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Evening and thank you for coming out on

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a really miserable evening. My name is Dean

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Charter I'm vice chair of the select board

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and I'm chairman of the public works building

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committee. This will actually be a this is

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a posted meeting of the public works building

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committee. We have a quorum of our members

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here present at the table. I'll have them

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introduce themselves in a moment. And we'll do

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the presentation, question and answers. And then certainly

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everybody's welcome to stay around as long as

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you want with lots of questions we hope

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there are and at the end of that

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we'll just be having a brief committee meeting

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just to set up future agendas and to

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accept some minutes from our last meeting which

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was way back in March. So let me

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just do a brief self introduction as you

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know who I am and other committee members.

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We will start with Tom if you just

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want to introduce yourself. Hi everybody I'm Tom

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Beach and I'm the assistant town manager. Mike

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Harris public member. Adam Noldy a member of

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the Finance Committee and Land Stewardship Committee for

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the town of Acton. Corey York the DPW

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Director. Okay thank you. Let me before I

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introduce the town manager, let me just give

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you a little brief background of my own

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interest in this project which might clarify my

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passion for getting this thing done. I spent

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time in the present building from 1972 until

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2015. Neither all or part of my day

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was spent in that building, and I pretty

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much know every inch of it inside and

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out. There were a couple of issues which

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we'll be discussing in more detail but I'll

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give you my own personal experiences that I've

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had with it in the years that I

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was there. Air quality issues were terrible in

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the building. Constant infiltration of diesel fumes and

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everything else coming from the work areas and

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into the office areas. And frankly, the ventilation

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for the folks in the workshop was awful

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as well. One amusing thing happened years ago

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was that the highway department pick up the

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occasional roadkill, and they throw in the back

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of the dump truck and bring it back,

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and eventually it would be disposed of. Well,

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one time they picked up a dead skunk

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and parked it outside the building and went

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in for lunch. Of course, that was right

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by the air intake for the entire office

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area. So they cleaned the office area out

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pretty well. So air quality is was a

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constant problem. There's been discussion about the wisdom

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behind keeping equipment inside as opposed to outside

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and we'll get into that in more detail

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but I'll give you one example of why

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it's worthwhile keeping in equipment in a secure

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climate resistant enclosure. In my watch in 1990

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we purchased a brush band at 100 brush

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chipper. Expected life on those in normal operations

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about fifteen years. It was finally sold two

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years ago traded in still in operating condition

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thirty years of service. That's how much longer

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a piece of equipment will last if it's

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properly properly maintained and properly secured from the

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elements. I don't know we still have them

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down there but for a number of years

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we had a bunch of nineteen eighty seven

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Mac dump trucks which are still operation. So

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that's one of the rationales that I have

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for wanting to keep equipment properly safe and

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secure. Employee recruitment and retention. In my career,

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we had a number of opportunities to hire

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female groundskeepers and tree climbers. And we were

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able to get some very good ones. But

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frankly, it's really tough, hiring female workforce which

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is an increasing portion of the workforce in

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the green industry if there are absolutely no

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facilities whatsoever for women and no room for

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them. No lockers no showers. So that's a

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tough situation. And finally there's been discussion about

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does engineering really need to be in that

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building? You know can't you just rent some

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space somewhere else and have them work remotely?

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Engineering was in that building from 1969 when

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it opened until 1987 when we moved them

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up here when we renovated Town Hall. I

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worked alongside them for those years. They stayed

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either in Town Hall or over the Red

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House for a number of years and a

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couple of years back 2020 they moved back

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down to to public works and the increase

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in efficiency and command and control was breathtaking.

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The difference, having the opportunity for an interface

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between engineering and the folks that are actually

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doing the work really increased the efficiency. When

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you look at the very modest amount of

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space we're talking about from the engineering department,

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I think it's will pay many benefits. So

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those are just a couple of my war

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stories. I've got plenty of them if you've

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lots of time. I will kick it over

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to the town manager. Thank you, Dean. I'm

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John Mangioradi. I'm the town manager. I've I've

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worked here for six years, more than six

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years, actually, and, this is a subject that

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was discussed early on, when I arrived here.

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Thank you to Dean's leadership of this effort.

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Thank you to members of the billing committee.

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It's it's been a lot of work to

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get to where we are now. I'm also

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gonna introduce members of the project team. I

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wanna thank members of the audience that are

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here. There's about, 20 maybe people here. There's

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eight or nine people watching from home, and

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hopefully, people will also watch this, later when

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it's recorded. Just a programming note, if you

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are at home, there'll be a point later

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in the session where you can raise your

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hand, and we'll we'll connect with you, to

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ask a question or or or have a

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comment, but not not till, the presentation is

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concluded. So in addition to the, project, committee

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that already introduced themselves, we have some staff

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members that are involved with it. We also

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have a the architecture and design team is

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Weston Sampson, who you'll hear from in a

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little bit. PMA consultants is our project manager.

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They every every public construction project needs to

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have three parties. The owner, which is the

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town, the designer, which is Weston and Sampson,

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and then the owner's project manager, which is

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PMA. And their job is to help us

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work with the architect to make sure that

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the project is done efficiently and cost effectively

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and appropriately. So we have a really good

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team and we have a presentation to talk

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about what we've done so far. I wanted

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to also mention that this website has been

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created actinma.gov/dpwfacility all one word. And so that

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information about the project including this presentation will

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be published there in addition to the materials

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that are already on that web page. So

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Sampson, think actually Dean, we had you programmed

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to take on the next slide, which gives

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us some more background, which I think many

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of you have been following along this project.

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night hearing about it. And so before we

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dive into the details of design, we wanted

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to take a few minutes and just talk

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about how we got to this point. So

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thank you. Thank you. So you I've explained

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to you my interest in the building and,

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you know, why I've been pushing toward towards

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getting this done. And I think it's important

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to understand that this is a group effort.

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It's something that's been embraced by the select

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board. The, going back as far as 2020,

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we've always had something to do with this

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Public Works Building on our short term and

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long term goal list. And, those are published.

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They're a guidance document not only for the

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select board but also for town staff to

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know what we're moving towards. So starting very

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early just with a feasibility study then the

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getting moving ahead on the design of new

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public works silly prioritizing existing fuel station in

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twenty twenty two twenty three construction department public

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works building and then most recently bring the

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DPW facility project to town meeting in May

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of twenty twenty five and that's what we're

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moving ahead with now. The next slide. Yep.

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in an attempt to secure those goals. We

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did have a feasibility study, that is all

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available online. We had a facilities feasibility study

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committee that reviewed that study and they made

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their presentation back in October of twenty two

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basically embracing the conclusions of the feasibility study.

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we did have subsequent to the feasibility study

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committee going through and making their recommendation we

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did go back to town meeting in May

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of twenty three and '1 point '2 '2

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million dollars was allocated for the design of

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the building. Subsequent to that we formed a

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new committee that you see here which had

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many of the same members but slightly different

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focus. We did secure funding to build a

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new public works fuel depot on the site.

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the middle of the site and would create

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some problems building the new facility, plus which

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the tanks that were in the ground are

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close to the end of the service life.

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replaced anyway. So first step is get that

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piece of infrastructure out of the way and

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then in July we did embrace this as

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a short term goal to bring this to

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town meeting and at this point I will

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back off and let the experts talk. Thank

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you. Thank you Mr. Charter. Thank you members

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of the building committee and the town administration

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DPW and the public. This is the agenda

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for what we're going to present tonight. We're

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going to delve a little bit further into

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why a new facility is required or needed

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for the town. Some of the project challenges

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that we'll face. What are these benefits and

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opportunities that a new facility will allow? Where

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we are in terms of what we've completed

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to date, and that is from the July

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when we started the schematic design process through

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tonight. What's left to do in schematic design?

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project? Next slide please. So why a new

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facility? Hopefully everyone's had a chance take a

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look or visit the facility. I know Corey

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has offered tours, I'm sure that he would

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be happy to walk people through to take

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a look at the facility as it is

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today. Next slide please. The DPW is the

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backbone of the community. They are first responders.

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They are out on the roadways before other

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first responders can get out on the roadways.

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the fire trucks, the police department, ambulances can

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all assist the town. The departments are in

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the DPWR, the administration and engineering, and these

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are departments that will be housed at the

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new facility. The highway department, trees and grounds,

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fleet maintenance, they repair all the town trucks.

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The facility would also support other department operations

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such as cemeteries, recreations, operations, conservation and emergency

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response. A larger facility could also assist with

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some town functions such as they do now

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with hazardous waste drop off day. Hopefully we

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don't have to have a pop up health

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clinic like we did during COVID again, but

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a new facility would assist with that as

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well. Next slide, please. This slide showing how

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to dissuade day twenty twenty four. Next slide,

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please. Again, first responders, some of the functions

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that are provided by the DPW snow and

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ice removal, hurricane, windstorm cleanup, removal of road

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hazards, road repairs, support of other emergency departments.

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a blizzard on Christmas Eve, they're out there

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twenty four hours taking care of the roads.

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facility was, you know, this facility has been

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on the site since 1970. Know, fifty years

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ago, or over fifty years ago, another group

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was sitting here talking about that facility, the

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size it needed to be. Ultimately, was constructed

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at 19,000 square feet, although the original recommendation

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was 36,000 square feet. Total cost $10.62 a

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square foot. Kind of wish we could get

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that today. Next slide, please. Why do we

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need a new facility again? The town, even

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during the 60s, by the time that 1970

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facility had opened, the town population had exploded.

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Number of roadways, miles had increased. It's increased,

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the population has increased 10,000 since then. The

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size of the trucks has increased. If you

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look at a truck from 1970, you look

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at a truck 2024, they're vastly larger today.

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They have a larger plow attachment. The building

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is too small. The number of, and types

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of equipment has increased as well. So, you

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know, the small facility has negative impacts in

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terms of response time, employee safety and training,

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health and safety of the employees, vehicle and

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equipment, longevity, and increased maintenance requirements. Requirements. Next

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slide please. The Dean mentioned indoor air quality.

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There weren't a lot of codes back then

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that dealt with stuff that we deal with

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today. Concerns about health, employee health, indoor air

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quality is a huge factor. Know, today in

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this facility, they open the doors, turn on

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a fan. There's no gas detection there's no

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automatic ventilation to evacuate poisonous gas from the

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space there is no HVAC system that keeps

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and segregates fumes into one area and doesn't

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allow them to migrate into office areas impacting

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employee health. It's uninsulated, it's difficult to heat,

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it's inefficient, structurally it's deficient, it is failing.

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Next slide please. A of, so you know,

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a lot of people will say, well, why

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don't we rehab this building? Why don't we

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try to work with it? It must be

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cheaper to renovate this building rather than build

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something new. Not necessarily. A public works facility

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is considered by the building code to be

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a category four structure, meaning it needs to

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withstand the heaviest and most severe lateral forces.

