[0:07] Okay, everybody.
[0:12] July 27th, 2026 at 6:30 exactly.
[0:21] Finance.
[0:25] Randy here.
[0:28] Adrian here.
[0:32] >> Hover
[0:32] >> here. Moingham
[0:34] >> here.
[0:35] >> Nipper
[0:35] >> here. Fredo
[0:37] >> here.
[0:40] >> Shaw
[0:40] >> here.
[0:41] >> Swore
[0:42] >> here. Taylor
[0:43] >> here.
[0:44] >> Wilson
[0:45] >> here.
[0:46] >> Or
[0:46] >> here.
[0:48] I also like to know student rep Justin
[0:52] Jacobs is here today also.
[0:56] Okay. Um, if you'd like, we could stand
[0:58] for the pledge of allegiance. The flag
[0:59] is right over here.
[1:04] » I aliance to the flag of the United
[1:08] States of America and to the republic
[1:11] for which it stands, one nation under
[1:15] God, indivisible, with liberty and
[1:17] justice for all.
[1:28] I'll also announce that our our other
[1:30] student represent
[1:41] agenda.
[1:42] >> Seconded
[1:44] by council person with this discussion.
[1:48] All in favor say I. I
[1:53] >> pass. Thank you.
[1:55] Go right into public comments. Please
[1:58] leave your comments to three minutes and
[2:01] start off with your name and your board
[2:03] or your city.
[2:05] Anybody like to do a public comment?
[2:14] Good evening, city council. Looks like
[2:16] this is a really nice basis. Familiar
[2:18] faces and new ones. My name is Katie
[2:21] Catchman and I'm from Ward 3 and I
[2:25] served on this council with some of you
[2:27] um from 2020 to 2024 and I want to speak
[2:32] in support of reducing the council from
[2:36] 12 seats to six. Like you
[2:42] and I can tell you from experience that
[2:45] more seats did not mean better
[2:47] decisions. It meant longer meetings,
[2:50] group think, and votes that took more
[2:52] coordination to reach the same outcome.
[2:55] A similar group could have reached
[2:56] faster and more informed. And here's the
[3:00] part I saw first hand. This council is
[3:02] part-time. You're putting in evenings
[3:04] after your regular jobs, meeting only a
[3:06] few times a month for a salary that
[3:09] doesn't pay many bills. A council that
[3:11] size with that little dedicated time and
[3:14] no personal staff does not use its extra
[3:17] seats for deeper policy review. It uses
[3:20] them for longer debate on the same
[3:21] questions. 12 people trying to find
[3:24] agreement on a volunteer schedule is
[3:26] slower. Unfortunately, not more
[3:28] thorough. There's also real risk that
[3:30] comes with a body this size. It's large
[3:32] enough to split into competing factions,
[3:35] but way too underresourced to um tax to
[3:40] manage that the way bigger cities do
[3:42] with real committee structures and staff
[3:44] support. I watch coalitions form and
[3:47] shift on issues that have nothing to do
[3:49] with the merits simply because with 12
[3:52] people, there's more room for that kind
[3:54] of maneuvering. Six member council with
[3:56] a clear simple majority threshold would
[3:58] still represent every ward fairly and
[4:01] allow council candidates to show their
[4:02] wards that they're the best candidate
[4:04] when they're running for office.
[4:06] Reducing our council to six seats would
[4:08] not reduce representation. It would char
[4:11] members each carrying
[4:15] hold on.
[4:18] So, council, I just want to end by
[4:20] saying thanks for all you do and I know
[4:23] that you truly care about our city and
[4:25] want to see it succeed. So, I hope that
[4:26] you'll support bringing this to the
[4:28] voters and letting the voters decide.
[4:31] >> Thank you.
[4:41] My name is Patrick Paul. I'm
[4:45] I live in W 4. I've been there for 35
[4:48] years, but I'm here also to encourage
[4:51] you to reduce the size of your city
[4:54] council. I went to both of the community
[4:56] forums that we hosted and thank you all
[4:59] for those that participated. That was
[5:01] very successful and we talked about it
[5:03] there and the majority of the people
[5:05] that presented there were very much in
[5:08] favor or at least leaning towards doing
[5:10] that.
[5:12] Like like Kitty says, there's a lot of
[5:14] research on effective work groups and
[5:18] much of the Eric says, an effective work
[5:21] group is between five and eight people
[5:23] for all the reasons that Katie mentioned
[5:26] and I won't repeat those and there's
[5:27] others. The research is very clear that
[5:30] smaller work groups are far more
[5:33] effective. So I'm clear to you to
[5:35] proceed with uh considering that and
[5:38] hopefully you'll find in your favor city
[5:40] council size. Thank you very much. Thank
[5:43] you.
[5:48] » Third board. And I agree with these two.
[5:52] Um a couple years back, Shauna and I
[5:55] were um helping a lady that was running
[5:58] for a Senate up in Olympia. And I my job
[6:03] was to go to all the council meetings
[6:06] all over the state west coast is what
[6:10] our district was. So from here to Port
[6:13] Angeles to Long View and all that. They
[6:16] all had six people on their council. We
[6:19] have 12 and up until now none of you got
[6:23] along. It was broken in half. Some
[6:26] people couldn't think for themselves and
[6:28] had to have somebody else think for
[6:30] them. And having somebody, you know,
[6:33] having six where there's not all this
[6:36] bickering and backstabbing with you
[6:37] guys, I think would be a lot better to
[6:40] have six.
[6:44] >> Thank you.
[6:45] The other public comment
[6:49] seems I'll close the public comment
[6:51] period and we'll go on to our consent
[6:53] agenda. Council President
[6:58] >> Motion to approve tonight's consent
[6:59] agenda which includes minutes from the
[7:01] July 8th meeting.
[7:04] >> Second
[7:07] by council person. Is there any
[7:08] discussion?
[7:12] » All in favor? I
[7:18] » mayor speak
[7:20] a long here but I'll try
[7:24] first off
[7:27] got a letter here from the department of
[7:29] ecology and I'd just like to read it to
[7:32] I'll try to be quick honorable mayor for
[7:37] city of Aberdine congratulations the
[7:39] Aberdine wastewater treatment plant is
[7:42] receiving in the 2025 wastewater
[7:44] treatment plant outstanding performance
[7:46] award. Approximately 300 wastewater
[7:49] treatment plants statewide. Yours was
[7:51] among the top wastewater treatment plant
[7:53] operations. The 2025 ecology evaluates
[7:57] specific domestic wastewater treatment
[8:00] plant information for individual permit
[8:03] compliance. Your plant is one of the top
[8:05] performers for regularly meeting these
[8:07] urban criteria, including monitoring and
[8:11] data reporting. Ecology acknowledges the
[8:14] exceptional level of effort required to
[8:16] protect water quality and provide this
[8:19] quick service to your community.
[8:22] dedicated and proficient operators are essential
[8:28] to successful plant operations and to
[8:31] protecting the health of Washington's
[8:33] waters. Thank you uh for your continued
[8:37] excellent commitment that's from John
[8:42] Kenny
[8:43] water quality program manager for the
[8:46] state of Washington. I'd like to thank
[8:48] this group for what a wonderful job
[8:51] you're doing. Congratulations.
[9:06] Dear Mrs. Ruth Clemen,
[9:10] the world that we live in is a loud and
[9:12] boisterous place. I recognize that the
[9:14] city of Aberine has received its fair
[9:16] share of critical feedback from
[9:18] stakeholders involved with homelessness
[9:22] uh challenges in the downtown business
[9:24] area. The hard work and efforts by the
[9:26] Aberine Police Department to address
[9:28] these issues to address these issues
[9:30] however do not go unnoticed. I am I am a
[9:35] partner with a law firm Ingrams Alaska
[9:38] Goodwills LLP. Our office is located a
[9:41] block behind city hall on First Street
[9:44] and Kitty Corner from the site of our
[9:47] city's infamous homeless encampment
[9:49] before and after implementation of this
[9:52] camp. We enjoyed many days at night with
[9:54] those dedicating in our lawns, urinating
[9:57] in our bushes,
[9:59] and lighting up their crack in the
[10:02] shadows of our office. No more. We've
[10:05] seen clear, visible, and measurable
[10:07] results. The area around our office and
[10:10] surrounding streets continue to appear
[10:12] safe, clean, and welcoming. Yes, more
[10:15] can be done, but the conditions have
[10:18] improved. Public spaces are enhanced.
[10:20] community concerns do not go unnoticed.
[10:23] These efforts reflect a meaningful
[10:25] commitment to both the public welfare
[10:27] and economic stability of Chief Dale
[10:30] Green and his team. I get it.
[10:32] Homelessness is a complex and sensitive
[10:35] issue that requires a thoughtful balance
[10:37] of compassion, accountability, and
[10:40] collaboration. is encouraging to see the
[10:42] city taking proactive steps towards
[10:45] solutions that support individuals in
[10:48] need while also safeguarding the
[10:49] integrity of our business community.
[10:52] Please extend my sincerest appreciations
[10:55] to Chief Dale Dream, the entire police
[10:57] department, staff and partners involved.
[11:01] Sometimes it takes just a moment like
[11:04] this to acknowledge all the hard work
[11:06] around us and admit that we live and
[11:08] work in a pretty great area. I look
[11:11] forward to seeing continuous progress
[11:13] and appreciate your time and
[11:15] consideration
[11:17] very
[11:20] last going through it. Right. Thank you
[11:23] chief. We appreciate you and thank you
[11:25] Ruth for your hard work.
[11:31] And the rest of this is oh here let's
[11:33] just move on to these. So uh so I have
[11:36] these uh three wonderful little council
[11:40] people that have that have gone out of
[11:42] their way and have have gotten their
[11:45] leadership certificates and uh council
[11:48] president swore got her advanced
[11:50] leadership certificate and they get
[11:52] these by achieving 30 points uh with the
[11:56] association of Washington cities. they
[11:58] have to uh look at videos or go to
[12:02] seminars. there's an assortment of
[12:04] things they could do and then one of
[12:05] them was also to go to
[12:08] their uh the meeting we just had at
[12:11] Spokane their state state meeting and it
[12:13] was a good meeting and so that pushed
[12:17] some of these representatives
[12:19] so they got their certificates and I
[12:21] just wanted to give them their certific
[12:24] What's that?
[12:26] >> Oh, president.
[12:57] the real good commitment of these
[13:00] leaders that they for taking the time to
[13:02] educate themselves and that's very much
[13:04] appreciated.
[13:07] Um, okay with a lot of this that I have
[13:11] something here. Basically, it's just a
[13:13] list of all the committees and things
[13:15] that I did last since the last meeting.
[13:20] The um our radio broadcast that Ruth and
[13:23] I do in the mornings after council
[13:25] meeting, day after went wonderful. It's
[13:29] nice that um since we've been doing the
[13:32] rere since we've been doing the ry has
[13:35] gotten nicer and some of the haters
[13:37] maybe are sleeping in late so they don't
[13:42] I'm sure administrative plans have made
[13:45] all the difference in the world coming
[13:47] and join
[13:49] um let's see I attended the Grace Harbor
[13:53] well I I'm the chairperson for the Grace
[13:55] Harbor Transit Authority they just did
[13:58] to
[14:00] logo that's going to be on the side. And
[14:02] I unfortunately didn't give the young
[14:05] lady's name, but it was there high
[14:08] school student who submitted the artwork
[14:10] and was selected as this event this
[14:13] year. It'll be a 250 250th anniversary
[14:16] logo
[14:18] hardware bus. And I just want you to
[14:20] know that when I was a kid in high
[14:22] school, I entered the same thing and I
[14:28] Let's see.
[14:31] So, uh, downtown right now there is
[14:34] aation
[14:36] right kind of in front of 118, uh, the
[14:40] build build or the maybe someday museum
[14:43] building downtown that the city owns. I
[14:46] plugged in one of our new Christmas
[14:48] decorations down there so people could
[14:50] get just an idea of what it's going to
[14:52] look like. So, those will be going up. I
[14:55] met this also our city electrician and we're figuring
[15:01] out the locations and getting
[15:02] electricity. So, we'll have some really
[15:04] beautiful new decorations just for
[15:06] Christmas. Hopefully, uh we'll have some
[15:09] new shops downtown and speaking of new
[15:11] shops downtown. Um I also attended the
[15:15] ribbon cutting for Dedris downtown
[15:18] Deli. I love their location over in
[15:21] Oakland, but I'm so much happier with
[15:22] them here in Aberine. And I think uh if
[15:25] you haven't been there, they have
[15:27] wonderful food. They're open
[15:30] Tuesday to Friday. Have a chance. It's
[15:32] free kind of limited hours, but their
[15:34] food is really worth it.
[15:38] Let's see. I also attended a award
[15:41] ceremony for business of the quarter
[15:43] from Greater Grace Harbor Incorporated
[15:45] and their lawyer multimedia.
[15:51] That young man has spent so much energy
[15:54] showing our city in such a positive
[15:56] light and he's really welld deserving of
[15:58] that. His wife Amy Emma also are
[16:01] celebrating their 40th anniversary so
[16:03] you see him congratulated.
[16:06] Then on the 17th uh we had our first
[16:10] museum transition committee meeting and
[16:12] I thought that went really well. I was
[16:14] really encouraged to see that the group
[16:17] of people that we have on that committee
[16:20] are all excited and willing to work
[16:22] together and I think I'm going to see
[16:25] good things coming from that that group
[16:27] in future.
[16:31] Okay, that's it. Sweet guys,
[16:34] for the council members, I have seven of
[16:36] these and it's point of order
[16:41] if you want it.
[16:43] They're sticking.
[16:45] Okay, that's the end of my report. Um,
[16:48] so you have
[16:51] council reports now and I guess just the
[16:54] student. Yes, go. I think this is his
[16:57] last name. Correct. Yeah. All right.
[16:59] Just a few things tonight. Um, the free
[17:02] summer lunches are still going on. You
[17:04] can find the dates and times on the
[17:06] Aberine School District Facebook or
[17:08] website. Also, the I high school
[17:10] football went to football camp about two
[17:12] weeks ago in Waci. And currently the
[17:14] cheer team is at cheer camp in Tacoma.
