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conditioning um just for the folks

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city of Boise and then why don't we go

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Corporation go ahead yeah Mark heisinger

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with kson Associates Sonia deidon with

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open meeting law for the last uh almost

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and you so we're going to have minutes

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other committee I think that you've ever

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that let's start with the uh November 13

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review it then I I read them uh

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previously Madam chair and would move

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for approval of the November 13th 2023

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there a second second okay thank you

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um I have to get you guys straight

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you're John John John star star the

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other benefit of minutes is that you

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constantly get reinforced with

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everybody's name don't I already know

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wle seconded by John turnup see that we

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meeting all in favor say I I any oppose

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minutes that meeting so move okay Peter

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passes there get that out of the way so

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uh we're here uh so back in may we

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presented to the commission on this

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effort that is an ongoing effort on the

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review of the preliminary analysis for

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the uh impact fee and CIP uh update uh

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which we are aiming for 2025 uh this is

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focus in service areas this is an Ono

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ongoing topic that uh the commission

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requested staff to review more in detail

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uh look at uh different uh to look at

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different scenarios but at the same time

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practices are regarding service areas

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and how they're defined so uh this is a

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task that uh myself Batista Co manager

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work you guys do uh in this review uh of

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the service area to this presentation is

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a two-part series uh and here we're

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sort of what is a service area defining

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parameters behind it how are what are

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what scenarios to look at but uh and

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commission with the results of the

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analysis so the cic will be involved on

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great thank you so much Adon um so what

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similar to the work session that we we

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commission um back in May the end of May

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of you had a chance to ask questions uh

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make sure we all understand the data and

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also provide your uh input and thoughts

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under consideration as well

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um so just as a reminder we've been

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the commission since last summer on

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evaluating best practices as it relates

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to the development of capital

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commission back in December um as

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what we found so far related to this

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area um as a reminder overall um what is

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ACD CIP and what are traffic impact fees

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that um acchd has that allows developers

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to pay their uh proportional fair share

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of more systemwide improvements um those

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development Pro process know that um

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developers often um conduct a traffic

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impact study for proposed new

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developments that really isolates

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needed um to accommodate that

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development within the development area

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but traffic commonly doesn't just stay

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throughout the system and so traffic

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development to pay their quer share of

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systemwide improvements without having

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to study the whole County every time a

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new development is proposed um in order

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for ACD to have impact fees they are

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required to also have a corresponding

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what are those systemwide improvements

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over a horizon year which is usually

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bottom here is just one of several plans

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and direct what goes into their

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integrated five-year work plan which is

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what specifically the district will

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build and construct over the next five

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years so it's an informative uh document

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other plans like their Ada plans their

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bike PL plans um and other plans that

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are needed um to inform that

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process all right um as a reminder again

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areas um that this group as well as the

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commission confirmed Med um were of

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particular interest to study as part of

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that November 13th meeting so thank you

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date it was that's great um but uh as

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development impact Fe act that uh speak

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requirements we need to meet as it

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geographic boundary where the public

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facilities within that boundary um and

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that boundary serve the growth within

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growth and the projects are tied um they

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locations um the service area boundaries

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service area need to stay and fund

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within eight years or refunded um so

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scenario where we're not able to use

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some of the historical context that

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service area concept but one that had

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identified specific benefit zones within

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that service area um and it the benefit

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zones did function somewhat similar to

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service areas where the fees within

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those benefit areas were retained within

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those benefit areas to fund

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development impact fee act and so ACD

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service area scenario was implemented uh

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within the CIP and traffic impact fees

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um and four service areas were developed

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at that time that really balanced the

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cost of projects across the service

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areas um so that uh major CIP projects

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weren't um

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disproportionately imp acting one

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service area versus the other the aim at

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that point was to sort of balance fees

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across the different

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areas and then um in 2012 another impact

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fee update went into place and at that

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time um the district was um had

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identified several large scale projects

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that um really were of regional benefit

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in nature they they served travel uh

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across the county and so at that point

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they went back to a single service area

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so that those Regional projects could be

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funded by growth throughout the county

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um and that um those projects could also

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be funded in a manner that W wasn't

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constrained to one sub region of the

