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gender, does anybody have any comments that we should make?

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Let's see any.

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Moving on to our consent agenda for 26 Captain Bangs Road,

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AR-26-77, make a motion.

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May 2 approve item 5A on the consent agenda?

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Second.

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All those are favorite?

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Aye.

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Chair votes aye.

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Motion passes unanimously.

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Next, we request for determination back to the lead for 21 high point drive,

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Vicki L.Weber, Trustee and David E. Burman.

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Mr. Steven Poison addition to a single family dwelling within the buffer to land subject to flooding.

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Hi, I'm Vicki Weber. This is my husband David Berman.

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I'm going to just go over the project you have before us.

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Sure, we are renovating a 1963 house that's had some awkward renovations in the past,

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and as part of that we're building a new entryway that faces the driveway,

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which we'll add about 150 square feet.

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It'll be a small mudroom with internal stairs leading up to the main floor of the house,

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which will allow us to get rid of some external deck stairs that are now used as the main entry.

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So it'll be easier and safer.

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And then as part of the due diligence around getting the permit,

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it was discovered that the FEMA flood map indicates that there is a flood zone that comes up about three quarters of the way up an 85 foot tall.

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And so the buffer for that goes to outside the bounds of the addition, which is what brings us here tonight.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Bill?

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Yeah.

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Gabby was interacting on this one and did a very nice job.

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What Vicki is saying is all correct.

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I just wanted to add in a couple of other things.

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So there was one permanent structures that we've talked about in the commission.

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Now we'll come in and roll in on good time and so on.

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I just want to pick up a couple of other things.

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I do not affect this project, but down the road, they might, so I decided to bring them up.

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So we could use dimensions in general on the project's

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Commissioner's Slope is asked for that in the past.

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Doesn't affect this particular project, but going forward.

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The impervious is only 467 square feet, so it's under the threshold for a minor stormwater

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permit, so that's great.

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And that was on the plan.

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It was a small discrepancy between the delineation date that Paul Shay provided which was 10, 21, 20, 25, and what's on the plan.

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No big deal, but that's sometimes that matters.

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Box B was not checked, so they're not asked for the delineation.

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The site plan also should include prior to habitat, but in this case the priority habitat is well downgradient of the proposed work.

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That might affect some of the other work.

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That's all I have. I would suggest approval. This one is a little tricky because it has a very unique thing

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This is a by law only jurisdiction so a positive five a positive six for the work under the by law only and a negative number three in the buffer.

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Okay.

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Move.

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Questions for the commissioners?

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No. It's hearing any of that. I get a motion.

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Move to approve a positive determination number five for the by law positive determination number six for work and by law only.

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And a negative determination number three for work in the buffer zone to land subject to flooding for the construction of an addition at 21 high point dry with standard special conditions.

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Second, all those in favor?

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Chair votes aye.

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Motion.

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All right. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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All right. Next.

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We have an announcement.

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10 for 145.

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Shabon Lane.

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Are you being jealous?

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Are you leaving?

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For the record.

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I'm John O'Reilly.

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back again with me tonight, tonight is which are any Riley from North Cross Riley.

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We met two weeks ago, the ward authorized staff to generate draft conditions which we got today.

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Theresa Spray is also on the line. She wasn't able to come in person, but she did provide a

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updated up-to-date restoration plan, which I think

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addressed the two-to-one requirement that the commission

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has for, and I also revised the plan to eliminate

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all reference to pathway, and then revise the bank

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due to delineation as it was now rated last time around.

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So with that, that's what the changes were.

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I was requested by the Commission and I'm going to leave it and turn it over to the

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little to talk about the waters.

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Thank you.

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Good evening.

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So the biggest question I have is how the ATF and paragraph number five and I haven't had

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a chance to talk to Bill about this at all.

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I've got a couple of comments that are technical for the blue flag stuff.

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Do you want me to do that later or now?

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We want to leave here for a minute.

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They applicant first.

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Thank you very much.

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So, paragraph five, talks about proposed vegetative management, including invasive control,

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associated native plantings.

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A sequence to take place after the restoration plantings have achieved 100% succession.

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And five years of annual monitoring have been submitted,

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so that means the vegetative management

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can't begin for at least five years after the day to the order,

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which Theresa Spray,

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who hopefully will be able to speak to this, is indicated that she doesn't think that

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I don't know that we have any specific objection to any of the conditions, but, you know, typically orders have a life of three years.

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I mean, this is sort of if you go on for a long time and we're not necessarily objecting to that. So much it's just wondering why the proposed legislative management can't begin.

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Now when we start all the work, why would it have to wait essentially five years?

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I had a week, you want us to talk about it, or do you want to worry about it?

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I mean, I don't personally, I don't see why they need to play it, and then wait five

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years before they can start any of the work on it.

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It was my understanding, unless I missed something last meeting, there were two issues,

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the path in the trees.

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And that was it.

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So, and this is new to me,

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two, three sacks to guarantee it.

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Whatever protocol she wants to file, it's fine with me.

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All right, I don't see why we need to make the, put the plants in, wait five years before you can start any of the.

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And base of through the shack, could you want to talk, ask Teresa, she has any input on that.

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Well, I mean, can we just remove that five year.

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Yes, you can, you can cut him taste, you can do what you want.

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You have two options. You have sort of standard, you have the ATF, which has everything that.

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All right, so why don't we turn it up as a force.

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I kept this close as possible.

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Okay, let's scratch that one out and put the regular one.

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So, five is real.

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So, everything related to that within the orders sequencing oriented would go.

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I can find all that.

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I think that that becomes more like the standard one.

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You have any other?

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I think we're objecting to the five years and the fact of waiting.

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Oh, great.

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It's embedded in a couple places and understand what you're going to do.

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Yeah, I think we're scratching that waiting the five years.

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Great.

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You know, I don't think we have any other.

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All right, Bill, is there anything else you want to go over?

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I just would like to make sure that we have a couple things on the plans

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and at least covered by the commission.

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So let me grab some notes.

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I think you can chance to share this with John.

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North Teresa, so sorry, I see the plan.

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It's just like what's not able to.

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All right, so they didn't present anything on off-site,

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rates of access, stuff for access, documentation.

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John's plan shows that the path that was previously

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shown off-site is now not going off-site.

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So we need that to be balanced out with blue flags.

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Blue flags has the walking path going off-site.

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So that would be best to have that eliminated

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because the three documents that are going to be called out in the orders will be the

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John O'Reilly Plan, the Blue Flax Plan, and then the land management narrative, so they

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should be consistent.

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So Blue Flax still has a walk ahead.

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Oh, absolutely.

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Perhaps you haven't seen the most recent Blue Flax Plan, they're following the most recent

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site plan done by John.

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The date that you have is revised August 26 and they do have some shading on this side where the path was but the path itself is not on

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There's a line I thought proposed to see nuts proposed footpath the beach it says on this

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826 I'm going to show it in a second the label is there yeah so I would see that can just get scratched out

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That's easy to be taken off so I'm having a ton of life trying to figure out what it goes

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so that would be one thing that I think maybe nobody disagrees with.

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You can correct that.

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I want you on your plan.

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Only one tiny thing.

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Under the reference to the epsilon.

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Under well-known note one.

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Yeah, I see the plan.

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The report 1114-2025, but he had two others.

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He had one on April 2, 2026, and he had an August 11, 2026.

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I think for the full delineation, it would be good to have that on there.

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No problems then.

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So, coastal weather, shelter, you check the box on, be in a while.

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I didn't see that.

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Commission, do you want that in any way, shape or form, please tell me, because if you don't,

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that's why it would be okay.

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All right.

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So let's skip down one, now down to blue flags, the plan number four, one, two, three, this one, right here, sometimes when I highlight this it messes it up, but at least I have it.

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It says invasive planets will be selectively treated with an EPA approved system at herbicide and remove a carrier by hand.

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typically the commission says cut and swipe and that's the end of it. So is that with the commission wants what they have there or they work cut and so I thought it says on our order of conditions is cut and swipe.

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We could leave this alone and then that we can not cover that under the order of conditions.

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Nobody's saying is that they're registered back and forth and continues to say fully or in several places.

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It's going to come up a couple of times, but I do agree with the chair.

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The language in one of the conditions is modified, which will modify everything, including John O'Reilly's plan and Teresa's plan.

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So, we could leave it, but I'm bringing it up.

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Okay, so it's covered in underneath.

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Okay, so we'll put that down as covered under.

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I think it's A16, I believe.

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Let me just verify.

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Yes, A6K covers that.

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Now, let's see, bullet 12 down here of B5, 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 12, 12, okay.

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Two native trees will be planted right here.

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To replace the previously cut dead trees, et cetera.

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But the table shows down here four.

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That's going to be a little confusing.

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Should that be changed to four?

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So that one gets changed to Lisa.

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Yeah.

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Number 12.

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Change to four.

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Change to three.

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All right.

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Got that one.

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So, Theresa, next thing here is,

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John O'Reilly's plan, which I'll go to now.

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Matches with the epsilon plan on the coastal banks.

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See how it closes off in here, hovering right below the word,

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and this was picked up at the last meeting. John has closed it off to match F-flon.

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Your state is open.

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But my understanding is that Jack Piccaro's F-flon is the driver here.

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So this area here she closes off.

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We'll pick the updated plan from John O'Reilly.

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Okay. You could do that, but consistency is a beautiful thing.

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And I would recommend that you get to close off.

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Yeah.

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So that's what I'm saying. We'll have to get an updated CAD file from John O'Reilly. Our plan basically uses John's plan as our base. So we might just need to update a line from John's plan. We can absolutely do that.

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Okay. Okay. The next things are, I just go through them quickly. So I'm looking at, I guess we get out of this one here. Stop the share. This is going to be fine.

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Then we'll give that to just a document, let's get you on the land management plan, here we go.

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Will remove all references to fully released on your order of conditions.

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We can do one of the two things. I can read what looks like 12 bullets.

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Or I just send them to you and you take care of them.

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Yeah, they're all in the timeline. I'm looking at them right now. I just did a quick search.

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So we can certainly change that language.

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Basically, we call it foliar spot application because we're dripping on to the folage, but we will remove that if that's what's required in your work.

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It's quite in sleep.

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All right, so there's a reference to a skid steer and paid six of this.

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This is a sense of habitat.

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There's no, there's no, the only mechanical removal would be cruning.

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And so, and that's of any existing need of vegetation

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that needs regenerative pruning.

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We need to have a note that washed up with stairs

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and fencing what we cut into pieces

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with a small sock, carried up by hand of the pat,

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loaded into a truck and disposed off site.

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But I will search, and if there's a reference

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to skid stair, we will remove it.

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Okay, so it's on that first paragraph fourth line,

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so it's right here.

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So I think we do have to clarify that we will have a brush can stationed in the driveway and in order to get the debris that's being removed from the eastern side of the coastal bank, which is the debris that was dumped over time, we're going to need to have a small skid steer in the driveway in order to load the brush can.

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in the driveway. Okay. Um, so which do you want me to clarify that in the land management plan that a small skits dare in the driveway?

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Okay. Yeah.

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To a brush can stationed in the driveway for removal.

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Yeah, guys.

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It's going with the pre-con. I would like that. It would help the agent sell out and everything coming forward. Yes. That would be great.

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Um, it's the commission of juxtapes. It's fine. Okay. Just put it in as in the driveway. That makes it a lot better.

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Okay, the chainsaw cutting down in the resource area, typically on the construction of stairs,

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the resource area is a no-no for cutting, is you're at a 50 and oftentimes at 50 to 100.

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What could be an alternative to that, or does the commission worry themselves with this?

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Well, I'll see if I've got a machine down there to remove those stairs, so I don't know if they're going to be clear.

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Very doubtful.

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they didn't know we shouldn't have caught them up and carry them up.

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Yeah. Okay.

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So carry them up?

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Okay.

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Yeah, that's what we were imagining these on not, first of all, not having access to bring equipment down there.

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And secondly, knowing the commission does not want us to bring nor do we want to bring equipment into that sensitive area.

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So we'll use the saws all, cut them into pieces very quickly, and then just until their manageable size to carry up a hand.

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Okay.

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That's fine.

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I don't know.

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All right.

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We'll cut and carry.

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All right.

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The resource series, you don't have Dune in bank under 310 CMR.

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We've called out 10.57, which is boarding land sub-defletting, not the land sub-declosed

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to storm flowage, and then I don't see chapter 172, 203, Dune, or 205 bank in the document.

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I'm sure it's compatible and he intended to be, but she's not in there.

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So, um...

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Is this on her?

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Or John O'Reilly's plan, it does.

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This is all on the blue flags.

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You know, on the blue flags plan just has to match up with John's.

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And I thought we're burning.

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Well, I'm not sure.

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Okay, I'm sorry about that.

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So, sorry.

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Yeah, we do address some of the performance standards in this particular one.

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I see that he's addressed the riverfront area in coastal beaches,

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and you want us to add the coastal dune

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And the Brewster Wetlands Regulation, this is 310CMR, and you want us to add Brewsters.

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Yeah, I can give you a list. I mean, I think it would be good to have that, you know, it isn't in there.

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It's been delineated through epsilon, but all 3 should have it.

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So, and-

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So, well, we'll include, well, we'll include B-W-R for coastal dune, and we've got coastal beach.

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When the beach goes to the storm of blow, it goes to the coastal beach and coastal bank.

