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Well, good morning all. I would like to call this meeting to order and welcome everyone. I hope everyone enjoyed their long weekend. Welcome to all members of council and to staff that will provide us facts and information so we can make decisions in the best interest of the corporation of ACW and all of our residents, permanent and seasonal. Also welcome to all members of the public that are here this morning to each and every one and also the media that may be joining us.

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Meetings of Council are live streamed on the Township's official website in accordance with the live streaming and virtual participation of meetings policy.

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Do any members of council have a generic interest or general nature thereof to indicate at this time of any agenda item that we have today.

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very none, I thank you for that.

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Thank you.

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Is there a general niche on the resident of Colburn and I'd like to speak to nine one.

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The property standards by law agricultural zone exemption.

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I don't believe that this has anything to do with agriculture.

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Our agricultural community is honored by the tremendous land we have to tremendous people we have working in this community.

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But I do believe that the exemption is used by people who are non-agriculturalist at times so that they can use to use is that are not agricultural and purpose or do things that are not good for the community as a whole.

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I'm going to say a couple of examples and other municipalities are other areas in the world where this has happened.

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And I think it's incumbent on this council to have control of what's happening in the community.

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That's your job, that's either the husbandry people that are supposed to look after this community.

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The first one I'm going to talk about was about two years ago was November 2023 in Caledin, where there was a gunfight.

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And there was one person killed two people were injured.

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When the OPP did their investigation, it was at an illegal trucking site.

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And at that time they found all kinds of different things in the site itself.

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Everything from stored vehicles that were stolen to waste that was stored there illegally and should not have happened.

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Caledin itself, I've got the article on the clear afterwards, Caledin itself has 300 sites across the town of Caledin.

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It's called a town, but it's like our municipality.

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And they have 300 sites that they're concerned about where they say they're illegal trucking sites, but they're illegal use sites.

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There's been everything from toxic waste buried, asphalt, concrete buried without any permissions from the township.

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They have a buy-law, an illegal dumping, and have stated in Caledin, Ontario, illegal dumping is concerned with both municipal and provincial laws prohibiting unauthorized waste disposal.

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But if we have an exemption of agricultural properties, how do you know? How do you know what the use is?

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And so, in their case, they have an article. And again, you can find this online. I would be given to the clerk addressing illegal trucking.

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And there they're citing everything from the storage of stolen goods to toxic waste.

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I have an article that the Michigan State had done in regarding the poisoning for profit, the mafia and toxic waste in America.

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Do you know that the most lucrative thing that the mafia does is store and get rid of toxic waste?

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It's not prostitution, it's not gambling, it's not selling guns, it's not drugs, they get rid of more toxic waste than any other of their profitable items.

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It's inherent there. I'd also like to cite mid-Cath townships, Stratford, Stratthrow area, where they've had problems with an agricultural business, setting one of their farms up to store waste from the cities, human waste, piles and piles and piles of human waste.

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And there's another article here with CTV fellow, I know this fellow very well. He's a farmer, a cattle farmer in the area, and they're fighting it.

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You know, went to the OMB and they allowed this operation to happen. But they've got piles that are bigger than your silo piles. They've got piles of toxic human waste that's there.

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The problem is, it's used as a fertilizer, wonderful. I'm on a dronomist at one point in my life. I'm a realtor now, and you can use it as waste, but if you put too much of it on, it will damage the soil, and it will contaminate possibly water.

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In this case they're putting it on one farm, putting it on other farm, selling it to other people to put it on their farm.

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And that may be fine as you use for a fertilizer, but what's it doing to that land? And the local neighbors are trying to stop that from happening.

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Unfortunately, the tribe's funeral said, it's okay, you can do this.

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As stewards of our land, you need to protect it. You need to make sure that illegal uses are not happening, and if you don't have this bylaw opened up, you won't be able to do that.

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I support you as whatever decision you make, but I think this is an opportune time to make sure that those areas that are doing things that are wrong are known, and are sometimes controlled or licensed or corrected.

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We're not talking about people who run a machine shop, or that may have other reasonable business. We're talking about people who are doing illegal things, and they're not farmers.

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The farmers and wonderful people, and deserve to be protected. Thank you for the time, and I look forward to your decision.

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Thank you very much. Thank you very much for your comments, and I should have said that they would set that the timeframe is five minutes for any comments.

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And at four minutes, 30 seconds, the timer will go up just to indicate there's 30 seconds left. So welcome, and we look forward to your first last name and your agenda, please.

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Good morning, Mayor, council and staff. My name is Karen Demerling. My husband and I on a property at 8272500 Road.

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I'd like to speak to regarding agenda item 9.1 property standards bylaw agricultural zone exemption. I'd like to support the recommendation to remove the agricultural exemption from part five of the property standards bylaw.

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By ensuring all properties required to maintain a similar level of property standards, the bylaws to investigate and enforce complaints and infractions are easier to navigate.

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Perhaps there are minimal reporting recorded for complaints on agricultural zone properties as there's no standards to enforce.

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Follow up in recording or a mood point if there's nothing to enforce with.

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Having a uniform property standards bylaw for all zoning would give the bylaw enforcement department the ease of not trying to determine zoning and minimize discussions with regards to infractions of the bylaw.

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More and more agricultural properties are being purchased, not with the intent to farm, but the intent to have a large property.

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Outsource cropping of a few fields to gain agricultural tax reduction and using the remaining acreage to operate a home business for recreational use and storage.

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Having a property standard bylaw that encompasses all zoning and as for as feel cobb and well-nosh will help to control the misuse of the zoning in the circumstance.

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As someone who grew up in a farm, I'm well aware that farms need a lot of space for stuff.

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I seldom see farms and other agricultural properties that do not show pride of ownership unless there's estimating circumstances or the farm is not owner occupied by having the bylaw in place the standards can be encouraged and enforced easier.

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Esthetically and environmentally having part five of the property standards bylaw enforceable on agricultural zone properties will be a benefit to ECW residents and guests.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much for your comments.

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Is there anyone else from the public that would like to make any comments at this time as far as any agenda item.

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Hi, I'm Lori McKimlang and I'm at 85211 McKenzie Camp Road.

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I'm here with I'm the president of the Cottage Association at.

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Can tell beach.

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I don't have a prepared speech, but I was sent by someone else by my by our Cottage Association, but we are here for us to support the bylaw of property standards.

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Thank you for that.

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Is there anyone else who would like to make any comments at this time regarding any agenda item from the public?

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Seeing none, I thank you very much for your comments.

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We'll now move on to five under delegations and public meetings, and I would like to welcome representative from the hundreds beats residential community to address council at this time.

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Please indicate your first last name for council.

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And you have up to 10 minutes, sir, and it will the timer again will go off at nine minutes 30 seconds.

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Thank you.

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I'm just starting a broadcast, Mr. Mayor.

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You don't have to call me, sir.

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Magic touch.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for letting us come and address you today.

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My name is George Dark.

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I have been a resident in the summertime of ACW for about 25 years at 82717 Grace Road set down the hill from care.

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And the good looking group of people behind you are all neighbors that under speech.

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Some of whom have been there for over 60 years.

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I'll let you decide which one have been there for 60 years.

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Some actually longer.

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Some of you know that we have a very long standing issue with the access to our properties.

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We have a community which is on the lake.

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We have one road that goes to it.

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And, you know, one of the reasons that all of us who are from many places want to own property in ACW is because of the pattern that it exists on the land.

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It's a beautiful farming community.

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This is one of the things we really like.

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It has a nested set of hamlets inside that, which are equally wonderful.

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And then a very unique set of communities that trace the shoreline

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that actually aren't connected to each other.

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They are all independent.

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They have like an umbilical cord that goes back to highway 21.

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And, you know, the effect of that is interesting because on the land side, there's redundancy.

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It's under a diagonal grid.

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If you can't go one way and go another way.

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If you want to go around, you can go around.

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The shoreline is totally different.

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The roads come down from highway 21 to the communities.

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And the communities are not connected to each other.

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So it is like a series of cul-de-fact.

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I guess it's part of the joy of them.

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But it's also one of the things that should access become interrupted or interrupted for a protected period of time.

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It does become highly problematic.

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And, of course, on the other side, we can't get there because we have this big body water.

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So, here's our community.

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They're all very similar.

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You can see the yellow line is the umbilical between 21 and the community.

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When they get to essentially the lake bank, they morph into really odd,

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idiosyncrack road systems that, you know, people 50, 60 years ago carved into the lake bank.

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Most of the roads from 21 go through farmers fields.

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So this is ours.

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This is the condition of our road, as it stands out, which is privately owned.

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That's what it looks like, of course, when it hits the lake bank.

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The farming stops.

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The lake bank vegetation takes over.

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There's a lot of great change.

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It's really similar.

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Here in San Frode is very typical as well.

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This one's paved.

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Runs through the farms goes back.

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It becomes a set of private roads when it actually gets to the lake bank.

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Or maple, cedar, grow up road.

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Almost identical.

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A melical, a highway 21 going into a community.

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The infrastructure that's required to feed these communities is deadly simple.

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You can't get more simple than that.

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It's a right of way.

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Two Virges and gravel.

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I listen to one of your council meetings where Thomas was explaining about gravel on the road.

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It was absolutely fascinating.

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It wasn't fascinating.

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It was fascinating.

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Talking about the percentage of silt in the gravel, we don't have any gravel.

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We just have silt.

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That's the result of having absolutely no maintenance done on our road for about six years

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because it is prohibited.

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We also share the road with a very large industrial complex.

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It has an agricultural zoning, which is modified.

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I don't know if I...

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So there are no property standards applied to it. It's allowed to be whatever it wants to be. This is a picture that probably isn't completely accurate, but you could see from the top that our road has to feed through that.

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And on many occasions, the operation is both on the road and both sides of the road simultaneously requiring us to drive through and around in order to get to our properties.

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So for a good 30 years, our late to highway 21, unlike the others that are public, have become inappropriate. It's out of a line with the use and the function.

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There was a draft plan of subdivision done in 1954. Essentially, because the farmer was selling the lots that needed a way for people to get to them.

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So the draft plan was created to allow us to get to our lots.

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It was never the intention that that road system would be restricted, stop from being maintained or blocked in our fresh to get to our properties.

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That would make it a sense. The road system was created to let us get there.

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We're here today as a group because this is having the effect of destabilizing our community, our security, financially and functionally.