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It can't fall down during an earthquake or

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heavy winds or hurricane. It has to stand

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because of its vital importance to serve the

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community as a, you know, for their role

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as a first responder, similar to a police

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department, similar to a fire department. In order

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to get this building to perform in that

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level category four, the structural improvements that would

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be required would be cost prohibitive. And at

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the end of the day, the volume of

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the building is too small, it's still uninsulated,

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it would still, it would be a costly

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renovation that would end up with a building

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that is inadequate for the money. Next slide,

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please. Here are some examples of the structural

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deficiencies. This is unreinforced concrete masonry block, meaning

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that there's no rebar running vertically through the

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cells of the block, tying it to the

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roof structure, tying it to the foundation. So

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when there's settling, when there's lateral movement, building

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can fall down. Next slide please. Interior conditions

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are substandard for the employees. There's inadequate space

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for training. Top left photo is of their

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meeting room, muster room, kitchen, conference room. Serves

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all those purposes, but it's undersized for the

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number of staff that they have. So they

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can't train everyone in that room or even

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half of their staff in that room. They

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need to do training in the garage area.

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It was mentioned there aren't any facilities or

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locker rooms for women. This is a picture

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of the men's locker room. One shower in

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the entire building and it's pretty gross and

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not used any longer. And this is not

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a reflection on the efforts of the DPW

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staff to upkeep the building. They have worked

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incredibly hard to maintain what they have. It's

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just getting more and more difficult to keep

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up with it. The carpentry shop again, there's

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dust, there's noise directly adjacent to admin staff.

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And we have recycle bins in the lobby

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of the admin office because there's really no

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other place for them. Next slide please. This

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is some pictures of mezzanine storage. Storage is

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at a premium. These mezzanines were built at

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some point in time. They certainly don't meet

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OSHA safety requirements. It's not clear what they're

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of they're rated for in terms of loading

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and there's little headroom because they weren't, you

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know, it's not a true two story space.

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So you have electrical wiring, lighting and sprinkler

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piping running at eyesight level on the mezzanine

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which is dangerous. The stairs are open treads,

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open risers and they don't meet current code.

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Next slide please. This is an, you know,

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again, spaces at a premium. You find room

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where you can. Clearances are impacted. Ability to

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circulate through the space is impacted, which is

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dangerous. There's tripping hazards. There's no room for

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workshop space, which is kind of jammed against

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walls, but then directly adjacent to the vehicle

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maintenance areas. It's very chaotic and they do

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make do. Space isn't tall enough to fully

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lift a large vehicle. A large vehicle can

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be 13 feet from the floor to the

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dump, top of the dump, and you really

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need about 20 clear feet of space without

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interference to get that vehicle up five, six

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feet in the air, and they can't do

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that. Next slide please. Storage outdoors is accommodated

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in temporary shipping containers in a kind of

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makeshift storage canopy area, which is starting to

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rip and will need to be replaced shortly.

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But that's where a lot of the lawn

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equipment is stored right now. And then other

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storage is kind of scattered on the periphery

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of the site where space can be found.

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Next slide please. This is the interior storage

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garage. Dean mentioned the longevity of some of

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these pieces of equipment. The reason that they've

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lasted this long is because the DPW staff

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makes a monumental effort to get these vehicles,

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these very expensive town assets, indoors and out

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of the elements. They can't get everything inside.

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This is only 9,000 square feet. So there

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is kind of like a game of Jenga

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that takes place every day to stack the

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equipment, make sure that the equipment that's prioritized

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for work the next day is in the

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right spot to get out. But if there's

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a need to get a piece of equipment

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that's buried, you may have to move seven

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or eight vehicles to get that to that

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piece of equipment to get it out, into

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the yard. The plows that you see on

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the top right corner, they they can't be,

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typically, the best thing to do is, especially

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during winter snow fighting operations, is to keep

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the plow on your truck, bring it into

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a a semi heated space, and you're ready

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to go. At the end of a storm

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event, to get the vehicles back inside, they

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have to drop the plows outside. So keeping

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that outside, they rust, the hydraulics become sluggish,

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the hydraulic hoses become cracked, there's increased maintenance,

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increased replacement cycle and cost. Next slide please.

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Project challenges. Yes, I want to introduce Stella

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Donahue, who's a sustainability specialist with Weston and

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Sampson, and she'll continue the presentation. Hello, So

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this project involves a handful of challenges. You

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saw the existing conditions, I'll go over a

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few main challenges for this project. Next slide,

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please. So this, the approach for the design

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is phased so we can maintain the DPW

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operations during construction. So if you can imagine

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building a new facility while trucks are maneuvering

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the existing site, it's quite a challenge. So

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there's the existing DPW building, there's the salt

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shed, various outbuildings, and then all that truck

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circulation from the DPW, but also the transfer

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station at the south of the site. So,

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also some large roll off trucks dropping off

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the the waste coming up that drive, backing

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into the ramp to dump the waste. So

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all the while, building a new facility in

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a phased approach while avoiding having to find

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a site where temporary facilities can get can

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maintain the operations during during construction. This allows

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both to to go simultaneously. So, we've identified

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this sort of purple hatch at the top.

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That's where phase one can begin while the

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DPW can remain operable during the process. Next

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slide. Another aspect of challenges relates to the

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energy goals. This town is beautiful and forward

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thinking, so it is a stretch energy code

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town. And and moreover, it's a higher tier

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called the opt in specialized energy code, so

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it's a stricter set of energy code requirements.

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They also adopted a bylaw where any new

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municipal building needs to be fossil fuel free.

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And this project also anticipates the future fleet

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electrification. So taking into consider into consideration space

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needs and the infrastructure required to build that

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in now so that down the road when

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fleet turns over to electric, it can be

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a more seamless process instead of having to

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totally retrofit that space at that time. So

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trying to be flexible and forward thinking. Next

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slide. Another challenge, if you can imagine a

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conductor for a symphony, we have a bunch

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of underground systems that need to be coordinated.

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So your stormwater drainage, managing the stormwater as

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well as septic on-site, your electric utilities, and

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this project is also pursuing geothermal wells. I

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think upwards about 40 wells that have to

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be 30 feet spaced out in diameter. So

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there's a whole bunch of different systems being

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coordinated under underground to make sure everything runs

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smoothly. Next slide. So a handful of challenges,

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but that also means there's a whole bunch

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of opportunity and benefits that can come with

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the modern new facility. Next slide. Primarily, a

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new facility would allow for a great improvement

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to operations in terms of efficiencies, safety, health,

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occupant health, user comfort. So with the indoor

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storage, we discussed that can increase the lifespan,

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greatly reduce the maintenance needs versus being stored

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outdoors in in New England's weather. Also, the

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introduction of a wash bay which I'll get

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into that can help to maintain the equipment

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to wash off any salt corrosive conditions and

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also prolong the lifespan of of these very

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expensive trucks. A new facility would comply with

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codes and regulations like the bylaw I mentioned

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and building energy codes and OSHA. There could

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also be a handful of, spaces in the

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new building that other agencies in town can

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use. So meeting space for, board committee meetings

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like this. John touched on it, but and

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Dean that this could greatly increase the employee

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morale, training opportunities, and and pride for, working

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for the town with the DPW. And then

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just the simple fact that a new facility

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could meet the demands of today, but also

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for the next fifty to seventy five years.

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Next slide. These are a handful of photos

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of some example projects that show a more

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modern today's standard facility. Top top left image

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there is the training room. So that type

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of space could be used during storms for

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storm operations center. There's there's some consideration for

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renewable energy that we're exploring, like the geothermal,

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and this facility also will have roof solar.

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And then the bottom left image, that's an

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example of indoor fleet storage garage. And running

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along the right side is mezzanine space. So

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ample storage, which could be used by other

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departments in town as well. I believe the

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DPW currently stores some overflow material for other

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departments like cemetery and conservation. So, those mezzanine

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spaces are are, very beneficial for DPW and

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the town as a whole. Next slide. Here

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are a few other images of a a

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modern facility. That center photo on the top,

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the wash bay. Like I said, this can

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help to wash off, corrosive salt buildup and,

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again, prolong the life of these trucks, but

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it's also a really great benefit for the

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environment. The runoff gets filtered down and held

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into a sump and disposed of properly versus

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it running off into the environment, the landscape

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around the site, which is maybe what's happening

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00:30:33,045 --> 00:30:38,325
now. And then the bottom right image that's

515
00:30:38,645 --> 00:30:41,125
fluid containment. So if there's any spill, it's

516
00:30:41,125 --> 00:30:45,360
contained with some curbing. Also minimizing the risk

517
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:52,080
for contamination and spills. Next slide, please. And

518
00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,919
here's an example at site scale. It's worth

519
00:30:55,919 --> 00:30:59,039
noting this is not a flashy building. It's

520
00:30:59,175 --> 00:31:02,215
it's designed and built for its use. It's

521
00:31:02,615 --> 00:31:07,415
it's rooted in functionality, so it's there's no

522
00:31:07,575 --> 00:31:11,815
really frills beyond what it's serving, its purpose.

523
00:31:11,815 --> 00:31:14,590
It has high volume spaces for the maintenance

524
00:31:14,590 --> 00:31:17,150
to allow those large trucks to be lifted

525
00:31:17,150 --> 00:31:22,750
and maintained with ease and efficiency. There's site

526
00:31:22,750 --> 00:31:28,585
security and separate visitor and staff circulation. So

527
00:31:28,585 --> 00:31:34,664
there's a safety and site circulation and improvements

528
00:31:34,664 --> 00:31:36,424
as a whole to the site, to the

529
00:31:36,424 --> 00:31:43,010
environment, stormwater management, and really just allowing for

530
00:31:43,010 --> 00:31:49,810
a more smooth operational process. Next slide. And

531
00:31:49,810 --> 00:31:53,975
another area of opportunity is for Acton DPW

532
00:31:53,975 --> 00:31:56,695
to lead by example and really steward this

533
00:31:56,695 --> 00:32:01,255
sustainable thinking, complying with the bylaw for one,

534
00:32:01,575 --> 00:32:05,655
and improving stormwater, which correlates to the water

535
00:32:05,655 --> 00:32:11,680
quality in town. There's also an opportunity to

536
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,360
work with Mass Saves rebate program. So by

537
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:20,560
pursuing these geothermal wells and, really maximizing on

538
00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:26,914
energy efficiency, there's upwards of $2,300,000 in incentives

539
00:32:26,914 --> 00:32:29,235
by running through this program, and that's just

540
00:32:29,235 --> 00:32:32,195
for geothermal wells. There's there's other opportunities beyond

541
00:32:32,195 --> 00:32:36,195
that. So there's some cost benefits in terms

542
00:32:36,195 --> 00:32:40,619
of sustainability, and a facility like this can

543
00:32:40,700 --> 00:32:43,980
can also lend to community resilience as a

544
00:32:43,980 --> 00:32:49,659
whole. Next slide, please. This next section, I'll

545
00:32:49,659 --> 00:32:52,779
give an update on, the work completed to

546
00:32:52,935 --> 00:32:56,535
till today, really. So starting in mid July,

547
00:32:56,535 --> 00:33:00,935
we conducted a review and confirmation process. This

548
00:33:00,935 --> 00:33:04,055
is to confirm the program if there have

549
00:33:04,055 --> 00:33:07,175
been any changes since this study a few

550
00:33:07,175 --> 00:33:10,780
years prior to make sure we're capturing all

551
00:33:10,780 --> 00:33:14,220
the facts and figures. So I I really

552
00:33:14,220 --> 00:33:17,419
identify the key drivers for the program as

553
00:33:17,419 --> 00:33:20,380
the users, the staff, the visitors, the public

554
00:33:20,380 --> 00:33:23,855
interaction, as well as the fleet inventory, so

555
00:33:23,855 --> 00:33:28,495
all the the trucks and equipment, trailers. So

556
00:33:28,495 --> 00:33:31,055
you we take account of all the administrative

557
00:33:31,055 --> 00:33:36,190
staff, the, workforce, any future considerations for vacancies

558
00:33:36,190 --> 00:33:40,270
or future growth, and then how that translates

559
00:33:40,270 --> 00:33:44,350
to locker room count, parking needs, etcetera. Next

560
00:33:44,350 --> 00:33:50,085
slide, please. This is an overview. We confirmed

561
00:33:50,085 --> 00:33:52,965
our understanding of the existing site. Just a

562
00:33:52,965 --> 00:33:55,525
quick run through here. We have the DPW

563
00:33:55,525 --> 00:33:59,845
Building in the salt shed and a few

564
00:33:59,845 --> 00:34:02,885
storage buildings and containers surrounding the site in

565
00:34:02,885 --> 00:34:07,720
the blue. There's a bit of storage creeping

566
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:11,080
beyond that that's left uncovered in the red.

