1 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:26,640 I'd like to welcome everyone to the September 3rd Jefferson County 2 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:30,120 Commissioners meeting. Join me in the Pledge of Allegiance to 3 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:35,200 the flag. I pledge allegiance to the flag 4 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:41,640 of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, 5 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:45,850 one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you, 6 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:47,870 everyone. >> [clears throat] 7 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:56,280 » Okay, I would entertain a motion to approve the minutes from August 20th. 8 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:59,160 » I'll make a motion to approve the minutes from the August 20th meeting. 9 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,720 » I second. >> All those in favor, 10 00:01:00,000 --> 00:01:03,760 » signify by eye. Eye. 11 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,960 » Motion to approve the accounts payable vouchers. 12 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,280 » I'll make a motion to approve accounts payable vouchers. 13 00:01:07,480 --> 00:01:11,240 » I second that. >> All those in favor, signify by eye. 14 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,400 » Eye. >> And a motion to approve the payroll 15 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,960 vouchers as submitted. >> I'll make a motion to approve the 16 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:19,520 payroll vouchers as submitted. >> I second. 17 00:01:17,840 --> 00:01:21,840 » All those in favor, signify by eye. >> Eye. 18 00:01:20,160 --> 00:01:26,960 » Okay. Now, you want to run with this Terracon? 19 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:31,640 » So, we sent out a request for proposals to do phase one environmental site 20 00:01:29,200 --> 00:01:37,000 assessment for the property for the new campground project. Um Terracon was 21 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:42,160 selected. Um we did some scoring. They were 22 00:01:39,320 --> 00:01:49,360 up there and their price is very agreeable. The price is $5,006 23 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:52,280 for the phase one assessment. And they submitted an an agreement. We've had our 24 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:56,240 attorney look at it. There's some comments. We've got those 25 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:59,480 changed. So, I think we're ready to move forward with 26 00:01:57,560 --> 00:02:04,360 this phase on environmental site assessment. 27 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:07,760 So, I'll make a motion we approve the agreement with Airfoam for these 28 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,640 services. >> I have a motion. 29 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:11,800 » I'll second. >> I'll second. 30 00:02:10,360 --> 00:02:15,520 » Okay. Any discussion? 31 00:02:13,640 --> 00:02:18,840 All those in favor signify by I. >> I. 32 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:21,840 » Motion carried. Okay. 33 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:31,160 WTH status here. I think you probably want to run with that. 34 00:02:27,280 --> 00:02:38,360 » Yeah. So, um we have several um agreements like this. Basically, it's 35 00:02:34,680 --> 00:02:44,120 CoreLogic, which is um a mortgage servicer. They do a lot of 36 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:49,160 escrow payments for people that have their property mortgaged. They 37 00:02:46,360 --> 00:02:56,720 are needing information from WTH. They will pay WTH, then WTH will pay us in 38 00:02:52,959 --> 00:02:56,720 return for that data. 39 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,200 Pretty standard. 40 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:02,040 » Pretty straightforward. >> Yeah. 41 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:02,040 » Okay. 42 00:03:02,747 --> 00:03:08,280 » [clears throat] >> I'll make a motion we approve the data 43 00:03:05,720 --> 00:03:10,480 share request for CoreLogic. >> I second that. 44 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:14,200 » I have a motion and a second. Is there any other discussion? 45 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,519 Hearing none, all those in favor signify by I. 46 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:20,640 » I. >> Motion carried. 47 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:20,640 Okay. 48 00:03:21,239 --> 00:03:25,120 John, looks like you have the floor, sir. 49 00:03:29,239 --> 00:03:37,000 » I'm here to ask for permission to apply for CDBG. I have a final or financial 50 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:40,720 commitment letter for each of you to sign. 51 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,920 Uh we have to have approval from from them 52 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:46,080 uh and you guys to fill out the form. So. 53 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:00,080 » We do the seat here. >> Yes. 54 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:33,400 So my next one is going to be a It's going to be a sent us agreement. 55 00:04:30,520 --> 00:04:39,040 We've done several of them here past couple months. 56 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:41,919 It's a 60 months term agreement. It's basically going to knock our bill 57 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:48,203 down from 187 to about 150 weekly. 58 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:51,360 I'm going to be able to >> [clears throat] 59 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:56,840 » outfit every employee that we have in a uniform on this agreement. 60 00:04:54,600 --> 00:05:01,040 That's what we would like to do. If we would stay with our original 61 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:04,800 pricing, it would put us in a rough shape, 62 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:09,000 for sure. So this will help out quite a bit. If we 63 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:14,560 would have stayed with our, you know, our original supplies, we would have 64 00:05:10,480 --> 00:05:17,840 went from 186 to $40 a week. So which is, you know, that's a big 65 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:21,440 number. But, you know, adding uniforms will help 66 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:26,360 quite a bit. So. 67 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,360 Put this here. 68 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:30,440 I think I just need I just need one signature. 69 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:33,800 » Is it $40 a week or did you mean more or less? 70 00:05:30,919 --> 00:05:38,880 » So under under what we have now as supplies we get from from them, it would 71 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:44,800 knock it down to $40 a week. But I've added uniforms, so it's going to put us 72 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:47,760 to about 145 to 150 a week. >> So no uniforms now with the We're just 73 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,840 trying to understand >> Yeah, no uniforms at all right now at 74 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:55,400 the county highway. This This would actually give each person 11 uniforms a 75 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:57,640 piece. >> Standard 76 00:05:56,840 --> 00:06:00,720 » Standard across >> Unity all the way across. 77 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:04,640 » across the board. Um, mechanics already have them. We already 78 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:08,600 paid for that. Um, the going on this program will actually make theirs 79 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,600 cheaper also. 80 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:13,800 » I probably didn't do that in the first >> Yeah. 81 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:18,600 » So, I'll make a motion we approve the contract with Cintas for the county 82 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:21,040 highway department for >> Uniforms, what else? Rugs and stuff, 83 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:23,120 too, or >> It'll be uniforms and supplies. 84 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:25,760 » Supplies? >> Yes. 85 00:06:24,280 --> 00:06:28,560 » I'll make a motion we approve the contract with Cintas for uniforms and 86 00:06:27,640 --> 00:06:31,440 supplies. >> I second. 87 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:34,560 » I have a motion and second. Any other discussion? 88 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,600 Hearing none, all those in favor signify by 89 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,640 » Aye. >> Aye. 90 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,560 » Thanks for your research. >> Yep. Thank you, guys. 91 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:12,880 » Department heads down here. >> So, I should have stayed up there. 