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Okay. The September 2nd, 2026 city
council for the city of Ghart meeting is

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called to order. Is there any
declaration?

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A conflict of interest from any of the
council members?

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» No.
>> No.

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» No.
>> No.

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This is a public hearing regarding a
proposed transient lodging tax increase

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and related ordinance amendments.
Does anyone object to the jurisdiction

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of the city council to hear this matter
at this time?

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[clears throat]
Does any city council member believe he

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or she has a conflict of interest?
>> No. No.

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Is there any additional correspondence?

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» Okay,
[clears throat]

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I'm going to call for public testimony.
Are there any comments from proponents?

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Seeing none, are there any comments from
opponents? Please raise your hand.

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Paul T.
Paul Ty.

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Go ahead.

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» Thank you, Coun Council, for listening
to me. I spoke the last uh meeting. Can

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you hear me? Okay,
>> Paul. Yeah, we can hear you just fine.

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Crystal clear. Uh and your garage is
looking good, too.

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Uh just state your name and your
address, please, for the record.

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My name is Paul Ty. Um, I have a few
addresses, but my home address is 33273

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Neoxy Lane in Warrant in Warrington,
Oregon. I also have Gearhart property.

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I am the manager at Gearhart by the Sea.
Um, I've been employed there Frank this

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my 38th summer. Um, I spoke at the LA
and made it through another one almost.

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Um, made it through one. Um, I
appreciate you listening to me. Again,

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some of my my conversation I'll try not
to be too redundant. Um, I'm not opposed

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to having an increase
in the lodging tax, which is currently

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7% that the city receives.
I know that the city I've looked at the

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financials and and obviously, you know,
there needs to be some areas to generate

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income. Uh this the I don't know if the
council is aware uh but the Classip

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County has increased their lodging tax
last year from 1% to 3%. And the state

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of Oregon starting January 1st of this
coming year is going to increase their

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lodging tax from 1.5 to 3%.
So if we add 15% on top of that, that's

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going to be a 21% lodging tax.
uh in the summertime maybe not the

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biggest deal but in the offseason which
is I'd say mid-occtober through miday

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you know the travelers are looking for
you know better [clears throat] deals

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and we don't on purpose don't have the
lowest rates because that's not the

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clientele that we want um in gearart but
um I think it's going to be painful uh

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we have a lot of employees that we try
to uh give them work to do in the winter

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time to keep them employed lot of some
of them live locally, some live in

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Gearhart, some shop locally at the
restaurants as well as the stores. Um,

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and they're going to might be looking at
some cut backs in hours as well. So, um,

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my my final point is again, I I I see I
see a need for an increase. I think

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15%'s a little steep. I'd like to maybe
reconsider and go down a little bit from

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there. Uh it looks like the budget may
allow that after looking at it again uh

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for this year and then reconsider next
year if we have to increase it uh to the

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15%. I appreciate you listening to me.
Thank you.

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» Thank you.

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Anyone else electronically?
Okay. No other hands. And there's a

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gentleman back here. Your names and your
address, please.

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» Hi everybody. Uh thank you for the
opportunity. My name is Gary Roth. Uh my

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address is 498 North Ocean, Gearhart,
Oregon 97138.

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And I listened in um to the uh up to the
hearing in August and um had it on my

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calendar to keep finding out what might
be going on. Today I was at my desk. I

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thought, I wonder if anything's
happening. And so there was a hearing.

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So here I am. Um just a couple of
comments. um as I was listening in

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August uh would be just sort of the the
time and uh declaration of intent of the

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public notice. The public noticed that
it was a

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exact verbiage but a discussion to cons
consider a proposed increase and during

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the August meeting I think I heard that
the council has already assumed an

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increase of the 15% and that's baked
into the existing budget. So I'm not

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really I guess I guess I'm a little
unsure how much discussion and

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consideration there really is. Um, I
think it might have been good if this

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had taken place before. So, uh, to be
honest with you, I kind of feel like

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it's the the horse is out of the barn
and now we're going to talk about how we

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might find a halter to catch it. Um, so
anyway, just just that I'm sure your

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attorney says it's probably okay to do
it in that order, so I won't go down

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that road. Um, I've been involved. We we
do have our home as a short-term rental

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and uh we watched the proceedings um
some years ago very closely and I

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believe at that time one of the intended
purposes of the permit process for

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short-term rentals and the tax was that
Gearhart uh frequently refers to itself

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as a residential community did not want
to see any increase in uh in lodging or

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tourism wanting to keep Gator the way it
was. And so I find it interesting that

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now we're talking about increasing
attacks half of which needs to go for

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the very purpose of increasing tourism
which a decade ago Dehart ostensively

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said it didn't want. So um it's just an
observation of of I believe fact. And

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then um the final thing that I would
like to comment on is the amount of the

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increase. Uh like Mr. Ty, uh my wife
Christy and I, we are not against an

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increase. Uh we understand that there's
inflation and things go up and you have

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budgetary concerns for this fine city
and and community, but uh 15% is beyond

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huge. Um, I can't remember the exact
numbers. If I looked it up on my

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calendar and prepared a day before
instead of today, um, I'm not going to

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get it exactly right, but I believe
Seaside and Canon Beach and a lot of

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other uh, municipalities, it's uh, I
think the high is in the 9 or 10% range,

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and some of those are along the coast
here. It's it's a competitive market.

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And um I think to be at the I think 15%
would put Gearhart clearly at the

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highest rate in the state um the highest
in competitive markets. And if uh uh I'm

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an A econ major by by training, but if
if you did a a study, I I wonder if

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being that high when there's in a
competitive market if renters might look

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and say, you know, I can get something
um in a different location, not have to

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pay an additional 5%.
And um could that by going to 15%

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actually be counterproductive?
Just wondering if the council has

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considered that and that uh that's
really all I have to say.

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» Well, thank you, Gary.
Is there anyone else in the audience?

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Okay,
Chad, are you going to uh want to read

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this summary, this analysis?
>> If the council would like to, I would.

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Does anyone want to
>> Excuse me, Commissioner.

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» Oh,
>> I'm sorry.

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» I'm sorry, Jim.
>> Mr. Mayor, I'm sorry.

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» I'm sorry for interrupting you.
>> Uh, I'm sorry for interrupting you. I My

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mic wasn't on. I thought it was. Jim
Whitmore, uh, 776 North Marian.

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[clears throat]
I will do my best to be brief. Um, when

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this all started 9 10 years ago, there
were somewhere between 120 and 130

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rental homes, short-term rental homes in
Gearart. We're now down to 62 rental

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homes. However, uh 10, let's see, 5
years ago, 6 years ago,

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um short-term rentals for
um motel, hotels, and for uh short um

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homes was $341,000.

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Uh in the fiscal year 2526, that's
increased to $578,000.

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It's the second single largest source of
revenue for the city outside of water.

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It's an important revenue source. I get
that. Um

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I remember Commissioner Gould at last
month's meeting saying uh to the effect

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that um they don't want to increase
tourism and if we do this the right way

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or in a way that keeps people coming to
Gearhart, we can't think of it as a

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quick fix. and she would not approve or
vote for being the highest in the

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county. Uh Gary, you're right. Can Beach
is 9 and a half%, Seaside is 10%, Atoria

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is 11%, uh Manzanita is at 9%. I'm not
saying that we shouldn't contribute to

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helping the budget
process, but a 100% increase to me, and

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pardon my use of the words, but it's
it's usery. I'm sure there are ways that

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we can find
additional sources of revenue for the

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city, whether it's u transaction
permits, whether it's building permits,

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whether it is a sales tax.
Um, if we spread this out and if we know

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where the city wants to go and what's it
and what it needs, maybe we can get

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creative to find additional sources of
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um
to take this to 15%

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is a clear message to Gearhard by the
Sea to McMinimums

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to um I'm sorry I forget the name of the
the um

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Motel Kitty Corner to uh the store um
>> thank you. Uh it's it's it's a clear

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message. We don't want you we don't want
you to be in Gearhart. We're trying to

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tax you out of existence.
And I don't think that's what Gearhart

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wants.
I think Gearhart's want wants to be a

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thriving community. Yes, you do want,
let's not use the word tourism, but you

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like people to visit Gearhart. It's been
a part of their lives for a long time,

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as it has been mine. I've been coming to
Gearhart since I was seven years old and

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I'm now 74. So, you can do the math.
It's been a very important part of my

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life. But if all of a sudden there isn't
a place for people to go for a week or

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for a weekend because there's no room at
the end and they can't find a home and

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on top of paying $400 a night, you got
to pay another 20%. So your four 400

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goes to 440 and times 10 nights, that's
another $400. You know, the math adds up

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pretty quickly. There ought to be ways
that we can find additional sources of

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revenue to rebuild the reserves. And I
don't want to get into the political

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discussion of why we don't have a
reserve fund, but we all I think we all

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know why. The fact is let's move on from
that and find additional ways instead of

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increasing the tax by 100%.
[clears throat]

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Thank you very much. I appreciate you
listening.

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Thank you, Jim.

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Okay. Is there anybody else on the
video?

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Anybody else in the audience wishing to
speak?

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Okay. Council,

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do you want the synopsis read?
>> Yes, please. I think that there are a

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lot of people that may not may not have
the information if we don't read it out.

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» All right. Mayor and council. So, the
subject is new business discussion

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proposed uh TLT increase and related
ordinance amendments. Uh the city is

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evaluating a potential transient
lodgement tax increase as part of a

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broader effort to address the gap
between rising service, facility,

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reserve, and operating costs and the
revenue available to support those

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obligations. During the four-year 2627
budget process, staff recommended that

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the city pursue additional revenue
through a potential increase in TLT rate

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from 7 to 15%. The budget committee
approved the budget assumptions and

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supported the city council moving
forward with implementation of that

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increase. The city council adopted the
4year 2627 budget in June and is now

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beginning the public process to consider
the increase. City staff has been

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working with legal council on proposed
amendments to the city's TLT collection

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ordinance and any related cleanup that
may be needed in the short-term rental

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ordinance.
The goal is to bring draft ordinance

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language back to the council later this
fall. Tonight's discussion is intended

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to review the ex expected timeline,
identify opportunities for public input,

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explain the changes created by House
Bill 4148, and clarify how state tourism

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related terminology applies to Gearhart
while staying consistent with Congress's

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plan. The proposed increase is related
to tax collection. It's not a proposed

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increase on the number of short-term
rentals, expand vacation rental permits,

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create new lodging capacity, or change
Gearhart's existing rules for lodging

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and visitor related lane uses. The
comprehensive plan supports limited

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tourism and preserving Gearhart's
predominantly residential character

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while also recognizing the city's
financial responsibility and importance

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of existing local businesses.
The increase would apply to overnight

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visitors using lodging already allowed
under Deerheart's existing rules. This

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discussion is not a final decision on
the tax increase ordinance amendments.

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No ordinance adoption is proposed at
this meeting. Staff's recommendation is

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that the discussion only this discussion
only. Staff recommends council review

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the proposed timeline and provide
direction on any additional information

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needed before the draft ordinance is
brought back for consideration. My legal

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analysis on that is the current Oregon
statutes in House Bill 4148

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require revenue from an increase in the
TLT rate to be used according to state

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requirements and eligible tourism
related uses.

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The current proposal would increase
Deerheart's TLT from 7% to 15%.

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The existing 7% tax was established
before the current state's TLT framework

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and is currently allocated to the city's
general fund.

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The additional 8% increase would be
subject to the state's distribution

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requirements.
At least 50% of the revenue generated

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from the 8% increase must be used for
eligible tourism related purposes. These

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may include tourism promotion, tourism
related facilities or resiliency grants

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for small businesses in the restaurant
lodging industry. Up to 50% of the

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revenue generated from the increase may
be available for city services subject

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to applicable law. Council should keep
these requirements in mind when

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discussing how an increased TLT revenue
could support the city's budget,

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services, reserves, facilities, and
visitor impact costs.

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Financial analysis. The adopted 4-year
2627 budget assumes additional revenue

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from an increase in the TLT rate because
that revenue is built into the current

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budget. Timing is an important one. If
that increase does not generate revenue

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during the fiscal year, council will
need to identify replacement revenue or

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make corresponding budget adjustments.
House Bill 4148 takes effect January 1,

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2027, which makes ordinance timing
especially important. Actual revenue

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received during the fiscal year will
depend on the ordinance effective date,

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lodging activity, reankrates, and the
timing of quarterly tax reporting and

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payments.
Respectfully submitted. Thank you. Thank

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you, Chad. Are there any additional
presentations?

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Seeing no one's hand raised. Anyone in
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Okay, no hand raised. Are there any
rebuttals?

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Okay. At this time, I'd like to make a
motion to continue the hearing until the

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October city council meeting when we
will deliberate and make a decision on a

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possible first draft of the ordinance.
>> Second.

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Oh, did you make the motion?
>> Yes, I did. Okay. [clears throat]

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» Thank you.
>> Is there any discussion on the motion?

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Is that still that's still within our
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» Any other discussion?
>> All those in favor of the motion say I.

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» I.
>> I.

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Okay. It carries.
>> Thank you.

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» Thank you very much.
>> All right. Moving on to the regular

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meeting. We need to approve the minutes
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meeting.
>> Uh

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motion to approve with just one typo
defense.

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Um and that would be on page three under
fire chief first bullet. Um third line

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uh just talking about a wildfire urban
interface incident in Gearhart which was

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happening simultaneously
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it should be with simultaneously with

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second.
>> Okay. Couple couple of things I noticed.