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We are at a point now where we're really at the last part of what we could possibly think of to do.

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We've given you a written brief. I know you're not going to make a decision today, but we have a brief. We've given you a further consideration.

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It's based around 17 themes and 25 explicit reasons with a basis for an exploration.

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I'm not going to go through the morning detail because they're in the brief and I'll let you read those.

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But life safety and security is a real issue.

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If there's a defined time for access down the road for life safety, we won't meet it because you can't drive down our road on most times.

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More than 5 or 10 miles an hour.

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That becomes a real difficulty because there are people living in our community who do require access to those facilities. They're not well.

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And they have to have those facilities.

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The road from time to time is blocked.

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The bigger problem is that service vehicles to service our community will no longer come down the road.

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Service our septic systems, contractors, meals on wheels, which one of the clients requires will no longer come down the road.

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This is an incredibly destabilizing effect.

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As I said, the original intention of the access road was to provide access to the lots that the farmer sold at the time down on the shoreline.

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This this leaving it in private hands.

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We would consider fundamentally a mistake in 1954. You wouldn't allow today.

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It was a mistake to do with them.

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And it has allowed essentially one owner to stipulate how the access is used to 30 in excess of 30 tax paying properties.

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And that's just not a system that can be continued.

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The right of way was originally for a farm and recreational properties.

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Today it's used by large tractor trailers, trucks heavy machinery.

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Maintenance is not allowed.

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Thomas, it isn't that we're not doing maintenance or we're doing it improperly.

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It is disallowed by the owner.

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And for the last six years there have been no maintenance applied to that road.

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This isn't the same as other communities along the shoreline, which have a regular pattern as capital is available to bring them up to a standard to get to the properties.

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So, primarily owned access roads to communities don't match your policy today.

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They haven't for years.

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If you look at your official plan, your zoning by law, any law is required to be on a public road.

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You can't make a new one.

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Unless you have a public road.

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And the reason for that is completely obvious, it avoids the entire situation we've been living through for the past 30 years.

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Or as some people here in the crowd would say longer than 30 years.

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There are future development parcels in the official plan, which we fully support.

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To have additional people join the community.

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You have to have a public road in order to gain those lots in the zoning for it.

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You have had a long standing policy essentially prohibiting the kind of access system that we have going to our properties.

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So, you know, we've also wondered if Margaret Road is a common situation being here.

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We're coming in front of you and saying, here's not one problem, but 15 problems.

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And I think we've discovered it's an anomaly.

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The application of policy required public roads for many new subdivisions, but also even back when ours was created, they were public.

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They were not private.

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And so, you know, there's the list that are public.

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There's the app, which comes from your documentation.

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We're almost the only one.

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Sorry, not me this time.

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We're almost the only one that is in this situation that isn't a kind of special condition where someone owns all of the land.

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And so, we don't think it's a anomaly that we don't think it's a common situation.

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It's an anomaly.

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In fact, we think it's an error.

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And it's time to fix that error.

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Our resident issue can be just becoming unstable.

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People are choosing not to come.

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People are trying to sell their properties to get out.

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Because they can't deal with it anymore.

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And this is doing an interesting thing.

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I apologize that your time has expired now.

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I'm just going to ask council.

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With council's permission, we can extend the time.

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Specifically, if we would like to hear any more, or it's concluded, what is the will of council?

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Council member, please.

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I'd like it to continue.

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Maybe not for another 10 minutes.

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You're going to grant job minutes.

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Yeah.

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Do I need to make a motion?

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No, just maybe up to five minutes.

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Sure.

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Is that okay?

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Is council in support of this?

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And I would ask for sure of hands.

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Okay, you have up to five minutes.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I appreciate it.

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Florence warned me.

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I'm a man of too many words.

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You were nice about it.

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And this is usually at my time, so stop.

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It has a negative effect on our land values.

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Our prices are going down.

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Our market ability is very hard.

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You can't get agents to list our properties when the new rules for disclosure come forward.

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And you explain the whole situation with access.

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The buyer's walk away.

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It's a tainted access system.

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At impact, it's having an impact of dropping the property values, which you'll see in your taxation.

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Because our values on like others along the shoreline are going down.

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The appropriate role of public infrastructure and community type in the official plan.

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You know, you have a spectrum of agriculture, villages, and communities along the shoreline.

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To protect the communities along the shoreline, they have to be connected to highway 21 with public infrastructure.

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If they aren't, they'll go through the spiral of failure that we're having in our longstanding community.

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Honestly, everything's failed.

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Since 1993, we've been attempting to perfect the situation.

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We've not gotten up the hill one inch.

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And so all situations to try and perfect this have failed were kind of at our last effort.

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And so we would request that council not directly make a decision for this because we understand it's not an easy decision to make.

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But if you could instruct staff to begin a process to scope and then undertake the exploration in 2025 to understand what it would mean.

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We would really appreciate it.

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We have one outstanding concern and that is that we've had two fires in the community that have totally destroyed buildings to the point that they're gone.

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We've had one property completely vandalized to the point that it's unoccupiable.

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And we have people who have life safety needs and we need to have the road established and designate it as a fire route and a life safety route.

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And be maintained in a situation at the point up to we get exploration that can allow us to live there safely.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Now this is not a debate. However, I will open it up to council.

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If you have any questions or comments for clarification, please.

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Council of Milton bird first.

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I don't have any comments beyond great pictures. Great presentation.

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My question is can we have a staff report come back on this and I'm going to assume it may well need to be in camera.

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Okay. Thank you.

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Absolutely. We can't if that is the will of council.

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And I will ask for sure of hands if council is in support of directing staff for staff report on this.

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And that is the will of council. Thank you.

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Any further comments from council?

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If not, thank you very much for your presentation to us today.

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We'll now move on to a treasury and the payment of the current accounts and I will entertain a mover and a seconder

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to authorize the payment of the May 25, 2025 accounts as presented.

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And that is Councillor Forster and Milton bird. Are there any questions on these accounts?

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Councillor Deputy Mayor of Amsterdam, please.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor. On page three.

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Council survey equipment.

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Is that for us or is that for the people who are doing this?

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Thank you for the question and I will defer to staff.

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CAO, do you have a comment this?

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Sorry Bill, will this the vendor's name?

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Yes. Council survey equipment.

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Thank you.

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It's on page three.

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Okay, yes. That's for the survey of a property that we have in our litigation.

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No, no, no, no.

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Okay, go ahead, Tom. I will defer to our CBO, please join.

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The council survey equipment is GPS that is used for the council program as well.

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This is this, we own this and it's not for the people who are doing it for us.

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That's about what's my question more or less.

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Okay, thank you very much.

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Thank you. Any further questions or comments?

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If not, we have a motion moved and seconded. All in favor of the motion.

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And that is carried. Thank you.

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Six two is the payment of the previous months accounts.

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And I would entertain a mover and a seconder for this, please.

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Councillor Milton bird, Deputy Mayor of Amsterdam, that Ashfield, Colburn, Walvin,

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and Ash Council hereby approves the payment of the April 2025 accounts in the amount of

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923,194 dollars and 55 cents. Do we have any questions on any of these numbers?

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If not all in favor of the motion.

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And again, that is carried. Thank you.

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Six three is the summary revenue slash expenditure reports for the count to chip the

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luck-none district medical center, luck-none district recreation from January to April 2025,

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but entertain a mover and a seconder for these, please.

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Councillor Hickey and Councillor Milton bird, any questions on these numbers?

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If not all in favor of the motion.

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And then again, it's carried. Thank you.

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Six four is the community grants policy amendment.

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It is coming back to Council for further consideration.

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Do we have any questions or comments on this?

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And I will go first to Councillor Milton bird, please.

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Yeah, I would say. Excuse me. It appears to echo exactly what we said.

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So I'm happy to move it.

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The other comment I would make is, since we do, this is a work in progress.

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I'm wondering if we could just have it come forward next year organically, rather than us going,

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oh, we didn't get it right.

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If staff notices or whatever, say, you know, maybe we need to do something a little different

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until we're sure we have it right, because we've looked at it three years in the

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background and said, that's not quite right.

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So those are my comments, but I'm happy with, we've caught it so far.

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Okay, so your sentiment is that you'd like it to come forward next year.

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Again, just for review if there's any adjustments.

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Any other questions or comments?

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Councillor Hickey, please.

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Thank you.

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Clarification for staff.

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We've dropped the maximum from 5,000 to 2,500 request, but then they can also ask for 2,000 in-kind

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services.

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So, could one organization still get both the in-kind plus the donation to equal 4,500,

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or are they restricted to either or in the request?

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Thank you for the question.

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And I will defer to staff for clarification on that please, if you would.

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Treasure McNus.

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I think the way that the policy is written is that 2,500 is for direct financial contribution,

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which could be in addition to 2,000 dollars in-kind.

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That's my interpretation, but again, if it is the will of council to be otherwise,

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we can add a note or clarification on that.

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Okay.

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Councillor Hickey, please.

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Thank you for that.

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Sorry.

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That's how I read it.

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I just, so that would equal 40 up to 4,500 or 4 an organization that asked for it, essentially, right?

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So I was just clarifying that.

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That was the, it was the way it was supposed to be read.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for that, Councillor Miller.

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Please.

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Yeah, and I agree that's how it should be written.

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And I don't, I don't envision that we're going to give them 2,500 plus 2,000.

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I envision we'll give them 2,500 plus dump fees or something like that, right?

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Like, and I think that's how it should be interpreted.

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So thank you.

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Thank you for that.

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Any further questions or comments on this?

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So the sentiment is directing staff to bring that back next year for review.

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If there's consideration for that, and I'm going to ask for a show of hands.

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If we were in support of this, and we will consider it off.

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We have nothing under planning today under building department. The CBOs report is for information purposes. Do we have any questions or comments on this report? Very similar last year.

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E2 is the community onsite inspection program, missed inspections. We do have, we will deal with this. Is there any questions or comments on this? It is the recommendation for option A.

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Do council have any questions or comments on this? And I will go first to Councillor Snowblendley's.

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Yes, thank you.

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I had some time to review this and look at this and I think that she's building this official for bringing this sunflower word and the court for sort of filling that loophole that we discovered on the, on the penalty part of that bylaw.

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I think that option A in my personal opinion feels a little bit too lenient.

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I feel that it's a bit of a multi-step and I'm not sure entirely, although I have no way of sort of verifying that that it's as cost effective as what the option A allows or shows it to be.