[17:17] Last night they won a banana which only
[17:20] one team wins a banana for being like
[17:22] the most spirited and showing great
[17:24] leadership. Um also later tonight you'll
[17:27] be voting on the reading um regarding
[17:31] city council. I'll share more about
[17:33] that. Um also this is my last council
[17:35] meeting. I want to thank you all for
[17:37] listening to my ideas figuring out how
[17:39] we can bring the youth closer. I also
[17:41] want to thank the citizens of Aberdine.
[17:43] I've enjoyed talking to you to learn
[17:45] about the youth struggles and serving as
[17:47] your representative on Aberine City
[17:49] Council. And some of you may ask what's
[17:51] going on next with me and in two weeks I
[17:53] will be moving to Phoenix, Arizona. Um
[17:57] so yeah, thank you.
[17:59] >> Thank you
[18:02] Council.
[18:08] Um so
[18:10] um on Wednesday I actually had two
[18:13] committee meetings. Uh noon the ethics
[18:16] committee met for the first time. Um and
[18:19] Glender Misky and Lindsay Thur here but
[18:23] um so we met on Wednesday and we'll have
[18:27] something to bring before you later on.
[18:30] Um this is brand new committee so we're
[18:32] still kind of learning the ropes too. So
[18:35] go easy on us. Um and then later after
[18:39] uh in the evening um Justin Jacobs,
[18:42] Michelle Nipper and I met and Deb Wilson
[18:46] and Dev Hodkin had chimed in by email
[18:49] and we went over all of the information
[18:53] that I brought back from Associated
[18:54] Washington City's office on setting up a
[18:57] youth uh council and we created uh the
[19:01] ordinance and changes that you will see
[19:04] later on in the Those we based off of um
[19:09] the city of Ridgefield's youth
[19:10] commission and then made our own changes
[19:13] for things like the size of that
[19:15] council. Um it was important to a few of
[19:18] us that we let the council themselves
[19:21] choose their topic rather than us
[19:22] assigning them one. So we made that
[19:24] change and then also having their
[19:27] president and vice president become our
[19:29] representatives on council. So that's
[19:31] what I was up to this week.
[19:35] Thank you. Any other council reports
[19:43] the
[19:45] harbor council?
[20:01] Uh unfortunately I was not able to
[20:03] attend the three meetings I had last
[20:05] week uh due to unemployment and need to
[20:07] assist my family but I am looking
[20:10] forward to the ENAP meetings this
[20:12] upcoming Monday. We'll be taking a tour
[20:14] around to discuss some potential
[20:16] opportunities. Also coming up next week
[20:19] is the grand opening for the B project
[20:21] down the court. Uh this event is
[20:23] expected to have nearly 600 attendees
[20:26] from all over the world and I'm looking
[20:28] forward to getting a new tour or a tour
[20:29] of the new facility as
[20:34] certificate leadership. I completed
[20:37] those requirements after attending the
[20:39] last conference in March for council
[20:42] leaders and I'm just glad that they were
[20:44] able to slow down long enough to
[20:46] recognize the hard work of myself and of
[20:49] the council members here today. I also
[20:51] want to just take a moment to remind
[20:53] everyone to share the community survey
[20:56] with folks in your network so they can
[20:58] complete it. The more answers we get,
[21:01] the more data we have, the more we can
[21:03] do. Thank you.
[21:05] >> Thank you. Any other chance
[21:15] staff reported by
[21:18] >> Thank you, mayor.
[21:20] Um, one of the things that we've been
[21:22] working hard on is the uh alternative
[21:25] response project. Um, the that one of
[21:29] the things items on the agenda tonight
[21:31] is for approval of the $145,000
[21:34] that we received from AWC
[21:37] um so that we can continue work on this.
[21:39] And um we upped the date um the go live
[21:42] date. We were hoping to make uh to
[21:46] launch the program on October 1. Um our
[21:50] partner CAP is very motivated and they
[21:52] moved it up to September one. So um this
[21:55] will keep us busy through the
[21:56] legislative break. Um as mayor stated,
[21:59] we met for the first time. The museum
[22:01] transition committee met. Um I will be
[22:04] facilitating the conversation and the
[22:06] discussion and the building of the
[22:08] project plan. Um, so if you have any
[22:10] questions, please feel free to reach out
[22:12] to me. As Sydney stated, um, or excuse
[22:15] me, Council President Swore stated, um,
[22:17] the Port of Grace Harbor does have a,
[22:20] um, big event on July 31. I really
[22:23] encourage all of you to be there if you
[22:26] can to show support for this project.
[22:28] is also kind of working in
[22:30] tandem with the US Highway 12 project as
[22:32] well. So, it's a good time to get some
[22:34] facetime with other legislative um
[22:37] elected officials there as well and
[22:39] really get a um there on the
[22:41] international lens. Um and in August I
[22:46] will be at or the second week of August
[22:48] I will be um at a city the statewide
[22:52] city managers conference in Kenowick. So
[22:55] um I will not be available during that
[22:57] time but I think we're still on set on
[22:59] break during that time. So, um, do you
[23:02] have any questions?
[23:04] >> Thank you very much. Hope yes.
[23:06] >> Just going to ask for the T4 expansion,
[23:09] is that a registration only event?
[23:10] Correct.
[23:11] >> Yeah, we I if you want if you haven't
[23:14] registered, I can definitely check with
[23:15] Kayla to make it is more about food than
[23:18] anything else. But if you didn't
[23:20] register and would like to go, we can
[23:22] get Perfect. Okay, I'll let
[23:27] Thank you very much.
[23:31] now director's reports.
[23:35] » Thank you. I just really wanted to thank
[23:37] you and Justin for stepping up. Um it's
[23:40] been an incredible experience having
[23:42] both of you here and having the voice
[23:44] and I I know the school appreciates us.
[23:46] I really we appreciate it. We've learned
[23:48] a lot from you. So I just really want to
[23:50] say I appreciate having your involvement
[23:52] and it makes a difference when you speak
[23:54] up.
[23:56] >> Thank you. any other directors like
[24:00] >> um I'm going to give a quick uh second
[24:02] quarter budget update. Um I did provide
[24:05] a copy for each of you at your spots and
[24:07] I'm just give me a minute if I share my
[24:10] students.
[24:27] Okay, so now we're we're halfway through
[24:29] the year. So we're through the second
[24:31] quarter, so we should be pretty close to
[24:33] um 50% on the we're looking for for
[24:36] revenues and expenditures.
[24:39] We're actually a little bit higher than
[24:40] in both of those categories. So our
[24:42] revenue collections are coming in at 58%
[24:45] for the end of the second quarter. Um
[24:47] part of that is due to we receive a
[24:50] large portion of our property taxes come
[24:52] in in April and May. Uh so that has a
[24:55] little bit to do with that. We're also
[24:57] still up in sales time. So that's also
[24:59] contributing um in we had a the HCA jail
[25:05] re-entry grant was also a large
[25:07] intergovernmental that we received in
[25:09] the first part of the year. Uh we're
[25:11] also a little higher in our
[25:12] expenditures. We're at 54%.
[25:15] And some of this is due to the um delay
[25:19] of the EMS cost allocation change. So,
[25:22] we were still subsidizing EMS out of the
[25:24] general fund for that first quarter of
[25:26] the year. We were able to add $985,000
[25:31] to general fund reserves through the first two quarters of the
[25:34] year.
[25:39] We look at we'll look at some details.
[25:41] So, as I mentioned, um our property
[25:43] taxes is at 59% and that's because we
[25:47] received a word version of that already.
[25:49] sales taxes coming in at 55% and you can
[25:52] see the intergovernmental news about is
[25:56] 167%.
[26:01] I kind of already went through a few of
[26:02] these because I talked about them in the
[26:04] first slide. So this is basically just
[26:06] talking about the uh intergovernmental
[26:09] revenues why those are up and the
[26:11] property tax and then overall general
[26:13] fund is is up for revenues through the
[26:15] works two quarters of the year. uh we
[26:18] are up 12% over revenues from last year.
[26:23] And then on our general fund
[26:24] expenditures, this is just a breakdown
[26:27] of the different types of expenditures
[26:29] in the general fund through the first
[26:30] two quarters.
[26:33] And again, we're breaking down the grant
[26:36] categories in the general fund. And
[26:38] we're coming out at the 54% mark. Again
[26:42] pointing out fire is at 82% currently
[26:44] but that is due to again the delayed ENS
[26:50] increase. So the allocation was delayed
[26:52] as well. Our general fund reserves uh
[26:55] the target for reserves is 90 days and
[26:59] we are currently at 92 days in cash. Um
[27:01] through the first quarter we were not
[27:03] meeting that target. Uh we are meeting
[27:05] that target now mostly due to receipt of
[27:08] our property tax. Um and so we're
[27:11] currently at on net und designated
[27:13] reserves 5.4 million and that does not
[27:16] include any of the um armory money
[27:19] that's excluding all of that money.
[27:23] Uh so our DMS just breaking down our EMS
[27:26] special revenue fund
[27:29] and um again this one's kind of a little
[27:32] bit in the negative right now and that
[27:33] is again because of the delay of the EMS
[27:36] rate increase. So I do think we'll see
[27:38] that come into the positive for the
[27:40] source of um source or use of reserves
[27:44] as we move through the year. It has kind
[27:46] of caught up a little bit in this past
[27:47] quarter. So and then we just break down
[27:50] the utility funds. Um there's a lot of
[27:52] details on here so I I don't want to
[27:54] bore you too much.
[27:59] We're doing we're doing well on our
[28:01] utility funds. And then there's some
[28:04] additional um revenue that are also
[28:07] provided at the back of the packet that
[28:09] have lots of information. So please let
[28:12] me know if you have any questions about
[28:14] any of that and I can answer questions
[28:16] right now too if you have
[28:21] and we are working through um 2027
[28:24] budget right now. We have the worksheets
[28:27] out to the directors. So they're
[28:29] currently retire
[28:31] budget numbers. those will come back to
[28:33] us and then we'll be having a budget
[28:35] workshop with with all of you on
[28:36] September 2nd at so make sure you have
[28:39] that on your calendar and uh you know
[28:41] the last budget workshop was great so
[28:43] we're looking forward to another good
[28:44] one
[28:46] any questions
[28:51] thank you
[28:52] >> thank you
[28:54] any other
[28:59] move on to a presentation we have
[29:02] at Twin Harbor Water Keepers 6.
[29:06] >> Hi. Hi everybody. I'm I'm Lee Hurst. I'm
[29:09] your Twin Harbors water keeper.
[29:11] >> I was really glad to get to Aberdeen
[29:13] tonight because it was 30° cooler
[29:18] where I was
[29:21] um
[29:23] Katie gets that going
[29:27] is
[29:29] >> Yeah. your name again.
[29:31] >> Yes. Lee first.
[29:33] I'm the Twin Harbors Water Keepers.
[29:35] We're a nonprofit. We've worked in Grace
[29:38] Harbor and other wersheds on the
[29:40] southwest coast for the last nine years.
[29:43] And Twin Harbor is one of 300 water
[29:46] keepers all around the world that work
[29:49] for fishable, drinkable, swimmable
[29:51] water.
[29:52] So, in addition, I mostly work in the
[29:55] Shahalis wersheds and I live right on
[29:57] the Shahalis River.
[29:59] Um,
[30:01] yeah. So, I'm I'm thrilled that I was in
[30:04] invited to come tonight and I want to
[30:06] thank Nick Bird for inviting me. Is he
[30:10] here?
[30:10] >> He's online. Okay.
[30:12] >> He is online, so he he'll hear me. Thank
[30:14] you.
[30:15] >> Hi, Nick. Um, so we we have had six or
[30:21] three different two-year grants from the
[30:24] Department of Ecology called public
[30:26] participation grants. And the purpose of
[30:29] these grants is to educate the public
[30:30] about contaminating sites and to
[30:34] encourage people to participate in the
[30:37] cleanup process.
[30:39] Next
[30:41] um and so kind of the the backbone of
[30:45] our work is educating people about the
[30:48] model toxics control act and that's like
[30:51] the state version of super law. Um
[30:57] there's over 14,000 cleanup sites in
[31:01] Washington and about 141 are in Grace
[31:05] Harbor County. Um
[31:08] many of these are are the ones in Grace
[31:11] Harbor County and across the state like
[31:13] they can include small sites like gas
[31:16] stations or you know places where
[31:18] there's been spills. Um, but some of
[31:21] them are large, complicated sites that
[31:24] take years to clean up.
[31:28] And so the goal of Washington's
[31:30] Cleveland law is to protect people and
[31:33] the environment and the animals
[31:36] from contaminants in soil, groundwater,
[31:41] and water and air.
[31:45] Um, so what is a contaminated site? Um,
[31:50] you guys probably know because you have
[31:52] your share of them here, right? Um,
[31:56] you know, in in the nine years that I've
[31:59] been here, I've seen one complicated
[32:02] site get cleaned up, and that was the
[32:05] hungry whale in Westport. Oh, that that
[32:10] site. Are are you guys familiar with
[32:11] that? it it was a gas station
[32:14] convenience store and they had a
[32:16] gasoline tank leak and so it
[32:19] contaminated groundwater and surface
[32:21] water and so they went through the
[32:24] cleanup process which is outlined there
[32:28] um is a series of steps and and the the
[32:33] little orange bubble thing is where the
[32:36] public has an opportunity to comment.
[32:40] And so most cleanups in Washington are
[32:44] cleaned up using this process which
[32:46] includes
[32:48] um a remedial investigation where the
[32:50] site is characterized with samples and
[32:53] so so um I'm just going to mention the proposed wood power plant site. So
[33:00] that that is is not going through this
[33:04] formal cleanup process because the court
[33:06] and the proponents have elected to do
[33:09] the voluntary cleanup process there. And
[33:12] so they still have to achieve the same
[33:16] cleanup standards but but they don't but
[33:19] there's no opportunity for public
[33:21] comment.
[33:23] Whereas at Cosmos Specialty Fibers, you
[33:27] know, the state of Washington now is
[33:29] trying to get the owner
[33:32] to, you know, not only characterize and
[33:35] remove and
[33:37] sample and stabilize the site with all
[33:40] the massive amount of chemicals that are
[33:42] stored there. But they're also, you
[33:46] know, the next big step at that site
[33:48] once it's stabilized is to do a remedial
[33:51] investigation. And that that's a process
[33:53] with sampling that kind of characterizes
[33:57] and maps out where the pollution is
[33:59] because a lot of the stuff there we
[34:02] don't know because it's not fully
[34:04] characterized yet. And so sometimes this
[34:07] process takes 25 years and I lived in
[34:11] Bellingham for most of my life and there
[34:12] was a large um
[34:16] GP had a giant pole mill there that
[34:18] closed and it went through the cleanup
[34:21] process there and it took about 20
[34:23] years.
