1 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,960 left. 2 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:25,160 » Let me get let Chad sit down there. 3 00:05:25,759 --> 00:05:30,720 » Well, that wasn't the plan, but I miss y'all too much. 4 00:05:29,199 --> 00:05:35,440 » Welcome to the Town of Abington, Virginia Planning Commission regular 5 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:39,680 meeting. We appreciate your interest and we encourage public participation in our 6 00:05:37,680 --> 00:05:44,000 meeting. Your comments are important to our decision-making process. Please note 7 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:48,960 that there will be two opportunities during the meeting for you to address 8 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:54,720 commission members. The first will come when I ask for public comment for items 9 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:59,680 not on the agenda. The second will come if there is a public hearing once the 10 00:05:56,639 --> 00:06:05,039 chair declares the hearing open for comment. In each case, anyone addressing 11 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:09,840 the commission shall approach the podium, give your first and last name, 12 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:14,240 and your complete physical address. Comments must be limited to three 13 00:06:11,840 --> 00:06:17,039 minutes. Roll call. >> Mr. Austin, 14 00:06:15,199 --> 00:06:18,960 » present. >> Mr. Johnson, 15 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,800 » present. >> Mr. Thompson, 16 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:24,560 » present. >> Mr. Pennington, 17 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:26,400 » I made it. >> Present. Sorry. 18 00:06:25,440 --> 00:06:28,160 » Mr. Sprouls, >> present. 19 00:06:27,280 --> 00:06:29,520 » Mr. Wilson, >> present. 20 00:06:28,800 --> 00:06:34,080 » Mr. Schuman, >> present. All right. Uh the next order 21 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:40,319 business is approval of the minutes for the July 28th, 2025 regular meeting. Are 22 00:06:38,400 --> 00:06:45,120 there any additions or corrections to the minutes? 23 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:49,039 If if not, is there a motion that they approved be approved as submitted? 24 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,800 » Some moved. >> All right. Is there a second? 25 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:55,440 » Second. >> All right. Any additional discussion? If 26 00:06:53,759 --> 00:06:56,960 not, if you would call the role. >> Mr. Austin. 27 00:06:56,319 --> 00:06:58,479 » I. >> Mr. Johnson? 28 00:06:57,840 --> 00:07:01,039 » I. >> Mr. Thompson. Hi, 29 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,400 » Mr. Pennington. >> I 30 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,759 » Mr. Sprouls. >> Hi, 31 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:04,960 » Mr. Wilson. >> Hi. 32 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:08,160 » And Mr. Schuman. >> Hi. 33 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:12,960 » Next order of business is public comment for items not on the agenda. Is there 34 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:15,919 anybody signed up to make public comment? Is there anybody in the 35 00:07:14,319 --> 00:07:20,000 audience who would want to make public comment? 36 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:26,560 All right. If not, we'll move on to the first certificate of appropriateness. Um 37 00:07:23,919 --> 00:07:30,400 and uh Gabe, do you want to mention what we're the fact that Jerry SCs cannot be 38 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,840 here tonight? >> Sure. 39 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:36,240 » Um and >> yeah, so uh the applicants did plan on 40 00:07:34,319 --> 00:07:39,440 being here, but some medical issues came up and so talking with county, we felt 41 00:07:38,319 --> 00:07:43,360 that these were still pretty straightforward applications. So 42 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:47,280 obviously at the board's discretion, the commission's discretion, but uh we felt 43 00:07:45,599 --> 00:07:51,440 that, you know, a motion could possibly be made unless you guys have some other 44 00:07:49,199 --> 00:07:54,080 additional questions. Uh but yeah, we'll kind of go from there and see what you 45 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:57,360 guys what's the pleasure of the commission. 46 00:07:54,560 --> 00:08:01,759 » It appeared to that these >> potential certificates are pretty much 47 00:07:59,919 --> 00:08:06,160 cut and dried. If for some reason there is a disagreement, we can to table it, 48 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:11,039 but otherwise it doesn't appear to me that it would be appropriate to delay 49 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:16,319 for no particular reason. So anyway, the first certificate of appropriateness, 50 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:20,960 Jerry Suns, applicant Jesse L. Owens and Charles O. bird owner certificate of 51 00:08:19,039 --> 00:08:26,960 appropriateness for non-illuminated projecting and window signage located at 52 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:32,919 252 West Main Street, Abington, Virginia 24210 53 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:32,919 parentheses parcel 012-1-131 54 00:08:33,279 --> 00:08:41,440 in parenthesis staff report. >> Yes. All things custom applicant Jesse 55 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:45,600 L. Owens and Charles O. Bird owners and Jerry Signs Incorporated representative 56 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:49,519 have requested approval of a certificate appropus for non-elilluminated 57 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:54,160 projecting and window signage located at 252 West Main Street. Uh this property 58 00:08:52,720 --> 00:09:00,399 is located in our central business district B3. 59 00:08:56,959 --> 00:09:06,519 Um background uh all things custom currently occupies 252 West Main Street, 60 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:06,519 suite 1. 61 00:09:07,760 --> 00:09:14,560 Staff findings. The applicant proposes to install a three foot by three foot 62 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:19,440 non-illuminated double-sided CNC carved HDU projecting sign attached to the 63 00:09:17,279 --> 00:09:24,880 primary north elevation using a painted black steel brackets as shown in the 64 00:09:21,600 --> 00:09:30,000 rendering provided. So here's the primary facade. 