92 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:16,000 » Do you want to go? >> I'm sure. Go ahead. 93 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,880 » What were you going to say? >> Get out of the way. 94 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,880 Unless Brandon really wants to get up. 95 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:26,680 Um So, just a little update, we are still 96 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:29,640 chip sealing. Um, we're 97 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:33,640 pretty close to wrapping up. We've probably got I'd say a couple more 98 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:36,520 weeks and we'll be done. Uh, we're still mowing. 99 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:40,120 We're having some issues with some tractors right now, so with the heat, 100 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:44,040 that don't help at all. Um, but we're trying to keep them on the 101 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:47,200 road. Get get to everybody as quick as we can, for sure. 102 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:50,960 Uh I'm going to go ahead and have, you 103 00:07:48,400 --> 00:07:57,000 know, with the with that CCMG, we do we do pull from a fund called 9102. Uh we 104 00:07:54,800 --> 00:08:00,880 wanted to have it, you know, on record if State Board of Accounts ever needs 105 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:05,600 anything. So. >> That is where the match is coming from. 106 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:09,800 » Yep. Yep. Yep. Um and I will give you a little update 107 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:15,680 on FEMA. Um they are providing us with some money for our poor little Brushy 108 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:21,640 Fork on the side repair. Um so we'll be tackling that here pretty soon, once we 109 00:08:17,880 --> 00:08:26,840 get the funds. Should be about $90,000. So. 110 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:31,640 Any questions? >> And make sure that guys watch this heat. 111 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:33,400 » Yeah. Yeah, we've we've been stocking up on water. 112 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:37,039 » Plenty of breaks, I mean. >> Yeah. We've been stocking up on water 113 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:40,000 pretty good, especially being out on the chipper cuz it gets hot, real hot. 114 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,840 » Yeah. >> Uh 115 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,160 Yeah. Yeah. >> Safety first. We can get the roads 116 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:44,720 later. >> Mhm. 117 00:08:44,660 --> 00:08:46,440 » [clears throat] >> Yep. 118 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:49,040 Thank you. >> Thank you. 119 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:54,280 Brandon. 120 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:58,440 What what I talked tonight. >> Yeah. How's Brandon? 121 00:08:57,560 --> 00:09:02,600 » He's all right. Yes. >> He did good. 122 00:08:59,920 --> 00:09:08,240 » Um so currently we have we have four uh four new CAD PCs being installed. And 123 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:16,080 he's here for the training up now. Um We also got a a board this week. 124 00:09:12,400 --> 00:09:16,080 Uh excellence in training award. 125 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:24,320 Um so Rapid SOS, the the software that I told 126 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:28,200 you we recently implemented. Um We were recognized for uh 127 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,839 excellence in training. We were the second in the nation to receive the 128 00:09:29,560 --> 00:09:35,760 award. And Clark County, so that was pretty 129 00:09:33,040 --> 00:09:35,760 pretty awesome. 130 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:40,680 Also uh tender 131 00:09:39,160 --> 00:09:45,960 the There is a rate contract um 132 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:50,160 that was coming due um this year. Uh I went ahead and extended it 5 years. 133 00:09:48,280 --> 00:09:54,720 I wanted to get you guys' blessing for it. Um I I didn't want the coverage to 134 00:09:52,560 --> 00:09:59,280 lapse and then us be out. So, I went ahead and did it in the meantime. 135 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:05,480 Um but but I I did the 5-year um that would make it the $7,548 136 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:08,240 a year, which is just a marginal increase from what we were paying for 137 00:10:07,160 --> 00:10:11,880 it. Um 138 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:14,880 We do have some training scheduled. Um we have to 139 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:17,440 better utilize the rate system. We have There's some 140 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:21,760 different agencies are using it for different reasons. Um we we kind of 141 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:26,200 see that we're underutilizing it, but we've got some training uh scheduled to 142 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:30,280 to hopefully utilize it better and and notify people. 143 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,280 Yeah. 144 00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:36,200 Other than that, that's all I've got. >> Okay. 145 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:41,640 I need a motion. >> I'll 146 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:45,320 I'll I'll upgrade contract. 147 00:10:43,280 --> 00:10:51,839 » Yeah, I just read it from the memo. >> I'll make a motion to 148 00:10:46,920 --> 00:10:51,839 the rate contract for 911. 149 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,960 Well, I say we don't want it to lapse. >> Yeah, that's that's why I went ahead and 150 00:10:55,200 --> 00:11:01,880 did it. Um they were a little bit late on getting it to me and then they said 151 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:06,720 it would lapse on the August 31st and it wouldn't give me time to to get here. 152 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:08,120 So, I I went ahead and did that. 153 00:11:07,400 --> 00:11:11,839 » Mhm. >> And sure everything was 154 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:15,560 » I second that. >> Okay, I have a motion and a second. All 155 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:20,320 those in favor signify by I. >> I. 156 00:11:17,480 --> 00:11:20,320 » Any question? 157 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:27,880 Research you got. >> Congratulations on the award to you. 158 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:30,960 » Yeah, we need this done. >> And I'll have to fix 159 00:11:29,320 --> 00:11:34,240 » I don't have anything. I'll try to keep it as expeditious as you guys have 160 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:39,040 anything for me. >> No, I don't think so. 161 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:39,040 » I went to football. 162 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:47,280 » Good morning, everybody. Um 163 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:53,000 just giving you guys um just some general updates. So, we did get um 164 00:11:50,960 --> 00:11:58,440 our two grant letters. We don't have the actual contracts yet, but we got letters 165 00:11:54,840 --> 00:12:05,120 from uh Office of Court Services. Um so, basically this year they gave us $2,002 166 00:12:02,560 --> 00:12:08,520 and $391, which essentially is the amount they 167 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:13,400 gave us last year plus the supplemental grant. So, we are very grateful for 168 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:18,400 that. That um additional helps us with drug court. Um however, it still doesn't 169 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:23,360 negate the other 100 and something that we were cut through DOC. Um but they did 170 00:12:21,080 --> 00:12:27,960 help with funding with um our drug court grant that we normally get 4,500. We 171 00:12:25,200 --> 00:12:30,560 ended up getting Exactly. 