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Welcome to the town council regular meeting, September 16th, 2026, 7 p.m.

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Town of Clinton, we're in the town hall green room.

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Dennis, would you please lead us in the pledge?

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

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and to the Republic for which it stands,

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one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Thanks, Dennis.

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You're welcome.

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Item number two on the agenda, visitors.

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Do we have any visitors that would like to participate?

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Carol, please, Carol.

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Do I have to come up there?

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Yeah, please.

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And unfortunately, state your name.

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Oh, unfortunately.

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Sorry to trouble you.

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All right.

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This is a totally different topic.

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You're a live mic in front of you.

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Yeah.

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Who am I?

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Pete and I?

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Yeah.

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I have a little thing that I say before public speaking.

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And that is that the council will not interact with you during a regular town council meeting.

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We'll listen. We appreciate your contribution and we'll listen carefully.

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If there's action to be taken based on what you submit, the town council will put it on agenda for a later meeting.

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Or the town manager, you can reach out to the town manager to take care of something with that.

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I like the good old days when there was banter back and forth.

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When we got things done the same night that they came up.

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But anyway, Carol Walter, five-year-old court, and I am here riding on the coattails of dock days,

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which, if you were there, it was a great day for Clinton. Everybody had a wonderful time,

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and it was just a big wonderful accomplishment for all of us. I had two comments afterwards

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words outside of how much everybody loved it. One was don't ever let anyone throw their

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dog in the water again. So that will be rule number one. And number two was people wondered

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where the beach was. And I, before this all came to be, I had talks with Todd Hagek and

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Rob Derry about the condition of the beach. And primarily what it came down to, the

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the condition of the beach being that there's no sand there anymore. It's

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probably 80% grass and 20% sand and the grass that is there is crab grass. The

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same is what grows in my yard if I don't dig it out. It's not some protected

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species of grass. It's just something that needs to, you know, if you had a

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claw down there you could dig it out. So I'm here asking that maybe going

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forward into next year's budget, you could put in some funds to recreate that

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beach the way it was meant to be. I looked up the deed for that property and it

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was gifted to the town with the provision that it always remain a

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beach. And that the people from Maplewood Drive would always be allowed

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to swim at that beach. So I would think that, I mean, there is a moral

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obligation to maintain it with the sandy surface that it had when my kids were

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growing up we were over there would be I mean there were families over there all

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the time playing at the beach with nobody would go in the water because it was

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awful now the water is great but you can't you can't get in there because

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I mean you won't go there because there isn't sand I also have spoken with the

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Shapiro's at Cedar Island Marina and they say that that area is a half

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step from becoming declared a wetlands because of the condition it's in. And if that were

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to happen, that would be the end of any use of that. I mean, wetlands are more protected

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than anything we see around town. So I'm, the problem that I had with Rob Derry and

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Todd Hagek was nobody had money in their budget to, to do, to bring in the sand,

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this approved sand you have to put on a beach. So I'm hoping that, you know, somehow

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Now somewhere, something can be built in to scrape the craft grass out of the beach and

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bring some sand in and maintain it the way the deed asked that it be maintained.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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So were you talking about the Zecarro Beach or the Espezo?

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Espezo Beach.

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The one near the town dock?

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Yes.

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Any other persons were?

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Yes please.

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Please come to the table, state your name and address.

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Good evening.

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My name is Dean Kugin and for the past 10 years I've resided at 65 Waterside Lane.

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I want to start out with a shout out to the Clinton Police Department for the job they

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did during the fireworks show.

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We're on the front row of everything that's happening down there at 65 Waterside Lane

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and can't imagine how that could have been done any better and more safely.

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For the record, the following narrative is my own and was not authored by AI.

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Thank you for this opportunity to speak with you about the January 2025 flock license plate

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cameras activation in seven locations by the Clinton Police Department. I'm not here to be

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presumptive about the Clinton Police Department's intent nor its use of its flock system. I defer

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instead to Connecticut's most watched news organization WFSB and their investigative

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report concerning the Clinton Police Department's use of the Flock system.

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According to WFSB, the Clinton Police Department had shared its Flock

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immigration related data with other nearby states and agencies for 11

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months. The police department acquired the Flock system aware that it tracked

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individuals having immigration interest. The police department only suspended

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it its flock immigration data sharing at about the same time our state of Connecticut was

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passing legislation signed into law this past May outlawing continued sharing of such immigration

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flock data. When asked, FWSB was denied access to the Clinton Police Department's raw actual

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data thus preventing a closer look at how the Clinton Police Department had been using

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their flock system since its startup, I would surmise that my fellow Clinton residents would

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find such uncooperative behavior by the Clinton police department to not be a model of transparency.

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I quote, the Fourth Amendment of our Constitution seeks to secure the privacy of life against

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arbitrary power and that a central aim of the framers was to place obstacles in the

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way of a too permeating police surveillance as an individual maintains a legitimate expectation

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of privacy in the record of his physical movements.

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When reviewing the Clinton police department's flock policy and procedures, section K, for

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prohibited uses, it states, quote, any use that violates a person's constitutional

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rights is prohibited. As presently deployed, its use of the Flock's camera is such a violation.

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Our protected privacy is a public safety issue. What happens to each of us when our protected

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privacy rights become further diminished, especially with our present democracy teetering

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and our individual freedoms threatened at the very same time of our 25th-250th anniversary?

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flak surveillance cameras degrade our protected privacy as the cameras are

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always on, continuously track and store everyone's detail to travel histories

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today. Over 250 towns and cities across the nation are suspending or removing

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their flak surveillance cameras. At least three Connecticut towns have recently

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suspended or begun to have their flaks surveillance cameras removed. Two of

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our nation's largest bedrock law enforcement states, Florida and Texas, have very recently

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ordered a halt to their state funding, revoked permits, and or ordered the flock cameras

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removal within 30 days.

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I urge our Clinton Town Council and Town Manager to follow the same course of action

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to immediately call for independent oversight of the flock cameras in data use, turning

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off the flock surveillance cameras, not funding the flock surveillance system when the present

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contract expires, and to order the flock surveillance cameras be removed as soon as possible.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I do want to just address that.

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I just want to let residents and encourage residents to know that the police commission

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would be the proper form to go and bring that concern.

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They're the ones that oversee it.

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they meet the second Monday at five o'clock at the police

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commission at the police department's community room.

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Thanks. Michelle, we don't hear you very well.

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And this is for any other public comment.

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So 20 James Lane, I'll be quick.

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I told you guys that I was going to file a lawsuit to have her removed.

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We're going to look to do it by mid October.

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Anybody who is in town and wants to sign on to it.

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You can find me on Facebook and sub-wall.

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Any other public comment?

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Mary Nunn, do you mind turning off that microphone

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just so we don't pick up anything?

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Thank you.

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Item number three on the agenda, approval of minutes.

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So I hear a motion to approve the minutes

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for the August 19th, 2026 meeting.

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Second?

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Second.

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Discussion?

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Abstain.

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Motion carries.

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Thank you.

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Next is appointments and reappointments.

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Item number four on the agenda,

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Amity Vies, Human Services Advisory Board

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for term until June 30th, 2029.

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Is Amity here?

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Yes.

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Yes, please.

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Thank you.

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I guess we are going to use the microphone.

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Amity Vies, I live at 13 Wildwood Park Road.

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Just looking to be appointed to the Human Services Advisory Board.

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Do you have any questions?

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Yeah, well if you could tell us a little more about yourself, your interest there or your

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qualification.

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Yeah, I'm naturally drawn to roles where I can be helpful to people and I have a lot

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of work and volunteer experience working with the various populations that human

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services help support.

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I've worked as in various roles with children and I've been a domestic violence advocate,

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a sexual assault crisis counselor, and I've worked in a few different roles with senior

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citizens in the community as well.

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Any questions from the council?

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Do I hear a motion to appoint MDVs to the Human Services Advisory Board for term until

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June 30th, 2029?

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Carrie Allen.

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Second?

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Second.

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Chris Ineskovich.

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No.

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I'm sorry.

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Oh, Brian. Sorry.

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Discussion? All in favor?

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Aye.

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Opposed? Staying? Motion carries. Thank you.

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Next is an appointment.

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Excuse me. Tell them to get sworn in.

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Oh, yeah. If you could go to the town clerk's office to be sworn in. Thank you.

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Not now.

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Not now. Yeah, they're not open now.

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They're not open tonight.

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John Vassallo for the zoning Board of Appeals alternate seat for term until November 2027.

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Tell us a little about yourself, your interest and your qualifications.

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Well I've been in the construction industry for about 45 years now.

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I live in town.

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I deal a lot with the different towns throughout the state as far as permitting, zoning

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and health department. My background is mainly in home improvements, residential

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construction, at one point held a building official license, it's expired now,

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also a letter-abatement license for the state of Connecticut as far

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Anybody on the council have any questions?

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Briefly, I did speak to Lori before I spoke to anyone else.

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I have a good idea. I'd like to know more.

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Do I hear a motion for John Vassallo to be appointed to the Zoning Board of Appeals Alternate Seat for term until November 2027?

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Second.

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Second.

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Chris Basanti.

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Discussion.

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Abstain.

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Motion carries.

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Thank you, John.

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Again, go to the town clerk to be sworn in.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next, appointments is park and rec commission, and we have four candidates for one vacancy.

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And we have a process that's a little different for us this time in that we, with four candidates

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under Connecticut state law, the candidates have the option to be interviewed in public

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or in executive session. And we have one candidate that's opted to be interviewed in

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public, and we'll do that. And then later in the meeting, we'll have executive session

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and we'll conduct the interviews with the other candidates at that time.

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Okay, so Patrick Shea, if you've come up, please.

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Yeah, yeah, we've passed them up, yep, yep.

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So we have, hey Patrick, welcome.

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Hello, how are you?

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For the Board of Park and Recreation Commission.

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And we have four candidates and we have standard questions that we ask

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or questions that we've often asked

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and we're going to ask the same questions of all candidates.

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And so we can, I guess I could say I'm on behalf of the council.

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These are questions from the council, but I'll say them out loud.

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The first question is what interests you in serving on this board or commission?

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What interests you in serving on this board or commission?

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This is Parker.

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Sure.

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What initially interested me was the quality of the facilities.

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and as I grew interested in the town and grew to watch town council meetings I

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started to get to know council members and the town and how it works and

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operates and that specific commission surprisingly post or when ARPA funds

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existed they there's a lot that could have been done and I know Chris is the

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liaison to the Parks and Rec Commission and I've listened to, I listened to this

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council at the end of the day and I see what you need from various boards and

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commissions and I'm a sports lover, I grew up playing sports, I grew up

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watching sports and I don't love the way youth sports is going in terms of

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private equity and the expensive side of things. And to me, sports should be fun, and

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the kids should have fun, and it should be affordable. And I think that all starts with

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the Parks and Rec Commission.

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Do you have any prior experience serving on a board or commission, any board or commission?

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No, I love that. This is the beginning for me. I want to get involved and I want to help

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serve my town.

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Are you able to commit to the regular meeting schedule and any additional responsibilities?

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Yes. I believe so. They're Tuesday nights, right? Or there are, that might conflict

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with the, I don't know, the EDC that I'm going for. I don't, the timing, I don't,

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So maybe not and how do you see the board of park and rec contributing to the

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overall well-being of the town I think when I look at kids these days and

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screens I think it's like incredibly important like to be outside and playing

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and I have a one-year-old myself and I he loves to play and that's like I

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I feel like that's what separates kids from screens,

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not to say screens are evil,

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but like playing and competition

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and that sort of,

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that's something I wanna be a part of facilitating.

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And my background is in communications

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and I think whether that's something that the board needs,

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it's something I'm good at,

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is outreach and getting people to join in

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and spread the word and participate.

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Great.

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Thank you.

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So those are the questions for Park and Rec.

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Can I quickly get confirmation, though, on the conflict,

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because I don't, from the timing of the meetings,

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if it's, I know that EDC is the second Tuesday of every month.

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When's Park and Rec?

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First.

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Okay.

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So it's achievable.

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Okay.

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All right, so as I said, for Park and Rec, we have three other candidates that are going

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to be in executive session later, and you're also a candidate for the one vacancy on economic

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development commission.

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And again, you've opted to have open session interview.

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There's another candidate for that one, and that person is also an executive session.

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So while you're here, why don't we do that one too?

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And the questions are the same.

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So if the town council feels this is the proper way to flow this, we'll ask

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you the questions again now for Economic Development Commission. So what

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interests you to serve on the Economic Development Commission?

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Ironically it it all started a little bit with my property taxes and

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understanding how the town works and and getting to know town various town

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council members and and trying to understand procedure and I guess the

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optics of everything and over time I started to review the POCD from early

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2000s and then I read the one in 2015 and again in 2025 and I after a lot of

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the goals as it as it pertains to economic development carry across all

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three POCDs but for the first time ever we have an incredible town planner

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and the real capacity to move it forward.

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And sometimes I feel like there's various gaps

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between communication between different boards and commissions, and I think I could be a

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a great asset to that communication crossover.

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I got very interested in, when it came to the EDC,

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a lot of it was about, and I've gone to the meetings

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as a member of the community since May.

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And I think when I looked at what they were doing

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and business outreach and getting business inventory

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and I would watch the town council meetings

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and I would see this request going back to even before our last town manager, this inventory

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has been requested. And I, although I'm not on the commission, I made strives to just put

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it together. And that took me to another level where I started thinking about, well, if

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we want more businesses downtown and we want more walkability, and this is the goal,

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Well, this is what the people want.

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Like, it's very much clear that the POCD let the people speak,

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and this is what they are asking for,

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and everyone signed off on it.

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So if that's the goal, I realize, well,

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if we want more businesses downtown,

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how can we do that unless we understand planning and zoning

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and what's possible?

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We can't do it if we don't know what's possible.

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We can't have a real fluid conversation if we don't know what's possible.

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So that's where I decided, and it took a lot of work to create sort of a prototype that

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allowed for the means of understanding what's possible.

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And I had it presented through the EDC to Council.

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And whether that's ultimately adopted or not, that's in the hands, I guess, of

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the town manager in the town and really the town planner too.

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But whether it is adopted or not, that's fine.

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I just want to participate.

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And I think I could be a great asset to the EDC.

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I've grown to meet and learn from some of them

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and understand the group and the people.

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I also understand there's alternates.

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So if any alternates want to step up and have

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the voting power and I would gladly give them that opportunity over me and I would be an

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alternate.

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Thank you.

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And yeah, that's all I need.

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Next question, we already know the answer to, do you have any prior experience serving

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on boards and commissions?

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You answered it, no, right?

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The item number three, are you able to commit to the regular meeting schedule?

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I think we just determined that, the answer is yes.

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And number four, how do you see this board commission contributing to the overall well-being

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of the town?

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You partially answered that in the first part, but if you have anything to add I think that

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Economic development means different things to a lot of different people and in some ways that

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People think that means we're looking for big box stores as for some people

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It means we just want economic vitality downtown. Well, we don't own any buildings

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So we can't dictate there's that side of it, too

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We can't take tell tell storefronts to update their properties and all that

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But we can do things like leverage the Andrews Memorial Theater and see if there's ways to

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bring in, not be the Kate, but bring in sort of utilize that facility in such a way that

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it was meant to be utilized.