65 00:09:26,880 --> 00:09:33,839 Here's what the uh sign would look like and it would be placed approximately 66 00:09:31,839 --> 00:09:37,680 here between the second and first stories. It's similar to other kind of 67 00:09:35,839 --> 00:09:43,360 projecting sign styles that we have in the entrance corridor. Um, 68 00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:48,000 next, the applicant proposes to remove the existing pink vinyl graphics applied 69 00:09:45,440 --> 00:09:51,760 to the primary north elevation uh prefinished black aluminum frame 70 00:09:49,680 --> 00:09:57,760 commercial window and install a 36 square ft teal vinyl graphics with a 1 71 00:09:55,040 --> 00:10:02,160 and 1/2 in thick teal vinyl graphics border as shown in the ren provided. So 72 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:06,959 again, it's the same size, just the border is the new piece, but they're 73 00:10:03,519 --> 00:10:11,200 just looking to remove the pink vinyl that's here, and replace it with a teal 74 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:16,000 one that matches the color scheme of their proposed projecting sign and 75 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:21,279 centering it more on this window here. So, kind of bringing everything a little 76 00:10:17,680 --> 00:10:24,519 bit more into uh cohesion in terms of the design. 77 00:10:24,560 --> 00:10:31,279 And that's all I have for you. So again, here's the primary elevation. The 78 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:36,079 proposed projecting sign will go approximately here 79 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:40,560 in this area. And then the next one is again that window signage, removing the 80 00:10:38,240 --> 00:10:44,880 pink one, putting the same size, and then just centering it and putting a 81 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:46,959 border around it. If you have any questions for me, I can answer them. If 82 00:10:46,399 --> 00:10:52,200 not, >> anybody on the commission have any 83 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:52,200 questions for Gabe? 84 00:10:54,959 --> 00:11:00,560 If >> I was like 85 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:03,440 it's just going to be the letters, right? And the box. 86 00:11:01,839 --> 00:11:06,800 » Yeah. Oh, yeah. Let me Sorry. Let me >> It's not like they're putting a board up 87 00:11:05,519 --> 00:11:11,040 there like it looks like that. >> No. So, imagine the black is the window. 88 00:11:08,959 --> 00:11:14,079 So, it's just the blue and everything. So, this is just a negative. Yeah. Yeah. 89 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:18,160 No, that's the same question I had when I first got the rendering. I said, 90 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:21,279 "You're not putting a full black back uh background on, right?" They go, "No, 91 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:24,560 that's just a negative." So, it'll just be the blue that you see here. 92 00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:29,079 » Okay. Thank you. >> Yep. 93 00:11:25,519 --> 00:11:29,079 » Additional questions. 94 00:11:29,680 --> 00:11:34,600 » What's the pleasure of the commission? Is there a motion? 95 00:11:36,399 --> 00:11:41,760 » Yeah, I'd make a motion we accept the application submitted. 96 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:46,160 » Okay. Is there a second? >> Second. 97 00:11:42,560 --> 00:11:49,040 » All right. Additional discussion? If not, if you would call the role. 98 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:50,720 » Mr. Austin, >> I. 99 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,240 » Mr. Johnson, >> I. 100 00:11:51,279 --> 00:11:53,760 » Mr. Thompson. >> Hi, 101 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,120 » Mr. Mr. Pennington. >> Hi, 102 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,480 » Mr. Sprouls. >> Hi, 103 00:11:55,600 --> 00:11:58,399 » Mr. Wilson. >> Hi. 104 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:02,399 » And Mr. Schuman. >> Hi. 105 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:07,600 » Next order of business is certificate of appropriateness, Jerry Signs, Inc. 106 00:12:04,959 --> 00:12:12,480 applicant, Johnson Center, Inc. owner, certificate of appropriateness for 107 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:18,399 internally illuminated freestanding signage located at 480 East Main Street, 108 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:22,480 Abington, Virginia, 24210. parenthesis parcel014-6-1 109 00:12:20,300 --> 00:12:25,519 [Music] in parenthesis 110 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:31,600 staff report >> Liberty Tax applicant Johnson Center 111 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:35,120 Incorporated owner and Jerry Signs Incorporated representative have 112 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:39,600 requested approval of a certificate of purpose for internally illuminated 113 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:45,959 freestanding signage located at 480 East Main Street. The property is located 114 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:45,959 within a general business district B2. 115 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:54,000 Uh, some background. Parcel014-6-1 is known as the Johnson Center and 116 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:57,760 contains multiple businesses. You've seen many signs in this past couple 117 00:12:56,079 --> 00:13:01,720 weeks come for different businesses that are located on that same parcel. 118 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:11,760 Uh, staff findings. Dapkin proposes to install a uh two install two 6 ft x 5 ft 119 00:13:09,839 --> 00:13:16,160 30 square ft internally illuminated acrylic with applied vinyl graphics 120 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:20,800 panel set within the existing painted blue steel cabinet as shown in the 121 00:13:18,399 --> 00:13:24,800 rendering provided. The existing painted black iron post uh from which the 122 00:13:22,959 --> 00:13:30,320 painted blue steel cabinet is hung will remain unchanged. So again, here's the 123 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:35,760 view of the primary elevation of the building and here's the existing um 124 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:39,040 freestanding sign and cabinet. Uh it has the existing business's uh sign in 125 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:43,040 there, but that will be removed obviously. 