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Recording in progress.

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All right. It is 6 o'clock. I'd like to start this evening's meeting up with the Pledge of

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Allegiance.

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Pledge of Allegiance is to apply the United States of America and to deliver

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your policy, we're just going to end one nation under God, invincible with liberty and justice

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for all. Thank you, everyone, for that.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Let's continue on this evening with roll call.

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I've got the Gaston.

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Christine Morris.

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Tara Chase.

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Michael Schmidt.

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And visiting via Zoom this evening is..

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Heather Fram.

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Thank you, Heather.

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So we have a full and complete board this evening.

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Thanks to you for running.

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All your hard work on the school board.

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and welcome back.

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First order of business is to adopt the regular meeting minutes of August 10th,

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2026. I'd entertain a motion to that.

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Aaron, I'll make the motion and we adopt

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the minutes that are printed and distributed. Is there any correction? Pardon me a second?

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Second. Thanks Doug. Do we have any corrections, errors, or misses noted?

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Aaron, none?

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Well,

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Dan, I'll give you to identify yourself again.

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in the session under citizen's comments and it says I asked about Green Street. I don't

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know what Green Street is. It was Leiden Street. The Green Street is mentioned in that paragraph,

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but I don't know what Green Street is. We did

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that? Yeah. Over here on the screen. Do

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Do we know it? Thank you, sir.

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Any other questions here, Mr. Coder? Here and seeing none, I'll

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follow up with a roll, standing on the left with Doug Johnston. Here, Christy Moore. Hi.

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Hi, I'm Christy Norr says hi. Tara Chase. Hi. Mike Schmidt. Hi. And Heather Frank. Hi.

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Thank you members. They are so approved for the amendment.

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Moving on to new business, item number one, updates on properties with municipal actions and complaints.

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So just a couple of things since we spoke last month.

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So you finally have all the invoices from Obleway processing those.

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So we've got charges for work that we did at the 78 Valley Street location,

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as well as charges for Central and also CV for just a couple of updates.

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we still are in the process of removing two abandoned trailers at Central. We're

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working with the property owner as well. It's, again, Alboa still has to come out

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and pick those up, so we're just waiting for them to have some time to get out

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there and do that.

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The issues at Sieber's Brook, we've been in touch

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with a family member, at least somebody who has been claiming to have

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some family relationship to the buyer owners who are deceased.

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We started talking back in July at that point that person was going to be trying to go through

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probate.

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At this point now it's been three months.

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I spoke to her as recently as last week.

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She still has not filed any paperwork.

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I think one of the things that we've discussed in the board is if there isn't any movement

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on the actual probate that we as a town municipality can open probate based on these charges, so I will

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certainly hold that open if we're not able to get any further movement on that issue.

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We did speak with the owner who was going to voluntarily cooperate with an inspection

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program, so all signers working with the folks at Fire Safety just to get in the

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buildings and to do a walk-through to make sure if there are life safety concerns.

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There's been a lot of concern about shed on the property. There's obviously

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then nobody, at least from an oversight agency in that property for an

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extent period of time. So the owner did say she would cooperate with us

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voluntarily to do that. So we wanted to coordinate that activity. Once we have

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that information, we'll share that with the board with you. I also need more

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of actions that come on that property.

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So I think for now, those are the primary places we are working on an updated list.

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We have Austin on site.

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We do have other properties that are generating complaints, and we'll have updates on those

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as we move forward.

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Okay.

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I have a question.

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You said the owner.

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Well, she's not on the deed.

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She claims to have a family relationship with the deceased.

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So at this point, she's a de facto owner until either we probate or she does probate.

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At this point, it's not an official ownership.

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It's still.

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Thank you.

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I just want to make a comment.

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Thank you.

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Claire.

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Does she have to initiate or request a probate?

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Or does the town?

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And could we parallel that request, or could we lead that?

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Of course, certainly is going to look at, if she has that relationship, they'll look at her application fabulously, obviously.

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If she has some standard.

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Now, when I spoke to her back in July, I explained to her what our concerns were.

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She said that she was going to actively pursue it in 90 days.

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We haven't gotten very far.

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so I think we're not getting much further than I think it's probably time for us to

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start a process. Yes. She can certainly participate. Maybe it's a

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could be an issue she doesn't have for you. I'm not sure. Yeah, she really didn't

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give me any particulars to be open. So, but we're not we're no farther on the

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result of the ownership. I think that's where I was going with my partner is

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What time frame are we looking at for waiting for her or when do we?

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Well, the question for the board is, if we do go and engage in probate, we'll have to bring Steve Makuta into the next.

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I think we'll want to make sure that we get a little bit of publicly notice meetings so that there's clear intent as to what we're doing and why.

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So that we move it forward.

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So, we'd have a meeting in two weeks if we haven't gotten any further than I was, I will have an agenda item offered at the board's consideration.

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Thank you.

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At least initiate for a thing.

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Thank you.

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Also, on the agenda, we have seven schools, 322.

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Are those in the measure?

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Are those going to be taken, addressed separately?

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Well, they're different than these other properties because they do have common ownership from the prior owner.

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Both of these properties had some link policies that were associated with the prior owner.

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The new owners signed quick claim deeds to become the new owners of these two properties

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and the prior balances were not handled as part of that transaction.

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So we are now presented with a problem and the prior owner did not follow,

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obviously

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not up to date. These two properties are not on for tax sale. The question that I have

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to the board is, it's not our normal practice to open up a new payment plan opportunity based

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on the fact that the prior owner had the opportunity to do it, should have been resolved

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prior to transfer, should have happened for a variety of reasons. So here we are.

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So I just wanted to ask the board if you feel so obligated, I would at least pursue based

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on our traditional payment plan and the opportunity for these new owners to go through that process

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and if they're successful, then the passive obligation can be handled and we can move

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it forward.

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But it's not a normal course of business and we felt it was important not just

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is to bring to your attention your opinion

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that can stand before we decide to move this process forward.

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Okay, before we get into those two properties then,

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I want to back up for the delinquent utility taxes

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on, I don't know, excuse me, updates on the properties

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with municipal actions and plans,

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such as 78 Valley, 12 Central, Open Seabed.

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Yes.

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Are there other questions from board members

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on either of those properties?

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No, I just,

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Never school street. I mean, not so street before I came down and then there are two

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trails are still there. One of them looks like the doors are open. So yeah, and we're aware so

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the police are aware of keeping an eye out on this as well. So we'd like to keep them off

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the property since Boston. Yeah. Comments or questions on the three properties? 78 Valley,

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12 Central, 4. Let's get the night in right now. We're going to see the

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480. Thank you.

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So where are we in the acquisition of 78 Valley? We own 78 Valley. Okay. So we

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are, as we go through the budget in the fall, we'll have to have a conversation as to how

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the board wants to receive that. There's the option available. We just have to put

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together from their consideration. So we're going to wait for the budget process to do that?

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We need a little bit of time. Let's find his invoices in and give you a sense of everything

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that's there to get a full picture. And do we have a next step for 10-12?

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Talk to the owner last week. He still claims that he has some interest in doing renovation

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and bringing it up to code and explain to him, you know, we have a pretty frank

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conversation about, you know, what the delinquencies in that building are and what

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the expenses will be to give it to a capital condition. I don't think it's

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realistic that he would spend that kind of money on it, but at least I think

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had to give him an opportunity. So we'll talk about that as time goes by. Right

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now, at least it's boarded up. I've had neighbors very happy with that

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initial phase with some of the immediate problems that have been resolved, but they're obviously

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concerned about long-term, about being loosened and about the safety of the work set.

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I hope we have conversations sooner than later.

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That's on that, because your comment, it's the resources aren't there.

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I wouldn't think so.

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No, I just don't want smoke to be involved in this.

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I think he's had a lot of statements that didn't come to pass.

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So I don't specifically know about, you know, I was very specific about this.

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These are the items in this inspection that have to be satisfied for this to be happening.

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And for granted, it's going to be $100,000 to make those fairs.

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Anyone else on questions on the three properties?

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I don't mean to put you on the spot.

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We talk sometimes in between meetings.

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We try to keep the soul in the loop as much as possible.

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Gitu, give your name for the record.

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Gitu Malwani.

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I'm just wondering, and then let me know if this is on phase, but isn't there any

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recourse? I mean, the previous owner has made promises over and over again, and

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keeps that for the rate of interest requirements. Isn't there any further

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recourse that the child can take? The recourse is what we have done. Based on

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Chapter 8, we've done as much as we can do, right? Yeah. I think there's more

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to be done, but I think there's gonna have to be some legal advice, if

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So we negotiate a 78 valley, I'm not going to call it a negotiation, it's a negotiation house.

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The town now owns that building.

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Right.

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Now we've got to decide what to do with it monetarily and then legally what is available.

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12th central, we took the action on that and ordered it dated.

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Thank you.

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The other one you heard was Seymour waiting on.

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That's the project initiatives as much as big government is thought of and so taking care

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of these problems.

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We are limited rules and regulations on what we can do to spend a long, slow process.

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Okay,

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all for the record, for the record, for the record, for the record, your name.

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I'm here publicly to offer my street thanks for the work that you folks have done on the

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I know I've been for a year, I've been a

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practitioner, I've been a intern, I won't

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say anything about it.

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And the next audio for the year. And it's marvelous now to go by the property, the trash

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has been removed, the property has been vacated, a pair of people vacated and is now boarded

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up, it's been a marvelous, marvelous improvement on salt leaves, and it's finally come to pass.

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And I know that the neighbors are also feeling as I, that it's been a terrible, well, then

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it a different value than the different value but I think this hopefully has been right at the end

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and everything has finally been completed and I thank you thank you all so much you were

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thank you any

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other thoughts on the three properties that will move on to seven school

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Is there any question regarding, oh, no, we have to take action on that.

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I think it's more, we sort of end up with, for our principle, it's certainly within our current practice to negotiate a payment plan.

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And I think the circumstances here are a little bit unusual because of the way the transaction

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occurred.

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Right?

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Typically, we just put it in normal closing as opposed to this is something that was done

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with a more proprietary transaction.

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There would have been, in the closing, you know, listing of all the obligations from

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the buyer and seller.

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This would have been involved.

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Unfortunately, it didn't happen in these two cases because it's folks that then have

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an issue that the only way we can resolve it, given what we have to work with is to offer

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a payment plan for them to be able to do payments and come through to keeping their

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current obligation as well as, you know, satisfying the past due obligation.

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Now, how that impacts their relationship with the seller, I don't know.

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That's something that they're going to have to work out.

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I don't know how those relationships are being handled.

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But just from this full-stand point,

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it's a little unusual for us to have this kind of transaction

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without it being unsatisfactory.

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So that's why I'm very happy to have it.

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And we both of the folks I've spoken to

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are certainly willing to try to work out and find stuff.

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That's where we stand on this one.

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So the options are if both of these properties had a former owner or, yeah, former owner

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had a payment plan that was not completed.

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And then there was a passive obligation that was not satisfied when the deed was transferred

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to the new owner who is now basically still with some obligation to the prior owner

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which is the private party transaction, but we have a public piece of it, which is the

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past student telepathy, but we're trying to help under us.

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So the tax liability still exists.

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There's utility and past student.

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Okay, well, but the tax liability still exists.

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Correct.

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Are we restricted by law to extending a payment plan?

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No. I guess the reason why this is unusual is normally we offer an owner one opportunity.

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Right.

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And because it had already gone and had not been maintained, and with the nature of the

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private transaction, this is how we brought ourselves here in the city.

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So is it in the best interest of the town to extend this to the new owners to have these

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property viable?

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I think both of the owners are committed to trying to improve the properties and keep

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them as good neighbors and community.

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So I think it's in our best interest to try and establish that.

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But I wouldn't use it as a normal practice because I think, you know, the vendor is

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people that come to me multiple times, asking for, you know, it's multiple.

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Sitting on the tax abatement board, I hear all kinds of stories, and some of them,

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right, we can be sympathetic to some of we aren't.

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That's why I ask the

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question do we think this is in the best interest the town to make these

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properties viable? And what is our option if we don't? Well then they have to pay

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the past due amount if they don't within a certain period of time they'd be

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shut off or taxed, or they would have to shut the tax off. Thank you.

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So, in our packet, you've got the, there is an action item, the authorize the option to establish a new payment plan, recognizing that the obligation to keep current and maintain a payment plan will keep these owners out of future problem.

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I think it's right because it's in an unusual circumstance.

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I think, you know, we're extending ourselves in an unusual situation, but I think we can show that the board agrees that we're doing this as a special consideration, not a practice.

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And I think that would give us the ability to keep our current system, so to speak, what often you speak and spend a week.

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Hopefully, this doesn't become a trend now as we go into the future.

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One more.

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Hang on.

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Does number seven.

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The problem, I talked with the owner at 22 Chester roads.

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I'm a little more familiar with that.

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Only by chance happening, I bought Biden's money.

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seven schools for you. Is that the plan that exists that wasn't completed was

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with the previous owner or the current one? Previous. Previous owner. So now we

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have a new owner. Yes. They both have a new owner. Right. Thank you.

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Mike, is there a reason to be coming to the select board versus the tax

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I

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think because we do have a process in place, and it's a pretty standard process, this moves us outside of the norm.

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But I think in these circumstances, I think it makes sense for us to try to extend this and see if these folks can bring themselves current

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and, you know, get continued, hopefully, in these propertings, and bring that movement forward.

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Well, I don't want to put you on the spot, but any concerns, your thoughts?

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Um, Tom, I'm just correct.

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We have a policy that, from 2005, that's in place at first,

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even with the new legislative amendment to it.

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Thanks.

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So part of that policy is agreements are offered and needs to be made and signed by myself

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by June 30.

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That's a time period we've gone by.

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So that's the grace, I think, the town union is asking for, or outside of that, if someone

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comes to me and asks me, now I can't sign anything. I can give them the terms that it would have

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anyone else, but it doesn't mean it's not going to help me sign it for now.

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So we're outside of that. Outside of the big one. Yeah.

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What's the pleasure of the board if you want to get this on the table? Yes.

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I'd like an emotion to authorize the option to establish a new payment plan

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recognizing that the obligation is to burn and ban a payment plan will keep these owners out of future

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problems, as that this is a select board exception to the rules. So,

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then we have a second. Thank you, Minister. So, we do have a motion on the forum second

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did authorize the option to establish a new payment plan, recognizing the obligation to keep

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current and maintain a plan to keep these owners out of future problems. Relatives of

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gas. And the tellings as well. Is

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there early discussion from board members?

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I'm having a hard time

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seeing the reflection on that. Heather, if it's a handout, I'm not sure I'm going to see it.

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Nope. I'll yell, Christie. Thank you, though. Okay. Thank you, Heather. That's okay with me.

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Discussion from the audience. I know we have one of the owners here this evening by 22.

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If I can get you to Ron and Austin.

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Okay, I can tell you why I'm in this situation.

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I don't know about the other person, but I did not even start talking to the previous owner

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till the middle of first, it was after July 4th when I even started.

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But when I found out, when we started the negotiation, he was going to pay the passenger

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jealousy and the taxes before we even signed that worth.

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Well, then he got to the point that I had to do something because where I lived at,

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the owner sold the place, moved out of town, out of the country.

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And the people that bought it, there was a new place, but they have a big family.

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So they're making it in back into the original house for the whole family to lily so right now

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I am stuck in battle falls at the motel

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I'm trying to do this without I don't know I'm sorry

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So we need to go straight with you. I

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Have I have sat and talked with

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Mr. Pick up in him we are in agreement to pay I can pay the

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the utility part, the water part next week. I can make that next week. There

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probably be Thursday next week when I can make that. It's the taxes that I can't

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come up with all at one time. That's what I mean. We can do $200 a week on the

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taxes. After next week I can get the water bill taken care of. So we can see

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it can be more than $200. It just for more of our finances. I only have to

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October 1st to get everything done at the house and be out of Montana. That's

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including my extension of this new law that we need to affect on September 1st.

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So you know I'm willing to work anyway we can. I'll get retirement. That's all I

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get. My brother-in-law, Indians, he works at Circle K. So he gets a week of

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that's how we can do the weekly maintenance. So, you know, we're willing to do that in

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these taxes column. Oh, and if y'all go by there, yeah, there's another pile of stuff out there,

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but it don't look as bad as it did before because all that's cleaned up. Oh, we found out today

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the electrician did what he could. We've got to come up with more money for the

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fall across the house with the previous owner. Once we get everything, everything I have to pay with all the seats are shown, it comes off the final price of the house.

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So, I think that's a good point.

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And I can vouch that the outside of the property was cleaned up.

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And thank you for that, Edward.

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And now they're working on the inside,

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and that's why the stuff inside came outside, start with.

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And then we did have somebody to come by today

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and measure the windows,

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not long after we met and you would have

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introduced ourselves and not knowing each other, so they're working on trying to get us some

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of these in as soon as possible.

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So

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thank you for that, Rhonda, that update, and thank you for your effort.

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Just going forward, if we have this plan in place that this Board agrees, I want

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to just caution that we don't commit too much to start with until you and you

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can work with Barb on that is that if we agree to do this extension or to let the

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owner you'll come up with or together you will yeah okay

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actually any other discussion please file your homestead

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What? Your homestead. This will be my homestead. No, there is, the state of Vermont has a program for homestead. Please file. Oh, I will. I'm in taxes. So I'm not in taxes. We hear so many people that don't do it. Yeah. I will be doing the homestead. Thank you. And all that. So, but if y'all didn't know if any organization or anything that can help us,

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If you're out there with us, let us know, especially with windows, there's still an

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issue that came out today, it's got to try to find some people that can help with some

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windows they're measuring, so yeah, that's something that I've said.

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Yeah.

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I've reached out to Zephyr.

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Now, Zephyr has told me they don't do windows.

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Okay, okay.

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They do weatherization.

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They do weatherization, but they don't do, they don't, they don't do windows.

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because that's the first person on each trip.

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Okay.

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Well, that's the first one that everybody told me to call.

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Yeah, when I filled out the paperwork, I said no.

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Very good.

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There isn't any other questions or discussion.

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I will follow through the vote starting on my left.

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Good job, Johnston.

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Aye.

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Christy Moore says aye.

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Dara Chase.

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Aye.

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Mike Schmidt.

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Aye.

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And Heather Frantz.

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Aye.

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That is by the affirmative, and they're so approved.

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So, as quick as you can, I guess you get into the down office and...

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What are you doing with...

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You want me to just call you and set up a time to...

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You can come in and eat in my cell phone and tell me about that.

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That's what I said by the time.

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Why don't you just end this couple of days?

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We need to be the morning time.

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Right.

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Because right now he's working in Hangout.

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So if you could just end it a couple of more days.

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Yep.

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Oh, as I was the morning is not a good one this week because he stepped up as the point was

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Thank you honor for going in and your interest in sprinting

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And then seven schools free role we'll reach out to them with all of them. Yes. Thank you

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But we don't have the order here of seven school for you

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I won't believe some

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Okay.

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Item number two on your agenda. Presentation on Commons Park,

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stormwater project purpose, and with more need statement and alternative

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analysis. Yes. Well, we do have, I'll write it. Perfect timing. So it did give

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the board happy just of the slides that you had sent earlier. I don't know

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what else you might need or? I think for the most part I'll just do a verbal

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presentation as that works for you. I was hoping to have the plan view set up

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on screen for everybody if that's possible from the packet. Do you have it

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on a driver, I can get it from my email, obviously.

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Maybe I'll just open it up, maybe I can grab it.

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It's on my email, that's what I've been sending.

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Sorry about that, it's on my email right now.

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I'll grab it this morning.

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And the sentence, okay, do you have to go to your office?

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Yeah.

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Scott, do you have your email on that email together?

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Or are you doing it on your laptop?

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Well, I can do it from the desktop.

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I'm not sure if it's on,

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just from my score of the three people

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to have a lot of data.

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That's what it's all about.

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You got it, then?

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Stop.

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You got it?

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No person.

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Sorry about that.

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No, I'm good.

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Don't joke.

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Yeah, okay.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So while they're...

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Oh, thank you.

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While they bring out the site plan,

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I can give kind of a great introduction to the project

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and kind of a perfect solution to...

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or the presentation tonight.

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So, a few years ago, the town had a stormwater master plan prepared and one of the locations

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that was identified from stormwater mitigation, both in terms of treatment and volume reduction,

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was a project at Collins Park.

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The concept is to do a subsurface infiltration chamber, basically creating a chamber under

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the ground that could be tied into the existing storm sewer system to divert

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some of the water from up on the hill that comes by commons park before it

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heads down and it'll announce the block river. One of the things that

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the town has concerns about is the size of the current system and

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obviously a lot of the flooding type storms that we've had in the last

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a few years. And so they're worried about sizing the pipe in and how much damage could

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be done with, you know, additional water flow if any of these storms keep getting worse.

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A way we can do that is a reduction of water in some sort of civil trachea chamber or something.

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The town is going through, apparently, a municipal assistance grant.

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And part of that grant requires two different heads of meetings at the beginning of the project.

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One is follow-up with concerns meeting just to present the project, get feedback from folks in town,

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Ask questions about it and to find out if there's any other issues in the area that, you know, this may help resolve.

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The other part is an alternatives meeting. We're kind of combining those two tonight where we've come up with a couple of alternatives.

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And then we're presenting here and then we kind of decide which direction we want to go with it.

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The way I've set this alternative, the alternatives for this project is more based on location

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within the park.

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Once we get, once we pick out the sub-circuit chamber where our assumption is, we can look

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at each of these locations with the same chambers.

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There's a few different ones.

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They were provided in the memo, I'll show them to you a little bit earlier.

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But I think the location is probably more important because of the different things that are in the park, whether it's fall field, the many of the trees, the playgrounds, the parking area.

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So what we've looked at here is four different options.

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outside of a new build alternative that's always one of the requirements of these grants

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is to just think about what if we don't build and that's kind of the purposes.

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We're building to try and be a little bit more resilient for the existing stormwater system.

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So the alternatives that I have here are based on where they are in the park.

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As I mentioned, there is Alternative 2, which is right along Cherryville. Alternative 3,

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which is in the parking lot of the park. They grab a lot there. Alternative 4 is up by the

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playground and Alternative 5 is 100. And with each of those, there are some considerations

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that we're taking into account. Currently, the stormwater system runs along Cherryville

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and we would have to tie in somewhere along this.

457
00:38:00,330 --> 00:38:06,850
So one of the things we're taking into consideration is how far are we piping it to the system?

458
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:12,970
Obviously along the eastern side here, we're a lot closer.

459
00:38:13,170 --> 00:38:15,490
There's a lot less piping to be needed.

460
00:38:18,330 --> 00:38:22,510
One of the other considerations is the environmental piece,

461
00:38:22,510 --> 00:38:28,890
or just what's in the way, what needs to be removed or replaced, things like that.

462
00:38:30,150 --> 00:38:34,490
So from an environmental perspective, if we're talking about mostly resources,

463
00:38:35,990 --> 00:38:40,170
as we would look at it as an engineering firm or anything like that,

464
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:43,290
we're talking wetlands, rivers, things like that.

465
00:38:44,070 --> 00:38:45,710
Not really a concern here.

466
00:38:46,430 --> 00:38:49,750
So some of the other things we've looked at are their trees in the way.

467
00:38:51,730 --> 00:38:57,150
What type of surface are we talking about that would ultimately be removed and replaced?

468
00:38:57,870 --> 00:39:04,490
And so some of those considerations in this aspect are there was a few newer trees that were planted along here

469
00:39:04,490 --> 00:39:12,430
since the original concept was come up with. They're pretty small. They're handy a couple of years old.

470
00:39:13,590 --> 00:39:20,930
So those may go away, depending on if we can locate it here, maybe we can set it up again.

471
00:39:22,010 --> 00:39:24,570
I'm going to raise your hand, I'll follow on you.

472
00:39:25,970 --> 00:39:31,250
And if you do have questions, feel free to just breathe in and we can go back and forth.

473
00:39:31,550 --> 00:39:36,310
Just for people's information, if you speak, the camera is going to ship on a Zoom meeting,

474
00:39:36,430 --> 00:39:39,830
it's going to ship to you and it's, if you're watching, it can be disrupted.

475
00:39:39,830 --> 00:39:46,110
Yeah, sorry. Yeah, sorry. You're fine. Yeah, I'll quickly recognize me and I'll just put it in our official with my name.

476
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:50,450
Rules of one. I live in the neighborhood. It's research for conditions.

