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Thank you all for coming out tonight. We have two items that we're going to consider tonight. You're going to hear this from our moderator also. We're not here to vote. We're here to discuss these two items. Ask questions, learn a little bit, and then they'll be a vote on both these items. And you'll hear the question tonight that you'll be asked to vote on on September 29th from noon to 6 p.m. on noon to 8 p.m.

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at the high school. My name is Carl Fortuna. I'm the first select bin and right over here

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in the first row, we have Scott Geeger, it's select bin, and Jane was Lovsky, select bin.

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And the first item of business is to stand if you're able to for the pledge of allegiance.

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I pledge allegiance.

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Okay. Next item of business is to select and elect a moderator for

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evening.

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Yep, Colin Hepernin, moved by Scott Giggert, who is her second, by Ms.

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Wislowski, any other nominations, hearing none, all those in favor of Colin Hepernin

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as moderator this evening, signify by saying aye. Any opposed? Hearing none, Colin, I'll

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turn it over to you.

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Good evening everyone. I'm happy to serve as moderators tonight to try to make this run as smooth as possible as as Carl indicated there was no action going to be taken tonight at the end

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We'll adjourn to the referendum that will occur later this month on the twenty-nine

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So here we're here to talk we're to listen we're to ask questions we're here to get answers and that's really what this is all about

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about dialogue and learning.

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So with that being said, I think my first order of business here

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is Madam Clark is to read the call.

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The lectures and those persons eligible to vote

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in town meetings of the town of El Sabre Connecticut

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are hereby warned and notified that a special town meeting

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would be held in the El Sabre Smith School auditorium,

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60 Chef Field Street, El Sabre Connecticut,

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on Wednesday, September 9,

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2,026 is 6 p.m. for the following purposes.

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Item one.

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As recommended by the Board of Selectment and Board of Enance to discuss a resolution,

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A, to appropriate $6,200,000 for the demolition, construction, and reconstruction

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of the Department of Public Works Garage, the project.

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B, to finance the appropriation by issuing the town's bonds or notes in an amount not to exceed

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5,200,000 with a balance funded by capital funds currently held by the town.

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See, to authorize the first select man and treasurer to issue the bonds, notes, or temporary notes.

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D, to take action under applicable internal revenue service regulations, to allow the town to issue the bonds, notes, or temporary notes on a tax exempt basis, and E,

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To authorize the first document to contract with engineers, architects, contractors for the project and to apply for any federal state or other grants in aid or other funds for the project and to accept or reject any grants on behalf of the town and F.

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To authorize the Board of Selectment to a point or re-appoint a building committee for the project and to authorize the building committee to approve the design,

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construction and renovation expenditures and to construct the project.

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Item 2.

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As recommended by the Board of Finance and Board of Selective and to discuss a resolution

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A, to appropriate $11 million, $300,000 to renovate and construct an addition to the

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Katherine Hepburn Cultural Arts Center project.

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be to finance the appropriation by issuing the town's bonds or notes in an amount not to exceed

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6,300,000 with the balance funded by grants and capital campaign funds.

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See, to authorize the first selectment and treasure to issue the bonds, notes or temporary notes.

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D to take action under applicable internal revenue service regulations to allow the town to issue the bonds, notes or temporary notes on the tax exempt basis.

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E to authorize the first selectman to contract with engineers, architects, contractors for the project, and to apply for any federal state or other grants and aid or other funds for the project.

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and to accept or reject any grants on behalf of the town,

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including private donations.

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F. To authorize the Board of Selectman,

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to appoint or reappoint a building committee for the project,

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and to authorize the building committee to approve the design,

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construction, and renovation expenditures,

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and to construct the project.

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Copies of the full text of the resolutions are in file,

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available for inspection at the office of the town clerk.

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The moderator shall adjourn the special town meeting at its conclusion, and the above

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item shall be submitted to a referendum vote on the voting tabulators or paper ballots

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by town electors and qualified voters for approval or disapproval.

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On Tuesday, September 29, 2026, between the hours of 12 noon PM and 8 PM.

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The resolution shall be placed upon the voting tabulators or paper ballots under the following headings.

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Question one.

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Shall the town of Olsaverac appropriate $6,200 for the reconstruction of the Department of Public Works garage

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and authorize the issuance of the town's bonds, bonds, or notes, in an amount not to exceed 5,200,000.

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to for now.

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Finance, said appropriation with a balance funded by capital funds currently held by the town.

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Votes approving the resolution will vote yes, and those opposing the resolution will vote no.

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Question 2. Shall the town of olsabric appropriate $11 million, $300,000, for the Katherine Hepburn

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cultural arts center addition and renovation and authorize the issuance of the town's

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bonds or notes in amount not to exceed six million three hundred thousand dollars to

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finance that appropriation with the balance funded by grants and capital campaign funds.

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Voters approving the resolution will vote yes and those opposing the resolution will

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no. Town electors will vote at the Old Sabre High School gymnasium. Boston Post Road,

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Old Sabre Connecticut. Persons qualified to vote in town meetings who are not electors,

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shall also vote at the Old Sabre High School gymnasium. Absentee ballots will be available

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from the town clerk's office. Sign Board of Selectman Carl P. for Tune of Junior First

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elected, Jane was a lousky and Scott Giegrich Selectman.

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It's dated at all, say, but Connecticut is 11th day of August,

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2,026, a test, Sarah Becker Town Clerk.

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Thank you.

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Sure.

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So we will, I will entertain motions that to open discussion,

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as regard to item one, as recommended by the Board of Selectman and Board of Finance,

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to discuss a resolution, most notably, to appropriate six,

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$6.2 million for the demolition construction and reconstruction of the department of public works garage and the project and be to finance the appropriation by issuing towns bonds or notes in amount not to exceed

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$5.2 million or the bounds funded by capital funds currently held by the town.

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Motion.

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Second, Jane.

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Thank you very much.

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Carl, turn it over to you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Colin.

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And so I built, why don't you clap here to Bill Claffey is our Department of Public Works Director.

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We also have our architects, point one architects to my right, and they're going to go over this project a little bit.

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What we're proposing to build, the DPW Garage is by all accounts, old, in at least 60 years old.

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And we've made some patches to it over the years.

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The most of you are, even these guys, it's a tough place to work.

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I mean, it's a tough job, but the environs of the garage itself are probably not appropriate

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for 2026 employees.

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What we're proposing is to give them an appropriate locker room, shower, a kitchen, a

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conference area, office for the director,

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and probably most importantly coverage for our equipment.

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So we've really made a large investment

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in our public works equipment, which serves the public.

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Over the last few years, we put aside money every year

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in a capital account, and then we make purchases on that.

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We recently made a purchase, in fact, a week or two ago

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of a freight land or truck. We now have three of them. They're dump trucks. They do the

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plowing in the winter and they serve as very useful machinery all the other times of

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the year also.

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The trucks that the three trucks that we replaced just to show you the good

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value that we're getting out of our trucks. I think the truck was in 1991 that we got rid of.

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We got rid of a 1992, 93, and the one that just was recently replaced was a 1995.

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So we've replaced them now with 2025, 26 models of these trucks.

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But we have a lot of other equipment that we've been buying over the last few years to

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help make these guys jobs more efficient and effective for the public.

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So, after the 2025 budget results, so that's June, the budget year ended June 30th, 2025,

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the town had a pretty healthy surplus in, at the recommendation of the Board of Finance,

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we put aside $1.5 million to start this project.

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That $1.5 million was intended to get the architect started, to pay some of the soft

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So we can continue to move this project forward prior to getting to referendum.

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That is why it's a $6.2 million project, but we're asking for $5.2 million.

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The remaining funds will be used to obviously offset the capital cost of the building.

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The additional 500,000 that is the Delta there is to pay the architects furnish the building

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with conference tables, IT security, and the like.

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So that is what we've done.

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And you're going to hear the same thing with the K.

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There was a 6.3 million dollar ask,

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but it's an 11.3 million dollar project.

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So that's coincidence that it happened that way.

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That boy, Patrick, certainly funded like this.

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But with the public works garage, it was from surplus funds

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from fiscal 2025 that we put aside for this project.

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So, obviously one of the huge advantages is to cover the equipment.

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We have a lot of, like I said, we're equipment that we want to be covered and we're not covering it right now.

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The other important piece of that is, as many of you know, that area is wetland, lot of wetlands, and aquifer.

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The transfer station sits on an aquifer, maybe that wasn't the best planning 60 years ago,

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but that's where it is.

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So, the public workscarages in a similar situation, we have to have the groundwater monitored

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there by our town engineer, I don't know, two, three, four times a year, to make sure that

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we're not leaking oil or other fluids from the machinery into the ground and then into the

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ground water. Having the machines covered, all the equipment covered is going to help from

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an environmental perspective also so that we'll have nothing seeping into dirt and then

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into the ground water, it will go through drains and then into a basin that if it needed to

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be will be emptied. So that's kind of the intro to the project in terms of cost, how it's

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funded. These are 20 year bonds that we're proposing. Before we get into some questions, I would

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like to have point one architects go over what is we're hoping to be the project for DPW.

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My name is Greg Nucci. Can everyone hear me?

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My name is Greg Nucci, I'm with 0.1 architects. I'm here to introduce you to our design for the public works garage.

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The next few slides are kind of existing conditions slides of the existing public works facility.

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Yeah, sorry, so you get a chance to kind of see the condition of what the employees and staff are working with.

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There we go.

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This is much better.

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A few more comfortable this way.

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So it is located off the middle of this turnpike and is turned into the driveway.

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What you see on the top left slide is a building

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that is more recently constructed and that's the repair garage that they use right now and then

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as you drive a little bit further down the middle photograph kind of shows you the existing

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condition of the public works garage as it is right now and it's tired I guess for lack of

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better words for it. It's been late Carl said it's been cobbled on to over the years. The actual

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the larger portion of the building, we are going to keep and renovate that because structurally

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it's sound, it's got great walls, it's got a good steel structure, but we are going to

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renovate that as well as part of the renovation and additions.

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So in the little rendering and

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the left-hand side, the right side there, we're proposing that whole piece come down.

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That's the

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a dollar kennel that had been there for years, but it since has been moved to Clinton and

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Carl can speak to that afterwards, but that's the plan for that, so the condition of the

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building is poor. The next slide is kind of the existing conditions plan that shows the spaces

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as they currently exist, so you have the yellow section that's kind of the garage we're going

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try to keep. And then the dog pounds at the top and then the public works facilities. There's

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like one office in there, a break room that's really inadequate. There's only one bathroom in that space

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and rarely a natural lighter windows in that space as well. And then the purple section is kind of

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the wood structure that was just been added on to over the years and it's in very poor shape as well.

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So, you're going to go to the next slide, please mark.

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And this is just some photographs of the interior condition that the guys are working in currently.

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We've got some, well, a lot of roof leaks.

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We've got some looks like there's some mold on the walls inside from water penetration.

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And then the large floor plan just kind of shows you what they're currently working in right now.

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You know, the next slide, please, Mark.

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And then Bill, Bill and Carl spoke a little bit about the public works fleet of vehicles that they have.

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So out of the 22 vehicles that they do have 25% of those are kind of left out doors because they don't have the space to keep them inside.

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So that's kind of the impetus to get some of these vehicles inside, because, you know,

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think about it if they're outdoors in the weather and the snow and the freezing, it just takes

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a toll on these things for maintenance and everything else.

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And I think you'll get longer lasting investment if you can keep these vehicles in a condition

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space where they have constant temperature, they can be worked on and they're not just left

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that in the cold.

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And the other part of this that maybe Carl mentioned a little bit

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is just having, you know, for emergencies

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having readiness to these vehicles that, you know,

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are covered with snow or tarps or whatever,

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during an emergency, I think that is a huge asset

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to have in the town, especially with a weather

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crazy weather that we've been seeing over the last few years.

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But anyways, they do have a large fleet of vehicles and we'd like to get them indoors, so let's see.

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So this is the proposed floor plans.

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And we've been working with Bill Claffy and public works to help design this.

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So the existing storage building in the yellow, that's the one I spoke to you about previously.

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That's the one we're going to repurpose and reuse and then the blue section across the front is the three bay high bay garage addition

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that we're proposing

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it has some

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Toolcribbs and things like of that nature on the left hand side and then the public works facilities in the pink up there

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that's kind of the employee staff areas where we have locker rooms, adequate locker rooms,

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adequate showers, adequate bathroom facilities. And part of that is also as a meeting room

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in a lunch room where I think operationally, they can have meetings, building out meetings with

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this staff, and then there's a few offices in there as well, one's bills office, and then

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some mechanical spaces and things of that nature.

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You can see, as part of the renovation, the entire building will be insulated according to

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the Connecticut Energy Code,

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so we won't have any cold space, it'll be tempered.

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The garage space won't be cooled, but it'll have heat in the winter.

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The facilities for the staff will be heated and cooled air conditioning in there, so there

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is one large beam that we have to put in, which is a little bit of a challenge, but it's

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doable to create that open space where we're connecting the garage to the existing garage

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there. You can go to the next slide, Mark.

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This is a rendering of the front facing addition.

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That kind of shows the new three-high-big garage, and you can see on the back side, there,

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there's the the public works staff area and I have a better drawing of that.

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But anyways, the whole building gets, it'll all be metal-sided, it'll be completely insulated.

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The building will also be fully sprinkled.

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That's required by the...

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By the building code in the fire code, so your equipment, the town equipment, that's within that building. We'll have another layer of protection.

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So you're going to want to protect your investments, so that's another layer of protection that is part of the project.

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And then you can go to the next slide just because it kind of shows.

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So, this is kind of the end elevations showing the entrance to the public works administrative area where Bill's staff has the launch room and the conference room and the showers and all that.

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So, that's kind of the entrance. It's accessible through just the sidewalk down the side of the building. Next slide.

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This is kind of an aerial view showing the addition and the entrance to the right as well as the buildings that exist on the left-hand side.

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That kind of big block thing in the middle.

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That's a fueling station for all the public works of equipment.

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So that's staying where it is.

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That's not moving, so.

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So that's really our design presentation for the project, and I'll give it back to Carl.

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Just a brief couple comments briefly.

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So the dog pound has been there for many years.

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It is not compliant with current animal control guidelines at the state level,

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But it is grandfathered in, so we still do use it.

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But we do not.

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I talked to the chief of police about this.

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We don't get a ton of animals periodically we do.

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So Clinton has a new, much newer, compliant,

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animal control facility.