126 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:46,240 Again, existing sign on its own. This is what it will look like. So really, it's 127 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:53,079 just switching out the faces. Nothing else is changing. 128 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:53,079 » Questions for Gabe? 129 00:13:55,279 --> 00:13:59,440 That's the only sign that's being presented, right? No other. 130 00:13:57,600 --> 00:14:03,040 » Yes, that's the only one. Yep. Yep. And then they're allowed to have this right 131 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:06,639 here. They don't need a permit. Just they take it in and out as for business 132 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:10,120 hours and everything. So that's the only one that they're changing. 133 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:19,120 What's the pleasure of the commission? Is there a motion? 134 00:14:16,959 --> 00:14:21,440 » I'll make a motion to pro to approve as presented. 135 00:14:19,839 --> 00:14:24,000 » All right. Is there a second? >> I'll second. 136 00:14:22,399 --> 00:14:27,839 » Okay. Any additional discussion? If not, Gabe, 137 00:14:26,399 --> 00:14:29,360 if you would call the role. >> Mr. Austin, 138 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,800 » I. >> Mr. Johnson, 139 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:32,399 » I. >> Mr. Thompson. 140 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,000 » I. >> Mr. Pennington. 141 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:35,360 » Hi. >> Mr. Sprouls. 142 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:36,639 » Hi. >> Mr. Wilson. 143 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,959 » Hi. >> And Mr. Schuman. 144 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:44,240 » Hi. >> Next order of business, certificate of 145 00:14:41,199 --> 00:14:49,519 appropriateness. Freda Deusk, applicant owner, certificate of appropriateness 146 00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:56,760 for exterior changes located at 270 West Main Street, Abington, Virginia 24210. 147 00:14:53,199 --> 00:14:56,760 parenthesis parcel011-8-3 148 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:06,240 in parenthesis staff report debusk owner/applicant has requested 149 00:15:04,480 --> 00:15:11,360 approval of a certificate of purpose for exterior changes to the primary north 150 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:16,000 elevation of the building located at 270 and 272 west main street. Excuse me. 151 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:19,560 It's located in our central business district B3. 152 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:27,279 Uh some background on the site itself. According to Places and Time volume 2, 153 00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:32,399 written by Nancy C. King. Charles Fert, a nephew of WW Hurt, acquired the 154 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:37,120 property in 1906. A dwelling was located on the property upon Charles F. Charles 155 00:15:35,199 --> 00:15:42,639 Furd's acquisition, but was damaged in the 1914 fire and subsequently repaired. 156 00:15:40,399 --> 00:15:46,399 In 1935, the dwelling was removed and the lot was subdivided. Lincoln Theaters 157 00:15:45,040 --> 00:15:51,120 Corporation of Marian, Virginia, acquired three lots in 1939 and built 158 00:15:48,639 --> 00:15:54,720 the Zephr Theater. The Zephr Theater was Evan's first modern movie theater, 159 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:58,800 although moving pictures have been shown for some years at the Opera House, now 160 00:15:56,639 --> 00:16:03,680 known as the Barter Theater, the Dixie Theater, and Sawyer's West End Moving 161 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:07,040 Pictures Theater. In the 1940s, a fire damaged the interior and exterior of the 162 00:16:05,199 --> 00:16:12,639 building, but was repaired and opened to the public. Uh, soon after the Zephr 163 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:17,360 Theater closed, the circa 1963, and the property was purchased by BF Dusk in 164 00:16:14,639 --> 00:16:22,160 1967. The theater building was occupied by Debusk furniture store and now serves 165 00:16:19,519 --> 00:16:25,160 as an antique store and a uh barber shop. 166 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:32,000 Uh staff findings. The applicant proposes to undertake the following 167 00:16:28,959 --> 00:16:36,240 items. So as you see here, this is the existing primary elevation of the 168 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:40,639 building. Remove the existing painted wooden sheathing from the north uh 169 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:44,480 northern elevation. So you can see that the paint is peeling off in various 170 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:47,759 sections and the wood sheathing's seen here. 171 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:54,160 Repair the damaged CMU block wall with a Portland based cement as needed. Uh 172 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:59,839 paint a thicker border around 270 and 272 West Main Street using uh paint 173 00:16:57,279 --> 00:17:05,280 known by Black Bean as shown in the rendering provided. Paint the area 174 00:17:02,320 --> 00:17:08,240 Woodland Stone within the thick border painted black bean as shown in the 175 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:14,160 rendering provided. Here's the rendering that I'm speaking of. 176 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:19,039 uh paint existing uh paint existing painted green U-pel awning roof cladding 177 00:17:17,120 --> 00:17:25,520 uh black again as shown in the render provided. So right here 178 00:17:21,919 --> 00:17:32,000 and then reattach the existing red and white Zephr Antiques wall sign 179 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:35,880 uh within this section right here. 180 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:43,200 Uh the only staff recommendation uh because this will have to be an 181 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:47,360 encroachment to actually get the wood sheathing off and repair the block and 182 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:51,679 everything is that staff is recommending the encroachment period for the ECCOA 183 00:17:49,679 --> 00:17:56,880 request should not extend beyond 3 weeks in total. 