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Good evening.
>> Good evening and welcome to the

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September 8th village council meeting.
Uh Marne, will you please call the role?

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» Council member Steve Freriedman
>> here.

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» Council member Deb Gillis
>> here.

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» Council member Anna Richards
>> here. Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney

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» here.
>> And Mayor Don Horton,

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» I'm here. Let's see. Rob Stober, will
you please lead us in the pledge of

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» allegiance?
Stand your heart, hand over

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to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it

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stands. One nation,
indivisible,

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and justice for all.
>> Thank you so much.

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Let's see.
Do we have any requests for deletions or

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emergency additions? Steve, we'll start
with you.

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» None for me,
>> Deb.

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» Yes. I'd like to pull tab one on the um
housing discussion. Uh I'd like to just

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see some more comparisons to the other
districts before we see that.

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» Council, y'all okay with pulling tab
one? Okay, very good. We'll pull that.

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» Thank you.
>> Um

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Anna,
>> nothing. Vice Mayor.

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» Okay. I I think we had an add-on to this
agenda

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from uh Chief Ael. So, why don't we put
him at K11, the last on the resolutions?

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Barney, you good with that?
>> Yes, sir.

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» Very good. Um
Ron, do you have any additions or

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emergency additions or deletions?
I have a couple items, but I'll bring it

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up during my report.
>> Okay. Very good, John.

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» Nope. Nothing from me.
>> Wonderful. Okay,

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moving on to reports and presentations.
Um,

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Captain Lzette, I think you're up. And
get the good stuff out of the way first.

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» Thank you, sir. Ma'am, good evening,
Mayor, members of the council, and

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members of our community. I'd like to
take a moment to introduce Sergeant

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Darnell Durham who has served our
community on night shift and will now be

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transitioning to dayshift.

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» Hello everybody.
>> Hello.

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» Um I know most of you here. Uh I'm glad
to be here and uh thank you for having

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me here. Uh of course I'm on dayshift
right across the street at the fire

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station. Um, I'm assuming uh I don't
know if you remember Greg, Greg Johnson,

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so I'm taking his spot and what he does.
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and my name is Darnell Durham. Um, I
know you're probably wondering what the

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sheriff calls me. I'll tell you that
special name.

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Everybody ready?
>> Darnell.

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[laughter]
Uh so I started uh in 1997 as a

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correction officer for the uh Florida
State Penitentiary

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uh up in uh off 40th Street. I don't
know if anybody knows where that is. So

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that's what I did when I was 19 years
old. I did that for about about eight

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years and I've seen people getting
stabbed, stuff like that. So I said,

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"You know what? I got to leave here."
And I put in to be a law enforcement

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officer.
And uh I put in five applications and of

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course the sheriff's office called me
for I told myself whoever calls me first

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that's where I'm going. So the sheriff's
office called me first and I uh I came

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to the sheriff's office. I got hired and
my first position was in uh all the way

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in Kajjo. So I to earn this position I
drove all the way from Homestead to

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Kudo.
>> Wow.

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» To do a 12-hour shift. I wanted to be uh
with the sheriff's office that bad. Uh

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so I put in my dedication uh to be here
and uh and I thank the sheriff very much

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for hiring me. Uh from there uh I went
up to district 7 road patrol. I worked

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there for about maybe five maybe five
years. Road patrolled there. And from

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there I went to the courts. I used to
work in the courthouse. I worked courts

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and that's how I know Rob Stober over
there. and uh Cheryl Cheryl Coberson,

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how are you? Uh so so I met a really
good people. Um I built some

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relationships there. Um I had a great
time in there. I learned a lot. Um that

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kind of developed me. Um and I always
had uh you know people skills. I wanted

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to always give back to my community. Um
so I just had a passion for that.

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from the courthouse. I did uh some civil
work and again Rob Sto and co uh Cheryl

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Coberson there. Uh I did some civil
work. I was doing the civil processing

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for the sheriff's office
and from there I became a detective with

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uh CIU. Um I did some detective work for
about five years and my supervisors and

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detectives might be present in the room.
uh Lieutenant Benadetti and Captain

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Quantero, they were my supervisors there
and they uh put a lot of work into me

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because uh of course I needed some work
and they took their time out to mold me

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to be that and kind of give me the
encouragement to move up in the

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department. Um so that's why I'm here
today and and of course I in 2023

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I got promoted to sergeant and that's
how I came to this uh beautiful city in

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Alam Marada. Um,
and I I'm having a blast. Um, and I'm

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here.
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» Thank you.
>> Thank you very much.

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» Oh, okay. All right. I I I had Hey, I
had a little more.

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» Hey, Darnell. Darn. Wait a minute.
Darnell.

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I've [laughter]
I've got I've got a really long uh

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presentation that I give got to give
tonight with a lot of where's you want

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to cover that for me tonight?
>> I can I can take it. I can take it. All

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right. [laughter]
>> Thank you. I told them write a short

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speech. Wow. [laughter]
It is also my distinct privilege tonight

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to introduce a key addition to our
district's leadership team. Joining us

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um as a critical supervisory role in our
is our new sergeant Willie Gara.

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Sergeant Gara comes to us with 12 years
of dedicated law enforcement experience

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um previously serving with the
distinction to of our um in our traffic

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division. Throughout his his career,
Sergeant Gara has demonstrated not only

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tactical excellence, but a profound
commitment to the principles of

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community oriented policing. As a
sergeant, he'll be responsible for

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leading our frontline deputies, ensuring
accountability, and most importantly as

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a direct point of contact of our for our
residents and our business owners. Uh

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please join me in offering a warm
welcome to Sergeant Cara.

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[applause]

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I'd like to say thank you CF. Thank you
um the board for having us and I'd like

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to say thank the community for giving us
a chance to speak. I'm Sergeant William

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Garrett. I've been employed since 2014.
I started at the age of 19. I did I

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began my career with the correction
facility down in Key West. Did five

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years there. I got transferred out to
road patrol where I also did five years

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on road patrol. Got promoted to uh the
traffic division and did two years there

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as the DUI unit and the aggressive unit.
And then I got the opportunity to

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promote and uh now become the night
supervision supervisor in Alam Marada.

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I'm also on the SWAT team and RDF and I
look forward to working with the board

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and the community as well. If you guys
need anything, you can always give us a

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call and we'll we'll be there so to
support you guys. Thank you very much.

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» Thank you very much. [applause]

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» Thank y'all both y'all all very much.
We're glad that you're on board with us.

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And Darnell, we're glad you're working
days now. I bet your family is too.

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Thank y'all so much.
>> That's exactly it. That's right.

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» All right. Let's see. Next, we've got
Dr. Steve coming up to give us a

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presentation. Uh we've been I've been
hoping that we could get you here for

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past couple of months. So, I'm glad
you're here to talk about the Everglades

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Foundation, the great work you're doing.
>> Thank you, Mr. Mayor, uh Vice Mayor,

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council members. Um it's been a while
since I've I've spoken before this body,

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but uh it it there's a lot to uh convey
and and I know that uh maybe Captain

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Canaro might might pull me back if I run
over time. I'll I'll try to to stick to

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the schedule here, but um we we've made
a lot of progress in Everglades

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restoration over the last 10 or 15
years. And and I know many of you recall

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the last seaggrass die off that we had
in Florida Bay in 2015. Uh we've been

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really touchandgo this year, but I'm
confident that the the the bay has been

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in a much better condition this year
even though we've been in a much more

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severe drought. Uh, and the reason why
the bay is in a much better condition is

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because we're seeing the benefits of
Everglades restoration infrastructure

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and more importantly the operations that
allow us to get more water into the park

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down into the bay. Uh, as many of you
know, Florida Bay is the estuary of the

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Everglades. Uh, as and as an estuary, it
requires fresh water from land mixing

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with ocean water from the Gulf and the
Atlantic. And if we don't have fresh

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water coming out of the Everglades, then
it's no longer an estuary and it can't

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function as one. And of course, the
recreational fishing, the habitats that

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many of the fish and shellfish depend
upon require that fresh water coming out

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of the Everglades. And we've seen that
this year. And so my message to you

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today is that not only is Everglades
restoration worth it, and that's a

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message we've been communicating for
years now, even most recently at an

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economic roundt at Angler House Marina
back in April, but that it's also

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working.

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So, I I I love this this image here. And
if you're a fan of National Geographic

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and some of the old illustrations, this
map really speaks to not only how the

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Everglades worked historically as a
massive river of grass that Marjgery

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Stman Douglas described from Lake
Okachchobee all the way down to the

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Florida Keys. So, that's an important
recipient of that freshwater. And of

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course, we changed that. We dissected
the Everglades. We disconnected it from

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Lake Okachchobee, its headwater supply.
You see that surplus water going east

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and west, those plumes of water
extending offshore. Very little water

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making it into the park. You see fires
and Everglades National Park there. And

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and those red arrows speak to saltwater
intrusion into the Everglades. And we

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also know our aquifer is at risk of
that. And when we have drought years,

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these problems are exacerbated. And most
recently, uh, this is an image that FWC

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took over Johnson Key Basin to the
northwest of here. After that seaggrass

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die off, the entire basin and many
others around it, 40,000 acres uh, were

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decimated by that seaggrass die off, and
it's taken the bay many years to recover

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from that. This is an image uh from Ed
Lipish up in the Stewart, Florida area

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showing that plume of water extending
from Lake Okachchobee offshore. This is

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a very unnatural connection that was
made to the lake and over time with the

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lake being polluted that has led to
impacts in that area. Uh I know some of

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you were around for the nowades campaign
in 2016. This was on the heels of

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seaggrass dio in Florida Bay and and
harmful discharges to the east and west

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coast. We had communities in crisis as a
result of that. Uh our organization, the

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Everglades Foundation, working in
partnership with fishing guides, with uh

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fishing apparel companies, the Orvis
Company, uh just down the street here,

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Sandy Morett, one of the leaders uh on
Everglades restoration. We worked

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together as a community, uh, Captain
Freriedman as well, working to push for

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a reservoir south of Lake Okachchobee,
uh, that we knew was necessary to

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reconnect the lake back to the south,
recognizing that water's polluted. We

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need to clean it. I'll talk briefly
about the technologies we have there,

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but this is really something that we did
not know was going to take place just 10

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years ago.
Yet we're seeing this reservoir come out

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of the ground now. Uh this is a four
plus billion dollar project led by the

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federal government, the US Army Corps of
Engineers working in partnership with

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the South Florida Water Management
District. This is an enormous project

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that will benefit Everglades National
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uh on that map on the right, that light
blue area and the small treatment

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wetland to the left of it, you could fit
Manhattan into that project footprint.

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It's enormous. Uh and this is the way
that we reconnect the heart of the

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ecosystem, Lake Okachchobee, back to the
body. Uh this project was recently

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accelerated for completion in 2029. uh
we were looking at a 2034 timeline, but

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now we're looking at 2029 to getting
this project ready for testing.

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Uh I talked about how we need to ensure
that water's clean. Uh we've in invested

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billions largely taxpayer funding in
treatment wetlands on the southern end

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of that Everglades agricultural area to
ensure that clean water is going south

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not just for our water supply but for
protection of the Everglades ultimately

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all the way down to Florida Bay. Uh
there's an important compliance testing

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that's now underway for the first year
of the expansion of this infrastructure

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that we call restoration strategies. So,
we're hopeful that we'll hit that water

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quality mark and in subsequent years,
but this is something that we're always

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mindful of that there may be a need for
more treatment south of Lake Okachchobee

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as we send more water south. Two massive
reservoirs have now been constructed to

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the east and the west of Lake
Okachchobee. The C43 along the Kusa

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Hatchee, the C44 along the St. Lucy.
These are critical to cutting down some

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of those discharges to the east and west
coast. But working in concert with that

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EA reservoir, we'll be able to see more
than 50% of those harmful discharges

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reduced and more of that clean water
flowing south again to the park under

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the bridges of Tammy Trail. Uh these are
projects that have been in the ground

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since 2012 2018 and we're now realizing
the operational benefits of being able

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to sheet flow water into Everglades
National Park under these bridges

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through Shark River Slooh, removing a
bottleneck that's existed for a hundred

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years now in this part of the system.
One thing you may not know about is that

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we've built underground walls along the
eastern boundary of Everglades National

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Park. These underground walls help to
reduce the leakage of water eastward

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into areas that used to be the
Everglades but are now developed. Uh so

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these underground walls are built and
designed to allow for aquafer recharge.

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We have water supply wells to the east
of these walls, but they protect

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communities more importantly as we're
putting more water into the Everglades

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and flowing it south again down to
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And of course, the goal is the finish
line. And it's getting that water into

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the park where it's free flowing, no
obstruction to flow through Everglades

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National Park down into the southwest
coast into Florida Bay where we know it

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will nourish our estuaries protecting
mangroves, seaggrasses and of course all

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the habitats that uh various species
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But it's again it's not just
infrastructure. Uh and I I I plant this

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as a seed to be mindful of that as we
build this infrastructure, we now need

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to begin the process of operational
planning. How are we going to operate

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this critical infrastructure uh from
Lake Okachchobee through the reservoir

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through that water quality treatment
infrastructure down through the central

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Everglades and then ultimately down into
Everglades National Park and the

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Everglades Foundation as an independent
science-based organization. This is our

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priority for the next three years to
ensure that this infrastructure is

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delivering delivering the maximum
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much as possible.
Uh and we're already seeing the benefits

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of Everglades restoration. Uh this next
slide will show you the uh uh conditions

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that we've experienced in Florida Bay
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been in a a two-year state of drought. I
don't know if you could advance that for

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me, please.
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Thank you.
Uh, we know that we've had reduced

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freshwater flows into Florida Bay over
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drought. there's not water to to go
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infrastructure and because of the
operational changes, we've seen more

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water flowing under Tamiami Trail this
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experienced a drought where there was
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multiple consecutive months. And despite
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uh so far we haven't seen that critical
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And I've just got a few data slides uh
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you have seen these drought maps. Uh we
we can compare 2015 to 2026. 2015 again

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when we had that die-off. Uh we have had
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than we did in 2015, which would suggest
dire conditions in Florida Bay. But the

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plot at right there speaks to the real
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water going into the bay, we've seen
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not reach that same peak that we saw in
2015 in the blue line. And this is not

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to say we're out of the woods yet, but
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more water going under those bridges of
Tammy Trail this year, we're seeing the

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benefits of Everglades restoration even
before that reservoir is built and new

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waters coming south.
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is just a reminder of the economics.
We're doing this because it it matters

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environmentally, but also it has
multiple touch points with our economy

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and you all know that in the Keys more
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recent studies that we've commissioned
and working in with con in concert with

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Earth Economics has shown that the
Everglades is a trillion dollar asset to

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the state of Florida. Uh it generates
upwards of $330 billion dollars each

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year to our clean water economy. Uh tens
of thousands of businesses that depend

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on clean water. And we also know it's a
smart investment. Uh years ago, we

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commissioned a study to show that for
every dollar invested in Everglades

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restoration, we get $4 in return. And
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it's in our water supply. uh not even
considering the valuable attributes of

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carbon sequestration, biodiversity, and
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the Everglades affords us. So, uh
kept [clears throat] to my promise of

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being brief. Uh I'm I'm happy to pause
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again, I thank you all for the
opportunity to report on this.

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» Thank you very much. Um Dr. Steve, I I
got to say that I went to the EAA with

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the the a lot of people from the
community. Uh Judy was there with me and

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and Rob was there. Uh and it it's just a
a phenomenal undertaking. The the

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technology and the engineering there is
is just unbelievable. And I I don't know

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if you're going to open it up to another
tour soon or or if you are. Uh I I'm

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sure that those of us that were there
while you were building those uh

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underwater dams and and starting the
construction there certainly like to see

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the condition of it now. It's it's just
a amazing project and uh we're really

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proud to to whatever we can do to help
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of the good that y'all are doing.
>> Well, thank you so much. It's a

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community effort and I think the more
people we can get out there, the more

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they'll understand the the scope of this
project and how something 80 miles away

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can benefit Florida Bay and the Florida
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» yeah, maybe we can change the name to
Forever Glades now. So, what what we're

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going to save that. That's awesome.
>> Sounds great.

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» Council.
>> Yeah, Steve.

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» Yeah, Steve. I I just want to thank you
um for helping educate us on Everglades

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Foundation and and why it's so important
to communities that are so far away from

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it that that really everybody in Florida
is touched by it where depending on

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where the where the water goes, but a
healthy Everglades is is going to be a

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healthy Florida. Um and your relentless
uh mission to educate people on that is

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is uh not lost on me and it's part of
the reason why I'm sitting here. Um I

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would also like to note that uh he gave
us so much information there so quickly

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that I think it's important to realize
that this is not in design phase. This

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is not in preliminary projects. This is
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going um and we're really trying to uh
get the funding to be able to advance

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some of these projects. And you
mentioned the uh reservoir that wasn't

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slated to start I think um really until
2020 but for the advocacy of uh

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fishermen scientists uh and communities
they were able to accelerate that one

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project. So that will hopefully be done
in time because right now um we are

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still in crisis of this drought that he
spoke about. Uh there's an article by

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vote uh water that says deep dive
Florida bay always one threat away from

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devastation
>> and can you just talk a little bit about

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what that means because the quote that I
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the wick has been lit. What does that
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to look at it is that um with the
construction of Tammy Trail in the 1920s

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cutting off Lake Okachchobee from the
rest of the system, it's really put

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especially Florida Bay in a perpetual
state of drought. Unless we have uh a

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big rainfall event like we did with
Hurricane Irma in 2017, it's almost

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always in some state of drought. Uh and
of course being on a knife's edge means

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that when we actually have a drought
historically it would tip over. We saw

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that as you may recall in the late 80s
early 90s and of course you recall 2015.

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Uh this year being a more severe drought
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call nearly 247 just keeping track of
salinity, temperature, dissolved oxygen

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levels. Uh but because of those inflows
that we've been able to get into the

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bay, it's helped to keep it at least for
now out of that condition. But um

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restoration really it this is the one of
the biggest beneficiaries of Everglades

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restoration, restoring flow through the
central Everglades, getting it down to

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this part of the system. Um yeah,
>> I also wanted to thank you for touching

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on the uh economics of it with the
trillion dollar um industry that it's

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creating. I think it's important because
there's a lot of misinformation that

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talks about um wanting to uh take land
for this and um and I don't think that

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there is that's really accurate. I think
that uh there is a cohesive plan here

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for all of the stakeholders from
agriculture to uh fishermen to uh

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hunters and uh I appreciate you talking
about that because I I don't think that

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can be overstated. And I guess I just
want to end with you know what can we do

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uh as a municipality to um help this
help ensure that this continues? Well, I

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I'll commit to updates as frequently as
this council would like. Um, but I think

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just staying involved, staying engaged.
These operational planning processes are

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really where those benefits are going to
be realized and there are going to be

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efforts to curtail that to some extent.
There are uh other interests that would

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like to have that water for themselves.
Uh, we want it for the Everglades. We

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want it for the 9 million people that
reside in South Florida and of course

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all the environmental uh habitats around
it. So, we're going to be working

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steadfastly to ensure that those
benefits are realized all the way down

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to Florida Bay. So, I think staying
engaged um and regular updating will

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will be the the the best.
>> We you've got an open door for us. Just

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whenever whenever you've got something
or want to bring us an update, u don't

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hesitate. just call Ron, get on the
schedule, and let's let's have you talk

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to us because this is a big deal. We're
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» Great. Well, thank you,
>> Deb.

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» Yeah, I just had a short comment. Steve
and I have known each other for several

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years now. [clears throat]
Uh, and your organization has done a

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great job in helping educate the public
where we are and where we need to go.

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And I just want to thank you again for
this. And you're always welcomed at this

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podium.
>> Thank you.

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All right, good deal.
>> Thanks a lot, Doc.

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» On to the next. Let's see. We've got a
proclamation,

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[clears throat]

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an official statement. Whereas diapers
and other basic necessities are

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essential to keeping babies and young
children clean, dry, healthy, and able

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to participate in child care in our
early learning settings. And whereas the

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National Diaper Bank Network, Diaper
Check 2026 found that 40% of the US

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households with children under four in
diapers experienced diaper insecurity,

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including 62% of lowincome households.
And whereas diapers insecurity affects

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families economic stability, caregivers
who reported missing work because they

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lack diapers needed for children missing
an average of 5.3 work days in the prior

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30 days and families experiencing
diapers in security reported sacrificing

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other necessities including food and
housing payments to afford diapers. And

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whereas in Monunroe County alone, an
estimated one in four children under the

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age of three experience diaper
insecurity. And whereas Miami Diaper

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Bank, a member of the National Diaper
Bank Network, supports the Florida Keys

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Healthy Start Coalition that helps fill
a critical gap in human services for

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vulnerable children and families. And
whereas the National Diaper Need a

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Awareness Week established by the
National Diaper Bank Network and

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observed on September 14th through the
20th, 2026

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provides an opportunity for residents,
businesses, civic organizations, and

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public officials to learn about diaper
diaper insecurity and take practical

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action through advocacy, diaper drives,
donations, volunteer service, referrals,

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and community partnerships.
And whereas Alamrada is proud to be home

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to trusted community-based
organizations, including the Florida

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Keys Healthy Start Coalition that
recognize the importance of diaper in

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ensuring health and providing economic
stability for families and thus

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distribute diapers to families through
various channels. And whereas through

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our important work of addressing diaper
needs, the Healthy

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Start Coalition and Diaper Banks play a
critical role in supporting families,

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improving infant health and well-being,
and advancing our local and state

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economic growth. Now therefore, I, Don
Horton, mayor of Alamra Village of

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Islands, do hereby proclaim September
14th through the 20th, 2026 as NA

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National Diaper Need a Awareness Week.
Alamada Village of Islands thanks the

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aforementioned Florida Keys Healthy
Start Coalition, their staff, partners,

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volunteers, and donors for their
courageous service and encouraging

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residences, businesses, notfor-profit
organizations, health and social service

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providers, and public agencies of
Alamada Village of Islands to donate

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generously to the Florida Keys Healthy
Stark Coalition, host diaper drives, and

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support those organizations that collect
and distribute diapers. ers to families

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struggling with diaper needs so that all
of village of island children and

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families can thrive and reach their full
potential with health, dignity, and

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economic stability. I witness thereof my
set unto my hand to cause the official

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seal of Alamrada village of Islands to
be affixed on this 8th day of September

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26.
>> Thank you.

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Thank you, village of Isa Marada, for
recognizing diaper need awareness week

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and helping bring attention to everyday
needs of Keys families. The coalition

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distributes anywhere between 80,000 and
100,000 diapers every year to the

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community. Um, so we'd like to help you
join us for our annual diaper drive that

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we host in February. This September,
we'd also like everyone to be a safety

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hero in recognition of National Safety
Month to ensure local families have

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access to essential items such as car
seats and safe baby beds. We are so

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grateful for your continued partnership
and support in our endeavors. Thank you.

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» Very good. Thank you very much.
>> Thank you.

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All right. And now we've got an update
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uh FKA transmission line replacement.
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» Welcome.
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challenging aspect of this project.

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» All right, skip past the project team,
but it's remained the same since the

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beginning. Um the main update here is
that we are getting to the paving and

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that is scheduled to be start on um
September 14th and that'll be Sunday

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night and the paving will be uh
continuing Sunday night through Thursday

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night um for however many weeks they
need to get it complete. Um and then

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work is work is paused for FDOT blackout
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September, we don't have any blackout
dates. And then um if the paving

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depending on when we get to the end of
this month and into next month in

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October, we'll update based on the
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into Halloween or Fantasy Fest.

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Um this is the traffic control plan.
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into the paving, we're going to start
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area and then the pavers are going to
move north going with the flow of

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traffic. Um, you'll still have one
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uh from the way station all the way up
until Woods. We'll be doing the same

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thing where at night we'll be shifting
cars over into the center lane, rolling

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lane shift as they go through and do the
restoration. Once we get up to Woods

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00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:25,040
Avenue, the contractors indicated that
um as of right now, they're going to

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have the two southbound lanes open all
the time and then they'll have one lane

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00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:34,640
on the northbound section closed uh at
each time as they do the outside and the

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center lane. Um I still think there's a
possibility we may have some times where

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they have to do the full lane shifts.
We'll update you as we get closer to

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that. Um but just be aware that there is
a chance that could happen.

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um access to businesses will always
remain open

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and

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so we're still in that that step 10
completing the the final cleanup of the

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project. We've done most of the
restoration and there just to add on

418
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,640
there are a few areas where you might
see the crews doing some additional work

419
00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:11,599
um off the side of the road. So, if you
see some signs, like always, um, use

420
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:16,456
caution and, you know, slow down because
a lot of those are neighbors, friends,

421
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and people who live here.
[snorts] Any questions,

422
00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:25,280
council?
Nope. All right. Thank you very much.

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» Thank you.
>> All right. We'll move on to citizens

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advisory committee reports and
appointments. We don't have any

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appointments, I don't think. But, um, do
we have Carolyn Whiteitman on Zoom?

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00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:42,960
I am here.
>> Hello Carolyn.

427
00:38:40,240 --> 00:38:47,000
» Hey there. Let me make sure I don't have
double volume here.

428
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:57,440
Okay. Is that our Whoops. Whoops. Sorry,
I'm on twice. Hold on one second.

429
00:38:54,880 --> 00:39:03,839
Hang on.
Remote technology is wonderful.

430
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:09,040
Okay. Well, I'm happy to report on
behalf of the citizens advisory group

431
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:14,640
from parks and rec committee and I'm
honored to say that um both Rich Russell

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00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:20,000
and I have been appointed or elected to
continue on as the chairperson and the

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00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:29,040
co-chair. Um we have two new members
from our our um our um committee. One of

434
00:39:25,839 --> 00:39:34,960
them is Scott Ghost and Scott was with
the Coast Guard here in Alam Marada for

435
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:39,280
about three years until 2021. And he
told his stories saying that he was

436
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:44,400
looking forward to going back to North
Carolina and found that they loved the

437
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:49,520
community so much that they stayed. He
is currently the executive director of

438
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:54,240
Habitat for Humanity and his family is
very engaged in the community. So he is

439
00:39:52,160 --> 00:40:00,400
a new member of the parks and wreck
committee along with Cindy Smith who uh

440
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:05,760
lived in Keargo for 20ome years but
moved to Island Marada and um so she is

441
00:40:03,839 --> 00:40:10,160
now very active in all the park
activities and does a lot of

442
00:40:07,599 --> 00:40:14,880
photography. I'm also happy to say we
have a third applicant that could be

443
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:20,640
available for this committee that I
think also will be excellent. um he is

444
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:25,200
married to a longtime family here and
will be available. So in the event that

445
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:29,839
another opening comes up I think we have
a very strong and very um committed

446
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:35,119
committee.
So, at our meeting, which was just last

447
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:40,720
week, um we did get a report from the
manager, and part of that was a report

448
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:47,359
on the baseball agreement, which I'm
guessing that report will probably be

449
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:51,280
more completely done later during this
during this time, but I believe that the

450
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:57,280
rest [clears throat] of the agreements
have now been signed. So the baseball

451
00:40:53,440 --> 00:41:02,560
park is on the way and and is scheduled
to be available for the coming baseball

452
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:09,359
season. So that's really positive for us
all. Um there are two events or two

453
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:16,240
activities that the parks and rec
committee is involved in in looking at

454
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:23,280
with the budget relating to um relating
to the council. And one of those is that

455
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:31,200
um the the commitment to continuing to
have the events of Beats on the Bay and

456
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:38,400
some of these other um sort of um you
know inspiring events that go on with us

457
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:42,079
in the village and that the connections
those are our connections to our

458
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:46,640
community. So that's one of the
commitments that the council or I mean

459
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:51,520
that the uh committee is very supportive
of. The other one includes a discussion

460
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:57,760
of the history and records wall at the
pool. And for anyone of you who don't

461
00:41:54,880 --> 00:42:04,079
know about that, um I just like to do a
quick aside on budget. Uh the council, I

462
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:08,000
mean the committee voted unanimously to
continue that project. There's always

463
00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:15,520
the question of budgeting, but I'd like
to just do a quick aside, and that is

464
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:22,560
that the the the village of Isa Marada's
budget as a whole, the big budget also

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00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:28,240
includes a section which supports the
park and that is not designed to be a

466
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:32,240
revenue producing part of the of the
budget. It is just part of the

467
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:37,760
commitment of the village to maintain
the park. However, on the side of the

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00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:44,319
park, what you may remember from the
past couple of years is there have been

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00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:50,000
continuing efforts to um by the staff to
make sure that there is revenue coming

470
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:54,800
in for the use of the park, which
includes some of the admissions from out

471
00:42:51,920 --> 00:43:02,000
of town people and and the park fees for
the pool and so on. So um it's the sense

472
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:09,760
of the committee that that the village
um wants budget but that the park is

473
00:43:05,839 --> 00:43:16,160
supporting the the overall objective and
bringing in some additional revenue. So

474
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:22,160
um that's what's behind desiring to have
those continued um activities. Um there

475
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:27,440
are some Earth Day events that are um
there's an Earth Day event that's

476
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:32,800
scheduled coming up on April 16th. Um
one of the questions that came up was

477
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:38,640
relating to staff and the lifeguards and
um that's an ongoing issue that staff is

478
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:43,280
doing a really strong job of recruiting
lifeguards so that there is full

479
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:49,599
utilization of our pool facilities.
That's an ongoing issue. Um, and then in

480
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:55,359
the master plan, there are several
things that have been pointed to that

481
00:43:52,000 --> 00:44:02,960
relate to parks and wreck. And these are
all moving forward. Um, one of those has

482
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:09,839
to do with the beach um, bathrooms and
some of the fencing areas. Um, updating

483
00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:14,960
or or upscaling the the golf driving
area that might include putting. Um,

484
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:22,880
some things about the storage bins. One
of our community members made a request

485
00:44:17,119 --> 00:44:28,480
to uh look at at um shade on the um the
kids playground area on the far side of

486
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:34,960
the beach and staff is working on those
things. Um coming event quickly is uh

487
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:39,920
the trunk retreat that will be on the
24th of October which is a week before

488
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:46,800
Halloween. Um but that's always a great
fun event. And then the last part is

489
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:53,359
relates to the lighthouse and um the
lighthouse gala which will be November

490
00:44:49,839 --> 00:45:01,119
14th has requested been permitted for
and given permission to have their gala

491
00:44:57,040 --> 00:45:05,839
on the on the um property of the park on
the night of November 14th. This fits

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00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:09,200
into all of the guidelines. It's a local
event.

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00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:14,400
um all of the guidelines that we have on
hosting those events fit. So they will

494
00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:19,920
be coming here on the 14th of November.
And that brings up to us then just a

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00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:26,079
reminder of this weekend. And this
weekend is the I don't know is this the

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00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:31,839
12th or the 13th 14th? I don't have the
right numbers. Um the annual swim for

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00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:37,680
Alligator Lighthouse which is a
stunningly impressive event. And if any

498
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:43,520
of you are inclined to just come and be
a part of it, this is an event that

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00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:48,480
celebrates it is the swim for alligator
lighthouse, but it's to Alligator

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00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:53,280
Lighthouse. It's an 8 mile swim to and
from the lighthouse. There are I didn't

501
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:59,920
get the current numbers, but I'm
ballparking from the past. There are

502
00:45:55,760 --> 00:46:05,599
over 300 swimmers. Some do it solo, some
do it as a team, and some do it with

503
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:11,520
four. All of them are supported by a
kayak. So, if you can imagine the

504
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:17,760
beaches surrounded by a couple of
hundred kayaks that are there to support

505
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:23,680
the beginning and the completion of this
race, which will be this coming

506
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:29,359
Saturday, and it's at Amor.
And um hopefully the weather will be

507
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:34,800
great. And it's an event that brings in
to my recollection last year I think

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00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:42,400
there were people from five countries
from like 38 states. This is one of the

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00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:51,520
most highly celebrated open water events
in the world and we are hosting that to

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00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:56,400
celebrate the um the the protection and
the and the sustaining of alligator

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00:46:53,440 --> 00:47:02,160
lighthouse. So, um, I think that's a
quickie on my report. If there are any

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00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:06,240
questions, I'm available. And, uh, thank
you, Mr. Mayor.

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00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:11,599
» Thank you so much, Carolyn. Council, any
questions of Carolyn tonight? Nope.

514
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:17,680
Carolyn, thanks so so much. And, uh,
thanks for talking about the uh, uh,

515
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:22,079
Lighthouse Gala and the the the
Lighthouse Swim. That's a a big deal

516
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:26,880
coming up this weekend. So, everybody
should pay attention to that.

517
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:31,680
» All we have to do is look behind you and
the seal of the village has the

518
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:35,920
lighthouse as the center of our seal.
So, it's important for all of us as a

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00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:42,160
community. So, thank you.
>> Thank you, Carolyn. All right,

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00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:45,920
moving on to mayor and council
communications. Steve, you got anything

521
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:49,200
for us tonight?
>> Nope.

522
00:47:46,560 --> 00:47:52,800
» All right, Deb. Anna
>> Sharon.

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00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:56,000
» All right, moving on to village
attorney.

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00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,119
John, you have anything for us?
>> I will join the no party.

525
00:47:57,359 --> 00:48:02,160
» Well, how about that,
>> Ron? I'm sure you do. How about you?

526
00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:05,040
» I have a couple things.
>> Good deal.

527
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:09,119
» Uh, one to continue on with the chair's
report. Uh, we are working with the

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00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:13,520
school district on the ball field. Uh,
we received their site p plan and also

529
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:17,280
drainage plan and approved them. And so,
we issued permits for them to proceed. I

530
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,920
saw today there's a fencing company out
there. So, we're going to be proceeding

531
00:48:18,720 --> 00:48:25,040
with the field, the fence, and the
dugouts. Uh we're in daily communication

532
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:28,640
with Keystar, their contractor, and our
staff and planning and building are both

533
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:31,520
working with them to make sure we
expedite it. And so, at this point, we

534
00:48:30,319 --> 00:48:35,680
don't see any reason why it's going to
be delayed and hopefully be finished

535
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:39,359
before season starts. We're trying to
schedule a groundbreaking in the next

536
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:42,400
week or so. We'll coordinate with y'all
schedules to see uh once they start

537
00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:46,640
getting equipment out there and all just
to have like an official kickoff for it.

538
00:48:44,720 --> 00:48:50,319
Uh but seems like everything's on track.
Uh so that's the ball field. Any

539
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:56,160
questions on the ball field?
>> Who do you have uh u as far as being the

540
00:48:54,000 --> 00:49:01,359
liaison for the work that's going to
take place in on the village staff?

541
00:48:58,559 --> 00:49:05,680
» Sheila Denort has been the one almost in
daily contact. So every day Sheila and I

542
00:49:03,280 --> 00:49:10,079
meet uh she reports me whatever she's
been discussing with Keystar. And also

543
00:49:08,160 --> 00:49:14,400
as as I think I've told you they they
did select the turf vendor. It is called

544
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:17,440
Astro Turf. It's not the old Astro Turf.
that's the name of the company and so

545
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:21,680
they have been officially picked as the
vendor. So we're also coordinating with

546
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:24,079
uh them to make sure maintenance that we
get proper training of how

547
00:49:23,254 --> 00:49:26,880
[clears throat] the field is going to be
maintained that we're not going to be

548
00:49:25,200 --> 00:49:29,760
maintaining but we want to find out uh
what's involved on it. So we're look

549
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:34,400
I've had question about the cost of
maintenance and we're getting those

550
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:39,119
issues resolved but we are in almost
daily communication with them.

551
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:44,480
» And the uh u school board have they
assigned a project manager to that? Uh I

552
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:49,200
well they relied on Keyar obviously uh
as you all know I think I part last

553
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:51,920
meeting uh Captain Lefir retired who was
the main lays on but they did not

554
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:55,119
replace him they split his
responsibilities and so when I asked who

555
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:59,680
was in charge of the school district
they said Ed Tierney the superintendent

556
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:02,640
so uh he and I have been in touch every
week and so he'll be our point of

557
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:06,480
contact over there.
>> Good deal. Thank you.

