[0:00] Ascus Township >> here. [0:01] » Berlin Township >> here. [0:03] » Black Waxon Township >> here. [0:05] » Shoulda Township >> here. [0:08] » Yep. Westall Township >> here. [0:11] » State of New York. >> Commonwealth of Pennsylvania. [0:16] » Delaware River Basin Commission >> here. [0:20] » National Park Service >> here. [0:25] » Thank you. Um the vice president. [0:31] » Yeah. No, I was saying that uh back in last March, we attempted to arrange a [0:38] presentation regarding the Lafi people and that didn't work out at that time. [0:43] Subsequently, there was some reorganization within the tribal [0:47] government and Ant Eden had reached out to us to say that he would be our new [0:53] person to contact and we have been working together recently. The Calun [1:00] Depot is arranging an indigenous people's day on October 17th and we have [1:06] a small committee that's been meeting and Ed has been our representative to [1:10] that and he very agreed to give a presentation to this body the upper [1:16] Delaware council tonight and I will let you take it away from there. Um I will [1:24] call up your slides in a second. [1:30] Aiwani, thank you so much. Delawinci Inc. U my name is Ank Eden. My pronouns [1:36] are he, him or they, them. I'm an independent uh Lape delegate and I am [1:42] from here in Lape Hoking. Um I am based in Pennsylvania, but our ancestral [1:48] homelands, as many of you may know, are Delaware, Pennsylvania, New York, um and [1:55] Maryland. So, without further ado, can everybody [1:58] hear me? Okay. >> Yes. [2:02] » All right. Excellent. So, um just a heads up, I'm going to [2:09] read through my notes. I'll keep a bit of track of time. Um if there are any [2:14] pressing questions, feel free to just have anybody throw up their hand. Um, [2:19] and if at the end of our about half hour slot, we don't get to all those [2:23] questions, I'll hang out until the end with my camera off and when we come [2:27] around to public comment, I would love to hear some more feedback. So, what [2:32] brings us here today, and this will be a little bit more of a discussion. [2:38] » Um, do you have slides that you're pulling up? [2:40] » I only have one. >> Oh, okay. [2:43] » Yep. I only have one. So yeah, that's exactly what I was going to get to. This [2:49] is going to be a little bit more of a discussion than a slide. Um cuz of [2:54] course our topic being creating healthy allyships with indigenous peoples. I [2:58] really want to be able to speak with you, you know, face to face or as face [3:02] to face as it's going to get over Zoom. Um but I'm so grateful for this space [3:08] and for the Upper Delaware Council to initiate this. So, I see plenty of new [3:15] faces here. Um, I actually see some of my own language students. So, Aiwani, [3:22] thank you so much everybody for coming. That being said, uh, so like I said, hi, [3:28] I'm Inc. Um, I have a mixed heritage. So, I am Lena Lape. I'm Asian and I'm [3:35] also European. Um, I merge all of these identities and backgrounds together to [3:41] inform my environmental activism as well as my explorations as an artist and an [3:48] educator. Um, I publish books. I am also a first responder. So, I have my hands [3:56] in a couple different pots. Um because as you'll learn today, one of the things [4:01] that is very important for our peoples is being able to reach into the many [4:08] parts of how it takes a village to function. Uh people serve multiple roles [4:13] and we find what people are good at and like to support them in doing that kind [4:18] of thing. So for me uh my father, my grandfather and both grandfathers and [4:23] their fathers on multiple sides had connections to the water as river [4:28] workers or boatsmen themselves. Uh I carry on this tradition. One of my very [4:32] first memories is being on the water myself. Um and it is probably where I am [4:40] happiest. So, as much as that brings joy, we can also find these deep-seated [4:48] um historical understandings within the river and it has many different ways [4:52] that it can speak to us. Uh it, you know, it's not just something that we [4:56] live near and it gives us our water. It's something that also really shows us [5:02] how healthy we are as a people existing around it. And that's a bit of what [5:06] we're going to talk about today and how we can develop those relationships. [5:11] um across indigenous nations which have many different uh embodiment. Some [5:19] tribes are smaller, some tribes are much larger, some people are independent. [5:25] Um but between native nations as a whole and with organizations such as [5:32] non-governmental organizations, such as legislation and bureaus, how we can find [5:37] ways to work together. And so we're not just stuck in our little compartments of [5:42] our specialties to be able to um bring out the best in all of us. Like [5:49] I was saying, it does indeed take a village. [5:52] So, um, while cultural ties to development around rivers have been part [5:58] of my own relatives history on