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I feel option B is quite strict but it can be modified and maybe we can modify the timeline, modify the annual fee and make it more palatable to our residents across the township.

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I feel that option A being too lenient leaves a bit of a crack in the door and I'd rather when I look at bylaws, I'd rather than particularly in this instance.

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I'd rather that they'd be a little bit more on the strict side with the ability of staff to, you know, work with residents as opposed to having it lenient and then trying to keep

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and forcing it with layers of layers of different ways of people being able to get around it.

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I think that we've had a soft opening on the septic inspection and as we've discussed it short-term rentals, we appreciate a soft opening.

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It kind of gives our residents a chance to sort of buy in everybody gets a chance to get their toes wet.

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And I think we've had a good chance for the soft opening, but I think what we found with the soft opening was there was a fairly big loophole when it comes to the penalty part of not complying with the septic inspection program.

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In instituting this septic inspection program was a long process.

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It required a lot of consultation. It wasn't cheap to implement it.

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And I think that staying on the strict side will have a greater cost recovery than being on the lenient side.

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I'm hope if we do have a, if council decides to do a more strict option that we leave it with staff under exceptional circumstances where warranted to work with residents under exceptional circumstances and it's up to staff to decide when those exceptional circumstances occur.

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I guess I would like to see personally something between A and B, something that looks like instead of 90 days go to 30 days or 40 days instead of an annual annual fee for properties, maybe it's a buy annual fee.

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Anyway, that's my, that's my feeling on it. I know that there's a property in, in mind that has, that kind of highlighted where this loophole existed.

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And that's where I'm coming from that with this. I don't say that this happens all the time, but I think as long as people, you know, respect the buy lot there won't be any problem.

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But it's people that will continue to take advantage of council and I think with the delegation that came forward just just a few moments ago we can see where a council maybe was a little too lenient or didn't come down hard enough and after a few years, 30 years I guess it's more than to something that has become.

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Almost a hurry, her, her currently in task to fix now and I wouldn't want to be a counselor that contributed to having a buy lot that ends up getting abused and misused somewhere down the line, but that's my feelings. I'd be open to hearing other people's opinion on this.

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Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Councilor Snowman before I go to to staff on this. Do you have a sentiment as far as you you commented about modifying the time frame in the amount do you have a sentiment on what you would like to see.

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Well, it's a start with I guess for discussion. I would like to see that unpaid invoices should let me say here. We should change it from a 90 days to a 30 days.

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I'm trying to read my own writing on here.

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I think that if a missed or canceled inspection fee, it says in here to revise the title of the fee to missed or canceled inspection fee to include appointments canceled without rescheduling.

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There should be a fee if that rescheduling appointment now gets canceled or rescheduled. So every time there's a rescheduling and it doesn't occur, another fee should be added on that.

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The $1,200 annual fee for properties that do not complete an inspection within the calendar year. I think it should be.

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We can still keep at that $1,200, but $600 at six months and other $600 at another six months so it accumulates. So it hopefully gets people to act fast within the six months rather than the full year.

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Okay, thank you for that. I'm going to go to our clerk at this point in time. Please.

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So just we've spent joy and I spend a bit of time working at this together.

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So the problem that we have with doing something less than an annual is that the inspection programs themselves only happen between June and September.

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So if we're trying to find the balance, you know, if you're scheduled to be in September and you ignore the request, you know, within, you know, within a certain timeframe it becomes difficult to, again, I think we need to highlight that this is a

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tool in the enforcement box that when things become instantiating and difficult to manage that we have the tool available to issue.

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So if it becomes very clear that this is a constant repeat that there is that fee fine in there if need be.

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So I think setting some some tighter parameters around the timing of it. I think it can be a little bit problematic in terms of the practicality of it on the logistics on the boots in the ground.

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And the application of it.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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No, yeah.

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Okay, and I actually do you have a follow up comment.

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Comments.

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I would like to hear up my colleagues might have to say on this.

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Okay, perfect. Thank you.

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And actually, I will make a comment that I, I share your sentiment that we don't have many that are a problem over the ones that I need to get with.

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So I'm going to go to now to councilmember.

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Yeah. First of all.

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I don't know what that is this morning.

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Great. Great job councilor snoblin of putting in towards far more eloquently than I was uneasy with this but I was unclear why.

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And.

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Most of your comments I 100% agree with.

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I think that we've gone in with the soft sell.

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We are trying to get people to comply the people who are not going to comply are probably the ones who aren't planning on complying.

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So I would in my mind.

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Option A is where we would maybe want the bylaw to end up with.

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And option B is the structure we want to make people.

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Take the bylaw seriously.

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I'm less interested in the nuts and bolts of days or.

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Cost recovery or because with any new program.

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I mean let's let's talk about the dump in the in the let's not but.

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Something that's supposed to be revenue neutral often takes a while to get there and I'm far less interested in cost recovery right now than I am with compliance.

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And I think that.

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The no you need to take this seriously is a good approach.

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And once we've gone through the township and everyone has been told you need to take this seriously then maybe back off and as opposed to.

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So I'm open to let's say we do with which is almost draconian, but I'm okay with that in the sense that the $1,200 annual fee.

417
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:43,000
I'm quite happy with an appeal process whether you say to the staff makes it or I mean if there was genuinely a I didn't get it or something really happened in my personal life I wasn't able to do this.

418
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:54,000
But there is a structure to bring it down or make it disappear completely if the reason the meeting was missed was genuine or or something like things happen life happens.

419
00:40:54,000 --> 00:41:07,000
If it's because they're just not answering and they're not continuing to answer then that's another thing so I personally would like option be I'm happy with however staff thinks that that's the best way to deliver it.

420
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:36,000
I think in the long run run it's probably too strict but for the next three years until everybody gets their first notice and realizes no you have to pay attention or there are consequences that that is the better route to go and the tools for enforcement like Florence I think you explained it very well and I agree with that that's why I'm not really to concern about how you're going to do it I think the intention should be that we make them take it seriously so repeat offenders are treated.

421
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:42,000
that way and then once everybody has has a full understanding of the program which is not there yet.

422
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:49,000
We put a more okay now going forward this is how we're going to do it those are my comments.

423
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,000
Thank you for that.

424
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:53,000
Deputy Mayor of Aniston please.

425
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:55,000
Thank you Mr. Mayor.

426
00:41:55,000 --> 00:42:05,000
Yeah I agree there should be definitely a $1200 set because people will if you could just we go back to the gravel like if you're only going to pay $200 a year.

427
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:34,000
I'm why while I fix it I just pay the $200 is cheaper than fixing it but I'm hoping and I'm not hoping I want to see it happen is that after September say first of October we revisit this and look at it really seriously and that way we can come down some really hard fast figures so I'm asking the staff to bring this back in the first meeting of October if that's okay with everybody thank you.

428
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,000
Thank you for that.

429
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:51,000
I'm going to make a comment before I go to staff and that's the fact I concur with option B as I indicated we don't have many that are that would fall under this category however there needs to be something done with those that do.

430
00:42:51,000 --> 00:43:07,000
Do I do have any comments I know on on option B if council would decide to go with that and he concerns from an application standpoint please.

431
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:25,000
So as I said that in the report it is a punitive way of looking at it going with the $1200 charge at if they miss their inspection for the entire year and do not communicate.

432
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,000
And it is.

433
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:31,000
Very.

434
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,000
Oh I think that's.

435
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:43,000
It's a lot of money for anyone who has missed it by mistake.

436
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:53,000
$200 is more reasonable for most of our residents the ones who will not listen I don't know if $1,200 will even matter.

437
00:43:54,000 --> 00:44:11,000
Okay thank you for that and I'm going to ask a secondary question there's a sentiment that this come back to council for consider reconsideration of point and time what is the time frame that that you would suggest that from your knowledge of the application that this would come back to council for reconsideration.

438
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:21,000
When what would when would you have some information you know the would enable us to to make a further consideration.

439
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:27,000
Typically statistical numbers will be available closer to December than in October.

440
00:44:27,000 --> 00:44:30,000
Yeah yeah okay thank you for that.

441
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:33,000
Part do you have a comment please this.

442
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:41,000
Just a point of clarification on the provincial offenses act the line item in the by law ensures that the entire by law is enforceable under the law.

443
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:48,000
So it ensures that if there is even despite the missed inspection fee that is included in the consolidated fee by law.

444
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:57,000
If there's any other element inside that by law that is determined by an enforcement officer to be a non compliance we can essentially make application to court.

445
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,000
So that's that is the purpose of that line item in there.

446
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:20,000
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I support option A. I think it's got everything in there that needs to be the days, the money, the process of how to go about it. As far as the $1,200 fee, if someone has their heels dug in and they're not going to allow it, they're not going to allow it.

447
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:29,000
And if the $1,200 gets applied, I think it's going to be appealed in the next step after that. So I don't think it's going to be an easy process for the time and the money that's going to take.

448
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:34,000
So I think option A has everything in it that needs to be, and I'll be supporting that. Thank you.

449
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:42,000
Okay. Thank you for that. Any further questions or comments from Council? Council or Milton Brook, please?

450
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:53,000
Yeah, based on Evans actually everyone's, but while I actually think item B is the better way to go, but that's me.

451
00:45:53,000 --> 00:46:11,000
I'd be willing to go along with item A or what is it, not option A, just because we, so we have something in place right now and then with the staff report in December, whatever we can look at it more individualized with statistics and see if we do need to be more.

452
00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:15,000
More.

453
00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:20,000
Keep saying your calling and it's not your calling, but it's not good either more punitive, I guess.

454
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:29,000
I'd be, I'd be willing to spell it option A with the understanding that everything comes back when joy has it ready.

455
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:34,000
Okay. Councilor Snowblend, please.

456
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:47,000
I'm still more in favor of a consolidated option A and option B. However, I could live with option A if it was amended from 90 days to 30 days.

457
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:58,000
And if the second bullet property owners will be contacted by annually, meaning twice a year until their inspection is completed.

458
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:04,000
I'd rather than annually, and I know as the clerk pointed out that there's because of the time, excuse me.

459
00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:23,000
The timeline of what was in the counterparts June to June to September, but I think it would be fairly easy still to do that even even if it doesn't fall within the timeline of the actual inspections.

460
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:27,000
And yeah, I'll leave it at that.

461
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,000
Okay, thank you very much. Clerk, do you have a comment, please?

