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[0:07] Good evening.
[0:10] Before I call the meeting to order, I want to announce that some commissioner, staff, and the public are attending remotely via Zoom, by phone, or onsite. All participants joining by phones should mute their phones when not speaking to avoid background noise. During the meeting, please make sure you announce yourself by name and title every time you speak. So the public that is observing knows
[0:36] who is speaking. Please be sure you speak directly into a microphone so that the public
[0:42] can hear your comments and an accurate record of the meeting is made. This is critical given
[0:48] the number of remote participants and is current guidance from the Kansas Attorney General.
[0:55] If public comments are allowed on an agenda item, comments should be limited to the topic of that
[1:01] item. For the Commission rules of procedure, comments should not include any rude or derogatory
[1:08] remarks, reflections as to integrity, abusive comments, and statements as to motives and
[1:16] personalities. I will now call this meeting of the Board of Commissioners for Thursday, September
[1:23] December 3, 2026 to order.
[1:27] With the clerk, please call the roll.
[1:30] Roll call, Ramirez.
[1:33] Aye.
[1:34] Bill.
[1:35] Joseph.
[1:36] Pacheco.
[1:37] Here.
[1:38] Lopez.
[1:39] Here.
[1:40] Stites.
[1:41] Here.
[1:43] Davis.
[1:44] Here.
[1:44] Biden.
[1:45] Here.
[1:46] Come.
[1:46] Howard.
[1:48] Present.
[1:49] Burns.
[1:50] Here.
[1:50] Watson.
[1:51] Here.
[1:53] The invocation is being given by Chaplain Daniel Freeman from the new beginning Missionary Baptist Church.
[2:03] I would ask everyone to please stand and remain standing after the invocation for the pledge of allegiance.
[2:14] Let us pray.
[2:16] Grace has got our Father. We are so honored and thankful for this day, for this opportunity to share one with another Lord.
[2:23] We thank you for your sovereignty.
[2:24] We thank you for your grace and for your mercy.
[2:27] We thank you for the mayor, the commissioners, the city.
[2:30] Employees, Lord, we ask your bless and support each and every one of us.
[2:33] Lord, we ask your bless and support on our first responders.
[2:36] Our health care workers, our law enforcement officers, please, Lord,
[2:39] do not forget our soldiers.
[2:41] So Lord, as we convene in this meeting, Lord,
[2:43] we pray that it will be done decently in order that you will get the glory
[2:47] for the sake of this community and for one another.
[2:49] We ask these blessings in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit in Jesus name. We pray amen I pledge allegiance to the black
[3:01] United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands one nation under God
[3:09] Indivisible with liberty and justice for all
[3:14] Chaplain Freeman. Thank you so much. It's so good to see you sir in my best to the family
[3:20] I
[3:23] will now ask the clerk if there are any revisions to tonight's agenda.
[3:29] Yes, Mayor.
[3:30] Two revisions have been published.
[3:32] The first revision added a resolution extending the emergency declaration to the Administrator's
[3:38] agenda and added information to the budget item under the Administrator's agenda.
[3:44] The second revision changed the order of the agenda and added two executive sessions to the agenda this evening.
[3:50] Those are all the revisions, Mayor.
[3:53] Thank you, Clerk.
[3:55] All right, we'll now move on to our announcements.
[3:58] Patriot Day is 9-11.
[4:01] We will never forget.
[4:04] Please join us next Friday on September 11th.
[4:08] The Kansas City Kansas Fire Department,
[4:10] Wyandotte County Sheriff's Office,
[4:11] and the KCK Police Department,
[4:13] along with unified government officials
[4:16] will honor Patriot Day on Friday, September 11th,
[4:20] 2026 with a brief ceremony commemorating the 25th anniversary of the September 11th, 2001
[4:29] terrorist attacks. The ceremony will begin at 8.50 a.m. in front of Memorial Hall and will
[4:36] provide an opportunity for community members, elected officials, employees, first responders
[4:43] and others to gather and remembrance of the nearly 3,000 people who lost their
[4:50] lives and to recognize the courage and sacrifice demonstrated by first responders,
[4:57] military personnel, and countless Americans in the days and years that follow.
[5:03] The 25th anniversary is a significant milestone and a solemn reminder of the
[5:09] importance of remembering those who were lost, honoring those who served, and reflecting
[5:16] on the resilience and unity of communities across the nation.
[5:23] 913 day is celebrated annually on September 13th. It is a celebration of all things great
[5:33] in wine.county created in 2020 911 three-day celebrates the pride people culture
[5:40] businesses neighborhoods and community spirit that make our community unique.
[5:45] It's a great opportunity to get out to connect with community support local
[5:50] businesses and just enjoy all that wine.county has to offer. There will be events,
[5:56] promotions and family fun that will be happening across the county.
[6:00] Now, leading up to 9-1-3-day, September 7th through the 13th, don't miss the inaugural
[6:07] Black Restaurant Week featuring $9.13 since specials at participating local restaurants,
[6:17] including Wilson's Pizza and Grill, Q13 Sports Bar and Grill, Johns Java and Jazz, and
[6:26] holy smoke barbecue. Come celebrate the dot. Grab a bike, go shopping, attend a
[6:34] community event, and show your local pride while supporting the businesses and
[6:38] people who make YDAC County special. Recently, the mayor's office received
[6:45] communication from a frequent attendee of commission meetings. So much
[6:49] negativity has been talked about lately that I wanted to share this email with
[6:55] you and to the commission in front of the public.
[7:00] And this email reads, hello mayor and commissioners, I know it's been a rough few weeks with
[7:06] the storms and some crazy meetings.
[7:09] I also know that you hear a lot of what is wrong out there and have to absorb a lot of
[7:13] strong emotions from the community, much of which stems from information or narratives
[7:18] that aren't necessarily true.
[7:20] I wanted to reach out and counter that with some long overdue praise if I may.
[7:25] I am always so impressed with each of you, the way you tirelessly see tirelessly serve
[7:31] the community, well maybe we're all a little tired this week.
[7:35] But act professionally, even when your constituents don't, and truly go the extra mile to make
[7:41] why not county a better place, as far as need to do more in my little patch of the county.
[7:46] a lot of people always tell me that they could never do my job but I always say
[7:52] that I could never do your job. You all are incredible and I am truly grateful
[7:58] for all that you do. I know that even in saying this I am probably missing the
[8:03] many things you do behind the scenes that people don't know about and for that I
[8:08] thank you as well. I wish people could walk a mile in your shoes before they
[8:12] criticize you, seek to understand before they judge and stand shoulder to shoulder with
[8:18] you to tackle the challenges rather than take a combative stance.
[8:23] I just wanted to reach out and let you know that I am cheering you on each and every day.
[8:28] You're always in my prayers and if there is ever anything I can do to help or serve, please
[8:35] let me know.
[8:37] You are some of my favorite heroes of Wyndt. County.
[8:40] Kind regards, Annie Erickson, KCK Police Department Chaplain.
[8:47] Thank you Chaplain Erickson.
[8:50] I appreciate your heart and I appreciate the kind words that you have shown towards the mayor and towards the commissioners.
[8:57] And thank you for also reminding each of us that we are stronger together.
[9:02] Thank you again. Let's give Miss Annie a little round of a pause word.
[9:07] Just showing us some love.
[9:08] All right.
[9:12] We will now move to the land bank consent agenda. I will entertain a motion to adjourn as the board of commissioners and call us back to order as the land bank of trustees.
[9:22] Howard so moved. Davis second. All right. It's been moved by Howard and second by Davis.
[9:28] Yes, Roca, please.
[9:29] Roca, Ramirez.
[9:31] Aye.
[9:31] Phil.
[9:32] Aye.
[9:32] Pacheco.
[9:33] Aye.
[9:34] Lopez.
[9:35] Aye.
[9:35] Stites.
[9:36] Aye.
[9:36] Davis.
[9:37] Aye.
[9:38] Biden.
[9:38] Aye.
[9:39] Cump.
[9:40] Aye.
[9:40] Howard.
[9:41] Aye.
[9:42] Burns.
[9:42] Aye.
[9:43] The vote is 10-0, the motion carries.
[9:45] Thank you, commissioners and clerk.
[9:47] All right.
[9:48] We'll now move on to the land bank board of trustees consent agenda.
[9:52] Does any member of the commission or a county administrator wish to set aside any item on
[9:56] from the land bank consent agenda.
[9:59] Move to approve all items of Smith and David's second.
[10:02] All right, it's been moved by Ramirez and second by Davis.
[10:05] Roll call, please.
[10:06] Roll call, Ramirez.
[10:07] Aye.
[10:08] Hill.
[10:09] Aye.
[10:09] A checko.
[10:10] Aye.
[10:10] Low pass.
[10:12] Aye.
[10:13] Stites.
[10:14] Aye.
[10:14] Davis.
[10:15] Aye.
[10:16] Biden.
[10:16] Aye.
[10:17] Cump.
[10:17] Aye.
[10:18] Howard.
[10:19] Aye.
[10:20] Burns.
[10:20] Aye.
[10:20] The vote is 10-0, the motion carries.
[10:23] Thank you, commissioners and clerk.
[10:25] I will now entertain a motion to adjourn
[10:27] as the Lamb Bank Board of Trustees
[10:29] and calls back to order as the Board of Commissioners.
[10:32] Howard, so moved.
[10:34] Second, Ramirez.
[10:35] All right, it's been moved by Howard
[10:36] and second by Ramirez.
[10:38] Roll call, please.
[10:39] Roll call, Ramirez.
[10:41] Aye.
[10:41] Hill.
[10:42] Aye.
[10:42] Macheko.
[10:43] Aye.
[10:44] Lopez.
[10:45] Aye.
[10:45] Stites.
[10:46] Aye.
[10:46] Davis.
[10:47] Aye.
[10:48] Bynam.
[10:48] Aye.
[10:49] Come.
[10:50] Aye.
[10:50] Howard.
[10:51] Aye.
[10:52] Burns.
[10:52] Aye.
[10:53] The vote is 10-0.
[10:54] The motion carries.
[10:55] Thank you, clerk and commissioners.
[10:57] We will now move to the mayor's agenda.
[11:00] We have one item scheduled.
[11:03] The first item is number 7.1.
[11:06] Is adoption of a resolution amending the commission meetings.
[11:10] I will ask our legal staff to present the item.
[11:16] Good evening, Madam Mayor and the commission.
[11:18] Good evening.
[11:19] Mike Farley with Eugene Legal.
[11:21] I'm bringing forward tonight an amended resolution to the current Board of Commissioners schedule for 2026, 2027.
[11:31] The reason I'm bringing this forward is to have the commission designate October 1st as a meeting in which planning and zoning agenda matters can be heard.
[11:41] The reason for this is because the current PNZ meeting scheduled on September 24th, which
[11:48] would be the meeting for the September cases, is too close in time to the City Planning
[11:54] Commission meeting for some cases.
[11:57] So under state law, changes of zone, and then case laws also said that special use permits
[12:02] are eligible for a protest petition.
[12:05] Citizens have up to 14 days to file that protest petition, so we would need at least 14 days
[12:10] between the end of the planning commission meeting in which a recommendation is made and then
[12:15] those 14-day deadline and hopefully a few more days for processing after that. So again, September 24th
[12:22] is just going to be too soon for those meetings and I've looked up and there's nearly going to be a
[12:26] dozen changes of zone and special use permits that could potentially be coming forward. They would
[12:31] have to be held over anyways to follow state law and instead of going all the way to the October 29th
[12:36] meeting. I'm proposing an amendment so that October 1st can also hear planning and zoning
[12:41] items as well. Additionally, a little sign note I am, I did also make an amendment so that
[12:48] the September 24th PNZ meeting can also be designated as a regular Board of Commissioners
[12:54] meeting as well. However, the mayor holds the authority to move agenda items there, so I will
[13:00] leave that up to her to do that. But it is formalized in case we want to go that route.
[13:05] Thank you. All right. The commissioners have any questions, comments? Hearing none, I need a motion.
[13:16] Davis moves to approve. Okay, it's been moved by Davis and second by Hill. Roll call, please. Roll call.
[13:26] So, Vermeeris?
[13:28] Aye.
[13:29] Gil?
[13:30] Aye.
[13:30] Cheko?
[13:31] Aye.
[13:31] Yokez?
[13:32] Aye.
[13:33] Stites?
[13:34] Aye.
[13:34] Davis?
[13:35] Aye.
[13:35] Lynaum?
[13:36] Aye.
[13:36] Comp?
[13:37] Aye.
[13:37] Howard?
[13:38] Aye.
[13:39] Burns?
[13:39] Aye.
[13:40] Notice, 10 to 0, motion carries.
[13:43] All right.
[13:44] We do not have any public hearing agendas this evening, so we'll now move to item number 9.0.
[13:51] All right?
[13:55] I'm really good regular consent agenda.
[13:57] the item number eight dot one.
[14:03] Residant. All right, that takes us a regular consent agenda.
[14:06] Does any member have or commissioner account administrator
[14:09] with the set aside any items on the regular consent agenda?
[14:13] Here and not I need a motion to for approval of the regular
[14:18] consent agenda.
[14:20] Move to approve. Second.
[14:22] All right, it's been moved by Ramirez and second by
[14:25] Aye.
[14:27] Burns, roll call, please.
[14:29] Roll call, Ramirez.
[14:30] Aye.
[14:31] Hill.
[14:31] Aye.
[14:32] Kacheco.
[14:32] Aye.
[14:33] Lopez.
[14:34] Aye.
[14:35] Stites.
[14:36] Aye.
[14:37] Davis.
[14:37] Aye.
[14:38] Bynum.
[14:38] Aye.
[14:39] Cump.
[14:39] Aye.
[14:40] Howard.
[14:41] Aye.
[14:41] Burns.
[14:42] Aye.
[14:42] Photos 10-0, motion carries.
[14:44] Okay.
[14:45] Moving on.
[14:46] No public hearing agenda.
[14:47] Go to.
[14:49] Item.
[14:50] We do. We have one item schedule. We do. Schmidt. Thank you.
[15:05] Item number 9.1 is scheduled to receive public comments regarding renewal of the self-supporting municipal improvement district. I will ask Mr. Jeff Conway from the legal counsel to introduce the item.
[15:20] Mary commissioners, Jeff Conway legal and I'll be I'll be painfully brief. There's a lot of things to get through, but I think I can do it pretty quickly. I want to do a brief overview of the statute.
[15:37] to set up the SMID, if the locality wants to adopt the SMID, there's a process to do that.
[15:46] The first iteration of that was an eight-year plan.
[15:50] Then that was renewed as a 10-year plan. That's the one we're in right now.
[15:54] And so then the idea, that'll expire December 31st of this year.
[16:00] So then the idea is to set up another possible 10 years, and we're working through that process.
[16:05] And I've got a single slide, not ten slides, but just one that I'd like to pull up on the screen that shows the process.
[16:13] The statute is very rigid as far as how to step through this process.
[16:19] So you see in June 4th, the Smith Board, advisory board recommended renewal for the ten years.
[16:25] That put in motion the hearing dates.
[16:29] So it went to EDNF and then it went to full commission.
[16:32] and then the adoption of the resolution that set the hearing date, which would be September 3rd tonight.
[16:39] That had to be published three times, of course, by statute.
[16:44] The City Planning Commission had to hear the item and deem that it was consistent with the master plan, so that's happened already.
[16:51] The resolution had to be sent out to all property owners.
[16:54] and this is the odd thing.
[16:56] It's sent out to all property owners,
[16:58] but eventually only the commercial property owners
[17:02] in the district will be the ones that will be taxed.
[17:04] For some reason, the statute says it goes out.
[17:07] The notice needs to go out to all property owners.
[17:12] So in case you had some comments about that,
[17:15] it'll just be the commercial folks
[17:16] that'll be taxed within the district.
[17:20] So that's the September 3rd is the public hearing.
[17:23] and then by statute there must be a 30-day layover before it can be acted upon so we've got it scheduled for adoption of the ordinance on October 15th.
[17:35] So you'll see it one more time. I don't think it was any need to go to standing committee for that.
[17:42] It can just, this is the multiple times that you've seen it so it'll be set up and passed on October 15th and then that should be the end of the process.
[17:52] So, as you can see, you know, it started in spring, and now we'll be adopting in the fall,
[18:00] but this is the required public hearing on reestablishment of the smid, smid, smid.
[18:08] So, I wanted to just touch on a few things.
[18:11] The smid statutes is a cluster of statutes.
[18:17] The main one is KSA 12-1796 is the process that we're in right now, and it lays it out, all those steps.
[18:27] But there's other statutes that come into play.
[18:29] There's a definition section, there's multiple, there's a possibility of issuing bonds.
[18:36] That hasn't been done, but it provides the opportunity to do that.
[18:40] It talks about the purpose of the smid mainly to help with improvements or services within the smid district.
[18:50] And I just wanted to point out improvements, could be sanitary storm sewers, drainage conduits, street grading, et cetera.
[18:59] So there's a list of those, and then the services, I will read those because that does come into play with what's currently with the smid.
[19:09] The services, this is the state definition, means one, the provision of special or additional services such as sanitation, the security of persons and property, and the care and maintenance of public facilities, including sidewalks and other public areas, to the financial support of public transportation service and publicly owned parking facilities, including the operation and maintenance of parking facilities.
[19:31] three of the development plans and programs for the future development of the district for the development promotion and supportive community events and activities open to the general public and five any other service, which the city is authorized perform and which the city doesn't not also perform in this to the same extent on a city wide basis, so it's kind of specialized for that area.
[19:54] So the statute lays out how to do this each time that there's any change or offering of a new improvement or service, you have to step through the process, have a public hearing and adopt that new improvement or service.
[20:20] There's also, if there's opposition, it provides for that.
[20:24] So during the process, if 40% or more of the owners sign a petition and they can take
[20:31] it off of the matter off of the agenda, as a matter of fact, there could be, the commission
[20:39] could propose to dissolve it then yourself, but then if there's a petition of 51% of the
[20:47] owners, then that could stay that matter.
[20:50] So there's all kinds of checks and balances throughout the system.
[20:59] This creation of the advisory board, which is the board that you probably talk about is
[21:04] Smith.
[21:05] So they meet periodically.
[21:07] They decide the priorities for the district, what's the best use of these monies.
[21:12] And their advisory, they bring it back.
[21:14] The governing board for the Smith is you.
[21:16] So you get the final say as to how to put your imprint on this district.
[21:25] They're proposing the district is going to stay the same, the same size, the same boundaries as has been the last 10 years.
[21:36] I think that's most of the highlights that I wanted to touch.
[21:44] Yeah, and if there's any questions, I'd be happy to answer any questions.
[21:49] I also would like to introduce Edwin Birch, who's the chair of the SMID.
[21:54] He's here tonight and Don Ratan, who's the executive director of the downtown shareholders.
[21:59] And I think I may have mentioned this before, but there is a little bit of confusion.
[22:04] The SMID is the taxing entity that is created.
[22:07] So, as you know, taxes that is not voluntary, you have to pay the taxes, but it's called the self-supported municipal improvement district, so that basically means they vote the entities within the district get to vote whether to add that extra tax on to them for those services within the district.
[22:28] And so the downtown shareholders is a voluntary group that's similar to a Chamber of Commerce.
[22:37] That's focused on actions in the downtown area.
[22:42] Like I said, it's voluntary. You can choose to join or not or whatever. It's kind of a booster group.
[22:47] It's a group that looks at what's best for the downtown, could focus on marketing,
[22:53] could focus on a lot of things. As you can probably guess, the Venn diagram of the smid and the
[22:59] downtown shareholders has a little bit of overlap. The priorities might be shared in some places,
[23:05] but the two groups have two entirely different purposes. And so the one is essentially raising the funds
[23:14] and deciding what's the best use of the public dollars and the other one is trying to figure out
[23:20] what's the best way, what's the future,
[23:22] what's the vision of the downtown.
[23:24] And they oftentimes work together in the statute
[23:29] allows the smid because there's no staff for anything.
[23:33] They can put out an RFP as to who couldn't serve
[23:36] as their agent and to do the accounting
[23:40] and the housekeeping that needs to be done.
[23:44] And they did that and they chose downtown shareholders
[23:47] was the entity chosen.
[23:48] So they work in conjunction, but they're not the same thing.
[23:53] There are a few people that serve on both boards, but by and
[23:58] large, they are separate entities.
[24:01] They're here tonight to work in tandem and
[24:04] to present kind of the vision for the next 10 years.
[24:10] So I'll turn that over to those folks now.
[24:24] Mayor CEO, Christopher Watson.
[24:29] I am here to ask for your support for the 10-year renewal of the downtown self-supported municipal improvement district, as mentioned before, as known as a smith.
[24:49] I want to begin with a simple message.
[24:52] we cannot give up on downtown KCK. Yes, downtown still faces significant
[25:02] redevelopment challenges. We know there are vacant buildings, properties that
[25:08] need investment, and other challenges that we cannot solve overnight. But we
[25:15] also have something that's very important here and that's opportunity. We are
[25:22] are seeing signs of renewed investment in interest, the redevelopment of the former
[25:26] abandoned UNB bank building, the purchase of the brotherhood building by a new owner,
[25:32] and the future development of a new library.
[25:35] These are all examples just a few of what is possible.
[25:41] These investments matter because momentum creates opportunity.
[25:46] A strong, vibrant downtown is essential to sustaining that momentum and attracting even more investment.
[25:57] That is where the downtown shareholders and the SMID play an important role.
[26:03] The SMID supports the foundation of a healthy downtown by creating cleaner, safer, and more welcoming environment where investment can take hold.
[26:13] where people want to spend time and patronize our businesses. Under the
[26:21] leadership of Don Vretan, the executive director of the downtown shareholders,
[26:26] with the commitment from the Schmidt board, we have the leadership and the
[26:30] capacity today to build on the progress you are seeing now.