these multiple continents, I reflect [6:02] on their influence to remember their efforts and times our war of peace that [6:08] taught them what they knew about their environments that taught them what they [6:12] knew about how the environment impacted how they could take care of their [6:16] communities and families. And that is what I really like to center [6:21] in my work. Um, I don't claim to speak for any and all indigenous people. I'm [6:29] here as myself, as a friend, um, as a supporter, and as an advocate, so I will [6:35] speak to my own experiences. And if you ask somebody else, their answers might [6:39] differ a little bit from their own native nations. Um, there are more than [6:44] 500 in the United States, what we call Turtle [6:48] Island alone. So, even when it comes to the Linape people, there are multiple [6:54] tribes. There are multiple clans and we all have our own ways of uh [7:03] holding space for our culture and relating to the land. So, the Lone Lape [7:08] are a river people. Uh the Delaware River itself is a bit of our HQ. It's [7:16] our port. Um the Lape have three clans. And so most [7:24] central to the Delaware River itself, you'll have the Miy up north, which is [7:32] the Wolf Clan. We have the Unami clan, which is Turtle. [7:37] That's my clan. and we're a bit more central. Uh, so I'd [7:43] say about east to Philadelphia and a bit below that. And then we have the [7:46] Unoactigo and they are more of our ocean people [7:52] all the way down at South Jersey and connected to the Delaware Bay. [7:58] So there are multiple indigenous names for some bodies of water as you'll find. [8:02] Uh my community refers to the Delaware River as Lape Cipu, which is a reference [8:08] to how intertwined we are with the river, but it also means uh in the sense [8:14] of being transliterated the river of the original people. [8:19] So this uh way of speaking about the river really denotes how central it is [8:25] to our way of life, how we relate to each other, how we travel, how we [8:30] nourish ourselves, how and why and where we build our villages and the ways in [8:34] which we hold ceremony. So our identity is uh very interwoven [8:41] with the river itself and with the bodies of water. [8:45] There are many different uh traditions that I won't go too deep into today, but [8:50] around uh traditional dugout canoes and the ways that they were made um specific [8:57] ways to hunt our fish depending on the season and um methods around [9:05] peacekeeping between tribes that understood that the river was [9:11] essentially a port for you know not just the the Lape people, but uh the Irkqua, [9:18] the Mohawk is one of the Iricqua tribes that um overlap with both Lape land and [9:25] with the Delaware River. So, it would not just be us traveling along Lape [9:32] Cipu. It would be many people. And the Lape are traditionally considered a um [9:38] tribe that mediates, a tribe that is involved in problem [9:44] solving with other tribes in the northeast. So the river really can be a [9:49] way station for how this happens. And I find this to be relevant even in the [9:53] modern age because when it comes to the politics of native nations, when it [10:01] comes to the politics of protecting our waterways, when it comes to uh [10:05] preventing ecological damages, all of these things, we still have this highway [10:12] of knowledge that is embodied by the river. And I find honestly more than in [10:18] a lot of other areas that the river still symbolizes this now. So gathering [10:23] here today is another great example of how we can carry that on and maintain an [10:30] open discussion. So [10:34] um another aspect is considering that the way that legislation may view uh you [10:43] know human resources and environmental resources and budgeting is very [10:48] different than indigenous knowledge and again the way that we relate to the [10:53] ecology of the land. But these things don't necessarily have [10:57] to exist in separate categories. They don't have to be one without the other. [11:03] Um, if we dedicate ourselves to learning, as I'll talk about a little [11:08] bit later, then we can have these spaces where all of these different [11:14] perspectives begin to mesh together. And it doesn't have to be a conflict of [11:20] interest with well, the indigenous people would really like to do this and [11:24] the budget would really like to do this. So when we are incorporating in [11:30] decision-m um on you know multi-jurisdictional [11:34] levels the understandings that indigenous [11:39] peoples and their communities our communities have then that creates a [11:44] benefit for everyone honestly. Um the value in that is the planning knowledge [11:52] really expands and that's a type of knowledge that [11:58] western society might not otherwise have. Um, [12:02] as I've mentioned uh a little bit and as I'll go [12:08] into a bit more as we go on, we have these cycles around our lives and the [12:13] ways that we develop our community that really pay attention