1 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:52,620 Welcome to the town council regular meeting September 16, 20, 26, 7 p.m., town of Clinton, we're in the town hall, green room, that is what you please lead us in the pledge. 2 00:00:54,930 --> 00:01:08,650 Our pledge allegiance to the flag of your nice ace of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation, under God, indivisible with liberty and justice for all. 3 00:01:08,650 --> 00:01:09,350 Thanks, Dennis. 4 00:01:09,610 --> 00:01:10,170 You're welcome. 5 00:01:13,530 --> 00:01:15,310 I have number two on the agenda, Visitors, 6 00:01:15,490 --> 00:01:17,750 do we have any visitors that would like to participate? 7 00:01:19,630 --> 00:01:21,390 Carol, please, Carol. 8 00:01:23,370 --> 00:01:23,950 Yeah, please. 9 00:01:24,490 --> 00:01:26,790 And unfortunately, State your name and... 10 00:01:26,790 --> 00:01:29,230 Oh, unfortunately, it's not my name. 11 00:01:29,630 --> 00:01:31,330 Sorry to trouble you. 12 00:01:34,130 --> 00:01:35,710 All right, this is a totally different time. 13 00:01:35,730 --> 00:01:37,290 All right, Mike, in front of you. 14 00:01:37,570 --> 00:01:37,750 Yeah. 15 00:01:38,170 --> 00:01:39,150 Oh, Mike, Pete Nye. 16 00:01:40,070 --> 00:01:43,230 Yeah, I have a little thing that I say 17 00:01:43,230 --> 00:01:48,350 before public speaking, and that is that the council will not interact with you during a regular 18 00:01:49,250 --> 00:01:50,750 town council meeting. 19 00:01:51,490 --> 00:01:55,870 Well, listen, we appreciate your contribution, and we'll listen carefully if there's 20 00:01:55,870 --> 00:02:01,470 action to be taken based on what you submit the town council will put it on agenda for later 21 00:02:01,470 --> 00:02:04,770 meeting or the town manager, you can reach out to the town manager to take your something. 22 00:02:05,950 --> 00:02:06,450 With that? 23 00:02:06,570 --> 00:02:11,410 I like the good old days when there was banter back and forth, when we got things done, 24 00:02:11,410 --> 00:02:17,490 the same night that they came up. But anyway, Carol Walter, five-year-old court, and I am here 25 00:02:17,490 --> 00:02:25,130 riding on the co-tails of Doc Dates, which if you were there, it was a great day for Clinton. 26 00:02:25,550 --> 00:02:35,130 Everybody had a wonderful time and it was just a big wonderful accomplishment for all of us. 27 00:02:35,350 --> 00:02:40,990 I had two comments afterwards, outside of how much everybody loved it. One was, 28 00:02:40,990 --> 00:02:44,350 don't ever let anyone throw their dog in the water again. 29 00:02:45,470 --> 00:02:47,090 So that will be rule number one. 30 00:02:47,410 --> 00:02:50,070 And number two was people wondered where the beach was. 31 00:02:51,550 --> 00:02:56,110 And I, before this all came to be, I had talks 32 00:02:56,110 --> 00:03:02,390 with Todd Hageck and Rob dairy about the condition of the beach. 33 00:03:02,970 --> 00:03:07,430 And primarily, the fact that the condition of the beach 34 00:03:07,430 --> 00:03:09,830 being that there's no sand there anymore. 35 00:03:09,830 --> 00:03:18,330 It's probably 80% grass and 20% sand and the grass that is there is crab grass. 36 00:03:18,990 --> 00:03:21,690 The same is what grows in my yard if I don't dig it out. 37 00:03:21,970 --> 00:03:24,750 It's not some protected species of grass. 38 00:03:24,990 --> 00:03:29,150 It's just something that needs to, you know, if you had a claw down there, you could dig it out. 39 00:03:31,130 --> 00:03:39,810 So I'm here asking that maybe going forward into next year's budget you could put in 40 00:03:39,810 --> 00:03:47,550 some funds to create that beach, the way it was meant to be. I looked up the deed for that 41 00:03:47,550 --> 00:03:54,310 property and it was gifted to the town with the provision that it always remained a beach. 42 00:03:55,090 --> 00:04:00,610 And that the people from maybe would drive would always be allowed to swim at that beach. 43 00:04:01,430 --> 00:04:07,230 So I would think that, I mean there is a moral obligation to maintain it with the sandy 44 00:04:07,950 --> 00:04:11,470 surface that it had when my kids were growing up we were over there would be I mean 45 00:04:11,470 --> 00:04:16,090 they were families over there all the time playing at the beach with nobody would go 46 00:04:16,090 --> 00:04:20,610 in the water because it was awful now the water is great but you can't you can't get in 47 00:04:20,610 --> 00:04:26,170 there because I mean you won't go there because there isn't sand. I also have spoken 48 00:04:27,450 --> 00:04:32,950 with the Shapiro's at Cedar Island Marina and they say that that area is a half 49 00:04:32,950 --> 00:04:37,830 step from becoming declared a wetlands because of the condition it's in and if that were 50 00:04:37,830 --> 00:04:42,710 to happen, that would be the end of any use of that. I mean wetlands are more protected 51 00:04:42,710 --> 00:04:50,850 than anything we see around town. So I'm the problem that I had with Rob Derry and Todd 52 00:04:50,850 --> 00:04:57,230 Hitchett was nobody had money in there budget to do, to bring in the sand. This approved 53 00:04:57,230 --> 00:05:03,230 sand you have to put on a beach. So I'm hoping that, you know, somehow somewhere, 54 00:05:03,470 --> 00:05:08,770 something can be built in to scrape the craft grass out of the beach and bring some sand 55 00:05:08,770 --> 00:05:16,110 in and maintain it the way the deed asked that it be maintained. Okay. Thank you. 56 00:05:16,150 --> 00:05:19,970 I don't know. So what are you talking about is a carrot or 57 00:05:19,970 --> 00:05:20,870 Yes, we have the position. 58 00:05:21,670 --> 00:05:22,910 We'll have the time to knock. 59 00:05:24,330 --> 00:05:25,290 Any other persons? 60 00:05:26,630 --> 00:05:27,290 Yes, please. 61 00:05:27,570 --> 00:05:28,510 Please come to the table. 62 00:05:28,870 --> 00:05:29,790 State your name and address. 63 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:35,060 Good evening, my name is Dean Cougan. 64 00:05:35,840 --> 00:05:39,520 For the past ten years, I've resided at 65 waterside lane. 65 00:05:40,020 --> 00:05:46,000 I want to start out with a shout out to the Clinton Police Department for the job they did during the fireworks show. 66 00:05:46,460 --> 00:05:48,960 We're on the front row with everything that's happening down there. 67 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:53,920 65 waterside lane, and I can't imagine how that could have been done in a better and more safe. 68 00:05:55,880 --> 00:06:00,940 For the record, the following narrative used my own, and was not authored by AI. 69 00:06:02,340 --> 00:06:07,000 Thank you for this opportunity to speak with you about the January 2025, 70 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:13,160 flock licensed flight cameras activation in seven locations by the Clinton Police Department. 71 00:06:13,160 --> 00:06:18,900 I'm not here to be presumptive about the Clinton Police Department's intent nor its use of its 72 00:06:18,900 --> 00:06:19,680 flock system. 73 00:06:20,260 --> 00:06:27,700 I defer instead to Connecticut's most watched news organization, WFSB, and very investigative 74 00:06:27,700 --> 00:06:32,800 report concerning the Clinton Police Department's use of the flock system. 75 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:40,120 According to WFSB, the Clinton Police Department had shared its flock immigration-related 76 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,320 data, with other nearby states and agencies for 11 months. 77 00:06:45,380 --> 00:06:50,540 The police department acquired the flux system aware that it tracked individuals having 78 00:06:50,540 --> 00:06:52,020 immigration interest. 79 00:06:52,900 --> 00:06:57,720 The police department only suspended its flock of immigration data sharing at about the same 80 00:06:57,720 --> 00:07:03,240 time our state of Connecticut was passing legislation signed into law this past May, 81 00:07:03,240 --> 00:07:07,740 Outline continued sharing of such immigration flock data. 82 00:07:08,660 --> 00:07:16,140 When asked, FWFSP was denied access to the Clinton Police Department's raw actual data. 83 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:23,400 Thus preventing a closer look at how the Clinton Police Department had been using their flock system since it started. 84 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:29,120 I would surmise that my fellow Clinton residents would find such uncooperative behavior. 85 00:07:30,210 --> 00:07:52,490 By the Clinton Police Department to not be a model of transparency. I quote, the Fourth Amendment of our Constitution seeks to secure the privacy of life against arbitrary power and that a central aim of the framers was to place obstacles in the way of a two-permating police surveillance. 86 00:07:52,490 --> 00:08:01,650 as an individual maintains the legitimate expectation of privacy in the record of his physical movements. 87 00:08:02,670 --> 00:08:10,750 When reviewing the Clinton Police Department's flock policy and procedures section K for prohibited uses, 88 00:08:10,750 --> 00:08:16,530 It states, quote, any use that violates a person's constitutional rights is prohibited. 89 00:08:17,190 --> 00:08:22,410 As presently deployed, it's use of the flock's camera is such a violation. 90 00:08:23,670 --> 00:08:26,670 Our protected privacy is a public safety issue. 91 00:08:27,210 --> 00:08:31,410 What happens to each of us when our protected privacy rights become further diminished, 92 00:08:31,970 --> 00:08:36,230 especially with our present democracy teetering and our individual freedoms threatened, 93 00:08:36,230 --> 00:08:41,070 at the very same time of our 25th to 150th anniversary. 94 00:08:41,990 --> 00:08:47,890 Flax surveillance cameras degrade our protected privacy as the cameras are always on. 95 00:08:48,070 --> 00:08:52,790 Continuously track and store everyone's detailed travel histories today. 96 00:08:53,950 --> 00:08:57,390 Over 250 towns and cities across the nation are suspending. 97 00:08:57,970 --> 00:09:00,750 We're removing their flax surveillance cameras. 98 00:09:00,750 --> 00:09:07,430 At least three Connecticut towns have recently suspended or begun to have their flocks surveillance cameras removed. 99 00:09:08,290 --> 00:09:14,450 Two of our nation's largest bedrock law enforcement states, Florida and Texas, 100 00:09:15,070 --> 00:09:19,890 have very recently ordered a halt to their state funding, revoked permits, 101 00:09:20,490 --> 00:09:24,350 and or ordered the flock cameras removal within 30 days. 102 00:09:24,350 --> 00:09:34,590 I urge our Clinton Town Council in town manager to follow the same course of action to immediately call for independent oversight of the flock cameras in data use. 103 00:09:35,190 --> 00:09:42,190 Turning off the flock surveillance cameras, not funding the flock surveillance system when the present contract expires. 104 00:09:42,590 --> 00:09:47,310 And to order the flock surveillance cameras be removed as soon as possible. 105 00:09:49,210 --> 00:09:49,570 Thank you. 106 00:09:49,670 --> 00:09:50,050 Thank you. 107 00:09:50,050 --> 00:09:55,670 I do want to just address that. I just want to let residents and encourage residents to know that 108 00:09:55,670 --> 00:09:59,970 the police commission would be the proper form to go and bring that concern. They're the ones 109 00:09:59,970 --> 00:10:05,630 that oversee it. They meet the second Monday at 5 o'clock at the police commission at the Police Department's 110 00:10:05,630 --> 00:10:10,610 community room. Thanks. Michelle, we don't hear you very well. 111 00:10:12,450 --> 00:10:17,750 This is more, thank you very much. Any other public comment? 112 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:29,780 Supple 20 James Lane. I'll be quick. I told you guys that I'm just gonna file a lawsuit to have her removed 113 00:10:29,780 --> 00:10:35,500 We're gonna look to do it by mid October anybody who is in town and wants to sign on to it 114 00:10:35,500 --> 00:10:38,700 You can find me on Facebook and set the wall 115 00:10:42,090 --> 00:10:48,270 any other public comment here. You might set my turn on off that microphone 116 00:10:48,270 --> 00:10:50,330 Just a little pick up anything. Thank you 117 00:10:54,780 --> 00:11:00,700 I am number three on the agenda approval of minutes. So here a motion to approve the minutes for their August 118 00:11:00,700 --> 00:11:03,140 19th twenty twenty six meeting. 119 00:11:05,890 --> 00:11:06,810 Second. Second. 120 00:11:08,820 --> 00:11:11,860 Discussion? All in favor? 121 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:20,680 Aye. Opposed? abstain? Motion carries. Thank you. Next is appointments and 122 00:11:20,680 --> 00:11:27,880 reappointments. Item number four on the agenda. Amity Vs. Human Services Advisory Board 123 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,700 for Termin til June 30th, 2029. 124 00:11:31,540 --> 00:11:31,880 Is anybody here? 125 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:33,040 Yes, please. 126 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:34,120 Thank you. 127 00:11:37,900 --> 00:11:39,280 I guess we are going to use the microphone, Maria. 128 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:45,040 AMIDIVYS, I live at 13 Wildwood Park Road. 129 00:11:47,690 --> 00:11:54,050 Just looking to be appointed to the Human Services Advisory Board. 130 00:11:54,310 --> 00:11:55,190 Do you have any questions? 131 00:11:55,450 --> 00:11:57,350 Yeah, well, if you can tell us a little more about yourself, 132 00:11:57,630 --> 00:11:59,490 your interest there or your qualification. 133 00:11:59,630 --> 00:12:02,610 Yeah, I'm naturally drawn to roles where 134 00:12:02,610 --> 00:12:12,810 I can be helpful to people and I have a lot of work and volunteer experience working with the various populations that human services help support. 135 00:12:13,510 --> 00:12:26,710 I've worked as in various roles with children and I've been in domestic violence advocate, sexual assault, crisis counselor, and I've worked in a few different roles with senior citizens in the community as well. 136 00:12:26,710 --> 00:12:28,710 Any questions from the council? 137 00:12:31,390 --> 00:12:35,090 Do I hear a motion to appoint M.E.V. to the Human Services Advisory Board for 138 00:12:35,090 --> 00:12:37,050 Tournament till June 30th, 2029? 139 00:12:38,050 --> 00:12:38,890 Carry out in a second? 140 00:12:40,390 --> 00:12:41,310 Chris and Escovich? 141 00:12:41,310 --> 00:12:41,770 Yes. 142 00:12:42,230 --> 00:12:42,550 I'm sorry. 143 00:12:43,110 --> 00:12:43,270 Oh, right. 144 00:12:46,530 --> 00:12:46,930 Discussion? 145 00:12:48,510 --> 00:12:48,930 All in favor? 146 00:12:49,730 --> 00:12:49,890 Aye. 147 00:12:50,250 --> 00:12:50,570 Post? 148 00:12:51,950 --> 00:12:52,490 Stain? 149 00:12:53,150 --> 00:12:53,690 Motion carries. 150 00:12:54,670 --> 00:12:55,150 Thank you. 151 00:12:56,430 --> 00:12:57,350 Next is the appointment. 152 00:12:57,350 --> 00:12:59,610 to get sworn in. 153 00:12:59,750 --> 00:12:59,970 Oh, yeah. 154 00:13:00,350 --> 00:13:04,390 If you could go to the town clerk, it's office to be sworn in. 155 00:13:04,430 --> 00:13:04,970 Thank you. 156 00:13:05,270 --> 00:13:05,470 Not now. 157 00:13:05,550 --> 00:13:05,930 Not now. 158 00:13:06,090 --> 00:13:08,370 Yeah, they're not open to it. 159 00:13:08,630 --> 00:13:09,590 That's not open tonight. 160 00:13:09,870 --> 00:13:14,570 John Vassalo for the zoning board of appeals, 161 00:13:15,250 --> 00:13:17,470 alternate seat for a term until November 20, 27. 162 00:13:18,730 --> 00:13:19,770 He tells a little about yourself. 163 00:13:19,770 --> 00:13:21,390 You're interested in your qualifications. 164 00:13:21,390 --> 00:13:31,290 Well, I've been in the construction industry for about 45 years now, I live in town. 165 00:13:33,330 --> 00:13:39,950 I deal a lot with the different towns throughout the state, as far as permitting zoning and 166 00:13:40,830 --> 00:13:41,730 health department. 167 00:13:42,910 --> 00:13:51,390 My background is mainly in home improvements, residential construction, one point held of building 168 00:13:51,390 --> 00:13:53,290 official license. 169 00:13:53,390 --> 00:14:00,670 It's expired now, also a letter of aidment license for the state of Connecticut as a supervisor. 170 00:14:05,100 --> 00:14:06,580 I thought I could 171 00:14:09,420 --> 00:14:12,440 be a good addition to this process. 172 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:13,300 Thank you. 173 00:14:13,640 --> 00:14:14,360 Anybody on the council? 174 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:14,920 Any questions? 175 00:14:33,140 --> 00:14:38,640 Do I hear a motion for John Vassalo to be appointed to the Zoning Board of Appeals, alternate 176 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:40,920 seat for Termin till November, 2027. 177 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:44,960 Ryan Rock, Piori, 2nd. 178 00:14:45,340 --> 00:14:46,040 Chris Pesanti. 179 00:14:46,620 --> 00:14:47,040 Discussion. 180 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:48,680 All in favor. 181 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:50,640 Opposed. 182 00:14:51,440 --> 00:14:51,860 Of stain. 183 00:14:52,620 --> 00:14:53,260 Motion carries. 184 00:14:53,840 --> 00:14:54,260 Thank you, John. 185 00:14:54,780 --> 00:14:56,720 Again, go to the town clerk to be sworn in. 186 00:14:57,880 --> 00:14:58,280 Thank you. 187 00:14:58,540 --> 00:14:58,880 Thank you. 188 00:14:59,320 --> 00:14:59,700 Thank you. 189 00:15:01,070 --> 00:15:27,550 Next, the appointments is Park and Rec Commission, and we have four candidates for one vacant seat, and we have a process that's a little different for us this time, and that we, with four candidates under Connecticut State Law, the candidates have the option to be interviewed in public or an executive session, and we have one candidate that's opted to be an interviewed in public, and we'll do that, and then later in the meeting, we'll have executive session, and we'll conduct the interviews with the other candidates at that time. 190 00:15:27,550 --> 00:15:32,130 So, Patrick Shae, if you come up, please. 191 00:15:37,270 --> 00:15:37,470 Yeah. 192 00:15:37,530 --> 00:15:37,850 Yeah, we passed it. 193 00:15:39,630 --> 00:15:43,050 So, we have, hey, Patrick, welcome. 194 00:15:44,010 --> 00:15:44,110 Hello. 195 00:15:45,170 --> 00:15:45,330 Hello. 196 00:15:45,330 --> 00:15:48,770 Oh, the Board of Park and Recreation Commission. 197 00:15:49,610 --> 00:15:50,470 And we have four candidates. 198 00:15:51,150 --> 00:15:55,170 And we have extended questions that we ask or questions that we've often asked. 199 00:15:55,730 --> 00:15:57,630 And we're going to ask the same questions of all candidates. 200 00:15:58,170 --> 00:16:03,930 And so we can, I guess I could say I'm on behalf of the Council. 201 00:16:03,990 --> 00:16:06,470 These are questions from the Council, but I'll say them all out. 202 00:16:07,010 --> 00:16:09,790 The first question is, what interests you in serving on this Board of Commission? 