[26:36] Renewing the Schmidt for another 10 years gives us the ability to continue
[26:40] that work, but I also want to be very clear about what the Schmid is and what it is not
[26:47] and just touched on some of that.
[26:50] The Schmid is not responsible for downtown vacancies, delinquent taxes, property investment
[26:57] decisions, code issues, or property ownership decisions.
[27:02] Those are larger challenges that require the collaboration of many of our stakeholders
[27:07] and community partners.
[27:10] What the Schmid can do is help create the conditions for progress
[27:14] and through continued partnership with the unified government,
[27:17] the Board of Public Utilities, the downtown shareholders,
[27:21] downtown property owners, businesses, and the community,
[27:25] we can continue advocating for and investing in the future,
[27:30] potential, the future potential of downtown KCK.
[27:34] so we have a choice here tonight. We can look at these challenges of downtown say
[27:41] there's just too much. Push it to the side. Or we can look at the progress that
[27:48] is beginning to emerge and decide that now is the time to keep going.
[27:56] As a
[27:57] resident, I think we have to continue to keep going. I believe downtown KCK is
[28:03] is worth fighting for.
[28:06] I believe the best days of downtown can still be ahead of us.
[28:11] We cannot give up when there is opportunity right in front of us.
[28:16] I respectfully ask the mayor and commissioners
[28:18] to approve the 10-year renewal of the downtown submit
[28:22] and give us the opportunity to continue this work.
[28:27] To build on the momentum that we have now,
[28:29] to attract new investment and to help reignite the potential of downtown KCK.
[28:38] Again, this is not the time to give up on downtown Kansas City, Kansas.
[28:45] I want to thank the Schmidt Board.
[28:47] Many of them are here with me.
[28:49] Do you want to stand up?
[28:53] I want to thank them for their continued commitment,
[29:01] Thank you, Mayor, CEO, Christa Watson, thank you,
[29:06] Unified Government Board of Commissioners, thank you,
[29:08] Allen.
[29:10] Thank you for your consideration tonight,
[29:12] and hopefully for your support.
[29:14] God bless you all.
[29:18] Thank you.
[29:25] Good evening.
[29:27] I'm Don Ratan.
[29:28] I'm the executive director for the downtown shareholders
[29:31] of Kansas City, Kansas City.
[29:33] Thanks for giving us some time to talk about what we're doing in downtown. I'm very excited about it.
[29:40] If you'll pull up the PowerPoint, I'd appreciate that.
[29:46] So as we say, we are setting ourselves up to be clean, safe, activated, growing, strengthening downtown through placemaking, business, business engagement, safety initiatives.
[30:00] And long-term planning. On the next slide. For the Schmid, this is where downtown property owners are investing in their own district. This is funded by property tax assessments and other fines. And you have in your packet a 10-year retrospective of our actuals as well as the mill levies and our budgets. For 2026, for the Advilorum tax,
[30:29] We collected, we are actually on track to get $220,000, but it was budgeted for $233,000.
[30:38] We said that we'd be revenue neutral in 2027.
[30:41] We submitted the budget and it came back from UG that we would get about $177,000.
[30:48] In both of those years, we have been revenue neutral.
[30:51] We also get annual contributions in lieu of tax assessments from the UG, from BPU, and
[30:59] from KU Health Systems.
[31:01] The reason for this is that nonprofits and governmental entities are not subject to
[31:06] this tax.
[31:07] So this is a good neighbor, a good investment since their work and have their business
[31:12] downtown.
[31:13] The UG has several locations.
[31:15] This is their voluntary contribution.
[31:20] The Schmidt has been active since 2008.
[31:23] And as we talked about, our primary focus is cleaning, security, and marketing.
[31:28] It gets renewed every 10 years and DTS manages it.
[31:32] There is an advisory board that each one of you has appointed a member of and we meet
[31:38] on a monthly basis.
[31:40] Again, it is not for residential or nonprofits.
[31:45] You also have a comparison chart in your packet that I gave you as well, but going on to talk
[31:51] about DTS.
[31:52] Now, DTS has, on the next slide, has our boundaries listed above, so downtown is bigger
[32:03] than Schmidt.
[32:04] Schmidt is within downtown.
[32:06] You also have a Schmidt map that's in your packet.
[32:10] DTS was founded in 2005, three years before the Schmidt happened, and our mission is those
[32:16] three bullet points that you see there.
[32:17] Supporting resources, economic growth, development, safe welcoming and historic.
[32:25] So we are the only organization that is singularly focused on downtown's revitalization.
[32:33] And Schmidt is a lever that a catalyst, a service that helps us deliver our mission and
[32:41] our vision.
[32:44] You'll see in your packet later that there is an downtown evolution triangle, which when I've met with many of you one-on-one, we've discussed it.
[32:54] At the bottom of that triangle is similar to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. It has to be clean and safe.
[33:01] So we have to have safety. We have to have cleanliness.
[33:04] and as we retain and attract and take care of the needs of our current businesses,
[33:10] then we attract new businesses, we attract new residents and we become a destination.
[33:15] But the foundation of that is a clean and safe district.
[33:19] On the next slide, as we were talking about safety, Brick said,
[33:26] So the map is here.
[33:28] You'll see where our boundaries are.
[33:31] It's listed there at the bottom.
[33:35] You also have a copy of this map in your packet.
[33:38] On the next slide, it's just a list of all of our board members.
[33:43] On the Schmidt board and the DTS board.
[33:46] All of these people serve voluntarily.
[33:49] They all care about downtown.
[33:51] They give their time, their talent and their treasure
[33:53] to help deliver our mission in various ways.
[33:59] Most of the board on DTS is new.
[34:02] We have been very, very deliberate about having people
[34:05] on our board who are engaged and passionate
[34:09] about downtown's future.
[34:12] Again, no one has money.
[34:14] And then I am one of the employees.
[34:18] I am the sole full-time employee.
[34:20] We have a part-time employee that serves through funds provided by a
[34:28] Kaufman grant, not Schmidt or DTS funds, and that admin is bilingual to help
[34:35] with some of our communication across the district.
[34:40] On the next slide, so just
[34:44] to dive a little bit deeper into the cleaning, it has continued uninterrupted
[34:49] service by Simmons since we started. The list of services they provide is listed below.
[34:57] They work Monday through Saturday and we pay Simmons approximately $9,000 per month
[35:04] and we've just introduced $25,000 into our budget to help with biohazard cleaning as a result
[35:11] of feedback from business owners in the district for biohazard issues that Simmons is not certified
[35:17] to clean. On the next page, for safety, we did transition to using the KCK Police Department.
[35:28] We did a trial from July through December and we went full-time permanent with KCK police officers
[35:36] in January of this year. This shift is a strategic investment in increased accountability,
[35:42] transparency, response coordination, credibility and visibility when we say we mean we want downtown to be safe.
[35:52] We spend about, and it has been impactful, as I talked with business owners, they recognize they see the change and it has been impactful.
[36:01] We spend about $89,000 per year for our dedicated police officer.
[36:08] As we went into this change from our contract security,
[36:14] we actually had planned in our budget for two police officers,
[36:18] and the board will evaluate at the end of this year whether we will pay for two,
[36:24] or stay with one, hopefully before the police bit process comes up.
[36:29] You'll see when we get to results, even in that six month trial, when we made the transition,
[36:35] we had over a hundred arrests made. So it is definitely impactful. On the next page,
[36:43] the board definitely believes in financial stewardship. The renewal, again, has a revenue
[36:51] neutral mill levy for that was this year and for next year, while we're continuing the
[36:56] central downtown services and initiatives. One thing Jeff didn't mention that in our proposed
[37:02] resolution, the previous resolution had a maximum mill levy of 13. Our board decided to reduce our
[37:10] maximum mill levy to 11 in the new resolution. We do get audited annually and we completed our
[37:19] are audited in August, September.
[37:24] On the next page,
[37:28] here's just some of our numbers
[37:29] with cleaning hours, trash bags collected.
[37:33] To date, we have for cleaning 3,230 hours
[37:38] and 670 trash bags collected.
[37:42] You also see some of our security information.
[37:45] The rest I talked about when we did our trial
[37:48] from July through December of last year
[37:50] and then you'll see our revenue for 24 and 25.
[37:54] As I said, our revenue, our budget,
[37:57] was set for $233,000 from just the taxes,
[38:02] and we're tracking at $220 this year.
[38:06] On the next slide.
[38:09] Here's some of our results, and this is both the T.S.
[38:12] and Schmidt results, because we're collaborating.
[38:15] We have gotten $160,000 in grants in 2025,
[38:19] 5 and quite frankly, I try to use funds from grants first before we pull anything from
[38:25] the budget.
[38:27] Another thing is that we again have bilingual capacity through a grant.
[38:34] We did an open space tour where we had 11 vacant buildings downtown.
[38:39] Open their doors to let the community come in and see that could be developers, investors
[38:44] or just those people.
[38:45] And that has resulted in at least two properties being sold and started back up.
[38:55] We have launched a large employer coalition just to make sure we're supporting our downtown
[39:00] businesses and asking them specifically what they need.
[39:04] And then we have asked resources from the UGE to come and talk to those business owners.
[39:12] We've done a SWOT analysis that strengths opportunities.
[39:14] weaknesses and threats just to again continue to get information from the
[39:19] community on what they need. We did recently most recently an opportunity
[39:24] walk with Mayor Watson thank you very much for your time and during that time we
[39:29] walked to 24 properties in over 90 degree heat. Of those properties we talked to
[39:35] four emerging business owners like the people who just bought Brotherhood, Laura at
[39:42] the library talked about her project, Sean and Lori talked about the art studios that
[39:48] are going in at the Tucker building, and then we visited five businesses.
[39:53] We visited Raoul, who owns Federino's, we talked to the general manager at McDonald's,
[39:59] and so it was a nice, comprehensive visit.
[40:01] We also stopped in front of vacant buildings, again, we talked about vacancies, and we had
[40:07] renderings from an architectural student because those were conversation starters and
[40:12] imagine nation generators to say, what could this become?
[40:16] Not a commitment, but just something to get the thoughts
[40:19] and get the brain cells going to say, what could this be?
[40:22] What could we have downtown?
[40:24] We had about 50 people on that walk,
[40:27] had lots of great ideas, lots of great questions,
[40:31] and so just continue to tap into the community.
[40:34] I also recently met with Lieutenant Governor Tollin,
[40:38] who's actually done some work in downtown revitalization,
[40:40] urban as well. And you'll see the information that I discussed with him in your packet that's called roots to revitalization.
[40:50] We did talk a lot about vacancy from a DTS standpoint because vacancies impact so many other things.
[40:57] Vacancies will help safety, they'll help blight, economic development, jobs, entrepreneurship.
[41:05] So it has so many tentacles. Of course, vacancies is one of DTS's most important things to help with. But again, as Edwin said, that is a big group of collaborators helping to make that happen.
[41:20] We're kind of the matchmaker. We can help a new business match up with a business with a building for our opportunity walk. We had three restaurants walk around with us looking for potential sites.
[41:38] On the back of that, if I can divulge for a bit, on the back of the packet I share it
[41:42] with Lieutenant Governor Tollin, you'll see that evolution triangle that I referred to.
[41:48] On the next page, some of our projects that we're working on right now is a redevelopment
[41:56] or a master plan.
[41:58] Every time we've asked for feedback, every time we've gotten in a group, other than saying
[42:03] and what's going on with Reardon Center,
[42:04] someone says we need a master plan for downtown.
[42:07] The last time we did a master plan downtown was 2007.
[42:10] I firmly believe that this is one of our highest priorities.
[42:14] We need to all get together, get on the same page,
[42:18] and have a discussion,
[42:19] so they were all moving in the same direction,
[42:21] coordinated to bring downtown back.
[42:24] I think there are a lot of people
[42:25] and a lot of groups who have great ideas
[42:27] for all of the Northeast,
[42:29] but we kind of work in silos.
[42:31] One of the things that, again, as I met with several of you is one of my themes for
[42:37] my first few months was a radical collaboration.
[42:40] We have to collaborate and get all on the same page in order to come up.
[42:44] We're working on some pop-ups.
[42:47] We're even changing some crosswalks to introduce some cultural elements.
[42:52] We've engaged some youth with internships.
[42:55] We are working on more fund development and marketing the district.
[43:01] I do think that marketing the district is an opportunity area that we could do a little bit better.
[43:08] And so with the Schmidt and BTS board, we've had lots of ideas generated where you see the stars.
[43:15] That is either work that's being done in collaboration with another group.
[43:20] Or that is work that's being funded by a grant.
[43:24] I'm happy to give more detail if you like and if you like more detail you also have
[43:29] our for page action plan in your packet on the next page.
[43:37] We have put out a we put out a business survey this summer and this is what we heard
[43:43] from the survey most continued most support continuing the Schmid businesses recognize
[43:48] positive momentum they like the increased focus on safety but they definitely still have
[43:54] concerns about safety, cleanliness, and the unhoused.
[43:59] The biohazard cleaning has had a positive response,
[44:03] and then what we should focus on in future investments.
[44:07] And then all of the things that would
[44:10] have the biggest impact downtown.
[44:14] So we, again, have one point, something FTEs.
[44:19] So we're always looking for partners in this work.
[44:22] On the next page, if we do all of these,
[44:27] and we meet our mission. This is our ROI.
[44:32] And everybody wants this.
[44:34] We're going to strengthen this to quarter.
[44:36] We're going to make downtown the place to be.
[44:40] People are going to come from chiefs games and want to have a drink in downtown,
[44:43] either coming from or to.
[44:45] And I like to emphasize that downtown is for everyone.
[44:50] Downtowners are ours.
[44:51] It's not just the residents that live down there or the businesses.
[44:54] It's all of ours who live, work and play in Kansas City, Kansas, and we should all want
[45:00] To have that ROI become a reality in the near future. The final couple of pages, it's just a few pictures if they pop up.
[45:12] Just some activities we had in the district spending the day with the firefighters and interns, the opportunity walk.
[45:20] Another thing with another intern meeting commissioners, she's excited talking to local businesses, new murals going up in the business and just a picture with the
[45:31] A few of us disjointed that we're just trying to collaborate and work together to make the
[45:38] district have us come back and revitalize.
[45:41] So we want to go on the last page from forgotten to unforgettable vacancies to vibrance.
[45:47] And on the last page with a clear strategy to maintain momentum, we'll have an impact
[45:54] with the Schmid and downtown KCK makes it come back.
[45:59] Thank you.
[46:02] Thank you.
[46:11] All right.
[46:11] Mr. Conway, do you have anything else that you want to present through the team?
[46:15] If not, I will now open the public hearing and ask the clerk any notifications where
[46:21] we see from the public who wish to express their comments regarding this item.
[46:26] Mayor, we've received five comments at this time.
[46:29] I'll read those with your permission.
[46:31] Please read.
[46:32] Thank you.
[46:33] The first one.
[46:35] From Drew Simpson.
[46:38] Mayor and member of the Unified Government Board of Commissioners, Unified Government
[46:42] and Wine.county.
[46:43] Dear Mayor and Board members of the Board of Commissioners, I'm writing on behalf of
[46:47] Kansas Main Street, a program of the Kansas Department of Commerce to share our perspective
[46:52] on the role that efforts such as the downtown self-supported municipal improvement district
[46:57] complain supporting downtown revitalization.
[47:00] The Kansas Main Street program works with communities across the state using the nationally recognized
[47:04] main street approach, which focuses on four interconnected areas, economic vitality, design,
[47:09] promotion, and organization. At its core, the approach encourages communities to bring together
[47:14] local government, businesses, property owners, organizations, and residents around a shared
[47:19] vision for their downtown. Many of the activities supported through the downtown Smith complement
[47:24] this approach. Efforts related to maintenance, public spaces, way-finding, place-making, promotion,
[47:29] events, and the overall downtown environment can help create a welcoming,
[47:32] district and support broader community revitalization efforts.
[47:36] One of the lessons we see through our work with the Main Street communities across Kansas
[47:40] is that downtown revitalization is a long-term process.
[47:43] It often involves many partners and a combination of public, private, and community resources
[47:47] working together over time.
[47:49] Locally developed tools such as SMIDS are one way communities can support that collaborative
[47:53] approach.
[47:54] We appreciate the work taking place in downtown Kansas City, Kansas, and the commitment of
[47:59] many individuals, businesses, property owners, organizations, and local leaders who are involved
[48:03] in those efforts. Kansas Main Street values the opportunity to work alongside communities as
[48:08] they consider strategies that support strong, active, and welcoming downtown districts.
[48:13] Thank you for your continued commitment to downtown Kansas City, Kansas. We look forward to continuing
[48:19] our partnership and supporting the community's downtown revitalization efforts. Drew Simpson,
[48:24] and staff director Kansas Department of Commerce.
[48:29] Our next comment comes from Randy Lopez, President and CEO, Wine Dot Health Foundation.
[48:34] As a stakeholder and developer in downtown Kansas City, Kansas, the Wine Dot Health Foundation
[48:38] is personally committed to its revitalization and long-term success.
[48:42] We believe downtown KCK has tremendous potential and we have chosen to invest our time, energy
[48:48] and leadership in helping move that vision forward.
[48:50] For that reason, WHO strongly supports renewal of the downtown Kansas City, Kansas, self-supported
[48:57] municipal improvement district.
[48:59] The SMAD is one of the most important tools we have to create the conditions necessary
[49:03] for revitalization.
[49:05] It allows downtown property owners and stakeholders to invest directly in improvements that support
[49:10] safety and security, cleanliness and appearance, vacancy reduction, vibrancy and foot traffic,
[49:16] economic, small business growth, economic impact, shared investment.
[49:21] Revitalization requires consistent investment, partnership and a shared commitment over time.
[49:26] The current SMAID expires December 31, 2026.
[49:29] Losing this dedicated resource would be a significant setback at a time when we are working to build momentum,
[49:35] reduce vacancies, attract investment, and strengthen downtown KCK.
[49:39] As an organization deeply invested in the future of downtown, we respectfully ask you to support renewal of
[49:46] this mid. Thank you for your leadership and your consideration of this important investment in
[49:50] downtown Kansas City, Kansas. Our next comment comes from Scott Coop, President Security Bank of
[49:58] Kansas City. Security Bank of Kansas City is committed to downtown KCK's revitalization and long-term
[50:04] success. For that reason, we strongly support renewal of the downtown Kansas City, Kansas,
[50:09] self-supported municipal improvement district. The SMAID is one of the most important tools we have
[50:14] have to create the conditions necessary for revitalization.
[50:17] It allows downtown property owners and stakeholders to invest directly in improvements
[50:21] that support safety and security, cleanliness and appearance, vacancy reduction, vibrancy
[50:27] and foot traffic, small business growth, economic impact, shared investment.
[50:32] Revitalization does not happen through one project or one organization.
[50:36] It requires consistent investment, partnership, and a shared commitment over time.
[50:40] The current SMIT expires December 31, 2026.
[50:44] Losing this dedicated resource would be a significant setback at a time when we are
[50:48] working to build momentum, reduce vacancies, attract investment, and strengthen downtown
[50:53] KCK.
[50:54] Thank you for your leadership and for consideration of this important investment in downtown
[50:58] Kansas City, Kansas.
[51:01] Next comment is from Renee Hadley, KCK Chamber.
[51:05] On behalf of the Kansas City, Kansas Chamber of Commerce, I'm writing to express our strong
[51:09] support for the renewal of the downtown Kansas City Kansas self-supported municipal improvement
[51:13] district. The KCK Chamber is committed to fostering a thriving business environment throughout
[51:18] our community and we recognize that a vibrant downtown is essential to the economic success
[51:23] and quality of life of Kansas City Kansas. The renewal of the SMID will help ensure continued
[51:28] focus on initiatives that strengthen our downtown business community including enhancing its
[51:33] and safety and security for employees, customers, residents and visitors, maintaining a clean and
[51:39] welcoming environment that encourages investment community pride, supporting small businesses
[51:44] and entrepreneurs by creating a more attractive and accessible business district, increasing
[51:48] foot traffic and activity that benefits local restaurants, retailers, and service providers.
[51:53] Encouraging redevelopment and reducing vacancies through coordinated improvement efforts, leveraging
[51:58] private and public investments to create a long-term economic growth and opportunity.
[52:03] As a chamber, we understand that sustainable economic development happens through collaboration.
[52:07] The SMID provides a valuable framework for that collaboration and helps align resources
[52:12] to achieve meaningful results for downtown KCK.
[52:16] CanCity Kansas continues to build momentum and now is not the time to step back from efforts
[52:21] in improving our downtown and make a positive impact for our community.
[52:24] Renewing the SMID will provide continuity, stability, and the resources necessary to support
[52:29] ongoing revitalization in future growth.
[52:32] We respectfully encourage you to support the renewal of the downtown CanCity Kansas SMID
[52:36] and continue investing in the success of our downtown business community.
[52:40] Doing so will help ensure that downtown KCK remains a place where businesses can prosper,
[52:45] residents can gather, and visitors can experience the unique character and energy of our city.
[52:50] Thank you for your leadership and your consideration of this important matter.
[52:54] The last comment I have is from Matt Watkins, Reese Commercial Real Estate.
[52:59] Dear commissioners, on behalf of business owners in the downtown corridor,
[53:02] I write to express support for the renewal of the Smith funding.
[53:05] This letter reflects the will of multiple business owners I represent in the downtown corridor
[53:10] and ancillary spaces associated with the downtown shareholders of which I am a board member.
[53:16] This funding provides critical infrastructure that connects the neighborhood, advances
[53:19] equity, and strengthens economic opportunity for our residents and businesses that call Kansas
[53:25] City Kansas home.
[53:26] As a stakeholder and DTS board member, I am personally committed to downtown KCK's revitalization
[53:31] and long-term success.