477
00:39:51,850 --> 00:39:52,370
Thanks, George.

478
00:39:53,450 --> 00:39:58,690
So that was one consideration we had here, particularly this location.

479
00:40:01,230 --> 00:40:14,790
In the parking area, obviously we'd have to remove the gravel parking and put it back, which becomes a little more expensive than just removing and replacing something with grass.

480
00:40:17,070 --> 00:40:25,450
So there's a little bit more when it comes to ultimately the cost because of the surface that we're replacing it again.

481
00:40:26,750 --> 00:40:33,370
And up here in this area, it looks like we may be able to do it a little bit this way,

482
00:40:33,810 --> 00:40:37,730
but there was talk of, all right, maybe we could put it somewhere around the playground,

483
00:40:38,150 --> 00:40:43,590
but then there are play structures, which I also understand are fairly old and need

484
00:40:43,590 --> 00:40:47,910
a replacement, but that's still something to consider in terms of where we're going

485
00:40:47,910 --> 00:40:48,430
to put this.

486
00:40:49,530 --> 00:40:53,750
If we do get too close to the play structure, some of those bigger trees may be more

487
00:40:53,750 --> 00:41:00,430
as well, which could be a big concern for folks.

488
00:41:02,990 --> 00:41:06,210
In the ball field area, obviously it's the entire

489
00:41:06,210 --> 00:41:14,650
ball field. We're tearing it up. We have to replace it either as is with the natural grass of

490
00:41:14,650 --> 00:41:22,110
sand. There was also a meeting with a couple folks from the town. We've discussed whether or not

491
00:41:22,110 --> 00:41:30,630
the maintenance on a an artificial turf field baseball field would be more

492
00:41:30,630 --> 00:41:35,690
palatable in the end. That way there's not a long term each year trying to redo the

493
00:41:35,690 --> 00:41:42,550
ball flow. That one more than likely is in terms of Boston what you're putting

494
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:47,350
back is obviously going to be a little below in my opinion probably a lot more

495
00:41:47,350 --> 00:41:55,850
expensive. Also the factor and a lot of that comes with what we are, what you're

496
00:41:55,850 --> 00:42:01,330
putting back in here if it's just grass then you know that's probably your

497
00:42:01,330 --> 00:42:06,390
lease cost means the lease distance from the storm sewer it's also you know

498
00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:13,330
local lease intensive or what you do as a lot of seed and mulch. I think these

499
00:42:13,330 --> 00:42:18,630
we're going to be somewhere in the middle of the pack in terms of cost, just because we're

500
00:42:19,170 --> 00:42:27,170
putting back gravel for that, which is a little bit more expensive than your, you know,

501
00:42:27,230 --> 00:42:31,370
rich grass. And then the other one is considering the place terms for expenses to a little close

502
00:42:31,370 --> 00:42:36,430
to those and including the corporate cost. As I mentioned, involved in was spending mostly

503
00:42:36,430 --> 00:42:42,210
because they should do a lot more needed in terms of having a grade of flat, putting

504
00:42:42,210 --> 00:42:45,510
back with sand. It's kind of remade in a different way.

505
00:42:48,230 --> 00:42:51,450
And so those were kind of

506
00:42:51,450 --> 00:42:54,730
things that we took into account for this.

507
00:42:56,770 --> 00:42:58,590
As I mentioned, the chamber

508
00:42:58,590 --> 00:43:03,490
systems themselves, we assume if we're comparing costs for that, we're going to

509
00:43:03,490 --> 00:43:07,570
create a cost for the same chamber in each location, or at least the same

510
00:43:07,570 --> 00:43:10,970
size. And some of the shapes here are different with all the areas and

511
00:43:10,970 --> 00:43:13,270
That sounds like the same, that we can look at.

512
00:43:13,450 --> 00:43:18,330
So those cost themselves in an age case.

513
00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:21,510
Yes?

514
00:43:24,290 --> 00:43:24,810
Dan?

515
00:43:28,750 --> 00:43:33,310
I wasn't able to see from the map, how deep is the ledge underneath?

516
00:43:35,210 --> 00:43:39,310
We have not done any sort of plurings yet.

517
00:43:40,470 --> 00:43:43,810
The concept, when they did the concept a few years ago,

518
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:47,930
there were test bits done to about seven feet, I believe,

519
00:43:48,670 --> 00:43:50,890
without getting any most of sand.

520
00:43:51,350 --> 00:43:54,130
But they only looked at one area, which was about right here.

521
00:43:54,590 --> 00:43:59,070
So that's something that we look at in the next phase of the project,

522
00:43:59,070 --> 00:44:02,090
as it starts to get into the form of a sexual design.

523
00:44:03,330 --> 00:44:07,490
That is a concern, but I think there's enough

524
00:44:08,290 --> 00:44:11,090
standing material around the center that's managed in.

525
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:16,920
Do you want to follow up with me for more?

526
00:44:17,500 --> 00:44:21,440
Well, so where does the water go

527
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,280
after it's in the soil?

528
00:44:24,940 --> 00:44:28,850
In the soil it will infiltrate into the soil until it

529
00:44:28,850 --> 00:44:33,230
slide you'll be able to go on so it's right so it's if we're going to go to the west down

530
00:44:33,230 --> 00:44:40,170
towards uh yeah I'm a striker for this south it's so much bigger it will and it'll depend on

531
00:44:40,170 --> 00:44:46,350
I don't know exactly how the ledge runs in this area but it will run by I guess is it runs towards

532
00:44:46,350 --> 00:44:47,110
First, where are you, Kat?

533
00:44:48,990 --> 00:44:52,570
Um, in my experience, the wedge runs more through the north and south.

534
00:44:53,830 --> 00:44:54,090
Um.

535
00:44:55,550 --> 00:44:55,790
Right.

536
00:44:56,910 --> 00:44:57,390
Two.

537
00:44:57,810 --> 00:44:59,410
Uh, three comments.

538
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:04,020
One for the slide board, and then two for the gentleman here, but the presentation address

539
00:45:04,020 --> 00:45:11,420
is slide board first. The plan that's putting the reservoir block, where I remember you

540
00:45:11,420 --> 00:45:17,860
talked here, infiltration chamber, this sidewalk is a deformable condition. It would be great

541
00:45:17,860 --> 00:45:23,920
if in the process of doing this, the town could fix the sidewalk, too. As far as the

542
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:28,980
well off goes. The hole already that lives here on this corner, I watched the

543
00:45:28,980 --> 00:45:33,580
gentleman lift the storm drain up from here and dig the debris out a couple of

544
00:45:33,580 --> 00:45:39,120
months ago himself because the swim water drains off in that direction goes down

545
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:45,140
this road this way on this side. So I think about here over the water goes

546
00:45:45,140 --> 00:45:49,300
this way. And then one other thing for you, this is not Orchard Street, it's

547
00:45:49,300 --> 00:45:55,240
street now? It's all from street? Oh, whatever map I had was old.

548
00:45:56,220 --> 00:45:57,640
Google Maps. Probably.

549
00:46:00,580 --> 00:46:01,740
We'll fix that.

550
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:12,280
Yes, so my understanding from the town and part

551
00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:18,180
of this project is helping reduce stormwater through this system here, which comes straight

552
00:46:18,180 --> 00:46:25,800
down Cherryville, it won't necessarily affect this at the moment. Yeah, I bet maybe there's another

553
00:46:25,800 --> 00:46:30,080
future project. It's a series regrading up the whole park connected to Harvard. Yes,

554
00:46:31,240 --> 00:46:38,480
and you did that. That's a minor question. So you've outlined how the different

555
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:45,040
sort of roughly differences in costs. Yeah. Right. And so the sort of time with what the

556
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:47,140
the negatives are fine for them.

557
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,580
But would all the alternatives give us the same benefit

558
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,200
in terms of achieving the goal of the country?

559
00:46:54,260 --> 00:46:54,520
Yes.

560
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:55,400
Equally?

561
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:56,780
Equally, yes.

562
00:46:57,140 --> 00:46:59,240
All right, I would anticipate that they're equally.

563
00:46:59,900 --> 00:47:02,640
There's only a very slight difference

564
00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:05,520
of tying into the stormwater system up here

565
00:47:06,020 --> 00:47:07,020
versus down here.

566
00:47:07,220 --> 00:47:09,040
It's one small section of the street

567
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,340
that we're taking additional route.

568
00:47:11,500 --> 00:47:17,520
To follow up with this gentleman's question about the lid, so if you do start borrowing

569
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:23,040
and you find that there is an issue, you're going to have to come back and sort of, we

570
00:47:23,660 --> 00:47:27,360
have to sort of re-do the budget and re-do what the cost might be.

571
00:47:27,380 --> 00:47:33,100
Yes, we would take a look at other, either way, we'll probably, we'll focus on one

572
00:47:33,100 --> 00:47:39,140
area first, based on the alternative, if we hit something that's unexpected and

573
00:47:39,140 --> 00:47:43,840
the depth is what we think it should have been, then we may consider another location.

574
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:49,520
What is the plan? And when you discuss the process, I think, too, the part of, you know,

575
00:47:49,620 --> 00:47:55,120
the basing, the ballpark, the basing. Yeah, when I talk about it, it's more

576
00:47:56,060 --> 00:47:59,880
comparative the way, because right now, I don't necessarily have, like,

577
00:47:59,980 --> 00:48:05,720
far numbers to go with. It's more comparatively thinking about the different items that are

578
00:48:05,720 --> 00:48:09,460
needed for how these are going to be done.

579
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:10,820
And we will do that too.

580
00:48:10,980 --> 00:48:11,440
I'm going to play a couple of games.

581
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:12,140
We do, yes.

582
00:48:12,420 --> 00:48:13,260
That's enough football.

583
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:16,180
Yes, that's part of the next step.

584
00:48:17,060 --> 00:48:19,940
When we get to our concept plan,

585
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,860
we would actually put together a bookhead for it.

586
00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:31,440
Are you complete with your presentation now?

587
00:48:32,700 --> 00:48:34,100
Or do you continue with that question?

588
00:48:34,300 --> 00:48:37,240
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's a lot of it.

589
00:48:37,240 --> 00:48:41,120
A lot of it I wanted to just present most of what I had.

590
00:48:41,700 --> 00:48:46,380
The only other thing I was going to bring up was the photos from that are on the next few pages.

591
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:49,700
They always switch, but that's one of our questions.

592
00:48:50,820 --> 00:48:51,520
What do you call them all?

593
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:52,500
Yeah.

594
00:48:52,780 --> 00:48:53,540
I can handle it.

595
00:48:53,840 --> 00:48:56,340
I understand the hands up, but we're trying to get through this.

596
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:57,900
This is a meeting where we select board.

597
00:48:58,160 --> 00:48:59,160
Or is this a public hearing?

598
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:00,140
It's both.

599
00:49:00,460 --> 00:49:00,760
It's both.

600
00:49:00,900 --> 00:49:01,040
Okay.

601
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:07,600
So with that said, I'll go ahead and show a few photos of each other.

602
00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:10,520
So, okay, go ahead.

603
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:18,400
Um, the park's elevation runs from north to south, right?

604
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:19,000
Yeah.

605
00:49:19,080 --> 00:49:23,000
So if you could be facing in the northern part of the park,

606
00:49:23,100 --> 00:49:28,980
would you have to bury it deeper to make the water from the further down the whole park go to it?

607
00:49:29,660 --> 00:49:34,840
Yeah, so that was where some of the minor differences will be overall.

608
00:49:36,580 --> 00:49:46,700
On that way out there, we would tie into the stormwater system that reflects a lot of water on Cherry Hill.

609
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:53,680
We would tie in up here, which would maybe not take as much of the roadway.

610
00:49:53,680 --> 00:50:01,640
But comparatively speaking to the 20 or so acres of runoff that we get, they come into the system up here.

611
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:03,560
This would be a smaller amount.

612
00:50:04,380 --> 00:50:10,000
You know, the only additional benefits down here is you probably get some of the runoff from the roadway.

613
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,200
So it's not a significant difference.

614
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:18,520
Sorry, I'm understanding quickly that most of the runoff that is the problem has come off of Sherryville.

615
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:28,520
Yeah, and it comes right into, well, Cherry Hill and Summer Hill, I guess I'm saying Cherry Hill is in the whole part of that.

616
00:50:28,580 --> 00:50:33,860
Well, I meant the part of the Cherry Hill to just be Cherry Hill before it leads to the part above.

617
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:37,340
And then the storm system does belong to someone, too.

618
00:50:38,260 --> 00:50:38,640
That's well.

619
00:50:42,530 --> 00:50:44,570
Really questions on the structures.

620
00:50:46,270 --> 00:50:48,550
What is it designed by for the structures?

621
00:50:49,570 --> 00:50:51,270
They're pretty long.

622
00:50:51,570 --> 00:50:59,110
Most of them that we would use are some form of HMPU products,

623
00:50:59,650 --> 00:51:03,450
whether it be a Shamber or ER tanks,

624
00:51:03,730 --> 00:51:06,790
which I will get to those, what the different types are.

625
00:51:07,470 --> 00:51:10,250
The fingers, probably at least.

626
00:51:11,790 --> 00:51:13,930
You know, with regular maintenance,

627
00:51:14,330 --> 00:51:17,850
you look to maintain them a couple times a year,

628
00:51:17,850 --> 00:51:21,750
year, maybe once a year depending on how much actual sentiment and things you get in there.

629
00:51:22,530 --> 00:51:26,170
Usually we try and filter that out for most of the light of the center.

630
00:51:26,230 --> 00:51:33,310
Well, that's right. When they finally reach the end of their light and collapse, we expect

631
00:51:33,310 --> 00:51:38,590
them to give them a place to sit in a certain town with their athletes or a plan then

632
00:51:38,590 --> 00:51:45,650
to replace, we'll say, in 50 years, 75 years. I would imagine that the town will

633
00:51:45,650 --> 00:51:50,590
will be in the sessions to do boxes, similar to how they would essentially become part

634
00:51:50,590 --> 00:51:56,090
of your storage super system in the same way that they would have to replace piping

635
00:51:56,650 --> 00:52:02,190
along the streets every .5 or 15 years depending on the material.

636
00:52:03,830 --> 00:52:10,150
The other question of all construction is, how do you keep the wood chips out?

637
00:52:11,910 --> 00:52:14,270
I don't think I've ever been asked that question.

638
00:52:17,710 --> 00:52:19,990
Can you define the number of wood sharks?

639
00:52:21,770 --> 00:52:22,950
Yes, I can.

640
00:52:24,630 --> 00:52:26,970
There's four damn things.

641
00:52:29,030 --> 00:52:30,490
That knows where they're from.

642
00:52:33,050 --> 00:52:36,450
I would say hopefully they don't want to borrow.

643
00:52:38,810 --> 00:52:41,630
because most of them are surrounded by a lot of mysterious families.

644
00:52:41,970 --> 00:52:44,650
So I'll give them a bunch of very important reliefs.

645
00:52:44,710 --> 00:52:49,370
So I'm trying to get my arms around this because one of the op-eds is to do nothing.

646
00:52:50,770 --> 00:52:51,790
Yeah, here's that.

647
00:52:54,490 --> 00:52:57,170
And I'll let, sorry, I'm not going to let you in.

648
00:52:57,410 --> 00:52:58,010
All right, thank you.

649
00:52:58,010 --> 00:53:07,990
So, looking at used to be orchard stream, at least to be fair, it is fairy gill, the

650
00:53:07,990 --> 00:53:13,670
north end of that, that's where you're saying the water comes from. So, is there

651
00:53:13,670 --> 00:53:19,810
is there catch basins up there now that are collecting this water? Yes. Yeah. So,

652
00:53:21,050 --> 00:53:25,390
what is the issue that we're trying to solve here? Is it, is it, that's not a

653
00:53:25,390 --> 00:53:34,270
three acre parcel. It's not a three acre parcel. The issue is looking long term given what we've

654
00:53:34,270 --> 00:53:43,810
seen in the last few years of flooding and everything else. The way it's been presented to me is that

655
00:53:44,590 --> 00:53:53,530
the storm system right now at 15 inch height may not be big enough to handle some of the

656
00:53:53,530 --> 00:53:57,370
runoff that is coming out of there, especially if the storms start getting

657
00:53:57,370 --> 00:54:05,490
in there and and coming at us faster. And one of the things to look at before it

658
00:54:05,490 --> 00:54:11,190
starts real, the velocities really start increasing. For example, Barry Gill is to

659
00:54:11,190 --> 00:54:15,110
try and remove some of that, is to reduce it. So that way we can actually

660
00:54:15,110 --> 00:54:19,730
increase the lifespan of the system itself if you're not getting

661
00:54:19,730 --> 00:54:21,890
and people with that stuff insist on it.

662
00:54:22,090 --> 00:54:23,970
So with the purple or magenta,

663
00:54:25,190 --> 00:54:27,250
alternate two, alternative two?

664
00:54:27,770 --> 00:54:27,970
Great.

665
00:54:28,170 --> 00:54:29,290
Three, alternative three.

666
00:54:29,390 --> 00:54:30,310
I had a noble one.

667
00:54:30,790 --> 00:54:31,650
Yeah, we'd bring that,

668
00:54:32,590 --> 00:54:35,710
and see if we catch more water than the others

669
00:54:35,710 --> 00:54:39,610
or from the field itself,

670
00:54:40,190 --> 00:54:42,090
and we need to carry all and.

671
00:54:42,750 --> 00:54:46,010
It does not catch water from the field.

672
00:54:46,170 --> 00:54:47,750
Most of the field here

673
00:54:47,750 --> 00:54:53,830
actually runs the display. It comes off and it comes down with a common street

674
00:54:53,830 --> 00:54:59,310
this one. What it would do is it would allow you to capture from the catch

675
00:54:59,310 --> 00:55:04,590
basins that are along here so you get a little bit more water from the roadway

676
00:55:04,590 --> 00:55:13,570
itself. That's the biggest, you know, that's the part where you get the

677
00:55:13,570 --> 00:55:19,370
additional benefit, additional adoption. It's just for that. But again, prepare to

678
00:55:19,370 --> 00:55:28,010
the overall watershed. That's a fairly small portion. Just a little stormwater

679
00:55:28,010 --> 00:55:32,670
one-on-one so everybody's on the same page. We're not just talking surf water,

680
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:38,110
surface water on the screen. It is the top of graphical water that comes out of

681
00:55:38,110 --> 00:55:42,630
people, the yard, the farms, the woods, all of that, that does drain and retouch

682
00:55:42,630 --> 00:55:50,070
spaces. The issue is the stormwater system in that area is underside given the amount

683
00:55:50,070 --> 00:55:56,230
of water that we see now and moving into the future. Yep. So these vaults, that would

684
00:55:56,230 --> 00:56:00,950
be a way of handling the surge so that it doesn't overwhelm the system

685
00:56:00,950 --> 00:56:08,970
downstream. Okay. If that helps you clarify if you said it better than that. If I may.

686
00:56:10,190 --> 00:56:16,250
I was in the interest in part of this. And some of you know why I'm an interested party.

687
00:56:16,690 --> 00:56:27,430
My first question, I think 3-5. What is the instruction work to connect Cherry Hill,

688
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:33,950
How far up Cherry Hill would you be at, about so long?

689
00:56:34,530 --> 00:56:35,990
Okay. Do you want to answer?

690
00:56:36,470 --> 00:56:37,710
Yeah, one at a time.

691
00:56:37,850 --> 00:56:43,190
Actually, not up Cherry Hill. We would actually tie in to the system.

692
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:49,070
So we put in a new manhole right here that would take water from this pipe

693
00:56:49,070 --> 00:56:51,310
and just divert it into the market.

694
00:56:51,310 --> 00:56:58,450
So it would be construction itself along the roadway would be pretty limited. Okay

695
00:56:59,230 --> 00:57:01,010
So too if I may stand out

696
00:57:02,330 --> 00:57:03,350
I'm the owner

697
00:57:03,350 --> 00:57:05,710
of this property

698
00:57:07,090 --> 00:57:08,950
There is a

699
00:57:11,250 --> 00:57:15,850
drain hole here. There's a drain hole here. There's a drain hole here

700
00:57:16,570 --> 00:57:18,710
This entire area of flux

701
00:57:19,290 --> 00:57:20,770
We're at the slightest ring.

702
00:57:22,910 --> 00:57:23,590
I

703
00:57:23,590 --> 00:57:28,970
doesn't come into that house, right? But if we're doing something, it would sure be nice to know that

704
00:57:30,190 --> 00:57:39,950
we're resolving something more. So, um, my concern is that the drainage up to this point

705
00:57:39,950 --> 00:57:45,890
is a very nice thing. So, you're not going, you're like, those things fill up with a

706
00:57:48,250 --> 00:57:54,050
half of an inch of rain, so, and they're played in bends, bends right in the end, oh by the

707
00:57:54,050 --> 00:57:56,730
way, I'm not sure what the hell it is.

708
00:57:58,820 --> 00:58:02,100
Some call it a dry well, but there's a hole on the

709
00:58:02,100 --> 00:58:11,020
ground, it shows down about 18, 20 feet, that fills up the heart beat. Again, not

710
00:58:11,020 --> 00:58:14,320
It often counts problem, but we're not quite sure what the hell it is.

711
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:18,320
That was not part of that, right?

712
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,180
It's not connected. It is a dry well. There's a grate in the yard.

713
00:58:23,940 --> 00:58:26,920
It's like it would be tasked with stormwater system, but it is not.

714
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,960
Yeah. Sorry. So it was a more of a comment in my head.

715
00:58:31,100 --> 00:58:34,960
Third comment is I understand the costs.

716
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,280
Jules made the point about the red zone.

717
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:44,900
and if we're doing something it would be great to have a new sidewalk there. The

718
00:58:44,900 --> 00:58:51,200
swing sets and so they're old. I haven't seen a kid not have fun on them so I'm

719
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:52,960
not as worried about those.

720
00:58:54,980 --> 00:58:59,420
That parking lot is a disaster and I know

721
00:58:59,420 --> 00:59:03,200
it's more expensive but if the town's going to have to pay either for a

722
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:07,520
sidewalk or for a parking lot at some point it would be great to put it all

723
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:15,540
a project at one time, then they have to process it and tell them, yes, that's a good look at that part of the project.

724
00:59:15,980 --> 00:59:16,520
And the sidewalk.

725
00:59:17,040 --> 00:59:17,920
And the sidewalk.

726
00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,640
So you don't look like that at all.

727
00:59:20,820 --> 00:59:23,040
Anyway, so those are my three comments, right?

728
00:59:24,780 --> 00:59:30,020
The uphill systems and orchard slash front is not captured.

729
00:59:30,020 --> 00:59:38,840
As a matter of fact, I lost half of my lawn because of the low-coming auto-hortures, which

730
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:41,480
is, you would think, relatively flat.

731
00:59:43,300 --> 00:59:49,600
You can come and look at the Sherwood Hillside of mine, and I've got burns of sand from

732
00:59:49,600 --> 00:59:50,360
one of the rain clouds.

733
00:59:52,060 --> 00:59:56,420
I'm not looking for my own personal bed when I'm just giving you the data, yet I think

734
00:59:56,420 --> 00:59:59,600
It's a little more engineering what needs to be done.

735
01:00:01,370 --> 01:00:09,150
Appropriately sized, what needs to be addressed. I think I should at least have the conversation

736
01:00:09,150 --> 01:00:15,010
with the townspeople. Yeah, yeah, I'll get Ben's very, I know you're from New York. It could

737
01:00:15,010 --> 01:00:21,170
be, it could be, but Ben's, like I said, I'm not looking for a, yeah, but I'm just saying

738
01:00:21,170 --> 01:00:27,850
that if there's, so like, what are, what are we looking for for tonight? Part of the

739
01:00:27,850 --> 01:00:34,070
process in order for us to move the project along as they have this presentation, then

740
01:00:34,070 --> 01:00:39,570
there's other milestones and maybe there's some hits on the app, because there are some

741
01:00:39,570 --> 01:00:43,550
things that are required, NEPA and some other requirements, and then there's more design

742
01:00:43,550 --> 01:00:44,030
elements.

743
01:00:44,550 --> 01:00:49,670
We do have a local share, so I mean there's pieces of this, but this sort of gets us

744
01:00:49,670 --> 01:00:53,490
to the next phase of the brief project work.

745
01:00:54,130 --> 01:01:00,110
So the steps in this, as I mentioned, there's full concerns, alternatives.