203 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:16,940 What interests you in serving on this Board, our Commission, this Park of Reck? 204 00:16:18,020 --> 00:16:18,280 Sure. 205 00:16:18,980 --> 00:16:24,820 What initially interested in me was the quality of the facilities, 206 00:16:26,940 --> 00:16:28,320 and as I grew interested 207 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:34,160 the town and grew to watch town council meetings. I started to get to know council members 208 00:16:35,480 --> 00:16:40,560 and the town and how it works and operates and that's specific commission. 209 00:16:44,060 --> 00:16:49,680 Surprisingly, when ARPA funds existed, there was a lot that could have been done. 210 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:54,700 And I know Chris is the liaison to the Parks and Rec Commission and I've listened to 211 00:16:55,800 --> 00:17:01,900 I listen to this council at the end of the day and I see what you need from various 212 00:17:01,900 --> 00:17:08,440 boards and commissions and I'm a sports lover. I grew up playing sports. I grew up 213 00:17:08,440 --> 00:17:14,520 watching sports and I don't love the way youth sports is going in terms of 214 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:23,420 private equity and the expensive side of things and to me sports should be fun. 215 00:17:23,420 --> 00:17:32,240 and the kids should have fun and it should be affordable and I think that all starts with the Parks and Rec Commission. 216 00:17:34,110 --> 00:17:38,370 Do you have any prior experience serving on a broader commission? Any broader commission? 217 00:17:38,790 --> 00:17:47,490 No, I love this is the beginning for me. I want to get involved and I want to help serve my town. 218 00:17:49,510 --> 00:17:52,870 Are you able to commit to the regular meeting schedule in any additional responsibilities? 219 00:17:52,870 --> 00:18:01,070 Yes. I believe so at their Tuesday nights, right, or that might conflict with the, I don't 220 00:18:01,070 --> 00:18:08,530 know, the EDC that I'm going for, I don't, I don't, the timing, I don't, so maybe not. 221 00:18:09,430 --> 00:18:14,970 And how do you see the board, a park and wreck contributing to the overall well-being of the town? 222 00:18:15,910 --> 00:18:28,010 I think, when I look at kids these days and screens, I think it's incredibly important to be outside and playing, 223 00:18:28,270 --> 00:18:38,870 and I have a one year old myself, and he loves to play, and that's what separates kids from screens, not to say screens are evil, 224 00:18:38,870 --> 00:18:43,450 but like, playing and competition and that sort of, 225 00:18:43,450 --> 00:18:45,370 that's something I want to be a part of facilitating. 226 00:18:45,790 --> 00:18:47,590 And my background is in communications, 227 00:18:47,590 --> 00:18:52,270 and I think whether that's something that the board needs, 228 00:18:53,570 --> 00:18:59,510 it's something I'm good at, is outreach and getting people 229 00:18:59,510 --> 00:19:03,410 to join in and spread the word and participate. 230 00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:10,390 Thank you, so those are the questions for Park and REC. 231 00:19:11,090 --> 00:19:17,190 Can I quickly get confirmation, though, on the conflict, because I don't, from the timing 232 00:19:17,190 --> 00:19:21,690 of the meetings, if it's, I know the EDCs, the second Tuesday of every month. 233 00:19:22,010 --> 00:19:22,910 When's Park and REC? 234 00:19:24,190 --> 00:19:24,750 That first? 235 00:19:25,370 --> 00:19:26,690 Okay, so it's achievable. 236 00:19:29,190 --> 00:19:33,370 All right, so as I said, the Park and REC, we have three other candidates that are going 237 00:19:33,370 --> 00:19:39,650 an executive session later, and you're also a candidate for the one-bacon seat on economic 238 00:19:39,650 --> 00:19:40,550 development commission. 239 00:19:41,010 --> 00:19:43,290 And again, you've opted to have open session interview. 240 00:19:44,170 --> 00:19:47,950 There's another candidate for that one, and that person is also up to the executive session. 241 00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:50,350 So while you're here, why don't we do that one too? 242 00:19:50,670 --> 00:19:51,950 And the questions are the same. 243 00:19:52,250 --> 00:19:56,730 So if the town council feels this is the proper way to flow this, we'll ask you the questions 244 00:19:56,730 --> 00:19:59,130 again now for economic development commission. 245 00:19:59,130 --> 00:20:03,210 So what did you choose you to serve on the economic development mission? 246 00:20:06,180 --> 00:20:14,420 Ironically, it all started a little bit with my property taxes and understanding how 247 00:20:14,420 --> 00:20:22,060 the town works and getting to know various town council members and trying to understand 248 00:20:24,460 --> 00:20:32,480 procedure and I guess the optics of everything and over time I started to review the 249 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:40,860 POCD from early 2000s and then I read the one in 2015 and the again in 2025 and 250 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:48,180 I after a lot of the goals as it as it pertains to economic development carry 251 00:20:48,180 --> 00:20:56,260 across all three POCDs, but for the first time ever, we have an incredible town planter and 252 00:20:56,960 --> 00:21:03,280 the real capacity to move it forward. 253 00:21:06,180 --> 00:21:11,100 And there's sometimes there's, I feel like there's various gaps between communication 254 00:21:11,100 --> 00:21:19,100 between different boards and commissions and I think I could be a great asset to that communication 255 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:28,240 crossover. I got very interested when it came to the EDC a lot of it was about and I've gone 256 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:38,200 to the meetings as a member of the community since May and I think when I looked at what they were 257 00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:43,300 doing and business outreach and getting business inventory and I would watch the town council meetings 258 00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:50,540 and I would see this request going back to, even before our last town manager, this inventory 259 00:21:50,540 --> 00:21:58,200 has been requested. And although I'm not on the commission, I've made strides to just put 260 00:21:58,200 --> 00:21:58,980 it together. 261 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:05,140 And that took me to another level where I started thinking about, well, if we want 262 00:22:05,140 --> 00:22:09,280 more businesses downtown and we want more walkability and this is the goal. This is what the 263 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:17,480 people want. It's very much clear that the POCD let the people speak and this is what they 264 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:24,760 are asking for and everyone signed off on it. So if that's the goal, I realize, well, if we want more 265 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:29,580 business is downtown, how are we going to, how can we do that unless we 266 00:22:29,580 --> 00:22:29,920 Enders. 267 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:40,360 Standing, planning, and zoning, and what's possible. We can't do it if we don't know what's possible. We can't have a real fluid conversation if we don't know what's possible. 268 00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:52,900 So that's where I decided, and it took a lot of work to create sort of a prototype that allowed for the means of understanding what's possible. 269 00:22:52,900 --> 00:23:00,920 And I had it presented through the EDC to council and whether that's ultimately adopted or not. 270 00:23:01,620 --> 00:23:11,500 That's in the hands, I guess, of the town manager and the town and really the town planner too. 271 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,140 But whether it is adopted or not, that's fine. 272 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:18,340 I just want to participate and I think I could be a great asset to the EDC. 273 00:23:18,340 --> 00:23:21,980 I've grown to meet and learn from some of them 274 00:23:21,980 --> 00:23:25,220 and understand like the group and the people. 275 00:23:25,740 --> 00:23:27,500 I also understand I'm there's alternate. 276 00:23:28,260 --> 00:23:30,320 So if any alternates want to step up 277 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:35,140 and have the voting power, I would gladly give them that opportunity 278 00:23:35,140 --> 00:23:37,040 over me and I would be an alternate. 279 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,020 And yeah, that's all I. 280 00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:41,840 Next question, we already know the answer to. 281 00:23:41,940 --> 00:23:43,040 Do you have any prior experience 282 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,380 serving on boards and commissions you answered it? 283 00:23:45,540 --> 00:23:46,200 No, right? 284 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:50,420 The item number three, are you able to commit to the regular meeting schedule? 285 00:23:50,540 --> 00:23:52,700 I think we just determined that, the answer is yes. 286 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:57,600 And number four, how do you see this board commission contributing to the overall well-being 287 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:58,200 of the town? 288 00:23:58,540 --> 00:24:01,900 You partially answered that in the first part, but if you have anything to add. 289 00:24:02,660 --> 00:24:09,900 I think that economic development means different things to a lot of different people and 290 00:24:09,900 --> 00:24:15,620 in some ways that people think that means we're looking for big box stores as for some 291 00:24:15,620 --> 00:24:18,580 people, it means we just want economic vitality downtown. 292 00:24:19,040 --> 00:24:21,640 Well, we don't know in any buildings, so we can't dictate. 293 00:24:22,100 --> 00:24:23,120 There's that side of it too. 294 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:29,000 We can't tell storefronts to update their properties and all that. 295 00:24:29,420 --> 00:24:37,020 But we can do things like leverage the Andrews Memorial Theatre and see if there's ways to 296 00:24:37,020 --> 00:24:44,020 bring in, not be the key, but you know, bring in sort of, utilize that facility in such a way 297 00:24:44,020 --> 00:24:52,300 that it was meant to be utilized, and there's ways to understand what business owners need 298 00:24:52,300 --> 00:24:54,980 downtown in order to be fruitful and successful. 299 00:24:56,380 --> 00:25:04,640 There's ways to connect our social presence and our communication system with the businesses 300 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,060 and give them, where's the live music tonight? 301 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:16,300 Nobody can answer that question, and it shouldn't be on one business to promote only their 302 00:25:16,300 --> 00:25:16,860 live music. 303 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:23,600 I think there's ways to get creative leverage, I leverage resources, and really connect with 304 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:24,480 our business downtown. 305 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:28,580 And the EDC is going back to even John Allen. 306 00:25:28,660 --> 00:25:33,720 I've watched some of these videos, and where the EDC's have some flows, I know you hang 307 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:40,880 on it for a while. And I think, especially with a coordinator now, I think that it's a really 308 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:46,420 poised committee to put forward some of these actions within the POCD. 309 00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:51,760 Thank you. That's the four questions. Just one of their items to know for the Council. I think 310 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,560 everybody on the Council received a letter from the Chair of the Economic Development Commission 311 00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:01,220 recommending Patrick Shave for the position. That's all our questions. Thanks, Patrick. 312 00:26:07,430 --> 00:26:08,830 back to the agenda. 313 00:26:12,830 --> 00:26:19,570 So, the other candidates will be interviewed in executive session when we get to that item number. 314 00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:25,930 So, and we're on to item number five, what of education non-lapsing account? 315 00:26:34,270 --> 00:26:35,670 To use this, sir. 316 00:26:36,090 --> 00:26:40,730 If you hold it just for like two seconds or three seconds, it goes on. 317 00:26:41,810 --> 00:26:43,850 So, you want me to use it? There we go, sir. 318 00:26:43,850 --> 00:26:51,970 Okay. Good evening. Thank you for allowing me to be here tonight at the August 17th Board of Education 319 00:26:51,970 --> 00:27:00,150 meeting as we close out the here. The Board made a motion to authorize me to come and make a request 320 00:27:00,150 --> 00:27:09,570 transfer 250,000 to a maximum of the total unexpended amount from the 2526 Board of 321 00:27:09,570 --> 00:27:15,090 operating budget into the existing board of it non-lapsing account established by the town. 322 00:27:16,470 --> 00:27:18,910 The board talked a lot about this. 323 00:27:19,170 --> 00:27:26,510 It does appear as we're closing out our funds that we have approximately $500,000 of unexpected 324 00:27:26,510 --> 00:27:27,170 funds. 325 00:27:27,650 --> 00:27:28,930 And there was a lot of discussion. 326 00:27:29,450 --> 00:27:36,710 The request was put that way out of respect for the town and the need for the council to 327 00:27:36,710 --> 00:27:43,570 determinations as to best how to allocate that money. As you know, I was here in June. We had an 328 00:27:43,570 --> 00:27:50,770 unexpected capital project of the Joel Voila replacement, which was granted from the non-lapsing 329 00:27:50,770 --> 00:28:00,230 fund, which brought our fund balanced down to 321,679. So the board is asking for a minimum of 330 00:28:00,230 --> 00:28:08,210 50 to bring that back to a reasonable amount that would protect us, hopefully against an unexpected 331 00:28:08,210 --> 00:28:15,530 capital expenditure or that fluctuation in special ed costs, which is the other policy reason 332 00:28:15,530 --> 00:28:21,450 for using the non-lapsing. So they worded that motion for the town council's consideration 333 00:28:21,450 --> 00:28:27,650 and out of respect for the fact that you have many other needs and can make that determination 334 00:28:27,650 --> 00:28:32,370 of the amount. Any questions? Any council members? 335 00:28:32,370 --> 00:28:35,490 I just want to make clear if you had a $500 surplus? 336 00:28:35,970 --> 00:28:39,810 $500,000. I believe it's an honor that $506. 337 00:28:39,910 --> 00:28:43,810 Okay, roughly. And you're requesting to take care of and put it in the 338 00:28:43,810 --> 00:28:46,010 Lapsing file. Yes. Okay. Thank you. 339 00:28:46,210 --> 00:28:49,430 So I have a question related to the same, but I think it's the 340 00:28:49,430 --> 00:28:52,470 Bob. So there's a second motion here to transfer the final that 341 00:28:52,470 --> 00:28:55,170 would be the residual. So if it's $500,000 and we're doing 342 00:28:55,170 --> 00:29:01,730 250 to the non-lapsing fund, that means the rest, the other 250 would go to the roads 343 00:29:01,730 --> 00:29:04,630 and sidewalks fund, 66, how much it goes there? 344 00:29:05,250 --> 00:29:10,650 Yes, it would be nice, you know, there would be any available funds in the budget. 345 00:29:11,310 --> 00:29:18,410 This was approved, there would be another 250 available that we would get permission to transfer 346 00:29:18,410 --> 00:29:20,030 that 250 to the roads fund. 347 00:29:20,870 --> 00:29:25,250 So, under your agenda item number five, there's two motions. 348 00:29:25,910 --> 00:29:31,770 One would be for the request of a minimum transfer of $250,000 to the maximum of the total 349 00:29:31,770 --> 00:29:37,910 unexpected amount for the 2025-26 Board of Education operating budget into the existing Board 350 00:29:37,910 --> 00:29:40,890 of Education on Lapsing Account established by the town. 351 00:29:41,330 --> 00:29:45,370 So the residual from last year, $250,000 into an non-lapsing fund. 352 00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:47,410 Do I have a motion for that? 353 00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:48,050 So moved. 354 00:29:48,350 --> 00:29:48,650 Second. 355 00:29:48,650 --> 00:29:50,610 This question? 356 00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:52,370 All in favor? 357 00:29:53,070 --> 00:29:53,270 Aye. 358 00:29:53,550 --> 00:29:54,090 Opposed? 359 00:29:54,850 --> 00:29:55,710 Motion carries. 360 00:29:56,230 --> 00:29:56,530 And obviously. 361 00:29:57,510 --> 00:29:59,970 And now there's another motion to transfer from the... 362 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:05,820 Final B-O-E-2025-26, you're available funds to the road in sidewalk fund, fund 66. 363 00:30:08,900 --> 00:30:16,000 So, the excess funds that we didn't just put in the non-lapsing fund, whatever is left, that fund that we created for... 364 00:30:18,020 --> 00:30:20,800 You're trying to say we're going to put it directly into that fund? 365 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:26,560 Yes. I believe it has to go through the general fund first, possibly, because it's money coming from the Board of Education. 366 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,880 All right, it's got to go through probably the general fund before we distribute it out. 367 00:30:31,100 --> 00:30:32,300 Is that right, Bob? 368 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:38,360 General fund is comprised of all the departments, including the education department. 369 00:30:40,020 --> 00:30:43,820 You should be able to create a line item in the point of being budget, 370 00:30:44,500 --> 00:30:45,860 or transfer out to other funds. 371 00:30:46,660 --> 00:30:50,720 On that tonight, when I'm saying is originally, the motion shouldn't be made to go to roads, 372 00:30:50,940 --> 00:30:52,660 and the motion should be made to go general fund. 373 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:57,060 And then if we want to put it into that extra place, whatever we want to land it, we can land it. 374 00:30:57,380 --> 00:31:00,600 But with their motion should not be to put it into a road, we shouldn't take their money, 375 00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,820 and put it into anything other than general fund. 376 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:04,900 That's a proper way to do it. 377 00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:06,220 Are both those tonight? 