184 00:17:54,799 --> 00:18:00,240 So and I think I've been told by the applicant that they might do this in 185 00:17:58,160 --> 00:18:04,160 phases. Phase one will be taking down the sheathing and looking at it, 186 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:08,240 assessing it what needs to be repaired. the encroachment would be taken away and 187 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:12,720 then put back once they're ready to mobilize again and repair and paint. So 188 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:18,960 like week and a half here, week and a half there kind of thing. So again, 189 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:25,120 here's the existing and this is what they like to do uh 190 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:30,240 moving forward. Questions for Gabe? 191 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:34,000 » They're just painting uh the sheathing, right? So, they're going to take off the 192 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,080 sheathing totally and then paint the block. They're going to paint the block. 193 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:41,200 Okay. >> Uh but they need to repair the block 194 00:18:38,559 --> 00:18:46,400 because from historical research, this building when it was a theater used to 195 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:50,240 have uh steel panels on it that would be reflective. And then after the panels 196 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:54,960 got removed, some wood cladding got put on. So, the block probably has some 197 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:58,960 holes in it. Uh and so, uh before they paint it, they want to repair any holes 198 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:03,679 or any damage to the block that occurred, uh from those previous 199 00:19:01,360 --> 00:19:06,919 claddings, and then they would just paint it. 200 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:14,240 » Okay. Additional questions? Um the applicant, you're you're welcome 201 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:19,840 to make a presentation if you want to, but you you're not certainly not 202 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:23,760 required to. Um >> I think you did a great job. 203 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:32,600 I just want just want to make sure you knew that you had the opportunity. 204 00:19:27,919 --> 00:19:32,600 » I appreciate that. I just want to thank 205 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,520 questions or discussion. 206 00:19:44,559 --> 00:19:48,760 Is there is there a motion? 207 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:16,559 I'd make a motion that we approve the change as presented. 208 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:19,360 » Okay. >> Appropriateness. 209 00:20:18,080 --> 00:20:25,120 » Is there a second? >> I'll second. 210 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:28,480 » Okay. Any additional discussion? If not, if you would call the role. 211 00:20:27,360 --> 00:20:30,320 » Mr. Austin. >> I. 212 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:32,240 » Mr. Johnson? >> I. 213 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:34,799 » Mr. Thompson. >> I. 214 00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,960 » Mr. Pennington. >> I. Mr. Sprouls. 215 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,720 » Hi, >> Mr. Wilson. 216 00:20:38,000 --> 00:20:40,960 » Hi. >> Mr. Schuman. 217 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:46,080 » Hi. >> And I think you wanted to have a 218 00:20:43,039 --> 00:20:48,720 discussion with um about the facade improvement with 219 00:20:47,919 --> 00:20:54,960 Isaiah. >> Yep. So, I have Isaiah Thomas here. So, 220 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:59,600 this uh this ECCOA request is will also be part of a facade grant program. So, 221 00:20:57,280 --> 00:21:03,120 just to give a review to the applicant of what's required for that program, but 222 00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:06,720 also gives us the opportunity to hear more about the facade grant program. 223 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:09,679 whoever else would be interested in updating their facade. 224 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:13,840 » Absolutely. So, I think you guys have seen quite a few of these over the 225 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:18,880 years. Um the facade grant program is something we do um to incentivize on our 226 00:21:17,120 --> 00:21:23,039 enterprise zone. That's a state zone that we set. It's we're a main street 227 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:27,200 town. Pretty much all of our business is along Main Street. So, our entire main 228 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:33,440 street corridor along with Common Street is in what we call an enterprise zone 229 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:36,080 and allows you to um get some grant or they're actually reimbursements, but 230 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:42,559 they call them a grant for either capital improvement within that zone or 231 00:21:38,640 --> 00:21:46,240 for um job creation in that zone. In order for us to offer that and get 232 00:21:44,559 --> 00:21:50,159 access to those funds, we have to have some of our own incentives. And one of 233 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:54,159 those is the facade grant. Previously, we've changed it this year. previously 234 00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:59,200 was based upon square footage and they had three brackets which was 2500 um 235 00:21:56,720 --> 00:22:03,440 5,000 and 10,000 and then based upon your square footage you could get up to 236 00:22:01,919 --> 00:22:09,280 those with certain amounts. We've changed it this year and we just have 237 00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:14,559 two $10,000 grants and two $5,000 grants um because that $2,500 really just 238 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:19,919 doesn't go far in today's society. So um the way that it works is it's a 239 00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:24,000 reimbursement. So, they cover the total costs, keep the receipts, and then once 240 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:28,320 