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Okay, everybody.

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July 27th, 2026 at 6:30 exactly.

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Finance.

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Randy here.

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Adrian here.

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>> Hover

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>> here. Moingham

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>> here.

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>> Nipper

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>> here. Fredo

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>> Shaw

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>> here.

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>> Swore

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>> here. Taylor

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>> here.

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>> Wilson

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>> here.

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>> Or

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>> here.

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I also like to know student rep Justin

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Jacobs is here today also.

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Okay. Um, if you'd like, we could stand

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for the pledge of allegiance. The flag

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is right over here.

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» I aliance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands, one nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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I'll also announce that our our other

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student represent

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agenda.

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>> Seconded

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by council person with this discussion.

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All in favor say I. I

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>> pass. Thank you.

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Go right into public comments. Please

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leave your comments to three minutes and

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start off with your name and your board

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or your city.

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Anybody like to do a public comment?

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Good evening, city council. Looks like

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this is a really nice basis. Familiar

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faces and new ones. My name is Katie

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Catchman and I'm from Ward 3 and I

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served on this council with some of you

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um from 2020 to 2024 and I want to speak

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in support of reducing the council from

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12 seats to six. Like you

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and I can tell you from experience that

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more seats did not mean better

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decisions. It meant longer meetings,

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group think, and votes that took more

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coordination to reach the same outcome.

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A similar group could have reached

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faster and more informed. And here's the

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part I saw first hand. This council is

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part-time. You're putting in evenings

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after your regular jobs, meeting only a

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few times a month for a salary that

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doesn't pay many bills. A council that

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size with that little dedicated time and

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no personal staff does not use its extra

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seats for deeper policy review. It uses

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them for longer debate on the same

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questions. 12 people trying to find

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agreement on a volunteer schedule is

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slower. Unfortunately, not more

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thorough. There's also real risk that

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comes with a body this size. It's large

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enough to split into competing factions,

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but way too underresourced to um tax to

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manage that the way bigger cities do

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with real committee structures and staff

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support. I watch coalitions form and

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shift on issues that have nothing to do

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with the merits simply because with 12

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people, there's more room for that kind

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of maneuvering. Six member council with

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a clear simple majority threshold would

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still represent every ward fairly and

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allow council candidates to show their

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wards that they're the best candidate

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when they're running for office.

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Reducing our council to six seats would

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not reduce representation. It would char

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members each carrying

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So, council, I just want to end by

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saying thanks for all you do and I know

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that you truly care about our city and

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want to see it succeed. So, I hope that

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you'll support bringing this to the

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voters and letting the voters decide.

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>> Thank you.

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My name is Patrick Paul. I'm

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I live in W 4. I've been there for 35

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years, but I'm here also to encourage

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you to reduce the size of your city

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council. I went to both of the community

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forums that we hosted and thank you all

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for those that participated. That was

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very successful and we talked about it

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there and the majority of the people

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that presented there were very much in

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favor or at least leaning towards doing

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Like like Kitty says, there's a lot of

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research on effective work groups and

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much of the Eric says, an effective work

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group is between five and eight people

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for all the reasons that Katie mentioned

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and I won't repeat those and there's

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others. The research is very clear that

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smaller work groups are far more

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effective. So I'm clear to you to

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proceed with uh considering that and

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hopefully you'll find in your favor city

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council size. Thank you very much. Thank

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» Third board. And I agree with these two.

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Um a couple years back, Shauna and I

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were um helping a lady that was running

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for a Senate up in Olympia. And I my job

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was to go to all the council meetings

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all over the state west coast is what

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our district was. So from here to Port

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Angeles to Long View and all that. They

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all had six people on their council. We

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have 12 and up until now none of you got

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along. It was broken in half. Some

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people couldn't think for themselves and

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had to have somebody else think for

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them. And having somebody, you know,

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having six where there's not all this

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bickering and backstabbing with you

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guys, I think would be a lot better to

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The other public comment

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seems I'll close the public comment

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period and we'll go on to our consent

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agenda. Council President

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>> Motion to approve tonight's consent

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agenda which includes minutes from the

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July 8th meeting.

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by council person. Is there any

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» All in favor? I

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» mayor speak

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a long here but I'll try

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first off

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got a letter here from the department of

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ecology and I'd just like to read it to

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I'll try to be quick honorable mayor for

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city of Aberdine congratulations the

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Aberdine wastewater treatment plant is

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receiving in the 2025 wastewater

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treatment plant outstanding performance

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award. Approximately 300 wastewater

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treatment plants statewide. Yours was

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among the top wastewater treatment plant

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operations. The 2025 ecology evaluates

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specific domestic wastewater treatment

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plant information for individual permit

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compliance. Your plant is one of the top

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performers for regularly meeting these

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urban criteria, including monitoring and

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data reporting. Ecology acknowledges the

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exceptional level of effort required to

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protect water quality and provide this

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quick service to your community.

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dedicated and proficient operators are essential

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to successful plant operations and to

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protecting the health of Washington's

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waters. Thank you uh for your continued

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excellent commitment that's from John

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water quality program manager for the

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state of Washington. I'd like to thank

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this group for what a wonderful job

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you're doing. Congratulations.

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the world that we live in is a loud and

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boisterous place. I recognize that the

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city of Aberine has received its fair

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share of critical feedback from

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stakeholders involved with homelessness

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uh challenges in the downtown business

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area. The hard work and efforts by the

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Aberine Police Department to address

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these issues to address these issues

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however do not go unnoticed. I am I am a

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partner with a law firm Ingrams Alaska

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Goodwills LLP. Our office is located a

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block behind city hall on First Street

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and Kitty Corner from the site of our

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city's infamous homeless encampment

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before and after implementation of this

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camp. We enjoyed many days at night with

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those dedicating in our lawns, urinating

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in our bushes,

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and lighting up their crack in the

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shadows of our office. No more. We've

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seen clear, visible, and measurable

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results. The area around our office and

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surrounding streets continue to appear

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safe, clean, and welcoming. Yes, more

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can be done, but the conditions have

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improved. Public spaces are enhanced.

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community concerns do not go unnoticed.

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These efforts reflect a meaningful

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commitment to both the public welfare

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and economic stability of Chief Dale

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Green and his team. I get it.

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Homelessness is a complex and sensitive

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issue that requires a thoughtful balance

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of compassion, accountability, and

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collaboration. is encouraging to see the

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city taking proactive steps towards

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solutions that support individuals in

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need while also safeguarding the

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integrity of our business community.

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Please extend my sincerest appreciations

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to Chief Dale Dream, the entire police

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department, staff and partners involved.

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this to acknowledge all the hard work

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around us and admit that we live and

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work in a pretty great area. I look

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forward to seeing continuous progress

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and appreciate your time and

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consideration

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last going through it. Right. Thank you

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chief. We appreciate you and thank you

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Ruth for your hard work.

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And the rest of this is oh here let's

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just move on to these. So uh so I have

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these uh three wonderful little council

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people that have that have gone out of

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their way and have have gotten their

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leadership certificates and uh council

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president swore got her advanced

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leadership certificate and they get

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these by achieving 30 points uh with the

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association of Washington cities. they

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have to uh look at videos or go to

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seminars. there's an assortment of

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things they could do and then one of

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them was also to go to

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their uh the meeting we just had at

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Spokane their state state meeting and it

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was a good meeting and so that pushed

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some of these representatives

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so they got their certificates and I

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just wanted to give them their certific

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>> Oh, president.

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the real good commitment of these

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leaders that they for taking the time to

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educate themselves and that's very much

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appreciated.

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Um, okay with a lot of this that I have

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something here. Basically, it's just a

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list of all the committees and things

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that I did last since the last meeting.

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The um our radio broadcast that Ruth and

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I do in the mornings after council

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meeting, day after went wonderful. It's

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nice that um since we've been doing the

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rere since we've been doing the ry has

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gotten nicer and some of the haters

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maybe are sleeping in late so they don't

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I'm sure administrative plans have made

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all the difference in the world coming

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um let's see I attended the Grace Harbor

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well I I'm the chairperson for the Grace

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Harbor Transit Authority they just did

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to

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logo that's going to be on the side. And

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I unfortunately didn't give the young

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lady's name, but it was there high

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school student who submitted the artwork

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and was selected as this event this

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year. It'll be a 250 250th anniversary

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logo

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hardware bus. And I just want you to

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know that when I was a kid in high

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school, I entered the same thing and I

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Let's see.

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So, uh, downtown right now there is

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aation

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right kind of in front of 118, uh, the

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build build or the maybe someday museum

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building downtown that the city owns. I

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plugged in one of our new Christmas

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decorations down there so people could

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get just an idea of what it's going to

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look like. So, those will be going up. I

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met this also our city electrician and we're figuring

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out the locations and getting

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electricity. So, we'll have some really

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beautiful new decorations just for

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Christmas. Hopefully, uh we'll have some

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new shops downtown and speaking of new

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shops downtown. Um I also attended the

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ribbon cutting for Dedris downtown

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Deli. I love their location over in

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Oakland, but I'm so much happier with

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them here in Aberine. And I think uh if

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you haven't been there, they have

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wonderful food. They're open

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Tuesday to Friday. Have a chance. It's

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free kind of limited hours, but their

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food is really worth it.

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Let's see. I also attended a award

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ceremony for business of the quarter

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from Greater Grace Harbor Incorporated

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and their lawyer multimedia.

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That young man has spent so much energy

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showing our city in such a positive

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light and he's really welld deserving of

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that. His wife Amy Emma also are

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celebrating their 40th anniversary so

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you see him congratulated.

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Then on the 17th uh we had our first

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museum transition committee meeting and

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I thought that went really well. I was

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really encouraged to see that the group

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of people that we have on that committee

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are all excited and willing to work

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together and I think I'm going to see

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good things coming from that that group

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in future.

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Okay, that's it. Sweet guys,

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for the council members, I have seven of

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these and it's point of order

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if you want it.

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They're sticking.

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Okay, that's the end of my report. Um,

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so you have

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council reports now and I guess just the

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student. Yes, go. I think this is his

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last name. Correct. Yeah. All right.

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Just a few things tonight. Um, the free

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summer lunches are still going on. You

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can find the dates and times on the

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Aberine School District Facebook or

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website. Also, the I high school

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football went to football camp about two

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weeks ago in Waci. And currently the

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cheer team is at cheer camp in Tacoma.

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Last night they won a banana which only

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one team wins a banana for being like

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the most spirited and showing great

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leadership. Um also later tonight you'll

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be voting on the reading um regarding

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city council. I'll share more about

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that. Um also this is my last council

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meeting. I want to thank you all for

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listening to my ideas figuring out how

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we can bring the youth closer. I also

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want to thank the citizens of Aberdine.

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I've enjoyed talking to you to learn

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about the youth struggles and serving as

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your representative on Aberine City

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Council. And some of you may ask what's

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going on next with me and in two weeks I

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will be moving to Phoenix, Arizona. Um

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so yeah, thank you.

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>> Thank you

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Council.

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Um so

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um on Wednesday I actually had two

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committee meetings. Uh noon the ethics

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committee met for the first time. Um and

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Glender Misky and Lindsay Thur here but

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um so we met on Wednesday and we'll have

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something to bring before you later on.

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Um this is brand new committee so we're

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still kind of learning the ropes too. So

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go easy on us. Um and then later after

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uh in the evening um Justin Jacobs,

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Michelle Nipper and I met and Deb Wilson

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and Dev Hodkin had chimed in by email

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and we went over all of the information

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that I brought back from Associated

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Washington City's office on setting up a

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youth uh council and we created uh the

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ordinance and changes that you will see

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later on in the Those we based off of um

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the city of Ridgefield's youth

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commission and then made our own changes

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for things like the size of that

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council. Um it was important to a few of

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us that we let the council themselves

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choose their topic rather than us

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assigning them one. So we made that

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change and then also having their

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president and vice president become our

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representatives on council. So that's

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what I was up to this week.

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Thank you. Any other council reports

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the

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harbor council?

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Uh unfortunately I was not able to

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attend the three meetings I had last

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week uh due to unemployment and need to

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assist my family but I am looking

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forward to the ENAP meetings this

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upcoming Monday. We'll be taking a tour

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around to discuss some potential

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opportunities. Also coming up next week

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is the grand opening for the B project

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down the court. Uh this event is

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expected to have nearly 600 attendees

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from all over the world and I'm looking

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forward to getting a new tour or a tour

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of the new facility as

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certificate leadership. I completed

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those requirements after attending the

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last conference in March for council

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leaders and I'm just glad that they were

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able to slow down long enough to

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recognize the hard work of myself and of

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the council members here today. I also

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want to just take a moment to remind

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everyone to share the community survey

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with folks in your network so they can

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complete it. The more answers we get,

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the more data we have, the more we can

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do. Thank you.

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>> Thank you. Any other chance

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staff reported by

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>> Thank you, mayor.

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Um, one of the things that we've been

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working hard on is the uh alternative

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response project. Um, the that one of

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the things items on the agenda tonight

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is for approval of the $145,000

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that we received from AWC

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um so that we can continue work on this.

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And um we upped the date um the go live

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date. We were hoping to make uh to

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launch the program on October 1. Um our

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partner CAP is very motivated and they

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moved it up to September one. So um this

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will keep us busy through the

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legislative break. Um as mayor stated,

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we met for the first time. The museum

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transition committee met. Um I will be

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facilitating the conversation and the

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discussion and the building of the

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project plan. Um, so if you have any

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questions, please feel free to reach out

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to me. As Sydney stated, um, or excuse

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me, Council President Swore stated, um,

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the Port of Grace Harbor does have a,

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um, big event on July 31. I really

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encourage all of you to be there if you

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can to show support for this project.

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is also kind of working in

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tandem with the US Highway 12 project as

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well. So, it's a good time to get some

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facetime with other legislative um

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elected officials there as well and

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really get a um there on the

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international lens. Um and in August I

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will be at or the second week of August

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I will be um at a city the statewide

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city managers conference in Kenowick. So

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um I will not be available during that

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time but I think we're still on set on

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break during that time. So, um, do you

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have any questions?

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>> Thank you very much. Hope yes.

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>> Just going to ask for the T4 expansion,

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is that a registration only event?

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Correct.

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>> Yeah, we I if you want if you haven't

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registered, I can definitely check with

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Kayla to make it is more about food than

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anything else. But if you didn't

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register and would like to go, we can

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get Perfect. Okay, I'll let

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Thank you very much.

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now director's reports.

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» Thank you. I just really wanted to thank

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you and Justin for stepping up. Um it's

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been an incredible experience having

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both of you here and having the voice

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and I I know the school appreciates us.

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I really we appreciate it. We've learned

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a lot from you. So I just really want to

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say I appreciate having your involvement

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and it makes a difference when you speak

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up.

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>> Thank you. any other directors like

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>> um I'm going to give a quick uh second

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quarter budget update. Um I did provide

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a copy for each of you at your spots and

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I'm just give me a minute if I share my

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students.

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Okay, so now we're we're halfway through

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the year. So we're through the second

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quarter, so we should be pretty close to

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um 50% on the we're looking for for

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revenues and expenditures.

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We're actually a little bit higher than

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in both of those categories. So our

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revenue collections are coming in at 58%

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for the end of the second quarter. Um

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part of that is due to we receive a

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large portion of our property taxes come

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in in April and May. Uh so that has a

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little bit to do with that. We're also

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still up in sales time. So that's also

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contributing um in we had a the HCA jail

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re-entry grant was also a large

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intergovernmental that we received in

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the first part of the year. Uh we're

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also a little higher in our

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expenditures. We're at 54%.

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And some of this is due to the um delay

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of the EMS cost allocation change. So,

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we were still subsidizing EMS out of the

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general fund for that first quarter of

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the year. We were able to add $985,000

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to general fund reserves through the first two quarters of the

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year.

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We look at we'll look at some details.

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So, as I mentioned, um our property

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taxes is at 59% and that's because we

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received a word version of that already.

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sales taxes coming in at 55% and you can

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see the intergovernmental news about is

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167%.

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I kind of already went through a few of

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these because I talked about them in the

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first slide. So this is basically just

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talking about the uh intergovernmental

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revenues why those are up and the

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property tax and then overall general

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fund is is up for revenues through the

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works two quarters of the year. uh we

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are up 12% over revenues from last year.

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00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:24,960
And then on our general fund

552
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,360
expenditures, this is just a breakdown

553
00:26:27,360 --> 00:26:29,279
of the different types of expenditures

554
00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:30,799
in the general fund through the first

555
00:26:30,799 --> 00:26:33,919
two quarters.

556
00:26:33,919 --> 00:26:36,240
And again, we're breaking down the grant

557
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,480
categories in the general fund. And

558
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,000
we're coming out at the 54% mark. Again

559
00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,960
pointing out fire is at 82% currently

560
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:50,720
but that is due to again the delayed ENS

561
00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,640
increase. So the allocation was delayed

562
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,919
as well. Our general fund reserves uh

563
00:26:55,919 --> 00:26:59,120
the target for reserves is 90 days and

564
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,520
we are currently at 92 days in cash. Um

565
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:03,120
through the first quarter we were not

566
00:27:03,120 --> 00:27:05,360
meeting that target. Uh we are meeting

567
00:27:05,360 --> 00:27:08,159
that target now mostly due to receipt of

568
00:27:08,159 --> 00:27:11,279
our property tax. Um and so we're

569
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:13,279
currently at on net und designated

570
00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:16,960
reserves 5.4 million and that does not

571
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,840
include any of the um armory money

572
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:23,200
that's excluding all of that money.

573
00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:26,720
Uh so our DMS just breaking down our EMS

574
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,120
special revenue fund

575
00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:32,240
and um again this one's kind of a little

576
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:33,840
bit in the negative right now and that

577
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,480
is again because of the delay of the EMS

578
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,559
rate increase. So I do think we'll see

579
00:27:38,559 --> 00:27:40,480
that come into the positive for the

580
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,000
source of um source or use of reserves

581
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,640
as we move through the year. It has kind

582
00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:47,919
of caught up a little bit in this past

583
00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:50,559
quarter. So and then we just break down

584
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:52,720
the utility funds. Um there's a lot of

585
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:54,640
details on here so I I don't want to

586
00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:59,510
bore you too much.

587
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:01,520
We're doing we're doing well on our

588
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,080
utility funds. And then there's some

589
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,360
additional um revenue that are also

590
00:28:07,360 --> 00:28:09,600
provided at the back of the packet that

591
00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,559
have lots of information. So please let

592
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:14,080
me know if you have any questions about

593
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:16,399
any of that and I can answer questions

594
00:28:16,399 --> 00:28:21,350
right now too if you have

595
00:28:21,360 --> 00:28:24,080
and we are working through um 2027

596
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,440
budget right now. We have the worksheets

597
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,360
out to the directors. So they're

598
00:28:29,360 --> 00:28:31,679
currently retire

599
00:28:31,679 --> 00:28:33,520
budget numbers. those will come back to

600
00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:35,039
us and then we'll be having a budget

601
00:28:35,039 --> 00:28:36,799
workshop with with all of you on

602
00:28:36,799 --> 00:28:39,120
September 2nd at so make sure you have

603
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:41,760
that on your calendar and uh you know

604
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:43,600
the last budget workshop was great so

605
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:44,880
we're looking forward to another good

606
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,880
one

607
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:51,669
any questions

608
00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:52,320
thank you

609
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,880
>> thank you

610
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:59,830
any other

611
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,720
move on to a presentation we have

612
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,320
at Twin Harbor Water Keepers 6.