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And I spoke with the chief of police.

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I spoke with a few other people and makes sense

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to try to do things regionally, right?

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we all don't need to do everything in our towns. There's a couple other efforts underway to

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maybe seek efficiencies with other towns, but this would be one of them. So the dog pound

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in Old Sabre would go away in dogs that are dogs or other animals that are found in a place where

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they shouldn't be would be taken to the Clinton animal control facility.

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Just want to stress that as Greg said, we are reusing part of the building.

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We're not turning down the whole building.

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We're just extending out the area where the heavy equipment was, extending it out, but

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the area where the offices were in the animal control facility is being demolished and rebuilt.

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Bill, do you have anything to add to any of that?

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You're thinking about it, I can tell.

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Perfect.

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I don't know why I say it.

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Not the best public speaker saw it do my best.

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The garage is dated if you look around town, a lot of our buildings are nice and we're

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trying to get to that status where we can protect all our equipment from being ruined.

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a lot of our stuff that's sitting outside right now.

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If the stickers aren't printed on it correctly,

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or we're not supposed to be using it.

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And just the added protection to be able to put the equipment inside the garage,

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like it was said, I can't tell you how many times I've asked the guys to go out there,

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grab the chipper and an hour and a half later,

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we're still trying to get it out of the snow and warm it up.

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So, it's a huge benefit to be able to keep your equipment inside.

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Also, our fleets being upgraded, we want to keep these trucks looking nice.

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You get more return for your value when you trade them in, or if you exchange them.

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And yeah, and you know, they're going to be clean.

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Yeah, we do clean them inside on the maintenance end of it on our maintenance garage.

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we have a wash bay in there and that's, you know, storm ends, that's where we go.

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Okay, so we're going to open up item one here for some discussion.

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Some real simple basic ground rules.

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We're all here because we care about the town and I think that's really important to remember.

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We might disagree as to what the best use of town funds are.

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We might think that something could be done a little bit better or differently.

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But at the end of the day, try to remember that your neighbors are here.

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Volunteers are here to help, you know, the town run efficiently.

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to try to remember that. I'm going to keep a very loose three-minute guideline on comments

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and questions, anyone who's seen me moderate something before, I don't pull the hook out

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right at three, I'll let everybody finish their thought. If you have questions, I think that's

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appropriate, and I think that people will try to answer the questions if they can. However, please

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be mindful that getting an answer to your question and getting the answer to your question that

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you like are two different things anybody who has kids can understand that. So do try to keep

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that in mind that if you ask a question and your question is then they get an answer for

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here they say well I don't know or they say that we know we're exploring that then okay we can

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we can probably move on to the next item without coming back to that same question over and over again

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okay so I'm going to stick this mic in here so that the folks up here can use it and then I will

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around Phil Donahue style and get everyone's answers for question one.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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So we'll start with what we're just doing item one now. Just talking about is how we're not talking about the Kate. Yeah, okay.

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What's the construction time frame?

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Could you repeat the question?

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Yeah, what's the construction time frame with the time frame?

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That's the question.

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Construction time frame is the question.

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Probably that is because that was too close.

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Probably nine to twelve months.

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The hope would be that should this pass a referendum

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will go out and go out to the market, get money in October

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and Greg and Mark here at Point One are hoping to have construction

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drawings by the end of October and then once we have those we've got to

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bid over the winter and hopefully have someone in place in early

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in 2007.

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Will this site accommodate floors underground? One or more floors? Where is the ground water at this?

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So the question is will it accommodate floors underground? Number one, are there going to be basements that we're talking about?

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Okay, and the second part of the question is about groundwater and how the groundwater is going to be handled?

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We will not have any floors underground, it will all be slab-on-grade.

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It would be very difficult to do, because it is high groundwater, it is kind of, there's

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wetlands all around the area, so it's not something that we actually explore, anyway.

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It's probably not practical to do, it would probably add a lot of cost as well, so.

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Yes, hello.

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I'm wondering, you mentioned about Clinton helping out and being the place for the dog pound or other animals needing a little help.

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Is there something reciprocal that we do for Clinton?

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so over the last ten years there's been a real push towards regionalization of a lot of things.

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We would, I have the agreement in my office, it's a nominal amount that we would contribute

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towards the facility itself, which is pretty much new.

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In addition to that, it would be our officers or animal control officer taking care of our animals.

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However, if we needed assistance, we would pay them if it was a Sunday and we had nobody available.

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So, it's a very reasonable, the, in fact, like I said, it's nominal, it's not like getting into a facility that we have to build.

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So, Essex is Essex has an old animal facility, and they are trying to regionalize with, I think, Chester, Deep River, Essex, and maybe killing worth.

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They've already received a grant for a million dollars to build that facility, and it's not enough.

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I mean, it's expensive because they have to be air conditioned and heated, and this is not.

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So it's, and Clinton's is. So it's actually a much better facility, both for the animals, and it's expensive to build a new one, and we don't have room on this site anyway.

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Is that answer?

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If anything should happen to Clinton with us,

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relationship-wise, or whatever else,

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what would we do for a contingency plan?

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Because it's not our facility, the dog-bound.

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What would we do for an evacuation plan?

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No, I think if the relationship with Clinton

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has to end or doesn't work out,

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or we lose the ability to use Clinton's dog-bound,

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do we have a contingency plan about our animals?

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there are other animal facilities in the air. Madison has one. If Essex gets built, I'm sure

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we'd be welcome there, but probably at a higher cost. But there are other facilities in the

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area. It's just not maybe not as conveniently located.

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Anybody else on item number one? Anybody?

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Go on, once, oops, what do we have, I want to say yes sir, I'll come on up.

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I'm just wondering what the general experience is with the town offering municipal bonds.

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Have you have a history of it?

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Or is this the first time?

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You know, for the terms of bonding?

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Yeah, oh no, we last went out in 2014 for the police station, the tennis courts, the turf field.

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and tennis track and turf, yeah, we had to do a new track, we did, I think, good when windows at that time and maybe the middle school roof, all of this, I think it was all at the same time.

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So those bonds and the cake before that was in 05 or 06.

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Okay, so there is some experience.

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Yeah, and as many of you know, oh yeah, there's plenty of experience and there's plenty of people who want to do the work.

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legal work and the finance work so yeah no problem and as many of you

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know the town was recently upgraded we were doubly two were doubly one were

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one step away from AAA and that's a moody's that's a moody's rating and

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it's really solid so I think we're gonna do very well in the market even though

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interest rates seem to be going up a little bit thank you

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thank you very much

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And there we go.

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Sure, go ahead, try.

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How does this play into the budget for the park

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at the point, I think, is the question?

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Because we're taking on a big expenditure there.

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Well, we're not taking anything on yet

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because we don't own that yet.

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So from surplus funds this year,

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we put a sign of $1 million for that project.

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We have an RFP out right now to landscape architects

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in civil engineering firms, and we saw estimates of around $2 million dollars to do that

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parked down there.

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So we're well on our way because we've put aside about a million.

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We think the state is going to be very interested in funding this, funding that project.

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I mean, it's a little off topic, so I don't want to go too far into it, but I'm very optimistic

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that we would get grant funds also.

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So I think the pieces would come together pretty easily for docking the docking bag.

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Anything else on item one, town garage?

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Going once? Going twice?

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All right, we're going to move on too.

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Item number two, and I will entertain a motion

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to, as recommended by the Board of Selectman and Board of Finance,

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to discuss a resolution to appropriate $11.3 million to renovate

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and construct an addition to the Catherine Heppern Cultural Arts Centre,

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and be to finance the appropriated by issuing the towns, bonds, or notes in the amount not to exceed

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$6.3 million with the balance funded by grants and capital campaign funds.

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Got that. Thank you very much. Second. I can Jane, thank you very much.

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So I will now hand the floor back over to

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So, back in about 15, 16 years ago, the town renovated this building, Brett and Robin will give you more details on this, and we entered into a long-term lease with the 501C3, the Catherine Hepburn Cultural Arts Center, which still governs that relationship today.

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And so the Kate operates in a town building,

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so we, the town funds part of the maintenance

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of the building, like a couple years ago, it needed gutters, and because it's a town building,

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we put the gutters on the building.

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So this is a town building that you're going to hear about, and the expansion would keep

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it a town building, and I'm just going to turn it over to you guys right now, for I just

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make sure people understand it is a town building.

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Thank you, Carl. And thanks everyone for being here.

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My name is Brett Elliott. I'm the executive director of the Catherine Hepburn Cultural Arts Center

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or the Kate. I've been at the helm of the Kate for nearly 12 years. And I'm here with my colleague

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Robin Andrew Lee who is the Kate's director of development and community relations. So we're here

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tonight to talk about an exciting opportunity for 300 Main Street, the Catherine Hepburn Cultural

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Center and Old Saber. We have two goals this evening. And one is to be most importantly is to explain

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why this is good for Old Saber. And the second is to explain why this expansion that the

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Kate's board and staff with input from town officials have been developing for the last five years as

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a good thing. This project addresses real needs for the Kate, but it's benefits extend well beyond the

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It's an investment in a town owned building, benefiting Main Street, our residents, our businesses, and our community.

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As proposed, this project is a total of $11.3 million, however the boundary quest is for less than that,

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the ASCUS for 6.3, with the CATE contributing 5 million plus from fundraising efforts.

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So to begin, I just want to express grateful the CATE is to the town of Old Saverick over the last two decades.

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For not only supporting the Kate and allowing it to grow and thrive, but also for having

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the foresight and ambition to create and sustain one of the best public-private partnerships

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around.

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It's no secret that the Kate is proudly resides in a historic building, town building, and

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on the town hall campus, and the nonprofit that sits within 300 Main Street works tirelessly

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to activate the facility to its maximum potential.

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This project is a physical expansion of 300 main street, approximately 7,500 square feet.

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The expansion in its simplest explanation allows the Cates programming to continue to grow and thrive,

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and also to continue to grow our overall positive commitment to the community and businesses of old saver.

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So why expand now?

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Well, since our opening in 2009, programming, attendance, education, and the museum visitors have all grown dramatically.

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And we've already reached beyond our means for space.

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We're not expanding and hopes that people will come either.

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People are already coming.

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We are expanding because nearly 17 years of growth have shown us what this building can be.

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a comprehensive cultural arts center with a wider variety of arts and arts adjacent programming

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for all ages, five to seven days a week, 12 months a year for generations to come.

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It's as our tagline suggests more than you can imagine.

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Thanks for your time tonight, which is going to be answers to my thanks.

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So as Brett said, the Kate has grown and is hoping to expand, it's really an evolution of the

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organization, and this expansion is an important part of that evolution.

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It's about being responsive to our patrons, flexible, and able to adapt to shifting trends

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and competitive, and not only in terms of selling tickets for being competitive, in order

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to attract the renowned artists that we've been able to have at the Kate.

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300 Main Street has always been an important part of the landscape of Old Seabruck.

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The historic building began with a connection to theater in the arts when Joseph Cone and members

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of the old-sabric musical and dramatic club raised the funds to build the building as a place

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for the performing arts and community gatherings that opened in 1911. By the 60s, of course,

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it was used for talent government, but fortunately, many of the original theater amenities

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were not removed. They were simply covered up, and decades later, that history helped make

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possible the next chapter, restoration and transformation into what we now know as the Kate with

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contributions from people in town like Bob and Barbara Welsh. Thanks Bob. E-Djangers and others who

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really contributed their time. Keeping in mind the population of Old Saveric in 1911 was about

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1500 residents. Now we have over 10,000 residents and we feel this is a great place for us to

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grow into and to help keep serving the community.

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So we view our mission as three pillars,

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live performance and cultural events, arts, education and enrichment and sustaining Catherine Hepburns

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advocacy. Since opening, we've actually welcomed more than 675,000 patrons and visitors and

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presented over 4,100 shows and events. We're proud to have had the likes of Judy Collins,

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Graham Nash, Sheila E. Art Garfunkel, and Herbalper among others, perform at the K as well as

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local and regional artists under reds leadership to get sales of grown from roughly 28,000 a year

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more than 75,000 a year. It's pretty incredible when you consider the theater only seats

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00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:30,840
284 people at a time. Arts Education and Enrichment, which is really a critical part of our

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mission. Our summer camp is a great example of how program demand has exceeded our capacity.

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When Cates Camp for Kids opened in 2012, we had just under 100 kids participating. In this

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past summer we filled four hundred and sixty campus lots across eight weeks we

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provide scholarships when needed but we still had one hundred families on a

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weight list. Beyond summer our free educational student matinee series reaches

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about three thousand students each year and last year seven hundred and fifty old

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zebra public school students attended. We've had a great time hosting a

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theater lighting and sound workshop for old zebra seventh graders in a play

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class and discussing the nonprofit business model with fifth graders who are in STEM classes.

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Our third pillar, Katherine Hepburn's Legacy.

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It's about preserving, promoting and

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honoring the Connecticut Resident and Old Saber president. Through the official Katherine

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Hepburn Museum, tours and exhibits attract thousands of visitors each year and our public programs

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tell the history of the Hepburn family, Old Saber, and Connecticut. The spirit of Katherine Hepburn

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words, celebrates individuals who embody mishepperns, bold spirit, and elevates her memory

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to a national level.

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Carrying forward Catherine Hepburn's legacy means more than celebrating her life, however,

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it means activating her spirit in the community that she loved.

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She called Old Sabre her paradise.

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It was her home in a place that she continually...

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So we work every day to honor that connection. For the past seven years, we have presented the Catherine Hepburn Cultural Arts Center Scholarship to

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graduating senior and old-sabric schools. We are the site for the gold, star moms, heroes, tree helping to honor local veterans and their families.

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Through our partnership with the vet tick foundation, we're able to provide hundreds of complimentary tickets to local veterans each year.

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We support our fellow nonprofits through ticket donations for auctions and raffles.

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You'll find the Kate staff at a lot of different celebrations in the community at Celebrate

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Sabreux or the Starlight Festival.

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We sponsor concerts on the green and the Chambers Arts and Crafts Festival.

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Sometimes we're behind the scenes or running the stage and sometimes we're the people

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stringing lights from a ladder.

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The Kate is also a home for other arts organizations and cultural partners, including the

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Cyber-Costorical Society Lecture Series, a very popular art film series that we co-host with

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the Florence Griswald Museum, and Vista Life Innovations annual All Abilities Production,

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which showcases diversity and inclusion in our regional community. That's just a name of

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few. And community groups like the Friends of Act in Public Library, Old Sabre Grodery,

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00:46:16,700 --> 00:46:22,020
and the YMCA have hosted fundraisers and annual meetings at the Kate. But we often have to turn

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partners away because we lack the time and space to accommodate them.