558
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:11,119
» Uh so that was the ball field. Any other
things on the ball field? Couple other

559
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:15,280
issues. Uh there was some interest uh as
you know we we have a jewel not just

560
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:19,680
founder spark but also the green turtle
hammock and we did a great job over

561
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:23,520
there. We built a pavilion that has
attracted some interest. I did get some

562
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:26,880
inquiries about having weddings there.
Uh after we discussed this with staff

563
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:33,280
and and talked about some issues with
parking and security and alcohol. Uh we

564
00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:36,960
uh I decided from our perspective with
staff that we were not going to have

565
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:42,160
weddings there. Uh but since you're all
the ultimate policy uh deciders, if you

566
00:50:39,839 --> 00:50:46,640
want to decide otherwise, I asked for
direction, but unless otherwise

567
00:50:43,839 --> 00:50:50,400
directed, uh my decision was to not have
weddings at Grand Turtle just because of

568
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:53,680
the issues. It's not really set up for
that, particularly with the parking. Uh

569
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:57,680
people would would have had to park
across the street and walk across. We

570
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:01,599
just thought the potential liability,
etc. was not worth the several hundred

571
00:50:59,680 --> 00:51:05,920
dollars we might collect. And so, uh
from a staffer's decision was to not

572
00:51:04,319 --> 00:51:09,760
proceed with weddings. But I did I know
there's some community input on it. So I

573
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:12,559
didn't want to just arbitrarily say that
without bringing it to your attention

574
00:51:10,800 --> 00:51:15,920
and see if there's any interest in doing
otherwise. If not, we'll just keep that

575
00:51:14,160 --> 00:51:21,280
as our policy.
>> Do you have any written policies and

576
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:23,520
procedures whatsoever for that use of
that area?

577
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,000
» We had a rental agreement that we're
going to make it we're going to make it

578
00:51:24,480 --> 00:51:29,760
more specific that weddings are not
allowed. Uh we are open to having you

579
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:33,680
like a birthday part, small things, a
birthday party, something like that. Uh

580
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:38,240
but the weddings just had too many
issues that were out of our control and

581
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:41,440
we just don't want we didn't think it
was worth and also you know we don't

582
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:44,960
want to really be directly competing
with small businesses in town that also

583
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:49,040
had wedding venues and we got some
feedback about we were undercutting them

584
00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:54,640
and our prices etc. We just didn't think
it was worth the the ask.

585
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:57,359
» So are you planning on limiting it to a
certain number of people? Is that where

586
00:51:56,720 --> 00:51:59,760
you're
>> Okay.

587
00:51:58,319 --> 00:52:03,119
» All right. because we had issues about
question about security, you know, and

588
00:52:01,359 --> 00:52:08,800
and whether alcohol should be there or
not. So, I I think that caused us to

589
00:52:05,200 --> 00:52:12,160
have take more attention to the details
and we're we have a rental agreement.

590
00:52:10,319 --> 00:52:14,960
We're going to have a policy. Uh but we
wanted to make sure before we got too

591
00:52:13,200 --> 00:52:18,960
far that unless council had, you know,
other ideas that that we wanted to kind

592
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:22,800
of restrict it and that not that's not
the main purpose of the of the hammock.

593
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:26,319
It was to do ed environmental education,
etc., which we Florida Bay Forever and

594
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:29,839
other groups have done a good job on.
want to continue that, but we were

595
00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:33,680
opening it up to having some private
events there to generate some revenue.

596
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:37,920
But I think the particularly the wedding
situation just had too many issues that

597
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:40,160
we didn't think were a good thing to
deal with.

598
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:45,920
» All right.
>> Um, yeah, I I don't think that it's our

599
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:51,359
job to be in competition with our small
businesses in town. So, we need to be

600
00:52:47,680 --> 00:52:56,800
careful with that. Um, small very small
things is fine. even you may think

601
00:52:54,559 --> 00:53:02,960
through that there may be retirement
parties and all sorts of things that you

602
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:10,040
may not want to put in that group also.
Um but I I don't want us to be in

603
00:53:05,839 --> 00:53:10,040
competition with our small businesses.

604
00:53:11,359 --> 00:53:17,760
» Anyone else?
>> Uh one other item. Uh we have a we've

605
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:21,359
been in discussion with the the
consultants that you authorize us go

606
00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:25,520
ahead with on the boat ramp at the
marina. Uh we have had discussions with

607
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:29,599
the our consultant also with private
citizens that have an interest in it. Uh

608
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:34,640
we have thanks to the efforts of Vice
Mayor Mahoney a dedicated $750,000 from

609
00:53:32,319 --> 00:53:38,640
the TDC. Uh I know that you know
Councilman Gillis is on the DAC 4. So we

610
00:53:37,359 --> 00:53:43,599
have some really good connections with
the TDC. Uh but the 750 is not

611
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:48,160
guaranteed. we have to actually have a
plan of action and and and move forward

612
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:52,800
with something. And we've also been told
uh I've direct conversations with Cara

613
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:57,119
Franker, the head of TDC, that 750 is
not the the limit that we can come back,

614
00:53:55,040 --> 00:54:01,280
but first we have to make some progress.
And so one thing we're looking at is

615
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:05,040
money and time. Uh we have to think the
money to proceed with a replacement of

616
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:08,960
the existing single ramp. That that's
that's a no-brainer. They can do it

617
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:12,720
offsite and then come in and demolish
the existing one and then immediately

618
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:16,079
replace it. that doesn't take a lot of
time. If you expand it to a double ramp,

619
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:19,119
that is going to be more expensive and
more timeconuming because there you have

620
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:22,960
to remove that finger that has the
mangroves on it, etc., and there's more

621
00:54:20,559 --> 00:54:25,839
permitting issues, etc. So, we're still
looking at the timing and the cost. We

622
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:30,480
have the cost down pretty well for a
single ramp. The double ramp, uh, it's

623
00:54:28,720 --> 00:54:34,720
more complicated and we probably
couldn't do it for the 750, but other

624
00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:38,480
not need to do it like right away. maybe
phase it, but at this point the the

625
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:42,400
direction from the council has been to
move forward and we have in the budget,

626
00:54:39,839 --> 00:54:46,720
as you'll be hearing Thursday, uh the
750 that TDC has committed uh for that,

627
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:50,559
but nothing else from the village. And
so once again, we know we we're pretty

628
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:54,880
confident we can replace the existing
ramp and do some other improvements. Uh

629
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:58,559
if you go to the double ramp, uh we
would have to get come back with more

630
00:54:56,240 --> 00:55:01,680
estimates and and probably that would
exceed it and we'd probably have to go

631
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:04,880
back to TDC again. So once again,
timing, but I I know there's been

632
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:09,359
discussions at least in the community
about single versus double ramp and the

633
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:12,960
need for it, etc. At this point, I don't
think a decision has been made at least

634
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:16,800
at the council level. But we want to
kind of keep getting information in and

635
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:21,760
then we'll report back to council. I've
asked Lisa, our random manager, to start

636
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:25,440
keeping a monthly report, which I'm make
available to all of you. It it tells us

637
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:28,240
how many people have used the ramp and
importantly how many are residents

638
00:55:26,800 --> 00:55:32,480
versus non-residents because I think in
order to justify the TDC dollars, you've

639
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:35,760
got to make sure it is not just for
residents. It's as as as Councilman

640
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:40,079
Gillis has pointed out before, we always
have to make sure that we're clear that

641
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:43,599
this is for not just residents, that
tourists are using it. And so I think

642
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:46,800
those numbers are good too to establish
the demand for it. We've had some

643
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:51,040
interest in maybe having a ship store
there, uh redoing the fuel pumps, etc.

644
00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:55,440
So there's a lot of good things I think
to do with it. Uh we're also taking a

645
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:59,119
more active uh role from the villages
standpoint. The marina was always kind

646
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:03,119
of considered a standalone as you know
we are now going to be charging them

647
00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:06,799
rent because we've been subsidizing in
some ways the marina and we have the

648
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:11,839
potential to have a really nice project
over there. But uh you know you have to

649
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:15,599
be concerned about time and expense of
the ramp situation. There's not a

650
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:20,079
question it needs to be replaced. That
current ramp is in bad shape. The angles

651
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:24,000
are wrong etc. And I know Captain Steve
is uh you has used it himself and so he

652
00:56:22,799 --> 00:56:27,040
can probably speak to some of the
concerns, but I I do think eventually

653
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:30,160
we're going to have to make a decision
at the council level, you know, how big

654
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:33,359
the ramp's going to be, etc., and how
much we want to spend on it. But at this

655
00:56:31,359 --> 00:56:37,760
point, I feel confident. The the single
ramp is definitely there. The double

656
00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:41,440
ramp is certainly a a good possibility,
but once again, I think we need to be

657
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:45,119
looking at the cost of it and the time.
If you want to do it at one time, it's

658
00:56:43,359 --> 00:56:48,640
going to be closed for a while. If you
want to do it in phases, you could

659
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:51,599
probably switch back and forth. And I
just want to see if there's anybody had

660
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:56,559
any thing to add to that. I had one
final issue before I get to to that.

661
00:56:54,720 --> 00:57:00,559
» Steve,
um, yeah, I I'm glad that you pointed

662
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:03,359
out that you're starting to gather data.
I think we need that before we can make

663
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:07,839
any sort of decision in terms of
doubling the size or or an additional

664
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:12,160
ramp. Well, I like the idea of of
thinking into the future where where we

665
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:17,440
might have that demand. we need to have
at least a base in terms of uh the

666
00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:22,000
amount of use and then um is any of that
current TDC money uh can that be applied

667
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:25,680
to uh parking situation?
>> They my understanding is it cannot be

668
00:57:23,839 --> 00:57:29,599
used for parking but it could be used
for other things uh you like the fuel

669
00:57:27,359 --> 00:57:33,119
pumps etc. But apparently parking would
not be and we have an expert uh who's

670
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:36,640
been with TDC for a while but I've been
told that the parking could not be part

671
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:39,760
of the 750 at least it's not really
capital the type of capital project that

672
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:44,960
would be eligible for this type of
funding. Um, yes,

673
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:48,640
» I I've been talking to them a little bit
about that and they're still working on

674
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:53,599
the details. The money is secured for
Islam Marada. We will clarify that the

675
00:57:51,599 --> 00:57:58,880
money is secured for Marada, but the the
the

676
00:57:55,200 --> 00:58:02,400
devil's in the details. Um, I they
didn't tell me it wouldn't be used

677
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:08,960
couldn't be used for parking. they were
going to try to word it for uh other

678
00:58:05,839 --> 00:58:12,720
things besides ramp that it would be
park improvements.

679
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:17,440
Um
but it's all in us presenting what we

680
00:58:15,520 --> 00:58:22,960
want to do and when we're going to do
it. Uh any money that's already been

681
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:30,559
spent is not reimburseable. So it it
would be future money. uh in thinking

682
00:58:26,000 --> 00:58:36,160
about closing the ramp. We we and this
is where you are the expert on it

683
00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:41,280
probably as to timing of what's the best
time of year to close it down for I

684
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:46,480
don't even know how long that take to
replace the one ramp even if we didn't

685
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:50,079
do anything else. Um it will be closed
for a while many season

686
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:56,000
» lobster [laughter]
I might agree with you.

687
00:58:53,040 --> 00:59:00,240
» All right. So anyway, the TDC money is
ours, but it's we have to we have to

688
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:03,839
show them what we're going to do with
it.

689
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:08,400
» Thank you, Deb Hannah.
>> I I agree. I think it's all about the

690
00:59:05,599 --> 00:59:13,119
data. If if the need is there, then we
do it. If not, then we just do a single

691
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:16,400
ramp because I don't ever recall hear
seeing a big long backup of boats

692
00:59:15,200 --> 00:59:19,920
waiting to get put in.
>> Yeah. Right. Okay.

693
00:59:18,559 --> 00:59:22,559
» Vice Mayor,
>> I do want to give a shout out to Peter

694
00:59:21,119 --> 00:59:27,280
Fresa. He's been our point person on
this. So, if any of you individually

695
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:31,280
want to contact uh Peter, uh he has a
lot of the day-to-day information on it.

696
00:59:28,799 --> 00:59:34,160
And if any citizens have any input, I
also encourage them to talk to Peter

697
00:59:32,640 --> 00:59:37,760
Fresel also because Peter's really on
top of it. So, thanks Peter for your

698
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:43,680
» I think when it comes to the dredging
part and putting in the second the

699
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:47,760
second ramp, I think it'd be prudent for
us to have a pre-application conference

700
00:59:45,599 --> 00:59:53,680
with the uh with the Army Corps
>> and the D before we just envision and

701
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:57,119
making drawings and all that stuff for
that.

702
00:59:54,640 --> 01:00:00,559
» Um because, you know, that's where we're
going to end up having potential

703
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:05,760
problem. We're going in there and
dredging even though it's our basin. uh

704
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:11,680
dredging that that whole spoil area out
and and all of that. So, I'd say before

705
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:17,440
we start spending a lot of money on
designing all of that and designing, you

706
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:22,000
know, enough parking for two ramps or
whatever that we uh that we actually sit

707
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:26,720
down and have a pre-application
conference with the Army Corps so that

708
01:00:24,319 --> 01:00:30,240
we don't we're not chasing after
something that may be a dream and not

709
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:35,359
possible. And even though once again
that the parking may not be subject to

710
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:38,799
for the uh TDC grant, we are looking at
moving forward with it because I do

711
01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:42,480
think our parking needs to be done. Uh I
know that Vice Mayor uh Mahoney has has

712
01:00:41,119 --> 01:00:46,559
talked to folks. We had three different
options presented by our our engineering

713
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:50,400
firm and I think there was some
consensus of a good one that's there and

714
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:54,079
I'd be happy to share that. Once again,
anybody on the council or in the public

715
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,920
or Peter would guess would be the one to
do it.

716
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:59,040
» Actually, I think we ought to do that at
a public meeting one of these. I'm

717
01:00:57,200 --> 01:01:01,200
thinking about maybe at the next October
meeting

718
01:00:59,520 --> 01:01:07,040
» bring out the ideas that are there and
get a lot of feedback from the community

719
01:01:03,599 --> 01:01:08,880
» and and uh before it reaches a se it
point too far out

720
01:01:07,760 --> 01:01:12,000
» and it may be worth having a separate
workshop on it if we need more time you

721
01:01:10,799 --> 01:01:14,720
know because it depends on how much time
we're going to do with it but I I would

722
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:18,640
say by the next meeting we should have
more information and if not a workshop

723
01:01:17,119 --> 01:01:23,440
then at the meeting but perhaps even
having a workshop to to talk about it.

724
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:28,079
Yeah, it would be nice to continue the
interest, see if we can gather who's

725
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:32,400
interested in it, maybe revert back to
the original program, padlock and a key

726
01:01:30,799 --> 01:01:36,640
until this all goes because this isn't
going to happen overnight.

727
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:40,720
» All right. Very good.
>> One one final issue would be uh some

728
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:44,799
clarification and our and our contract
with freebie. Uh there was discussion

729
01:01:42,559 --> 01:01:49,200
about advertising. Initially, the
thought was that we couldn't do it uh

730
01:01:46,799 --> 01:01:52,240
advertise on the cars because of DOT.
DOT said, "No, that's not us and it

731
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:56,640
turned out it's in our code that we
can't allow it. The question is though

732
01:01:54,319 --> 01:02:00,720
whether we have to officially approve
invehicle advertising or online

733
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:05,280
advertising which is not prohibited by
our code. Uh apparently we may want to

734
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:12,400
get direction. I don't I personally have
no issue with um the with the freebie

735
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:17,040
doing the in vehicle or online but in in
case it is does require official

736
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:24,160
approval I'd ask for if it's acceptable
have a motion uh to approve invehicle

737
01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:27,680
and online advertising not on car
advertising

738
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:30,720
» you just need a consensus on that or do
you actually need a vote

739
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:34,480
» I would do it as a yeah I would do it as
a motion with a with a vote of councel

740
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:37,920
uh since it's a contract requires the
village approval.

741
01:02:35,359 --> 01:02:42,319
» Do so you going to Excuse me, Dev. You
want to bring that back to us then for

742
01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:44,240
us to have a a presentation and
discussion or

743
01:02:43,040 --> 01:02:47,680
» No, I would just ask for a motion
tonight. I I think that was discussed

744
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:52,160
before and I think there was just an an
assumption that was okay. But because of

745
01:02:49,839 --> 01:02:55,760
the contract, I think it's it's safer to
say let's have an official motion and

746
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:59,839
vote. Uh because I haven't heard any
objection to it. There's some problems

747
01:02:57,359 --> 01:03:03,760
with the outside of the car advertising
both with our code and also with some

748
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:07,760
citizens, but I don't think the in
invehicle or online advertising has any

749
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:10,880
objection unless somebody in the
audience has something if they want to

750
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:14,799
take public comment. But I I know of no
problems with having invehicle online

751
01:03:13,359 --> 01:03:16,880
advertising. It was just the on the
vehicle advertising.

752
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:21,440
» Very good. Deb.
>> Well, I just had a question about the

753
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:22,960
online if you're talking about on their
app.

754
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:26,480
» Yes.
>> Doing advertising because up until now

755
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:31,520
it's been free.
And it still may be what I'm saying is

756
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:36,559
in the event it becomes a for you know
for pay advertising then we would want

757
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:39,920
to you know be part of that you know and
we haven't really pursued that. There's

758
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:44,640
also other types of advertising with
hotels etc that may be potentially

759
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:49,119
there. Uh but at this point the only
thing we've ruled out would be on the

760
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:53,200
vehicle outside. uh the inside of the
vehicle and online are just things that

761
01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:56,240
are potential but rather than waiting
for it to happen I'd rather go ahead and

762
01:03:54,559 --> 01:04:00,079
get make sure that's okay with the
council and if it is then if and when it

763
01:03:58,880 --> 01:04:05,039
happens we don't have to come back to
you for approval. So my question is why

764
01:04:03,359 --> 01:04:08,559
didn't we just have that on the agenda
then? If we needed to have this

765
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:12,480
discussion and we needed to vote on
something, why isn't it on the agenda

766
01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:15,359
for tonight and it just pops up in
manager discussion?

767
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:19,920
» Because we're not really even sure we
have to have the vote as my position was

768
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:24,000
is better safe than sorry. We've been
trying to get clarification uh from

769
01:04:22,079 --> 01:04:28,880
Phoebe about what they will or won't do
right now, but because uh let's say they

770
01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:32,079
decide next week to do it, we won't have
to come back and then do it again. So,

771
01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:35,280
I'm willing to delay it if you want to
delay it. I'm just thinking that since

772
01:04:33,359 --> 01:04:38,000
it didn't seem to be very controversial,
I would just go ahead and get the

773
01:04:36,319 --> 01:04:41,200
approval and then continue work with
freebie about what type of advertising

774
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:44,960
would be feasible or not.
>> I would like I would like to see it on

775
01:04:42,880 --> 01:04:47,760
the next agenda as opposed to doing
>> I think it should be on the agenda and I

776
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:53,440
think we should be able to open it up
for public comment and talk about it.

777
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:58,480
» All right. Is there anything else?
There's one thing I forgot earlier is

778
01:04:56,240 --> 01:05:02,799
last week it was Anna's birthday.
Yesterday it was Steve's birthday and

779
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:07,200
today it's Sharon's birthday. So, no
singing to Sharon, but we had three

780
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:10,680
council birthdays just like within a
week of each other's.

781
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:19,920
» Yeah. Right. Okay.
>> Happy birthday, Sharon. All right. Well,

782
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:23,839
with that, why don't we open it up to
public comment? Uh Marty, you got

783
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:31,680
anybody signed up?
>> Yes, sir. Um, first up is Craig Bellen.

784
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,160
And I could have that last name.
>> Belure.

785
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,880
» Thank you.
>> Welcome, Craig.

786
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,039
» Sorry. Hard to walk.
>> It only hurts when you get up or sit

787
01:05:38,400 --> 01:05:43,119
down, right?
>> Yeah. Well, no, it's hurting all the

788
01:05:40,640 --> 01:05:48,880
time. Um, Craig Belchure, 200 Ren
Street, Isa Marada. Uh, I'm here to talk

789
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:54,559
to council and the public for support of
Beats on the Bay. Um, I've, uh, been the

790
01:05:52,960 --> 01:06:01,200
pleasure of being able to be a food
vendor there for three years. And, uh, I

791
01:05:57,839 --> 01:06:06,559
just want to point out a few things. Um,
the general attendants there are older

792
01:06:04,319 --> 01:06:10,559
people like myself, so taxpayers. They
come with their chairs. They get to sit

793
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:16,000
down and, enjoy some music, get some
food, maybe a free uh, drink or

794
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:21,200
whatever. Um, we have this beautiful
amphitheater. We need to support it. Uh,

795
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:25,359
I would also say that I I understand
that they've asked for an increase in

796
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:31,280
the budget. Part of the problem with the
Beats on the Bay is you need a good

797
01:06:28,960 --> 01:06:37,599
cover band in order to get people to
come to the event. So, if you have a

798
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:41,200
cover band for Journey and it's
successful night, people go home, they

799
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:46,640
tell their neighbors, "Man, we had a
great time. Had a fish sandwich. We got

800
01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:52,400
to hear a great band that might possibly
get more people to come out. I think

801
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:56,960
that uh there are several ways that uh
the park officials can promote it

802
01:06:54,319 --> 01:07:02,640
better. We should maybe be able to get
sponsors for each band that comes in in

803
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:09,839
the community. You just have to make
more effort to try to do more things to

804
01:07:04,880 --> 01:07:13,839
generate revenue. Um, I know it uh
it doesn't make a profit, but it

805
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:19,200
shouldn't have to make a profit because
it's part of the park. And if it's it

806
01:07:17,359 --> 01:07:23,680
allows people to come here and enjoy our
park and enjoy our facility and I would

807
01:07:21,839 --> 01:07:28,000
like for the council to support that and
I would like for the council to support

808
01:07:25,200 --> 01:07:32,640
that with additional funds. I'll take
any questions if anybody has any.

809
01:07:31,119 --> 01:07:35,359
» I think you're good.
>> Thank you.

810
01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:39,599
» See microphone. Thank you, Craig.
Morning.

811
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:43,119
» Next up is Roland Moore.
>> Welcome back, Roland.

812
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:49,559
» Thank you.
>> Before I start this, I just want to pass

813
01:07:45,599 --> 01:07:49,559
a photograph.

814
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:07,359
» My name is Roland Moore. I'm from lower
Madakumbi Key.

815
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:12,799
Uh my wife and I have been going to
Mangrove Mike's which is the subject of

816
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:20,960
this discussion
for breakfast every Sunday for 25 years.

817
01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:27,520
Mike and I were best friends
and he loved dogs.

818
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:36,319
He I attended his funeral
and also as along with many of you,

819
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:42,480
the Mike Forester Memorial Dog Park.
Last week, as we always do, we showed up

820
01:08:38,560 --> 01:08:48,000
for breakfast with our little puppy,
uh, which is a service dog and and a in

821
01:08:45,440 --> 01:08:51,839
a puppy pouch.
The manager, Donna, was not there in

822
01:08:50,319 --> 01:08:58,560
large
in a large uh Sunday crowd, but the

823
01:08:54,960 --> 01:09:05,359
waiter yelled at us, telling us that to
get the dog out of here right away in a

824
01:09:02,000 --> 01:09:11,520
very rude uh fashion. Dogs are not
allowed in this restaurant ever. I

825
01:09:08,719 --> 01:09:16,880
complained to the manager, Paige, who
never responded, and I don't think we

826
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:23,120
should be treated this way. And Donna
did apologize. I sent you a photograph

827
01:09:19,279 --> 01:09:28,000
of of all of you at the at the dog park.
So my point is that they said that no

828
01:09:26,319 --> 01:09:33,279
dogs
are allowed in any restaurants in Isa

829
01:09:31,679 --> 01:09:40,000
Marada.
And my point is that I've lived here for

830
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:48,880
so many years and we take our service
dog to a lot of restaurants in in Isa

831
01:09:44,239 --> 01:09:54,239
Marada and we were really flabbergasted
that at Mangrove Mike's in particular

832
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:59,440
that they said get the hell out of here.
That's my point.

833
01:09:57,199 --> 01:10:05,040
And I don't know whether that's really a
Florida law.

834
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:10,000
And if it is, I would really question it
because

835
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:17,159
we've lived here for years and and and
nobody's really tried to enforce it.

836
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:17,159
» Thank you, Roland.

837
01:10:19,840 --> 01:10:25,960
» Morning.
Next is Joe Wishmeer.

838
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:36,000
» Welcome, Joe.
>> Thank you.

839
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:39,920
» Yes, Joe Wishmire, Plantation Key. Uh,
mayor and council, I want to send out a

840
01:10:38,080 --> 01:10:44,239
special thank you to the Madakumbi
Historical Trust for the service they

841
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:48,400
put on at the hurricane monument,
remembering all those that lost their

842
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:53,040
lives during the Labor Day hurricane of
1935.

843
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:58,000
That not only changed Isa Marada, but it
also changed all the keys. I would hope

844
01:10:55,440 --> 01:11:01,760
that more people would come out and help
celebrate that day or mourn that day,

845
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:06,400
whichever way that you want to look at
it.

846
01:11:04,080 --> 01:11:10,719
Next, I'm sure you've heard that the
Crooked Palm is closing its doors on

847
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:15,120
October the 4th.
A number of months ago, this council

848
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:19,920
removed many of the restrictions placed
on the business to protect the

849
01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:24,560
neighborhood. The reason stated was
there were not many complaints and that

850
01:11:22,159 --> 01:11:28,800
the Crooked Palm was a good neighbor.
Since that time, not much has changed

851
01:11:27,440 --> 01:11:35,840
other than they're getting ready to
close their doors. Our concern is that a

852
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:40,800
new business may not be uh proved to be
as good a neighbor and disrupt our

853
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:47,679
familyoriented neighborhood. I would
hope that this council would reinstitute

854
01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:53,120
the previous restrictions to protect our
quiet enjoyment of life. As it says in

855
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:57,840
our village statement,
don't forget about all the young kids

856
01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:02,480
riding their scooters and one-wheelers
to the 7-Eleven at all hours of the day

857
01:12:00,400 --> 01:12:09,199
and even sometimes at night to get their
snacks. If the new business proves to be

858
01:12:06,159 --> 01:12:13,440
a good neighbor, then you can also again
remove the restrictions.

859
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:16,560
So I would hope that you would really
consider that. And the last thing I

860
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:19,840
would like to say is about the
afteraction report. I know you're

861
01:12:18,560 --> 01:12:26,400
probably getting tired of hearing me
asking for the old one where it followed

862
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:30,400
up with the actions because you as
council members direct staff to do a lot

863
01:12:28,800 --> 01:12:35,280
of different actions and it would like
to be seen in the report as to what

864
01:12:33,199 --> 01:12:39,040
actions have been taken. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Joe.

865
01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:42,920
» Morning.
>> Next is Scott Gus.

866
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:50,320
» Welcome Scott.
>> Thank you.

867
01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:55,040
Evening, mayor, fellow, and council
members. Um, I understand that the uh

868
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:58,159
the council communication for the
affordable housing tables were pulled

869
01:12:56,480 --> 01:13:02,159
from the agenda. Um, but I would like
just to take uh do I get three minutes?

870
01:12:59,920 --> 01:13:07,360
Habitat for Humanity, the upper keys um
as an entity. Um, but I would like just

871
01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:12,000
to take a moment uh to explain why, you
know, I think it's it's really important

872
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:16,719
um and we're and also as a member of
your affordable housing committee that

873
01:13:14,159 --> 01:13:22,000
we are recommending um that the housing
program mirror the framework that Murro

874
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:25,920
County has used for years. It's one that
treats married couples and registered

875
01:13:23,679 --> 01:13:30,239
domestic partners differently than two
unrelated uh adults sharing a unit. And

876
01:13:29,120 --> 01:13:34,159
here's the problem we're trying to
solve. Under a flat household size

877
01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:38,080
income limit, two working adults who get
married can can find themselves priced

878
01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:41,280
out of the very program meant to keep
them here even though nothing about

879
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:45,840
their household expenses changed
overnight. We call this a marriage

880
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:51,040
penalty and it's real. At Habitat, we've
it has been the differencemaker of

881
01:13:47,679 --> 01:13:57,120
qualifying families versus they they
didn't qualify because we are bound as

882
01:13:53,440 --> 01:14:01,840
Habitat to a maximum of 80% AMI or area
median income.

883
01:13:59,679 --> 01:14:05,840
Um, so our current ordinance in the
village doesn't distinguish between a

884
01:14:03,760 --> 01:14:10,000
married couple raising a family in one
uh in one of our one of the units and

885
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:13,679
two unrelated roommates splitting rent.
And it should. Monroe County figured

886
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:17,520
this out and it's in their section. I
won't take time to to to go through

887
01:14:15,280 --> 01:14:21,600
that. Um, I'm sure John and others can
can opine and and and bring that to you

888
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:26,560
for for uh their analys for your
analysis and and understanding. But

889
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:29,760
what's important here I think is yeah I
think there it is always important to

890
01:14:28,320 --> 01:14:34,159
look at other municipalities what are
they doing and by no means am I

891
01:14:32,239 --> 01:14:39,840
suggesting that we just blanket copy
Monroe County we need to look at what's

892
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:44,560
right for Marada but in this case um it
is what's right because it's it's it

893
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:48,719
would open it up to more families and
just like we go to Florida Keys Day and

894
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:52,400
and petition to the legislation for hey
we're different in Monroe County we're

895
01:14:50,480 --> 01:14:55,920
different in the Keys right because
blanket things across the state don't

896
01:14:54,239 --> 01:14:59,440
don't apply. We need, you know,
carveouts to best represent and take

897
01:14:58,080 --> 01:15:03,520
care of the people that that we're
representing. So, why does this matter

898
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:06,400
for us? Three quick reasons. First, it
keeps working families together in our

899
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:09,520
community instead of pushing them out
the moment that they marry or register a

900
01:15:08,159 --> 01:15:13,840
partnership. That's exactly the
workforce retention goal our own housing

901
01:15:11,600 --> 01:15:17,440
program was built to serve. Second,
we're not reinventing inventing this

902
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:21,199
from scratch. The county has been admin
administering this exact framework for

903
01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:24,880
years and we can adopt the language and
and whatever we need to right from from

904
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:29,120
there and that's what we we've proposed.
Third, it's a targeted fix. This isn't a

905
01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:33,120
blanket increase in who qualifies. It
only adjusts how we count the hours and

906
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:36,719
the income for one specific household
type, married and registered domestic

907
01:15:35,040 --> 01:15:40,800
partners, while leaving every other
qualification standard untouched. And

908
01:15:39,440 --> 01:15:44,000
that's really the gist of it. But I just
I think it was important to understand

909
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:47,440
where we're coming from both as a
habitat, both as spent a lot of work.

910
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:50,960
It's been hard to to keep some meetings.
We're trying to do some meaningful work

911
01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:54,400
in the in the committee and the
committee all agreed on this to to

912
01:15:52,480 --> 01:15:58,159
recommend it uh for discussion at least
as a council communication uh to be

913
01:15:56,400 --> 01:16:01,600
heard. Um and I just thought it was
important to bring for that. Lastly, on

914
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:05,040
a separate note, if I could, I just
would like to make for the freebie uh

915
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:08,719
plug. I came to the workshop. I was one
of I think only two people or so or a

916
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:13,520
hand small handful besides most of you
who uh showed up for it. But um it was

917
01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:17,840
we were told it's just an ask to lower
the age the minimum age requirement from

918
01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:23,679
18 to 13. There's plenty of precedent
for that. Tons of municipalities offer

919
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:28,400
uh the age uh minimum limit of 13 for
for their riders. Um so and it was told

920
01:16:26,480 --> 01:16:32,000
it's just an ask. We can ask for it. So
haven't seen that done yet. Love to to

921
01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:36,000
see if that could be something that
could be revisited. Any questions?

922
01:16:34,560 --> 01:16:40,000
» Thank you, Scott. Thank you.
>> So, maybe we can uh add that on when we

923
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:45,120
have our discussion about freebie and
their advertising so that you killed two

924
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:48,960
birds with one stone. Ron Anna,
>> I spoke with Kate Delos about that a

925
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:51,840
while ago and I know she was going to
talk to freebie about that about

926
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:55,440
lowering the age. So, I don't know if
she got anywhere

927
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:57,679
» or we got any further with that, but
yeah.

928
01:16:56,000 --> 01:17:02,239
» Thank you. Uh, Deb.
>> Um, I just wonder I don't think Scott

929
01:16:59,840 --> 01:17:05,520
was here when when I pulled the item and
I didn't pull it because I didn't want

930
01:17:03,679 --> 01:17:11,679
to talk about it. I pulled it because I
thought we needed more information from

931
01:17:09,679 --> 01:17:15,760
the other municipalities
to to make it right. Um, I totally

932
01:17:14,159 --> 01:17:22,400
understand
um penalizing

933
01:17:18,640 --> 01:17:27,040
singles versus uh married couples. So, I
it's just it's just about getting more

934
01:17:25,199 --> 01:17:30,560
information from other districts to make
sure we're doing it right.

935
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:34,320
» Yeah. I was going to ask about how the
graft is, too, because we don't have

936
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:37,360
very low and low. So,
>> we do have low. We do have low.

937
01:17:36,400 --> 01:17:39,360
» We have moderates.
>> No, we have low.

938
01:17:38,320 --> 01:17:44,400
» Okay.
>> Uh, habitat works off of low and so does

939
01:17:42,159 --> 01:17:49,199
uh the Woods Corner.
>> Our code doesn't.

940
01:17:46,960 --> 01:17:53,600
The village's code does not. We work off
of moderate. So I wanted to have that

941
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,640
discussion about that. So we'll have
that.

942
01:17:54,000 --> 01:17:56,880
» I got it.
>> Yeah.

943
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:59,440
» Okay. Well, yeah, that's within the
organizations then.

944
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,840
» Right.
>> Okay.

945
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:05,440
» But that's a discussion from the other
day. I It's not that I didn't want to

946
01:18:03,679 --> 01:18:09,120
have the conversation. I just think it's
premature yet.

947
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:12,560
» Understood. Thank you,
>> Marne.

948
01:18:10,719 --> 01:18:15,520
» There's no one else signed up.
>> All right. Public comment still open. Is

949
01:18:14,239 --> 01:18:21,600
there anyone else that would like to
speak of public comment?

950
01:18:18,800 --> 01:18:25,840
Is anyone online?
>> No, sir.

951
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:31,280
» All right. Seeing hearing none, then
public comment is closed.

952
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:34,960
» Seriously.
>> You want to Oh, Terry, you're not the

953
01:18:33,679 --> 01:18:36,800
public.
>> Terry,

954
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:42,080
» I am at the moment, sir.
>> Okay. Very good. Terry, welcome.

955
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:47,280
» Um, just putting it out. Uh, Friday at
8:30, Station 20 is the 25th anniversary

956
01:18:45,120 --> 01:18:52,719
of the 911 ceremony. So, if anyone would
like to come out, uh we'll be starting

957
01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:56,640
at at uh 8:30, Station 20, 81850, across
from the hurricane monument, and

958
01:18:54,320 --> 01:19:00,640
everyone's welcome to attend. Thank you.
>> I hope we have a good attendance to

959
01:18:58,239 --> 01:19:04,280
that. Station 20.
See you there at 8:30.

960
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:11,280
» All right. Now, Terry's comment is
closed.

961
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:13,600
» So, is that at the fire station itself
or will it be at the monument?

962
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:16,239
» Fire station.
>> Fire station.

963
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:19,840
» That's it. Fire station 20. I'm just
making sure.

964
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:25,600
» All right, good deal.
Uh let's see. Consent agenda, John.

965
01:19:23,600 --> 01:19:28,400
» Yes, we are in the consent uh consent
portion of the agenda. These items are

966
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:31,440
of routine nature, and council members
have reviewed these items in advance and

967
01:19:29,920 --> 01:19:35,520
sought the advice of staff as they felt
necessary. There'll be one vote on the

968
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:38,719
consent items, which today are tabs two
through four. If anyone would like to

969
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:42,400
pull an item for consent, he or she
should state so now.

970
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:47,520
» Council,
>> nope, we're good.

971
01:19:45,280 --> 01:19:50,719
All right. Do I have a motion to approve
the consent agenda for tonight?

972
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:52,320
» Motion to approve.
>> And a second.

973
01:19:51,600 --> 01:19:56,320
» Second.
>> Okay. I got a motion. Second. Is there

974
01:19:54,159 --> 01:20:02,719
any no votes?
>> All right. No. Do we need to do a Marne?

975
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:08,400
Do we have or John? Do we need to do a a
voice vote? A voice vote or

976
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:12,000
» you can do
any opposition?