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» [clears throat]
>> Good catch.

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» Um, and then on page eight,
uh, about midway down that large

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paragraph, a sentence that says he noted
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I'm wondering if and that should be if
the town is going to survive. That's the

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Well, it's more positive to say it is.
>> I think you should go to the person that

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said it. his intent.
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» This next stimulus

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so what was the fix?
>> It's the next line. He noted that the

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city cannot go into the red
So it's if or and is what's there

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» and I was

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this car isn't this car that sent us
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so you think it's more positive with if
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» no and
>> and

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» and with
>> okay

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» it depends what your intention was
>> it was to be positive so we'll go with

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» the positive.

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» Okay, [clears throat] we have a motion.
But can we have a motion with

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corrections

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» or did we have a motion?
>> It needs to be amended. I'll I'll draw

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my motion and I'm going to add another
uh make a motion and add uh councelor

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Dana needs to be added to the roster in
addition to one.

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» Okay. With corrections.
>> Yes.

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» Second.
>> Thank you.

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» Any discussion?
>> Thank you.

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» Yeah. Okay.
>> Yeah. down here on motion by councelor

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Coffler, second by councelor Ghoul.
>> No, but she's she's

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» I realize that that's why I have
disappeared. [clears throat]

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» But obviously you were here.
>> Well, she was here.

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» All right. All those in favor say I.
>> I.

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» I can't vote because I was not here.
>> I was part

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time.

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All right,
everyone's got the planning commission

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report. Any questions for Chad to
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» I have a question.
>> Um, on page four,

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does
Seaside and Canon Beach have different

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legal authority over beach regulation
than Garavart? Okay. I didn't know that

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for the call and I wonder if you could
elaborate a little. I can explain that.

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During the riots of 62, 63, 64,
the state highway department and and the

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state parks department gave Seaside the
ability to manage their own beach.

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10%
of the privately owned beach in the

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entire state of Oregon is in Canon Beach
from Second Street all the way past

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Hack.
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gives those residents and those property
owners sale over that.

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Okay, that's a historic that's the
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in ' 67 Tom came down and redeclared
that the entire Oregon coast was public

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highway one just like all the West did.
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And I'm not sure what the exact way is,
but it does give them the ability to

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differently manage their beach such as
restrictions having to do with ASAP rock

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natural uh part of that. Uh sand
management in seaside is part of that

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and um what they're able to do like such
as writing tickets and things like that

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on their beach versus ours. So I don't
know the details but those are some of

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the topics. So, is the reason that you
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that statemandated
like for a safety issue like not driving

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into the river
>> or is it because somebody made some

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forart some point in time
>> there's the snowy

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» well they're used
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you can't drive the dunes anyway but
years ago the the main approach to to

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the Gearhart beach was up off sixth
street to [clears throat] city way

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and then they moved it to the north
entrance or the north city limits which

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is 10th street and they and the city of
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said we'll have an agreement that people
can drive north of the 10th street

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approach but from the 10th street
approach south that that's a public

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beach and we used to have lifeguards in
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and uh which they did regularly in the
70s. U but that was that was for the

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residents and and the visitors to
Gearhart to make sure there wasn't any

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driving. So when people complain about
what's going on north of 10th Street, if

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they don't want to put up with the
traffic, they can always go down to the

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south end of 10th Street all the way
around to the estuary and they they're

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guaranteed that there's not going to be
any traffic.

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» So no governor was involved then?
>> Huh?

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» No governor was involved?
>> No governor. No, it was all long before

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I think long before Tom Paul. It was
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uh you couldn't drive style pry
that was for that was for recreation

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medical thing only [clears throat]
interest

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» well I went and attended the mayor's
conference at the beginning of the month

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in August
and I learned several things there and

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I'll speak to that in just a minute. I
also met with u the president and the

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city administrator
discussing city business.

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So when I was at the conference, I was
talking to several mayors and what they

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were
talking about

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and I'd like to raise the idea
for future discussion.

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We know there are several needed
improvements at the fire station

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and the bond failed shamefully,
miserably, it failed. And one option may

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be to address those projects one at a
time through a temporary projectspecific

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fee on water meters.
For example, a fee of perhaps $10 to $15

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every two months could be dedicated to
specific projects such as replacing the

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front bay doors. And these doors are the
ones that they use 2x4s to lift up all

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the way. 2x4s
for emergency services

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and would and once that project is
funded since this item is not on

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tonight's agenda, I am asking the
council to make not to make any

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decision. I am s geez I'm simply
like to know whether there is a general

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interest in having staff gather more
information on the concept and bring it

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back on a future agenda potentially in
October for full public discussion and

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council consideration.
[clears throat]

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Now,
I'm not asking for a $60 $70 search

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charge. I'm asking $10, $15.

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It's going to cost $120,000 for new
doors at the fire station.

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These are electric. They go up and down
on their own. They don't need 2x4s.

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It's a public safety issue. It's a
personnel safety issue. And I would like

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to know if you other four would be
willing to discuss this at the next city

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council meeting as an agenda item.
>> Yes.

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» Yes.
>> Um

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I'm going to say
no at this time because

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uh okay, number one, I'm not going to be
here. Number two, um

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we are in the planning stage of getting
a citizens group together to give us

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recommendations
on a

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large cadre of different types of fees
and things we can do besides the TLT

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to get more revenue for the city. And I
mean a couple other things were brought

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up, you know, like a sales tax. I heard
earlier. Um, so I think it should be on

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that list that I think we're going to
give the committee. Here are some

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suggestions. Please talk about these,
but we don't know exactly how that's

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going to roll out yet because we're
still in the planning phase, but I feel

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like it should for [clears throat] that
to occur or be a part of that. But that

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said, I won't be here for the October
meeting. So,

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I think Chad and I had this discussion
today.

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If the doors don't go up, it has to do
with the springs.

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And I think that what they need to do is
to maintain, have maintenance look at

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them, have coastal
garage door look at them, and have them

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see whether or not the springs are worn
out.

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because replacing springs is a heck of a
lot cheaper replacing the whole doors.

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» Okay, so let's just take this one step
at a time.

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» I don't know. I don't know when the last
time somebody went over there and

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tighten up the springs, but those doors
there used to go up, come down really

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easy. There's no reason why that you
have to push them up with a

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[clears throat] 2x4s.

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The springs have either worn out and
let's have somebody a professional let

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us know what the options are
or we make a decision as as to going on

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with this.
That's that's fine. Okay. And you said

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yes. Well, I I would like to punt it to
the committee because I think there's

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aspects that we may not be thinking
about. We be the LLC toolkit

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regarding this that they can look take a
closer look at. So, and then they'll

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bring it back to us. It sounds
reasonable.

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» Okay.
Well, having said [clears throat]

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or Paulina saying what she said, the
third thing I was going to discuss on my

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mayor's report is we are going to be
setting up a committee

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[clears throat] and we're going to have
applications

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probably sometime next week, right?
>> Sure.

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» Okay. And this committee
is um

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I don't have my right on
is to um help us find alternate forms of

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revenue for the city. I'm looking for
people that are willing to meet

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two times a month
and people that are serious about

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helping the city find alternate forms of
revenue.

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And it's um

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we'll have applications out next week.
It is um going to be between five and

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seven people
and uh

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really appreciate anyone with a
background

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in business or finance to apply and
someone off of the budget committee

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would also be handy.
So

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that's coming up. That'll be on the
blog.

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And uh
that's what I have. Is there anything

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else I missed, Chad?

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No, other than we're still in planning
stages for that group. I'm working with

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multiple counselors on how that's going
to be put together. They've discussed a

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little bit later as well that I touched
upon and there's still some things to

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work out, but
that's the direction we're headed.

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Certainly. Okay.
Good. All right.

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Sure.
I really don't have anything to report

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other than multiple meetings uh with
Chad regarding

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um
this committee that you just talked

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about.

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» Okay, that's it.
Fine.

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Uh I attended the
uh the uh small cities meeting down in

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Bay City uh several weeks ago. Uh the
one of the things uh that was of

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interest to me was uh there was a
presentation by a woman from the rural

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community assistance corporation which
uh they primarily help small cities with

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um
utility con consultation.

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Uh they also do some uh survey work
particularly in the area uh area of uh

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it's come up a number of times uh with
on the city council where we don't feel

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like we're getting our state revenue
sharing because of the accuracy of the

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numbers of how many residents there are.
They actually do surveying to get that

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number uh more accurate and help
[snorts] with the uh Portland State

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University
who [clears throat] puts that number out

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to the to the uh state. Um also they do
uh consultation on water works and uh

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waste management um which isn't
particularly a problem for us but

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it was it was very interesting
presentation. I shared contact

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information with Chad. Uh I met several
times with Chad on uh the work session.

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Um, I was net control for the women's
ham operators. Uh, a week ago, Sunday is

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the first time I've done that. So,
that's running the check in for all the

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women ham operators. We do that in case
of emergency services are needed. Uh, if

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all other communication is down, ham
radios will likely still work and so

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session for that. Uh, I met with Carrie
once. um about the uh double accession

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prep and um
I skipped the housing task force

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meeting.
>> Okay. Dana

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» um this last month was a little bit
slower for me. I had a um very close

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friend with a very serious um medical
emergency out of state that I was

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attending to. But um I did manage to
speak to several citizens about the um

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discussing a an increase in the TLT tax
and and how that would impact our city

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and uh the businesses here. I also um
spent quite a bit of time on the phone

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today and via email with a
representative of Bonamichi's office uh

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speaking about the United States Post
Office uh situation

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and uh they were very he he was very
interested in what's going on here. Uh

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just so everybody knows, we're not the
only city in this county that is having

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problems with the post office.
And uh I will go more into it later when

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we talk about the post office.

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Um I had a number of discussions with
local citizens also about the trans

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00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:46,599
tax and um
um I think that as we go further down

425
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:46,599
the line like that

426
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:58,040
work session or whatever
I'll deal with.

427
00:38:53,040 --> 00:38:58,040
» Okay. And I've had meetings with Chad.

428
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:09,119
» Thank you.
Moving on to city officer reports.

429
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:15,280
Chief of police.
>> Good evening.

430
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:20,320
» Uh so stats real quick. Had 158 calls
for service in the month of August. Uh

431
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:25,359
that totals up to be,77k
calls for service through the year.

432
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:30,800
Again, that's with three officers.
Um, so we've been we've been busy. Uh,

433
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:37,440
it's been a typical August. Uh, not as
busy as July, but it's it's been pretty

434
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:40,320
steady. We're getting the job done. Uh,
to let you know, there'll be a mass

435
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:44,880
casualty incident drill. It's going to
be September 24th. This is going to be

436
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:49,119
put on by Providence Seaside Hospital.
Going be staging at the North Coast

437
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:54,240
Family Fellowship. Uh so it's just a
drill on a specific incident where mass

438
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:58,800
casualties occur and how everybody can
work together to kind of make sure that

439
00:39:55,599 --> 00:40:03,119
we operate in the best most effective
manner. So uh if you see a bunch of cars

440
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:07,040
staged over there that's probably what's
going on. So just heads up should be fun

441
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:11,760
good training.
Um Barrett is going to go to Bend uh

442
00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:14,960
next or this month later in the month
for some investigative training. It's

443
00:40:13,839 --> 00:40:19,520
going to be really good training for
him. um he's looking forward to it and

444
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:23,359
I'm glad to send him to it. Uh I'll be
leaving for the National Academy on

445
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:28,240
September 29th. So that's coming up and
again everything has been taken uh care

446
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:33,680
of for my absence and Sergeant Brown
understands it role in this as well. So

447
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:38,800
everything's been taken care of and I
appreciate the explore exploring

448
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:43,280
alternative resources uh for revenue.
So, uh, happy to see council moving

449
00:40:41,119 --> 00:40:47,520
forward with that and, uh, can provide
any input that you would like from my

450
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:51,920
end any time. So, thank you.
>> Thank you.

451
00:40:49,119 --> 00:40:58,480
» Oh,
do you want to go first?

452
00:40:53,680 --> 00:41:04,640
» Uh, sure. I we're discussing doing
potential quick meeting, special counsel

453
00:41:01,599 --> 00:41:10,000
if you will, on the 24th. It'll be the
same day in the evening as the drill.

454
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:13,280
Okay. So the the 24th during the day,
uh,

455
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:17,520
Chief Gregory wants to make a
presentation uh in front of the council

456
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:22,720
to some of the staff members for some
good work being done and we were hoping

457
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:27,359
that you might be available for that. So
I would send you an email and uh we put

458
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,720
that date together and if not we'll
explore some other dates.

459
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:34,880
» What's that for?
>> Little award ceremony. just a short

460
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:39,599
little presentation for
>> um my question was last time you uh

461
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:45,359
talked to us at the last council meeting
you said that you're going to have I

462
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:50,480
believe on 17th of August multi- agency
meeting regarding the July 4th situation

463
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:53,440
here just wonder if you want to update
us

464
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:56,480
» sure I'm sorry I forgot about that too
so much going on it was actually a

465
00:41:55,040 --> 00:42:00,960
really good meeting we had
representatives from the juvenile

466
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:07,359
department the state park showed up um
OSP and other agencies. Um it's kind of

467
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:12,079
one of those almost felt like a meeting
about a future meeting situation, but

468
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:15,359
there were a lot of good ideas proposed.
Um I'm very thankful that the juvenile

469
00:42:14,079 --> 00:42:21,760
department was there. they seem
receptive to the idea of contributing

470
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:27,119
some type of help um here on scene uh
during the 4th of July to kind of give

471
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:30,560
us a little bit of um time management
where we can bring them the juveniles

472
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:34,319
here and they can wait for a parent to
come and pick them up.

