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I will now call to order the July 27th,

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2026 city of Abling, Kansas City

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Commission meeting. Shayla, may we

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please have a roll call.

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>> Mayor Rin,

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>> here.

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>> Commissioner Taylor here.

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>> Commissioner Kolhoff, present.

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>> Commissioner Lidle,

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>> yes.

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>> Mr. Meisenberg,

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>> here. Roll call's complete. Okay, if we

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please stand for the pledge.

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I pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the

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republic for which it stands nation

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indivisible with liberty and all.

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[clears throat]

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>> All right. And our first item is the

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approval of today's agenda.

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I make a motion we approve as written.

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>> A second.

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>> Motion has been moved and seconded. Do

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we have any commission discussion?

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» Seeing none, we'll roll call vote. Vice

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Mayor Taylor?

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>> Yes.

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>> Commissioner Koloff?

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>> I.

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>> Commissioner Lidle?

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>> Yes.

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>> Commissioner Meisenberg?

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>> Yes.

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>> Myself? Yes. Motion carries. Our next

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item is the consent agenda which

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consists of those multiple items in

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there.

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I'll make a motion we approve as

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written.

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>> I'll second.

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>> Motion has been moved and seconded. Do

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we have any commission discussion?

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» Seeing none with a roll call vote.

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Commissioner Koloff.

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>> I.

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>> Commissioner Lidle?

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>> Yes.

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>> Commissioner Meisenberg?

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>> Yes.

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>> Vice Mayor Taylor?

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>> Yes.

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>> Myself? Yes. Motion carries. Our next

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item under heading six, public comments

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communications is a public forum. If

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there's anyone that would like to

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address the commission on an item not on

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our current agenda, they may do so at

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this time.

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If you could just state your name,

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address, and there is a threeminute time

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limit.

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» Okay. My name is Cindy Peterson. Address

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is 709 Northwest 11th Abene, Kansas. Um

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we are going to put a map for you on the

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property I am looking at. It says, "Good

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afternoon, mayor and commissioners.

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Thank you for the opportunity to speak

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with you. I am requesting consideration

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for the purchase of the cityowned lot at

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800 North Vine. We currently own the

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property immediately in the front of

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that lot and acquire this parture would

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allow us to improve and maintain the

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property while creating opportunities

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further development. Our plan is to

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clean up the lot by removing the dead

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trees and eliminating the poison ivy

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that continues spread throughout the

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property. We have opport obtained

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estimates and expect these improvements

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to cost approximately 15,000. We are

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prepared to make the investment

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ourselves because we believe property

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has potential and would be an asset to

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the neighborhood and properly

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maintained. Looking ahead, we own the

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property on the north and have discussed

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the possibility of constructing a duplex

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on the combined properties. The current

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lot does not have significant frontage

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in the development in the particular

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manner on its own. By combining the two

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partials, we would have adequate

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frontage and a more functional building

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site. We're still maintaining

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appropriate space around the function

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structure. I would ask the commissioners

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to consider the economics of the

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project. An estimated value of frontage

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was that we own is about $6,200 and we

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anticipate spreading about 15 just to

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clean up the dead trees and the poison

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ivy. That means an investment in the

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property would be about 21,000 before

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any future development takes place. In

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addition, comparable usage lots areas

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have land value on the south side of

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19,900

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on the north side and 910 north fine is

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195. The cleanup cost and loan con

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combined with the current estimate value

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of the property would exceed those

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values before any construction or

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additional improvements are made. Giving

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that significant upfront expense, we

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would re respectfully request

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consideration of a reduced purchase

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price that recognize the current

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condition of the property and

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substantial investment requirements to

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be made it usable. We believe this

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purchase would benefit everyone

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involved. The property would be cleaned

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up, maintained by a private owner rather

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than maintained an unutilized cityowned

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lot. It has also returned the property

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to a tax roles generate property tax

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revenue for the city and other tax taxes

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entitlements. In the future, any

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residential federal in the property

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would further increase its taxable value

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and property additional long-term

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revenue to the community. I thank you

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for your time and consideration and I'd

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be happy to answer any questions.

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>> Thank you, Cindy. And I think uh inter

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city manager, you said you guys have

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already discussed this a little bit.

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>> Yes, sir. City staff discussed the uh

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potential future use by the city of that

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parcel. Uh and we do not anticipate any

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future use. It's landlocked. Uh so

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there's nothing we can do with it. Um,

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what we're looking for is I invited Miss

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Peterson here to make their desire known

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and if it's the uh consensus of the

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commission, then staff will start to uh

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work with her on a possible

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um [clears throat]

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offer and the whole process to sell the

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lot.

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>> Okay. What is the current policy on

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selling city land? Uh

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>> it's any real property transactions

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require commission approval. That's it.

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I'm all for it.

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good.

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>> Thank you, Cindy.

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» Do we have anyone else uh in the

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audience that would like to address the

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commission on an item not on our current

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agenda?

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Okay, seeing none, we will move to item

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6B, Abling Public Library 2027 budget

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presentation. Dr. Molton.

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» Hey. Um, I think I'm gonna pull up my

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PowerPoint here. I just have a little I

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didn't know how much information you all

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wanted this year. It's been kind of

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sporadic and different over the years.

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So, um, I'm happy to listen to feedback,

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too, of what all information you want

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for future years from the library.

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Um but I think um the manager Quinday

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included the copy um we sent to him for

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the library budget for 2027.

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And a lot has been involved with the

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library board and the finance committee

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of the library board developing this

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budget. Um but I'm just going to give

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you a brief overview for that. Our

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little mission statement here. Oh, I can change it myself.

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Okay, just for a little mission

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statement there.

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we go. It said on but it wasn't.

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Um there's a little overview about um

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library tax um funds and li other

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library funding. Um and you can see our

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other sources of revenue there listed um

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besides the tax levy. But uh for next

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year our percentage is 89.8%

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will be from tax revenue and 10.2 from

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other funds like our endowment grants

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and um any fees we charge here like for

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copies and printing and faxing and

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things like that.

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Um, and just uh some brief overviews of

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what it went into putting together this

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budget and changes from last year. Um,

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like we used the same employee benefits

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plan as the city. So the same increase

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applies for our budget. Um, and this

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year to kind of offset that, we decided

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to cut benefits for our part-time

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employees um that we will hire in the

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future. So, we don't have to have that

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budget cushion. Um, and the total for

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the employee benefits is 2.45633

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of the mills that the 8.22 mills that we

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have. That much is just to cover the

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employee benefits. Um,

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and the budget has a 2% increase for

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staff salaries. And as um, you know, we

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did zero last year with you all. And

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that total amount of money to get the 2%

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is $8,674.

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the other line items, any increases are

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for maintenance,

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utilities, and then we're really trying

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to u make sure we have all those

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reoccurring expenses calculated

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correctly for software, the phone,

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internet, insurance, and we just got a

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new copier. So, we're still trying to

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figure out what the actual costs of

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that's going to end up being. So, it

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might go up or down. We're not sure yet.

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We've only had it for we've only had one

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bill so far. So, it's hard to calculate

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what we should know more in a few

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months, but just to make sure those are

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all in there. And um pretty much every

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line item is budgeted as like our actual

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expenses that we anticipate. Um

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and besides reducing the employee

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benefits, we um supplemented with $8,000

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from our endowment fund to keep the mill

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levy at 8.22. and that required

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eliminating um our Hoopla app that

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patrons use for ebooks, audiobooks,

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videos, music, and magazines. Um we'll

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have to cancel that for 2027 um to get

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to the 8.22 ms.

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Wonder if the battery is dying.

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And just a little bit more about the

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budget. In 2025, we our cash balance in

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our general fund was $24,458.

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So that's what we have to carry over

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into 2026.

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Um and we didn't budget any in 2026 to

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increase that at all. So,

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um, and just a little overview of, um,

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some of the budget issues that we're all

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facing. The city faces the same thing

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where if people don't pay pay their

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property taxes, we don't collect that

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money. So, we're anticipating to collect

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that amount, but we don't. Um, and with

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like limited other sources of income,

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it's hard for us to make up that

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difference. So these are the amounts of

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um money we had anticipated for those

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years that we didn't receive um because

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people um didn't were delinquent in

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their taxes. And then um the so it's

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about 4.95%

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just for property tax and if you offset

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it with people who paid their past

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delinquencies brings it down to 3.55%.

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So for 2027, our projected shortfall

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so incorporated into the budget, we got

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it to 17,800, which probably won't be

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quite enough, but that's um what we were

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able to get that number to. So we're

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anticipating um not having that revenue.

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So we budgeted that in this year.

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And just some fun things I uh was

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looking at some stats and for from

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January to June of this year I compared

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to last year and we have library visits

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are up 15.5%.

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So 15.5% more people are coming in here

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than last year. Um circulation of

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physical items is up 6.6% and the

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digital circulation is up 16% over last

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year. And so far this year, we've gotten

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$55,000 in grants. Um, which of course

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we can't spend for like operating

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expenses or utilities, but for other

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special projects that we're able to do

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um since we got that grant money. So,

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and that includes children's literacy.

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Um this year adult literacy projects

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will probably my training will start

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this year but the projects will probably

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start next year for adult um literacy

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and computer literacy for adults. Um we

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I think we all know like the age of AI

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is kind of scary for especially our

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older citizens uh even younger ones to

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determine you know what's real and

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what's not anymore. So, we're hoping to

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focus on some digital digital literacy

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skills next year and um also some

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building projects.

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Um some door automatic door openers for

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our restrooms um because they're not the

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doors are the the bathrooms are really

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nice for um any person in a wheelchair,

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but getting into them is hard cuz the

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doors aren't don't have openers and

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they're really heavy. So, we're hoping

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to add those um with one of our grant

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projects as well.

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And I love my quote from uh President

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Eisenhower. Don't be afraid to go to

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your library and read every book. So,

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take you a long time.

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Um

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and this is just um myself and my

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assistant director, Cara. And those are

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all our library board members currently.

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if you all have any other questions um

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for any of them at any time.

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Like I said, I'm happy to answer

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questions. If I don't know right now,

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I'm happy to find the answer for you.

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And um if you want specific things for

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this kind of presentation in the future

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years, just let me know. I'm happy to

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put whatever information you're looking

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for in there. So, do you have any

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questions? Now,

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>> you did have a reference to an attorney

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general's opinion 2006-4.

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Um that wasn't in our packet. Um, I just

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kind of glanced at it and um, just

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wanted maybe to make everyone else aware

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of that attorney general's opinion,

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specifically our city attorney. If we

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are going to have a discussion later,

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that might be um, that specific attorney

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general opinion was a county um,

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requesting funding, not a city. And, um,

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there are some relevant differences

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between the two. So, I just want to make

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sure that we're aware. And you know,

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frankly, from my perspective, as long as

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you're within the mil levy budget that

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the city has set, you can do whatever

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you want. And so, um, I think if you are

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needing funding beyond that, that's

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where I think you really need to maybe

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communicate early and often,

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>> um, because that would require changing

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that, I believe. I'm not sure about what

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the attorney general thinks, but I think

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we'll have to change that um, ordinance

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if you're going to need funding beyond

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that.

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>> Yeah, like I said, the board got it down

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to the 8.2 by cutting those few things

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for next year. Um, but we'll have to

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look at what that future holds next year

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about what we can do then. So, and if I

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think they're comfortable either way, if

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they really feel like because we've

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considered next steps would be cutting

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hours um and cutting other services and

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programs. So,

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but we made it work for next year.

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» Any further questions for Director Mold?

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No, I appreciate your PowerPoint and

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I've only heard good things about the

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library. So, I say that every time, but

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it's true. So,

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>> well, we left our tables here. We have

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Rodeo Queens coming to read to the kids

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in the morning. So, we were trying to

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get set up a little early. Uh last

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Tuesday, Cinderella, we had about 108

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people, I think. So, we're expecting a

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We always have a big crowd for the rodeo

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queens. So, um that's what these tables

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are are here for. So

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>> very excited about that.

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>> Yeah,

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» thank you.

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» Might actually work now.

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» Okay, moving on to heading seven,

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unfinished business. First up is 7A,

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consider approval of a Kansas Department

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of Transportation airport grant

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agreement. Interim city manager Quind

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Day.

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>> Thank you. Tonight, uh staff is asking

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the commission to consider approving the

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KOT airport grant agreement so that the

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city can accept the state funding and

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move forward with the T- hanger

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replacement project. As you uh remember,

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the commission has discussed this

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project, the funding strategy, and the

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replacement of the tornado damaged

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hangers for more than a year. Tonight's

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action is simply to approve the grant

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agreement so those funds can become part

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of the overall project financing. Uh

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this grant, as you know, is just one

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piece of the overall funding package. Uh

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the project is funded through three

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primary sources. the uh Federal Aviation

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Administration, the KOT grant that's

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before you, and then the city's required

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local contribution.

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Um the agreement establishes K DOT's

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participation in the project. Under the

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agreement, KOT will reimburse 50% of the

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participating costs up to a maximum of

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$333,700.

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You'll see in your packet that the

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estimate that we're going with is around

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292,000.

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Um but if those prices increase, we can

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get up to 333.

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The city's responsible for the remaining

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participating cost once KOT's maximum uh

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participation is reached. And we're also

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responsible for any non-participating

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cost. Um there's standard grant

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provisions. They're outlined in article

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two of the agreement. Uh that's on page

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42 of your packet.

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Uh, and also in your packet is an

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updated funding plan which provides for

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the overall financial picture of the

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project. Current estimated project cost

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is $1.65 million and combines federal,

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state, and local funding over multiple

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funding years. The FAA uh remains the

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largest funding source, approximately

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940,000.

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ADOT providing funding uh we're

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estimating 292,500

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but up to 333,000.

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and then the city's local share would be

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uh the $292,000.

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Um [clears throat] the agreement allows

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the city to leverage significant federal

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and state funding to replace that

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infrastructure that was lost in the

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tornado.

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One question that's come up uh in the

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year that I've been here is whether the

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airport will construct six or eight

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hangers. Commission has had a lot of

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discussion the grant application and

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then the agreement addresses that

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directly. The project will be bid with a

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sixth place T-hanger as the base bid,

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eight place T- hanger as the alternate

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bid, but the grant application uh was

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written at the cost for the uh eight

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hangers. So that way um if the engineers

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are close on that cost, then we can do

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the eight hangers if they come in

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significant.

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It is for uh replacing eight of those

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hangers. So, our intent is to construct

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the largest project completed with the

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available funding. Um, that's on the

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application on pages 56 and 63.

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Um, the application also explains that

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replacing the hangers helps the airport

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maintain its minimum number of based

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aircraft needed to preserve future FAA

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entitlement funding. Um, it further

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notes that there's currently 11 aircraft

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on the hanger waiting list,

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demonstrating that demand already exists

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for additional hanger space. Replacing

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the hangers not only restores the

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infrastructure with loss, but also helps

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protect the airport's long-term

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eligibility uh for federal investment in

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the future. So, we recommend that the

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commission approve the grant agreement

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and authorize the mayor and staff to

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execute the related documents so that we

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can accept the grant funding and

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continue moving the project forward.

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Any questions for staff on this one?

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Um, your page numbers aren't lining up

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with the online one here, so I'm having

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trouble finding that, but you said that

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there is no obligation to build an eight

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place hanger with either this or the

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federal grant.

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>> Correct. Uh, the project is being bid

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for six hangers uh and eight place or

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eight hangers as an alternate bid. The

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grant application was written at the uh

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estimated cost for eight hangers.

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And I guess that's exactly what you said

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I think previously that I wanted to

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clarify. So if the estimated cost was

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for eight, that's there's not an

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obligation to build eight. It's just we

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might get less grant funds if we build

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six.

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>> Correct.

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>> Thank you.

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>> Yes. And this um approving this grant

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agreement tonight does not obligate you

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to six or eight. Uh that'll be when the

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bids come in and uh you authorize the

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construction contract.

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» Yeah. Yeah. And that was the only thing

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I had on there to note was I think our

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stated preference is aid if we can make

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it work.

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>> That's how the funding was written in.

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» Any further questions?

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I'll make a motion to consider the

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approval of a Kansas Department of

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Transportation Airport Grant Agreement.

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>> I'll second.

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>> Motion has been moved and seconded. Do

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we have any commission discussion?

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Seeing none, I'm a roll call vote.

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Commissioner Lidle,

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>> yes.

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>> Commissioner Meisenberg,

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>> yes.

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>> Vice Mayor Taylor,

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>> yes.

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>> Commissioner Kolhoff,

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>> hi.

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>> Myself, yes. Motion carries. Our next

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item is 7B. Consider ground lease

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agreement for fairgrounds concessions

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concession buildings. Interim city

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manager Gwendai.