172 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:38,280 Well, you know, oh, 44,208. So, that's extremely helpful. And then so, that 173 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:43,200 helps supplement the salary that was cut by DOC not funding that. Um we have 174 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:48,120 currently we have I think one more interview for the field uh or for the 175 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:54,400 pre-trial officer position. My field officer retired 176 00:12:50,400 --> 00:12:58,960 uh last week, 2 weeks ago. So, we are posting uh that's in the second position 177 00:12:57,280 --> 00:13:04,240 and then we're moving to part-time. So, we will be posting that um 178 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:08,240 in-house first and then opening that up if there are any county interests. Um 179 00:13:06,600 --> 00:13:11,760 other than that, things continue to go well. We continue to move forward with 180 00:13:11,120 --> 00:13:15,600 um our third JCAP. Uh 181 00:13:13,839 --> 00:13:19,920 we have lots of The next cohort will be males. We have the most applications 182 00:13:18,000 --> 00:13:23,080 that we have had, which I think is good. Um we've got a lot of partnership 183 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:28,600 between pre-trial and drug court. Um that that 184 00:13:25,920 --> 00:13:32,040 process has smoothed out. I feel like that there are 185 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,760 that continuity of care starting in jail and with kind of that understanding of 186 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:38,160 potentially them wanting to go to drug court. I feel that that's helping keep 187 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:41,760 them in that service and treatment bubble. So, those are all awesome things 188 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:46,080 with that. We're continuing to grow numbers in our 189 00:13:44,240 --> 00:13:49,160 drug court. And 190 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:54,240 I think that's it for now. We're still waiting on the justice partners, which 191 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:57,640 is the federal grant that started 91. So, hopefully I'll get that allocation 192 00:13:56,240 --> 00:14:03,560 soon. And I did request that additional 193 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:07,360 unspent funding from office of court services. 194 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:10,720 They back and I sent another request of all 195 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:14,360 the things that we changed hoping that that may be different, but I fully 196 00:14:12,600 --> 00:14:18,640 expect that money to go back to the state. 197 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:22,200 So, but other than that, we continue to operations with continuous normal poll. 198 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:25,000 Our drug coordinator is going to run that until he gets somebody hired in. 199 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,760 So, we will still have someone at the the jail every day. 200 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:33,080 Questions and comments? >> Keep up the good work, yeah. 201 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,480 » Thank you, gentlemen. >> You got it. Paul's a good guy. 202 00:14:34,760 --> 00:14:39,480 » Yeah, he is. I'll keep him. >> You got it. I would. 203 00:14:39,880 --> 00:14:46,400 Anybody else back there? Brian. 204 00:14:44,400 --> 00:14:49,120 Come on down. >> Excuse me. 205 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:55,360 All right, just a couple things real quick. 206 00:14:50,080 --> 00:15:00,000 Uh update on the park plan. So, Don sent an update a few days ago. The 207 00:14:57,360 --> 00:15:04,200 data gathering is mostly complete. The public survey we were doing, that ended 208 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:08,560 August 31st. Um 209 00:15:05,160 --> 00:15:13,160 It closed at roughly 190 responses. It was pretty good. 210 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:16,280 Pretty good turnout on that. Um You should have an interim report on the 211 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:19,440 survey results in the next couple of days. 212 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:23,280 And he plans to have a draft of the plan available for us to review by the end of 213 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:26,560 the month. So, that'll It's progressing pretty 214 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,920 well, right on schedule. But, it's pretty aggressive schedule, 215 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:32,480 too. Uh as far as the animal shelter, our 216 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:37,520 ready funding is still under uh 217 00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:43,360 Ernst & Young compliance review. So, I did get another request yesterday 218 00:15:40,200 --> 00:15:45,680 for some some more information. Not really a 219 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:51,360 request for a request for some clarification on some information. So, 220 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:55,040 it's nothing as significant. Um It's frustrating to keep getting these 221 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:58,600 requests, but it does show that they are looking at it and that is in the review 222 00:15:56,440 --> 00:16:03,120 process, so. I did speak to someone with the RDA today. They They anticipate 223 00:16:00,440 --> 00:16:06,240 it'll be done in a few more weeks before you hear anything, so. 224 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:09,320 I'm thinking more than a few, but 225 00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:12,160 we'll see. >> But, I mean, we found out with the when 226 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:15,200 we were having the same issues with the campground, everybody else is having 227 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:18,480 these same issues. It's not just us, unfortunately. 228 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:22,400 » No, it's not just us. Uh but but it is progressing and they are not them off 229 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:25,800 the list from what I hear, so. As the list gets whittled down, we 230 00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:29,040 should get more attention on personally. Hopefully, it'll accelerate a little 231 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:32,839 bit. Um [clears throat] 232 00:16:30,600 --> 00:16:37,839 Our architect, Bill Carr, he's going to be here September 14th with an update on 233 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:41,280 the design and cost estimates. Um 234 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:44,200 I think he sent you guys around the meeting 235 00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:48,040 invitation. So, I'm not going to be able to make it that day, but uh 236 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:51,080 but he'll share all of this information if you can make it to. 237 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:55,040 And then, later that evening, Bill's going to present our setback variance to 238 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:58,600 to the city BZA. And don't really anticipate any issues 239 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:02,920 with that. And 240 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:05,959 last thing, since Trisha's not here, uh 241 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:10,400 the Friends of the Jefferson County Animal Shelter are having a fundraiser 242 00:17:07,959 --> 00:17:15,400 on September 12th, Saturday. It's a walk and wag. 243 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:19,360 And it means I think it's all walk. Yeah. I I looked 244 00:17:17,319 --> 00:17:24,439 up there's information on it. You can find details and an application. 245 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:28,480 If you wanted to join the jcasfriends.org 246 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:32,560 or their Facebook page. But it's going to be around the hospitals. You can 247 00:17:30,440 --> 00:17:35,840 bring your dog. You don't have to You don't have a dog you can come anyway. 248 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:38,880 But there are some I think there are some restrictions on dogs if you got to 249 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:42,720 have you know, vaccinations valid or current 250 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:45,520 and all that. So anything like that. It's on their Facebook page if anyone 251 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:49,000 wants any information on that. It's a way to support the New Hanover shelter. 252 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:54,240 So. That's about it. Any questions for me? 253 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:57,800 Okay. You've been busy. All right. You have Thank you. Thank you. Thanks. 254 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:02,440 Thank you. That's good for the department news, isn't it? 255 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:06,560 I don't see anybody else. Good food. 256 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:12,680 Eric? Anything? Come on. 257 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:18,360 » Okay. They want to be counted. >> Yeah. They're gone. 258 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:22,760 They're gone. Goodbye. Yeah. >> Tell us how you really feel. 259 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:26,640 » Sir? Mr. Lee. 260 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:32,320 Plugging along with the Yuby Center re-remodel. We've met with Josh today 261 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:35,040 and got some more new numbers. Moving along. 262 00:18:36,160 --> 00:18:42,480 So we published the request for proposal qualifications for the design and 263 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:46,560 construction of the campground. That went out on Friday. 