378 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:08,380 So let's do that. 379 00:31:08,780 --> 00:31:09,620 We have a motion. 380 00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:15,040 So do we have a motion to transfer from the final board of education, 381 00:31:15,300 --> 00:31:19,900 2025, 2025, 26 year-end available funds to the general fund. 382 00:31:20,180 --> 00:31:20,780 So moved. 383 00:31:21,340 --> 00:31:21,560 Second. 384 00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:26,460 Second discussion. All in favor. Aye. 385 00:31:29,190 --> 00:31:29,890 Motion carries. 386 00:31:34,700 --> 00:31:36,660 So then in another meeting, we would do the other transfer. 387 00:31:37,820 --> 00:31:38,320 Okay. 388 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,380 So that's it for item number five. We're on item number six on the agenda landfill capping update. 389 00:31:46,060 --> 00:31:48,340 This is an update only. No, no actions. 390 00:31:52,780 --> 00:31:57,560 So just to bring everybody up to speed on where we are with the landfill, the planning and zoning 391 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,980 commission held a continued public hearing on Monday night of this week, and we'll be holding 392 00:32:01,980 --> 00:32:07,740 a special meeting on Monday September 28th, potentially to close the public hearing and potentially 393 00:32:07,740 --> 00:32:09,840 act on the landfill application. 394 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:16,300 So it's the anticipated potential conditional approval could happen on Monday. 395 00:32:16,300 --> 00:32:19,140 It seems so far that most members are favorable. 396 00:32:19,300 --> 00:32:20,960 Again, they will vote that will be their decision, 397 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:24,080 but I have been asked to start drafting a motion to that effect. 398 00:32:25,100 --> 00:32:29,060 In that motion, one of the things that would potentially be considered 399 00:32:29,060 --> 00:32:31,280 would be the question of third party review, 400 00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:33,460 which we've already discussed with the town council, 401 00:32:33,980 --> 00:32:37,120 we have received two additional quotes and we're in the process right now. 402 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:38,440 We received the last one today. 403 00:32:39,180 --> 00:32:41,060 They range from, I believe, 404 00:32:41,260 --> 00:32:44,960 $86, $68,000, $247,000. 405 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:51,080 So, the task right now is to make sure that we are comparing apples to apples in terms of the hours because there is such a wide span. 406 00:32:51,180 --> 00:32:57,000 We want to make sure that we're comparing apples to apples as that final decision of third party review gets made. 407 00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:00,380 But we do have those quotes and we did, we did go back and get that. 408 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,060 So we'll keep you posted on what the best potential solution is for that. 409 00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:11,220 The commission could potentially just add a condition into a potential approval to say that third party review will be required. 410 00:33:11,220 --> 00:33:15,560 and the decision on that form would be deferred to Michelle and his group. 411 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,340 So that's under review right now. 412 00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:22,540 The other piece that is also under review is one of their course request that L'Auro has made 413 00:33:22,540 --> 00:33:27,360 of the Planning and Zoning Commission is to consider permitting the stoppiling of material 414 00:33:27,360 --> 00:33:33,360 according to their material acceptability protocol and the permissions that deep has already granted 415 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:40,740 to enable up to 50,000 cubic yards of material to be brought on to the site before the individual closure permit. 416 00:33:40,740 --> 00:33:43,420 the final actual large permit is issued from deep. 417 00:33:43,960 --> 00:33:46,320 So that's something that is, it's under review, 418 00:33:46,860 --> 00:33:49,120 Loura has submitted a separate correspondence 419 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,680 to the town, essentially asking for that permission 420 00:33:55,420 --> 00:33:58,440 and identifying their assumption of liability. 421 00:33:58,740 --> 00:34:00,920 So if there's any problem with those individual closure pieces, 422 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:02,320 they would remove that material. 423 00:34:02,740 --> 00:34:04,360 And for some reason, there was a problem in the future, 424 00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,800 which no one anticipates happening, 425 00:34:06,100 --> 00:34:08,720 but they would certainly take that on. 426 00:34:08,720 --> 00:34:14,680 That proposal is under review by the town's consulting environmental attorney. 427 00:34:15,060 --> 00:34:19,200 So I don't have an update from that attorney that memo just came in this Monday afternoon. 428 00:34:19,820 --> 00:34:21,460 So it's all recent developments. 429 00:34:22,940 --> 00:34:28,460 All of them moving the project forward, but I just wanted to let you know that there's a potential decision on the horizon. 430 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,920 And additional attorney review, the third part of you stuff is in. 431 00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:35,340 And we'll just keep you posted as we go. 432 00:34:36,300 --> 00:34:37,180 Any questions? 433 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:39,920 So do you need to get another permit from deep to bring additional? 434 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:40,800 Correct. 435 00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,380 So the permit that's been done by deep there's this. 436 00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,060 Stormwater construction permits for the sediment and erosion controls is in place. 437 00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,560 And the other piece that they've done is they've approved the material 438 00:34:48,560 --> 00:34:50,460 Acceptability Protocol which says, 439 00:34:50,460 --> 00:34:56,560 We agree with the standards of testing that you have identified for the material and the thresholds of 440 00:34:56,560 --> 00:34:59,820 What chemical or what components might be in that fill when it comes on to site. 441 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:01,600 So that part is approved. 442 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:05,600 And as part of that, deep issued an authorization to say, 443 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:09,400 we understand that you're proposing around 132,000 cubic yards of material 444 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:12,080 to be graded in place in specific locations. 445 00:35:12,660 --> 00:35:15,420 According to your grading plan, we're still reviewing that part. 446 00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:18,500 That's that closure permit, that final ability to place the material 447 00:35:18,500 --> 00:35:19,920 where they want to place it. 448 00:35:20,540 --> 00:35:22,360 The given permission for is to say, 449 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,240 while we're in that review period, 450 00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,900 you could bring on up to 50,000 cubic yards of material. 451 00:35:28,300 --> 00:35:30,620 That work hasn't started because they haven't gone through 452 00:35:30,620 --> 00:35:33,320 a full local permitting process yet, so they don't have P&Z approval. 453 00:35:33,620 --> 00:35:35,140 They do not have wetlands approval, but not P&Z. 454 00:35:35,820 --> 00:35:39,080 So what there are request is would be for P&Z to essentially 455 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:41,300 make a finding that it would be acceptable, 456 00:35:41,620 --> 00:35:45,300 subject to town attorney review of their proposal for liability 457 00:35:45,300 --> 00:35:49,320 purposes to say, look, we'll let you bring that material on. 458 00:35:49,580 --> 00:35:52,400 We all anticipate this is coming in terms of a final closure 459 00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:53,460 and grading permit. 460 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:56,720 But until that time comes, the town is a one-of-except material 461 00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:58,040 that we don't have a final permit for. 462 00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:01,820 So, the question for the attorney is, are we okay in an interim space? 463 00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,140 So, we just notify Deep that it's been approved by the town and then Deep's fine. 464 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:06,560 Like, they don't have to do another review. 465 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:12,780 Deep is in the process of reviewing the actual individual closure, like the grading plan and their order of operations, 466 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:14,880 where and how they're going to track material on site. 467 00:36:14,980 --> 00:36:16,640 They're doing their final review of this. 468 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,600 Deep has been in this process with them for, as you know, multiple years. 469 00:36:20,100 --> 00:36:24,860 And so, Pearl or Arrow, they believe that they will be receiving approval within the next several weeks 470 00:36:24,860 --> 00:36:29,680 for this individual closure permit so that it's not far off, but the planning and zoning 471 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:33,500 commission is likely to be asked to vote before that permit is in hand. And so I think 472 00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:38,120 Laura is trying to say, listen, if that permit from deep is delayed to four weeks, six weeks, 473 00:36:38,260 --> 00:36:42,860 but we know it's coming would the town be okay with material coming on to site, not to exceed 474 00:36:42,860 --> 00:36:47,000 the 50,000 that deep is already permitted, but would we be okay with that? And so that's a question 475 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,360 being asked to be planning and zoning commission. 476 00:36:48,420 --> 00:36:53,040 So there's no oversight by deep on that process, so that the field that's coming in prior 477 00:36:53,040 --> 00:36:54,700 to any of the final approvals. 478 00:36:55,060 --> 00:36:56,560 So deep's fine with that. 479 00:36:56,700 --> 00:36:59,000 Deep is fine with that 50,000 cubic yards. 480 00:36:59,820 --> 00:37:00,020 OK. 481 00:37:01,580 --> 00:37:01,860 All right. 482 00:37:02,860 --> 00:37:03,680 Any other questions? 483 00:37:04,900 --> 00:37:05,440 Thanks, Abby. 484 00:37:07,420 --> 00:37:09,320 She can stay there because she's going to talk about the ship. 485 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:09,960 OK. 486 00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:10,620 Thanks. 487 00:37:11,260 --> 00:37:13,700 So we have item 789. 488 00:37:13,700 --> 00:37:16,340 I think, well, those 789 would be used. 489 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:17,340 789, Abby. 490 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,100 OK. 491 00:37:18,500 --> 00:37:20,680 So tell us more about the, well, you've told us already 492 00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:22,320 about the ship grant application. 493 00:37:23,100 --> 00:37:29,980 Yep, so this is just a request to formalize authorizing Michelle to apply them to half of the town for the $400,000 ship grant. 494 00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:39,480 And for the drudging project at the town Marina Basin with the town's $600,000 match and funds that already exist, and we've given you a line number here. 495 00:37:40,100 --> 00:37:45,880 And essentially, the $400,000 would go to cover two things in the way that we're wrapped in this grant. 496 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:55,800 One is biological testing of the sediment material that's in the basin today to make sure that we understand what the disposal path will be for it, whether that is open water disposal or land-based disposal. 497 00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,060 So there's some additional testing that the Army Corps will require for that, which is 498 00:37:59,060 --> 00:38:04,100 an eligible covered cost in this grant, which is lovely because we didn't anticipate 499 00:38:04,100 --> 00:38:05,360 that we would have to do that extra testing. 500 00:38:05,620 --> 00:38:09,300 So this is a great opportunity that the ship grant is coming forward when it is, and the 501 00:38:09,300 --> 00:38:12,880 rest of it would go to the direct cost of directing the mechanical removal of the sentiment. 502 00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:15,280 Any questions? 503 00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,760 Do I hear a motion to authorize the Town Manager to apply for the Kinetic Report Authority 504 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:23,740 for Small Harbor Improvement's Project program, 505 00:38:24,380 --> 00:38:25,800 around six grant to support 506 00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:29,100 pledging of the townwren in the amount of $400,000. 507 00:38:29,660 --> 00:38:32,380 An authorized use of $600,000 committed in line, 508 00:38:34,620 --> 00:38:35,820 604165-59865, 509 00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:41,080 pledging to fund the town's matching portion of the project. 510 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,900 So, a motion by Kerry, second by, 511 00:38:45,940 --> 00:38:46,880 do I hear a second? 512 00:38:47,140 --> 00:38:47,460 Thank you. 513 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:48,180 Thanks. 514 00:38:48,540 --> 00:38:48,900 Discussion? 515 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:50,760 All in favor? 516 00:38:51,420 --> 00:38:51,640 Hi. 517 00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,480 Opposed, abstain, motion carries. 518 00:38:56,740 --> 00:38:57,500 Thank you. 519 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,120 I'd admit, protect grant application. 520 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:11,100 So this is an opportunity that is one of those grants that comes out, and we have a very, very short time to consider responding to it and determine whether or not the town is going to put in a potential application. 521 00:39:11,100 --> 00:39:24,160 So the protect the grant is a funding stream through the U.S. Department of Transportation and the Federal Highway Administration called promoting resilient operations for transformative efficient and cost saving transportation projects. 522 00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:38,580 So surface transportation roads and trying to look at the resiliency and a sort of long-term provision of service of those roads relative to things like flooding, excessive rainfall, all of those things that could potentially interrupt. 523 00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:46,060 What we've done is we went through our foreshore coastal resiliency plan, the plan of conservation and development and a hazard mitigation plan. 524 00:39:46,780 --> 00:39:51,980 Michelle Todd, Mike Neff and I sat down and said, okay, what potential projects might we have that could be a match for this? 525 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,240 And we should at least have the conversation of whether or not we'd like to apply for funds. 526 00:39:57,340 --> 00:40:01,680 So when we went through the most potentially competitive project, 527 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:06,900 would be to assess the condition and vulnerability of 528 00:40:06,900 --> 00:40:10,100 caus way, sure road, and hammock roads, 529 00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:13,700 so looking at that coastal stretch from a perspective 530 00:40:13,700 --> 00:40:18,720 of neighborhood access, viability of evacuation routes, 531 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:22,720 making sure that we understand sort of what the modeling 532 00:40:22,720 --> 00:40:25,380 and threats to those facilities are in greater detail, 533 00:40:25,500 --> 00:40:28,380 and talk about pre-planning, pre-engineering, 534 00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,460 and cost benefit analysis for potential 535 00:40:31,460 --> 00:40:36,560 future construction projects. So I want to make it clear this is a planning grant. It is a 100% 536 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:42,180 reimbursable grant that we would be going for. To go through activities like the existing 537 00:40:42,180 --> 00:40:46,160 conditions assessment, climate modeling and vulnerability analysis that takes us beyond what the 538 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:50,940 four shore plan did, 3D visualization models to help people understand where the flooding might be 539 00:40:50,940 --> 00:40:55,620 and how it may affect into the future, engineering feasibility, conceptual designs, 540 00:40:55,620 --> 00:41:01,020 It's been environmental review, preliminary cost estimates, cost benefit analysis, stakeholder engagement 541 00:41:01,020 --> 00:41:01,880 and final reporting. 542 00:41:02,420 --> 00:41:07,960 And the goal here is to move some of the projects out of this adopted forest floor plan and 543 00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:13,460 hazard mitigation and POCD to shuttle ready because we talk about this a lot where we need 544 00:41:13,460 --> 00:41:15,260 to be able to find ways to advance projects. 545 00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:21,080 This is not committing the town to any one particular fix, we're not saying we're elevating 546 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:25,600 caused way by 10 feet. That is not what this is for. This is to say, what are the most reasonable 547 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:30,460 cost-effective methods that in now and into the future looking at the next 50 years of anticipated 548 00:41:30,460 --> 00:41:37,200 impacts might we want to plan for fund look for construction dollars and prioritize our projects 549 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:43,060 going forward? We are not currently eligible for the actual construction funds anyway because we don't 550 00:41:43,060 --> 00:41:47,340 have these pieces in place and also we need some regional planning around this as well. But this would 551 00:41:47,340 --> 00:41:53,760 position us for this future funding from other protect money or other grant sources that may 552 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:54,400 become available. 