[53:33] I believe downtown KCK has tremendous potential and I have chosen to invest my time, energy,
[53:39] and leadership in helping move that vision forward.
[53:42] Among many reasons, I strongly support renewal of the downtown Kansas City Kansas self-supported
[53:46] municipal improvement district.
[53:48] The smith is one of the most important tools we have to create the conditions necessary
[53:52] for revitalization.
[53:54] It allows downtown property owners and stakeholders to invest directly in improvements that support
[53:59] safety and security, cleanliness and appearance, vacancy reduction,
[54:03] vibrancy and foot traffic, small business growth, economic impact,
[54:07] and shared investment. I can personally test to helping drive investment
[54:11] in the downtown corridor through my work with the KCC, KCC foundation,
[54:16] and the new downtown campus. The sale of the Tucker Building,
[54:19] along with the collaboration with Billed Wycoe at 601 North 6th Street.
[54:23] The work of the KCC housing authority will also bring significant investment
[54:27] to this space, and I implore you to support these investments with the renewal of the SMID.
[54:32] These investments, along with new ownership at the Brotherhood Building, will help the
[54:35] momentum of downtown continue to pull new investors to the area.
[54:39] Now is not the time to disinvest in downtown KCK.
[54:43] We need to drive more investment into our downtown, and I'm committed to being a part of that process.
[54:49] The current SMID expires December 31, 2026.
[54:52] Losing this dedicated resource would be a significant setback at a time when we are working to build momentum, reduce vacancies, attract investment, and strengthen downtown KCK.
[55:02] As someone personally invested in the future of downtown, I respectfully ask you to support renewal of this mid.
[55:09] Thank you for your leadership and your consideration of this important investment in downtown Kansas City, Kansas.
[55:15] Mayor, those are all the comments that our office has received.
[55:19] We're those those same ones that were received in the mayor's office?
[55:22] Yes.
[55:23] Okay.
[55:23] Great.
[55:24] Thank you.
[55:26] All right.
[55:27] Are there any clerk individuals here in the chambers who expressed their intention to
[55:32] address the commission on this subject?
[55:35] No one signed up to speak this evening.
[55:37] Is there anyone in here who would like to speak?
[55:43] All right.
[55:46] Well, are there any questions or comments from the commission board?
[55:50] Mr. Bynum.
[55:52] Thank you, Mayor.
[55:54] Couple, I've got a question for legal and then for dawn.
[55:59] Before you do that, I think if there are no other comments from the public, I'll close the public clearing.
[56:05] Mayor, I'd just like to verify we have no one online either.
[56:09] Thank you very much.
[56:10] Now, I really officially close the public hearing.
[56:14] Thank you, Mayor.
[56:14] So Mr. Conway, I just simply can't remember the makeup of this mid advisory board that we make appointments to
[56:27] is the makeup of that board in statute or is it held within the bylaws of the smith itself?
[56:38] The resolution or the ordinance is what lays out the advisory board and how they're appointed.
[56:46] So it's our local ordinance that lays out specifications for who can and possibly who cannot serve.
[56:59] So do you have those handy?
[57:01] I do.
[57:02] to.
[57:17] Sorry, I grabbed the one that was for the public hearing and.
[57:21] It's okay. It can, you can follow up later, even. It's not critical to my decision tonight. I'm just curious.
[57:30] It tracks the current resolution very closely. So I think it's, I don't think any of the requirements were changed.
[57:42] And
[58:03] it tracks the general boards and commissions section of the code as well, as far as who's appointed.
[58:11] Do you got the 11 members, vacancies, filling up appointments, all of those are tracked into the general one?
[58:19] Okay. Right.
[58:22] Thanks. I was curious if there were additional parameters for this specific board.
[58:29] But like I said, that can be follow up at another time, just my own curiosity because I can't remember.
[58:38] At one time, I thought members of that board needed to be property owners within this district.
[58:46] But that sounds like that's not true anymore.
[58:50] I think there was some tie to a business that's located in the-
[58:54] A tie to a business.
[58:56] Not necessarily that property owner.
[58:58] I can confirm that.
[59:00] Okay, thank you.
[59:02] Yes, please.
[59:04] I'm just curious, Dawn.
[59:06] First of all, as you know, I work downtown.
[59:10] My full-time job is downtown.
[59:12] And so I appreciate the activities of this mid,
[59:15] the safety and security.
[59:19] I've worked downtown for a very long time.
[59:21] So I have appreciated these safe and clean activities
[59:26] for quite some time. I just want to clarify, I'm just curious, it's not a commentary.
[59:37] Last year when we changed the security piece to the Kansas City, Kansas Police Department,
[59:45] I thought I remembered that that was going to be an off-duty officer. Is that correct?
[59:53] that? This is their regular shift. We did our trial using an off-duty officer, so...
[1:00:00] From July through December, we did it with an off-duty officer to see how it went and that was our test. We thought the test was successful, so we pay for an officer. So, um, we have him from 12 until 8. 12 to 8 just changed names. We just got a new one. Um, and I can't remember his name. He just started about a month ago. But we have that officer dedicated.
[1:00:29] indicated from 12 to 8 and then we have officer Medina in the morning from her morning shift. I think 7 30 until about 2 and so it actually has increased our coverage in that Simmons was ending their day around 5 so we get 3 additional hours and our board is going to look at also can we stretch that out to get a little bit more nighttime hours or do we get a second police officer so we'll be doing some end of the year evaluation.
[1:00:59] The officer, while they're on duty for the smid, are they in a car, are they on food?
[1:01:09] Both. We actually, the off detective, Captain, I'm sorry I forgot his right, but Steven
[1:01:18] Smith and the officer dedicated two officers come to our monthly meetings every month and
[1:01:25] and they give us a spreadsheet of statistics.
[1:01:29] And so what was your question again?
[1:01:32] Are they all foot?
[1:01:33] Are they in a car?
[1:01:34] So we also get part of their statistics.
[1:01:36] We get their on foot hours and their car hours.
[1:01:39] They also track that.
[1:01:42] And so the apportion of the smid dollars
[1:01:48] are paying for two, one and a half.
[1:01:53] for one officer officer Medina is paid for through city hall I see but the officer in the afternoon we pay for okay, and
[1:02:02] So that's separate from our PD budget. Yeah, like totally separate away
[1:02:07] Okay, all right, that's it. Thank you
[1:02:10] Commissioner come
[1:02:11] Like you may have come to it large. I'll start by saying I'm not against this mid as a voluntarily enter into tax
[1:02:18] It's a lot of controls around
[1:02:20] and create an attack on commercial properties and businesses and whether or not it can
[1:02:25] be dissolved.
[1:02:26] I do have a couple of questions, though, looking at the statement of activity, and maybe
[1:02:33] this is for staff or commissioners who have been here longer than I have, how do we land
[1:02:37] on the UG share of contribution to the SMID?
[1:02:43] And is that something that we had discussed yearly or I'm just I'm just curious the process.
[1:02:54] Commissioner Biden, do you want to answer it?
[1:02:56] I only want to speak to my knowledge of it.
[1:03:00] Unified government own downtown.
[1:03:04] Gosh, I counted on just off the top of my head a week or so ago.
[1:03:08] It's eight to ten buildings.
[1:03:11] And so it's almost a payment in lieu of tax type of example, but it is voluntary.
[1:03:18] It's a modest amount based on what a building like the one we're sitting in might pay if
[1:03:26] it were on the tax roll.
[1:03:28] And some years we've not paid it because we were in difficult economic times and we
[1:03:35] simply could not make a voluntary contribution.
[1:03:38] So, when you see that, it's voluntary, but again, UG owns, you know, fire headquarters,
[1:03:48] police headquarters, on and on and on, this building, the health department, the courthouse.
[1:03:56] This is on the building, so yeah.
[1:03:57] Okay.
[1:03:57] Yeah.
[1:03:57] Thanks.
[1:03:58] That leads me to my next question.
[1:04:01] With the new campus downtown, has the community college been approached about maybe doing something
[1:04:05] similar?
[1:04:06] I believe that the KCK community college has their own police force.
[1:04:11] I'm a trustee at Johnson County Community College, and we have our own actual police on campus.
[1:04:17] I will follow up and find out what the relationship is and confirm that.
[1:04:23] Mr. Tom Williams.
[1:04:26] Commissioner, I did have that question too.
[1:04:28] We took a little tour of the building.
[1:04:29] I was surprised to find out that it's a condominium type of arrangement.
[1:04:34] So the eventual you've got partners. So you've got the swap health is in there.
[1:04:41] Community America is in there and the college is in there.
[1:04:44] So whatever voluntary payment that would be they probably have to calculate it based on square footage and the usage and the percentage of who's in there and that type of thing.
[1:04:55] So it's a little bit more complicated than just measuring the building because they've got three partners that would have to
[1:05:03] work that out. Sure.
[1:05:06] I misunderstood the question.
[1:05:08] All right. Thank you.
[1:05:09] So is the payment based on square footage of a building to the Schmidt or is the payment voluntary and they can decide they don't want to?
[1:05:22] I'm not sure that they have committed yet to actually making the payment, but however they're going to have to do it. It's a partnership of public and private entities that they'll have to figure out amongst the three of them how they're going to bring that out.
[1:05:38] Okay.
[1:05:39] But I don't think they committed quite yet, but when I asked when I posed that question, they said, well, they're going to have to make a calculation.
[1:05:49] But they didn't commit to anything.
[1:05:51] But does the Schmidt have its own formula?
[1:05:56] Why do they?
[1:05:57] Yeah, it's property by property and it's calculated through the UG.
[1:06:03] It's a mill levy and the mill levy is badly calculated off of your assessment value.
[1:06:10] Okay, Commissioner Pacheco.
[1:06:15] Thank you, Mayor Pacheco, District 5, Mr. Conway.
[1:06:18] Question for me is, can you just explain one more time perhaps for the public?
[1:06:24] Because I think it's very important, the mechanism of the tax that is imposed here.
[1:06:29] What, who does it affect, how does it work?
[1:06:34] It's ad-blorm property tax on the property and so the intent is not to sweep in residential
[1:06:44] properties within the district, it's just commercial entities.
[1:06:50] You do have the ones that are tax exempt for whatever reason and that's where that gets
[1:06:55] into the voluntary contribution.
[1:06:57] I do know that GSA has the federal courthouse and some of those properties and they have said that because of the federal budget, they cannot contribute.
[1:07:09] So that's a kind of off the table.
[1:07:12] But I think that's the intent is that commercial would have the extra property tax line added to their tax bill residential would be excluded.
[1:07:23] And what is the mechanism in which the property owners who do pay into it, who don't have to do so voluntarily, what is the mechanism by which they vote and say a majority of us want to continue doing this?
[1:07:42] For the ones that pay voluntarily, I don't know, like for instance, there was an agreement
[1:07:49] made with BPU prior to me arriving and so they just on an annual basis our accountant
[1:07:57] reaches out to them and they send in a payment and it's based off of the amount that they
[1:08:04] decided.
[1:08:05] If it's voluntary, we don't, I can check out, go get the history of that and find out
[1:08:12] how they decided it and see if anybody's around to.
[1:08:15] Do you know how the non-voluntary members, like folks who pay into it, what's that process?
[1:08:20] Well, at Valorant Taxes are typically calculated off of your assessed property value and there's
[1:08:26] a formula that you take your overall property value, multiply it by a factor like 0.11, I'm
[1:08:34] Johnson counties and then you calculate it off and then you multiply it by your new levy and
[1:08:40] that shoots out the number that they pay. So it's assessed property value from my knowledge.
[1:08:47] Yeah and what I'm really thank you for that and what I'm trying to understand is
[1:08:52] who is the voting body or who gets all these people rounded up and says hey let's vote on if we want
[1:08:58] to continue taxing ourselves. Like how does that go about? That's what I'm trying to understand the
[1:09:01] You're the governing body who decides that perhaps I'm misunderstanding I'm just trying to understand like
[1:09:10] Do the business owners or the property owners have a meeting of some sort in which they get together and say hey
[1:09:16] We want to continue doing this and they like at minimum like express an interest to the smith or that's all I'm just trying to understand
[1:09:23] It is a process inception that was done at the inception in
[1:09:27] 2008 2009, okay, and so then those same
[1:09:31] businesses, slash property owners are then approached again in 2016 they were
[1:09:38] approached again for the technical. Okay, but that's how it usually goes.
[1:09:43] I'm just trying to understand the mechanism. That's the one thing that I've never
[1:09:46] completely understood. Surveys are sent out and you know surveys which
[1:09:52] you are codes were sent out. We also sent surveys out in Spanish.
[1:09:58] Yeah, and all of us to say that, you know, most of the correspondence that I've received in regard to this has been in favor of it from most of the businesses, both large and small.
[1:10:09] So I'm really just, I'm just trying to understand the mechanism more than anything.
[1:10:12] So, the only other thing that I would say for sure, Mr. Conway, you would say then otherwise this is not a property tax, even though this is a taxing entity of sorts, if this is not one that affects the taxpayer at large.
[1:10:27] It is squarely imposed on those property owners within that district who have expressed in a majority fashion their desire to continue with the tax. Is that correct?
[1:10:47] Yeah, and directly so the smid gauges support throughout its lifetime and tries to to maintain that contact and and continue to support and it takes all kinds of different forms, yeah, very good.
[1:11:10] Thank you.
[1:11:11] And then the only other comment I'll make, Mayor, and then I'm done is I think Mr.
[1:11:16] Tand pointed to the fact that we really need to try to come up with a master plan and work
[1:11:19] in tandem with downtown shareholders, Smith, the unified government.
[1:11:23] I think in order for this to really get legs and actually for us to make the most out of it, we actually need
[1:11:28] to come up with a really robust master plan to we have, we're building the base here.
[1:11:35] We're doing the basics.
[1:11:35] We're cleaning, you know, we're keeping things safe, you know, just like your pyramid alludes to, but then what are we doing those things upon?
[1:11:43] What is the actual plan on which we are trying to make them happen?
[1:11:46] So I think then, you know, our voluntary payment in lieu, whatever we want to call it as unified government.
[1:11:52] Some of that perhaps we could use towards saying like, hey, this is some of this money perhaps goes towards some sort of feasibility or some sort of master plan planning of some sort.
[1:12:03] or just something that, honestly, I'm just kind of riffing here,
[1:12:06] but I think we need to maybe make it a little bit more robust
[1:12:08] of a situation in which we're working in tandem
[1:12:10] with these organizations as well.
[1:12:12] Thank you, appreciate it.
[1:12:13] Thank you.
[1:12:16] OK, Commissioner Hill.
[1:12:21] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[1:12:23] Thank you, Ms. Don and Mr. Burge for your comments.
[1:12:29] I am a long time down to, I consider myself
[1:12:33] of a downtown resident. And I have worked downtown for many years. And I remember the inception
[1:12:43] of the downtown shareholders and the SNED. And so I have seen the difference from before
[1:12:51] we had them and where we have them now. I certainly appreciate the information we received,
[1:12:57] concern the data of how many arrests, police, engagements, trash, all that that is distributed to
[1:13:08] the commissioner. So I certainly appreciate that information and I'm glad you're on deck. I
[1:13:16] really appreciate the comment that Mr. Birch made. He said don't give up on downtown KCK and that's
[1:13:24] That's one of the things that to ride down there week after week, day after day, year after year, it gets pretty discouraging.
[1:13:34] And to hear tonight that there's some real possibilities again that we're going to get some things accomplished downtown is very, very exciting to me.
[1:13:46] I'm looking forward to the red and somebody saying something that the red and
[1:13:51] center is going to do something positive. I'm looking forward to actually seeing
[1:13:59] the brotherhood building occupied the UNB bank building done the library. I mean it's going
[1:14:07] to change everything if we can wait to see it actually happen. I hope I'm still alive.
[1:14:16] but it is exciting just to hear that there are plans again for downtown KCK. I'm
[1:14:25] excited about the grocery store that's coming in again so I appreciate what
[1:14:32] you all have done down through the years and in the midst of things looking so
[1:14:40] bleak, so unattractive. We still have that rail hope. We've got to keep the light on.
[1:14:48] That's what I don't even like Motel 8 or whatever it is, but it said we'll keep the light
[1:14:53] on for you. So I don't like them, but I like the light, the light part is what I like.
[1:14:59] So thank you.
[1:15:00] So much for what you have done. And please hang in there and let's, let's make downtown beautiful. We can do this. Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Hill. Commissioner Davis.
[1:15:13] Thank you. I think council is going to answer this question. So it may be, it'll be good for kind of everybody to hear this. I thought and I could be wrong that there was a vote that was going to take place for the area of property owners. Am I not understanding that?
[1:15:31] that correctly. It's never going to be a vote to renew. It was always going to be kind
[1:15:36] of our decision of whether or not this would continue.
[1:15:40] Commissioner, the statute has kind of a two-pronged approach. So there's two different ways.
[1:15:46] The commission itself can establish or there can be a petition circulated that I think
[1:15:53] That's what you're thinking about, and so I'm not sure what they did the first time
[1:16:01] around, but the second time the existing iteration was not a petition.
[1:16:07] It was the commission directly did that, and so I think they're saying this particular
[1:16:14] application is the same route.
[1:16:16] It would be directly through the commission.
[1:16:19] Gotcha.
[1:16:19] Gotcha.
[1:16:19] I think Council may have some additional information.
[1:16:21] Yes, I was looking at the statute and it allows that and because there's normally we adopt the resolution or the ordinance, the day of the public hearing and you'll notice that there is a 30 day delay until you do that.
[1:16:38] If during that time you receive a petition with at least 40% of all owners of property in the proposed districts, then it would be withdrawn.
[1:16:48] So there is a mechanism for the property owners to protest this measure.
[1:16:55] Gotcha. Gotcha. That was kind of my question.
[1:16:57] How do we make sure that we're just not necessarily imposing this,
[1:17:01] but that there is some buy-in even beyond the appointments that we make.
[1:17:07] I forgot who it was.
[1:17:08] Might have been Commissioner comp that was talking about the kind of payment that we make
[1:17:14] in Commissioner Biden about how much property we own.
[1:17:16] I think one of the challenging parts about downtown is that so much of the property is owned by tax exempt entities
[1:17:24] and so
[1:17:26] there I do think there needs to be a larger discussion beyond the BPU beyond the UG beyond the health systems
[1:17:34] The college should definitely be a part of it, but I actually think for a nonprofit folks many of them who own a property here
[1:17:41] and for other tax exempt folks how do we get them to pitch in because that is applying a lot of
[1:17:48] pressure on the very few who are not tax exempts. And it's been going on for so long and I think
[1:17:56] the numbers have made it pretty obvious that we need more folks to pitch in in some way shape or form
[1:18:02] so that it's not just on the few that choose to voluntarily do the work.
[1:18:12] I am a huge, huge fan of us investing in our downtown.
[1:18:17] I don't think you can point to a thriving city in this country that we would, you know, aspire to be like and say their downtown does not have vibrancy or doesn't have many of the things.
[1:18:29] that you said we should aspire for. I do have a question. You all did receive a grant from
[1:18:36] Kaufman. Do I? Okay. And that was just for extra FTE. Yes. It was through what? Oh, through
[1:18:44] down town shareholder. So it wasn't through this made. Can you just speak to those efforts and kind
[1:18:50] of what that has resulted in because this made a DTS work so closely together? Yeah. The Schmid is
[1:18:56] given us the Kaufman foundation grant has given us extra capacity for staffing.
[1:19:03] We're also using that money to help us figure out fund development.
[1:19:07] From the DTS side, we need to learn how to fundraise.
[1:19:12] A lot of the money that we got comes, we get memberships,
[1:19:16] a few thousand dollars from memberships and grants that I apply for.
[1:19:21] And so, we need an ongoing way to stabilize the DTS budget so that it is not dependent upon
[1:19:30] how many grants you got this year or not.
[1:19:32] And so, you know, are there big funders out there?
[1:19:35] There are specific funders that have streams of interest and some of its community development,
[1:19:42] sometimes it's, you know, health and wellness, sometimes it's, you know, kids or something.
[1:19:48] So looking to find those funders who will want to invest in downtown, the other part is in just development of our board and again more capacity, more development, more engagement.
[1:20:03] And so it's called a capacity fund.
[1:20:06] So to give our organization strength in our organization.
[1:20:09] Yeah, and that's that's great because I imagine again with those two kind of working very closely together
[1:20:14] It's very hard for one to succeed and for the other one not and a lot of entities particularly right government
[1:20:22] What's really hard to get dollars in will have a nonprofit arm or at least an association of some sort to make that fun raising
[1:20:30] A easier and so yeah
[1:20:32] I'm I am in support of us continuing to make the investments and for us to continue the
[1:20:39] momentum, I think we made a pretty sizable investment in United Market, right?
[1:20:44] The former Merck site and we've had to do a lot of subsidizing to get things going.
[1:20:50] I would love for us to get to a point where we do not have to or for us to lower that
[1:20:54] amount so that we can see downtown really take off and really thrive.
[1:20:58] So thank you for your work and I look forward to the continued success and I'm glad there's
[1:21:04] some direction with the brotherhood,
[1:21:06] making what the future of that facility will be.
[1:21:10] So thank you.
[1:21:11] Thank you.
[1:21:13] Thank you.
[1:21:14] Commissioner Howard.
[1:21:16] Howard District one.
[1:21:18] Thank you all for that presentation.
[1:21:19] If we could, could we go to the slide
[1:21:21] with the pictures on it?
[1:21:23] Well, yep, there it is.
[1:21:33] Yep, that's it.
[1:21:36] What?
[1:21:37] Can you go back, yeah, you know?
[1:21:42] Okay.
[1:21:42] But this is the fun part for me.
[1:21:45] I appreciate all that you are doing
[1:21:48] and my colleagues already echoed that.
[1:21:50] But you all have something really good going on here
[1:21:56] with the youth component to the downtown shareholders.
