah, is it September or
[40:13] October?
[40:18] So we live with this. This is would be
the budget for from October to October
[40:24] September 1st or whatever. Okay. So this
is for the future.
[40:28] » Is that right? But I mean how we already
spent 50,000 in this that wasn't in
[40:33] October of this year. That was
>> because we deferred payment on this on
[40:37] the airport. So the airport is going to
get paid off out of this fund. Oh, we
[40:43] had the cash to pay it. We just
>> Correct. So, we deferred it.
[40:47] » So, we put we used future money of this
committee. Okay.
[40:52] » Last year, 2025,
>> we ran a subrant program.
[40:58] » 2026,
>> that's where it's confusing. So, I just
[41:03] finished the final reporting and
submitted [snorts]
[41:06] last week for fiscal year 2026 RCG.
>> Okay. That was all of the correct. So
[41:13] the reporting on it has to be completed
by July 30th. So we just completed
[41:19] meaning submitted last week
>> on fiscal year 2026 funding. The problem
[41:25] is, and just so that you guys are aware,
the the the issue that it causes for
[41:30] subgrant programs, and we need to be
aware of this moving forward, and it
[41:33] caused a few hiccups this year that
we've had to deal with, is theoretically
[41:38] this program only allows subgrantees or
whoever six months to complete a
[41:44] project.
>> Yeah.
[41:44] » So, by the time that you are good to go
and you know for sure that you're
[41:48] getting the money, you literally only
have six months before your reporting is
[41:51] due, right?
>> And it creates a really tight
[41:55] compressed timeline. It's a little
tricky,
[41:59] » but it's definitely fiscal. This is
fiscal 2027. It either runs from
[42:04] Endeavor would have to check me on this,
but it's September.
[42:07] » That's what's weird about this is
because the the commission suggested
[42:11] that the RCG should be paying for I mean
the commission budget that was approved
[42:17] was for fiscal 2026,
right? It's because we can unc encumber
[42:22] it in 2026 because that's this this
year. So our ours goes from January to
[42:28] December, but the grant goes from
October to whatever. So
[42:34] » I think I missed a question. I'm sorry.
I had a call. I think you were asking me
[42:38] about the the fiscal year. The state's
fiscal year is July 1st to June 30th.
[42:45] » And that's that's the fiscal year that
this grant follows. Sorry, that's my
[42:50] math.
>> That answers all.
[42:51] » So, we'll so we'll we'll receive this
money from the state in our in our 2026
[42:56] budget.
>> Totally. So, I got
[42:58] » Yeah, it was just the fact that the
state
[43:00] » Yeah, it is it is it is opposite.
>> Yeah.
[43:03] » Okay. Um Pamela, Amanda, do you guys
have anything that you you know,
[43:09] thoughts about approving this? What
you'd like to see in a motion?
[43:16] » Nothing in partic. I mean, it's kind of
it's different, but this is transition
[43:22] as you said, but I I like seeing things
spelled out, but instead of being loosey
[43:29] goosey.
[43:34] » Yeah, Erin, Amanda, also if you have
anything.
[43:36] » Oh, sorry. Yeah, go for it.
>> Go ahead, Amanda, if you wanted to jump
[43:42] in.
I was just going to say I like the idea
[43:46] of the spreadsheet but also like the
caveat that um you know if there's the
[43:50] matching funds but there is no grant for
the matching funds but then you have
[43:54] that caveat where rather than bring it
back to us they can just move forward
[43:59] with something in place.
>> So somehow kind of giving giving them
[44:04] that leeway to reallocate funds if need
be.
[44:09] » Okay.
>> Yeah, I agree with that.
[44:15] So, not just carry it forward, but say
if you don't use it for a grant, you
[44:19] could use it for something else.
>> Is that I was thinking I guess I was
[44:25] thinking that we could build up the
grant fund like
[44:28] » imagine
>> that um if we don't spend I mean we're
[44:33] both talking about right if we don't
spend it what happens to it? And so we
[44:37] could give both options. We could say if
it doesn't happen and you have another
[44:41] priority, you could bring it to us and
we could discuss it or we could decide
[44:46] to carry it forward. I mean, I
definitely know how hard it is to find
[44:50] matching funds for grants. And I I
definitely think that you're right.
[44:54] There's a million grants that we don't
apply for. So, but if you don't, if
[44:58] nothing fits the calendar or whatever
the specific need right now, it would be
[45:02] great to build that up if that got to be
$100,000 or whatever. But I'm not sure
[45:06] in the world of the county we can
actually cling on to that money. And
[45:10] that's what I'm asking. Kind of like
>> well, if it's encumbered, if it's
[45:14] encumbered, then it has to then I mean,
it can't be spent on something else,
[45:18] » right? Well, that's what I'm trying to
figure out. Do we even have that power
[45:20] to kind of encumber it and say let's
keep this going so that in future as
[45:26] school grants come up we have some money
to spend that that was the idea. So um
[45:33] but you could do both. You could say at
your discretion I mean so there seems
[45:38] like there's three ideas on the table
right now. One is scrap the budget and
[45:43] say it's all at your discretion and we
approve spending the money. Second one
[45:47] is approve it like it is, but say this
400,000 is for matching funds going
[45:53] forward. You know, I mean, we could
always vote to change our mind, I guess,
[45:57] if some compelling thing came up. I
mean, we voted to do the airport,
[46:01] whatever. And then um and then the third
one is kind of what you just mentioned,
[46:06] Amanda, that it it Well, I guess that's
that's the other the second one. It's
[46:11] it's it's discretionary. So, I don't
really Yeah, but you do you need us you
[46:18] probably need us to do something on this
today.