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And there's ways to understand what business owners need downtown in order to be fruitful

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and successful.

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There's ways to connect our social presence and our communication system with the businesses

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and give them, where's the live music tonight?

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Nobody can answer that question and it shouldn't be on one business to promote only their

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live music.

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I think there's ways to get creative, leverage AI, leverage resources and really connect

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with our business downtown and the EDC is I know going back to even John Allen

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I've watched some of these videos and where the EDC's had ebbs and flows I

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know you hang grow on it for a while and I think especially with the coordinator

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now I think that it's a really poised committee to put forward some of these

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actions within the POCD. Thank you. That's that's the four questions just

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one other item to know for the council I think everybody on the

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Council received a letter from the chair of the Economic Development Commission recommending

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Patrick Shave for the position.

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That's all our questions.

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Thanks, Patrick.

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And back to the agenda.

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So the other candidates will be interviewed in executive session when we get to that

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item number.

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So we're on to item number five, Board of Education non-lapsing account.

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To use this, sir?

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if you if you hold it just for like two seconds or three seconds it goes on so

372
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you want me to use it there we go okay good evening thank you for allowing me

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to be here tonight at the August 17th Board of Education meeting as we closed

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out the year the board made a motion to authorize me to come and make a

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request to transfer $250,000 to a maximum of the total

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unexpended amount from the 2526 Board of Ed operating budget

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into the existing Board of Ed non-lapsing account

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established by the town.

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The board talked a lot about this.

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It does appear, as we're closing out our funds,

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that we have approximately $500,000 of unexpended funds.

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And there was a lot of discussion.

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The request was put that way out of respect for the town and the need for

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the council to make determinations as to best how to allocate that money.

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As you know, I was here in June.

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We had an unexpected capital project of the Joel Voila replacement,

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which was granted from the non-lapsing fund,

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which brought our fund balance down to 321,679.

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So the board is asking for a minimum of 250 to bring that back to a reasonable amount that would protect us,

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hopefully against an unexpected capital expenditure, or that fluctuation in special ed costs,

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which is the other policy reason for using the non-lapsing.

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So they worded that motion for the town council's consideration and out of respect for the fact that you have many other needs

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and can make that determination of the amount.

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Any questions from any council members?

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I just want to make clear.

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So you had a $500 surplus?

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$500,000. I believe it's unordinated.

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$506.

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Okay, roughly.

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And you're requesting to take half and put it in the last five?

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Yes.

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Okay, thank you.

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So I have a question related to the same, but I think it's the Bob.

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So there's a second motion here to transfer the final.

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That would be the residual.

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So if it's $500,000 and we're doing $250,000 to the non-lapsing fund, that means the rest,

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the other $250,000 would go to the Roads and Sidewalks Fund 66.

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How much goes there?

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Yes.

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It would be nice if, you know, there were any available funds in the budget that if

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this was approved, there would be another $250,000 available that we would get permission

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to transfer that $250,000 to the Roads Fund.

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So, under your agenda, item number five, there's two motions.

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One would be for the request of a minimum transfer of $250,000 to the maximum of the total

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unexpended amount for the 2025-2026 Board of Education operating budget into the existing

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Board of Education non-lapsing account established by the town.

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So the residual from last year, $250,000 into the non-lapsing fund.

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Right.

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Do I have a motion for that?

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So moved.

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Second?

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Second.

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Discussion?

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All in favor?

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Aye.

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Opposed?

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Motion carries unanimously.

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And now there's another motion to transfer from the

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Final BOE 2025-26, you're in available funds to the Road and Sidewalk Fund, Fund 66.

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So the excess funds that we didn't just put in the non-lapsing fund, whatever is left,

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that fund that we created for…

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Hang on the fund we created.

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So you're trying to say we're going to put it directly into that fund?

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Yes.

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I believe it has to go through the general fund first, possibly, because it's money

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coming from the Board of Education.

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Correct.

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It's got to go through probably the general fund before we distribute it out and wrap up

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General funds comprised of all the departments including the education department

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You should be able to

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Create a line item in the board of a budget court transfer out to other funds and I'm not denying that what I'm saying is

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Originally the motion shouldn't be made to go to to roads and motion should be made to go to general fund

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Okay, and then if we want to put it into that extra place wherever we want to land it we can land it

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But we their motion should not be to put it into a row

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I shouldn't take their money and put it into anything other than general fund

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That's a proper way to do it both those tonight

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So let's let's do that. So do we have a motion at them move it to from general fund to

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So do we have a motion to transfer from the final board of education 2025 2026 your end available funds to the general fund

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So moved

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Second? Second.

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Discussion? All in favor? Aye.

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Motion carries.

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So then at another meeting, we would do the other transfer.

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Okay. Because it's not on the agenda.

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So that's it for item number five.

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We're on to item number six on the agenda, landfill capping update.

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This is an update only, no actions.

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Hey Abby. Hello.

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So, just to bring everybody up to speed on where we are with the landfill, the Planning

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and Zoning Commission held a continued public hearing on Monday night of this week, and

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we'll be holding a special meeting on Monday, September 28th, potentially to close the

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public hearing and potentially act on the landfill application.

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So the anticipated potential conditional approval could happen on Monday.

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It seems so far that most members are favorable.

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Again, they will vote.

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that will be their decision, but I have been asked to start drafting a motion to that effect.

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In that motion, you know, one of the things that would potentially be considered would

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be the question of third party review, which we've already discussed with the town council.

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We have received two additional quotes and we're in the process right now. We received

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the last one today. They range from I believe $68,000 to $147,000. So the task right

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now is to make sure that we are comparing apples to apples in terms of the hours

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because there is such a wide span, we want to make sure that we're comparing apples to

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apples as that final decision of third-party review gets made, but we do have those quotes

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and we did go back and get that. So we'll keep you posted on what the best potential solution

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is for that. The commission could potentially just add a condition into a potential approval

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to say that third-party review will be required and the decision on that form would be

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deferred to Michelle in this group. So that's under review right now. The other

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Another piece that is also under review is one of their requests that LaRero has made

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of the Planning and Zoning Commission is to consider permitting the stoppiling of material

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according to their material acceptability protocol and the permissions that DEEP has

481
00:33:32,220 --> 00:33:37,900
already granted to enable up to 50,000 cubic yards of material to be brought onto the

482
00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:43,040
site before the individual closure permit, the actual large permit, is issued from

483
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:43,340
DEEP.

484
00:33:43,340 --> 00:33:46,080
So that's something that is, it's under review,

485
00:33:46,740 --> 00:33:48,940
LaRero has submitted a separate correspondence

486
00:33:49,450 --> 00:33:53,520
to the town essentially asking for that permission

487
00:33:54,010 --> 00:33:58,340
and identifying their assumption of liability

488
00:33:58,340 --> 00:34:00,360
so if there's any problem with those individual closure

489
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,260
pieces they would remove that material.

490
00:34:02,580 --> 00:34:04,280
For some reason there was a problem in the future

491
00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:05,700
which no one anticipates happening

492
00:34:05,700 --> 00:34:08,420
but they would certainly take that on.

493
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,620
That proposal from LaRero is under review

494
00:34:12,620 --> 00:34:14,600
by the town's consulting environmental attorney.

495
00:34:14,780 --> 00:34:16,460
So I don't have an update from that attorney

496
00:34:16,460 --> 00:34:19,120
that Memo just came in this Monday afternoon.

497
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,580
So it's all recent developments, all of them moving

498
00:34:23,580 --> 00:34:25,500
the project forward but I just wanted to let you know

499
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:28,320
that there's a potential decision on the horizon

500
00:34:29,220 --> 00:34:31,000
and additional attorney review,

501
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:32,520
the third party stuff is in

502
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,780
and we'll keep you posted as we go.

503
00:34:36,220 --> 00:34:37,020
Any questions?

504
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:38,960
So do you need to get another permit from Deep

505
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:39,720
to bring additional?

506
00:34:40,420 --> 00:34:40,660
Correct.

507
00:34:40,660 --> 00:34:42,860
All right, so the permitting that's been done by DEAP,

508
00:34:42,940 --> 00:34:44,200
there's the stormwater construction permit,

509
00:34:44,300 --> 00:34:45,940
so the sediment and erosion controls is in place,

510
00:34:46,120 --> 00:34:47,340
and the other piece that they've done

511
00:34:47,340 --> 00:34:49,500
is they've approved the material acceptability protocol,

512
00:34:49,500 --> 00:34:52,600
which says we agree with the standards of testing

513
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,160
that you have identified for the material

514
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:56,920
and the thresholds of what chemical

515
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:58,720
or what components might be in that fill

516
00:34:58,720 --> 00:34:59,700
when it comes on to site.

517
00:34:59,880 --> 00:35:01,440
So that part is approved,

518
00:35:01,720 --> 00:35:02,940
and as part of that,

519
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,460
DEAP issued an authorization to say,

520
00:35:05,580 --> 00:35:06,720
we understand that you're proposing

521
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:09,280
around 132,000 cubic yards of material

522
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:13,580
material to be graded and placed in specific locations according to your grading plan,

523
00:35:13,940 --> 00:35:17,960
we're still reviewing that part. That's that closure permit, that final ability to place

524
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,960
the material where they want to place it. What they've given permission for is to say,

525
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,760
while we're in that review period, you could bring on up to 50,000 cubic yards of material.

526
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:31,700
That work hasn't started because they haven't gone through the full local permitting process

527
00:35:31,700 --> 00:35:34,620
yet, so they don't have P&Z approval. They do have wetlands approval, but not

528
00:35:34,620 --> 00:35:35,040
not P&Z.

529
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,540
So what their request is would be for P&Z to essentially make a finding that it would

530
00:35:40,540 --> 00:35:46,960
be acceptable subject to town attorney review of their proposal for liability purposes to

531
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,120
say, look, we'll let you bring that material on.

532
00:35:49,460 --> 00:35:53,200
We all anticipate this is coming in terms of a final closure and grading permit.

533
00:35:53,720 --> 00:35:56,940
But again, until that time comes, the town doesn't want to accept material that we

534
00:35:56,940 --> 00:35:57,900
don't have a final permit for.

535
00:35:58,220 --> 00:36:01,700
So the question for the attorney is, are we okay in that interim space?

536
00:36:01,700 --> 00:36:06,440
So we just notify deep that it's been approved by the town and then deep fine like they don't have to do another review

537
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:12,700
Deep is in the process of reviewing the actual individual closure like the grading plan and their order of operations

538
00:36:12,700 --> 00:36:14,800
Where and how they're going to track material on site

539
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:19,400
They're doing their final review of this deep has been in this process with them for as you know multiple years

540
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:21,060
And so pearl or arrow

541
00:36:21,060 --> 00:36:26,360
They believe that they will be receiving approval within the next several weeks for this individual closure permit

542
00:36:26,360 --> 00:36:27,680
So that it's not far off

543
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,540
But the Planning and Zoning Commission is likely to be asked to vote before that permit is in hand.

544
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,040
And so I think Gloria was trying to say, listen, if that permit from deep is delayed to four weeks, six weeks,

545
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:41,880
but we know it's coming, would the town be okay with material coming onto site?

546
00:36:42,060 --> 00:36:45,800
Not to exceed the 50,000 that deep has already permitted, but would we be okay with that?

547
00:36:46,260 --> 00:36:48,240
And so that's the question being asked of the Planning and Zoning Commission.

548
00:36:48,380 --> 00:36:50,480
So there's no oversight by deep on that process?

549
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:56,080
So the field that's coming in prior to any of the final approvals, so deep is fine with that?

550
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,200
Deep is fine with that 15,000 cubic yards, yes.

551
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,540
Any other questions?

552
00:37:04,940 --> 00:37:05,340
Thanks, Abby.

553
00:37:07,380 --> 00:37:09,160
She can stay there because she's going to talk about the ship.

554
00:37:09,460 --> 00:37:09,760
Okay.

555
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:10,440
Thanks.

556
00:37:10,500 --> 00:37:16,260
So we have item 789, I think, 789 might be used.

557
00:37:16,460 --> 00:37:17,240
789, Abby.

558
00:37:17,620 --> 00:37:17,880
Okay.

559
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,260
So tell us more about the, well, you've told us already about the ship grant application.

560
00:37:22,940 --> 00:37:27,380
Yep, so this is just a request to formalize authorizing Michelle to apply on behalf of

561
00:37:27,380 --> 00:37:32,860
the town for the $400,000 ship grant for the dredging project of the town Marina Basin

562
00:37:33,500 --> 00:37:36,960
with the town's $600,000 match in funds that already exist.

563
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,480
And I think we've given you a line number here.

564
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:45,080
And essentially the $400,000 would go to cover two things in the way that we're

565
00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:45,780
drafting this grant.

566
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:50,640
One is biological testing of the sediment material that's in the basin today to

567
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,260
make sure that we understand what the disposal path will be for it whether

568
00:37:53,260 --> 00:37:56,660
that is open water disposal or land-based disposal so there's some

569
00:37:56,660 --> 00:37:59,060
additional testing that the Army Corps will require for that which is an

570
00:37:59,060 --> 00:38:03,560
eligible covered cost in this grant which is lovely because that was I think we

571
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:05,940
didn't anticipate that we would have to do that extra testing so this is a

572
00:38:05,940 --> 00:38:09,200
great opportunity that the ship grant is coming forward when it is and the

573
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,100
rest of it would go to the direct cost of judging the mechanical removal of

574
00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:18,600
the sentiment. Any questions? Do I hear a motion to authorize the town

575
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,120
manager to apply for the Connecticut Port Authority for a small harbor improvements

576
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:28,020
project program, round six grant to support dredging of the town marina in the amount

577
00:38:28,020 --> 00:38:36,560
of $400,000 and authorized use of $600,000 committed in line 604.165-59.865 dredging

578
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:40,840
to fund the town's matching portion of the project.

579
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:46,620
So a motion by Kerry, second by, do I hear a second?

580
00:38:46,940 --> 00:38:47,080
Second.

581
00:38:47,660 --> 00:38:48,080
Thanks.

582
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:48,180
Thanks.

583
00:38:48,340 --> 00:38:48,780
Discussion?

584
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:50,640
All in favor?

585
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:52,280
Opposed?

586
00:38:53,240 --> 00:38:53,680
Abstain?

587
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:55,340
Motion carries.

588
00:38:56,540 --> 00:38:56,900
Thank you.

589
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,020
Item 8, protect grant application.

590
00:39:01,720 --> 00:39:05,860
So this is an opportunity that is one of those grants that comes out and we have a very,

591
00:39:05,900 --> 00:39:09,240
very short time to consider responding to it and determine whether or not the town

592
00:39:09,240 --> 00:39:11,060
is going to put in a potential application.