613
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:09,440
>> Hi. Hi everybody. I'm I'm Lee Hurst. I'm

614
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,279
your Twin Harbors water keeper.

615
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:13,360
>> I was really glad to get to Aberdeen

616
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:18,870
tonight because it was 30° cooler

617
00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:21,200
where I was

618
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:23,120
um

619
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:27,750
Katie gets that going

620
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:29,039
is

621
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:31,039
>> Yeah. your name again.

622
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:33,679
>> Yes. Lee first.

623
00:29:33,679 --> 00:29:35,520
I'm the Twin Harbors Water Keepers.

624
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,080
We're a nonprofit. We've worked in Grace

625
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,240
Harbor and other wersheds on the

626
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,440
southwest coast for the last nine years.

627
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:46,799
And Twin Harbor is one of 300 water

628
00:29:46,799 --> 00:29:49,440
keepers all around the world that work

629
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:51,440
for fishable, drinkable, swimmable

630
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:52,960
water.

631
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,520
So, in addition, I mostly work in the

632
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:57,679
Shahalis wersheds and I live right on

633
00:29:57,679 --> 00:29:59,760
the Shahalis River.

634
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:01,520
Um,

635
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:04,799
yeah. So, I'm I'm thrilled that I was in

636
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:06,720
invited to come tonight and I want to

637
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,240
thank Nick Bird for inviting me. Is he

638
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:10,960
here?

639
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,960
>> He's online. Okay.

640
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,720
>> He is online, so he he'll hear me. Thank

641
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:15,840
you.

642
00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:21,760
>> Hi, Nick. Um, so we we have had six or

643
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,240
three different two-year grants from the

644
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,240
Department of Ecology called public

645
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:29,120
participation grants. And the purpose of

646
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:30,960
these grants is to educate the public

647
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,159
about contaminating sites and to

648
00:30:34,159 --> 00:30:37,120
encourage people to participate in the

649
00:30:37,120 --> 00:30:39,520
cleanup process.

650
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:41,679
Next

651
00:30:41,679 --> 00:30:45,360
um and so kind of the the backbone of

652
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,480
our work is educating people about the

653
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:51,440
model toxics control act and that's like

654
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:57,279
the state version of super law. Um

655
00:30:57,279 --> 00:31:01,279
there's over 14,000 cleanup sites in

656
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:05,279
Washington and about 141 are in Grace

657
00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:08,799
Harbor County. Um

658
00:31:08,799 --> 00:31:11,760
many of these are are the ones in Grace

659
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,840
Harbor County and across the state like

660
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:16,080
they can include small sites like gas

661
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,720
stations or you know places where

662
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:21,600
there's been spills. Um, but some of

663
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,000
them are large, complicated sites that

664
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,389
take years to clean up.

665
00:31:28,399 --> 00:31:30,480
And so the goal of Washington's

666
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,440
Cleveland law is to protect people and

667
00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:36,159
the environment and the animals

668
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:41,120
from contaminants in soil, groundwater,

669
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,830
and water and air.

670
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,399
Um, so what is a contaminated site? Um,

671
00:31:50,399 --> 00:31:52,240
you guys probably know because you have

672
00:31:52,240 --> 00:31:56,399
your share of them here, right? Um,

673
00:31:56,399 --> 00:31:59,279
you know, in in the nine years that I've

674
00:31:59,279 --> 00:32:02,480
been here, I've seen one complicated

675
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,679
site get cleaned up, and that was the

676
00:32:05,679 --> 00:32:10,000
hungry whale in Westport. Oh, that that

677
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:11,760
site. Are are you guys familiar with

678
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,640
that? it it was a gas station

679
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,799
convenience store and they had a

680
00:32:16,799 --> 00:32:19,200
gasoline tank leak and so it

681
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,440
contaminated groundwater and surface

682
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,080
water and so they went through the

683
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:28,720
cleanup process which is outlined there

684
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:33,840
um is a series of steps and and the the

685
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,960
little orange bubble thing is where the

686
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:40,159
public has an opportunity to comment.

687
00:32:40,159 --> 00:32:44,480
And so most cleanups in Washington are

688
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,960
cleaned up using this process which

689
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,480
includes

690
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,720
um a remedial investigation where the

691
00:32:50,720 --> 00:32:53,120
site is characterized with samples and

692
00:32:53,120 --> 00:33:00,480
so so um I'm just going to mention the proposed wood power plant site. So

693
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,240
that that is is not going through this

694
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,559
formal cleanup process because the court

695
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:09,919
and the proponents have elected to do

696
00:33:09,919 --> 00:33:12,960
the voluntary cleanup process there. And

697
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,000
so they still have to achieve the same

698
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,919
cleanup standards but but they don't but

699
00:33:19,919 --> 00:33:21,760
there's no opportunity for public

700
00:33:21,760 --> 00:33:23,360
comment.

701
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:27,519
Whereas at Cosmos Specialty Fibers, you

702
00:33:27,519 --> 00:33:29,679
know, the state of Washington now is

703
00:33:29,679 --> 00:33:32,159
trying to get the owner

704
00:33:32,159 --> 00:33:35,679
to, you know, not only characterize and

705
00:33:35,679 --> 00:33:37,919
remove and

706
00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:40,320
sample and stabilize the site with all

707
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,960
the massive amount of chemicals that are

708
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,000
stored there. But they're also, you

709
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,559
know, the next big step at that site

710
00:33:48,559 --> 00:33:51,440
once it's stabilized is to do a remedial

711
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,840
investigation. And that that's a process

712
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:57,200
with sampling that kind of characterizes

713
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,840
and maps out where the pollution is

714
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,559
because a lot of the stuff there we

715
00:34:02,559 --> 00:34:04,159
don't know because it's not fully

716
00:34:04,159 --> 00:34:07,519
characterized yet. And so sometimes this

717
00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:11,040
process takes 25 years and I lived in

718
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:12,800
Bellingham for most of my life and there

719
00:34:12,800 --> 00:34:16,000
was a large um

720
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,800
GP had a giant pole mill there that

721
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,200
closed and it went through the cleanup

722
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,679
process there and it took about 20

723
00:34:23,679 --> 00:34:27,510
years.

724
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:32,639
Um and so you know the the reason that

725
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,480
there are

726
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,919
sever a half dozen or so large

727
00:34:37,919 --> 00:34:41,440
complicated sites in Aberine and Opium

728
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,119
is that there was there were many

729
00:34:43,119 --> 00:34:45,919
facilities that operated before the

730
00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:48,079
Clean Water Act. And so then you know

731
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:51,599
there was no law no framework of laws

732
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:55,040
that prohibited discharges into water or

733
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,200
soil or ground for seven. So now we have

734
00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:03,200
the Clean Water Act and it's illegal to

735
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:06,960
discharge pollution without without a

736
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:12,390
permit, a pollution discharge permit.

737
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,640
And so one of my favorite things about

738
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:16,400
this this work, which sounds kind of

739
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:21,680
nuts, is there's a really fascinating

740
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,320
um mapping tool

741
00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:29,119
that Department of Ecology manages and it's called what's in my

742
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:33,200
neighborhood. And so if you use your

743
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:36,000
search engine and pull up what's in my

744
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,480
neighborhood, you get the whole state

745
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,240
and you get all these little dots

746
00:35:42,240 --> 00:35:45,440
here and and so you can you can go to

747
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,280
the dots and click on them and then

748
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,280
you'll get the site that you're

749
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:53,359
interested in.

750
00:35:53,359 --> 00:35:56,480
So um

751
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:58,800
I think this is Cosmo.

752
00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,760
>> Yeah.

753
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:02,720
So um so so you can click on that and

754
00:36:02,720 --> 00:36:04,560
then you'll get for Cosmo there's a lot

755
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:13,359
of documents you know you'll get 20 that have been written over the years

756
00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:15,839
and and so you can look at you know

757
00:36:15,839 --> 00:36:18,880
court orders um

758
00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:23,440
past legal documents you know lots and

759
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:25,520
lots of reading

760
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,760
next

761
00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:31,200
um and and So there's a new tool that

762
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:32,800
department of ecology was started to

763
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,320
use. It's called the sharp tool and

764
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:36,720
there's a hydrogeeologist staff at

765
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:41,280
ecology who ranks these sites using this

766
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:45,280
tool and it assesses the exposure and

767
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,960
the severity of the risk. And so if you

768
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,560
open up one of the little dots and look

769
00:36:52,560 --> 00:36:55,760
at the documents up in the corner,

770
00:36:55,760 --> 00:37:01,040
you'll or on on one of on on the site um

771
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,000
one of the main documents there you'll

772
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:09,200
see what the sharp rating is. Next

773
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,599
um you know I am very concerned about

774
00:37:13,599 --> 00:37:15,760
the site.

775
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:18,079
Um, I have trouble sleeping at night

776
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:20,160
sometimes. I'm so worried about it. You

777
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:22,800
know, I

778
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:26,240
800,000 gallons of toxic chemicals in

779
00:37:26,240 --> 00:37:28,240
leaking tanks

780
00:37:28,240 --> 00:37:30,480
right next to the river. And then

781
00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:34,320
there's another 1.7 million gallons of

782
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:38,560
stuff in improperly stored tanks and

783
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:42,640
buildings. And um, you know, I think

784
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,920
this is an emergency.

785
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,240
Thanks.

786
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:52,800
Um, and I go walk on the trail.

787
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,000
Does anybody here go walk on that trail?

788
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,160
It's Yeah. You know, it's pretty

789
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,160
interesting cuz you all know this.

790
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:01,760
There's no power, there's no water,

791
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,520
there's no security, there's no nothing

792
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,680
out there. And people are stealing wires

793
00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,520
out there. And and uh and this is the

794
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:13,520
wastewater.

795
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:16,079
and it's supposed to be being airrated

796
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:18,240
as part of the treatment and it's been a

797
00:38:18,240 --> 00:38:20,560
couple years since it's been airrated

798
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,079
and I'm a paddler. I paddle by the

799
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:28,079
outside of these things and the the the

800
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:32,880
BMS of these walls are eroded

801
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:37,680
and that that worries me. Next,

802
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,520
um

803
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:43,280
I don't know if I have time. Let's see.

804
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:47,440
But this is so Department of Ecology

805
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,200
issued a legal document last year, an

806
00:38:51,200 --> 00:38:54,960
agreed order demanding that the owner

807
00:38:54,960 --> 00:38:56,880
conduct a remedial investigation

808
00:38:56,880 --> 00:39:01,599
instead. And he has not done that.

809
00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:06,800
And and I can provide you guys this a

810
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,760
copy of of this agreed order. It's it's

811
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:11,760
really interesting because it shows, you

812
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,000
know, the names of all the buildings and

813
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:16,720
these are the primary treatment

814
00:39:16,720 --> 00:39:19,920
tank or systems and then here's where

815
00:39:19,920 --> 00:39:23,920
the outfall is. Um,

816
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,280
and I I didn't know that until I I read

817
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,870
the door.

818
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,200
Thanks.

819
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:36,640
And this is so and then more recently

820
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:40,400
the EPA came in and did a an analysis

821
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:42,960
and a site evaluation

822
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:44,800
that's called the renewable site

823
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:48,960
evaluation report and and they did a

824
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,520
pretty pretty good characterization

825
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,160
of where the tanks are and what's in

826
00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:56,880
them gaps.

827
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,640
Um

828
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,920
and and so it's that I spent a whole day

829
00:40:01,920 --> 00:40:07,280
reading 118 tanks long. It says there's

830
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,079
in addition to the 800,000 gallons of

831
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:16,240
toxic chemicals being stored there, are also 28 tanks containing over

832
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:20,720
1.7 million gallons of chemicals.

833
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:24,320
Um and the digestive tanks may be over

834
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:29,349
gallons of solid

835
00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:37,270
and the possibility of the whole thing.

836
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,160
Um I'm sure you guys saw the article by

837
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,560
Wayneier

838
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:45,599
the thirst county commissioner. that

839
00:40:45,599 --> 00:40:49,280
goes into the daily world and he's a

840
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:52,640
city of Aberine firefighter, right? And

841
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:56,000
I had a meeting with him last week.

842
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:57,920
Um,

843
00:40:57,920 --> 00:41:01,440
and as part of our grant, we're we're

844
00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:04,240
starting to organize a public meeting

845
00:41:04,240 --> 00:41:08,880
about this. And so if if you guys have

846
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:10,960
ideas about who you would like to be on

847
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,440
a panel of seven,

848
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,359
I hope you'll let me know.

849
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:17,280
next.

850
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,040
Um

851
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,119
yeah, so this is just the headline you

852
00:41:21,119 --> 00:41:23,599
see on the lines that I think this was

853
00:41:23,599 --> 00:41:26,160
about two years ago.

854
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:30,079
Um and you know in addition to having

855
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:34,400
public meetings and and producing um

856
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:36,960
gasoline

857
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,200
site maps that we put out and we have

858
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,520
public meetings and we do presentations

859
00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:46,480
um we do tours and so the last couple

860
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,040
tours that we've done from tours from

861
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,200
the public right away like you know we

862
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:53,760
can't go into hospitals or any of the

863
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:58,079
sites but from blue smooth roads. I find

864
00:41:58,079 --> 00:41:59,920
it very concerning that the site is

865
00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:03,280
flooding. Even when there's a low tide

866
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:07,040
and that's I think it's because of the

867
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:09,920
but you know having a site that's

868
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,599
contaminated

869
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:16,400
flooding is not a good thing.

870
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,680
Um and so back to this. So if you click

871
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,800
on on one of the little dots on the

872
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,640
what's on so this is another

873
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:28,800
um

874
00:42:28,800 --> 00:42:31,599
this is what you get to see if you click

875
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,560
on the what's in your neighborhood map

876
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:40,470
or the interactive site.

877
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,560
I spend a lot of time looking at this. I

878
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:47,270
hope you at least take a look.

879
00:42:47,280 --> 00:42:52,240
Um, so if if you click on Cosmos V5

880
00:42:52,240 --> 00:42:54,079
Reserve, any one of the sites, you have

881
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:56,000
a little button right here, subscribe to

882
00:42:56,000 --> 00:42:57,920
the site.

883
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,240
So if you subscribe to the site, you

884
00:43:00,240 --> 00:43:02,640
know, they ask the for your email. You

885
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:04,160
can put your email in there and then

886
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,880
every time there's an update, you'll get

887
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,480
it, which is kind of handy. Um, and then

888
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:15,280
I want to show you it says the D

889
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,880
download the site report.

890
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,240
It'll give you that star rating

891
00:43:22,240 --> 00:43:25,359
about whether the rest of the site is

892
00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:29,359
high, medium or low.

893
00:43:29,359 --> 00:43:32,000
Yeah,

894
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:33,760
you know, these are some of the other

895
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,760
sites that are big complicated sites

896
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,160
that are this is this one is in the

897
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,400
cleanup process now.

898
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,040
Um there's a remedial investigation

899
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,359
that's underway

900
00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:48,960
and um there was a public meeting

901
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:51,440
about a year ago

902
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:56,800
and um I find it very interesting that

903
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:59,920
during upsets of this plant there was an

904
00:43:59,920 --> 00:44:03,280
underground pipe that piped the effluent

905
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:05,520
to Reedi Island

906
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:09,680
to an unlined lagoon.

907
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:11,280
um you know that's just the way things

908
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,599
were done before the three moder but

909
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:15,280
that that's not the way things were done

910
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,800
now.

911
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:18,640
Yes.

912
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:21,280
Um this this is another site that I find

913
00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,160
very concerning because

914
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,319
nothing has happened here in a really

915
00:44:26,319 --> 00:44:28,800
long time

916
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:34,960
and I think we need to to

917
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:37,520
let department of ecology know that we

918
00:44:37,520 --> 00:44:41,359
are concerned about these sites and try

919
00:44:41,359 --> 00:44:44,720
to push for more cleanup

920
00:44:44,720 --> 00:44:47,520
more and faster cleanup. I mean here

921
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:50,480
they sand blasted boats

922
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,560
for a long time before the clean water

923
00:44:52,560 --> 00:45:00,480
act was which is was common but all the particles zinc copper and things

924
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,160
like that that are used in boat paint

925
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,839
are in the center there

926
00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:07,440
next

927
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,440
and then there's the warehouse or sill

928
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,839
aine you know this is also undergoing a

929
00:45:11,839 --> 00:45:14,880
cleanup process but it's proceeding at a

930
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:24,550
very slow

931
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:27,599
So, um, I had a really good experience

932
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:30,720
with your pollution prevention or your

933
00:45:30,720 --> 00:45:33,520
pollution hotline. I was walking by the

934
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,079
Avenue by the lock pavilions during a

935
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:39,040
very low tide about 10 days ago and I

936
00:45:39,040 --> 00:45:43,990
looked down in is it Joe Creek?

937
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:47,910
Detroit that's right by the Avenue

938
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,040
» and the tide was like a minus three foot

939
00:45:51,040 --> 00:45:53,680
tide. I looked down and there's a derel

940
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,040
vessel in the bottom of the of the creek

941
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:59,280
and so we called

942
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:03,760
>> your guys's hotline and you came the

943
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:07,760
next day and took it out. It was amaz

944
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:09,359
I think it's a shopping cart that was

945
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:11,359
there.

946
00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:13,839
Well, well, I you know, to me, shopping

947
00:46:13,839 --> 00:46:16,960
carts are not a big deal

948
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,880
>> compared to this other shop, but it I

949
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,079
really do I really appreciated that you

950
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:27,599
guys took that Darl and Bess and I think

951
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:30,800
I only have one more.

952
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,960
Yes. So, um we'd be happy if you guys

953
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:37,200
stayed in touch with us. I'm retiring in

954
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:41,839
a week, but Maya Ronwat is our new water

955
00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:44,800
keeper and she's online now.

956
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,309
And um

957
00:46:48,319 --> 00:46:51,040
so Oh, okay.

958
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,640
Yeah. And everybody, thank you guys for

959
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:55,040
letting me come talk.

960
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:59,270
>> You have any question?

961
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:01,280
» I just like a copy of your PowerPoint if

962
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:01,760
you could.

963
00:47:01,760 --> 00:47:02,160
>> Yeah.

964
00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:06,950
>> Make sure to get that. you can

965
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:07,599
» um

966
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:10,079
>> will it be the process if like Pauly

967
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:12,640
declares like a citywide emergency or

968
00:47:12,640 --> 00:47:15,040
the state does like a like a state of

969
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,599
emergency type thing? Well, I'm really

970
00:47:17,599 --> 00:47:19,440
glad you asked that because I neglected

971
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:23,440
to say so. So, the the um Department of

972
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:26,400
Excology

973
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:29,280
um issued the the thirsty county

974
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:34,079
superior court has issued a an order for

975
00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:37,599
them to uh that includes a restraining

976
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:41,040
order that they have to start following

977
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,200
the steps of the agreed order that was

978
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,800
issued a year ago. And then EPA has also

979
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:49,440
stepped in and according to my

980
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:52,400
understanding and the EPA won't engage

981
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:54,400
with with me for some reason. and they

982
00:47:54,400 --> 00:47:58,079
don't answer my questions, but

983
00:47:58,079 --> 00:48:02,000
they they've told me that they're giving

984
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,800
Richard Basset 6 months to comply with

985
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:09,920
the agreed order. And if he doesn't,

986
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:13,839
then EPA and ecology will go in and

987
00:48:13,839 --> 00:48:16,720
either remove or stabilize all those

988
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:20,400
toxic gallons of chemicals.