977
01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:16,080
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

978
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:18,239
» Yeah. We need to do public comment.
Absolutely. Okay.

979
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:20,880
» Yeah.
>> Um,

980
01:20:19,360 --> 01:20:24,880
» do we have any public comment on the
consent agenda tonight?

981
01:20:23,280 --> 01:20:30,239
» I don't have anyone signed up for it.
>> All right. Is there any public comment?

982
01:20:27,760 --> 01:20:35,760
One once and twice. Seeing none, public
comment is closed. Got a motion and a

983
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:40,960
second. Marty, will you go on a call,
please?

984
01:20:38,640 --> 01:20:44,560
» Even though it's not needed.
>> Council member Anna Richards.

985
01:20:42,320 --> 01:20:46,640
» Yes. Vice Mayor Mahoney.
>> Yes.

986
01:20:45,199 --> 01:20:48,480
» Council member Steve Friedman.
>> Yes.

987
01:20:47,199 --> 01:20:50,080
» Council member Deb Gillis.
>> Yes.

988
01:20:48,719 --> 01:20:52,400
» And Mayor Don Horton.
>> Yes.

989
01:20:50,560 --> 01:20:56,800
» Motion passes. 5-0.
>> Very good.

990
01:20:55,360 --> 01:20:58,560
» John, you want to introduce this
resolution?

991
01:20:57,760 --> 01:21:01,520
» Yes.
>> We are.

992
01:20:59,760 --> 01:21:04,320
» We are on tab five. A resolution of the
village council of Mara village of

993
01:21:02,880 --> 01:21:11,120
Islands, Florida, amending the village's
adopted budget for fiscal year 2025 2026

994
01:21:07,199 --> 01:21:15,876
and providing an effective date.
>> Patty, go for All right, council. Happy

995
01:21:12,960 --> 01:21:17,896
birthday to everyone. Apparently there
[laughter]

996
01:21:18,239 --> 01:21:25,280
» um the proposed budget amendment updates
revenues and expenditures through May

997
01:21:22,080 --> 01:21:29,600
31st 26 to better align the budget with
actual operating activity and

998
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:33,760
anticipated year-end results. Overall,
the amendments primarily consist of

999
01:21:31,600 --> 01:21:38,080
budget reallocations, recognition of
additional revenues, grant proceeds, and

1000
01:21:36,400 --> 01:21:42,480
adjustments to capital and enterprise
fund projects. The amendments improve

1001
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:46,560
the projected financial position of
several funds while maintaining

1002
01:21:43,920 --> 01:21:50,560
budgetary compliance. So basically it's
just interfund transfers. Um it's

1003
01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:55,360
actually projecting that we're going to
be adding to fund balance at this point.

1004
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:58,560
So I recommend that we approve the
budget amendment.

1005
01:21:56,320 --> 01:22:05,520
» Thank you very much. Deb, your mic's on.
>> I'm sorry, but I do have a question.

1006
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:11,600
Will will this um will these adjustments
be in our affect our budget on Thursday?

1007
01:22:09,679 --> 01:22:18,080
Our budget discussion
>> this this update isn't in the budget

1008
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:22,000
» not necess the the budget coming up are
all based on projections for the fiscal

1009
01:22:20,239 --> 01:22:26,880
year 2526.
So in a way, yes, they are included

1010
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:30,800
because I'm I I project as of I think
the budget is as of 331 and then you

1011
01:22:29,280 --> 01:22:36,080
project for the remaining portion of the
year based on the

1012
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:39,280
» Did I get that? Did I get that?
>> It's just calculated a different way.

1013
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:44,239
That's all.
>> So the fact that we're adding to fund

1014
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:47,760
balance will show up on Thursday night's
budget discussion.

1015
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:52,800
» Yes, it sure will.
>> Asking. Thank you.

1016
01:22:49,120 --> 01:22:57,120
» Yes. Thank you, Dan. All right. Uh, is
there any public comment?

1017
01:22:55,199 --> 01:23:00,480
» No, sir.
>> Okay. Is there anyone from the public

1018
01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:04,960
that would like to talk about this
resolution?

1019
01:23:02,639 --> 01:23:09,600
Public comment is closed. Council, any
further discussion?

1020
01:23:08,080 --> 01:23:12,600
I'd like to ask for a motion in a
second.

1021
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:17,920
» Motion to approve.
>> Second.

1022
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:21,040
» Okay. I got a motion in a second. Marty,
will you call the role? Council member

1023
01:23:20,239 --> 01:23:22,719
Anna Richards,
>> yes.

1024
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:24,400
» Council member Steve Freriedman,
>> yes.

1025
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,239
» Council member Deb Gillis,
>> yes.

1026
01:23:24,880 --> 01:23:27,760
» Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney,
>> yes.

1027
01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:31,199
» And Mayor Don Horton,
>> yes.

1028
01:23:28,080 --> 01:23:34,639
» That motion passes 5-0. [clears throat]
>> Tab six is a resolution of the village

1029
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:37,600
council of Vermont Village, Florida,
approving the renewal of property

1030
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:41,679
casualty and workers compensation
policies and coverage and pol pollution

1031
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:45,440
liability from world risk management
through public risk management of

1032
01:23:42,960 --> 01:23:49,440
Florida effective October 1, 2026.
authorizing payment of the associated

1033
01:23:47,360 --> 01:23:53,360
renewal premiums for fiscal year 2026
2027 authorizing village officials to

1034
01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:57,199
execute required documents authorizing
village manager to expend budget funds

1035
01:23:54,960 --> 01:24:02,080
and providing for an effective date.
>> Thank you so much.

1036
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:05,120
» All right. The proposed renewal
continues the insurance program

1037
01:24:03,520 --> 01:24:10,080
originally procured through a
competitive solicitation process in

1038
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:14,320
2019. It represents the village
village's eighth eighth consecutive year

1039
01:24:12,320 --> 01:24:19,120
of coverage through uh world risk
management PRM partnership. Uh staff

1040
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:23,440
recommends approval of the two-year
coverage agreement which provides the

1041
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:28,960
greatest overall savings and rate
stability through October 1st of 2028.

1042
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:33,400
Under this option, the village's annual
premium decreases from1,30,147

1043
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:37,320
to $934,568,

1044
01:24:37,600 --> 01:24:46,880
representing a reduction of 95,579
or 9.28%.

1045
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:52,560
Despite increases in insurance property
values of 8.95% and payroll exposure of

1046
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:57,280
5%, the one-year renewal option would
reduce premiums by 7.43%.

1047
01:24:55,440 --> 01:25:03,120
However, the two-year agreement provides
additional savings and improved budget

1048
01:24:59,600 --> 01:25:07,520
predictability. Um, we also have our
consultant for insurance, Benf, on Zoom

1049
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:13,120
if you guys have any additional
questions related to this renewal.

1050
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:18,800
» Did he have a presentation or anything?
>> No. Nope. Just available for questions.

1051
01:25:16,239 --> 01:25:23,360
» Okay, council. Yes, Steve.
>> Yeah, I've got a question for uh Ben.

1052
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:27,840
Uh, uh, we spoke about this at the
briefing today. I was wondering if

1053
01:25:24,960 --> 01:25:34,080
there's any possibility in looking into
expanding our coverage for um legal

1054
01:25:30,960 --> 01:25:38,239
liability. We we ran out of it last year
at $100,000. It seems like if we could

1055
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:42,960
find something that would add to that
premium a little bit, it might be worth

1056
01:25:39,600 --> 01:25:46,880
it in the end to uh to protect us if we
are at risk of going over. And then at

1057
01:25:45,040 --> 01:25:51,280
the same time, I think that's another
thing is uh how can we uh track that

1058
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:55,600
where we're at? Where's where's the
meter at when we're getting close to uh

1059
01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:58,159
uh finishing that that particular part
of the policy?

1060
01:25:56,639 --> 01:26:02,800
» Good question.
>> Sure. Uh Ben F, good evening uh mayor,

1061
01:26:01,199 --> 01:26:08,320
council, Mr. Village Manager, Mr.
Village attorney, Madame Clerk. Um I am

1062
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:15,199
exploring an option for that right now.
Um I would say the types of claims that

1063
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:18,800
erode um non-monetary claims, the ones
you're the ones you're speaking about,

1064
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:24,719
um are few and far between. and you had
a very interesting loss here. Um, you

1065
01:26:21,760 --> 01:26:29,120
had several claims all in a row that
eroded that limit. And I would say for

1066
01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:33,040
context and perspective, these are the
types of claims that I'm sure attorney

1067
01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:36,960
Quick would uh agree with me that were
historically not covered at all under an

1068
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:42,159
insurance program. So, I would I kind of
consider this type of coverage,

1069
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:45,600
non-monetary claims, um, to be a gimme
coverage. However, we are looking at

1070
01:26:44,239 --> 01:26:50,320
options to see what we can do about
that. I will say that as um as you

1071
01:26:48,239 --> 01:26:55,840
compare with other entities of your size
and scope and indeed other insurers um

1072
01:26:53,440 --> 01:27:01,040
you have exactly what they have in terms
of of limit for those types of claims.

1073
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:05,840
Um again that said we are exploring an
option to see what we can do about uh

1074
01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:11,120
increasing that limit.
>> Thank you very much. Um, I got one

1075
01:27:08,639 --> 01:27:18,320
question and I'm sure that it's on the
mind of a few people that may read um,

1076
01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:22,880
our agendas and there's a there's a a
statement that's made in here uh, that

1077
01:27:20,880 --> 01:27:28,400
says based on current conditions in
Florida insurance market been few risk

1078
01:27:25,600 --> 01:27:32,400
managers recommend renewing the villages
existing coverage rather than

1079
01:27:29,920 --> 01:27:37,600
undertaking a new competitive
solicitation process at this time. And

1080
01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:42,639
I'm thankful that we're having a
reduction in something that doesn't that

1081
01:27:40,159 --> 01:27:48,400
seems to be pretty rare nowadays. But
can you explain to us why uh uh you

1082
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:51,920
would recommend not undertaking the
competitive solicitation process at this

1083
01:27:51,440 --> 01:27:55,600
time?
>> Because Sure. Because you're in a very

1084
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:59,040
soft property market right now.
Everyone's seeing the exact same thing

1085
01:27:57,280 --> 01:28:03,280
and your program is now one that is
running into issues in terms of the main

1086
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:09,120
types of claims that you you ensure for
property and casualty. Uh, aside from

1087
01:28:06,000 --> 01:28:13,840
what we just discussed, um, I I don't
see a lot of benefit to you to go to a

1088
01:28:12,400 --> 01:28:17,600
competitive bid at this particular point
in time because I don't think there's

1089
01:28:15,440 --> 01:28:23,920
much to be gained on the greater market.
Um, the insurers and the market that

1090
01:28:20,719 --> 01:28:29,760
would ensure the village um are only but
a handful. The market is very small. Um,

1091
01:28:27,600 --> 01:28:33,199
so what you want to do is save that for
a rainy day. If you are getting poor

1092
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:38,960
service, if your claims have
deteriorated such that your your

1093
01:28:35,679 --> 01:28:42,400
premiums are skyrocketing, then we take
a look at the market. Then we start

1094
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:47,760
making moves to go out there uh to
competitive bid. But right now, you're

1095
01:28:44,239 --> 01:28:54,719
in a great situation uh overall. And to
be able to negotiate a renewal um and

1096
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:59,920
and sort of save that solicitation for a
rainy day is is very valuable. I've had

1097
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:04,560
clients that insist upon going to bid
every year and the market just

1098
01:29:02,880 --> 01:29:09,199
completely dries up. It's these guys
again and they don't get any bids and we

1099
01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:15,120
tell them that's what's going to happen.
Uh and that's that's what happens.

1100
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:17,679
» Very good. Thank you.
>> Anything else, Hattie?

1101
01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:19,199
» Except for me, council.
>> I had a question.

1102
01:29:18,480 --> 01:29:25,199
» Okay.
>> It's um

1103
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:30,480
first of all, I want to say I think it's
absolutely amazing. And I actually asked

1104
01:29:27,600 --> 01:29:37,679
Haddie probably four times, not just one
time, how they came up with this

1105
01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:44,320
reduction in this 9.2% reduction. Uh I
think it's amazing what you did. Um I

1106
01:29:41,440 --> 01:29:47,280
don't ever see my private company
insurance go down. So

1107
01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:55,840
» 100% you're doing a good job.
>> So it's a good job. Um, and I also asked

1108
01:29:51,679 --> 01:30:01,440
um how that comes about to be able to
guarantee it over two years. I guess

1109
01:29:58,239 --> 01:30:06,800
it's just through the contracting method
and then I have a a second statement

1110
01:30:04,400 --> 01:30:10,320
question when you answer that.
>> Sure. You contract with the trust. Uh

1111
01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:14,560
they're a little bit different than a
standard carrier. Um they are

1112
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:19,360
specifically designed and formed under
special statute to ensure

1113
01:30:16,560 --> 01:30:25,199
municipalities. Um so yes it would just
be through a contract mechanism um that

1114
01:30:21,520 --> 01:30:32,960
you are you uh commit to two years.
>> Okay. The second half is um just for it

1115
01:30:29,920 --> 01:30:38,159
was for my education and on one of the
pages it talking about the two-year

1116
01:30:34,719 --> 01:30:44,000
coverage if
it says uh that the options that the the

1117
01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:49,600
rates would say that this would apply to
rates but not to premiums. Um just so

1118
01:30:47,360 --> 01:30:52,880
people understand what the difference is
just a very short synopsis of the

1119
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:56,400
difference between a rate and the
premium.

1120
01:30:54,239 --> 01:31:00,800
» Sure. The the rate is what is charged
against the underlying exposure. The the

1121
01:30:58,719 --> 01:31:06,080
simplest example would be um your
property values or maybe your your

1122
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:09,280
payroll. Um those can change year.
Obviously if you're going to hire more

1123
01:31:07,440 --> 01:31:14,159
people payroll is going to go up. But
that's that exposure is what the rate is

1124
01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:18,880
then charged against to derive your
workers compensation premium for

1125
01:31:15,840 --> 01:31:23,199
example. Um so the exposure may go up
yeartoear but the rate that is being

1126
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:26,719
charged for that exposure is locked in.
That's the same and that gives you the

1127
01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:31,040
you know the budgeting advantage going
forward.

1128
01:31:28,080 --> 01:31:36,000
» Okay. I just wanted that out to the
public. Um, I got I got Hattie and the

1129
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:41,280
group to explain it to me earlier and I
just thought it was an important

1130
01:31:37,600 --> 01:31:42,800
» issue to bring out to the public issue.
>> Anything else, council?

1131
01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:46,480
» Thank you.
>> Can we open this up for public comment

1132
01:31:44,639 --> 01:31:49,840
then? Is there any public comment on
this item?

1133
01:31:48,080 --> 01:31:53,600
» I don't have anyone signed up for it.
>> All right. One more time for public

1134
01:31:51,440 --> 01:31:57,840
comment.
All right. I'll entertain a motion

1135
01:31:56,159 --> 01:32:01,679
» or make a motion to approve.
>> Why not with that reduction?

1136
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:05,600
» Yes. Second. We got a motion and a
second. Marty, we call.

1137
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:07,360
» Council member Deb Gillis.
>> Yes.

1138
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:09,280
» Council member Anna Richards.
>> Yes.

1139
01:32:07,760 --> 01:32:11,440
» Council member Steve Freriedman.
>> Yes.

1140
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,880
» Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney.
>> Yes.

1141
01:32:11,760 --> 01:32:15,199
» And Mayor Don Horton?
>> Yes.

1142
01:32:13,199 --> 01:32:18,639
» That motion passes 5-0.
>> All right.

1143
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:22,080
» Number seven is a resolution of the
village council of Vamara Village,

1144
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:25,280
Florida, adopting an updated village
personnel policy manual, authorizing

1145
01:32:23,920 --> 01:32:29,360
village officials to implement the terms
and conditions of the personnel policy

1146
01:32:26,719 --> 01:32:37,120
manual and providing an effective date.
>> Jamie. Good evening, council. Jamie uh

1147
01:32:32,159 --> 01:32:43,199
Terry, HR director. Um there was really
one primary driver for this update um

1148
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:48,480
which was the outside employment
expanded and strengthened based on a

1149
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:56,639
concern that we had in house that we
investigated. The second part was to

1150
01:32:51,600 --> 01:33:01,760
update the vacation leave from days to
hours

1151
01:32:58,159 --> 01:33:09,040
um because we have people that work 410
so and we acrew at an hourly acrual for

1152
01:33:05,840 --> 01:33:14,719
the annual acrual. So that was to update
that and then also to update for

1153
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:19,840
longevity for giving additional time for
employees that have served the village

1154
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:23,600
longer than the 15 years.
So

1155
01:33:21,280 --> 01:33:27,760
» and then just some housekeeping on some
language to make sure the language in

1156
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:33,520
there is consistent saying department
head versus director or director versus

1157
01:33:30,320 --> 01:33:38,000
department head. Some those editorials
are kind of in the back in the appendix.

1158
01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:44,320
I I forgot to ask you during our
meeting. I'm sorry. Um if we spoke a

1159
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:50,560
little bit about the fact that this may
increase the amount of

1160
01:33:47,120 --> 01:33:56,960
payroll vacation benefits.
>> Do we have any estimate of how much more

1161
01:33:54,880 --> 01:34:03,600
by offering
the additional um week at the end of the

1162
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:06,960
long-term benefits?
Um it's

1163
01:34:05,120 --> 01:34:11,199
» and I understand that that that can be
rough because it depends on who it is

1164
01:34:09,360 --> 01:34:19,679
and where it is but
>> right and and the cap is capped at 200.

1165
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:23,280
So the liability is only at 200 hours.
So we're really talking about the

1166
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:27,440
liability. I I think what you're asking
me is the liability for if somebody was

1167
01:34:25,280 --> 01:34:28,639
to terminate and they had the full two
No.

1168
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:35,760
» No.
>> Okay. I'm talking about if we pay out

1169
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:39,679
uh the extra time. They're they're here
and and we're paying them the extra time

1170
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:44,719
and because we might have to pay
overtime

1171
01:34:41,520 --> 01:34:48,400
um due to the fact that we we need to
cover the hours with somebody else while

1172
01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:52,800
they're gone.
>> Um there's

1173
01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:59,760
» what you tell me 10 employees that that
might qualify for that over 15 years

1174
01:34:56,320 --> 01:35:03,760
» currently. currently and of course that
could move up. Hopefully that moves up.

1175
01:35:01,760 --> 01:35:07,920
» Yeah. I mean we have people that are at
10 years that would be approaching that

1176
01:35:06,080 --> 01:35:11,440
15. So
>> in the next few years

1177
01:35:09,040 --> 01:35:15,040
» do we have an idea of how much
additional payroll we think that that

1178
01:35:13,760 --> 01:35:20,480
would
>> generate by giving the extra? It's not

1179
01:35:18,480 --> 01:35:23,520
that I don't want to I think we just
need to know how much payroll we're

1180
01:35:22,320 --> 01:35:27,280
spending.
>> You're asking me two questions. is the

1181
01:35:25,199 --> 01:35:32,719
people that are like over the 15 years
that get that extra

1182
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:36,400
» well time. Okay. Or in my budget summary
I say this could impact for overtime

1183
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:39,040
purposes like
>> right that's

1184
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:43,840
» and that only impacts that would only
impact places that are operationally

1185
01:35:41,440 --> 01:35:48,639
required to stay open and they would
have to fill that spot. So that's a

1186
01:35:46,320 --> 01:35:51,760
difficult question
number to come up with. It would be

1187
01:35:50,639 --> 01:35:56,639
» $10.
>> Yeah. parks and um the marina are the

1188
01:35:54,719 --> 01:35:58,239
ones that are open seven days a week.
Typically,

1189
01:35:57,120 --> 01:36:00,880
» it's not $10.
>> No.

1190
01:35:58,719 --> 01:36:03,840
» And it's not $500,000.
>> No.

1191
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:08,480
» Do we have
>> ballpark? I don't know. 8,000

1192
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:10,960
maybe.
>> That's That's what I'm looking for.

1193
01:36:10,000 --> 01:36:13,280
Okay. Thank you.
>> Sorry.

1194
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:17,760
» Vice Mayor.
>> Um let's go to what she was talking

1195
01:36:16,159 --> 01:36:24,239
about, which is what I want to talk
about. Um I would like to know the exact

1196
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:28,880
number of employees that fall in the
zero to one year, one to three years

1197
01:36:26,159 --> 01:36:33,679
because what Deb was trying to say is
you are looking at people who have 200

1198
01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:38,639
hours which is five weeks if I just did
my little math here

1199
01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:44,719
» which to me five weeks are gone. So
that's going to impact other employees

1200
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:49,920
to cover their time off. And I agree
with Deb where there's nothing in here

1201
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:55,199
that tells me how much overtime you you
don't know what the budget impact is.

1202
01:36:52,320 --> 01:37:00,560
And to me, I'd like to know how many 15
plus employees we have, how many between

1203
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:06,800
five and 15. I think that's a number
that we should have that's not provided

1204
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:12,960
for us. Also, page 31, I don't agree
with you. what a merit increase is. To

1205
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:18,639
me, a merit increase is uh this the way
we did it, the way I saw it was like if

1206
01:37:15,920 --> 01:37:21,920
you answered the phone or if you to me a
merit increase, I'm sorry, but it a

1207
01:37:20,239 --> 01:37:26,560
merit increase is if you take an extra
class, if you do something above and

1208
01:37:24,400 --> 01:37:31,679
beyond what your job is.
>> And it's sort of like I

1209
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:34,159
» that was how our merit increase was
done.

1210
01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:37,040
» But to me, that's not really a merit
increase. So maybe you ought to call it

1211
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:41,920
something different. To me, a merit
increase is if you take an extra class,

1212
01:37:39,440 --> 01:37:45,199
if you got another certification. That's
the way I thought a merit worked.

1213
01:37:44,159 --> 01:37:46,320
» Or above and beyond.
>> Above.

1214
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:51,119
» Yes.
>> It could it could be it could be work o

1215
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:55,520
over and above and beyond what your
normal duties were.

1216
01:37:52,400 --> 01:38:00,320
» And then I'd like to have a conversation
with our manager while we're here where

1217
01:37:58,320 --> 01:38:08,800
» there were very some very upset people
Friday. I was one and she was one that

1218
01:38:04,880 --> 01:38:14,480
12 days off. No, no, it's not 12 day 12
holidays off. Last year we fell into the

1219
01:38:11,760 --> 01:38:18,400
between Christmas and New Year extra
days off and stuff. This is a business

1220
01:38:16,239 --> 01:38:21,760
and we should be open business hours.
And I know the employees or the staff

1221
01:38:20,480 --> 01:38:26,400
probably doesn't want to hear me say
this, but they don't come and complain

1222
01:38:23,840 --> 01:38:32,960
to you guys. They complain to me Friday
that there was nobody here. And so if

1223
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:37,840
these the 12 days off, we need to have
set guidelines and not at somebody's

1224
01:38:35,040 --> 01:38:41,520
whim decide, oh, you guys all get Friday
off, too. And that's the way it's been.

1225
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:45,920
So, I don't know if that really goes to
you or to this gentleman over here, but

1226
01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:52,000
it needs to be addressed because there
were some upset people Friday. So, but I

1227
01:38:49,280 --> 01:38:57,679
would like before I pass anything on
this tab 7, I want to know the impact to

1228
01:38:54,960 --> 01:39:03,840
the budget like dead mast because how
many people are 15 up?

1229
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:08,239
Well, [sighs]
>> and they're going to take their vacation

1230
01:39:05,520 --> 01:39:12,480
probably that's a over a month.
>> The the number of people that are 15 up

1231
01:39:10,480 --> 01:39:18,239
there's 10 employees that are impacted.
The zero to one there is 11 employees

1232
01:39:15,520 --> 01:39:22,320
that are impacted. Um, and then any new
hires, the in between, I can give you

1233
01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:25,600
the exact numbers. I
>> Well, does does everybody else

1234
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:30,080
understand what Deb I know you did
because you hit on it before me

1235
01:39:27,600 --> 01:39:34,159
understand that this is going to be How
can you guarantee that the five weeks of

1236
01:39:32,320 --> 01:39:37,199
vacation isn't going to be overtime for
other employees?

1237
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:44,400
» Well, the people that fall into the 15
and above are Maria, Terry, Annie. Those

1238
01:39:42,159 --> 01:39:48,719
people don't get nobody covers for them
when they're gone. So that's why I said

1239
01:39:46,159 --> 01:39:54,480
it's difficult for me to know because
most of the people that are 15 and above

1240
01:39:50,719 --> 01:39:58,639
are people directors that nobody has to
cover for when they're gone. I there's

1241
01:39:56,800 --> 01:40:03,199
no overtime when they're gone.
>> But that's excuse me. But this is

1242
01:40:01,280 --> 01:40:08,320
today's people.
>> Tomorrow's people may be a different

1243
01:40:05,360 --> 01:40:14,639
batch that I have. I have people that
they would qualify for this

1244
01:40:11,679 --> 01:40:20,000
» uh 15 and up, but they would love to
have half of this.

1245
01:40:16,159 --> 01:40:24,639
» I know for the current budget I I guess
in per perpetuity

1246
01:40:22,794 --> 01:40:30,719
[snorts] there would be a budget impact.
Um obviously every year.

1247
01:40:28,960 --> 01:40:33,840
» Yeah. Anna, you
>> got your mic on?

1248
01:40:32,159 --> 01:40:39,119
» Yeah. Well, we already touched on the
the holiday thing because, you know,

1249
01:40:36,320 --> 01:40:45,520
last second half day, we know how that
played out. Not well. And my thing was

1250
01:40:42,719 --> 01:40:50,320
also on top of that was on page nine
where it and I know I emailed you today

1251
01:40:47,920 --> 01:40:54,159
about it, but it says on there that any
employees who engage in outside

1252
01:40:52,480 --> 01:40:58,239
employment, so if you want to go get a
second job, you must request permission

1253
01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:01,920
from the village. I don't think you
should have to request permission to go

1254
01:40:59,920 --> 01:41:06,480
get a second job. half the people in
this town have second jobs. I think if

1255
01:41:03,760 --> 01:41:10,320
you want to inform, if we want to have
it so you inform your supervisors that

1256
01:41:08,400 --> 01:41:14,159
you have a second job, that's fine. But
I don't think you should have to request

1257
01:41:12,239 --> 01:41:15,840
permission in order to go get a second
job.

1258
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:19,360
» Yeah.
>> Well, I think I think that there's a

1259
01:41:17,600 --> 01:41:23,040
fine line there because there could be
some type of conflict. So, you

1260
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:24,880
» you want to make sure there was no
conflict.

1261
01:41:23,600 --> 01:41:26,960
» Well, that's why you're informing,
right?

1262
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:30,719
» You shouldn't have to request to go get
a second job. Most of the people that

1263
01:41:28,719 --> 01:41:34,480
are getting second jobs are they're
guiding, they're bartending, they're

1264
01:41:32,480 --> 01:41:37,280
waitressing, they're doing stuff like
that. But you shouldn't have to request

1265
01:41:36,719 --> 01:41:42,560
permission.
>> So maybe it should be rewarded to where

1266
01:41:39,520 --> 01:41:44,800
if if the in in the event there's a a
perception of a conflict or something

1267
01:41:44,239 --> 01:41:47,920
like that.
>> Well, that's why I said inform, not must

1268
01:41:47,119 --> 01:41:50,239
request.
>> Yeah,

1269
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:55,440
» I agree with that.
>> Uh how many holidays were in our paid

1270
01:41:53,520 --> 01:41:58,480
holiday list?
>> 12.

1271
01:41:55,920 --> 01:42:00,960
» 12. I know that's in here, but was it 12
this last year, too?

1272
01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:03,600
» Yes,
>> it's been 12 for a while.

1273
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:05,280
» Yep.
>> Okay.

1274
01:42:03,840 --> 01:42:07,760
» Okay.
>> Uh,

1275
01:42:05,920 --> 01:42:10,000
» that hasn't changed. The only two
changes. [laughter]

1276
01:42:08,800 --> 01:42:13,760
» I'm going to go I'm going to go
>> Everything else is the same.

1277
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:16,800
» Is there not a change in the front loing
of the vacation?

1278
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:20,000
» There is not a change to that language.
>> Okay. So, we are not front front loing.

1279
01:42:18,880 --> 01:42:24,239
» Yes, I am frontloading.
>> We are frontloading. I don't agree with

1280
01:42:21,600 --> 01:42:29,199
that. I think it's earned time off. I
think it is not shouldn't be uh that you

1281
01:42:27,440 --> 01:42:36,719
just come to work for the village and
you automatically get time off. Uh and I

1282
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:42,719
and and in almost every business, you
earn your time off. You don't just grant

1283
01:42:39,679 --> 01:42:47,440
u. So, is there something in there that
stops them from coming in during their

1284
01:42:45,280 --> 01:42:52,080
probationary period of six months or
whatever that is that they're uh I mean,

1285
01:42:50,719 --> 01:42:56,480
that's when they're supposed to be there
learning their job and learning the

1286
01:42:53,679 --> 01:43:00,719
trade and and studying and instead of
taking

1287
01:42:58,239 --> 01:43:04,080
a week off or however many days they're
getting. Is there something in there

1288
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:09,600
that prohibits that?
>> Currently, they're acrewing monthly. So

1289
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:17,679
technically the first day that the first
time they get paid they have um pay

1290
01:43:13,520 --> 01:43:23,040
period wise currently um they have 3.96
hours that they can take off and

1291
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:28,400
probationary employees do that. This new
change would be from 0 to one years

1292
01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:33,280
which we currently don't have would be
up to 40 hours but you have to meet your

1293
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:40,960
probationary period. So, even if I
frontload it, it's based it's prrated.

1294
01:43:37,920 --> 01:43:47,280
Um, so if you hire in January, you're
going to get the 40 hours for the year.

1295
01:43:43,199 --> 01:43:52,560
But if you terminate in March and you've
taken that time because your department

1296
01:43:49,360 --> 01:43:57,840
head says that you can, um, I will take
time back from you on your final check.

1297
01:43:55,760 --> 01:44:02,080
That's the only reason for frontloading.
And then after the first year, then

1298
01:44:00,239 --> 01:44:08,560
you're at the 96 hours. Our current
policy is 96 hours from the day you walk

1299
01:44:04,560 --> 01:44:14,000
through the door at Village Hall
annually. And it says annually.

1300
01:44:11,920 --> 01:44:19,440
So whether you do that monthly, whether
you do it pay period wise, it says you

1301
01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:27,360
get 96 basically 12 days annually.
Sorry, not 96 hours. It says 12 days

1302
01:44:23,520 --> 01:44:34,239
annually. I I know you're trying to let
me how it's been said to me boost morale

1303
01:44:31,360 --> 01:44:40,400
but you know our biggest expense is the
staff and you know there's just some

1304
01:44:36,880 --> 01:44:44,320
things that happen that
nobody seems to have the answers to why

1305
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:48,000
they happen and everything and I agree
with Don I don't agree in front loing I

1306
01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:55,320
just don't I just
>> Frontloading is just an administrative

1307
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:55,320
» process It's

1308
01:44:55,920 --> 01:45:00,480
» but
>> well

1309
01:44:58,159 --> 01:45:03,840
» it's completely up to you to approve the
changes. The one change that I

1310
01:45:02,159 --> 01:45:07,119
definitely need and if you want to amend
the resolution I'm totally fine with

1311
01:45:05,760 --> 01:45:12,000
that. But the one change that I
absolutely need is [snorts] to the

1312
01:45:09,840 --> 01:45:17,760
notice of the second employment. There's
liability reasons why we need to be in

1313
01:45:14,719 --> 01:45:23,040
not just informed but must be told
because we have workers comp issues that

1314
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:29,440
come up and people don't tell us that
they have that second job um and things

1315
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:33,119
happen um
performance issues that can happen here

1316
01:45:31,440 --> 01:45:37,360
when we don't know about that second
job. So the reason for the change is

1317
01:45:35,199 --> 01:45:45,119
because our policy was not strong enough
to begin with. So, the must and the

1318
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:47,760
shall are um directed by our attorneys.
>> I have a question about that or

1319
01:45:46,800 --> 01:45:52,000
statement.
>> Yes.

1320
01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:54,960
» To
>> Oh, really?

1321
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:59,360
» Um
>> go ahead, Dad.

1322
01:45:55,760 --> 01:46:03,920
» So, so
to require

1323
01:46:01,440 --> 01:46:06,400
to require that you approve me getting
another job is one thing. It's not

1324
01:46:06,080 --> 01:46:09,760
really
>> for Well, that's where I'm going.

1325
01:46:09,199 --> 01:46:17,760
» Yeah.
>> Uh to require me saying, "Oh, I want to

1326
01:46:13,199 --> 01:46:23,760
go get a job selling drinks, bartender,
and and you approve me going get that

1327
01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:28,400
job is one thing. For me to be required
to tell you, I have a second job and

1328
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:31,199
it's selling drinks."
>> Mhm.

1329
01:46:29,280 --> 01:46:32,239
» Um what?
>> Huh?

1330
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:34,000
» Selling what?
>> Drinks.

1331
01:46:32,719 --> 01:46:39,920
» Oh, drinks.
>> That's what we do. we drink

1332
01:46:37,119 --> 01:46:46,639
um being a bartender or whatever it is
there those are two different statements

1333
01:46:42,239 --> 01:46:51,040
» so I I don't need approval from you from
village not you personally I don't need

1334
01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:55,199
approval from the village to get a
second job but I do need to tell you

1335
01:46:52,800 --> 01:47:02,080
that I have a second job this needs to
be carefully worded accordingly right is

1336
01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:08,400
that where you're going with this yes
>> yes and perhaps John should weigh in on

1337
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:14,639
this as far as what would make it
acceptable at the same time not begging

1338
01:47:11,199 --> 01:47:18,320
to be able to have another job.
>> Yeah. I mean, so my labor partner worked

1339
01:47:16,639 --> 01:47:21,679
on this with with Jamie, but I think I
hear what you're saying and I think I

1340
01:47:19,840 --> 01:47:27,040
hear what Jaime's saying and it sounds
like the issue is we want to make sure

1341
01:47:24,480 --> 01:47:36,080
that we as a village are informed and
that is the mandatory the must shall and

1342
01:47:30,639 --> 01:47:41,520
the the issue is about the um
the the approval of the second job. And

1343
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:44,719
I guess it I'd have to get further
clarification from my labor partner

1344
01:47:43,119 --> 01:47:49,679
because I could see the one hand where
we say yes, you know, serving drinks

1345
01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:53,360
isn't a conflict with the village, but
if you get an if you have an injury on

1346
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:56,800
that job and then you try to make a
workers's comp claim on the village

1347
01:47:55,199 --> 01:48:01,119
workers comp because maybe we have
better workers comp coverage, that could

1348
01:47:59,199 --> 01:48:05,280
be an issue that we would want to make
sure that um that not only we're not

1349
01:48:03,679 --> 01:48:08,320
aware that we're aware of it, but we
want to protect ourselves. So I have to

1350
01:48:07,040 --> 01:48:14,560
I have to get a little bit more
clarification on on on whether that is

1351
01:48:11,520 --> 01:48:17,679
something that is that we truly need to
protect ourselves. So I I I think I need

1352
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:21,199
to get my get
>> I think that I think that's where the

1353
01:48:18,719 --> 01:48:24,639
must inform comes into place, not must
request permission.

1354
01:48:23,199 --> 01:48:28,320
» Yeah, that that's what I think too. But
that's why I say I just need to I need

1355
01:48:26,320 --> 01:48:34,239
to I mean I can step out and try to give
her a ring to see um what the the status

1356
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:37,280
is on that as to the the the
must shall. So, if you guys give me a

1357
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:41,040
couple minutes, I'm happy to step out
and see if I can reach her right now.

1358
01:48:38,639 --> 01:48:43,600
» I think her change of word is perfect.
>> Most

1359
01:48:42,159 --> 01:48:48,960
» Well, while you're doing that, why don't
we open this up to public com is there

1360
01:48:46,719 --> 01:48:53,280
any public comment on this, Marty?
>> I don't have anyone signed up for it.