473
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:37,839
» Uh so they were receptive to that and we
kind of have some creative ways to keep

474
00:42:36,319 --> 00:42:40,240
them here and have give them something
to do while they're waiting on their

475
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:45,359
parents to get here. Just little things
that you know we have to we have to work

476
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:49,599
through. Um,
as far as as far as presence goes

477
00:42:48,400 --> 00:42:53,040
though, that's still going to be an
issue. We're kind of trying to figure

478
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:57,920
out who we can bring in from the outside
to kind of assist us, whether that be

479
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:03,200
law enforcement or other creative ways
to man the beach, I guess, is the best

480
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:08,000
way to put that, uh, for more presence.
U, it's still a challenge. There's a lot

481
00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:10,560
of It's one of those situations I've
found that where you you come up with

482
00:43:09,359 --> 00:43:14,400
and this is why it's good to have
everybody in the room when you do these

483
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:18,240
meetings. I may have a very good idea,
but having another person from another

484
00:43:16,240 --> 00:43:22,720
department that goes, I like that idea,
but right, but there's this. And

485
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,359
hopefully if we keep having these
meetings, we're going to get to the

486
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:30,079
point where everybody at the table's
going to go, that's brilliant. Uh, that

487
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:35,040
could work. And so we don't get the yeah
butts. And it'll happen eventually, but

488
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:41,200
there's always going to be some hiccups.
Was there any talk about or conversation

489
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:42,800
about mitigating the situation?
>> Do you mean

490
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:48,240
» preventing
>> preventing? Right. So, we know as we've

491
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:51,760
tried in the past has been the the
emails to this to the parents from the

492
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:55,520
school with the school trying trying to
work with the the parents and the kids

493
00:43:53,440 --> 00:44:00,319
and putting out messages of how
dangerous, you know, it is out down

494
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:05,440
there and just the blight it is on the
community that they're really just

495
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:10,480
coming to to trash and leave, right? Um,
I don't think that did very very well

496
00:44:07,599 --> 00:44:14,079
for us. Uh, we've tried to get the SRS
or the school resource officers

497
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:18,800
involved. A matter of fact, they're one
of the few groups that didn't chime in

498
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:22,480
and we offered it on Zoom for them to
attend the meeting. That may be a

499
00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:27,440
challenge. Uh, they're not in our
county. They're busy. They're in the

500
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:31,440
metro area. They're and and also that
was before school took. Now they're in

501
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:34,720
school again. They have a daytime
schedule. it may be easier to get them

502
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:37,200
to come to another meeting in the
future.

503
00:44:35,359 --> 00:44:42,800
» I wonder if there's uh do you think
there's liability issues as far as the

504
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:47,680
school people chiming in?
>> There could be as far as them assisting

505
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:51,280
us, but I well physically, but I don't
see an issue with putting out a message

506
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:56,880
from them. I, you know, they're really
just promoting safety, right? And I I

507
00:44:53,839 --> 00:45:00,400
think a lot of this is parents
turn a blind eye to the fact that their

508
00:44:58,720 --> 00:45:03,920
kids are coming here on the 4th of July.
And a lot of the parents we speak to

509
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:07,040
are, "Oh, I did I've heard this many
times." Well, I didn't know he was in

510
00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,280
Gart. I didn't know she was in Gurart.
>> She was supposed to be at her friend's

511
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:12,160
house.
>> They're supposed to be down at the house

512
00:45:10,720 --> 00:45:15,280
of men's need.
>> And hey, look, I was a teenager once,

513
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:18,400
too. I get it. I we understand how these
things work and parents, we know how

514
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:22,160
these things work, but you know, there
comes to a point where something's got

515
00:45:19,680 --> 00:45:25,599
to give. So, yeah.
>> So, you all are going to have another

516
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:30,400
meeting? Is that the next step?
>> Yeah. the the ID actually the juvenile

517
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:35,200
department uh individual asked me if I
would be willing to participate maybe a

518
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:40,079
council for the county commission
meeting and it's not it's not the actual

519
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:43,760
county commission meeting it's just a a
secondary meeting to that where they all

520
00:45:42,640 --> 00:45:47,359
come to the table and kind of just
discuss

521
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:51,680
things that are happening in the county
and it might be a good opportunity for

522
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:55,599
us to chime in on that and say you know
this is what we're dealing with on the

523
00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:59,440
4th of July what can you do to help
So

524
00:45:56,079 --> 00:46:03,680
» what's the state park stance on this?
>> Well, they don't have any enforcement

525
00:46:01,440 --> 00:46:08,160
capabilities, right? And so for
instance, things like the the guy that

526
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:13,119
had the DJ booth going, uh, and I say
booth, he had a table set up with a with

527
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:17,520
a generator, an electric generator, so
it's quiet and he can play music, right?

528
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:22,560
Loud music. Well, that's that's an
event. And so you need a a license or a

529
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:26,880
permit to do such a thing. So, little
things like that that they could

530
00:46:24,720 --> 00:46:30,560
probably assist with the paperwork
portion, but at the end of the day, it's

531
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:35,599
OSP's
uh jurisdiction. And so, they're the

532
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:40,640
ones that enforce the law on the beach.
So, it's going to but that was brought

533
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:43,680
up and so maybe next year we can say,
"Hey, cut it off." You know, those

534
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,319
people go out there say, "Turn it off.
You can't do this. Do you have a

535
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:50,079
permit?" "No." "Okay, you need to leave
or turn this off." And we take their

536
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:53,119
music away. We'll find something else.
But

537
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:56,720
» it's just little things like that.
>> I'm sorry to ask you all this question.

538
00:46:54,560 --> 00:47:01,440
I was curious. Is OSP willing to
actually put people on the beach?

539
00:46:59,119 --> 00:47:05,119
» Yes, they they want to.
>> It's

540
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:10,079
they don't have the the the means. I
mean, they only have so many people. Was

541
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:14,960
brought up that the MRT team, which is
just a

542
00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:20,000
a larger group that go to special events
from OSB of troopers. Uh they usually go

543
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:25,119
to Seaside. Seaside's a mad house on the
4th of July. Uh I wouldn't say probably

544
00:47:22,640 --> 00:47:28,800
worse than we are on the beach.
>> Um

545
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:32,240
our our issue is unique because it's a
lot of juveniles. That that's the

546
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:37,599
problem that we face versus where
there's just chaos, right? So but

547
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:41,520
Seaside's getting a better handle on it.
And so it was brought up with a

548
00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:46,480
lieutenant here from Seaside even was in
in attendance that maybe we should start

549
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:51,920
bringing those MRTs here next year. And
so we may have a bicycle presence of

550
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:56,560
state troopers that can ride up and down
Maryland, right, and deal with the kids

551
00:47:53,760 --> 00:48:02,160
that are drinking in their cars and and
uh try to stop from drinking period or

552
00:48:00,240 --> 00:48:05,680
or before they can drive because
obviously we're not going to make them

553
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:10,000
leave if they're impaired, right? If
they can't drive a car. Uh but just

554
00:48:08,319 --> 00:48:13,920
maybe getting ahead of it before it
starts. We try to do that, but again,

555
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:19,280
we're three people and there it's just
it's a it's a mad house and so

556
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:25,040
we're going to call to call. We don't
really have time to go car to car is the

557
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:28,240
issue we ran into this year. So, with a
larger OSP presence, it could be

558
00:48:26,720 --> 00:48:30,640
helpful.
>> May I add a couple things to what you

559
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:34,720
just said?
>> Just real quick, we've got a lot of work

560
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:39,280
to do yet. We've done some pile watches.
He's brought some people together uh and

561
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:43,440
we've got a team of people in place, but
we're not done. We uh what we learned

562
00:48:41,839 --> 00:48:46,319
from last year, we know we need to
increase some sort of parking

563
00:48:44,880 --> 00:48:50,800
enforcement, some better parking
restrictions, the potential has been

564
00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:55,200
discussed with people calling, did we
close down the 10th Street Beach

565
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:58,400
approach? Do we uh get our who was I
talking to today? Do we get our

566
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:03,440
representatives
involved to have them help us maybe get

567
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:06,800
through some of these things? So, there
is going to be future meetings. We don't

568
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:11,520
have them scheduled yet. We need to do
that in a timely enough fashion to be

569
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:16,079
able to do the work for the next event.
Uh it feels like it just ended, but time

570
00:49:13,599 --> 00:49:22,720
is ticking. So, we'll get more
information. I'll work with Josh Gregory

571
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:26,240
and Josh Como on that. And uh we'll have
more to report and some other ideas as

572
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:30,240
well. I think it's going to take the
privilege to assist us.

573
00:49:28,079 --> 00:49:34,319
» And there may be some uh ask of the
community to volunteer next year. You

574
00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:39,040
know, that's been thought of as well to
volunteer to keep people from or go out

575
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:43,280
instead of parking barriers along Marian
on the northbound side of the roadway

576
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:48,880
where you're not supposed to park there
anyway, right? But you know the liming

577
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:51,920
effect one does in 15 north follow. So
that that's that's when they jump out of

578
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:55,200
the car, they're gone. We can't find
them. We don't know where they're at.

579
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:59,040
No, a tow service. Maybe look at that.
One would think they would say, "Oh man,

580
00:49:56,720 --> 00:50:03,359
this is how I go to start towing cars."
Well, they don't have enough time to do

581
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:06,480
that. I guess there's other crashes,
there's other things. We only have so

582
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:11,119
many wreckers in the or recovery
vehicles in the in the county. And so,

583
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:16,559
they may come get one or 10 even. But
you saw last year just along the north

584
00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:22,319
northbound lane, I mean, there was 50 or
60. So, it's it's Yeah.

585
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:28,400
Yeah. But we're we are working on it.
Trust me, it's a lot of people observe

586
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:32,079
what it could be this year and saw what
is actually happening and I think it

587
00:50:30,640 --> 00:50:39,400
raised a lot of eyebrows. So,
>> okay. Thank you. Appreciate it.

588
00:50:33,680 --> 00:50:39,400
» Oh, excuse me. Oh, go ahead. No.

589
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,640
» You're leaving. You're going on a
special little trip.

590
00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:48,400
» Yes.
>> Do you mind if I say something about it

591
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:52,960
or do you want to say something about
it? Please. I Chief [clears throat]

592
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:57,920
Gregory was chosen to go to the FBI and
get training.

593
00:50:54,640 --> 00:51:01,920
I don't know if any in the U audience
know this. He's one of just a few a

594
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:06,240
handful. Right.
>> Yeah. There's there's only four in this

595
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:11,839
count over Yeah.
>> over everything. Right. I just wanted

596
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:17,119
you to be aware that the man is doing
his job and doing so well that they're

597
00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:20,559
pointing the finger at you and say,
"Come on out here and let's give you a

598
00:51:19,599 --> 00:51:23,760
little extra."
>> Thank you, Mary. Appreciate that.

599
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:27,599
» Well, thank you.
>> Pleasure. You have some, sir.

600
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:31,839
» Okay. Going back to the 4th of July.
Okay.

601
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:40,079
» This has been going on since I Yeah.
>> Okay. We we had this culture war

602
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:44,880
for over 20 years.
We had the head of the parks department.

603
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:52,160
We had the common of of the state
police. We had the sheriff's I mean the

604
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:57,280
sheriff cell. We had
the represent the senator that

605
00:51:54,640 --> 00:52:05,040
represents Taso County and we had the
representative

606
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:08,319
represent county and everybody agreed in
two different meetings that they were

607
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:13,119
going to everybody was going to step up
to the plate. What this council needs to

608
00:52:11,119 --> 00:52:20,480
understand is if you go down the 10th
Street approach where the asphalt ends,

609
00:52:17,119 --> 00:52:25,839
that's the west limit of the city.
Everything from there on

610
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:33,119
is state parks.
Okay.

611
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:38,400
So to put our police force in jeopardy
down there

612
00:52:35,839 --> 00:52:41,839
as far as I'm concerned, you know, I
mean, the fire department's going to go

613
00:52:39,680 --> 00:52:48,880
down there if there's a if there's a
medical emergency, but as far as the as

614
00:52:44,559 --> 00:52:54,119
far as the policing of the of the Vich,
that's that's state parks and highway

615
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:54,119
department.

616
00:52:54,160 --> 00:53:02,400
So that's that is that is what Chad and
I talked about today and that's what

617
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:06,960
we're going to be pushing for is to get
everybody this and hold their feet to

618
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:13,000
the fire
and hopefully we get this done before

619
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:13,000
spring break.

620
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:20,000
That's that would be great, right? And
and hold their feet in front. We lead by

621
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:24,800
example, right? And so for your heart
police department to go out there on the

622
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:29,200
4th of July on on the beach, which
>> policing in Oregon, Oregon officers have

623
00:53:27,599 --> 00:53:32,240
jurisdiction statewide. So we're going
to help each other and there's no way

624
00:53:30,880 --> 00:53:35,520
that I'm going to have just be like,
"Oh, no. We're not going to go out

625
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:39,040
there." Plus, it's a collaboration.
>> They're parking here in town.