[46:20] » So, she's I think I I think that the way
that it works is that if you guys
[46:23] approve like the budget how it is,
that's the paperwork that goes just like
[46:27] everything else we've had to do. If if
you guys recommend it and the commission
[46:32] says yes,
>> right?
[46:33] » Then then they take it and and it's it's
a report. So she fills out a report, she
[46:39] sends it to the state of Utah and then
anything that deviates from that report
[46:46] is updated. So you know and and
generally comes back before the
[46:49] commission. So if we have to do anything
different than what we do, the
[46:52] commission comes back before the
commission to change it.
[46:55] » Got it.
>> We've had to do that before.
[46:56] » But that's kind of what Deborah was
saying is that but if we don't have to
[46:59] if it doesn't substantially change the
work that's being proposed, then it can
[47:02] be done without that without the
processes. So yeah. Um, and so that and
[47:08] so I I would imagine that if if you kept
a budget that had it in there as grant
[47:13] money, so I guess that's the point. If
you have the money in there as grant
[47:16] money and that's the way that you
approve it and that's the way the
[47:19] commission approves it, then that's
encumbered and then so going forward
[47:22] that would say grant money unless it
came back. So I mean I think that's your
[47:25] guys's issue is like yeah, do we want to
specifically say this or do we want to
[47:30] give it more of a of a liberal thing? So
I think that either either
[47:34] » well given that the commission can
override our recommendation if they're
[47:38] like you know what money's tight we
don't want disenccumbered they can just
[47:42] say no and then that's it. And so um so
I think if if we want to do grants if
[47:51] you really want to do grants we got to
come up with some matching money and
[47:55] this is a start. So, um I mean I can
make a motion to say I approve, but I
[48:01] I'm really not clear on what we want to
do.
[48:03] » Well, let's was I I guess what is we
keep saying transition is the idea that
[48:09] like the commission in the next year
fully fund this and then use the grant
[48:15] this grant. Is that what you guys are
thinking?
[48:17] » I would re I am going to recommend that
in this 2027 budget that we have a
[48:21] budget for economic development if we
can. I hope so. I don't know where we'll
[48:24] come out with the end of this year's
finances, but I I um
[48:30] I'm hoping to have a balanced budget as
of July and then we have money at the
[48:36] end of the year that we can create an
economic development department probably
[48:39] with more staff than just Melissa, you
know, and I think grants are super
[48:42] important because the grants bring us
more money. So, you take that $35,000
[48:46] and you get a whole bunch more money
into it. I mean, it just it makes sense.
[48:49] It would be silly to say we don't want
to do that. I think um as any whether
[48:54] it's this board or the commission that
just seems silly and it would be great
[48:57] to have those kind of things built up
and and it would be great to have
[49:00] economic development and then next year
you guys would get to do all kinds of
[49:04] different things with you know um with
the RCG money what what direction does
[49:08] the board want to go with
recommendations next year and start
[49:11] coming with those you know and the RCOG
I'm just giving you some ideas of what
[49:14] I'm looking at and what we could
possibly use for RCOG funds coming up as
[49:19] well so I think that's important to
think about. Yes, it's moment the
[49:22] momentarily there's been some changes,
but this board's seen a lot of those and
[49:26] and I do hope to fund them with county
money and not economic development grant
[49:32] money.
>> Well, it it sounds like from the vibe I
[49:36] get from you, you're not worried about
spending that 40 grand. So, like just
[49:40] kind of like, you know, kind of go as is
on it. I mean, that's what I would I
[49:47] mean, move to approve this. Yeah. I mean
that sucks, right?
[49:54] [laughter]
>> Well, the thing is these grants come up.
[49:56] I mean, on the chamber, we worked on a
lot of grants and they come up and they
[49:59] have deadlines and you're like, and then
you're like, are we going to do this or
[50:03] not? And how are we going to match it?
And so having some funds set aside for
[50:07] that purpose is really important because
then when you file the grant, you say,
[50:11] we have the matching funds, which is a
whole bunch easier than saying, we might
[50:15] be able to get them. So, I I think it's
important and I think there are grants.
[50:20] Some of them are torture, but some of
them are really cool and and it's money
[50:24] the state is giving out for economic
development and Grant County should get
[50:27] it, but I think we need to start
building it up. That's what I'm trying
[50:31] to say. It's like it it needs to be
compelling the grant we're going to use.
[50:35] We want to make sure it's the right
thing. Um, so anyway, I don't know. Uh,
[50:43] uh, it's up to you, Chris. So, well, let
me just read you guys the additional
[50:50] language besides that. So, I it sounds
to me like there's more or less a
[50:53] consensus that we should put a budget in
there. Sounds great. Let's do that. Um,
[50:57] tagging it basically as Melissa
presented. So, we would just put that
[51:00] straight in a motion. Um,
and then I would suggest
[51:07] adding language something along the
lines of the 2026 RCG. It's actually
[51:12] 2027.