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Right. I'll say you'll see you having it. You'll make it easy. It sounds like a couple of

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commissions been comfortable with a couple of things. You said the skits here in the driveway

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no problem. The saws all down in the area cutting and then carrying out no problem. Those are

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the big ones and then everything else is just housekeeping. Okay. All right.

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You put your something you want to say? No. Oh. Anybody else? Any questions or concerns?

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Not hearing any of the night, but that's well-confirm motion.

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Well, are we just double check for a second?

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Are we looking for our motion to continue our motion to close?

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Can we close?

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Can we close?

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We've got green on everything.

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I thought that was the whole thing.

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I thought that was being about to build a computer.

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The play of the new special conditions are adequate if you kill long sequence.

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Yep, okay fine.

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We're having a close.

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We're thrilled to close.

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So do you want these changes by noon on Friday?

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We can have these changes to your venue for the party.

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Okay, all right so move to close the public hearing.

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reci9, 2004, DBVB,related averp booster LLC, LEDJB Dream LLC.

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At 145 Chapman Laneveer, and instruct the conservation administrator to finalize the orders

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of conditions to include changes to the blueanka school plan and the VISTA Pop Plan as well

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changes to the plan of record by noon on Friday, the 11th Friday, September 11th,

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206.

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Yes, second.

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Follow some favorite.

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Aye.

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I've got time.

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Motion passes in.

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Thanks, guys.

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Thank you very much.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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Next, we have $1.99 and $2.83, Hamilton Park with COVID-19.

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This is Gary, and

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after noon again, evening, Joe.

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The record I'm John O'Reilly to my right is Karen.

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Nalkis Benjamin.

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This Benjamin, who's one of the owners down in this neck of the woods.

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Also with us is Paul Shae, who's been with us

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since the beginning of the project,

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flagging wetlands and so forth and observing.

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So we're here tonight to start the process of permitting and after the fact action.

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Of a partial covert replacement on Hamilton Cartway.

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The work was done to an effort to improve access

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down Hamilton Cartway. The request of fire department and some other people in town including the owners who were concerned.

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Karen brings an excellent wealth of experience and history from the area. So if you have any questions on past,

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Practices in condition you can certainly ask the question.

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We engaged Paul to flag the wetland and I'll turn it over to him in a few minutes to talk about the wetland and the planting plan in general.

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But what we've ended up doing is we have been watching the cover through the winter and spring,

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and this spring there was documented flow through the cover once the spring spring waters, if you will,

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reach the certain elevation that allowed water to go from Greenland pond into the ditch and then

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ultimately to Longpond. Right now I believe the ditch is dry.

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So we're actually leaving it

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basically as you see it today with the improved width that address fire departments concern.

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We're not planning to do any work on the callover itself since it appears to be working

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but we are proposing plantings, and how Karen and Paul came up with the planting plan was we tried to put species that were already growing out there because of some success and also position them to allow fishermen that use this ditch if you will conduit between long pond and greenland pond to bring fishing, you know, kayak or canoe or a small skiff to fish and greenland pond.

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and back again. So we felt it could not put plants all over the shoreline that will ultimately

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get trampled by use. So at this point, I'll have Paul bring up the wetlands and what

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he found and we can take any questions of the commission as.

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The up-good evening, Paul, share with independent environmental consultants. I think I would

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brought into this product back in December, 2025, what we have is we're Hamilton Cartways, the northern

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boundary of the Cartway borders right on Greenland pond, which is a great pond. And there

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is the position of the new culvert under the roadway, which then discharges into a ditch

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on the southern side, or southern side of Hamilton Carway, where there's a low-lying area

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that was once a cramberry bog on the southern side of the roadway. It is grown back now to be

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border-in-vegetated wetland, fairly straight ditch running right through it all the way to

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two long pond so it connects into long pond. That area will be a border-in-vegetated wetland

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and an intermittent stream which flows out, it goes dry every summer. As they just

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We have intermittent stream, we have an order of vegetative wetland, which was once in a little cranberry,

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bog and production.

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And my understanding is the actual straight intermittent stream was actually put in by mosquito control a long time ago.

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like back in the 50s or early 60s, and we were originally had more plantings on the northern

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side of the roadway, Hamilton Parkway, in the area where I guess that's where the fishermen

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put their canoes and we're all off so whatever they, so we noticed that a lot of the rock

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was actually moving down a slope, chipped rock into the pond because the dragging in there.

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So we decided to take the planting out in that area.

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We only have a couple on the south side, but there is room if we need to to do more on the

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south side.

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It was just the question mark.

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I know that Chris Miller had brought up the one of the conferences that we had, the issue

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trying to provide some sort of access for the fishermen, those

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a question of whether we're trucking them maybe even try to create a small

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pathway for them to do it, but I believe they've been sort of using that

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area the bank for a long time to access to put in canoes and so forth, so

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that's pretty much why we took the plantings out of that area.

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I'm happy to answer any questions.

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I mean, everything in this project is either in, you know, a resource area of buffer zones

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to the booster conservation commission, or a GEP wetlands and natural heritage at the

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lead John just got a letter from natural heritage at the end of that last week, stating that

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they've only been in problems with the project, that Chivian booster conservation commission

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files at this point, and I believe was still waiting for key back from division, I mean

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fisheries, and also, I believe we've got a file number from DEAP. I could be wrong.

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We actually did hear from division and rein fisheries. You folks should have received whatever

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of some sort. All right, Bill? Yeah, they sent an email, which I forwarded up to the commission

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And it's in the record.

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They don't have any specific requests.

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They'd like to see'd be a fish passage,

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but there's a whole different project so they didn't want to go into that.

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And natural heritage said no adverse take,

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and no adverse effect on the resource areas.

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Leaving the end to the local back in 2025,

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I asked around the departments if they would give feedback.

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The fire department did give feedback, they had a concern, they were not sure that they were able to

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service the area, they're letters dated October 27, 2025 because it was not support of

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potentially of their equipment and their larger vehicles for life safety reasons.

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The police department was in kind matching up with the fire department, DPW did the same,

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the town engineer said that it needed a stamped plan by an engineer that you have

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now provided that.

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And then the question is, you don't necessarily have public safety, but typically you get

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comments from natural heritage, mass DMF, different town departments, and the...

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One that's sticking is, do you have that safety element? And so I appreciate the engineering on this and the planning approach and so on.

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It didn't need to be extensive because there's so many plants in there you actually have to cut them back or on the road constantly.

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But the fire department's component is important. And I think that that's something the commission should review a little bit more and take into consideration.

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Um, I just have one cut, this, the, the front of our was 20, our October 27, 20, 25, when it was the work done.

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I'll, I'll get, it was done before this September.

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Oh, okay, 20, 25, I thought it was after that.

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All right, so this kind of followed suit.

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And it's taken a little while to get the underlying going, but they did it.

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There was another, um, recent covert that was done at 2628 Main Street.

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It was pretty rigorously reviewed and rebuilt to meet the Commission's requirements, both the

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fire department and the building department were consulted, like David Sleson, due to a term

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and if they had comments and neither had comments, so compared to here, we had comments

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fairly, they didn't, they just want to point that out.

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So it makes me wonder if something maybe to equalize might be helpful and perhaps annual monitoring

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report signed by a red professional engineer stating that it's functioning as

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designed, et cetera, might be helpful to the commission because the

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pirate book was worried, obviously. And I'm just throwing something out. It's

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just something to solve that. That possible cost of possible consideration for

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the commission. So again, you don't have public safety yet, but it should be in

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in my personal opinion regulations, but that's down the road.

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So, you have the department's comments.

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It has been engineered.

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That meets the town engineers requirements.

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I have an idea of looking at it, John Solid.

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So, what am I going to do there, right?

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So, good.

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I got to comment.

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So, the pipe that's there now is the same pipe

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that when the yours, and eventually did it,

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has been changed.

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No, it's a clay tile pipe that's there still.

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Okay, because when I first went down there to see that,

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I looked in both sides that I could see no daylight on either side.

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It's not that big of a bite, but I couldn't see it and coming through.

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So how much water was going through that?

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It was a little strange.

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I have a video if you'd like to see, but it was enough flow that there were fish in there,

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not ill-wifers to early when there was water, but there were fish.

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they were small, and I would say at least four, five inches.

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Because my concern is, it was a done properly.

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And why do we leave it like that?

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It should be at least something in there.

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It's not going to collapse.

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You have to still clay pipe in there.

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I know how some of us, the ADS and the other half

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is the old clay pipe on one side, which

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is going to fail, and it's going to continue to fail.

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It should be, you know, constant to the whole thing, something we know that's not going to,

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you know, crush and that all clay pipe doesn't have any weight rating on it.

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So the, you know, the ADS is as weight rating.

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You know, you have no, I mean, I don't know how you can engineer that.

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There's no, how do you engineer something? You have unknown.

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Well, the only thing that we could add to that is the case,

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is that, you know, since this repair was done in August 7, 2025, there have been oil trucks,

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gropane tanks, several emergency vehicles down through here. The fire department has come

456
00:34:01,460 --> 00:34:10,120
down because of an emergency past this culvert. So, you know, we did talk about, you know,

457
00:34:10,140 --> 00:34:15,740
looking at the structural integrity of the pipe. It really is no way to qualify it without

458
00:34:15,740 --> 00:34:23,440
pulling it out and looking, you know, uncovering it. So we kind of let, you know, time, answer some questions

459
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:30,060
for us, we're in, you know, it has flown, it water does flow through it, so it is, it is producing

460
00:34:30,820 --> 00:34:39,240
flow when the water levels are at the correct height, and it hasn't collapsed in the last 12 months.

461
00:34:40,300 --> 00:34:48,800
So this permit is good for three years, and I think part of a close-out could be an inspection of the culvert.

462
00:34:49,580 --> 00:34:58,280
Maybe not every annual leave, but at the completion of the permit is part of the close-out that, you know, you take a look at it in another three years.

463
00:34:59,380 --> 00:34:59,840
It's all I can do.

464
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,680
Yeah, that's a response to that.

465
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:07,640
Yeah, and my thought process is, well, everything's been disturbed, why don't we,

466
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:08,960
what does it get fixed right?

467
00:35:09,100 --> 00:35:13,760
And it's not really going to take that much to fix it right, and put it on the PC ADS,

468
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,100
and couple what they put in there.

469
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,360
I mean, that's, I hate to just leave something like that.

470
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,540
And next year, we have a few years later, we have another problem.

471
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,020
And it's like, what don't we fix it right?

472
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:26,280
So I'm not going to cost so much money to do it.

473
00:35:26,460 --> 00:35:28,860
I mean, that's my thought process.

474
00:35:28,860 --> 00:35:34,300
So everybody's best interests, not the leaves on uncertainty like that.

475
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:40,940
Because that's why I could be wrong, I'm not an engineer, but that's my thought on it.

476
00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:45,880
The only thing I'd like to add is EverSource came down and worked on the road for three years.

477
00:35:46,260 --> 00:35:49,660
Our three days, our other felt like three years, three days after the blizzard.

478
00:35:49,900 --> 00:35:52,260
And they had the biggest spool truck I've ever seen.

479
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,000
And it successfully went up and down the road for those three days.

480
00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,380
So it did bear the weight of an incredible load,

481
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:01,300
even just the ever-sourced trucks themselves were amazing.

482
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,780
So we were pretty impressed and glad that it held up.

483
00:36:06,900 --> 00:36:09,340
So it was sturdy for at least that experience.

484
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,700
But when you agree with me that you should be able to see daylight

485
00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:14,960
looking through on that short-loader, right?

486
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,500
To be honest with you, in the old days,

487
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,740
the kids would go and play it.

488
00:36:18,820 --> 00:36:20,720
We never could see through as far as I could tell.

489
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,840
I mean, like we would lie down in the...

490
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,040
Right, no, I understand that.

491
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,520
that's what the executive might, why I'm bringing us up.

492
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,180
Because it's failing or it's clogged,

493
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,340
or whatever, my guess is it's failing,

494
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:33,960
like so many of these other claypipes.

495
00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:37,960
And I, like I said, I would fix it.

496
00:36:38,060 --> 00:36:39,220
Because the biggest thing is,

497
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,520
we talk about wildlife and all this stuff.

498
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:44,520
Those culverts are an important passage

499
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:46,980
for a lot of turtles and all kinds of stuff.

500
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:49,280
Go up and down those culverts,

501
00:36:50,100 --> 00:36:51,300
vertebrates and everything else.

502
00:36:51,740 --> 00:36:52,780
And if they can't get through there,

503
00:36:52,780 --> 00:36:55,720
and they go over the road and they get run over it.

504
00:36:56,040 --> 00:37:01,080
I just think that it should be least fixed properly.

505
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:02,340
That's fine.

506
00:37:02,940 --> 00:37:05,140
Can you just one question.

507
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:09,320
Did you ever have a chance to go through the camera to see if any of it was being crushed?

508
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,960
A simple drain company could go in.

509
00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:13,100
No, we didn't.

510
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,990
We talked about one time lining the pipe.

511
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:21,780
We have the camera before that.

512
00:37:21,780 --> 00:37:29,800
We met very informally, and quite frankly, this small section of pipe wasn't available to them.

513
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,840
And, quite frankly, lining the pipe does nothing to the structural integrity of the pipe.

514
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:41,200
No, that wouldn't, but it does bother me that you can't see daylight from one into another.

515
00:37:41,860 --> 00:37:44,400
I was out there during the winter when I looked at it.