[1:21:59] Can you just talk to me a little bit about that?
[1:22:01] I would love to.
[1:22:03] So through Pro-AXO, the intern on the right
[1:22:07] with two commissioners was Alexa through Pro-X. Pro-X actually pays the interns, and she was an 11th grader from Johnson County, and I gave her some more high-intensity projects to work on, and then the group pictured in the middle with you and Commissioner Bynum, where nine interns from a BPU grant that we received.
[1:22:33] And so it was seven weeks with these youngsters.
[1:22:38] We did, they wrote business plans,
[1:22:41] gave from the toolbox, showed them how to write a business plan.
[1:22:45] They got into small groups, and they wrote business plans for businesses downtown.
[1:22:49] They had resume writing, and then they did mock interviews.
[1:22:54] They walked pretty much at least once or twice a week to launch and other places.
[1:22:59] And so they just got to learn the city on foot.
[1:23:03] They spent a whole day with the fire department.
[1:23:05] They spent a day with you.
[1:23:07] They met the mayor a couple of times.
[1:23:09] They even talked to Mrs. McFedder's about public relations.
[1:23:13] We had a career day for them.
[1:23:16] And we just had a lot of projects where we had them kind
[1:23:19] of imagine give us feedback on what would you like
[1:23:23] to see in downtown.
[1:23:24] Another initiative that I am just starting to work on
[1:23:28] is I've reached out to Sumner Academy and Wyandotte.
[1:23:32] I plan also reach out to Bishop Ward.
[1:23:34] I like to almost create like a little youth coalition
[1:23:38] of students.
[1:23:40] And really my whole goal is I want to remember
[1:23:43] the time they worked on downtown,
[1:23:45] the time they had a Sumner downtown,
[1:23:47] the time they did a project downtown.
[1:23:50] And then in 10 years,
[1:23:52] these are the people who come back and want to be a commissioner
[1:23:55] and they see people who look like them, who are commissioners, or the mayor.
[1:23:59] These are people who want to own businesses, who want to live down here when we have all these cool condos.
[1:24:05] And so I actually was talking with someone from USD 500 and they said there's a program called Diploma Plus.
[1:24:11] And where if I grab those, if I can get those students, they actually get like a capstone credit for that as well.
[1:24:17] So that's my next step.
[1:24:19] I just emailed the principals and the counselors and it was right at the beginning of the year.
[1:24:24] So I'm slowly getting some responses back, but I'm leaning towards getting a little diploma plus
[1:24:29] Group together to really help us imagine the future because they are the ones we're gonna hear it from us
[1:24:36] Thank you. Yeah, and the last thing is I think it's important exposure is important
[1:24:41] And we always talk about you can't be what you can't see
[1:24:44] And so you and I are both from district one in north eastern area, right? And so
[1:24:49] For you to have that component to the downtown sharehold is to have more of a pipeline
[1:24:54] right to create that pipeline for and one of the one of the main questions that I was asked when I was you know running for office was
[1:25:01] What are you going to do to track young folk right in this you you are providing that pipeline for them allowing them to be able to express their creativity
[1:25:10] allowing them to be able to see the city exposing them to civic engagement. So I think that's very important. And so
[1:25:17] If you all continue all if you all continue on that path
[1:25:21] I believe you are already on the path of success, so thank you.
[1:25:25] Thank you.
[1:25:26] Thank you, Commissioner Stites.
[1:25:32] Stites District 7.
[1:25:34] Along the lines with what Commissioner Davis was saying about the other non-profits,
[1:25:40] the community college, I'm not sure that I might understand how the 128 were the largest contributor.
[1:25:47] I guess if it's square footage or but you have BPU at 17.5 and you got the KU Health System
[1:25:53] in the 26, where is the KU health system within that district?
[1:26:01] They're actually outside of the district.
[1:26:03] But yet they're making a contribution, right?
[1:26:07] So I think that's very important.
[1:26:09] I knew the answer and I wasn't trying to trick you.
[1:26:10] I knew that, right?
[1:26:12] But I mean, I think that just goes to show what we are,
[1:26:18] what good partners look like, right?
[1:26:20] So when we're talking about other deals that are made, whether it be out west, and we're looking for how they can contribute into our downtown when we, when we, oh, yeah.
[1:26:36] So there's ways that we might be able to, you know, there's, you know, other economic development deals that are occurring out west. Well, here's ways that we can do it.
[1:26:45] I will tell you a little disappointed that the Community College hasn't stepped up since they bought that property for $10.
[1:26:53] I would think that that would be something that they would like to step up.
[1:26:57] I'm hoping that before we see this again in October, that there's been movement on that.
[1:27:06] Yeah, I, um, you may know that Dr. Mosher was our previous, um, chair of the Schmidt Board.
[1:27:15] The college experienced a bit of turbulence in even finding their next president.
[1:27:20] And I asked a couple of times that they had even selected a site director.
[1:27:26] And a few months ago they had not.
[1:27:28] I'm pretty sure now that the college is open that they have, and I'll reach out to that site director.
[1:27:33] I actually have reached out to Swope to ask and just give them a overview of what we do and so once I find out who the site director is for the downtown site, I'll get a meeting with him or her.
[1:27:48] Okay. Well, I think that there's opportunities with other development that's occurring in our in our community.
[1:27:57] And I've always supported, and I think that it's imperative that we do bring development to all four corners of our community.
[1:28:07] I think it's not just out west, although we hear that quite a bit, it's just out west, I'm an advocate for downtown, right?
[1:28:15] Whether, I mean, whatever side you are on with the Reardon Center, right?
[1:28:19] I wanted to see something happen, and I hope that there is, I hope with the brotherhood building there is something that happens.
[1:28:26] I would imagine that maybe somebody like the Kansas City Chiefs could absorb this whole amount, right, and make this go away, right, and take it off of the taxpayers, that own businesses down there.
[1:28:40] So there's a lot of different things. I just think it's a matter of how we craft our development agreements, what we asked for in civic contributions.
[1:28:53] So it just bothers me to be honest with you that we are, I don't know what that is, five times larger than somebody that's not even in our air that is not even in the district.
[1:29:06] KU Health System, right? I appreciate it. I really do. I'm glad. But I'm hoping that there's some of the other non-profits will be contacted and how we look at them if they're not.
[1:29:17] I don't know if, for instance, I'm not sure why deck, where are they at in this?
[1:29:22] I don't know if Y deck is a nonprofit or not, not sure, but I would think that Y deck, I don't know if they pay property taxes, but they would also be one that I feel like should be contributing.
[1:29:34] If they're not, I'm not saying the nuts, I don't know.
[1:29:37] They're not.
[1:29:38] Okay, well, they're not.
[1:29:38] So I would think YDEC would need to be contributing.
[1:29:41] I think there's a lot of entities that reap the rewards of what's being done down there
[1:29:48] and the potential good things that are coming and not contributing.
[1:29:52] And I think that needs to be rectified.
[1:29:54] Thank you.
[1:29:55] Thank you.
[1:30:01] Thank you, Commissioner Stads. Appreciate that. Commissioner Burns. Mayor, are you ready for a motion to approve? There there's no need for a motion. This was an information only I believe we vote next time.
[1:30:15] I know that. Correct clerk. Alrighty. I think that was Commissioner Burns way of saying this ends this session. So. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Thank you.
[1:30:32] job well done job well done all right we have four items scheduled under our
[1:30:39] administrators agenda this evening the first item item number 11.1 is adoption
[1:30:46] of a resolution extending the current state of emergency I will turn the
[1:30:52] matter over to our interim kind of administrator Mr. Allen House for opening
[1:30:57] remarks and introduction of staff thank you mayor so we have
[1:31:02] before you an extension. This was came last week for the emergency declaration, the local emergency declaration.
[1:31:11] We have since last week gotten additional information that the can be extended more than one week at a time.
[1:31:19] So we have also learned this evening that the state is extending their emergency declaration to October the 4th.
[1:31:27] So we will be looking to extend our emergency declaration
[1:31:29] to believe October 15th,
[1:31:32] so it'll be after the state one,
[1:31:34] and that'll come side with a commission meeting.
[1:31:37] Should we need to take further action at that time?
[1:31:40] So I'll ask, we have interim assistant County Administrator
[1:31:45] Casey Meyer and Director of Emergency Management
[1:31:47] Jennifer Tarwater, if they want to add anything to that
[1:31:50] or any additional information related to the storm recovery.
[1:31:54] Good evening. Madam Mayor and commissioners. So this is in to extend. So as Alan was speaking about we learned today that the state is extending their state declaration through October 4th.
[1:32:09] And so we are asking for our local resolution or declaration to be through October 15 and I know there was some confusion today or here recently because the state of Missouri and Kansas received a presidential proclamation.
[1:32:23] And that was for a previous storm, so that is not related to this storm system at all.
[1:32:29] So I know that can cause a bit of confusion.
[1:32:31] And so in the last couple of days, we have had, as far as where we're at with progress
[1:32:36] towards getting our presidential declaration for our public assistance.
[1:32:41] That is, we've had K-DEM come down and they are doing assessments again to see where we're
[1:32:48] at with getting that reimbursement for the debris removal.
[1:32:51] damage to critical infrastructure and emergency protective measures.
[1:32:56] So they came and looked at the damage done to our fire station, they looked at the debris
[1:33:00] piles.
[1:33:01] Today, we're averaging about between two and three thousand cubic yards of debris that
[1:33:07] is being hauled away every day.
[1:33:10] They give me a report every night, but last I checked it was about more than 25,000 cubic
[1:33:15] yards of debris.
[1:33:16] And we know that as they make that pass, we're still seeing a lot of debris in people's yards, a lot of trees that still need to be cut down and hauled to the curb.
[1:33:26] And we are working and coordinating with chainsaw crews from across the country that are coming in, these are volunteers.
[1:33:33] And they are still out there every day cutting trees down, hauling them to the curb.
[1:33:38] We have some that have been here for two weeks at this point and their deployment is ending and they're going home.
[1:33:46] Some of them are resting and then we'll come back later to help us out.
[1:33:50] And then we have some new ones coming on board.
[1:33:52] So just a great overwhelming experience with having these professional soyares in.
[1:33:57] We did have two injuries that were sustained.
[1:34:00] And so we're trying to make sure that these trees are very dangerous.
[1:34:04] and so we have trained volunteers that are coming in to take care of those.
[1:34:09] I also know there's still some confusion about with the FEMA assistance that's available.
[1:34:16] And so FEMA has two different kinds of assistance.
[1:34:19] And it doesn't, the name can be very confusing, so there's what's called public assistance.
[1:34:24] Excuse me. Is this all well to the emergency extension? Are you just giving us an update?
[1:34:29] I'm just giving you what you're on are you doing okay do you yeah anybody have any questions or do you want
[1:34:35] Is it I think the commission board has some questions sure commissioner
[1:34:41] Okay, you took it off question. I thought you were calling me sir. Uh, Commissioner sites sites district seven
[1:34:46] um
[1:34:47] Did you mean to say or did I hear wrong did you say that you're extending it through October 15th or September 15
[1:34:56] because I was thinking that when we did it last week.
[1:34:58] It's an extension through October.
[1:35:00] So I thought that when we talked about this last week that it was every,
[1:35:04] we talked because we said it's about every week.
[1:35:07] I think it was Commissioner Bynum that said it.
[1:35:08] Right, so Commissioner Sites, that's my fault.
[1:35:11] So when I first interpreted the statute, I was being overly cautious because of the language in the statute.
[1:35:16] The initial term has to be seven days, but with commission approval then you can extend it past seven days.
[1:35:22] And despite me loving to see you guys every seven days,
[1:35:25] I understand that there's a desire to try to push that out because we don't have commission meeting set up and so
[1:35:31] based off of the state being able to extend theirs through
[1:35:35] October the 4th we would like to extend ours to
[1:35:39] October 15th, which gives us an opportunity to review the progress we've made and I appreciate that I just wanted to make sure that I was tracking what you said
[1:35:49] Starts motion to approve as submitted. Second.
[1:35:53] Okay. They'll pay you. You had your you don't need you just want a second
[1:35:57] Davis do you have a question before the vote goes otherwise we're ready to vote? Yeah, just real quick
[1:36:01] I know I miss her already you had a lot to offer
[1:36:04] I know we also have a lot to go through so if you could put that in a memo or email or something
[1:36:09] greatly greatly appreciate yes and we are working on an executive report now
[1:36:13] To get that all to you with a summation of what has happened from the beginning to where we're at now
[1:36:19] and when should we expect to see that?
[1:36:21] That will be next week.
[1:36:23] Next week? Can we get it Friday?
[1:36:26] What is it?
[1:36:27] That's Friday.
[1:36:28] Dang.
[1:36:28] Okay, next week, what day?
[1:36:32] I will try my best.
[1:36:35] What day next week?
[1:36:37] Okay, Monday is a whole day.
[1:36:39] Let's get with Wednesday.
[1:36:41] Wednesday.
[1:36:41] All right.
[1:36:42] Wednesday.
[1:36:43] All right.
[1:36:44] It's been moved by states and second.
[1:36:47] by Lopez, roll call please. Mayor before we have roll call, can we specify the motion does include to October 15th?
[1:36:55] Yes, the motion does include until October 15th.
[1:36:59] Roll call please. Mayor, that's correct. I'll make it to October 15th and then I believe that Commissioner Lopez has a question before we go.
[1:37:10] Okay, make sure Lopez.
[1:37:14] Madam Mayor, thank you so much.
[1:37:16] Yes, so we'll go.
[1:37:18] I just had a quick question on what are what is Kansas City, Missouri emergency response
[1:37:28] apartment doing that we're not doing or what are we doing that they're not doing or are
[1:37:34] we as everything as far as what the president when you said that from money that was coming
[1:37:42] from from the previous storm.
[1:37:44] So that is a different storm system, so we could have like our storm system that came through, so the storm that happened October 19th around between 1 and 3 a.m.
[1:37:56] We are the only county in the state of Kansas of all 105 counties that experience damage from that storm.
[1:38:03] And so this particular declaration should we receive it for the public assistance will just be our county.
[1:38:10] and sometimes they'll do contiguous as well, assuming that there's some slight damage.
[1:38:15] But it can be confusing especially when they overlap because another community could have
[1:38:19] something tomorrow and get a declaration. So this way when they come out you really have to read
[1:38:25] them because it can be confusing, but the one that was just announced that does not pertain to us.
[1:38:31] That's a different storm that went through in different areas.
[1:38:34] Right. I was thinking that was a little early forest anyway because there's still
[1:38:38] families that we're still trying to yeah I get it. Okay thank you. Okay we're ready for the vote.
[1:38:44] We had a motion from Stites and a second from Locke Pes were October 15th extension.
[1:38:51] Roll call please. Roll call. Ramirez. Aye. Hill. Aye. Pacheco. Aye. Locke Pes. Aye. Stites. Aye. Davis. Aye.
[1:39:01] All right.
[1:39:01] Fine them.
[1:39:02] Aye.
[1:39:02] Come.
[1:39:03] Aye.
[1:39:03] Howard.
[1:39:04] Aye.
[1:39:04] Burns.
[1:39:05] Aye.
[1:39:05] Voters 10-0.
[1:39:06] Motion carries.
[1:39:07] Thank you.
[1:39:08] The next item.
[1:39:09] Item number 11.2 seeks approval of voting delegates for the League of Kansas Municipalities conference
[1:39:15] in Oberlin Park.
[1:39:17] I will turn the matter over to our interim county administrator, Mr. Allen House, for opening remarks
[1:39:21] to introduction the staff.
[1:39:24] Thank you, Mayor.
[1:39:25] So this would be naming delegates for the annual League of Kansas Municipalities conference.
[1:39:30] commissioner Howard and assistant county administrator Lucas would be the delegate and alternate for that conference and when is that conference I will turn over to Mr. Lucas.
[1:39:41] Not a mayor Rodney Lucas assistant county administrator. The annual conference is for October 8 through the 10th in Wichita, Kansas.
[1:39:51] We have some misinformation here where says Oakland Park.
[1:39:57] the right.
[1:39:58] It's motion to approve.
[1:40:00] Okay.
[1:40:01] It's been.
[1:40:02] It's been moved by the.
[1:40:03] Strides and second by.
[1:40:05] Com.
[1:40:06] I need roll call please.
[1:40:08] Roll call.
[1:40:09] Ramirez.
[1:40:10] Hi.
[1:40:11] Hill.
[1:40:12] Hi.
[1:40:12] Check.
[1:40:13] I Lopez.
[1:40:15] Hi.
[1:40:15] Dights.
[1:40:16] Hi.
[1:40:16] Hi.
[1:40:17] Hi.
[1:40:17] I come.
[1:40:19] Howard.
[1:40:20] Hi.
[1:40:22] Thank you, commissioners and clerk, the next item item number 11 out three is adoption of a resolution authorizing an increase of three additional dollars charged for vehicle registration or renewal for a total of eight dollars.
[1:40:37] I will turn the matter over to our interim County administrator, Mr Allen.
[1:40:41] out of the remarks and introduction staff.
[1:40:44] All right. Thank you, Mayor.
[1:40:45] And I guess if I got to ask our budget director
[1:40:47] to come forward as well and our CFO.
[1:40:51] This is on the agenda.
[1:40:54] This is item the first item.
[1:40:56] It is really part of the budget discussion for this evening
[1:41:00] and hopefully the adoption of the budget.
[1:41:02] This picks up on the discussion that the commission had
[1:41:06] last week and the week before.
[1:41:09] So what was asked was that staff come back with some options and so I'm going to thank staff for the work that they did to bring back those options.
[1:41:19] We brought back options that were different than what was in the proposed budget and those included options for a flat mill rate for both the city and county and what changes would get us to that flat mill rate.
[1:41:33] So we can look at that, those options will start on the county side, and I guess I would ask the clerk if you can bring up the county document here.
[1:41:48] We'll give this a go.
[1:41:53] This is just for the motor vehicle, correct?
[1:41:56] The motor vehicle is in the context of the county budget.
[1:41:59] So the resolution would be for the adoption of the $3 fee for the motor vehicle fee and just for context, I think this has been commissioners have heard this before but for public that maybe tuning in the state of Kansas requires that counties provide DMV services, however, does not provide funding sufficient to cover those services so to the tune of about a million and a half dollars.
[1:42:26] DMV services have been funded through the general fund on the county side, through property taxes.
[1:42:33] So the state legislature has now allowed and authorized for counties to implement a fee, a transaction fee, for DMV services up to the amount of $10 for the cost recovery on those fees.
[1:42:47] In the proposed budget, we included a fee up to $8, which would be 100% cost recovery.
[1:42:54] nothing additional above cost recovery be it a full cost recovery under state law
[1:43:00] five dollars of that is allowed administratively to be implemented and
[1:43:05] additionally above five dollars requires approval from the commission so what is
[1:43:10] before you this evening would be the additional three dollars above the
[1:43:14] administrative fee for county DMV services and the reason we bring this forward in
[1:43:21] And the context of the budget is that is part of what is in the proposed 2027 budget and should the commission decide they didn't want to go forward with the $3 fee for per transaction, then there would be additional reductions that we need to make in the county budget in order to offset that.
[1:43:41] What is the like surrounding counties? What are they charging?
[1:43:49] Shelly can even CFO. So we looked at that as well mayor and actually 88 at the 105 counties throughout the entire state.
[1:43:58] Already had implemented the $5 administrative fee. Although really small counties that they only have one location, they can only do $2.50 because it's, they only have one look.
[1:44:09] So the rest of the counties are have added an additional $5 and we're only doing $3 because we're
[1:44:17] doing $5 administratively, which we already had. So we're adding an additional three which is
[1:44:24] what the resolution is because it requires under this state law requires you all to act on that.
[1:44:30] We have looked at okay so our other counties that already had the five are they going to go up
[1:44:36] to get the tin. That's why I'm asking. Yes. So Johnson County said you would, Shawnee,
[1:44:42] Wichita, and Lemonworth have already voted to go up the additional full tin.
[1:44:47] Douglas County said an additional three, which would be the same as us.
[1:44:51] And then there's a number of other other entities that are evaluating what the
[1:45:00] What the, um, their vote would be, um, they're having the same discussion at the same time you are. Okay. All right. Um, do we, I don't, do we need a presentation on this? No, Commissioner Pacheco. Thank you, Mayor Pacheco district five. Um, what are the intended, uh, just kind of outcomes or results that we're trying to, um, achieve with the extra $3 primarily within the department.
[1:45:28] So the additional outcomes are primarily to put in place a proper funding strategy so that it is self-funding as opposed to being on the backs of the property taxes, which is how it's currently partly funded.
[1:45:43] So it's to put the right funding structure in place, much like an enterprise fund.
[1:45:49] So a sewer, you pay sewer fees, that's how you pay for your sewer.
[1:45:53] Same thing for this office that we're required to have the fees and fully fund the office.
[1:45:59] But we have a variety of different improvements underway that we believe will enhance services
[1:46:05] and will make things better including a new line management system that will help us segment out
[1:46:11] the work a little differently so that people are going coming in for a really short transaction,
[1:46:18] get pulled over to a state as a dedicated window. And that was based on the pilot we did at
[1:46:24] Bonner Springs and seeing how successful that was, so we hope that that will be a great addition.
[1:46:29] And then we're looking at other things too that we shared with the AHS committee when we came
[1:46:34] into life. So in essence, while taxpayers would be the ones who pay this extra amount,
[1:46:40] it would be a very small amount, three extra dollars, and hopefully the
[1:46:47] idea is that we shift it from needing to fund it from the general fund is the
[1:46:52] idea. Yes, and it's actually vehicle owners, now our painness. Sure, exactly.
[1:46:58] As opposed to you all taxpayers. Got it. Yeah, so, okay, very good. Thank you.