462
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:36,000
Just speaking to the 90 day item, I believe that's an account.

463
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,000
You'll have to, I'll get more to speak to that. I think I've rang a bell here.

464
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:46,000
Okay, so that's with respect if they don't pay the invoice, it'll be added to taxes, so that'd be similar with that if everything.

465
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:53,000
So, the 90 days isn't when you do it, it's just added to taxes if they don't pay the invoice.

466
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,000
Okay, please.

467
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:04,000
So just to clarify, any invoice that goes out from the township, regardless if it's the co-sip program, if it's unpaid within 90 days, it gets put to taxes.

468
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:08,000
So that is, that's just a internal system.

469
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:17,000
So if the invoice isn't paid, what you're asking for is that if the invoice isn't paid in 30 days, that it gets put to taxes, and I'm not sure if that can happen.

470
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:20,000
I'm not, I'm not first in that.

471
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,000
Does that make sense?

472
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:28,000
That's what I'm asking is that you don't let go unpaid for 90 days.

473
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:34,000
I was in business if you didn't pay it within 30 days, you got, you know, you got a phone call.

474
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:43,000
So I don't know very many businesses that allow a 90 day window before they even get called, that you're behind on your invoice.

475
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:51,000
So I think 30 days come in, and I think that's the way to tighten it up, whether it goes on the tax still at what point,

476
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:54,000
but you've got to bail now at 30 days.

477
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,000
That's what I'm getting at.

478
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:15,000
And when last point that I forgot, if it's pointing option A, I would, I would live with it as Councilor Miltonberg said to have it come back in October that we can tighten it up, but just to have something for now would be good.

479
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:20,000
Okay, I'm going to defer to our CAO as far as the timeframe, just for clarification, please.

480
00:49:21,000 --> 00:49:30,000
Just want to clarify, the invoice goes out if they don't pay within 30 days, there's interest, and it just will occur until 90 days, and then we'll add it to the tax roll.

481
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:35,000
So they are getting, um, the penalty interest added.

482
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:36,000
Okay.

483
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,000
Um, so, uh, you count there's no benefit.

484
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:44,000
But to follow through on that, that's not with the bullet says, right?

485
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,000
It says, unpaid invoices are transferred to the tax roll after 90 days.

486
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:59,000
There's nothing else that explains that it's past due at 30 days, and then interest accrues, and there's nothing in that bullet that explains that.

487
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,000
Okay, CAO, please.

488
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,000
Okay, good, we can make that change.

489
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:04,000
Okay.

490
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:15,000
So now, in stages, Deputy Mayor, are you okay if this comes back, and I will suggest December when there's statistical information for reconsideration of Council?

491
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,000
Um, yeah, and I look to joy.

492
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:23,000
If that's when all the information is there, um, as long as it comes back, that's my biggest concern is that we look at this.

493
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:27,000
And if we need to be more aggressive at that point in time, then we will be.

494
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:30,000
And if it's flowing very well, then, um, that's great.

495
00:50:30,000 --> 00:50:38,000
So, but I really want it to come back so we can look at it again, and if, if, if Joyce 100% sure December's in months, that's the month.

496
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:39,000
Okay.

497
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:48,000
So the, the sentiment of Council, I will suggest is that to direct staff to bring this back to us in December when we have some statistical information.

498
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:49,000
Councilor Milton.

499
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:56,000
Uh, kind of my sentiment is we go with option A and then bring it back in December.

500
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:01,000
Um, as to the 30 day thing, um, speaking as someone who may or may have not.

501
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:06,000
Miss township payments and they the next day slap on one and a half percent.

502
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:09,000
And I have just set it up electronically so that doesn't happen again.

503
00:51:09,000 --> 00:51:12,000
It's quite a punishment to miss that 30 day mark.

504
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:17,000
And I'd be horrified if it went on my taxes because that would just mean that was a terrible bookkeeper.

505
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:26,000
So I'm okay with that 30 days and if you need to be added within trust because that's kind of understood by people who sometimes, oh concurred or incurred.

506
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,000
That's fine.

507
00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:38,000
I do agree with Anita about whether, whether we say you have to get it inspected in 60s 30 days or within the year or by annual year or whatever.

508
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:49,000
I think they do need to be notified by annually that you just remind or you have missed this has happened and this will happen like communication right.

509
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:56,000
But I and I also agree with Bill that it we'd like it to come back. So my suggestion is we go with option A for now.

510
00:51:56,000 --> 00:52:04,000
And we bring it back in December or whenever joy has all the that a compiled so we can look and see if we made the right decision.

511
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:08,000
Would you like to make that a motion. Councilor Milton.

512
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:10,000
If doesn't need to be a motion.

513
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:15,000
No, I think I think we can just go with the show of hands if we are in support.

514
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:18,000
Oh, absolutely. Councilor Voster please.

515
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:25,000
Thanks Glenn. So that the door knocker you leave has all this information on it or you just have to call her.

516
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:27,000
How does that all go down.

517
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,000
Thank you. Enjoy please.

518
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:34,000
I can get a copy of the door knocker for you proves after the meeting.

519
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:42,000
However, it just says that a missed inspection fee may apply if you don't call in reschedule.

520
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:46,000
Okay. Thank you for that. Councilor Snowblum. Please speaking of the door knocker.

521
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:58,000
I would be incredibly interested to see what the success of the door knocker is from the point of view that we know the worst one in this subject inspection.

522
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:04,000
We know which property that is and I don't think that the owners are there very often.

523
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:12,000
So I question them if it's STRs certain rentals that are possibly being non-compliant.

524
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:16,000
How often is the owner of the property getting the door knocker?

525
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:31,000
Is it more advisable successful to reach out through email, phone, other modes of communication as opposed to a door knocker and or both?

526
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:41,000
And maybe that's something we should think about for option A because a door knocker on a short term rental where the owner is rarely there.

527
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:46,000
I have a feeling the door knocker is going in the recycle bin.

528
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:52,000
Okay. Thank you for the sentiment. Joy. Do you have a comment on that?

529
00:53:52,000 --> 00:54:00,000
In the terms of short term rentals, if they are not being communicative and looking at their door knockers, they can be contacted by mail.

530
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:11,000
Note that most of those people that are not going to pick up their door knocker, do not provide an email or phone number of people at hand.

531
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,000
Okay. Thank you. Councillor Snowblum please.

532
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:27,000
Well, if I think that if we're making suggestions about amendments and so on, then with the door knocker, there should be an additional mode of communication either email, phone,

533
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:33,000
letter that goes with the door knocker automatically.

534
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:45,000
Just to safeguard the door knocker getting knocked off in a wind storm even, you know, for people that are owners that are there.

535
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaking as someone that's done a lot of campaigning over the last couple of years,

536
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:55,000
door knockers do get blown off, removed somehow.

537
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:10,000
Okay. Thank you for that. So the I'm going to ask we have a sentiment of going with option A in this coming back to council for revisit when there's statistical information in December.

538
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:11,000
Councillor Snowblum please.

539
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,000
I thought I understood Councillor Snowblum or Councillor Snowblum.

540
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:22,000
Councillor Snowblum heard to say option A with some of the suggested revisions like changing it from 90 day to 30 day.

541
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:30,000
And for now, and then still having a report from back in December, that was my understanding.

542
00:55:30,000 --> 00:55:33,000
Yeah, I'll ask for clarification and please Councillor Snowblum.

543
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:39,000
So what I think should happen or what you are referring to as option A for now.

544
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:49,000
And if it's necessary to add I don't think it should go 30 to 90 days if it's necessary to add the wording that plus interest will be added to.

545
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:55,000
And I also think that it should be communicated by annually as opposed to annually.

546
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,000
That's what I think should happen.

547
00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:05,000
Well, that's up to I think we've given staff here some additional ways that I would call that operational.

548
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:07,000
I don't think we have to tell them that.

549
00:56:07,000 --> 00:56:09,000
Okay, thank you for that clerk please.

550
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:13,000
Just to clarify what we're hearing is we want to make sure and it's in our interest as well.

551
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:16,000
We want to make sure that everybody knows this is coming.

552
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:19,000
So they're we're going to make sure that they're aware.

553
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:22,000
One way or another be it a registered letter or a letter.

554
00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:30,000
If they're non-communicated, you know, the last thing we want to do is not do do course because that also gives reason not to pay.

555
00:56:30,000 --> 00:56:33,000
Right, like there's there's justification on the other end of it.

556
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:40,000
The task would be to ensure that they understand that there are fines and repercussions to what's happening.

557
00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,000
So that's the understanding of council.

558
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:51,000
Okay, I am going to ask for sure of hands if we are in support of council members comments.

559
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,000
Post.

560
00:56:53,000 --> 00:56:56,000
And that is supported by council. Thank you.

561
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,000
Staff clear.

562
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:06,000
Okay, thank you. We'll move on to administration department and the property standards by law.

563
00:57:06,000 --> 00:57:09,000
And we will seek direction of council on this.

564
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:12,000
We have heard some comments today on this.

565
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:14,000
And I will open it up to council for any comments.

566
00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:17,000
Please and the first will be deputy mayor of council.

567
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,000
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

568
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:23,000
I've always wondered why we had the exemption on agricultural.

569
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,000
Like way back when COVID never had an exemption.

570
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:31,000
So all properties were looked at under the property standards by law.

571
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:35,000
So I'd be more than willing to take that out of there.

572
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:38,000
If that's the will of council. Thank you.

573
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,000
Thank you for that. Councilor Milton word. Please.

574
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:45,000
Well, I'm going to disagree with Bill on this one.

575
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:49,000
Good. Back to normal here, Bill.

576
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:53,000
I think we have we had conversations other times.

577
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:57,000
Like I think the property standards are not allowed to have your old junkie vehicles.

578
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,000
I know currently there are three trucks of the same year in model that are.

579
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,000
Some day going to become one truck hopefully in 2025 or 26.

580
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:11,000
And some of us consider them an I so are but they are behind.

581
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:13,000
My shed and not visible from the road.

582
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:18,000
But by property standards, they're actually probably not allowed.

583
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:21,000
So I think some of that the burning stuff.

584
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:27,000
There's and I haven't looked at it closely because we talked about it many, many times because this comes forward.

585
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:32,000
So I'm going to speak more to the two individuals that came forward to talk about their comments.

586
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:34,000
The first gentleman.

587
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,000
It was really impressive.

