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>> Okay. Good morning everybody. Call to

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order. Welcome. Glad to see everybody

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here. It's a nice gathering of advisors.

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Uh let's start off with Oh, I'm the

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chair, Peter Clay, and we're represented

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by all the county board members for zoo

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arts and parks tier one. So, uh member

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activity suggested.

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Okay.

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Provide one word

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that summarizes your thoughts and

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reflections on the work and

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contributions for ZAP applicants to Salt

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Lake County residents and visitors.

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You've had all week to think about the

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one word. So Amy, I'll pick you up.

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>> Empowerment.

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>> Great.

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>> Heidi,

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>> backstage.

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>> Oh,

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>> apologize. I don't have a bird.

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>> Not yet. Can you

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>> I had mine and now I forgot it.

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[laughter] I wrote it down.

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>> Oh my goodness. It's contagious.

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>> I wrote one down and I changed it.

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» That's more than one word.

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>> Go ahead. I'm while I think of try I

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think of mine.

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>> Meaningful.

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>> Oh, okay.

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>> I'll say effort.

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>> So maybe you two have been stimulated.

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>> But that wasn't my word. I'll go with

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We're on the That must be just uh

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>> I'll go item number two. Oh, we're ahead

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of schedule now. Okay, item number two.

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>> The one word didn't turn into an essay.

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Uh the Zap advisory boards will accept

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public comments regarding Zap business

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in the following formats.

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Written comments may be submitted to the

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Zap Advisory Board liaison

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Dustin Burch.

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via email dberts salt lakecount.gov

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no later than two hours prior to the

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meeting start time on the day of the

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meeting. Uh Dustin, did we get any email

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comments? All right, so that has been

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>> you can check that. Vermal comments of

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two minutes or less will be accepted in

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person doesn't mean physically here but

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also virtually at all ZAP advisory board

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>> So uh I turn it over to you Samantha.

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>> I'm gonna stand up if that's okay

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because we'll cover a few things

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>> Um first just I want to say thank you. I

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know this year you guys tried so many

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new things. You were so good aboutation

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the mentor program and so just a big

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and you all handle it like champs. We

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can't tell you how much it was great to

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see your comments and your strengths you

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that. A couple small items. Matt um most

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likely is not going to join us

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physically. He does try to come and stop

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by our meetings for a little bit of

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time. Um uh it might be virtual between

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about 2:30, sorry, 12:30 and 2:30. Um so

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critical or something we're stuck on, we can definitely ask him when he gets

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this wall for you. If you want to refill

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a water container, we can just let you

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unlocked just so you can get in anytime

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to go over here. If you want some hole

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punch, we can do that for you. Um

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instead of doodling, we thought you

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could pick a couple of fidgets if you

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just for a little fun and uh a little

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way to to get your nerves out there. Um,

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anybody wants to see a grant manual in

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your orientation binders, remember you

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manual of the day, they made a couple

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copies for you right here. um I think

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it's officially called Utah Fashion

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Week. Is that correct? This week. So, as

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our meeting progresses, there may be

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people or people arriving. So, just know

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it'll be a little fun. Little sneak

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having it right here. That's awesome. Um

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your binders. Again, it's paper, but

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everything or you could get everything

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electronic except for one small item.

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on the right side of your binders um is

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everybody has the agenda. I'll obviously

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have it up here as well for you. Um and

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agendas have the order in which we're

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your strengths. Weaknesses and

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observations. If you want to have them

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do that. Um, and then on the left hand

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thing right now. Um, is two things I

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time of the meeting, we don't need a

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motion to close. Uh, our chair can just

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motion. No second. The other thing uh

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something before someone kind of goes

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earlier. It was really cool. So that's

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in the Roberts rules. Um then you have

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related party transactions which mean we

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everybody has evidence. When we get to

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this is what this year you're going to

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uh the financial health tests the ones

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three years. Remember when you score,

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accounting. Um, remember, uh, every year

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data report. Um, this is what we think

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this more with you. Um, we only gave you

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a sample link, so just know there is

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more exciting data that we'll talk

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this talks about things like where the

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personnel, who has volunteers versus

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full-time employees. Um, and then the

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last one is activities, so you can see

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document's more for you to inform you,

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to give you a better idea of things. not

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doesn't necessarily fit perfectly into

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any scoring criteria, but it helps you

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this year because I'll have to tell you

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it's a little it's a little bit much

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this year. So, I'll talk about that in a

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minute. So yes, you have all this

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digitally. And then the last one again

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is just uh last year you had us

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institute a new practice about warning

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letters uh for organizations that you

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wanted to make sure it felt supported.

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They were struggling but you wanted them

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to know early as early as we could about

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hey you probably need to talking to Zap

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and working harder on some things

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towards your application. So I just

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wanted to remind you of that process

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that we go through in case this year

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we'll talk about later again you you

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want something done in this area. I just

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want you to have the process in front of

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it. So that's your binders. Again,

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everything was sent to you on Friday

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except the related party transactions

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are specific to this year and then the

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Robert's rules and the open public

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meeting kind of guidelines that you

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would ask for. Um and um we'll go over

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them next meeting next year in

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orientation a little bit more.

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>> Let me see.

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>> You also provided within that. Yeah,

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>> you didn't specifically mention a

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summary of of all the scores

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and uh an encapsulation, excuse

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[clears throat] me, the strengths and

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weaknesses that the board collected,

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which is also helpful.

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>> Yeah, I think we're going to walk

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through that. I think that's going to be

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where we're spending our time honestly

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for most of the day. Um this is

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definitely going to be where we're going

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to spend our time today. So, uh we'll be

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walking through this mostly. This is

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almost the agenda sort of put in much

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detail. Um, so if you want it in paper,

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otherwise you do have a soft copy of it

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by the way. We emailed on Friday. Uh,

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and I just want to do a little

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recognition of our team too is Cody

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really poured over. He really has owned

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Submittable, which we are so happy to

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have and he's exploited it. He's really

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taken advantage of all the things that

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he possibly [laughter] can and then he

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spends a lot of time in AI. Uh, he takes

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what they give him and say, "How do we

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digest this or the board? What's

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relevant?" So again, we do have more of

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the data um and and the strengths and

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weaknesses that we will share with you

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later, but we have to unpack some of it.

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So uh we hope to do with it is promote

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it in some of our promotions. So some of

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our social media when we talk to the

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council, we want to give the council a

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better picture of what our applicant

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pool looks like or our grantees look

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like. So we'll be talking more, but I

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really want to just give Cody and and

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the team because Kelsey helped and

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nothing really for today. This is him.

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[laughter] This is all this is all him.

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This is all of it. And then uh Kelsey's

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really a great adviser. She really has

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the board's point of view. She has the

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grant's point of view. She's always uh

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giving us our softer touch. She's always

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making sure that everyone feels warm and

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comfortable. I

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>> I want to second that. I think some of

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you saw in my email on Monday that uh

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they really you all have really

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upleveled the information for us to give

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us shape a little more context and

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perspective. I started at the height of

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COVID and it was freaking chaos at the

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[laughter] time in terms of being able

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to meet people and so on. And then also

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I meant I'll I'll credit Kelsey on that

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scenario planning workshop that I the

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only one I attended this year but I I

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thought about scenario planning and all

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the applications who's thinking of

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contingencies alternatives

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>> yes

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>> you know to their funding to their

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executive director stepping down or

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board changes and so on or another COVID

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circumstance right so the COVID was a

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great lesson for most of these

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organizations so again thank you staff

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for all that hard work and I think that

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will help us with a really fruitful

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discussion because in years past it's

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been a little bit harder I think to

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think about it because we're not quite

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sure about the context but now we have a

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little bit more with these summaries a

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little bit more shape of perspective on

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that stuff

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>> yeah Kelsey really took to heart uh

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she's been hearing it all for a couple

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years now say succession planning

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scenario planning what's going to happen

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when they're leader or the that the

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inspiration person the founder leaves

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and so

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>> I actually got I actually I won't say

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who it is but one of the exec directors

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who I met at [clears throat] the time he

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contacted me he wants to meet I think to

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talk about more about this scenario

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planning and how the zap envisions that

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so

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>> that's great

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>> I think an effort on their part I think

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it's resonating with [laughter] them the

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work was done on that

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>> well it was surprising to see I think

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two organizations still said that

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they're like in the concept or don't

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have one working one and I'm like we've

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been asking for this for years

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>> yeah you see the same thing

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>> yeah very interesting so Yeah, it's a

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great thank you. Uh this I think having

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a full staff has really changed some

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dynamics and brought some things

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forward. So please please give them all

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credit for all this play.

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>> This is a couple parking lots. I know we

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do this every year. They're a little bit

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more thoughtful this year. Um if during

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the meeting you want something changed

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or fixed, I already heard one suggestion

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about we don't get together. We don't

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really know each other. You know that

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that's one idea. But so this one's more

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just general things, meeting content,

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ideas, things like that. This is more

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like if we want you want us to try to

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tackle something from a practice or a

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policy this working group that's going

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to be starting to meet next month.

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That's that's where you put those

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things. So there's sticky notes and

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highlighters on the table um to take

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those two. Um let me see what else we

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have. Um and part of the reason that we

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don't necessarily want to get into this

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is because today is about reviews. It

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isn't about policy and practices. And we

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really want to give those policies and

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practices the attention they deserve

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because they do need some massaging and

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some work. Um, [clears throat] let's see

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here.

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I think that is it. But team, did I

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forget any housekeeping? Did I forget?

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>> You crushed it.

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>> Any kind of things we need to have? Um,

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we do have a few a couple recusals. Um,

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so Peter will give a nod when we would

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ask someone to leave for the meeting.

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Um, and then I just wanted to mention

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that um, if you need to, it's adult

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learning, is adult, get up and move

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around. If you need to get a drink, take

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a walk. If you really feel like you're

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on the edge of we needing a break, just

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signal and we can take a small break if

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we need to. Hopefully, we've got them

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built in here for you, but I just wanted

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you to feel free because it's going to

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be a really busy day today. Um, I I

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can't think of anything else. Peter, did

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I miss anything? No.

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>> You want to run out the clock or you

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want to keep going?

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>> No, we're we're totally good. I love the

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idea of keeping us going.

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>> All right, good. Yeah. So, um Oh, this

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is an exciting item.

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Oh, well, that one's not quite as

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exciting as [laughter]

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action. I have approved advisory board

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uh meeting minutes from May 28th. Uh

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does anybody have any questions or edits

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regarding those minutes?

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>> You received those electronically, but

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they're not in your packets. I've got a

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pulled up if you have any questions.

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>> Did people read those minutes?

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>> Absolutely. And this is the first time I

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haven't had a correction.

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>> She's our proof reader.

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>> So, anybody else have any thoughts about

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the minutes from the May 28th

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orientation meeting? Okay.

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>> I'll move that we approve the meeting

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minutes from um May 28th.

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>> Do we have a second?

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>> Second.

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>> Okay. All agreed? Say I. I.

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>> All right. So, oh, now we're on the next

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exciting item.

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election advisory board 27 2027

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leadership.

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>> This is great. So Samantha

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>> um so as you know as a member it's a

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three-year term. You get one three-year

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term and then if you want to do renewal

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a second like Peter. So Peter is going

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to be finishing out his second term um

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this year. Um terms always run whether

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you're in leadership or regular member

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uh Jan basically January 1 to December 1

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that the the county's fiscal year is a

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calendar year. Um, we have two current

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nominees.

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>> One's a question mark.

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>> Oh, [laughter]

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it was on the draft agenda I sent you.

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It was a question mark. Um, the first

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one we had, uh, was for chair, and

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that's for Lynette. Lynette's currently

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vice chair, and she's been nominated to

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be chair. And then for vice chair, uh,

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Rita, um, has been nominated to be the

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vice chair. Um, but I wanted to ask like

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we always do in each meeting is if

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there's anyone who wants to

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self-nominate or nominate someone else,

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we just want to bring that out now. So,

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I just want to call for any other

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nominations.

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>> You can nominate yourself, too.

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>> I don't hear or see any

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>> takers. No competition here. Come on.

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[laughter]

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» Okay. Um, well, then this is going to be

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like a regular vote. We do one at a

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time. Um, and just uh since I'm an

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exicio,

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obviously I don't vote, but I can

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facilitate this. I just wanted to make

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comment. We didn't really have

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clarification on that uh before this

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year. So, um, so, uh, all in I guess I

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need a motion first. Is that correct?

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Um, so does someone want to make a

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motion for the chair position, please?

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» I move in for Lynette

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for

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>> I'll second that motion.

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All in favor?

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>> Any opposed?

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[laughter]

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>> No. Gavl, please.

540
00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:51,840
>> Great. Great. Okay, we'll move on to the

541
00:17:51,840 --> 00:17:53,600
vice chair nomination. Does someone want

542
00:17:53,600 --> 00:17:55,919
to make a motion uh for the vice chair

543
00:17:55,919 --> 00:17:57,120
nomination?

544
00:17:57,120 --> 00:17:58,400
>> I make a motion.

545
00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:00,640
>> Great.

546
00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:01,840
>> I'll second it.

547
00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:04,160
>> Do we need to say

548
00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:05,120
>> Oh, yeah. That'd be good.

549
00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:08,400
>> I make a motion for great.

550
00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:10,799
>> Great. Okay, we have a nomination in a

551
00:18:10,799 --> 00:18:12,480
second. Um, [clears throat]

552
00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:13,600
all in favor?

553
00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:14,160
>> I.

554
00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,720
>> Any opposed?

555
00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:19,600
>> Congratulations.

556
00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:23,200
>> Okay, so Rita and Lynette will be um

557
00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:25,760
chair and vice chair for 27. It's

558
00:18:25,760 --> 00:18:28,400
calendar year. And then um typically

559
00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:30,480
they can have a one renewal, but it's

560
00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:32,480
more by exception. Kind of depends on if

561
00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:33,520
other people are interested, if

562
00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:34,720
something's going on. I think I've given

563
00:18:34,720 --> 00:18:35,919
this example before. During

564
00:18:35,919 --> 00:18:37,760
reauthorization, Johan felt strongly to

565
00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:39,840
stay on one more year. Um I think it was

566
00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:41,600
part of his legacy, part of what he has

567
00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,440
done his whole life. And so Peter was

568
00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:44,080
kind

569
00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:44,960
>> I was his vice chair

570
00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:46,480
>> kind was kind enough to do vice chair

571
00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:48,240
for a second year. Um and so it worked

572
00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:50,400
out. That's just an example of um so

573
00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:51,760
we'll have to see how next year goes. We

574
00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:52,880
have talked to a couple people about

575
00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:55,200
potentially next year, but for 27 we

576
00:18:55,200 --> 00:18:56,400
have our new leadership.

577
00:18:56,400 --> 00:18:57,520
Congratulations.

578
00:18:57,520 --> 00:18:58,720
>> Thank you.

579
00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:02,789
>> Be ready to work people. [laughter]

580
00:19:02,799 --> 00:19:08,470
» That has ideas. Thank you.

581
00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,720
Um, oh, I think it's me. Okay. Um,

582
00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:13,919
>> and Cody,

583
00:19:13,919 --> 00:19:15,840
>> yes, I think Cody's gonna probably maybe

584
00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,240
do as much or more talking than I will,

585
00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:19,280
I believe.

586
00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,039
>> Do you want me to pull it up or do you

587
00:19:21,039 --> 00:19:23,919
want to pull it a preview?

588
00:19:23,919 --> 00:19:25,440
>> Oh, you know what? I did forget some I

589
00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:27,360
apologize. I did forget something that

590
00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:31,039
Peter asked me just apologize. This is

591
00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:34,160
what I forgot. Okay. Does this seem show

592
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,000
up that well?

593
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,240
>> Okay. So, so, so this is the districts.

594
00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:39,200
We were gonna talk about this just for

595
00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:40,880
one second. Peter wanted to just have

596
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,320
everybody know [clears throat] it runs

597
00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:43,440
into multiple cities. Whatever your

598
00:19:43,440 --> 00:19:46,240
district is, you represent lots. So, you

599
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,080
can see one is up here. So, it's mostly

600
00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,039
Salt Lake City. Um, two is is the west

601
00:19:51,039 --> 00:19:54,000
side. So, it's basically Magna to um the

602
00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:54,720
Bluff.

603
00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,559
>> Who's two here? You okay?

604
00:19:56,559 --> 00:19:58,400
>> Yeah. So, she's in

605
00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,360
>> J Daybreak. Um, so kind of runs Heramin

606
00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:03,840
Bluffdale area. Um then it starts these

607
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:05,840
really meld together, right? So district

608
00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:09,200
three is right here in the middle, five

609
00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,520
down here in the southwest and six is in

610
00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,160
the southeast and then fourth. So you'll

611
00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:16,000
see your cities run. It doesn't mean you

612
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,760
just represent obviously represent the

613
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:19,520
bigger pool. I'm going to make this a

614
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,520
tiny bit smaller so that you can

615
00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:24,320
>> So we don't have district five board

616
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,559
member right now.

617
00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:29,919
>> Yes, tier one is um uh got a couple

618
00:20:29,919 --> 00:20:32,159
doubles. Um we try to have but the

619
00:20:32,159 --> 00:20:33,520
council really expects us to put it in

620
00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,679
as many districts as we can. Um it

621
00:20:35,679 --> 00:20:36,960
fluctuates. When I first got here it was

622
00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,320
like everybody was in kind of one and

623
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,640
four and now we've kind of started.

624
00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:44,159
>> Yeah. Yes. Like like mirroring the the

625
00:20:44,159 --> 00:20:45,600
grant and we'll talk about that.

626
00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:46,880
>> I think I was the first one from

627
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:47,919
district three.

628
00:20:47,919 --> 00:20:49,760
>> You are and district three is really

629
00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:51,600
hard to recruit from. Two is hard to

630
00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:55,039
recruit from. Um and I'm sorry.

631
00:20:55,039 --> 00:20:56,720
>> Who do you re generally ask?

632
00:20:56,720 --> 00:20:58,880
>> We never really had a a full-on

633
00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,240
recruitment process. That's what we want

634
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,000
to do in the process. The

635
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:02,960
>> mayor's office.

636
00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,240
>> Yeah, that's how we do it. We reach out

637
00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:06,159
to the mayors and local arts agencies.

638
00:21:06,159 --> 00:21:08,559
Um, we put on our social media, but what

639
00:21:08,559 --> 00:21:09,679
we want to do better, and we've talked

640
00:21:09,679 --> 00:21:11,520
to Lynette about maybe a whole process,

641
00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,360
more of a formal process, and Matt does

642
00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:14,480
the same thing. So, when Matt needs

643
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:15,919
board members, he comes through a

644
00:21:15,919 --> 00:21:17,120
newsletter, our social media, and that's

645
00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:18,640
how he usually gets his is through our

646
00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,559
channels. So, um, but it is really

647
00:21:20,559 --> 00:21:23,120
difficult. Um, sometimes when we get

648
00:21:23,120 --> 00:21:24,320
people in three, we think, "Oh, they're

649
00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,240
in mid bail. Yay, we have a three."

650
00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,399
They're really not.

651
00:21:28,399 --> 00:21:29,360
[laughter]

652
00:21:29,360 --> 00:21:31,440
I know. I know.

653
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:32,240
>> It's crazy.

654
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:33,919
>> But this this just gives you an idea of

655
00:21:33,919 --> 00:21:36,240
the of the areas in which you're in that

656
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:37,520
can be challenging. Again, two isn't

657
00:21:37,520 --> 00:21:38,559
just challenging because it's the west

658
00:21:38,559 --> 00:21:40,559
side. People do think that, but uh until

659
00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:41,840
the population grows, I mean, that's the

660
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:42,880
whole growth, right? I mean, they're

661
00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:44,240
just building like crazy out there. But

662
00:21:44,240 --> 00:21:45,840
there's not fully communities kind of,

663
00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:47,600
you know, intact yet. And so, it's

664
00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:49,280
really challenging to go like just a few

665
00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:51,039
in Magna and then way down to Haramman

666
00:21:51,039 --> 00:21:54,159
and Daybreak and um Bluffdale

667
00:21:54,159 --> 00:21:56,400
essentially is our is our is our pool of

668
00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:57,200
people. So

669
00:21:57,200 --> 00:21:59,185
>> I just can I comment on this?

670
00:21:59,185 --> 00:21:59,280
[clears throat]

671
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:03,280
>> So over my few years and also my living

672
00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:06,159
in Utah since the late 90s

673
00:22:06,159 --> 00:22:08,320
>> I still think of downtown as Salt Lake

674
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:09,760
City, right?

675
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,559
>> But we have grown so much across the

676
00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:15,440
county. I mean many of these places like

677
00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:17,600
your Holiday was not incorporated. Yeah.

678
00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:19,760
>> Nor was Cottonwood Heights. there's a

679
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,240
lot of expansion, but most of Zap when

680
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,799
it was originated was concentrated, as

681
00:22:24,799 --> 00:22:26,960
are many of our established venues are

682
00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:29,840
in Salt Lake City. So this this

683
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,720
geographic spread and we've t we've

684
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:34,799
talked over the years about board

685
00:22:34,799 --> 00:22:36,880
members and diversity and so on but one

686
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,799
of the things that seems consistently

687
00:22:38,799 --> 00:22:42,080
lacking is geographic diversity which is

688
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,400
a factor because our tax dollars I know

689
00:22:44,400 --> 00:22:46,320
in the case of Murray City it provides a

690
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,000
lot of revenue to the county because of

691
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,080
fashion mall Costco auto ro so you know

692
00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:54,080
where those county dollars going they're

693
00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,840
going to a you know the majority of them

694
00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,240
are going tier one to to legacy venues

695
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,080
downtown, which makes sense because

696
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:01,919
that's historically where some of our

697
00:23:01,919 --> 00:23:04,240
best cultural arts, but that's certainly

698
00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,280
changing.

699
00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,039
>> And I think the county has been moving

700
00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:08,960
to, you know, like building this

701
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,559
performance arts center and another one

702
00:23:10,559 --> 00:23:12,400
that's going to be south to recognize

703
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:13,760
that. And when I first moved here, all

704
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,039
the rec centers, too.

705
00:23:15,039 --> 00:23:15,520
>> Yeah.

706
00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,280
>> Were expanded to, you know, across the

707
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:18,799
county. It wasn't just down Salt Lake

708
00:23:18,799 --> 00:23:20,799
City. So, and I noticed that a lot of

709
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:23,280
you all kind of you thought about that

710
00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:24,960
in terms of what I saw in the summary.

711
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,280
So, you know, that's one aspect of and I

712
00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,039
hadn't really Lynette, I hadn't really

713
00:23:29,039 --> 00:23:30,880
thought so much about that until last

714
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:32,320
year or two,

715
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:36,000
>> you know, the the the allocation of the

716
00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:37,200
c, you know, the arts and the

717
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:37,840
activities.

718
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,000
>> I mean, it's the zap tax dollar comes

719
00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:42,640
from every taxpayer in the county. And

720
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,600
so, like you said, 30 years ago, it made

721
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,440
sense, right, that like you said, those

722
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:50,000
legacy, those hubs down there. But as

723
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:51,760
the population demands have changed,

724
00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:53,200
we've either got to start looking for

725
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,440
organizations for tier one that already

726
00:23:55,440 --> 00:23:58,400
exist out in these places or we have to

727
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,799
put the obligation on our tier ones to

728
00:24:00,799 --> 00:24:04,640
say you have to be partnering with 20 of

729
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,679
our tier 2 that are all over the county

730
00:24:07,679 --> 00:24:10,559
or something. There has to be a shift in

731
00:24:10,559 --> 00:24:14,240
how otherwise it's very inequitable for

732
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,600
people in Daybreak, right, to not have

733
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:20,320
any real particular access. And like you

734
00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:21,919
said, downtown, we are the center of the

735
00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:23,919
county in district three. So, what is

736
00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:26,240
phenomenal to me is that we see the

737
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,799
least board representation out of all of

738
00:24:28,799 --> 00:24:31,600
our tier ones from district three when

739
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,440
we're the heart of the county and

740
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,520
everybody travels through us to get

741
00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,600
anywhere. It's

742
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,279
>> I feel like we're an afterthought.

743
00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:40,400
>> Yeah, [laughter]

744
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:41,919
we are. We are. We We're the first

745
00:24:41,919 --> 00:24:43,200
suburbs and Rita and I were talking

746
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,559
about that last night.

747
00:24:44,559 --> 00:24:46,400
>> As I'm looking at this, even going

748
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:48,880
through these town of Brighton out of

749
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:52,720
town, how many of our applicants

750
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,279
>> aren't really aware of that. So, I'm

751
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,840
wondering if it's worthwhile to have

752
00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,480
this kind of a discussion as people come

753
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:03,279
in or as we have the reviews of look,

754
00:25:03,279 --> 00:25:05,440
this is what it means around the county

755
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,559
because, right, there were very few um

756
00:25:08,559 --> 00:25:10,880
things going on in some of those far

757
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,640
reaches and

758
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,159
>> they see it on their list, but I'm not

759
00:25:14,159 --> 00:25:16,159
sure they're always really aware what

760
00:25:16,159 --> 00:25:16,880
that means.

761
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:18,640
>> This year's application shifted some

762
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,320
thinking, I think, for a lot of our

763
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,559
applicants. They were asked questions in

764
00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:23,919
ways that they did not have to review

765
00:25:23,919 --> 00:25:25,120
themselves before.

766
00:25:25,120 --> 00:25:28,240
>> And I think we have code frankly

767
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,640
summing up your conversation is is us

768
00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:32,480
asking better questions because I think

769
00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:33,919
Cody is already thinking of tweaks that

770
00:25:33,919 --> 00:25:35,360
he wants to do to ask maybe the same

771
00:25:35,360 --> 00:25:37,120
question in a different way or

772
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:38,559
>> provide more help language so they

773
00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:40,480
answer it the way the board wants needs

774
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:41,600
them to answer it.

775
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,200
>> But also more of these data and metrics.

776
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:45,200
We showed them yes

777
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,279
>> their own data and metrics right

778
00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:49,679
>> which we haven't been able to do

779
00:25:49,679 --> 00:25:51,600
>> then it helps them see the bigger

780
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,279
picture of Zap I think right because

781
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:54,799
they're so concerned you're a nonprofit

782
00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:57,120
and obviously Utah you're working behind

783
00:25:57,120 --> 00:25:58,720
right and so I think showing them the

784
00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,880
metrics will hopefully help them see a

785
00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:01,360
bigger picture

786
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,120
>> and to define their own metrics because

787
00:26:03,120 --> 00:26:04,799
a lot of them don't have very good

788
00:26:04,799 --> 00:26:06,960
metrics most of the applications are

789
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,880
qualitatively oriented

790
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,480
>> and and the things we thought about is

791
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,240
you know they're using a tier ones a lot

792
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:13,840
of them are using zip code data. We've

793
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:15,360
never asked for all that. That's amazing

794
00:26:15,360 --> 00:26:17,039
data that because maybe they are doing

795
00:26:17,039 --> 00:26:18,799
more outreach. We just don't know,

796
00:26:18,799 --> 00:26:20,880
right? Maybe they have way more people

797
00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:22,880
that they draw in purposefully to come

798
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,120
into the venues. We just don't ask those

799
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:26,720
questions. And so Cody's going to do a

800
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:29,360
little homework between seasons to see

801
00:26:29,360 --> 00:26:31,279
who does get zip code data, what that

802
00:26:31,279 --> 00:26:32,720
provides to them so that we can tell a

803
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:34,240
fuller story to the board, but but also

804
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,919
to the public. So all these points are

805
00:26:35,919 --> 00:26:37,360
great taken. I'm going to move on if

806
00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:39,279
that's okay. Let me just quick it be

807
00:26:39,279 --> 00:26:41,440
possible on some of these summaries to

808
00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:42,559
put

809
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,600
>> what district the actual organization

810
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,520
is. So we just had right there kind of

811
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,440
knowing you know like PTC so we get a

812
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,799
vision there of you know

813
00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:54,480
>> yeah u just for the conversation so in

814
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:55,679
the future we can we can definitely do

815
00:26:55,679 --> 00:26:57,360
that you mind taking taking a note on

816
00:26:57,360 --> 00:27:01,520
that um someone but uh every single one

817
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:06,000
is in tier one in tier one is in um

818
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:08,640
district one except for

819
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:12,880
>> living uh um sorry

820
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,039
um the hail center and then in

821
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,240
zoological ical. Um, the zoo is in tier

822
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,240
one. I'm sorry, keep saying that.

823
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:24,320
District one. The aquarium is in six.

824
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,720
>> Those mixed up five and six. I screw

825
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:27,440
that one up all the [clears throat]

826
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,480
time. Um, but then, you know, um, I

827
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,559
think it's still one for South Salt Lake

828
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:34,320
for the second location. Trace Avery.

829
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:35,840
Doesn't that sound right? Yes,

830
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,559
>> it it is barely. Right on the

831
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:41,120
>> Is it Liberty? Is it Liberty in Park

832
00:27:41,120 --> 00:27:41,840
Salt Lake City?

833
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:43,760
>> It is. We're talking about the nature

834
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,919
center in West Valley. It's actually

835
00:27:45,919 --> 00:27:47,760
South Salt Lake. One side is West

836
00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,520
Valley, one side is South Salt Lake, but

837
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,279
it borders three.

838
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:53,039
>> And so for them to not have

839
00:27:53,039 --> 00:27:55,120
representation from three drives me

840
00:27:55,120 --> 00:27:57,360
crazy when they haven't really asked to

841
00:27:57,360 --> 00:27:58,399
think about that.

842
00:27:58,399 --> 00:28:00,094
>> You know, years ago we talked about

843
00:28:00,094 --> 00:28:00,880
[laughter]

844
00:28:00,880 --> 00:28:03,600
>> but we talked about uh people of color

845
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,440
and so on and so forth for the board

846
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,120
members. Yeah. So they could have been

847
00:28:07,120 --> 00:28:08,559
from district one. we didn't really

848
00:28:08,559 --> 00:28:10,799
think about or we didn't ask them to

849
00:28:10,799 --> 00:28:14,559
think about the district geography.

850
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:16,480
>> All righty. So, um, so I think those are

851
00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:17,919
great points and I think we will talk

852
00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:19,279
about that more. I don't think that

853
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:21,039
subject is done clear sorry done

854
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:22,720
clearly. Um, so just a couple quick

855
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,080
things before Cody Cody I'm going to go

856
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,080
ahead and give the screen over to stop.

857
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,200
>> Uh, I'll let Cody show that of course.

858
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:30,399
Thank you for bringing that up. I

859
00:28:30,399 --> 00:28:32,000
appreciate it Peter. Um, two quick

860
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,640
things. Uh, so remember that uh staff

861
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:38,480
has deemed these groups eligible. So all

862
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:41,679
23 [snorts] tier ones and three

863
00:28:41,679 --> 00:28:44,159
zoologicals have been deemed eligible

864
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:46,559
unless otherwise at some other point

865
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:49,679
something changing. Um but they're all

866
00:28:49,679 --> 00:28:51,840
uh your job is to ensure that they're

867
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,960
worthy for tier one level funding.

868
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,919
Um and then remember our even though it

869
00:28:57,919 --> 00:28:59,440
says weaknesses on the report that

870
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,679
Cody's going to talk about first, we

871
00:29:01,679 --> 00:29:03,039
will change that language. it was just

872
00:29:03,039 --> 00:29:04,799
easier for the conversation to do what

873
00:29:04,799 --> 00:29:06,480
we talked about being more supportive

874
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,840
like this is something for more to have

875
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:08,960
your attention this is something that

876
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,480
maybe you want want to consider think

877
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,320
critically about so we'll change that

878
00:29:12,320 --> 00:29:14,480
language but you know we're really

879
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:15,919
trying to help them improve and not not

880
00:29:15,919 --> 00:29:17,679
penalize them so just just thinking as

881
00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:19,919
we're talking today

882
00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:22,320
>> for the next this next part I would love

883
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,399
either look on the the screen for this

884
00:29:24,399 --> 00:29:26,159
or if you want to get your paper copy

885
00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:28,159
out um I'm going to walk you through a

886
00:29:28,159 --> 00:29:31,440
little bit of how this is all set up

887
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:34,399
um which we'll discuss us in a little

888
00:29:34,399 --> 00:29:36,159
bit later if we get to the individual

889
00:29:36,159 --> 00:29:38,880
ones. So again, this is a summary of the

890
00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:40,320
strengths, weaknesses, and some

891
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,960
observations that you all have made um

892
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,760
during your review process. So this took

893
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,720
information. We were able to export your

894
00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:50,480
review comments in the strengths and

895
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,559
weaknesses sections of your reviews and

896
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:54,399
we were able to export some of your

897
00:29:54,399 --> 00:29:57,600
criteria notes that um um that you put

898
00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:59,440
in there. just so that we made sure to

899
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:03,039
capture everything um that that you were

900
00:30:03,039 --> 00:30:04,559
thinking about these organizations. So

901
00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:07,279
these are your comments. These are your

902
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:09,279
strengths and weaknesses observations

903
00:30:09,279 --> 00:30:12,640
that you're you're noticing. So on the

904
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,320
first page that you have here, the tier

905
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,240
one and zoological applicant review

906
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,480
index. Um that's this is the order that

907
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,960
we're going to go in today. Um, if you

908
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,440
are using the digital copy, um, the

909
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,000
organization names are hyperl, so you

910
00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,840
can jump down to the, um, uh, to the

911
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,200
organization that we're talking about.

912
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:35,039
Otherwise, [laughter] it is

913
00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:35,840
so cool.

914
00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:37,951
>> I need another.

915
00:30:37,951 --> 00:30:44,320
[laughter]

916
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,960
Otherwise, if you want to do a did a

917
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:47,919
paper one.

918
00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:50,080
>> Um, yes. The one that we want to look

919
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:51,760
at, I know they have the same logo and

920
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:53,520
they almost have the same exact title,

921
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:54,880
but this is the one that has the

922
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,039
strengths, uh, weaknesses and

923
00:30:57,039 --> 00:30:57,760
observations

924
00:30:57,760 --> 00:30:59,440
>> in your red. In the red one,

925
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,120
>> in the red one, it's the thickest of

926
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,159
them all.

927
00:31:02,159 --> 00:31:02,559
>> Oh,

928
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:03,279
>> make sure you have

929
00:31:03,279 --> 00:31:05,440
>> Yep. Okay.

930
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,399
>> So, yep. It'd be this one. That one.

931
00:31:08,399 --> 00:31:09,279
Yep.

932
00:31:09,279 --> 00:31:09,760
>> Um,

933
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,120
>> logo confusion.

934
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,200
>> Yes. [laughter] Um, we have the

935
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,799
discipline reference. So again, we're

936
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:15,919
going to go in order and you'll see

937
00:31:15,919 --> 00:31:17,679
where the breaks are, where we kind of

938
00:31:17,679 --> 00:31:19,200
time them out so you kind of have a

939
00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,720
mental break. Okay, we're going to do a

940
00:31:20,720 --> 00:31:23,039
pray break between these organizations.

941
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:25,440
The lead reviewer is also listed in here

942
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,679
and as we start our conversation, they

943
00:31:27,679 --> 00:31:29,679
will be the first one to have about

944
00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:31,840
three minutes to kind of talk about some

945
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,679
of the bullet points before we open it

946
00:31:33,679 --> 00:31:37,279
up to the the whole um the whole group.

947
00:31:37,279 --> 00:31:39,200
the two columns here, you'll see one

948
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,679
that says board average score. That's

949
00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:45,360
the average score that you all have um

950
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,159
inputed into submittable. So that's the

951
00:31:48,159 --> 00:31:50,159
taking all of your total scores and

952
00:31:50,159 --> 00:31:52,240
averaging them.

953
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:55,440
Um the total with FHT scores, so the

954
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,960
financial health test, if there's an

955
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,039
organization or a couple that have

956
00:31:59,039 --> 00:32:01,519
failed the financial health test um

957
00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:03,279
within the past three years, they're

958
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:05,200
receiving a negative number to their

959
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:07,600
score. So you may see a variance of

960
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:11,120
between one uh to three points taken off

961
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:12,720
because that's how the financial health

962
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:15,200
test score affects it. I'm just talking

963
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,559
about the um the total with financial

964
00:32:18,559 --> 00:32:19,760
health score.

965
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:21,120
>> Yep.

966
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:25,120
>> So what's the high range and then what's

967
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:27,039
the you know inadequate range?

968
00:32:27,039 --> 00:32:28,720
>> I'll I'll talk about that in just a

969
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:29,840
second because I'm going to get to that

970
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:31,440
on the bare notes page. And then like

971
00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:33,120
Peter was saying there's a funding guide

972
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:35,519
that's put over here that between

973
00:32:35,519 --> 00:32:37,519
exceptional, strong, adequate,

974
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:39,120
developing. If you want to look at the

975
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:41,360
very next page, this is the chart that's

976
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:44,559
going to talk about that what this um

977
00:32:44,559 --> 00:32:48,080
exactly is. Um, so this was in the board

978
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,840
uh manual that was provided at

979
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,559
orientation and this is a guide for your

980
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,399
understanding of the total score like

981
00:32:54,399 --> 00:32:58,000
when when an applicant is scoring um on

982
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,519
average between a 14 to a 16 range. This

983
00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:03,679
was um considered exceptional you know

984
00:33:03,679 --> 00:33:04,240
they're scoring.

985
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:05,840
>> So we apply that to both the board

986
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,480
average and the FH.

987
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:12,880
So um and this was often a a wonderful

988
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,960
tool that the tier 2 advisory board

989
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,120
loved because it helped them um when

990
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:19,279
they were making recommendations and

991
00:33:19,279 --> 00:33:22,159
dollar amounts. This really helped them

992
00:33:22,159 --> 00:33:25,279
um really expedite that process um

993
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:27,679
because it gave you a range of okay well

994
00:33:27,679 --> 00:33:30,000
if it's exceptional you know let's give

995
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,000
them a small increase you know with that

996
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,279
board being able to do that. Um below

997
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,519
that exceptional range is the strong. So

998
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:40,880
that's a 12 to a 13. The average score

999
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:45,360
um would be 12 to 13. Below that was 9

1000
00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:47,120
to 11 where it's adequate where it's

1001
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:49,600
meeting baseline expectations across

1002
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:54,640
most criteria. Um and and again for tier

1003
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,640
2 they that's where they said in flat

1004
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:58,240
funding. Obviously you all are not

1005
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,240
making dollar amount recommendations but

1006
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,320
this is just for your awareness of how

1007
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:05,840
to kind of um center the conversation if

1008
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:07,440
you will. So if they're exceptional and

1009
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:09,839
they they're great and we don't have any

1010
00:34:09,839 --> 00:34:11,520
other negative comments to maybe add,

1011
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,280
you know, it's like, okay, let's let's

1012
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:13,839
move on.

1013
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:14,560
>> Question about this.

1014
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,520
>> Yeah. So QE [clears throat]

1015
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:21,200
proportions relative to all 25,

1016
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,359
you know, their percentages QE has in

1017
00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:25,200
the past been determined about what

1018
00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,040
their funding was. So will this override

1019
00:34:29,040 --> 00:34:31,200
that or qualify that to some extent when

1020
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:32,320
you say flat funding?

1021
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,760
>> That's a great question. It's a good

1022
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:36,000
point. So this column of recommendation

1023
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,480
type is really for tier 2, but Cody

1024
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,079
wanted to leave it in purposely for tier

1025
00:34:40,079 --> 00:34:41,599
one to just do thinking around it even

1026
00:34:41,599 --> 00:34:42,480
though you're not making funding

1027
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,159
recommendations. And again, the dollar

1028
00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,560
amounts are and percentages are around

1029
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:48,560
whatever their QE is, what Tori develops

1030
00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:51,119
from their alltime expenditures um

1031
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:52,720
worksheet, but he just wanted to give

1032
00:34:52,720 --> 00:34:54,720
you an idea of how you can look at

1033
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:56,320
these. Not only the description where it

1034
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,480
says what this reflects, but it says,

1035
00:34:58,480 --> 00:34:59,920
"Oh, flat funny, they're okay. They're

1036
00:34:59,920 --> 00:35:01,520
just coming along. They're just doing

1037
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:02,560
okay."

1038
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,240
or like the 6 to8. We do have one

1039
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:06,800
currently right now. Uh that's a 6 to8.

1040
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,200
Wow, that's an issue. We need to send

1041
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:11,280
clear signals about supporting them, but

1042
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:13,200
letting them know where we think or you

1043
00:35:13,200 --> 00:35:14,880
think they're falling fall going lower.

1044
00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:15,839
So, we don't have to really use this,

1045
00:35:15,839 --> 00:35:17,440
but won't supersede or change. I think

1046
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,400
he's just trying to provide a a bigger.

1047
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,400
>> Could it could would it be fair for us

1048
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,800
to apply this? So, well, two questions.

1049
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,119
One is did anybody change their scores

1050
00:35:27,119 --> 00:35:28,320
since last week? So,

1051
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:29,599
>> no one's notified me. So,

1052
00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:31,359
>> okay. So we can we can change scores

1053
00:35:31,359 --> 00:35:31,920
today.

1054
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:32,320
>> Correct.

1055
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,400
>> Could is it fair for us

1056
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,680
>> to to to think about this FHT

1057
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,640
>> to qualify our scores today even though

1058
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,800
it doesn't directly affect the funding?

1059
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,640
It's sort of again like you said sending

1060
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:45,200
a signal.

1061
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:46,560
>> Yeah. Yeah. Drop the score.

1062
00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:47,920
>> Yeah. We wanted you to Cody. Sorry. Did

1063
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:48,480
you

1064
00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:49,680
>> I was going to say actually that's

1065
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,680
already being applied. So the financial

1066
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,280
I'll speak a little bit to the financial

1067
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,560
health test scoring rubric here. um if

1068
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,640
they passed all of the tests and I'll

1069
00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,559
scroll down a little bit so

1070
00:35:59,559 --> 00:36:00,480
[clears throat] you can see it on the

1071
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,240
screen as well. They passed all three

1072
00:36:02,240 --> 00:36:04,240
years they received a score of a zero.

1073
00:36:04,240 --> 00:36:05,920
Their financial health test did not

1074
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,075
affect their total score. It's only when

1075
00:36:08,075 --> 00:36:10,400
[clears throat] they start failing in

1076
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,320
particular years where they start that

1077
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,480
score starts coming down. So for

1078
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,040
example, if you if you failed one year

1079
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,440
and that might be last year, it might be

1080
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:21,760
two years ago or three years ago, your

1081
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,400
score receives a negative one. If it's

1082
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,880
two years that you failed minus two,

1083
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,480
three years minus three, right? And so

1084
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:34,560
um we only have about three um

1085
00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,720
>> four organizations that were affected by

1086
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:40,240
that. Um two which failed this year and

1087
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,400
then the other two that have minus ones

1088
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,000
are because they failed in previous

1089
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:47,200
years. Um so that's where that column

1090
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,520
the total with FHT score that has

1091
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:51,280
already been factored in.

1092
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:52,400
>> Okay. Do you mind if I come back around

1093
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,000
for Peter? Just one second. Okay.

1094
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,599
>> So, this this column that you

1095
00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:56,960
identified, this last one that says

1096
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,520
exceptional, strong, adequate, um Cody

1097
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,119
based that title not on yours as alone,

1098
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:04,880
>> but with the financial health test. So,

1099
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:08,320
all five categories that that wording is

1100
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:10,720
consistent with including the fifth

1101
00:37:10,720 --> 00:37:12,240
category of financial health test. And

1102
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,079
when we give this to them, again, we'll

1103
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:15,200
talk about this a little later, but

1104
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:16,720
we're going to give them remember these

1105
00:37:16,720 --> 00:37:17,760
are your comments and here's these are

1106
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,720
your draft comments that we're going to

1107
00:37:18,720 --> 00:37:19,839
give to them. We will clean them up

1108
00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:21,280
today. Dustin's going to take copious

1109
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:22,880
notes. We will add this and then get

1110
00:37:22,880 --> 00:37:24,960
those notes back to you. But we're going

1111
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,200
to also tell them you by the board,

1112
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,560
oops, I'm on the wrong one. You by the

1113
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:30,560
board were listed as just adequate. What

1114
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,160
does that mean? So we will give them a

1115
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,880
definition here on adequate just meaning

1116
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,000
that baseline,

1117
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,839
>> right? Do you educate the council on

1118
00:37:37,839 --> 00:37:39,680
this then too as far as their

1119
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:41,920
understanding when there's I mean I I

1120
00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:44,240
think as an agenda I don't know how much

1121
00:37:44,240 --> 00:37:47,520
when how much you go into this when you

1122
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,480
present to the council but do they get

1123
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,560
this information to help them understand

1124
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:53,119
the concept?

1125
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:54,720
>> They don't really get into the scoring

1126
00:37:54,720 --> 00:37:56,480
of it all. They're trusting y'all to

1127
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,640
make these determinations. Um they're

1128
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:00,160
looking at the overall things like why

1129
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,640
were people declined? Um if there was a

1130
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:03,839
change in tier one, they want to know

1131
00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:06,320
why and what the change was. uh in tier

1132
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,520
2 um it's how many applicants versus how

1133
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:11,599
much funding was available uh whether

1134
00:38:11,599 --> 00:38:13,760
the declines were ineligible declines or

1135
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:15,839
a board decline but they don't get into

1136
00:38:15,839 --> 00:38:17,359
this they want the kind of highle

1137
00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:19,760
reporting if they were to ask um a lot

1138
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,280
of them do ask after our funding

1139
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,800
recommendations are approved can I have

1140
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,971
a list of every applicant

1141
00:38:24,971 --> 00:38:26,560
[clears throat] and or grantee in my

1142
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,560
district and we provide that but we also

1143
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:29,520
provide another one that we'll talk

1144
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,520
about in a minute which is excuse me

1145
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,440
these ones aren't in your in your city

1146
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,440
or the area in which you represent your

1147
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,400
council district, but they provided

1148
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:40,240
events and functions and they did

1149
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:42,160
outreach in your area. So, they don't

1150
00:38:42,160 --> 00:38:43,839
get into those things. Um, they really

1151
00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:47,440
trust the board to to make that happen.

1152
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,280
>> And finally, just on this page, uh, just

1153
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,520
a a couple reminders regarding our

1154
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:53,599
review discussion reminder since we have

1155
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,160
26 applicants to discuss that we need to

1156
00:38:56,160 --> 00:38:58,560
get through today. Um, our deliberation

1157
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:00,000
time is about eight minutes per

1158
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,440
applicant. You're going to see some

1159
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,680
lovely cards over here. Some of you

1160
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,440
might remember them from last year. At

1161
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,440
the 8 minute mark, which you save these

1162
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:08,320
cards from last year,

1163
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:10,079
>> you know, I remake them, but because we

1164
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:11,760
adjusted the time, we gave you like one

1165
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,160
extra minute to discuss. Um, the lead

1166
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:16,400
reviewer will start and the goal is if

1167
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:18,240
is to look at the bullet points that are

1168
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:22,160
on um in the summary report. If there's

1169
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:24,560
something that we that's not missing or

1170
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:26,640
you wanted to just elaborate slightly

1171
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:29,359
on, go right ahead. But if everything is

1172
00:39:29,359 --> 00:39:31,920
there and you have nothing else to add,

1173
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:34,880
that is okay. Um, a lot of our tier 2

1174
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,960
board members, we did a very similar

1175
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:38,640
process with them. They saw the bullet

1176
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,480
points because it's again all of your

1177
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,400
reviews um comments. They're like,

1178
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,960
"Nope, this is great. Looks great." And

1179
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:47,280
then they moved on to maybe some more

1180
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,280
board discussion, right? So at the five

1181
00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:51,359
minute mark, I will hold up a card where

1182
00:39:51,359 --> 00:39:53,599
the lead reviewer will be like wink hint.

1183
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:55,839
>> This is an official starting with this

1184
00:39:55,839 --> 00:39:59,119
whole thing. So, by the way, so so

1185
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:00,560
you're saying the same thing about weak

1186
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,240
weaknesses, strengths and weaknesses. I

1187
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,560
mean, yes, everything observations.

1188
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:05,760
>> You you would look at both.

1189
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:07,200
>> So, as a lead reviewer, if we have

1190
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:08,400
anything to add.

1191
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,560
>> Correct. I see. Yes. And we created an

1192
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:12,640
observations category for for things

1193
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,357
that you noticed about maybe at

1194
00:40:14,357 --> 00:40:15,680
[clears throat] your site reviews or

1195
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,839
about the application that maybe is not

1196
00:40:17,839 --> 00:40:19,440
necessarily a strength or a weakness,

1197
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,280
but something that you want noted and

1198
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,040
observed. We put that in the

1199
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,359
observations category. So we don't have

1200
00:40:25,359 --> 00:40:27,119
to repeat what we did individually.

1201
00:40:27,119 --> 00:40:28,240
>> No, sir.

1202
00:40:28,240 --> 00:40:29,760
>> Not at all because it's been summarized.

1203
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:30,800
>> That will save time.

1204
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:31,119
>> Yes.

1205
00:40:31,119 --> 00:40:32,960
I also add a couple things to this

1206
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,440
is um so typically when an applicant is

1207
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,040
doing really well, it doesn't take as

1208
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:37,760
long.

1209
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:40,240
>> It's already been noted. Um I I wanted

1210
00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:42,800
to add that um I did send this report to

1211
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,280
the CPA for any financial comments that

1212
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,520
were made and she verified they were all

1213
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:50,400
good to go as was except for two and I I

1214
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,839
redlined that. When we get to those two,

1215
00:40:51,839 --> 00:40:53,200
I'll show you. But they were just minor.

1216
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:54,720
They were really minor things. And it

1217
00:40:54,720 --> 00:40:57,040
might have been our interpretation,

1218
00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,079
what you said. [clears throat] It might

1219
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,240
have been the AI. It might be just a

1220
00:41:00,240 --> 00:41:02,240
clarification, but it all the financial

1221
00:41:02,240 --> 00:41:03,520
information that we put in here that was

1222
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:05,680
summarized is good to go except for I'll

1223
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,119
show you. Um, and then the staff looked

1224
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:08,240
at it. So, I did look at these

1225
00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:12,640
individually one by one and sort of and we only changed tiny slight things,

1226
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,040
but overall it was solid. You guys did a

1227
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,280
solid solid accurate job.

1228
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,680
>> Just clarificate. So, if I'm looking at

1229
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,240
Ballet West, for example, it's got the

1230
00:41:22,240 --> 00:41:23,760
summary of the lead reviewer there, but

1231
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,079
it's also got kind of our feedback from

1232
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:27,040
when we

1233
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:27,359
>> Yes.

1234
00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:29,040
>> were writing down the notes on our

1235
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:30,079
observations for

1236
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:32,160
>> That's correct. And you may notice and

1237
00:41:32,160 --> 00:41:33,760
it it's summarized because maybe you

1238
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:35,520
both noticed the same thing, both

1239
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,040
strengths or weaknesses. So, that's why

1240
00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:39,760
it's condensed because multiple people

1241
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:41,440
observed the same thing.

1242
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:42,800
>> So, this isn't just the league reviewer.

1243
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,160
This is actually all seven board

1244
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,800
members. Same point. If we were in

1245
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,720
submittable though, do we have a way of

1246
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:50,400
looking at what the lead reviewer's

1247
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,280
comments were or are we only seeing our

1248
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,880
applic?

1249
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:56,640
>> I'm laughing because it's Do you want to

1250
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:58,880
>> So for you personally, you're only able

1251
00:41:58,880 --> 00:42:02,000
to see your review comments and notes

1252
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:04,000
for yourself. You're not able to see

1253
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:05,839
what else other board members said.

1254
00:42:05,839 --> 00:42:07,280
That's why we wanted to do the summary

1255
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:08,800
so that you could have an idea of how

1256
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:09,839
else people

1257
00:42:09,839 --> 00:42:12,000
>> I just laughed. We love Submittable and

1258
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,280
we told you you're seeing the products

1259
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,720
all coming out great. But

1260
00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:16,000
>> Cody and I have to guess which board

1261
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,440
member said what because we only get

1262
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:18,800
numbers. Board number one said this,

1263
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:19,920
board number two said that

1264
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:22,000
>> based on submission time. So I can't I

1265
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:23,760
have to kind of figure out like when did

1266
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:25,520
who submitted when.

1267
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:26,960
>> So like that's why when we talked and we

1268
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:28,400
said, "Oh, I made these comments."

1269
00:42:28,400 --> 00:42:28,720
>> Yeah.

1270
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:30,560
>> And some of them you were one or two or

1271
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,160
three. You weren't the same in all of

1272
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:33,760
them because it was who put it in first.

1273
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:34,960
>> Yes.

1274
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,359
>> So it's a mystery to us. Um that's one

1275
00:42:37,359 --> 00:42:39,680
of the only mysteries that is that we

1276
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:40,800
struggle with. But we don't always

1277
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:41,359
struggle to be honest with you.

1278
00:42:41,359 --> 00:42:42,800
>> Is that something Submittable is working

1279
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:46,880
on their team? Have you discussed

1280
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:47,440
as a part of our

1281
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:49,040
>> tweets? We're going to do a post.

1282
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,040
>> So you guys aren't able to go in and see

1283
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,240
what our notes are.

1284
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,160
>> I can see what your notes are, but I

1285
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,880
can't I have to go into each individual

1286
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,640
review to see and I kind of have to

1287
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,960
guess like cuz I can get an export that

1288
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,680
says it all. I know who it is and that's

1289
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:04,560
how I put it together.

1290
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,960
>> So you mainly went into each of us and

1291
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:10,079
then you aggregated like this. I thought

1292
00:43:10,079 --> 00:43:14,640
you did. Good job.

1293
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,480
>> There's no AI for that yet, right?

1294
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:19,119
>> Well,

1295
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:20,880
>> there is, but he has to collect all that

1296
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,400
stuff, right? You still have to put the

1297
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:22,720
data.

1298
00:43:22,720 --> 00:43:24,240
>> You still have to put everything in.

1299
00:43:24,240 --> 00:43:24,800
Yep.

1300
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,440
>> I'm just curious when an organization

1301
00:43:27,440 --> 00:43:29,359
and I looked at, you know, last year's

1302
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:31,440
notes. I actually looked up the little

1303
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:34,000
video of today and I watched about 10

1304
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,119
minutes. I'm like, "Okay, I'm not going

1305
00:43:35,119 --> 00:43:37,760
to watch seven hours of you deliberating

1306
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:39,280
last year, but I just wanted to get a

1307
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:40,960
feel for what it seemed like." And I

1308
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,119
wondered what do the organizations

1309
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:45,839
actually see? Will they be able to see a

1310
00:43:45,839 --> 00:43:48,000
similar summary

1311
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,000
with you? And will they be able to see,

1312
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:53,760
you know, what this report that you

1313
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,640
>> Yes. So to um what we will do after this

1314
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,119
conversation and after today is as we

1315
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:01,280
take the notes and we um you know, you

1316
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:03,119
adjust your scores, we're keeping track

1317
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:05,200
of all of that. So, yes, we do have

1318
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,359
plans to give them something like this.

1319
00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:09,359
It probably won't look exactly like

1320
00:44:09,359 --> 00:44:12,160
this, but um and you know, we'll take

1321
00:44:12,160 --> 00:44:13,760
some of the strengths, weaknesses if we

1322
00:44:13,760 --> 00:44:16,160
need to do any tweaking of language a

1323
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,359
little bit, but yes, they're going to

1324
00:44:17,359 --> 00:44:20,800
get something like this um

1325
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:22,720
>> at the end of the day. Not today, but

1326
00:44:22,720 --> 00:44:24,880
the end of the submittable,

1327
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:25,920
>> correct? they'll be up to.

1328
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,640
>> Yeah. So, we'll um So, if we finish

1329
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:31,440
today, the next step is is that uh I

1330
00:44:31,440 --> 00:44:34,400
draft an email that I send out that's a

1331
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,319
preliminary approval. No dollar amounts.

1332
00:44:36,319 --> 00:44:38,640
It just says the board met and they are

1333
00:44:38,640 --> 00:44:39,599
putting their preliminary

1334
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:41,839
recommendations for you to be awarded

1335
00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:44,720
forward. Okay? And then if obviously

1336
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:46,000
there's one that won't be because we

1337
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,960
have 23 applicants for 22 spots, I would

1338
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,599
notify them of a decline. They have 10

1339
00:44:51,599 --> 00:44:53,920
days, business days to appeal. Um and

1340
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:56,240
then uh tier two will meet at the end of

1341
00:44:56,240 --> 00:44:58,880
the month. Um and then I will take both

1342
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,319
sets of we will take both sets of

1343
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:02,720
recommendations to council. Um once

1344
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:05,440
council approves, we give a lot of

1345
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:06,800
information. We give them their approval

1346
00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:08,319
and the dollar amount if we can at that

1347
00:45:08,319 --> 00:45:10,560
time. But we're going to give them this

1348
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,319
and then again Dustin will incorporate

1349
00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:13,520
all what you're talking. We'll give you

1350
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,119
a copy of that. Um we will give them

1351
00:45:15,119 --> 00:45:16,400
their scores before and after the

1352
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,000
financial health test. We'll give them

1353
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:20,560
if they're adequate or uh strong. Uh

1354
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:21,760
we're going to add a couple things.

1355
00:45:21,760 --> 00:45:23,200
We're going to do percent. Cody added

1356
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,400
percentiles for the first time last

1357
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:25,520
year. So instead of just saying here's

1358
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:26,720
your score and the average, he's going

1359
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:28,480
to say what we did last year. You're in

1360
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:30,800
upper lower 25 or 10. You're in the

1361
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:31,839
middle. So they kind of know where

1362
00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:33,839
they're ranking of the pool. And then

1363
00:45:33,839 --> 00:45:35,680
we're also going to do staff comments,

1364
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,599
which we're both stoked about this year.

1365
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:39,200
Um is sometimes they don't see all the

1366
00:45:39,200 --> 00:45:41,040
things the CPA says that really need to

1367
00:45:41,040 --> 00:45:42,400
be noted. They don't really look at the

1368
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:43,680
checklist. So we're going to put those

1369
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:45,119
more up front. Um, we had a couple

1370
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:46,400
issues this year of a couple things that

1371
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:48,000
weren't seen and not Dustin and I had to

1372
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,920
go backwards one by one and get all the

1373
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,000
applicants to turn stuff in. Um, and

1374
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:53,280
then Cody and I can bring certain things

1375
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,839
up front like make sure you look at this

1376
00:45:55,839 --> 00:45:57,760
note or make sure your post spending

1377
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,280
report because we do those for you. We

1378
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,280
read the postpending wasn't very good.

1379
00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:02,640
You're not informing the board very

1380
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:04,000
much. Like this wasn't an adequate

1381
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,400
answer. So, um, they'll get this year

1382
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,880
really almost a comprehensive report

1383
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:11,359
sort of back and we can show you once we

1384
00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:13,359
develop it. Um, and I will say one thing

1385
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:14,960
about this, this will be shared in

1386
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,040
aggregate. So the lead reviewer name is

1387
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:18,960
not going to be listed in there as far

1388
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,839
as the document goes. So that will be a

1389
00:46:21,839 --> 00:46:23,760
representation of your entire strengths,

1390
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:24,400
weaknesses.

1391
00:46:24,400 --> 00:46:26,560
>> May I just add something to this? So, as

1392
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,200
we as each of you go through your

1393
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:30,720
reviews,

1394
00:46:30,720 --> 00:46:33,760
um my suggestion would maybe share an

1395
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:36,400
anecdote of if you attended an event and

1396
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:37,920
you know what that experience was so it

1397
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:40,160
gives us a little bit more context for

1398
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:42,400
it and then just focus on adding

1399
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,640
anything that you think is missing or a

1400
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:46,400
new thought you had without having to

1401
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:48,560
just repeat you know exactly what this

1402
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:50,480
is. And I'll give you a two-minute

1403
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:52,960
warning when we're getting to that down

1404
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,119
to the wire and it'll say wrap up so

1405
00:46:55,119 --> 00:46:56,720
that you kind of start wrapping things

1406
00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:59,920
up. Again, like Samantha said, um, and

1407
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,160
if for some reason it's off track or a

1408
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:03,839
parking lot, I'm going to raise this and

1409
00:47:03,839 --> 00:47:06,000
be like, "Okay, we'll put it stop write

1410
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,240
a sticky note, put it up there." Um,

1411
00:47:08,240 --> 00:47:10,640
like Samantha said, if you want to

1412
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:13,839
change your scores today, you can. um

1413
00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:15,440
and we'll probably at probably at the

1414
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:17,280
end of each deliberation kind of have a

1415
00:47:17,280 --> 00:47:20,000
hold a little space for you to do that

1416
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,599
do [clears throat] that in submittable

1417
00:47:21,599 --> 00:47:24,079
and then I will look at the changes you

1418
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:26,640
make in submittable and I'll be doing on

1419
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:28,400
the back end some just calculations with

1420
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,760
the new score numbers um so do make sure

1421
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,160
that you have that open as part of our

1422
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,079
um discussion in case you want to change

1423
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:39,520
it um and again make sure you hit um

1424
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:42,560
save or submit submit actually um so

1425
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:44,800
that it comes

1426
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:48,240
So yes and and anything today it again

1427
00:47:48,240 --> 00:47:50,880
we have to manually move the reviews the

1428
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,280
applicants into a different stage for

1429
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,000
your reviews to lock. So you're good for

1430
00:47:56,000 --> 00:47:59,599
changing scores um before the end of

1431
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:01,760
today. Anything else Samantha before we

1432
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:02,160
move?

1433
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:03,040
>> I would say if there's any more

1434
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,440
questions um from that one I I don't

1435
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:06,640
think we need to go through the data

1436
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:08,960
report but we did have that on there um

1437
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:11,440
but we can talk about that later. Um, I

1438
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,440
was going to add you talked about the

1439
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,599
time cards.

1440
00:48:15,599 --> 00:48:17,040
Was there any questions about this

1441
00:48:17,040 --> 00:48:18,160
report or how we're going to work our

1442
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:20,319
way through it? No. Okay. Just so you

1443
00:48:20,319 --> 00:48:22,000
know, Cody is going to keep track of

1444
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,119
everything so that at certain points

1445
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:25,680
when we need to see rankings of like

1446
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,119
where everybody's starting to fall or

1447
00:48:27,119 --> 00:48:28,079
when we get towards the end of our

1448
00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:29,543
meeting, he'll have all of that

1449
00:48:29,543 --> 00:48:30,480
[clears throat] so we can just pull it

1450
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:34,000
up. So, um, are we good to

1451
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,800
>> Yeah,

1452
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:41,270
I think so.

1453
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,839
Hi Tori.

1454
00:48:43,839 --> 00:48:45,359
>> Hi. How are you?

1455
00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:47,520
>> Good.

1456
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:48,559
>> Sounds like you had some good

1457
00:48:48,559 --> 00:48:50,559
discussions.

1458
00:48:50,559 --> 00:48:52,559
>> I like that new report from Submittable.

1459
00:48:52,559 --> 00:48:53,920
That's kind of neat.

1460
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:55,440
>> She got a chance to look at some of our

1461
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,440
reporting that you're seeing to check on

1462
00:48:57,440 --> 00:48:59,920
those comments and she was like,

1463
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:02,079
that's great. [laughter]

1464
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:04,240
This is Tori. She's our CPA. Tori, how

1465
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:06,079
long have you been with us?

1466
00:49:06,079 --> 00:49:09,839
>> I don't know. Um I don't know. I imagine

1467
00:49:09,839 --> 00:49:14,000
20 maybe 25 years just just after Zap

1468
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,640
was done. So I've been in it from almost

1469
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:19,760
the beginning with when it hit and then

1470
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,880
Vicky Bournes and Kirsten and yeah so

1471
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:25,219
it's been really a fun project.

1472
00:49:25,219 --> 00:49:25,760
[clears throat]

1473
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:27,839
>> Um so she uh looks at all of our things.

1474
00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:29,520
She really is doing a lot of the work

1475
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:31,920
around um category five which is the

1476
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,920
financial health test. And so Tori, I

1477
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:35,440
thought we'd start off with um having

1478
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:36,400
you just give a little bit of an

1479
00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:37,920
overview of this year's pool and any

1480
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:39,359
kind of trends or anything that you want

1481
00:49:39,359 --> 00:49:41,040
to chat through.

1482
00:49:41,040 --> 00:49:43,119
>> Okay. I know one of the things that was

1483
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:44,960
on, you know, that was asked is whether

1484
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,599
or not there's going to be any like uh

1485
00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:49,440
accounting to accounting standards kind

1486
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:50,559
of thing that's going to be, you know,

1487
00:49:50,559 --> 00:49:52,000
it's in the pipeline. And this year for

1488
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,880
once there it wasn't. It has been brutal

1489
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,880
for the past few years just like

1490
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,920
painful. But this year it's like okay.

1491
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:01,520
So it's been it's been really nice.

1492
00:50:01,520 --> 00:50:02,880
there's there's a new income tax

1493
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,720
provision, but it doesn't affect the

1494
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:07,440
nonprofits. So, oh, it was a sigh of

1495
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:09,599
relief for that. So, um so nothing right

1496
00:50:09,599 --> 00:50:11,280
now and I don't know of really anything

1497
00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:12,800
that's pertinent right now that's coming

1498
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:15,200
out that's going to be critical.

1499
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:20,800
Um as far as uh as far as trends, I

1500
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:21,839
guess I don't know if it's really a

1501
00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:23,040
change. Let me look at one more thing

1502
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:26,134
just a second before I say that

1503
00:50:26,134 --> 00:50:27,040
[clears throat]

1504
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:29,599
10. Yeah. Um, one of the things I'll get

1505
00:50:29,599 --> 00:50:31,440
into the definition or kind of a little

1506
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:33,440
bit brief summary about the financial

1507
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,800
health tests about what we look at, but

1508
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,440
I will say that financial health test

1509
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:41,440
five is the one that's failed most

1510
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:45,359
often. This year it had seven

1511
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:46,720
organizations that failed that

1512
00:50:46,720 --> 00:50:48,319
particular test where there's only one

1513
00:50:48,319 --> 00:50:50,559
that failed health test one and two that

1514
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,960
failed health test two and two that

1515
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:55,680
failed health test three. So the natural

1516
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:58,559
health test uh five is the is the

1517
00:50:58,559 --> 00:51:00,079
largest one and I was what I was just

1518
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:01,680
verifying was last year was the same

1519
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:04,160
situation. Last year there were 10. So,

1520
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:05,760
um, and I'll and I'll talk about why a

1521
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:07,920
little bit on that one, but anyway. So,

1522
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,359
what we do is there there are six

1523
00:51:09,359 --> 00:51:12,720
financial health tests that we do. And I

1524
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:14,400
really don't know the levels of

1525
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,280
financial, you know, experience that a

1526
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:20,240
lot of you have, but the first one has

1527
00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:22,480
to do with unre has to do with net

1528
00:51:22,480 --> 00:51:24,800
assets without donor restrictions. And

1529
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:26,240
we just look to see if that's positive

1530
00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:28,319
or negative. So, if it's positive, you

1531
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:30,400
pass. If it's negative, you fail.

1532
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,720
>> And then we look at net working capital.

1533
00:51:32,720 --> 00:51:34,559
If your current asset total is higher

1534
00:51:34,559 --> 00:51:36,559
than your current liability total, you

1535
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:39,440
pass. If it's not, you fail. So that's

1536
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,680
very simple. And then uh financial

1537
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,280
health test four is debt to total

1538
00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:45,839
assets. Your debt has to be less than 2

1539
00:51:45,839 --> 00:51:48,079
to one. And so that one I don't know if

1540
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:51,920
anyone's ever failed that one. So that's a that's a luckily that's one

1541
00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,319
that's that's pretty easy. Financial

1542
00:51:54,319 --> 00:51:57,200
health tests three and five are based on

1543
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:59,839
three-year averages. So, I look at the

1544
00:51:59,839 --> 00:52:01,359
current year financial statements and

1545
00:52:01,359 --> 00:52:04,160
then I go back two more years and I do

1546
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:06,880
an average and then I do a calculation.

1547
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,040
In financial health test three, if that

1548
00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,880
average is positive, we're done. You

1549
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:14,480
pass. If it's negative, I go on I have

1550
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:16,640
one more calculation to do, which is I

1551
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,240
take unrestricted [clears throat]

1552
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:20,000
net assets or net assets without doing

1553
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:22,079
restrictions. I multiply that by 50% and

1554
00:52:22,079 --> 00:52:24,800
I compare the two. So, um, so anyway,

1555
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,240
that's that's just that's a lot of

1556
00:52:26,240 --> 00:52:30,559
detail. Um, so anyway, if the if the

1557
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:32,960
negative average exceeds that second

1558
00:52:32,960 --> 00:52:34,559
calculation, then it's a fail. If they

1559
00:52:34,559 --> 00:52:37,119
don't, they pass. So that one is usually

1560
00:52:37,119 --> 00:52:40,319
pretty good, too. The the number five is

1561
00:52:40,319 --> 00:52:43,280
the cash from operations.

1562
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:45,200
That's the one that's the most failed.

1563
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,960
And what we do is we look at cash from

1564
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:48,800
operating activities. So in a cash flow

1565
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,880
statement, you have three sections. You

1566
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,520
have operating activities, investing

1567
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:56,880
activities, and financing activities.

1568
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,280
And the cash flow statement basically

1569
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:01,200
tells how you're getting your cash. Are

1570
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,240
you selling assets? Are you borrowing?

1571
00:53:04,240 --> 00:53:06,720
Or, and this is why it's so important,

1572
00:53:06,720 --> 00:53:08,960
are you generating cash from operations,

1573
00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:11,119
from grants, from contributions, from

1574
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:13,040
ticket sales, that kind of thing. If

1575
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:15,040
that's a positive number, you're usually

1576
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,720
doing really well, even if you may maybe

1577
00:53:16,720 --> 00:53:18,720
fail some of these other ones. And so

1578
00:53:18,720 --> 00:53:20,240
that's why I always look at it as the

1579
00:53:20,240 --> 00:53:21,680
most important statement. Unfortunately,

1580
00:53:21,680 --> 00:53:22,960
it's the most difficult financial

1581
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,960
statement to prepare. So that's where a

1582
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,480
lot of my comments come in when I'm

1583
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:28,319
giving them to the to the organization

1584
00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:31,440
or to the auditor. But um anyway, so

1585
00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:32,640
that one to me is the most important

1586
00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:34,240
one. And it's just it's just like the

1587
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:36,960
university uh in the university audit

1588
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,559
reports, they have a management's

1589
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:41,200
discussion analysis in those reports.

1590
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,119
And what they say on this and I love

1591
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:44,720
this this a statement of cash flow is it

1592
00:53:44,720 --> 00:53:46,880
says it provides answers to such

1593
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:49,040
questions as where did cash come from

1594
00:53:49,040 --> 00:53:50,800
what was cash used for and what was the

1595
00:53:50,800 --> 00:53:52,160
change in cash balanced during the

1596
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,000
reporting period. So it's a very

1597
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:59,520
important statement it uh sorry it gives you a lot of

1598
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:00,960
information it's just hard because it

1599
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,400
has calculations involved in how to

1600
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,079
prepare it. So I mean so there that's

1601
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:06,319
usually like I said where more of my

1602
00:54:06,319 --> 00:54:07,680
comments if I have financial statement

1603
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:09,440
comments they come from that is there's

1604
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:10,880
some kind of error in that financial

1605
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:12,400
statement.

1606
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:15,599
And so going on with that one I I I'm

1607
00:54:15,599 --> 00:54:17,200
sure you can see this on this list. You

1608
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,119
can see that there's two uh two

1609
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:21,839
organizations that failed two or more

1610
00:54:21,839 --> 00:54:23,440
health tests. So if you fail you have

1611
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,920
six here. If you fail two or more then

1612
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:27,760
you fail the overall health test.

1613
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:29,440
There's one exception to that and that's

1614
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,000
financial health test six. That's called

1615
00:54:32,000 --> 00:54:34,880
the going concern. A going concern is an

1616
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,079
accounting term. So, you're not going to

1617
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:37,359
find it anywhere really. It's just an

1618
00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:38,800
accounting term. And it says, well, an

1619
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,119
in it's the assumption that an entity

1620
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:43,920
will remain in business for one year

1621
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,720
from the date of the financial report.

1622
00:54:46,720 --> 00:54:49,359
So, if you have a December year end like

1623
00:54:49,359 --> 00:54:51,599
some a lot of these entities do and I

1624
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:54,160
finish the audit in May,

1625
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:55,680
between my discussions and my

1626
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:57,680
observations and that with management,

1627
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,520
is this entity going to be in business

1628
00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:01,680
by next May?

1629
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:03,920
So that they used to play kind of a game

1630
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:05,599
like if it was December you're in and

1631
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:06,720
we'll issue the audit report in

1632
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:08,079
September because you could probably

1633
00:55:08,079 --> 00:55:09,760
last three more months you know that was

1634
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:12,240
that kind of thing. Um you know whether

1635
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:13,839
you're in business a year from the end

1636
00:55:13,839 --> 00:55:15,520
of the financial statement date. Now

1637
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,240
it's the report date. So games are over

1638
00:55:18,240 --> 00:55:20,640
you know so will you be in business a

1639
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,319
year from when we finished the audit and

1640
00:55:22,319 --> 00:55:25,680
have issued it. And so uh so that's what

1641
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,599
a going concern is. It's ongoing. You're

1642
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,319
still in business. So if there's a

1643
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:32,800
concern with the auditor's observations

1644
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,839
of how things look financially and or

1645
00:55:35,839 --> 00:55:38,960
management has a problem with that

1646
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,520
but it's alleviated but someone else

1647
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:43,040
looking at can say h this still is

1648
00:55:43,040 --> 00:55:45,280
weird. Then you do a a disclosure in the

1649
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,359
audit report in the in the in the notes

1650
00:55:47,359 --> 00:55:49,520
to the audit and say we had some

1651
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:51,520
concerns but based on management they

1652
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:56,400
have a plan they're going to get this and this or blah blah blah. Um then

1653
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,559
if it's really bad and that's still not

1654
00:55:58,559 --> 00:56:00,400
alleviated then the auditor actually

1655
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,559
puts it in the auditor report the the

1656
00:56:02,559 --> 00:56:03,839
letter that precedes the financial

1657
00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:05,280
statements that comes from the auditor

1658
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,799
and they say point and they point to

1659
00:56:06,799 --> 00:56:08,640
this note disclosure saying we have

1660
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,240
concerns about this entity staying in

1661
00:56:10,240 --> 00:56:12,480
business for the foreseeable future. So

1662
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,799
if that happens either a paragraph in

1663
00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:17,760
the note disclosures or in the auditor's

1664
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:18,960
report that's referring to note

1665
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:20,319
disclosures. If either one of those

1666
00:56:20,319 --> 00:56:22,480
exists, it's an automatic fail for

1667
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:24,480
financial health test six and you fail

1668
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:27,760
the financial health test. So, so that's

1669
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:29,839
an automatic fail. And then the other

1670
00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:31,040
one is just you have to have two or

1671
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:32,960
more. So that that's a long explanation

1672
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,160
for that, but that's why it's so

1673
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:35,680
important for for these financial health

1674
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:37,599
tests. And of course, we had a lot of

1675
00:56:37,599 --> 00:56:39,359
those back in COVID days. And so that

1676
00:56:39,359 --> 00:56:42,000
was suspended for a couple years because

1677
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,319
no one knew where they were um how it

1678
00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:45,599
was going to how it was going to turn

1679
00:56:45,599 --> 00:56:47,839
out. So,

1680
00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:50,160
um, anyway, so any questions on this so

1681
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:50,960
far?

1682
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:52,000
>> I was just going to make a point. The

1683
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:53,599
board did during COVID, the board did

1684
00:56:53,599 --> 00:56:56,079
make a decision to suspend question or

1685
00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:58,720
test six and so that was let go for I

1686
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:00,079
think we did it one more year pass. I

1687
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:03,040
think we allowed it for 22 as well uh

1688
00:57:03,040 --> 00:57:04,880
just to give some time and space and

1689
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,040
then it's back on. Um, but I I've never

1690
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,680
seen anybody I don't think in tier one

1691
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:11,680
fail it. So yeah, we could go ahead if

1692
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:13,119
anyone does have any questions go into

1693
00:57:13,119 --> 00:57:14,240
the two.

1694
00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:14,880
>> I have a question.

1695
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,760
>> Oh, go ahead. So Tori, one of the

1696
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,839
applicants I was reviewing this year

1697
00:57:19,839 --> 00:57:21,119
brought to [clears throat] my attention,

1698
00:57:21,119 --> 00:57:23,599
they brought it up about endowments

1699
00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:25,920
>> and I think um you may have answered

1700
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:27,760
through Samantha requests for

1701
00:57:27,760 --> 00:57:29,920
information. I was trying to understand

1702
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,760
the role of endowments because some of

1703
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:33,119
the because some of these organizations

1704
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:35,599
I realize have substantial endowments

1705
00:57:35,599 --> 00:57:37,359
from which they're deriving some

1706
00:57:37,359 --> 00:57:40,400
investment income. How does this figure

1707
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,960
into your, you know, your financial

1708
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,880
analysis in terms of the health of these

1709
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:47,760
organizations? In the one case, they

1710
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,920
talked about building the endowment.

1711
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,000
They're about halfway towards it and

1712
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:53,599
they were building the endowment because

1713
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:56,160
they did not want scenario planning.

1714
00:57:56,160 --> 00:57:57,839
They did not want to re, you know,

1715
00:57:57,839 --> 00:58:00,400
necessarily rely on economic cycles and

1716
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,000
to be able to continue to fund some

1717
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,400
staff and operational things. So, I'm

1718
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:05,920
interested in your perspective about

1719
00:58:05,920 --> 00:58:08,400
what you've seen across that. Do you

1720
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,280
consider that an asset or I'm not sure

1721
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:14,000
what the accounting groups are on that?

1722
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:15,599
>> Uh

1723
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:18,000
so endowments

1724
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,200
there there are two different kinds.

1725
00:58:19,200 --> 00:58:20,319
First of all there's a permanent

1726
00:58:20,319 --> 00:58:22,160
endowment which is kind of the the

1727
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,319
traditional one where you have outside

1728
00:58:24,319 --> 00:58:26,720
sources that say we want to contribute.

1729
00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:27,760
We want to help support your

1730
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:29,440
organization and you're allowed to spin

1731
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,680
off the the investment income and use it

1732
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:33,040
for your organization. Otherwise you

1733
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:34,880
have to keep corpus intact. It's

1734
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:36,559
permanently restricted. you leave it

1735
00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:38,640
alone except for the interest. So that's

1736
00:58:38,640 --> 00:58:41,760
a permanent endowment that that that

1737
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,880
is a like I said it's restricted by

1738
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:47,119
donors and so you don't touch that and

1739
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:48,319
of course you want that to be as large

1740
00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:50,559
as possible too and that's great. I

1741
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:52,000
think I remember the organization you're

1742
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:54,400
talking about and what you you have is a

1743
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,400
second kind called a quasi endowment and

1744
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,400
that means that's an internal it's

1745
00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:00,799
internal designation. This is a clause

1746
00:59:00,799 --> 00:59:02,559
endowment is kind of by the board of

1747
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:04,880
directors by management usually the

1748
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,079
board you know the board needs

1749
00:59:06,079 --> 00:59:07,520
discretion on that is say we want to

1750
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,319
build up this reserve and we want to

1751
00:59:10,319 --> 00:59:11,760
have it be like we don't want to touch

1752
00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:13,599
it we want to spin off income we want to

1753
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:14,960
build it up so that way we don't have to

1754
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:16,799
tap into it unless we need to but it's

1755
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:19,599
an internal one it's it's a great idea.

1756
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:21,119
So it's just basically building a

1757
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:23,839
long-term reserve and so you have even

1758
00:59:23,839 --> 00:59:25,280
have the same disclosures as you would

1759
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:27,520
for a uh permanent restricted reserve.

1760
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:28,559
You have to talk about beginning

1761
00:59:28,559 --> 00:59:30,640
balances and what comprises the

1762
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:32,720
additions and uses of it and ending

1763
00:59:32,720 --> 00:59:34,559
balance. But it's designated definitely

1764
00:59:34,559 --> 00:59:37,760
as quasi meaning you know again internal

1765
00:59:37,760 --> 00:59:40,480
it's unrestricted versus restricted. So

1766
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,680
you always want as much unrestricted

1767
00:59:43,680 --> 00:59:46,160
funds as you can have. And so if you

1768
00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,880
have excess cash and excess investments,

1769
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,280
that kind of thing, put in a quasi

1770
00:59:51,280 --> 00:59:53,119
endowment, you know, and and have this,

1771
00:59:53,119 --> 00:59:54,720
you know, these long-term invest or

1772
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:57,760
investments that you you have designated

1773
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,920
internally as long-term that you don't

1774
00:59:59,920 --> 01:00:02,960
touch, but you can if you need to. So

1775
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,520
quasi endowments be, you know, it's the

1776
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:08,000
best because it's unrestricted funds and

1777
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:09,440
you're just building it up and you can

1778
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,119
tap into it if you need to. And usually

1779
01:00:11,119 --> 01:00:13,440
again it's at it's at board's discretion

1780
01:00:13,440 --> 01:00:14,880
that management can go to the board and

1781
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:17,040
get it. But anyway, so that's that's

1782
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:18,960
fantastic if they have that and it's

1783
01:00:18,960 --> 01:00:20,880
encouraged. You always want to have at

1784
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,280
least three to six months of reserve if

1785
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:24,960
you can. I mean it's just like personal

1786
01:00:24,960 --> 01:00:26,480
financials. But

1787
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,160
>> your emergency fund, your personal

1788
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:29,359
emergency fund.

1789
01:00:29,359 --> 01:00:30,960
>> Yeah. I mean basically yeah

1790
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,559
>> if you could tap into that I mean that

1791
01:00:32,559 --> 01:00:34,880
is amazing. One of the disclosures, the

1792
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:37,920
audit disclosures you have to do is uh

1793
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:40,240
it's called liquidity and availability

1794
01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:42,799
and it says what is your liquidity like

1795
01:00:42,799 --> 01:00:44,720
what resources are available to meet

1796
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:48,160
your your expenses for the next year and

1797
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:50,720
then so that's a quantitative

1798
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:52,400
calculation or presentation. It's

1799
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,640
usually your current assets less um

1800
01:00:54,640 --> 01:00:56,079
prepaids because it's not going to

1801
01:00:56,079 --> 01:00:57,359
provide cash, right? You've already paid

1802
01:00:57,359 --> 01:00:58,960
it and inventory you can't really

1803
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:00,000
convert that like you can with

1804
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,599
receivables. So anyway, so you have

1805
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:03,119
liquidity that's a calculation that's

1806
01:01:03,119 --> 01:01:04,559
quantitative, but they want you to do a

1807
01:01:04,559 --> 01:01:06,960
qualitative one as well. The qualitative

1808
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:10,000
one is we have lines of credit available

1809
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,000
if we can get it. We have credit cards

1810
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,160
that we can tap into if we have to. We

1811
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:17,119
have a reserve. We, you know, our policy

1812
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:20,000
is to invest excess cash and investments

1813
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,680
in this and so we could draw on that. So

1814
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:23,839
that qualitative thing is a really

1815
01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:26,480
important disclosure. And so I always

1816
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:27,839
look for that in these just to make sure

1817
01:01:27,839 --> 01:01:29,520
that it's done. I don't make comments on

1818
01:01:29,520 --> 01:01:32,079
anymore, but um that's what that's

1819
01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:33,440
what's important. So yeah, that's your

1820
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,040
reserve and when they have something

1821
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:37,760
like that or an unused line of credit,

1822
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,040
but they could tap into it. I mean,

1823
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:41,119
those are great things to have in your

1824
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:43,200
back pocket. So yeah, it's an emergency

1825
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:44,880
fund. It's if we need to and then we

1826
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:46,079
don't have to borrow. We don't have to

1827
01:01:46,079 --> 01:01:49,680
sell assets. So it's great. So

1828
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:50,880
>> thank you.

1829
01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:52,880
>> We okay to move on to the financial

1830
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,280
health tests. Um do you want to talk

1831
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,200
about this year since the two from this

1832
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,520
year? Yeah, this year it's Pioneer.

1833
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,599
Sorry, this year's Pioneer Theater. This

1834
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:03,760
is a This They had the same They failed

1835
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,000
last year as well. Last year they had

1836
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:07,599
two that they failed. This year there's

1837
01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,240
three. The additional one was financial

1838
01:02:10,240 --> 01:02:14,160
health test three that they failed. So,

1839
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,079
um, so in the prior year they failed two

1840
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:18,400
and five. And this year they also failed

1841
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,400
three. So, because they had two or more

1842
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:21,359
they fail. And that's why it's

1843
01:02:21,359 --> 01:02:23,920
highlighted in blue. And if you want me

1844
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:25,520
to get into numbers, I could tell you

1845
01:02:25,520 --> 01:02:26,880
that like, oh, they barely failed or

1846
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:28,319
they really failed or whatever. So, I

1847
01:02:28,319 --> 01:02:30,480
could do that. And then the new one is

1848
01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,960
Utah Arts Festival. They failed

1849
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,559
financial health test three and five.

1850
01:02:36,559 --> 01:02:38,640
Uh, one that came off was Utah Arts

1851
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,960
Alliance. Last year they failed and this

1852
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:43,200
year they passed. So, that's great. But

1853
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:45,440
Utah Arts Festival, this is the this is

1854
01:02:45,440 --> 01:02:46,960
the first year they they've been on

1855
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,319
this, meaning they just didn't have it

1856
01:02:48,319 --> 01:02:50,480
last year.

1857
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:52,720
I do have a question Tori and we'll talk

1858
01:02:52,720 --> 01:02:54,160
the past years in just a second with

1859
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:55,359
Tori here.

1860
01:02:55,359 --> 01:02:56,960
>> The only question that I that I have

1861
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:58,480
that might be helpful for the board with

1862
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,040
on on these two that have well I guess

1863
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:05,359
Pioneer because they are a repeat is did

1864
01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:07,760
they improve?

1865
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:11,359
Uh so they failed two and five last

1866
01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:14,640
year. Did they improve from last year do

1867
01:03:14,640 --> 01:03:15,359
you think?

1868
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:16,319
>> Yeah, let me look.

1869
01:03:16,319 --> 01:03:18,400
>> And is it too hard? I just thought the

1870
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,079
board might want to know if they're and

1871
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:21,760
these are right

1872
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:23,359
>> trending. Yeah, it's at least trending.

1873
01:03:23,359 --> 01:03:25,119
>> This is from 2425.

1874
01:03:25,119 --> 01:03:27,119
>> This is this is from 25 is the most

1875
01:03:27,119 --> 01:03:29,200
recent they have unfortunately.

1876
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:30,799
>> Okay.

1877
01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:35,520
>> Um just one second.

1878
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,680
>> So it is dated a minute which is not

1879
01:03:37,680 --> 01:03:39,200
great but

1880
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:42,079
>> and then

1881
01:03:42,079 --> 01:03:44,480
okay they the working capital so it's

1882
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,880
going to be financial health task two.

1883
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,599
It got worse.

1884
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:52,079
It did get worse.

1885
01:03:52,079 --> 01:03:53,760
>> Pioneer Theater financial health test

1886
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,000
too. It got it got worse. They had fewer

1887
01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:58,799
assets and higher fewer current assets

1888
01:03:58,799 --> 01:04:00,799
and higher current liabilities. So both

1889
01:04:00,799 --> 01:04:03,520
directions were were bad. And then

1890
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:07,039
financial health has three

1891
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:09,599
>> uh that last year

1892
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:12,400
>> that right they did not uh that but I'm

1893
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:14,240
just looking at the three average and

1894
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:17,119
this year negative amount is less than

1895
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:17,839
last year.

1896
01:04:17,839 --> 01:04:18,880
>> Okay. So that got better

1897
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,359
>> for 25 versus I'm comparing 25's

1898
01:04:21,359 --> 01:04:25,520
negative amount to 24 and 23. So u so

1899
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,599
next year 23 will drop off. So if they

1900
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:29,760
have a pretty good year in 20 and 26

1901
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:31,839
then I'll improve even more. So that one

1902
01:04:31,839 --> 01:04:33,280
decreased. And then financial health

1903
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,760
test five.

1904
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:39,039
Um it looks like it improved.

1905
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:41,039
So they're going the right direction on

1906
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:42,960
that which is again for me that's the

1907
01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,440
one that's like can operations sustain

1908
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:47,520
themselves you know. And so this year

1909
01:04:47,520 --> 01:04:49,599
the negative cash from operations was

1910
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:55,760
not the average. I'm just talking the 2025 change was 11,284. In the prior

1911
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:00,319
year so 2024 it was a negative 618,000.

1912
01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:03,440
So you go from 618,000 to 11,000 that's

1913
01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:05,359
quite an improvement in your operating

1914
01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:07,039
cash. Now your average was still high.

1915
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:09,920
The average was 659,000 loss for the

1916
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,119
three years. But uh if you look at just

1917
01:05:13,119 --> 01:05:16,319
24 and just 25 change, it improved

1918
01:05:16,319 --> 01:05:17,920
significantly and [clears throat] it

1919
01:05:17,920 --> 01:05:20,319
improved a lot from 2023 which was 1.1

1920
01:05:20,319 --> 01:05:23,039
million. So 1.1 million down to 618 down

1921
01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:25,680
to 11,000. So yes,

1922
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,440
>> that one hopefully maybe next year

1923
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:28,880
that'll turn into you know it'll fall

1924
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,640
off. Maybe that one will fall off. That

1925
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,039
would be great.

1926
01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:35,039
>> Are they aware of their issues before

1927
01:05:35,039 --> 01:05:37,200
you even audit them?

1928
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:40,720
>> I think so. I mean, they have they have an See, let me make sure

1929
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:42,960
before I talk. Yeah, they have a an

1930
01:05:42,960 --> 01:05:44,799
internal loan and an internal loan.

1931
01:05:44,799 --> 01:05:46,079
What's that what they call it? That's a

1932
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:47,520
borrowing. It's like negative cash. It's

1933
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:49,520
a borrowing from the university. And

1934
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:52,880
that increased from 953,000 to 1 point

1935
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,520
almost 2 million. So, it's a cash

1936
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,079
deficit basically. And so they're very

1937
01:05:58,079 --> 01:05:59,760
aware of it, you know, having to you

1938
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:01,200
borrowing like that. Yeah, they're aware

1939
01:06:01,200 --> 01:06:02,400
of it. And they talk about that a little

1940
01:06:02,400 --> 01:06:04,000
bit in their MDNA, the management's

1941
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:06,160
discussion analysis. They'll talk about,

1942
01:06:06,160 --> 01:06:07,280
you know, they're they're still

1943
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:10,079
struggling um with competition. So after

1944
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:13,760
COVID and then having other venues

1945
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,520
presenting a lot of these, you know,

1946
01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:17,440
productions, they're still struggling, I

1947
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:18,559
think, with that competition. That's

1948
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:20,640
what they say. And so they they're

1949
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:22,240
trying to mix up the, you know, the

1950
01:06:22,240 --> 01:06:23,359
seasons and, you know, what they're

1951
01:06:23,359 --> 01:06:25,280
presenting, that kind of thing. But

1952
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:27,359
that's that's kind of what they they

1953
01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:29,280
keep talking about every year is like

1954
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:30,880
we're getting better on this, but we're

1955
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,960
still struggling with this and trying

1956
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,760
to, you know, how are we going to how

1957
01:06:35,760 --> 01:06:37,280
are we going to get more people back to,

1958
01:06:37,280 --> 01:06:40,559
you know, coming to us. And so that that

1959
01:06:40,559 --> 01:06:41,920
is something they're aware of and they

1960
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:43,280
do talk about. So

1961
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:44,799
>> they did provide an extra letter this

1962
01:06:44,799 --> 01:06:47,760
year for for um Tori and for you. It was

1963
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:48,720
in like [clears throat] the attachments

1964
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:50,319
visuals, but it was a document that said

1965
01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:53,039
a letter from the CEO. Um, we met with

1966
01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:55,760
them last year based on a warning letter

1967
01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:58,079
that y'all asked us to do. Um, and we

1968
01:06:58,079 --> 01:06:59,440
did say if you have these extra things

1969
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:00,480
that you want to share how you're

1970
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:01,839
changing trajectory, but we're just

1971
01:07:01,839 --> 01:07:03,839
behind financially by a year or two. So,

1972
01:07:03,839 --> 01:07:05,680
the board can't see the most up to date,

1973
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:06,720
put that letter in there. So, I'm not

1974
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:07,920
sure if you had a chance, but they tried

1975
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,559
to address like reflecting back co was

1976
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:12,960
more impactful than people think and we

1977
01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:14,240
might be the only ones still talking

1978
01:07:14,240 --> 01:07:15,839
about it, but if you really do

1979
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:18,480
reflective nationwide what we do and

1980
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,640
reflect backwards, it is still an issue.

1981
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:21,680
Um, and so I don't know if you had a

1982
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:23,280
chance, but it was for Tori and for for

1983
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,039
y'all, but um,

1984
01:07:25,039 --> 01:07:26,640
>> they did say Oh, sorry. They just said

1985
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:28,480
they set up a repayment plan with the

1986
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,319
university for the outstanding cash

1987
01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:33,920
deficit. So that is, you know, Samantha,

1988
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,240
I don't I'm not sure I have that letter.