The FY2027
[51:18] RCG was earmarked for county economic
development staffing and county economic
[51:21] development office budgetary needs in
the fall of 2025 before the EOAB had the
[51:26] opportunity to offer a recommendation on
the matter recognizing that 2026 the
[51:31] economic opportunity advisory board
recommends that for future grants the
[51:36] county seek guidance from EOB EOAB
before allocating RCG funding.
[51:41] so that the OAB has the opportunity to
complete its statutory responsibility to
[51:44] recommend to the commission the use of
RCG funds the board believes will best
[51:48] create economic opportunity for the
residents of Granite County.
[51:51] » I don't know that that gets it Deborah.
Does that
[51:56] » gets what?
>> Well, okay. So,
[51:59] » this isn't about the funding that that
language is about. I'm talking about the
[52:04] motion.
>> Yeah.
[52:05] » What my concern is
>> is that this the the letter the
[52:10] recommendation that goes in the packet
for the GOED application.
[52:14] » This wouldn't be this is for the
commission that this I mean so
[52:19] » we would make we're making a
recommendation to the county commission.
[52:23] » Sure.
>> Commission is then going to act on
[52:26] » what you said was is that we didn't get
to perform our statutory duty this time.
[52:31] We would like to perform it next time.
>> We I did not say we didn't perform our
[52:34] statuto duty.
>> That was what they took out of the first
[52:37] two sentences.
>> Uh
[52:38] » doesn't matter, but I'm splitting the
hairs to make sure that it hits the
[52:42] statutory requirement for the grant.
[52:47] » Listen to that.
>> Well, I don't think this would end up in
[52:51] the application unless the commission
wanted it to. That which wouldn't make
[52:54] sense.
>> Motion has to be uploaded in the portal.
[52:57] » This isn't this is not what I'm
suggesting. This is our recommendation,
[53:01] » right? But every motion this committee
does has to be uploaded in the portal
[53:04] that goes to the state.
>> Funding the funding recommendation that
[53:08] you make,
>> but there's two different things.
[53:11] There's a recommendation to the
commission.
[53:14] » That's what we make. We make
recommendations to the commission will
[53:17] then take action on it.
>> No, it's this board's recommendation
[53:21] that has to be uploaded.
>> Correct.
[53:23] » Just like this board had to do a
certification about the reporting for
[53:27] 2026.
We have to do that every single year.
[53:31] That's the only reason why I want to be
careful. So, for example, if this
[53:35] » board wanted to write a whole letter to
the commission and say, "Hey, here's
[53:40] what we believe. This is how we believe
the process can be improved and here's
[53:43] how we would like to see it go, whatever
that split them into two
[53:47] recommendations,
>> but the motion, the actual approval of
[53:51] this."
>> Yeah. So, we're we're making a re you're
[53:54] making a recommendation that's about if
we're going to have an economic
[53:58] development department, we're going to
have an economic development committee,
[54:00] which right now's only purpose is to
spend this grant. And if you're saying,
[54:06] okay,
hey, in the future,
[54:12] um it's it's totally separate from we
would run two motions. One to just fund
[54:17] this budget, done and done, whatever.
And then um the second motion would be
[54:22] hey in the future we think this is
important and the commission can ignore
[54:26] it or say sure or we can see what
happens in the future. But
[54:31] » does that alleviate your concern if we
split it into two recommendations?
[54:35] » Sure. I just want to make sure with her
because I know that that is the only
[54:39] piece that needs to get uploaded is your
motion and if you're saying hey we
[54:43] didn't get to do it this time but we
would really like to get to do it next
[54:46] time. I don't think that would make it
past compliance.
[54:50] Does that make sense?
>> But it depends on how you're funding it
[54:53] in that sentence. So if we just pass a
motion right now, let's let's pass the
[54:57] budget. Let's do that first and then we
could come back to this other motion and
[55:01] then we could discuss
totally wrong. That's why I'm hoping
[55:04] that
>> Deborah might.
[55:08] » Yes. So there are several ways that you
could do it and Chris I think has
[55:12] drafted a few of these letters. It could
be a letter from the board also saying
[55:17] that they participated and that they
advised the commission and maybe that's
[55:22] where you typically put your motion.
Um, you know, signed by the board chair
[55:29] or commission meeting minutes. I think
you're you're good to proceed however
[55:34] you guys decide.
>> Sounds like there's some flexibility in
[55:38] terms of how the stuff shows up in the
application packet. Then
[55:40] » it just comes from this board, not the
commission. And if it makes it easier,
[55:44] let's divide into two. So you can put
the the single motion in the packet if
[55:49] that makes it feel better. I think
that's totally fine. Um okay. Well then
[55:54] let's do whoever would like to put
forward a motion
[55:59] um on the budget on anyone want to jump
in and make a recommendation for
[56:06] the board.
[56:10] » I'm torn.