the project's completed to the town's liking and everything's been signed off 241 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:31,919 on and all the permits are pulled like they wanted them to, then we'll 242 00:22:29,679 --> 00:22:37,919 reimburse them for the amount. Um, and it's a 50 50/50 matching grant. So, if 243 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:42,159 you apply for the the $10,000 grant, it's $20,000 in total improvement and 244 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:45,520 they're covering 50%. Now, they can obviously pay more than go over that if 245 00:22:44,159 --> 00:22:51,039 they want, but they have to at least match their 50% match with us. Um the 246 00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:55,919 overall goal of this is to increase the street scrape of Abington to you know we 247 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:59,919 kind of target properties. We ask everybody that probably would want to 248 00:22:57,360 --> 00:23:04,799 but there are some in that I go out and try to recruit that are a little bit um 249 00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:07,840 in disrepair. And this one was one that you know I reached out to Mr. us last 250 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:12,799 year and just wasn't on the cards for it last year, but she seems motivated to do 251 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:16,880 it this year. And um not going to throw off on on the building, but it could 252 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:20,720 could use some some rubbing and some massaging. Um I think a piece of that 253 00:23:19,120 --> 00:23:26,000 has actually fallen on the street before some type of building. So um but yeah, 254 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:33,520 the saw grant is uh I think it it does a lot for our streetscape, especially in 255 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:37,679 buildings that um deserve to look uh like having looks. So, this is one of 256 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:41,919 them. We're going to have a couple more probably come before you that, uh, I 257 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:46,320 think will help, especially in this area. Um, the building right next to it, 258 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:50,320 which is the optitians building that they both came before last time, I think 259 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:55,440 10 years ago, was part of a Main Street grant. Um, which was not a town thing. 260 00:23:52,960 --> 00:24:00,960 It was just a affiliate of the town. So, we go again. But, yeah, that's the 261 00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:04,559 facade grant. Pretty clean. And, um, we're happy to do it. And when they 262 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:07,760 submit stuff to you, they have to keep track of all their receipts. Correct. 263 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:12,720 » Yep. So the the biggest thing on the facade grants are is we want compliance. 264 00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:17,520 So we're not trying to sidestep anything we would require otherwise. So um all 265 00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:21,679 building permits that might be required. Any COAs um that would be required that 266 00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:28,400 have to go for. All our signage has to be approved. Um one thing we did change 267 00:24:25,039 --> 00:24:32,559 recently is we used to uh continue to charge for the permits they may need to 268 00:24:30,159 --> 00:24:36,159 get. we kind of started doing the pro if you're part of a facade grant then you 269 00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:38,320 wave the permit fees and that's just because it doesn't make sense for us to 270 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:42,880 give them money then take it right back in the permit fees we want as much as it 271 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:48,159 to go to the improvement of the property um so we do wave the fees if you apply 272 00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:53,840 for it um yeah that you know be in compliance with all other rules and 273 00:24:50,080 --> 00:24:58,799 regulations the town has but we like it and oh I forgot to talk what 274 00:24:56,480 --> 00:25:03,039 qualifies so any uh exterior improvements qualify signage can also 275 00:25:01,679 --> 00:25:05,679 qualify. They can get their facade grant for signage. That's actually why we 276 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:10,240 bumped it up and got rid of that square footage requirement because most um 277 00:25:08,159 --> 00:25:15,600 tenant spaces in town are 1,500 square feet and less. So, it was like $2,500 278 00:25:12,559 --> 00:25:18,960 max, 5,000 total. And signage today is what pretty much what signage goes for. 279 00:25:17,279 --> 00:25:22,960 It would max out the budget. We were just getting signs and signs don't they 280 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:27,039 look better when they're fixed, but the overall facade of the building is what 281 00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:31,520 we were trying to aim it towards. So, exterior of the building, facades, um, 282 00:25:29,120 --> 00:25:35,120 anything that has to do with landscaping or streetscape. The only thing it won't 283 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:39,039 really qualify for is we we're not going to improve parking lots and we won't 284 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:42,960 improve mechanical equipment. Um, just not what it's intended for. 285 00:25:41,360 --> 00:25:45,679 » Yeah. You have any questions? I'd be happy to answer. 