516
00:37:44,620 --> 00:37:49,260
You know, I couldn't look down through and have Gary had gone down there and can't see daylight.

517
00:37:49,380 --> 00:37:54,340
There's either going to be blockage or a flashlight at the other end to see what's going on.

518
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,920
You know, I just don't feel comfortable with being a camera.

519
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:59,840
Well, I know that it's crushed.

520
00:38:02,430 --> 00:38:07,550
I'll be honest, this, you know, given that we're conservation, this feels a little bit out

521
00:38:07,550 --> 00:38:08,630
of our wheelhouse.

522
00:38:09,270 --> 00:38:13,770
You know, we have a letter from the fire department saying they have concerns and I get that

523
00:38:13,770 --> 00:38:18,590
large trucks have passed over this and, you know, it's, it's sort of like saying, you know,

524
00:38:18,590 --> 00:38:20,890
there's going to be a straw that breaks the camel's back.

525
00:38:21,550 --> 00:38:24,630
We don't know when that straw is coming or what that straw is going to be.

526
00:38:24,930 --> 00:38:29,690
But this feels a lot, I mean, Gary thankfully brought up what the conservation interests

527
00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:36,110
Sorry, but this feels like it's a bit out of our jurisdiction is the engineering of this maybe I'm wrong

528
00:38:36,110 --> 00:38:42,190
But I'm thinking in terms of yes, if something collapses obviously that becomes a conservation issue

529
00:38:42,190 --> 00:38:47,990
But but whether this is is strong enough for a particular piece of equipment

530
00:38:48,770 --> 00:38:54,470
I don't see how that's conservation my other question was I'd like just to find out a bit is collapsed

531
00:38:54,470 --> 00:38:56,350
Yeah, I mean, that makes sense.

532
00:38:56,470 --> 00:39:01,610
Absolutely, going back to Gary's point about animal passage and that sort of thing.

533
00:39:02,150 --> 00:39:06,410
But that seems to feel like that's where the conservation interest is and everything

534
00:39:06,410 --> 00:39:09,450
and the engineering piece is way beyond me.

535
00:39:10,210 --> 00:39:17,090
So I'm not sure what our role is here exactly in making any sort of decision from a conservation

536
00:39:17,090 --> 00:39:21,910
perspective on whether this is a adequate structure.

537
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:25,910
You guys know all that stuff, I don't know.

538
00:39:26,710 --> 00:39:26,950
Chris?

539
00:39:27,790 --> 00:39:33,990
Yeah, Chris, my next research director, to Kim's point, one thing you could do is talk about

540
00:39:33,990 --> 00:39:36,130
either ongoing maintenance or the life of the structure.

541
00:39:36,430 --> 00:39:40,450
So if they come back next year and is totally failed, what is the commission going to expect?

542
00:39:40,490 --> 00:39:44,330
Are they going to expect a minor repair or are they going to expect more like what DMF says,

543
00:39:44,330 --> 00:39:50,130
where you actually do some evaluation of what the structure would be, what the wildlife

544
00:39:50,130 --> 00:39:52,190
past it's size should be those kind of things.

545
00:39:52,510 --> 00:39:55,270
So you could put that, I mean it's special conditions

546
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:57,970
can talk about those kind of things for expectation.

547
00:39:58,390 --> 00:40:00,790
If this is only a one year fix, that's much different

548
00:40:00,790 --> 00:40:03,370
than like a typical road crossing that you'd

549
00:40:03,370 --> 00:40:06,870
hope to have a life of 30, 50, some kind of years.

550
00:40:08,290 --> 00:40:11,570
Do you think that Gary, do you think that for like

551
00:40:11,570 --> 00:40:17,310
a better term endoscoping the pipe would be a valuable piece

552
00:40:17,310 --> 00:40:19,870
of information from the conservation only perspective

553
00:40:19,870 --> 00:40:20,450
at this point.

554
00:40:20,510 --> 00:40:25,630
Oh, I think it would make it like like a ready route or just everybody has these cameras

555
00:40:25,630 --> 00:40:26,410
like this.

556
00:40:27,070 --> 00:40:28,530
The cameras are readily available.

557
00:40:29,150 --> 00:40:36,130
I mean, you could have had a lot of money to have them see what the, I just, I'm, it just bothers

558
00:40:36,130 --> 00:40:40,210
me that it's, you know, I think it's clogged, it could be wrong, but I just, you should be

559
00:40:40,210 --> 00:40:44,430
able to see light through that thing and, you know, I couldn't let lay down, I lay down

560
00:40:44,430 --> 00:40:49,110
on both sides and looked in there and it's just, you know, I just think it's a shame,

561
00:40:49,110 --> 00:40:50,950
So I'm not going to keep popping on it, right?

562
00:40:51,210 --> 00:40:51,490
I make it.

563
00:40:51,510 --> 00:40:52,770
Well, can we make that?

564
00:40:52,850 --> 00:40:53,270
I don't know.

565
00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:55,350
Because that's something we can request.

566
00:40:55,770 --> 00:40:57,010
That photos of tuition.

567
00:40:57,610 --> 00:40:58,790
God, discretionary authority.

568
00:40:59,490 --> 00:41:01,770
The special conditions modify everything else.

569
00:41:02,490 --> 00:41:12,490
But really just from the concept of conservation, not, you know, we're not here to judge integrity of the structure or its future or anything like that.

570
00:41:12,530 --> 00:41:15,730
But really just from the narrow perspective of conservation, I think.

571
00:41:17,530 --> 00:41:25,770
And the pipe itself ends from the inlet and the outlet, it's really non-juristic, but on both sides, it's right there.

572
00:41:26,310 --> 00:41:28,790
And so you're in the zero to 50 of both of them for the variants.

573
00:41:30,850 --> 00:41:34,410
And it's also the flood plate I believe, so it's in the resource area.

574
00:41:35,490 --> 00:41:42,310
And that has bearing with regards to compensatory storage and all kinds of things, which I hadn't thought about just yet.

575
00:41:42,310 --> 00:41:47,130
So they put fill in, and it's looking like it was in the wetlands.

576
00:41:47,390 --> 00:41:53,450
Usually in the buffer zone, you take the buffer zone, and it's in the flood plant, then

577
00:41:53,450 --> 00:41:57,950
you have to provide a compensatory storage somewhere else, and potentially they've done that.

578
00:41:58,050 --> 00:41:59,490
Well, this was a pre-existing structure.

579
00:41:59,710 --> 00:42:00,050
That's just been applied.

580
00:42:00,050 --> 00:42:05,730
There was a lot of new material, and then Commissioner Cazer and an earlier, while meeting

581
00:42:05,730 --> 00:42:10,570
asked him to take out an apron on the long-pond side, so they took a lot of material out.

582
00:42:10,570 --> 00:42:15,070
But that would have been in the resource area because the wetlands were upgrading of that

583
00:42:15,790 --> 00:42:20,930
So it's the buffer zone and they probably put some in the buffer zone took up storage

584
00:42:20,930 --> 00:42:27,190
And therefore there's some need for comfort storage storage potentially. So you haven't got any of that

585
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:27,490
wrong

586
00:42:28,530 --> 00:42:31,050
Yeah, I remember the store I was going to clean

587
00:42:31,690 --> 00:42:40,070
Okay, work was done by a contractor partially and then filled. I don't think John or engineer

588
00:42:40,870 --> 00:42:47,730
looked at it so in this what is is no sleep pipe that failed what's left is

589
00:42:47,730 --> 00:42:54,270
probably going to fail I grew with you 100% carry in Joe it stinks but I'm

590
00:42:54,270 --> 00:43:00,550
going by what John says and for now okay and he should take a look at it

591
00:43:00,550 --> 00:43:04,450
engineers report at the end of three years and he's got to sign up he's got to

592
00:43:04,450 --> 00:43:08,070
guarantee it not us so we can talk about cameras

593
00:43:09,870 --> 00:43:10,950
That's not a guarantee.

594
00:43:10,990 --> 00:43:11,670
That's not a guarantee.

595
00:43:11,890 --> 00:43:12,690
That's not a guarantee.

596
00:43:12,850 --> 00:43:12,950
That's not a guarantee.

597
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:12,990
No.

598
00:43:14,350 --> 00:43:14,790
That's that.

599
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:15,210
That's that.

600
00:43:15,530 --> 00:43:16,790
Twenty twenty eight.

601
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:18,130
John O'Reilly looked at the pipe.

602
00:43:18,130 --> 00:43:18,510
Exactly.

603
00:43:20,050 --> 00:43:21,210
That's what that is.

604
00:43:21,410 --> 00:43:21,730
Yeah.

605
00:43:21,730 --> 00:43:23,370
It's not going to predict the future.

606
00:43:23,730 --> 00:43:25,150
Life of the structure.

607
00:43:25,450 --> 00:43:26,910
It's going to really be just a evaluation.

608
00:43:27,150 --> 00:43:28,270
That day.

609
00:43:28,490 --> 00:43:29,350
Here's what we saw.

610
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:30,370
I mean.

611
00:43:30,430 --> 00:43:31,350
There for the conservation.

612
00:43:31,430 --> 00:43:33,630
We just want to make sure the water flow.

613
00:43:33,810 --> 00:43:34,270
We're not.

614
00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:35,710
The integrity of the pipe.

615
00:43:36,550 --> 00:43:42,810
You're, we're more concerned about is the water, I know you've seen the pictures, we don't know what's going on in the middle of the road.

616
00:43:43,330 --> 00:43:49,260
If it's, so I guess that's the question.

617
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:55,220
Do we want to see it cleared out or do we want to see pictures of it or do we just want it?

618
00:43:56,540 --> 00:43:58,440
I mean, I look at it this way.

619
00:43:58,700 --> 00:44:01,460
If they come and look what happened with Mr. Sloucher.

620
00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:06,860
If they came and they wanted us to get a permit, we'd have gone through the whole thing.

621
00:44:07,460 --> 00:44:11,220
And we would have made sure everything was working properly.

622
00:44:12,220 --> 00:44:15,360
There's a lot of different things on streams that they want today.

623
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,520
And we would make sure everything was right.

624
00:44:18,000 --> 00:44:19,140
And we don't have any of that.

625
00:44:19,420 --> 00:44:22,500
So I just, I feel that's things total failure.

626
00:44:23,480 --> 00:44:24,280
That's my pain.

627
00:44:24,780 --> 00:44:26,040
So I mean.

628
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:30,380
Of course.

629
00:44:30,820 --> 00:44:31,940
If I could just make one on the comment,

630
00:44:32,180 --> 00:44:34,640
to Kim's point about we're not here looking at the structural.

631
00:44:34,900 --> 00:44:37,940
I think you can look at the structural from a conservation viewpoint.

632
00:44:37,940 --> 00:44:43,060
are they going to be bringing in tons of material to fill, sink holes, is the material spilling

633
00:44:43,060 --> 00:44:48,660
into the resource area over time, is it having any of their impact to the direct into the

634
00:44:48,660 --> 00:44:53,280
resource area in the buffer zone over time? So is this going to hold up? If this was on a

635
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:56,620
coastal bank, you'd want to make sure the bank isn't damaged when you're walking on the stairs.

636
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,980
Those kind of things. So there is some...

637
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:08,060
One point I think the commission can have on whether it's going to be structurally sound for a period of time, or if it's going to require ongoing maintenance.

638
00:45:08,160 --> 00:45:12,400
And you could talk about what that means, it's what we require in your special conditions.

639
00:45:12,940 --> 00:45:22,440
You know, it allowed to fill potholes with additional material and resource area, but they allowed to grab the rocks that we heard or being knocked down in the resource area and replace them.

640
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:29,880
Those are the kind of things you can put in here to allow them to keep this functional. Everybody wants the road to work. Everybody wants equipment to get through.

641
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:33,680
without having to come in and do a notice of antenna over here.

642
00:45:34,580 --> 00:45:37,120
So I heard a lot of stuff that was great.

643
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:45,060
It was a good conversation between Gary and John O'Reilly about the wage and the unknowns and so on.

644
00:45:45,380 --> 00:45:54,960
We need a known and I heard the camera multiple times and that provides some level of data about the integrity of the pipe right now.

645
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,260
So if it can handle all this stuff, that's wonderful.

646
00:45:57,260 --> 00:46:09,760
But like anything, it's going to slowly get crushed, so there needs to be a established standard, and I don't think just having it at the end of the three years, because it could go and get extended, and now it's another three years.

647
00:46:10,140 --> 00:46:12,360
And it could get extended again and now it's another three years.

648
00:46:12,540 --> 00:46:25,560
So I think a game plan of either, if you don't do it every year, maybe even year or every second year, have some reporting on this, because they're probably going to extend it, or try for ongoing conditions.

649
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:32,340
There also should be something written in based on the standard that, okay, now it's failed, now you do

650
00:46:32,340 --> 00:46:36,920
have to repair it, and we have a workable permit that we can work with and going back to a commission

651
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,820
or case or it's been saying and do it right. So in other words, you're patching it together,

652
00:46:41,660 --> 00:46:45,360
setting the boat's sale, and then suddenly in the middle of the ocean and you're overwhelmed

653
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:50,420
on the top, your engines are out. Oh, we can put in the order conditions if it fails and then

654
00:46:50,420 --> 00:46:53,400
That's a good one, that's a really good one.

655
00:46:53,620 --> 00:46:55,160
Right, so.

656
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:56,420
Please, John, please.

657
00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:57,680
I have a comment, but.