264 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:50,160 And uh they have six weeks, I believe, before the 265 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:52,840 proposals will come in. So they got some time. 266 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:56,760 Got a few questions. Got a few letters of interest. So already. But so it's 267 00:18:55,800 --> 00:19:00,368 moving forward. >> Okay. 268 00:18:58,360 --> 00:19:05,000 » I don't have anything. >> [clears throat] 269 00:19:01,400 --> 00:19:08,280 » So we will go into public comment. Go to the podium. State your name and 270 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:10,920 address. Three minutes. 271 00:19:15,960 --> 00:19:20,240 » Or is there anyone else? >> If no one else. 272 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:23,920 » No one I'm the only one to speak. >> You have the floor, sir. 273 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:28,760 » All right, sir. Appreciate it. Warren Oxford, 3611 West Ohio River 274 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:31,400 Road. I'm here as a plan commission member and I'm speaking as a plan 275 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:35,400 commissioner. I am not speaking for all of the other 276 00:19:33,880 --> 00:19:42,280 plan commissioners as such. So you'll hear I in this quite a bit, but 277 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:46,320 however, I am very aware that um our other plan 278 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:49,760 commissioners took very similar steps as to what I'm going to outline in my 279 00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:53,120 comments to you this evening. And uh 280 00:19:51,120 --> 00:19:56,880 want to start There have been concerns in our community about my giving a 281 00:19:54,800 --> 00:20:01,480 prepared presentation on the data moratorium question. After closely 282 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:05,360 listening to all the public input at last night's plan commission meeting, I 283 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:09,680 determined that there had not been any new information presented which changed 284 00:20:07,920 --> 00:20:14,200 the conclusions I had previously included in my presentation document. I 285 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:20,480 want to assure the public and the commissioners I carefully considered all 286 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:24,760 of the public input and four more before coming to my conclusion that a data 287 00:20:22,800 --> 00:20:27,840 center moratorium is not in the best interest in the county's best interest 288 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:31,440 at this time. I read each of the emails which were 289 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:35,400 sent to the plan commission, many of them several times, and I reviewed the 290 00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:40,000 material which was included with the emails. I went online and I listened to 291 00:20:38,120 --> 00:20:44,160 the numerous data center moratorium comments made at commissioner's meet at 292 00:20:42,360 --> 00:20:48,800 past commissioner meetings and the commissioner's response to those 293 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:52,320 to the public. [clears throat] I reviewed the record of the public 294 00:20:50,400 --> 00:20:57,120 comments which were made at the B at A BZA data center appeal hearing. I 295 00:20:54,880 --> 00:21:02,000 reviewed all the court filings which have been made to date in the BZA appeal 296 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:06,400 case. I reviewed Indiana statutes and or past court cases regarding the adoption 297 00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:10,760 of the moratorium. I consulted with the plan Commission attorney on moratorium 298 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:14,760 legal procedures. I reviewed the county's comprehensive plan, unified 299 00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:18,800 development ordinances regarding land uses, future land uses, development 300 00:21:17,520 --> 00:21:23,280 standards and heavy industrial districts. I revisited and studied the 301 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:27,560 nine-page Planning Commission administrative staff report determining 302 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:32,360 data centers are allowed use in heavy industrial district. I brought up the 303 00:21:29,840 --> 00:21:36,400 county GIS map and aerial views of the two industrial districts to determine 304 00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:40,080 the makeup of the adjoining properties and the potential impact on them. I 305 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:44,720 determined that the data center moratorium would only affect the Marble 306 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:50,480 Hill property, which consists of less than 1/4 of 1% of the land area in the 307 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:54,560 county's zoning jurisdiction. I did online and offline research on the 308 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:58,480 potential negative effects of data centers on surrounding properties and 309 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:02,760 communities in general. I then summarized my conclusions and 310 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:07,800 supporting rationale in the presentation document I used at last night's meeting. 311 00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:12,440 I am sorry that my prepared presentation gave the impression I did not consider 312 00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:16,720 the public input we received. However, I will not apologize for preparing for a 313 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:21,440 meeting, considering more than the public's input, and reaching a different 314 00:22:19,120 --> 00:22:26,080 conclusion than some wanted. After the meeting, I was told I was a 315 00:22:23,120 --> 00:22:31,080 coward. I can assure you it takes more courage to say no to a loud public 316 00:22:28,680 --> 00:22:35,080 outcry than it does to just go along with it. I want you all to know that I 317 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:38,080 take my position and the public to know on the Planning Commission very 318 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:39,795 seriously. Thank you. >> Thank you. 319 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,815 » Thank you. >> [clears throat] 320 00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:00,920 » Ann Hester, again, 321 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:03,720 State Road 56, Jefferson County resident. 322 00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:07,920 You may wonder why I'm being so relentless, why I keep showing up. 323 00:23:06,360 --> 00:23:11,000 Because I'm worried about the negative health and environmental impacts of data 324 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:15,320 centers. The effects will be felt far wider than 325 00:23:13,480 --> 00:23:19,160 just the percentage of the county that they are being built on. 326 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:23,520 They're not just confined to those zoned areas and property lines. Eminent domain 327 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:28,280 means infrastructure build-outs, pipelines, 328 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:32,880 high voltage transmission lines, roads affected for years, additional traffic, 329 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:37,440 storm water systems, construction water, waste water, construction dust. 330 00:23:35,360 --> 00:23:42,840 That's going to affect more than just the footprint of the build site. After 331 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:46,920 completion, the noise, the low frequency noise, the generator noise, and the 332 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:50,920 lighting does not just stay on the footprint of the build site. 333 00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:55,040 It will affect adjacent properties, people, and wildlife. 334 00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:59,040 All these negative effects, if we don't put in protections, they're going to 335 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:04,320 have your names on them. I'm sorry. The people who are supposed to protect us. 336 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:08,760 It seems no one in the public office who could do something about negative 337 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:13,680 impacts wants to. Our concerns are treated like they are of no consequence. 338 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:17,440 We can't ask questions and get answers. What does that tell people who voted for 339 00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:21,560 you? Seems like we're being silenced at every turn. 340 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:25,080 The BZA hearing, they would not answer questions. 