1989
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:37,599
What your

1990
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:38,640
>> Sorry, I can get it to you. It's from

1991
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:40,559
Submittable. It's just it's from this,

1992
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:42,960
you know, just saying uh

1993
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:44,000
>> the position that they're in

1994
01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:45,599
financially. And because I said one of

1995
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:47,119
the things the board doesn't love is the

1996
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:49,119
mention of co continuation of co when

1997
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:50,640
you're kind sort of the only one

1998
01:07:50,640 --> 01:07:52,720
mentioning it. So can you address that

1999
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:54,240
please? And I just said could you add

2000
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,559
the extra letter from the CEO trying to

2001
01:07:56,559 --> 01:07:58,400
address the board's concerns around you

2002
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:00,240
still reflecting on your financial

2003
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:04,000
issues are tied to co and so that was in

2004
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:05,680
there. Um I'll add a couple other things

2005
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:06,880
that might be helpful before the board

2006
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:09,680
ask questions. Um so Pioneer this is

2007
01:08:09,680 --> 01:08:12,799
their third third year failing. Um and

2008
01:08:12,799 --> 01:08:14,559
so they got a negative three. So that's

2009
01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:16,080
the change in dynamic that you'll see on

2010
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,839
the score. Um

2011
01:08:17,839 --> 01:08:18,880
>> a big difference.

2012
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:20,960
>> Uh Utah

2013
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:22,560
Festival failed for the first time since

2014
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,400
I've been here. So they have a negative

2015
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:25,759
one. That was this year. That's the

2016
01:08:25,759 --> 01:08:27,839
second one that Tori mentioned.

2017
01:08:27,839 --> 01:08:30,880
>> Utah Arts Alliance failed last year, but

2018
01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:33,279
came off this year. Um and so they have

2019
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:34,799
a negative one as well. That'll change

2020
01:08:34,799 --> 01:08:37,600
their score from your score. And then

2021
01:08:37,600 --> 01:08:40,080
Salt Lake Acting Company failed three

2022
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:41,839
years ago and they came off right away.

2023
01:08:41,839 --> 01:08:43,520
They fail right off the list. So, so

2024
01:08:43,520 --> 01:08:45,600
they're not they're not on it anymore.

2025
01:08:45,600 --> 01:08:48,719
Um, and they had they have a negative

2026
01:08:48,719 --> 01:08:50,719
one as well. So, there's only four of

2027
01:08:50,719 --> 01:08:54,239
the 26 applicants that have an impact

2028
01:08:54,239 --> 01:08:56,480
different from your score versus adding

2029
01:08:56,480 --> 01:09:00,080
in her um Cory's um none of the

2030
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:03,120
Zoologicals had any uh the organizations

2031
01:09:03,120 --> 01:09:06,319
that failed last year that received a

2032
01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:09,440
warning letter or a caution letter um or

2033
01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:10,960
had to do the financial health

2034
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:12,480
improvement plan. Remember, if they

2035
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:13,839
fail, they have to do a financial health

2036
01:09:13,839 --> 01:09:15,759
improvement plan. They have to submit it

2037
01:09:15,759 --> 01:09:18,400
to us addressing the things that you and

2038
01:09:18,400 --> 01:09:20,640
mostly what Tori addressed with them. Um

2039
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:21,839
they're all in good standing. They have

2040
01:09:21,839 --> 01:09:23,359
turned in the reports and at the

2041
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:24,640
beginning of September, they owe a

2042
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,319
progress report. So, so everybody's in

2043
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:29,679
good standing on the letters and on um

2044
01:09:29,679 --> 01:09:31,359
the financial health improvement.

2045
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:33,600
>> So, that will be the expectation to

2046
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:34,400
these two.

2047
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,000
>> Yes, that's a good point. So, this year

2048
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,920
I will contact them again, again, this

2049
01:09:37,920 --> 01:09:39,679
is after council and say, "Here's the

2050
01:09:39,679 --> 01:09:40,960
guidelines. This is what the board

2051
01:09:40,960 --> 01:09:42,319
wants. I'll give them Tori's report

2052
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:43,759
again. This is Tori's comments and

2053
01:09:43,759 --> 01:09:45,679
report. Here's how you scored. You know,

2054
01:09:45,679 --> 01:09:46,799
please make sure you address these

2055
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:48,400
things specifically. They'll report it

2056
01:09:48,400 --> 01:09:50,560
to us. I review it first review.

2057
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,560
Sometimes the team helps and then um I

2058
01:09:52,560 --> 01:09:53,839
give it to Matt because Matt's, you

2059
01:09:53,839 --> 01:09:56,719
know, he's the guy. Um and so he's got

2060
01:09:56,719 --> 01:09:58,000
the experience and he'll ask any

2061
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,199
follow-up questions that he might have

2062
01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:01,040
and we ask any that we have. Um this

2063
01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:02,640
last year we didn't have to ask anybody

2064
01:10:02,640 --> 01:10:04,159
any follow-up questions. They were solid

2065
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:06,080
comments. So,

2066
01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:08,239
>> we're all in good standing on those. any

2067
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:10,239
anything else you you want to does the

2068
01:10:10,239 --> 01:10:12,880
board have questions about the tests or

2069
01:10:12,880 --> 01:10:15,040
this year versus last year or anything

2070
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:16,000
or any information?

2071
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,239
>> Anything that's cloudy to you?

2072
01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:21,440
>> I have a question. So, say that one of

2073
01:10:21,440 --> 01:10:24,880
them was down this last year came up

2074
01:10:24,880 --> 01:10:26,640
this year. If they go back down, it's

2075
01:10:26,640 --> 01:10:29,280
still for the three years they're being

2076
01:10:29,280 --> 01:10:32,320
like they have a year in between. Yes.

2077
01:10:32,320 --> 01:10:34,719
>> Yeah. So, uh we did clean up the rubric

2078
01:10:34,719 --> 01:10:36,320
again. Last year's rubric and before was

2079
01:10:36,320 --> 01:10:37,920
kind of longer. Cody went ahead and

2080
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:39,280
cleaned that up. So, it's still valid

2081
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:40,880
for three years. If you failed, it's

2082
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,560
still going to have an impact on your

2083
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:44,800
score. Um, obviously not as strong of an

2084
01:10:44,800 --> 01:10:46,560
impact if you only fail one, which is

2085
01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:47,760
what three of these did.

2086
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:48,159
>> Yeah.

2087
01:10:48,159 --> 01:10:50,480
>> Um, but you're right, does stay valid on

2088
01:10:50,480 --> 01:10:52,400
scoring even if she passes them through

2089
01:10:52,400 --> 01:10:56,159
the years. Um,

2090
01:10:56,159 --> 01:10:57,040
just one thing, but I [clears throat]

2091
01:10:57,040 --> 01:11:01,040
wanted to say one more thing about this

2092
01:11:01,040 --> 01:11:06,080
financial health test. Um, oh, before we move on to talk about related

2093
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:10,560
party transactions, I just wanted to um

2094
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:17,510
pull up the word document that is the

2095
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:19,199
strengths and weaknesses. Uh, again,

2096
01:11:19,199 --> 01:11:20,800
Tori looked through all your comments

2097
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,719
through joint comments and said she

2098
01:11:22,719 --> 01:11:24,239
understood them and they were all fine

2099
01:11:24,239 --> 01:11:27,440
except for two. Cod and I went ahead and

2100
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:30,960
um updated. Let me pull them up. One was

2101
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:33,600
for

2102
01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,194
emoka. So let me click on emoka.

2103
01:11:36,194 --> 01:11:43,830
[snorts] Oh, it's the word. It won't

2104
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:47,590
let me

2105
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:48,719
on page 19.

2106
01:11:48,719 --> 01:11:51,830
>> Okay.

2107
01:11:51,840 --> 01:11:53,120
So, we just wanted to point these

2108
01:11:53,120 --> 01:11:54,480
two things out just really quick while

2109
01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:56,239
we have her before we move on to related

2110
01:11:56,239 --> 01:11:58,159
party transactions. I don't have page

2111
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:02,560
numbers, but I can see on my side

2112
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:05,520
16. Okay, we're close.

2113
01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:06,880
>> Okay.

2114
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,040
>> Right after natural history.

2115
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:14,560
>> Okay. So, there was one in here that we

2116
01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:16,400
>> um financial report sites while one

2117
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:17,840
reviewer was more than two years old

2118
01:12:17,840 --> 01:12:19,280
raising documentation currency

2119
01:12:19,280 --> 01:12:21,440
questions. And so, Cody and I just added

2120
01:12:21,440 --> 01:12:23,679
that FY for this particular

2121
01:12:23,679 --> 01:12:25,760
organization, their fiscal year ended in

2122
01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:28,640
June. And so I I I think this might have

2123
01:12:28,640 --> 01:12:30,239
been your comment, Peter, but I'm not

2124
01:12:30,239 --> 01:12:32,640
sure. Um, and so we just want to say uh

2125
01:12:32,640 --> 01:12:34,080
June is the latest we have now. It's

2126
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:35,760
been whatever their fiscal year in does

2127
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,110
feel a little older than the December

2128
01:12:37,110 --> 01:12:39,440
[clears throat] or September, but it is

2129
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:41,199
the newest and that's what we asked for

2130
01:12:41,199 --> 01:12:42,960
is the most recently completed fiscal

2131
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:44,800
year. So by it feels like the currency

2132
01:12:44,800 --> 01:12:47,199
is off. It's actually okay unless

2133
01:12:47,199 --> 01:12:48,560
somebody else meant something else by

2134
01:12:48,560 --> 01:12:50,960
that comment. Uh that [clears throat]

2135
01:12:50,960 --> 01:12:52,239
was one ones that Tori was like, you

2136
01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:53,520
know, wait a second. Let's chat through

2137
01:12:53,520 --> 01:12:55,760
that one really quick. Anybody have any

2138
01:12:55,760 --> 01:12:57,199
questions on that?

2139
01:12:57,199 --> 01:12:58,480
>> What was the other one?

2140
01:12:58,480 --> 01:13:02,480
>> Film Society and that's on page nine.

2141
01:13:02,480 --> 01:13:04,159
>> Yeah, that one had to do with an ongoing

2142
01:13:04,159 --> 01:13:06,400
operating deficit since COVID with bad

2143
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,560
debt expense increasing. I'm like I

2144
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,239
don't know.

2145
01:13:10,239 --> 01:13:12,239
Unless it's an internal, you know, maybe

2146
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:13,920
it's a subsequent financial statement

2147
01:13:13,920 --> 01:13:15,360
too like you're talking about or maybe

2148
01:13:15,360 --> 01:13:17,199
it's an internal budget. I'm not sure

2149
01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:19,040
what it's talking about operating

2150
01:13:19,040 --> 01:13:20,719
deficit.

2151
01:13:20,719 --> 01:13:22,960
>> I can't see the for reason.

2152
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:23,920
>> Yes. Remember how

2153
01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:25,440
>> I can share?

2154
01:13:25,440 --> 01:13:27,199
>> Let's have you share. I'm going to stop

2155
01:13:27,199 --> 01:13:28,960
sharing.

2156
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:30,159
>> Yeah, I can see the strength.

2157
01:13:30,159 --> 01:13:35,030
>> Okay, great.

2158
01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,199
» Can you all see that one? It's This is

2159
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:38,320
Was this one?

2160
01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:40,080
>> This is Salt Lake film.

2161
01:13:40,080 --> 01:13:40,800
>> Oh, film. Sorry.

2162
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:42,800
>> Salt Lake Film Society.

2163
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:43,040
>> Okay.

2164
01:13:43,040 --> 01:13:44,239
>> Oh, yeah. That is

2165
01:13:44,239 --> 01:13:47,199
>> one that that um Tori didn't have a

2166
01:13:47,199 --> 01:13:48,560
response to or wasn't able to say

2167
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:49,840
accurate or inaccurate. So, I'm not sure

2168
01:13:49,840 --> 01:13:50,800
who made it, but I just wanted to bring

2169
01:13:50,800 --> 01:13:51,840
that to your attention that we're not

2170
01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,600
able to substantiate that or not.

2171
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,280
Anybody remember that or have questions

2172
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:56,159
for Tori about that?

2173
01:13:56,159 --> 01:13:58,480
>> I didn't have that. I only got

2174
01:13:58,480 --> 01:14:01,360
>> I think I brought that up

2175
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:07,840
>> there related to their um [clears throat]

2176
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:13,760
licensing issues with the film festival

2177
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:18,239
and the legal. It was like I anyway, I

2178
01:14:18,239 --> 01:14:19,120
don't know what it was. in the

2179
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:20,719
financials. Was it in financials or was

2180
01:14:20,719 --> 01:14:23,280
it in like a narrative?

2181
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,679
>> Um,

2182
01:14:25,679 --> 01:14:28,719
it was in the narrative narrative.

2183
01:14:28,719 --> 01:14:29,600
>> All right. Do you remember about

2184
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:31,120
anything like that in their financials?

2185
01:14:31,120 --> 01:14:33,600
>> It was like 63,000

2186
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,920
in bad debt or something and I didn't

2187
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:36,640
know.

2188
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:45,430
>> Oh, let me pull that up.

2189
01:14:45,440 --> 01:14:48,960
» Tower and stuff. [clears throat]

2190
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,000
Yeah, I don't know

2191
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,520
how it was kind of

2192
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:56,800
like

2193
01:14:56,800 --> 01:14:57,280
>> right.

2194
01:14:57,280 --> 01:14:58,960
>> Yeah, they they did have an increase in

2195
01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:00,960
bad debt. The allowance did increase

2196
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,400
from 8,900 to 60,000, but their

2197
01:15:04,400 --> 01:15:06,640
financials are off the charts. I mean,

2198
01:15:06,640 --> 01:15:09,840
they have their their working capital is

2199
01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:11,760
5 million in current assets and only 1

2200
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:13,360
million in current liabilities. So,

2201
01:15:13,360 --> 01:15:14,719
their working capital is hugely

2202
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:16,960
positive. They're without donor

2203
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:18,719
restrictions is $4 and a half million

2204
01:15:18,719 --> 01:15:20,320
dollars.

2205
01:15:20,320 --> 01:15:23,520
>> So they have uh their debt ratio is less

2206
01:15:23,520 --> 01:15:26,080
than 0.02.

2207
01:15:26,080 --> 01:15:29,280
Uh their their change in net assets for

2208
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:31,600
last year was 326,000

2209
01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:34,239
and their cash operations was basically

2210
01:15:34,239 --> 01:15:36,080
a positive. They average over two

2211
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:39,040
million. So they're they're super

2212
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:40,239
healthy. That's why I was curious about

2213
01:15:40,239 --> 01:15:41,920
this operating deficit because I'm like

2214
01:15:41,920 --> 01:15:43,360
maybe it's an internal budget or

2215
01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:45,199
something that I don't know about. But

2216
01:15:45,199 --> 01:15:47,520
from their financials, I'm like, "Wow,

2217
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,560
this is these are great numbers." So,

2218
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:52,000
>> I think it's the proof that the

2219
01:15:52,000 --> 01:15:54,640
narrative can be very confusing in the

2220
01:15:54,640 --> 01:15:55,440
application.

2221
01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:59,040
>> I'm sure my financial ignorant

2222
01:15:59,040 --> 01:16:01,280
no,

2223
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:01,600
you know,

2224
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:02,960
>> sometimes that could have been two

2225
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:04,880
people's comments, too. Don't forget we

2226
01:16:04,880 --> 01:16:06,080
used a little AI. So, that could have

2227
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:08,080
been like two people's comments that it

2228
01:16:08,080 --> 01:16:09,360
put together that someone was concerned

2229
01:16:09,360 --> 01:16:10,480
with this is going to read the same

2230
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:12,159
narrative as you are. And then there's a

2231
01:16:12,159 --> 01:16:13,760
second narative. So, it could be two

2232
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,040
people. because they were

2233
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,847
>> Oh, it's

2234
01:16:17,847 --> 01:16:19,120
[laughter]

2235
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:20,960
again that's why we had them checked

2236
01:16:20,960 --> 01:16:25,920
because remember with AI you just check right verify confirm and so that's

2237
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,199
probably two people's comments is what

2238
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:30,080
Cody down to probably people

2239
01:16:30,080 --> 01:16:32,400
>> it's strike those

2240
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,719
>> is that okay if we do that okay

2241
01:16:34,719 --> 01:16:37,760
>> okay let's move on to strike

2242
01:16:37,760 --> 01:16:41,430
>> I'm sorry [laughter]

2243
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:44,239
» uh related party transactions

2244
01:16:44,239 --> 01:16:45,760
Okay.

2245
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:46,480
>> Okay. So, did

2246
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:47,120
>> Oh, go ahead.

2247
01:16:47,120 --> 01:16:48,640
>> Can I ask a question? Did you want me to

2248
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,000
do the same thing with each arts

2249
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:51,600
festival or not that we did for Pioneer

2250
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:51,920
Theater?

2251
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:54,480
>> Oh, sure. Sure. I apologize. Sorry.

2252
01:16:54,480 --> 01:16:56,159
>> I I just don't I don't know. And I And

2253
01:16:56,159 --> 01:16:58,080
I'll for you.

2254
01:16:58,080 --> 01:16:59,600
>> I'm getting into it right now. So, let

2255
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,080
me look. Uh let's see which ones did

2256
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,800
they fail. They failed three and five.

2257
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:07,840
Okay. So,

2258
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,159
number three, the number that we used

2259
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:12,480
for 2025 in that average was worse than

2260
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:14,159
the prior two years. So, that one's a

2261
01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:16,159
little bit worse.

2262
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:20,080
>> And then, um, and cash flow, let me look

2263
01:17:20,080 --> 01:17:23,199
at that one, was worse.

2264
01:17:23,199 --> 01:17:25,120
So, actually, it's quite a bit worse.

2265
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:28,080
Um, in 2024, they had a positive. So I'm

2266
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:29,280
talking about financial health test

2267
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:32,960
three. Their change in unrestricted

2268
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:36,000
or net assets without donor restrict was

2269
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:38,000
positive 62 and they went down to a

2270
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:41,600
negative 92. And then in cash flow on

2271
01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:44,719
financial health test 5. In 2024 they

2272
01:17:44,719 --> 01:17:46,719
had a positive 55 but they had a

2273
01:17:46,719 --> 01:17:49,920
negative 20 I mean negative 47,000. So

2274
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:54,080
those two did worsen but but better than

2275
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,560
2023. So, [laughter]

2276
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:59,840
so anyway, the Yeah. So, anyway, I just

2277
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:00,880
thought I'd give you that to if you

2278
01:18:00,880 --> 01:18:03,760
wanted to know that. So, 2020 uh four

2279
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:06,080
were better numbers than than the than

2280
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:09,760
the current year than 2025 were. So,

2281
01:18:09,760 --> 01:18:12,960
>> Utah Arts Festival.

2282
01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:14,159
>> Any other questions?

2283
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:16,159
>> That's an indicator

2284
01:18:16,159 --> 01:18:18,719
festival quality,

2285
01:18:18,719 --> 01:18:23,040
the user experience there. I really do.

2286
01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:25,120
Any

2287
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:29,494
other questions?

2288
01:18:29,504 --> 01:18:29,600
[clears throat]

2289
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:31,679
>> Hey,

2290
01:18:31,679 --> 01:18:33,520
I know Samantha just went to go take

2291
01:18:33,520 --> 01:18:35,280
just a quick health break, but we'll

2292
01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:38,080
talk about um probably related party

2293
01:18:38,080 --> 01:18:40,000
transactions in the next. So, if you

2294
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,560
want to go ahead um and get that

2295
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,239
document

2296
01:18:44,239 --> 01:18:46,560
um squared up.

2297
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:48,480
So, it'll look like this.

2298
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:50,400
>> Yep. and we'll put it on the um Samantha

2299
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,800
will put it a little bit on the on the

2300
01:18:52,800 --> 01:18:54,320
screen

2301
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:56,960
when she gets back.

2302
01:18:56,960 --> 01:19:00,080
Um the purpose of the document um so the

2303
01:19:00,080 --> 01:19:03,679
guides 1031 give the the advisory board

2304
01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:06,719
discretion to allow or disallow related

2305
01:19:06,719 --> 01:19:10,000
party transactions exceeding 5,000 in

2306
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,480
the aggregate uh when determining an

2307
01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:14,400
applicant's qualified operating

2308
01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:15,920
expenditures. That's just right up here

2309
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:19,040
in the purpose part of that document.

2310
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:22,800
Okay. Um, the board practice that was

2311
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,719
adopted and during the orientation, the

2312
01:19:24,719 --> 01:19:27,199
ZAP staff prepared a summary following

2313
01:19:27,199 --> 01:19:29,520
review of the transaction information in

2314
01:19:29,520 --> 01:19:33,360
consultation with with Tori. Um, we

2315
01:19:33,360 --> 01:19:35,280
we're briefing the executive committee

2316
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:36,800
and presenting noteworthy information

2317
01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:38,560
and recommendations to the advisory

2318
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:43,520
board for action when appropriate. Um,

2319
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:44,719
the [clears throat] list of factors the

2320
01:19:44,719 --> 01:19:46,320
advisory board may consider. These are

2321
01:19:46,320 --> 01:19:48,880
from policy the 1031.

2322
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,280
And then around consistency reminders.

2323
01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:53,120
Samantha, do you want to chat chime in

2324
01:19:53,120 --> 01:19:54,080
about that one?

2325
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,080
>> Yeah. Um, so again, this is something

2326
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:57,920
that Tori has really taught us over the

2327
01:19:57,920 --> 01:19:59,760
last few years is that applying it

2328
01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,080
consistently for each organization. And

2329
01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:03,120
so today, I'll talk about some

2330
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:04,640
comparisons of what you approved last

2331
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:06,400
year versus this year so you can feel it

2332
01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:08,560
consistency as well as what proof they

2333
01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:10,719
provided. So basically, I hope I'm not

2334
01:20:10,719 --> 01:20:13,679
going over anything, but okay. Um, uh,

2335
01:20:13,679 --> 01:20:16,000
typically if it's under $5,000, the

2336
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:17,679
board doesn't review it. They don't need

2337
01:20:17,679 --> 01:20:19,360
to provide proof of leadership

2338
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:21,600
understanding it or approving it either.

2339
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,600
Um, we just allow it to be a qualified

2340
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,040
expense that counts towards their

2341
01:20:25,040 --> 01:20:26,560
qualifying expenditures, which counts

2342
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,719
towards how you calculate their award.

2343
01:20:28,719 --> 01:20:31,199
If it's over $5,000,

2344
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:33,520
um, the we make the board aware of it

2345
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:34,719
and the [clears throat] organization can

2346
01:20:34,719 --> 01:20:37,120
decide whether they want the board to

2347
01:20:37,120 --> 01:20:38,640
consider it as part of qualifying

2348
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:40,000
expenditures that goes towards their

2349
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:42,480
award or not. There is an organization

2350
01:20:42,480 --> 01:20:44,480
that had more qualifying expenditures

2351
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:47,199
over $5,000 that decided not to have the

2352
01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:48,640
board look at it and then they want them

2353
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:50,480
all counted as unqualified,

2354
01:20:50,480 --> 01:20:52,296
>> which is their decision. The rest

2355
01:20:52,296 --> 01:20:53,840
[clears throat] of them have procedures

2356
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:55,920
in their organization. Again, this is

2357
01:20:55,920 --> 01:20:58,880
consistency that their leadership um

2358
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,440
accepted the transaction and approved

2359
01:21:01,440 --> 01:21:02,800
the transaction. I'll get into those in

2360
01:21:02,800 --> 01:21:04,320
a second, but that that's the

2361
01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:05,920
consistency is that she feels like it

2362
01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:08,480
should be the same factors um for

2363
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:11,360
everyone um and that we ought to look at

2364
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:13,280
year-over-year how it's done. So, we did

2365
01:21:13,280 --> 01:21:15,760
that. Um right here, this is Oh, do you

2366
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,800
have a question? Okay, so at the glance

2367
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:21,199
that a little bit bigger

2368
01:21:21,199 --> 01:21:23,920
uh this is at the at a glance of this

2369
01:21:23,920 --> 01:21:27,280
year's um so this year's again uh it's a

2370
01:21:27,280 --> 01:21:31,040
funny thing. Um, so on the notification,

2371
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:34,800
we forgot this question and so Tori was

2372
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:36,000
the one that found it, but we didn't

2373
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:37,679
have it. So I emailed them all

2374
01:21:37,679 --> 01:21:40,239
individually. One group email let us

2375
01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:42,320
know what these are and we got responses

2376
01:21:42,320 --> 01:21:43,600
we've never seen before. We were

2377
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:46,320
inundated with people who did not report

2378
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,560
did not have that reported and so

2379
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:50,239
started around 15 and we got it down to

2380
01:21:50,239 --> 01:21:51,679
10. But basically some of them don't

2381
01:21:51,679 --> 01:21:52,800
count. Some of them are real estate

2382
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:54,000
transactions or some of them are

2383
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:55,600
something that's going to be like a

2384
01:21:55,600 --> 01:21:57,360
vehicle that's going to be advertised.

2385
01:21:57,360 --> 01:21:59,199
those those don't count. Uh we had one

2386
01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:00,560
that said, "Don't worry about just count

2387
01:22:00,560 --> 01:22:02,159
them all unqualified. We don't we don't

2388
01:22:02,159 --> 01:22:03,760
care. We're all unqualified. We don't

2389
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:05,360
have a process with our leadership to do

2390
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:09,040
this, etc., etc." So, um this year, this

2391
01:22:09,040 --> 01:22:11,840
is what the amount is. Uh altogether,

2392
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:14,560
there's four transactions um that are

2393
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:17,920
being asked to um be approved above the

2394
01:22:17,920 --> 01:22:19,520
5,000 to be counted towards qualifying

2395
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:21,760
expenditures. Altogether, this dollar

2396
01:22:21,760 --> 01:22:25,280
amount is uh uh $1,651

2397
01:22:25,280 --> 01:22:30,320
and $517, sorry. So, it's basically 1.6

2398
01:22:30,320 --> 01:22:32,960
is what they're asking for. Um last

2399
01:22:32,960 --> 01:22:34,880
year, uh you approved three

2400
01:22:34,880 --> 01:22:37,600
organizations and that amount was 1.3

2401
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,400
million. It's 1,363

2402
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:44,400
627 and the difference Cody is

2403
01:22:44,400 --> 01:22:46,960
>> 287,000.

2404
01:22:46,960 --> 01:22:49,199
>> That's what the difference is here. So

2405
01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:51,920
last year's um were three that were

2406
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:53,920
repeat transactions that we've approved

2407
01:22:53,920 --> 01:22:55,440
since I've been here. I've never seen a

2408
01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:56,880
different than that. Always sees three.

2409
01:22:56,880 --> 01:22:59,040
One fell off, which is amazing. One of

2410
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:00,480
the granties bought their own building.

2411
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:02,159
You probably know who it is. And there

2412
01:23:02,159 --> 01:23:03,760
was able to fall off and so they had had

2413
01:23:03,760 --> 01:23:05,440
some discount rant from a board member,

2414
01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:07,840
but theirs go off. And then um again

2415
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:09,520
this year with us asking this question

2416
01:23:09,520 --> 01:23:11,840
up front, we got way more responses

2417
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:13,440
people doing this. Matt's very happy.

2418
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:15,199
Matt does want related parties disclosed

2419
01:23:15,199 --> 01:23:17,280
whether it's under or above or whether

2420
01:23:17,280 --> 01:23:19,120
they want to count it or not. He wants

2421
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:20,639
them listed because he wants them

2422
01:23:20,639 --> 01:23:24,960
clearly not to be un in the qualified if

2423
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:26,800
they're really unqualified. He doesn't

2424
01:23:26,800 --> 01:23:30,080
want things us board the taxpayer paying

2425
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,199
for um ones that aren't approved by the

2426
01:23:33,199 --> 01:23:35,199
board as qualified. Does that make sense

2427
01:23:35,199 --> 01:23:37,600
in their QES? And so it was good. And so

2428
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:39,199
Tori and I and Cody are going to do some

2429
01:23:39,199 --> 01:23:40,400
things next year to bring this up more

2430
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:42,000
that we want more of these disclosed. We

2431
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,199
want to know about them. and the board

2432
01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:45,360
needs to be understanding them. Um, and

2433
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:46,800
so that was a learning experience. So

2434
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:48,320
even though we didn't love that missing

2435
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:50,159
it on the application, we all learned a

2436
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:52,719
ton unfortunately unfortunately. Do you

2437
01:23:52,719 --> 01:23:54,560
have anything to laugh? Okay, [laughter]

2438
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:57,120
so there's four this year. Again, uh,

2439
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,040
what we typically do is we just um, I

2440
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:00,960
just let you know by the summaries right

2441
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,440
here that we have. Redbute Garden is a

2442
01:24:03,440 --> 01:24:05,199
new one. Again, they were great to work

2443
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:07,120
with. Uh, Tori asked them some follow-up

2444
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:08,719
questions and they had it. It's it's not

2445
01:24:08,719 --> 01:24:10,639
very much money. Um, you can see what

2446
01:24:10,639 --> 01:24:12,400
it's for. A lot of times it's under

2447
01:24:12,400 --> 01:24:14,000
marketing and commban to be honest with

2448
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:15,520
you. That's the most most common ones

2449
01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:18,400
that we've seen so far. And you can see

2450
01:24:18,400 --> 01:24:21,520
that um that they were able to uh get

2451
01:24:21,520 --> 01:24:25,199
approval through um leadership um and

2452
01:24:25,199 --> 01:24:27,199
then they have that they imposed the

2453
01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:28,320
University of Utah's conflict of

2454
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:29,920
interest policy. So this is above board

2455
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,239
the university knows about it. Um and so

2456
01:24:32,239 --> 01:24:34,320
this one was kind of a no-brainer and so

2457
01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,239
um my recommendation to staff is to

2458
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:37,920
allow Do you have any comments on this

2459
01:24:37,920 --> 01:24:39,840
one?

2460
01:24:39,840 --> 01:24:43,040
me me. No, I I do remember um a few

2461
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,600
years ago that this this is a similar

2462
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:47,520
thing to a few years ago and it was

2463
01:24:47,520 --> 01:24:50,880
allowed by the board as well. Um so if

2464
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:52,239
you know if you decide you allow it or

2465
01:24:52,239 --> 01:24:54,239
not, they just basically said this you

2466
01:24:54,239 --> 01:24:55,760
know we've been with this vendor for a

2467
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,520
while and so you know that just because

2468
01:24:57,520 --> 01:24:58,960
it came on the board doesn't mean now we

2469
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:00,800
don't want that vendor. That that's in

2470
01:25:00,800 --> 01:25:02,320
the past but this is very similar to

2471
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:03,600
that and it might even be the same

2472
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,159
company. So that's just from my

2473
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:08,719
recollection on that. But um this is for

2474
01:25:08,719 --> 01:25:10,400
like they said sprinting, what is it?

2475
01:25:10,400 --> 01:25:12,000
Graphic designed, you know, and that

2476
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:14,719
kind of thing. So

2477
01:25:14,719 --> 01:25:16,320
>> the next one is a repeat transaction.

2478
01:25:16,320 --> 01:25:18,480
This has been here since inside before

2479
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:23,040
my time. Um and so this is something

2480
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,360
video.

2481
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,840
>> Um and so it is a family member, but

2482
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,560
it's above board and they again have the

2483
01:25:30,560 --> 01:25:32,159
university purchasing process that they

2484
01:25:32,159 --> 01:25:33,520
go through and they did go through for

2485
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:36,800
this. Um, and then, um, the contract

2486
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,320
actually runs through 29. So, clearly

2487
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:39,840
the university knows this is going on

2488
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,520
and this continues to go on. So, this

2489
01:25:41,520 --> 01:25:43,119
was kind of a no-brainer as well.

2490
01:25:43,119 --> 01:25:45,199
[snorts] It's a repeat and it has the

2491
01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:47,199
backing of the essentially sort of, you

2492
01:25:47,199 --> 01:25:49,280
could say, the university's knowledge um

2493
01:25:49,280 --> 01:25:51,920
through the contract process. S25. Um,

2494
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:53,760
again, um, I recommended that be

2495
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:57,120
allowed. Um, did you have any questions

2496
01:25:57,120 --> 01:25:58,320
or comments on that one? That's a

2497
01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,639
repeat, so probably not, but

2498
01:26:00,639 --> 01:26:01,920
>> no.

2499
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:04,080
>> Uh, the symphonies, this is a repeat. I

2500
01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:05,520
think this one's been here longer than

2501
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:07,120
me, but I I can't quite remember when

2502
01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,040
this one came on. They're just asking

2503
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:11,040
for the cash portion. They have a

2504
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:15,120
relationship with um a a firm, a larger

2505
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:16,880
firm, the marketing communications firm

2506
01:26:16,880 --> 01:26:19,760
here in town. Um and uh they did the

2507
01:26:19,760 --> 01:26:21,280
whole process internally about conflict

2508
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:22,480
of interest. They always provide us

2509
01:26:22,480 --> 01:26:24,800
extra extra proof. I know Tori sees more

2510
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:26,080
of proof than we do, but they always

2511
01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:27,679
provide tons of proof to her about board

2512
01:26:27,679 --> 01:26:29,679
minutes have approved it and all those

2513
01:26:29,679 --> 01:26:30,480
kinds of things.

2514
01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:32,719
>> This is a board members business, right?

2515
01:26:32,719 --> 01:26:35,040
Uh it's relationship

2516
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:36,960
>> works form. Yeah. Let me see.

2517
01:26:36,960 --> 01:26:39,520
>> Yeah. Um and so this one again has been

2518
01:26:39,520 --> 01:26:41,120
here for a minute. Um it's about the

2519
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:42,880
same as it was last year. It's just the

2520
01:26:42,880 --> 01:26:44,000
cash portion. Did you want to add

2521
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:45,520
anything since this is the largest one?

2522
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:48,880
Did you want to add anything that they always provide extra information to

2523
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:49,760
us?

2524
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:51,840
Well, what they had said is the board

2525
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,520
trustee does not actively work in the

2526
01:26:53,520 --> 01:26:55,440
organization's account and the majority

2527
01:26:55,440 --> 01:26:57,840
of advertising dollars merely passed

2528
01:26:57,840 --> 01:26:59,199
through the advertising company to the

2529
01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:01,040
advertising medium and management has

2530
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:02,320
determined that the purchases were

2531
01:27:02,320 --> 01:27:03,920
conducted at arms length which is kind

2532
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:06,239
of like third party. Um, and they did

2533
01:27:06,239 --> 01:27:08,000
provide copies of the ethical code of

2534
01:27:08,000 --> 01:27:10,080
conduct conflict of interest signed by

2535
01:27:10,080 --> 01:27:14,320
the board member and uh I think that was

2536
01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:17,120
it. So, as it as it pointed out here,

2537
01:27:17,120 --> 01:27:20,320
the total is 1,696,000,

2538
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:22,800
but 113,000 of that is in kind. So, it's

2539
01:27:22,800 --> 01:27:25,440
automatically disallowed on another line

2540
01:27:25,440 --> 01:27:28,080
item for incind expenses. So, it is as

2541
01:27:28,080 --> 01:27:31,120
Samantha said, is it okay to dis allow

2542
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:34,239
or disallow the 1,583,000

2543
01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:36,480
that's left over? That's the cash. So,

2544
01:27:36,480 --> 01:27:37,920
basically saying he's not involved in

2545
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:39,760
it. you know, he works for him. He's not

2546
01:27:39,760 --> 01:27:41,280
involved with that and it just passes

2547
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:43,840
through and

2548
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:45,840
>> that's there and and the board's aware

2549
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:47,280
of it. He signed a conflict of interest

2550
01:27:47,280 --> 01:27:49,760
statement. So,

2551
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:51,520
>> recommending that that be allowed. This

2552
01:27:51,520 --> 01:27:52,880
is a new one that we discovered again

2553
01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,239
this year when we did the questions that

2554
01:27:54,239 --> 01:27:56,639
wasn't in the Q originally.

2555
01:27:56,639 --> 01:27:59,360
>> Um, but this is a new one and um they

2556
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,520
actually have this in their um employee

2557
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:03,360
manual that talks about conflicts and

2558
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:04,639
how those conflicts are handled if

2559
01:28:04,639 --> 01:28:07,360
there's a relationship. Um, and so these

2560
01:28:07,360 --> 01:28:09,600
have a few different smaller ones, but

2561
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,360
um, you can see the organization. They

2562
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:12,639
do a lot of things for brief, so you

2563
01:28:12,639 --> 01:28:14,320
could only imagine it. But, um,

2564
01:28:14,320 --> 01:28:15,760
everything we looked at and reviewed

2565
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,080
regarding it, um, that the family member

2566
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:19,679
wasn't involved. It was fair market

2567
01:28:19,679 --> 01:28:21,920
value. It was reasonably priced. Again,

2568
01:28:21,920 --> 01:28:23,760
this is, while these are all smaller, it

2569
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:27,360
does add up to the 31 283. Um, I

2570
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:29,040
recommended it be allowed. Tori, do you

2571
01:28:29,040 --> 01:28:30,239
want to make a comment since this is a

2572
01:28:30,239 --> 01:28:31,440
new one?

2573
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:33,840
>> Uh, no. I just just like you were saying

2574
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:35,199
that sometimes it's owned by a family

2575
01:28:35,199 --> 01:28:37,280
member of a staff member or owned by a

2576
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,040
staff member like the the catering

2577
01:28:39,040 --> 01:28:40,719
services or and one of them was a board

2578
01:28:40,719 --> 01:28:41,920
member but I think you said that too

2579
01:28:41,920 --> 01:28:44,080
they've recused themselves from that and

2580
01:28:44,080 --> 01:28:46,000
there's some kind of a authority where

2581
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,760
you don't have supervised responsibility

2582
01:28:47,760 --> 01:28:49,760
over another family member or related a

2583
01:28:49,760 --> 01:28:52,000
party. So they do have some something

2584
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,400
like that in place and they and they

2585
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:56,239
also said I think they said um it was

2586
01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:58,320
all at fair market value at competitive

2587
01:28:58,320 --> 01:29:00,880
and reasonable prices and that the uh

2588
01:29:00,880 --> 01:29:04,000
let's see and that they identify them I

2589
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:06,080
think through board members. So I think

2590
01:29:06,080 --> 01:29:09,600
that the board's aware of it and

2591
01:29:09,600 --> 01:29:11,440
through their policy they you know there

2592
01:29:11,440 --> 01:29:13,199
there's not conflicting like a staff

2593
01:29:13,199 --> 01:29:15,920
member is not overseeing that particular

2594
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:19,120
staff member's services.

2595
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:21,760
So

2596
01:29:21,760 --> 01:29:24,239
Um, other questions about related party

2597
01:29:24,239 --> 01:29:25,600
transactions. Again, the reason we're

2598
01:29:25,600 --> 01:29:27,840
looking at these is is uh it would be

2599
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:29,120
counted towards their qualifying

2600
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,679
expenditures, but you will go once you

2601
01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:33,600
vote, she goes back and recalculates and

2602
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:35,520
adds that stuff to the end,

2603
01:29:35,520 --> 01:29:36,080
>> right?

2604
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:37,600
>> Depending on if you allow or disallow.

2605
01:29:37,600 --> 01:29:39,600
Typically, the vote is a motion is for

2606
01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,040
all four at one time. That's what you've

2607
01:29:41,040 --> 01:29:43,679
asked for. Um, so I'll just leave it up

2608
01:29:43,679 --> 01:29:44,239
to

2609
01:29:44,239 --> 01:29:47,040
>> Yep. Um, Mr. Sure. I'm going to motion

2610
01:29:47,040 --> 01:29:50,400
that we approve all four related party

2611
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,040
transactions as recommended by staff.

2612
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,920
>> Do we have a second?

2613
01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,800
>> Okay, everybody agree?

2614
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:00,000
>> I say I.

2615
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:00,480
>> Okay.

2616
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:03,040
>> Any uh opposition to it?

2617
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:05,840
>> No. Okay, it's approved.

2618
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:06,239
>> Great.

2619
01:30:06,239 --> 01:30:09,840
>> Good. Okay, that makes that easy. And it's good, too. I like that because

2620
01:30:09,840 --> 01:30:11,360
I mean, we didn't really address this,

2621
01:30:11,360 --> 01:30:13,040
but related party transactions aren't

2622
01:30:13,040 --> 01:30:15,360
necessarily a bad thing. they they want

2623
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:16,960
to point it out always disclose because

2624
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:19,040
a lot of times the related parties are

2625
01:30:19,040 --> 01:30:20,560
getting favorable things hurting the

2626
01:30:20,560 --> 01:30:22,000
organization you know I mean that's why

2627
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:24,400
it's a disclosure even even in non not

2628
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:26,000
nonprofits and for-profit you know

2629
01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:28,239
that's a it's a big disclosure we still

2630
01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:30,639
have to disclose any I'm doing a review

2631
01:30:30,639 --> 01:30:32,400
right now we have to disclose you know

2632
01:30:32,400 --> 01:30:33,920
how with the notes with them the

2633
01:30:33,920 --> 01:30:35,120
interest we paid to them and all that

2634
01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:36,880
kind of stuff but a lot of times it's

2635
01:30:36,880 --> 01:30:38,639
because and this is back from old

2636
01:30:38,639 --> 01:30:40,400
government work you know like rent might

2637
01:30:40,400 --> 01:30:42,480
be overcharged you know userious

2638
01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:44,880
basically and so that's what they want

2639
01:30:44,880 --> 01:30:46,159
to be careful about. But when they're

2640
01:30:46,159 --> 01:30:47,520
when they claim that they're arms length

2641
01:30:47,520 --> 01:30:48,960
and related to part transactions a lot

2642
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:50,880
of times benefit the organization. So

2643
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:52,480
there's a lot of times positive things

2644
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:54,560
too. So anyway, so that that's just good

2645
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:58,000
to know. And I and they did go so far

2646
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:00,320
this year too to say the board was aware

2647
01:31:00,320 --> 01:31:02,320
we think it's fair market value and and

2648
01:31:02,320 --> 01:31:04,400
so you know they're not benefiting off

2649
01:31:04,400 --> 01:31:08,480
of this. So I think that makes sense. So

2650
01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:09,840
anyway, so that's just something with

2651
01:31:09,840 --> 01:31:11,679
regulated parties. It's not always a bad

2652
01:31:11,679 --> 01:31:13,760
connotation. Sometimes it's a positive.

2653
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:14,800
So,

2654
01:31:14,800 --> 01:31:16,639
>> I like it. And I think from your vote,

2655
01:31:16,639 --> 01:31:17,760
right, you're looking at them as

2656
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:19,199
positive. So, I'm going to go ahead and

2657
01:31:19,199 --> 01:31:20,960
update all the checklists and if they

2658
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,360
report it, I'll take it off and allow

2659
01:31:23,360 --> 01:31:25,360
it. And uh we'll just keep it that way

2660
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:27,520
except for that one theater or that one

2661
01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:30,000
um that one organization that wanted to

2662
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:32,320
leave it on. So,

2663
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:35,360
I think that's clear. Thank you.

2664
01:31:35,360 --> 01:31:37,280
>> Other questions before Tori departs

2665
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:38,719
before we get into our reviews related

2666
01:31:38,719 --> 01:31:41,840
to reviews that could be helpful?

2667
01:31:41,840 --> 01:31:43,600
She usually does stay on tune, so if I

2668
01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:44,960
have to message her or call her on the

2669
01:31:44,960 --> 01:31:46,080
side, I can. We've never done that, but

2670
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:47,440
again, she's always lets us know that

2671
01:31:47,440 --> 01:31:49,679
she's available for us all day during

2672
01:31:49,679 --> 01:31:51,600
all day reviews if we do get into some

2673
01:31:51,600 --> 01:31:53,360
sort of snare on a financial related

2674
01:31:53,360 --> 01:31:55,440
issue. Tori, do you have any departing

2675
01:31:55,440 --> 01:31:57,280
words or anything that you'd like to

2676
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:59,040
share? I'm guessing not, but I'd like to

2677
01:31:59,040 --> 01:32:00,239
give you a chance.

2678
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:02,239
>> No, I think I think that was all we

2679
01:32:02,239 --> 01:32:05,520
needed. That's all I

2680
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:07,360
Thank you. Good questions, guys. Good

2681
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:09,199
questions. So, all right. Let me know if

2682
01:32:09,199 --> 01:32:11,679
you need anything. All right.

2683
01:32:11,679 --> 01:32:13,280
Byebye.

2684
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:16,239
Mr. Chair, I I wonder if five minute

2685
01:32:16,239 --> 01:32:17,679
>> bio break would be okay.

2686
01:32:17,679 --> 01:32:20,480
>> People would like go ahead

2687
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:22,800
try to come back here in 5 minutes.

2688
01:32:22,800 --> 01:39:13,910
We're on fine.

2689
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:15,520
all the time. It's not.

2690
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:20,960
>> So, we're we're going to uh get onto the meat of today's agenda with respect

2691
01:39:20,960 --> 01:39:24,080
to the various reviews. I think um my

2692
01:39:24,080 --> 01:39:25,679
understanding is we're we're going to

2693
01:39:25,679 --> 01:39:29,280
probably get to one or so applicants. Uh

2694
01:39:29,280 --> 01:39:31,199
there's a photographer setting up so

2695
01:39:31,199 --> 01:39:33,199
we'll get our photography or pictures

2696
01:39:33,199 --> 01:39:35,520
taken. So we'll stop with that and then

2697
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:39,360
have a little bit longer lunch break. Uh

2698
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:42,880
anybody have a objection to that motion?

2699
01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:44,880
So probably take the next five 10

2700
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:47,280
minutes to to start the review. So I'll

2701
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:49,119
just follow this Samantha.

2702
01:39:49,119 --> 01:39:49,760
>> Oh.

2703
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:52,560
you want us. Okay. So you follow

2704
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:54,480
>> Oh. Yeah. Yes. I think we have about a

2705
01:39:54,480 --> 01:39:56,719
couple talking points here, don't we?

2706
01:39:56,719 --> 01:39:58,159
>> Okay. So just a reminder, eight minutes

2707
01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:00,800
for applicant, uh 3 minutes for the lead

2708
01:40:00,800 --> 01:40:03,520
review or 5 minutes for discussion.

2709
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:05,119
And if the cards don't tell you, he's

2710
01:40:05,119 --> 01:40:06,480
very transparent. So his face will tell

2711
01:40:06,480 --> 01:40:08,320
you. I'm telling you now. This guy is

2712
01:40:08,320 --> 01:40:10,400
very transparent. Um so just remember,

2713
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:12,320
we've already captured your thoughts. So

2714
01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:14,560
the discussions things not yet captured

2715
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:16,320
that Dustin can put in his notes and

2716
01:40:16,320 --> 01:40:18,400
this for a good discussion. Um again,

2717
01:40:18,400 --> 01:40:20,639
remember they're all eligible.

2718
01:40:20,639 --> 01:40:25,760
Um I think that's it. I think Mr. chair.

2719
01:40:25,760 --> 01:40:27,360
There's just a couple bullet points for

2720
01:40:27,360 --> 01:40:28,960
you, but I think I said them sort of.

2721
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:30,400
So, maybe we're maybe we're

2722
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:32,560
>> I think she appropriated my opportunity

2723
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:35,910
to [laughter]

2724
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:39,119
» So, uh, dance is first.

2725
01:40:39,119 --> 01:40:41,920
>> Um, ballet west is the first one. And I

2726
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:43,760
believe that's Amy's

2727
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:46,320
>> Oh, the honorable Amy, her first

2728
01:40:46,320 --> 01:40:47,119
presentation.

2729
01:40:47,119 --> 01:40:47,760
>> Oh, boy.

2730
01:40:47,760 --> 01:40:50,080
>> Set the tone, please.

2731
01:40:50,080 --> 01:40:53,040
>> Try, you know, I could read all of the

2732
01:40:53,040 --> 01:40:56,000
really impressive things. Uh, I'm just

2733
01:40:56,000 --> 01:40:59,040
gonna share a couple little stories.

2734
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:02,880
I'm new to Utah, so had never been to

2735
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:05,520
Ballet West and I really wanted to go to

2736
01:41:05,520 --> 01:41:08,159
Capitol Theater, so I went on my own

2737
01:41:08,159 --> 01:41:13,040
just to see uh Westside Story and it was

2738
01:41:13,040 --> 01:41:15,679
just magical. Uh, it was a great

2739
01:41:15,679 --> 01:41:18,560
introduction to

2740
01:41:18,560 --> 01:41:21,679
experiencing these organizations and um

2741
01:41:21,679 --> 01:41:24,560
I parked a little bit far away so um

2742
01:41:24,560 --> 01:41:26,560
thought it'd be great to wear my new

2743
01:41:26,560 --> 01:41:28,639
little ballet shoes to go with my little

2744
01:41:28,639 --> 01:41:31,679
outfit and go in there and um course

2745
01:41:31,679 --> 01:41:33,840
they did not work well on the way back

2746
01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:36,000
to the car. So I ended up needing

2747
01:41:36,000 --> 01:41:37,920
band-aids when I got home and those kind

2748
01:41:37,920 --> 01:41:41,840
of shoes I need to other than that uh

2749
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,159
just seeing them perform chatting with

2750
01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:46,800
the people on either side of me. One

2751
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:51,360
woman was doing the six program gets $20

2752
01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:53,679
a program she and her husband. So I

2753
01:41:53,679 --> 01:41:54,800
thought, "Wow, that's that's

2754
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:56,880
accessible." And then on the other side

2755
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:58,960
of me was someone that had a family

2756
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:01,040
member that was in the orchestra. So I

2757
01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:04,320
chatted with her,

2758
01:42:04,320 --> 01:42:07,280
went for my review after having just

2759
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:10,880
read the application and

2760
01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:14,239
got out my initial questions because I'd

2761
01:42:14,239 --> 01:42:16,639
only experienced ballet from a

2762
01:42:16,639 --> 01:42:18,719
nutcracker with my kids in Pittsburgh

2763
01:42:18,719 --> 01:42:21,360
kind of thing. So I I got to ask a lot

2764
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:24,560
of questions about just um when you see

2765
01:42:24,560 --> 01:42:27,520
the two top people, how does that

2766
01:42:27,520 --> 01:42:30,560
interaction work between artistic and

2767
01:42:30,560 --> 01:42:34,320
running a ballet company and how do you

2768
01:42:34,320 --> 01:42:36,400
protect the dancers from too much

2769
01:42:36,400 --> 01:42:38,800
pressure and how to take care of their

2770
01:42:38,800 --> 01:42:41,920
emotional health? So, I got a lot of

2771
01:42:41,920 --> 01:42:44,880
really helpful information about that

2772
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:49,360
and and then I got a tour and I was just

2773
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:54,400
blown away by complexity of it. The to

2774
01:42:54,400 --> 01:42:56,721
see what the shoe locker is alone.

2775
01:42:56,721 --> 01:42:58,400
[laughter] What goes into that? It's

2776
01:42:58,400 --> 01:43:00,560
like a mail room. And I don't know if

2777
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:03,199
you've all seen it or not, but each

2778
01:43:03,199 --> 01:43:05,440
performance

2779
01:43:05,440 --> 01:43:07,520
each in the back looks like a Tupperware

2780
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:10,960
container with all that person that

2781
01:43:10,960 --> 01:43:12,639
dancers shoes for different

2782
01:43:12,639 --> 01:43:14,719
performances. And then someone actually

2783
01:43:14,719 --> 01:43:17,679
works behind a screen that opens up and

2784
01:43:17,679 --> 01:43:19,760
then there's little cubbies that they

2785
01:43:19,760 --> 01:43:23,040
put the shoes for that performance out.

2786
01:43:23,040 --> 01:43:28,950
and um got to see the costume room.

2787
01:43:28,960 --> 01:43:32,159
What a warm vibe of from the leadership

2788
01:43:32,159 --> 01:43:34,400
to all of the people that are there down

2789
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:40,159
to uh just administrative people in the

2790
01:43:40,159 --> 01:43:43,760
um that are there for education classes.

2791
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:45,199
And that's what made me think of the

2792
01:43:45,199 --> 01:43:47,760
empowerment word because I just I just

2793
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:50,239
thought this is a team and everyone's

2794
01:43:50,239 --> 01:43:51,920
working together to make this happen

2795
01:43:51,920 --> 01:43:54,239
behind the scenes. So it's kind of like

2796
01:43:54,239 --> 01:43:56,400
an iceberg. What you see on the stage is

2797
01:43:56,400 --> 01:43:59,600
just very small part of what actually

2798
01:43:59,600 --> 01:44:01,840
happens. So I felt really it was great

2799
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:03,199
to see that from a new perspective

2800
01:44:03,199 --> 01:44:04,719
having never seen anything like that

2801
01:44:04,719 --> 01:44:08,719
before. So that's that's my comments. I

2802
01:44:08,719 --> 01:44:12,080
gave I am I supposed to tell you my

2803
01:44:12,080 --> 01:44:14,400
scores or is that not

2804
01:44:14,400 --> 01:44:17,040
>> maybe you can pass it on to Yeah. So

2805
01:44:17,040 --> 01:44:17,920
>> discussion at this point.

2806
01:44:17,920 --> 01:44:19,520
>> Yeah. It was just and I did get to see

2807
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:21,199
the choreography.

2808
01:44:21,199 --> 01:44:23,920
I went to see uh got to see some of the

2809
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:27,760
other dance programs work with Blu their

2810
01:44:27,760 --> 01:44:30,560
partnerships. My goodness. Yes. So

2811
01:44:30,560 --> 01:44:33,360
amazing.

2812
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:34,639
>> Thank you. Does anybody have any

2813
01:44:34,639 --> 01:44:37,440
questions for her or discussion points?

2814
01:44:37,440 --> 01:44:39,679
>> No. Like I didn't know about that $20

2815
01:44:39,679 --> 01:44:44,880
the the program because I know people I go to Gway West [clears throat] that's

2816
01:44:44,880 --> 01:44:47,199
often played out by people so expensive

2817
01:44:47,199 --> 01:44:51,280
and it's out of my price point you know

2818
01:44:51,280 --> 01:44:51,679
to

2819
01:44:51,679 --> 01:44:53,967
>> Right. Yeah. I think it's a six to

2820
01:44:53,967 --> 01:44:55,119
[clears throat] confirm that but I think

2821
01:44:55,119 --> 01:44:57,119
it's a six

2822
01:44:57,119 --> 01:44:58,159
event.

2823
01:44:58,159 --> 01:45:01,040
>> So it's like a tax.

2824
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:04,159
So, I I'll add I reviewed them last year

2825
01:45:04,159 --> 01:45:06,159
and I was really impressed with the

2826
01:45:06,159 --> 01:45:08,159
business acumen that they demonstrated

2827
01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:10,800
in terms of u I think they're about the

2828
01:45:10,800 --> 01:45:13,360
best in terms of analytics and

2829
01:45:13,360 --> 01:45:14,960
understanding

2830
01:45:14,960 --> 01:45:18,320
um ticket pricing, how to fill seats and

2831
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:19,920
that packaging that you're talking

2832
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:21,119
about. They have a whole bunch of

2833
01:45:21,119 --> 01:45:23,360
different kinds of programs to maximize

2834
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:27,360
the seating attendance. And um I think I

2835
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:31,040
reported last year that they had

2836
01:45:31,040 --> 01:45:34,639
between three and sixx revenue growth

2837
01:45:34,639 --> 01:45:36,000
since the pandemic.

2838
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:36,400
>> Yeah.

2839
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:39,040
>> Which speaks well to their ability to

2840
01:45:39,040 --> 01:45:40,080
earn revenue,

2841
01:45:40,080 --> 01:45:40,400
>> right?

2842
01:45:40,400 --> 01:45:44,159
>> To provide a an artistic offering. It's

2843
01:45:44,159 --> 01:45:45,440
just tremendous is what they've been

2844
01:45:45,440 --> 01:45:47,360
able to do. And I think it's an example

2845
01:45:47,360 --> 01:45:49,040
for other tier ones to be able to do.

2846
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:50,480
>> I thought of that as well. I mean, I'd

2847
01:45:50,480 --> 01:45:53,360
be tempted to say, well,

2848
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:55,360
you want to have a pinnacle organization

2849
01:45:55,360 --> 01:45:59,679
like that for everyone to to emulate.

2850
01:45:59,679 --> 01:46:00,719
So

2851
01:46:00,719 --> 01:46:02,560
>> yeah, but that word empowerment just

2852
01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:04,960
kept coming up too.

2853
01:46:04,960 --> 01:46:06,239
people that work there and the health

2854
01:46:06,239 --> 01:46:08,880
insurance coverage for the dancers PT

2855
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:11,520
availability for freeship

2856
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:13,840
within the you know just all the things

2857
01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:14,800
that they

2858
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:16,560
>> but as the weaknesses suggest here

2859
01:46:16,560 --> 01:46:18,159
there's still opportunities to improve

2860
01:46:18,159 --> 01:46:21,679
in terms of ticket pricing and so on but

2861
01:46:21,679 --> 01:46:24,639
uh

2862
01:46:24,639 --> 01:46:26,880
>> yeah I would like to see them be a

2863
01:46:26,880 --> 01:46:29,199
little bit more intentional like I feel

2864
01:46:29,199 --> 01:46:31,040
like they talk a good talk and they are

2865
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:32,800
trying to spread out but until they

2866
01:46:32,800 --> 01:46:35,280
really get that board representation

2867
01:46:35,280 --> 01:46:38,639
until they start putting um activities

2868
01:46:38,639 --> 01:46:40,560
and opportunities in underserved

2869
01:46:40,560 --> 01:46:43,840
communities like Hearns, like Midvale.

2870
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:45,600
There's there that is always going to be

2871
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:48,159
the weak link for them, that elitist

2872
01:46:48,159 --> 01:46:50,000
perception that they're not quite

2873
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:50,480
breaking.

2874
01:46:50,480 --> 01:46:53,360
>> I wanted to echo that. Um and I'll I'll

2875
01:46:53,360 --> 01:46:55,920
give my lens when I do my reviews and

2876
01:46:55,920 --> 01:46:58,560
then we can all circle back to that. But

2877
01:46:58,560 --> 01:47:00,239
um

2878
01:47:00,239 --> 01:47:03,040
uh what happens and this happens with

2879
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:05,040
the symphony too. They have some major

2880
01:47:05,040 --> 01:47:08,159
donors uh major donors that live in Park

2881
01:47:08,159 --> 01:47:10,159
City. B West does and they want

2882
01:47:10,159 --> 01:47:14,000
programming to go up there which can be

2883
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:17,440
a indirect diversion from focusing on

2884
01:47:17,440 --> 01:47:20,000
the Salt Lake County communities because

2885
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:22,000
they're kind they're influenced by some

2886
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:24,719
of these big donors and uh a group like

2887
01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:27,280
Ballet West and the Symphony and

2888
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:28,960
probably a couple others have some of

2889
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:30,880
the wealthiest philanthropists here in

2890
01:47:30,880 --> 01:47:33,040
Utah which influences a lot of their

2891
01:47:33,040 --> 01:47:35,440
programming. So this goes back to the

2892
01:47:35,440 --> 01:47:37,280
board representation which I don't think

2893
01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:39,040
has been emphasized Samantha in the past

2894
01:47:39,040 --> 01:47:41,040
so much in terms of covering the

2895
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:42,639
geographic districts. I think it's

2896
01:47:42,639 --> 01:47:44,400
possible but the intention hasn't been

2897
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:50,149
there because we focused on um

2898
01:47:50,159 --> 01:47:51,920
let be careful how I say this. We

2899
01:47:51,920 --> 01:47:54,320
focused on diversity in different ways a

2900
01:47:54,320 --> 01:47:56,239
few years ago. it wasn't really

2901
01:47:56,239 --> 01:47:59,440
geographic which you know from a

2902
01:47:59,440 --> 01:48:01,440
political and map standpoint it really

2903
01:48:01,440 --> 01:48:03,199
should be more geographic in terms of

2904
01:48:03,199 --> 01:48:04,719
repres and I think you'll get

2905
01:48:04,719 --> 01:48:05,760
>> and I think you'll get those

2906
01:48:05,760 --> 01:48:07,199
demographics

2907
01:48:07,199 --> 01:48:08,960
>> from different communities if you have a

2908
01:48:08,960 --> 01:48:11,440
board member from West Valley or down by

2909
01:48:11,440 --> 01:48:14,159
Haramman and so on and so forth

2910
01:48:14,159 --> 01:48:16,880
anybody else have

2911
01:48:16,880 --> 01:48:19,280
>> anybody disagree with the that's an

2912
01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:21,040
interesting anybody disagree with the

2913
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:22,159
scores of the

2914
01:48:22,159 --> 01:48:23,840
>> I'm glad you had such a great first

2915
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:26,800
experience Oh yeah. I just felt like I

2916
01:48:26,800 --> 01:48:28,800
had this secret window into how things

2917
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:33,280
work. You do. I had no idea that much

2918
01:48:33,280 --> 01:48:35,600
complexity of communication between all

2919
01:48:35,600 --> 01:48:37,440
the different departments have to

2920
01:48:37,440 --> 01:48:38,960
happen.

2921
01:48:38,960 --> 01:48:40,480
>> Well, they got the highest score out of

2922
01:48:40,480 --> 01:48:43,920
the whole kitten kaboodleoodle.

2923
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:46,080
>> Couple quick things. Um, sounds like we

2924
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:47,840
might be done with our discussion. Yeah.

2925
01:48:47,840 --> 01:48:49,280
Is 14.

2926
01:48:49,280 --> 01:48:50,239
>> I mean, does anybody want to change

2927
01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:51,199
anything? I'm always going to ask that

2928
01:48:51,199 --> 01:48:52,800
question for every single one. anything

2929
01:48:52,800 --> 01:48:54,719
changed in the system completion.

2930
01:48:54,719 --> 01:48:55,119
>> Oh,

2931
01:48:55,119 --> 01:48:58,239
>> so is this 14 where you're at? They need

2932
01:48:58,239 --> 01:48:59,600
to change anything based on the

2933
01:48:59,600 --> 01:49:00,880
discussion or the

2934
01:49:00,880 --> 01:49:01,760
>> Okay. [clears throat] Can Oh, yeah.

2935
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:03,360
That's a good Do people want to go back

2936
01:49:03,360 --> 01:49:05,040
and adjust?

2937
01:49:05,040 --> 01:49:06,560
>> If you want to, you can, but they did

2938
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:08,320
get the highest at 14. The highest you

2939
01:49:08,320 --> 01:49:09,520
can get is 16.

2940
01:49:09,520 --> 01:49:10,159
>> Correct.

2941
01:49:10,159 --> 01:49:11,119
>> Um,

2942
01:49:11,119 --> 01:49:13,280
>> four times four. That's how I figured it

2943
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:15,920
out. [laughter]

2944
01:49:15,920 --> 01:49:18,080
>> Um, back to that. and and they got their

2945
01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:20,320
full points for or no points for

2946
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:21,760
financial health test because you do

2947
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:23,600
good, you don't get me. But um so

2948
01:49:23,600 --> 01:49:24,719
everybody's cool with your scores or

2949
01:49:24,719 --> 01:49:25,440
something.

2950
01:49:25,440 --> 01:49:27,520
>> I'm just taking a look at it.

2951
01:49:27,520 --> 01:49:29,119
>> 14.

2952
01:49:29,119 --> 01:49:30,800
>> And the other thing too is when you know

2953
01:49:30,800 --> 01:49:33,679
this reflects I I said this in an email

2954
01:49:33,679 --> 01:49:35,679
to the group, the tier ones when we say

2955
01:49:35,679 --> 01:49:37,840
exceptional, there's always some room

2956
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:40,159
for improvement as far as each of the

2957
01:49:40,159 --> 01:49:42,400
categories. Correct. And we've

2958
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:44,000
identified some of that. So it's almost

2959
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:46,000
I in my mind it's almost impossible to

2960
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:49,199
get a perfect score you know of 16 and

2961
01:49:49,199 --> 01:49:50,880
when we say exceptional particularly

2962
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:52,800
compared to the tier twos they should be

2963
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:53,840
the standard.

2964
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:56,159
>> Yeah and we should be looking at it that

2965
01:49:56,159 --> 01:49:58,080
way. I think a lot of the organizations

2966
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:00,880
have it's possible I'm not saying for

2967
01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:02,960
sure have gotten complacent because year

2968
01:50:02,960 --> 01:50:05,280
after year they get the funding and

2969
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:07,679
they've been doing it for 30 years but

2970
01:50:07,679 --> 01:50:10,080
we need to keep elevating what that is

2971
01:50:10,080 --> 01:50:12,080
in terms of you know how I view this

2972
01:50:12,080 --> 01:50:14,080
anyway. So let me just see

2973
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:16,000
>> are these comments okay? I mean we'll

2974
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:17,760
add to based on the discussion you just

2975
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:19,760
had on what you shared as a legal viewer

2976
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:21,360
but if there's anything you want us to

2977
01:50:21,360 --> 01:50:24,719
strike or fix or adjust back

2978
01:50:24,719 --> 01:50:27,360
>> um I just wanted to talk about that

2979
01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:29,119
board comment that in the dis the

2980
01:50:29,119 --> 01:50:30,719
geographic

2981
01:50:30,719 --> 01:50:32,000
diversity in just one sec but I just

2982
01:50:32,000 --> 01:50:33,119
want to make sure we've got a few more

2983
01:50:33,119 --> 01:50:36,560
minutes Kelsey. Okay. So I want to

2984
01:50:36,560 --> 01:50:38,000
address to address that before we go on

2985
01:50:38,000 --> 01:50:39,119
to the next one because I think it was a

2986
01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:40,400
perfect example and way to get started

2987
01:50:40,400 --> 01:50:42,639
is we all talked about it for a second.

2988
01:50:42,639 --> 01:50:47,360
Um is board diversity um is in policy

2989
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:49,440
1031 which is kind of what runs us right

2990
01:50:49,440 --> 01:50:50,560
that's our our [clears throat] policy

2991
01:50:50,560 --> 01:50:53,840
that we work on that we operate from. Um

2992
01:50:53,840 --> 01:50:56,800
it is in there um as policy but practice

2993
01:50:56,800 --> 01:50:58,320
we still have to kind of figure that out

2994
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:00,719
how we can is it how do we incorporate

2995
01:51:00,719 --> 01:51:04,480
into scoring? How do we um help them?

2996
01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:06,719
Because it's it's an issue. Um when I

2997
01:51:06,719 --> 01:51:08,560
got here 5 years ago, I did do a tour. I

2998
01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:10,159
met with all the tier ones and

2999
01:51:10,159 --> 01:51:11,600
studentological executive directors and

3000
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:13,920
did tours right away. And the number one

3001
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:15,600
thing they shared was while we can

3002
01:51:15,600 --> 01:51:18,400
diversify um our programming and we can

3003
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:19,840
diversify our employees, our

3004
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:23,760
environment, outreach, our audience, the

3005
01:51:23,760 --> 01:51:25,199
board is the biggest struggle for us

3006
01:51:25,199 --> 01:51:27,520
because it's has financial ties and many

3007
01:51:27,520 --> 01:51:29,600
of those are decades and decades old

3008
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:32,800
older than Zap. Um,

3009
01:51:32,800 --> 01:51:35,679
uh, us as Zap and and Matt when he

3010
01:51:35,679 --> 01:51:38,239
recruits on his boards, we struggle just

3011
01:51:38,239 --> 01:51:39,840
like you mentioned earlier. We've got a

3012
01:51:39,840 --> 01:51:41,840
few more than one. We have seven

3013
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:42,960
members. We should only have one

3014
01:51:42,960 --> 01:51:44,800
duplicate. We've got like two duplicates

3015
01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:47,360
on the board. So, um, and we also know

3016
01:51:47,360 --> 01:51:50,080
it's a it's a it's an issue for not only

3017
01:51:50,080 --> 01:51:51,199
nonprofits and arts, but other

3018
01:51:51,199 --> 01:51:53,280
nonprofits and other people in the

3019
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:56,719
state. So, between seasons or cycles, we

3020
01:51:56,719 --> 01:51:58,159
would want to work on this. This is one

3021
01:51:58,159 --> 01:52:00,560
that we want to work on. We don't know

3022
01:52:00,560 --> 01:52:01,920
how to crack this nut. We don't know how

3023
01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:03,760
it fits into our mission. We don't quite

3024
01:52:03,760 --> 01:52:06,400
know, but it is in 1031. We do want to

3025
01:52:06,400 --> 01:52:08,480
pay attention to it. Um I think bringing

3026
01:52:08,480 --> 01:52:10,639
it up as the first just putting it in

3027
01:52:10,639 --> 01:52:12,400
writing is is a really good first step

3028
01:52:12,400 --> 01:52:14,159
just for them to know. This might be an

3029
01:52:14,159 --> 01:52:16,400
opportunity for us to offer a class.

3030
01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:17,520
We're also going to present to our

3031
01:52:17,520 --> 01:52:19,440
management. We have some slides that

3032
01:52:19,440 --> 01:52:20,719
were some of the data that I told you we

3033
01:52:20,719 --> 01:52:21,840
have that we haven't shared yet. We have

3034
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:24,159
to unpack it. But Cody's got some data

3035
01:52:24,159 --> 01:52:25,840
around council districts and who's got

3036
01:52:25,840 --> 01:52:28,159
where. Um we're seeing the tier twos

3037
01:52:28,159 --> 01:52:29,920
which was a little bit surprising to us

3038
01:52:29,920 --> 01:52:31,840
are almost in the same boat. That

3039
01:52:31,840 --> 01:52:33,679
surprised us to look at them together

3040
01:52:33,679 --> 01:52:35,199
like as a pool not like as individuals

3041
01:52:35,199 --> 01:52:37,280
but like as a pool even ones that you

3042
01:52:37,280 --> 01:52:38,639
like you have brought up which is really

3043
01:52:38,639 --> 01:52:40,320
important just the ones that even border

3044
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:42,952
or on the west side still struggle.

3045
01:52:42,952 --> 01:52:43,119
[clears throat]

3046
01:52:43,119 --> 01:52:45,199
>> Well I think it is the idea of how you

3047
01:52:45,199 --> 01:52:47,360
want to use your boards. So I will I'll

3048
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:49,679
fess up. I am the person who for every

3049
01:52:49,679 --> 01:52:52,000
single application made a note about

3050
01:52:52,000 --> 01:52:54,719
their success or their weakness on the

3051
01:52:54,719 --> 01:52:56,320
geographical representation of their

3052
01:52:56,320 --> 01:52:58,800
board because it is the very first step

3053
01:52:58,800 --> 01:53:01,199
in being intentional. You can have a

3054
01:53:01,199 --> 01:53:03,199
board that is exclusively a fiduciary,

3055
01:53:03,199 --> 01:53:05,119
but some of the best practices from our

3056
01:53:05,119 --> 01:53:06,800
other organizations then have been to

3057
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:09,119
create advisory boards that come from

3058
01:53:09,119 --> 01:53:11,360
community members who then those people

3059
01:53:11,360 --> 01:53:13,840
get an opportunity to contribute to the

3060
01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:16,480
decisions that that fiduciary fiduciary

3061
01:53:16,480 --> 01:53:18,560
board is going to be making. But there

3062
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:20,880
at least that community connection and

3063
01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:22,880
in our perspective that connection to

3064
01:53:22,880 --> 01:53:25,119
the taxpayer um and the people we're

3065
01:53:25,119 --> 01:53:27,040
trying to serve throughout the entire

3066
01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:29,520
community to get that voice heard. And

3067
01:53:29,520 --> 01:53:31,360
then a lot of times people are elevating

3068
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:34,320
from those advisory boards into their

3069
01:53:34,320 --> 01:53:36,480
board of trustees. So yeah, of course

3070
01:53:36,480 --> 01:53:38,320
the organization has to decide what they

3071
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:40,560
want the role of their board to be, but

3072
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:43,840
they can't eliminate opportunities for

3073
01:53:43,840 --> 01:53:46,400
people. Um I I don't think that they

3074
01:53:46,400 --> 01:53:48,719
should exclude people based solely on

3075
01:53:48,719 --> 01:53:50,400
their financial contribution. And we see

3076
01:53:50,400 --> 01:53:53,040
that a ton in our comments about when

3077
01:53:53,040 --> 01:53:55,920
you have a give or get of $25,000,

3078
01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:57,440
you're obviously not going to get

3079
01:53:57,440 --> 01:54:00,320
somebody from Karns. on your board and

3080
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:02,320
then you also don't want to indenture

3081
01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:04,000
people to their service by saying well

3082
01:54:04,000 --> 01:54:05,599
you can work it off if you can't just

3083
01:54:05,599 --> 01:54:07,679
give it right like that's a very

3084
01:54:07,679 --> 01:54:10,639
inequitable space too. So there are a

3085
01:54:10,639 --> 01:54:13,440
lot of best practices. Obviously our

3086
01:54:13,440 --> 01:54:15,920
dream boat over here who does everything

3087
01:54:15,920 --> 01:54:18,560
to provide so many fabulous services and

3088
01:54:18,560 --> 01:54:20,080
trainings that we hear about all the

3089
01:54:20,080 --> 01:54:22,639
time in our reviews, right? The things

3090
01:54:22,639 --> 01:54:25,440
staff has been doing to help. But yeah,

3091
01:54:25,440 --> 01:54:27,599
I just think it's the very first

3092
01:54:27,599 --> 01:54:29,840
intentional space.

3093
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:31,760
>> Well, I think there's room for that. I

3094
01:54:31,760 --> 01:54:36,320
you know, you're right. Some of these top organizations,

3095
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:38,239
the zoologicals for that matter, you

3096
01:54:38,239 --> 01:54:41,199
know, all the larger tier ones, they

3097
01:54:41,199 --> 01:54:43,520
have fairly significant financial

3098
01:54:43,520 --> 01:54:45,119
contributions they expect. Now, they're

3099
01:54:45,119 --> 01:54:47,280
willing to do some things in common, but

3100
01:54:47,280 --> 01:54:49,440
it does sort of set up an inequity in

3101
01:54:49,440 --> 01:54:51,679
terms of I I'm a secondass status if I'm

3102
01:54:51,679 --> 01:54:53,679
on the board. But there's another part

3103
01:54:53,679 --> 01:54:55,599
too, public engagement.

3104
01:54:55,599 --> 01:54:57,840
>> I I was and in my reviews the last

3105
01:54:57,840 --> 01:54:59,440
couple years, I would say to the tier

3106
01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:01,760
ones, are you working with the Murray

3107
01:55:01,760 --> 01:55:03,119
Arts Group? Are you working with

3108
01:55:03,119 --> 01:55:06,000
Taylor's? Are you trying to collaborate?

3109
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:08,239
Because if you don't have a board member

3110
01:55:08,239 --> 01:55:09,920
from one of those places, it's been a

3111
01:55:09,920 --> 01:55:12,080
little bit harder to connect to create

3112
01:55:12,080 --> 01:55:14,560
activities, which is, you know, we want

3113
01:55:14,560 --> 01:55:16,880
a thousand arts groups to blossom in the

3114
01:55:16,880 --> 01:55:18,560
county. That's I think part of the

3115
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:21,360
catalyst, the stimulus behind Zap, not

3116
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:24,000
just have all of the, you know, the

3117
01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:27,280
major exceptional groups in Scott and

3118
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:28,239
downtown Salt Lake.

3119
01:55:28,239 --> 01:55:28,800
>> Sure.

3120
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:30,159
>> But spreading that good. Do you mind if

3121
01:55:30,159 --> 01:55:31,920
I I'm going to off just for a second,

3122
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:33,199
but just know that's one we're going to

3123
01:55:33,199 --> 01:55:34,080
work on.

3124
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:35,920
>> It's in our policy. We have to figure

3125
01:55:35,920 --> 01:55:37,280
out how to put into our practice,

3126
01:55:37,280 --> 01:55:37,599
>> right?

3127
01:55:37,599 --> 01:55:39,199
>> Again, how does it go and scoring? But

3128
01:55:39,199 --> 01:55:40,960
again, we can't just demand it and not

3129
01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:42,480
try to help some support for it. Is that

3130
01:55:42,480 --> 01:55:43,679
something we work with Utah cultural

3131
01:55:43,679 --> 01:55:45,280
alliance with? Is it something Utah

3132
01:55:45,280 --> 01:55:47,679
nonprofits association with? Um how do

3133
01:55:47,679 --> 01:55:49,920
we try to help them not to penalize them

3134
01:55:49,920 --> 01:55:51,840
for it? Um could be introductions. Uh we

3135
01:55:51,840 --> 01:55:53,040
talked about doing some mingling with

3136
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:55,280
tier ones, matching them with tier twos

3137
01:55:55,280 --> 01:55:56,400
in the similar discipline, either the

3138
01:55:56,400 --> 01:55:57,920
same discipline or an adjacent one. can

3139
01:55:57,920 --> 01:55:59,520
do things together like dance and music

3140
01:55:59,520 --> 01:56:01,119
or something. And so we need to think

3141
01:56:01,119 --> 01:56:03,119
about ways that Zap can fit stay within

3142
01:56:03,119 --> 01:56:05,360
our scope of work, whether that's

3143
01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:06,800
through Kelsey's program or a bigger

3144
01:56:06,800 --> 01:56:09,360
thing that we do to ma make matchmaking

3145
01:56:09,360 --> 01:56:11,119
um to bring those together. But I do

3146
01:56:11,119 --> 01:56:12,239
like that it's written because we've

3147
01:56:12,239 --> 01:56:13,599
never had it written before and it

3148
01:56:13,599 --> 01:56:15,440
actually is in detail. It's not just a

3149
01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:17,679
like a blunt negative. It's like, hey,

3150
01:56:17,679 --> 01:56:20,000
this is a fact. And so I think that is a

3151
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:22,159
really good start. And so um

3152
01:56:22,159 --> 01:56:23,280
>> do we want to take a

3153
01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:25,119
>> Yeah. Are we ready to take a break for

3154
01:56:25,119 --> 01:56:26,320
the photography and then come back and

3155
01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:28,960
do reviews? He's a photographer, right?

3156
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:29,599
>> Anytime we are.

3157
01:56:29,599 --> 01:56:30,719
>> All right. Why don't we This is a good

3158
01:56:30,719 --> 02:14:03,430
pause. Thank you.

3159
02:14:03,440 --> 02:14:04,639
I have, you know,

3160
02:14:04,639 --> 02:14:06,639
>> okay, reparatory dance is up on the

3161
02:14:06,639 --> 02:14:09,440
screen. The lead reviewer is Andrea.

3162
02:14:09,440 --> 02:14:12,159
you've got three minutes.

3163
02:14:12,159 --> 02:14:14,159
>> This is page two of your your of your

3164
02:14:14,159 --> 02:14:15,760
packets. You have your packets open.

3165
02:14:15,760 --> 02:14:17,599
>> I will say your card to your friends if

3166
02:14:17,599 --> 02:14:19,840
you want to get out here on time at the

3167
02:14:19,840 --> 02:14:21,119
end of the day. the other ones. We're

3168
02:14:21,119 --> 02:14:25,108
keeping you until we're done. Okay. So,

3169
02:14:25,108 --> 02:14:27,270
[laughter]

3170
02:14:27,280 --> 02:14:28,800
» Andrea, the floor is yours.

3171
02:14:28,800 --> 02:14:32,960
>> All right. Sounds good. Um, so I got to

3172
02:14:32,960 --> 02:14:34,960
review reparatory dance theater. I was

3173
02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:38,960
impressed. They brought um Linda Smith,

3174
02:14:38,960 --> 02:14:40,960
who is kind of like in more of an

3175
02:14:40,960 --> 02:14:44,239
advising capacity, and then um they did

3176
02:14:44,239 --> 02:14:46,560
have, excuse me, I wrote it down.

3177
02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:48,239
Doesn't matter. but they have the the

3178
02:14:48,239 --> 02:14:50,159
two people that are taking over and

3179
02:14:50,159 --> 02:14:52,000
she's been slowly transitioning and

3180
02:14:52,000 --> 02:14:53,920
training them with all of her

3181
02:14:53,920 --> 02:14:56,320
institutional knowledge which is quite a

3182
02:14:56,320 --> 02:14:58,719
bit. She's kind of done it all, knows

3183
02:14:58,719 --> 02:15:00,560
everything, built it from the the ground

3184
02:15:00,560 --> 02:15:04,400
up. Um, and so it looks like the moving

3185
02:15:04,400 --> 02:15:05,760
forward the leadership [clears throat]

3186
02:15:05,760 --> 02:15:09,520
process and that is

3187
02:15:09,520 --> 02:15:12,639
more of a smooth transition over. Um, so

3188
02:15:12,639 --> 02:15:14,400
that's kind of the sense that I got. It

3189
02:15:14,400 --> 02:15:15,679
was nice that they brought two of the

3190
02:15:15,679 --> 02:15:18,960
dancers to the meeting and yes,

3191
02:15:18,960 --> 02:15:20,239
>> so it was nice to have their

3192
02:15:20,239 --> 02:15:22,159
perspective, their feedback. They also

3193
02:15:22,159 --> 02:15:23,199
included

3194
02:15:23,199 --> 02:15:25,679
>> I think three board members were present

3195
02:15:25,679 --> 02:15:28,480
at that meeting and I was impressed.

3196
02:15:28,480 --> 02:15:29,599
>> Um, [clears throat]

3197
02:15:29,599 --> 02:15:31,599
>> one of the board members is an educator.

3198
02:15:31,599 --> 02:15:33,840
He's a teacher. Um, so it was nice to

3199
02:15:33,840 --> 02:15:36,159
have I felt like

3200
02:15:36,159 --> 02:15:40,400
um his perspective was very uh valuable

3201
02:15:40,400 --> 02:15:43,920
and inclusive. You can tell as part

3202
02:15:43,920 --> 02:15:45,199
I didn't get to attend one of their

3203
02:15:45,199 --> 02:15:46,480
board meetings, but you can tell that he

3204
02:15:46,480 --> 02:15:48,719
was definitely respected and they they

3205
02:15:48,719 --> 02:15:51,520
take their board members input into the

3206
02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:53,040
conversation. So, I was really impressed

3207
02:15:53,040 --> 02:15:55,360
with that. I'm like, "Oh, they've got a

3208
02:15:55,360 --> 02:15:56,880
speaking of like kind of the diversity

3209
02:15:56,880 --> 02:15:58,880
part." They brought in an educator who

3210
02:15:58,880 --> 02:16:00,960
works with students who's kind of in the

3211
02:16:00,960 --> 02:16:03,520
community. He does teach at a private um

3212
02:16:03,520 --> 02:16:04,560
school, but I'm like, "Hey, you've got

3213
02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:06,159
an educator there." So, that's

3214
02:16:06,159 --> 02:16:09,119
wonderful, you know. Um I was really

3215
02:16:09,119 --> 02:16:11,199
impressed. They took me through a tour

3216
02:16:11,199 --> 02:16:13,760
through the whole space. Um they had at

3217
02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:15,440
that moment they had a workshop going on

3218
02:16:15,440 --> 02:16:17,679
for teachers in the summer that they

3219
02:16:17,679 --> 02:16:20,079
provide that they can take back to their

3220
02:16:20,079 --> 02:16:22,159
classrooms, public school classrooms and

3221
02:16:22,159 --> 02:16:24,800
integrate some movement and some of that

3222
02:16:24,800 --> 02:16:26,639
into their curriculum. So if they're

3223
02:16:26,639 --> 02:16:28,639
teaching math or shapes or whatever it

3224
02:16:28,639 --> 02:16:30,639
is, they integrate that movement and

3225
02:16:30,639 --> 02:16:32,880
help students have kind of a different

3226
02:16:32,880 --> 02:16:35,760
experience with the materials that

3227
02:16:35,760 --> 02:16:37,280
they're learning. So, I thought that was

3228
02:16:37,280 --> 02:16:39,200
really nice that they offered that to

3229
02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:40,880
teachers to do their continuing

3230
02:16:40,880 --> 02:16:42,719
education number one, but also providing

3231
02:16:42,719 --> 02:16:44,719
them with the tools and then giving the

3232
02:16:44,719 --> 02:16:46,800
students the opportunity to learn

3233
02:16:46,800 --> 02:16:49,599
something in a different

3234
02:16:49,599 --> 02:16:51,040
like learning math in a different kind

3235
02:16:51,040 --> 02:16:53,679
of a way that's more using your body in

3236
02:16:53,679 --> 02:16:56,000
space. So, I was really impressed with

3237
02:16:56,000 --> 02:16:58,960
that. Um,

3238
02:16:58,960 --> 02:17:00,800
uh, they really prepare their dancers

3239
02:17:00,800 --> 02:17:02,479
too. So, one of the dancers is an

3240
02:17:02,479 --> 02:17:04,000
existing dance member, one of them was a

3241
02:17:04,000 --> 02:17:06,559
leading

3242
02:17:06,559 --> 02:17:10,160
um dance um member and so she spoke

3243
02:17:10,160 --> 02:17:12,160
really strongly that they prepare them

3244
02:17:12,160 --> 02:17:14,000
not just in the dance world and provide

3245
02:17:14,000 --> 02:17:15,200
like the training and the physical

3246
02:17:15,200 --> 02:17:17,760
therapy and all of that but giving them

3247
02:17:17,760 --> 02:17:19,439
leadership opportunities that they can

3248
02:17:19,439 --> 02:17:21,760
then take and either use them and apply

3249
02:17:21,760 --> 02:17:23,439
them back to RDT whether they're hired

3250
02:17:23,439 --> 02:17:25,359
on in a different capacity or use them

3251
02:17:25,359 --> 02:17:27,599
in other [clears throat]

3252
02:17:27,599 --> 02:17:29,439
like in other areas of their per like

3253
02:17:29,439 --> 02:17:31,359
whatever they're choosing career-wise

3254
02:17:31,359 --> 02:17:33,840
could stay in dance or arts or just like

3255
02:17:33,840 --> 02:17:35,519
in a different employment

3256
02:17:35,519 --> 02:17:37,200
um opportunity. So I was really

3257
02:17:37,200 --> 02:17:40,559
impressed with that. Yeah.

3258
02:17:40,559 --> 02:17:41,439
>> Sorry.

3259
02:17:41,439 --> 02:17:46,240
>> No more to say, but anybody else or can

3260
02:17:46,240 --> 02:17:48,319
I one more? No.

3261
02:17:48,319 --> 02:17:50,319
>> What do they mean about the funding? How

3262
02:17:50,319 --> 02:17:52,240
are they approaching,

3263
02:17:52,240 --> 02:17:55,519
you know, ticket sales, so on?

3264
02:17:55,519 --> 02:17:58,639
>> So, we didn't really get into that much.

3265
02:17:58,639 --> 02:18:00,240
I think they're still trying to work on

3266
02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:01,920
that. I feel like their outreach could

3267
02:18:01,920 --> 02:18:04,399
be a little bit more

3268
02:18:04,399 --> 02:18:07,439
um visible. I feel like Ballet West does

3269
02:18:07,439 --> 02:18:09,120
a really I know it's not my

3270
02:18:09,120 --> 02:18:10,559
organization, but they've done a really

3271
02:18:10,559 --> 02:18:13,760
good job with their um outreach on

3272
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:15,200
social media and stuff like that. I feel

3273
02:18:15,200 --> 02:18:17,439
like they're very very visible and for

3274
02:18:17,439 --> 02:18:20,000
some reason I feel like they could be

3275
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:22,160
more visible in other areas maybe

3276
02:18:22,160 --> 02:18:23,840
incorporating that. That's kind of the

3277
02:18:23,840 --> 02:18:26,319
personal sense that I got. I do know

3278
02:18:26,319 --> 02:18:28,639
that they don't have a very big staff

3279
02:18:28,639 --> 02:18:31,519
and right now they've got the

3280
02:18:31,519 --> 02:18:34,000
partnership with the aging. So they do

3281
02:18:34,000 --> 02:18:35,439
try to hit a little bit more of the

3282
02:18:35,439 --> 02:18:37,120
areas outside of Salt Lake City. So

3283
02:18:37,120 --> 02:18:38,719
they'll go to Taylor'sville that work at

3284
02:18:38,719 --> 02:18:40,399
the

3285
02:18:40,399 --> 02:18:42,880
um senior centers there and do like

3286
02:18:42,880 --> 02:18:45,040
dance classes there. So they do have a

3287
02:18:45,040 --> 02:18:47,359
few pockets like that that they offer

3288
02:18:47,359 --> 02:18:49,200
those classes are free and offered to

3289
02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:51,120
seniors. Now they wanted to expand that

3290
02:18:51,120 --> 02:18:53,040
program. They have the executive

3291
02:18:53,040 --> 02:18:54,479
director who's taking over. He's the one

3292
02:18:54,479 --> 02:18:55,760
that is in charge of it. He's the one

3293
02:18:55,760 --> 02:18:58,080
that teaches it plus he does all the

3294
02:18:58,080 --> 02:18:58,719
other.

3295
02:18:58,719 --> 02:19:01,519
>> So they for

3296
02:19:01,519 --> 02:19:03,200
needing more funding to hire like an

3297
02:19:03,200 --> 02:19:04,399
additional

3298
02:19:04,399 --> 02:19:06,240
>> they just don't have the map. But I

3299
02:19:06,240 --> 02:19:07,439
think the marketing thing like what

3300
02:19:07,439 --> 02:19:08,960
you're talking about, one of the things

3301
02:19:08,960 --> 02:19:11,040
I have seen this year where there were a

3302
02:19:11,040 --> 02:19:12,559
couple of shifts in the applications

3303
02:19:12,559 --> 02:19:14,240
where they're like, "Yeah, we used to

3304
02:19:14,240 --> 02:19:16,960
try to target our marketing audiences

3305
02:19:16,960 --> 02:19:19,439
for very specific messages and then we

3306
02:19:19,439 --> 02:19:21,120
were advised in this past year by

3307
02:19:21,120 --> 02:19:23,200
marketing professionals that we really

3308
02:19:23,200 --> 02:19:25,920
need to not only do those targeted ones,

3309
02:19:25,920 --> 02:19:27,840
but that even the target audiences

3310
02:19:27,840 --> 02:19:29,439
should get the breath of everything that

3311
02:19:29,439 --> 02:19:32,719
we do because it's maybe even though

3312
02:19:32,719 --> 02:19:34,479
they're targeted for this, they might

3313
02:19:34,479 --> 02:19:36,240
still have an interest in these two or

3314
02:19:36,240 --> 02:19:38,399
three other things that we do. And so I

3315
02:19:38,399 --> 02:19:39,920
felt like that was a weakness for a

3316
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:42,080
reparatory dance um company. And there

3317
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:45,120
were a couple of our organizations that

3318
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:47,280
really talked about we only apply one

3319
02:19:47,280 --> 02:19:50,399
message to one group of people when they

3320
02:19:50,399 --> 02:19:53,280
have an array of things that could be

3321
02:19:53,280 --> 02:19:55,439
marketed and shared with groups to get

3322
02:19:55,439 --> 02:19:56,880
people across over in other

3323
02:19:56,880 --> 02:19:58,960
opportunities or at least say this might

3324
02:19:58,960 --> 02:20:00,960
not work for me, but I have a friend who

3325
02:20:00,960 --> 02:20:02,960
might be interested in that and when I

3326
02:20:02,960 --> 02:20:05,120
hear about it. So, I would encourage

3327
02:20:05,120 --> 02:20:09,120
them to look at some other ways of maybe

3328
02:20:09,120 --> 02:20:13,200
not being so targeted um with their

3329
02:20:13,200 --> 02:20:13,760
marketing.

3330
02:20:13,760 --> 02:20:18,720
>> Just want to um I I noticed when I was looking at the

3331
02:20:18,720 --> 02:20:20,319
Ballet West program when I was at the

3332
02:20:20,319 --> 02:20:23,040
choreographic festival and Repatory

3333
02:20:23,040 --> 02:20:25,680
Dance was, you know, doing their thing

3334
02:20:25,680 --> 02:20:28,000
and I got in the car and I'm like, well,

3335
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:29,439
because I did some modern dance in

3336
02:20:29,439 --> 02:20:31,359
college, [clears throat] you know,

3337
02:20:31,359 --> 02:20:33,222
obviously I can't do it now, but

3338
02:20:33,222 --> 02:20:33,840
[laughter]

3339
02:20:33,840 --> 02:20:35,680
I'm like, I wonder if they have and

3340
02:20:35,680 --> 02:20:37,120
right in there in the program, they had

3341
02:20:37,120 --> 02:20:40,640
an ad for just anybody who wants to

3342
02:20:40,640 --> 02:20:42,399
dance. And I went to the website and

3343
02:20:42,399 --> 02:20:44,640
looked and and they had the teacher

3344
02:20:44,640 --> 02:20:46,960
actually did a little talk, you know,

3345
02:20:46,960 --> 02:20:48,000
because that would be kind of

3346
02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:49,920
intimidating to just show up as a

3347
02:20:49,920 --> 02:20:52,080
60-year-old woman in some dance class

3348
02:20:52,080 --> 02:20:55,200
down, you know, but it he explained what

3349
02:20:55,200 --> 02:20:58,000
they do and what it looks like and you

3350
02:20:58,000 --> 02:20:59,439
can kind of be in the back for a little

3351
02:20:59,439 --> 02:21:01,840
bit and they do just, you know, movement

3352
02:21:01,840 --> 02:21:04,080
at first and then they offer.

3353
02:21:04,080 --> 02:21:06,240
>> So I I thought that was wonderful

3354
02:21:06,240 --> 02:21:07,600
>> to make it more inviting.

3355
02:21:07,600 --> 02:21:09,520
>> Yeah. you know, because okay, you're not

3356
02:21:09,520 --> 02:21:11,520
just seeing it in the program, but then

3357
02:21:11,520 --> 02:21:13,600
when you look at it, you actually get to

3358
02:21:13,600 --> 02:21:16,479
see the teacher and explain. It's okay.

3359
02:21:16,479 --> 02:21:17,840
You don't have to have any dance

3360
02:21:17,840 --> 02:21:19,600
background that you can just come and it

3361
02:21:19,600 --> 02:21:22,080
was cheap. I think it was 10 or $15 or

3362
02:21:22,080 --> 02:21:23,200
something. You could take the trucks

3363
02:21:23,200 --> 02:21:25,120
down, you know. So, I thought that was a

3364
02:21:25,120 --> 02:21:27,760
great example of outreach to someone

3365
02:21:27,760 --> 02:21:30,560
that might be interested in dance, go to

3366
02:21:30,560 --> 02:21:33,760
a concert like that and say, "Oh,

3367
02:21:33,760 --> 02:21:34,720
conversation."