658
00:46:58,180 --> 00:47:02,140
The original reason why we repaired the road was because the

659
00:47:02,140 --> 00:47:05,940
Bankings were like worn off by the dragging of the boats.

660
00:47:06,340 --> 00:47:07,720
So it was very, very narrow.

661
00:47:07,740 --> 00:47:09,480
It got down less than nine feet.

662
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,540
And that's when we had an emergency and thought we needed to

663
00:47:13,540 --> 00:47:15,080
repair it and did it inappropriately.

664
00:47:15,300 --> 00:47:16,300
We apologize for that.

665
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,480
But it was about the safety of the edging.

666
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:24,820
And since COVID there have been this big influx of people coming through and dragging boats through there.

667
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:34,480
So it is the banking that I'm worried about protecting to from a conservation point of view because there are these big aluminum boats.

668
00:47:35,160 --> 00:47:37,840
And when the ditch is dry they go through the middle of the ditch. That's okay.

669
00:47:37,940 --> 00:47:40,380
When it's not dry they drag them right along the banks.

670
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,900
So I want fishermen to get in there and I ported, I guess, is fair.

671
00:47:45,900 --> 00:47:57,360
But what we were worried about was how we managed the resource as of safe road and also with his traffic of people damaging the bank.

672
00:47:57,980 --> 00:48:04,320
That was a problem and actually the fire department asked us if we could not make the road wider.

673
00:48:05,360 --> 00:48:08,120
He, Mr. Barley, or she farly thought it had gotten narrow.

674
00:48:08,260 --> 00:48:11,540
It actually had gone from 9 feet to 11. I think that's what it is now.

675
00:48:11,540 --> 00:48:17,400
But he said ideally it would be 20, and so I don't know how that would not work very well either, so

676
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,660
That's just part of the reality

677
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:26,420
Cutthroof, you know this I understand the Saudi part

678
00:48:27,700 --> 00:48:37,460
The real culprit is not even as in a mouth the guy who did the work you can't tell me someone next to the pond doesn't know to call conservation

679
00:48:39,100 --> 00:48:41,440
Through a whole process. We haven't heard a word from him

680
00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:54,690
I think. So going forward, well, what do we stand?

681
00:48:56,990 --> 00:49:03,830
Well, so I heard that there's a need for more data. That's one thing I heard.

682
00:49:04,090 --> 00:49:08,650
I heard that reporting could be done maybe not every year.

683
00:49:08,910 --> 00:49:13,610
I suggested every other year to give the commission information and the homeowners.

684
00:49:14,050 --> 00:49:16,510
But what do you by reporting you just want to make sure that water is flowing?

685
00:49:16,510 --> 00:49:23,570
I was trying to find a standard, I'm not really a pipe expert, I don't have the fish experience you have yet.

686
00:49:23,690 --> 00:49:29,310
Through the chair, I don't think it would be unreasonable for have this call somebody that just haven't evaluated the pipe.

687
00:49:29,570 --> 00:49:36,530
They can look forward with stuff, but evaluate the pipe and the pipe is clogged or you know, majorly clogged.

688
00:49:37,050 --> 00:49:40,250
and we need to not take on a look at it.

689
00:49:40,250 --> 00:49:42,290
But let me go ahead and do what they want to do.

690
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:46,210
But one of the stipulations is that it's not a lot of money.

691
00:49:46,390 --> 00:49:48,150
I don't know what I'm going to do in a valuable fight.

692
00:49:49,190 --> 00:49:50,890
Like John, isn't guaranteed the fight?

693
00:49:52,050 --> 00:49:52,970
Well, of course not.

694
00:49:52,990 --> 00:49:54,230
Nobody can guarantee it.

695
00:49:54,230 --> 00:49:55,090
Nobody can guarantee it.

696
00:49:55,110 --> 00:49:57,990
It's like even if the doctor can't guarantee it, you're not going to drop that in the park.

697
00:49:58,010 --> 00:50:01,550
He's less of your disgust, it's pre-fabbed.

698
00:50:01,770 --> 00:50:04,370
He went through the pain to deal with this in a proposed fashion.

699
00:50:04,370 --> 00:50:11,630
And he's got a guarantee because it was engineered to do what it's supposed to do and it's all built in.

700
00:50:11,770 --> 00:50:12,890
John is thinking of here.

701
00:50:13,150 --> 00:50:16,490
I know John is picking up a severed situation.

702
00:50:16,890 --> 00:50:17,670
It's going to best he can.

703
00:50:17,890 --> 00:50:20,430
And he's realized to put up through code or separation.

704
00:50:21,210 --> 00:50:21,950
You know that.

705
00:50:22,050 --> 00:50:25,050
Is there some, and I honestly don't know the answer to this.

706
00:50:25,110 --> 00:50:33,370
Is there some regulatory authority that evaluates the safety of a structure like this?

707
00:50:35,850 --> 00:50:44,950
There's the stream standards, but that's under perennial stream, and David went through that too, and he kept it out of that, so he would have the flexibility, but he needs to commission standards.

708
00:50:45,530 --> 00:50:45,950
Part of the way.

709
00:50:46,990 --> 00:50:47,050
Yeah.

710
00:50:47,770 --> 00:50:50,570
The part of the department says really just a suggestion.

711
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:55,450
So the commission didn't have the perennial stream, didn't have the stream standards.

712
00:50:56,410 --> 00:51:01,870
So the question was, okay, but you will meet the commission's requirements, which is where we are right now.

713
00:51:03,690 --> 00:51:13,690
Of course, once again we heard some comments that some of the damage to the bank is being done by others who are visiting the site, dragging boats and things like that.

714
00:51:14,010 --> 00:51:24,410
So the commission could also allow perhaps some split rail fence or something else to direct the activity to the one area where you didn't put the plants rather than have them pick all these others.

715
00:51:24,650 --> 00:51:30,410
I'm not sure you'd want to put a split rail fence to stop all the boats because they'll just break the fence at that point.

716
00:51:30,410 --> 00:51:34,530
But you might want to say how direct the foot traffic to keep it in that one limited area.

717
00:51:34,930 --> 00:51:41,150
Or at least put it into this order that they're allowed to add some split rail in this general vicinity.

718
00:51:41,450 --> 00:51:48,650
It doesn't have to necessarily be engineered in, but it might be something to allow some permission to keep it to the one area that you think.

719
00:51:48,770 --> 00:51:49,850
Can I talk about you?

720
00:51:50,570 --> 00:51:51,710
No, I make sense.

721
00:51:53,710 --> 00:51:54,590
All right.

722
00:51:54,810 --> 00:51:55,530
I just have.

723
00:51:55,530 --> 00:52:00,030
Yeah, I mean, basically what I'm hearing is that the commission just wants to make sure that water is flowing through this culvert.

724
00:52:01,390 --> 00:52:06,230
You want some kind of evaluation to what candidates to be confirmed?

725
00:52:07,830 --> 00:52:09,950
An impedive flow and capacity to be confirmed.

726
00:52:10,290 --> 00:52:10,590
That's all.

727
00:52:11,130 --> 00:52:15,090
I think comes down to what Commissioner Lerysane, he needs, and I think Commissioner

728
00:52:15,090 --> 00:52:19,410
Caryser, I think Commissioner Pearson, and you, of Chair Tobin, and you, Commissioner

729
00:52:19,410 --> 00:52:26,010
Sloak, need clear convincing information, and is evaluation by a pipe professional

730
00:52:26,010 --> 00:52:29,630
would provide better clear convincing information.

731
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:35,880
We can also think about, and maybe establish special conditions, it would allow for the maintenance component.

732
00:52:36,340 --> 00:52:42,700
And then if, if, if there was a problem in it, fill below the standard, whatever it is, then it has to be repaired,

733
00:52:43,380 --> 00:52:44,820
per what commissioner can't you say.

734
00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:48,420
That strikes a balance.

735
00:52:49,020 --> 00:52:53,940
Because it really should be, maybe, start it from the start, but they didn't come to commission first,

736
00:52:54,020 --> 00:52:56,020
and we don't need to go back. Everybody spent through that.

737
00:52:56,020 --> 00:52:57,000
I

738
00:52:59,110 --> 00:53:08,910
just have one point of comment. I mean like I'm looking at this John. Do you plan to add any more stone down to what's there?

739
00:53:09,450 --> 00:53:10,490
Just some loan.

740
00:53:10,810 --> 00:53:12,910
Put the loan for planting. That's the idea.

741
00:53:13,150 --> 00:53:14,650
Using the loan for the planting.

742
00:53:14,830 --> 00:53:18,050
I only mentioned that because it actually came and built.

743
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:21,230
We were out there several weeks ago to a site.

744
00:53:22,010 --> 00:53:26,330
What's happening is we're doing the filter fabric and they're putting the crushed stone down.

745
00:53:26,330 --> 00:53:30,310
You're just putting your legs down and doing a double wash.

746
00:53:30,570 --> 00:53:32,150
So what's happening is to filter fabric.

747
00:53:32,390 --> 00:53:34,390
Just plug it up on it's failing.

748
00:53:34,610 --> 00:53:36,830
And I'll filter the third one this year we've been to.

749
00:53:37,570 --> 00:53:41,470
It's just completely, it's something that filters fabric.

750
00:53:41,650 --> 00:53:42,870
I know it was the same.

751
00:53:43,430 --> 00:53:44,070
You know it's here.

752
00:53:45,110 --> 00:53:46,670
It was one of the desperate.

753
00:53:47,210 --> 00:53:49,030
And then there was one green on the other side.

754
00:53:49,790 --> 00:53:51,390
Yeah, there was another one.

755
00:53:51,790 --> 00:53:53,030
Yeah, I did do.

756
00:53:53,370 --> 00:53:55,370
It was near one of those town circles.

757
00:53:55,370 --> 00:53:58,630
Yes, we are just mentioning it.

758
00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:59,530
Thank you, pretty.

759
00:54:00,710 --> 00:54:02,310
One more year or so.

760
00:54:02,970 --> 00:54:04,770
I thought you were talking out of the carway.

761
00:54:05,170 --> 00:54:06,870
I can only think of one other project out there,

762
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:07,830
so I don't know.

763
00:54:07,890 --> 00:54:08,970
I think you can grab a lap.

764
00:54:10,950 --> 00:54:13,610
So, Bill, do you want to continue?

765
00:54:13,610 --> 00:54:14,950
I think that would be wise.

766
00:54:14,970 --> 00:54:16,970
Continue so that you can write special conditions.

767
00:54:17,390 --> 00:54:20,970
And then they want to provide a pike condition.

768
00:54:22,170 --> 00:54:23,370
And I don't know.

769
00:54:23,370 --> 00:54:26,250
be commissioner there. You can all be that and I can send it along.

770
00:54:26,470 --> 00:54:26,930
What they're looking for.

771
00:54:27,070 --> 00:54:27,950
He's got it.

772
00:54:28,070 --> 00:54:31,110
It's not really the pipe condition. We're looking for the pipe condition.

773
00:54:31,770 --> 00:54:36,250
We'll be indicated. If it's blocked up by clay, the pipe is failing.

774
00:54:36,750 --> 00:54:42,250
If it's blocked up by a leaf or a branch or something like that, with the camera, you can just push it right through.

775
00:54:42,730 --> 00:54:45,370
I think right now, because we're not pipe experts.

776
00:54:46,330 --> 00:54:50,710
I think a camera of the line, as long as it's not underwater, which is not in our area.

777
00:54:50,710 --> 00:54:54,370
can be underwater. Well, the camera doesn't really work once it gets underwater.

778
00:54:54,590 --> 00:54:58,530
Yeah. Works fine. I push it through anything a human can push out of it.

779
00:54:58,750 --> 00:55:03,370
What's the thing is that the line is fine. You can't you lose your picture once it goes underwater.

780
00:55:03,670 --> 00:55:06,750
That's a surprise. But anyways, it's a prime right now.

781
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:09,850
Okay. I will I will get someone to camera. Okay.

782
00:55:10,450 --> 00:55:10,990
That'll be great.

783
00:55:11,270 --> 00:55:14,270
Okay. All right. So.

784
00:55:17,410 --> 00:55:23,710
So, we've to continue the public hearing for SC92030 for, oh, sorry, I never mind, I'm sorry on the wrong page.

785
00:55:23,850 --> 00:55:24,830
Page five.

786
00:55:24,890 --> 00:55:26,090
I got it, got it.

787
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:26,650
Sorry.

788
00:55:28,250 --> 00:55:35,530
We've to continue the public hearing for SC9209 for Colvin Nayak at 199 and 23 Hamilton Cartway.

789
00:55:35,530 --> 00:55:47,890
And pending arrangement of a inspection of the clay pipe remaining in the culvert as the culvert.

790
00:55:48,910 --> 00:55:54,590
And in the meantime, would you like to begin working on the special conditions?

791
00:55:54,650 --> 00:55:55,210
Yeah, I can do that.

792
00:55:55,290 --> 00:56:04,430
And to have the conservation administrator begin and hopefully complete the special conditions for the project.

793
00:56:04,430 --> 00:56:06,530
So I can, all of those in favor.

794
00:56:07,030 --> 00:56:07,350
All right.

795
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:08,130
Chair votes aye.

796
00:56:08,290 --> 00:56:09,090
Motion passes in here.

797
00:56:09,230 --> 00:56:09,950
Thank you very much.

798
00:56:11,010 --> 00:56:11,210
All right.