>> Okay, I'll go ahead and make one. I can
[56:13] just it's fine. Um I can still do that
as chair on a small board. Um, so I
[56:18] would move to recommend that the county
commission uh to the county commission
[56:22] that the remaining approximately
$150,000 in 2026 rural county grant
[56:27] funding 2027, sorry, rural county grant
funding
[56:32] be dedicated to the staffing activities
of county economic developments
[56:37] uh of county economic development staff,
including all of the items listed on the
[56:42] budget on our screen totaling $150,000.
[56:48] So are you is is the way you worded that
are you sticking to these specific
[56:53] numbers or are you giving more freedom?
I
[56:55] » Yeah, it sounds like we wanted to stick
to the numbers. That's what I'm
[56:57] suggesting and then later figure it out.
>> We approve this budget.
[57:01] » Yep.
>> Okay. I second.
[57:03] » All right. Any discussion on that?
So let's just have a vote. Okay. All in
[57:09] favor of that motion to support this
budget? I
[57:15] » I
>> Okay, it looks like it's unanimous
[57:19] uh with the the folks in the room and on
Zoom that are important members. So,
[57:24] that motion purposes
>> that uh
[57:29] satisfies the requirement of the grant
and the motion that you can put in and
[57:32] we're all good. Now, if we want to make
another recommendation that is totally
[57:36] separate about how we think these future
things should go,
[57:40] » just a statement about
>> Yeah, it's a it's just a statement about
[57:44] the process.
>> And I suggest keeping it simple. I mean,
[57:47] I have a lot of feelings that you do
actually about sort of like big picture,
[57:50] the role of this board and stuff. I just
think that that's like a little bit
[57:53] we've kind of gotten in a fire about
some of I I don't think we should go
[57:57] there because
>> um but I do think that just like trying
[58:00] to line up how this fits into the
budgeting process would be great to I
[58:06] think it would be helpful to make
recommendations.
[58:08] » Well, the thing is the hope is that it
doesn't fit into the budgeting process.
[58:14] Meaning in the in our dream world,
there's a budget for the economic
[58:18] development department and there's the
grant money and we get to spend it like
[58:23] we have in the past or some way like
that, right? And so there this whole
[58:28] situation doesn't happen where we're
told, hey, the county is going to need
[58:33] this money, so we're keeping it. So now
you're not doing the grant process. Like
[58:37] we hope that that doesn't happen again.
And maybe and if it does if it starts to
[58:42] look like that then we could raise our
hand and say well hey can we get work
[58:46] can we work on this in advance or
something like that. So I it doesn't
[58:51] feel like it's enough of a
um [clears throat]
[58:58] I just don't I mean hopefully this isn't
going to happen again and if it is maybe
[59:02] we'll have enough of a heads up to say
hey can we go ahead and approve these
[59:05] things in advance.
But I mean, even if the even if the the
[59:09] department is funded and that's
separate, you could still see future
[59:14] world in which the budgeting process
starts to make recommendations on how
[59:18] the grant money should be spent. There's
precedent for it. They just did it.
[59:21] » Yeah.
>> Right. And so, you know, I I think the
[59:25] » recommendation I think our board should
recommend that that's not how it's not
[59:28] the best way to to to manage this,
>> right? But since I think I'm pretty sure
[59:33] that um
[59:37] since this money the county has the
final say on this money and so I don't
[59:43] think I just don't I don't I don't know
I don't think it
[59:49] » but then it should be exactly that. It
should be the final say, right? That's
[59:52] how it's supposed to work, not the
initial recommendation. Well, so what so
[59:56] you would say, "Hey, we recommend that
you uh give us the opportunity to weigh
[1:00:02] in on
>> future grant cycles. The county seek
[1:00:05] guidance from the EOAB before allocating
RCG funding."
[1:00:09] » I don't like that because I don't think
it's what you really want.
[1:00:13] » If I if I'm listening to you and I'm
listening to all of you,
[1:00:20] it's two separate things. One is how the
process worked, which I think was
[1:00:24] miserable for everyone, right? Which is,
hey, let's make a recommendation about
[1:00:29] how we spend it. We don't get to spend
it on whatever. But then there's also
[1:00:33] what you allocate the funds to. And what
I'm hearing more from you guys is, look,
[1:00:38] we have a preference that RCG funding
not be used for county staff and
[1:00:44] funding. We would prefer that those
things be separate.
[1:00:48] » I think that's a Does that make sense? I
think that's true. I think that they're
[1:00:51] two separate things. So, one is the
process.
[1:00:56] » The other one is to just say, "Hey, as a
board, we would like to recommend to the
[1:01:00] commission that rule county grant funds
not be used to fund staff and economic
[1:01:05] development departments."
>> Okay. Well, that's a separate suggestion
[1:01:08] and I think it's one that could be
considered because I think it's a pretty
[1:01:11] good one, but I don't think that that
has any shows any negatives as to why we
[1:01:15] shouldn't
consider something about the process
[1:01:19] » because the process could have been the
same. Meaning, you guys could have done
[1:01:23] this too, right? You could have said,
"We have $150,000 left after whatever
[1:01:28] and here's how we would like to spend
it,
[1:01:30] » right? But we didn't have that
opportunity."