to how the river is [12:20] responding and upkeeping. um not just the you know [12:27] numbers, not just the statistics, not just the industrial projects that are [12:32] happening around it, but upkeeping the sense of the health of the river also [12:38] really denotes the health of ourselves. So some of this knowledge that bureaus, [12:43] legislation, non-governmental organizations might not otherwise have [12:48] is really just a matter of inheritance of familiarity. It's not anybody's [12:52] fault. It's um just a beautiful opportunity that again we can come [12:56] together. So that familiarity that we've inherited really comes around these [13:02] natural developmental uses for the land that are not industrialized. And this [13:07] can really assist in projects that are looking at how we can approach things [13:16] like mitigating flooding for storms. [13:21] uh native plants, for example, many of which are endangered, are having their [13:26] own issues or overh harvested, even commercialized. [13:31] Native plants and their diversity can really take a part in this, can really [13:34] take a part in how we're managing the environment. Um things like erosion for [13:40] example are certain bacteria outbreaks can be mitigated, prevented or even [13:47] resolved with these understandings that you know you might have an environmental [13:54] biologist who knows a little bit about. But if you have somebody who has been [13:59] exposed to these things for generations, whether they were raised in it or not, [14:03] that reconnects with their community and exists within this network, then that [14:09] opens up an entire possibility. So, uh, that really [14:16] invokes the best ways to care for the plants, the animals, the river, the land [14:24] by optimizing the environment, by working with the environment, not just [14:28] on top of it. an example that I really love to use. Um, and this is much less [14:36] water related, but I think that it's a very extreme example of how our [14:44] earth really depends on these native ecologies to survive. Uh, the example [14:50] that I like to give is the Gobi Desert. Obviously, it's a desert. there's not [14:56] water running through it in the same way that we're familiar with here in Lape [15:00] Hoking, the land of the Lape. But um [15:06] deserts essentially still need water. Deserts have their own ecologies. So the [15:10] Gobi Desert is in parts of uh Central and East Asia, part of uh where another [15:16] branch of my family is indigenous to. And the Gobi Desert started having [15:23] issues uh especially around the 80s where it was expanding. It was expanding [15:29] to the point where it was creating dust storms for cities that were thousands of [15:35] kilometers away and uh it was making it very unhealthy for people. Plants were [15:41] dying. There were species that had totally vanished. And um [15:48] what they found was that there was the last type of wild horse that had [15:53] actually disappeared from this area. And this species was extremely endangered. [15:59] So at one point before this project in the 80s and '90s occurred, [16:04] um at one point there were absolutely none of these wild horses actually left [16:11] in the wild. They were entirely in captivity. [16:15] But a very daring project decided to reintroduce these horses back into the [16:21] Gobi Desert. And it took time. Uh it was not, you know, just run free and call it [16:28] a day because that would be negligent. There were many steps and it was very [16:33] well planned but also very very difficult and not without struggle and [16:37] not without sadness. But when these wild horses were reintroduced, they found [16:43] that even in a desert because of the pounding of their hooves, which who [16:49] would have thought it actually helped the desert retain water better in a way [16:55] where otherwise it was creating these dust storms. It was making the entire [16:59] desert crack and plant species that hadn't been seen in 20 years started [17:06] popping up in places that were not expected to be. And it was because of [17:13] the role that these horses played in the native migration patterns in the [17:19] exchange of the ecology and this really rehabilitated this [17:25] desert from a hazard level. So, I like to give this example because I think [17:30] it's a really beautiful reminder of the extreme versions that just a bit more of [17:36] that attention and care to uh the creative thinking about how we can work [17:44] with our environment and what our environment would originally look like. [17:48] Be it uh through people, be it through animals, be it through plants, be it [17:54] through geology. what that can tell us about how we can optimize and not in an [18:02] industrialized way but in a naturalistic way that again helps everybody. [18:07] So that being said, I'm going to scooch a little bit into uh the concept of [18:14] allyship itself. So for native people, we consider everything to be our [18:21] relations. You know, I I'm sitting at home right