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county and so um since 2013 that's been

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this the service area model that ACD has

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had um and of course we're going through

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a process of evaluating whether or not

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that's still the right uh model to

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function

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in um I did want to remind this group as

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well regardless of which service area

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model we move forward with hd's current

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impact fee policy does provide um some

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latitude and flexibility within it um

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they do provide credits for

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redevelopment so if a developer comes to

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a property that's already developed and

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changes the use or enhances the use um

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they get credits for any Redevelopment

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that takes place so they're only paying

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sort of the net differential in Impact

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fees on that

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Redevelopment um they also work with

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developers to provide refinements to

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their impact fees based on land use

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context um as an example I know kson has

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worked with several of the developers of

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some of the downtown Boise Housing

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that's going up

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to get credits for impact fees

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understanding the land use context in

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downtown Boise where more of those trips

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would likely be walking biking or

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Transit

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trips and then there is an individual

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assessment process which is a process

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sort of after the fact where development

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can pay their impact fees but then once

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they're built can go back and do a study

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to document if their fees should be

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different based on unique trip

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generation or mode Choice uh conditions

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so there's quite a bit of flexibility in

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latitude and I know um probably several

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people in this room have worked with ACD

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to take a closer look at their impact

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fees where

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appropriate so um based on that we went

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about creating some scenarios to

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evaluate service area different service

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area scenarios to evaluate which one

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would be the most appropriate to move

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forward with with at this time um as we

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know any scenario that we developed has

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to be consistent with the requirements

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in the development impact V

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Act and the key um element of that act

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that drives the scenario development is

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the fact that any any service area

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scenario needs to be based on sound

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planning and engineering

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principles and so um in order to

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evaluate that we really identify provide

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three sources of data that help guide

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and direct how travel patterns occur in

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the county um and we evaluated those um

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with the um overarching view of how

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would these um inform different service

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area

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scenarios so the first one was trip

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length which is how far on average do

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trips go within Ada County and are there

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differences across the County in terms

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of how how far trips travel do trips in

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one part of the county travel a

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different length compared to those in

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other

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areas uh mode share was the second piece

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of data that we looked at so how do

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trips occur within Ada County and are

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there differences with how those trips

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occur um across the county whether

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there's certain areas that have more

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driving trips compared to Transit trips

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or walking trips and vice versa

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and then the third piece that we looked

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at the third data source that we looked

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at was trip

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capture and trip capture um documents

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whether trips originating in certain

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portions of the county stay within those

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areas of the County or do trips

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originating in certain portions of the

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county go to different areas of the

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county and again this data piece is

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really trying to get at that um

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requirement in the impact fee act as to

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are there sub regions within Ada County

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that function as their own

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transportation systems where growth in

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that area really drives projects only in

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that

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area so maybe I'll pause here because I

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want this to be a dialogue um are there

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any thoughts or questions at this point

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so far I'm curious Sonia on how did you

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uh I know as you get through uh the

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information information of the data a

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little bit further you get into

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specifically how but how do you

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determine that mode share is that by uh

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yeah I that that's a great question so

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um the data source we used for all of

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this analysis um is called replica and

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replica is a product on the market um

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there's many different Big Data sources

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but they're a big data source where they

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um compile

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travel characteristics and information

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basically from anyone who's walking

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around or driving around with a cell

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phone with GPS in their vehicle um with

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some other connected

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technology and replica buys all that

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information from the these cell phone

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providers or GPS providers and compiles

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it all so um you know your question

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about how does replica know if someone

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is driving versus walking um that's a

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little bit part of replica's black box

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but they do look at how fast is the trip

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occurring and on what path is the trip

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occurring so um if you know a trips um

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occurring at 10 miles per hour or 20

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miles per hour or more they probably

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know that person isn't walking that

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person is either in a bike or a vehicle

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um depending on the straightness of the

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path does it follow roadways or does it

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like Meander through areas that also

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informs what type of mode um the replica

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assigns that trip to well Madam chair

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that would explain why a few years ago

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when I we changed a location of a

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standing meeting that occurred twice a

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month after we changed that location the

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next time I got in my car my phone

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actually told me that it's only 19

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minutes to that new location and I never