588
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:40,000
What he cited, especially when he is.

589
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:42,000
I just wanted to clarify one thing.

590
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:47,000
Michigan State is the top agricultural university in Michigan.

591
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,000
And it's one of the top 10 in the United States.

592
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,000
So when he said Michigan State did this study.

593
00:58:51,000 --> 00:58:55,000
It's because they're an agricultural one and that's.

594
00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:59,000
There was not a direct bank, but I almost went to Michigan State University for agriculture.

595
00:58:59,000 --> 00:59:00,000
So I know that.

596
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:03,000
So that study to me was a significant.

597
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:09,000
And I think what his point was not that there wasn't a need for property standards.

598
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:11,000
It was more there's a.

599
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:16,000
We have to find a mechanism to stop the people using rural properties for illegal.

600
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:20,000
It's like, let's talk about the tire.

601
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,000
Remember that when they burnt tires was a heggersville or something.

602
00:59:23,000 --> 00:59:25,000
That was agriculture, right?

603
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:26,000
So.

604
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,000
That is a separate to me topic.

605
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,000
Then the actual.

606
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:32,000
It's it's.

607
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:33,000
It's.

608
00:59:33,000 --> 00:59:34,000
Cository.

609
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:35,000
It's not.

610
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:36,000
It's collateral.

611
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:37,000
It's linked but it's not.

612
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,000
A reason.

613
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:41,000
The bylaw isn't going to catch that necessarily.

614
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,000
I think.

615
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:44,000
Because we are complaint driven.

616
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:46,000
It's partly.

617
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:51,000
Lots of people know things that are people are breaking bylaws, but they're not reporting it.

618
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:55,000
They're not interested in putting their name on documents, which you need to do, which by the way,

619
00:59:55,000 --> 00:59:58,000
I think are protected by hip-hop, but.

620
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:00,000
The second speaker.

621
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,000
What's talking about decisions that could be made based on what might happen?

622
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:13,000
And I don't tend to make my decisions that way. I think it's good to keep tracking them like we did.

623
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:22,000
But I think two complaints in ACW, which is, you know, the size of Toronto, is not enough to remove the property standards.

624
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:32,000
It sounds more either like one individual or two. Like that's enough. That's not enough data for me to say, okay, this warrant's removing this.

625
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:48,000
I think we should monitor it. I think we should look at how to stop illegal uses like I'm really interested in those cases like maybe in the stuff that you gave the clerk. They have tools that we could build into our by-law.

626
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:57,000
But based on the data that we were given, I don't see any reason to remove the property standards on agriculture. And those are my comments.

627
01:00:57,000 --> 01:00:59,000
Okay, thank you for that.

628
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:07,000
We'll make a comment, and I concur with Deputy Mayor Van Stoney. You've often said everyone should be treated the same in our municipality and I agree with that.

629
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:22,000
And I think we have maybe some instances where individuals are skirting around the situation because they're under the agricultural umbrella.

630
01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:29,000
And I would support treating everyone the same on this.

631
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:37,000
So, any further comments from Council on this and Councilor Milton Burke piece?

632
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:41,000
I'd like to address your treating everyone the same.

633
01:01:41,000 --> 01:01:48,000
I think if you're seriously thinking of removing this, then we need to look at that actual by-law very closely, because I know there's burn bands.

634
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:52,000
I know there's things about a little truck sitting there because we've talked about this before.

635
01:01:52,000 --> 01:02:04,000
If you're going to tell, if you're going to do this without at least taking some public input from the mass of a amount of people who are going to be affected by this, I think that's the mistake.

636
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,000
And what you're talking about is changing a by-law to catch the baddies.

637
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:21,000
And there's a lot of good farmers that need to burn the brush or, you know, we're talking about again, the people who are doing it improperly.

638
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:25,000
And that's the same reason we set up a short-term rental committee.

639
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:35,000
We don't want to come up with something that doesn't punish the people who are doing it correctly, but educates and reforms the people who are doing it incorrectly.

640
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:40,000
And, you know, all or nothing is not the approach on anything.

641
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:46,000
And so I am really against just saying, okay, let's drop it. We don't even know what we're dropping.

642
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:50,000
Based on two complaints we're saying, okay, let's drop the property standards.

643
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:54,000
When was the last time anyone here read all the property standards by-law?

644
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:58,000
I read about the last time we had this conversation when she was a year ago.

645
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:07,000
So, if that's the will of council that we think it should be dropped and it should at least be reviewed before we do that.

646
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:09,000
Okay, thank you for that sentiment.

647
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:22,000
And I would suggest that it is complaint driven and you're citing of two trucks of the same year behind a building.

648
01:03:22,000 --> 01:03:26,000
I'm not convinced that that is the concern of the public.

649
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:34,000
It's more the abuse of the overall agricultural being exempted from it in some instances.

650
01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:36,000
Deputy Mayor, please.

651
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:38,000
Yeah, thank you, Mr. Mayor.

652
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:42,000
I'd be more than willing to bring this back and look at it again because it's very important.

653
01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,000
Everybody has their own property.

654
01:03:45,000 --> 01:03:49,000
And one man's junk is another man's treasure.

655
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:52,000
So, we should look at this.

656
01:03:52,000 --> 01:04:03,000
And again, I know it's billet, you know, billet, but I think it's important because there should be some restrictions on some of the stuff that goes on in the farming community.

657
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:08,000
But not to the point where it stops them from, as you say, having two old trucks behind their shed.

658
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:10,000
That's all fine and dandy.

659
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:14,000
And we don't want somebody that just drives around the country and says, oh, I don't like him.

660
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,000
I'm going to put a report in.

661
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,000
So, we need to refine this.

662
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:22,000
And I would be more than happy to have it come back.

663
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:28,000
And I don't know, maybe if we had to have special meeting on or something, but it is important.

664
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:31,000
So, I think we should look at it again. Thank you.

665
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,000
Thank you for that CAO.

666
01:04:35,000 --> 01:04:36,000
Do you have a comment?

667
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:37,000
Sure.

668
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:38,000
Okay.

669
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,000
All right.

670
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,000
So, what is the sentiment of council?

671
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:47,000
Would you like to come back to a future meeting for consideration?

672
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:49,000
Do you want to deal with it today?

673
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:50,000
What is the sentiment of council?

674
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:55,000
Councillor Hickey and then for Councillor Hickey and then Snowblum please.

675
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,000
Thank you.

676
01:04:56,000 --> 01:04:59,000
I support the comments about jumping into quickly on this.

677
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,000
I think it's important that we review it.

678
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:05,000
And we can't punish some just because of a few bad apples in the group.

679
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:09,000
So, I think it should be looked through thoroughly before we agree on anything.

680
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:10,000
Thank you.

681
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:15,000
Thank you. Councillor Snowblum please.

682
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:17,000
I agree that it should come back too.

683
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,000
But I guess I just, I was looking over the background of it.

684
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:23,000
Find out why is it here in the first place today.

685
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,000
Isn't it here today to discuss?

686
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:30,000
I thought that was the intention today was to discuss it.

687
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:34,000
Now we, so staff have brought it to here to discuss.

688
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,000
And we're saying let's bring it back to discuss.

689
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,000
Is that what we're doing?

690
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:41,000
It kind of sounds like that to me.

691
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,000
Okay.

692
01:05:43,000 --> 01:05:45,000
Thank you for that sentiment.

693
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:46,000
That'd be near please.

694
01:05:46,000 --> 01:05:48,000
Yes, it is here for it to discuss.

695
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:53,000
But it was left that we either taken in or put it in or taken out.

696
01:05:53,000 --> 01:05:55,000
I think we need to refine it.

697
01:05:55,000 --> 01:06:00,000
Is what I'm looking at is so that we can leave it in or take it out.

698
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,000
I guess it wants to council decide.

699
01:06:02,000 --> 01:06:07,000
But I think we need to refine the specification and make it more.

700
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:09,000
I guess I would say user friendly.

701
01:06:09,000 --> 01:06:10,000
Thank you.

702
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,000
Okay.

703
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:13,000
Councillor Snowblum please.

704
01:06:13,000 --> 01:06:17,000
I guess that if it's to be refined, I would be looking to,

705
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:22,000
Are we supposed to give staff direction then as to what refined might look like?

706
01:06:22,000 --> 01:06:27,000
Because if we just say refined it without giving any parameters to that,

707
01:06:27,000 --> 01:06:32,000
I'm not sure that staff is going to be clear as to what we're looking for.

708
01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:34,000
Mark is nodding his head.

709
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:39,000
So I think that was asked of me when I brought it up at the subject inspection.

710
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:43,000
The mayor asked me if I had some suggestions, which kind of caught me off guard.

711
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,000
But I, you know, I'd had some things written down.

712
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:49,000
So we'd had a chance to look at it.

713
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:56,000
I think we should be at least, at the very least, giving staff something to work with.

714
01:06:56,000 --> 01:06:57,000
Okay. Thank you.

715
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:59,000
I'm going to go to.

716
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:01,000
Do you have a comment please?

717
01:07:01,000 --> 01:07:05,000
Just that Councillor Snowblum kind of pulled the thoughts out of my head.

718
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:09,000
With all due respect, you know, it's it's great to say let's bring it back.

719
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:13,000
But you need to give me a good reason why otherwise it's just stalling it.

720
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:18,000
You know, and these folks who are here, they may not be here or different people.

721
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:19,000
It.

722
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:20,000
Yes, I will.

723
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,000
Okay.

724
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,000
Councillor Forster.

725
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:25,000
Did you have a comment to make before I go to Councilman.

726
01:07:25,000 --> 01:07:26,000
But please.

727
01:07:26,000 --> 01:07:27,000
Just quit comments.

728
01:07:27,000 --> 01:07:30,000
So like that picture that was in that presentation.

729
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:31,000
Like, I take it.

730
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,000
That's what we're trying to deter.

731
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:34,000
Like, like, ten.

732
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:38,000
Like, four months from now, you might have ten more of them sitting there.

733
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:43,000
Or there's another place he has five acres of abandoned farm machinery.

734
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:45,000
Is that what we're trying to deter?

735
01:07:45,000 --> 01:07:46,000
Okay.

736
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:47,000
Thanks for the comment.

737
01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:54,000
The complaints that have been issued have been issued on properties that are

738
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:57,000
I'm zoned.

739
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,000
Age four.

740
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,000
So agricultural small holdings.