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We know that the proposed expansion fits with the Old Sabre Plan of Conservation and Development,

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specifically the Action Plan for Historic and Cultural Resources to continue to support

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cultural arts programming and also connect local arts and cultural institutions with Old Sabre

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Schools and Youth Organizations.

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Should Old Sabre create a state-recognized cultural district, the Kates expansion, and this

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programming that it enables will help support that effort, strengthening the town's identity

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as a cultural destination and recognizing the powerful roles that the arts and culture

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play in driving economic vitality, civic pride, and community connection.

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Thank you. I want to share a little bit about the case economic impact on old

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saber. First starting with this ticket graph. This is our tickets sense opening. You can see

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sort of the steady trajectory there. Of course, you can see the follow-up from the pandemic,

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But the reason I point that out is how strong we came back and we're really grateful to all of the folks who supported us through that time because that didn't go so well for other theaters

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But Robin just said that there were about just over 75,000 ticketed patrons last year and we know that there are about 10,000 people that came to the Kate for education programs as museum visitors

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And through other means which puts us over 85,000 people just last year and according to Americans for the arts arts and economic prosperity

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This is the leading organization that does this kind of data work.

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Attendees at nonprofit arts and cultural events spend about $38.46 for person

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per event beyond the cost of admission.

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So if you calculate that out, I hit it twice.

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The Kate potentially contributed more than 3.25 million dollars

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to the economic vitality of old-sabric just last year.

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And if you look a bit further back in time

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so when we open that's $675,000 patrons,

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comes out to over $25 million.

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The last piece I had on this one was future.

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The reason I'm mentioning the future

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is because with the expansion,

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we see foot traffic into the cat increasing by about 35%.

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And so if you calculate that out into 35%,

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you're going to come up with a number

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that is closer to four or four and a half million dollars.

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And that's impact that is stealth daily.

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You've probably been to a restaurant on a show night

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and at seven o'clock, it's really busy.

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And by 8 o'clock it's a little bit thinner because everybody has headed out to that show.

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I was recently talking to a shop owner who let me know that she sees Pager or she sees individuals

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who come to her shop from outside of town and they make a stop to her shop before they come to

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00:48:58,300 --> 00:48:59,420
event at the Kate.

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And then in terms of hotels, you know people make a weekend of it, they come, they stay here.

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But I also wanted to share that the Kate books over 400 nights at local hotels for

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artists coming to the Cate every year. And just last year, between artists and artists

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crew, those are 2,000 people that we fed at the Cate because they were touring in. Those

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are all dollars spent here in Old Savourk. Just a little bit about our demographic in terms

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of where our audience comes from. We know that 8% of our audience is from Old Savourk

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Proper. And then from Brandford, over to New London and encompassing the Connecticut River

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valley, another 31%, 47% from the balance of the state, and then if you take Rhode Island

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Massachusetts in New York, another 9%, that leaves 5% that are actually coming from outside

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that entire area, that 5% last year included 49 of 50 states represented, as well as the

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UK, Mexico, and Canada.

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And then last on this slide, did want to mention, so more than 90% of our audience comes from

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outside of Old Saver, bringing outside dollars into our community.

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The Kate also serves local residents just last year,

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approximately 28% of old Saver households attended

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up performance or participated in a camp

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or enrichment program at the Kate.

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And that doesn't capture everything,

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because we have, as Robin was mentioning, free programs.

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We're nearly all of Goodwin Elementary

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comes to the Kate for a show,

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or high schoolers are coming for one of our programs.

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So we put that number closer to 35 or 40%.

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that was the 40% at the end there.

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And we also host other events,

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like we host the Old Stabric Select and Symbol Band

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and Equator Concert every year.

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And those are not ticketed events,

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so they're not calculated into that number.

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In terms of financial stability and opportunity there,

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as a cultural nonprofit,

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we only exist for the betterment of our community.

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Any net surplus dollars are reinvested back

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into the operation, the facility, and the community.

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The Kate has also been fortunate to be in the black,

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the last 12 plus years. In a time when that wasn't true for a lot of theaters and so that has given us

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a really good foundation for this next chapter. But talking about support, we are so grateful for the

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town but also our members and donors, local businesses, foundations, and all of our volunteers.

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They are over 200 people in the Cates of the Interior Guild. And in terms of that public

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private partnership, I did want to mention that for nearly two decades the town and the Cate

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have created a partnership that leveraged public ownership with private fundraising and nonprofit operations.

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The town provides our 300 main street home, the Kate activates that asset, and generates cultural community and economic return.

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We've also invested in the building, major systems, other responsibility of the town, but through grant dollars and tax credits,

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we've replaced the chillers, we've replaced the boilers, we've replaced all the lighting with energy efficient lighting.

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we continue to take care of that building.

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Those projects were accomplished at no direct cost to the town.

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As the landlord, they would have been a town expense.

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We don't simply occupy 300 Main Street.

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We invest in it, we care for it,

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and we help make this town own building a show place

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for a old savorick.

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So we're talking about now the plan,

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what will we do with the new space?

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It really does present more opportunity for programming.

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So things that don't quite fit well

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in the 284-seat theater but would be perfect in a 90-seat theater could be a local singer song.

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We'd like to do many more lectures. We often have to turn people away who propose these ideas again because of lack of time and space. More comedy. There could be more film screenings. We keep Katherine Hepburn's body of work alive by showing Kate classic films. All of the time, poetry and spoken word are programs. We've heard requests for that we haven't been able to get off the ground yet because of lack of space. Classes and workshops. People who want to become art makers, the place for people to do those things, dance, perhaps instruction.

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Then we could have more paint nights, what of Katherine Hepburn's pastimes was painting,

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and we've hosted a paint night that was very popular, and a ukulele workshop that actually

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sold out three times, community conversations, not every great program is best suited in

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the large theater, so we find a lot of opportunity here.

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Better support for our artists, it may not sound like major impact on the surface, but an improved

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backstage area will really go a long way, a service elevator for the very first time going

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stage, better artist accommodations, you know, sometimes you'll see a large tour bus in front of

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the cake. We want to get that off the street. It would actually end up in the alley going forward.

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But there are many people on a tour bus and they want to take a shower or wash clothes,

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things like that. So just to help be a little more accommodating for the artists who are

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appearing on stage, a better patron experience. We would have additional lobby space and more

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restrooms. We are an anomaly where probably the only place you'll ever go to, where there is a line

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at the Men's Room and on at the Ladies Room.

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So we would increase that capacity by almost double for our patrons.

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More exhibit space.

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The Katherine Hepburn Museum is quite large now.

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We did renovate it in 2021, but our collection has grown exponentially.

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People have found out about us, which is a good thing.

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And so we get a lot of collection items that are donated to us.

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And we'd love to be able to show more of that.

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More Katherine Hepburn Museum programs, public programs, in the way of lectures, talks

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workshops. More education arts education, of course, and we'd love for there to be an extension

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of our camp program. Right now, we were starting off with serving ages 6 to 10. We added

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a module for ages 11 to 13 a few years ago, and they're filling up. But those kids are aging

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out of the program, and as 14 year olds are asking us what's next. So we'd love to be able to

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think about more teen programming. This opens the door for after school programming, which is

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is almost not an existent because at that time we're getting ready for the evening show.

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And lots of other things for all age groups as we mentioned, classes and workshops, year-round

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opportunities for folks.

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Accessibility and long-term flexibility.

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This facility designed to serve different needs today and adapt to the needs that we haven't even imagined yet.

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It also solves for staff offices.

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Believe it or not, the Kate went from three full-time people to ten full-time people in the last decade,

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so we could use that space.

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Right now, we're constantly making trade-offs because we've outgrown our available space,

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we're often forced to choose between good opportunities, not because they're not valuable,

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but because we simply don't have capacity.

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Next batch and change is that it allows us to stop choosing between good opportunities

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and start creating more of them.

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We look forward to ideas and input from the community as we start creating.

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So I know you'd like to know what the footprint looks like.

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And so this next slide is the current site plan.

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You can see Main Street to the left there,

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Sheffield to the top, town hall to the right,

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and the town green to the bottom.

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The footprint of the expansion sits right here.

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It does affect three parking spots.

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That is a piece that we're working on in our zoning application.

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But you can see that it is on the north side of the sidewalk

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to town hall, so it doesn't affect the town green

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proper in any way.

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And then we mentioned the magic of flexibility

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with this space, so that red ring that I just drew,

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I kind of wanted to share a little bit

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what's inside there for you. So on the first level, it is two classrooms, two just over 500

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square foot classrooms. There is a center divide wall, so it can open up into one large classroom.

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And then the next two images are the second level, two different versions of that. In the first one,

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there are with our two rooms. There are about 600 and 30 square foot each with the center divide

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closed. And you can see in that bottom image, that same room opens up into a 90 to 93 seat

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performance space. So that can be cinema, that can be live performance, but all those chairs can get struck and go right into their their homes closets right next door and that can be a wide open space for something else.

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To show you a few renderings.

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These have been through planning commission. We are up to our final step list zoning right now. You can see the expansion there on the right side of the screen.

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I do like to point out the sort of historical nature progression of the building.

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Robin mentioned, you know, the building being built in 1911. Well, those historic columns are

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still there on the front. In the last renovation, the lobbies were added,

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transitioned to a little bit more contemporary, and then the building sort of continues to flow

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and sort into its next chapter and next century with the expansion. The next slide is just that

645
00:57:26,620 --> 00:57:31,520
section, a little bit closer. You'll start to see the windows that overlook the town green,

646
00:57:31,740 --> 00:57:37,420
so there's great views of the town green from the space. And when I go to the next slide,

647
00:57:37,420 --> 00:57:40,420
You'll see it from the back side coming into the town hall parking lot.

648
00:57:40,660 --> 00:57:41,880
You can see right through that building.

649
00:57:42,940 --> 00:57:44,440
There is my truck, yes.

650
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,160
Those windows though have floor to ceiling,

651
00:57:48,500 --> 00:57:51,680
theatrical curtains that block them out so we can have this great open space.

652
00:57:51,940 --> 00:57:56,640
But we also can close that off for cinema or live performance or other things as well.

653
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,780
The windows on the bottom of that level, of course, have the classroom shown.

654
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:03,300
Those are the three renderings we have to show you.

655
00:58:03,300 --> 00:58:09,220
Oh, and I did want to mention a couple of points, critical points, should the referendum pass.

656
00:58:09,760 --> 00:58:11,840
A construction could start as soon as December.

657
00:58:12,700 --> 00:58:16,480
Senator Rick Architects has been our architects and they are into final drawings right now.

658
00:58:17,100 --> 00:58:21,760
The hope is for much of the site work to happen when there are fewer outdoor activities that could be disrupted.

659
00:58:22,300 --> 00:58:32,660
However, we have been working with town leaders, including parks and recreation and the chamber of commerce, to minimize any disruptions to events that take place on the green or in the surrounding areas.

660
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,320
Also, the theater would not close during construction.

661
00:58:36,620 --> 00:58:37,880
There would not be a dark period.

662
00:58:38,560 --> 00:58:42,420
The existing theater in lobbies remain relatively unchanged.

663
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:49,060
And to answer another question, we are exploring ways that the facility can be used beyond

664
00:58:49,060 --> 00:58:53,320
Kate programming, including town use and community organization use, which are things that

665
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:54,040
we already do.

666
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:56,540
And this will just open up a new chapter for that.

667
00:58:57,040 --> 00:59:00,200
So our last slide is just kind of a quick recap.

668
00:59:00,420 --> 00:59:02,640
I'm not going to go through all of those pieces, but I just want to go through things

669
00:59:02,640 --> 00:59:07,340
on the left. So for us, what does growth look like? Well, during a two-year ramp-up period,

670
00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:13,080
35% increase in patrons, as I mentioned, we see that as a greater number for youth and education

671
00:59:13,080 --> 00:59:18,680
participants, upwards of 50 to 75%. The Kate would reach its full potential as a comprehensive

672
00:59:18,680 --> 00:59:23,360
cultural arts center. If you were to trade off some more opportunities because we have more space

673
00:59:23,360 --> 00:59:29,160
to do more things of different scale, I wanted to emphasize the importance of contiguous space.

674
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:33,840
There have been questions of, you know, there's a vacant storefront on the other side of town.

675
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:39,180
Couldn't we use that? It's possible. But the magic of this space is it's all under one roof,

676
00:59:39,180 --> 00:59:43,540
so we're sharing resources, we're sharing staff. If we were to have to create an entire

677
00:59:43,540 --> 00:59:48,060
other staff at another space for a smaller room, I don't think that economic model would work,

678
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:53,500
and then I wanted to remind everybody of that economic impact for old sabric of four to five and a

679
00:59:53,500 --> 00:59:58,020
half million dollars moving forward. So just to some closing remarks really quickly and I'll go back

680
00:59:58,020 --> 00:59:59,980
to that image. This expansion is about...

681
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,160
Much more than the Kate, it's an investment in a town-owned building that already works every day for our residents, our businesses,

682
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:15,540
Main Street and the economy. The Kate is thriving. The audiences are here, the programs are growing, and we've simply outgrown our space.

683
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:21,560
And the town isn't doing this alone. Private donors and supporters are investing millions alongside the town.

684
01:00:21,560 --> 01:00:27,580
For residents, this means more programs, classes, camps, community and community opportunities.

685
01:00:28,220 --> 01:00:33,660
For local businesses, it means more people eating, shopping, staying, and spending money here in Old

686
01:00:33,660 --> 01:00:34,040
Saverick.

687
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:39,480
This is our opportunity to build on something Old Saverick already knows, works.

688
01:00:39,760 --> 01:00:44,580
It's no longer a mystery as it was 20 years ago, and make a great community asset even

689
01:00:44,580 --> 01:00:46,480
stronger for generations to come.

690
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:48,360
I think that's our presentation.

691
01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:02,960
Okay, thank you. I will we'll begin our QLA and Collins from the crowd now.

692
01:01:05,520 --> 01:01:07,260
So same kind of general god rules everyone

693
01:01:07,260 --> 01:01:09,980
So well with the first one. I hope we can do it up for the second.