3368
02:21:34,720 --> 02:21:36,640
>> Yeah. So,

3369
02:21:36,640 --> 02:21:38,399
>> yeah. Did you have something?

3370
02:21:38,399 --> 02:21:39,920
>> Yeah, I just wanted to say, you know, in

3371
02:21:39,920 --> 02:21:41,920
marketing, there's just more ways that

3372
02:21:41,920 --> 02:21:43,760
you can target now. And it really is a

3373
02:21:43,760 --> 02:21:46,000
better way to stretch your dollar. So,

3374
02:21:46,000 --> 02:21:47,840
and these marketing budgets are so

3375
02:21:47,840 --> 02:21:48,479
small.

3376
02:21:48,479 --> 02:21:49,680
>> Exactly.

3377
02:21:49,680 --> 02:21:52,479
>> Identify look like, you know, audiences

3378
02:21:52,479 --> 02:21:55,280
and fans. You you target by zip code, of

3379
02:21:55,280 --> 02:21:56,640
course, and everything. So, you could be

3380
02:21:56,640 --> 02:21:58,399
really precise about it

3381
02:21:58,399 --> 02:22:00,479
>> and intentional.

3382
02:22:00,479 --> 02:22:03,920
Uh, so I I guess I'm saying, you know,

3383
02:22:03,920 --> 02:22:06,640
mass marketing and, you know, buying a

3384
02:22:06,640 --> 02:22:10,960
TV commercials, not not what people do

3385
02:22:10,960 --> 02:22:11,280
anymore,

3386
02:22:11,280 --> 02:22:12,000
>> right?

3387
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:14,560
>> Exactly.

3388
02:22:14,560 --> 02:22:16,640
>> Any other thoughts or comments for

3389
02:22:16,640 --> 02:22:18,240
Dustin to capture?

3390
02:22:18,240 --> 02:22:20,000
>> Anybody want to change their adjust

3391
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:21,840
their scores

3392
02:22:21,840 --> 02:22:25,359
>> or comments on the page?

3393
02:22:25,359 --> 02:22:27,600
There 12.4.

3394
02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:30,160
That's the I believe this a few that are

3395
02:22:30,160 --> 02:22:38,230
at 12.4, but that's a second if you will.

3396
02:22:38,240 --> 02:22:41,040
» There's nothing further on this. We'll

3397
02:22:41,040 --> 02:22:46,560
move on to the the next answer.

3398
02:22:46,560 --> 02:22:47,920
Who was that?

3399
02:22:47,920 --> 02:22:49,920
>> Um,

3400
02:22:49,920 --> 02:22:53,590
>> ready to go.

3401
02:22:53,600 --> 02:22:57,520
Um Tom Dy has been the executive

3402
02:22:57,520 --> 02:23:00,319
director of um Ry Woodbury for the last

3403
02:23:00,319 --> 02:23:02,720
couple years after the um big leadership

3404
02:23:02,720 --> 02:23:07,520
transition of um legacy founders and he

3405
02:23:07,520 --> 02:23:09,760
is a rock star. I'm just really really

3406
02:23:09,760 --> 02:23:14,240
impressed by him. Um he was just you

3407
02:23:14,240 --> 02:23:16,319
know even even just the way that that

3408
02:23:16,319 --> 02:23:19,120
they interact with you as certain

3409
02:23:19,120 --> 02:23:21,040
executive directors interact with the

3410
02:23:21,040 --> 02:23:24,319
lead reviewers. It really stood out as

3411
02:23:24,319 --> 02:23:27,920
you know um going above above and beyond

3412
02:23:27,920 --> 02:23:31,760
to include me in various things. Um

3413
02:23:31,760 --> 02:23:33,600
I attended a board meeting. The board

3414
02:23:33,600 --> 02:23:36,560
was um engaged. I think it could be a

3415
02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:40,640
little bigger. Um they had they went

3416
02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:42,479
into executive committee meeting while I

3417
02:23:42,479 --> 02:23:43,439
was there and that was kind of

3418
02:23:43,439 --> 02:23:45,359
interesting and they didn't kick me out.

3419
02:23:45,359 --> 02:23:46,560
Um [laughter]

3420
02:23:46,560 --> 02:23:49,280
and they uh they [snorts] wanted to

3421
02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:52,640
discuss uh Tom Danty's um compensation

3422
02:23:52,640 --> 02:23:54,640
because having been there for two years

3423
02:23:54,640 --> 02:23:56,960
he hadn't had any kind of increase and

3424
02:23:56,960 --> 02:23:59,520
they were just so proud of what he's

3425
02:23:59,520 --> 02:24:01,359
done for the organization that they

3426
02:24:01,359 --> 02:24:04,720
wanted to recognize that. And so um so

3427
02:24:04,720 --> 02:24:08,240
the so they um deliberated a little bit

3428
02:24:08,240 --> 02:24:11,280
and and landed on a bonus rather than a

3429
02:24:11,280 --> 02:24:13,200
cost of living increase which would have

3430
02:24:13,200 --> 02:24:15,040
to apply to the artistic director as

3431
02:24:15,040 --> 02:24:15,760
well.

3432
02:24:15,760 --> 02:24:18,080
>> Um but it was nice that um you know

3433
02:24:18,080 --> 02:24:20,080
they've been um turning things around

3434
02:24:20,080 --> 02:24:21,840
financially and and the board wanted to

3435
02:24:21,840 --> 02:24:25,439
recognize that and um has a lot of faith

3436
02:24:25,439 --> 02:24:29,920
in him. Um they're uh you know they

3437
02:24:29,920 --> 02:24:32,000
they're really proud proud to still be

3438
02:24:32,000 --> 02:24:35,840
weird after 60 years and their their

3439
02:24:35,840 --> 02:24:39,920
innovative um experiential dance is you

3440
02:24:39,920 --> 02:24:42,640
know off the charts amazing. They uh

3441
02:24:42,640 --> 02:24:44,640
invited me to come. They commissioned

3442
02:24:44,640 --> 02:24:47,439
some uh choreographers from out of town

3443
02:24:47,439 --> 02:24:49,280
for the for a piece that they're doing

3444
02:24:49,280 --> 02:24:53,120
in September called Dual Rivet. And um I

3445
02:24:53,120 --> 02:24:55,760
encourage anyone to to go check it out

3446
02:24:55,760 --> 02:24:58,640
because it was it was really a a unique

3447
02:24:58,640 --> 02:25:02,960
and um interesting piece um related to

3448
02:25:02,960 --> 02:25:06,319
cameras and the way we think of

3449
02:25:06,319 --> 02:25:08,399
interacting with cameras and it was it

3450
02:25:08,399 --> 02:25:09,600
was very very cool.

3451
02:25:09,600 --> 02:25:11,120
>> And you said you you see that coming

3452
02:25:11,120 --> 02:25:12,479
again this fall?

3453
02:25:12,479 --> 02:25:13,760
>> Yeah, that's in September. It

3454
02:25:13,760 --> 02:25:17,040
>> is in there. They have two pieces for

3455
02:25:17,040 --> 02:25:18,560
their September. I think they call it

3456
02:25:18,560 --> 02:25:22,000
act one. Um, and that's one of the two

3457
02:25:22,000 --> 02:25:26,640
pieces. Um, and um, they do great

3458
02:25:26,640 --> 02:25:28,160
collaborations with other dance

3459
02:25:28,160 --> 02:25:32,479
organizations. Um, and you know, I they

3460
02:25:32,479 --> 02:25:36,000
do rural education, touring, and and um,

3461
02:25:36,000 --> 02:25:38,240
while that's outside of the county, I I

3462
02:25:38,240 --> 02:25:39,840
just think, you know, obviously Salt

3463
02:25:39,840 --> 02:25:43,200
Lake County is is the gold standard for

3464
02:25:43,200 --> 02:25:46,319
artistic quality in the state. And so I

3465
02:25:46,319 --> 02:25:48,000
think it is good that you know

3466
02:25:48,000 --> 02:25:50,720
especially exposure to something like um

3467
02:25:50,720 --> 02:25:52,960
you know experiential or experimental

3468
02:25:52,960 --> 02:25:56,000
dance and that's um out of the

3469
02:25:56,000 --> 02:25:59,120
mainstream of experience for some rural

3470
02:25:59,120 --> 02:26:02,160
people. So um so I think that's great.

3471
02:26:02,160 --> 02:26:04,800
Um they're doing you know the weaknesses

3472
02:26:04,800 --> 02:26:06,720
or audience building is always a

3473
02:26:06,720 --> 02:26:09,520
challenge. They inherited a deficit but

3474
02:26:09,520 --> 02:26:11,680
they're on a financial rebound. Um

3475
02:26:11,680 --> 02:26:13,920
they're trying new interesting outreach

3476
02:26:13,920 --> 02:26:17,920
opportunities like a Fisher Brewing um

3477
02:26:17,920 --> 02:26:24,630
event to to try to reach new audiences.

3478
02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:28,160
Was there any discussion about board

3479
02:26:28,160 --> 02:26:30,640
expansion getting board members across

3480
02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:32,800
county because what it's only half of

3481
02:26:32,800 --> 02:26:36,479
the six districts. Um,

3482
02:26:36,479 --> 02:26:38,960
did they just cuz for me that's one of

3483
02:26:38,960 --> 02:26:41,439
the indicators of maybe why it feels a

3484
02:26:41,439 --> 02:26:44,640
little insular is that I I I don't know

3485
02:26:44,640 --> 02:26:45,920
if you talked about any of that

3486
02:26:45,920 --> 02:26:46,720
representation.

3487
02:26:46,720 --> 02:26:49,840
>> It wasn't really raised. Um, but you

3488
02:26:49,840 --> 02:26:51,680
know they

3489
02:26:51,680 --> 02:26:53,520
just the whole organization runs so

3490
02:26:53,520 --> 02:26:56,800
lean. Um, they actually were um moving

3491
02:26:56,800 --> 02:26:59,520
uh office space in the rows to reduce

3492
02:26:59,520 --> 02:27:00,880
their rent

3493
02:27:00,880 --> 02:27:02,399
>> in the rows. They were

3494
02:27:02,399 --> 02:27:04,720
>> How many board members do they have? Um

3495
02:27:04,720 --> 02:27:06,080
I'm sorry I don't have that in front of

3496
02:27:06,080 --> 02:27:06,479
me.

3497
02:27:06,479 --> 02:27:08,880
>> It's okay. I mean um look at the

3498
02:27:08,880 --> 02:27:09,200
application.

3499
02:27:09,200 --> 02:27:11,920
>> But they were engaged and um and their

3500
02:27:11,920 --> 02:27:15,439
dances are very um they have a really

3501
02:27:15,439 --> 02:27:18,880
stellar education um

3502
02:27:18,880 --> 02:27:21,840
education uh director.

3503
02:27:21,840 --> 02:27:24,160
>> One thing I did wonder

3504
02:27:24,160 --> 02:27:26,560
>> I saw that their executive committee is

3505
02:27:26,560 --> 02:27:27,760
just

3506
02:27:27,760 --> 02:27:29,359
>> I think the executive director and the

3507
02:27:29,359 --> 02:27:31,680
next one.

3508
02:27:31,680 --> 02:27:32,560
you know, if you're going to have an

3509
02:27:32,560 --> 02:27:34,960
executive that that's just might be good

3510
02:27:34,960 --> 02:27:37,120
to add two more members to that

3511
02:27:37,120 --> 02:27:39,680
committee. And then also I wondered

3512
02:27:39,680 --> 02:27:41,600
about a broader range of county

3513
02:27:41,600 --> 02:27:43,520
municipalities for events

3514
02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:46,160
>> because it's pretty

3515
02:27:46,160 --> 02:27:50,550
citiz

3516
02:27:50,560 --> 02:27:52,640
and and the performing the space.

3517
02:27:52,640 --> 02:27:53,439
>> Yeah.

3518
02:27:53,439 --> 02:27:56,640
>> Weird. But I did review them last year

3519
02:27:56,640 --> 02:27:59,120
and I remember how they treat their

3520
02:27:59,120 --> 02:28:01,359
dancers too. They do a really good job

3521
02:28:01,359 --> 02:28:05,280
of how taking care of their artists.

3522
02:28:05,280 --> 02:28:10,710
>> Very hands on very respectful.

3523
02:28:10,720 --> 02:28:12,479
» Well, and weren't they creating a new

3524
02:28:12,479 --> 02:28:14,160
advisory board? That's one of the like

3525
02:28:14,160 --> 02:28:15,920
the comments I was talking about

3526
02:28:15,920 --> 02:28:17,520
earlier. You can have an advisory board

3527
02:28:17,520 --> 02:28:22,560
that has more uh representation

3528
02:28:22,560 --> 02:28:24,319
maybe than the actual

3529
02:28:24,319 --> 02:28:25,840
>> and that'll just kind of help them

3530
02:28:25,840 --> 02:28:28,240
expand their their reach within

3531
02:28:28,240 --> 02:28:30,479
networking and getting the word out.

3532
02:28:30,479 --> 02:28:32,560
>> The fact that they have 40k connections

3533
02:28:32,560 --> 02:28:35,840
in education that's pretty small.

3534
02:28:35,840 --> 02:28:38,319
>> Yeah, it's amazing. And it really goes

3535
02:28:38,319 --> 02:28:41,040
back to [clears throat] the pops,

3536
02:28:41,040 --> 02:28:42,960
you know, it allows these organizations

3537
02:28:42,960 --> 02:28:45,280
to

3538
02:28:45,280 --> 02:28:46,720
>> really

3539
02:28:46,720 --> 02:28:49,120
have amazing capacity for these.

3540
02:28:49,120 --> 02:28:51,680
>> It's like a great co-rant the Zap one.

3541
02:28:51,680 --> 02:28:53,280
It allows someone that maybe can't do

3542
02:28:53,280 --> 02:28:54,560
outreach because their venue is at a

3543
02:28:54,560 --> 02:28:56,319
certain location. They primarily do

3544
02:28:56,319 --> 02:28:58,080
everything there for them to get out in

3545
02:28:58,080 --> 02:28:59,439
the community. Even though it's a

3546
02:28:59,439 --> 02:29:01,120
certain demographic, they're still

3547
02:29:01,120 --> 02:29:02,880
getting out and all. I think it's so

3548
02:29:02,880 --> 02:29:04,720
complimentary somehow. It just works out

3549
02:29:04,720 --> 02:29:05,760
with the pops.

3550
02:29:05,760 --> 02:29:08,870
>> Yeah.

3551
02:29:08,880 --> 02:29:10,479
» Any changes to the score or the

3552
02:29:10,479 --> 02:29:14,790
comments?

3553
02:29:14,800 --> 02:29:16,880
I probably I scored a higher the

3554
02:29:16,880 --> 02:29:20,399
average. That's for sure. It's 11.6, but

3555
02:29:20,399 --> 02:29:21,680
based on the discussion, if anybody

3556
02:29:21,680 --> 02:29:24,560
wants to change anything, I

3557
02:29:24,560 --> 02:29:26,720
>> think it's always easier to up your

3558
02:29:26,720 --> 02:29:28,319
score when you've been the lead reviewer

3559
02:29:28,319 --> 02:29:31,200
because you get an intimate [laughter]

3560
02:29:31,200 --> 02:29:32,800
look at things. Yeah.

3561
02:29:32,800 --> 02:29:35,568
>> It's like your favorite kid, whatever.

3562
02:29:35,568 --> 02:29:38,070
[laughter]

3563
02:29:38,080 --> 02:29:40,800
» It's the one you're with, right?

3564
02:29:40,800 --> 02:29:42,640
>> I thought their engagement benefit was

3565
02:29:42,640 --> 02:29:46,240
off the charts. I mean just that just

3566
02:29:46,240 --> 02:29:48,720
from the obligation.

3567
02:29:48,720 --> 02:29:50,880
>> Well, and I think since we have a minute

3568
02:29:50,880 --> 02:29:53,280
on this one, that is part of what we

3569
02:29:53,280 --> 02:29:55,200
have to discuss, right? Is the POPS

3570
02:29:55,200 --> 02:29:56,720
organizations

3571
02:29:56,720 --> 02:29:58,560
are not going to be equivalent to

3572
02:29:58,560 --> 02:30:01,280
nonpops organization when we talk about

3573
02:30:01,280 --> 02:30:02,880
um community outreach and our

3574
02:30:02,880 --> 02:30:05,760
expectation of what organizations that

3575
02:30:05,760 --> 02:30:07,840
don't receive POPs need to do in a

3576
02:30:07,840 --> 02:30:09,840
broader scale. We might have to this

3577
02:30:09,840 --> 02:30:12,000
might be a workg group thing at some

3578
02:30:12,000 --> 02:30:14,479
point or another conversation but it's

3579
02:30:14,479 --> 02:30:15,680
really hard to have the same

3580
02:30:15,680 --> 02:30:17,520
expectation. I know in years past we

3581
02:30:17,520 --> 02:30:19,280
asked in the application are EPOPS

3582
02:30:19,280 --> 02:30:21,359
funded but the way we posed the question

3583
02:30:21,359 --> 02:30:24,080
this year made it very obvious and going

3584
02:30:24,080 --> 02:30:26,720
well gosh this went so I have HCT when

3585
02:30:26,720 --> 02:30:28,560
we talk about HCT we'll talk about some

3586
02:30:28,560 --> 02:30:30,080
of these differences but

3587
02:30:30,080 --> 02:30:33,200
>> I see as well and I see as I see funding

3588
02:30:33,200 --> 02:30:35,280
too that same with natural

3589
02:30:35,280 --> 02:30:37,600
>> I just want I thought about this in

3590
02:30:37,600 --> 02:30:39,760
thinking about the scores if you see a

3591
02:30:39,760 --> 02:30:41,200
weakness you don't necessarily have to

3592
02:30:41,200 --> 02:30:43,200
change the score based on the weakness

3593
02:30:43,200 --> 02:30:46,080
because I think I have a I'm the philosy

3594
02:30:46,080 --> 02:30:49,040
opy of continuous improvement. So

3595
02:30:49,040 --> 02:30:50,560
>> it doesn't have to be a knock if they

3596
02:30:50,560 --> 02:30:53,359
have a weakness. In fact, if everything

3597
02:30:53,359 --> 02:30:55,680
was perfect, I would be skeptical.

3598
02:30:55,680 --> 02:30:56,080
>> Yeah.

3599
02:30:56,080 --> 02:30:58,000
>> If they don't have something to work on.

3600
02:30:58,000 --> 02:30:58,720
So

3601
02:30:58,720 --> 02:31:00,479
>> Kelsey's putting that down for you. One

3602
02:31:00,479 --> 02:31:03,040
of the items is to some comparison

3603
02:31:03,040 --> 02:31:04,560
>> between [clears throat] seasons of icy

3604
02:31:04,560 --> 02:31:06,160
versus not Icy. So we have a better idea

3605
02:31:06,160 --> 02:31:07,920
of maybe we identify it on this next

3606
02:31:07,920 --> 02:31:10,080
year for you. This is icy, this is not

3607
02:31:10,080 --> 02:31:10,720
or

3608
02:31:10,720 --> 02:31:12,560
>> or you look at their outreach versus

3609
02:31:12,560 --> 02:31:13,920
other kinds of outreach. And I think it

3610
02:31:13,920 --> 02:31:15,920
helps even in our subjective world to be

3611
02:31:15,920 --> 02:31:17,840
more consistent. So like when I was

3612
02:31:17,840 --> 02:31:19,920
evaluating I was trying to find two

3613
02:31:19,920 --> 02:31:21,680
things that I felt like I was really

3614
02:31:21,680 --> 02:31:23,280
going to focus on in every single

3615
02:31:23,280 --> 02:31:25,120
organization consistently, right? So

3616
02:31:25,120 --> 02:31:27,600
that's why I did like board for example.

3617
02:31:27,600 --> 02:31:29,359
So it doesn't the weakness doesn't have

3618
02:31:29,359 --> 02:31:31,200
to knock it. But if I'm looking

3619
02:31:31,200 --> 02:31:33,359
specifically at community ga engagement

3620
02:31:33,359 --> 02:31:35,600
as a priority for consistency with every

3621
02:31:35,600 --> 02:31:39,200
single one, then I do have to evaluate

3622
02:31:39,200 --> 02:31:41,120
that for every single one. And then I

3623
02:31:41,120 --> 02:31:42,560
tried to look for the niche or

3624
02:31:42,560 --> 02:31:44,160
outstanding

3625
02:31:44,160 --> 02:31:47,920
uniques things to still honor that

3626
02:31:47,920 --> 02:31:50,240
organization and its independence and

3627
02:31:50,240 --> 02:31:52,479
its relevance to the community. But I

3628
02:31:52,479 --> 02:31:54,720
felt like I had to have something that I

3629
02:31:54,720 --> 02:31:57,120
was trying to consistently

3630
02:31:57,120 --> 02:31:57,680
>> Yeah.

3631
02:31:57,680 --> 02:32:00,240
>> Um at at least at a base level for every

3632
02:32:00,240 --> 02:32:02,880
single application to be fair as well.

3633
02:32:02,880 --> 02:32:03,359
Mhm.

3634
02:32:03,359 --> 02:32:05,680
>> And I I was feeling the same way about

3635
02:32:05,680 --> 02:32:08,240
University of Utah because the ones that

3636
02:32:08,240 --> 02:32:10,960
have university funding and they're, you

3637
02:32:10,960 --> 02:32:13,200
know, just from like the accountability

3638
02:32:13,200 --> 02:32:14,160
financially, it's

3639
02:32:14,160 --> 02:32:17,280
>> we'll just get $650,000 absolved of

3640
02:32:17,280 --> 02:32:19,439
their debt. Yeah. Right.

3641
02:32:19,439 --> 02:32:21,840
>> Um so, anything Cody needs to change?

3642
02:32:21,840 --> 02:32:23,920
Anybody changed? Anything unmittable?

3643
02:32:23,920 --> 02:32:25,439
Any other last comments for Dustin to

3644
02:32:25,439 --> 02:32:27,040
take down?

3645
02:32:27,040 --> 02:32:28,560
>> I think we'll finish this last one if

3646
02:32:28,560 --> 02:32:31,520
you want to, Mr. Chair, and then we'll take a lunch break. Okay, that's

3647
02:32:31,520 --> 02:32:35,920
me in a dance. That completes the dance

3648
02:32:35,920 --> 02:32:38,640
ring cycle here.

3649
02:32:38,640 --> 02:32:42,319
So, as many of you may already know, I

3650
02:32:42,319 --> 02:32:43,760
looked at this, this is my fifth year.

3651
02:32:43,760 --> 02:32:45,120
So, I looked at this through the lens of

3652
02:32:45,120 --> 02:32:47,040
a handful of things. So, we have the

3653
02:32:47,040 --> 02:32:49,120
four categories. They've been adjusted,

3654
02:32:49,120 --> 02:32:52,240
you know, in terms of the artistic, the

3655
02:32:52,240 --> 02:32:54,080
organizational stability, public

3656
02:32:54,080 --> 02:32:56,960
engagement, financial. So the things I

3657
02:32:56,960 --> 02:32:59,040
almost went right to all these

3658
02:32:59,040 --> 02:33:00,800
applications

3659
02:33:00,800 --> 02:33:04,560
um well first off on the programming

3660
02:33:04,560 --> 02:33:06,479
there's very few thing you know very few

3661
02:33:06,479 --> 02:33:07,920
of these tier ones that I don't think

3662
02:33:07,920 --> 02:33:10,080
are strong or exceptional in terms of

3663
02:33:10,080 --> 02:33:12,399
artistic so the things I tended to look

3664
02:33:12,399 --> 02:33:14,560
at was you know what is their

3665
02:33:14,560 --> 02:33:16,560
sustainability from an earned revenue

3666
02:33:16,560 --> 02:33:18,880
standpoint what's the organizational

3667
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:21,359
capacity thinking about scenario

3668
02:33:21,359 --> 02:33:23,840
planning succession

3669
02:33:23,840 --> 02:33:26,720
uh is the board engaged, you know,

3670
02:33:26,720 --> 02:33:28,880
across the county and the same thing on

3671
02:33:28,880 --> 02:33:31,200
public engagement. And in some cases,

3672
02:33:31,200 --> 02:33:33,040
are they working with other arts groups

3673
02:33:33,040 --> 02:33:35,760
or communities to try to extend so when

3674
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:37,600
we look at all the activity lists, it's

3675
02:33:37,600 --> 02:33:39,359
a little bit difficult. I don't really

3676
02:33:39,359 --> 02:33:41,120
know what the examples are when they at

3677
02:33:41,120 --> 02:33:43,120
a numerical number or, you know,

3678
02:33:43,120 --> 02:33:44,960
activities in these towns and so on and

3679
02:33:44,960 --> 02:33:46,640
so forth. And as has already been

3680
02:33:46,640 --> 02:33:47,520
identified, there's a lot of

3681
02:33:47,520 --> 02:33:50,560
concentration in districts one and four

3682
02:33:50,560 --> 02:33:53,120
and not as much, you know, beyond that.

3683
02:33:53,120 --> 02:33:55,200
So, you know, my view is tier one should

3684
02:33:55,200 --> 02:33:57,439
be, you know, countywide. It should be,

3685
02:33:57,439 --> 02:33:59,920
you know, influence that my experience

3686
02:33:59,920 --> 02:34:04,560
with them. I don't have any um anything

3687
02:34:04,560 --> 02:34:07,600
uh I have no disagreement with any of

3688
02:34:07,600 --> 02:34:10,800
the uh summary parts, but I went to

3689
02:34:10,800 --> 02:34:14,399
their uh elevate programming which uh

3690
02:34:14,399 --> 02:34:16,160
caters to the disability. Who who

3691
02:34:16,160 --> 02:34:17,520
recently did you do them last year?

3692
02:34:17,520 --> 02:34:18,160
>> Yeah, that was

3693
02:34:18,160 --> 02:34:20,399
>> so it was amazing. I I mean I went

3694
02:34:20,399 --> 02:34:21,760
there, Amanda. I didn't even know what

3695
02:34:21,760 --> 02:34:22,640
the performance was [clears throat]

3696
02:34:22,640 --> 02:34:24,800
about. It was just on my calendar. It

3697
02:34:24,800 --> 02:34:26,319
was the first available back in the

3698
02:34:26,319 --> 02:34:29,200
spring and I didn't know what it was.

3699
02:34:29,200 --> 02:34:31,040
And I'm there and I was like I had tears

3700
02:34:31,040 --> 02:34:33,760
come just to watch these people

3701
02:34:33,760 --> 02:34:36,640
>> and just and and so then I met with Mary

3702
02:34:36,640 --> 02:34:39,439
Lee and the uh the business development

3703
02:34:39,439 --> 02:34:40,800
person. I went up and they gave me a

3704
02:34:40,800 --> 02:34:43,760
tour. The board meeting was post this

3705
02:34:43,760 --> 02:34:45,280
meeting. So I I didn't go to a board

3706
02:34:45,280 --> 02:34:47,120
meeting, but I typically try to go to a

3707
02:34:47,120 --> 02:34:48,399
board meeting and meet with the

3708
02:34:48,399 --> 02:34:51,600
executives, you know, separately. So I

3709
02:34:51,600 --> 02:34:53,439
went out and toured and explained all

3710
02:34:53,439 --> 02:34:54,880
the programs. And so this is a

3711
02:34:54,880 --> 02:34:56,720
continuing education program that they

3712
02:34:56,720 --> 02:34:58,160
have for these people with

3713
02:34:58,160 --> 02:34:59,680
disadvantages.

3714
02:34:59,680 --> 02:35:02,880
And the parents pay tuition. So it's,

3715
02:35:02,880 --> 02:35:04,560
you know, some of it's subsidized. They

3716
02:35:04,560 --> 02:35:06,080
also have this endowment, which I

3717
02:35:06,080 --> 02:35:07,520
referred to before, that they're trying

3718
02:35:07,520 --> 02:35:10,720
to build. And they have they have

3719
02:35:10,720 --> 02:35:13,600
programming year round. Now I have I

3720
02:35:13,600 --> 02:35:15,200
have an advantage which is kind of a

3721
02:35:15,200 --> 02:35:16,640
combination of maybe a little bit of

3722
02:35:16,640 --> 02:35:18,399
bias. My son had gone to some their

3723
02:35:18,399 --> 02:35:21,120
programs when he was young. He's 23 now.

3724
02:35:21,120 --> 02:35:22,479
But when he was young he was in the

3725
02:35:22,479 --> 02:35:24,880
preschool and he was in the dance you

3726
02:35:24,880 --> 02:35:26,319
know they do the capital theater

3727
02:35:26,319 --> 02:35:28,399
performances and so on. The one weakness

3728
02:35:28,399 --> 02:35:31,200
was that it's very female oriented. So

3729
02:35:31,200 --> 02:35:33,680
as boys get older third or fourth grade

3730
02:35:33,680 --> 02:35:36,080
they feel pretty isolated there. So that

3731
02:35:36,080 --> 02:35:38,240
is a weakness, you know, of their

3732
02:35:38,240 --> 02:35:40,000
programming, but they have year round

3733
02:35:40,000 --> 02:35:42,160
kinds of things. It's really amazing.

3734
02:35:42,160 --> 02:35:44,319
They do try to go out to the schools to

3735
02:35:44,319 --> 02:35:46,720
do things, but they are fairly well

3736
02:35:46,720 --> 02:35:49,200
inconstructed there at the U. So most

3737
02:35:49,200 --> 02:35:50,880
everything is where you go from a

3738
02:35:50,880 --> 02:35:53,760
destination standpoint, but I was really

3739
02:35:53,760 --> 02:35:56,000
uh no, I was really impressed. I mean

3740
02:35:56,000 --> 02:35:58,160
and candidly as a disclosure for my

3741
02:35:58,160 --> 02:35:59,600
first year I was asked to go to the

3742
02:35:59,600 --> 02:36:02,160
tanner and I recused myself because I

3743
02:36:02,160 --> 02:36:04,640
had these issues you know that we kind

3744
02:36:04,640 --> 02:36:07,120
of our experience and I thought okay you

3745
02:36:07,120 --> 02:36:08,319
know

3746
02:36:08,319 --> 02:36:10,000
>> the second time around I'll see and they

3747
02:36:10,000 --> 02:36:12,080
actually made a bunch of improvements in

3748
02:36:12,080 --> 02:36:14,960
terms of the programming so that's my

3749
02:36:14,960 --> 02:36:15,359
story

3750
02:36:15,359 --> 02:36:17,280
>> well I felt really strongly about this

3751
02:36:17,280 --> 02:36:19,120
being a good example for so many of our

3752
02:36:19,120 --> 02:36:21,760
organization their one um program wild

3753
02:36:21,760 --> 02:36:23,920
ideas I was performed in more than one

3754
02:36:23,920 --> 02:36:26,640
location So I think that that is an

3755
02:36:26,640 --> 02:36:28,240
example for a lot of our tier one

3756
02:36:28,240 --> 02:36:30,319
organizations is you can do your same

3757
02:36:30,319 --> 02:36:32,720
programming but just take it on the road

3758
02:36:32,720 --> 02:36:34,800
even if it's only for two or three days

3759
02:36:34,800 --> 02:36:36,720
to make it access accessible to an

3760
02:36:36,720 --> 02:36:38,960
entirely different group of people. And

3761
02:36:38,960 --> 02:36:40,319
I think something that was left out of

3762
02:36:40,319 --> 02:36:42,399
the comments here that I did put in mind

3763
02:36:42,399 --> 02:36:44,160
I felt like they had remarkable

3764
02:36:44,160 --> 02:36:45,680
investments in their professional

3765
02:36:45,680 --> 02:36:47,760
development and team building and that

3766
02:36:47,760 --> 02:36:49,840
they had an outstanding volunteer

3767
02:36:49,840 --> 02:36:52,479
resourcing and management program. And I

3768
02:36:52,479 --> 02:36:54,880
don't want them to be slighted for that

3769
02:36:54,880 --> 02:36:58,319
because that is a a massive contribution

3770
02:36:58,319 --> 02:37:00,319
to the organization's success.

3771
02:37:00,319 --> 02:37:03,280
>> Mary Lee specifically said that uh part

3772
02:37:03,280 --> 02:37:06,560
of the endowment it's it's a quasi a

3773
02:37:06,560 --> 02:37:08,080
little education on that. Yeah.

3774
02:37:08,080 --> 02:37:10,160
>> They're able to use that to pay the

3775
02:37:10,160 --> 02:37:12,800
salaries of people to keep them engaged.

3776
02:37:12,800 --> 02:37:14,399
They had a down cycle in terms of

3777
02:37:14,399 --> 02:37:16,479
funding and they try to increase that.

3778
02:37:16,479 --> 02:37:17,200
So yeah.

3779
02:37:17,200 --> 02:37:20,240
>> Um and you're right. Um, and I've saying

3780
02:37:20,240 --> 02:37:22,160
this to organizations last couple years.

3781
02:37:22,160 --> 02:37:23,840
If you could at least do a sample

3782
02:37:23,840 --> 02:37:26,479
program. So, I have I have a love for

3783
02:37:26,479 --> 02:37:29,520
the Murray Theater, which just real

3784
02:37:29,520 --> 02:37:31,439
staff to it. [laughter]

3785
02:37:31,439 --> 02:37:33,040
>> It's like my love for this place.

3786
02:37:33,040 --> 02:37:35,280
>> That's my lobbying, right, for district

3787
02:37:35,280 --> 02:37:38,560
3. But, but seriously, you know, can you

3788
02:37:38,560 --> 02:37:40,160
do sample programs in these other

3789
02:37:40,160 --> 02:37:41,840
venues? You know, you got new ones in

3790
02:37:41,840 --> 02:37:43,600
South Jordan and West Jordan. You've got

3791
02:37:43,600 --> 02:37:46,160
them in Midvale. Can you go out and do

3792
02:37:46,160 --> 02:37:47,600
some of these things? It doesn't have to

3793
02:37:47,600 --> 02:37:50,160
be full on, but you can, you know,

3794
02:37:50,160 --> 02:37:51,520
>> doesn't have to be a tour, but it could

3795
02:37:51,520 --> 02:37:52,880
be like mobile programming.

3796
02:37:52,880 --> 02:37:53,680
>> Could be a mobile program.

3797
02:37:53,680 --> 02:37:56,720
>> A few of the dancers, go and show off

3798
02:37:56,720 --> 02:37:58,720
ballet or

3799
02:37:58,720 --> 02:38:01,439
>> I'm a little I was surprised by this in

3800
02:38:01,439 --> 02:38:03,760
one of my questions. Um

3801
02:38:03,760 --> 02:38:06,000
>> because in pops, this might be worth

3802
02:38:06,000 --> 02:38:07,359
noting too,

3803
02:38:07,359 --> 02:38:10,160
>> they have to get to every district every

3804
02:38:10,160 --> 02:38:13,359
three years. So it might be worth

3805
02:38:13,359 --> 02:38:15,520
tracking that in our thing where they're

3806
02:38:15,520 --> 02:38:17,359
not doing in their scheduling. They

3807
02:38:17,359 --> 02:38:20,240
might be trying to get there or have it

3808
02:38:20,240 --> 02:38:21,120
planned

3809
02:38:21,120 --> 02:38:23,359
>> next year and because that that was my

3810
02:38:23,359 --> 02:38:26,160
big I was really surprised that they had

3811
02:38:26,160 --> 02:38:29,120
as little reach

3812
02:38:29,120 --> 02:38:33,840
>> because my sorry I was I mean 75% of

3813
02:38:33,840 --> 02:38:35,439
their board is district 4.

3814
02:38:35,439 --> 02:38:36,160
>> Yeah.

3815
02:38:36,160 --> 02:38:37,359
>> So it's kind of

3816
02:38:37,359 --> 02:38:38,800
>> Yeah. That's an issue for

3817
02:38:38,800 --> 02:38:40,800
>> I did attend a board meeting last year

3818
02:38:40,800 --> 02:38:42,640
and that was the only that was the only

3819
02:38:42,640 --> 02:38:43,840
thing that brought my score down with

3820
02:38:43,840 --> 02:38:45,680
them is that there was no diversity

3821
02:38:45,680 --> 02:38:46,960
within their board. Everyone was

3822
02:38:46,960 --> 02:38:49,840
attached to Tanner in some way which was

3823
02:38:49,840 --> 02:38:51,040
great. Everyone was very passionate

3824
02:38:51,040 --> 02:38:52,960
about it. Everyone cared a lot but

3825
02:38:52,960 --> 02:38:55,280
>> they didn't seem to have any real

3826
02:38:55,280 --> 02:38:58,960
interest in expanding or diversif

3827
02:38:58,960 --> 02:39:00,399
and I asked specifically because in

3828
02:39:00,399 --> 02:39:02,160
their application they said yeah we're

3829
02:39:02,160 --> 02:39:04,240
always working to diversify our board

3830
02:39:04,240 --> 02:39:06,560
and whatever. when they asked what their

3831
02:39:06,560 --> 02:39:09,040
strategy was for that

3832
02:39:09,040 --> 02:39:12,160
>> no training since 2015 for Amanda I've

3833
02:39:12,160 --> 02:39:14,560
had a conflict with that because but I

3834
02:39:14,560 --> 02:39:16,080
felt that the programming is so

3835
02:39:16,080 --> 02:39:18,000
exceptional I don't want to discount

3836
02:39:18,000 --> 02:39:20,720
that but it's a very insular group

3837
02:39:20,720 --> 02:39:24,160
>> people who've been associated for a long time

3838
02:39:24,160 --> 02:39:27,120
>> and you know that would be something

3839
02:39:27,120 --> 02:39:29,200
like to advise them to do more on and I

3840
02:39:29,200 --> 02:39:30,640
did say that to me

3841
02:39:30,640 --> 02:39:32,319
>> looking at the data so this is a data

3842
02:39:32,319 --> 02:39:34,800
report um when you look at 23

3843
02:39:34,800 --> 02:39:37,200
municipalities ities in Salt Lake

3844
02:39:37,200 --> 02:39:39,680
County. Um it looks like they got to

3845
02:39:39,680 --> 02:39:41,280
nine if you count Salt Lake City where

3846
02:39:41,280 --> 02:39:42,800
their where their home is. So they got

3847
02:39:42,800 --> 02:39:44,319
to eight other groups. So if you

3848
02:39:44,319 --> 02:39:46,160
sometimes if you want to pull this out

3849
02:39:46,160 --> 02:39:47,520
that's important to people for that

3850
02:39:47,520 --> 02:39:50,319
category. Um it is um municipal service

3851
02:39:50,319 --> 02:39:52,960
reach is what the name of that is but uh

3852
02:39:52,960 --> 02:39:55,200
besides their own which is would be one

3853
02:39:55,200 --> 02:39:57,280
of the nine they got to eight other

3854
02:39:57,280 --> 02:39:58,960
communities which I don't know the size

3855
02:39:58,960 --> 02:40:00,399
of their organization necessarily for

3856
02:40:00,399 --> 02:40:02,720
this year this past fiscal year ending

3857
02:40:02,720 --> 02:40:04,800
but um have to look at that. Is that

3858
02:40:04,800 --> 02:40:05,600
relative? How does that

3859
02:40:05,600 --> 02:40:06,720
>> Right. And are those eight communities

3860
02:40:06,720 --> 02:40:09,200
part of their pops, right, versus their

3861
02:40:09,200 --> 02:40:10,720
mainstream,

3862
02:40:10,720 --> 02:40:12,000
right? Which we don't know.

3863
02:40:12,000 --> 02:40:12,880
>> And that's a parking lot.

3864
02:40:12,880 --> 02:40:14,399
>> So you would expect with pops that it

3865
02:40:14,399 --> 02:40:15,760
would be higher.

3866
02:40:15,760 --> 02:40:17,359
>> Well, I guess the question is because I

3867
02:40:17,359 --> 02:40:19,120
hadn't really thought of that years past

3868
02:40:19,120 --> 02:40:20,640
about the pops versus the county.

3869
02:40:20,640 --> 02:40:21,520
>> That's why.

3870
02:40:21,520 --> 02:40:23,840
>> So we need to consider that as a parking

3871
02:40:23,840 --> 02:40:24,319
lot.

3872
02:40:24,319 --> 02:40:25,840
>> Yeah. Discuss that.

3873
02:40:25,840 --> 02:40:27,280
>> Was that an impact program? Would it

3874
02:40:27,280 --> 02:40:30,560
help them diversify their board and them

3875
02:40:30,560 --> 02:40:35,830
to do more board trainings?

3876
02:40:35,840 --> 02:40:37,439
some of the matchmaking too with tier 2.

3877
02:40:37,439 --> 02:40:38,960
I think that could be a way that feels a

3878
02:40:38,960 --> 02:40:41,439
little more comfortable for them is tier

3879
02:40:41,439 --> 02:40:43,040
two connections of having tier two

3880
02:40:43,040 --> 02:40:44,720
members on their board or people they

3881
02:40:44,720 --> 02:40:46,880
know if it's someone on their board. I

3882
02:40:46,880 --> 02:40:48,560
think that's something you could do with

3883
02:40:48,560 --> 02:40:50,960
impact. Um any other last comments

3884
02:40:50,960 --> 02:40:53,501
before the time is up

3885
02:40:53,501 --> 02:40:54,080
[laughter]

3886
02:40:54,080 --> 02:40:55,920
>> or score change again? They

3887
02:40:55,920 --> 02:40:56,720
>> change the score

3888
02:40:56,720 --> 02:40:58,720
>> and so I was just going to say I I I

3889
02:40:58,720 --> 02:41:00,479
don't know if adequate and does that

3890
02:41:00,479 --> 02:41:02,640
feel comfortable for everyone? It's one

3891
02:41:02,640 --> 02:41:05,600
of our uh it's not it's our third one

3892
02:41:05,600 --> 02:41:08,160
down. Sorry. Of the of this

3893
02:41:08,160 --> 02:41:11,600
five scoring levels. Um it's adequate.

3894
02:41:11,600 --> 02:41:13,120
And someone changed theirs. Does anyone

3895
02:41:13,120 --> 02:41:14,880
else change theirs?

3896
02:41:14,880 --> 02:41:18,790
>> No.

3897
02:41:18,800 --> 02:41:20,640
» What is that? If I write, are you able

3898
02:41:20,640 --> 02:41:21,840
to calculate? If you're not, then no. I

3899
02:41:21,840 --> 02:41:22,720
can go to the next one.

3900
02:41:22,720 --> 02:41:24,000
>> Actually, I think I'm going to change

3901
02:41:24,000 --> 02:41:24,399
mine.

3902
02:41:24,399 --> 02:41:24,880
>> Okay.

3903
02:41:24,880 --> 02:41:26,720
Let's go to the next one and I can

3904
02:41:26,720 --> 02:41:27,120
provide

3905
02:41:27,120 --> 02:41:28,399
>> We're going to do I think we need to eat

3906
02:41:28,399 --> 02:41:31,280
lunch if we can. Y

3907
02:41:31,280 --> 02:41:33,040
>> if Cody had his way, he would never eat

3908
02:41:33,040 --> 02:41:35,520
lunch.

3909
02:41:35,520 --> 02:41:36,640
You're welcome. [laughter]

3910
02:41:36,640 --> 02:41:38,479
>> Is that okay, Mr. Chair? While he makes

3911
02:41:38,479 --> 02:41:40,640
adjustments and you change and you

3912
02:41:40,640 --> 02:41:43,120
change, we grab lunch and we have 30

3913
02:41:43,120 --> 02:41:46,319
minutes for lunch. So, um

3914
02:41:46,319 --> 02:41:48,399
>> I come back a little early actually

3915
02:41:48,399 --> 02:41:50,240
since we're we're sort of a little tiny

3916
02:41:50,240 --> 02:41:54,309
behind. We're about

3917
02:41:54,319 --> 02:41:58,319
» We're 13 minutes behind and we are we

3918
02:41:58,319 --> 02:42:01,040
come back in

3919
02:42:01,040 --> 02:42:02,640
Is [laughter]

3920
02:42:02,640 --> 02:42:05,600
>> do you hear him initiating 17 minutes?

3921
02:42:05,600 --> 02:42:07,040
>> Are you okay if we come back around

3922
02:42:07,040 --> 02:42:08,720
noon? Is that okay? We can kind of start

3923
02:42:08,720 --> 02:42:10,640
to to be here at noon to go backwards.

3924
02:42:10,640 --> 02:42:13,520
Sandwiches have names on them. Um and

3925
02:42:13,520 --> 02:42:14,800
then of course we have refreshments and

3926
02:42:14,800 --> 02:42:16,240
drinks out and you're welcome to sit

3927
02:42:16,240 --> 02:42:17,120
here.

3928
02:42:17,120 --> 02:42:18,399
>> There's not tables out there but there

3929
02:42:18,399 --> 02:42:19,840
is benches welcome to

3930
02:42:19,840 --> 02:42:21,600
>> and our recording has stopped. I will

3931
02:42:21,600 --> 02:42:22,640
turn it off right now. [clears throat]

3932
02:42:22,640 --> 02:42:25,120
Can I just add a parking lot thing

3933
02:42:25,120 --> 02:42:27,439
before we go on on our main page where

3934
02:42:27,439 --> 02:42:30,319
we go back to look at our scores?

3935
02:42:30,319 --> 02:42:33,120
>> I don't know if you are allowed to move

3936
02:42:33,120 --> 02:42:35,040
them in the same order we're reviewing

3937
02:42:35,040 --> 02:42:37,120
them. I know they are on the small one,

3938
02:42:37,120 --> 02:42:39,760
but on the main

3939
02:42:39,760 --> 02:59:15,030
not right Yeah.

3940
02:59:15,040 --> 02:59:18,080
Okay, let's bring this to order.

3941
02:59:18,080 --> 02:59:21,439
>> Team, we're on to Oh, it's me again.

3942
02:59:21,439 --> 02:59:26,319
Okay. Utah Symphony, Utah Opera.

3943
02:59:26,319 --> 02:59:27,920
So

3944
02:59:27,920 --> 02:59:30,240
um generally the strengths and

3945
02:59:30,240 --> 02:59:32,160
weaknesses

3946
02:59:32,160 --> 02:59:34,160
some of these I think I wrote myself.

3947
02:59:34,160 --> 02:59:36,319
Okay. And observations

3948
02:59:36,319 --> 02:59:38,960
uh I went to I will say [clears throat]

3949
02:59:38,960 --> 02:59:41,200
I did two things. I met with the

3950
02:59:41,200 --> 02:59:43,520
executive director

3951
02:59:43,520 --> 02:59:46,000
um

3952
02:59:46,000 --> 02:59:48,720
and their business development person

3953
02:59:48,720 --> 02:59:51,520
and uh I think yeah another board member

3954
02:59:51,520 --> 02:59:53,680
back in May.

3955
02:59:53,680 --> 02:59:56,640
I also attended

3956
02:59:56,640 --> 02:59:58,399
uh

3957
02:59:58,399 --> 03:00:01,830
two events

3958
03:00:01,840 --> 03:00:03,680
and I was really impressed. I mean I've

3959
03:00:03,680 --> 03:00:05,760
always been impressed with a symphony.

3960
03:00:05,760 --> 03:00:07,920
Years ago they had the lollipops program

3961
03:00:07,920 --> 03:00:10,399
that we used to bring our family to

3962
03:00:10,399 --> 03:00:13,040
which is geared towards kids. Maybe some

3963
03:00:13,040 --> 03:00:14,560
others have done that and they continue

3964
03:00:14,560 --> 03:00:16,319
to do those things and they have

3965
03:00:16,319 --> 03:00:18,000
programming going on pretty much year

3966
03:00:18,000 --> 03:00:21,680
round. Um, as far as affordability is

3967
03:00:21,680 --> 03:00:25,359
concerned, I found they have you can go

3968
03:00:25,359 --> 03:00:27,439
to rehearsal programs.

3969
03:00:27,439 --> 03:00:30,080
>> So, I paid $19 to see I like classical

3970
03:00:30,080 --> 03:00:32,000
music. So, I went to see the Brookner

3971
03:00:32,000 --> 03:00:35,279
Symphony for 19 bucks, you know, general

3972
03:00:35,279 --> 03:00:37,600
admission like at 10:30 in the morning.

3973
03:00:37,600 --> 03:00:39,120
I thought, well, that's great, you know,

3974
03:00:39,120 --> 03:00:40,880
and it was pretty it was like the night

3975
03:00:40,880 --> 03:00:42,960
or two before their actual performance

3976
03:00:42,960 --> 03:00:44,960
and it's pretty on target with what they

3977
03:00:44,960 --> 03:00:46,479
were going to do. I thought, well,

3978
03:00:46,479 --> 03:00:48,240
that's pretty affordable. And then

3979
03:00:48,240 --> 03:00:49,600
they've got a whole bunch of packages

3980
03:00:49,600 --> 03:00:52,640
and so on. I already mentioned about the

3981
03:00:52,640 --> 03:00:55,439
board. They have 47 board members of

3982
03:00:55,439 --> 03:00:57,200
different tiers and there's a lot of

3983
03:00:57,200 --> 03:01:00,160
give get. It's pretty expensive to be on

3984
03:01:00,160 --> 03:01:00,800
the board.

3985
03:01:00,800 --> 03:01:01,520
>> Very

3986
03:01:01,520 --> 03:01:03,359
>> maybe a little bit intimidating frankly

3987
03:01:03,359 --> 03:01:05,840
to try to be on the board. Some of them

3988
03:01:05,840 --> 03:01:07,520
are some of the board members are from

3989
03:01:07,520 --> 03:01:09,200
the largest corporations. So some of

3990
03:01:09,200 --> 03:01:12,319
those board members are uh I think you

3991
03:01:12,319 --> 03:01:14,800
know their organizations are

3992
03:01:14,800 --> 03:01:16,720
compensating for their board position on

3993
03:01:16,720 --> 03:01:19,600
that. Um

3994
03:01:19,600 --> 03:01:21,600
and it's almost all exclusively a

3995
03:01:21,600 --> 03:01:25,279
district one and four and uh so I think

3996
03:01:25,279 --> 03:01:27,279
you know with the 47 board members can't

3997
03:01:27,279 --> 03:01:30,399
they do more to you know diversify that

3998
03:01:30,399 --> 03:01:33,040
and then the programming too um they

3999
03:01:33,040 --> 03:01:34,720
have a lot of outreach but again the

4000
03:01:34,720 --> 03:01:37,040
activities I think are centered on

4001
03:01:37,040 --> 03:01:39,120
bringing people to the venue. Another

4002
03:01:39,120 --> 03:01:41,120
issue is that their venue is up for

4003
03:01:41,120 --> 03:01:42,640
grabs because there's going to be

4004
03:01:42,640 --> 03:01:44,399
redevelopment down in Salt Lake starting

4005
03:01:44,399 --> 03:01:45,760
next year. So they're a little bit

4006
03:01:45,760 --> 03:01:46,960
concerned about where they're going to

4007
03:01:46,960 --> 03:01:50,319
go and perform. So maybe they'll perform

4008
03:01:50,319 --> 03:01:51,920
here. Maybe they'll go to the Murray

4009
03:01:51,920 --> 03:01:54,319
Theater. I don't know. [laughter]

4010
03:01:54,319 --> 03:01:54,960
>> It could,

4011
03:01:54,960 --> 03:01:57,520
>> but uh you know those possibilities, but

4012
03:01:57,520 --> 03:02:00,720
generally it's you know an excellent um

4013
03:02:00,720 --> 03:02:03,120
I mean [snorts] every every city of Node

4014
03:02:03,120 --> 03:02:04,560
has to have a symphony. They're a

4015
03:02:04,560 --> 03:02:08,240
terrific symphony. I was um it's not

4016
03:02:08,240 --> 03:02:10,880
really reflected here in the comments. I

4017
03:02:10,880 --> 03:02:12,640
think they're still if I were to compare

4018
03:02:12,640 --> 03:02:14,319
them ballet west they're still working

4019
03:02:14,319 --> 03:02:17,680
on their metrics trying to understand

4020
03:02:17,680 --> 03:02:19,040
in fact [snorts]

4021
03:02:19,040 --> 03:02:21,920
um I gauge this to a couple of people I

4022
03:02:21,920 --> 03:02:23,680
would ask follow-up questions and I said

4023
03:02:23,680 --> 03:02:25,040
in particular they were talking about

4024
03:02:25,040 --> 03:02:26,560
trying a lot of different programming

4025
03:02:26,560 --> 03:02:28,560
contemporary programming you may have

4026
03:02:28,560 --> 03:02:30,640
noticed that they've got the orchestra

4027
03:02:30,640 --> 03:02:34,000
playing along with uh films and doing a

4028
03:02:34,000 --> 03:02:35,840
bunch of eclectic kinds of things and I

4029
03:02:35,840 --> 03:02:38,560
said I asked them and I wrote to them I

4030
03:02:38,560 --> 03:02:40,640
said would you please inform inform me

4031
03:02:40,640 --> 03:02:43,040
of what success you're having with that.

4032
03:02:43,040 --> 03:02:44,560
I didn't get any response to it. So,

4033
03:02:44,560 --> 03:02:46,479
that's a little bit of a ding to me

4034
03:02:46,479 --> 03:02:48,319
>> that maybe they either don't have it or

4035
03:02:48,319 --> 03:02:49,680
they don't think it's important because

4036
03:02:49,680 --> 03:02:51,040
the application doesn't necessarily

4037
03:02:51,040 --> 03:02:52,560
emphasize that they should know more

4038
03:02:52,560 --> 03:02:53,680
about that.

4039
03:02:53,680 --> 03:02:55,359
>> You know, you ask Ballet West or a

4040
03:02:55,359 --> 03:02:57,279
couple others, they really try to on it.

4041
03:02:57,279 --> 03:02:58,800
They can tell you, yeah, our

4042
03:02:58,800 --> 03:03:01,600
contemporary program series is done a

4043
03:03:01,600 --> 03:03:04,080
lot to bring in 20somes, you know, to

4044
03:03:04,080 --> 03:03:06,479
make this not just about old people, you

4045
03:03:06,479 --> 03:03:09,520
know, coming to see the symphony, but uh

4046
03:03:09,520 --> 03:03:11,520
the performances they have first rate,

4047
03:03:11,520 --> 03:03:14,160
the talent is just terrific. Their

4048
03:03:14,160 --> 03:03:18,640
ability to to do all kinds of uh types

4049
03:03:18,640 --> 03:03:20,880
of performances and genres is really

4050
03:03:20,880 --> 03:03:22,160
impressive. You know, they'll do

4051
03:03:22,160 --> 03:03:24,319
Beatles, they'll do I mean, it's just is

4052
03:03:24,319 --> 03:03:26,720
really terrific. So, but where they go

4053
03:03:26,720 --> 03:03:28,560
in terms of the venues in the future, I

4054
03:03:28,560 --> 03:03:29,920
think they're still trying to sort that

4055
03:03:29,920 --> 03:03:31,359
out and that goes to a scenario

4056
03:03:31,359 --> 03:03:33,120
planning. There was a lot of discussion

4057
03:03:33,120 --> 03:03:34,800
back in May about that and I'm not sure

4058
03:03:34,800 --> 03:03:36,319
they've made much progress on that. You

4059
03:03:36,319 --> 03:03:37,600
would think that they because it's been

4060
03:03:37,600 --> 03:03:41,812
coming for a couple years already. So,

4061
03:03:41,812 --> 03:03:42,000
[clears throat]

4062
03:03:42,000 --> 03:03:44,000
>> that's it. Anybody have anything?

4063
03:03:44,000 --> 03:03:46,080
>> I had a question. So,

4064
03:03:46,080 --> 03:03:49,439
>> the needed to draw cash cash reserves

4065
03:03:49,439 --> 03:03:51,359
>> um without I I that was one of my

4066
03:03:51,359 --> 03:03:52,880
comments. I don't know if anyone else

4067
03:03:52,880 --> 03:03:55,040
commented that, but did they explain

4068
03:03:55,040 --> 03:03:56,720
what that was? I

4069
03:03:56,720 --> 03:03:58,399
>> I just didn't know if I missed it in the

4070
03:03:58,399 --> 03:04:00,240
application.

4071
03:04:00,240 --> 03:04:04,630
It's the third bullet on the weaknesses.

4072
03:04:04,640 --> 03:04:06,160
It was just the briefly mentioned in the

4073
03:04:06,160 --> 03:04:09,120
application. I don't Okay, sorry.

4074
03:04:09,120 --> 03:04:11,200
>> Tori didn't say it was inaccurate.

4075
03:04:11,200 --> 03:04:12,399
>> It was not inaccurate.

4076
03:04:12,399 --> 03:04:14,080
>> It was inaccurate, but we don't have the

4077
03:04:14,080 --> 03:04:15,279
specifics.

4078
03:04:15,279 --> 03:04:16,479
>> She didn't say that she had questions

4079
03:04:16,479 --> 03:04:18,319
about it or was confused. She was

4080
03:04:18,319 --> 03:04:20,479
>> Okay. I did attend their tour that they

4081
03:04:20,479 --> 03:04:23,520
did for um the celebration there. I

4082
03:04:23,520 --> 03:04:25,120
don't know how many hundred at the

4083
03:04:25,120 --> 03:04:27,279
capital and that was well attended.

4084
03:04:27,279 --> 03:04:28,640
There were thousands of people there. I

4085
03:04:28,640 --> 03:04:30,960
think it exceeded um the numbers they

4086
03:04:30,960 --> 03:04:32,160
were expecting. I know I reached out to

4087
03:04:32,160 --> 03:04:33,840
I think it was stamped because I had

4088
03:04:33,840 --> 03:04:36,479
RSVPd on their online system for tickets

4089
03:04:36,479 --> 03:04:38,720
and I never got anything back. So then I

4090
03:04:38,720 --> 03:04:41,120
went ahead and RSVP again because it was

4091
03:04:41,120 --> 03:04:42,399
although it was free, they just I think

4092
03:04:42,399 --> 03:04:44,000
they wanted to get like a headcount or

4093
03:04:44,000 --> 03:04:46,800
manage crowds. I just got back. So, I

4094
03:04:46,800 --> 03:04:49,040
was a little confused and I reached out

4095
03:04:49,040 --> 03:04:50,560
to Gary and said, "Oh, yeah, just, you

4096
03:04:50,560 --> 03:04:53,200
know, someone over." But I wasn't. The

4097
03:04:53,200 --> 03:04:55,120
performance was amazing. It was packed.

4098
03:04:55,120 --> 03:04:57,439
There were um people from the governor's

4099
03:04:57,439 --> 03:04:59,040
office there. There were people from

4100
03:04:59,040 --> 03:05:00,560
like the mayor's like Salt Lake City

4101
03:05:00,560 --> 03:05:02,880
mayor's office and just people just

4102
03:05:02,880 --> 03:05:05,040
enjoying with their family like out on

4103
03:05:05,040 --> 03:05:06,240
the lawn. Just thousands.

4104
03:05:06,240 --> 03:05:08,319
>> Well, they do. Uh so, the other thing I

4105
03:05:08,319 --> 03:05:10,960
was and I wondered about

4106
03:05:10,960 --> 03:05:12,960
they I mean they do a huge summer series

4107
03:05:12,960 --> 03:05:14,800
in Deer Valley.

4108
03:05:14,800 --> 03:05:16,880
Um, I'm [clears throat] not sure they're

4109
03:05:16,880 --> 03:05:18,640
doing such a series like at the Sandy

4110
03:05:18,640 --> 03:05:20,560
Amphitheater or some other places.

4111
03:05:20,560 --> 03:05:22,960
>> They do one free concert at the Sandy

4112
03:05:22,960 --> 03:05:24,640
Amphitheater usually every year.

4113
03:05:24,640 --> 03:05:25,120
>> They do.

4114
03:05:25,120 --> 03:05:26,640
>> Yeah.

4115
03:05:26,640 --> 03:05:31,359
>> I wonder if the Daybreak new go Larry H.

4116
03:05:31,359 --> 03:05:34,800
Miller Center might be helpful for their

4117
03:05:34,800 --> 03:05:37,359
space issue. I don't know. I don't know

4118
03:05:37,359 --> 03:05:39,680
what the actual size of that is going to

4119
03:05:39,680 --> 03:05:42,000
be comparative to this because this is

4120
03:05:42,000 --> 03:05:44,640
the model for that center.

4121
03:05:44,640 --> 03:05:45,359
>> Okay.

4122
03:05:45,359 --> 03:05:46,479
>> But I don't know how it's going to

4123
03:05:46,479 --> 03:05:48,240
compare. Does anybody in staff happen to

4124
03:05:48,240 --> 03:05:48,560
know?

4125
03:05:48,560 --> 03:05:49,920
>> I live right next to that and it's going

4126
03:05:49,920 --> 03:05:51,359
up really. It looks like it's going up

4127
03:05:51,359 --> 03:05:52,560
pretty fast.

4128
03:05:52,560 --> 03:05:55,120
>> Yeah. The main stage is 800 seats.

4129
03:05:55,120 --> 03:05:57,359
>> Okay. Versus our 500. Oh yeah, Matt,

4130
03:05:57,359 --> 03:05:58,708
you're here. You wouldn't know.

4131
03:05:58,708 --> 03:05:59,439
[laughter]

4132
03:05:59,439 --> 03:06:01,200
>> This is an option.

4133
03:06:01,200 --> 03:06:04,160
>> Yeah, that will open in 20 follow 2028.

4134
03:06:04,160 --> 03:06:05,120
So

4135
03:06:05,120 --> 03:06:08,160
>> has C symphony approached staff uh about

4136
03:06:08,160 --> 03:06:09,920
venues in the future other county

4137
03:06:09,920 --> 03:06:15,269
alternatives they're working on that

4138
03:06:15,279 --> 03:06:16,640
» county is really helping shepherd them

4139
03:06:16,640 --> 03:06:18,000
to find different places they're hoping

4140
03:06:18,000 --> 03:06:20,880
to find some we understand

4141
03:06:20,880 --> 03:06:23,200
I had a chance of their executives and

4142
03:06:23,200 --> 03:06:24,880
they mentioned that maybe their artistic

4143
03:06:24,880 --> 03:06:28,560
people will find an opportunity to um

4144
03:06:28,560 --> 03:06:30,560
find some silver lining about new

4145
03:06:30,560 --> 03:06:32,160
audiences with these different locations

4146
03:06:32,160 --> 03:06:34,880
and learn some new things So,

4147
03:06:34,880 --> 03:06:36,880
>> can they can they be mobile? I mean, can

4148
03:06:36,880 --> 03:06:39,120
they bring the orchestra to different

4149
03:06:39,120 --> 03:06:39,840
places? Very

4150
03:06:39,840 --> 03:06:41,359
>> They do. They go to the community

4151
03:06:41,359 --> 03:06:43,680
college, they go to the amphitheater.

4152
03:06:43,680 --> 03:06:46,000
And I think maybe that's the option too.

4153
03:06:46,000 --> 03:06:49,200
Can you do more just wind? Can you do

4154
03:06:49,200 --> 03:06:50,960
>> right? Can you segment even just

4155
03:06:50,960 --> 03:06:53,040
portions of the orchestra to fill some

4156
03:06:53,040 --> 03:06:54,800
of these other venues?

4157
03:06:54,800 --> 03:06:56,240
>> I know that some members of the

4158
03:06:56,240 --> 03:06:57,760
orchestra do have their own private

4159
03:06:57,760 --> 03:06:59,439
breakout groups that we do. like one of

4160
03:06:59,439 --> 03:07:01,200
them they have a they do classical music

4161
03:07:01,200 --> 03:07:03,439
at bars to make it a more casual like

4162
03:07:03,439 --> 03:07:04,880
but that's not part of the symphony

4163
03:07:04,880 --> 03:07:06,479
that's just they're just friends

4164
03:07:06,479 --> 03:07:08,160
>> but there are opportunities for them do

4165
03:07:08,160 --> 03:07:10,720
that to spread the county and do

4166
03:07:10,720 --> 03:07:11,840
>> the county is partnering with them

4167
03:07:11,840 --> 03:07:14,160
that's Matt's thing but uh partnering

4168
03:07:14,160 --> 03:07:16,479
with them to find possible locations

4169
03:07:16,479 --> 03:07:18,560
when's closed and so

4170
03:07:18,560 --> 03:07:20,880
>> I know our time is up people want to

4171
03:07:20,880 --> 03:07:24,000
adjust their scores

4172
03:07:24,000 --> 03:07:26,000
>> 13.6 six. We've got them listed as

4173
03:07:26,000 --> 03:07:27,600
strong. And then [clears throat] it

4174
03:07:27,600 --> 03:07:29,120
sounds like all the comments are okay.

4175
03:07:29,120 --> 03:07:30,640
We added we'll add some obviously from

4176
03:07:30,640 --> 03:07:33,439
the discussion, but comments are okay.

4177
03:07:33,439 --> 03:07:35,040
>> Okay, that wraps up the second

4178
03:07:35,040 --> 03:07:38,399
discipline. That was music

4179
03:07:38,399 --> 03:07:41,200
and we will move on. Oh, look at that.

4180
03:07:41,200 --> 03:07:43,600
You've been the timer [laughter]

4181
03:07:43,600 --> 03:07:45,840
>> under the bar. I feel like balloons

4182
03:07:45,840 --> 03:07:47,600
should jump from the ceiling when

4183
03:07:47,600 --> 03:07:50,720
>> first time for everything.

4184
03:07:50,720 --> 03:07:52,680
>> Don't worry.

4185
03:07:52,680 --> 03:07:56,070
[laughter]

4186
03:07:56,080 --> 03:07:57,840
» I should have known better. I just said

4187
03:07:57,840 --> 03:07:59,359
leave it up to Cody.

4188
03:07:59,359 --> 03:08:01,200
>> Starlight Film Society next.

4189
03:08:01,200 --> 03:08:03,279
>> So just two in the media arts and that

4190
03:08:03,279 --> 03:08:05,520
one is

4191
03:08:05,520 --> 03:08:09,055
uh looks like Andrea. That's me.

4192
03:08:09,055 --> 03:08:09,359
[clears throat]

4193
03:08:09,359 --> 03:08:11,040
>> Yeah.

4194
03:08:11,040 --> 03:08:12,080
>> I'm ready to go.

4195
03:08:12,080 --> 03:08:13,680
>> I'm ready. Let's go.

4196
03:08:13,680 --> 03:08:16,720
>> All right. So, Salt Lake Film Society,

4197
03:08:16,720 --> 03:08:19,760
um I actually attended their board

4198
03:08:19,760 --> 03:08:22,000
meeting just prior to going to one of

4199
03:08:22,000 --> 03:08:24,720
their film screenings

4200
03:08:24,720 --> 03:08:28,640
and it was nice to see um the board

4201
03:08:28,640 --> 03:08:30,880
turnout in person was pretty good. They

4202
03:08:30,880 --> 03:08:33,200
had a few people uh who weren't able to

4203
03:08:33,200 --> 03:08:34,479
be there because they were working on

4204
03:08:34,479 --> 03:08:40,160
projects. Um, so it's uh good to see the working relationship that the

4205
03:08:40,160 --> 03:08:42,399
executive director had with the board

4206
03:08:42,399 --> 03:08:45,600
members and kind of their interest in

4207
03:08:45,600 --> 03:08:48,399
um their new venue that they're they're

4208
03:08:48,399 --> 03:08:50,319
working on the tower and funding and

4209
03:08:50,319 --> 03:08:52,319
raising funds for that and and putting

4210
03:08:52,319 --> 03:08:55,200
all of their efforts into that. They do

4211
03:08:55,200 --> 03:08:57,200
have a few board members who are

4212
03:08:57,200 --> 03:08:59,279
outgoing who have served for quite a

4213
03:08:59,279 --> 03:09:02,479
long time and um they're ready to just

4214
03:09:02,479 --> 03:09:04,240
uh step away, but I think they wanted to

4215
03:09:04,240 --> 03:09:06,080
just get through that COVID transition

4216
03:09:06,080 --> 03:09:08,399
and and get to

4217
03:09:08,399 --> 03:09:10,880
um a good place that way. Um I was

4218
03:09:10,880 --> 03:09:12,640
really impressed with their renovations.

4219
03:09:12,640 --> 03:09:17,279
They did um use um reached out to a

4220
03:09:17,279 --> 03:09:20,080
Japanese believe it was company to do

4221
03:09:20,080 --> 03:09:22,479
sustainable. So they redid revamped the

4222
03:09:22,479 --> 03:09:24,880
interior of the theater. did everything

4223
03:09:24,880 --> 03:09:26,399
so it's sustainable. So, for example,

4224
03:09:26,399 --> 03:09:27,760
like the carpets that they're using are

4225
03:09:27,760 --> 03:09:30,319
recycled, made from recycled um plastic

4226
03:09:30,319 --> 03:09:33,040
water bottles, uh the seating and stuff

4227
03:09:33,040 --> 03:09:36,160
like that. Everything that could be done

4228
03:09:36,160 --> 03:09:38,136
in a sustainable way. They feel like

4229
03:09:38,136 --> 03:09:39,200
[clears throat] it's kind of like a a

4230
03:09:39,200 --> 03:09:43,040
model for other theaters to look towards

4231
03:09:43,040 --> 03:09:47,279
forwards to. Um the film that I saw was

4232
03:09:47,279 --> 03:09:50,080
very well done. It was I chose to do it

4233
03:09:50,080 --> 03:09:53,520
through pick the Polynesian one. So they

4234
03:09:53,520 --> 03:09:56,160
offer um they kind of do this like

4235
03:09:56,160 --> 03:09:57,439
cultural representation. I think they

4236
03:09:57,439 --> 03:09:59,680
have Ukrainian, Polynesian is one and

4237
03:09:59,680 --> 03:10:01,600
they work with those specific programs

4238
03:10:01,600 --> 03:10:03,840
to bring that type of film there. I

4239
03:10:03,840 --> 03:10:05,359
thought the film was done really well.

4240
03:10:05,359 --> 03:10:08,800
They also had a panelist very well done

4241
03:10:08,800 --> 03:10:11,120
and a lot of the Osher people were there

4242
03:10:11,120 --> 03:10:13,040
for that film screening. So it was good

4243
03:10:13,040 --> 03:10:16,880
to see kind of that space filled in. um

4244
03:10:16,880 --> 03:10:18,240
the gentleman that they chose, he works

4245
03:10:18,240 --> 03:10:20,479
in mental health. And so the film had to

4246
03:10:20,479 --> 03:10:24,319
do a lot with mental health and um just

4247
03:10:24,319 --> 03:10:27,439
a very respectful way of answering those

4248
03:10:27,439 --> 03:10:28,880
questions and kind of that back and

4249
03:10:28,880 --> 03:10:30,640
forth dialogue. So that's kind of unique

4250
03:10:30,640 --> 03:10:33,520
to them, you know, for a different film

4251
03:10:33,520 --> 03:10:37,087
setting. Now, she did mention um

4252
03:10:37,087 --> 03:10:40,319
[clears throat] let me think quick um

4253
03:10:40,319 --> 03:10:41,600
they did invite members from the

4254
03:10:41,600 --> 03:10:42,960
Polynesian community. They were

4255
03:10:42,960 --> 03:10:44,560
represented there. So they did they did

4256
03:10:44,560 --> 03:10:46,000
have a lot of coordination there. So

4257
03:10:46,000 --> 03:10:50,000
that was really nice to see. Um in

4258
03:10:50,000 --> 03:10:51,680
speaking with the executive director,

4259
03:10:51,680 --> 03:10:53,600
she did have her Zap signage. It was

4260
03:10:53,600 --> 03:10:57,920
really nice. Posted very prominently. Um

4261
03:10:57,920 --> 03:11:00,080
they do have a good volunteer base that

4262
03:11:00,080 --> 03:11:01,760
uh their volunteers very loyal to them.

4263
03:11:01,760 --> 03:11:04,000
They treat their volunteers well um as

4264
03:11:04,000 --> 03:11:05,279
you're coming in. Those are the people

4265
03:11:05,279 --> 03:11:07,279
that are kind of taking your tickets are

4266
03:11:07,279 --> 03:11:09,680
the volunteers, very very knowledgeable.

4267
03:11:09,680 --> 03:11:11,200
Um

4268
03:11:11,200 --> 03:11:14,640
so that was nice to see. I felt like

4269
03:11:14,640 --> 03:11:17,200
um

4270
03:11:17,200 --> 03:11:19,120
she did mention that it's a little bit

4271
03:11:19,120 --> 03:11:21,359
challenging to do marketing and or like

4272
03:11:21,359 --> 03:11:23,760
kind of in a sense because they don't

4273
03:11:23,760 --> 03:11:27,120
have the ability to plan ahead like do

4274
03:11:27,120 --> 03:11:28,800
the same thing that Ballet West would do

4275
03:11:28,800 --> 03:11:30,479
or the Utah Symphony would do and those

4276
03:11:30,479 --> 03:11:32,000
are kind of examples that she used like

4277
03:11:32,000 --> 03:11:33,920
oh they know their programming a few

4278
03:11:33,920 --> 03:11:35,680
years in advance whereas us it's just

4279
03:11:35,680 --> 03:11:39,359
happening in such a quick

4280
03:11:39,359 --> 03:11:41,200
>> turnover time because that's just the

4281
03:11:41,200 --> 03:11:42,720
nature of the industry. like the way

4282
03:11:42,720 --> 03:11:44,240
that films come in and stuff like that.

4283
03:11:44,240 --> 03:11:48,080
They do have a lot of um movies going on

4284
03:11:48,080 --> 03:11:49,680
at the same time too.

4285
03:11:49,680 --> 03:11:51,680
>> So, and I tried to ask about like

4286
03:11:51,680 --> 03:11:54,960
attendance and numbers and how is this

4287
03:11:54,960 --> 03:11:56,080
going and I think they're still trying

4288
03:11:56,080 --> 03:11:57,600
to build up that

4289
03:11:57,600 --> 03:12:04,870
>> the metrics partic

4290
03:12:04,880 --> 03:12:07,520
I have a question. Has the conversation

4291
03:12:07,520 --> 03:12:10,640
come up why they're trying to I mean I

4292
03:12:10,640 --> 03:12:12,800
go to both but why are they trying to

4293
03:12:12,800 --> 03:12:16,080
sustain these programs in two different

4294
03:12:16,080 --> 03:12:18,880
venues? It seems to me that far apart.

4295
03:12:18,880 --> 03:12:21,200
>> Yeah, that's one of the

4296
03:12:21,200 --> 03:12:23,120
>> question because it's the same almost

4297
03:12:23,120 --> 03:12:25,600
the same location.

4298
03:12:25,600 --> 03:12:28,000
Yeah, I noticed that too and I honestly

4299
03:12:28,000 --> 03:12:30,160
don't have

4300
03:12:30,160 --> 03:12:31,439
>> an answer and I don't think that that

4301
03:12:31,439 --> 03:12:32,960
was brought up. I was kind of listening

4302
03:12:32,960 --> 03:12:35,439
to that before. Although they're really

4303
03:12:35,439 --> 03:12:38,080
excited to have the tower and it's any

4304
03:12:38,080 --> 03:12:39,760
treasure and symbol.

4305
03:12:39,760 --> 03:12:41,040
>> Yeah.

4306
03:12:41,040 --> 03:12:45,840
>> They I I attended a um a preview of the

4307
03:12:45,840 --> 03:12:48,640
tower renovation of capital campaign

4308
03:12:48,640 --> 03:12:53,680
effort and um they they are want to add

4309
03:12:53,680 --> 03:12:55,439
new levels to the building and

4310
03:12:55,439 --> 03:12:56,319
>> at the tower.

4311
03:12:56,319 --> 03:12:58,479
>> Yeah. For event space. So they see it as

4312
03:12:58,479 --> 03:13:00,880
a revenue opportunity. They also want to

4313
03:13:00,880 --> 03:13:03,840
do some smaller mini theaters that you

4314
03:13:03,840 --> 03:13:07,359
can rent out for private events. So like

4315
03:13:07,359 --> 03:13:10,000
you know your 15 closest friends and

4316
03:13:10,000 --> 03:13:12,080
have a little party and watch.

4317
03:13:12,080 --> 03:13:12,399
>> So

4318
03:13:12,399 --> 03:13:14,080
>> they own that building, right?

4319
03:13:14,080 --> 03:13:14,479
>> Uhhuh.

4320
03:13:14,479 --> 03:13:17,200
>> But they don't own the the Broadway.

4321
03:13:17,200 --> 03:13:17,840
>> No.

4322
03:13:17,840 --> 03:13:19,680
>> So that's a lease situation in the

4323
03:13:19,680 --> 03:13:21,200
Broadway,

4324
03:13:21,200 --> 03:13:22,720
>> right?

4325
03:13:22,720 --> 03:13:24,960
>> Which might mean a permanent homes not

4326
03:13:24,960 --> 03:13:27,279
so permanent in the Broadway.

4327
03:13:27,279 --> 03:13:28,720
>> I felt like the location was good

4328
03:13:28,720 --> 03:13:29,200
though.

4329
03:13:29,200 --> 03:13:30,160
>> No.

4330
03:13:30,160 --> 03:13:32,160
location is such [clears throat] an

4331
03:13:32,160 --> 03:13:36,080
issue downtown. So that is road trips

4332
03:13:36,080 --> 03:13:39,439
>> and then partnership with oer too.

4333
03:13:39,439 --> 03:13:40,800
>> What is oer?

4334
03:13:40,800 --> 03:13:45,200
>> Um it's partner university round up for

4335
03:13:45,200 --> 03:13:49,040
like a population. So they

4336
03:13:49,040 --> 03:13:50,399
oer

4337
03:13:50,399 --> 03:13:51,680
>> they were a grantee. It's actually

4338
03:13:51,680 --> 03:13:53,359
grantee not this year but they have in

4339
03:13:53,359 --> 03:13:55,359
the past and they help with the age and

4340
03:13:55,359 --> 03:13:57,439
publication. Um I went to a very

4341
03:13:57,439 --> 03:13:59,359
commercial film not too long ago. Um,

4342
03:13:59,359 --> 03:14:00,479
what's the one that just came out? It

4343
03:14:00,479 --> 03:14:01,920
was big. It was commercial.

4344
03:14:01,920 --> 03:14:02,399
>> Odyssey.

4345
03:14:02,399 --> 03:14:04,720
I hadn't been there in a really

4346
03:14:04,720 --> 03:14:06,560
long time. I did notice a lot of Zap

4347
03:14:06,560 --> 03:14:08,720
promotion. Um, even in their even like

4348
03:14:08,720 --> 03:14:10,960
while you're sitting there. Sorry.

4349
03:14:10,960 --> 03:14:13,040
Broadway. Wait.

4350
03:14:13,040 --> 03:14:15,680
>> Yeah. Um, and some things I noticed they

4351
03:14:15,680 --> 03:14:17,200
have. It's everywhere. It's it's on big

4352
03:14:17,200 --> 03:14:19,359
signs, small signs, doorways, everything

4353
03:14:19,359 --> 03:14:22,080
that the divide the screens say it up

4354
03:14:22,080 --> 03:14:23,680
there more than one time.

4355
03:14:23,680 --> 03:14:25,279
>> Um, I thought that was a different

4356
03:14:25,279 --> 03:14:26,479
experience. I think their volunteers

4357
03:14:26,479 --> 03:14:27,600
make it a different experience. It's not

4358
03:14:27,600 --> 03:14:28,720
just somebody waiting on you to hand you

4359
03:14:28,720 --> 03:14:30,160
a thing of popcorn. They really want you

4360
03:14:30,160 --> 03:14:31,840
to feel comfortable there.

4361
03:14:31,840 --> 03:14:33,439
>> I was going to suggest that same thing.

4362
03:14:33,439 --> 03:14:35,040
I think when volunteer programs are

4363
03:14:35,040 --> 03:14:37,359
exceptional. We need to note that for

4364
03:14:37,359 --> 03:14:37,840
that.

4365
03:14:37,840 --> 03:14:39,840
>> It was great. Like we they were like,

4366
03:14:39,840 --> 03:14:41,439
"Well, where's your parking?" And I was

4367
03:14:41,439 --> 03:14:43,520
like, "Where's your parking? Like you

4368
03:14:43,520 --> 03:14:45,040
get free parking." I was like,

4369
03:14:45,040 --> 03:14:46,319
>> "I don't know. It's in the car." And he

4370
03:14:46,319 --> 03:14:48,000
said, "Go run up, get it before we close

4371
03:14:48,000 --> 03:14:48,479
the doors."

4372
03:14:48,479 --> 03:14:48,960
>> Yeah.

4373
03:14:48,960 --> 03:14:50,239
>> And I was like, "Unlock the doors."

4374
03:14:50,239 --> 03:14:51,920
Because they locked, which I I'd love.

4375
03:14:51,920 --> 03:14:53,600
But uh it's just really interesting that

4376
03:14:53,600 --> 03:14:54,720
it's just a different experience that

4377
03:14:54,720 --> 03:14:56,800
their volunteers make you feel like you

4378
03:14:56,800 --> 03:14:58,080
belong cuz I was like I don't belong

4379
03:14:58,080 --> 03:14:59,760
here. Like I don't I'm not such a film

4380
03:14:59,760 --> 03:15:01,520
buff. I don't know how all this works.

4381
03:15:01,520 --> 03:15:03,040
Everybody's worked for Sundance lives in

4382
03:15:03,040 --> 03:15:04,800
Utah, but I did my one season and that

4383
03:15:04,800 --> 03:15:06,000
was it. Right.

4384
03:15:06,000 --> 03:15:07,439
>> Um and they just I don't know just it

4385
03:15:07,439 --> 03:15:08,720
was a different experience than making

4386
03:15:08,720 --> 03:15:10,160
sure you're you're getting your stuff

4387
03:15:10,160 --> 03:15:11,760
and getting in on time and which theater

4388
03:15:11,760 --> 03:15:14,160
it's at and parking and again the the

4389
03:15:14,160 --> 03:15:16,000
signage was really solid for us.

4390
03:15:16,000 --> 03:15:16,399
>> Yeah.

4391
03:15:16,399 --> 03:15:18,000
>> And did you understand what the living

4392
03:15:18,000 --> 03:15:20,960
villa living building challenge is? So I

4393
03:15:20,960 --> 03:15:23,520
didn't understand that what you just

4394
03:15:23,520 --> 03:15:25,760
talked about.

4395
03:15:25,760 --> 03:15:27,200
>> That's what they mean.

4396
03:15:27,200 --> 03:15:30,560
>> It's it's beyond that actually. It um is

4397
03:15:30,560 --> 03:15:35,520
it's like beyond lead um it is um

4398
03:15:35,520 --> 03:15:37,520
intended to be like a community center

4399
03:15:37,520 --> 03:15:39,359
in the case of an emergency and stuff

4400
03:15:39,359 --> 03:15:40,640
like that

4401
03:15:40,640 --> 03:15:43,120
>> and and and kind of a community

4402
03:15:43,120 --> 03:15:45,600
building. I didn't understand that from

4403
03:15:45,600 --> 03:15:47,680
what I read, but

4404
03:15:47,680 --> 03:15:50,080
>> I I thought that was a little unclear,

4405
03:15:50,080 --> 03:15:54,560
but I think this um I have a question of

4406
03:15:54,560 --> 03:15:58,239
if they've talked about Sundance and s

4407
03:15:58,239 --> 03:16:00,640
affecting their sustainability.

4408
03:16:00,640 --> 03:16:03,680
>> Yeah. Um, I think it

4409
03:16:03,680 --> 03:16:05,680
from what I remember they said that it

4410
03:16:05,680 --> 03:16:08,560
did, but it's also like that's why

4411
03:16:08,560 --> 03:16:10,160
they're they feel like they're an

4412
03:16:10,160 --> 03:16:12,319
important have an important place in the

4413
03:16:12,319 --> 03:16:14,080
community and that they're now offering

4414
03:16:14,080 --> 03:16:17,600
that to filmmakers and to artists who

4415
03:16:17,600 --> 03:16:19,520
want to showcase their dance or who want

4416
03:16:19,520 --> 03:16:21,279
to make documentaries and have that

4417
03:16:21,279 --> 03:16:24,239
space to create. or sometimes they could

4418
03:16:24,239 --> 03:16:27,840
do that and now that's not so that's

4419
03:16:27,840 --> 03:16:30,640
>> that's like their role is going to be

4420
03:16:30,640 --> 03:16:33,040
>> love to see talking about zap

4421
03:16:33,040 --> 03:16:36,479
collaboration so say like spyhot needs

4422
03:16:36,479 --> 03:16:38,960
more venues to be able to work together

4423
03:16:38,960 --> 03:16:41,600
through their zap relationships

4424
03:16:41,600 --> 03:16:44,080
>> getting them again u mingling together

4425
03:16:44,080 --> 03:16:46,880
networking purposefully intentional tier

4426
03:16:46,880 --> 03:16:50,560
2 on their own disciplines it was 11.1

4427
03:16:50,560 --> 03:16:52,960
you listed them as adequate is that

4428
03:16:52,960 --> 03:16:54,319
staying the same? Does that need to

4429
03:16:54,319 --> 03:16:55,520
change? And then the comments, are there

4430
03:16:55,520 --> 03:16:56,720
all accurate? I think the comment that

4431
03:16:56,720 --> 03:16:58,080
you did talk about that was the third

4432
03:16:58,080 --> 03:16:59,520
second bullet point under board member

4433
03:16:59,520 --> 03:17:02,080
observations. I think you we listed it

4434
03:17:02,080 --> 03:17:03,520
well if you hope just saying it's

4435
03:17:03,520 --> 03:17:04,720
unclear. And so if they do share that

4436
03:17:04,720 --> 03:17:06,399
next year because I think it is a plus,

4437
03:17:06,399 --> 03:17:07,680
we they need to help the board

4438
03:17:07,680 --> 03:17:11,200
understand what it what it is and why to

4439
03:17:11,200 --> 03:17:13,760
right. I think what you're saying.

4440
03:17:13,760 --> 03:17:17,040
>> Anything else on that one?

4441
03:17:17,040 --> 03:17:20,560
>> Okay. The second modify my support. Oh,

4442
03:17:20,560 --> 03:17:23,120
okay. Go ahead.

4443
03:17:23,120 --> 03:17:28,000
Um a second and final for the um media

4444
03:17:28,000 --> 03:17:29,680
arts

4445
03:17:29,680 --> 03:17:32,239
film. Peter, that's you again.

4446
03:17:32,239 --> 03:17:35,200
>> Yeah. [clears throat] Okay.

4447
03:17:35,200 --> 03:17:39,830
So, let's see.

4448
03:17:39,840 --> 03:17:44,950
» Yeah.

4449
03:17:44,960 --> 03:17:47,760
» And want just to leave.

4450
03:17:47,760 --> 03:17:53,040
>> Oh, I'm so I'm so sorry. Yes. I'll let you know if you come back in.

4451
03:17:53,040 --> 03:17:53,279
Sorry,

4452
03:17:53,279 --> 03:17:55,941
>> Heidi, you have insider information.

4453
03:17:55,941 --> 03:17:58,389
[laughter]

4454
03:17:58,399 --> 03:18:03,840
So, uh, yeah, I, uh,

4455
03:18:03,840 --> 03:18:06,319
I reviewed them in my first or second

4456
03:18:06,319 --> 03:18:07,920
year

4457
03:18:07,920 --> 03:18:10,640
when they were nomads. In other words,

4458
03:18:10,640 --> 03:18:12,800
their screenings were in parks and other

4459
03:18:12,800 --> 03:18:14,319
venues. They didn't have their own

4460
03:18:14,319 --> 03:18:16,720
center. And last year, the year before

4461
03:18:16,720 --> 03:18:18,560
when they opened their own center, I was

4462
03:18:18,560 --> 03:18:21,600
a little skeptical like, okay, does that

4463
03:18:21,600 --> 03:18:22,800
mean you're not going to be out and

4464
03:18:22,800 --> 03:18:24,160
about in the county, which I thought was

4465
03:18:24,160 --> 03:18:26,000
a real advantage for them, you know, to

4466
03:18:26,000 --> 03:18:28,319
have these programs. But I came away

4467
03:18:28,319 --> 03:18:29,600
convinced. I went to their board

4468
03:18:29,600 --> 03:18:32,160
meeting. I met with Mariah Melis and

4469
03:18:32,160 --> 03:18:35,680
Megan Horn Her um you know, separately

4470
03:18:35,680 --> 03:18:37,920
and I've attended a few of their events.

4471
03:18:37,920 --> 03:18:39,827
They've done a magnificent job.

4472
03:18:39,827 --> 03:18:42,319
[clears throat] there in the four it's

4473
03:18:42,319 --> 03:18:47,279
on 400 South uh you know near the

4474
03:18:47,279 --> 03:18:48,640
west high school

4475
03:18:48,640 --> 03:18:49,600
>> born and north

4476
03:18:49,600 --> 03:18:51,760
>> born to north excuse me correct for the

4477
03:18:51,760 --> 03:18:52,399
north

4478
03:18:52,399 --> 03:18:54,960
>> near the west high school right so um

4479
03:18:54,960 --> 03:18:58,080
they've done a really nice job and they

4480
03:18:58,080 --> 03:18:59,920
created artist studios there for

4481
03:18:59,920 --> 03:19:01,680
filmmakers independent filmmakers they

4482
03:19:01,680 --> 03:19:03,600
collaborate with the spyhawk group which

4483
03:19:03,600 --> 03:19:06,160
is the the youth group so they have some

4484
03:19:06,160 --> 03:19:09,040
of them graduating from spyhop and now

4485
03:19:09,040 --> 03:19:11,359
continuing on with filmmakers. Um,

4486
03:19:11,359 --> 03:19:13,760
coincidentally, last night my wife and I

4487
03:19:13,760 --> 03:19:16,800
attended a film. I disclosure I joined

4488
03:19:16,800 --> 03:19:18,473
the movie.

4489
03:19:18,473 --> 03:19:19,359
[laughter]

4490
03:19:19,359 --> 03:19:22,160
So, last night we went and saw a film on

4491
03:19:22,160 --> 03:19:26,080
F1 student visas, international students

4492
03:19:26,080 --> 03:19:30,399
that was produced uh by a Taiwanese

4493
03:19:30,399 --> 03:19:32,640
woman who went to the University of

4494
03:19:32,640 --> 03:19:35,920
Utah. And it's, you know, uh,

4495
03:19:35,920 --> 03:19:38,560
chronicling their experiences. you know,

4496
03:19:38,560 --> 03:19:40,160
one was from Mali, one was from

4497
03:19:40,160 --> 03:19:42,640
Bangladesh, and they do a lot of these

4498
03:19:42,640 --> 03:19:44,880
films like that. They different voices,

4499
03:19:44,880 --> 03:19:46,720
different perspectives,

4500
03:19:46,720 --> 03:19:48,319
and I think it's a magnificent thing

4501
03:19:48,319 --> 03:19:50,160
they're doing. They've gotten pretty

4502
03:19:50,160 --> 03:19:52,160
sophisticated on the, you know,

4503
03:19:52,160 --> 03:19:54,000
combination of earn revenue and public

4504
03:19:54,000 --> 03:20:02,000
funding and so on and trying to use the film center as a place where uh uh

4505
03:20:02,000 --> 03:20:04,080
filmmakers can pay a modest amount to be

4506
03:20:04,080 --> 03:20:05,840
able to use their editing facilities and

4507
03:20:05,840 --> 03:20:10,720
also host events. um uh corporations go

4508
03:20:10,720 --> 03:20:13,600
and use as an event center. Uh I think

4509
03:20:13,600 --> 03:20:17,040
Zans is included in that Heidi's group.

4510
03:20:17,040 --> 03:20:19,439
So I think they've done a really good

4511
03:20:19,439 --> 03:20:21,760
job with that. And I I came away they're

4512
03:20:21,760 --> 03:20:25,040
still doing uh films in the parks. So

4513
03:20:25,040 --> 03:20:26,319
they're still doing some of those

4514
03:20:26,319 --> 03:20:31,840
things. at Liberty Park and um um I I

4515
03:20:31,840 --> 03:20:34,399
did I did I did encourage a

4516
03:20:34,399 --> 03:20:36,479
collaboration with Murray Theater, which

4517
03:20:36,479 --> 03:20:38,239
I think may come off, you know, because

4518
03:20:38,239 --> 03:20:39,120
they can,

4519
03:20:39,120 --> 03:20:43,200
>> you know, they're also looking for to to

4520
03:20:43,200 --> 03:20:46,080
uh create a coalition for festivals to

4521
03:20:46,080 --> 03:20:48,080
replace Sundance, you know, with

4522
03:20:48,080 --> 03:20:49,520
independent artists and bring other

4523
03:20:49,520 --> 03:20:51,840
artists in and producers and so on. They

4524
03:20:51,840 --> 03:20:55,279
do have an concern Journal Drifus who's

4525
03:20:55,279 --> 03:20:57,279
been a real force and founder for it.

4526
03:20:57,279 --> 03:20:59,120
She will probably be retired in the next

4527
03:20:59,120 --> 03:21:01,439
couple years. They've assured me she

4528
03:21:01,439 --> 03:21:03,840
goes to film festivals around the world

4529
03:21:03,840 --> 03:21:05,840
and from there they find producer money

4530
03:21:05,840 --> 03:21:09,040
and sponsors for some of the filmmakers.

4531
03:21:09,040 --> 03:21:11,279
They've assured me that now they have

4532
03:21:11,279 --> 03:21:13,040
some of their team tagging along with

4533
03:21:13,040 --> 03:21:14,960
her to get those introductions to

4534
03:21:14,960 --> 03:21:17,200
maintain those relationships. So they

4535
03:21:17,200 --> 03:21:20,880
are working on su succession planning in

4536
03:21:20,880 --> 03:21:22,924
that regard.

4537
03:21:22,924 --> 03:21:24,720
[clears throat] Can

4538
03:21:24,720 --> 03:21:27,120
>> I just piggy back on that? That is one

4539
03:21:27,120 --> 03:21:29,600
of those issues always when I looked at

4540
03:21:29,600 --> 03:21:31,760
this on sustainability.