[34:27] Um and so you know the the reason that
[34:32] there are
[34:34] sever a half dozen or so large
[34:37] complicated sites in Aberine and Opium
[34:41] is that there was there were many
[34:43] facilities that operated before the
[34:45] Clean Water Act. And so then you know
[34:48] there was no law no framework of laws
[34:51] that prohibited discharges into water or
[34:55] soil or ground for seven. So now we have
[34:59] the Clean Water Act and it's illegal to
[35:03] discharge pollution without without a
[35:06] permit, a pollution discharge permit.
[35:12] And so one of my favorite things about
[35:14] this this work, which sounds kind of
[35:16] nuts, is there's a really fascinating
[35:21] um mapping tool
[35:24] that Department of Ecology manages and it's called what's in my
[35:29] neighborhood. And so if you use your
[35:33] search engine and pull up what's in my
[35:36] neighborhood, you get the whole state
[35:38] and you get all these little dots
[35:42] here and and so you can you can go to
[35:45] the dots and click on them and then
[35:49] you'll get the site that you're
[35:51] interested in.
[35:53] So um
[35:56] I think this is Cosmo.
[35:58] >> Yeah.
[35:59] So um so so you can click on that and
[36:02] then you'll get for Cosmo there's a lot
[36:04] of documents you know you'll get 20 that have been written over the years
[36:13] and and so you can look at you know
[36:15] court orders um
[36:18] past legal documents you know lots and
[36:23] lots of reading
[36:25] next
[36:27] um and and So there's a new tool that
[36:31] department of ecology was started to
[36:32] use. It's called the sharp tool and
[36:34] there's a hydrogeeologist staff at
[36:36] ecology who ranks these sites using this
[36:41] tool and it assesses the exposure and
[36:45] the severity of the risk. And so if you
[36:48] open up one of the little dots and look
[36:52] at the documents up in the corner,
[36:55] you'll or on on one of on on the site um
[37:01] one of the main documents there you'll
[37:04] see what the sharp rating is. Next
[37:09] um you know I am very concerned about
[37:13] the site.
[37:15] Um, I have trouble sleeping at night
[37:18] sometimes. I'm so worried about it. You
[37:20] know, I
[37:22] 800,000 gallons of toxic chemicals in
[37:26] leaking tanks
[37:28] right next to the river. And then
[37:30] there's another 1.7 million gallons of
[37:34] stuff in improperly stored tanks and
[37:38] buildings. And um, you know, I think
[37:42] this is an emergency.
[37:45] Thanks.
[37:48] Um, and I go walk on the trail.
[37:52] Does anybody here go walk on that trail?
[37:56] It's Yeah. You know, it's pretty
[37:58] interesting cuz you all know this.
[38:00] There's no power, there's no water,
[38:01] there's no security, there's no nothing
[38:03] out there. And people are stealing wires
[38:07] out there. And and uh and this is the
[38:11] wastewater.
[38:13] and it's supposed to be being airrated
[38:16] as part of the treatment and it's been a
[38:18] couple years since it's been airrated
[38:20] and I'm a paddler. I paddle by the
[38:24] outside of these things and the the the
[38:28] BMS of these walls are eroded
[38:32] and that that worries me. Next,
[38:37] um
[38:39] I don't know if I have time. Let's see.
[38:43] But this is so Department of Ecology
[38:47] issued a legal document last year, an
[38:51] agreed order demanding that the owner
[38:54] conduct a remedial investigation
[38:56] instead. And he has not done that.
[39:01] And and I can provide you guys this a
[39:06] copy of of this agreed order. It's it's
[39:09] really interesting because it shows, you
[39:11] know, the names of all the buildings and
[39:14] these are the primary treatment
[39:16] tank or systems and then here's where
[39:19] the outfall is. Um,
[39:23] and I I didn't know that until I I read
[39:27] the door.
[39:30] Thanks.
[39:33] And this is so and then more recently
[39:36] the EPA came in and did a an analysis
[39:40] and a site evaluation
[39:42] that's called the renewable site
[39:44] evaluation report and and they did a
[39:48] pretty pretty good characterization
[39:51] of where the tanks are and what's in
[39:54] them gaps.
[39:56] Um
[39:58] and and so it's that I spent a whole day
[40:01] reading 118 tanks long. It says there's
[40:07] in addition to the 800,000 gallons of
[40:10] toxic chemicals being stored there, are also 28 tanks containing over
[40:16] 1.7 million gallons of chemicals.
[40:20] Um and the digestive tanks may be over
[40:24] gallons of solid
[40:29] and the possibility of the whole thing.
[40:37] Um I'm sure you guys saw the article by
[40:40] Wayneier
[40:42] the thirst county commissioner. that
[40:45] goes into the daily world and he's a
[40:49] city of Aberine firefighter, right? And
[40:52] I had a meeting with him last week.
[40:56] Um,
[40:57] and as part of our grant, we're we're
[41:01] starting to organize a public meeting
[41:04] about this. And so if if you guys have
[41:08] ideas about who you would like to be on
[41:10] a panel of seven,
[41:13] I hope you'll let me know.
[41:15] next.
[41:17] Um
[41:19] yeah, so this is just the headline you
[41:21] see on the lines that I think this was
[41:23] about two years ago.
[41:26] Um and you know in addition to having
[41:30] public meetings and and producing um
[41:34] gasoline
[41:36] site maps that we put out and we have
[41:39] public meetings and we do presentations
[41:41] um we do tours and so the last couple
[41:46] tours that we've done from tours from
[41:49] the public right away like you know we
[41:51] can't go into hospitals or any of the
[41:53] sites but from blue smooth roads. I find
[41:58] it very concerning that the site is
[41:59] flooding. Even when there's a low tide
[42:03] and that's I think it's because of the
[42:07] but you know having a site that's
[42:09] contaminated
[42:11] flooding is not a good thing.
[42:16] Um and so back to this. So if you click
[42:19] on on one of the little dots on the
[42:22] what's on so this is another
[42:26] um
[42:28] this is what you get to see if you click
[42:31] on the what's in your neighborhood map
[42:34] or the interactive site.
[42:40] I spend a lot of time looking at this. I
[42:42] hope you at least take a look.
[42:47] Um, so if if you click on Cosmos V5
[42:52] Reserve, any one of the sites, you have
[42:54] a little button right here, subscribe to
[42:56] the site.
[42:57] So if you subscribe to the site, you
[43:00] know, they ask the for your email. You
[43:02] can put your email in there and then
[43:04] every time there's an update, you'll get
[43:06] it, which is kind of handy. Um, and then
[43:10] I want to show you it says the D
[43:15] download the site report.
[43:18] It'll give you that star rating
[43:22] about whether the rest of the site is
[43:25] high, medium or low.
[43:29] Yeah,
[43:32] you know, these are some of the other
[43:33] sites that are big complicated sites
[43:35] that are this is this one is in the
[43:38] cleanup process now.
[43:40] Um there's a remedial investigation
[43:43] that's underway
[43:45] and um there was a public meeting
[43:48] about a year ago
[43:51] and um I find it very interesting that
[43:56] during upsets of this plant there was an
[43:59] underground pipe that piped the effluent
[44:03] to Reedi Island
[44:05] to an unlined lagoon.
[44:09] um you know that's just the way things
[44:11] were done before the three moder but
[44:13] that that's not the way things were done
[44:15] now.
[44:16] Yes.
[44:18] Um this this is another site that I find
[44:21] very concerning because
[44:24] nothing has happened here in a really
[44:26] long time
[44:28] and I think we need to to
[44:34] let department of ecology know that we
[44:37] are concerned about these sites and try
[44:41] to push for more cleanup
[44:44] more and faster cleanup. I mean here
[44:47] they sand blasted boats
[44:50] for a long time before the clean water
[44:52] act was which is was common but all the particles zinc copper and things
[45:00] like that that are used in boat paint
[45:02] are in the center there
[45:05] next
[45:07] and then there's the warehouse or sill
[45:09] aine you know this is also undergoing a
[45:11] cleanup process but it's proceeding at a
[45:14] very slow
[45:24] So, um, I had a really good experience
[45:27] with your pollution prevention or your
[45:30] pollution hotline. I was walking by the
[45:33] Avenue by the lock pavilions during a
[45:36] very low tide about 10 days ago and I
[45:39] looked down in is it Joe Creek?
[45:44] Detroit that's right by the Avenue
[45:47] » and the tide was like a minus three foot
[45:51] tide. I looked down and there's a derel
[45:53] vessel in the bottom of the of the creek
[45:57] and so we called
[45:59] >> your guys's hotline and you came the
[46:03] next day and took it out. It was amaz
[46:07] I think it's a shopping cart that was
[46:09] there.
[46:11] Well, well, I you know, to me, shopping
[46:13] carts are not a big deal
[46:16] >> compared to this other shop, but it I
[46:20] really do I really appreciated that you
[46:24] guys took that Darl and Bess and I think
[46:27] I only have one more.
[46:30] Yes. So, um we'd be happy if you guys
[46:34] stayed in touch with us. I'm retiring in
[46:37] a week, but Maya Ronwat is our new water
[46:41] keeper and she's online now.
[46:44] And um
[46:48] so Oh, okay.
[46:51] Yeah. And everybody, thank you guys for
[46:52] letting me come talk.
[46:55] >> You have any question?
[46:59] » I just like a copy of your PowerPoint if
[47:01] you could.
[47:01] >> Yeah.
[47:02] >> Make sure to get that. you can
[47:06] » um
[47:07] >> will it be the process if like Pauly
[47:10] declares like a citywide emergency or
[47:12] the state does like a like a state of
[47:15] emergency type thing? Well, I'm really
[47:17] glad you asked that because I neglected
[47:19] to say so. So, the the um Department of
[47:23] Excology
[47:26] um issued the the thirsty county
[47:29] superior court has issued a an order for
[47:34] them to uh that includes a restraining
[47:37] order that they have to start following
[47:41] the steps of the agreed order that was
[47:43] issued a year ago. And then EPA has also
[47:46] stepped in and according to my
[47:49] understanding and the EPA won't engage
[47:52] with with me for some reason. and they
[47:54] don't answer my questions, but
[47:58] they they've told me that they're giving
[48:02] Richard Basset 6 months to comply with
[48:06] the agreed order. And if he doesn't,
[48:09] then EPA and ecology will go in and
[48:13] either remove or stabilize all those
[48:16] toxic gallons of chemicals.
[48:20] And if if it would be of interest to any
[48:23] of you, I I did a public disclosure
[48:26] request and and and I have all those
[48:29] documents if anyone.
[48:36] » Yes. John,
[48:38] >> wait. What is the city of cosmopolics
[48:41] doing in legislative positions like
[48:43] that?
[48:45] >> I think they're not able to do much. You know,
[48:50] they don't have a fire department. They
[48:54] That's a good question. You know, I I
[48:57] talked to Linda Stringer
[48:59] because I told her that we're organizing
[49:01] this public meeting
[49:04] and she said that she wants to wait
[49:08] because some information is going to
[49:10] come out
[49:12] from ecology and the EPA.
[49:15] And I I don't know what she's talking
[49:18] about. you know that he I don't know if
[49:20] she's actually read those documents that
[49:23] say he has six months to comply
[49:26] but um yeah
[49:29] I can try to find out
[49:31] >> I'm just curious where they are is
[49:33] they're back here.
[49:34] >> Yeah I think they're for you know for a
[49:38] generation. So I I think when we look at
[49:41] it from Aberdine, we need to be well
[49:44] aware of where where Cosmopolis.
[49:47] >> Yeah,
[49:47] >> they seem like they're in the first
[49:49] chair.
[49:51] >> Yeah, I think the EPA andology need to
[49:54] come in and
[49:57] stabilize, you know, but it's going to
[49:59] be very complicated and removing all
[50:02] those chemicals is going to be a major
[50:04] ordeal.
[50:06] >> Thank you. Yeah.
[50:10] Okay.
[50:12] Are the chemicals do they still hold
[50:13] value? Are they
[50:15] >> Well, yes. And well, according to
[50:17] Richard Basset, yes. So, he wants to
[50:19] restart it.
[50:21] And the reason that he's held on to the
[50:24] chemicals is they'd be worth
[50:28] money to him if he was able to restart
[50:30] it. I think the chances of him being
[50:34] able to restart it are almost zero.
[50:38] But, you know, don't take my word for
[50:40] it, you know, because he's under these
[50:42] orders to remove it. And he doesn't have
[50:47] investors
[50:50] and you know, we all see the condition
[50:52] of the place, right?
[50:59] » Yeah. We know that that does affect that
[51:02] there is a pipeline going for our city
[51:04] to those settling funds. Yeah,
[51:07] >> they also said,
[51:08] >> right, that yes, there's the the
[51:10] Woodstay pipe that goes under South Aine
[51:13] three miles. This leaks it's had 17
[51:17] leaks over
[51:19] the last 15 years and Yeah.
[51:25] So, we are going to organize a
[51:27] meeting and maybe um Maya can work with
[51:30] you, Doug or
[51:32] Rick or Nick to see if from
[51:38] or you would I don't know if you'd be
[51:41] interested in being on the panel.
[51:44] Um
[51:47] yeah so we're looking for people to be
[51:49] on the panel and Autran who's the
[51:51] engineer from ecology she'll she'll be
[51:53] on the Wayne for
[51:58] still working on the details for the
[52:00] date but it'll probably be in October
[52:04] >> thank you so much
[52:05] >> thank you.
[52:30] » Oh, that's me.
[52:32] I don't know why I thought. Okay. Wait.
[52:38] Okay, so we met earlier and I have a
[52:42] couple of things to share. Um, the
[52:45] Emergency Preparedness Expo is coming up
[52:48] on Saturday from 10:00 a.m. to 2:00 p.m.