567
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:14,440
So, all the plows we had mentioned. In

568
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:17,880
the orange is material bins. So, your gravel

569
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:21,344
and loam And then the green kind of

570
00:34:21,344 --> 00:34:24,065
running the perimeter of the site and of

571
00:34:24,065 --> 00:34:29,105
the building is your parking provisions, which is

572
00:34:29,105 --> 00:34:31,824
also interfacing with that that purple dash line

573
00:34:31,824 --> 00:34:35,070
which is representing the site circulation. So if

574
00:34:35,070 --> 00:34:37,390
you're a visitor coming on to site, you

575
00:34:37,390 --> 00:34:42,510
may be fighting with the truck circulation which

576
00:34:42,510 --> 00:34:46,270
tends to be quite unsafe and and not

577
00:34:46,270 --> 00:34:49,550
ideal. So, it's a bit chaotic. You have

578
00:34:50,145 --> 00:34:53,745
few areas of building access in the purple

579
00:34:53,745 --> 00:34:59,345
arrows. So those are overhead garage doors. Ultimately,

580
00:34:59,345 --> 00:35:01,985
it's doing the best they're doing the best

581
00:35:01,985 --> 00:35:05,400
they can but it is a bit choppy

582
00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:10,840
site currently. Next slide, please. The review and

583
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:15,720
confirmation, we looked at the existing program, which

584
00:35:16,005 --> 00:35:18,805
covers the building but also those areas of

585
00:35:18,805 --> 00:35:25,365
storage efforts on-site. So the the building, the

586
00:35:25,365 --> 00:35:28,005
storage building, the containers, and all those areas

587
00:35:28,005 --> 00:35:32,200
without coverage. In comparison to the proposed program,

588
00:35:33,240 --> 00:35:35,400
of course, it is an increase and a

589
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,200
bulk of that is the fleet storage garage

590
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,480
and a little rationale behind that is it

591
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,200
is about three times the size of what

592
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,345
you have what they have currently. But the

593
00:35:48,345 --> 00:35:50,825
rationale is that there's these two rows on

594
00:35:50,825 --> 00:35:53,305
either side of the garage with angled parking

595
00:35:53,385 --> 00:35:56,745
and a center drive aisle. So that really

596
00:35:56,745 --> 00:35:59,625
helps to improve your response time, the organization,

597
00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:06,869
safety, and all the while, minimally conditioned. It's

598
00:36:06,869 --> 00:36:09,349
it's not set to this room. It's it's

599
00:36:09,349 --> 00:36:12,309
about 50 degrees. And it's it's also the

600
00:36:12,309 --> 00:36:14,825
cheapest per square foot space to build in

601
00:36:14,825 --> 00:36:18,825
these types of facilities. So it's it's, a

602
00:36:18,825 --> 00:36:23,065
major benefit for for not the most costly

603
00:36:23,065 --> 00:36:26,025
in terms of a new VPW facility. Next

604
00:36:26,025 --> 00:36:31,390
slide, please. So once we confirmed our program,

605
00:36:31,390 --> 00:36:34,750
we rolled into a conceptual design shred, which

606
00:36:34,750 --> 00:36:39,069
looked at various approaches to a phased building

607
00:36:39,069 --> 00:36:45,505
plan. So ultimately, we discussed the benefits of

608
00:36:45,904 --> 00:36:49,425
the first phase, including both the fleet maintenance

609
00:36:49,744 --> 00:36:51,984
and the fleet storage. So about two thirds

610
00:36:51,984 --> 00:36:55,105
of the building can be constructed in phase

611
00:36:55,105 --> 00:36:59,150
one. This also allows benefits like using that

612
00:36:59,150 --> 00:37:04,030
fleet storage space for temporary shop facilities and

613
00:37:04,030 --> 00:37:06,750
then coming back in to complete the building

614
00:37:06,750 --> 00:37:12,225
with the phase three. Ultimately, the DPW decided

615
00:37:12,225 --> 00:37:16,625
on a preferred alternative. Next slide, please. And

616
00:37:16,625 --> 00:37:18,465
I'll just walk us through the process of

617
00:37:18,465 --> 00:37:20,785
how this could look. So the image on

618
00:37:20,785 --> 00:37:24,690
the left, the maintenance in the wash bay

619
00:37:24,690 --> 00:37:27,970
and the fleet storage portion of the facility

620
00:37:28,290 --> 00:37:30,690
as well as a canopy off the backside

621
00:37:30,690 --> 00:37:33,490
of the salt shed could be built during

622
00:37:33,490 --> 00:37:37,010
this time. Also at this time, we would

623
00:37:37,505 --> 00:37:41,425
put together a privacy screen along the abutters

624
00:37:42,145 --> 00:37:46,385
to help with noise and and headlights. Once

625
00:37:46,385 --> 00:37:50,990
the building is demoed during phase two, we'll

626
00:37:50,990 --> 00:37:54,670
introduce temporary facilities, so some trailers. And at

627
00:37:54,670 --> 00:37:56,910
that point, the little orange box in the

628
00:37:56,910 --> 00:38:00,750
fleet storage garage is a represents the the

629
00:38:00,750 --> 00:38:04,415
temporary fit out for shop functions. Next slide,

630
00:38:04,415 --> 00:38:10,015
please. So with the existing DPW building removed,

631
00:38:10,415 --> 00:38:15,135
then the construction can shift to complete the

632
00:38:15,135 --> 00:38:18,220
project with the shops, the employee facilities, and

633
00:38:18,220 --> 00:38:20,700
the offices and so, the image on the

634
00:38:20,700 --> 00:38:23,420
right there represents what a completed facility could

635
00:38:23,420 --> 00:38:26,140
look like with with its parking and landscape

636
00:38:26,140 --> 00:38:31,535
design as well. Next slide. So during this

637
00:38:31,535 --> 00:38:35,135
time, we've also engaged with our engineers, the

638
00:38:35,135 --> 00:38:38,175
the site civil group, our environmental group, and

639
00:38:38,175 --> 00:38:42,975
industrial group. They've done their wetland delineation, some

640
00:38:42,975 --> 00:38:46,510
geotech borings, and test pits. The industrial equipment

641
00:38:46,510 --> 00:38:49,069
group has met with the mechanics to inventory

642
00:38:49,069 --> 00:38:51,950
their equipment and tools, and they're working on

643
00:38:51,950 --> 00:38:55,470
a equipment layout in the schematic floor plan.

644
00:38:56,109 --> 00:38:59,789
We also met with, our rep from Eversource,

645
00:38:59,985 --> 00:39:04,385
Trevor, and our green consultants, the green engineer,

646
00:39:04,625 --> 00:39:09,185
as well as Acton Sustainability Group, our OPM,

647
00:39:09,585 --> 00:39:12,625
and the DPW, and we discussed those mass

648
00:39:12,625 --> 00:39:15,579
save rebates to better understand what that could

649
00:39:15,579 --> 00:39:17,980
look like for this project as well as

650
00:39:17,980 --> 00:39:21,660
potential pursuits for elite certification and just overall

651
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:25,180
sustainability goals for the project. Next slide please.

652
00:39:26,780 --> 00:39:28,540
And a quick run through of where the

653
00:39:28,540 --> 00:39:31,845
building plans are. So again, phase one is,

654
00:39:32,245 --> 00:39:34,325
your fleet storage garage in the gray at

655
00:39:34,325 --> 00:39:38,165
the top. Purple represents your maintenance base with

656
00:39:38,165 --> 00:39:40,245
the wash bay off the end, as well

657
00:39:40,245 --> 00:39:42,420
as an office for the mechanics and a

658
00:39:42,420 --> 00:39:46,740
restroom facility. This phase is also critical to

659
00:39:46,740 --> 00:39:49,780
include our utility spaces. So just to run

660
00:39:49,780 --> 00:39:54,099
the building, but also provisions for the geothermal

661
00:39:54,099 --> 00:40:00,325
mechanical space. And then just for reference, phase

662
00:40:00,325 --> 00:40:02,885
three is outlined where it would go during

663
00:40:02,885 --> 00:40:04,725
that time as well as the existing building

664
00:40:04,725 --> 00:40:10,140
just to represent how we are we're maintaining

665
00:40:10,140 --> 00:40:12,380
a setback from that building so that trucks

666
00:40:12,380 --> 00:40:15,740
can still maneuver the existing site while this

667
00:40:15,740 --> 00:40:17,980
portion of the facility is being built. Next

668
00:40:17,980 --> 00:40:23,915
slide, please. And then phase three includes building

669
00:40:23,915 --> 00:40:27,435
out the workshop spaces adjacent to the maintenance

670
00:40:27,435 --> 00:40:32,715
and our employee facilities and offices represented with

671
00:40:32,715 --> 00:40:36,090
the orange and the yellow. Next slide, please.