[1:47:02] I appreciate that. Daniel and Reggie, have you guys figured if it was a
[1:47:06] $3.25, what additional?
[1:47:09] It's $3.00 the question, how much?
[1:47:12] Which covers the expenses?
[1:47:14] So you know why we have to pull?
[1:47:15] And you said that was like one point.
[1:47:17] How much million?
[1:47:22] So the yes, $3.00 is like $387.
[1:47:26] Oh, I'm sorry, I thought I heard you said that.
[1:47:28] So if we went up to initial two for five total more,
[1:47:33] it'd be happening.
[1:47:34] It'd be roughly half that.
[1:47:36] And then we had proposed some additions to the D&B that would then add some staffing and
[1:47:43] that type of thing.
[1:47:44] But in hearing the discussion at one of the previous budget workshops, we felt like,
[1:47:48] okay, let's kind of walk before we run.
[1:47:52] And this is proposed a $3 fee because it will achieve the cost recovery and because we also
[1:47:59] know that we are doing some things already with our existing staff, our existing resources
[1:48:04] is to improve things. So that was, you know, what we revised our recommendation to, but we also
[1:48:13] want to point out that this additional $3, not the base $5 that everybody else was charging that
[1:48:18] we were. The $3 is only authorized for two years by the state legislature. So you all, if you voted
[1:48:26] for that tonight, $3 or $5 additional, that's only a two-year window. So we would need to be working with
[1:48:32] our state legislature to extend that so that we don't then create a problem in year three.
[1:48:39] So we felt like that would give us also some footing, if you will, to not put ourselves
[1:48:46] in a really bad position in a few years, should we not be able to get that law changed?
[1:48:54] Thank you, Mayor.
[1:48:58] This is one, I know we hear a lot that we have a lot of fees on everything and across
[1:49:07] our government, but I think this one is going to help because it, as it's been stated,
[1:49:17] it'll help make the DMV self-sufficient and that the county budget will
[1:49:22] in stop help subsidizing the department. Again, the DMV is a state mandated
[1:49:29] department function that the state does not pay for. They make us pay for it but
[1:49:35] tell us we have to run it. And so I think it is not the best way to do it,
[1:49:42] but if it's a way that we can get it self-sufficient,
[1:49:45] helping us not subsidize it, it helps us have a little bit more wiggle room within the county budget, so I would personally support it. Thank you.
[1:49:57] Thank you, Commissioner Davis.
[1:49:58] Thank you. Just a question. So knowing that this has the potential to go away, we're really talking
[1:50:11] kind of an injection, right, specifically of dollars that could go in. So my thinking is,
[1:50:19] if there's no guarantee that the dollars last, what could we improve within the next two years?
[1:50:28] that folks can say my DMV experience is better because I, you know, paid that fee.
[1:50:36] I guess what I'm trying to get at is I would hate for us to do this and then nothing gets better, but it all gets more expensive.
[1:50:43] I would like for us to say and I think we talked about this earlier on in the budget.
[1:50:48] There's some system, there's some process or something that makes us more efficient and better with our customer service.
[1:51:01] So that's a line management system that I was talking about and we're already in the
[1:51:07] works of putting that in place and it'll go live November 15th.
[1:51:12] So we think with the way that we're going to restructure the way we do the work right
[1:51:17] now when people sign up for an appointment online, they sign up to be virtually in line or
[1:51:22] they're walking, they're all just combined, but all transactions do not take the same amount
[1:51:27] of time. But our system doesn't allow us to say, hey, you've made an appointment, what are
[1:51:32] you coming in for so that we can pre-organize the work and get those short transactions done
[1:51:38] very quickly. And so that's one of the things that we we're very confident is going to improve
[1:51:44] the way that our operation works for a lot of people because we still do have 40% of our citizens
[1:51:51] that are paying for the renewals online but and there's also statutory things that we'd like to
[1:51:59] work with the state on in terms of getting more options that you could do online as opposed to
[1:52:05] making people come in person and so forth so you know that's a longer term strategy but in the
[1:52:11] shorter term we are already we are making this change we did an operational performance audit
[1:52:17] and it was very instructional in terms of some of the things we need to do that are low cost,
[1:52:23] that are not real expensive, you know, so people can hear that they're lying, that their numbers
[1:52:30] up. The audio systems are woefully inadequate, and so having a screen that makes it really apparent
[1:52:37] where you are in mind will be better service. So we do believe that the citizens will see better
[1:52:43] service. And that would be kind of the main thing that would, you know, make me hopeful about this,
[1:52:49] just knowing the uncertainties that we can can make smart capital purchases that can last,
[1:52:59] that folks can see and say, okay, this investment was made, and now I have a better experience at the
[1:53:08] And again, for folks kind of watching, the question isn't, are we going to pay for
[1:53:12] the DMV service?
[1:53:13] We're going to pay for it either through our property taxes, through the sales tax
[1:53:17] or through this fee.
[1:53:19] So it's going to be paid for.
[1:53:21] The question is, how are we going to pay for it?
[1:53:23] And then do we have an opportunity to be strategic and make some investments that will improve
[1:53:30] the customer experience, which to me, it's probably the strongest argument for this.
[1:53:36] While also again, weighing that another fee means costs do go up and I do take that into consideration as well. Thank you, Mayor.
[1:53:48] County administrator, can I sure hear you took yours off?
[1:53:52] Thank you, Mayor. I was just going down that same path. I just wanted to know.
[1:53:56] So, like, will this require, on the other end, would it require hiring more staff or improving
[1:54:08] equipment or, you know, so my thought was like, Commissioner Davis, what will the community
[1:54:19] see different when they go get there, whatever they need from the DMV?
[1:54:24] That was my so we pretty much and then you answered that you are already working on some things and so yeah, we'll be helpful because that's one of the things the community asks.
[1:54:39] Where are my you know we're paying for this and we don't see any improvement so that's what I like to hear what are the improvements that we are expecting.
[1:54:50] Thank you.
[1:54:50] Thank you, Commissioner Hill and the County Administrator and I'll just add to I think it's worth noting that the state of Kansas also has a motor vehicle modernization task force that's also looking at motor vehicles.
[1:55:04] I think one of the challenges for the motor vehicle offices that the back office systems that they rely on are state systems and they are not the most modern state systems.
[1:55:18] I think would be a charitable way to say that, and so that if you look at what some other states have now in terms of online services for DMV and other things, this is one of the areas that the state is looking at as well as I think the fee structure and how counties can continue to fund these services.
[1:55:40] So it's an active conversation at the state level as well.
[1:55:44] Commissioner Davis.
[1:55:45] Yes.
[1:55:46] Thanks.
[1:55:46] I'll see it's very quickly.
[1:55:47] It's in my understanding.
[1:55:48] I don't know if we can put the document up again, but just for kind of folks to be aware.
[1:55:55] Because this was included in the proposed budget, if we didn't do the $3 additional fee for
[1:56:03] the DMV, it would be a shortfall of roughly $378,000, do I read that correctly?
[1:56:10] And I guess what staff is proposing is if we were to for go that additional $3 that we would have to take on extra debt for the radio.
[1:56:24] The radios that are needed for the emergency management department. Do I have that correct as well?
[1:56:30] So I think again and not an easy decision but I just want folks to be very clear again that it's going to have to be paid for somewhere.
[1:56:37] and so we're choosing between, we need to pay for the radios, absolutely.
[1:56:43] But the question becomes, do we want to pay for it with cash?
[1:56:47] And that only becomes available because this fee takes some pressure off the general fund and allows us to not use debt
[1:56:55] to pay for those emergency radios, or do we finance it?
[1:57:00] And then, of course, we have to pay interest.
[1:57:02] And so again, another thing for us to consider as we weigh a multiple very much needed concerns
[1:57:09] and pros and cons with this proposal.
[1:57:12] Thank you.
[1:57:14] All right.
[1:57:15] Yeah.
[1:57:15] Since we don't have any other questions or comments, I need a motion to approve the adoption
[1:57:20] of resolution, authorizing an increase of three additional dollars charged for vehicle registration
[1:57:26] or renewal for total aid dollars.
[1:57:29] Motion to approve.
[1:57:30] Thank you.
[1:57:31] Pacheco. Second. All right. It's been moved by Pacheco and second by Ramirez.
[1:57:37] Roll cobbling. Roll call Ramirez. I kill our Pacheco. I low piz.
[1:57:44] Stites. Oh, Davis. I find them. I come. No. Howard. I
[1:57:53] Burns. I the vote is eight to two. The motion. Or yes, eight to two. The motion
[1:57:57] carries. Thank you. All right. The last item item number 11.4 is one item. However, there are
[1:58:08] various budget elements within the item. Each element will require a separate vote. At this time,
[1:58:14] I will turn the matter over to our interim County Administrator Allen House for comment.
[1:58:19] All right. Thank you, Mayor. And I'll ask if we could look if we could bring that document on
[1:58:26] the
[1:58:32] item in the proposed budget that was presented to you all, it included a 1 mil increase on the county side and that was composed of two parts, it was composed of a half mil general fund and a half mil for the county infrastructure program called sci fi, which allocates funding from the county mill for each of the cities in wine.
[1:58:58] County and so and just for clarity say the sci-fi funding is in a separate
[1:59:05] fund it's not part of the general fund and that's why they're two different
[1:59:08] pieces each at a half mill so what we provided in option what's the list is
[1:59:14] option two clear maybe if you can zoom in a little bit here on option options you
[1:59:21] can zoom in okay commission you have I believe you have the document in front of
[1:59:30] So again the original proposed had that the half mill for the general fund half mill for sci fi option two it focuses on the general fund and the question of whether to have an additional half mill increase for the county general fund should the commission elect not to have a half mill increase for the county general fund we've made a sort of recommended recommended adjustments that would account for the amount of revenue that would be reduced with
[1:59:58] which is that-
[2:00:00] 1,162,000 that is equivalent of half of a county mill. You can see in the adjustments column a series of adjustments across a number of different areas. No deep cuts in any one area. It would maybe slow or move out a couple of things a little bit, but it will allow things like our siren replacement program to continue. It would allow the sheriff to hire up to five additional staff from his requested six.
[2:00:28] It would remove the intergovernmental position and the performance management position that
[2:00:34] were in the introduced budget.
[2:00:36] And it would also include savings from more active management, if you will, of personnel
[2:00:44] vacancies.
[2:00:45] So, as an example, if there's a vacant position that comes open during the year, that might
[2:00:51] be held for a month before that's filled.
[2:00:54] And because all the positions in the budget are funded at 100 percent, that would generate
[2:00:58] hard-dollar savings that would be towards these targets here. And then the last
[2:01:03] item is the emergency radios. This is a large dollar ticket item. And so we had
[2:01:10] envisioned funding that partially with lease financing and partially with cash.
[2:01:16] So we would increase the amount of lease financing and that would
[2:01:19] generate an additional 500,000 in savings. So again the total of those
[2:01:25] adjustments equals and just just exceeds what the reduction target would be for the half
[2:01:31] mill on the county general fund side should the commission elect not to go that route of the half
[2:01:37] mill increase and open for questions if there are any on that one.
[2:01:45] So I have a point of clarification.
[2:01:51] on the Nile County General Farm when we had this conversation earlier, but I just want
[2:02:00] to see what my commissioners think.
[2:02:03] This 1.162 is the reduction target, which is half of
[2:02:10] the mill. But if you were not to do any mill,
[2:02:18] the expenses exceed the revenue currently
[2:02:21] for the county.
[2:02:24] I don't understand why we just don't put that number there that you would have to
[2:02:32] make the adjustments on instead of using that reduction target amount of the mill half a mill.
[2:02:39] I don't understand that.
[2:02:43] I don't have that document. I can't remember what that amount was.
[2:02:48] It is 946,000 dollars, Mary. Okay, so that amount is 946,000 dollars.
[2:02:54] In the number of it, Mayor Watson is talking about it, it's the deficit with not having
[2:03:00] the half of mill within the county general fund so it's a negative $946,000 and that means
[2:03:07] we have more expenses coming into revenues.
[2:03:12] So can't, why can't we just use that number instead of the 1.162?
[2:03:20] That is definitely possible.
[2:03:23] We could use that because if we use the 946,000 instead of the 1.1, then we have a positive
[2:03:34] that can be adjusted off the list.
[2:03:40] The difference between the...
[2:03:43] No.
[2:03:45] Okay.
[2:03:45] They don't understand.
[2:03:46] So I'm trying to help.
[2:03:47] Richie helped me help me help.
[2:03:48] So the difference between the $946,000 that we have
[2:03:53] a negative balance for in the county general fund
[2:04:00] and the $1.1 million just on the sheet,
[2:04:05] difference is like $225,000.
[2:04:08] That means we would have to cut $225,000 less.
[2:04:12] So some of these adjustments at county administrator houses
[2:04:16] just put out, we would not have to do.
[2:04:22] You follow me?
[2:04:23] So on that one sheet that he showed, they showed us
[2:04:26] where had somebody have theirs, I didn't bring it.
[2:04:31] Let me give it a try, Mayor.
[2:04:34] You want me to?
[2:04:35] Commissioner Ramirez.
[2:04:38] I guess I'm trying to understand where you're thinking.
[2:04:44] Or how this 946,000, that's a deficit.
[2:04:49] it. Why I guess I'm on the same line of view of why can't we find either reductions
[2:04:56] or reducing from that one nine hundred and forty six thousand since if we go to the
[2:05:02] route of we're not going to take a mill on the county, let's just revert back to the
[2:05:06] deficit of the revenues and expenditures. So that's where I'm I get I see where you're
[2:05:13] We're coming from there. It's kind of hard to describe it.
[2:05:18] Let me give it a try and budget can correct me.
[2:05:23] In the introduced proposed budget, we, well, Reggie, I'm going to, where's the 946 number come from?
[2:05:36] Some of the efforts between expenses and revenues.
[2:05:38] So if we if we don't have the additional half mill in the county general fund and did not cut in any expenses we be dipping into the fund balance 946,000.
[2:05:56] So that difference is the amount that you need to adjust in something to add to that.
[2:06:04] in the original proposed budget, we were adding to the fund balance.
[2:06:10] Remember, there was a positive.
[2:06:12] I know, I don't want to add to understand that mayor.
[2:06:15] I'm just explaining the difference between what a half mill is, which is 1162.
[2:06:19] I know what the half mill is.
[2:06:21] And the 946 is the distance.
[2:06:23] We weren't going to be adding to the fund balance if we don't do the mill.
[2:06:27] But if we do do the mill, then we add to the fund balance.
[2:06:31] Right. But I don't want to add to the fund balance.
[2:06:33] I want to just keep it flat, okay, and if you keep it flat with no mills, all right,
[2:06:40] we're still at a deficit of $946,542, right?
[2:06:47] So I'm just saying, with no mill, can that sheet just reflect that $946,000 deficit
[2:06:55] and you make the adjustment off of it?
[2:06:59] Does that make sense?
[2:07:01] Okay, because if you do it based off of that there's 225,000 additional you have to adjust and we don't need to do that because we're only short 946,000 and not 1.162.
[2:07:19] If you don't do them,
[2:07:25] well, I'm not short, but you know what I mean, negative.
[2:07:38] Yes, Commissioner Bynum.
[2:07:40] I appreciate where you're going.
[2:07:49] What would the...
[2:07:57] And before you say that, anything, I also want to address this.
[2:08:02] We don't, the intergovernmental relations position in the performance management positions
[2:08:07] are not existing positions or two new positions.
[2:08:12] So I say they don't even need to be on this document.
[2:08:16] We shouldn't be, they shouldn't be even considered
[2:08:19] because we can't afford it.
[2:08:20] So then really we're only looking at the rest of those items
[2:08:24] that would need to be adjusted.
[2:08:26] And because we do need more staff for the sheriff.
[2:08:33] I can see in the first three lines,
[2:08:36] you know where we could as you said we don't necessarily have to fund those
[2:08:42] first two positions. Thank you. But what I'm just trying to wrap my head around
[2:08:50] is I think the reason why the reduction target is 1.162 is because that's half a
[2:08:57] bill. Correct?
[2:09:01] Yes, that is it. And so option two says no half mill increase, therefore
[2:09:11] reduction of 1.162. And these are the items we wouldn't do within the county budget.
[2:09:19] But if we change that number from 1.162 million to 946,000,
[2:09:30] what kind of mill increase does that represent?
[2:09:35] There would be no mill increase.
[2:09:38] We would need a half mill increase at all if we were to like take it.
[2:09:43] If we took 946,000 dollars worth of reductions in the budget, we would need to have a mill increase.
[2:09:50] If we didn't take a mill increase and didn't make any reductions, we could also spend
[2:09:56] $946,000 from fund balance.
[2:09:58] Either way, we're pulling from fund balance.
[2:10:02] No, if we reduce the expenditures, we would not be from fund balance.
[2:10:09] And based on, at that point, if we did the $946 and had a flat mill levied, stop me
[2:10:20] when I'm saying something wrong, would we then turn it to
[2:10:25] administration and staff to identify the 946 that we wouldn't
[2:10:31] spend or are we to identify that tonight?
[2:10:36] We would identify that tonight, so again the goal being a budget
[2:10:40] adoption tonight, commission doesn't meet again until the 17th and
[2:10:44] pushing up on the state deadline, so it's really so you know that
[2:10:48] to add to 16 back in, you could add in the sheriff at 110, you're at 106 left and you could add
[2:10:57] that back in. Let's just say cash radios and you're done.
[2:11:08] Does that make sense?
[2:11:10] Well, I'm working on it. I think the thing that's confusing me in general about the options is,
[2:11:18] within option two is the half-mill for sci-fi in it or out of it.
[2:11:25] It's not part of it. Sci-fi is in a different fund and so that is still there.
[2:11:29] So that's its own vote? Yes.
[2:11:32] And half-mill for sci-fi is its own vote.
[2:11:35] I don't know if it's its own vote, but we would make the decision here.
[2:11:39] It's its own decision. So it was in the proposed budget.
[2:11:43] budget, the half mill for sci-fi was in the proposed budget, if the commission...
[2:11:47] So, what I'm driving at is if I said that I was in favor of option two, I would be
[2:11:53] saying that I'm in favor of the half mill for sci-fi.
[2:11:57] No, that's an independent decision of the half mill in the general fund.
[2:12:04] Because these don't, like I recognize that option three, we voted, we've already voted
[2:12:09] on that one, so it's off the table.
[2:12:11] correct. And so are we picking one of the remaining three options to vote on? Yes. So if
[2:12:21] there's the original proposed, some commissioners have expressed to desire to do the original
[2:12:28] as proposed, some commissioners have expressed the desire to do a flat mill levy. And then
[2:12:34] some commissioners have expressed the desire to have sci-fi. So we've got all.
[2:12:37] And my question is a flat mill levy would the option neither fund the half mill or sci-fi?
[2:12:49] That is correct. Okay, I'll wait for somebody to make a motion that I understand.
[2:13:04] Commissioner Ramirez.
[2:13:07] Thank you, Mayor. If we are going to go with the reduction target of 946 and
[2:13:17] 542, what would be those, as Alan said, the administrator said that we need to have those
[2:13:26] at decision tonight to pass the budget. So I would ask, are we can we verbally say what those
[2:13:34] reductions may be so that I can write them down for myself?
[2:13:38] My fellow Commissioner, what I just suggested was that we add back in the sheriff's position.
[2:13:44] So that's 110, and then you add 106 to the last finite item, which would be additional cash for the least purchase of the emergency radios, maybe an amount of 106,000.
[2:13:54] And that didn't that totals 216,000, which is the difference between the 1162 and the 946.
[2:14:08] Thank you.
[2:14:08] So to make it a little clearer, hopefully.
[2:14:15] So using the 946, that still was going to give us money to the balance, the 215, 216.
[2:14:27] So we don't do that, right?
[2:14:30] And the recommendation that Allen just articulated, the interim county administrator was that you would not do the intergovernmental, you would not do the performance management, but you would do the share of staffing so that negative 110 goes back in.
[2:14:47] you wouldn't do the reduction in siren and you would manage the positions through position
[2:14:57] and management, but you would change that five.
[2:15:00] 100,000 to a reduction of roughly 398. 398. So it would be more that we could do in cash, but
[2:15:15] we still need to do some of that in least finance. But that would be the how that sheet on
[2:15:21] option two would be adjusted. And not too many alternatives to that, but if you wanted
[2:15:26] they had the 50 back in for the siren, you said, you know, do that.
[2:15:29] And then just do less on the radio.
[2:15:31] So, or he just do the 946 and then whatever that difference of 225.
[2:15:38] Mary, that was the 946.
[2:15:40] That was the 946 for the 946.
[2:15:42] Okay.
[2:15:44] I'm talking about the 946 versus the, that matter, never mind.
[2:15:49] Commissioner Hill.
[2:15:54] Thank you, Madam Mayor Hill district four.
[2:15:57] I'm just trying to understand on the 75,500 I think the mayor mentioned that this intergovernmental
[2:16:09] relations position is really not a part of the budget or shouldn't be a part of the
[2:16:17] budget.
[2:16:19] It's in the 2027 proposed budget, so it was funded in the 2027 proposed budget, it would
[2:16:26] be a new position, so there's not a body in that position. So it would, by removing it,
[2:16:31] it would take it, it would count towards the 946 reduction number for both of those.
[2:16:37] And also note that both of those positions are ones that would be funded by the city and
[2:16:42] by the county by virtue of the position crossing and working in both areas.
[2:16:47] Okay,
[2:16:51] so I'm going to ask the question again. Maybe this time I'll understand your answer. So you're saying even though it's a part of the 2027 budget proposed budget, we've got to do something with it now.
[2:17:08] That's what you're saying.
[2:17:10] Right to hit the 946 reduction, which is if you don't include the half mill, so you have a flat mill rate.
[2:17:18] You've got to, you've got to take reductions out of the proposed budget in order to balance
[2:17:24] that out.