[52:51] It's going to be over at the Olympic
[52:53] Gateway Plaza by Tractor Supply. There's
[52:56] going to be all kinds of stuff going on
[52:57] there. Um, so if you are around, stop by
[53:01] and check that out. Um, and then also
[53:06] National Night Out is coming up on
[53:08] Tuesday, August 4th, and that will run
[53:10] from 5:30 to 7:30. And if anyone is
[53:13] interested in hosting a block party and
[53:16] would like um the police and fire to
[53:19] stop by, then you need to get a hold of
[53:22] Ross Lampy and let him know and then
[53:24] they will make a list for everyone to
[53:26] stop by. Um, last year Deb and I went to
[53:31] um all of the ones in our ward and I
[53:33] highly recommend that to everyone and
[53:35] you can get the list from Ross and he
[53:38] will meet happily share with you and
[53:40] then you can go to all the ones in your
[53:41] ward and and meet all the people that
[53:44] you are serving. Um, for requests, we
[53:49] have
[53:50] a request recommending city council host
[53:53] a public hearing to receive public
[53:55] testimony on the ordinance amending AMC
[53:58] chapter 12.04 to establish new sections
[54:02] related to a temporary alley alley
[54:05] closure program for protection of public
[54:08] health, safety, and welfare. And that is
[54:09] bill number 2609.
[54:13] And I move that we accept this request.
[54:15] Second
[54:16] >> and seconded by council.
[54:19] Is there any discussion on this?
[54:22] All in favor of public hearing.
[54:26] >> I
[54:28] post
[54:32] public hearing. If anybody would like to
[54:35] comment on this request
[54:45] to close the public hearing
[54:46] >> salute second
[54:49] approve this hearing discussion on this
[54:53] all in favor of closing the public
[54:54] hearing
[54:55] >> I
[54:59] thank you.
[55:01] Okay, we have a second reading
[55:03] recommending city council approve the
[55:05] ordinance amending AMC chapter 12.04 to
[55:09] establish new sections related to a
[55:10] temporary alley closure program for
[55:13] protection of public health safety and
[55:14] welfare bill number 2609
[55:17] and then acceptance.
[55:30] All in favor of accepting the second
[55:33] reading recommending city council
[55:35] approve the ordinance amending AMC
[55:37] chapter 12.04 04 to establish new
[55:40] sections related to the temporary
[55:43] closure program for protection of public
[55:46] health, safety and welfare built dash
[55:51] bill 26-09.
[55:54] Say
[55:54] >> I
[55:59] thank you.
[56:12] I was like
[56:15] that was the next reading as the third
[56:18] second.
[56:20] >> Seconded by council person
[56:24] make the second reading the third
[56:26] discussion.
[56:29] All in favor say I.
[56:36] Ramsey,
[56:39] » yes.
[56:40] >> Hodkin,
[56:41] >> yes.
[56:41] >> Hover.
[56:42] >> Yes.
[56:43] >> Moingham,
[56:44] >> yes.
[56:46] >> Fredo,
[56:47] >> yes.
[56:48] >> Rick,
[56:49] >> yes.
[56:50] >> Shaw,
[56:50] >> yes.
[56:53] >> Taylor,
[56:54] >> yes.
[56:54] >> Wilson,
[56:55] >> yes. Motion passes.
[56:57] >> Thank you very much.
[57:01] Next, we have a request recommending
[57:03] city council authorized city
[57:05] administrator to enter into an agreement
[57:06] with the association of Washington
[57:08] Cities approving the acceptance of the
[57:10] funding for the ACT program. And I move
[57:13] that we accept this second
[57:17] by council person.
[57:21] discussion on this
[57:26] request of the city council to the city
[57:29] administrator to agree with the
[57:31] association of Washington cities
[57:33] including the acceptance of the funding
[57:36] for the act program say I
[57:38] >> IO
[57:46] public works with chairperson person
[57:51] were met earlier today.
[57:58] So, let's get into it. First, we have a
[58:00] request recommending the city council to
[58:03] public hearing to receive public
[58:05] testimony
[58:08] section
[58:12] number 26-13.
[58:16] Second. It's
[58:18] >> been second to open the public hearing.
[58:21] Any discussions?
[58:24] All in favor say I.
[58:28] >> Any oppose?
[58:31] 7:28
[58:33] public hearing. Anybody would like to
[58:36] talk and have any comments about our
[58:39] vacant.
[58:46] I'll take motion to close
[58:49] >> second.
[58:50] >> Seconded by council person.
[58:53] Is there any discussion on this?
[58:56] >> All in favor of public say I. I.
[59:09] » All right. Thank you. Uh we've got three
[59:10] reports tonight. The first one is the
[59:12] second reading. So first recommend the
[59:14] city council approved
[59:18] building section
[59:22] bill 26-15
[59:26] second
[59:29] and seconded by council person.
[59:32] Is there any discussion on this?
[59:36] All in favor of accepting their second
[59:38] reading request recommending city
[59:42] council approve approval on the amended
[59:45] vacant city state building section of
[59:48] the municipal code bill number 26-13
[59:53] say I
[1:00:01] » I
[1:00:03] There we go.
[1:00:19] » Is there any discussion?
[1:00:27] » Yes.
[1:00:28] >> Kagan,
[1:00:29] >> yes.
[1:00:31] >> Hover.
[1:00:31] >> Yes. Moingham,
[1:00:32] >> yes.
[1:00:33] >> Member,
[1:00:34] >> yes.
[1:00:34] >> Fredo,
[1:00:35] >> yes.
[1:00:36] >> Bradic,
[1:00:37] >> yes.
[1:00:37] >> Shaw,
[1:00:38] >> yes.
[1:00:39] >> Sword,
[1:00:40] >> yes.
[1:00:40] >> Taylor,
[1:00:41] >> yes.
[1:00:41] >> Wilson,
[1:00:42] >> yes. Motion passes.
[1:00:48] We have a request recommending city
[1:00:50] council approval of the US buildation
[1:00:55] agreement number six
[1:00:59] associates including
[1:01:03] » second by council person. Is there any
[1:01:07] discussion?
[1:01:14] » North
[1:01:19] very rich. Thank you.
[1:01:21] >> Thank you. Any other discussion?
[1:01:25] All in favor request recommending city
[1:01:27] council approvement of the US Highway 12
[1:01:31] rail separation supplemental agreement
[1:01:33] number six with David Evans and
[1:01:35] Associates Incorporated. Say
[1:01:45] » the request recommending approval of H
[1:01:47] Street
[1:01:49] Construction.
[1:01:52] Second
[1:01:54] by counc.
[1:01:57] Any discussion?
[1:02:02] All in favor of request recommending
[1:02:04] group H Street Sanitary sewer
[1:02:06] construction awards say I
[1:02:15] resolutions. Our first one is a request
[1:02:17] recommend
[1:02:19] resolution setting beyond
[1:02:22] proposed location
[1:02:31] number 2026 stat
[1:02:38] by council person. Is there any
[1:02:40] discussion?
[1:02:43] All request recommending approval of
[1:02:46] resolution setting the date for public
[1:02:48] hearings on the proposed vacation of an
[1:02:51] alley driveway within block one of the
[1:02:54] flag Hopkins edition of North Aine
[1:02:57] resolution number 2026-29.
[1:03:01] Say I
[1:03:10] » a second resolution. It's a request to
[1:03:12] recommend approval of the resolution of
[1:03:15] each city and distributed to the street
[1:03:17] closure for spring national events.
[1:03:20] Jesus
[1:03:26] » seconded by council person.
[1:03:35] All in favor of request recommending
[1:03:37] approval resolution and authorizing the
[1:03:39] city administrator to wave street
[1:03:43] advance resolution number 2026-30.
[1:03:46] Say
[1:03:46] >> I
[1:03:50] pass this.
[1:03:54] Okay. Next item is discussion.
[1:04:17] two weeks ago
[1:04:22] to approve the forest fiber franchise
[1:04:25] agreement and it was voted down um
[1:04:28] because there was a lack of information.
[1:04:30] uh because it was voted down now it has
[1:04:32] to start over table we would have been
[1:04:35] able to stop and restart with the
[1:04:38] questions that been answered. So tonight
[1:04:41] we have in we just we couldn't bring it
[1:04:43] forward at the last meeting because we
[1:04:44] didn't have anything on the agenda or
[1:04:46] you guys can ask actual questions of the
[1:04:48] people that are the experts in the
[1:04:50] field. So tonight we have Lisa Marshall
[1:04:54] from Canyon Descent, which is our our
[1:04:56] attorney, uh, who wrote the franchise
[1:04:58] agreement, and Liz Walker from Wireless
[1:05:01] Policy Group, which is the
[1:05:03] representative from Forge Fiber online
[1:05:06] to answer any questions that you might
[1:05:08] have. I know one thing that that
[1:05:10] Councilman Shaw had was he was
[1:05:13] questioning uh the list of the
[1:05:15] infrastructure and I know that they're
[1:05:16] working on that. They told me that
[1:05:17] they're working on that. Part of the
[1:05:19] problem is is they not everything has
[1:05:22] been transferred yet. They don't even I
[1:05:23] don't think they even know exactly what
[1:05:25] they have at this point. They're but
[1:05:27] they're in that process. So, um anyway,
[1:05:30] u Liz and Lisa are available for any
[1:05:32] questions you might have and and please
[1:05:34] take advantage of because they are the
[1:05:37] experts on this and and I am not I did
[1:05:39] not write the fringes agreement. We had
[1:05:40] our our attorney write the fringes
[1:05:42] agreement. So, anyway, thank you.
[1:05:45] >> Anybody have any questions? We also have
[1:05:48] um I don't know if Tiffany Perez is she
[1:05:51] also a representative.
[1:05:59] » Hi I wanted to talk about church. Um
[1:06:06] second we'll come to the second public
[1:06:07] comment period. Okay.
[1:06:10] >> Okay.
[1:06:11] >> Thank you.
[1:06:13] and I want to spend the rest of my life.
[1:06:20] » Well, I Rick mentioned it and uh as I
[1:06:23] brought up last time when we looked at
[1:06:25] it, there were questions uh that came up
[1:06:28] about what the inventory um was, what
[1:06:31] they had, what they didn't have. And I
[1:06:34] think my push was that whatever they say
[1:06:38] they have included in ask them and I
[1:06:41] understand from that they're working on
[1:06:43] creating that be included in the
[1:06:45] contract in the back contract of the
[1:06:47] franchise or if if there is not any then
[1:06:52] that's stated that there isn't any uh
[1:06:55] what I hear is that they're trying to
[1:06:57] find out what they have and that was the
[1:07:00] push that was the caution from my
[1:07:03] discussions with the IT people at the
[1:07:06] PUB was that quite often we have a gray
[1:07:10] area or lack of understanding of what
[1:07:13] exactly is included with franchise
[1:07:15] agreement and it leads to significant
[1:07:18] problems down the road in time and
[1:07:20] money. So as we go forward sounds like
[1:07:23] they are working on creating an
[1:07:24] inventory what was passed down and if
[1:07:28] that all comes together I have no
[1:07:30] difficult
[1:07:40] during this discussion um per Robert's
[1:07:42] rules of order this would need to come
[1:07:45] back by someone who voted no um when
[1:07:48] this was originally brought forward. So
[1:07:50] once we have these answers to these
[1:07:53] questions, just please bear that in
[1:07:55] mind. This cannot be brought back to the
[1:07:57] table for the council to vote on unless
[1:07:59] someone who voted no is going to bring
[1:08:01] it back to the table. side.
[1:08:06] Um, so this conversation with the PUBG
[1:08:10] that
[1:08:12] um
[1:08:15] I I just um a little so the PUB advised
[1:08:19] and like gave you advice to
[1:08:22] >> I took I I read it I read it in depth. I
[1:08:25] asked a few people and I found that the
[1:08:27] people that were expertise on this issue
[1:08:29] or had some expertise that we deal with
[1:08:32] are our friends with the community and I
[1:08:34] sat down and talked to them about things
[1:08:36] that we should look at when they look at
[1:08:38] this topic and it stuck out to me the
[1:08:41] fact that this could you couldn't tell
[1:08:44] from reading this agreement initially
[1:08:46] whether it was a new agreement or
[1:08:48] whether it was a series of transfers.
[1:08:50] That was that was not clear in reading
[1:08:52] the agreement. And then in asking that
[1:08:54] question back to our city attorney, it
[1:08:58] was stated that oh no, there are no
[1:09:00] transfers. This is a they asked for an
[1:09:03] entirely new thing. So just trying to
[1:09:06] avoid the issue of
[1:09:10] what are ghost polls, what are un
[1:09:13] undocumented closets, who
[1:09:17] what assets might go with this
[1:09:19] franchise. Now, as I understand how
[1:09:21] franchise agreements work, and I'm not
[1:09:23] an expert, but I know how to ask the
[1:09:25] question, um
[1:09:28] are if there's no asset or no transfer
[1:09:30] from these previous u agreements that go
[1:09:34] back through
[1:09:35] um these other companies, it's really
[1:09:38] easy to state that in the contract and
[1:09:41] the franchise agreement that this
[1:09:43] reflects no past or existing. And if
[1:09:46] there are past or existing assets, those
[1:09:50] are in the contract so that they
[1:09:51] reflected what we're giving franchise
[1:09:53] for.
[1:09:55] Hope I'm not making it complicated, but
[1:09:58] it was just it's it's a form. It's a
[1:09:59] question of contract.