553 00:41:55,180 --> 00:41:59,560 So the ask would be up to $600,000 for that sort of scope of work again. 554 00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:03,880 It's a pretty decent stretch of our coastline to sort of say how does this function and what 555 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:09,120 can we do to whether it's through, you know, nature-based solutions, drainage improvements, 556 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,180 limited road-raising, those kinds of things would be the types of things we would be analyzing. 557 00:42:14,060 --> 00:42:15,160 So, it's an opportunity. 558 00:42:15,860 --> 00:42:19,900 We wanted to run it by you and see whether or not there are questions, concerns, if there's 559 00:42:19,900 --> 00:42:25,060 interest, it's due October 9th, so it's a really fast turnaround, which is why you're 560 00:42:25,060 --> 00:42:28,180 being asked to think about something the same night we're bringing it up for the first 561 00:42:28,180 --> 00:42:28,480 time. 562 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,200 And a lot of times these grants just they move that quickly, and so we just didn't want to miss 563 00:42:32,200 --> 00:42:33,260 an opportunity if you were a medical. 564 00:42:33,820 --> 00:42:39,320 So, you said it was 100% reimbursable, so we would have to put the money up front. 565 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,560 We would put the money out and get the money reimbursed. 566 00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,680 And how quickly is that reimbursement happen, maybe? 567 00:42:44,820 --> 00:42:47,460 So for federal dollars coming back in, 568 00:42:47,540 --> 00:42:50,680 I mean, the ones that the state federal partnership programs have been very quick. 569 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:52,720 I don't have familiarity. 570 00:42:53,060 --> 00:42:55,240 I've not done a protect grant before, so I'm not sure how. 571 00:42:55,240 --> 00:42:57,820 You know, if we're talking weeks or a month or what that looks like. 572 00:43:00,060 --> 00:43:01,440 Any other questions from the council? 573 00:43:02,300 --> 00:43:04,620 I mean, to look into something like that, where would we be coming up with the money? 574 00:43:07,330 --> 00:43:08,630 You mean, other than from this grant? 575 00:43:08,890 --> 00:43:10,970 Well, I mean, you have to put the money out in order to get the grant. 576 00:43:11,130 --> 00:43:12,830 So I mean, we're coming up with 400,000. 577 00:43:14,070 --> 00:43:16,490 $600,000, and that's the biggest question. 578 00:43:18,800 --> 00:43:20,740 Pents on the amount of the grant. 579 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,260 Are we talking about a million dollars, two million dollars, 580 00:43:24,380 --> 00:43:27,100 are we talking about 10 million dollars, up to 600, I guess? 581 00:43:27,560 --> 00:43:30,120 Yeah, so the preliminary budget that I started putting together, 582 00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:32,960 and I'm working with the town engineer, if we were going to go forward, 583 00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:36,680 is around 585, but there could be other costs associated with that. 584 00:43:36,980 --> 00:43:41,060 These aren't inexpensive things to do, and we could certainly scale back a scope, 585 00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,000 but we wanted it if we were going to put something out 586 00:43:43,740 --> 00:43:48,440 So the question is, our budget is fixed until June 30th, 2027, 587 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:54,120 if we were going to get this money, would it happen before then or could we 588 00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:56,960 then go put it in our budget and our next we would do. 589 00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:03,960 So $500,000 grant, it would be funded by borrowing from fund bounce. 590 00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:06,920 When grant comes in, it goes right back into fund bounce. 591 00:44:07,260 --> 00:44:10,200 So we're not using fund bounce, we're borrowing from fund bounce. 592 00:44:10,200 --> 00:44:18,840 $500,000 would be so interesting if so when you have the receivable if you are awarded the grant from the federal government and you have a contractual obligation from them to pay us 593 00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:22,550 Then would you count that money in your fund balance so you wouldn't fall below the 20 percent? 594 00:44:23,260 --> 00:44:31,200 No, no, because the fund balance isn't actually decreased. It's the catch that's being used and yeah, you're just barring it 595 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:37,900 You wouldn't put a question with that following that designated or undesignated 596 00:44:37,900 --> 00:44:46,300 It doesn't need to be designated outside of unassigned fund values in order to be eligible to for our shovel ready project if awarded 597 00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:54,140 I mean shovel ready project means shovel ready we're ready to go with that money with the money is authorized it's assigned not unassigned fund values 598 00:44:54,140 --> 00:44:59,960 So I've trained understand how we wouldn't count it against the 20% or you know wherever we're gonna get 599 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:11,860 But it's just, it's an accounting entry. We use it every day. It's basically due to due from its borrowing from a grant fund, borrowing from the general fund. 600 00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:17,440 Fund balance itself in the accounting entry is not reduced. It's just borrowing. 601 00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:22,600 So fund balance is not debited or credit. 602 00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:26,580 But in order to apply for the grant, you don't need authorization or 603 00:45:26,580 --> 00:45:29,260 us appropriating the money in order to apply for it. 604 00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:31,280 That's how much it's awarded. 605 00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:33,900 Right, but we have to come back to you to accept it anyway. 606 00:45:34,740 --> 00:45:37,020 So we are going to, we don't know if we're even going to get it. 607 00:45:37,180 --> 00:45:40,620 So to approve us to release go for it, then it has to come back to you 608 00:45:40,620 --> 00:45:41,440 if we get approved. 609 00:45:41,900 --> 00:45:45,660 And then the conversation can be, is it, are we comfortable doing it the way that 610 00:45:45,660 --> 00:45:47,000 Bob's explaining to do it? 611 00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,800 The problem is that if we don't do it this way, 612 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:55,260 We're never going to be applying for grants because we're always going to need to put something out. 613 00:45:55,420 --> 00:46:06,180 And we don't have a fund established where every year you're putting a set amount of money away to build it up that we can use on a rotation to apply for opportunities like that. 614 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:17,920 Well, that's this this question. Then if we do get the grant if it's awarded to us and then we find ourselves in a pickle that we're not going to get reimbursed for two years and we have to come up 500,000 and we decide we don't want to do that. 615 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:19,420 can we reject the grant? 616 00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,040 After it's been awarded to us. 617 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,920 You can not have to accept it, though. 618 00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:27,160 I mean, right, you have to have the conversation 619 00:46:27,800 --> 00:46:30,920 about once it's, once, if we get approved for it, 620 00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:32,880 then it comes back and we have a conversation 621 00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,040 and Bob identifies a plan for this as a pool of money 622 00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:41,260 that we could use that is not going to be used for a few years 623 00:46:41,260 --> 00:46:45,340 or if we can sit there and we can re-reverse it. 624 00:46:45,780 --> 00:46:46,280 Here's a question. 625 00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:54,140 What percentage are we above in on a sign fun balance 21% and that 1% what does that give us to our 626 00:46:54,140 --> 00:46:55,420 Get them, obviously our policy 627 00:46:56,060 --> 00:47:03,160 So if we're there in that piece that ultimately we could reallocate that and assign that towards this grant that amount 628 00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:05,880 I don't know what's in the 20 dollars is that one percent 629 00:47:08,500 --> 00:47:13,380 Million oh is it that much we should probably have exactly numbers if we're going to I mean yeah, yeah, but 630 00:47:13,380 --> 00:47:16,600 Welcome, we can authorize base on that because we're not going below the 20th. 631 00:47:16,600 --> 00:47:23,380 I submitted it showing at 1.260 on a signed 14221, 21% but I mean, there's no, you know. 632 00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:28,580 I mean, I think, I mean, at some point we got to realize we in a position to go for these grants. 633 00:47:28,660 --> 00:47:30,340 I understand it if we don't get them, we'll never get them. 634 00:47:30,340 --> 00:47:32,380 I'm all about it because the money's there. 635 00:47:32,540 --> 00:47:37,280 But I mean, we also have to be in a strong position financially as a town to make sure that the money's there. 636 00:47:37,460 --> 00:47:41,200 So, let's just say we take money out of the undescendated fund balance, okay? 637 00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:44,500 And then, I don't know, something happens in town, right? 638 00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:47,900 Whether something happens in the town has to pay for that. 639 00:47:48,020 --> 00:47:50,560 Then we're dead because we're going well under 20% 640 00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:51,760 because we have to pay for that up front 641 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,120 before we get refunded from FEMA. 642 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,020 So I mean, I understand the concept of doing this 643 00:47:57,020 --> 00:47:58,560 and getting this, but the fact is, 644 00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,760 is you still have to be in a financial position 645 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:03,660 in order to make sure that if something else 646 00:48:03,660 --> 00:48:06,380 does happen in town that we're still covering ourselves. 647 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:08,820 And the closer we get to that 20 threshold, 648 00:48:08,820 --> 00:48:12,140 And we have a policy, I mean, what do we do? 649 00:48:12,940 --> 00:48:18,160 And the other thing to think about is, 650 00:48:18,300 --> 00:48:22,160 this is a large grant that we have to put money out 651 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:23,360 for 100% reimbursement. 652 00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,820 Are there better grants or grants 653 00:48:26,820 --> 00:48:31,840 that are more worthwhile for this town 654 00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,440 to meet a greater need than that? 655 00:48:34,860 --> 00:48:37,480 And I'm not trying to put down what you said, 656 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:44,180 from what you described to me, sounds like a nice to have rather than some of the other stuff 657 00:48:44,180 --> 00:48:49,320 that I've heard come down the pike. So just something else to think about. 658 00:48:49,500 --> 00:48:53,380 Another way we could look at it is that is a tremendous part of our grandma's set area. 659 00:48:55,740 --> 00:48:59,000 It's a very important part of the state to our town. 660 00:49:00,660 --> 00:49:08,960 They pay a lot of our taxes and we need to probably work on sustainability in that area 661 00:49:09,020 --> 00:49:16,860 water rise. We don't want to lose that. We have to think about it. We got a grant with 662 00:49:16,860 --> 00:49:21,140 old Sabrook and Westbrook and spent a year and a half working on how it is that we're 663 00:49:21,140 --> 00:49:27,520 going to save ourselves from the water and then we don't try. That doesn't look good. It's 664 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:33,940 fully reimbursable. I don't think nobody's arguing. The biggest piece to me, you know, 665 00:49:33,940 --> 00:49:39,460 And we do a ton of federal grant work is, once you apply, and if you get it, if you ever 666 00:49:39,460 --> 00:49:41,380 give it back, that's bad for a grant. 667 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:42,120 That's bad for a grant. 668 00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,020 That's good for that too. 669 00:49:43,300 --> 00:49:46,060 So my point is, and it comes right back to money, right? 670 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:51,620 If we don't have the match or our cost to put up front, assigned and saying, hey, we're comfortable 671 00:49:51,620 --> 00:49:55,720 with this in an existing funding, then I agree. 672 00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:59,780 This is the first time we've ever heard about this grant, is this the right grant, right? 673 00:49:59,780 --> 00:50:02,020 Or is maybe we should look at grants as a whole? 674 00:50:02,220 --> 00:50:03,260 What are we setting aside? 675 00:50:03,260 --> 00:50:08,100 Because there's a ton of grants out there, but which grants are the ones that were most interested in. 676 00:50:08,180 --> 00:50:11,760 And I think, you know, having a limited time to look at this, 677 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:15,100 it'd be tough to make a decision to commit funding behind those things. 678 00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,640 I'm just, that's me, but we just don't have a lot of time. 679 00:50:19,000 --> 00:50:19,560 So I guess. 680 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:21,160 Well, that's always a good one. 681 00:50:21,300 --> 00:50:21,460 Go ahead. 682 00:50:21,460 --> 00:50:21,640 I don't know. 683 00:50:21,740 --> 00:50:23,120 Go ahead. 684 00:50:24,260 --> 00:50:25,720 I mean, that's not a good one. 685 00:50:26,060 --> 00:50:26,440 I always have problems. 686 00:50:26,540 --> 00:50:29,600 Or always given these things at the deadlines. 687 00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,360 We don't get a chance to think about it. 688 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,660 So when do you have to send the invite? 689 00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:40,380 So October 9th, that goes by our next meeting 690 00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:43,640 because I was going to suggest at least we table it 691 00:50:43,640 --> 00:50:46,040 to the next meeting and we think about it. 692 00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:48,100 We can't talk about it for a week or two 693 00:50:48,100 --> 00:50:50,620 and then come back, but we don't have that time. 694 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,520 We're always, I don't know why we're always on the gun. 695 00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:54,720 Well, when do we get the weekend, the weekend? 696 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:56,240 That's been a single time. 697 00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,180 Last week, it came in the email. 698 00:50:58,400 --> 00:50:58,960 We got to understand. 699 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,040 No, I mean, it's not that we're not looking at it. 700 00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:16,060 And it just seems he seems drop out of the sky and we have to make a decision like Mike says right now, you don't know all the facts, you know, you're not prepared with your mind mentally to. 701 00:51:16,260 --> 00:51:16,760 But okay. 702 00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:17,560 No, it's a lot. 703 00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:24,040 I do not like coming before this body without plenty of time to give you a chance to think about it at one meeting and ask again at the next. 704 00:51:24,100 --> 00:51:28,380 But we didn't want the opportunity to pass by without you having the chance to talk about it. 705 00:51:28,380 --> 00:51:33,580 The question I would have is, if there is a more limited scope, or if there is a budget 706 00:51:33,580 --> 00:51:39,460 number in your minds, that would be more palatable that we build a scope around, or is 707 00:51:39,460 --> 00:51:41,900 this just too much of an ask without the financial. 708 00:51:42,260 --> 00:51:46,320 So that's another dimension that you said, it doesn't have to be 600,000, it can be 100,000. 709 00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:50,520 Yeah, that's sort of the saying, look, this is what's in the plans, this whole sort of stretch 710 00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:51,020 of road. 711 00:51:51,060 --> 00:51:55,020 But do we talk about, you know, the load, you know, sort of saying we're going to limit this 712 00:51:55,020 --> 00:51:58,360 to either the low points of shore or we're going to limit this to cause way or some 713 00:51:58,360 --> 00:52:03,440 thing, a smaller scope, and take out, you know, two thirds of the ask, that's one element. 714 00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:08,220 I'm not sure how competitive it would be, but it is an opportunity to think about, but again, 715 00:52:08,420 --> 00:52:11,720 I understand we're asking, we're asking this on the fly, and that's the tough place to put 716 00:52:11,720 --> 00:52:12,200 people. 717 00:52:12,760 --> 00:52:17,200 Or do you think that this is, or do you, if sorry, or do you think that, to Chris's point, that 718 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:21,400 this is not an area that you want, again, we get opportunities for grants. 719 00:52:22,180 --> 00:52:26,280 When we get them, we, we, we huddle, we could try to brainstorm and see what we can do. 720 00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,980 This is a quick turnaround and it's a lot. 721 00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:39,960 To ask because we also need a consultants to give us ballpark figures on prices. So it's not just us turning it around. We have to wait for our outside help. 722 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:55,020 With that being said, is this an area that the council feels we should be doing? We should be putting some grant money towards or to Chris's point should we not and just be focusing on something else? 723 00:52:55,020 --> 00:53:02,000 I don't know. I would say that we should be pursuing grants and bringing them to the table for us to discuss just like we are now. 724 00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:10,000 Okay. The only issue is, the time compressed, the time, the time table. And that's just by the nature of this particular grant. 