672
00:40:37,290 --> 00:40:39,930
So here are a couple three d graphics

673
00:40:39,930 --> 00:40:42,089
to help kind of understand those those spaces

674
00:40:42,089 --> 00:40:46,010
a bit better. The high volume maintenance space

675
00:40:46,745 --> 00:40:50,665
is, is dictated by a roof eave minimum

676
00:40:50,665 --> 00:40:52,905
height to allow for our overhead doors, but

677
00:40:52,905 --> 00:40:55,225
also all the lifts to be able to

678
00:40:55,225 --> 00:40:58,825
function all the while, staying clear of any

679
00:40:58,825 --> 00:41:04,270
overhead infrastructure like, fire protection, electrical. And because

680
00:41:04,270 --> 00:41:06,510
of this high volume space, we also get

681
00:41:06,510 --> 00:41:09,630
the advantage of building some mezzanine space over

682
00:41:09,630 --> 00:41:12,910
those support rooms on that the far right

683
00:41:12,910 --> 00:41:17,345
side. And similarly with the fleet storage garage

684
00:41:17,345 --> 00:41:19,505
with that center drive aisle, the image on

685
00:41:19,505 --> 00:41:23,265
the right, you can take advantage of that

686
00:41:23,265 --> 00:41:25,825
height with the mezzanine that kinda runs, you

687
00:41:25,825 --> 00:41:27,985
know, the length of that that back wall

688
00:41:28,420 --> 00:41:30,180
And the large room on top of the

689
00:41:30,180 --> 00:41:33,140
mezzanine, that is where we're currently locating that

690
00:41:33,140 --> 00:41:40,420
geothermal mechanical space. Next slide, please. And these

691
00:41:40,420 --> 00:41:42,660
last two images here, the the image on

692
00:41:42,660 --> 00:41:45,465
the left shows a typical workshop fit out.

693
00:41:45,944 --> 00:41:48,265
It's large enough to pull the truck inside

694
00:41:48,345 --> 00:41:51,145
mezzanine space again due to its high volume.

695
00:41:51,145 --> 00:41:55,944
It's premium space for without taking up any

696
00:41:55,944 --> 00:41:59,300
more footprint. And here, this is this has

697
00:41:59,300 --> 00:42:02,180
connection over to the the mezzanine on the

698
00:42:02,180 --> 00:42:06,020
fleet storage side. So plenty of storage space,

699
00:42:06,020 --> 00:42:09,460
which, again, can be maximized by the DPW

700
00:42:09,460 --> 00:42:11,460
as well as some other departments in town.

701
00:42:12,295 --> 00:42:15,095
And then I'll walk you through briefly the

702
00:42:15,335 --> 00:42:19,255
administration block there on the right. So at

703
00:42:19,255 --> 00:42:22,455
the bottom there signifies a public lobby where,

704
00:42:23,015 --> 00:42:25,975
admin can interface with visitors through a service

705
00:42:25,975 --> 00:42:29,850
window running around the perimeters of the building

706
00:42:29,850 --> 00:42:34,170
are private offices and conference rooms. Within the

707
00:42:34,170 --> 00:42:37,210
core of the building are the office support

708
00:42:37,210 --> 00:42:40,970
areas like file storage, a layout space to

709
00:42:40,970 --> 00:42:44,385
look at plans, And then kind of work

710
00:42:44,385 --> 00:42:47,265
going toward the workshops in the rear are

711
00:42:47,265 --> 00:42:49,585
the employee facilities. So spaces like the training

712
00:42:49,585 --> 00:42:53,985
room, the locker rooms. And this this design

713
00:42:53,985 --> 00:42:58,440
includes a a dedicated woman female locker room.

714
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,920
So, definitely can help improve the appeal for

715
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:06,200
female applicants and then, along the rear with

716
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:09,080
that does not need window access for daylighting

717
00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:14,305
are your utility spaces. Next slide please. And

718
00:43:14,305 --> 00:43:20,065
John will be closing up the presentation. Thanks,

719
00:43:20,065 --> 00:43:24,704
Stella. Next slide please. So what's remaining for

720
00:43:24,704 --> 00:43:29,380
the schematic design? We are submitting our plans

721
00:43:29,540 --> 00:43:34,020
to our cost estimator and to the OPM

722
00:43:34,340 --> 00:43:39,620
on October 4. Each, we expect about two

723
00:43:39,620 --> 00:43:42,175
week turn, two to three week turnaround to

724
00:43:42,175 --> 00:43:44,734
get the estimate back at which time we'll

725
00:43:44,734 --> 00:43:50,655
reconcile the two estimates with each other. The

726
00:43:50,895 --> 00:43:53,055
schematic design package will then be submitted to

727
00:43:53,055 --> 00:43:57,170
the town which will include schematic level architectural

728
00:43:57,170 --> 00:44:02,369
plans, elevations, sections, details, site civil plans, industrial

729
00:44:02,369 --> 00:44:06,530
equipment plans. We'll have mechanical fire protection, structural

730
00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:12,665
engineering, design narratives, geotechnical report, the schematic design

731
00:44:12,665 --> 00:44:16,025
cost estimate, and the sustainable design narrative. Next

732
00:44:16,025 --> 00:44:21,545
slide please. What's proposed for the schedule moving

733
00:44:21,545 --> 00:44:25,240
forward? Next slide, please. So the goal is

734
00:44:25,240 --> 00:44:27,560
to have the design development permitting and public

735
00:44:27,560 --> 00:44:31,320
outreach occur next. So that's November of this

736
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:35,095
year through April of next year. We want

737
00:44:35,095 --> 00:44:37,175
to have again at the end of DD

738
00:44:37,175 --> 00:44:41,015
we'll have another cost estimate done by the

739
00:44:41,015 --> 00:44:44,535
OPM and done by our independent cost estimator

740
00:44:45,255 --> 00:44:48,490
which time we'll we'll bring the project to

741
00:44:48,490 --> 00:44:53,050
town meeting for consideration if the project passes

742
00:44:53,050 --> 00:44:56,890
the plan is to have construction occur starting

743
00:44:56,890 --> 00:45:00,090
in the summer of of twenty twenty five

744
00:45:00,705 --> 00:45:03,665
I'm sorry, pardon me. A backup. We'll finish

745
00:45:03,665 --> 00:45:06,545
our construction documents, bid the project in the

746
00:45:06,545 --> 00:45:10,465
fall of twenty twenty five, and then anticipated

747
00:45:11,025 --> 00:45:14,190
two year construction schedule. A little longer than

748
00:45:14,190 --> 00:45:16,910
a typical DPW because of the phasing aspect.

749
00:45:16,910 --> 00:45:19,070
So we'll have to have a little bit

750
00:45:19,070 --> 00:45:22,670
of time to move between phase one and

751
00:45:22,670 --> 00:45:26,030
phase two, bring in temporary facilities, demo the

752
00:45:26,030 --> 00:45:28,525
building, and then come back and complete the

753
00:45:28,525 --> 00:45:33,565
building in the site. Next slide. And thank

754
00:45:33,565 --> 00:45:37,005
you. That's our presentation and we welcome any

755
00:45:37,005 --> 00:45:53,579
questions that you might have. All right. Can

756
00:45:53,579 --> 00:45:56,905
you hear me? First, I had one thing

757
00:45:56,905 --> 00:46:00,185
to say but after seeing the presentation, I

758
00:46:00,185 --> 00:46:03,305
have one more thing to say. I had

759
00:46:03,305 --> 00:46:07,160
a house renovation a few years back and

760
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,800
I thought I had it estimated properly. I

761
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:13,400
didn't. I have a garage that's starting in

762
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:16,600
the fall, houses my little John Deere tractor.

763
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:20,545
It's the smallest diesel tractor. Problem was they

764
00:46:20,545 --> 00:46:25,025
needed my garage to do their cutting and

765
00:46:25,025 --> 00:46:28,625
staining and everything else. So my tractor was

766
00:46:28,625 --> 00:46:32,145
outside. Well, I went out there one day,

767
00:46:32,145 --> 00:46:34,225
started up, and I heard a big bang.

768
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:38,200
I have some big black walnut trees. The

769
00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,920
squirrels decided to store them all under the

770
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,200
hood. They took the fan, broke it, which

771
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,319
went into my radiator. Got that in to

772
00:46:47,319 --> 00:46:49,454
do some work, and they came back and

773
00:46:49,454 --> 00:46:51,934
they said, Oh, the nest is in there,

774
00:46:51,934 --> 00:46:57,214
and the urine has destroyed your wiring. So,

775
00:46:57,214 --> 00:46:59,535
I mean, I can see why you want

776
00:46:59,535 --> 00:47:01,855
to put things inside. Not only that, but

777
00:47:01,855 --> 00:47:03,214
later in the year, when I finally got

778
00:47:03,214 --> 00:47:05,920
it back, and I'm out there snow blowing

779
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,760
my driveway, or I should say I wanted

780
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,880
to, it was really hard to get it

781
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:16,160
started compared to the old days where I

782
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,200
knew I had to get to the train

783
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:19,120
station at 06:20, I'd figure out how much

784
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:20,935
snow we had. I get out there, get

785
00:47:20,935 --> 00:47:25,255
into my garage, turned it, started right up,

786
00:47:25,255 --> 00:47:26,775
and I'm out there doing the work and

787
00:47:26,775 --> 00:47:29,415
getting the work on time. So there's a

788
00:47:29,415 --> 00:47:32,615
lot to say about having equipment inside instead

789
00:47:32,615 --> 00:47:35,869
of outside. But the one point I wanted

790
00:47:35,869 --> 00:47:38,910
to say initially, when I was thinking about

791
00:47:38,910 --> 00:47:41,470
this tonight, is I do a lot at

792
00:47:41,470 --> 00:47:43,950
our senior center. And I talk to the

793
00:47:43,950 --> 00:47:46,505
people there. And back when we were looking

794
00:47:46,505 --> 00:47:50,265
at the operational override. I had a lot

795
00:47:50,265 --> 00:47:52,585
of people as I'm talking to them said,

796
00:47:53,225 --> 00:47:58,210
you know, aren't we redoing the DPW? So

797
00:47:58,210 --> 00:48:01,010
we really don't need this operational override? You

798
00:48:01,010 --> 00:48:02,930
know, I'd rather spend the money on the

799
00:48:02,930 --> 00:48:08,530
DPW site. Now, override passed and now we're

800
00:48:08,530 --> 00:48:10,050
looking at where do we find the money.

801
00:48:10,425 --> 00:48:13,065
So I'm hoping that the finance committee, the

802
00:48:13,065 --> 00:48:16,025
select board, and others list to this and

803
00:48:16,025 --> 00:48:19,225
really work really hard to get that school

804
00:48:19,225 --> 00:48:23,145
budget down, not up, so that we have

805
00:48:23,145 --> 00:48:26,640
the money for the DPW which is necessary.

806
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:30,080
Thank you. I'm sorry. Leo Fodgman, Wright Terrace.

807
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:38,285
Anyone else? Hi, I'm Corinne Hogseth. I live

808
00:48:38,285 --> 00:48:40,285
in Indian Village. I had a question about

809
00:48:40,925 --> 00:48:45,005
the geothermal and the solar stuff. I'm wondering,

810
00:48:45,005 --> 00:48:46,365
I know you don't have a cost estimate

811
00:48:46,365 --> 00:48:48,685
yet, but when it comes in, I hope

812
00:48:48,685 --> 00:48:50,125
that we can see what kind of a

813
00:48:50,125 --> 00:48:53,750
premium we're paying for the green part of

814
00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:57,270
it. Thank Yes. And and there is a

815
00:48:57,270 --> 00:48:59,670
premium. And there's that's the reason why there

816
00:48:59,670 --> 00:49:03,510
are the rebates to incentivize spending extra for

817
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:07,445
that. But there are also paybacks. So that

818
00:49:07,445 --> 00:49:11,605
will be included as well. We're proposing closed

819
00:49:11,605 --> 00:49:15,125
well for the geothermal. There's two types, guess,

820
00:49:15,125 --> 00:49:17,765
closed and open. The close is a bit

821
00:49:17,765 --> 00:49:20,990
more expensive, but it's also more environmentally conscientious

822
00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:22,510
and I know there's a concern in town

823
00:49:22,510 --> 00:49:28,030
for contamination of soils and high conductivity of

824
00:49:28,030 --> 00:49:33,630
waterways so that's the reason for that. I

825
00:49:33,630 --> 00:49:36,075
wrote down my remarks so I wouldn't forget

826
00:49:36,075 --> 00:49:40,395
them or go off script. Hello, Acton friends.