799
00:56:11,270 --> 00:56:14,010
Next we have CPI's driving hollow lane.

800
00:56:14,730 --> 00:56:15,850
CPI's kind of association.

801
00:56:20,970 --> 00:56:21,210
That's good.

802
00:56:21,510 --> 00:56:22,710
Let's go.

803
00:56:36,580 --> 00:56:37,180
Good evening.

804
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:38,800
I'm sorry.

805
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:39,600
I'm sorry.

806
00:56:40,420 --> 00:56:40,900
I'm sorry.

807
00:56:41,860 --> 00:56:44,900
With me tonight is Phil Cheney, the landscape architect,

808
00:56:45,660 --> 00:56:50,020
and started in the back row from the management company.

809
00:56:50,020 --> 00:57:08,060
We were here a couple weeks ago, the Board, the Commissioner to ask for free pieces of information, the notation of a varnal pool of the varnal pool on our site plan, and with Bill's help, we were able to kind of get a shape of it, showing on the plan.

810
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:18,140
The spec sheet for the infill, which you did receive, and then the notation on fills plan regarding the treatment of the locus trees.

811
00:57:18,140 --> 00:57:23,420
came up whether we're going to treat them or remove them and I think.

812
00:57:24,420 --> 00:57:28,700
Yes, still Tunie just chipping in that, yeah, I have the note on there about pulling

813
00:57:28,700 --> 00:57:32,380
mechanically and digging up, you know, roots as practical.

814
00:57:35,540 --> 00:57:43,900
Okay, so I was the one who asked for all the products sheets and thank you very much for providing them.

815
00:57:43,900 --> 00:57:51,440
It was interesting, the company sent us the crystal and silica, as opposed to the encapsulated.

816
00:57:51,640 --> 00:57:55,360
So there was a lot of scary stuff on there about cancer and all the other sorts of things.

817
00:57:56,020 --> 00:58:00,260
But we put that to one side because it doesn't really apply in the encapsulated sense.

818
00:58:02,180 --> 00:58:08,020
There's very little information about the environmental movement of the infill, and I have no reason

819
00:58:08,020 --> 00:58:14,380
to believe that the drainage system, the storm water system, as designed wouldn't adequately

820
00:58:14,380 --> 00:58:21,880
handle it. The one thing that looking through the information sort of brought to the forefront

821
00:58:21,880 --> 00:58:31,440
was that we're talking about artificial turf. And I had to do a little background work

822
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:38,320
because I seem to remember and I had to go back to the books and remind myself how much microplastic

823
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:42,960
comes off of artificial turf, and it's a lot more than you would think, so if we say that

824
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:47,620
we're putting down correct me if I'm wrong, because I may have read the map wrong or whatever,

825
00:58:47,700 --> 00:58:57,140
but it's around 11,000 square feet of astro turf onto this artificial turf, not to use the

826
00:58:57,140 --> 00:59:03,780
turn onto this test court. So, going through a few references which I'm happy to provide

827
00:59:03,780 --> 00:59:08,910
The, the amount of fiber loss in a year off of

828
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:18,820
As per turf surface is somewhere between 0.5% for very light use and about 1% for higher use.

829
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:24,020
And so if you use the size of the tennis court that you're putting your covering and you,

830
00:59:24,140 --> 00:59:26,640
we will call it the light use side of it even with light use.

831
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:31,960
We're talking about 16 pounds of microplastic coming off of the just the turf,

832
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:37,930
not the infill just the grass itself. And as I said, I'm happy to provide the references that I used for that.

833
00:59:41,320 --> 00:59:46,580
Putting aside the water, the water transport for a second because as I said, I'm sure that's well designed.

834
00:59:47,220 --> 00:59:53,740
We also have air dispersion of these microplastics because they're like little blades of grass.

835
00:59:59,440 --> 00:59:59,980
They're

836
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:13,500
And whatever we have here on so often on Cape Cog, and with now the confirmation that we've got a sensitive receptor in the area in a qualified

837
01:00:15,100 --> 01:00:25,580
I think this project is eminently permittable, but I think that I would be a lot more inclined

838
01:00:25,580 --> 01:00:31,480
to support it if we used a different rebound surface other than turf.

839
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:39,400
And I am not an expert on recreational surfaces, but I know that there are many out there that

840
01:00:39,400 --> 01:00:45,520
can be used with adequate rebound, maybe even better than the turf surface, without carrying

841
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:51,520
the risk of microplastic dispersion in a sensitive receptor area.

842
01:00:52,320 --> 01:00:54,820
That's just my two cents on that.

843
01:00:55,420 --> 01:01:01,460
So if we could change out that surface to something else, I think it would solve a million

844
01:01:01,460 --> 01:01:05,000
problems and we could move right through it.

845
01:01:08,010 --> 01:01:15,630
What the stuff they use on the playground's like down at the drug avoid and that rubbery is not an expert on

846
01:01:16,090 --> 01:01:23,170
It's really it's really it's really it's really it's really I mean I'm not an expert on our surface, but in terms of micro plastic pollution

847
01:01:24,770 --> 01:01:26,290
That's that's sort of how

848
01:01:27,850 --> 01:01:31,370
Running on it moving on it playing on it even lightly

849
01:01:31,370 --> 01:01:36,470
I think that's the the risk for that particular sensitive area

850
01:01:37,780 --> 01:01:43,940
So, if there was any possibility of changing it to something that wasn't going to

851
01:01:43,940 --> 01:01:50,820
flag off every time you run across it and create more, because we're talking about the

852
01:01:50,820 --> 01:01:54,720
pollution interest in the sense of the receptor in the verbal pool.

853
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:07,720
I found very little, uh, educational, logical data to see their N.A. or, you know,

854
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:14,120
I says there's no data that suggests, birds, plants, so

855
01:02:16,940 --> 01:02:19,920
I think what you asked for, I still didn't see it myself.

856
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:24,400
Well, it may not exist. I mean, exactly. It may just say that the data don't exist.

857
01:02:27,380 --> 01:02:29,760
You can't supply something that doesn't exist.

858
01:02:30,560 --> 01:02:36,060
And in some jurisdictions that in and of itself would be enough to say, we don't want to go there.

859
01:02:36,060 --> 01:02:37,840
at least with a question mark.

860
01:02:42,390 --> 01:02:47,790
But there are other adequate surfaces that would recreational

861
01:02:47,790 --> 01:02:52,310
surfaces that work really well for lots of sports.

862
01:02:53,350 --> 01:02:56,250
And it just would be a better choice for this area, I think.

863
01:02:59,910 --> 01:03:05,450
I don't, I just kind of caught catching me off guard here a little bit.

864
01:03:05,770 --> 01:03:09,690
Because type of a material wasn't really pushed around that much too

865
01:03:09,690 --> 01:03:10,150
weeks ago.

866
01:03:10,150 --> 01:03:14,630
So I just I guess I'd ask the rest of the commission how they feel just see if we

867
01:03:15,270 --> 01:03:19,270
Just something we need to because I don't know what the product would be

868
01:03:20,390 --> 01:03:23,610
I don't I right now even gather to offer at this point

869
01:03:26,580 --> 01:03:30,740
Gary? I don't really they can't really make make a decision on something

870
01:03:30,740 --> 01:03:35,320
I don't know what you think about. That's right. It's kind of I have a question mark. So I don't know

871
01:03:36,100 --> 01:03:38,700
And we just have paving weird kids

872
01:03:43,520 --> 01:03:52,380
Is that something you want to look at, maybe it's the concern of the commission, is that airborne

873
01:03:52,380 --> 01:03:53,560
articles?

874
01:03:56,220 --> 01:04:02,440
And we're going to accept for the moment that whatever other controls that are put in, your

875
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:07,280
stormwater management system will work as predicted.

876
01:04:07,660 --> 01:04:10,700
There's no question with that, but I do think there is an airborne risk.

877
01:04:10,700 --> 01:04:17,000
So just so I'm clear too, so it's the like each individual piece of grass flakes off.

878
01:04:17,020 --> 01:04:19,000
Yeah, they break, just like regular grass.

879
01:04:19,580 --> 01:04:23,440
They break and they form little, um, yeah.

880
01:04:23,440 --> 01:04:24,040
It's a grass.

881
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:24,660
It's a fiber.

882
01:04:24,820 --> 01:04:25,340
It's a fiber.

883
01:04:25,500 --> 01:04:28,380
Well, I know that just that they put in that, I understand that that.

884
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:31,000
But aside from that, because now we're not doing that.

885
01:04:31,140 --> 01:04:31,920
I know that we're not doing that.

886
01:04:32,140 --> 01:04:33,280
So we really can't speak to it.

887
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:37,080
All right, we're not talking about the individual pieces of grass that are going to break off.

888
01:04:37,100 --> 01:04:37,320
Yep.

889
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:45,620
And there is a fair amount of, you know, research that's been done on it, and I'm happy, as I said, I'm happy to provide multiple

890
01:04:45,620 --> 01:04:47,700
if I can just add a little clarification.

891
01:04:49,140 --> 01:04:49,780
Can I see?

892
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,240
A blade of grass is not a microplastic.

893
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:54,560
Okay, that's just plastic.

894
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:58,980
It's microplastics are my machine that are human here that we do.

895
01:04:59,040 --> 01:04:59,900
Well, you want it there.

896
01:05:00,020 --> 01:05:02,200
If it's plastic and it breaks off, it's still bad.

897
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:03,320
It's going to break there.

898
01:05:03,400 --> 01:05:06,360
You keep calling microplastics being the problem, which I can understand.

899
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,520
but a blade of grasses and a microplastics.

900
01:05:08,520 --> 01:05:09,180
They break up.

901
01:05:09,660 --> 01:05:11,500
But you know not every time they break,

902
01:05:11,500 --> 01:05:12,940
do they break entirely?

903
01:05:13,100 --> 01:05:15,100
They break in multiple different size fragments.

904
01:05:16,640 --> 01:05:18,080
They get shipped away, you know?

905
01:05:18,100 --> 01:05:20,000
Like weathered.

906
01:05:20,320 --> 01:05:21,940
And for ever becoming in thought,

907
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,540
if it's a testimony smaller, it's smaller.

908
01:05:25,540 --> 01:05:27,240
Well, we don't have them represented

909
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:29,280
from the manufacturer here tonight.

910
01:05:30,580 --> 01:05:32,800
And maybe this would be a mud issue with them.

911
01:05:34,520 --> 01:05:36,340
But so I guess we'll need to,

912
01:05:37,480 --> 01:05:37,960
Okay.

913
01:05:39,640 --> 01:05:44,100
And if this person, if you could follow it through bill, your documentation, that would be great.

914
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:47,680
All right.

915
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:49,120
I guess we'll refer to Tunis.

916
01:05:49,780 --> 01:05:54,520
Move, continue the public hearing for S9, 2030 for Cpans condo association.

917
01:05:54,980 --> 01:06:00,580
That's zero Cpans drive and Halloween until the next, until the 22nd.

918
01:06:01,380 --> 01:06:01,860
22nd.

919
01:06:02,260 --> 01:06:03,720
So that you want more time?

920
01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:05,040
No, 22nd works.

921
01:06:05,300 --> 01:06:05,380
Thank you.

922
01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:05,960
All right.

923
01:06:07,640 --> 01:06:08,160
All those in favor?

924
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:08,940
All right.

925
01:06:10,620 --> 01:06:10,760
Okay.

926
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:13,720
All right.

927
01:06:21,380 --> 01:06:21,780
All right.

928
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:23,260
Next.

929
01:06:23,580 --> 01:06:26,480
We have 23 Captain Elijah Cobb Road.

930
01:06:26,660 --> 01:06:27,400
Peter and Elaine.

931
01:06:28,660 --> 01:06:29,200
Superheats.

932
01:06:29,240 --> 01:06:32,420
Proposed construction of pool house installation of a lap pool landscape mitigation

933
01:06:32,420 --> 01:06:33,100
plantings.

934
01:06:33,220 --> 01:06:34,040
And they're looking for continuation.

935
01:06:35,880 --> 01:06:35,920
All right.

936
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:36,420
I got a motion.

937
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:36,960
Yes.

938
01:06:37,100 --> 01:06:37,480
Good to get to you.

939
01:06:37,580 --> 01:06:39,860
The public caring for SC92031.

940
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:44,060
for Suga Rides at 23 capitalized

941
01:06:44,060 --> 01:06:45,780
a coverage to the September 22nd,

942
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,920
26th Commission public meeting for the applicants

943
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,980
consultant written request and apologies for any

944
01:06:49,980 --> 01:06:50,720
mispronunciation.

945
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:52,180
Second, all of us in favour?

946
01:06:52,360 --> 01:06:52,600
Aye.

947
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:52,920
Aye.

948
01:06:53,080 --> 01:06:53,600
What's the motion?

949
01:06:54,540 --> 01:06:55,300
Passes meeting.

950
01:06:55,840 --> 01:06:56,180
Continue.

951
01:06:56,940 --> 01:06:59,160
All right, next we have 2628 Main Street.

952
01:06:59,240 --> 01:07:00,480
It's deployed at order of conditions.

953
01:07:00,840 --> 01:07:01,480
David Slesinger.

954
01:07:01,860 --> 01:07:03,080
I feel like we need to come along.

955
01:07:05,630 --> 01:07:07,880
David Slesinger for 2628 Main Street.

956
01:07:09,770 --> 01:07:10,250
All right.

957
01:07:10,250 --> 01:07:12,830
So what's the latest the cover is installed?