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put it in my

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that's F fascinating and scary actually

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they know yeah the advantage is you get

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better data than a travel

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diary true down so amazing thank you and

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and Son Mark can you can just confirm

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when we talk we're speaking of trips

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we're talking about all

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trips throughout the entire County not

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just on arterials or anything it's the

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whole volume of of trips that is correct

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so the um and markk can chime in here

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too we did screen out only weekday trips

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so we didn't include weekend type trips

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but I think that's the only screening or

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midday weekday wasn't really a screening

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like when you look at this data you can

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either choose like a a weekday or a

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weekend and this is a spring 2023

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average Thursday essentially is what

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this reprs um which was the most recent

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that was available when we started this

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and then we screened out trips that were

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30 plus miles right essentially to take

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out like those kind of like Long Haul

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trips because they were you know messing

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with some of those averages just when

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when you're look at Stu like that but it

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includes all trips work trips education

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trips Recreation trips um and it doesn't

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restrict trips to just the arterial

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system it's everybody's trip yeah thank

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you if I

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might last time there was something

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about excluding interstate and State

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Highway

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use are they excluded or are they

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included great question so for this

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analysis we haven't excluded any trips

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yet um of course trip length you

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did uh no now let I'll I'll complete the

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the answer so once we get down to the

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activity of creating the actual impact

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fees at that point we will need to take

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out any distance that's not on an ACD

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roadway as part of that trip so at that

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point it gets screened out for this this

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um exercise of creating potential

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service area scenarios we did not screen

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out those trips

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yet there was one more question what

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about when you've got bikes getting on

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bus buses and people getting on buses

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and how does it figure all you know I'm

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just thinking about downtown in

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particular

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right I think so if you ask me I would

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say I probably need a replica rep to

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answer that but Mark maybe you have a

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better question fa answer to that yeah I

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I think it calculates them all separate

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trips so someone bikes to a bus stop

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gets on the bus takes the bus somewhere

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those are G to be separate trips

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yeah good question

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yeah all all right so let's get into

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showing you what this data tells us

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about travel characteristics within Ada

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County um so this map shows um average

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trip length and we broke it down by

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census track

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area um and essentially the lightest

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areas on this map represent the shortest

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trips um shortest average trip with

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which is about four miles on average

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average those areas had the shortest

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trips and then as you get darker the

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average trips within those census track

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starts to get longer and longer with the

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darkest areas which you can see probably

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on the south end of the county and at

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the very North End of the county those

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census tracks had the longest average

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trips um at about 11 miles on

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average and so as we were looking for um

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sort of trends in this data um what we

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found is that there is this area and I'm

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not sure can I use a pointer

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here once I go to the screen it goes

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away yeah sorry it's all right um so

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there is this area sort of surrounding

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downtown Boise um you can look at the

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North End you see um the close East End

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um and then south of downtown as you

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look into the sort of Southeast

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neighborhood area um including the area

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around Boise State um those areas are

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definitely showing up as the lightest on

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this map meaning those areas definitely

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have the shortest average trips

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overall um you can see downtown itself

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which is sort of that slightly darker

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area in the middle of that outset there

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um has longer trips than the areas

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around it it's probably not surprising

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people drive into downtown from further

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away to go to work probably visit

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businesses in downtown uh probably go to

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the St Luke's Medical complex and things

557
00:26:37,799 --> 00:26:42,840
like that um and you can also see that

558
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:45,520
mirrored actually if you go to the other

559
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:48,039
graphic and you look uh right about

560
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:50,000
where St alphonsa's Medical Campus is

561
00:26:48,039 --> 00:26:53,039
it's sort of right south of where the

562
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:55,960
i84 icon is yeah thank you so much Stacy

563
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:58,880
oh thank you yes um is that also the

564
00:26:55,960 --> 00:27:00,679
mall area or I can't believe the mall

565
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:02,600
South the mall yeah it's a little south

566
00:27:00,679 --> 00:27:04,720
of the mall but you can see there's some

567
00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:07,360
of these um you can even look at sort of

568
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:09,480
downtown Meridian there um that's

569
00:27:07,360 --> 00:27:11,799
another attractor it looks like where

570
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:15,799
you've got slightly longer trips coming