286 00:25:43,679 --> 00:25:47,919 » Now, this is through the opasses of the economic development authority. Is that 287 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:52,000 correct? >> Yeah. Well, um, so the economic dem 288 00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:56,159 partners the town. So, this comes out of the town's budget. It's budgeted every 289 00:25:53,600 --> 00:26:01,039 year um in the general fund and goes to the economic development department. The 290 00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:03,760 EDA has covered some facade grants. So, in years past, there's been a couple 291 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:07,600 years where we've had more applicants than there was enough in the funds to do 292 00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:11,679 so, and we've partnered with EDA to cover a couple of those. And then there 293 00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:15,840 have been some applicants that aren't in that enterprise zone. They're outside of 294 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:19,279 it, but still, you know, in the relative scheme of things in town, you're you're 295 00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:22,000 pretty much still on Main Street. and the EDA has been able to cover those 296 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:25,000 even though it didn't qualify for our footprint. 297 00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,720 » And again, just to >> questions 298 00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:32,880 » clarify just because I think there were some questions last time one came you 299 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,520 the plan commission is the first step they would go through to make sure that 300 00:26:34,159 --> 00:26:39,279 that project that they're applying to Isaiah for is approved uh because like 301 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:43,600 Isaiah mentioned they have to be in compliance with or signage if they need 302 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:47,919 a COA all that building all that kind of stuff. So, just to kind of clarify that 303 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:52,880 because I remember maybe two meetings ago there was some question about that. 304 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:57,279 But yeah, >> any any questions for Isaiah? 305 00:26:56,799 --> 00:27:00,760 » Thank you. >> Thank you guys. Thanks. 306 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:09,440 » All right. Uh, next order of business is old business matters not on the agenda. 307 00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:14,000 Excuse me. Discussion concerning planning commission member comprehensive 308 00:27:11,279 --> 00:27:18,960 plan chapter selection. So 309 00:27:16,559 --> 00:27:26,080 you guys have had some time to kind of go through what chapters or chapter that 310 00:27:22,159 --> 00:27:30,240 you would like to kind of spearhead. Um we can either kind of go down the line 311 00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:34,159 or whoever wants to kind of go first and say you know what you would be 312 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:41,360 interested in spearheading. Uh the next step would probably be um once we've 313 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:46,880 got, you know, at max two two board two commission members to a chapter would be 314 00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:51,840 to uh schedule a time when that board or whoever's kind of involved with that 315 00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:55,679 kind of section of that chapter. Uh to have you guys go to one of their 316 00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:58,880 meetings just as an introductory kind of start just to be like, hey, we're here 317 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:02,640 just to listen to what you guys have heard, what's needed, what could we 318 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:05,520 improve upon in the comp plan. it's better to probably start with the intro 319 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:08,880 meeting than you guys just showing up to one of their meets and going, "Hey, 320 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:12,000 we're here now, but you know, this is what we're going to do." So, just a way 321 00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:16,159 to form that bridge, form that partnership that we I've seen in the 322 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:20,480 comp plan. Some chapter some chapters are welldeveloped, some are a little 323 00:28:17,919 --> 00:28:24,480 less. So it's again that might maybe just been how things were coordinated 324 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:28,559 before but our overall goal is to have an updated comprehensive plan where 325 00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:32,640 every chapter's uh up to the standard that Abidan deserves and so that we make 326 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:36,640 sure that we plan for the next five years adequately in all aspects. 327 00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:42,640 So >> now do you have a list of volunteers for 328 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:46,559 the different sections? I mean could because I think can you share that with 329 00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:49,440 us or should we should you share it before the next meeting or how do you 330 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:52,159 want to do that? >> So I was just going to go I've got a 331 00:28:51,039 --> 00:28:56,000 list here and I'm going to share the list once we've assigned them tonight 332 00:28:53,760 --> 00:29:01,679 and everything. Uh but I know Kenny you brought up introduction before. Um Mr. 333 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,000 Wilson I know you gave me two last week. I can't remember what they were but I 334 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:08,600 think one >> utilities and economic development. 335 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:20,200 Mr. Thompson, you also I think said, did you say tourism was one? 336 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:20,200 » Economic development and tourism. Yeah. 337 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:32,480 » I'm I'm pretty flexible. So, if you've got a chapter that nobody volunteered 338 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:37,200 for, I I'm happy to be assigned that. >> Okay. I'll get I'll put you down for 339 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:41,919 introduction first and we'll see what else people want to do. 340 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:44,640 Uh yes, Mr. Pennington, did you have any in mind that you 341 00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:51,360 » No, I I'll be completely flexible in terms of being able to fill in or 342 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:55,679 again nothing that one way or the other. I don't 343 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:58,960 happy to be whatever is needed. >> Okay. Mr. Scholes, you have anything 344 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:02,080 » kind of the same sentiment. You can kind of plug me in where 345 00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:06,559 » where as needed. >> Okay. 346 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:11,520 » Go over those again. Uh, so we've got introduction, people, neighborhoods, and 347 00:30:09,039 --> 00:30:14,960 land use, transportation, economic development has two people so 348 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:21,039 far, so we're kind of at our max with that. Parks, recreation, and open space. 