[1:10:04] » So go back. Yeah, I was really hoping
[1:10:06] that you would bring up what you were
[1:10:08] mentioning during public works about the
[1:10:10] how sometimes to solve this they do
[1:10:13] what's called location the lo the
[1:10:16] locating process we just basically it
[1:10:18] was on basis of the franchise to go out
[1:10:20] and try to find
[1:10:21] >> yeah honestly the people we should be
[1:10:25] talking to are the ones that are
[1:10:26] spending their online
[1:10:29] but yes the uh the lucky process will
[1:10:34] identify where They you know they all
[1:10:38] participate and pay in the service when
[1:10:40] we go out the right way and we want to
[1:10:43] know what's on the ground. We don't call
[1:10:44] the PD call locate service and they come
[1:10:47] out and they locate all the utilities in
[1:10:50] the ground. They they know where they
[1:10:52] know where things are better than than
[1:10:54] or knows where they are. Right. So um
[1:10:58] that's how we locate uh and and it's the
[1:11:01] responsibility of whoever calls that
[1:11:04] locate that's doing that work to ensure
[1:11:06] that we know where the utilities are. Um
[1:11:10] I I don't I'm not even sure we are
[1:11:13] really clear on what drivers buy. So
[1:11:17] there's there's like um you know they're
[1:11:19] not buying all of assets or they're
[1:11:23] buying the end user. they're not buying
[1:11:26] the main buy agreement and I I really
[1:11:29] encourage either Lisa Wolf to give us
[1:11:32] some background of the the franchise
[1:11:34] agreement or Liz to give us some
[1:11:36] background on
[1:11:38] this is not new. They they've gone
[1:11:40] through this process all over the state
[1:11:42] of Washington. He has written a number
[1:11:44] of franchise agreements for other cities
[1:11:46] in the state of Washington as they were
[1:11:48] Cambridge just said which represents a
[1:11:51] lot of different cities. So this is not
[1:11:53] a new agreement. this is the same order
[1:11:56] type of agreement that's been given to
[1:11:58] us. So, um I'm sure that they can answer
[1:12:03] these questions really clearly and uh
[1:12:06] more
[1:12:09] so my question for her would be is this
[1:12:12] something that's usually documented in
[1:12:13] these transfers? We usually have full
[1:12:15] inventory list or is this something
[1:12:17] that's just kind of undocumented?
[1:12:21] Is is it is this unusual that we're
[1:12:23] asking for this type of information just
[1:12:25] a lot more information than we're are we
[1:12:27] asking for
[1:12:30] >> can I respond to that Liz?
[1:12:32] Yeah, and I'm happy to I just want to
[1:12:35] give her a chance to speak
[1:12:36] >> again. I'm Lisa, sorry. I'm Lisa
[1:12:39] Marshall. I'm Alex Kenyon's partner um
[1:12:41] Kenyon Decent and I do a lot of
[1:12:43] franchise agreements. What I would like
[1:12:45] to do is just give you the guard rails,
[1:12:47] what we can ask for, what we can't ask
[1:12:49] for, and then I'm going to turn it over
[1:12:51] to Liz to um answer technical questions
[1:12:55] about the infrastructure itself. Um,
[1:12:57] oftentimes when franchises expire, there
[1:13:01] isn't a real solid understanding of
[1:13:03] where that infrastructure is. That
[1:13:05] infrastructure location comes becomes
[1:13:08] critical when construction is going to
[1:13:10] proceed. So that's when 61 locate is
[1:13:12] called. That's where we figure out where
[1:13:14] the um where the infrastructure is so we
[1:13:16] don't hit it. But it is not normal to
[1:13:19] know exactly where everything is when
[1:13:21] the franchise is drafted or when it's
[1:13:24] executed. We define a franchise area. We
[1:13:27] define the right ofway. And within those
[1:13:29] definitions, we do not engineer the
[1:13:31] location of the infrastructure. That
[1:13:33] said, in all fairness to council member
[1:13:35] Shaw, I do think it's um a legitimate
[1:13:38] question to ask the carrier whether or
[1:13:40] not there is infrastructure on the in
[1:13:42] the ground or not. And if there is no
[1:13:45] infrastructure on the ground, what the
[1:13:47] plan might be. Um, I'll also add that locate um question does come up
[1:13:53] from councils from time to time and this
[1:13:55] is typically the way we answer it and we
[1:13:58] also explain that when construction
[1:13:59] comes um you know when it is imminent
[1:14:03] then we do get all the information we
[1:14:04] need. So I'm going to turn it over to
[1:14:06] Liz at this point.
[1:14:09] >> Okay. Good evening mayor, members of the
[1:14:12] city council. My name is Liz Walker. My
[1:14:14] address is 7436 South Ivy Way in
[1:14:17] Centennial, Colorado. And I'm here
[1:14:20] tonight on behalf of Forged Fiber. Um,
[1:14:22] and I'll just give you an the very brief
[1:14:25] version. Um, and I apologize if I'm
[1:14:28] repeating anything, but Forge Fiber is a
[1:14:30] subsidiary or an entity created by AT&T
[1:14:33] to hold assets that they are purchasing
[1:14:35] from Lumen. Um, and council member Shaw,
[1:14:39] your question um is a good question
[1:14:42] asking about um the the maps and the
[1:14:44] locations of those assets that are being
[1:14:46] purch purchased. And I have requested
[1:14:49] that information and I've been told that
[1:14:52] they're just trying to make sure
[1:14:53] whatever I give over to you is as
[1:14:55] accurate as possible. And so
[1:14:57] unfortunately it's taking a little bit
[1:14:58] longer and I apologize. some um for some
[1:15:02] jurisdictions they've asked for maps and
[1:15:04] I've gotten them right away and been
[1:15:06] able to provide them and um I asked
[1:15:09] again today right before the meeting and it's just they're they're just
[1:15:12] trying to make sure that they that what
[1:15:14] I give you is accurate in terms of the
[1:15:16] location of the fiber that they are
[1:15:18] purchasing. Um just to expand a little
[1:15:21] bit um on on what they're purchasing
[1:15:24] what Forge Fiber is purchasing from
[1:15:26] Lumen um from uh it's technically Lum um
[1:15:31] Lumen AT&T or Forge Fiber is purchasing
[1:15:33] the F2 fiber which starts at the
[1:15:36] neighborhood cross connect and ends at
[1:15:38] the customer premises. So they're taking
[1:15:41] a part of it and then Lumen is keeping
[1:15:44] the part um called the F1 fiber which
[1:15:48] starts at their central office and goes
[1:15:50] to that first cross connect panel. So
[1:15:52] one of the questions that I was asked
[1:15:54] which was a really a question we've had
[1:15:56] before is you know why is it just an
[1:15:58] assignment of of a franchise or or why
[1:16:01] does Forge Fiber need their own and they
[1:16:03] need their own for that reason because
[1:16:05] they're not buying the whole thing
[1:16:06] outright. they're they're buying certain
[1:16:08] a certain portion of the assets. Um so
[1:16:12] and again just a I apologize for not
[1:16:15] having uh the map. Um like I said, it's
[1:16:19] something that we've provided to other
[1:16:20] jurisdictions when asked and what I was
[1:16:23] told today is that they're still um
[1:16:25] reviewing the information to make the
[1:16:27] determination um and just you know vet
[1:16:30] the information I'm giving you so that
[1:16:31] we can have accurate information
[1:16:33] provided. But as soon as I have that um
[1:16:36] I will have that over to um uh Rick uh
[1:16:41] Sanger and um I'll send it to Lisa too
[1:16:43] so that you guys will have that
[1:16:45] information as soon as I get it and I'm
[1:16:47] happy to answer any other questions.
[1:16:51] >> This is John. Thank you very much.
[1:16:53] That's very helpful.
[1:16:57] » Any other questions?
[1:17:02] » Thank Thank you very much. We appreciate
[1:17:03] your time. Thanks for staying up.
[1:17:07] >> No problem.
[1:17:10] >> Happy to.
[1:17:14] » We're still discussing this.
[1:17:16] >> Oh, you want to discuss it?
[1:17:17] >> Yeah.
[1:17:19] >> With with John after
[1:17:22] that we're getting the map.
[1:17:24] Would you be willing to entertain
[1:17:26] bringing it back in?
[1:17:28] >> Oh, I I'm going to have to listen to
[1:17:31] what the proper form is. I I'm assuming
[1:17:34] that they're going to update contracts
[1:17:36] and include the maps.
[1:17:38] >> Yeah.
[1:17:38] >> And as appendices to the contract that
[1:17:41] come in that answers the question, we
[1:17:44] know what we know where we're starting
[1:17:46] from and we find I I'm in no way against
[1:17:52] moving forward. This is just about I
[1:17:56] think an obvious and I think you can
[1:17:58] hear that it's not a comment they have
[1:18:04] since you don't have to vote down
[1:18:08] >> because that I'm happy to do well
[1:18:12] >> we have but we need
[1:18:13] >> a legislative break to get their
[1:18:15] documents in line and then I can help
[1:18:17] John with the proper motion for bringing
[1:18:19] it back in at the end of August. I'm
[1:18:21] just looking at from a business
[1:18:23] standpoint. I'm assuming that what I'm
[1:18:25] hearing is Liz at all is going to come
[1:18:28] up with details that go to Rick and
[1:18:31] Arley Center and be included in an
[1:18:34] update of the franchise agreement that
[1:18:37] then we're all going to be having to
[1:18:39] >> Yeah.
[1:18:41] >> The point I'm coming from is that from
[1:18:42] what I understand that you're not
[1:18:43] worried about what the information is
[1:18:45] going to happen and you're just worried
[1:18:47] more about that the information just
[1:18:48] appears to be. I think in listening to
[1:18:51] some other people having uh having a
[1:18:54] bakery and uh and the absolute
[1:18:57] uncertainty of what the assets are, what
[1:19:00] they're getting, what's on the ground,
[1:19:02] especially right now as I'm we're
[1:19:04] having, you know, we have multiple fiber
[1:19:06] optic links coming through town. We have
[1:19:08] a lot of stuff like this that's going to
[1:19:11] be happening and we really know where
[1:19:13] everybody lives. So, not that not that I
[1:19:15] kind of wanted to undermine it at all,
[1:19:17] but I asked I asked them do they see
[1:19:21] issues and they're very positive. They
[1:19:23] absolutely you got you know we need to
[1:19:25] do this and support it. But it was about
[1:19:28] when we see problems, it's because
[1:19:31] somebody forgot to include somebody.
[1:19:34] didn't know something and it
[1:19:36] takes months and months to sort out uh
[1:19:40] something that could have easily been in
[1:19:42] the contract at the beginning.
[1:19:45] uh who who belonged to what especially
[1:19:47] when I was listening to the full version
[1:19:50] of
[1:19:52] them going from Lumen to another company
[1:19:54] to begin with AT&T and now I understand
[1:19:58] they want to take some of those assets
[1:20:00] into forging vibrant so I really want to
[1:20:03] make sure you understand I'm not
[1:20:04] negative about it I just see it as you
[1:20:07] need to have the inventory or or not or
[1:20:09] an understanding that there is stuff I
[1:20:13] do am I answering Yeah. Yeah.
[1:20:16] >> And I'll do whatever we need to do.
[1:20:21] » Everybody else before legislative break,
[1:20:24] but if it's not necessary
[1:20:28] >> and I doubt that they got a clock going
[1:20:30] on on this course is going to worry
[1:20:32] about whether we're done by August.
[1:20:35] >> I just think we'd be doing a better time
[1:20:37] when are diligence. So we had the
[1:20:41] updated contract on there. It has the
[1:20:43] map with the list of everything or
[1:20:45] something that says we don't have a list
[1:20:47] and here's why.
[1:20:50] >> It just like not having again not trying
[1:20:52] to persuade it at all but like not
[1:20:54] having the franchise agreement just kind
[1:20:56] of limits what they can do right away.
[1:20:58] So um I don't think that will create a
[1:21:01] problem. It sounds like we could wait
[1:21:02] until after the legislative break. Is
[1:21:05] that so? Um I'm not hearing any urgency
[1:21:08] item. This would take three readings,
[1:21:10] right?
[1:21:11] >> I'm sorry.
[1:21:12] >> This approval of the agreement would
[1:21:13] take three readings. Is that right? An
[1:21:16] ordinance, not a resolution.
[1:21:17] >> Mhm.
[1:21:18] >> So, we even if we did the first, it's
[1:21:21] just it's just an agreement. It's just
[1:21:22] one rating.
[1:21:33] » Special committee items. Council
[1:21:35] president.
[1:21:37] I'd like to make a motion to approve the
[1:21:39] first reading of bill 26-14 allowing the
[1:21:42] creation of a youth council.
[1:21:43] >> Seconded
[1:21:48] by council person discussion
[1:22:02] is there any discussion? I just want to
[1:22:04] say I'm looking forward to this and I
[1:22:05] hope that we get applications to really
[1:22:09] build this out and let it be the success
[1:22:11] story.
[1:22:17] » Yes.
[1:22:18] >> I actually was just I I know that Justin
[1:22:20] had some interactions with youth about
[1:22:22] this already and I wanted him to share
[1:22:24] with us what he told me earlier.
[1:22:27] >> Yeah. So, uh, for this council, it
[1:22:31] there'll be like five members and two
[1:22:33] alternates. Um, and it'll be ages, I
[1:22:36] believe, 14 to 20.
[1:22:38] >> Yes.
[1:22:38] Uh, which opens the door to so many
[1:22:41] more people honestly. And I've talked to
[1:22:44] a few of my friends and about three of
[1:22:46] them have interest in joining this
[1:22:48] council. Um, so we'll see if they
[1:22:51] actually do once we get it all moved
[1:22:53] along. But I think this will really
[1:22:56] allow the youth to have more of a voice.
[1:22:59] Um, I know I'm limited and Aiden is
[1:23:01] limited, but when there's five kids
[1:23:03] altogether, stuff can really happen.
[1:23:10] » Okay.
[1:23:10] >> Um, does that include um eighth graders?
[1:23:14] >> Yes.
[1:23:18] Any more discussion? Yeah.
[1:23:24] Um so
[1:23:26] like on the council the youth council um
[1:23:30] there will be a chair and a vice chair.
[1:23:32] The chair will be the main student rep
[1:23:35] and then the vice chair will be the
[1:23:36] alternate student rep.
[1:23:38] >> Yeah. So you won't be chair.
[1:23:44] » All right. See no more discussion. All
[1:23:47] in favor of the first reading request
[1:23:50] foundation recommending the city council
[1:23:53] approve the use
[1:23:59] to approve the use council bill number
[1:24:03] 26-4
[1:24:05] say I
[1:24:07] >> oppose.
[1:24:09] Thank you.
[1:24:11] Next, we have a request recommending the
[1:24:13] city council approved for the mayor to
[1:24:16] appoint two individuals to the library
[1:24:18] board. Accept this request.
[1:24:30] » Is there any discussion?
[1:24:35] » Typically, when you have appointments on
[1:24:37] the agenda, their names are listed. I
[1:24:40] understand that it's in the pocket, but
[1:24:41] you know, I'm off the top of your notes
[1:24:43] on the two meeting.
[1:24:54] » It's uh Beverly Wilkinson and Kaitlyn.
[1:25:17] Hi.