694
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:16,860
Okay, any questions about the second? I don't

695
01:01:19,260 --> 01:01:23,280
anybody anybody anybody now's your chance to help you shy. There we go over here

696
01:01:26,350 --> 01:01:28,070
Somebody behind you wants to go first

697
01:01:31,180 --> 01:01:40,040
So, with the recent, with the recent sale or the opportunity by the Bushnell Farm, I'm wondering

698
01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:47,540
how that has factored into this bond or these two bond opportunities and if it hasn't

699
01:01:47,540 --> 01:01:53,420
why not and shouldn't the town people have the opportunity to vote for the Bushnell versus

700
01:01:53,420 --> 01:01:57,760
the case versus the, what do you call it, the tongue rock?

701
01:02:02,660 --> 01:02:07,580
So the, the busional farm has not surfaced at the board of selectments.

702
01:02:07,700 --> 01:02:14,180
I know the properties up for sale, but there has been, we haven't been approached.

703
01:02:14,260 --> 01:02:19,020
I know the historical society has tried to start a conversation with the owners,

704
01:02:19,620 --> 01:02:26,820
but they've been from what I understand, relatively resistant and really want to just put

705
01:02:26,820 --> 01:02:30,140
to put the farm on the market and sell it to the highest bitter.

706
01:02:31,600 --> 01:02:33,700
So at the end of the day though,

707
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:37,740
it's not about whether it's the busional farm

708
01:02:37,740 --> 01:02:40,320
or whether it's docking dying.

709
01:02:40,980 --> 01:02:42,220
It's not one or the other.

710
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:45,580
It's this is what's before it folks now.

711
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,980
It wouldn't preclude future action on any other item.

712
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:01,640
Okay, you're all on that.

713
01:03:02,020 --> 01:03:02,660
So we'll put in there.

714
01:03:04,660 --> 01:03:07,540
So as I understand that the busional farm

715
01:03:07,540 --> 01:03:10,100
on the market for $12 million right now.

716
01:03:10,660 --> 01:03:17,460
So if that's the case, and if it's a future consideration, then we're talking about very

717
01:03:17,460 --> 01:03:21,400
significant dollars that are being asked of the town of Old Saybrook.

718
01:03:21,860 --> 01:03:27,860
So my question is, if it's not on the agenda today, which you said it is not, how do we

719
01:03:27,860 --> 01:03:32,400
get it on the agenda so that people can start talking about it and choose a preference?

720
01:03:34,020 --> 01:03:40,080
So a sale requires a willing purchaser and a willing seller and I mean, you know,

721
01:03:42,410 --> 01:03:43,370
and as I said,

722
01:03:43,550 --> 01:03:49,170
we've had some folks in town from the Historical Society have reached out and they've been

723
01:03:49,170 --> 01:03:49,670
shut out.

724
01:03:50,150 --> 01:03:52,370
So I have no other information on the personal farm.

725
01:03:52,490 --> 01:03:53,290
I just don't.

726
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:59,930
I understand it's important to you, but I have no other information on what will happen with

727
01:03:59,930 --> 01:04:01,170
that and when.

728
01:04:01,810 --> 01:04:02,350
No idea.

729
01:04:04,010 --> 01:04:06,510
Okay. Any other questions about the Kate?

730
01:04:06,970 --> 01:04:07,130
Sir.

731
01:04:09,770 --> 01:04:10,650
Thank you.

732
01:04:10,650 --> 01:04:11,710
Thank you for your presentation.

733
01:04:12,190 --> 01:04:13,650
I love the Kate, what it does for our community.

734
01:04:14,730 --> 01:04:15,470
Go there often.

735
01:04:16,670 --> 01:04:18,670
You noted one of the spaces could be modular.

736
01:04:19,170 --> 01:04:21,250
It could be the classroom, could be bigger, small.

737
01:04:21,690 --> 01:04:22,950
And I want to bridge my question into that.

738
01:04:23,230 --> 01:04:26,670
It was a lower cost option looked into for the main Kate spaces.

739
01:04:26,930 --> 01:04:30,350
It said you turned lectures away, which means money for the Kate, which means

740
01:04:30,350 --> 01:04:34,410
opportunity for the town, but could we utilize that space in a much

741
01:04:34,410 --> 01:04:38,330
other way rather than, I mean I get the bathrooms, I get the space for the

742
01:04:38,330 --> 01:04:41,870
artists, getting the tour buses off the main drag, you know, save the

743
01:04:41,870 --> 01:04:47,470
parking spaces, but the space itself I'm not seeing the need for 90 seats, you

744
01:04:47,470 --> 01:04:51,570
know, there as opposed to using what you have and partitioning it off.

745
01:04:52,350 --> 01:04:56,210
Sure. I think one of the biggest ways to look at that is there are several

746
01:04:56,210 --> 01:05:03,370
things that play the main space where 75 people are coming, for example, we would love to do

747
01:05:03,370 --> 01:05:08,330
more lectures with the historical society. But sometimes those numbers are 50, 75, sometimes

748
01:05:08,330 --> 01:05:13,350
they're 175 and that's wonderful. Having another space like this where I can appropriately put

749
01:05:13,350 --> 01:05:19,230
that lecture on Saturday or Sunday afternoon and also run the art film or the concert that's

750
01:05:19,230 --> 01:05:23,810
playing in the theater allows us to do both of those things and not turn those opportunities away.

751
01:05:24,970 --> 01:05:26,990
So you want to add to that, I'm just thinking a lot.

752
01:05:29,900 --> 01:05:31,220
Sure, yeah, well, that is true.

753
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:36,740
I mean, the ticket revenue from the 284 seats base is really important to keep paying

754
01:05:36,740 --> 01:05:39,740
staff and keep the place vibrant and moving forward.

755
01:05:40,060 --> 01:05:43,240
So having a space that we can do both things as opposed to one or the other.

756
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:47,260
As we've Robin mentioned, and I think I mentioned, sometimes we have to turn away those

757
01:05:47,260 --> 01:05:50,640
smaller things because we need to make sure that we're filling the room and doing the

758
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:54,020
thing and people are coming to town and eating in restaurants and we're making the impact

759
01:05:54,020 --> 01:05:54,800
that we plan to.

760
01:05:54,800 --> 01:05:57,900
So this gives us a lot of different ways

761
01:05:57,900 --> 01:06:02,160
to move programming around, to increase programming overall

762
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:04,540
and use the main theater to its maximum potential.

763
01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,160
I'd also share in the summer, I think it's important

764
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:11,320
to know with camps, as we bring on the older kids

765
01:06:11,320 --> 01:06:12,520
program that Robin was mentioning,

766
01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:15,880
we may have eight weeks of 7 a.m. to 7 p.m.

767
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:18,380
all summer with kids coming and going all summer.

768
01:06:18,780 --> 01:06:19,940
And right now we just can't do that.

769
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:22,060
We work out of the two spaces we have,

770
01:06:22,100 --> 01:06:23,560
we're actually renting from the middle school

771
01:06:23,560 --> 01:06:28,200
for one of our programs now, that may continue in the future because the programs may keep growing,

772
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:33,980
but it gives us a lot of flexibility. And with camps, the Cate is one state site. And this is

773
01:06:33,980 --> 01:06:39,140
another state site, so we have two camp directors, two firstators, two assistant directors. And that's

774
01:06:39,140 --> 01:06:42,820
the same example of having space across town with another performance space that's all about that

775
01:06:42,820 --> 01:06:45,060
contiguous space. Hope that answers your question.

776
01:06:49,460 --> 01:06:49,560
Sure.

777
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,540
When he says he can offer two things,

778
01:06:55,540 --> 01:06:59,680
correct me if I'm wrong. He means he can have the lecture while the stage lighting is being

779
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:03,840
adjusted. They're doing sound checks for the band because to have a live show or even play a movie,

780
01:07:04,280 --> 01:07:09,480
you have to change a lot of the logistics of the room in order to have that function. So you can have

781
01:07:09,480 --> 01:07:14,600
simultaneous activities being prepped or running in a room as someone who reset the room for this meeting

782
01:07:14,600 --> 01:07:18,700
tonight. Not everyone realizes like the time and energy it takes to reset all that.

783
01:07:19,240 --> 01:07:23,560
Yeah, that is, that is absolutely correct. And another example of that is we do this to life

784
01:07:23,560 --> 01:07:27,440
innovations, all abilities production every year. They have upwards of 50 people in that cast.

785
01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:29,960
Our dressing rooms don't hold 50 people, so we're using our mark.

786
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:44,380
He glove in other spaces in there. This would give us another way to how those people end on a week where this day is rehearsing Sunday Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday before they open on Thursday. We could do other things in the other space so that there is continuous action during the week as well.

787
01:07:46,990 --> 01:07:55,790
Okay, we're going up here. Sir, you're talking about running more than one event at the same time.

788
01:07:56,270 --> 01:08:02,290
When the kid has got a shield going now, parking becomes a real premium and it's difficult

789
01:08:02,290 --> 01:08:05,890
sometimes to find spaces when you guys are sold out.

790
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:10,110
So would we planning to do if you're running more than one event at the same time in terms

791
01:08:10,110 --> 01:08:10,690
of parking?

792
01:08:11,490 --> 01:08:15,190
Yep, we do have a plan for that and that is for zoning right now.

793
01:08:15,610 --> 01:08:16,750
A couple of pieces to that.

794
01:08:16,890 --> 01:08:20,970
So one, if we have two events running, first of all they don't both start at seven o'clock

795
01:08:20,970 --> 01:08:24,490
or eight o'clock, they start staggered, so it doesn't change traffic on Main Street.

796
01:08:24,490 --> 01:08:30,990
I will say, for parking, we have put forth a plan to zoning that shows that we have within

797
01:08:30,990 --> 01:08:35,150
a thousand feet of the gate three times the zoning required parking spaces.

798
01:08:35,810 --> 01:08:40,350
The thing that I like to have been saying is that I think we have a parking perception problem

799
01:08:40,350 --> 01:08:41,730
more than a parking problem.

800
01:08:42,230 --> 01:08:47,110
The reason I say that is that we have designated spaces down at Porter Plaza where paperback

801
01:08:47,110 --> 01:08:50,170
is, Grace Church is also on that list as approved.

802
01:08:50,850 --> 01:08:55,090
Everybody wants to park in the one space directly in front of the gate, which just isn't

803
01:08:55,090 --> 01:08:56,110
feasible for a theater.

804
01:08:57,290 --> 01:09:01,570
But what I would ask you to think about is the walk from Good Speed Opera House to the

805
01:09:01,570 --> 01:09:05,730
parking lot, or if you're at the busional to the parking garage or the lots, is no farther

806
01:09:05,730 --> 01:09:09,030
than Porter Plaza or Grace Church and it's lighted and it's safe.

807
01:09:09,670 --> 01:09:14,070
So I would like to share or propose that we have a parking perception problem.

808
01:09:14,250 --> 01:09:17,170
There is a lot of parking just a few feet away.

809
01:09:17,170 --> 01:09:21,150
You just have to, you know, come down in the three to four minute walk from Porter Plaza.

810
01:09:25,590 --> 01:09:26,150
S, man.

811
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:35,460
Hello. Um, no. Thank you. Okay. So I tried to get my brain in order here.

812
01:09:35,560 --> 01:09:42,060
So it's really choppy, but I just have sort of three points in questions and questions. Um,

813
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:49,440
all right. So, so in my opinion, the case awesome. You guys have done a lot for the town.

814
01:09:49,440 --> 01:09:53,060
the town has done a lot for you, and it seems like we're being accommodating throughout

815
01:09:53,060 --> 01:09:58,260
the town, parking spots, other locations, hostia locations, donations, and so forth.

816
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:04,660
Now with the success of the cake, which it is, it's a spot in Old Sabreak.

817
01:10:05,400 --> 01:10:11,240
I personally think that it would be amazing if the cake could spread it.

818
01:10:11,380 --> 01:10:14,220
It's success to other parts of Old Sabreak.

819
01:10:14,220 --> 01:10:16,820
have another building to host your camps.

820
01:10:17,500 --> 01:10:20,500
You know, do set up a whole new building for all of that

821
01:10:20,500 --> 01:10:24,660
and leave the town hall, I call the town hall,

822
01:10:24,840 --> 01:10:26,680
still the theater, the way it is.

823
01:10:27,360 --> 01:10:30,860
Now, from what I recall and have learned about Katherine Hepburn,

824
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:32,460
she was a fierce supporter of, you know,

825
01:10:32,540 --> 01:10:34,400
protecting his historic parts of Old Saber.

826
01:10:36,960 --> 01:10:41,500
I don't think that she would go for an addition like this,

827
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:43,000
to be completely honest with you.

828
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:50,020
And I also think that with all the expanding that you're doing with all of the growing numbers in your educational programs and so forth

829
01:10:50,020 --> 01:10:58,120
Why are we trying to shove them into a space still that's probably going to be too small by the rate that they're growing?

830
01:10:59,480 --> 01:10:59,580
Still.

831
01:11:00,700 --> 01:11:02,040
That's just my opinion. Thank you.

832
01:11:03,300 --> 01:11:03,780
Great.

833
01:11:04,960 --> 01:11:10,220
Well, I don't know what Katherine Hepburn would think about it, so I'm going to put that on to the side because I can't answer for her.

834
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:17,060
One of the things we mentioned during our presentation was the contiguous space piece which is really important to this project.

835
01:11:17,480 --> 01:11:24,040
I do think we are creating a space that is well outfitted and well suited for the next chapter of the case and the next many years.

836
01:11:24,900 --> 01:11:29,680
I can't tell you if 20 years from now will be renting from the middle school again because the list programs have grown.

837
01:11:30,280 --> 01:11:39,960
But as I did share, same as programming, if there was an empty storefront on the other side of town, I don't think it physically makes financial sense to be able to have an entire

838
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:50,760
separate staff over there. Everything is under one space plus four camps. For example, the magic is that those kids get to be on the Kate stage with stage lighting on their last performance date.

839
01:11:51,240 --> 01:11:56,800
And so if they are somewhere across town, that is considered a field trip and now you're trying to figure out how to get them there or the logistics.

840
01:11:57,500 --> 01:12:06,480
Even just to have kids at the middle school and come back to the Kate. It is considered a field trip by the state standards and there's safety vests and moving first aid kids and all sorts of things.

841
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:11,480
So for us, we believe it is important to have contiguous space.

842
01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:14,620
We're also not changing the historic nature of that building.

843
01:12:14,860 --> 01:12:18,980
I will tell you that Shepo, which Shepo stands for, I'm trying to remember.