571
00:27:11,799 --> 00:27:17,240
there um so that in general makes sense

572
00:27:15,799 --> 00:27:20,120
you can see where some of these more

573
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:23,440
Regional attractors are but definitely

574
00:27:20,120 --> 00:27:26,120
those areas surrounding downtown boy um

575
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:28,919
stood out as the shortest on

576
00:27:26,120 --> 00:27:31,159
average um and then not surprising those

577
00:27:28,919 --> 00:27:33,919
areas on the outskirts of the county had

578
00:27:31,159 --> 00:27:37,279
the longest trips um likely needing to

579
00:27:33,919 --> 00:27:40,840
travel further for jobs and education

580
00:27:37,279 --> 00:27:43,279
shopping all of those kind of

581
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:46,559
uses and feel free to ask questions as

582
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:49,960
we go yeah I don't have a legend so I'm

583
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:52,000
star like dark brown is the dark dark

584
00:27:49,960 --> 00:27:54,279
red of I can't differentiate some of the

585
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:58,760
darker yeah so if you look at the sort

586
00:27:54,279 --> 00:28:01,399
of the South the North West corner of

587
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:03,679
the county up there um the very

588
00:28:01,399 --> 00:28:06,480
northwest corner would be the darkest at

589
00:28:03,679 --> 00:28:10,240
about 11 miles on average but then as

590
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:13,399
you get into star itself um it's

591
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:15,880
slightly less um from the colors I would

592
00:28:13,399 --> 00:28:19,039
say it's probably around eight to nine

593
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:21,559
miles on average yeah as you look at

594
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:24,919
star and then equals a little less than

595
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:29,240
that just had one one of those question

596
00:28:24,919 --> 00:28:32,200
yes trips originating in Canyon County

597
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:34,679
yes do do they count once they cross

598
00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:37,240
into Ada or does it have to originate

599
00:28:34,679 --> 00:28:40,559
from Ada great great question so these

600
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:43,559
are trips originating in these census

601
00:28:40,559 --> 00:28:48,080
trucks so it's only including trips

602
00:28:43,559 --> 00:28:48,080
originating within Ada County great

603
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:56,039
question

604
00:28:51,760 --> 00:29:00,000
okay so then next is originating and

605
00:28:56,039 --> 00:29:02,880
ending uh yes yeah I think we we

606
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:04,880
included all trips so I believe I

607
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:07,600
believe the only filter we put on it was

608
00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:09,559
um than frequ what if it was 30 plus

609
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:11,919
miles so we took out kind of those

610
00:29:09,559 --> 00:29:13,840
extremes and then so just in terms of

611
00:29:11,919 --> 00:29:16,279
what this G is representing if there was

612
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:18,919
a trip ending in Ada County it would be

613
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:21,120
included here or if it was starting in

614
00:29:18,919 --> 00:29:23,679
Ada County and then went to Canyon

615
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:25,679
County it would be in if you look at it

616
00:29:23,679 --> 00:29:27,519
as origin trips originating or trips

617
00:29:25,679 --> 00:29:30,440
destined to a the county it'll kind of

618
00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:31,799
work out this same either way yeah um

619
00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:33,039
but yeah this was originating and it

620
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:34,840
could have gone to Canyon County the

621
00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:36,720
only filter we have on here is that

622
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,840
overall trip length so trips like Twin

623
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:41,039
Falls would not be included okay if if I

624
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:43,799
might follow up on that I don't getting

625
00:29:41,039 --> 00:29:45,880
too far down to the weeds you're okay

626
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:48,760
you're if you're starting trips 30 miles

627
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,760
out and coming

628
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,960
in that's really going to skew it or you

629
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:55,679
just counting the distance once it inter

630
00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,679
a county even though it started 30 miles

631
00:29:55,679 --> 00:30:01,240
out

632
00:29:58,679 --> 00:30:03,960
so we didn't include trips that long

633
00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:09,559
yeah but say for example there was a

634
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:12,840
trip that started in downtown Napa or in

635
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:15,799
Napa and went it went to downtown

636
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:19,760
Meridian it would be included it would