[1:25:26] A motion to approve resolution 2026-28
[1:25:30] submitting a proposed trial for the
[1:25:32] qualified voters of the city for their
[1:25:34] approval or rejection. Approval or
[1:25:36] rejection
[1:25:40] » second.
[1:25:50] All right. Um, so the decision for you
[1:25:53] tonight is likely one of the most
[1:25:54] significant votes that you'll make as
[1:25:57] members on the council. The yes vote
[1:25:59] does not mean does not decide the future
[1:26:01] of the council. It simply gives the
[1:26:03] people to you represent the opportunity
[1:26:05] to decide themselves. This is about
[1:26:07] allowing the residents of Aberine to
[1:26:09] have a voice. As elected officials, your
[1:26:11] role is to represent the community and
[1:26:14] ensure their voice is heard. Voting yes
[1:26:16] allows that process to happen. If this
[1:26:19] measure does not move forward and you
[1:26:21] personally oppose it, I encourage you to
[1:26:23] make your case to the public and explain
[1:26:25] why you believe they should vote no.
[1:26:27] That's how democracy works. Let let the
[1:26:31] voters hear both sides and make their
[1:26:32] final decision.
[1:26:34] Yeah.
[1:26:37] >> Any other discussion?
[1:26:40] Um well I just feel like it was kind of
[1:26:43] something that I would like to discuss
[1:26:45] as a council of which we really haven't
[1:26:48] done before um you know giving it to the
[1:26:51] city to vote on it. I'm a little
[1:26:53] concerned about group think as of as
[1:26:56] opposed to u disagreement within the
[1:26:59] council. I think, you know, more heads
[1:27:01] prevail sometimes with putting in some
[1:27:04] other ideas and, you know, representing,
[1:27:06] you know, the different factions within
[1:27:08] the city. Um, we can let the city vote
[1:27:10] on it, but sometimes their vote is un
[1:27:14] educated. You know, they don't really
[1:27:16] know for sure. They just think it's a,
[1:27:18] you know, a good idea to limit it. But I
[1:27:20] see some cities that have, you know,
[1:27:23] moved into this um particular kind of
[1:27:26] sixperson vote and they get into group
[1:27:28] think and the city kind of just goes one
[1:27:31] direction.
[1:27:33] Um so I would like to discuss it as the
[1:27:35] council and put our, you know, our um
[1:27:38] ideas out there for, you know, for me um
[1:27:42] you know, I've enjoyed my time on
[1:27:44] council. I don't really intend to run
[1:27:45] again, but I like the fact that, you
[1:27:48] know, there's a lot of people that are
[1:27:50] not a lot of people, but more people to
[1:27:52] kind of put their opinions in and to
[1:27:54] share, you know, thoughts and concerns.
[1:27:57] I think we've saved the city some money,
[1:27:59] um, from making some, you know, mistakes
[1:28:02] maybe that we could have made. But, um,
[1:28:04] anyway, that's my thought on it.
[1:28:07] >> Person
[1:28:11] shop.
[1:28:12] >> Yeah. Um, I'd like to speak on this. Um,
[1:28:15] as someone who has been here 38 years,
[1:28:18] and for all 38 years, there's been a
[1:28:20] discussion in Aberdine and Oakland about
[1:28:23] reducing council size for efficiencies
[1:28:25] and different reasons. And I'm I'm told
[1:28:28] by some historically minded friends,
[1:28:31] better suited than I, that it goes back
[1:28:33] 50 to 60 years. We there have been
[1:28:36] various discussions of reduction. This
[1:28:39] isn't to me anything about the current
[1:28:41] council. This is a this is a topic
[1:28:43] that's been going on for quite a while
[1:28:46] during the election campaign and in
[1:28:48] recent years has been discussed
[1:28:49] regularly and I think it really comes
[1:28:52] down to letting this go to the voters.
[1:28:56] We have developed a habit here at the
[1:28:59] city to uh create um new polls to create
[1:29:06] basically we're going to the public all
[1:29:08] the time asking for their opinion on
[1:29:11] everything from what our budget should
[1:29:12] look like to how to what we should be
[1:29:15] prioritizing at the city. And I think um
[1:29:18] I think it is in good form and walking
[1:29:21] the walk to ask the citizens of this
[1:29:25] question that's been out there for a
[1:29:26] long long time. And I think it is a
[1:29:29] mistake to not allow it to go for
[1:29:33] citizens vote. And again I I came into
[1:29:38] this I'm new on the council. I've
[1:29:40] watched this exhibition for a long time.
[1:29:43] And this is just about giving Aberdine a
[1:29:46] chance and the voters to have a say. We
[1:29:49] ask them all the time. We got QR codes
[1:29:52] on the wall when we're asking people how
[1:29:55] we should do things. We can't be afraid
[1:29:58] to let this go to
[1:30:00] >> Thank you.
[1:30:03] Uh, I just want to second what council
[1:30:06] member Shaw was saying and while I was
[1:30:08] campaigning and also just talking to
[1:30:10] people, this has been a topic that comes
[1:30:14] up almost every time I'm talking to
[1:30:16] somebody. Um, the the voters in our city
[1:30:18] care about this topic a lot. And for me,
[1:30:22] it just comes down to letting people
[1:30:24] decide how they want to be represented.
[1:30:27] And I just can't see any reason why we
[1:30:29] wouldn't let people decide the number of
[1:30:31] people they want represented them.
[1:30:33] >> Thank you.
[1:30:41] » Um I have prepared a pretty long
[1:30:44] statement but I'm going to try my best
[1:30:45] to summarize it as most of what I had
[1:30:48] planned to say has already been shared.
[1:30:51] Um but just a couple key elements I want
[1:30:53] to make sure that we are pointing out
[1:30:55] there. Um, this isn't changing the board
[1:30:57] boundaries. This specific proposal
[1:31:00] doesn't shorten anyone's term.
[1:31:02] Most importantly, we are not voting to
[1:31:05] reduce it. We're voting to allow the
[1:31:08] voters to have that decision. Um, I
[1:31:11] think, you know, as a council member,
[1:31:14] you don't have to personally support the
[1:31:16] reduction of council um
[1:31:20] to allow someone else to allow the voter
[1:31:22] to vote. Those are two very different
[1:31:25] decisions.
[1:31:28] I understand there's some legitimate
[1:31:29] arguments for keeping 12. So they
[1:31:32] believe that, you know, two forward
[1:31:34] provides you with some greater access or
[1:31:36] perspectives of the dis. And I I do
[1:31:38] respect that position.
[1:31:40] This choice about representation should
[1:31:42] belong to the voters. Those who voted
[1:31:45] for us and elected us to represent them,
[1:31:48] not those of us sitting up here. That's
[1:31:51] why this has been brought forward. This
[1:31:53] is why I've pushed so hard for it since
[1:31:55] I've been on council and that's why I
[1:31:57] will be voting yes and
[1:32:00] pass this through.
[1:32:02] >> Thank you. Any other discussion?
[1:32:13] like this new idea of it being devoted
[1:32:16] to people,
[1:32:18] but I think the timing is at a very
[1:32:21] stressful point and allows a lot of us
[1:32:23] work really hard to get here. And at the
[1:32:25] end of my four-year term, I would like
[1:32:27] to rewrite to keep those same ideas and
[1:32:31] programs and process that I've been
[1:32:33] doing now for since 2018 is when I
[1:32:35] started.
[1:32:37] And for me, just to hand over everything
[1:32:39] I've worked for and everything that I am
[1:32:42] pushing for is to I still need to go
[1:32:45] bathroom. That was our first
[1:32:47] conversation.
[1:32:50] » That's something we can all agree on. So
[1:32:52] I mean
[1:32:55] I see it's very there's a divide right
[1:32:57] now. If we were a vote right now, it
[1:33:00] would leave it to where
[1:33:03] six people be represented by one. Six
[1:33:06] people
[1:33:08] have no voice in the council. I think
[1:33:11] this is a good time for I think it would
[1:33:14] be a reduction Sunday would be good. But
[1:33:15] now
[1:33:18] it puts too long of a gap where there's
[1:33:20] a huge portion of the vote that was
[1:33:22] recently voted on and we're greed by by
[1:33:24] the people but our voice will be unheard
[1:33:28] for that period until we have a chance
[1:33:30] to run again
[1:33:32] and I think that's unfair that's the
[1:33:34] only thing I that's unfair
[1:33:40] strange catalyst the world
[1:33:44] Um,
[1:33:52] » yeah.
[1:34:02] Is there is there any other
[1:34:06] way?
[1:34:08] >> I was going to say I've been a proponent
[1:34:10] and spoken publicly about drinking the
[1:34:12] council since I was running. I've had
[1:34:14] multiple people come to me as as I was
[1:34:16] campaigning beforehand even even now
[1:34:19] it's just like still this discussion
[1:34:21] continues to come up and come up. So I'm
[1:34:25] putting this to a vote for to the people
[1:34:27] to vote for this.
[1:34:29] My second point just
[1:34:33] » okay that was my second point is all
[1:34:35] sweet council with all of the senior
[1:34:38] members who have been fighting for close
[1:34:40] to a decade now
[1:34:42] it'll be all fresh blood and all the
[1:34:44] things we've been fighting for sweep on
[1:34:46] the road
[1:34:47] and that is being is not fair. It's it's
[1:34:50] not very
[1:34:52] it takes all of our work and all of our
[1:34:54] voice. It's this community.
[1:34:58] It's not they're not voting reducing the
[1:35:00] council. They're voting voice
[1:35:10] and that
[1:35:13] not
[1:35:15] you'll fail as a super majority.
[1:35:28] again.
[1:35:29] >> No.
[1:35:30] >> I have to say no.
[1:35:33] >> Yes.
[1:35:35] >> Nipper.
[1:35:36] >> No.
[1:35:37] >> Fredo,
[1:35:38] >> yes.
[1:35:39] >> Ragic,
[1:35:40] >> yes.
[1:35:40] >> Shaw,
[1:35:41] >> yes.
[1:35:42] >> Swore.
[1:35:43] >> Yes.
[1:35:44] >> Taylor,
[1:35:45] >> no.
[1:35:46] >> Wilson,
[1:35:47] >> yes.
[1:35:48] Motion does not pass with points.
[1:35:53] Go ahead.
[1:35:56] >> The last item on the agenda for special
[1:35:59] committee items
[1:36:01] on the ethics committee findings
[1:36:03] regarding ethics and conduct violation
[1:36:06] complaints. We'll look forward to
[1:36:08] discussing.
[1:36:12] » I suppose it remains here.
[1:36:15] We haven't discussed that. together.
[1:36:20] » There's nothing within the code that
[1:36:21] says that we need to recuse yourself
[1:36:23] discussions.
[1:36:38] » So, are we open for discussion?
[1:36:40] >> Yes, we're open for discussion. Would it
[1:36:43] be better if you find something a little
[1:36:46] shocking or disconcerting to present it
[1:36:48] in a,
[1:36:51] you know, email or letter? I mean, we're
[1:36:52] not supposed to send something out to
[1:36:54] everyone, but rather than just say it,
[1:36:55] you know, in public meeting, but it' be
[1:36:57] better to just share your concerns and
[1:37:01] be emailed.
[1:37:05] » Oh, sure.
[1:37:07] I'm just wondering, you know, if you
[1:37:09] find um something a little shocking or
[1:37:11] disconcerting, would it be better to
[1:37:13] rather than just to say it publicly in
[1:37:15] the in the moment to share it in an
[1:37:18] email or a letter? We've had, you know,
[1:37:21] people do that. So, um
[1:37:26] is that what is that what we prefer?
[1:37:29] I think that would be up to the Are
[1:37:30] >> you talking about this particular issue
[1:37:33] or
[1:37:33] >> Yeah, this particular either this
[1:37:35] particular issue. Would it have been
[1:37:36] more appropriate to share the concern in
[1:37:39] an email or a letter to the council?
[1:37:41] >> My concern?
[1:37:42] >> Yes. Your concern with the fact you know
[1:37:45] that um people were voting against
[1:37:48] people who wanted to volunteer their
[1:37:49] time.
[1:37:50] >> Oh, if I would have calmed down or wrote
[1:37:51] something more eloquently, I see if I
[1:37:53] can defend myself. I wasn't meaning to
[1:37:55] discussing wasn't the word. I just meant
[1:37:57] that I felt it was unnecessary.
[1:38:02] » Yes, it wasn't due to their
[1:38:05] qualifications for the position. It was
[1:38:08] a personal noble in my opinion in my
[1:38:12] opinion.
[1:38:22] » I just I just I felt it was unnecessary.
[1:38:25] There's been a lot of other committees
[1:38:26] where the people that were
[1:38:29] the opposing side has pushed through
[1:38:31] without a single link or non
[1:38:50] as a representative
[1:38:54] It's supposed to be part of something I
[1:38:56] feel and that's why I try to keep it
[1:39:02] as
[1:39:11] saying that express my opinion on what I
[1:39:14] felt was unnecessary but was not a big
[1:39:16] sanction publicly
[1:39:19] lack of
[1:39:22] choice of words and
[1:39:25] I'm sorry.
[1:39:28] >> I'll just I'll just add that my concern
[1:39:31] with the ethics committee was that it
[1:39:33] would be used as you know it would be
[1:39:34] weaponized and and I've seen that I've
[1:39:38] seen that go on and that's disconcerting
[1:39:40] to me. I think it creates a lack of
[1:39:41] trust. So that's my opinion.
[1:39:52] I have every right to vote how I feel on
[1:39:59] the appointments to a thing and I can
[1:40:02] repeat some conversations I had with one
[1:40:04] member uh that we voted for and I don't
[1:40:08] think you would be surprised that I
[1:40:10] voted against them. And if you bothered
[1:40:13] to ask why, you might have found out
[1:40:16] instead of telling me I'm disgusting.
[1:40:20] That's all I have to say.
[1:40:25] I want to ask David. Dave, uh, something
[1:40:27] that catches my ear is our side. You
[1:40:30] explain that because to me that's really an important discussion.
[1:40:36] I don't see any sides and I'm done with
[1:40:41] fine. No, there's no sides. You're
[1:40:44] right. There is. Okay. So, can you tell
[1:40:46] me what you mean by that? It's kind of a
[1:40:49] straight question.
[1:40:51] >> Let's see if we get any physical signs.