[2:17:25] And that would be the adjustments on the right column that would get you to this balance
[2:17:31] between expenses and revenues, so you're not dipping into fund balance in order to have
[2:17:36] a balanced budget.
[2:17:38] I don't know if that.
[2:17:45] Okay.
[2:17:48] Commissioner Cump.
[2:17:51] Thank you, Mayor.
[2:17:52] Come to it large.
[2:17:53] I'm following.
[2:17:54] I think, personally, what I'd like to see is still reducing entire half-mill balance and allocate the remaining 216K-ish to sci-fi.
[2:18:05] It's about 20% of what we budgeted for initially, but it is something.
[2:18:08] And my God, we haven't put anything to that for ages.
[2:18:14] Cut the entire 1162, 1.16, instead of the 946, right?
[2:18:21] But then take that difference from the 946-1162, which is about 216,000, and allocate that
[2:18:29] to the Sci-Fi fund.
[2:18:30] And don't raise the mill for the county at all.
[2:18:35] I was thinking I'd do.
[2:18:38] That's another option.
[2:18:39] I was thinking I'd do comp.
[2:18:41] Thank you.
[2:18:43] Commissioner Pacheco.
[2:18:45] Thank you, Mayor.
[2:18:46] Pacheco District 5.
[2:18:47] I've on the line item that says 400,000 adjustments through position management example holding vacant positions open for a period of time which departments are we considering for those?
[2:18:59] So that would be a county wide, you know, as vacancies come open, we have a 10 to 15% turn over rate on any given year and that happens across all departments.
[2:19:10] So it would be sort of active management across all those departments or vacancy savings.
[2:19:15] Thank you. Wouldn't be holding any position open vacant for a whole year. That's sort of thing. It's really on a rolling basis.
[2:19:21] Thank you. And then I will also say that for me personally, I would not support any savings on the line item that says reduce share of staffing increase to 550,000 versus 660,000. I just personally will not support any decrease in public safety.
[2:19:36] So, I'm not necessarily against the plan to get us kind of toward commissioner compass is going towards, but I just I don't want to do it on the backs of public safety. Thank you.
[2:19:50] Commissioner Ramirez.
[2:19:52] Thank you, Mayor.
[2:19:53] Mr. Racheco, I'm right there with you, I support you on that.
[2:19:59] But I think when the mayor's idea of us using that reduction target of the 946, 946,000,
[2:20:08] the administrator did bake into back that 110, back into the sheriff's staffing.
[2:20:16] so that would be null and void. The sheriff would still get his staffing, his request.
[2:20:25] That was, it's in the budget. If I'm correct, administrator, that's what that means.
[2:20:31] That sure, if I entirely track what you were saying, Commissioner, you would try that one more time.
[2:20:36] So, we're instead, if we were to use the 946,000 as the reduction target, we said one of the things was the 110 and then part of the radios to make up that to 16 so that 110,000 the sheriff would still keep that correct.
[2:20:58] Yes. Yes. So if we went with that route, Commissioner Pateco, there would be no reduction
[2:21:04] to the sheriff's request that's in the proposed budget.
[2:21:09] If we know, if we go that route,
[2:21:12] and it seems there's multiple routes at the moment.
[2:21:17] If you, if I understand Commissioner
[2:21:19] to restate what I think I heard, if you added that 110,000 back in for the sheriff,
[2:21:23] of that, off of the 216, you need to have 100 in 6,000 and are you suggesting that could
[2:21:32] be allocated for any number of things. It could be sci-fi, it could be radios, it could
[2:21:36] be siren.
[2:21:40] No, I thought you, when we had asked if how would we make up that 946, you would said from
[2:21:47] the shares, from the 110, because it's about the difference between the 1162 and the 946
[2:21:54] 46 is you said 216. Yes, and that would be about the sheriff's putting the sheriff's back in and then you said 106 from the radios.
[2:22:05] So that's where I that's where I was telling Commissioner Pateco.
[2:22:09] If we went that route, the sheriff would still keep his request and we would just lower a little lower the radios a little bit more.
[2:22:20] But again, if we were to go that route.
[2:22:30] Commissioner Davis.
[2:22:32] Thanks Mayor.
[2:22:33] I think I'm tracking.
[2:22:35] I guess the other or the trade-off would be if we don't go with the kind of current proposal
[2:22:45] than that does leave our reserves are cash and you fund balance, still just lacking.
[2:22:54] And I think that's probably the main concern that I have.
[2:23:02] The other thing is I'm fine with 110 for the sheriff because that does kind of
[2:23:08] get that request for that remaining, that would be what, $114,500, I would prefer we look
[2:23:16] at reducing our alliance on debt for those remaining dollars if we go that route as opposed
[2:23:23] to the staffing adjustments.
[2:23:25] And so I do see the siren, the radio siren replacement for $50,000, I think we would completely
[2:23:34] We fund that through cash if I'm reading that correctly, it wouldn't have to do lease
[2:23:38] financing.
[2:23:39] And then we could also lower the amount needed for lease financing for the emergency
[2:23:45] radios.
[2:23:46] And so that would be my preference for us to say yes to the sheriff and then use cash instead
[2:23:53] of debt for the radios and for the silence.
[2:24:00] Okay.
[2:24:03] Commissioner Pacheco.
[2:24:04] Well, thank you, Mayor Pacheco district five.
[2:24:09] Some would have a philosophical question, I just want to try to understand.
[2:24:15] I'm hearing what Commissioner Davis was just saying and I appreciate not wanting to
[2:24:22] trying to find a way to not have to use new debt as much as possible with what he's proposing
[2:24:27] and I agree with that.
[2:24:28] My, I guess, an aside to that, my question would be for staff here would be, does not increasing the mill, even by 0.5, limit our ability, does it limit our plan on our debt paydown?
[2:24:46] The current plan that we have to continually decrease our debt service that we've been successful at over the last few budget cycles.
[2:24:54] It does not affect it at all. Our plans still are planned.
[2:25:00] Okay, so that our debt pay down, our debt service pay down would still be just as good as it was and what can you give me the plan a little bit on that just exactly where we're at on that because I think it's important.
[2:25:13] So we did the first year. We did a pause, no debt. Second year, we limited it to $10 million. That's the year we're in.
[2:25:22] The year for 27, we're proposing $10 million. And then in the next year, we've got the capacity for 20, but that will be a discussion for you all at that time. But we're slow on path for that.
[2:25:35] Very good. Thank you. Commissioner Bynum,
[2:25:44] if we look at slide 23 from last week's budget workshop,
[2:25:53] no additional mill for the 27 budget expenses outpaced revenues by $946,542 and
[2:26:11] so we would be using our fund balance.
[2:26:15] to balance the county side of the budget.
[2:26:21] Mr. Finance, we're trying to identify some regressions so that we did not, so we had a balanced budget, structurally balanced.
[2:26:31] So rather than find 1.162 million, which would still have given us about 216,000 to go to the fund balance.
[2:26:41] Okay. We're taking you back off the table. Dr. Can even I'm sorry. Can you back up a little bit?
[2:26:49] Yeah. I want to I just am trying to thoroughly understand is that what that slide says on
[2:26:55] last week's budget workshop? Yeah. There it is. On that slide, what Commissioner Biden
[2:27:08] is saying is that if you look at what the amended is and you all have already taken you're going to
[2:27:16] take because that money's already cooked that 1.2 million for amended. You're already spent it. So
[2:27:23] that means you took money out of cash balance and we have $5,423,851. Now going to 2027 budget.
[2:27:34] the fund. If we took 946,000 out of the fund balance, we'd have 4 million left. What we're proposing
[2:27:43] here is we don't take the money out of fund balance. We leave that. We don't touch it. We just make
[2:27:50] the adjustments in the budget in the expenditures. Correct. That's the place where I was trying to get to.
[2:27:57] We would make the expenditure for 27 match the $102 million to $18,000 and that means finding
[2:28:16] $946,000 in expenses to cut.
[2:28:22] And so I don't, so I'll stop there.
[2:28:29] Commissioner Ramirez.
[2:28:31] Thank you, Mayor.
[2:28:33] Yes, correct.
[2:28:33] Commissioner Bonham.
[2:28:34] And I, and I just, and I think what Allen was using were the ones that he already proposed
[2:28:40] on the sheet.
[2:28:42] And so I asked him if there's any way staff could quickly redo the chart with the new numbers using
[2:28:49] the target of the 946 so that we, commissioners, can have a better view of it.
[2:28:56] So that we're not confused and Alan he's trying to work on that and it was kind of hard to do that in a quick real time.
[2:29:08] Just so that the community can see the new numbers, the new reductions of what's maybe proposed.
[2:29:15] Thank you, Commissioner Ramirez.
[2:29:16] If you can put the other sheep back up, and I know we're working on getting it in live form, if you will.
[2:29:26] But I think what's been suggested is two ideas so far. The 755 still stays negative. The 36,000 stays negative.
[2:29:37] We eliminate the negative 110, meaning we fund the share position, and then there's been two discussion items, the 50,000 either we fully fund the sirens or we reduce the sirens by 50.
[2:29:54] That's kind of I've heard two schools of thought.
[2:29:56] But the 400,000 stays negative.
[2:30:00] And then it depends on what you do with the sirens with what you would do on the emergency radios. And it would either be 334,500, instead of the 500,000, or it would be 386,386,500, if you wanted to eliminate, not eliminate the sirens or eliminate the sirens.
[2:30:29] both ways. You need to discuss if you want to keep the sirens in it and in or not. And then that'll change the number for the lease radios to make up for that 50,000 as that plans proposed or you come up with the whole new idea.
[2:30:43] But that's that's how the numbers would shake out.
[2:30:45] that
[2:30:52] you have it.
[2:31:00] Commissioner Pacheco.
[2:31:02] Thank you, Mayor.
[2:31:04] Pacheco District 5.
[2:31:05] So what I'd like to understand is kind of the mode of the commission as best as possible.
[2:31:12] Is there no interest in decreasing our commitment to sci-fi?
[2:31:17] The amount as commissioner comp essentially is proposing.
[2:31:22] I think some funding of it is better than nothing.
[2:31:27] And it gives us the opportunity to not dip into the fund balance similarly to our current
[2:31:34] option that we're kind of talking through.
[2:31:35] So, I'm not necessarily committed one way or another to be honest, but I mean, I do think
[2:31:41] it is a creative way to try to make the sheet balance.
[2:31:47] So Commissioner
[2:31:55] Ramirez.
[2:31:57] Thank you.
[2:32:00] Commissioner Cump, re-explain his idea.
[2:32:05] I think I am tracking, but having little trouble following, sorry.
[2:32:11] Mayor, Mayor.
[2:32:12] Yes.
[2:32:13] Commissioner Cump.
[2:32:14] Come to it large.
[2:32:15] So I just wanted to make sure.
[2:32:16] You're good.
[2:32:17] So the slide that we looked at from the projected forecast, if we don't raise a mill before we looked
[2:32:23] that these adjustments was, we are dipping into the fund balance approximately 946,000.
[2:32:29] With these adjustments, option two is what I'm talking about that are presented.
[2:32:34] They cut the expenditures by 1,162,000.
[2:32:39] My proposal is keep that cut, the 1,160,000, the difference between the 946, which is our
[2:32:53] 225, I'm not a math guy, I'm a numbers guy.
[2:32:56] And take that difference and put it into the sci-fi fund.
[2:33:00] It's not what we budgeted for initially, but it does fund sci-fi.
[2:33:05] And some capacity is still while keeping the mills flat.
[2:33:08] That's the essence of my proposal.
[2:33:12] Commissioner, buying them first in states, so to that end,
[2:33:19] And we would instead of finding 946,000 to cut, we'd cut all of these items to the tune
[2:33:31] of 1.162 so that we can carry 216 to sci-fi.
[2:33:38] And so I think you're to reiterate the cuts.
[2:33:46] the reduction in sheriff's staff
[2:33:48] being by $50,000.
[2:33:54] I'm sorry, by 110.
[2:33:59] And that's.
[2:33:59] And then that's the only one
[2:34:01] that's giving me the most heartburn.
[2:34:03] I really am kind of feeling strongly
[2:34:05] about the sovereign replacement program,
[2:34:07] but actually I do have a clarifying question for staff.
[2:34:13] Is that a, that's not a reduction in current sheriff's staff.
[2:34:16] That's a reduction in staffing increases.
[2:34:19] Correct.
[2:34:20] Yes, so we initially were going to unfree six positions and what this will be doing is
[2:34:25] in freezing five percent.
[2:34:27] Okay, so it's one, it's the, it's the, it's the one future higher.
[2:34:31] Okay, thank you.
[2:34:32] And I want to clarify a bit, sure, because if we're talking about cutting current staff,
[2:34:35] that will change my analysis.
[2:34:36] No, that's important.
[2:34:37] I appreciate it.
[2:34:38] Thanks.
[2:34:44] Oh, sorry.
[2:34:45] Mr. Stites.
[2:34:48] With the not having the desire, if that's what it was, to not reduce the 110, you have basically 216 if you went with Commissioner comes, if the desire was to not reduce share of that would take it down to 106.
[2:35:04] And if that 106 was then allocated to sci-fi, here's how those numbers break down.
[2:35:11] It's basically $53,000 to the city, $26,500 to Edwardsville and $26,500 to Bonna.
[2:35:20] There you go, that way you know the numbers, what they are.
[2:35:26] Thank you.
[2:35:27] Commissioner Davis.
[2:35:30] I appreciate the conversation.
[2:35:32] I think for sci-fi we should look at an equitable approach and just make sure that those numbers do line up so that the contributions of all cities are kind of equally distributed out.
[2:35:42] I don't think a 50% for Kansas City, Kansas would necessarily be equitable considering the
[2:35:51] sales tax and general fund contribution of Kansas City, Kansas. And so that would be kind of my
[2:35:57] comment on that if we go that route. The route that I was initially advocating for was to arrive at
[2:36:05] that 946. Yes to the sheriff, we cash finance instead of debt finance, the radio cyber
[2:36:14] replacement, and then we increase or decrease lease financing by 64,500 so that we are
[2:36:24] using cash and not going into debt. We would cut inter-government relations positions
[2:36:30] at $75,536K for the performance management, $400,000 for the adjustments for position management,
[2:36:39] and the least financing that number would be $4,300, $500.
[2:36:45] And that adds up to about $947,000, so we actually have $1,000 to spare.
[2:36:50] I think this would be a better approach, less debt, and the share of gifts,
[2:36:56] the positions that he needs for hiring.
[2:36:59] That would be my vote, Mayor.
[2:37:10] Okay, okay, I'm gonna let Commissioner Lopez go
[2:37:15] and then I have a comment.
[2:37:16] Commissioner Lopez.
[2:37:20] So, let me ask you, let me ask you this.
[2:37:25] Like 500,000, the increased lease purchase financing
[2:37:29] of emergency radios.
[2:37:31] What,
[2:37:35] I'm asking, I reached out to police and fire,
[2:37:39] which are on the radios, both of nothing. They're great.
[2:37:46] They're best on the market. So why are we increasing?
[2:37:54] Jennifer, to our emergency management. So all of the radios, the emergency management department runs the radios.
[2:38:01] And once left, we've cycled through, we worked the last three to four years on replacing all the handheld and mobile radios.
[2:38:08] So what is primarily left are the mobile radios for the fire department.
[2:38:12] So we are responsible for purchasing radios for police, fire, and sheriff's for Edward'sville,
[2:38:21] Bonner, and KCK. So that's
[2:38:24] kind of the tail end of what we need for replacement, and that would be the mobile radios for
[2:38:29] the fire departments.
[2:38:32] So that's that's what I'm asking the fire department some firemen responding back to me. There's nothing wrong with the radios.
[2:38:41] Well, the radios are handheld radios or their mobile radios all the above.
[2:38:46] Well, I don't know how savvy they are with the radios because the technology is aging. So we're reaching end of life on those radios.
[2:38:53] So this has been a years-long process, and it's the same way with the sirens and that
[2:39:00] the tech, it's not just a replacement of hardware at this point, it's a replacement of technology.
[2:39:04] And then with the radio, the infrastructure, the backhaul that we have to do, that is to
[2:39:10] keep up with technology.
[2:39:12] So they use the radio's day-to-day, but they work, and they may not understand the whole technology
[2:39:19] and how they're reaching end-of-life.
[2:39:20] So they are reaching end of life and then with those when we purchase those we can there's
[2:39:27] We work with a seller that we can get those
[2:39:31] Sold used radio sold and get money back
[2:39:33] So last year when our budget was cut for radios
[2:39:36] We were able to take the handhelds that we had sold those and proceed
[2:39:40] I think it was close to 300 thousand dollars put that money back in our budget to purchase more radios
[2:39:45] So when we buy them with cash
[2:39:47] how should we have them? We could do the same thing with the mobile radios as well.
[2:39:52] All right. Thank you. Thank you. So I'm what I'm looking at is it's reaching is not the
[2:39:59] at the end. So let's prolong it. This is push it off for the next budget and just
[2:40:04] omit that completely.
[2:40:08] Open what completely? The increased lease purchase
[2:40:12] finance of the of the emergency. Okay. Or we can find a grant. Well, I'm just saying just
[2:40:18] Oh, knit that completely. I mean, it's not it's not like dead in the water. Oh, so you're taking you're saying take it out. Yes.
[2:40:26] And wait till next year. Yeah, why not? I'm just saying, I'm just saying.
[2:40:33] And that's for the siren or the the the the the increase lease the increased lease purchase fine.
[2:40:39] Well, that's that a half a million. So, knit that. Oh, it'll
[2:40:45] Well, saying is it just puts a little bit back for us to work with and just push that for just I mean it's push it further out.
[2:40:52] It's reaching the end. It's not saying it doesn't have to be an expense in this.
[2:40:56] The next year's budget. Exactly.
[2:41:00] Okay. Well, that's a twist. Well, I'm just.
[2:41:05] I believe. Sorry, I don't have my button, but.
[2:41:09] Oh, you don't have a budget, but okay, Commissioner Perchecco and then County Administrator.
[2:41:17] Well, okay, are you wanting to respond to him? Okay, go ahead.
[2:41:21] And so my and Jennifer correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a multi-year project and it's
[2:41:28] It's less about the handheld radios and more about the back hall. Right. No, no, no, I understand. Yeah, but at the end of the day
[2:41:36] it's reaching
[2:41:38] But it's not at the end of the, you know, they're still good, they're still good.
[2:41:44] That'll give us time to have more money for next budget.
[2:41:48] And then we can focus on that next budget on that expense.
[2:41:57] And my understanding is with the last time when we talked about doing this multi-year program
[2:42:03] is what came up with one of the commissioners I believe at the time that we had an incident
[2:42:07] and with our first responders that were unable to communicate during a fire.
[2:42:12] So interoperability is very important.
[2:42:15] And like I said, they could turn it on and hear things, but the technology is changing
[2:42:19] and evolving, and there is an end of year of life on equipment.
[2:42:24] And so I don't know that putting this off another year, as we're at the tail end of a multi-year
[2:42:29] project, is what we want to do.
[2:42:31] So I hear that, yeah, I think we should follow up with, okay, I appreciate it.
[2:42:38] Thank you, Lopez.
[2:42:40] Thank you, Mr. Pacheco.
[2:42:42] Thank you, Mayor Pacheco District 5.
[2:42:44] Sorry, Mr. Starwater.
[2:42:45] I'm sorry to make you get up.
[2:42:47] It's okay.
[2:42:48] I appreciate you.
[2:42:50] If I recall during one of our initial, your initial, maybe budget presentation to us.
[2:42:55] It feels like forever ago, but probably it was only like a month ago or whatever.
[2:42:58] but wasn't part of the issue also that Motorola requires us to, like, there is a requirement also,
[2:43:08] right? Like, and then if not, then we pay not only, like, maybe some sort of a penalty,
[2:43:13] if I recall? Well, it gets confusing because there's at the same time that we're replacing new
[2:43:19] radios. And again, we've made our way all the way through the handheld, what's left
[2:43:23] after the mobile that go on their vehicles,
[2:43:25] but they're also the infrastructure
[2:43:27] that supports all of these radios.
[2:43:30] So that is going end of life in 2029.
[2:43:34] And that is a multi-million dollar,
[2:43:36] very expensive endeavor,
[2:43:39] but we are sort of out over a barrel with that.
[2:43:41] We have to do it.
[2:43:43] We have to do it,
[2:43:43] or the radios will not talk to one another and work.
[2:43:47] So we're working on that now with finance
[2:43:50] and, but that's a separate project.
[2:43:52] So they are both radio-related, but the back hall of the infrastructure is what we have to address,
[2:43:58] as well as the replacement, finishing out these mobile radios for the fire departments.
[2:44:04] Thank you. And I think I understand what Commissioner Lopez is getting to here. I mean, I get it.
[2:44:10] It kind of goes back to my usual point. People have probably made me hear many times at this point,
[2:44:15] but the cost to buy the radios next year will just go up. So if we delay something,
[2:44:19] it's just going to go up for us next year or the year after that.
[2:44:22] I mean, you can only delay something that's necessary for so long and then eventually
[2:44:25] you have to pay for it and if you wait two years and it costs you more.
[2:44:29] So, and in my personal opinion, I mean, I consider this part of our public safety, you know,
[2:44:33] obviously it affects the people who are providing the service within that realm intimately.
[2:44:39] So, this is not a part of the budget that I would personally want to tap into,
[2:44:45] but I appreciate your clarity on the subject.
[2:44:48] What, okay, so this is how I see this and the really what the amount on the
[2:44:58] the adjustment should be for me.
[2:45:00] Is because we have budgeted for more than the revenue that we have coming in, okay, which is why we are at a deficit of 946,000, 542.