593
00:39:11,740 --> 00:39:16,280
So the protect grant is a funding stream through the U.S. Department of Transportation

594
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:21,260
transportation and the Federal Highway Administration called Promoting Resilient Operations for Transformative,

595
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:29,020
Efficient, and Cost-Saving Transportation Projects. So surface transportation roads and trying to look at the resiliency

596
00:39:29,020 --> 00:39:36,020
and sort of long-term provision of service of those roads relative to things like flooding, excessive rainfall,

597
00:39:36,620 --> 00:39:43,020
all of those things that could potentially interrupt. What we've done is we went through our four-shore coastal resiliency plan,

598
00:39:43,020 --> 00:39:47,480
plan, the plan of conservation and development, and a hazard mitigation plan, Michelle, Todd,

599
00:39:47,660 --> 00:39:51,020
Mike Neff and I sat down and said, okay, what potential projects might we have that could

600
00:39:51,020 --> 00:39:55,180
be a match for this, and we should at least have the conversation of whether or not we'd

601
00:39:55,180 --> 00:39:56,100
like to apply for funds.

602
00:39:56,720 --> 00:40:04,280
So when we went through the most potentially competitive project would be to assess the

603
00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:10,380
condition and vulnerability of Causeway, Shore Road, and Hammock Road, so looking

604
00:40:10,380 --> 00:40:17,540
looking at that coastal stretch from a perspective of neighborhood access, viability of evacuation

605
00:40:17,540 --> 00:40:23,680
routes, making sure that we understand sort of what the modeling and threats to those

606
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:29,100
facilities are in greater detail and talk about pre-planning, pre-engineering, and

607
00:40:29,100 --> 00:40:32,640
cost-benefit analysis for potential future construction projects.

608
00:40:33,060 --> 00:40:34,780
So I want to make it clear, this is a planning grant.

609
00:40:34,780 --> 00:40:41,620
It is a 100% reimbursable grant that we would be going for to go through activities like

610
00:40:41,620 --> 00:40:45,300
the existing conditions assessment, climate modeling and vulnerability analysis that takes

611
00:40:45,300 --> 00:40:49,880
us beyond what the foreshore plan did, 3D visualization models to help people understand

612
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:54,280
where the flooding might be and how it may affect into the future, engineering feasibility

613
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:58,920
conceptual designs, some environmental review, preliminary cost estimates, cost benefit

614
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,740
analysis, stakeholder engagement and final reporting.

615
00:41:01,740 --> 00:41:08,020
And the goal here is to move some of the projects out of this adopted foreshore plan and hazard

616
00:41:08,020 --> 00:41:13,700
mitigation and POCD to shovel ready because we talk about this a lot where we need to be able

617
00:41:13,700 --> 00:41:19,100
to find ways to advance projects. This is not committing the town to any one particular fix.

618
00:41:19,380 --> 00:41:23,160
We're not saying we're elevating causeway by 10 feet. That is not what this is for.

619
00:41:23,300 --> 00:41:28,000
This is to say what are the most reasonable cost-effective methods that now and into

620
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,760
the future, looking at the next 50 years of anticipated impacts, might we want to plan

621
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:37,780
for, fund, look for construction dollars, and prioritize our projects going forward.

622
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:43,000
We are not currently eligible for the actual construction funds anyway because we don't

623
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,460
have these pieces in place and also we need some regional planning around this as well.

624
00:41:46,860 --> 00:41:52,840
But this would position us for this future funding from other protect money or other

625
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:54,260
grant sources that may become available.

626
00:41:54,260 --> 00:41:59,200
So the ask would be up to $600,000 for that sort of scope of work.

627
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:02,700
Again, it's a pretty decent stretch of our coastline to sort of say how does this function

628
00:42:03,240 --> 00:42:09,020
and what can we do to, whether it's through nature-based solutions, drainage improvements,

629
00:42:09,420 --> 00:42:13,040
limited road raising, those kinds of things would be the types of things we would be analyzing.

630
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:15,120
So it's an opportunity.

631
00:42:15,540 --> 00:42:19,120
We wanted to run it by you and see whether or not there are questions, concerns.

632
00:42:19,460 --> 00:42:22,060
If there's interest, it's due October 9th.

633
00:42:22,060 --> 00:42:24,300
So it's a really fast turnaround,

634
00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:26,560
which is why you're being asked to think about something

635
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:28,400
the same night we're bringing it up for the first time.

636
00:42:28,660 --> 00:42:29,860
And a lot of times these grants just,

637
00:42:29,940 --> 00:42:30,640
they move that quickly.

638
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,600
And so we just didn't wanna miss an opportunity

639
00:42:32,600 --> 00:42:33,240
if you were amenable.

640
00:42:33,740 --> 00:42:36,840
So you said it was 100% reimbursable,

641
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:39,180
so we would have to put the money up front?

642
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:40,240
We would put the money out

643
00:42:40,240 --> 00:42:41,340
and get the money reimbursed.

644
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,060
And how quickly has that reimbursement happened?

645
00:42:44,560 --> 00:42:44,820
Maybe Bob?

646
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:47,360
So yeah, for federal dollars coming back in,

647
00:42:47,460 --> 00:42:47,780
I mean the ones,

648
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:50,460
the state federal partnership programs have been very quick.

649
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:55,360
I don't have familiarity. I've not done a protect grant before so I'm not sure how you know

650
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,700
If we're talking weeks or a month or what that looks like

651
00:42:59,860 --> 00:43:04,480
Any other questions from the council? I mean to look into something like that. Where would we be coming up with the money?

652
00:43:07,110 --> 00:43:10,850
You mean other than from this grant or I mean you have to put the money out in order to get the grant

653
00:43:10,850 --> 00:43:16,170
So I mean where are we coming up with four hundred thousand six six hundred thousand. I mean that's the biggest question

654
00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,540
Depends on the the amount of the grant

655
00:43:21,580 --> 00:43:23,980
We're talking about $1 million, $2 million,

656
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,980
so we're talking about $10 million, up to $600, I guess?

657
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:29,980
Yeah, so the preliminary budget that I started putting together

658
00:43:29,980 --> 00:43:32,020
and I'm working with the town engineer before, you know,

659
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:34,080
if we were going to go forward is around $585,

660
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:36,440
but there could be other costs associated with that.

661
00:43:36,700 --> 00:43:38,580
These aren't inexpensive things to do.

662
00:43:38,940 --> 00:43:40,740
And we could certainly scale back a scope,

663
00:43:41,180 --> 00:43:42,900
but we wanted to, if we were going to put something out,

664
00:43:42,960 --> 00:43:44,100
wanted to be competitive under their budget.

665
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:47,500
So the question is, our budget is fixed until June 30th,

666
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:54,200
2027, would if we were going to get this money, would it happen before then or could we then

667
00:43:54,200 --> 00:43:56,980
go put it in our budget and our next, we would do it in the future?

668
00:43:56,980 --> 00:44:03,800
If it was a $500,000 grant, it would be funded by borrowing from fund balance.

669
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,800
When the grant comes in, it goes right back into fund balance.

670
00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:10,080
So we're not using fund balance, we're borrowing from fund balance.

671
00:44:10,340 --> 00:44:11,700
$500,000, it would be good.

672
00:44:11,700 --> 00:44:15,660
So when you have the receivable, if you are awarded the grant from the federal

673
00:44:15,660 --> 00:44:19,820
government and you have a contractual obligation from them to pay us, then would you count that

674
00:44:19,820 --> 00:44:22,480
money in your fund balance so you wouldn't fall below the 20%?

675
00:44:23,300 --> 00:44:23,660
No.

676
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,820
No, because the fund balance isn't actually decreased.

677
00:44:27,260 --> 00:44:30,700
It's the catch that's being used and you're just barring it.

678
00:44:30,980 --> 00:44:32,740
So we wouldn't fall below the 20%?

679
00:44:32,780 --> 00:44:33,180
You wouldn't.

680
00:44:33,460 --> 00:44:38,860
But a question with that, following that, designated or undesignated, does it need

681
00:44:38,860 --> 00:44:44,280
to be designated outside of unassigned fund balance in order to be eligible for a

682
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,800
shovel ready project if awarded I mean shovel ready project means shovel

683
00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:52,620
ready we're ready to go with that money would money is authorized it's a sign

684
00:44:52,620 --> 00:44:56,940
not unassigned fund balance so I try to understand how he wouldn't count it

685
00:44:56,940 --> 00:44:59,980
against the 20% or you know wherever we're gonna get

686
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:07,100
It's just, it's an accounting entry. We use it every day. It's basically due-to-do from,

687
00:45:07,300 --> 00:45:13,760
it's borrowing from a grant fund, borrowing from the general fund. Fund bounce itself in

688
00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:21,980
the accounting entries is not reduced. It's just borrowing. So fund bounce is not debited

689
00:45:21,980 --> 00:45:22,580
or credited.

690
00:45:23,100 --> 00:45:27,500
In order to apply for the grant, you don't need authorization or appropriating the money

691
00:45:27,500 --> 00:45:28,720
in order to apply for it.

692
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:29,780
But awarded.

693
00:45:30,100 --> 00:45:30,580
That's a question.

694
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,780
But we have to come back to you to accept it anyway.

695
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,800
So we don't know if we're even going to get it.

696
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,320
So to approve us to at least go for it, then it has to come back to you if we get approved.

697
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,180
And then the conversation can be, are we comfortable doing it the way that Bob's explaining

698
00:45:46,180 --> 00:45:46,700
to do it?

699
00:45:47,060 --> 00:45:52,320
The problem is that if we don't do it this way, we're never going to be applying

700
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:55,720
for grants because we're always going to need to put something out and we don't

701
00:45:55,720 --> 00:46:01,020
have a fund established where every year you're putting a set amount of money away to build

702
00:46:01,020 --> 00:46:06,140
it up that we can use on a rotation to apply for opportunities like this.

703
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:06,540
Well, that's us.

704
00:46:06,700 --> 00:46:11,940
This question, then, if we do get the grant, if it's awarded to us, and then we find ourselves

705
00:46:11,940 --> 00:46:15,380
in a pickle that we're not going to get reimbursed for two years and we have to

706
00:46:15,380 --> 00:46:19,020
come up with $500,000 and we decide we don't want to do that, can we reject the grant

707
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:20,500
after it's been awarded to us?

708
00:46:21,980 --> 00:46:23,640
You could not after you accept it, though.

709
00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:24,040
I mean.

710
00:46:24,740 --> 00:46:28,780
Right, we have to have the conversation about once it's

711
00:46:28,780 --> 00:46:32,320
once if we get approved for it then it comes back and we have a

712
00:46:32,320 --> 00:46:36,900
conversation and Bob identifies a plan for this is a pool of money

713
00:46:36,900 --> 00:46:41,160
that we could use that is not going to be used for a few years

714
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:45,020
or can sit there and we can reverse it.

715
00:46:45,340 --> 00:46:46,140
I have a question.

716
00:46:46,580 --> 00:46:50,180
What percentage are we above an unassigned fund balance?

717
00:46:50,700 --> 00:46:51,160
21%.

718
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:55,260
And that 1%, what does that give us to our item, obviously our policy?

719
00:46:55,460 --> 00:46:55,980
About a million.

720
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:02,620
So if we're there in that piece, then ultimately we could reallocate that and assign that towards this grant, that amount.

721
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,160
I don't know, what's the amount?

722
00:47:04,380 --> 00:47:05,860
How many dollars is that 1%?

723
00:47:07,540 --> 00:47:09,040
You got a million, you're packaging it.

724
00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:09,420
It's about a million.

725
00:47:09,780 --> 00:47:10,480
Oh, is it that much?

726
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:12,560
I mean, we should probably have exact numbers if we're going to, I mean.

727
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:16,800
Yeah, but ultimately we can authorize based on that because we're not going below the 20%.

728
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:23,360
I'm admitted it's showing at 1.260, unassigned 14221, 21%, but I mean, there's no, you know.

729
00:47:25,160 --> 00:47:28,500
I mean, at some point we've got to realize that we're in a position to go for these grants.

730
00:47:28,580 --> 00:47:30,120
I understand that if we don't get them, we'll never get them.

731
00:47:30,260 --> 00:47:32,220
I'm all about it, because the money's there.

732
00:47:32,420 --> 00:47:36,600
But I mean, we also have to be in a strong position financially as a town to make sure

733
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,840
that the money's there so that, let's just say we take money out of the undesignated

734
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:41,120
fund balance, okay?

735
00:47:41,460 --> 00:47:44,440
And then, I don't know, something happens in town, right?

736
00:47:44,440 --> 00:47:49,200
right, whether something happens in the town has to pay for that, then we're dead, because

737
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:52,560
we're going well under 20% because we have to pay for that up front before we get refunded

738
00:47:52,560 --> 00:47:52,960
from FEMA.

739
00:47:53,620 --> 00:47:58,540
So, I mean, I understand the concept of doing this and getting this, but the fact is that

740
00:47:58,540 --> 00:48:03,360
you still have to be in a financial position in order to make sure that if something

741
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,140
else does happen in town that we're still covering ourselves.

742
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:11,440
And the closer we get to that 20 threshold and we have a policy, I mean, what do

743
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:11,700
we do?

744
00:48:11,700 --> 00:48:21,680
And the other thing to think about is that's a large grant that we have to put money out

745
00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:23,560
for 100% reimbursable.

746
00:48:23,860 --> 00:48:33,060
Are there better grants or grants that are more worthwhile for this town to meet a greater

747
00:48:33,060 --> 00:48:34,220
need than that?

748
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:40,180
And I'm not trying to put down what you said, but from what you described to me, sounds

749
00:48:40,180 --> 00:48:46,280
like a nice to have rather than you know some of the other stuff that I've heard come down

750
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,120
the pike so just something else to think about.

751
00:48:49,340 --> 00:48:53,180
Another way we could look at it is that is a tremendous part of our grand list that area.

752
00:48:55,660 --> 00:48:58,900
It's a very important part of real estate to our town.

753
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:07,920
They pay a lot of our taxes and we need to probably work on sustainability in that

754
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:16,760
area, water rise, we don't want to lose that. We have to think about it. We got a grant with

755
00:49:16,760 --> 00:49:21,080
Old Saybrook and Westbrook and spent a year and a half working on how it is that we're

756
00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,840
going to save ourselves from the water and then we don't try. That doesn't look good.

757
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:33,200
It's fully reimbursable. I don't think nobody's arguing that. I think the biggest piece

758
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:39,120
to me, and we do a ton of federal grant work, is once you apply, and if you get it, if you

759
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:42,120
ever give it back, that's bad for grants for the federal side.

760
00:49:42,120 --> 00:49:43,100
I would never suggest that.

761
00:49:43,100 --> 00:49:47,420
So my point is, and it comes right back to money, right, like if we don't have the

762
00:49:47,420 --> 00:49:51,800
match or our cost to put up front assigned and saying, hey, we're comfortable with

763
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:57,300
this with an existing funding, then I agree, this is the first time we've ever heard

764
00:49:57,300 --> 00:50:01,260
about this grant, is this the right grant, right, or maybe we should look at grants

765
00:50:01,260 --> 00:50:04,760
grants as a whole, what are we setting aside? Because there's a ton of grants out there.

766
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:10,040
But which grants are the ones that we're most interested in? I think, you know, having

767
00:50:10,040 --> 00:50:14,100
a limited time to look at this, it'd be tough to make a decision to commit funding behind

768
00:50:14,100 --> 00:50:16,920
those things. I'm just, that's me, but...

769
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:19,520
We just don't have a lot of time, so I guess...

770
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:20,420
Well, let's always...

771
00:50:20,420 --> 00:50:20,760
The problem...

772
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:21,060
Go ahead.

773
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:22,580
I'm sorry, I didn't want to interrupt you.