725 00:53:11,640 --> 00:53:19,140 I think this is in line with the town council's strategic objectives that we talked about. It's in line with the P.O.C.D., it's in line with the foreshore plan. 726 00:53:19,140 --> 00:53:24,460 My question was going to be, do you believe that going in at that level makes us the most 727 00:53:24,460 --> 00:53:25,940 competitive going into this group? 728 00:53:26,780 --> 00:53:31,340 I think we will be competing against regional projects that have perhaps higher priorities 729 00:53:31,340 --> 00:53:32,180 for planning dollars. 730 00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:35,980 So I think we are probably in the mid range of competition from the conversations that I've 731 00:53:35,980 --> 00:53:41,140 had with our consulting for the PSUD who deals with these grants routinely. 732 00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:47,960 I have not heard of any other immediately like very hyperlocal regional stuff, so I'm not aware 733 00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:52,140 other town going for similar projects right now or any of the towns that we've been 734 00:53:52,140 --> 00:53:55,040 participating with and other planning efforts I don't believe 735 00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:59,020 cog is at this point submitting anything in particular so for our sort of 736 00:53:59,020 --> 00:54:03,080 micro region and the lower Connecticut rally I think that would make us a little bit more 737 00:54:03,080 --> 00:54:08,000 competitive but you know but again it's I think that I think it's a hundred thousand 738 00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:11,560 dollars to ten million dollars just sort of the range of planning grant money that 739 00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:16,120 where they allocate so we're on the lower end of the things that they allocate 740 00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:22,820 But these are also, you know, there's millions and millions of dollars at stake here, and a lot of those projects will take up millions and millions of dollars. 741 00:54:22,940 --> 00:54:33,960 That's how we're asking for. We're on the smaller side anyway. So, you know, if we were to cut it in half or two thirds, they may make it easier to fund because it is smaller, but the reach will not be as far. 742 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:36,900 So, it's just an annual grant. 743 00:54:37,580 --> 00:54:42,860 It comes right. I don't know if it comes around every single year, but it has, it has been, I don't know if it came out last year. 744 00:54:42,860 --> 00:54:44,940 I think it was the year before, but I will. 745 00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:47,440 So if it's an annual grant and we target October 746 00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,960 or it's target data release next year for 26 or 27 money, 747 00:54:51,460 --> 00:54:53,280 it might be a good idea to take that. 748 00:54:53,300 --> 00:54:55,080 Whatever we planned on planning on, 749 00:54:55,180 --> 00:54:58,120 look at the full content of what the grants for 750 00:54:58,120 --> 00:54:59,540 and then need to bridge those gaps 751 00:54:59,540 --> 00:55:02,360 or talk about what gaps it's gonna bridge for us as a town. 752 00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:04,280 I mean, and then that way, it gives us time 753 00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:06,360 in the planning side to make sure that it's in the budget 754 00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:09,020 or the money's there based on what you see as a need. 755 00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,040 That sounds good. 756 00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:15,260 We're saying we need you for all grants and sort of have a sort of a rolling list. 757 00:55:15,560 --> 00:55:19,920 Chris, I mean that's exactly that's a plan in place that we have going forward. 758 00:55:20,020 --> 00:55:21,200 We have something in place. 759 00:55:21,460 --> 00:55:24,520 I mean anybody's denying that this is an area that needs to be worked on. 760 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,160 I think we all anybody who lives here understands where we have these issues. 761 00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:29,440 And we need to do something to help these issues. 762 00:55:29,700 --> 00:55:35,460 The issue is that we're making a decision without any rhyme or reason to wear the money's coming from. 763 00:55:35,720 --> 00:55:37,180 Like we're that's all we have it in here. 764 00:55:37,240 --> 00:55:38,900 We have it at Stairville Bar from here from Bar from there. 765 00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:41,300 For me personally, I want to know exactly where it's coming from 766 00:55:41,300 --> 00:55:42,840 and where the money is coming from to covered. 767 00:55:43,140 --> 00:55:45,200 We have a budget in place right now that we've passed. 768 00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,460 And so now it's just like, well, if we go to here and we borrow from here, 769 00:55:48,560 --> 00:55:52,340 we take from there, you know, that's not my kind of thing to agree with. 770 00:55:52,520 --> 00:55:56,200 That's not, I think, physically responsible in order to do those types of things. 771 00:55:56,340 --> 00:55:58,520 I think it needs to be something that there's a plan in place. 772 00:55:58,660 --> 00:56:02,020 And I think this is a, I mean, if it's an annual project that we have these things in place. 773 00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:03,300 I mean, we're sitting at a meeting. 774 00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:04,640 We're talking about it, is it a great idea? 775 00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:07,160 But we're not talking about everything else. 776 00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,800 there's still $4 to $600,000 that the town needs to come up with. 777 00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,700 And if we're going to keep tapping that on designated fund balance without knowing exactly 778 00:56:14,700 --> 00:56:18,760 how much is available to us, and something does happen in this town, well then we're 779 00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:19,340 in a big problem. 780 00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:23,320 We go under 20% then we have issues with the auditors because they're going to come back and 781 00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,140 they're going to lower our bond grading because that's what Dave agreed to, that's what 782 00:56:26,140 --> 00:56:26,780 we've agreed to. 783 00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:27,760 So it's a bigger picture. 784 00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,720 I mean, I understand the grants, we talk about it a lot, they're available, and they 785 00:56:31,720 --> 00:56:32,260 always are available. 786 00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:37,140 I mean, it's just a matter of, do they come at the right time for us to be able to 787 00:56:37,140 --> 00:56:39,960 So it's not always the opportune time. 788 00:56:40,260 --> 00:56:40,300 Thanks. 789 00:56:41,800 --> 00:56:46,540 At the 21% and our designated fund balance right now, we do have a bad amount of money 790 00:56:46,540 --> 00:56:50,580 to be able to still stay above 20% which is a goal that we set for ourselves. 791 00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:51,600 Not bad. 792 00:56:51,720 --> 00:56:52,580 The bond rate. 793 00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:53,720 That would stay. 794 00:56:53,720 --> 00:56:56,160 But that's the reason why we set that because they come. 795 00:56:56,240 --> 00:56:57,460 They came to us and they said. 796 00:56:57,580 --> 00:57:00,080 I started a stronger bond rating if we went to 12. 797 00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,880 If I have the floor, can I say this? 798 00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:12,700 We set that goal for ourselves, because if something happens, then we have that extra 5% to pay for that catastrophic storm that happens because we were afraid 799 00:57:13,340 --> 00:57:19,060 With the current uncertainty in the federal government that it would take a long time to get reimbursed for FEMA if we ever got FEMA resistance 800 00:57:19,060 --> 00:57:22,600 We would still have that there in the 20% 801 00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,800 Thank you anybody else have any other 802 00:57:27,220 --> 00:57:27,700 Comments 803 00:57:28,340 --> 00:57:35,580 I have one comment that as Brian mentioned, we've asked specifically through the POCD and now 804 00:57:35,580 --> 00:57:39,540 through our goals in our mission statement and our vision statement to pursue grants and 805 00:57:39,540 --> 00:57:41,540 you guys are doing that, and that's what we ask you to do. 806 00:57:41,940 --> 00:57:45,720 And that's now as before us to decide whether or not we want to take it or not, that's a 807 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:46,120 different issue. 808 00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:46,940 You guys did your job. 809 00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:48,600 Thank you for doing what you did. 810 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:54,720 So with that, if there's no other further comments on this, I'll ask, is there a motion 811 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:58,760 To authorize the Town Manager to apply for a U.S. Department of Transportation slash federal 812 00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:03,780 highway administration, promoting resilience operations for transformative, efficient, and 813 00:58:03,780 --> 00:58:08,680 cost-saving transportation, reimbursement planning grant in the amount of $600,000 for 814 00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:24,700 planning, vulnerability, assets, and the pre-design activities to increase resiliency for the 815 00:58:25,340 --> 00:58:31,580 I would just make one comment, if you're going to do it, I would have hoped that you would 816 00:58:31,580 --> 00:58:36,440 have reduced it down to about maybe 200,000 or maybe even 100,000. 817 00:58:36,620 --> 00:58:44,680 I agree with Carrie, we have to get started to show good faith with other towns that were involved 818 00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:49,860 with, but I can't see going on the whole 600, that's just my two cents. 819 00:58:49,860 --> 00:58:59,530 So, the motion is for this 600,000, and I guess we should have had sort of whatever you do. 820 00:59:00,310 --> 00:59:02,490 What got a motion on the floor, Mr. Chairman? 821 00:59:03,970 --> 00:59:04,630 Yes, Mike. 822 00:59:05,290 --> 00:59:11,690 I would ask to potentially amend the motion to also include the funding mechanism of where it's going to be funded within the budget. 823 00:59:12,510 --> 00:59:16,850 And the same thing, considering this is our first year and we first found out about it now. 824 00:59:16,850 --> 00:59:21,830 And we won't have another meeting for us to really do some research and ask some more questions. 825 00:59:22,990 --> 00:59:27,630 I would be a little bit more conservative about off, you know, putting out the whole amount, 826 00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:32,190 and then also to ask that the amount and where it's going to come from within the existing budget. 827 00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:37,650 So we have a motion to amend the motion to a dollar amount different than 600,000. 828 00:59:37,910 --> 00:59:38,910 What dollar amount are you saying? 829 00:59:39,850 --> 00:59:44,030 No, my recommendation is to amend to amend it. 830 00:59:44,030 --> 00:59:44,970 I didn't make the motion. 831 00:59:44,970 --> 00:59:51,770 I'm recommending to amend the discussion for me is that this is the first year that we're applying for 832 00:59:51,770 --> 00:59:56,810 or looking to apply for or seeking it, which is great. We're asking grants, grants, grants, grants. 833 00:59:57,130 --> 00:59:59,970 But I think it needs to be identified in the budget where the money is going to be out. 834 01:00:10,500 --> 01:00:19,640 So let me see if I got you now. You said you want to amend the motion. 835 01:00:19,720 --> 01:00:21,580 I'm making a recommendation to amend the motion. 836 01:00:21,860 --> 01:00:28,700 And that would say to designate where the money is coming from during the period of time that we're not reimbursed yet. 837 01:00:28,860 --> 01:00:29,160 Correct. 838 01:00:29,160 --> 01:00:33,660 which we've already allocated that money that we've now taken that money off the table or 839 01:00:33,660 --> 01:00:37,640 saying, hey, we're going to take whatever money we agree to tonight, put it aside, knowing 840 01:00:37,640 --> 01:00:40,760 that that's what you're going to apply for because you're going to need that in the application, 841 01:00:41,340 --> 01:00:45,280 knowing on the scope of the work and the plan and what things you're going to look for in the 842 01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:50,540 grant. Instead of you doing 600,000, you're going to do whatever money we would recommend or we 843 01:00:50,540 --> 01:00:57,340 approve to do that, because that's going to be the scope of your project. So you may, so you would like 844 01:00:57,340 --> 01:01:01,880 To amend the motion to designate where the money is coming is going to come from during the 845 01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,520 period of time that we're not reenversed yet. 846 01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:07,260 And I think it's been stated, but maybe we can ask the finance director, that it's going 847 01:01:07,260 --> 01:01:10,640 to come from the end of the fund balance, or is there some other place that money could come 848 01:01:11,140 --> 01:01:11,500 from? 849 01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:16,600 I mean, Bob is, I mean, Bob would as your opinion, I mean, even though some people don't 850 01:01:16,600 --> 01:01:18,660 agree with it, you're the finance director, what are you? 851 01:01:19,380 --> 01:01:21,940 Yeah, funds are identified in the budget process. 852 01:01:21,940 --> 01:01:24,920 This is a grant fund. 853 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:29,760 When you're authorized of grant and the grants approved, 854 01:01:29,980 --> 01:01:31,320 I go to the grant fund. 855 01:01:31,380 --> 01:01:33,540 I have a revenue line item called grants. 856 01:01:33,840 --> 01:01:35,300 And I put in this made a revenue. 857 01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:40,180 I have an exponential line item called whatever grant project is 858 01:01:40,180 --> 01:01:41,100 and I have a budget. 859 01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:45,860 So now we have a balanced budget in the grant fund. 860 01:01:47,540 --> 01:01:49,140 We can start spending that grant 861 01:01:49,140 --> 01:01:55,100 in anticipation of that federal grant coming in one month, two month, three months, and 862 01:01:55,100 --> 01:01:56,640 how are we spending it? 863 01:01:57,020 --> 01:02:05,380 We're using the $15 million we have in the bank in investments, and it's just borrowing from 864 01:02:05,380 --> 01:02:06,180 the general funding. 865 01:02:06,340 --> 01:02:09,640 It doesn't reduce fund-outs on the accounting books. 866 01:02:09,700 --> 01:02:11,320 Fund-outs is not reduced. 867 01:02:11,800 --> 01:02:13,940 You're replacing cash with a receivable. 868 01:02:14,300 --> 01:02:18,900 So in other words, in the general fund, you're going to have do-funk grants 100,000 because 869 01:02:18,900 --> 01:02:25,140 grants to spend $100,000. One month later, you'll get $100,000 from the feds and goes back 870 01:02:25,140 --> 01:02:28,940 into the general fund cash account. So if I could say back to you what you just said, I think. 871 01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:34,660 So our balance is 21%. If we start to spend, and that 21% in an undisited fund balance 872 01:02:34,660 --> 01:02:38,960 is a combination of things. There's some cash, there's some bonds, there's different things. 873 01:02:39,020 --> 01:02:44,940 One of them will be a receivable pledge from this grant. So if he spends the $600,000 in cash, 874 01:02:44,940 --> 01:02:48,880 But he also has a receivable line in the books of $600,000. 875 01:02:49,340 --> 01:02:51,180 The fund balance stays at 21%. 876 01:02:51,180 --> 01:02:52,000 It will not go down. 877 01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:52,640 Is that what you said? 878 01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:57,320 I would never do this for $2,000,000, $3,500,000,000. 879 01:02:57,360 --> 01:02:58,760 $1,000 is $1,000. 880 01:02:58,760 --> 01:02:59,140 But fine. 881 01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:00,620 By that method of accounting. 882 01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,340 So that risk is not real. 883 01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:09,060 One of the things we didn't know is how long it takes to get a federal grant, 884 01:03:10,140 --> 01:03:10,980 That's a good question. 885 01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,540 So the conversion from the receivable to cash, 886 01:03:13,540 --> 01:03:18,540 Because the cash is going to be gone, you'll still have the receivable. How long is short the cash? 887 01:03:18,860 --> 01:03:20,740 Do you have an idea how long that reimbursement takes? 888 01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:22,880 No, we'll have to find out about it. 889 01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:29,020 I mean, you know, the state takes two and three, four weeks the feds could take the month. 890 01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:33,500 But I'd ask the question, who cares on your balance sheet whether it's a receivable from the federal government or cash? 891 01:03:33,500 --> 01:03:34,300 It's like a bond. 892 01:03:34,500 --> 01:03:35,200 It's a short time. 893 01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:36,660 It's a marketable security. 894 01:03:37,260 --> 01:03:39,540 You could actually factor it or sell it. 895 01:03:41,460 --> 01:03:46,600 If you, if you fund it, then it will come off your own designated fund balance before we get, I mean, 896 01:03:46,980 --> 01:03:52,820 so some point is going to come down because you have to, when you apply for the grant, you're committing that money. 