626
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:43,280
» They're coming into town anyway. It's
the same. What whatever line they cross,

627
00:53:41,680 --> 00:53:47,200
they're our problem just as much as they
are theirs. It's just wherever they're

628
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:51,599
at at that moment. I like that idea of
saying, "Hey, we're we're showing we're

629
00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:56,720
doing we're helping and and they see
that. I really do genuinely see uh

630
00:53:54,400 --> 00:54:00,640
Lieutenant Hazen with OSP seeing the
problem who is a Gear Heart resident

631
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:05,119
seeing the problem, recognizing it, and
going, man, what can we do to help?"

632
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:08,480
It's and and then he's getting help
above him. I've I've observed his

633
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:13,520
captain said, "We're going to send
people here." And and it happened this

634
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:17,119
year. Was it enough? Probably not. But
it was more. It was more than I've seen

635
00:54:15,359 --> 00:54:20,079
since I've been here. And I think it'll
continue to grow with the MRT and all

636
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:23,520
that. So
>> maybe maybe we should have a maybe what

637
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:28,720
we should do is get a fund that the
residents pay into that we can go and

638
00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:33,760
buy a bunch of boots to put on wheels
for the people that park on the north on

639
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:37,599
the northbound lane there so they can't
move there.

640
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:41,760
» I mean that and that could be a I mean
that's a parking violation. I mean

641
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:46,640
they're they're violating the parking
ordinance. Hey, um I might just run a

642
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:51,040
barrier. I know it wouldn't be pretty,
but it'd be for one day, right? Just run

643
00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:56,079
some type of barrier that the most cost
effective barrier that we can find that

644
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:59,680
hugs the northbound lane and runs right
along the side of the road and there's

645
00:54:58,240 --> 00:55:02,400
no way for them to park there.
>> Yeah, but aren't they just going to go

646
00:55:00,960 --> 00:55:05,440
to the side streets?
>> Sure. And that's another issue. What

647
00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:09,680
does that does that spill into cottage?
Did they come down and we've had them in

648
00:55:07,200 --> 00:55:12,160
Betto? U Yeah. I mean, it's going to
happen.

649
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:14,800
» It's going to happen. Yeah. Yeah. The
kids I talked to that was on Seventh

650
00:55:13,920 --> 00:55:17,119
Street. It was
>> Yeah. They like to go down

651
00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:19,920
» to the creek.
>> Yeah.

652
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:21,359
» And that's where they were parking. Can
I ask you a question?

653
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:26,559
» Yes.
>> What do you think would

654
00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:30,640
» Where did you spend the most of your
time or what type of calls took up the

655
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:34,640
most of your time?
>> Drunk teenagers.

656
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:38,240
» So drunk teenagers.
>> Did [snorts] you have physical assaults?

657
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:42,000
» Uh we had a
>> Did you have speeding? Um, you know,

658
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:46,640
there was supposed to be Yeah.
>> Did you have trespassing?

659
00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:49,599
» I don't remember if trespassing was a
specific calling.

660
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:52,799
» Yeah, actually did. I know. Yeah, you
were calling my brain. Trying to

661
00:55:50,799 --> 00:55:55,520
remember. Yeah, we had a couple 13.
>> Did you have suspicious people? These

662
00:55:54,160 --> 00:55:59,760
people are on my street. Can you come
talk to them?

663
00:55:56,319 --> 00:56:02,960
» Okay. So, all of those calls and you had
three officers to handle the entire

664
00:56:02,319 --> 00:56:05,440
weekend.
>> Yes.

665
00:56:03,359 --> 00:56:10,720
» Right. So, you have to spread them out
over a 24-hour period, which means that

666
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:14,240
in order to get as much coverage as
possible, all three of you on on the

667
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:17,520
night of July 4th,
>> there's a lot of overtime.

668
00:56:15,599 --> 00:56:19,839
» Yeah. You were working way beyond what
anybody should reasonably expect you to

669
00:56:19,359 --> 00:56:21,599
work.
>> Yes.

670
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:26,400
» Right. And safely work.
>> Okay. I'm just So, if we were to create

671
00:56:23,839 --> 00:56:30,400
more rules, more laws, or say you need
to do one thing more, is there a way

672
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,960
that you could do one thing more? one
more law that you could enforce.

673
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:36,880
» Very taxing.
>> Without us giving you the assistance

674
00:56:35,119 --> 00:56:38,160
that you need, and that would require
some money.

675
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:43,440
» Thank you.
>> I can recall driving home on the morning

676
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:47,520
of the 5th of July at about 700 a.m.
thinking that I just get home now.

677
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:52,400
» Or am I home yet? Like I was exhausted.
>> And some of you worked 20our shifts with

678
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:56,000
no showers, no locker room, no real
state. Yeah.

679
00:56:54,400 --> 00:57:01,200
» Got it. Thank you.
>> Thank you, team. Can I make a comment

680
00:56:59,440 --> 00:57:05,359
with him
just as a private citizen?

681
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:06,960
» Well, Chief, do you mind? I don't mind
at all.

682
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:12,799
» Please, please.
>> I just want to say thank you to him. I

683
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:19,440
mean, I'm hearing this big stuff, but he
cares about just individual. He sat at

684
00:57:15,920 --> 00:57:26,160
our table. Um, we had a problem with our
neighbor big time. He came and listened

685
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:33,599
to us and he went over and talked to the
neighbor and the neighbor isn't speaking

686
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:37,680
words to us anymore. He's flipping us
the bird whenever he can.

687
00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:40,240
» Gesturing
call down below.

688
00:57:39,040 --> 00:57:44,880
» Absolutely. Okay.
>> And thank you for

689
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:49,839
appreciate it. Thank you.
>> Appreciate you. Yeah. Okay. We're going

690
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:56,720
to go to
fire chief. Thank you, sir.

691
00:57:54,720 --> 00:58:03,520
So, August forest had a total of 81
calls. Um, inside the city was 28 and 41

692
00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:08,720
was inside the district for those. We
sent out a 12 times for August. Five of

693
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:14,240
them was to seaside. There was a
technical rescue. We helped him with a

694
00:58:10,319 --> 00:58:18,880
wildland fire. Uh MVA involved in trauma
and two times needed extra manpower.

695
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:23,760
Went to Louis Clark once for a structure
fire. Uh three times a warranton. One

696
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:27,520
was a structure fire. One was a motor
vehicle accident. One time was just

697
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:31,440
coverage on a drill night. Uh they had
drill outside of the district at Merk.

698
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:35,920
So we covered it for that night. Um for
that call went to LC once for a wildland

699
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:40,079
fire out there. [clears throat] We
received aid four times. Once was from

700
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:44,559
the organ department of forry for a tip
about a burning call we had. Uh once was

701
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:48,960
a water rescue. Cases came and helped us
with that. Another time medics was

702
00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:52,880
unavailable. So seasides ambulance came
to our call and transported for us. And

703
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:56,799
then we had a car fire loose and Clark
road that was a remote location and we

704
00:58:54,559 --> 00:59:01,760
were also at the same time helping
cover. I think that was a structure fire

705
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:06,559
in Loose and Clark and so other ripple
effect others come up and help us with

706
00:59:03,359 --> 00:59:11,359
that one. And then we had uh two WAN
fire mobilizations last month that um uh

707
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:14,640
they're sensible both at the same time
with that. And because of the summer

708
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:18,319
staffing grant, what we had, we were
still able to staff the station and

709
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:24,640
staff all of our calls. Everything was
there. And then uh this year, like I

710
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:29,040
said, was 81 calls. August last year was
69 calls.

711
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:33,760
Right. I don't know if there's any
questions. That's all I got. Anyone with

712
00:59:31,520 --> 00:59:37,920
questions?
R2.

713
00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:47,920
» Yes. Thank you. Thank you.
>> Okay, moving on. Master of money.

714
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:52,240
» So, revenues to note were in 10 00221
and that was from Pacific Automation for

715
00:59:50,319 --> 00:59:57,920
a $5,000
incentive payment for updating and

716
00:59:54,480 --> 01:00:04,240
renewing our copy machine uh lease. So,
they took our old copy machine away with

717
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:11,200
our it was expiring and we renewed with
a different type of structure for our

718
01:00:06,799 --> 01:00:17,440
payment and they um gave us a $5,000
incentive check back. So, we received

719
01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:23,359
that. Um
and 450018

720
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:28,960
uh for the city's procurement of state
revenue chair. So, we received our first

721
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:34,799
payment. It's I think about $800 less
than last year. Um which we anticipated

722
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:42,400
it being lower. So we'll just have to
continue to watch that. Expenditures to

723
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:47,359
note were in 10 1263 purchase services
uh to Lexiple for police service

724
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:53,200
support. 10372
purchase services to HR view for the

725
01:00:50,400 --> 01:01:00,400
fire department service support.
20 2014,

726
01:00:56,400 --> 01:01:07,440
which is for the 2021 refunding bond
interest. And this is our um annual

727
01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:14,160
first installment interest payment that
we have to pay every year um for our

728
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:18,960
water geo bond. And then we have another
payment in the spring with interest in

729
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:24,960
our principal.
and 30 3064 the water purchase to the

730
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:32,160
city of Gearhart. Uh warranted water
rates increased 4% for us this year and

731
01:01:28,640 --> 01:01:37,599
the city of Gearhart used an additional
160,000

732
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:45,520
gallons or warranted uh over last July's
bill. So we used more water this year.

733
01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:49,520
I also wanted to mention that I moved $5
just because I didn't want it to stand

734
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:56,880
out and people would notice this one
little $5 thing from 100038

735
01:01:54,400 --> 01:02:03,920
um on the first page for revenues on the
technology fee. It's been moved to 40006

736
01:02:00,960 --> 01:02:08,319
technology fee. Uh, and moving forward,
all the technology charges that are ran

737
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:17,200
through Asella, so that's our building
software. Um, all of our charges go

738
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:23,040
through that program in the
fund 40. So, we should keep them in 40.

739
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:30,160
So, I just move that $5 over there. The
revenue and expenditure budgeted versus

740
01:02:25,920 --> 01:02:37,040
actual report. So this first report uh
is created each month for the city

741
01:02:32,799 --> 01:02:42,000
council packet. I deliberately uh didn't
complete the end of the month

742
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:49,119
transactions for our approved inner fund
loan from the water reserve fund so that

743
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:55,760
you can see that the general fund um was
negative without the inner fund loan

744
01:02:52,000 --> 01:03:04,079
transfer. So, our revenues were less
than our expenditures. So, if you look

745
01:02:59,359 --> 01:03:08,799
at um page one, the total line for the
general fund under the revenues, it's

746
01:03:06,079 --> 01:03:15,839
about halfway down, it was uh about
$516,000.

747
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:22,720
And then if you look at page seven
there up at the top, the general fund

748
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:29,280
expenditures, it was $550,000.
So we actually did not have enough

749
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:34,079
revenue to pay our expenses um without
the inter fund loan, which I made the

750
01:03:31,839 --> 01:03:40,640
transfer. I wanted you just to be able
to see it um before I made the um a

751
01:03:38,400 --> 01:03:46,640
journal entry.
So, I made the loan transfer on August

752
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:52,240
31st for 35,000 to bring the fund to a
positive balance. This negative balance

753
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:57,599
was anticipated and caused by the city's
beginning fund balance um being low and

754
01:03:55,760 --> 01:04:03,680
not receiving the majority of our
property tax revenue until November and

755
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:08,480
also paying out um the con flag
expenditures. We had a lot of them uh in

756
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:12,559
the last two months and we don't receive
that revenue right away. it does take a

757
01:04:10,480 --> 01:04:16,160
while. So, we have to pay that money up
front and then we have to wait for those

758
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:21,520
checks to come because it's a
reimbursement model. So, those were the

759
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:27,200
three reasons why uh the city
anticipated the shortfall in the general

760
01:04:23,680 --> 01:04:31,760
fund and we have allowed up to 300,000
to be temporarily borrowed. I only

761
01:04:29,359 --> 01:04:35,599
transfer what we need. Um there's no
need to transfer the whole 300,000.

762
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:41,280
We'll just transfer it as we need it
when it gets negative.

763
01:04:38,319 --> 01:04:45,760
in the check detail report each month uh
confidential information is removed. So

764
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:52,000
when you look through that document it
does say for confidentiality

765
01:04:48,799 --> 01:04:57,920
um things have been removed. This uh the
things that have been removed are uh

766
01:04:54,880 --> 01:05:03,039
employee specific personally
identifiable payroll data. So the way

767
01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:09,200
that that report works is every check
that is written um it has the vendor and

768
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:15,359
then the information
um regarding that deduction. So that it

769
01:05:12,480 --> 01:05:21,440
would have an individual employees name
and data in there uh contains such

770
01:05:18,319 --> 01:05:26,880
things as garnishment uh personal tax
withholdings uh voluntary deductions. So

771
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:33,440
if you put money to certain things from
a personal uh basis which would be

772
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:38,079
totally identifiable because it's the
employees name and then it has all of

773
01:05:35,119 --> 01:05:45,680
them listed. So we have just removed
those out of there. We have put in the

774
01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:52,480
gross wages by department report the
final report on the end and that is

775
01:05:48,240 --> 01:05:59,839
provided for what we take out. So that
is all the wages in a way that is

776
01:05:56,400 --> 01:06:06,079
viewable to you so that you can see all
the amounts that we've charged um just

777
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:10,880
in a format where it isn't necessarily
has the employees name and their

778
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:17,920
personal voluntary deductions. And then
the deductions that are important that

779
01:06:13,599 --> 01:06:24,079
are employee employer related like PERS
and um insurance they are in our check

780
01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:28,960
detail because we actually write a check
to them. So again it's not individual.