774
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:23,180
Go right ahead.

775
00:50:24,180 --> 00:50:29,000
I mean, that seems to be always our problem. We're always given these things at the

776
00:50:29,000 --> 00:50:29,480
deadlines.

777
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:36,580
We don't get a chance to think about it. So when do you have to send it in by?

778
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,880
So October 9th.

779
00:50:38,900 --> 00:50:45,420
That goes by our next meeting because I was going to suggest at least we table it to the next meeting and we think about it.

780
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:50,500
We can't talk about it for a week or two and then come back, but we don't have that time.

781
00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,380
We're always, I don't know why we're always under the gun.

782
00:50:53,660 --> 00:50:54,680
Well, when do we get the brand?

783
00:50:54,680 --> 00:50:55,840
Every single time.

784
00:50:56,160 --> 00:50:58,020
Last week. It came in the email.

785
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:03,600
No, I mean, it's not that we're not looking and just seems these things drop

786
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:09,060
out of the sky and we have to make a decision like Mike says right now you

787
00:51:09,060 --> 00:51:14,080
don't know all the facts you know you're not prepared with your mind

788
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:19,260
mentally to but okay no it's a lot and I trust I do not like coming before

789
00:51:19,260 --> 00:51:22,200
this body without you know plenty of time to give you a chance to think

790
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:24,660
about it at one meeting and ask again at the next but we didn't want the

791
00:51:24,660 --> 00:51:27,460
opportunity to pass by without you having the chance to talk about it

792
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:33,520
But the question I would have is if there is a more limited scope or if there is a budget

793
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:39,820
number in your minds that would be more palatable that we build a scope around, or is this just

794
00:51:39,820 --> 00:51:41,840
too much of an ask without the financial?

795
00:51:42,120 --> 00:51:44,060
So that's another dimension that you said.

796
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:45,440
It doesn't have to be 600,000.

797
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:46,180
It could be something else.

798
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,980
That's sort of the saying, look, this is what's in the plans, this whole sort

799
00:51:49,980 --> 00:51:54,240
of stretch of road, but do we talk about the low sort of saying we're going to

800
00:51:54,240 --> 00:51:57,200
we're going to limit this to either the low points of shore or we're going to limit this

801
00:51:57,200 --> 00:52:01,940
to causeway or something smaller scope and take out, you know, two-thirds of the ask.

802
00:52:01,980 --> 00:52:06,720
That's one element. I'm not sure how competitive it would be, but it is an opportunity to think

803
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:11,300
about. But again, I understand we're asking this on the fly and that's a tough place

804
00:52:11,300 --> 00:52:11,860
to put people.

805
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:20,560
Or do you think that this is not an area that you want? Again, we get opportunities

806
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:25,940
for grants. When we get them, we huddle, we try to brainstorm and see what we can do.

807
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:32,000
This is a quick turnaround and it's a lot to ask because we also need a consultant to give

808
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:38,160
us ballpark figures on prices. So it's not just us turning it around. We have to wait

809
00:52:38,160 --> 00:52:44,840
for outside help. With that being said, is this an area that the council feels we

810
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:49,980
should be doing we should be putting some grant money towards or to Chris's

811
00:52:49,980 --> 00:52:56,000
point should we not and just be focusing on something else I don't know I would

812
00:52:56,480 --> 00:53:00,800
say that we should be pursuing grants and bringing them to the table for us to

813
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:06,020
discuss just like we are now okay the only issue is the time compressed time

814
00:53:06,020 --> 00:53:10,880
the press timetable and that's just by the nature of this particular grant yes

815
00:53:11,340 --> 00:53:16,540
I think this is in line with the town council's strategic objectives that we talked about.

816
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:17,600
It's in line with the POCD.

817
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:18,800
It's in line with the foreshore plan.

818
00:53:19,580 --> 00:53:24,160
My question was going to be, do you believe that going in at that level makes us the

819
00:53:24,160 --> 00:53:25,780
most competitive going in for this grant?

820
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:31,300
I think we will be competing against regional projects that have perhaps higher priorities

821
00:53:31,300 --> 00:53:32,020
for planning dollars.

822
00:53:32,200 --> 00:53:35,720
So I think we are probably in the mid-range of competition from the conversations that

823
00:53:35,720 --> 00:53:41,080
I've had with our consultant for the POCD who deals with these grants routinely.

824
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:47,320
I have not heard of any other immediately like very hyper-local regional stuff.

825
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,660
So I'm not aware of another town going for similar projects right now or any of the towns

826
00:53:51,660 --> 00:53:53,960
that we've been participating with and other planning efforts.

827
00:53:54,380 --> 00:53:57,640
I don't believe COG is at this point submitting anything in particular.

828
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:02,020
So for our sort of micro region in the lower Connecticut River Valley, I think

829
00:54:02,020 --> 00:54:03,360
that would make us a little bit more competitive.

830
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:09,620
But you know, but again, it's I think the I think it's a hundred thousand dollars to ten million dollars

831
00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:12,480
It's sort of the range of planning grant money that where they allocate

832
00:54:12,480 --> 00:54:16,960
So we're on the lower end of the things that they allocate for but they these are also

833
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:22,780
You know there's there's millions and millions of dollars at stake here and a lot of those projects will take up millions and millions of dollars

834
00:54:22,780 --> 00:54:25,620
That's how we're asking for we're on the smaller side anyway, so

835
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:30,300
You know if we were to cut it in half or or two-thirds there may make it

836
00:54:30,820 --> 00:54:34,660
easier to fund because it is smaller but the reach will not be as far so it's

837
00:54:34,660 --> 00:54:38,460
just done Mike is this an annual grant it comes around I don't know if it comes

838
00:54:38,460 --> 00:54:42,340
around every single year but it has it has been I don't know if it came out

839
00:54:42,340 --> 00:54:45,800
last year I think it was the year before but I will so if it's an annual

840
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,740
grant and we target October or its target data release next year for 26

841
00:54:49,740 --> 00:54:54,080
or 27 money it might be a good idea to take that whatever we planned on

842
00:54:54,080 --> 00:54:58,180
planning on look at the full 10th content of what the grants for and

843
00:54:58,180 --> 00:55:01,960
and then maybe bridge those gaps or talk about what gaps it's going to bridge for us as a town.

844
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,240
I mean, and then that way it gives us time in the planning side to make sure that it's in the budget

845
00:55:06,240 --> 00:55:08,700
for the monies there based on what you see as a need.

846
00:55:09,980 --> 00:55:10,840
That sounds good.

847
00:55:11,660 --> 00:55:14,820
We're telling you what we could do for all grants and sort of have a sort of a rolling list.

848
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:17,940
Chris, I mean that's exactly that.

849
00:55:18,060 --> 00:55:20,960
That's a plan in place that we have going forward. We have something in place.

850
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,260
I don't think anybody's denying that this is an area that needs to be worked on.

851
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:27,120
I think we all, anybody who lives here, understands where we have these issues

852
00:55:27,120 --> 00:55:29,220
and we need to do something to help these issues.

853
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,600
The issue is that we're making a decision

854
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:35,080
without any rhyme or reason to where the money's coming from.

855
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,720
Like, oh, we have it, it's here, we have it, it's there,

856
00:55:37,800 --> 00:55:38,800
we'll borrow from here, we'll borrow from there.

857
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,040
For me personally, I wanna know exactly where it's coming from

858
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:42,700
and where the money's coming from to cover.

859
00:55:42,980 --> 00:55:44,920
We have a budget in place right now that we've passed

860
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:47,680
and so now it's just like, well, if we go to here

861
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,060
and we borrow from here, we take from there.

862
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,240
You know, that's not my kind of thing to agree with.

863
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:53,960
That's not, I think, fiscally responsible

864
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,080
in order to do those types of things.

865
00:55:56,080 --> 00:56:01,260
I think it needs to be something that there's a plan in place and I think this is a I mean if it's an annual project that we have these

866
00:56:01,260 --> 00:56:04,560
Things in place. I mean we're sitting at a meeting. We're talking about it is a great idea

867
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:07,080
It's great idea, but we're not talking about everything else

868
00:56:07,080 --> 00:56:12,140
They're still four to six hundred thousand dollars that the town needs to come up with and if we're going to keep tapping that on

869
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:17,640
Undesignated fund balance without knowing exactly how much is available to us and something does happen in this town

870
00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:19,220
Well, then we're in a big problem

871
00:56:19,220 --> 00:56:20,420
We go under 20%

872
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:23,720
Then we have issues with the auditors because they're going to come back and they're going to lower our

873
00:56:23,720 --> 00:56:27,000
bond rating because that's what they've agreed to that's what we've agreed to so

874
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:30,120
it's a bigger picture I mean understand the grants we talk about it a lot

875
00:56:30,120 --> 00:56:33,660
they're available and they always available I mean it's just a matter of

876
00:56:33,660 --> 00:56:36,960
do they come at the right time for us to be able to grab them sometimes it's

877
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:39,400
not so it's not always the opportune time

878
00:56:39,920 --> 00:56:45,600
thanks Brian at the 21% are designated fund balance right now we do have that

879
00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:49,800
amount of money to be able to still stay above 20% which is a goal that we

880
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:53,760
set for ourselves, not that the bond rate that was 50%.

881
00:56:53,760 --> 00:56:55,120
But that's the reason why we set that,

882
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,280
because they came to us and they said

883
00:56:57,280 --> 00:57:00,140
they would have a stronger bond rating if we went to 20%.

884
00:57:00,140 --> 00:57:01,520
If I have the floor, can I hold this?

885
00:57:02,620 --> 00:57:07,120
We set that goal for ourselves, because if something happens,

886
00:57:07,220 --> 00:57:09,240
then we have that extra 5% to pay

887
00:57:09,240 --> 00:57:10,980
for that catastrophic storm that happens.

888
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,960
Because we were afraid with the current uncertainty

889
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:16,680
in the federal government that it would take a long time

890
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:17,660
to get reimbursed for FEMA.

891
00:57:17,780 --> 00:57:19,080
If we ever got FEMA reassistance,

892
00:57:19,080 --> 00:57:22,080
We would still have that there in the 20 percent.

893
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:23,700
Thank you.

894
00:57:24,260 --> 00:57:26,760
Anybody else have any other comments?

895
00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:29,860
I have one comment to add.

896
00:57:30,080 --> 00:57:35,100
As Brian mentioned, we've asked specifically through the POCD

897
00:57:35,100 --> 00:57:36,980
and now through our goals and our mission statement

898
00:57:36,980 --> 00:57:38,920
and our mission statement to pursue grants

899
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:40,280
and you guys are doing that.

900
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:41,360
And that's what we asked you to do.

901
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:43,380
And that's now it's before us to decide

902
00:57:43,380 --> 00:57:44,880
whether or not we want to take it or not.

903
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:46,000
That's a different issue.

904
00:57:46,100 --> 00:57:46,860
You guys did your job.

905
00:57:46,860 --> 00:57:48,000
Thank you for doing what you did.

906
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:54,640
So with that, if there's no other further comments on this, I'll ask, is there a motion

907
00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:58,300
to authorize a town manager to apply for a U.S. Department of Transportation slash

908
00:57:58,300 --> 00:58:02,620
Federal Highway Administration, promoting resilience operations for transformative,

909
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:07,200
efficient, and cost-saving transportation, reimbursable planning grant in the amount

910
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:12,240
of $600,000 for planning, vulnerability assets, and the pre-design activities to

911
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:17,220
increase resiliency for the Causeway, Shore Road, and Hammock Road. Do I hear a

912
00:58:17,220 --> 00:58:25,860
motion? Second? Second. All in favor? Discussion? I'm sorry, discussion. Yeah. I

913
00:58:25,860 --> 00:58:31,240
would just make one comment. If you're gonna do it, I would have hoped that you

914
00:58:31,240 --> 00:58:36,500
would have reduced it down to about maybe $200,000 or maybe even $100,000. I

915
00:58:36,500 --> 00:58:43,640
agree with Kerry we have to get started to show good faith with other towns that

916
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:49,260
we're involved with but I can't see going the whole 600 that's just my my

917
00:58:49,260 --> 00:59:00,840
two cents so the motion is for this 600,000 so to reduce what you've got a

918
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:06,060
motion on the floor mr. Chairman you're right thanks yes Mike I would ask to

919
00:59:06,060 --> 00:59:10,300
potentially amend the motion to also include the funding mechanism of where it's going

920
00:59:10,300 --> 00:59:14,780
to be funded within the budget. And the same thing, considering this is our first year

921
00:59:14,780 --> 00:59:19,660
and we first found out about it now, and we won't have another meeting for us to really

922
00:59:19,660 --> 00:59:25,280
do some research and ask some more questions, I would be a little bit more conservative

923
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:29,580
about, you know, putting out the whole amount and then also to ask that the amount

924
00:59:29,580 --> 00:59:31,980
and where it's going to come from within the existing budget.

925
00:59:31,980 --> 00:59:37,200
So we have a motion to amend the motion to a dollar amount different than $600,000?

926
00:59:37,660 --> 00:59:38,740
What dollar amount are you saying?

927
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,900
No, my recommendation is the motion's amended to amend it.

928
00:59:44,020 --> 00:59:44,840
I didn't make the motion.

929
00:59:45,180 --> 00:59:47,460
I'm recommending the motion be amended.

930
00:59:48,040 --> 00:59:51,800
The discussion for me is that this is the first year that we're applying for it

931
00:59:51,800 --> 00:59:54,840
or looking to apply for it or seeking it, which is great, right?

932
00:59:55,180 --> 00:59:58,880
We're asking grants, grants, grants, but I think it needs to be identified in the budget

933
00:59:58,880 --> 00:59:59,980
where the money is going to be out.

934
01:00:15,120 --> 01:00:19,540
So let me see if I got you now. You said you want to amend the motion.

935
01:00:19,660 --> 01:00:21,520
I'm making a recommendation to amend the motion.

936
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:28,440
And that would say to designate where the money is coming from during the period of time that we're not reimbursed yet.

937
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:45,380
Correct, which we've already allocated that money that we've now taken that money off the table or saying, hey, we're going to take whatever money we agree to tonight, put it aside, knowing that that's what you're going to apply for, because you're going to need that in the application, knowing on the scope of the work and the plan and what things you're going to look for in the grant.

938
01:00:45,660 --> 01:00:53,660
Instead of you doing 600,000, you're going to do whatever money we would recommend or we approve to do that, because that's going to be the scope of your project.

939
01:00:54,660 --> 01:01:01,640
So you would like to amend the motion to designate where the money is going to come from during

940
01:01:01,640 --> 01:01:03,260
the period of time that we're not reimbursed yet?

941
01:01:03,460 --> 01:01:03,660
Sure.

942
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,160
And I think it's been stated, but maybe we can ask the finance director that is going

943
01:01:07,160 --> 01:01:10,340
to come from the undesignated fund balance, or is there some other place that money could

944
01:01:10,340 --> 01:01:10,740
come from?

945
01:01:11,960 --> 01:01:14,440
I mean, Bob, what is your opinion?

946
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,140
I mean, even though some people don't agree with it, you're the finance director.

947
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:18,840
What are your thoughts?

948
01:01:19,420 --> 01:01:21,800
Yeah, funds are identified in the budget process.