844
01:12:21,580 --> 01:12:23,220
State Historic Preservation, something.

845
01:12:24,140 --> 01:12:25,680
They have already approved these plans as well.

846
01:12:25,800 --> 01:12:29,960
They're looking to see expansions on historic buildings that take the character of the original

847
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,420
building, but do not try to completely replicate it.

848
01:12:32,480 --> 01:12:35,720
So we have gotten a thumbs up from them already as well.

849
01:12:36,900 --> 01:12:37,560
Does that answer your question?

850
01:12:45,860 --> 01:12:54,320
Like, the problem of, like, you keep growing, like the amount of people that come in, you know, attend your activities and do your camps.

851
01:12:54,380 --> 01:12:55,100
Which is great.

852
01:12:56,280 --> 01:12:59,260
If you still don't have enough space, even after this edition.

853
01:13:00,220 --> 01:13:00,660
Well, I think.

854
01:13:01,320 --> 01:13:03,080
I mean, if you have to hire,

855
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,560
I think there's no amount of money that you're asking for right now.

856
01:13:09,780 --> 01:13:12,360
I think you can make it work to be honest with you.

857
01:13:12,660 --> 01:13:13,460
But that's my pity.

858
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:14,280
Sure.

859
01:13:17,660 --> 01:13:30,120
I appreciate that. Thank you. You know, I think I at this point, while we are trying to think of 20 years from now, we need to focus on the next 20 years not where we're at in 20 years.

860
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,080
Do you have any one to add to that? I'm just thinking.

861
01:13:34,060 --> 01:13:38,920
Yeah, it gives us a lot to think about for sure, but, you know, what's to say that 25 years

862
01:13:38,920 --> 01:13:43,820
from now, we're not, hypothetically, not going to happen, but we're purchasing land over

863
01:13:43,820 --> 01:13:47,360
Mariners' way and we're renovating a plot of land there and there's a 500 seat, I don't

864
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:51,740
know, you know, there could be a future chapter to this, but this is, in our opinion, a very

865
01:13:51,740 --> 01:13:53,460
right next chapter for the cave.

866
01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:59,220
I want to just to add, so we've been working on this project for about five years.

867
01:13:59,220 --> 01:14:10,140
We've gone through a lot of iterations of the what-ifs we did think about is this enough is it going to satisfy what we're trying to do, you know, for the next twenty five

868
01:14:10,140 --> 01:14:18,200
We came to the conclusion that it is at the moment, but yeah, you raise a valid point, but it hasn't been something that was thrown together overnight. It's been

869
01:14:18,860 --> 01:14:27,300
Costed down to the light switches. It has been pretty thoroughly reviewed by all of the boards and commissions that need to look at the plan

870
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:32,380
So, you know, we did consider all those things early on,

871
01:14:32,700 --> 01:14:35,300
which I had a better way to articulate that for you.

872
01:14:37,100 --> 01:14:39,140
Yeah, I just, I love the Kate too.

873
01:14:39,580 --> 01:14:43,380
And we moved it down when you guys were getting ready to move in there.

874
01:14:43,780 --> 01:14:49,220
And it's been a fabulous thing to watch, grow, and really explode,

875
01:14:49,380 --> 01:14:54,920
and create such a central place for somebody folks to come into.

876
01:14:54,920 --> 01:14:59,840
So, I just, I'm trying to summarize my four points, I think, and I think they.

877
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:19,600
Piggy back on what you're looking for. One of the things I noticed and you said in another presentation, I think it's important to call out, is that you and Carl have been reached out to by other towns saying, how are you doing that? That's really cool. I think that's important to reset here for you guys.

878
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:29,700
But one of the numbers I was surprised about was that 28% of Sabroke residents, you know, we don't need a parking spot, a lot of us, we could bike down, we could walk down.

879
01:15:30,580 --> 01:15:44,080
So I just want to give a shout out to, you know, put some, put some minds to work. How can we grow that 28%, because I did see somebody walking down to an event on the green from their home.

880
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:49,340
And I think that's a real opportunity to really say, hey, we're here, and that's cool.

881
01:15:49,480 --> 01:15:55,640
You're coming from mass, but hey, old Sabro, thanks for supporting us and see how we bring

882
01:15:55,640 --> 01:15:56,500
in our doors.

883
01:15:57,020 --> 01:15:59,840
So just how to grow that 28%.

884
01:15:59,840 --> 01:16:03,240
And I don't know what all those numbers look like, but I know they're big.

885
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:09,740
So my second suggestion or idea is if we're putting in more money and you're running more

886
01:16:09,740 --> 01:16:16,780
programs, you must be given something back to the town, maybe start up a fund to say how

887
01:16:16,780 --> 01:16:23,300
to grow the arts, how to share the arts for other programs that may come to town. So we feed

888
01:16:23,300 --> 01:16:29,260
it back and then we let somebody else who wants to buy a busional or whatever build a farm

889
01:16:29,260 --> 01:16:34,640
that's an art farm or something. So just an idea of how to share that money, maybe that's

890
01:16:34,640 --> 01:16:36,820
discussion that's already come up.

891
01:16:37,140 --> 01:16:40,880
And then the last two points were, please expand if you could

892
01:16:40,880 --> 01:16:43,480
about that state of Connecticut awards for arts,

893
01:16:43,660 --> 01:16:44,800
because we deserve it.

894
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:47,340
And I want to know when we're going to get it.

895
01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:51,400
And number four is, if you could get the real numbers

896
01:16:51,400 --> 01:16:55,280
for how you have busted out all the businesses

897
01:16:55,280 --> 01:16:58,580
by having the Kate and Town, that study you brought up

898
01:16:58,580 --> 01:17:04,060
is great, but I had to say I wondered what national number

899
01:17:04,060 --> 01:17:08,500
that is that in New York, is that who, but what are, what are say books numbers, whatever

900
01:17:08,500 --> 01:17:13,460
those real numbers, so just a suggestion there to get some more support for what you're doing.

901
01:17:14,260 --> 01:17:19,300
Thank you for all of those. Just very, very quickly, on that last point, that is the national average

902
01:17:19,300 --> 01:17:26,500
number. We chose to use that number to sort of simplify the process in previous studies that they

903
01:17:26,500 --> 01:17:31,080
actually broke out in town attendees versus out of town attendees and, of course, out of town

904
01:17:32,220 --> 01:17:40,480
and then they gave us the middle number in this last survey, so we actually anticipated that number could have been a bit higher because we have so many people coming from out of town.

905
01:17:44,160 --> 01:17:44,860
There are hands?

906
01:17:45,680 --> 01:17:46,940
Okay, I'll work this side of the room.

907
01:17:47,900 --> 01:17:51,340
Oh yeah, the 28% was 28% in the last year as well.

908
01:17:51,520 --> 01:17:55,420
If I didn't say that, that was came in the last year, so that doesn't mean multiple years.

909
01:17:55,560 --> 01:17:56,180
So sorry about that.

910
01:17:59,180 --> 01:18:05,260
Over time, yes, it was 28% came to a short participant in an education program in the last year.

911
01:18:05,260 --> 01:18:07,400
was the 28% we presented?

912
01:18:10,650 --> 01:18:18,370
So, I'm an enthusiastic volunteer at the Kate, and I talk about the expansion to anybody

913
01:18:18,370 --> 01:18:24,450
who will listen to me, but one of the things I hear frequently is this is going to raise

914
01:18:24,450 --> 01:18:29,470
my taxes, and I hope that Carl can address that for the town.

915
01:18:32,160 --> 01:18:37,080
I had an email today, and I answered that question, and I've had several conversations about

916
01:18:40,520 --> 01:18:51,400
So your taxes are based off three different buckets, education, this building, all the teachers.

917
01:18:52,940 --> 01:19:00,020
Town government, me, Bill Claffey, paying the people to run your parks programs,

918
01:19:08,700 --> 01:19:08,700
your

919
01:19:09,500 --> 01:19:14,940
put out to the market in the past to build a police station to acquire

920
01:19:16,140 --> 01:19:21,160
town park and all the things that we've bonded over the years, a lot of them

921
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:26,760
have rolled off the books. So those are the three buckets that affect your

922
01:19:26,760 --> 01:19:34,640
taxes. Education budget is about a $32 million budget. The town budget is about a

923
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:44,660
20 million dollar budget. Last year, debt service was 2.617 million, okay? So we paid 2.617

924
01:19:44,660 --> 01:19:53,360
million last year for projects that we've done in the past. That number right now as we stand

925
01:19:53,360 --> 01:20:02,320
here today goes to zero in about 14 years, okay? So we would have no debt, but that is an unlikely

926
01:20:02,320 --> 01:20:12,880
scenario and quite frankly, not a sound strategy for a town that wants to continue to invest

927
01:20:12,880 --> 01:20:18,780
in its community, whether it's roads, DPW trucks, police stations, new parking

928
01:20:18,780 --> 01:20:26,640
facilities, there are many towns that keep their debt service at the same level because

929
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:30,540
they don't want it to go down because they know eventually they're going to have to keep

930
01:20:30,540 --> 01:20:39,000
investing. So we've had some debt service roll-off over the years and we're about 2.617 right now.

931
01:20:40,840 --> 01:20:47,770
Over the last few years we've created a long-term liability fund that has about $1 million in it

932
01:20:48,300 --> 01:20:58,860
and the idea if these questions pass is to basically, so what happens when you take on debt is

933
01:20:58,860 --> 01:21:03,400
You have a little spike in your debt service, and then it comes down.

934
01:21:04,080 --> 01:21:14,160
So the idea with the long-term liability fund is to handle the spike, and it'll come down in a few years to where we are now.

935
01:21:14,920 --> 01:21:19,040
Now, we may have to increase the debt service budget a little bit next year.

936
01:21:19,700 --> 01:21:25,960
It's at 2.617, so what I'm going to recommend to any members of the Board of Finance who are here right now.

937
01:21:25,960 --> 01:21:33,600
Probably next year. We'll probably go to like 2.7 and maybe 2.8 the next year, but it's within 3 or 4 years

938
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:42,060
If these questions pass that the debt service comes down to about 2.8 million a year and

939
01:21:42,060 --> 01:21:45,640
It starts off at 3.1 million. So the idea

940
01:21:46,260 --> 01:21:48,780
I hope I'm not losing anybody here. I hope this is

941
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:55,700
The idea basically is to use the long-term liability fund and that has been the strategy

942
01:21:55,700 --> 01:22:01,560
We've discussed it with the Board of Finance to offset any spike in debt service that comes.

943
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:12,860
So, and to keep the debt service steady, not let it go down as we may be taken on new and different projects over the course of the next 10 years.

944
01:22:12,860 --> 01:22:28,780
So, the question will it raise my taxes is kind of a funny question, what's more likely to raise your taxes is the education and town government budget next year than the debt service budget.

945
01:22:28,780 --> 01:22:29,960
The debt service budget.

946
01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:57,880
It is going to be relatively steady. It won't decrease. So when it decreases, you know, taxes could be, you know, modified a little bit. But we're not going to let it decrease. We're going to keep it steady. So there'll be no decrease decrease in the debt service budget. But the real impact of attacks is really on the education and town service. Is that reasonable for an answer? I mean, yeah, no, I know.

947
01:22:57,880 --> 01:23:07,680
But it's, so I just want to, that is the strategy, that's the strategy that's been developed with the finance director in with the board of finance.

948
01:23:07,860 --> 01:23:10,240
We've talked about this.

949
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,740
There's another hand over here.

950
01:23:13,500 --> 01:23:14,020
Okay.

951
01:23:14,620 --> 01:23:16,280
Then I'll come up to you.

952
01:23:16,320 --> 01:23:16,740
Do that.

953
01:23:20,800 --> 01:23:23,420
I had that question.

954
01:23:23,700 --> 01:23:25,340
That was that was part of my question.

955
01:23:25,340 --> 01:23:32,660
But it just, I don't understand it, so I'm hoping you could explain that without all those big numbers that you have there.

956
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:34,320
They're not on profit, right?

957
01:23:35,300 --> 01:23:35,580
Yes.

958
01:23:36,860 --> 01:23:40,220
And you're asking the taxpayers to incur this.

959
01:23:40,400 --> 01:23:43,000
But I just heard about your debt ratio and all that.

960
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:45,060
How, it doesn't make sense to me.

961
01:23:45,060 --> 01:23:46,160
I only run my household.

962
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:51,880
So I don't understand how that millions of dollars is not going to affect.

963
01:23:59,050 --> 01:24:08,450
So when you pay your mortgage over the course of 30 years, you pay more interest in the

964
01:24:08,450 --> 01:24:13,950
beginning and then less interest and you start paying more principal, but a lot of times

965
01:24:13,950 --> 01:24:19,730
your payments, sometimes your payments can go down or at least the amount of interest

966
01:24:19,730 --> 01:24:27,690
your pain is going down. So, the idea is to basically keep the payment steady for what

967
01:24:27,690 --> 01:24:37,730
we're paying to borrow money for the town and not let debt roll off from previous projects.

968
01:24:38,550 --> 01:24:43,790
I'm happy to explain it to you if you, I have charts in my office where we've done

969
01:24:43,790 --> 01:24:49,450
these debt service. Like I said, we're currently paying, I'm just going to use round numbers,

970
01:24:49,770 --> 01:24:56,470
around 3 million in debt service. We haven't bonded a project in 10 years. So it makes

971
01:24:56,470 --> 01:25:04,490
sense that our debt level would continue to go down, right? Does that make sense? No? I'm

972
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:13,510
weren't they supposed to?

973
01:25:15,640 --> 01:25:18,020
I guess the question, if I can talk about them, the question

974
01:25:18,020 --> 01:25:24,280
It seems to be at why is the town taking on obligation for the nonprofit, right, isn't that the question?

975
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:29,840
Thank you. Okay. So we have a partnership with the Kate. It's a town building.

976
01:25:30,120 --> 01:25:38,360
They've asked to expand, to cater to additional needs and services that they see would benefit the town.

977
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:46,160
And in the Katherine Hepburn Theatre itself, the town as a partner is willing to put this before the voters.

978
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,840
So, on September 29th, you can vote yes or no.

979
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:54,020
So we are partners with the K in that building right now.

980
01:25:54,240 --> 01:25:55,880
They've desired to do an expansion.

981
01:25:56,340 --> 01:26:02,240
The Board of Finance and Board of Selectmen have said, yes to that expansion, but we need

982
01:26:02,240 --> 01:26:03,180
to hear from the voters.