781
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:33,760
It doesn't say Justine Hill we paid this
much. It says this line item we paid

782
01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:38,160
this much money for CIS insurance. And
that is in the check detail report. So

783
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:44,480
all the information we take from that
report is viewable. Um I just wanted to

784
01:06:42,640 --> 01:06:50,480
mention it again because it had come up
and the intention is not to take

785
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:57,440
anything out of there that is not
viewable by all people. So it's just the

786
01:06:53,839 --> 01:07:02,720
way that that report works. Uh auditors
were here and went over some new Gatsby

787
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:08,160
requirements. Uh they also expressed a
lot of gratitude for the city's advanced

788
01:07:04,799 --> 01:07:13,839
prep for their visit. Uh I always love
talking to them. They're a a a great

789
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:18,960
company [snorts] and they give a lot of
support and guidance and are very

790
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:23,839
professional. So I really enjoy them
down here even though they were only

791
01:07:20,319 --> 01:07:29,839
here for a day. The financial stability
of the city is essential and the budget

792
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:35,520
document and process are fundamental.
And at the last work session, it was

793
01:07:32,319 --> 01:07:41,039
suggested that I provide a five-year
reside revised to three-year budget

794
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:47,680
forecast. And I do feel that this is
really important. I agree that it

795
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:52,640
provides key opponents components when
evaluating the city's financial status.

796
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:57,839
And as I mentioned at the work set
session, uh my current workload does not

797
01:07:55,520 --> 01:08:04,079
allow me the time to adequately work on
the project. I have reached out to

798
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:10,319
several companies. Um, I used LOC as a
resource and another organization that I

799
01:08:06,799 --> 01:08:17,759
belong to for business uh, government
officials and uh, reached out to several

800
01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:24,000
companies and the only one that's
available and can meet our timeline is a

801
01:08:20,880 --> 01:08:31,600
company called Health Sustainable
Communities uh, HSC

802
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:37,839
and they are able to provide the service
So unless there's an objection, I do

803
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:42,640
plan to enter an an agreement with them
and they will review the city's existing

804
01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:47,440
QuickBooks financial data and current
Google Sheets budget document. They'll

805
01:08:45,279 --> 01:08:52,159
prepare a three-year budget projection
for the city of Gearhart, organized by

806
01:08:49,759 --> 01:08:57,839
department and fund using the city's
existing budget structure and formats.

807
01:08:55,440 --> 01:09:02,239
They'll incorporate anticipated future
projects and known department needs into

808
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:07,600
the projections.
They'll facilitate three virtual

809
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:12,239
meetings to review, refine, and present
the projections.

810
01:09:09,759 --> 01:09:19,359
And they'll deliver a final three-year
budget projections in Google Sheet

811
01:09:14,719 --> 01:09:25,199
format uh for ready for the city to use
and present. So the first retainer is

812
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:30,799
$5,000
with the caveat not to exceed$10,000.

813
01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:38,000
And although this project was not
anticipated in the budgeting process, we

814
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:42,000
were fortunate that our CIS liability
insurance came in lower than we

815
01:09:39,679 --> 01:09:47,799
budgeted. So if you look at the line
item in our expenditures. So if you look

816
01:09:44,799 --> 01:09:47,799
at

817
01:09:50,000 --> 01:10:00,960
page three
um 10 1048 we budgeted 56,000 and it

818
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:08,480
came in at 46,000. So we have in theory
$9,000 that we anticipated to spend that

819
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:18,640
we 96 that we aren't going to have to
spend. and I would plan to use that as

820
01:10:16,080 --> 01:10:24,159
compensation to finish the project and
they will have it to us at the beginning

821
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:29,520
of November. So if we have a committee
start in October

822
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:34,560
um having meetings
understanding where our situation and

823
01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:40,480
then they will present um to the
committee and to the council uh what

824
01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:45,920
they find and where the trends they were
an amazing company to talk to. They do

825
01:10:42,960 --> 01:10:49,920
amazing things. Of course it's it's
expensive. like they would completely

826
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:55,120
take us from start to finish, but it
would be like $25,000.

827
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:59,280
Um they do application, you know, they
help with applications for these types

828
01:10:56,880 --> 01:11:05,199
of committees. They'll give you um
suggestions and I I mean they they were

829
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:10,400
really amazing to talk with, but maybe a
little bit more than we can afford at

830
01:11:06,719 --> 01:11:15,040
this point. So that's my request.
>> Thank you.

831
01:11:12,159 --> 01:11:21,600
And Justine, I happened to have a chance
to talk to the auditors and they had

832
01:11:18,480 --> 01:11:26,239
nothing but praise for your preparation
for them and they say it's always a

833
01:11:23,840 --> 01:11:32,080
pleasure being here because you've got
everything set up for them. It's almost

834
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:38,000
like a walk in the park. So, thank you
so much for your professional.

835
01:11:35,280 --> 01:11:41,600
All right,
Chad, you're up.

836
01:11:40,320 --> 01:11:46,800
Uh, thank you, Mayor C. Oh,
>> we uh we don't have a a lawyer on

837
01:11:44,719 --> 01:11:50,719
screen, so I'm just going to you.
>> Yeah. Okay.

838
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:53,440
Uh, you have my city administrator
report. I'm going to keep mine very

839
01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:56,880
short. I really don't have anything to
report. You've been looking at a lot of

840
01:11:55,040 --> 01:11:59,840
things. City administrator report,
you'll notice over the last couple

841
01:11:57,920 --> 01:12:02,800
months it's been expanded. You know, I
took some questions from people that

842
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:07,520
were saying, "Well, what is it that you
do here every day, Chad?" So, I'm trying

843
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:13,120
to answer that as best that I can. So,
if you have any questions, I'll answer

844
01:12:09,280 --> 01:12:16,000
them. Otherwise, all
>> we're gonna talk about postal service

845
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:19,000
separate. So,
>> y

846
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:26,960
um on the page three under the of
category,

847
01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:33,679
uh it says staff is evaluating a
regional building official coordination

848
01:12:30,719 --> 01:12:35,760
and resource sharing opportunity. I
didn't understand what you're talking

849
01:12:35,440 --> 01:12:40,159
about.
>> Uh there's other towns that are having a

850
01:12:37,679 --> 01:12:43,440
lot of uh issues. keeping a building
code enforcement officer. So, we're

851
01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:47,199
entering into conversations with them
about what's going on in the communities

852
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:52,239
and how the potential for sharing could
be. Uh, in particular, Canon Beach is

853
01:12:49,600 --> 01:12:55,520
looking at going with a new model. So,
we're just going to participate and see

854
01:12:54,239 --> 01:13:00,480
if there's anything to be learned in
that. And if there's any efficiencies,

855
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:05,120
then we can do that. But, um, Dear's in
really good shape.

856
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:10,480
» So, we don't have a a major need at this
point. So that's just a discussion where

857
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:13,845
you're sharing stuff and it's we're not
going to share Leonard. [clears throat]

858
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:21,920
» We shared him with Manzanita. We shared
them with Canon Beachside.

859
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:26,000
» I don't know Warrington this time lately
story. He's worked for them all but not

860
01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:29,760
through us but through us at least three
different towns where we help and and

861
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:35,280
they take it's no cost to the city of
Gearart. Uh they just pay him uh an

862
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:38,159
agreement between them and him.
Yeah, we're lucky to have him.

863
01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:43,440
» Same as we do.
>> Exactly. We pay as needed. He is a

864
01:13:40,719 --> 01:13:49,040
contract employee. He is not a full-time
employee with Sydney yard and we pay him

865
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:55,520
a percentage of the building permits and
or law is that all building permit funds

866
01:13:52,480 --> 01:14:00,640
have to be spent in building permit
things. Well, I better attorney. So,

867
01:13:58,719 --> 01:14:03,679
just heads up. That's how it works. It's
not as though we can start charging

868
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:09,199
people a whole lot of money for building
permits and then start spending it in

869
01:14:05,679 --> 01:14:13,120
many other categories. That's having to
do with state law. So, that's one of the

870
01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:17,280
things that we're going to be going over
with the financial committee as well.

871
01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:22,960
The items that we have to educate.
>> Okay. One other question. Sorry. Uh

872
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:26,320
Thompson Creek land transfer.
>> Yeah, there's people that are talking

873
01:14:24,640 --> 01:14:34,159
about Thompson Creek. There's other
entities. uh the uh uh con tribe uh are

874
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:37,280
is interested in talking about that
piece of property. The reason we're

875
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:43,280
talking about it is because we had that
cold failure up there and so they're

876
01:14:40,080 --> 01:14:48,640
interested in um talking with the city
about what our long-term plans are for

877
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:54,719
that piece of property. We've had all
the cursory discussions. This is the I

878
01:14:51,760 --> 01:15:00,960
think we have 120 acres up there total
uh at Tan Tubs and Falls and um they're

879
01:14:58,480 --> 01:15:04,400
going to come back at the city with more
questions but nothing we're going to

880
01:15:02,480 --> 01:15:08,960
report at this point. We're not asking
for a donation of the land. They're

881
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:12,960
curious about what the city's plan is
for that land and they want to have more

882
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:15,280
discussions with us about it. Haven't we
gotten yet?

883
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:18,719
» Okay. So, we're not transferring any
land at this

884
01:15:16,400 --> 01:15:24,000
» No, ma'am. I uh would not advocate for
that uh in any way at this point. And if

885
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:30,239
we did and uh it would definitely be a
council decision uh not administrative.

886
01:15:26,960 --> 01:15:34,800
» Did you say we own 120 acres?
>> I think it's about there. Yeah, it's a

887
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:39,679
the old wershed. Uh it's where Gearhart
used to get its water up above Thompson

888
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:44,960
Falls by the Thompson Falls neighborhood
at the top of the falls. the city of

889
01:15:41,600 --> 01:15:52,800
Gearhart many moons ago and I'll have to
defer our resident historian here maybe

890
01:15:49,920 --> 01:15:57,760
the there was a dam built up top and
that dam then provided pressurized water

891
01:15:55,199 --> 01:16:03,120
because of its location to the city of
Gearhar when Kirhar was much much

892
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:09,040
smaller was also not treated and it was
not uh it was surface water coming down

893
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:13,120
that particular area most of that area
is watershed

894
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:18,159
The only time that the city of Pearart
received any revenue from that was after

895
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:22,640
the 2007 storm when we did some salvage
logging, this is before Chad, uh, and

896
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:26,320
that salvage logging came to about
$20,000 worth of revenue to the city of

897
01:16:24,800 --> 01:16:30,640
Gearhart. That was a onetime thing, but
otherwise there's no management plan on

898
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:37,040
that property. So,
>> so is there any value

899
01:16:33,920 --> 01:16:44,159
to the city of that land?
That question could be answered after

900
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:47,840
there was uh some assistance from um
some other organizations that could help

901
01:16:45,679 --> 01:16:56,000
us with timber cruisers to determine
whether or not there's any marketable uh

902
01:16:51,600 --> 01:17:00,640
lumber uh or if there is uh there is
some value to the city of Gart because

903
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:05,600
we use some of that property as a saging
area for debris storage

904
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:09,840
uh and handling
way back in the I think it was also

905
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:14,239
where the
dog uh what's that called?

906
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:18,320
» Haven.
>> Yeah. Yeah. It used to be called the

907
01:17:16,320 --> 01:17:21,920
animal haven where all the lost dogs
would go was up into that area and there

908
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:26,719
was a building up there that was torn
down. Ghart was in charge of it. So

909
01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:29,199
there's some history to that property.
>> There's also range

910
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,840
» police shooting.
>> Yeah. And we have a shooting range up

911
01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:35,120
there
>> still.

912
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:38,960
» Yes.
And when he says debris storage, he

913
01:17:37,040 --> 01:17:41,600
means vegetation.
We don't have like trucks or anything up

914
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:46,080
there.
>> It's just debris that and we burn it

915
01:17:43,679 --> 01:17:52,560
once a year when it's safe. But it's
just lens and we don't the yard debris.

916
01:17:50,859 --> 01:17:57,120
[clears throat]
>> All right.

917
01:17:54,480 --> 01:18:03,120
Are we good?
>> You can ask a question. Chad, um, to the

918
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:10,239
best of your knowledge, does the city of
Seaside have So Leonard

919
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:11,840
just does building code enforcement?
Correct.

920
01:18:11,040 --> 01:18:15,280
» Correct.
>> Okay.

921
01:18:12,239 --> 01:18:17,280
» Uh, and he does short-term vacation
rental inspections.

922
01:18:16,960 --> 01:18:21,120
» Okay.
>> That is around the building.

923
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:26,719
» Right. Right. But if there's other when
somebody

924
01:18:22,640 --> 01:18:31,120
um does seaside have a code enforcement
person that handles things other than

925
01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:34,960
building like there's a car parked on my
you know on the neighbor's lot that

926
01:18:33,120 --> 01:18:37,679
shouldn't be there or those bushes need
to be cut back.

927
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:43,120
» They have a code enforcement officer and
they also have a police officer that is

928
01:18:40,480 --> 01:18:46,719
a community policing officer that deals
a lot with some of the homeless some of

929
01:18:45,280 --> 01:18:50,640
those parking issues and those sorts of
things as well. How many police officers

930
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:51,840
does Seaside have?
>> 20.