637
00:30:15,799 --> 00:30:22,240
show up as a trip to that census track

638
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:24,640
in Meridian with the full mileage with

639
00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:29,000
the full mileage as long as it was less

640
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:30,120
than 30 miles yes

641
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:34,960
good

642
00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:37,000
clarifications that's good okay so next

643
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:41,480
we have uh mode

644
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:44,559
share so um on this map the lightest

645
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:49,039
areas on this map show the

646
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:51,480
locations that had the lowest per

647
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:55,960
percent of car

648
00:30:51,480 --> 00:31:00,720
travel so and then the darker areas have

649
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:03,880
had the highest percent of car travel so

650
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:07,600
again um you can see some areas just

651
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:10,240
north of downtown and south of downtown

652
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:13,639
particularly around the Boise Camp Boise

653
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:16,320
State campus area those were the areas

654
00:31:13,639 --> 00:31:20,120
that showed up as having the lowest

655
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:22,200
amount of car travel at about only

656
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:25,840
78% of car

657
00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:29,240
travel and then the darkest areas which

658
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:33,159
you can see some in southwest West uh

659
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:37,080
Boise um in Meridian up in Eagle those

660
00:31:33,159 --> 00:31:40,399
were the areas that had the highest per

661
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:43,559
of vehicle travel up at about 90% of

662
00:31:40,399 --> 00:31:45,159
trips occurred by personal

663
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:50,440
vehicle

664
00:31:45,159 --> 00:31:53,960
um these percentages are as a percent of

665
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:56,840
all trips coming um to or from those

666
00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:59,159
census tracks so I know a question we

667
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,799
had at the commission was you've got

668
00:31:59,159 --> 00:32:04,799
this very light area down in the

669
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:06,720
southern portion of Ada County what you

670
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:11,360
know why is everybody walking and biking

671
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:13,480
there and um that may be an issue or

672
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:15,320
that may be showing up that way because

673
00:32:13,480 --> 00:32:17,120
there's just not a lot of trips coming

674
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:21,279
from that census track in the first

675
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:23,120
place so even if there were some trips

676
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:25,080
by another mode besides vehicle it's

677
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:29,159
showing up as a little

678
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:32,519
lighter Sonia this is one where I

679
00:32:29,159 --> 00:32:36,080
I it would benefit the interpretation of

680
00:32:32,519 --> 00:32:39,120
of this metric to understand by census

681
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:41,639
track the volume of trips just for that

682
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:45,279
percentage kind of evens everybody out

683
00:32:41,639 --> 00:32:48,480
but the volume might be wildly different

684
00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:50,120
track to track and so that's why I I

685
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:53,000
can't

686
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:55,960
really just depend on this map without

687
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:58,760
having that that Foundation the volume

688
00:32:55,960 --> 00:33:02,960
of trips that I'm talking about is the

689
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:06,080
you know 78% in one area what is that

690
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:09,000
volume compared to another tract yeah

691
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:11,919
does that make sense y that's a great

692
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:14,440
point that

693
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:21,000
makes absolutely sense you can see in

694
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:23,159
the map that area sou of the county has

695
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,840
yeah and that totally makes sense

696
00:33:23,159 --> 00:33:27,080
because this area south of the county

697
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:29,720
the reason is showing lighter colors

698
00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:31,799
even though you would expect longer uh

699
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,960
commutes uh or the focus would be

700
00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:36,080
vehicles in that area based on the land

701
00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:37,880
use and attractions there is showing

702
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:41,000
lighter there and that's the reason

703
00:33:37,880 --> 00:33:43,880
behind because it doesn't a average

704
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:47,360
based on the volum total volume trips

705
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,840
that so abut we'll take a that's a great

706
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,639
great Point yeah I know you have the

707
00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:53,440
data it's just how you want to show it

708
00:33:50,639 --> 00:33:55,559
yeah yeah great point I think you know

709
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:59,080
an interesting thing that came from this

710
00:33:55,559 --> 00:34:01,799
is no matter where you are in County you

711
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:04,840
know at least 75% of the trips are

712
00:34:01,799 --> 00:34:07,279
occurring by vehicle um there are some

713
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:09,480
that are on that lower end but then some