[2:45:18] So for me, we, we can't afford a new position. So those shouldn't even be on the page as far as I'm concerned on the adjustments that 755 and that 36,000 should not be on there.
[2:45:31] So, if you just took the adjustments of the 110, the 50,000, the 400,000, and the 500,000,
[2:45:40] you get a total of 1,060, okay?
[2:45:45] Then you take that minus the 946, 542, which gives you 113, 458.
[2:45:54] that way you get to keep the sheriff,
[2:46:02] will you have right? Is that right?
[2:46:05] I said that right. Okay, so then you have the balance of 1-13-48.
[2:46:14] And then at 1-13-48,
[2:46:18] you do what with
[2:46:23] Commissioner Ramirez.
[2:46:25] Thank you, Mayor. We want to keep the 75,500 and the 36,000 for the two positions on there,
[2:46:34] because it's saying we're not funding those at all so we want to keep those on
[2:46:38] there. They shouldn't be on there as far as I'm concerned. We should add no
[2:46:41] positions. We ain't got the money for. But okay, but that okay. So with Allen now
[2:46:48] or the administrator just taking that back into the share. Yeah taking out the
[2:46:52] 110 and now there's still that what was the is it 113? It was like 113 or some left
[2:47:00] over that from those reduced, other three reductions, the 50, 400,000 or the 500,000 we can figure out where that 113 comes from.
[2:47:10] Well, but that one million sixty included that 110. So, yeah, yeah, put it on screen.
[2:47:21] 115 500. 115 500.
[2:47:28] Yeah, thank you.
[2:47:32] There it is.
[2:47:33] So now we have 1,500 and now we can decide if that goes back into the fund balance.
[2:47:39] Does it go toward debt or does it go somewhere else?
[2:47:45] What can it go to SAFA?
[2:47:51] Commission of Pacheco.
[2:47:53] Thank you, Mayor Pacheco.
[2:47:54] District five.
[2:47:55] I would just like to also ask staff by limiting to only to a flat mill levied by limiting
[2:48:05] ourselves to a flat mill levied.
[2:48:07] what does that do to the plan for the safer grants
[2:48:11] and how they would roll off within a couple of years?
[2:48:16] We would have 12 positions that we would be placing
[2:48:21] that we have in this budget.
[2:48:24] Okay.
[2:48:25] And we're calling from County.
[2:48:26] I apologize.
[2:48:27] We've got multiple city county things on here.
[2:48:29] So I apologize.
[2:48:30] I'm comprised.
[2:48:30] Yes.
[2:48:31] Okay.
[2:48:33] Thank you.
[2:48:33] I appreciate that.
[2:48:37] Okay.
[2:48:37] So now that we have the new numbers up there,
[2:48:39] Where do we put the one 155?
[2:48:44] What's the recommendation? SiPi, fund balance, debt,
[2:48:55] keep in
[2:48:56] mind that the option two already includes the revenue from the DMV so you can
[2:49:03] take option three off.
[2:49:07] And you can take option four off.
[2:49:15] Well I take the
[2:49:16] that unless y'all want to do the half a meal route.
[2:49:25] So if option 4 becomes option 3. Can
[2:49:29] it? Is that right, Ridge?
[2:49:32] Option 4 can become option 3 now. Yes. Okay. Commission
[2:49:41] So
[2:49:45] the $1,500 is that just money we have with the figure to go or is that $1,500 of more expenses we need to find reductions in money we have?
[2:50:03] Okay.
[2:50:04] Thank you.
[2:50:14] Commissioner Hill.
[2:50:17] Thank you, Madam Mayor.
[2:50:20] I just want to go back to
[2:50:22] something Commissioner Crump mentioned earlier suggestion.
[2:50:26] And since we've kind of rearranged the whole.
[2:50:30] Budget now, when it comes to sci fi.
[2:50:34] That one hundred and fifteen thousand five hundred is this an
[2:50:39] opportunity where we could.
[2:50:42] Apply that to sci fi or no.
[2:50:44] Yes.
[2:50:47] Right? Yes, we can. Okay.
[2:50:52] And just so you have those numbers that would be, if you divided it up at the 50, 25, 25, that would be, sorry, I didn't get recognized.
[2:51:00] That's quite a right, Mr. Sites. Do you have the floor?
[2:51:04] It's basically 58, 57, 750 to KCK if you want with the 50 and 28, 8 to each bonner and 28, 8 to Edwardsville.
[2:51:15] So one thing that I would add to, and I understand the, I think I understood what Commissioner
[2:51:25] Davis was saying about the, if, am I right and tell me if I'm wrong, did you, you don't
[2:51:31] think that the 50, 25, 25 is equitable, is that what we were saying?
[2:51:36] Yeah, I think if we were to look at contributions to the general fund that Kansas City, Kansas
[2:51:43] is just contributing more than 50%.
[2:51:46] That's the way that I see it,
[2:51:47] unless there's another formula, so all right.
[2:51:50] Yeah, and that's not ever,
[2:51:51] that's not how it was set up originally.
[2:51:54] It was set up by lane miles.
[2:51:57] Okay, so that it had an impact
[2:51:59] because sci-fi was originally set up
[2:52:02] for to do infrastructure repairs.
[2:52:07] Okay, so it's by lane miles.
[2:52:08] Right, and then if you think about the contributions
[2:52:11] that on the county side, I would venture to say that primarily most of the county functions occur in KCK versus going back to what you were saying most of the county functions occur within KCK versus Bonner and it's still awesome. That's all. Thank you.
[2:52:33] Welcome.
[2:52:36] Mayor, a clarification. Yes, Dr. Kinneven.
[2:52:39] So we gave a presentation to one of the committees and Commissioner Sites is right that
[2:52:44] originally what was proposed was based on lane miles, but the last time sci fi was approved
[2:52:50] the commission changed the formula. The 50%, 25% and 25% is not mathematically based on lane
[2:52:58] miles and I think for tonight what we'd be looking for is do you want to put
[2:53:03] funding towards sci-fi and then we can have a further discussion because it
[2:53:07] wouldn't be until January that we would be distributed and then we can have a
[2:53:11] discussion about what the formula should be or it and it could be in lesser's
[2:53:16] already consensus on the formula but there's time for that discussion that's all
[2:53:20] okay commissioners died and I do want to add because I don't I don't want to take
[2:53:24] away from our friends and family that live at Lake Rivera. They also get a
[2:53:30] portion of that. They sure do. Okay, so we can discuss how that's distributed
[2:53:36] later. Now, the question is, I need a motion on which option you all are going
[2:53:43] to choose. Option one, option two, or option three, and on option two, four is
[2:53:54] three now.
[2:53:59] I should force option three now. And we might as well have that.
[2:54:04] It's revenue neutral.
[2:54:07] Okay. Commissioner, buy them. And then Commissioner
[2:54:12] Ramirez. Commissioner, buy them. Thanks. I'm on the option that we're looking at
[2:54:16] with the reduction target of the 946,000. If it's leaving 115 five as a remainder,
[2:54:27] Why don't we just put it back into the reduction target?
[2:54:34] And then we have to find less.
[2:54:38] Am I right or wrong?
[2:54:44] Why can't we make the reduction target?
[2:54:47] 946,000 minus 115,500.
[2:54:52] You could, you could.
[2:54:53] That was another option.
[2:54:54] I'm just making the adjustments moving the adjustments on the in column.
[2:54:59] So if you added 115 back in across these, you would that would achieve the same result.
[2:55:06] What you're suggesting using the 115 five.
[2:55:13] And so using that to on the reduction target would mean doing less reductions in the adjustments.
[2:55:22] So they're adding, you know, not taking 50 out of the sirens and doing that and doing I see and leaving the the base reduction at the 946, the 946 is a fixed number.
[2:55:35] Gotcha. Okay. Thanks.
[2:55:39] You're welcome. Commissioner Ramirez.
[2:55:44] Thank you, Mary.
[2:55:47] I'm ready.
[2:55:48] Just make a motion. Please go from there.
[2:55:51] where it goes.
[2:55:55] I move to approve option B as presented on the screen. Option two.
[2:56:01] Option two. Sorry. Sorry. Using option two as presented on screen and using the remaining
[2:56:08] 115 500 for sci-fi with us to decide at a later date. A new formula for sci-fi. Okay.
[2:56:18] before I get a second, Commissioner Bynum has a question.
[2:56:22] Commissioner Bynum.
[2:56:23] Thank you.
[2:56:23] I'm just trying to clarify that option two means zero millivian crease.
[2:56:30] Correct.
[2:56:31] Correct.
[2:56:32] No half a mill for any of that.
[2:56:35] No.
[2:56:35] No half a mill for sci-fi.
[2:56:37] No milling crease.
[2:56:37] Zero mill increase.
[2:56:39] Thank you.
[2:56:41] You're welcome.
[2:56:42] Can I get a second for option two with a new number leaving
[2:56:48] have been a balance of 115-5 to be dedicated to sci-fi.
[2:56:54] Do it. Can I get a second hour second?
[2:56:57] Okay, it's been moved by Commissioner Ramirez and his second by Howard.
[2:57:03] Roll call, please.
[2:57:05] Roll call, Ramirez.
[2:57:06] Aye.
[2:57:07] Hill.
[2:57:08] Pacheco.
[2:57:09] No.
[2:57:09] Lopez.
[2:57:10] No.
[2:57:11] Stites.
[2:57:12] No.
[2:57:12] Davis.
[2:57:14] No.
[2:57:15] No.
[2:57:15] Fine them.
[2:57:17] Aye.
[2:57:18] Come.
[2:57:19] No.
[2:57:20] Howard.
[2:57:21] Aye.
[2:57:22] Burns.
[2:57:23] No.
[2:57:24] The vote is 46.
[2:57:25] The motion fails.
[2:57:26] Okay.
[2:57:27] So now we know that the 115 is not going to sci fi.
[2:57:31] Where is it going?
[2:57:40] There's a possibility it could go just go to fund balance.
[2:57:43] It could go back into the fund balance.
[2:57:45] That's a wonderful idea.
[2:57:54] Yes.
[2:57:54] Commissioner Davis.
[2:57:55] and then Commissioner Ramirez.
[2:57:58] Yeah, I would prefer fund balance
[2:58:01] or we just reduce what is on there.
[2:58:06] That is my reason for my voting.
[2:58:08] No, it's just let's figure out what we have before adding more.
[2:58:13] I would be curious to hear from my colleagues
[2:58:14] if they care to explain why they voted no.
[2:58:20] Commissioner Ramirez.
[2:58:22] Thank you, Mayor.
[2:58:24] I'm okay with going to fund balance.
[2:58:27] that helps us to help us build our fund balance just a little bit more.
[2:58:31] It's not going to fix the problem obviously.
[2:58:33] But it's a drop in the bucket that can help us get there a little bit quicker.
[2:58:37] So I'm not opposed to this for it going to fund balance or using that to find other.
[2:58:45] Okay, which one?
[2:58:47] I would support fund balance.
[2:58:51] Okay.
[2:58:52] I'll second that motion.
[2:58:54] Okay.
[2:58:57] Okay, move to approve option two as presented on the screen and using the remaining 115 500 to go to fund balance.
[2:59:08] Okay, it's been moved by Ramirez and second by Davis roll call, please roll call.
[2:59:15] Ramirez. Aye. Hill, Pacheco. No. Lopez. No. Stites. Davis. Aye.
[2:59:25] Bynum. Aye. Tom. No. Howard.
[2:59:31] Burns. No. The vote is 4 to 6 motion fails.
[2:59:35] Okay. So now the last one is that it goes into one of the items.
[2:59:43] Merimic emotion for option two is present in our packet to cut one million one hundred
[2:59:48] six two thousand and the remaining two sixteen goes to sci-fi.
[2:59:52] Okay, can I get a second?
[2:59:55] I have a question, Commissioner Biden will come back.
[3:00:00] I helped answer that question because I was hoping to hear a motion from one of the no votes of what they wanted.
[3:00:11] Okay, can I get a second? Mayor, if he can clarify his motion to 225.
[3:00:18] Yeah, 225. Then the 225 to do it again. Okay, I think a motion for option to as presented in our paperwork. To cut one million.
[3:00:33] and 162,000 and the remaining 225,000 goes to sci-fi.
[3:00:38] Well, I had presented earlier.
[3:00:39] Howard, second.
[3:00:43] Okay, this has been moved by
[3:00:46] come and second by the check-o.
[3:00:49] Howard, Howard.
[3:00:50] I'm sorry, Howard, sorry.
[3:00:53] Roll call, please.
[3:00:54] Roll call.
[3:00:55] Wait, I got a question.
[3:00:57] Commissioner Hill.
[3:01:01] Hill, this is for thank you, Madam Mayor.
[3:01:04] here. Commissioner Crump helped me to understand why you preferred this over the other one over
[3:01:11] the one we just voted on with the 946. You're saying keep it at 6 at 1162. Yes. So just
[3:01:20] explain to me. Yeah, I mean either way this is one thing. Sure. Sure. Either way we're not
[3:01:28] increase in the meal. Right. Right. So I just need to know and I want our constituents to know
[3:01:36] why is this something you would prefer? Sure. Happy to. So with this proposal, it
[3:01:44] does the adjustments as proposed in our paper here, not the ones on the screen, but the ones we got
[3:01:48] in our packet, which includes the reduction to increasing the frozen sheriff from six to five
[3:01:55] positions and that gives us an after balance and after break even balance of 225,000 and I want
[3:02:02] that 225,000 for sci-fi instead of the I think the last mission was one 15-ish. That's the difference.
[3:02:10] So your focus was really sci-fi here. Yeah. Funding that better. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. And I know we
[3:02:17] can discuss how it's allocated later but that's my focus. Yeah. Thank you. I just want to say one thing
[3:02:23] in that. So you are okay with proposing to create two new positions, but now canceling them out.
[3:02:33] Because the inter-government relations and the performance management positions are newly
[3:02:37] created positions. This what we're looking at is just the adjustments from the proposed 27 budget.
[3:02:42] So those positions that are removed are removed from the budget we've been presented. So they're
[3:02:47] don't exist and my proposal is that they won't exist either. This is just this adjustments in relation
[3:02:54] to what we've been proposed previously.
[3:02:57] Okay.
[3:02:59] Commissioner Stites.
[3:03:01] Stites District 7, I think that if, and I'm not saying which I all vote or not, but I think what I would be more palatable to some that would probably say, find the $110,000 amongst the other line items and option B that would then fully fund the sheriff's department.
[3:03:25] the request. But if you take, I mean, you've got, yeah, which view you would take
[3:03:32] out those other two positions because that equals a hundred and ten five.
[3:03:51] But also, if we were to be able to push off the radios again for one year, it's a million
[3:03:58] dollars.
[3:04:02] That's all. Are we taking a big risk when we do that?
[3:04:08] I mean, we weren't expecting
[3:04:10] in a microverse in the summer?
[3:04:14] Mayor, to support what Jennifer said, Shelley,
[3:04:17] can even CFO, it's a bigger project.
[3:04:21] And we have to replace, we don't have a choice
[3:04:24] on the back end of the system.
[3:04:25] We've met with Motorola.
[3:04:27] The system will shut down in 29.
[3:04:30] And this relates to that.
[3:04:33] I think Jennifer was responding mostly to.
[3:04:36] Commissioner Lopez, you said the radio seemed to work fine.
[3:04:39] And why is that?
[3:04:40] And so she was explaining a little bit more, but these dollars are very much related to release financing that hole back in. It's like a $14 million dollar project.
[3:04:51] And we have to finance it over a period of years. So the question in front of you is we because we also have a debt strategy.
[3:04:58] instead of lease financing we were going to put as much cash towards that big
[3:05:04] project as we could and then lease finance the rest so it'll hit our budget
[3:05:08] every year okay and what you're discussing is that you will or won't do this
[3:05:16] amount of money towards cash but either way we've got to do the expenditures we can
[3:05:22] either reduce the amount in cash and do the lease purchase but we have to buy
[3:05:27] it and get it implemented by 29 because that's a similar shutdown.
[3:05:33] And I don't know if you want to go further deeper Jennifer knows my other saying is just put it off one more year so we have to do it next year because next year will be will be playing for 2028.
[3:05:45] Just offer additional, so in the earlier option, if you all had not approved the DMV, one
[3:05:54] of the savings, which was about 400,000, was to just additionally do more lease purchase
[3:06:00] on those radios, so use debt more, less cash.
[3:06:04] So, Mr. Sites, to your point, it is possible that we could use more lease financing tool
[3:06:12] on the radio purchase and that would just play this in real-time here.
[3:06:22] Reduce
[3:06:23] that, the
[3:06:30] Sheriff one, and then increase the amount that we're doing on at least
[3:06:33] financing on the radios to offset that. Does that make sense?
[3:06:42] I'd like to hear more about that.
[3:06:45] I mean, if that's an option, I'd rather...
[3:06:47] didn't that far. I'd rather explore that and then fund the share of fully. I think that's kind
[3:06:53] of the. We are fund in the share. Not in my motion. We're not. I know yours. Yeah. So I'll withdraw my motion.
[3:07:01] Thank you. Clark. Got it. Okay. Commissioner Davis. Okay. So I want to preface before I make my
[3:07:09] motion. So no mill levy increase. No mill. That is no mill increase. Okay. I think there's
[3:07:16] majority. Okay. That's a big one. Okay. No male heavy increase heard loud and clear.
[3:07:23] The $110,000 for the sheriff is added. Right. So it's gone. Keep it gone. The radio site,
[3:07:33] yeah, this is basically what's up here. The radios are not funded by debt. They are funded by cash,
[3:07:41] that 50,000 is cash. We don't take up debt. Everything else we reduce.
[3:07:46] That would be my motion.
[3:07:49] No male heavy increase, yes to the sheriff,
[3:07:52] yes to the radio, siren replacement using cash,
[3:07:55] everything else we cut.
[3:07:57] That's my motion.
[3:07:58] Is this reflect your motion, Commissioner?
[3:08:02] Yes, yes, that does reflect my motion.
[3:08:06] Commissioner Pacheco.
[3:08:08] Thank you, Mayor Pacheco, District five.
[3:08:10] And then just for clarity, Commissioner Davis,
[3:08:12] then what we're saying on the emergency radio funding,
[3:08:16] We're still fully funding it.
[3:08:18] We're just saying that we're using leasing, more leasing instead of cash to do it.
[3:08:24] That's how you understand it.
[3:08:26] Yes, yes.
[3:08:27] You're talking about that $500,000.
[3:08:29] Correct.
[3:08:29] Yes, yes.
[3:08:30] That would remain.
[3:08:31] Which does not affect our ability to purchase the emergency radios which are important to our public safety personnel.
[3:08:36] It does not because it just means we're not using cash the fund they were using them.
[3:08:41] Very good.
[3:08:42] I appreciate that.
[3:08:43] I would second.
[3:08:44] Did you make a motion?
[3:08:45] Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Okay, I have a question. Commissioner Hill and then Commissioner comp. Oh, no, Commissioner Hill. Yes, Commissioner Hill. Thank you, Madam Mayor and Hill District for Commissioner. I'm just trying to find out this. Make sure I understand you said cut everything else that that mean cut sci-fi or no. So in this scenario sci-fi would not be included and that means according to your motion. Yes, I was not included.
[3:09:15] If I would not be included, is there a bet there should be a balance if I'm not mistaken now at the bottom, right?
[3:09:24] This is the reduction target is 946 524 542. Sure. Okay. So yes, sci-fi would not be included just because we wouldn't be able to afford it. We're not we can't cut something that we currently are not doing or did not have dollars to fund.
[3:09:41] And so that's why sci-fi would not be included for this motion unfortunately.
[3:09:53] Okay.
[3:09:54] So it's been moved by Davis and second by who?
[3:09:59] Pacheco.
[3:10:00] Roll call plea.
[3:10:01] Oh.
[3:10:03] Stites.
[3:10:04] Does in that motion.
[3:10:06] Does that still.
[3:10:07] And I'm thinking it is because it's still left up here.
[3:10:10] The 75 five and the 36 for the two positions.
[3:10:14] That's still in your motion to fund.
[3:10:17] No.
[3:10:17] No, they're gone all of that is all of that is is subtracted so it's not funding at all correct
[3:10:24] Those are reductions
[3:10:27] But it's still funded the sheriff's department yes, yes, okay. I guess I just want to be I just wanted to be
[3:10:33] With no really clear before I yeah, it's funding the sheriff and it's funding the siren replacements and
[3:10:45] they reduced the
[3:10:47] Emergency radios from a half a million to four thirty four five
[3:10:54] All right, so we have a motion or option two as it is presented on the screen.
[3:11:04] It's been moved by Davis and second by the check.
[3:11:08] Oh, roll call, please roll call, Ramirez.
[3:11:12] I hill.
[3:11:15] I check the check.
[3:11:18] Oh, I opus.
[3:11:20] I.
[3:11:21] Stites.
[3:11:22] No.
[3:11:22] Davis.
[3:11:23] I.
[3:11:24] Finems.
[3:11:25] I.
[3:11:26] Come.
[3:11:27] Nope.
[3:11:27] Howard.
[3:11:28] I burn so the voter 73 the motion carries.
[3:11:36] All right we've got a county budget.
[3:11:41] Right now we're going to move on to the city.
[3:11:51] All right okay. I'll just kind of open this up here
[3:11:56] kind of a similar structure on the city side where zoom in here a little bit. There's
[3:12:04] The original option as proposed, which added a mill to the city general fund, I think there was broad agreement that was not the preferred option option to does not add a mill to the city general fund and these are suggested adjustments that reach the reduction target of one mill on the city general fund, which is $2,504,500 the other option related to.
[3:12:34] to no mill increase is similar except it uses $1 million in fund balance and makes a
[3:12:43] series of reductions that would total that same $2 million, $54,500 to achieve a balanced
[3:12:52] budget.
[3:13:13] Okay.
[3:13:14] Commissioner Ramirez.