983
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:05,380
Sir,

984
01:26:07,740 --> 01:26:12,920
well I understand we're doing a very nice thing, giving the K millions of dollars.

985
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:21,080
I'll about the key giving back, giving us half price tickets for old cyber, reducing the

986
01:26:22,260 --> 01:26:25,580
enrichment programs with the families and the kids.

987
01:26:26,380 --> 01:26:27,480
That's what I would like to say.

988
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:28,720
Okay.

989
01:26:30,740 --> 01:26:31,220
Sure.

990
01:26:31,560 --> 01:26:35,000
The first reminder in that is, is that the town will still own the building.

991
01:26:35,320 --> 01:26:37,040
So, well, we do this project together.

992
01:26:37,180 --> 01:26:41,500
The money that we're raising, we're headed, you know, much of it is going to the town.

993
01:26:41,500 --> 01:26:43,600
So, we still don't own the building.

994
01:26:44,260 --> 01:26:50,800
In terms of your ticket question, that is a not-in-easy question to answer because for us,

995
01:26:50,960 --> 01:26:52,340
every show is contracted.

996
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:59,460
If we needed to reduce costs or give half price tickets to an artist, let's say, Grandma Nash

997
01:26:59,460 --> 01:27:05,080
is coming in, we wouldn't get Grandma Nash, because it costs $X to bring Grandma Nash in,

998
01:27:05,200 --> 01:27:06,860
and we have to pay that amount.

999
01:27:06,860 --> 01:27:10,200
So it's not as though at the end of any show,

1000
01:27:10,520 --> 01:27:12,160
we just have lots of money left over.

1001
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:17,080
The Kate thriving doesn't mean that there are just millions of dollars after shows.

1002
01:27:18,460 --> 01:27:23,360
We have been in the black and we have put some money away for a rainy day.

1003
01:27:23,460 --> 01:27:25,640
I'll give you an example of that rainy day, the pandemic.

1004
01:27:26,080 --> 01:27:27,940
We didn't lay off our staff during the pandemic.

1005
01:27:28,020 --> 01:27:29,420
We only had four full-time staff.

1006
01:27:29,860 --> 01:27:32,840
We have to be physically responsible and be ready for the next thing.

1007
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:37,380
But ticket prices are set in every single contract for every single show.

1008
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:39,840
So I don't necessarily have the ability to do that,

1009
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,980
or we just wouldn't exist. It's not part of the current model.

1010
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:46,880
There may be other ways, Robin mentioned scholarships for camps.

1011
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:51,360
We do have scholarships for camps. Old-saber presidents can apply for those.

1012
01:27:52,200 --> 01:27:55,280
We also do our scholarship for old-saber presidents.

1013
01:27:56,000 --> 01:27:58,680
In terms of our other givebacks, I'm thinking of celebrate saber.

1014
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:04,800
we had four people working a 16-hour day and the town didn't pay for that. We just did it.

1015
01:28:04,860 --> 01:28:08,900
You know, it was at some of our equipment, like all those pieces. So we have a unique partnership

1016
01:28:08,900 --> 01:28:12,980
that we work together on those things. I understand that what you're saying that you might not

1017
01:28:12,980 --> 01:28:17,220
see it individually in that way. We're hoping everybody will look at the bigger picture because

1018
01:28:17,220 --> 01:28:26,220
the bigger picture says that it is a good thing for old sabreak. Okay. Well, I'm right here.

1019
01:28:28,490 --> 01:28:35,150
I just like to say that I think the biggest problem we have in this town is we don't set priorities.

1020
01:28:36,170 --> 01:28:42,950
You want to pay, you want over there, you want the busional, I want a community center,

1021
01:28:43,490 --> 01:28:47,790
and I don't think, I don't think the town.

1022
01:28:47,970 --> 01:28:54,150
And look at this, we have 10,000 people, maybe 5,000, we have maybe 5,000 people that so.

1023
01:28:54,150 --> 01:28:58,430
And I don't even think we have 250 people here tonight.

1024
01:28:59,410 --> 01:29:02,790
So I think the biggest issue is priority.

1025
01:29:03,390 --> 01:29:07,150
One of my questions though is because I just have to

1026
01:29:07,150 --> 01:29:10,130
because of my electric bill.

1027
01:29:10,650 --> 01:29:14,910
What type of heating are you going to have in this place?

1028
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:21,490
Because I'm facing a $750 month electric bill

1029
01:29:21,490 --> 01:29:26,490
And I have a small cake, it went five, six, and seven.

1030
01:29:26,930 --> 01:29:29,110
And I think that we have all these buildings.

1031
01:29:29,510 --> 01:29:32,690
And I want to make sure that they're energy efficient.

1032
01:29:33,090 --> 01:29:36,070
And on top of that, I want to know what happens

1033
01:29:36,070 --> 01:29:40,710
to the money if the town is putting up so much money.

1034
01:29:41,750 --> 01:29:44,870
And then there's going to be another.

1035
01:29:44,870 --> 01:29:50,970
If that other money doesn't come in, who's responsible for the money?

1036
01:29:51,450 --> 01:29:54,230
That's what I want to know.

1037
01:29:54,990 --> 01:29:56,290
Okay, so a question seems to be about A.

1038
01:29:56,590 --> 01:29:58,390
The energy efficiency for the heating and B.

1039
01:29:58,510 --> 01:29:59,790
What happens is something like a tendency.

1040
01:30:02,420 --> 01:30:29,980
So for the energy piece, there are a lot of energy codes now for new buildings. Those are all being met. I don't want to miss speak in terms of answering for our context. I know that the energy efficiency of this building has been a big point of conversation for it. I mean, it will be heated and it will be air conditioned and it is a 7500 square foot space. They have looked at a lot of different models on that. I do know that I don't have the final version to answer for you.

1041
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:32,480
we can get you that answer if you'd like it, for sure.

1042
01:30:33,240 --> 01:30:34,680
Okay, we'll have to connect after then.

1043
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:36,860
And the second question just for clear.

1044
01:30:36,860 --> 01:30:38,860
The second question was, I think there wasn't

1045
01:30:38,860 --> 01:30:40,880
talk about some sort of grants that might come

1046
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,220
through to help finance this, what happens if those don't come

1047
01:30:43,220 --> 01:30:43,640
to fruition.

1048
01:30:45,400 --> 01:30:46,100
Oh, got it.

1049
01:30:46,380 --> 01:30:49,580
Okay, so, yes, if the referendum doesn't pass,

1050
01:30:49,820 --> 01:30:52,720
there will be another version that we will need to look at.

1051
01:30:56,670 --> 01:30:58,710
So I think the question was,

1052
01:30:58,710 --> 01:31:02,810
the town is proposing a bond of 6.3 million

1053
01:31:02,810 --> 01:31:08,070
And the key is proposing to raise five million in capital funds.

1054
01:31:08,570 --> 01:31:12,190
I think the question was, what if those funds don't come in, the five million?

1055
01:31:13,850 --> 01:31:14,330
Got it.

1056
01:31:14,690 --> 01:31:17,210
That won't happen because we are just about there right now.

1057
01:31:17,530 --> 01:31:19,130
It is in cash and pledges.

1058
01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:23,990
Because of the pledges, we do have a line of credit to make up the difference in the immediate interim.

1059
01:31:24,150 --> 01:31:26,370
Well, the pledges continue to be paid, and we are still fundraising.

1060
01:31:28,630 --> 01:31:29,310
Thank you.

1061
01:31:29,810 --> 01:31:30,410
I got you here.

1062
01:31:34,980 --> 01:31:41,780
My question is, I don't think many people, including me, understand the least agreement

1063
01:31:41,780 --> 01:31:49,220
between the town and the Cate, in terms of who pays for what, in terms of maintenance,

1064
01:31:50,180 --> 01:31:56,200
heating and electrical bills, as we just mentioned, if the building expands in size will

1065
01:31:56,200 --> 01:32:01,680
least agreement change. So please educate me.

1066
01:32:03,100 --> 01:32:04,240
Do you want to start?

1067
01:32:04,880 --> 01:32:05,300
Or I can?

1068
01:32:08,290 --> 01:32:09,930
Yeah. I mean, we may need to review that.

1069
01:32:10,230 --> 01:32:13,610
That is something that we were just talking about at the other day.

1070
01:32:14,230 --> 01:32:18,310
Currently, there is an agreement that sort of does lay out all of those pieces.

1071
01:32:18,390 --> 01:32:21,950
It is public knowledge if anybody who wanted to see it at that point.

1072
01:32:22,870 --> 01:32:26,050
You know, the town pays electric and civilist pieces.

1073
01:32:26,050 --> 01:32:28,630
We reimburse a certain portion of those pieces.

1074
01:32:29,330 --> 01:32:31,970
There's also some unique pieces where some of the electric

1075
01:32:31,970 --> 01:32:34,210
around the building, the clock out front and all those things,

1076
01:32:34,270 --> 01:32:34,930
are in that building.

1077
01:32:34,950 --> 01:32:37,210
That's why they're kind of married together the way that they are.

1078
01:32:37,430 --> 01:32:38,830
They're not really able to be separated out.

1079
01:32:38,890 --> 01:32:40,430
The Kate also has two electric meters.

1080
01:32:40,810 --> 01:32:42,930
Everything that happens on stage is the second meter,

1081
01:32:42,990 --> 01:32:44,450
and we're paying that out right.

1082
01:32:45,090 --> 01:32:46,710
So that is a part of the equation as well.

1083
01:32:46,950 --> 01:32:48,550
Did you want to add anything to that?

1084
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:56,060
Don't bother mine.

1085
01:32:56,060 --> 01:33:01,960
nuts and bolts, 7,500 square feet, 11.3 million.

1086
01:33:03,820 --> 01:33:09,180
How much is it per square foot for this extension expansion?

1087
01:33:09,640 --> 01:33:13,680
Without pulling out my iPhone and running that, I don't know off the top of my head.

1088
01:33:14,760 --> 01:33:16,860
I mean, it has been designed.

1089
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:18,600
It has been refined.

1090
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:21,300
We've been very careful on the costs.

1091
01:33:21,300 --> 01:33:25,860
that one point, it was over $12 million and we have continued working to bring it down.

1092
01:33:27,180 --> 01:33:31,900
We also know that, for example, for the performance space, it needs to be outfitted

1093
01:33:31,900 --> 01:33:34,320
in the way that people will want to come to that space.

1094
01:33:34,460 --> 01:33:40,540
So if we put a film in the new space that would have been in the existing space, we have to

1095
01:33:40,540 --> 01:33:43,300
make sure that somebody doesn't say, oh, it just wasn't as good, right?

1096
01:33:43,300 --> 01:33:45,140
So we're being careful about that as well.

1097
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:48,940
I could run that calculation for you, but I don't have it in front of me.

1098
01:33:57,410 --> 01:34:03,610
No, it being a town project, it will go out to bid there will be an RFP that will go

1099
01:34:03,610 --> 01:34:08,450
shortly after the referendum should it be a yes vote and so there will be a full process

1100
01:34:08,450 --> 01:34:15,010
by the town standards for that. We have used a contractor through the process who has been

1101
01:34:15,690 --> 01:34:25,710
doing the quotes for so we have very real numbers. They've done that every few weeks for the

1102
01:34:25,710 --> 01:34:31,410
So is that, well, we're fairly certain that when we turn this over to Bids, we already know

1103
01:34:31,410 --> 01:34:35,090
about where it should come in as opposed to it being a surprise and over a million dollars

1104
01:34:35,090 --> 01:34:36,130
or under a million dollars.

1105
01:34:36,190 --> 01:34:39,270
That's why I've been doing the extra work through the process to ensure that we're right

1106
01:34:39,270 --> 01:34:39,790
on track.

1107
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:42,840
Thank you.

1108
01:34:53,900 --> 01:34:59,320
Is there going to be areas where people could have meetings or get together, is that going

1109
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:02,320
to be available for townspeople even if it was rental?

1110
01:35:03,660 --> 01:35:06,340
It is a piece that we are actively working on.

1111
01:35:06,340 --> 01:35:09,700
I think that, so with the agreement with the town,

1112
01:35:09,880 --> 01:35:12,340
there is sort of a hierarchy in terms of how that space

1113
01:35:12,340 --> 01:35:13,140
becomes available.

1114
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:16,380
After Kate programming, it's town programming,

1115
01:35:16,560 --> 01:35:18,900
and then it's town organizations, like nonprofits.

1116
01:35:19,700 --> 01:35:21,500
We're already doing some of those.

1117
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:24,860
As the years have gone by, there has been a little bit less of that

1118
01:35:24,860 --> 01:35:26,620
because there has been so much Kate programming.

1119
01:35:26,960 --> 01:35:28,000
So the answer is yes.

1120
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:32,200
We know that there will be a lot of Kate programming happening

1121
01:35:32,200 --> 01:35:35,000
in it as well, so I don't want to over-promise

1122
01:35:35,000 --> 01:35:37,280
that every last birthday party could be at the K.

1123
01:35:37,500 --> 01:35:39,620
And that's not what we want that space to do.

1124
01:35:40,360 --> 01:35:41,600
If that answers that question?

1125
01:35:41,940 --> 01:35:43,080
Yeah, well, I would like that.

1126
01:35:43,840 --> 01:35:45,760
I also think people complain a lot

1127
01:35:45,760 --> 01:35:48,700
that there's not enough for teenagers to do.

1128
01:35:49,180 --> 01:35:54,360
So if, like you said, kids are aging out of the camp,

1129
01:35:54,600 --> 01:35:55,340
you know, participation.

1130
01:35:55,840 --> 01:35:57,120
If there's something for teenagers,

1131
01:35:57,380 --> 01:35:59,260
where they could learn to sing,

1132
01:35:59,660 --> 01:36:03,760
or a little bit more theatrical, and things to bring them

1133
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:06,360
a little bit. I think that would be great.

1134
01:36:06,360 --> 01:36:11,680
That is a huge opportunity and area of growth is that teenage population were so limited by space

1135
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:16,180
right now. It's not something we've been able to work on. So yeah, that is a huge piece of sort

1136
01:36:16,180 --> 01:36:19,980
of the next chapter of the cake. We'd love to partner with Youth and Family Services. I'm programs,

1137
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:21,440
for example, a lot of opportunity.

1138
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:25,480
Hi, everyone.