1361
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:57,679
» After all of that controversy, is there
any public comment perhaps out in the

1362
01:48:56,400 --> 01:49:01,679
» Obviously, we covered it all.
>> Just just one comment. I'm getting word

1363
01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:06,080
that the public feed is not um going
through. So, I don't know if Vince or

1364
01:49:03,040 --> 01:49:09,199
somebody can verify that
>> what

1365
01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:10,639
» we're not on we're not on the air you're
saying

1366
01:49:09,600 --> 01:49:15,440
» right
>> or we're not being heard

1367
01:49:12,320 --> 01:49:17,600
» both the feed is not happening so just
>> wonderful

1368
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:20,800
» okay it
>> and thank you for all your questions

1369
01:49:18,719 --> 01:49:25,360
» just a good time to take a quick break
ladies

1370
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:30,880
» nobody's thrown candy at me
>> okay I'm getting thrown in okay may

1371
01:49:28,480 --> 01:49:35,679
perhaps see that that's an indication it
is a good time to take a quick little

1372
01:49:32,719 --> 01:49:37,119
break um So, I'm going to call a five
minute break.

1373
01:49:36,560 --> 01:49:41,159
» That's fine.
>> Five minute.

1374
01:49:37,679 --> 01:49:41,159
» Don't take me long.

1375
01:58:36,000 --> 01:58:42,239
Okay, we're back on now. Let's uh let's
finish up where we're at here.

1376
01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:46,960
» Let's grill Jamie.
>> Let's grill Jamie some more. Let's do

1377
01:58:44,960 --> 01:58:51,920
» We're still on tap seven. And we're
>> Jamie's got a birthday this weekend, Mr.

1378
01:58:50,800 --> 01:58:54,560
Mr. Mayor Horton.
>> You You do too.

1379
01:58:53,040 --> 01:58:56,800
» Yeah. You didn't read the birthdays for
September.

1380
01:58:54,960 --> 01:59:00,719
» Bring my birthday. I'll do that. I'll do
that Thursday night so that you

1381
01:58:58,320 --> 01:59:03,920
» Sam's gonna be old. Oh jeez. This
weekend. [laughter]

1382
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:06,480
» All right. I think what she's saying is
don't pick on her anymore.

1383
01:59:05,119 --> 01:59:13,440
» Don't pick on me.
>> That's it. All right. So, we didn't have

1384
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:17,520
any public comment.
>> So, Ron, did you have Oh, I'm sorry.

1385
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:20,320
» Yep. John,
>> I did I was able to get a hold of

1386
01:59:18,639 --> 01:59:23,520
Allison and of course there was no
public comment when I was Give me a

1387
01:59:22,239 --> 01:59:28,480
couple minutes. So, [laughter]
>> thank you for taking the break. Yes,

1388
01:59:24,880 --> 01:59:32,400
sir. Um she's so uh I think we we have
some language I think we can suggest to

1389
01:59:30,480 --> 01:59:38,320
work. She did say it's important to have
the um uh the approval in there because

1390
01:59:35,119 --> 01:59:43,520
of of uh it protects the village from
there's potential ethics ethical issues

1391
01:59:40,400 --> 01:59:46,719
as well as potential issues that um that
you that may not you may not even be

1392
01:59:45,360 --> 01:59:50,719
aware of when it comes to procurement
type items and things like that. I did

1393
01:59:48,960 --> 01:59:54,880
explain to her and I proposed some
language that I thought would based on

1394
01:59:52,960 --> 01:59:59,520
the conversation I thought might work
for you all and and might be uh you

1395
01:59:56,960 --> 02:00:05,119
might be open to and she was okay with
it. And it was it was to include

1396
02:00:02,239 --> 02:00:10,400
language in the approval requirement
that says um which shall not be

1397
02:00:07,440 --> 02:00:16,880
reasonably withhel withheld which shall
not be unreasonably withheld unless um

1398
02:00:13,119 --> 02:00:21,280
it uh presents a conflict of interest or
the employees or um interferes with the

1399
02:00:19,520 --> 02:00:25,119
employees performance duties. And then
that that ties it into that's the

1400
02:00:23,440 --> 02:00:28,560
language that was used in conflicting
employment. So it basically lays out

1401
02:00:27,360 --> 02:00:33,360
that the only reason it would be
withheld is if there is some sort of

1402
02:00:30,239 --> 02:00:37,520
conflict. Um whether it's
performing of performance of duties or

1403
02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:43,599
an actual conflict. So they would notify
and I'm going to I'm going to go uh you

1404
02:00:40,880 --> 02:00:47,920
know bartend over at you know ex uh
facility. You know that unless it

1405
02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:51,520
impacted their duties here that would
not we we wouldn't withhold it and that

1406
02:00:49,760 --> 02:00:56,560
would just be automatically approved.
Um, so it was just in in those instances

1407
02:00:54,239 --> 02:01:01,360
um where it presented a conflict. So
hopefully that's either sufficient or at

1408
02:00:59,440 --> 02:01:05,760
least on the way to being sufficient.
>> You you lost me back at Allison.

1409
02:01:03,378 --> 02:01:10,960
[laughter] Um so in other words, you're
going to make it the wording that you

1410
02:01:08,159 --> 02:01:14,159
just said in here. Yeah. If you were to
approve it, I would ask you to approve

1411
02:01:12,320 --> 02:01:18,400
it with that language and then that way
it's clear that as to when it could be

1412
02:01:16,719 --> 02:01:21,840
withheld and it's in those limit it's in
that limited instance where it's a where

1413
02:01:20,080 --> 02:01:26,400
it's a conflict and otherwise it's just
it goes through and it's approved.

1414
02:01:23,599 --> 02:01:30,719
» So that fixes one of the issues that we
talked about. What about your other

1415
02:01:27,920 --> 02:01:36,560
issues? Are you are are you
>> I still want to know the impact of five

1416
02:01:33,199 --> 02:01:42,719
week I'm sorry five weeks off which is a
lot and uh you know I keep going with

1417
02:01:40,159 --> 02:01:45,840
what you said when you said well those
are department heads and it doesn't

1418
02:01:44,080 --> 02:01:48,960
matter if they're gone and I'm thinking
how can that not matter

1419
02:01:47,599 --> 02:01:52,239
» for overtime purposes
>> let's take Maria

1420
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:56,639
» for overtime purposes is what I meant
because Maria nobody covers for me when

1421
02:01:55,280 --> 02:01:59,199
I'm gone
>> well but I don't have 15 years.

1422
02:01:58,639 --> 02:02:07,679
» Yeah.
>> Um but but Maria has Annie who is also

1423
02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:11,119
exempt. Annie doesn't has Maria. So
>> that's

1424
02:02:08,159 --> 02:02:16,639
» Terry covers for or Charlie covers for
Terry. So there's no overtime. We don't

1425
02:02:14,159 --> 02:02:19,599
pay overtime to exempt employees.
There's no

1426
02:02:17,679 --> 02:02:24,719
» So taking them the department's head
out. How many are there after besides

1427
02:02:22,400 --> 02:02:29,280
those two? Terry and Maria?
>> Terry, Maria, Annie. Um

1428
02:02:28,639 --> 02:02:32,159
» my concern
>> trying to run through the list.

1429
02:02:30,480 --> 02:02:34,880
» You said there's no budget impact and
there is.

1430
02:02:33,040 --> 02:02:40,560
» Well, I didn't say there was no budget
impact. I said there's a budget impact

1431
02:02:36,880 --> 02:02:47,360
if for overtime if they have to have
somebody cover a shift or something for

1432
02:02:43,360 --> 02:02:52,560
operationally like the parks and
>> that could also fit the five to 15 year

1433
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:56,159
people who have 160 hours. That's four
weeks. I just find it hard to believe

1434
02:02:54,639 --> 02:03:00,960
that something can go somewhere for four
weeks.

1435
02:02:56,480 --> 02:03:06,320
» It impacts any 40 hours. It impacts
one week, two week I mean

1436
02:03:02,800 --> 02:03:10,800
» it it does it does impact even one week.
>> Sorry.

1437
02:03:07,280 --> 02:03:16,400
» It does impact just one week also but um
do it's along those same lines what you

1438
02:03:14,159 --> 02:03:21,119
were getting towards
I don't remember reading in here but

1439
02:03:18,480 --> 02:03:25,040
it's a big manual. Um, do we have any
limit of how many weeks that they can

1440
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:29,760
take in a row or how many hours that
they can take in a row?

1441
02:03:26,800 --> 02:03:34,480
» No, it's up to the operation
currently.

1442
02:03:31,360 --> 02:03:41,040
» People can save up to 100 currently in
the in the policy the the max is 192.

1443
02:03:39,679 --> 02:03:46,000
» No, I'm just
>> Can I take Can I take 190 assuming my

1444
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:52,880
boss says yes.
>> Yes. But can I take 192 hours in a row?

1445
02:03:51,119 --> 02:03:57,520
» Can I be gone for five weeks?
>> Yes. If your boss

1446
02:03:54,480 --> 02:04:04,280
» says there's no operational impact, you
can be gone. You are entitled to all

1447
02:03:59,840 --> 02:04:04,280
those acred hours. Yes.

1448
02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:10,000
» I just find it hard to believe that
doesn't affect other people time. I

1449
02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:12,639
don't know
>> that it it could

1450
02:04:11,840 --> 02:04:16,320
» I'm sure there is
>> if you needed to repeat from a world

1451
02:04:14,159 --> 02:04:21,040
that I could only take two weeks at a
time at the most.

1452
02:04:17,679 --> 02:04:25,760
» When I um when when I when I retired
from the village, I had over well over

1453
02:04:23,360 --> 02:04:29,840
200 hours of vacation and well over 200
hours of sick leave. I could have taken

1454
02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:33,599
them all. Uh could have done like some
people and take it all at the end and

1455
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:37,760
then and then [clears throat] go away,
which really affects, you know, your job

1456
02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:43,040
opening still open. Somebody's got to
fulfill it. Uh at that time the the mil

1457
02:04:40,719 --> 02:04:47,520
village manager back then was even
talking about use it or lose it.

1458
02:04:45,360 --> 02:04:48,400
» It's that's in here. It's kind of sort
of

1459
02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:51,760
» huh
>> as part of that is in here now so much.

1460
02:04:51,440 --> 02:04:55,520
» Right.
>> Yes. They can only carry over so much.

1461
02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:57,440
» It can only carry over so much. Use it
or lose it.

1462
02:04:56,159 --> 02:05:01,840
» Let me ask you a question. Would the
odds of over I'm not staring you down

1463
02:04:59,679 --> 02:05:06,480
either at the same giving me dirty
looks. But [laughter]

1464
02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:12,639
would it
would it uh affect better if we changed

1465
02:05:09,440 --> 02:05:16,000
it so you couldn't take like Deb said,
you know, you can take two weeks, you

1466
02:05:14,000 --> 02:05:19,920
can't take five. Would that make it
lower the rate

1467
02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:25,520
of potential?
>> Um, so

1468
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:29,679
that's kind of a catch 22 because we
don't have a short-term disability

1469
02:05:28,159 --> 02:05:35,280
policy.
So, if somebody breaks their leg and all

1470
02:05:32,880 --> 02:05:40,719
they have is vacation, I can't tell them
they can't take all of their

1471
02:05:37,840 --> 02:05:43,760
» all of their vacation for a broken leg.
Um,

1472
02:05:42,320 --> 02:05:49,040
because we don't have a short-term
disability, they can use their sick time

1473
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:54,560
and any acred other PTO bank that they
have or pay time off that they have. So,

1474
02:05:51,679 --> 02:06:00,639
I'm hesitant to put something in there.
I don't think

1475
02:05:57,840 --> 02:06:06,960
» that a
department head would be okay with

1476
02:06:03,040 --> 02:06:09,199
somebody being gone for a month, but
>> um

1477
02:06:07,599 --> 02:06:11,840
» that's kind of where I was headed.
>> Yeah.

1478
02:06:09,599 --> 02:06:16,400
» For somebody to be operational four
weeks or five weeks out of a department,

1479
02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:19,520
» it's it's tough.
>> It is tough.

1480
02:06:17,440 --> 02:06:22,960
» And what's the reality of somebody how
many people actually do that? I mean,

1481
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:25,199
when was the last time you had somebody
take four weeks off or or even request

1482
02:06:24,880 --> 02:06:28,262
it?
>> Now that we're asking that didn't break

1483
02:06:27,199 --> 02:06:28,719
their leg.
>> [laughter]

1484
02:06:28,400 --> 02:06:31,119
» Yeah.
>> That didn't break their leg.

1485
02:06:29,760 --> 02:06:37,119
» They were just going on vacation.
>> Just going on vacation. It I none I mean

1486
02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:42,880
that I can recall.
>> So So have you compared these policies

1487
02:06:40,400 --> 02:06:48,880
with other municipalities? Does the
village have this extra or the the

1488
02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:54,239
county have this extra week of of time?
>> I have compared what their banks are in

1489
02:06:51,360 --> 02:06:58,880
the past. Um we're pretty comparable
bank size, but um how they actually

1490
02:06:57,840 --> 02:07:05,760
administer it,
>> this longevity thing that's coming in

1491
02:07:01,119 --> 02:07:10,320
here, is that normal in other circles?
>> Is this where did this idea come from?

1492
02:07:09,599 --> 02:07:14,167
» Cocktails.
>> Yes.

1493
02:07:12,147 --> 02:07:14,167
[laughter]

1494
02:07:17,119 --> 02:07:25,520
um
engagement ideas from the engagement

1495
02:07:22,079 --> 02:07:30,480
team. Um
five weeks isn't

1496
02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:35,599
I know it feels like a lot.
>> Yeah, it's a lot.

1497
02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:42,239
» But for longevity, it's
it's less than the firefighters get.

1498
02:07:37,920 --> 02:07:48,480
It's um that which doesn't help. But now
the firefighters have of course that's a

1499
02:07:45,520 --> 02:07:52,079
contract negotiation thing may come up
someday soon

1500
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:55,360
» but but now they have to schedule all of
their time well in advance at the

1501
02:07:54,320 --> 02:07:57,679
beginning of the year or something.
Right.

1502
02:07:56,000 --> 02:08:02,719
» There's some contractual term
terminology in there for how they need

1503
02:07:59,440 --> 02:08:08,639
to schedule their time, but it's
I that's up to Chief Abel how he

1504
02:08:05,119 --> 02:08:12,000
administers that in his department.
>> Well, it's in a contract. It's in the

1505
02:08:10,560 --> 02:08:15,440
contract. Isn't that something that has
to be lived up to or something?

1506
02:08:14,960 --> 02:08:20,159
» Yeah,
>> it should be. If I mean, unless I mean,

1507
02:08:18,560 --> 02:08:25,360
if everybody's okay with it and they're
not grieving it, then

1508
02:08:22,079 --> 02:08:29,199
» Got you.
>> I I don't feel a I don't see a comfort

1509
02:08:27,840 --> 02:08:31,760
level up here, but I'm going to
>> I don't feel one either. I'm not very

1510
02:08:31,119 --> 02:08:34,239
comfortable right now.
>> I'm not feeling a warm and fuzzy. Deb,

1511
02:08:33,360 --> 02:08:41,520
your mic's on.
>> Yes, [laughter] it is on. Um,

1512
02:08:38,639 --> 02:08:46,639
I do know companies that that do five
weeks for long term and I I really don't

1513
02:08:44,719 --> 02:08:51,599
have a problem with that. I'm just
trying to get comfortable with

1514
02:08:48,800 --> 02:08:56,800
» how we're covering it um how much it's
going to cost us otherwise.

1515
02:08:54,239 --> 02:09:02,239
Um, and if you're saying that it's only
in the critical departments and

1516
02:09:00,159 --> 02:09:07,119
your first stab at it would be under
$10,000, we're not talking millions of

1517
02:09:05,440 --> 02:09:09,040
dollars here on it.
>> Yeah.

1518
02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:13,960
» Um,
I think also um

1519
02:09:16,480 --> 02:09:26,400
Yeah, there's there's just some some
I think we ought to limit how much

1520
02:09:23,920 --> 02:09:32,320
people can take unless it's under
certain circumstances. How much vacation

1521
02:09:29,920 --> 02:09:38,719
time that they can take in a row, that's
vacation time. If they have a broken leg

1522
02:09:35,679 --> 02:09:44,239
and they're taking PTO plus and they
need more time that, you know, we can

1523
02:09:40,719 --> 02:09:48,400
write that into the policy that uh under
circumstances you can use your vacation

1524
02:09:46,400 --> 02:09:52,880
time with it or something. it.
>> Um,

1525
02:09:50,960 --> 02:09:55,920
» I don't think we've ever I think you're
probably right. We probably have never

1526
02:09:54,400 --> 02:09:58,239
had it, but now that we've said it out
loud, somebody might think of that.

1527
02:09:57,864 --> 02:10:03,360
[laughter]
>> I I mean, I have some other department

1528
02:10:00,079 --> 02:10:07,280
heads here tonight that might be able to
I mean,

1529
02:10:05,199 --> 02:10:11,599
one way or the other, it doesn't matter
to me administrative wise. I They put

1530
02:10:09,920 --> 02:10:15,920
their request in, I approve it, I
process payroll.

1531
02:10:13,520 --> 02:10:18,880
But um feedback from the employees is
really what I'm just trying to convey.

1532
02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:23,440
» So
>> okay.

1533
02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:26,480
» Yeah. I mean I'd like to see a chart of
the personnel in terms of the

1534
02:10:25,040 --> 02:10:30,320
implications. It doesn't have to be the
name specifically but like what they do

1535
02:10:28,960 --> 02:10:34,719
and so we could get a better
understanding of what because we say may

1536
02:10:32,639 --> 02:10:37,840
have implications on the budget. If we
can get a chart we can kind of I think

1537
02:10:36,320 --> 02:10:42,960
that would be a little bit more clear to
see what if any implications are going

1538
02:10:40,400 --> 02:10:48,239
to be with specific positions. Thank
you, Steve. I uh so I'm hearing that

1539
02:10:46,480 --> 02:10:50,719
this thing isn't fully cooked and why
don't we not [laughter]

1540
02:10:49,760 --> 02:10:54,800
» I can keep cooking.
>> Why don't we why don't we let this bake

1541
02:10:52,639 --> 02:11:00,000
a little bit longer and see if we can
get some, you know, more uh feedback

1542
02:10:57,760 --> 02:11:03,119
from the council and maybe discussions
with council and see if we can get this

1543
02:11:01,840 --> 02:11:08,800
thing.
>> She asked for the one section to if we'd

1544
02:11:06,320 --> 02:11:13,520
approved the one section about outside
employment.

1545
02:11:10,320 --> 02:11:17,520
Uh, can we go ahead and approve that so
that she can move ahead with that or

1546
02:11:16,560 --> 02:11:21,440
does everybody want
>> that help you right now?

1547
02:11:19,840 --> 02:11:23,440
» Yeah, that's the one that I kind of
really need to hear.

1548
02:11:22,079 --> 02:11:28,800
» That's the one you need right now.
>> Yeah,

1549
02:11:25,119 --> 02:11:33,360
» John, can we have the wording? Uh, can
we

1550
02:11:30,400 --> 02:11:39,360
go through this, revise this resolution
just to address that portion of this and

1551
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:43,599
and then get that done for Jamie now and
then talk about this other when it's a

1552
02:11:41,760 --> 02:11:48,719
better time? Yeah, I think you can do it
if you do it as a motion to um to

1553
02:11:46,159 --> 02:11:54,239
approve with the amendment that it um it
be limited to the conflicting employment

1554
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:58,320
changes and consistent with the uh the
language that I um uh I read off a short

1555
02:11:57,760 --> 02:12:02,400
while ago.
>> Okay. So before we do that, is there any

1556
02:12:00,639 --> 02:12:07,920
more public comment that we might want
to have before we move on to the next

1557
02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:10,719
No. Marne?
>> No, sir.

1558
02:12:08,719 --> 02:12:15,599
» Very good. Public comment is closed. I
want somebody to repeat exactly what

1559
02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:19,199
John said in that motion and we'll move
forward.

1560
02:12:17,199 --> 02:12:21,920
» What John said in that motion. I make
that motion.

1561
02:12:19,920 --> 02:12:25,896
» You make that motion. Exactly. Okay. Do
I have for that?

1562
02:12:23,679 --> 02:12:29,280
» You got that, Marne?
[laughter]

1563
02:12:26,320 --> 02:12:33,679
» Do I have a second for the warning on
that?

1564
02:12:32,079 --> 02:12:37,280
» Goodness. Yes. Go ahead.
>> Okay. We have a [laughter] motion and a

1565
02:12:35,360 --> 02:12:41,280
second. I think we ought to call the
role. Marne.

1566
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:43,679
Council member Deb Gillis,
>> yes.

1567
02:12:42,320 --> 02:12:46,000
» Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney,
>> yes.

1568
02:12:44,480 --> 02:12:48,159
» Council member Steve Freriedman,
>> yes.

1569
02:12:46,719 --> 02:12:50,400
» Council member Anna Richards,
>> yes.

1570
02:12:49,199 --> 02:12:52,960
» Mayor Don Horton,
>> yes.

1571
02:12:50,960 --> 02:12:56,880
» Okay, that motion passes 5-0.
>> Very good.

1572
02:12:55,199 --> 02:13:01,159
» Sorry about that, Jamie.
>> Thank you. It's okay.

1573
02:12:58,159 --> 02:13:01,159
» Okay.

1574
02:13:02,239 --> 02:13:09,840
» I chased you away.
>> You changed shirts. Uh,

1575
02:13:07,280 --> 02:13:12,560
» it's it's you're not the public anymore.
Okay, but you still don't have your fire

1576
02:13:11,760 --> 02:13:15,280
chief.
>> You don't have your whites on for us

1577
02:13:14,239 --> 02:13:19,607
tonight, Chief.
>> Abley, where do you find this stuff?

1578
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:21,679
» I know. We're going to move on to
[laughter]

1579
02:13:20,159 --> 02:13:25,040
the next item.
>> Let's go to tab eight. That's a

1580
02:13:23,440 --> 02:13:27,040
resolution of the village council of vom
village of island violence Florida

1581
02:13:25,840 --> 02:13:31,520
approving the final rankings and
recommendations of the RFP 26-09

1582
02:13:30,000 --> 02:13:35,280
evaluation committee for selection of a
contractor for professional surface uh

1583
02:13:33,599 --> 02:13:38,560
surface repairs and exterior painting of
island fire station 20. Authorize the

1584
02:13:37,440 --> 02:13:41,920
village manager and village attorney
negotiate agreement for the services.

1585
02:13:40,560 --> 02:13:44,560
Authorize a village manager to execute
the agreement. Authorize the village

1586
02:13:43,280 --> 02:13:51,040
manager to expend budget funds and
providing an effective date. Chief, so

1587
02:13:48,400 --> 02:13:56,320
what you have before you is the approval
of the rankings of the review committee

1588
02:13:53,440 --> 02:14:02,239
for an RFP. We sent the RFP out earlier
in the year. A crew of three of us met.

1589
02:13:59,040 --> 02:14:06,159
We scored everybody. Um it was quite an
oddity when uh all the scores were

1590
02:14:04,320 --> 02:14:11,920
actually tallied up. The top two people
actually tied. So then we went back and

1591
02:14:08,800 --> 02:14:15,520
with the top two of the scores, one and
two, we looked at them and kind of dug a

1592
02:14:14,159 --> 02:14:20,320
little bit deeper. And then we actually
went with the

1593
02:14:18,400 --> 02:14:28,239
not the lowest bid but Engineer Coding
Solutions uh at a bid of 4275267.

1594
02:14:25,520 --> 02:14:33,280
Um so they were tied for top ranking on
the evaluation committee. I did put a

1595
02:14:30,239 --> 02:14:38,639
10% contingency fee in here for the not
to exceed for the contract and uh we

1596
02:14:36,239 --> 02:14:42,800
just need to get our our uh building
back watertight again. So that's what

1597
02:14:40,800 --> 02:14:46,159
this is all about. So, we haven't had
the building painted in about eight

1598
02:14:44,400 --> 02:14:49,920
years, and we're having some water
intrusion issues. So, before it creates

1599
02:14:48,159 --> 02:14:54,480
bigger issues and mold and stuff of that
nature, we're getting our water tight

1600
02:14:51,440 --> 02:14:58,719
again. It is a budgeted item, and it is
under budget.

1601
02:14:56,480 --> 02:15:02,000
» Terry, who did the specs for your uh for
your bid?

1602
02:15:00,480 --> 02:15:06,800
» Uh, for the paint,
>> it was a combination of myself, AJ, and

1603
02:15:04,400 --> 02:15:10,960
Sheila. And did you spec out exactly
which paint that you're going to use,

1604
02:15:08,880 --> 02:15:15,280
the brand and and all?
>> The type of coke, but not the name of

1605
02:15:12,880 --> 02:15:19,599
coaul. Um, the type and speck on paint
for primer and for the finish coat. Yes.

1606
02:15:17,679 --> 02:15:23,040
» And you did but you did spec out a
particular kind of paint.

1607
02:15:21,199 --> 02:15:26,960
» Yes, sir. Down to the color.
>> Okay.

1608
02:15:24,719 --> 02:15:30,079
» That was Sheila's doing.
>> Is there any public comment on this

1609
02:15:28,480 --> 02:15:33,040
item?
>> No one has signed up for it.

1610
02:15:31,440 --> 02:15:37,440
» Public comment still open. Is there
anyone would like to talk about paint on

1611
02:15:35,199 --> 02:15:42,960
a firehouse?
>> Very good. Okay. How fast is your paint

1612
02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:47,199
going to dry? The sky is beautiful right
now. Is there a motion on uh to

1613
02:15:45,280 --> 02:15:49,520
recommend painting a firehouse?
>> I'll make a motion to paint the

1614
02:15:48,639 --> 02:15:53,119
firehouse.
>> Thank you, sir.

1615
02:15:50,079 --> 02:15:57,199
» And whatever this says in the second.
>> Had a motion and second.

1616
02:15:54,960 --> 02:15:58,880
» Marne, will you call the role, please?
>> Council member Deb Gillis.

1617
02:15:58,480 --> 02:16:00,560
» Yes.
>> Council member Anna Richards.

1618
02:16:00,159 --> 02:16:04,000
» Yes.
>> Council member Steve Freriedman. Yes.

1619
02:16:02,639 --> 02:16:05,520
» Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney.
>> Yes.

1620
02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:07,679
» And Mayor Don Horton.
>> Yes.

1621
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:11,520
» That motion passes 5-0.
>> Thank you, council.

1622
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:14,400
» All right, John. Let's move it.
>> Tab nine is a resolution of the village

1623
02:16:13,040 --> 02:16:17,599
council of Alamara Village of Islands,
Florida, approving a one-year renewal of

1624
02:16:16,239 --> 02:16:21,440
the agreement for professional state
lobbying services between Grey Robinson,

1625
02:16:19,360 --> 02:16:24,079
PA and Mara Village of Islands.
Authorizing [snorts] village officials

1626
02:16:22,800 --> 02:16:26,639
to implement the terms and conditions of
the professional services agreement.

1627
02:16:25,599 --> 02:16:29,199
Authorizing the village manager to
expend budget funds. Authorizing the

1628
02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:31,920
village manager to execute the
professional services agreement.

1629
02:16:30,639 --> 02:16:34,719
providing for a waiver of competitive
bidding and providing for an effective

1630
02:16:33,200 --> 02:16:38,880
date.
>> Very good, Ron.

1631
02:16:37,040 --> 02:16:43,519
» Uh, as you recall, last year we did a
one-year extension for Gray Robinson.

1632
02:16:41,439 --> 02:16:48,240
Uh, the one year is up. Uh, the
difference between previous years was we

1633
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:53,200
requested them to add a local lobbyist,
and that was the Southern Group, Kate

1634
02:16:50,319 --> 02:16:56,960
Delo is here, and at no additional cost.
That was the agreement was that they

1635
02:16:54,399 --> 02:17:00,160
would absorb uh uh the Southern Group.
So, we basically got two of the best

1636
02:16:58,800 --> 02:17:03,840
lobbying firms in the state for the
price of one. Uh, we think that they did

1637
02:17:02,399 --> 02:17:07,519
a good job during session doing the
weekly updates. We did well with the

1638
02:17:05,280 --> 02:17:11,359
legislative preparations. Also, they
helped with the stewardship money. And

1639
02:17:09,439 --> 02:17:16,080
so, at this point, I would recommend
that we approve a one-year extension for

1640
02:17:14,399 --> 02:17:20,559
it says Gay Robinson, but it also
includes Southern Group.

1641
02:17:17,679 --> 02:17:25,840
» Very good. Thank you. Uh, is there any
council discussion about this item,

1642
02:17:24,319 --> 02:17:31,200
Steve?
I would um with with all due respect to

1643
02:17:28,880 --> 02:17:36,000
Southern and Kate and and Gay Robinson
and the work that they did for us

1644
02:17:32,880 --> 02:17:41,280
specifically um they are also hired by
the county to do um a lot of the similar

1645
02:17:39,200 --> 02:17:45,599
work that uh we asked them to do in
Marada. We just had a scientist from the

1646
02:17:43,760 --> 02:17:50,719
Everglades Foundation come and give us a
presentation and he said there are other

1647
02:17:47,760 --> 02:17:56,240
interests that want access to that water
and he did not want to say it, but what

1648
02:17:52,960 --> 02:18:01,519
he was intending to say was uh big sugar
and I would just like us to once again

1649
02:17:59,200 --> 02:18:08,160
think about looking for a lobbying firm
that is not attached to sugar to reduce

1650
02:18:04,719 --> 02:18:12,719
any sort of propriy of um conflict of
interest.

1651
02:18:09,439 --> 02:18:18,639
» All right. Thank you, Steve.
I I got to say that last year I was uh I

1652
02:18:16,960 --> 02:18:24,559
was on the fence and there had been
several years previously that uh uh when

1653
02:18:22,240 --> 02:18:29,760
I wasn't on council that I I came to
that podium and uh wanted to know why

1654
02:18:28,160 --> 02:18:35,120
the only time we heard from our
lobbyists was when it was time to renew

1655
02:18:31,439 --> 02:18:40,080
their contract. Um, I think that message
resonated to uh the folks at Gay

1656
02:18:38,000 --> 02:18:46,399
Robinson and I think Ryan Matthews
stepped up really good. Uh, bringing the

1657
02:18:43,679 --> 02:18:53,120
Southern Group on board was a huge step
for a lobby firm to bring another lobby

1658
02:18:48,800 --> 02:19:01,280
firm on board. Uh, I think that their
communication uh this year has been

1659
02:18:56,719 --> 02:19:06,800
outstanding. I think that they um
I think that something that's never been

1660
02:19:03,679 --> 02:19:13,040
done before at at at my request and at
Ron's uh request to have them during

1661
02:19:10,319 --> 02:19:19,439
legislative session give us a a Friday
update on uh exactly what was going on

1662
02:19:16,479 --> 02:19:24,000
and what we could expect. I I think that
them coming to us now and wanting to

1663
02:19:21,439 --> 02:19:27,920
know what you know those items that we
want to have brought in front of them so

1664
02:19:25,920 --> 02:19:35,439
that they can start lobbying for us and
so Kate and her folks can get to work.

1665
02:19:31,679 --> 02:19:43,120
um uh is is been outstanding and I think
they've I think they've earned it uh to

1666
02:19:39,040 --> 02:19:50,080
to uh continue to work for us and and to
bring even more dollars for us if we

1667
02:19:45,679 --> 02:19:53,439
asked for it this year. Um so I'm I I
I'm really pleased with the work that

1668
02:19:51,760 --> 02:19:56,439
they've done and and how they've stepped
up.

1669
02:19:56,640 --> 02:20:02,399
» I'm good with that.
Deb,

1670
02:20:01,120 --> 02:20:03,920
» everything you said. Yeah.
>> Plus more.

1671
02:20:03,439 --> 02:20:09,760
» Yeah.
>> Even in the years that we didn't tell

1672
02:20:06,240 --> 02:20:16,160
them things to do, they they found
things that we needed and they fought

1673
02:20:11,760 --> 02:20:19,040
for us. Um, which is commendable.
So, [clears throat]

1674
02:20:16,880 --> 02:20:23,040
um, everything you said.
>> Thank you, Dana.

1675
02:20:21,120 --> 02:20:27,120
» Everything you said and then more like
they, you know, we had extra meetings

1676
02:20:24,640 --> 02:20:30,399
this past year. Um, I think we did
better than a lot of other

1677
02:20:28,479 --> 02:20:35,760
municipalities on all of our
appropriations that we received. So, I'm

1678
02:20:33,200 --> 02:20:41,280
all for continuing with them
>> on a year when a lot of other agencies

1679
02:20:38,960 --> 02:20:46,160
were getting a no and getting a veto out
of the the governor and uh not even

1680
02:20:44,880 --> 02:20:52,080
being heard. Um,
>> we got everything we asked for. We got

1681
02:20:47,600 --> 02:20:56,080
everything we asked for and uh and and
the presentations that they gave us

1682
02:20:54,560 --> 02:21:02,439
during Florida Keys Day and the
communication they've had with us, I

1683
02:20:57,680 --> 02:21:02,439
think has been outstanding. So,

1684
02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:08,080
uh let's open this up to public comment.
Is there any public comment on this

1685
02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:11,359
item?
>> I don't have anyone signed up for it.

1686
02:21:09,680 --> 02:21:16,160
» Is there anyone would like to talk about
this item?

1687
02:21:13,600 --> 02:21:18,720
» I'll entertain a motion. I'll make a
motion to approve.

1688
02:21:17,760 --> 02:21:22,960
» Second.
>> Okay. Marne, I got a motion, a second.

1689
02:21:20,960 --> 02:21:24,479
Will you please call the role?
>> Council member Debb Gillis.

1690
02:21:24,160 --> 02:21:26,319
» Yes.
>> Council member Anna Richard.

1691
02:21:25,760 --> 02:21:29,600
» Yes.
>> Council member Steve Freriedman.

1692
02:21:27,840 --> 02:21:31,600
» No.
>> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney.

1693
02:21:31,040 --> 02:21:33,359
» Yes.
>> And Mayor Don Horton.

1694
02:21:32,720 --> 02:21:39,439
» Yes.
>> Motion passes 4 to1.

1695
02:21:36,800 --> 02:21:43,160
Steve, I I I hear you loud and clear and
I hope that we can

1696
02:21:43,680 --> 02:21:49,920
put that message out there that that
there's an importance

1697
02:21:47,760 --> 02:21:54,240
of what has to happen in the Everglades
and and and what we're looking for that.

1698
02:21:52,720 --> 02:21:58,000
Thank you for that.
>> Thank you.

1699
02:21:56,640 --> 02:22:01,520
» All right, let's move to the next
resolution. Tab 10 is a resolution of

1700
02:22:00,160 --> 02:22:04,399
village council of Isamata village of
Islands, Florida accepting the grant

1701
02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:09,200
award from the Florida Department of
Transportation for design of the Imamada

1702
02:22:06,399 --> 02:22:13,000
US Highway 1 breakwater project at Coots
Beach FM458469-1-34-01

1703
02:22:14,399 --> 02:22:18,640
approving the state funded grant
agreement between the Florida Department

1704
02:22:16,960 --> 02:22:22,720
of Transportation and Island Village of
Islands to provide reimbursement funding

1705
02:22:20,479 --> 02:22:25,040
for the project of up to $300,000.
Authorizing the village manager to

1706
02:22:23,840 --> 02:22:27,520
execute the agreement authorizing
village officials to implement the terms

1707
02:22:26,319 --> 02:22:30,240
and conditions of the agreement.
authorized the village manager to expend

1708
02:22:29,040 --> 02:22:32,960
budgeted funds and providing an
effective date.