746
01:01:00,750 --> 01:01:06,930
Typically there's an alternative chosen from this that the town would like to pursue.

747
01:01:07,970 --> 01:01:13,710
So one of these areas would be something that you want to still have got.

748
01:01:15,130 --> 01:01:22,230
And then the next step beyond that is putting together several plans and submitting environmental documents

749
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:30,290
the need for approval from the state and the feds that this is going to have a significant

750
01:01:30,290 --> 01:01:37,830
impact on the life of those two next steps. After that, then we go into, you know, 60%

751
01:01:37,830 --> 01:01:45,030
design, 85% of that construction done. So is there a follow-up public appearance?

752
01:01:45,770 --> 01:01:51,330
When there doesn't need to be, you could direct us on an alternative tonight where

753
01:01:51,330 --> 01:01:56,650
you could ask for some additional time. There's a few, if there's other information you'd like to see,

754
01:01:57,250 --> 01:01:59,350
we can try and pull that together for you.

755
01:02:03,330 --> 01:02:05,430
And so, if there's anything else you'd like to see,

756
01:02:05,610 --> 01:02:10,410
we can ask that and we could make a decision on it. It's very exciting. We can pick our feet.

757
01:02:11,470 --> 01:02:15,990
Typically, yeah, the part of this process would be to select and all those part of this

758
01:02:15,990 --> 01:02:16,850
in the fall of it.

759
01:02:21,820 --> 01:02:26,320
It seems like most of the conversation has been around alternative two

760
01:02:26,320 --> 01:02:27,800
and alternative three.

761
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:36,420
What would make the most sense and I see you get not an estimate of the

762
01:02:36,420 --> 01:02:41,720
cost but it's low cost, moderate cost, high cost. Yeah and I definitely think those are

763
01:02:41,720 --> 01:02:44,380
to probably those lower cost ones.

764
01:02:47,480 --> 01:02:54,360
I think the easiest one to do would be this one here,

765
01:02:54,580 --> 01:02:59,040
then you're just replacing the grass. If there's an additional benefit that you'd like to see,

766
01:02:59,180 --> 01:03:03,740
such as the parking lot being redone, I definitely think that is a worthwhile

767
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:11,380
alternative to the zoo. That way you are actually capturing the maximum amount at this

768
01:03:11,380 --> 01:03:17,900
property and so like I said it may not be on it's just this short section of

769
01:03:17,900 --> 01:03:23,640
street but you're still catching capturing more for there and just so the

770
01:03:23,640 --> 01:03:27,720
boards were a long-term most this is constructed we have an obligation to

771
01:03:27,720 --> 01:03:32,880
maintain the system right so we have to go suck out Ontario and get to the actor

772
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:38,780
you know so there is a long-term obligation beyond our local share right

773
01:03:38,780 --> 01:03:40,820
Let's see if you can open it.

774
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:46,480
What is our liability right now with the existing stormwater drain

775
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,400
and potential flooding, et cetera?

776
01:03:49,040 --> 01:03:52,680
Are we exercising the backstrikes on those?

777
01:03:53,160 --> 01:03:53,860
I'm sure we are.

778
01:03:54,940 --> 01:03:57,800
We cleaned the system, but I think Ben already explained.

779
01:03:58,180 --> 01:03:59,100
We're undersized.

780
01:03:59,820 --> 01:04:02,400
So in these larger events now, the system

781
01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:03,720
surcharges pretty quickly.

782
01:04:04,940 --> 01:04:06,740
So this will help that.

783
01:04:06,740 --> 01:04:08,700
We don't want to identify that.

784
01:04:10,560 --> 01:04:11,260
Mr. Chang?

785
01:04:12,780 --> 01:04:13,860
We have a question again.

786
01:04:14,460 --> 01:04:16,520
We've got a lot of questions, but I want to get to a point.

787
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:21,740
This polling process, it seems like we're dancing around two locations,

788
01:04:23,100 --> 01:04:28,340
and we're going to have to do a study or a design of what's possible.

789
01:04:28,580 --> 01:04:30,560
I'd be proud to move this forward.

790
01:04:32,560 --> 01:04:50,940
Just one piece, the, I can't see from here. I think it's often three department law. Yep. There's question as well chip because the department building a property. Right. So not location. They become complicated because of ownership. Yep.

791
01:04:51,840 --> 01:04:59,140
I was just up here this past weekend and there was a good eight ten inches of water, you know that's some of the rain from it's all over there now.

792
01:05:02,120 --> 01:05:05,660
Okay I want to wrap this up so what are your next questions please let's keep it short.

793
01:05:06,240 --> 01:05:09,740
Yeah I have to do with that location in close to the apartment building.

794
01:05:10,680 --> 01:05:19,440
If you have infiltration of more water into the ground, what is the level of that with respect to the basement of the apartment building

795
01:05:20,200 --> 01:05:26,660
And we'll put water into the basement apartment door and put them down there or something, I would probably look at.

796
01:05:26,980 --> 01:05:28,360
I'm sorry, I don't think there's a basement.

797
01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:30,500
I don't know.

798
01:05:31,060 --> 01:05:31,900
Gerald, last question.

799
01:05:32,500 --> 01:05:38,820
Yeah, I was just going to say I live on the other end of the street up there and without my stump up, my basement is too tricky for all winter on that hill.

800
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:39,160
Really?

801
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:42,300
Just to inform the board of how to have some water problems with rent.

802
01:05:42,660 --> 01:05:43,060
Yeah.

803
01:05:43,320 --> 01:05:47,400
I would have

804
01:05:51,210 --> 01:05:51,670
said it.

805
01:05:51,670 --> 01:05:59,690
that I recommend alternative three over here, but then just put them up to you, put them up to your extra net.

806
01:06:00,050 --> 01:06:03,250
Well, we can determine ownership that should be able to.

807
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:11,270
And even if you could establish an easement, you know, or a permanent easement for this.

808
01:06:11,990 --> 01:06:19,610
So, just not knocking it out with a little steel, making sure we're aware that that's involved.

809
01:06:19,610 --> 01:06:22,350
And the marking area wouldn't go away.

810
01:06:23,130 --> 01:06:27,970
No, it would just be replaced and we would, you know,

811
01:06:28,010 --> 01:06:33,550
re-grade it and maybe put in a structure to catch whatever's currently there

812
01:06:33,550 --> 01:06:36,010
or it would be graded better to shed water.

813
01:06:37,370 --> 01:06:37,810
Yeah.

814
01:06:39,130 --> 01:06:43,470
And that might help capture some of the water going west.

815
01:06:43,830 --> 01:06:44,250
Can I say that?

816
01:06:45,590 --> 01:06:46,190
Yes.

817
01:06:46,710 --> 01:06:51,810
It's definitely not good, but sometimes in this form or another, you can see the system.

818
01:06:54,820 --> 01:06:55,100
Okay.

819
01:06:56,700 --> 01:06:58,160
We need to make a decision.

820
01:06:59,080 --> 01:06:59,560
Alternative.

821
01:06:59,920 --> 01:07:01,020
There's a preferred alternative.

822
01:07:01,300 --> 01:07:04,060
It helps us move along with milestones and finding.

823
01:07:04,380 --> 01:07:09,220
If you want me to see if I can come up with some hard numbers, I can do that.

824
01:07:09,380 --> 01:07:10,680
I can do it for the next meeting.

825
01:07:11,220 --> 01:07:14,740
If you are okay with this, you can go from there.

826
01:07:14,920 --> 01:07:15,820
But as I said, you can.

827
01:07:15,820 --> 01:07:22,780
File a mechanical engineer. I'm looking at the civil engineer, and I'm looking for recommendations on which is the biggest bang for the buck for the

828
01:07:22,780 --> 01:07:23,480
Bulmore

829
01:07:24,060 --> 01:07:25,380
Yeah, I like I like three

830
01:07:26,780 --> 01:07:30,120
Gentlemen, I would like yeah, I would like the one in the parking lot

831
01:07:32,510 --> 01:07:33,290
Thank you

832
01:07:33,290 --> 01:07:34,070
it

833
01:07:34,590 --> 01:07:38,970
Does two things it version parking lot in the final product

834
01:07:38,970 --> 01:07:43,890
It gets you the most captured and it doesn't really affect any of your

835
01:07:43,890 --> 01:07:47,970
in any areas of the rest area, there's a really disrupt bunch of that.

836
01:07:48,870 --> 01:07:51,970
You'll have a short disruption of where you park,

837
01:07:52,590 --> 01:07:56,030
but I don't know how often that field is used

838
01:07:56,030 --> 01:08:00,030
by crowds, I guess. It seems like there are

839
01:08:00,030 --> 01:08:03,690
all the first 20 hours around the corner area that we use.

840
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:08,220
Okay, I'm good.

841
01:08:10,140 --> 01:08:12,040
Hypothetically, you approve three

842
01:08:13,080 --> 01:08:17,160
If you make two plan B in the event that you have led,

843
01:08:17,540 --> 01:08:19,440
so that it doesn't have to come back,

844
01:08:19,780 --> 01:08:21,440
then we can just keep moving the process.

845
01:08:22,460 --> 01:08:22,900
Absolutely.

846
01:08:23,120 --> 01:08:23,240
All right.

847
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:24,960
Off in one opposite.

848
01:08:25,380 --> 01:08:25,520
Yeah.

849
01:08:34,310 --> 01:08:37,190
That's like we're looking for a motion

850
01:08:37,190 --> 01:08:39,010
and select one of the old part of there

851
01:08:39,010 --> 01:08:40,990
so we can move this project forward.

852
01:08:42,770 --> 01:08:43,830
So the next step,

853
01:08:43,830 --> 01:08:54,030
But I make a move that we select as our primary option, option three for the stormwater mitigation

854
01:08:55,310 --> 01:09:01,410
project and a whole new option two is a secondary, you know, let's recap this out.

855
01:09:05,480 --> 01:09:07,500
Are we in the first thing for...

856
01:09:07,500 --> 01:09:08,140
Well, hang on.

857
01:09:08,300 --> 01:09:08,680
Hang on.

858
01:09:08,680 --> 01:09:08,720
Hang on.

859
01:09:09,480 --> 01:09:10,080
Thank you.

860
01:09:10,280 --> 01:09:10,500
Okay.

861
01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:12,260
We have a motion.

862
01:09:12,480 --> 01:09:12,960
Do we have a second?

863
01:09:13,200 --> 01:09:13,580
I'll second.

864
01:09:14,060 --> 01:09:14,740
Thank you.

865
01:09:14,740 --> 01:09:16,600
So we have the point in

866
01:09:18,640 --> 01:09:19,780
the parallel.

867
01:09:21,770 --> 01:09:23,410
And I still haven't seen her saying that.

868
01:09:23,550 --> 01:09:24,950
She said she'd yell.

869
01:09:26,330 --> 01:09:27,570
Not yelling yet.

870
01:09:28,610 --> 01:09:29,270
Not yelling yet.

871
01:09:30,570 --> 01:09:31,750
Discussion from board members.

872
01:09:33,860 --> 01:09:34,820
And our VA is on.

873
01:09:37,080 --> 01:09:39,020
But, Chair, it would be nice to have some,

874
01:09:39,340 --> 01:09:41,420
I mean, he's got some failures, not failures,

875
01:09:41,620 --> 01:09:43,120
but he's got costs.

876
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,220
Lawless, moderate, bias.

877
01:09:45,580 --> 01:09:48,440
What are the ranges of those?

878
01:09:48,440 --> 01:09:53,480
And I didn't point them down, but you got to have some idea of what this is going to run.

879
01:09:55,060 --> 01:09:58,020
Okay, and again, I can get you that.

880
01:09:58,220 --> 01:10:01,800
If you don't want to make the decision tonight, I can get you that.

881
01:10:02,100 --> 01:10:04,540
I can get you a better idea of that.

882
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:13,860
We usually get into more of the nitty-gritty as we go through the process of each individual bit item, things like that,

883
01:10:14,920 --> 01:10:16,080
from a high level.

884
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:23,960
I don't actually want to have that at the moment, but I'd like to do that very quickly.

885
01:10:24,860 --> 01:10:28,100
I'd like to know what your market price is, is what I'd like to know.

886
01:10:28,100 --> 01:10:36,400
Yeah. So again, I can get that something that if you're going to go hard, then I didn't

887
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:37,300
think about that.

888
01:10:37,580 --> 01:10:38,080
Can I?

889
01:10:39,100 --> 01:10:39,460
Mike?

890
01:10:41,880 --> 01:10:42,240
Discussions?

891
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:46,840
Breadbox?

892
01:10:47,940 --> 01:10:48,440
Mansion.

893
01:10:49,620 --> 01:10:50,220
Mansion.

894
01:10:50,540 --> 01:10:50,640
Quick.

895
01:10:52,780 --> 01:10:58,480
You give us some kind of centralized number, not of one specific thing, but if you were

896
01:10:58,480 --> 01:11:04,020
to take an aggregate number of where do you play the project would fall within that way.

897
01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:11,400
Let's say the stormwater system itself is, Heather's asked 500,000.

898
01:11:14,540 --> 01:11:19,080
You're putting back grass for that, now that's just a few thousand.

899
01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:32,120
The gravel itself is going to be maybe $20,000 more, something along the $5,000.

900
01:11:32,460 --> 01:11:35,220
On top of $500, there's other things.

901
01:11:35,420 --> 01:11:37,340
There's obviously the mobilization, the mobilization.

902
01:11:37,460 --> 01:11:38,100
It is like that.

903
01:11:39,240 --> 01:11:43,720
That we're not necessarily accounting for any sort of traffic control.

904
01:11:44,260 --> 01:11:44,560
Right, right.

905
01:11:44,940 --> 01:11:46,020
Those types of things.

906
01:11:46,020 --> 01:11:51,000
But the system, all being equal, each system you're putting in the infiltration chamber,

907
01:11:51,180 --> 01:11:52,200
we're assuming they'll do the same.

908
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:53,920
Those are the same costs.

909
01:11:54,140 --> 01:11:54,680
Let's say $500.

910
01:11:55,140 --> 01:11:57,240
You know, then they travel itself.

911
01:11:57,980 --> 01:12:01,260
Again, that's probably down to $500.

912
01:12:02,740 --> 01:12:05,960
And there's just an 80-20 project based on the TAF.

913
01:12:06,100 --> 01:12:06,960
It's an eight percent.

914
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,860
The 80 percent is the federal, 20 percent is the overall goal.

915
01:12:09,940 --> 01:12:10,040
Yep.

916
01:12:10,240 --> 01:12:10,420
Okay.

917
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,880
All right.

918
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:15,620
Here are the discussions.

919
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:16,660
Four members.

920
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:20,280
Comments from the audience.

921
01:12:20,980 --> 01:12:21,380
Good to go.

922
01:12:22,660 --> 01:12:23,500
The Latinos.

923
01:12:26,750 --> 01:12:27,430
Did you leave?

924
01:12:28,510 --> 01:12:29,070
Okay.

925
01:12:31,890 --> 01:12:34,270
There aren't any other comments from the audience.

926
01:12:34,990 --> 01:12:36,010
We'll be back if you go now.

927
01:12:36,190 --> 01:12:37,590
Just a quick question.

928
01:12:40,010 --> 01:12:41,370
How is this going to help

929
01:12:41,370 --> 01:12:43,050
mediate some people

930
01:12:43,050 --> 01:12:44,310
living in this problem?

931
01:12:45,370 --> 01:12:47,410
That may be a further discussion

932
01:12:47,410 --> 01:12:54,190
with the town as the product develops. Initially, it's been focused on the actual chamber system.

933
01:12:55,870 --> 01:13:01,110
I think we can discuss as we go along whether or not those things can be made.

934
01:13:01,250 --> 01:13:06,570
And then what volume of water does this maximize reducing if we go with the town?

935
01:13:08,310 --> 01:13:12,350
Not the little tap, the actual calculation that we did more on.

936
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:20,790
And do we know what water we get typically falling from this road?

937
01:13:21,370 --> 01:13:23,230
15-inch diameter, you knew what it was.

938
01:13:23,450 --> 01:13:24,390
Well, I'm kind of on the road.

939
01:13:24,810 --> 01:13:26,770
Because that's not where I see it down now.

940
01:13:27,390 --> 01:13:29,050
I see it blood down by the 10.

941
01:13:29,470 --> 01:13:31,850
I don't really remember it flooding there, does it?

942
01:13:33,430 --> 01:13:36,570
So are we remediating a problem?

943
01:13:37,930 --> 01:13:40,410
And I might be happy, but I feel like this

944
01:13:40,410 --> 01:13:42,310
might make more sense if we're

945
01:13:42,310 --> 01:13:48,630
for that drywall time, you know, as far as appeasing some of the flooding that's happening

946
01:13:48,630 --> 01:13:50,570
above this, you know.

947
01:13:50,990 --> 01:13:55,510
Well, we've also heard, and to your point, and that's a respectful point, but to the

948
01:13:55,510 --> 01:14:01,630
front street side, this isn't necessarily going to solve that either.

949
01:14:02,410 --> 01:14:06,870
This is just one attempt, and we may have to do multiple.

950
01:14:07,350 --> 01:14:10,550
If we're going to spend that much money, why don't we just make a bigger pipe?

951
01:14:10,550 --> 01:14:12,010
Why don't we just start replacing?

952
01:14:12,490 --> 01:14:14,650
That's going to have to happen anyway, right?

953
01:14:16,870 --> 01:14:20,010
Yes, this is the Joseph Andy that might not

954
01:14:20,010 --> 01:14:22,970
direct for desert as much water as we're hoping it will.

955
01:14:23,090 --> 01:14:24,910
Why don't we just start extending the pipeline

956
01:14:24,910 --> 01:14:27,010
so that everyone else isn't flooded up the hill either?

957
01:14:27,750 --> 01:14:31,250
So this does twofold as part of the project.

958
01:14:31,790 --> 01:14:35,350
Not only does it help the actual volume reduction,

959
01:14:36,710 --> 01:14:39,470
but infiltrating it does provide a water quality

960
01:14:39,470 --> 01:14:46,910
treatment as well. So as it filters through the sands or earth material,

961
01:14:47,110 --> 01:14:54,530
whatever it may be, down to pedderock or brown lard, ultimately ended up in the

962
01:14:54,530 --> 01:14:58,530
Black River, you're getting a treatment from, you know, for phosphorus and

963
01:14:58,530 --> 01:14:59,670
all of those other things.

964
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:05,760
If we just expand the type and extend it down the river, it just gets there faster.

965
01:15:06,160 --> 01:15:12,380
If it gets in the river faster, the river becomes more raging and creates more erosion

966
01:15:12,380 --> 01:15:16,700
down the stream. I mean, it's going to happen anyway. One of the reasons they have this grant

967
01:15:16,700 --> 01:15:23,660
is a water quality approval project that's out the top. Right. And I'm not saying that's

968
01:15:23,660 --> 01:15:26,240
not a good idea. I'm just saying it might not be the right location altogether.

969
01:15:26,240 --> 01:15:32,260
get you know that that part you might not be the right location I know public

970
01:15:32,260 --> 01:15:35,900
but it might not be addressing what you're paying for and then that pipe that

971
01:15:35,900 --> 01:15:39,700
right on this going up there is too small thing how long is that going to last

972
01:15:39,700 --> 01:15:42,480
when does that need to be replaced is this makes sense to you and this if that

973
01:15:42,480 --> 01:15:47,280
needs to be replaced in five years there are so many projects in the

974
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:50,640
stormwater master plan it's like eating an elephant we got to start somewhere

975
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:55,400
And I think, unfortunately, there's, you know, there was no perfect answer.

976
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:59,280
If we had unlimited resources, we would absolutely replace all those pipes.

977
01:15:59,960 --> 01:16:02,920
And so you get the same funding to do that from the federal government?

978
01:16:03,320 --> 01:16:03,440
No.

979
01:16:03,580 --> 01:16:06,120
This works because of the clean water impacts.

980
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:08,840
And that's where we get the LJ only.

981
01:16:08,980 --> 01:16:14,440
If we replace that pipe, that pipe goes on the backs of the taxpayers on a ball of a bomb.

982
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:15,760
Right.

983
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:18,140
But there is definite needs.

984
01:16:18,140 --> 01:16:21,620
There are a whole host of projects that we need to take care of.

985
01:16:21,620 --> 01:16:29,080
I think there are ways that we can, if you want to, we have to talk about it a little bit more,

986
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:34,400
but there are ways we can justify that this is part of the project and how to expand the scope.

987
01:16:36,440 --> 01:16:41,920
That being said, I don't know if that's going to happen, but I think we can justify that

988
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:47,060
to extend still best part of this and then still be considered being out of

989
01:16:47,060 --> 01:16:51,540
profit. So maybe that's an extension we didn't have in this amount of time.

990
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:55,780
Definitely built through the next set of the next round plans there.

991
01:16:56,720 --> 01:16:57,080
Okay.

992
01:16:58,500 --> 01:17:01,860
I'm going to call for the vote. Starting on my left.

993
01:17:02,160 --> 01:17:02,560
Doug Johnston.

994
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:03,260
Hi.

995
01:17:03,940 --> 01:17:05,100
Christie Morris says aye.

996
01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:05,740
Howard Chase.

997
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:06,340
Aye.

998
01:17:06,680 --> 01:17:07,000
Mike Schmidt.

999
01:17:07,320 --> 01:17:07,440
Aye.

1000
01:17:07,860 --> 01:17:08,100
Heather Fran.

1001
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:09,120
Aye.

1002
01:17:10,380 --> 01:17:10,860
Okay.

1003
01:17:11,900 --> 01:17:13,480
First thanks for coming in this evening.

1004
01:17:13,780 --> 01:17:14,680
A lot of questions.

1005
01:17:15,020 --> 01:17:16,180
A lot of technical questions.

1006
01:17:17,220 --> 01:17:19,540
We're not probably not ready to answer in this evening,

1007
01:17:19,820 --> 01:17:21,380
but a lot to think about.

1008
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:22,900
There as well.

1009
01:17:23,460 --> 01:17:24,060
Thank you.

1010
01:17:24,160 --> 01:17:26,260
Thank you for your time.

1011
01:17:26,400 --> 01:17:27,340
I appreciate all your time.

1012
01:17:37,780 --> 01:17:38,740
Thank you.

1013
01:17:38,920 --> 01:17:39,720
Thank you.

1014
01:17:39,880 --> 01:17:44,620
I remember three public presentations

1015
01:17:44,620 --> 01:17:46,340
for all the brown people

1016
01:17:46,340 --> 01:17:57,260
do so EPA revolving loan funds for a 100 industry. So yeah David Johnson was talking about. Hang on,

1017
01:17:57,320 --> 01:18:03,900
hang up. You all separate him. Yeah so this is just again it's part of their requirements because

1018
01:18:03,900 --> 01:18:11,260
the revolving loan fund has various outreach and community relations types of activities

1019
01:18:11,260 --> 01:18:18,120
and notice this is our opportunity to listen to this information from David and

1020
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:24,680
then give the public a chance to have talents as we try to try to get funding

1021
01:18:24,680 --> 01:18:30,080
for the next phase of the cleanup for this specific property. So that's sort of

1022
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:34,800
our objective here this evening. I think David can walk you through his

1023
01:18:34,800 --> 01:18:44,260
for both of them which you have to help me to back it. Okay now David. Yeah there's

1024
01:18:44,260 --> 01:18:50,520
a couple of slides in here. I think I'm going to skip through them and there's not

1025
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:57,060
too much. You've probably seen some of them very similar. I've seen them in the last month.

1026
01:18:57,320 --> 01:19:03,120
I'm going to fill John's Lampson's site as well. This is very similar. This is for

1027
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:12,280
The other industry property don't work without the new owner with their environmental problems

1028
01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:18,820
as they continue to work on redeveloping it and as a solution to have the practices

1029
01:19:18,820 --> 01:19:28,640
in order for the owners are trying to leverage by mouse that vision to help support the mediation

1030
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,520
to happen specifically when it's said.

1031
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,020
PCBs that are in the field of interior

1032
01:19:34,020 --> 01:19:36,460
and it was from, you know, historical use of the property

1033
01:19:36,460 --> 01:19:40,580
as a manned action facility passes a problem with

1034
01:19:40,580 --> 01:19:43,060
many properties here and all the places that come on.