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>> Yeah, this has to do with the U

550
00:22:57,360 --> 00:22:59,039
concession buildings that are on city

551
00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:01,600
owned property at the fairgrounds. The

552
00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:03,760
item tonight was originally uh prepared

553
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,159
to ask the commission to approve the

554
00:23:06,159 --> 00:23:07,919
lease agreement that's in your packet as

555
00:23:07,919 --> 00:23:10,480
to form and set an annual rental amount

556
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,280
for the buildings. Uh but since that

557
00:23:13,280 --> 00:23:15,120
agenda was prepared, the owner of the

558
00:23:15,120 --> 00:23:16,799
two concession buildings that we often

559
00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:18,960
refer to as the Gaywith buildings, uh

560
00:23:18,960 --> 00:23:21,039
they're the red ones and in the poor

561
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:24,000
shape. Um those have since been sold by

562
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:27,440
Mr. Gaywith to uh a family out of

563
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,200
Chapman and the u the owner of those

564
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:33,280
buildings has looked over the lease and

565
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,280
is acceptable to it depending on what

566
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:39,919
the um the annual rental amount is for

567
00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:42,320
the city. So, if the commission were to

568
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:44,799
approve the lease as to form tonight, uh

569
00:23:44,799 --> 00:23:46,559
we would intend to use this agreement as

570
00:23:46,559 --> 00:23:47,919
a standard ground lease for the

571
00:23:47,919 --> 00:23:49,919
remaining concession building owners

572
00:23:49,919 --> 00:23:52,000
with the exception of the central Kansas

573
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,280
free that's already covered by them. Uh

574
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,880
tailoring it only as necessary to

575
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,960
reflect the applicable building uh

576
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:01,120
ownership information

577
00:24:01,120 --> 00:24:03,360
um which is consistent with the

578
00:24:03,360 --> 00:24:06,080
recommendation your packet. But what we

579
00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:08,159
will do is uh if you're comfortable with

580
00:24:08,159 --> 00:24:12,240
it is ask you to set a lease amount for

581
00:24:12,240 --> 00:24:14,640
um the two buildings since that owner is

582
00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,919
agreeable to the um lease as as it's

583
00:24:17,919 --> 00:24:20,880
presented to you and then authorize the

584
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:24,480
mayor to uh execute that lease.

585
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:26,000
I don't think it has to be done tonight

586
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,520
if you want to take a look at it. um

587
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:31,919
actually might be better if you wait uh

588
00:24:31,919 --> 00:24:33,600
till the August 10th meeting because

589
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:35,120
depending on what you said is the annual

590
00:24:35,120 --> 00:24:38,159
rent that may change the uh building

591
00:24:38,159 --> 00:24:39,679
owner's

592
00:24:39,679 --> 00:24:43,919
um decision. Also,

593
00:24:43,919 --> 00:24:46,880
uh there is a section in there, section

594
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,440
9.4 four in there that requires the

595
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:51,760
tenant at their expense to make sure the

596
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,000
concession buildings are brought into

597
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:55,840
compliance with the applicical city

598
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:57,760
building codes and to obtain

599
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:00,320
certificates of occupancy by June 30th

600
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,760
of 2027. That gives them a year to bring

601
00:25:03,760 --> 00:25:05,760
specifically those two buildings uh that

602
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:09,520
Mr. Gaywith used to own up to code um

603
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:12,480
and that get a certificate of occupancy.

604
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,880
If by

605
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,760
uh they don't say they accept the the

606
00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,320
lease as written and uh they don't get

607
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,840
it done by that date, the lease

608
00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,799
automatically terminates.

609
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:26,720
I would personally like to see this on a

610
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,720
study session. I think there's I'm not

611
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,120
sure what time frame the free fair's

612
00:25:31,120 --> 00:25:32,640
range is that it covers the lease of

613
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,159
that building or whatever it is they're

614
00:25:34,159 --> 00:25:36,720
paying back to the the free fair, but I

615
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,279
don't feel like there's any urgency to

616
00:25:39,279 --> 00:25:40,640
ramrod this through. And I think

617
00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,640
especially without any money, I think a

618
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:44,000
lot of those other questions are up in

619
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,760
the air. So I'd like to do a study

620
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,440
session and maybe chat with. Seems like

621
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:49,200
we have a new owner than we were even

622
00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,440
contemplating 3 months ago or the last

623
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:52,720
time this came in front of us. So I'd

624
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,799
like to get some input from them and

625
00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:56,640
potentially I don't know if there's

626
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,320
other building owners. I know the fair

627
00:25:58,320 --> 00:25:59,760
owns one of those buildings. I think

628
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,279
maybe there's another private owner as

629
00:26:01,279 --> 00:26:04,159
well. Is that accurate? Yeah, there's a

630
00:26:04,159 --> 00:26:06,240
private owner that uh I've asked the

631
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:07,600
city attorney to send a letter to

632
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,919
because she's not responding to our uh

633
00:26:09,919 --> 00:26:14,640
request to review the lease. Um this

634
00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,240
basically what we're asking for and

635
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,880
Aaron can weigh in on this is when Mr.

636
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:20,720
Gaywith came to the city and said he

637
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,240
wanted to sell those and wanted our

638
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,720
permission. We can't find a lease.

639
00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:26,240
There's not a lease on record at the

640
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,000
courthouse and none of the people who

641
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,240
say they own those buildings to provide

642
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:34,240
a lease with the city. Um so and Erin

643
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,480
maybe you can explain if absent a lease

644
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,200
how that those structures are treated.

645
00:26:41,200 --> 00:26:43,679
>> Sure. As uh Mr. Quundai mentioned

646
00:26:43,679 --> 00:26:45,440
there's no evidence that we were able to

647
00:26:45,440 --> 00:26:48,880
find that the occupancy has been

648
00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,440
formalized or that the structure has

649
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,320
been severed in terms of ownership from

650
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,159
the underlying real estate which is

651
00:26:56,159 --> 00:26:59,279
clearly owned by the city as the record

652
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:01,760
owner of the whole fairgrounds. So in

653
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:04,159
Kansas, the default rule if if we do

654
00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:07,120
wish to recognize any form of lease is

655
00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:11,279
that the law will supply and imply the

656
00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:13,120
terms of it in the absence of a written

657
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:15,039
agreement. And again, that assumes it's

658
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:18,159
actually a lease uh in the first place.

659
00:27:18,159 --> 00:27:20,480
But if if there is a lease and we don't

660
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,279
have all the material terms, then it's

661
00:27:23,279 --> 00:27:25,919
deemed a tenency at will and terminable

662
00:27:25,919 --> 00:27:28,320
at any time by the landlord, which is

663
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:30,720
the city upon 30 days advanced written

664
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,840
notice. So uh the correspondence will

665
00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,799
advise that we wish to formalize in the

666
00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:38,720
same manner as this lease or whatever it

667
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:41,679
is that you all approve and if an agre

668
00:27:41,679 --> 00:27:43,760
agreement is not reached then we have no

669
00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:45,360
choice but to treat it as a tenency at

670
00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:48,000
will and possibly terminate it that

671
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:50,559
would be a decision to make as well but

672
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:53,679
that is the those are the implied terms

673
00:27:53,679 --> 00:27:55,440
uh in the absence of a written agreement

674
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,640
that spells those out

675
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:00,480
and I guess for the purposes of a study

676
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,200
session Uh the lease

677
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,039
um

678
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:07,039
describes the property being lease, the

679
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:08,640
permitted uses, the maintenance

680
00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:10,960
responsibility, utilities, insurance,

681
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,440
alterations, inspections, default

682
00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,600
provisions, and termination procedures.

683
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:19,200
Um I guess for a study session, I don't

684
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:20,880
what additional information the

685
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:25,679
commission would like us to bring. Uh

686
00:28:25,679 --> 00:28:27,200
I guess characterizing this as a

687
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,440
standard lease except for provision 9.4.

688
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:30,799
for

689
00:28:30,799 --> 00:28:32,399
>> I think more than anything I think it

690
00:28:32,399 --> 00:28:35,440
would be how much can the place support

691
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:37,679
lease-wise, moneywise? Um, have they

692
00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:40,159
been have these properties any of them

693
00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:43,039
been paying anything over the past prior

694
00:28:43,039 --> 00:28:44,000
years?

695
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,559
>> Uh, no. We've had no lease had no leases

696
00:28:46,559 --> 00:28:48,640
with them. Uh, it's my understanding

697
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,279
that they pay the fair board $300 to

698
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:52,640
operate during the fair.

699
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:56,480
>> Okay. But as far as uh a lease amount to

700
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,480
be on our property, no, there's no

701
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,279
record of it. And our recommendation

702
00:29:01,279 --> 00:29:03,360
would be

703
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,159
something is uh $100 and that would take

704
00:29:06,159 --> 00:29:07,760
care of, you know, any paperwork that we

705
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:09,600
have to do or inspections, things like

706
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:10,000
that.

707
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,159
>> And $100 a month or per year?

708
00:29:12,159 --> 00:29:12,640
>> Per year.

709
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:13,279
>> Okay.

710
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:14,720
>> Because I was looking at the insurance

711
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:16,240
requirements, too. Do you know if they

712
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,559
currently have to have that level of

713
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:21,279
insurance on it for to operate out of

714
00:29:21,279 --> 00:29:22,399
the fair board?

715
00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:24,159
>> No, not what the fair board requirements

716
00:29:24,159 --> 00:29:26,159
are, I'm not aware of. Okay. And that's

717
00:29:26,159 --> 00:29:28,000
why we think it's important to have an

718
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,880
actual lease since it's on the real

719
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,200
property owned by the city to have those

720
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:34,640
things spelled out

721
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:35,520
>> within the lease.

722
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,000
>> I just didn't know what that um a policy

723
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,799
like that would would cost, you know,

724
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:43,360
somebody to operate that over the year.

725
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,919
Um, so that would be my question is

726
00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:48,559
whether it'd be financially feasible for

727
00:29:48,559 --> 00:29:50,720
an operator to pay that level of

728
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:53,440
insurance to justify it throughout the

729
00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:54,640
year.

730
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:56,159
>> I thought our previous discussion was

731
00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:57,360
that they couldn't use it outside of the

732
00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:58,240
fair anyway.

733
00:29:58,240 --> 00:29:59,520
>> I mean that's what I meant through the

734
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:00,960
fair. I mean to justify it.

735
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:02,080
>> I think the discussions we've had

736
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,200
previously when we've discussed those

737
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:04,320
buildings that may have been before your

738
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:05,120
time

739
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:05,840
>> probably. So

740
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,200
>> but was that they weren't allowed to use

741
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:08,399
those those buildings for

742
00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:10,480
>> right just three weeks renting them

743
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:11,679
something that they can't use.

744
00:30:11,679 --> 00:30:14,000
>> Yeah.

745
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:15,520
I I'm

746
00:30:15,520 --> 00:30:17,840
>> They do use them uh during the fair

747
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,200
time. Now, uh Mr. Gaywith, I believe,

748
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:23,360
used them. I'm not sure if he did at the

749
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:26,480
last fair. And the um what's the last

750
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,360
name, not Martinez? Lucero

751
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:30,159
>> Sora.

752
00:30:30,159 --> 00:30:33,120
family out of Chapman plans on

753
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:34,640
using them during this fair.

754
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:35,200
>> Okay.

755
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,200
>> But that they already have an agreement

756
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,039
with the fair for those for that period

757
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:41,360
of time. I I think it's the same thing

758
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,120
that any food vendor whether you're

759
00:30:43,120 --> 00:30:47,120
mobile or in a building would pay

760
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,279
the two different um items. One, the

761
00:30:51,279 --> 00:30:54,320
fair charges v food vendors to operate

762
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,159
uh as part of the fair's revenue.

763
00:30:56,159 --> 00:30:57,440
Vendors pay that because they think

764
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:58,799
they'll make a you know profit

765
00:30:58,799 --> 00:31:02,960
operating. This is they have buildings

766
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,720
on city- [snorts] owned property. We

767
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,000
have nothing that governs, you know,

768
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:09,760
those types of things as far as their

769
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:11,600
responsibilities, our responsibilities,

770
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,840
what they can use them for. It's all up

771
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:15,679
in the air. So,

772
00:31:15,679 --> 00:31:17,919
>> my only concern would be is I don't want

773
00:31:17,919 --> 00:31:20,399
to put anything in place monetarily wise

774
00:31:20,399 --> 00:31:23,039
that would hinder them from wanting to

775
00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:25,360
continue operating would be my only

776
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:27,600
>> right. Uh the one building and I

777
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,679
couldn't tell you it's the one closest

778
00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:31,679
to the carnival is the one they plan on

779
00:31:31,679 --> 00:31:33,919
using. they do not plan on using the one

780
00:31:33,919 --> 00:31:35,919
on the other side because they realize

781
00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:38,960
it needs to be fixed up. So, uh getting

782
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:43,120
these this lease in place, uh

783
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,039
this family will they say they're going

784
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:46,320
to fix it up. They've already started

785
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,480
working on the one and we give them a

786
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,120
year to bring it up to code.

787
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:52,320
I guess my biggest question when I was

788
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,760
looking through that lease was, you

789
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,159
know, are there any comparable lease

790
00:31:56,159 --> 00:31:58,320
amounts from other I know it's kind of a

791
00:31:58,320 --> 00:31:59,360
unique situation, but

792
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,360
>> yeah, I mean, we're fine if it's a

793
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:05,519
dollar. It's our goal is to get uh the

794
00:32:05,519 --> 00:32:10,000
basic terms outlined. So the uh building

795
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,480
owners if if you will know what's

796
00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:14,480
expected of them for being on city

797
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:21,120
property and then city knows what the building tenants or owners are

798
00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:22,880
responsible for. Right now there's

799
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,640
nothing.

800
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:27,279
Well, knowing that the yearly rate can

801
00:32:27,279 --> 00:32:28,799
be next to nothing, the only thing that

802
00:32:28,799 --> 00:32:30,320
I would be concerned about is how much

803
00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,320
they'd have to pay for that insurance

804
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:35,279
requirement and whether that would be a

805
00:32:35,279 --> 00:32:37,760
um hindrance to them or not. If we could

806
00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:39,039
find that out, then I would be

807
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:40,799
definitely just pull the trigger and

808
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:42,640
have them sign that lease written as it

809
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:43,279
is.

810
00:32:43,279 --> 00:32:47,120
>> I'm not sure on that amount. Uh but Mrs.

811
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:49,840
Goria brought the lease back signed.

812
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,720
>> Okay. And I told her that

813
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:54,399
we need to bring this before you first,

814
00:32:54,399 --> 00:32:55,840
make sure you're okay with it, and then

815
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:59,039
we would ask her to sign it.

816
00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:02,399
>> I'm okay with Miss Gwith or Mrs. Sora,

817
00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:04,159
did you say, has signed it already?

818
00:33:04,159 --> 00:33:06,000
>> Yes, there's actually they put two

819
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,600
people's name on there, but we require

820
00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,200
that they provide us with a bill of

821
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,519
sale. Uh, and there's only one name on

822
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:12,640
the bill of sale.

823
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,799
>> Okay. I'd be okay with moving forward

824
00:33:14,799 --> 00:33:16,799
with the lease if if they're okay with

825
00:33:16,799 --> 00:33:19,120
the with the terms. Sounds like they are

826
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:21,360
based on the fact that they've already

827
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,200
>> signed it. I don't want to charge them

828
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:24,960
any more than we need to then to cover

829
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,000
the cost of processing the paperwork to

830
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:29,519
do the lease.

831
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:31,360
>> So, whatever that is on a yearly basis

832
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,480
for the admin fee, $100 a year.

833
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:35,919
>> Yeah. I mean, that just the number we

834
00:33:35,919 --> 00:33:37,919
picked. It could be anything that you

835
00:33:37,919 --> 00:33:39,600
want, but like you mentioned, we don't

836
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:40,960
want to charge them something for a

837
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:42,799
building that they're able to use a

838
00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:44,080
couple weeks ahead of year.

839
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,240
>> Same. Yeah. I don't want to stop the use

840
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:47,200
of it at all.

841
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,960
>> Right. And that was my concern.

842
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:50,080
>> This would be great to get it

843
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,159
formalized. Here's your expectations.

844
00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:53,600
Here's what you can expect from us. And

845
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,279
oh, by the way, you have to bring it up

846
00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:57,519
to code or the it goes away.

847
00:33:57,519 --> 00:33:59,200
>> Okay. Do we have to agree on the amount

848
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,440
today on the lease or is that something

849
00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:03,200
that you can negotiate?

850
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:07,919
>> Uh that's completely up to you. Uh but I preferable if you would set that

851
00:34:07,919 --> 00:34:10,560
because then when we get a hold of the

852
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:12,320
third building owner, we already have

853
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:13,440
that number set.

854
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:14,240
>> Okay.

855
00:34:14,240 --> 00:34:15,280
>> Does that make sense?

856
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:17,200
>> Yeah. I don't want to charge the uh

857
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:17,839
>> somebody different

858
00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:21,760
>> story is something different.

859
00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:22,960
>> Would there be a benefit to waiting

860
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:26,879
until after this fair is over?

861
00:34:26,879 --> 00:34:29,520
>> A benefit uh unless you there's

862
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,200
something that uh the commission

863
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,639
analysis study something you want us to

864
00:34:34,639 --> 00:34:38,079
bring back for you to consider chew on

865
00:34:38,079 --> 00:34:38,879
whatnot. [clears throat]

866
00:34:38,879 --> 00:34:41,040
Commissioner Kof, I think he said that

867
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:45,359
he would like the potential um

868
00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:47,119
at lease

869
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,599
the suras to come to a work study and

870
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,520
walk through this with you. Um not

871
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:53,440
necessarily them, but anybody else. It

872
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:55,119
sounds like we're maybe not reaching out

873
00:34:55,119 --> 00:34:57,040
or we're not finding any of the other

874
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:58,000
owners, but if we're going to have

875
00:34:58,000 --> 00:34:59,599
things that apply universally, I don't

876
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:01,359
think one person's signature should

877
00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:03,839
dictate their neighbor's rent or terms

878
00:35:03,839 --> 00:35:07,920
for a lease. Well, we've uh reached out

879
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,119
several times, even twice by uh letter.