341 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:28,200 Commissioner meetings, now we get 3 minutes. 342 00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:31,760 If I at last time I asked a question at the end of 3 minutes, but I didn't get 343 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:36,800 an answer. I I immediately went and sat down, but nobody answered my question. 344 00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:42,120 My time was up. The plan commission president decided the public um the plan 345 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:45,160 commission meeting was not going to be a question and answer 346 00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:49,840 session, and there would not be any public comments. Only those who made the 347 00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:52,960 agenda were allowed to speak. Only after we got there were we told we would be on 348 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:56,520 a timer. What does that say to the public? It 349 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:59,400 seems to say we don't want to hear from you. 350 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:03,640 There should be a public hearing where the public gets to speak their concerns. 351 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:06,600 Five members of the planning commission seem to not want to do this for the 352 00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:09,960 public. It seemed to be that they It was 353 00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:13,280 presented that they already knew what you, the commissioners, were going to 354 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:16,720 decide on that. We followed the process that we were 355 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:22,280 told to follow by the county attorney for a moratorium. 356 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:26,880 It seemed to be a foregone conclusion that you were going to not have an 357 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:30,400 appetite for that. And they were not swayed by public 358 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:34,720 opinion, but what about facts? What about valid facts concerning data center 359 00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:39,040 effects? It seems there's a clear message that no one wants to hear from 360 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:42,560 the public about data centers. I didn't think this was how things were supposed 361 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:46,440 to be done in local government, but I haven't been involved with local 362 00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:51,040 government only since April. It seems very short-sided to allow data 363 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:56,800 centers to come into this county without any protective ordinances. Our UDO does 364 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:59,920 not even mention data centers one time. That is no longer acceptable for our 365 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:04,400 county. So, my three questions tonight, 366 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:09,600 can you guarantee that data centers are only allowed in those two heavy 367 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:14,080 industrial zoned areas? Because in lots of other places, farmland is being 368 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:17,120 bought, it's being rezoned, and data centers are being They're taking up 369 00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:20,560 farmland. That's not good. 370 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:24,560 Has anything been submitted for a data center at Marble Hill to anyone in our 371 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,760 local government? Yes. No. 372 00:26:26,120 --> 00:26:29,920 » No. >> No. Correct. 373 00:26:28,360 --> 00:26:33,560 Who can add data center safety ordinances to the UDO? 374 00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:35,320 » Who can add data center safety I mean, you know 375 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:38,960 » ordinances to the unified development ordinances? Is that you guys? Is that Is 376 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:41,760 group What Who can do that? >> have to start If the planning commission 377 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:46,080 thought they wanted to add some, they could add it, and then it would come to 378 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:51,320 the commissioners for final approval. >> And will our future data centers only 379 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:56,280 allowed in those two zones? >> According to the UDO, yes. 380 00:26:53,600 --> 00:27:00,040 » Okay. No farmland can be zoned for destination 381 00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:01,600 » Nothing is acceptable other than those two. 382 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,760 » Those two places are >> uh heavy industrially zoned areas. 383 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:09,960 » I do have a motion to put >> Picture this. 384 00:27:17,920 --> 00:27:21,160 » Okay. Anybody else? 385 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:33,320 » Hi, my name is Tonya Hess. Good evening. I'm on Pleasure Ridge Lane, Madison, 386 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,520 Indiana. Good evening. My public comments tonight 387 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:40,920 have to do with county government and ethics. In researching, I tried looking 388 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:46,160 up if Jefferson County had a standalone independent local ethics commission or a 389 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:50,560 singular comprehensive ethics policy document. I could not find one. So, I 390 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:54,720 wonder does the county officials rely on the ethical framework in the Jefferson 391 00:27:52,440 --> 00:28:00,200 County code of ordinances coupled with Indiana state law and what is Indiana 392 00:27:56,720 --> 00:28:04,400 code? Specific administrative policies and state statutory compliance would be 393 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:07,480 best. But, as a reminder, a county government official should follow 394 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:10,800 conflict of interest guidelines and statutory compliance. 395 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:15,560 County officials and employees are strictly subject to Indiana state 396 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:18,560 conflict of interest laws. Indiana code 35-44.1-1-4. 397 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,160 And as far as disclosures, members of county boards such as county 398 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:28,320 commissioners are required to formally submit conflict of disclosure forms, 399 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:32,120 which must be voted on and accepted during public meetings if a private 400 00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:35,320 financial interest intersects with public duty. 401 00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:40,240 Hypothetically speaking, once upon a time, there was a 501c3 nonprofit with a 402 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:45,480 completely volunteer board of members within an unincorporated township of a 403 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:49,400 county jurisdiction. That nonprofit held countless meetings and logged in lots of 404 00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:53,240 hours securing many grants for a particular project to be housed in a 405 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:56,080 local abandoned building in this rural community. 406 00:28:54,680 --> 00:29:00,880 A lease of that building had to be secured first in order for that 407 00:28:58,200 --> 00:29:05,080 nonprofit to secure the grant funding. The grants were awarded, but in order to 408 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:09,240 be dispersed, the nonprofit needed the building lease in its name. 409 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:12,880 Also, this nonprofit, in order to secure some grants, would need a sponsorship, 410 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:15,480 like the county commissioners to help it out. 411 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:20,120 The particular project was guaranteed grant money in the millions. This 412 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:23,880 nonprofit's hard work was paying off. A feasibility study had been completed to 413 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:27,720 say such abandoned building could be used for the community as a nonprofit 414 00:29:25,600 --> 00:29:31,560 wished. The community building would have benefited many. It was slated to be 415 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:34,600 multi-purposed. I think we would all agree we need to 416 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:37,560 address rural health issues and the health and needs of our veterans in this 417 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:41,040 country. Well, like in this story, this 418 00:29:39,120 --> 00:29:44,720 hypothetical nonprofit had interests from a public health department and a 419 00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:48,320 veterans group to be housed in their dream building, along with other 420 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:53,000 organizations, which would have benefited that community's mental and 421 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:56,720 physical well-being. But this nonprofit could not secure the lease from the 422 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:59,720 township, which owned the building. What gives? 