949
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:24,480
This is a grant fund.

950
01:01:25,660 --> 01:01:29,580
When you authorize a grant and the grant is approved,

951
01:01:29,900 --> 01:01:33,380
I go to the grant fund, I have a revenue line item called Grants,

952
01:01:33,580 --> 01:01:37,360
and I put an estimated revenue. I have an exponential line item

953
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:40,900
called whatever grant project it is, and I have a budget.

954
01:01:41,920 --> 01:01:44,780
So now we have a balanced budget in the grant fund.

955
01:01:46,820 --> 01:01:49,060
We can start spending that grant

956
01:01:49,060 --> 01:01:54,280
And in anticipation of that federal grant coming in one month, two months, three months.

957
01:01:54,820 --> 01:01:56,240
And how are we spending it?

958
01:01:56,780 --> 01:02:02,080
We're using the $15 million we have in the bank in investments.

959
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:05,940
And it's just borrowing from the general fund.

960
01:02:06,100 --> 01:02:09,520
It doesn't reduce fund balance on the accounting books.

961
01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:11,160
Fund balance is not reduced.

962
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:13,800
You're replacing cash with a receivable.

963
01:02:14,180 --> 01:02:17,360
So in other words, in the general fund, you're going to have do-from-grants

964
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:20,420
$100,000 because the grants just spend $100,000.

965
01:02:20,840 --> 01:02:26,300
One month later you get $100,000 from the FEDs, it goes back into the general fund cash

966
01:02:26,300 --> 01:02:26,640
accounts.

967
01:02:26,820 --> 01:02:30,760
So if I could say back to you what you just said, I think, so our balance is 21%.

968
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:35,220
If we start to spend, and that 21% in our undisputed fund balance is a combination

969
01:02:35,220 --> 01:02:35,820
of things.

970
01:02:35,940 --> 01:02:38,860
There's some cash, there's some bonds, there's different things.

971
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:41,660
One of them will be a receivable pledge from this grant.

972
01:02:41,660 --> 01:02:48,660
So if he spends the $600,000 in cash, but he also has a receivable on the books of $600,000,

973
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,000
the fund balance stays at 21%.

974
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:51,820
It will not go down.

975
01:02:52,060 --> 01:02:52,580
Is that what you said?

976
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:52,760
Right.

977
01:02:53,060 --> 01:02:58,960
I would never do this for $2 million, $3 million, $500,000, $600,000, $2 million, but fine.

978
01:02:59,560 --> 01:03:00,500
By that method of accounting.

979
01:03:01,300 --> 01:03:03,160
So that risk is not real.

980
01:03:04,300 --> 01:03:09,540
One of the things we didn't know is how long it takes to get a federal grant reimbursed.

981
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:10,880
That's a good question.

982
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:15,960
So the conversion from the receivable to cash, because the cash is going to be gone, you'll

983
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:16,840
still have the receivable.

984
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:18,300
How long is short the cash?

985
01:03:18,640 --> 01:03:20,520
Do you have an idea of how long that reimbursement takes?

986
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:27,620
No, we'll have to find out, but I mean, you know, the state takes two or three, four weeks

987
01:03:27,620 --> 01:03:28,980
of fence could take a month.

988
01:03:29,140 --> 01:03:32,260
But I'd ask the question, who cares on your balance sheet, whether it's a receivable

989
01:03:32,260 --> 01:03:33,380
from the federal government or cash?

990
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:34,120
It's like a bond.

991
01:03:34,460 --> 01:03:35,080
In short term.

992
01:03:35,220 --> 01:03:36,580
It's a marketable security.

993
01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:38,920
You could actually factor it or sell it.

994
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:46,180
If you fund it, then it will come off your un-designated fund balance before we get the

995
01:03:46,180 --> 01:03:50,540
– I mean, at some point it's going to come down because you have to – when you

996
01:03:50,540 --> 01:03:52,720
apply for the grant, you're committing that money.

997
01:03:53,100 --> 01:03:54,720
So if they approve the grant, correct?

998
01:03:55,600 --> 01:03:57,060
So they have to put the money out.

999
01:03:57,280 --> 01:04:00,840
So there's going to be a period of time where it's reduced while we give the money

1000
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:03,100
for the grant and when we get the money back.

1001
01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:03,580
Cash.

1002
01:04:04,540 --> 01:04:06,160
You can call it whatever you'd like to call it.

1003
01:04:06,220 --> 01:04:08,060
Assigned versus unassigned.

1004
01:04:08,580 --> 01:04:09,500
That's the question.

1005
01:04:09,500 --> 01:04:17,060
Yeah, right and when it's assigned to a grant tied up tied up meaning it's assigned to I get it sitting in the account

1006
01:04:17,060 --> 01:04:22,360
Not such in it and when we get the money, but the point is it's a sign. I think that's the question. I'm asking

1007
01:04:24,560 --> 01:04:31,400
When you assign something in fund balance means you're going to actually use it we're never going to use it's always going to stay at 21

1008
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:37,060
So if there's a three-year delay and we have to pay for the cash

1009
01:04:37,060 --> 01:04:42,260
Yeah, but you're 21% doesn't go down because you have receivable. It's like if you went in what stock would say

1010
01:04:42,260 --> 01:04:47,880
So if we made a decision of the balance in the 21% what what's the dollars at that 21%?

1011
01:04:49,080 --> 01:04:50,780
50 million dollars or something like that

1012
01:04:51,340 --> 01:04:56,480
So we could say I'm gonna buy some IBM stock. I'm gonna buy some treasury bonds that pay 5%

1013
01:04:56,480 --> 01:05:01,220
There's a host of assets that are in that undesirable balance one of them will be this pledge

1014
01:05:01,700 --> 01:05:05,960
And so it's cash, but it is an asset that counts in the 21%

1015
01:05:07,060 --> 01:05:09,240
So you've won that under accounting rules,

1016
01:05:09,340 --> 01:05:12,560
whether it's committed city, you have 21%, the answer is yes.

1017
01:05:13,340 --> 01:05:18,060
Are we only voting on giving her the right to apply?

1018
01:05:18,320 --> 01:05:23,420
We're not voting on accepting it and giving the money.

1019
01:05:23,760 --> 01:05:27,140
But one ties to the other, because it's accepting in the federal.

1020
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,220
If we got, we were awarded the grant, right?

1021
01:05:31,460 --> 01:05:34,100
And if we don't accept it, what are the ramifications

1022
01:05:34,100 --> 01:05:36,480
for not accepting the federal grant that they just

1023
01:05:36,480 --> 01:05:44,500
go back. It's yeah. So one is attached to the other. Yeah. Okay. Good point. All right.

1024
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:52,480
So there's discussion. Any more discussion? Yeah, I wanted to ask Mike. Well, I mean,

1025
01:05:52,740 --> 01:05:59,380
okay, so you said so we have a motion to amend. No, I'm in discussion. I made a recommendation

1026
01:05:59,380 --> 01:06:05,240
to men, but it's who made it right. It's either a friendly amendment or it's not

1027
01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:09,820
friendly amendment. Okay. So can I ask about the amendment? Did you also mention that you wanted to

1028
01:06:10,420 --> 01:06:14,360
think about spending less than six hundred and fifty? Reduce the dollar amount. Reduce the dollar

1029
01:06:14,360 --> 01:06:19,900
amount. So is that would that be a real thing Abby to reduce the dollar amount and have anything

1030
01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:24,000
left? We could we could build a scope around if you were if you wanted to go for the grand at

1031
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,640
a lower amount we would build the scope and do as much as we could for that amount and it

1032
01:06:27,640 --> 01:06:33,040
will involve making decisions about which roads are included and how much modeling or you

1033
01:06:33,040 --> 01:06:35,080
or how far we can get in that pre-planning process.

1034
01:06:35,620 --> 01:06:37,920
That's, we would just modify the scope.

1035
01:06:38,740 --> 01:06:40,140
Let me ask you another question.

1036
01:06:40,540 --> 01:06:42,380
How did Mike Neff feel about this?

1037
01:06:43,500 --> 01:06:44,480
He was supportive.

1038
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:46,840
That's our emergency manager.

1039
01:06:49,900 --> 01:06:52,480
So now, so it's still before the council

1040
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,600
is the question of whether we're gonna amend

1041
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,140
the motion that we've described for two things,

1042
01:06:57,240 --> 01:06:59,160
the dollar amount, and to designate

1043
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,220
where the money's gonna come from.

1044
01:07:00,260 --> 01:07:01,360
But I think we've just said

1045
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,320
it's gonna come from the undesignated fund balance.

1046
01:07:06,110 --> 01:07:10,570
Does anybody want to recommend a dollar amount to change it to, or are we going to leave the

1047
01:07:10,570 --> 01:07:11,910
motion with the $600,000?

1048
01:07:13,010 --> 01:07:13,850
You'd have to do it.

1049
01:07:13,950 --> 01:07:14,730
Kerry made the motion.

1050
01:07:14,890 --> 01:07:15,310
I second it.

1051
01:07:15,470 --> 01:07:15,890
I know, no.

1052
01:07:16,090 --> 01:07:18,590
I'm saying Mike would have to if he wants to put a number in there.

1053
01:07:19,550 --> 01:07:21,650
Because in order to do an amendment, you'd have to put in a number.

1054
01:07:21,770 --> 01:07:23,530
It's on the floor at $600,000.

1055
01:07:24,570 --> 01:07:29,090
I mean, I'd feel better if we split it in half for this year, if that's manageable

1056
01:07:29,090 --> 01:07:32,850
by you, if you think that that, you know, because it's our year one, we limited

1057
01:07:32,850 --> 01:07:37,050
and information tonight to respond to it, 300,000.

1058
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:40,050
I'd feel better at 200.

1059
01:07:41,210 --> 01:07:41,870
Well, let's not.

1060
01:07:43,010 --> 01:07:45,370
Or look, you said your group's on the one third.

1061
01:07:46,010 --> 01:07:47,350
I thought you might ask to pin it.

1062
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:49,770
We rely on you attitude because you don't have much.

1063
01:07:50,230 --> 01:07:51,630
The work is for consulting.

1064
01:07:52,210 --> 01:07:53,450
This is your lane, so.

1065
01:07:53,670 --> 01:07:55,530
I mean, the things that I would probably take out,

1066
01:07:55,610 --> 01:07:58,590
so I had $25,000 in for 3D flood visualization,

1067
01:07:58,590 --> 01:08:00,150
so there's that off the top.

1068
01:08:00,150 --> 01:08:04,110
We could cut some stakeholder engagement and do more of that in-house.

1069
01:08:04,450 --> 01:08:08,070
So, you know, if we don't do a story map and we say we're going to bring this thing back down

1070
01:08:08,070 --> 01:08:10,070
from $30,000 to $15,000.

1071
01:08:11,750 --> 01:08:15,470
The engineering feasibility and conceptual design, I have 175.

1072
01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:20,430
We could potentially knock 50 off of that and just don't go as far, right?

1073
01:08:20,590 --> 01:08:21,890
Don't go as in-depth.

1074
01:08:22,830 --> 01:08:27,270
So there are places we could probably cut and simply we just don't model to, you know,

1075
01:08:27,270 --> 01:08:30,370
We may not get every rainfall analysis we want.

1076
01:08:30,470 --> 01:08:32,730
We may only pick one flood scenario instead of multiples.

1077
01:08:33,390 --> 01:08:35,530
Those are the kinds of things we would start to pull back.

1078
01:08:36,570 --> 01:08:40,270
And again, these cost numbers are sort of coming from a best

1079
01:08:40,270 --> 01:08:40,910
guess right now.

1080
01:08:41,050 --> 01:08:43,350
They're out with the town engineer for sort of

1081
01:08:43,350 --> 01:08:45,690
round true thing and making sure that they make sense with

1082
01:08:45,690 --> 01:08:47,250
similar projects and those kinds of things.

1083
01:08:47,630 --> 01:08:49,370
I wish I had his answers for you tonight.

1084
01:08:49,550 --> 01:08:50,910
It's just the turnaround was so fast.

1085
01:08:53,320 --> 01:08:56,160
OK, so I have a parliamentary process question now.

1086
01:08:56,160 --> 01:09:00,100
So I have a motion for the $600,000 as it was read originally.

1087
01:09:00,620 --> 01:09:05,000
And then I have a proposal to a recommendation of an amended motion.

1088
01:09:05,400 --> 01:09:12,660
So I could, we can continue with the first motion and then see if it passes and then go with the amended motion or do we just want to.

1089
01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:17,960
Do you have to do an amended motion before you do the actual motion?

1090
01:09:18,580 --> 01:09:22,060
You have to act here. He made it. You have to do the amended motion first.

1091
01:09:22,680 --> 01:09:23,860
Okay. You'd have to have a second.

1092
01:09:23,860 --> 01:09:25,580
So do you have a second on the amendment?

1093
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:27,280
What is the amendment?

1094
01:09:28,700 --> 01:09:29,820
I'll read it now.

1095
01:09:29,900 --> 01:09:30,780
Do you have an amount for us?

1096
01:09:31,520 --> 01:09:32,380
We'll do 300.

1097
01:09:33,340 --> 01:09:35,540
So this would be the amended motion.

1098
01:09:36,180 --> 01:09:37,980
To authorize the town manager to apply for

1099
01:09:37,980 --> 01:09:39,280
Connecticut Port Authority and a small

1100
01:09:39,280 --> 01:09:40,700
Harbor Improvement Projects program,

1101
01:09:40,820 --> 01:09:43,340
round six grant to support dredging the town

1102
01:09:43,340 --> 01:09:45,300
and bringing it in the amount of

1103
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:48,980
$400,000 in authorized use of

1104
01:09:48,980 --> 01:09:50,060
$300,000

1105
01:09:51,440 --> 01:09:52,400
committed in line

1106
01:09:52,400 --> 01:09:57,210
604-165, I'm sorry, I'm reading the wrong one.

1107
01:09:57,410 --> 01:09:57,810
Yeah, you are.

1108
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:58,390
I'm reading the shift.

1109
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:58,870
I'm sorry.

1110
01:09:59,750 --> 01:10:00,470
Okay, let's go back.

1111
01:10:01,750 --> 01:10:06,630
It's a protect grant application to authorize the town manager to reply for a U.S. Department

1112
01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:11,050
of Transportation, Federal Highway Administration, promoting resilient operations for transformative

1113
01:10:11,050 --> 01:10:16,210
efficiency and cost savings transportation, reimbursable planning grant in the amount

1114
01:10:16,210 --> 01:10:21,490
of $300,000 for planning, vulnerability assessments, and pre-design activities

1115
01:10:21,490 --> 01:10:26,030
to increase resiliency for the causeway shore road and hammock road with the designation

1116
01:10:26,030 --> 01:10:28,830
that the money is to come from the undetermined fund balance.

1117
01:10:29,790 --> 01:10:33,650
No, he can do it as a friendly amendment and if he would accept it as a friendly amendment

1118
01:10:33,650 --> 01:10:34,490
then we move forward.

1119
01:10:34,890 --> 01:10:38,210
If not, we have to vote on his, get a second and vote on his.

1120
01:10:38,370 --> 01:10:38,910
Thank you for that.

1121
01:10:39,250 --> 01:10:39,770
So there we go.