1035
01:19:45,340 --> 01:19:48,360
So as I said, there's been some help,

1036
01:19:48,880 --> 01:19:51,780
some funding by the primary owner to work,

1037
01:19:51,860 --> 01:19:53,840
especially on areas that aren't as contaminated

1038
01:19:53,840 --> 01:19:56,480
or primary development and property use for these years.

1039
01:19:56,480 --> 01:19:59,880
and then they're seeking funding for the step-by-step

1040
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:01,520
of the initial funding.

1041
01:20:03,020 --> 01:20:06,140
Probably itself, you're not familiar,

1042
01:20:07,200 --> 01:20:12,340
developed in my 1800s, and in the late 1800s,

1043
01:20:12,480 --> 01:20:15,480
it would be identified by the fellow's beer shaper,

1044
01:20:16,340 --> 01:20:19,020
but it's actually a machine shopping

1045
01:20:19,020 --> 01:20:23,760
with at least a couple of coils that have PCBs in it.

1046
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:29,400
This guy kind of sprayed all over the field, I think, just through normal machine.

1047
01:20:31,380 --> 01:20:36,720
And around, I think it's 1983, they moved down.

1048
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:43,360
And then it suddenly became more aware of all this environment of all the shoes, starting as needle tanks,

1049
01:20:43,960 --> 01:20:50,820
the weight of ideas, and then there was more assessment done, and I don't know, 2000s.

1050
01:20:50,820 --> 01:20:56,180
There's probably corrective action by average, essentially, as Dr. was saying, what they're

1051
01:20:56,180 --> 01:21:01,320
planning to do, how they're going to help clean and mitigate risk, as was done by Johnson

1052
01:21:01,320 --> 01:21:02,460
Deputy in 2009.

1053
01:21:03,640 --> 01:21:08,760
There are, you may remember, some initial activities were done between 2009 and 2014,

1054
01:21:09,140 --> 01:21:11,220
but parts of the buildings were occupied.

1055
01:21:12,520 --> 01:21:18,160
There were some funding challenges with continuing to basically remedy the whole

1056
01:21:18,160 --> 01:21:29,560
building for occupancy. And so, there was a new owner that started in 125th. They've been investing

1057
01:21:29,560 --> 01:21:36,940
some more money into some of the different plans that required redoing the correct action plan

1058
01:21:36,940 --> 01:21:42,540
on parts of it. But essentially, and then inside of that, there's a couple different alternatives

1059
01:21:42,540 --> 01:21:50,600
Obviously, someone was discussed and said, oh, this is kind of where this presentation

1060
01:21:50,600 --> 01:21:52,040
is just laying out.

1061
01:21:52,360 --> 01:21:57,760
Those alternatives that were evaluated and what was selected, there were two maps in

1062
01:21:57,760 --> 01:22:02,900
the slides that showed the portions of the building that had been remediated and the

1063
01:22:02,900 --> 01:22:08,860
portions that are still within further focus in this work that we're interested

1064
01:22:08,860 --> 01:22:09,280
in.

1065
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:15,540
specific. Essentially, that gets with APCA, and I'll sit around with three of

1066
01:22:15,540 --> 01:22:20,480
alternatives, and some of them discuss the board, their effectiveness,

1067
01:22:20,780 --> 01:22:24,920
feasibility, and cost, and these different remediation and mitigation

1068
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:28,040
activities to prevent the best-of-pick of our arguments.

1069
01:22:30,620 --> 01:22:32,120
There's this little layout,

1070
01:22:32,540 --> 01:22:35,780
a couple of three different alternatives we looked at for these

1071
01:22:35,780 --> 01:22:41,780
of the area. The building that hadn't been renovated yet is the Nile Action Spachibus,

1072
01:22:42,700 --> 01:22:47,860
but it doesn't allow the building to be used essentially. The two alternatives are we can

1073
01:22:47,860 --> 01:22:54,480
either cut out the materials that have been impacted by PCBs and send it away to the

1074
01:22:54,480 --> 01:23:02,340
windmill, or we can cover it, which is commonly done, which prevents direct contact with

1075
01:23:02,340 --> 01:23:08,380
material and prevents it from outgassing and being arrested and the battle

1076
01:23:08,380 --> 01:23:13,180
term has been used on the other portions of the building where there used to be

1077
01:23:13,180 --> 01:23:21,420
impacts but successfully. There's details on this on slide 12 and it lays out the

1078
01:23:21,420 --> 01:23:31,140
different key aspects of it. So the no action, it relates to the place,

1079
01:23:31,920 --> 01:23:38,940
There's breast, there remains, re-involvements for strange, like an ulterior, which is higher

1080
01:23:38,940 --> 01:23:43,900
as they have, will pollute the contamination in these areas that haven't been mediated yet.

1081
01:23:44,840 --> 01:23:49,060
It's most played removal and there's no risk at all.

1082
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:58,680
But it does have some challenges and it's pretty significant disruption to the

1083
01:23:58,680 --> 01:24:04,920
This is pretty much all, it's just the complexity of cutting out slab on second story floors

1084
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:11,360
and certainly walls are in fact, and then the third option is encapsulation barrier

1085
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:19,500
is to cover typically with like a two layer constant paint, let's just see when it's

1086
01:24:19,500 --> 01:24:24,680
starting to deteriorate, the slab is covered in the forge, it's concrete, they're preparing

1087
01:24:24,680 --> 01:24:33,980
barrier. There's two fellas added. This recent addition was a barrier drywall cover that

1088
01:24:33,980 --> 01:24:43,880
was also used in our third all day. Essentially, the owner and our crew, that kind of assessment

1089
01:24:43,880 --> 01:24:48,160
decided that this encapsulation method is going to be used on, of course, the building

1090
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:57,600
It is out of the fastest and most effective way to get this building leaving it and usable by tenants.

1091
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:02,880
So that was the solution we came up with and selected and it's empty now.

1092
01:25:03,020 --> 01:25:09,020
It's not going to be less expensive than the removal and probably start the redevelopment process.

1093
01:25:09,780 --> 01:25:12,320
It will lose finished walls.

1094
01:25:12,320 --> 01:25:13,660
So,

1095
01:25:16,140 --> 01:25:26,020
just currently a public comment period is open. It ends October 2nd. You can submit comments to the GAAP, and then just add their assessments.

1096
01:25:26,780 --> 01:25:33,300
The documents are available online, as well as our copies are enrolled at all.

1097
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:41,600
reviewing the hope is that once we get there's no significant comments they can

1098
01:25:41,600 --> 01:25:47,580
start implementing these changes pretty much immediately and turn the space

1099
01:25:47,580 --> 01:25:53,980
around and being a usable for commercial leases probably that spring and I

1100
01:25:53,980 --> 01:26:02,780
can get all the concrete in and drywall right some pieces there are some other

1101
01:26:02,780 --> 01:26:10,860
the needs of the property that will be reviving. Now, road, we're doing demolition of a small

1102
01:26:10,860 --> 01:26:19,700
building, some of the site works, so last year, so when the sewage was assessed, we got out the gap

1103
01:26:19,700 --> 01:26:28,800
with no development plans. So, on this kind of final slide here, there's more information

1104
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:37,260
about a bit of contact and questions. There's also a website for the property on 100, the

1105
01:26:37,260 --> 01:26:42,700
number, and then we have the street.com that has more than fictional involvement, so it's

1106
01:26:42,700 --> 01:26:48,260
opposite of reports. So I'm just trying not to go up and end it there.

1107
01:26:51,060 --> 01:26:52,680
Yeah, happy to

1108
01:26:52,680 --> 01:26:55,980
Any other questions or comments?

1109
01:26:58,480 --> 01:26:59,360
Thanks, David.

1110
01:27:00,860 --> 01:27:02,500
How does this work?

1111
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:04,540
The company is privately owned.

1112
01:27:05,000 --> 01:27:05,560
They're willing it.

1113
01:27:06,540 --> 01:27:08,240
They have applied for a grant through

1114
01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:09,520
the Ministry of Regional Information.

1115
01:27:11,100 --> 01:27:12,640
Is there a local match in the town

1116
01:27:12,640 --> 01:27:13,480
that they didn't require?

1117
01:27:16,120 --> 01:27:17,240
The grant

1118
01:27:17,240 --> 01:27:18,440
would work through the town

1119
01:27:18,440 --> 01:27:19,780
to the owners?

1120
01:27:21,740 --> 01:27:28,700
So the grant is, or it's not going to be a grant, it's a loan, a room out of Stutney

1121
01:27:28,700 --> 01:27:34,900
Regional Commission, who has their own board that will assess the application and manages

1122
01:27:34,900 --> 01:27:37,200
their loans and grants.

1123
01:27:37,820 --> 01:27:45,420
So they will determine whether they will receive a money, and this is fairly not like

1124
01:27:45,420 --> 01:27:52,820
best forum to provide the public kind of college presentation that we have to be in. So there's no

1125
01:27:54,320 --> 01:27:58,800
selective action item. We don't have a local match. We don't have a local match.

1126
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:04,380
Really, I think informational as well as obviously redevelopment of all of these proper

1127
01:28:04,380 --> 01:28:08,600
properties in our long-term best interest. So we certainly want to see as many people

1128
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:11,080
and the most was with the cost of the can.

1129
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,600
So that's given, but I'm just trying to get how the,

1130
01:28:14,020 --> 01:28:16,760
that thought with grants, I apologize, it's a loan.

1131
01:28:17,540 --> 01:28:18,740
How then is it?

1132
01:28:18,740 --> 01:28:19,540
They have a combination.

1133
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:21,000
They do have grant and loans.

1134
01:28:21,240 --> 01:28:22,240
Sometimes that's it.

1135
01:28:22,640 --> 01:28:26,320
The board, they'll make that determination of the can,

1136
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,180
but it's a bonus for our pitch.

1137
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:36,490
So you're looking for public comment or?

1138
01:28:38,170 --> 01:28:41,430
I can take questions or you can spit questions

1139
01:28:45,650 --> 01:28:49,990
Yeah. And we have some people here that might still want to ask questions whether it's

1140
01:28:49,990 --> 01:28:56,590
where those questions can be asked or I know you get a QR code on one page here and we

1141
01:28:56,590 --> 01:29:04,430
get email addresses. And I'm looking at the questions. The public comments go to

1142
01:29:04,430 --> 01:29:13,370
people on move and gmail.com is the best for my impression it's off the last page and so

1143
01:29:13,370 --> 01:29:26,810
and we don't need an action item on the work but

1144
01:29:29,050 --> 01:29:31,350
the board members and those in attendance

1145
01:29:31,350 --> 01:29:35,350
and I'm also attending by Zoom participants.

1146
01:29:35,970 --> 01:29:38,970
So, this is a project at 100 River Street

1147
01:29:38,970 --> 01:29:42,270
that has long been in the works,

1148
01:29:42,650 --> 01:29:45,150
and it sounds like they may be having some traction

1149
01:29:45,150 --> 01:29:49,110
to move them forward to expand the use for building

1150
01:29:50,190 --> 01:29:52,250
and public comments are efficient.

1151
01:29:58,810 --> 01:29:59,750
I'm not seeing any attempts.

1152
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:09,400
In here, stay tuned, there may be more coming. But thank you for again, David, presenting that. Appreciate it.

1153
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:20,200
I don't know before, resident request review, Eureka Road conversation in facts.

1154
01:30:20,660 --> 01:30:32,240
So, I did have a written correspondence in your packet, but Mr. Kemp had some concerns about the work that was being done on the Eureka Road

1155
01:30:32,240 --> 01:30:38,520
and some of the decisions that were made in terms of what we were going to do for

1156
01:30:38,520 --> 01:30:46,760
paved surfaces and other surfaces that were going to be grabbed. So we rode, I

1157
01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:50,560
wasn't here when it started but my understanding was that it grew into a

1158
01:30:50,560 --> 01:30:56,980
larger project so we started doing phases just because some of the

1159
01:30:56,980 --> 01:31:04,180
Boston just the general impact of what we were getting into. At one point in time

1160
01:31:04,180 --> 01:31:10,220
there was conversations about what would make sense in terms of inversion of

1161
01:31:10,220 --> 01:31:13,920
some of the paved circles and leaving it as gravel once we get down the portion

1162
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:19,760
of that work. So there was a natural point where that made sense to

1163
01:31:19,760 --> 01:31:26,120
transition from paved to gravel. There are quite a few other as you head in

1164
01:31:26,120 --> 01:31:30,360
that direction, we see more and more gravel, those of more big surfaces.

1165
01:31:31,320 --> 01:31:35,400
So that was part of the program planning for that specific project.

1166
01:31:36,940 --> 01:31:43,180
I will speak for Mr. Camp, but you can certainly read in his email of his correspondence to

1167
01:31:43,180 --> 01:31:51,680
us that he has some concerns about that decision and was wanting to at least bring it to

1168
01:31:51,680 --> 01:31:53,680
the board's attention.

1169
01:31:55,220 --> 01:32:05,060
And as you saw, my written correspondence, that while it's never, you know, our goal is to never aggravate or upset people.

1170
01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:14,940
There are certain times when we have to make some decisions based on reasonableness and what makes the most sense in terms of investment for the dollars that were allocated.

1171
01:32:14,940 --> 01:32:22,440
And in this instance, it did make sense to not continue to pay surface and to allow that

1172
01:32:22,440 --> 01:32:24,460
then to be maintained as a gravel load.

1173
01:32:24,840 --> 01:32:29,340
And my baller gravel roads would do the dust treatments and be regular maintenance to make

1174
01:32:29,340 --> 01:32:32,400
sure that they're in the best condition that they can be in.

1175
01:32:33,960 --> 01:32:38,960
However, that decision was of a concern to Mr. Camp.

1176
01:32:39,140 --> 01:32:41,840
So he wanted to bring it to the board's attention.

1177
01:32:41,840 --> 01:32:46,540
So that's who brought us to this item here on your agenda to save you.

1178
01:32:46,620 --> 01:32:48,920
And this is the upper end of the legal road?

1179
01:32:50,700 --> 01:32:51,240
Yes.

1180
01:32:53,060 --> 01:32:57,520
And then we're going to stop at which intersection then on Jonathan?

1181
01:32:59,180 --> 01:33:03,000
So, Barlow, Greeley, will be the end of payment.

1182
01:33:07,680 --> 01:33:12,160
There's still another strike with full payment that needs to be removed.

1183
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:16,020
about the official end of payment.

1184
01:33:18,820 --> 01:33:21,880
Yeah, and the last time I entered a man who was fairly recently,

1185
01:33:22,140 --> 01:33:24,220
that's a pretty rough-shaped film. Yeah.

1186
01:33:26,180 --> 01:33:29,360
But the new paid sections are awesome. And the

1187
01:33:29,900 --> 01:33:33,120
graded section up on top of the new culverts in this,

1188
01:33:33,480 --> 01:33:34,620
that was a good shape.

1189
01:33:37,440 --> 01:33:37,600
Yeah.

1190
01:33:41,660 --> 01:33:42,900
So you just bring it to our attention

1191
01:33:42,900 --> 01:33:45,480
and the culverts, you know. And we

1192
01:33:48,000 --> 01:33:53,880
We will have a follow-up with Mr. Kemp who just, again, he felt strongly that he needed

1193
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:58,660
to sit at the door so that you had an opportunity to see it and understand what his concerns

1194
01:33:58,660 --> 01:33:58,960
were.

1195
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:00,020
Yep.

1196
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:06,840
And certainly, not to downplay his concerns because, in circumstances, you know, legitimate

1197
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:14,140
and the eyes of people bringing that concern, we just thought from a policy and investment

1198
01:34:14,140 --> 01:34:20,540
standpoint decisions that may seem to make sense, and certainly you'll work

1199
01:34:20,540 --> 01:34:26,520
with them on whatever concerns there might be on that. The ultimately, again,

1200
01:34:26,660 --> 01:34:29,800
when they're graveled, they're exposed to the cave surface.

1201
01:34:32,920 --> 01:34:33,980
We just signed our

1202
01:34:33,980 --> 01:34:39,440
mileage certificate. I don't want to do it. We do it every February, you guys. Yeah.

1203
01:34:39,440 --> 01:34:46,940
Yeah, we've formed awesome the number of miles of gravel roads in Springfield.

1204
01:34:48,440 --> 01:34:52,680
120 miles, all of them, 95 are faith.

1205
01:34:57,970 --> 01:35:03,720
So, we're going to look at to be a 30-some-mile gravel road.

1206
01:35:03,720 --> 01:35:04,760
Yeah, 33.

1207
01:35:05,320 --> 01:35:05,460
Right.

1208
01:35:05,560 --> 01:35:05,720
Yeah.

1209
01:35:09,860 --> 01:35:10,920
Just to put our perspective.

1210
01:35:11,680 --> 01:35:11,960
Right.

1211
01:35:12,280 --> 01:35:12,460
Yeah.

1212
01:35:15,330 --> 01:35:15,770
All right.

1213
01:35:15,770 --> 01:35:22,200
So I don't specifically need an action from you. It's just more, I think, an awareness

1214
01:35:22,200 --> 01:35:27,560
and we did, you know, based on his concern he wanted was brought up to the board.

1215
01:35:27,780 --> 01:35:30,440
That's a normal matter, so we've done that.

1216
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:35,480
Okay. Questions from the board?

1217
01:35:36,540 --> 01:35:36,800
Good.

1218
01:35:41,060 --> 01:35:41,280
Harry?

1219
01:35:43,710 --> 01:35:44,970
You wanted an item from?

1220
01:35:47,070 --> 01:35:50,310
About 2027 the annual meeting special appropriations policy.

1221
01:35:51,750 --> 01:35:56,230
So you'll have two different actions to take this evening.

1222
01:35:56,530 --> 01:36:01,790
One is for just the way organizations would be defined in the Vermont statute, right?

1223
01:36:01,930 --> 01:36:10,150
So one was for agencies and providers that are listed under 24 BSA 2691

1224
01:36:10,150 --> 01:36:15,530
and the other would be for those that are not defined by 24 BSA 2691.

1225
01:36:15,530 --> 01:36:23,790
want. And then once this is adopted, if it does then give the organizations a

1226
01:36:23,790 --> 01:36:33,130
roadmap as to how they would then be eligible to present for inclusion for

1227
01:36:33,130 --> 01:36:41,210
work and again. And this is an annual event that we do, actual annual

1228
01:36:42,050 --> 01:36:45,190
They're the same policies just moved forward.

1229
01:36:45,370 --> 01:36:46,250
Yeah, no changes.

1230
01:36:46,610 --> 01:36:47,150
No changes.

1231
01:36:47,390 --> 01:36:48,330
Step to the date.

1232
01:36:50,230 --> 01:36:57,670
And if they're approved, then I'll take care of making sure that agencies that were involved

1233
01:36:57,670 --> 01:36:59,510
get noticed so they can start their planning.

1234
01:37:02,700 --> 01:37:03,120
Oh, sure.

1235
01:37:03,880 --> 01:37:06,420
Like, when is the filing date?

1236
01:37:06,840 --> 01:37:09,660
Somebody with a new organization that wants to apply?

1237
01:37:12,100 --> 01:37:15,780
I think it's going to be January 14th.

1238
01:37:15,780 --> 01:37:17,440
Oh, so that late, I mean.

1239
01:37:18,020 --> 01:37:20,300
Yeah, that's for the 5%.

1240
01:37:20,300 --> 01:37:20,780
OK.

1241
01:37:21,080 --> 01:37:21,960
I'm going to start it up.

1242
01:37:22,360 --> 01:37:22,760
OK.

1243
01:37:24,680 --> 01:37:28,160
These policies are agencies that are going to be approved in the past.

1244
01:37:28,760 --> 01:37:29,540
So new agents.

1245
01:37:29,900 --> 01:37:30,860
They're going to level fund.

1246
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:33,080
They're going to ask for level fundings,

1247
01:37:33,200 --> 01:37:38,760
and either decide to level fund and send this letter for a letter.

1248
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:39,520
Yeah.

1249
01:37:39,860 --> 01:37:43,760
And they'll go forth with the same appropriation that they had in the past.

1250
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:51,380
or they'll decide to step out in the policy competition for more money.

1251
01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:54,360
What if it's a new organization?

1252
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:57,420
New organization, it depends on where it falls,

1253
01:37:57,660 --> 01:38:01,380
whether it's defined by 24, 2691 or not.

1254
01:38:02,240 --> 01:38:09,480
If it's not defined, it has to be approved by the lawyers for three consecutive years.

1255
01:38:09,580 --> 01:38:09,760
Right.

1256
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:19,200
Yes, but applying for when, when do the 14th, that's January 14th, so your petition, you're

1257
01:38:19,200 --> 01:38:23,960
talking about a petition, that's the January 14th, what you have in front of you tonight

1258
01:38:23,960 --> 01:38:25,740
is circumventing that.

1259
01:38:26,460 --> 01:38:27,080
Got it, okay.

1260
01:38:30,580 --> 01:38:35,440
Do we require them to submit every court once they receive this, will be talented,

1261
01:38:35,740 --> 01:38:36,780
what was that evidence?

1262
01:38:36,780 --> 01:38:44,620
That's part of the policy requirement is they must attend town meeting and last year we had

1263
01:38:44,620 --> 01:38:50,400
everyone except for two. And they were two of the known entities that have always participated

1264
01:38:50,400 --> 01:38:56,680
in past, so I'll hear about them in depth, something else was going on. But yes, they

1265
01:38:56,680 --> 01:39:00,840
have to attend town meeting, they have to provide a report, it's published.

1266
01:39:01,540 --> 01:39:05,700
Now, if they don't do that, is there any repercussions for not doing that?

1267
01:39:05,700 --> 01:39:08,160
No, I'm not then.

1268
01:39:11,660 --> 01:39:13,900
Have you been to one of our meetings?

1269
01:39:15,320 --> 01:39:18,600
Sometimes it's tough to have people say they're bored all day.

1270
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:27,780
And there is, if the support ever wants, there is a financial report that can request a 990.

1271
01:39:29,540 --> 01:39:32,880
If you ever want to request that, we've got them.

1272
01:39:32,880 --> 01:39:33,720
And

1273
01:39:35,960 --> 01:39:40,760
we'll ask you from the state name is just to adopt, you know, it's adopted annually.

1274
01:39:41,100 --> 01:39:48,560
So it will only be in effect before the 2027 town meeting with the two specific policies

1275
01:39:48,980 --> 01:39:50,380
in order of special appropriation.

1276
01:39:50,580 --> 01:39:51,500
We can do these jointly.

1277
01:39:52,780 --> 01:39:53,700
Oh, I think so.

1278
01:39:53,880 --> 01:39:53,920
Yeah.

1279
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:56,940
So one is the second sign to separate these.

1280
01:39:57,300 --> 01:39:57,780
Yes.

1281
01:39:58,260 --> 01:39:58,420
Yeah.

1282
01:39:58,800 --> 01:40:03,460
One is a special appropriations policy, the other is a social service appropriation

1283
01:40:03,460 --> 01:40:03,820
policy.

1284
01:40:03,820 --> 01:40:04,100
Yeah.

1285
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:04,440
Right.

1286
01:40:05,480 --> 01:40:10,020
We'll make the motion that we adopt both policies for the special appropriations for the 2027

1287
01:40:10,020 --> 01:40:11,120
Signal Town meeting.

1288
01:40:11,500 --> 01:40:11,760
Policy.

1289
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:12,360
Thanks.

1290
01:40:13,340 --> 01:40:21,680
And we do have a motion in second to adopt the two special appropriation policies for

1291
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:23,460
the 2027 Signal Town meeting.

1292
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:26,200
Is there further forward discussion?

1293
01:40:27,640 --> 01:40:31,200
And again, I would just like to reiterate, this is an annual alert that we can then

1294
01:40:31,200 --> 01:40:33,240
to do it now for many years.

1295
01:40:33,580 --> 01:40:34,820
Yeah, since 2013.

1296
01:40:35,460 --> 01:40:37,020
Yep, 13 years almost.

1297
01:40:37,180 --> 01:40:38,160
This would be the 14th film.

1298
01:40:40,920 --> 01:40:43,060
I'll ask the audience, including Zoom participants.

1299
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:45,060
Dan.

1300
01:40:45,780 --> 01:40:47,780
I have a question.

1301
01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:53,660
Is there any auditing to ensure that these organizations

1302
01:40:53,660 --> 01:40:55,680
move what they say they're doing?

1303
01:40:58,300 --> 01:41:00,120
Not by us, no.