827
00:49:40,474 --> 00:49:42,715
My name is Eric Heals. I am 58

828
00:49:42,715 --> 00:49:46,234
years old, an Air Force veteran, small business

829
00:49:46,234 --> 00:49:49,230
owner, Clock Tower Law, and a long time

830
00:49:49,230 --> 00:49:54,030
Acton visitor and resident. In 1975, I first

831
00:49:54,030 --> 00:49:57,150
visited Acton when helping family friends move from

832
00:49:57,150 --> 00:50:01,550
Andover to Acton's Indian village. In 1983, those

833
00:50:01,550 --> 00:50:04,885
same friends moved to Acton's Robbins Park. In

834
00:50:04,885 --> 00:50:08,404
1995, shortly after graduating from law school, I

835
00:50:08,404 --> 00:50:11,285
first moved my family to Acton. But we

836
00:50:11,285 --> 00:50:13,765
could not afford to buy, so we rented

837
00:50:13,765 --> 00:50:18,270
a ranch in West Acton. In 1996, we

838
00:50:18,270 --> 00:50:20,510
moved to Marlborough again because we could not

839
00:50:20,510 --> 00:50:22,670
afford to buy in Acton, but also because

840
00:50:22,670 --> 00:50:26,030
Marlborough High School students at the time could

841
00:50:26,030 --> 00:50:29,710
attend the newly expanded Acton Boxborough Regional High

842
00:50:29,710 --> 00:50:34,635
School to offset cost of expansion. In 1998,

843
00:50:34,635 --> 00:50:36,315
my work resulted in a two year stint

844
00:50:36,315 --> 00:50:38,715
in Denver, Colorado, but we returned home to

845
00:50:38,715 --> 00:50:42,235
Acton's Minuteman Ridge in February, just before my

846
00:50:42,235 --> 00:50:46,315
oldest child entered first grade. Divorce and remarriage

847
00:50:46,315 --> 00:50:49,970
resulted in two more moves. And since 2013,

848
00:50:50,050 --> 00:50:53,170
Rebecca and I have called 17 Forest Road

849
00:50:53,170 --> 00:50:56,130
home. Now I'm going off script. You've seen,

850
00:50:56,770 --> 00:50:59,650
three houses to the north of Forest Road

851
00:50:59,650 --> 00:51:03,155
on all those overhead slides. Mine is the

852
00:51:03,475 --> 00:51:08,995
northernmost one of those three. 17 Forest Road.

853
00:51:08,995 --> 00:51:11,155
It's the yellow house with the chainsaw bear

854
00:51:11,155 --> 00:51:15,250
out front and the fenced backyard. Together, Rebecca

855
00:51:15,250 --> 00:51:17,250
and I have put five children through the

856
00:51:17,250 --> 00:51:20,450
AB school system, and our youngest, Freddie, is

857
00:51:20,450 --> 00:51:23,490
a senior at ABRHS. I have been a

858
00:51:23,490 --> 00:51:26,049
good steward of 17 Forest, and I have

859
00:51:26,049 --> 00:51:29,335
been a good neighbor to the DPW and

860
00:51:29,335 --> 00:51:31,575
to others. For example, I store a snow

861
00:51:31,575 --> 00:51:34,375
a snow plow on my property for a

862
00:51:34,375 --> 00:51:36,535
Venezuelan friend who plows for the town of

863
00:51:36,535 --> 00:51:39,255
Acton because he is not allowed to store

864
00:51:39,255 --> 00:51:42,500
the plow at his condo. Over the years,

865
00:51:42,500 --> 00:51:45,060
many vehicles have pulled into my driveway or

866
00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:47,860
rung my doorbell looking for directions to the

867
00:51:47,860 --> 00:51:50,500
DPW. And while I live across the street

868
00:51:50,500 --> 00:51:52,660
from the dump, otherwise known as the transfer

869
00:51:52,660 --> 00:51:54,980
station, I have never been to the dump.

870
00:51:55,655 --> 00:51:58,695
I much prefer a Marlborough centralized recycling and

871
00:51:58,695 --> 00:52:01,895
trash system, which, like school buses, is much

872
00:52:01,895 --> 00:52:04,375
more efficient than having thousands of cars do

873
00:52:04,375 --> 00:52:07,015
the same task. And in fact, the only

874
00:52:07,015 --> 00:52:08,820
time I had been to the DPW is

875
00:52:08,820 --> 00:52:11,380
to deliver mail and packages dropped off at

876
00:52:11,380 --> 00:52:14,820
my house by mistake. The DPW, on the

877
00:52:14,820 --> 00:52:17,380
other hand, has not been a good neighbor.

878
00:52:17,860 --> 00:52:21,380
Robins Park families in general and residents of

879
00:52:21,380 --> 00:52:25,095
Hosmer Street and Forest Road in particular already

880
00:52:25,095 --> 00:52:29,095
bear a disproportionate amount of traffic, especially on

881
00:52:29,095 --> 00:52:32,935
Saturday afternoons going to the dump, often speeding

882
00:52:32,935 --> 00:52:35,415
at close to twice the posted speed limit.

883
00:52:35,655 --> 00:52:38,099
And some of the worst offenders are those

884
00:52:38,099 --> 00:52:40,740
who work at or fuel up at the

885
00:52:40,740 --> 00:52:44,660
DPW. The majority of residents on Forest Road

886
00:52:44,660 --> 00:52:47,700
own dogs, and the lack of sidewalks in

887
00:52:47,700 --> 00:52:50,019
the neighborhood combined with the amount and speed

888
00:52:50,019 --> 00:52:53,075
of traffic makes walking with or without dogs

889
00:52:53,075 --> 00:52:56,115
treacherous. I was a cat person for forty

890
00:52:56,115 --> 00:52:59,155
seven years, but our family decided to rescue

891
00:52:59,155 --> 00:53:01,155
a stray dog last year. Her name is

892
00:53:01,155 --> 00:53:04,835
Piper. We walk Piper twice daily and multiple

893
00:53:04,835 --> 00:53:07,840
times per week. We have close calls with

894
00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:12,800
Acton bus, DPW, fire, police, and rescue vehicles.

895
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:14,880
When driving on the highway, we were all

896
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,800
taught to move over a full lane for

897
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,520
cars on the shoulder. We should all do

898
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,435
the same thing on neighborhood roads. Recently, a

899
00:53:22,435 --> 00:53:24,355
dog was struck by a speeding vehicle on

900
00:53:24,355 --> 00:53:26,035
Minot Avenue, and the dog had to have

901
00:53:26,035 --> 00:53:29,234
one of its legs amputated. Yet when sidewalks

902
00:53:29,234 --> 00:53:31,714
were added to Minot Avenue and Taylor Road

903
00:53:31,714 --> 00:53:34,275
A Few Years ago, the entrance to Forest

904
00:53:34,275 --> 00:53:39,230
Road from Minot Avenue was inexplicably widened, allowing

905
00:53:39,230 --> 00:53:43,870
speeding cars to take that corner even faster.

906
00:53:44,030 --> 00:53:47,390
It's also where the sidewalk ends. The proposed

907
00:53:47,390 --> 00:53:51,695
DPW construction project will add additional noise, traffic,

908
00:53:51,695 --> 00:53:55,775
and danger for already overburdened Robins Park families.

909
00:53:56,175 --> 00:53:58,015
So I believe that much more needs to

910
00:53:58,015 --> 00:54:00,255
be done for the residents of Robins Park

911
00:54:00,335 --> 00:54:04,175
before this construction project starts. The vegetative buffer

912
00:54:04,175 --> 00:54:07,190
referred to on the project website has decreased

913
00:54:07,190 --> 00:54:09,829
in density and effectiveness every year that I

914
00:54:09,829 --> 00:54:12,309
have lived here, most notably due to the

915
00:54:12,309 --> 00:54:16,309
twenty eleven October snowstorm and the September 2023

916
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:19,830
microbursts, both of which took out many mature,

917
00:54:20,150 --> 00:54:23,505
mostly oak trees. If you lived here, what

918
00:54:23,505 --> 00:54:27,185
would you ask for? Sidewalks, narrowing the forest

919
00:54:27,185 --> 00:54:31,665
Binaught intersection, planting evergreens such as hemlocks, rhododendrons,

920
00:54:31,665 --> 00:54:33,105
or the like on the perimeter of the

921
00:54:33,105 --> 00:54:37,800
vegetative buffer, replacing the always on DPW spotlights

922
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:41,720
with motion lights, being a better neighbor. I

923
00:54:41,720 --> 00:54:43,720
understand that this project has been in planning

924
00:54:43,720 --> 00:54:46,520
for quite some time, but the first direct

925
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:49,975
communication that I received about it was Acton's

926
00:54:49,975 --> 00:54:53,494
September eighteenth letter announcing this public meeting. That

927
00:54:53,494 --> 00:54:56,135
was eight days ago. I have been a

928
00:54:56,135 --> 00:54:58,055
good steward of every property that I've ever

929
00:54:58,055 --> 00:54:59,815
owned, and I have been a good neighbor

930
00:54:59,815 --> 00:55:02,680
everywhere I have lived. The town of Acton

931
00:55:02,680 --> 00:55:07,000
can and should do better. Sincerely, Eric Heals,

932
00:55:07,080 --> 00:55:15,720
Actonian since 1995. Thank you. Anyone else? Miss

933
00:55:15,880 --> 00:55:20,855
mister Heal, if you could either email a

934
00:55:20,855 --> 00:55:23,095
copy of your remarks or or hand them

935
00:55:23,095 --> 00:55:26,295
over to us. That's exactly the kind of

936
00:55:26,295 --> 00:55:32,320
input that we wanted and I appreciate the

937
00:55:32,320 --> 00:55:35,680
fact that obviously we're an industrial operation. We

938
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:40,320
do have impacts on the neighborhood. And these

939
00:55:40,320 --> 00:55:42,400
are the same sort of issues that were

940
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,475
raised with the North Acton Fire Station. So

941
00:55:45,475 --> 00:55:47,715
we worked closely with the neighbors there to

942
00:55:47,715 --> 00:55:50,515
try to do whatever we could to mitigate

943
00:55:50,515 --> 00:55:53,235
the impact of that facility. And certainly, I

944
00:55:53,235 --> 00:55:54,995
hope to do the same with the Public

945
00:55:54,995 --> 00:56:02,810
Works Building. Thank you for your comments. Three

946
00:56:02,810 --> 00:56:07,850
case sorry. I was hit almost twice on

947
00:56:07,850 --> 00:56:11,130
hazardous waste day. Hundreds of cars queued up

948
00:56:11,130 --> 00:56:14,945
outside of my house. I was three you're

949
00:56:14,945 --> 00:56:16,945
shaking your head no that I wasn't hit?