880
00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:12,560
One of them, I believe, was certified,

881
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,640
but I'll have to confirm that to the

882
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:17,040
other property owner, other building

883
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:20,079
person who has similar buildings at

884
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:25,119
other fairgrounds, and uh she's just

885
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:25,839
won't respond.

886
00:35:25,839 --> 00:35:26,720
>> Not responsive.

887
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:28,640
>> Yeah,

888
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,119
I we've been trying now for several

889
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:32,880
months. The last phone call I had with

890
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:34,160
her was probably at the beginning of the

891
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,320
year, maybe at uh it probably at the

892
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,800
beginning of the year, and her comment,

893
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,520
if I remember correctly, was,

894
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,200
"I had a lease. I turned it into the

895
00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:44,880
city.

896
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,760
I don't need another one." Well, we

897
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:49,280
don't have it. You don't have it. The

898
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,599
courthouse doesn't have it. We need a

899
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:54,640
new one. Just basic, simple, and we

900
00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:56,800
can't get a response. That's why I asked

901
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,320
the city attorney to write a letter

902
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:00,160
saying, "We'd like you to get a hold of

903
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:02,640
us so we can discuss this before we move

904
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:03,920
to the next step and ask the

905
00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:06,240
commission," what do you want us to do?

906
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:07,839
>> Well, all four of those buildings serve

907
00:36:07,839 --> 00:36:09,359
the same purpose and aren't going to

908
00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:11,520
serve any separate purpose outside of

909
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:13,280
their purpose that they're serving now.

910
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:14,320
Is that correct?

911
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:15,680
>> As I understand it, yes.

912
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,599
>> Yeah. Then I'd say make it a standard

913
00:36:17,599 --> 00:36:19,599
dollar a lot lease.

914
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:20,320
>> Annual.

915
00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,040
Annual. Would it help to have

916
00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:25,760
this in place before the fair actually

917
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,280
gets here so you can hand deliver it to

918
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,640
that lady that's not getting back with

919
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:30,000
us?

920
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,359
>> I don't know that she's going to have

921
00:36:31,359 --> 00:36:33,200
one there. Uh

922
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,520
>> but you know that's a good idea. If the

923
00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,680
commission were to approve the lease as

924
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:40,320
a form if she's open we can have

925
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,720
somebody drop it off to her and say hey

926
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,280
and have another conversation with her.

927
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,280
>> I would imagine she'll I would imagine

928
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,320
she'll be there.

929
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:49,839
>> Yeah. I mean I've spoken to her on the

930
00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:52,160
phone a couple times. long conversations

931
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,720
that Yeah. reaching out another time

932
00:36:54,720 --> 00:36:56,160
does hurt.

933
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,920
>> That's a good idea. When she's there

934
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:58,480
working.

935
00:36:58,480 --> 00:36:59,680
>> Yeah.

936
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,119
>> You know, if she's not responding, maybe

937
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:02,560
that would be one way to get into her.

938
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:02,800
So,

939
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:03,119
>> yeah.

940
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:05,440
>> And as a landlord, you have a standard

941
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,880
lease regardless of who's

942
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:09,760
occupying.

943
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:10,320
>> Correct.

944
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:12,720
>> So, that's I'm okay with a dollar a year

945
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:15,040
standard lease. I'd approve it.

946
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:16,320
>> You say one

947
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,520
>> a dollar a year. Yeah.

948
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:18,880
>> Does that cover your paperwork and

949
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:20,000
everything that you probably

950
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:21,839
>> $1? No, but that's that's okay.

951
00:37:21,839 --> 00:37:22,640
>> Just errands.

952
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:24,480
>> Okay. [laughter]

953
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:27,359
>> It covers an hour of errands time.

954
00:37:27,359 --> 00:37:39,349
>> Pretty cheap lawyer.

955
00:37:39,359 --> 00:37:40,720
» Or if there's a definite amount, I'm

956
00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:43,760
open to it. But just keep it cheap.

957
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:46,240
>> I would think $100 a year would cover

958
00:37:46,240 --> 00:37:51,349
anything we have to amend.

959
00:37:51,359 --> 00:37:52,960
I'll make a motion to consider the

960
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,560
approval of the ground lease of the

961
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:57,200
fairgrounds concession buildings

962
00:37:57,200 --> 00:38:00,720
at an annual rate of $100 a year.

963
00:38:00,720 --> 00:38:02,480
>> I'll second.

964
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,480
>> That would include the uh authorizing

965
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,520
the mayor to execute those.

966
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:11,670
>> Correct.

967
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:14,240
» I I'll second again.

968
00:38:14,240 --> 00:38:15,680
>> Motion has been moved and seconded. Do

969
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:19,910
we have any commission discussion?

970
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:21,280
Seeing none of the roll call vote.

971
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,400
Commissioner Meisenberg,

972
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:22,800
>> yes.

973
00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:23,760
>> Vice Mayor Taylor,

974
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:24,079
>> yes.

975
00:38:24,079 --> 00:38:24,960
>> Commissioner Kolhoff,

976
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:25,440
>> nay.

977
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:26,480
>> Commissioner Lidle,

978
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:26,960
>> yes.

979
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:29,520
>> Myself, yes. Motion carries. Our next

980
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,280
item is 7 C. Continue discussion

981
00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:32,720
regarding the storm water financial

982
00:38:32,720 --> 00:38:34,880
review and recommendations. Interum city

983
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:35,920
manager Quinday.

984
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:38,000
>> Yeah. To purpose of tonight's discussion

985
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,720
is uh not to revisit the KMU storm water

986
00:38:40,720 --> 00:38:42,720
rate study. Uh the discussion is

987
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:44,800
intended to be much narrower. We're

988
00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,200
asking for the commission for direction

989
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,800
on how you would like to implement the

990
00:38:48,800 --> 00:38:50,800
revenue requirements uh already

991
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,079
identified by the KMU study. The report

992
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:56,240
uh in your packet evaluates three

993
00:38:56,240 --> 00:38:58,800
implementation schedules that all reach

994
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:00,480
essentially the same long-term rate but

995
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:02,720
differ in when the customers experience

996
00:39:02,720 --> 00:39:05,119
those uh rate increases and when the

997
00:39:05,119 --> 00:39:07,920
utility receives the resulting revenue.

998
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:10,079
What has not changed in the report and

999
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:12,079
our presentation is the underlying

1000
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:15,599
financial analysis. uh KMU with staff's

1001
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:17,920
assistance evaluated operating cost,

1002
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:19,760
maintenance, capital improvements,

1003
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,280
reserve requirements, future

1004
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,359
infrastructure replacement, and

1005
00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:26,079
anticipated debt service. Based on that

1006
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:28,160
analysis, CMU identified the revenue

1007
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,000
needed to keep the storm water utility

1008
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,160
financially stable over the long term.

1009
00:39:34,160 --> 00:39:35,839
The report does not revisit those

1010
00:39:35,839 --> 00:39:38,560
conclusions. Um

1011
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:40,880
what we're visiting tonight is at a

1012
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:43,520
previous work study or study session the

1013
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,119
commission asked staff to evaluate

1014
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:47,920
different ways to implement those rates.

1015
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:49,680
Uh

1016
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,680
the three that they asked us to uh

1017
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:55,680
evaluate were the KMU recommendation

1018
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:57,680
um that minimizes customer impacts

1019
00:39:57,680 --> 00:39:59,599
during the first two years which would

1020
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:02,240
be a 75 cent increase per drainage unit

1021
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:04,800
in the first year 8 cents in the second

1022
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,960
year and then it has a significant jump

1023
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,359
in year three when we anticipated

1024
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:11,920
potential debt service. Uh and we used

1025
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:16,240
$1 million as that number. Um that

1026
00:40:16,240 --> 00:40:19,040
approach aligns with the increase when

1027
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:21,839
if the commission were to say go fix

1028
00:40:21,839 --> 00:40:24,480
this drainage issue here, the timing it

1029
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:26,480
would take for us to uh get it

1030
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,359
engineered, go out for bids and get the

1031
00:40:29,359 --> 00:40:32,640
uh debt service to you would be in three

1032
00:40:32,640 --> 00:40:35,520
years. The other alternative uh spreads

1033
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,760
the increases more evenly over the first

1034
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,680
three years. It'd be uh 76 cents a year.

1035
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,000
we had talked about at study session 75,

1036
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:47,440
but the math is about 76 cents. So

1037
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:49,599
instead of one significant adjustment,

1038
00:40:49,599 --> 00:40:51,520
uh customers experience a more gradual

1039
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:54,640
progression while still uh reaching the

1040
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,680
same long-term rate in year three. And

1041
00:40:57,680 --> 00:40:59,680
the other alternative uh put forth by

1042
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:01,839
Commissioner Kolhoff was to implement

1043
00:41:01,839 --> 00:41:04,480
the increases immediately. Uh it

1044
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:06,800
generates additional revenue sooner but

1045
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:08,720
also results in the largest customer

1046
00:41:08,720 --> 00:41:10,800
increase in the first year. that would

1047
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:14,480
be taking uh going from our rate now to

1048
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,280
the 354 I believe is what that number

1049
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:18,800
is.

1050
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,480
So the residential impacts for

1051
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:23,839
residential customers uh the analysis is

1052
00:41:23,839 --> 00:41:26,400
straightforward. Nearly 99% of our

1053
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,000
customers are assigned one drainage

1054
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,480
unit. That means almost every homeowner

1055
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:32,319
experiences essentially the same monthly

1056
00:41:32,319 --> 00:41:35,119
increase regardless of where they live.

1057
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:36,960
Uh the only difference is when that

1058
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,640
accre occurs under each implementation

1059
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,160
schedule.

1060
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,920
Commercial customers are different

1061
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:46,319
because the businesses with larger

1062
00:41:46,319 --> 00:41:48,480
parking lots and roofs generate more

1063
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:50,560
runoff and therefore are assigned more

1064
00:41:50,560 --> 00:41:53,440
drainage units. Again, the rate itself

1065
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,359
does not change among the alternatives.

1066
00:41:55,359 --> 00:41:58,319
Only the timing changes. Likewise, all

1067
00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:00,400
three alternatives ultimately generate

1068
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:01,920
essentially the same annual revenue at

1069
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,079
the end of three years. The difference

1070
00:42:04,079 --> 00:42:06,240
is when the utility receives that.

1071
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:10,240
Alternate uh two that would be

1072
00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:12,720
um doing it all at once provides the

1073
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:15,359
strongest early cash flow. Alternate one

1074
00:42:15,359 --> 00:42:16,880
falls in the middle. That's doing it

1075
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,280
over three years. And then the KMU

1076
00:42:19,280 --> 00:42:21,599
recommendation delays the largest

1077
00:42:21,599 --> 00:42:23,359
increase until the projected debt

1078
00:42:23,359 --> 00:42:25,359
service begins.

1079
00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:27,119
Ultimately, this is a policy decision

1080
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:29,599
rather than a financial one. Uh the

1081
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:30,960
report concludes that all three

1082
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:32,720
alternatives achieve essentially the

1083
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:34,960
same long-term objective. All three

1084
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,760
produce essentially the same revenue and

1085
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,359
the commission's decision is really a

1086
00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:41,040
choice between customer impact and the

1087
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,599
timing of revenue. Staff is not

1088
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:45,440
recommending one implementation schedule

1089
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:48,160
over another. What we're asking from the

1090
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,160
commission is to review the analysis,

1091
00:42:50,160 --> 00:42:51,920
discuss the alternatives, and provide

1092
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:54,079
direction regarding which schedule you

1093
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:56,319
would like staff to prepare for for

1094
00:42:56,319 --> 00:42:59,440
adoption or for your consideration.

1095
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,280
Should the commission elect to revise

1096
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:05,839
the schedule uh or choose AMUs,

1097
00:43:05,839 --> 00:43:09,040
alternate one, alternate three, uh we

1098
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:10,880
would recommend an effective date of

1099
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:13,839
those rates of January 1, 2027 to

1100
00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:15,839
provide customers adequate notice and

1101
00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:17,920
allow sufficient time for public

1102
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,240
communication and implementation and

1103
00:43:20,240 --> 00:43:22,800
also for those entities that uh budget

1104
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:26,880
annually to prepare for it.

1105
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:39,109
Are there any question?

1106
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:40,640
» Have any thoughts on those three

1107
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:42,319
options?

1108
00:43:42,319 --> 00:43:43,599
>> A little bit of discussion.

1109
00:43:43,599 --> 00:43:44,880
>> I think we get before we get to the

1110
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:46,800
money raise option. I've had obviously

1111
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:48,000
quite a bit of time to think about this

1112
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,720
since our last meeting. I really want a

1113
00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,480
concrete plan for fixing the issues that

1114
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,000
we know about, preparing for the ones

1115
00:43:54,000 --> 00:43:55,760
that we don't know about before we raise

1116
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:58,240
a single penny in taxes or revenue from

1117
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,400
our customers. It's all fine and good.

1118
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,079
We've got 5 years of runway if we don't

1119
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:04,000
do anything. So, I don't think we need

1120
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,839
to approve this today or next week or

1121
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:07,359
next month. We need to get a plan for

1122
00:44:07,359 --> 00:44:09,040
fixing the issues that we know about.

1123
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:10,800
They were brought to a head here.

1124
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:13,200
There's what, a half a dozen areas that

1125
00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:15,920
get water in their front yards,

1126
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,480
backyards, driveways, basement,

1127
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,760
including our own city building. Um, and

1128
00:44:21,760 --> 00:44:23,119
it's an issue that's been going on as

1129
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:24,400
long as I've been in town. I've been

1130
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:26,240
here 17 years, and it's been exactly the

1131
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:29,200
same. Fourth Street floods,

1132
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,280
uh, summit or whatever it is up

1133
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,040
northwest, there's something northeast,

1134
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:34,400
there's something in the south. The

1135
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:36,640
people, uh, actually I had the privilege

1136
00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:37,920
of talking with a gentleman over the

1137
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:38,800
weekend. They don't even, you're

1138
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:39,920
correct. They don't actually tell us

1139
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:41,839
anymore when the southside floods. They

1140
00:44:41,839 --> 00:44:45,599
just expect it. Um, so that's those people aren't coming to meetings.

1141
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:47,520
They just know that we don't care. And

1142
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,119
so before we come up with a plan to

1143
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:50,319
raise the money, I think we need to come

1144
00:44:50,319 --> 00:44:52,079
up with a plan to fix it. Then we'll

1145
00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:53,680
know how much money we need and then we

1146
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:59,430
can raise it appropriately.

1147
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:03,190
Well,

1148
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:04,880
I can't speak for the commission, but

1149
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,200
speaking for city staff, I'm not sure I

1150
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:09,440
would characterize it as we don't care.

1151
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:12,400
Um, we also do have a plan that was

1152
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:14,319
approved by the city commission

1153
00:45:14,319 --> 00:45:17,520
identifying the top, I believe, five.

1154
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,480
There's a few more um drainage priority

1155
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,760
areas that you want us to address.

1156
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,680
The first one, of course, is the uh

1157
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:28,160
South Park, which is anywhere between 16

1158
00:45:28,160 --> 00:45:30,880
and more than $20 million. Unlikely

1159
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,560
we'll be able to do that without some

1160
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:35,760
significant federal uh funding grants,

1161
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:37,599
but there are also others that were

1162
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,000
identified on there. We brought those

1163
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:42,160
costs to the commission, those

1164
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,319
estimates, and they range between$1 and

1165
00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:46,960
$2 million. And then the young man, I

1166
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,599
always keep on thinking Gary, but uh

1167
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:51,280
that came and spoke to one of the

1168
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:53,280
commission meetings and his neighbors.

1169
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,440
We asked uh the engineers to come on

1170
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:56,800
site when they were already here for

1171
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:59,760
something else to get twice the bang for

1172
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,040
our buck. Uh they walked that area with

1173
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:07,359
um public works and came up with a plan

1174
00:46:07,359 --> 00:46:10,400
and a opinion of that construction cost

1175
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,319
which is close to $2 million.

1176
00:46:12,319 --> 00:46:13,359
>> That was the void and the

1177
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:17,680
>> Hess. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Uh now that is

1178
00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,960
just a okay here's what we can see from

1179
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:26,480
available information. Um I told the uh

1180
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,000
Olsson folks and the people in that

1181
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,440
neighborhood that we will bring that

1182
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,200
back to the city commission and say okay

1183
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,280
here's what they have. Here's what they

1184
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,040
think it's going to be. But to move

1185
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,680
forward and get a high dollar cost or a

1186
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,440
high cost, they'd actually have to

1187
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,280
engineer it. So we'd, you know, enter

1188
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:43,200
into an engineering agreement uh with

1189
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,520
them if that's the priority that you

1190
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:48,160
want. So, I bring that up because we do

1191
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,280
have projects um

1192
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:53,520
that were identified as being priorities

1193
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:57,119
by the commission. And even without

1194
00:46:57,119 --> 00:46:59,839
those projects being identified, yes, we

1195
00:46:59,839 --> 00:47:04,319
have $600,000 in there, but um the

1196
00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:06,079
photograph I sent you of the hole over

1197
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,440
here by city hall, uh the estimate for

1198
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:13,839
that is anywhere between 13 and $28,000

1199
00:47:13,839 --> 00:47:17,760
to uh repair. Now, that $13,000 is

1200
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:20,640
repairing what's in the hole. the uh

1201
00:47:20,640 --> 00:47:24,640
28,000 or $23,000 is to go about almost

1202
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,440
a half a block farther. If that pipe,

1203
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:29,200
which is that bitrius clay, which is

1204
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,520
cracked, is cracked even further, that

1205
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,319
price will continue to grow and at some

1206
00:47:34,319 --> 00:47:37,200
point it will exceed our capabilities.