423 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:03,880 This nonprofit could not get a board, like the county commissioners, to issue 424 00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:08,280 the sponsorship. Well, that's weird. The nonprofit was very puzzled on this 425 00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:11,920 lack of progress. Whatever could be the hold-up? What is more important than 426 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:15,720 backing something that could benefit an entire rural community, which has vast 427 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:19,720 needs? It would be a conflict of interest and 428 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:24,320 unethical if a public official was blocking the attempts for a project that 429 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:30,640 would have uplifted so many in a public rural community under his or her purview 430 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:34,640 all for an exclusive private pet project that would have benefited him or her. 431 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:38,320 It would be a conflict of interest if that official would try to piggyback on 432 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:43,080 the grants already awarded to said building, coupled with the promise of 433 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:47,280 some funds from a data center project, which also in the future could have been 434 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:50,880 under his or her decision-making purview. 435 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:56,240 Some stories have sad conclusions, like this story. Instead of the board members 436 00:30:53,080 --> 00:31:02,160 resigning from the hypothetical 501c3 nonprofit, the nonprofit has dissolved. 437 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:05,920 It is no more. Grant money all forfeited and/or returned. The local abandoned 438 00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:10,280 building still sits with the community's hopes and dreams. 439 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:13,840 Moral of the story, hypothetical story, ethical choices matter. 440 00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:17,520 And with my remaining time, I just have a question for Commissioner Lee. Could 441 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:21,920 you tell us why your fellow county commissioners all across our state in 442 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:27,000 many counties, including two just today Jason to Jefferson County, have recently 443 00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:31,000 adopted data center moratoriums? Both Clark and Switzerland adopted theirs for 444 00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:35,200 12 months, but some counties have issued theirs for four to six months as well. 445 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:43,200 » Moratorium if that's what they want. That's what they do. 446 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:45,640 » I just wanted stuff for them. 447 00:31:55,320 --> 00:32:01,720 » Well, when no one stood up, I almost start timing people, so 448 00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:05,720 » Bill Kelly foreign 762 West 3rd Street. I'll take a lot less 3 minutes. 449 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:09,800 I just want to point out and note that this I have been involved in local 450 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:13,680 government for most of my life here in Jefferson County 451 00:32:11,720 --> 00:32:17,160 and it just feels like hot potato. Feels like no one is taking our concern 452 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:22,760 seriously. I teach research. There's a method of research where you you look 453 00:32:18,920 --> 00:32:25,120 for things to confirm your already concluded 454 00:32:24,717 --> 00:32:31,160 » [sighs] >> opinion and kind of felt that way last 455 00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:37,800 night. Uh there's you're stating that only 0.1% of land uh would be involved 456 00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:43,000 in the moratorium, but a moratorium is meant to 457 00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:46,760 pause so we can consider the future. We don't know if other projects will come 458 00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:51,800 in. We don't know if the Board of Zoning Appeals will will change zoning on other 459 00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:54,680 farmland. And so that that is why we're asking and it's really frustrating to 460 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,240 get these appeals to ignorance where we say, "Well, we don't know what's going 461 00:32:55,600 --> 00:33:00,400 to happen and they're not going to do bad things. These companies aren't going 462 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:05,480 to do bad things." I mean, look at history, y'all. 463 00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:09,080 Yes. It's just It's It's just really frustrating and 464 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:14,000 um It's really all I got to say. 465 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:14,000 Didn't take 3 minutes to say that. 466 00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:22,720 » I'd like to say something if I could. Are you going to need that either or 467 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:25,920 that meter? My name's Dan Ernst and I'm Jefferson 468 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:29,640 County resident. Been with my wife, I'm still married, 469 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:32,560 and four kids. They all live here except one. 470 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:36,320 And I'm sorry that someone called you a coward the other night. I was here. 471 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:41,200 I think it takes a hell of a lot more bravery to come up and speak from the 472 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:45,280 side who's getting squashed all the time cuz you're all officials. You got that 473 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:49,040 power. You got that power right there. And you take that seriously. 474 00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:53,320 And I think it's a complete disrespect of these people who come out here with 475 00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:57,320 their time and their opinions and their heartfelt reasons, good reasons, why 476 00:33:55,440 --> 00:34:02,440 they want to pause on this and they're totally ignoring us all. 477 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:06,960 I take it as a personal insult and it makes me angry. 478 00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:11,360 And I'm coming from a person who doesn't consider himself very religious, this 479 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:14,320 may seem odd to end with, but my favorite story in the Bible is 480 00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:18,560 when Jesus showed anger and flipped the money 481 00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,399 tables cuz this is all about money and you all know it is. 482 00:34:20,159 --> 00:34:26,679 It makes me wonder how many of you people get paid off. 483 00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:26,679 » You're you're already going over. 484 00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,159 » Here. Here. 485 00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:36,919 » You know 486 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:45,000 » My name is Clark 82 North Olive Lane. I don't have a prepared speech. As far as 487 00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:49,159 the moratorium, as I believe Danny said about being safe in the heat, very 488 00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:53,720 important, very sweet comment. Safety, everything revolves around 489 00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:58,920 safety. That's all all a moratorium is is common sense safety. Do the research, 490 00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:02,000 do the studies. You get online, you Google something and you get two 491 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:07,080 separate answers right after that or from the same Google using the same 492 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:11,960 words. I've done it many times. Everything online, in business, in life, 493 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:16,480 in business, if business is good, everybody wants to be involved. 