1304
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:07,840
there. I'm sure they have their own auditing. Let's go through it as public entities, but

1305
01:41:07,840 --> 01:41:14,780
following. I think there was one here. Again, that could be wrong. Maybe I dragged it. One

1306
01:41:15,560 --> 01:41:21,320
aid to see that they weren't going to complete their mission.

1307
01:41:23,800 --> 01:41:29,120
Oh, is it? Yes. They sort

1308
01:41:29,120 --> 01:41:34,960
certified themselves. They're no longer provided service. So the money just stays. Yes, that's

1309
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:40,860
appropriate. Yeah, well, yeah, that's the one. But they don't get the distribution so awkward.

1310
01:41:41,580 --> 01:41:45,800
Right. And they didn't do the work they didn't do. They didn't get the payment. Right. And there is

1311
01:41:45,800 --> 01:41:53,160
one agency on the list that has closed down with the String Mountain RSVP. They were getting a

1312
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:58,500
25 from the Gallaudet renovation of their top of the list.

1313
01:41:59,680 --> 01:42:00,520
Other comments?

1314
01:42:01,440 --> 01:42:02,620
We're in Zoom Christmas.

1315
01:42:04,680 --> 01:42:05,680
Here I'm seeing nine.

1316
01:42:05,860 --> 01:42:06,520
I'll call for a motion.

1317
01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:07,340
It's starting on my left.

1318
01:42:07,500 --> 01:42:07,940
I'm Johnston.

1319
01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:08,340
Aye.

1320
01:42:08,840 --> 01:42:09,840
Christy Morris says aye.

1321
01:42:10,080 --> 01:42:10,460
Tower Chase?

1322
01:42:10,720 --> 01:42:10,840
Aye.

1323
01:42:11,380 --> 01:42:11,760
Mike Schmidt?

1324
01:42:12,060 --> 01:42:12,240
Aye.

1325
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:12,960
Anne?

1326
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:13,760
And the Fram?

1327
01:42:14,280 --> 01:42:14,760
Aye.

1328
01:42:16,240 --> 01:42:18,760
And it's fine and affirmative and they are so adopted.

1329
01:42:20,870 --> 01:42:22,250
Thanks for all your work on that problem.

1330
01:42:22,250 --> 01:42:23,410
You're welcome.

1331
01:42:24,250 --> 01:42:24,750
Yes, Scott.

1332
01:42:25,010 --> 01:42:25,870
I was being circulated.

1333
01:42:26,170 --> 01:42:27,390
Yeah, we both get assigned.

1334
01:42:27,610 --> 01:42:27,670
Yeah.

1335
01:42:27,930 --> 01:42:28,550
Writer's friend.

1336
01:42:30,770 --> 01:42:31,790
We won't try money.

1337
01:43:21,140 --> 01:43:26,180
We're on item seven, award contractor, phase one of the Wall Street wall right there.

1338
01:43:26,720 --> 01:43:28,480
So, we did advertise for bids.

1339
01:43:28,640 --> 01:43:29,560
We had a pretty good meeting.

1340
01:43:29,780 --> 01:43:31,960
We did get two bids submitted.

1341
01:43:32,660 --> 01:43:36,140
And that's on the bid tabulation which we provided to the board.

1342
01:43:36,140 --> 01:43:48,820
We recommended that Neil Daniels, Incorporated, be awarded a contract in the amount of $137,875.

1343
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:59,060
In discussions with them after their submittal, they would be able to start work late September, early October.

1344
01:43:59,060 --> 01:44:04,840
I think it's about a 30-day construction period, so there's no confidence that it will be done

1345
01:44:04,840 --> 01:44:06,320
in early November.

1346
01:44:06,860 --> 01:44:09,900
Well, in advance have been in the significant winter weather.

1347
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:17,380
So, our recommendation is the Board authorize me to enter into the contract with Daniels.

1348
01:44:17,960 --> 01:44:22,080
As we had talked previously, this is only the first phase of this project.

1349
01:44:22,360 --> 01:44:26,820
We will only get a second phase that will be coming with more involvement later on

1350
01:44:26,820 --> 01:44:29,040
in the strength for a board tax summit.

1351
01:44:34,640 --> 01:44:35,320
What is your report?

1352
01:44:37,310 --> 01:44:38,110
I reviewed it.

1353
01:44:38,570 --> 01:44:42,650
I moved and we offer as a time manager to award the contract.

1354
01:44:42,870 --> 01:44:48,490
Neal H. Daniels Eek for the Wall Street Wall Repair,

1355
01:44:48,770 --> 01:44:49,350
phase one.

1356
01:44:51,870 --> 01:44:55,710
So $137,000, $875.

1357
01:45:01,100 --> 01:45:06,720
Are there a second? I'll second it. Thank you, members. If you have a motion and a second

1358
01:45:06,720 --> 01:45:12,840
did to authorize the town manager to award a contract to the LHVM as Incorporator for the

1359
01:45:12,840 --> 01:45:20,780
Wall Street Wall Repairs Phase 1, with a bid price of $137,875. Is there any discussion

1360
01:45:20,780 --> 01:45:28,820
from both of them? During that time period of 30 days, how's that going to affect

1361
01:45:28,820 --> 01:45:30,500
I have to brag a lot for some employees,

1362
01:45:30,800 --> 01:45:31,980
but people being taxed.

1363
01:45:32,460 --> 01:45:35,560
There'll be some restrictions on working from there.

1364
01:45:35,620 --> 01:45:35,900
There we go.

1365
01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:39,100
Right along with all the visitors down the road.

1366
01:45:40,060 --> 01:45:42,100
So we'll try to relocate.

1367
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:44,840
We'll talk to the bank about using some folks

1368
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:46,880
to add to the other part we got down here.

1369
01:45:47,480 --> 01:45:49,560
There'll be a lot of, you know,

1370
01:45:49,860 --> 01:45:51,520
transition apart with folks.

1371
01:45:52,300 --> 01:45:53,740
They've already been doing work

1372
01:45:53,740 --> 01:45:54,520
and we've had them.

1373
01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:03,020
We've already had two, not far from in the back end of the report, so it's worth trying.

1374
01:46:07,850 --> 01:46:08,290
Funding?

1375
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:10,270
What does the funding come from?

1376
01:46:10,410 --> 01:46:14,390
We'll have to take it out of our reserve fund for purchasing walls.

1377
01:46:15,370 --> 01:46:19,630
If you have funds available, since this was an unplanned expense,

1378
01:46:19,830 --> 01:46:24,330
then phase two will be part of our budget discussions as we go forward.

1379
01:46:24,810 --> 01:46:25,470
Thank you, sir.

1380
01:46:27,810 --> 01:46:29,410
Any discussion from board members?

1381
01:46:32,210 --> 01:46:32,950
Comments from the audience?

1382
01:46:34,370 --> 01:46:34,670
Dan?

1383
01:46:36,090 --> 01:46:39,590
First of all, Jim, at the end of phase one,

1384
01:46:40,190 --> 01:46:42,610
we would expect that this section of Wall Street

1385
01:46:42,610 --> 01:46:46,190
will be able to be flagged again.

1386
01:46:46,530 --> 01:46:46,770
No.

1387
01:46:50,060 --> 01:46:52,600
We'll have it buttoned up for the winter,

1388
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:53,960
but it will not be two-way,

1389
01:46:54,020 --> 01:46:55,500
so we can finish the second phase.

1390
01:47:02,180 --> 01:47:11,820
Second question, respiration of the stairway. I understand that phase one has removal of the stairway.

1391
01:47:13,820 --> 01:47:16,860
Phase two, that was a great question to answer with.

1392
01:47:17,960 --> 01:47:21,660
We had not designed the second phase.

1393
01:47:21,660 --> 01:47:26,280
that I can tell you at this point, given how much we're already spending on the first phase

1394
01:47:26,280 --> 01:47:28,840
that I would not recommend that we restore the stairway.

1395
01:47:29,280 --> 01:47:35,640
It will make this possible that we don't have any grant or other funding available to offset

1396
01:47:35,640 --> 01:47:36,200
this cost.

1397
01:47:36,380 --> 01:47:37,360
So this is all on taxpayer.

1398
01:47:41,370 --> 01:47:44,190
Are you going to get another question or comment?

1399
01:47:45,490 --> 01:47:54,850
So, if you go, restore the stairway, is there a legal process for terminating a pedestrian

1400
01:47:54,850 --> 01:47:55,510
rider wave?

1401
01:47:58,750 --> 01:48:04,550
Well, we own the land, so there wouldn't have been any private property that would have extended

1402
01:48:04,550 --> 01:48:07,010
us any kind of an easement.

1403
01:48:07,190 --> 01:48:09,350
So it's just basically, we just go away.

1404
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:20,170
Yeah, but presently, or when the stairway was in operation, it was essentially a pedestrian

1405
01:48:20,170 --> 01:48:22,370
right of way for people to go up and down.

1406
01:48:23,090 --> 01:48:23,230
Right.

1407
01:48:23,910 --> 01:48:30,510
So you're closing a pedestrian right of way, and I'm wondering if you need to have hearing,

1408
01:48:31,030 --> 01:48:35,870
you have a vote that's kind of needed, what is the process we're just continuing

1409
01:48:35,870 --> 01:48:37,430
about pedestrian right of way?

1410
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:40,810
I'm not aware of any specific obligation to that.

1411
01:48:40,930 --> 01:48:44,870
We still have to sidewalk and there's still pedestrian access on Wall Street.

1412
01:48:44,990 --> 01:48:45,710
It just won't happen.

1413
01:48:45,890 --> 01:48:46,730
Cut to you down the hill.

1414
01:48:51,820 --> 01:48:56,400
So your opinion doesn't mean they'll not mean to have a guarantee to continue to use.

1415
01:48:57,700 --> 01:49:00,280
That will be my recommendation to the moment.

1416
01:49:00,820 --> 01:49:04,320
And certainly the board has to look at the process.

1417
01:49:05,180 --> 01:49:07,900
To tell me to add it for other things.

1418
01:49:07,900 --> 01:49:11,960
And we either add it in on the subsequent phases or we just don't.

1419
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:14,200
Right.

1420
01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:20,180
I was just, I don't know what it could be on my mind.

1421
01:49:21,100 --> 01:49:22,920
Statutes that were in control,

1422
01:49:25,660 --> 01:49:28,280
like establishing right away, or moving right away.

1423
01:49:29,580 --> 01:49:31,540
I'm just asking if they don't know.

1424
01:49:31,680 --> 01:49:31,760
Yep.

1425
01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:32,420
Yep.

1426
01:49:32,960 --> 01:49:33,540
Do you have another question?

1427
01:49:34,060 --> 01:49:34,220
No.

1428
01:49:34,720 --> 01:49:35,080
Thank you.

1429
01:49:35,280 --> 01:49:35,440
Go.

1430
01:49:36,160 --> 01:49:36,560
Yeah.

1431
01:49:36,640 --> 01:49:39,400
I don't know if you remember, Christy, but I brought this up in a slope form meeting

1432
01:49:39,400 --> 01:49:45,200
about six years ago about health pedestrians leaving the end of Wall Street there crossing over

1433
01:49:45,200 --> 01:49:51,620
Summer Street were kind of hazardous because there's no sidewalk on the side so maybe there would be

1434
01:49:51,620 --> 01:49:56,480
a way in the future to get a sidewalk on that side. Currently people walk up from Main Street up

1435
01:49:56,480 --> 01:50:03,240
and up the road and it's just so hard to cross. You can't stop a car in the winter it's

1436
01:50:03,240 --> 01:50:05,160
It's still dangerous to put a desk read across something.

1437
01:50:08,800 --> 01:50:09,980
That hasn't gone away.

1438
01:50:13,940 --> 01:50:14,600
Other comments?

1439
01:50:16,780 --> 01:50:18,760
Hearing none, including zone participants,

1440
01:50:19,060 --> 01:50:20,760
by the way, I have seen any hands up,

1441
01:50:20,860 --> 01:50:24,840
so not seeing any other comments or discussion.

1442
01:50:25,040 --> 01:50:25,860
I'll call for the vote.

1443
01:50:26,040 --> 01:50:27,480
Standing on my left with Doug Johnson.

1444
01:50:27,960 --> 01:50:28,120
Aye.

1445
01:50:28,720 --> 01:50:29,920
Christy Moore says aye.

1446
01:50:30,500 --> 01:50:31,000
Howard Chase?

1447
01:50:31,300 --> 01:50:31,520
Aye.

1448
01:50:32,040 --> 01:50:32,560
Mike Schmidt?

1449
01:50:32,840 --> 01:50:32,940
Aye.

1450
01:50:33,460 --> 01:50:34,080
Ian Heather-Pram?

1451
01:50:34,580 --> 01:50:35,060
Aye.

1452
01:50:36,620 --> 01:50:40,100
It is five and affirmative and we are fading along there.

1453
01:50:41,340 --> 01:50:42,920
Thank you for that work on that.

1454
01:50:43,220 --> 01:50:47,360
It's been an ongoing process to seem like several years now

1455
01:50:48,540 --> 01:50:50,180
or recently with a collapse.

1456
01:50:51,660 --> 01:50:52,220
Kristi.

1457
01:50:53,100 --> 01:50:53,860
I make one comment.

1458
01:50:54,780 --> 01:50:56,200
So, Dan, I just looked it up.

1459
01:50:56,820 --> 01:51:01,000
There is no Vermont statute regarding pedestrian

1460
01:51:01,640 --> 01:51:03,640
public right-of-way only road.

1461
01:51:03,640 --> 01:51:04,460
Right

1462
01:51:07,690 --> 01:51:11,910
on number eight, consideration of contract award for the Cemetery Sexton Certancies.

1463
01:51:12,950 --> 01:51:20,110
So I guess over many years, we've had a relationship with the Davis Memorial Chapel for various

1464
01:51:20,110 --> 01:51:25,710
services that they have provided when they have a town of various else in town, cemeteries.

1465
01:51:26,150 --> 01:51:29,430
And it was, I guess, an informal relationship.

1466
01:51:29,990 --> 01:51:35,010
And now that we have made some changes, we have some other things that are happening,

1467
01:51:35,010 --> 01:51:44,110
It made sense to make sure that we had these additional services that's laid out as well

1468
01:51:44,110 --> 01:51:49,090
as provide some opportunity to form our business relationship with them.

1469
01:51:49,490 --> 01:51:56,130
So they did provide us a proposal understanding as it's gone through discussions and a couple

1470
01:51:56,130 --> 01:51:58,330
of different cemetery mission needs by the moment.

1471
01:51:58,510 --> 01:52:02,910
You know, we were waiting for the cemetery mission was waiting for this part first.

1472
01:52:03,170 --> 01:52:03,310
Okay.

1473
01:52:03,310 --> 01:52:05,510
They'll meet after their meetings.

1474
01:52:06,110 --> 01:52:14,810
So this will then begin, I think, at least putting us into a more formal relationship.

1475
01:52:15,950 --> 01:52:30,190
They've been doing these activities for an extended period of time without any of the real sense of sort of relationship with the town, except for worth.

1476
01:52:30,490 --> 01:52:31,650
That was something they always did.

1477
01:52:32,370 --> 01:52:36,650
And we just wanted to make sure that these things now are memorialized.

1478
01:52:37,510 --> 01:52:39,890
It helps us in terms of operating the facility.

1479
01:52:40,710 --> 01:52:42,890
They do a good job with these services.

1480
01:52:43,290 --> 01:52:47,070
So we're sitting on our supporting that we continue this relationship.

1481
01:52:48,070 --> 01:52:56,990
And given what they proposed to us, it's not a huge burden on the relationships that are never operating or maintaining the center fair.

1482
01:52:56,990 --> 01:53:05,270
So our recommendation would be that we formalize this relationship with their various services,

1483
01:53:05,610 --> 01:53:11,830
and then, again, I think refer this back to the SEM 30 Committee for any other important additional

1484
01:53:11,830 --> 01:53:12,230
comments.

1485
01:53:14,720 --> 01:53:16,140
Commission, I apologize.

1486
01:53:17,320 --> 01:53:24,480
So just for a point of interest, the various services offered it was informal.

1487
01:53:24,480 --> 01:53:29,080
And now we have it written, well, we're going to adopt it.

1488
01:53:29,500 --> 01:53:31,880
Yeah, is there any changes to that, or is it as it was?

1489
01:53:35,760 --> 01:53:37,200
There are changes.

1490
01:53:41,850 --> 01:53:47,750
It takes the full burial out of the hands of the town,

1491
01:53:48,550 --> 01:53:53,970
and now it's placed with Davis Memorial professional services,

1492
01:53:53,970 --> 01:53:59,830
Jackson will do all those services, coordinate with the doing of the graves.

1493
01:54:01,740 --> 01:54:05,430
So it takes that piece and hands it off to the Jackson.

1494
01:54:06,870 --> 01:54:08,530
The earned burials.

1495
01:54:09,780 --> 01:54:16,770
There's a small increase in the fee that he will need to charge to make it viable for him.

1496
01:54:17,230 --> 01:54:18,990
So there'll be a little bit of an increase.

1497
01:54:18,990 --> 01:54:24,990
I think it's about $100 for earned burials on the weekday and the 350 on Saturdays.

1498
01:54:24,990 --> 01:54:26,690
It's a little bit no Sundays.

1499
01:54:29,190 --> 01:54:36,250
And again, we'll take the town out of it with the responsibility

1500
01:54:36,250 --> 01:54:38,430
of the professional sex. And

1501
01:54:43,680 --> 01:54:49,820
Davis Memorial will still do all of the meeting with potential buyers

1502
01:54:49,820 --> 01:54:55,420
of cemetery lots in the cemeteries, discussing what's available, as they

1503
01:54:55,420 --> 01:55:01,740
always have, you know, helping with prospective buyer pick out a lot, and the

1504
01:55:01,740 --> 01:55:08,340
town will still be the one creating the team, settling the lives, but he will

1505
01:55:08,340 --> 01:55:14,360
We'll still continue to do the handholding for that part.

1506
01:55:19,780 --> 01:55:20,380
Okay.

1507
01:55:20,940 --> 01:55:26,480
And it's going to provide at least some continuity with the monument healers,

1508
01:55:26,820 --> 01:55:32,600
making sure that the monuments that go in are respected and taken with civility.

1509
01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:35,560
Well, I'm sure it is helped in other words.

1510
01:55:36,060 --> 01:55:39,740
It is a very unique position that is hard to keep falling.

1511
01:55:40,540 --> 01:55:45,320
anymore in any profession, we don't find people's stains for a long period of time.

1512
01:55:45,840 --> 01:55:51,960
But this is a way that we have a professional in-town that does the

1513
01:55:51,960 --> 01:55:59,420
variable to overseed the plot location. We don't need to be as high as any that side of it.

1514
01:56:05,260 --> 01:56:09,920
So we're looking for an action item to authorize a provision of variable

1515
01:56:09,920 --> 01:56:21,220
services offered by Davis from a little capital effective 921.6. Yes. Some of such but thank you

1516
01:56:21,220 --> 01:56:26,480
members. Do you have a motion and second to do just that? Authorize the provision of

1517
01:56:26,480 --> 01:56:34,700
burial services offered by Davis from out of capital that is effective 921.6. Is there

1518
01:56:34,700 --> 01:56:37,580
or further bold discussion regarding the bulletin.

1519
01:56:40,980 --> 01:56:41,520
Yeah, I'm up.

1520
01:56:42,340 --> 01:56:46,460
Chris, is there anything downability-wise as far as

1521
01:56:46,460 --> 01:56:48,240
if there's complaints and stuff like that

1522
01:56:48,240 --> 01:56:49,540
if this doesn't work out?

1523
01:56:53,780 --> 01:56:58,580
Or is this going to contract or understanding

1524
01:56:58,580 --> 01:57:00,600
going to be from year-to-year type thing?

1525
01:57:05,660 --> 01:57:07,200
I'm not seeing this as a contract.

1526
01:57:07,540 --> 01:57:09,420
I'm perceiving it as a handout, but then.

1527
01:57:10,060 --> 01:57:15,420
Well, it outlines, I think, some fees and some expectations, and I think it also provides

1528
01:57:15,420 --> 01:57:21,760
the kind of new deal of service that the department described that they would do in various ways

1529
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:22,680
and come with it.

1530
01:57:23,380 --> 01:57:28,320
Well, I think it's, I'd put it as a contract list, but that's the language that you've

1531
01:57:28,320 --> 01:57:29,080
discussed it in.

1532
01:57:29,740 --> 01:57:35,860
So, but if there's another provider or there's some reason another one in the home office

1533
01:57:35,860 --> 01:57:41,400
of suggestions and opens up a Springfield location.

1534
01:57:41,700 --> 01:57:44,100
That's something we probably will talk about in the back of that.

1535
01:57:51,660 --> 01:57:59,300
And the fees are going to, to that point, the fees that are listed here, will they now

1536
01:57:59,300 --> 01:58:02,340
control those fees or do we still have them as a tab?

1537
01:58:02,620 --> 01:58:08,980
So it's a little tricky because the cemetery commissioners have the control over fees.

1538
01:58:09,500 --> 01:58:09,660
Right.

1539
01:58:09,660 --> 01:58:12,300
And then did they come to us?

1540
01:58:13,640 --> 01:58:15,960
So it just all snowballed.

1541
01:58:16,300 --> 01:58:17,200
What the hell it was.

1542
01:58:18,500 --> 01:58:21,580
They came and let you know they were increasing the fees

1543
01:58:21,580 --> 01:58:25,500
and at the same time the public works was losing its sex

1544
01:58:25,500 --> 01:58:29,780
and of course there's a cemetery ordinance in the middle

1545
01:58:29,780 --> 01:58:30,680
of that as well.

1546
01:58:31,000 --> 01:58:35,800
And this option rose to the top of probably

1547
01:58:35,800 --> 01:58:36,820
a better way to go.

1548
01:58:36,820 --> 01:58:47,040
So the cemetery fishers will meet in the beginning of October, and I anticipate they will ratify this.

1549
01:58:47,500 --> 01:58:53,040
That will accuse themselves, there will be any commissioners that will they consider.

1550
01:58:53,900 --> 01:59:01,800
It's the best alternative for taking care of our citizens and the people who are buying lots

1551
01:59:01,800 --> 01:59:08,240
and we still have families very, very, that we need to expand on their lots.

1552
01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:13,720
And the ties in whether or not we're signifying with a digital project that we didn't believe.

1553
01:59:14,300 --> 01:59:19,800
So these two things will fold hand-in-hand and have a problem that we can provide

1554
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:25,160
with some better service and more professional service.

1555
01:59:27,180 --> 01:59:30,320
So the cemetery actually does have some photos like that.

1556
01:59:30,320 --> 01:59:35,560
I think that'll get out of the carton or the station.

1557
01:59:38,760 --> 01:59:39,760
Did I answer your question?

1558
01:59:40,040 --> 01:59:40,860
Yeah, no.

1559
01:59:41,420 --> 01:59:43,840
All right. Discussion?

1560
01:59:45,730 --> 01:59:46,690
Comments? My audience?

1561
01:59:49,860 --> 01:59:51,520
No, it gets longer after summertime.

1562
01:59:51,820 --> 01:59:52,580
I've ground things out.

1563
01:59:55,480 --> 01:59:58,880
Not hearing any discussion or comments?

1564
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:05,700
Zoom participants, I will call the motion, standing on my left, Doug Johnson, aye,

1565
02:00:06,260 --> 02:00:11,920
Christian Moore, said aye, Kara Chase, aye, Schmidt, aye, and Heather Framon.

1566
02:00:12,500 --> 02:00:12,940
Aye.

1567
02:00:14,960 --> 02:00:21,880
That is five in the affirmative. And so you'll, somebody will inform the

1568
02:00:21,880 --> 02:00:26,680
Cemetery Commission. This will be on their agenda at the beginning of October.

1569
02:00:26,680 --> 02:00:33,200
I'll update the website and make sure there's continuity of information.

1570
02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:35,560
Very good. Thank you.

1571
02:00:37,120 --> 02:00:43,140
Item number nine, adopt a memorandum of understanding for the contract United Federation of Police Officers.

1572
02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:48,420
And that will be from January 1st, 2026 to 1231, 2027.

1573
02:00:48,420 --> 02:01:09,020
So there's a new organization you had previously been dealing with in the PBA and the PBA, and the local officers have decided that they are now going to be represented by the United Federation of Police Officers, which is their decision.

1574
02:01:09,020 --> 02:01:17,500
And so we did negotiate their new team, the FPO, very involved negotiations.