1709
02:22:31,840 --> 02:22:37,359
» Peter.
>> Okay. Thanks, John. And good evening,

1710
02:22:35,040 --> 02:22:42,560
council. So, as you are likely aware by
now, the village is looking to construct

1711
02:22:39,280 --> 02:22:46,960
a living shoreline/breakwater
just offshore of Sea Oats Beach. We're

1712
02:22:44,560 --> 02:22:52,800
looking to do this in about 2 to 3 feet
of water on average and about 75 to 100

1713
02:22:49,920 --> 02:22:57,439
ft off the uh mean high water line. Uh I
would like to note that this is a

1714
02:22:55,040 --> 02:23:03,200
different completely separate project
from what we heard uh the the group uh

1715
02:23:00,720 --> 02:23:06,000
reef starter the reef starter firm they
are proposing to do a

1716
02:23:04,319 --> 02:23:12,160
breakwater/artificial
reef much farther offshore of Seth Beach

1717
02:23:08,960 --> 02:23:16,240
and about 6 to 7 feet of water over 1200
feet offshore so different projects

1718
02:23:14,479 --> 02:23:20,240
however they are complimentary and they
would benefit one another um but we are

1719
02:23:18,640 --> 02:23:22,960
proposing something much different I
know there's been a lot of questions

1720
02:23:21,200 --> 02:23:27,680
just the past couple weeks speaks about
the two projects. Um, so where we are

1721
02:23:25,520 --> 02:23:30,880
with this project, we are just wrapping
up the design work. You've heard me talk

1722
02:23:29,439 --> 02:23:34,319
for about the past two years on this
project. We went through a feasibility

1723
02:23:32,399 --> 02:23:40,399
study, preliminary design. We are
wrapping up our design right now. Uh, it

1724
02:23:37,439 --> 02:23:45,040
was in October uh 2025. We did submit
for a uh local initiative uh state

1725
02:23:42,800 --> 02:23:48,080
funding request to help fund the
remainder of our preconstruction

1726
02:23:46,640 --> 02:23:50,880
activities that go along with this
project. The main thing is the

1727
02:23:49,359 --> 02:23:54,560
permitting. That's going to be the
biggest part of this biggest hurdle

1728
02:23:52,399 --> 02:23:57,200
really for this this project is the
permitting. Something like this has

1729
02:23:55,920 --> 02:24:00,720
never been done in Monroe counties.
We're working in outstanding Florida

1730
02:23:58,640 --> 02:24:05,280
water. There's never been any type of
fill material deposited in a near

1731
02:24:03,120 --> 02:24:09,680
offshore environment like this. So,
we're looking for a we have a quite a

1732
02:24:08,000 --> 02:24:15,120
bit of permitting, probably over a year
process here. Um, we were notified that

1733
02:24:13,120 --> 02:24:20,479
we were given the award, so that was in
uh late spring, early summer uh of

1734
02:24:17,760 --> 02:24:24,720
$300,000. Our request was 300,000. We
are being awarded $300,000 for the the

1735
02:24:23,040 --> 02:24:28,880
permitting activities for this project.
So exciting and news. We do Kate's still

1736
02:24:26,960 --> 02:24:32,319
here. We want to thank Kate and the rest
of our lo lobbying team with Gray

1737
02:24:30,720 --> 02:24:36,080
Robinson. They did a great job for us
this year. We got all four of the state

1738
02:24:34,080 --> 02:24:38,800
appropriation request we submitted for
us. So we got a lot we have a lot of

1739
02:24:37,280 --> 02:24:42,000
money this year to work with and some
really interesting projects. So before

1740
02:24:40,800 --> 02:24:46,319
you this evening, we're just approving
the grant agreement. We have to execute

1741
02:24:43,520 --> 02:24:49,600
a grant agreement uh with the state uh
to receive the funding. and wanted to

1742
02:24:48,000 --> 02:24:53,359
bring this before the council. We need a
resolution in order to do that. And also

1743
02:24:52,000 --> 02:24:58,160
just wanted to highlight the uh you know
the award and uh the project we want to

1744
02:24:55,359 --> 02:25:01,520
move forward with. So staff are
recommending approval of an adoption of

1745
02:25:00,160 --> 02:25:04,560
the resolution to
>> Thank you agreement.

1746
02:25:03,040 --> 02:25:10,399
» I think we also need to give a big
thanks out there to Rep. Mooney and uh

1747
02:25:07,680 --> 02:25:15,840
Ann Maria Rodriguez as well. I I think
they're they're being extremely helpful

1748
02:25:12,960 --> 02:25:19,520
to us for our environmental projects and
what we're doing. We're the the

1749
02:25:18,080 --> 02:25:23,760
environmental projects that we're doing
in Alamron are unprecedented and I thank

1750
02:25:22,240 --> 02:25:29,439
you for the hard work that you're doing
on this and and uh I think this is an

1751
02:25:26,960 --> 02:25:35,600
awesome project that I I'm so looking
forward to this happening and and uh of

1752
02:25:32,640 --> 02:25:39,439
course in concert with you know with our
fishing captains and making sure that

1753
02:25:38,080 --> 02:25:44,800
they're aware that we're not going to
harm any uh you know tarpon migration

1754
02:25:42,319 --> 02:25:49,040
areas or anything like that like reef
this reef

1755
02:25:46,640 --> 02:25:54,399
builders might be getting in the middle
of this thing is so far inshore that

1756
02:25:51,680 --> 02:25:56,080
it's not going to affect that.
>> So, uh,

1757
02:25:55,520 --> 02:26:01,200
» correct.
>> Council lady, any comments, Deb?

1758
02:25:58,720 --> 02:26:05,120
» Yes, I wanted to comment on the matching
funds. Um,

1759
02:26:03,439 --> 02:26:07,680
tell everybody what you told me about
the matching funds.

1760
02:26:06,399 --> 02:26:14,399
» That's a good point. I meant to mention
that. So, there is a $105,000 match with

1761
02:26:11,280 --> 02:26:19,120
this. However, we are able to use the
all the design work we've already done.

1762
02:26:16,319 --> 02:26:23,359
We've done over $105,000 worth of design
work. So, that can be utilized as the

1763
02:26:21,600 --> 02:26:29,200
match for this project. So, we're not
putting out any more u funds or money um

1764
02:26:27,040 --> 02:26:31,600
for this $300,000
>> for this portion.

1765
02:26:30,080 --> 02:26:34,720
» For this portion, correct?
>> Thank you.

1766
02:26:32,960 --> 02:26:37,840
» Yeah. I don't want the message out there
that it's the rest is free too.

1767
02:26:37,520 --> 02:26:42,000
Yes.
>> Yeah.

1768
02:26:40,399 --> 02:26:46,560
Steve.
>> Um, yeah, it's just uh amazing to me to

1769
02:26:44,160 --> 02:26:50,880
think that uh this $300,000 grant is
really just for the the the permitting

1770
02:26:48,800 --> 02:26:54,880
process. It kind of gives you an idea of
the of the scale of this thing and uh um

1771
02:26:53,120 --> 02:26:59,280
I think it's great and yeah, I'll take
the money.

1772
02:26:55,680 --> 02:27:02,240
» Yeah, for sure. Anna, anything?
>> Vice Mayor,

1773
02:27:00,720 --> 02:27:03,680
» is there any public comment on this
item?

1774
02:27:02,880 --> 02:27:06,560
» There is.
>> Let's do it.

1775
02:27:04,479 --> 02:27:12,800
» All right. First up is Joe Wishmire.
>> Welcome, Joe. Sorry.

1776
02:27:10,240 --> 02:27:17,920
It was mainly for you,
>> Joe Plantation Key. Uh, I guess I was

1777
02:27:16,160 --> 02:27:22,160
just a little confused on the two and I
was hoping that Peter might be able to

1778
02:27:19,200 --> 02:27:27,359
explain why we would need one inshore
and one offshore. Um, because I'm I'm

1779
02:27:25,359 --> 02:27:31,280
guessing that this grant is for the two
different projects. This doesn't have

1780
02:27:29,120 --> 02:27:34,640
anything to do with the one offshore.
>> It's only for the one that's inshore.

1781
02:27:32,960 --> 02:27:39,680
» That's correct. And I'm just wondering
why we need both of them just for a

1782
02:27:37,760 --> 02:27:43,680
little clarity. That's all.
>> Thank you, Joe. I I think Peter will

1783
02:27:41,680 --> 02:27:48,000
explain that that that was just a
presentation the other day. It was not

1784
02:27:45,520 --> 02:27:50,960
something that was necessarily
>> contemplated, but it was a good

1785
02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:56,000
presentation
>> and that's a a fair question. So, just

1786
02:27:53,920 --> 02:28:00,399
I'll start off with saying we developed
this project long before we knew

1787
02:27:57,920 --> 02:28:03,680
anything about restarter. This was a
number one project in the vulnerability

1788
02:28:02,399 --> 02:28:07,600
assessment. and the village worked on
for years. the required vulnerability

1789
02:28:05,359 --> 02:28:12,160
assessment number one project try and
stabilize the shoreline at Seotes Beach

1790
02:28:09,760 --> 02:28:16,240
highly vulnerable and we have US1 right
there the most vulnerable part of US1 we

1791
02:28:14,640 --> 02:28:20,399
have a beach that is completely washed
away so we're looking to create some

1792
02:28:18,240 --> 02:28:26,240
habitat and stabilize the shoreline so
that's why our engineers developed this

1793
02:28:22,640 --> 02:28:31,760
project later on so year and a half
later restarter came to us to explain

1794
02:28:29,600 --> 02:28:36,479
what they were looking to do a much
farther offshore project. Um, really

1795
02:28:34,640 --> 02:28:40,000
more of an artificial reef project
really than a wave attenuation thing.

1796
02:28:38,479 --> 02:28:45,040
Super interesting, right, with what's
going on with our our reefs these days.

1797
02:28:42,240 --> 02:28:49,680
So, this this doesn't impact our project
affect or negatively affect our project

1798
02:28:47,120 --> 02:28:53,920
at all. It can only benefit. So, again,
they are looking to attenuate waves to

1799
02:28:52,080 --> 02:28:59,359
stabilize the shoreline to minimize
damage to that shoreline and US1. All it

1800
02:28:56,960 --> 02:29:04,240
does is help, benefit, complement our
project. So, we don't have a problem

1801
02:29:01,040 --> 02:29:08,080
with it. and the the added effect of an
artificial reef. Super interesting. Like

1802
02:29:06,240 --> 02:29:13,120
our project isn't going to be that much
of an artificial reef, it's going to be

1803
02:29:10,319 --> 02:29:16,720
very shallow. But there certainly is. Uh
and artificial reefs are are a big topic

1804
02:29:15,120 --> 02:29:20,000
these days. As you know, the county's
going through it. The state's going

1805
02:29:17,840 --> 02:29:25,359
through it. So, we support them because
it can only benefit our project.

1806
02:29:23,040 --> 02:29:30,479
» Yeah, there's so many neat technologies
now. And this res this presentation that

1807
02:29:28,160 --> 02:29:34,240
that Restarter gave us was really good.
But in one of these days, we probably

1808
02:29:31,920 --> 02:29:38,880
ought to have a presentation from a
company by the name of Kind Designs and

1809
02:29:36,160 --> 02:29:46,080
have them come and talk to us about what
they can do on uh uh on seaw walls and

1810
02:29:42,399 --> 02:29:50,880
and uh wave deflection and those kind of
things because we need to keep up with

1811
02:29:48,080 --> 02:29:54,960
this technology and like what Peter's
doing now, we need to be first first out

1812
02:29:53,120 --> 02:29:59,200
of the box to take care of these things.
We're we're already doing great things

1813
02:29:57,040 --> 02:30:03,840
down lower mat company. We need to
continue to do that all the way through

1814
02:30:01,439 --> 02:30:07,520
the village and and be, you know, be
that the ones that are starting these

1815
02:30:06,000 --> 02:30:10,000
trends going.
>> Yep.

1816
02:30:08,160 --> 02:30:13,520
» I just wanted to make the comment that
to make it clear that the the

1817
02:30:11,920 --> 02:30:18,800
presentation that we had the other day
was just an inform

1818
02:30:16,240 --> 02:30:25,120
presentation. We have no commitments to
it. We have nothing that's to come.

1819
02:30:21,920 --> 02:30:29,120
Maybe, maybe not. Maybe another company.
But at least it's information that we

1820
02:30:26,880 --> 02:30:31,920
can put in our pocket to have for future
use.

1821
02:30:30,080 --> 02:30:37,319
» Thank you. Marty, is there any other
public comment?

1822
02:30:33,359 --> 02:30:37,319
» Yes, sir. Nancy Carajio.

1823
02:30:37,680 --> 02:30:45,359
» Welcome.
>> Hi.

1824
02:30:42,080 --> 02:30:52,240
» Hi, Deb. Um,
I have um I'd like to say that uh I've

1825
02:30:49,120 --> 02:30:57,680
been here 26 years. I study marine
science.

1826
02:30:53,680 --> 02:31:06,399
I um Seats Beach is one of the places
that I study at and we have spent $10

1827
02:31:02,800 --> 02:31:11,840
million to move the power poles. We have
spent $18 million

1828
02:31:09,359 --> 02:31:15,920
to raise the road.
Okay. What are these barriers going to

1829
02:31:14,240 --> 02:31:24,080
do
to get the ocean away from US1

1830
02:31:19,840 --> 02:31:28,560
so it does not buckle the road again?
>> Right.

1831
02:31:24,880 --> 02:31:35,040
» What that doesn't do us any good
to put barriers out

1832
02:31:32,319 --> 02:31:43,200
so many feet offshore.
Okay. We need to fix US1 now, not wait

1833
02:31:39,520 --> 02:31:50,080
until Irma or another storm comes. We
need to get the ocean away from US1.

1834
02:31:47,520 --> 02:31:57,359
The only way you're going to do that is
to renourish the beach. I've lived in

1835
02:31:53,040 --> 02:32:03,520
Florida all my life and every beach I've
ever lived on from Clearwater Beach, Dun

1836
02:31:59,920 --> 02:32:09,840
Eden Beach, Indian Rocks Beach to here
has reourish their beach. We put money

1837
02:32:06,640 --> 02:32:17,359
aside every year and any storm that
comes, we reourish our beaches. Okay?

1838
02:32:14,800 --> 02:32:21,200
A barrier out there is not going to do
us any good.

1839
02:32:19,600 --> 02:32:28,399
You might as well wait for the parrot
fish to poop enough sand out. I'm sorry.

1840
02:32:24,880 --> 02:32:34,080
That's the way it works. I mean, think
about how much sand the parrot fish do.

1841
02:32:31,600 --> 02:32:37,080
Anyways, that's not going to help us
one.

1842
02:32:38,240 --> 02:32:41,520
» Thank you so much.
>> Sorry.

1843
02:32:40,160 --> 02:32:46,000
» Thank you so much.
>> You're welcome.

1844
02:32:43,680 --> 02:32:49,200
» Peter, can you can you fill in the the
blank on that for us, please?

1845
02:32:47,920 --> 02:32:52,880
» Sure.
and we've done it before and we can

1846
02:32:51,280 --> 02:32:57,040
continue to do it until it happens.
>> So, with all due respect, you can't

1847
02:32:54,800 --> 02:33:01,200
renourish that beach. You cannot put
sand there unless you move the road.

1848
02:32:59,840 --> 02:33:05,760
What's going to happen if we put sand
there and there's a tropical storm or a

1849
02:33:02,720 --> 02:33:08,880
hurricane? All of that sand is gone
instantly. Where's it going to go?

1850
02:33:08,479 --> 02:33:12,720
» Right.
>> In everyone's backyard and in the canal.

1851
02:33:11,439 --> 02:33:16,479
Then we're going to be responsible.
Who's responsible for that? The village.

1852
02:33:14,720 --> 02:33:21,359
Yes. getting all that sand out of
everyone's yards, off the streets, out

1853
02:33:18,560 --> 02:33:25,200
of the canals. Millions and millions of
dollars. We can't put sand on that

1854
02:33:23,040 --> 02:33:27,840
beach. It's unfortunate. I understand.
>> That's not true. We're not going to have

1855
02:33:27,120 --> 02:33:31,680
an exchange.
>> I want to see a big I would love to see

1856
02:33:29,760 --> 02:33:36,479
a big beach there. There's never going
to be a beach there if the road stays

1857
02:33:33,920 --> 02:33:41,280
where it is. It's the road. The ocean is
on the road. We would need to move the

1858
02:33:38,880 --> 02:33:44,800
road to reourish the beach. The sand is
never going to stay there. The sea

1859
02:33:42,560 --> 02:33:47,920
level's rising. It's all going to move
into the canals, people's backyards. We

1860
02:33:46,960 --> 02:33:50,720
can't do that.
>> But this will, this will help replenish

1861
02:33:50,319 --> 02:33:54,880
that.
>> Yes. So, all of the wave, we've done

1862
02:33:52,479 --> 02:33:57,520
extensive wave modeling. It knocks wave
energy down. That's what we're looking

1863
02:33:56,479 --> 02:34:01,680
to do.
>> Knock wave energy down. If there's a

1864
02:33:59,120 --> 02:34:05,359
category 5 storm, 20 ft of water goes
over the road. Okay, maybe it's not

1865
02:34:03,359 --> 02:34:10,560
going to help. But for our day-to-day
storms, you know, tropical storm,

1866
02:34:08,080 --> 02:34:14,240
category 1, two, three storm, sure, all
the modeling shows it. We've had

1867
02:34:12,160 --> 02:34:19,120
extensive engineering done on this. It
knocks the wave energy down, hence less

1868
02:34:16,800 --> 02:34:23,200
damage to the shoreline.
And we're creating habitat. That's a

1869
02:34:20,960 --> 02:34:25,840
fact. That's why we're doing this.
>> Thank you, Peter.

1870
02:34:24,160 --> 02:34:28,399
» Sure.
>> Thank you, Marne. Is there any other

1871
02:34:27,280 --> 02:34:31,600
public comment?
>> No, sir.

1872
02:34:29,280 --> 02:34:37,520
» Okay. Council Steve.
>> Yeah. I um I'm trying to think of what

1873
02:34:34,960 --> 02:34:42,479
the term is. I I think we're we're
treating the symptom and not the cause,

1874
02:34:39,600 --> 02:34:46,960
but at least we're doing something. And
um I agree. I think that that we need to

1875
02:34:44,880 --> 02:34:52,160
do a lot more for the infrastructure and
the road uh in terms of what these um

1876
02:34:50,000 --> 02:34:55,680
what we're going to try to do to help
prevent that from happening. But I think

1877
02:34:54,160 --> 02:35:00,880
this is at least a step in the right
direction. But other bureaucracies need

1878
02:34:57,760 --> 02:35:03,680
to step in in order to raise that road
more resiliency and and that sort of

1879
02:35:03,280 --> 02:35:08,160
thing
>> because we don't have any authority over

1880
02:35:05,439 --> 02:35:12,960
that road. That's that's Florida DOT
>> and we can beg them and we can plea with

1881
02:35:10,319 --> 02:35:18,800
them and we can argue with them. I mean
would it be better to build a like I 10

1882
02:35:16,399 --> 02:35:23,359
in that area and elevate that road to
where it doesn't have that kind of

1883
02:35:20,880 --> 02:35:25,680
effect or where it doesn't dam
>> um

1884
02:35:23,760 --> 02:35:28,560
» that that's the ultimate perfect answer.
I mean an elevated road, but it's not

1885
02:35:27,200 --> 02:35:32,160
going to happen. It just cost too much
money,

1886
02:35:29,120 --> 02:35:37,040
» right? And that's DOT and we, you know,
we are the u we're the little small

1887
02:35:35,040 --> 02:35:39,359
speck on the elephant when it comes to
that kind of thing. So

1888
02:35:38,560 --> 02:35:44,880
» yes,
>> uh so it it it's like you said, Steve,

1889
02:35:42,160 --> 02:35:48,720
we're we're we're treating the symptom.
We're not the cure, but we're certainly

1890
02:35:47,280 --> 02:35:54,000
trying to do something that's going to
help replenish that beach and have some

1891
02:35:51,120 --> 02:35:59,840
wave attenuation effects on that in a in
a big part of the storm.

1892
02:35:56,720 --> 02:36:03,600
So, um, is there any more public
comment?

1893
02:36:01,840 --> 02:36:07,760
» You don't get two bites at the apple.
I'm so sorry because we're just going to

1894
02:36:05,520 --> 02:36:13,840
argue about it. We've done the studies.
We've had the engineering and u and

1895
02:36:11,359 --> 02:36:17,840
we've got a project that we believe and
staff believes is going to work. Maybe

1896
02:36:16,319 --> 02:36:21,600
you need to have a conversation with
staff and see if there's some better

1897
02:36:19,840 --> 02:36:25,600
idea that you would have on that.
>> I have a question why we're not putting

1898
02:36:23,200 --> 02:36:28,640
sand back on the beach. That doesn't
make any sense to me.

1899
02:36:27,280 --> 02:36:32,399
» Understand that and have that
conversation with with Peter and and he

1900
02:36:31,200 --> 02:36:35,200
should be able to help you out and
understand that. I'll

1901
02:36:33,439 --> 02:36:39,520
» I'll just be happy to discuss it more.
>> Thank you, Peter.

1902
02:36:36,319 --> 02:36:44,000
» Sure. All right, we've got Do I have a
motion on to second? Make We have a

1903
02:36:42,240 --> 02:36:48,080
motion. Do I have a second? We have a
motion and a second.

1904
02:36:46,479 --> 02:36:50,080
» Marty, will you call the roll, please?
>> Council member Steve Freriedman.

1905
02:36:49,439 --> 02:36:51,920
» Yes.
>> Council member Anna Richards.

1906
02:36:51,439 --> 02:36:53,680
» Yes.
>> Council member Deb Gillis.

1907
02:36:53,200 --> 02:36:55,439
» Yes.
>> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney.

1908
02:36:55,120 --> 02:36:57,280
» Yes.
>> And Mayor Don Horton.

1909
02:36:56,640 --> 02:37:02,160
» Yes.
>> Okay, that motion passes 5 to zero.

1910
02:36:59,359 --> 02:37:07,439
» Let's move on to tab 12.
>> Uh tab 11.

1911
02:37:03,040 --> 02:37:10,960
» I'm sorry. Tab 11. Yep. Um, I know I
bounced it too fast, didn't

1912
02:37:09,439 --> 02:37:14,720
» 11 is a resolution of the village
council of Alamara Village, Florida,

1913
02:37:13,040 --> 02:37:18,560
approving work authorization number two
with res

1914
02:37:16,479 --> 02:37:22,080
Florida Consulting LLC for environmental
permitting services associated with the

1915
02:37:20,160 --> 02:37:24,479
Seotes Beach Restoration Project,
authorizing village officials to

1916
02:37:23,280 --> 02:37:27,359
implement the terms and conditions of
work authorization number two,

1917
02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:30,160
authorizing village manager to expend
budget of funds, authorizing village

1918
02:37:28,720 --> 02:37:32,640
manager to execute work authorization
number two, and providing for an

1919
02:37:31,439 --> 02:37:35,040
effective date.
>> Thank you, Peter. Now, let's restore a

1920
02:37:34,399 --> 02:37:39,520
beach.
>> Yes. Okay. So, the last agenda item that

1921
02:37:37,600 --> 02:37:43,040
discussed the receiving of the money.
Now, we're going to talk about the

1922
02:37:40,399 --> 02:37:47,439
spending of the money. So, as I
mentioned, we have completed the design

1923
02:37:44,960 --> 02:37:51,359
work for this project. Res Environmental
Consulting did complete all components

1924
02:37:49,920 --> 02:37:54,720
of this project up to now. The
preliminary uh pre-construction

1925
02:37:52,960 --> 02:37:59,280
activities including feasibility, all
the design work. We did request a

1926
02:37:56,960 --> 02:38:03,600
proposal from REZ for the permitting.
That's the next step in order to move

1927
02:38:01,120 --> 02:38:07,840
towards construction. uh REZ, we do have
a continuing services agreement with

1928
02:38:05,200 --> 02:38:11,920
them. So, this does uh authorize the
work author authorization for the

1929
02:38:09,760 --> 02:38:17,280
permitting. Their proposal came in at
$200,000. So, uh Councilman, that that

1930
02:38:15,040 --> 02:38:20,640
is less than the state appropriation. Uh
we weren't sure how much the permitting

1931
02:38:18,880 --> 02:38:25,040
was going to cost. So, we do have a nice
buffer there extra. Uh so, that does

1932
02:38:23,120 --> 02:38:27,600
allow for any additional work we may
need with the permitting. We don't know

1933
02:38:26,479 --> 02:38:31,280
what's going to happen with the
permitting. could turn into a bigger

1934
02:38:29,200 --> 02:38:36,399
project than we thought. If we don't use
all of that $300,000, we can roll that

1935
02:38:33,840 --> 02:38:41,359
into the next stage of the project to
even into construction. So, we're very

1936
02:38:38,399 --> 02:38:45,520
well set there. Um, so yes, this just
does approve a a project agreement with

1937
02:38:43,280 --> 02:38:50,399
REZ to move in and complete the
permitting for our our project at uh

1938
02:38:48,240 --> 02:38:54,880
Seotes Beach. And um staff is
recommending adoption and approval of

1939
02:38:52,399 --> 02:38:58,080
this uh this resolution.
>> Great work on it.

1940
02:38:55,760 --> 02:39:02,960
» Answer questions. Great work on that. Is
there any comment, guys?

1941
02:39:01,359 --> 02:39:07,439
» Okay, let's open it up to public
comment. Is there any public comment?

1942
02:39:05,920 --> 02:39:10,479
» No one has signed up specifically for
this one.

1943
02:39:08,080 --> 02:39:14,160
» Okay, public comment still open. Going
once, going twice. No one online.

1944
02:39:13,439 --> 02:39:18,479
» No, sir.
>> All right. Public comments closed.

1945
02:39:17,040 --> 02:39:21,680
» Motion to approve.
>> I'll second.

1946
02:39:19,359 --> 02:39:24,880
» Got a motion in a second. Marty, will
you call the role?

1947
02:39:23,520 --> 02:39:26,960
» Council member Ann Richards?
>> Yes. Council member Deb Gillis.

1948
02:39:26,560 --> 02:39:28,960
» Yes.
>> Council member Steve Freriedman.

1949
02:39:28,399 --> 02:39:30,800
» Yes.
>> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney.

1950
02:39:30,319 --> 02:39:33,200
» Yes.
>> And Mayor Don Horton.

1951
02:39:32,800 --> 02:39:38,640
» Yes.
>> That motion passes 5-0.

1952
02:39:36,080 --> 02:39:42,319
» Good job.
>> Tab.

1953
02:39:40,800 --> 02:39:45,439
» Let's go to the next tab.
>> Tab 12 is a resolution of Village

1954
02:39:43,840 --> 02:39:49,600
Council of Vomar Village, Florida
approving work authorization number

1955
02:39:46,720 --> 02:39:52,720
three with WSPUSA Inc. for Canal 145
Restoration Project Construction

1956
02:39:51,359 --> 02:39:56,000
Engineering Inspections and
Administration Services. Authorizing

1957
02:39:54,720 --> 02:39:58,800
village officials to implement the terms
and conditions of work authorization

1958
02:39:57,280 --> 02:40:01,439
number three, authorizing village
manager to expend budget funds,

1959
02:40:00,160 --> 02:40:04,479
authorizing village manager to execute
the uh project agreement for work

1960
02:40:02,880 --> 02:40:09,680
authorization number three and providing
for an effective date. Okay, thanks

1961
02:40:06,960 --> 02:40:14,240
John. So, at our past council meeting
that was in the August meeting, council

1962
02:40:12,479 --> 02:40:19,200
approved an agreement with Adventure
Environmental Incorporated to complete

1963
02:40:16,479 --> 02:40:24,080
the next canal restoration project we
have planned, which is an organic

1964
02:40:20,960 --> 02:40:29,200
removal and a backfilling of canal 145.
That's the canal in between Cortez and

1965
02:40:26,640 --> 02:40:33,200
Columbus drives on lower Madakumbi. So,
we have in the process of executing that

1966
02:40:31,200 --> 02:40:37,760
agreement with Adventure Environmental.
We are looking to start this project in

1967
02:40:35,359 --> 02:40:41,280
late October. So, in order to do a
project like this, it is required to

1968
02:40:39,600 --> 02:40:45,120
have construction, engineering,
inspection, and administration. It's

1969
02:40:43,200 --> 02:40:48,720
essentially the the oversight, the
monitoring that needs to be done in

1970
02:40:47,359 --> 02:40:51,920
order to complete an environmental
project like this to make sure we're

1971
02:40:50,479 --> 02:40:56,240
complying with all the permitting
regulations, threatened endangered

1972
02:40:54,080 --> 02:40:59,840
species protection, and it's also a
requirement within our uh stewardship

1973
02:40:58,399 --> 02:41:06,160
act grant. We have to have this
monitoring. Uh um WSP has been the firm

1974
02:41:03,760 --> 02:41:09,439
that has done all the monitoring for us.
all of our canal restoration projects

1975
02:41:07,920 --> 02:41:14,720
and the county as well. They are
currently right now doing the CI work on

1976
02:41:12,479 --> 02:41:19,120
a very similar canal project for Monroe
County that is slated to be done in

1977
02:41:16,800 --> 02:41:24,560
about 3 weeks. Once they're done, we're
going to start our project. WSP has been

1978
02:41:21,920 --> 02:41:28,240
working for the village for 13 years. Um
done an excellent job for us. Uh we have

1979
02:41:26,720 --> 02:41:33,680
a continuing services agreement with
them as well. So we requested uh their

1980
02:41:31,359 --> 02:41:40,240
service to do the CI work on this canal
restoration project as well. Uh their

1981
02:41:36,240 --> 02:41:44,280
cost was cost proposal was $103,000
kind of Oh shoot

1982
02:41:44,960 --> 02:41:50,479
$103,000.
Um

1983
02:41:48,560 --> 02:41:55,680
that's fits with about how much these
projects cost the the the monitoring

1984
02:41:52,720 --> 02:42:01,120
work for this. It's quite extensive. Um
grant funded. So we do have funds a

1985
02:41:58,960 --> 02:42:06,479
stewardship act grant will cover the
full cost of this. We have the grant

1986
02:42:03,439 --> 02:42:12,319
already um appropriated, ready to spend
the money. Uh $2.2 million. Uh so even a

1987
02:42:10,319 --> 02:42:18,000
little extra there. Uh so looking to
approve this work authorization with WSP

1988
02:42:15,040 --> 02:42:23,520
for the CI oversight of our canal
restoration project

1989
02:42:20,080 --> 02:42:28,479
and no no expenses to the taxpayers. No
local taxpayer money will be utilized

1990
02:42:25,280 --> 02:42:32,479
for this. This is all grant funded. And
you're already seeing success on these

1991
02:42:30,479 --> 02:42:37,200
when we filled these canals and backfill
these on Plantation Key, right?

1992
02:42:34,479 --> 02:42:40,319
» Absolutely. The back filling really I
mean other than you know maybe a culvert

1993
02:42:38,960 --> 02:42:44,479
pipe or something it's the best thing
you can do is to reduce that depth.

1994
02:42:42,240 --> 02:42:50,080
Anything below six feet just goes
anoxic. All that sargasm sinks can't

1995
02:42:47,600 --> 02:42:54,160
really decompose. The bacteria can't act
on it when it's that deep. It's anoxic

1996
02:42:51,920 --> 02:42:58,240
zone. It stinks. So once you decrease
that depth you have life. You have

1997
02:42:55,840 --> 02:43:01,920
oxygen. Yeah. We're seeing amazing uh
submerged vegetation, seaggrass, sponge

1998
02:43:00,479 --> 02:43:06,720
growth in these canals that we've
backfilled. So, yeah, they are it's a

1999
02:43:04,880 --> 02:43:10,800
huge benefit.
>> You know, that's

2000
02:43:08,880 --> 02:43:14,399
» that's bad luck to have that happen to
you, Sue. All right. Is this the extra

2001
02:43:13,280 --> 02:43:16,319
merit that we're talking about?
>> I think so.

2002
02:43:15,439 --> 02:43:20,560
» That's [laughter]
that's the e that's the above and beyond

2003
02:43:18,640 --> 02:43:24,880
right there by our fire chief. Steve,
your mic's on. Did you have something

2004
02:43:21,920 --> 02:43:31,439
you want to say? No. Okay. Are there any
questions of uh Peter at this moment?

2005
02:43:28,080 --> 02:43:34,800
» No. Okay. Uh why don't we open this up
to public comment?

2006
02:43:33,200 --> 02:43:39,600
» I have no one signed up for it.
>> Is there anyone would like to talk about

2007
02:43:37,520 --> 02:43:42,880
our canal filling?
>> No.

2008
02:43:41,120 --> 02:43:46,319
» All right. Very good. Do I have a motion
to approve?

2009
02:43:43,680 --> 02:43:48,399
» I'll make a motion to approve.
>> Second.

2010
02:43:46,560 --> 02:43:52,000
» I got a motion. And we have a second.
Marty, will you call the role?

2011
02:43:50,720 --> 02:43:54,080
» Council member Deb Gillis.
>> Yes.

2012
02:43:52,399 --> 02:43:56,319
» Council member Anna Richards. Yes.
>> Council member Steve Freriedman.

2013
02:43:55,600 --> 02:43:58,640
» Yes.
>> Council or excuse me, Vice Mayor Sharon

2014
02:43:58,080 --> 02:44:00,640
Mahoney.
>> Yes.

2015
02:43:59,040 --> 02:44:02,720
» And Mayor Don Horton.
>> Yes.

2016
02:44:00,960 --> 02:44:07,279
» That motion passes 5-0.
>> Thank you so much. We'll move on to tab

2017
02:44:05,760 --> 02:44:10,160
13.
>> 13 is a resolution of the village

2018
02:44:08,720 --> 02:44:13,200
council of Alamada Village of Violence,
Florida, approving the updated retainer

2019
02:44:11,760 --> 02:44:16,399
agreement for village attorney legal
services between West Florida Healthman

2020
02:44:14,720 --> 02:44:19,359
Cole and Beerman PL and Alam Marada
village of Violence authorizing village

2021
02:44:18,160 --> 02:44:22,000
officials to implement the terms and
conditions of the agreement. Authorizing

2022
02:44:20,640 --> 02:44:25,279
village manager to expend budget of
funds. authorizing the village mayor to

2023
02:44:23,840 --> 02:44:28,080
execute the agreement and providing for
an effective date.

2024
02:44:26,319 --> 02:44:31,760
» Well, you're not done. How about you
give us a presentation, too, then?

2025
02:44:29,760 --> 02:44:35,040
» Yep. I'm doing double duty, sir.
>> Yes, sir.

2026
02:44:32,800 --> 02:44:37,760
» Um, so, you know, as we were going
through the budget process, one of the

2027
02:44:36,479 --> 02:44:43,840
things that, you know, I was looking at
was trying to figure out a a way to to

2028
02:44:41,279 --> 02:44:48,240
try to ensure that there's better budget
certainty for the village while also

2029
02:44:45,520 --> 02:44:55,439
trying to um make it cost-effective and
reduce expenses for the village. And uh

2030
02:44:51,520 --> 02:44:59,920
I spoke with uh with my firm uh about
potentially uh bringing forward like a

2031
02:44:57,840 --> 02:45:04,160
flat fee agreement because now that we
have been here for the last four years,

2032
02:45:02,319 --> 02:45:09,120
we have real data that we can look at.
We have an average and we understand how

2033
02:45:06,319 --> 02:45:15,120
much work the village um is looking for
with uh uh out of its village attorney.