950
00:56:18,705 --> 00:56:21,585
I know what you're Yeah. That's you're saying.

951
00:56:21,585 --> 00:56:26,930
Yeah. Today, walking the dog, in the rain,

952
00:56:26,930 --> 00:56:28,770
three case bus drivers drove by the case

953
00:56:28,770 --> 00:56:30,849
bus drivers, by the way, are the least

954
00:56:30,849 --> 00:56:32,849
bad of the offenders. But two of them

955
00:56:32,849 --> 00:56:35,890
almost hit me today. And so it's a

956
00:56:35,890 --> 00:56:37,755
it's a daily occurrence. I I don't know

957
00:56:37,755 --> 00:56:39,755
if this committee is is coordinating with the

958
00:56:39,755 --> 00:56:42,954
sidewalk committee. Don't know how you prioritize where

959
00:56:42,954 --> 00:56:45,115
the sidewalks go, but if you ever wanna

960
00:56:45,115 --> 00:56:47,595
try to take a a left turn walk,

961
00:56:47,595 --> 00:56:49,994
walking down Forest to Hosmer or to Whittier

962
00:56:49,994 --> 00:56:51,820
or to Forest, man, you take your life

963
00:56:51,820 --> 00:56:54,859
into your hands doing that every day. Hosmer

964
00:56:54,859 --> 00:56:56,700
is even worse. People drive 50 or more

965
00:56:56,700 --> 00:56:59,820
in Hosmer, especially on Saturdays. It's nuts. So

966
00:56:59,820 --> 00:57:01,180
I'd invite you to come over to my

967
00:57:01,180 --> 00:57:03,900
house on Saturday and watch what it's like,

968
00:57:04,315 --> 00:57:07,355
especially around 03:00, four o'clock. And not once

969
00:57:07,355 --> 00:57:10,315
since 1995 have I seen the police pull

970
00:57:10,315 --> 00:57:13,835
anybody over in any residential neighborhood in Acton.

971
00:57:13,995 --> 00:57:15,835
Not once. Come on a Wednesday to see

972
00:57:15,835 --> 00:57:17,720
what it's like with the the noise and

973
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:19,720
the construction and the and the speeding. And

974
00:57:19,720 --> 00:57:22,040
now you're gonna take half of the trees

975
00:57:22,040 --> 00:57:24,119
away. That's what the plan looked like to

976
00:57:24,119 --> 00:57:26,280
me, about half of the trees. And it's

977
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:28,200
half of the trees have already come down

978
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:30,040
in that same area since I've lived there.

979
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,775
I can see the buildings clear as day

980
00:57:32,775 --> 00:57:34,295
from my front yard just as you can

981
00:57:34,295 --> 00:57:36,694
see in my house on all those photos.

982
00:57:36,694 --> 00:57:38,694
And I first found out about this project

983
00:57:38,694 --> 00:57:56,660
eight days ago. Thank you. I just have

984
00:57:56,660 --> 00:58:00,085
kind of one general question. Look at Scott

985
00:58:00,085 --> 00:58:06,725
Sullivan, a Patriot's room. Understanding the presentation with

986
00:58:06,725 --> 00:58:08,645
the gist of it being that the urgency

987
00:58:08,645 --> 00:58:12,005
and need to to have this done and

988
00:58:12,005 --> 00:58:15,500
seeing all the support for that. What I

989
00:58:15,500 --> 00:58:21,580
am confused with is the phased program of

990
00:58:21,580 --> 00:58:24,859
doing this over multiple years, which in my

991
00:58:24,859 --> 00:58:29,765
mind would increase the cost, probably prevent an

992
00:58:29,765 --> 00:58:34,085
urgent response and cause delays on having the

993
00:58:34,085 --> 00:58:36,805
facility operate the way it needs to operate.

994
00:58:37,205 --> 00:58:39,765
And after going to Planet Fitness every morning

995
00:58:39,765 --> 00:58:41,605
and watching a building go up in literally

996
00:58:41,605 --> 00:58:45,100
one month over the summertime. I'm not understanding

997
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:48,300
why or or maybe you already have an

998
00:58:48,300 --> 00:58:53,020
analysis on if this was built during the

999
00:58:53,020 --> 00:58:55,660
warmer months so that there's no snow or

1000
00:58:55,660 --> 00:58:59,365
ice and things could just be done faster

1001
00:58:59,445 --> 00:59:03,125
so this could be resolved quicker. I'm hoping

1002
00:59:03,125 --> 00:59:05,845
in your final analysis that that is a

1003
00:59:05,845 --> 00:59:14,420
scenario that's presented. Maybe just to respond quickly

1004
00:59:14,420 --> 00:59:16,980
to that. Mean, we all want the construction

1005
00:59:16,980 --> 00:59:20,660
to occur as quickly as possible. The purpose

1006
00:59:20,660 --> 00:59:23,945
of the phase plan is to maintain those

1007
00:59:23,945 --> 00:59:26,425
operations as best we can. There isn't anywhere

1008
00:59:26,425 --> 00:59:29,145
in town to move to on a temporary

1009
00:59:29,145 --> 00:59:31,385
basis and that building is in the middle

1010
00:59:31,385 --> 00:59:33,225
of the site where we need to build

1011
00:59:33,225 --> 00:59:35,865
a new facility, a new site, a new

1012
00:59:35,865 --> 00:59:40,420
parking. So unfortunately, we initially thought we could

1013
00:59:40,420 --> 00:59:43,220
maybe find an industrial spot where we could

1014
00:59:43,220 --> 00:59:46,020
relocate the DPW, but there really isn't any

1015
00:59:46,020 --> 00:59:50,819
place in Acton or in Concord or any

1016
00:59:50,819 --> 00:59:53,865
in Stowe or any nearby community where that

1017
00:59:53,865 --> 00:59:57,625
type of facility would could be found. And

1018
00:59:57,625 --> 01:00:00,105
it would be expensive because of the unique

1019
01:00:00,105 --> 01:00:03,145
needs of the fleet maintenance department. They need

1020
01:00:03,145 --> 01:00:05,960
to fit out a new space completely. So

1021
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:09,080
the purpose of the phasing itself is to,

1022
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,960
it mainly based around those needs because we

1023
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:14,680
need to get fleet maintenance up and running

1024
01:00:14,680 --> 01:00:16,760
in a new facility and kind of seamlessly

1025
01:00:16,760 --> 01:00:20,535
transition them and that will maintain those operations

1026
01:00:20,535 --> 01:00:24,615
as best as possible. The building type that

1027
01:00:24,615 --> 01:00:27,335
is most economical for a DPW that provides

1028
01:00:27,335 --> 01:00:29,975
these very long spans, it's called a pre

1029
01:00:29,975 --> 01:00:34,990
engineered metal building. There's always a lag time,

1030
01:00:34,990 --> 01:00:37,710
unfortunately, between the time you can get one

1031
01:00:37,710 --> 01:00:40,430
of those buildings into production. There's a lot

1032
01:00:40,430 --> 01:00:42,990
of review back and forth of shop drawings,

1033
01:00:43,150 --> 01:00:47,285
coordination of utilities, and so forth. So from

1034
01:00:47,285 --> 01:00:49,685
the time that the building is ordered until

1035
01:00:49,685 --> 01:00:53,045
delivered and constructed, there's a pretty significant lag

1036
01:00:53,045 --> 01:00:56,165
in time. We still think it goes up

1037
01:00:56,165 --> 01:00:58,565
faster than a lot of traditional buildings and

1038
01:00:58,565 --> 01:01:00,405
is the most cost effective type of building

1039
01:01:00,405 --> 01:01:04,420
to use for the DPW facility. So I

1040
01:01:04,420 --> 01:01:07,140
do appreciate your concerns and we do try

1041
01:01:07,140 --> 01:01:10,339
to you know reduce the timeline as much

1042
01:01:10,339 --> 01:01:12,579
as possible and phasing does add to the

1043
01:01:12,579 --> 01:01:23,565
timeline I agree. Greg Jarboe, five Cherokee Road.

1044
01:01:24,525 --> 01:01:27,849
To follow-up on the the timing issue. How

1045
01:01:27,849 --> 01:01:30,730
many filed sub bids will this kind of

1046
01:01:30,730 --> 01:01:35,930
construction require? Quite a number. Yeah. Fortunately not

1047
01:01:35,930 --> 01:01:38,250
roofing because that's part of the building package

1048
01:01:38,250 --> 01:01:41,130
itself, but it could be 11. It could

1049
01:01:41,130 --> 01:01:44,915
be yeah. Yeah. The quantities of ceiling tile,

1050
01:01:44,915 --> 01:01:52,195
floor tile, miscellaneous metals, painting, masonry, electrical, HVAC,

1051
01:01:52,195 --> 01:01:54,819
plumbing, fire protection. Yeah. There's a lot. Yeah.

1052
01:01:54,900 --> 01:01:57,460
And that's that's very typical for, this type

1053
01:01:57,460 --> 01:02:00,099
of building. That that I'm aware. I haven't

1054
01:02:00,099 --> 01:02:03,780
lived in town as long as Dean, but

1055
01:02:03,780 --> 01:02:08,285
I've been in Acton since 1978. And from

1056
01:02:08,285 --> 01:02:11,484
'79 to '81, I was a legislative aide

1057
01:02:11,484 --> 01:02:14,444
to a state senator who chaired the state

1058
01:02:14,444 --> 01:02:18,045
administration committee when we got the ward commission

1059
01:02:18,525 --> 01:02:24,260
report about public construction in Massachusetts. And one

1060
01:02:24,260 --> 01:02:26,180
of the things that drives up the cost

1061
01:02:26,180 --> 01:02:29,940
of public construction in this state versus private

1062
01:02:29,940 --> 01:02:34,580
construction is the filed sub bid law. And

1063
01:02:34,740 --> 01:02:39,005
every time you have 11 or more different

1064
01:02:39,005 --> 01:02:44,605
sub bidders waiting for the other guy to

1065
01:02:44,685 --> 01:02:50,525
turn up to do their part, money money,

1066
01:02:52,160 --> 01:02:55,120
you know, goes out the window. So, again,

1067
01:02:55,600 --> 01:02:59,920
if facing this over two years seems prudent

1068
01:03:01,600 --> 01:03:03,760
and we don't have a cost estimate yet,

1069
01:03:04,775 --> 01:03:06,775
but, I gotta believe that one of the

1070
01:03:06,775 --> 01:03:16,260
ginormous cost drivers is gonna be time. It

1071
01:03:16,260 --> 01:03:18,420
it it is and filed sub bids are

1072
01:03:18,420 --> 01:03:21,860
just unfortunately part of the chapter 149 reality