958
01:07:13,390 --> 01:07:20,250
Yep, and I submitted a report closing out phase four and asking for release of the lean

959
01:07:20,930 --> 01:07:22,810
or the release of the order conditions.

960
01:07:23,090 --> 01:07:25,190
All right, though.

961
01:07:25,610 --> 01:07:27,370
Okay, let me just get this document up.

962
01:07:27,450 --> 01:07:28,990
He worked very hard on it and I'm struggling.

963
01:07:29,850 --> 01:07:29,970
So.

964
01:07:31,500 --> 01:07:42,540
So, Phase 4 was to do the work in the field, both Commissioner Ulary and I and maybe other commissioners went down to see the work getting done.

965
01:07:43,020 --> 01:07:59,400
They put together a very professional documentation about where this project has been and where is going to the completion of the Phase 4 Colvert project recording and the Phase 4 replacement photograph documentation.

966
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:07,160
So this is his presentation. I'm showing right here. This is splendid. The work was fantastic.

967
01:08:07,900 --> 01:08:12,860
He bought pre-fabbed piping. He did everything the commission asked.

968
01:08:13,900 --> 01:08:19,120
And he's done the plantings subsequent to this as well. So they're shown as well.

969
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:24,460
And I thought it documented in myself and I'm pretty impressed with this.

970
01:08:24,460 --> 01:08:38,540
This is the general phase close-out right here and what he's looking for is he's looking for approval of this plan and also to get to the point where

971
01:08:39,900 --> 01:08:44,820
town council can provide a portable instrument.

972
01:08:47,660 --> 01:08:50,400
The plans have to survive for a amount of time before.

973
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:51,440
Well, wait a minute.

974
01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:52,400
It's not worth spent.

975
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:58,240
And so, five years is typical, but the commission could actually reduce it to three, if

976
01:08:58,240 --> 01:08:58,640
they want.

977
01:08:59,300 --> 01:09:00,580
And I've talked that over with David.

978
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:04,820
This is going to end up being out of scope of the stipulate consolidated once it's closed

979
01:09:04,820 --> 01:09:05,460
out.

980
01:09:05,660 --> 01:09:06,980
I think David's a good risk.

981
01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:07,940
I don't think he's...

982
01:09:07,940 --> 01:09:08,320
Yeah, no.

983
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:09,280
I'm just asking.

984
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,540
I'm not asking if that's part of the stipulated order of conditions.

985
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:14,940
Yeah.

986
01:09:14,940 --> 01:09:15,020
Yeah.

987
01:09:15,220 --> 01:09:16,260
It's within five years.

988
01:09:17,460 --> 01:09:19,440
So this can't get released for five years after.

989
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:26,480
It could get released tonight, and then he knows that with the ratification being that he has to

990
01:09:26,480 --> 01:09:32,780
continue through the years, but he can come back, but I know it's a little weird.

991
01:09:33,560 --> 01:09:33,960
Chris?

992
01:09:34,700 --> 01:09:35,720
Yeah, we're just going to make comments.

993
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,000
It's great that we got this done.

994
01:09:37,140 --> 01:09:38,220
I haven't been down to see it.

995
01:09:38,340 --> 01:09:39,060
I don't think I need to.

996
01:09:39,260 --> 01:09:41,490
With enough other people going down to look at it.

997
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:46,280
But typically, when we do an order of conditions for this kind of a large structure and a resource

998
01:09:46,280 --> 01:09:48,060
area, we have some kind of plan.

999
01:09:48,060 --> 01:09:57,120
And usually you have a close-out with a statement by an engineer that was built according to the specifications and I just don't even have like a sketch plan

1000
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:00,320
So we may want to direct them to have something for the record

1001
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:07,340
So that when the next guy comes in in 25 years and wants to redo it, he can pull up a plan and say the culvert's ex-feet wide

1002
01:10:07,340 --> 01:10:10,060
It's a this big of you know precast

1003
01:10:11,780 --> 01:10:16,680
There's about this much fill, just something that goes in the record to say, we all allowed

1004
01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:18,120
this to be able to pelth at this size.

1005
01:10:18,580 --> 01:10:22,420
Again, if we're not requiring an engineer to come in and survey in the rest, we can at least

1006
01:10:22,420 --> 01:10:26,620
come out there and have some of them sketch it out with actual physical dimensions, like

1007
01:10:26,620 --> 01:10:31,440
the world is this wide, the railings, this high, this long, you're looking for an as-built.

1008
01:10:32,180 --> 01:10:37,760
Yeah, I'm not requiring, I'm not suggesting you require an engineer to go in and make a statement

1009
01:10:37,760 --> 01:10:42,300
and do a surveyed plan, I'm just thinking you need something that talks about what's

1010
01:10:42,300 --> 01:10:42,800
here now.

1011
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:47,800
I think I hear when Chris is saying typically there would be a back door out to close

1012
01:10:47,800 --> 01:10:48,760
everything up.

1013
01:10:48,860 --> 01:10:53,760
Nobody thought that far down the road, they did think about recording with the Barnes

1014
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:58,040
Civil County Registry D, typically that's not done with enforcement orders, it was done

1015
01:10:58,040 --> 01:10:58,420
here.

1016
01:10:58,700 --> 01:11:02,880
So that was supposed to be the guarantee, I think you have everything you want, the plans

1017
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:09,880
provided by Kieran, Kris is not asking for anything more than that. He's just looking

1018
01:11:09,880 --> 01:11:15,940
for, you know, could an oversight. I was down there with Commissioner O'Leary, did any

1019
01:11:15,940 --> 01:11:21,080
of the commissioners go? They may have, Chris, you ought to go. I think the work is exceptional.

1020
01:11:21,640 --> 01:11:27,060
I do understand that, you know, maybe there might be having a small move. I sort of doubt

1021
01:11:27,060 --> 01:11:32,620
it. The construction team was very organized. I walked in and they were all working.

1022
01:11:32,620 --> 01:11:37,280
and hammering in unison. They didn't know that's coming. I would snuck up on them.

1023
01:11:38,020 --> 01:11:41,600
And so, what was very short, I don't have that fear in this one.

1024
01:11:42,340 --> 01:11:45,780
And I would also, if I were a sitting commissioner, I would vote yes.

1025
01:11:46,240 --> 01:11:49,300
And I would say, I would trust him to do the full five years.

1026
01:11:49,700 --> 01:11:51,860
I mean, kind of medium in the three.

1027
01:11:52,660 --> 01:11:57,460
If he has 100% succession or very close to that, that's what I personally would do.

1028
01:11:57,740 --> 01:11:59,520
I do here because of curses concerns.

1029
01:12:00,100 --> 01:12:04,900
I think we've taken this as far as you can, you know, how I wanted something for the file.

1030
01:12:05,220 --> 01:12:08,880
So we do have a, we do have your plan that shows the culvert, no, the size of the building.

1031
01:12:08,880 --> 01:12:12,560
Yeah, but it doesn't show the as bill. So when we did the culvert down across the,

1032
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,820
when they put the guardrail and they put it in the wrong spot.

1033
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:18,540
But those kind of things happen in construction and we just don't know what this is.

1034
01:12:19,620 --> 01:12:26,420
I would just say, you know, get out there with a piece of paper and some measurements and just document that this is what we have.

1035
01:12:26,420 --> 01:12:36,780
And that might be enough for the future agent in 20 years who wants to, you know, permit some work on the same site to say, hey, that's what's what was put in an authorized end of this work. That's all.

1036
01:12:37,180 --> 01:12:38,560
I do hear Chris's point.

1037
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,660
And it's just he wants to have a closely akin to the ads built.

1038
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:44,980
And I get what a sketch plan.

1039
01:12:45,380 --> 01:12:46,260
He's got an average.

1040
01:12:46,740 --> 01:12:48,120
He's asking just like you do.

1041
01:12:48,400 --> 01:12:49,400
What can you do?

1042
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:49,640
What can you do?

1043
01:12:49,740 --> 01:12:50,260
What can you do?

1044
01:12:50,260 --> 01:12:51,320
The men are not as big.

1045
01:12:51,520 --> 01:12:52,460
It's not a huge deal.

1046
01:12:53,460 --> 01:12:55,020
They can take some pictures.

1047
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:56,240
They can take some pictures.

1048
01:12:56,240 --> 01:12:58,460
on the pictures if you wanted to. Here's the dimensions in one.

1049
01:12:58,840 --> 01:13:01,080
We're not looking for, I understand what Chris is looking for.

1050
01:13:01,260 --> 01:13:03,380
He's not looking for the already exist.

1051
01:13:04,020 --> 01:13:04,420
Yeah.

1052
01:13:04,420 --> 01:13:05,640
Call for David, just to ready.

1053
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:06,340
Right.

1054
01:13:07,060 --> 01:13:10,100
So what do you just amended this thing in the added attachment to it?

1055
01:13:10,160 --> 01:13:11,020
Would that be fun?

1056
01:13:11,420 --> 01:13:12,300
This came to come in after.

1057
01:13:12,460 --> 01:13:16,840
I think you could vote the clothes if he provides you with a sketch showing the dimensions of what's

1058
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:17,120
no.

1059
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:19,260
Okay.

1060
01:13:19,540 --> 01:13:22,720
I mean, I'm assuming there'll be very close to the plan.

1061
01:13:23,040 --> 01:13:23,160
Yeah.

1062
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,400
You can mark on that when you say it's little.

1063
01:13:25,480 --> 01:13:26,000
We feed wider.

1064
01:13:26,220 --> 01:13:28,880
It's one foot taller, who cares, just document it.

1065
01:13:30,380 --> 01:13:34,920
So I guess what I'm curious is what exactly dimensions,

1066
01:13:35,620 --> 01:13:38,240
like height, like the road, because I mean,

1067
01:13:38,400 --> 01:13:40,180
like survey is going to be able to shoot.

1068
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:41,900
I'm going to ask him on a survey.

1069
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:43,060
He's asking for you.

1070
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:44,700
We're not asking for a survey.

1071
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:46,320
I mean, that's the only thing.

1072
01:13:46,600 --> 01:13:48,120
The changes might have come in.

1073
01:13:48,260 --> 01:13:50,860
I mean, it's a prefabricated pipe.

1074
01:13:50,860 --> 01:13:57,680
So yeah, but you put, you put fill over the top, you built the guard rail, those kind of things just document on the sketches, I'm wearing it like what's

1075
01:13:57,680 --> 01:13:58,200
I'm going to do it.

1076
01:13:58,200 --> 01:13:59,120
You can do it, David.

1077
01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:00,220
I have to play a film.

1078
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:02,340
It's like with the level of stability.

1079
01:14:02,620 --> 01:14:05,620
What would happen, typically with these kind of closed situations?

1080
01:14:05,800 --> 01:14:06,680
Big of a thousand words.

1081
01:14:07,180 --> 01:14:11,340
You're going to deploy a sweater and you get a sketch plan of some kind or an aswell.

1082
01:14:11,660 --> 01:14:17,340
You can totally control this and have an agenda to this and hopefully they can close tonight with that guarantee.

1083
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:18,220
Okay.

1084
01:14:18,220 --> 01:14:19,540
That'll come in in the next segment.

1085
01:14:19,660 --> 01:14:20,280
Chris is satisfied.

1086
01:14:20,460 --> 01:14:21,720
David says, find the commission.

1087
01:14:22,060 --> 01:14:23,380
So I just like to think some time

1088
01:14:23,380 --> 01:14:25,540
to draft the final closing document

1089
01:14:25,540 --> 01:14:28,420
to go to the court to get plenty of time.

1090
01:14:28,620 --> 01:14:30,460
But if you've all done a heat town council,

1091
01:14:30,740 --> 01:14:31,440
bottling this.

1092
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:34,140
Well, he does because it's a good rid of it.

1093
01:14:34,140 --> 01:14:35,260
It's a responsible document.

1094
01:14:35,980 --> 01:14:36,100
Yeah, all right.

1095
01:14:36,100 --> 01:14:39,840
This is one time, because I don't have no idea how you do it.

1096
01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:40,140
Yeah.

1097
01:14:40,780 --> 01:14:42,300
This is, this is what it has to get off.

1098
01:14:42,640 --> 01:14:43,560
It's on the deed now.

1099
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,040
So the last one thing, that one of the commissioners,

1100
01:14:47,040 --> 01:14:53,020
You got town council, director of natural resources, and the conservation administrator.

1101
01:14:53,700 --> 01:14:55,260
I'd like one of us to build in this.

1102
01:14:55,500 --> 01:14:58,020
Sure. Yeah. It's so great. It's great.

1103
01:14:58,440 --> 01:14:59,960
I'll find one of you guys and have you.

1104
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,780
I don't care who, you're the chair, Mike, you start with you.

1105
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:06,220
Okay, and then if I say no, we can go.

1106
01:15:07,160 --> 01:15:07,520
Okay.

1107
01:15:08,280 --> 01:15:10,580
Mike, can I pick anybody, or do you want me to pick you?

1108
01:15:10,820 --> 01:15:12,700
They start with me, and then we can send those units around.

1109
01:15:13,300 --> 01:15:13,500
Okay.

1110
01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:14,260
We're all just going to have.

1111
01:15:15,020 --> 01:15:16,560
Well, okay, wait, he's like, yes, I'm over here.

1112
01:15:16,740 --> 01:15:17,320
I'm over here.

1113
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,440
All right, can I get a motion, then?