989
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,520
And if if it would be of interest to any

990
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,559
of you, I I did a public disclosure

991
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:29,040
request and and and I have all those

992
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:36,470
documents if anyone.

993
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,880
» Yes. John,

994
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,440
>> wait. What is the city of cosmopolics

995
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,280
doing in legislative positions like

996
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,920
that?

997
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,800
>> I think they're not able to do much. You know,

998
00:48:50,800 --> 00:48:54,640
they don't have a fire department. They

999
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:57,359
That's a good question. You know, I I

1000
00:48:57,359 --> 00:48:59,839
talked to Linda Stringer

1001
00:48:59,839 --> 00:49:01,760
because I told her that we're organizing

1002
00:49:01,760 --> 00:49:04,160
this public meeting

1003
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:08,240
and she said that she wants to wait

1004
00:49:08,240 --> 00:49:10,640
because some information is going to

1005
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,319
come out

1006
00:49:12,319 --> 00:49:15,200
from ecology and the EPA.

1007
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:18,079
And I I don't know what she's talking

1008
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:20,160
about. you know that he I don't know if

1009
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,040
she's actually read those documents that

1010
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:26,800
say he has six months to comply

1011
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,839
but um yeah

1012
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:31,599
I can try to find out

1013
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:33,280
>> I'm just curious where they are is

1014
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:34,480
they're back here.

1015
00:49:34,480 --> 00:49:38,559
>> Yeah I think they're for you know for a

1016
00:49:38,559 --> 00:49:41,920
generation. So I I think when we look at

1017
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,319
it from Aberdine, we need to be well

1018
00:49:44,319 --> 00:49:47,119
aware of where where Cosmopolis.

1019
00:49:47,119 --> 00:49:47,839
>> Yeah,

1020
00:49:47,839 --> 00:49:49,280
>> they seem like they're in the first

1021
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:51,680
chair.

1022
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,559
>> Yeah, I think the EPA andology need to

1023
00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:57,359
come in and

1024
00:49:57,359 --> 00:49:59,359
stabilize, you know, but it's going to

1025
00:49:59,359 --> 00:50:02,559
be very complicated and removing all

1026
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:04,559
those chemicals is going to be a major

1027
00:50:04,559 --> 00:50:06,559
ordeal.

1028
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:10,240
>> Thank you. Yeah.

1029
00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:12,079
Okay.

1030
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:13,839
Are the chemicals do they still hold

1031
00:50:13,839 --> 00:50:15,280
value? Are they

1032
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,599
>> Well, yes. And well, according to

1033
00:50:17,599 --> 00:50:19,760
Richard Basset, yes. So, he wants to

1034
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:21,920
restart it.

1035
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,240
And the reason that he's held on to the

1036
00:50:24,240 --> 00:50:28,240
chemicals is they'd be worth

1037
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:30,880
money to him if he was able to restart

1038
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,640
it. I think the chances of him being

1039
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:38,720
able to restart it are almost zero.

1040
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:40,800
But, you know, don't take my word for

1041
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,880
it, you know, because he's under these

1042
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:47,040
orders to remove it. And he doesn't have

1043
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:50,309
investors

1044
00:50:50,319 --> 00:50:52,720
and you know, we all see the condition

1045
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:59,270
of the place, right?

1046
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,000
» Yeah. We know that that does affect that

1047
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,720
there is a pipeline going for our city

1048
00:51:04,720 --> 00:51:07,760
to those settling funds. Yeah,

1049
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:08,640
>> they also said,

1050
00:51:08,640 --> 00:51:10,480
>> right, that yes, there's the the

1051
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,680
Woodstay pipe that goes under South Aine

1052
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:17,359
three miles. This leaks it's had 17

1053
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:19,920
leaks over

1054
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:25,760
the last 15 years and Yeah.

1055
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:27,520
So, we are going to organize a

1056
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,319
meeting and maybe um Maya can work with

1057
00:51:30,319 --> 00:51:32,800
you, Doug or

1058
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:38,640
Rick or Nick to see if from

1059
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,760
or you would I don't know if you'd be

1060
00:51:41,760 --> 00:51:44,880
interested in being on the panel.

1061
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:47,359
Um

1062
00:51:47,359 --> 00:51:49,440
yeah so we're looking for people to be

1063
00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,599
on the panel and Autran who's the

1064
00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,680
engineer from ecology she'll she'll be

1065
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,950
on the Wayne for

1066
00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,800
still working on the details for the

1067
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,000
date but it'll probably be in October

1068
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:05,040
>> thank you so much

1069
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:30,069
>> thank you.

1070
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:32,480
» Oh, that's me.

1071
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:38,870
I don't know why I thought. Okay. Wait.

1072
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:42,000
Okay, so we met earlier and I have a

1073
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,200
couple of things to share. Um, the

1074
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:48,160
Emergency Preparedness Expo is coming up

1075
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:51,920
on Saturday from 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m.

1076
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,760
It's going to be over at the Olympic

1077
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:56,400
Gateway Plaza by Tractor Supply. There's

1078
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:57,680
going to be all kinds of stuff going on

1079
00:52:57,680 --> 00:53:01,440
there. Um, so if you are around, stop by

1080
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,240
and check that out. Um, and then also

1081
00:53:06,240 --> 00:53:08,079
National Night Out is coming up on

1082
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:10,880
Tuesday, August 4th, and that will run

1083
00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,920
from 5:30 to 7:30. And if anyone is

1084
00:53:13,920 --> 00:53:16,880
interested in hosting a block party and

1085
00:53:16,880 --> 00:53:19,359
would like um the police and fire to

1086
00:53:19,359 --> 00:53:22,079
stop by, then you need to get a hold of

1087
00:53:22,079 --> 00:53:24,880
Ross Lampy and let him know and then

1088
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:26,480
they will make a list for everyone to

1089
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:31,200
stop by. Um, last year Deb and I went to

1090
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,280
um all of the ones in our ward and I

1091
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,839
highly recommend that to everyone and

1092
00:53:35,839 --> 00:53:38,559
you can get the list from Ross and he

1093
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:40,400
will meet happily share with you and

1094
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:41,760
then you can go to all the ones in your

1095
00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:44,960
ward and and meet all the people that

1096
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,359
you are serving. Um, for requests, we

1097
00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:50,880
have

1098
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:53,520
a request recommending city council host

1099
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,920
a public hearing to receive public

1100
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:58,880
testimony on the ordinance amending AMC

1101
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:02,559
chapter 12.04 to establish new sections

1102
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:05,200
related to a temporary alley alley

1103
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:08,079
closure program for protection of public

1104
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:09,760
health, safety, and welfare. And that is

1105
00:54:09,760 --> 00:54:13,040
bill number 2609.

1106
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,280
And I move that we accept this request.

1107
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:16,960
Second

1108
00:54:16,960 --> 00:54:19,440
>> and seconded by council.

1109
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:22,880
Is there any discussion on this?

1110
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:26,880
All in favor of public hearing.

1111
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:28,800
>> I

1112
00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:32,150
post

1113
00:54:32,160 --> 00:54:35,200
public hearing. If anybody would like to

1114
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:45,030
comment on this request

1115
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,480
to close the public hearing

1116
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:49,760
>> salute second

1117
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,040
approve this hearing discussion on this

1118
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,559
all in favor of closing the public

1119
00:54:54,559 --> 00:54:55,680
hearing

1120
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,190
>> I

1121
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,280
thank you.

1122
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,280
Okay, we have a second reading

1123
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,200
recommending city council approve the

1124
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:09,040
ordinance amending AMC chapter 12.04 to

1125
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:10,880
establish new sections related to a

1126
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:13,119
temporary alley closure program for

1127
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:14,640
protection of public health safety and

1128
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,760
welfare bill number 2609

1129
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:30,710
and then acceptance.

1130
00:55:30,720 --> 00:55:33,280
All in favor of accepting the second

1131
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,520
reading recommending city council

1132
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,920
approve the ordinance amending AMC

1133
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,880
chapter 12.04 04 to establish new

1134
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:43,599
sections related to the temporary

1135
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:46,800
closure program for protection of public

1136
00:55:46,800 --> 00:55:51,520
health, safety and welfare built dash

1137
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:54,640
bill 26-09.

1138
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:54,960
Say

1139
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:59,510
>> I

1140
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:12,789
thank you.

1141
00:56:12,799 --> 00:56:15,280
I was like

1142
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:18,640
that was the next reading as the third

1143
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:20,400
second.

1144
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,160
>> Seconded by council person

1145
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,400
make the second reading the third

1146
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,040
discussion.

1147
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:36,470
All in favor say I.

1148
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:39,829
Ramsey,

1149
00:56:39,839 --> 00:56:40,400
» yes.

1150
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:41,280
>> Hodkin,

1151
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:41,839
>> yes.

1152
00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:42,480
>> Hover.

1153
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:43,040
>> Yes.

1154
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:44,640
>> Moingham,

1155
00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:46,799
>> yes.

1156
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:47,839
>> Fredo,

1157
00:56:47,839 --> 00:56:48,640
>> yes.

1158
00:56:48,640 --> 00:56:49,520
>> Rick,

1159
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:50,319
>> yes.

1160
00:56:50,319 --> 00:56:50,880
>> Shaw,

1161
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:53,280
>> yes.

1162
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:54,000
>> Taylor,

1163
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:54,559
>> yes.

1164
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:55,440
>> Wilson,

1165
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:57,520
>> yes. Motion passes.

1166
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:01,430
>> Thank you very much.

1167
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:03,599
Next, we have a request recommending

1168
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:05,040
city council authorized city

1169
00:57:05,040 --> 00:57:06,960
administrator to enter into an agreement

1170
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:08,480
with the association of Washington

1171
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,640
Cities approving the acceptance of the

1172
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,359
funding for the ACT program. And I move

1173
00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:17,440
that we accept this second

1174
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:21,670
by council person.

1175
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:26,789
discussion on this

1176
00:57:26,799 --> 00:57:29,520
request of the city council to the city

1177
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,920
administrator to agree with the

1178
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:33,599
association of Washington cities

1179
00:57:33,599 --> 00:57:36,400
including the acceptance of the funding

1180
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,640
for the act program say I

1181
00:57:38,640 --> 00:57:46,630
>> IO

1182
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:51,190
public works with chairperson person

1183
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:57,990
were met earlier today.

1184
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,400
So, let's get into it. First, we have a

1185
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:03,520
request recommending the city council to

1186
00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:05,359
public hearing to receive public

1187
00:58:05,359 --> 00:58:08,160
testimony

1188
00:58:08,160 --> 00:58:11,990
section

1189
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:16,950
number 26-13.

1190
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:18,559
Second. It's

1191
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:21,520
>> been second to open the public hearing.

1192
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,480
Any discussions?

1193
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:28,000
All in favor say I.

1194
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:31,750
>> Any oppose?

1195
00:58:31,760 --> 00:58:33,920
7:28

1196
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:36,000
public hearing. Anybody would like to

1197
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:39,200
talk and have any comments about our

1198
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:46,069
vacant.

1199
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:49,680
I'll take motion to close

1200
00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:50,559
>> second.

1201
00:58:50,559 --> 00:58:53,119
>> Seconded by council person.

1202
00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:56,000
Is there any discussion on this?

1203
00:58:56,000 --> 00:59:09,109
>> All in favor of public say I. I.

1204
00:59:09,119 --> 00:59:10,720
» All right. Thank you. Uh we've got three

1205
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,319
reports tonight. The first one is the

1206
00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:14,880
second reading. So first recommend the

1207
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:18,640
city council approved

1208
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,150
building section

1209
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:26,950
bill 26-15

1210
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,280
second

1211
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,799
and seconded by council person.

1212
00:59:32,799 --> 00:59:36,799
Is there any discussion on this?

1213
00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:38,799
All in favor of accepting their second

1214
00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:42,160
reading request recommending city

1215
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:45,119
council approve approval on the amended

1216
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:48,559
vacant city state building section of

1217
00:59:48,559 --> 00:59:53,520
the municipal code bill number 26-13

1218
00:59:53,520 --> 01:00:01,589
say I

1219
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:03,839
» I

1220
01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:19,750
There we go.

1221
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:27,430
» Is there any discussion?

1222
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:28,319
» Yes.

1223
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:29,040
>> Kagan,

1224
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:31,040
>> yes.

1225
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:31,599
>> Hover.

1226
01:00:31,599 --> 01:00:32,960
>> Yes. Moingham,

1227
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:33,680
>> yes.

1228
01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:34,240
>> Member,

1229
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:34,960
>> yes.

1230
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:35,760
>> Fredo,

1231
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:36,400
>> yes.

1232
01:00:36,400 --> 01:00:37,280
>> Bradic,

1233
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:37,920
>> yes.

1234
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:38,559
>> Shaw,

1235
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:39,280
>> yes.

1236
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:40,000
>> Sword,

1237
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:40,559
>> yes.

1238
01:00:40,559 --> 01:00:41,280
>> Taylor,

1239
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:41,920
>> yes.

1240
01:00:41,920 --> 01:00:42,720
>> Wilson,

1241
01:00:42,720 --> 01:00:48,870
>> yes. Motion passes.

1242
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:50,960
We have a request recommending city

1243
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:55,920
council approval of the US buildation

1244
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,910
agreement number six

1245
01:00:59,920 --> 01:01:03,750
associates including

1246
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,839
» second by council person. Is there any

1247
01:01:07,839 --> 01:01:14,390
discussion?

1248
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:19,510
» North

1249
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:21,680
very rich. Thank you.

1250
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:25,359
>> Thank you. Any other discussion?

1251
01:01:25,359 --> 01:01:27,680
All in favor request recommending city

1252
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:31,119
council approvement of the US Highway 12

1253
01:01:31,119 --> 01:01:33,599
rail separation supplemental agreement

1254
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:35,599
number six with David Evans and

1255
01:01:35,599 --> 01:01:45,030
Associates Incorporated. Say

1256
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,440
» the request recommending approval of H

1257
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:49,040
Street

1258
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:52,150
Construction.

1259
01:01:52,160 --> 01:01:54,960
Second

1260
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,680
by counc.

1261
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:02,309
Any discussion?

1262
01:02:02,319 --> 01:02:04,400
All in favor of request recommending

1263
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,400
group H Street Sanitary sewer

1264
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:15,829
construction awards say I

1265
01:02:15,839 --> 01:02:17,839
resolutions. Our first one is a request

1266
01:02:17,839 --> 01:02:19,359
recommend

1267
01:02:19,359 --> 01:02:22,640
resolution setting beyond

1268
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:31,430
proposed location

1269
01:02:31,440 --> 01:02:38,710
number 2026 stat

1270
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:40,799
by council person. Is there any

1271
01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:43,910
discussion?

1272
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,720
All request recommending approval of

1273
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,799
resolution setting the date for public

1274
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:51,680
hearings on the proposed vacation of an

1275
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,640
alley driveway within block one of the

1276
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:57,839
flag Hopkins edition of North Aine

1277
01:02:57,839 --> 01:03:01,440
resolution number 2026-29.

1278
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:10,230
Say I

1279
01:03:10,240 --> 01:03:12,319
» a second resolution. It's a request to

1280
01:03:12,319 --> 01:03:15,359
recommend approval of the resolution of

1281
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:17,599
each city and distributed to the street

1282
01:03:17,599 --> 01:03:20,640
closure for spring national events.

1283
01:03:20,640 --> 01:03:26,950
Jesus

1284
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:35,270
» seconded by council person.

1285
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,200
All in favor of request recommending

1286
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:39,440
approval resolution and authorizing the

1287
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:43,200
city administrator to wave street

1288
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:46,400
advance resolution number 2026-30.

1289
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:46,720
Say

1290
01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:50,390
>> I

1291
01:03:50,400 --> 01:03:54,150
pass this.

1292
01:03:54,160 --> 01:04:17,750
Okay. Next item is discussion.

1293
01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:22,309
two weeks ago

1294
01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:25,359
to approve the forest fiber franchise

1295
01:04:25,359 --> 01:04:28,400
agreement and it was voted down um

1296
01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,799
because there was a lack of information.

1297
01:04:30,799 --> 01:04:32,799
uh because it was voted down now it has

1298
01:04:32,799 --> 01:04:35,440
to start over table we would have been

1299
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:38,000
able to stop and restart with the

1300
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:41,039
questions that been answered. So tonight

1301
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:43,280
we have in we just we couldn't bring it

1302
01:04:43,280 --> 01:04:44,559
forward at the last meeting because we

1303
01:04:44,559 --> 01:04:46,799
didn't have anything on the agenda or

1304
01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:48,880
you guys can ask actual questions of the

1305
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,960
people that are the experts in the

1306
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:54,319
field. So tonight we have Lisa Marshall

1307
01:04:54,319 --> 01:04:56,480
from Canyon Descent, which is our our

1308
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,720
attorney, uh, who wrote the franchise

1309
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:01,280
agreement, and Liz Walker from Wireless

1310
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,200
Policy Group, which is the

1311
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,559
representative from Forge Fiber online

1312
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:08,640
to answer any questions that you might

1313
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:10,559
have. I know one thing that that

1314
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:13,039
Councilman Shaw had was he was

1315
01:05:13,039 --> 01:05:15,119
questioning uh the list of the

1316
01:05:15,119 --> 01:05:16,559
infrastructure and I know that they're

1317
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:17,760
working on that. They told me that

1318
01:05:17,760 --> 01:05:19,440
they're working on that. Part of the

1319
01:05:19,440 --> 01:05:22,000
problem is is they not everything has

1320
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:23,839
been transferred yet. They don't even I

1321
01:05:23,839 --> 01:05:25,680
don't think they even know exactly what

1322
01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:27,280
they have at this point. They're but

1323
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,000
they're in that process. So, um anyway,

1324
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:32,400
u Liz and Lisa are available for any

1325
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,799
questions you might have and and please

1326
01:05:34,799 --> 01:05:37,200
take advantage of because they are the

1327
01:05:37,200 --> 01:05:39,200
experts on this and and I am not I did

1328
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:40,960
not write the fringes agreement. We had

1329
01:05:40,960 --> 01:05:42,720
our our attorney write the fringes

1330
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:45,599
agreement. So, anyway, thank you.

1331
01:05:45,599 --> 01:05:48,559
>> Anybody have any questions? We also have

1332
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:51,839
um I don't know if Tiffany Perez is she

1333
01:05:51,839 --> 01:05:59,190
also a representative.

1334
01:05:59,200 --> 01:06:06,000
» Hi I wanted to talk about church. Um

1335
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:07,839
second we'll come to the second public

1336
01:06:07,839 --> 01:06:10,160
comment period. Okay.