1073
01:03:21,860 --> 01:03:32,020
that municipal projects have to deal with. Yeah,

1074
01:03:32,020 --> 01:03:33,325
I wonder if you could speak a little

1075
01:03:33,325 --> 01:03:37,165
bit to environmental studies soil sampling. You did

1076
01:03:37,165 --> 01:03:39,165
mention core drilling. I assume that's probably for

1077
01:03:39,165 --> 01:03:41,405
the geothermal, but is it also to explore

1078
01:03:41,405 --> 01:03:44,845
whether there's anything on-site that could be ledge

1079
01:03:44,845 --> 01:03:49,220
surprises in other ways? So the geotechnical investigation

1080
01:03:49,220 --> 01:03:52,660
was for the for the kind of the

1081
01:03:52,660 --> 01:03:56,260
structural evaluation of the soil capacity. Not yet

1082
01:03:56,260 --> 01:03:58,100
for the geothermal. We need to bring on

1083
01:03:58,100 --> 01:04:01,700
a well, a test well to evaluate the

1084
01:04:02,244 --> 01:04:07,685
ground capacity for geothermal. For environmental, you know,

1085
01:04:07,685 --> 01:04:11,045
this is a historical fifty year, more than

1086
01:04:11,045 --> 01:04:13,925
fifty year DPW site. It has had past

1087
01:04:13,925 --> 01:04:17,600
remediation. There was a dry well that was

1088
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:20,560
abated 2,004, two thousand and eight, something like

1089
01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:23,520
that. So we, you know, and we also

1090
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,600
work on a lot of different DPW sites,

1091
01:04:25,600 --> 01:04:30,320
but we are going to perform an environmental

1092
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:34,435
evaluation. And at least for the initial cost

1093
01:04:34,435 --> 01:04:37,955
estimate, we're going to assume the site is

1094
01:04:37,955 --> 01:04:40,195
gonna be an export site largely. We're gonna

1095
01:04:40,195 --> 01:04:43,315
be removing soil from the site. So we

1096
01:04:43,315 --> 01:04:45,315
have to assume a percentage of that is

1097
01:04:45,315 --> 01:04:48,640
going to be contaminated soil. And we're going

1098
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:51,120
to do our internal review. We don't have

1099
01:04:51,120 --> 01:04:52,880
to do a full phase one yet. We

1100
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:53,920
don't have to do a full phase one

1101
01:04:53,920 --> 01:04:55,920
because the town owns the site. But we

1102
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,400
do have to do an environmental assessment. And

1103
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:02,535
we're gonna, once we complete that, we'll get

1104
01:05:02,535 --> 01:05:05,655
more data and revise our estimate as more

1105
01:05:05,655 --> 01:05:09,255
information becomes available. And so then my follow-up

1106
01:05:09,255 --> 01:05:10,935
question to that would be, what's the timeline

1107
01:05:10,935 --> 01:05:12,375
for that? I didn't see it on the

1108
01:05:12,375 --> 01:05:15,110
recent timeline that was given in terms of

1109
01:05:15,110 --> 01:05:19,190
where it We're performing the environmental now and

1110
01:05:19,910 --> 01:05:21,750
design development will be when we kind of

1111
01:05:21,750 --> 01:05:25,030
investigate further the next phase of design. So

1112
01:05:25,030 --> 01:05:39,694
that's taking place starting November. You're welcome. Well,

1113
01:05:40,095 --> 01:05:43,454
thank you unless there's any other questions, that

1114
01:05:43,700 --> 01:05:49,299
pretty much brings the public presentation to an

1115
01:05:49,299 --> 01:05:52,900
end. Thank you, John. Thank you, Della, for

1116
01:05:52,900 --> 01:05:59,475
a great presentation. Assistant town manager did note

1117
01:05:59,475 --> 01:06:03,395
a website. It's available. And we'll be posting

1118
01:06:03,395 --> 01:06:06,835
all of these documents. This presentation will be

1119
01:06:06,835 --> 01:06:12,595
available online as well. I encourage everyone to

1120
01:06:12,835 --> 01:06:15,380
reach out to all members of the committee.

1121
01:06:15,940 --> 01:06:20,740
I have a stack of my business cards

1122
01:06:20,740 --> 01:06:22,660
where I'd be happy to have people contact

1123
01:06:22,660 --> 01:06:25,060
me directly if you have any particular questions.

1124
01:06:25,700 --> 01:06:27,620
And I know that the town manager and

1125
01:06:27,620 --> 01:06:29,805
the assistant town manager and everyone in the

1126
01:06:29,805 --> 01:06:32,525
design team is eager to hear whatever input

1127
01:06:32,525 --> 01:06:39,165
you've got. The committee has not met since

1128
01:06:39,165 --> 01:06:42,220
March because we had so much prep work

1129
01:06:42,220 --> 01:06:46,700
to do with procuring the project manager and

1130
01:06:46,700 --> 01:06:50,380
the architect. But we will, later on tonight,

1131
01:06:50,380 --> 01:06:54,940
be determining a projected meeting schedule for the

1132
01:06:54,940 --> 01:06:58,994
next few months. And certainly if you would

1133
01:06:58,994 --> 01:07:01,875
like to get any more information, reach out

1134
01:07:01,875 --> 01:07:07,555
to us. Thank you. David? The committee's email

1135
01:07:07,555 --> 01:07:11,315
address is not on the website. I bet

1136
01:07:11,315 --> 01:07:22,309
that's going to get fixed. Thank you. Alright.

1137
01:07:22,309 --> 01:07:29,895
To, committee business for members of the committee.

1138
01:07:30,855 --> 01:07:39,329
Pull up the agenda. First item business we

1139
01:07:39,329 --> 01:07:42,450
do have a set of minutes, which I

1140
01:07:42,609 --> 01:07:44,610
think I've sent out a couple of times.

1141
01:07:46,049 --> 01:07:50,210
The, some of the members were not here,

1142
01:07:50,530 --> 01:07:52,974
for the particular meeting, but we'd like to,

1143
01:07:54,255 --> 01:07:58,255
get these meetings, these minutes reviewed and approved

1144
01:07:58,255 --> 01:08:01,135
so that we can get them posted. Town

1145
01:08:01,135 --> 01:08:04,575
Clerk's office. Mr. Chair, I move to approve

1146
01:08:04,575 --> 01:08:09,440
the minutes of, I believe it's 03/01/2024. Thank

1147
01:08:09,440 --> 01:08:14,240
you. You got a second? I'll second. Okay.

1148
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:19,954
Moved and seconded. Any comments, questions? Just a

1149
01:08:19,954 --> 01:08:22,274
question. I wasn't present for the meeting, but

1150
01:08:22,274 --> 01:08:23,954
I have read the minutes. Should I vote

1151
01:08:23,954 --> 01:08:30,594
or abstain? I believe. I believe you can

1152
01:08:30,594 --> 01:08:35,429
vote for him. Okay. All in favor of

1153
01:08:35,429 --> 01:08:37,750
accepting the minutes of the March 1 meeting

1154
01:08:37,750 --> 01:08:44,005
please say aye. Aye. Opposed? Abstentions? Thank you.

1155
01:08:47,285 --> 01:08:52,085
We are going to be making a further

1156
01:08:52,085 --> 01:08:55,285
presentation to the select board. I've been pretty

1157
01:08:55,285 --> 01:08:57,240
much updating the select board for every one

1158
01:08:57,240 --> 01:09:03,080
of our meetings. So I will be working

1159
01:09:03,080 --> 01:09:05,160
with the select board chair as far as

1160
01:09:05,160 --> 01:09:07,319
setting aside a time so that we can

1161
01:09:07,319 --> 01:09:15,074
do a more timely update. Again, we talk

1162
01:09:15,074 --> 01:09:17,554
about process receiving input from residents. I know

1163
01:09:17,554 --> 01:09:20,514
some people have reached out already and I

1164
01:09:21,314 --> 01:09:23,394
hope to meet with, I believe it's Alice.

1165
01:09:25,110 --> 01:09:30,070
Thank you. So we can discuss the questions

1166
01:09:30,070 --> 01:09:42,094
that you've raised. I can't hear much either.

1167
01:09:42,095 --> 01:10:14,785
So Nothing came out of the drain that

1168
01:10:14,785 --> 01:10:17,425
I'm talking about. And nine chuckle fulls would

1169
01:10:17,425 --> 01:10:20,570
have a machine with two little, like, fork.

1170
01:10:20,650 --> 01:10:22,650
They took nine bucket loads out of that.

1171
01:10:22,650 --> 01:10:25,210
I thought, now it's that train. Why they're

1172
01:10:25,210 --> 01:10:27,770
so close together? I don't know. What has

1173
01:10:27,770 --> 01:10:36,185
really happened is that years ago, like, the

1174
01:10:36,185 --> 01:10:38,665
driveway, the road got higher and higher and

1175
01:10:38,665 --> 01:10:41,625
higher. And I said to one gentleman, I

1176
01:10:41,625 --> 01:10:43,170
I have to teach my car how to

1177
01:10:43,170 --> 01:10:45,650
jump if we replace this program one more

1178
01:10:45,650 --> 01:10:48,450
time and which really is a fight. So

1179
01:10:48,450 --> 01:10:52,770
now there's a there's a plunge because the

1180
01:10:52,770 --> 01:10:55,810
drain is too high or I'm too low.

1181
01:10:56,050 --> 01:10:58,530
Whatever. I'm in the low spot, obviously. It

1182
01:10:58,530 --> 01:10:58,585
didn't start that way, but it ended that

1183
01:10:58,585 --> 01:11:00,130
didn't start that way, but it ended that

1184
01:11:00,130 --> 01:10:58,585
way. Whatever. I'm the low spot, obviously. It

1185
01:11:00,185 --> 01:11:03,865
way. So they I'm asking if you could

1186
01:11:03,865 --> 01:11:05,785
build it takes probably an hour and a

1187
01:11:05,785 --> 01:11:08,105
half to build my driveway up up or

1188
01:11:08,105 --> 01:11:12,540
take that drain out so we have you

1189
01:11:12,540 --> 01:11:14,460
you know what I'm saying? I I know

1190
01:11:14,460 --> 01:11:17,260
what you're saying. I'll because everybody now with

1191
01:11:17,260 --> 01:11:21,020
the DPW knows the virgin drain. And the

1192
01:11:21,020 --> 01:11:24,860
engineer, I won't say any more than that.

1193
01:11:25,100 --> 01:11:27,695
I've had many conversations with her. I'm on

1194
01:11:27,695 --> 01:11:30,335
the list, and I said, I guess my

1195
01:11:30,335 --> 01:11:32,415
fear is I'm not gonna live long enough

1196
01:11:32,495 --> 01:11:34,415
to see if oh, you're on the list.

1197
01:11:34,415 --> 01:11:35,775
I said, may I see the list? No.