1122
01:10:40,370 --> 01:10:41,730
So who made the motion?

1123
01:10:41,870 --> 01:10:42,790
Was it Kerry or was it Kerry?

1124
01:10:43,190 --> 01:10:43,750
He was amended.

1125
01:10:44,170 --> 01:10:45,670
So do you take the friendly amendment?

1126
01:10:46,430 --> 01:10:47,830
I will take the friendly amendment.

1127
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:54,010
Okay. So now we'll vote on the amended motion. So that's now the motion. So the amended motion

1128
01:10:54,010 --> 01:10:59,770
is now the motion that is before the council. Do I hear a second? So do I hear a second?

1129
01:11:01,450 --> 01:11:01,930
Discussion.

1130
01:11:06,270 --> 01:11:13,670
Let's say it again. You want to hear it again 300 grand and we're clarifying that it's coming

1131
01:11:13,670 --> 01:11:14,870
from the Addison and Fund Balance.

1132
01:11:15,650 --> 01:11:16,970
Yeah, whatever to get it going.

1133
01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:20,070
You don't hear that often from Dennis.

1134
01:11:20,910 --> 01:11:21,210
Approved.

1135
01:11:22,110 --> 01:11:22,910
It's to go home.

1136
01:11:23,090 --> 01:11:23,550
All in favor.

1137
01:11:25,110 --> 01:11:28,250
You're going around with a close abstain.

1138
01:11:29,130 --> 01:11:31,570
Motion carries as amended for $300,000.

1139
01:11:31,870 --> 01:11:32,270
There you go.

1140
01:11:32,570 --> 01:11:33,230
Thank you.

1141
01:11:34,450 --> 01:11:35,670
Thank you, Abby.

1142
01:11:39,530 --> 01:11:41,070
Much confusion tonight.

1143
01:11:42,030 --> 01:11:44,490
Okay, next is the library grant, item number nine.

1144
01:11:48,760 --> 01:11:49,800
We're just asking

1145
01:11:53,570 --> 01:11:54,590
state library construction

1146
01:11:57,820 --> 01:12:00,240
because the town owns the building and the town.

1147
01:12:03,050 --> 01:12:03,750
So moved.

1148
01:12:04,170 --> 01:12:04,390
Second.

1149
01:12:05,290 --> 01:12:05,810
Discussion?

1150
01:12:07,170 --> 01:12:07,990
Hang on.

1151
01:12:08,550 --> 01:12:10,310
Let me talk about all these grants and stuff.

1152
01:12:10,850 --> 01:12:13,230
Do we have to put a million dollars up for this first?

1153
01:12:14,290 --> 01:12:14,550
No.

1154
01:12:14,970 --> 01:12:15,250
It's a matching

1155
01:12:19,190 --> 01:12:19,770
project.

1156
01:12:21,570 --> 01:12:23,730
So it's not a reimbursable grant.

1157
01:12:23,830 --> 01:12:24,610
It's a matching grant.

1158
01:12:24,610 --> 01:12:26,490
And if you get the money as you spend it,

1159
01:12:29,860 --> 01:12:31,020
there's no delay.

1160
01:12:31,840 --> 01:12:32,060
OK.

1161
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,240
I just want to know, yeah?

1162
01:12:35,300 --> 01:12:36,580
Right, in which we deal with the resolution.

1163
01:12:37,240 --> 01:12:38,360
Any other discussion?

1164
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:41,120
Good.

1165
01:12:43,460 --> 01:12:43,920
Approved?

1166
01:12:44,440 --> 01:12:45,100
All in favor?

1167
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:46,080
Yeah.

1168
01:12:46,760 --> 01:12:47,200
Opposed?

1169
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:48,980
Staying?

1170
01:12:49,380 --> 01:12:49,960
Motion carries.

1171
01:12:50,620 --> 01:12:51,220
Thank you.

1172
01:12:53,660 --> 01:12:54,460
Financial report.

1173
01:12:58,990 --> 01:12:59,610
That was exhausting.

1174
01:13:00,270 --> 01:13:00,590
Good evening.

1175
01:13:01,070 --> 01:13:01,430
Good evening.

1176
01:13:02,830 --> 01:13:05,010
You have the report in front of you.

1177
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:08,590
It's report dated September 16th, 2026.

1178
01:13:09,670 --> 01:13:13,610
I decided to include the 2025-26

1179
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:17,210
Revenue Budget Report and Expansion Budget Report

1180
01:13:17,210 --> 01:13:20,330
after all those transfers that we did last meeting.

1181
01:13:20,890 --> 01:13:25,650
So if you go on page two, which is the last page of the Revenue Report

1182
01:13:25,650 --> 01:13:28,810
for the last budget year, you'll see

1183
01:13:28,810 --> 01:13:36,390
The balance is $2.6 million under, which is fine because we planned $2.6 million out

1184
01:13:36,390 --> 01:13:37,070
of fund balance.

1185
01:13:37,370 --> 01:13:43,850
So the revenue statement for last year is basically even just as planned.

1186
01:13:44,810 --> 01:13:53,500
If you go to the next page three, that's the budget for the prior year after all the

1187
01:13:53,500 --> 01:13:54,600
transfers that we did.

1188
01:13:54,600 --> 01:14:01,380
And as you can see, the account balances are actually quite nice, obviously no negatives.

1189
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:12,690
If you go to page last page of that report, you'll see that we had $55,000 left,

1190
01:14:12,910 --> 01:14:16,770
which would be falling into fund balance once we close the books.

1191
01:14:19,480 --> 01:14:23,520
The next page 12 starts the new year, we're two months into it.

1192
01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:29,460
Really nothing to report there. I don't see any thing popping out right now.

1193
01:14:30,120 --> 01:14:36,440
I did include on page 14 the current year tax receipts history.

1194
01:14:38,860 --> 01:14:44,520
First two months are always interesting. We collect 54.5%.

1195
01:14:44,520 --> 01:14:48,540
And I've highlighted the fiscal years that match that.

1196
01:14:48,540 --> 01:14:55,460
So 22, 21, 20, 19, they're all 54.6, 54.5.

1197
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:58,760
We have some years, 55.5.

1198
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:07,880
Typically, September will be a little bit larger, so it's pretty interesting how those percentages

1199
01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:15,820
are consistent over 10 years. If that started to change and it got reduced, then there will

1200
01:15:15,820 --> 01:15:18,060
be some concern, so it's a nice report to look at.

1201
01:15:21,660 --> 01:15:23,200
Then you have the expenditure report,

1202
01:15:23,240 --> 01:15:29,540
really nothing to report there. If you remember, we're starting off with a pretty low contingency

1203
01:15:29,540 --> 01:15:36,460
this year because there are no contracts. Basically, that contingency will be for winter

1204
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:40,500
maintenance expenditures and we're hoping they're low this year.

1205
01:15:46,330 --> 01:15:48,530
Then investments. Investments

1206
01:15:48,530 --> 01:15:55,710
are staying stable as the last three, four, five months. I expect them now after today's

1207
01:15:55,710 --> 01:16:00,430
news that they're going to increase slightly as the months go by.

1208
01:16:01,370 --> 01:16:11,250
General fund balance forecast to June 30th, 2027 will still, forecasting will still maintain

1209
01:16:11,250 --> 01:16:22,830
our 21% fund balance to total budget, which would give us some slight leeway when we start

1210
01:16:22,830 --> 01:16:30,510
the next budget process on using a small amount of fund balance as we did this year.

1211
01:16:32,250 --> 01:16:37,710
Board of Edna and Lapsing fund that was reported on by the superintendent tonight.

1212
01:16:38,530 --> 01:16:43,030
After tonight's transfer from their budget of $250,000,

1213
01:16:43,110 --> 01:16:47,210
they'll have a little bit above $571,000,

1214
01:16:47,210 --> 01:16:51,870
which provides a cushion to their budget, mainly special education expenses.

1215
01:16:53,610 --> 01:17:02,070
On page 27, I've been including other funds as we move along just to make sure we're all

1216
01:17:02,070 --> 01:17:04,750
familiar with all those other funds that are out there.

1217
01:17:05,430 --> 01:17:11,450
All the funds were actually reviewed when I did the financial statements, but we'll

1218
01:17:11,450 --> 01:17:14,410
look at the current balances as we move along in the months.

1219
01:17:14,410 --> 01:17:25,590
Page 27 is Fund 69, Open Space Acquisition, created to put monies in there for any open

1220
01:17:25,590 --> 01:17:32,110
space acquisitions. Currently we have a fund bounce of $34,000. You'll see a note down

1221
01:17:32,110 --> 01:17:38,310
there in the Fund 60, the CIP Fund 60, the town council has appropriated some monies

1222
01:17:38,310 --> 01:17:44,090
for open spaces, 75,000 there. So it's there, we may as well transfer it into this

1223
01:17:44,090 --> 01:17:48,750
open space acquisition funds so we can see all our open space acquisition funds together.

1224
01:17:49,530 --> 01:17:54,590
So it's not in one fund, it's not in another fund. So I can transfer 75,000 out of fund

1225
01:17:54,590 --> 01:17:56,870
60 into this fund and we'll have everything together.

1226
01:17:58,730 --> 01:18:05,310
Starting on page 28 is fund 60, which is our CIP projects, which is planned for in

1227
01:18:05,310 --> 01:18:10,450
the CIP document, and it's also budgeted for each year.

1228
01:18:13,730 --> 01:18:15,850
You'll see some small available

1229
01:18:15,850 --> 01:18:21,710
balances. I'll be reviewing them with the departments. Most likely, most of them will

1230
01:18:21,710 --> 01:18:27,750
be closed with smaller balances. But I have highlighted some of the larger ones. As you

1231
01:18:27,750 --> 01:18:33,210
can see, there's a landfill closure account there, which the town council approved

1232
01:18:33,210 --> 01:18:39,790
from that designated fund balance the last meeting so that's 301,000. We have a

1233
01:18:39,790 --> 01:18:46,610
residual amount left in the sidewalk which is a town match of 275,000. The

1234
01:18:46,610 --> 01:18:50,530
next highlight is land acquisition the 75,000 they talked to you about we can

1235
01:18:50,530 --> 01:18:54,550
transfer that to the open space fund. Below that you can see the

1236
01:18:54,550 --> 01:19:00,350
dredging amount that the town council approved a million 35 it was done in

1237
01:19:00,350 --> 01:19:06,490
two approvals, there was a small amount for professional services and then a million for

1238
01:19:06,490 --> 01:19:11,950
the actual dredging. In the police, I didn't highlight that, but in the police you see some

1239
01:19:11,950 --> 01:19:20,070
balances and that's for their police vehicle leasing. And as run the subject, it will

1240
01:19:20,070 --> 01:19:23,950
be kind of nice, I think, in the future to give the town council a report on that

1241
01:19:23,950 --> 01:19:29,590
because I remember I think it was a year ago that you approved that program. I'll

1242
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:33,350
speak to the police chief, it will be kind of nice to report on the results of that,

1243
01:19:33,490 --> 01:19:39,830
you know, a number of new police vehicles, balances, and maybe in the future, because

1244
01:19:39,830 --> 01:19:43,830
of these reservations that we have here, maybe the amount in the budget gets reduced.

1245
01:19:44,210 --> 01:19:49,130
So we'll report on that probably in the next town council night meeting.

1246
01:19:50,210 --> 01:19:56,850
In the fire department line items, most of that is our reservation for future

1247
01:19:56,850 --> 01:20:03,650
a fire apparatus and that's planned in the CIP. Don't recall when the next one is, but

1248
01:20:04,110 --> 01:20:08,850
we've planned that when that time does come that we'll have enough money in here to purchase

1249
01:20:08,850 --> 01:20:13,790
a fire truck. So that's one example where, you know, a fire truck is a perfect item

1250
01:20:13,790 --> 01:20:20,570
to bond because it lasts more than 20 years, but if you can not bond, if you have the

1251
01:20:20,570 --> 01:20:25,170
money in the budget, obviously that's what you do. There are some items in the CIP

1252
01:20:25,170 --> 01:20:31,410
when we plan it that we can't put it in the budget because we're always thinking about

1253
01:20:31,410 --> 01:20:35,330
tax increase mill rates so we don't, that's when you do bond.

1254
01:20:35,590 --> 01:20:44,490
But anyway, this is a nice example of the town planning ahead with tax money putting

1255
01:20:44,490 --> 01:20:45,330
into this account.

1256
01:20:45,530 --> 01:20:47,770
We're able to buy fire apparatus which is very expensive.

1257
01:20:48,670 --> 01:20:54,110
Public works, you do see a negative amount, that's only because that's the public works

1258
01:20:54,110 --> 01:20:58,510
storage building, that's going to be offset by a $500,000 grant.

1259
01:21:01,670 --> 01:21:05,590
There's 281,000 in general

1260
01:21:05,590 --> 01:21:13,130
roads. That was not spent because Todd has planned for a road project typically over 500,000,

1261
01:21:13,250 --> 01:21:18,130
so we're waiting for more funds. I think what I'm going to do is transfer that amount

1262
01:21:18,130 --> 01:21:23,430
to our new roads funds so, again, everything is together and we know exactly how much

1263
01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:24,150
we have for roads.

1264
01:21:24,310 --> 01:21:25,830
Where is that new roads fund?

1265
01:21:26,790 --> 01:21:27,670
Fund 66.

1266
01:21:28,270 --> 01:21:33,430
So once these transfers are made, I can report on Fund 66 at the next other fund.

1267
01:21:33,850 --> 01:21:34,530
We put 100.

1268
01:21:34,730 --> 01:21:34,890
Report.

1269
01:21:35,530 --> 01:21:36,850
Right now, there's 100,000.

1270
01:21:36,850 --> 01:21:38,550
So this 281 would read 381.

1271
01:21:38,650 --> 01:21:39,110
That's correct.

1272
01:21:40,670 --> 01:21:44,070
And you think about it, we're going to bond, if everything is approved, we're going to

1273
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:44,690
bond in February.

1274
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:47,410
Funds won't be available until next paving season.

1275
01:21:47,590 --> 01:21:48,810
We've missed the paving season.

1276
01:21:48,810 --> 01:21:53,870
And we should have enough funds in that fund to catch up.

1277
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:59,670
Parks and Recreation, they have residual amounts.

1278
01:22:00,430 --> 01:22:03,790
The new recreation directions review them.

1279
01:22:04,370 --> 01:22:09,510
He's also reported on items that he's seen going around the

1280
01:22:09,510 --> 01:22:12,530
Parks and Rec area that need paying attention.

1281
01:22:13,190 --> 01:22:17,730
And at a soon date, he'll be coming to you.

1282
01:22:17,730 --> 01:22:23,570
And we'll be reporting on those items, you know, transfers from here to another line

1283
01:22:23,570 --> 01:22:27,470
so we can fix some things like, for instance, playgrounds.

1284
01:22:29,550 --> 01:22:36,770
And then education, I'll be talking to the business manager on the items that are left over

1285
01:22:36,770 --> 01:22:40,970
from later years to see if we can close those out.

1286
01:22:41,050 --> 01:22:43,890
But there are items from 26, I know they're going to spend,

1287
01:22:44,210 --> 01:22:47,070
and obviously 27, those amounts are still available.