931
01:18:51,199 --> 01:18:54,719
» 20.
>> 20.

932
01:18:52,480 --> 01:18:57,679
» Does Does Beach have a code enforcement
officer that that handles that kind of

933
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:00,320
stuff?
>> Yes, they do.

934
01:18:58,719 --> 01:19:04,320
» Does Warranton have a code enforcement
officer that handles that kind of stuff?

935
01:19:02,239 --> 01:19:09,040
» Uh, I believe so.
>> I think they might have had an opening.

936
01:19:06,719 --> 01:19:10,400
» Yeah, I think they have a position for
that.

937
01:19:09,440 --> 01:19:12,320
» They have a position for it.
>> What about Atoria?

938
01:19:11,679 --> 01:19:15,840
» Yes.
>> Okay. So, Gearhart is one of the few

939
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:20,719
around that does not have a code
enforcement officer. The citizens here

940
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:24,000
um do not pay for a code enforcement
officer other than a building. I know.

941
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:26,560
Well,
>> yes.

942
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:29,280
» You are our city administrator. Is that
correct?

943
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:34,080
» Yes, ma'am.
>> He's also

944
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:40,760
» That was my point. That was my point.
>> Okay.

945
01:19:36,080 --> 01:19:40,760
» Any other questions, comments?

946
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:44,600
There are no visitors.

947
01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:51,120
Is that correct?
>> Correct.

948
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:55,199
» Okay. We're going to move on to oral
public comment. Anyone wishing to

949
01:19:53,120 --> 01:20:01,760
address the city council concerning
items of interest not on the agenda may

950
01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:07,600
do so at this time. All remarks will be
limited to five minutes per person.

951
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:15,600
Requests to comment electronically must
be submitted by email to the city

952
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:21,440
recorder at info@c cityofgeearart.com
no later than 400 pm the day of the

953
01:20:18,159 --> 01:20:27,199
meeting. Inerson attendees wishing to
speak are required to sign in prior to

954
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:32,800
the meeting.
I'm going to

955
01:20:29,679 --> 01:20:37,040
go to my signin board.
Deanna Manel, please state your name and

956
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:45,280
your address.
>> Hi, uh Deanna Nel, 2945 Highway 101

957
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:55,040
North Airport. Um I submitted a letter
in your packet concerning 13th Street

958
01:20:49,920 --> 01:21:05,360
and the issue down there is there's a
couple parcels of land that don't have

959
01:20:59,199 --> 01:21:12,239
clear ownership. Uh, Adam Niles and I
had, you know, both reviewed, you know,

960
01:21:08,719 --> 01:21:18,159
a lot of the legal descriptions, tax
accounts, and everything.

961
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:26,719
And he found that there was um, a parcel
of land that had originally been owned

962
01:21:21,360 --> 01:21:36,640
by Barney Lucas back in 1939,
and he died in 1985.

963
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:46,000
And the county has no record of
who got titled to that 86

964
01:21:40,960 --> 01:21:52,719
by 90 foot strip of land down there. He
also found that there's a 15t strip of

965
01:21:50,960 --> 01:22:05,360
land
um that is a pedestrian path. We also

966
01:21:58,320 --> 01:22:16,800
can't find any deed to that land. So,
Adam and I thought that perhaps we could

967
01:22:10,480 --> 01:22:24,080
ask the council to do um a full title
search to determine the ownership on

968
01:22:21,440 --> 01:22:31,040
those two parcels.
It's pretty important because um

969
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:39,600
um
kid wants to use the property down there

970
01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:43,840
at the end to extend 13th Street, you
know, [clears throat] so he can build

971
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:51,440
out there in the dunes. So he had
originally got Pacific Palisades

972
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:58,159
to sign an access easement, but we had
found that they don't own that land. And

973
01:22:55,360 --> 01:23:04,560
so what
I would suggest

974
01:23:00,639 --> 01:23:12,639
if if it sounds reasonable
for the council to hire a title

975
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:18,719
insurance company and do a deep search
to find the ownership and that would

976
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:24,960
clear up everything. Right now
uh nobody can do anything with that land

977
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:29,840
you know. So,
um,

978
01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:35,520
just as a suggestion,
I I've only ran into that issue one

979
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:42,239
other time in all the years I've
surveyed, and that was over on Hagar

980
01:23:38,560 --> 01:23:48,320
Street between um, Weager Horn's Land
and Palace Land. That's the only time in

981
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:54,800
all these years
that

982
01:23:51,280 --> 01:24:01,760
we cannot search the uh card file at the
courthouse and figure out who who owned

983
01:23:58,239 --> 01:24:06,000
you know that strip of land. So in that
case you go to a title insurance

984
01:24:03,600 --> 01:24:11,199
company. So I'm just, you know,
suggesting that perhaps you might be

985
01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:16,080
interested
in pursuing this route. But thank you

986
01:24:14,159 --> 01:24:20,520
very much.
>> You're welcome. Thank you.

987
01:24:21,440 --> 01:24:24,440
Okay.

988
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:34,440
We were also received a letter from

989
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:43,480
St. Paul St. Vincent Deal thanking us
for their donation they received.

990
01:24:45,440 --> 01:24:53,760
And then there's a letter from
I want to say Kai Fullerton, but

991
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:56,960
» is that Kai?
>> Yes.

992
01:24:54,320 --> 01:25:04,280
» Thank you.
on transient mar room tax

993
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:04,280
and he's um

994
01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:14,320
asking for a refund. I don't we'll have
to talk about that chat. I'm not sure if

995
01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:21,520
that's something we can bring up right
now and do anything with.

996
01:25:18,239 --> 01:25:25,480
and you uh made a notice of election for
Gearhart city council

997
01:25:25,520 --> 01:25:34,880
is another
letter that we got and that means that

998
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:40,800
the three people running Joseph Clark
and Virginia Dennium are all valid

999
01:25:39,040 --> 01:25:44,800
candidates.
Is that correct? Correct. have a sense

1000
01:25:42,239 --> 01:25:50,800
of the council's far
county.

1001
01:25:46,719 --> 01:25:56,239
» Right. Okay.
Is there anyone in the video audience

1002
01:25:53,760 --> 01:26:02,769
that needs to talk at this time on a
subject that is not on the agenda?

1003
01:26:00,480 --> 01:26:06,239
I see no hands.
[clears throat]

1004
01:26:03,679 --> 01:26:10,719
Excuse me.
All right.

1005
01:26:08,560 --> 01:26:15,880
Correspondence we went through. We have
no late correspondence, I take it.

1006
01:26:16,080 --> 01:26:24,000
Okay, we have old business, the United
States Postal Service.

1007
01:26:21,199 --> 01:26:28,719
Is anyone in the audience want to speak?
You have three minutes to speak to this

1008
01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:39,320
if you do
seeing no hands. Anyone on the audio

1009
01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:39,320
video want to speak about the USPS?

1010
01:26:40,159 --> 01:26:48,360
I see no raised hands.
Okay, let's talk about this.

1011
01:26:48,719 --> 01:26:57,199
Chad, read us our synopsis, please.
>> Yes, Mr. Mayor and council. Uh following

1012
01:26:54,719 --> 01:27:03,600
the closure of the Gearhart contract
postal unit on February 27, 2026, the

1013
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:08,400
city has continued working with USPS to
identify a workable long-term mail

1014
01:27:05,440 --> 01:27:13,600
delivery solution. USPS has indicated a
willingness to provide cluster mailbox

1015
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:17,679
units and installation if the city can
identify an appropriate location. The

1016
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:23,520
primary challenge is finding suitable
property for a centralized facility.

1017
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:28,159
city owns very little property and that
could accommodate the mailbox units,

1018
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:33,199
customer access, parking, circulation,
ADA accessibility, and safety USPS

1019
01:27:30,880 --> 01:27:38,800
servicing. Earlier discussions
contemplated approximately 300 mailbox

1020
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:44,080
component uh compartments. More recent
information from the USPS uh just last

1021
01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:49,679
month indicates the potential need for
closer to 900 to 950

1022
01:27:47,679 --> 01:27:53,600
compartments substantially increasing
the amount of land and infrastructure

1023
01:27:51,120 --> 01:27:58,000
required. City staff is evaluating
whether any properties could reasonably

1024
01:27:55,440 --> 01:28:02,880
accommodate facility at this size. If a
centralized location cannot be

1025
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:07,199
identified, another option may be to
distribute smaller groups of cluster

1026
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:13,600
mailbox units throughout different
neighborhoods. The city is also asking

1027
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:18,080
USPS whether any grant facility or other
funding programs may be available to

1028
01:28:16,159 --> 01:28:23,440
assist with property acquisition or site
development. Residents who previously

1029
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:28,400
received free post office boxes are not
necessarily limited to continuing post

1030
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:34,400
office box service in seaside. If a
resident is located along an existing

1031
01:28:30,960 --> 01:28:38,880
USPS carrier route, the resident may be
eligible to request residential mail

1032
01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:42,480
delivery directly from USPS.
Staff will continue working with USPS to

1033
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:48,159
confirm the number of configuration of
mailbox units needed and evaluate

1034
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:52,560
potential locations and explore
neighborhood cluster mailbox options and

1035
01:28:50,800 --> 01:28:58,159
determine whether funding assistance is
available. To date, I have not heard

1036
01:28:55,040 --> 01:29:01,800
back from USPS from the email I sent
about two weeks ago.

1037
01:29:02,320 --> 01:29:12,719
» Go ahead. Did you send it to
>> I sent it to Ryan Chest Dane uh the USPS

1038
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:16,120
uh director in this area
for this area?

1039
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:27,280
» Do you do you think that that 900 to 950
is

1040
01:29:23,440 --> 01:29:33,120
» correct? Seems like a lot.
It seems like Gearheart would be a part

1041
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:38,719
of offering boxes to people that are not
necessarily living in Gearhart with that

1042
01:29:35,199 --> 01:29:42,960
calculation but are close enough to
previously have been using the post

1043
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:47,679
office as well. So, I'm not sure exactly
how the calculation has since I received

1044
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:53,040
that information.
And then sent a email to Brian Chesty

1045
01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:59,040
and I haven't heard back from him.
>> And we I don't know too cuz we thought

1046
01:29:56,719 --> 01:30:05,280
about it is is that if that includes
like every single homeowner at the condo

1047
01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:12,800
units because this point they don't
necessarily have delivery

1048
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:17,840
there. So they have to provide a box, an
account or a box even if they've never

1049
01:30:15,120 --> 01:30:25,920
had a PO box before because the
residents could change. So they have to

1050
01:30:21,120 --> 01:30:30,480
provide a mailbox for every home. So we
were thinking maybe that includes some

1051
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:34,560
of the areas.
>> So potentially we've got a lot of empty

1052
01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:41,639
boxes that are
>> That would be my guess. That would be my

1053
01:30:36,560 --> 01:30:41,639
assumption just based on the 900.

1054
01:30:42,639 --> 01:30:50,400
» Did you have a question?
>> So basically

1055
01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:57,520
everything in the southside is
eligible for home delivery. I'm going to

1056
01:30:54,159 --> 01:31:02,719
defer to Miss Justine. She has the map.
>> Yes. So we were given the map and the

1057
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:10,080
map was the official delivery zone and
non-dely zone for the city of Gearhart

1058
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:15,199
by the local postmap you know worker. It
was not an official USPS document. It

1059
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:22,320
was just a document she had prepared for
us. So the post office and seaside

1060
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:28,880
confirmed that any delivery that they
had done before they you would be

1061
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:37,760
allowed. So we like to say from Pacific
Way south, but Hersel Circle,

1062
01:31:32,719 --> 01:31:43,840
Shinook, um, Ridge, those are are
>> in fact north, but they've had delivery

1063
01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:48,880
before. Now, why? We don't know the
answer to that. So, they still continue

1064
01:31:46,719 --> 01:31:53,920
to have delivery, and we have had quite
a few of those residents put up

1065
01:31:50,800 --> 01:32:00,960
mailboxes there. So
>> the general rule is if you live Pacific

1066
01:31:56,719 --> 01:32:08,239
Way or South, it's likely you can have a
mailbox, but you need to go to the USPS

1067
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:14,400
in Seaside to confirm that because a lot
of the delivery they did not deliver. So

1068
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:21,360
Marian, they didn't deliver. um maybe
Nidita uh some of those areas and they

1069
01:32:18,400 --> 01:32:27,040
have allowed and incorporated those in
because they were on that side. So

1070
01:32:24,480 --> 01:32:31,840
» So my question is
the reserve is part of your art

1071
01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:34,080
» and they have a box system at the
reserve.

1072
01:32:32,480 --> 01:32:37,280
» They have a box system at the reserve.
>> They have a little house.

1073
01:32:35,199 --> 01:32:39,920
» Okay. The Highlands.
>> No.

1074
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:44,880
» Okay. Palisades.
>> No.

1075
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:48,719
» Pine Ridge. Nothing
anything north of gun clever.

1076
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:51,719
» No,
>> except

1077
01:32:53,040 --> 01:32:59,120
» not us.
>> Okay, I know.