1114
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:23,280
Okay, I move to approve the Phase 4 closed that report and request for release,

1115
01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:29,980
a stipulated consolidated order for 2628 Main Street and zero Main Street,

1116
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:37,040
That includes the Culver replacement and associated restoration planning and annual monitoring

1117
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,580
reports for both the restoration planning, and general and associated with the Culver

1118
01:15:40,580 --> 01:15:45,560
replacement through December 1, 2021, or until 100% plant succession has achieved, and

1119
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:49,340
direct the conservation administrative to coordinate with town council and director of naturally

1120
01:15:49,340 --> 01:15:53,980
sources and a conservation commissioner to draft a recordable instrument to close the stipulated

1121
01:15:53,980 --> 01:15:58,640
consolidated order recording at the recording at the Barsville County Registry of Deeds,

1122
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:07,040
as well as generating a, as the applicant to generate a sketch plan or photographs of the

1123
01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:08,420
Colbert in its current state.

1124
01:16:08,600 --> 01:16:09,080
I couldn't.

1125
01:16:09,340 --> 01:16:09,780
All those in favor?

1126
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:10,380
Thank you.

1127
01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:11,040
Chair of all time.

1128
01:16:11,040 --> 01:16:11,820
I'll show a pass in there.

1129
01:16:11,960 --> 01:16:12,380
Thank you.

1130
01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:13,360
Thank you.

1131
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:14,080
Thank you.

1132
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:17,100
That was KP and Arm and GQ3.

1133
01:16:17,900 --> 01:16:18,540
All right.

1134
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:21,280
Let's just give the David a round of applause here.

1135
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:22,840
Thank you.

1136
01:16:24,440 --> 01:16:28,740
Thank you very much, thank you guys, I'll see you in December for the annual monitor.

1137
01:16:29,160 --> 01:16:29,520
All right.

1138
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:30,260
We got you.

1139
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:31,860
So you don't have to come for a while.

1140
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:33,960
We're going to miss you.

1141
01:16:34,360 --> 01:16:35,560
Yeah, all right.

1142
01:16:35,900 --> 01:16:38,700
You want to talk about the southern prime Beatles or you want to put some on it.

1143
01:16:38,700 --> 01:16:39,960
Yeah, I'm not a total expert on this.

1144
01:16:40,020 --> 01:16:44,540
I just know I bumped into a couple projects for these things that just devoured the base of trees.

1145
01:16:45,320 --> 01:16:49,840
And, you know, people are going in and they get permits for, say, sed tray.

1146
01:16:49,960 --> 01:16:51,620
And next, you know, oh, this has got the beetle.

1147
01:16:51,620 --> 01:16:58,200
and so the beetles are everywhere and I don't know if we want to maybe do something on the

1148
01:16:58,200 --> 01:17:05,300
website or make this part of the mission under biomass somehow as I tangent to it but there's

1149
01:17:05,300 --> 01:17:12,120
been a large amount of communication that Chris and I are on regarding this very topic and so there's

1150
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:16,180
like a whole community watching it and they're concerned. I think we got to get to know some

1151
01:17:16,180 --> 01:17:22,600
is better about this and about the American Beach Tree leaf disease. And I think that's a

1152
01:17:22,600 --> 01:17:28,240
sub-segment of the biomass. You can't see that as the driver. And this kind of follows to

1153
01:17:28,240 --> 01:17:33,880
some extent. I don't have a ton of time to go into this, but I think it's something that we

1154
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:38,760
should recognize is going to become a blight that's happening. And we should be prepared to say,

1155
01:17:39,060 --> 01:17:45,400
okay, all right, so 23s have to go. They are beetles. We need to find a planting plant that

1156
01:17:45,400 --> 01:17:51,120
but he can live with also. So there's going to be a given take with this. You can't just be,

1157
01:17:51,140 --> 01:17:54,780
all right, I got dangerous trees there. It has a day go. It's all a new straight in review.

1158
01:17:55,360 --> 01:17:59,180
There may be a need to have some file mask component coming back as well.

1159
01:17:59,980 --> 01:18:02,700
Oh, yeah, for the chair. What kind of trees are they target?

1160
01:18:03,200 --> 01:18:08,940
The target pine trees. I know they hit the pitch, pitch pine. I'm not exactly sure how hard they

1161
01:18:08,940 --> 01:18:14,120
hit the eastern oil white pine. We don't have a ton of them around here, but I would say

1162
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:17,880
to take the bark, it is attractive to both, but I'm not sure of that.

1163
01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:22,620
I know they're at the board, so they're a board, and they're at the board, and they just

1164
01:18:22,620 --> 01:18:23,920
shoot the bottom of it.

1165
01:18:24,120 --> 01:18:28,540
I'll tell you, they usually disturb area, they'll come into a disturb area, and they'll

1166
01:18:28,540 --> 01:18:29,240
hit that.

1167
01:18:29,380 --> 01:18:30,840
I have not seen them hit any weight.

1168
01:18:31,320 --> 01:18:36,100
So I saw one interesting, you're saying this, because I saw one on Klopp's pond, and we

1169
01:18:36,100 --> 01:18:42,760
had permitted tree for it with an AR under like 15 feet from the pond, about 25 feet closer

1170
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:48,820
the house, another one had had the Beatles. I came to just show Gabby this project and

1171
01:18:48,820 --> 01:18:52,380
what do I find the second tree down? You don't have a permit for this way. Here we are,

1172
01:18:52,520 --> 01:18:55,120
there's the Beatles thing. That's like got my attention on.

1173
01:18:55,560 --> 01:18:58,580
Another side of the coin is Bill. It's kind of like part of the natural progression.

1174
01:18:59,260 --> 01:19:03,060
The edge of the coin is the only long and then because the other tree is a chance to grow up

1175
01:19:03,060 --> 01:19:07,020
and it's been going on for a long time. Yeah, I agree. But it's a lawn and you'll lose what's

1176
01:19:07,020 --> 01:19:12,020
happening is that tree is in the wooded area that's pressed back by lawn and it's going to keep

1177
01:19:12,020 --> 01:19:17,000
go and so if you don't stop that and plan a tree or something at some point, and I don't

1178
01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:20,720
think every day, you've got to look at every case into the tree, I don't know if we

1179
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:26,260
just having a set of things, I mean, somebody needs to take some of these pitchpines out

1180
01:19:26,260 --> 01:19:31,440
because of the Southern Beetle, and we'll just look at it and if it's an area that you can plan

1181
01:19:31,440 --> 01:19:36,060
a tree or a plant tree, if it's not, then we'll also do things in terms of fire breaks because

1182
01:19:36,060 --> 01:19:39,640
these things tend to go up like a house on fire.

1183
01:19:39,640 --> 01:19:43,580
Sorry, I think it's just something we're just looking at case by case basis.

1184
01:19:43,580 --> 01:19:47,820
All right, um, do you want to talk about your guns tonight or you want to push that off?

1185
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:52,740
Shut up, do you mic? It's up to you. It's only take one minute. One minute. We can do one minute. Okay.

1186
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:53,560
I'm telling you.

1187
01:19:57,760 --> 01:20:02,740
Oh, over the years, in dealing with people in docs, it's just a lot of questions that come up.

1188
01:20:04,180 --> 01:20:09,660
mainly a lot of frustration, homeowners trying to understand what we've been talking about.

1189
01:20:09,860 --> 01:20:14,780
And to try to talk to a homeowner, it's like trying to teach him a foreign language an hour

1190
01:20:14,780 --> 01:20:16,720
or hour and a half, he just can't.

1191
01:20:16,920 --> 01:20:23,020
So now trying to come up with another form, just a general outline information.

1192
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:25,300
It's two pages, one pages of picture.

1193
01:20:27,020 --> 01:20:28,060
It's got some definitions.

1194
01:20:29,240 --> 01:20:32,240
And then the basic gives an outline of the procedure.

1195
01:20:32,700 --> 01:20:33,760
And when it comes to the docs,

1196
01:20:34,300 --> 01:20:38,060
whether it's a complaint after the fact or going to start new,

1197
01:20:39,120 --> 01:20:40,200
they're going to start with an engineer,

1198
01:20:40,740 --> 01:20:41,920
unless they can do it themselves.

1199
01:20:42,160 --> 01:20:43,980
In that case, they're not going to,

1200
01:20:44,060 --> 01:20:45,100
they're not going to do them any good.

1201
01:20:46,020 --> 01:20:47,860
So it's just to try to help people,

1202
01:20:48,140 --> 01:20:51,040
save it a little time on everybody's part,

1203
01:20:51,500 --> 01:20:52,380
you know, conservation,

1204
01:20:52,700 --> 01:20:55,140
administrative, because after the first conversation,

1205
01:20:55,760 --> 01:20:57,780
they usually back with their engineer for a second round.

1206
01:20:58,500 --> 01:20:58,980
So.

1207
01:21:00,340 --> 01:21:01,160
That's just good.

1208
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:02,780
Something wrong with forms.

1209
01:21:03,080 --> 01:21:04,480
I mean, you say forms like it's a bad thing.

1210
01:21:04,540 --> 01:21:05,220
Forms are great.

1211
01:21:05,900 --> 01:21:08,460
Especially for people who need to be guided through a process.

1212
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:09,860
Especially when they can cross off something.

1213
01:21:09,860 --> 01:21:12,000
That's good form with a checklist on it.

1214
01:21:12,200 --> 01:21:13,760
There's nothing to beat it.

1215
01:21:13,820 --> 01:21:14,480
And thank you for.

1216
01:21:14,780 --> 01:21:15,020
Okay.

1217
01:21:15,500 --> 01:21:15,980
Checkless.

1218
01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:18,360
Okay.

1219
01:21:20,100 --> 01:21:22,060
Are you here for administrative review?

1220
01:21:23,960 --> 01:21:24,240
Okay.

1221
01:21:24,580 --> 01:21:24,620
Okay.

1222
01:21:24,620 --> 01:21:25,280
Two, three.

1223
01:21:34,720 --> 01:21:44,520
And then another one fell into our easement, which shows it'll help me with getting up.

1224
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:46,580
All right, Bill, what are we looking for in our room?

1225
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:50,880
Well, Gary was panelist, so I'm just about to pull it up, because they did a nice job in their room education.

1226
01:21:52,620 --> 01:21:54,900
Should go with the supplemental, or should I go with the original?

1227
01:21:55,660 --> 01:21:58,880
Well, the supplemental has the steps.

1228
01:21:59,420 --> 01:21:59,600
Okay.

1229
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:00,100
Back with you.

1230
01:22:00,660 --> 01:22:02,600
And the other one had a bright set.

1231
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:03,160
Okay.

1232
01:22:03,180 --> 01:22:05,760
So let me just switch this and bring it to the language.

1233
01:22:06,140 --> 01:22:07,740
Here we go.

1234
01:22:08,600 --> 01:22:14,640
They have a deck and what they're doing is expanding it about, I think,

1235
01:22:14,740 --> 01:22:18,200
66 square feet somewhere on those lines.

1236
01:22:18,660 --> 01:22:24,160
And this is what it looks like here is what they're proposing.

1237
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:29,980
and this is their revised plan. They've got three footings as you can see, I can stay.

1238
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:31,080
Mayors out here.

1239
01:22:31,580 --> 01:22:37,680
Yeah, but it's pulled back. It's tighter up against the House, and the stairs are sort of in the middle of it.

1240
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:45,300
It's a kind of odd configuration. And so this kind of, I believe, uniform to do my correct Mr. Solon.

1241
01:22:46,360 --> 01:22:47,520
Is that correct?

1242
01:22:48,660 --> 01:22:50,000
That is correct.

1243
01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:50,940
What's drawn there?

1244
01:22:51,200 --> 01:22:51,540
Right there.

1245
01:22:51,740 --> 01:22:54,580
But the original has the stairs kind of were on wearing the-

1246
01:22:54,580 --> 01:22:55,340
Yes, yeah.

1247
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:55,920
Yeah, where you're correct.

1248
01:22:56,020 --> 01:22:59,100
And it's a small, every little creating the stairs and putting a deck on the same spot.

1249
01:22:59,100 --> 01:23:05,400
Yeah, it's not that close to the resource area either just checking the notes here.

1250
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,900
It's in the 50 to 100 and I believe it's on the closer to the 100.

1251
01:23:09,380 --> 01:23:11,720
So it's like 90 something. 90, you know.

1252
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:13,580
So I think it's a proof.

1253
01:23:13,880 --> 01:23:15,380
Anybody have any issues with this?

1254
01:23:17,340 --> 01:23:18,960
Move to approve the administrative review.

1255
01:23:19,160 --> 01:23:21,760
AR-2675 for applicants down in Judy Stevens.

1256
01:23:22,020 --> 01:23:22,480
203.

1257
01:23:22,600 --> 01:23:26,860
Layland Road, authorizing the expansion of a deck in the 50 to 100 foot buffer zone to inland bank.

1258
01:23:27,060 --> 01:23:27,320
Second.

1259
01:23:27,540 --> 01:23:28,160
All those in favor?

1260
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:35,180
I'm sorry about that. I'm also passing it honestly. Thank you. Okay, wonderful. So if you keep an eye out on that and if you have a building permit work with our

1261
01:23:35,180 --> 01:23:37,520
All right, next we have

1262
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:38,620
No worries

1263
01:23:39,300 --> 01:23:46,980
672 Main Street right that's another AR. I don't know if there's anybody. Oh, yeah, she is. Um, so

1264
01:23:47,820 --> 01:23:53,580
The property owner is there. Do you want to talk about this? I'm basically it's an administrator. Yeah, what is it?