1575
02:01:17,940 --> 02:01:22,240
There was a lot of items that were on the table.

1576
02:01:23,020 --> 02:01:24,620
It always comes down.

1577
02:01:25,720 --> 02:01:29,820
When contracts get down to the bottom line, it's down to the bottom line.

1578
02:01:29,920 --> 02:01:31,220
What is it doing in terms of money?

1579
02:01:31,420 --> 02:01:35,780
So you can see there are some percentage increases there plus living.

1580
02:01:35,780 --> 02:01:42,540
So we have 3.75% in the first year and 4.5% in the second year.

1581
02:01:44,520 --> 02:01:47,100
A lot of language that was up to date.

1582
02:01:47,380 --> 02:01:52,660
And so I did red line copies for you to see where the various language was updated,

1583
02:01:53,180 --> 02:01:56,760
which is helpful in terms of all of our specialty assignments

1584
02:01:56,760 --> 02:02:02,380
and how those are handled contractually, which is an advantage,

1585
02:02:02,380 --> 02:02:09,140
which I think to both our rank and file members, because that gives them opportunities to be

1586
02:02:09,140 --> 02:02:12,140
other assignments outside of regular control.

1587
02:02:12,730 --> 02:02:18,840
It gives us some benefits as a community because then these officers are now bringing

1588
02:02:18,840 --> 02:02:23,280
other skills as they look into some of these specialty assignments that are not permanent.

1589
02:02:23,280 --> 02:02:39,820
So we think that in the long run that gives us a more professional, more balanced and hopefully motivated force as we continue to move forward with a variety of different objectives.

1590
02:02:39,820 --> 02:02:45,840
A school resource officer was a large social compensation, and that's a newer position,

1591
02:02:46,380 --> 02:02:50,900
including the Senator wants you to obviously get away with over time, but things like the

1592
02:02:50,900 --> 02:02:56,000
drug task force and the provision to power the technical board.

1593
02:02:56,840 --> 02:03:04,920
The other items that changed quite a bit of the time was to discuss being other benefits.

1594
02:03:04,920 --> 02:03:13,800
And so those conversations we did end up with some new vision and dental programs out bits,

1595
02:03:13,920 --> 02:03:20,440
which was interesting because it actually has a reduced premium for an enhanced program.

1596
02:03:20,800 --> 02:03:21,960
So that's actually a benefit.

1597
02:03:22,600 --> 02:03:25,560
Hopefully it's a benefit so we're going to file an undershift.

1598
02:03:25,960 --> 02:03:28,500
And it certainly benefits us because we had to pay it well.

1599
02:03:28,500 --> 02:03:32,420
So we felt that it was a nice win for both sides.

1600
02:03:32,560 --> 02:03:36,640
We found one-to-duty death benefits increase in life insurance

1601
02:03:36,640 --> 02:03:39,580
of things that, again, we don't remember how to address,

1602
02:03:39,740 --> 02:03:42,580
but it was important to the membership

1603
02:03:42,580 --> 02:03:44,700
that we took those into consideration

1604
02:03:44,700 --> 02:03:47,280
so they didn't end up in the final documents

1605
02:03:48,100 --> 02:03:49,360
that we brought to you.

1606
02:03:49,960 --> 02:03:53,500
And so ultimately, it was a tough negotiation

1607
02:03:53,500 --> 02:03:54,580
as it always are.

1608
02:03:54,580 --> 02:04:01,380
It's tough to do them easily, but a value on people that do these types of services

1609
02:04:01,380 --> 02:04:06,760
because the local standards, they're highly trained and very committed professionals.

1610
02:04:07,120 --> 02:04:12,120
And when you just talk dollars and cents, it doesn't always take into consideration

1611
02:04:12,120 --> 02:04:15,920
how you value the job that they do.

1612
02:04:16,280 --> 02:04:23,640
So those negotiations can be delicate and certainly appreciated working with the team

1613
02:04:23,640 --> 02:04:29,700
from the union, they were very easy to work with.

1614
02:04:29,880 --> 02:04:33,360
We had quite a few meetings because this was, I think,

1615
02:04:33,960 --> 02:04:37,320
an opportunity for us to really dig into some of the issues

1616
02:04:37,320 --> 02:04:41,340
that had been just needed to get resolved.

1617
02:04:41,600 --> 02:04:44,060
So that's why I think it took the number of barred

1618
02:04:44,060 --> 02:04:45,160
and accession that it took.

1619
02:04:46,180 --> 02:04:50,280
But in the long run, I felt that we came up with a two-year

1620
02:04:51,120 --> 02:04:57,560
contract that was sustainable financially for us and community certainly a

1621
02:04:58,260 --> 02:05:07,120
benefit to them in terms of the types of types of the three minutes that are the

1622
02:05:07,120 --> 02:05:12,000
types of benefits and certainly a pay that came out of it. So I felt all in

1623
02:05:12,000 --> 02:05:15,080
all that would be something that I would recommend to the board and that we would

1624
02:05:15,080 --> 02:05:15,520
ratify.

1625
02:05:21,240 --> 02:05:23,380
Okay, you heard a discussion from the

1626
02:05:23,380 --> 02:05:30,860
top manager regarding the voice department contract and whether the staff do have an

1627
02:05:31,330 --> 02:05:38,740
action item ready. We want to get this on the table from discussion and looking

1628
02:05:42,130 --> 02:05:42,590
for more

1629
02:05:42,590 --> 02:05:42,830
numbers.

1630
02:05:43,050 --> 02:05:50,130
I move that we operate the fund manager to sign the memorandum of understanding with

1631
02:05:50,130 --> 02:05:57,250
the contract of the United Federation Police Office serves for a two-year time.

1632
02:06:01,270 --> 02:06:02,050
You say three years?

1633
02:06:02,250 --> 02:06:04,110
Two years, three years, yeah. Sorry, it's not due.

1634
02:06:04,510 --> 02:06:05,370
No, no, that's okay.

1635
02:06:06,270 --> 02:06:06,950
I'll second it.

1636
02:06:07,730 --> 02:06:09,970
Thank you, members. We'll have a moment to second it.

1637
02:06:11,130 --> 02:06:17,510
We'll authorize the town manager to sign a contract with the UFTO Local 401 for a period

1638
02:06:17,510 --> 02:06:23,010
of two years, which is from January 1, 2026 to December 31,

1639
02:06:23,010 --> 02:06:26,190
is 2027. Is there further discussion?

1640
02:06:28,110 --> 02:06:31,510
Usually in the past now there have been three year contracts

1641
02:06:31,510 --> 02:06:34,690
versus two years, so I don't know. This was the

1642
02:06:34,690 --> 02:06:38,210
new union that's representing them. This is

1643
02:06:38,210 --> 02:06:40,490
the way they're doing it now?

1644
02:06:41,750 --> 02:06:46,150
They were very focused on the inflationary impacts

1645
02:06:46,980 --> 02:06:50,970
into the outfield years and the numbers that we were talking about were just

1646
02:06:50,970 --> 02:06:55,890
not, you know, listening. So just gave us an opportunity to work within this window,

1647
02:06:56,230 --> 02:07:01,470
and then hopefully we'll see where we are all two years from now. So we just were not even close

1648
02:07:01,470 --> 02:07:11,250
on the third year. We don't concern I have right now. Everybody has, well, has, you know,

1649
02:07:13,570 --> 02:07:18,830
retirement and social security is what 2.6 this year. And I think we're talking

1650
02:07:18,830 --> 02:07:24,190
can possibly 3.5 to 3.6 cost of living in peace for next year.

1651
02:07:24,370 --> 02:07:25,790
If there's somebody on a fixed end time,

1652
02:07:26,250 --> 02:07:27,790
so that can turn it in.

1653
02:07:27,910 --> 02:07:29,730
Oh, this is just a small part of the budget,

1654
02:07:29,970 --> 02:07:32,810
but I know I will probably keep that up

1655
02:07:32,810 --> 02:07:37,190
with the pace of the cost of living.

1656
02:07:37,550 --> 02:07:41,270
But we also have to look at the, I think,

1657
02:07:41,430 --> 02:07:43,230
the tax credit of students.

1658
02:07:45,370 --> 02:07:53,870
I wouldn't want to rectify this contact, I mean approve it, but I think that's something

1659
02:07:53,870 --> 02:07:55,590
that we'll get in the future.

1660
02:07:57,530 --> 02:08:02,950
Can we look at some of the rates of being awarded to departments that are reasonably

1661
02:08:02,950 --> 02:08:08,710
close by to us that might be potentially considered, you know, some more than also

1662
02:08:08,710 --> 02:08:15,370
So my transparent, those, some of those communities were offering substantially higher increases

1663
02:08:15,370 --> 02:08:16,830
in what possible.

1664
02:08:17,950 --> 02:08:22,670
And that was a good challenge for us, because we were not discussing those types of monthly

1665
02:08:22,670 --> 02:08:27,690
supplies, the states, the sedans, and that's what some of the speakers said to Grant and

1666
02:08:27,690 --> 02:08:32,490
some of these conferences, which is why we have a lot of time being within the 30th.

1667
02:08:33,070 --> 02:08:33,210
Okay.

1668
02:08:36,840 --> 02:08:37,440
All set?

1669
02:08:38,040 --> 02:08:38,200
Yeah.

1670
02:08:38,560 --> 02:08:38,700
Thank you.

1671
02:08:38,720 --> 02:08:39,240
Other discussions?

1672
02:08:39,240 --> 02:08:40,840
Any questions or comments?

1673
02:08:45,340 --> 02:08:48,400
Yeah, I just, I mean two observations.

1674
02:08:49,880 --> 02:08:53,840
Both about the non-discrimination bosses in this agreement.

1675
02:08:54,240 --> 02:08:57,420
And I just want to briefly discuss them.

1676
02:08:58,580 --> 02:09:09,060
In Article 8, non-discrimination, there's language which talks about the non-discrimination policy through the town or the union.

1677
02:09:09,060 --> 02:09:17,800
and it reads differently than in Article 9, which is just below it, which I find a little

1678
02:09:17,800 --> 02:09:24,660
strange and I'm sure it's probably fine the way it is, but discrimination is in the top

1679
02:09:24,660 --> 02:09:31,520
one for people with disabilities. And in the second instance, it listed as a mentor,

1680
02:09:31,700 --> 02:09:37,340
a disabled handicap rather than disability, which is an odd discrepancy in the same

1681
02:09:37,340 --> 02:09:37,840
documents.

1682
02:09:44,120 --> 02:09:51,740
Most of these things do follow because we do have various

1683
02:09:51,740 --> 02:09:57,580
protections that were required to maintain for our insurability so that we

1684
02:09:57,580 --> 02:10:02,140
have standards and so a lot of that language comes out of those types of

1685
02:10:02,140 --> 02:10:06,060
insurance, but I can certainly look to see if there's something that's not.

1686
02:10:07,300 --> 02:10:12,300
I was wondering if the language for the top section for non-extrem nation

1687
02:10:12,300 --> 02:10:17,420
must pull around the files from the town to match the town's language and then maybe in the

1688
02:10:17,420 --> 02:10:22,520
people employment opportunity section that might have been pulled from like the police

1689
02:10:22,520 --> 02:10:29,260
organizations internal documents that might be the difference but it also breaks up creed and

1690
02:10:29,260 --> 02:10:34,100
religion in line and fits them together as a group in the other one which is just a little

1691
02:10:34,100 --> 02:10:40,180
strange and then my second issue in this contact also surrounds non-discrimination

1692
02:10:40,180 --> 02:10:48,060
They clearly state in both of these, regardless of the way it's phrased that gender is covered

1693
02:10:48,060 --> 02:10:48,680
under there.

1694
02:10:49,020 --> 02:10:55,260
But further down in the document, there's several instances where they refer to union

1695
02:10:55,260 --> 02:11:01,400
members or police officers or people that this contract applies to with the language

1696
02:11:01,400 --> 02:11:04,840
of he, she, or his, hers.

1697
02:11:04,840 --> 02:11:11,060
And non-binary has been a legal gender in Vermont since 2019.

1698
02:11:11,900 --> 02:11:17,920
So technically in a legal document, we should use gender-inclusive language

1699
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:22,620
because there's a little bit of legal ground there

1700
02:11:22,620 --> 02:11:28,300
where it's only implying to people who identify as male or female rather than everyone.

1701
02:11:29,760 --> 02:11:31,760
And I have reached out to the state police

1702
02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:36,220
So they don't have a good answer about what they would do with a non-binary officer.

1703
02:11:36,520 --> 02:11:38,000
It's an interesting conundrum.

1704
02:11:38,780 --> 02:11:40,120
It hasn't come up yet.

1705
02:11:40,600 --> 02:11:48,360
But in like town policies, I think it would be really good to try to err on the side of caution with not just the language compositor.

1706
02:11:49,840 --> 02:11:55,980
Yeah, we have not addressed that specifically in any of our contracts to be honest.

1707
02:11:55,980 --> 02:12:01,420
So, Joe's bringing up his nice first time I've even really read it with that type of an eye.

1708
02:12:01,560 --> 02:12:04,080
I know some of these things go back multiple contracts.

1709
02:12:04,780 --> 02:12:09,300
So maybe it's an oversight or something that we can certainly share with our attorney

1710
02:12:09,300 --> 02:12:12,460
and see if he has some input as to what we should recommend.

1711
02:12:13,180 --> 02:12:16,480
And certainly we can adopt the NYU.

1712
02:12:16,980 --> 02:12:19,960
We can certainly look through and see if there's something that we should be doing.

1713
02:12:19,960 --> 02:12:22,300
That's something that you should have sort of thought of.

1714
02:12:26,640 --> 02:12:28,920
Okay, so this is just a memorandum of understanding

1715
02:12:28,920 --> 02:12:31,860
the adopted pronouns, and then you move forward

1716
02:12:32,350 --> 02:12:36,800
and get those concerns can be forwarded back

1717
02:12:36,800 --> 02:12:42,280
to the membership and forward-gratified form.

1718
02:12:44,880 --> 02:12:47,120
They approve that, so I don't think it's the same thing.

1719
02:12:47,620 --> 02:12:48,680
I'm not going to speak to that.

1720
02:12:48,680 --> 02:12:51,060
That's what we

1721
02:12:55,030 --> 02:12:55,330
know.

1722
02:12:58,960 --> 02:12:59,740
Other discussion.

1723
02:13:05,090 --> 02:13:06,970
Here and see that, call to the vote.

1724
02:13:07,110 --> 02:13:08,410
Standing on my left, I have Johnston.

1725
02:13:08,730 --> 02:13:08,910
Aye.

1726
02:13:09,510 --> 02:13:10,510
Chris Gilmour says aye.

1727
02:13:10,890 --> 02:13:11,590
Howard says aye.

1728
02:13:12,250 --> 02:13:12,650
Mike Schmidt.

1729
02:13:12,890 --> 02:13:13,010
Aye.

1730
02:13:13,510 --> 02:13:13,870
Heather Frank.

1731
02:13:14,290 --> 02:13:14,690
Aye.

1732
02:13:16,910 --> 02:13:18,370
And there's five in the current event.

1733
02:13:18,770 --> 02:13:21,610
And thank you for all that hard work.

1734
02:13:22,130 --> 02:13:23,690
I know all the words in my mind.

1735
02:13:24,650 --> 02:13:25,250
Follow me.

1736
02:13:25,290 --> 02:13:25,770
Several meetings.

1737
02:13:26,190 --> 02:13:26,410
Yes.

1738
02:13:27,250 --> 02:13:28,090
Thank you.

1739
02:13:31,550 --> 02:13:34,650
Item 10, consideration of Department of Public Work

1740
02:13:34,650 --> 02:13:40,830
vehicle purchase. So we have a couple of items here for your consideration and

1741
02:13:40,830 --> 02:13:43,250
we're in our equipment replacement schedule.

1742
02:13:45,370 --> 02:13:46,890
Both of them are available,

1743
02:13:47,170 --> 02:13:51,590
which was important for us. We're trying to get things that we can

1744
02:13:51,590 --> 02:13:56,270
potentially have out and available for us for this season, the snow season,

1745
02:13:57,050 --> 02:14:02,530
because you've got to be aware there are many of these that are long

1746
02:14:02,530 --> 02:14:08,030
delivery times based on vehicle availability, which has been a real challenge for us trying to get

1747
02:14:08,650 --> 02:14:15,750
equipment in here to help us through these seasons. So the Fords were the preferred

1748
02:14:16,550 --> 02:14:22,010
vehicle for a variety of reasons. We're trying to hand-standardize as much as we can

1749
02:14:23,310 --> 02:14:29,670
on a land and a vehicle type which helps us with our maintenance and our just overall

1750
02:14:29,670 --> 02:14:36,850
efficiency. Having a variety of these with different manufacturers creates some real

1751
02:14:36,850 --> 02:14:42,790
challenges for us trying to keep them all road, basically keep them on the road.

1752
02:14:43,450 --> 02:14:49,770
It's easy to go out and that we always do and basically the purchasing process

1753
02:14:49,770 --> 02:14:56,750
and based on the review and the recommendation from the D2W staff. The

1754
02:14:56,750 --> 02:14:59,970
forward at your 50s or the 90s.

1755
02:15:01,020 --> 02:15:10,260
Both of those were the preferred vehicle for this acquisition. And ultimately, I think

1756
02:15:10,260 --> 02:15:15,720
you were helpful that we can get this through this evening. You would have them

1757
02:15:15,720 --> 02:15:22,900
available for us for start of this snow season so that we would have more

1758
02:15:25,300 --> 02:15:28,380
and supplement as we've already started to build on.

1759
02:15:28,860 --> 02:15:32,460
These would also, I believe, have the pre-treatment as well.

1760
02:15:34,880 --> 02:15:36,700
We have a lot of them.

1761
02:15:37,160 --> 02:15:39,560
We have the build-up on the pre-treatment.

1762
02:15:40,380 --> 02:15:43,600
We have magnesium chloride for the streets,

1763
02:15:43,680 --> 02:15:47,100
which is something that we're going to be doing more aggressively.

1764
02:15:47,320 --> 02:15:50,660
We just want to try to reduce an overall salt utilization

1765
02:15:51,860 --> 02:15:58,160
So that also fits into that piece of our winter service program as well.

1766
02:16:06,290 --> 02:16:12,450
Ben, just for informational purposes, what is the year the two vehicles were replaced?

1767
02:16:14,280 --> 02:16:17,390
Oh boy, the S7's in 2009.

1768
02:16:19,310 --> 02:16:21,230
The other one since 2018.

1769
02:16:24,480 --> 02:16:24,740
Good

1770
02:16:26,860 --> 02:16:28,780
to use that model.

1771
02:16:29,940 --> 02:16:34,560
That one, I actually is not currently inspectable, you know.

1772
02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:36,180
That road.

1773
02:16:36,580 --> 02:16:37,020
That's not.

1774
02:16:37,240 --> 02:16:37,820
That road is ready.

1775
02:16:38,040 --> 02:16:38,620
That road is ready.

1776
02:16:38,980 --> 02:16:39,140
Wow.

1777
02:16:39,420 --> 02:16:39,660
Okay.

1778
02:16:45,220 --> 02:16:49,100
So members, you heard the presentation.

1779
02:16:50,300 --> 02:16:54,820
The town manager is looking for authorization to purchase the two vehicles from the board

1780
02:16:55,840 --> 02:16:59,700
at the cost of $71,856.59.

1781
02:17:01,890 --> 02:17:06,990
And the purchase of a Ford F-350 for a service vehicle for Ford to claim on for a 75,000

1782
02:17:06,990 --> 02:17:08,530
worth $11.00.

1783
02:17:12,730 --> 02:17:13,790
It's a pleasure to board.

1784
02:17:16,320 --> 02:17:23,920
I'll move that we, the town manager, to purchase the two F-350s from the board

1785
02:17:23,920 --> 02:17:27,920
was priced in our proposal.

1786
02:17:34,650 --> 02:17:37,730
Thank you members. And we have a motion in second

1787
02:17:37,730 --> 02:17:43,310
bid to authorize the town manager to purchase two vehicles. We can forward F3

1788
02:17:43,310 --> 02:17:50,210
pickings for discussion to the board members. I see that the

1789
02:17:50,210 --> 02:17:56,250
shabbies were seen to have a better extended warranty and also a lower

1790
02:17:56,250 --> 02:18:03,290
fries and I wonder the reason why we're not going with them that we've had

1791
02:18:03,290 --> 02:18:13,080
Chevy's in the week before so several months we've done these times back so

1792
02:18:15,480 --> 02:18:18,800
what's their difference we're talking about about $11,000 for the

1793
02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:23,240
April visit or difference between different I don't have the numbers

1794
02:18:23,240 --> 02:18:23,880
Or is it close?

1795
02:18:24,400 --> 02:18:26,140
Yeah, and then they go there.

1796
02:18:26,340 --> 02:18:30,540
It's more, it's, the ports have been reliable.

1797
02:18:31,100 --> 02:18:32,920
We've had Chevrolet's.

1798
02:18:34,700 --> 02:18:39,540
My understanding and talking with the people

1799
02:18:39,540 --> 02:18:42,320
that you maintain them as well is that it's also

1800
02:18:43,260 --> 02:18:46,500
been a benefit that we've had

1801
02:18:47,100 --> 02:18:49,480
with trying to standardize that we were able

1802
02:18:49,480 --> 02:18:56,900
to get first and keep the equipment on the road that last time out of service.

1803
02:18:57,580 --> 02:19:00,760
We've had some issues for some of the other ones, but out of service time.

1804
02:19:06,180 --> 02:19:07,920
Also make up

1805
02:19:12,600 --> 02:19:15,760
with all the safe handling, all the safe instruments.

1806
02:19:17,460 --> 02:19:23,260
To give them all parts and service all life across the board,

1807
02:19:51,230 --> 02:20:00,670
For the discussion from board members, and I would like to clarify that on one of the

1808
02:20:00,670 --> 02:20:10,530
boards, the actual purchase price is 60,000, 5.5, a snow plow, sales accessory, 6,100,

1809
02:20:11,290 --> 02:20:13,390
or total of 66,600.

1810
02:20:14,750 --> 02:20:21,430
There's an addition for seat covers, vent shade, and four liners, which help the word be informed.

1811
02:20:22,570 --> 02:20:33,690
And a five-year, 100,000 premium care at $5,600, and that adds up to $73,300 minus the trade

1812
02:20:33,690 --> 02:20:40,050
and 1,500 to get us to that 71,799.59.

1813
02:20:42,350 --> 02:20:47,550
So if somebody hears the bid and it was a $72,000 truck,

1814
02:20:47,730 --> 02:20:50,230
there's a lot more to it than just that.

1815
02:20:50,570 --> 02:20:50,770
Are

1816
02:20:58,640 --> 02:21:00,200
there any further special informants?

1817
02:21:01,080 --> 02:21:02,180
Comments from the audience?

1818
02:21:03,720 --> 02:21:05,060
Including Zoom participants?

1819
02:21:08,320 --> 02:21:09,520
Not hearing or seeing anything?

1820
02:21:11,900 --> 02:21:14,200
Paul for the vote, starting on my left, Debbie Downsman.

1821
02:21:14,740 --> 02:21:18,260
I, first get more, says I, Sarah Chase.

1822
02:21:18,660 --> 02:21:18,900
I.

1823
02:21:19,300 --> 02:21:21,060
Mike Schreit, I, Heather Franklin.

1824
02:21:21,760 --> 02:21:22,040
I.

1825
02:21:24,200 --> 02:21:26,520
Yeah, there's five in the affirmative, so we'll move.

1826
02:21:27,240 --> 02:21:29,000
I'm assuming we get the equipment

1827
02:21:29,000 --> 02:21:32,160
from that's going to help the paper to be set.

1828
02:21:32,220 --> 02:21:33,800
Yes, that's what they're talking about, yeah.

1829
02:21:34,020 --> 02:21:34,080
Yeah.

1830
02:21:37,640 --> 02:21:38,380
Thank you, Ben.

1831
02:21:38,580 --> 02:21:39,080
Thank you, Scott.

1832
02:21:40,480 --> 02:21:42,780
Item 11, consideration of event permit

1833
02:21:42,780 --> 02:21:43,740
for the Tour de Biltrail.

1834
02:21:43,740 --> 02:21:49,340
So the Dave, I'm going to move up to Nassau's story, we will be able to hear you.