1337
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:11,440
>> Okay.

1338
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:13,760
>> Thank you.

1339
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:20,710
and I want to spend the rest of my life.

1340
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,680
» Well, I Rick mentioned it and uh as I

1341
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:25,119
brought up last time when we looked at

1342
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:28,319
it, there were questions uh that came up

1343
01:06:28,319 --> 01:06:31,760
about what the inventory um was, what

1344
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:34,079
they had, what they didn't have. And I

1345
01:06:34,079 --> 01:06:38,000
think my push was that whatever they say

1346
01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:41,359
they have included in ask them and I

1347
01:06:41,359 --> 01:06:43,039
understand from that they're working on

1348
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:45,520
creating that be included in the

1349
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,760
contract in the back contract of the

1350
01:06:47,760 --> 01:06:52,400
franchise or if if there is not any then

1351
01:06:52,400 --> 01:06:55,039
that's stated that there isn't any uh

1352
01:06:55,039 --> 01:06:57,359
what I hear is that they're trying to

1353
01:06:57,359 --> 01:07:00,720
find out what they have and that was the

1354
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,760
push that was the caution from my

1355
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:06,160
discussions with the IT people at the

1356
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:10,400
PUB was that quite often we have a gray

1357
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:13,359
area or lack of understanding of what

1358
01:07:13,359 --> 01:07:15,839
exactly is included with franchise

1359
01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:18,400
agreement and it leads to significant

1360
01:07:18,400 --> 01:07:20,640
problems down the road in time and

1361
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:23,280
money. So as we go forward sounds like

1362
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:24,799
they are working on creating an

1363
01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:28,480
inventory what was passed down and if

1364
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,799
that all comes together I have no

1365
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:40,150
difficult

1366
01:07:40,160 --> 01:07:42,640
during this discussion um per Robert's

1367
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:45,039
rules of order this would need to come

1368
01:07:45,039 --> 01:07:48,720
back by someone who voted no um when

1369
01:07:48,720 --> 01:07:50,720
this was originally brought forward. So

1370
01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:53,280
once we have these answers to these

1371
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:55,839
questions, just please bear that in

1372
01:07:55,839 --> 01:07:57,839
mind. This cannot be brought back to the

1373
01:07:57,839 --> 01:07:59,920
table for the council to vote on unless

1374
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:01,920
someone who voted no is going to bring

1375
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:06,870
it back to the table. side.

1376
01:08:06,880 --> 01:08:10,240
Um, so this conversation with the PUBG

1377
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:12,079
that

1378
01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:15,190
um

1379
01:08:15,200 --> 01:08:19,440
I I just um a little so the PUB advised

1380
01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:22,319
and like gave you advice to

1381
01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:25,120
>> I took I I read it I read it in depth. I

1382
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:27,440
asked a few people and I found that the

1383
01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:29,759
people that were expertise on this issue

1384
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:32,239
or had some expertise that we deal with

1385
01:08:32,239 --> 01:08:34,319
are our friends with the community and I

1386
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:36,640
sat down and talked to them about things

1387
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:38,400
that we should look at when they look at

1388
01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,440
this topic and it stuck out to me the

1389
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:44,159
fact that this could you couldn't tell

1390
01:08:44,159 --> 01:08:46,400
from reading this agreement initially

1391
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:48,480
whether it was a new agreement or

1392
01:08:48,480 --> 01:08:50,799
whether it was a series of transfers.

1393
01:08:50,799 --> 01:08:52,560
That was that was not clear in reading

1394
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,719
the agreement. And then in asking that

1395
01:08:54,719 --> 01:08:58,000
question back to our city attorney, it

1396
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,799
was stated that oh no, there are no

1397
01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:03,520
transfers. This is a they asked for an

1398
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,960
entirely new thing. So just trying to

1399
01:09:06,960 --> 01:09:10,000
avoid the issue of

1400
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:13,600
what are ghost polls, what are un

1401
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,120
undocumented closets, who

1402
01:09:17,120 --> 01:09:19,359
what assets might go with this

1403
01:09:19,359 --> 01:09:21,920
franchise. Now, as I understand how

1404
01:09:21,920 --> 01:09:23,759
franchise agreements work, and I'm not

1405
01:09:23,759 --> 01:09:25,600
an expert, but I know how to ask the

1406
01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:28,319
question, um

1407
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:30,560
are if there's no asset or no transfer

1408
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:34,000
from these previous u agreements that go

1409
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,759
back through

1410
01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:38,400
um these other companies, it's really

1411
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:41,440
easy to state that in the contract and

1412
01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:43,120
the franchise agreement that this

1413
01:09:43,120 --> 01:09:46,000
reflects no past or existing. And if

1414
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:50,000
there are past or existing assets, those

1415
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:51,679
are in the contract so that they

1416
01:09:51,679 --> 01:09:53,600
reflected what we're giving franchise

1417
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,760
for.

1418
01:09:55,760 --> 01:09:58,080
Hope I'm not making it complicated, but

1419
01:09:58,080 --> 01:09:59,920
it was just it's it's a form. It's a

1420
01:09:59,920 --> 01:10:04,149
question of contract.

1421
01:10:04,159 --> 01:10:06,800
» So go back. Yeah, I was really hoping

1422
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,239
that you would bring up what you were

1423
01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:10,640
mentioning during public works about the

1424
01:10:10,640 --> 01:10:13,040
how sometimes to solve this they do

1425
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:16,000
what's called location the lo the

1426
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,239
locating process we just basically it

1427
01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:20,000
was on basis of the franchise to go out

1428
01:10:20,000 --> 01:10:21,840
and try to find

1429
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:25,440
>> yeah honestly the people we should be

1430
01:10:25,440 --> 01:10:26,880
talking to are the ones that are

1431
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:29,760
spending their online

1432
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:34,080
but yes the uh the lucky process will

1433
01:10:34,080 --> 01:10:38,159
identify where They you know they all

1434
01:10:38,159 --> 01:10:40,960
participate and pay in the service when

1435
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,040
we go out the right way and we want to

1436
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:44,960
know what's on the ground. We don't call

1437
01:10:44,960 --> 01:10:47,440
the PD call locate service and they come

1438
01:10:47,440 --> 01:10:50,159
out and they locate all the utilities in

1439
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:52,800
the ground. They they know where they

1440
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,800
know where things are better than than

1441
01:10:54,800 --> 01:10:58,000
or knows where they are. Right. So um

1442
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:01,120
that's how we locate uh and and it's the

1443
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:04,320
responsibility of whoever calls that

1444
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,560
locate that's doing that work to ensure

1445
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:10,480
that we know where the utilities are. Um

1446
01:11:10,480 --> 01:11:13,280
I I don't I'm not even sure we are

1447
01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:17,440
really clear on what drivers buy. So

1448
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:19,760
there's there's like um you know they're

1449
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,120
not buying all of assets or they're

1450
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:26,159
buying the end user. they're not buying

1451
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:29,120
the main buy agreement and I I really

1452
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:32,320
encourage either Lisa Wolf to give us

1453
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,159
some background of the the franchise

1454
01:11:34,159 --> 01:11:36,960
agreement or Liz to give us some

1455
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:38,960
background on

1456
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:40,719
this is not new. They they've gone

1457
01:11:40,719 --> 01:11:42,400
through this process all over the state

1458
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:44,320
of Washington. He has written a number

1459
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:46,960
of franchise agreements for other cities

1460
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:48,960
in the state of Washington as they were

1461
01:11:48,960 --> 01:11:51,120
Cambridge just said which represents a

1462
01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:53,679
lot of different cities. So this is not

1463
01:11:53,679 --> 01:11:56,880
a new agreement. this is the same order

1464
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:58,880
type of agreement that's been given to

1465
01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:03,040
us. So, um I'm sure that they can answer

1466
01:12:03,040 --> 01:12:06,880
these questions really clearly and uh

1467
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,360
more

1468
01:12:09,360 --> 01:12:12,400
so my question for her would be is this

1469
01:12:12,400 --> 01:12:13,920
something that's usually documented in

1470
01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:15,760
these transfers? We usually have full

1471
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:17,280
inventory list or is this something

1472
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:21,120
that's just kind of undocumented?

1473
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,520
Is is it is this unusual that we're

1474
01:12:23,520 --> 01:12:25,679
asking for this type of information just

1475
01:12:25,679 --> 01:12:27,760
a lot more information than we're are we

1476
01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,159
asking for

1477
01:12:30,159 --> 01:12:32,960
>> can I respond to that Liz?

1478
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:35,040
Yeah, and I'm happy to I just want to

1479
01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:36,800
give her a chance to speak

1480
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,440
>> again. I'm Lisa, sorry. I'm Lisa

1481
01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:41,840
Marshall. I'm Alex Kenyon's partner um

1482
01:12:41,840 --> 01:12:43,600
Kenyon Decent and I do a lot of

1483
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,600
franchise agreements. What I would like

1484
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,679
to do is just give you the guard rails,

1485
01:12:47,679 --> 01:12:49,520
what we can ask for, what we can't ask

1486
01:12:49,520 --> 01:12:51,440
for, and then I'm going to turn it over

1487
01:12:51,440 --> 01:12:55,199
to Liz to um answer technical questions

1488
01:12:55,199 --> 01:12:57,760
about the infrastructure itself. Um,

1489
01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,120
oftentimes when franchises expire, there

1490
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,280
isn't a real solid understanding of

1491
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:05,440
where that infrastructure is. That

1492
01:13:05,440 --> 01:13:08,320
infrastructure location comes becomes

1493
01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,080
critical when construction is going to

1494
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,960
proceed. So that's when 61 locate is

1495
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:14,480
called. That's where we figure out where

1496
01:13:14,480 --> 01:13:16,880
the um where the infrastructure is so we

1497
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:19,600
don't hit it. But it is not normal to

1498
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,920
know exactly where everything is when

1499
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,320
the franchise is drafted or when it's

1500
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,360
executed. We define a franchise area. We

1501
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:29,360
define the right ofway. And within those

1502
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,440
definitions, we do not engineer the

1503
01:13:31,440 --> 01:13:33,840
location of the infrastructure. That

1504
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,760
said, in all fairness to council member

1505
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:38,480
Shaw, I do think it's um a legitimate

1506
01:13:38,480 --> 01:13:40,800
question to ask the carrier whether or

1507
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:42,960
not there is infrastructure on the in

1508
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,679
the ground or not. And if there is no

1509
01:13:45,679 --> 01:13:47,120
infrastructure on the ground, what the

1510
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:53,440
plan might be. Um, I'll also add that locate um question does come up

1511
01:13:53,440 --> 01:13:55,440
from councils from time to time and this

1512
01:13:55,440 --> 01:13:58,159
is typically the way we answer it and we

1513
01:13:58,159 --> 01:13:59,840
also explain that when construction

1514
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:03,040
comes um you know when it is imminent

1515
01:14:03,040 --> 01:14:04,800
then we do get all the information we

1516
01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,320
need. So I'm going to turn it over to

1517
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:09,600
Liz at this point.

1518
01:14:09,600 --> 01:14:12,080
>> Okay. Good evening mayor, members of the

1519
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:14,960
city council. My name is Liz Walker. My

1520
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,840
address is 7436 South Ivy Way in

1521
01:14:17,840 --> 01:14:20,239
Centennial, Colorado. And I'm here

1522
01:14:20,239 --> 01:14:22,960
tonight on behalf of Forged Fiber. Um,

1523
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,840
and I'll just give you an the very brief

1524
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,159
version. Um, and I apologize if I'm

1525
01:14:28,159 --> 01:14:30,400
repeating anything, but Forge Fiber is a

1526
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:33,600
subsidiary or an entity created by AT&T

1527
01:14:33,600 --> 01:14:35,920
to hold assets that they are purchasing

1528
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:39,040
from Lumen. Um, and council member Shaw,

1529
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:42,000
your question um is a good question

1530
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,719
asking about um the the maps and the

1531
01:14:44,719 --> 01:14:46,480
locations of those assets that are being

1532
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:49,360
purch purchased. And I have requested

1533
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:52,159
that information and I've been told that

1534
01:14:52,159 --> 01:14:53,840
they're just trying to make sure

1535
01:14:53,840 --> 01:14:55,520
whatever I give over to you is as

1536
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:57,120
accurate as possible. And so

1537
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:58,719
unfortunately it's taking a little bit

1538
01:14:58,719 --> 01:15:02,320
longer and I apologize. some um for some

1539
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:04,080
jurisdictions they've asked for maps and

1540
01:15:04,080 --> 01:15:06,080
I've gotten them right away and been

1541
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:09,040
able to provide them and um I asked

1542
01:15:09,040 --> 01:15:12,800
again today right before the meeting and it's just they're they're just

1543
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,239
trying to make sure that they that what

1544
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:16,080
I give you is accurate in terms of the

1545
01:15:16,080 --> 01:15:18,159
location of the fiber that they are

1546
01:15:18,159 --> 01:15:21,199
purchasing. Um just to expand a little

1547
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:24,320
bit um on on what they're purchasing

1548
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:26,159
what Forge Fiber is purchasing from

1549
01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:31,040
Lumen um from uh it's technically Lum um

1550
01:15:31,040 --> 01:15:33,920
Lumen AT&T or Forge Fiber is purchasing

1551
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:36,880
the F2 fiber which starts at the

1552
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:38,880
neighborhood cross connect and ends at

1553
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:41,760
the customer premises. So they're taking

1554
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:44,640
a part of it and then Lumen is keeping

1555
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:48,239
the part um called the F1 fiber which

1556
01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:50,320
starts at their central office and goes

1557
01:15:50,320 --> 01:15:52,880
to that first cross connect panel. So

1558
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:54,400
one of the questions that I was asked

1559
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:56,320
which was a really a question we've had

1560
01:15:56,320 --> 01:15:58,880
before is you know why is it just an

1561
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,679
assignment of of a franchise or or why

1562
01:16:01,679 --> 01:16:03,760
does Forge Fiber need their own and they

1563
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:05,280
need their own for that reason because

1564
01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:06,640
they're not buying the whole thing

1565
01:16:06,640 --> 01:16:08,800
outright. they're they're buying certain

1566
01:16:08,800 --> 01:16:12,880
a certain portion of the assets. Um so

1567
01:16:12,880 --> 01:16:15,760
and again just a I apologize for not

1568
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:19,120
having uh the map. Um like I said, it's

1569
01:16:19,120 --> 01:16:20,560
something that we've provided to other

1570
01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:23,600
jurisdictions when asked and what I was

1571
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:25,840
told today is that they're still um

1572
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:27,679
reviewing the information to make the

1573
01:16:27,679 --> 01:16:30,239
determination um and just you know vet

1574
01:16:30,239 --> 01:16:31,760
the information I'm giving you so that

1575
01:16:31,760 --> 01:16:33,360
we can have accurate information

1576
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:36,640
provided. But as soon as I have that um

1577
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:41,040
I will have that over to um uh Rick uh

1578
01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:43,920
Sanger and um I'll send it to Lisa too

1579
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:45,520
so that you guys will have that

1580
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:47,840
information as soon as I get it and I'm

1581
01:16:47,840 --> 01:16:51,840
happy to answer any other questions.

1582
01:16:51,840 --> 01:16:53,440
>> This is John. Thank you very much.

1583
01:16:53,440 --> 01:16:57,350
That's very helpful.

1584
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:02,229
» Any other questions?

1585
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:03,679
» Thank Thank you very much. We appreciate

1586
01:17:03,679 --> 01:17:07,440
your time. Thanks for staying up.

1587
01:17:07,440 --> 01:17:10,159
>> No problem.

1588
01:17:10,159 --> 01:17:14,550
>> Happy to.

1589
01:17:14,560 --> 01:17:16,239
» We're still discussing this.

1590
01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:17,840
>> Oh, you want to discuss it?

1591
01:17:17,840 --> 01:17:19,360
>> Yeah.

1592
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,560
>> With with John after

1593
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,640
that we're getting the map.

1594
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,239
Would you be willing to entertain

1595
01:17:26,239 --> 01:17:28,080
bringing it back in?

1596
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:31,360
>> Oh, I I'm going to have to listen to

1597
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:34,480
what the proper form is. I I'm assuming

1598
01:17:34,480 --> 01:17:36,960
that they're going to update contracts

1599
01:17:36,960 --> 01:17:38,400
and include the maps.

1600
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:38,800
>> Yeah.

1601
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:41,920
>> And as appendices to the contract that

1602
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:44,560
come in that answers the question, we

1603
01:17:44,560 --> 01:17:46,880
know what we know where we're starting

1604
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:52,719
from and we find I I'm in no way against

1605
01:17:52,719 --> 01:17:56,159
moving forward. This is just about I

1606
01:17:56,159 --> 01:17:58,880
think an obvious and I think you can

1607
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:04,080
hear that it's not a comment they have

1608
01:18:04,080 --> 01:18:08,080
since you don't have to vote down

1609
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:12,000
>> because that I'm happy to do well

1610
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:13,040
>> we have but we need

1611
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:15,360
>> a legislative break to get their

1612
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:17,440
documents in line and then I can help

1613
01:18:17,440 --> 01:18:19,360
John with the proper motion for bringing

1614
01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:21,760
it back in at the end of August. I'm

1615
01:18:21,760 --> 01:18:23,120
just looking at from a business

1616
01:18:23,120 --> 01:18:25,280
standpoint. I'm assuming that what I'm

1617
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:28,560
hearing is Liz at all is going to come

1618
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,280
up with details that go to Rick and

1619
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:34,239
Arley Center and be included in an

1620
01:18:34,239 --> 01:18:37,040
update of the franchise agreement that

1621
01:18:37,040 --> 01:18:39,360
then we're all going to be having to

1622
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,280
>> Yeah.

1623
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:42,719
>> The point I'm coming from is that from

1624
01:18:42,719 --> 01:18:43,920
what I understand that you're not

1625
01:18:43,920 --> 01:18:45,840
worried about what the information is

1626
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:47,280
going to happen and you're just worried

1627
01:18:47,280 --> 01:18:48,719
more about that the information just

1628
01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:51,280
appears to be. I think in listening to

1629
01:18:51,280 --> 01:18:54,000
some other people having uh having a

1630
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:57,760
bakery and uh and the absolute

1631
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:00,400
uncertainty of what the assets are, what

1632
01:19:00,400 --> 01:19:02,560
they're getting, what's on the ground,

1633
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,719
especially right now as I'm we're

1634
01:19:04,719 --> 01:19:06,960
having, you know, we have multiple fiber

1635
01:19:06,960 --> 01:19:08,800
optic links coming through town. We have

1636
01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:11,040
a lot of stuff like this that's going to

1637
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:13,040
be happening and we really know where

1638
01:19:13,040 --> 01:19:15,920
everybody lives. So, not that not that I

1639
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:17,600
kind of wanted to undermine it at all,

1640
01:19:17,600 --> 01:19:21,280
but I asked I asked them do they see

1641
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,520
issues and they're very positive. They

1642
01:19:23,520 --> 01:19:25,280
absolutely you got you know we need to

1643
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:28,800
do this and support it. But it was about

1644
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,760
when we see problems, it's because

1645
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,320
somebody forgot to include somebody.