1207
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:38,960
So,

1208
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:41,839
realistically, um staff would be able to

1209
00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:44,400
use that $600,000 to start fixing those

1210
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:47,680
issues that we have now. Um, you know,

1211
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,440
in the past, and I'm not an engineer,

1212
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,200
and I'm not speaking to anybody's

1213
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,760
decisions that they made before, but in

1214
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,800
the past to save money, they would wrap

1215
00:47:56,800 --> 00:48:00,000
it in tin uh and pour concrete over and

1216
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,720
hope that it didn't break again. I can't

1217
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:07,119
find anybody in the uh that part of the

1218
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:10,079
profession, engineers or other cities

1219
00:48:10,079 --> 00:48:14,000
that say cut out the bad pipe, slide in

1220
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,720
new pipe, put in some couplings, and fix

1221
00:48:16,720 --> 00:48:18,480
the problem. Don't pour concrete over

1222
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:21,920
it, and hope that it it works. So, u we

1223
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:23,359
either have to start fixing the drainage

1224
00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:26,800
issues or just pick them down the can

1225
00:48:26,800 --> 00:48:29,280
again. Now, that may sound

1226
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:30,559
counterintuitive because our

1227
00:48:30,559 --> 00:48:33,040
recommendation is if you implement any

1228
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:34,559
of these schedules, not to do it

1229
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:37,599
effective till January 1 of 2027.

1230
00:48:37,599 --> 00:48:40,079
However, whatever implementation

1231
00:48:40,079 --> 00:48:42,800
schedule you choose, if you pick one, uh

1232
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,200
as opposed to doing nothing, then that

1233
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,680
gives us time to plan. Okay, based on

1234
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,839
this implementation schedule, the number

1235
00:48:49,839 --> 00:48:52,319
of meters we have, here's the revenue we

1236
00:48:52,319 --> 00:48:54,559
can anticipate that we can start

1237
00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:57,359
planning on. Can we do these bigger

1238
00:48:57,359 --> 00:48:59,599
projects and we can show granting

1239
00:48:59,599 --> 00:49:01,359
agencies that we have the funding

1240
00:49:01,359 --> 00:49:04,160
mechanism in place uh to apply for

1241
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:09,190
grants? That makes sense.

1242
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,760
» And that's where I was at too just from

1243
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:14,079
I mean this uh spring and summer has

1244
00:49:14,079 --> 00:49:16,079
been a good indication or indicator and

1245
00:49:16,079 --> 00:49:17,920
a reminder of how bad it actually is.

1246
00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:20,319
And that's got it in the front of

1247
00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:22,319
everybody's mind. So now is the time to

1248
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:25,119
invest in this cuz it needs reveal. We

1249
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:27,520
need action. We need John, I agree with

1250
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,559
you 100%. We need momentum on this. And

1251
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:33,680
I understand that without a plan or

1252
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,000
purpose set forth before the money is

1253
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,960
in, it's kind of like the snake eating

1254
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,680
its own tail in my opinion on how that

1255
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,720
works. Um,

1256
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:48,480
I was I I came in today looking for

1257
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:50,319
alternative two, just like what

1258
00:49:50,319 --> 00:49:53,680
Commissioner Khof mentioned last time on

1259
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:55,119
let's get the ball rolling on the

1260
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:57,200
funding and let's get the money in the

1261
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:59,920
bank faster so we can fix Gary and

1262
00:49:59,920 --> 00:50:02,800
Andy's problem and whatever else we have

1263
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,359
on the list that we prioritized as far

1264
00:50:05,359 --> 00:50:07,599
as the one and $2 million projects. And

1265
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:12,079
that way, you know, like you said, the bonding and the grant writing, I

1266
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:14,800
mean, we'll have a idea of now we've got

1267
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,640
this much money to work with as opposed

1268
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,160
to

1269
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,319
um, you know, having that hang in the

1270
00:50:20,319 --> 00:50:22,160
balance as we try to figure out what we

1271
00:50:22,160 --> 00:50:25,680
need and priorities and, you know, we

1272
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,680
got engineering to pay for all up front

1273
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:30,559
to get an idea of actual hard cost money

1274
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:32,000
on what these projects are going to

1275
00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,559
spend as opposed to just best guess. So,

1276
00:50:34,559 --> 00:50:35,680
we're going to have to start spending

1277
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:38,800
money for design, engineering, and and

1278
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,119
you know, long before construction. So,

1279
00:50:41,119 --> 00:50:42,720
>> well, so to your point, we already have

1280
00:50:42,720 --> 00:50:45,359
design and engineering from uh prop the

1281
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:47,520
project up at 15th Street that

1282
00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:47,839
>> Sure.

1283
00:50:47,839 --> 00:50:49,200
>> I don't even know what the the tag was,

1284
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:50,720
but we decided the price tag was for

1285
00:50:50,720 --> 00:50:51,839
that, but we decided that wasn't

1286
00:50:51,839 --> 00:50:55,040
important. And so, I I want a plan. I'm

1287
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:56,720
willing to carry out a plan, but I want

1288
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:58,240
a plan before we come up with the money.

1289
00:50:58,240 --> 00:50:59,359
I mean, it's the same way we did the

1290
00:50:59,359 --> 00:51:00,800
baseball field. Get the plan for the

1291
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,480
baseball field, raise the money. Let's

1292
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:04,000
get a plan for the water department,

1293
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,040
storm, uh, water, sewer, storm. Let's

1294
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,040
get the plan and then let's go fix it.

1295
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,400
We can raise the money after we have the

1296
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,160
plan. I think we're putting the cart

1297
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,000
before the horse by just saying, "Hey,

1298
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:15,200
we're taking more and more money." I

1299
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:17,280
don't know. Uh, I hope that you have. I

1300
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,760
think, um, I'm not the only one who's

1301
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,040
gotten threatening emails from people

1302
00:51:21,040 --> 00:51:23,440
about water and sewer rates. Um,

1303
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,760
ironically, not even in the city. Um,

1304
00:51:25,760 --> 00:51:28,319
but nevertheless, I think that we need

1305
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:31,040
to be judicious about how we are

1306
00:51:31,040 --> 00:51:33,040
spending other people's money.

1307
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:35,200
>> 100% are, but we're so far in the hole

1308
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,079
that even this increase isn't going to

1309
00:51:38,079 --> 00:51:38,480
>> well

1310
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,800
>> be effective to cover all that's out

1311
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:42,800
there that we have now. I mean, this is

1312
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,680
just a small portion of what needs done.

1313
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,079
We know we need to spend it.

1314
00:51:48,079 --> 00:51:49,119
I don't have it right in front of me,

1315
00:51:49,119 --> 00:51:50,480
but I think the five-year projection

1316
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,640
without any of the capital expenditures

1317
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:55,040
was that we would still have $600,000

1318
00:51:55,040 --> 00:51:57,520
after five years. So, I I don't disagree

1319
00:51:57,520 --> 00:51:59,040
with you. I I agree we need to do

1320
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:00,559
something and we need to do a lot of

1321
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:02,400
things, but I don't think that we need

1322
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,040
to do so much that we don't need to come

1323
00:52:05,040 --> 00:52:06,960
up with a plan for how we do it. And I

1324
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:08,559
think we're going to rather than playing

1325
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:10,079
whack-a-ole, which is what it feels like

1326
00:52:10,079 --> 00:52:12,800
we're doing right now. Um whether it's

1327
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,000
southeast, oh that's too expensive,

1328
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:15,119
we're not going to do that. Northeast,

1329
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:16,480
oh, we're not going to do that. Who

1330
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,480
knows now? Now, maybe the the west side

1331
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,760
is what's more important. Um, and I I

1332
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:23,280
don't I don't feel that we've got a good

1333
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,200
plan number one for assessing it or

1334
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:26,559
fixing it. I don't even feel that we

1335
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:28,640
know really what the problem is. I can

1336
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:30,240
tell you I looked over at Gary Boyd's

1337
00:52:30,240 --> 00:52:34,079
place um when it was raining and there's

1338
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:36,319
three unique water levels if you drive

1339
00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:40,000
up um that's Malberry Street, right?

1340
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,400
There's one in the river by the by the

1341
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:43,920
park, right? And that's lower than the

1342
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:45,520
one that's on the right side, which is

1343
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:46,800
where there's some type of drainage

1344
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,720
structure that arguably the city the

1345
00:52:48,720 --> 00:52:50,880
city is maintaining or owns. And then

1346
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,480
there's Gary Boyd's property, which is

1347
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,200
like 5 ft higher. And so I don't think

1348
00:52:55,200 --> 00:52:58,079
that the problem is I don't think it's a

1349
00:52:58,079 --> 00:52:59,119
million- dollar problem. I don't think

1350
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:00,319
it's a half a million dollar problem.

1351
00:53:00,319 --> 00:53:02,000
I'm afraid that we're going to spend a

1352
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:03,359
million dollars fixing something that's

1353
00:53:03,359 --> 00:53:06,480
probably a a5 or $10,000 problem. And I

1354
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:07,760
don't know if it's I don't know if it's

1355
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,119
tree roots. I don't know what I don't

1356
00:53:09,119 --> 00:53:10,559
know what the situation is. But I can

1357
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:12,160
tell you that just looking at that

1358
00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:13,440
situation right there tells me that

1359
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,319
there is a there is an issue that

1360
00:53:16,319 --> 00:53:18,319
frankly shouldn't cost $2 million to

1361
00:53:18,319 --> 00:53:20,000
fix.

1362
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,319
>> Oh, may I ask a question?

1363
00:53:22,319 --> 00:53:22,800
>> Yeah.

1364
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,800
>> Uh

1365
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,040
if

1366
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:29,440
staff says we think this is the issue

1367
00:53:29,440 --> 00:53:31,599
and engineers say we think this is the

1368
00:53:31,599 --> 00:53:34,240
issue and you don't believe it, what are

1369
00:53:34,240 --> 00:53:36,640
you going to believe? I mean how do we I

1370
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:39,119
guess what's the definition of a plan?

1371
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:42,480
Um, your current storm water management

1372
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,960
policy requires Brad to come to you with

1373
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:48,800
a list of drainage area issues. He did

1374
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,319
that. You didn't accept verbatim what he

1375
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:54,000
suggested. You moved those around and

1376
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,160
said, "These are more priorities." So,

1377
00:53:56,160 --> 00:53:59,680
for me, that's a plan. Uh,

1378
00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:00,880
>> well, I think there's a difference

1379
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,960
between saying $2 million we'll fix this

1380
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:04,160
and here's what's wrong with what you

1381
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,520
have now. I don't I haven't seen

1382
00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:06,880
anything from those folks other than

1383
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:08,079
this is the first I've heard about it is

1384
00:54:08,079 --> 00:54:09,920
you telling us about it. So I don't know

1385
00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,559
if that's real or not, but I think we

1386
00:54:12,559 --> 00:54:13,839
we've brought it up a dozen times here

1387
00:54:13,839 --> 00:54:15,200
that we think that there's probably

1388
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:17,200
things in the storm drains and we need

1389
00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:19,280
to go look and we need to see that.

1390
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,280
>> So can I ask another question then?

1391
00:54:21,280 --> 00:54:22,640
You're saying that I'm telling you that

1392
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:24,880
but you don't know if it's real. Does

1393
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,319
that mean that I'm making it up?

1394
00:54:26,319 --> 00:54:27,520
>> No, I don't think you're making it up. I

1395
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:29,040
think absolutely if we spend $2 million

1396
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:31,359
up there, we can fix the problem.

1397
00:54:31,359 --> 00:54:33,200
>> I I 100% believe that. But if the

1398
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:35,040
engineering firm says this is what we

1399
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,760
think it's going to be,

1400
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:39,760
then who else do we believe? If they say

1401
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:41,760
we think it's going to cost this, you

1402
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:45,040
know, for example, the um CCIP project,

1403
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:46,319
you know, at one point they thought it

1404
00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:49,280
was going to be $1.8 million, 1.6, but

1405
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:52,640
they're in the ballpark. Um

1406
00:54:52,640 --> 00:54:55,040
you've got to start somewhere. And right

1407
00:54:55,040 --> 00:54:57,359
now what we have is opinion of probable

1408
00:54:57,359 --> 00:54:59,200
construction costs from an engineering

1409
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,280
firm that's looked at these and there's

1410
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:02,720
work for the city looking at your

1411
00:55:02,720 --> 00:55:05,520
drainage areas and all of that. So to me

1412
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:08,000
you have a priority list. The plan is,

1413
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,160
okay, now we've got to be able to pay

1414
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:12,640
for these. Once you have that mechanism

1415
00:55:12,640 --> 00:55:15,599
in place and you know, okay, based on

1416
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:18,480
the 3,000 [clears throat] properties,

1417
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:20,079
whatever that number is, we know we're

1418
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:22,000
going to go from $60,000 a year revenue

1419
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,160
to $21,000.

1420
00:55:24,160 --> 00:55:27,200
So then we can plan, okay, how much of

1421
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:29,520
that needs to go towards debt service.

1422
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,680
And if the commission says we can't

1423
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,960
afford south, that's $20 million. We

1424
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,520
want you to do this one. Focus on that

1425
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,920
first. Well, now we know when we go to

1426
00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:41,680
the granting agencies, the state and

1427
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:44,480
that that okay, we're not bringing in

1428
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,839
60,000. We're bringing in $200,000.

1429
00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:50,079
We're able to service that as opposed to

1430
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:53,440
saying, you know, uh, well, we got

1431
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,440
$60,000 and in five years we're going to

1432
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,240
have $600,000 like we do today. It's not

1433
00:55:58,240 --> 00:56:00,400
going to fix anything.

1434
00:56:00,400 --> 00:56:02,160
I haven't

1435
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:04,000
come across a project yet in the year

1436
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:07,040
I've been here for uh drainage that has

1437
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:09,520
been under $600,000.

1438
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:16,069
I just haven't. Um

1439
00:56:16,079 --> 00:56:19,040
yeah I you know it's you had mentioned

1440
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:21,839
and maybe I misunderstood the process

1441
00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:25,359
for the uh sports complex but it was my

1442
00:56:25,359 --> 00:56:28,319
understanding that the uh public voted

1443
00:56:28,319 --> 00:56:32,160
for that quality of life sales tax and

1444
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:34,319
the idea was to put some ball fields out

1445
00:56:34,319 --> 00:56:37,760
there and the city I believe bonded that

1446
00:56:37,760 --> 00:56:39,760
amount. Well, you did because it

1447
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:41,280
happened right when I got here. $4

1448
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,079
million for it. But it took several

1449
00:56:44,079 --> 00:56:46,160
months before

1450
00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:48,400
the design was brought to the commission

1451
00:56:48,400 --> 00:56:50,880
to say yes, move forward.

1452
00:56:50,880 --> 00:56:52,240
>> I'd encourage you to look at the history

1453
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:54,000
of that. I think there's some people

1454
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:55,760
sitting up here can tell you the amount

1455
00:56:55,760 --> 00:56:57,040
of planning that went into it before

1456
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,319
that ever went up for a vote.

1457
00:57:00,319 --> 00:57:03,440
>> I can just read what the uh the ballot

1458
00:57:03,440 --> 00:57:05,920
question was. quality of life and that

1459
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:06,240
uh

1460
00:57:06,240 --> 00:57:07,119
>> yeah, there's been a lot of meetings

1461
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:08,319
that happened before that though and

1462
00:57:08,319 --> 00:57:09,839
many of them in this room that happened

1463
00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:11,119
before we ever got to that point. I

1464
00:57:11,119 --> 00:57:12,559
think Kelly can speak to that as well.

1465
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:15,440
There were there was a ton of work and

1466
00:57:15,440 --> 00:57:16,799
frankly if that same amount of work was

1467
00:57:16,799 --> 00:57:18,960
done on the storm water study, I would I

1468
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:20,400
would pass it today. If we had all the

1469
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,680
work that they had done before that had

1470
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,359
gone to a ballot question, I would

1471
00:57:23,359 --> 00:57:25,200
absolutely sign off on this today.

1472
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:27,680
>> And what kind of work was that?

1473
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:28,880
>> Kelly, do you want to you want to share?

1474
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:30,559
I mean, no. I mean, you're telling me

1475
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:32,559
that the amount of work that they uh

1476
00:57:32,559 --> 00:57:33,200
did.

1477
00:57:33,200 --> 00:57:34,799
>> Yeah. They had a plan for

1478
00:57:34,799 --> 00:57:36,240
>> explain to me what that work is that you

1479
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:37,839
need me to do for storm water.

1480
00:57:37,839 --> 00:57:39,359
>> I I would you I mean, you're coming up

1481
00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:41,119
here and you're giving us what your

1482
00:57:41,119 --> 00:57:42,960
perspective is. I'm telling you, I was I

1483
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:44,880
was in the room when we had plans and

1484
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:46,720
drawings for I think at one point there

1485
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:48,240
was like eight or 10 ball fields. I

1486
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:49,920
mean, so there was a lot of work that

1487
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:52,240
went in before we went to raise money

1488
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:53,599
from the public before we asked them to

1489
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:55,119
spend their money on public

1490
00:57:55,119 --> 00:57:55,599
improvements.