4541
03:21:31,760 --> 03:21:33,920
>> The way they represented it in the

4542
03:21:33,920 --> 03:21:37,279
application I think really could be they

4543
03:21:37,279 --> 03:21:39,439
talked about her even though she's kind

4544
03:21:39,439 --> 03:21:41,760
of an institution but what their plans

4545
03:21:41,760 --> 03:21:43,920
are and that was important to me to look

4546
03:21:43,920 --> 03:21:44,399
at.

4547
03:21:44,399 --> 03:21:46,960
>> You were dealing with that. I thought

4548
03:21:46,960 --> 03:21:48,640
Yeah. And

4549
03:21:48,640 --> 03:21:51,600
>> well, I mean, no, I thought I I wasn't

4550
03:21:51,600 --> 03:21:54,160
satisfied with

4551
03:21:54,160 --> 03:21:54,720
>> Yeah.

4552
03:21:54,720 --> 03:21:55,840
>> their answer to that.

4553
03:21:55,840 --> 03:22:00,800
>> Yeah. The the answer I wasn't satisfied with that. Yes. She's been an

4554
03:22:00,800 --> 03:22:03,520
institution and that's a big concern for

4555
03:22:03,520 --> 03:22:06,720
me to see how they will transition on

4556
03:22:06,720 --> 03:22:08,880
that and I didn't feel like that got

4557
03:22:08,880 --> 03:22:11,279
there.

4558
03:22:11,279 --> 03:22:12,720
>> Yeah. In fact,

4559
03:22:12,720 --> 03:22:17,830
>> back it up. That was one of my

4560
03:22:17,840 --> 03:22:19,920
follow-up emails.

4561
03:22:19,920 --> 03:22:24,950
And um see

4562
03:22:24,960 --> 03:22:32,550
what was the answer to that.

4563
03:22:32,560 --> 03:22:35,120
Yeah, that that is a concern with

4564
03:22:35,120 --> 03:22:38,479
somebody that it's like Linda Smith to

4565
03:22:38,479 --> 03:22:41,439
know they've got a plan.

4566
03:22:41,439 --> 03:22:42,399
>> That's definitely noted in the

4567
03:22:42,399 --> 03:22:44,080
weaknesses. second bullet point.

4568
03:22:44,080 --> 03:22:46,000
>> Yeah.

4569
03:22:46,000 --> 03:22:47,600
>> Yep.

4570
03:22:47,600 --> 03:22:49,120
And I think it's something that could be

4571
03:22:49,120 --> 03:22:50,800
passed on to them. They did respond to

4572
03:22:50,800 --> 03:22:52,399
me. Now I can't find the response. I

4573
03:22:52,399 --> 03:22:54,239
copied all these things from the emails

4574
03:22:54,239 --> 03:22:58,319
and now I can't find it. So,

4575
03:22:58,319 --> 03:23:02,319
but I did raise that with them.

4576
03:23:02,319 --> 03:23:04,720
I I did really I I found it really

4577
03:23:04,720 --> 03:23:07,520
commendable um and unique that they were

4578
03:23:07,520 --> 03:23:11,760
trying to find fiscal sponsorships for

4579
03:23:11,760 --> 03:23:14,800
filmmakers and matching them up to

4580
03:23:14,800 --> 03:23:16,800
people of similar like the similar

4581
03:23:16,800 --> 03:23:20,000
interests right so that was a very clear

4582
03:23:20,000 --> 03:23:21,920
and intentional

4583
03:23:21,920 --> 03:23:25,120
um approach to a problem right for them

4584
03:23:25,120 --> 03:23:27,920
in a multitude of ways that and it had

4585
03:23:27,920 --> 03:23:30,800
um a lot of answers as a result what

4586
03:23:30,800 --> 03:23:31,920
they do with

4587
03:23:31,920 --> 03:23:34,160
It was a little hard to understand, but

4588
03:23:34,160 --> 03:23:35,840
basically they're finding producers,

4589
03:23:35,840 --> 03:23:36,160
>> right?

4590
03:23:36,160 --> 03:23:37,120
>> People with money,

4591
03:23:37,120 --> 03:23:37,359
>> right?

4592
03:23:37,359 --> 03:23:38,720
>> And that's the point of going to the

4593
03:23:38,720 --> 03:23:39,760
festivals

4594
03:23:39,760 --> 03:23:42,000
>> and they take a 5% commission,

4595
03:23:42,000 --> 03:23:42,319
>> right,

4596
03:23:42,319 --> 03:23:44,000
>> on that on top of it. Yes.

4597
03:23:44,000 --> 03:23:46,399
>> For the filmmakers for people that are

4598
03:23:46,399 --> 03:23:48,319
want to participate film

4599
03:23:48,319 --> 03:23:50,800
>> to sponsor movies like the one I said I

4600
03:23:50,800 --> 03:23:53,439
saw last night. So, it's very creative.

4601
03:23:53,439 --> 03:23:55,120
They're thinking about that and they are

4602
03:23:55,120 --> 03:23:56,800
thinking about the business orientation

4603
03:23:56,800 --> 03:23:59,520
for that and to be able to support the,

4604
03:23:59,520 --> 03:24:02,080
you know, the the film.

4605
03:24:02,080 --> 03:24:04,960
>> Anyone else comments or questions?

4606
03:24:04,960 --> 03:24:07,439
>> Again, I think just the the only the

4607
03:24:07,439 --> 03:24:09,200
most prominent weakness for me was the

4608
03:24:09,200 --> 03:24:11,120
lack of those grassroots relationships

4609
03:24:11,120 --> 03:24:12,800
with other organizations throughout the

4610
03:24:12,800 --> 03:24:13,760
county.

4611
03:24:13,760 --> 03:24:16,640
>> Um, yeah, just being concerned that

4612
03:24:16,640 --> 03:24:18,080
they're going to be hidebound to just

4613
03:24:18,080 --> 03:24:19,840
sticking with, you know,

4614
03:24:19,840 --> 03:24:20,960
>> 400 North,

4615
03:24:20,960 --> 03:24:23,120
>> right? that you know that they don't

4616
03:24:23,120 --> 03:24:24,479
lose sight of getting

4617
03:24:24,479 --> 03:24:26,000
>> they did go to West Jordan the Vidian

4618
03:24:26,000 --> 03:24:28,160
Arts Center for one or two elements but

4619
03:24:28,160 --> 03:24:30,160
it does there certainly with what they

4620
03:24:30,160 --> 03:24:32,239
provide they have probably more

4621
03:24:32,239 --> 03:24:34,399
flexibility than let's say the symphony

4622
03:24:34,399 --> 03:24:37,200
right with what they can

4623
03:24:37,200 --> 03:24:38,720
>> relative

4624
03:24:38,720 --> 03:24:40,560
right and since they were accustomed to

4625
03:24:40,560 --> 03:24:43,279
doing that before they had the center so

4626
03:24:43,279 --> 03:24:45,040
>> so last year it looks like of the 23

4627
03:24:45,040 --> 03:24:46,560
municipalities

4628
03:24:46,560 --> 03:24:48,319
including Salt Lake City they reached

4629
03:24:48,319 --> 03:24:50,399
out to they got to 16 locations we'll

4630
03:24:50,399 --> 03:24:53,279
just have to see over time. Maybe, you

4631
03:24:53,279 --> 03:24:54,960
know, maybe it's the comment. We can

4632
03:24:54,960 --> 03:24:57,040
maybe flip it a little bit, but

4633
03:24:57,040 --> 03:24:58,800
>> expectation is still there, right? You

4634
03:24:58,800 --> 03:25:00,880
love that they did that. It's but you

4635
03:25:00,880 --> 03:25:02,000
don't want to see that go away.

4636
03:25:02,000 --> 03:25:03,520
>> And maybe next year in the application,

4637
03:25:03,520 --> 03:25:05,359
we asked them to give examples of what

4638
03:25:05,359 --> 03:25:07,439
those activities are because they

4639
03:25:07,439 --> 03:25:09,279
numerically I I don't understand what

4640
03:25:09,279 --> 03:25:10,479
they are because

4641
03:25:10,479 --> 03:25:12,800
>> they mentioned Murray and I wasn't aware

4642
03:25:12,800 --> 03:25:13,840
of what they were.

4643
03:25:13,840 --> 03:25:15,840
>> I agree. And again going back to IC and

4644
03:25:15,840 --> 03:25:17,520
POPS did some organizations include

4645
03:25:17,520 --> 03:25:19,040
those numbers in there or do they

4646
03:25:19,040 --> 03:25:21,120
include like so we do need greater

4647
03:25:21,120 --> 03:25:22,720
clarification when we talk about the

4648
03:25:22,720 --> 03:25:24,319
application for next year for metric

4649
03:25:24,319 --> 03:25:27,600
>> maybe that's a parking lot.

4650
03:25:27,600 --> 03:25:28,399
>> Yep.

4651
03:25:28,399 --> 03:25:31,920
>> And in addition to that is what they

4652
03:25:31,920 --> 03:25:36,479
groups come to these where the group is

4653
03:25:36,479 --> 03:25:39,680
like kids are one of those areas.

4654
03:25:39,680 --> 03:25:40,880
>> That's correct.

4655
03:25:40,880 --> 03:25:42,880
>> Yeah. I see.

4656
03:25:42,880 --> 03:25:43,439
Yes.

4657
03:25:43,439 --> 03:25:46,319
>> Um that concludes that one.

4658
03:25:46,319 --> 03:25:47,840
>> Any score changes?

4659
03:25:47,840 --> 03:25:54,389
>> Any comment [clears throat] changes.

4660
03:25:54,399 --> 03:25:56,000
» So that takes care of media.

4661
03:25:56,000 --> 03:25:58,479
>> That takes care of media arts.

4662
03:25:58,479 --> 03:26:00,399
>> Um we're going to if that's okay not to

4663
03:26:00,399 --> 03:26:02,640
take a break quite yet or do let's go.

4664
03:26:02,640 --> 03:26:05,200
Okay. Botanicals are next. Let's line up

4665
03:26:05,200 --> 03:26:08,000
the botanicals. The first one is

4666
03:26:08,000 --> 03:26:09,600
Redbute.

4667
03:26:09,600 --> 03:26:13,040
uh an on dash after rebute to be

4668
03:26:13,040 --> 03:26:17,120
prepared because rebute is on um sorry I

4669
03:26:17,120 --> 03:26:19,920
drew a blank I wouldn't call you place

4670
03:26:19,920 --> 03:26:21,520
too [laughter]

4671
03:26:21,520 --> 03:26:25,760
um and then a uh then Andrea then oh I

4672
03:26:25,760 --> 03:26:28,239
forgot you had two huh I still have to

4673
03:26:28,239 --> 03:26:30,122
talk about

4674
03:26:30,122 --> 03:26:32,389
[clears throat]

4675
03:26:32,399 --> 03:26:36,720
» okay so Review um so I did get a tour of

4676
03:26:36,720 --> 03:26:38,800
the of the place I I've been to Review

4677
03:26:38,800 --> 03:26:40,319
several times before, but I didn't

4678
03:26:40,319 --> 03:26:42,399
realize how large it was. Um, they are

4679
03:26:42,399 --> 03:26:44,560
excellent stewards of that of that land

4680
03:26:44,560 --> 03:26:46,880
and the plants. They're very, everyone I

4681
03:26:46,880 --> 03:26:48,479
talked to is very knowledgeable about

4682
03:26:48,479 --> 03:26:50,239
the history of each of the plants. It

4683
03:26:50,239 --> 03:26:53,520
was really really cool. Um, I was very

4684
03:26:53,520 --> 03:26:57,920
impressed by their adaptiveness. So, um,

4685
03:26:57,920 --> 03:26:59,840
I think it started in CO they had these

4686
03:26:59,840 --> 03:27:02,000
like educational bins that they send out

4687
03:27:02,000 --> 03:27:03,920
to schools and things and it went so

4688
03:27:03,920 --> 03:27:06,000
well they've expanded and this last year

4689
03:27:06,000 --> 03:27:07,680
they expanded it even more. they now

4690
03:27:07,680 --> 03:27:09,520
have a dedicated room just to store and

4691
03:27:09,520 --> 03:27:11,439
like manage the ins and outs of these

4692
03:27:11,439 --> 03:27:14,000
bins being sent out. So that is that was

4693
03:27:14,000 --> 03:27:15,920
something that I didn't feel was was

4694
03:27:15,920 --> 03:27:17,040
mentioned a whole lot in the

4695
03:27:17,040 --> 03:27:18,479
application, but when they explained to

4696
03:27:18,479 --> 03:27:20,080
me it's like we should mention it more

4697
03:27:20,080 --> 03:27:22,479
because it's a way for them to um get

4698
03:27:22,479 --> 03:27:24,080
more outreach because they are just you

4699
03:27:24,080 --> 03:27:28,239
know one physical location. Um they are

4700
03:27:28,239 --> 03:27:30,239
currently working on expanding Wi-Fi

4701
03:27:30,239 --> 03:27:33,600
access to the entire um garden which I

4702
03:27:33,600 --> 03:27:34,880
thought was incredible because they

4703
03:27:34,880 --> 03:27:36,800
noticed people like going there, working

4704
03:27:36,800 --> 03:27:38,399
there, their students, right? Remote

4705
03:27:38,399 --> 03:27:40,399
work. And that was another example of

4706
03:27:40,399 --> 03:27:43,439
them just noticing what their their

4707
03:27:43,439 --> 03:27:45,920
people their audience needs and adapting

4708
03:27:45,920 --> 03:27:49,439
to that. And then another one was they

4709
03:27:49,439 --> 03:27:51,040
are going to start experimenting with

4710
03:27:51,040 --> 03:27:54,000
earlier hours of opening. Um they said

4711
03:27:54,000 --> 03:27:56,319
that they've had some feedback um of

4712
03:27:56,319 --> 03:27:57,600
people just wanting to get there a

4713
03:27:57,600 --> 03:28:00,000
little earlier when it's cooler. Um

4714
03:28:00,000 --> 03:28:02,000
they've seen other places like I think

4715
03:28:02,000 --> 03:28:03,840
the aquarium does like yoga and things

4716
03:28:03,840 --> 03:28:06,080
and there's some other um places that do

4717
03:28:06,080 --> 03:28:08,560
that. So they want to try to do those

4718
03:28:08,560 --> 03:28:10,160
things. And so I I was very impressed by

4719
03:28:10,160 --> 03:28:13,359
how much they really take feedback from

4720
03:28:13,359 --> 03:28:15,520
their audience but also notice what

4721
03:28:15,520 --> 03:28:17,840
other organizations are doing and try to

4722
03:28:17,840 --> 03:28:20,080
incorporate right the best parts and

4723
03:28:20,080 --> 03:28:22,479
they're always improving.

4724
03:28:22,479 --> 03:28:25,040
um their volunteer program I was very

4725
03:28:25,040 --> 03:28:27,520
impressed by. Also, um they have a wait

4726
03:28:27,520 --> 03:28:29,520
list for the volunteer program which is

4727
03:28:29,520 --> 03:28:31,954
incredible. I know that um

4728
03:28:31,954 --> 03:28:32,560
[clears throat]

4729
03:28:32,560 --> 03:28:34,399
>> Yeah. So, if you want to volunteer, good

4730
03:28:34,399 --> 03:28:37,359
luck. Um but [laughter] I I know

4731
03:28:37,359 --> 03:28:39,439
>> weeds in my house.

4732
03:28:39,439 --> 03:28:44,880
>> Yeah. So, so people just really love the the guard. I know for example um un

4733
03:28:44,880 --> 03:28:46,800
uh the symphony was having a hard time

4734
03:28:46,800 --> 03:28:48,800
getting enough volunteers, right? Um and

4735
03:28:48,800 --> 03:28:50,640
so this in contrast that's like that's

4736
03:28:50,640 --> 03:28:53,680
very impressive. Um,

4737
03:28:53,680 --> 03:28:55,439
let's see. I'm trying to make sure I go

4738
03:28:55,439 --> 03:28:58,960
through um as far as their weaknesses um

4739
03:28:58,960 --> 03:29:00,800
or just concerns that they had I think

4740
03:29:00,800 --> 03:29:04,640
was more um I think it's in Yes, it's in

4741
03:29:04,640 --> 03:29:07,040
under the observations on this sheet. Um

4742
03:29:07,040 --> 03:29:09,359
I think those are all from me. Um but

4743
03:29:09,359 --> 03:29:11,040
something that they were saying was that

4744
03:29:11,040 --> 03:29:14,319
the uh free events they think with this

4745
03:29:14,319 --> 03:29:17,040
is their theory with um there are a lot

4746
03:29:17,040 --> 03:29:20,880
of newer social media channels that talk

4747
03:29:20,880 --> 03:29:22,479
about like free things to do in Utah,

4748
03:29:22,479 --> 03:29:24,720
right? And so people especially in this

4749
03:29:24,720 --> 03:29:26,160
economy, they're always looking for free

4750
03:29:26,160 --> 03:29:28,560
things. And so this year specifically,

4751
03:29:28,560 --> 03:29:31,520
they've had a huge jump in um attendees

4752
03:29:31,520 --> 03:29:33,840
for those. and they've been struggling

4753
03:29:33,840 --> 03:29:36,479
to balance how to strategize supporting

4754
03:29:36,479 --> 03:29:38,720
that with like janitorial and and staff

4755
03:29:38,720 --> 03:29:41,120
and reevents. Um, so that's just an

4756
03:29:41,120 --> 03:29:42,720
ongoing thing that they are keeping an

4757
03:29:42,720 --> 03:29:45,840
eye on. Um, and then the nationwide

4758
03:29:45,840 --> 03:29:47,760
trend of just ticket sales for concerts

4759
03:29:47,760 --> 03:29:49,920
just not being where they were

4760
03:29:49,920 --> 03:29:53,920
previously. Um,

4761
03:29:53,920 --> 03:29:55,795
I'll stop there. Yes.

4762
03:29:55,795 --> 03:29:56,160
>> [laughter]

4763
03:29:56,160 --> 03:29:58,479
>> Yeah, they really seem to have had a lot

4764
03:29:58,479 --> 03:30:02,080
more sold out shows in prior seasons.

4765
03:30:02,080 --> 03:30:03,359
>> Manny, did you say you went to a

4766
03:30:03,359 --> 03:30:04,000
concert?

4767
03:30:04,000 --> 03:30:06,239
>> No, no, I I have years ago, but but I

4768
03:30:06,239 --> 03:30:08,640
I've been to the Garden. It's just nice

4769
03:30:08,640 --> 03:30:09,600
to visit.

4770
03:30:09,600 --> 03:30:11,840
>> I think that they just their their slate

4771
03:30:11,840 --> 03:30:13,600
of shows have grown so much. Like when I

4772
03:30:13,600 --> 03:30:15,520
used to be a season ticket holder 15 and

4773
03:30:15,520 --> 03:30:16,960
20 years ago, it was like eight or nine

4774
03:30:16,960 --> 03:30:18,640
shows a year. Now they're up to 31 or

4775
03:30:18,640 --> 03:30:21,359
32. So, I think that is going to be a

4776
03:30:21,359 --> 03:30:24,160
natural, right? people can only go to so

4777
03:30:24,160 --> 03:30:26,640
many shows and as much as their demand

4778
03:30:26,640 --> 03:30:29,040
got high. Um I went to Bob Marley this

4779
03:30:29,040 --> 03:30:31,760
year it was very good but I I felt like

4780
03:30:31,760 --> 03:30:33,439
there were some really unique things

4781
03:30:33,439 --> 03:30:35,680
about them this year. I um made a

4782
03:30:35,680 --> 03:30:38,160
comment outstanding partnership um work

4783
03:30:38,160 --> 03:30:40,080
for reduced or free garden access

4784
03:30:40,080 --> 03:30:41,760
promoting organizations with aligned

4785
03:30:41,760 --> 03:30:43,760
goals and sharing resources of natural

4786
03:30:43,760 --> 03:30:46,239
materials to reduce waste and encourage

4787
03:30:46,239 --> 03:30:49,279
um cost and efficiency. So again, I I

4788
03:30:49,279 --> 03:30:51,279
like things that are multi-layer

4789
03:30:51,279 --> 03:30:53,040
solutions and that bring in other

4790
03:30:53,040 --> 03:30:55,040
partnerships and I felt like Red B was

4791
03:30:55,040 --> 03:30:57,439
doing a really good job of that this

4792
03:30:57,439 --> 03:31:00,160
year. Um but yeah, their give or get

4793
03:31:00,160 --> 03:31:03,680
policy on the board is really hard um to

4794
03:31:03,680 --> 03:31:05,359
swallow, especially based on the fact

4795
03:31:05,359 --> 03:31:08,000
that they have 543 volunteers currently.

4796
03:31:08,000 --> 03:31:10,080
They have a waiting list for volunteers.

4797
03:31:10,080 --> 03:31:12,239
Bring some people into leadership roles

4798
03:31:12,239 --> 03:31:14,239
when you see them being extraordinary

4799
03:31:14,239 --> 03:31:16,640
from your volunteer pool. Right? if you

4800
03:31:16,640 --> 03:31:19,279
if you've got this kind of workforce, um

4801
03:31:19,279 --> 03:31:21,279
find a way to utilize them. But there

4802
03:31:21,279 --> 03:31:23,760
were a couple of really I felt unique

4803
03:31:23,760 --> 03:31:27,040
and creative um ways Spreadbe was doing

4804
03:31:27,040 --> 03:31:28,319
their business this year.

4805
03:31:28,319 --> 03:31:30,800
>> Did you mention [clears throat] this

4806
03:31:30,800 --> 03:31:33,600
already that to just have access to the

4807
03:31:33,600 --> 03:31:36,000
gardens to just go the memberships I

4808
03:31:36,000 --> 03:31:38,080
recall was very reasonable price. You

4809
03:31:38,080 --> 03:31:38,479
can go

4810
03:31:38,479 --> 03:31:39,200
>> I don't remember

4811
03:31:39,200 --> 03:31:41,920
>> to walk around the gardens like less

4812
03:31:41,920 --> 03:31:43,520
than $100.

4813
03:31:43,520 --> 03:31:44,640
>> Yeah, it's very reasonable.

4814
03:31:44,640 --> 03:31:46,880
>> It is pretty Yeah. to just go and enjoy

4815
03:31:46,880 --> 03:31:48,399
the gardens which is really the main

4816
03:31:48,399 --> 03:31:49,760
attraction. And I know a lot of people

4817
03:31:49,760 --> 03:31:51,279
talk about concerts, but

4818
03:31:51,279 --> 03:31:52,640
>> No. Yeah.

4819
03:31:52,640 --> 03:31:54,080
>> And the students of course get

4820
03:31:54,080 --> 03:31:54,720
>> Yeah.

4821
03:31:54,720 --> 03:31:56,316
>> And they do have a lot of conservation

4822
03:31:56,316 --> 03:31:57,920
[clears throat] and education and

4823
03:31:57,920 --> 03:31:59,520
they've done a lot of things to increase

4824
03:31:59,520 --> 03:32:01,840
their revenue opportunities and places.

4825
03:32:01,840 --> 03:32:03,520
But that is sort of a problem with free

4826
03:32:03,520 --> 03:32:05,040
days, right? Because even people who

4827
03:32:05,040 --> 03:32:07,760
could afford to pay will go on a free

4828
03:32:07,760 --> 03:32:11,040
day just because it's free. And so how

4829
03:32:11,040 --> 03:32:13,439
do you build in it's just like allowing

4830
03:32:13,439 --> 03:32:15,120
lower income people to retain their

4831
03:32:15,120 --> 03:32:17,920
dignity not to go only when this

4832
03:32:17,920 --> 03:32:19,680
particular group of people we let you

4833
03:32:19,680 --> 03:32:22,479
come on this day at this time. How are

4834
03:32:22,479 --> 03:32:25,200
they going to allow access for people to

4835
03:32:25,200 --> 03:32:27,840
come in free or discounted in a way that

4836
03:32:27,840 --> 03:32:29,760
isn't only a free day,

4837
03:32:29,760 --> 03:32:30,160
>> right?

4838
03:32:30,160 --> 03:32:31,760
>> And free days are hard to manage though

4839
03:32:31,760 --> 03:32:33,600
too that such a such so many people are

4840
03:32:33,600 --> 03:32:36,399
that security, it's fire code, it's

4841
03:32:36,399 --> 03:32:37,840
restroom cleaning, it's all those

4842
03:32:37,840 --> 03:32:39,279
things. So when they we try to have

4843
03:32:39,279 --> 03:32:41,439
those zap free days, they stress out a

4844
03:32:41,439 --> 03:32:42,960
little bit because they they know the

4845
03:32:42,960 --> 03:32:44,640
volume won't be there. I just want to

4846
03:32:44,640 --> 03:32:46,239
ask one clarification question. The

4847
03:32:46,239 --> 03:32:48,399
third bullet point in the weaknesses, it

4848
03:32:48,399 --> 03:32:49,920
said limited presence programming in

4849
03:32:49,920 --> 03:32:55,040
cities not yet engaged by the garden. I am aware of the kids the kids the

4850
03:32:55,040 --> 03:32:56,239
things that go out to schools or

4851
03:32:56,239 --> 03:32:58,160
whatever, but I just want to make sure I

4852
03:32:58,160 --> 03:32:59,760
see they've done 15 plus Salt Lake City

4853
03:32:59,760 --> 03:33:01,279
that'd be 16, but maybe people just

4854
03:33:01,279 --> 03:33:02,399
don't know about it. I just wanted to

4855
03:33:02,399 --> 03:33:04,319
clarify maybe we could help them with

4856
03:33:04,319 --> 03:33:07,120
that statement

4857
03:33:07,120 --> 03:33:10,239
if anyone's got anything to add to it or

4858
03:33:10,239 --> 03:33:11,680
>> how it's written

4859
03:33:11,680 --> 03:33:13,279
>> yet limited presence in programming in

4860
03:33:13,279 --> 03:33:15,359
cities not yet engaged by the garden. Uh

4861
03:33:15,359 --> 03:33:17,120
when would it is it like for beyond

4862
03:33:17,120 --> 03:33:18,880
school age we're thinking or like a

4863
03:33:18,880 --> 03:33:21,600
presence like um like mobile programming

4864
03:33:21,600 --> 03:33:24,080
like they like partnering with um Tracy

4865
03:33:24,080 --> 03:33:25,760
or something like I just wonder how to

4866
03:33:25,760 --> 03:33:28,160
help them

4867
03:33:28,160 --> 03:33:29,439
because I don't know what their presence

4868
03:33:29,439 --> 03:33:32,160
being in the communities either. Do we

4869
03:33:32,160 --> 03:33:34,319
want that as a botanical? I think that's

4870
03:33:34,319 --> 03:33:35,920
what you're saying right? Do you want

4871
03:33:35,920 --> 03:33:39,279
them to get into more simply just

4872
03:33:39,279 --> 03:33:41,439
>> people know about Red View. It's a

4873
03:33:41,439 --> 03:33:44,479
destination to go there. Mhm. Can they

4874
03:33:44,479 --> 03:33:47,600
do some version of their programming in

4875
03:33:47,600 --> 03:33:53,590
other garden groups of like conservation

4876
03:33:53,600 --> 03:34:05,750
collaborate with some of those collabor

4877
03:34:05,760 --> 03:34:06,399
that would

4878
03:34:06,399 --> 03:34:08,479
>> Yeah, I think we have four botanical

4879
03:34:08,479 --> 03:34:10,319
three botanicals in tier 2 that might

4880
03:34:10,319 --> 03:34:12,640
make sense to put them in there. Okay,

4881
03:34:12,640 --> 03:34:15,760
that's helpful. Thank you. Thank you.

4882
03:34:15,760 --> 03:34:19,200
>> 12.7 is the score. That's a strong.

4883
03:34:19,200 --> 03:34:20,720
Everybody's good with that. And be

4884
03:34:20,720 --> 03:34:23,840
changing anything or anything.

4885
03:34:23,840 --> 03:34:25,279
>> Are we supposed to be locking it in on

4886
03:34:25,279 --> 03:34:25,840
here as we

4887
03:34:25,840 --> 03:34:29,279
>> No, no, it should change. Not like last

4888
03:34:29,279 --> 03:34:29,760
time.

4889
03:34:29,760 --> 03:34:32,640
>> Oh, no. Maybe I'm behind.

4890
03:34:32,640 --> 03:34:34,319
>> Andrea's saving for herself and not for

4891
03:34:34,319 --> 03:34:34,720
us.

4892
03:34:34,720 --> 03:34:36,800
>> I did. [laughter]

4893
03:34:36,800 --> 03:34:38,000
Time is up.

4894
03:34:38,000 --> 03:34:39,680
>> Um, move on.

4895
03:34:39,680 --> 03:34:42,960
>> Looks like uh Yeah, Andrea. All right.

4896
03:34:42,960 --> 03:34:45,600
So, I got to visit Wasach Community

4897
03:34:45,600 --> 03:34:48,319
Gardens and I was really really

4898
03:34:48,319 --> 03:34:51,439
impressed. Um,

4899
03:34:51,439 --> 03:34:53,439
and I know that the Zap staff got to

4900
03:34:53,439 --> 03:34:55,200
come. So, I I I went with you guys and

4901
03:34:55,200 --> 03:34:58,960
then I also just did my own um site

4902
03:34:58,960 --> 03:35:01,439
visit, but I did notice that they one of

4903
03:35:01,439 --> 03:35:02,720
their strengths is their strong

4904
03:35:02,720 --> 03:35:04,399
community engagement. They do listening

4905
03:35:04,399 --> 03:35:07,200
tours um with the community. So before

4906
03:35:07,200 --> 03:35:10,560
they're putting a garden in or somebody expresses interest and says,

4907
03:35:10,560 --> 03:35:12,239
"Hey, we'd like to have you help us

4908
03:35:12,239 --> 03:35:14,800
establish this," they're always getting

4909
03:35:14,800 --> 03:35:16,640
feedback from the community. So it's a

4910
03:35:16,640 --> 03:35:18,479
very collaborative

4911
03:35:18,479 --> 03:35:21,840
um experience and they're the way that

4912
03:35:21,840 --> 03:35:23,680
they're collecting that information

4913
03:35:23,680 --> 03:35:26,160
before they're deciding to

4914
03:35:26,160 --> 03:35:28,960
put that new garden in. Um I was really

4915
03:35:28,960 --> 03:35:31,359
impressed with that. They offer a lot of

4916
03:35:31,359 --> 03:35:34,560
um free events like their tomato

4917
03:35:34,560 --> 03:35:36,000
tasting. I know that some of you guys

4918
03:35:36,000 --> 03:35:37,279
have done that. They have that coming up

4919
03:35:37,279 --> 03:35:38,560
in September.

4920
03:35:38,560 --> 03:35:40,080
>> So, if you can go to that, that would be

4921
03:35:40,080 --> 03:35:42,720
great. You can get a hands-on experience

4922
03:35:42,720 --> 03:35:45,359
of all that goes into that. The gardens

4923
03:35:45,359 --> 03:35:47,600
are just

4924
03:35:47,600 --> 03:35:49,439
>> beautiful, beautiful display of what

4925
03:35:49,439 --> 03:35:52,080
they have to offer. And I got to go do

4926
03:35:52,080 --> 03:35:53,520
my meeting when they had some of the

4927
03:35:53,520 --> 03:35:55,600
camps there and I got to see how the

4928
03:35:55,600 --> 03:35:57,040
staff are interacting with the children.

4929
03:35:57,040 --> 03:36:00,720
are interacting with um the

4930
03:36:00,720 --> 03:36:02,880
gardens. It kind of is very artistic

4931
03:36:02,880 --> 03:36:04,160
looking as well. all the children are

4932
03:36:04,160 --> 03:36:07,279
able to pick and eat a tomato right off

4933
03:36:07,279 --> 03:36:09,200
the garden and get curious about that

4934
03:36:09,200 --> 03:36:11,760
too. Um I did attend one of their

4935
03:36:11,760 --> 03:36:14,239
classes. Um it was a partnership with

4936
03:36:14,239 --> 03:36:16,640
Utah State University. Feel like it was

4937
03:36:16,640 --> 03:36:19,040
really well done. It was a sold out

4938
03:36:19,040 --> 03:36:21,680
class that they had. It was on water um

4939
03:36:21,680 --> 03:36:25,200
observation and gardening uh using your

4940
03:36:25,200 --> 03:36:28,080
water- wise gardening for your like

4941
03:36:28,080 --> 03:36:29,840
vegetables.

4942
03:36:29,840 --> 03:36:33,920
legal attended. He was very informed um

4943
03:36:33,920 --> 03:36:36,080
definitely an expert in his area. I know

4944
03:36:36,080 --> 03:36:39,680
there was a question um about water

4945
03:36:39,680 --> 03:36:41,359
source and secondary water source and so

4946
03:36:41,359 --> 03:36:43,439
the Wasatch

4947
03:36:43,439 --> 03:36:45,600
staff was able to answer what what it is

4948
03:36:45,600 --> 03:36:47,520
that Salt Lake City has and can kind of

4949
03:36:47,520 --> 03:36:50,080
some workarounds and ways to to do that.

4950
03:36:50,080 --> 03:36:52,080
It was his water experience a little bit

4951
03:36:52,080 --> 03:36:53,279
different, but it's just even just

4952
03:36:53,279 --> 03:36:55,120
changing. He brought so many, he brought

4953
03:36:55,120 --> 03:36:57,200
like the visuals and the powerpoints and

4954
03:36:57,200 --> 03:36:58,960
he let us, it was a huge board and he's

4955
03:36:58,960 --> 03:37:00,239
like, "Well, you could do this for your

4956
03:37:00,239 --> 03:37:02,000
water. You could do this for like so

4957
03:37:02,000 --> 03:37:04,399
many different options." So, it's very

4958
03:37:04,399 --> 03:37:07,520
um interactive. Um, a lot of people had

4959
03:37:07,520 --> 03:37:09,120
a lot of questions. I feel like their

4960
03:37:09,120 --> 03:37:11,840
questions were answered very well. Um,

4961
03:37:11,840 --> 03:37:14,479
so it was very informative, very

4962
03:37:14,479 --> 03:37:15,359
educational. [clears throat]

4963
03:37:15,359 --> 03:37:17,279
And then, um, I did get to attend their

4964
03:37:17,279 --> 03:37:19,439
board meeting. They had full qu the

4965
03:37:19,439 --> 03:37:21,840
whole board showed up in person for

4966
03:37:21,840 --> 03:37:22,479
their meeting.

4967
03:37:22,479 --> 03:37:23,279
>> Where did they meet?

4968
03:37:23,279 --> 03:37:24,160
>> At their location.

4969
03:37:24,160 --> 03:37:26,319
>> Their Yeah, just their location there.

4970
03:37:26,319 --> 03:37:29,520
Um very supportive board. They were

4971
03:37:29,520 --> 03:37:31,920
talking about their fundraising

4972
03:37:31,920 --> 03:37:34,399
um that's coming up and a lot of the

4973
03:37:34,399 --> 03:37:36,479
board members were donating art pro uh

4974
03:37:36,479 --> 03:37:38,479
projects or things that can be auctioned

4975
03:37:38,479 --> 03:37:42,239
off to help raise funds. Um, so I was

4976
03:37:42,239 --> 03:37:44,000
really impressed with how collaborative

4977
03:37:44,000 --> 03:37:45,680
it is. And I don't know if any of you

4978
03:37:45,680 --> 03:37:47,200
guys have gotten to be in one of their

4979
03:37:47,200 --> 03:37:48,560
board meetings, but the executive

4980
03:37:48,560 --> 03:37:50,239
director, she's just got such a

4981
03:37:50,239 --> 03:37:52,640
forwardlooking vision,

4982
03:37:52,640 --> 03:37:55,200
but it's not just her vision. She's got

4983
03:37:55,200 --> 03:37:57,359
she really takes that feedback from the

4984
03:37:57,359 --> 03:37:59,279
board members into consideration and

4985
03:37:59,279 --> 03:38:01,680
they work very collaboratively, very

4986
03:38:01,680 --> 03:38:04,319
deliberately to

4987
03:38:04,319 --> 03:38:06,800
look ahead and to plan ahead and what's

4988
03:38:06,800 --> 03:38:08,239
going to happen and to see if that's

4989
03:38:08,239 --> 03:38:10,720
going to be successful. So I was really

4990
03:38:10,720 --> 03:38:12,160
very impressed with that

4991
03:38:12,160 --> 03:38:13,600
>> in relationship to what you're saying

4992
03:38:13,600 --> 03:38:16,319
there is that they acknowledge in the in

4993
03:38:16,319 --> 03:38:19,120
their application that doing reduced in

4994
03:38:19,120 --> 03:38:21,279
uh free programming actually also

4995
03:38:21,279 --> 03:38:24,080
attracts other people who want to

4996
03:38:24,080 --> 03:38:26,080
support and pay donate to the

4997
03:38:26,080 --> 03:38:29,120
organization because they make it so

4998
03:38:29,120 --> 03:38:31,439
relevant that I as a good community

4999
03:38:31,439 --> 03:38:35,040
member can support this mission right

5000
03:38:35,040 --> 03:38:37,120
and these things people eating growing

5001
03:38:37,120 --> 03:38:39,600
their own food having career

5002
03:38:39,600 --> 03:38:42,640
transitions. So by showing what they're

5003
03:38:42,640 --> 03:38:43,840
doing in their free and reduced

5004
03:38:43,840 --> 03:38:45,680
programming, it makes people more

5005
03:38:45,680 --> 03:38:47,040
wanting to contribute to their

5006
03:38:47,040 --> 03:38:49,600
organization and they acknowledge that

5007
03:38:49,600 --> 03:38:51,279
as one of their strengths. They thought

5008
03:38:51,279 --> 03:38:51,840
that was amazing.

5009
03:38:51,840 --> 03:38:52,880
>> I think another one of their strengths

5010
03:38:52,880 --> 03:38:54,319
is just those part like their

5011
03:38:54,319 --> 03:38:55,680
relationships, their ability to build

5012
03:38:55,680 --> 03:38:57,200
those like you said in the community,

5013
03:38:57,200 --> 03:38:58,960
their relationships, the word of mouth.

5014
03:38:58,960 --> 03:39:01,359
>> Did you say that they're helping other

5015
03:39:01,359 --> 03:39:03,600
communities make guards?

5016
03:39:03,600 --> 03:39:05,760
>> Yeah. So if somebody wants to come in

5017
03:39:05,760 --> 03:39:07,439
and says, "Hey, I want to establish a

5018
03:39:07,439 --> 03:39:09,359
garden." They they walk them through the

5019
03:39:09,359 --> 03:39:10,880
process. They don't just say, "Okay,

5020
03:39:10,880 --> 03:39:12,960
here you go. Here's how to plant funds."

5021
03:39:12,960 --> 03:39:15,600
They actually it's a very strategic

5022
03:39:15,600 --> 03:39:16,880
process.

5023
03:39:16,880 --> 03:39:18,160
>> They give them like a little plot of

5024
03:39:18,160 --> 03:39:19,680
land that's one of theirs and they kind

5025
03:39:19,680 --> 03:39:21,760
of give them the ropes for someone to

5026
03:39:21,760 --> 03:39:22,880
really

5027
03:39:22,880 --> 03:39:26,479
>> um pursue this, you know.

5028
03:39:26,479 --> 03:39:28,720
>> So, we supply at their location.

5029
03:39:28,720 --> 03:39:30,640
>> Yeah. At one of their locations. Yeah.

5030
03:39:30,640 --> 03:39:32,640
But they they also offer to if you would

5031
03:39:32,640 --> 03:39:35,520
like to like oh I want my like in Sandy

5032
03:39:35,520 --> 03:39:37,520
City I want to have a community garden

5033
03:39:37,520 --> 03:39:39,040
then they would do like the research

5034
03:39:39,040 --> 03:39:40,960
first. They would do like a list tour

5035
03:39:40,960 --> 03:39:42,319
first to see if that's something that's

5036
03:39:42,319 --> 03:39:43,359
viable instead of saying

5037
03:39:43,359 --> 03:39:44,880
>> so they would work with the city like

5038
03:39:44,880 --> 03:39:45,600
Sandy to

5039
03:39:45,600 --> 03:39:47,040
>> they would work with the yeah the city

5040
03:39:47,040 --> 03:39:49,279
and the community members to see if it

5041
03:39:49,279 --> 03:39:50,800
would even be possible because let's say

5042
03:39:50,800 --> 03:39:53,200
I really love gardening and I'm just

5043
03:39:53,200 --> 03:39:54,319
into it and then all of a sudden my

5044
03:39:54,319 --> 03:39:56,319
husband gets a job somewhere else then I

5045
03:39:56,319 --> 03:39:58,239
leave. Well, who's going to manage that

5046
03:39:58,239 --> 03:39:59,760
community garden? So they have to make

5047
03:39:59,760 --> 03:40:02,399
sure that there's a community buy in and

5048
03:40:02,399 --> 03:40:03,840
they've also tried to make it like

5049
03:40:03,840 --> 03:40:05,680
community specific. So there's like one

5050
03:40:05,680 --> 03:40:07,439
on the west side they are probably

5051
03:40:07,439 --> 03:40:10,319
farming more of the like the Hispanic

5052
03:40:10,319 --> 03:40:13,760
population maybe like the peppers or the

5053
03:40:13,760 --> 03:40:16,319
spicy peppers and the

5054
03:40:16,319 --> 03:40:18,720
whatever they're using. So I was really

5055
03:40:18,720 --> 03:40:20,319
impressed

5056
03:40:20,319 --> 03:40:22,880
with that. They do a lot like a lot.

5057
03:40:22,880 --> 03:40:27,120
Well, some of you weren't here. I guess four years ago they joined tier

5058
03:40:27,120 --> 03:40:27,920
one

5059
03:40:27,920 --> 03:40:29,600
>> and I remember meeting with them.

5060
03:40:29,600 --> 03:40:31,200
Remember they were a little bit on the

5061
03:40:31,200 --> 03:40:31,600
bubble.

5062
03:40:31,600 --> 03:40:31,920
>> Yeah.

5063
03:40:31,920 --> 03:40:34,239
>> It was an example of a great inclusion

5064
03:40:34,239 --> 03:40:36,319
into tier one. I don't know who we

5065
03:40:36,319 --> 03:40:38,080
knocked out [laughter] to make room for

5066
03:40:38,080 --> 03:40:38,720
them.

5067
03:40:38,720 --> 03:40:40,880
>> Oh, I do remember. Oh, yeah. That will

5068
03:40:40,880 --> 03:40:43,359
remain unnamed. But anyway, yeah. So, I

5069
03:40:43,359 --> 03:40:44,800
mean that's that's great that they've

5070
03:40:44,800 --> 03:40:46,560
been successful.

5071
03:40:46,560 --> 03:40:48,479
>> We know partnerships are just so I don't

5072
03:40:48,479 --> 03:40:50,000
they have like the secret sauce of like

5073
03:40:50,000 --> 03:40:51,279
getting into the community. I don't

5074
03:40:51,279 --> 03:40:53,439
know. Andrea went with us. We went on

5075
03:40:53,439 --> 03:40:54,960
we'd all been a tour staff together.

5076
03:40:54,960 --> 03:40:56,880
They invited us for a minute. Um it was

5077
03:40:56,880 --> 03:40:58,479
interesting. I when we first came into

5078
03:40:58,479 --> 03:41:00,319
tier one, they had an executive director

5079
03:41:00,319 --> 03:41:02,800
who was just was amazing. And when she

5080
03:41:02,800 --> 03:41:05,279
said, "I'm going to go run a farm for my

5081
03:41:05,279 --> 03:41:08,160
wife's uh home uh family in Virginia, I

5082
03:41:08,160 --> 03:41:08,560
think it was."

5083
03:41:08,560 --> 03:41:09,439
>> Right. Right. Yeah.

5084
03:41:09,439 --> 03:41:11,680
>> We were all like, "Oh my gosh, how are

5085
03:41:11,680 --> 03:41:12,880
you going to find someone?" So unique.

5086
03:41:12,880 --> 03:41:14,160
>> They just joined. Yeah.

5087
03:41:14,160 --> 03:41:16,640
>> Amazing. Uh tour was really great. They

5088
03:41:16,640 --> 03:41:17,920
talk about sensory things like so

5089
03:41:17,920 --> 03:41:18,800
there's different pieces of the garden

5090
03:41:18,800 --> 03:41:21,520
for sensory for kids who have sensory uh

5091
03:41:21,520 --> 03:41:24,000
smelling tech tactile. They talk about

5092
03:41:24,000 --> 03:41:25,120
some of the research they're doing which

5093
03:41:25,120 --> 03:41:26,800
is really cool. These little wires they

5094
03:41:26,800 --> 03:41:28,080
plug into the ground. They can tell

5095
03:41:28,080 --> 03:41:30,239
what's dry and when to water.

5096
03:41:30,239 --> 03:41:31,840
>> They the way they even build their

5097
03:41:31,840 --> 03:41:33,120
garden. It's just it was really

5098
03:41:33,120 --> 03:41:34,479
interesting. I think for me some of the

5099
03:41:34,479 --> 03:41:35,920
takeaways were

5100
03:41:35,920 --> 03:41:37,200
>> the research is like actually right

5101
03:41:37,200 --> 03:41:38,800
there for everyone to see and take part

5102
03:41:38,800 --> 03:41:40,399
in. Like it's not this whole thing in

5103
03:41:40,399 --> 03:41:42,319
the back or whatever. Um, the other

5104
03:41:42,319 --> 03:41:44,000
pieces I think were interesting were

5105
03:41:44,000 --> 03:41:45,120
that they've decided that they're going

5106
03:41:45,120 --> 03:41:46,800
to put a lot of things on the outside.

5107
03:41:46,800 --> 03:41:48,160
So, they don't have a fence or anything

5108
03:41:48,160 --> 03:41:49,600
that like blocks you out except for like

5109
03:41:49,600 --> 03:41:51,600
to have just for their space, but then

5110
03:41:51,600 --> 03:41:52,960
they planted all these things on the

5111
03:41:52,960 --> 03:41:54,800
outside. So, the families who walk by to

5112
03:41:54,800 --> 03:41:56,319
go to school or the mom who knows what

5113
03:41:56,319 --> 03:42:00,239
time at harvest just comes over and gets baskets full of things.

5114
03:42:00,239 --> 03:42:02,000
>> And so, this way to invite the local

5115
03:42:02,000 --> 03:42:03,840
community. Um, and then just how many

5116
03:42:03,840 --> 03:42:05,760
places they own, how many programs they

5117
03:42:05,760 --> 03:42:07,359
have for the green jobs for women who

5118
03:42:07,359 --> 03:42:09,760
are homeless to learn a skill. Um, and

5119
03:42:09,760 --> 03:42:11,920
then there's the the plot one where you

5120
03:42:11,920 --> 03:42:13,600
get a little small plot, you use it for

5121
03:42:13,600 --> 03:42:15,120
a couple years, they teach you farming,

5122
03:42:15,120 --> 03:42:16,479
you can take it to farmers market and

5123
03:42:16,479 --> 03:42:18,239
things and then if you graduate sort of

5124
03:42:18,239 --> 03:42:20,000
you get this bigger plot and turn it

5125
03:42:20,000 --> 03:42:21,600
into a business is the whole point. And

5126
03:42:21,600 --> 03:42:22,880
so I think you're right. I think they

5127
03:42:22,880 --> 03:42:24,239
you just look at them as a garden like

5128
03:42:24,239 --> 03:42:25,279
oh people but

5129
03:42:25,279 --> 03:42:27,120
>> they own some rental properties too. I

5130
03:42:27,120 --> 03:42:30,080
remember it helps they subsidize for

5131
03:42:30,080 --> 03:42:31,120
some people.

5132
03:42:31,120 --> 03:42:32,640
>> Yeah. Yeah. They're they're truly

5133
03:42:32,640 --> 03:42:34,239
phenomenal. And I think our number one

5134
03:42:34,239 --> 03:42:35,920
concern like three years ago was that

5135
03:42:35,920 --> 03:42:37,600
they were growing so fast and expanding

5136
03:42:37,600 --> 03:42:39,200
their programming so fast. were like,

5137
03:42:39,200 --> 03:42:41,040
"Oh, you may want to slow down because

5138
03:42:41,040 --> 03:42:42,800
you are growing at such a robust rate

5139
03:42:42,800 --> 03:42:44,319
that this is going to become a problem

5140
03:42:44,319 --> 03:42:46,080
for you." And we've not seen it become a

5141
03:42:46,080 --> 03:42:46,640
problem.

5142
03:42:46,640 --> 03:42:49,120
>> They actually said when I remember a

5143
03:42:49,120 --> 03:42:50,399
couple cities approached them and said,

5144
03:42:50,399 --> 03:42:52,800
"Hey, we have this blight or this not

5145
03:42:52,800 --> 03:42:54,560
great area in town of our and we can you

5146
03:42:54,560 --> 03:42:55,760
do a community." They're like, "Well,

5147
03:42:55,760 --> 03:42:57,200
but everybody asks us to do that. We

5148
03:42:57,200 --> 03:42:58,560
have to be careful with our strategic

5149
03:42:58,560 --> 03:43:00,560
growth. We have so many opportunities.

5150
03:43:00,560 --> 03:43:02,640
We could overextend ourselves just like

5151
03:43:02,640 --> 03:43:06,640
that." So, yes, I 13.1 listed them as

5152
03:43:06,640 --> 03:43:09,600
strong. Is that good? Any changes? Any

5153
03:43:09,600 --> 03:43:11,520
comments differently on the paper?

5154
03:43:11,520 --> 03:43:13,520
>> I could say a lot more about it, but

5155
03:43:13,520 --> 03:43:14,800
>> I won't

5156
03:43:14,800 --> 03:43:16,239
>> go to their spring sale.

5157
03:43:16,239 --> 03:43:16,560
>> Yes,

5158
03:43:16,560 --> 03:43:19,680
>> I'll advocate for that. Tomato two

5159
03:43:19,680 --> 03:43:22,960
events in September. One's the tomato uh

5160
03:43:22,960 --> 03:43:25,359
the big tomato sandwich party.

5161
03:43:25,359 --> 03:43:25,680
>> Yeah.

5162
03:43:25,680 --> 03:43:26,960
that's very good.

5163
03:43:26,960 --> 03:43:29,680
>> I bought a $2.39 pumpkin plant that the

5164
03:43:29,680 --> 03:43:31,920
patch is as big as this room.

5165
03:43:31,920 --> 03:43:33,439
>> Wow.

5166
03:43:33,439 --> 03:43:35,120
>> You bought the plant, not the seeds from

5167
03:43:35,120 --> 03:43:37,760
them. the plans for $2.39. [laughter]

5168
03:43:37,760 --> 03:43:39,600
And I didn't know I would be in a war

5169
03:43:39,600 --> 03:43:42,414
every single week with pumpkin pine.

5170
03:43:42,414 --> 03:43:43,680
[laughter]

5171
03:43:43,680 --> 03:43:44,960
>> So, you're gonna have a Halloween

5172
03:43:44,960 --> 03:43:45,920
festival.

5173
03:43:45,920 --> 03:43:48,000
>> Um, we'll see. We'll see what happens

5174
03:43:48,000 --> 03:43:49,359
with that pumpkin vine.

5175
03:43:49,359 --> 03:43:51,359
>> So, we're on to a new entrance,

5176
03:43:51,359 --> 03:43:52,399
>> Tree Utah.

5177
03:43:52,399 --> 03:43:52,720
>> Yes.

5178
03:43:52,720 --> 03:43:54,080
>> Yeah.

5179
03:43:54,080 --> 03:43:57,359
>> Okay. Um, I was very impressed with

5180
03:43:57,359 --> 03:43:59,760
them. Um, their work that they do is

5181
03:43:59,760 --> 03:44:02,720
very impressive. Um, they have a lot of

5182
03:44:02,720 --> 03:44:05,279
partnerships. a lot of partnerships and

5183
03:44:05,279 --> 03:44:07,279
their partnerships I feel they are very

5184
03:44:07,279 --> 03:44:08,800
strategic about how they take advantage

5185
03:44:08,800 --> 03:44:11,439
of each of them. um the larger

5186
03:44:11,439 --> 03:44:13,840
partnerships they really learn from and

5187
03:44:13,840 --> 03:44:14,800
they make sure they really take

5188
03:44:14,800 --> 03:44:17,120
advantage of expert knowledge and then

5189
03:44:17,120 --> 03:44:18,800
the smaller partnerships the smaller

5190
03:44:18,800 --> 03:44:20,880
organs they they help them and so they

5191
03:44:20,880 --> 03:44:22,880
they're they're doing they're giving and

5192
03:44:22,880 --> 03:44:24,800
receiving in both directions right um

5193
03:44:24,800 --> 03:44:27,279
which I thought was very nice um they

5194
03:44:27,279 --> 03:44:28,880
have no shortage of volunteers they do

5195
03:44:28,880 --> 03:44:30,319
all this tree plantings right that's

5196
03:44:30,319 --> 03:44:32,720
what they do um and it seems like they

5197
03:44:32,720 --> 03:44:34,800
have yeah they never have they always

5198
03:44:34,800 --> 03:44:37,439
have volunteers um I wasn't able to

5199
03:44:37,439 --> 03:44:39,040
attend any of them because it was

5200
03:44:39,040 --> 03:44:42,000
summertime so they plants, but I did um

5201
03:44:42,000 --> 03:44:44,080
they had a table at the Utah Arts

5202
03:44:44,080 --> 03:44:46,720
Festival and I was very impressed with

5203
03:44:46,720 --> 03:44:48,640
how they had the information laid out.

5204
03:44:48,640 --> 03:44:50,800
They had little stick activities for the

5205
03:44:50,800 --> 03:44:53,040
kids and um it was just a good way to

5206
03:44:53,040 --> 03:44:54,880
like just they're always gathering more

5207
03:44:54,880 --> 03:44:59,040
volunteers to help them. Um

5208
03:44:59,040 --> 03:45:02,560
let's see, they are growing and they do

5209
03:45:02,560 --> 03:45:07,359
have steady funding. Um, all of their

5210
03:45:07,359 --> 03:45:11,199
money comes from donations and um, yes,

5211
03:45:11,199 --> 03:45:16,080
donors. Um, they my my concern with them

5212
03:45:16,080 --> 03:45:18,399
is that because they've been growing,

5213
03:45:18,399 --> 03:45:22,880
they had a lot of new hires. Um, and so

5214
03:45:22,880 --> 03:45:26,080
right now it's Amy, uh, she kind of just

5215
03:45:26,080 --> 03:45:28,239
does every single thing. Every single

5216
03:45:28,239 --> 03:45:31,040
thing. I sat in on a board meeting. Um,

5217
03:45:31,040 --> 03:45:33,040
and when they went over things, she

5218
03:45:33,040 --> 03:45:34,720
she's the one that's going through every

5219
03:45:34,720 --> 03:45:36,560
single line of financial. She's the one

5220
03:45:36,560 --> 03:45:37,920
that's going through like just week to

5221
03:45:37,920 --> 03:45:40,399
week every single thing. It's way more

5222
03:45:40,399 --> 03:45:43,520
than a full-time job for her. Um, I I

5223
03:45:43,520 --> 03:45:45,840
liked seeing that they have hired out a

5224
03:45:45,840 --> 03:45:48,000
few things, but it does seem very fresh

5225
03:45:48,000 --> 03:45:50,000
and very new. Um, when I asked about

5226
03:45:50,000 --> 03:45:52,000
like marketing things or if they track

5227
03:45:52,000 --> 03:45:53,920
things, they just hired someone to do

5228
03:45:53,920 --> 03:45:56,160
that. And this will be they have a

5229
03:45:56,160 --> 03:45:58,399
survey and some feedback options that

5230
03:45:58,399 --> 03:46:00,800
they are going to be launching. um if

5231
03:46:00,800 --> 03:46:04,239
they either soon or maybe now this

5232
03:46:04,239 --> 03:46:07,040
month. Um and so I am concerned about

5233
03:46:07,040 --> 03:46:09,120
them being overextended that way. They

5234
03:46:09,120 --> 03:46:11,120
did hire a grant writer to help with

5235
03:46:11,120 --> 03:46:13,279
this application. Um which I thought was

5236
03:46:13,279 --> 03:46:16,160
smart of them. Um however, I I did meet

5237
03:46:16,160 --> 03:46:19,040
her. Um she had some odd questions for

5238
03:46:19,040 --> 03:46:21,600
me about the ZAP application which made

5239
03:46:21,600 --> 03:46:24,560
me question why she didn't ask you guys

5240
03:46:24,560 --> 03:46:27,359
these questions. um they didn't seem to

5241
03:46:27,359 --> 03:46:29,520
be aware of the the research um

5242
03:46:29,520 --> 03:46:31,040
requirement and so I don't know if you

5243
03:46:31,040 --> 03:46:32,720
guys saw the request for clarification

5244
03:46:32,720 --> 03:46:35,359
in that they seemed to be happy with

5245
03:46:35,359 --> 03:46:37,199
their answer. Um I don't know what

5246
03:46:37,199 --> 03:46:39,267
counts as a research

5247
03:46:39,267 --> 03:46:39,279
>> [clears throat]

5248
03:46:39,279 --> 03:46:41,760
>> um arm as I have a science background

5249
03:46:41,760 --> 03:46:44,399
and so when they answered me I don't

5250
03:46:44,399 --> 03:46:46,239
feel like that's research um but I don't

5251
03:46:46,239 --> 03:46:49,520
know what if we have a very clearly

5252
03:46:49,520 --> 03:46:50,720
defined

5253
03:46:50,720 --> 03:46:54,479
>> okay okay um so that was yeah that was

5254
03:46:54,479 --> 03:46:56,720
my concern is just that they they do

5255
03:46:56,720 --> 03:46:59,600
want to grow very quickly um I just

5256
03:46:59,600 --> 03:47:01,279
don't it feels like they're still just

5257
03:47:01,279 --> 03:47:03,040
kind of settling and figuring out that

5258
03:47:03,040 --> 03:47:06,239
balance of like how to support their

5259
03:47:06,239 --> 03:47:07,840
growth of the staff that they currently

5260
03:47:07,840 --> 03:47:10,239
have and that they're hoping to grow.

5261
03:47:10,239 --> 03:47:14,239
Um, and then

5262
03:47:14,239 --> 03:47:15,760
see,

5263
03:47:15,760 --> 03:47:17,600
maybe I'll stop there. Um,

5264
03:47:17,600 --> 03:47:19,760
>> Amanda, are they they've been around a

5265
03:47:19,760 --> 03:47:21,920
long time, like 30 years or something,

5266
03:47:21,920 --> 03:47:22,319
right?

5267
03:47:22,319 --> 03:47:24,640
>> Yes. Yes. So, they've been around um it

5268
03:47:24,640 --> 03:47:26,880
seems like they're now just starting to

5269
03:47:26,880 --> 03:47:29,120
really like click and like want to grow

5270
03:47:29,120 --> 03:47:32,479
into something bigger. Um they oh they

5271
03:47:32,479 --> 03:47:34,560
also talked about they they have a new

5272
03:47:34,560 --> 03:47:35,840
office space that they actually just

5273
03:47:35,840 --> 03:47:38,239
moved into I think last week or next

5274
03:47:38,239 --> 03:47:39,840
week. Um and that's something that

5275
03:47:39,840 --> 03:47:40,960
they've been struggling with because

5276
03:47:40,960 --> 03:47:43,359
they just didn't have like a good space

5277
03:47:43,359 --> 03:47:45,680
to keep it. It just sounds like Amy's

5278
03:47:45,680 --> 03:47:47,439
just been kind of it's just been this

5279
03:47:47,439 --> 03:47:48,239
one person show.

5280
03:47:48,239 --> 03:47:50,399
>> How long's she been part of?

5281
03:47:50,399 --> 03:47:52,800
>> I think she said 14 or 15 years. She

5282
03:47:52,800 --> 03:47:54,720
started as a volunteer and started doing

5283
03:47:54,720 --> 03:47:56,560
more and more and now she's just kind of

5284
03:47:56,560 --> 03:47:58,239
running the whole thing. So my concern

5285
03:47:58,239 --> 03:48:01,359
is with the sustainability of um yeah

5286
03:48:01,359 --> 03:48:01,920
how stable

5287
03:48:01,920 --> 03:48:03,279
>> they've been in tier two

5288
03:48:03,279 --> 03:48:04,720
>> uh I can pair down now that's great time

5289
03:48:04,720 --> 03:48:06,382
thank you for that so they

5290
03:48:06,382 --> 03:48:07,520
[clears throat] have been in tier 2

5291
03:48:07,520 --> 03:48:09,439
since day one so they've been a tier 2

5292
03:48:09,439 --> 03:48:13,279
grantee um in tier two for 30 next year

5293
03:48:13,279 --> 03:48:14,960
30 years or 29th through be their 29th

5294
03:48:14,960 --> 03:48:17,600
year a couple things to think about is

5295
03:48:17,600 --> 03:48:19,279
remember the reason I did a clification

5296
03:48:19,279 --> 03:48:21,600
is there's these call them tests so

5297
03:48:21,600 --> 03:48:23,040
there's three things they have to do to

5298
03:48:23,040 --> 03:48:26,560
be a botanical right um and um

5299
03:48:26,560 --> 03:48:29,120
horicultural these are cultural display

5300
03:48:29,120 --> 03:48:31,359
community education and research is

5301
03:48:31,359 --> 03:48:32,800
three of them. So I did that request for

5302
03:48:32,800 --> 03:48:34,160
clarification. I had some communication

5303
03:48:34,160 --> 03:48:37,600
with both Andrea um yeah about her one

5304
03:48:37,600 --> 03:48:38,880
but then the other two just to make sure

5305
03:48:38,880 --> 03:48:40,479
that tree Utah was in line with the

5306
03:48:40,479 --> 03:48:43,040
other two. Um they responded in all

5307
03:48:43,040 --> 03:48:45,920
three areas that I asked about. Um, we

5308
03:48:45,920 --> 03:48:47,760
also a little bit have staff have a

5309
03:48:47,760 --> 03:48:49,359
concern regarding research as well as

5310
03:48:49,359 --> 03:48:51,439
some of their other ones regarding I

5311
03:48:51,439 --> 03:48:52,800
know they're planting a lot of trees and

5312
03:48:52,800 --> 03:48:55,279
they're on display but they do they have

5313
03:48:55,279 --> 03:48:57,680
information why that tree why that area

5314
03:48:57,680 --> 03:48:59,520
what's doing for them what's is there a

5315
03:48:59,520 --> 03:49:01,520
botanical display some of their language

5316
03:49:01,520 --> 03:49:05,439
as you saw in application was future planned um and so those three

5317
03:49:05,439 --> 03:49:08,000
areas the question I would ask the board

5318
03:49:08,000 --> 03:49:09,680
and from staff's point of view as well

5319
03:49:09,680 --> 03:49:13,040
is um when you look at a theater company

5320
03:49:13,040 --> 03:49:14,880
in tier one and a theater company in

5321
03:49:14,880 --> 03:49:17,199
tier 2, you have different expectations

5322
03:49:17,199 --> 03:49:19,040
at the level in which they're work.

5323
03:49:19,040 --> 03:49:20,640
>> Sometimes it's not very defined in some

5324
03:49:20,640 --> 03:49:22,800
of the disciplines, right? Besides the

5325
03:49:22,800 --> 03:49:26,319
scoring criteria in um sorry, botanical,

5326
03:49:26,319 --> 03:49:28,319
it's sort of more deline defined, right?

5327
03:49:28,319 --> 03:49:30,479
The three areas. Now, we as staff will

5328
03:49:30,479 --> 03:49:32,399
have to work on the three areas and

5329
03:49:32,399 --> 03:49:34,160
saying like this is the level a tier one

5330
03:49:34,160 --> 03:49:35,359
should be at for research and this is

5331
03:49:35,359 --> 03:49:37,359
the level a tier two can be at. We

5332
03:49:37,359 --> 03:49:38,479
haven't done that. We haven't gone that

5333
03:49:38,479 --> 03:49:40,399
direction yet. Um we think that would be

5334
03:49:40,399 --> 03:49:42,399
helpful to be supportive to them. But

5335
03:49:42,399 --> 03:49:43,920
when we look at this, we are concerned a

5336
03:49:43,920 --> 03:49:45,439
little bit with the responses of those

5337
03:49:45,439 --> 03:49:47,520
particular three areas that while they

5338
03:49:47,520 --> 03:49:49,279
they're satisfactory, we think for a

5339
03:49:49,279 --> 03:49:51,600
tier two, um just thinking about the

5340
03:49:51,600 --> 03:49:53,040
worthiness of the other applicants

5341
03:49:53,040 --> 03:49:55,199
within this pool that satisfy those

5342
03:49:55,199 --> 03:49:57,680
things at a tier one level versus maybe

5343
03:49:57,680 --> 03:49:58,960
a tier 2 level.

5344
03:49:58,960 --> 03:50:00,239
>> Is this the first time they've applied

5345
03:50:00,239 --> 03:50:01,040
for tier one?

5346
03:50:01,040 --> 03:50:02,880
>> As far as we know, it's the first time.

5347
03:50:02,880 --> 03:50:04,640
>> Why did they want to apply tier one?

5348
03:50:04,640 --> 03:50:06,000
>> I think it's the growth she

5349
03:50:06,000 --> 03:50:07,279
>> Yeah, I think it's the growth. I think

5350
03:50:07,279 --> 03:50:08,800
they they really felt like they were at

5351
03:50:08,800 --> 03:50:11,199
a point where they can really do a lot

5352
03:50:11,199 --> 03:50:13,040
more. Um, and it seems like they're

5353
03:50:13,040 --> 03:50:14,319
ramping up for that with all the new

5354
03:50:14,319 --> 03:50:16,800
hires, with the new office space. Um,

5355
03:50:16,800 --> 03:50:18,640
and just really really trying to get

5356
03:50:18,640 --> 03:50:21,040
things more

5357
03:50:21,040 --> 03:50:23,840
>> stable. Um, I think we are very

5358
03:50:23,840 --> 03:50:25,439
deserving. I think the work they do

5359
03:50:25,439 --> 03:50:27,199
directly impacts the community. It's

5360
03:50:27,199 --> 03:50:28,319
amazing.

5361
03:50:28,319 --> 03:50:29,760
>> They deserve it in tier one.

5362
03:50:29,760 --> 03:50:32,080
>> I don't know. Um, it's just that concern

5363
03:50:32,080 --> 03:50:33,439
of I think they're just right on that

5364
03:50:33,439 --> 03:50:36,000
edge where if they had the support, I

5365
03:50:36,000 --> 03:50:38,239
think they could get there. It's just

5366
03:50:38,239 --> 03:50:39,840
they haven't shown if they're going to

5367
03:50:39,840 --> 03:50:40,560
get there.

5368
03:50:40,560 --> 03:50:42,560
>> Maybe this is a bridge for them to

5369
03:50:42,560 --> 03:50:45,279
develop their strategic plan more

5370
03:50:45,279 --> 03:50:47,920
intentionally so it so they can develop

5371
03:50:47,920 --> 03:50:49,840
their their research. They can reach out

5372
03:50:49,840 --> 03:50:52,319
to more municipalities and in their

5373
03:50:52,319 --> 03:50:54,800
growth look more like a tier one.

5374
03:50:54,800 --> 03:50:55,359
>> Yeah.

5375
03:50:55,359 --> 03:50:56,640
>> I think Peter said this last year. It's

5376
03:50:56,640 --> 03:50:57,920
going along what you said. I think Peter

5377
03:50:57,920 --> 03:50:59,600
said something like this last year about

5378
03:50:59,600 --> 03:51:01,680
both new applicant entrance last year

5379
03:51:01,680 --> 03:51:04,640
which is they're on a cusp of some level

5380
03:51:04,640 --> 03:51:06,640
and they could be potent they have the

5381
03:51:06,640 --> 03:51:09,199
potential for a tier one but sometimes

5382
03:51:09,199 --> 03:51:12,239
you can't put the cart you know they're

5383
03:51:12,239 --> 03:51:14,319
not necessarily um doing that

5384
03:51:14,319 --> 03:51:15,680
programming that what you're looking for

5385
03:51:15,680 --> 03:51:18,080
in a level of a tier one um

5386
03:51:18,080 --> 03:51:20,000
>> before the money I think that was what

5387
03:51:20,000 --> 03:51:21,120
the comment was and so

5388
03:51:21,120 --> 03:51:22,479
>> I don't think we're in a position to

5389
03:51:22,479 --> 03:51:24,160
fund their future right

5390
03:51:24,160 --> 03:51:26,080
>> and their economic model doesn't provide

5391
03:51:26,080 --> 03:51:27,680
any earned revenue

5392
03:51:27,680 --> 03:51:31,840
It's completely on grants. And so they I don't know they have this philosophy.

5393
03:51:31,840 --> 03:51:33,520
They said, "Well, we're supposed to just

5394
03:51:33,520 --> 03:51:35,199
get money. That's how we sustain

5395
03:51:35,199 --> 03:51:35,520
ourselves."

5396
03:51:35,520 --> 03:51:37,120
>> And I asked them specifically, "Do you

5397
03:51:37,120 --> 03:51:40,800
do you have any plans for making revenue

5398
03:51:40,800 --> 03:51:42,160
in other ways and

5399
03:51:42,160 --> 03:51:43,520
>> sell a tree?

5400
03:51:43,520 --> 03:51:46,800
>> Sell sell plants, sell workshops, do

5401
03:51:46,800 --> 03:51:48,560
ticketed events, like like just little

5402
03:51:48,560 --> 03:51:50,720
anything, right? Educational, whatever."

5403
03:51:50,720 --> 03:51:52,479
Um, and it just didn't seem like

5404
03:51:52,479 --> 03:51:54,800
something they had in their pipeline at

5405
03:51:54,800 --> 03:51:55,520
all.

5406
03:51:55,520 --> 03:51:57,439
they wouldn't get really any more money

5407
03:51:57,439 --> 03:51:59,760
or just manpower. I think it's a

5408
03:51:59,760 --> 03:52:02,560
manpower but so I I don't think it was

5409
03:52:02,560 --> 03:52:04,000
on the [laughter] table for them just

5410
03:52:04,000 --> 03:52:05,279
because they haven't had the bandwidth

5411
03:52:05,279 --> 03:52:06,399
to even consider something like

5412
03:52:06,399 --> 03:52:07,840
>> they have a strong sorry they have they

5413
03:52:07,840 --> 03:52:10,239
have a strong chair the chair I former

5414
03:52:10,239 --> 03:52:12,319
relationship from a previous lifetime

5415
03:52:12,319 --> 03:52:14,880
ago um very strong chair so that might

5416
03:52:14,880 --> 03:52:16,720
be some of the impetus too is like how

5417
03:52:16,720 --> 03:52:19,760
do we take this to the next level um so

5418
03:52:19,760 --> 03:52:20,880
it's a strong chair but they have

5419
03:52:20,880 --> 03:52:22,800
potential really great

5420
03:52:22,800 --> 03:52:24,800
>> yeah really surprised oh I'm sorry Pete

5421
03:52:24,800 --> 03:52:26,399
>> I was going to say you know we've been

5422
03:52:26,399 --> 03:52:27,680
through this the last couple years it's

5423
03:52:27,680 --> 03:52:29,439
very competitive to

5424
03:52:29,439 --> 03:52:31,680
we'd have to knock somebody else out.

5425
03:52:31,680 --> 03:52:33,920
>> I just don't see it as a new entrance,

5426
03:52:33,920 --> 03:52:35,359
first time application. There's some

5427
03:52:35,359 --> 03:52:36,800
work that they can do.

5428
03:52:36,800 --> 03:52:38,319
>> And frankly, I don't think the funding

5429
03:52:38,319 --> 03:52:40,160
would be that much different from tier 2

5430
03:52:40,160 --> 03:52:42,800
to tier one. I you know, they may think

5431
03:52:42,800 --> 03:52:44,080
so. I think a lot of people have the

5432
03:52:44,080 --> 03:52:45,600
wrong idea

5433
03:52:45,600 --> 03:52:46,960
>> because the funding is just a different

5434
03:52:46,960 --> 03:52:47,359
deal.

5435
03:52:47,359 --> 03:52:48,560
>> Well, that was one of their their

5436
03:52:48,560 --> 03:52:49,680
questions I thought was interesting.

5437
03:52:49,680 --> 03:52:52,319
They didn't know how much to ask for.

5438
03:52:52,319 --> 03:52:53,520
>> That's a tier two question.

5439
03:52:53,520 --> 03:52:55,040
>> Yeah, that's Yeah, they did contact

5440
03:52:55,040 --> 03:52:56,880
staff. We didn't we didn't

5441
03:52:56,880 --> 03:52:58,319
>> Okay. because I told them to

5442
03:52:58,319 --> 03:53:00,080
>> I mean even to do the application even

5443
03:53:00,080 --> 03:53:01,520
to turn the application in when someone

5444
03:53:01,520 --> 03:53:03,199
moves from a tier one to tier two it's

5445
03:53:03,199 --> 03:53:04,000
very

5446
03:53:04,000 --> 03:53:05,920
>> briefly reached out at the open house

5447
03:53:05,920 --> 03:53:07,680
but beyond that during the application

5448
03:53:07,680 --> 03:53:09,680
period they did not consult us

5449
03:53:09,680 --> 03:53:10,800
>> their reaction

5450
03:53:10,800 --> 03:53:12,720
>> and I and I know we're going beyond time

5451
03:53:12,720 --> 03:53:14,720
but it's really re important because

5452
03:53:14,720 --> 03:53:16,479
this score is going to determine if

5453
03:53:16,479 --> 03:53:18,479
somebody else gets bumped out and so I

5454
03:53:18,479 --> 03:53:21,040
just want to offer my insight similar to

5455
03:53:21,040 --> 03:53:23,439
Peter having been here for a while I

5456
03:53:23,439 --> 03:53:25,920
didn't score this application uh

5457
03:53:25,920 --> 03:53:28,640
exclusively on the quality of what they

5458
03:53:28,640 --> 03:53:30,880
are doing in the community. I scored it

5459
03:53:30,880 --> 03:53:33,520
in comparison to what is required for

5460
03:53:33,520 --> 03:53:36,479
tier one. So it really was surprising to

5461
03:53:36,479 --> 03:53:39,040
me when my score was a four for them

5462
03:53:39,040 --> 03:53:41,120
based on really how they compete on a

5463
03:53:41,120 --> 03:53:43,359
tier one level to see that their score

5464
03:53:43,359 --> 03:53:46,800
was coming back as a 10. Um only because

5465
03:53:46,800 --> 03:53:48,399
it's not about the quality of what

5466
03:53:48,399 --> 03:53:49,359
they're doing. It's not about their

5467
03:53:49,359 --> 03:53:50,880
volunteer engagement. It's not about the

5468
03:53:50,880 --> 03:53:52,640
communities that they're reaching, but

5469
03:53:52,640 --> 03:53:55,199
it is the isolated mission of what

5470
03:53:55,199 --> 03:53:56,880
they're doing with the lack of

5471
03:53:56,880 --> 03:53:59,359
infrastructure. And as Peter so

5472
03:53:59,359 --> 03:54:01,439
profoundly said, we can't fund their

5473
03:54:01,439 --> 03:54:04,479
future. Um, and so as much as I love

5474
03:54:04,479 --> 03:54:06,479
what they're doing, from a tier one

5475
03:54:06,479 --> 03:54:08,080
perspective, I could not score them

5476
03:54:08,080 --> 03:54:10,399
higher than a four.

5477
03:54:10,399 --> 03:54:11,359
>> You gave [clears throat] them one for

5478
03:54:11,359 --> 03:54:12,080
each category.

5479
03:54:12,080 --> 03:54:15,120
>> I I put them weak as every category on a

5480
03:54:15,120 --> 03:54:17,520
tier one. From a tier one,

5481
03:54:17,520 --> 03:54:18,800
>> I think that's the way we should

5482
03:54:18,800 --> 03:54:21,359
evaluate it. Does anybody want to change

5483
03:54:21,359 --> 03:54:23,120
the comments on here? Adam, we know

5484
03:54:23,120 --> 03:54:25,359
Dustin's taking notes or do we need any

5485
03:54:25,359 --> 03:54:28,319
time to make adjustments?

5486
03:54:28,319 --> 03:54:30,160
>> Lynette, that was very compelling what

5487
03:54:30,160 --> 03:54:30,880
you just said.

5488
03:54:30,880 --> 03:54:32,399
>> Yeah. Okay. Please [clears throat] make

5489
03:54:32,399 --> 03:54:34,239
them insible and don't forget not just

5490
03:54:34,239 --> 03:54:36,399
hit save, but submit and then Cody can

5491
03:54:36,399 --> 03:54:38,000
see them and he will change the number.

5492
03:54:38,000 --> 03:54:39,920
So, in a little while, uh, as we start

5493
03:54:39,920 --> 03:54:41,760
to to get done, don't forget we'll be

5494
03:54:41,760 --> 03:54:43,199
able to pull up these in in ranking

5495
03:54:43,199 --> 03:54:45,199
order and make adjustments as we need

5496
03:54:45,199 --> 03:54:47,199
to. Uh, any other thoughts on tree?

5497
03:54:47,199 --> 03:54:48,640
Otherwise, we do need to move to the

5498
03:54:48,640 --> 03:54:50,399
zoologicals.

5499
03:54:50,399 --> 03:54:51,760
>> Yeah, just give them

5500
03:54:51,760 --> 03:54:52,880
>> go ahead. We'll give you that space on

5501
03:54:52,880 --> 03:54:55,279
time to go ahead and do that.

5502
03:54:55,279 --> 03:54:57,840
>> Sorry. So, if we're changing our score

5503
03:54:57,840 --> 03:55:00,720
and submittable, we open it, but we have

5504
03:55:00,720 --> 03:55:01,199
to

5505
03:55:01,199 --> 03:55:02,640
>> Yep. So, if you want to go ahead and

5506
03:55:02,640 --> 03:55:05,520
click on the organization. So,

5507
03:55:05,520 --> 03:55:07,680
>> okay. Yeah. Down here,

5508
03:55:07,680 --> 03:55:10,640
>> because those were questions I had that

5509
03:55:10,640 --> 03:55:13,680
answer. Okay. So, click on that.

5510
03:55:13,680 --> 03:55:14,960
>> Yeah. So, you're going to have to go in

5511
03:55:14,960 --> 03:55:17,040
and change the actual

5512
03:55:17,040 --> 03:55:22,630
Okay. And over here to me, right?

5513
03:55:22,640 --> 03:55:25,439
Those questions were exactly okay. Thank

5514
03:55:25,439 --> 03:55:27,199
Okay,

5515
03:55:27,199 --> 03:55:28,960
>> Cody, I'm having trouble getting to the

5516
03:55:28,960 --> 03:55:29,520
store.

5517
03:55:29,520 --> 03:55:31,520
>> Yeah, but it's still not letting me

5518
03:55:31,520 --> 03:55:43,110
change.

5519
03:55:43,120 --> 03:55:46,239
back to review.

5520
03:55:46,239 --> 03:55:50,080
>> Can you Can you hit the edit button?

5521
03:55:50,080 --> 03:55:51,439
>> That's it.

5522
03:55:51,439 --> 03:55:54,640
>> Yeah. And then that there you go.

5523
03:55:54,640 --> 03:55:55,439
>> So this was

5524
03:55:55,439 --> 03:56:00,710
>> Oh, I see. Thank you.

5525
03:56:00,720 --> 03:56:02,239
» Go back to

5526
03:56:02,239 --> 03:56:03,120
potential

5527
03:56:03,120 --> 03:56:07,802
>> but

5528
03:56:07,812 --> 03:56:10,469
[laughter]

5529
03:56:10,479 --> 03:56:18,938
yeah

5530
03:56:18,948 --> 03:56:23,830
[laughter]

5531
03:56:23,840 --> 03:56:27,439
» any pencil [laughter]

5532
03:56:27,439 --> 03:56:31,830
>> I couldn't find a pencil on her

5533
03:56:31,840 --> 03:56:33,680
and she's so good at this stuff.

5534
03:56:33,680 --> 03:56:36,160
>> Okay, so um we got one more sport

5535
03:56:36,160 --> 03:56:37,680
changing. I'll just do the order. Um

5536
03:56:37,680 --> 03:56:39,439
it's Utah

5537
03:56:39,439 --> 03:56:41,680
zoo and that is Amy and then we'll

5538
03:56:41,680 --> 03:56:44,800
switch to Heidi for the plant for the

5539
03:56:44,800 --> 03:56:48,080
aquarium and then for the avaryette

5540
03:56:48,080 --> 03:56:49,520
you're on.

5541
03:56:49,520 --> 03:56:51,120
>> So

5542
03:56:51,120 --> 03:56:52,399
>> the zoo go.

5543
03:56:52,399 --> 03:56:54,160
>> Yep. I'm next. I'm just updating.

5544
03:56:54,160 --> 03:56:55,520
>> She's just doing her school for one more

5545
03:56:55,520 --> 03:56:57,120
second.

5546
03:56:57,120 --> 03:56:59,600
Just update review.

5547
03:56:59,600 --> 03:57:03,040
>> Hit submit on that review so that it

5548
03:57:03,040 --> 03:57:03,520
comes through.

5549
03:57:03,520 --> 03:57:05,439
>> Can you see if we didn't submit to

5550
03:57:05,439 --> 03:57:10,960
submit? [laughter]

5551
03:57:10,960 --> 03:57:13,520
>> Did I do it wrong?

5552
03:57:13,520 --> 03:57:16,319
>> What were your scores before?

5553
03:57:16,319 --> 03:57:18,479
>> All right. I feel like BTS.

5554
03:57:18,479 --> 03:57:19,600
>> Yes, [laughter] I do.

5555
03:57:19,600 --> 03:57:22,560
>> I can see your eyes. You guys said it's

5556
03:57:22,560 --> 03:57:24,080
not in and I was like I went in and made

5557
03:57:24,080 --> 03:57:29,024
sure it was in like

5558
03:57:29,034 --> 03:57:29,279
[laughter]

5559
03:57:29,279 --> 03:57:31,520
>> I was like I saw in there I don't

5560
03:57:31,520 --> 03:57:34,720
understand and

5561
03:57:34,720 --> 03:57:36,640
we gid a little extension like maybe we

5562
03:57:36,640 --> 03:57:39,199
need Andrea extension was like at his

5563
03:57:39,199 --> 03:57:40,560
limit. He was like one extension. I'm

5564
03:57:40,560 --> 03:57:41,520
going to go call. [laughter]

5565
03:57:41,520 --> 03:57:43,359
>> Okay. It was really simple.

5566
03:57:43,359 --> 03:57:44,160
>> I'm so sorry.

5567
03:57:44,160 --> 03:57:45,439
>> It's okay. All I just had to do was go

5568
03:57:45,439 --> 03:57:48,000
and you know into each one. I know I

5569
03:57:48,000 --> 03:57:55,670
went I was like missing like one

5570
03:57:55,680 --> 03:57:58,880
messed up.

5571
03:57:58,880 --> 03:58:00,800
I went to take me off. I was like, "Oh,

5572
03:58:00,800 --> 03:58:03,439
I don't need to be on this." And I think

5573
03:58:03,439 --> 03:58:03,920
it

5574
03:58:03,920 --> 03:58:05,199
>> and I think I took the So I had to

5575
03:58:05,199 --> 03:58:06,080
message.

5576
03:58:06,080 --> 03:58:06,960
>> Hey,

5577
03:58:06,960 --> 03:58:08,989
>> why are you in my submittable? What?

5578
03:58:08,989 --> 03:58:14,710
[laughter]

5579
03:58:14,720 --> 03:58:16,319
» That separate us.

5580
03:58:16,319 --> 03:58:17,680
>> Do you need to get in your

5581
03:58:17,680 --> 03:58:21,040
>> No, I've got in it. But my question is I

5582
03:58:21,040 --> 03:58:22,960
haven't gone in to change my narrative.

5583
03:58:22,960 --> 03:58:25,040
I changed my scores.

5584
03:58:25,040 --> 03:58:26,960
>> Narrative can be fine.

5585
03:58:26,960 --> 03:58:29,279
>> I mean, were they to grab or request it?

5586
03:58:29,279 --> 03:58:30,640
There were things that I didn't

5587
03:58:30,640 --> 03:58:34,319
understand the narrative. So,

5588
03:58:34,319 --> 03:58:36,160
>> are these okay capturing the ones on

5589
03:58:36,160 --> 03:58:37,680
here and the ones that doesn't captured

5590
03:58:37,680 --> 03:58:39,840
it?

5591
03:58:39,840 --> 03:58:42,160
>> Okay. Okay. As long as I think the score

5592
03:58:42,160 --> 03:58:43,760
is for the grandma purposes, but what

5593
03:58:43,760 --> 03:58:46,720
you said is just fine. So, Amy, I think

5594
03:58:46,720 --> 03:58:47,439
you're on deck.

5595
03:58:47,439 --> 03:58:49,040
>> Yes. Yes. Is the zoo the oldest

5596
03:58:49,040 --> 03:58:51,840
organization having started nine?

5597
03:58:51,840 --> 03:58:53,359
>> I know they're one of the originals, but

5598
03:58:53,359 --> 03:58:58,150
I do not know they're

5599
03:58:58,160 --> 03:59:00,319
just quickly. I did we did capture all

5600
03:59:00,319 --> 03:59:03,439
your scores. Thanks. Good. Thank you.

5601
03:59:03,439 --> 03:59:06,399
>> Okay. Yes. Uh

5602
03:59:06,399 --> 03:59:10,560
>> again, blown away by just their mission

5603
03:59:10,560 --> 03:59:13,199
statement and then visiting them and

5604
03:59:13,199 --> 03:59:14,880
having an opportunity to have a behind

5605
03:59:14,880 --> 03:59:17,439
thescenes tour. Doug had not completely

5606
03:59:17,439 --> 03:59:19,199
left yet. So, I got to ride around the

5607
03:59:19,199 --> 03:59:23,120
golf cart with Doug and Liz and Aaron

5608
03:59:23,120 --> 03:59:25,520
and ask all kinds of questions. And we

5609
03:59:25,520 --> 03:59:29,199
got to go in. I wanted to visit the meet

5610
03:59:29,199 --> 03:59:32,160
the the vet and ask questions about how

5611
03:59:32,160 --> 03:59:34,000
can you possibly take care of this many

5612
03:59:34,000 --> 03:59:36,560
animals and do what you do and and I

5613
03:59:36,560 --> 03:59:39,680
just was blown away by all the com the

5614
03:59:39,680 --> 03:59:42,239
complex partnerships that they have and

5615
03:59:42,239 --> 03:59:45,520
you know a hospital donated their arm

5616
03:59:45,520 --> 03:59:49,840
over their operating room. Um they're

5617
03:59:49,840 --> 03:59:51,920
wanting to have everyone do the zoo

5618
03:59:51,920 --> 03:59:54,640
universities so that the level of care

5619
03:59:54,640 --> 03:59:59,199
for those animals and their habitats and

5620
03:59:59,199 --> 04:00:01,760
education of the public. Everybody is

5621
04:00:01,760 --> 04:00:04,720
involved as a team to take care of the

5622
04:00:04,720 --> 04:00:07,520
residents there and support the staff

5623
04:00:07,520 --> 04:00:09,199
that works there. They have like if they

5624
04:00:09,199 --> 04:00:13,520
lose an animal they have um bereavement

5625
04:00:13,520 --> 04:00:16,399
opportunities, support groups for the

5626
04:00:16,399 --> 04:00:18,319
staff because it feels like family. If

5627
04:00:18,319 --> 04:00:21,040
they lose an animal, it is family. Uh

5628
04:00:21,040 --> 04:00:24,160
their ability to adjust

5629
04:00:24,160 --> 04:00:27,920
Doug shared that after CO they they

5630
04:00:27,920 --> 04:00:34,000
realized they needed that uh contingency plan. So

5631
04:00:34,000 --> 04:00:36,000
they figured out a way to have four

5632
04:00:36,000 --> 04:00:39,040
months of operating expense was there.

5633
04:00:39,040 --> 04:00:41,439
The zoo closes down.

5634
04:00:41,439 --> 04:00:43,760
Uh just things, you know, when you go on

5635
04:00:43,760 --> 04:00:46,160
a tour like that, like, oh, what's that

5636
04:00:46,160 --> 04:00:48,560
for? Oh, an animal was delivered. And so

5637
04:00:48,560 --> 04:00:50,960
I got an explanation of how complicated

5638
04:00:50,960 --> 04:00:53,279
it is to move a big animal across the

5639
04:00:53,279 --> 04:00:55,439
country. They have to have, you know,

5640
04:00:55,439 --> 04:00:58,319
like what happens if it's it has to be a

5641
04:00:58,319 --> 04:01:01,040
cool environment. Something breaks. And

5642
04:01:01,040 --> 04:01:02,800
they have all these partnerships across

5643
04:01:02,800 --> 04:01:08,560
the country that go in service. Then I put my foot in my mouth. How do

5644
04:01:08,560 --> 04:01:11,760
you know if a polar bear has hernia? And

5645
04:01:11,760 --> 04:01:14,800
they're like, well, you can see it.

5646
04:01:14,800 --> 04:01:17,840
>> Oh, but then there's an update. And I

5647
04:01:17,840 --> 04:01:19,439
walked around the zoo a different time.

5648
04:01:19,439 --> 04:01:22,319
There's an update bear's doing. So then

5649
04:01:22,319 --> 04:01:24,640
it educates the public and if the public

5650
04:01:24,640 --> 04:01:26,080
sees something. [clears throat]

5651
04:01:26,080 --> 04:01:30,560
Um, so I I just What about that? Uh, and

5652
04:01:30,560 --> 04:01:32,080
also

5653
04:01:32,080 --> 04:01:34,000
I always wanted to go to the zoo growing

5654
04:01:34,000 --> 04:01:35,439
up in Pittsburgh. There was this big

5655
04:01:35,439 --> 04:01:37,760
escalator that goes up to the zoo if

5656
04:01:37,760 --> 04:01:41,040
it's still there. But, uh, just amazing

5657
04:01:41,040 --> 04:01:42,640
opportunity to see so many different

5658
04:01:42,640 --> 04:01:44,160
kinds of animals that you normally

5659
04:01:44,160 --> 04:01:46,560
wouldn't see. And then you know that

5660
04:01:46,560 --> 04:01:48,800
distance of taking my kids there and

5661
04:01:48,800 --> 04:01:51,680
then the period of time you kind of feel

5662
04:01:51,680 --> 04:01:53,279
like oh is it kind of mean that they

5663
04:01:53,279 --> 04:01:57,120
keep the animals like that you know and

5664
04:01:57,120 --> 04:01:59,680
then looking at Hogal Zoo and seeing all

5665
04:01:59,680 --> 04:02:03,120
the partnerships with local conservation

5666
04:02:03,120 --> 04:02:06,319
groups what they're actually doing for

5667
04:02:06,319 --> 04:02:11,040
educating people about uh taking care of

5668
04:02:11,040 --> 04:02:12,960
and it's a whole another perspective in

5669
04:02:12,960 --> 04:02:16,319
this new fact that they got a perfect

5670
04:02:16,319 --> 04:02:19,120
score on their zoo accreditation is just

5671
04:02:19,120 --> 04:02:21,279
I think only 10 organizations have ever

5672
04:02:21,279 --> 04:02:22,960
done that. I went and looked at that

5673
04:02:22,960 --> 04:02:25,680
criteria and I was like, "Oh,

5674
04:02:25,680 --> 04:02:28,640
the main concern I had, how much of the

5675
04:02:28,640 --> 04:02:32,720
institutional knowledge goes with Doug

5676
04:02:32,720 --> 04:02:34,479
just because you know he wrote his but

5677
04:02:34,479 --> 04:02:35,760
he lived two miles from there or

5678
04:02:35,760 --> 04:02:37,439
something wrote his bike."

5679
04:02:37,439 --> 04:02:39,040
>> Clarify that a little bit, Amy, because

5680
04:02:39,040 --> 04:02:41,840
Liz Larson, their VP, she's been there

5681
04:02:41,840 --> 04:02:43,120
for 35 years.

5682
04:02:43,120 --> 04:02:45,040
>> Yeah. I was just going to add to that. I

5683
04:02:45,040 --> 04:02:48,319
was blown away by her knowledge of

5684
04:02:48,319 --> 04:02:51,040
>> what happens. So, but just the way that

5685
04:02:51,040 --> 04:02:54,239
they work with teams and other people do

5686
04:02:54,239 --> 04:02:57,120
know and I even suggested at one point

5687
04:02:57,120 --> 04:02:59,439
be interesting for them to collaborate

5688
04:02:59,439 --> 04:03:02,720
maybe on some kind of a a resource to

5689
04:03:02,720 --> 04:03:04,399
write down some of those things that

5690
04:03:04,399 --> 04:03:07,439
might get lost. But yes, I mean, wow,

5691
04:03:07,439 --> 04:03:08,319
what a

5692
04:03:08,319 --> 04:03:11,600
>> I think Doug's father was involved.

5693
04:03:11,600 --> 04:03:13,199
>> So, I mean, it's sort of a generational

5694
04:03:13,199 --> 04:03:13,359
thing.

5695
04:03:13,359 --> 04:03:14,479
>> Oh, yeah. He used to ride his bike to

5696
04:03:14,479 --> 04:03:14,800
the

5697
04:03:14,800 --> 04:03:16,720
>> They may be related to the Hogle family.