1198
01:11:35,775 --> 01:11:38,415
Of course not. So my question is my

1199
01:11:38,415 --> 01:11:41,570
first or my hundred and fortieth. So, there's

1200
01:11:41,570 --> 01:11:43,410
no answer. We'll try to get you that

1201
01:11:43,410 --> 01:11:47,330
answer. Yeah. And. I don't have my card

1202
01:11:47,330 --> 01:11:51,489
with me. Apologize. But reach out to me.

1203
01:11:53,330 --> 01:11:58,045
At any time. I'll discuss that. How is

1204
01:11:58,045 --> 01:12:01,405
it be? Can I ask one question? Sure.

1205
01:12:01,405 --> 01:12:04,684
Because I'm literally next door. Yes, you are.

1206
01:12:04,925 --> 01:12:07,005
And that's not a problem for me. I

1207
01:12:07,005 --> 01:12:09,920
mean, the noise sometimes is, you know, puts

1208
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,000
a when the salt when they're using the

1209
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:14,239
salt thing and that thing backs up. I

1210
01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:16,159
mean, it's it's it and I know they

1211
01:12:16,159 --> 01:12:19,360
have to do that, but I don't really

1212
01:12:19,360 --> 01:12:20,719
have to stand by because I'm on a

1213
01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:22,545
farm and we have to do the same

1214
01:12:22,545 --> 01:12:25,505
thing. It's that big, loud, big, big noise.

1215
01:12:25,505 --> 01:12:28,705
So you get used to it. You get

1216
01:12:28,705 --> 01:12:30,705
used to it. And plus, I'm grateful because

1217
01:12:30,705 --> 01:12:32,785
I wanna be the first person plowed out.

1218
01:12:32,945 --> 01:12:36,305
So that works for me. I'm glad. Yeah.

1219
01:12:36,305 --> 01:12:37,870
No. They I think the people there are

1220
01:12:37,870 --> 01:12:40,670
very, very nice. I think I think part

1221
01:12:40,670 --> 01:12:44,190
of the the site plan that we hope

1222
01:12:44,430 --> 01:12:47,070
will help things for the neighbors is that

1223
01:12:48,110 --> 01:12:49,710
although the building is going to be closer

1224
01:12:49,710 --> 01:12:52,614
to Forest Road than the existing building. We

1225
01:12:52,614 --> 01:12:55,255
hope that it's going to create a a

1226
01:12:55,255 --> 01:13:01,014
a shield for noise and for headlights. I

1227
01:13:01,014 --> 01:13:03,574
know when you wrote to me earlier, you

1228
01:13:03,574 --> 01:13:06,320
wrote to the committee earlier today, today. I'm

1229
01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:08,720
certainly, you know, sound fencing and that sort

1230
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,960
of stuff. Those are the kind of amenities

1231
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:13,680
that we wanna consider. Well, you know, like

1232
01:13:13,680 --> 01:13:16,080
on the highways, they have fences as high

1233
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:19,725
as this room. Yeah. Is that to block

1234
01:13:19,725 --> 01:13:22,685
noise or is that Noise. It is really.

1235
01:13:23,005 --> 01:13:24,605
Well, I guess when I see that, when

1236
01:13:24,605 --> 01:13:27,405
I drive on the highways, I'm like, oh,

1237
01:13:27,405 --> 01:13:31,005
fencing. Wow. Well, that's the flip side of

1238
01:13:31,005 --> 01:13:32,125
it. You wanna look at that in your

1239
01:13:32,125 --> 01:13:39,300
backyard? I'm fine with that. Okay. Okay. Yeah.

1240
01:13:39,300 --> 01:13:41,460
I'd rather see that than cars and trucks.

1241
01:13:41,860 --> 01:13:44,100
Great. And plus, I want my deer to

1242
01:13:44,100 --> 01:13:46,420
have a my deer have a track through

1243
01:13:46,420 --> 01:13:48,855
the back. They used to come around through

1244
01:13:48,855 --> 01:13:51,015
my house, and I bought I bought some

1245
01:13:51,015 --> 01:13:54,455
of those solar creepy things. Yep. So now

1246
01:13:54,455 --> 01:13:55,975
they go all the way around the back

1247
01:13:55,975 --> 01:13:58,775
of my house and in between the two

1248
01:13:58,775 --> 01:14:01,415
houses and across the street. I'm like, perfect.

1249
01:14:01,415 --> 01:14:04,979
Perfect. And they mow down across the street.

1250
01:14:05,460 --> 01:14:07,380
Yeah. So then I'll come they don't come

1251
01:14:07,380 --> 01:14:09,699
at all of my property. Alright. But I'm

1252
01:14:09,699 --> 01:14:12,179
not seeing them come through because they're beautiful.

1253
01:14:12,739 --> 01:14:17,304
Yeah. I will I'll follow-up appreciate that. See

1254
01:14:17,304 --> 01:14:18,425
if we can do it. If you, you

1255
01:14:18,425 --> 01:14:20,425
know, at any time, give me a call.

1256
01:14:20,425 --> 01:14:22,744
Give me a call. I sent you pictures.

1257
01:14:23,784 --> 01:14:26,264
I I remember we had the discussion. Yeah.

1258
01:14:26,264 --> 01:14:28,264
Couple of years ago. Videos of them cleaning

1259
01:14:28,264 --> 01:14:30,170
out like, do you mind gonna call it

1260
01:14:30,170 --> 01:14:32,250
a virgin drain? It's never been used. It

1261
01:14:32,250 --> 01:14:36,810
doesn't hurt my feelings. No. I mean, it's

1262
01:14:36,810 --> 01:14:43,385
useless. I'll follow-up. Engineer, how come there's two

1263
01:14:43,385 --> 01:14:44,905
drains here and one is so high that

1264
01:14:44,905 --> 01:14:46,825
no water can go in it? Who who

1265
01:14:46,825 --> 01:14:48,905
designed that? Did you look at it? If

1266
01:14:48,905 --> 01:14:52,345
you did, don't answer the question. Good night.

1267
01:14:52,345 --> 01:15:13,304
Thank you. Thank you very much. Next question

1268
01:15:13,864 --> 01:15:18,905
for the committee is figuring out a schedule

1269
01:15:18,905 --> 01:15:27,640
of upcoming meetings. I don't believe the, the

1270
01:15:27,640 --> 01:15:29,800
estimate is going come back around the October

1271
01:15:29,800 --> 01:15:34,840
18. And I'm certainly happy to meet as

1272
01:15:34,840 --> 01:15:37,535
often as folks want, but I don't know

1273
01:15:37,535 --> 01:15:38,815
as we'll have a whole lot of new

1274
01:15:38,815 --> 01:15:42,655
information to talk about before then. So I'm

1275
01:15:42,655 --> 01:15:46,895
kind of looking towards the October for our

1276
01:15:46,895 --> 01:15:54,830
next meeting. And I guess the other question

1277
01:15:54,830 --> 01:15:59,230
is, is there any particular meeting night that's

1278
01:15:59,230 --> 01:16:02,030
better or worse for folks? Well, the first

1279
01:16:02,030 --> 01:16:03,485
question I would have is do we know

1280
01:16:03,485 --> 01:16:05,645
that the eighteenth is the date that the

1281
01:16:05,645 --> 01:16:07,085
estimates come back or is that just an

1282
01:16:07,085 --> 01:16:10,364
approximation? It's an approximation that he had commented

1283
01:16:10,364 --> 01:16:12,445
two to three weeks. So that's a two

1284
01:16:12,445 --> 01:16:20,989
week projection. Have to come back. Yeah yeah

1285
01:16:20,989 --> 01:16:23,230
it could be an early November yeah early

1286
01:16:23,230 --> 01:16:30,909
November ish. The third Thursdays tend to be

1287
01:16:31,230 --> 01:16:37,005
open for me. Would the would folks be

1288
01:16:37,005 --> 01:16:47,565
interested for a meeting on November 7. Yes.

1289
01:16:49,340 --> 01:16:53,260
Why don't we tentatively aim for November 7

1290
01:16:53,260 --> 01:16:58,940
for our next meeting and then I'll work

1291
01:17:00,460 --> 01:17:03,905
out a let's see why don't we schedule

1292
01:17:03,905 --> 01:17:06,145
one more after that and Dean just to

1293
01:17:06,145 --> 01:17:08,625
confirm these would be evening meetings 7PM evening

1294
01:17:08,625 --> 01:17:11,185
meetings same setup we can do yeah okay

1295
01:17:11,185 --> 01:17:15,265
and I think you know we could probably

1296
01:17:16,545 --> 01:17:21,170
if Room 9 is available, that would be

1297
01:17:21,170 --> 01:17:24,850
good. Well, this room, I mean Yeah. We

1298
01:17:24,850 --> 01:17:27,090
we may my my recommendation would be to

1299
01:17:27,090 --> 01:17:29,170
stay in here so we can continue holding

1300
01:17:29,170 --> 01:17:31,410
Zoom in a bigger public audience because if

1301
01:17:31,410 --> 01:17:35,465
we do receive any financial estimates back we're

1302
01:17:35,465 --> 01:17:36,665
gonna have a little bit of a crack.

1303
01:17:36,665 --> 01:17:38,425
I think people will be here. Yeah. Which

1304
01:17:38,505 --> 01:17:40,265
is a great thing. Yep. And hopefully more

1305
01:17:40,265 --> 01:17:44,105
people show up every meeting. We'll we'll plan

1306
01:17:44,105 --> 01:17:47,065
on November 7 here in this room and

1307
01:17:47,065 --> 01:17:55,880
then we wanna put another one in at

1308
01:17:55,880 --> 01:18:01,480
the November in case we in case we

1309
01:18:01,480 --> 01:18:04,040
get in let's see I was gonna say

1310
01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:05,605
the twenty eighth but I think that's Thanksgiving.

1311
01:18:05,605 --> 01:18:09,525
Thanksgiving. It's an interesting way to celebrate but.

1312
01:18:09,525 --> 01:18:12,084
Yeah. Not the way I want to celebrate.

1313
01:18:12,324 --> 01:18:15,844
How about the fifth? The fifth, I know,

1314
01:18:15,844 --> 01:18:17,670
I'm not going to be available but I

1315
01:18:17,670 --> 01:18:22,390
could certainly. What are the things from the

1316
01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:31,534
timeline after. I'd be happy to let someone

1317
01:18:31,534 --> 01:18:34,094
else. We can also wait until the October

1318
01:18:34,094 --> 01:18:36,335
meeting and make a. Yeah. Meeting at that

1319
01:18:36,335 --> 01:18:37,855
point. Yeah, let me do that and see

1320
01:18:37,855 --> 01:18:39,695
what. Yeah, I'm just bringing back up that

1321
01:18:39,695 --> 01:18:43,050
time on that to discuss. Okay. So, November

1322
01:18:43,050 --> 01:18:48,730
7, we'll meet here. And thank you very

1323
01:18:48,730 --> 01:18:52,489
much and we need one more motion. I'll

1324
01:18:52,489 --> 01:18:56,090
move to adjourn. I'll second. Okay, move in

1325
01:18:56,090 --> 01:18:58,170
second to adjourn. All in favor, say aye.

1326
01:18:58,275 --> 01:19:02,114
Aye. Opposed? Substentions? Thank you.