1078
01:32:55,679 --> 01:33:02,639
» There were people there were sur
>> there were people in Surf Pines that

1079
01:33:00,480 --> 01:33:08,320
used to have post office boxes here.
Half of half of Surf Pines is seaside

1080
01:33:06,159 --> 01:33:12,639
gearart side. Half of it is the Lawren
side. I have it in the war side and I

1081
01:33:10,159 --> 01:33:17,040
get it delivered.
>> Yeah.

1082
01:33:13,679 --> 01:33:22,159
» So the 900 950 is what they're
anticipating if they have to service

1083
01:33:20,239 --> 01:33:25,760
everybody in the condos and everything
else

1084
01:33:23,120 --> 01:33:31,840
» in the Gearart city limits. They will
not ever allow anybody that has the

1085
01:33:28,719 --> 01:33:36,320
option of delivery to have the system.
The only people who will be eligible for

1086
01:33:34,159 --> 01:33:40,560
these cluster boxes are people who have
a physical address in the non-dely area.

1087
01:33:39,199 --> 01:33:44,639
That's it.
>> No one else.

1088
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:48,960
» I don't see where where the postal
service is going to get enough land or

1089
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:56,400
whether we're going to get enough land
to put 900 or 950 cluster boxes in.

1090
01:33:52,000 --> 01:34:02,080
» Well, they're 24 per box. So 24 divided
by 9 900 divided by 24. It just seems to

1091
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:06,639
me that it'd be a lot easier for the
rural delivery guy.

1092
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:12,239
» 300.
>> Don't disagree. Don't disagree.

1093
01:34:08,159 --> 01:34:16,800
» To drive down the drive down cottage
or drive down Maryland.

1094
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:22,400
» Yeah.
uh in 2016, I think it was 2016, for

1095
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:27,199
some reason 2014 is in the back of my
head, but in 2016, United States Post

1096
01:34:24,639 --> 01:34:32,400
Office Service changed their policy for
the entire United States of America that

1097
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:36,080
all new
neighborhoods were not going to get

1098
01:34:34,159 --> 01:34:41,440
street delivery, that they would only
have cluster box delivery.

1099
01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:47,280
So, Richie Development would get cluster
box delivery

1100
01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:49,840
that was developed prior to
>> is it a non

1101
01:34:48,320 --> 01:34:54,560
» that is a non-d delivery
>> non delivery area

1102
01:34:52,480 --> 01:34:57,679
» they're not letting them do that
>> I think we need to get a hold of our

1103
01:34:56,000 --> 01:35:02,480
representatives and senators and start
pushing back against the joy and his

1104
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:08,560
group
>> well I had [laughter]

1105
01:35:05,360 --> 01:35:12,800
I' I've spoken with Javad with Javity
I've spoken with the secretary of state

1106
01:35:11,040 --> 01:35:16,719
um especially when we all didn't get our
village pamphlets uh distributed the way

1107
01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:23,840
that we were supposed to if you had a PO
box. Uh I have spoken with uh both our

1108
01:35:20,719 --> 01:35:30,080
senator's offices and today I spoke with
Bonamichi and I have spoken repeatedly

1109
01:35:27,600 --> 01:35:37,211
with Ryan Chastine and I even had a few
conversations with um that nice guy Ryan

1110
01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:38,800
Sherman down in um Seaside
>> [clears throat]

1111
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:45,880
» um
who was not my friend before. Anyway, um

1112
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:55,679
the problem is one of the delays is that
um I'm getting the impression that there

1113
01:35:54,080 --> 01:36:00,560
are some things that they have not
considered um that this may be something

1114
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:04,639
I don't know if they've dealt with this
or not, but they did not consider the

1115
01:36:03,199 --> 01:36:08,960
fact that we do have a bunch of
homeowners down here in this area that

1116
01:36:07,040 --> 01:36:13,040
could get delivery that have not been
getting delivery. And so we have asked

1117
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:17,360
them, what are you going to do with
those folks? Are they included in your

1118
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:21,440
900 or are you going to tell them we
don't have we're going to create a PO

1119
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:24,880
box for you? If you want mail delivery,
you have to set up a something right

1120
01:36:23,440 --> 01:36:29,440
next to your driveway because they are
entitled to do that. In any other city

1121
01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:34,080
I've ever lived in, um that is the way
they've done it. They don't give you a

1122
01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:38,239
box when you have the ability to put one
right next to your driveway. Um they

1123
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:43,199
have not gotten back to us. The other
problem that I have is that we ask them

1124
01:36:41,040 --> 01:36:48,400
repeatedly, how are you going to
communicate this to the citizens because

1125
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:52,400
they seem to think that we could tell
them which people in Gearhart they're

1126
01:36:51,119 --> 01:36:55,440
not delivering to?
>> Well, we don't deliver to them to. So,

1127
01:36:54,000 --> 01:37:00,719
we don't know who you're not delivering
to. And and she'll tell you that the map

1128
01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:03,920
that she got is I mean, it's not written
in crayon, but it might as well be,

1129
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:08,320
right? It's not an official map.
Correct. So, I would never want to rely

1130
01:37:06,080 --> 01:37:13,679
on that. and as a as a government entity
give information to people and tell them

1131
01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:18,639
rely on this information and we've been
bitten by trying to help people in our

1132
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:23,679
community by giving them information and
then the US post office will turn around

1133
01:37:21,119 --> 01:37:29,040
and and flip their decision on it and
then we it's it's breeding distrust. So

1134
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:32,800
I've been very we should be very careful
on what we give out. But I am pushing

1135
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:36,639
back on him and I hope the city is
continuing to push back on him saying

1136
01:37:34,639 --> 01:37:40,719
how are you going to communicate this to
people and why aren't you? And that was

1137
01:37:38,320 --> 01:37:47,199
one of my key discussion points with
Bonamichi's office today is they are

1138
01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:50,159
serving the community here and they are
not treating their customers well.

1139
01:37:48,880 --> 01:37:54,480
They're not giving them the information
that they need. The only letter, the

1140
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:58,880
only official communication we ever
received from them was back in January

1141
01:37:57,360 --> 01:38:02,239
or February when they said, "You need to
start going to the seaside post office."

1142
01:38:00,639 --> 01:38:07,040
And even that information turned out to
be wrong because they told us we could

1143
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:12,960
pick it up pick up our mail from 8 to 5
and 8 to 10:30 on Saturdays. And then

1144
01:38:10,320 --> 01:38:17,199
the next day, they put a notice on the
post office door saying, "Oh, you can't

1145
01:38:14,960 --> 01:38:20,159
pick up your mail until after 10:30."
Well, which means you can't pick up your

1146
01:38:18,639 --> 01:38:23,920
mail at all on Saturday because they
closed at 10:30. So, I went down there

1147
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:29,840
and that's the first discussion Ryan
Sherman and I had. Um, so they

1148
01:38:28,159 --> 01:38:36,080
that's part of the discussion that we've
been having. I hope that they understand

1149
01:38:32,239 --> 01:38:41,360
now that this is a far more complicated
um process than they thought it was. And

1150
01:38:38,239 --> 01:38:47,920
yeah, um 9 and what would we say? 900
boxes divided by 24 is about 38

1151
01:38:46,320 --> 01:38:53,040
locations throughout our community.
There's no way we're going to be able to

1152
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:58,000
location. They only had about 700 over
there. And yes, we do have to have a box

1153
01:38:55,920 --> 01:39:01,199
or at least the ability, the option for
a box because if somebody sells their

1154
01:38:59,520 --> 01:39:04,320
house and somebody moves in or somebody
becomes a full-timer and they want to

1155
01:39:02,480 --> 01:39:10,639
pick up their mail, they have to have a
spot. So, we have to we have to pre-plan

1156
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:16,239
for all of that and it will not we UPS
United States Post Office needs to

1157
01:39:12,159 --> 01:39:19,600
figure this out because this affects so
many things.

1158
01:39:17,199 --> 01:39:23,199
» Ben Franklin's rolling in his grave
>> and they [clears throat] are letting

1159
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:27,119
people put individual mailboxes in front
of their house

1160
01:39:25,119 --> 01:39:29,040
that
not cluster boxes.

1161
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:32,880
» Right.
>> I see Larry and and his next door

1162
01:39:30,960 --> 01:39:35,679
neighbor down here put them on the north
side.

1163
01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:40,320
» Okay. Well, that's a whole thing.
>> Go to the post office. It makes no

1164
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:43,920
sense. And I warn everybody, do not do
anything without talking to them face to

1165
01:39:42,639 --> 01:39:47,760
face because
>> there are so many stories about people

1166
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:53,040
putting mailboxes and then being told
they can't they will not deliver them.

1167
01:39:50,400 --> 01:39:57,360
» He comes up south and then he goes down.
Soon as you do, park and run across the

1168
01:39:54,800 --> 01:40:02,159
street. We don't know. It's not the
city. We're not taking that part out. We

1169
01:40:00,320 --> 01:40:06,159
mentioned that it may be a possibility.
And we have a process to where people

1170
01:40:04,320 --> 01:40:09,520
actually have to come in the city and we
have to approve where they're going to

1171
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:13,360
put the box because of utilities and
underground and that sort of thing. So

1172
01:40:11,199 --> 01:40:17,040
that is something that permit needs to
be paid for and then we go through a

1173
01:40:14,719 --> 01:40:22,719
little process but you're not handling
the individual yes you can no you cannot

1174
01:40:20,239 --> 01:40:27,360
that was not our decision. So, so if
somebody wants thinks that they might be

1175
01:40:24,400 --> 01:40:30,639
entitled to put a post a post box right
next to their driveway or on their

1176
01:40:28,800 --> 01:40:34,800
property, they should first go to the
post office and confirm that. And if I

1177
01:40:33,040 --> 01:40:36,080
was that person, I would take a witness
with me,

1178
01:40:35,280 --> 01:40:40,639
» take a picture,
>> um, and take a picture or something. Uh,

1179
01:40:38,480 --> 01:40:45,360
if you can get it in writing, uh, good
luck. Try. Um, and then after that, come

1180
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:48,880
and talk to the city and find out if
there's anything you need to do to meet

1181
01:40:47,280 --> 01:40:52,639
our requirements as far as city
ordinances or placements or whatever.

1182
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:57,040
Because what we would want not want
people doing is putting it right next to

1183
01:40:54,639 --> 01:41:02,320
the asphalt because um, our city is
uniquely designed and where we have a

1184
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:06,560
lot of roads that are paved and then
gravel also. And that gravel area is

1185
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:11,040
city property. So, you wouldn't
necessarily be able to put a a post

1186
01:41:08,320 --> 01:41:14,320
office box right next to the the paved
area. You would have to put it on on the

1187
01:41:13,119 --> 01:41:17,040
edge of your property.
>> Well, because there's underground

1188
01:41:16,159 --> 01:41:19,679
utilities,
>> right?

1189
01:41:17,679 --> 01:41:25,199
» So, you need to have a bouquet.
>> Right. Right. So, post office and then

1190
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:30,800
us and and then you should be covered.
And I would strongly recommend to take a

1191
01:41:28,080 --> 01:41:35,920
picture or a hard copy of where you're
putting that mailbox when you go down to

1192
01:41:32,639 --> 01:41:40,960
the USPS and you make them show approve
it right there. They like Dana said, you

1193
01:41:38,480 --> 01:41:45,199
can get them to initial it or somehow,
but you make sure that you have

1194
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:51,040
something that says
yes, it's okay because we have some

1195
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:56,239
issues. You know, we hear about it here
because people are very frustrated.

1196
01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:59,760
» Yeah. Well, so anyway, that's the only
update that we can give you is that they

1197
01:41:57,679 --> 01:42:04,560
now think they know the number, but they
have not since last week, they haven't

1198
01:42:02,239 --> 01:42:08,880
replied on whether that number includes
the people that were living south of

1199
01:42:06,560 --> 01:42:13,199
Pacific Point that had post that had PO
boxes, if those folks are going to be

1200
01:42:11,679 --> 01:42:18,080
asked to get their own or they're going
to be included. So, we're waiting to

1201
01:42:15,199 --> 01:42:21,600
hear back on that. And then Yeah. And
then we have to figure out where we're

1202
01:42:19,280 --> 01:42:25,360
going to put these
um because if people want to get their

1203
01:42:23,119 --> 01:42:29,040
mail, it's not ideal, but uh we're going
to put these mailboxes someplace.

1204
01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:32,239
» We are not.
>> Okay.

1205
01:42:31,040 --> 01:42:36,320
» We're not we're
>> No. Well, as a community, we're going to

1206
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:42,400
have to we're going to have to allow
them in our community someplace.

1207
01:42:38,480 --> 01:42:46,880
» Okay. So, can we move on to uh the work
session followup?

1208
01:42:45,119 --> 01:42:50,000
Is there anything else for the post
office?

1209
01:42:48,400 --> 01:42:56,639
» Okay,
Chad, will you read the synopsis on our

1210
01:42:52,480 --> 01:43:02,000
old business? Oh, sorry. Is there anyone
wishing to make a comment

1211
01:42:59,600 --> 01:43:08,400
about our old business strategic
direction work session followup?

1212
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:15,679
Nobody in the audience? Is there anyone
on screen that wishes to do this?

1213
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:20,080
Okay, I see nobody anywhere. Chad,
please read the synopsis. Uh,

1214
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:24,960
» the purpose of this agenda item is to
summarize the August 27th work session.

1215
01:43:23,199 --> 01:43:29,840
Uh, confirm the next steps for the city
strategic direction process.