1139
01:36:27,720 --> 01:36:33,720
Me, I'm coming from the, from the, if you look

1140
01:36:35,160 --> 01:36:41,060
the Cirque du Soleil, right? If you look at the Cirque du Soleil, which I came from,

1141
01:36:42,020 --> 01:36:47,520
from Montreal, there's a lot of things that you think was not possible. You think that those

1142
01:36:47,520 --> 01:36:54,180
guys were crazy. But it turned out that this was one of the most successful project that

1143
01:36:54,180 --> 01:37:01,360
they had there, right? It was created in Montreal. So, me what I'm thinking is, I love your project,

1144
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:06,740
but I don't think that project is for the 2020-26 and beyond that.

1145
01:37:07,140 --> 01:37:15,840
I'm thinking it's pretty soon we'll be able to see, okay, it's feasible right now to see the famous

1146
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:21,360
people that are dead and make them making a show in front of you. This is all possible.

1147
01:37:22,740 --> 01:37:27,100
And I'm with the lady that was talking here a little bit earlier.

1148
01:37:28,120 --> 01:37:29,960
My big question is...

1149
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:42,140
Is this stage what we're doing? You're doing extension, but what you see quite often is you built a house and then you built an extension there and another extension there.

1150
01:37:42,220 --> 01:37:59,620
And at the end, this is why I should have built the whole thing right from the beginning. So me, the way I look at it is are we looking at something just enough, but not big enough to be able to be long to the 21st century.

1151
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:04,220
with all of the new things that the new technology that is coming in.

1152
01:38:04,360 --> 01:38:07,720
Is this building going to be about to fit the new technology?

1153
01:38:09,080 --> 01:38:16,100
I've worked also with the sunizer here, as you know, sunizer is just across here.

1154
01:38:16,260 --> 01:38:23,280
It's in the old line. And sadly, those people are moving. They're moving south.

1155
01:38:25,440 --> 01:38:29,460
But those guys, what they do, they do some amazing stuff.

1156
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:36,680
okay for the wireless microphone and it's a one so and then when you see it though show what

1157
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:43,540
those guys do it's beyond what what you could ever think of so my thinking is yeah are we are

1158
01:38:43,540 --> 01:38:50,520
we just put it enough money but not enough that to make this thing put the old saybrook on on the map

1159
01:38:50,520 --> 01:38:56,600
and say hey guys wherever you are in the United States go there because those guys are very different

1160
01:38:56,600 --> 01:39:01,580
those guys have created something that is unbelievable, that you could never see anywhere else.

1161
01:39:03,200 --> 01:39:10,200
Me, what I look at is maybe this project is too small, and it's not, it's not what we need,

1162
01:39:10,620 --> 01:39:16,580
and maybe we need to find another place where we build something that is the 21st century in

1163
01:39:16,580 --> 01:39:23,260
beyond. Thank you. So I guess the question would be, are we going big enough with this project?

1164
01:39:23,260 --> 01:39:32,840
And also explain how this project is incorporating the latest technologies as things develop and how we're going to use those technologies to move it to the future.

1165
01:39:33,420 --> 01:39:35,900
Yeah, I think that's a, those are really great points.

1166
01:39:36,200 --> 01:39:47,600
I think taking one step back, the Kate is a community arts center in a historic building, a historic building that can't change,

1167
01:39:47,600 --> 01:39:49,960
because it's on the National Register of Historic Places.

1168
01:39:50,480 --> 01:39:54,520
So we're not even changing the theater itself in this.

1169
01:39:54,680 --> 01:39:57,460
We're changing pieces that surround the theater.

1170
01:39:57,740 --> 01:39:59,540
Restrooms in other space, et cetera.

1171
01:40:00,420 --> 01:40:01,860
Two-year question, sure.

1172
01:40:02,100 --> 01:40:04,100
It might be great to have a 500-seat theater,

1173
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:05,420
because we could bring in larger artists.

1174
01:40:05,680 --> 01:40:07,160
There's lots of versions of that,

1175
01:40:07,260 --> 01:40:12,320
but I think we were looking for the very right-sized version for this space.

1176
01:40:12,640 --> 01:40:14,100
I come from a technical background.

1177
01:40:14,340 --> 01:40:15,380
I love all the bells and whistles.

1178
01:40:15,560 --> 01:40:16,360
I love Cirque de Soleil.

1179
01:40:17,460 --> 01:40:21,060
But we're never going to have a video while on the back of our stage.

1180
01:40:21,360 --> 01:40:21,880
I don't think.

1181
01:40:22,100 --> 01:40:24,260
You know, we work with Sennheiser now.

1182
01:40:24,480 --> 01:40:25,520
They're a sponsor of the Kate.

1183
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:27,700
They're a microphone company for those who don't know.

1184
01:40:28,760 --> 01:40:32,600
We have really quality equipment when artists come to the Kate.

1185
01:40:33,220 --> 01:40:35,980
We frequently hear, especially if they haven't been to the Kate.

1186
01:40:36,080 --> 01:40:38,520
They're coming to a smaller room than they played the night before.

1187
01:40:38,700 --> 01:40:39,440
They get to us.

1188
01:40:39,520 --> 01:40:42,100
Oh my gosh, this room is so much nicer than the thousands of

1189
01:40:42,100 --> 01:40:47,300
and we were in the night before because we've invested so heavily in the technology that we have.

1190
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:49,160
That's been really important to us.

1191
01:40:49,680 --> 01:40:52,160
So I don't want to go on with that question for a long time.

1192
01:40:52,160 --> 01:40:59,040
I think we're creating the very right version for a historic building that is expanding to do more programming in this additional space.

1193
01:40:59,220 --> 01:41:05,000
The additional space does have its modest still but it does have some bells and whistles for flexibility.

1194
01:41:05,240 --> 01:41:10,640
The center room divides screens that come down. There will be surround sound in the upstairs space so we can do films.

1195
01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:18,740
those kinds of things, you and I could probably talk for days on that, but I think that's the best I can answer for that question.

1196
01:41:19,900 --> 01:41:26,320
Okay, I've seen a couple of repeat hands, and I do see you, and I will try to get to you after I've gone through the first time customers.

1197
01:41:27,160 --> 01:41:30,380
Okay, anybody who hasn't talked to anyone else to say something? Come on over your way.

1198
01:41:40,260 --> 01:41:44,480
I have so many thoughts that I don't even know where to begin.

1199
01:41:44,480 --> 01:41:51,700
But you said that you've been working on this plan for five years was the community involved in the planning.

1200
01:41:52,560 --> 01:41:59,320
Secondly, would it be possible for the town and the Kate to amend your lease agreement?

1201
01:41:59,580 --> 01:42:11,580
I would like to see it in writing that the town folks can use the new addition for ex-number of days for ex-number of times.

1202
01:42:12,180 --> 01:42:13,880
I would like to see it in writing.

1203
01:42:14,240 --> 01:42:17,540
I know that you're focused who's going to be the cake.

1204
01:42:18,340 --> 01:42:22,760
And that's going to come first, and you're sitting in that building, and that's what's

1205
01:42:22,760 --> 01:42:23,300
going to happen.

1206
01:42:23,780 --> 01:42:26,040
I don't feel comfortable with things happening that way.

1207
01:42:26,500 --> 01:42:31,220
I would like to see it in writing and amendment to the least, or an MOU, so that the towns

1208
01:42:31,220 --> 01:42:36,180
folks know that that new addition that we're paying for more than half of is going

1209
01:42:36,180 --> 01:42:38,760
to be, you can be used by the town folks.

1210
01:42:38,760 --> 01:42:41,820
I love the Kate, also I forgot to say that.

1211
01:42:42,260 --> 01:42:46,120
It's a gem, it's a jewel for our town, I really love it.

1212
01:42:46,260 --> 01:42:49,440
I'm just concerned, it's such a beautiful space,

1213
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:52,880
the cost per square foot is way too high

1214
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:55,040
for a performing arts center.

1215
01:42:55,940 --> 01:42:58,400
You have those, the windows are gorgeous,

1216
01:42:59,060 --> 01:43:00,060
they're hugely expensive.

1217
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:02,920
I just want to know have you done value engineering,

1218
01:43:03,660 --> 01:43:07,300
enough value engineering, could you have given us

1219
01:43:07,300 --> 01:43:14,860
choices and option, one design, over another design. I just feel like this is being pushed

1220
01:43:14,860 --> 01:43:22,160
on me a little bit too quickly and I just have too many questions about how things are

1221
01:43:22,160 --> 01:43:26,360
going to happen in the future. And I'm just going to, I hope you don't mind if I keep going.

1222
01:43:27,080 --> 01:43:33,980
And I thought that you're going to be increasing seats by 30, 35%. I'm assuming that number

1223
01:43:33,980 --> 01:43:39,880
is coming from the 90 new seats that you're adding on for the addition, but you don't know if it's

1224
01:43:39,880 --> 01:43:46,960
going to be apples to apples, you don't know if the number of seats in the case original performing

1225
01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:56,640
area are going to have, I mean, they fill up so quickly and you get sold out and you have shows

1226
01:43:56,640 --> 01:44:04,840
how many like 200 and 200, at least 200 days out of the year you have chose 416 events last year.

1227
01:44:05,220 --> 01:44:11,560
Okay, so then do you know that you're going to have 460 events in the new 90 seats space?

1228
01:44:12,000 --> 01:44:19,640
So you don't know that, so I don't like using the 35% increase in seats available.

1229
01:44:20,100 --> 01:44:25,180
And thus your economic impact is going to be that it's going to increase by the same amount.

1230
01:44:25,180 --> 01:44:33,480
I just really think that I feel like we need to have more information, and this is happening just too quickly, and I love you guys

1231
01:44:33,480 --> 01:44:43,700
but I just would like to know more and make sure that things were looked out, and who is going to be monitoring the budget?

1232
01:44:44,300 --> 01:44:50,420
Does the town just give you $6 million and assume that it's going to the general contractor?

1233
01:45:03,820 --> 01:45:24,120
So, I think the question is still, so the question seems to be what level of community input has there been in the five years leading up to this presentation and the comments seem to be on the lines of the projections might be a little bit rosy in our reconstrule that they are realistic enough and that we're not sort of, you know, just looking at rainbows and not looking at possible storms.

1234
01:45:26,800 --> 01:45:29,200
And so looking at writing about town use of the bill.

1235
01:45:29,200 --> 01:45:32,940
Sure, so I can touch on those quickly.

1236
01:45:33,320 --> 01:45:36,640
So in terms of the town input piece,

1237
01:45:37,500 --> 01:45:41,020
there have been, what's the order I'm looking for,

1238
01:45:41,120 --> 01:45:44,560
not workshops, but we have done feasibility studies.

1239
01:45:44,760 --> 01:45:47,140
We've done surveys for people who have wanted to participate.

1240
01:45:48,020 --> 01:45:50,620
You know, I have we reached every single person,

1241
01:45:51,100 --> 01:45:52,000
probably not.

1242
01:45:52,780 --> 01:45:55,500
You know, I, it's probably similar to the DPW Garage.

1243
01:45:56,240 --> 01:45:58,780
You know, they designed what they thought was best.

1244
01:45:58,780 --> 01:46:00,700
that's how we've treated this as well.

1245
01:46:00,980 --> 01:46:02,580
There was more glass, previously.

1246
01:46:02,940 --> 01:46:05,860
We've value engineered quite a lot in this space.

1247
01:46:07,420 --> 01:46:10,920
We want it to be modest, but we wanted to remain a show place.

1248
01:46:11,120 --> 01:46:12,560
That's 300 Main Street is now,

1249
01:46:12,640 --> 01:46:14,040
so that people coming from out of town

1250
01:46:14,040 --> 01:46:16,860
see old sabreck out their best when they're there.

1251
01:46:17,320 --> 01:46:18,480
What was the next piece of the question?

1252
01:46:20,800 --> 01:46:21,420
Town use.

1253
01:46:22,100 --> 01:46:23,580
I mean, that is a public document,

1254
01:46:23,820 --> 01:46:25,800
so you could have already looked at it.

1255
01:46:25,840 --> 01:46:28,400
I don't know what the next step for that would be.

1256
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:37,840
It exists, it has existed for two decades, and there is a hierarchy in terms of how that gets used and what was in the last piece.

1257
01:46:37,900 --> 01:46:39,220
I'm trying to remember, there's one more piece of the question.

1258
01:46:40,580 --> 01:46:43,600
Well, how comfortable you are with the opposite versus pastime.

1259
01:46:43,940 --> 01:46:50,160
Yeah, so the projection piece I could bore you with Excel's and calendars and how it would be used.

1260
01:46:50,360 --> 01:46:52,140
We have spent five years working on this.

1261
01:46:52,200 --> 01:46:58,080
We have a pretty good idea of how that space is going to function, what kinds of things will be in there.

1262
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:03,020
what things we're already doing that we would move from the larger theater to the smaller space

1263
01:47:03,020 --> 01:47:07,780
because it's more appropriate. What things we would we've tested, you know, we've done

1264
01:47:07,780 --> 01:47:11,140
paint nights and all sorts of different things, you know, so there might be one of those a month.

1265
01:47:11,200 --> 01:47:16,820
We have a really good outlook in terms of what can come to that space. I didn't present that whole piece

1266
01:47:16,820 --> 01:47:22,320
because that could be days worth of work. We've spent a lot of time on it. I certainly hear your question.

1267
01:47:22,860 --> 01:47:26,500
We, you know, could have a separate conversation offline about that, but we have put a lot of work into

1268
01:47:26,500 --> 01:47:34,560
that. Can I tell you what's exactly 35%? No, I can't. But could be higher. That's super

1269
01:47:34,560 --> 01:47:39,780
true. I think, you know, I've been running the Kate for the last 12 years. I'm probably

1270
01:47:39,780 --> 01:47:43,680
the person in the room best suited to at least make that projection and have done that

1271
01:47:43,680 --> 01:47:48,880
work. And that's what I'm doing. That's the best I can do on that. But the Kate has a proven

1272
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:53,440
track record when this came before the town 20 years ago. Nobody even knew what it was

1273
01:47:53,440 --> 01:47:57,260
going to do when I think it succeeded everybody's expectations in that way.

1274
01:47:57,560 --> 01:47:58,300
Thank you.

1275
01:48:05,380 --> 01:48:07,360
That was hold for the applause, Brett.

1276
01:48:08,460 --> 01:48:10,040
So I'm an old-savic native.

1277
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:11,460
Yep, true.