741
01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:05,000
So these are properties that are not necessarily agriculturally related properties.

742
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:11,000
They are, you know, in essence, they are, you know, a village residential in the urban area, or in the rural area

743
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:12,000
villages.

744
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:15,000
So I, that's, that has been something that has not been mentioned today.

745
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:17,000
So I thought I would say that out loud.

746
01:08:17,000 --> 01:08:21,000
And maybe that's a direction that Council could request that they, maybe the exemption that

747
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:28,000
be put in is, or that the exemption that is removed is age four properties specifically.

748
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:34,000
So that they are treated like a settlement area in, in the scope of the bylaw.

749
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,000
For consideration.

750
01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:38,000
Thank you very much for that clerk.

751
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:48,000
And I think that may address the concerns that, that some Councillors have that

752
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:52,000
Age fours is maybe what we need to consider.

753
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:56,000
I'm going to go to our sale and then Councillor Milton, please.

754
01:08:56,000 --> 01:08:58,000
So just to clarify the age four properties are small.

755
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,000
Like the, the floors refers to.

756
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,000
So I'm going to give me an example.

757
01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:05,000
If you go down the loyal here and hang it right, there's a few little small little houses.

758
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:06,000
Those are all age four.

759
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:09,000
They're all small little parishes of property, a couple acres of size.

760
01:09:09,000 --> 01:09:11,000
But they're exempt through this lila.

761
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:16,000
And if you could, like, Florence referred to, you could zoom in on those particular properties.

762
01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,000
But it's not going to catch the mall.

763
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:20,000
So it's not going to catch the larger parishes that you're talking about.

764
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:21,000
Okay.

765
01:09:21,000 --> 01:09:22,000
Our council.

766
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,000
Excuse me.

767
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,000
I'll go to Councillor Miltonburg and then our clerk, please.

768
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:29,000
Yeah.

769
01:09:29,000 --> 01:09:33,000
I based my decisions on facts in front of me.

770
01:09:33,000 --> 01:09:37,000
So first of all, I think the age four complaints changes it dramatically.

771
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:47,000
The only way I would be content to say, let's change 25 pages of a by-law is to go through each point.

772
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,000
Because this by-law has in place for decades.

773
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,000
So bills.

774
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:53,000
Okay.

775
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:54,000
I'm doing this again.

776
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:55,000
Bill, you're right in that.

777
01:09:55,000 --> 01:09:59,000
At the very least, I think it would need to be done point by point.

778
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,000
The fact that it's the complaints were AG4.

779
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:04,000
To me, it changes it directly.

780
01:10:04,000 --> 01:10:09,000
And I would go through it point by point, thinking AG4 instead of farmlands.

781
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:12,000
I have not done that yet.

782
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:16,000
I think it would be a large amount of time.

783
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:21,000
Because I would want to go through all 25 pages with a different lens.

784
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:25,000
So I am requesting this be brought back.

785
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:26,000
Yep.

786
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:30,000
Now I can see that clerk and then councillors told me.

787
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:37,000
So for the purpose of bringing this back with something to consider or to consider it further,

788
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:45,000
would council be interested in seeing a property standards by-law with the AG4 parcels removed from that.

789
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:52,000
So that there's something to consider and this discussion can further happen.

790
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,000
I think that would make absolute sense.

791
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:58,000
councillors, no, please.

792
01:10:58,000 --> 01:11:00,000
I think that's a great idea.

793
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:03,000
I'll expand on that though.

794
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:06,000
And not that I'm looking to attend more meetings.

795
01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,000
But this is a huge by-law.

796
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,000
And it has a lot of implications.

797
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:16,000
And I think as councillor Milton Bergs, that this by-law has been around for quite a number of years.

798
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:21,000
And because it's so extensive, would it be reasonable to consider having,

799
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:26,000
instead of having a special meeting of council to discuss just this particular by-law,

800
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:35,000
as opposed to being in a regular council meeting where it would quite possibly take up a great deal of hard of the meeting.

801
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:41,000
I'm thinking, you know, an hour and a half meeting or a two hour meeting,

802
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,000
even if it's at four o'clock or something right after,

803
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,000
for thirty-one staff has normally done for the day.

804
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:59,000
Just so that we have a chance to really get a good scope of it and be able to go as council Milton Bergs that line by line.

805
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:00,000
Okay, thank you for that.

806
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,000
Any further sentiment from council on this?

807
01:12:03,000 --> 01:12:08,000
Would we like a special meeting for this?

808
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:12,000
Does staff feel that we can do this within a council meeting?

809
01:12:12,000 --> 01:12:15,000
And I will defer to Deputy Mayor, please.

810
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:16,000
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

811
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:23,000
I would like to see the scenario of the A, G, fours taken out.

812
01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:29,000
But also, I'll have to admit that I would like time to look at this and go through it,

813
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:32,000
because there's things I'd like to see left in.

814
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,000
There's things I'd like to see taken out.

815
01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:41,000
And I haven't done that, I'll be honest with you, so that was why I asked it to come back.

816
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:44,000
And I don't care if it comes back in two weeks or a month,

817
01:12:44,000 --> 01:12:48,000
because it is going to take a while to go through this and pick out,

818
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:54,000
because I can just take a few off the top of my head, like trailer parks, for instance.

819
01:12:54,000 --> 01:13:00,000
I know of a few farms that have almost become a trailer park, and they shouldn't,

820
01:13:00,000 --> 01:13:03,000
but they're exempt because they're ageing one.

821
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:08,000
So there's a whole lot of things in there that I'd like to look at and bring back.

822
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:13,000
And because today, I can't tell you what I want to take other put in or anything else.

823
01:13:13,000 --> 01:13:16,000
That's why I asked it to come back. Thank you.

824
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:17,000
Okay, thank you for that.

825
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:23,000
From a staff standpoint, the bylaw is already in place.

826
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:28,000
Like, could we meet a week from today to discuss that?

827
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,000
Councillor Miltonberg, please.

828
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:33,000
That's why I want to jump in.

829
01:13:33,000 --> 01:13:35,000
It's, we're dairy farmers.

830
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:39,000
You have not your choice, and this is prime agriculture of season.

831
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:43,000
I actually do not have time to go through 25 pages line by line,

832
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:47,000
and think about AG for an AG and do a good job.

833
01:13:47,000 --> 01:13:50,000
I don't want to phone it in.

834
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:52,000
And I don't think there's any particular hurry for this.

835
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:56,000
We asked for it to come back based on complaints.

836
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,000
Can we, I think it's a full-sum conversation.

837
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,000
I think Bill is bang on, right?

838
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:04,000
He probably was just reading my mind.

839
01:14:05,000 --> 01:14:08,000
But if we're talking about having a special meeting because we need the time,

840
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:10,000
I'm saying let's do it more timely.

841
01:14:10,000 --> 01:14:12,000
There is no rush for this.

842
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:18,000
Let's do it either in the fall or after the crops are in the ground.

843
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:20,000
Or, you know, if we want to do it in the middle of the summer,

844
01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:21,000
I don't know.

845
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,000
But a week is way too short to turn around.

846
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:24,000
No problem.

847
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:25,000
Thank you.

848
01:14:25,000 --> 01:14:27,000
So what are we looking at on time frame,

849
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,000
because a staff needs some direction on this,

850
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:33,000
and we don't have to nail down a date.

851
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:34,000
It can be a proximate.

852
01:14:34,000 --> 01:14:36,000
Counselors, no, please.

853
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:39,000
Generally, the first week at June is a good time for farmers.

854
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,000
And another comment.

855
01:14:40,000 --> 01:14:43,000
I hate procrastination.

856
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaking.

857
01:14:45,000 --> 01:14:46,000
Please.

858
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:47,000
Okay.

859
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:48,000
Thank you for that.

860
01:14:48,000 --> 01:14:49,000
Counselor Snowblin.

861
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:52,000
We do have a council meeting on the third day of June.

862
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:55,000
Councilor Milton Burke, do you have a comment, please?

863
01:14:55,000 --> 01:14:59,000
I would suggest that every single dairy farmer in ACW is busy June 1st.

864
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:00,000
Okay.

865
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:20,000
Yes, and is it going to rain? Okay, so when or when are we thinking of a time frame? Staff need direction on this. Do we counsel or deputy mayor and then counsel or something?

866
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:30,000
Can we bring it back to say in July? I think that would be quite appropriate, you know, nice sunny day. You said it back and read it. Thank you.

867
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:42,000
Okay, so we're thinking of July. By my memory, we have one council meeting in July is that correct staff.

868
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:56,000
So the we could do it the eighth of July if if that. I'm a way. Oh, you're a ways to each to do it. Okay, you're a way the first two weeks. Okay, no problem.

869
01:15:56,000 --> 01:15:58,000
Councillor Snowblum, please.

870
01:15:58,000 --> 01:16:11,000
Not being a dairy farmer. I'm not aware of when the hey comes up and so on, but could we extend the meeting on June the 17th to have a discussion.

871
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:19,000
Just the property standards after the June 17th meeting.

872
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:27,000
Okay, but please. So you're looking for a special council meeting after the June 17th council meeting.

873
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:31,000
Yes, okay.

874
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:46,000
Yeah, I mean, my intent if to bring back the property standards by I wouldn't propose any amendments to it. I would bring it to you as draft and it would up to you to decide what you would want to change on that by law.

875
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:58,000
If it's a, if it's a, like a continuation of a council meeting, it would have to be a call to a separate place at separate time. I mean, be it to be considered.

876
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:13,000
I'm thinking even from a administrative side of things. So either it'd be included in the June 17th meeting as an item that is discussed, or you come back at one o'clock or four o'clock to discuss that item specifically.

877
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:25,000
We could always do it within the council meeting and extend the hour. That's a possibility and you know, rather than, you know, that is one option. Councilor Milton, please.

878
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:42,000
Okay, we have one councillor Anita. Well, I love dearly, would like it done quicker. I, you have a councillor, remember who is asking for grace in the beginning of June. Can we do it in July and I will tell you, I could do it June 17th it will be a hardship.

879
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:55,000
And I would do my best, but I'm asking for the extension to July because as far as I can tell, there is no pressing pressing reason to do it in June for me and there's a lot of pressing reasons not to do it in June for me.

880
01:17:55,000 --> 01:18:06,000
Okay, so we have one meeting in July that would be on the 15th of July. We could extend the hour and have it within that meeting CAO comment, please.