1646
01:19:34,320 --> 01:19:36,880
didn't know something and it

1647
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:40,800
takes months and months to sort out uh

1648
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,640
something that could have easily been in

1649
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:45,360
the contract at the beginning.

1650
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:47,920
uh who who belonged to what especially

1651
01:19:47,920 --> 01:19:50,640
when I was listening to the full version

1652
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:52,159
of

1653
01:19:52,159 --> 01:19:54,880
them going from Lumen to another company

1654
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:58,000
to begin with AT&T and now I understand

1655
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,719
they want to take some of those assets

1656
01:20:00,719 --> 01:20:03,520
into forging vibrant so I really want to

1657
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:04,640
make sure you understand I'm not

1658
01:20:04,640 --> 01:20:07,120
negative about it I just see it as you

1659
01:20:07,120 --> 01:20:09,760
need to have the inventory or or not or

1660
01:20:09,760 --> 01:20:13,280
an understanding that there is stuff I

1661
01:20:13,280 --> 01:20:16,400
do am I answering Yeah. Yeah.

1662
01:20:16,400 --> 01:20:21,189
>> And I'll do whatever we need to do.

1663
01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:24,400
» Everybody else before legislative break,

1664
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:28,239
but if it's not necessary

1665
01:20:28,239 --> 01:20:30,159
>> and I doubt that they got a clock going

1666
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:32,880
on on this course is going to worry

1667
01:20:32,880 --> 01:20:35,520
about whether we're done by August.

1668
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,840
>> I just think we'd be doing a better time

1669
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:41,760
when are diligence. So we had the

1670
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:43,520
updated contract on there. It has the

1671
01:20:43,520 --> 01:20:45,360
map with the list of everything or

1672
01:20:45,360 --> 01:20:47,600
something that says we don't have a list

1673
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,080
and here's why.

1674
01:20:50,080 --> 01:20:52,400
>> It just like not having again not trying

1675
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,080
to persuade it at all but like not

1676
01:20:54,080 --> 01:20:56,800
having the franchise agreement just kind

1677
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,880
of limits what they can do right away.

1678
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:01,520
So um I don't think that will create a

1679
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:02,960
problem. It sounds like we could wait

1680
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,120
until after the legislative break. Is

1681
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:08,480
that so? Um I'm not hearing any urgency

1682
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:10,480
item. This would take three readings,

1683
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:11,440
right?

1684
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:12,080
>> I'm sorry.

1685
01:21:12,080 --> 01:21:13,840
>> This approval of the agreement would

1686
01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:16,159
take three readings. Is that right? An

1687
01:21:16,159 --> 01:21:17,520
ordinance, not a resolution.

1688
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:18,000
>> Mhm.

1689
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,120
>> So, we even if we did the first, it's

1690
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:22,480
just it's just an agreement. It's just

1691
01:21:22,480 --> 01:21:33,750
one rating.

1692
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,520
» Special committee items. Council

1693
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:37,199
president.

1694
01:21:37,199 --> 01:21:39,120
I'd like to make a motion to approve the

1695
01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:42,239
first reading of bill 26-14 allowing the

1696
01:21:42,239 --> 01:21:43,840
creation of a youth council.

1697
01:21:43,840 --> 01:21:48,870
>> Seconded

1698
01:21:48,880 --> 01:22:02,070
by council person discussion

1699
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:04,159
is there any discussion? I just want to

1700
01:22:04,159 --> 01:22:05,679
say I'm looking forward to this and I

1701
01:22:05,679 --> 01:22:09,600
hope that we get applications to really

1702
01:22:09,600 --> 01:22:11,840
build this out and let it be the success

1703
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:17,590
story.

1704
01:22:17,600 --> 01:22:18,320
» Yes.

1705
01:22:18,320 --> 01:22:20,560
>> I actually was just I I know that Justin

1706
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:22,800
had some interactions with youth about

1707
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:24,960
this already and I wanted him to share

1708
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,120
with us what he told me earlier.

1709
01:22:27,120 --> 01:22:31,440
>> Yeah. So, uh, for this council, it

1710
01:22:31,440 --> 01:22:33,600
there'll be like five members and two

1711
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,639
alternates. Um, and it'll be ages, I

1712
01:22:36,639 --> 01:22:38,000
believe, 14 to 20.

1713
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:38,400
>> Yes.

1714
01:22:38,400 --> 01:22:41,360
Uh, which opens the door to so many

1715
01:22:41,360 --> 01:22:44,239
more people honestly. And I've talked to

1716
01:22:44,239 --> 01:22:46,480
a few of my friends and about three of

1717
01:22:46,480 --> 01:22:48,480
them have interest in joining this

1718
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:51,840
council. Um, so we'll see if they

1719
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:53,440
actually do once we get it all moved

1720
01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:56,719
along. But I think this will really

1721
01:22:56,719 --> 01:22:59,360
allow the youth to have more of a voice.

1722
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,679
Um, I know I'm limited and Aiden is

1723
01:23:01,679 --> 01:23:03,520
limited, but when there's five kids

1724
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:10,310
altogether, stuff can really happen.

1725
01:23:10,320 --> 01:23:10,719
» Okay.

1726
01:23:10,719 --> 01:23:14,000
>> Um, does that include um eighth graders?

1727
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:18,550
>> Yes.

1728
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:24,229
Any more discussion? Yeah.

1729
01:23:24,239 --> 01:23:26,719
Um so

1730
01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:30,239
like on the council the youth council um

1731
01:23:30,239 --> 01:23:32,080
there will be a chair and a vice chair.

1732
01:23:32,080 --> 01:23:35,040
The chair will be the main student rep

1733
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:36,560
and then the vice chair will be the

1734
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:38,159
alternate student rep.

1735
01:23:38,159 --> 01:23:44,629
>> Yeah. So you won't be chair.

1736
01:23:44,639 --> 01:23:47,920
» All right. See no more discussion. All

1737
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:50,880
in favor of the first reading request

1738
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:53,600
foundation recommending the city council

1739
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:59,750
approve the use

1740
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:03,760
to approve the use council bill number

1741
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:05,360
26-4

1742
01:24:05,360 --> 01:24:07,600
say I

1743
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:09,360
>> oppose.

1744
01:24:09,360 --> 01:24:11,760
Thank you.

1745
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:13,520
Next, we have a request recommending the

1746
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:16,320
city council approved for the mayor to

1747
01:24:16,320 --> 01:24:18,719
appoint two individuals to the library

1748
01:24:18,719 --> 01:24:30,950
board. Accept this request.

1749
01:24:30,960 --> 01:24:35,590
» Is there any discussion?

1750
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,280
» Typically, when you have appointments on

1751
01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,159
the agenda, their names are listed. I

1752
01:24:40,159 --> 01:24:41,520
understand that it's in the pocket, but

1753
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:43,600
you know, I'm off the top of your notes

1754
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:54,470
on the two meeting.

1755
01:24:54,480 --> 01:25:17,669
» It's uh Beverly Wilkinson and Kaitlyn.

1756
01:25:17,679 --> 01:25:26,390
Hi.

1757
01:25:26,400 --> 01:25:30,400
A motion to approve resolution 2026-28

1758
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:32,639
submitting a proposed trial for the

1759
01:25:32,639 --> 01:25:34,400
qualified voters of the city for their

1760
01:25:34,400 --> 01:25:36,960
approval or rejection. Approval or

1761
01:25:36,960 --> 01:25:40,229
rejection

1762
01:25:40,239 --> 01:25:50,470
» second.

1763
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:53,120
All right. Um, so the decision for you

1764
01:25:53,120 --> 01:25:54,800
tonight is likely one of the most

1765
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:57,040
significant votes that you'll make as

1766
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:59,120
members on the council. The yes vote

1767
01:25:59,120 --> 01:26:01,520
does not mean does not decide the future

1768
01:26:01,520 --> 01:26:03,360
of the council. It simply gives the

1769
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,280
people to you represent the opportunity

1770
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:07,760
to decide themselves. This is about

1771
01:26:07,760 --> 01:26:09,440
allowing the residents of Aberine to

1772
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:11,920
have a voice. As elected officials, your

1773
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,000
role is to represent the community and

1774
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:16,560
ensure their voice is heard. Voting yes

1775
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,120
allows that process to happen. If this

1776
01:26:19,120 --> 01:26:21,440
measure does not move forward and you

1777
01:26:21,440 --> 01:26:23,600
personally oppose it, I encourage you to

1778
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,760
make your case to the public and explain

1779
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:27,920
why you believe they should vote no.

1780
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:31,199
That's how democracy works. Let let the

1781
01:26:31,199 --> 01:26:32,719
voters hear both sides and make their

1782
01:26:32,719 --> 01:26:34,639
final decision.

1783
01:26:34,639 --> 01:26:37,199
Yeah.

1784
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:40,320
>> Any other discussion?

1785
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,600
Um well I just feel like it was kind of

1786
01:26:43,600 --> 01:26:45,679
something that I would like to discuss

1787
01:26:45,679 --> 01:26:48,320
as a council of which we really haven't

1788
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:51,120
done before um you know giving it to the

1789
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,040
city to vote on it. I'm a little

1790
01:26:53,040 --> 01:26:56,560
concerned about group think as of as

1791
01:26:56,560 --> 01:26:59,440
opposed to u disagreement within the

1792
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:01,520
council. I think, you know, more heads

1793
01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,239
prevail sometimes with putting in some

1794
01:27:04,239 --> 01:27:06,639
other ideas and, you know, representing,

1795
01:27:06,639 --> 01:27:08,239
you know, the different factions within

1796
01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:10,639
the city. Um, we can let the city vote

1797
01:27:10,639 --> 01:27:14,719
on it, but sometimes their vote is un

1798
01:27:14,719 --> 01:27:16,480
educated. You know, they don't really

1799
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:18,239
know for sure. They just think it's a,

1800
01:27:18,239 --> 01:27:20,960
you know, a good idea to limit it. But I

1801
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,040
see some cities that have, you know,

1802
01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:26,000
moved into this um particular kind of

1803
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:28,960
sixperson vote and they get into group

1804
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:31,440
think and the city kind of just goes one

1805
01:27:31,440 --> 01:27:33,120
direction.

1806
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,840
Um so I would like to discuss it as the

1807
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:38,400
council and put our, you know, our um

1808
01:27:38,400 --> 01:27:42,639
ideas out there for, you know, for me um

1809
01:27:42,639 --> 01:27:44,000
you know, I've enjoyed my time on

1810
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:45,840
council. I don't really intend to run

1811
01:27:45,840 --> 01:27:48,800
again, but I like the fact that, you

1812
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:50,480
know, there's a lot of people that are

1813
01:27:50,480 --> 01:27:52,400
not a lot of people, but more people to

1814
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:54,719
kind of put their opinions in and to

1815
01:27:54,719 --> 01:27:57,040
share, you know, thoughts and concerns.

1816
01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:59,440
I think we've saved the city some money,

1817
01:27:59,440 --> 01:28:02,080
um, from making some, you know, mistakes

1818
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:04,719
maybe that we could have made. But, um,

1819
01:28:04,719 --> 01:28:07,840
anyway, that's my thought on it.

1820
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:11,669
>> Person

1821
01:28:11,679 --> 01:28:12,239
shop.

1822
01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:15,360
>> Yeah. Um, I'd like to speak on this. Um,

1823
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:18,480
as someone who has been here 38 years,

1824
01:28:18,480 --> 01:28:20,719
and for all 38 years, there's been a

1825
01:28:20,719 --> 01:28:23,280
discussion in Aberdine and Oakland about

1826
01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:25,920
reducing council size for efficiencies

1827
01:28:25,920 --> 01:28:28,560
and different reasons. And I'm I'm told

1828
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:31,600
by some historically minded friends,

1829
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:33,840
better suited than I, that it goes back

1830
01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:36,320
50 to 60 years. We there have been

1831
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:39,360
various discussions of reduction. This

1832
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:41,600
isn't to me anything about the current

1833
01:28:41,600 --> 01:28:43,840
council. This is a this is a topic

1834
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,000
that's been going on for quite a while

1835
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,080
during the election campaign and in

1836
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:49,520
recent years has been discussed

1837
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:52,159
regularly and I think it really comes

1838
01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:56,719
down to letting this go to the voters.

1839
01:28:56,719 --> 01:28:59,120
We have developed a habit here at the

1840
01:28:59,120 --> 01:29:06,320
city to uh create um new polls to create

1841
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:08,400
basically we're going to the public all

1842
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,120
the time asking for their opinion on

1843
01:29:11,120 --> 01:29:12,719
everything from what our budget should

1844
01:29:12,719 --> 01:29:15,280
look like to how to what we should be

1845
01:29:15,280 --> 01:29:18,800
prioritizing at the city. And I think um

1846
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:21,600
I think it is in good form and walking

1847
01:29:21,600 --> 01:29:25,040
the walk to ask the citizens of this

1848
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:26,560
question that's been out there for a

1849
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:29,120
long long time. And I think it is a

1850
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:33,920
mistake to not allow it to go for

1851
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:38,400
citizens vote. And again I I came into

1852
01:29:38,400 --> 01:29:40,320
this I'm new on the council. I've

1853
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:43,679
watched this exhibition for a long time.

1854
01:29:43,679 --> 01:29:46,159
And this is just about giving Aberdine a

1855
01:29:46,159 --> 01:29:49,840
chance and the voters to have a say. We

1856
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,400
ask them all the time. We got QR codes

1857
01:29:52,400 --> 01:29:55,120
on the wall when we're asking people how

1858
01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:58,000
we should do things. We can't be afraid

1859
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:00,800
to let this go to

1860
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,440
>> Thank you.

1861
01:30:03,440 --> 01:30:06,000
Uh, I just want to second what council

1862
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:08,800
member Shaw was saying and while I was

1863
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:10,880
campaigning and also just talking to

1864
01:30:10,880 --> 01:30:14,400
people, this has been a topic that comes

1865
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:16,159
up almost every time I'm talking to

1866
01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:18,880
somebody. Um, the the voters in our city

1867
01:30:18,880 --> 01:30:22,320
care about this topic a lot. And for me,

1868
01:30:22,320 --> 01:30:24,080
it just comes down to letting people

1869
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:27,600
decide how they want to be represented.

1870
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,440
And I just can't see any reason why we

1871
01:30:29,440 --> 01:30:31,360
wouldn't let people decide the number of

1872
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:33,760
people they want represented them.

1873
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:41,350
>> Thank you.

1874
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:44,159
» Um I have prepared a pretty long

1875
01:30:44,159 --> 01:30:45,600
statement but I'm going to try my best

1876
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:48,159
to summarize it as most of what I had

1877
01:30:48,159 --> 01:30:51,440
planned to say has already been shared.

1878
01:30:51,440 --> 01:30:53,760
Um but just a couple key elements I want

1879
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:55,440
to make sure that we are pointing out

1880
01:30:55,440 --> 01:30:57,840
there. Um, this isn't changing the board

1881
01:30:57,840 --> 01:31:00,159
boundaries. This specific proposal

1882
01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:02,960
doesn't shorten anyone's term.

1883
01:31:02,960 --> 01:31:05,840
Most importantly, we are not voting to

1884
01:31:05,840 --> 01:31:08,320
reduce it. We're voting to allow the

1885
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:11,280
voters to have that decision. Um, I

1886
01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:14,159
think, you know, as a council member,

1887
01:31:14,159 --> 01:31:16,159
you don't have to personally support the

1888
01:31:16,159 --> 01:31:20,560
reduction of council um

1889
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:22,560
to allow someone else to allow the voter

1890
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:25,360
to vote. Those are two very different

1891
01:31:25,360 --> 01:31:28,320
decisions.

1892
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:29,840
I understand there's some legitimate

1893
01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:32,239
arguments for keeping 12. So they

1894
01:31:32,239 --> 01:31:34,000
believe that, you know, two forward

1895
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:36,159
provides you with some greater access or

1896
01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:38,159
perspectives of the dis. And I I do

1897
01:31:38,159 --> 01:31:40,400
respect that position.

1898
01:31:40,400 --> 01:31:42,800
This choice about representation should

1899
01:31:42,800 --> 01:31:45,360
belong to the voters. Those who voted

1900
01:31:45,360 --> 01:31:48,639
for us and elected us to represent them,

1901
01:31:48,639 --> 01:31:51,679
not those of us sitting up here. That's

1902
01:31:51,679 --> 01:31:53,280
why this has been brought forward. This

1903
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:55,120
is why I've pushed so hard for it since

1904
01:31:55,120 --> 01:31:57,760
I've been on council and that's why I

1905
01:31:57,760 --> 01:32:00,239
will be voting yes and

1906
01:32:00,239 --> 01:32:02,239
pass this through.

1907
01:32:02,239 --> 01:32:13,270
>> Thank you. Any other discussion?

1908
01:32:13,280 --> 01:32:16,719
like this new idea of it being devoted

1909
01:32:16,719 --> 01:32:18,800
to people,

1910
01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,280
but I think the timing is at a very

1911
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:23,040
stressful point and allows a lot of us

1912
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:25,600
work really hard to get here. And at the

1913
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:27,840
end of my four-year term, I would like

1914
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:31,360
to rewrite to keep those same ideas and

1915
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,120
programs and process that I've been

1916
01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:35,440
doing now for since 2018 is when I

1917
01:32:35,440 --> 01:32:37,440
started.

1918
01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:39,760
And for me, just to hand over everything

1919
01:32:39,760 --> 01:32:42,639
I've worked for and everything that I am

1920
01:32:42,639 --> 01:32:45,120
pushing for is to I still need to go

1921
01:32:45,120 --> 01:32:47,120
bathroom. That was our first

1922
01:32:47,120 --> 01:32:50,629
conversation.

1923
01:32:50,639 --> 01:32:52,320
» That's something we can all agree on. So

1924
01:32:52,320 --> 01:32:55,199
I mean

1925
01:32:55,199 --> 01:32:57,920
I see it's very there's a divide right

1926
01:32:57,920 --> 01:33:00,880
now. If we were a vote right now, it

1927
01:33:00,880 --> 01:33:03,440
would leave it to where

1928
01:33:03,440 --> 01:33:06,880
six people be represented by one. Six

1929
01:33:06,880 --> 01:33:08,400
people

1930
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:11,600
have no voice in the council. I think

1931
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:14,000
this is a good time for I think it would

1932
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:15,840
be a reduction Sunday would be good. But

1933
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,239
now

1934
01:33:18,239 --> 01:33:20,800
it puts too long of a gap where there's

1935
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:22,639
a huge portion of the vote that was

1936
01:33:22,639 --> 01:33:24,880
recently voted on and we're greed by by

1937
01:33:24,880 --> 01:33:28,080
the people but our voice will be unheard

1938
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,159
for that period until we have a chance

1939
01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:32,239
to run again

1940
01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:34,639
and I think that's unfair that's the

1941
01:33:34,639 --> 01:33:40,470
only thing I that's unfair

1942
01:33:40,480 --> 01:33:44,560
strange catalyst the world

1943
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:52,629
Um,

1944
01:33:52,639 --> 01:34:02,709
» yeah.