897 01:03:53,340 --> 01:03:57,200 So if they approve the grant, correct? So they have to put the money out. 898 01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,740 So it's, there's going to be a period of time where it's reduced. 899 01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:03,840 Well, we give the money for the grant, and when we get the money back, cash. 900 01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:06,300 You can, you can call it whatever you'd like. 901 01:04:06,300 --> 01:04:10,520 signed versus unassigned, that's the question, right? 902 01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,820 And when it's assigned to a grant, tied up, 903 01:04:13,820 --> 01:04:16,440 tied up, meaning it's assigned to tie a get it, 904 01:04:16,520 --> 01:04:18,140 sitting in the account, not such in it, 905 01:04:18,180 --> 01:04:20,740 and when we get the money, but the point is it's assigned. 906 01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:22,420 I think that's the question I'm asking. 907 01:04:22,860 --> 01:04:23,320 I see a sign. 908 01:04:23,980 --> 01:04:24,780 So you're not interested in it? 909 01:04:24,860 --> 01:04:27,080 So when you assign something in fun balance, 910 01:04:27,220 --> 01:04:28,940 means you're going to actually use it. 911 01:04:29,140 --> 01:04:31,980 Whenever going to use, it's always going to stay at 21%, 912 01:04:32,700 --> 01:04:33,100 1%. 913 01:04:33,100 --> 01:04:40,100 So if there's a three-year delay, and we have to pay for the cash, yeah, but you're 21% doesn't go down because you ever see 914 01:04:40,100 --> 01:04:42,600 Well, it's like if you went and what's stock with seats? 915 01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:48,140 So if we made a decision of the balance in the 21% what what's the dollars at that 20% 916 01:04:49,180 --> 01:04:51,300 $50 million or something like that 917 01:04:51,300 --> 01:04:54,060 So we could say I'm gonna buy some IBM stock 918 01:04:54,060 --> 01:04:56,600 I'm gonna buy some treasury bonds at pay five percent 919 01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,140 There's a host of 920 01:04:58,140 --> 01:05:02,800 Assets that are in that understanding of fundals one of them will be this pledge and so it's 921 01:05:03,100 --> 01:05:06,940 But it is an asset that counts in the 21%. 922 01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:09,300 So you've won that under accounting rules 923 01:05:09,300 --> 01:05:10,680 with a water's commited city. 924 01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:12,920 You have 21% answers, yes. 925 01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:18,180 Are we only voting, giving her the right to apply? 926 01:05:19,180 --> 01:05:20,560 We're not voting. 927 01:05:20,940 --> 01:05:23,480 Except that you're accepting that, and giving the money. 928 01:05:23,980 --> 01:05:26,560 But one ties to the other, because it's accepting. 929 01:05:26,900 --> 01:05:27,480 And that's the problem. 930 01:05:28,340 --> 01:05:31,340 If we got, we were awarded the grant, right? 931 01:05:31,340 --> 01:05:35,720 And if we don't accept it, what are the ramifications for not accepting the federal grant? 932 01:05:36,060 --> 01:05:37,040 It will be real hard to go back. 933 01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:37,700 It's yep. 934 01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:39,960 So, we don't want to do that. 935 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:40,800 What is that actually? 936 01:05:40,840 --> 01:05:41,340 To the other. 937 01:05:42,060 --> 01:05:42,420 Okay. 938 01:05:42,620 --> 01:05:43,460 Good point dropped. 939 01:05:44,340 --> 01:05:44,560 All right. 940 01:05:44,800 --> 01:05:45,840 So there's discussion. 941 01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:46,740 Any more discussion? 942 01:05:46,980 --> 01:05:47,180 Yeah. 943 01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:48,040 I want to ask Mike. 944 01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:50,680 Well, you have to do it. 945 01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,260 We have to make the most. 946 01:05:52,260 --> 01:05:52,800 How mean? 947 01:05:53,380 --> 01:05:53,420 Okay. 948 01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:56,500 So we have a motion to amend. 949 01:05:57,500 --> 01:05:57,780 No. 950 01:05:57,920 --> 01:05:58,580 I mean in discussion. 951 01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,540 I made a recommendation to amend. 952 01:06:00,540 --> 01:06:06,320 But it's who made them all grind it right. It's either a friendly amendment or it's not a friendly amendment. Okay 953 01:06:06,320 --> 01:06:11,460 So can I ask about the amendment? Did you also mention that you wanted to and think about 954 01:06:11,460 --> 01:06:15,200 Spending less than $10 a month reduced the dollar amount. So we 955 01:06:15,660 --> 01:06:20,540 Is that would that be a real thing Abby to reduce the dollar amount and have anything left? 956 01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:24,540 We could we could build a scope around if you were if you wanted to go for the granted a lower amount 957 01:06:24,540 --> 01:06:30,340 We would build the scope and do as much as we could for that amount and it will involve making decisions about which roads are 958 01:06:30,340 --> 01:06:35,340 included and how much modeling or, you know, how far we can get in that pre-planning process. 959 01:06:36,420 --> 01:06:38,180 That's, we would just modify the scope. 960 01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:39,220 Okay. 961 01:06:39,220 --> 01:06:40,280 Let me ask you another question. 962 01:06:40,620 --> 01:06:43,500 How did Mike Neff feel about this? 963 01:06:43,980 --> 01:06:44,660 He was supportive. 964 01:06:45,420 --> 01:06:47,020 That's our emergency manager. 965 01:06:50,160 --> 01:06:54,680 So now, so it's still before the council is the question of whether we're going to amend 966 01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:58,060 the motion that we've described for two things, the dollar amount. 967 01:06:58,620 --> 01:07:01,820 And to designate where the money's going to come from, but I think we've just said, it's 968 01:07:01,820 --> 01:07:03,560 to come from the Undisputed Fundance. 969 01:07:06,190 --> 01:07:09,410 Does anybody want to recommend a dollar amount to change it, too? 970 01:07:09,850 --> 01:07:12,090 Or are we going to leave the motion with $600,000? 971 01:07:13,050 --> 01:07:14,810 You'd have to do it, carry it made the motion. 972 01:07:15,010 --> 01:07:15,470 I seconded it. 973 01:07:15,630 --> 01:07:16,050 I don't know. 974 01:07:16,050 --> 01:07:17,230 I'm saying Mike would have to. 975 01:07:17,230 --> 01:07:19,390 If he wants to put a number in there. 976 01:07:19,710 --> 01:07:21,710 Because it would have to put in a number. 977 01:07:21,890 --> 01:07:22,810 It's on the floor at 600. 978 01:07:24,870 --> 01:07:27,570 I mean, I'd feel better if we split it in half for this year. 979 01:07:27,750 --> 01:07:29,710 If that's manageable by you. 980 01:07:29,710 --> 01:07:29,970 if you think. 981 01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:38,280 I think that that, you know, because it's our year one, we've limited information tonight to respond to it, 300,000. 982 01:07:39,100 --> 01:07:40,260 I feel better at 200. 983 01:07:41,380 --> 01:07:42,220 Oh, let's not. 984 01:07:43,020 --> 01:07:43,860 We need to read the book. 985 01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:45,980 We can send your group down for one, third. 986 01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:47,480 I'm telling anybody else to present it. 987 01:07:47,480 --> 01:07:48,880 If you rely on you, I can read it. 988 01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:49,760 I feel better at too much. 989 01:07:49,940 --> 01:07:51,720 The work is for consulting. 990 01:07:52,380 --> 01:07:53,620 This is your lane, so. 991 01:07:53,700 --> 01:07:58,200 I mean, the things that I would probably take out, so I had $25,000 in for 3D flood 992 01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:04,280 So there's there's that off the top we could cut some stakeholder engagement and do more of that in house. 993 01:08:04,620 --> 01:08:10,200 So that you know if we don't do a story map and we said we were going to bring this thing back down from 30,000 to 15,000. 994 01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,400 The engineering feasibility and conceptual design. 995 01:08:14,640 --> 01:08:20,480 I have a 175 we could potentially knock 50 off of that and just don't go as far, right? 996 01:08:20,740 --> 01:08:22,160 Don't don't go as in depth. 997 01:08:22,940 --> 01:08:33,360 So there are places we could probably cut and simply just don't model to, you know, we may not get every rainfall analysis we want, we may only pick one flood scenario instead of multiples, right? 998 01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:36,040 Those are the kinds of things we would start to pull back. 999 01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:47,540 And again, these cost numbers are sort of coming from a best guess right now, they're out with the town engineer for sort of round-truthing and making sure that they make sense with similar projects and those kinds of things. 1000 01:08:47,780 --> 01:08:51,100 I wish I had his answers for you tonight, it's just the turnaround was so fast. 1001 01:08:53,440 --> 01:08:56,060 Okay, so I have a parliamentary process question. 1002 01:08:56,260 --> 01:09:00,140 Now, so I have a motion for the 600,000 as it was read originally. 1003 01:09:00,620 --> 01:09:05,180 And then I have a proposal to a recommendation of an amended motion. 1004 01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:09,680 So I could, we can continue with the first motion and then see if it passes 1005 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,880 and then go with the amended motion, or do we just want it? 1006 01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:17,300 Did you actually do an amended motion before you do the- 1007 01:09:17,300 --> 01:09:17,680 Absolutely. 1008 01:09:18,040 --> 01:09:18,200 Okay. 1009 01:09:18,740 --> 01:09:19,220 You have to act. 1010 01:09:20,080 --> 01:09:22,280 You have to do the amended motion first. 1011 01:09:22,700 --> 01:09:22,920 Okay. 1012 01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:23,980 You'd have to have a second. 1013 01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:25,760 So do you have a second on the amendment? 1014 01:09:26,680 --> 01:09:27,380 What is the amendment? 1015 01:09:28,560 --> 01:09:29,880 So I'll read it now. 1016 01:09:29,980 --> 01:09:31,540 Do you have an amount for us? 1017 01:09:31,900 --> 01:09:32,500 We'll do 300. 1018 01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:33,480 Yep, okay. 1019 01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,700 So this would be the amended motion. 1020 01:09:36,300 --> 01:09:38,360 To authorize the town manager to apply for a Connecticut 1021 01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:40,820 Port Authority and a small Harvard proven projects program 1022 01:09:40,820 --> 01:09:42,740 around six grant to support 1023 01:09:42,740 --> 01:09:47,980 directing the town ring in the amount of $400,000 1024 01:09:47,980 --> 01:09:51,540 and authorize the use of $300,000 1025 01:09:51,540 --> 01:09:57,420 committed in line 604165, I'm sorry, I'm reading the wrong one. 1026 01:09:57,420 --> 01:09:58,940 Yeah, you are reading the ship, I'm sorry. 1027 01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:02,760 Okay, let's go back to the screen of the document. 1028 01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:08,640 Protect grant application to authorize the town manager to reply for a US Department of Transportation, Federal Highway Administration, 1029 01:10:09,340 --> 01:10:13,420 promoting resilient operations for terms formative efficiency and cost saving transportation, 1030 01:10:14,460 --> 01:10:20,100 reimbursable planning grant in the amount of $300,000 for planning, vulnerability assessments, 1031 01:10:20,100 --> 01:10:22,620 and pre-design activities to increase resiliency 1032 01:10:22,620 --> 01:10:25,000 for the cause-way shore road and hammock road, 1033 01:10:25,460 --> 01:10:27,520 with the designation that the money is to come 1034 01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:28,940 from the undisited fund balance. 1035 01:10:30,540 --> 01:10:32,020 You can do it as a friendly amendment, 1036 01:10:32,040 --> 01:10:33,760 and if he would accept it as a friendly amendment, 1037 01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:34,580 then we move forward. 1038 01:10:35,080 --> 01:10:38,180 If not, we have to vote on, get a second, and vote on it. 1039 01:10:38,360 --> 01:10:39,220 Thank you for that. 1040 01:10:39,320 --> 01:10:40,020 So there we go. 1041 01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:42,860 So who made the motion was a carrier as a friend? 1042 01:10:43,200 --> 01:10:43,920 He was a amendment. 1043 01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:45,900 So do you take the friendly amendment? 1044 01:10:46,460 --> 01:10:48,040 I will take the friendly amendment. 1045 01:10:48,480 --> 01:10:50,860 Okay, so now we'll vote on the opposite. 1046 01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:52,600 So that's now the motion. 1047 01:10:53,320 --> 01:10:56,120 So the amended motion is now the motion that is before the council. 1048 01:10:56,580 --> 01:10:57,040 Do I hear it? 1049 01:10:57,580 --> 01:10:58,360 Do I hear it? 1050 01:10:58,480 --> 01:10:59,860 So, do I hear it a second? 1051 01:11:02,220 --> 01:11:02,580 Discussion. 1052 01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,080 What do we need to discuss with you, your friend? 1053 01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:05,560 Yes. 1054 01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:06,820 You got it? 1055 01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:07,700 Let's say it again. 1056 01:11:07,800 --> 01:11:08,320 You want to hear it again? 1057 01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:10,560 300 grams. 1058 01:11:11,300 --> 01:11:11,900 300 grams. 1059 01:11:12,380 --> 01:11:14,120 And we're clarifying that it's coming from the head 1060 01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:15,000 to the front balance. 1061 01:11:15,800 --> 01:11:17,080 Yeah, whatever to get it going. 1062 01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:18,680 Okay, so 1063 01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:22,260 You don't hear that off in front of that. It's 1064 01:11:22,260 --> 01:11:25,060 All the people 1065 01:11:25,060 --> 01:11:31,880 You're going around with sort of stain motion carries as amended for three hundred thousand dollars 1066 01:11:33,780 --> 01:11:35,020 Thank you 1067 01:11:35,020 --> 01:11:36,480 Thank you, Ari 1068 01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:41,310 Oh, you're going much confused in tonight 1069 01:11:42,050 --> 01:11:44,610 Okay, next is a library grant item number nine 1070 01:11:50,190 --> 01:11:54,880 It's a town council to operate and state library construction 1071 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:00,480 because the town is building in the town. 1072 01:12:03,380 --> 01:12:03,940 It's so moved. 1073 01:12:05,580 --> 01:12:06,020 Discussion? 1074 01:12:07,920 --> 01:12:10,640 I'm talking about all these grants and stuff. 1075 01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:13,580 Do we have to put a million dollars up for this first? 1076 01:12:14,460 --> 01:12:14,820 No. 1077 01:12:22,060 --> 01:12:23,820 It's not a reimbursable grant. 1078 01:12:23,900 --> 01:12:24,700 It's a matching grant. 1079 01:12:25,300 --> 01:12:27,000 You get the money as you spend it? 1080 01:12:30,130 --> 01:12:31,170 There's no delay. 1081 01:12:31,970 --> 01:12:32,150 Okay. 1082 01:12:32,150 --> 01:12:37,250 I just want to do it in the rest of the money. 1083 01:12:37,550 --> 01:12:38,710 Any other discussion? 1084 01:12:43,660 --> 01:12:44,120 Approved. 1085 01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:45,260 All favor? 1086 01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:46,100 Aye. 1087 01:12:46,860 --> 01:12:47,440 Opposed? 1088 01:12:48,720 --> 01:12:49,540 Stayed? 1089 01:12:49,540 --> 01:12:50,120 Motion carries. 1090 01:12:51,120 --> 01:12:51,580 Thank you. 1091 01:12:53,970 --> 01:12:54,710 Find that's a report. 1092 01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:05,390 I have the report in front of you. 1093 01:13:05,850 --> 01:13:08,790 It's a report dated September 16th, 2026. 1094 01:13:09,670 --> 01:13:20,770 I decided to include the 2025-26 revenue budget report in expansion of budget report after all those transfers that we did last meeting. 1095 01:13:21,450 --> 01:13:37,190 So if you go on page two, which is the last page of the revenue report the last budget year, you'll see the balance is 2.6 million under, which is fine because we planned 2.6 million out of fund balance. 1096 01:13:37,190 --> 01:13:44,150 So the revenue statement for last year is basically even just as planned. 1097 01:13:45,070 --> 01:13:54,040 If you go to the next page 3, that's the budget for the prior year after all the transfers 1098 01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:54,980 that we did. 1099 01:13:55,480 --> 01:14:01,560 And as you can see, the account balances are actually quite nice and obviously no negatives. 1100 01:14:01,560 --> 01:14:13,080 If you go to page the last page of that report, you'll see that we had $55,000 left, which 1101 01:14:13,080 --> 01:14:17,400 would be fallen into a fund bounce once we close the books. 1102 01:14:19,580 --> 01:14:25,500 The next page 12 starts the new year, we're two months into it, really nothing to report 1103 01:14:25,500 --> 01:14:25,880 there. 1104 01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:29,660 I don't see any thing popping out right now. 1105 01:14:29,660 --> 01:14:40,780 I did include on page 14 the current year tax receipts history first two months always 1106 01:14:40,780 --> 01:14:48,760 interesting we collect 54.5% and I've highlighted the fiscal years that match that 1107 01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:52,240 So 22, 21, 21, 21, 21, 18, you know. 1108 01:14:52,500 --> 01:14:55,880 All 54.6, 54.5. 1109 01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:58,740 We have some years, 55.5. 1110 01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:18,820 Typically, September will be a little bit larger. So it's pretty interesting how those percentages are consistent over 10 years. If that started a change and it got reduced, then there will be some concerns. So it's an ice report to look at. 1111 01:15:21,940 --> 01:15:32,520 Then you have the expenditure report really nothing to report there. If you remember we're starting off with a pretty low contingency this year, because although no contracts, 1112 01:15:32,780 --> 01:15:37,660 Basically, that contingency will be for winter maintenance 1113 01:15:37,660 --> 01:15:41,280 expansions and we're hoping they'll load this year. 1114 01:15:46,590 --> 01:15:53,590 And then, investments are staying stable as the last 3, 4, 5 months. 