349 00:30:17,919 --> 00:30:26,399 Um, given your experience on the HBO B, there's arts, culture, and history. 350 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:30,159 Uh, tourism, environmental, and quality of life, 351 00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:34,559 public util, public utilities, facilities, and services. And then 352 00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:39,279 depending on if we get more money or something, we're we're thinking about 353 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:44,559 maybe or kind of kicking around the idea of like a downtown specific area, 354 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:47,520 like a downtown specific chapter that we would develop. So 355 00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:50,799 » to be honest with you, wherever you want to plug me. 356 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:55,279 » Okay. Mr. Austin, do you have preference? 357 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,120 » I have no pre Well, I did write down parks. 358 00:30:56,320 --> 00:31:01,840 » Parks. Okay. >> Excuse me. Parks. 359 00:31:00,159 --> 00:31:04,960 on that. Uh >> you you said there's two. Is there 360 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:08,159 enough? Like how many do we need to be on? Do we need to be on two? Do we need 361 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:11,760 to be on three? What do how many >> you can be on? How many you want? 362 00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:14,960 » Because if you've got two to I mean how many how many do you have in that list? 363 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:20,080 And how many? >> So I've got one, two, 364 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:24,799 got 10. >> And so the max we can have because then 365 00:31:22,399 --> 00:31:28,399 we have to publicize it is two is two commission members. If it's three, then 366 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:32,240 we have to publicize and we don't want to have to do that. 367 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:36,720 um or have that always be like a thing where you're going to a meeting for EDA 368 00:31:34,320 --> 00:31:41,840 or the HBRV or whatever. You going to have to post it every time. Um 369 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,960 Mr. Johnson, is it okay if I put you on the history arts and culture since 370 00:31:43,279 --> 00:31:46,480 you've been on the HBRV before? So, you kind of have a lay of the land with 371 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,080 that. >> I'm I'm very cultural. 372 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:51,080 » Okay. 373 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:54,440 Let's 374 00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:00,760 see here. >> Lisa would crack up. 375 00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:08,840 » Transportation. Uh, >> that's fine. Absolutely. Yeah. 376 00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:20,799 » Mr. Sprouls, do you want to do environmental quality of life? And 377 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:24,320 again, you just be going to these meetings more to the point of you going 378 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:30,399 going to these meetings more just to listen and hear what those staff or that 379 00:32:28,159 --> 00:32:33,840 specific board has seen what they what we need and possibly and then relaying 380 00:32:32,399 --> 00:32:37,919 it back here and kind of being that bridge to the planning commission. So if 381 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,600 you're >> and and each of these have regular 382 00:32:39,919 --> 00:32:44,720 schedule I mean we're talking >> Yeah. Yeah. 383 00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:48,000 » Like Yeah. So the EDA is on a regular schedule and so we wouldn't have you go 384 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:51,200 to every meeting in a sense, but it'd be like when we think it's appropriate, we 385 00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:55,440 would do kind of that schedule, that first initial introduction. Then once we 386 00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:59,519 really get going into the updating, I would be in contact with you or our firm 387 00:32:57,519 --> 00:33:02,720 that we hire and they would make sure that everything's coordinated. So you 388 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:07,039 guys would know well in advance, hey, there's a meeting this day if you could 389 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:12,240 attend just to be kind of that bridge in here. And then every planning commission 390 00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:16,240 uh we would kind of go over like what's been talked about at that meeting. So 391 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:21,840 one month you know Mr. Thompson might have something to say about uh tourism 392 00:33:18,799 --> 00:33:25,120 and then maybe the next month uh Mr. Wilson might have something to say about 393 00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:28,480 u the public utilities and facilities. So it won't be like every month 394 00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:32,159 everybody's saying something might be a little bit different. So would you like 395 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:38,559 me to put you down for environmental and quality of life or is there another one 396 00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:38,559 that you maybe are thinking more about? 397 00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:53,440 probably do the parks and recre >> Okay, so I've got Austin 398 00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:57,480 and SP for parks and wreck. 