881
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:15,000
I'm just trying to bring it back full circle. The intent is to decide whether you're going to include all-way properties or just some.

882
01:18:15,000 --> 01:18:21,000
The by-law itself, I don't know if it needs much amending itself, but I think it's more about what zones you want to include.

883
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:25,000
Right now includes all zones except those agriculture, so I think it's more of that.

884
01:18:25,000 --> 01:18:34,000
There might be a few little minor changes to the by-law, but like this by-law has been around for quite some time and they are in their for reason they're consistent.

885
01:18:34,000 --> 01:18:43,000
So I think we need to wrap our head around whether you want to include the agriculture as a whole, every particular zone or just particular ones.

886
01:18:44,000 --> 01:19:01,000
And I would suggest from our discussion that our consideration was to whether to currently AG4 is excluded and whether that is our intent as opposed to you know agricultural land of farmers.

887
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:11,000
Take the thing and we will look at the full some by-law. However, I would suggest that that is something we're kind of discussing today.

888
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,000
Counselors, no, please.

889
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:21,000
Could we come to a compromise and start the discussion at the June, whatever, meeting that was June 17, December 17.

890
01:19:21,000 --> 01:19:40,000
The June 17th discussion and if we finish the discussion at the July 15 meeting and ahead of time have staff provide for us not only the definition of AG4.

891
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:54,000
And how it dovetails and effects any possible amendments to this by-law, but also any other zoning that might as well.

892
01:19:54,000 --> 01:20:09,000
But I'm not familiar with all the zones for it, but perhaps you could, you know, have a few of the different zoning that might have a great deal of effect or a little effect on this.

893
01:20:09,000 --> 01:20:12,000
Just so that we can wrap our head around it.

894
01:20:12,000 --> 01:20:21,000
Okay, so this suggestion was on the 17th of June and further discussion in the 15th of July.

895
01:20:21,000 --> 01:20:29,000
I'm not, I don't know, we'll see how it goes. I'm not sure it's going to be that long conversation if we have the by-law and advance for what we want to accomplish.

896
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:33,000
However, that is at the Willow Council. Councilor Milton Bergen and Hickey please.

897
01:20:33,000 --> 01:20:41,000
I've said I can make the June 17th work and I can't, but I would also comment you are talking about something that affects farmers.

898
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:49,000
And when we talk about something that affects the seasonal residents we try to do it at a time that's handy for them.

899
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:56,000
I'm not hanging by June 17th, but everybody else who has beef cattle is or they're spraying their soybeans.

900
01:20:56,000 --> 01:21:12,000
So if you want people who are interested and are going to be affected by this to have time, there's a reason why both most dairy farmers, not dairy farmers, farmers get married in the middle of July, because there's a break in the middle of July organically.

901
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:17,000
I personally got married in October, so I can make June 17th work.

902
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:21,000
I think it's a disservice to the people who will be affected by this by-law.

903
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:25,000
Everyone knows what I need and I think, so I'd like to know what the other councilors think.

904
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:34,000
Okay, so with that sentiment, let's consider the 15th of July and I'm going to go to Councillor Hickey and then snow bun please.

905
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:42,000
Thank you. As far as the package comes back at the meeting, I just asked staff to do a breakdown of all AG zones.

906
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:46,000
Just so we know what's allowed on AG, whatever it is.

907
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:55,000
Size wise, how large the properties are or could be if there's a restriction on AG for size wise, just so we can go through AG step by step.

908
01:21:55,000 --> 01:21:58,000
All those zoning. Thank you.

909
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:02,000
Okay, just to follow up on that, I'm going to ask a question.

910
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:14,000
Do you have a brief explanation on AG for holdings, and you cited the loyal that we're all familiar with, compared to a 100-acre farm?

911
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,000
Difference and zoning, please.

912
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,000
I don't have that information here in Italy.

913
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:21,000
No problem.

914
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:22,000
It's cool.

915
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:25,000
Okay, Councillor Snowblum, you'd like to make a comment, please.

916
01:22:25,000 --> 01:22:35,000
I would just say in the spirit of doing things that are handy for everybody, seasonal and farmers, the seasonal people that we're here today at the delegation.

917
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:45,000
I'm sure that they would like to see this come to discussion sooner rather than later, as opposed to at a time when they're not in the area.

918
01:22:45,000 --> 01:22:49,000
So just for consideration.

919
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:53,000
July is good, not October.

920
01:22:53,000 --> 01:23:07,000
Okay, so if I would ask Councillor for the sentiment, can this work for our July 15th meeting, and staff would provide us information in advance of that meeting.

921
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,000
Deputy Mayor.

922
01:23:09,000 --> 01:23:11,000
Oh, yeah, you're away.

923
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:18,000
No, I'm not away, but like that's getting into wheat season, but as long as it's in the morning, that's fine.

924
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:24,000
But July 15th, that regular Councillor means, yeah, as long as it doesn't get too late, that might be just concerned.

925
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:37,000
So I'm going to ask for a show of hands of Councillors in support of this property standards by law, agricultural zone exemption, coming back to our July 15th meeting that will start at 9 a.m.

926
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:40,000
Council and support it as a show of hands, please.

927
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:41,000
That's part of my council.

928
01:23:41,000 --> 01:23:43,000
Okay, staff, go to this.

929
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:45,000
Thank you.

930
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:49,000
The by law enforcement report is for information purposes.

931
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:55,000
Do any members of council have any questions or comments on this report?

932
01:23:55,000 --> 01:24:02,000
Seeing none, we have the report also from Viola, water operations and maintenance, again, information purposes.

933
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:03,000
Questions or comments?

934
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:05,000
I'll read that.

935
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:08,000
Nothing under drainage.

936
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:17,000
Yes, I do.

937
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:24,000
That's right.

938
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,000
Thank you very much, clerk.

939
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,000
I'm nothing under drainage.

940
01:24:29,000 --> 01:24:30,000
Public works.

941
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:35,000
We do have a report that has been prepared by our public works superintendent on progress.

942
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:40,000
Do we have any questions or comments of Tom on this report?

943
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:42,000
Councillor forster, please.

944
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,000
Okay, thank you, Glenn.

945
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,000
I'm really impressed with the job.

946
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:47,000
You guys getting the crown on the road.

947
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:57,000
But one of my concerns is this gravel you've put in the grass, like, for grass cutting, like, what's going to happen with that?

948
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:09,000
Thanks for the question, Councillor forster, Tom, please.

949
01:25:09,000 --> 01:25:16,000
The grass is cut over top of the gravel, and then the grass is going to dry up.

950
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:24,000
If we're going to use the reclamer, it's a set of discs that you used to pull stuff out.

951
01:25:24,000 --> 01:25:29,000
That's always going to pull grass and saw it out of the side of the road.

952
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:43,000
So I would look to time the grass cutting with the reclaming a gravel so that you're not pulling a large amount of, hey, onto the road.

953
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:47,000
But the way it, like some places, like, there's a mound like that.

954
01:25:47,000 --> 01:25:51,000
I think you can't cut grass.

955
01:25:51,000 --> 01:26:04,000
I also say that creek line and the report got an extra thick layer of gravel, and we're trying that out.

956
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:12,000
I'd have to go and look to see how much if there's a particular area that's got a lot of gravel that's pushed to the side.

957
01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:15,000
I'd have to go and have a look at it.

958
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:22,000
Yeah, I'm talking creek line, but so other roads aren't the same way to get that crown on the road.

959
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:25,000
We have a beautiful crown on all the roads.

960
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:32,000
The guys have been very diligent trying to achieve that 5%.

961
01:26:32,000 --> 01:26:41,000
From what I've seen from the roads that have had gravel applied to them, I don't feel like there's a lot of gravel that's been pushed to the side.

962
01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:51,000
So we just on Friday added an additional thickness to creek line, so it'll have to go see how it's looking today.

963
01:26:51,000 --> 01:26:55,000
But we can always pull it back. It'll be okay.

964
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:57,000
Okay, thank you.

965
01:26:57,000 --> 01:26:58,000
Thank you for that.

966
01:26:58,000 --> 01:27:04,000
And thank you for this Thomas far as a follow-up that Council has asked for in a residence of asked for it too.

967
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:23,000
And I have also received comments in the last two weeks from residents that have been very appreciative of the quality of the gravel, the amount of stone in it, the quantity that has been applied and also on the crown that has been applied to the road.

968
01:27:23,000 --> 01:27:25,000
And this is what our residents have asked for.

969
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:30,000
So thank you very much for that Tom and we will continue to monitor this.

970
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:36,000
And the fact that you're putting an additional amount on, we have to try different things to improve it.

971
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:41,000
And this is what both Council and our residents have requested and thank you very much for doing this.

972
01:27:41,000 --> 01:27:47,000
And we will continue to do it to upgrade our and improve our roads to what they have been.

973
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:51,000
Any further questions or comments at Tom? Other than job well done?

974
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:52,000
You continue it?

975
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:55,000
Perfect. Thank you very much, Tom, for this.

976
01:27:55,000 --> 01:28:02,000
Is there any Council committee reports that anyone would like to share with Council? Please no go first to Councilor Hickey.

977
01:28:02,000 --> 01:28:03,000
Thank you.

978
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:10,000
Councilor Blake reached out to me last night and asked me to report for him on the Ben Miller Hall.

979
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,000
June the fifth is the annual supper.

980
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:17,000
There will be a silent auction with proceeds going to the playground project.

981
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:25,000
And also the committee is very excited to share that they have raised nearly $61,000 to date for the playground project.

982
01:28:25,000 --> 01:28:28,000
Which I think is excellent amount and the time they've had.

983
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:29,000
Thank you.

984
01:28:29,000 --> 01:28:36,000
It absolutely is. That's wonderful. Congratulations and thank you to all that are involved in that fundraising effort.

985
01:28:36,000 --> 01:28:40,000
Any additional committee reports, Councilor Snowblum, please?

986
01:28:40,000 --> 01:28:49,000
Yes, on May 14th, I met in Clinton with the community safety and well-being oversight committee.

987
01:28:49,000 --> 01:29:02,000
And it was discussed at fairly great length since this is a mandated committee of municipalities across Ontario.

988
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,000
There is no funding for this.

989
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:08,000
And we've discussed this before at the oversight committee.