now and I have plants here [18:26] with me and they're my relations. They're with me all the time. I have my [18:30] cat here, my cat's my relation. Um but also the stars, the moon, and of course [18:36] the river. So that's a much more intimate um understanding of allyship [18:43] and connection than a colonial western world has really enforced on many [18:48] people. And I personally believe that everybody has suffered from this, you [18:52] know, not just native people. But to make it short and sweet and simple, [18:57] according to Miam Webster, allyship is the state or condition of being an ally. [19:03] Uh being a in supportive association with another person or group. So what [19:09] I'm interpreting this as in the context we have here today [19:14] would be understanding where you end and where others begin in order to show up [19:19] in your fullness for and with others for that collective benefit. Being committed [19:25] to listening, learning, and continuously growing in the presence of another. and [19:32] admission to receiving guidance and heeding how a person or group would or [19:37] would not like to be advocated for. So this is going to be my one slide. Uh [19:43] like I said, I I do really want to keep this a discussion, but I found a really [19:47] wonderful resource from the creator the center for creative leadership. So I'm [19:53] going to put that up now and everybody can see. I will also put a link at the [19:59] end of my little spot so you can see it in the chat. [20:06] Can everybody see that? Okay, [20:12] » I see a thumbs up. So, this is a little bit about what to avoid [20:19] in terms of showing allyship. So what it is not [20:25] according to the center for creative leadership uh performing platitudes [20:31] positions and perfection. So let's talk a little bit about [20:36] performing. It says take meaningful actions to show real support and that [20:44] can come in many different forms. Taking that meaningful action is what to do and [20:49] what not to do. Um, I will say that performing and masking is something that [20:55] is really society taught to many of us. It's taught to us when we're sitting [21:02] under fluorescent lights working on a computer. Um, it's taught to us in, you [21:09] know, going to the DMV. So, learning [21:14] when that's not necessary and allowing us to drop that guard and again be more [21:22] um warmly intimate with our relations, with [21:26] the people next to us, with our neighbor in a way where it's not about us. giving [21:33] from the heart, giving without expecting anything in return, but also not [21:39] overgiving, not trying to prove anything with your actions. [21:44] And those meaningful actions that show a genuine sense of support might be [21:49] something that you ask first. You don't have to know all of the answers. [21:55] Platitudes, uh, committing authentically without [21:58] empty gestures. This is something that I see a lot, especially when it comes to [22:05] more legal realms of advocating for native peoples and the land. Um, [22:13] if you make a promise, make it an attainable promise. If you can't promise [22:18] something, be honest with that from the get-go. If you have a specific capacity [22:23] or a scope, we'll talk about this a little bit more, too. [22:27] um then you know that is the circle of what you can promise or not even [22:33] necessarily promise but what you can give and there's nothing wrong with [22:37] that. Uh if anything native nations are going to appreciate it more when you are [22:44] upfront and when you're not forcing something when you're not pushing [22:48] yourself too too far. Um, again, because we're meeting each other where we're at, [22:55] positions, focusing on listening and learning, not titles or labels. Uh, I [23:00] cannot emphasize this enough. Um, I'll give a first responder example where [23:09] when somebody comes to a really bad accident, there's something called [23:14] incident command system. And when incident command system starts, um, you [23:20] know, it might be a first responder who's a bit lower on the totem pole who [23:25] initially is there and who starts as incident commander who's really [23:32] delegating how this is being managed. And it's only later when maybe somebody [23:37] with a little bit more experience comes, then they can shift out with them. So I [23:42] bring this example up uh because everybody has wisdom to share. Everybody [23:49] has something that can guide us and maybe something that other people would [23:55] miss. So while the understanding of roles is really helpful for boundaries, [24:02] positions and titles don't necessarily um you know create that same [24:12] coming together that we could otherwise have. There's nothing wrong with having [24:16] a position or a title, but you know, nobody is holier than thou. native [24:22] people aren't um you know people in other seats aren't directors aren't. So [24:28] when we can all be at the round table together and make those decisions as a [24:34] team listening and