1278
01:48:11,780 --> 01:48:13,660
Born here, which is school here.

1279
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:15,700
Which is school where the town hall is.

1280
01:48:17,680 --> 01:48:23,640
I am one of the people that was in on the early planning of the building.

1281
01:48:24,300 --> 01:48:28,520
I didn't get invited to contribute walk-through plan.

1282
01:48:28,520 --> 01:48:33,420
No, I just, you know, this has been in the works a long time.

1283
01:48:35,060 --> 01:48:37,220
I have no skin in the game here.

1284
01:48:37,660 --> 01:48:38,900
Look at that beautiful building.

1285
01:48:40,420 --> 01:48:42,360
What if that was not on our town green?

1286
01:48:43,600 --> 01:48:45,280
The front of that building is historic.

1287
01:48:46,840 --> 01:48:47,920
That's our past.

1288
01:48:49,420 --> 01:48:52,940
The middle of us in our entry, this is where I stand at the front door

1289
01:48:52,940 --> 01:48:57,540
and greet patrons that come in and ask them if they've been here before.

1290
01:48:57,540 --> 01:49:01,200
And when they said they have in their first time, I said,

1291
01:49:01,320 --> 01:49:02,640
where the heck have you been?

1292
01:49:03,720 --> 01:49:04,560
Here should be here.

1293
01:49:04,740 --> 01:49:06,860
Everybody from Saber should have been here.

1294
01:49:07,800 --> 01:49:11,460
The back, the new part, is the future.

1295
01:49:14,260 --> 01:49:16,740
The windows overlook the beautiful green.

1296
01:49:17,400 --> 01:49:19,040
That's a historic green.

1297
01:49:20,420 --> 01:49:21,540
That's where we have our ceremonies.

1298
01:49:22,220 --> 01:49:23,640
That's where when you go out to the night,

1299
01:49:23,800 --> 01:49:25,500
they're laying the flags on the green.

1300
01:49:26,360 --> 01:49:27,040
It's beautiful.

1301
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:27,720
So this

1302
01:49:31,970 --> 01:49:39,870
is our town, we are proud of it, we have saved this old building that they tried

1303
01:49:39,870 --> 01:49:40,810
to take down.

1304
01:49:40,830 --> 01:49:45,890
Many of us had to vote a couple of times to say, yes, we want to save this building.

1305
01:49:46,790 --> 01:49:53,830
And we have saved this building, it is beautiful inside, it is alive, it is active.

1306
01:49:54,870 --> 01:50:00,130
For everything, whether you like the opera or you like comedy or whatever, there's something

1307
01:50:00,130 --> 01:50:01,670
is building for you.

1308
01:50:06,460 --> 01:50:15,400
Every Friday during the summer, the kids and they are future, have the most

1309
01:50:15,400 --> 01:50:23,600
magnificent time. I served in cookies and lemonade after their performance. They are joyful.

1310
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:33,140
They are our future. We hope, I hope AI doesn't take over everything. We hope that culture and

1311
01:50:33,140 --> 01:50:41,580
performing arts will continue and that's what we're doing this for for the future for our

1312
01:50:41,580 --> 01:50:48,460
kids and yes for us and for ukulele class and that addition and you want windows and

1313
01:50:48,460 --> 01:50:54,620
you want to just going there's been a lot put into this and there are a lot of other people

1314
01:50:54,620 --> 01:51:01,220
the other half of this project is coming from the people that believe in this that are trying

1315
01:51:01,220 --> 01:51:08,320
make this work and it's still going to be a town building. And if you don't understand the finances,

1316
01:51:09,620 --> 01:51:15,240
I could probably help explain that to you too. So, you know, there's a lot of parts to this.

1317
01:51:17,140 --> 01:51:22,900
There's a lot of choices for the town. It was interesting on the budget part of that,

1318
01:51:22,900 --> 01:51:29,460
a little part. It is, but there's been so much good planning for this town. So a lot to be proud of

1319
01:51:29,460 --> 01:51:36,320
of how this town runs, the people that come from everywhere across the country to

1320
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:41,180
show us here are just saying this is the magnificent place you have and we

1321
01:51:41,180 --> 01:51:45,260
have it and we want to preserve it and we want to carry it forward for whatever

1322
01:51:45,260 --> 01:51:49,020
responsibility we can carry it forward to. So, there we go.

1323
01:51:59,370 --> 01:52:03,270
Anybody else who doesn't have a chance to meet it? Okay, don't.

1324
01:52:05,190 --> 01:52:06,990
I'll be really, really quick.

1325
01:52:08,350 --> 01:52:13,210
There was a portion talking about how, you know, the local aspect of this and so forth.

1326
01:52:14,710 --> 01:52:20,270
The only thing I really want to point out is that the K is its own separate business.

1327
01:52:20,610 --> 01:52:23,530
You are your own nonprofit, you are your own organization.

1328
01:52:25,030 --> 01:52:29,190
The town just owns the building, said organization, business is in.

1329
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:36,660
There is nothing stopping the cake from ever relocating. They could most certainly go to a different

1330
01:52:36,660 --> 01:52:41,800
town. And I'm not saying you as people, I'm just the over, they could leave. And guess what?

1331
01:52:43,080 --> 01:52:49,340
It's, we have a beautiful, we'll be left with a beautiful theater in a historic building.

1332
01:52:49,660 --> 01:52:56,780
But that's it, the shell of one. So it's not like we are investing in the town with this bond.

1333
01:52:56,780 --> 01:53:04,040
We are investing in a private organization that ultimately, and I'm not saying you're going to do this,

1334
01:53:04,460 --> 01:53:09,000
but Black and White could close its doors and move on.

1335
01:53:09,360 --> 01:53:10,640
I mean, but that's really what it is.

1336
01:53:10,800 --> 01:53:17,800
We're not investing in, you know, our school infrastructures or, you know, town parks or land use department.

1337
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:24,220
This bond is for a private organization and that's all I have to say.

1338
01:53:24,220 --> 01:53:26,160
I still do love the kid.

1339
01:53:28,530 --> 01:53:30,190
Okay, coming back around.

1340
01:53:30,690 --> 01:53:31,850
Another comment over here.

1341
01:53:38,100 --> 01:53:38,860
Thank you.

1342
01:53:39,200 --> 01:53:40,380
I'll offer a full disclosure.

1343
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:41,880
I am on the Board of Trustees.

1344
01:53:42,160 --> 01:53:43,200
My name's Sandy Hart.

1345
01:53:43,980 --> 01:53:48,740
I've been a fan of the Kate since its beginnings.

1346
01:53:48,820 --> 01:53:50,640
I've been a fan of Catherine Hepburn.

1347
01:53:50,860 --> 01:53:52,500
Since I grew up in old line.

1348
01:53:53,100 --> 01:53:55,860
And spent many times in Old Sabre because well.

1349
01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:57,840
The Kate cannot leave.

1350
01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:05,900
And I would dispute that because the Kate is Catherine Hepburn and her paradise, and that

1351
01:54:05,900 --> 01:54:11,880
as right here, I'm 300 Main Street, and her legacy lives on because of it in the museum.

1352
01:54:12,320 --> 01:54:15,840
Please come if you haven't been, but no.

1353
01:54:16,340 --> 01:54:26,440
They will not leave, they will not go anywhere because they are tied to this place of Kate's paradise.

1354
01:54:26,440 --> 01:54:27,200
further

1355
01:54:34,140 --> 01:54:40,340
comments, okay? One more. We'll do one more if anyone else is anything new to say.

1356
01:54:40,520 --> 01:54:41,980
Or has it already have jammed?

1357
01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:52,500
We went through this over two decades ago when it is a town property that was going to be up for change.

1358
01:54:54,380 --> 01:54:58,520
And they were supposed to be this interaction with the towns people.

1359
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:06,760
And we were told, yes, you can utilize space once it gets done, yada yada, and then it came

1360
01:55:06,760 --> 01:55:15,260
up at a meeting that know that the taxpayers who were helping to get this initiative off

1361
01:55:15,260 --> 01:55:26,340
the ground would have to utilize the Catherine Theatre's ticket masters or their people renting

1362
01:55:26,340 --> 01:55:31,400
their rooms in order to have a celebration. So I just wanted to clarify because somebody said

1363
01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:39,020
something about a birthday party and this was brought up in the very beginning and hasn't

1364
01:55:39,020 --> 01:55:45,160
been utilized. It wasn't even mentioned it as a meeting room when we lost the pavilion for

1365
01:55:45,160 --> 01:55:45,760
a meeting.

1366
01:55:49,320 --> 01:55:57,220
Thank you. This is the same. Is there a rendering that shows the addition from the

1367
01:55:57,220 --> 01:56:02,980
straight straight on, so you could see the impact it has on the town hall in the green.

1368
01:56:04,360 --> 01:56:08,120
This would be, there is not a rendering that shows that.

1369
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:12,120
We do have another version that was the building height study.

1370
01:56:12,980 --> 01:56:18,880
The flat roof of that expansion portion is lower than the flat roof of each end of town hall

1371
01:56:18,880 --> 01:56:20,600
that helps to answer your question.

1372
01:56:21,060 --> 01:56:26,840
That was important to the conversation about what looked appropriate on the town green.

1373
01:56:26,840 --> 01:56:27,160
But

1374
01:56:30,900 --> 01:56:37,240
we're intending to ask how it affects the historic building

1375
01:56:37,240 --> 01:56:41,400
site line when you're looking at the historic building from the front.

1376
01:56:42,040 --> 01:56:47,780
Okay, that was a criteria with the State Historic Preservation Office that you cannot

1377
01:56:47,780 --> 01:56:52,360
alter your site line view of the historic building if you're adding on.

1378
01:56:52,720 --> 01:56:57,300
So we did pass that at the very least, they don't mind seeing the progression in time of

1379
01:56:57,300 --> 01:56:59,740
the additions, but they don't want anything hindering the front of the building.

1380
01:57:06,140 --> 01:57:07,140
Is

1381
01:57:10,150 --> 01:57:19,930
there a number has the town anticipated what the expense for meeting its lease agreement

1382
01:57:19,930 --> 01:57:25,570
to maintain the property or to provide utilities support?

1383
01:57:26,250 --> 01:57:33,850
How that number, what that number is going forward, that is how it increases in the budget,

1384
01:57:33,850 --> 01:57:38,490
What's the budget impact if that has been figured?

1385
01:57:42,140 --> 01:57:43,760
We haven't completed that, no.

1386
01:57:50,820 --> 01:57:54,000
So when the Kate put in the irrigation a few years ago,

1387
01:57:54,500 --> 01:57:57,900
so the Kate pays a small amount to the town every year,

1388
01:57:58,240 --> 01:58:03,380
every month, but it was 500, or yeah, it was,

1389
01:58:03,500 --> 01:58:04,780
they'll 500, yeah.

1390
01:58:05,220 --> 01:58:07,440
So it was $500 a month, 6,000 a year,

1391
01:58:07,580 --> 01:58:11,460
which we put into an off budget account in case

1392
01:58:11,460 --> 01:58:13,460
we needed it for repairs to the key.

1393
01:58:14,520 --> 01:58:16,520
They put an irrigation a few years ago,

1394
01:58:16,920 --> 01:58:20,180
and because the town pays the water in that

1395
01:58:20,180 --> 01:58:23,560
on the outside of the building, or the water bill for the key,

1396
01:58:24,420 --> 01:58:26,440
they said, hey, we want to contribute more.

1397
01:58:27,260 --> 01:58:30,120
So, Kate is now contributing 575 a month

1398
01:58:30,120 --> 01:58:31,840
to pay for the additional water usage.

1399
01:58:32,500 --> 01:58:35,800
So, I anticipate that if we get to a point

1400
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:39,440
where this passes and we move forward

1401
01:58:39,440 --> 01:58:45,460
with the construction that we'll talk about, you know, if there needs to be additional contribution

1402
01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:51,280
to offset expenses, but I don't anticipate any of that will be a problem.

1403
01:58:54,260 --> 01:58:59,240
Any last questions before I move through adjourn? Over here.

1404
01:59:09,290 --> 01:59:15,590
Hi. Is there a schematic that shows the actual feet coming away from the building,

1405
01:59:15,590 --> 01:59:24,950
heading towards the green so that we could actually go out and kind of get an idea of where

1406
01:59:24,950 --> 01:59:27,050
the footprint is of this built this addition.

1407
01:59:27,670 --> 01:59:34,890
There is, yes, it's roughly 20 because the sidewalk that goes from the main street to the

1408
01:59:34,890 --> 01:59:40,070
town green, it looks like it's straight, but it is not, it varies, I believe, from 18 to 22 feet

1409
01:59:40,070 --> 01:59:40,830
from the building.

1410
01:59:41,550 --> 01:59:44,450
That's off its top of my head, I would have to confirm that for you, but yes, I mean construction

1411
01:59:44,450 --> 01:59:51,830
drawings are well down the road. So that does exist. Where do we see that? Well,

1412
01:59:51,950 --> 01:59:55,810
yeah, I mean, the slide, but it doesn't have the measurement on it. I mean, you could

1413
01:59:55,810 --> 01:59:59,970
stop by the gate. We could find that answer out. But I don't have that.

1414
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,140
Directly in front of me, certainly have a very measurement in my head for this, but it is roughly 20 feet from that sidewalk to the building.

1415
02:00:10,160 --> 02:00:10,560
Okay.

1416
02:00:16,080 --> 02:00:23,360
Thank you, everyone. I just want to thank everybody for coming out tonight. These sorts of things don't happen as well without a lot of public inputs.

1417
02:00:23,500 --> 02:00:29,460
So thank you for coming out and listening. Tell your friends, tell your neighbors who couldn't be here tonight, what you learned tonight, what your concerns are.

1418
02:00:29,460 --> 02:00:36,280
And I will hereby move to adjourn the special town meeting and the above item shall be submitted

1419
02:00:36,280 --> 02:00:42,280
to a referendum vote on the voting tabulators on paper ballots by town electors and qualified

1420
02:00:42,280 --> 02:00:48,260
voters for approval or disapproval on Tuesday, September 29th between the hours of 12 p.m.

1421
02:00:48,260 --> 02:00:50,060
noon and 8 p.m.

1422
02:00:51,930 --> 02:00:52,350
On favor?

1423
02:00:54,250 --> 02:00:54,510
Very good.

1424
02:00:54,630 --> 02:00:55,090
Thank you.

1425
02:00:55,750 --> 02:00:56,050
Thank you.