1945
01:34:02,719 --> 01:34:06,629
Is there is there any other

1946
01:34:06,639 --> 01:34:08,320
way?

1947
01:34:08,320 --> 01:34:10,159
>> I was going to say I've been a proponent

1948
01:34:10,159 --> 01:34:12,000
and spoken publicly about drinking the

1949
01:34:12,000 --> 01:34:14,159
council since I was running. I've had

1950
01:34:14,159 --> 01:34:16,960
multiple people come to me as as I was

1951
01:34:16,960 --> 01:34:19,520
campaigning beforehand even even now

1952
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:21,600
it's just like still this discussion

1953
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:25,120
continues to come up and come up. So I'm

1954
01:34:25,120 --> 01:34:27,280
putting this to a vote for to the people

1955
01:34:27,280 --> 01:34:29,520
to vote for this.

1956
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:33,590
My second point just

1957
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:35,760
» okay that was my second point is all

1958
01:34:35,760 --> 01:34:38,080
sweet council with all of the senior

1959
01:34:38,080 --> 01:34:40,239
members who have been fighting for close

1960
01:34:40,239 --> 01:34:42,639
to a decade now

1961
01:34:42,639 --> 01:34:44,400
it'll be all fresh blood and all the

1962
01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,159
things we've been fighting for sweep on

1963
01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:47,920
the road

1964
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:50,800
and that is being is not fair. It's it's

1965
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:52,719
not very

1966
01:34:52,719 --> 01:34:54,480
it takes all of our work and all of our

1967
01:34:54,480 --> 01:34:58,639
voice. It's this community.

1968
01:34:58,639 --> 01:35:00,800
It's not they're not voting reducing the

1969
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:10,310
council. They're voting voice

1970
01:35:10,320 --> 01:35:13,199
and that

1971
01:35:13,199 --> 01:35:15,440
not

1972
01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:28,550
you'll fail as a super majority.

1973
01:35:28,560 --> 01:35:29,120
again.

1974
01:35:29,120 --> 01:35:30,880
>> No.

1975
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:33,040
>> I have to say no.

1976
01:35:33,040 --> 01:35:35,440
>> Yes.

1977
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:36,080
>> Nipper.

1978
01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:37,280
>> No.

1979
01:35:37,280 --> 01:35:38,320
>> Fredo,

1980
01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:39,199
>> yes.

1981
01:35:39,199 --> 01:35:40,080
>> Ragic,

1982
01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:40,800
>> yes.

1983
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:41,679
>> Shaw,

1984
01:35:41,679 --> 01:35:42,480
>> yes.

1985
01:35:42,480 --> 01:35:43,360
>> Swore.

1986
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:44,159
>> Yes.

1987
01:35:44,159 --> 01:35:45,120
>> Taylor,

1988
01:35:45,120 --> 01:35:46,239
>> no.

1989
01:35:46,239 --> 01:35:47,280
>> Wilson,

1990
01:35:47,280 --> 01:35:48,719
>> yes.

1991
01:35:48,719 --> 01:35:53,669
Motion does not pass with points.

1992
01:35:53,679 --> 01:35:56,239
Go ahead.

1993
01:35:56,239 --> 01:35:59,040
>> The last item on the agenda for special

1994
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:01,760
committee items

1995
01:36:01,760 --> 01:36:03,600
on the ethics committee findings

1996
01:36:03,600 --> 01:36:06,159
regarding ethics and conduct violation

1997
01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:08,239
complaints. We'll look forward to

1998
01:36:08,239 --> 01:36:12,149
discussing.

1999
01:36:12,159 --> 01:36:15,600
» I suppose it remains here.

2000
01:36:15,600 --> 01:36:20,149
We haven't discussed that. together.

2001
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:21,760
» There's nothing within the code that

2002
01:36:21,760 --> 01:36:23,520
says that we need to recuse yourself

2003
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:38,709
discussions.

2004
01:36:38,719 --> 01:36:40,239
» So, are we open for discussion?

2005
01:36:40,239 --> 01:36:43,360
>> Yes, we're open for discussion. Would it

2006
01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:46,159
be better if you find something a little

2007
01:36:46,159 --> 01:36:48,719
shocking or disconcerting to present it

2008
01:36:48,719 --> 01:36:51,199
in a,

2009
01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:52,800
you know, email or letter? I mean, we're

2010
01:36:52,800 --> 01:36:54,159
not supposed to send something out to

2011
01:36:54,159 --> 01:36:55,840
everyone, but rather than just say it,

2012
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:57,520
you know, in public meeting, but it' be

2013
01:36:57,520 --> 01:37:01,760
better to just share your concerns and

2014
01:37:01,760 --> 01:37:05,750
be emailed.

2015
01:37:05,760 --> 01:37:07,840
» Oh, sure.

2016
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:09,520
I'm just wondering, you know, if you

2017
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:11,840
find um something a little shocking or

2018
01:37:11,840 --> 01:37:13,600
disconcerting, would it be better to

2019
01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:15,280
rather than just to say it publicly in

2020
01:37:15,280 --> 01:37:18,719
the in the moment to share it in an

2021
01:37:18,719 --> 01:37:21,040
email or a letter? We've had, you know,

2022
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:26,000
people do that. So, um

2023
01:37:26,000 --> 01:37:29,199
is that what is that what we prefer?

2024
01:37:29,199 --> 01:37:30,960
I think that would be up to the Are

2025
01:37:30,960 --> 01:37:33,040
>> you talking about this particular issue

2026
01:37:33,040 --> 01:37:33,840
or

2027
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:35,440
>> Yeah, this particular either this

2028
01:37:35,440 --> 01:37:36,960
particular issue. Would it have been

2029
01:37:36,960 --> 01:37:39,360
more appropriate to share the concern in

2030
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:41,440
an email or a letter to the council?

2031
01:37:41,440 --> 01:37:42,719
>> My concern?

2032
01:37:42,719 --> 01:37:45,280
>> Yes. Your concern with the fact you know

2033
01:37:45,280 --> 01:37:48,239
that um people were voting against

2034
01:37:48,239 --> 01:37:49,760
people who wanted to volunteer their

2035
01:37:49,760 --> 01:37:50,239
time.

2036
01:37:50,239 --> 01:37:51,920
>> Oh, if I would have calmed down or wrote

2037
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:53,760
something more eloquently, I see if I

2038
01:37:53,760 --> 01:37:55,679
can defend myself. I wasn't meaning to

2039
01:37:55,679 --> 01:37:57,280
discussing wasn't the word. I just meant

2040
01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:02,149
that I felt it was unnecessary.

2041
01:38:02,159 --> 01:38:05,199
» Yes, it wasn't due to their

2042
01:38:05,199 --> 01:38:08,239
qualifications for the position. It was

2043
01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:12,080
a personal noble in my opinion in my

2044
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:22,550
opinion.

2045
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:25,040
» I just I just I felt it was unnecessary.

2046
01:38:25,040 --> 01:38:26,480
There's been a lot of other committees

2047
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:29,440
where the people that were

2048
01:38:29,440 --> 01:38:31,760
the opposing side has pushed through

2049
01:38:31,760 --> 01:38:50,790
without a single link or non

2050
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:54,629
as a representative

2051
01:38:54,639 --> 01:38:56,000
It's supposed to be part of something I

2052
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:02,790
feel and that's why I try to keep it

2053
01:39:02,800 --> 01:39:11,270
as

2054
01:39:11,280 --> 01:39:14,560
saying that express my opinion on what I

2055
01:39:14,560 --> 01:39:16,400
felt was unnecessary but was not a big

2056
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:19,679
sanction publicly

2057
01:39:19,679 --> 01:39:22,159
lack of

2058
01:39:22,159 --> 01:39:25,679
choice of words and

2059
01:39:25,679 --> 01:39:28,400
I'm sorry.

2060
01:39:28,400 --> 01:39:31,040
>> I'll just I'll just add that my concern

2061
01:39:31,040 --> 01:39:33,040
with the ethics committee was that it

2062
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:34,960
would be used as you know it would be

2063
01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:38,080
weaponized and and I've seen that I've

2064
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:40,080
seen that go on and that's disconcerting

2065
01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:41,679
to me. I think it creates a lack of

2066
01:39:41,679 --> 01:39:52,310
trust. So that's my opinion.

2067
01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:59,280
I have every right to vote how I feel on

2068
01:39:59,280 --> 01:40:02,000
the appointments to a thing and I can

2069
01:40:02,000 --> 01:40:04,800
repeat some conversations I had with one

2070
01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:08,400
member uh that we voted for and I don't

2071
01:40:08,400 --> 01:40:10,239
think you would be surprised that I

2072
01:40:10,239 --> 01:40:13,360
voted against them. And if you bothered

2073
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:16,560
to ask why, you might have found out

2074
01:40:16,560 --> 01:40:20,239
instead of telling me I'm disgusting.

2075
01:40:20,239 --> 01:40:25,109
That's all I have to say.

2076
01:40:25,119 --> 01:40:27,520
I want to ask David. Dave, uh, something

2077
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:30,800
that catches my ear is our side. You

2078
01:40:30,800 --> 01:40:36,159
explain that because to me that's really an important discussion.

2079
01:40:36,159 --> 01:40:41,199
I don't see any sides and I'm done with

2080
01:40:41,199 --> 01:40:44,080
fine. No, there's no sides. You're

2081
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:46,719
right. There is. Okay. So, can you tell

2082
01:40:46,719 --> 01:40:49,600
me what you mean by that? It's kind of a

2083
01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:51,360
straight question.

2084
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:55,119
>> Let's see if we get any physical signs.

2085
01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:56,880
Some of them would be destroyed. Some of

2086
01:40:56,880 --> 01:40:57,840
them wouldn't even though they're

2087
01:40:57,840 --> 01:40:59,360
sitting side by side that show the

2088
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:02,239
direct compositional sides. It shows

2089
01:41:02,239 --> 01:41:04,159
that there's a

2090
01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:05,679
and that's that's what you're thinking

2091
01:41:05,679 --> 01:41:09,990
when you say our side.

2092
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:12,639
It's an honest question. I want I want

2093
01:41:12,639 --> 01:41:15,199
to learn because I I'm on here and I

2094
01:41:15,199 --> 01:41:17,199
have I don't have any interest in sink

2095
01:41:17,199 --> 01:41:20,159
sites. I want that to be really funny

2096
01:41:20,159 --> 01:41:22,400
when I share it. I want to know I want

2097
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:24,400
to know where this is coming from.

2098
01:41:24,400 --> 01:41:26,719
>> John being involved.

2099
01:41:26,719 --> 01:41:28,320
>> Oh, I've been watching this council for

2100
01:41:28,320 --> 01:41:31,760
a while so I think I know.

2101
01:41:31,760 --> 01:41:34,639
And so I offense to to me saying that I

2102
01:41:34,639 --> 01:41:37,199
feel like I'm being targeted by by an

2103
01:41:37,199 --> 01:41:39,199
opposition.

2104
01:41:39,199 --> 01:41:42,080
I'm not part of me. I'm not there's an

2105
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:46,719
organized group that is targeting me.

2106
01:41:46,719 --> 01:41:48,560
>> I don't feel that way. I mean,

2107
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:50,639
>> okay, we'll have a discussion. Let's you

2108
01:41:50,639 --> 01:41:52,400
and I get together. We'll have a

2109
01:41:52,400 --> 01:41:54,800
discussion about that in

2110
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:57,040
I'd like to see if we have something

2111
01:41:57,040 --> 01:41:59,199
going on in this city and in this

2112
01:41:59,199 --> 01:42:02,080
council under this chamber where someone

2113
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:04,239
feels targeted,

2114
01:42:04,239 --> 01:42:07,360
we have to deal with that. And I'm not

2115
01:42:07,360 --> 01:42:09,360
that that's a serious issue and and

2116
01:42:09,360 --> 01:42:12,400
let's talk about it.

2117
01:42:12,400 --> 01:42:14,719
Okay. It's unfortunate where that that's

2118
01:42:14,719 --> 01:42:17,360
a discussion, but yes, I am bringing

2119
01:42:17,360 --> 01:42:19,600
that to the table. So, why don't you and

2120
01:42:19,600 --> 01:42:22,320
I get together? Get together.

2121
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:24,480
>> There's

2122
01:42:24,480 --> 01:42:38,390
ever since the rally card

2123
01:42:38,400 --> 01:42:42,000
making a vote to remove our president

2124
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:44,800
time knowing

2125
01:42:44,800 --> 01:42:47,520
that we do have a post ambassador.

2126
01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:49,119
very similar circumstances to the way

2127
01:42:49,119 --> 01:42:52,950
that the doctors

2128
01:42:52,960 --> 01:42:55,679
can.

2129
01:42:55,679 --> 01:42:58,320
So if there was no as you're saying no

2130
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:00,480
targeting the three people that were

2131
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:07,910
picked who ran for that you

2132
01:43:07,920 --> 01:43:09,920
» act thank you

2133
01:43:09,920 --> 01:43:11,840
those three if it was three other ones I

2134
01:43:11,840 --> 01:43:13,840
am darn sure it would have passed with

2135
01:43:13,840 --> 01:43:15,840
no problem

2136
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,639
so you can't tell me that it's not I've

2137
01:43:18,639 --> 01:43:21,280
sat here for many years and I've watched

2138
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:24,400
it and over and over and over it's

2139
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:27,199
specific groups specific people and you

2140
01:43:27,199 --> 01:43:30,159
can't deny that

2141
01:43:30,159 --> 01:43:31,679
>> and if you don't see it

2142
01:43:31,679 --> 01:43:33,199
>> well then you have blinders

2143
01:43:33,199 --> 01:43:34,719
>> I got to tell you

2144
01:43:34,719 --> 01:43:36,560
>> I voted for the people that were brought

2145
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:38,960
forward through the process and that's

2146
01:43:38,960 --> 01:43:41,360
as simple as that and that's how we need

2147
01:43:41,360 --> 01:43:44,800
business and carrying this stuff forward

2148
01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:46,320
you know and basically dropping this

2149
01:43:46,320 --> 01:43:49,600
baggage in front of the safety

2150
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:51,679
and maybe getting in the way of doing

2151
01:43:51,679 --> 01:43:53,360
the business of the city which is what

2152
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:55,199
this is

2153
01:43:55,199 --> 01:43:57,920
um concerns me. So, we need to sit down

2154
01:43:57,920 --> 01:44:01,840
and put that stuff away. I agree.

2155
01:44:01,840 --> 01:44:04,639
There can't be a division like that

2156
01:44:04,639 --> 01:44:05,679
going forward.

2157
01:44:05,679 --> 01:44:07,760
>> I I I fully agree with you that there

2158
01:44:07,760 --> 01:44:11,040
shouldn't be a division, but there is.

2159
01:44:11,040 --> 01:44:12,800
>> And and you know, the other side is just

2160
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:14,320
let's just remember that when we come

2161
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:16,480
here, this is a nonpartisan.

2162
01:44:16,480 --> 01:44:19,119
>> Absolutely. You know, just remember that

2163
01:44:19,119 --> 01:44:22,400
it's a nonpartisan body and you can you

2164
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:24,800
are all made up of your personal

2165
01:44:24,800 --> 01:44:27,440
opinions. We understand you're free to

2166
01:44:27,440 --> 01:44:29,760
have those.

2167
01:44:29,760 --> 01:44:30,320
Go ahead.

2168
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:32,800
>> Sorry. I just wanted to reiterate that

2169
01:44:32,800 --> 01:44:35,040
we all can vote independently how we

2170
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:38,400
want to vote and as expressed by council

2171
01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:41,040
person Fredo that his reason for voting

2172
01:44:41,040 --> 01:44:43,920
no was specific because he had been

2173
01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:46,320
engaged with one of those people who had

2174
01:44:46,320 --> 01:44:48,960
very negative comments to say in public

2175
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:52,000
forum. So I can fully understand that if

2176
01:44:52,000 --> 01:44:54,239
I had someone out here who was calling

2177
01:44:54,239 --> 01:44:57,119
me some sort of names or something I'm

2178
01:44:57,119 --> 01:44:59,520
not going to bug them in. Why why would

2179
01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:01,040
I do that? So you're right. You should

2180
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:03,440
put yours aside. Shouldn't you? Or

2181
01:45:03,440 --> 01:45:06,000
should you not put that negative and

2182
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:07,840
look at

2183
01:45:07,840 --> 01:45:11,109
>> Yes.

2184
01:45:11,119 --> 01:45:12,400
» Sorry.

2185
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:17,199
>> I I know this is on me and I want to let

2186
01:45:17,199 --> 01:45:21,040
people know that I in no way intended my

2187
01:45:21,040 --> 01:45:25,679
vote to be political. It was not. I

2188
01:45:25,679 --> 01:45:29,679
looked at what the results might be of

2189
01:45:29,679 --> 01:45:32,480
certain people being on the committee

2190
01:45:32,480 --> 01:45:35,600
and I'm looking at the best outcome for

2191
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:40,719
the city had nothing to do with none.

2192
01:45:40,719 --> 01:45:44,239
But I must say that when you said that

2193
01:45:44,239 --> 01:45:49,600
people that uh voted no were disgusting,

2194
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:52,719
it made me think twice about should I

2195
01:45:52,719 --> 01:45:55,679
ever vote against him again?

2196
01:45:55,679 --> 01:45:57,920
you know, should I always wait and hear

2197
01:45:57,920 --> 01:45:59,760
what he's going to vote so that he

2198
01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:03,280
doesn't turn around and they

2199
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:05,679
>> But I

2200
01:46:05,679 --> 01:46:08,560
that I'm just saying I that was not my

2201
01:46:08,560 --> 01:46:11,280
reasoning. It was not political. I did

2202
01:46:11,280 --> 01:46:17,119
not do anything. I prompted that was not

2203
01:46:17,119 --> 01:46:18,560
security.

2204
01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:22,000
>> So I So first I I would like to say I do

2205
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:25,360
not believe that Mr. called any bud

2206
01:46:25,360 --> 01:46:28,960
disgusting. He called the action,

2207
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:31,920
not the people. I've just heard twice

2208
01:46:31,920 --> 01:46:35,040
from two people on the council that they

2209
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:36,800
took it personal was they were called

2210
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:40,480
disgusting. That was not the intent. I

2211
01:46:40,480 --> 01:46:42,320
can clearly see that cuz I was sitting

2212
01:46:42,320 --> 01:46:46,639
here. Secondly, we do need to put aside

2213
01:46:46,639 --> 01:46:50,239
our personal feelings, how we feel about

2214
01:46:50,239 --> 01:46:51,840
somebody,

2215
01:46:51,840 --> 01:46:56,239
and vote on the ability for them to do a

2216
01:46:56,239 --> 01:47:00,000
good job, not how we personally feel

2217
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:02,880
about somebody.

2218
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:06,159
And and and in my opinion, this is my

2219
01:47:06,159 --> 01:47:07,679
opinion, I believe that that's what Mr.

2220
01:47:07,679 --> 01:47:11,270
Gay was saying.