[1:40:55] Some of them would be destroyed. Some of
[1:40:56] them wouldn't even though they're
[1:40:57] sitting side by side that show the
[1:40:59] direct compositional sides. It shows
[1:41:02] that there's a
[1:41:04] and that's that's what you're thinking
[1:41:05] when you say our side.
[1:41:10] It's an honest question. I want I want
[1:41:12] to learn because I I'm on here and I
[1:41:15] have I don't have any interest in sink
[1:41:17] sites. I want that to be really funny
[1:41:20] when I share it. I want to know I want
[1:41:22] to know where this is coming from.
[1:41:24] >> John being involved.
[1:41:26] >> Oh, I've been watching this council for
[1:41:28] a while so I think I know.
[1:41:31] And so I offense to to me saying that I
[1:41:34] feel like I'm being targeted by by an
[1:41:37] opposition.
[1:41:39] I'm not part of me. I'm not there's an
[1:41:42] organized group that is targeting me.
[1:41:46] >> I don't feel that way. I mean,
[1:41:48] >> okay, we'll have a discussion. Let's you
[1:41:50] and I get together. We'll have a
[1:41:52] discussion about that in
[1:41:54] I'd like to see if we have something
[1:41:57] going on in this city and in this
[1:41:59] council under this chamber where someone
[1:42:02] feels targeted,
[1:42:04] we have to deal with that. And I'm not
[1:42:07] that that's a serious issue and and
[1:42:09] let's talk about it.
[1:42:12] Okay. It's unfortunate where that that's
[1:42:14] a discussion, but yes, I am bringing
[1:42:17] that to the table. So, why don't you and
[1:42:19] I get together? Get together.
[1:42:22] >> There's
[1:42:24] ever since the rally card
[1:42:38] making a vote to remove our president
[1:42:42] time knowing
[1:42:44] that we do have a post ambassador.
[1:42:47] very similar circumstances to the way
[1:42:49] that the doctors
[1:42:52] can.
[1:42:55] So if there was no as you're saying no
[1:42:58] targeting the three people that were
[1:43:00] picked who ran for that you
[1:43:07] » act thank you
[1:43:09] those three if it was three other ones I
[1:43:11] am darn sure it would have passed with
[1:43:13] no problem
[1:43:15] so you can't tell me that it's not I've
[1:43:18] sat here for many years and I've watched
[1:43:21] it and over and over and over it's
[1:43:24] specific groups specific people and you
[1:43:27] can't deny that
[1:43:30] >> and if you don't see it
[1:43:31] >> well then you have blinders
[1:43:33] >> I got to tell you
[1:43:34] >> I voted for the people that were brought
[1:43:36] forward through the process and that's
[1:43:38] as simple as that and that's how we need
[1:43:41] business and carrying this stuff forward
[1:43:44] you know and basically dropping this
[1:43:46] baggage in front of the safety
[1:43:49] and maybe getting in the way of doing
[1:43:51] the business of the city which is what
[1:43:53] this is
[1:43:55] um concerns me. So, we need to sit down
[1:43:57] and put that stuff away. I agree.
[1:44:01] There can't be a division like that
[1:44:04] going forward.
[1:44:05] >> I I I fully agree with you that there
[1:44:07] shouldn't be a division, but there is.
[1:44:11] >> And and you know, the other side is just
[1:44:12] let's just remember that when we come
[1:44:14] here, this is a nonpartisan.
[1:44:16] >> Absolutely. You know, just remember that
[1:44:19] it's a nonpartisan body and you can you
[1:44:22] are all made up of your personal
[1:44:24] opinions. We understand you're free to
[1:44:27] have those.
[1:44:29] Go ahead.
[1:44:30] >> Sorry. I just wanted to reiterate that
[1:44:32] we all can vote independently how we
[1:44:35] want to vote and as expressed by council
[1:44:38] person Fredo that his reason for voting
[1:44:41] no was specific because he had been
[1:44:43] engaged with one of those people who had
[1:44:46] very negative comments to say in public
[1:44:48] forum. So I can fully understand that if
[1:44:52] I had someone out here who was calling
[1:44:54] me some sort of names or something I'm
[1:44:57] not going to bug them in. Why why would
[1:44:59] I do that? So you're right. You should
[1:45:01] put yours aside. Shouldn't you? Or
[1:45:03] should you not put that negative and
[1:45:06] look at
[1:45:07] >> Yes.
[1:45:11] » Sorry.
[1:45:12] >> I I know this is on me and I want to let
[1:45:17] people know that I in no way intended my
[1:45:21] vote to be political. It was not. I
[1:45:25] looked at what the results might be of
[1:45:29] certain people being on the committee
[1:45:32] and I'm looking at the best outcome for
[1:45:35] the city had nothing to do with none.
[1:45:40] But I must say that when you said that
[1:45:44] people that uh voted no were disgusting,
[1:45:49] it made me think twice about should I
[1:45:52] ever vote against him again?
[1:45:55] you know, should I always wait and hear
[1:45:57] what he's going to vote so that he
[1:45:59] doesn't turn around and they
[1:46:03] >> But I
[1:46:05] that I'm just saying I that was not my
[1:46:08] reasoning. It was not political. I did
[1:46:11] not do anything. I prompted that was not
[1:46:17] security.
[1:46:18] >> So I So first I I would like to say I do
[1:46:22] not believe that Mr. called any bud
[1:46:25] disgusting. He called the action,
[1:46:28] not the people. I've just heard twice
[1:46:31] from two people on the council that they
[1:46:35] took it personal was they were called
[1:46:36] disgusting. That was not the intent. I
[1:46:40] can clearly see that cuz I was sitting
[1:46:42] here. Secondly, we do need to put aside
[1:46:46] our personal feelings, how we feel about
[1:46:50] somebody,
[1:46:51] and vote on the ability for them to do a
[1:46:56] good job, not how we personally feel
[1:47:00] about somebody.
[1:47:02] And and and in my opinion, this is my
[1:47:06] opinion, I believe that that's what Mr.
[1:47:07] Gay was saying.
[1:47:11] I remember more as to not discourage
[1:47:14] people from applying from the position
[1:47:16] of we start trying to pick favors when
[1:47:20] there's only three out. It's not like
[1:47:21] there was an actual vote being presented
[1:47:22] as who was going to win over who who was
[1:47:26] prepared by by choice. It was it was
[1:47:29] just a it was a it was a technicality
[1:47:32] breaking them through because they're
[1:47:33] the only ones that apply and by saying
[1:47:34] no it was just a slap in the face to to
[1:47:38] how things should operate. So,
[1:47:45] » so I I've been waiting to let everyone
[1:47:47] have their their things so that I could
[1:47:50] address some of these um concerns. Um
[1:47:53] when the ethics committee met, we were
[1:47:55] very sensitive to all of these concerns
[1:47:57] and we shared them. We discussed the uh
[1:48:01] fear that had been expressed to we've
[1:48:03] heard previously about the um ethics um
[1:48:07] being weaponized and um and we discussed
[1:48:11] all this at length and the reason that
[1:48:14] we came to the conclusions that we did
[1:48:16] is we found that um a couple of the
[1:48:20] issues were not not supported. Um but
[1:48:23] the tone of voice and um calling
[1:48:28] someone's votes in a derogatory manner
[1:48:30] that that was that was supportive.
[1:48:33] Whether you know you are allowed to
[1:48:35] disagree certainly um but we just felt
[1:48:39] that um by calling somebody's choice of
[1:48:42] votes disgusting that was crossing the
[1:48:45] line of the letter of being professional
[1:48:48] and working in a professional way. That
[1:48:51] was why we came to the decision that we
[1:48:52] did and it was unanimous.
[1:48:56] >> Do you guys
[1:48:59] get to that?
[1:49:02] >> I just wanted to also
[1:49:07] » and we take the vote as a as a council.
[1:49:11] We're not always going to win. It's not
[1:49:13] always going to be the vote that we
[1:49:14] want. Everyone just happened tonight.
[1:49:16] But I was just very happy.
[1:49:18] But as a council, whether we whether
[1:49:22] we're on the winning side or not, we're
[1:49:24] obligated as a council to stand by that
[1:49:26] decision as a group, as a unit, and our
[1:49:30] individual opinions.
[1:49:33] Isn't is that's not the point. The point
[1:49:36] is as a group, we've come together and
[1:49:38] we've made a decision in democracy. That
[1:49:41] decision wins. It doesn't mean that we
[1:49:43] attack people who didn't agree with us.
[1:49:46] That's
[1:49:48] I'm not saying one way is right or the
[1:49:51] other. I'm just saying in a democracy in
[1:49:53] this council
[1:49:56] we make a decision. We as as a group
[1:49:59] have made that decision whether it's the
[1:50:02] one that we chose or not and we must
[1:50:05] stand by it. In the past this council
[1:50:07] has not stood by decision and that was
[1:50:11] completely wrong and unethical.
[1:50:14] moving forward, we need to stand by the
[1:50:16] decision of the council and whatever the
[1:50:18] vote is, we all need to
[1:50:20] swallow whatever anger we have inside
[1:50:23] and stand behind that vote because we
[1:50:25] are a council. We we're we're united and
[1:50:28] we are of course united, but
[1:50:30] individually we're not
[1:50:34] sorry. No, that's my my
[1:50:39] when you were 11, I invoked
[1:50:44] Have I ever feel uncomfortable?
[1:50:53] » I have a couple of comments.
[1:50:54] >> Yes.
[1:50:56] Excuse me. I need to go get to either.
[1:51:01] >> My only
[1:51:03] this is, you know, I feel like this is a
[1:51:05] discussion.
[1:51:07] We're not here to make words and
[1:51:09] discuss, you know, what decisions have
[1:51:11] been getting in the past or how votes
[1:51:13] have gone in the past, how we've acted
[1:51:15] after voting. We're here to talk about
[1:51:18] this one instance. And what this one
[1:51:19] instance comes down to is support,
[1:51:23] an obligation that each of us holds, to
[1:51:26] have disagreements with respect, to
[1:51:28] speak with each other with respect, have
[1:51:31] attack,
[1:51:34] and just a little bit of kindness.
[1:51:37] So
[1:51:39] that that's all I all I have to add to
[1:51:41] that.
[1:51:47] » Go ahead first.
[1:51:51] » I
[1:51:56] Oh gosh. If somebody's yelling at you on
[1:51:58] screen, cursing at you, does your
[1:52:00] personal opinion, what they're saying
[1:52:02] really affect what they're yelling at
[1:52:04] you? Because you can look
[1:52:08] up these people and look at their
[1:52:10] comments about our council or see
[1:52:14] actions and they're not like you know
[1:52:21] from mind
[1:52:26] decision
[1:52:34] process not just kind of
[1:52:41] this wasn't party affiliation
[1:52:48] by the people
[1:52:53] seeing their friend groups
[1:52:56] to make decisions.
[1:53:03] Um I can I say something
[1:53:07] really?
[1:53:08] >> Yeah.
[1:53:08] >> Um
[1:53:10] we spent I Katie uh finance director
[1:53:15] Katie Williamson and I spent many many
[1:53:18] hours um trying to follow reading
[1:53:21] through code um trying to follow
[1:53:24] everything to to a tea because we knew
[1:53:26] how important this was. This is our
[1:53:27] first time dealing with this.
[1:53:30] We spent hours with our attorney getting
[1:53:34] advice, figuring out steps that needed
[1:53:38] to be made, ensuring cross, you know,
[1:53:40] dotting our eyes, crossing our tees, all
[1:53:42] of the things. And the result is
[1:53:45] probably tens of thousands of dollars
[1:53:48] collectively that we spent just handling
[1:53:51] this issue
[1:53:53] because
[1:53:55] of like maybe there was a a way to talk
[1:53:59] about this or to deal with it at a lower
[1:54:01] level. I understand that this is
[1:54:06] this exists
[1:54:08] and that feels disrespectful.
[1:54:12] Um,
[1:54:15] I understand that these rules exist to
[1:54:17] keep people safe and to provide a a
[1:54:19] process and way a procedure for all of
[1:54:22] you to to do this to to to be able to
[1:54:24] air out your grievances. But I just want
[1:54:27] you also to be aware
[1:54:30] of the money that goes and the time that
[1:54:33] pulls her away from the budget process
[1:54:36] handling making sure our payments are
[1:54:38] made, you know, utility bills, all the
[1:54:41] things that go into it. So, I just I
[1:54:43] also want you to be aware I'm not trying
[1:54:45] to discourage you to not pursue this,
[1:54:48] but I just want you to be aware of the
[1:54:50] operational impact to the city that this
[1:54:53] has. So, thank you.
[1:54:57] Oh
[1:55:07] Counc.
[1:55:11] The amount of money and the time
[1:55:14] is nothing if everyone hears sharing
[1:55:16] their voice the way that they should be.
[1:55:18] And accountability is the number one
[1:55:21] thing that we should all be building
[1:55:22] ourselves up to. Whether it's
[1:55:24] accountability to each other,
[1:55:25] accountability to the staff for
[1:55:27] accountability to the people that voted
[1:55:28] us up here and accountability to each
[1:55:31] other comes up real quick when we look
[1:55:33] at the fact that we just approved this. So yes, it might have taken a long
[1:55:37] time this time. Yes, it might have cost
[1:55:39] that much money which never came up in
[1:55:40] our conversations and I wish it had but
[1:55:44] nevertheless
[1:55:46] it's the same thing I I shared with you
[1:55:47] before. I mean accountability is
[1:55:49] everything. So we can't be accountable
[1:55:51] to one another. How can you ever build
[1:55:52] trust? It's not going to be advertised
[1:55:54] to break down this concept of us being
[1:55:56] on two two sides, two teams.
[1:55:59] And I'm not going to sit here and
[1:56:00] pretend like it doesn't exist. But I'm
[1:56:02] also not going to sit here and pretend
[1:56:03] like I haven't spent the last two years
[1:56:05] as council president trying everything I
[1:56:07] can to break that down, trying to get
[1:56:10] people on that other side to have
[1:56:11] conversations with me, to meet with me,
[1:56:14] to read an email and respond to it.
[1:56:18] I can't make you work together.
[1:56:23] So, there's one side or two sides. Maybe
[1:56:26] we should all start looking in the
[1:56:28] mirror.
[1:56:33] » Thank you for the discussion.
[1:56:39] One point if I could, but like I said,
[1:56:41] Josh is upset. Josh since we were young
[1:56:44] boys.