494 00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:21,040 These data centers have to come in and lie, cheat, steal, and pry 495 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:25,200 and often sue to get into a community. Only a 496 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:27,720 community that feels desperate in need of cash 497 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:28,600 bends over >> Yes. 498 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:32,280 » Yes. >> for 499 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:37,360 a data center. And nobody wants them. You know, these are the facts. Why would 500 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:43,120 anybody in their right mind, as you said, safety. Don't get on asphalt or 501 00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:47,400 concrete. Correct, 100% gold. But you you don't want to invest in a 502 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:51,120 company that's going to change the character of community, destroy your 503 00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:55,160 roads, require infrastructure build out. You 504 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:57,640 can't maintain the roads you got now. I went to Big O Tires to get wheels and 505 00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:02,560 they said, "No, don't put aluminum wheels on this. They'll bend on you." 506 00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:07,440 Okay, county roads. We need to maintain what we have before 507 00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:11,080 we try to do this. I've heard on the on the internet it would take 7 years to 508 00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:15,760 even get the electrical line out to run this data center. It won't even be 509 00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:18,600 feasible by before construction is complete. 510 00:36:17,240 --> 00:36:21,840 And if they do away with Indiana property taxes, you won't even get any 511 00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:24,200 taxes out of it. >> Yes. 512 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:28,040 » And depending on how far this is from the 2-mile jurisdiction, I wouldn't be 513 00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:31,960 surprised if court court he doesn't try to to 514 00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:36,080 annex that into city limits and get that sit that tax money coming into the city. 515 00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:40,400 » All right. >> You know, you all are dealing with 516 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:45,800 criminals. I understand it looks good. But when a business looks really good, 517 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:49,320 everybody lines up for it. If if that data center is legitimate and 518 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:53,160 honest one, they would go and say, "Hey, this is me. This is my company and this 519 00:36:51,400 --> 00:36:56,080 is what I can do for you. And you'll never find anybody do it 520 00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:59,200 better and if you do, I'll come back and do it again." 521 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:03,040 You know, a data center is like, "Don't worry about that. 522 00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:05,280 But this is this is what I can do for you." 523 00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:07,880 And you prove that, don't worry about it. How you going to do that? Don't 524 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:11,160 worry about it. We just need to get in here 525 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,800 and get it done. That's why they're rushing. They want to beat legislation 526 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,560 [clears throat] and that's it. 527 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:20,720 There's no common sense protections. So, that's all moratorium it is. It may not 528 00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:25,080 change anything. If they're legitimate, all you got to do is say we're going to 529 00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:28,560 do a moratorium and if they're upright, they still build the data centers and 530 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:33,080 everything's good to go with nothing to worry about. If they don't, everybody 531 00:37:30,680 --> 00:37:36,640 knows that you guys are not reflecting the wishes of the majority of the 532 00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:40,160 public. You're only doing you're walking around 533 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:43,640 like you're saying, "Well, I went through all the rules and bylaws or 534 00:37:42,120 --> 00:37:47,720 whatever and this is not our deal." 535 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:52,560 Yeah, probably half of the counties in Indiana, it's their deal 536 00:37:50,400 --> 00:37:54,880 and they're the same commissions. So, what's the difference? 537 00:37:53,720 --> 00:37:56,280 » You need to wrap up. >> Uh 538 00:37:55,360 --> 00:37:59,200 » You need to wrap up. >> Okay. 539 00:37:57,600 --> 00:38:03,160 Out of respect for you all, I will because I have respect. 540 00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:03,160 » Thank you for your comments. 541 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:15,160 » Okay. >> What is the deadline to get on the 542 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:20,440 agenda for the next commissioner meeting? 543 00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:24,720 » Normally, I post agendas on Tuesdays. So, before next Tuesday or before the 544 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:28,000 » We We meet every two We meet every two weeks, so 545 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,840 » So, 15th next time. That's right. 546 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:33,360 » 16th. >> That's 16th. So, for deadline 547 00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:39,760 » So, it have to be that Monday. >> Monday, yeah. Yeah, Sunday. Okay. 548 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:39,760 Thank you. 549 00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,520 Thank you, Byron. 550 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:50,760 Okay. I know we've asked you this before, and I'm not going to ask you if 551 00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:56,360 you've signed an NDA, but I am going to ask you if you've signed any agreement 552 00:38:53,200 --> 00:39:03,000 or had any private communication, such as meetings, phone calls, text messages, 553 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:08,360 emails, with any developer, company, land owner, or representative regarding 554 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:11,440 any current or potential projects that could affect Jefferson County. Mr. 555 00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:15,600 Braymer? >> Sure. I mean, I've had discussions about 556 00:39:13,440 --> 00:39:18,040 the campground. There's a project that's >> No. No. This is 557 00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:22,040 » You said any project that affected Jefferson County. So, yes, I have. 558 00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,880 » I'm talking about the data center. >> Well, you didn't say that. 559 00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:28,360 » Well, this is what I I've corrected myself. So, yes or no? 560 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,760 » Sure. I've had people call me, ask about projects. 561 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,160 » Mr. Little? >> Yes. 562 00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:40,280 » Well, people with integrity do not conduct business in the shadows. They do 563 00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:46,000 not profit off the decline in the quality of life of others. The choices 564 00:39:43,240 --> 00:39:51,520 must be made by the people, not for the people. Data centers of this scale are a 565 00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:56,320 crime against our community and the natural world. This is a quote from Mr. 566 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:59,480 Hubbard from Payne Hall. The selfish man wants more than his 567 00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:03,680 share, a higher seat at the table than he is 568 00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:10,040 entitled to. Your job is to protect and preserve. 