1265
01:23:56,750 --> 01:23:57,230
Oh

1266
01:23:57,790 --> 01:23:59,150
Okay, so

1267
01:23:59,150 --> 01:24:08,170
This has to do with a pipe that's under a deck and it's a little tricky and they've given you two options in the presentation.

1268
01:24:08,970 --> 01:24:13,170
One would be everything goes well and I just lift the deck, they replace the pipe.

1269
01:24:15,670 --> 01:24:23,690
And the other alternative is it doesn't go well and they have to take out a tree to get access and bring in some larger equipment.

1270
01:24:23,690 --> 01:24:30,570
We're hoping to be able to limit the approach and giving you a nice job, a nice presentation

1271
01:24:30,570 --> 01:24:35,570
here of a preferred method, no tree removal option 2 is a tree removal.

1272
01:24:35,790 --> 01:24:43,310
They're right on a, you can see from this locust map, right on a cranberry bog, a boarding

1273
01:24:43,310 --> 01:24:48,530
vegetative wetland and this is an old plan that they present it so that you can see how close

1274
01:24:48,530 --> 01:24:55,310
as you wetland is here, and the deck in the septic system is over on the left hand side,

1275
01:24:55,570 --> 01:24:57,390
which is the west side of the property.

1276
01:24:58,170 --> 01:25:04,030
Well, in all of this, I think the first thing is exigent circumstances here.

1277
01:25:04,350 --> 01:25:05,550
We've got a failed type.

1278
01:25:05,550 --> 01:25:07,430
Oh, I was going to say that septic type.

1279
01:25:07,430 --> 01:25:08,190
It's a septic type.

1280
01:25:08,330 --> 01:25:08,770
It's a septic type.

1281
01:25:08,930 --> 01:25:09,450
It's a septic type.

1282
01:25:09,450 --> 01:25:09,710
It's a septic type.

1283
01:25:09,810 --> 01:25:11,970
This is going to happen.

1284
01:25:12,030 --> 01:25:12,130
Yeah.

1285
01:25:12,370 --> 01:25:13,130
No, it has to happen.

1286
01:25:13,870 --> 01:25:16,890
The thing is, you probably could lose a tree if they had to go the other way.

1287
01:25:16,890 --> 01:25:20,010
It's going to do the best they can, but this is an exigent.

1288
01:25:20,070 --> 01:25:25,770
It's on the board of being an RDA, but I think the situation is almost emergency, almost.

1289
01:25:26,150 --> 01:25:27,930
So I would say stay with the A-Rido.

1290
01:25:28,970 --> 01:25:29,550
Move to approve.

1291
01:25:29,590 --> 01:25:30,270
David's favorite review.

1292
01:25:30,650 --> 01:25:32,170
2676 for applicant Felicity.

1293
01:25:32,470 --> 01:25:36,910
Lou Beck at 672 May Street, authorizing your move of a debt replacement of a pipe and potential

1294
01:25:36,910 --> 01:25:40,650
removal of flowering dogwood tree and a zero to 50 foot buffer zone to bordering vegetable.

1295
01:25:40,990 --> 01:25:41,290
Second.

1296
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:42,090
All those in favor?

1297
01:25:42,450 --> 01:25:42,570
Hi.

1298
01:25:42,710 --> 01:25:44,130
What's the motion passed unanimously?

1299
01:25:46,490 --> 01:25:52,910
Keep doing the AR, the administrative view, which is usually just very simple thing, you say, we pass it.

1300
01:25:53,250 --> 01:25:55,230
We can make in these people come here to these meetings.

1301
01:25:55,810 --> 01:26:01,410
Maybe we can put the administrative review in the agenda beforehand.

1302
01:26:02,190 --> 01:26:05,770
So these people don't have to sit through something that only takes five minutes.

1303
01:26:06,030 --> 01:26:06,310
We agree.

1304
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:08,450
We don't do anything to get them to come here.

1305
01:26:08,450 --> 01:26:12,510
I don't know, but it just seems like there would happen last week, but you know, it happens a lot.

1306
01:26:12,810 --> 01:26:17,730
If so, if this is something that just goes so fast, you know, you should go fast.

1307
01:26:17,970 --> 01:26:18,810
Why not put it earlier?

1308
01:26:18,810 --> 01:26:21,790
We'll do a better job and make sure that they know that they don't have to come up.

1309
01:26:21,790 --> 01:26:24,370
Typically, I just, they can still share.

1310
01:26:24,550 --> 01:26:28,690
One of the reasons we've always done the notice of intense first is there's a lot of page consent.

1311
01:26:28,710 --> 01:26:29,530
I understand that.

1312
01:26:29,810 --> 01:26:34,530
But since it's a administrative review, it's usually, you know, Bill says this and we,

1313
01:26:34,910 --> 01:26:36,790
and it goes through, get it done.

1314
01:26:36,790 --> 01:26:47,130
And many of these could have been in the consent agenda, but there's always a question as to whether it's an administrative review or a little more about both these restructures or moving structures or ones in this area.

1315
01:26:47,670 --> 01:26:49,670
But why the would have been just consent.

1316
01:26:50,410 --> 01:26:53,590
We're not giving them the indication any of us, Gabby or me.

1317
01:26:54,070 --> 01:26:56,170
I just, I'm watching these people just now.

1318
01:26:56,310 --> 01:26:56,470
I'm here.

1319
01:26:56,890 --> 01:26:57,950
I know that.

1320
01:26:58,050 --> 01:26:58,290
I agree.

1321
01:26:58,750 --> 01:27:01,010
Tonight was a bad last week.

1322
01:27:02,290 --> 01:27:03,830
I was, I felt bad about that.

1323
01:27:03,830 --> 01:27:08,710
We usually have a notification and we say you don't need to come with the KSUC or extended

1324
01:27:08,710 --> 01:27:11,790
But that was just a thought like you're the chair. You set the agenda

1325
01:27:11,790 --> 01:27:15,970
Yeah, I mean, I just don't just see how it goes because that's just something I'm just

1326
01:27:15,970 --> 01:27:17,790
We didn't do it chair sets the agenda

1327
01:27:17,790 --> 01:27:18,170
Right?

1328
01:27:18,330 --> 01:27:23,010
I know, so I just something the only thing we could do is we could say at the very beginning when you start

1329
01:27:23,010 --> 01:27:27,850
There's a couple of administrative reviews is there anyone here and if so you move to the front

1330
01:27:27,850 --> 01:27:28,470
That would help.

1331
01:27:28,570 --> 01:27:29,510
Just get it done.

1332
01:27:29,510 --> 01:27:32,390
We can take it sometimes very fast in just how much time it is.

1333
01:27:32,610 --> 01:27:34,150
I'm just watching these people.

1334
01:27:34,150 --> 01:27:34,770
Good point.

1335
01:27:35,270 --> 01:27:35,390
Good point.

1336
01:27:36,130 --> 01:27:36,690
All right.

1337
01:27:37,410 --> 01:27:39,610
Or do you want me to do that and push it?

1338
01:27:39,610 --> 01:27:40,110
Let's just see.

1339
01:27:40,270 --> 01:27:40,710
We're going to go.

1340
01:27:41,210 --> 01:27:42,190
We'll see how close we know.

1341
01:27:42,330 --> 01:27:43,550
We'll just leave it the way it is.

1342
01:27:43,590 --> 01:27:45,010
I just wanted to get that out of here.

1343
01:27:45,290 --> 01:27:48,850
Next we have enforcement for 52 Captain Baker Road, Doug Easey.

1344
01:27:50,590 --> 01:27:52,610
They wanted a continuation to the 13th.

1345
01:27:52,710 --> 01:27:54,190
So I kind of stepped in and I did that.

1346
01:27:54,250 --> 01:27:54,730
I said yes.

1347
01:27:54,730 --> 01:28:00,710
but I've asked them to provide the erosion control concluded and get a report to us by

1348
01:28:00,710 --> 01:28:04,010
12 noon September 11th, because that's from Lingrax, it's June.

1349
01:28:04,870 --> 01:28:05,070
Okay.

1350
01:28:06,790 --> 01:28:12,710
Do we have any, I think that we would all like to see this not drag out.

1351
01:28:13,890 --> 01:28:19,410
So can we make it very clear to the consultants and to the applicant, well, they're not

1352
01:28:19,410 --> 01:28:24,650
to the enforcement that this needs to move forward.

1353
01:28:25,290 --> 01:28:27,470
And this is a one-off discontinuation.

1354
01:28:28,190 --> 01:28:29,310
And why it had to go for a month?

1355
01:28:29,530 --> 01:28:31,470
I'm not sure. Why it couldn't go to the 22nd.

1356
01:28:32,850 --> 01:28:34,470
Right. I think what's happening there,

1357
01:28:34,590 --> 01:28:37,890
just to be logical, is the ask for time to get the engineer

1358
01:28:37,890 --> 01:28:40,210
because that is the variable they need right now.

1359
01:28:40,910 --> 01:28:43,810
And they've come through with an excellent plan.

1360
01:28:44,110 --> 01:28:47,210
So I basically said, this is disappointing that they're asking for this.

1361
01:28:47,210 --> 01:28:52,670
However, you're excellent report, which the Commission like has merited the approval.

1362
01:28:53,410 --> 01:28:55,530
But I think I can count pretty well into your point.

1363
01:28:55,610 --> 01:28:59,510
Order conditions that we do need to have some sort of time.

1364
01:28:59,890 --> 01:29:00,530
Again, great.

1365
01:29:00,970 --> 01:29:03,010
Which we can discuss when we get further.

1366
01:29:03,370 --> 01:29:03,570
Okay.

1367
01:29:04,190 --> 01:29:06,850
Move to continue the enforcement discussion.

1368
01:29:07,890 --> 01:29:09,570
Move to continue the enforcement order.

1369
01:29:09,670 --> 01:29:10,950
Ian F. 26, I want it.

1370
01:29:11,110 --> 01:29:14,470
52 Captain Baker Road to the October 13th, 206 Commission Public Meeting.

1371
01:29:14,670 --> 01:29:14,930
Second.

1372
01:29:15,650 --> 01:29:16,290
All those things.

1373
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:46,270
All right, next we have two 90 foster road cardmen, so they are going to have the restoration plan by 9, 29, 20, 26, the fines are at 9,000 dollars, so they know about that, and I would suggest a one one more meeting continuation and perhaps one more after that because the plan will come in on the 29th of September and

1374
01:29:46,270 --> 01:29:48,570
That's number one, we need to get that in.

1375
01:29:49,490 --> 01:29:54,490
We have to continue the enforcement discussion, E&F2602 at 290 Foster Road for Cargman to the

1376
01:29:54,490 --> 01:29:56,850
September 22nd, 236 Commission Public Meeting.

1377
01:29:56,910 --> 01:29:57,150
Second.

1378
01:29:57,430 --> 01:29:57,910
Call those in favour?

1379
01:29:58,090 --> 01:29:58,490
Aye.

1380
01:29:59,010 --> 01:29:59,490
Aye.

1381
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,100
All right, thank you, every Board of the National Resource Director, nothing new this week.

1382
01:30:03,340 --> 01:30:04,560
All right, report a conservation administrative?

1383
01:30:04,740 --> 01:30:12,020
Yeah, how Lua, the fall conference for the Max 20, Max 2026, all conferences coming up.

1384
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:16,920
I'm sorry, October 24th. It's going to be held in the devins. The theme is, why do we do it?

1385
01:30:17,160 --> 01:30:22,960
The science and ecology of wetness protection. There's going to be a route. There's always a wide range of courses to take programs.

1386
01:30:23,060 --> 01:30:29,440
You got access to major subject matter experts. They hold these meetings typically in the same location in October.

1387
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:36,400
And this is a great chance to complete any missing Mac fundamental courses because they typically offer a whole bunch.

1388
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:41,460
I think most of the commissioners have got their Mac fundamentals down and made a few you're still working on them.

1389
01:30:41,580 --> 01:30:46,380
So it's something to think about and you get the intermingle with like minded people and find out what they're doing.

1390
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:47,700
Sometimes that's helpful.

1391
01:30:49,660 --> 01:30:49,900
All right.

1392
01:30:50,060 --> 01:30:51,160
We have the meeting minutes.

1393
01:30:51,960 --> 01:30:57,480
I moved to approve the draft conservation commission meeting minutes for July 14th, 2026 as prepared.

1394
01:30:57,480 --> 01:31:05,340
Second I was a favorite. I care about time motion pass unanimously moved to approve the draft commission meeting minutes for July 28 26 as prepared

1395
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:11,240
All those in favor. I hear about tonight motion pass unanimously. I didn't get the next one out

1396
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:17,260
So you have to take move move to table the draft the commission meeting minutes for August 11, 206

1397
01:31:18,140 --> 01:31:20,200
All those in favor. I share votes

1398
01:31:20,880 --> 01:31:25,040
All right, motion pass unanimously next we have a matter not anticipated

1399
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:33,060
Our vice chair Kim Pearson has been recognized for her work by texting Brewster Paws as a ripple effect award

1400
01:31:38,850 --> 01:31:40,690
We'll need to get you for

1401
01:31:41,740 --> 01:31:44,210
First they just first

1402
01:31:45,470 --> 01:31:51,070
Let's exciting. I think that's just great. Okay, move to close meeting