1115 01:15:53,970 --> 01:15:58,970 I expect them now after today's news that they're going to increase slightly 1116 01:15:58,970 --> 01:16:00,930 as the months go by. 1117 01:16:01,670 --> 01:16:10,990 General Fund Fund Bounce forecast to June 30, 20, 27 will still, I'm forecasting will still 1118 01:16:10,990 --> 01:16:22,210 maintain our 21% fund balance to a total budget, which would give us some slight leeway 1119 01:16:22,210 --> 01:16:30,330 when we start the next budget process on using a small amount of fund balance as we did this 1120 01:16:31,910 --> 01:16:37,270 Boarded on, Board of Ed non-Lax and Blacks in Fund that was reported on by the superintendent 1121 01:16:37,270 --> 01:16:44,550 tonight after tonight's transfer from their budget of 250,000 they'll have a little bit 1122 01:16:44,550 --> 01:16:52,230 above 571,000 which provides a question to their budget mainly special education expenses. 1123 01:16:54,050 --> 01:17:00,050 On page 27 I've been including other funds as we move along just to 1124 01:17:01,030 --> 01:17:14,790 Make sure we're off the millier with all those other funds that are out there, all the funds were actually reviewed when I did the financial statements, but we'll look at the current bounces as we move along in the months. 1125 01:17:15,110 --> 01:17:27,010 Page 27 is a fund 69 open space acquisition created to put money in there for any open space acquisitions. 1126 01:17:27,010 --> 01:17:30,690 Currently, we have a fund balance of $34,000. 1127 01:17:31,290 --> 01:17:33,650 You'll see a note down there in the fund 60. 1128 01:17:33,810 --> 01:17:36,910 The CIP fund 60, the town council 1129 01:17:36,910 --> 01:17:37,890 is appropriated. 1130 01:17:37,970 --> 01:17:40,530 Some money is for open spaces, 75,000 there. 1131 01:17:41,610 --> 01:17:42,330 So it's there. 1132 01:17:42,630 --> 01:17:45,870 We may as well transfer it into this open space acquisition fund. 1133 01:17:45,990 --> 01:17:48,890 So we can see all out open space acquisition funds together. 1134 01:17:49,750 --> 01:17:51,730 So it's not in one fund, it's none other funds. 1135 01:17:51,730 --> 01:17:55,830 So I can transfer 75,000 out of fund 60 into this fund 1136 01:17:55,830 --> 01:17:57,390 and we'll have everything together. 1137 01:17:59,070 --> 01:18:03,730 Starting on page 28 is Fund 60, which is our CIP projects, 1138 01:18:04,410 --> 01:18:07,290 which is Plan 4 in the CIP document. 1139 01:18:08,270 --> 01:18:10,670 And it's also budgeted for each year. 1140 01:18:13,370 --> 01:18:13,950 I will be there. 1141 01:18:14,310 --> 01:18:16,530 You'll see some small available balances. 1142 01:18:16,670 --> 01:18:18,510 I'll be reviewing them with the departments. 1143 01:18:18,990 --> 01:18:22,230 Most likely, most of them will be closed 1144 01:18:22,230 --> 01:18:23,170 with smaller balances. 1145 01:18:23,750 --> 01:18:29,910 But I have highlighted some of the larger ones, as you can see, there's a landfill closure 1146 01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:36,490 account there, which the town council approved from that designated fund balance, the last 1147 01:18:36,490 --> 01:18:38,630 meetings, that's 301,000. 1148 01:18:39,530 --> 01:18:46,310 We have a residual amount left in the sidewalk, which is a town match of 275,000. 1149 01:18:46,430 --> 01:18:50,990 The next highlight is land acquisition, the 75,000 they talked to you about, we can transfer 1150 01:18:50,990 --> 01:18:52,950 that to the roof and space fund. 1151 01:18:53,550 --> 01:18:54,790 Below that, you can see the 1152 01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:57,950 dredgering amount that the town council approved, 1153 01:18:58,070 --> 01:19:01,250 a million 35, it was done in two approvals. 1154 01:19:02,090 --> 01:19:05,170 There was a small amount for professional services, 1155 01:19:05,690 --> 01:19:07,850 and then a million for the actual dredgering. 1156 01:19:09,450 --> 01:19:11,550 In the police, I didn't highlight that, but in the police, 1157 01:19:11,630 --> 01:19:14,150 you see some balances, and that's for their 1158 01:19:14,150 --> 01:19:16,770 police vehicle leasing. 1159 01:19:18,170 --> 01:19:20,930 And as run the subject, it will be kind of nice, 1160 01:19:20,930 --> 01:19:25,210 I think in the future to give the town council a report on that, because I remember I think 1161 01:19:25,210 --> 01:19:30,710 it was a year ago that you approved that program, I'll speak to the police chief, it will 1162 01:19:30,710 --> 01:19:36,630 be kind of nice to report on the results of that, number of your police vehicles, balances 1163 01:19:37,270 --> 01:19:42,930 and maybe in the future, because of these reservations that we have here, maybe the amount 1164 01:19:42,930 --> 01:19:44,050 and the budget gets reduced. 1165 01:19:44,630 --> 01:19:49,450 So we'll report on that probably in the next town council night meeting. 1166 01:19:50,050 --> 01:20:00,710 In the fire department line items, most of that is our reservation for future fire apparatus and that's planned in the CIP. 1167 01:20:01,630 --> 01:20:09,990 Don't recall when the next one is, but we've planned that when that time does come that we'll have enough money in here to purchase a fire truck. 1168 01:20:09,990 --> 01:20:14,670 So that's one example where, you know, a five truck is a perfect item to bomb because 1169 01:20:14,670 --> 01:20:20,830 it lasts more than 20 years, but if you can, if you can not bomb, if you have the money 1170 01:20:20,830 --> 01:20:22,990 in the budget, obviously that's what you do. 1171 01:20:23,650 --> 01:20:29,270 There are some items in the CAP when we plan it that we can't put it in the budget because 1172 01:20:30,110 --> 01:20:35,430 we're always thinking about tax increase mill rate, so we don't, that's when you do bond. 1173 01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:44,550 But anyway, this is a nice example of the town planning ahead with tax money putting 1174 01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:47,850 in to this account, where it would buy fire apparatus, which is very expensive. 1175 01:20:49,130 --> 01:20:54,250 Public works, you do see a negative amount, that's only because that's the public work 1176 01:20:54,250 --> 01:20:59,350 storage building, that's going to be offset by a $500,000 grant. 1177 01:21:01,250 --> 01:21:15,570 Transf, there's 281,000 in general roads, that was not spent because Todd has planned for a road project, typically over 500,000, so we're waiting for more funds. 1178 01:21:16,370 --> 01:21:24,250 I think what I'm going to do is transfer that amount to our new roads fund, so again, everything is together, and we know exactly how much we have for roads. 1179 01:21:24,250 --> 01:21:26,170 Where is that new roads fund? 1180 01:21:26,830 --> 01:21:27,750 Fund 66. 1181 01:21:28,410 --> 01:21:34,330 Once these transfers are made, I can report on fund 66 that the next other fund, we put 1182 01:21:34,330 --> 01:21:34,970 100 report. 1183 01:21:35,530 --> 01:21:36,910 Right now there's 100,000. 1184 01:21:36,950 --> 01:21:38,530 This is to anyone would read to 380. 1185 01:21:38,730 --> 01:21:39,270 That's correct. 1186 01:21:40,810 --> 01:21:44,710 If you think about it, if everything is approved, if everything is approved, if everything 1187 01:21:44,710 --> 01:21:48,950 Funds won't be available until next paving season, we've missed a paving season. 1188 01:21:49,610 --> 01:21:52,250 We should have enough funds in that fund 1189 01:21:52,250 --> 01:21:54,490 to catch up. 1190 01:21:57,190 --> 01:21:59,810 Parks and Recreation, they have residual amounts. 1191 01:22:00,950 --> 01:22:04,150 They knew recreation directions, we viewed them. 1192 01:22:04,590 --> 01:22:11,270 He's also reported on items that he's seen going around the Parks and Rec area that 1193 01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:19,930 need paying attention and at a soon date, he'll be coming to you and we'll be reporting 1194 01:22:19,930 --> 01:22:23,670 on those items, you know, transfers from here to another line. 1195 01:22:23,670 --> 01:22:29,970 So we can fix some things like, for instance, playgrounds and then 1196 01:22:30,000 --> 01:22:37,640 In education, I will be talking to the business manager on the items that are left over from 1197 01:22:37,640 --> 01:22:43,480 later years to see if we can close those out, but there are items from 26. I know they're 1198 01:22:43,480 --> 01:22:47,240 going to spend, and obviously 27, those amounts are still available. 1199 01:22:53,380 --> 01:23:01,740 The last item is just interesting. It's just when we, in the process of an audit, 1200 01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:05,320 and we're 1201 01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:10,080 We have software program where we have a to-do list, so we keep on tracking. 1202 01:23:10,660 --> 01:23:13,940 I thought it would just be interesting to include that at the back of the report. 1203 01:23:14,140 --> 01:23:18,740 Just to give you an idea of the items that we give the auditors and the timing. 1204 01:23:18,980 --> 01:23:21,140 There's a do date on it. 1205 01:23:22,200 --> 01:23:25,800 When I submit it, they either accept it or deny it. 1206 01:23:25,820 --> 01:23:30,900 We do get some denials and you go back and do what you have to do. 1207 01:23:30,900 --> 01:23:37,300 But if you look at the due dates, they range from may where they do interim samples of our 1208 01:23:37,300 --> 01:23:44,240 expenses and revenues, and then basically it goes up to September 30th and lastly there's some 1209 01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:50,200 October items at the very end. But it's a quite extensive list, and it keeps us busy and I thought 1210 01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,580 I would just present that for informational purposes. 1211 01:23:56,410 --> 01:23:58,430 That's my report if you have. 1212 01:23:58,430 --> 01:24:05,290 So what are you saying here, this is reports that you're doing your trial balance for 1213 01:24:05,290 --> 01:24:09,850 balance sheet, your revenue detail, and it was accepted, and that was the due data it was 1214 01:24:09,850 --> 01:24:11,430 due, accepted by who? 1215 01:24:11,990 --> 01:24:17,630 The others, because sometimes you could submit a report, and I'm not saying it's wrong, but 1216 01:24:17,630 --> 01:24:22,090 it wouldn't be in the same format that they were requesting, and they would deny it, they'll 1217 01:24:22,090 --> 01:24:24,830 tell you why, and you'd resummit it. 1218 01:24:27,190 --> 01:24:27,630 Thank you. 1219 01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:28,810 Any questions? 1220 01:24:34,290 --> 01:24:37,450 Next slide, I'm number 11, Tom Managers report. 1221 01:24:38,050 --> 01:24:39,710 Okay, so everyone got a copy of the report. 1222 01:24:39,970 --> 01:24:41,810 So I'm going to just go through it. 1223 01:24:42,510 --> 01:24:43,910 So I'll send a little more time on. 1224 01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:48,470 The first one is that the town has received formal notification 1225 01:24:48,470 --> 01:24:51,430 from the Connecticut Division of Emergency Management and Homeland Security. 1226 01:24:51,610 --> 01:24:56,270 That Clinton's 206 local emergency operations plan has been received and approved. 1227 01:24:56,270 --> 01:25:05,990 You all have copied the letter, I'd like to thank and recognize Mike Neff, our emergency management director, as well as everyone else who contributed to the preparation in updating this plan. 1228 01:25:07,610 --> 01:25:09,170 So, that's due to that. 1229 01:25:10,430 --> 01:25:13,410 I wanted to give everyone an update on the DPW building. 1230 01:25:14,410 --> 01:25:25,690 That was, there's a breakdown there of this steep funding, which was 543, the town's fund 179, 5, so the total cost to build this structure is 723,100. 1231 01:25:25,690 --> 01:25:30,810 dollars. The footings have been poured and it's continuing and it's anticipated to be completed 1232 01:25:30,810 --> 01:25:31,450 in October. 1233 01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:38,730 Andrews Memorial Theatre I know that we've been talking about the use of that 1234 01:25:38,730 --> 01:25:48,510 and we had an inventory done of the equipment in the theater and a master were in the final stages 1235 01:25:48,510 --> 01:25:53,770 of creating a comprehensive master equipment list so that when people do inquire about theater 1236 01:25:53,770 --> 01:26:00,630 we can send out this list to them with actually the projectors model number, the types of speakers 1237 01:26:00,630 --> 01:26:05,990 we have, everything, the size of the screen so that if people are thinking of utilizing 1238 01:26:05,990 --> 01:26:10,550 our theater for a film festival or something along those lines, they know the equipment we have, 1239 01:26:10,830 --> 01:26:16,810 but with all events, they are welcome to rent and have an outside company come in and set 1240 01:26:16,810 --> 01:26:29,950 So there is a lot of opportunity there, which we are working on, you know, again, making it easier and more accessible for people to utilize a space. 1241 01:26:31,030 --> 01:26:34,930 One other topic is, I'm going to have copies of the emails. 1242 01:26:34,930 --> 01:26:45,850 So, the council has had conversations in the past about using or having liquor in the building. 1243 01:26:46,670 --> 01:26:49,930 And, to the season, we are now starting to get holiday request. 1244 01:26:50,690 --> 01:26:55,330 So, as you're aware, over the summer we went with a new broker for our insurance. 1245 01:26:55,490 --> 01:26:59,330 We did a deep dive into all of our policies. 1246 01:26:59,330 --> 01:27:08,870 and the overall takeaway here is that we do have liability, liquor coverage. 1247 01:27:10,750 --> 01:27:16,770 However, it is still best practice and would increase the town's potential liability 1248 01:27:16,770 --> 01:27:21,750 in exposure if we do offer, allow the liquor and do the waiver. 1249 01:27:22,510 --> 01:27:24,210 So I didn't want to mix words. 1250 01:27:24,210 --> 01:27:30,550 This is a copy of the email thread between myself and the insurance company, our broker, 1251 01:27:30,690 --> 01:27:38,650 explaining the coverage we have, the liability potential, so you obviously can still view 1252 01:27:38,650 --> 01:27:44,570 some waivers if that's something you'd like to do, but this is just summarizing the potential 1253 01:27:44,570 --> 01:27:54,190 liability. And then you had asked about the number of activities we've had in the past, so in 1254 01:27:54,190 --> 01:28:03,190 We had six events that requested a waiver and in 2026 so far we've had two. 1255 01:28:04,530 --> 01:28:17,710 Well Henry exemption was the library which was over at the library it wasn't in this building so I don't know if that really counts because they had their own additional insurance but those are the numbers of events that we had. 1256 01:28:17,710 --> 01:28:27,050 So this is what we thought I we can add it to we can add it to an agenda in the future to have a more thorough discussion or 1257 01:28:27,050 --> 01:28:33,860 You can just have this information and as waivers come in front of you you can make a decision if this 1258 01:28:34,570 --> 01:28:37,290 Is something you want to do what you'll have all the facts 1259 01:28:39,150 --> 01:28:47,760 So I hope that's helpful any questions on that because I know that I just wonder what the applications are of that on our future use of 1260 01:28:51,890 --> 01:28:59,090 because all of these surrounding people who have events, whether it's a cater, what not, they have alcohol. 1261 01:29:00,110 --> 01:29:00,630 Yeah, so... 1262 01:29:00,630 --> 01:29:01,570 No, it's something to... 1263 01:29:02,310 --> 01:29:11,010 My thought on that would be the significance of the amount of degrade it, the extent to the function benefits economically or culture or arts. 1264 01:29:11,170 --> 01:29:14,930 As we have our goals, there's strategic directives that we say, we want to use the under's memorial theater. 1265 01:29:14,930 --> 01:29:19,230 And it's going to be a big show and it's going to raise tens of thousands of dollars. 1266 01:29:19,730 --> 01:29:24,710 You think differently, or you think harder about your requirement on alcohol than you would 1267 01:29:24,710 --> 01:29:29,930 if it was just, you know, donuts on a Saturday morning and somebody wants to have Irish coffee. 1268 01:29:31,730 --> 01:29:34,910 Again, so this is your information, you have a complete female thread. 1269 01:29:35,590 --> 01:29:41,370 The waivers still are required to come to you, so you can refer to this, keep it in your packet 1270 01:29:41,370 --> 01:29:44,170 and as you have to make decisions, 1271 01:29:45,370 --> 01:29:47,770 refer to what the insurance brokers are saying. 1272 01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:55,190 So the last specific plus notification, 1273 01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:58,870 we have been talking about increasing notifications 1274 01:29:59,550 --> 01:29:59,970 with... 1275 01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:22,500 And there was, I shared with you a couple of meetings ago that we do have a notification system as part of our website. And we took a deeper dive and had a couple of workshops I want to thank Mary for her efforts on this part. We have had numerous meetings with civic plus who oversees our website. 1276 01:30:22,500 --> 01:30:30,380 And there is a feature that we are paying for that we weren't utilizing to its fullest potential, which is civic send. 1277 01:30:31,140 --> 01:30:40,100 So the town is in the process of working with the vendor to understand exactly how we can utilize this more, get it out to the public. 1278 01:30:40,860 --> 01:30:45,260 And we don't have to start with a new system. We already have it, we're able to pay for it. 1279 01:30:45,260 --> 01:30:51,120 It's just a matter of, on our end, figuring out how to make it more seamless for the residents. 1280 01:30:52,260 --> 01:30:55,200 And because there's like all that back end configuring that has to get done. 1281 01:30:55,400 --> 01:31:00,420 And then we'll do a big push out to our residents to sign up for text notifications. 1282 01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:05,460 And then on our end, we'll do more pushing out of stuff via this system. 1283 01:31:05,860 --> 01:31:06,900 So we do have it. 1284 01:31:07,220 --> 01:31:09,600 So that should address those concerns. 1285 01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:13,300 And that is my report for now. 1286 01:31:14,300 --> 01:31:15,220 Any questions? 1287 01:31:17,280 --> 01:31:18,460 I have one. 1288 01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,040 And there's just on the Andrews Memorial Theatre. 