1491
00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:57,280
>> Was that who gave you the the drawings?

1492
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,440
I'm just curious now. At this point, I

1493
00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,200
don't remember. We've had six different

1494
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:03,760
people who had their hands in it. Um I

1495
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,480
think it was Mammoth if I was guessing.

1496
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:07,920
Um I think they were the ones who's kind

1497
00:58:07,920 --> 00:58:08,799
of started the process.

1498
00:58:08,799 --> 00:58:10,240
>> I think they were the first ones. Yeah.

1499
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:12,400
>> Yeah. So

1500
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:15,280
I I think it's fine to raise rates. I

1501
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:16,240
think there's things that need to be

1502
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:17,839
fixed. I think I would like to see the

1503
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:18,720
plan first.

1504
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,000
>> And I still don't understand what your

1505
00:58:20,000 --> 00:58:21,280
definition of plan is.

1506
00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:23,920
>> Okay. So was that you said you have an

1507
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:26,640
opinion of probable cost from

1508
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:28,880
>> the engineering firm on that project

1509
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:30,720
>> for the folks that came in last time,

1510
00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:31,040
>> right?

1511
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:31,440
>> Yes.

1512
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,200
>> And I think we did have that discussion

1513
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:35,520
at that time. [clears throat] I don't

1514
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,280
believe I can't remember if that was on

1515
00:58:37,280 --> 00:58:40,000
our approved priority list or not. At

1516
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,040
that time

1517
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:41,680
>> it was not,

1518
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,119
>> but that was one that you're actually

1519
00:58:43,119 --> 00:58:46,240
facing risk of loss

1520
00:58:46,240 --> 00:58:48,640
for the those two homes right there. So,

1521
00:58:48,640 --> 00:58:51,599
it kind of I guess got elevated on that

1522
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:55,040
list. Is that something you can you can

1523
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,280
send that to us? I don't know how

1524
00:58:57,280 --> 00:58:58,880
detailed it is.

1525
00:58:58,880 --> 00:59:01,359
>> It's a a one sheet based on, you know,

1526
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:02,799
what they think they're going to need,

1527
00:59:02,799 --> 00:59:06,799
whether it's um 48 inch pipe, RGB. It's

1528
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:08,240
a little bit technical on the details,

1529
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,480
but it'll tell you what the cost is. Uh

1530
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:13,119
they also have a I believe a map showing

1531
00:59:13,119 --> 00:59:17,119
where they would build that. Um, and I,

1532
00:59:17,119 --> 00:59:18,880
it's not Gary, but the gentleman that

1533
00:59:18,880 --> 00:59:21,359
came in and started it, uh, the

1534
00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:23,920
engineers agree with him that when a lot

1535
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:25,839
of that work was done up by Pizza Hut

1536
00:59:25,839 --> 00:59:28,079
and stuff, where that water was going to

1537
00:59:28,079 --> 00:59:30,720
go was not accounted for

1538
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,799
in there. And I've seen um,

1539
00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:36,960
where our guys have tried to secure the

1540
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,280
manhole cover, but it won't hold. It

1541
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:40,960
blows up in the air because of that. But

1542
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:44,640
yeah, it's a it's an issue.

1543
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:46,079
So I guess if you could send us details

1544
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:49,200
on that specific one. Um because I mean

1545
00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:50,400
even if none of these are really going

1546
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:51,760
to go into effect until next year

1547
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:54,026
anyway. So we could review that and

1548
00:59:54,026 --> 00:59:54,799
[clears throat] see if that's something

1549
00:59:54,799 --> 00:59:56,400
that we want to prioritize first since

1550
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,599
there is risk of loss to homes. Um which

1551
00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:01,920
I think warrants

1552
01:00:01,920 --> 01:00:04,720
rising rising that prior or rising up

1553
01:00:04,720 --> 01:00:06,400
that priority list. Right.

1554
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:07,040
>> Um and

1555
01:00:07,040 --> 01:00:09,040
>> we can bring that and the currently

1556
01:00:09,040 --> 01:00:11,839
approved priority list to you. Uh, and

1557
01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:14,240
if you want to readjust that, we're

1558
01:00:14,240 --> 01:00:16,720
supposed to do it annually, but you're

1559
01:00:16,720 --> 01:00:18,079
can do it anytime you want.

1560
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:19,440
>> But if we have that opinion of probable

1561
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:21,119
cost and then the mapping on it too to

1562
01:00:21,119 --> 01:00:23,359
kind of show what exactly would be

1563
01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:25,520
happening and

1564
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:27,359
>> put on the I think that would be put on

1565
01:00:27,359 --> 01:00:28,160
the agenda.

1566
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:29,599
>> I think that would be helpful. Yeah,

1567
01:00:29,599 --> 01:00:31,280
that would be good to have that list up

1568
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:32,640
in front

1569
01:00:32,640 --> 01:00:35,280
>> front and center. That way we can just

1570
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:36,799
look at the amounts y

1571
01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:38,559
>> and what we're talking about. That way

1572
01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:42,400
we can get an idea about a plan and

1573
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:44,319
what's actually been engineered and what

1574
01:00:44,319 --> 01:00:47,760
has a plan behind it and funded on it.

1575
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:49,440
>> None of those on your list have been

1576
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:50,079
engineered,

1577
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:51,920
>> right? And we need money to do that. So,

1578
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:54,160
we got to get started sooner rather than

1579
01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:55,680
later on this

1580
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:59,680
>> because we have to have it uh but to get

1581
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:02,480
a uh a grant, you'll have to have a

1582
01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,720
professional engineering report. Most

1583
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:07,200
granting agencies now require that. It's

1584
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:09,760
not a full design, but they've got to

1585
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,559
come out and say, "Okay, we're not just

1586
01:01:12,559 --> 01:01:14,160
looking at aerials and and whatnot.

1587
01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:15,839
We've been on the ground and here's what

1588
01:01:15,839 --> 01:01:17,040
we think it's going to cost."

1589
01:01:17,040 --> 01:01:19,760
>> An actual survey and they open actually

1590
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,440
open the hood and look at it. Yeah.

1591
01:01:21,440 --> 01:01:23,280
>> Once you identify a project before we go

1592
01:01:23,280 --> 01:01:24,640
look at granting agencies, we've got to

1593
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:26,160
get them going on that cuz they're

1594
01:01:26,160 --> 01:01:27,359
required for most of them,

1595
01:01:27,359 --> 01:01:31,990
>> right?

1596
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:33,440
I think that'd be helpful just because

1597
01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:35,839
it felt like that one kind of jumped up

1598
01:01:35,839 --> 01:01:37,200
the priority list a little bit.

1599
01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,720
>> And it's not even on the list, too.

1600
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,720
>> It's not on the list. It wasn't on It

1601
01:01:40,720 --> 01:01:42,160
wasn't on Well, was it?

1602
01:01:42,160 --> 01:01:44,000
>> No.

1603
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:48,480
>> I will say if I can real quick, there's been a little bit of property

1604
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,319
loss on the fourth of my street area

1605
01:01:50,319 --> 01:01:53,040
with flooded cars and stuff like that.

1606
01:01:53,040 --> 01:01:55,920
That's been ongoing. So, my opinion that

1607
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,680
area, it's all part of the Southeast

1608
01:01:57,680 --> 01:02:00,000
drainage project, but I think we need to

1609
01:02:00,000 --> 01:02:03,200
look at the new drainage

1610
01:02:03,200 --> 01:02:06,160
uh possibilities of more structures and

1611
01:02:06,160 --> 01:02:10,000
stuff put in between downtown and Brady

1612
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,559
specifically before it had gone out into

1613
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:14,240
that area because that that could be one

1614
01:02:14,240 --> 01:02:16,240
whole project by itself.

1615
01:02:16,240 --> 01:02:18,160
>> What is the public interest in this

1616
01:02:18,160 --> 01:02:20,240
project? I think uh one of the things I

1617
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:23,200
was told with the Northeast 15th Street

1618
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:24,559
project was that that was a private

1619
01:02:24,559 --> 01:02:28,319
concern. How does this one on uh Summit

1620
01:02:28,319 --> 01:02:33,349
differ from that?

1621
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:35,440
» Yeah, because I don't know where Summit

1622
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:38,640
>> Yeah. So that

1623
01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:39,680
was that

1624
01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:41,200
>> that's the boy.

1625
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:43,119
>> Yeah. So that was that was more of a

1626
01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:44,799
private there was a little bit of a

1627
01:02:44,799 --> 01:02:46,960
situation that that was done years ago

1628
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:48,799
before any drainage study requirements

1629
01:02:48,799 --> 01:02:51,839
were actually needed or implanted by the

1630
01:02:51,839 --> 01:02:54,480
city at that time. So we had a a

1631
01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:57,200
facility they got that built and so all

1632
01:02:57,200 --> 01:03:00,240
the water water runoff went directly to

1633
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,200
neighboring properties without any type

1634
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,599
of a drainage control. And so there was

1635
01:03:05,599 --> 01:03:09,200
a I'll just say it a little bit of a um

1636
01:03:09,200 --> 01:03:11,040
situation between the two adjacent

1637
01:03:11,040 --> 01:03:13,440
property owners that really did had

1638
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,119
nothing to do with what the city

1639
01:03:15,119 --> 01:03:18,799
developed or put in um for the

1640
01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:20,559
structures of drainage that were needed

1641
01:03:20,559 --> 01:03:22,720
from our side of things at that time. Of

1642
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:25,280
course, this is way before my time, but

1643
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,280
um that's the history of the situation

1644
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,000
there. That's kind of why we did look

1645
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,039
into how we could improve some drainage

1646
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:37,280
up in that air area, but it also um

1647
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:39,599
basically started with um two adjacent

1648
01:03:39,599 --> 01:03:41,520
property owners.

1649
01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:43,920
That's why that situation kind of got

1650
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,640
pushed to the side because I I know um

1651
01:03:46,640 --> 01:03:48,880
city attorney Martin got involved in a

1652
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:51,680
little bit of that and and and

1653
01:03:51,680 --> 01:03:54,160
why we were making some discussions and

1654
01:03:54,160 --> 01:03:57,599
ultimately we kind of decided that the

1655
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:00,640
main complaint wasn't necessarily a city

1656
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:03,200
situation.

1657
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,119
>> How many homeowners are affected in this

1658
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:07,039
area?

1659
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:09,039
>> Which which area again? Sorry, the

1660
01:04:09,039 --> 01:04:13,599
summit northwest area there.

1661
01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:17,280
>> Um, specifically right in the corner

1662
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:18,720
that I know that it cuts through. I

1663
01:04:18,720 --> 01:04:20,160
mean, you're probably at least three for

1664
01:04:20,160 --> 01:04:22,640
sure. Could be up to five. And I know

1665
01:04:22,640 --> 01:04:24,079
part of the plan that you guys haven't

1666
01:04:24,079 --> 01:04:26,960
seen yet was some drainage um upsizing.

1667
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,640
Generally, uh, they look at 20 to 30%

1668
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,200
upsizing of of drainage structures and

1669
01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:36,160
tubes um, for replacement to increase

1670
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:39,589
the flow rate.

1671
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:41,680
Uh Mr. Boyd did come to my office here

1672
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:43,680
the other day when the between the two

1673
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,440
days we got Abling got the combined

1674
01:04:45,440 --> 01:04:48,319
about five inches um about a week ago

1675
01:04:48,319 --> 01:04:51,440
and last Thursday and Friday and um said

1676
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:53,280
that the manhole lid did stay on after

1677
01:04:53,280 --> 01:04:56,400
we kind of um [clears throat] u

1678
01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,720
rubberized it down and it stayed in

1679
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:00,160
place and he said that it did flow

1680
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:01,839
through there pretty good on that one.

1681
01:05:01,839 --> 01:05:03,680
So maybe it just wasn't the volume on

1682
01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:07,039
that particular rain. So,

1683
01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:09,119
but I would recommend that if we're if

1684
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:11,359
we're going to look into this more, you

1685
01:05:11,359 --> 01:05:13,440
giving Mr. Quinay and myself the

1686
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,920
authority to get another probable cost

1687
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:18,559
of um improving fourth and fifth because

1688
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:20,720
that was one originally on part of the

1689
01:05:20,720 --> 01:05:23,119
plan. And I personally do believe that

1690
01:05:23,119 --> 01:05:25,599
we need more structures to carry that,

1691
01:05:25,599 --> 01:05:28,000
but it's going to be a major project.

1692
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:30,079
>> Do we have any kind of ballpark on that

1693
01:05:30,079 --> 01:05:30,480
one?

1694
01:05:30,480 --> 01:05:32,400
>> No. I think there's an overall cost of

1695
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:34,319
the complete southeast drainage project

1696
01:05:34,319 --> 01:05:37,039
structure and I think that's maybe

1697
01:05:37,039 --> 01:05:40,319
entailed into that a little bit but to

1698
01:05:40,319 --> 01:05:42,319
see the breakdown of what it takes to

1699
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:44,000
get everything over to Brady would be

1700
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,240
one thing. Just as a reminder from

1701
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,480
everything about 13th Street, I'm

1702
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,280
talking east, so east of Buckeye. From

1703
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,319
13th Street um to about the fifth,

1704
01:05:54,319 --> 01:05:55,839
fourth and fifth street area, there are

1705
01:05:55,839 --> 01:05:58,640
no very limited drainage structures.

1706
01:05:58,640 --> 01:06:01,119
Basically, when the town was designed,

1707
01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:03,359
it was designed for gravity flow

1708
01:06:03,359 --> 01:06:06,000
downhill until it reached the plateau of

1709
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,000
flat area of the fourth and fifth street

1710
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,920
and then it makes its way on its own.

1711
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:13,440
Um, so helping guide it into structures

1712
01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:15,760
um would probably help take away some of

1713
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:18,720
the downflow that all ends up down in

1714
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:20,720
the areas of fourth and fifth. And I was

1715
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:23,839
told that those areas um flooded the

1716
01:06:23,839 --> 01:06:24,960
other night again. I don't know if it

1717
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:27,039
was Thursday night um

1718
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:29,839
>> be Friday. Friday night. So, but I know

1719
01:06:29,839 --> 01:06:31,839
that there was high water. I'm sitting

1720
01:06:31,839 --> 01:06:33,359
down there again because I heard from a

1721
01:06:33,359 --> 01:06:35,920
resident um that uh

1722
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,200
>> was on Fourth and Fifth Street.

1723
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:40,240
>> Yeah. Around 1:00 a.m. uh couldn't get

1724
01:06:40,240 --> 01:06:42,960
to their residence for a little bit. And

1725
01:06:42,960 --> 01:06:44,640
it does reach car doors and everything

1726
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:46,319
down in there very easily. And I know it

1727
01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:49,520
gets up into yards. Have we had any into

1728
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:51,440
um foundations yet? That that I don't

1729
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:55,119
know. But um I know um it's been awful

1730
01:06:55,119 --> 01:06:57,599
close. on that one. Uh the fourth and

1731
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:00,000
fifth street, if we do uh put in more

1732
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:02,960
structures, will that um southeast

1733
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,599
drainage project, that tube that's

1734
01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:08,640
perhaps undersized and collap

1735
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:10,400
>> it's all going to head to that area. So,

1736
01:07:10,400 --> 01:07:12,319
I mean, you you pick your poison on how

1737
01:07:12,319 --> 01:07:14,319
much you want to do at a time.

1738
01:07:14,319 --> 01:07:16,400
my and maybe I'm wrong, but my initial

1739
01:07:16,400 --> 01:07:17,760
thought is start at the river and work

1740
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,000
your way backwards because if it's if it

1741
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,079
uh you know and of course unfortunately

1742
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:24,160
that's the largest price project, but if

1743
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:26,000
you if you can't get it to flow out at

1744
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,839
the highest limits, all you're going to

1745
01:07:27,839 --> 01:07:29,520
do is continue to condense it. Can you

1746
01:07:29,520 --> 01:07:32,079
carry it away a little bit better with

1747
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:34,720
local drainage? Probably. Yeah. But

1748
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:37,680
ultimately, it's still all got to flow.

1749
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,440
>> What's the timing on getting those

1750
01:07:39,440 --> 01:07:40,880
opinions of probable cost?

1751
01:07:40,880 --> 01:07:42,480
>> I don't know. Jared got that last one to

1752
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,559
us within the two week time period or

1753
01:07:44,559 --> 01:07:47,039
so.

1754
01:07:47,039 --> 01:07:48,319
>> Yeah.

1755
01:07:48,319 --> 01:07:49,680
>> Okay. So, I think it'd be helpful. Yeah.

1756
01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:51,039
I think it'd be helpful to have both of

1757
01:07:51,039 --> 01:07:54,240
those uh just to kind of see and if it's

1758
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:56,079
something that we want I mean you kind

1759
01:07:56,079 --> 01:07:57,520
of mentioned just a little bit ago that

1760
01:07:57,520 --> 01:08:00,720
you'd like to see some costs on several

1761
01:08:00,720 --> 01:08:02,240
of the different projects on what it

1762
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:05,680
would take. Um, I mean, if we're willing

1763
01:08:05,680 --> 01:08:07,119
to spend a little bit of money for

1764
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:10,079
investigation purposes without doing a a

1765
01:08:10,079 --> 01:08:11,440
full lot of engineering,

1766
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:12,240
>> I think we have to

1767
01:08:12,240 --> 01:08:14,720
>> we we can gladly just have them start

1768
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:16,480
working on all of them in my opinion.