1288
01:22:52,800 --> 01:23:06,480
The last item is just interesting. It's just when we're in the process of an audit and we're communicating with the auditors, we have a software program.

1289
01:23:06,740 --> 01:23:18,640
We have a to-do list, so we keep on track. And I thought it would just be interesting to include that at the back of the report just to give you an idea of the items that we give the auditors and the timing.

1290
01:23:18,640 --> 01:23:26,000
there's a due date on it. When I submit it, they either accept it or deny it, and we do

1291
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:32,460
get some denials, and you go back and do what you have to do. But if you look at the due

1292
01:23:32,460 --> 01:23:38,120
dates, they range from May where they do interim samples of our expenses and revenues,

1293
01:23:38,800 --> 01:23:44,960
and basically it goes up to September 30th, and lastly, there's some October items

1294
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:50,340
at the very end. But it's a quite extensive list, and it keeps us busy, and I thought I'd

1295
01:23:50,340 --> 01:23:53,440
just present that for informational purposes.

1296
01:23:56,080 --> 01:23:58,460
That's my report, if you have any questions.

1297
01:23:58,460 --> 01:24:05,660
So what are you saying here that this is reports that you're doing, your trial balance sheet,

1298
01:24:05,820 --> 01:24:10,720
your revenue detail, and it was accepted, and that was the due date it was due, accepted

1299
01:24:10,720 --> 01:24:14,560
by who? The audience, because sometimes you could

1300
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:19,880
submit a report and I'm not saying it's wrong but it wouldn't be in the same format that

1301
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:24,040
they're requesting and they would deny it and they'll tell you why and you'd resubmit

1302
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:24,220
it.

1303
01:24:26,700 --> 01:24:27,280
Thank you.

1304
01:24:27,920 --> 01:24:28,660
Any questions?

1305
01:24:30,540 --> 01:24:31,200
Thanks Bob.

1306
01:24:31,480 --> 01:24:31,680
Okay.

1307
01:24:31,760 --> 01:24:32,100
Thank you.

1308
01:24:32,380 --> 01:24:32,640
Thank you.

1309
01:24:34,660 --> 01:24:37,000
Next item number 11, town manager's report.

1310
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:37,980
Okay.

1311
01:24:38,160 --> 01:24:41,040
So everyone got a copy of the report so I'm going to just go through it.

1312
01:24:42,220 --> 01:24:43,800
Some I'll spend a little more time on.

1313
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:49,580
The first one is that the town has received formal notification from the Connecticut Division

1314
01:24:49,580 --> 01:24:54,140
of Emergency Management and Homeland Security that Clinton's 2026 local emergency operations

1315
01:24:54,140 --> 01:24:56,060
plan has been received and approved.

1316
01:24:56,820 --> 01:24:57,980
You all have copied the letter.

1317
01:24:58,240 --> 01:25:03,000
I'd like to thank and recognize Mike Neff, our emergency management director, as well

1318
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:05,660
as everyone else who contributed to the preparation and updating this plan.

1319
01:25:06,980 --> 01:25:08,940
So that is that.

1320
01:25:08,940 --> 01:25:13,200
I wanted to give everyone an update on the DPW building.

1321
01:25:14,420 --> 01:25:19,020
That was, there's a breakdown there of the steep funding which was 543, the Towns Fund

1322
01:25:19,020 --> 01:25:25,720
179.5, so the total cost to build this structure is $723,100.

1323
01:25:26,460 --> 01:25:30,720
The footings have been poured and it's continuing and it's anticipated to be completed

1324
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:31,280
in October.

1325
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:36,040
Andrew's Memorial Theater.

1326
01:25:36,040 --> 01:25:43,000
I know that we've been talking about the use of that and we had an inventory done of the

1327
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:49,600
equipment in the theater and a master were in the final stages of creating a comprehensive

1328
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:54,340
master equipment list so that when people do inquire about the theater we can send

1329
01:25:54,340 --> 01:26:00,800
out this list to them with actually the projector's model number, the types of speakers we

1330
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:05,960
We have everything the size of the screen so that if people are thinking of utilizing

1331
01:26:05,960 --> 01:26:09,700
our theater for a film festival or something along those lines, they know the equipment

1332
01:26:09,700 --> 01:26:10,240
we have.

1333
01:26:10,620 --> 01:26:16,760
But with all events, they are welcome to rent and have an outside company come in and set

1334
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:16,920
up.

1335
01:26:17,100 --> 01:26:23,940
So there is a lot of opportunity there, which we are working on, you know, again

1336
01:26:23,940 --> 01:26:28,420
and making it easier and more accessible for people

1337
01:26:28,420 --> 01:26:29,680
to utilize this space.

1338
01:26:30,520 --> 01:26:34,780
One other topic is, and I have copies of the emails.

1339
01:26:35,480 --> 01:26:40,740
So the council has had conversations in the past

1340
01:26:40,740 --> 01:26:45,680
about using or having liquor in the building.

1341
01:26:46,520 --> 01:26:48,180
And tis the season, we are now starting

1342
01:26:48,180 --> 01:26:49,740
to get holiday requests.

1343
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:53,020
So as you're aware, over the summer

1344
01:26:53,020 --> 01:26:55,260
We went with a new broker for our insurance.

1345
01:26:55,380 --> 01:27:06,300
We did a deep dive into all of our policies and the overall takeaway here is that we do

1346
01:27:06,300 --> 01:27:08,720
have liability liquor coverage.

1347
01:27:10,300 --> 01:27:16,920
However, it is still best practice and would increase the town's potential liability and

1348
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:21,620
exposure if we do offer, allow the liquor and do the waiver.

1349
01:27:21,620 --> 01:27:24,040
So, I didn't want to mix words.

1350
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:30,400
This is a copy of the email thread between myself and the insurance company or a broker

1351
01:27:30,400 --> 01:27:38,760
explaining the coverage we have, the liability potential, so you obviously can still do some

1352
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:44,480
waivers if that's something you'd like to do, but this is just summarizing the potential

1353
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:45,000
liability.

1354
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:50,020
And then you had asked about the number of activities we've had in the past.

1355
01:27:50,020 --> 01:28:02,340
So in 2025 we had six events that requested a waiver and in 2026 so far we've had two.

1356
01:28:04,700 --> 01:28:09,500
Well Henry's exemption was the library which was over at the library it wasn't in this building

1357
01:28:09,500 --> 01:28:13,440
so I don't know if that really counts because they had their own additional insurance but

1358
01:28:14,200 --> 01:28:17,380
those are the numbers of events that we had.

1359
01:28:17,380 --> 01:28:19,240
So this is food for thought.

1360
01:28:19,440 --> 01:28:28,100
We can add it to an agenda in the future to have a more thorough discussion, or you can

1361
01:28:28,100 --> 01:28:33,140
just have this information, and as waivers come in front of you, you can make a decision

1362
01:28:33,140 --> 01:28:36,860
if this is something you want to do, but you'll have all the facts.

1363
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:40,220
So I hope that's helpful.

1364
01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:41,140
Any questions on that?

1365
01:28:41,500 --> 01:28:42,660
Because I know that's-

1366
01:28:42,660 --> 01:28:45,140
I just wonder what the implications are of that

1367
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:51,560
on our future use of the Andrews and our auditorium,

1368
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:56,200
because all of these surrounding people who have events,

1369
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,740
whether it's a Cate or whatnot, they have alcohol.

1370
01:28:59,820 --> 01:29:02,080
So it's something to...

1371
01:29:02,080 --> 01:29:04,320
My thought on that would be the significance

1372
01:29:04,320 --> 01:29:06,940
or the amount of degree to the extent

1373
01:29:06,940 --> 01:29:10,920
that function benefits economically or cultural or arts

1374
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:14,140
as we have our goals or strategic directives, and we say, hey, we want to use the Injuries

1375
01:29:14,140 --> 01:29:18,520
Memorial Theater, and it's going to be a big show, and it's going to raise tens of thousands

1376
01:29:18,520 --> 01:29:19,080
of dollars.

1377
01:29:19,540 --> 01:29:24,140
You think differently, or you think harder about your requirement on alcohol than you

1378
01:29:24,140 --> 01:29:28,400
would if it was just, you know, donuts on a Saturday morning and somebody wants

1379
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:29,600
to have Irish coffee.

1380
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:33,000
Again, so this is your information.

1381
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:34,660
You have a complete email thread.

1382
01:29:35,580 --> 01:29:40,440
The waivers still are required to come to you, so you can refer to this, keep

1383
01:29:40,440 --> 01:29:47,200
it in your packet and as you have to make decisions refer to what the insurance brokers

1384
01:29:47,200 --> 01:29:47,540
are saying.

1385
01:29:51,110 --> 01:29:58,790
So the last, so a civic plus notification, we have been talking about increasing notifications

1386
01:29:58,790 --> 01:29:59,890
with

1387
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,860
Residents, and there was, I shared with you in a couple of meetings ago that we do have

1388
01:30:05,860 --> 01:30:13,300
a notification system as part of our website. And we took a deeper dive and had a couple

1389
01:30:13,300 --> 01:30:19,140
of workshops. I want to thank Mary for her efforts on this part. We have had numerous

1390
01:30:19,140 --> 01:30:26,120
meetings with Civic Plus who oversees our website. And there is a feature that we are

1391
01:30:26,120 --> 01:30:29,520
paying for that we weren't utilizing to its fullest potential which is civic

1392
01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:35,720
send so the town is in the process of working with the vendor to understand

1393
01:30:35,720 --> 01:30:41,880
exactly how we can utilize this more get it out to the public and we don't have

1394
01:30:41,880 --> 01:30:44,820
to start with a new system we already have it we're already paying for it

1395
01:30:44,820 --> 01:30:49,640
it's just a matter of on our end figuring out how to make it more

1396
01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:53,480
seamless for the residents and because there's like all that back end

1397
01:30:53,480 --> 01:30:57,900
configuring that has to get done and then we'll do a big push out to our

1398
01:30:57,900 --> 01:31:01,540
residents to sign up for text notifications and then on our end we'll

1399
01:31:01,540 --> 01:31:08,200
do more pushing out of stuff via this system. So we do have it. So that should

1400
01:31:08,200 --> 01:31:15,080
address those concerns. And that is my report for now. Any question?

1401
01:31:16,780 --> 01:31:23,280
I have one. Yes. On the Ingers Memorial Theater. Our overall goal is to

1402
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:24,540
increased utilization of the theater

1403
01:31:24,540 --> 01:31:26,080
and attract additional events and rentals.

1404
01:31:27,040 --> 01:31:29,200
I was hoping the report would be a little more specific

1405
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:29,760
than that.

1406
01:31:30,200 --> 01:31:30,520
About.

1407
01:31:30,820 --> 01:31:34,640
Like what kinds of ideas, like utilization of the theater,

1408
01:31:34,780 --> 01:31:37,140
like in what ways or attract additional events,

1409
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:38,880
like what kind of events and what kind of rentals?

1410
01:31:39,040 --> 01:31:40,020
Film festivals.

1411
01:31:40,660 --> 01:31:44,100
We had the seniors use it for a musical, which

1412
01:31:44,100 --> 01:31:45,120
was greatly received.

1413
01:31:45,460 --> 01:31:46,860
And they're going to be planning

1414
01:31:46,860 --> 01:31:48,400
on doing more of those.

1415
01:31:50,320 --> 01:31:52,620
You know, we don't market it.

1416
01:31:53,600 --> 01:31:57,000
We just at this point don't have the means to actually market it.

1417
01:31:57,900 --> 01:32:04,020
But right now it's a good balance of local community groups using it and outside vendors.

1418
01:32:05,140 --> 01:32:09,740
So my thought on it is that we've ramped that up significantly.

1419
01:32:10,380 --> 01:32:13,360
And we have an opportunity in the year 2027.

1420
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:15,980
We'll see what happens on September 29th in Old Sabra.

1421
01:32:15,980 --> 01:32:20,640
But it looks like they're going to close the Cape for a year while they renovate, which

1422
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:24,360
might be an opportune time for us to have more stuff here.

1423
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:29,400
If we're going to enter that market or try to do more, that's a window of opportunity.

1424
01:32:29,820 --> 01:32:32,140
I have a question for you.

1425
01:32:32,280 --> 01:32:32,420
Yes.

1426
01:32:32,620 --> 01:32:32,920
Good idea.

1427
01:32:34,900 --> 01:32:37,440
How Sally Kaepernan doing her film?

1428
01:32:39,060 --> 01:32:41,260
Is it the one day historical?

1429
01:32:41,260 --> 01:32:47,820
It's the one she is with, I am community trust.

1430
01:32:48,340 --> 01:32:53,900
Yes, I believe so, yes, it was a one-day film event, I believe it was.

1431
01:32:54,980 --> 01:32:57,880
Now, alcohol is involved with them, Sierra?

1432
01:32:58,980 --> 01:33:05,280
They would have to, I don't know, I mean as part of the room rental process, as part of the room rental process and the application,

1433
01:33:06,240 --> 01:33:15,640
It explains all of that, if that's something that they need to be considered for and the timeline, there will be someone coming to the council, I believe, at the next meeting, asking for a waiver for an event.

1434
01:33:16,100 --> 01:33:21,660
So that's what made me, you know, make sure I get all this to you in time, so we have the information. Yes.

1435
01:33:21,660 --> 01:33:32,140
Just one comment. So you're, I'm a little, I don't get over to the CATE. All those functions over at the CATE, they're allowed to bring alcohol?

1436
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:33,580
They are?

1437
01:33:33,580 --> 01:33:36,860
Well, they serve, not embryo, I'm sorry, they serve it.

1438
01:33:37,340 --> 01:33:41,840
We explicitly cannot serve alcohol for our insurance.

1439
01:33:42,120 --> 01:33:42,940
We cannot serve alcohol.

1440
01:33:43,560 --> 01:33:49,240
The CATE is a town-owned building, but the inside is completely leased

1441
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:51,900
and operated by an outside organization.

1442
01:33:52,600 --> 01:33:54,960
We are very different here. We are a shared space.

1443
01:33:55,500 --> 01:34:00,060
If we had plays and stuff here, there would be no alcohol involved, right?

1444
01:34:00,060 --> 01:34:05,180
They would need to come to the council and have a waiver and then if it's an outside organization running it

1445
01:34:05,180 --> 01:34:09,340
It's just like when the opera used to do it or or they can sell it. We can't

1446
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:16,360
I guess I'm when I'm trying to say that we always have to have alcohol. No, I'm not a key tolar as everybody knows

1447
01:34:17,600 --> 01:34:20,080
but I just want to say that

1448
01:34:22,460 --> 01:34:26,440
Iverton and other and the the other Chester Playhouse

1449
01:34:27,220 --> 01:34:30,300
They run these plays and everything they don't have alcohol there

1450
01:34:31,380 --> 01:34:33,260
They have water, and that's about it.

1451
01:34:33,300 --> 01:34:33,960
Oh, the Everton High School.

1452
01:34:33,960 --> 01:34:35,440
I think we should be...

1453
01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:36,160
They have alcohol.

1454
01:34:37,260 --> 01:34:37,540
Where?

1455
01:34:37,880 --> 01:34:38,200
Outside.

1456
01:34:38,420 --> 01:34:39,180
They have that little tent.

1457
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:39,860
Who?