2221
01:47:11,280 --> 01:47:14,159
I remember more as to not discourage

2222
01:47:14,159 --> 01:47:16,400
people from applying from the position

2223
01:47:16,400 --> 01:47:20,159
of we start trying to pick favors when

2224
01:47:20,159 --> 01:47:21,280
there's only three out. It's not like

2225
01:47:21,280 --> 01:47:22,960
there was an actual vote being presented

2226
01:47:22,960 --> 01:47:26,560
as who was going to win over who who was

2227
01:47:26,560 --> 01:47:29,119
prepared by by choice. It was it was

2228
01:47:29,119 --> 01:47:32,480
just a it was a it was a technicality

2229
01:47:32,480 --> 01:47:33,520
breaking them through because they're

2230
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:34,960
the only ones that apply and by saying

2231
01:47:34,960 --> 01:47:38,400
no it was just a slap in the face to to

2232
01:47:38,400 --> 01:47:45,030
how things should operate. So,

2233
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:47,760
» so I I've been waiting to let everyone

2234
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:50,080
have their their things so that I could

2235
01:47:50,080 --> 01:47:53,679
address some of these um concerns. Um

2236
01:47:53,679 --> 01:47:55,840
when the ethics committee met, we were

2237
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:57,520
very sensitive to all of these concerns

2238
01:47:57,520 --> 01:48:01,199
and we shared them. We discussed the uh

2239
01:48:01,199 --> 01:48:03,360
fear that had been expressed to we've

2240
01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:07,520
heard previously about the um ethics um

2241
01:48:07,520 --> 01:48:11,600
being weaponized and um and we discussed

2242
01:48:11,600 --> 01:48:14,400
all this at length and the reason that

2243
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:16,639
we came to the conclusions that we did

2244
01:48:16,639 --> 01:48:20,080
is we found that um a couple of the

2245
01:48:20,080 --> 01:48:23,840
issues were not not supported. Um but

2246
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:28,000
the tone of voice and um calling

2247
01:48:28,000 --> 01:48:30,960
someone's votes in a derogatory manner

2248
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:33,360
that that was that was supportive.

2249
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:35,920
Whether you know you are allowed to

2250
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:39,520
disagree certainly um but we just felt

2251
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:42,800
that um by calling somebody's choice of

2252
01:48:42,800 --> 01:48:45,360
votes disgusting that was crossing the

2253
01:48:45,360 --> 01:48:48,960
line of the letter of being professional

2254
01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:51,520
and working in a professional way. That

2255
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:52,880
was why we came to the decision that we

2256
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:56,560
did and it was unanimous.

2257
01:48:56,560 --> 01:48:59,679
>> Do you guys

2258
01:48:59,679 --> 01:49:02,880
get to that?

2259
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:07,669
>> I just wanted to also

2260
01:49:07,679 --> 01:49:11,040
» and we take the vote as a as a council.

2261
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:13,360
We're not always going to win. It's not

2262
01:49:13,360 --> 01:49:14,800
always going to be the vote that we

2263
01:49:14,800 --> 01:49:16,719
want. Everyone just happened tonight.

2264
01:49:16,719 --> 01:49:18,719
But I was just very happy.

2265
01:49:18,719 --> 01:49:22,080
But as a council, whether we whether

2266
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:24,400
we're on the winning side or not, we're

2267
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:26,800
obligated as a council to stand by that

2268
01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:30,480
decision as a group, as a unit, and our

2269
01:49:30,480 --> 01:49:33,440
individual opinions.

2270
01:49:33,440 --> 01:49:36,000
Isn't is that's not the point. The point

2271
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:38,080
is as a group, we've come together and

2272
01:49:38,080 --> 01:49:41,360
we've made a decision in democracy. That

2273
01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:43,920
decision wins. It doesn't mean that we

2274
01:49:43,920 --> 01:49:46,960
attack people who didn't agree with us.

2275
01:49:46,960 --> 01:49:48,800
That's

2276
01:49:48,800 --> 01:49:51,119
I'm not saying one way is right or the

2277
01:49:51,119 --> 01:49:53,760
other. I'm just saying in a democracy in

2278
01:49:53,760 --> 01:49:56,080
this council

2279
01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:59,360
we make a decision. We as as a group

2280
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:02,560
have made that decision whether it's the

2281
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:05,119
one that we chose or not and we must

2282
01:50:05,119 --> 01:50:07,440
stand by it. In the past this council

2283
01:50:07,440 --> 01:50:11,199
has not stood by decision and that was

2284
01:50:11,199 --> 01:50:14,080
completely wrong and unethical.

2285
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:16,080
moving forward, we need to stand by the

2286
01:50:16,080 --> 01:50:18,000
decision of the council and whatever the

2287
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:20,719
vote is, we all need to

2288
01:50:20,719 --> 01:50:23,199
swallow whatever anger we have inside

2289
01:50:23,199 --> 01:50:25,520
and stand behind that vote because we

2290
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:28,880
are a council. We we're we're united and

2291
01:50:28,880 --> 01:50:30,320
we are of course united, but

2292
01:50:30,320 --> 01:50:34,870
individually we're not

2293
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:39,920
sorry. No, that's my my

2294
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:44,870
when you were 11, I invoked

2295
01:50:44,880 --> 01:50:53,350
Have I ever feel uncomfortable?

2296
01:50:53,360 --> 01:50:54,639
» I have a couple of comments.

2297
01:50:54,639 --> 01:50:56,400
>> Yes.

2298
01:50:56,400 --> 01:51:01,440
Excuse me. I need to go get to either.

2299
01:51:01,440 --> 01:51:03,280
>> My only

2300
01:51:03,280 --> 01:51:05,040
this is, you know, I feel like this is a

2301
01:51:05,040 --> 01:51:07,440
discussion.

2302
01:51:07,440 --> 01:51:09,600
We're not here to make words and

2303
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:11,600
discuss, you know, what decisions have

2304
01:51:11,600 --> 01:51:13,360
been getting in the past or how votes

2305
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:15,199
have gone in the past, how we've acted

2306
01:51:15,199 --> 01:51:18,000
after voting. We're here to talk about

2307
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:19,520
this one instance. And what this one

2308
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:23,040
instance comes down to is support,

2309
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:26,000
an obligation that each of us holds, to

2310
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:28,800
have disagreements with respect, to

2311
01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:31,199
speak with each other with respect, have

2312
01:51:31,199 --> 01:51:34,080
attack,

2313
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:37,760
and just a little bit of kindness.

2314
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:39,280
So

2315
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:41,679
that that's all I all I have to add to

2316
01:51:41,679 --> 01:51:47,750
that.

2317
01:51:47,760 --> 01:51:51,750
» Go ahead first.

2318
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:55,990
» I

2319
01:51:56,000 --> 01:51:58,400
Oh gosh. If somebody's yelling at you on

2320
01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:00,880
screen, cursing at you, does your

2321
01:52:00,880 --> 01:52:02,960
personal opinion, what they're saying

2322
01:52:02,960 --> 01:52:04,719
really affect what they're yelling at

2323
01:52:04,719 --> 01:52:08,400
you? Because you can look

2324
01:52:08,400 --> 01:52:10,960
up these people and look at their

2325
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:14,000
comments about our council or see

2326
01:52:14,000 --> 01:52:21,589
actions and they're not like you know

2327
01:52:21,599 --> 01:52:26,149
from mind

2328
01:52:26,159 --> 01:52:33,990
decision

2329
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:41,589
process not just kind of

2330
01:52:41,599 --> 01:52:48,870
this wasn't party affiliation

2331
01:52:48,880 --> 01:52:53,910
by the people

2332
01:52:53,920 --> 01:52:56,800
seeing their friend groups

2333
01:52:56,800 --> 01:53:03,910
to make decisions.

2334
01:53:03,920 --> 01:53:07,040
Um I can I say something

2335
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:08,320
really?

2336
01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:08,880
>> Yeah.

2337
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:10,719
>> Um

2338
01:53:10,719 --> 01:53:15,199
we spent I Katie uh finance director

2339
01:53:15,199 --> 01:53:18,560
Katie Williamson and I spent many many

2340
01:53:18,560 --> 01:53:21,760
hours um trying to follow reading

2341
01:53:21,760 --> 01:53:24,320
through code um trying to follow

2342
01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:26,560
everything to to a tea because we knew

2343
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:27,920
how important this was. This is our

2344
01:53:27,920 --> 01:53:30,320
first time dealing with this.

2345
01:53:30,320 --> 01:53:34,400
We spent hours with our attorney getting

2346
01:53:34,400 --> 01:53:38,320
advice, figuring out steps that needed

2347
01:53:38,320 --> 01:53:40,400
to be made, ensuring cross, you know,

2348
01:53:40,400 --> 01:53:42,480
dotting our eyes, crossing our tees, all

2349
01:53:42,480 --> 01:53:45,520
of the things. And the result is

2350
01:53:45,520 --> 01:53:48,480
probably tens of thousands of dollars

2351
01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:51,360
collectively that we spent just handling

2352
01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:53,520
this issue

2353
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:55,360
because

2354
01:53:55,360 --> 01:53:59,440
of like maybe there was a a way to talk

2355
01:53:59,440 --> 01:54:01,920
about this or to deal with it at a lower

2356
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:06,239
level. I understand that this is

2357
01:54:06,239 --> 01:54:08,639
this exists

2358
01:54:08,639 --> 01:54:12,159
and that feels disrespectful.

2359
01:54:12,159 --> 01:54:15,040
Um,

2360
01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:17,040
I understand that these rules exist to

2361
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:19,599
keep people safe and to provide a a

2362
01:54:19,599 --> 01:54:22,000
process and way a procedure for all of

2363
01:54:22,000 --> 01:54:24,960
you to to do this to to to be able to

2364
01:54:24,960 --> 01:54:27,679
air out your grievances. But I just want

2365
01:54:27,679 --> 01:54:30,560
you also to be aware

2366
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:33,840
of the money that goes and the time that

2367
01:54:33,840 --> 01:54:36,639
pulls her away from the budget process

2368
01:54:36,639 --> 01:54:38,800
handling making sure our payments are

2369
01:54:38,800 --> 01:54:41,599
made, you know, utility bills, all the

2370
01:54:41,599 --> 01:54:43,199
things that go into it. So, I just I

2371
01:54:43,199 --> 01:54:45,040
also want you to be aware I'm not trying

2372
01:54:45,040 --> 01:54:48,639
to discourage you to not pursue this,

2373
01:54:48,639 --> 01:54:50,880
but I just want you to be aware of the

2374
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:53,920
operational impact to the city that this

2375
01:54:53,920 --> 01:54:57,360
has. So, thank you.

2376
01:54:57,360 --> 01:55:07,430
Oh

2377
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:11,109
Counc.

2378
01:55:11,119 --> 01:55:14,159
The amount of money and the time

2379
01:55:14,159 --> 01:55:16,480
is nothing if everyone hears sharing

2380
01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:18,639
their voice the way that they should be.

2381
01:55:18,639 --> 01:55:21,440
And accountability is the number one

2382
01:55:21,440 --> 01:55:22,719
thing that we should all be building

2383
01:55:22,719 --> 01:55:24,239
ourselves up to. Whether it's

2384
01:55:24,239 --> 01:55:25,760
accountability to each other,

2385
01:55:25,760 --> 01:55:27,280
accountability to the staff for

2386
01:55:27,280 --> 01:55:28,800
accountability to the people that voted

2387
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:31,360
us up here and accountability to each

2388
01:55:31,360 --> 01:55:33,040
other comes up real quick when we look

2389
01:55:33,040 --> 01:55:37,440
at the fact that we just approved this. So yes, it might have taken a long

2390
01:55:37,440 --> 01:55:39,440
time this time. Yes, it might have cost

2391
01:55:39,440 --> 01:55:40,960
that much money which never came up in

2392
01:55:40,960 --> 01:55:44,719
our conversations and I wish it had but

2393
01:55:44,719 --> 01:55:46,480
nevertheless

2394
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:47,920
it's the same thing I I shared with you

2395
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:49,360
before. I mean accountability is

2396
01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:51,280
everything. So we can't be accountable

2397
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:52,719
to one another. How can you ever build

2398
01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:54,080
trust? It's not going to be advertised

2399
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:56,320
to break down this concept of us being

2400
01:55:56,320 --> 01:55:59,440
on two two sides, two teams.

2401
01:55:59,440 --> 01:56:00,480
And I'm not going to sit here and

2402
01:56:00,480 --> 01:56:02,320
pretend like it doesn't exist. But I'm

2403
01:56:02,320 --> 01:56:03,520
also not going to sit here and pretend

2404
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:05,199
like I haven't spent the last two years

2405
01:56:05,199 --> 01:56:07,599
as council president trying everything I

2406
01:56:07,599 --> 01:56:10,400
can to break that down, trying to get

2407
01:56:10,400 --> 01:56:11,840
people on that other side to have

2408
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:14,400
conversations with me, to meet with me,

2409
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:18,560
to read an email and respond to it.

2410
01:56:18,560 --> 01:56:23,119
I can't make you work together.

2411
01:56:23,119 --> 01:56:26,960
So, there's one side or two sides. Maybe

2412
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:28,320
we should all start looking in the

2413
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:33,910
mirror.

2414
01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:39,109
» Thank you for the discussion.

2415
01:56:39,119 --> 01:56:41,440
One point if I could, but like I said,

2416
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:44,560
Josh is upset. Josh since we were young

2417
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:46,080
boys.

2418
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:47,840
Josh, when I'm speaking at I honestly

2419
01:56:47,840 --> 01:56:48,960
didn't even know you voted. No, you

2420
01:56:48,960 --> 01:56:52,400
weren't even in my thoughts like even I

2421
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:55,040
that's why I honestly I hadn't even

2422
01:56:55,040 --> 01:56:56,560
consider you as part of I didn't hear

2423
01:56:56,560 --> 01:56:59,360
you voted and I honestly didn't even

2424
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:01,360
when I made that statement you weren't

2425
01:57:01,360 --> 01:57:04,159
even in my mind as one of the people at

2426
01:57:04,159 --> 01:57:05,679
all.

2427
01:57:05,679 --> 01:57:08,639
Sorry if you miss I honestly Dr. all of

2428
01:57:08,639 --> 01:57:12,639
those and I didn't even have you already

2429
01:57:12,639 --> 01:57:14,159
process

2430
01:57:14,159 --> 01:57:17,520
I apologize to you

2431
01:57:17,520 --> 01:57:21,270
that would not feel good

2432
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:23,679
outside you and I got to have a nice hug

2433
01:57:23,679 --> 01:57:30,550
after this I'm sorry

2434
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:31,920
» for a motion

2435
01:57:31,920 --> 01:57:34,159
>> are we ready for a motion

2436
01:57:34,159 --> 01:57:36,400
there's any more discussion

2437
01:57:36,400 --> 01:57:38,480
>> I'd like to make a motion to approve the

2438
01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:40,239
findings and conclusions of the ethics

2439
01:57:40,239 --> 01:57:45,840
committee specifically that AMC 2.2430

2440
01:57:45,840 --> 01:57:49,760
A12 A and B were not sustained and that

2441
01:57:49,760 --> 01:58:00,950
AMC 2.2430 2430 A12 and P was sustained.

2442
01:58:00,960 --> 01:58:06,149
» Second

2443
01:58:06,159 --> 01:58:09,990
discussion.

2444
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:12,800
» All in favor say I.

2445
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:16,239
>> We need to do the house.

2446
01:58:16,239 --> 01:58:18,639
>> Okay. Thank you.

2447
01:58:18,639 --> 01:58:25,510
>> Francancy. Yes,

2448
01:58:25,520 --> 01:58:29,599
» we're voting on sustaining the findings

2449
01:58:29,599 --> 01:58:31,280
of the ethics committee.

2450
01:58:31,280 --> 01:58:33,119
>> Oh, should I even vote yes on this? I

2451
01:58:33,119 --> 01:58:34,560
should learn how to use better language

2452
01:58:34,560 --> 01:58:38,390
than not describing my displeasure.

2453
01:58:38,400 --> 01:58:41,199
» I have to say no because I think I'm

2454
01:58:41,199 --> 01:58:43,679
going to a little bit of a neuter but

2455
01:58:43,679 --> 01:58:45,920
that would be my coverage.

2456
01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:46,880
>> Yes.

2457
01:58:46,880 --> 01:58:47,679
>> Point.

2458
01:58:47,679 --> 01:58:48,320
>> Yes.

2459
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:49,679
>> Nipper. Yes,

2460
01:58:49,679 --> 01:58:50,560
>> Fredo.

2461
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:51,199
>> Yes,

2462
01:58:51,199 --> 01:58:52,000
>> Raj.

2463
01:58:52,000 --> 01:58:52,560
>> Yes,

2464
01:58:52,560 --> 01:58:53,199
>> Shaw.

2465
01:58:53,199 --> 01:58:55,199
>> Yes,

2466
01:58:55,199 --> 01:58:57,119
>> Taylor.

2467
01:58:57,119 --> 01:58:58,320
>> Wilson.

2468
01:58:58,320 --> 01:59:00,000
>> Yes.

2469
01:59:00,000 --> 01:59:04,639
Motion passes with 10 yeses of

2470
01:59:04,639 --> 01:59:06,239
>> like to make a motion to approve

2471
01:59:06,239 --> 01:59:08,080
administering the recommended verbal

2472
01:59:08,080 --> 01:59:11,280
admonition under AMC 2.24

2473
01:59:11,280 --> 01:59:17,830
050D.

2474
01:59:17,840 --> 01:59:22,870
I think we already you already

2475
01:59:22,880 --> 01:59:31,510
second

2476
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:37,030
to get on

2477
01:59:37,040 --> 01:59:39,520
say no.

2478
01:59:39,520 --> 01:59:42,400
Yes.

2479
01:59:42,400 --> 01:59:51,510
No.

2480
01:59:51,520 --> 02:00:04,470
punishment. I'll say yes, but

2481
02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:08,000
you see there was three clues. Sorry,

2482
02:00:08,000 --> 02:00:11,910
David.

2483
02:00:11,920 --> 02:00:20,149
That's territori.

2484
02:00:20,159 --> 02:00:22,480
» The committee recommends that the

2485
02:00:22,480 --> 02:00:24,000
council approve and deliver the

2486
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:27,520
following verbal admonishment.

2487
02:00:27,520 --> 02:00:29,679
Council member Gen, the city council

2488
02:00:29,679 --> 02:00:32,400
recognizes that the council members may

2489
02:00:32,400 --> 02:00:34,639
disagree on matters before the council

2490
02:00:34,639 --> 02:00:36,400
and may express differing views

2491
02:00:36,400 --> 02:00:38,480
concerning motions, appointments,

2492
02:00:38,480 --> 02:00:41,679
policies, and other official actions.

2493
02:00:41,679 --> 02:00:43,679
Such disagreements should remain focused

2494
02:00:43,679 --> 02:00:48,639
as coming to the subject issue action

2495
02:00:48,639 --> 02:00:51,119
decision under consideration and should

2496
02:00:51,119 --> 02:00:53,760
not become persevering demeaning towards

2497
02:00:53,760 --> 02:00:56,320
council members who hold a different a

2498
02:00:56,320 --> 02:00:59,520
different view or cast a different vote.