5698
04:03:16,720 --> 04:03:18,399
I don't know. I think they've got pretty

5699
04:03:18,399 --> 04:03:20,160
deep bench,

5700
04:03:20,160 --> 04:03:22,319
>> but he he shared, you know, just the the

5701
04:03:22,319 --> 04:03:23,920
level of like when you think about it,

5702
04:03:23,920 --> 04:03:26,479
the liability of, you know, keeping the

5703
04:03:26,479 --> 04:03:28,160
animals safe, you got [clears throat]

5704
04:03:28,160 --> 04:03:29,920
people coming in and I treat it like

5705
04:03:29,920 --> 04:03:32,080
it's an amusement park, so you know, you

5706
04:03:32,080 --> 04:03:33,520
don't want somebody getting hurt. Then

5707
04:03:33,520 --> 04:03:36,479
you got restaurants and then you got

5708
04:03:36,479 --> 04:03:37,920
>> disability to think about. You know,

5709
04:03:37,920 --> 04:03:39,840
there's just the diversity of programs

5710
04:03:39,840 --> 04:03:42,000
they offer. And it's

5711
04:03:42,000 --> 04:03:44,160
>> it's a complicated. The other thing I

5712
04:03:44,160 --> 04:03:46,000
you know there's criticisms about zoos

5713
04:03:46,000 --> 04:03:48,319
in general you know but you think about

5714
04:03:48,319 --> 04:03:50,000
it as you were speaking

5715
04:03:50,000 --> 04:03:51,600
>> how would people understand anything

5716
04:03:51,600 --> 04:03:54,160
about wildlife if you didn't have a zoo

5717
04:03:54,160 --> 04:03:55,120
>> right

5718
04:03:55,120 --> 04:03:57,120
>> few people actually go and see these

5719
04:03:57,120 --> 04:03:58,960
animals in safari and that they're

5720
04:03:58,960 --> 04:04:00,720
protected these animals

5721
04:04:00,720 --> 04:04:02,560
>> in many cases would not survive in the

5722
04:04:02,560 --> 04:04:04,960
wild with the life expectancy that they

5723
04:04:04,960 --> 04:04:06,239
have and the care

5724
04:04:06,239 --> 04:04:08,399
>> and their adaptation too to realize okay

5725
04:04:08,399 --> 04:04:10,160
our animal pen is really not big enough

5726
04:04:10,160 --> 04:04:11,600
for the elephants so we're going to

5727
04:04:11,600 --> 04:04:13,439
phase this out as much as it might said

5728
04:04:13,439 --> 04:04:15,439
people, we're going to focus on some of

5729
04:04:15,439 --> 04:04:17,040
the more local species.

5730
04:04:17,040 --> 04:04:18,880
>> Did you get to feed a giraffe with a

5731
04:04:18,880 --> 04:04:19,920
leaf?

5732
04:04:19,920 --> 04:04:22,999
>> I didn't, but I did that in Africa. So,

5733
04:04:22,999 --> 04:04:26,469
[laughter]

5734
04:04:26,479 --> 04:04:28,800
» yeah. No, I was really excited to to see

5735
04:04:28,800 --> 04:04:30,640
it. I had to go back with my camera and

5736
04:04:30,640 --> 04:04:33,439
just hang out pictures. Yeah.

5737
04:04:33,439 --> 04:04:34,640
>> So, spend a lot of time. They were my

5738
04:04:34,640 --> 04:04:38,160
lead review last year and um everything

5739
04:04:38,160 --> 04:04:40,800
that I offered as a suggestion to them,

5740
04:04:40,800 --> 04:04:42,479
they took to heart and they actually did

5741
04:04:42,479 --> 04:04:45,840
it um based on this application. And so

5742
04:04:45,840 --> 04:04:46,160
they

5743
04:04:46,160 --> 04:04:47,840
>> they were afraid of you.

5744
04:04:47,840 --> 04:04:50,160
>> They most people are they used to charge

5745
04:04:50,160 --> 04:04:52,880
$375 an hour to go in and evaluate

5746
04:04:52,880 --> 04:04:54,880
nonprofits, right?

5747
04:04:54,880 --> 04:04:55,760
>> Board members.

5748
04:04:55,760 --> 04:04:57,680
>> Yes. and and they have covered the

5749
04:04:57,680 --> 04:05:00,399
entire Salt Lake County now with they

5750
04:05:00,399 --> 04:05:02,319
had a very intentional recruitment

5751
04:05:02,319 --> 04:05:04,720
process and there were a number of

5752
04:05:04,720 --> 04:05:06,640
>> how did they do that? How could others

5753
04:05:06,640 --> 04:05:08,800
learn from the tier one to recruit?

5754
04:05:08,800 --> 04:05:10,080
>> Just give me a call and I'll tell you

5755
04:05:10,080 --> 04:05:10,800
how to do it.

5756
04:05:10,800 --> 04:05:14,000
>> No. Um but so yeah, I don't want to take

5757
04:05:14,000 --> 04:05:15,920
our time right now, but every single

5758
04:05:15,920 --> 04:05:17,760
thing that I pointed out was something

5759
04:05:17,760 --> 04:05:19,760
that would be a thirst for our board to

5760
04:05:19,760 --> 04:05:22,160
know. They were able to actually adapt

5761
04:05:22,160 --> 04:05:24,160
into this year's application. And that

5762
04:05:24,160 --> 04:05:26,080
was just one simple example. But the

5763
04:05:26,080 --> 04:05:27,439
other thing I really really had to point

5764
04:05:27,439 --> 04:05:31,279
out again the multi- the multi-solution

5765
04:05:31,279 --> 04:05:34,080
to the problem, right? The impressive um

5766
04:05:34,080 --> 04:05:36,239
technical SC school partnership that

5767
04:05:36,239 --> 04:05:37,600
they had where they had the high school

5768
04:05:37,600 --> 04:05:39,760
kids growing materials, learning how to

5769
04:05:39,760 --> 04:05:42,000
do this, then it's feeding the animals.

5770
04:05:42,000 --> 04:05:44,399
And so every time that's what we want

5771
04:05:44,399 --> 04:05:46,800
from tier one, right? is that kind of

5772
04:05:46,800 --> 04:05:50,000
complexity and integration into multiple

5773
04:05:50,000 --> 04:05:52,800
systems in our county I think is what

5774
04:05:52,800 --> 04:05:55,279
reflects this mission. Um and then of

5775
04:05:55,279 --> 04:05:57,680
course their dignified um programming

5776
04:05:57,680 --> 04:06:00,000
where they allow SNAP EDT people come in

5777
04:06:00,000 --> 04:06:02,160
every minute of every day that they're

5778
04:06:02,160 --> 04:06:04,960
open on a reduced admission that is a

5779
04:06:04,960 --> 04:06:07,120
real commitment to integrate people into

5780
04:06:07,120 --> 04:06:09,359
their story every day.

5781
04:06:09,359 --> 04:06:11,600
>> Timer did go off. Sorry. Yeah, I would

5782
04:06:11,600 --> 04:06:13,600
say in the summertime, just talk about

5783
04:06:13,600 --> 04:06:15,279
youth a lot, but in the summertime, if

5784
04:06:15,279 --> 04:06:16,960
you look at the variety of opportunities

5785
04:06:16,960 --> 04:06:18,479
for children to interact on a whole

5786
04:06:18,479 --> 04:06:19,920
another level with not behind a

5787
04:06:19,920 --> 04:06:22,479
plexiglass, not behind a thing, but

5788
04:06:22,479 --> 04:06:24,080
let's take the Girl Scouts for example,

5789
04:06:24,080 --> 04:06:26,319
but they go there and they do a project.

5790
04:06:26,319 --> 04:06:28,000
They're not just an education class

5791
04:06:28,000 --> 04:06:29,600
learning and kind of sitting there or

5792
04:06:29,600 --> 04:06:31,040
sort of interacting. You're literally

5793
04:06:31,040 --> 04:06:33,199
doing a project with them for them. And

5794
04:06:33,199 --> 04:06:34,319
I thought that was really interesting

5795
04:06:34,319 --> 04:06:36,720
that from a young age they're having

5796
04:06:36,720 --> 04:06:37,920
this different look than maybe our

5797
04:06:37,920 --> 04:06:39,279
generation was just always from the

5798
04:06:39,279 --> 04:06:43,760
outside, right? Sorry. Sorry I said that way, but I'm just saying it's a

5799
04:06:43,760 --> 04:06:45,359
different experience that they're having

5800
04:06:45,359 --> 04:06:46,720
and they're not charging for it. They

5801
04:06:46,720 --> 04:06:48,080
charge for the class or for, you know,

5802
04:06:48,080 --> 04:06:50,800
for the badge basically. The Girl Scouts

5803
04:06:50,800 --> 04:06:53,199
is a great example or I mean the zoo is

5804
04:06:53,199 --> 04:06:54,720
a great example of partnering with maybe

5805
04:06:54,720 --> 04:06:57,199
non-traditional things for summer camps

5806
04:06:57,199 --> 04:06:59,600
that people do actual projects and this

5807
04:06:59,600 --> 04:07:01,359
whole other relationship with zoos. For

5808
04:07:01,359 --> 04:07:02,800
them, you know, for for my daughter's

5809
04:07:02,800 --> 04:07:05,359
age, it's it's about like conservation.

5810
04:07:05,359 --> 04:07:06,800
Like the zoos that's what the zoo is

5811
04:07:06,800 --> 04:07:08,319
about. That's something different than

5812
04:07:08,319 --> 04:07:10,000
it was 20 or 30 years ago. And today

5813
04:07:10,000 --> 04:07:11,359
it's all about what are they doing here?

5814
04:07:11,359 --> 04:07:12,319
And look at

5815
04:07:12,319 --> 04:07:13,600
this mom. I'm like I don't even notice

5816
04:07:13,600 --> 04:07:15,439
these signals that she's seeing around.

5817
04:07:15,439 --> 04:07:18,160
And so I just think they're they're

5818
04:07:18,160 --> 04:07:19,760
ranked up there. They really are.

5819
04:07:19,760 --> 04:07:21,600
>> Their weakness is their humility because

5820
04:07:21,600 --> 04:07:24,239
they do not they didn't brag about that

5821
04:07:24,239 --> 04:07:26,720
aa accreditation enough. Twothirds of

5822
04:07:26,720 --> 04:07:28,960
their animals are endangered species,

5823
04:07:28,960 --> 04:07:31,520
right? So if those stories were getting

5824
04:07:31,520 --> 04:07:34,239
out more um they're they're not an

5825
04:07:34,239 --> 04:07:35,359
attraction. Like we have another

5826
04:07:35,359 --> 04:07:36,560
organization that believes they're an

5827
04:07:36,560 --> 04:07:38,800
attraction. The zoo does not. They

5828
04:07:38,800 --> 04:07:40,319
believe they are integral to the

5829
04:07:40,319 --> 04:07:43,439
community conservation and education.

5830
04:07:43,439 --> 04:07:45,840
>> So I also have to add I I got to go on a

5831
04:07:45,840 --> 04:07:47,840
fields trip with my daughter last year

5832
04:07:47,840 --> 04:07:50,399
and I and it kind of ties into what

5833
04:07:50,399 --> 04:07:51,840
Samantha's saying, a lot of what you

5834
04:07:51,840 --> 04:07:53,279
guys were saying

5835
04:07:53,279 --> 04:07:54,720
>> and and I got to take a group of

5836
04:07:54,720 --> 04:07:55,920
students with me, but they were

5837
04:07:55,920 --> 04:07:58,560
interacting. They had uh volunteers

5838
04:07:58,560 --> 04:08:00,720
stationed there to answer students

5839
04:08:00,720 --> 04:08:03,120
questions and they were so knowledgeable

5840
04:08:03,120 --> 04:08:05,040
and so patient and so kind. And then we

5841
04:08:05,040 --> 04:08:07,279
also made our way to the Utah area where

5842
04:08:07,279 --> 04:08:08,720
they have that little education center

5843
04:08:08,720 --> 04:08:10,880
and the students were very engaged. They

5844
04:08:10,880 --> 04:08:13,199
had a lot of questions and that's a big

5845
04:08:13,199 --> 04:08:15,920
deal to get your questions answered and

5846
04:08:15,920 --> 04:08:17,199
>> to feel like you're part of this

5847
04:08:17,199 --> 04:08:19,439
>> that word empowerment keep your

5848
04:08:19,439 --> 04:08:22,319
community anyway. Yeah. And that was

5849
04:08:22,319 --> 04:08:24,479
>> they did it better than Africa. Having

5850
04:08:24,479 --> 04:08:26,080
just come back from Africa, I was like

5851
04:08:26,080 --> 04:08:27,972
the zoo is much more educational.

5852
04:08:27,972 --> 04:08:30,000
[laughter]

5853
04:08:30,000 --> 04:08:33,359
» 4 to 13.7. You have a strong um is there

5854
04:08:33,359 --> 04:08:34,880
any change of score or any of the

5855
04:08:34,880 --> 04:08:36,319
comments that we may have captured that

5856
04:08:36,319 --> 04:08:41,429
are on this page?

5857
04:08:41,439 --> 04:08:42,880
» I didn't hear a yes or no. Anyway,

5858
04:08:42,880 --> 04:08:43,840
anybody?

5859
04:08:43,840 --> 04:08:44,880
>> I'm good.

5860
04:08:44,880 --> 04:08:46,960
>> Sound like maybe a score is changing.

5861
04:08:46,960 --> 04:08:48,640
Okay. Um,

5862
04:08:48,640 --> 04:08:52,640
>> so we're on to love

5863
04:08:52,640 --> 04:09:03,349
planet Aquar

5864
04:09:03,359 --> 04:09:05,439
who's

5865
04:09:05,439 --> 04:09:08,950
>> all right.

5866
04:09:08,960 --> 04:09:10,547
Um,

5867
04:09:10,547 --> 04:09:14,070
[clears throat]

5868
04:09:14,080 --> 04:09:18,469
okay.

5869
04:09:18,479 --> 04:09:22,800
Strength. Let's see. Um, you know, but

5870
04:09:22,800 --> 04:09:25,199
they've really expanded physically a

5871
04:09:25,199 --> 04:09:28,239
lot. Um, they are the fifth largest

5872
04:09:28,239 --> 04:09:31,439
aquarium now in the United States. Um,

5873
04:09:31,439 --> 04:09:34,319
their new science learning center is

5874
04:09:34,319 --> 04:09:37,439
pretty transformative for them. Um they

5875
04:09:37,439 --> 04:09:42,720
added uh 57 new uh staff this past year

5876
04:09:42,720 --> 04:09:45,760
um to support it the expanded

5877
04:09:45,760 --> 04:09:49,040
facilities. Um they have this

5878
04:09:49,040 --> 04:09:51,279
partnership with the USU freshwater and

5879
04:09:51,279 --> 04:09:54,160
marine ecology

5880
04:09:54,160 --> 04:09:56,000
bachelors of science degree that was

5881
04:09:56,000 --> 04:10:00,239
created. Um they added 3,000 animals

5882
04:10:00,239 --> 04:10:04,720
this year. Um,

5883
04:10:04,720 --> 04:10:06,399
and what they're saying, and I attended

5884
04:10:06,399 --> 04:10:08,160
a board meeting, and they said, you

5885
04:10:08,160 --> 04:10:11,600
know, after 15 years of rapid expansion

5886
04:10:11,600 --> 04:10:14,640
and building the rocket while flying it,

5887
04:10:14,640 --> 04:10:17,040
they're now focused internally on

5888
04:10:17,040 --> 04:10:20,160
meticulous calibration and the visitor

5889
04:10:20,160 --> 04:10:22,479
experience.

5890
04:10:22,479 --> 04:10:26,399
>> It is. Um and uh so you know it was

5891
04:10:26,399 --> 04:10:30,720
pretty astounding how they have grown um

5892
04:10:30,720 --> 04:10:35,040
over the the years. Uh they have almost

5893
04:10:35,040 --> 04:10:38,080
100 million in assets with little debt.

5894
04:10:38,080 --> 04:10:41,040
They have a new CFO who's really strong

5895
04:10:41,040 --> 04:10:45,680
really great financial reporting. Um

5896
04:10:45,680 --> 04:10:49,359
and um they have a new HR director who

5897
04:10:49,359 --> 04:10:52,319
is known who who is returning to the

5898
04:10:52,319 --> 04:10:54,319
aquarium and is kind of a beloved

5899
04:10:54,319 --> 04:10:57,439
figure. Sounds like they need kind of HR

5900
04:10:57,439 --> 04:11:00,000
um support because now they have these

5901
04:11:00,000 --> 04:11:04,080
two two different sort of campuses. Um

5902
04:11:04,080 --> 04:11:06,800
and they need like to foster staff

5903
04:11:06,800 --> 04:11:09,680
cohesion between the two locations. Um

5904
04:11:09,680 --> 04:11:11,680
>> two locations.

5905
04:11:11,680 --> 04:11:13,760
>> What are the two locations?

5906
04:11:13,760 --> 04:11:14,800
two buildings. I mean,

5907
04:11:14,800 --> 04:11:16,239
>> two buildings in the same campus.

5908
04:11:16,239 --> 04:11:18,080
>> Yeah. Sorry. But they sort of kind of do

5909
04:11:18,080 --> 04:11:20,080
different somewhat different things in

5910
04:11:20,080 --> 04:11:20,800
them sort of.

5911
04:11:20,800 --> 04:11:21,600
>> Yeah.

5912
04:11:21,600 --> 04:11:24,160
>> Do they still have that virtual whatever

5913
04:11:24,160 --> 04:11:25,439
>> Star Trek thing going on

5914
04:11:25,439 --> 04:11:27,199
>> under the VR underneath?

5915
04:11:27,199 --> 04:11:29,120
>> That's the

5916
04:11:29,120 --> 04:11:29,680
set.

5917
04:11:29,680 --> 04:11:31,040
>> I know.

5918
04:11:31,040 --> 04:11:33,199
>> It's underneath the

5919
04:11:33,199 --> 04:11:35,600
wonder

5920
04:11:35,600 --> 04:11:36,000
>> um

5921
04:11:36,000 --> 04:11:38,160
>> you saw that in the concert that that

5922
04:11:38,160 --> 04:11:40,239
same Yeah.

5923
04:11:40,239 --> 04:11:43,760
Um they added a new child care facility

5924
04:11:43,760 --> 04:11:47,840
that's uh run by a third party and um

5925
04:11:47,840 --> 04:11:50,720
rather than charging for rent they did

5926
04:11:50,720 --> 04:11:53,279
an inind arrangement so that staff get

5927
04:11:53,279 --> 04:11:56,160
14 spaces at this child care facility

5928
04:11:56,160 --> 04:11:58,640
which is helpful because uh in retention

5929
04:11:58,640 --> 04:12:00,800
of the zoological staff in particular

5930
04:12:00,800 --> 04:12:02,399
because you don't want a lot of

5931
04:12:02,399 --> 04:12:05,600
zoological staff turnover.

5932
04:12:05,600 --> 04:12:08,319
um

5933
04:12:08,319 --> 04:12:11,920
they have a really small board and four

5934
04:12:11,920 --> 04:12:16,479
meetings a year and and I was happy to

5935
04:12:16,479 --> 04:12:18,399
raise that question and stare at all of

5936
04:12:18,399 --> 04:12:20,000
them and they were all kind of a little

5937
04:12:20,000 --> 04:12:22,560
bit sort of defensive about it like one

5938
04:12:22,560 --> 04:12:22,960
of them

5939
04:12:22,960 --> 04:12:25,279
>> that's two years in

5940
04:12:25,279 --> 04:12:26,640
the first time they've heard this

5941
04:12:26,640 --> 04:12:30,239
>> yeah one of them was on the um uh Hail

5942
04:12:30,239 --> 04:12:31,680
Center theater board and kind of

5943
04:12:31,680 --> 04:12:33,760
compared the giant board to the small

5944
04:12:33,760 --> 04:12:36,399
board and how nimble they are and how

5945
04:12:36,399 --> 04:12:38,800
but they do seem really to have to bring

5946
04:12:38,800 --> 04:12:41,680
good expertise to the organization the

5947
04:12:41,680 --> 04:12:43,439
board you know um financial

5948
04:12:43,439 --> 04:12:45,120
>> I think two of I think one or two of the

5949
04:12:45,120 --> 04:12:47,040
board members is the major financial

5950
04:12:47,040 --> 04:12:50,080
backer also so they're not quite

5951
04:12:50,080 --> 04:12:52,560
independent

5952
04:12:52,560 --> 04:12:54,880
>> the venture people that funded a lot of

5953
04:12:54,880 --> 04:12:55,840
it so

5954
04:12:55,840 --> 04:12:59,199
>> okay are they

5955
04:12:59,199 --> 04:13:00,239
>> are planning on [clears throat] doing

5956
04:13:00,239 --> 04:13:02,159
any I went there recently I think for

5957
04:13:02,159 --> 04:13:03,359
birthday party and they used to have

5958
04:13:03,359 --> 04:13:06,239
their Asia exhibit kind up by their 3D

5959
04:13:06,239 --> 04:13:07,680
theater experience and they close that

5960
04:13:07,680 --> 04:13:09,520
off and put that in new section. Are

5961
04:13:09,520 --> 04:13:12,239
they are there plans to change that

5962
04:13:12,239 --> 04:13:14,479
space out or

5963
04:13:14,479 --> 04:13:16,720
>> did they is that the new

5964
04:13:16,720 --> 04:13:19,600
>> So they took the all the animals and up

5965
04:13:19,600 --> 04:13:22,800
on the second floor there they had like

5966
04:13:22,800 --> 04:13:25,359
the tiger there and they had some

5967
04:13:25,359 --> 04:13:26,479
animals there and they moved them down

5968
04:13:26,479 --> 04:13:28,800
into their new area that's connected to

5969
04:13:28,800 --> 04:13:30,720
the museum and they kind of walled that

5970
04:13:30,720 --> 04:13:33,279
area off. There was an existing space

5971
04:13:33,279 --> 04:13:35,120
there. I just didn't know if they were

5972
04:13:35,120 --> 04:13:37,199
planning on more

5973
04:13:37,199 --> 04:13:39,439
renovations or updates or if they're

5974
04:13:39,439 --> 04:13:41,040
they said anything about that.

5975
04:13:41,040 --> 04:13:43,359
>> I'm not really sure about that. Sorry.

5976
04:13:43,359 --> 04:13:44,800
>> They're still continuing renovations,

5977
04:13:44,800 --> 04:13:45,680
aren't they?

5978
04:13:45,680 --> 04:13:47,520
>> Well, this is already kind of

5979
04:13:47,520 --> 04:13:50,479
>> Yeah, I thought they were kind of done.

5980
04:13:50,479 --> 04:13:52,800
>> But

5981
04:13:52,800 --> 04:13:54,399
I I wanted to address one of the

5982
04:13:54,399 --> 04:13:56,080
comments on here really in the summary

5983
04:13:56,080 --> 04:13:58,399
of strengths because my experience is is

5984
04:13:58,399 --> 04:14:00,080
different. Um I feel with their

5985
04:14:00,080 --> 04:14:02,319
community outreach and engagement. I

5986
04:14:02,319 --> 04:14:03,920
think it's very insular and I think it's

5987
04:14:03,920 --> 04:14:05,760
very targeted to particular groups of

5988
04:14:05,760 --> 04:14:09,520
people. Um, and this exceeding 1 million

5989
04:14:09,520 --> 04:14:12,080
visitors, I would want to call them on

5990
04:14:12,080 --> 04:14:14,960
the dime sort of the way I did my other

5991
04:14:14,960 --> 04:14:16,720
organizations this year and be like,

5992
04:14:16,720 --> 04:14:19,760
well, 1 million visits or 1 million

5993
04:14:19,760 --> 04:14:22,479
visitors because I would believe that a

5994
04:14:22,479 --> 04:14:24,479
tremendous number of that 1 million

5995
04:14:24,479 --> 04:14:27,600
visitors are probably members who repeat

5996
04:14:27,600 --> 04:14:30,720
five, seven, 10, 12 times a year. And I

5997
04:14:30,720 --> 04:14:32,239
think it's a little bit misleading to

5998
04:14:32,239 --> 04:14:33,920
believe that they're serving the entire

5999
04:14:33,920 --> 04:14:36,720
county with this 1 million visitors um

6000
04:14:36,720 --> 04:14:38,479
just based on the limitation of their

6001
04:14:38,479 --> 04:14:40,399
free and discounted programs. I know

6002
04:14:40,399 --> 04:14:44,159
less than 2% of like that their snap EBT

6003
04:14:44,159 --> 04:14:46,399
is very small percentage like the zoo's

6004
04:14:46,399 --> 04:14:49,520
like 15 to 20% snap EBT. These guys are

6005
04:14:49,520 --> 04:14:53,760
less than 2% of last year anyway. Um, so

6006
04:14:53,760 --> 04:14:56,960
I would just want to again have another

6007
04:14:56,960 --> 04:14:59,600
metric or way of in the future

6008
04:14:59,600 --> 04:15:02,720
identifying separating out POPs and IC

6009
04:15:02,720 --> 04:15:05,920
and what does this mean, right? like

6010
04:15:05,920 --> 04:15:08,479
with the zip code information or what

6011
04:15:08,479 --> 04:15:12,239
programs because they do have a very

6012
04:15:12,239 --> 04:15:16,319
limited insular group of people that do

6013
04:15:16,319 --> 04:15:20,000
want to rank the ex customer experience

6014
04:15:20,000 --> 04:15:22,319
to the equivalent of Disneyland, right?

6015
04:15:22,319 --> 04:15:23,920
That's how they compare their numbers is

6016
04:15:23,920 --> 04:15:26,399
specifically to Disneyland. And I don't

6017
04:15:26,399 --> 04:15:27,600
have an issue with that. I'm not saying

6018
04:15:27,600 --> 04:15:29,520
I have an issue. Yes. Yes. And I don't

6019
04:15:29,520 --> 04:15:30,960
have necessarily the issue with them

6020
04:15:30,960 --> 04:15:33,199
being an attraction, but this is

6021
04:15:33,199 --> 04:15:36,399
taxpayer dollars. And so I'm coming in

6022
04:15:36,399 --> 04:15:39,680
as a strong advocate for every single

6023
04:15:39,680 --> 04:15:43,520
person in this county who is paying them

6024
04:15:43,520 --> 04:15:45,120
millions of dollars.

6025
04:15:45,120 --> 04:15:45,520
>> Yeah.

6026
04:15:45,520 --> 04:15:46,880
>> To support the entire county.

6027
04:15:46,880 --> 04:15:49,199
>> I mean they they are one of the most

6028
04:15:49,199 --> 04:15:51,199
fruitful revenue generating

6029
04:15:51,199 --> 04:15:52,560
organizations right

6030
04:15:52,560 --> 04:15:53,840
>> in the state

6031
04:15:53,840 --> 04:15:55,760
>> which should make their application to

6032
04:15:55,760 --> 04:15:58,319
community service even higher. Right.

6033
04:15:58,319 --> 04:16:01,120
>> They're frankly independent financially.

6034
04:16:01,120 --> 04:16:03,680
>> Yeah. So, and the amount of money they

6035
04:16:03,680 --> 04:16:06,399
get, which is significant for tier one,

6036
04:16:06,399 --> 04:16:08,960
is relatively small amount to their

6037
04:16:08,960 --> 04:16:10,479
overall budget. I haven't looked at in a

6038
04:16:10,479 --> 04:16:11,600
couple years.

6039
04:16:11,600 --> 04:16:12,640
>> Um,

6040
04:16:12,640 --> 04:16:14,239
>> is there is there an update about

6041
04:16:14,239 --> 04:16:16,960
zoologicals? There was something you

6042
04:16:16,960 --> 04:16:19,439
have any news on that.

6043
04:16:19,439 --> 04:16:21,120
>> You can't talk about that.

6044
04:16:21,120 --> 04:16:25,279
>> Um, I would say um it's progressing and

6045
04:16:25,279 --> 04:16:26,960
we hope to have it done by the end of

6046
04:16:26,960 --> 04:16:29,920
this year, which make year two.

6047
04:16:29,920 --> 04:16:32,239
>> Pardon me. It will make the I hope we

6048
04:16:32,239 --> 04:16:33,279
hope to have it done this year. That

6049
04:16:33,279 --> 04:16:36,479
would be our hope uh glass half full by

6050
04:16:36,479 --> 04:16:40,720
the end of this year that we'd have the deal kind of done so that we know

6051
04:16:40,720 --> 04:16:44,000
and you know like um maybe more of a

6052
04:16:44,000 --> 04:16:45,199
right now it's going towards more of a

6053
04:16:45,199 --> 04:16:47,439
formulaic like more of a QE worksheet

6054
04:16:47,439 --> 04:16:49,600
versus right now the current percentage

6055
04:16:49,600 --> 04:16:51,760
the legislator's demand has that by I

6056
04:16:51,760 --> 04:16:53,760
think by the end of 30. So, we've got a

6057
04:16:53,760 --> 04:16:54,880
couple more years, but we're trying to

6058
04:16:54,880 --> 04:16:56,399
get it done by the end of this year be

6059
04:16:56,399 --> 04:16:57,840
the hope so that next [clears throat]

6060
04:16:57,840 --> 04:17:00,800
year the board knows kind of more before

6061
04:17:00,800 --> 04:17:03,439
applications open what's going on. But,

6062
04:17:03,439 --> 04:17:04,960
um, I hope to send something to you

6063
04:17:04,960 --> 04:17:06,640
before the end of the year talking about

6064
04:17:06,640 --> 04:17:08,399
council. I will tell you when when it

6065
04:17:08,399 --> 04:17:10,239
goes to council so you can listen.

6066
04:17:10,239 --> 04:17:11,279
>> Can I go ahead?

6067
04:17:11,279 --> 04:17:13,359
>> Can I just add one more thing? The they

6068
04:17:13,359 --> 04:17:16,239
have this new special event center. It

6069
04:17:16,239 --> 04:17:19,840
is freaking huge. 1,800 capacity. That's

6070
04:17:19,840 --> 04:17:21,840
like the only other places that are can

6071
04:17:21,840 --> 04:17:25,199
be that big like for a giant party are

6072
04:17:25,199 --> 04:17:28,239
Grand America and the Provo convention

6073
04:17:28,239 --> 04:17:28,720
center.

6074
04:17:28,720 --> 04:17:32,710
>> They have planned for

6075
04:17:32,720 --> 04:17:34,479
stuff like that.

6076
04:17:34,479 --> 04:17:36,880
>> Yeah, it's huge. Um they have these huge

6077
04:17:36,880 --> 04:17:38,560
projector screens. It's huge. And they

6078
04:17:38,560 --> 04:17:40,080
even have like a

6079
04:17:40,080 --> 04:17:43,520
>> um an aquarium that's got sharks. You

6080
04:17:43,520 --> 04:17:45,520
can

6081
04:17:45,520 --> 04:17:47,199
>> we have a 3D obviously not with the

6082
04:17:47,199 --> 04:17:48,720
projection all the way around in the

6083
04:17:48,720 --> 04:17:50,399
room and it moves.

6084
04:17:50,399 --> 04:17:53,520
>> No, we I'm not trying to shut down the

6085
04:17:53,520 --> 04:17:55,040
discussion, but is it okay to alter a

6086
04:17:55,040 --> 04:17:55,680
score in there?

6087
04:17:55,680 --> 04:17:58,560
>> Y

6088
04:17:58,560 --> 04:18:00,560
so in their new um educational center

6089
04:18:00,560 --> 04:18:03,040
that was part of their where they built

6090
04:18:03,040 --> 04:18:04,560
on because I I went to their I don't

6091
04:18:04,560 --> 04:18:05,920
know if it was an open house or whatever

6092
04:18:05,920 --> 04:18:07,840
it was to kind of check it out. They

6093
04:18:07,840 --> 04:18:08,960
have their staff members there. They

6094
04:18:08,960 --> 04:18:10,640
have classrooms. Uh

6095
04:18:10,640 --> 04:18:13,279
>> um do you know who the they're planning

6096
04:18:13,279 --> 04:18:15,279
on reaching out to or are the the

6097
04:18:15,279 --> 04:18:16,560
classes taught there? Is it for like

6098
04:18:16,560 --> 04:18:19,040
summer camps? Is it for like children?

6099
04:18:19,040 --> 04:18:22,239
Is it for like and you know is that like

6100
04:18:22,239 --> 04:18:24,319
>> what the cost associated is to

6101
04:18:24,319 --> 04:18:26,880
participate in those

6102
04:18:26,880 --> 04:18:30,239
>> have anou with USU and UVU to do get a

6103
04:18:30,239 --> 04:18:31,840
four-year degree and that's where you go

6104
04:18:31,840 --> 04:18:33,359
and do some of your work for like

6105
04:18:33,359 --> 04:18:35,120
students. the le the level at which

6106
04:18:35,120 --> 04:18:37,439
Brent had the classrooms equipped was at

6107
04:18:37,439 --> 04:18:38,720
the university level, not a high school

6108
04:18:38,720 --> 04:18:40,880
or junior high, but a university level.

6109
04:18:40,880 --> 04:18:42,880
Yeah. So, uh they will do incubators

6110
04:18:42,880 --> 04:18:44,239
too. People want to start business or

6111
04:18:44,239 --> 04:18:45,439
people who want to do interns, not just

6112
04:18:45,439 --> 04:18:48,159
with things related to um zoological

6113
04:18:48,159 --> 04:18:50,640
work. Um and then some of the space one

6114
04:18:50,640 --> 04:18:52,159
of the spaces is supposed to go free to

6115
04:18:52,159 --> 04:18:53,359
the nonprofits. You're supposed to be

6116
04:18:53,359 --> 04:18:55,199
able to kind of book a space in that

6117
04:18:55,199 --> 04:18:58,399
space. So, you want anyone else?

6118
04:18:58,399 --> 04:19:02,000
>> Can I just say they um have 6,000

6119
04:19:02,000 --> 04:19:03,920
uh students attending the summer camps

6120
04:19:03,920 --> 04:19:07,920
this summer? Um last year they had 470

6121
04:19:07,920 --> 04:19:09,760
scholarships to the summer camps and

6122
04:19:09,760 --> 04:19:12,800
this year they have 13 they gave 1300

6123
04:19:12,800 --> 04:19:15,040
scholarships. [gasps]

6124
04:19:15,040 --> 04:19:16,720
>> Okay. So, make any adjustments that you

6125
04:19:16,720 --> 04:19:19,279
have to the aquarium up or down and I

6126
04:19:19,279 --> 04:19:20,640
think we captured your comments and

6127
04:19:20,640 --> 04:19:22,880
concerns particularly on bullet three

6128
04:19:22,880 --> 04:19:24,560
under strength.

6129
04:19:24,560 --> 04:19:27,120
>> Yeah. And next on deck, you'll make

6130
04:19:27,120 --> 04:19:28,720
those adjustments will go in in a couple

6131
04:19:28,720 --> 04:19:29,680
minutes. I'll give you a couple minutes

6132
04:19:29,680 --> 04:19:32,560
before he goes in. It would be Lynette

6133
04:19:32,560 --> 04:19:34,159
on Tracy. And if you need a second,

6134
04:19:34,159 --> 04:19:36,640
that's fine. Um, but you're on deck next

6135
04:19:36,640 --> 04:19:38,000
for Tracy. And we'll finish the

6136
04:19:38,000 --> 04:19:40,080
zoologicals. If you don't mind me

6137
04:19:40,080 --> 04:19:42,239
pushing you before we take a break to do

6138
04:19:42,239 --> 04:19:43,520
natural history,

6139
04:19:43,520 --> 04:19:44,560
>> that would be great. And then we can

6140
04:19:44,560 --> 04:19:45,680
talk if we

6141
04:19:45,680 --> 04:19:47,760
>> How are we doing on time?

6142
04:19:47,760 --> 04:19:50,479
>> Um,

6143
04:19:50,479 --> 04:19:51,840
>> uh, we're not we're not doing we're not

6144
04:19:51,840 --> 04:19:53,600
doing bad. We're catching up. How's that

6145
04:19:53,600 --> 04:19:56,479
sound? We're catching up. We're We're better than we were. How's that?

6146
04:19:56,479 --> 04:19:58,720
>> Did everybody get their scores adjusted?

6147
04:19:58,720 --> 04:19:59,120
>> Okay.

6148
04:19:59,120 --> 04:20:00,399
>> I'm still doing mine.

6149
04:20:00,399 --> 04:20:03,359
>> Okay. Just a moment to

6150
04:20:03,359 --> 04:20:05,920
>> Are you able to access it?

6151
04:20:05,920 --> 04:20:07,359
>> Okay.

6152
04:20:07,359 --> 04:20:08,319
>> Just slow.

6153
04:20:08,319 --> 04:20:09,600
>> Yeah. [laughter]

6154
04:20:09,600 --> 04:20:11,680
You have to refresh once or twice.

6155
04:20:11,680 --> 04:20:13,680
>> Yes. Refreshing is good. Do the same

6156
04:20:13,680 --> 04:20:20,149
thing, too.

6157
04:20:20,159 --> 04:20:21,520
» Are you ready for me?

6158
04:20:21,520 --> 04:20:22,880
>> Oh, I thought we were still waiting for

6159
04:20:22,880 --> 04:20:25,040
scores. Okay. Sorry about that. Um,

6160
04:20:25,040 --> 04:20:27,600
Tracy Aviary, I was excited because I

6161
04:20:27,600 --> 04:20:29,199
really had been wanting to see them

6162
04:20:29,199 --> 04:20:31,359
after doing the two other zoologicals in

6163
04:20:31,359 --> 04:20:35,040
the past. Um, Tracy Aviary really is

6164
04:20:35,040 --> 04:20:36,560
probably out of all the reviews I've

6165
04:20:36,560 --> 04:20:38,640
done, the most committed to wanting to

6166
04:20:38,640 --> 04:20:41,439
remove financial barriers um for in

6167
04:20:41,439 --> 04:20:44,319
order to provide access and wanting to

6168
04:20:44,319 --> 04:20:47,199
create safe space for other community

6169
04:20:47,199 --> 04:20:49,760
organizations to partner and come in.

6170
04:20:49,760 --> 04:20:52,640
and they do strong programming like

6171
04:20:52,640 --> 04:20:54,960
volunteer programming with banding birds

6172
04:20:54,960 --> 04:20:58,319
out in you know the wild and community

6173
04:20:58,319 --> 04:21:00,800
observations and so they do have a

6174
04:21:00,800 --> 04:21:03,439
strong scientific research arm that goes

6175
04:21:03,439 --> 04:21:05,439
into the aviary that I wasn't as aware

6176
04:21:05,439 --> 04:21:09,279
of prior to my visit um great about with

6177
04:21:09,279 --> 04:21:12,560
their financial practices really strong

6178
04:21:12,560 --> 04:21:15,279
organizational stability

6179
04:21:15,279 --> 04:21:18,399
um but with that interestingly enough I

6180
04:21:18,399 --> 04:21:20,720
was very surprised surprised where some

6181
04:21:20,720 --> 04:21:24,159
of the limitations had started right

6182
04:21:24,159 --> 04:21:26,560
showing their their head because I ask a

6183
04:21:26,560 --> 04:21:28,880
lot of our organizations. So one thing

6184
04:21:28,880 --> 04:21:30,720
for example I was always so thrilled

6185
04:21:30,720 --> 04:21:33,199
about the nature center. Um the nature

6186
04:21:33,199 --> 04:21:35,600
center has not been performing the last

6187
04:21:35,600 --> 04:21:38,000
couple of years since it opened the way

6188
04:21:38,000 --> 04:21:40,720
that they would like it to. Um, and

6189
04:21:40,720 --> 04:21:42,159
they're even getting to the point where

6190
04:21:42,159 --> 04:21:44,239
they're questioning its viability

6191
04:21:44,239 --> 04:21:46,800
because it really is going to rely on

6192
04:21:46,800 --> 04:21:49,600
partnerships of other maybe tier 2

6193
04:21:49,600 --> 04:21:51,760
organizations, local community partners,

6194
04:21:51,760 --> 04:21:53,760
more grassroots spaces.

6195
04:21:53,760 --> 04:21:55,439
>> Can you comment on what they expected

6196
04:21:55,439 --> 04:21:57,600
and what where they're falling short?

6197
04:21:57,600 --> 04:21:59,600
>> Um,

6198
04:21:59,600 --> 04:22:01,760
I really can't say specifically what

6199
04:22:01,760 --> 04:22:04,000
their goals would be. I think where they

6200
04:22:04,000 --> 04:22:05,840
perceive they're falling short is they

6201
04:22:05,840 --> 04:22:08,159
feel that trusting relationships of

6202
04:22:08,159 --> 04:22:10,720
course do take a very long time to build

6203
04:22:10,720 --> 04:22:13,199
and people on the west side of Salt Lake

6204
04:22:13,199 --> 04:22:14,800
County of course are a little bit more

6205
04:22:14,800 --> 04:22:17,359
reticent um in building those trusting

6206
04:22:17,359 --> 04:22:19,199
relationships because they either

6207
04:22:19,199 --> 04:22:21,359
haven't had experience and that kind of

6208
04:22:21,359 --> 04:22:24,000
outreach and partnering before or maybe

6209
04:22:24,000 --> 04:22:25,760
they've been burned right like with

6210
04:22:25,760 --> 04:22:27,439
organizations that will come in for six

6211
04:22:27,439 --> 04:22:29,359
months a year two years and then all of

6212
04:22:29,359 --> 04:22:31,680
a sudden they're just gone which is

6213
04:22:31,680 --> 04:22:33,520
almost like what we could potentially

6214
04:22:33,520 --> 04:22:36,319
experience with the nature center. So, I

6215
04:22:36,319 --> 04:22:38,880
think that they do an amazing job of

6216
04:22:38,880 --> 04:22:41,199
showing up um when communities need

6217
04:22:41,199 --> 04:22:43,040
them. Like when the West Valley City

6218
04:22:43,040 --> 04:22:44,800
swap meet, I don't know if you all are

6219
04:22:44,800 --> 04:22:46,479
familiar with this, but when the West

6220
04:22:46,479 --> 04:22:48,640
Valley swap meet was being taken for

6221
04:22:48,640 --> 04:22:51,680
imminent domain um and all those vendors

6222
04:22:51,680 --> 04:22:53,520
who were at the swap meet were going to

6223
04:22:53,520 --> 04:22:55,600
be without an income and an opportunity

6224
04:22:55,600 --> 04:22:58,640
to sell their wares, the aviary stepped

6225
04:22:58,640 --> 04:23:00,441
in and said, "Come use our space."

6226
04:23:00,441 --> 04:23:01,040
>> [laughter]

6227
04:23:01,040 --> 04:23:03,120
>> Um, and so for a year that was a really

6228
04:23:03,120 --> 04:23:05,199
strong partnership. So they they show

6229
04:23:05,199 --> 04:23:06,720
up, they put their money where their

6230
04:23:06,720 --> 04:23:10,720
mouth is, but where I feel that they're

6231
04:23:10,720 --> 04:23:14,640
lacking is the real vision turned into

6232
04:23:14,640 --> 04:23:18,399
strategic plan with accountability.

6233
04:23:18,399 --> 04:23:21,120
Um, I think that there's a lot of hope.

6234
04:23:21,120 --> 04:23:24,000
There's a lot of interest, but there

6235
04:23:24,000 --> 04:23:26,479
isn't the the strategic plan,

6236
04:23:26,479 --> 04:23:29,439
accountability, metrics, measurement

6237
04:23:29,439 --> 04:23:31,840
that allows them to be like, okay,

6238
04:23:31,840 --> 04:23:33,760
checklist one, that works. Checklist

6239
04:23:33,760 --> 04:23:38,640
two, that worked. Um, so I am concerned

6240
04:23:38,640 --> 04:23:41,520
for being able to translate the message

6241
04:23:41,520 --> 04:23:44,560
that they've built on so well for what

6242
04:23:44,560 --> 04:23:47,199
would that be 80 years at the aviary

6243
04:23:47,199 --> 04:23:49,439
into the nature center because one thing

6244
04:23:49,439 --> 04:23:51,120
for example, no district 3

6245
04:23:51,120 --> 04:23:54,159
representation on their board. District

6246
04:23:54,159 --> 04:23:59,600
3 is adjacent to and home of so many of

6247
04:23:59,600 --> 04:24:02,479
those partnerships that they would need.

6248
04:24:02,479 --> 04:24:04,560
But overall,

6249
04:24:04,560 --> 04:24:06,720
um, they have a they have three new

6250
04:24:06,720 --> 04:24:10,159
board members, so energizing, so

6251
04:24:10,159 --> 04:24:12,560
connected. Community outreach is in

6252
04:24:12,560 --> 04:24:15,520
three of their professional jobs. Um,

6253
04:24:15,520 --> 04:24:17,359
and so I'm hoping that we'll see a

6254
04:24:17,359 --> 04:24:20,319
reinvigoration of some energy and some

6255
04:24:20,319 --> 04:24:22,479
accountability.

6256
04:24:22,479 --> 04:24:24,479
The education program has been lacking a

6257
04:24:24,479 --> 04:24:26,319
bit because they tied it to their

6258
04:24:26,319 --> 04:24:28,319
conservation department and I think they

6259
04:24:28,319 --> 04:24:30,239
need to break education out again and

6260
04:24:30,239 --> 04:24:32,399
focus specifically on that. So I'm sorry

6261
04:24:32,399 --> 04:24:33,359
I took more than

6262
04:24:33,359 --> 04:24:36,080
>> is nature different

6263
04:24:36,080 --> 04:24:37,760
>> experience than the aviary.

6264
04:24:37,760 --> 04:24:39,600
>> Totally. Yeah. The birds,

6265
04:24:39,600 --> 04:24:42,479
>> right? It is only open a few hours on

6266
04:24:42,479 --> 04:24:45,040
the weekends. Now, it's they still have

6267
04:24:45,040 --> 04:24:47,600
some partnerships that maybe host their

6268
04:24:47,600 --> 04:24:49,439
meeting. Like there's a Pacific Islander

6269
04:24:49,439 --> 04:24:50,960
organization that I think meets there

6270
04:24:50,960 --> 04:24:53,840
once a month. I think there's an LGBTQ

6271
04:24:53,840 --> 04:24:55,920
plus community organization that meets

6272
04:24:55,920 --> 04:24:59,840
there once a month. Um, but they don't

6273
04:24:59,840 --> 04:25:04,239
they have not been able to utilize

6274
04:25:04,239 --> 04:25:05,680
they're worried about the overhead of

6275
04:25:05,680 --> 04:25:08,640
course of that location in comparison to

6276
04:25:08,640 --> 04:25:10,800
the amount of it being used, but what I

6277
04:25:10,800 --> 04:25:12,640
know about the need in the community for

6278
04:25:12,640 --> 04:25:15,520
a resource like that, we should be

6279
04:25:15,520 --> 04:25:17,279
seeing that place bustling.

6280
04:25:17,279 --> 04:25:19,040
>> So, it's basically it's not working.

6281
04:25:19,040 --> 04:25:20,800
They just said it's not working

6282
04:25:20,800 --> 04:25:24,159
>> at this time. It's not as successful as

6283
04:25:24,159 --> 04:25:29,189
its potential for sure.

6284
04:25:29,199 --> 04:25:31,040
something that worked for me. I attended

6285
04:25:31,040 --> 04:25:34,239
the Bruce and Birds thing, self adult

6286
04:25:34,239 --> 04:25:36,319
education with my husband. I can't

6287
04:25:36,319 --> 04:25:38,880
believe how much we learned.

6288
04:25:38,880 --> 04:25:42,159
>> We I mean I'm not really into that

6289
04:25:42,159 --> 04:25:44,080
structured activities, but like I was

6290
04:25:44,080 --> 04:25:44,319
like,

6291
04:25:44,319 --> 04:25:44,720
>> "Yeah,

6292
04:25:44,720 --> 04:25:46,319
>> I'm going to get my passport filled

6293
04:25:46,319 --> 04:25:47,469
out." I've been every one of these.

6294
04:25:47,469 --> 04:25:49,359
[laughter]

6295
04:25:49,359 --> 04:25:51,199
>> Super educational.

6296
04:25:51,199 --> 04:25:52,960
>> Yeah, they everything they do

6297
04:25:52,960 --> 04:25:54,960
>> that was at the nature center. No, that

6298
04:25:54,960 --> 04:25:56,479
was at the the aviary.

6299
04:25:56,479 --> 04:25:58,479
>> Yeah. Everything they do at the aviary,

6300
04:25:58,479 --> 04:26:01,040
I think, is just it's such a well-run

6301
04:26:01,040 --> 04:26:03,520
machine. Um, their summer camps were

6302
04:26:03,520 --> 04:26:05,040
good, their community outreach is good,

6303
04:26:05,040 --> 04:26:06,720
the everything they do in classrooms is

6304
04:26:06,720 --> 04:26:06,960
good.

6305
04:26:06,960 --> 04:26:08,399
>> It seems because I reviewed them three

6306
04:26:08,399 --> 04:26:09,840
years ago when they were opening it.

6307
04:26:09,840 --> 04:26:11,600
Yeah. And it seems such a logical

6308
04:26:11,600 --> 04:26:13,760
extension of the aviary to be the nature

6309
04:26:13,760 --> 04:26:15,840
center and that the hear that they're

6310
04:26:15,840 --> 04:26:16,640
struggling.

6311
04:26:16,640 --> 04:26:17,279
>> Yeah.

6312
04:26:17,279 --> 04:26:18,640
>> It surprises me.

6313
04:26:18,640 --> 04:26:21,600
>> Yeah. And so I scored them as an 11. I

6314
04:26:21,600 --> 04:26:23,199
don't know, you know, where everybody

6315
04:26:23,199 --> 04:26:24,800
else is, but I did that because they

6316
04:26:24,800 --> 04:26:26,720
have a tremendous number of strengths,

6317
04:26:26,720 --> 04:26:31,760
but they they do need to um again, they

6318
04:26:31,760 --> 04:26:33,680
need to have a visionary leadership, a

6319
04:26:33,680 --> 04:26:35,359
supportive board, which I think they're

6320
04:26:35,359 --> 04:26:36,880
getting to, and then they need the

6321
04:26:36,880 --> 04:26:39,120
actual strategic plan, which at their

6322
04:26:39,120 --> 04:26:41,120
last board meeting, I feel like it was

6323
04:26:41,120 --> 04:26:42,800
being presented there with the energy of

6324
04:26:42,800 --> 04:26:45,120
the new board members. I hope we see

6325
04:26:45,120 --> 04:26:46,800
some things. And then plus people like

6326
04:26:46,800 --> 04:26:48,560
me telling every tier two, well, if you

6327
04:26:48,560 --> 04:26:49,840
need some help, why don't you go to the

6328
04:26:49,840 --> 04:26:51,520
Trace Eat area? [laughter]

6329
04:26:51,520 --> 04:26:52,960
>> I think of the tier ones because the

6330
04:26:52,960 --> 04:26:54,880
tier a lot of the tier ones are downtown

6331
04:26:54,880 --> 04:26:57,520
or on the eat side of the U.

6332
04:26:57,520 --> 04:26:59,760
>> Having that location that you can pop a

6333
04:26:59,760 --> 04:27:02,800
squad at and do mobile programming,

6334
04:27:02,800 --> 04:27:04,080
>> whether it's outdoor or one of the

6335
04:27:04,080 --> 04:27:06,000
classroom spaces seems interesting.

6336
04:27:06,000 --> 04:27:06,960
>> Yeah, tremendous.

6337
04:27:06,960 --> 04:27:08,159
>> That would be a way to

6338
04:27:08,159 --> 04:27:10,479
>> potential frame the two mission state.

6339
04:27:10,479 --> 04:27:11,760
It almost seems like they have two

6340
04:27:11,760 --> 04:27:13,359
missions.

6341
04:27:13,359 --> 04:27:16,000
uh I put two campus locations and varied

6342
04:27:16,000 --> 04:27:17,840
goals for each alignment with mission

6343
04:27:17,840 --> 04:27:20,319
was more nuanced and strategically

6344
04:27:20,319 --> 04:27:22,720
considered to ensure congruence as one

6345
04:27:22,720 --> 04:27:24,880
organization needs to be strategically

6346
04:27:24,880 --> 04:27:26,374
considered. So if you did a

6347
04:27:26,374 --> 04:27:28,000
[clears throat] mobile unit maybe

6348
04:27:28,000 --> 04:27:30,319
>> I think people nature center more

6349
04:27:30,319 --> 04:27:32,319
>> yeah the point to that was

6350
04:27:32,319 --> 04:27:33,840
>> that's a lot of cobbley book what you

6351
04:27:33,840 --> 04:27:35,760
just read I think but but but the

6352
04:27:35,760 --> 04:27:37,760
positioning was [laughter]

6353
04:27:37,760 --> 04:27:39,840
>> no it's not your words it's their words

6354
04:27:39,840 --> 04:27:42,800
it's good application content but I

6355
04:27:42,800 --> 04:27:44,080
wrote that. He wrote that.

6356
04:27:44,080 --> 04:27:47,359
>> Oh, I'm sorry. [laughter]

6357
04:27:47,359 --> 04:27:48,080
>> It's Michael.

6358
04:27:48,080 --> 04:27:49,600
>> Forgive me.

6359
04:27:49,600 --> 04:27:51,760
>> I was too I'm from the east. I was a

6360
04:27:51,760 --> 04:27:54,479
little too direct. I'm sorry.

6361
04:27:54,479 --> 04:27:57,680
>> Oh gosh. [laughter]

6362
04:27:57,680 --> 04:27:59,199
>> It's good. I'm getting off the board

6363
04:27:59,199 --> 04:28:02,469
because I'm

6364
04:28:02,479 --> 04:28:05,020
» But their position years ago when

6365
04:28:05,020 --> 04:28:06,880
[laughter] I met with the Tim and the

6366
04:28:06,880 --> 04:28:09,680
board, it was about the the continuity

6367
04:28:09,680 --> 04:28:12,159
was environmental stewardship.

6368
04:28:12,159 --> 04:28:13,840
the nature center then kind of fit

6369
04:28:13,840 --> 04:28:15,600
neatly in that. But it seems like

6370
04:28:15,600 --> 04:28:17,359
operationally in practice there's a

6371
04:28:17,359 --> 04:28:18,000
disconnect.

6372
04:28:18,000 --> 04:28:19,600
>> Oh yeah, that's I could have just

6373
04:28:19,600 --> 04:28:20,479
written that.

6374
04:28:20,479 --> 04:28:21,920
>> Sorry. [laughter]

6375
04:28:21,920 --> 04:28:22,319
>> It was

6376
04:28:22,319 --> 04:28:23,760
>> you can use my words if you want.

6377
04:28:23,760 --> 04:28:26,080
>> I think the concept of we if we build it

6378
04:28:26,080 --> 04:28:27,279
they will come.

6379
04:28:27,279 --> 04:28:27,680
>> Yeah.

6380
04:28:27,680 --> 04:28:29,680
>> Right. They don't realize that there's a

6381
04:28:29,680 --> 04:28:32,880
lot of if you build it they will come.

6382
04:28:32,880 --> 04:28:33,760
There's a big dis.

6383
04:28:33,760 --> 04:28:35,279
>> I think they believe that being on the

6384
04:28:35,279 --> 04:28:37,279
west more on the west side was going to

6385
04:28:37,279 --> 04:28:38,399
naturally incorporate.

6386
04:28:38,399 --> 04:28:39,920
>> You need Robert Redford for that. I'm

6387
04:28:39,920 --> 04:28:42,159
sorry. [laughter]

6388
04:28:42,159 --> 04:28:49,349
That's a shame. That's

6389
04:28:49,359 --> 04:28:51,760
» Kevin. Maybe Kevin.

6390
04:28:51,760 --> 04:28:55,199
>> Any scores that are going to be changed?

6391
04:28:55,199 --> 04:28:58,239
>> Please make your changes.

6392
04:28:58,239 --> 04:29:02,159
>> We're going to go to natural history.

6393
04:29:02,159 --> 04:29:04,720
>> After change coursees

6394
04:29:04,720 --> 04:29:07,750
scores.

6395
04:29:07,760 --> 04:29:10,239
One second. Can I switch? Do you have

6396
04:29:10,239 --> 04:29:12,080
this up by any chance?

6397
04:29:12,080 --> 04:29:14,000
>> Would you mind for me to do something

6398
04:29:14,000 --> 04:29:14,880
real quick?

6399
04:29:14,880 --> 04:29:15,359
>> Yep,

6400
04:29:15,359 --> 04:29:17,439
>> that' be awesome. Um, is everybody

6401
04:29:17,439 --> 04:29:19,279
changed and ready for Rita to start?

6402
04:29:19,279 --> 04:29:21,359
>> Yeah. Great idea.

6403
04:29:21,359 --> 04:29:22,720
>> Okay. Oh, go ahead.

6404
04:29:22,720 --> 04:29:24,800
>> Should I

6405
04:29:24,800 --> 04:29:25,680
pause?

6406
04:29:25,680 --> 04:29:30,070
>> Oh, yes. Sorry. Sorry.

6407
04:29:30,080 --> 04:29:31,600
» It's flashing and I can't remember.

6408
04:29:31,600 --> 04:29:35,750
Thank you for being so so

6409
04:29:35,760 --> 04:29:37,439
» There you go.

6410
04:29:37,439 --> 04:29:39,600
And I didn't even know that's how I've

6411
04:29:39,600 --> 04:29:41,520
been staying at conflict of interest. I

6412
04:29:41,520 --> 04:29:45,199
didn't even know with Heidi. Um I spent

6413
04:29:45,199 --> 04:29:48,720
time first of all with uh the Natural

6414
04:29:48,720 --> 04:29:50,640
History Museum's board. I went to a

6415
04:29:50,640 --> 04:29:52,800
board meeting and then I was able to go

6416
04:29:52,800 --> 04:29:55,199
with Jason and talk about a lot of

6417
04:29:55,199 --> 04:29:59,439
things. I had not been very long on

6418
04:29:59,439 --> 04:30:02,319
this. I went like the week after I was

6419
04:30:02,319 --> 04:30:04,080
asked. So I didn't know a lot of things

6420
04:30:04,080 --> 04:30:06,479
to talk about but since have done some

6421
04:30:06,479 --> 04:30:09,520
followup with them. Uh the thing with

6422
04:30:09,520 --> 04:30:12,319
the natural history museum is because

6423
04:30:12,319 --> 04:30:14,399
it's accounting to the University of

6424
04:30:14,399 --> 04:30:16,800
Utah some of the considerations here

6425
04:30:16,800 --> 04:30:19,600
about location and board members because

6426
04:30:19,600 --> 04:30:21,920
so many of the board members are

6427
04:30:21,920 --> 04:30:24,640
involved academically. They work with

6428
04:30:24,640 --> 04:30:28,000
the um assistant the vice president

6429
04:30:28,000 --> 04:30:29,680
actually with the vice president. There

6430
04:30:29,680 --> 04:30:32,239
are a lot of again university

6431
04:30:32,239 --> 04:30:34,080
accountabilities that they have to have

6432
04:30:34,080 --> 04:30:36,479
as who is serving there and they do have

6433
04:30:36,479 --> 04:30:38,640
an advisory board that is a little more

6434
04:30:38,640 --> 04:30:43,120
diverse. Um they also there are so many

6435
04:30:43,120 --> 04:30:46,239
levels of national international

6436
04:30:46,239 --> 04:30:48,479
recognition that I think they're trying

6437
04:30:48,479 --> 04:30:53,199
to balance how to serve both on IC for

6438
04:30:53,199 --> 04:30:56,159
the IC purposes um which is comparable

6439
04:30:56,159 --> 04:30:59,359
to POPS but for the science museums and

6440
04:30:59,359 --> 04:31:02,800
then trying to address both arts and

6441
04:31:02,800 --> 04:31:04,880
museums requirements through the state

6442
04:31:04,880 --> 04:31:06,560
and through us that seem to be one of

6443
04:31:06,560 --> 04:31:08,800
the things they're trying to build in

6444
04:31:08,800 --> 04:31:10,239
and each time they get a new board

6445
04:31:10,239 --> 04:31:12,560
member, they're looking at including

6446
04:31:12,560 --> 04:31:15,680
that kind of diversity on the board. But

6447
04:31:15,680 --> 04:31:18,000
what's so exciting about what they are

6448
04:31:18,000 --> 04:31:20,800
doing is the focus on not only

6449
04:31:20,800 --> 04:31:24,319
accessibility, but on diversity with the

6450
04:31:24,319 --> 04:31:26,159
kinds of programs they're doing. We

6451
04:31:26,159 --> 04:31:28,319
think for a long time, oh, it's bugs and

6452
04:31:28,319 --> 04:31:30,399
things, which their bug world right now

6453
04:31:30,399 --> 04:31:33,040
is just, if you can catch it, I think

6454
04:31:33,040 --> 04:31:35,359
it's just open a little bit. It's

6455
04:31:35,359 --> 04:31:38,720
marvelous. And I took different age

6456
04:31:38,720 --> 04:31:41,279
groups from my family and everyone there

6457
04:31:41,279 --> 04:31:43,760
was enough for the adults to really get

6458
04:31:43,760 --> 04:31:45,920
into the deep science of it. And of

6459
04:31:45,920 --> 04:31:48,239
course going through with Jason, he's

6460
04:31:48,239 --> 04:31:50,560
just a master at talking about that and

6461
04:31:50,560 --> 04:31:53,600
making very sophisticated concepts very

6462
04:31:53,600 --> 04:31:55,359
personal. And that's showing up in their

6463
04:31:55,359 --> 04:31:57,600
educational programming. They've made

6464
04:31:57,600 --> 04:31:59,680
sure that they are not just a bunch of

6465
04:31:59,680 --> 04:32:02,159
scientists and experts, but they want to

6466
04:32:02,159 --> 04:32:04,080
convey that. And part of their mission,

6467
04:32:04,080 --> 04:32:06,479
they repeated several times, is to bring

6468
04:32:06,479 --> 04:32:09,040
new generations. This kind of got to me,

6469
04:32:09,040 --> 04:32:12,560
but their major mission of bringing new

6470
04:32:12,560 --> 04:32:15,279
generations of scientists, people

6471
04:32:15,279 --> 04:32:18,479
interested in the natural world was uh

6472
04:32:18,479 --> 04:32:20,159
one of the things that was outstanding

6473
04:32:20,159 --> 04:32:21,760
talking to him, talking to board

6474
04:32:21,760 --> 04:32:24,800
members, talking to um I actually had a

6475
04:32:24,800 --> 04:32:28,399
tour scheduled with Axel, who is new in

6476
04:32:28,399 --> 04:32:30,479
his position, came there from

6477
04:32:30,479 --> 04:32:33,840
Thanksgiving Point. And so that across

6478
04:32:33,840 --> 04:32:36,560
the the institution, the organizational

6479
04:32:36,560 --> 04:32:38,720
mission of that they're outreach into

6480
04:32:38,720 --> 04:32:40,960
the community, this idea that's growing

6481
04:32:40,960 --> 04:32:43,760
on the citizen science thing. And I

6482
04:32:43,760 --> 04:32:46,000
don't think

6483
04:32:46,000 --> 04:32:49,199
um Okay, I'm up.

6484
04:32:49,199 --> 04:32:51,920
>> Okay. I just I just want to say from the

6485
04:32:51,920 --> 04:32:55,359
citizen science perspective, I wasn't

6486
04:32:55,359 --> 04:32:57,920
sure how to talk to them because they

6487
04:32:57,920 --> 04:33:00,640
are getting and recruiting people in the

6488
04:33:00,640 --> 04:33:03,199
communities to carry their programs to

6489
04:33:03,199 --> 04:33:05,119
the community. So that's a question I

6490
04:33:05,119 --> 04:33:07,199
have about how they're going to report

6491
04:33:07,199 --> 04:33:09,439
that is the fact that they've got

6492
04:33:09,439 --> 04:33:11,439
someone in the community taking on these

6493
04:33:11,439 --> 04:33:15,119
citizen science roles and helping local

6494
04:33:15,119 --> 04:33:15,760
people.

6495
04:33:15,760 --> 04:33:17,600
>> Does that mean they bringing activity to

6496
04:33:17,600 --> 04:33:19,520
their community? they have different

6497
04:33:19,520 --> 04:33:21,199
people located in the different

6498
04:33:21,199 --> 04:33:23,600
communities and then they've got kids

6499
04:33:23,600 --> 04:33:26,959
ready. They encourage them to do local

6500
04:33:26,959 --> 04:33:29,119
things. And so I think that's a a

6501
04:33:29,119 --> 04:33:34,080
fascinating program there. Um uh the

6502
04:33:34,080 --> 04:33:35,520
question that you had and I'll just

6503
04:33:35,520 --> 04:33:39,600
address this and fi about the the um

6504
04:33:39,600 --> 04:33:41,439
finance and why they showed that great

6505
04:33:41,439 --> 04:33:45,520
big input. There was that $45 million

6506
04:33:45,520 --> 04:33:47,760
that they got. So they had to show it in

6507
04:33:47,760 --> 04:33:50,000
their accounting for the year they

6508
04:33:50,000 --> 04:33:52,959
received it, but it is to be sustained

6509
04:33:52,959 --> 04:33:55,680
and only portions of it used over the

6510
04:33:55,680 --> 04:33:57,840
coming years is why it showed that big

6511
04:33:57,840 --> 04:33:58,959
balloon there.

6512
04:33:58,959 --> 04:34:02,561
>> Okay, that was good to know.

6513
04:34:02,561 --> 04:34:04,160
>> It's really cool to see later. We were

6514
04:34:04,160 --> 04:34:06,000
so excited about an organization.

6515
04:34:06,000 --> 04:34:07,760
>> Did you get to go behind the scenes like

6516
04:34:07,760 --> 04:34:08,719
in the prep room?

6517
04:34:08,719 --> 04:34:10,799
>> Oh yeah, I Yes.

6518
04:34:10,799 --> 04:34:11,680
>> Isn't that amazing?

6519
04:34:11,680 --> 04:34:14,240
>> Yeah. Incredible. rocks and butterflies.

6520
04:34:14,240 --> 04:34:16,799
And that's something would be a fun

6521
04:34:16,799 --> 04:34:20,320
board thing because it it will hit

6522
04:34:20,320 --> 04:34:23,520
everybody back there, but how focused

6523
04:34:23,520 --> 04:34:26,799
every person on the team is on their

6524
04:34:26,799 --> 04:34:30,080
little part of it.

6525
04:34:30,080 --> 04:34:32,240
>> Well, we had our behind the scenes and

6526
04:34:32,240 --> 04:34:34,561
Peter missed it and it was so awesome.

6527
04:34:34,561 --> 04:34:36,400
>> Oh, I know. Yes, I'm sorry I did.

6528
04:34:36,400 --> 04:34:38,400
>> But and depending on the time of year,

6529
04:34:38,400 --> 04:34:39,520
it might depend if we could have a

6530
04:34:39,520 --> 04:34:41,760
quorum or not. But of course, Dr. kind's

6531
04:34:41,760 --> 04:34:43,920
always happy to do another one.

6532
04:34:43,920 --> 04:34:45,840
>> You could do it like mix it up with the

6533
04:34:45,840 --> 04:34:47,520
tier twos. Yeah. And split it or

6534
04:34:47,520 --> 04:34:48,879
something like that where you get like a

6535
04:34:48,879 --> 04:34:50,561
summer two different times in the summer

6536
04:34:50,561 --> 04:34:52,719
and whoever can make whichever one of

6537
04:34:52,719 --> 04:34:53,199
them.

6538
04:34:53,199 --> 04:34:53,760
>> Awesome.

6539
04:34:53,760 --> 04:34:55,199
>> Maybe staff not being there is probably

6540
04:34:55,199 --> 04:34:57,359
part of it. Be part of it.

6541
04:34:57,359 --> 04:35:00,320
>> My my like my contribution to this

6542
04:35:00,320 --> 04:35:01,920
conversation about the natural history

6543
04:35:01,920 --> 04:35:03,279
museum. They were my very first

6544
04:35:03,279 --> 04:35:05,039
organization too. I feel like we we get

6545
04:35:05,039 --> 04:35:08,000
so lucky when miss you or the NHMU are

6546
04:35:08,000 --> 04:35:10,400
our first organizations. But when you

6547
04:35:10,400 --> 04:35:11,760
look at all the other tier one

6548
04:35:11,760 --> 04:35:15,439
applications, most of them note NHMU as

6549
04:35:15,439 --> 04:35:17,840
a partner. And I think that that's

6550
04:35:17,840 --> 04:35:20,320
extraordinary. I feel that they know the

6551
04:35:20,320 --> 04:35:23,600
magic sauce of saying partnerships are

6552
04:35:23,600 --> 04:35:26,000
key to us infiltrating the community.

6553
04:35:26,000 --> 04:35:28,959
And it's demonstrable. Um, and it has

6554
04:35:28,959 --> 04:35:31,119
definitely advanced in the two years

6555
04:35:31,119 --> 04:35:32,000
that I It

6556
04:35:32,000 --> 04:35:33,760
>> reminds me of a we film. I don't know if

6557
04:35:33,760 --> 04:35:34,719
they mention this enough in their

6558
04:35:34,719 --> 04:35:35,840
application or get themselves in the

6559
04:35:35,840 --> 04:35:37,600
credit, but they do a lot of free stuff

6560
04:35:37,600 --> 04:35:39,199
for tier twos and tier ones. I don't

6561
04:35:39,199 --> 04:35:40,400
know that they pat themselves on the

6562
04:35:40,400 --> 04:35:42,080
back and realize how important that work

6563
04:35:42,080 --> 04:35:43,920
is that they do for people to send their

6564
04:35:43,920 --> 04:35:46,320
messages out to the community. But when

6565
04:35:46,320 --> 04:35:48,400
we send them when we send them reviews,

6566
04:35:48,400 --> 04:35:50,240
can we highlight those compliments to

6567
04:35:50,240 --> 04:35:51,039
them too?

6568
04:35:51,039 --> 04:35:53,439
>> And I just want to highlight too what

6569
04:35:53,439 --> 04:35:56,160
they have managed to do with busing is

6570
04:35:56,160 --> 04:35:59,119
again making that that's huge because so

6571
04:35:59,119 --> 04:36:01,760
many of the museums have no way to get

6572
04:36:01,760 --> 04:36:04,879
the kids from there to here and so that

6573
04:36:04,879 --> 04:36:07,279
they work very conscientiously on

6574
04:36:07,279 --> 04:36:09,840
getting that busing which I think is a

6575
04:36:09,840 --> 04:36:12,320
great thing to talk to all of our our

6576
04:36:12,320 --> 04:36:13,600
organizations about.

6577
04:36:13,600 --> 04:36:15,760
>> Yes. And I' I'd like to add I did get to

6578
04:36:15,760 --> 04:36:18,799
go on that tour, but um I feel like they

6579
04:36:18,799 --> 04:36:21,600
really do a good um outreach with the

6580
04:36:21,600 --> 04:36:23,359
younger population. They've got their

6581
04:36:23,359 --> 04:36:25,039
program that they have with the Salt

6582
04:36:25,039 --> 04:36:27,359
Lake County Library. So if the students,

6583
04:36:27,359 --> 04:36:29,439
if the children are reading, they earn a

6584
04:36:29,439 --> 04:36:31,199
free ticket and they can use it at any

6585
04:36:31,199 --> 04:36:32,879
time. So it's not like going on one

6586
04:36:32,879 --> 04:36:34,959
particular day and it's so cool and

6587
04:36:34,959 --> 04:36:36,320
offers parents

6588
04:36:36,320 --> 04:36:38,080
>> the flexibility they work. They can go

6589
04:36:38,080 --> 04:36:39,760
on a Sunday, they can go on a Saturday,

6590
04:36:39,760 --> 04:36:42,160
they can go on a timeline that fits for

6591
04:36:42,160 --> 04:36:44,080
them. Um, another thing is my son

6592
04:36:44,080 --> 04:36:46,160
participates in a youth symphony program

6593
04:36:46,160 --> 04:36:48,959
through um, public schools and the

6594
04:36:48,959 --> 04:36:51,439
students got to go of no cost to me

6595
04:36:51,439 --> 04:36:52,719
included the transportation. So I don't

6596
04:36:52,719 --> 04:36:53,760
know if it was a grant school district

6597
04:36:53,760 --> 04:36:54,879
thing but it was definitely a

6598
04:36:54,879 --> 04:36:57,119
partnership. They got to take these

6599
04:36:57,119 --> 04:37:00,160
students to the Utah Museum of Natural

6600
04:37:00,160 --> 04:37:01,760
History on a field trip for all their

6601
04:37:01,760 --> 04:37:03,199
hard work that they had done. And I

6602
04:37:03,199 --> 04:37:05,359
thought that was fantastic. I asked my

6603
04:37:05,359 --> 04:37:08,160
son about it. I my children love that

6604
04:37:08,160 --> 04:37:09,760
place, but they're always so impressed

6605
04:37:09,760 --> 04:37:12,080
and they always come away with something

6606
04:37:12,080 --> 04:37:13,680
new. And you could he said you could

6607
04:37:13,680 --> 04:37:15,760
just feel that all the all the children

6608
04:37:15,760 --> 04:37:18,080
there were very excited about having

6609
04:37:18,080 --> 04:37:19,600
that experience and

6610
04:37:19,600 --> 04:37:21,439
>> and maybe for some of them it's the

6611
04:37:21,439 --> 04:37:24,320
first time maybe they don't have a way

6612
04:37:24,320 --> 04:37:26,561
to get there even if they have that free

6613
04:37:26,561 --> 04:37:27,600
ticket, right?

6614
04:37:27,600 --> 04:37:29,439
>> That now they're do the new exhibition

6615
04:37:29,439 --> 04:37:33,119
just a plug um on indigenous peoples.

6616
04:37:33,119 --> 04:37:36,240
And I think that's really the

6617
04:37:36,240 --> 04:37:38,561
opportunities for kids to

6618
04:37:38,561 --> 04:37:42,000
>> they had they've had like farmers market

6619
04:37:42,000 --> 04:37:45,359
fairs there for artisans, you know,

6620
04:37:45,359 --> 04:37:48,160
Hispanic, indigenous people that done

6621
04:37:48,160 --> 04:37:50,080
that. I think they still do that a

6622
04:37:50,080 --> 04:37:50,561
couple times

6623
04:37:50,561 --> 04:37:52,480
>> and their celebration. They have that

6624
04:37:52,480 --> 04:37:53,600
celebrations. Yeah,

6625
04:37:53,600 --> 04:37:54,799
>> that's great organization

6626
04:37:54,799 --> 04:37:57,279
>> and needed needed. I updated a

6627
04:37:57,279 --> 04:38:00,320
>> changes of score needed. Lynette did one

6628
04:38:00,320 --> 04:38:02,400
but one else

6629
04:38:02,400 --> 04:38:04,639
>> any other comments we will capture those

6630
04:38:04,639 --> 04:38:05,680
uh

6631
04:38:05,680 --> 04:38:06,320
>> okay

6632
04:38:06,320 --> 04:38:09,039
>> for for the complimenting on

6633
04:38:09,039 --> 04:38:10,080
>> as well as only

6634
04:38:10,080 --> 04:38:11,920
>> we want to be positive

6635
04:38:11,920 --> 04:38:13,199
>> okay so I think we're going to go ahead

6636
04:38:13,199 --> 04:38:15,119
and take a break for 10 minutes is that

6637
04:38:15,119 --> 04:38:19,279
I think everybody's how about uh 1 150

6638
04:38:19,279 --> 04:38:19,600
>> yes

6639
04:38:19,600 --> 04:38:21,840
>> is that okay

6640
04:38:21,840 --> 04:38:23,348
>> some

6641
04:38:23,348 --> 04:38:25,670
[laughter]

6642
04:38:25,680 --> 04:38:27,840
you don't have any there did you not

6643
04:38:27,840 --> 04:38:30,000
already see falling apart like two

6644
04:38:30,000 --> 04:48:43,670
applications ago. [laughter]

6645
04:48:43,680 --> 04:48:47,440
arts uh lead off and then on deck you

6646
04:48:47,440 --> 04:48:49,280
see you've got Museum of Fine Arts.

6647
04:48:49,280 --> 04:48:50,560
>> Yeah, I know we're a little late into

6648
04:48:50,560 --> 04:48:52,560
the s, but can we ask the Liber viewer

6649
04:48:52,560 --> 04:48:54,320
to give us your score at the end of your

6650
04:48:54,320 --> 04:48:56,718
presentation just so we know where you

6651
04:48:56,718 --> 04:48:57,600
scored it?

6652
04:48:57,600 --> 04:49:00,638
>> Yeah. To see how off they are. I Well,

6653
04:49:00,638 --> 04:49:02,798
I'm interested interesting because we do

6654
04:49:02,798 --> 04:49:04,240
know being a lead reviewer is

6655
04:49:04,240 --> 04:49:06,080
influential, right? It's you have more

6656
04:49:06,080 --> 04:49:09,110
exposure.

6657
04:49:09,120 --> 04:49:10,480
» I think you did that last year. I think

6658
04:49:10,480 --> 04:49:11,040
y'all said

6659
04:49:11,040 --> 04:49:13,600
>> we generally feel and then this is what

6660
04:49:13,600 --> 04:49:15,200
I scored and then sometimes people could

6661
04:49:15,200 --> 04:49:16,400
ask you what you scored in different

6662
04:49:16,400 --> 04:49:17,600
categories or they just move on to say,

6663
04:49:17,600 --> 04:49:18,638
"Well, this is what I scored and here's

6664
04:49:18,638 --> 04:49:19,200
why." Whatever.

6665
04:49:19,200 --> 04:49:20,480
>> Well, you just start off with saying

6666
04:49:20,480 --> 04:49:22,400
what your score was or at the end.

6667
04:49:22,400 --> 04:49:23,200
>> However you want.

6668
04:49:23,200 --> 04:49:24,560
That's good.

6669
04:49:24,560 --> 04:49:25,520
>> Viewer discretion.

6670
04:49:25,520 --> 04:49:27,280
>> Do you want us to go back and catch that

6671
04:49:27,280 --> 04:49:27,920
up or do that?

6672
04:49:27,920 --> 04:49:30,240
>> No. No. No. No. No. No. You meet the

6673
04:49:30,240 --> 04:49:32,160
Museum of Contemporary Arts. Who's that?

6674
04:49:32,160 --> 04:49:34,074
>> We're not.

6675
04:49:34,074 --> 04:49:38,070
[laughter]

6676
04:49:38,080 --> 04:49:38,480
» Go ahead.

6677
04:49:38,480 --> 04:49:41,360
>> Sorry. Um, okay. I have to go find find

6678
04:49:41,360 --> 04:49:43,120
my score so I can record that at the

6679
04:49:43,120 --> 04:49:46,320
end. Okay. Um,

6680
04:49:46,320 --> 04:49:49,360
IOA has I attended Yimoka's board

6681
04:49:49,360 --> 04:49:53,120
meeting. Um, it was it was interesting.

6682
04:49:53,120 --> 04:49:56,080
It began with a um discussion of an art

6683
04:49:56,080 --> 04:49:57,920
piece and I thought that was a cool way

6684
04:49:57,920 --> 04:50:00,718
to ground the board meeting with like 20

6685
04:50:00,718 --> 04:50:03,760
minutes of kind of um thinking about a

6686
04:50:03,760 --> 04:50:06,958
piece that was um

6687
04:50:06,958 --> 04:50:10,798
it it was multimedia. It had a a camera

6688
04:50:10,798 --> 04:50:14,958
comp or projection component and then um

6689
04:50:14,958 --> 04:50:17,600
and then some physical sculptural

6690
04:50:17,600 --> 04:50:19,360
components as well. And it was really

6691
04:50:19,360 --> 04:50:21,920
cool to hear the board talking about

6692
04:50:21,920 --> 04:50:24,080
their observations of the of the work of

6693
04:50:24,080 --> 04:50:25,600
art.

6694
04:50:25,600 --> 04:50:27,280
Um [clears throat] their board was

6695
04:50:27,280 --> 04:50:30,480
really engaged, large and really diverse

6696
04:50:30,480 --> 04:50:36,958
in terms of age age ranges. Um their um

6697
04:50:36,958 --> 04:50:40,160
exiting board chair uh was in his 80s

6698
04:50:40,160 --> 04:50:43,440
and um then there was a lot of um

6699
04:50:43,440 --> 04:50:46,878
there's been some board turnover too.

6700
04:50:46,878 --> 04:50:50,160
And so there's um new several new board

6701
04:50:50,160 --> 04:50:53,200
members who are um on a younger side

6702
04:50:53,200 --> 04:50:56,718
too. Um Emoka has had a financial

6703
04:50:56,718 --> 04:50:59,120
surplus at the end of the year or the

6704
04:50:59,120 --> 04:51:03,120
past seven years. They have investment

6705
04:51:03,120 --> 04:51:06,240
income as well. Um their expenses were

6706
04:51:06,240 --> 04:51:09,440
up 5% this past year due due to grants

6707
04:51:09,440 --> 04:51:13,600
that came in. Um I they they have a

6708
04:51:13,600 --> 04:51:16,400
strategic plan planning committee and um

6709
04:51:16,400 --> 04:51:18,958
and they reported on the strategic plan

6710
04:51:18,958 --> 04:51:21,680
extensively and I was really impressed

6711
04:51:21,680 --> 04:51:25,120
by the leader of that committee um and

6712
04:51:25,120 --> 04:51:28,400
the the metrics and ROI that's being

6713
04:51:28,400 --> 04:51:31,920
measured um in in accord in accordance

6714
04:51:31,920 --> 04:51:33,920
with the plan.

6715
04:51:33,920 --> 04:51:36,080
Um

6716
04:51:36,080 --> 04:51:40,160
they are gearing up for um that they've

6717
04:51:40,160 --> 04:51:43,680
done some things to expand statewide um

6718
04:51:43,680 --> 04:51:46,320
like they have these um workshop events

6719
04:51:46,320 --> 04:51:49,120
for artists in uh Canyon Lands for

6720
04:51:49,120 --> 04:51:53,600
example a field works um class. They

6721
04:51:53,600 --> 04:51:57,280
plan to maintain a curatorial compass on

6722
04:51:57,280 --> 04:51:59,600
programs and themes um during their

6723
04:51:59,600 --> 04:52:01,440
upcoming displacement from their

6724
04:52:01,440 --> 04:52:06,080
location as a result of the downtown um

6725
04:52:06,080 --> 04:52:07,600
overhaul. [laughter]

6726
04:52:07,600 --> 04:52:09,200
Uh

6727
04:52:09,200 --> 04:52:11,120
they will celebrate um let's see their

6728
04:52:11,120 --> 04:52:13,760
weaknesses include you know I guess I

6729
04:52:13,760 --> 04:52:16,400
would say you know audience draw um

6730
04:52:16,400 --> 04:52:19,920
demand for for contemporary art. Having

6731
04:52:19,920 --> 04:52:22,080
said that, they will celebrate 100 years

6732
04:52:22,080 --> 04:52:24,560
in 2031. They're already planning on

6733
04:52:24,560 --> 04:52:26,798
that. So, I mean, the longevity, I

6734
04:52:26,798 --> 04:52:28,320
guess, does demonstrate that

6735
04:52:28,320 --> 04:52:32,798
contemporary art has a has a a long-term

6736
04:52:32,798 --> 04:52:35,600
appeal. Um, and then their current

6737
04:52:35,600 --> 04:52:38,958
location also has some um

6738
04:52:38,958 --> 04:52:40,638
it would would also be kind of a

6739
04:52:40,638 --> 04:52:42,798
weakness because it's kind of an obscure

6740
04:52:42,798 --> 04:52:44,400
location despite the fact that it's

6741
04:52:44,400 --> 04:52:46,878
right by City Creek.

6742
04:52:46,878 --> 04:52:48,612
um

6743
04:52:48,612 --> 04:52:50,948
[clears throat and snorts]

6744
04:52:50,958 --> 04:52:54,708
that they've

6745
04:52:54,718 --> 04:52:58,400
just um that's kind of the bulk of my

6746
04:52:58,400 --> 04:53:01,760
observations. Um,

6747
04:53:01,760 --> 04:53:06,400
I tend to I like the fact that they are,

6748
04:53:06,400 --> 04:53:08,878
you know, I think I am impressed by the

6749
04:53:08,878 --> 04:53:11,360
way that they're adapting and gearing up

6750
04:53:11,360 --> 04:53:14,638
to the lack of location and they just

6751
04:53:14,638 --> 04:53:16,638
kind of feel like their organization

6752
04:53:16,638 --> 04:53:22,958
isn't dependent on a on a space because as long as they

6753
04:53:22,958 --> 04:53:26,000
um stay true to their mission um they

6754
04:53:26,000 --> 04:53:29,920
can continue to exist.

6755
04:53:29,920 --> 04:53:34,878
So, um, I I tend to score nice, so I

6756
04:53:34,878 --> 04:53:38,080
give [laughter] them I give them a 13.

6757
04:53:38,080 --> 04:53:41,360
>> Can I ask you, Heidi? Um, I I felt like

6758
04:53:41,360 --> 04:53:43,200
my initial sense in just reading the

6759
04:53:43,200 --> 04:53:46,400
application is that board member um

6760
04:53:46,400 --> 04:53:48,638
increase from 19 to 30. It's not like it

6761
04:53:48,638 --> 04:53:52,240
was 19 to 22 or 25. 19 to 30 is

6762
04:53:52,240 --> 04:53:55,280
significant. To me, it just felt like a

6763
04:53:55,280 --> 04:53:57,200
reactionary

6764
04:53:57,200 --> 04:54:01,360
um decision and action to increase their

6765
04:54:01,360 --> 04:54:03,840
revenues, right? Because they do have a

6766
04:54:03,840 --> 04:54:07,840
large board um giving requirement. Um so

6767
04:54:07,840 --> 04:54:11,920
that was an initial almost only to fund

6768
04:54:11,920 --> 04:54:14,400
raise it seemed like to me strategy. Can

6769
04:54:14,400 --> 04:54:15,760
you tell me, do you feel like it really

6770
04:54:15,760 --> 04:54:18,000
was just a way of bringing in more money

6771
04:54:18,000 --> 04:54:20,480
or do you feel like there was some real

6772
04:54:20,480 --> 04:54:22,638
intentional recruiting,

6773
04:54:22,638 --> 04:54:25,280
looking at skill sets, contributions

6774
04:54:25,280 --> 04:54:28,080
that this team of new board members

6775
04:54:28,080 --> 04:54:30,320
could make that the museum was maybe

6776
04:54:30,320 --> 04:54:32,480
lacking in beforehand?

6777
04:54:32,480 --> 04:54:35,200
>> How did they go from 19 to 30? I guess

6778
04:54:35,200 --> 04:54:37,600
>> again,

6779
04:54:37,600 --> 04:54:40,240
I mean, fundraising is a big deal. There

6780
04:54:40,240 --> 04:54:44,400
is they're an interesting board. They um

6781
04:54:44,400 --> 04:54:47,440
attend um

6782
04:54:47,440 --> 04:54:50,718
international um tours like Art Basle

6783
04:54:50,718 --> 04:54:53,040
together and stuff like that and they

6784
04:54:53,040 --> 04:54:58,160
spend money to do I mean they pay um the

6785
04:54:58,160 --> 04:55:00,878
museum for the spaces on those tours.

6786
04:55:00,878 --> 04:55:04,400
They also they also provide them um as

6787
04:55:04,400 --> 04:55:06,400
auction items in their annual

6788
04:55:06,400 --> 04:55:07,440
fundraiser.

6789
04:55:07,440 --> 04:55:09,040
>> Okay.

6790
04:55:09,040 --> 04:55:10,160
>> Thank you.

6791
04:55:10,160 --> 04:55:13,520
Have they come up with another location?

6792
04:55:13,520 --> 04:55:15,280
That's where they're in a county.

6793
04:55:15,280 --> 04:55:17,440
>> They they will be sort of considered a

6794
04:55:17,440 --> 04:55:18,638
county venue.

6795
04:55:18,638 --> 04:55:19,680
>> They are now, right?

6796
04:55:19,680 --> 04:55:21,440
>> Uh yes, they are in Salt Palace

6797
04:55:21,440 --> 04:55:23,200
basically, right? And that's county city

6798
04:55:23,200 --> 04:55:26,400
kind of thing. Um and uh the county is

6799
04:55:26,400 --> 04:55:28,080
working with them that when the new

6800
04:55:28,080 --> 04:55:30,320
space is built, they will have a home.

6801
04:55:30,320 --> 04:55:32,798
>> And will be a lease is

6802
04:55:32,798 --> 04:55:34,240
>> I'm assuming it'll be just almost like a

6803
04:55:34,240 --> 04:55:35,920
resident, but yes.

6804
04:55:35,920 --> 04:55:38,878
Do you think that that will be since the

6805
04:55:38,878 --> 04:55:41,200
county is spreading to facilities you

6806
04:55:41,200 --> 04:55:43,280
know outside of downtown will it

6807
04:55:43,280 --> 04:55:44,560
necessarily [clears throat] be downtown?

6808
04:55:44,560 --> 04:55:46,000
I believe it will be downtown from what

6809
04:55:46,000 --> 04:55:47,520
I understand what I've read so far in

6810
04:55:47,520 --> 04:55:49,360
the plants where they've changed um

6811
04:55:49,360 --> 04:55:50,560
they're supposed to be downtown have a

6812
04:55:50,560 --> 04:55:51,200
nice location

6813
04:55:51,200 --> 04:55:54,160
>> nearly 50% of their visitorship is from

6814
04:55:54,160 --> 04:55:56,638
out of town right so and I think that's

6815
04:55:56,638 --> 04:55:59,600
because they appeal they're like on the

6816
04:55:59,600 --> 04:56:02,708
by

6817
04:56:02,718 --> 04:56:04,560
» yeah I think that there's

6818
04:56:04,560 --> 04:56:06,400
>> yeah they're certainly one of those

6819
04:56:06,400 --> 04:56:09,600
visitor destinations even more so

6820
04:56:09,600 --> 04:56:12,160
>> I think I think the residents don't know

6821
04:56:12,160 --> 04:56:12,798
it's there

6822
04:56:12,798 --> 04:56:15,520
>> yeah that's what I was a bit surprised

6823
04:56:15,520 --> 04:56:18,000
given that they've been a hundred years.

6824
04:56:18,000 --> 04:56:19,680
I mean, contemporary art is sort of a

6825
04:56:19,680 --> 04:56:22,480
standard in in you know, museums and in

6826
04:56:22,480 --> 04:56:24,320
all kinds of municipalities, but that

6827
04:56:24,320 --> 04:56:26,320
their awareness is so limited. I was a

6828
04:56:26,320 --> 04:56:28,638
little bit surprised by that given 100

6829
04:56:28,638 --> 04:56:30,638
years. And then also their their

6830
04:56:30,638 --> 04:56:33,600
economic model is completely it seems

6831
04:56:33,600 --> 04:56:37,520
public dollars. They don't have

6832
04:56:37,520 --> 04:56:39,280
>> well except the board

6833
04:56:39,280 --> 04:56:41,280
>> except well I don't

6834
04:56:41,280 --> 04:56:44,160
>> but but in terms of selling or revenue,

6835
04:56:44,160 --> 04:56:46,480
>> concessions, or you know, selling

6836
04:56:46,480 --> 04:56:48,638
artwork or any of the things that they

6837
04:56:48,638 --> 04:56:50,080
otherwise said they couldn't do.

6838
04:56:50,080 --> 04:56:51,840
>> Yeah, their board again, districts one

6839
04:56:51,840 --> 04:56:54,480
and four is taking 22 of the 24 Salt

6840
04:56:54,480 --> 04:56:57,200
Lake County seats. Um, and it's hard to

6841
04:56:57,200 --> 04:56:59,200
think that they'll ever infiltrate a lot

6842
04:56:59,200 --> 04:57:00,878
more of the county with awareness and

6843
04:57:00,878 --> 04:57:03,040
services if they don't somehow start

6844
04:57:03,040 --> 04:57:04,958
being more intentional with where

6845
04:57:04,958 --> 04:57:06,560
they're getting information about how to

6846
04:57:06,560 --> 04:57:07,680
serve those communities

6847
04:57:07,680 --> 04:57:09,920
>> and competitive. Yeah. because they're

6848
04:57:09,920 --> 04:57:13,120
in the last year, four other venues kind

6849
04:57:13,120 --> 04:57:15,760
of down in that area competing with it.

6850
04:57:15,760 --> 04:57:18,638
And I think I I think they're aware of

6851
04:57:18,638 --> 04:57:20,958
it and hoping that the new situation

6852
04:57:20,958 --> 04:57:23,360
will alleviate some of that, but they've

6853
04:57:23,360 --> 04:57:26,718
still got this competition factor and of

6854
04:57:26,718 --> 04:57:28,560
board members. A couple of board members

6855
04:57:28,560 --> 04:57:31,200
are going on some of these others. So, I

6856
04:57:31,200 --> 04:57:34,320
think it's really worth it, Heidi, to,

6857
04:57:34,320 --> 04:57:36,798
you know, I I think they're aware of it

6858
04:57:36,798 --> 04:57:39,520
and working on it, but it's it's going

6859
04:57:39,520 --> 04:57:40,958
to be tricky going through this

6860
04:57:40,958 --> 04:57:44,160
transition that really concerns me for

6861
04:57:44,160 --> 04:57:44,638
them.

6862
04:57:44,638 --> 04:57:47,360
>> Plus, the temporary move

6863
04:57:47,360 --> 04:57:49,360
>> in between. Yeah, that's

6864
04:57:49,360 --> 04:57:51,280
>> when construction supposed to begin that

6865
04:57:51,280 --> 04:57:52,638
time. That's still being discussed.

6866
04:57:52,638 --> 04:57:55,600
>> It said tearing down August 27 is what

6867
04:57:55,600 --> 04:57:57,520
they've heard. August 2020.

6868
04:57:57,520 --> 04:57:59,740
>> Tomorrow.

6869
04:57:59,740 --> 04:58:02,480
[laughter] that happened today.

6870
04:58:02,480 --> 04:58:05,040
>> Apostrophe in front of 27.

6871
04:58:05,040 --> 04:58:06,878
>> I got to go visit those sites.