2034
02:45:11,760 --> 02:45:20,000
Uh so uh we I went forward they did some
they did calculations um which is borne

2035
02:45:17,600 --> 02:45:24,960
out in the proposed retainer agreement
and it basically what it does is it it

2036
02:45:22,240 --> 02:45:30,479
effectively takes uh reduces the
budgeted amount for the legal department

2037
02:45:27,680 --> 02:45:35,439
by just a little over 25%. and then
divides that by 12 um which is obviously

2038
02:45:32,800 --> 02:45:41,279
the the 12 months and so that that bears
out a flat fee for each month and that

2039
02:45:38,319 --> 02:45:46,479
is what would the village would pay for
its general municipal services. There

2040
02:45:44,080 --> 02:45:50,240
are a couple of um carveout areas
because um some of which are because

2041
02:45:48,960 --> 02:45:54,800
they're not paid by the village. That
would be like cost recovery which is

2042
02:45:52,240 --> 02:45:58,560
built into the into the code where uh
your developer comes in and the

2043
02:45:56,560 --> 02:46:02,960
developer when it's getting um when it
needs legal uh review for development

2044
02:46:01,279 --> 02:46:06,160
applications that's paid for by the
developer. So obviously that would be

2045
02:46:04,720 --> 02:46:10,080
carved out because it's it's not being
paid for by the village. Um and that's

2046
02:46:08,160 --> 02:46:16,240
not born in in the village budget as it
is now anyway. Um litigation matters are

2047
02:46:13,920 --> 02:46:20,080
carved out because those are are really
difficult to figure out. There are some

2048
02:46:17,840 --> 02:46:24,399
years where we have a lot of litigation.
There's some years where we have

2049
02:46:21,680 --> 02:46:28,479
virtually no litigation. And and ideally
the the plan would be to have no

2050
02:46:26,800 --> 02:46:32,399
litigation or if we have some that it
would be covered completely by insurance

2051
02:46:30,800 --> 02:46:36,160
so that the village isn't paying for it.
And if that's the case, then that would

2052
02:46:34,640 --> 02:46:40,000
never, you know, that would never
trigger. So, um, I did talk to them

2053
02:46:38,800 --> 02:46:45,920
about trying to see if we could figure
out just a flat fee for everything. But

2054
02:46:42,560 --> 02:46:49,840
it was it was the experience that we've
had with the village and then looking

2055
02:46:47,760 --> 02:46:54,240
back from before we were here. It's just
such w it can be the swings can be so

2056
02:46:52,240 --> 02:46:58,080
weird when it comes to litigation that
there could be years where the village

2057
02:46:55,680 --> 02:47:01,760
is paying us and we're not doing
anything and or there could be years

2058
02:46:59,760 --> 02:47:06,240
where you know there's so much
litigation again fingers crossed

2059
02:47:03,200 --> 02:47:10,080
hopefully that's not the case um where
my firm ends up taking a bath. So we

2060
02:47:08,319 --> 02:47:14,160
just we looked at it and just realized
listen the the best way to approach this

2061
02:47:12,319 --> 02:47:21,040
would be to carve out the litigation
aspect um because it's just so uh

2062
02:47:18,000 --> 02:47:27,600
dependent on the issues and so um it's
just you just the ability to predict is

2063
02:47:25,040 --> 02:47:31,760
is is very difficult. Um and so this
made it a lot a lot simpler to do it

2064
02:47:29,520 --> 02:47:36,319
that way. Uh the other carveouts would
be what I would call like special

2065
02:47:33,840 --> 02:47:39,600
projects. So, if we were to do, not that
we have this planned, but something the

2066
02:47:38,319 --> 02:47:43,200
example I would give is like if we're
going to do like a whole code rewrite,

2067
02:47:41,200 --> 02:47:46,720
not not just, you know, amending a
section or amending a portion, but if

2068
02:47:45,359 --> 02:47:52,000
we're going to go in and dive into the
code and just say we need to do a

2069
02:47:49,279 --> 02:47:57,439
complete overhaul of our code legal,
take this. I mean, that's a six-month

2070
02:47:54,240 --> 02:48:01,680
minimum thing. That type of thing is is
a a huge undertaking. I don't think

2071
02:47:59,760 --> 02:48:05,840
we're planning to do that, but I use
that example. I mean our our code listen

2072
02:48:04,000 --> 02:48:10,160
we've got some you know we've got little
uniquenesses here and there but overall

2073
02:48:07,680 --> 02:48:14,000
it works for us so it's it's not
something I would envision. So when I

2074
02:48:12,240 --> 02:48:18,000
say th those are the types of things
that we're we're talking about in terms

2075
02:48:15,600 --> 02:48:22,800
of like a carveout. Hopefully we never
have to use those. So the idea was how

2076
02:48:20,880 --> 02:48:28,000
can we get the village certainty so that
when we come budget time it's not a

2077
02:48:26,080 --> 02:48:32,240
question here it is this is the budget
and here you go and then you know how

2078
02:48:30,560 --> 02:48:35,680
can we do it where you know we can be
cost-ffective and save the village you

2079
02:48:33,760 --> 02:48:39,279
know hopefully save the village money um
you know every year and and this was

2080
02:48:37,200 --> 02:48:43,760
this was idea and this was you know kind
of how I approached it with you all. Um

2081
02:48:41,120 --> 02:48:49,520
the other thing this would do I um we
were hired under the interim label um

2082
02:48:46,000 --> 02:48:53,920
this would it it just I drafted as you
retaining me as the attorney taking off

2083
02:48:51,120 --> 02:48:57,520
the interim label. Um I mean frankly as
I joke all the time or we're always

2084
02:48:55,279 --> 02:49:01,279
interim I mean most every employee
unless you've got an employment contract

2085
02:48:59,200 --> 02:49:05,439
we're interim so um whether we have the
title or not it uh it doesn't matter but

2086
02:49:03,279 --> 02:49:08,479
I've I've heard some some folks have had
mentioned that you know they'd like to

2087
02:49:07,120 --> 02:49:12,000
you know remove that title since I've
been here for four years and it seemed

2088
02:49:09,840 --> 02:49:16,000
kind of silly to have it. So um this
retainer would just would be for us to

2089
02:49:13,840 --> 02:49:19,760
be the village attorney as well. Um, and
it would still be for me to serve uh to

2090
02:49:18,000 --> 02:49:25,120
serve in this capacity and you would
have all the backup that that you have

2091
02:49:22,080 --> 02:49:29,680
uh currently um uh at your disposal.
>> Very good.

2092
02:49:26,479 --> 02:49:33,920
» Council, any comments,
>> Steve?

2093
02:49:30,560 --> 02:49:38,080
» Um, I I have uh some questions and some
reservations about going forward with

2094
02:49:35,920 --> 02:49:42,399
this right now. And um I don't know if
you want to do public comment now and

2095
02:49:40,160 --> 02:49:46,880
then I can reserve that for later. How
whatever your pleasure is, Mayor. Uh you

2096
02:49:44,560 --> 02:49:49,040
go on now and might help somebody during
public comment too, Steve.

2097
02:49:48,319 --> 02:49:53,520
» Okay.
>> Yep.

2098
02:49:49,520 --> 02:49:59,040
» Um so I I I appreciate the um the
effort. John uh I believe contacted us

2099
02:49:55,920 --> 02:50:02,000
individually with this idea. Um I'm not
sure who brought it about in your firm

2100
02:50:00,800 --> 02:50:06,000
if it was you that brought it to your
partner, one of your senior partners

2101
02:50:03,120 --> 02:50:09,680
that had this idea. I I like the idea of
flat fee. I think it's just the

2102
02:50:07,920 --> 02:50:14,000
specifics that aren't in there. like I
would like to see um an exhibit of

2103
02:50:12,479 --> 02:50:18,479
specifically
what's covered and what's not covered. I

2104
02:50:16,240 --> 02:50:21,680
think it's just it's still general. I'm
I'm happy to continue with this as

2105
02:50:20,082 --> 02:50:27,920
[clears throat] long as we can get some
of those very specific items. Um I'm I'm

2106
02:50:24,720 --> 02:50:32,479
also concerned a little bit about the um
the the cost recovery um hourlys that

2107
02:50:31,359 --> 02:50:38,160
you're putting on there. Even though
those wouldn't necessarily affect our

2108
02:50:34,080 --> 02:50:44,319
taxpayers uh as a tax as us paying them,
it would certainly affect uh those that

2109
02:50:40,319 --> 02:50:50,240
are um doing the cost recovery to more
than double what they'd be paying now, I

2110
02:50:46,880 --> 02:50:54,240
think. So, um I'll just kind of stop
there. Those are just some of my

2111
02:50:51,359 --> 02:50:58,720
concerns. I'm willing to listen and have
a discussion.

2112
02:50:55,359 --> 02:51:02,880
» Very good. Thank you, Vice Mayor.
>> I can see you wanting to poke. I'm going

2113
02:51:00,960 --> 02:51:08,880
to make you public. Go for it.
>> I have the same question Steve has. Um,

2114
02:51:06,319 --> 02:51:13,680
it's, you know, and John, you're worth
every cent you want. You and I have a

2115
02:51:11,359 --> 02:51:19,520
great relationship. It's not you. It's
It's a little bit who decides what's the

2116
02:51:17,359 --> 02:51:25,760
flat rate and what's not in the flat
rate. It's sort of open-ended to me as

2117
02:51:22,080 --> 02:51:29,840
well. and the 650. I feel bad that it
seems like we nickel and dime now over

2118
02:51:28,399 --> 02:51:35,120
the years I've been sitting on this
council and Jennifer, don't get mad at

2119
02:51:32,240 --> 02:51:39,359
me, but they you guys used to do the uh
put the signs out. You used to do the

2120
02:51:37,359 --> 02:51:45,279
noticing of the neighbors. Now slowly
we're putting everything on the other

2121
02:51:42,560 --> 02:51:49,520
the applicant to do. And I just think
650 is a lot. you know, I sort of agree

2122
02:51:48,160 --> 02:51:54,160
with Steve that
>> I just think it's a little open-ended

2123
02:51:51,920 --> 02:51:58,960
for me right now.
>> Okay.

2124
02:51:56,319 --> 02:52:02,080
» Um, yeah, I can I can address those. In
terms of the cost recovery, those are

2125
02:52:00,479 --> 02:52:05,439
actually the rates that are currently
charged. They're not increased. Um, so

2126
02:52:03,920 --> 02:52:09,200
those are those are the same rates that
were approved by the council last year.

2127
02:52:07,120 --> 02:52:14,319
So, I didn't put an increase in those at
all. It's it's exactly the same. So,

2128
02:52:11,120 --> 02:52:19,520
that stays. Yeah, that stays. Um, in
terms of what's covered and what's not,

2129
02:52:16,720 --> 02:52:24,160
it's the the decision would have to be
made. The we the village attorney, we

2130
02:52:22,800 --> 02:52:28,319
wouldn't we don't have the authority to
decide that it's not covered. We it

2131
02:52:26,160 --> 02:52:33,920
under the agreement, the manager has to
assign it to us and has to sign off that

2132
02:52:31,120 --> 02:52:38,160
um that this is a a special project.
Other obvious litigation is carved out

2133
02:52:35,760 --> 02:52:43,200
that that is automatically carved out
but anything else would have to be

2134
02:52:40,000 --> 02:52:48,160
approved by the manager um to sign off
on and say yes this is a special project

2135
02:52:45,920 --> 02:52:53,120
I'm assigning this to legal and we're
doing this under the special projects

2136
02:52:49,840 --> 02:52:58,560
otherwise everything else would f falls
within the general municipal and falls

2137
02:52:54,880 --> 02:53:02,000
within the flat flat rate because um I
did think about I did try to come up

2138
02:53:00,399 --> 02:53:06,160
with an exhibit like what you all were
talking about it was just there's so

2139
02:53:03,600 --> 02:53:10,880
many possibilities that come up and I
didn't I my concern in doing that is I

2140
02:53:08,800 --> 02:53:15,600
also didn't want it to be so specific
that if something comes up and it's not

2141
02:53:12,720 --> 02:53:20,800
included um that we don't know how to
deal with it. So, um, this was a way

2142
02:53:17,920 --> 02:53:26,080
that that my firm has done this with
other cities and it's it's worked for

2143
02:53:23,520 --> 02:53:29,600
for them. And so, I I put it in this
way, which is, you know, you've got your

2144
02:53:28,000 --> 02:53:34,880
professional manager. You know, the
manager, you know, knows what the

2145
02:53:31,359 --> 02:53:38,880
special projects are and and uh he would
be the one to assign it and sign off on

2146
02:53:36,800 --> 02:53:43,520
it. So, we're not the ones making those
decisions. um that's that's made by your

2147
02:53:41,760 --> 02:53:46,240
you know the village uh the village
manager would be the one who would have

2148
02:53:44,800 --> 02:53:52,240
to approve all of that.
>> It's um it it's kind of the same thing

2149
02:53:49,200 --> 02:53:56,560
that we had before when we had an
onstaff

2150
02:53:54,000 --> 02:54:01,520
» uh village attorney. Um, I mean, he
would often times farm something out to

2151
02:53:59,040 --> 02:54:05,680
the to the firm or another firm or
whatever and then the village would

2152
02:54:04,080 --> 02:54:12,880
start getting charged for that and we
were already paying that guy uh and then

2153
02:54:10,319 --> 02:54:17,600
turn around and and have them come to
council and authorize an expenditure for

2154
02:54:15,600 --> 02:54:23,120
something that was a special project
before. Uh I think that those uh those

2155
02:54:21,600 --> 02:54:30,080
projects are still going to have to come
to us to approve the expenditure. Uh and

2156
02:54:27,840 --> 02:54:35,439
uh I think this with the with it
actually lowering, you know, what we're

2157
02:54:33,200 --> 02:54:42,560
what we're budgeting at at this point is
is probably a win win for us. And we

2158
02:54:38,399 --> 02:54:48,560
still have at our fingertips the firm as
a whole with all of their specialties

2159
02:54:45,040 --> 02:54:53,840
that they have at the firm level. So I I
think this this further drills it down

2160
02:54:51,040 --> 02:54:57,279
and defines it and makes it something to
where it's it's acceptable. I I think

2161
02:54:56,720 --> 02:55:02,640
Deb,
>> I I agree. I think it's acceptable this

2162
02:54:59,600 --> 02:55:06,080
way. And I think the I I asked some of
those same questions. Well, what does it

2163
02:55:04,319 --> 02:55:11,279
include and what doesn't it include? And
I think after hearing it again just now,

2164
02:55:09,840 --> 02:55:16,399
it's pretty clear.
>> Litigation is litigation and you know

2165
02:55:13,520 --> 02:55:21,600
that's pretty clear. Uh and special
projects will be special projects. We

2166
02:55:19,279 --> 02:55:24,160
will know what those are and then
everything else falls in

2167
02:55:23,760 --> 02:55:27,200
» Yeah.
>> the flat fee.

2168
02:55:25,439 --> 02:55:31,920
» Yeah. And the litigation's always been
that way and that's that's what's always

2169
02:55:29,040 --> 02:55:35,200
killed us anyway. It's not something
>> budget for and we just hope that

2170
02:55:33,840 --> 02:55:38,471
planning stops getting sued.
>> I um [laughter]

2171
02:55:39,359 --> 02:55:45,920
» Yeah, I know that. Uh I I remember I
remember back in the days when we had

2172
02:55:44,000 --> 02:55:50,240
lots and lots of litigation and I
remember a few years after that we had

2173
02:55:47,520 --> 02:55:58,640
very little litigation. So it it it does
eb and flow and we need to be aware of

2174
02:55:54,000 --> 02:56:04,479
that and I've I assume that um John will
be able to work with with Ron and and

2175
02:56:00,960 --> 02:56:09,279
and Hattie in getting a separate kind of
a separate line for litigation or

2176
02:56:06,880 --> 02:56:11,760
special projects so that we can track
that better ourselves.

2177
02:56:11,279 --> 02:56:16,960
» Yeah.
>> Um

2178
02:56:13,760 --> 02:56:21,760
um I I like this thought pattern. I've
always liked having the firm because it

2179
02:56:19,040 --> 02:56:27,680
gives you such a wide variety of people
to rely upon like this evening. You just

2180
02:56:25,040 --> 02:56:32,080
called one of your partners this
evening, you know. Um, so I'd like to go

2181
02:56:31,040 --> 02:56:35,920
forward with this.
>> Thank you, Deb. Why don't we open this

2182
02:56:34,160 --> 02:56:38,800
up to public comment? Is there any
public comment?

2183
02:56:37,279 --> 02:56:42,359
» Yes. Sue Miller.
>> Sue, welcome.

2184
02:56:44,479 --> 02:56:52,399
» Sue Miller.
Laura Madakumbi um representing the

2185
02:56:48,960 --> 02:56:59,359
Alamrada Community Alliance and I want
to say happy birthday to all of you guys

2186
02:56:54,319 --> 02:57:05,720
up there and um I want to say how lucky
we are to have John Quick,

2187
02:57:02,720 --> 02:57:05,720
» however,

2188
02:57:06,640 --> 02:57:13,439
» however, but wait, there's more.
>> I do not believe that you're ready to

2189
02:57:11,520 --> 02:57:19,279
make this kind of decision. And I think
there's too many things that are left

2190
02:57:15,920 --> 02:57:24,880
unanswered in the presentation that I
saw. I think that what you're discussing

2191
02:57:22,720 --> 02:57:33,200
has been completely different than my
understanding. I went through the um 12

2192
02:57:29,600 --> 02:57:38,880
months of 2025 invoices.
And with this new system, I calculated

2193
02:57:35,520 --> 02:57:44,720
that West Weiss Ceroda would make
approximately $200,000

2194
02:57:41,760 --> 02:57:51,600
more with an identical workload using
the billing method proposed.

2195
02:57:48,080 --> 02:57:58,319
Um he is saying that they did that study
and that you would save money. I did the

2196
02:57:54,479 --> 02:58:02,960
study and I don't see the same results.
The list of general government services

2197
02:58:00,960 --> 02:58:09,760
that would be included in the fixed
monthly charge needs to be complete in

2198
02:58:06,560 --> 02:58:18,800
my opinion and because anything that's
left over that isn't considered general

2199
02:58:14,160 --> 02:58:24,800
government service gets charged at 327
$325

2200
02:58:21,120 --> 02:58:31,760
an hour when we're accustomed to paying
$250 an hour. some things there are

2201
02:58:29,359 --> 02:58:38,399
things that are missing from the list
that that I saw that are have been built

2202
02:58:36,080 --> 02:58:46,160
on a regular basis. So it's not like
these are mysteries. There's workshops

2203
02:58:41,520 --> 02:58:53,439
are not listed on on as being included
in the uh standard monthly charge

2204
02:58:50,479 --> 02:58:58,080
are workshops $325.
What about foreclosures?

2205
02:58:55,600 --> 02:59:03,680
What about collective bargaining? Some
things are on both. You know, the the

2206
02:59:01,439 --> 02:59:08,960
planning and zoning issues. What is
specialized? We're in the process of

2207
02:59:06,000 --> 02:59:16,080
having a new comprehensive plan done
which may require significant

2208
02:59:12,399 --> 02:59:22,319
legal help. Is that considered
specialized? He just said if we rewrite

2209
02:59:19,359 --> 02:59:27,600
our code, isn't that what we're about to
do?

2210
02:59:23,920 --> 02:59:33,439
um litigation would be $325
an hour instead of the current $250.

2211
02:59:31,439 --> 02:59:41,920
There's no way of predicting how much
litigation will cost when it's an extra

2212
02:59:36,720 --> 02:59:49,279
$75 an hour cost recovery. He says that
we're already charging

2213
02:59:45,200 --> 02:59:59,920
our uh applicants $650
an hour. That's more than what standard

2214
02:59:54,960 --> 03:00:09,359
public pays for for um legal services. I
just find that really an incredible

2215
03:00:04,399 --> 03:00:15,439
burden. That's 2.6 times more than what
you pay for legal services. The invoices

2216
03:00:13,040 --> 03:00:20,560
through June of this year for cost
recovery indicate that there are 17

2217
03:00:17,760 --> 03:00:30,080
property owners that had to pay cost
recovery at 2 what I believed was 250. I

2218
03:00:25,200 --> 03:00:38,960
did never hear anywhere where the uh
cost recovery was more than that.

2219
03:00:33,279 --> 03:00:43,200
the um of those 17 there was one one
applicant

2220
03:00:40,479 --> 03:00:49,920
who has already through the month of
June not July, August, not September is

2221
03:00:46,720 --> 03:00:57,439
in the agenda tonight that has already
been charged $637

2222
03:00:53,520 --> 03:01:01,760
to downzone their property. Now we
should be having a ticker tape parade

2223
03:00:59,359 --> 03:01:07,040
for them. We shouldn't be charging them
for $650

2224
03:01:04,319 --> 03:01:12,240
an an hour for legal fees. While the
applicant pays the cost recovery, not

2225
03:01:09,200 --> 03:01:17,040
the taxpayers, this is likely to impact
the little guys ability to request

2226
03:01:14,640 --> 03:01:22,880
changes. Well, it might not matter to
applicants for major projects. A

2227
03:01:19,680 --> 03:01:29,840
municipal contract attorney usually gets
a small hourly wage, much smaller than

2228
03:01:27,600 --> 03:01:36,319
attorneys would make as members of the
by members of the public. But we need to

2229
03:01:33,200 --> 03:01:42,000
see what other I actually called another
company and I Googled

2230
03:01:39,200 --> 03:01:50,479
the school board has a retainer of
$10,000 and then anything extra is $195

2231
03:01:46,240 --> 03:01:57,680
from a local company that does municipal
um legal fees. And I think that we

2232
03:01:53,120 --> 03:02:04,080
should get other find out what other
companies charge negotiate with Weisser.

2233
03:02:01,439 --> 03:02:07,120
don't take their first offer.
>> Thank you, Sue.

2234
03:02:04,800 --> 03:02:11,520
» Thank you.
>> Is there any other public comment?

2235
03:02:09,840 --> 03:02:14,800
» No one else has signed up.
>> Okay.

2236
03:02:13,040 --> 03:02:19,680
Public comment is still open. Is there
more public comment? Anyone on board

2237
03:02:17,439 --> 03:02:22,720
online?
>> No, sir.

2238
03:02:20,560 --> 03:02:27,680
» Okay. Hearing none. Public comment is
closed. T um this is the first public

2239
03:02:25,920 --> 03:02:32,160
hearing that we've had to discuss this.
I don't see why we can't just um you

2240
03:02:29,840 --> 03:02:37,680
know table this and and and John can
clarify some of these things and um and

2241
03:02:35,200 --> 03:02:40,240
really uh be a bit more specific so
we're all comfortable with it. I just

2242
03:02:38,960 --> 03:02:45,200
don't see why we can't continue the
relationship that we have right now

2243
03:02:41,920 --> 03:02:49,000
until um another month when we can meet
again and discuss this.

2244
03:02:50,080 --> 03:02:56,080
» Vice Mayor any comments folks?
>> Can John rebuttal? [laughter]

2245
03:02:55,439 --> 03:03:00,000
» Absolutely.
>> Yeah. And I'd say in terms of a

2246
03:02:58,240 --> 03:03:05,600
deferral, part of the reason to do this
is so it lines up with your your budget.

2247
03:03:02,399 --> 03:03:11,120
Um and so so the next fiscal year starts
October one. So this would line up

2248
03:03:07,279 --> 03:03:14,720
October 1. Um and you would also get
this was one of the things that um

2249
03:03:12,960 --> 03:03:18,399
Councilwoman Gillis asked about and I I
neglected to mention and I should have.

2250
03:03:16,640 --> 03:03:22,240
um on the budget line item, you will
also be able to track this more easily

2251
03:03:20,080 --> 03:03:26,319
because you will have a line item for
general municipal services and because

2252
03:03:24,560 --> 03:03:30,479
we can car we'll be able to carve this
out and I've already we've spoken with

2253
03:03:27,840 --> 03:03:33,920
Hattie and it's we we will be able to do
it and then you'll have a line item for

2254
03:03:32,080 --> 03:03:39,439
litigation and special projects so you
can track more easily your expenses for

2255
03:03:36,479 --> 03:03:44,000
litigation or whatever special projects
um you might have. In terms of what Miss

2256
03:03:41,520 --> 03:03:47,760
Miller brought up, um, yes, of course,
workshops are included, workshops are

2257
03:03:45,600 --> 03:03:54,000
meetings, of course. I mean, that is a
general municipal, uh, issue. Um, uh,

2258
03:03:52,080 --> 03:04:00,080
collective bargaining to labor issue.
Yes. The comp plan.

2259
03:03:57,279 --> 03:04:03,520
So, no, that's not a special project
because I'm not the one being hired to

2260
03:04:01,920 --> 03:04:07,439
write the comp plan. You guys retained
Able City East and you're paying them.

2261
03:04:06,319 --> 03:04:11,120
It's the same thing that I'm talking
about just they are the one who's doing

2262
03:04:09,520 --> 03:04:15,200
the writing of the comp plan. If if you
would have asked us to write the comp

2263
03:04:12,640 --> 03:04:19,439
plan then as you can see this is that's
a huge undertaking. They've been doing

2264
03:04:16,720 --> 03:04:25,279
it now for two yeah close to two years.
I mean this is a a big undertaking. So

2265
03:04:22,240 --> 03:04:29,200
» no the comp plan is not going to be a
special project for us because it's a

2266
03:04:27,279 --> 03:04:33,200
special project for the village but
somebody else is doing it. So we will be

2267
03:04:31,040 --> 03:04:37,279
working with the village council with
staff to implement it. Yes. and and

2268
03:04:35,520 --> 03:04:43,279
whatever comes along with that that will
be updating the code but that is part of

2269
03:04:40,319 --> 03:04:47,920
the general municipal services um that
that is included in this um I didn't

2270
03:04:46,399 --> 03:04:49,600
write out every single thing
>> 650

2271
03:04:48,880 --> 03:04:54,720
» an hour
>> the 650 an hour so yes so I said that's

2272
03:04:52,240 --> 03:04:59,680
that's what we are charging now um that
is definitely below market rate for

2273
03:04:57,680 --> 03:05:06,240
private individuals so if you were to if
if a developer were to retain um any I

2274
03:05:04,800 --> 03:05:10,399
We have different attorneys that come
and represent uh here. Uh I would be

2275
03:05:08,560 --> 03:05:14,640
surprised to hear if any of them are
charging a private developer uh less

2276
03:05:12,880 --> 03:05:19,920
than 650 an hour. In fact, I would
anticipate more are probably in the $800

2277
03:05:16,640 --> 03:05:23,840
to $1,000 range. Um in terms of uh
hourly rates, uh I don't know I can't

2278
03:05:22,560 --> 03:05:28,399
speak to the school board because I
don't know how much work that they have

2279
03:05:26,000 --> 03:05:33,359
and how much work that they they do for
the school board. I can tell you that in

2280
03:05:30,800 --> 03:05:39,120
Key West, which is the only other entity
that does have a an hourly um attorney,

2281
03:05:36,399 --> 03:05:43,760
they are over $400 an hour. Yes. Um and
so I I can speak to that. Um but I I

2282
03:05:42,160 --> 03:05:48,240
don't I don't know how much work goes
into the uh the flat fee for the school

2283
03:05:46,720 --> 03:05:52,160
board, but I'm sure that that's a
calculation that they they entered into

2284
03:05:50,080 --> 03:05:57,760
as well as to um you know, what would
fall into that for for that firm. So um

2285
03:05:55,200 --> 03:06:03,040
so yeah, so I I am comfortable. I will
tell you when if I were to be hired by a

2286
03:05:59,920 --> 03:06:08,720
a private entity, um I charge more than
650 an hour for for any private work. Um

2287
03:06:05,840 --> 03:06:13,840
and in fact, um I know that even some of
our our brethren down here in the county

2288
03:06:11,760 --> 03:06:21,680
as well as in Marathon when they retain
municipal attorneys um for for for work

2289
03:06:17,279 --> 03:06:26,160
outside um it's usually 550, 650, 750 an
hour. Um the Supreme Court work is a

2290
03:06:24,880 --> 03:06:32,560
little different. That's that's a whole
another set. But uh but um uh it's all

2291
03:06:29,920 --> 03:06:36,560
it's all well within if not exceeding
that that $600 to $650 range.

2292
03:06:35,200 --> 03:06:41,680
» And that's for municipal.
>> Well, I appreciate your explanation. You

2293
03:06:39,279 --> 03:06:45,359
just cleared up a lot of what my
questions were. So, thank you for

2294
03:06:44,240 --> 03:06:50,399
answering my questions.
>> Thank you. You're welcome.

2295
03:06:47,120 --> 03:06:55,439
» All right. I think I if I have it, we're
gonna Oh, Steve, just one more thing.

2296
03:06:52,800 --> 03:06:58,960
And and all I'm asking John to do is
exactly what he would advise us to do

2297
03:06:57,279 --> 03:07:03,760
with any agreement. It's just to spell
things out so it's very clear. What I

2298
03:07:01,200 --> 03:07:08,160
heard him say was the rush was we wanted
to get this done to align with our

2299
03:07:05,279 --> 03:07:13,279
budget. We just uh approved a budget
amendment. So for convenience sake, yes,

2300
03:07:11,200 --> 03:07:19,120
I understand why we would want to do
this October 1st. I I just don't see the

2301
03:07:16,399 --> 03:07:24,000
harm in just let's let's just take a
look at this again and make sure that

2302
03:07:21,920 --> 03:07:28,319
we're doing the right thing here because
um you know this is potentially a lot of

2303
03:07:26,960 --> 03:07:34,080
money at stake that we're not
anticipating uh that might not be

2304
03:07:30,560 --> 03:07:37,920
spelled out that happens later on.
>> Very good.

2305
03:07:35,520 --> 03:07:41,920
» Yes, absolutely. Mr. Manager,
>> just a couple of points is that um I'm

2306
03:07:40,080 --> 03:07:45,200
still a member of the Florida Bar. I'm
the former in-house general counsel for

2307
03:07:43,359 --> 03:07:48,960
the Monroe County Clerk. So, I'm
familiar with the type of work he does

2308
03:07:47,040 --> 03:07:51,680
and I'm certainly I'm the gatekeeper as
far as some of the expenses and we've

2309
03:07:50,560 --> 03:07:55,600
been making decisions on behalf of the
village as far as what to proceed with

2310
03:07:52,960 --> 03:07:59,040
legally. One point I watched the Ka city
commission meeting the other night and

2311
03:07:56,640 --> 03:08:03,920
their interim city attorney is charging
$850 an hour. So, when you talk about

2312
03:08:01,520 --> 03:08:07,279
the market rate, um we are significantly
under that. So, you know, we do keep a

2313
03:08:05,680 --> 03:08:09,840
look at at I'm familiar with Veron
Bowling. I used ice council when they

2314
03:08:08,640 --> 03:08:14,240
weren't representing the school board
back then. And the legal work that they

2315
03:08:12,319 --> 03:08:17,680
do for the school board is not
comparable to anything that we're we're

2316
03:08:15,760 --> 03:08:20,960
doing up here. True. It's much less and
less complicated. They don't get the

2317
03:08:19,439 --> 03:08:24,560
land use things, for example, that we
get uh they don't get as much

2318
03:08:22,640 --> 03:08:28,560
constituent input on different issues.
And so, I think my recommendation is

2319
03:08:26,560 --> 03:08:32,960
that this is a good deal for us because
we can monitor it. and I'm familiar with

2320
03:08:30,800 --> 03:08:36,319
them for the past year and their bills
have been going down because we're not,

2321
03:08:34,560 --> 03:08:40,080
you know, call them every time we have a
question and I think we've got a good

2322
03:08:38,080 --> 03:08:43,840
control a better control over the legal
cost at this point

2323
03:08:41,200 --> 03:08:46,960
» and and not to disparage that but I felt
like when we were dealing through a lot

2324
03:08:45,439 --> 03:08:51,520
of the negotiations with the school
board we were dealing with a junior

2325
03:08:48,960 --> 03:08:56,800
attorney and we weren't journey dealing
with someone that's as seasoned as John

2326
03:08:54,240 --> 03:09:01,920
is and and and knowledgeable as what
John is on land use matters and

2327
03:08:59,200 --> 03:09:08,080
municipal matters. Uh so I feel like
we're I feel like at at that rate we're

2328
03:09:04,560 --> 03:09:10,560
getting an absolute bargain. So um
>> and the certainty

2329
03:09:09,359 --> 03:09:16,479
» and certainty. Yes.
>> I like the certainty of it, too.

2330
03:09:12,319 --> 03:09:20,479
» Yes. So I think I closed public comment,
but if I haven't, if public comment can

2331
03:09:18,479 --> 03:09:23,600
still be open.
Is there anyone? Marne?

2332
03:09:22,880 --> 03:09:28,640
» No one else.
>> Okay. Public comments then closed.

2333
03:09:25,840 --> 03:09:33,920
Council, what's the pleasure? I'll make
him a motion to approve as presented.

2334
03:09:31,840 --> 03:09:36,560
» Got a motion. Do I have a second?
>> I'll second it.

2335
03:09:35,040 --> 03:09:39,359
» Got a motion and a second. Marty, will
you call the role, please?

2336
03:09:38,160 --> 03:09:41,040
» Council member Deb Gillis,
>> yes.

2337
03:09:39,760 --> 03:09:43,359
» Council member Anna Richards,
>> yes.

2338
03:09:41,520 --> 03:09:46,080
» Council member Steve Freriedman,
>> no.

2339
03:09:44,640 --> 03:09:47,920
» Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney?
>> Yes.

2340
03:09:46,560 --> 03:09:52,680
» And Mayor Don Horton?
>> Yes.

2341
03:09:48,399 --> 03:09:52,680
» That motion passes four to one.

2342
03:09:52,800 --> 03:10:01,279
» Okay. Uh let's move on to tab 14. Tab 14
is a resolution of the village council

2343
03:09:59,680 --> 03:10:06,240
of Alamarda village of Islands, Florida,
amending resolution number 26-08-75

2344
03:10:04,399 --> 03:10:10,399
to increase the authorized not to exceed
amount for RFP26-07

2345
03:10:08,960 --> 03:10:15,439
council chamber broadcast and
audiovisisual system hardware refresh

2346
03:10:12,479 --> 03:10:18,640
from $90,000 to $100,000 authorizing a
village manager to execute any necessary

2347
03:10:17,040 --> 03:10:21,439
amendment or related documents
authorizing expenditure of budgeted

2348
03:10:20,080 --> 03:10:23,439
funds and providing for an effective
date.

2349
03:10:22,720 --> 03:10:28,000
» Hey Vince,
>> good evening mayor, council. Um, so an

2350
03:10:25,760 --> 03:10:32,640
RFP that was approved by council last
month, we found an error in the in in

2351
03:10:30,399 --> 03:10:37,520
the uh initial quote from broadcast
picks who won they won the bid by a long

2352
03:10:35,200 --> 03:10:42,160
shot, but we were missing four of the
five cameras that operate in this room

2353
03:10:39,840 --> 03:10:45,279
and are constantly moving. These cameras
are end of life and I think it's

2354
03:10:43,520 --> 03:10:50,479
important we change those and it was
including the RFP and we had budgeted

2355
03:10:48,080 --> 03:10:54,240
$100,000 for this equipment which is
under how much it cost last time to

2356
03:10:52,080 --> 03:10:58,080
refresh this equipment which is amazing.
So, um, we're asking that you approve

2357
03:10:56,240 --> 03:11:02,319
this so that we can get all the
equipment that we need for this project.

2358
03:11:00,000 --> 03:11:06,319
And I'm happy to take any questions.
>> So, you're saying that we already did

2359
03:11:04,160 --> 03:11:08,960
budget the 100,000. We're not having to
change what we budgeted.

2360
03:11:07,600 --> 03:11:12,720
» This is this is budgeted for this
project specifically.

2361
03:11:10,240 --> 03:11:19,760
» And it came the original quoted 85 and
now it's going to be, I believe, 99

2362
03:11:17,920 --> 03:11:24,560
$99,21.
>> Thank you, Vince. Council, is there any

2363
03:11:22,319 --> 03:11:28,399
questions for Vince?
I see none. Okay. Is there any public

2364
03:11:26,720 --> 03:11:31,680
comment on this issue?
>> No, sir.

2365
03:11:29,920 --> 03:11:38,880
» Public comment one more time. Is there
anybody would like to comment on this?

2366
03:11:35,040 --> 03:11:42,479
All right. Very good. Um, council,
what's your pleasure?

2367
03:11:41,200 --> 03:11:44,479
» Approve.
>> Move to approve.

2368
03:11:43,520 --> 03:11:47,279
» I'll second.
>> We got a motion in second. Morning. Will

2369
03:11:46,160 --> 03:11:49,120
you call the role?
>> Council member Anna Richards.

2370
03:11:48,640 --> 03:11:52,240
» Yes.
>> Council member Deb Gillis.

2371
03:11:50,399 --> 03:11:54,240
» Yes. Council member Steve Freriedman.
>> Yes.

2372
03:11:52,880 --> 03:11:55,680
» Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney.
>> Yes.

2373
03:11:54,560 --> 03:11:57,760
» And Mayor Don Horton.
>> Yes. Motion passes.

2374
03:11:56,560 --> 03:12:01,200
» Thank you, Council. Have a good evening.
>> All right. Thank you so much.

2375
03:11:59,680 --> 03:12:06,319
» Um,
so now we're going to move to the item

2376
03:12:03,279 --> 03:12:15,279
that we uh added on here, which would be
item K. And that would be Terry's issue.