1835
02:21:49,560 --> 02:21:50,100
Michael Brown.

1836
02:21:50,740 --> 02:21:50,940
I'm sorry.

1837
02:21:51,240 --> 02:21:51,740
Michael Green.

1838
02:21:51,920 --> 02:21:52,180
Thank you.

1839
02:21:53,600 --> 02:21:54,760
I apologize for that.

1840
02:21:55,020 --> 02:22:01,860
The Strong Foundation has asked you to have an event on June 11th, 2027 that would

1841
02:22:01,860 --> 02:22:03,740
be utilizing the Tumelville Trail.

1842
02:22:04,000 --> 02:22:06,940
You can see they did give us this there.

1843
02:22:06,940 --> 02:22:14,780
but it's the trail map basically they will comply with all of our requests for insurance

1844
02:22:14,780 --> 02:22:23,080
and insert a we would recommend that the board's notes authorized the use of the trail for that

1845
02:22:23,080 --> 02:22:24,340
event on June 11.

1846
02:22:31,820 --> 02:22:32,540
Daryl Molten?

1847
02:22:33,400 --> 02:22:33,820
Daryl Molten.

1848
02:22:34,220 --> 02:22:34,760
All second.

1849
02:22:35,640 --> 02:22:42,760
Thank you Mayor for doing a motion on secondary to approve the Williamville Trail event

1850
02:22:42,760 --> 02:22:51,700
from that to the applicant's own framework that sponsoring organization is Dave McGillivray,

1851
02:22:51,960 --> 02:23:00,400
Finish Long Foundation. The event name is New England 776 Marathons. The date is June 11th,

1852
02:23:00,480 --> 02:23:06,120
2007, in the time of 6 a.m. to 1300.

1853
02:23:09,060 --> 02:23:10,740
Is there any discussion from board members?

1854
02:23:12,100 --> 02:23:14,180
This has been doing this for a number of years now.

1855
02:23:14,500 --> 02:23:15,680
Yes, this is a repeat of it.

1856
02:23:15,740 --> 02:23:16,600
It's a repeat of it.

1857
02:23:17,160 --> 02:23:20,480
Comments from the audience, including Zinn because of this.

1858
02:23:21,680 --> 02:23:24,900
Here in Seeing None, all of the votes standing on the right-left,

1859
02:23:25,020 --> 02:23:25,580
Deb Jonesman.

1860
02:23:25,840 --> 02:23:26,020
Aye.

1861
02:23:26,620 --> 02:23:27,420
Humor says aye.

1862
02:23:27,640 --> 02:23:28,020
Karen Chase.

1863
02:23:28,280 --> 02:23:28,520
Aye.

1864
02:23:28,660 --> 02:23:29,240
Mike Strathf.

1865
02:23:29,240 --> 02:23:29,460
Aye.

1866
02:23:29,960 --> 02:23:30,340
Heather Frank.

1867
02:23:30,780 --> 02:23:31,260
Aye.

1868
02:23:32,400 --> 02:23:33,980
That is five in the affirmative.

1869
02:23:34,640 --> 02:23:35,540
It's all approved.

1870
02:23:41,020 --> 02:23:45,540
Item number 12, consideration of additional appropriate

1871
02:23:45,540 --> 02:23:51,380
for the technology we serve on and emergency purchase authorization for equipment and services.

1872
02:23:52,520 --> 02:23:54,660
So for wastewater, water and police?

1873
02:23:55,300 --> 02:23:58,600
I've put in your package a variety of different correspondence.

1874
02:23:59,180 --> 02:24:06,460
We've had some significant concern about our SCADA systems and water wastewater

1875
02:24:06,460 --> 02:24:13,220
and talked about those prior meetings we've done on some initial analysis.

1876
02:24:13,220 --> 02:24:19,320
I've included some additional analysis we did give Vermont to have one of their, the

1877
02:24:19,320 --> 02:24:27,700
state of Vermont, one of their cybersecurity folks to work with us on a larger sort of

1878
02:24:27,700 --> 02:24:36,700
evaluation of our vulnerabilities, a variety of different recommendations that are all

1879
02:24:36,700 --> 02:24:37,400
encompassing.

1880
02:24:37,540 --> 02:24:40,460
So we're going to be focusing on those as we move forward.

1881
02:24:40,460 --> 02:24:45,980
and they've been very beneficial but we do have some immediate needs as you can

1882
02:24:45,980 --> 02:24:53,800
see from some of these some of these we get these periodic updates about what

1883
02:24:53,800 --> 02:25:00,620
types of hacking is going on in our systems and what what through these

1884
02:25:00,620 --> 02:25:05,720
various federal agencies what act what these cyber security folks are going

1885
02:25:05,720 --> 02:25:10,080
after and unfortunately we are right in the sweet spot in terms of being

1886
02:25:10,980 --> 02:25:15,440
We have old PLCs, which are the programmable logic controllers.

1887
02:25:16,200 --> 02:25:19,200
Our SCADA systems do not have multi-factor authentication.

1888
02:25:20,200 --> 02:25:25,380
They have multiple internet penetrations, and all those things are concerning.

1889
02:25:25,600 --> 02:25:29,720
We've already had one instance of Valware, which we discussed previously with the board.

1890
02:25:32,020 --> 02:25:37,740
These newer intrusions have really been very disruptive to local communities.

1891
02:25:37,740 --> 02:25:42,760
they have walked out entire systems. It's a point where you have to be more of

1892
02:25:42,760 --> 02:25:47,460
water because you cannot maintain distribution and all of the required

1893
02:25:47,460 --> 02:25:52,920
treatments because they have literally taken over your systems and they will

1894
02:25:52,920 --> 02:25:59,400
not authorize you to then go back in and list to all of the required programming.

1895
02:26:00,020 --> 02:26:06,260
So this has been a real concern. We are like I said, unfortunately we are

1896
02:26:06,260 --> 02:26:09,460
I just pardon it because of the age of our systems.

1897
02:26:10,100 --> 02:26:16,320
We are working with the state and trying to get the grant funding to do a more comprehensive update.

1898
02:26:17,100 --> 02:26:26,260
But this initial funding will help us get some of the immediate and critical pieces implemented

1899
02:26:27,020 --> 02:26:29,100
for the water and wastewater flows.

1900
02:26:29,100 --> 02:26:34,920
the other 25,000 to place the police department administrative services

1901
02:26:34,920 --> 02:26:41,000
server was basically crashed. They've been a complete restoration, but it has been

1902
02:26:41,000 --> 02:26:47,160
corrupted. It cannot function when you have to buy a brand new server. Luckily,

1903
02:26:47,280 --> 02:26:55,020
we were able to transfer data, but that is not something that we did as a

1904
02:26:55,020 --> 02:27:00,780
funded or it was an emergency type of situation, so that's why I've asked for the emergency

1905
02:27:00,780 --> 02:27:01,500
optimization.

1906
02:27:01,980 --> 02:27:08,700
So, take that purchase, finish that transaction, and you can see from some of the pictures that

1907
02:27:08,700 --> 02:27:14,060
I included, you can see some of the concerns when you look at some of the wiring, and it's

1908
02:27:14,060 --> 02:27:21,640
really very concerning to me that we get on top of this before we have a real problem

1909
02:27:21,640 --> 02:27:27,120
and something that I have to come back to you and go in an emergency or a crisis

1910
02:27:27,120 --> 02:27:33,040
kind of, some of our really critical structures. So I don't like to come and

1911
02:27:33,040 --> 02:27:37,260
ask for unbudgeted expenses in this range but unfortunately in this instance

1912
02:27:37,260 --> 02:27:41,400
I didn't have a lot of choice. I hope that you can see from the background

1913
02:27:41,400 --> 02:27:48,540
that this is you know really timely and it's necessary and you will

1914
02:27:48,540 --> 02:27:57,000
continue to work this problem with our state agencies, seeing a state person from their

1915
02:27:57,000 --> 02:28:00,860
information center has been very involved with this process with us.

1916
02:28:01,620 --> 02:28:07,880
And I'm hopeful that with those folks working with us, we'll be able to get another application

1917
02:28:07,880 --> 02:28:13,960
for the larger funding that we talked about, which is probably in the 400-500 dollar range

1918
02:28:13,960 --> 02:28:17,240
to do the lease upgrades to help move our system

1919
02:28:17,240 --> 02:28:20,940
into a better position to protect ourselves from these threats.

1920
02:28:21,440 --> 02:28:23,760
But this initial outlabel will just

1921
02:28:23,760 --> 02:28:27,560
get us out of a high threat condition

1922
02:28:27,560 --> 02:28:29,080
and to a better position.

1923
02:28:34,810 --> 02:28:36,330
And we have a recommendation on where

1924
02:28:36,330 --> 02:28:37,190
the funding is coming from.

1925
02:28:37,370 --> 02:28:37,750
We have it.

1926
02:28:39,150 --> 02:28:41,790
So we will have to take some money from fund valves

1927
02:28:41,790 --> 02:28:44,570
to basically transfer it into the technology

1928
02:28:44,570 --> 02:28:46,370
as you'll find in probably those costs.

1929
02:28:46,370 --> 02:28:46,970
Yeah.

1930
02:28:52,970 --> 02:28:54,990
Pleasure to have more. We have a motion?

1931
02:28:59,840 --> 02:29:02,160
Yes. Authorize the town manager to purchase

1932
02:29:02,160 --> 02:29:07,020
for the hardware and software necessary to store a critical computer and to shop for

1933
02:29:07,020 --> 02:29:13,100
them in the police, water, and sewer departments and further recognize the expenditures as

1934
02:29:13,100 --> 02:29:16,760
an emergency under the town of Springfields, Fortness, and Olexia.

1935
02:29:23,000 --> 02:29:23,880
Thank you, members.

1936
02:29:24,700 --> 02:29:28,540
If you have a motion and seconded to authorize the town manager to purchase the required

1937
02:29:28,540 --> 02:29:31,860
of hardware and software necessary to restore critical

1938
02:29:31,860 --> 02:29:34,340
completable infrastructure in the police department,

1939
02:29:34,700 --> 02:29:35,880
water and sewer departments,

1940
02:29:36,740 --> 02:29:39,720
and further recognize these expenditures as an emergency

1941
02:29:39,720 --> 02:29:42,460
under the town of Springfield purchasing policy.

1942
02:29:43,120 --> 02:29:45,020
Discussion involved in it.

1943
02:29:45,140 --> 02:29:47,180
But, thank you.

1944
02:29:48,080 --> 02:29:48,960
So, I

1945
02:29:51,200 --> 02:29:54,160
found, so, I think it would be geeky.

1946
02:29:54,880 --> 02:29:58,380
My first question is, who runs IT for us?

1947
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:20,040
We don't have a specific IT director, so we have a technology and services contract which is a generic sort of contract, and then each of their individual departments has had people that have had a variety of experience, but none of this directs IT professionals.

1948
02:30:20,040 --> 02:30:29,100
I think with where we are, in the timeline of world and technology, even though we are

1949
02:30:29,100 --> 02:30:39,540
a small town per se, we are a full service town and we are a target for data breach and

1950
02:30:40,240 --> 02:30:46,020
we have critical infrastructure, whether it's breached or not, it needs to be maintained.

1951
02:30:46,020 --> 02:30:54,020
I think that we should take a look at bringing an IT professional onto the SAP app.

1952
02:30:56,620 --> 02:30:59,400
I think it's something we'll have to take serious consideration.

1953
02:31:00,120 --> 02:31:05,580
I'll just together, Mike, because I think we have a substantial and severe vulnerability there.

1954
02:31:05,900 --> 02:31:08,320
I think that there are some opportunities currently.

1955
02:31:08,760 --> 02:31:15,040
And I'm talking chamber where we're probably the least threatened organization in the world.

1956
02:31:16,860 --> 02:31:26,680
So Cisco is paying for a full-time bonus form that is doing all of my cyber security and

1957
02:31:26,680 --> 02:31:27,380
IT work.

1958
02:31:28,440 --> 02:31:37,460
So I know that there are programs out there, Safari, Center of Rural Innovation, maybe

1959
02:31:37,460 --> 02:31:42,300
a resource where we can get somebody in the short term to help us.

1960
02:31:42,300 --> 02:31:49,840
Great. So if you reach out to Matt Dunn, he may or may not, or well not that, well he

1961
02:31:49,840 --> 02:31:54,460
had to reach out to Matt, but Cory may be able to help us get somebody in the

1962
02:31:54,460 --> 02:31:59,580
dintrum, maybe even to help clear up that rat's test that you have a picture of.

1963
02:32:02,040 --> 02:32:06,240
Yes. Because not only is that a fire hazard, but it's also a security

1964
02:32:06,240 --> 02:32:07,040
password and so.

1965
02:32:09,210 --> 02:32:10,190
I couldn't agree more.

1966
02:32:12,860 --> 02:32:14,200
For the discussion component,

1967
02:32:14,200 --> 02:32:18,940
Are we dealing with the same company for the placement of these reviewers?

1968
02:32:19,180 --> 02:32:20,640
No, they're different vendors.

1969
02:32:21,080 --> 02:32:26,120
The server is one separate item altogether for the PD.

1970
02:32:26,420 --> 02:32:27,700
That's about $25,000.

1971
02:32:28,360 --> 02:32:33,660
You'd have a other vendor who has been on site working with the water and wastewater,

1972
02:32:34,660 --> 02:32:37,500
which is a Vonte, which is a separate vendor.

1973
02:32:37,500 --> 02:32:46,780
And then, you know, if you get a buddy deal, the equipment was not compatible, but, I mean,

1974
02:32:47,660 --> 02:32:49,380
on the same note, then they take that.

1975
02:32:49,520 --> 02:32:49,660
Yeah.

1976
02:32:49,920 --> 02:32:53,680
I mean, as you guys can see from our analysis, we have a lot of things to do.

1977
02:32:54,360 --> 02:32:54,680
Yeah.

1978
02:32:55,860 --> 02:32:59,740
So, this will be an ongoing conversation as we go forward.

1979
02:33:03,080 --> 02:33:07,920
Peter, is the school department having these concerns?

1980
02:33:07,920 --> 02:33:14,320
We did get it. We did get it. We did get it there as did a number of statistics in the state.

1981
02:33:16,200 --> 02:33:19,320
We were preparing and there was nothing.

1982
02:33:20,880 --> 02:33:21,760
We didn't lose anything.

1983
02:33:23,420 --> 02:33:27,180
We also didn't share the file. I think we didn't.

1984
02:33:27,260 --> 02:33:28,860
So it's coming.

1985
02:33:30,020 --> 02:33:33,880
But we don't think we're going to listen to the PDMS.

1986
02:33:34,220 --> 02:33:38,440
Everybody in the court, you are so out there, it's not fine.

1987
02:33:38,540 --> 02:33:39,360
It's not right.

1988
02:33:40,460 --> 02:33:44,980
So, you do know that we're going to respond.

1989
02:33:45,800 --> 02:33:47,840
Now, just another time.

1990
02:33:49,900 --> 02:33:50,740
We're going to put it like that.

1991
02:33:52,040 --> 02:33:53,800
And everybody can respond.

1992
02:33:54,980 --> 02:33:55,580
Interesting.

1993
02:33:56,040 --> 02:33:56,520
Yeah, thanks.

1994
02:34:00,900 --> 02:34:04,900
I've talked to Peter a little bit about, well, there's a way we could share somebody

1995
02:34:04,900 --> 02:34:08,340
or find a way for us to do something in the water, but if you want to talk about that

1996
02:34:08,340 --> 02:34:11,660
through the more detailed way of doing something, the more of a course to talk about.

1997
02:34:12,660 --> 02:34:19,140
We do need some improvements, you know, some of that technical background and really

1998
02:34:19,140 --> 02:34:25,400
experience. It's not something that goes all the way up to the street, but I defend that

1999
02:34:26,720 --> 02:34:30,400
conversations when both of them have a lot to share.

2000
02:34:37,220 --> 02:34:41,580
But we'll get more engaged in that. We just talked about that a week or two ago and

2001
02:34:41,580 --> 02:34:46,040
obviously we started in school, but now that we've surpassed that initial phase,

2002
02:34:46,040 --> 02:34:47,360
as we can get into it more seriously.

2003
02:34:47,940 --> 02:34:49,500
And I'll try to bring something back to you

2004
02:34:49,500 --> 02:34:52,240
with some sort of neat to it.

2005
02:34:53,380 --> 02:34:54,400
Yeah, for the next step.

2006
02:34:55,240 --> 02:34:55,600
Thank you.

2007
02:34:57,700 --> 02:34:58,940
Any other comments from the audience?

2008
02:35:03,680 --> 02:35:04,620
I'm not seeing, I don't know.

2009
02:35:04,700 --> 02:35:04,860
Sir.

2010
02:35:05,720 --> 02:35:06,680
We've got to stop all two.

2011
02:35:06,940 --> 02:35:07,860
We've got to get you to the name

2012
02:35:07,860 --> 02:35:08,160
from there.

2013
02:35:08,260 --> 02:35:08,540
Oh, sir.

2014
02:35:09,480 --> 02:35:10,060
Brian, the team.

2015
02:35:11,560 --> 02:35:12,800
What's up, if you need help.

2016
02:35:13,120 --> 02:35:14,500
Obviously, we did general review,

2017
02:35:15,120 --> 02:35:16,600
but we just don't get off of a little panel.

2018
02:35:17,900 --> 02:35:22,180
And you can't necessarily, you know, replace servers for you.

2019
02:35:22,300 --> 02:35:24,980
I don't even could, but we would be off, I don't believe it.

2020
02:35:25,560 --> 02:35:28,540
And certainly we have a lot of connections there, but I do.

2021
02:35:30,240 --> 02:35:31,600
So we'll just have to call it a day.

2022
02:35:32,420 --> 02:35:34,420
We can reach out to me specifically if you want to.

2023
02:35:34,820 --> 02:35:35,820
But we won't.

2024
02:35:36,500 --> 02:35:37,180
Thank you.

2025
02:35:40,230 --> 02:35:43,670
Seeing any free discussion from board members or comments from the audience,

2026
02:35:44,230 --> 02:35:45,010
we'll call for the vote.

2027
02:35:45,010 --> 02:35:46,930
Hello, I'm Doug Johnston.

2028
02:35:48,070 --> 02:35:49,830
Just to be more specific, power chiefs.

2029
02:35:49,850 --> 02:35:50,050
Hi.

2030
02:35:50,210 --> 02:35:50,590
Mike Smith.

2031
02:35:50,910 --> 02:35:51,050
Hi.

2032
02:35:51,510 --> 02:35:51,710
Heather Frank.

2033
02:35:52,270 --> 02:35:52,570
Hi.

2034
02:35:54,090 --> 02:35:55,390
And it's finally affirmative.

2035
02:35:56,170 --> 02:35:58,310
I'm happy to merge you and spend it with you.

2036
02:35:58,310 --> 02:35:58,610
Thank you.

2037
02:36:00,370 --> 02:36:01,410
Well, I'm 13.

2038
02:36:01,770 --> 02:36:03,450
We're going to hold that for your next meeting.

2039
02:36:03,770 --> 02:36:05,790
They won't finish their application.

2040
02:36:06,170 --> 02:36:09,370
They have asked me to move on, and then they're going to not finish, so we'll

2041
02:36:09,370 --> 02:36:10,770
bring it out for the 28th.

2042
02:36:10,770 --> 02:36:17,690
So if you just want to ask that one, you will have to turn if that is right before September 20th.

2043
02:36:20,400 --> 02:36:23,120
Okay, we're on item 14, consideration of appointments.

2044
02:36:25,570 --> 02:36:33,250
So we did have some conversations. We do have a new Planning and Planning Administrator, which is wonderful,

2045
02:36:33,650 --> 02:36:38,810
which means that you had to make the temporary zoning administrator.

2046
02:36:38,810 --> 02:36:45,190
And now, I would ask the board, you would now, you'll throw my temper.

2047
02:36:47,150 --> 02:36:49,070
We don't continue on.

2048
02:36:49,230 --> 02:36:50,090
I would love to.

2049
02:36:50,290 --> 02:36:52,030
And if the board wants me to, I certainly will.

2050
02:36:52,230 --> 02:37:01,370
But I'd like to recommend that we appoint Austin as our zoning administrator for 24 BSA4448.

2051
02:37:01,890 --> 02:37:05,650
And we certainly look forward to working with them.

2052
02:37:05,650 --> 02:37:09,970
And that would be effective set final person.

2053
02:37:10,370 --> 02:37:13,930
We also have two, three other vacancies,

2054
02:37:14,870 --> 02:37:16,630
two that we discussed this evening,

2055
02:37:16,810 --> 02:37:20,310
the Planning Commission and one for the Inclusion Committee.

2056
02:37:24,460 --> 02:37:25,740
Did I get a motion from the board?

2057
02:37:28,990 --> 02:37:30,130
I will make that motion.

2058
02:37:30,410 --> 02:37:30,870
We'll be here.

2059
02:37:31,290 --> 02:37:33,330
Who confirmed Austin Ford,

2060
02:37:33,750 --> 02:37:35,410
the Plaining and Zoning Administrator.

2061
02:37:37,090 --> 02:37:39,230
Marissa Nielsen, if I have that correct,

2062
02:37:39,230 --> 02:37:45,750
the Inclusion Committee, E2MNY, the Planning Commission and Charlotte Osterland for the Planning Commission.

2063
02:37:46,910 --> 02:37:47,990
Is there a second?

2064
02:37:48,650 --> 02:37:49,890
I'll second that.

2065
02:37:53,920 --> 02:37:54,760
Thank you, Member.

2066
02:37:55,640 --> 02:38:01,500
So we do have a motion in seconded to appoint the four people, as mentioned in the motion,

2067
02:38:02,620 --> 02:38:05,340
who will be respective positions.

2068
02:38:05,980 --> 02:38:07,840
Is there any discussion for board members?

2069
02:38:09,100 --> 02:38:25,860
Yeah, I think I'd like to just bring to the board's attention, as I do appreciate Ben as well as Kerry and this building both stepped up and were tremendously valuable in keeping basic functions of the zone and moving.

2070
02:38:26,340 --> 02:38:36,420
And so I really do appreciate their stepping in and helping through, which was a pretty turbulent process of finding these persons.

2071
02:38:36,420 --> 02:38:40,620
So I really want to thank them publicly for all the work that they did.

2072
02:38:41,580 --> 02:38:41,940
Thank you.

2073
02:38:43,000 --> 02:38:43,800
Thanks, Karen.

2074
02:38:44,200 --> 02:38:44,600
Thank you, Roger.

2075
02:38:48,700 --> 02:38:50,880
She's so tired she hasn't taken a patient.

2076
02:38:51,500 --> 02:38:52,600
She's better than this.

2077
02:38:52,960 --> 02:38:54,460
That's exactly me.

2078
02:38:55,500 --> 02:39:00,560
I would just like to make one comment to the zoning and planning administration.

2079
02:39:00,560 --> 02:39:06,460
We're keeping with the vehicles purchased at the highway that they were sticking with

2080
02:39:06,460 --> 02:39:06,720
board.

2081
02:39:07,420 --> 02:39:08,100
Yes.

2082
02:39:09,080 --> 02:39:09,620
Wow.

2083
02:39:11,240 --> 02:39:11,380
Oops.

2084
02:39:14,920 --> 02:39:15,600
Sorry.

2085
02:39:15,860 --> 02:39:16,120
Sorry.

2086
02:39:16,120 --> 02:39:16,240
Sorry.

2087
02:39:17,640 --> 02:39:17,900
Sorry.

2088
02:39:20,700 --> 02:39:21,380
Sorry.

2089
02:39:22,140 --> 02:39:22,280
Sorry.

2090
02:39:23,300 --> 02:39:23,460
Sorry.

2091
02:39:24,100 --> 02:39:24,260
Sorry.

2092
02:39:24,260 --> 02:39:26,380
There's not any sort of discussion from board members,

2093
02:39:26,540 --> 02:39:30,340
but the comments from the audience putting Zoom to distance.

2094
02:39:32,680 --> 02:39:34,560
Aaron, seeing none, I'll call for the vote.

2095
02:39:34,840 --> 02:39:35,420
Starting on my left.

2096
02:39:35,580 --> 02:39:36,040
Doug Johnston.

2097
02:39:36,220 --> 02:39:36,400
Hi.

2098
02:39:36,740 --> 02:39:37,780
Mr. Norris says aye.

2099
02:39:38,200 --> 02:39:38,620
Howard Chase.