6872
04:58:06,878 --> 04:58:08,560
>> In our newsletter, we list we do try to

6873
04:58:08,560 --> 04:58:09,760
keep you informed because we know it's

6874
04:58:09,760 --> 04:58:11,520
important for the board to know and our

6875
04:58:11,520 --> 04:58:14,798
grantees about what time the venue what time of year the venues are

6876
04:58:14,798 --> 04:58:17,040
closing. Uh not what time year sorry

6877
04:58:17,040 --> 04:58:19,200
what year time period are they closing

6878
04:58:19,200 --> 04:58:20,718
and then the the opening

6879
04:58:20,718 --> 04:58:22,718
>> what's being demolished like the palace

6880
04:58:22,718 --> 04:58:23,280
or what

6881
04:58:23,280 --> 04:58:24,798
>> it's being changed or transformed.

6882
04:58:24,798 --> 04:58:27,760
convention center and that palace is

6883
04:58:27,760 --> 04:58:30,400
being or part of it is being more public

6884
04:58:30,400 --> 04:58:32,958
accessible like outdoor space and a

6885
04:58:32,958 --> 04:58:36,160
brain will be remodeled. Um the yumoka

6886
04:58:36,160 --> 04:58:38,718
should be in a more prominent space. Um

6887
04:58:38,718 --> 04:58:41,040
so but um I'm quoting those dates

6888
04:58:41,040 --> 04:58:42,160
because I can't remember they

6889
04:58:42,160 --> 04:58:43,760
>> okay remember the dates closing and

6890
04:58:43,760 --> 04:58:44,080
opening.

6891
04:58:44,080 --> 04:58:45,760
>> I think it'll be the the convention

6892
04:58:45,760 --> 04:58:48,080
center closed from September 2027 for

6893
04:58:48,080 --> 04:58:49,760
three years. the convention center next

6894
04:58:49,760 --> 04:58:51,120
to the mills.

6895
04:58:51,120 --> 04:58:53,600
>> I thought they were one of the same.

6896
04:58:53,600 --> 04:58:56,560
>> They share the same HVAC is the issue.

6897
04:58:56,560 --> 04:58:58,718
>> I just thought they were the same thing.

6898
04:58:58,718 --> 04:58:59,520
>> They're not the same.

6899
04:58:59,520 --> 04:59:01,360
>> So the Brav and the Salt Palace and the

6900
04:59:01,360 --> 04:59:02,798
Emoka are the same build. Well, they

6901
04:59:02,798 --> 04:59:04,320
same share the same Hback. That's the

6902
04:59:04,320 --> 04:59:06,400
big thing. Um but they'll close a little

6903
04:59:06,400 --> 04:59:07,920
bit different times. I think um I think

6904
04:59:07,920 --> 04:59:09,360
Yumoka is going to stay six months

6905
04:59:09,360 --> 04:59:11,360
longer than the bigger convention

6906
04:59:11,360 --> 04:59:13,360
center. And then they'll take they'll be

6907
04:59:13,360 --> 04:59:14,958
back online like six months later or

6908
04:59:14,958 --> 04:59:15,840
something, if that makes sense. So

6909
04:59:15,840 --> 04:59:17,200
they're basically on the same similar

6910
04:59:17,200 --> 04:59:18,958
calendars. Um

6911
04:59:18,958 --> 04:59:21,200
>> are they looking ahead with all these

6912
04:59:21,200 --> 04:59:23,440
just

6913
04:59:23,440 --> 04:59:24,160
>> Yes. They're going to,

6914
04:59:24,160 --> 04:59:26,560
>> you know, with outreach and just

6915
04:59:26,560 --> 04:59:28,160
>> Yeah, they're planning to adjust their

6916
04:59:28,160 --> 04:59:31,760
educational programs. Um uh you know,

6917
04:59:31,760 --> 04:59:33,120
because like they currently have summer

6918
04:59:33,120 --> 04:59:34,080
camp stuff,

6919
04:59:34,080 --> 04:59:36,400
>> but they've got their truck, right? That

6920
04:59:36,400 --> 04:59:39,120
they said they're doing that little van

6921
04:59:39,120 --> 04:59:39,920
go

6922
04:59:39,920 --> 04:59:41,280
>> truck. Our truck.

6923
04:59:41,280 --> 04:59:42,240
>> Yeah.

6924
04:59:42,240 --> 04:59:42,638
>> Okay.

6925
04:59:42,638 --> 04:59:45,280
their skeleton staff was lauded by

6926
04:59:45,280 --> 04:59:48,472
board members. So,

6927
04:59:48,472 --> 04:59:49,600
[laughter]

6928
04:59:49,600 --> 04:59:51,680
>> we've got them listed now at 10.1 and

6929
04:59:51,680 --> 04:59:53,040
adequate. If anyone wants to make any

6930
04:59:53,040 --> 04:59:54,958
adjustments up or down in the comments

6931
04:59:54,958 --> 04:59:56,798
or their scores, let's go ahead and do

6932
04:59:56,798 --> 04:59:58,480
that now.

6933
04:59:58,480 --> 04:59:58,958
>> And

6934
04:59:58,958 --> 05:00:00,798
>> Museum of Fine Arts is next.

6935
05:00:00,798 --> 05:00:03,440
>> Yeah, it's Amanda.

6936
05:00:03,440 --> 05:00:03,840
>> All right.

6937
05:00:03,840 --> 05:00:06,718
>> Uh average was 111. I think I gave him a

6938
05:00:06,718 --> 05:00:12,160
10. Um start with the strengths. So, uh,

6939
05:00:12,160 --> 05:00:13,840
they showed me around the museum. They

6940
05:00:13,840 --> 05:00:18,400
have a newer exhibit. Um, and it was I

6941
05:00:18,400 --> 05:00:21,280
forget what it was called, but, um, it

6942
05:00:21,280 --> 05:00:23,680
had like Mexican-American art, and it,

6943
05:00:23,680 --> 05:00:25,280
uh, I was impressed by the partnerships

6944
05:00:25,280 --> 05:00:27,280
and the

6945
05:00:27,280 --> 05:00:28,718
community outreach they did in

6946
05:00:28,718 --> 05:00:30,160
preparation for that exhibit to make

6947
05:00:30,160 --> 05:00:31,680
sure it was done very intentionally with

6948
05:00:31,680 --> 05:00:34,638
consideration to the MexicanAmerican

6949
05:00:34,638 --> 05:00:38,240
community here in Utah. Um, that was

6950
05:00:38,240 --> 05:00:41,120
very thoughtful. be

6951
05:00:41,120 --> 05:00:43,280
it seems like they they do a lot of

6952
05:00:43,280 --> 05:00:44,798
Yeah, they they're very thoughtful about

6953
05:00:44,798 --> 05:00:46,560
all of their more modern exhibits that

6954
05:00:46,560 --> 05:00:48,958
they bring in, which I appreciated. Um,

6955
05:00:48,958 --> 05:00:51,440
and then I got a tour of their archives.

6956
05:00:51,440 --> 05:00:53,200
That space was very well taken care of.

6957
05:00:53,200 --> 05:00:54,718
Their staff is very caring. They're

6958
05:00:54,718 --> 05:00:56,080
knowledgeable. I got to chat with some

6959
05:00:56,080 --> 05:00:57,600
of them and they they really know what

6960
05:00:57,600 --> 05:00:58,718
they're doing. They really care about

6961
05:00:58,718 --> 05:01:01,600
this art. So, excellent stewards of the

6962
05:01:01,600 --> 05:01:06,000
art. Um, weaknesses. So, I did sit in on

6963
05:01:06,000 --> 05:01:08,798
a board meeting. Um, and I also asked a

6964
05:01:08,798 --> 05:01:09,920
little bit about the board during my

6965
05:01:09,920 --> 05:01:12,320
site visit as well.

6966
05:01:12,320 --> 05:01:16,080
Um, not a lot of diversity and their

6967
05:01:16,080 --> 05:01:18,400
board chair, I think she said she was

6968
05:01:18,400 --> 05:01:23,440
92. Uh, no plans to set down. Um, and

6969
05:01:23,440 --> 05:01:25,520
they spent a lot of their board meeting

6970
05:01:25,520 --> 05:01:27,840
talking about um I think the Hudson

6971
05:01:27,840 --> 05:01:30,000
Center at the U, right, is is right by

6972
05:01:30,000 --> 05:01:32,240
them. They're going to be renovating it,

6973
05:01:32,240 --> 05:01:33,920
doing some new things, building some new

6974
05:01:33,920 --> 05:01:36,638
like student centers and retail spaces.

6975
05:01:36,638 --> 05:01:38,878
It's going to be very exciting. The

6976
05:01:38,878 --> 05:01:40,400
museum is not part of that, but they're

6977
05:01:40,400 --> 05:01:42,000
next to it. And they spend a lot of time

6978
05:01:42,000 --> 05:01:43,600
speculating about like how that would

6979
05:01:43,600 --> 05:01:45,360
affect them and like if they're going to

6980
05:01:45,360 --> 05:01:49,520
get more traffic. And it was it was very

6981
05:01:49,520 --> 05:01:51,200
I did not feel it was a very productive

6982
05:01:51,200 --> 05:01:53,600
board meeting. Um I felt like the board

6983
05:01:53,600 --> 05:01:55,760
is just kind of there. They've always

6984
05:01:55,760 --> 05:01:58,240
been there. Um they're just kind of

6985
05:01:58,240 --> 05:02:01,280
there just to be there. um it didn't

6986
05:02:01,280 --> 05:02:03,680
seem like they had any well so another

6987
05:02:03,680 --> 05:02:06,000
thing they talked about was um they had

6988
05:02:06,000 --> 05:02:08,320
very limited physical space right they

6989
05:02:08,320 --> 05:02:10,798
would like to expand because they're um

6990
05:02:10,798 --> 05:02:13,760
almost at capacity with um their archive

6991
05:02:13,760 --> 05:02:16,160
space and being able to store pieces um

6992
05:02:16,160 --> 05:02:17,840
being able to accept new pieces is going

6993
05:02:17,840 --> 05:02:20,798
to be very challenging for them um also

6994
05:02:20,798 --> 05:02:23,920
they're trying to they they do make use

6995
05:02:23,920 --> 05:02:26,718
of many of their active spaces um in

6996
05:02:26,718 --> 05:02:28,798
partnership with the U with students as

6997
05:02:28,798 --> 05:02:30,400
like educational spaces and community

6998
05:02:30,400 --> 05:02:32,320
spaces, which is great, but they would

6999
05:02:32,320 --> 05:02:34,240
like to expand. However, there's no

7000
05:02:34,240 --> 05:02:36,958
clear plan to expand. There's no clear

7001
05:02:36,958 --> 05:02:38,878
source of funding for that, but they

7002
05:02:38,878 --> 05:02:40,560
still spent a lot of time talking about

7003
05:02:40,560 --> 05:02:41,920
what that would look like and how they

7004
05:02:41,920 --> 05:02:43,280
would do it. And so, it just seemed a

7005
05:02:43,280 --> 05:02:45,680
lot of

7006
05:02:45,680 --> 05:02:47,600
discussion about things that aren't

7007
05:02:47,600 --> 05:02:50,080
going to happen to them. And so, I

7008
05:02:50,080 --> 05:02:52,320
didn't really understand

7009
05:02:52,320 --> 05:02:53,920
what the purpose of their meeting was

7010
05:02:53,920 --> 05:02:56,718
that I sat in on. Um, so I think that

7011
05:02:56,718 --> 05:03:00,718
was just I wasn't impressed by that. Um,

7012
05:03:00,718 --> 05:03:03,360
but as far as the actual arts in the

7013
05:03:03,360 --> 05:03:05,520
exhibits, very thoughtfully done, very

7014
05:03:05,520 --> 05:03:07,600
considerate of the communities that they

7015
05:03:07,600 --> 05:03:11,520
are trying to represent in their art.

7016
05:03:11,520 --> 05:03:12,878
>> At that

7017
05:03:12,878 --> 05:03:14,878
>> the executive director, she's been in

7018
05:03:14,878 --> 05:03:17,840
place a long time. Gretchen. So this

7019
05:03:17,840 --> 05:03:19,840
comment was addressing that succession

7020
05:03:19,840 --> 05:03:22,080
about her too. It was just the chair of

7021
05:03:22,080 --> 05:03:23,760
the board. but not the fact that she's

7022
05:03:23,760 --> 05:03:24,718
been there a long time.

7023
05:03:24,718 --> 05:03:25,440
>> No, she seems

7024
05:03:25,440 --> 05:03:27,920
>> Who might who might step in for her?

7025
05:03:27,920 --> 05:03:30,718
>> Um I don't know. Um she's I kind of

7026
05:03:30,718 --> 05:03:32,878
tried to ask and she kind of brushed

7027
05:03:32,878 --> 05:03:35,440
over that a little bit. Um she said that

7028
05:03:35,440 --> 05:03:37,120
they have great staff and they they

7029
05:03:37,120 --> 05:03:39,120
don't have a lot of turnover, which is

7030
05:03:39,120 --> 05:03:40,080
good, but

7031
05:03:40,080 --> 05:03:42,240
>> it wasn't a clear She didn't give me a

7032
05:03:42,240 --> 05:03:43,200
clear answer on that one.

7033
05:03:43,200 --> 05:03:45,440
>> Yeah, they lost their backup.

7034
05:03:45,440 --> 05:03:46,240
>> Oh, did they?

7035
05:03:46,240 --> 05:03:47,360
>> Idea person.

7036
05:03:47,360 --> 05:03:49,120
>> They had an individual that

7037
05:03:49,120 --> 05:03:50,000
>> somebody Yeah.

7038
05:03:50,000 --> 05:03:52,798
>> Okay. Um, I have a question about

7039
05:03:52,798 --> 05:03:54,798
because I've never asked about their

7040
05:03:54,798 --> 05:03:57,680
free discounted admission days. That's a

7041
05:03:57,680 --> 05:04:00,560
real concern for me. It seems like it's

7042
05:04:00,560 --> 05:04:01,920
such a narrow

7043
05:04:01,920 --> 05:04:02,560
>> Yes.

7044
05:04:02,560 --> 05:04:05,440
>> window. Did Did they address that at all

7045
05:04:05,440 --> 05:04:09,360
or how Zach that the zap money might

7046
05:04:09,360 --> 05:04:11,360
>> because they say that day,

7047
05:04:11,360 --> 05:04:14,000
>> right? It felt very similar to how um

7048
05:04:14,000 --> 05:04:15,680
Wette feels about the aquarium and I

7049
05:04:15,680 --> 05:04:18,000
also feel similarly is that they they do

7050
05:04:18,000 --> 05:04:20,160
this as kind of like this is just the

7051
05:04:20,160 --> 05:04:21,760
number of days that we have to get for

7052
05:04:21,760 --> 05:04:23,760
free and then everything else they

7053
05:04:23,760 --> 05:04:26,000
don't. Um and it didn't seem like they

7054
05:04:26,000 --> 05:04:28,080
had any I I asked if they had any

7055
05:04:28,080 --> 05:04:30,958
intention of like broadening discounted

7056
05:04:30,958 --> 05:04:34,480
days or or free days and they didn't.

7057
05:04:34,480 --> 05:04:36,798
>> So is that one is it one Wednesday, one

7058
05:04:36,798 --> 05:04:38,560
Saturday? Yeah, it's a Wednesday

7059
05:04:38,560 --> 05:04:39,840
evening.

7060
05:04:39,840 --> 05:04:40,480
>> Saturday morning.

7061
05:04:40,480 --> 05:04:42,400
>> And then they have a a Yeah. a family

7062
05:04:42,400 --> 05:04:43,840
day, I think, once a month.

7063
05:04:43,840 --> 05:04:44,638
>> Saturday morning.

7064
05:04:44,638 --> 05:04:46,798
>> Yes, that's what it was. Um

7065
05:04:46,798 --> 05:04:49,040
>> Yeah. So, so kids kids can go in and and

7066
05:04:49,040 --> 05:04:50,798
they have like art activities for them.

7067
05:04:50,798 --> 05:04:52,480
>> There's a limit though, don't they? On

7068
05:04:52,480 --> 05:04:53,360
how many connection

7069
05:04:53,360 --> 05:04:54,798
>> the capacity? Yes. Because of their

7070
05:04:54,798 --> 05:04:57,520
physical space, they are. So

7071
05:04:57,520 --> 05:04:59,840
>> are they you mean for the um the

7072
05:04:59,840 --> 05:05:01,280
education space where they

7073
05:05:01,280 --> 05:05:04,798
>> education they do like

7074
05:05:04,798 --> 05:05:07,120
they hire the director of accounting how

7075
05:05:07,120 --> 05:05:09,680
does that tie in with just their

7076
05:05:09,680 --> 05:05:12,798
financial health and offerings does that

7077
05:05:12,798 --> 05:05:14,560
is that incorporated into their year

7078
05:05:14,560 --> 05:05:16,080
inclusive programming or

7079
05:05:16,080 --> 05:05:19,600
>> I'm not sure it's univer

7080
05:05:19,600 --> 05:05:21,520
it's it's a yeah it's attached to the

7081
05:05:21,520 --> 05:05:23,680
university

7082
05:05:23,680 --> 05:05:26,000
>> director oversight they hired a new

7083
05:05:26,000 --> 05:05:29,440
director accounting in 2026

7084
05:05:29,440 --> 05:05:33,200
financial practices in 2027.

7085
05:05:33,200 --> 05:05:34,970
>> I'm afraid to read what I wrote.

7086
05:05:34,970 --> 05:05:38,470
[laughter]

7087
05:05:38,480 --> 05:05:40,560
» We're here for you.

7088
05:05:40,560 --> 05:05:42,480
>> Net income, you know, so they're very

7089
05:05:42,480 --> 05:05:44,000
focused on

7090
05:05:44,000 --> 05:05:45,760
>> make sure they do well financially.

7091
05:05:45,760 --> 05:05:48,160
They're hiring. Maybe was it the the

7092
05:05:48,160 --> 05:05:49,680
review where they talked about the

7093
05:05:49,680 --> 05:05:50,480
forgiveness

7094
05:05:50,480 --> 05:05:51,440
>> from the

7095
05:05:51,440 --> 05:05:54,400
>> lost forgiveness and they had a new

7096
05:05:54,400 --> 05:05:56,240
person come in and review that or

7097
05:05:56,240 --> 05:05:56,798
something?

7098
05:05:56,798 --> 05:05:59,760
>> No, it said they hired a new director of

7099
05:05:59,760 --> 05:06:03,120
accounting in 2026 for direct oversight

7100
05:06:03,120 --> 05:06:05,040
>> demonstrating commitment to improved

7101
05:06:05,040 --> 05:06:07,280
financial.

7102
05:06:07,280 --> 05:06:09,200
Well, and before we wrap up, I I would

7103
05:06:09,200 --> 05:06:10,798
be interested in hearing Peter's

7104
05:06:10,798 --> 05:06:12,718
thoughts on this, too. But for me, I was

7105
05:06:12,718 --> 05:06:15,360
so so highly disappointed in in this

7106
05:06:15,360 --> 05:06:17,040
application because I felt like I just

7107
05:06:17,040 --> 05:06:18,878
read the exact same application for

7108
05:06:18,878 --> 05:06:21,440
three times in a row. And if I hear one

7109
05:06:21,440 --> 05:06:23,040
more time about their partnership with

7110
05:06:23,040 --> 05:06:26,798
Art Des Mexico, which has now been

7111
05:06:26,798 --> 05:06:28,718
there, done that, and they're just

7112
05:06:28,718 --> 05:06:30,878
holding on to it like it's a token, like

7113
05:06:30,878 --> 05:06:35,280
this is our token diversity program. Um,

7114
05:06:35,280 --> 05:06:37,840
I really I hate to say it, but I really

7115
05:06:37,840 --> 05:06:41,200
scored them so much lower this year. I

7116
05:06:41,200 --> 05:06:43,200
originally had the same enthusiasm as

7117
05:06:43,200 --> 05:06:46,240
you started with your review. Um, but

7118
05:06:46,240 --> 05:06:48,000
now that it's been three years in a row,

7119
05:06:48,000 --> 05:06:49,360
it's like, what have you done for me

7120
05:06:49,360 --> 05:06:52,240
lately? And no changes in our

7121
05:06:52,240 --> 05:06:55,360
application or lead reviewer feedback

7122
05:06:55,360 --> 05:06:57,600
has allowed them to up their game and

7123
05:06:57,600 --> 05:06:59,520
serving a larger part of the community.

7124
05:06:59,520 --> 05:07:02,000
They're probably the most hyper local of

7125
05:07:02,000 --> 05:07:04,320
all of our organizations and their board

7126
05:07:04,320 --> 05:07:09,120
representation and how they serve the county residents and so I feel like

7127
05:07:09,120 --> 05:07:12,480
they have a lot of space to sort of get

7128
05:07:12,480 --> 05:07:14,400
with the program as a tier one.

7129
05:07:14,400 --> 05:07:16,878
>> So I reviewed them twice.

7130
05:07:16,878 --> 05:07:18,638
So I don't know why I got a couple that

7131
05:07:18,638 --> 05:07:20,400
I've done twice. Yeah.

7132
05:07:20,400 --> 05:07:21,760
>> The beginning and then a second time.

7133
05:07:21,760 --> 05:07:21,920
It's

7134
05:07:21,920 --> 05:07:24,638
>> your sixth year. Number six, right?

7135
05:07:24,638 --> 05:07:29,120
>> Okay. Anyway, so that artist they also

7136
05:07:29,120 --> 05:07:31,920
had but they were very focused on uh

7137
05:07:31,920 --> 05:07:33,680
stewardship and knowing the providence

7138
05:07:33,680 --> 05:07:35,840
of art like some Japanese exhibit that

7139
05:07:35,840 --> 05:07:38,080
they did some years ago.

7140
05:07:38,080 --> 05:07:40,878
>> The other was um and it doesn't sound

7141
05:07:40,878 --> 05:07:42,560
like as I was listening that they made

7142
05:07:42,560 --> 05:07:43,920
much progress on some of these things

7143
05:07:43,920 --> 05:07:45,360
because I think the last time I visited

7144
05:07:45,360 --> 05:07:50,080
with Gretchen was three years ago and uh

7145
05:07:50,080 --> 05:07:52,000
I used to talk to him a lot about why

7146
05:07:52,000 --> 05:07:53,600
aren't you collaborating with the

7147
05:07:53,600 --> 05:07:54,638
business school? Yeah,

7148
05:07:54,638 --> 05:07:57,200
>> the Huntsman or the engineering school,

7149
05:07:57,200 --> 05:07:59,120
they can't seem to

7150
05:07:59,120 --> 05:08:01,280
>> collaborate even in their neighborhood.

7151
05:08:01,280 --> 05:08:02,718
>> Sounds like

7152
05:08:02,718 --> 05:08:04,718
>> and uh I don't know what, you know, I

7153
05:08:04,718 --> 05:08:06,638
don't know what that challenge is.

7154
05:08:06,638 --> 05:08:08,878
>> U parking is a problem up there, too, if

7155
05:08:08,878 --> 05:08:10,080
you're a visitor.

7156
05:08:10,080 --> 05:08:12,400
>> So, uh it doesn't sound like they've

7157
05:08:12,400 --> 05:08:14,878
made as much progress. I mean, four or

7158
05:08:14,878 --> 05:08:16,798
five years ago, there was the COVID

7159
05:08:16,798 --> 05:08:18,798
excuse, you know, which everybody so for

7160
05:08:18,798 --> 05:08:20,320
like a couple years, three years, I

7161
05:08:20,320 --> 05:08:22,320
think they're still trying to recover

7162
05:08:22,320 --> 05:08:24,638
from that, but there's something um

7163
05:08:24,638 --> 05:08:26,480
institutionally

7164
05:08:26,480 --> 05:08:29,200
that's not working. Now, the other thing

7165
05:08:29,200 --> 05:08:31,920
is they have the cover of the U, which

7166
05:08:31,920 --> 05:08:33,840
is another thing.

7167
05:08:33,840 --> 05:08:35,600
>> That much money. Yes.

7168
05:08:35,600 --> 05:08:36,958
>> I mean, the U was always going to step

7169
05:08:36,958 --> 05:08:38,638
in because it's a building I think that

7170
05:08:38,638 --> 05:08:41,600
the U owns. So I mean there's I'd like

7171
05:08:41,600 --> 05:08:43,040
to think that there'd be more progress.

7172
05:08:43,040 --> 05:08:45,600
It doesn't sound like there has been.

7173
05:08:45,600 --> 05:08:47,680
>> We've got those notes. It sounds like

7174
05:08:47,680 --> 05:08:49,440
some outreach issues is kind of what

7175
05:08:49,440 --> 05:08:50,878
you're saying. Community building.

7176
05:08:50,878 --> 05:08:53,360
>> Well, again, they they could collaborate

7177
05:08:53,360 --> 05:08:55,280
with lots of communities around the

7178
05:08:55,280 --> 05:08:56,080
county

7179
05:08:56,080 --> 05:08:56,718
>> and and

7180
05:08:56,718 --> 05:08:58,480
>> they could bring some of their exhibits

7181
05:08:58,480 --> 05:09:00,642
to different places.

7182
05:09:00,642 --> 05:09:04,150
[laughter]

7183
05:09:04,160 --> 05:09:06,798
» My word was effort. Show some effort.

7184
05:09:06,798 --> 05:09:11,600
>> Add that. Yeah, [laughter]

7185
05:09:11,600 --> 05:09:12,400
like

7186
05:09:12,400 --> 05:09:14,718
>> that's a great smile. You know, you were

7187
05:09:14,718 --> 05:09:17,200
so impassive that you're breaking out of

7188
05:09:17,200 --> 05:09:18,000
a smile.

7189
05:09:18,000 --> 05:09:20,400
>> I assume we [laughter] need a minute for

7190
05:09:20,400 --> 05:09:21,600
people to

7191
05:09:21,600 --> 05:09:23,360
>> Sounds like we need some score

7192
05:09:23,360 --> 05:09:24,320
adjustments.

7193
05:09:24,320 --> 05:09:26,638
>> So, let's go ahead and make that happen.

7194
05:09:26,638 --> 05:09:28,240
We've always said about Amanda, she

7195
05:09:28,240 --> 05:09:30,120
doesn't say a lot, but what she says is

7196
05:09:30,120 --> 05:09:33,600
[laughter] very profound. listen

7197
05:09:33,600 --> 05:09:37,670
to their

7198
05:09:37,680 --> 05:09:39,680
listen.

7199
05:09:39,680 --> 05:09:41,440
>> It's important.

7200
05:09:41,440 --> 05:09:43,520
>> Okay. So, while that's happening, I'm

7201
05:09:43,520 --> 05:09:45,600
going to put on deck the next one.

7202
05:09:45,600 --> 05:09:48,560
Again, uh we just finished one of the

7203
05:09:48,560 --> 05:09:50,080
disciplines that we needed to get

7204
05:09:50,080 --> 05:09:52,718
through. Um and we're going to go ahead

7205
05:09:52,718 --> 05:09:55,520
and switch to arts education and we have

7206
05:09:55,520 --> 05:09:57,200
two of those. We have Discovery Gateway

7207
05:09:57,200 --> 05:09:59,520
and SpyHop. Discovery Gateway. Um it's

7208
05:09:59,520 --> 05:10:01,760
all good. Uh for uh Spy Hop, we're just

7209
05:10:01,760 --> 05:10:04,638
going to ask um one more one more exit

7210
05:10:04,638 --> 05:10:07,680
from you. Great. And on tap, we do have

7211
05:10:07,680 --> 05:10:08,958
one whenever you're ready.

7212
05:10:08,958 --> 05:10:10,320
>> Hey, you have to get off of some of

7213
05:10:10,320 --> 05:10:12,000
these conflicts because you got too many

7214
05:10:12,000 --> 05:10:13,360
conflicts.

7215
05:10:13,360 --> 05:10:15,314
>> I Samantha that very question.

7216
05:10:15,314 --> 05:10:16,080
[laughter]

7217
05:10:16,080 --> 05:10:17,760
>> She said no. It's good.

7218
05:10:17,760 --> 05:10:19,120
>> It's Salt Lake City. We wouldn't have

7219
05:10:19,120 --> 05:10:21,120
anybody on our [laughter]

7220
05:10:21,120 --> 05:10:23,360
>> All right. I'm gonna apologize because

7221
05:10:23,360 --> 05:10:25,760
this is one of the ones we gave um a lot

7222
05:10:25,760 --> 05:10:27,760
of review and feedback to last year and

7223
05:10:27,760 --> 05:10:28,958
so I know you're gonna want a little

7224
05:10:28,958 --> 05:10:30,400
more time for those of us who

7225
05:10:30,400 --> 05:10:32,878
experienced this organization last year.

7226
05:10:32,878 --> 05:10:35,200
Um I will say I have to give them a

7227
05:10:35,200 --> 05:10:37,120
tremendous amount of credit because they

7228
05:10:37,120 --> 05:10:40,240
heard us and they responded in some very

7229
05:10:40,240 --> 05:10:42,320
strong ways. I would hope that you those

7230
05:10:42,320 --> 05:10:43,680
of you who have reviewed them more than

7231
05:10:43,680 --> 05:10:46,080
once even just got that sense that their

7232
05:10:46,080 --> 05:10:48,080
application shifted this year and

7233
05:10:48,080 --> 05:10:49,840
telling their story. I feel like they

7234
05:10:49,840 --> 05:10:52,240
did a much better job in trying to tell

7235
05:10:52,240 --> 05:10:55,200
their story this year. Um, they

7236
05:10:55,200 --> 05:10:58,878
definitely want to know what we need in

7237
05:10:58,878 --> 05:11:00,638
order for them to keep improving. So,

7238
05:11:00,638 --> 05:11:02,958
their thirst for support and knowledge

7239
05:11:02,958 --> 05:11:05,040
and resources, I think, has been quite

7240
05:11:05,040 --> 05:11:07,600
exceptional. Um, I put them through the

7241
05:11:07,600 --> 05:11:10,320
ringer. I not only um spent time with

7242
05:11:10,320 --> 05:11:11,840
their board, I made them schedule a

7243
05:11:11,840 --> 05:11:14,320
board meeting just for me to attend um

7244
05:11:14,320 --> 05:11:16,320
with their annual review the other day.

7245
05:11:16,320 --> 05:11:18,878
and they've got some great wonderful new

7246
05:11:18,878 --> 05:11:21,440
energy as well in their board. They had

7247
05:11:21,440 --> 05:11:24,160
adopted um I think a couple years ago an

7248
05:11:24,160 --> 05:11:26,718
advisory board they us call it like a

7249
05:11:26,718 --> 05:11:28,480
youth professional board. I think you

7250
05:11:28,480 --> 05:11:32,160
knew about that Andrea and um three of

7251
05:11:32,160 --> 05:11:34,080
those members have now promoted into

7252
05:11:34,080 --> 05:11:36,878
their board of trustees and so there's a

7253
05:11:36,878 --> 05:11:39,680
lot of fun energy there. Um I think

7254
05:11:39,680 --> 05:11:41,520
there in reference I wanted to sort of

7255
05:11:41,520 --> 05:11:43,600
address some of the comments that were

7256
05:11:43,600 --> 05:11:48,240
in the summary just to clarify. Um one I

7257
05:11:48,240 --> 05:11:50,400
really have to appreciate their u

7258
05:11:50,400 --> 05:11:52,320
museums for all in their museum

7259
05:11:52,320 --> 05:11:54,560
inclusion fund. The museum inclusion

7260
05:11:54,560 --> 05:11:58,878
fund grew by 50% this year in not just

7261
05:11:58,878 --> 05:12:01,840
partnership but in utilization because

7262
05:12:01,840 --> 05:12:03,840
if you guys knew the metrics I made

7263
05:12:03,840 --> 05:12:06,240
people provide me to for them to be

7264
05:12:06,240 --> 05:12:07,680
aware of their own organizational

7265
05:12:07,680 --> 05:12:09,040
strengths and weaknesses you'd be

7266
05:12:09,040 --> 05:12:11,120
shocked but the museum inclusion fund

7267
05:12:11,120 --> 05:12:12,878
was something they created so that like

7268
05:12:12,878 --> 05:12:14,638
whether it's the road home the Ronald

7269
05:12:14,638 --> 05:12:18,638
McDonald House um a ver it's 18 I

7270
05:12:18,638 --> 05:12:20,480
believe different organizations that

7271
05:12:20,480 --> 05:12:25,280
they give I think gets $45,000 worth of

7272
05:12:25,280 --> 05:12:27,120
free tickets to so that they can

7273
05:12:27,120 --> 05:12:29,120
disseminate those tickets through their

7274
05:12:29,120 --> 05:12:30,798
organizations

7275
05:12:30,798 --> 05:12:32,718
and then I was worried about what is the

7276
05:12:32,718 --> 05:12:34,320
redemption rate. So yeah, the redemption

7277
05:12:34,320 --> 05:12:36,958
rate was up 50% this year. It was I

7278
05:12:36,958 --> 05:12:40,320
believe 18 or $20,000 of the fund got

7279
05:12:40,320 --> 05:12:43,200
used that they set aside. So they are

7280
05:12:43,200 --> 05:12:44,718
looking like one of the things we've

7281
05:12:44,718 --> 05:12:46,480
been priding in is how are you reaching

7282
05:12:46,480 --> 05:12:48,638
in a grassroots way into the community

7283
05:12:48,638 --> 05:12:51,040
to get people into your space. They do

7284
05:12:51,040 --> 05:12:53,600
excel in pops as far as they get to

7285
05:12:53,600 --> 05:12:56,798
every school, right? Every year they do

7286
05:12:56,798 --> 05:13:02,400
a good job there, but um their financial

7287
05:13:02,400 --> 05:13:05,520
situation, they were without a CFO for

7288
05:13:05,520 --> 05:13:08,878
the 2025 cycle, and they hired somebody

7289
05:13:08,878 --> 05:13:11,360
this past year who I think is doing a

7290
05:13:11,360 --> 05:13:13,680
really good job at addressing a lot of

7291
05:13:13,680 --> 05:13:15,440
their concerns financially, and we're

7292
05:13:15,440 --> 05:13:18,560
seeing them hopefully come out of that

7293
05:13:18,560 --> 05:13:21,600
uh situation. Um

7294
05:13:21,600 --> 05:13:24,000
the you know what else did I have? I

7295
05:13:24,000 --> 05:13:25,280
there was something else that I wanted

7296
05:13:25,280 --> 05:13:27,040
to share with you and I'm so sorry if

7297
05:13:27,040 --> 05:13:28,798
you guys want to comment or ask a

7298
05:13:28,798 --> 05:13:29,440
question.

7299
05:13:29,440 --> 05:13:31,360
>> Replace the executive director.

7300
05:13:31,360 --> 05:13:34,718
>> No, Kathleen is still there and um I

7301
05:13:34,718 --> 05:13:37,360
think one of the things that has been

7302
05:13:37,360 --> 05:13:38,878
interesting is I do believe that there

7303
05:13:38,878 --> 05:13:40,958
was a lot of shift in staff over the

7304
05:13:40,958 --> 05:13:44,080
last couple years. I do think she is a

7305
05:13:44,080 --> 05:13:46,718
leader who it's sort of she's a very

7306
05:13:46,718 --> 05:13:48,958
strong visionary and I think people buy

7307
05:13:48,958 --> 05:13:52,958
into the game plan or they leave um the

7308
05:13:52,958 --> 05:13:55,040
game kind of thing. And so now they have

7309
05:13:55,040 --> 05:13:57,920
a lot of stability, a lot of um

7310
05:13:57,920 --> 05:14:00,560
congruity between the ED and the board

7311
05:14:00,560 --> 05:14:04,000
and the staff in their strategic plan.

7312
05:14:04,000 --> 05:14:07,600
Um they do have a lot of great ideas and

7313
05:14:07,600 --> 05:14:09,120
they're starting to invest in how to

7314
05:14:09,120 --> 05:14:10,718
bring more revenue into the

7315
05:14:10,718 --> 05:14:12,480
organization. So hopefully in the next

7316
05:14:12,480 --> 05:14:14,718
year they'll have their rooftop garden,

7317
05:14:14,718 --> 05:14:16,718
their children's garden in place and

7318
05:14:16,718 --> 05:14:19,360
they've got some really great um

7319
05:14:19,360 --> 05:14:21,760
momentum there with some wonderful

7320
05:14:21,760 --> 05:14:24,080
support from private contractors and in

7321
05:14:24,080 --> 05:14:26,638
kind donations to make that work. There

7322
05:14:26,638 --> 05:14:29,040
was a comment about like the elevator oh

7323
05:14:29,040 --> 05:14:31,360
with them being ahead in their 10-year

7324
05:14:31,360 --> 05:14:33,600
plan and that they were four years ahead

7325
05:14:33,600 --> 05:14:34,878
and getting all done. I would think the

7326
05:14:34,878 --> 05:14:36,320
elevator is a problem for Salt Lake

7327
05:14:36,320 --> 05:14:38,400
County. Not [laughter]

7328
05:14:38,400 --> 05:14:40,400
not the Discovery Gateway Children's

7329
05:14:40,400 --> 05:14:41,920
Museum. Yeah. I don't know. I'm just

7330
05:14:41,920 --> 05:14:43,120
throwing my hands up in the air, but

7331
05:14:43,120 --> 05:14:44,878
that sounds like a landlord problem more

7332
05:14:44,878 --> 05:14:46,240
than it sounds like

7333
05:14:46,240 --> 05:14:47,600
>> they're the one that we asked them to

7334
05:14:47,600 --> 05:14:49,120
come and meet with us, right?

7335
05:14:49,120 --> 05:14:50,560
>> They were one of them.

7336
05:14:50,560 --> 05:14:52,160
>> And did we give them a warning letter?

7337
05:14:52,160 --> 05:14:52,878
>> We did.

7338
05:14:52,878 --> 05:14:56,878
>> And so, Lynette, you think that they've

7339
05:14:56,878 --> 05:14:59,920
earned away from the warning? Yes. You

7340
05:14:59,920 --> 05:15:01,360
pleased with all the changes they made

7341
05:15:01,360 --> 05:15:01,760
for

7342
05:15:01,760 --> 05:15:05,120
>> I I am. I feel like they are a work in

7343
05:15:05,120 --> 05:15:09,120
progress. But the more we do to support

7344
05:15:09,120 --> 05:15:11,680
them understanding what our expectations

7345
05:15:11,680 --> 05:15:14,878
are of them, they are very willing and

7346
05:15:14,878 --> 05:15:19,680
ready to meet that, I was thanked many, times over for the challenges that

7347
05:15:19,680 --> 05:15:21,760
I provided them and the ways I asked

7348
05:15:21,760 --> 05:15:24,000
them to look at their organization and

7349
05:15:24,000 --> 05:15:26,160
what they needed to do to overcome some

7350
05:15:26,160 --> 05:15:28,878
of those challenges. Obviously, every

7351
05:15:28,878 --> 05:15:32,320
organization has um room for growth, but

7352
05:15:32,320 --> 05:15:35,520
I really did have to um congratulate

7353
05:15:35,520 --> 05:15:36,878
them on that. Um

7354
05:15:36,878 --> 05:15:38,718
>> it's good to hear. I think it's just as

7355
05:15:38,718 --> 05:15:40,798
a comment. I think it's important

7356
05:15:40,798 --> 05:15:42,160
especially those that we've been looking

7357
05:15:42,160 --> 05:15:45,280
for improvements. I appreciate Lynette's

7358
05:15:45,280 --> 05:15:46,878
confidence because otherwise I don't

7359
05:15:46,878 --> 05:15:49,440
really know because I have bias from

7360
05:15:49,440 --> 05:15:51,520
where we were with them last year. So,

7361
05:15:51,520 --> 05:15:53,360
>> and and I walked in with that bias,

7362
05:15:53,360 --> 05:15:56,240
right? And so I unfortunately you guys

7363
05:15:56,240 --> 05:15:57,920
have me having some of the hardest

7364
05:15:57,920 --> 05:15:59,680
organizations based on our previous

7365
05:15:59,680 --> 05:16:02,080
reviews. So you know that I went in

7366
05:16:02,080 --> 05:16:05,088
there sort of guns ablazing. Yeah.

7367
05:16:05,088 --> 05:16:06,638
[laughter]

7368
05:16:06,638 --> 05:16:08,480
Especially when this was my line of work

7369
05:16:08,480 --> 05:16:11,040
before I came to this board. Um so yeah,

7370
05:16:11,040 --> 05:16:12,638
I do feel really good that they're

7371
05:16:12,638 --> 05:16:16,958
headed in the right direction. Um but I

7372
05:16:16,958 --> 05:16:18,480
want to give

7373
05:16:18,480 --> 05:16:22,000
>> I gave them

7374
05:16:22,000 --> 05:16:25,030
um a 10.

7375
05:16:25,040 --> 05:16:27,280
But that's adequate for each time,

7376
05:16:27,280 --> 05:16:28,718
>> right?

7377
05:16:28,718 --> 05:16:29,040
>> Okay.

7378
05:16:29,040 --> 05:16:30,000
>> Yeah, because they're a work in

7379
05:16:30,000 --> 05:16:31,680
progress.

7380
05:16:31,680 --> 05:16:32,320
>> Okay.

7381
05:16:32,320 --> 05:16:32,878
>> Yeah.

7382
05:16:32,878 --> 05:16:34,160
>> Thank you.

7383
05:16:34,160 --> 05:16:36,400
>> I I reviewed them last year and I also

7384
05:16:36,400 --> 05:16:38,560
gave them a 10 this year.

7385
05:16:38,560 --> 05:16:39,360
>> I didn't.

7386
05:16:39,360 --> 05:16:40,718
>> Okay. But you said you're a more

7387
05:16:40,718 --> 05:16:43,040
generous reviewer than I am.

7388
05:16:43,040 --> 05:16:45,042
>> She's learning.

7389
05:16:45,042 --> 05:16:48,230
[laughter]

7390
05:16:48,240 --> 05:16:50,480
» I still have my biases.

7391
05:16:50,480 --> 05:16:54,000
>> Yeah. and and there they definitely

7392
05:16:54,000 --> 05:16:56,638
I hear you. Yeah, I hear you. And I

7393
05:16:56,638 --> 05:16:57,920
think that it's going to have to

7394
05:16:57,920 --> 05:17:00,798
continue to be worked. But

7395
05:17:00,798 --> 05:17:02,000
>> uh I'll share a couple comments because

7396
05:17:02,000 --> 05:17:03,040
I want to make sure we address things

7397
05:17:03,040 --> 05:17:04,798
from last year and I had conversations

7398
05:17:04,798 --> 05:17:06,480
with multiple board members before this

7399
05:17:06,480 --> 05:17:07,760
meeting on a couple things they wanted

7400
05:17:07,760 --> 05:17:09,360
to share. So I just want to be really

7401
05:17:09,360 --> 05:17:10,798
open about this so we make sure it's

7402
05:17:10,798 --> 05:17:13,840
addressed. Um, one of the issues, um,

7403
05:17:13,840 --> 05:17:15,280
was that the difference between

7404
05:17:15,280 --> 05:17:16,958
something being written down and said

7405
05:17:16,958 --> 05:17:19,200
and the actual action taking place was a

7406
05:17:19,200 --> 05:17:21,760
gap for y'all last year. Um, what they

7407
05:17:21,760 --> 05:17:24,160
said and and wrote and on their site

7408
05:17:24,160 --> 05:17:26,080
visit versus what was actually taking

7409
05:17:26,080 --> 05:17:28,878
place regarding exhibits being what you

7410
05:17:28,878 --> 05:17:30,560
want them to be and serving communities

7411
05:17:30,560 --> 05:17:32,240
you want them to. I don't know that was

7412
05:17:32,240 --> 05:17:33,680
talked about yet. Just a thought for

7413
05:17:33,680 --> 05:17:35,600
you. And the other one that was new for

7414
05:17:35,600 --> 05:17:38,000
me this year that you shared was your

7415
05:17:38,000 --> 05:17:41,360
concern around um the discipline um that

7416
05:17:41,360 --> 05:17:45,200
the arts education or uh anything beyond

7417
05:17:45,200 --> 05:17:47,600
STEM was hard for y'all to get your

7418
05:17:47,600 --> 05:17:50,400
minds wrapped around. Um and so maybe

7419
05:17:50,400 --> 05:17:52,240
understanding more of those areas might

7420
05:17:52,240 --> 05:17:52,878
be helpful.

7421
05:17:52,878 --> 05:17:54,560
>> And I did mean to address that or

7422
05:17:54,560 --> 05:17:56,560
Samantha. Yes, because I was at their

7423
05:17:56,560 --> 05:17:57,760
board. They didn't have this board

7424
05:17:57,760 --> 05:17:59,280
meeting until just Monday because like I

7425
05:17:59,280 --> 05:18:01,600
said, I forced them into scheduling a

7426
05:18:01,600 --> 05:18:06,160
meeting. But um they more [laughter]

7427
05:18:06,160 --> 05:18:08,718
but anyway, so they do I did ask them

7428
05:18:08,718 --> 05:18:10,798
upfront. I said, "Tell me about in which

7429
05:18:10,798 --> 05:18:13,360
ways you incorporate art into all of

7430
05:18:13,360 --> 05:18:15,200
your educational programming because I

7431
05:18:15,200 --> 05:18:17,280
know they have the dedicated art studio

7432
05:18:17,280 --> 05:18:18,958
downstairs where they have the art

7433
05:18:18,958 --> 05:18:21,360
teachers and that's great." And they

7434
05:18:21,360 --> 05:18:24,718
said honestly when it comes to their

7435
05:18:24,718 --> 05:18:27,280
going out to their school programs, most

7436
05:18:27,280 --> 05:18:29,200
of it is going to be more related to

7437
05:18:29,200 --> 05:18:31,840
science than arts education. And that

7438
05:18:31,840 --> 05:18:34,240
they are looking at ways of bringing

7439
05:18:34,240 --> 05:18:35,760
that in. And I know this is going to be

7440
05:18:35,760 --> 05:18:37,280
next year's application, but for

7441
05:18:37,280 --> 05:18:39,280
example, they're trying to get funding

7442
05:18:39,280 --> 05:18:43,040
for an artist and residency um program

7443
05:18:43,040 --> 05:18:44,798
funded so that they can have an artist

7444
05:18:44,798 --> 05:18:47,040
on site and they have a particular

7445
05:18:47,040 --> 05:18:49,120
program in mind related to that. So,

7446
05:18:49,120 --> 05:18:51,040
they do have ideas in mind and are

7447
05:18:51,040 --> 05:18:53,120
looking for particular funding and

7448
05:18:53,120 --> 05:18:55,760
resourcing to bring more art into the

7449
05:18:55,760 --> 05:18:58,638
museum itself. How that will change and

7450
05:18:58,638 --> 05:19:00,798
what they do in their their school

7451
05:19:00,798 --> 05:19:02,958
programming, I'm not familiar with

7452
05:19:02,958 --> 05:19:06,000
anything on tap for that. Doesn't mean

7453
05:19:06,000 --> 05:19:07,600
it doesn't exist. I'm just not familiar

7454
05:19:07,600 --> 05:19:08,000
with it.

7455
05:19:08,000 --> 05:19:10,160
>> Anybody have arts education?

7456
05:19:10,160 --> 05:19:12,878
>> They do have a particular arts studio

7457
05:19:12,878 --> 05:19:15,120
that they have. When I was I've been

7458
05:19:15,120 --> 05:19:16,638
there three times and it's always been

7459
05:19:16,638 --> 05:19:19,200
staffed. This is where I come out with

7460
05:19:19,200 --> 05:19:21,600
it being a discipline. You go through

7461
05:19:21,600 --> 05:19:24,400
their programs and it's about at the bus

7462
05:19:24,400 --> 05:19:27,840
stop for traveling. It is not at it's

7463
05:19:27,840 --> 05:19:29,440
multidisciplinary.

7464
05:19:29,440 --> 05:19:32,400
I would go for that. But as far as their

7465
05:19:32,400 --> 05:19:35,680
primary mission being arts education

7466
05:19:35,680 --> 05:19:38,878
they are using art to support

7467
05:19:38,878 --> 05:19:39,600
>> yes

7468
05:19:39,600 --> 05:19:42,798
>> their their other programs. But if I

7469
05:19:42,798 --> 05:19:44,798
were to look at it and say this is

7470
05:19:44,798 --> 05:19:47,360
somehow an arts ed program, they are

7471
05:19:47,360 --> 05:19:50,000
using arts education but their main

7472
05:19:50,000 --> 05:19:52,878
mission is just discovering these other

7473
05:19:52,878 --> 05:19:56,160
things. And so I just wondered if as as

7474
05:19:56,160 --> 05:19:59,040
a discipline or looking at it to say

7475
05:19:59,040 --> 05:20:00,480
multi-disiplinary.

7476
05:20:00,480 --> 05:20:02,240
>> Well, they did write us and ask for

7477
05:20:02,240 --> 05:20:04,080
multi-disipline but we couldn't identify

7478
05:20:04,080 --> 05:20:05,600
two disciplines and arts that they fit

7479
05:20:05,600 --> 05:20:08,080
into that Zap Zap approved. Right. But

7480
05:20:08,080 --> 05:20:11,520
not are I mean because they are STEM and

7481
05:20:11,520 --> 05:20:14,718
steep. I mean if you look at they

7482
05:20:14,718 --> 05:20:17,600
>> but they they still primarily what

7483
05:20:17,600 --> 05:20:20,000
they're doing there's that social

7484
05:20:20,000 --> 05:20:22,718
aspect. So they are using art to tell a

7485
05:20:22,718 --> 05:20:25,280
story like I can use science to tell

7486
05:20:25,280 --> 05:20:29,280
story about photographs in my museum but

7487
05:20:29,280 --> 05:20:31,040
that doesn't make me a science museum.

7488
05:20:31,040 --> 05:20:32,560
>> Do you think you have some a couple of

7489
05:20:32,560 --> 05:20:34,080
the ZAP approved disciplines you'd

7490
05:20:34,080 --> 05:20:35,520
recommend that they could apply because

7491
05:20:35,520 --> 05:20:37,440
we'd have to find two or more. Yeah, let

7492
05:20:37,440 --> 05:20:39,440
me go just maybe that make a

7493
05:20:39,440 --> 05:20:41,040
conversation for next year's helping

7494
05:20:41,040 --> 05:20:42,480
like you said but you're all saying

7495
05:20:42,480 --> 05:20:43,760
right now that you want to help support

7496
05:20:43,760 --> 05:20:46,718
them and they should put in a better

7497
05:20:46,718 --> 05:20:48,718
>> multi-disiplinary. They did do that but

7498
05:20:48,718 --> 05:20:49,920
we couldn't find what [clears throat] we

7499
05:20:49,920 --> 05:20:52,480
didn't you've done the review you know

7500
05:20:52,480 --> 05:20:54,240
this airspace and so maybe you could go

7501
05:20:54,240 --> 05:20:56,000
chat with them about the best ways and

7502
05:20:56,000 --> 05:20:57,200
so then when you review it next year you

7503
05:20:57,200 --> 05:20:58,400
feel like you're reviewing it for the

7504
05:20:58,400 --> 05:21:00,480
right um aspects of their main

7505
05:21:00,480 --> 05:21:02,560
discipline. How's that? can because I

7506
05:21:02,560 --> 05:21:03,760
think some of the great stuff they're

7507
05:21:03,760 --> 05:21:05,680
doing those other things if they're

7508
05:21:05,680 --> 05:21:08,400
perceived as an arts discipline the arts

7509
05:21:08,400 --> 05:21:10,798
grants are going to challenge that where

7510
05:21:10,798 --> 05:21:14,320
we can say oh if it's a stem esteem kind

7511
05:21:14,320 --> 05:21:16,718
of thing and it's not just art I think

7512
05:21:16,718 --> 05:21:19,120
it'll be better luck for them getting

7513
05:21:19,120 --> 05:21:20,080
some of these grants

7514
05:21:20,080 --> 05:21:20,798
>> yeah okay

7515
05:21:20,798 --> 05:21:23,520
>> definitely with Rita's expertise that

7516
05:21:23,520 --> 05:21:24,560
would be more

7517
05:21:24,560 --> 05:21:26,080
>> good for me

7518
05:21:26,080 --> 05:21:27,520
>> can we close the discussion and

7519
05:21:27,520 --> 05:21:28,560
discovery

7520
05:21:28,560 --> 05:21:30,160
>> make their adjustments or any comments

7521
05:21:30,160 --> 05:21:31,920
fixed force changed.

7522
05:21:31,920 --> 05:21:33,600
>> Are we ready to move on?

7523
05:21:33,600 --> 05:21:35,920
>> We've got four more. No, we got more

7524
05:21:35,920 --> 05:21:36,320
than that.

7525
05:21:36,320 --> 05:21:38,400
>> We have nine more organizations. And if

7526
05:21:38,400 --> 05:21:40,958
you want to get out on time, I suggest

7527
05:21:40,958 --> 05:21:42,000
that you hurry up.

7528
05:21:42,000 --> 05:21:43,280
>> I know. We also want to [laughter] be

7529
05:21:43,280 --> 05:21:48,150
thorough and when we have people

7530
05:21:48,160 --> 05:21:50,320
do the quick three minute version on

7531
05:21:50,320 --> 05:21:52,878
SpyHop, but I will tell you it was my

7532
05:21:52,878 --> 05:21:54,480
highest rank.

7533
05:21:54,480 --> 05:21:56,240
>> Just one second. Just one second. Sorry.

7534
05:21:56,240 --> 05:21:57,680
>> Oh,

7535
05:21:57,680 --> 05:22:00,080
>> I didn't hear that. Oh, [laughter]

7536
05:22:00,080 --> 05:22:03,280
sorry. Goodbye. I forgot we

7537
05:22:03,280 --> 05:22:05,680
>> When you refuse, you still score.

7538
05:22:05,680 --> 05:22:07,120
>> She doesn't score. She doesn't add to

7539
05:22:07,120 --> 05:22:10,240
the conversation. She doesn't anything.

7540
05:22:10,240 --> 05:22:13,520
>> Yeah. And so this was my highest. I gave

7541
05:22:13,520 --> 05:22:17,040
them a 15. And some of the things that

7542
05:22:17,040 --> 05:22:20,000
really stood out for me uh both in my

7543
05:22:20,000 --> 05:22:21,520
visits there and going through the

7544
05:22:21,520 --> 05:22:23,600
application, what I saw in the

7545
05:22:23,600 --> 05:22:26,638
application was what I went through

7546
05:22:26,638 --> 05:22:29,280
experiencing there. The main thing that

7547
05:22:29,280 --> 05:22:32,320
I see them standing out is not only are

7548
05:22:32,320 --> 05:22:35,200
they youth centric in their programming,

7549
05:22:35,200 --> 05:22:37,680
they are youth centric in their use of

7550
05:22:37,680 --> 05:22:40,480
space, the way they get kids in there

7551
05:22:40,480 --> 05:22:42,080
doing things. I went to their

7552
05:22:42,080 --> 05:22:44,320
presentation, they they didn't have a

7553
05:22:44,320 --> 05:22:46,320
space to show their films, so I went

7554
05:22:46,320 --> 05:22:49,760
over to see the films. Um, but I've

7555
05:22:49,760 --> 05:22:53,680
never seen any organization that is so

7556
05:22:53,680 --> 05:22:56,000
kid- centric from what they have for the

7557
05:22:56,000 --> 05:22:58,798
snacks for the kids, for the spaces they

7558
05:22:58,798 --> 05:23:02,480
sit in, they engage in, and everyone

7559
05:23:02,480 --> 05:23:04,480
everywhere I went, I was talking to

7560
05:23:04,480 --> 05:23:07,040
youth. There were staff members, but the

7561
05:23:07,040 --> 05:23:08,878
youth were telling me about their

7562
05:23:08,878 --> 05:23:12,080
experiences, what it did for them to be

7563
05:23:12,080 --> 05:23:14,400
able to put their thoughts, their minds

7564
05:23:14,400 --> 05:23:17,200
in a film that people actually came to

7565
05:23:17,200 --> 05:23:20,400
see. Couple of questions that were there

7566
05:23:20,400 --> 05:23:23,040
were about some of the volunteers and

7567
05:23:23,040 --> 05:23:25,120
things. They have had Sundance volunteer

7568
05:23:25,120 --> 05:23:27,840
help, but they're rebuilding their

7569
05:23:27,840 --> 05:23:31,040
volunteer offerings. Um, but everything

7570
05:23:31,040 --> 05:23:33,600
they've done, diversity, youth and care,

7571
05:23:33,600 --> 05:23:36,798
working with foster kids, um, they they

7572
05:23:36,798 --> 05:23:39,120
just cover every tick box for me of

7573
05:23:39,120 --> 05:23:41,440
being a real community partner where

7574
05:23:41,440 --> 05:23:44,160
they haven't been out in the community,

7575
05:23:44,160 --> 05:23:46,320
they're bringing them into the space.

7576
05:23:46,320 --> 05:23:47,920
So, that's something I think to have

7577
05:23:47,920 --> 05:23:50,240
them continue to work on is how can they

7578
05:23:50,240 --> 05:23:53,200
get funding that can actually get out to

7579
05:23:53,200 --> 05:23:55,040
more of these spaces in the county.

7580
05:23:55,040 --> 05:23:56,798
>> I think they figured out how to get

7581
05:23:56,798 --> 05:23:59,440
kids. So this is basically junior high

7582
05:23:59,440 --> 05:24:01,280
and high school age kids, right? And

7583
05:24:01,280 --> 05:24:01,680
they

7584
05:24:01,680 --> 05:24:03,680
>> through 25. I mean it's

7585
05:24:03,680 --> 05:24:05,280
>> and they have figured out how to bring

7586
05:24:05,280 --> 05:24:07,840
kids to their facility from all the

7587
05:24:07,840 --> 05:24:09,520
count side.

7588
05:24:09,520 --> 05:24:09,840
>> Yeah.

7589
05:24:09,840 --> 05:24:10,718
>> Oh, the east side.

7590
05:24:10,718 --> 05:24:12,798
>> They're I actually scored them lower

7591
05:24:12,798 --> 05:24:14,320
this year than I did last year even

7592
05:24:14,320 --> 05:24:16,718
though I visited them with Rita only

7593
05:24:16,718 --> 05:24:19,440
because of geographical reach that

7594
05:24:19,440 --> 05:24:21,040
became a greater reality to me. The

7595
05:24:21,040 --> 05:24:24,000
quality of their programming is

7596
05:24:24,000 --> 05:24:26,160
outstanding. Like it's unrivaled, right,

7597
05:24:26,160 --> 05:24:27,920
with what they're doing is the way Rita

7598
05:24:27,920 --> 05:24:30,240
described it. But it because then I was

7599
05:24:30,240 --> 05:24:32,160
there living it. All I could do was be

7600
05:24:32,160 --> 05:24:33,760
disappointed for the number of people

7601
05:24:33,760 --> 05:24:36,160
who don't have access to it. And so

7602
05:24:36,160 --> 05:24:38,000
that's why my score actually dropped

7603
05:24:38,000 --> 05:24:40,480
this year in comparison to

7604
05:24:40,480 --> 05:24:41,760
>> they don't because I thought that they

7605
05:24:41,760 --> 05:24:44,000
were geared I thought they were so when

7606
05:24:44,000 --> 05:24:47,200
I visited them again years ago already

7607
05:24:47,200 --> 05:24:49,040
they you know they were reaching out to

7608
05:24:49,040 --> 05:24:50,958
kids. they couldn't find programs in

7609
05:24:50,958 --> 05:24:51,680
their school

7610
05:24:51,680 --> 05:24:52,638
>> central night

7611
05:24:52,638 --> 05:24:54,798
>> and that they were coming here and I

7612
05:24:54,798 --> 05:24:56,560
thought that they had some means for

7613
05:24:56,560 --> 05:24:58,638
those kids to get there

7614
05:24:58,638 --> 05:24:59,840
>> or maybe they're using

7615
05:24:59,840 --> 05:25:01,760
>> I think maybe when they went to the

7616
05:25:01,760 --> 05:25:04,718
exclusively free programming model maybe

7617
05:25:04,718 --> 05:25:06,958
they just didn't have enough resources

7618
05:25:06,958 --> 05:25:08,718
to keep doing some of the things that

7619
05:25:08,718 --> 05:25:10,798
they were doing before when they were

7620
05:25:10,798 --> 05:25:13,520
generating some revenue but now like

7621
05:25:13,520 --> 05:25:15,440
even the snacks are free right like

7622
05:25:15,440 --> 05:25:17,280
everything about their programming is at

7623
05:25:17,280 --> 05:25:20,400
no cost which is again They're so

7624
05:25:20,400 --> 05:25:24,400
remarkable. It's just how to get them.

7625
05:25:24,400 --> 05:25:24,798
>> Yeah.

7626
05:25:24,798 --> 05:25:26,878
>> To get more kids from around.

7627
05:25:26,878 --> 05:25:29,120
>> Did you get a sense from their hear

7628
05:25:29,120 --> 05:25:31,440
about 10 year strategic plan to invest

7629
05:25:31,440 --> 05:25:33,200
in unlock human potential?

7630
05:25:33,200 --> 05:25:35,200
>> They are building. They've got a phase 2

7631
05:25:35,200 --> 05:25:37,040
program where they actually take the

7632
05:25:37,040 --> 05:25:39,200
students they've been doing, mentor them

7633
05:25:39,200 --> 05:25:41,760
into the next level. So they get money

7634
05:25:41,760 --> 05:25:44,400
from that and the kids start to have

7635
05:25:44,400 --> 05:25:46,798
that professional experience and then

7636
05:25:46,798 --> 05:25:49,600
they network on with them as they become

7637
05:25:49,600 --> 05:25:51,120
alumni and that's a big part

7638
05:25:51,120 --> 05:25:53,280
>> I just wanted to do the broader

7639
05:25:53,280 --> 05:25:53,920
representation.

7640
05:25:53,920 --> 05:25:55,440
>> Well and it was interesting because the

7641
05:25:55,440 --> 05:25:57,680
kids when I went back there the kids

7642
05:25:57,680 --> 05:25:59,600
wandering in from the community were

7643
05:25:59,600 --> 05:26:01,440
different than the ones that were coming

7644
05:26:01,440 --> 05:26:03,520
in. So there were a lot of local kids

7645
05:26:03,520 --> 05:26:06,400
that kind of used it as a youth center

7646
05:26:06,400 --> 05:26:09,520
with kids of learning whatever.

7647
05:26:09,520 --> 05:26:11,200
>> I think they've got a decent alumni

7648
05:26:11,200 --> 05:26:13,120
network too of people that graduate. And

7649
05:26:13,120 --> 05:26:15,440
I wanted to comment that on two of the

7650
05:26:15,440 --> 05:26:17,440
reviews this year, Utah Arts Festival

7651
05:26:17,440 --> 05:26:19,280
and the Utah Film Center,

7652
05:26:19,280 --> 05:26:21,200
>> they are actively collaborating with one

7653
05:26:21,200 --> 05:26:22,400
another that the

7654
05:26:22,400 --> 05:26:24,240
>> the Utah Film Center, their kids are

7655
05:26:24,240 --> 05:26:26,560
graduating to the film center, you know,

7656
05:26:26,560 --> 05:26:28,878
to continue their film making journey.

7657
05:26:28,878 --> 05:26:31,440
And then the Utah Arts Festival has co

7658
05:26:31,440 --> 05:26:34,320
has uh and they're not just film, they

7659
05:26:34,320 --> 05:26:35,840
do music and they do a whole bunch of

7660
05:26:35,840 --> 05:26:38,480
different media. Um Utah Arts Festival

7661
05:26:38,480 --> 05:26:40,958
featured SpyHop people at their event

7662
05:26:40,958 --> 05:26:43,360
this year too. And I think that's a good

7663
05:26:43,360 --> 05:26:45,360
sign of collaboration.

7664
05:26:45,360 --> 05:26:46,878
>> Be one of the recommendations then to

7665
05:26:46,878 --> 05:26:48,560
try to get broader district

7666
05:26:48,560 --> 05:26:50,320
representation through maybe their

7667
05:26:50,320 --> 05:26:52,240
strategic planning and impact.

7668
05:26:52,240 --> 05:26:53,840
>> Yeah, I think so.

7669
05:26:53,840 --> 05:26:56,480
>> Outreach. I I you know I I thought that

7670
05:26:56,480 --> 05:26:58,080
they were doing more to get these high

7671
05:26:58,080 --> 05:27:00,560
school age kids to to their downtown

7672
05:27:00,560 --> 05:27:02,958
location from other parts of this

7673
05:27:02,958 --> 05:27:03,520
county. But

7674
05:27:03,520 --> 05:27:04,958
>> well again it's just it comes from the

7675
05:27:04,958 --> 05:27:06,560
top down, right? So I made the note of

7676
05:27:06,560 --> 05:27:08,160
the board of directors is comprised of

7677
05:27:08,160 --> 05:27:10,080
15 members all representing districts

7678
05:27:10,080 --> 05:27:11,760
one and four. This sets an immediate

7679
05:27:11,760 --> 05:27:13,440
geographic preference for programming

7680
05:27:13,440 --> 05:27:16,320
and community outreach. It just does.

7681
05:27:16,320 --> 05:27:16,638
Yeah.

7682
05:27:16,638 --> 05:27:17,760
>> Right.

7683
05:27:17,760 --> 05:27:19,040
>> Because they don't get to talk about it

7684
05:27:19,040 --> 05:27:20,718
in other districts. So nobody knows.

7685
05:27:20,718 --> 05:27:22,878
Other thing is with their board as I

7686
05:27:22,878 --> 05:27:25,360
went back through their board

7687
05:27:25,360 --> 05:27:27,520
>> they are professionals working in the

7688
05:27:27,520 --> 05:27:31,440
field who are of necessity closer to the

7689
05:27:31,440 --> 05:27:32,958
heart of Salt Lake and so I think

7690
05:27:32,958 --> 05:27:34,958
there's a dis there yeah they're

7691
05:27:34,958 --> 05:27:37,280
specialized people that they need to

7692
05:27:37,280 --> 05:27:40,878
mentor the kids and a lot of them are

7693
05:27:40,878 --> 05:27:43,040
working closer to Salt Lake and I'm not

7694
05:27:43,040 --> 05:27:45,120
sure how we

7695
05:27:45,120 --> 05:27:47,680
you know recommend bringing outside

7696
05:27:47,680 --> 05:27:49,120
professionals that are either going to

7697
05:27:49,120 --> 05:27:51,200
be down close Sundance was

7698
05:27:51,200 --> 05:27:52,558
>> you just need people who are community

7699
05:27:52,558 --> 05:27:54,400
engagement specialists in some way or

7700
05:27:54,400 --> 05:27:55,760
another, right? Like when we had the art

7701
05:27:55,760 --> 05:27:57,600
selection committee for this facility, I

7702
05:27:57,600 --> 05:27:59,120
was on the art selection committee and I

7703
05:27:59,120 --> 05:28:01,360
have zero art true art experience,

7704
05:28:01,360 --> 05:28:03,360
right? But my community background is

7705
05:28:03,360 --> 05:28:05,760
what made our whole committee decide on

7706
05:28:05,760 --> 05:28:07,200
what art actually went into this

7707
05:28:07,200 --> 05:28:08,480
building.

7708
05:28:08,480 --> 05:28:11,760
>> It was my feedback, right, that helped

7709
05:28:11,760 --> 05:28:14,000
>> evolutionize that conversation. So

7710
05:28:14,000 --> 05:28:16,080
that's what they're missing is that

7711
05:28:16,080 --> 05:28:18,240
grassroots connection into these other

7712
05:28:18,240 --> 05:28:19,920
spaces. We love that they had those

7713
05:28:19,920 --> 05:28:21,040
professionals, but

7714
05:28:21,040 --> 05:28:23,520
>> but like I'm just saying listening to

7715
05:28:23,520 --> 05:28:27,360
the seeing all the variety there was

7716
05:28:27,360 --> 05:28:30,240
just um like this is

7717
05:28:30,240 --> 05:28:31,680
>> what was your score?

7718
05:28:31,680 --> 05:28:36,480
>> My score is 15 and I

7719
05:28:36,480 --> 05:28:38,160
>> people want to adjust their scores and

7720
05:28:38,160 --> 05:28:40,558
we'll move on to the next one.

7721
05:28:40,558 --> 05:28:42,718
>> She's

7722
05:28:42,718 --> 05:28:43,920
hail.

7723
05:28:43,920 --> 05:28:45,200
>> Do we want to try to get through the

7724
05:28:45,200 --> 05:28:46,558
next three before we take a break or do

7725
05:28:46,558 --> 05:28:47,840
we need a break? Let's go through the

7726
05:28:47,840 --> 05:28:49,280
next three.

7727
05:28:49,280 --> 05:28:50,480
>> Okay, that sounds good.

7728
05:28:50,480 --> 05:28:52,798
>> Okay, let me pull it

7729
05:28:52,798 --> 05:28:53,680
to my ear.

7730
05:28:53,680 --> 05:28:56,000
>> Just anything that you need to adjust in

7731
05:28:56,000 --> 05:28:58,878
the system. We got your comments and

7732
05:28:58,878 --> 05:29:00,638
then it looks like it's hail.

7733
05:29:00,638 --> 05:29:01,760
>> Yeah, right.

7734
05:29:01,760 --> 05:29:03,360
>> Yep.

7735
05:29:03,360 --> 05:29:04,638
>> Hail to hail.

7736
05:29:04,638 --> 05:29:06,512
>> Um, okay. Well, obviously

7737
05:29:06,512 --> 05:29:07,440
[clears throat] Hail does something

7738
05:29:07,440 --> 05:29:09,280
that's just so extraordinary in the

7739
05:29:09,280 --> 05:29:11,040
state and nationwide, right, at their

7740
05:29:11,040 --> 05:29:13,200
theater with what the the the caliber of

7741
05:29:13,200 --> 05:29:15,200
their performances are unrivaled.

7742
05:29:15,200 --> 05:29:16,718
when we were talking about

7743
05:29:16,718 --> 05:29:19,360
that really high capacity of attendance,

7744
05:29:19,360 --> 05:29:22,638
97% of their seats are sold, right? Um,

7745
05:29:22,638 --> 05:29:25,920
so the question is, is that capacity

7746
05:29:25,920 --> 05:29:28,558
fabulous or are we losing opportunities

7747
05:29:28,558 --> 05:29:30,400
again to be bringing more people into

7748
05:29:30,400 --> 05:29:32,798
the facility because it's already in a

7749
05:29:32,798 --> 05:29:35,840
revenue generating state. I have to give

7750
05:29:35,840 --> 05:29:37,360
them a ton of credit. Again, I went in

7751
05:29:37,360 --> 05:29:40,480
there guns ablazing and they produced

7752
05:29:40,480 --> 05:29:41,840
more and more and more and more

7753
05:29:41,840 --> 05:29:44,958
documents and metrics for me. um which

7754
05:29:44,958 --> 05:29:46,878
they were grateful for because it helped

7755
05:29:46,878 --> 05:29:48,718
self-inform their decisions for the

7756
05:29:48,718 --> 05:29:51,920
future. But last year, you know, we all

7757
05:29:51,920 --> 05:29:53,520
had a bit of a moment where we're like,

7758
05:29:53,520 --> 05:29:56,000
"Oh my gosh, they have so much revenue.

7759
05:29:56,000 --> 05:29:58,320
They have so much capacity to generate

7760
05:29:58,320 --> 05:30:00,240
um private found funding." And then this

7761
05:30:00,240 --> 05:30:01,920
year when they paid off their building,

7762
05:30:01,920 --> 05:30:03,840
the number one question is how is that

7763
05:30:03,840 --> 05:30:06,400
money going to be reappropriated? Their

7764
05:30:06,400 --> 05:30:09,280
two goals for this year were to increase

7765
05:30:09,280 --> 05:30:12,160
their reserves and to uh promote their

7766
05:30:12,160 --> 05:30:15,280
education. So they feel that they're

7767
05:30:15,280 --> 05:30:18,480
basically going to be using the money

7768
05:30:18,480 --> 05:30:21,520
that would have been uh maybe used in a

7769
05:30:21,520 --> 05:30:23,040
payment before which they said it wasn't

7770
05:30:23,040 --> 05:30:25,200
really it was dividends from other

7771
05:30:25,200 --> 05:30:26,558
investments that was making that

7772
05:30:26,558 --> 05:30:28,718
payment. They that's where they're

7773
05:30:28,718 --> 05:30:30,000
saying that money was. So they don't

7774
05:30:30,000 --> 05:30:31,680
feel it needs to be reappropriated

7775
05:30:31,680 --> 05:30:33,840
anywhere but into additional reserves or

7776
05:30:33,840 --> 05:30:35,920
other investments for themselves. But

7777
05:30:35,920 --> 05:30:37,920
the education is where I really struggle

7778
05:30:37,920 --> 05:30:39,600
because I've always given them a really

7779
05:30:39,600 --> 05:30:42,160
hard time that they don't rival our POPS

7780
05:30:42,160 --> 05:30:44,240
organizations not knowing the difference

7781
05:30:44,240 --> 05:30:46,798
and what those resources were um and

7782
05:30:46,798 --> 05:30:48,320
their capacity to reach into the

7783
05:30:48,320 --> 05:30:51,760
community. So they do I believe it's 16

7784
05:30:51,760 --> 05:30:55,040
matineese a year um where people can

7785
05:30:55,040 --> 05:30:57,360
come in first you know first come first

7786
05:30:57,360 --> 05:30:59,440
serve teachers can bring for whole

7787
05:30:59,440 --> 05:31:01,760
schools homeschoolers the number of

7788
05:31:01,760 --> 05:31:03,520
homeschoolers that go to those free

7789
05:31:03,520 --> 05:31:06,320
matineese at health center theater uh um

7790
05:31:06,320 --> 05:31:09,120
are outrageous so it is thousands of

7791
05:31:09,120 --> 05:31:12,320
kids are coming to those free matineese

7792
05:31:12,320 --> 05:31:15,600
um however the system is set up that it

7793
05:31:15,600 --> 05:31:17,920
is first come first serve and so unless

7794
05:31:17,920 --> 05:31:20,080
you already know about the system, you

7795
05:31:20,080 --> 05:31:22,480
have no chance of being in the system.

7796
05:31:22,480 --> 05:31:24,558
The only thing that provides any equity

7797
05:31:24,558 --> 05:31:26,480
in it is that if you came last year, you

7798
05:31:26,480 --> 05:31:29,840
can't come this year. Um, but that does

7799
05:31:29,840 --> 05:31:32,320
not there's nothing intentional then

7800
05:31:32,320 --> 05:31:35,040
about how they are trying to serve the

7801
05:31:35,040 --> 05:31:37,120
county at large based on that system.

7802
05:31:37,120 --> 05:31:38,480
And so now that they're aware of it, I'm

7803
05:31:38,480 --> 05:31:40,878
hoping next year we will see some

7804
05:31:40,878 --> 05:31:43,280
opportunities there. Um, the other thing

7805
05:31:43,280 --> 05:31:46,160
related to education, I did go to a

7806
05:31:46,160 --> 05:31:47,680
school in West Valley where they were

7807
05:31:47,680 --> 05:31:49,600
doing their storyw weavers program and

7808
05:31:49,600 --> 05:31:52,000
it's so fun to see the kindergarteners

7809
05:31:52,000 --> 05:31:55,760
and the fifth graders uh do the story.

7810
05:31:55,760 --> 05:31:57,440
Did you actually go to a story weavers

7811
05:31:57,440 --> 05:31:58,958
in the school?

7812
05:31:58,958 --> 05:32:01,440
>> Um, and I needed to do that because I

7813
05:32:01,440 --> 05:32:04,638
wanted to see in a community that I felt

7814
05:32:04,638 --> 05:32:06,878
needed the most support this way and

7815
05:32:06,878 --> 05:32:08,400
probably would never have access to the

7816
05:32:08,400 --> 05:32:10,558
theater itself. Those storyw weavers

7817
05:32:10,558 --> 05:32:13,120
professionals were so amazing and they

7818
05:32:13,120 --> 05:32:15,600
really gave me the whole lowdown right

7819
05:32:15,600 --> 05:32:17,920
on what they needed and supplemental.

7820
05:32:17,920 --> 05:32:20,400
>> Do they take the kids through a story?

7821
05:32:20,400 --> 05:32:23,440
>> So the artistic director at Hell Center

7822
05:32:23,440 --> 05:32:26,718
Theater writes a little musical um for

7823
05:32:26,718 --> 05:32:28,558
them to perform. It's about a 20-minute

7824
05:32:28,558 --> 05:32:30,400
performance and then they go through a

7825
05:32:30,400 --> 05:32:33,040
lot of Q&A and engagement with the kids

7826
05:32:33,040 --> 05:32:36,480
for it's like a 45 minute total time

7827
05:32:36,480 --> 05:32:39,360
frame. Last year though, storyw weavers

7828
05:32:39,360 --> 05:32:42,320
only went to 37 schools, 20 of them

7829
05:32:42,320 --> 05:32:44,558
being in Salt Lake County. So they have

7830
05:32:44,558 --> 05:32:46,638
this huge overhead that their artistic

7831
05:32:46,638 --> 05:32:49,040
director every single year writes the

7832
05:32:49,040 --> 05:32:50,718
show. They have their professional

7833
05:32:50,718 --> 05:32:54,160
performers perform the show. Um and they

7834
05:32:54,160 --> 05:32:57,040
do give this the performance for free at

7835
05:32:57,040 --> 05:32:59,440
title one schools and then other schools

7836
05:32:59,440 --> 05:33:01,840
are charged up to $250 for the

7837
05:33:01,840 --> 05:33:05,120
performance. But with their capacity to

7838
05:33:05,120 --> 05:33:07,120
fund raise and the amount of revenue

7839
05:33:07,120 --> 05:33:09,200
they have and revenue coming from us

7840
05:33:09,200 --> 05:33:11,440
that we want to see a direct correlation

7841
05:33:11,440 --> 05:33:13,600
to how is it benefiting the entire

7842
05:33:13,600 --> 05:33:17,120
community. The lack of number of

7843
05:33:17,120 --> 05:33:19,440
performances by the story weavers I feel

7844
05:33:19,440 --> 05:33:23,200
is a tremendous window of opportunity to

7845
05:33:23,200 --> 05:33:26,320
access the the county at large, right?

7846
05:33:26,320 --> 05:33:29,360
If they really did make an investment um

7847
05:33:29,360 --> 05:33:31,440
and making that happen. So building

7848
05:33:31,440 --> 05:33:33,200
those relationships is tough, finding

7849
05:33:33,200 --> 05:33:35,040
those people, how to access those

7850
05:33:35,040 --> 05:33:38,638
places, but the way the health center

7851
05:33:38,638 --> 05:33:41,600
theater, their administrative

7852
05:33:41,600 --> 05:33:44,480
focus and their ability to get

7853
05:33:44,480 --> 05:33:47,280
information and write a report and get

7854
05:33:47,280 --> 05:33:50,638
you everything you want the next day um

7855
05:33:50,638 --> 05:33:53,680
kind of thing. their capacity is so high

7856
05:33:53,680 --> 05:33:56,558
and I feel like to whom much had the

7857
05:33:56,558 --> 05:33:59,040
opportunity and capacity much is

7858
05:33:59,040 --> 05:34:01,280
required and I think that's where we've

7859
05:34:01,280 --> 05:34:04,400
all struggled with hell in the past is

7860
05:34:04,400 --> 05:34:06,638
>> I mean I I I recently met with one of

7861
05:34:06,638 --> 05:34:09,520
the descendants of the original family

7862
05:34:09,520 --> 05:34:12,000
yeah and they've been at this for 57

7863
05:34:12,000 --> 05:34:14,958
years private and then nonprofit they

7864
05:34:14,958 --> 05:34:16,958
know how to run a theater do they still

7865
05:34:16,958 --> 05:34:18,400
have three is it three theaters that

7866
05:34:18,400 --> 05:34:18,798
they have

7867
05:34:18,798 --> 05:34:21,040
>> they do and they open a new theater this

7868
05:34:21,040 --> 05:34:23,680
year. So, they have the Beehive Theater,

7869
05:34:23,680 --> 05:34:27,040
the main stage, and the uh the other

7870
05:34:27,040 --> 05:34:28,240
one. I've been to a couple of the

7871
05:34:28,240 --> 05:34:30,798
performances complex, right? Yes. And

7872
05:34:30,798 --> 05:34:33,520
then they fully attended at all the

7873
05:34:33,520 --> 05:34:35,200
programs.

7874
05:34:35,200 --> 05:34:38,480
>> Yes. Systemwide, they they have like

7875
05:34:38,480 --> 05:34:40,000
28,000

7876
05:34:40,000 --> 05:34:42,798
uh subscribers. They I mean, they're

7877
05:34:42,798 --> 05:34:44,400
>> the pricing is not cheap, right?

7878
05:34:44,400 --> 05:34:46,240
>> It's not. And that was one more thing I

7879
05:34:46,240 --> 05:34:47,520
want to make real quick. And I'm sorry

7880
05:34:47,520 --> 05:34:48,798
because again it's just a tough

7881
05:34:48,798 --> 05:34:50,480
organization to report on in three

7882
05:34:50,480 --> 05:34:53,520
minutes but um they believe that doing

7883
05:34:53,520 --> 05:34:55,680
youth pricing is part of their

7884
05:34:55,680 --> 05:34:58,718
charitable contribution and in my mind

7885
05:34:58,718 --> 05:35:01,280
in hospitality and entertainment youth

7886
05:35:01,280 --> 05:35:03,840
pricing is standard right so it's not

7887
05:35:03,840 --> 05:35:05,440
that you're giving me anything but they

7888
05:35:05,440 --> 05:35:07,680
can't because they sell out anything

7889
05:35:07,680 --> 05:35:09,120
that they give they think they're

7890
05:35:09,120 --> 05:35:10,958
giving.

7891
05:35:10,958 --> 05:35:12,878
>> So I'll leave it at that unless you have

7892
05:35:12,878 --> 05:35:14,160
some questions or you make your

7893
05:35:14,160 --> 05:35:16,558
comments. I'm so sorry.

7894
05:35:16,558 --> 05:35:21,040
My score um for them is drum roll.

7895
05:35:21,040 --> 05:35:25,600
Sorry. Sorry. Um I gave them a 10.

7896
05:35:25,600 --> 05:35:27,760
>> Oh, sorry. I assigned to assignments.

7897
05:35:27,760 --> 05:35:28,718
>> Yes, just fine.

7898
05:35:28,718 --> 05:35:29,760
>> I'm sorry.

7899
05:35:29,760 --> 05:35:32,240
>> It's good that I can talk really fast.

7900
05:35:32,240 --> 05:35:34,160
>> Uh did we have other comments or

7901
05:35:34,160 --> 05:35:35,760
conversations for Hail?

7902
05:35:35,760 --> 05:35:36,080
>> Wow.

7903
05:35:36,080 --> 05:35:38,000
>> How about changing any scores? Go ahead

7904
05:35:38,000 --> 05:35:41,200
and do that now. Make those adjustments.

7905
05:35:41,200 --> 05:35:43,920
Um, then we'll move to Pioneer will be

7906
05:35:43,920 --> 05:35:46,480
the next one on the theater and that

7907
05:35:46,480 --> 05:35:48,000
would be Heidi. just go ahead and make

7908
05:35:48,000 --> 05:35:50,878
those changes and then let's go ahead

7909
05:35:50,878 --> 05:35:53,520
and when you're when everyone's ready a

7910
05:35:53,520 --> 05:35:58,390
minute I think

7911
05:35:58,400 --> 05:36:01,920
um theater

7912
05:36:01,920 --> 05:36:05,360
has had a leadership transition and um

7913
05:36:05,360 --> 05:36:10,080
this is Adrian um uh second year as the

7914
05:36:10,080 --> 05:36:13,990
executive director is

7915
05:36:14,000 --> 05:36:15,360
» um

7916
05:36:15,360 --> 05:36:18,638
>> and and he's exceptional and he is

7917
05:36:18,638 --> 05:36:21,040
committed to turning this around and he

7918
05:36:21,040 --> 05:36:24,878
um and it it's pretty impressive. Okay.

7919
05:36:24,878 --> 05:36:27,840
Um well

7920
05:36:27,840 --> 05:36:30,878
compared to hail for example um primary

7921
05:36:30,878 --> 05:36:32,638
theater is authentic to original

7922
05:36:32,638 --> 05:36:34,958
manuscripts. They don't uh cut curse

7923
05:36:34,958 --> 05:36:36,798
words and things like that. So from an

7924
05:36:36,798 --> 05:36:38,080
artistic standpoint

7925
05:36:38,080 --> 05:36:39,360
>> that's why you want to go to there.

7926
05:36:39,360 --> 05:36:40,558
>> I would call it higher [laughter]

7927
05:36:40,558 --> 05:36:43,600
quality. I would call it more artistic

7928
05:36:43,600 --> 05:36:47,120
quality. Um they had the same number of

7929
05:36:47,120 --> 05:36:49,440
attendees this past season for six shows

7930
05:36:49,440 --> 05:36:52,320
compared to seven the season prior. Uh

7931
05:36:52,320 --> 05:36:54,080
they did some really cool stuff with

7932
05:36:54,080 --> 05:36:57,520
outreach dear Evan Hansen and um the

7933
05:36:57,520 --> 05:37:00,638
first responders to Come From Away.

7934
05:37:00,638 --> 05:37:03,840
>> Um they had strong subscription renewals

7935
05:37:03,840 --> 05:37:05,920
in the live in the lobby during Come

7936
05:37:05,920 --> 05:37:08,718
From Away and new season subscribers are

7937
05:37:08,718 --> 05:37:11,920
up by 300. Um they have the pay what you

7938
05:37:11,920 --> 05:37:16,240
can program and uh last season uh they

7939
05:37:16,240 --> 05:37:18,958
had 1,200 people take them up on this

7940
05:37:18,958 --> 05:37:21,760
curtain call program. Uh the prior

7941
05:37:21,760 --> 05:37:23,680
season was 800. So they're really

7942
05:37:23,680 --> 05:37:25,920
expanding and you can see on this chart

7943
05:37:25,920 --> 05:37:27,440
>> how much free

7944
05:37:27,440 --> 05:37:30,718
>> that it's almost a 5050 split with free

7945
05:37:30,718 --> 05:37:33,120
um admission activities in both the

7946
05:37:33,120 --> 05:37:37,040
activities and the um attends.

7947
05:37:37,040 --> 05:37:39,360
Um

7948
05:37:39,360 --> 05:37:42,000
>> are and

7949
05:37:42,000 --> 05:37:47,760
single tickets uh were up uh by um 4,000

7950
05:37:47,760 --> 05:37:50,878
more single tickets sold last season and

7951
05:37:50,878 --> 05:37:54,718
again with one fewer production. So

7952
05:37:54,718 --> 05:37:58,378
they're really on the upward trend. Um

7953
05:37:58,378 --> 05:38:00,638
[clears throat] their financials uh in

7954
05:38:00,638 --> 05:38:03,200
the I attended their board meeting. They

7955
05:38:03,200 --> 05:38:05,280
had a really engaged board. They shared

7956
05:38:05,280 --> 05:38:08,080
the year end the year year end

7957
05:38:08,080 --> 05:38:12,878
financials and um and they recorded it

7958
05:38:12,878 --> 05:38:16,240
um and and they reported that they were

7959
05:38:16,240 --> 05:38:18,638
um in the in the green for that they had

7960
05:38:18,638 --> 05:38:21,920
a surplus for the first time

7961
05:38:21,920 --> 05:38:24,400
and the or cheered and I got kind of

7962
05:38:24,400 --> 05:38:26,558
like I was kind of like taking a bath

7963
05:38:26,558 --> 05:38:28,320
because they were just like it was so

7964
05:38:28,320 --> 05:38:33,200
cool. um uh they talked about budget

7965
05:38:33,200 --> 05:38:35,200
changes from last year are a lot more

7966
05:38:35,200 --> 05:38:36,958
reasonable again because of the new

7967
05:38:36,958 --> 05:38:41,280
leadership. So um they um they're more

7968
05:38:41,280 --> 05:38:43,920
feasible. Uh previously they budgeted

7969
05:38:43,920 --> 05:38:47,200
for 60 to 70% occupancy.

7970
05:38:47,200 --> 05:38:50,080
Um they're being more intentional in

7971
05:38:50,080 --> 05:38:52,240
their budgeting. They missed the revenue

7972
05:38:52,240 --> 05:38:56,638
mark in the past by 300 to $600,000.

7973
05:38:56,638 --> 05:38:58,798
Um they're building contingencies in the

7974
05:38:58,798 --> 05:39:01,840
budget to mitigate when needed. Um

7975
05:39:01,840 --> 05:39:03,280
morale [clears throat] is up because of

7976
05:39:03,280 --> 05:39:06,000
the um they're not missing the budget

7977
05:39:06,000 --> 05:39:09,760
mark and um

7978
05:39:09,760 --> 05:39:12,558
uh we talked about the U or well um you

7979
05:39:12,558 --> 05:39:16,160
know the U is is working to help um help

7980
05:39:16,160 --> 05:39:20,000
them with their debt.

7981
05:39:20,000 --> 05:39:23,120
um you know their advertising one of

7982
05:39:23,120 --> 05:39:24,878
their weaknesses is their advertising

7983
05:39:24,878 --> 05:39:26,878
budget small and it doesn't allow them

7984
05:39:26,878 --> 05:39:30,320
to reach the entire um Salt Lake Valley.

7985
05:39:30,320 --> 05:39:33,280
So they um but they but they do student

7986
05:39:33,280 --> 05:39:34,798
matineese and they're reaching more

7987
05:39:34,798 --> 05:39:40,788
areas including Granite District um

7988
05:39:40,798 --> 05:39:43,200
uh opportunities. They have a 1.2

7989
05:39:43,200 --> 05:39:45,440
million challenge grant campaign

7990
05:39:45,440 --> 05:39:47,200
happening right now. They are going to

7991
05:39:47,200 --> 05:39:49,600
be announcing what they call a sparkle

7992
05:39:49,600 --> 05:39:53,004
production that it will be a a

7993
05:39:53,004 --> 05:39:54,878
[clears throat] a rain maker for them.

7994
05:39:54,878 --> 05:39:57,200
Um it it will be their main production

7995
05:39:57,200 --> 05:39:58,558
and they're going to announce that I

7996
05:39:58,558 --> 05:40:00,480
think next week. M

7997
05:40:00,480 --> 05:40:04,558
>> um they are doing more um you they have

7998
05:40:04,558 --> 05:40:08,240
14 in uh U of department of theater

7999
05:40:08,240 --> 05:40:11,200
interns uh this season

8000
05:40:11,200 --> 05:40:13,840
nine last season

8001
05:40:13,840 --> 05:40:15,840
and they're very aware of tier one

8002
05:40:15,840 --> 05:40:18,798
competition. They were really they spent

8003
05:40:18,798 --> 05:40:21,920
a ton of time with me and they ask

8004
05:40:21,920 --> 05:40:26,958
everyone here for grace. [laughter]

8005
05:40:26,958 --> 05:40:29,280
>> Thank you.

8006
05:40:29,280 --> 05:40:32,558
Uh so

8007
05:40:32,558 --> 05:40:34,480
not so long ago they opened up yet

8008
05:40:34,480 --> 05:40:37,200
another theater and so the question

8009
05:40:37,200 --> 05:40:39,600
becomes how can they justify having two

8010
05:40:39,600 --> 05:40:41,280
theaters when even then

8011
05:40:41,280 --> 05:40:43,280
>> I had financial challenges.

8012
05:40:43,280 --> 05:40:45,600
>> So it's the department of theater that

8013
05:40:45,600 --> 05:40:48,718
runs the Meldrum Theater and it is the

8014
05:40:48,718 --> 05:40:51,760
former um

8015
05:40:51,760 --> 05:40:52,558
fieldhouse

8016
05:40:52,558 --> 05:40:57,600
>> field house. Um, so they pay $1 in rent

8017
05:40:57,600 --> 05:41:00,160
annually to use the Meldram Theater.

8018
05:41:00,160 --> 05:41:00,480
>> Oh,

8019
05:41:00,480 --> 05:41:02,718
>> and it allows them to do more um

8020
05:41:02,718 --> 05:41:05,040
experimental works. Um,

8021
05:41:05,040 --> 05:41:06,638
>> I did see a performance there. It's a

8022
05:41:06,638 --> 05:41:08,400
theater in the round, so

8023
05:41:08,400 --> 05:41:12,000
>> it's different and more um edgy and his

8024
05:41:12,000 --> 05:41:17,840
um innovative works. Uh they had,

8025
05:41:17,840 --> 05:41:19,760
you may have seen in the news that they

8026
05:41:19,760 --> 05:41:23,680
had a um sprinkler uh fire sprinklers

8027
05:41:23,680 --> 05:41:28,320
went off um in PTC last week and

8028
05:41:28,320 --> 05:41:29,360
>> Belgium or the other

8029
05:41:29,360 --> 05:41:30,798
>> the other one. [clears throat]

8030
05:41:30,798 --> 05:41:33,360
>> Oh, even the one downstairs, the um

8031
05:41:33,360 --> 05:41:34,480
Babcock.

8032
05:41:34,480 --> 05:41:35,760
>> Oh,

8033
05:41:35,760 --> 05:41:39,280
>> so it flooded the pit the theater and

8034
05:41:39,280 --> 05:41:40,400
it's a nightmare. [clears throat]

8035
05:41:40,400 --> 05:41:44,320
And um they are moving their first

8036
05:41:44,320 --> 05:41:47,360
production of the season to Westminster.

8037
05:41:47,360 --> 05:41:50,718
They got it l like lined up in two days.

8038
05:41:50,718 --> 05:41:52,878
>> They they found [clears throat]

8039
05:41:52,878 --> 05:41:55,840
>> but that's that's owned by the youth,

8040
05:41:55,840 --> 05:41:59,440
right? Are they leasing that from the

8041
05:41:59,440 --> 05:42:00,958
>> both theaters are the U's, right?