1769
01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:17,839
So,

1770
01:08:17,839 --> 01:08:19,759
>> I think you got to open the hood and

1771
01:08:19,759 --> 01:08:21,520
that's where it starts. I think you have

1772
01:08:21,520 --> 01:08:24,560
to use a part of what we got in the fund

1773
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:26,799
now, part of the 600,000 and open it up

1774
01:08:26,799 --> 01:08:29,600
to engineering to figure out to hatch a

1775
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,279
plan. Yeah. We've got to start somewhere

1776
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:33,839
and we've got to open the hood and we're

1777
01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:36,000
not qualified to do so. So, an engineer

1778
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:37,679
would have to be the one to do that,

1779
01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:38,880
>> right?

1780
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:41,839
>> That'd be the uh the list that's been

1781
01:08:41,839 --> 01:08:43,759
identified in addition to

1782
01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:47,199
>> with the summit. Yeah. Yeah. And uh like

1783
01:08:47,199 --> 01:08:48,799
I said, if you guys are good with that,

1784
01:08:48,799 --> 01:08:50,799
um however you want to handle it, but

1785
01:08:50,799 --> 01:08:57,440
and giving us permission to go ahead and get all those

1786
01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:00,319
uh five slash six areas kind of an area

1787
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:02,239
of probable cost, I guess, at this

1788
01:09:02,239 --> 01:09:03,279
point. And

1789
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:05,040
>> timing wise, I mean, we're at the end of

1790
01:09:05,040 --> 01:09:07,600
July, so it's not like we're in October,

1791
01:09:07,600 --> 01:09:09,199
November already where this would go

1792
01:09:09,199 --> 01:09:10,960
into effect in, you know, a month or

1793
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,159
two. We've got time still to get those

1794
01:09:14,159 --> 01:09:16,000
>> guys. I just think $2 million is

1795
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,679
ridiculous. I don't I mean, there's five

1796
01:09:17,679 --> 01:09:18,880
homes there. I'm not sure those five

1797
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:21,520
homes are worth $2 million.

1798
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,120
>> But you got to open the hood up to see

1799
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:25,279
what it is. And if we get an engineer to

1800
01:09:25,279 --> 01:09:28,880
actually do a legitimate study on it and

1801
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,120
if it's $2 million after he does it and

1802
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:33,359
looks deeper into it, then that's

1803
01:09:33,359 --> 01:09:35,199
something that gets de prioritized. But

1804
01:09:35,199 --> 01:09:36,719
we got to have a number on everything

1805
01:09:36,719 --> 01:09:39,759
else though. At least a an estimate,

1806
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:42,960
whether it's a $500,000 to $2 million

1807
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:45,359
estimate. At least we have an idea of

1808
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:46,799
how can we start knocking these things

1809
01:09:46,799 --> 01:09:48,319
off the list. That's where we start

1810
01:09:48,319 --> 01:09:51,679
making the plan is we open the hood, we

1811
01:09:51,679 --> 01:09:54,000
have an engineer look at these, get a

1812
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:56,000
cost associated with them, and then

1813
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:58,480
that's how we can prioritize our list.

1814
01:09:58,480 --> 01:09:59,360
>> Yeah. My opinion.

1815
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,280
>> And I and I just I can see some of the

1816
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,120
things that kind of can take place up

1817
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:04,640
there in that area. You know, you got a

1818
01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:06,880
lot of backyards, you got a lot of

1819
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:08,480
landscaping, you got a lot of fencing.

1820
01:10:08,480 --> 01:10:10,480
If you're if you're excavating and

1821
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:12,719
placing in new, you're going to have

1822
01:10:12,719 --> 01:10:14,560
easement costs. You're going to just all

1823
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:15,920
the little things are going to add up.

1824
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,040
And and I think I I'd like to keep

1825
01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:20,800
reminding that just because we've got a

1826
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,880
water line or a sewer line or a storm

1827
01:10:22,880 --> 01:10:24,800
water drain that needs replaced, when

1828
01:10:24,800 --> 01:10:26,880
they fall within the street area, you're

1829
01:10:26,880 --> 01:10:28,880
talking street basically brand new

1830
01:10:28,880 --> 01:10:30,400
street replacement costs. And those

1831
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:34,400
costs are extremely expensive right now

1832
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:35,920
um with asphalt prices and everything

1833
01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:37,920
else. So you're you're talking about the

1834
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:41,280
whole um part of the plan just to get

1835
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,199
something replaced underground that you

1836
01:10:43,199 --> 01:10:45,679
don't visibly see. You have to refix the

1837
01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:47,600
surface. So I mean some of those costs

1838
01:10:47,600 --> 01:10:49,520
can add up there. That's just a reminder

1839
01:10:49,520 --> 01:10:51,280
for you.

1840
01:10:51,280 --> 01:10:52,960
>> We'll bring back those opinion follow

1841
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:55,520
construction costs

1842
01:10:55,520 --> 01:10:56,719
the ones that are identified as

1843
01:10:56,719 --> 01:10:58,800
priorities by the commission plus the

1844
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:03,040
summit one uh to you. We have the one on

1845
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:05,679
um the south drainage area. They've

1846
01:11:05,679 --> 01:11:07,760
already studied that in depth. So, I

1847
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:09,040
don't think we should ask them to to

1848
01:11:09,040 --> 01:11:11,360
redo that. Just the other ones. We can

1849
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:12,640
bring that back to you probably in a

1850
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:16,159
month. Um, we'll ask Jared with Olsson

1851
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:18,640
what he thinks is doable based on their

1852
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,440
schedule and timing and then we can

1853
01:11:21,440 --> 01:11:23,280
bring that back. There's, like I said,

1854
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:25,280
we're not recommending that whatever you

1855
01:11:25,280 --> 01:11:28,480
implement, whether that be KMU's uh

1856
01:11:28,480 --> 01:11:32,000
schedule, um the over three years or the

1857
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:34,880
more aggressive all at once, we don't

1858
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:36,480
recommend that take effect till January

1859
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:38,320
so people can plan for it and budget for

1860
01:11:38,320 --> 01:11:42,080
it. So, you have some time. Um what we

1861
01:11:42,080 --> 01:11:44,560
need to know really for planning

1862
01:11:44,560 --> 01:11:48,239
purposes is which one you're looking at.

1863
01:11:48,239 --> 01:11:50,320
uh because yeah, they all get there at

1864
01:11:50,320 --> 01:11:52,000
the same over a different period of

1865
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:54,880
time. But if you if the commission says,

1866
01:11:54,880 --> 01:11:56,400
you know, we're going to do the

1867
01:11:56,400 --> 01:11:58,960
alternate two, the one up front, well

1868
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,840
then we know starting in 2027, we can

1869
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:03,760
pretty much count on this much rep and

1870
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,280
we can start planning with those

1871
01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:07,600
numbers. Uh as opposed to over three

1872
01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:09,040
years, then we're limited. We have to

1873
01:12:09,040 --> 01:12:10,480
start building them. That's what we're

1874
01:12:10,480 --> 01:12:14,400
asking for. It's just uh which route you

1875
01:12:14,400 --> 01:12:15,280
think you're going to go, which

1876
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:18,239
implementation schedule it's most about.

1877
01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:20,719
>> And when you uh talk with Olsson, you

1878
01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:24,560
might have them um not completely

1879
01:12:24,560 --> 01:12:26,800
revisit the southwest or southeast

1880
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,280
drainage project, but see how it affects

1881
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,040
the others. Like I know the fourth and

1882
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:31,920
fifth street one,

1883
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:32,400
>> right,

1884
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:35,520
>> is upstream from that. So how they

1885
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:37,440
affect each other and and what their

1886
01:12:37,440 --> 01:12:39,040
opinion is on that.

1887
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:40,960
>> We can do that. Is it going to cause

1888
01:12:40,960 --> 01:12:42,560
more problems down there if we open it

1889
01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:42,960
up?

1890
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:43,280
>> Right.

1891
01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:45,360
>> Yeah.

1892
01:12:45,360 --> 01:12:47,440
>> Or is it at least get it underground to

1893
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:48,960
where it's not you're [clears throat]

1894
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:50,480
not having as as bad as surface

1895
01:12:50,480 --> 01:12:53,600
flooding? I don't know. A little more

1896
01:12:53,600 --> 01:12:55,360
capacity if you can at least get it

1897
01:12:55,360 --> 01:12:56,960
underground.

1898
01:12:56,960 --> 01:12:59,520
>> Do we have a an idea of which

1899
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:01,600
implementation schedule you're looking

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01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:04,880
at or do you want to wait until you see

1901
01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:06,400
all those costs?

1902
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,080
>> I think I would wait to see all the

1903
01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:10,400
costs. I would I'd like to see have an

1904
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,239
idea of what it's going to cost and then

1905
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:14,239
we can have the engineer say this one's

1906
01:13:14,239 --> 01:13:16,800
going to be the most effective and then

1907
01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:17,920
go from there.

1908
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:20,320
>> Most effective to what though? I mean

1909
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:20,800
for

1910
01:13:20,800 --> 01:13:21,920
>> valuewise.

1911
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:22,800
>> Okay.

1912
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:24,560
Impacting the most correct

1913
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:25,199
>> residents.

1914
01:13:25,199 --> 01:13:25,840
>> Yeah.

1915
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:27,840
>> Okay. Most impactful to

1916
01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,080
>> citizens. Absolutely. To the Yeah. To

1917
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,520
alleviate

1918
01:13:31,520 --> 01:13:31,920
>> Okay.

1919
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:33,520
>> The most amount of potential property

1920
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:34,000
damage.

1921
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:35,199
>> He may be able to get it done sooner,

1922
01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:36,880
but we'll probably plan on a month. It

1923
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:38,000
probably be at the end of August,

1924
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:39,360
beginning of September.

1925
01:13:39,360 --> 01:13:41,600
>> But we've got plenty of time.

1926
01:13:41,600 --> 01:13:41,920
>> Okay.

1927
01:13:41,920 --> 01:13:49,350
Thank you very much.

1928
01:13:49,360 --> 01:13:51,440
» Okay. Our next item is 7D, discussion

1929
01:13:51,440 --> 01:13:53,360
and direction regarding the city manager

1930
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:55,600
search request for proposals. Inter city

1931
01:13:55,600 --> 01:13:56,719
manager Quinn Day.

1932
01:13:56,719 --> 01:13:58,320
>> Yeah. The purpose of tonight's item is

1933
01:13:58,320 --> 01:13:59,679
for the commission to review the

1934
01:13:59,679 --> 01:14:02,400
responses received for the RFP for

1935
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:05,760
recruiting a city manager. Um before you

1936
01:14:05,760 --> 01:14:07,440
begin your discussion, I did want to

1937
01:14:07,440 --> 01:14:09,120
briefly walk through the evaluation

1938
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,280
report that was included in your packet.

1939
01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:13,040
Uh it was intended to summarize the

1940
01:14:13,040 --> 01:14:15,040
evaluation process, explain how the

1941
01:14:15,040 --> 01:14:17,280
proposals were reviewed, and provide

1942
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,199
information to assist you in determining

1943
01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:21,360
how it how you would like to proceed

1944
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,239
with the recruitment. Um page one is

1945
01:14:24,239 --> 01:14:26,480
just the executive summary provides an

1946
01:14:26,480 --> 01:14:28,960
overview of the process, who responded

1947
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:32,000
and the overall evaluation results. Then

1948
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:35,440
we have a background um explains why we

1949
01:14:35,440 --> 01:14:37,440
did it and

1950
01:14:37,440 --> 01:14:40,159
what was from staff's understanding from

1951
01:14:40,159 --> 01:14:42,800
the commission important uh the emphasis

1952
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,480
on qualifications recruitment

1953
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:46,080
methodology due diligence and

1954
01:14:46,080 --> 01:14:48,800
stakeholder engagement. Then we go into

1955
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,280
the responses received. It identifies

1956
01:14:51,280 --> 01:14:53,920
the re the firms that submitted

1957
01:14:53,920 --> 01:14:56,719
proposals. We did receive eight seven we

1958
01:14:56,719 --> 01:15:01,510
considered respon

1959
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:03,199
the league was the non-responsive one

1960
01:15:03,199 --> 01:15:04,560
and they did advise they could not

1961
01:15:04,560 --> 01:15:06,000
provide the comprehensive recruitment

1962
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:08,880
services requested and instead submitted

1963
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:10,480
a limited recruitment assistance

1964
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:13,520
proposal um because they did not respond

1965
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:15,360
to the requested scope of work. It was

1966
01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:17,760
not included in the evaluation.

1967
01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:20,000
The report also notes that Austin Peters

1968
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:22,960
Group declined to submit a proposal.

1969
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:27,120
Um, if you turn to page three of the

1970
01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,800
RFP, you'll find the evaluation criteria

1971
01:15:30,800 --> 01:15:32,880
and that was municipal executive

1972
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:34,800
recruitment experience, city manager

1973
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,040
recruitment experience, due diligence

1974
01:15:37,040 --> 01:15:39,360
methodology, recruitment methodology,

1975
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:42,159
public engagement approach, project team

1976
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:44,800
qualifications and cost.

1977
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:48,000
Then you have the evaluation summary. Uh

1978
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:51,679
from those based on those criteria um

1979
01:15:51,679 --> 01:15:55,040
GMP consultants received a score of 96,

1980
01:15:55,040 --> 01:15:58,400
Colon Basinger and Associates 94, MGT

1981
01:15:58,400 --> 01:16:04,800
88, Cleur Professionals 87, GPS 85, WBCP

1982
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:08,719
83, and then Bob Marine Associates 78.

1983
01:16:08,719 --> 01:16:10,320
What was not included in the packet was

1984
01:16:10,320 --> 01:16:13,280
the cost uh for each proposal that was

1985
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:15,280
put on your desk along with the uh

1986
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:18,000
composite scores. Uh and then the

1987
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,120
proposed timing. Uh the schedule

1988
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:23,199
anticipates the commission discussion

1989
01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:27,280
that this evening hopefully um

1990
01:16:27,280 --> 01:16:29,360
you direct interviews with a short list

1991
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:32,080
of firms uh

1992
01:16:32,080 --> 01:16:34,080
by the August 10th meeting or if you

1993
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:36,320
choose just one, we can move forward as

1994
01:16:36,320 --> 01:16:38,320
far as

1995
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:39,600
getting a professional service

1996
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:41,920
agreement. So what we're asking the

1997
01:16:41,920 --> 01:16:44,400
commission to do is to have a discussion

1998
01:16:44,400 --> 01:16:47,360
and u eventually select a recruitment

1999
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,440
firm and authorize preparation of the

2000
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:51,600
professional service agreement. One

2001
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:53,360
thing that I did note in what I sent to

2002
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:56,560
the commission um earlier in the week so

2003
01:16:56,560 --> 01:16:59,120
you had time to review all of those 498

2004
01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,840
pages that came was that uh another

2005
01:17:01,840 --> 01:17:04,320
option would be for uh the recruitment

2006
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:07,840
to be handled in house using uh staff

2007
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,320
and

2008
01:17:10,320 --> 01:17:14,709
got pretty qualified. Yeah.

2009
01:17:14,719 --> 01:17:16,239
» Okay.

2010
01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:19,600
>> So, that first one, the GMP,

2011
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,199
I one of the things that kind of stuck

2012
01:17:21,199 --> 01:17:22,719
out to me when looking through theirs

2013
01:17:22,719 --> 01:17:24,960
was they're extremely heavy in the

2014
01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:26,960
Pacific Northwest and they don't I mean,

2015
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:28,560
I think the furthest east they ventured

2016
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:31,040
is maybe one or two searches in

2017
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:33,040
Colorado.

2018
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:35,280
>> I guess what

2019
01:17:35,280 --> 01:17:37,280
do you have any insight into? Does that

2020
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:39,920
really limit us on,

2021
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,640
you know, I guess this area or

2022
01:17:42,640 --> 01:17:44,320
>> No, because I I believe that most of

2023
01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,199
them do their um advertising and their

2024
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:49,920
recruitment from the same fishing holes.

2025
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:54,080
Uh whether they're they focus in uh the

2026
01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:56,400
Pacific Northwest or the East Coast, a

2027
01:17:56,400 --> 01:17:58,000
lot of them will do recruitments in

2028
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:01,040
other areas. Largely, they'll focus in

2029
01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:03,520
those areas because they're familiar

2030
01:18:03,520 --> 01:18:05,920
with those people in that area. that's

2031
01:18:05,920 --> 01:18:08,239
where they're they're housed out of.

2032
01:18:08,239 --> 01:18:10,239
But, uh, ideally, if you have somebody

2033
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:11,840
that's from the Midwest, that's

2034
01:18:11,840 --> 01:18:13,840
preferable because they're more familiar

2035
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:15,749
with the people that they're going to be

2036
01:18:15,749 --> 01:18:18,400
[clears throat] trying to get here. I do

2037
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,960
know that, uh, John Deirof did spend

2038
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:23,199
quite a bit of time on the phone calling

2039
01:18:23,199 --> 01:18:25,840
people, uh, saying, "Hey, there's an

2040
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:28,800
opportunity for you."

2041
01:18:28,800 --> 01:18:30,400
So, he just didn't put ads out in the

2042
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,400
paper. He was doing some calling and

2043
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:34,480
trying to get people out.