990
01:29:09,000 --> 01:29:21,000
And there is an appetite from the Oxford County to take the lead in approaching possibly the Minister of Finance at AMO,

991
01:29:21,000 --> 01:29:34,000
about seeking funding for this mandated committee across the municipalities of Belief or another 440 or some municipalities.

992
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:43,000
But I believe there's 380 of them not mistaken committees that are mandated through the province of Ontario with no funding.

993
01:29:43,000 --> 01:29:51,000
We talked about different ways to approach how to highlight that there's no funding and so on.

994
01:29:51,000 --> 01:29:59,000
It's about $4,600 for a booth, which seems a little high to bring awareness to.

995
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,000
This, but there is, like I said, an appetite for the Oxford County to take the lead on us.

996
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:22,000
I guess the ask is the committee has asked me to approach our local MPP to have a discussion about this at the committee, which I have not done yet, but I will be approaching her.

997
01:30:22,000 --> 01:30:34,000
And also for the councils that are associated with the nine lower tiers to, if they have anyone going to aim on, I believe, Councilor Miltonberg is.

998
01:30:34,000 --> 01:30:51,000
If they would be supportive of Oxford County and other counties that are, you know, taking the lead on us to approach if they can get a delegation to the Minister of Finance or whatever ministry is available to talk about funding for this mandate.

999
01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:58,000
That was the great deal at this question, but we also have some other things coming up.

1000
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:01,000
New.

1001
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:05,000
Some new.

1002
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:07,000
I'm the last for words.

1003
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:20,000
The next priority, the next in July, first we have a new launch coming forward and the new campaign community safety and security, and that will be launching in July.

1004
01:31:20,000 --> 01:31:27,000
And we'll be highlighting that at the multicultural festival in Gaudrich. I believe it's July first.

1005
01:31:27,000 --> 01:31:32,000
Okay. Thank you very much for that. Any additional committee reports?

1006
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,000
Anyone?

1007
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:44,000
Approximately two weeks ago I did attend the South here in Mayors breakfast in Exeter and also the Gaudrich mayor's luncheon in Gaudrich.

1008
01:31:44,000 --> 01:32:01,000
And we had a mid here in landfill meeting a week ago and almost want to touch would we are seeing the least shade amount decrease at the landfill, which has been a priority in a concern of the committee and we are monitoring that as to different ways.

1009
01:32:01,000 --> 01:32:08,000
We can further enhance that of less the shade because it's an absolute cost.

1010
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:13,000
Is there any new business that anyone who would like to bring forward to a future meeting at this time?

1011
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:19,000
Seeing none we have no correspondence for direction there are a number of items for information.

1012
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:25,000
Do any members of council have a comment to make on this and I will go first to Councillor Milton, please.

1013
01:32:25,000 --> 01:32:32,000
Thank you. I have a comment on several of them and the first one is 16.1 the AMO delegation.

1014
01:32:32,000 --> 01:32:42,000
I would suggest that we make a delegation request both for what I need to spoke about and I'm not sure.

1015
01:32:42,000 --> 01:32:49,000
Maybe think of maybe more than just a minister of finance. We send the same thing out to several ministers and see who will take a bite.

1016
01:32:49,000 --> 01:32:54,000
And the other one is I think we should try to make another delegation to short term rental.

1017
01:32:55,000 --> 01:33:07,000
We're doing a lot of good work. We could talk to them about it but I still believe it should be far more direction from the province and there is they there let us do everything and I'd like to point that out again.

1018
01:33:07,000 --> 01:33:10,000
So do we want to talk about that for move on to the next one?

1019
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:17,000
Well absolutely and that delegation of STRs would be the minister of housing I would suggest would that be appropriate.

1020
01:33:17,000 --> 01:33:23,000
The floor it sent it in last year. I think that's who it was.

1021
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:26,000
My memory doesn't ring about.

1022
01:33:26,000 --> 01:33:37,000
But I mean if there isn't the deadline is May 30th. So if we're open to those suggestions I could get a draft STR1.

1023
01:33:37,000 --> 01:33:42,000
I need I'm guessing could get a draft.

1024
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:52,000
For whatever that word was give them show the council so we can kind of agree that's more or less it so Florence can get the paperwork done and again that doesn't.

1025
01:33:52,000 --> 01:34:04,000
It wouldn't be the full some report because we don't even know if we'll get an ear but it would give staff some direction of what to send by May 30 if we're interested in that.

1026
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:06,000
Okay. Thank you very much. Councillor Snowblum please.

1027
01:34:06,000 --> 01:34:20,000
Just I would suggest that perhaps we could get Kelly or Florence to reach out to Michaela Johnson or Stacey Jeffree with other general.

1028
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:27,000
Because they would have the lead people from Oxford County that they might be able to get more information.

1029
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:37,000
Okay. Staff good with that and the sentiment for an STR request of a delegation to address that with the appropriate ministers. Okay and continue please council member.

1030
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:01,000
Okay. Thanks to the questions CAO please.

1031
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:12,000
I knew that question was coming so I thought hey I emailed the month Friday and he says they haven't forgotten there's going to be something coming back to council for to look at shortly.

1032
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,000
Okay. Thank you. Continue.

1033
01:35:14,000 --> 01:35:17,000
Yeah. Please. Thank you for that to see you.

1034
01:35:17,000 --> 01:35:24,000
There's two here in county sled grants and we're successful for the Ben Miller playground and I want to really particularly shout out.

1035
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:36,000
They're both great accessibility one is great but initially I was like I don't think there's any point in putting in the Ben Miller project one and we did request quite a bit more but quite happy that they did support it so.

1036
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:41,000
Color me wrong and willing to admit staff was smarter to me on that one instance so good for them.

1037
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:52,000
And the last comment I wanted to make was 16.8 the strap for festival civic invitation night.

1038
01:35:52,000 --> 01:36:01,000
My very first play ever was Annie so I'm really interested in that but I'm guessing I'm to contact them myself is that how it reads. Okay. Thank you.

1039
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:08,000
Okay. Thank you for that and I will also plan to attend that civic night.

1040
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:15,000
Any other items of information the council would like to comment on and I will go first to Councilor Hickey please.

1041
01:36:15,000 --> 01:36:20,000
Thank you. I'd like to just acknowledge 16 to the McKay Center update.

1042
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:25,000
That's an program that we supported and help get going.

1043
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:36,000
They've got part-time custodian and part-time program consultant that started earlier this May and it looks like they have a barbecue coming up in June to get awareness out and events.

1044
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:40,000
So I'd just like to acknowledge that. Thank you.

1045
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:44,000
Thank you very much for that and that is very positive. Totally. Absolutely.

1046
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,000
Anything additional?

1047
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:53,000
Seeing none under unfinished business the aim of conference that Councilor Milton Bergen myself plan to attend.

1048
01:36:53,000 --> 01:36:58,000
We have one by law and I would entertain a mover and a seconder for this by law.

1049
01:36:58,000 --> 01:37:03,000
And it would be Deputy Mayor of Antstone, Councilor Milton Bergen the leave be given to introduce by law number 31.

1050
01:37:03,000 --> 01:37:10,000
Dash 2025 being a by-law to adopt a community grants policy for the Township of Ashefield, Coburn, Walbon, Osh and then it will now be read separately.

1051
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:16,000
A first second and third time and finally pass this 20th day of May 2025 all in favor of the motion is written.

1052
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:25,000
That is carried. We do have a closed session today and I would entertain a mover and a seconder for this.

1053
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:38,000
And that is Councillor Snowbland and Hickey, the Ashefield Coburn Walbon Osh Township Council move into a closed session in accordance to section 239 and brackets 2 and brackets B, E and F and brackets of the municipal act.

1054
01:37:38,000 --> 01:37:47,000
With the CAO, the clerk, the public works remaining in attendance for the duration and the CBO remaining in attendance for items 191 and 2 at 10.

1055
01:37:47,000 --> 01:38:09,000
A 40 AM for the purpose of discussing personal information about an identifiable individual, including municipal employees, litigation or potential litigation, including matters before administrative tribunals, affecting the municipality and advice that is subject to solicitor client privilege including communications necessary for the purpose.

1056
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:17,000
And that would include property standards, building code and zoning by law contraventions and public works, all in favor of the motion is written.

1057
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:26,000
And that is carried and how we have a break for five minutes to allow our clerk, the opportunity to secure the meeting and we will resume in our closed session.

1058
01:38:39,000 --> 01:38:49,000
Thank you.

1059
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:19,000
Thank you.

1060
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:49,000
Thank you.

1061
01:40:09,000 --> 01:40:19,000
Thank you.

1062
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:49,000
Thank you.

1063
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:19,000
Thank you.

1064
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:49,000
Thank you.

1065
01:42:09,000 --> 01:42:19,000
Thank you.

1066
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:49,000
Thank you.

1067
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:19,000
Thank you.

1068
01:43:39,000 --> 01:43:49,000
Thank you.

1069
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:19,000
Thank you.

1070
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:59,000
Thank you.

1071
02:20:30,000 --> 02:20:40,000
We are back in our open session, and I will ask our clerk for reporting on our closed session, please.

1072
02:20:40,000 --> 02:20:42,000
There is nothing to report today.

1073
02:20:42,000 --> 02:20:47,000
Thank you very much. We have our confirmatory by-law, and I will entertain a mover of the seconder for this, please.

1074
02:20:47,000 --> 02:20:55,000
Deputy Mayor Van Stone, Councillor Snowblend, that the given to introduce by-law number 32-2025, being a by-law to confirm the proceedings of the

1075
02:20:55,000 --> 02:21:01,000
bunch of of Ashfield Cobra and Walden-Oge Council meeting held on May 20, 2025. And then it will be read separately.

1076
02:21:01,000 --> 02:21:06,000
A first second and third time and finally passes 20th day of May 2025, all in favour of the motion is read.

1077
02:21:06,000 --> 02:21:12,000
And that is carried. Thank you very much for everyone's input today, and I will entertain a mover and a seconder to adjourn.

1078
02:21:12,000 --> 02:21:14,000
This meeting.

1079
02:21:14,000 --> 02:21:21,000
Councillor Sforcer, Milton Berg, that Ashfield Cobra and Walden-Oge Council, does now adjourn to me to gain on June 3,

1080
02:21:21,000 --> 02:21:27,000
2025 at 9 a.m. or at the Call of the Mayor, all in favour of this motion, and that again is carried.

1081
02:21:27,000 --> 02:21:29,000
Thank you. Meeting adjourn.