8042
05:42:00,958 --> 05:42:03,280
>> They're both they both are

8043
05:42:03,280 --> 05:42:05,760
>> you insurance everything.

8044
05:42:05,760 --> 05:42:07,840
>> Yeah. So they So I guess what you're

8045
05:42:07,840 --> 05:42:09,600
saying Heidi is they don't really have

8046
05:42:09,600 --> 05:42:11,520
an operating expense necessarily

8047
05:42:11,520 --> 05:42:12,958
associated with the Meldram theater.

8048
05:42:12,958 --> 05:42:13,440
>> Correct.

8049
05:42:13,440 --> 05:42:13,840
>> Okay.

8050
05:42:13,840 --> 05:42:16,000
>> Yeah.

8051
05:42:16,000 --> 05:42:19,120
>> Um anyway any

8052
05:42:19,120 --> 05:42:22,480
>> what was your score?

8053
05:42:22,480 --> 05:42:25,120
>> 15.

8054
05:42:25,120 --> 05:42:26,240
>> Okay.

8055
05:42:26,240 --> 05:42:28,080
>> They ever done any like

8056
05:42:28,080 --> 05:42:29,600
>> because of the upward trend

8057
05:42:29,600 --> 05:42:32,240
>> the outreach. Have they ever done any

8058
05:42:32,240 --> 05:42:33,600
I'm I'm trying to think if they ever

8059
05:42:33,600 --> 05:42:35,120
done other than having the kids come

8060
05:42:35,120 --> 05:42:38,160
there. Have they done a youth outreach

8061
05:42:38,160 --> 05:42:40,558
of any kind?

8062
05:42:40,558 --> 05:42:44,310
>> Um,

8063
05:42:44,320 --> 05:42:45,200
» Westminster.

8064
05:42:45,200 --> 05:42:46,160
>> Yeah. Um,

8065
05:42:46,160 --> 05:42:48,160
>> I mean, it's like

8066
05:42:48,160 --> 05:42:51,040
they do Boys and Girls Club tickets.

8067
05:42:51,040 --> 05:42:51,600
>> Um,

8068
05:42:51,600 --> 05:42:54,400
>> but they're all on site, right?

8069
05:42:54,400 --> 05:42:58,628
>> They're all bring

8070
05:42:58,638 --> 05:42:59,680
outreach.

8071
05:42:59,680 --> 05:43:00,958
>> Yeah.

8072
05:43:00,958 --> 05:43:03,280
>> Be hard to redeem those things. Um, I

8073
05:43:03,280 --> 05:43:05,600
love them and I love their upward trend.

8074
05:43:05,600 --> 05:43:09,120
I'm just so I I'm bound by the fact that

8075
05:43:09,120 --> 05:43:11,360
they're just geographically strapped,

8076
05:43:11,360 --> 05:43:13,680
right? And in every way with their

8077
05:43:13,680 --> 05:43:16,160
board, their their performance only

8078
05:43:16,160 --> 05:43:18,480
being in a particular location. For me,

8079
05:43:18,480 --> 05:43:20,958
that's that's the weakness. But I love

8080
05:43:20,958 --> 05:43:23,120
everything they're doing. I went to see

8081
05:43:23,120 --> 05:43:24,878
Come From Away. I thought it was

8082
05:43:24,878 --> 05:43:26,638
fabulous. I actually went twice in one

8083
05:43:26,638 --> 05:43:28,000
week because after I went the first

8084
05:43:28,000 --> 05:43:30,000
time, I wanted a friend to go with me a

8085
05:43:30,000 --> 05:43:31,680
second time because I needed her to see

8086
05:43:31,680 --> 05:43:34,000
it. I thought they did a great job

8087
05:43:34,000 --> 05:43:35,920
talking about Zap. Great job getting

8088
05:43:35,920 --> 05:43:38,080
their audience enthusiastic about

8089
05:43:38,080 --> 05:43:41,680
becoming subscription holders.

8090
05:43:41,680 --> 05:43:44,000
The quality of the show was so good. The

8091
05:43:44,000 --> 05:43:45,440
friend who saw it in Broadway and went

8092
05:43:45,440 --> 05:43:47,040
with to that production thought that one

8093
05:43:47,040 --> 05:43:50,320
was better. They're so high caliber and

8094
05:43:50,320 --> 05:43:51,760
like you said, the vision and the

8095
05:43:51,760 --> 05:43:54,400
leadership now. there is an absolute

8096
05:43:54,400 --> 05:43:58,400
shift. I just we need to be able to get

8097
05:43:58,400 --> 05:44:01,040
them to access the rest of the county

8098
05:44:01,040 --> 05:44:03,280
and and some other ways for me to score

8099
05:44:03,280 --> 05:44:06,160
them higher. But I do love the direction

8100
05:44:06,160 --> 05:44:07,840
they're going and I love how you spoke

8101
05:44:07,840 --> 05:44:10,240
about them, Heidi, because that's it's

8102
05:44:10,240 --> 05:44:11,600
really exciting to see you as an

8103
05:44:11,600 --> 05:44:14,480
advocate for them. You gave us a lot of

8104
05:44:14,480 --> 05:44:15,280
good info.

8105
05:44:15,280 --> 05:44:16,958
>> Thank you, Heidi. They also just as a

8106
05:44:16,958 --> 05:44:18,798
reminder they're one of the only I mean

8107
05:44:18,798 --> 05:44:21,120
other ones we met with right the four in

8108
05:44:21,120 --> 05:44:23,040
caution letter three warning letters

8109
05:44:23,040 --> 05:44:24,718
>> they did take my advice which was nice

8110
05:44:24,718 --> 05:44:26,878
which was like you have these issues

8111
05:44:26,878 --> 05:44:29,760
with the board having this co not loving

8112
05:44:29,760 --> 05:44:31,600
co in there and he did write the letter

8113
05:44:31,600 --> 05:44:33,840
he did write a special letter for y'all

8114
05:44:33,840 --> 05:44:35,600
CEO letter that's in there I don't think

8115
05:44:35,600 --> 05:44:37,200
anyone else did made that effort to

8116
05:44:37,200 --> 05:44:38,958
write a letter to say I'm directly

8117
05:44:38,958 --> 05:44:40,958
addressing to you the best way that I

8118
05:44:40,958 --> 05:44:42,480
know how to thought that was pretty

8119
05:44:42,480 --> 05:44:46,400
moving that is an operational thing not just the money thing but it's a

8120
05:44:46,400 --> 05:44:48,878
person in our community trying to run

8121
05:44:48,878 --> 05:44:50,240
something new,

8122
05:44:50,240 --> 05:44:52,080
>> I felt like it was a really it's more

8123
05:44:52,080 --> 05:44:53,520
than a gesture.

8124
05:44:53,520 --> 05:44:53,840
>> Yeah.

8125
05:44:53,840 --> 05:44:55,840
>> I feel like compared to when he came and

8126
05:44:55,840 --> 05:44:58,798
met with us too he had these plans,

8127
05:44:58,798 --> 05:45:01,040
right? We all met with him and a lot of

8128
05:45:01,040 --> 05:45:03,200
them seemed like I was a little unsure.

8129
05:45:03,200 --> 05:45:05,680
So to hear Heidi say, "Hey, if it's it

8130
05:45:05,680 --> 05:45:07,360
looks like it's starting to work and

8131
05:45:07,360 --> 05:45:09,760
maybe pick up momentum of what they have

8132
05:45:09,760 --> 05:45:12,798
envisioned, I wasn't sure coming in with

8133
05:45:12,798 --> 05:45:14,320
this because he kind of revamped it. I

8134
05:45:14,320 --> 05:45:16,638
feel like he kind of just trying to

8135
05:45:16,638 --> 05:45:18,798
start from scratch.

8136
05:45:18,798 --> 05:45:20,000
>> Not really.

8137
05:45:20,000 --> 05:45:23,920
>> Maybe there comments or score changes or

8138
05:45:23,920 --> 05:45:26,240
>> John Doctor is the villain is their

8139
05:45:26,240 --> 05:45:29,280
upcoming production that has shifted to

8140
05:45:29,280 --> 05:45:32,798
the Westminster and it um premiered on

8141
05:45:32,798 --> 05:45:35,920
Broadway a couple years ago. It's a new

8142
05:45:35,920 --> 05:45:40,320
take on Arthur Miller's The Crucible and

8143
05:45:40,320 --> 05:45:41,920
it looks so good.

8144
05:45:41,920 --> 05:45:44,080
>> Oh, I'm excited.

8145
05:45:44,080 --> 05:45:44,558
Thanks.

8146
05:45:44,558 --> 05:45:46,480
>> Go ahead and make those changes.

8147
05:45:46,480 --> 05:45:49,280
>> So like acting company next.

8148
05:45:49,280 --> 05:45:54,628
>> That's neat.

8149
05:45:54,638 --> 05:45:57,120
» All right, let me put my notes here.

8150
05:45:57,120 --> 05:46:00,558
Sorry, I was just

8151
05:46:00,558 --> 05:46:03,280
Okay. Salt Lake Act.

8152
05:46:03,280 --> 05:46:05,760
Um they

8153
05:46:05,760 --> 05:46:07,760
for being so small, I feel like they

8154
05:46:07,760 --> 05:46:09,840
packed a big punch at least for me when

8155
05:46:09,840 --> 05:46:11,760
I met with them, when I met with their

8156
05:46:11,760 --> 05:46:13,840
board. Um, I did attend their board

8157
05:46:13,840 --> 05:46:17,120
meeting virtually. I got sick and had to

8158
05:46:17,120 --> 05:46:20,480
do it on online. But um, and I also went

8159
05:46:20,480 --> 05:46:23,200
to one of their um, performances which

8160
05:46:23,200 --> 05:46:24,798
kind of sealed the deal for me because I

8161
05:46:24,798 --> 05:46:27,440
was like, "Wow, you guys really

8162
05:46:27,440 --> 05:46:30,558
>> you put on high quality show that's

8163
05:46:30,558 --> 05:46:35,040
unique. It's creative. It's locally um,

8164
05:46:35,040 --> 05:46:38,718
it was locally written. I guess I

8165
05:46:38,718 --> 05:46:41,840
produced written uh local actors and it

8166
05:46:41,840 --> 05:46:44,558
was hilarious. It was so funny. I did go

8167
05:46:44,558 --> 05:46:46,558
a second time just on my own. I took

8168
05:46:46,558 --> 05:46:48,480
some friends with me. I was really

8169
05:46:48,480 --> 05:46:50,480
impressed with the quality of the show

8170
05:46:50,480 --> 05:46:53,600
that they produce for the small staff

8171
05:46:53,600 --> 05:46:55,040
that they have, if that makes sense.

8172
05:46:55,040 --> 05:46:57,280
They have not a very big staff, but yet

8173
05:46:57,280 --> 05:47:00,000
they're putting on this high quality

8174
05:47:00,000 --> 05:47:02,878
program. Um I feel like their niche, so

8175
05:47:02,878 --> 05:47:05,040
to speak, is kind of a certain

8176
05:47:05,040 --> 05:47:06,400
demographic. It's definitely more for

8177
05:47:06,400 --> 05:47:07,920
adults. They do have their children

8178
05:47:07,920 --> 05:47:10,240
programming that they do. They invited

8179
05:47:10,240 --> 05:47:12,558
me to come check that out. That one's

8180
05:47:12,558 --> 05:47:14,878
supposed to be really fun. Um, they are

8181
05:47:14,878 --> 05:47:17,520
very handson with their patrons and I

8182
05:47:17,520 --> 05:47:19,120
was really impressed. Even when I went

8183
05:47:19,120 --> 05:47:20,638
and then I went kind of a second time,

8184
05:47:20,638 --> 05:47:22,240
it wasn't just me. Oh, she's a board

8185
05:47:22,240 --> 05:47:23,600
member. Let's make her feel really

8186
05:47:23,600 --> 05:47:26,718
included. They add that personal touch

8187
05:47:26,718 --> 05:47:28,638
to greet everybody. And especially with

8188
05:47:28,638 --> 05:47:30,080
their subscribers that come back again,

8189
05:47:30,080 --> 05:47:31,520
they're not just saying, "Hey, how's it

8190
05:47:31,520 --> 05:47:34,000
going?" and they're remembering um

8191
05:47:34,000 --> 05:47:36,718
specific details about that um

8192
05:47:36,718 --> 05:47:39,280
individual and that person. Um so I

8193
05:47:39,280 --> 05:47:41,760
really thought that that was kind of

8194
05:47:41,760 --> 05:47:43,680
different from other organizations. They

8195
05:47:43,680 --> 05:47:46,638
also offer the opportunity for their

8196
05:47:46,638 --> 05:47:51,280
subscribers to I thought this was really unique because I go to a lot of

8197
05:47:51,280 --> 05:47:53,920
events. If you can't make an event or

8198
05:47:53,920 --> 05:47:55,840
something comes up in your life, you are

8199
05:47:55,840 --> 05:47:58,878
welcome to change your ticket to another

8200
05:47:58,878 --> 05:48:00,958
date that works for you as many times as

8201
05:48:00,958 --> 05:48:03,520
you would like. That is unheard of.

8202
05:48:03,520 --> 05:48:05,120
>> They handle their own box office.

8203
05:48:05,120 --> 05:48:05,520
Pardon?

8204
05:48:05,520 --> 05:48:06,878
>> And they handle their own box office.

8205
05:48:06,878 --> 05:48:08,798
>> They do their own box office. Yes. And

8206
05:48:08,798 --> 05:48:12,958
so that was very um unique to them. They

8207
05:48:12,958 --> 05:48:14,080
uh

8208
05:48:14,080 --> 05:48:15,840
>> also a very unique venue, too.

8209
05:48:15,840 --> 05:48:17,760
>> They are that I was so impressed with

8210
05:48:17,760 --> 05:48:19,600
it. Yeah. The venue it's it's very

8211
05:48:19,600 --> 05:48:22,000
small. It's very intimate, but it works

8212
05:48:22,000 --> 05:48:24,878
really well for what they uh put on. And

8213
05:48:24,878 --> 05:48:26,638
they have the the different spaces kind

8214
05:48:26,638 --> 05:48:28,718
of allocated for like workshops and this

8215
05:48:28,718 --> 05:48:30,240
that and the other. And I feel like

8216
05:48:30,240 --> 05:48:32,080
they're slowly coming back from those co

8217
05:48:32,080 --> 05:48:33,440
numbers trying to get subscribers.

8218
05:48:33,440 --> 05:48:35,440
They're really

8219
05:48:35,440 --> 05:48:37,040
comedic and really funny about the way

8220
05:48:37,040 --> 05:48:39,760
they do them kind of in in the shows as

8221
05:48:39,760 --> 05:48:43,280
well. So, I was really impressed. They

8222
05:48:43,280 --> 05:48:46,480
um they have a few neurodyiverse people

8223
05:48:46,480 --> 05:48:47,840
that they hire and stuff like that. So,

8224
05:48:47,840 --> 05:48:50,160
I was I was I don't know just really

8225
05:48:50,160 --> 05:48:52,718
impressed with how they put that

8226
05:48:52,718 --> 05:48:54,320
personal touch and make everybody feel

8227
05:48:54,320 --> 05:48:56,320
included and just it's like feels like a

8228
05:48:56,320 --> 05:48:58,638
very self a safe space, very welcoming

8229
05:48:58,638 --> 05:49:01,120
space. Um with their board meeting,

8230
05:49:01,120 --> 05:49:03,040
their board is very engaged. They were

8231
05:49:03,040 --> 05:49:05,040
focused on a particular fundraiser

8232
05:49:05,040 --> 05:49:07,520
coming up. Uh board members are

8233
05:49:07,520 --> 05:49:10,958
providing items to auction off and

8234
05:49:10,958 --> 05:49:13,520
working very collaboratively, very like

8235
05:49:13,520 --> 05:49:15,360
together, very hands-on. I did notice

8236
05:49:15,360 --> 05:49:16,798
that a lot of their board meetings were

8237
05:49:16,798 --> 05:49:19,520
participating um via Zoom, via online.

8238
05:49:19,520 --> 05:49:21,200
And so that was one of the things and I

8239
05:49:21,200 --> 05:49:24,320
kind of put it as a weakness um that she

8240
05:49:24,320 --> 05:49:25,680
thought maybe that they were going to

8241
05:49:25,680 --> 05:49:27,280
start discussing is maybe requiring a

8242
05:49:27,280 --> 05:49:30,240
minimum number of like you have to at

8243
05:49:30,240 --> 05:49:32,080
least attend, you know, this many board

8244
05:49:32,080 --> 05:49:34,878
meetings in person. Um but I also think

8245
05:49:34,878 --> 05:49:36,638
it was unique and nice because if you

8246
05:49:36,638 --> 05:49:38,000
can't make the meeting, at least you're

8247
05:49:38,000 --> 05:49:39,840
there virtually. You know, when I

8248
05:49:39,840 --> 05:49:41,280
attended a one of my other

8249
05:49:41,280 --> 05:49:42,718
organizations, they had board members

8250
05:49:42,718 --> 05:49:44,160
who were not available because they were

8251
05:49:44,160 --> 05:49:45,840
working on projects. It would have been

8252
05:49:45,840 --> 05:49:48,798
nice to have their perspective or at

8253
05:49:48,798 --> 05:49:51,280
least listen in what they had to say.

8254
05:49:51,280 --> 05:49:55,040
So, sorry.

8255
05:49:55,040 --> 05:49:58,000
>> Does their does their board uh require

8256
05:49:58,000 --> 05:50:00,000
contributions?

8257
05:50:00,000 --> 05:50:03,360
>> So, they can do like inind type things.

8258
05:50:03,360 --> 05:50:05,920
So, whatever you

8259
05:50:05,920 --> 05:50:07,680
can give. So they had a board member who

8260
05:50:07,680 --> 05:50:09,760
said, "Okay, I've got a condo or I can't

8261
05:50:09,760 --> 05:50:11,360
remember what it was." And so he was

8262
05:50:11,360 --> 05:50:13,040
donating that part and then he was

8263
05:50:13,040 --> 05:50:14,400
working with a friend that works at

8264
05:50:14,400 --> 05:50:17,520
Delta to secure like airline tickets to

8265
05:50:17,520 --> 05:50:19,360
be able to auction them up. So it's kind

8266
05:50:19,360 --> 05:50:22,480
of those types of um or services that

8267
05:50:22,480 --> 05:50:25,040
they you do community outreach or you

8268
05:50:25,040 --> 05:50:27,840
specialize in.

8269
05:50:27,840 --> 05:50:33,750
>> How many board members they have? Um,

8270
05:50:33,760 --> 05:50:36,160
» I'm not person that remembers very well.

8271
05:50:36,160 --> 05:50:37,680
So, I can pull up the application real

8272
05:50:37,680 --> 05:50:38,638
quick.

8273
05:50:38,638 --> 05:50:39,920
>> That's it.

8274
05:50:39,920 --> 05:50:41,920
>> Board member 17,

8275
05:50:41,920 --> 05:50:43,440
>> but they only have half the district

8276
05:50:43,440 --> 05:50:44,320
covered. Okay.

8277
05:50:44,320 --> 05:50:46,160
>> Yeah, they are. [clears throat] Yeah,

8278
05:50:46,160 --> 05:50:50,480
their location is is Yeah. space for

8279
05:50:50,480 --> 05:50:51,920
sure.

8280
05:50:51,920 --> 05:50:54,080
>> Yeah. I I always say they celebrate the

8281
05:50:54,080 --> 05:50:57,760
unwanted, right? They really really do

8282
05:50:57,760 --> 05:51:00,240
look at how to be as inclusionary as

8283
05:51:00,240 --> 05:51:02,878
possible and they use whatever resource

8284
05:51:02,878 --> 05:51:04,638
they they're very generous with whatever

8285
05:51:04,638 --> 05:51:06,798
resource they have. Like when we went to

8286
05:51:06,798 --> 05:51:09,200
Utah presents last night, the theater

8287
05:51:09,200 --> 05:51:12,080
group that was performing actually had

8288
05:51:12,080 --> 05:51:14,320
run their script through at Salt Lake

8289
05:51:14,320 --> 05:51:16,718
Acting Company, right? So they also make

8290
05:51:16,718 --> 05:51:18,878
themselves available. I would like to

8291
05:51:18,878 --> 05:51:20,320
see more opportunity for them to

8292
05:51:20,320 --> 05:51:22,958
infiltrate more districts again and more

8293
05:51:22,958 --> 05:51:25,680
representation, but they they will

8294
05:51:25,680 --> 05:51:28,320
address all marginalized communities.

8295
05:51:28,320 --> 05:51:31,600
They address financial barriers. They

8296
05:51:31,600 --> 05:51:33,280
>> and they give a creative outlet for

8297
05:51:33,280 --> 05:51:36,320
people to create things to those those

8298
05:51:36,320 --> 05:51:37,920
uh audiences.

8299
05:51:37,920 --> 05:51:40,480
>> So shows that would never be seen.

8300
05:51:40,480 --> 05:51:41,680
>> You won't see that in the main

8301
05:51:41,680 --> 05:51:42,958
>> and they work with you. They just

8302
05:51:42,958 --> 05:51:45,280
provide the tools. Oh, I want to be a

8303
05:51:45,280 --> 05:51:47,040
playwright. I have sister-in-law rights.

8304
05:51:47,040 --> 05:51:49,440
They give you the like the direction,

8305
05:51:49,440 --> 05:51:50,958
the tools, the road mapap, and I thought

8306
05:51:50,958 --> 05:51:51,520
that was

8307
05:51:51,520 --> 05:51:52,480
>> nice.

8308
05:51:52,480 --> 05:51:53,760
>> What did you score?

8309
05:51:53,760 --> 05:51:57,280
>> I scored them a 12.

8310
05:51:57,280 --> 05:51:59,040
>> It's another one that's exciting to see

8311
05:51:59,040 --> 05:52:00,878
the board member so excited about doing

8312
05:52:00,878 --> 05:52:02,718
their interview presentation.

8313
05:52:02,718 --> 05:52:04,400
>> That's awesome.

8314
05:52:04,400 --> 05:52:06,160
>> Any adjustments or any other comments?

8315
05:52:06,160 --> 05:52:07,440
>> Oh, by the way, you should go check out

8316
05:52:07,440 --> 05:52:08,558
one of their shows if you haven't

8317
05:52:08,558 --> 05:52:10,080
already.

8318
05:52:10,080 --> 05:52:11,760
>> I went to the summer show. I love to

8319
05:52:11,760 --> 05:52:12,958
always go to the summer show because

8320
05:52:12,958 --> 05:52:14,320
it's their political show.

8321
05:52:14,320 --> 05:52:16,400
>> You guys went to the same one. say what

8322
05:52:16,400 --> 05:52:16,798
it is.

8323
05:52:16,798 --> 05:52:18,480
>> You went too. You went the day after me.

8324
05:52:18,480 --> 05:52:19,680
>> Did you? Did you go to that?

8325
05:52:19,680 --> 05:52:21,760
>> I had tickets

8326
05:52:21,760 --> 05:52:23,440
>> and it didn't look my calendar. So, I

8327
05:52:23,440 --> 05:52:26,240
was an apology to them.

8328
05:52:26,240 --> 05:52:27,760
>> I told the whole thing like I just went

8329
05:52:27,760 --> 05:52:29,040
and it was like two or three days later

8330
05:52:29,040 --> 05:52:32,000
afterwards before I even wrote

8331
05:52:32,000 --> 05:52:32,878
>> that was

8332
05:52:32,878 --> 05:52:35,120
>> I wrote them. No, I was wrong. I was the

8333
05:52:35,120 --> 05:52:37,920
people that I took by the way fest. I

8334
05:52:37,920 --> 05:52:41,920
mix those two up on my calendar.

8335
05:52:41,920 --> 05:52:42,480
I just

8336
05:52:42,480 --> 05:52:45,600
>> Dustin was like, "You're not going

8337
05:52:45,600 --> 05:52:47,520
to the DIY."

8338
05:52:47,520 --> 05:52:49,840
And then plans and like the whole thing

8339
05:52:49,840 --> 05:52:51,120
cuz now I'm taking my kids and it's

8340
05:52:51,120 --> 05:52:53,440
earlier in the day versus night.

8341
05:52:53,440 --> 05:52:57,040
>> So we have we have five left.

8342
05:52:57,040 --> 05:53:01,040
>> Sorry. I know. I tried to I

8343
05:53:01,040 --> 05:53:03,200
fine.

8344
05:53:03,200 --> 05:53:03,680
>> That's fine.

8345
05:53:03,680 --> 05:53:05,120
>> Are all adjustments made for the solid

8346
05:53:05,120 --> 05:53:07,040
acting company? Yeah.

8347
05:53:07,040 --> 05:53:09,920
>> I would suggest we keep going because

8348
05:53:09,920 --> 05:53:11,520
>> Is everyone okay to keep going with your

8349
05:53:11,520 --> 05:53:13,200
brain? Like are we okay to keep going?

8350
05:53:13,200 --> 05:53:13,760
>> Yeah.

8351
05:53:13,760 --> 05:53:17,440
>> Are you sure? And how many left? Oh, one

8352
05:53:17,440 --> 05:53:18,958
>> five.

8353
05:53:18,958 --> 05:53:21,280
>> We got about an hour.

8354
05:53:21,280 --> 05:53:23,760
>> So Utah Arts Alliance is next.

8355
05:53:23,760 --> 05:53:25,280
>> Yeah, that's me.

8356
05:53:25,280 --> 05:53:27,120
>> Um, is everybody ready?

8357
05:53:27,120 --> 05:53:27,680
>> Yeah.

8358
05:53:27,680 --> 05:53:29,760
>> Okay. So, Utah Arts Alliance, again, we

8359
05:53:29,760 --> 05:53:33,360
had big red flags on last year. Um, and

8360
05:53:33,360 --> 05:53:35,920
so I try to address every one of those

8361
05:53:35,920 --> 05:53:38,000
red flags as I remember them from last

8362
05:53:38,000 --> 05:53:41,600
year. I have to say they have again um

8363
05:53:41,600 --> 05:53:43,840
been so receptive and kind and providing

8364
05:53:43,840 --> 05:53:45,440
everything that possibly could be

8365
05:53:45,440 --> 05:53:47,840
provided. I visited multiple sites, went

8366
05:53:47,840 --> 05:53:50,080
to their board meeting, continued

8367
05:53:50,080 --> 05:53:51,600
follow-up conversations and

8368
05:53:51,600 --> 05:53:54,878
documentation with Derek. And um the

8369
05:53:54,878 --> 05:53:57,200
thing about Utah Arts Alliance is they

8370
05:53:57,200 --> 05:54:00,638
also are one of those uh organizations

8371
05:54:00,638 --> 05:54:02,480
that I believe that they feel equally

8372
05:54:02,480 --> 05:54:04,480
responsible to supporting artists as

8373
05:54:04,480 --> 05:54:06,480
they do in serving the community. And so

8374
05:54:06,480 --> 05:54:10,000
they're always trying to bridge um those

8375
05:54:10,000 --> 05:54:13,520
two main philosophies. Um the hard thing

8376
05:54:13,520 --> 05:54:15,440
for them is that yeah they have all

8377
05:54:15,440 --> 05:54:18,160
these physical locations and those

8378
05:54:18,160 --> 05:54:20,718
physical locations are typically

8379
05:54:20,718 --> 05:54:24,558
supported in $1.5 million in kind rent

8380
05:54:24,558 --> 05:54:27,600
paid for. And so last year our biggest

8381
05:54:27,600 --> 05:54:29,840
conversation was well my gosh why did

8382
05:54:29,840 --> 05:54:32,958
the executive director make an $85,000

8383
05:54:32,958 --> 05:54:35,920
loan to the organization? That was all

8384
05:54:35,920 --> 05:54:37,920
vetted out with me over the fact that

8385
05:54:37,920 --> 05:54:42,160
Dreamscapes had been down in South Town.

8386
05:54:42,160 --> 05:54:44,798
Their lease got, you know, sort of

8387
05:54:44,798 --> 05:54:46,718
revoked. They got kicked out. They

8388
05:54:46,718 --> 05:54:49,440
needed the emergency money based on

8389
05:54:49,440 --> 05:54:50,798
everything else. That was the most

8390
05:54:50,798 --> 05:54:53,520
opportune way to go. But um Enita was

8391
05:54:53,520 --> 05:54:56,400
with me on this all day visit. We were

8392
05:54:56,400 --> 05:54:57,920
there, I don't know, seven hours or

8393
05:54:57,920 --> 05:55:00,638
something that day. We went everywhere

8394
05:55:00,638 --> 05:55:02,400
um after attending their board meeting.

8395
05:55:02,400 --> 05:55:05,840
But it was really um very reassuring and

8396
05:55:05,840 --> 05:55:08,558
as um Troy pointed out too, they had an

8397
05:55:08,558 --> 05:55:10,240
independent auditor come in and she's

8398
05:55:10,240 --> 05:55:13,200
like, "I only wish every single 501c3

8399
05:55:13,200 --> 05:55:15,280
operated this way with the appropriate

8400
05:55:15,280 --> 05:55:16,798
buckets, with the amount of

8401
05:55:16,798 --> 05:55:19,680
documentation, with the financing." But

8402
05:55:19,680 --> 05:55:23,920
that $1.5 million in in contribution for

8403
05:55:23,920 --> 05:55:26,320
their rental spaces everywhere is

8404
05:55:26,320 --> 05:55:28,320
obviously a tremendous strength, right?

8405
05:55:28,320 --> 05:55:30,798
for you to have that relationship that

8406
05:55:30,798 --> 05:55:32,160
you're getting that kind of money

8407
05:55:32,160 --> 05:55:34,558
donated to you in kind. But they also

8408
05:55:34,558 --> 05:55:37,280
saw the potential risks and the reversal

8409
05:55:37,280 --> 05:55:40,958
on that when they lost their space and

8410
05:55:40,958 --> 05:55:43,520
that one incident threw the entire

8411
05:55:43,520 --> 05:55:46,798
organization into crisis mode right for

8412
05:55:46,798 --> 05:55:50,638
that one year. Um, but I was certainly

8413
05:55:50,638 --> 05:55:53,440
far more impressed with the ability for

8414
05:55:53,440 --> 05:55:56,638
them to keep things accessible, speaking

8415
05:55:56,638 --> 05:55:58,718
to many different communities, bringing

8416
05:55:58,718 --> 05:56:01,040
in a lot of people, whether it's age

8417
05:56:01,040 --> 05:56:02,558
diversity,

8418
05:56:02,558 --> 05:56:06,240
you know, um, ethnic diversity. They

8419
05:56:06,240 --> 05:56:09,280
really respond in a lot of ways to try

8420
05:56:09,280 --> 05:56:10,878
to make the arts accessible for

8421
05:56:10,878 --> 05:56:13,280
everybody. The limitations again come

8422
05:56:13,280 --> 05:56:16,480
for me and the geography of it. It's all

8423
05:56:16,480 --> 05:56:19,200
in Salt Lake City. And even though they

8424
05:56:19,200 --> 05:56:21,360
are addressing maybe communities on the

8425
05:56:21,360 --> 05:56:24,400
west side, we're still not infiltrating

8426
05:56:24,400 --> 05:56:28,718
beyond um those Salt Lake City barriers,

8427
05:56:28,718 --> 05:56:32,160
but I certainly improved their score

8428
05:56:32,160 --> 05:56:34,000
much more this year than I did last

8429
05:56:34,000 --> 05:56:36,878
year. Um it's still not going to be

8430
05:56:36,878 --> 05:56:39,200
outrageous because of the geographic

8431
05:56:39,200 --> 05:56:44,240
limitations. Um I gave them um an 11.

8432
05:56:44,240 --> 05:56:47,520
Um, but I do feel that they did a

8433
05:56:47,520 --> 05:56:49,600
they're really proving their worth the

8434
05:56:49,600 --> 05:56:51,200
arts castle. If you have questions about

8435
05:56:51,200 --> 05:56:53,600
it, I can definitely answer I know the

8436
05:56:53,600 --> 05:56:56,160
whole depth about the arts castle

8437
05:56:56,160 --> 05:56:58,320
project if that's a question to you, but

8438
05:56:58,320 --> 05:57:00,638
you might have other comments.

8439
05:57:00,638 --> 05:57:02,558
>> Is that the one that has got the radio

8440
05:57:02,558 --> 05:57:04,638
station and make Salt Lake moved into it

8441
05:57:04,638 --> 05:57:06,240
now and they're all together?

8442
05:57:06,240 --> 05:57:09,920
>> Yes. Yes. And so the the purchase of

8443
05:57:09,920 --> 05:57:11,680
that property is being finalized this

8444
05:57:11,680 --> 05:57:14,000
year. They still owe another $1.5

8445
05:57:14,000 --> 05:57:17,760
million on it. Um they've um they have

8446
05:57:17,760 --> 05:57:19,680
partnerships with Salt Lake County and

8447
05:57:19,680 --> 05:57:22,160
maybe selling some of the open space.

8448
05:57:22,160 --> 05:57:24,160
They have programs already designated

8449
05:57:24,160 --> 05:57:26,080
for veterans, for example, to come in

8450
05:57:26,080 --> 05:57:27,920
and do art therapy programs. They've

8451
05:57:27,920 --> 05:57:29,840
been given a grant through the VA to

8452
05:57:29,840 --> 05:57:32,638
support the the that veterans program.

8453
05:57:32,638 --> 05:57:34,638
Um I'm trying to remember the other one.

8454
05:57:34,638 --> 05:57:38,558
They are really very masterful at

8455
05:57:38,558 --> 05:57:40,798
building partnerships that are

8456
05:57:40,798 --> 05:57:42,638
reciprocal.

8457
05:57:42,638 --> 05:57:44,320
I mean like it's one thing to say that

8458
05:57:44,320 --> 05:57:46,400
you're partnering but a lot of times

8459
05:57:46,400 --> 05:57:48,160
those partnerships are not very

8460
05:57:48,160 --> 05:57:49,920
equivalent and who's giving and who's

8461
05:57:49,920 --> 05:57:53,840
getting but they do tend to get quite a

8462
05:57:53,840 --> 05:57:56,638
lot out of creative. Yes. created and a

8463
05:57:56,638 --> 05:57:57,680
lot out of

8464
05:57:57,680 --> 05:58:00,080
>> I always thought they had all these

8465
05:58:00,080 --> 05:58:03,360
disperate not well lots of different

8466
05:58:03,360 --> 05:58:06,000
organizations lots of different brands

8467
05:58:06,000 --> 05:58:08,240
and it's it's it's kind of a puzzled

8468
05:58:08,240 --> 05:58:12,958
collective of artistic endeavors and I I

8469
05:58:12,958 --> 05:58:15,280
wasn't sure I'm still not sure from what

8470
05:58:15,280 --> 05:58:16,480
you're saying there's a cohesive

8471
05:58:16,480 --> 05:58:18,480
strategy to link them all together which

8472
05:58:18,480 --> 05:58:20,558
gets them into all these financial

8473
05:58:20,558 --> 05:58:23,760
iterations of you know spending money

8474
05:58:23,760 --> 05:58:26,080
here to cover this and so on

8475
05:58:26,080 --> 05:58:27,200
So, I'm a little confused.

8476
05:58:27,200 --> 05:58:29,840
>> I I did have all those same concerns

8477
05:58:29,840 --> 05:58:32,240
until this board meeting and that

8478
05:58:32,240 --> 05:58:34,240
auditor and seeing where they're headed.

8479
05:58:34,240 --> 05:58:37,520
I do I still do feel that they're at

8480
05:58:37,520 --> 05:58:41,120
risk based on some of those inind

8481
05:58:41,120 --> 05:58:42,878
donations that come in because we see

8482
05:58:42,878 --> 05:58:45,040
how quickly that could flip-flop on

8483
05:58:45,040 --> 05:58:48,000
them. Um, but they are very healthy

8484
05:58:48,000 --> 05:58:51,280
financially. Um, and I do think it's the

8485
05:58:51,280 --> 05:58:54,320
longevity of the executive director, the

8486
05:58:54,320 --> 05:58:57,760
very engaged board and what again what

8487
05:58:57,760 --> 05:58:59,600
they do so successfully is there are

8488
05:58:59,600 --> 05:59:02,558
thousands of volunteers and they invest

8489
05:59:02,558 --> 05:59:05,280
in their volunteer management program.

8490
05:59:05,280 --> 05:59:07,280
So the way they recruit, train, and

8491
05:59:07,280 --> 05:59:10,558
utilize volunteers. Um, it's a a weird

8492
05:59:10,558 --> 05:59:13,360
little symphony that if you don't get

8493
05:59:13,360 --> 05:59:17,280
the insider view, it definitely freaks

8494
05:59:17,280 --> 05:59:19,600
you out. It still makes me a little

8495
05:59:19,600 --> 05:59:22,400
unstable. I will say like I still

8496
05:59:22,400 --> 05:59:24,558
>> from the outside looking in I thought

8497
05:59:24,558 --> 05:59:26,080
gosh they're spread thin and their

8498
05:59:26,080 --> 05:59:27,280
mission is broad.

8499
05:59:27,280 --> 05:59:28,638
>> Yes.

8500
05:59:28,638 --> 05:59:31,520
>> The nature of what they do is broad

8501
05:59:31,520 --> 05:59:33,600
>> but I worried that it wasn't defined.

8502
05:59:33,600 --> 05:59:35,200
>> I'm like I mean we I've been here for 5

8503
05:59:35,200 --> 05:59:36,638
years and I still don't know what all

8504
05:59:36,638 --> 05:59:38,480
those logos go to. That's an issue. You

8505
05:59:38,480 --> 05:59:39,440
shouldn't have to have an insider

8506
05:59:39,440 --> 05:59:41,040
review. This is supposed to be publicly

8507
05:59:41,040 --> 05:59:42,400
available. So I think that's one thing.

8508
05:59:42,400 --> 05:59:43,520
The thing is the leader

8509
05:59:43,520 --> 05:59:46,638
>> she is a symphony. I saw it as juggling

8510
05:59:46,638 --> 05:59:48,000
too too many.

8511
05:59:48,000 --> 05:59:50,000
>> From an outside point of view, I think

8512
05:59:50,000 --> 05:59:51,680
it's an issue. I also think that it's

8513
05:59:51,680 --> 05:59:53,200
all based on one human.

8514
05:59:53,200 --> 05:59:55,840
>> Yeah, that's the other Derek is it

8515
05:59:55,840 --> 05:59:57,840
>> he's the catalyst for all the catalyst

8516
05:59:57,840 --> 05:59:58,878
who succeeds him.

8517
05:59:58,878 --> 06:00:02,878
>> There are Well, I mean, yeah, there are

8518
06:00:02,878 --> 06:00:04,798
a couple of board members. You do have a

8519
06:00:04,798 --> 06:00:06,240
couple of other people who've been

8520
06:00:06,240 --> 06:00:08,400
employees there before, but yeah, he is

8521
06:00:08,400 --> 06:00:10,558
definitely the main show. No different

8522
06:00:10,558 --> 06:00:12,878
than Gretchen at, right? there's like we

8523
06:00:12,878 --> 06:00:15,600
do have a lot of organizations that that

8524
06:00:15,600 --> 06:00:18,240
institutional knowledge is

8525
06:00:18,240 --> 06:00:21,520
>> primarily in one person. So yeah, that's

8526
06:00:21,520 --> 06:00:22,240
why they're not

8527
06:00:22,240 --> 06:00:23,520
>> succession planning or strategic

8528
06:00:23,520 --> 06:00:24,798
planning around that those kinds of

8529
06:00:24,798 --> 06:00:25,840
things like leadership.

8530
06:00:25,840 --> 06:00:28,080
>> I think that they didn't I I don't think

8531
06:00:28,080 --> 06:00:29,520
they were an organization that was

8532
06:00:29,520 --> 06:00:31,920
missing a strategic plan. I do think Oh,

8533
06:00:31,920 --> 06:00:34,320
no. They have a good strategic plan I I

8534
06:00:34,320 --> 06:00:36,558
felt was was very solid. But succession

8535
06:00:36,558 --> 06:00:39,120
planning I felt that they do rely back

8536
06:00:39,120 --> 06:00:41,360
on their board primarily and felt that

8537
06:00:41,360 --> 06:00:44,718
there would be that they have everything

8538
06:00:44,718 --> 06:00:47,840
well documented that things are Yeah.

8539
06:00:47,840 --> 06:00:49,040
>> What was your score?

8540
06:00:49,040 --> 06:00:51,680
>> I gave them um an 11.

8541
06:00:51,680 --> 06:00:52,798
>> Okay.

8542
06:00:52,798 --> 06:00:55,040
>> What was Rita's score since she was like

8543
06:00:55,040 --> 06:00:56,160
shadowing you?

8544
06:00:56,160 --> 06:00:57,440
>> Yeah. [laughter] What was your score?

8545
06:00:57,440 --> 06:01:00,638
>> Did you copy Lynette? I I was a 10 just

8546
06:01:00,638 --> 06:01:03,680
because of the internal operational

8547
06:01:03,680 --> 06:01:05,040
complexity of it

8548
06:01:05,040 --> 06:01:08,000
>> and I think again because I asked for so

8549
06:01:08,000 --> 06:01:10,000
I mean if you saw the pages and pages of

8550
06:01:10,000 --> 06:01:11,600
things that they had to produce for me

8551
06:01:11,600 --> 06:01:14,080
after that that provided me more

8552
06:01:14,080 --> 06:01:17,280
security um that's how I got up to the

8553
06:01:17,280 --> 06:01:20,160
11 but I am definitely concerned about

8554
06:01:20,160 --> 06:01:22,480
the geographical reach and

8555
06:01:22,480 --> 06:01:24,798
>> the six of darings

8556
06:01:24,798 --> 06:01:27,760
>> all the but things that came up like the

8557
06:01:27,760 --> 06:01:29,520
urbans art gallery, the program that

8558
06:01:29,520 --> 06:01:31,680
they do for new artists every month and

8559
06:01:31,680 --> 06:01:35,040
the there were so what makes them

8560
06:01:35,040 --> 06:01:37,680
vulnerable is also their strength,

8561
06:01:37,680 --> 06:01:40,798
right? Um and so but they're also very

8562
06:01:40,798 --> 06:01:44,958
inter interrelated like

8563
06:01:44,958 --> 06:01:46,798
there's something about it economically

8564
06:01:46,798 --> 06:01:48,558
that they're depending on all these

8565
06:01:48,558 --> 06:01:50,400
things to keep them going. Yeah.

8566
06:01:50,400 --> 06:01:52,320
>> It's like a juggling act and you think

8567
06:01:52,320 --> 06:01:54,080
that one ball's going to fall, the whole

8568
06:01:54,080 --> 06:01:56,320
thing is going to be the Lincoln locks

8569
06:01:56,320 --> 06:01:57,360
are going to break apart.

8570
06:01:57,360 --> 06:01:59,440
>> It is. But that independent auditor, I'm

8571
06:01:59,440 --> 06:02:01,440
telling you, she was very convincing

8572
06:02:01,440 --> 06:02:04,400
because I've sat in I can't tell you how

8573
06:02:04,400 --> 06:02:08,160
many dozens if not hundreds of board

8574
06:02:08,160 --> 06:02:10,718
meetings and I've never seen an auditor

8575
06:02:10,718 --> 06:02:13,200
feel more confident that their auditing

8576
06:02:13,200 --> 06:02:16,320
practices were secure. And again, this

8577
06:02:16,320 --> 06:02:18,160
was one person's opinion, but I found

8578
06:02:18,160 --> 06:02:19,760
her credible. She was providing the

8579
06:02:19,760 --> 06:02:20,400
right information.

8580
06:02:20,400 --> 06:02:21,280
>> It sounds like they made good

8581
06:02:21,280 --> 06:02:23,840
improvements since last year. Yeah, but

8582
06:02:23,840 --> 06:02:25,040
it did sound like you had to do a lot of

8583
06:02:25,040 --> 06:02:27,440
digging to get some basic answers.

8584
06:02:27,440 --> 06:02:30,400
>> And I went to the festival um and of

8585
06:02:30,400 --> 06:02:33,040
course got rained out this weekend,

8586
06:02:33,040 --> 06:02:35,840
>> but all of the things that concerned me

8587
06:02:35,840 --> 06:02:38,558
were evident. Eric respon Derek

8588
06:02:38,558 --> 06:02:41,200
responded as soon as I I posted about

8589
06:02:41,200 --> 06:02:44,240
it. Thank you. But at the same time,

8590
06:02:44,240 --> 06:02:47,040
being there and seeing how there was not

8591
06:02:47,040 --> 06:02:49,680
enough backup. He he wasn't there

8592
06:02:49,680 --> 06:02:51,200
because he was dealing with crisis

8593
06:02:51,200 --> 06:02:54,558
operation. But it that was just the

8594
06:02:54,558 --> 06:02:56,000
juggling and when you're in the middle

8595
06:02:56,000 --> 06:02:57,200
of juggling.

8596
06:02:57,200 --> 06:02:57,680
>> Yeah.

8597
06:02:57,680 --> 06:02:59,600
>> It doesn't matter what your finances are

8598
06:02:59,600 --> 06:03:02,718
if staff capacity and things it can all

8599
06:03:02,718 --> 06:03:04,000
they can all fall.

8600
06:03:04,000 --> 06:03:05,760
>> Absolutely. And that's where having that

8601
06:03:05,760 --> 06:03:06,480
experience

8602
06:03:06,480 --> 06:03:07,360
>> with them. Yeah.

8603
06:03:07,360 --> 06:03:08,958
>> Right. We have another festival that

8604
06:03:08,958 --> 06:03:10,558
we're like

8605
06:03:10,558 --> 06:03:12,798
>> once we show up how many people Yeah.

8606
06:03:12,798 --> 06:03:13,200
>> Yeah.

8607
06:03:13,200 --> 06:03:15,600
>> Okay. So I think uh Utah Arts Festival's

8608
06:03:15,600 --> 06:03:17,520
next on deck for the second one for

8609
06:03:17,520 --> 06:03:20,080
multi Amanda

8610
06:03:20,080 --> 06:03:21,200
change some

8611
06:03:21,200 --> 06:03:22,878
>> Oh yeah. Did anyone change their scores?

8612
06:03:22,878 --> 06:03:24,480
We need to look at that for

8613
06:03:24,480 --> 06:03:26,080
>> I

8614
06:03:26,080 --> 06:03:27,040
know.

8615
06:03:27,040 --> 06:03:31,440
>> Okay. Thank you. Thank you Rita and for

8616
06:03:31,440 --> 06:03:34,000
that. Appreciate that. Um Utah Arts

8617
06:03:34,000 --> 06:03:37,680
Festival. That's me. So actually this is

8618
06:03:37,680 --> 06:03:40,718
another one. second time.

8619
06:03:40,718 --> 06:03:41,920
I think there's a couple I

8620
06:03:41,920 --> 06:03:44,852
>> there's only 22 applicants in fair

8621
06:03:44,852 --> 06:03:45,600
[laughter]

8622
06:03:45,600 --> 06:03:47,440
and you're there for six years getting

8623
06:03:47,440 --> 06:03:48,160
four years.

8624
06:03:48,160 --> 06:03:50,092
>> That's when you know your time is up.

8625
06:03:50,092 --> 06:03:51,040
[laughter]

8626
06:03:51,040 --> 06:03:53,360
Do the math.

8627
06:03:53,360 --> 06:03:57,680
>> So yes. So I

8628
06:03:57,680 --> 06:04:01,360
um just there were a number of issues I

8629
06:04:01,360 --> 06:04:03,040
think four years ago when I did this.

8630
06:04:03,040 --> 06:04:05,440
There were issues last year. Uh I think

8631
06:04:05,440 --> 06:04:06,558
we talked about some of the

8632
06:04:06,558 --> 06:04:09,120
environmental things of it.

8633
06:04:09,120 --> 06:04:12,878
>> I went uh and I took my wife this time

8634
06:04:12,878 --> 06:04:16,000
too. So I actually spent two days there.

8635
06:04:16,000 --> 06:04:16,400
>> Oh.

8636
06:04:16,400 --> 06:04:18,240
>> Which was a surprise because I've been

8637
06:04:18,240 --> 06:04:20,638
before and I usually couldn't I couldn't

8638
06:04:20,638 --> 06:04:23,680
tolerate it because it was so hot.

8639
06:04:23,680 --> 06:04:24,160
>> Yeah. [laughter]

8640
06:04:24,160 --> 06:04:26,638
>> You know, so hot. But but it was so

8641
06:04:26,638 --> 06:04:28,958
intriguing the performances that I did

8642
06:04:28,958 --> 06:04:32,878
meet um the executive uh Amy and uh a

8643
06:04:32,878 --> 06:04:35,280
couple of the board members. They have

8644
06:04:35,280 --> 06:04:37,040
done a reasonably good job of

8645
06:04:37,040 --> 06:04:38,718
geographic. I think two of the board

8646
06:04:38,718 --> 06:04:40,240
members, one was from Cottonwood Heights

8647
06:04:40,240 --> 06:04:42,000
and and the other one I forgot where

8648
06:04:42,000 --> 06:04:45,040
from, but but um

8649
06:04:45,040 --> 06:04:48,798
as a once a year event, they have

8650
06:04:48,798 --> 06:04:50,638
opportunities and struggles because

8651
06:04:50,638 --> 06:04:53,120
there's the year round awareness of this

8652
06:04:53,120 --> 06:04:56,958
50-year thing is is hard. Also, you

8653
06:04:56,958 --> 06:04:58,878
know, there's a lot of competition. So,

8654
06:04:58,878 --> 06:05:00,480
I'm agreeing with pretty much here, but

8655
06:05:00,480 --> 06:05:01,760
I'm just highlighting some things.

8656
06:05:01,760 --> 06:05:04,240
There's a lot of competition for events

8657
06:05:04,240 --> 06:05:06,718
and the cultural opportunities in Utah.

8658
06:05:06,718 --> 06:05:08,798
When they started 50 years ago, Salt

8659
06:05:08,798 --> 06:05:11,280
Lake City was it, right? And so, you go

8660
06:05:11,280 --> 06:05:13,440
there. Now, you've got so much

8661
06:05:13,440 --> 06:05:15,040
competition. You've got the Sandy

8662
06:05:15,040 --> 06:05:18,000
Amphitheater, you've got uh Mountain

8663
06:05:18,000 --> 06:05:20,160
America, whatever that is. I mean,

8664
06:05:20,160 --> 06:05:22,400
there's lots of places. So, how do they

8665
06:05:22,400 --> 06:05:24,798
stay relevant? They have they had a

8666
06:05:24,798 --> 06:05:27,920
mixed media arts performance thing going

8667
06:05:27,920 --> 06:05:30,320
on at all these different stages. And I

8668
06:05:30,320 --> 06:05:32,320
thought they did an excellent job. It

8669
06:05:32,320 --> 06:05:35,120
kept me really intrigued. It's still hot

8670
06:05:35,120 --> 06:05:37,760
as hell. Um, I think that they could

8671
06:05:37,760 --> 06:05:39,920
have some fans and some blowers there to

8672
06:05:39,920 --> 06:05:41,280
create some breeze because there was

8673
06:05:41,280 --> 06:05:44,400
zero breeze. Also, public lighting is a

8674
06:05:44,400 --> 06:05:46,558
problem because the bathroom areas were

8675
06:05:46,558 --> 06:05:48,080
in the dark when you're there in the

8676
06:05:48,080 --> 06:05:50,558
evening. There's also the sound stages

8677
06:05:50,558 --> 06:05:52,480
overlap with each other, so you're

8678
06:05:52,480 --> 06:05:54,718
getting all this sound. They've done a

8679
06:05:54,718 --> 06:05:56,798
great job. They collaborated with a lot

8680
06:05:56,798 --> 06:05:58,240
of different organizations. They found

8681
06:05:58,240 --> 06:06:00,320
these like local family groups to do

8682
06:06:00,320 --> 06:06:02,240
musical performances from other parts of

8683
06:06:02,240 --> 06:06:04,080
the county. They collaborate with

8684
06:06:04,080 --> 06:06:06,160
SpyHop. They had the Salt Lake acting

8685
06:06:06,160 --> 06:06:08,558
company there. They had Ry Woodbury.

8686
06:06:08,558 --> 06:06:10,000
They had the different dance groups

8687
06:06:10,000 --> 06:06:12,400
there. And then they had this eclectic

8688
06:06:12,400 --> 06:06:14,878
uh mix of artists and other things. They

8689
06:06:14,878 --> 06:06:16,718
sort of what do you call those scenes?

8690
06:06:16,718 --> 06:06:18,080
Uh

8691
06:06:18,080 --> 06:06:19,760
>> performing artists climbing down the

8692
06:06:19,760 --> 06:06:21,360
side of the library and they

8693
06:06:21,360 --> 06:06:22,638
>> Yeah. Performance artists.

8694
06:06:22,638 --> 06:06:25,600
>> Performance artist.

8695
06:06:25,600 --> 06:06:29,120
It's like so to sole kind of activities,

8696
06:06:29,120 --> 06:06:30,878
>> weird things. You walk around and then

8697
06:06:30,878 --> 06:06:32,400
you come across these weird things and

8698
06:06:32,400 --> 06:06:34,480
there's really nothing else like it

8699
06:06:34,480 --> 06:06:36,240
>> and then the musical bands, you know,

8700
06:06:36,240 --> 06:06:38,080
they had these thematic things and then

8701
06:06:38,080 --> 06:06:40,480
they but they they did a really good

8702
06:06:40,480 --> 06:06:43,200
job. They also point and I was I was

8703
06:06:43,200 --> 06:06:44,878
surprised by the financial health

8704
06:06:44,878 --> 06:06:46,400
because

8705
06:06:46,400 --> 06:06:48,400
they had some financial struggles some

8706
06:06:48,400 --> 06:06:50,718
years ago too with COVID because you

8707
06:06:50,718 --> 06:06:52,400
know basically it's an outdoor event and

8708
06:06:52,400 --> 06:06:55,840
they basically were shut down. um they

8709
06:06:55,840 --> 06:06:59,360
had uh they they said day one they had a

8710
06:06:59,360 --> 06:07:02,080
60% increase in ticket sales you know

8711
06:07:02,080 --> 06:07:04,878
from the year before and 2025 was an

8712
06:07:04,878 --> 06:07:06,320
increase in ticket sales from the year

8713
06:07:06,320 --> 06:07:07,680
before that so I thought they were

8714
06:07:07,680 --> 06:07:09,360
pretty much up on the upswing in terms

8715
06:07:09,360 --> 06:07:12,000
of now you don't have the results

8716
06:07:12,000 --> 06:07:14,798
>> uh this year's performance I did ask Amy

8717
06:07:14,798 --> 06:07:17,680
you know and the the CFO to send me the

8718
06:07:17,680 --> 06:07:20,718
results because of the subsequent days

8719
06:07:20,718 --> 06:07:22,400
>> they didn't send it to me because I was

8720
06:07:22,400 --> 06:07:23,840
really interested in the metrics was a

8721
06:07:23,840 --> 06:07:25,360
little bit of a ding as far as I'm

8722
06:07:25,360 --> 06:07:27,280
concerned because this is their only

8723
06:07:27,280 --> 06:07:28,958
weekend and I really wanted to see their

8724
06:07:28,958 --> 06:07:30,798
numbers so I could say to them, hey,

8725
06:07:30,798 --> 06:07:32,400
they've really done well now. I hear

8726
06:07:32,400 --> 06:07:33,520
that they're having a, you know,

8727
06:07:33,520 --> 06:07:35,040
financial health, but it's from the year

8728
06:07:35,040 --> 06:07:37,920
or two before. So, I mean, I think

8729
06:07:37,920 --> 06:07:39,440
overall they've made a lot of, you know,

8730
06:07:39,440 --> 06:07:41,920
a lot of strides in their program. Uh, I

8731
06:07:41,920 --> 06:07:43,680
like this ambassador program. So,

8732
06:07:43,680 --> 06:07:45,200
they're trying to go out across the

8733
06:07:45,200 --> 06:07:47,920
whole county to connect. We talked about

8734
06:07:47,920 --> 06:07:49,760
>> Is that actually in operation? I felt

8735
06:07:49,760 --> 06:07:51,440
like it was in development at the time

8736
06:07:51,440 --> 06:07:52,798
of the application. I think they've

8737
06:07:52,798 --> 06:07:54,718
already started it and I you know I

8738
06:07:54,718 --> 06:07:56,798
encourage them to join other arts groups

8739
06:07:56,798 --> 06:07:58,798
or recruit people from other arts boards

8740
06:07:58,798 --> 06:08:01,680
and things like that so that and also

8741
06:08:01,680 --> 06:08:03,280
>> um they're trying to do some more

8742
06:08:03,280 --> 06:08:06,160
marketing for yearround awareness so

8743
06:08:06,160 --> 06:08:07,600
that they retain

8744
06:08:07,600 --> 06:08:09,840
>> so that they retain yeah they do some

8745
06:08:09,840 --> 06:08:13,040
other activities so that that uh people

8746
06:08:13,040 --> 06:08:15,040
don't forget them. They have a lot of

8747
06:08:15,040 --> 06:08:18,160
repeat visitors to it. So, what else

8748
06:08:18,160 --> 06:08:20,718
could I add to this?

8749
06:08:20,718 --> 06:08:25,990
Um,

8750
06:08:26,000 --> 06:08:28,638
» Peter, I know when I met with them, um,

8751
06:08:28,638 --> 06:08:33,840
it was with, uh, Yan, too. Um,

8752
06:08:33,840 --> 06:08:35,680
they were going to work on signage and

8753
06:08:35,680 --> 06:08:37,840
stuff like that within the festival. So,

8754
06:08:37,840 --> 06:08:39,280
that it seemed like there was a little

8755
06:08:39,280 --> 06:08:42,000
bit of when I went um, a few years back,

8756
06:08:42,000 --> 06:08:43,040
there was a little bit of confusion

8757
06:08:43,040 --> 06:08:45,760
about where things were and stuff like

8758
06:08:45,760 --> 06:08:47,600
that. I remember her mentioning that

8759
06:08:47,600 --> 06:08:49,760
when she came that just the signage like

8760
06:08:49,760 --> 06:08:51,600
where's the restrooms, where's the

8761
06:08:51,600 --> 06:08:52,718
>> It's still a little bit difficult

8762
06:08:52,718 --> 06:08:54,718
because I was trying to find water,

8763
06:08:54,718 --> 06:08:57,440
>> hydration centers, not as ubiquitous as

8764
06:08:57,440 --> 06:08:58,718
they ought to be.

8765
06:08:58,718 --> 06:09:02,320
>> Um and uh I think that they could do a

8766
06:09:02,320 --> 06:09:04,400
little bit better. This is their second

8767
06:09:04,400 --> 06:09:06,958
year. They've got tiered pricing so that

8768
06:09:06,958 --> 06:09:10,798
the VIP program was sold out.

8769
06:09:10,798 --> 06:09:12,320
um which was great because it's an

8770
06:09:12,320 --> 06:09:14,400
elevated stage that over you know

8771
06:09:14,400 --> 06:09:16,480
elevated platform that looks into the

8772
06:09:16,480 --> 06:09:17,840
main stage

8773
06:09:17,840 --> 06:09:20,160
>> and you know people are having a great

8774
06:09:20,160 --> 06:09:21,600
time in there. They're willing to pay

8775
06:09:21,600 --> 06:09:23,520
the premium prices and then that helps

8776
06:09:23,520 --> 06:09:25,680
them offset the lower pricing that

8777
06:09:25,680 --> 06:09:27,680
they've got. Um I think you're still

8778
06:09:27,680 --> 06:09:29,840
paying like $15 to $20 but it's a whole

8779
06:09:29,840 --> 06:09:32,080
day and you get you know you hear one

8780
06:09:32,080 --> 06:09:33,520
band after another.

8781
06:09:33,520 --> 06:09:35,600
>> So it's not The other thing too is I

8782
06:09:35,600 --> 06:09:37,840
took public transportation.

8783
06:09:37,840 --> 06:09:40,558
um they have an issue with UTA uh

8784
06:09:40,558 --> 06:09:42,638
coordination.

8785
06:09:42,638 --> 06:09:45,680
>> UTA was doing work on the tracks. So I

8786
06:09:45,680 --> 06:09:47,040
was going from Murray I was going from

8787
06:09:47,040 --> 06:09:48,638
Murray Central. I could not get down

8788
06:09:48,638 --> 06:09:50,480
there. I had to get off the bus and this

8789
06:09:50,480 --> 06:09:52,798
and that. And then from a public safety

8790
06:09:52,798 --> 06:09:54,480
standpoint, they had these juveniles

8791
06:09:54,480 --> 06:09:57,440
just intimidating everybody on the car.

8792
06:09:57,440 --> 06:10:00,080
>> So and you know I I went and spoke to I

8793
06:10:00,080 --> 06:10:02,000
went and spoke to the workers there.

8794
06:10:02,000 --> 06:10:03,200
They said basically there's nothing we

8795
06:10:03,200 --> 06:10:05,600
can do. So, you know, access and there's

8796
06:10:05,600 --> 06:10:07,360
no parking down there around the arts

8797
06:10:07,360 --> 06:10:08,320
festival.

8798
06:10:08,320 --> 06:10:10,080
>> So, that's another issue. You know, the

8799
06:10:10,080 --> 06:10:11,840
only way you really really want to go is

8800
06:10:11,840 --> 06:10:13,600
through public transportation. And I

8801
06:10:13,600 --> 06:10:15,760
said that was fairly intimidating to to

8802
06:10:15,760 --> 06:10:17,120
deal with that,

8803
06:10:17,120 --> 06:10:18,400
>> you know. So,

8804
06:10:18,400 --> 06:10:20,718
>> what score did you give it?

8805
06:10:20,718 --> 06:10:28,230
>> What was your

8806
06:10:28,240 --> 06:10:29,440
» 12?

8807
06:10:29,440 --> 06:10:31,600
>> Anybody else have comments? So, I went

8808
06:10:31,600 --> 06:10:34,480
this year on Sunday morning. I was

8809
06:10:34,480 --> 06:10:35,840
disappointed.

8810
06:10:35,840 --> 06:10:38,480
>> Yeah.

8811
06:10:38,480 --> 06:10:40,558
>> I've never found water. There were signs

8812
06:10:40,558 --> 06:10:42,320
for it everywhere.

8813
06:10:42,320 --> 06:10:43,040
Um,

8814
06:10:43,040 --> 06:10:44,080
>> it wasn't where they were supposed to

8815
06:10:44,080 --> 06:10:44,240
be.

8816
06:10:44,240 --> 06:10:45,760
>> I never found any. Actually, never saw

8817
06:10:45,760 --> 06:10:46,160
it.

8818
06:10:46,160 --> 06:10:47,200
>> Wow.

8819
06:10:47,200 --> 06:10:49,600
>> Um, I if you're not into the bands,

8820
06:10:49,600 --> 06:10:51,280
there's not much going on since 10 to

8821
06:10:51,280 --> 06:10:53,040
noon or noon to 2. I can't which what it

8822
06:10:53,040 --> 06:10:54,638
was, but basically didn't open I stayed

8823
06:10:54,638 --> 06:10:57,360
for a couple hours. Um, if you weren't

8824
06:10:57,360 --> 06:10:59,440
into the few bands or like little small

8825
06:10:59,440 --> 06:11:01,360
like poetry things or whatever they were

8826
06:11:01,360 --> 06:11:02,878
doing, there was only like a few of them

8827
06:11:02,878 --> 06:11:04,480
going. If you weren't into those, there

8828
06:11:04,480 --> 06:11:05,920
was nothing else to do there.

8829
06:11:05,920 --> 06:11:07,360
>> This is on Sunday. You

8830
06:11:07,360 --> 06:11:09,440
>> This was Sunday. Um, you can walk around

8831
06:11:09,440 --> 06:11:11,120
and look at the art, but it's too

8832
06:11:11,120 --> 06:11:12,240
costly.

8833
06:11:12,240 --> 06:11:13,600
>> And I make it I don't make a horrible

8834
06:11:13,600 --> 06:11:15,040
paycheck. I don't make a great paycheck.

8835
06:11:15,040 --> 06:11:16,798
>> These are the vendors you went to work.

8836
06:11:16,798 --> 06:11:19,600
>> And then it's like the vendors are

8837
06:11:19,600 --> 06:11:21,680
supposed to be an art festival. There's

8838
06:11:21,680 --> 06:11:23,760
a space for lots of space for vendors,

8839
06:11:23,760 --> 06:11:25,680
but their spaces are so small that you

8840
06:11:25,680 --> 06:11:27,360
don't feel like you can go in and look

8841
06:11:27,360 --> 06:11:29,600
at the items. You have to do it from the

8842
06:11:29,600 --> 06:11:32,798
outside because you're blocking someone.

8843
06:11:32,798 --> 06:11:34,958
I didn't understand the vendor flow. I

8844
06:11:34,958 --> 06:11:36,638
didn't know if it was like sculpturing

8845
06:11:36,638 --> 06:11:37,600
separate from the

8846
06:11:37,600 --> 06:11:39,520
>> Well, yeah. I was thinking like even in

8847
06:11:39,520 --> 06:11:42,240
the vendors for the So like was it this

8848
06:11:42,240 --> 06:11:43,920
type of art or this type of art? Was it

8849
06:11:43,920 --> 06:11:46,638
youth art? Was it pottery? I I could not

8850
06:11:46,638 --> 06:11:48,160
figure it out

8851
06:11:48,160 --> 06:11:50,480
>> anywhere. And then when I crossed the

8852
06:11:50,480 --> 06:11:52,718
street to go to uh over by the library

8853
06:11:52,718 --> 06:11:56,160
side, um it was just this line. It was

8854
06:11:56,160 --> 06:11:58,480
like dead and like it just the flow was

8855
06:11:58,480 --> 06:12:00,558
not good. Signage looked like it had

8856
06:12:00,558 --> 06:12:02,480
been for multiple years of regeneration.

8857
06:12:02,480 --> 06:12:04,160
So it was like almost like three three

8858
06:12:04,160 --> 06:12:05,840
colors or brands or fonts were there.

8859
06:12:05,840 --> 06:12:09,680
And so I was like, okay, is this signage

8860
06:12:09,680 --> 06:12:11,200
like supposed to be for here or is this

8861
06:12:11,200 --> 06:12:13,440
the construction signage? So like they

8862
06:12:13,440 --> 06:12:14,558
had signs about something about

8863
06:12:14,558 --> 06:12:16,240
Leonardo. And I was like, I don't I

8864
06:12:16,240 --> 06:12:18,000
don't really know what that means. So, I

8865
06:12:18,000 --> 06:12:19,520
didn't think like like the safety unit

8866
06:12:19,520 --> 06:12:22,160
or anything, but I have to I'd be honest

8867
06:12:22,160 --> 06:12:24,638
I I haven't been in a long time. I I was

8868
06:12:24,638 --> 06:12:29,040
just like um I did not think the name

8869
06:12:29,040 --> 06:12:30,558
was representative. I struggled. I

8870
06:12:30,558 --> 06:12:32,798
almost like because I was just like,

8871
06:12:32,798 --> 06:12:33,440
>> "Oh, wow.

8872
06:12:33,440 --> 06:12:36,638
>> It's this is this so the the gentleman

8873
06:12:36,638 --> 06:12:40,160
who started it is um Mayor Wilson's dad,

8874
06:12:40,160 --> 06:12:41,600
>> right? He was the mayor of Salt Lake

8875
06:12:41,600 --> 06:12:43,760
City. He was a mentor for a long time

8876
06:12:43,760 --> 06:12:44,958
when I was at Governor's Mansion when I

8877
06:12:44,958 --> 06:12:47,200
was with Andre at Governor's Mansion.

8878
06:12:47,200 --> 06:12:49,680
>> Sorry man M mansion governor's office.

8879
06:12:49,680 --> 06:12:51,600
>> Um he was a mentor for me

8880
06:12:51,600 --> 06:12:54,160
>> and he's in a great humans and to it was

8881
06:12:54,160 --> 06:12:55,760
really hard to to take him. Anyway,

8882
06:12:55,760 --> 06:12:56,798
that's personal story but okay.

8883
06:12:56,798 --> 06:12:57,200
>> Wow.

8884
06:12:57,200 --> 06:12:59,120
>> So the other thing I thought was that I

8885
06:12:59,120 --> 06:13:01,200
haven't never been to DIY fest right and

8886
06:13:01,200 --> 06:13:03,040
that's that's um

8887
06:13:03,040 --> 06:13:04,000
>> Craft Lake City.

8888
06:13:04,000 --> 06:13:05,280
>> Yeah.

8889
06:13:05,280 --> 06:13:06,958
>> Hated this

8890
06:13:06,958 --> 06:13:08,958
>> was an art fest. I don't know if you've

8891
06:13:08,958 --> 06:13:10,558
been. Mhm. [clears throat]

8892
06:13:10,558 --> 06:13:12,000
>> My mom went

8893
06:13:12,000 --> 06:13:12,878
>> crazy

8894
06:13:12,878 --> 06:13:14,000
>> festival.

8895
06:13:14,000 --> 06:13:14,480
>> Really?

8896
06:13:14,480 --> 06:13:18,160
>> Our grantees were there.

8897
06:13:18,160 --> 06:13:22,230
>> DIY fest.

8898
06:13:22,240 --> 06:13:25,200
» It was everything was free and

8899
06:13:25,200 --> 06:13:27,520
everything was interactive

8900
06:13:27,520 --> 06:13:30,480
>> and all the booths were so organized by

8901
06:13:30,480 --> 06:13:31,600
things,

8902
06:13:31,600 --> 06:13:35,600
>> wide spaces, um, uh, things you could

8903
06:13:35,600 --> 06:13:38,000
afford. like people had shopping bags.

8904
06:13:38,000 --> 06:13:39,600
Uh we're at arts festival. No one had

8905
06:13:39,600 --> 06:13:41,520
anything had shopping bags. I I was

8906
06:13:41,520 --> 06:13:43,680
blown away. Uh

8907
06:13:43,680 --> 06:13:45,120
>> I had to write them an email right away

8908
06:13:45,120 --> 06:13:46,958
when I got in because I was so pleased

8909
06:13:46,958 --> 06:13:49,440
with it. So for me and and I know I'm

8910
06:13:49,440 --> 06:13:51,360
not a voting board member, but I felt

8911
06:13:51,360 --> 06:13:53,200
>> Where was that base?

8912
06:13:53,200 --> 06:13:55,440
>> It was at uh the state fair.

8913
06:13:55,440 --> 06:13:55,840
>> Yeah.

8914
06:13:55,840 --> 06:13:57,920
>> And they had every age demographic was

8915
06:13:57,920 --> 06:14:00,080
identified. Um, again, I was blown away.

8916
06:14:00,080 --> 06:14:01,600
The amount of free things and the amount

8917
06:14:01,600 --> 06:14:03,920
of interaction there was was you didn't

8918
06:14:03,920 --> 06:14:05,280
buy a damn thing and you could spend.

8919
06:14:05,280 --> 06:14:06,878
>> Did anybody else go to the arts festival

8920
06:14:06,878 --> 06:14:08,558
this year?

8921
06:14:08,558 --> 06:14:10,718
>> I just went

8922
06:14:10,718 --> 06:14:12,878
last year and it was family.

8923
06:14:12,878 --> 06:14:13,760
>> I did not.

8924
06:14:13,760 --> 06:14:15,840
>> It had always been a family thing, but

8925
06:14:15,840 --> 06:14:19,040
the cost and the offerings were just

8926
06:14:19,040 --> 06:14:22,320
prohibitive. We just decided not to.

8927
06:14:22,320 --> 06:14:24,558
Like I can compare and I know we're out

8928
06:14:24,558 --> 06:14:26,480
of time but we had the Westside Culture

8929
06:14:26,480 --> 06:14:29,360
Fest here just a week and a half ago and

8930
06:14:29,360 --> 06:14:30,798
I can tell you the people who came to

8931
06:14:30,798 --> 06:14:36,320
that Westside Culture Fest were in love with what happened here because

8932
06:14:36,320 --> 06:14:39,440
all the vendors would actually say my

8933
06:14:39,440 --> 06:14:42,558
like art $5 to $50. So people knew that

8934
06:14:42,558 --> 06:14:44,320
they could walk in and get something for

8935
06:14:44,320 --> 06:14:47,760
$5 to $50. They um so many of the

8936
06:14:47,760 --> 06:14:49,520
vendors this was their first year. It's

8937
06:14:49,520 --> 06:14:51,360
been here three years now, I believe.

8938
06:14:51,360 --> 06:14:52,958
And they're like, I'm coming back. This

8939
06:14:52,958 --> 06:14:53,440
is great.

8940
06:14:53,440 --> 06:14:54,638
>> I admit, I didn't really think about

8941
06:14:54,638 --> 06:14:56,558
that, but all their all everything they

8942
06:14:56,558 --> 06:14:57,920
sold there at the festival was

8943
06:14:57,920 --> 06:14:58,718
expensive.

8944
06:14:58,718 --> 06:15:01,520
>> Yes. And so people here were like, oh my

8945
06:15:01,520 --> 06:15:03,120
gosh, I could go to an arts festival

8946
06:15:03,120 --> 06:15:05,920
that's free. All three stages are going

8947
06:15:05,920 --> 06:15:07,920
at all the time, right? All these really

8948
06:15:07,920 --> 06:15:11,280
cool things from 4:30 to 10:30. and

8949
06:15:11,280 --> 06:15:13,440
Friday night because there was a huge

8950
06:15:13,440 --> 06:15:15,280
storm expected to be right over here

8951
06:15:15,280 --> 06:15:17,200
about six o'clock only like people my

8952
06:15:17,200 --> 06:15:19,920
age were tending to brave it but we all

8953
06:15:19,920 --> 06:15:21,360
showed up and I swear I was telling

8954
06:15:21,360 --> 06:15:23,680
Kelsey I think their Friday night needs

8955
06:15:23,680 --> 06:15:26,400
to be an adults only from like 7:30 to

8956
06:15:26,400 --> 06:15:29,520
10:30 because we were all having the

8957
06:15:29,520 --> 06:15:31,920
time of our lives here and to have

8958
06:15:31,920 --> 06:15:34,080
something that's not only family centric

8959
06:15:34,080 --> 06:15:35,600
right like Saturday can be your family

8960
06:15:35,600 --> 06:15:37,600
day but to have a place for adults so

8961
06:15:37,600 --> 06:15:40,558
talking to people like 20 to 30 on

8962
06:15:40,558 --> 06:15:42,480
things were here with their parents on

8963
06:15:42,480 --> 06:15:44,798
date nights, right? Like the daughter

8964
06:15:44,798 --> 06:15:46,638
and son-in-law and the parents and they

8965
06:15:46,638 --> 06:15:48,638
were like, "This is the best. It is

8966
06:15:48,638 --> 06:15:51,520
free. It's in our neighborhood. We had a

8967
06:15:51,520 --> 06:15:54,320
great representation of local artists

8968
06:15:54,320 --> 06:15:55,920
selling things that we could afford. We

8969
06:15:55,920 --> 06:15:58,718
could walk away with something and

8970
06:15:58,718 --> 06:15:59,760
having met the artist

8971
06:15:59,760 --> 06:16:01,600
>> and the grantees I think were here and

8972
06:16:01,600 --> 06:16:03,200
granties were at the DIY." That was

8973
06:16:03,200 --> 06:16:04,160
really cool to see. They're bringing

8974
06:16:04,160 --> 06:16:05,520
their own community. I know we have to

8975
06:16:05,520 --> 06:16:07,040
get on. I didn't get a personal I

8976
06:16:07,040 --> 06:16:08,638
apologize for that. Does anybody want to

8977
06:16:08,638 --> 06:16:10,000
make adjustments for the Utah Arts

8978
06:16:10,000 --> 06:16:12,558
Festival? Um, do we want to bring her

8979
06:16:12,558 --> 06:16:14,638
in? But just go ahead and let's

8980
06:16:14,638 --> 06:16:17,680
>> make your score.

8981
06:16:17,680 --> 06:16:18,718
Did you say Peter?

8982
06:16:18,718 --> 06:16:20,730
>> I said 12.

8983
06:16:20,730 --> 06:16:21,120
[clears throat]

8984
06:16:21,120 --> 06:16:25,750
>> Go ahead and make your adjustments.

8985
06:16:25,760 --> 06:16:27,840
Um, and the next one

8986
06:16:27,840 --> 06:16:29,600
>> exciting for Rita. Look at her. She

8987
06:16:29,600 --> 06:16:30,958
can't wait to get

8988
06:16:30,958 --> 06:16:33,680
>> Utah presents. And that's Rita.

8989
06:16:33,680 --> 06:16:37,200
>> Yes. And I

8990
06:16:37,200 --> 06:16:40,480
I'm still thinking my score. I have 14,

8991
06:16:40,480 --> 06:16:43,840
but because of some recent thoughts

8992
06:16:43,840 --> 06:16:48,878
since since Yeah. So, Utah presents uh

8993
06:16:48,878 --> 06:16:51,600
they I I love their main thing is that

8994
06:16:51,600 --> 06:16:53,600
they are risktakers and in this

8995
06:16:53,600 --> 06:16:56,638
community I see that as an exceptional

8996
06:16:56,638 --> 06:16:58,400
contribution. the kind of programming,

8997
06:16:58,400 --> 06:17:00,798
the kinds of of things that they're

8998
06:17:00,798 --> 06:17:03,920
doing and presenting. Um, their stage

8999
06:17:03,920 --> 06:17:06,480
door series, which we attended, occurs

9000
06:17:06,480 --> 06:17:09,200
on the stage. It's very innovative and

9001
06:17:09,200 --> 06:17:11,200
fun. Their staff, when I went to the

9002
06:17:11,200 --> 06:17:13,840
board, we all of their staff members and

9003
06:17:13,840 --> 06:17:16,638
board members came up and wanted to chat

9004
06:17:16,638 --> 06:17:19,120
with me. They were very open. They were

9005
06:17:19,120 --> 06:17:22,160
joyous and excited about what they were

9006
06:17:22,160 --> 06:17:24,798
doing. And for me, that was different.

9007
06:17:24,798 --> 06:17:26,878
it came through in their application as

9008
06:17:26,878 --> 06:17:29,040
well that I could just sense they're

9009
06:17:29,040 --> 06:17:30,958
really committed. It was fresh. It was

9010
06:17:30,958 --> 06:17:33,520
new where some I had seen again just

9011
06:17:33,520 --> 06:17:37,280
copied and pasted from last time. Um

9012
06:17:37,280 --> 06:17:41,040
they are doing all kinds of programming.

9013
06:17:41,040 --> 06:17:43,280
The concern is again what are they doing

9014
06:17:43,280 --> 06:17:46,080
out in the community and we've talked

9015
06:17:46,080 --> 06:17:48,558
about that and they're looking for ways

9016
06:17:48,558 --> 06:17:51,360
to get get their programming out which

9017
06:17:51,360 --> 06:17:53,680
they're doing. But the way that they're

9018
06:17:53,680 --> 06:17:55,920
bringing students in and the busing is

9019
06:17:55,920 --> 06:17:58,638
huge for me that they went out. They got

9020
06:17:58,638 --> 06:18:00,798
the busing. So if they don't have

9021
06:18:00,798 --> 06:18:02,718
capacity to get out there, they're

9022
06:18:02,718 --> 06:18:05,040
actually getting them there. Uh

9023
06:18:05,040 --> 06:18:08,240
concerned and yet I felt reassured about

9024
06:18:08,240 --> 06:18:11,920
this campaign to redo Kingsbury, redo

9025
06:18:11,920 --> 06:18:14,638
the seating, which is a huge thing for

9026
06:18:14,638 --> 06:18:18,798
the community. And also to um I have say

9027
06:18:18,798 --> 06:18:21,440
a side note working on the Florence Wear

9028
06:18:21,440 --> 06:18:24,400
murals which are in there are a huge

9029
06:18:24,400 --> 06:18:26,160
part of Utah's history right now that

9030
06:18:26,160 --> 06:18:29,120
we're doing women artists in Utah. Um

9031
06:18:29,120 --> 06:18:31,360
there are still district 2 is still

9032
06:18:31,360 --> 06:18:34,320
remaining unrepresented but last night

9033
06:18:34,320 --> 06:18:37,120
they mentioned they are actively looking

9034
06:18:37,120 --> 06:18:41,200
from that. Um I think a question with

9035
06:18:41,200 --> 06:18:43,040
their volunteers.

9036
06:18:43,040 --> 06:18:45,600
It would be something they could expand

9037
06:18:45,600 --> 06:18:47,360
their volunte. There would be people

9038
06:18:47,360 --> 06:18:50,000
who'd want to do this and we weren't

9039
06:18:50,000 --> 06:18:53,680
even I wasn't even reassured asking them

9040
06:18:53,680 --> 06:18:56,320
last night about their volunteers.

9041
06:18:56,320 --> 06:18:58,000
>> I don't think they have any. I just

9042
06:18:58,000 --> 06:19:00,240
don't think they have any. day. And so

9043
06:19:00,240 --> 06:19:02,638
all of people are being paid where they

9044
06:19:02,638 --> 06:19:05,280
could get, we talked about, they could

9045
06:19:05,280 --> 06:19:07,920
really pump up their volunteer and save

9046
06:19:07,920 --> 06:19:12,000
some of those costs as well. Um, and so

9047
06:19:12,000 --> 06:19:18,400
I I think I'm comfortable with the 14,

9048
06:19:18,400 --> 06:19:22,000
but um kind of would like to do

9049
06:19:22,000 --> 06:19:24,798
somewhere in between. And so I'm going

9050
06:19:24,798 --> 06:19:27,040
to this is like down to the clock kind

9051
06:19:27,040 --> 06:19:28,240
of going back through it. But

9052
06:19:28,240 --> 06:19:30,638
>> you want 13 and a half.

9053
06:19:30,638 --> 06:19:33,120
>> If I 13 and a half is No, I think it

9054
06:19:33,120 --> 06:19:37,520
would be a more 14 and a half. And um

9055
06:19:37,520 --> 06:19:40,320
but 14 is probably with some of the

9056
06:19:40,320 --> 06:19:42,320
caveats that I just said is probably a

9057
06:19:42,320 --> 06:19:45,840
good place for them right now. For me,

9058
06:19:45,840 --> 06:19:47,760
>> last night we were talking to their

9059
06:19:47,760 --> 06:19:50,240
community outreach um person who was

9060
06:19:50,240 --> 06:19:51,840
lovely. teacher is phenomenal, so

9061
06:19:51,840 --> 06:19:54,240
enthusiastic, so great. But again,

9062
06:19:54,240 --> 06:19:56,718
similar idea that their matineese and

9063
06:19:56,718 --> 06:19:58,798
the programming that they do on site for

9064
06:19:58,798 --> 06:20:01,280
schools are first come, first serve. So

9065
06:20:01,280 --> 06:20:04,160
there's no methodology for, you know,

9066
06:20:04,160 --> 06:20:07,680
expanding access and making it more

9067
06:20:07,680 --> 06:20:09,440
equitable, bringing more people and it's

9068
06:20:09,440 --> 06:20:11,440
just whoever knows about it has the

9069
06:20:11,440 --> 06:20:14,240
advantage to be there. So that's a a

9070
06:20:14,240 --> 06:20:16,000
frustration of mine. But what I do love

9071
06:20:16,000 --> 06:20:18,480
is again the way they got creative that

9072
06:20:18,480 --> 06:20:19,920
when they're bringing in these

9073
06:20:19,920 --> 06:20:21,680
professional artists that they're

9074
06:20:21,680 --> 06:20:23,920
actually using them to do more than

9075
06:20:23,920 --> 06:20:26,000
perform. They're using them as

9076
06:20:26,000 --> 06:20:28,480
ambassadors for the art as educators

9077
06:20:28,480 --> 06:20:30,958
doing hues and a doing you know

9078
06:20:30,958 --> 06:20:32,240
workshops with kids.

9079
06:20:32,240 --> 06:20:34,798
>> Did they draw or recruit uh students

9080
06:20:34,798 --> 06:20:36,798
from high schools to perform with them?

9081
06:20:36,798 --> 06:20:38,400
They did that one when I was there. They

9082
06:20:38,400 --> 06:20:40,878
had they do have that reach up one of

9083
06:20:40,878 --> 06:20:43,280
those Marcales did

9084
06:20:43,280 --> 06:20:45,360
>> incorporated some teaching and then they

9085
06:20:45,360 --> 06:20:46,320
had them perform.

9086
06:20:46,320 --> 06:20:48,638
>> I think that dance the lenone is doing

9087
06:20:48,638 --> 06:20:51,600
the same thing. Um yeah so it is great

9088
06:20:51,600 --> 06:20:53,360
that they are looking at artists and

9089
06:20:53,360 --> 06:20:55,600
going artists are capable of doing more

9090
06:20:55,600 --> 06:20:58,320
than performing here. Yeah. And if

9091
06:20:58,320 --> 06:21:00,160
they're here we want to use their

9092
06:21:00,160 --> 06:21:03,280
expertise and and infiltrating but again

9093
06:21:03,280 --> 06:21:05,760
geographical barriers. And then when you

9094
06:21:05,760 --> 06:21:07,760
have an education program that's only

9095
06:21:07,760 --> 06:21:11,200
first come first serve,

9096
06:21:11,200 --> 06:21:13,520
how do you ever get into that system?

9097
06:21:13,520 --> 06:21:16,080
>> But do schools, you know, I mean, the

9098
06:21:16,080 --> 06:21:17,680
schools need to have skin in the game if

9099
06:21:17,680 --> 06:21:20,480
they're, you know, planning a a field

9100
06:21:20,480 --> 06:21:22,878
trip, you know? So, if they're not

9101
06:21:22,878 --> 06:21:24,958
raising their hand to make it happen,

9102
06:21:24,958 --> 06:21:26,320
you know,

9103
06:21:26,320 --> 06:21:27,680
>> you and I can have a conversation about

9104
06:21:27,680 --> 06:21:29,238
that outside. Yeah, because we had that

9105
06:21:29,238 --> 06:21:31,040
[laughter] conversation last night and I

9106
06:21:31,040 --> 06:21:32,958
was like, "Yeah, but I know from being

9107
06:21:32,958 --> 06:21:34,558
on that trip, you have to be aware and

9108
06:21:34,558 --> 06:21:36,798
get in there."

9109
06:21:36,798 --> 06:21:40,958
>> I I've noticed this in my town

9110
06:21:40,958 --> 06:21:44,480
a little bit to my chin. Not every and I

9111
06:21:44,480 --> 06:21:46,480
think this is where you're going. Some

9112
06:21:46,480 --> 06:21:49,120
of these tier twos or some of these med

9113
06:21:49,120 --> 06:21:52,160
do not really connect with the tier ones

9114
06:21:52,160 --> 06:21:54,558
and vice versa. I'd like to see more of

9115
06:21:54,558 --> 06:21:56,160
it. I would think that it's just common

9116
06:21:56,160 --> 06:21:58,080
sense to do it, but they have to have

9117
06:21:58,080 --> 06:22:00,480
some skin in the game, too. So, I think

9118
06:22:00,480 --> 06:22:02,320
that we're trying to direct some effort

9119
06:22:02,320 --> 06:22:04,558
to that more to encourage that, but it's

9120
06:22:04,558 --> 06:22:06,718
a two-way street, too, you know, to to

9121
06:22:06,718 --> 06:22:08,958
get them to do that to to get the field

9122
06:22:08,958 --> 06:22:11,040
trips to go up to because Kingsbury Hall

9123
06:22:11,040 --> 06:22:13,600
is a beautiful place, you know, to to go

9124
06:22:13,600 --> 06:22:15,360
and do that as a treat, you know, for

9125
06:22:15,360 --> 06:22:17,120
the kids, but they have to be willing to

9126
06:22:17,120 --> 06:22:19,760
do that. There's only so much that Utah

9127
06:22:19,760 --> 06:22:21,760
presents or those organizations can do

9128
06:22:21,760 --> 06:22:22,480
on their own.

9129
06:22:22,480 --> 06:22:24,480
>> Yeah. And I mean just very briefly the

9130
06:22:24,480 --> 06:22:26,080
very first step is understanding what

9131
06:22:26,080 --> 06:22:28,080
barriers exist for communities that are

9132
06:22:28,080 --> 06:22:30,798
outside of our own. Um that's just the

9133
06:22:30,798 --> 06:22:33,520
first step but anyway people

9134
06:22:33,520 --> 06:22:35,840
experimented with going out there and I

9135
06:22:35,840 --> 06:22:38,080
think that they were open to that

9136
06:22:38,080 --> 06:22:39,120
challenge of

9137
06:22:39,120 --> 06:22:39,440
>> sure

9138
06:22:39,440 --> 06:22:41,040
>> how do we not just make it first come

9139
06:22:41,040 --> 06:22:43,200
first serve but how do you expect

9140
06:22:43,200 --> 06:22:46,878
accountability from those also as well.

9141
06:22:46,878 --> 06:22:50,708
>> Any other comments

9142
06:22:50,718 --> 06:22:52,638
changes make your score So, we'll move

9143
06:22:52,638 --> 06:22:54,558
on to Salt Lake Arts Council. We've got

9144
06:22:54,558 --> 06:22:57,200
two left in 35 minutes.

9145
06:22:57,200 --> 06:22:59,280
>> Less than 35. You have four left. I

9146
06:22:59,280 --> 06:23:00,080
scored.

9147
06:23:00,080 --> 06:23:00,958
>> We have four left.

9148
06:23:00,958 --> 06:23:02,878
>> No, you have two [laughter] left.

9149
06:23:02,878 --> 06:23:07,750
>> Did you just make up two more, Dustin?

9150
06:23:07,760 --> 06:23:09,680
» We have Salt Lake Arts Council and Utah

9151
06:23:09,680 --> 06:23:12,558
Humanities. I think uh any last minute

9152
06:23:12,558 --> 06:23:14,638
adjustments to Utah presents that does

9153
06:23:14,638 --> 06:23:17,280
wrap up multi-disiplinary

9154
06:23:17,280 --> 06:23:20,558
>> and gets us the local arts agency

9155
06:23:20,558 --> 06:23:26,160
>> and oops um that is sorry

9156
06:23:26,160 --> 06:23:28,160
I mean Amanda sorry

9157
06:23:28,160 --> 06:23:32,400
>> yeah yeah yeah the next one I just like

9158
06:23:32,400 --> 06:23:37,360
>> okay um so I visited and sat in on a

9159
06:23:37,360 --> 06:23:40,480
board meeting with them um I was very

9160
06:23:40,480 --> 06:23:42,558
impressed with how aligned they are with

9161
06:23:42,558 --> 06:23:44,320
their mission. Like they really do

9162
06:23:44,320 --> 06:23:46,718
practice what they say they want to do.

9163
06:23:46,718 --> 06:23:48,878
Um they're very focused on being

9164
06:23:48,878 --> 06:23:51,040
accessible um with their like ticket

9165
06:23:51,040 --> 06:23:53,280
pricing and everything. um they did not

9166
06:23:53,280 --> 06:23:55,680
have the same issues that Red had with

9167
06:23:55,680 --> 06:23:57,680
their concert series um with ticket

9168
06:23:57,680 --> 06:23:59,920
sales and I think that's probably

9169
06:23:59,920 --> 06:24:02,480
because of the accessible pricing um

9170
06:24:02,480 --> 06:24:03,040
because [clears throat]

9171
06:24:03,040 --> 06:24:05,760
the yeah the Twilight concert and it's

9172
06:24:05,760 --> 06:24:07,520
also a great way to bring they the way

9173
06:24:07,520 --> 06:24:09,120
they they are very intentional about

9174
06:24:09,120 --> 06:24:10,320
bringing in different artists from

9175
06:24:10,320 --> 06:24:12,240
different genres introducing the people

9176
06:24:12,240 --> 06:24:14,958
to music that they might not have seen.

9177
06:24:14,958 --> 06:24:18,320
Um I like that they have really great

9178
06:24:18,320 --> 06:24:20,080
programming workshops for the artists

9179
06:24:20,080 --> 06:24:21,920
that they help. So they they provide

9180
06:24:21,920 --> 06:24:23,280
grants to the artists. They do

9181
06:24:23,280 --> 06:24:26,320
workshops. They help um kind of match up

9182
06:24:26,320 --> 06:24:28,798
artists with other artists to help

9183
06:24:28,798 --> 06:24:30,160
artists who are at different stages in

9184
06:24:30,160 --> 06:24:31,840
their careers so they can grow and learn

9185
06:24:31,840 --> 06:24:34,480
from each other. Um and they also are

9186
06:24:34,480 --> 06:24:37,760
very uh considerate about having no

9187
06:24:37,760 --> 06:24:39,360
redundancies in their programming.

9188
06:24:39,360 --> 06:24:41,920
Making sure that because there are other

9189
06:24:41,920 --> 06:24:43,840
workshops and programs that artists can

9190
06:24:43,840 --> 06:24:46,400
go to to learn about being artists. Um

9191
06:24:46,400 --> 06:24:47,840
and so they try to make sure not to have

9192
06:24:47,840 --> 06:24:50,000
an overlap with that. So, they're very

9193
06:24:50,000 --> 06:24:53,120
um effective with their resources.