[1:01:32] » That's why we're doing it. We're doing
it after the fact right now. Well, she's
[1:01:36] saying she's saying when we planned when
we agreed to the 50,000 for the airport,
[1:01:41] we could have at that very meeting or at
the next meeting, we could have said
[1:01:46] we're going to go ahead and budget the
rest of the money and
[1:01:49] » it had already been budgeted.
>> Yes.
[1:01:52] » Yeah.
>> Yes. Yeah.
[1:01:55] » Fall of 2025 is when the budgeting
process happened,
[1:01:58] » right? But what I kept saying before
this allocated the funding for spend but
[1:02:04] you're the difference is you're talking
about the specifics of how to spend the
[1:02:07] other 150. You're talking about the fact
that
[1:02:11] » we were already told how to spend 150.
We're we're giving minor recommendations
[1:02:15] on within we already know because we
were told by the commission that it's
[1:02:20] going to the economic development
department or staff, right? We were told
[1:02:24] that.
>> We didn't make that decision. That's
[1:02:26] true. Now we're like, now we're trying
to fulfill our role
[1:02:30] » because we didn't have the opportunity
to do a proper way.
[1:02:32] » We were never asked, do you think this
could go to pay for the economic
[1:02:36] development?
[1:02:46] » But before the air, I mean, we were told
that in 2025. The airport thing then
[1:02:50] came up in early 2026,
>> but we were told in 2025 that we weren't
[1:02:54] going to be able to run the
>> and we were also told in 2025 that the
[1:02:58] reason for that was because there was a
severe bud budget shortfall and there
[1:03:02] sort of within that you can understand
that that what that implies that
[1:03:07] » this is an exceptional year.
>> Yeah. And I'm just trying to codify this
[1:03:12] idea that that should be a one-time
thing where this is an exceptional year
[1:03:17] and we weren't fully consulted on how to
spend the money and so now we're doing
[1:03:22] it after the fact.
>> Well, I think it's their prerogative to
[1:03:25] boss this basically the way this the
bylaws of this committee right now. I
[1:03:29] don't know that we have the I mean we
would say in the perfect world they
[1:03:34] would have said hey we would like we're
going to need your money. would you be
[1:03:38] willing to give it to us? And we could
have debated it and said, "Sounds like
[1:03:41] you really need it. Here it is." And
then we would have felt the carts and
[1:03:44] horses would have been in the right
order.
[1:03:45] » That's the way it's supposed to work.
That's
[1:03:47] » And last year And last year you guys
were more than willing to fund the
[1:03:51] economic development department because
you wanted staff and then this year
[1:03:54] you're super angry about it. So I mean
we're angry. We're just [laughter] we're
[1:03:58] having a conversation about process that
that
[1:04:03] » this board advocated for there to be an
economic development staff. We didn't
[1:04:07] have any we never made any
recommendation on how to fund it idea
[1:04:10] which was
>> last year when we were looking at like
[1:04:13] the $200,000 and we didn't have staff.
We talked about like do we do we use
[1:04:18] some of that money for you know you and
I sat down and talked about it and I and
[1:04:23] I said no we shouldn't because we've
already sent all this money out you know
[1:04:26] we've already sent all these have all
these grant applicants like and then
[1:04:29] we're going to pull back money and
>> so no we talked Yeah. We talked about
[1:04:32] doing it for that you you talked about
doing it based on this year's grant
[1:04:35] cycle which is and then that's what
happened
[1:04:37] » and yeah last year cuz I'm like we
already sent all of these grants out
[1:04:41] that would look really crappy as for the
county to say oh never mind we're not
[1:04:44] going to give any of you these grants
totally we're going to pay for staff
[1:04:47] » I agree with
>> and so we used money accounting money to
[1:04:50] hire Melissa but this year we had no
county money to hire Melissa and this
[1:04:54] year we didn't send out grants to
everybody saying hey you want to use
[1:04:57] some of this money and then pull it back
from them either so yeah last year
[1:05:00] whenever I was there. I was like, "Yeah,
we probably shouldn't pay any money out
[1:05:04] of economic development because we have
all these grants out there." I wouldn't
[1:05:08] have recommended it. I thought it would
have looked bad to do that last year
[1:05:11] with all those all of those grant
applicants.
[1:05:14] » Yeah. Last year, we were suggested by
the commission that we should run a
[1:05:17] grant program for small businesses in
our community and that's what we did.
[1:05:22] » Yeah.
>> Right. But in that in that case there
[1:05:24] was some feedback given by the
commission and then the board acted on
[1:05:28] that feedback you know but also
contributing our own ideas to how grant
[1:05:32] cycles could be run and then we made a
recommendation and then the commission
[1:05:37] approved it right that that was like
kind of a normal
[1:05:39] » you guys could have still and just like
to Melissa's point you could have still
[1:05:43] even though I told you that it was put
in the budget because I'm open and
[1:05:46] transparent and it happened last meeting
in December that was chosen so not like
[1:05:51] fall of 2020 25, but it was also it was
chosen to use that for there. But you
[1:05:56] guys could have still said we still
we're going to put in a different
[1:05:58] recommendation.
>> Yeah.
[1:05:59] » But I mean at that point it would have I
mean
[1:06:03] » at that point it would be a lot of work
to put in a different recommendation and
[1:06:06] still have the commission go back and
say no.