399 00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:04,559 I still need one for people, neighborhoods, and land use. 400 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:07,360 » I don't mind doing that along with the introduction. 401 00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:17,639 Okay. 402 00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:25,919 And then I just need one for environmental and quality of life. 403 00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:31,280 That's the last one. Wilson's already done two. Schuman's 404 00:34:28,639 --> 00:34:35,440 already done two. So, is there anybody else that's really 405 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,440 » I'll do I mean that's fine. 406 00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:49,280 Okay. And then if we have if we end up getting 407 00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:52,960 more money for a downtown specific version, I can reach out and then 408 00:34:50,639 --> 00:35:00,240 whoever's maybe interested in doing that part can help on that one. So, uh, 409 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:04,000 for the remaining ones, just to have a backup to, I'll assign Mr. and I'll sign 410 00:35:02,720 --> 00:35:06,480 you another one if that's okay. >> Yes, sir. 411 00:35:04,720 --> 00:35:09,680 » Do you have a preference on like what kind of realm of 412 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,000 » I had a complete list but the dog ate it before I got 413 00:35:11,119 --> 00:35:14,720 » the dog at your >> No, sir. It doesn't matter. Whatever's 414 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:19,359 convenient. >> Okay. Uh Mr. Thompson, I think you've 415 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:22,640 given me two. So, you're set. >> Uh Mr. Johnson, I'll look for one more 416 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:27,320 unless >> land use. 417 00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:27,320 » Land land use. Okay. 418 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:40,160 Okay. And then Mr. Scroll, same thing. I'll look for 419 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:45,079 » uh Yeah. Uh let me see. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Chad's on that one. So I can put 420 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,079 you on that one. 421 00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:58,760 » Mr. Austin, how would you feel about um public utilities facilities and 422 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,760 services? How would you feel? 423 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:14,560 I >> think we're all set for right now. 424 00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:16,880 » You You want to when we do the agenda for the next meeting, you want to share 425 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,320 all that? So, >> yes. Yeah. I'll also be sending out an 426 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:23,359 email just like with the list and just saying who's with what. So, this way 427 00:36:22,079 --> 00:36:26,400 you've got a reference as well. >> Yeah, that'd be great. 428 00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:31,359 » Yep. So, I'll send an email out uh tomorrow and we'll just have this list 429 00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:36,160 and who's assigned to what and then um our next step is to well for me to draft 430 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:39,839 the RFP to get our firm. Again, we're not looking to do a full rewrite because 431 00:36:38,240 --> 00:36:45,599 we have a good base. It's just more of an update because times change, projects 432 00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:50,560 change, our focus changes and then um drafting the RFP, get a firm to update 433 00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:55,359 it and run the public meetings and everything. And then uh but your guys's 434 00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:58,079 next step would be which I would which I will coordinate will be with just 435 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:01,440 meeting with those boards or the staff and just as a more of an introductory 436 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:05,440 piece just to say hey we're going to be in some meetings with you. Uh we're just 437 00:37:03,839 --> 00:37:10,400 really here to listen and be a bridge to the plan commission as we go ahead and 438 00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:14,480 update our our chapters because this way each chapter is up to the standard that 439 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:18,640 it should be and that uh we're ready for the next five years. 440 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:23,520 So, uh, that's all I've got, uh, for you. 441 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:28,320 Aside from there is one COA waiver. Um, they've already gotten building permits. 442 00:37:25,119 --> 00:37:32,560 It's for a, uh, a building that had a cargo through it. Um, 443 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:35,760 » that's a disgruntled client with Philip Pearl. 444 00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:39,520 » Yep. >> So, that's that's the reason why the 445 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:43,599 plywood's up and everything. So, they're working on it. Uh, they've pulled 446 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:49,359 » Was that just one car hit that? >> Yeah. 447 00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:53,520 man actually took it. Hit it hard. >> Yeah. So, but other than that, it was 448 00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:56,720 just that one waiver and then picking out these chapters. And so, uh that's 449 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,680 all I have for you. If you have any questions for me, more than happy to 450 00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:04,640 answer. If not. >> Questions for Gabe? 451 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:06,960 If not, is there a motion to adjurnn? >> So, moved. 452 00:38:05,359 --> 00:38:10,320 » Is there a second? >> Second. 453 00:38:07,599 --> 00:38:15,079 » All those in favor signify by saying I. I. 454 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:15,079 » Any opposed? We're adjourned.