9194
06:24:53,120 --> 06:24:54,958
Um they have a high retention rate with

9195
06:24:54,958 --> 06:24:57,040
their volunteers um which I was

9196
06:24:57,040 --> 06:24:58,480
impressed by. They have incentives for

9197
06:24:58,480 --> 06:25:00,480
their volunteers so they can build up

9198
06:25:00,480 --> 06:25:02,240
hours and get tickets to things and

9199
06:25:02,240 --> 06:25:06,718
events. Um and then let's see, they also

9200
06:25:06,718 --> 06:25:09,760
take their uh feedback seriously. So

9201
06:25:09,760 --> 06:25:12,400
with the with the whale um that was not

9202
06:25:12,400 --> 06:25:14,638
received very well initially, right? And

9203
06:25:14,638 --> 06:25:16,400
so and they they got a lot of feedback

9204
06:25:16,400 --> 06:25:18,320
from the community about that. So with

9205
06:25:18,320 --> 06:25:21,040
their uh more recent what's it called

9206
06:25:21,040 --> 06:25:23,120
the wake the great Salt Lake one with

9207
06:25:23,120 --> 06:25:25,280
that project uh they learned from the

9208
06:25:25,280 --> 06:25:27,920
whale and they got ahead of it. They got

9209
06:25:27,920 --> 06:25:30,798
um they spent time and money to make

9210
06:25:30,798 --> 06:25:33,040
like flyers andformational posters and

9211
06:25:33,040 --> 06:25:37,040
things um to give to the neighboring

9212
06:25:37,040 --> 06:25:38,958
areas of where that would be so that

9213
06:25:38,958 --> 06:25:40,400
people would know what's coming, what

9214
06:25:40,400 --> 06:25:42,958
it's about, the purpose. Um, and they

9215
06:25:42,958 --> 06:25:45,520
actually ended up getting not not just

9216
06:25:45,520 --> 06:25:47,200
better feedback about it, but they

9217
06:25:47,200 --> 06:25:49,440
actually gained new advocates for their

9218
06:25:49,440 --> 06:25:51,520
program through those neighborhoods.

9219
06:25:51,520 --> 06:25:53,440
Some people like didn't know what it

9220
06:25:53,440 --> 06:25:54,878
was, didn't know who they were, and now

9221
06:25:54,878 --> 06:25:58,958
they are um active advocates for

9222
06:25:58,958 --> 06:26:00,958
that project, which was received really

9223
06:26:00,958 --> 06:26:03,920
well um from what I understand. Um, so

9224
06:26:03,920 --> 06:26:07,440
that was impressive. um their

9225
06:26:07,440 --> 06:26:10,798
uh struggles. They did have a big budget

9226
06:26:10,798 --> 06:26:14,400
cut. Um I forget if it was a cut that

9227
06:26:14,400 --> 06:26:15,200
already happened or [clears throat] that

9228
06:26:15,200 --> 06:26:18,000
they are anticipating. Um their strategy

9229
06:26:18,000 --> 06:26:19,280
for that is very straightforward. They

9230
06:26:19,280 --> 06:26:21,120
are actually cutting some programming as

9231
06:26:21,120 --> 06:26:22,958
far as I know. Um from last time I

9232
06:26:22,958 --> 06:26:24,798
talked to them, they are cutting buser

9233
06:26:24,798 --> 06:26:27,680
fest and the acoustic troll. I know.

9234
06:26:27,680 --> 06:26:28,080
>> I know.

9235
06:26:28,080 --> 06:26:29,040
>> I loved that.

9236
06:26:29,040 --> 06:26:30,558
>> I know. But I was like, you know, that's

9237
06:26:30,558 --> 06:26:33,120
a very realistic just if we can't afford

9238
06:26:33,120 --> 06:26:34,878
it, we're going to just cut these

9239
06:26:34,878 --> 06:26:36,320
smaller programs. They're going to keep

9240
06:26:36,320 --> 06:26:37,760
their large ones like the like the

9241
06:26:37,760 --> 06:26:39,120
Twilight and the Living Traditions,

9242
06:26:39,120 --> 06:26:40,638
which is an amazing

9243
06:26:40,638 --> 06:26:42,798
>> festival that they do every year um has

9244
06:26:42,798 --> 06:26:44,718
grown a lot. So, I thought that was very

9245
06:26:44,718 --> 06:26:45,520
just

9246
06:26:45,520 --> 06:26:48,240
>> they just where they need to um and they

9247
06:26:48,240 --> 06:26:49,440
grow where they

9248
06:26:49,440 --> 06:26:51,120
>> where they feel is important. Um it

9249
06:26:51,120 --> 06:26:52,878
seems like they have their priorities

9250
06:26:52,878 --> 06:26:55,120
really lined up well and their

9251
06:26:55,120 --> 06:26:57,040
strategies are really lined up well and

9252
06:26:57,040 --> 06:27:00,000
yeah, very mission driven. Um, I gave

9253
06:27:00,000 --> 06:27:03,910
them a 13.

9254
06:27:03,920 --> 06:27:04,400
Yes.

9255
06:27:04,400 --> 06:27:06,160
>> What was your thought about the entity,

9256
06:27:06,160 --> 06:27:08,558
the being Salt Lake City entity being

9257
06:27:08,558 --> 06:27:10,240
tier one?

9258
06:27:10,240 --> 06:27:11,840
>> Um,

9259
06:27:11,840 --> 06:27:12,718
I don't know.

9260
06:27:12,718 --> 06:27:14,000
>> It's identified as a

9261
06:27:14,000 --> 06:27:14,638
>> Yes.

9262
06:27:14,638 --> 06:27:17,760
>> That who

9263
06:27:17,760 --> 06:27:20,080
>> was the concern with that? Well, I I

9264
06:27:20,080 --> 06:27:21,680
made the comment about it being the

9265
06:27:21,680 --> 06:27:23,840
quasi governmental agency in the sense

9266
06:27:23,840 --> 06:27:25,920
that they are restricted by ordinance

9267
06:27:25,920 --> 06:27:27,360
that their board members have to come

9268
06:27:27,360 --> 06:27:28,798
from Salt Lake City and all their

9269
06:27:28,798 --> 06:27:31,840
programming has to be in Salt Lake City.

9270
06:27:31,840 --> 06:27:34,240
>> And so is that conflicting with this

9271
06:27:34,240 --> 06:27:37,440
mission when you say we are designated

9272
06:27:37,440 --> 06:27:41,040
to only be run by and serving within a

9273
06:27:41,040 --> 06:27:43,040
particular municipality?

9274
06:27:43,040 --> 06:27:45,120
I don't know. It's a question. the team

9275
06:27:45,120 --> 06:27:46,558
talked about all of your feedback so

9276
06:27:46,558 --> 06:27:48,558
that we could try to be figure a couple

9277
06:27:48,558 --> 06:27:50,160
things out. Couple things uh regarding

9278
06:27:50,160 --> 06:27:54,400
that is um tier one uh in code still

9279
06:27:54,400 --> 06:27:57,680
says local arts agencies. So local arts

9280
06:27:57,680 --> 06:28:00,400
agencies. So so as you know West Valley

9281
06:28:00,400 --> 06:28:02,080
was one and so I'm sure they have the

9282
06:28:02,080 --> 06:28:04,160
same mandate, right? So it is hard for

9283
06:28:04,160 --> 06:28:05,280
board members to think about it that

9284
06:28:05,280 --> 06:28:07,360
way. But again we do allow that

9285
06:28:07,360 --> 06:28:10,080
discipline into tier one. It is things

9286
06:28:10,080 --> 06:28:11,120
the other thing we thought about is

9287
06:28:11,120 --> 06:28:14,000
sorry is um is if we got data from them

9288
06:28:14,000 --> 06:28:15,200
again we want to get better to get you

9289
06:28:15,200 --> 06:28:16,718
the data you want and not just numbers

9290
06:28:16,718 --> 06:28:18,718
but information is if we asked them for

9291
06:28:18,718 --> 06:28:20,558
zip code data I imagine they would kill

9292
06:28:20,558 --> 06:28:22,240
everybody of their community here on the

9293
06:28:22,240 --> 06:28:24,000
amount of draw they get from other zip

9294
06:28:24,000 --> 06:28:25,680
codes outside their own including places

9295
06:28:25,680 --> 06:28:27,520
like Idaho and Wyoming not not that we

9296
06:28:27,520 --> 06:28:29,040
want that but we sure love those visitor

9297
06:28:29,040 --> 06:28:31,040
tax dollars for zap right um and so

9298
06:28:31,040 --> 06:28:32,000
that's the kind of things we thought

9299
06:28:32,000 --> 06:28:33,840
about like how does that work well do

9300
06:28:33,840 --> 06:28:35,280
allow the local agencies so it's almost

9301
06:28:35,280 --> 06:28:37,200
like the policy itself has a conflict

9302
06:28:37,200 --> 06:28:38,718
sort of Okay.

9303
06:28:38,718 --> 06:28:43,360
>> So to that then Sandy's arts group,

9304
06:28:43,360 --> 06:28:45,520
>> you know, any of this municipal arts

9305
06:28:45,520 --> 06:28:46,798
group could apply to tier one.

9306
06:28:46,798 --> 06:28:49,840
>> It's a 501c3. They can't So like Murray,

9307
06:28:49,840 --> 06:28:51,840
uh, Murray is an example of one that's

9308
06:28:51,840 --> 06:28:53,520
still a city, right? But if they would

9309
06:28:53,520 --> 06:28:56,160
spin out and do a 501c3, y'all would be

9310
06:28:56,160 --> 06:28:57,840
able to recognize them as a tier one. It

9311
06:28:57,840 --> 06:28:59,200
wouldn't be the city. But you're right,

9312
06:28:59,200 --> 06:29:00,798
it has that really deep connection.

9313
06:29:00,798 --> 06:29:02,638
>> So it's not an exception for Salt Lake

9314
06:29:02,638 --> 06:29:03,440
City. It's

9315
06:29:03,440 --> 06:29:05,600
>> No, no, it's their 501c3. Yeah, but

9316
06:29:05,600 --> 06:29:07,920
their 501c3. It doesn't

9317
06:29:07,920 --> 06:29:10,638
>> Did anyone attend their symphony of

9318
06:29:10,638 --> 06:29:14,320
disappearing sounds? The great it is was

9319
06:29:14,320 --> 06:29:16,160
off the charts amazing. I can't tell you

9320
06:29:16,160 --> 06:29:18,638
what an experience was and the crowd.

9321
06:29:18,638 --> 06:29:26,160
>> Where was that host? It was um Olafar Elias of Berlin uh artist from

9322
06:29:26,160 --> 06:29:29,040
Berlin was commissioned to do a a great

9323
06:29:29,040 --> 06:29:32,240
Salt Lake public art project. It was in

9324
06:29:32,240 --> 06:29:34,160
the City Creek

9325
06:29:34,160 --> 06:29:37,440
>> City Creek Park

9326
06:29:37,440 --> 06:29:40,638
four evenings or a week. Um

9327
06:29:40,638 --> 06:29:43,520
>> it was a projected sphere. There was a

9328
06:29:43,520 --> 06:29:48,320
sphere on which um light and uh images

9329
06:29:48,320 --> 06:29:51,600
were projected and then they gathered

9330
06:29:51,600 --> 06:29:53,440
sounds from the great Salt Lake bird

9331
06:29:53,440 --> 06:29:57,920
sounds of um of uh

9332
06:29:57,920 --> 06:29:59,760
>> brine flies flying around

9333
06:29:59,760 --> 06:30:00,400
>> really

9334
06:30:00,400 --> 06:30:03,520
>> and it was the most cool immersive

9335
06:30:03,520 --> 06:30:06,718
community thing I've seen with with

9336
06:30:06,718 --> 06:30:10,478
large crowds built a lot of momentum uh

9337
06:30:10,478 --> 06:30:12,240
over social media and a lot of

9338
06:30:12,240 --> 06:30:13,600
excitement

9339
06:30:13,600 --> 06:30:15,680
It was easily accessible. I bought I

9340
06:30:15,680 --> 06:30:17,280
signed up for a ticket for, you know,

9341
06:30:17,280 --> 06:30:18,558
saying I was going to go and then I

9342
06:30:18,558 --> 06:30:20,958
couldn't go, but it was easily it was

9343
06:30:20,958 --> 06:30:22,000
all over the place.

9344
06:30:22,000 --> 06:30:22,958
>> Yeah,

9345
06:30:22,958 --> 06:30:26,160
>> Kelsey went amazing. I mean, that brings

9346
06:30:26,160 --> 06:30:29,200
international attention to something.

9347
06:30:29,200 --> 06:30:31,360
That was that was huge.

9348
06:30:31,360 --> 06:30:34,240
>> Anyone adjusting their scores on that

9349
06:30:34,240 --> 06:30:35,840
council?

9350
06:30:35,840 --> 06:30:38,320
So, we move on to the humanities. The

9351
06:30:38,320 --> 06:30:44,868
last one

9352
06:30:44,878 --> 06:30:46,958
I guess Amy, you're you're to recuse

9353
06:30:46,958 --> 06:30:48,080
yourself.

9354
06:30:48,080 --> 06:30:49,760
>> She doesn't have to recuse yourself.

9355
06:30:49,760 --> 06:30:51,360
>> Just

9356
06:30:51,360 --> 06:30:52,878
I participated.

9357
06:30:52,878 --> 06:30:54,400
>> Oh, no recusal. Okay.

9358
06:30:54,400 --> 06:30:56,320
>> No recusal. It's not a conflict. It's

9359
06:30:56,320 --> 06:30:58,000
just a perceived conflict.

9360
06:30:58,000 --> 06:31:00,638
>> But um yes, I tried to be careful with

9361
06:31:00,638 --> 06:31:03,280
this one because I

9362
06:31:03,280 --> 06:31:05,360
>> I knew that I would be want to relate to

9363
06:31:05,360 --> 06:31:10,638
what they do and I think it's I've never

9364
06:31:10,638 --> 06:31:12,240
looked at that many organiz I've never

9365
06:31:12,240 --> 06:31:14,080
seen an organization like this the stuff

9366
06:31:14,080 --> 06:31:15,840
that they do and my first contact with

9367
06:31:15,840 --> 06:31:18,958
the executive director Jody was at the

9368
06:31:18,958 --> 06:31:20,320
cultural center

9369
06:31:20,320 --> 06:31:25,600
>> in west uh and I just was able to speak

9370
06:31:25,600 --> 06:31:28,400
with her and his name's Michael the

9371
06:31:28,400 --> 06:31:30,638
director there and be able to walk

9372
06:31:30,638 --> 06:31:33,120
around the Smithsonian exhibit and just

9373
06:31:33,120 --> 06:31:35,520
ask her questions about how Utah

9374
06:31:35,520 --> 06:31:37,280
Humanities really works where they get

9375
06:31:37,280 --> 06:31:39,920
their funding, how they support how they

9376
06:31:39,920 --> 06:31:41,440
do

9377
06:31:41,440 --> 06:31:44,638
support museums, her her staff. So I got

9378
06:31:44,638 --> 06:31:46,478
it was great and then we went and

9379
06:31:46,478 --> 06:31:49,280
listened to a event that they that was

9380
06:31:49,280 --> 06:31:52,240
there for people to share their stories

9381
06:31:52,240 --> 06:31:54,638
and so that was my introduction and then

9382
06:31:54,638 --> 06:31:56,240
I was able to participate in the

9383
06:31:56,240 --> 06:31:58,798
executive committee meeting online and

9384
06:31:58,798 --> 06:32:02,638
then a 10p person staff meeting. So I

9385
06:32:02,638 --> 06:32:06,320
show up and each one of them shared what

9386
06:32:06,320 --> 06:32:09,360
they did and I want to go work for them.

9387
06:32:09,360 --> 06:32:11,280
It was just amazing. I was just like,

9388
06:32:11,280 --> 06:32:14,558
"Oh my gosh." And and they're just it

9389
06:32:14,558 --> 06:32:18,000
that the EQ in that room was incredible

9390
06:32:18,000 --> 06:32:20,080
and it's a good thing because it's

9391
06:32:20,080 --> 06:32:23,520
complicated what they do. and uh just

9392
06:32:23,520 --> 06:32:26,478
you know describing okay sometimes

9393
06:32:26,478 --> 06:32:29,280
someone from Moab might not know that

9394
06:32:29,280 --> 06:32:31,200
when a Smithsonian exhibit comes through

9395
06:32:31,200 --> 06:32:33,040
there they might want to dig some stuff

9396
06:32:33,040 --> 06:32:35,520
out of their little museum basement and

9397
06:32:35,520 --> 06:32:37,680
have their museum specialist go down

9398
06:32:37,680 --> 06:32:40,080
there and have them [clears throat]

9399
06:32:40,080 --> 06:32:42,558
bring the culture out alongside the

9400
06:32:42,558 --> 06:32:45,760
Smithsonian and share the educational

9401
06:32:45,760 --> 06:32:47,760
programs they do for people who maybe

9402
06:32:47,760 --> 06:32:49,200
didn't have a chance to go to college

9403
06:32:49,200 --> 06:32:51,040
really don't understand what humanities

9404
06:32:51,040 --> 06:32:56,000
is uh her venture program in prisons and

9405
06:32:56,000 --> 06:32:58,638
just the variety of things that they do

9406
06:32:58,638 --> 06:33:01,920
to be able to have a concrete mission

9407
06:33:01,920 --> 06:33:05,200
like they do and do project do things

9408
06:33:05,200 --> 06:33:07,920
well without being spread too I mean I'm

9409
06:33:07,920 --> 06:33:11,120
sure they're spread thin uh but 100% of

9410
06:33:11,120 --> 06:33:13,920
their programs are free uh looks like

9411
06:33:13,920 --> 06:33:17,440
they're very high on the list with um

9412
06:33:17,440 --> 06:33:21,040
see 16 out of 22 municipalities are

9413
06:33:21,040 --> 06:33:22,878
represented.

9414
06:33:22,878 --> 06:33:24,798
Uh

9415
06:33:24,798 --> 06:33:26,958
just voices that again that word

9416
06:33:26,958 --> 06:33:29,520
empowerment, voices that would not be

9417
06:33:29,520 --> 06:33:32,718
heard or even even know about it if it

9418
06:33:32,718 --> 06:33:35,520
wasn't them. I I know I think it was

9419
06:33:35,520 --> 06:33:37,680
Peter that reviewed them last year. Just

9420
06:33:37,680 --> 06:33:39,680
sometimes people don't know who they are

9421
06:33:39,680 --> 06:33:42,400
and the nature of what they do is behind

9422
06:33:42,400 --> 06:33:44,638
the scenes and

9423
06:33:44,638 --> 06:33:46,080
it's just a really important

9424
06:33:46,080 --> 06:33:48,000
organization. I I know there was it was

9425
06:33:48,000 --> 06:33:51,280
scary there where they uh had the

9426
06:33:51,280 --> 06:33:52,798
funding scare with

9427
06:33:52,798 --> 06:33:54,080
>> Yeah.

9428
06:33:54,080 --> 06:33:56,878
>> Yes. And I I got the low down on that

9429
06:33:56,878 --> 06:33:59,200
and trying to you know they have board a

9430
06:33:59,200 --> 06:34:01,680
board retreat every year

9431
06:34:01,680 --> 06:34:04,000
>> and they were talking about one of the

9432
06:34:04,000 --> 06:34:06,240
meetings just how they're I wanted to go

9433
06:34:06,240 --> 06:34:07,760
just sounded like so much fun. You know

9434
06:34:07,760 --> 06:34:09,600
they just the way that they work

9435
06:34:09,600 --> 06:34:12,798
together to make this organization what

9436
06:34:12,798 --> 06:34:16,160
it is is very cool. regular in-person

9437
06:34:16,160 --> 06:34:17,920
meetings. Some of the executive

9438
06:34:17,920 --> 06:34:19,760
committee meetings are online because

9439
06:34:19,760 --> 06:34:23,760
people live in very far away locations.

9440
06:34:23,760 --> 06:34:28,240
But I um I did write a reservation. I'd

9441
06:34:28,240 --> 06:34:30,478
worry a little because some of the staff

9442
06:34:30,478 --> 06:34:32,718
are so specialized

9443
06:34:32,718 --> 06:34:34,638
how they I think they do try to

9444
06:34:34,638 --> 06:34:36,400
communicate with when they do if they

9445
06:34:36,400 --> 06:34:40,160
have to replace somebody. But wow. So

9446
06:34:40,160 --> 06:34:44,868
>> I um I gave them

9447
06:34:44,878 --> 06:34:47,040
let's see

9448
06:34:47,040 --> 06:34:51,750
I gave them a four for purpose

9449
06:34:51,760 --> 06:34:54,478
and a three for organ organizational

9450
06:34:54,478 --> 06:34:57,120
stability

9451
06:34:57,120 --> 06:35:00,160
because it's complicated. Uh revenue

9452
06:35:00,160 --> 06:35:02,958
sources are complicated. Um engagement

9453
06:35:02,958 --> 06:35:04,878
public benefits strong. I think they

9454
06:35:04,878 --> 06:35:07,200
could they could do more. They're the

9455
06:35:07,200 --> 06:35:09,040
only I don't think there's any other

9456
06:35:09,040 --> 06:35:10,638
humanities group like them. So,

9457
06:35:10,638 --> 06:35:13,360
>> what was your overall?

9458
06:35:13,360 --> 06:35:15,920
>> Non Financial Capital I gave them to

9459
06:35:15,920 --> 06:35:17,680
just because overall

9460
06:35:17,680 --> 06:35:18,558
>> kind of insecure.

9461
06:35:18,558 --> 06:35:19,280
>> What was your overall?

9462
06:35:19,280 --> 06:35:21,040
>> Uh yeah, I know you're asking that

9463
06:35:21,040 --> 06:35:23,200
question. What does that add up to? I

9464
06:35:23,200 --> 06:35:24,878
think it was 12.

9465
06:35:24,878 --> 06:35:26,000
>> Okay. Yeah,

9466
06:35:26,000 --> 06:35:28,000
>> this is one of the groups that um Kelsey

9467
06:35:28,000 --> 06:35:30,558
had come speak when Peter went to their

9468
06:35:30,558 --> 06:35:34,080
um the scenario planning because they

9469
06:35:34,080 --> 06:35:35,840
had that money kind of pulled out from

9470
06:35:35,840 --> 06:35:37,040
underneath them and there's so many

9471
06:35:37,040 --> 06:35:40,080
decisions that turn into that and every

9472
06:35:40,080 --> 06:35:41,920
other you know there's one in every

9473
06:35:41,920 --> 06:35:43,040
state right so there's one of these

9474
06:35:43,040 --> 06:35:44,400
groups in every single state and so they

9475
06:35:44,400 --> 06:35:45,680
all it wasn't that they could go to

9476
06:35:45,680 --> 06:35:47,200
their partner mask it was all in at the

9477
06:35:47,200 --> 06:35:49,600
same time and um the way they handled

9478
06:35:49,600 --> 06:35:51,120
that was pretty masterfully and so

9479
06:35:51,120 --> 06:35:53,600
Kelsey had them come in and speak at the

9480
06:35:53,600 --> 06:35:55,600
function that Peter went do is capacity

9481
06:35:55,600 --> 06:35:57,520
building and talk to folks about what

9482
06:35:57,520 --> 06:35:59,440
you need to be looking like and the life

9483
06:35:59,440 --> 06:36:01,120
cycle of your organization, what your

9484
06:36:01,120 --> 06:36:03,520
priorities are and to stop for a minute

9485
06:36:03,520 --> 06:36:05,520
and not be reactive as best that you

9486
06:36:05,520 --> 06:36:08,000
can. And it was really interesting to

9487
06:36:08,000 --> 06:36:10,000
hear that she hadn't done this before.

9488
06:36:10,000 --> 06:36:11,440
Like this was a surprise, a true

9489
06:36:11,440 --> 06:36:13,280
surprise. And to be able to make good

9490
06:36:13,280 --> 06:36:14,718
decisions after that, it's got to be so

9491
06:36:14,718 --> 06:36:17,040
hard. And so that there Kelsey had

9492
06:36:17,040 --> 06:36:18,400
different people. So somebody else was

9493
06:36:18,400 --> 06:36:19,760
did they do theirs in advance and she

9494
06:36:19,760 --> 06:36:21,440
did hers at the time. But she gave some

9495
06:36:21,440 --> 06:36:22,718
really good advice about future

9496
06:36:22,718 --> 06:36:24,080
thinking. Like she was like, "Listen,

9497
06:36:24,080 --> 06:36:25,520
you got to plan for good and bad. Like

9498
06:36:25,520 --> 06:36:27,520
what if you got some land given to you?

9499
06:36:27,520 --> 06:36:29,200
>> That sounds great. What about the debt,

9500
06:36:29,200 --> 06:36:31,040
the liability, the management, the

9501
06:36:31,040 --> 06:36:33,040
infrastructure, the tax like so it was

9502
06:36:33,040 --> 06:36:34,638
really cool to hear her. There was

9503
06:36:34,638 --> 06:36:36,478
someone there was another grantee and I

9504
06:36:36,478 --> 06:36:36,798
bring

9505
06:36:36,798 --> 06:36:39,360
>> so

9506
06:36:39,360 --> 06:36:41,680
riv Tom Tom Dancy came and spoke about

9507
06:36:41,680 --> 06:36:43,040
leadership that someone had been there

9508
06:36:43,040 --> 06:36:45,520
for 50 years, right? And here's this new

9509
06:36:45,520 --> 06:36:49,040
person coming from out of town. How you know get to know the community. So

9510
06:36:49,040 --> 06:36:50,478
anyway, I just wanted to mention that

9511
06:36:50,478 --> 06:36:51,840
humanities one because it was really

9512
06:36:51,840 --> 06:36:53,440
cool. Everyone was you could hear her

9513
06:36:53,440 --> 06:36:55,520
pin drop. She told her story.

9514
06:36:55,520 --> 06:36:56,000
>> I bet

9515
06:36:56,000 --> 06:36:57,760
>> she was great. She's so great. And I I

9516
06:36:57,760 --> 06:36:59,280
you know and I think I took away from

9517
06:36:59,280 --> 06:37:01,920
that a sense of as I look through these

9518
06:37:01,920 --> 06:37:04,400
applications and specifically with uh

9519
06:37:04,400 --> 06:37:07,520
organizational stability succession

9520
06:37:07,520 --> 06:37:09,360
were financial what's their scenario

9521
06:37:09,360 --> 06:37:11,760
planning orientation for these

9522
06:37:11,760 --> 06:37:14,558
contingencies because Jod complained you

9523
06:37:14,558 --> 06:37:17,120
know she expressed herself fairly

9524
06:37:17,120 --> 06:37:18,718
strongly last year when I reviewed her

9525
06:37:18,718 --> 06:37:20,160
about losing the federal funding and

9526
06:37:20,160 --> 06:37:22,080
they didn't really have an you know an

9527
06:37:22,080 --> 06:37:23,760
outlet. The other thing that I don't

9528
06:37:23,760 --> 06:37:25,920
think they really improved on was their

9529
06:37:25,920 --> 06:37:27,840
uh awareness. You know, they've been

9530
06:37:27,840 --> 06:37:29,280
around for 50 years, but they're always

9531
06:37:29,280 --> 06:37:31,360
behind the scenes. You know, the the

9532
06:37:31,360 --> 06:37:32,878
frontline organizations they're

9533
06:37:32,878 --> 06:37:34,638
supporting, but they don't have

9534
06:37:34,638 --> 06:37:36,878
anything. And I'm not suggesting this is

9535
06:37:36,878 --> 06:37:39,360
the one exception to all the tier ones

9536
06:37:39,360 --> 06:37:42,240
that I would suggest earn revenue is a

9537
06:37:42,240 --> 06:37:44,478
challenging thing for them. On the other

9538
06:37:44,478 --> 06:37:46,400
hand, they should be able to co-brand, I

9539
06:37:46,400 --> 06:37:48,798
think, to say, you know, give credit for

9540
06:37:48,798 --> 06:37:51,760
helping uh surface archives for museums

9541
06:37:51,760 --> 06:37:53,680
and things because they do that or their

9542
06:37:53,680 --> 06:37:54,958
literacy programs. You just don't know

9543
06:37:54,958 --> 06:37:57,840
who they are. So, I think they I think

9544
06:37:57,840 --> 06:37:59,520
they as an institution, they're so

9545
06:37:59,520 --> 06:38:01,520
accustomed to just being there for 50

9546
06:38:01,520 --> 06:38:04,240
years. They don't realize that there's a

9547
06:38:04,240 --> 06:38:06,000
lot of competition or competing things

9548
06:38:06,000 --> 06:38:08,000
that overlap with them and nobody really

9549
06:38:08,000 --> 06:38:09,600
knows who they are,

9550
06:38:09,600 --> 06:38:11,040
>> right? So, I don't think that they've

9551
06:38:11,040 --> 06:38:13,120
really changed that yet. We did talk

9552
06:38:13,120 --> 06:38:14,478
about that a little bit just that

9553
06:38:14,478 --> 06:38:16,638
dynamic and how that works. [laughter]

9554
06:38:16,638 --> 06:38:18,080
>> I mean I I don't know. I mean I

9555
06:38:18,080 --> 06:38:21,280
suggested Jody can you just brought to

9556
06:38:21,280 --> 06:38:24,160
you by Utah or we helped too.

9557
06:38:24,160 --> 06:38:26,080
>> Yeah I think I didn't see don't quote me

9558
06:38:26,080 --> 06:38:28,240
on this but with the Smithsonian stuff

9559
06:38:28,240 --> 06:38:29,920
you know the cultural center it wasn't

9560
06:38:29,920 --> 06:38:33,600
Utah humanities sign. So we talked about

9561
06:38:33,600 --> 06:38:35,600
>> making sure those organizations they're

9562
06:38:35,600 --> 06:38:39,440
supporting us. So note them in their

9563
06:38:39,440 --> 06:38:43,280
sign engine. But wow,

9564
06:38:43,280 --> 06:38:44,478
>> thank you.

9565
06:38:44,478 --> 06:38:46,558
>> Thanks, Amy. That's uh that's all of

9566
06:38:46,558 --> 06:38:46,958
them. So,

9567
06:38:46,958 --> 06:38:49,120
>> anybody want to change scores or change?

9568
06:38:49,120 --> 06:38:50,638
>> I just want to say too, they went way

9569
06:38:50,638 --> 06:38:52,320
out of their way just to make sure I

9570
06:38:52,320 --> 06:38:53,840
really felt at home and I understood

9571
06:38:53,840 --> 06:38:55,920
what they did and I felt like I'd known

9572
06:38:55,920 --> 06:38:56,958
them for years.

9573
06:38:56,958 --> 06:38:58,798
>> They always do. They make you leave when

9574
06:38:58,798 --> 06:39:00,478
you leave like you want to put them in

9575
06:39:00,478 --> 06:39:01,120
your

9576
06:39:01,120 --> 06:39:03,144
>> your will your personal succession

9577
06:39:03,144 --> 06:39:05,910
[laughter]

9578
06:39:05,920 --> 06:39:07,040
with them. Yeah. I'm going to donate to

9579
06:39:07,040 --> 06:39:07,840
you right now.

9580
06:39:07,840 --> 06:39:09,760
>> You know, it's a great organization.

9581
06:39:09,760 --> 06:39:12,958
>> Yeah. So, um Samantha, do we have uh

9582
06:39:12,958 --> 06:39:14,558
what should we do next? Should we talk

9583
06:39:14,558 --> 06:39:15,600
about

9584
06:39:15,600 --> 06:39:17,200
>> I was wondering there should be any

9585
06:39:17,200 --> 06:39:19,520
action items? We had some very strong

9586
06:39:19,520 --> 06:39:21,680
views about the Utah Arts Festival, for

9587
06:39:21,680 --> 06:39:23,200
example, and I don't know if there's

9588
06:39:23,200 --> 06:39:24,080
other ones that

9589
06:39:24,080 --> 06:39:25,600
>> we do have to You're right. We do have a

9590
06:39:25,600 --> 06:39:26,878
small list of things that we have to do.

9591
06:39:26,878 --> 06:39:28,320
Thank you for bringing that up. Great

9592
06:39:28,320 --> 06:39:31,360
way to put it. Um so, uh Cody has been

9593
06:39:31,360 --> 06:39:33,280
changing things on his end so he can

9594
06:39:33,280 --> 06:39:35,680
show you how everyone ran. can have a

9595
06:39:35,680 --> 06:39:36,878
little bit of discussion, I think, if

9596
06:39:36,878 --> 06:39:38,320
you want to move anything or you have

9597
06:39:38,320 --> 06:39:40,638
concerns and then you're going to give a

9598
06:39:40,638 --> 06:39:42,638
little bit of direction to us or to me

9599
06:39:42,638 --> 06:39:46,558
to um if you think critically, but if

9600
06:39:46,558 --> 06:39:49,760
you want me to impart any warning or

9601
06:39:49,760 --> 06:39:52,000
caution letters to organizations, you

9602
06:39:52,000 --> 06:39:53,120
know, I'll already do it for the failed

9603
06:39:53,120 --> 06:39:56,000
financial health test in regard to those

9604
06:39:56,000 --> 06:39:57,600
improvement plans. For the

9605
06:39:57,600 --> 06:39:59,040
organizational health letters, if you if

9606
06:39:59,040 --> 06:40:00,878
you want me to distribute any this year,

9607
06:40:00,878 --> 06:40:04,000
what those would be. And then um if

9608
06:40:04,000 --> 06:40:05,360
you're happy with your scores and the

9609
06:40:05,360 --> 06:40:06,878
direction that you've given me, you can

9610
06:40:06,878 --> 06:40:09,280
go ahead and vote on a motion to pass

9611
06:40:09,280 --> 06:40:10,558
these. And then like I said, the next

9612
06:40:10,558 --> 06:40:13,360
thing I do is we start consolidating all

9613
06:40:13,360 --> 06:40:14,558
the votes that Dustin took today in

9614
06:40:14,558 --> 06:40:16,080
this. We'll get you a copy of it. In the

9615
06:40:16,080 --> 06:40:17,600
meantime, we'll send something probably

9616
06:40:17,600 --> 06:40:19,520
Monday. The applicants will let them

9617
06:40:19,520 --> 06:40:21,680
know. Um and then we just keep you alert

9618
06:40:21,680 --> 06:40:23,360
as we get ready to go to council. I'm

9619
06:40:23,360 --> 06:40:25,600
going to let the tier 2 vote know also.

9620
06:40:25,600 --> 06:40:28,160
um deliver doesn't get approved today to

9621
06:40:28,160 --> 06:40:32,000
go into the um tier 2 pool for grant

9622
06:40:32,000 --> 06:40:34,000
funding. Uh we do need to let the tier 2

9623
06:40:34,000 --> 06:40:36,080
board know so they can expect whatever

9624
06:40:36,080 --> 06:40:37,680
is going to happen with those dynamics

9625
06:40:37,680 --> 06:40:40,000
as well. So that's about it. Just three

9626
06:40:40,000 --> 06:40:41,520
things is uh let's talk about the

9627
06:40:41,520 --> 06:40:43,120
ranking which you'll have discussion and

9628
06:40:43,120 --> 06:40:44,558
give me some direction on what you want

9629
06:40:44,558 --> 06:40:46,320
to happen and then I think you can

9630
06:40:46,320 --> 06:40:47,680
finalize with the vote. I shouldn't take

9631
06:40:47,680 --> 06:40:48,400
that long but

9632
06:40:48,400 --> 06:40:50,958
>> so we have one extra applicant for the

9633
06:40:50,958 --> 06:40:54,878
22 slots. So there's that discussion and

9634
06:40:54,878 --> 06:40:56,638
then the other is

9635
06:40:56,638 --> 06:40:57,040
>> um

9636
06:40:57,040 --> 06:40:58,080
>> you can stop sharing.

9637
06:40:58,080 --> 06:41:01,280
>> I would uh open to anybody that has a

9638
06:41:01,280 --> 06:41:03,840
particular issue with any organization.

9639
06:41:03,840 --> 06:41:05,840
I already

9640
06:41:05,840 --> 06:41:08,320
>> Utah Arts Festival came up pretty

9641
06:41:08,320 --> 06:41:10,240
vigorously some discussion about that.

9642
06:41:10,240 --> 06:41:11,840
So we can talk about that one or if

9643
06:41:11,840 --> 06:41:13,280
there's any others.

9644
06:41:13,280 --> 06:41:15,040
>> Well Cody puts this up because the only

9645
06:41:15,040 --> 06:41:16,400
question that I had about scoring that

9646
06:41:16,400 --> 06:41:17,600
y'all changed. I just want to make sure

9647
06:41:17,600 --> 06:41:19,200
this right is it's very early on. I

9648
06:41:19,200 --> 06:41:21,600
apologize, but I just want to make sure

9649
06:41:21,600 --> 06:41:23,760
Tanner dance. We had one person go up

9650
06:41:23,760 --> 06:41:25,120
and one person go down and had a

9651
06:41:25,120 --> 06:41:26,240
discussion. I want to make sure that was

9652
06:41:26,240 --> 06:41:28,478
accurate. One went up and one went down.

9653
06:41:28,478 --> 06:41:29,600
Does that sound right?

9654
06:41:29,600 --> 06:41:30,320
>> I think so.

9655
06:41:30,320 --> 06:41:31,760
>> Okay. Just want to make sure that that

9656
06:41:31,760 --> 06:41:32,320
was what

9657
06:41:32,320 --> 06:41:34,000
>> you're being surveiled.

9658
06:41:34,000 --> 06:41:36,638
>> I just want to make sure that that um

9659
06:41:36,638 --> 06:41:38,798
that I didn't it didn't have two up or

9660
06:41:38,798 --> 06:41:40,638
two down. That one just caught me off. I

9661
06:41:40,638 --> 06:41:44,160
just quick

9662
06:41:44,160 --> 06:41:45,200
>> Do [clears throat] we want to do that?

9663
06:41:45,200 --> 06:41:47,280
>> Do

9664
06:41:47,280 --> 06:41:48,862
as you wish.

9665
06:41:48,862 --> 06:41:50,638
>> [laughter]

9666
06:41:50,638 --> 06:41:53,040
>> Okay, I am ready to go ahead and share.

9667
06:41:53,040 --> 06:41:55,360
>> So, you've got our most recent that we

9668
06:41:55,360 --> 06:41:55,920
entered.

9669
06:41:55,920 --> 06:41:57,360
>> I've been updating them throughout the

9670
06:41:57,360 --> 06:41:57,680
meeting.

9671
06:41:57,680 --> 06:41:58,320
>> Okay.

9672
06:41:58,320 --> 06:42:00,240
>> So, tada.

9673
06:42:00,240 --> 06:42:02,638
>> Oh, boy.

9674
06:42:02,638 --> 06:42:03,280
>> Yep.

9675
06:42:03,280 --> 06:42:04,638
>> I'm always the one that says that. I

9676
06:42:04,638 --> 06:42:06,958
can't

9677
06:42:06,958 --> 06:42:08,240
>> when he looks at my screen at my desk,

9678
06:42:08,240 --> 06:42:09,680
he's like, "This is like a different

9679
06:42:09,680 --> 06:42:10,638
font."

9680
06:42:10,638 --> 06:42:12,240
I'm going to hide this just so that we

9681
06:42:12,240 --> 06:42:17,110
have

9682
06:42:17,120 --> 06:42:25,670
so it's sorted from the bottom. Um

9683
06:42:25,680 --> 06:42:27,120
remember this is this is what we're

9684
06:42:27,120 --> 06:42:29,120
going to give them and this is probably

9685
06:42:29,120 --> 06:42:31,120
what you want to make your decision on

9686
06:42:31,120 --> 06:42:33,360
recommendations. Uh I imagine there

9687
06:42:33,360 --> 06:42:34,878
might be an argument for this but I I

9688
06:42:34,878 --> 06:42:36,958
would probably just include everything

9689
06:42:36,958 --> 06:42:39,920
but y'all can make that decision.

9690
06:42:39,920 --> 06:42:41,760
Yeah, I mean there's not a lot we can do

9691
06:42:41,760 --> 06:42:43,520
about those financial health scores,

9692
06:42:43,520 --> 06:42:44,798
right?

9693
06:42:44,798 --> 06:42:47,360
>> So, it's just part of

9694
06:42:47,360 --> 06:42:48,638
>> even when we believe in an

9695
06:42:48,638 --> 06:42:51,680
organization's upward mobility, it is

9696
06:42:51,680 --> 06:42:53,280
what it is.

9697
06:42:53,280 --> 06:42:53,920
>> Yes.

9698
06:42:53,920 --> 06:42:56,320
>> Um and I know

9699
06:42:56,320 --> 06:42:56,718
>> Yeah.

9700
06:42:56,718 --> 06:43:00,080
>> three years with Utah Arts Festival. I

9701
06:43:00,080 --> 06:43:02,240
feel like they're continually trying to

9702
06:43:02,240 --> 06:43:04,240
do things that increase their

9703
06:43:04,240 --> 06:43:07,360
organizational performance and reach and

9704
06:43:07,360 --> 06:43:09,040
like some of this great programming with

9705
06:43:09,040 --> 06:43:12,000
their street ambassadors and how they're

9706
06:43:12,000 --> 06:43:13,440
recruiting board members. Like there's a

9707
06:43:13,440 --> 06:43:14,240
lot of things they're doing

9708
06:43:14,240 --> 06:43:16,320
organizationally, but yet it seems like

9709
06:43:16,320 --> 06:43:19,280
the festival itself

9710
06:43:19,280 --> 06:43:22,798
is dysfunctional and very fundamental

9711
06:43:22,798 --> 06:43:24,878
user experience

9712
06:43:24,878 --> 06:43:28,240
ways. I I don't know how they have

9713
06:43:28,240 --> 06:43:30,718
haven't mastered some of those

9714
06:43:30,718 --> 06:43:33,920
>> long I don't know like we're going to

9715
06:43:33,920 --> 06:43:36,878
change this but looking at it

9716
06:43:36,878 --> 06:43:38,638
>> or like like Wasach Community Gardens is

9717
06:43:38,638 --> 06:43:39,760
looking at it more.

9718
06:43:39,760 --> 06:43:40,718
>> Do you know what I mean?

9719
06:43:40,718 --> 06:43:41,440
>> Yeah.

9720
06:43:41,440 --> 06:43:44,000
>> When they change something it's not for

9721
06:43:44,000 --> 06:43:45,840
the next year but like how is this going

9722
06:43:45,840 --> 06:43:47,520
to Yeah. longevity.

9723
06:43:47,520 --> 06:43:49,760
>> It looks like you've got one exceptional

9724
06:43:49,760 --> 06:43:51,760
uh three in the top 10, three in the top

9725
06:43:51,760 --> 06:43:53,360
25

9726
06:43:53,360 --> 06:43:55,040
and you've got some upper middle. It's

9727
06:43:55,040 --> 06:43:56,320
helpful for them. I know it's not in the

9728
06:43:56,320 --> 06:43:57,520
middle, right? So, giving it more

9729
06:43:57,520 --> 06:43:58,718
definition.

9730
06:43:58,718 --> 06:43:59,840
>> Six and upper middle.

9731
06:43:59,840 --> 06:44:01,280
>> And then you've got lower middle, which

9732
06:44:01,280 --> 06:44:02,798
is about five. I think

9733
06:44:02,798 --> 06:44:03,600
>> that's four,

9734
06:44:03,600 --> 06:44:06,240
>> which are Oh, sorry. And adequate.

9735
06:44:06,240 --> 06:44:06,638
>> Yep.

9736
06:44:06,638 --> 06:44:08,320
>> Um, so we'll give them both of the

9737
06:44:08,320 --> 06:44:09,760
percentile and the adequate. We'll give

9738
06:44:09,760 --> 06:44:10,878
them both. And we'll give them the

9739
06:44:10,878 --> 06:44:13,440
definition for adequate as well.

9740
06:44:13,440 --> 06:44:14,718
>> As well as their individual scores of

9741
06:44:14,718 --> 06:44:16,000
each category, right? We'll give them

9742
06:44:16,000 --> 06:44:17,280
those

9743
06:44:17,280 --> 06:44:20,400
>> four in the bottom four and bottom 25.

9744
06:44:20,400 --> 06:44:23,440
>> So, three and bottom 10. So last year we

9745
06:44:23,440 --> 06:44:26,558
did uh four letters, three again word of

9746
06:44:26,558 --> 06:44:30,868
warning, one was a caution

9747
06:44:30,878 --> 06:44:33,914
» and

9748
06:44:33,924 --> 06:44:34,478
[laughter]

9749
06:44:34,478 --> 06:44:38,160
so tree's going to our tier 2

9750
06:44:38,160 --> 06:44:40,400
application, right? Just based on score.

9751
06:44:40,400 --> 06:44:43,760
So then we have to determine the next

9752
06:44:43,760 --> 06:44:45,360
four unless you all want to move

9753
06:44:45,360 --> 06:44:46,320
anything around or have any other

9754
06:44:46,320 --> 06:44:48,400
discussions.

9755
06:44:48,400 --> 06:44:49,760
>> I mean I don't see you there are

9756
06:44:49,760 --> 06:44:52,718
>> so I mean we have room for that. I guess

9757
06:44:52,718 --> 06:44:54,718
it just suggests three Utah should be in

9758
06:44:54,718 --> 06:44:58,000
tier two stay there. So then we have

9759
06:44:58,000 --> 06:45:00,638
enough room for everybody else. So the

9760
06:45:00,638 --> 06:45:03,280
question is do we

9761
06:45:03,280 --> 06:45:04,798
you know send improvement letters? I

9762
06:45:04,798 --> 06:45:06,400
don't know if we call them warning but

9763
06:45:06,400 --> 06:45:07,760
further

9764
06:45:07,760 --> 06:45:09,360
>> got a letter last year.

9765
06:45:09,360 --> 06:45:11,040
>> Will their letter just look the same

9766
06:45:11,040 --> 06:45:12,478
again? I mean

9767
06:45:12,478 --> 06:45:14,718
>> um I was just trying to read that again

9768
06:45:14,718 --> 06:45:15,920
something we put in place so they have

9769
06:45:15,920 --> 06:45:18,558
to take that to Matt. Um, uh, I believe

9770
06:45:18,558 --> 06:45:21,040
I I can't remember all the details, but,

9771
06:45:21,040 --> 06:45:24,320
um, we would do, um, another meeting

9772
06:45:24,320 --> 06:45:26,240
with them, and I'm assuming Matt and I

9773
06:45:26,240 --> 06:45:27,280
would bring something above, someone

9774
06:45:27,280 --> 06:45:30,798
above our head potentially. Um, and that

9775
06:45:30,798 --> 06:45:32,798
we'd have to, um, think about what it

9776
06:45:32,798 --> 06:45:35,600
means year two versus year one, right? I

9777
06:45:35,600 --> 06:45:37,200
mean, would it be something the staff

9778
06:45:37,200 --> 06:45:40,478
versus the um, the board, right?

9779
06:45:40,478 --> 06:45:42,400
>> So, Pioneer Theater, its main issues,

9780
06:45:42,400 --> 06:45:45,680
financial health or there's more to it.

9781
06:45:45,680 --> 06:45:46,958
>> The three points.

9782
06:45:46,958 --> 06:45:48,798
>> They actually were fine this year.

9783
06:45:48,798 --> 06:45:50,160
>> Yeah,

9784
06:45:50,160 --> 06:45:51,200
>> because they're their three-year

9785
06:45:51,200 --> 06:45:51,760
average.

9786
06:45:51,760 --> 06:45:54,160
>> The board scored a 10.4 with the

9787
06:45:54,160 --> 06:45:55,280
financial health test.

9788
06:45:55,280 --> 06:45:58,240
>> So that would have put them right here

9789
06:45:58,240 --> 06:45:59,920
between

9790
06:45:59,920 --> 06:46:01,600
film society. So they would have been,

9791
06:46:01,600 --> 06:46:02,878
you know, inadequate. And

9792
06:46:02,878 --> 06:46:05,200
>> so the financial kind of knocked them

9793
06:46:05,200 --> 06:46:05,600
down.

9794
06:46:05,600 --> 06:46:06,000
>> Yeah.

9795
06:46:06,000 --> 06:46:07,600
>> And then the arts festival, it sounds

9796
06:46:07,600 --> 06:46:09,280
like, well, they have a financial, but

9797
06:46:09,280 --> 06:46:11,680
there seems to be issues beyond that.

9798
06:46:11,680 --> 06:46:15,270
some of the comments.

9799
06:46:15,280 --> 06:46:16,798
» We did talk about what we would do if

9800
06:46:16,798 --> 06:46:18,400
somebody got more than one one year in a

9801
06:46:18,400 --> 06:46:19,680
row, but I don't know that we made a

9802
06:46:19,680 --> 06:46:23,600
decision. I'm not seeing a decision um

9803
06:46:23,600 --> 06:46:25,280
except for taking a caution letter to a

9804
06:46:25,280 --> 06:46:27,760
warning letter. I'm not seeing elevation

9805
06:46:27,760 --> 06:46:30,240
occurring.

9806
06:46:30,240 --> 06:46:33,360
>> But does the warning letter matter? If

9807
06:46:33,360 --> 06:46:35,440
there's never anyone that comes in to

9808
06:46:35,440 --> 06:46:37,440
take a spot, then they'll all have a

9809
06:46:37,440 --> 06:46:38,160
spot, right?

9810
06:46:38,160 --> 06:46:39,680
>> No. No. Y'all can decide what you want

9811
06:46:39,680 --> 06:46:41,200
to do.

9812
06:46:41,200 --> 06:46:42,878
We don't give any this year. We don't

9813
06:46:42,878 --> 06:46:44,080
want to give any, but everybody's

9814
06:46:44,080 --> 06:46:45,440
killing it.

9815
06:46:45,440 --> 06:46:46,958
>> You know, maybe as a pool, they're not

9816
06:46:46,958 --> 06:46:48,638
doing great. But

9817
06:46:48,638 --> 06:46:50,400
>> in general in Utah, they're killing it,

9818
06:46:50,400 --> 06:46:52,638
right? So, you call can decide,

9819
06:46:52,638 --> 06:46:54,320
>> I only want one this year, I want two,

9820
06:46:54,320 --> 06:46:56,718
or let's do the bottom 10% or whatever

9821
06:46:56,718 --> 06:46:57,200
this year.

9822
06:46:57,200 --> 06:46:58,718
>> Well, I mean, the point can be made. The

9823
06:46:58,718 --> 06:47:01,280
three that are developing, we can say

9824
06:47:01,280 --> 06:47:04,240
they're all equally developing. So, they

9825
06:47:04,240 --> 06:47:06,718
go to tier two regardless of whether

9826
06:47:06,718 --> 06:47:08,558
we've got room for them.

9827
06:47:08,558 --> 06:47:10,558
um tree Utah. Um I don't think I would

9828
06:47:10,558 --> 06:47:11,920
send a letter to unless you guys really

9829
06:47:11,920 --> 06:47:12,958
want it, but we would just give that

9830
06:47:12,958 --> 06:47:14,478
normal feedback from material board and

9831
06:47:14,478 --> 06:47:17,440
material board, right? Um P if I'm

9832
06:47:17,440 --> 06:47:19,520
looking at just the two two bottom ones.

9833
06:47:19,520 --> 06:47:22,160
We would give um the arts festival got a

9834
06:47:22,160 --> 06:47:23,520
caution letter. So maybe if you guys

9835
06:47:23,520 --> 06:47:25,200
wanted, we'd give them a warning letter.

9836
06:47:25,200 --> 06:47:26,638
Pioneer, we would give them another

9837
06:47:26,638 --> 06:47:28,878
warning letter. But again, they can't

9838
06:47:28,878 --> 06:47:30,958
fix the financials two years back, but

9839
06:47:30,958 --> 06:47:32,478
so you might want to think about that.

9840
06:47:32,478 --> 06:47:33,600
Um, I don't know if you want to elevate

9841
06:47:33,600 --> 06:47:35,440
it up or if you just want to stop there

9842
06:47:35,440 --> 06:47:37,040
or maybe we give it to Pioneers to say,

9843
06:47:37,040 --> 06:47:37,760
"Hey, until you

9844
06:47:37,760 --> 06:47:39,760
>> Maybe there's a letter of explanation of

9845
06:47:39,760 --> 06:47:41,440
their score, right?" It sounds like

9846
06:47:41,440 --> 06:47:42,638
everyone

9847
06:47:42,638 --> 06:47:44,000
>> was impressed by them this year.

9848
06:47:44,000 --> 06:47:45,680
>> They'll see all the other scores. Yeah,

9849
06:47:45,680 --> 06:47:47,600
>> I think we set up the warning and

9850
06:47:47,600 --> 06:47:51,520
caution letters specifically to

9851
06:47:51,520 --> 06:47:55,040
provide information as to

9852
06:47:55,040 --> 06:47:57,600
their like it's tied to the score,

9853
06:47:57,600 --> 06:47:59,440
right? Specifically related to the

9854
06:47:59,440 --> 06:48:01,760
score. And then they meet with you on

9855
06:48:01,760 --> 06:48:03,920
the feedback on what they can do to

9856
06:48:03,920 --> 06:48:06,558
enhance their score. And Pioneer Theater

9857
06:48:06,558 --> 06:48:07,760
Company might be like, "Well, we're

9858
06:48:07,760 --> 06:48:09,360
doing everything we can to move forward.

9859
06:48:09,360 --> 06:48:10,638
We just know that this is our history.

9860
06:48:10,638 --> 06:48:12,160
We have to wait for a year to drop off.

9861
06:48:12,160 --> 06:48:13,440
We're going to keep doing these other

9862
06:48:13,440 --> 06:48:15,600
improvements." Somebody like the Utah

9863
06:48:15,600 --> 06:48:18,000
Arts Festival might say, "Well, at one

9864
06:48:18,000 --> 06:48:19,680
point's going to drop off. What else can

9865
06:48:19,680 --> 06:48:22,240
we do to improve?" Like I look at the,

9866
06:48:22,240 --> 06:48:24,558
you know, Utah Museum of Fine Arts and

9867
06:48:24,558 --> 06:48:28,320
I'm going, you guys have been flying

9868
06:48:28,320 --> 06:48:31,200
under the radar and you're, if you are

9869
06:48:31,200 --> 06:48:34,000
not given a caution letter to be like,

9870
06:48:34,000 --> 06:48:36,000
don't send us the same application again

9871
06:48:36,000 --> 06:48:38,718
next year for four years in a row, you

9872
06:48:38,718 --> 06:48:43,360
might be at risk. So, I can see why

9873
06:48:43,360 --> 06:48:45,680
we use the objective criteria of the

9874
06:48:45,680 --> 06:48:48,958
score and just say objective criteria,

9875
06:48:48,958 --> 06:48:50,958
the bottom two get warnings, the next

9876
06:48:50,958 --> 06:48:53,280
two get caution. However you want to do

9877
06:48:53,280 --> 06:48:54,878
it because I think some of it too wasn't

9878
06:48:54,878 --> 06:48:56,478
just like a p I'm not saying you're just

9879
06:48:56,478 --> 06:48:58,080
saying it's penalizing, but I think you

9880
06:48:58,080 --> 06:48:59,360
were trying to get them to know what

9881
06:48:59,360 --> 06:49:01,200
might happen in advance so they could

9882
06:49:01,200 --> 06:49:03,360
make it before they reach the bottom.

9883
06:49:03,360 --> 06:49:04,958
>> Exactly.

9884
06:49:04,958 --> 06:49:08,000
>> Feel like Yeah, I feel like Pioneer has

9885
06:49:08,000 --> 06:49:10,000
been receptive. So I I feel like if we

9886
06:49:10,000 --> 06:49:11,520
gave them something I feel like they

9887
06:49:11,520 --> 06:49:13,280
would be that's the sense that I got

9888
06:49:13,280 --> 06:49:14,638
when we met with them.

9889
06:49:14,638 --> 06:49:17,920
>> But I think in MFA it's because I

9890
06:49:17,920 --> 06:49:19,600
haven't been here but what has been

9891
06:49:19,600 --> 06:49:21,680
their what kind of comments have they

9892
06:49:21,680 --> 06:49:22,558
had

9893
06:49:22,558 --> 06:49:23,280
>> before?

9894
06:49:23,280 --> 06:49:26,878
>> Can you verbally just give them the

9895
06:49:26,878 --> 06:49:29,120
bottoms for the last couple years?

9896
06:49:29,120 --> 06:49:30,638
Remember last year y'all had me do the

9897
06:49:30,638 --> 06:49:33,040
bottom and play

9898
06:49:33,040 --> 06:49:35,120
19 or 18 for the last five years. just

9899
06:49:35,120 --> 06:49:36,320
tell you who it was and how many times

9900
06:49:36,320 --> 06:49:37,040
they landed there.

9901
06:49:37,040 --> 06:49:39,440
>> Yes, mostly. Are they responding? Are

9902
06:49:39,440 --> 06:49:40,400
they

9903
06:49:40,400 --> 06:49:41,600
>> um I don't I don't see where they

9904
06:49:41,600 --> 06:49:44,878
landed, but um uh Cody did all

9905
06:49:44,878 --> 06:49:47,280
applicants, not just the bottom the last

9906
06:49:47,280 --> 06:49:49,760
five years. So, we could kind of see um

9907
06:49:49,760 --> 06:49:52,160
my history is that they kind of just fly

9908
06:49:52,160 --> 06:49:54,718
under somewhat under the radar um with

9909
06:49:54,718 --> 06:49:56,638
some feedback. They could do some things

9910
06:49:56,638 --> 06:49:58,958
about some feedback. Some things like

9911
06:49:58,958 --> 06:50:00,958
the parking they can't do anything about

9912
06:50:00,958 --> 06:50:03,200
parking. Um, they're kind of under the

9913
06:50:03,200 --> 06:50:05,760
radar for the most part,

9914
06:50:05,760 --> 06:50:11,898
but could tell you other ones.

9915
06:50:11,908 --> 06:50:12,798
» [snorts]

9916
06:50:12,798 --> 06:50:15,280
>> So, this may be unwarranted, but when

9917
06:50:15,280 --> 06:50:18,160
I'm seeing a couple of these are up and

9918
06:50:18,160 --> 06:50:20,558
affiliated with the University of Utah,

9919
06:50:20,558 --> 06:50:24,000
I I think it's worth it

9920
06:50:24,000 --> 06:50:26,798
to maybe I don't know if that's

9921
06:50:26,798 --> 06:50:28,478
appropriate to say something too because

9922
06:50:28,478 --> 06:50:31,360
I think they're both under the academic

9923
06:50:31,360 --> 06:50:34,080
vice president for fine arts or whatever

9924
06:50:34,080 --> 06:50:37,280
>> to say, you know, we we've seen this um

9925
06:50:37,280 --> 06:50:40,080
that it might be worth them looking

9926
06:50:40,080 --> 06:50:42,000
institution itutionally

9927
06:50:42,000 --> 06:50:44,320
at it. I

9928
06:50:44,320 --> 06:50:45,440
>> don't know.

9929
06:50:45,440 --> 06:50:50,240
>> Uh that that dean attended PTC PTC's.

9930
06:50:50,240 --> 06:50:52,878
Did they attend uh the fine arts?

9931
06:50:52,878 --> 06:50:56,718
>> Yeah. Well, she Yeah, she Yeah. And it

9932
06:50:56,718 --> 06:51:00,080
was great conversation, but I'm like,

9933
06:51:00,080 --> 06:51:01,760
where above her do they really

9934
06:51:01,760 --> 06:51:04,160
understand that they are in jeopardy?

9935
06:51:04,160 --> 06:51:06,478
And and it's like, oh, it's okay. We've

9936
06:51:06,478 --> 06:51:09,120
got these other funding sources. I just

9937
06:51:09,120 --> 06:51:11,600
how seriously they're taking this I

9938
06:51:11,600 --> 06:51:14,638
think is my my thought process.

9939
06:51:14,638 --> 06:51:15,760
>> I think they're a little they're

9940
06:51:15,760 --> 06:51:18,400
inconsistent across the years. Um before

9941
06:51:18,400 --> 06:51:20,958
they were in the upper middle um so

9942
06:51:20,958 --> 06:51:24,320
that's above 50% and then the pre in uh

9943
06:51:24,320 --> 06:51:26,878
let's see here in 20

9944
06:51:26,878 --> 06:51:30,400
um in last year previous year they were

9945
06:51:30,400 --> 06:51:33,040
in the lower middle so below 50% but not

9946
06:51:33,040 --> 06:51:36,718
that 25%. So, it is um it is they're not

9947
06:51:36,718 --> 06:51:39,280
consistent. If anything, that's what the

9948
06:51:39,280 --> 06:51:42,080
data shows.

9949
06:51:42,080 --> 06:51:43,280
>> I think it's you're getting better as

9950
06:51:43,280 --> 06:51:44,798
board members. I think you're going to

9951
06:51:44,798 --> 06:51:46,400
site this as a checklist. I think that

9952
06:51:46,400 --> 06:51:50,240
you're asking critical questions.

9953
06:51:50,240 --> 06:51:51,600
>> We're we're getting clarity hopefully

9954
06:51:51,600 --> 06:51:54,478
giving clarity. They're uh clarifying

9955
06:51:54,478 --> 06:51:56,798
the scoring criteria. I mean,

9956
06:51:56,798 --> 06:51:58,638
>> just because they have a safety net

9957
06:51:58,638 --> 06:52:01,840
doesn't mean we're responsible for

9958
06:52:01,840 --> 06:52:03,360
teaching them that they have a safety

9959
06:52:03,360 --> 06:52:05,600
net. They lose funding, they lose. You

9960
06:52:05,600 --> 06:52:07,840
know what I mean? I don't know.

9961
06:52:07,840 --> 06:52:09,360
>> The pressure is building from tier two.

9962
06:52:09,360 --> 06:52:10,878
I mean, this is two years in a row that

9963
06:52:10,878 --> 06:52:12,478
we've received pressure from tier 2.

9964
06:52:12,478 --> 06:52:14,878
People saying we think we're worthy. And

9965
06:52:14,878 --> 06:52:16,160
again, they might have to try more than

9966
06:52:16,160 --> 06:52:17,760
once. And I think the two that applied

9967
06:52:17,760 --> 06:52:19,200
last year probably going to come back in

9968
06:52:19,200 --> 06:52:20,718
the next couple years and say we think

9969
06:52:20,718 --> 06:52:24,240
we're ready now. So um help helping them

9970
06:52:24,240 --> 06:52:26,558
understand that

9971
06:52:26,558 --> 06:52:29,600
maybe they need to just um

9972
06:52:29,600 --> 06:52:32,000
I I don't know if people are sensing

9973
06:52:32,000 --> 06:52:34,080
this. I am there's a bit of a sea change

9974
06:52:34,080 --> 06:52:36,080
here in terms of these organizations. I

9975
06:52:36,080 --> 06:52:38,160
mean Utah Arts Festival which I thought

9976
06:52:38,160 --> 06:52:40,160
had improved from three or four years.

9977
06:52:40,160 --> 06:52:42,240
Some of the feedback today I learned was

9978
06:52:42,240 --> 06:52:44,478
you know not really. And

9979
06:52:44,478 --> 06:52:46,080
>> well, when you stepped out, I I was

9980
06:52:46,080 --> 06:52:47,840
making the comments about how within the

9981
06:52:47,840 --> 06:52:49,680
organization, like having the street

9982
06:52:49,680 --> 06:52:52,160
ambassador program and a number of other

9983
06:52:52,160 --> 06:52:53,360
things they're trying to do within the

9984
06:52:53,360 --> 06:52:55,600
organization that it seems like they're

9985
06:52:55,600 --> 06:52:58,000
improving, but the result is the user

9986
06:52:58,000 --> 06:53:00,000
experience at the festival itself

9987
06:53:00,000 --> 06:53:01,680
doesn't seem to be

9988
06:53:01,680 --> 06:53:03,600
>> here's here's the rub. That's the only

9989
06:53:03,600 --> 06:53:04,478
thing they do,

9990
06:53:04,478 --> 06:53:05,760
>> right? That's the only thing that they

9991
06:53:05,760 --> 06:53:06,558
measure by.

9992
06:53:06,558 --> 06:53:09,120
>> So, and then and then and then Samantha,

9993
06:53:09,120 --> 06:53:12,160
who's not a voting member, she brings up

9994
06:53:12,160 --> 06:53:14,240
fair comments that

9995
06:53:14,240 --> 06:53:16,958
you got this DYI thing that's even

9996
06:53:16,958 --> 06:53:19,280
better and I hear different things are

9997
06:53:19,280 --> 06:53:21,440
better. I said to Amy and the board, I

9998
06:53:21,440 --> 06:53:22,878
said, you know, one of your challenges

9999
06:53:22,878 --> 06:53:24,878
is your relevance

10000
06:53:24,878 --> 06:53:27,840
>> because the county has moved on and

10001
06:53:27,840 --> 06:53:30,240
you're the same Salt Lake City based

10002
06:53:30,240 --> 06:53:31,840
thing. What are you doing? And you know,

10003
06:53:31,840 --> 06:53:34,000
that's what their work has to do. So the

10004
06:53:34,000 --> 06:53:37,440
pro the the situation becomes

10005
06:53:37,440 --> 06:53:39,440
frankly based on some of the comments

10006
06:53:39,440 --> 06:53:41,360
and we've talked about this before is

10007
06:53:41,360 --> 06:53:42,958
are they going to be relevant a couple

10008
06:53:42,958 --> 06:53:46,400
years from now or or do we just say you

10009
06:53:46,400 --> 06:53:48,558
know aside from the financial health

10010
06:53:48,558 --> 06:53:50,878
issue I don't know what constructive

10011
06:53:50,878 --> 06:53:52,638
feedback to really give now you know

10012
06:53:52,638 --> 06:53:55,200
because there's some things inherently

10013
06:53:55,200 --> 06:53:57,200
perhaps that aren't working about how

10014
06:53:57,200 --> 06:53:58,958
they approach things maybe their vendors

10015
06:53:58,958 --> 06:54:01,440
are all these high-end I didn't even

10016
06:54:01,440 --> 06:54:03,920
think about that I mean All of their art

10017
06:54:03,920 --> 06:54:06,240
was hundreds, thousands of dollars. I

10018
06:54:06,240 --> 06:54:08,240
didn't really think about

10019
06:54:08,240 --> 06:54:10,160
>> other

10020
06:54:10,160 --> 06:54:11,360
and that's the way but that's the way

10021
06:54:11,360 --> 06:54:14,160
it's been. But you said artists are all

10022
06:54:14,160 --> 06:54:17,520
many of them are from

10023
06:54:17,520 --> 06:54:20,160
>> it's not in Utah. It's not

10024
06:54:20,160 --> 06:54:21,600
>> but that's the way it's always I think

10025
06:54:21,600 --> 06:54:23,440
that's the way it's always been and

10026
06:54:23,440 --> 06:54:25,200
maybe it's because of the entry. Maybe

10027
06:54:25,200 --> 06:54:28,080
that's where those artists

10028
06:54:28,080 --> 06:54:29,920
>> spend the money on their food fees and

10029
06:54:29,920 --> 06:54:30,558
that's

10030
06:54:30,558 --> 06:54:32,240
>> might

10031
06:54:32,240 --> 06:54:33,600
I'm I'm going to make some assumptions

10032
06:54:33,600 --> 06:54:34,878
conversation but you can tell me if I'm

10033
06:54:34,878 --> 06:54:36,478
wrong. I think you want the festival

10034
06:54:36,478 --> 06:54:37,840
move from a caution letter to a warning

10035
06:54:37,840 --> 06:54:38,958
letter.

10036
06:54:38,958 --> 06:54:40,798
>> Does that sound right? on the basis of

10037
06:54:40,798 --> 06:54:44,000
that what do we financial health andor

10038
06:54:44,000 --> 06:54:44,400
uh

10039
06:54:44,400 --> 06:54:47,360
>> your score and your comments I think and

10040
06:54:47,360 --> 06:54:49,120
the seriousness of their ranking among

10041
06:54:49,120 --> 06:54:51,040
their pool again is

10042
06:54:51,040 --> 06:54:53,600
>> yeah is that does that sound accurate

10043
06:54:53,600 --> 06:54:54,638
>> okay

10044
06:54:54,638 --> 06:54:56,478
>> so um

10045
06:54:56,478 --> 06:54:57,920
>> and then it's a matter of what are the

10046
06:54:57,920 --> 06:55:02,958
specific things we can help them with to really work on you know like the

10047
06:55:02,958 --> 06:55:05,440
vendor the types of vendors they have I

10048
06:55:05,440 --> 06:55:06,718
mean these are things that I

10049
06:55:06,718 --> 06:55:08,718
>> they really want to change something you

10050
06:55:08,718 --> 06:55:10,320
want we can invite Maybe one of the

10051
06:55:10,320 --> 06:55:13,520
impact program things uh potentially

10052
06:55:13,520 --> 06:55:14,718
some of it's just like you said it's

10053
06:55:14,718 --> 06:55:16,320
relevance. How do we help relevance?

10054
06:55:16,320 --> 06:55:17,360
That's something they've got to figure

10055
06:55:17,360 --> 06:55:18,798
out. That's their identity. That's I

10056
06:55:18,798 --> 06:55:19,520
don't know that we

10057
06:55:19,520 --> 06:55:21,760
>> there's a macro situation going on that

10058
06:55:21,760 --> 06:55:23,920
affects their ability to

10059
06:55:23,920 --> 06:55:26,638
>> you think you have to fix the lowhanging

10060
06:55:26,638 --> 06:55:28,000
fruit. [laughter]

10061
06:55:28,000 --> 06:55:29,200
>> Utah Arts Alliance

10062
06:55:29,200 --> 06:55:31,600
>> they refused to fix.

10063
06:55:31,600 --> 06:55:33,760
Utah Arts Alliance again I know you're

10064
06:55:33,760 --> 06:55:36,400
looking at both scores. Did you uh LA

10065
06:55:36,400 --> 06:55:38,718
again they did a financial health plan

10066
06:55:38,718 --> 06:55:41,360
um and they did had a warning letter

10067
06:55:41,360 --> 06:55:44,400
last year. Uh do you want to give them a

10068
06:55:44,400 --> 06:55:46,400
caution instead? Is that what I'm sort

10069
06:55:46,400 --> 06:55:48,000
of or do you want to keep them still

10070
06:55:48,000 --> 06:55:50,718
with that warning or nothing? I think

10071
06:55:50,718 --> 06:55:52,558
the caution would be fine because this

10072
06:55:52,558 --> 06:55:54,320
year they they weren't ding this year

10073
06:55:54,320 --> 06:55:57,680
for their FHT. It was last year, right?

10074
06:55:57,680 --> 06:56:00,160
And if they were at a 10,

10075
06:56:00,160 --> 06:56:02,160
>> what's the comment to what did they have

10076
06:56:02,160 --> 06:56:04,400
to work on? Um, we don't actually

10077
06:56:04,400 --> 06:56:06,160
specifically do that. We meet with them

10078
06:56:06,160 --> 06:56:08,558
to to go over your review with them. So,

10079
06:56:08,558 --> 06:56:10,878
like we personally go over the review

10080
06:56:10,878 --> 06:56:12,958
and say we give them your stuff and tell

10081
06:56:12,958 --> 06:56:13,680
them to be ready.

10082
06:56:13,680 --> 06:56:15,600
>> So, we would talk to them about this

10083
06:56:15,600 --> 06:56:17,120
puzzle piece of all these different

10084
06:56:17,120 --> 06:56:19,040
entities they have and we still have a

10085
06:56:19,040 --> 06:56:20,080
concerns about that.

10086
06:56:20,080 --> 06:56:22,558
>> Yeah. We actually talk through your your

10087
06:56:22,558 --> 06:56:24,080
brains. We do it for you.

10088
06:56:24,080 --> 06:56:26,080
>> It's not just the financials. You're

10089
06:56:26,080 --> 06:56:28,080
>> No, we touch on that, but that's not

10090
06:56:28,080 --> 06:56:29,360
really where we spend our time. It's

10091
06:56:29,360 --> 06:56:31,680
really that's Tory stuff and they can't.

10092
06:56:31,680 --> 06:56:33,360
Well, you would present that as comments

10093
06:56:33,360 --> 06:56:34,958
and then you wait for their feedback

10094
06:56:34,958 --> 06:56:36,718
rather than suggesting what they should

10095
06:56:36,718 --> 06:56:37,360
do about it.

10096
06:56:37,360 --> 06:56:38,478
>> What you do is we give it to them and

10097
06:56:38,478 --> 06:56:39,840
then we ask them to be prepared to

10098
06:56:39,840 --> 06:56:41,360
answer questions about it, what they're

10099
06:56:41,360 --> 06:56:42,558
trying to do or how they're going to

10100
06:56:42,558 --> 06:56:44,080
solve it and then we walk through them

10101
06:56:44,080 --> 06:56:45,680
one by one. Some sometimes they have

10102
06:56:45,680 --> 06:56:46,958
questions well what does this mean or

10103
06:56:46,958 --> 06:56:48,160
how can we work on that and then we

10104
06:56:48,160 --> 06:56:49,520
explain well when the board had the

10105
06:56:49,520 --> 06:56:51,360
conversation here was the context and

10106
06:56:51,360 --> 06:56:53,520
they go okay does that make sense?

10107
06:56:53,520 --> 06:56:56,080
>> But I mean it's like Lynette knew the

10108
06:56:56,080 --> 06:56:58,558
right questions to ask to get that back

10109
06:56:58,558 --> 06:57:00,878
out of them. So that's where I think we

10110
06:57:00,878 --> 06:57:03,840
saw it differently. I was looking from

10111
06:57:03,840 --> 06:57:05,760
staff capacity and that and you were

10112
06:57:05,760 --> 06:57:07,760
looking at the whole how have they

10113
06:57:07,760 --> 06:57:09,440
improved, what are they addressing, what

10114
06:57:09,440 --> 06:57:11,120
are they trying to do where

10115
06:57:11,120 --> 06:57:14,400
>> you know castle thing just within 90

10116
06:57:14,400 --> 06:57:15,760
days. So we do give them a minute to

10117
06:57:15,760 --> 06:57:17,360
look at the comments.

10118
06:57:17,360 --> 06:57:19,440
>> So are we um

10119
06:57:19,440 --> 06:57:22,718
>> so one caution and one warning. Uh so

10120
06:57:22,718 --> 06:57:24,240
UMFA

10121
06:57:24,240 --> 06:57:26,638
uh Discovery Gateway and Salt Lake are

10122
06:57:26,638 --> 06:57:28,400
and are kind of the two but you also

10123
06:57:28,400 --> 06:57:30,080
mentioned another university entity. So

10124
06:57:30,080 --> 06:57:33,280
what what are you thinking for UMFA

10125
06:57:33,280 --> 06:57:35,440
and just

10126
06:57:35,440 --> 06:57:37,600
way and I guess is Salt Lake acting

10127
06:57:37,600 --> 06:57:38,798
again. You don't have to. You don't have

10128
06:57:38,798 --> 06:57:39,280
to.

10129
06:57:39,280 --> 06:57:42,958
>> I don't know. I really like Salt Lake.

10130
06:57:42,958 --> 06:57:43,680
>> Yeah.

10131
06:57:43,680 --> 06:57:45,440
we do too. They're getting they're

10132
06:57:45,440 --> 06:57:48,718
getting dinged because of the old by a

10133
06:57:48,718 --> 06:57:50,240
whole point. I mean a point is a big

10134
06:57:50,240 --> 06:57:52,240
difference when people are within you

10135
06:57:52,240 --> 06:57:54,638
know 2.3 true

10136
06:57:54,638 --> 06:57:56,638
>> and so they could I think if we do it

10137
06:57:56,638 --> 06:57:58,558
just for consistency sake we might have

10138
06:57:58,558 --> 06:58:00,558
to say everybody in the bottom 25th

10139
06:58:00,558 --> 06:58:03,040
percentile gets a caution letter and

10140
06:58:03,040 --> 06:58:04,958
it'll be easy to explain to Salt Lake

10141
06:58:04,958 --> 06:58:07,760
Acting Company that we see you are like

10142
06:58:07,760 --> 06:58:10,478
the biggest hit was in your financial

10143
06:58:10,478 --> 06:58:12,718
health score that's remaining and we'll

10144
06:58:12,718 --> 06:58:15,680
probably ball off. Um, but I think if we

10145
06:58:15,680 --> 06:58:17,920
just stop at Discovery Gateway or we

10146
06:58:17,920 --> 06:58:19,920
just stop at, you know,

10147
06:58:19,920 --> 06:58:22,160
>> I think the bottom 25 down is a good

10148
06:58:22,160 --> 06:58:24,000
idea and say keep working on it. You're

10149
06:58:24,000 --> 06:58:25,440
making progress, but you have some

10150
06:58:25,440 --> 06:58:27,200
things that have to get erased.

10151
06:58:27,200 --> 06:58:28,878
>> So bottom 25.

10152
06:58:28,878 --> 06:58:32,400
>> What's the historical zap number of

10153
06:58:32,400 --> 06:58:33,760
letters that have gone out?

10154
06:58:33,760 --> 06:58:35,760
>> You guys started it last year. We did it

10155
06:58:35,760 --> 06:58:37,040
last year.

10156
06:58:37,040 --> 06:58:37,680
>> Yeah.

10157
06:58:37,680 --> 06:58:41,120
>> Before it would just be behavior, behavior. hearing all about it

10158
06:58:41,120 --> 06:58:43,440
only [laughter] so much.

10159
06:58:43,440 --> 06:58:47,200
>> I wasn't um and so now uh you you've

10160
06:58:47,200 --> 06:58:49,600
empowered us and yourselves. So, I'm

10161
06:58:49,600 --> 06:58:51,600
hearing caution letters to the bottom 25

10162
06:58:51,600 --> 06:58:54,638
except it sounds like you want Utah Arts

10163
06:58:54,638 --> 06:58:56,400
Festival to get a warning. Or do you

10164
06:58:56,400 --> 06:58:57,200
want

10165
06:58:57,200 --> 06:58:58,798
>> I think if they're the bottom 10, they

10166
06:58:58,798 --> 06:59:03,430
have to get the warning.

10167
06:59:03,440 --> 06:59:04,878
» Yeah, we might be able to apply that

10168
06:59:04,878 --> 06:59:06,638
standard all the time, but there might

10169
06:59:06,638 --> 06:59:09,120
be a time where we have like nine in the

10170
06:59:09,120 --> 06:59:11,520
bottom 25%.

10171
06:59:11,520 --> 06:59:12,958
Or you feel like they're all really

10172
06:59:12,958 --> 06:59:14,718
doing well. They just some are going to

10173
06:59:14,718 --> 06:59:15,840
be better than others. That's the thing.

10174
06:59:15,840 --> 06:59:17,280
They're all great and except for what

10175
06:59:17,280 --> 06:59:18,718
they do. But then when you put them in a

10176
06:59:18,718 --> 06:59:20,878
pool, you do have to ram them and that's

10177
06:59:20,878 --> 06:59:23,680
difficult to do. That's the issue.

10178
06:59:23,680 --> 06:59:25,200
>> It becomes a challenge for us because

10179
06:59:25,200 --> 06:59:27,840
from a consistency standpoint, if we get

10180
06:59:27,840 --> 06:59:30,000
tier 2 come, they really have their act

10181
06:59:30,000 --> 06:59:30,638
together.

10182
06:59:30,638 --> 06:59:31,520
>> Yeah.

10183
06:59:31,520 --> 06:59:33,120
>> Then we're going to end up having to

10184
06:59:33,120 --> 06:59:35,760
explain to some of these groups why they

10185
06:59:35,760 --> 06:59:36,798
couldn't be, right?

10186
06:59:36,798 --> 06:59:37,600
>> And you want to give them all the

10187
06:59:37,600 --> 06:59:38,160
warning

10188
06:59:38,160 --> 06:59:39,760
>> and we want to give them all the reasons

10189
06:59:39,760 --> 06:59:41,680
to to move up.

10190
06:59:41,680 --> 06:59:43,200
>> I mean, was community gardens came out

10191
06:59:43,200 --> 06:59:44,638
of nowhere. Yeah, it did.

10192
06:59:44,638 --> 06:59:45,920
>> Nowhere. They gave us 10.

10193
06:59:45,920 --> 06:59:47,840
>> You know what's interesting was them and

10194
06:59:47,840 --> 06:59:50,160
West Valley came in at the same time. We

10195
06:59:50,160 --> 06:59:52,718
reviewed both of them and one was

10196
06:59:52,718 --> 06:59:55,200
>> we it was a worthwhile opportunity with

10197
06:59:55,200 --> 06:59:56,878
Wasatch Community Gardens, but West

10198
06:59:56,878 --> 06:59:58,400
Valley you went through this a couple

10199
06:59:58,400 --> 07:00:00,400
times with them, right?

10200
07:00:00,400 --> 07:00:01,200
>> So,

10201
07:00:01,200 --> 07:00:03,760
>> okay. So, uh you you've given direction,

10202
07:00:03,760 --> 07:00:05,040
you've seen your scores. If you feel

10203
07:00:05,040 --> 07:00:06,958
like this is okay, we'll keep this. So,

10204
07:00:06,958 --> 07:00:08,798
you've done two. And then third thing

10205
07:00:08,798 --> 07:00:11,280
would be for y'all to uh make a motion

10206
07:00:11,280 --> 07:00:13,760
and vote on planning recommendations for

10207
07:00:13,760 --> 07:00:16,718
2027. Again, the way they get paid uh

10208
07:00:16,718 --> 07:00:18,718
2027 we would start their payments next

10209
07:00:18,718 --> 07:00:21,280
year in June and we finish it in April

10210
07:00:21,280 --> 07:00:21,920
of 28.

10211
07:00:21,920 --> 07:00:24,798
>> Okay. So that point of order. So we're

10212
07:00:24,798 --> 07:00:26,718
basically voting that essentially we're

10213
07:00:26,718 --> 07:00:28,240
going to fund all of these except for

10214
07:00:28,240 --> 07:00:29,360
tree Utah

10215
07:00:29,360 --> 07:00:31,600
>> the top 22 scores.

10216
07:00:31,600 --> 07:00:34,000
>> Right. But with the cautions except so

10217
07:00:34,000 --> 07:00:35,360
the fact that they get a caution and

10218
07:00:35,360 --> 07:00:36,558
warning doesn't mean that they don't get

10219
07:00:36,558 --> 07:00:37,840
funded. It's just correct.

10220
07:00:37,840 --> 07:00:39,360
>> Okay. So, we're not having to make that

10221
07:00:39,360 --> 07:00:41,200
distinction. And then their funding is

10222
07:00:41,200 --> 07:00:42,878
going to be based on the QE.

10223
07:00:42,878 --> 07:00:44,160
>> Yeah. Yeah. And I think I'll share that

10224
07:00:44,160 --> 07:00:45,680
with y'all uh when I we have to

10225
07:00:45,680 --> 07:00:46,958
calculate the council. Council wants to

10226
07:00:46,958 --> 07:00:48,718
see it's projections remember because we

10227
07:00:48,718 --> 07:00:50,240
have to wait for the revenue to come in.

10228
07:00:50,240 --> 07:00:51,600
But we can share that packet.

10229
07:00:51,600 --> 07:00:54,320
>> So, I'll ask for a motion. I move that

10230
07:00:54,320 --> 07:00:57,280
we recommend funding for

10231
07:00:57,280 --> 07:00:58,400
>> the top 22.

10232
07:00:58,400 --> 07:01:00,478
>> Top 22 or

10233
07:01:00,478 --> 07:01:03,840
>> without except except for Utah

10234
07:01:03,840 --> 07:01:07,430
>> plus

10235
07:01:07,440 --> 07:01:08,478
» the zoological.

10236
07:01:08,478 --> 07:01:10,000
>> Oh, sorry. Okay. I'm not I'm not going

10237
07:01:10,000 --> 07:01:11,520
to do the motion. [laughter]

10238
07:01:11,520 --> 07:01:12,400
>> No, you just did it. You

10239
07:01:12,400 --> 07:01:13,120
>> just did it.

10240
07:01:13,120 --> 07:01:14,320
>> You just did it.

10241
07:01:14,320 --> 07:01:16,160
>> Really?

10242
07:01:16,160 --> 07:01:19,040
>> So, I understood what your motion said.

10243
07:01:19,040 --> 07:01:21,680
>> So, just to clarify. Okay. There's been

10244
07:01:21,680 --> 07:01:25,360
a motion and a second to fund all 25 of

10245
07:01:25,360 --> 07:01:26,320
the

10246
07:01:26,320 --> 07:01:28,958
>> 22 plus the zoologicals,

10247
07:01:28,958 --> 07:01:30,400
>> right? You have to

10248
07:01:30,400 --> 07:01:31,120
>> we're here.

10249
07:01:31,120 --> 07:01:34,958
>> Yeah. Three zoologicals, 22 others.

10250
07:01:34,958 --> 07:01:38,160
Okay. Of the top groups. Okay. Everybody

10251
07:01:38,160 --> 07:01:39,280
vote in favor.

10252
07:01:39,280 --> 07:01:43,430
>> I Okay.

10253
07:01:43,440 --> 07:01:46,400
» Any opposed? Okay. Funding approved for

10254
07:01:46,400 --> 07:01:49,440
25 three

10255
07:01:49,440 --> 07:01:52,400
in one day. And guys, we're not

10256
07:01:52,400 --> 07:01:55,680
squirrel. We're not squirrel.

10257
07:01:55,680 --> 07:01:56,478
>> Look at you guys.

10258
07:01:56,478 --> 07:01:58,320
>> We had cookies. We had breakfast.

10259
07:01:58,320 --> 07:02:00,638
>> Such a conversion to spend 15 hours

10260
07:02:00,638 --> 07:02:02,400
within the organization and try to

10261
07:02:02,400 --> 07:02:03,520
review it in 8 minutes.

10262
07:02:03,520 --> 07:02:05,280
>> She called me grand information. Keep it

10263
07:02:05,280 --> 07:02:06,958
in your brain. [laughter]

10264
07:02:06,958 --> 07:02:08,958
>> Again, the staff, the fact that you put

10265
07:02:08,958 --> 07:02:11,680
this together made.

10266
07:02:11,680 --> 07:02:14,240
>> Yes.

10267
07:02:14,240 --> 07:02:15,120
I'll make two.

10268
07:02:15,120 --> 07:02:16,478
>> You seem to capture everybody's

10269
07:02:16,478 --> 07:02:19,360
sentiment within this because we had

10270
07:02:19,360 --> 07:02:20,400
seven.

10271
07:02:20,400 --> 07:02:23,440
>> I wanted to print it out so much.

10272
07:02:23,440 --> 07:02:26,638
I I want to make a couple comments and I think someone can call for a journ if

10273
07:02:26,638 --> 07:02:29,200
you don't mind, Mr. Um wanted me to

10274
07:02:29,200 --> 07:02:30,320
remind you that you're going to come to

10275
07:02:30,320 --> 07:02:32,958
something for us next year. Um our 30th

10276
07:02:32,958 --> 07:02:34,798
anniversary, our 30th birthday party.

10277
07:02:34,798 --> 07:02:37,280
She is planning it. The date

10278
07:02:37,280 --> 07:02:38,478
>> uh March 4th.

10279
07:02:38,478 --> 07:02:39,600
>> March 4th.

10280
07:02:39,600 --> 07:02:41,280
>> We will send you save the dates. There

10281
07:02:41,280 --> 07:02:42,638
will be former board members, current

10282
07:02:42,638 --> 07:02:45,120
board members, uh grantees. We're going

10283
07:02:45,120 --> 07:02:48,000
to try and get um Matt and obviously Rob

10284
07:02:48,000 --> 07:02:49,360
in there, but it's going to be a fun

10285
07:02:49,360 --> 07:02:50,718
event with some programs, some

10286
07:02:50,718 --> 07:02:52,718
interactive activities, uh some

10287
07:02:52,718 --> 07:02:54,080
pictures, things like that. So, please

10288
07:02:54,080 --> 07:02:55,520
March 4th, Thursday, we will send a save

10289
07:02:55,520 --> 07:02:57,040
the date. Give us another minute to to

10290
07:02:57,040 --> 07:02:58,400
secure what time we're going to hold it

10291
07:02:58,400 --> 07:03:00,320
at and maybe some other themes.

10292
07:03:00,320 --> 07:03:02,878
>> But it is our 30th anniversary. Um, and

10293
07:03:02,878 --> 07:03:05,680
then uh thank you and please continue

10294
07:03:05,680 --> 07:03:08,400
sending to Dustin uh your pictures of

10295
07:03:08,400 --> 07:03:10,000
the events that you go to, things that

10296
07:03:10,000 --> 07:03:11,680
you participate in as well. Keep on

10297
07:03:11,680 --> 07:03:13,120
asking for those free tickets and get

10298
07:03:13,120 --> 07:03:14,000
there. Get

10299
07:03:14,000 --> 07:03:15,440
>> Would you remind us when the working

10300
07:03:15,440 --> 07:03:17,200
group is getting together?

10301
07:03:17,200 --> 07:03:18,878
>> September 3rd, we're going to physically

10302
07:03:18,878 --> 07:03:20,638
get together in this room here. If you

10303
07:03:20,638 --> 07:03:21,840
want to be part of the working group,

10304
07:03:21,840 --> 07:03:23,440
>> that's 1 p.m.

10305
07:03:23,440 --> 07:03:25,680
>> 11:30 a.m.

10306
07:03:25,680 --> 07:03:28,638
Yes. Yes. But I have to do via Zoom or

10307
07:03:28,638 --> 07:03:31,040
what? That's okay. That's okay. So 10

10308
07:03:31,040 --> 07:03:31,760
September 30,

10309
07:03:31,760 --> 07:03:33,120
>> we'll get you an agenda before that

10310
07:03:33,120 --> 07:03:35,520
meeting. We'll get you draft documents.

10311
07:03:35,520 --> 07:03:37,040
Buddy's working on some things. I'm

10312
07:03:37,040 --> 07:03:38,798
working on some things. Working on

10313
07:03:38,798 --> 07:03:40,798
things to get you guys stuff. Mostly

10314
07:03:40,798 --> 07:03:42,558
it's focused on 1031. We'll be honest.

10315
07:03:42,558 --> 07:03:43,760
We're going to kind of start with that.

10316
07:03:43,760 --> 07:03:45,200
That's the bad boy that you start with

10317
07:03:45,200 --> 07:03:48,320
and then we'll kind of uh work with like

10318
07:03:48,320 --> 07:03:51,280
>> the board bylaws and the um other

10319
07:03:51,280 --> 07:03:52,878
things. Does that make sense?

10320
07:03:52,878 --> 07:03:55,120
>> September 3rd, next Thursday.

10321
07:03:55,120 --> 07:03:56,958
>> And again, that's voluntary. So far,

10322
07:03:56,958 --> 07:04:00,000
we've had two tier ones, uh, pet don,

10323
07:04:00,000 --> 07:04:01,520
and three tier twos. But you're always

10324
07:04:01,520 --> 07:04:02,718
welcome to come and just put in a

10325
07:04:02,718 --> 07:04:04,798
quorum. So, for this group, let's not go

10326
07:04:04,798 --> 07:04:06,638
up to four. Let's keep it at three. If

10327
07:04:06,638 --> 07:04:07,760
you decide to come at the last minute,

10328
07:04:07,760 --> 07:04:09,200
just call us, let us know. So, we make

10329
07:04:09,200 --> 07:04:11,600
sure it's not. Um, and then I would

10330
07:04:11,600 --> 07:04:13,120
conclude besides the thank you mentioned

10331
07:04:13,120 --> 07:04:14,878
earlier is this is Peter's last meeting

10332
07:04:14,878 --> 07:04:17,360
after six years and two terms on tier

10333
07:04:17,360 --> 07:04:19,360
one. This is his first or last meeting

10334
07:04:19,360 --> 07:04:20,400
there. Now, we'll see him at the holiday

10335
07:04:20,400 --> 07:04:21,360
party because he will come.

10336
07:04:21,360 --> 07:04:23,600
>> Yes, the holiday.

10337
07:04:23,600 --> 07:04:27,360
>> We do not. That That's the one. the five different boards or six different

10338
07:04:27,360 --> 07:04:28,958
boards. I can't remember how we have it,

10339
07:04:28,958 --> 07:04:30,478
but just thank you.

10340
07:04:30,478 --> 07:04:32,798
>> Thank you all staff and thank you for

10341
07:04:32,798 --> 07:04:35,440
this board and we've had you know some

10342
07:04:35,440 --> 07:04:36,958
changes the board but it's been really

10343
07:04:36,958 --> 07:04:38,400
rewarding to work with all of you and

10344
07:04:38,400 --> 07:04:39,680
get to know you a little bit better even

10345
07:04:39,680 --> 07:04:40,638
though we don't have that many

10346
07:04:40,638 --> 07:04:43,280
opportunities to meet but uh and thank

10347
07:04:43,280 --> 07:04:44,878
you for all your thoughtful critical

10348
07:04:44,878 --> 07:04:46,320
thinking. You made me think about a lot

10349
07:04:46,320 --> 07:04:48,400
of things so it's great. So it's a real

10350
07:04:48,400 --> 07:04:50,320
honor to be part of this group.

10351
07:04:50,320 --> 07:04:51,680
>> What kind of dance class do you want to

10352
07:04:51,680 --> 07:04:53,548
take at Amanda?

10353
07:04:53,548 --> 07:04:54,240
>> [laughter]

10354
07:04:54,240 --> 07:04:56,400
>> She's got them all. She got all the

10355
07:04:56,400 --> 07:04:56,878
styles.

10356
07:04:56,878 --> 07:04:57,600
>> Really?

10357
07:04:57,600 --> 07:04:59,360
>> Some hip-hop,

10358
07:04:59,360 --> 07:05:01,440
>> theater, jazz,

10359
07:05:01,440 --> 07:05:02,240
>> jazz hands.

10360
07:05:02,240 --> 07:05:03,360
>> Yes.

10361
07:05:03,360 --> 07:05:07,030
>> That [laughter] we've all mastered.

10362
07:05:07,040 --> 07:05:08,878
» Okay. Yeah. I make a motion to adjourn.

10363
07:05:08,878 --> 07:05:10,240
Do we have a second?

10364
07:05:10,240 --> 07:05:10,958
>> Second.

10365
07:05:10,958 --> 07:05:11,920
>> Okay.

10366
07:05:11,920 --> 07:05:13,600
>> All in favor? We are.

10367
07:05:13,600 --> 07:05:19,430
>> Yeah.

10368
07:05:19,440 --> 07:05:23,350
» Dangerbody.

10369
07:05:23,360 --> 07:05:26,958
He doesn't need more

10370
07:05:26,958 --> 07:05:29,958
code.