[1:06:07] » Exactly.
>> But that's it is one year. It is a
[1:06:10] one-year thing.
>> Totally hopefully that we'll do it in
[1:06:12] the future. So I mean I think part of
you if you want to have that frustration
[1:06:16] to the whole commission not just to me.
>> No it's just it's not about a
[1:06:19] frustration. It's really just about
communication,
[1:06:22] » right? It's because we we've had these
conversations, right? You're you're here
[1:06:25] and we have these conversations. We
don't have conversations like this about
[1:06:30] the process with other commissioners,
but we had that workshop last year about
[1:06:35] the RCG and RCG with the commissioners.
And that was, you know, that's great.
[1:06:39] That was like a learning process for
everybody. But I there, you know, in the
[1:06:43] same way that you all use the you all
use the passage of changing bylaws as a
[1:06:50] way to communicate to us, like our way
that we can officially communicate back
[1:06:53] to you, not just you individually, but
the commission is through
[1:06:56] recommendations, right? And so it's not
that I'm not I'm not, you know, mad
[1:07:01] about it, but I do think that we didn't
get the process right this time or let's
[1:07:05] just say there were exceptional
circumstances that require that the
[1:07:09] process, you know, the timeline of the
process change, but let's not codify
[1:07:14] that, you know.
>> Yeah, I don't think we should Yeah, I
[1:07:16] don't think it should be going forward.
I agree. I'm fine with your letter. I
[1:07:19] was letting you know that it was like it
was definitely conversation. I think you
[1:07:23] that there's a lot of conversation and
this is the whole reason that I brought
[1:07:26] the bylaws back to what the state code
has is because I think that you guys can
[1:07:30] accomplish things that you spend a lot
of time talking, you know, talking
[1:07:33] about, but I and not and not moving
forward with it. You know, I think you
[1:07:38] guys need to be bringing ideas to to
what you want to see with this money,
[1:07:43] but then you feel like your hands are
tied because we already spent the money.
[1:07:46] So, I mean, but we have next year. He's
saying that he he's just saying that
[1:07:51] like we spend a lot of time trying
trying to comply with the law and the
[1:07:55] regulations and the whole situation and
it feels like when you're approving
[1:07:59] things afterwards you're not really on
top of that. I think that's the main
[1:08:03] thing point that you're making. But I I
I don't I think we have bigger fish to
[1:08:08] fry honestly.
Um, I mean I agree with you, but I just
[1:08:13] think like really
I mean in your 10 priorities nine 10
[1:08:21] whatever 10 you know you've got two that
really relate to economic development
[1:08:26] and if you if there's going to be money
spent and we have staff and we're doing
[1:08:31] things that are aimed at winning in
economic development and moving the
[1:08:37] needle and actually improving
wages and all of the many challenges
[1:08:42] that our community has. That is a very
heavy lift and a very big deal. And
[1:08:47] government, it's free market society. So
government has very few levers to pull.
[1:08:52] And when they do pull those levers, they
need to be really careful about
[1:08:56] unintended consequences and you know,
are we doing the right thing and all of
[1:09:01] these things. And so like I just feel
like that that work of
[1:09:08] for example the orthopedic center or
just as one of the ideas that's out
[1:09:14] there, you know, if that is going to be
something we use our $40,000 to get a
[1:09:18] grant for to try to plan for or
something or the golf course or any of
[1:09:22] the projects that have been brought up
that are aimed at improving economic
[1:09:27] development. I think that there's
there's a lot out there and there are a
[1:09:32] lot of communities doing really
effective work in this space and we
[1:09:37] should be looking to see what they are
and understanding them and figuring out
[1:09:40] the ones that might work for us. We
don't have to reinvent the wheel every
[1:09:44] time. But either way, we we just like we
do have kids going to school hungry in
[1:09:50] Grin County. We do have people sticking
in their cars. We do have a big service
[1:09:53] industry that's not getting paid enough.
We have um you know we have these
[1:09:59] challenges and how so if we if this
board is ever going to have the
[1:10:05] opportunity or get to work on really
moving the needle on those challenges
[1:10:10] what what does that look like and right
now we aren't
[1:10:13] » what it looks like is there is there
being pathways for a consultation right
[1:10:18] I mean looks like an advisory board
being an advisory board
[1:10:22] » right but we aren't in that space right
now this commission's made it very clear
[1:10:25] to us that we are not in that space. And
so I just think we got to carry on and
[1:10:30] think about it. I mean there there's a I
I applaud your um priorities and I think
[1:10:37] they're great. Now how do we you know
put the meat on the bones? And so um and
[1:10:44] I think there's so many communities
around the west trying to be us trying
[1:10:49] to get some of the money that we get
that comes to us. They want our
[1:10:54] customers and so what do we do about
that? Do how do we maintain our market
[1:10:59] share? Diversify if we can in a real
meaningful way which which of these
[1:11:04] diversification ideas are actually going
to move the needle as opposed to be sort
[1:11:08] of a wrong turn that we look back and go
well that didn't work. Like we don't
[1:11:12] want that. We want to do things that are
going to matter. So,
[1:11:17] um those are the bigger issues that like
I was in, uh the press the other day and
[1:11:25] um I was talking to someone and they
mentioned a union for guides and I was
[1:11:30] like, "Wow, not even sure that's going
to work." And someone started screaming
[1:11:33] at me. I mean, like things are rough out
there to talk about like what does that
[1:11:39] mean? like this is and we ended up
having a great conversation about it,
[1:11:43] but like
>> it looks like it's
[1:11:44] » there's a lot to there's a lot that we
can fix and our committee is trying to
[1:11:48] find a way to be useful and positive and
productive and help achieve your goals.