[3:13:15] But before we get into the city, I need to refer to the legal for clarification and for
[3:13:24] us to do this appropriately. Thank you Mayor. The Commission chose the option with that but they
[3:13:31] didn't adopt the the rest of the budget or the amended budget so if they could do the if someone
[3:13:40] could the amended 26 adopt the 2027 with the revisions also noted. So what we did was we
[3:13:52] So can you tell me what the language should be for us to do?
[3:13:57] Well, we're adopted, we need to adopt, I need a motion to adopt the 2026 amended budget.
[3:14:03] And you can do it as, you could do it as one, the proposed motion for adoption would be to adopt
[3:14:10] As stated in the resolution, the amended 2026 budget and the 2027 budget as amended with adoption to or wind at county.
[3:14:27] And someone could just adopt that proposal.
[3:14:29] Okay, I need a motion.
[3:14:31] Okay, so it's been moved by Ramirez and second by Davis as stated from our legal counsel to adopt
[3:14:42] a resolution to amend 2026 and adopt 2027 but for the county, roll call please for the county,
[3:14:53] roll call please.
[3:14:55] Roll call.
[3:14:55] Ramirez.
[3:14:56] As an option to.
[3:14:57] Hill.
[3:14:58] Pacheco.
[3:15:00] Aye. Lopez.
[3:15:02] Aye. Dights. No. Davis. Aye.
[3:15:07] Bynum. Aye. Com. No. Howard. Aye. Burns. No. The vote is 7 to 3, the motion carries. Thank you.
[3:15:16] Ramirez.
[3:15:19] Thank you, Mayor. Going to the fashion of what we were just doing, what is on the city side?
[3:15:26] What is the deficit between expenses and revenue?
[3:15:31] Reginald Liz, the Unified Government Budget Director is $1,971,234.
[3:15:38] Say that one more time.
[3:15:42] $1,971,234.
[3:15:45] Okay.
[3:15:49] And again, I think we should, that should be our starting point.
[3:15:58] And what would be the difference between the two of five four, if not here on the screen?
[3:16:07] It's the 83, 766.
[3:16:11] Allen and he had he Allen has it on screen and is eighty three thousand seven sixty six.
[3:16:23] So we would just so
[3:16:30] the difference is a three thousand seven sixty six commission or
[3:16:32] by them. Mayor I would like to make a motion to adopt option two.
[3:16:41] and where would you designate the balance of
[3:16:55] $83,000?
[3:16:57] Where would I designate the balance of $83,000?
[3:17:01] Back to the balance.
[3:17:06] Second.
[3:17:09] Mayor, we would need the formal motion.
[3:17:12] And here I would move that we adopt the amended 26 and the 2027 budget as option two with no additional mill to the city general fund and the ordinance setting out the same for the city or the city of Kansas City, Kansas.
[3:17:40] Thank you with the 83,000,000,000, 766,000.
[3:17:50] Okay, is then moved by by them and second by Ramirez.
[3:17:56] Role called, oh question.
[3:17:58] Davis.
[3:17:59] So sorry, real quick.
[3:18:00] The do not fund one additional economic development position.
[3:18:04] What position was that?
[3:18:11] Is your mic on?
[3:18:13] It was the, there's two and they're pretty much interchangeable.
[3:18:18] I think the small business one, the other one is the management analyst.
[3:18:22] Okay, so just one of those would be, there'd be a net increase of one in economic development.
[3:18:27] There's two positions in the proposed budget for economic development.
[3:18:30] This would remove one of those two positions.
[3:18:32] That's just so staff would have to choose between those two.
[3:18:35] But there would be additional capacity added.
[3:18:37] That's correct.
[3:18:38] Okay, thank you.
[3:18:40] Roll call, please.
[3:18:42] Roll call, Ramirez.
[3:18:43] Aye.
[3:18:44] Heal.
[3:18:44] Aye.
[3:18:45] No.
[3:18:47] No.
[3:18:48] No.
[3:18:51] No.
[3:18:54] No.
[3:18:56] No.
[3:18:58] No.
[3:18:59] No.
[3:18:59] No.
[3:19:00] No.
[3:19:00] No.
[3:19:01] The vote is three to seven.
[3:19:02] The motion fails.
[3:19:03] Okay.
[3:19:05] All right.
[3:19:06] What are we doing?
[3:19:10] For those knows what is your new motion?
[3:19:12] Or what is your new proposal?
[3:19:18] I just wanted to understand further what is the risk of reducing the police server infrastructure and deferring on has mad equipment purchases risk and also technically what those mean.
[3:19:37] And where's your question before the hazmat?
[3:19:41] The reduction in police server infrastructure from 175 to 100K.
[3:19:48] So that is definitely something that we looked at and thought that we could push out to next
[3:19:53] year.
[3:19:54] And then with the hazmat same case as far as those both items that we thought we could push
[3:20:02] out to the next year without closing.
[3:20:04] Based on what?
[3:20:06] Just based on that, there's something that we would not have to, like, there's no urgency
[3:20:14] for it.
[3:20:16] Both are multi-year kind of initiatives, so if you look at the capital plan, for example,
[3:20:23] in the hazmat, there's a four or five-year kind of purchase cycle, the server infrastructure
[3:20:29] same thing. This is not eliminating that by reducing it and there's, you know, it's a multi-year kind of project as they're moving more stuff to the cloud as well.
[3:20:40] Very good. And then now that I'm in city mode one more time. Could you please one more time? And I know I asked this a lot, but could you please tell me the plans for what we will do with positions in the fire department when safer grants eventually retire?
[3:20:57] with this proposed budget of option two.
[3:21:00] So you did ask a question a little earlier and there was,
[3:21:06] there was no impact on the county side for that.
[3:21:09] So it was asked on the county budget.
[3:21:11] So here, correct.
[3:21:12] City General Fund, we do have like 12 additional positions
[3:21:17] that are in the budget.
[3:21:19] There are 17 that are expiring and we do have 12 additional
[3:21:23] positions along with overtime to fill the 17 positions.
[3:21:29] Yeah, so it does put an increased dependence on overtime in order to meet the service
[3:21:36] demand.
[3:21:36] Is that correct?
[3:21:37] Yes.
[3:21:38] Thank you.
[3:21:43] Commissioner Davis.
[3:21:45] I don't know if anybody else feels this way about just saying I really, really think we
[3:21:49] need to think seriously about investing in our economic development department.
[3:21:55] Whether it's the management analyst or the small business position, I think those positions,
[3:22:03] I know we talk about generating revenue, and we talk about bringing more dollars in,
[3:22:09] we're going to need expertise to make that happen.
[3:22:13] And so I know on paper this looks like dollars out the door, but if you get somebody that's
[3:22:18] really, really good at doing their job, and they attract more development and more businesses
[3:22:23] is here and help us refine our strategy and process their position more than pays for
[3:22:29] itself. And so that's why I would like at some sort of leeway of us making those investments
[3:22:39] in our economic development department. I'm assuming staff that option 3 does assume that
[3:22:47] at that position is funded?
[3:22:51] Or am I misreading?
[3:22:55] Yeah, that's correct.
[3:22:56] Yes, it does.
[3:22:57] It does.
[3:22:58] So, again, doesn't have to be that could be some mix,
[3:23:01] but that's just one idea.
[3:23:03] I know we talk about we need to invest in revenue.
[3:23:06] We need to invest in bringing more dollars in.
[3:23:09] This is a way for us to do that in my opinion.
[3:23:12] Commissioner Ramirez, thank you.
[3:23:15] Thank you, Mayor.
[3:23:16] So, with
[3:23:21] no kind of jumping off Commissioner Pateco's questioning to a lot of numbers and everything's being thrown around and I'm getting confused.
[3:23:33] So, if with no mill increase at all, are we still funding safer positions?
[3:23:42] Yes, that is correct and it would be at the 12 positions that we just discussed.
[3:23:48] But
[3:23:50] in option three, you're also taking a million out of the fund balance.
[3:23:55] That's what you want to do.
[3:24:05] Commissioner Cump.
[3:24:07] Commissioner Cump, just clarifying an option to how many positions in economic development
[3:24:13] were budgeted initially.
[3:24:15] It was two positions, correct?
[3:24:17] Yes.
[3:24:18] So this removes one of those, so there's still a net gain of one.
[3:24:21] All right.
[3:24:21] Thank you.
[3:24:24] Commissioner Cump.
[3:24:25] What would be your suggestion?
[3:24:26] I'm going to defer to my colleagues.
[3:24:35] Okay, colleagues.
[3:24:38] What are you deferred to?
[3:24:43] I need a motion.
[3:24:46] What are we concerned about?
[3:24:48] For you, knows, what are you concerned about?
[3:24:51] Where's the revenue neutral option?
[3:25:00] We don't have a revenue neutral option because you voted to increase.
[3:25:04] Well, you didn't, but the commission board voted to increase revenue neutral.
[3:25:08] So that's not an option.
[3:25:14] Mayor, if I could just add an option three here, this fund balance, the million dollars is basically a plug number for fund balance.
[3:25:22] So that that number can float to whatever the commission decides.
[3:25:27] So if there were things in this list here that you said are priorities and you wanted to fund it.
[3:25:32] I mean, you've got 83, 766 remaining, and then if there's other stuff that you wanted
[3:25:39] to add, that would be from fund balance.
[3:25:42] So I'm just giving you kind of additional options.
[3:25:52] Can you understand that?
[3:25:55] I don't want us to take any money out of fund balance.
[3:26:00] That's my recommendation.
[3:26:01] So if we need the question is where do we cut where the deficit is which is one million nine hundred and seventy one dollars and two hundred and thirty-four cent with no meal and
[3:26:22] he cut one point nine million.
[3:26:23] So the question is where are we where are we cutting that.
[3:26:45] But we had a motion and y'all shot it down.
[3:26:47] So because
[3:26:59] if you if you add all of that together, that's two million fifty-five, but the minus the
[3:27:08] 1.9 is 83,000. That's still for it.
[3:27:15] It's still a 83,000 dollar difference.
[3:27:25] You're right. So that 83, 766 could go to Hasmad. It could go to the police server infrastructure.
[3:27:31] I mean, it could go to any of these. Yeah, because you guys didn't want to put why wouldn't you want to put
[3:27:36] the 83,000 back into the fund balance. We're below the 25% target that we should be at.
[3:27:44] We should be at 45 million and we're not. So why wouldn't you want to put that money
[3:27:49] and start increasing our fund reserve for those increases?
[3:28:00] Why wouldn't we want to do that?
[3:28:03] If not, where do you want, where exactly do you want the 83,000 to go?
[3:28:25] Do you want to put it back
[3:28:26] I can say economic development so you can add another person, but at that rate.
[3:28:32] Yes, Commissioner Low, I'm sorry, Commissioner Howard and then Commissioner Lopez.
[3:28:37] Howard district one, I would be in favor of the 83,000 us left over.
[3:28:42] I am very much so in favor of putting that into economic development.
[3:28:46] Just to echo my colleague Commissioner Davis's point that if you have somebody in that position, that can do their job.
[3:28:55] Then I think that'll change things, but yeah, I'm in favor of putting it towards the economic development how much we can decide that, but
[3:29:04] That's why I said no, okay
[3:29:08] Commissioner Lopez
[3:29:10] We're where we actually thought where are we at with with a grant writer?
[3:29:17] Good question
[3:29:18] Is that already in the budget? Yes, that is where that remains the grant writer position remains
[3:29:23] say what? It already remains. It's in the budget already. It is not one of the
[3:29:30] positions. The grant writer position is not one that was proposed to the
[3:29:33] grant writer is still in play. Yep. You just got to go find one off the street
[3:29:40] and get one going on. Okay. Commissioner Howard. Howard District 1 ICA. How's
[3:29:48] Can you talk about the state of the economic department
[3:29:51] and why I guess it would be important to add,
[3:29:58] I guess, put more.
[3:30:00] I'll put more of the fund into the economic department. Yeah, where are we at with the, I mean, the, why we added two positions in economic development is, or, you know, the reasons that you all have already articulated, which is our economic development is long term, not even long term, the way that we need to reduce the financial pressures by generating more revenue. And so there is a lot of activity.
[3:30:29] economic activity in the community and we have a very small economic development department.
[3:30:37] I'm going to say what five people may be six with land bank. So for a community our
[3:30:47] size, it's a pretty small, it's a very small department and there's additional opportunities
[3:30:53] to support economic developments by adding, not a lot, but adding some additional capacity
[3:31:00] in that department.
[3:31:01] Sure.
[3:31:02] Sure.
[3:31:03] And that's why I would be in favor of the rest of the one that economic development.
[3:31:07] Thank you, Mayor.
[3:31:08] Okay.
[3:31:09] Would you like to make a motion?
[3:31:19] Yeah.
[3:31:20] Well,
[3:31:23] somebody make a motion.
[3:31:25] You make a motion?
[3:31:27] Yeah.
[3:31:30] Thank you, Mayor.
[3:31:31] You're welcome.
[3:31:32] I move, people can help me, move to approve the 2026 city amended budget and the 2027 city amended budget with option two using the remaining 83,766 to go towards funding the additional economic development position.
[3:32:01] in the ordinance and the ordinance setting up the same and that and the ordinance setting.
[3:32:09] Yes.
[3:32:10] Hours second.
[3:32:11] Okay.
[3:32:11] So it's been moved by Ramirez and second by Howard but before commissioner sites.
[3:32:18] So the only thing that I would just like clarification on so that at 83 doesn't make up the 120.
[3:32:24] Are you trying to find the other.
[3:32:25] are 40 roughly or is that, I mean, no, because that doesn't fund the full person, the
[3:32:36] two. So, I mean, do we need to make up somehow, because 83,000, 120 minus 83 doesn't fund
[3:32:45] that position?
[3:32:48] Make sure, Davey.
[3:32:51] Oh, I was just going to say, again, I think adding capacity is where we need to add capacity.
[3:32:55] So it doesn't have to be at the director level.
[3:32:58] They could be two management analyst positions.
[3:33:00] It could be somebody does the small business coordination
[3:33:04] and somebody else does some other work.
[3:33:06] But it doesn't have to be that.
[3:33:08] I would support the motion in the second.
[3:33:12] You okay with that, Commissioner Sites?
[3:33:15] I'm okay with the answer.
[3:33:16] I just didn't know if you were trying to solve for 120 results.
[3:33:21] Okay.
[3:33:21] If we were to solve for 120,
[3:33:23] 20, where do you think the other 40,000 would come from?
[3:33:28] There's no more to solve.
[3:33:31] I mean, if you're putting the 83 towards a position,
[3:33:35] and that's the number that you have,
[3:33:38] that's the one to make sure that everybody knows
[3:33:41] that whenever you add that position, right,
[3:33:43] it's 83 this year going towards that position,
[3:33:47] but that's ongoing year after year after year, right?
[3:33:50] So I mean if you if you made up if if it is a 120 number
[3:33:56] I mean you're going to have to make that up in the next one but if it's at the 83 is funding you know that that 83 is the number that you're solving for for the additional years.
[3:34:07] So I get it.
[3:34:09] Okay.
[3:34:12] Okay, it's been moved from her mayor's and second by Dave his roll call please.
[3:34:19] Second by Howard.
[3:34:20] I'm sorry second by how are my bad roll call Ramirez aye Hill high a check-o no
[3:34:29] Lopez no
[3:34:31] Stites Davis I
[3:34:34] Item I
[3:34:36] Come no Howard I
[3:34:40] Burns no
[3:34:43] The vote is five to five mayor
[3:34:45] ah
[3:34:46] The vote is six to five the motion carries
[3:34:59] Okay.
[3:35:04] Okay. So now we are,
[3:35:10] next we have the approval of a resolution setting the BPU percentage of gross revenues set over by BPU to the UG for 2027.
[3:35:21] Any members of the commission have any questions or comments here and not I need a motion.
[3:35:36] second. Okay, it's been moved by Howard. Y'all listening?
[3:35:41] Sit down there, talk.
[3:35:44] It's been moved by Howard. It's second by, who's seconded? Remarice.
[3:35:49] Roll call, please. Roll call. Remarice. Hi. Hill. Hi. Pacheco. Hi. Lopez. No. Stites. No. Davis. Hi.
[3:36:00] Okay.
[3:36:01] Item.
[3:36:02] Aye.
[3:36:02] Come.
[3:36:03] Aye.
[3:36:04] Howard.
[3:36:05] Aye.
[3:36:06] Burns.
[3:36:06] No.
[3:36:07] The vote is seven to three.
[3:36:08] The motion carries.
[3:36:10] Thank you.
[3:36:11] Next, I'll entertain a motion for the self-supported municipal improvement district budget.
[3:36:17] How are we so moved?
[3:36:18] Give a second.
[3:36:19] All right.
[3:36:19] It's been moved by Davis and seconded by Howard.
[3:36:25] Roll call, please.
[3:36:26] Oh, Mr. Biden thinks just to clarify, since the smith, as it exists right now, expires
[3:36:36] on 1231 of this year, this vote to approve their millevy rate would be contingent on
[3:36:47] this board voting next month to continue the smith.
[3:36:53] is that correct? I got a lot of heads nodding so correct. Okay, thank you.
[3:37:00] Roll call please. Did you did you say that if would you say what you just thought at
[3:37:06] the end? The submit as it exists right now expires at the end of this year. This
[3:37:12] vote is for next year's Mill Lovey, right? So this vote only takes effect if we
[3:37:18] vote next month to continue this mid.
[3:37:24] That's all I'm just
[3:37:25] and they're and they're rate if I'm not mistaken was revenue
[3:37:29] new. They adopted revenue neutral. We're not a fan of
[3:37:31] thank you recommended revenue neutral. Thank you. Okay.
[3:37:35] Okay. Roll call please. Roll call. Remarice. Hi. Hill.
[3:37:40] Hi. Pacheco. Hi. Lopez. Hi. Dice. Hi. Davis. Hi.
[3:37:45] All right.
[3:37:45] Item.
[3:37:46] Aye.
[3:37:47] Come.
[3:37:47] Aye.
[3:37:48] Howard.
[3:37:48] Aye.
[3:37:49] Furns.
[3:37:49] Aye.
[3:37:50] Tend to zero.
[3:37:50] The motion carries.
[3:37:54] All right.
[3:37:55] Now, entertain a motion for approval of the resolution with respect to the Wyandotte County Library Board.
[3:38:02] So moved.
[3:38:03] Second.
[3:38:04] All right.
[3:38:04] It's been moved by Howard and second by Ramirez.
[3:38:07] Roll call please.
[3:38:08] Roll call.
[3:38:08] Ramirez.
[3:38:09] Aye.
[3:38:10] Hill.
[3:38:10] Pacheco.
[3:38:11] Aye.
[3:38:12] Lopez.
[3:38:12] Yes.
[3:38:14] Stites.
[3:38:30] I just wanted to say as we adopt the budget, I just wanted to give a special thanks to our
[3:38:38] budget team and our budget director, Reginald Lindsay,
[3:38:46] I would hate to venture how many
[3:38:48] hours has been spent on that but he and his team have labored day and night and
[3:38:55] on the weekends to provide for it. So really appreciate that. Appreciate Dr.
[3:39:00] Kinneven and her assistance in the budget as well and my Grimm in research.
[3:39:05] So again a team effort. I'd like for Dr. Kaven all right and her team raw raw raw and
[3:39:16] I
[3:39:16] just want to give a big shout out to the commissioners. I know that was grueling but
[3:39:20] So we got through it. I know we disagree, but I love it when we agree to disagree.
[3:39:24] So thank you very much for your opinions, for your values, and for the heart that you
[3:39:29] have for Wyne.county. At this time, the commission will, y'all give a round of applause to the commissioners.
[3:39:34] Woo, woo, woo, woo, woo, let's, all ride.
[3:39:38] Man, I was just going to say, if this quick shout out to Interim County Administrator House
[3:39:43] for stepping in and pulling this off.
[3:39:46] So okay a big shout out for him all right at this time the commission will go into an executive session regarding consultation with counsel on matters that would be deemed privileged in an attorney client relationship do we have a motion for an executive session.
[3:40:04] So moved. I have the motion. I got the motion. Sorry. I got to say certain words.
[3:40:10] Fine and that large one. I move the commission going to executive session until
[3:40:15] how much how long do we need?
[3:40:19] Yeah, here he is. 945.
[3:40:24] So half power is good.
[3:40:26] In the fifth floor conference room, we discuss ramifications of proposed economic development,
[3:40:30] and then UG's options in consultation with our attorney,
[3:40:34] which would be deemed privilege as permitted
[3:40:36] under Kansas Open Meetings Act,
[3:40:39] the interim CAO Allen House,
[3:40:41] Angela Loss and Chief Counsel and Darrell
[3:40:44] when advisor to the mayor
[3:40:45] remained to participate in the discussion
[3:40:48] and that we reconvene an open session at 9.45 pm
[3:40:53] with floor conference room.
[3:40:55] 9.50, because it's going to take 9.50.
[3:40:57] We need a break.
[3:40:58] so let's start at 920 and be done at 950.
[3:41:01] Okay, 950.
[3:41:03] Thank you.
[3:41:05] Is there a second?
[3:41:06] Power.
[3:41:07] Power second.
[3:41:08] Roll call please.
[3:41:10] Roll call, Ramirez.
[3:41:12] Aye.
[3:41:12] Hill.
[3:41:13] Pacheco.
[3:41:14] Aye.
[3:41:14] Lopez.
[3:41:15] Aye.
[3:41:16] Sites.
[3:41:16] Aye.
[3:41:17] Davis.
[3:41:18] Aye.
[3:41:18] Bynum.
[3:41:19] Aye.
[3:41:20] Come.
[3:41:20] Aye.
[3:41:21] Howard.
[3:41:22] Burns.
[3:41:22] 10-0, the motion carries. Thank you.