learning um equilaterally but also with equity [24:40] understanding when somebody maybe isn't heard enough when somebody has doesn't [24:45] have as much of a chance. that can really elevate our allyship and [24:50] perfection. Be humble. You won't get it right every time. Um, you know, [24:56] [clears throat] we all are learning. It's a constant process. I myself have [25:02] had to learn and adjust and I think that is just part of being human. Um, so I'm [25:09] going to take this down. I will put it back up at the end. But [25:15] again, you know, the whole uh point of develop the developing these allyships [25:21] is going back to humanity, going back to the original humanity of an environment [25:26] in order to better understand that environment and seeing each other as [25:31] that human team that can embrace that. All right. [25:38] How much time, Upper Delaware Council, do I have left? [25:46] about five minutes. >> Five minutes. Okay, that sounds good. I [25:51] will go through these notes and then I'll hang around until the end for Q&A [25:56] and that kind of thing. So, if anybody has questions about what I've said so [26:00] far, uh please note them down or hang on to them. [26:05] But that being said, allyship and partnership are kind of [26:09] different things. Uh so according to again Miriam Webster the state of being [26:16] a partner is the definition. I see this as two or more parts to a whole in this [26:21] context. It can be groups coming together for the sake of accomplishing [26:25] something whether it be social, environmental, transformative, [26:28] structural or policy change. tribes around Turtle Island uh are the United [26:34] States mostly down west and down south uh have [26:39] been very forefront in the fight for environmental protections and asserting [26:44] the public's desires for natural resources to be preserved. So, one of [26:51] the really big things um that isn't quite getting enough news airtime right [26:56] now, but is amazingly powerful to watch is that Native nations are very involved [27:01] in uh rejecting data centers taking over very um ecologically sensitive sites. [27:09] So, we can follow their example. So, how do we know when a partnership, [27:14] allyship or connection is healthy? When it's cohesion? when we're working [27:18] together. So, first and foremost, we have [27:22] compassion and care. That respect is always going to be the biggest [27:25] indicator. We have honesty and transparency, [27:32] checks and balances, and this can be designed by the community or the board [27:38] or the group that's working together. delegation of power, distribution of [27:44] responsibilities, and honoring everyone's capacity and scope. [27:51] Now, how do these partnerships, these [27:55] allyships and their health impact the earth, the water, nature? [28:01] Well, like I said, nature is our relative and requires a sense of [28:05] perceptive listening to decipher its state and communication with it. we can [28:11] learn this from each other. You know, we're speaking the same language right [28:15] now, which really helps, but like somebody who speaks a different [28:19] language, we have a little bit of that communication gap, a little bit of that [28:24] language barrier with nature. So when we're open to learning this from [28:28] each other, we're giving rise to the cooperation that allows us to hear [28:33] nature. And the people who have been in a particular area listening to the signs [28:39] of that version of nature for thousands of years [28:44] are probably going to have some really great pointers and that can merge with [28:48] things like modern science. So embracing that evaluation of needs is very [28:54] traditional to us. You know, if you're cold, you don't have to pay for a [28:59] blanket because somebody in the village is going to give you one. And that's [29:05] also how we see filling a need within the environment. If there's a certain [29:11] type of erosion that's starting on a river bank, well, we would know which [29:15] plants would be beneficial with their specific root systems to tie together [29:20] that bank so less of that erosion is happening. [29:25] If the trout are low, we would seek shad instead and by paying attention to their [29:30] breeding spots and seasonal patterns. That being said, we all know the phrase [29:36] that water is life. And we can protect our communities and water simultaneously [29:43] by paying that attention. And I say this because attention, especially in the [29:49] modern information age, becomes a bit of a currency of value. [29:56] And appreciation is how we cultivate that value. exchange, care, [30:03] follow through is how we cultivate that value. So like a farmer would appreciate [30:09] their harvest, a tribe would appreciate the resources to live with a harmony to [30:13] nature that modern society often doesn't have in the same way because we're [30:18] connect disconnected from those same patterns. Uh, you know, I love being [30:23] able to go get some canned