2377
03:12:11,600 --> 03:12:18,640
» And I got another one in the truck.
>> Wear your dress white one. And we'll

2378
03:12:17,040 --> 03:12:21,439
» All right. So that's a resolution of the
village council of Alamara Village of

2379
03:12:19,920 --> 03:12:27,920
Islands, Florida providing for adoption
of the tenative budget of the uh village

2380
03:12:23,840 --> 03:12:32,640
for the fiscal year 2026 2027 commencing
on October 1, 2026 and ending on

2381
03:12:29,920 --> 03:12:35,920
September 30th, 2027.
>> Am I reading the right one, Terry? Okay,

2382
03:12:34,319 --> 03:12:40,800
this that's the one I have in front of
me, but I'm like I'm like, "Wow, I

2383
03:12:37,680 --> 03:12:45,040
didn't study for that one." [laughter]
>> Um yeah. All right. So, I did not have

2384
03:12:44,000 --> 03:12:48,080
yours in front of
>> the add-on item. The [laughter]

2385
03:12:46,319 --> 03:12:52,479
» Yeah, that was the one I had in front of
me separate. So, I uh I apologize

2386
03:12:50,800 --> 03:12:55,439
» as I'm reading. I'm like, that doesn't
sound like a Terry item. So,

2387
03:12:54,240 --> 03:12:58,880
» correct. [laughter]
>> All right. So, back to back to let's

2388
03:12:57,279 --> 03:13:02,880
start over. Resolution of the village
council village of Islands, Florida,

2389
03:13:00,640 --> 03:13:06,880
approving fiscal year 2025 2026
expenditures with Florida Keys Emergency

2390
03:13:04,560 --> 03:13:09,920
Vehicle Repairs LLC for the materials,
repairs, and maintenance of the vill's

2391
03:13:08,240 --> 03:13:12,960
fire rescue. Authorizing village manager
to expend budget funds and providing for

2392
03:13:11,439 --> 03:13:16,000
an effective date. Thank you.
>> All right, Terry.

2393
03:13:14,319 --> 03:13:22,720
» So, good evening, council. What you have
before you is the third not to exceed

2394
03:13:19,840 --> 03:13:28,479
for this vendor for this calendar year.
Uh, in October, beginning of the year,

2395
03:13:25,359 --> 03:13:33,359
uh, came at you guys for 120,000 as our
not to exceed to maintain our eight big

2396
03:13:31,680 --> 03:13:37,600
pieces of equipment, the rescues and the
engines and ladder. Uh, historically,

2397
03:13:35,840 --> 03:13:43,120
that's been about what it's been costing
us to maintain all these trucks. uh come

2398
03:13:40,160 --> 03:13:46,640
around June of this earlier this year, I
came for an amendment to add another

2399
03:13:44,720 --> 03:13:51,439
$20,000 because I was running out of
money quickly and need to keep the

2400
03:13:47,920 --> 03:13:55,120
trucks operating. Uh about two weeks
ago, we ran out of that money as well,

2401
03:13:53,520 --> 03:14:00,479
and I currently have three trucks that
are inoperable, one engine and two

2402
03:13:56,800 --> 03:14:04,000
rescues. So, I contacted the contractor,
asked him what it would take to get

2403
03:14:02,000 --> 03:14:07,520
those three trucks back up and
operational. and don't spend any more

2404
03:14:05,920 --> 03:14:12,239
money till the end of the year as far as
PMS unless it's absolutely crisis mode.

2405
03:14:10,640 --> 03:14:17,040
And he said he could do it for another
20. So, uh, what I'm asking for is to

2406
03:14:15,200 --> 03:14:23,520
actually increase my not to exceed with
Florida Keys EVR LLC to $160,000 for

2407
03:14:20,960 --> 03:14:28,080
this year. If you look on page two of
two, I did have a goof on the

2408
03:14:26,000 --> 03:14:32,399
authorization amount. It's there at 140.
It should actually be 160. It states it

2409
03:14:30,800 --> 03:14:37,200
in the background, but I had the numbers
wrong on the back page.

2410
03:14:35,040 --> 03:14:42,080
I do have it in the budget under my R&M
for this fiscal year and uh it doesn't

2411
03:14:40,160 --> 03:14:46,000
have to do any line item adjustments or
amendments or anything of that nature.

2412
03:14:43,680 --> 03:14:48,800
Just need the authorization to spend it
with this vendor.

2413
03:14:47,439 --> 03:14:52,880
» Terry, what are the what are the
mechanical issues that are creating this

2414
03:14:51,600 --> 03:14:57,120
problem?
>> It's a little bit of everything. Uh

2415
03:14:54,720 --> 03:15:01,840
currently with one of my rescues, the
body mounts are actually failing. So,

2416
03:14:59,680 --> 03:15:06,080
um, of the 12 body mounts, I'm changing
eight of those body mounts out and doing

2417
03:15:03,920 --> 03:15:13,120
brakes at the same time cuz the truck's
out of service. Um, I've had rear main

2418
03:15:09,200 --> 03:15:17,439
seals go out on one motor. Uh, I've got
rear main seals on two of the axles in

2419
03:15:15,840 --> 03:15:21,439
the ladder truck and in one of the
engines. And that's been quite an

2420
03:15:19,359 --> 03:15:26,319
extensive. Um, I had to do brakes and
rotors on one of the engines as well.

2421
03:15:23,840 --> 03:15:30,880
And that's the rotors and everything and
the brakes, the whole assembly. And

2422
03:15:28,239 --> 03:15:34,960
that's quite expensive.
You name it. AC units are a constant

2423
03:15:33,279 --> 03:15:37,840
challenge for us down here to try to
keep it working and functioning,

2424
03:15:36,239 --> 03:15:41,279
especially in the rescues. In the
engines, I'll let them sweat, but in the

2425
03:15:39,600 --> 03:15:44,800
rescues, we can't do that. We can't
transport a patient without a

2426
03:15:42,560 --> 03:15:49,040
functioning AC. So, they have to have AC
in the back. So, when it goes down, the

2427
03:15:46,160 --> 03:15:53,200
truck goes down. Um, most of those units
in the back are actually sealed units.

2428
03:15:50,800 --> 03:15:57,359
So, it's not a you can fix it. As days
of old, you would take it apart and fix

2429
03:15:54,560 --> 03:16:01,359
it. and now it's take it apart, put a
new one on. So, it's kind of ridiculous.

2430
03:15:59,359 --> 03:16:06,720
They don't build them like they used to.
>> What's the life of those?

2431
03:16:04,080 --> 03:16:09,600
What is the life expectancy of those?
>> On which, sir?

2432
03:16:07,920 --> 03:16:12,479
» On the AC's?
>> Uh, if we get two years, we're doing

2433
03:16:11,279 --> 03:16:15,439
pretty good actually.
>> Really?

2434
03:16:13,120 --> 03:16:19,840
» Yes, sir. Keep in mind they run the the
12volt units that are on the top or the

2435
03:16:17,520 --> 03:16:25,600
110 units that are on the top. They run
the entire time they're in the station.

2436
03:16:23,600 --> 03:16:28,800
Yeah. Does anybody want to step on that
guy? Um, they run the entire time the

2437
03:16:27,680 --> 03:16:32,880
trucks are sitting in the station
because we have to maintain uh uh

2438
03:16:31,439 --> 03:16:35,200
temperature control for all of our
medications.

2439
03:16:33,600 --> 03:16:41,000
» Hang on a second. We got a roach going
across the and and the girls are

2440
03:16:37,040 --> 03:16:41,000
freaking out. So, hang on.

2441
03:16:43,359 --> 03:16:47,875
» Ron's grounding. He'll get it in a
minute.

2442
03:16:45,760 --> 03:16:47,875
» Okay. [laughter]

2443
03:16:50,080 --> 03:16:53,080
» So,

2444
03:16:56,239 --> 03:17:03,279
So if
>> approving this extra 20 isn't going to

2445
03:17:00,560 --> 03:17:05,120
guarantee that this guy's going to
>> hang on a second.

2446
03:17:04,479 --> 03:17:08,920
» Yes, sir.
>> It's in purse.

2447
03:17:11,760 --> 03:17:19,600
» Oh, it's still alive. Come on, guys.
>> Hang on. Let me

2448
03:17:16,640 --> 03:17:26,040
» one moment, please. I can't say it's a
technical difficulty.

2449
03:17:22,080 --> 03:17:26,040
» Okay. Are we good now?

2450
03:17:27,279 --> 03:17:32,960
» All right. Where's Where's AJ? We need
to get our exterminator back out here.

2451
03:17:32,319 --> 03:17:38,080
» All right.
>> Never a dull moment. Thank you.

2452
03:17:35,840 --> 03:17:42,080
» If we approve this 20 grand, that's not
going to mean that this guy's going to

2453
03:17:39,439 --> 03:17:44,880
find 20 grand worth of repairs to
>> This is a necess necessity. At this

2454
03:17:44,640 --> 03:17:50,560
point,
>> we we've already over spent with this uh

2455
03:17:48,080 --> 03:17:55,040
contractor for the 140 not to exceed to
get the last truck back in motion. Uh

2456
03:17:53,439 --> 03:17:58,720
this is to get the three that are
currently out of service back in motion.

2457
03:17:57,520 --> 03:18:02,720
» Okay.
>> And no, we're my plan is not to spend

2458
03:18:00,800 --> 03:18:07,120
the whole 20. My plan is to spend what
it takes to get these three trucks back

2459
03:18:04,720 --> 03:18:10,399
in operational. And like I said, I'll
I'll hold off uh preventative

2460
03:18:09,040 --> 03:18:15,279
maintenance and stuff until the new
fiscal year uh come October. It's only

2461
03:18:13,279 --> 03:18:18,319
another three three weeks out, but I've
just got to get these three frontline

2462
03:18:16,800 --> 03:18:20,960
trucks back and operational.
>> Very good. Thank you, Terry.

2463
03:18:19,680 --> 03:18:26,000
» Yes, sir.
>> Is there any public comment?

2464
03:18:24,080 --> 03:18:29,840
» Don't have anyone signed up for this.
>> Okay. And we'll still keep it open. Is

2465
03:18:27,680 --> 03:18:36,720
there any public comment so we can have
an air conditioned ambulance?

2466
03:18:33,840 --> 03:18:38,720
Okay. Council, what's your pleasure?
>> Approve.

2467
03:18:37,520 --> 03:18:40,479
» Move to approve.
>> Second.

2468
03:18:39,200 --> 03:18:43,439
» I've got a second. Morning, will you
call the role?

2469
03:18:42,000 --> 03:18:45,200
» Council member Anna Richards.
>> Yes.

2470
03:18:43,920 --> 03:18:47,279
» Council member Deb Gillis.
>> Yes.

2471
03:18:45,760 --> 03:18:49,359
» Council member Steve Freriedman.
>> Yes.

2472
03:18:48,000 --> 03:18:50,960
» Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney.
>> Yes.

2473
03:18:49,760 --> 03:18:53,040
» And Mayor Don Horton.
>> Yes.

2474
03:18:51,359 --> 03:18:59,000
» Motion passes 5-0.
>> All right. Thank you.

2475
03:18:54,239 --> 03:18:59,000
» We move on to ordinances now.

2476
03:18:59,279 --> 03:19:04,880
» We are John.
>> We are on tab 15.

2477
03:19:02,560 --> 03:19:08,080
» Ordinances. This is an ordinance of I am
village of islands Florida amending

2478
03:19:06,239 --> 03:19:11,520
article 4 administrative procedures of
chapter 30 land development regulations

2479
03:19:10,239 --> 03:19:14,720
of the village code relating to
environmental restoration standards and

2480
03:19:13,200 --> 03:19:17,760
agreements providing for the repeal of
all code provisions and ordinances

2481
03:19:16,239 --> 03:19:21,279
inconsistent with this ordinance
providing for severability providing for

2482
03:19:19,920 --> 03:19:23,760
inclusion in the code providing for the
transmitt of this ordinance to the

2483
03:19:22,399 --> 03:19:26,239
Florida Department of Commerce and
providing for an effective date upon the

2484
03:19:25,200 --> 03:19:31,200
approval of this ordinance by the
Florida Department of Commerce. Um this

2485
03:19:28,319 --> 03:19:37,760
is an ordinance on first reading.
uh this uh um I can uh present this or I

2486
03:19:34,880 --> 03:19:46,239
can discuss this. An an issue arose uh
with a property within the village that

2487
03:19:41,279 --> 03:19:56,239
had um uh improperly uh clear-cut their
property. Um and they uh would under our

2488
03:19:51,920 --> 03:20:03,040
code they would they are required to um
replant uh the improperly cut uh

2489
03:20:00,720 --> 03:20:09,279
vegetation and it and it needs to stay
there for 2 years. Um they are they have

2490
03:20:07,279 --> 03:20:14,960
they have approached the village with a
concern that if they are going to

2491
03:20:11,600 --> 03:20:21,600
replant it, wait two years and then just
cut back cut down the portion that's

2492
03:20:17,359 --> 03:20:25,279
there for two years. um that uh would in
order to build the house that they uh

2493
03:20:23,520 --> 03:20:29,359
thought that that would uh be
inefficient and they wanted to see if

2494
03:20:26,720 --> 03:20:35,279
there was a way that they could pay
replant the areas outside of of the

2495
03:20:31,680 --> 03:20:41,200
footprint and then pay a um mitigation
fine um for the other areas. That was

2496
03:20:38,880 --> 03:20:45,359
not something that was in our code. Um
so that was something that they had

2497
03:20:42,800 --> 03:20:50,960
petitioned and asked for and that is
what we are uh trying to accomplish in

2498
03:20:48,239 --> 03:20:56,000
this code provision. Um if that is the
pleasure of the council um to um uh to

2499
03:20:54,319 --> 03:21:00,640
allow for that scenario.
>> Okay. Thank you, John. Is there any

2500
03:20:58,720 --> 03:21:04,000
council discussion before we open it up
to public comment? Deb, your mic's on.

2501
03:21:03,279 --> 03:21:08,000
» Oh,
>> okay. Deb.

2502
03:21:05,359 --> 03:21:14,399
» Okay. I I think the only thing the part
that John left out was this particular

2503
03:21:10,960 --> 03:21:18,880
piece of property was only because they
have an existing TDR for it. This isn't

2504
03:21:18,399 --> 03:21:22,239
» Yeah,
>> Jennifer saying now

2505
03:21:21,439 --> 03:21:26,640
» No, they have it.
>> There's no TDR on that property.

2506
03:21:24,560 --> 03:21:30,800
» They said John and I stopped saying that
they transferred it.

2507
03:21:29,279 --> 03:21:33,600
» They submitted an application for it. I
know that. Yeah.

2508
03:21:31,359 --> 03:21:36,239
» Okay. So, they asked for a TDR. hasn't
been assigned yet,

2509
03:21:35,200 --> 03:21:41,080
» but it's in the process.
>> But it's in the process. Is that right?

2510
03:21:41,439 --> 03:21:45,120
» That's what we're told. Jennifer, talk
about this.

2511
03:21:43,439 --> 03:21:48,399
» They've applied and it's on hold until
this is resolved. This

2512
03:21:46,399 --> 03:21:51,760
» Okay. So, you can't advance it because
there's a code case.

2513
03:21:49,439 --> 03:21:55,920
» Correct. We can't we can't approve a any
application on any property that has an

2514
03:21:53,680 --> 03:22:00,399
existing code case in the village.
>> Okay. Well, you can, but it's

2515
03:21:59,279 --> 03:22:03,840
» not the code does not allow.
>> The code specifically says you can't.

2516
03:22:01,920 --> 03:22:08,800
» That's correct. Okay. I thought it was
at the discretion of So, it doesn't I

2517
03:22:06,080 --> 03:22:14,080
mean, it kind of makes sense to me
if if why make somebody plant something

2518
03:22:12,319 --> 03:22:17,279
that is going to
>> rip it right back out,

2519
03:22:15,120 --> 03:22:22,479
» be ripped out in two years, right?
>> Um I I mean, I don't have a problem with

2520
03:22:19,840 --> 03:22:26,560
the the fines and the and all of that. I
mean, we need to discourage that every

2521
03:22:25,120 --> 03:22:30,399
chance we get. Well, they have to
replant and they should have to Yeah,

2522
03:22:29,040 --> 03:22:35,680
they should have to replant the area
that is required to be replanted plus

2523
03:22:32,640 --> 03:22:38,720
play all their mitigation fee in play,
>> right? And

2524
03:22:36,800 --> 03:22:40,800
» and their double permit fee and all of
that.

2525
03:22:39,279 --> 03:22:44,080
» Yeah. All of their fines and everything
like that. Yes.

2526
03:22:41,760 --> 03:22:49,600
» And what fund would that money go into?
The the money they pay

2527
03:22:47,760 --> 03:22:52,399
» um the code fines. Uh
>> it goes into general fund. It's a code

2528
03:22:52,000 --> 03:22:57,760
case.
>> General which money? Well, let's let's

2529
03:22:54,880 --> 03:23:02,239
say they have to replant where they're
not going to build, but doesn't really

2530
03:22:59,920 --> 03:23:05,760
make much sense to plant trees that in
two years are going to be taken out. So,

2531
03:23:04,319 --> 03:23:08,000
the money that they would pay, the
mitigation

2532
03:23:06,399 --> 03:23:10,880
» mitigation money goes into the landscape
mitigation fund.

2533
03:23:08,960 --> 03:23:15,520
» So, we like we can fix a hill that was
butchered over

2534
03:23:13,359 --> 03:23:19,120
» that could be one use of that money.
>> It could go into planting, right?

2535
03:23:17,120 --> 03:23:22,399
» Yeah. It could go into the Peter plant,
the Johnny Apple Seed fund. [laughter]

2536
03:23:21,279 --> 03:23:27,120
» Okay. Just making sure.
>> Yes. All right. Is there any public

2537
03:23:25,200 --> 03:23:31,306
comment on this?
>> Yes. Joe Wishmire.

2538
03:23:28,640 --> 03:23:33,325
» Welcome, Joe. I kind of figured that.
[laughter]

2539
03:23:33,760 --> 03:23:42,239
» Thank you, Joe.
>> Yes. Joe Wishmire, Plantation Key.

2540
03:23:40,000 --> 03:23:48,800
I guess in the ordinance, it even states
that Marada has established LDRs to

2541
03:23:45,600 --> 03:23:55,040
properly guide development and protect
the health, safety, and welfare of the

2542
03:23:51,520 --> 03:24:01,439
public. to allow additional alternatives
where premature land clearing,

2543
03:23:58,800 --> 03:24:05,920
grading, filling or vegetation like
making a payment to the village in lie

2544
03:24:03,359 --> 03:24:10,960
of restoration goes against preserving
our environment. Instead, the penalties

2545
03:24:08,640 --> 03:24:16,640
should be made much harsher to
discourage the clearing of lots. Why

2546
03:24:14,319 --> 03:24:20,960
amend LDRs and everything now when our
new comp plan is supposed to be coming

2547
03:24:18,640 --> 03:24:27,760
out? Although staff has had it for about
a year now. Um why don't we wait and see

2548
03:24:25,120 --> 03:24:32,640
and that way we can incorporate the new
LDRs that we want into our comp plan.

2549
03:24:31,200 --> 03:24:37,439
The fact that you're talking about
planting trees that might get cut down

2550
03:24:35,200 --> 03:24:41,279
in two years, well if they would have
followed the law, they wouldn't have

2551
03:24:38,640 --> 03:24:46,399
been allowed to build to begin with. So,
I think that rewarding people for doing

2552
03:24:43,840 --> 03:24:51,216
this is not what we're all about here.
We should be trying to preserve and make

2553
03:24:48,880 --> 03:24:54,239
sure that people do follow the code and
[clears throat] when they don't, there

2554
03:24:52,560 --> 03:24:59,120
should be much harsher penalties,
especially for clearing without a permit

2555
03:24:56,319 --> 03:25:03,279
or illegal clearing. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Joe.

2556
03:25:01,040 --> 03:25:06,640
Is there any other public comment?
>> No, sir.

2557
03:25:04,640 --> 03:25:10,399
» No one online?
>> No, sir.

2558
03:25:07,279 --> 03:25:12,880
» One more shot. Public comment.
Okay, very good. Public comments closed.

2559
03:25:12,319 --> 03:25:17,359
T
>> just kind of related to that, didn't we

2560
03:25:14,720 --> 03:25:25,120
give instruction to the staff to look
into increasing the fines and and and

2561
03:25:21,439 --> 03:25:28,239
to make it a little bit more um uh
difficult for someone to think about

2562
03:25:26,960 --> 03:25:30,640
doing that. It's just cost of doing
business.

2563
03:25:28,800 --> 03:25:36,239
» Yeah, I think I think that's on the
table is to to add more discouragement

2564
03:25:33,359 --> 03:25:40,560
to illegal clearing. Yeah.
>> Um, Deb,

2565
03:25:38,000 --> 03:25:45,279
» well, it's almost identical to what he
just said is I think it was only about a

2566
03:25:42,640 --> 03:25:49,439
month ago that we we sat here and we
said that no, we need to discourage

2567
03:25:47,040 --> 03:25:56,560
this. We need to not allow this to
happen. Um it does seem kind of um

2568
03:25:54,239 --> 03:26:03,439
counterproductive to plant trees to have
them cut down, but at the same time, if

2569
03:25:59,680 --> 03:26:09,920
we want to stop what's going on, we have
to start by not changing the code to

2570
03:26:07,359 --> 03:26:14,720
allow somebody to do what they should
have known that they shouldn't do. They

2571
03:26:12,000 --> 03:26:20,479
had a couple permits. They had a uh this
isn't this isn't a property specific,

2572
03:26:17,359 --> 03:26:26,319
although it involves a property. Yeah.
>> Um,

2573
03:26:22,479 --> 03:26:32,399
these in particular, these people had
um some rights to to

2574
03:26:29,840 --> 03:26:35,279
uh cut down some mangroves and whatever,
but they didn't have all of the permits

2575
03:26:34,399 --> 03:26:39,040
that they needed.
>> Yeah.

2576
03:26:36,000 --> 03:26:45,359
» And and I'm just afraid of the snowball
effect of we're just going to let the

2577
03:26:43,040 --> 03:26:50,239
developers figure out a way to get
around it and do more of it.

2578
03:26:51,279 --> 03:27:00,560
I get you.
Oh. Um I think I and maybe

2579
03:26:58,239 --> 03:27:08,560
I hopefully staff looked at this. I
think that this doesn't like encourage

2580
03:27:04,080 --> 03:27:11,920
somebody to go out and illegally clear
uh and they still have to pay the fines

2581
03:27:10,640 --> 03:27:17,040
and they still have to pay the
mitigations.

2582
03:27:13,520 --> 03:27:24,399
It it just um
fixes an issue to where somebody could

2583
03:27:19,840 --> 03:27:30,319
have cleared their lot with a permit and
um and and in this instance they would

2584
03:27:27,520 --> 03:27:37,040
have to transplant that entire lot to
bring it back to its current condition,

2585
03:27:32,800 --> 03:27:42,160
wait two years, and then tear out
everything that they had just put in.

2586
03:27:39,600 --> 03:27:45,520
It's only two years old. It wasn't a
hammock.

2587
03:27:43,279 --> 03:27:46,640
It's But they'd only have to remove 50%
of it.

2588
03:27:45,920 --> 03:27:51,760
» I'm sorry. What?
>> They could only remove 50% of it. They

2589
03:27:49,359 --> 03:27:54,640
removed all of it.
>> But I'm saying it wasn't a hammock, so

2590
03:27:53,200 --> 03:28:00,520
it wasn't a 50%.
>> I was told that they would have to leave

2591
03:27:57,520 --> 03:28:00,520
50%.

2592
03:28:00,800 --> 03:28:05,040
» They're
>> 50% of the lot, I think, is what it I

2593
03:28:03,600 --> 03:28:07,680
think is what it is. They were allowed
50% clearing.

2594
03:28:06,239 --> 03:28:12,239
» So, it was a ham.
>> No, they didn't clear the whole thing.

2595
03:28:09,680 --> 03:28:13,840
They cleared part of it is what I was
told.

2596
03:28:12,800 --> 03:28:17,040
» CVS.
>> No, this is on lower map.

2597
03:28:16,399 --> 03:28:21,120
» On lower map.
>> Oh, okay.

2598
03:28:17,760 --> 03:28:25,520
» I think Yeah, maybe we should
>> clear this up, Daniel. So, was this a

2599
03:28:23,840 --> 03:28:28,800
hammock piece of property?
>> No, it was all wetlands with mangroves

2600
03:28:27,840 --> 03:28:31,520
and buttonwood.
>> Okay.

2601
03:28:29,200 --> 03:28:36,160
» So, they they had a permit with Army
Corp and DP to fill wetlands. And that

2602
03:28:33,920 --> 03:28:39,600
was that was the mistake on the owner.
They didn't have any permits through the

2603
03:28:37,680 --> 03:28:42,960
village. They were in BPASS. They didn't
have any building rights yet. Okay.

2604
03:28:41,120 --> 03:28:47,760
» So, they filled the wetland and they cut
all the vegetation.

2605
03:28:44,960 --> 03:28:50,880
» They would they have gotten a permit to
fill the wetlands

2606
03:28:49,359 --> 03:28:54,640
» if when they if their BP pass got
issued. Their their plans was to fill

2607
03:28:52,880 --> 03:28:58,720
the wetlands and then build the house.
>> How do you fill wetlands?

2608
03:28:56,399 --> 03:29:03,600
» They were low quality. It came up low on
the um key.

2609
03:29:00,160 --> 03:29:08,720
» Oh, so okay. So, a low
>> Yes.

2610
03:29:04,479 --> 03:29:12,479
» Okay. So like a red flag wetland or a a
wetland that should have been preserved,

2611
03:29:11,200 --> 03:29:16,000
» right? It was low enough quality to
allow the conversion from lowquality

2612
03:29:14,640 --> 03:29:19,169
wetland to upland.
>> Okay. [clears throat]

2613
03:29:20,000 --> 03:29:27,120
» So now are we we're not approving
filling of wetlands?

2614
03:29:25,359 --> 03:29:28,640
» No, they have no approvals through us
right now. They have no permits through

2615
03:29:28,239 --> 03:29:33,760
us.
>> This is only vegetation.

2616
03:29:31,200 --> 03:29:36,640
» But the wetland is currently filled.
>> Yes. Yeah, it's [clears throat] already

2617
03:29:35,359 --> 03:29:38,880
filled
>> and

2618
03:29:37,200 --> 03:29:44,840
» it was filled with it was filled with
dirt from

2619
03:29:39,600 --> 03:29:44,840
» if he's allowed to fill the wetland area

2620
03:29:45,120 --> 03:29:51,520
» with the after the fact. He's paying a
fairly large fee for doing what he's

2621
03:29:50,399 --> 03:29:54,640
done.
>> We're not charging him anything for the

2622
03:29:53,279 --> 03:29:58,800
fill of the wetlands.
>> We're not charging an after the fact

2623
03:29:56,880 --> 03:30:02,800
fill permit for that.
>> It's it's in code right now. Right now,

2624
03:30:00,479 --> 03:30:07,520
the the the code requires that the lot
be restored back to the pre um the

2625
03:30:05,439 --> 03:30:10,720
conditions before the illegal filling
and the removal of vegetation.

2626
03:30:09,279 --> 03:30:14,560
» So, he's going to have to remove the
fill

2627
03:30:12,319 --> 03:30:19,200
» the the way the code is now. Yes.
>> Yes. We're not changing the code to

2628
03:30:17,120 --> 03:30:21,520
where he's going to keep the fill.
>> He would have to remove the fill.

2629
03:30:20,720 --> 03:30:24,080
» This
>> the the fill came from the Colbert

2630
03:30:23,439 --> 03:30:27,920
project.
>> John,

2631
03:30:26,720 --> 03:30:31,520
» I thought we were just talking about
plants.

2632
03:30:28,319 --> 03:30:33,200
» I did, too. That's what this that's what
this is discussing. This is just talking

2633
03:30:32,960 --> 03:30:35,040
about
>> this is a general

2634
03:30:33,920 --> 03:30:36,640
» this is only plants
>> plants.

2635
03:30:35,920 --> 03:30:42,560
» Okay.
>> This is this is this is applies to not

2636
03:30:40,479 --> 03:30:45,120
just this property but this is the only
one that it applies to right now.

2637
03:30:44,239 --> 03:30:48,960
» I understand that.
>> Okay.

2638
03:30:45,920 --> 03:30:52,800
» But it's only plants. It's not Phil.
>> That's true. And he

2639
03:30:50,560 --> 03:30:57,359
» So in order to clear his code case, he's
going to need to remove the fill that he

2640
03:30:55,760 --> 03:31:01,680
put in illegally. Correct. That's not
what you said a minute ago.

2641
03:30:59,439 --> 03:31:03,439
So, he's going to remove the fill to
clear his code case.

2642
03:31:02,880 --> 03:31:08,960
» Yes.
>> Okay. Okay.

2643
03:31:06,800 --> 03:31:12,960
» Yeah.
>> And supposedly the fill came from the

2644
03:31:10,880 --> 03:31:16,239
Culver projects.
>> Yeah, it was free.

2645
03:31:14,239 --> 03:31:19,840
» Yeah, it was free.
>> That's where it came from. But they

2646
03:31:17,920 --> 03:31:23,760
should have to
>> I think it's silly to put plants in to

2647
03:31:22,160 --> 03:31:27,840
just rip them back out in two years.
>> I do, too. I think you should have to

2648
03:31:25,439 --> 03:31:30,640
pay multiple [clears throat] and pay all
the fines 100%.

2649
03:31:29,439 --> 03:31:36,160
» 100%.
>> But if you have a TDR that they're

2650
03:31:34,640 --> 03:31:40,160
waiting to put on the property but can't
put on the property until we say that

2651
03:31:38,239 --> 03:31:42,000
they can put the TDR on the property, I
think it's kind of silly.

2652
03:31:41,520 --> 03:31:47,439
» Yeah.
>> The the TDR has not been purchased yet.

2653
03:31:45,359 --> 03:31:51,040
» No, they have it.
They have a TDR.

2654
03:31:49,040 --> 03:31:56,319
» They've made an application to the
>> They've made an application. They do not

2655
03:31:53,120 --> 03:31:59,279
have put it on this property.
>> They've made an application

2656
03:31:58,160 --> 03:32:02,640
» to put it on this property
>> to get the TDR

2657
03:32:02,080 --> 03:32:06,880
» on this property.
>> They do not own the TDR yet.

2658
03:32:05,439 --> 03:32:10,560
» It's not what I was told.
>> Jennifer,

2659
03:32:09,040 --> 03:32:15,040
» we wouldn't know if they own it or not.
They have an application in to transfer

2660
03:32:13,200 --> 03:32:17,680
a building right to this property. I'm
not sure what

2661
03:32:15,840 --> 03:32:20,479
» the owner told me. I was told
>> The owner told me they had a TDR.

2662
03:32:19,840 --> 03:32:24,160
» Oh my goodness.
>> They have a TDR in line. They have one

2663
03:32:23,279 --> 03:32:28,479
lined up.
>> They own one. They b They have one.

2664
03:32:26,239 --> 03:32:30,880
» It's a It's a mute point.
>> It's kind of an apple and orange kind of

2665
03:32:30,239 --> 03:32:34,960
thing.
>> Yeah. I still think it's silly to put

2666
03:32:33,279 --> 03:32:36,960
plants in and turn around and rip plants
out. So, I just don't agree with that

2667
03:32:36,560 --> 03:32:38,560
part.
>> That's right.

2668
03:32:38,080 --> 03:32:41,520
» Okay.
>> That's all we're talking about, right?

2669
03:32:39,920 --> 03:32:47,920
» That's all we're talking about.
>> So, I I just perceive that as it's not

2670
03:32:45,279 --> 03:32:53,200
maybe encouraging, but I could see this
happening going down the road. Okay. I

2671
03:32:50,640 --> 03:32:57,439
have a TDR. I have a lot. It's got lots
of vegetation on it. Let me cut down all

2672
03:32:55,680 --> 03:33:03,040
the vegetation
and then just pay the fine so that I can

2673
03:33:01,120 --> 03:33:08,160
do that instead of going through proper
channels. We just sat here last month

2674
03:33:05,840 --> 03:33:14,399
saying that we need to stop that.
>> So maybe one more

2675
03:33:10,800 --> 03:33:18,960
aspect to this is that they have to wait
the two years.

2676
03:33:16,800 --> 03:33:22,640
» We've need to make it serious enough
that people stop this. Okay.

2677
03:33:21,439 --> 03:33:24,720
» Well, I think that's where the fines
come in.

2678
03:33:23,120 --> 03:33:28,640
» Well, where are we at with the fines?
And do we ever

2679
03:33:26,160 --> 03:33:31,520
» We just said increase them and nothing
was done.

2680
03:33:29,200 --> 03:33:33,760
» This We're not technically we're not
talking about one case.

2681
03:33:33,120 --> 03:33:37,920
» I know that.
>> We're talking about in the future. What

2682
03:33:35,680 --> 03:33:41,359
happens in the future on another lot?
>> Yes.

2683
03:33:39,279 --> 03:33:43,120
» But my point is we haven't increase the
fines yet.

2684
03:33:42,640 --> 03:33:47,279
» No.
>> Okay. Let's increase.

2685
03:33:45,760 --> 03:33:51,279
I'm okay with [laughter] that. I don't
know. I don't know that we can back

2686
03:33:50,399 --> 03:33:53,920
increase.
>> That's what I'm saying. Let's

2687
03:33:53,279 --> 03:33:58,439
» That's fine.
>> Let's increase them before we give them

2688
03:33:55,439 --> 03:33:58,439
permission.

2689
03:33:59,040 --> 03:34:06,000
» Okay.
Is that Well, let's do this. The public

2690
03:34:04,000 --> 03:34:07,600
comment is closed. Is there a motion on
the table

2691
03:34:06,479 --> 03:34:11,520
» to do what?
>> To approve this

2692
03:34:09,279 --> 03:34:15,840
» as he wants to know is there a motion as
as presented

2693
03:34:14,800 --> 03:34:22,279
» the fine
>> going once. Is there a motion?

2694
03:34:18,399 --> 03:34:22,279
» You want to double the fine?

2695
03:34:22,720 --> 03:34:27,200
» Or
>> you want to wait until the fines are

2696
03:34:24,960 --> 03:34:31,200
» based on the I would rather
>> based upon the new fines

2697
03:34:29,040 --> 03:34:34,800
» based upon the new fine schedule.
>> Well, let's when is that going to

2698
03:34:33,120 --> 03:34:37,800
happen?
So

2699
03:34:37,920 --> 03:34:42,000
» go ahead.
>> Yes.

2700
03:34:38,960 --> 03:34:47,200
» I was say one option if you if you all
are wanted to pass it subject to you

2701
03:34:44,319 --> 03:34:51,840
know fine u an evaluation of the fines
is we are still on first reading. So we

2702
03:34:49,760 --> 03:34:55,200
could you could pass this on first
reading. We don't have to bring it back

2703
03:34:53,760 --> 03:35:00,800
immediately. We have to bring it back
within um 180 days. Um, so we could

2704
03:34:58,960 --> 03:35:06,560
bring it back at a later date while
while you as a council evaluate the

2705
03:35:03,120 --> 03:35:10,319
fines um and uh and potentially address
those or or we could defer this item as

2706
03:35:09,520 --> 03:35:15,040
well. So
>> can can something be added like in

2707
03:35:13,040 --> 03:35:17,600
addition to fines that they have a year
waiting period or a two-year waiting

2708
03:35:16,800 --> 03:35:21,200
period?
>> Well, that would be existing. So yeah, I

2709
03:35:19,680 --> 03:35:26,239
mean certainly you can make an amendment
to the to the language that's presented

2710
03:35:23,359 --> 03:35:30,880
and if you wanted to to add uh add that
that that in addition to paying um

2711
03:35:29,120 --> 03:35:35,840
paying the fine that there's also a
waiting period to to build of x amount

2712
03:35:34,239 --> 03:35:40,160
of time. That that's certainly something
we could

2713
03:35:36,720 --> 03:35:44,880
» I just think it's silly to to to
uh to make somebody plant a whole lot of

2714
03:35:42,880 --> 03:35:48,560
plants just to tear them out in the
future. I I just that

2715
03:35:46,720 --> 03:35:53,680
» that part is the part that
>> but I think that the illegal clearing

2716
03:35:50,880 --> 03:35:57,040
and the illegal feeling filling of of
that property

2717
03:35:55,200 --> 03:35:59,359
» there I think that there should be
>> well they should have to pay the fines

2718
03:35:58,399 --> 03:36:02,399
for all of that.
>> Yes.

2719
03:35:59,760 --> 03:36:07,840
» And I why don't we
>> defer it till we figure it out

2720
03:36:04,880 --> 03:36:12,640
» or we can approve it until they come
back with a new fine schedule based upon

2721
03:36:09,760 --> 03:36:16,319
a new fine schedule that we can approve.
Well, that gives a deadline at least to

2722
03:36:14,640 --> 03:36:20,000
when the fines come in front of us,
which is not open-ended.