1458
01:34:40,140 --> 01:34:40,960
Everton Playhouse.

1459
01:34:41,080 --> 01:34:42,420
Not at the place I go to.

1460
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:43,840
But that's okay.

1461
01:34:44,420 --> 01:34:44,980
Maybe they do.

1462
01:34:45,340 --> 01:34:46,440
I'm not trying to...

1463
01:34:46,440 --> 01:34:53,060
What I'm trying to say is I would like to push for a lot more use maybe for plays

1464
01:34:53,060 --> 01:34:59,740
and stuff, you know, and as the manager said, you know, film festivals or whatever,

1465
01:34:59,740 --> 01:35:07,200
But we certainly should take advantage of, like you said, to Kate not being around.

1466
01:35:07,820 --> 01:35:12,440
I think more plays upstairs would be nice instead of me traveling up to Iventon.

1467
01:35:12,780 --> 01:35:17,180
So these are major strategic directives of the council, right?

1468
01:35:17,720 --> 01:35:22,580
Risk management is very high on our priorities and cultural and economic development

1469
01:35:22,580 --> 01:35:25,300
and using the theater to get downtown very high.

1470
01:35:25,300 --> 01:35:32,280
So both of those are you know somewhat competing interests and the goal is to navigate that that we optimize or maximize both

1471
01:35:32,280 --> 01:35:35,920
And I think we can okay. This is a problem

1472
01:35:35,920 --> 01:35:40,560
I mean one of the biggest complainers when we first started to

1473
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:45,840
Quibble over the alcohol was historical society because they would hold their annual meeting here

1474
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:51,480
Well historical society ran up against the same wall you did and they can no longer serve alcohol

1475
01:35:51,480 --> 01:35:57,240
festival. So in this upcoming oyster festival, they're doing a non-alcoholic beer because

1476
01:35:57,240 --> 01:35:58,620
I guess that's becoming all the rage for the wine.

1477
01:35:58,620 --> 01:36:03,060
That's very popular, too. So that's what they're doing. We have to pivot.

1478
01:36:04,860 --> 01:36:07,220
All right. Anything else on the town manager's report?

1479
01:36:08,140 --> 01:36:08,580
Good.

1480
01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:12,460
I have good news to report on item number 12. The chairman doesn't have anything to

1481
01:36:12,460 --> 01:36:12,780
report.

1482
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:13,580
Thank you, Kevin.

1483
01:36:15,620 --> 01:36:20,560
And now item number 13 on the agenda, council discussion. We got anything on their mind

1484
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:21,500
that they would like to discuss.

1485
01:36:32,470 --> 01:36:32,770
Nothing?

1486
01:36:33,190 --> 01:36:33,770
Keep it going.

1487
01:36:33,970 --> 01:36:35,930
I think we discussed everything we possibly could.

1488
01:36:37,330 --> 01:36:38,350
All right.

1489
01:36:39,170 --> 01:36:45,590
So then I guess we'll move on to item number 14, which

1490
01:36:45,590 --> 01:36:48,710
is a town council committee liaison reports.

1491
01:36:51,610 --> 01:36:53,150
Well, I'll start off with the police.

1492
01:36:53,390 --> 01:36:54,870
I attended that last Monday night.

1493
01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:57,850
Everything seems to be going very well there.

1494
01:36:58,570 --> 01:37:04,570
I'm happy to report that they have done a lot of interviews and stuff and they

1495
01:37:04,570 --> 01:37:10,250
think they have a couple of good solid candidates to go to the Academy and if I

1496
01:37:10,250 --> 01:37:15,730
didn't maybe I miss heard the right Friday but the Academy's either starting

1497
01:37:15,730 --> 01:37:20,130
this Friday this Friday morning and from what the chief was saying they

1498
01:37:20,130 --> 01:37:24,550
they're hopeful that they'll have two people getting in for the Academy Friday

1499
01:37:24,550 --> 01:37:28,910
So that'll be good news because of the two vacancies that we presently have.

1500
01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:31,330
And that's it.

1501
01:37:35,060 --> 01:37:35,900
Park and Rec?

1502
01:37:37,680 --> 01:37:45,400
I was just looking. I didn't go to the meeting because they were prioritizing the projects

1503
01:37:45,400 --> 01:37:51,840
and I didn't want to influence that at all, but I did look through it.

1504
01:37:51,840 --> 01:38:00,320
they did go through and prioritize a bunch of projects, so hopefully they can bring those

1505
01:38:00,320 --> 01:38:04,220
and talk to Michelle and have Dustin come in here and talk about that.

1506
01:38:06,540 --> 01:38:07,760
And that's it.

1507
01:38:07,880 --> 01:38:11,000
I could look it up if someone else wants to go first.

1508
01:38:12,240 --> 01:38:12,680
All right.

1509
01:38:13,620 --> 01:38:13,860
Brian.

1510
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:18,100
Have you hit the high point with the landfill capping and they're going to continue their

1511
01:38:18,100 --> 01:38:20,580
work on the POCD implementation, starting with inviting groups

1512
01:38:20,580 --> 01:38:23,160
into their meetings, starting with Harbor Management and EDC.

1513
01:38:25,410 --> 01:38:26,010
Other quirks?

1514
01:38:26,250 --> 01:38:27,430
I didn't make the meeting last night,

1515
01:38:27,450 --> 01:38:28,650
but I spoke to Todd today.

1516
01:38:29,390 --> 01:38:31,450
In the meeting last night in the director's report,

1517
01:38:31,670 --> 01:38:33,750
they did a capital needs and infrastructure priorities.

1518
01:38:34,170 --> 01:38:35,970
Talked a lot about the roads, and I

1519
01:38:35,970 --> 01:38:37,150
believe that's going to be in the minutes.

1520
01:38:37,390 --> 01:38:40,170
So I know there's some questions before about road

1521
01:38:40,170 --> 01:38:41,970
paving, status of road stuff.

1522
01:38:42,270 --> 01:38:44,030
Todd did a nice PowerPoint presentation,

1523
01:38:44,190 --> 01:38:45,550
kind of outlining where things are at.

1524
01:38:45,550 --> 01:38:48,590
So it's in the, it'll be in the minutes for review.

1525
01:38:49,730 --> 01:38:52,530
And then economic development, I went to the meeting.

1526
01:38:54,050 --> 01:38:55,710
Dale Croupe did a presentation,

1527
01:38:55,970 --> 01:38:57,390
which was Carl Rose's presentation

1528
01:38:57,390 --> 01:38:59,130
on Connecticut Main Street that we saw.

1529
01:38:59,670 --> 01:39:00,770
They did that to the EDC.

1530
01:39:01,610 --> 01:39:04,050
Rebecca Mead was there and was introduced to the,

1531
01:39:04,510 --> 01:39:06,410
and began to work with the EDC,

1532
01:39:06,430 --> 01:39:08,330
so that's good that that relationship has developed.

1533
01:39:08,750 --> 01:39:09,710
And then the only other thing is

1534
01:39:09,710 --> 01:39:11,790
somebody mentioned in the meeting

1535
01:39:11,790 --> 01:39:13,270
something maybe you could follow up on.

1536
01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:15,430
in our kayak rack here at the town hall,

1537
01:39:15,690 --> 01:39:18,150
that it's hard to access when it's low tide

1538
01:39:19,090 --> 01:39:21,270
and to look at whether or not that's safe.

1539
01:39:21,410 --> 01:39:23,630
There's something we ought to do to make that safe.

1540
01:39:24,590 --> 01:39:25,990
That's it for EDC.

1541
01:39:27,610 --> 01:39:29,550
There was one other, I'm gonna go backwards

1542
01:39:29,550 --> 01:39:30,730
to Chairman's report.

1543
01:39:30,910 --> 01:39:34,010
There was news in the Harvard News

1544
01:39:34,010 --> 01:39:37,390
that old Saberook looked at the public comment portion

1545
01:39:37,390 --> 01:39:38,410
of the town council meeting

1546
01:39:38,410 --> 01:39:41,110
where you can narrow the scope and the minutes.

1547
01:39:41,670 --> 01:39:42,850
We have very long meetings.

1548
01:39:43,550 --> 01:39:49,290
We're covering a lot of work these days and that visitors, when they speak, we can narrow

1549
01:39:49,290 --> 01:39:51,330
the scope of what they do first the amount of time.

1550
01:39:51,770 --> 01:39:55,190
I keep track of the time and I keep track of about four minutes or five minutes and

1551
01:39:55,190 --> 01:39:56,830
I try to move along if it's longer than that.

1552
01:39:57,810 --> 01:40:02,810
The Board of Education or Old Saber made it three minutes and also narrowed the scope

1553
01:40:02,810 --> 01:40:07,010
of the topics that could be discussed to be what's on the agenda for the evening.

1554
01:40:07,390 --> 01:40:08,970
So you just can't go talk about anything.

1555
01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:10,990
You have to talk about what's on the agenda.

1556
01:40:10,990 --> 01:40:14,470
And we could adopt a resolution to have the same type of rules

1557
01:40:14,470 --> 01:40:17,050
on our public comments in the beginning of the meeting.

1558
01:40:17,630 --> 01:40:19,070
So I put it out there for consideration.

1559
01:40:20,370 --> 01:40:22,470
Be a good future agenda item to talk about.

1560
01:40:23,810 --> 01:40:24,170
Sorry?

1561
01:40:24,370 --> 01:40:26,430
I think it'd be a good future agenda item to talk about.

1562
01:40:26,630 --> 01:40:27,530
Just hearing about it right now.

1563
01:40:27,710 --> 01:40:27,910
Yeah.

1564
01:40:29,050 --> 01:40:30,210
Sometimes to sit with it for all of us.

1565
01:40:30,430 --> 01:40:30,590
OK.

1566
01:40:31,510 --> 01:40:31,970
All right.

1567
01:40:32,190 --> 01:40:35,230
And with that, do I hear a motion to go to item number

1568
01:40:35,230 --> 01:40:36,150
59 on the agenda?

1569
01:40:36,290 --> 01:40:37,910
Do I hear a motion to go to an executive session,

1570
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:45,950
pursuant to Connecticut General Statute section 1-206A for purposes of interviewing candidates for the Park and Rec Commission and for the Economic Development Commission.

1571
01:40:46,330 --> 01:40:47,170
You have to invite...

1572
01:40:47,170 --> 01:40:49,370
And I will invite Mary and...

1573
01:40:49,370 --> 01:40:50,510
And the candidates.

1574
01:40:51,050 --> 01:40:51,630
And the candidates.

1575
01:40:52,090 --> 01:40:53,910
So we'll go back to the list of names.

1576
01:40:55,950 --> 01:41:02,850
Clint Haverkamp, Dan Wilson and Ellen Bailey for Park and Rec, and Richard Brochler for EDC.

1577
01:41:03,390 --> 01:41:05,730
So this one's...

1578
01:41:05,730 --> 01:41:07,090
So moved.

1579
01:41:07,090 --> 01:41:15,090
Second? Second. All in favor? Opposed? Abstain? Motion carries. Thank you.

1580
01:41:20,350 --> 01:41:20,710
Welcome

1581
01:41:20,710 --> 01:41:25,810
back. Thank you for your patience. Thank you for staying for such a long night.

1582
01:41:26,090 --> 01:41:29,630
Again, I'll repeat what I said to each one of you that we appreciate very much

1583
01:41:29,630 --> 01:41:32,890
the volunteerism and you are what makes this community great. Please keep up

1584
01:41:32,890 --> 01:41:40,590
doing what you're doing. Do I hear a motion to appoint Ellen Bailey to the

1585
01:41:40,590 --> 01:41:43,290
Board of Park and Rec Commission for the vacant seat.

1586
01:41:44,790 --> 01:41:45,410
Second?

1587
01:41:47,030 --> 01:41:47,650
Discussion?

1588
01:41:48,810 --> 01:41:49,530
All in favor?

1589
01:41:50,250 --> 01:41:50,450
Aye.

1590
01:41:51,030 --> 01:41:51,410
Opposed?

1591
01:41:52,210 --> 01:41:52,770
I'm staying.

1592
01:41:53,590 --> 01:41:54,150
Motion carries.

1593
01:41:55,590 --> 01:42:00,650
Next, do I hear a motion to add Patrick Shea to the open seat

1594
01:42:00,650 --> 01:42:03,810
or the vacant seat on the Economic Development Commission?

1595
01:42:04,150 --> 01:42:04,710
So moved.

1596
01:42:05,130 --> 01:42:05,350
Second.

1597
01:42:06,370 --> 01:42:06,930
Discussion?

1598
01:42:07,690 --> 01:42:08,470
All in favor?

1599
01:42:08,930 --> 01:42:09,230
Aye.

1600
01:42:09,230 --> 01:42:09,950
All right, opposed?

1601
01:42:10,670 --> 01:42:11,030
Stay.

1602
01:42:11,630 --> 01:42:12,230
Motion carries.

1603
01:42:13,010 --> 01:42:13,350
Thank you.

1604
01:42:14,430 --> 01:42:14,790
Dennis.

1605
01:42:15,090 --> 01:42:15,730
Tell them to get them.

1606
01:42:15,990 --> 01:42:17,250
Those go for that microphone.

1607
01:42:18,370 --> 01:42:18,770
What's that?

1608
01:42:19,010 --> 01:42:20,470
Oh, you look like you were trying to turn it on.

1609
01:42:20,590 --> 01:42:21,570
This isn't for those speakers.

1610
01:42:21,710 --> 01:42:22,870
No, I know it's for that mic.

1611
01:42:22,930 --> 01:42:23,510
Oh, OK.

1612
01:42:24,130 --> 01:42:25,410
Most of the time, it's off.

1613
01:42:25,690 --> 01:42:27,510
I don't know what to warn in at your earliest convenience.

1614
01:42:28,050 --> 01:42:29,630
Again, thank you, everybody, for your patience.

1615
01:42:29,810 --> 01:42:31,170
Don't forget to get them sworn in.

1616
01:42:31,370 --> 01:42:31,810
Just tell them.

1617
01:42:32,290 --> 01:42:33,750
Just thank you.

1618
01:42:34,210 --> 01:42:36,350
Please get sworn in, whatever you do, get sworn in.

1619
01:42:36,790 --> 01:42:37,790
Also get sworn in.

1620
01:42:37,790 --> 01:42:48,200
make a motion to adjourn. No, we have another executive session. Thank you. Second. A motion

1621
01:42:48,200 --> 01:42:54,400
for executive session. Who's first? Do I hear motion? Second. We're already adjourned.

1622
01:42:55,820 --> 01:43:03,800
All in favor? You're inviting Amy Jennings. And we shall go back into the executive session.

1623
01:43:10,140 --> 01:43:11,660
You're a motion to adjourn.

1624
01:43:12,040 --> 01:43:12,560
Second.

1625
01:43:13,300 --> 01:43:13,800
All in favor?

1626
01:43:14,300 --> 01:43:14,560
Aye.

1627
01:43:14,700 --> 01:43:15,000
Opposed?

1628
01:43:15,860 --> 01:43:16,380
Staying.

1629
01:43:16,540 --> 01:43:17,100
Motion carries.

1630
01:43:17,540 --> 01:43:18,040
Thank you.

1631
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:19,040
Meeting adjourned.