2044
01:18:34,480 --> 01:18:37,830
But no thank

2045
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:39,520
» was that when they were doing the search

2046
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:41,360
or was that here recently?

2047
01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:41,840
>> What's that

2048
01:18:41,840 --> 01:18:44,400
>> for? When did he make those phone calls?

2049
01:18:44,400 --> 01:18:45,760
>> Uh that was during the last search.

2050
01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:48,800
>> During the last search. Gotcha.

2051
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:50,640
>> Yeah. I think uh what might have been

2052
01:18:50,640 --> 01:18:53,520
missing and what we added to this one

2053
01:18:53,520 --> 01:18:55,840
was the uh the vetting and the public

2054
01:18:55,840 --> 01:19:01,910
engagement portion.

2055
01:19:01,920 --> 01:19:04,320
As far as my ranking, I went through and

2056
01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:08,080
read a majority of the 437 page

2057
01:19:08,080 --> 01:19:10,480
RFP

2058
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:14,880
responses. Um, Colin Bainger, uh, I had

2059
01:19:14,880 --> 01:19:17,440
them as my had that firm as my number

2060
01:19:17,440 --> 01:19:20,320
one. They had a great warranty. They

2061
01:19:20,320 --> 01:19:23,120
really had a good price guarantee, too.

2062
01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:25,120
Uh, good search process. They all had

2063
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,600
good search processes and they were all

2064
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:30,800
very good. But what stuck out to me with

2065
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:34,400
them is the fact that they were so

2066
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:37,520
staunch on their reputation and um said

2067
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:40,080
they get it done at at that price

2068
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:43,280
regardless of what it cost them. Um my

2069
01:19:43,280 --> 01:19:46,640
second choice would be Clear uh Career

2070
01:19:46,640 --> 01:19:50,400
Professionals. Um they're localish

2071
01:19:50,400 --> 01:19:53,520
Midwest Oklahoma got a podcast. I think

2072
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:57,199
that's a unique avenue to recruit and

2073
01:19:57,199 --> 01:20:01,360
find uh city managers. Um I liked GPS

2074
01:20:01,360 --> 01:20:03,840
also. Uh they have a former Kansas guy

2075
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:07,440
on their staff. They placed um Salina

2076
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:10,960
Junction and have done a lot in in

2077
01:20:10,960 --> 01:20:15,679
Kansas. Um I steered away from GMP

2078
01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:17,679
because they were all Pacific Northwest

2079
01:20:17,679 --> 01:20:21,199
for the most part. Same thing with MGT.

2080
01:20:21,199 --> 01:20:24,000
um they didn't travel much further east

2081
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:27,440
than Montana. Um and I didn't really see

2082
01:20:27,440 --> 01:20:32,640
much in in WBCP or Bob Marie as far as

2083
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:35,920
compatibility with regionality or um

2084
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:38,400
experience in our areas.

2085
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:53,830
So that was my list.

2086
01:20:53,840 --> 01:20:55,440
» Yeah. My my I guess when I was going

2087
01:20:55,440 --> 01:20:58,159
through them too, my top was that Ben

2088
01:20:58,159 --> 01:20:59,920
Colin Benzinger, however you want to

2089
01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:00,480
pronounce that.

2090
01:21:00,480 --> 01:21:01,520
>> Yeah, that's my one.

2091
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:04,239
>> And then um I think we just had our

2092
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:05,840
second and thirds flipped. I think I had

2093
01:21:05,840 --> 01:21:08,960
GPS and then clear career if I remember

2094
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:10,239
correctly. I didn't. I should have

2095
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:12,601
numbered them on here.

2096
01:21:12,601 --> 01:21:25,750
[snorts]

2097
01:21:25,760 --> 01:21:27,920
» Did you say in-house is a possibility?

2098
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,159
Is that what you said? And what would

2099
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:32,239
that look like? like we just have our

2100
01:21:32,239 --> 01:21:38,790
staff find us a city manager.

2101
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:40,640
» Okay. Yeah. I mean I kind of like that

2102
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:43,679
idea that

2103
01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:47,760
>> you still have cost associated with that

2104
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:48,880
checks.

2105
01:21:48,880 --> 01:21:50,320
>> Okay.

2106
01:21:50,320 --> 01:21:52,000
on

2107
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:55,280
city negotiations,

2108
01:21:55,280 --> 01:22:00,629
which I believe you did the last.

2109
01:22:00,639 --> 01:22:02,080
What do you think a timeline on that

2110
01:22:02,080 --> 01:22:03,280
would be? Would that be something that

2111
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,480
we can give that a shot internally and

2112
01:22:06,480 --> 01:22:08,719
um save $30,000

2113
01:22:08,719 --> 01:22:11,920
and put a timeline on it? And if that

2114
01:22:11,920 --> 01:22:15,040
doesn't turn up any good candidates then

2115
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:20,000
we can revisit with interviewing um you

2116
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:22,400
know using this existing

2117
01:22:22,400 --> 01:22:24,000
results

2118
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:26,960
and interviewing the three companies. I

2119
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:33,030
don't know the job.

2120
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:34,239
» I don't know that we'd be able to give

2121
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:36,639
you, hey, we're doing great on

2122
01:22:36,639 --> 01:22:38,080
recruiting folks because we'd have to

2123
01:22:38,080 --> 01:22:40,239
come up with the same thing that the um

2124
01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:41,920
these firms would be. What are your

2125
01:22:41,920 --> 01:22:44,880
priorities uh as a manager? Maybe they

2126
01:22:44,880 --> 01:22:46,560
haven't changed a lot. What do you

2127
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,159
what's the salary going to be? What are

2128
01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:50,159
the educational requirements? Is there a

2129
01:22:50,159 --> 01:22:52,560
residency requirement? Package that up,

2130
01:22:52,560 --> 01:22:54,480
send it out, and then how long do we

2131
01:22:54,480 --> 01:22:56,639
give them? Then we give them 30 days to

2132
01:22:56,639 --> 01:22:59,600
respond. Uh, and then we said, "Hey,

2133
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:01,360
we're not getting anything. I'm not sure

2134
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:02,800
these bids would still be good."

2135
01:23:02,800 --> 01:23:04,000
>> Yeah.

2136
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:05,440
That's what I was asking. That's

2137
01:23:05,440 --> 01:23:09,040
what I was curious on.

2138
01:23:09,040 --> 01:23:11,199
>> Yeah. And I kind of I kind of like

2139
01:23:11,199 --> 01:23:14,719
having a third party involved just to I

2140
01:23:14,719 --> 01:23:15,840
mean, [clears throat] you had mentioned

2141
01:23:15,840 --> 01:23:18,239
there's a warranty aspect to it as well.

2142
01:23:18,239 --> 01:23:20,639
Um, and I think they have the I mean

2143
01:23:20,639 --> 01:23:24,639
they have the real world experience of vetting these candidates and really

2144
01:23:24,639 --> 01:23:25,679
digging into them.

2145
01:23:25,679 --> 01:23:26,480
>> Yeah.

2146
01:23:26,480 --> 01:23:28,159
>> Not saying staff couldn't do that, but

2147
01:23:28,159 --> 01:23:30,480
they I mean they do this dayto day

2148
01:23:30,480 --> 01:23:32,000
>> and the network to find them,

2149
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:32,880
>> right?

2150
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:33,600
>> That's huge.

2151
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:36,080
>> I think it would open up our pool a

2152
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:38,080
little bit, but it's kind of like

2153
01:23:38,080 --> 01:23:39,920
publishing things in the or putting

2154
01:23:39,920 --> 01:23:41,760
notifications in the newspaper. It's a

2155
01:23:41,760 --> 01:23:43,199
third party record. And kind of the same

2156
01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:44,960
thing here. you get a third party to

2157
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:46,880
kind of I guess weed through a lot of

2158
01:23:46,880 --> 01:23:47,920
that for you.

2159
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:49,760
>> Well, and they probably keep track of,

2160
01:23:49,760 --> 01:23:51,840
you know, who's getting close to or

2161
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:53,077
getting ready to move

2162
01:23:53,077 --> 01:23:54,560
[snorts and clears throat] on or

2163
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:55,760
>> things like that. So,

2164
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:56,159
>> yeah,

2165
01:23:56,159 --> 01:23:57,520
>> who to go after,

2166
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:04,080
>> right? Yeah, they have a lot of inner knowledge as far as the that

2167
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:08,159
world, especially u you know, uh GPS. I

2168
01:24:08,159 --> 01:24:10,719
mean, they deal almost strictly with

2169
01:24:10,719 --> 01:24:12,480
city officials. So,

2170
01:24:12,480 --> 01:24:14,239
>> yeah. I think you mentioned that that

2171
01:24:14,239 --> 01:24:15,760
one of them was former city manager

2172
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:16,400
camp,

2173
01:24:16,400 --> 01:24:17,920
>> right? Yep. Yep.

2174
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:19,199
>> And I believe they're both attorneys

2175
01:24:19,199 --> 01:24:20,320
now,

2176
01:24:20,320 --> 01:24:23,440
>> Commissioner Taylor. Um I think I had

2177
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:25,280
WBCP a little bit higher. Were they on

2178
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:26,480
Did they make your list?

2179
01:24:26,480 --> 01:24:27,280
>> They did not.

2180
01:24:27,280 --> 01:24:27,600
>> Okay.

2181
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:31,920
>> I did not have ABCP on on mine. I had um

2182
01:24:31,920 --> 01:24:35,280
Banezinger one and you could probably

2183
01:24:35,280 --> 01:24:38,639
put clear career and GPS type for two.

2184
01:24:38,639 --> 01:24:40,719
That was kind of where I was sitting. I

2185
01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:51,350
think WB CP was my fourth.

2186
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,120
And I think honestly I think the only

2187
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:54,400
reason they were my fourth was just

2188
01:24:54,400 --> 01:24:57,040
because it was a lot of add-ons.

2189
01:24:57,040 --> 01:24:58,800
Um which could be beneficial if we're

2190
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:00,400
not needing all of them. It could lower

2191
01:25:00,400 --> 01:25:02,320
their cost a little bit

2192
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:04,080
>> unless we end up needing them all.

2193
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,719
>> It's kind of like 50/50 on additional

2194
01:25:06,719 --> 01:25:08,400
expenses and they were

2195
01:25:08,400 --> 01:25:09,440
>> kind of the low

2196
01:25:09,440 --> 01:25:11,040
>> Yeah. low cost out of the gate and it

2197
01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:13,600
seems like they're very qualified. I

2198
01:25:13,600 --> 01:25:15,040
don't think there's any question about

2199
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:16,560
competency. I was just kind of curious

2200
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:17,760
if you had a

2201
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:18,159
>> right

2202
01:25:18,159 --> 01:25:23,189
>> reason why they didn't rank higher.

2203
01:25:23,199 --> 01:25:27,440
» I think no, nothing really stuck out. I

2204
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:30,080
was I was looking for a lot of regional

2205
01:25:30,080 --> 01:25:32,239
um experience just because I want them

2206
01:25:32,239 --> 01:25:34,080
to know

2207
01:25:34,080 --> 01:25:37,120
um I don't know, I guess who we are, I

2208
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:38,719
guess. So, I was looking for that.

2209
01:25:38,719 --> 01:25:40,239
That's why I eliminated a couple of

2210
01:25:40,239 --> 01:25:43,440
those West Coast firms

2211
01:25:43,440 --> 01:25:47,120
and that's why I bumped up um

2212
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:50,960
Clear and GPS so high because I know GMP

2213
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:52,880
looked fantastic too, but them just

2214
01:25:52,880 --> 01:25:54,480
being on the West Coast, I mean that's

2215
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:57,040
just my internal rankings.

2216
01:25:57,040 --> 01:25:58,960
>> Yeah,

2217
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:00,239
it's no fault of them and it knocked

2218
01:26:00,239 --> 01:26:02,320
them down a few pigs for me too.

2219
01:26:02,320 --> 01:26:02,719
>> Yeah.

2220
01:26:02,719 --> 01:26:06,159
No, it's a great firm. just

2221
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:08,400
I feel like having local knowledge is

2222
01:26:08,400 --> 01:26:09,440
important.

2223
01:26:09,440 --> 01:26:12,800
>> You think I mean I guess doing a Zoom

2224
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:15,600
interview with four of them is that

2225
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,040
excessive.

2226
01:26:17,040 --> 01:26:20,560
>> I think three would be like I don't

2227
01:26:20,560 --> 01:26:24,000
know. I'd like to do fewer if possible.

2228
01:26:24,000 --> 01:26:25,280
>> Going to say this. I'd have to agree

2229
01:26:25,280 --> 01:26:26,880
with Commissioner Kohhoff. Three would

2230
01:26:26,880 --> 01:26:28,320
be the fewer the possible.

2231
01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:33,544
>> Mhm.

2232
01:26:33,554 --> 01:26:37,189
» [clears throat]

2233
01:26:37,199 --> 01:26:38,560
» I did just pull up their list. They've

2234
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:40,400
got a bunch of states. WBCP has a bunch

2235
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:43,280
of states, but it's six people outside

2236
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:45,760
of the state of California. [laughter]

2237
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:47,280
There's like one person in Idaho, one

2238
01:26:47,280 --> 01:26:48,159
person.

2239
01:26:48,159 --> 01:26:50,400
>> That's Yeah, that's probably why they

2240
01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:56,870
didn't make mine.

2241
01:26:56,880 --> 01:26:59,360
It seemed like Benzinger was definitely

2242
01:26:59,360 --> 01:27:01,360
one that we'd want to consider.

2243
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:04,480
>> Yeah, for sure.

2244
01:27:04,480 --> 01:27:05,760
>> Would you want to do the interviews

2245
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:07,440
during the August 10th meeting or

2246
01:27:07,440 --> 01:27:09,440
schedule a special meeting so that focus

2247
01:27:09,440 --> 01:27:11,920
just on that and they're not back to

2248
01:27:11,920 --> 01:27:13,520
back. For example, if you're

2249
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:16,480
interviewing all say three, you schedule

2250
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:18,480
30 minutes for each same regular

2251
01:27:18,480 --> 01:27:21,280
meeting. It's a regular meeting. Well, I

2252
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:23,120
guess any meeting, but uh they could

2253
01:27:23,120 --> 01:27:26,320
listen into your interviews.

2254
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:27,840
>> You can't interview them in executive

2255
01:27:27,840 --> 01:27:30,080
session.

2256
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,960
>> Uh no, because they would not be

2257
01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:34,400
employee personnel that we're hiring.

2258
01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:35,840
They're independent contractors. So, it

2259
01:27:35,840 --> 01:27:37,600
would need to occur in an open public

2260
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:40,320
setting. And the rule is if any portion

2261
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:42,960
of our meeting is televised, the

2262
01:27:42,960 --> 01:27:44,719
entirety of that meeting needs to be

2263
01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:47,120
televised. If you wish to have a special

2264
01:27:47,120 --> 01:27:49,199
meeting for this purpose so as to

2265
01:27:49,199 --> 01:27:51,840
preclude interviewed candidates from

2266
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:54,000
seeing the responses from those who go

2267
01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:55,760
before them, you could do that with the

2268
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:57,600
plan of not televising any portion of

2269
01:27:57,600 --> 01:27:58,320
that meeting.

2270
01:27:58,320 --> 01:28:01,040
>> We could do a study session also.

2271
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:02,719
>> Yeah.

2272
01:28:02,719 --> 01:28:04,560
>> Yes. If it it would be a separate

2273
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:08,960
meeting uh apart from any other

2274
01:28:08,960 --> 01:28:11,520
regular meeting that's televised. Yes,

2275
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:12,960
you could call it a study session. Mhm.

2276
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:14,080
Well, I guess I'm saying our study

2277
01:28:14,080 --> 01:28:15,760
sessions aren't televised if I I guess I

2278
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:16,960
don't know why we wouldn't necessarily

2279
01:28:16,960 --> 01:28:18,400
want this to be televised unless there's

2280
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:19,920
something that they don't want to be

2281
01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:22,480
televised. I guess um I'm not sure if

2282
01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:23,120
that's the case.

2283
01:28:23,120 --> 01:28:24,239
>> I don't think they'd have a problem with

2284
01:28:24,239 --> 01:28:26,639
it. Just if the other people were

2285
01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:30,159
watching, so if I'm WCBP and I'm third

2286
01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:31,440
to be interviewed, I might want to watch

2287
01:28:31,440 --> 01:28:33,440
the other two. And

2288
01:28:33,440 --> 01:28:35,840
>> I think that's all fair.

2289
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,639
>> Yeah,

2290
01:28:38,639 --> 01:28:43,840
I'd go Bayinger for sure. Um, and then I

2291
01:28:43,840 --> 01:28:46,239
don't Deb Amy, what are your thoughts on

2292
01:28:46,239 --> 01:28:49,040
two and three? I, like I said, I'm clear

2293
01:28:49,040 --> 01:28:51,040
career and GPS. Those are my

2294
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:52,000
>> That's where I was at.

2295
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:53,440
>> I'm good with those, too.

2296
01:28:53,440 --> 01:28:55,600
>> Okay. Do you want to set up interviews

2297
01:28:55,600 --> 01:29:00,470
for those three?

2298
01:29:00,480 --> 01:29:02,400
» I'd be fine with that.

2299
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:02,960
>> Yes, please.

2300
01:29:02,960 --> 01:29:03,440
>> Sounds good.