1216
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:34,960
At the August 27th work session, council
discussed Gearhart's long-term

1217
01:43:31,679 --> 01:43:39,520
direction, financial sustainability,
service expectations,

1218
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:43,600
infrastructure needs, and future
community involvement.

1219
01:43:41,840 --> 01:43:47,360
Council generally supported preserving
Gearhart's primarily residential

1220
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:52,880
character and livability while
maintaining core services, public safety

1221
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:57,920
readiness, infrastructure,
financial stability, affordability, and

1222
01:43:56,000 --> 01:44:02,480
community trust.
Based on the discussion, the strategic

1223
01:44:00,159 --> 01:44:07,440
priority areas may be organized into the
following five buckets.

1224
01:44:04,719 --> 01:44:13,920
One was financial stability, reserves,
and infrastructure maintenance.

1225
01:44:10,159 --> 01:44:18,639
Number two was public safety readiness.
Number three was water infrastructure

1226
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:24,800
and water rights.
Number four was community understanding,

1227
01:44:21,199 --> 01:44:30,320
involvement, and livability.
Number five is business support.

1228
01:44:28,560 --> 01:44:34,400
These priority areas are intended to
guide the next phase of staff work and

1229
01:44:32,239 --> 01:44:40,480
council discussion.
for the next steps staff per direction

1230
01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:46,320
that begin working on following
brief summary

1231
01:44:43,679 --> 01:44:53,520
working on that now and that's what this
is part of a highle financial outlook

1232
01:44:51,119 --> 01:44:59,360
which we will be providing information
for and you heard Justine's update on

1233
01:44:56,560 --> 01:45:04,480
what she's working on
known service infrastructure reserve and

1234
01:45:02,320 --> 01:45:08,320
capital needs
which we're working with staff currently

1235
01:45:06,320 --> 01:45:13,280
on that
continued review of PLT and other

1236
01:45:10,239 --> 01:45:17,600
funding options
draft charter for temporary advisory

1237
01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:23,679
group
discussed a little bit public

1238
01:45:20,159 --> 01:45:27,440
communication community involvement
staff will keep this work at a high

1239
01:45:25,199 --> 01:45:32,080
level at this stage will return to
council with draft materials for review

1240
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:35,679
staff recommends that council confirm
the general prior priority areas and

1241
01:45:33,679 --> 01:45:40,159
direct staff to continue preparing the
next phase of work including a draft

1242
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:45,440
advisory group charter and high level
work plan.

1243
01:45:42,880 --> 01:45:51,440
No legal or financial analysis on this
particular synopsis. That's the general

1244
01:45:48,320 --> 01:45:55,360
direction that we're headed. Uh that's
involving all the conversations that we

1245
01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:59,920
had in the work sessions. It's also been
working with the city councilors on an

1246
01:45:56,880 --> 01:46:03,679
individual basis on the next steps
and I think we've got a pretty good

1247
01:46:01,360 --> 01:46:07,119
heading on this situation.
I know that uh councelor Sharon,

1248
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:12,480
councelor point have also been working
very closely with me on some of the

1249
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:18,719
ideas on working through these issues.
They have something uh for us to report

1250
01:46:14,159 --> 01:46:22,080
tonight. But that is the uh synopsis.
>> Thank you.

1251
01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:30,719
» Hey ladies, that something you want to
report? Well, we did meet and uh did uh

1252
01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:37,679
start to work on the um
the draft charter for a temporary

1253
01:46:33,600 --> 01:46:46,080
advisory group. Um one thing I would say
um I sense from the mayor and your

1254
01:46:41,679 --> 01:46:48,320
request for us to consider a fee uh
urgency. I

1255
01:46:47,679 --> 01:46:54,639
» thank you.
>> I'm assuming that's why you wanted to do

1256
01:46:50,800 --> 01:47:01,440
that. And if there is urgency and I
think there is for us to get

1257
01:46:58,320 --> 01:47:07,440
set what what we are going to try and
use for our revenue sources that the

1258
01:47:04,320 --> 01:47:15,119
committee's work should be uh short and
compact as possible

1259
01:47:10,239 --> 01:47:20,159
um so that council can hear their
findings and then we need time to

1260
01:47:17,520 --> 01:47:28,719
deliberate and all that's got to really
be in place by the time Justine needs to

1261
01:47:23,679 --> 01:47:33,520
start on the budget in April.
>> That would be well our first

1262
01:47:30,639 --> 01:47:38,080
presentation would be to for the budget
committee would be in April. So we

1263
01:47:35,679 --> 01:47:40,880
usually the month before that
>> right

1264
01:47:38,719 --> 01:47:47,440
» here and then we that would be me
working on it and then the month before

1265
01:47:42,639 --> 01:47:54,719
that. So uh February, January, February
would be staff doing what they're doing

1266
01:47:50,159 --> 01:48:00,560
now. So they have already started that
in a faster pace than we're working, but

1267
01:47:57,600 --> 01:48:05,920
we wouldn't be I mean ideally we can
make changes up to the budget.

1268
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:10,800
We would want to present them to the
coun to the budget committee, but we

1269
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:18,000
could make changes to the budget up
until the April meeting.

1270
01:48:13,440 --> 01:48:22,639
Even if we had a meeting in no May, even
if we had an April budget committee

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01:48:20,000 --> 01:48:25,760
meeting, if something should change, we
could still the budget committee and we

1272
01:48:24,239 --> 01:48:31,760
could set another budget committee
meeting, but they could still see and

1273
01:48:28,639 --> 01:48:37,679
approve changes in May and then you guys
will still see the budget in June for

1274
01:48:35,199 --> 01:48:44,679
final approval. So, it will be seen
three times with opportunities to make

1275
01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:44,679
changes. Anyway,

1276
01:48:44,880 --> 01:48:52,960
that's just my comment. I mean,
December, January time frame for the

1277
01:48:50,400 --> 01:48:55,960
committee to be giving us
recommendations.

1278
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:05,119
» Sharon, do you have anything you want to
add?

1279
01:49:02,320 --> 01:49:11,360
Um, I would just say that I am very
excited to have a diverse group of

1280
01:49:07,440 --> 01:49:15,760
people um to look into this and become
familiar with what it takes to run the

1281
01:49:13,840 --> 01:49:21,440
city and how much it takes and what
monies go where and um I think it's

1282
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:26,480
going to be a great educ educational
experience for all of us actually.

1283
01:49:25,119 --> 01:49:30,639
» Anyone else have anything?
>> Yeah, I have a couple things. Um, first

1284
01:49:28,719 --> 01:49:34,639
of all, in response to what somebody
said earlier today in the in the hearing

1285
01:49:33,040 --> 01:49:39,440
was that this was the foregone
conclusion that the TLT would be

1286
01:49:36,400 --> 01:49:42,800
approved. Um, I want to go on the record
of saying what I've said from the very

1287
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:46,080
beginning in our budget meetings was
that yes, we approved a budget and we

1288
01:49:44,960 --> 01:49:49,840
knew that there was going to be a
shortfall and we were going to have to

1289
01:49:47,600 --> 01:49:58,159
discuss ways to come up with the money,
but I have never agreed to the 15 or

1290
01:49:53,760 --> 01:50:02,320
above percent um, TLT tax. And I I do
agree that it needs to be increased, but

1291
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:07,280
I think that just doing that alone will
not solve our problems and is is not the

1292
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:13,199
most financially
uh most fiscally sound way to approach

1293
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:17,280
this problem. Um the other thing that I
would like to say is I would like to see

1294
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:27,280
us
um not hold up critical safety repairs

1295
01:50:23,199 --> 01:50:32,400
uh while we're waiting on this financial
system. Um because OSHA has um if if

1296
01:50:30,560 --> 01:50:38,320
OSHA comes in and calls you out on
something um they can give you a ticket,

1297
01:50:35,360 --> 01:50:44,080
but they can also
find that you were negligent and and if

1298
01:50:42,239 --> 01:50:47,679
there was willful disregard for a
situation, that is a safety issue for

1299
01:50:46,239 --> 01:50:51,840
employees. And that is the biggest
thing. If you're standing underneath a

1300
01:50:49,760 --> 01:50:56,400
garage door that weighs several hundred
pounds and pushing it up with a stick in

1301
01:50:54,560 --> 01:50:59,119
order to get it open, not only is that
bad for the public because there's no

1302
01:50:57,840 --> 01:51:03,679
guarantee you're going to be able to get
out that door, it's extremely dangerous

1303
01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:08,960
for the person standing underneath the
garage door. So, whatever we think the

1304
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:14,080
repair is, whether it could be just a
spring or whether it could be whatever,

1305
01:51:11,440 --> 01:51:17,920
I think long-term the plan needs to be
to get electric doors on that so nobody

1306
01:51:16,159 --> 01:51:22,080
is standing underneath the doors pushing
up with a stick or other a rope or

1307
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:26,159
anything else. But also, I think we need
to look into that and not hold up those

1308
01:51:24,159 --> 01:51:30,320
type of critical repairs. And I want to
go on the record saying that because if

1309
01:51:28,239 --> 01:51:35,199
if OSHA does come in and start throwing
out criminal charges, I'm going to be on

1310
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:39,199
the record saying you should not wait on
that. In fact, you should close that

1311
01:51:37,119 --> 01:51:42,960
garage door down until it can be
repaired.

1312
01:51:41,599 --> 01:51:50,480
» Is there another part?
>> No, that was my two parts.

1313
01:51:44,880 --> 01:51:55,840
» Okay. Anyone else with the comments?
All [clears throat] right. I'm gonna go

1314
01:51:52,400 --> 01:52:00,480
and say council concerns
Preston.

1315
01:51:58,000 --> 01:52:03,920
Um
just I think that we need to move along

1316
01:52:02,080 --> 01:52:09,560
with the
citizen advisory [clears throat]

1317
01:52:06,560 --> 01:52:09,560
finances.

1318
01:52:10,800 --> 01:52:18,840
» Good.
>> We are we will

1319
01:52:14,719 --> 01:52:18,840
we're making it a priority.

1320
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:23,840
Okay,
Dana.

1321
01:52:21,679 --> 01:52:28,080
» Uh, the street light presentation that
we had last month, I'm I'm not clear on

1322
01:52:26,800 --> 01:52:31,440
what's happening with that. I thought
there was a time limit if we were going

1323
01:52:29,440 --> 01:52:37,280
to be able to get that that
reimbursement or the the rebate. We

1324
01:52:34,880 --> 01:52:39,199
needed to have it done by sometime this
month. So,

1325
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:42,800
» end of September. Yeah.
>> Okay. So, are we going to be moving

1326
01:52:41,040 --> 01:52:47,440
forward with that? I don't I don't
recall us having a vote to actually do

1327
01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:50,639
it. Did we? Okay. We're moving forward
with it. There's a few things we've got

1328
01:52:48,800 --> 01:52:54,560
to work out and a few investigations we
can do, but start working on that again

1329
01:52:52,880 --> 01:52:57,599
probably next week. But it's just
>> Well, what I'm saying is do we need any

1330
01:52:56,080 --> 01:53:04,599
other council action before we go
forward with that? Okay. Thank you.

1331
01:53:01,599 --> 01:53:04,599
» Chair.

1332
01:53:07,843 --> 01:53:09,863
[clears throat]

1333
01:53:10,400 --> 01:53:19,599
» Yeah. I just uh one thing that I would
just ask um if or maybe you could advise

1334
01:53:17,199 --> 01:53:25,840
me and I'll do it. Um I would like to
know if any of the other towns in the

1335
01:53:21,840 --> 01:53:33,280
county are raising their TLT
as we are because I know a lot of people

1336
01:53:29,119 --> 01:53:40,560
have talked about 10% and 12% a story
and and such. Um, but it would it would

1337
01:53:37,199 --> 01:53:45,280
be interesting to know if we're the only
city raising

1338
01:53:42,639 --> 01:53:50,159
tax.
>> I because I've seen the numbers.

1339
01:53:47,199 --> 01:53:53,199
» We'll do uh nobody local that I know of
other than the county,

1340
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:56,159
» right?
>> The state,

1341
01:53:54,400 --> 01:54:00,800
» right, heard that
>> Medford and that's what I know of so

1342
01:53:59,440 --> 01:54:05,119
far. Oh.
>> Um, but I have I that was just a real

1343
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:09,760
shallow dive that I did just a few
minutes as somebody was talking and

1344
01:54:06,639 --> 01:54:12,560
asking about it. Um, so I'll see if I
can find you some more information. I'll

1345
01:54:11,040 --> 01:54:18,239
report back to you.
>> I just I think that uh if there are

1346
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:25,280
other cities that are raising taxes,
that would be a u pertinent to me and my

1347
01:54:22,080 --> 01:54:30,560
vote. I hear what people are saying. I
also think that your heart is a really

1348
01:54:27,360 --> 01:54:36,159
really really special place to come and
stay and maybe it's worth a little more

1349
01:54:33,280 --> 01:54:44,400
tax. I mean, but [clears throat] that's
just that's my personal opinion. Um, so

1350
01:54:41,119 --> 01:54:50,320
I'm always looking for more information.
>> That is

1351
01:54:46,719 --> 01:54:54,760
okay. I'll take a motion.
A

1352
01:54:50,480 --> 01:54:54,760
» motion to adjurnn. Second.

1353
01:54:55,440 --> 01:54:59,960
» All those in favor?
>> I

1354
01:55:02,239 --> 01:55:07,119
thank you.
>> Thank you everybody.

1355
01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:11,159
» Right.
>> But there's ways