[1:11:53] » Okay. So, anyone else want to jump in on
this? I'm fine leaving it if we just
[1:11:58] want to move on to another topic, but
we haven't heard from folks around the
[1:12:04] table.
[1:12:08] Okay. I I guess the you know Melody's
kind of talking about like yeah we will
[1:12:14] fund it through normal budget next year
and obviously you guys think it's
[1:12:18] important so put money towards it put
important so I don't know just hearing
[1:12:24] kind of Melody's feedback sounds like
we're kind of moving in that direction.
[1:12:29] I don't know if do you want do you feel
like other commissioners need to hear
[1:12:33] our our echoes of that sentiment like be
like oh yeah put this in the budget it's
[1:12:39] important guys you know
>> I think that you guys can do whatever
[1:12:42] you want I think if you want to write a
letter to the commission on behalf of
[1:12:47] the board I think that's a I think it's
good because like you said I'm the one
[1:12:51] that that hears you I mean I can take
those concerns back to the commissioners
[1:12:55] but it's different when it comes from
from you than me you know and I don't
[1:13:01] I have a pretty good poll of what's
going on with the commissioners. I think
[1:13:05] that they all value economic development
as well. So, I don't think that we're
[1:13:08] going to have I think that when we look
at a budget and and if we have
[1:13:11] shortfalls for next year, it's going to
be rough budgeting season. I'm not going
[1:13:13] to say it's going to be rough budgeting
season again. Like we have a we've had
[1:13:18] four years of downturn economy and we
didn't slow down our spending. So, we
[1:13:22] our expenditures of the county were up
and our revenues were down and so we're
[1:13:27] still at that level. we've come up a
little bit, but it's not like that much.
[1:13:30] So, so definitely looking at balancing
the staff and stuff is is challenging.
[1:13:35] It's super challenging and and what are
our priorities? My priorities are
[1:13:39] definitely economic development. I mean,
in every one of my boards, like I look
[1:13:42] at like every I'm doing economic
development in all of the boards I'm in,
[1:13:46] not just the economic development board,
you know, and so it's obviously a huge
[1:13:50] priority to me and and hopefully to the
other commissioners, you know, and I
[1:13:54] know I'm going to have push back because
increase I already have push back on
[1:13:58] increase of taxes for the healthcare
tax, but that's going to create things
[1:14:01] that we need in our economy for our
seniors, you know, and the same as as a
[1:14:06] public safety comp or the county
complex, you know, it's going to it but
[1:14:09] it, you know, takes revenue.
>> Well, that that's the point is that if
[1:14:13] if we come up with economic development
spends, we're going to spend taxpayer
[1:14:17] money on economic development and that
thing and and the project, whatever it
[1:14:22] is, is broadly supported by a diverse
group of citizens who are have some
[1:14:26] expertise on it. That's helping you and
that's how it's supposed to work.
[1:14:31] » Yeah. And so that's why I think you know
I my hope is that in future this role
[1:14:38] this committee could expand and we could
be more helpful on actually delivering
[1:14:42] on these on these priorities. I mean it
takes a lot of people to move the
[1:14:47] needle. Yeah. And that's why I I mean
that's why I'm sharing these things with
[1:14:50] you because
>> you know you can't just work in this
[1:14:53] group I think and that's what I saw in
the beginning when I first came. It's
[1:14:56] like you kind of work within this group
when there's a lot of other groups doing
[1:14:59] things, you know, like that all how do
we bring all of those groups together in
[1:15:02] the community? The airport, because yes,
we have the airport that's doing
[1:15:05] economic development. We have the car,
you know, this group and this group, all
[1:15:09] these different economic pieces that are
working together. So, it's not just like
[1:15:12] only this specific board.
>> Sure.
[1:15:15] » That's something
could be doing. There's a lot of ways to
[1:15:19] to build the coordination and input and
have open stakeholder meetings where
[1:15:24] people get to, you know, talk about
ideas and, you know, some of them get
[1:15:30] like, well, that's not realistic and
some are good. I mean there's a lot of
[1:15:33] ways to do it and um
[1:15:38] » anyway we just are you looking for Chris
like hey we recommend in the next
[1:15:43] budgeting season try to budget
>> like do we want to approve something
[1:15:47] like that or
>> I mean it's a we well we don't need to
[1:15:50] do anything more than what we've done
what we've done we checked the box that
[1:15:54] we needed to check um yeah it's more if
this board wants to
[1:15:59] » create a statement that they're offering
to the commission I I kind of would like
[1:16:03] that, you know, kind of gives Malady
like little
[1:16:06] » You mean one on this second topic which
is which is really reasonable which is
[1:16:12] » that economic development
that RCG should be used for I don't know
[1:16:18] how you say it basically that the the
county should fund economic development
[1:16:22] » an economic development office. Uh,
>> yeah. I don't know.