2301
01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:05,280
>> Special special meeting or during the

2302
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:08,239
August 10th meeting? Let's do

2303
01:29:08,239 --> 01:29:09,840
I I don't

2304
01:29:09,840 --> 01:29:11,360
>> I'm no preference

2305
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,120
>> was kind of having trouble. It just hit

2306
01:29:13,120 --> 01:29:14,320
me that they're going to go like one

2307
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:15,760
bang bang bang, right? So having that

2308
01:29:15,760 --> 01:29:16,960
televised like

2309
01:29:16,960 --> 01:29:18,800
>> arguably the third one might have some

2310
01:29:18,800 --> 01:29:20,400
benefit.

2311
01:29:20,400 --> 01:29:22,159
>> So I think from that perspective I think

2312
01:29:22,159 --> 01:29:24,000
>> study sessions the way to go

2313
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:24,719
>> off camera.

2314
01:29:24,719 --> 01:29:26,239
>> Yeah. Or you just have it under August

2315
01:29:26,239 --> 01:29:27,280
10th study session.

2316
01:29:27,280 --> 01:29:29,280
>> That's what we were alluding to and that

2317
01:29:29,280 --> 01:29:30,719
not to say that's right or wrong but

2318
01:29:30,719 --> 01:29:33,280
that's a consideration uh for you if

2319
01:29:33,280 --> 01:29:35,280
you're going consecutive interviews.

2320
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:37,280
they noticed we were favoring this

2321
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:38,960
aspect over a different one, they could

2322
01:29:38,960 --> 01:29:41,520
kind of tailor theirs real quick to

2323
01:29:41,520 --> 01:29:43,520
>> Yeah, I think that is going to give us

2324
01:29:43,520 --> 01:29:44,639
better information too.

2325
01:29:44,639 --> 01:29:46,560
>> Study session then

2326
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:47,360
>> August 10th.

2327
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:48,639
>> Yeah, let's do it.

2328
01:29:48,639 --> 01:29:50,560
>> Um,

2329
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:52,960
do you want to just be a free interview,

2330
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:54,560
have them introduce themselves and their

2331
01:29:54,560 --> 01:29:55,760
philosophy and then you can ask

2332
01:29:55,760 --> 01:29:57,040
questions based on that or do you want

2333
01:29:57,040 --> 01:30:00,560
to have set questions?

2334
01:30:00,560 --> 01:30:02,480
>> We'd want to have it to be interactive.

2335
01:30:02,480 --> 01:30:04,320
>> Yeah. Are we assuming they're all going

2336
01:30:04,320 --> 01:30:06,880
to be on Zoom or are we planning for in

2337
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:08,480
person or Zoom?

2338
01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:09,440
>> I would guess Zoom.

2339
01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:11,120
too. Yeah,

2340
01:30:11,120 --> 01:30:12,480
>> I think we would just I think we should

2341
01:30:12,480 --> 01:30:13,920
just set it up as Zoom and not give them

2342
01:30:13,920 --> 01:30:14,719
the option that way.

2343
01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:16,159
>> Yeah, they'll be in the room.

2344
01:30:16,159 --> 01:30:17,920
>> The travel costs aren't associated with

2345
01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:18,320
it.

2346
01:30:18,320 --> 01:30:19,199
>> Yeah.

2347
01:30:19,199 --> 01:30:20,960
>> And then just have just tell them that

2348
01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,120
uh you'd like to interview them and they

2349
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:24,960
can start by introducing themselves and

2350
01:30:24,960 --> 01:30:25,440
>> Yeah.

2351
01:30:25,440 --> 01:30:28,000
>> Uh then you guys can ask questions. How

2352
01:30:28,000 --> 01:30:29,360
long

2353
01:30:29,360 --> 01:30:31,199
>> would they anticipate?

2354
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:33,360
Uh, I would think I mean 30 minutes

2355
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:34,080
>> 30 minutes

2356
01:30:34,080 --> 01:30:34,960
>> piece we could leave

2357
01:30:34,960 --> 01:30:36,000
>> that would be good

2358
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:40,159
>> 20 minute interview with a 10-minute gap

2359
01:30:40,159 --> 01:30:42,080
>> between

2360
01:30:42,080 --> 01:30:43,199
definitely want to leave a little gap

2361
01:30:43,199 --> 01:30:44,800
just to

2362
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:46,239
>> Yeah, I would think that' be fine.

2363
01:30:46,239 --> 01:30:47,600
>> Do you want to see what they I mean is

2364
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:48,960
there a

2365
01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:50,320
>> Yeah. Do they have to remember what we

2366
01:30:50,320 --> 01:30:51,280
did on there

2367
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:53,679
>> industry standard pitch time? I guess

2368
01:30:53,679 --> 01:30:54,880
they have

2369
01:30:54,880 --> 01:30:58,159
>> sure. I don't last time with you guys uh

2370
01:30:58,159 --> 01:31:00,000
the last recruitment you just selected

2371
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:00,960
uh

2372
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:02,400
>> yeah we didn't interview

2373
01:31:02,400 --> 01:31:07,990
>> I just didn't know if there was a

2374
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:09,760
» hey 30 minutes apart

2375
01:31:09,760 --> 01:31:12,159
>> we 30 minutes with 10 minutes in between

2376
01:31:12,159 --> 01:31:13,600
so that way if you guys want to discuss

2377
01:31:13,600 --> 01:31:15,679
something if you're done discussing it

2378
01:31:15,679 --> 01:31:16,960
we can pick up the phone and say are you

2379
01:31:16,960 --> 01:31:18,000
ready and dial them in

2380
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:19,600
>> yeah I think so

2381
01:31:19,600 --> 01:31:22,080
>> just ask them to be ready in this window

2382
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,719
right Okay.

2383
01:31:24,719 --> 01:31:27,199
>> And just to be clear, uh, Basinger,

2384
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:29,120
Clear, Clear, and GPN,

2385
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:30,400
>> correct?

2386
01:31:30,400 --> 01:31:38,950
>> Thank you.

2387
01:31:38,960 --> 01:31:40,480
» Is this going to be at the study session

2388
01:31:40,480 --> 01:31:42,159
after the regular meeting on August?

2389
01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:44,000
>> Yes. Make that agenda light.

2390
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:46,000
>> Okay. Because we'll have to we won't

2391
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,480
have a definite start time depending on

2392
01:31:48,480 --> 01:31:49,920
how long the agenda is either to give

2393
01:31:49,920 --> 01:31:51,760
them either if it's after a meeting.

2394
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:53,920
>> Yeah.

2395
01:31:53,920 --> 01:31:56,000
I mean technically if they if we had to

2396
01:31:56,000 --> 01:31:59,520
if something came up they could adjourn

2397
01:31:59,520 --> 01:32:02,800
uh or recess the uh regular meeting and

2398
01:32:02,800 --> 01:32:04,480
then come back if they had to.

2399
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:06,880
>> Okay,

2400
01:32:06,880 --> 01:32:08,719
>> that was a good thought too, Shannon.

2401
01:32:08,719 --> 01:32:11,600
Hadn't thought of that. So

2402
01:32:11,600 --> 01:32:14,320
>> um next item under heading eight new

2403
01:32:14,320 --> 01:32:16,320
business is 8A. Consider scheduling a

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01:32:16,320 --> 01:32:17,520
joint meeting with the Abene Public

2405
01:32:17,520 --> 01:32:19,840
Library Board. Yeah, this is just to

2406
01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:21,600
gauge whether or not the city commission

2407
01:32:21,600 --> 01:32:23,040
would like to schedule a joint meeting

2408
01:32:23,040 --> 01:32:25,600
with the libraries board to discuss

2409
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:27,280
issues that have been discussed recently

2410
01:32:27,280 --> 01:32:31,120
between city staff uh library staff and

2411
01:32:31,120 --> 01:32:34,239
the library board. The uh beginning on

2412
01:32:34,239 --> 01:32:37,120
pages 98.99 of your packet, we summarize

2413
01:32:37,120 --> 01:32:39,280
the recent correspondence between city

2414
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:41,600
staff and the library board regarding

2415
01:32:41,600 --> 01:32:44,320
the interpretation of the 2011 lease

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01:32:44,320 --> 01:32:46,639
agreement, the statutory budget process

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01:32:46,639 --> 01:32:48,880
for the library, uh the ordinance which

2418
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,840
establishes the maximum levy and the

2419
01:32:51,840 --> 01:32:53,600
respective responsibilities of city

2420
01:32:53,600 --> 01:32:56,560
commission. Um

2421
01:32:56,560 --> 01:32:58,400
you may ask well why a joint meeting?

2422
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:00,800
Well, the lease agreement specifically

2423
01:33:00,800 --> 01:33:03,199
recognizes that issues concerning the

2424
01:33:03,199 --> 01:33:05,760
application of the agreement uh may

2425
01:33:05,760 --> 01:33:07,840
arise and provides that unresolved

2426
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:09,440
issues may be addressed through a joint

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01:33:09,440 --> 01:33:12,320
meeting of both boards. Uh the intent of

2428
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:14,239
the meeting would to bring everybody

2429
01:33:14,239 --> 01:33:16,800
together at the same table so both

2430
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:18,719
governing bodies uh have the same

2431
01:33:18,719 --> 01:33:20,159
information, can ask each other

2432
01:33:20,159 --> 01:33:21,840
questions and develop a common

2433
01:33:21,840 --> 01:33:24,639
understanding moving forward. Um, the

2434
01:33:24,639 --> 01:33:27,360
recommendation for a joint meeting

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01:33:27,360 --> 01:33:29,520
between the two governing bodies should

2436
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,440
not be viewed as suggesting that either

2437
01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:34,000
party is right or wrong. Rather, it

2438
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:36,480
flect city staff's belief that matters

2439
01:33:36,480 --> 01:33:38,239
involving shared governance are best

2440
01:33:38,239 --> 01:33:39,920
resolved through open discussion among

2441
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:41,679
all parties rather than continued

2442
01:33:41,679 --> 01:33:44,400
written correspondence back and forth.

2443
01:33:44,400 --> 01:33:46,880
Um, proposed topics which they can be

2444
01:33:46,880 --> 01:33:48,960
anything that you and the library board

2445
01:33:48,960 --> 01:33:51,120
uh choose, but staff would recommend

2446
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:53,120
reviewing the lease agreement.

2447
01:33:53,120 --> 01:33:54,320
clarifying the respective

2448
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:56,239
responsibilities of the city and the

2449
01:33:56,239 --> 01:33:59,120
library under the lease. Reviewing the

2450
01:33:59,120 --> 01:34:01,440
statutory budget process applicable to

2451
01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:04,000
the library fund. Uh reviewing the

2452
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,800
ordinance establishing the maximum levy

2453
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,480
and then develop a shared understanding

2454
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:10,960
of these matters moving forward. for the

2455
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:12,560
governing body's supposed to understand

2456
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:16,320
and then uh Wendy and I and other staff

2457
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:19,360
Cara and Carrie I mean case we all have

2458
01:34:19,360 --> 01:34:22,080
a shared understanding

2459
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:24,480
and since that's 15year-old agreement

2460
01:34:24,480 --> 01:34:26,080
it's I think it's good that it's

2461
01:34:26,080 --> 01:34:28,080
revisited and the boards get together

2462
01:34:28,080 --> 01:34:30,639
and decide how you want that to look.

2463
01:34:30,639 --> 01:34:32,880
Um,

2464
01:34:32,880 --> 01:34:35,440
so our recommendation is if the uh

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01:34:35,440 --> 01:34:36,880
library board, I believe they're still

2466
01:34:36,880 --> 01:34:39,679
all here, uh, would like to is for us to

2467
01:34:39,679 --> 01:34:42,320
schedule a joint meeting, uh, at a

2468
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:44,320
mutually agreeable date, time, and

2469
01:34:44,320 --> 01:34:48,239
agenda and then, um, we'll develop an

2470
01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:51,760
agenda focus on those topics.

2471
01:34:51,760 --> 01:34:53,600
Any that's something you'd be interested

2472
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:55,440
in doing?

2473
01:34:55,440 --> 01:34:57,840
Yeah, that would be would you like to be

2474
01:34:57,840 --> 01:35:00,800
a regular study session or a special uh

2475
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,600
meeting focus just on that?

2476
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:05,440
>> What uh I'm curious what the library

2477
01:35:05,440 --> 01:35:07,280
board might have in mind. Would you want

2478
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:10,639
to do that as part of a regular meeting,

2479
01:35:10,639 --> 01:35:13,120
regular study session? I'm open to

2480
01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:14,800
whatever works for you guys. Yeah, if we

2481
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:18,320
do a regular study session, we'd have

2482
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:22,880
to wait until the 24th of August

2483
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:25,280
because this that next the 10th would be

2484
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:26,880
pretty much eaten up with the

2485
01:35:26,880 --> 01:35:27,840
>> the interviews

2486
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,080
>> interviews. Is there I mean is there a

2487
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:31,199
time?

2488
01:35:31,199 --> 01:35:32,639
>> No, there's no hurry that

2489
01:35:32,639 --> 01:35:34,591
>> I was going to say there's nothing to

2490
01:35:34,591 --> 01:35:36,560
[clears throat]

2491
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:39,040
I would say a study session on the 24th

2492
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:42,320
if you guys are

2493
01:35:42,320 --> 01:35:45,520
open. Does that work?

2494
01:35:45,520 --> 01:35:47,760
works for me. My schedule study session

2495
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:49,600
on the 24th.

2496
01:35:49,600 --> 01:35:51,520
>> Does that work for you guys?

2497
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:52,320
>> Yep.

2498
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:53,760
>> Yeah.

2499
01:35:53,760 --> 01:35:57,600
>> Uh does the agenda topics

2500
01:35:57,600 --> 01:35:59,120
are they okay with everybody? Something

2501
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:03,750
we need to add?

2502
01:36:03,760 --> 01:36:05,760
I envision that I would ask the city

2503
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:09,360
attorney to review the lease agreement.

2504
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:11,280
Then we would discuss the statutory

2505
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:14,000
budget process.

2506
01:36:14,000 --> 01:36:17,920
Then uh discuss the uh maximum levy.

2507
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:21,280
Then we open it up to just a discussion

2508
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:23,520
between the two boards.

2509
01:36:23,520 --> 01:36:25,679
>> Staff will sit back and

2510
01:36:25,679 --> 01:36:26,800
>> does that cover everything that the

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01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:31,189
library wanted to discuss.

2512
01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:33,199
» Thank you. Can always amend our agenda

2513
01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:34,800
on the day of if something pops up.

2514
01:36:34,800 --> 01:36:37,199
>> That works for me. In a study session,

2515
01:36:37,199 --> 01:36:40,080
it'll be a lot of back and forth and

2516
01:36:40,080 --> 01:36:44,560
might bring up new topics anyways. Yeah.

2517
01:36:44,560 --> 01:36:49,510
>> 11. So there's

2518
01:36:49,520 --> 01:37:00,629
» Yeah.

2519
01:37:00,639 --> 01:37:01,360
» Sounds like a plan.

2520
01:37:01,360 --> 01:37:02,239
>> Yeah. Yeah. Thanks.

2521
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:04,880
>> And we're going to interview people or

2522
01:37:04,880 --> 01:37:07,440
you will and then on the uh 24th meet

2523
01:37:07,440 --> 01:37:08,719
with the library board. Yeah.

2524
01:37:08,719 --> 01:37:10,320
>> Yep. And then in September, we'll bring

2525
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:11,760
you some opinions of problem

2526
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:14,159
construction costs for I believe it's

2527
01:37:14,159 --> 01:37:18,000
seven identified plus

2528
01:37:18,000 --> 01:37:18,560
>> summit.

2529
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:19,920
Thank you.

2530
01:37:19,920 --> 01:37:21,360
>> Yeah, 17th.

2531
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:22,320
>> Northwest 17th.

2532
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:24,960
>> 17th and

2533
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:25,920
>> yeah, thank you.

2534
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:28,800
>> I can only think of Gary. That's

2535
01:37:28,800 --> 01:37:29,840
>> it is Gary Void.

2536
01:37:29,840 --> 01:37:34,070
>> Yep.

2537
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,400
Okay. Do we have anything to add with

2538
01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:37,520
the department reports that were

2539
01:37:37,520 --> 01:37:39,280
included in the backup?

2540
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:40,639
>> I did. I forgot. So, no.

2541
01:37:40,639 --> 01:37:42,239
>> Okay.

2542
01:37:42,239 --> 01:37:43,600
We have nothing further. I'd

2543
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:46,400
consider a motion to adjurnn.

2544
01:37:46,400 --> 01:37:48,960
>> Motion to adjurnn.

2545
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:49,600
>> Second.

2546
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:51,040
>> Motion has been moved and seconded. Do

2547
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:54,159
we have any commission discussion?

2548
01:37:54,159 --> 01:37:55,600
>> Seeing none, we'll do a roll call vote.

2549
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:56,639
Vice Mayor Taylor.

2550
01:37:56,639 --> 01:37:56,960
>> Yes.

2551
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:57,840
>> Commissioner Koloff.

2552
01:37:57,840 --> 01:37:58,239
>> Hi.

2553
01:37:58,239 --> 01:37:59,119
>> Commissioner Lidle.

2554
01:37:59,119 --> 01:37:59,440
>> Yes.

2555
01:37:59,440 --> 01:38:00,480
>> Commissioner Meisenberg?

2556
01:38:00,480 --> 01:38:03,119
>> Yes. myself.