569 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:17,040 Taking time to understand the real costs and benefits is not anti-growth. It is a 570 00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:21,320 basic due diligence, and that is your job 571 00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:27,320 to stand behind us, to represent us. Who do you represent? Do you represent large 572 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:30,960 large corporations or do you represent the tax-paying people of Jefferson 573 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:34,840 County because we're the ones that live here and we are the ones that are going 574 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:40,880 to have to suffer for the consequences of this. 575 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:47,080 And also, are you planning on putting solar fields between the battery and the 576 00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:51,160 proving ground? On that ground, has there been any discussion on that? 577 00:40:49,560 --> 00:40:54,760 » No, I'm not. >> Has there been any discussion? Because 578 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:58,680 » And while while you're up there, I want you to I want to ask you a question. 579 00:40:56,720 --> 00:41:01,120 Explain profit. >> Profit? 580 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:04,720 » Yeah, how am I going to profit? >> I'm not saying 581 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:08,360 » No, you said and you when you read it, you said to profit. 582 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:13,160 Explain that. >> Profit is to take away from the our way 583 00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:17,320 of life. >> No. 584 00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:21,960 » Our land love of nature. And because, you know, you've got $3 million and 585 00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:26,200 you've got it for that campground. Well, that's wonderful if you do it right, if 586 00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:31,880 you protect the species that are up there. But, if you put a data center in 587 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,680 there, just like if it goes in next to Big Oaks, 588 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:40,680 » Have you ever Have you ever camped at Cliff Falls? 589 00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:42,840 » You asked me that before. I live next to Cliff Falls. 590 00:41:41,720 --> 00:41:47,360 It has no >> It's a mile It's less than a mile to the 591 00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:51,240 It's less than a mile to the power plant, right? 592 00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:55,720 » Man, that's old. That's old. >> You asked me that before and have no 593 00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:59,960 relevance to this subject. >> Yes, it does. If you think if you think 594 00:41:57,840 --> 00:42:05,680 there's a It's a bad idea to be next >> comes directly across that from the data 595 00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:10,480 center and the noise, it's just a waste. It's a waste of $3 596 00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:14,800 million. It would be a wonderful if you didn't have a monstrosity next to it. 597 00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:19,720 direction is the the campground at Clippedy Falls from Clippedy 598 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:23,560 electricity generation plant? Do you know 599 00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:29,360 I can't that would make mega? It would make 600 00:42:24,720 --> 00:42:31,600 12 IKEs, maybe more. It has no relevance in the connection whatsoever. 601 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:37,320 » No. >> No, I told you that before, yeah. 602 00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:41,440 » Yeah, let's go look at the stacks at IKE and look at what's 603 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:44,840 » Well, we see those stacks every day. What are you talking about, sir? 604 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:49,560 » So, what comes out of them, sir? >> What comes out of what? Steam vapor, 605 00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:53,760 mostly. I've worked down there for many years. 606 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:59,320 » All right, I'm Ronald Black. >> Ronald Black, 2188 Long Branch Road. 607 00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:04,120 With the status center and everything, several times. I have driven through the 608 00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:08,560 proving ground these last several weeks. And I don't think anybody's road driven 609 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:11,920 out there and what. Um, you know, 610 00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:16,600 the city mass is cleaning hazardous materials tank out there. 611 00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:21,560 Nobody was saying anything about that. City mass owns that company. 612 00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:25,680 So, y'all should really think about what 613 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:28,760 you're You need to think about the whole thing. 614 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:33,560 And originally when they when they wanted solar panels and or they wanted 615 00:43:31,400 --> 00:43:36,120 to put solar panels in Jackson County, everybody said, "Move to proving 616 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:39,600 ground." Well, now they moved something to 617 00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:43,360 proving ground, now we're having an argument about that. So, 618 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,440 that's all I've got to say. Just drive through the proving ground and see 619 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:50,240 what's out there. Go check out what they're doing. And including the place 620 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:53,920 that's owned by my where I retired from, the Urban Jungle, all those rail cars 621 00:43:52,240 --> 00:43:58,040 over there. That were That were being 622 00:43:55,000 --> 00:44:00,760 » Ronald Black, I think you have special interest here. 623 00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:02,400 » No, I don't have a fire department. >> Yeah. 624 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,040 » I don't have no special interest. >> I don't think you do. 625 00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:06,440 » I don't think you >> Hey, hey, please state. Hey. 626 00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:10,640 » We're done. >> We're done. We're done. 627 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:15,960 » We we We don't We don't let people from the community speak speak to you when 628 00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:19,760 you're speaking, so please don't, okay? >> Well, you do it all the time. You men 629 00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:22,920 have wrapped my wife numerous times. You're rude. 630 00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,760 Very rude. >> There's a lot of stuff in Jefferson 631 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:29,400 County that nobody said anything about. So, I'm just making a point that 632 00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:33,080 I'm just making a point that I think as residents, and which I've done that as a 633 00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:38,640 resident, not as a fire department member. 634 00:44:34,240 --> 00:44:38,640 I've done that as a resident because 635 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:46,200 I'm also big on safety. And 636 00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:49,720 the my my position on that is is that we would set up new protocols if you want 637 00:44:48,520 --> 00:44:53,360 to know about fire department side protect the first responders from 638 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:56,560 getting hit from people driving to accident scenes and not 639 00:44:55,240 --> 00:45:00,280 slowing down. So, 640 00:44:57,800 --> 00:45:05,680 everything I do is about safety. So, I did some of my research by just driving 641 00:45:03,160 --> 00:45:08,320 through to see what this was all about. That's all I did. Had nothing to do with 642 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:11,880 fire department. >> I drive through there all the time. 643 00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:15,320 » So, but now this is imperative to have Anyways, the hazardous patrols out 644 00:45:13,720 --> 00:45:16,880 there, you really need to check into that. 645 00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,960 » Good. Thank you. >> I have a question for I have a question 646 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:23,600 for you. It says no trespassing in the JPG, so we don't just drive through 647 00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:27,040 there. But if you want to >> Those are Those are Those are old signs 648 00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:29,440 from when the proving ground was open. >> No. 649 00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:38,040 » We're done. We're done. 650 00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:38,040 » You were saying that you had