2499
02:00:59,520 --> 02:01:01,760
The council finds that characterizing

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02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:04,480
the votes of individual fellow council

2501
02:01:04,480 --> 02:01:07,280
members as disgusting in delivering that

2502
02:01:07,280 --> 02:01:09,119
comment in a confrontational and

2503
02:01:09,119 --> 02:01:11,920
disagreeable tone did not complain the

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02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:15,199
personal workplace standards required by

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02:01:15,199 --> 02:01:18,880
AMC chapter 2.24.

2506
02:01:18,880 --> 02:01:21,679
Council admonishes you and reminds you

2507
02:01:21,679 --> 02:01:24,639
that disagreement must be expressed with

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02:01:24,639 --> 02:01:27,119
professionalism, due respect, and

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02:01:27,119 --> 02:01:38,870
civility.

2510
02:01:38,880 --> 02:01:50,629
public comments.

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02:01:50,639 --> 02:02:03,109
Is there anybody else in the audience?

2512
02:02:03,119 --> 02:02:05,679
Um, what I was saying earlier, it was

2513
02:02:05,679 --> 02:02:07,760
just what happened.

2514
02:02:07,760 --> 02:02:12,000
This guy has not been here physically in

2515
02:02:12,000 --> 02:02:14,080
how many months? He's been online. He's

2516
02:02:14,080 --> 02:02:15,920
been on Zoom. This is the first time

2517
02:02:15,920 --> 02:02:18,960
I've seen him in forever.

2518
02:02:18,960 --> 02:02:24,000
Um there has been a lot a lot of mint

2519
02:02:24,000 --> 02:02:27,520
and bashing on the internet and that's

2520
02:02:27,520 --> 02:02:29,520
okay. That's you know that's everybody's

2521
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:32,239
hearing his speech.

2522
02:02:32,239 --> 02:02:36,239
Um but I have brought up to other

2523
02:02:36,239 --> 02:02:39,440
council members why he hasn't been here

2524
02:02:39,440 --> 02:02:42,639
physically because I remember last year

2525
02:02:42,639 --> 02:02:45,599
you guys all got upset cuz Liz missed

2526
02:02:45,599 --> 02:02:49,840
three meetings. Is this word

2527
02:02:49,840 --> 02:02:52,320
physically?

2528
02:02:52,320 --> 02:02:54,560
So just keep that in mind.

2529
02:02:54,560 --> 02:02:56,639
>> Thank you. Before we move on to public

2530
02:02:56,639 --> 02:02:59,920
comments also can make a motion meeting.

2531
02:02:59,920 --> 02:03:02,000
>> I was ready. I'd like to make a motion

2532
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:03,840
to extend the meeting to no later than

2533
02:03:03,840 --> 02:03:05,280
9:15 p.m.

2534
02:03:05,280 --> 02:03:07,440
>> Seconded

2535
02:03:07,440 --> 02:03:10,239
by council person. All in favor say I.

2536
02:03:10,239 --> 02:03:17,189
Hi

2537
02:03:17,199 --> 02:03:18,880
to speak.

2538
02:03:18,880 --> 02:03:22,800
So I have to say that this is the

2539
02:03:22,800 --> 02:03:27,510
beginning people

2540
02:03:27,520 --> 02:03:29,040
and I thought oh my gosh I should have

2541
02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:31,280
talked in the beginning

2542
02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:34,080
realiz

2543
02:03:34,080 --> 02:03:38,950
because it didn't make a difference.

2544
02:03:38,960 --> 02:03:42,320
So I I've lived here my whole life. I

2545
02:03:42,320 --> 02:03:44,400
just recently been involved with city

2546
02:03:44,400 --> 02:03:47,360
council and I found out there were 12 of

2547
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:52,239
you. But I do know one thing life is my

2548
02:03:52,239 --> 02:03:55,119
neighbor. He's on the city council. Wait

2549
02:03:55,119 --> 02:03:57,760
signs. He didn't come in my door. I

2550
02:03:57,760 --> 02:04:00,159
don't even know what he stands for. It's

2551
02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:03,119
because he ran out of the hopes

2552
02:04:03,119 --> 02:04:05,119
and I only had one choice. I'll knock

2553
02:04:05,119 --> 02:04:09,199
out. Don't vote for him. it matter. So

2554
02:04:09,199 --> 02:04:10,960
don't

2555
02:04:10,960 --> 02:04:13,760
I feel that happens a lot in our state.

2556
02:04:13,760 --> 02:04:16,400
I feel there's too many there's not

2557
02:04:16,400 --> 02:04:18,560
enough there's too many positions for

2558
02:04:18,560 --> 02:04:21,199
people

2559
02:04:21,199 --> 02:04:25,760
and what I heard here tonight was my

2560
02:04:25,760 --> 02:04:27,760
mind my voice

2561
02:04:27,760 --> 02:04:33,189
my

2562
02:04:33,199 --> 02:04:35,920
people voted you

2563
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:37,360
maybe maybe they didn't vote for you but

2564
02:04:37,360 --> 02:04:39,520
you still

2565
02:04:39,520 --> 02:04:41,679
is it takes away the choice of your

2566
02:04:41,679 --> 02:04:44,950
constituents

2567
02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:46,960
because we don't we don't have any

2568
02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:48,560
competition.

2569
02:04:48,560 --> 02:04:51,040
They don't care platforms. We don't have

2570
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:53,920
to make a decision. Like it just happens

2571
02:04:53,920 --> 02:04:58,480
a lot here. And um and I for me that was

2572
02:04:58,480 --> 02:05:02,159
the main point having fewer people. So

2573
02:05:02,159 --> 02:05:04,560
then I had no choice.

2574
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:06,480
That's

2575
02:05:06,480 --> 02:05:09,520
so maybe next time it comes to discuss

2576
02:05:09,520 --> 02:05:12,550
again.

2577
02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:15,440
Maybe we'll think about giving the

2578
02:05:15,440 --> 02:05:19,840
people choice to hear the people

2579
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:23,589
competition.

2580
02:05:23,599 --> 02:05:26,480
See some things besides the name and the

2581
02:05:26,480 --> 02:05:31,669
heart seat that we know nothing about.

2582
02:05:31,679 --> 02:05:39,990
Thank you.

2583
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:42,880
War. Some of you may know me. Like,

2584
02:05:42,880 --> 02:05:44,639
first of all, thank Mr. Bradley for

2585
02:05:44,639 --> 02:05:47,119
meeting with me the other day. He was my

2586
02:05:47,119 --> 02:05:50,480
opponent that we saw eye on some of the

2587
02:05:50,480 --> 02:05:55,119
things in our board. And

2588
02:05:55,119 --> 02:05:58,560
I think you guys really need to know

2589
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:00,639
some of this stuff because some of you

2590
02:06:00,639 --> 02:06:03,520
are new to the council and got voted in

2591
02:06:03,520 --> 02:06:08,159
before you. And talking with Mr. Rajie,

2592
02:06:08,159 --> 02:06:10,000
he didn't know that there's a roundabout

2593
02:06:10,000 --> 02:06:13,760
proposed and it's been on in the works

2594
02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:18,960
for a long time and it is part of the

2595
02:06:18,960 --> 02:06:20,560
overpass

2596
02:06:20,560 --> 02:06:22,880
to go over the trains.

2597
02:06:22,880 --> 02:06:25,599
Mr. Rajic also didn't know that our

2598
02:06:25,599 --> 02:06:29,440
award is a there's a small section out

2599
02:06:29,440 --> 02:06:32,480
at Aberdine Lake.

2600
02:06:32,480 --> 02:06:36,639
I think that when people are brought in

2601
02:06:36,639 --> 02:06:40,000
after winning, they need to be updated

2602
02:06:40,000 --> 02:06:44,079
on a lot of this stuff, not just thrown

2603
02:06:44,079 --> 02:06:46,079
in willy-nilly,

2604
02:06:46,079 --> 02:06:50,159
because it's hurting us, the people.

2605
02:06:50,159 --> 02:06:53,679
And you guys, I've been coming to

2606
02:06:53,679 --> 02:06:57,760
meetings, you are my fifth council,

2607
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:00,159
and you guys have always backstabbed

2608
02:07:00,159 --> 02:07:03,440
each other. I've seen small groups

2609
02:07:03,440 --> 02:07:06,719
ousted people that was on the council

2610
02:07:06,719 --> 02:07:08,719
for years

2611
02:07:08,719 --> 02:07:11,760
and then they got ousted because they

2612
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:13,040
didn't want them there. They didn't vote

2613
02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:15,840
their way. You guys need to work

2614
02:07:15,840 --> 02:07:19,360
together to help us. I don't know if

2615
02:07:19,360 --> 02:07:23,599
going down in size is going to help, but

2616
02:07:23,599 --> 02:07:26,320
this council I saw it tonight. I haven't

2617
02:07:26,320 --> 02:07:28,960
been here for a while, but you guys are

2618
02:07:28,960 --> 02:07:31,760
doing a little bit better than the last

2619
02:07:31,760 --> 02:07:35,280
counc. I'll give you that. Thank you.

2620
02:07:35,280 --> 02:07:37,119
>> Thank you.

2621
02:07:37,119 --> 02:07:41,430
>> Any other public comments?

2622
02:07:41,440 --> 02:07:43,280
Close public comments. Is there anything

2623
02:07:43,280 --> 02:07:48,870
for the good?

2624
02:07:48,880 --> 02:07:51,679
Want to shout out our public works team?

2625
02:07:51,679 --> 02:07:53,840
I was doing some work around my

2626
02:07:53,840 --> 02:07:55,840
property. called a couple pretty dig

2627
02:07:55,840 --> 02:07:58,560
guys who were out there. They missed the

2628
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:00,800
water by about 18 in, which I think is

2629
02:08:00,800 --> 02:08:03,119
in the margin of error, but nonetheless,

2630
02:08:03,119 --> 02:08:05,520
I I nicked the line and it was an old

2631
02:08:05,520 --> 02:08:07,520
steel pipe and the public works team,

2632
02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:09,840
the the truck was out there seriously

2633
02:08:09,840 --> 02:08:12,480
within 25 minutes and were ended up

2634
02:08:12,480 --> 02:08:13,840
being a little bit more involved than I

2635
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:15,040
think they thought, but they were there

2636
02:08:15,040 --> 02:08:16,480
and at least patched the leak and now

2637
02:08:16,480 --> 02:08:18,480
everything's fixed and I have a new well

2638
02:08:18,480 --> 02:08:20,239
the city has new water line that goes to

2639
02:08:20,239 --> 02:08:21,920
my neighborhood. So, just want to shout

2640
02:08:21,920 --> 02:08:23,760
them out because they were great in

2641
02:08:23,760 --> 02:08:26,079
professional and figured they need to

2642
02:08:26,079 --> 02:08:28,320
shout out.

2643
02:08:28,320 --> 02:08:33,920
>> I got one out recently. Um, I reported a

2644
02:08:33,920 --> 02:08:39,280
Sorry. Um, I reported a few weeks back.

2645
02:08:39,280 --> 02:08:45,350
They repaired it.

2646
02:08:45,360 --> 02:08:50,790
Okay.

2647
02:08:50,800 --> 02:08:53,440
All right. Um, so I won't be here for

2648
02:08:53,440 --> 02:08:55,760
August, but I want to challenge all you

2649
02:08:55,760 --> 02:08:58,159
guys during that break to go around and

2650
02:08:58,159 --> 02:09:00,800
talk to at least 15 people in your board

2651
02:09:00,800 --> 02:09:03,280
and come back to the next meeting and

2652
02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:05,599
share what they had to say. I'll join in

2653
02:09:05,599 --> 02:09:07,760
on Zoom and I'll maybe say something,

2654
02:09:07,760 --> 02:09:10,400
but I want to hear what your people in

2655
02:09:10,400 --> 02:09:12,800
your board struggle with, how we can

2656
02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:14,480
help them. So that's kind of a challenge

2657
02:09:14,480 --> 02:09:16,239
I have for you guys during this August

2658
02:09:16,239 --> 02:09:18,880
break.

2659
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:23,910
any other

2660
02:09:23,920 --> 02:09:26,560
um

2661
02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:29,440
was looking

2662
02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:38,790
in Q.

2663
02:09:38,800 --> 02:09:40,560
necessarily

2664
02:09:40,560 --> 02:09:44,310
don't really need to be

2665
02:09:44,320 --> 02:09:49,430
going outside and breathing air.

2666
02:09:49,440 --> 02:09:53,119
I personally use a filter vent. I take a

2667
02:09:53,119 --> 02:09:56,159
square fan and put on a square duct

2668
02:09:56,159 --> 02:10:00,000
filter that is rated to reduce

2669
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:04,639
and such air that way

2670
02:10:04,639 --> 02:10:11,669
out the air in the house.

2671
02:10:11,679 --> 02:10:14,239
Good advice.

2672
02:10:14,239 --> 02:10:19,109
I have one little

2673
02:10:19,119 --> 02:10:22,639
saw this. It's like a map of the city.

2674
02:10:22,639 --> 02:10:26,079
It's put on by a company that um they

2675
02:10:26,079 --> 02:10:29,920
sell the advertising, but the map has

2676
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:33,360
all the highlights that um you'd want to

2677
02:10:33,360 --> 02:10:36,079
go to if you're visiting the city. Ocean

2678
02:10:36,079 --> 02:10:38,800
Shores does something like this. And um

2679
02:10:38,800 --> 02:10:40,480
if it's all right with you guys, I'd

2680
02:10:40,480 --> 02:10:43,199
like to pass this company if they'd come

2681
02:10:43,199 --> 02:10:46,400
and look at our town. And if they'd be

2682
02:10:46,400 --> 02:10:49,760
will it doesn't cost the city anything.

2683
02:10:49,760 --> 02:10:52,079
It's just uh they'll create a map

2684
02:10:52,079 --> 02:10:54,960
that'll have our trails and our bike

2685
02:10:54,960 --> 02:10:57,440
trails and anything our highlighted

2686
02:10:57,440 --> 02:10:58,960
things that we want tourists to be able

2687
02:10:58,960 --> 02:11:01,520
to

2688
02:11:01,520 --> 02:11:03,360
>> they go to the businesses and sell

2689
02:11:03,360 --> 02:11:05,280
advertisements. Then then we have

2690
02:11:05,280 --> 02:11:07,199
something we can give to all of our

2691
02:11:07,199 --> 02:11:09,280
businesses downtown so that they can

2692
02:11:09,280 --> 02:11:11,760
stay here when a tourist asks them

2693
02:11:11,760 --> 02:11:15,669
what's what to do.

2694
02:11:15,679 --> 02:11:18,079
uh as someone who owned a business that

2695
02:11:18,079 --> 02:11:19,760
operated in city of Evergreen that did

2696
02:11:19,760 --> 02:11:21,760
not have a storefront to continue to

2697
02:11:21,760 --> 02:11:24,480
rely on advertising such as a map like

2698
02:11:24,480 --> 02:11:27,520
that. If we pursue this and we go

2699
02:11:27,520 --> 02:11:29,760
forward, I mean this company is then

2700
02:11:29,760 --> 02:11:31,760
contacting businesses in our city asking

2701
02:11:31,760 --> 02:11:34,400
them for advertising space. I cannot

2702
02:11:34,400 --> 02:11:36,320
stress enough the importance behind a

2703
02:11:36,320 --> 02:11:39,360
press release because there are several

2704
02:11:39,360 --> 02:11:42,079
companies like that that are scams and

2705
02:11:42,079 --> 02:11:43,599
then our small business owners are

2706
02:11:43,599 --> 02:11:46,400
paying anywhere from $200 to $600 for an

2707
02:11:46,400 --> 02:11:49,040
advertisement that is then not purchased

2708
02:11:49,040 --> 02:11:51,760
by the municipality or whichever

2709
02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:54,079
business those are to be displayed at.

2710
02:11:54,079 --> 02:11:56,239
So if you do need to do this, please

2711
02:11:56,239 --> 02:11:58,639
consider a press release so that we are

2712
02:11:58,639 --> 02:12:00,079
helping our small businesses and

2713
02:12:00,079 --> 02:12:02,719
operating. Yeah, we we did something

2714
02:12:02,719 --> 02:12:04,560
like this with the bands that are out

2715
02:12:04,560 --> 02:12:07,040
right now throughout the city and that

2716
02:12:07,040 --> 02:12:10,960
company um asked me to do a video so

2717
02:12:10,960 --> 02:12:12,800
that they could send and use it as a

2718
02:12:12,800 --> 02:12:15,119
selling tool. So that showed that we

2719
02:12:15,119 --> 02:12:18,079
were legitimately behind it. So yeah, I

2720
02:12:18,079 --> 02:12:22,550
think a press release is

2721
02:12:22,560 --> 02:12:28,709
» very different from like

2722
02:12:28,719 --> 02:12:32,550
different.

2723
02:12:32,560 --> 02:12:35,280
» Yeah, this this would have five trails

2724
02:12:35,280 --> 02:12:38,709
our lake

2725
02:12:38,719 --> 02:12:41,360
walking trails or parks. That's our

2726
02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:44,000
average doesn't do any of that. They

2727
02:12:44,000 --> 02:12:51,830
just show hard work which is important.

2728
02:12:51,840 --> 02:12:57,350
» Given the times that we're now

2729
02:12:57,360 --> 02:12:59,440
» Yes, we would.

2730
02:12:59,440 --> 02:13:00,159
>> Second.

2731
02:13:00,159 --> 02:13:02,480
>> I didn't There are legal requirements.

2732
02:13:02,480 --> 02:13:03,520
Please let me back up.

2733
02:13:03,520 --> 02:13:05,199
>> Okay. I'd like to make a motion for us

2734
02:13:05,199 --> 02:13:07,280
to go into our executive session

2735
02:13:07,280 --> 02:13:10,480
according to RCW4230.110

2736
02:13:10,480 --> 02:13:12,400
for consideration of second selection or

2737
02:13:12,400 --> 02:13:15,679
application of grant safe purchase

2738
02:13:15,679 --> 02:13:18,320
and likelihood that disclosure within

2739
02:13:18,320 --> 02:13:20,480
price for no more than 30 minutes with

2740
02:13:20,480 --> 02:13:23,599
no action expected after the session.

2741
02:13:23,599 --> 02:13:24,960
>> Second.

2742
02:13:24,960 --> 02:13:30,229
>> All in favor say I. Excuse

2743
02:13:30,239 --> 02:13:32,400
me.

2744
02:13:32,400 --> 02:14:02,470
I need to go through

2745
02:14:02,480 --> 02:14:22,709
probably

2746
02:14:22,719 --> 02:14:38,310
Yes, ma'am.

2747
02:14:38,320 --> 02:14:56,950
Or is that

2748
02:14:56,960 --> 02:15:08,629
stole mine? I stole my

2749
02:15:08,639 --> 02:15:15,109
English.

2750
02:15:15,119 --> 02:15:40,390
We have

2751
02:15:40,400 --> 02:16:01,030
does.

2752
02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:16,149
So I still

2753
02:16:16,159 --> 02:16:18,480
need a like recommendation or reference

2754
02:16:18,480 --> 02:16:32,389
or anything.

2755
02:16:32,399 --> 02:16:37,110
down there.

2756
02:16:37,120 --> 02:16:40,120
Nice.