soup from the grocery store, but it's very different [30:26] when I'm growing corn in my yard or when I eat tomatoes that I plucked them off [30:32] the vine myself. That attention and that appreciation becomes different. So, when [30:37] we can hold both, we can greater embrace the sustainability that weaves these [30:44] things together. So value is discovered from not only embracing these concepts [30:50] but finding a link of symbiosis, finding the mutuality, finding how one person [30:56] helps another helps another. And that's what gets the food on the table. [31:01] Um I'm going to switch a little bit as [31:06] we're finishing up um and close out. So, I hope that so far this has been [31:14] really informational. Um, a couple tools that you can use for [31:20] honoring the tribes of the land that you are working on. Uh, there is a tool [31:26] called nativeland.ca. I will look up that link for you too and [31:32] I will put it in the chat. But that is a great service. Um, and it is completely [31:37] free for seeing a map of where not only you are, but the local native [31:44] peoples. And it actually gives references to the tribes directly. So, [31:49] you can contact them if you'd like. But land acknowledgements are one of the [31:54] primary ways that we and not just we but our allies uh can [32:01] honor the people that are from a specific place. Um if you would like to [32:07] know a little bit more about land acknowledgements, there will be a [32:13] upcoming phone interview going over the radio that I'm doing with a friend of [32:18] Upper Delaware Council named Tim. So, we'll go in a bit more on that because I [32:24] know we're limited time today. Uh, but what really makes them matter is not [32:30] speaking for a tribe, but speaking to what they give, speaking to what they [32:38] represent in their own words and why. And when approaching a tribe, my best [32:45] advice for people seeking to be the most supportive ally that they can be, um, is [32:52] asking instead of just what your ideas might be, asking that [33:00] person or that tribe what they need, what their priorities are instead of [33:04] your own. And that really opens a space for greater discourse. Um, and also [33:09] asking what their capacity may be. tribes are very often short staffed. Um, [33:16] I will say that there are many organizations that do frame themselves [33:22] as Native American when that's not necessarily the case. Uh, this is [33:26] sometimes museums. This is sometimes nonprofits. Um, usually a quick Google [33:32] search can give you a little bit more information. um if some not so nice [33:38] words pop up next to those folks, especially from other tribes, then you [33:42] can usually vet them out a little bit. Um but you if you're ever having trouble [33:47] with that, you are more than welcome to reach out to me. With all that being [33:52] said, um I very much hope that meaningful reciprocity is something that [33:58] you can carry into your partnerships here on out and that this is only the [34:03] beginning of a conversation that we can continue to have. Um [laughter] [34:08] admittedly, I have many more notes, but we will save them for another day and [34:14] I'm very grateful to share this space for you with you. Um, so I will send [34:21] some resources in the chat that can bring this into the future. [34:28] Thank you so much. >> Thank you for bringing this program to [34:32] us. Does anyone have any questions? [34:37] » I wondered if Ed could um summarize what will happen on October 17th if you can [34:43] give us a preview of that Indigenous People's Day. [34:48] All right, that sounds good. Uh, thank you for, you know, giving me an extra [34:53] minute to, uh, summarize that. But October 17th at the Calun Depot, uh, [35:00] we're going to have the pleasure of hosting our first Indigenous People's [35:04] Day together. So, myself and my family will be coming out um as well as [35:10] possibly some of our community members to do some educational programming with [35:15] Upper Delaware Council and we're going to go a bit into native plants. We're [35:22] going to go a bit into regalia and craft making. We're going to go a bit into [35:27] language, which I also teach the Unami dialect of the Lape language. Um, and [35:34] we're very excited. So, it is going to be our first year. We're, you know, [35:39] starting off with humble beginnings. Um, but this is going to be a really [35:44] formative time to have this space for hopefully many years [35:49] to come. And we'll also be able to receive feedback from you and from the [35:54] people who show up um on what interests you and what you'd like to learn more [35:58] about in terms of native education. [36:12] Mhm. >> Thank you. [36:16] » Thanks a lot. >> Thank you very much. [36:19] » Thank you too, [36:32] Move to the next >> approve [36:35] 6 meeting. >> I'll move that. [36:40] » Is there a second? >> A second. [36:42] » Okay. Motion made and seconded. Is there any discussion? [36:46] Hearing none. I'll call for a vote.