2723
03:36:19,629 --> 03:36:24,160
[clears throat]
>> I just think it's I think it's crazy to

2724
03:36:22,080 --> 03:36:26,720
me to sit there and
>> Yep.

2725
03:36:25,040 --> 03:36:33,359
» to do that.
>> Well, somebody want to make a motion,

2726
03:36:31,359 --> 03:36:37,279
» no. I mean, I I I'm following the
discussion. We're getting off the rails

2727
03:36:34,640 --> 03:36:41,840
a little bit, but um I don't see we can
either we can either defer it and you

2728
03:36:39,840 --> 03:36:44,880
know put the horse before the cart or we
can do it now, put the cart before the

2729
03:36:43,359 --> 03:36:48,560
horse and get it done in the in the
inter room. But I agree we we it doesn't

2730
03:36:47,279 --> 03:36:52,880
make any sense to plant trees and rip
them out in a couple years. Um if we if

2731
03:36:51,439 --> 03:36:56,960
we pass this tonight with a certain
language that um maybe that will will

2732
03:36:55,439 --> 03:37:01,600
help anybody else that might be thinking
about doing that in in the future in the

2733
03:36:58,800 --> 03:37:05,680
interim. think we could probably um work
on figuring out what kind of fines we

2734
03:37:03,840 --> 03:37:10,160
want to do to deter that sort of
situation from happening. So, to me, it

2735
03:37:07,279 --> 03:37:15,359
doesn't matter whether we defer it or or
agree to it tonight. Um, you know, but

2736
03:37:12,800 --> 03:37:19,200
we need to we need to work on the fines.
>> Well, I think I think hitting them with

2737
03:37:16,800 --> 03:37:23,840
the bigger fines is what's going to
discourage people from doing that.

2738
03:37:22,319 --> 03:37:28,160
» Yes.
I just Yeah. So,

2739
03:37:26,000 --> 03:37:31,760
» can we c talk about a combination of
time weight with that?

2740
03:37:30,399 --> 03:37:35,760
» I'm sorry. What's that?
>> Can we talk about a combination of time

2741
03:37:33,760 --> 03:37:40,960
weight? You have to wait before you can
reapply. You can pay your fine, but you

2742
03:37:38,479 --> 03:37:45,920
going to have to wait.
>> But if they end up having a building

2743
03:37:42,399 --> 03:37:49,600
right, what's the point? Like,
if they didn't have a building right and

2744
03:37:47,279 --> 03:37:53,040
they were just sitting in the line, who
cares if they had to sit there and wait

2745
03:37:51,120 --> 03:37:57,840
five years?
But if they have the building, right?

2746
03:37:56,080 --> 03:38:05,040
» Yeah.
>> If they have It's It's just the

2747
03:38:02,239 --> 03:38:08,840
» How do I explain this? Um it's just the
point of of

2748
03:38:09,040 --> 03:38:14,640
not giving them what they really wanted.
>> Yeah. The perception.

2749
03:38:12,880 --> 03:38:18,479
» And I understand that. And I also
understand that they had the D and the

2750
03:38:16,160 --> 03:38:21,520
Army Corps permit, which in their minds
thought that they had the okay, not

2751
03:38:20,080 --> 03:38:26,880
realizing they needed the village
permit. But at some point, I don't care.

2752
03:38:24,319 --> 03:38:31,600
Triple the fines to keep people from
doing it. I'm all for that.

2753
03:38:30,479 --> 03:38:34,960
» Be a discouragement.
>> I just think it's silly to put plants in

2754
03:38:33,520 --> 03:38:39,600
and rip plants out.
>> But the time thing you want to do can go

2755
03:38:37,920 --> 03:38:42,000
» part of the fines. And
>> that can be part of the fines.

2756
03:38:40,960 --> 03:38:45,920
» I agree.
>> I agree. Not saying

2757
03:38:43,680 --> 03:38:49,760
» I I agree. It's It's crazy to plant
trees to know that two years from now or

2758
03:38:48,319 --> 03:38:53,600
whatever that we're going to rip them
out or they're going to rip them out. I

2759
03:38:51,680 --> 03:38:56,319
I agree wholeheartedly. I've had this
argument since I read this.

2760
03:38:55,920 --> 03:39:03,359
» Yes.
>> You know,

2761
03:38:57,439 --> 03:39:10,239
» but to to not penalize
>> um them strong enough to to for the next

2762
03:39:07,520 --> 03:39:15,120
person it we're we're seeing more of it.
We're seeing more of it. We had

2763
03:39:12,880 --> 03:39:18,479
» one about five years ago. You you've got
something else. Sorry,

2764
03:39:16,000 --> 03:39:21,760
» John. Well, one question was um as we
were talking over here was we want to cl

2765
03:39:20,160 --> 03:39:26,319
get clarity on what fines you guys are
talking about so we can analyze

2766
03:39:24,560 --> 03:39:30,319
» the code enforcement fines I think is
the after the fact clearing the after

2767
03:39:28,239 --> 03:39:33,439
the fact filling
>> the code enforcement fines to increase

2768
03:39:32,560 --> 03:39:40,800
those fines.
>> Yeah. So that one we're capped under um

2769
03:39:37,680 --> 03:39:45,359
state statute as to how high we can go
>> um for for

2770
03:39:43,600 --> 03:39:52,080
code violations
>> for permit fees.

2771
03:39:48,960 --> 03:39:55,760
» No permit fees would have to be Yeah.
So, but if we're going to do permit

2772
03:39:54,239 --> 03:40:02,399
fees, so Sheila is going through that
process now of um of analyzing the the

2773
03:39:59,680 --> 03:40:06,239
permit fees and uh what and justifying
what our fees.

2774
03:40:03,520 --> 03:40:09,520
» So, an after the fact permit fee can be
X plus a double permit.

2775
03:40:08,479 --> 03:40:11,840
» So, that's Yeah. So, that's different.
So, I'm trying to we're trying to figure

2776
03:40:10,560 --> 03:40:13,920
out because there's different fines and
then there's also the fines that are

2777
03:40:13,279 --> 03:40:17,600
built into this.
>> So, we can build it into the permit fee

2778
03:40:15,680 --> 03:40:22,239
and not the code enforcement fee.
>> Yeah. And there's also fines that are

2779
03:40:19,200 --> 03:40:27,760
built into this provision which is um
paying the mitigations paying 100% of

2780
03:40:25,200 --> 03:40:29,600
the estimated cost of restoration as as
determined by the planning director.

2781
03:40:29,279 --> 03:40:32,560
Right.
>> So that was also another reason why I

2782
03:40:31,120 --> 03:40:36,160
asked because if you were talking about
the fines, the mitigation fines, we

2783
03:40:34,319 --> 03:40:41,200
could deal with those right now because
it's it's just a simple, you know,

2784
03:40:38,800 --> 03:40:46,800
listen, we we don't agree it's 100%, we
think it should be x%. Um and but that

2785
03:40:44,319 --> 03:40:51,120
that's solely the mitigation fee fine.
So that was why we were trying to get

2786
03:40:48,160 --> 03:40:54,239
clarification as to if if you guys were
talking about all of them or if there

2787
03:40:52,239 --> 03:40:57,120
was a specific group of fines that you
were talking.

2788
03:40:54,640 --> 03:41:03,359
» No, what I'm hearing is a consensus that
we need to build in a deterrent some way

2789
03:41:00,720 --> 03:41:08,279
where this doesn't
happen. Yes.

2790
03:41:05,279 --> 03:41:08,279
» Okay.

2791
03:41:08,880 --> 03:41:11,680
» Well, I don't know what's the pleasure
of the council.

2792
03:41:10,880 --> 03:41:16,439
» Defer.
>> Do you want to defer? Do you want to

2793
03:41:13,120 --> 03:41:16,439
make a motion?

2794
03:41:19,200 --> 03:41:26,640
What's your motion?
>> What's your motion?

2795
03:41:22,160 --> 03:41:31,120
» I said motion to move forward, but
not until we won't approve on a second

2796
03:41:28,880 --> 03:41:35,279
reading until they come back with a
redefined

2797
03:41:33,120 --> 03:41:39,359
uh fines to try to keep people from
doing it. And maybe we do six months to

2798
03:41:37,520 --> 03:41:41,920
a year, but two years to sit there and
wait, I just think is

2799
03:41:41,359 --> 03:41:47,600
» okay.
>> Is crazy.

2800
03:41:44,640 --> 03:41:52,640
I think extra fines.
>> Is there a second to her motion?

2801
03:41:51,040 --> 03:41:57,040
» I want it spelled out better.
>> You want it spelled out better? Okay.

2802
03:41:55,359 --> 03:41:58,800
» Before we do anything,
>> you want to defer this?

2803
03:41:58,239 --> 03:42:03,600
» I do.
>> Okay. Well, hang on a sec. There's a

2804
03:42:00,479 --> 03:42:08,880
motion on the table. Is there a second?
>> Is there a second again?

2805
03:42:06,479 --> 03:42:14,239
Hearing no second. The motion's going to
fail. What is your motion? to defer it

2806
03:42:12,080 --> 03:42:18,880
until we have a better structure for
fines and for

2807
03:42:17,439 --> 03:42:21,200
» the process penalty. Yeah, the whole
process because this is too vague for

2808
03:42:20,880 --> 03:42:26,560
me.
>> Very good. Is there a second on that?

2809
03:42:25,439 --> 03:42:27,600
» I'll second it.
>> Okay,

2810
03:42:27,040 --> 03:42:32,000
» it's fine.
>> So, there's a motion and second to defer

2811
03:42:30,239 --> 03:42:37,279
this
until we get a better feel for what's

2812
03:42:34,960 --> 03:42:39,040
going on here. Something more defined.
>> Yes.

2813
03:42:37,760 --> 03:42:43,920
» Okay.
>> But which is going to be when?

2814
03:42:41,760 --> 03:42:48,000
who don't probably won't be till
November or December at least.

2815
03:42:46,560 --> 03:42:50,880
» When do we think we could have that
back?

2816
03:42:49,359 --> 03:42:54,160
» For clarity, that's a question.
>> Well, I guess if if you're looking at

2817
03:42:52,239 --> 03:43:00,399
the permit fee fines as well, we would
need to get the the analysis back from

2818
03:42:57,520 --> 03:43:04,000
the uh the
who whoever I can't remember the name of

2819
03:43:01,840 --> 03:43:08,800
who we retain, but the entity that we
retain to analyze the permit fees. So,

2820
03:43:06,239 --> 03:43:12,239
uh it wouldn't be November. uh could
potentially be December, but we'd have

2821
03:43:10,239 --> 03:43:14,319
to check to see if if Sheila knows what
the status of that is. But

2822
03:43:14,000 --> 03:43:17,439
» okay,
>> once we get once we get their their

2823
03:43:16,000 --> 03:43:21,120
recommendation and then we can bring
that back to you all for uh the permit

2824
03:43:20,319 --> 03:43:26,640
fees.
>> All right, there's a motion in a second.

2825
03:43:24,080 --> 03:43:32,080
» Um
we didn't have any public comment on

2826
03:43:28,080 --> 03:43:34,640
this. Marty, will you call the role?
>> Hey, Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney.

2827
03:43:33,680 --> 03:43:38,239
» Yes.
>> Council member Anna Richards.

2828
03:43:36,000 --> 03:43:42,920
» Yes. Council member Steve Freriedman.
>> Yes.

2829
03:43:39,120 --> 03:43:42,920
» Council member Deb Gillis.

2830
03:43:45,279 --> 03:43:48,479
» Yes.
>> And Mayor Don Horton.

2831
03:43:48,080 --> 03:43:52,439
» Yes.
>> That motion passes 5-0.

2832
03:43:53,279 --> 03:44:00,080
» Hopefully we come back something that's
a lot more defined on your makeover.

2833
03:43:57,760 --> 03:44:03,600
» I think it makes sense just to just line
it up a little bit better. I think it's

2834
03:44:01,600 --> 03:44:06,479
clear. We we we know what the intent is.
Let's let's get the um deterrent in

2835
03:44:05,920 --> 03:44:08,560
first.
>> Yeah,

2836
03:44:07,040 --> 03:44:13,359
» 100%.
>> All right, moving on.

2837
03:44:10,720 --> 03:44:18,560
» We're into the uh we're into the quasi
uh judicial portion of the um item to

2838
03:44:16,080 --> 03:44:26,319
the agenda today. There's three uh quasi
judicial items. 16, 17, and 18. Uh tab

2839
03:44:22,080 --> 03:44:29,120
17, and 18 are um companion items. Uh
please be advised that the following

2840
03:44:27,520 --> 03:44:31,520
agenda items are quasi judicial in
nature. If you wish to comment upon

2841
03:44:30,239 --> 03:44:34,640
these items, please inform the village
clerk by filling out the available

2842
03:44:32,800 --> 03:44:37,199
signup form. An opportunity for persons
to speak on each item will be made

2843
03:44:35,920 --> 03:44:40,640
available after the applicant and staff
have made their presentations on each

2844
03:44:38,640 --> 03:44:44,080
item. As a reminder, testimony inquas
judicial items must be in person. Zoom

2845
03:44:42,319 --> 03:44:46,160
testimony will not be permitted. These
proceedings will be handled in

2846
03:44:45,120 --> 03:44:49,279
accordance with the village code
requirements. All testimony, including

2847
03:44:48,000 --> 03:44:52,000
public testimony and evidence, will be
made under oath or affirmation.

2848
03:44:50,800 --> 03:44:55,040
Additionally, each person who gives
testimony may be subject to

2849
03:44:53,120 --> 03:44:58,560
cross-examination. If you do not wish to
be either cross-examined or sworn, your

2850
03:44:56,720 --> 03:45:01,279
testimony shall be disregarded. The
general public will not be permitted to

2851
03:44:59,840 --> 03:45:04,960
cross-examine witnesses, but the public
may request the council to ask questions

2852
03:45:02,960 --> 03:45:08,560
of staff or witnesses on their behalf.
The full agenda item uh the full agenda

2853
03:45:06,800 --> 03:45:11,439
packet on each item is hereby entered
into the record along with the village

2854
03:45:09,760 --> 03:45:14,000
code and comprehensive plan. Any
correspondence that was received by the

2855
03:45:12,640 --> 03:45:17,040
village staff is included in the file
and part of the record. Persons

2856
03:45:15,520 --> 03:45:19,840
representing organizations must present
evidence of their authority to speak

2857
03:45:18,239 --> 03:45:23,680
with the organization. Further details
of the quas judicial procedures in

2858
03:45:21,279 --> 03:45:27,199
section 30-256 of the village code may
be obtained from the village clerk. As I

2859
03:45:25,840 --> 03:45:31,680
mentioned tonight, there are three quasi
judicial items. Tab 16,1 1718. At this

2860
03:45:30,239 --> 03:45:35,120
time, I would like to ask anyone who
intends to speak on the quasi judicial

2861
03:45:33,199 --> 03:45:40,080
items uh to please raise your hand and
be sworn in by the clerk.

2862
03:45:38,640 --> 03:45:43,040
» In the matter in which you're about to
give testimony, do you spare to tell the

2863
03:45:41,760 --> 03:45:45,680
truth, the whole truth, and nothing but
the truth?

2864
03:45:44,720 --> 03:45:49,600
» The witnesses have been [clears throat]
sworn.

2865
03:45:46,560 --> 03:45:52,399
» Uh Mr. Mayor, the first uh is tab 16,
which is a resolution of the village

2866
03:45:50,880 --> 03:45:56,160
council of Alamarda, village of Islands,
Florida, concerning the request by

2867
03:45:54,000 --> 03:46:00,479
Native Construction Contracting LLC,
agent for owners Robert R. and Sarah W.

2868
03:45:58,720 --> 03:46:04,800
Rodriguez for administrative relief from
the village building permit allocation

2869
03:46:02,080 --> 03:46:08,880
system BPASS for property located at 313
Woods Avenue, Plantation Key as legally

2870
03:46:07,040 --> 03:46:11,359
described in exhibit A, providing for
transmitt of the department to the

2871
03:46:10,239 --> 03:46:15,040
Department of Commerce, and providing
for an effective date. Uh before we

2872
03:46:13,359 --> 03:46:17,920
begin, if you'll council, if you'll
please disclose any exparte

2873
03:46:16,479 --> 03:46:23,359
communications you may have had with the
applicant or anyone else. Um again, this

2874
03:46:20,479 --> 03:46:27,279
is on tab 16. Uh please include whether
the person represented any group or

2875
03:46:24,960 --> 03:46:30,080
entity as well as the specific subject
matter as you best recall.

2876
03:46:28,880 --> 03:46:32,080
» Very good. Anna,
>> none.

2877
03:46:31,279 --> 03:46:33,199
» Vice Mayor,
>> none.

2878
03:46:32,720 --> 03:46:34,239
» Steve,
>> none.

2879
03:46:33,760 --> 03:46:43,600
» Deb,
>> none. Uh I uh got a quick text uh from

2880
03:46:38,720 --> 03:46:47,840
Brett Akblum about uh the just
asking to approve the application.

2881
03:46:46,880 --> 03:46:53,359
» Yeah.
>> All right. We are uh ready to proceed.

2882
03:46:51,040 --> 03:46:57,199
» I might have I I'll take that back. I
might have gotten a text, but I didn't

2883
03:46:54,800 --> 03:47:00,800
even read it. I saw Brett's name come
in, but I didn't read it.

2884
03:46:58,399 --> 03:47:03,199
» It was before the meeting started. Thank
you.

2885
03:47:01,600 --> 03:47:05,920
» Good evening, council. Jennifer Bowie
and playing director for the village of

2886
03:47:04,239 --> 03:47:10,479
Island Marada. I'm here this evening for
the administrative relief application

2887
03:47:07,520 --> 03:47:14,160
for 313 Woods Avenue. Uh Native
Construction Contracting LLC has uh

2888
03:47:12,560 --> 03:47:18,960
submitted the application on behalf of
the owners Robert R and Sarah W.

2889
03:47:16,000 --> 03:47:24,319
Rodriguez. Um the application is p
submitted pursuant to section 30-477 of

2890
03:47:21,920 --> 03:47:27,760
the code of ordinances. The village code
section 30-477

2891
03:47:26,239 --> 03:47:31,199
requires that a public hearing be held
during which the village council shall

2892
03:47:29,680 --> 03:47:34,640
consider all evidence presented
regarding the application and shall

2893
03:47:33,040 --> 03:47:38,160
follow the procedures standards and
criteria found within code sections

2894
03:47:36,479 --> 03:47:43,359
30-552
beneficial use determination and 30-553

2895
03:47:41,680 --> 03:47:48,239
procedures standards and criteria for
relief. The applicant has the burden of

2896
03:47:45,600 --> 03:47:52,560
establishing the need for relief. The
subject property is located at 313 Woods

2897
03:47:50,560 --> 03:47:55,920
A and is legally described in exhibit A
of the proposed resolution in your

2898
03:47:54,000 --> 03:48:02,000
package. The application was entered
into the BPASS system on April 26, 2022.

2899
03:48:00,399 --> 03:48:05,760
The application has been considered in
four consecutive annual allocation

2900
03:48:03,840 --> 03:48:10,239
periods and has failed to receive an
allocation award. At the close of

2901
03:48:07,920 --> 03:48:15,040
quarter 2 of 2026, the application was
ranked 17th with 18 points. Pursuant to

2902
03:48:13,520 --> 03:48:18,720
the requirements set forth in code
section 30-477A,

2903
03:48:16,960 --> 03:48:25,600
the applicant was eligible to apply for
administrative relief between 12:01 a.m.

2904
03:48:21,439 --> 03:48:29,439
on July 1st, 2026 and 12:012 a.m. on
October 29th, 2026. The applicant

2905
03:48:28,399 --> 03:48:34,560
submitted the application for
administrative relief on July 29th,

2906
03:48:31,840 --> 03:48:37,920
2026. The proposed development is a
two-story single family residence

2907
03:48:36,160 --> 03:48:43,760
containing two bedrooms, two and a half
bathrooms, and is approximately 2757

2908
03:48:41,279 --> 03:48:47,439
square feet of living area. The site is
approximately 6,000 square ft of

2909
03:48:45,520 --> 03:48:51,520
permitted with permitted clearing and
associated mitigation subject to

2910
03:48:48,960 --> 03:48:57,120
habitat-based regulations. The full
analysis of the properties in the packet

2911
03:48:54,319 --> 03:49:00,560
and
additional information provided by the

2912
03:48:58,800 --> 03:49:04,080
applicant is that the property owner has
complied with all requirements of the

2913
03:49:01,920 --> 03:49:08,160
building permit allocation system. The
BPASS application has not been withdrawn

2914
03:49:06,000 --> 03:49:11,920
at any time. The property owner has not
applied for a deferral and the applicant

2915
03:49:10,319 --> 03:49:18,080
as stated is seeking an allocation
award. Code section 30-477F

2916
03:49:15,680 --> 03:49:21,600
the action by village council at the
conclusion of the public hearing the

2917
03:49:19,760 --> 03:49:26,479
village council may take any or the
combination of the following actions one

2918
03:49:24,000 --> 03:49:30,720
grant the application an grant the
applicant an allocation award for all or

2919
03:49:28,880 --> 03:49:35,359
part of the allocation requested in the
next seding allocation period two offer

2920
03:49:33,680 --> 03:49:39,359
to purchase the property at its fair
market value or three suggest other

2921
03:49:37,760 --> 03:49:43,120
relief as may be necessary and
appropriate. Currently, the village has

2922
03:49:41,600 --> 03:49:46,800
five allocations available for
administrative relief. And at this time,

2923
03:49:45,120 --> 03:49:52,000
staff recommends awarding the allocation
to this applicant. I'm available if you

2924
03:49:48,720 --> 03:49:55,319
have any questions.
>> Very good.

2925
03:49:56,560 --> 03:49:59,560
Um,

2926
03:50:00,800 --> 03:50:07,520
council, is there any discussion you
want to have?

2927
03:50:05,760 --> 03:50:11,279
No, but you want to open up to public
comment. Is there any public comment,

2928
03:50:09,760 --> 03:50:15,439
Marty?
>> No, sir.

2929
03:50:13,199 --> 03:50:21,720
» Okay. Going once, going twice. Public
comment. Very good. Council, what's your

2930
03:50:18,720 --> 03:50:21,720
pleasure?

2931
03:50:22,640 --> 03:50:30,880
» Motion to approve.
>> We got a motion to approve.

2932
03:50:28,080 --> 03:50:34,800
» Do we need to hear for and against?
>> Yeah. I thought

2933
03:50:31,520 --> 03:50:37,840
» well is well is there
>> I assume when you said public comment

2934
03:50:36,319 --> 03:50:41,120
that since there was nobody that that
meant for both for and against but if

2935
03:50:39,359 --> 03:50:44,680
you we for the record we could we can
specify it against

2936
03:50:45,199 --> 03:50:50,160
» Is there anyone for this?
>> No, there is not.

2937
03:50:48,399 --> 03:50:54,160
» Is there anyone against this?
>> No, there is not.

2938
03:50:51,040 --> 03:50:56,720
» That's kind of what it was going for.
Okay, so

2939
03:50:56,000 --> 03:51:00,880
» second.
>> We have a motion and a second. Thank you

2940
03:50:58,880 --> 03:51:04,399
so much. Keep me on this straight
narrow. [laughter]

2941
03:51:02,640 --> 03:51:06,960
» We have a motion to second. We call the
roll order.

2942
03:51:05,680 --> 03:51:08,720
» Council member Deb Gillis.
>> Yes.

2943
03:51:07,359 --> 03:51:10,640
» Council member Anna Richard.
>> Yes.

2944
03:51:09,199 --> 03:51:12,880
» Council member Steve Freriedman.
>> Yes.

2945
03:51:11,520 --> 03:51:14,479
» Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney.
>> Yes.

2946
03:51:13,279 --> 03:51:16,399
» And Mayor Don Horton.
>> Yes.

2947
03:51:14,800 --> 03:51:18,800
» Motion passes 5-0.
>> Very good.

2948
03:51:16,960 --> 03:51:23,520
» Thank you.
>> Uh as mentioned, tab 17 and 18 are

2949
03:51:21,439 --> 03:51:25,760
companion items. Uh usually we take
those together as long

2950
03:51:24,960 --> 03:51:29,680
» them together. Yes.
>> Okay. As long as that's uh okay with the

2951
03:51:28,080 --> 03:51:36,399
applicant. Uh, any issues applicant
taking these together?

2952
03:51:31,600 --> 03:51:41,279
» Um, I [laughter] I'd like that.
>> Rob, are you in a flat fee or is it

2953
03:51:38,560 --> 03:51:41,279
hourly? [laughter]

2954
03:51:41,840 --> 03:51:48,359
» Let's not get into that. Although, we
might find out what kind of good deal

2955
03:51:45,120 --> 03:51:48,359
we're getting.

2956
03:51:49,199 --> 03:51:54,380
» Tell the truth. I don't actually know.
[laughter]

2957
03:52:00,399 --> 03:52:04,160
She'll she'll really tell the truth.
>> Thank you, John. Will you read the item,

2958
03:52:03,520 --> 03:52:08,479
please?
>> All right. So, I'll read both. Uh, so

2959
03:52:06,080 --> 03:52:12,080
first is tab 17, an ordinance of Alamara
Village, Florida, considering the

2960
03:52:09,920 --> 03:52:17,439
request of James S. Lepino Esquire,
agent for Robert E. Mao, Florida

2961
03:52:14,080 --> 03:52:22,000
Residence Trust 05-01-2017,
and Kathy G. Mau Florida residents trust

2962
03:52:19,600 --> 03:52:25,279
05-01-207
to amend the village's future land use

2963
03:52:23,600 --> 03:52:29,040
map from residential high to residential
medium for the subject properties on old

2964
03:52:27,120 --> 03:52:33,239
highway located on upper Madakumbi Key
with real estate numbers

2965
03:52:30,239 --> 03:52:33,239
00009-624-00000000

2966
03:52:34,319 --> 03:52:37,720
and 00009-624-000000

2967
03:52:38,960 --> 03:52:43,199
as legally described herein providing
for the transmitt of this ordinance to

2968
03:52:42,080 --> 03:52:46,160
the state department of commerce and
providing for an effective date upon the

2969
03:52:44,880 --> 03:52:50,160
approval of this ordinance by the state
department of commerce and tab 18 is an

2970
03:52:48,960 --> 03:52:53,279
ordinance of Alamarda Village of
Islands, Florida, containing the request

2971
03:52:51,439 --> 03:52:57,600
of James S. Lapino, Esquire, agent for
Robert E. Mau, Florida Residence Trust

2972
03:52:55,199 --> 03:53:02,000
05-01-2017
and Kathy G. Mau Florida residents trust

2973
03:52:59,520 --> 03:53:05,680
050-01-207
to amend the official zoning map from

2974
03:53:03,439 --> 03:53:08,880
multif family to settlers residential
for the subject properties on old

2975
03:53:07,120 --> 03:53:13,880
highway highway located on upper upper
Matic key with real estate numbers

2976
03:53:10,880 --> 03:53:13,880
00009-624-000000

2977
03:53:14,880 --> 03:53:18,199
and 00009-624-0000100

2978
03:53:18,880 --> 03:53:23,520
0 as legally described herein providing
for the transmitt of this ordinance to

2979
03:53:22,160 --> 03:53:26,160
the state department of commerce and
providing for an effective date upon the

2980
03:53:24,880 --> 03:53:31,040
approval of this ordinance by the state
department of commerce. Uh both of these

2981
03:53:28,000 --> 03:53:35,279
ordinances are on second reading. Um and
council uh before we begin uh please

2982
03:53:33,359 --> 03:53:38,720
disclose any exparte communications that
you may have had with the applicant or

2983
03:53:36,640 --> 03:53:43,120
anyone else on uh on either of these
tabs and please include whether the

2984
03:53:41,120 --> 03:53:47,840
person represented any group or entity
as well as the specifics of the subject

2985
03:53:45,040 --> 03:53:52,479
matter as you best recall.
Anna

2986
03:53:49,600 --> 03:53:58,319
» um only Casey Douly with uh who
represents the Miles or works for the

2987
03:53:54,399 --> 03:54:00,640
Miles in regards to the zoning issues.
>> Thank you, Vice Mayor.

2988
03:53:59,600 --> 03:54:01,920
» None.
>> Steve,

2989
03:54:01,120 --> 03:54:03,120
» none.
>> Deb,

2990
03:54:02,399 --> 03:54:09,080
» none.
>> Me? None.

2991
03:54:05,520 --> 03:54:09,080
» We're ready to proceed.

2992
03:54:09,199 --> 03:54:15,760
» All right. Good evening, Mayor and
Council. We made it to the end. So, uh

2993
03:54:14,239 --> 03:54:20,399
this is the second reading. First
reading occurred on June 11th of this

2994
03:54:17,920 --> 03:54:24,960
year and received unanimous approval. Uh
this item remains unchanged from first

2995
03:54:22,479 --> 03:54:29,920
reading. Uh the summary is there was an
approved lot combination to combine four

2996
03:54:27,120 --> 03:54:32,960
properties into two at 80839 Old
Highway. The combination resulted in

2997
03:54:31,760 --> 03:54:37,040
having properties with two different
zoning districts on the same lot. Each

2998
03:54:35,040 --> 03:54:40,479
lot was zoned both multif family and
settlers residential. The flum and

2999
03:54:38,960 --> 03:54:44,239
zoning map amendment will correct this
issue so that each property has one

3000
03:54:42,479 --> 03:54:47,359
zoning district and one flum
designation. The owner wishes to

3001
03:54:46,000 --> 03:54:50,720
classify the properties under the
settler's residential zoning district

3002
03:54:49,199 --> 03:54:54,399
which falls within the residential
medium flum category. Settler's

3003
03:54:52,880 --> 03:54:58,399
residential zoning district has fewer
permitted uses than multifamily and

3004
03:54:56,720 --> 03:55:02,640
residential medium flum has less
allowable density than residential high

3005
03:55:00,319 --> 03:55:05,920
flum. The owners have no desire to build
multif family housing on the properties

3006
03:55:04,080 --> 03:55:09,840
and would rather have single family
homes in uses. There is no budget impact

3007
03:55:08,160 --> 03:55:13,520
with this application. There are no
staff impacts with this application and

3008
03:55:11,439 --> 03:55:17,199
staff recommends approval of both the
flum and zoning map amendments on second

3009
03:55:15,520 --> 03:55:20,840
reading.
>> Thank you so much.

3010
03:55:21,120 --> 03:55:26,199
» Would we like to hear testimony from the
applicant?

3011
03:55:28,640 --> 03:55:36,720
» Rob Rob Stober on behalf of Jim Lepino
as agent for the mouse. Uh, I'm just

3012
03:55:34,720 --> 03:55:43,920
here to answer any questions or help if
I can.

3013
03:55:39,840 --> 03:55:50,800
» I heard staff uh say that the uh
property owner doesn't wish to build any

3014
03:55:47,279 --> 03:55:55,840
multifamily or anything other than a use
with a single family. Is there intention

3015
03:55:52,880 --> 03:55:59,520
to do a another residential unit on that
property?

3016
03:55:56,560 --> 03:56:05,840
» Um, I I can't answer that, but what
because I don't know. Um but the the

3017
03:56:02,880 --> 03:56:10,239
purpose of this was they took the old
Comcast service property

3018
03:56:08,160 --> 03:56:16,319
» and it was you know offered to them.
It's contiguous with their property and

3019
03:56:12,880 --> 03:56:21,920
so they were joined with the unity of
title. When that was done, nobody

3020
03:56:19,760 --> 03:56:25,120
appreciated that there were two
different, in fact, three different

3021
03:56:24,239 --> 03:56:28,560
zonings,
>> right,

3022
03:56:25,920 --> 03:56:32,080
» in the, you know, if you if you were to
drive by or ride your bicycle by, you

3023
03:56:30,640 --> 03:56:36,399
would not realize that there are three
different zonings in this one property,

3024
03:56:35,600 --> 03:56:41,040
» right?
>> So, I can't I can't answer what the

3025
03:56:38,479 --> 03:56:46,720
purpose is because I don't know. But
obviously they would be restricted in

3026
03:56:43,600 --> 03:56:52,319
what the the downgrading of zoning which
is you know a preferred use for Marada.

3027
03:56:50,239 --> 03:56:57,359
So I can't answer that but obviously
it's not going to be multif family. It's

3028
03:56:54,560 --> 03:57:04,399
not going to be high density. It's going
to be medium or on one one property. It

3029
03:57:01,120 --> 03:57:07,920
only could be medium on one property and
settlers residential on the other.

3030
03:57:06,319 --> 03:57:11,840
» Great. Thank you
>> Mr. Mayor. I can sorry I can speak to

3031
03:57:10,399 --> 03:57:15,600
that a little bit. We we do have an
application in our office for um

3032
03:57:13,920 --> 03:57:19,279
development of this property. I I
believe it's just a garage. I don't

3033
03:57:17,199 --> 03:57:23,040
believe it's an additional unit.
>> Okay. So there's currently an

3034
03:57:21,040 --> 03:57:25,920
application and it just needed to be
>> That's correct.

3035
03:57:23,520 --> 03:57:27,600
» unified the zoning changed so that they
could build this

3036
03:57:27,120 --> 03:57:28,960
» that's correct
>> other structure on there. That's

3037
03:57:28,640 --> 03:57:31,760
correct.
>> That's perfect. Thank you.

3038
03:57:30,880 --> 03:57:37,359
» Thank you.
>> Is there anyone who would like to speak

3039
03:57:33,840 --> 03:57:40,640
in favor of this?
There's no one signed up.

3040
03:57:38,720 --> 03:57:44,399
» Okay. Is there anyone who would like to
speak in opposition of this?

3041
03:57:42,880 --> 03:57:48,160
» Also, no one signed up for that.
>> All right. Rob, would you like to

3042
03:57:46,319 --> 03:57:53,760
present a rebuttal to any of the
comments that we make?

3043
03:57:51,040 --> 03:57:59,239
» You're here.
>> Silence is the hallmark of wisdom.

3044
03:57:55,920 --> 03:57:59,239
» Very good.

3045
03:58:00,080 --> 03:58:06,000
» John, is there anything else or or
Jennifer, is there anything else that

3046
03:58:04,160 --> 03:58:09,359
that the village needs to say about
this?

3047
03:58:08,479 --> 03:58:12,560
Okay.
>> I would just remind that we need two

3048
03:58:10,720 --> 03:58:19,120
separate votes, one on each item.
>> So, can I first start off with a a

3049
03:58:15,279 --> 03:58:22,239
motion to approve the change in the
future land use map?

3050
03:58:21,120 --> 03:58:28,239
» Motion to approve.
>> There's a motion to approve the future

3051
03:58:24,080 --> 03:58:30,640
land use map. Is there a second?
>> I'll second.

3052
03:58:29,120 --> 03:58:33,760
» Okay. There's a motion in a second.
Martin, will you call the role?

3053
03:58:32,399 --> 03:58:35,359
» Council member Anna Richards.
>> Yes.

3054
03:58:34,160 --> 03:58:38,080
» Council member Deb Gillis.
>> Yes. Council member Steve Freriedman.

3055
03:58:37,120 --> 03:58:39,760
» Yes.
>> Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney.

3056
03:58:39,439 --> 03:58:43,120
» Yes.
>> And Mayor Don Horton.

3057
03:58:41,040 --> 03:58:46,880
» Yes. Now, is there a motion to change
the zoning?

3058
03:58:44,239 --> 03:58:50,640
» Motion to approve. I'll second.
>> Okay. Barney, we call the role.

3059
03:58:49,199 --> 03:58:52,640
» Council member Anna Richards.
>> Yes.

3060
03:58:51,199 --> 03:58:54,399
» Council member Deb Gillis.
>> Yes.

3061
03:58:53,040 --> 03:58:56,399
» Council member Steve Freriedman.
>> Yes.

3062
03:58:55,040 --> 03:58:57,920
» Vice Mayor Sharon Mahoney.
>> Yes.

3063
03:58:56,720 --> 03:58:59,840
» And Mayor Don Horton.
>> Yes.

3064
03:58:58,239 --> 03:59:04,560
» That motion passes 5-0.
>> All right. Council staff, is there any

3065
03:59:02,319 --> 03:59:10,439
other business that we need to take care
of tonight?

3066
03:59:06,399 --> 03:59:10,439
» There's a motion to adjourn.

3067
03:59:10,560 --> 03:59:14,439
[applause]
>> We are now ajourned.