1289 01:31:22,180 --> 01:31:25,400 Our overall goal is to increase utilization of the theater and attract additional 1290 01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:26,300 events and rentals. 1291 01:31:27,420 --> 01:31:30,340 I was hoping that rapport would be a little more specific than that. 1292 01:31:30,820 --> 01:31:30,880 About. 1293 01:31:30,980 --> 01:31:37,220 Like what kinds of ideas, like a utilization of the theater, like in what ways or attract additional events, 1294 01:31:37,360 --> 01:31:38,880 like what kind of events and what kind of events. 1295 01:31:39,160 --> 01:31:40,200 Film festivals. 1296 01:31:40,200 --> 01:31:48,460 We had the seniors use it for a musical which was greatly received and they're going to be planning on doing more of those 1297 01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:52,840 You know, we don't market it 1298 01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:57,120 We just at this point don't have the means to actually market it 1299 01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:00,540 But right now it's a it's a good balance of 1300 01:32:01,440 --> 01:32:09,160 global community groups using it and outside vendors. Yeah, so my thought on it is that we've ramped that up 1301 01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:14,160 significantly and and we have an opportunity in the year 2027. We'll see what happens 1302 01:32:14,160 --> 01:32:18,620 on September 29th in Old Sabre but it looks like they're going to close the cake for a year 1303 01:32:19,480 --> 01:32:24,820 while they're renovating which might be an opportunity for us to have more stuff here. 1304 01:32:25,180 --> 01:32:29,460 If we're going to enter that market or try to do more that's a window of opportunity. 1305 01:32:29,460 --> 01:32:32,260 I have a question for you. 1306 01:32:32,500 --> 01:32:33,060 Yeah, good idea. 1307 01:32:38,580 --> 01:32:40,760 Is it the one day? 1308 01:32:41,040 --> 01:32:41,340 Is it the one day? 1309 01:32:41,660 --> 01:32:43,000 Is it the one day? 1310 01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:43,020 Is it the one? 1311 01:32:43,300 --> 01:32:43,960 She November? 1312 01:32:45,240 --> 01:32:46,800 Is she the she is with? 1313 01:32:46,860 --> 01:32:48,100 Hi, I am Community Frost. 1314 01:32:48,660 --> 01:32:49,480 Yes, I believe so. 1315 01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:51,220 Yes, because that's wild. 1316 01:32:51,380 --> 01:32:53,160 It was a one day film event. 1317 01:32:53,520 --> 01:32:54,080 I believe I was. 1318 01:32:55,140 --> 01:32:56,220 Yes, I did something. 1319 01:32:56,260 --> 01:32:57,700 I was involved with them. 1320 01:32:57,840 --> 01:32:57,980 Sierra. 1321 01:32:58,780 --> 01:33:09,940 They would have to, I don't know, I mean, as part of the room rental process, as room, as part of the room rental process and the application, it explains all of that if that's something that they need to be considered for and the timeline. 1322 01:33:10,180 --> 01:33:15,900 There will be someone coming to the council, I believe, at the next meeting asking for a waiver for an event. 1323 01:33:16,300 --> 01:33:20,380 So that's what made me, you know, make sure to get all this to you in time. 1324 01:33:20,580 --> 01:33:21,880 So you have the information. Yes. 1325 01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:27,660 comment so you I'm I'm a little I don't get over to the 1326 01:33:27,660 --> 01:33:31,880 Kate all those the functions over the Kate they're allowed to bring 1327 01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:35,780 alcohol yeah yeah yeah well the count it's they serve not 1328 01:33:35,780 --> 01:33:39,540 don't bring them sorry they serve it that we can we explicitly cannot 1329 01:33:39,540 --> 01:33:43,840 serve alcohol for our content for our insurance we cannot serve out right the 1330 01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:49,300 Kate is a town owned building but it is the inside is physically least 1331 01:33:49,300 --> 01:33:52,140 and operated by an outside organization. 1332 01:33:52,960 --> 01:33:53,960 We are very different here. 1333 01:33:54,140 --> 01:33:55,260 We are a shared space. 1334 01:33:55,660 --> 01:33:57,820 Or if we had places to stop here, 1335 01:33:58,160 --> 01:34:00,160 there would be no alcohol involved, right? 1336 01:34:00,300 --> 01:34:01,620 They wouldn't need to come to the council 1337 01:34:01,620 --> 01:34:02,320 and have a waiver. 1338 01:34:02,720 --> 01:34:05,340 And then if it's an outside organization running it, 1339 01:34:05,420 --> 01:34:07,520 it's just like when the offer used to do it, 1340 01:34:07,900 --> 01:34:08,920 or, you know, they can sell it. 1341 01:34:09,080 --> 01:34:09,580 We can't. 1342 01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:12,140 And I guess when I'm trying to say, 1343 01:34:12,220 --> 01:34:13,880 do we always have to have alcohol now? 1344 01:34:14,080 --> 01:34:14,660 No, we have this. 1345 01:34:14,660 --> 01:34:19,280 I'm not a key to all the residents, but I just want 1346 01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:21,100 to say that. 1347 01:34:22,460 --> 01:34:27,140 I've written and I'll do and the the other Chester Playhouse. 1348 01:34:27,720 --> 01:34:29,160 They run these plays and everything. 1349 01:34:29,160 --> 01:34:31,040 They don't have alcohol there. 1350 01:34:31,620 --> 01:34:32,460 They have a water. 1351 01:34:32,800 --> 01:34:33,860 That's the quality of everything. 1352 01:34:33,980 --> 01:34:35,240 I think I'm sorry. 1353 01:34:35,500 --> 01:34:36,780 I have a day of alcohol. 1354 01:34:37,180 --> 01:34:37,660 Where? 1355 01:34:38,040 --> 01:34:39,540 Outside, they have that little tent. 1356 01:34:40,300 --> 01:34:41,080 I've written playhouse. 1357 01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:42,900 And it's a place I go to. 1358 01:34:43,180 --> 01:34:43,980 But that's okay. 1359 01:34:44,480 --> 01:34:45,320 Maybe they do. 1360 01:34:45,480 --> 01:34:46,760 I'm not trying to. 1361 01:34:46,820 --> 01:34:50,060 What I'm trying to say is I would like to push 1362 01:34:50,060 --> 01:34:59,820 for a lot more use maybe for plays and stuff, you know, and as the manager said, you know, film festivals or whatever, 1363 01:35:00,860 --> 01:35:09,180 but we certainly should take advantage of, like you said, to Kate not being around and so I take more plays 1364 01:35:09,180 --> 01:35:16,100 of stairs would be nice. I said to me travel and up to Ivan. So these are these are major strategic 1365 01:35:16,100 --> 01:35:17,300 directives of the council, right? 1366 01:35:17,740 --> 01:35:22,740 We risk management is very high on our priorities and cultural and economic development 1367 01:35:22,740 --> 01:35:25,420 and using the theater to get downtown very high. 1368 01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:30,660 So, both of those are somewhat competing interests and the goal is to navigate that that 1369 01:35:30,660 --> 01:35:32,580 we optimize or maximize both. 1370 01:35:32,900 --> 01:35:33,540 And I think we can. 1371 01:35:35,200 --> 01:35:36,020 This is a problem. 1372 01:35:36,320 --> 01:35:43,060 I mean, one of the biggest complainers when we first started to quibble over the alcohol was 1373 01:35:43,060 --> 01:35:47,840 struggles society because they would hold their annual meeting here. Well, historical society 1374 01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:53,440 ran up against the same well and you did and they can no longer serve alcohol. So in this upcoming 1375 01:35:53,440 --> 01:35:58,640 oyster festival, they're doing a non-alcoholic beer because I guess that's becoming all there. 1376 01:35:58,640 --> 01:36:03,840 That's what it's popular, too, yeah? So that's what they're doing. We have to pivot, right? 1377 01:36:05,260 --> 01:36:06,700 All right. Anything else on the time? 1378 01:36:06,700 --> 01:36:12,580 I have a good news to report, and item number 12, the Chairman has doesn't have anything to 1379 01:36:12,580 --> 01:36:13,120 report. 1380 01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:19,000 And now item number 13 on the agenda, Council discussions. 1381 01:36:19,660 --> 01:36:21,680 We've got anything on their mind that they would like to discuss. 1382 01:36:32,730 --> 01:36:33,430 Nothing, though. 1383 01:36:33,490 --> 01:36:33,870 Keep it going. 1384 01:36:34,050 --> 01:36:34,410 Keep it going. 1385 01:36:34,410 --> 01:36:34,790 The discussion. 1386 01:36:35,090 --> 01:36:35,570 We've passed. 1387 01:36:35,790 --> 01:36:36,310 We could. 1388 01:36:37,810 --> 01:36:38,470 All right. 1389 01:36:39,250 --> 01:36:49,830 So then I guess we'll move on to item number 14, which is town council committee liaison reports. 1390 01:36:51,870 --> 01:36:53,330 Well, I'll start off with the police. 1391 01:36:53,570 --> 01:36:55,830 I attended that last Monday night. 1392 01:36:56,110 --> 01:36:58,590 Everything seems to be going very well there. 1393 01:36:59,050 --> 01:37:04,190 I'm happy to report that they have done a lot of interviews and stuff. 1394 01:37:04,450 --> 01:37:09,530 And they think they have a couple of good solid candidates to go to their academy. 1395 01:37:09,530 --> 01:37:16,790 And if I didn't, maybe I misheard the right Friday, but the academy's either starting this Friday this Friday. 1396 01:37:16,790 --> 01:37:17,390 This Friday, this Friday. 1397 01:37:18,390 --> 01:37:24,790 And from what the chief was saying, they're hopeful that they'll have two people getting in free academy Friday. 1398 01:37:25,050 --> 01:37:29,210 So that'll be good news because it's two vacancies that we present we have. 1399 01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:31,900 And that's 1400 01:37:33,980 --> 01:37:36,420 it. Parking right? 1401 01:37:37,840 --> 01:37:50,040 I was just looking. I didn't go to the meeting because they were prioritizing the projects and I didn't want to influence that at all. 1402 01:37:50,520 --> 01:37:57,860 But I did look through it. They did go through and prioritize a bunch of projects. 1403 01:37:57,860 --> 01:38:03,700 hopefully they can bring those talk to Michelle and have dust and come in here and talk 1404 01:38:03,700 --> 01:38:11,140 about that. And that's it. I could look it out of someone else wants to go first. 1405 01:38:13,020 --> 01:38:14,080 All right. Right. 1406 01:38:14,580 --> 01:38:18,600 At the high point with the landfill capping and they're going to continue their work in the 1407 01:38:18,600 --> 01:38:22,380 PECD implementation starting with inviting groups into their meeting, starting with Harbor 1408 01:38:22,380 --> 01:38:28,830 Management and EDC. How the works? I didn't make the meeting last night, but I spoke to Todd today. 1409 01:38:29,330 --> 01:38:31,650 In the meeting last night in the director's report, 1410 01:38:31,850 --> 01:38:33,870 he did a capital needs and infrastructure priorities. 1411 01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:37,330 Talked a lot about the roads and I believe that's going to be in the minutes. 1412 01:38:37,810 --> 01:38:42,270 So I know there's some questions before about road paving, status of road stuff. 1413 01:38:42,570 --> 01:38:45,770 Todd did a nice PowerPoint presentation kind of outlining where things are at. 1414 01:38:46,350 --> 01:38:48,710 So it's in the, it'll be in the minutes for review. 1415 01:38:50,190 --> 01:38:53,170 And the economic development, I went to the meeting. 1416 01:38:54,510 --> 01:38:56,710 The, I'll, the presentation, which was called, 1417 01:38:56,710 --> 01:39:01,210 The process presentation on Connecticut Main Street that we saw, they did that to the EDC. 1418 01:39:01,910 --> 01:39:06,510 Rebecca Mead was there and was introduced to the, and it's began to work with the EDC, 1419 01:39:06,670 --> 01:39:08,430 so that's good that that relationship is developed. 1420 01:39:08,910 --> 01:39:11,910 And the only other thing is, somebody mentioned in the meeting, 1421 01:39:12,230 --> 01:39:15,610 something maybe you could follow up on our kayak rack here at the town hall, 1422 01:39:15,990 --> 01:39:21,370 that it's hard to access when it's low tide and to look at whether or not that's safe, 1423 01:39:21,570 --> 01:39:23,870 where there's something we ought to do to make that safe. 1424 01:39:24,650 --> 01:39:26,350 That's it for EDC. 1425 01:39:28,010 --> 01:39:30,830 There was one of their, I'm going to go backwards to Chairman's report. 1426 01:39:30,950 --> 01:39:37,150 There was news in the, in the Harvard news at Old Sabre, looked at the public comment 1427 01:39:37,150 --> 01:39:41,310 portion of the town council meeting where you can narrow the scope and the minutes. 1428 01:39:42,170 --> 01:39:42,970 We have very long meetings. 1429 01:39:43,170 --> 01:39:49,370 We carry covering a lot of work these days and that visitors, when they speak, we could narrow 1430 01:39:49,370 --> 01:39:51,530 the scope of what they do first at the amount of time. 1431 01:39:51,530 --> 01:39:57,550 I keep the track at the time, and I keep track about four minutes or five minutes, and I try to move along if it's longer than that. 1432 01:39:58,010 --> 01:40:07,190 Board of Education, or Old Saber, made it three minutes, and also narrow the scope of the topics that could be discussed to be what's on the agenda for the evening. 1433 01:40:07,610 --> 01:40:17,170 So you just can't go talk about anything. You have to talk about what's on the agenda. We could adopt a resolution to have the same type of rules on our public comments in the beginning of the meeting. 1434 01:40:17,830 --> 01:40:19,390 So I put it out there for consideration. 1435 01:40:20,830 --> 01:40:23,850 I think it would be a good future agenda item to talk about. 1436 01:40:24,090 --> 01:40:24,230 Sorry. 1437 01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:26,510 I think it would be a good future agenda item to talk about. 1438 01:40:26,630 --> 01:40:27,690 Just hearing about it right now. 1439 01:40:28,610 --> 01:40:28,810 You know. 1440 01:40:28,930 --> 01:40:30,390 Sometime to sit with it for all of us. 1441 01:40:31,790 --> 01:40:32,030 All right. 1442 01:40:32,310 --> 01:40:33,070 And with that. 1443 01:40:33,370 --> 01:40:36,230 Do I hear a motion to go to an item number 15 on the agenda? 1444 01:40:36,410 --> 01:40:38,070 Do I hear a motion to go to an executive session? 1445 01:40:38,190 --> 01:40:38,750 Persona Kinetic. 1446 01:40:38,850 --> 01:40:39,510 General statute. 1447 01:40:40,050 --> 01:40:43,490 Section 1-268 for purposes of interviewing candidates for the Park 1448 01:40:43,490 --> 01:40:46,250 Correct Commission and for the Economic Development Commission. 1449 01:40:46,970 --> 01:40:49,370 And I will invite Mary and 1450 01:40:49,370 --> 01:40:50,750 And the candidates. 1451 01:40:51,210 --> 01:40:51,870 And the candidates. 1452 01:40:52,790 --> 01:40:54,370 So we'll go back to those names. 1453 01:40:56,270 --> 01:40:56,430 Thank you. 1454 01:40:56,430 --> 01:40:57,490 Good to have you, Evercamp. 1455 01:40:58,130 --> 01:41:03,090 Dan Wilson and Ellen Bailey for Park and Reck and Richard Brachler for EDC. 1456 01:41:03,530 --> 01:41:07,930 So this one's second? 1457 01:41:10,010 --> 01:41:10,530 All the favour? 1458 01:41:11,950 --> 01:41:12,350 Opposed? 1459 01:41:12,850 --> 01:41:13,350 I'm staying. 1460 01:41:13,810 --> 01:41:14,370 Motion carries. 1461 01:41:15,050 --> 01:41:15,650 Thank you. 1462 01:41:20,540 --> 01:41:21,140 Welcome back. 1463 01:41:21,320 --> 01:41:22,600 Thank you for your patience. 1464 01:41:22,600 --> 01:41:29,700 Thank you for staying for such a long night again. I'll repeat what I said to each one of you that we appreciate very much 1465 01:41:29,700 --> 01:41:35,880 Devontarism and you are what makes this community great. Please keep up doing what you're doing. Do I hear a motion? 1466 01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:43,200 To a point Ellen Bailey to the Board of Park and Reck Commission for the vacancy 1467 01:41:46,460 --> 01:41:47,420 Second second 1468 01:41:47,420 --> 01:41:47,800 discussion 1469 01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:51,520 All in favor. Hi. Hi. Post 1470 01:41:51,520 --> 01:42:04,060 I'm staying motion carries. Next, do I hear a motion to add Patrick Shea to the open seat or the vacant seat on the economic development commission? 1471 01:42:04,500 --> 01:42:05,080 So moved. 1472 01:42:06,720 --> 01:42:07,100 discussion. 1473 01:42:08,180 --> 01:42:08,880 All in favor? 1474 01:42:09,480 --> 01:42:09,560 Aye. 1475 01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:10,240 Opposed. 1476 01:42:10,900 --> 01:42:12,340 Stay motion carries. 1477 01:42:13,120 --> 01:42:13,600 Thank you. 1478 01:42:15,140 --> 01:42:15,820 Come on to get him. 1479 01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:17,520 Those go for that microphone. 1480 01:42:18,580 --> 01:42:19,000 What's that? 1481 01:42:19,000 --> 01:42:20,560 Oh, you look like you were trying to turn it on. 1482 01:42:20,620 --> 01:42:21,640 This isn't for those speakers. 1483 01:42:21,740 --> 01:42:22,920 No, I know it's for that money. 1484 01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:23,940 Oh, okay. 1485 01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:25,060 Those are both of the time. 1486 01:42:25,300 --> 01:42:25,680 It's awful. 1487 01:42:25,980 --> 01:42:26,860 I don't know what's horn in it. 1488 01:42:26,860 --> 01:42:27,580 You're earliest convenience. 1489 01:42:28,120 --> 01:42:29,700 Thank you, everybody, for your patience. 1490 01:42:29,840 --> 01:42:31,940 Don't forget if you get them sworn in, you don't have to. 1491 01:42:31,940 --> 01:42:32,160 Okay. 1492 01:42:33,420 --> 01:42:33,860 Thank you. 1493 01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:34,860 Please get sworn in. 1494 01:42:35,140 --> 01:42:35,720 What are you doing? 1495 01:42:36,060 --> 01:42:36,680 It's horn in. 1496 01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:37,820 It's horn in. 1497 01:42:39,930 --> 01:42:40,490 Make the motion. 1498 01:42:40,710 --> 01:42:40,830 No. 1499 01:42:41,490 --> 01:42:42,910 We have another executive session. 1500 01:42:43,850 --> 01:42:44,470 Thank you. 1501 01:42:44,970 --> 01:42:45,270 Second. 1502 01:42:47,570 --> 01:42:49,110 motion for a second session. 1503 01:42:49,570 --> 01:42:50,430 Who's first? 1504 01:42:51,130 --> 01:42:52,150 Motion to eat though I hear motion. 1505 01:42:52,930 --> 01:42:53,510 Second. 1506 01:42:55,330 --> 01:42:57,190 All the favor. 1507 01:42:57,770 --> 01:42:58,490 I'm saying. 1508 01:42:59,310 --> 01:42:59,350 I'm saying. 1509 01:42:59,370 --> 01:43:00,830 I'm inviting Amy Jennings. 1510 01:43:02,170 --> 01:43:04,310 And going back into executive set in the area. 1511 01:43:04,330 --> 01:43:05,370 No, not married. 1512 01:43:10,490 --> 01:43:11,690 Your motion to adjourn. 1513 01:43:12,010 --> 01:43:12,570 Second. 1514 01:43:13,430 --> 01:43:13,970 All the favor. 1515 01:43:14,790 --> 01:43:15,170 Second. 1516 01:43:15,910 --> 01:43:16,290 Second. 1517 01:43:17,610 --> 01:43:17,890 Second. 1518 01:43:17,890 --> 01:43:19,090 We need to adjourn.