2100
02:39:38,920 --> 02:39:39,120
Aye.

2101
02:39:39,240 --> 02:39:39,600
Mike Schmidt.

2102
02:39:39,860 --> 02:39:40,040
Aye.

2103
02:39:40,300 --> 02:39:40,780
Senator Graham.

2104
02:39:41,240 --> 02:39:41,600
Aye.

2105
02:39:43,080 --> 02:39:45,980
That's five in the affirmative and so approved.

2106
02:39:49,970 --> 02:39:51,030
I will get it by the end.

2107
02:39:51,910 --> 02:39:53,490
That concludes the portion,

2108
02:39:53,990 --> 02:39:55,630
new business portion on the agenda.

2109
02:39:55,770 --> 02:39:57,170
We'll move on to financial reports.

2110
02:39:57,170 --> 02:40:14,850
So the warrants are in the proverbial box, keep passed around, and I appreciate that we would be able to sign those, and then, whilst they are signed, we will definitely put the copies on the website.

2111
02:40:21,750 --> 02:40:27,650
Okay, while those are finding their way around the board members, we'll move on to the town

2112
02:40:27,650 --> 02:40:28,450
managers before.

2113
02:40:28,850 --> 02:40:32,710
I will try to do this in an expedited fashion because I know everybody's getting tired.

2114
02:40:33,030 --> 02:40:40,230
So just a few updates on projects that we've discussed here previously, the JNL remediation

2115
02:40:40,230 --> 02:40:45,810
schedule. But they will actually start the mediation process as we had discussed previously,

2116
02:40:46,530 --> 02:40:52,010
similar around the 16th or 17th of September. We're just going to go through that. Clarifying

2117
02:40:52,010 --> 02:40:57,770
process and ultimately then post-treatment. It will come back to us to our water plan.

2118
02:40:58,450 --> 02:41:05,150
So we'll keep you abreast. We have testing on various protection built into this process.

2119
02:41:05,150 --> 02:41:11,150
And we're hopeful that this is going to be successful, but like anything, you have to verify this.

2120
02:41:11,770 --> 02:41:14,530
This process is not going to create problems with the plan.

2121
02:41:14,770 --> 02:41:15,650
So that will be started.

2122
02:41:16,970 --> 02:41:23,030
Paving, if you've been driving Mineral Street, you probably noticed that it was no for preparation for paving.

2123
02:41:23,770 --> 02:41:29,710
We have some rain in the forecast, but our paving contractor has said that they would try to be there for Friday.

2124
02:41:30,330 --> 02:41:32,450
So we're hopeful that would be done this week.

2125
02:41:33,850 --> 02:41:40,870
We have some minor paving to complete the Grove Street project and then we are

2126
02:41:40,870 --> 02:41:45,010
going to do some sidewalk work in conjunction with the work that's ongoing

2127
02:41:45,010 --> 02:41:50,410
at 60 Park Street. So we have a new section of our sidewalk on Park Street as

2128
02:41:50,410 --> 02:41:54,730
well as the sidewalk that'll be incorporated into the 60 Park Street

2129
02:41:54,730 --> 02:42:00,150
design and we're hopeful to get that underway prior to this winter because

2130
02:42:00,150 --> 02:42:02,230
if their contractor's going to be working down the hill,

2131
02:42:02,350 --> 02:42:03,530
we're going to work from the bridge.

2132
02:42:03,790 --> 02:42:05,610
We can force that new concrete,

2133
02:42:05,810 --> 02:42:08,790
so we will have that section updated complete.

2134
02:42:09,630 --> 02:42:12,730
And then we will have some additional requests for you

2135
02:42:12,730 --> 02:42:15,130
for another project over in the Riverside School

2136
02:42:15,130 --> 02:42:18,170
of Additional Sidewall related activity

2137
02:42:18,170 --> 02:42:19,070
for your next meeting.

2138
02:42:20,630 --> 02:42:22,830
On the paving, though, I think once that's done,

2139
02:42:23,030 --> 02:42:24,950
there's some additional work on the redevelopment

2140
02:42:24,950 --> 02:42:27,550
and I think that's it at this point that you can go.

2141
02:42:28,310 --> 02:42:36,990
So, knock on wood, then we get that finished and that's been, it's been all summer, but

2142
02:42:36,990 --> 02:42:38,710
so far so, so good on that.

2143
02:42:39,170 --> 02:42:43,750
The Flint Street Water Project has been moving along and we're not getting the production

2144
02:42:43,750 --> 02:42:50,530
because of additional ledge that they've run into, so we're still hopeful that they

2145
02:42:50,530 --> 02:42:54,230
can get to Wood Street and we can get it closed out before the winter.

2146
02:42:54,790 --> 02:42:59,110
It just remains to be seen as they move down the street, they're running that sort of periodic

2147
02:42:59,110 --> 02:42:59,570
trouble.

2148
02:43:00,250 --> 02:43:03,990
They're coordinating with businesses to make sure that the impact is being viewed.

2149
02:43:04,210 --> 02:43:08,990
The service line connections are minimized, so they have gone out and reached out as

2150
02:43:08,990 --> 02:43:11,310
they move down the street, trying to work with people.

2151
02:43:11,510 --> 02:43:16,150
They're closed on certain days, or they have busier days, so they were not disrupting

2152
02:43:16,150 --> 02:43:17,790
their businesses.

2153
02:43:18,810 --> 02:43:22,230
They're not only disrupting their businesses, it's disruptive no matter what you

2154
02:43:22,230 --> 02:43:27,610
do any joint service. But we're trying to keep that to a minimum. That project is

2155
02:43:27,610 --> 02:43:31,830
moving ahead. If we don't get the production necessary, we might have to come

2156
02:43:31,830 --> 02:43:36,610
up with a location to close out just so we can move down and run before winter.

2157
02:43:37,110 --> 02:43:40,470
But we'll keep you guys informed as that process moves along this wall.

2158
02:43:42,650 --> 02:43:43,170
The

2159
02:43:43,170 --> 02:43:49,910
dam removal project there has been more sediment than was initially bid in

2160
02:43:49,910 --> 02:43:56,130
terms of the amount of material at the dam site. So we have requested in this

2161
02:43:56,130 --> 02:44:01,130
current federal fiscal year from FEMA that we get additional authorization to

2162
02:44:01,130 --> 02:44:05,170
get payment for the additional removal. So I will keep you up to date with what

2163
02:44:05,170 --> 02:44:10,710
that stands, but that project is still moving ahead. We have the same thing

2164
02:44:10,710 --> 02:44:14,650
happening with the Lincoln Street project because the erosion there is more

2165
02:44:14,650 --> 02:44:20,790
involved and has created other problems then as we're working with them and I've

2166
02:44:20,790 --> 02:44:25,050
been out there a few times. So they're redefining that project scope that's also

2167
02:44:25,050 --> 02:44:30,650
going in before the end of the federal fiscal year for consideration for

2168
02:44:30,650 --> 02:44:34,350
additional funding you know that has an investigation grant program so it will keep

2169
02:44:34,350 --> 02:44:36,210
you informed as to how that progresses.

2170
02:44:38,250 --> 02:44:40,170
In sidewalk we talked about a

2171
02:44:40,170 --> 02:44:46,810
Park Street, and then finally, the state is going to be doing the waterline relocation.

2172
02:44:47,110 --> 02:44:52,450
Remember, the launch of those, they came out, and as part of the reconstruction of the bridges,

2173
02:44:53,150 --> 02:44:57,790
out on Exit 7, and it's an integral project, and all the other projects out there,

2174
02:44:58,290 --> 02:44:59,670
they do have to do somewhat utility.

2175
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:06,380
Location. This is not at our expense. This is the expense of the best western. When this project

2176
02:45:06,380 --> 02:45:13,100
is done, we'll be able to pick up the, those customers will then become fed off the water

2177
02:45:13,100 --> 02:45:17,900
from the control center over the bridge. They will be filmed in Springfield customers

2178
02:45:17,900 --> 02:45:24,440
and water. So we'll be provided water to the gas station, to the state for building

2179
02:45:24,440 --> 02:45:29,020
and they're for the DOT as well as the headset.

2180
02:45:29,760 --> 02:45:31,760
So that project we have meetings

2181
02:45:31,760 --> 02:45:33,260
and that is moving ahead.

2182
02:45:33,720 --> 02:45:37,960
They're hoping to be able to bid this out sometime soon.

2183
02:45:38,500 --> 02:45:39,520
So we'll keep you informed

2184
02:45:39,520 --> 02:45:41,220
as to how this project looks like.

2185
02:45:44,340 --> 02:45:47,980
So that's it for the end-to-earth-of-the-view

2186
02:45:47,980 --> 02:45:49,120
of the capital projects.

2187
02:45:49,120 --> 02:45:58,240
First thing is on the manager's report, the World War II where they're coming out, they

2188
02:45:58,240 --> 02:46:03,900
were coming out, where the game was, and they got a lot more out, but what they're doing

2189
02:46:03,900 --> 02:46:07,460
is they're bringing a lot of sense of that as they're coming down on the main road.

2190
02:46:08,100 --> 02:46:10,800
I don't know if that's something that could grade that.

2191
02:46:11,280 --> 02:46:11,520
Okay.

2192
02:46:13,480 --> 02:46:14,900
Let's hold here a little bit and look at that.

2193
02:46:15,460 --> 02:46:15,600
Yep.

2194
02:46:16,640 --> 02:46:19,960
I mean, it's in the town of Lettuce Hills, I tell ya.

2195
02:46:21,100 --> 02:46:22,560
I'm sure they'll let us know.

2196
02:46:23,100 --> 02:46:25,960
They've been very involved.

2197
02:46:27,960 --> 02:46:32,400
That's coming out of the access road to the reservoir and then up here.

2198
02:46:32,840 --> 02:46:35,220
That's where they've been dumping it. They've been going up.

2199
02:46:35,780 --> 02:46:39,600
And as you turn, you go to the lower orchards on that curry.

2200
02:46:39,980 --> 02:46:43,160
They've been back in their trucks and I don't know where they're dumping it down there.

2201
02:46:43,160 --> 02:46:46,700
But yeah, they've got the disposal side, but it's about right. So, okay

2202
02:46:49,560 --> 02:46:50,080
Okay

2203
02:46:51,820 --> 02:46:55,540
Where there's a world that is not sweet. This is a personal question

2204
02:46:57,040 --> 02:46:59,320
Yes, where will we create the new family?

2205
02:47:00,180 --> 02:47:01,140
I played my word

2206
02:47:02,480 --> 02:47:04,920
9-on-1 in purposes. Yes

2207
02:47:04,920 --> 02:47:09,500
I gave a list of those to our new zoning administrator as a welcome mention. Yes

2208
02:47:09,500 --> 02:47:12,560
I gave them any welcoming presents. That was one

2209
02:47:12,560 --> 02:47:18,040
Because we had an emergency because we're two and a half, and the police didn't come to our house.

2210
02:47:18,560 --> 02:47:21,180
I had to. I think that happened to us in different environments.

2211
02:47:21,780 --> 02:47:23,020
Nine-on-one related.

2212
02:47:23,400 --> 02:47:24,680
Oh, so we were the only ones?

2213
02:47:25,140 --> 02:47:29,200
No. It was unfortunate, but we paused that because it was the longest,

2214
02:47:29,540 --> 02:47:34,580
and then we, it was only the administrator leaving, and they just stopped to get caught.

2215
02:47:34,900 --> 02:47:36,280
So we're picking you back up.

2216
02:47:36,440 --> 02:47:37,500
So I'm not sure that...

2217
02:47:37,500 --> 02:47:38,000
Well, that's working.

2218
02:47:38,240 --> 02:47:40,000
And that's kind of because of where I live.

2219
02:47:45,960 --> 02:47:50,280
I wish you the best of luck with that when I'm in court, because I'm on front street

2220
02:47:50,280 --> 02:47:54,300
which used to be Orchard Street that about six years ago, but it was the planning conditions

2221
02:47:54,300 --> 02:47:54,860
for it.

2222
02:47:55,080 --> 02:47:58,360
And my own road for our set applies to me, so I know I was suffering.

2223
02:47:59,280 --> 02:48:00,800
FedEx still can't find my house.

2224
02:48:02,000 --> 02:48:04,120
Address still isn't updated on Google Maps.

2225
02:48:05,280 --> 02:48:07,660
We have to fly down the FedEx truck every week.

2226
02:48:08,580 --> 02:48:12,400
We have final and something. Yeah, you got a top one out there.

2227
02:48:15,500 --> 02:48:18,140
Well, thank you for at least making some way.

2228
02:48:19,160 --> 02:48:21,560
I think we're starting to get out of any of these before.

2229
02:48:23,280 --> 02:48:25,080
What was the attendance on zoom?

2230
02:48:31,100 --> 02:48:33,620
There again, like you're up the book a little bit. Okay.

2231
02:48:38,540 --> 02:48:42,480
Moving on letter G future agenda and proposals.

2232
02:48:48,360 --> 02:48:50,640
I'm going to pass this one home.

2233
02:48:51,080 --> 02:48:55,080
I don't have anything.

2234
02:48:55,920 --> 02:48:56,480
Heather Frank?

2235
02:48:57,280 --> 02:48:57,780
No, thanks.

2236
02:49:00,460 --> 02:49:01,840
Oh, I wasn't an offer.

2237
02:49:03,780 --> 02:49:04,700
We're polite.

2238
02:49:05,060 --> 02:49:05,100
Good.

2239
02:49:08,740 --> 02:49:10,240
Committee reports and announcements.

2240
02:49:10,840 --> 02:49:12,340
Any of the members that have

2241
02:49:12,340 --> 02:49:12,460
committee reports and announcements.

2242
02:49:12,460 --> 02:49:15,280
reports or any announcements here

2243
02:49:19,090 --> 02:49:22,130
in the scene, but do you know? Yeah, do you know?

2244
02:49:22,530 --> 02:49:28,910
We have hired a director of human inventions that should be able to work with the staff

2245
02:49:28,910 --> 02:49:34,090
and act with them. Getting better as far as community development. Nice to meet you.

2246
02:49:34,430 --> 02:49:40,100
So, you know, is he all the time in this house? So, hopefully he's served in the

2247
02:49:40,100 --> 02:49:43,440
world for the better and I wouldn't be like that at the moment.

2248
02:49:44,220 --> 02:49:49,040
Is that something that could enhance the communication regarding the budget?

2249
02:49:49,760 --> 02:49:50,440
Budgets?

2250
02:49:51,000 --> 02:49:51,300
Yeah.

2251
02:49:52,760 --> 02:49:53,440
Great.

2252
02:49:54,120 --> 02:49:54,800
Great.

2253
02:49:54,980 --> 02:49:55,520
Yeah, that's excellent.

2254
02:49:57,420 --> 02:49:58,640
Any other announcements?

2255
02:50:01,420 --> 02:50:02,260
No dance this weekend?

2256
02:50:02,900 --> 02:50:03,900
Yes, there is.

2257
02:50:04,940 --> 02:50:07,700
It's an awesome dance going on this weekend.

2258
02:50:07,700 --> 02:50:15,800
the denim and duds so bring your flannel and your best part heart pants and come

2259
02:50:15,800 --> 02:50:24,620
on up to the old colonial of art for a barbecued dance and live music a cash bar

2260
02:50:24,620 --> 02:50:31,380
and we have a silent auctions music cool stuff did I hear today the tickets

2261
02:50:31,380 --> 02:50:39,720
was sold out at least. We're almost almost. Yeah. Fire marshals. Yep. Check in our window.

2262
02:50:40,060 --> 02:50:44,160
So, but we do have some time and it'll be fine.

2263
02:50:46,900 --> 02:50:49,620
Okay. Also, the select board does receive in

2264
02:50:49,620 --> 02:50:53,840
our packets is the notice of the public hearing that might have spent any reason to mention

2265
02:50:53,840 --> 02:50:59,440
the email letter. Where's that two items? The email letter. Two items. Two items.

2266
02:50:59,440 --> 02:51:05,560
B. Transletter between a built trail, e-mail correspondence from Andrew Mayne, Spencer

2267
02:51:05,560 --> 02:51:12,200
Hall of Schoolhouse, Techful Assistance, Surveying, Wastewater Newsletter, Springfield

2268
02:51:12,200 --> 02:51:16,960
Regional Development Corporation, July 28th, Meeting Minutes, Cemetery Commission, September

2269
02:51:16,960 --> 02:51:23,780
2nd, Meeting Minutes, Library Trustees of September 9th, Agenda, Conservation Committee,

2270
02:51:23,780 --> 02:51:31,740
September 12th agenda and the Springfield trails were a real economy of September 17th agenda.

2271
02:51:32,000 --> 02:51:37,780
Those are available and I support packets on the website and our copy is going to be

2272
02:51:37,780 --> 02:51:41,340
treated from the head manager's office. Thank you very much.

2273
02:51:44,160 --> 02:51:49,420
Looking for portion on the agenda for citizens' comments and running low on citizens,

2274
02:51:49,420 --> 02:51:53,020
that they still have opportunity recognizing Dan.

2275
02:51:55,800 --> 02:51:57,420
Wall Street, one way.

2276
02:52:00,390 --> 02:52:03,270
The original, the walls were working really one way.

2277
02:52:03,510 --> 02:52:05,390
From the summer street to the green street.

2278
02:52:07,150 --> 02:52:10,770
And what was eventually passed was one way

2279
02:52:11,230 --> 02:52:14,710
from the 14th wall street to the 41th wall street.

2280
02:52:17,380 --> 02:52:20,080
But that was never close to the sign

2281
02:52:20,080 --> 02:52:25,000
And even though the ordinance was fair,

2282
02:52:27,010 --> 02:52:29,890
then we had to pull out a snare of three walls for me,

2283
02:52:30,910 --> 02:52:34,450
which we'll just start to get repaired during.

2284
02:52:36,930 --> 02:52:39,870
When that happened, they're both in one way,

2285
02:52:40,990 --> 02:52:43,490
from lead-stream to sub-stream,

2286
02:52:44,570 --> 02:52:49,190
in the opposite direction of both in the previous proposal.

2287
02:52:49,190 --> 02:52:49,830
Yep.

2288
02:52:52,990 --> 02:53:00,470
I have not been able to get an answer as to why they spoke from that direction instead of the ordinance direction.

2289
02:53:01,770 --> 02:53:10,450
So I'll pass by that and go to a section from 41 Treve Street.

2290
02:53:11,930 --> 02:53:15,190
Now according to the ordinance that will be in the middle of the day.

2291
02:53:16,010 --> 02:53:19,950
There's been no collapse or a disaster in that section.

2292
02:53:21,130 --> 02:53:27,630
And I noticed that people go two-way on that, in fact, people go two-way all the way for

2293
02:53:27,630 --> 02:53:27,870
science.

2294
02:53:28,270 --> 02:53:30,830
People come in that do not enter.

2295
02:53:32,760 --> 02:53:39,640
Not a lot, but enough to be concerning for those of us who try to follow the science

2296
02:53:39,640 --> 02:53:41,040
and go the way the science is.

2297
02:53:42,710 --> 02:53:44,730
So I

2298
02:53:46,780 --> 02:53:53,800
want to, since all this destruction has nothing to do with the section in 41

2299
02:53:53,800 --> 02:54:02,640
in each week, is there some way that has been figured out that that can be

2300
02:54:02,640 --> 02:54:05,900
two-way, the way the ordinance said.

2301
02:54:08,380 --> 02:54:14,160
And while we're at it, to help get people

2302
02:54:14,160 --> 02:54:18,760
will climatize to the way the ordinance still is,

2303
02:54:20,000 --> 02:54:23,100
is there some way we can make it one way

2304
02:54:23,610 --> 02:54:25,800
in the section we have to do it, right?

2305
02:54:26,460 --> 02:54:27,740
In the direction ordinance.

2306
02:54:32,980 --> 02:54:35,410
We want to take a shot at that.

2307
02:54:36,750 --> 02:54:38,950
We'll be perfectly almost with you

2308
02:54:39,670 --> 02:54:43,870
leaving the section two way and one section one way

2309
02:54:43,870 --> 02:54:49,930
regardless of the direction of the one-way section is part of what causes the confusion.

2310
02:54:51,710 --> 02:54:57,490
The current direction in this road traffic, the vehicle and the access for destruction

2311
02:54:57,490 --> 02:55:00,970
equipment is the easiest way to get them in and get them back out.

2312
02:55:02,790 --> 02:55:08,630
During destruction, it's going to be close right there at one wall street because

2313
02:55:08,630 --> 02:55:12,670
but where the road has people on off, it's not going to get off.

2314
02:55:14,270 --> 02:55:17,670
Reality of it is, it's a little old project that's complete.

2315
02:55:18,470 --> 02:55:23,230
We're not going to get to a normal fall of traffic.

2316
02:55:24,110 --> 02:55:26,670
It's unfortunate the presence of the wave at this time.

2317
02:55:29,590 --> 02:55:30,270
Thanks, Beth.

2318
02:55:33,580 --> 02:55:33,920
Thanks, Beth.

2319
02:55:33,920 --> 02:55:33,980
Sharon.

2320
02:55:35,180 --> 02:55:36,640
There's a lot here.

2321
02:55:36,880 --> 02:55:37,860
I got to pay attention here.

2322
02:55:42,940 --> 02:55:52,440
I have a question and a potential request. So do you know the status of the dumping up at the water tower?

2323
02:55:52,840 --> 02:55:54,180
Has that project been completed?

2324
02:55:57,100 --> 02:55:59,200
I'm not sure I heard that. Status of which water tower?

2325
02:56:00,560 --> 02:56:01,720
Disposal of materials.

2326
02:56:02,460 --> 02:56:05,040
All at the water tower.

2327
02:56:05,040 --> 02:56:09,760
Okay, get it from the project then, born and pregnant.

2328
02:56:10,260 --> 02:56:13,420
Right, still, right, we're not completed at the moment.

2329
02:56:14,320 --> 02:56:15,640
Probably won't be in jail.

2330
02:56:16,740 --> 02:56:17,040
I'm sorry.

2331
02:56:18,000 --> 02:56:20,300
No, that's fine. Sorry. I thought you were done speaking.

2332
02:56:21,400 --> 02:56:22,200
No, I'm done.

2333
02:56:24,620 --> 02:56:29,360
Could someone ask the company when the trucks are going up, they're fine.

2334
02:56:29,580 --> 02:56:32,480
When they're coming back down, they are flying down Herrick Street.

2335
02:56:32,480 --> 02:56:37,380
There are a lot of little animals and people walking and it can be a little dangerous.

2336
02:56:37,660 --> 02:56:41,660
I don't know that they're kind of looking when they're flying down the street.

2337
02:56:42,940 --> 02:56:45,600
So if they could slow down a little bit, it would be really appreciated.

2338
02:56:46,740 --> 02:56:47,180
Okay.

2339
02:56:47,560 --> 02:56:49,020
I will certainly talk to the contractor.

2340
02:56:49,520 --> 02:56:49,760
Absolutely.

2341
02:56:50,540 --> 02:56:51,160
Thank you.

2342
02:56:52,240 --> 02:56:52,500
Okay.

2343
02:56:53,060 --> 02:56:53,420
Thank you.

2344
02:56:55,480 --> 02:56:59,740
Anyone else, if I'd like to do some comments this evening about

2345
02:57:03,740 --> 02:57:05,000
bearing or receiving any

2346
02:57:05,000 --> 02:57:10,920
at the end of the week or at that portion of the agenda where I will ask for an adjournment.

2347
02:57:11,620 --> 02:57:12,820
I move that we adjourn.

2348
02:57:13,220 --> 02:57:14,220
You can do.

2349
02:57:14,420 --> 02:57:14,800
I'll second.

2350
02:57:14,980 --> 02:57:15,300
All right.

2351
02:57:15,740 --> 02:57:17,980
So we do have a motion and seconded.

2352
02:57:18,560 --> 02:57:19,360
Who adjourned?

2353
02:57:22,060 --> 02:57:24,020
All those in favor of that vote can say aye.

2354
02:57:24,200 --> 02:57:24,600
Aye.

2355
02:57:24,820 --> 02:57:24,940
Aye.

2356
02:57:25,400 --> 02:57:25,420
Aye.

2357
02:57:25,420 --> 02:57:25,580
Aye.

2358
02:57:25,700 --> 02:57:25,860
Aye.

2359
02:57:35,260 --> 02:57:36,700
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