[1:56:46] Josh, when I'm speaking at I honestly
[1:56:47] didn't even know you voted. No, you
[1:56:48] weren't even in my thoughts like even I
[1:56:52] that's why I honestly I hadn't even
[1:56:55] consider you as part of I didn't hear
[1:56:56] you voted and I honestly didn't even
[1:56:59] when I made that statement you weren't
[1:57:01] even in my mind as one of the people at
[1:57:04] all.
[1:57:05] Sorry if you miss I honestly Dr. all of
[1:57:08] those and I didn't even have you already
[1:57:12] process
[1:57:14] I apologize to you
[1:57:17] that would not feel good
[1:57:21] outside you and I got to have a nice hug
[1:57:23] after this I'm sorry
[1:57:30] » for a motion
[1:57:31] >> are we ready for a motion
[1:57:34] there's any more discussion
[1:57:36] >> I'd like to make a motion to approve the
[1:57:38] findings and conclusions of the ethics
[1:57:40] committee specifically that AMC 2.2430
[1:57:45] A12 A and B were not sustained and that
[1:57:49] AMC 2.2430 2430 A12 and P was sustained.
[1:58:00] » Second
[1:58:06] discussion.
[1:58:10] » All in favor say I.
[1:58:12] >> We need to do the house.
[1:58:16] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:58:18] >> Francancy. Yes,
[1:58:25] » we're voting on sustaining the findings
[1:58:29] of the ethics committee.
[1:58:31] >> Oh, should I even vote yes on this? I
[1:58:33] should learn how to use better language
[1:58:34] than not describing my displeasure.
[1:58:38] » I have to say no because I think I'm
[1:58:41] going to a little bit of a neuter but
[1:58:43] that would be my coverage.
[1:58:45] >> Yes.
[1:58:46] >> Point.
[1:58:47] >> Yes.
[1:58:48] >> Nipper. Yes,
[1:58:49] >> Fredo.
[1:58:50] >> Yes,
[1:58:51] >> Raj.
[1:58:52] >> Yes,
[1:58:52] >> Shaw.
[1:58:53] >> Yes,
[1:58:55] >> Taylor.
[1:58:57] >> Wilson.
[1:58:58] >> Yes.
[1:59:00] Motion passes with 10 yeses of
[1:59:04] >> like to make a motion to approve
[1:59:06] administering the recommended verbal
[1:59:08] admonition under AMC 2.24
[1:59:11] 050D.
[1:59:17] I think we already you already
[1:59:22] second
[1:59:31] to get on
[1:59:37] say no.
[1:59:39] Yes.
[1:59:42] No.
[1:59:51] punishment. I'll say yes, but
[2:00:04] you see there was three clues. Sorry,
[2:00:08] David.
[2:00:11] That's territori.
[2:00:20] » The committee recommends that the
[2:00:22] council approve and deliver the
[2:00:24] following verbal admonishment.
[2:00:27] Council member Gen, the city council
[2:00:29] recognizes that the council members may
[2:00:32] disagree on matters before the council
[2:00:34] and may express differing views
[2:00:36] concerning motions, appointments,
[2:00:38] policies, and other official actions.
[2:00:41] Such disagreements should remain focused
[2:00:43] as coming to the subject issue action
[2:00:48] decision under consideration and should
[2:00:51] not become persevering demeaning towards
[2:00:53] council members who hold a different a
[2:00:56] different view or cast a different vote.
[2:00:59] The council finds that characterizing
[2:01:01] the votes of individual fellow council
[2:01:04] members as disgusting in delivering that
[2:01:07] comment in a confrontational and
[2:01:09] disagreeable tone did not complain the
[2:01:11] personal workplace standards required by
[2:01:15] AMC chapter 2.24.
[2:01:18] Council admonishes you and reminds you
[2:01:21] that disagreement must be expressed with
[2:01:24] professionalism, due respect, and
[2:01:27] civility.
[2:01:38] public comments.
[2:01:50] Is there anybody else in the audience?
[2:02:03] Um, what I was saying earlier, it was
[2:02:05] just what happened.
[2:02:07] This guy has not been here physically in
[2:02:12] how many months? He's been online. He's
[2:02:14] been on Zoom. This is the first time
[2:02:15] I've seen him in forever.
[2:02:18] Um there has been a lot a lot of mint
[2:02:24] and bashing on the internet and that's
[2:02:27] okay. That's you know that's everybody's
[2:02:29] hearing his speech.
[2:02:32] Um but I have brought up to other
[2:02:36] council members why he hasn't been here
[2:02:39] physically because I remember last year
[2:02:42] you guys all got upset cuz Liz missed
[2:02:45] three meetings. Is this word
[2:02:49] physically?
[2:02:52] So just keep that in mind.
[2:02:54] >> Thank you. Before we move on to public
[2:02:56] comments also can make a motion meeting.
[2:02:59] >> I was ready. I'd like to make a motion
[2:03:02] to extend the meeting to no later than
[2:03:03] 9:15 p.m.
[2:03:05] >> Seconded
[2:03:07] by council person. All in favor say I.
[2:03:10] Hi
[2:03:17] to speak.
[2:03:18] So I have to say that this is the
[2:03:22] beginning people
[2:03:27] and I thought oh my gosh I should have
[2:03:29] talked in the beginning
[2:03:31] realiz
[2:03:34] because it didn't make a difference.
[2:03:38] So I I've lived here my whole life. I
[2:03:42] just recently been involved with city
[2:03:44] council and I found out there were 12 of
[2:03:47] you. But I do know one thing life is my
[2:03:52] neighbor. He's on the city council. Wait
[2:03:55] signs. He didn't come in my door. I
[2:03:57] don't even know what he stands for. It's
[2:04:00] because he ran out of the hopes
[2:04:03] and I only had one choice. I'll knock
[2:04:05] out. Don't vote for him. it matter. So
[2:04:09] don't
[2:04:10] I feel that happens a lot in our state.
[2:04:13] I feel there's too many there's not
[2:04:16] enough there's too many positions for
[2:04:18] people
[2:04:21] and what I heard here tonight was my
[2:04:25] mind my voice
[2:04:27] my
[2:04:33] people voted you
[2:04:35] maybe maybe they didn't vote for you but
[2:04:37] you still
[2:04:39] is it takes away the choice of your
[2:04:41] constituents
[2:04:44] because we don't we don't have any
[2:04:46] competition.
[2:04:48] They don't care platforms. We don't have
[2:04:51] to make a decision. Like it just happens
[2:04:53] a lot here. And um and I for me that was
[2:04:58] the main point having fewer people. So
[2:05:02] then I had no choice.
[2:05:04] That's
[2:05:06] so maybe next time it comes to discuss
[2:05:09] again.
[2:05:12] Maybe we'll think about giving the
[2:05:15] people choice to hear the people
[2:05:19] competition.
[2:05:23] See some things besides the name and the
[2:05:26] heart seat that we know nothing about.
[2:05:31] Thank you.
[2:05:40] War. Some of you may know me. Like,
[2:05:42] first of all, thank Mr. Bradley for
[2:05:44] meeting with me the other day. He was my
[2:05:47] opponent that we saw eye on some of the
[2:05:50] things in our board. And
[2:05:55] I think you guys really need to know
[2:05:58] some of this stuff because some of you
[2:06:00] are new to the council and got voted in
[2:06:03] before you. And talking with Mr. Rajie,
[2:06:08] he didn't know that there's a roundabout
[2:06:10] proposed and it's been on in the works
[2:06:13] for a long time and it is part of the
[2:06:18] overpass
[2:06:20] to go over the trains.
[2:06:22] Mr. Rajic also didn't know that our
[2:06:25] award is a there's a small section out
[2:06:29] at Aberdine Lake.
[2:06:32] I think that when people are brought in
[2:06:36] after winning, they need to be updated
[2:06:40] on a lot of this stuff, not just thrown
[2:06:44] in willy-nilly,
[2:06:46] because it's hurting us, the people.
[2:06:50] And you guys, I've been coming to
[2:06:53] meetings, you are my fifth council,
[2:06:57] and you guys have always backstabbed
[2:07:00] each other. I've seen small groups
[2:07:03] ousted people that was on the council
[2:07:06] for years
[2:07:08] and then they got ousted because they
[2:07:11] didn't want them there. They didn't vote
[2:07:13] their way. You guys need to work
[2:07:15] together to help us. I don't know if
[2:07:19] going down in size is going to help, but
[2:07:23] this council I saw it tonight. I haven't
[2:07:26] been here for a while, but you guys are
[2:07:28] doing a little bit better than the last
[2:07:31] counc. I'll give you that. Thank you.
[2:07:35] >> Thank you.
[2:07:37] >> Any other public comments?
[2:07:41] Close public comments. Is there anything
[2:07:43] for the good?
[2:07:48] Want to shout out our public works team?
[2:07:51] I was doing some work around my
[2:07:53] property. called a couple pretty dig
[2:07:55] guys who were out there. They missed the
[2:07:58] water by about 18 in, which I think is
[2:08:00] in the margin of error, but nonetheless,
[2:08:03] I I nicked the line and it was an old
[2:08:05] steel pipe and the public works team,
[2:08:07] the the truck was out there seriously
[2:08:09] within 25 minutes and were ended up
[2:08:12] being a little bit more involved than I
[2:08:13] think they thought, but they were there
[2:08:15] and at least patched the leak and now
[2:08:16] everything's fixed and I have a new well
[2:08:18] the city has new water line that goes to
[2:08:20] my neighborhood. So, just want to shout
[2:08:21] them out because they were great in
[2:08:23] professional and figured they need to
[2:08:26] shout out.
[2:08:28] >> I got one out recently. Um, I reported a
[2:08:33] Sorry. Um, I reported a few weeks back.
[2:08:39] They repaired it.
[2:08:45] Okay.
[2:08:50] All right. Um, so I won't be here for
[2:08:53] August, but I want to challenge all you
[2:08:55] guys during that break to go around and
[2:08:58] talk to at least 15 people in your board
[2:09:00] and come back to the next meeting and
[2:09:03] share what they had to say. I'll join in
[2:09:05] on Zoom and I'll maybe say something,
[2:09:07] but I want to hear what your people in
[2:09:10] your board struggle with, how we can
[2:09:12] help them. So that's kind of a challenge
[2:09:14] I have for you guys during this August
[2:09:16] break.
[2:09:18] any other
[2:09:23] um
[2:09:26] was looking
[2:09:29] in Q.
[2:09:38] necessarily
[2:09:40] don't really need to be
[2:09:44] going outside and breathing air.
[2:09:49] I personally use a filter vent. I take a
[2:09:53] square fan and put on a square duct
[2:09:56] filter that is rated to reduce
[2:10:00] and such air that way
[2:10:04] out the air in the house.
[2:10:11] Good advice.
[2:10:14] I have one little
[2:10:19] saw this. It's like a map of the city.
[2:10:22] It's put on by a company that um they
[2:10:26] sell the advertising, but the map has
[2:10:29] all the highlights that um you'd want to
[2:10:33] go to if you're visiting the city. Ocean
[2:10:36] Shores does something like this. And um
[2:10:38] if it's all right with you guys, I'd
[2:10:40] like to pass this company if they'd come
[2:10:43] and look at our town. And if they'd be
[2:10:46] will it doesn't cost the city anything.
[2:10:49] It's just uh they'll create a map
[2:10:52] that'll have our trails and our bike
[2:10:54] trails and anything our highlighted
[2:10:57] things that we want tourists to be able
[2:10:58] to
[2:11:01] >> they go to the businesses and sell
[2:11:03] advertisements. Then then we have
[2:11:05] something we can give to all of our
[2:11:07] businesses downtown so that they can
[2:11:09] stay here when a tourist asks them
[2:11:11] what's what to do.
[2:11:15] uh as someone who owned a business that
[2:11:18] operated in city of Evergreen that did
[2:11:19] not have a storefront to continue to
[2:11:21] rely on advertising such as a map like
[2:11:24] that. If we pursue this and we go
[2:11:27] forward, I mean this company is then
[2:11:29] contacting businesses in our city asking
[2:11:31] them for advertising space. I cannot
[2:11:34] stress enough the importance behind a
[2:11:36] press release because there are several
[2:11:39] companies like that that are scams and
[2:11:42] then our small business owners are
[2:11:43] paying anywhere from $200 to $600 for an
[2:11:46] advertisement that is then not purchased
[2:11:49] by the municipality or whichever
[2:11:51] business those are to be displayed at.
[2:11:54] So if you do need to do this, please
[2:11:56] consider a press release so that we are
[2:11:58] helping our small businesses and
[2:12:00] operating. Yeah, we we did something
[2:12:02] like this with the bands that are out
[2:12:04] right now throughout the city and that
[2:12:07] company um asked me to do a video so
[2:12:10] that they could send and use it as a
[2:12:12] selling tool. So that showed that we
[2:12:15] were legitimately behind it. So yeah, I
[2:12:18] think a press release is
[2:12:22] » very different from like
[2:12:28] different.
[2:12:32] » Yeah, this this would have five trails
[2:12:35] our lake
[2:12:38] walking trails or parks. That's our
[2:12:41] average doesn't do any of that. They
[2:12:44] just show hard work which is important.
[2:12:51] » Given the times that we're now
[2:12:57] » Yes, we would.
[2:12:59] >> Second.
[2:13:00] >> I didn't There are legal requirements.
[2:13:02] Please let me back up.
[2:13:03] >> Okay. I'd like to make a motion for us
[2:13:05] to go into our executive session
[2:13:07] according to RCW4230.110
[2:13:10] for consideration of second selection or
[2:13:12] application of grant safe purchase
[2:13:15] and likelihood that disclosure within
[2:13:18] price for no more than 30 minutes with
[2:13:20] no action expected after the session.
[2:13:23] >> Second.
[2:13:24] >> All in favor say I. Excuse
[2:13:30] me.
[2:13:32] I need to go through
[2:14:02] probably
[2:14:22] Yes, ma'am.
[2:14:38] Or is that
[2:14:56] stole mine? I stole my
[2:15:08] English.
[2:15:15] We have
[2:15:40] does.
[2:16:01] So I still
[2:16:16] need a like recommendation or reference
[2:16:18] or anything.
[2:16:32] down there.
[2:16:37] Nice.