[1:16:27] » I mean, I guess I'd move to do that.
>> The county should
[1:16:31] » Yeah. Do we move to make a letter?
>> So, you guys don't have that as an
[1:16:35] action item on anything right now, but
you could put it on for next. I It's
[1:16:38] kind of a discussion right now. And then
you could put it on so we all those
[1:16:41] thoughts come for next meeting with just
a you know, to approve a letter
[1:16:45] » and maybe Chris could have been share it
with all of you board members in a
[1:16:49] Google doc and you guys could not have
to spend hours talking about it. have,
[1:16:53] you know, sign on and vote on or
whatever, you know, at next meeting
[1:16:56] because we won't start our budget season
until um we got a couple more months
[1:17:01] until we're going to really get into
budget season. So, it's not something
[1:17:03] that you need to do today.
>> The advisory boards were is that
[1:17:05] correct? Have they started?
>> Um our budget
[1:17:09] » board, but whatever.
>> No. So, they we had our budget a budget
[1:17:12] advisory board scheduled for this week.
It got cancelled. Okay. And so, I mean,
[1:17:16] we just for sort of beginning of the
project.
[1:17:19] » Yeah. And so, we're looking at like mid
August now. I just got an email about
[1:17:22] that. So, mid August is a budget
advisory board. I mean, there's an open
[1:17:25] position on that, too. Just FYI, there's
an open position on budget for um a
[1:17:30] citizen. So, I don't know if those you
can go online and and sign up for those
[1:17:35] that I think that's what our order of
business will be in that August is
[1:17:39] picking those two um empty spots and
then just kind of over overarching um
[1:17:45] stuff and then it will start doing
individual departments.
[1:17:49] » Sure.
Uh, okay. Well, if that case, it'll be
[1:17:52] up to Britney to I mean, we can pass on
some information from this meeting to
[1:17:57] Britney. It'll be up to her over whether
that shows up on the agenda next time.
[1:18:00] Uh, presuming that she'll be here during
the meeting. Uh, okay. So, we skipped
[1:18:08] over any presentation from Melissa. Is
there other anything else that you
[1:18:13] wanted to present on?
just the information for the other
[1:18:18] projects and that the August 18th
meeting would probably be a really great
[1:18:22] meeting to come to that workshop.
>> Um and then yeah, Melody shared with us
[1:18:29] to everybody's email I think.
>> Yeah, I had the priority statement so
[1:18:32] you guys awesome.
>> Got it. And um
[1:18:35] » and really yeah, just really good thing
for the county to have. I really
[1:18:41] appreciate that. Um it does help provide
us with context for where we could be
[1:18:46] useful.
>> Yeah, I think it provides everyone with
[1:18:48] I mean it even keeps us on track, you
know, I think that we just everyone in
[1:18:53] every meeting tends to sway if we don't
have like priorities to to move along,
[1:18:58] you know, and to and and to check back.
And that's something that like Melissa
[1:19:01] with the dashboards, you know, as we as
we say, you know, what do we want to
[1:19:05] accomplish with these goals? She's a
she'll be able to put them. So if you
[1:19:08] look at like Salt Lake City has a
dashboard that say these are our goals
[1:19:11] and then they're like red, yellow,
green, you know, how well are we doing
[1:19:14] to our goals and so the community can
see
[1:19:16] » like
>> Yeah. Right. Yeah. Like the housing task
[1:19:20] force dashboard. So I think those are
important and there's if there's simple
[1:19:23] visuals for our community to see that
yes, we have goals
[1:19:26] » and are we accomplishing those those
goals, you know, and that's and that's
[1:19:30] really important to me. So
>> uh okay. Well, let's, you know, that can
[1:19:36] be if there's people I see you digest it
if we have questions. Maybe we can chat
[1:19:40] with you again at the next uh
>> Yeah. Or anytime. I mean, you can call
[1:19:43] me or email me anytime. [laughter] You
don't have to wait till these meetings.
[1:19:46] » Yeah. I mean,
>> it
[1:19:49] um with that.
>> Oh, we have to I move that we approve
[1:19:53] the minutes from the last meeting.
>> Oh, thanks.
[1:19:56] » Great. Uh okay. Anyone want to second
the motion to approve the minutes from
[1:20:00] last meeting?
>> Aaron Aaron seconds it. Uh any
[1:20:04] discussion?
Okay. All in favor of approving minutes
[1:20:08] from the previous meeting. I unanimous.
So those have been approved. Thank you,
[1:20:12] Ashley.
>> No problem.
[1:20:13] » And we adjourn.
>> Okay. And I will make sure that I let
[1:20:16] you all know when that um what time that
meeting is when when I know it because
[1:20:20] we will not we will have our meeting
this meeting after that meeting which
[1:20:24] will be good. We can talk about it.
>> Perfect. So people think about
[1:20:26] especially because that'll be different
to think fun. I mean that there's so
[1:20:29] many different ways to fund things. It's
crazy.
[1:20:33] Oh
>> yeah.
[1:20:38] » Yeah, that'll be interesting.