714
00:34:07,279 --> 00:34:12,040
obviously that are quite a bit higher

715
00:34:09,480 --> 00:34:14,639
than that um so that's kind of

716
00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:16,800
interesting the other interesting

717
00:34:14,639 --> 00:34:20,679
pattern you can sort of see here if you

718
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:24,079
look broadly at this figure is that the

719
00:34:20,679 --> 00:34:27,000
Eastern portion of the county definitely

720
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:29,399
looks lighter overall as you compare to

721
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:33,200
the Western Port portion of the county

722
00:34:29,399 --> 00:34:35,839
and so we did take a look at that um and

723
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,599
sort of if you use Coal Road as a

724
00:34:35,839 --> 00:34:40,480
dividing line just because there's some

725
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:43,679
dark dark census tracks that go up to PO

726
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:46,679
Road there um about it's about in the

727
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:50,079
low 80% sort of around

728
00:34:46,679 --> 00:34:52,679
82% of the trips in the Eastern portion

729
00:34:50,079 --> 00:34:55,480
of the county occurring by Vehicles

730
00:34:52,679 --> 00:34:59,599
compared to sort of about

731
00:34:55,480 --> 00:35:01,680
87% in the western portion of the county

732
00:34:59,599 --> 00:35:04,800
so you can kind of see that pattern as

733
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:07,599
you look at this map as

734
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,920
well yeah what other observation it

735
00:35:07,599 --> 00:35:12,560
always depends on your perspective but I

736
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:15,359
think when I look we've always had in

737
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:18,880
the regional plan kind of a goal for for

738
00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:20,800
mod share is to get maybe 25% of the

739
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,119
trips you know we've always seems like

740
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:25,680
we've always been at 10 so I'm looking

741
00:35:22,119 --> 00:35:28,520
at 78 going that's awesome you know or

742
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:31,839
he I like at least a 78 or our cars I'm

743
00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:34,800
like well only 78 yeah I mean there some

744
00:35:31,839 --> 00:35:37,520
areas that are reaching that that goal

745
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:41,359
right now yeah and then you know a

746
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:45,000
question um from the commission came up

747
00:35:41,359 --> 00:35:47,160
as you know sort of what what are those

748
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:49,920
areas telling us that maybe we could do

749
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:52,000
in other locations of the county to

750
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,400
improve that in improve that modare and

751
00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:56,200
other locations as

752
00:35:54,400 --> 00:36:00,520
well

753
00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:03,160
good um so then finally internal capture

754
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:06,520
so you know as a reminder the data that

755
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:09,599
we evaluate related to internal capture

756
00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:12,920
informs us if there are ways to portion

757
00:36:09,599 --> 00:36:15,880
out the county into sort of

758
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:18,319
independently functioning regions sub

759
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:21,960
regions within the county are there

760
00:36:18,319 --> 00:36:25,079
areas where the growth in that area is

761
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,839
going to drive projects kind of

762
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:28,960
contained within that area versus

763
00:36:26,839 --> 00:36:31,880
driving the need for projects

764
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:34,119
elsewhere and so we started at the very

765
00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:36,839
high level you can see here in the upper

766
00:36:34,119 --> 00:36:40,280
left at the countywide what does that

767
00:36:36,839 --> 00:36:44,079
look like for Ada County as a whole um

768
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:46,760
and what we found is that 91% of the

769
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:49,839
trips either originating or destined

770
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:52,880
within adaa County actually start stay

771
00:36:49,839 --> 00:36:56,319
you know come from uh adaa County as

772
00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:59,760
well um so that was informative an

773
00:36:56,319 --> 00:37:02,960
informative base point for us to look at

774
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:05,960
um then we portioned out the county into

775
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:09,920
sort of an east side and a west side of

776
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:13,440
the county what does that look like and

777
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:16,119
um our dividing line here is somewhat

778
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:19,240
arbitrary but it's around Coal Road we

779
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:22,319
kind of use that mod chair as a guide um

780
00:37:19,240 --> 00:37:25,319
to separate things out and if you do

781
00:37:22,319 --> 00:37:27,359
that um in the Eastern portion shown up

782
00:37:25,319 --> 00:37:32,119
there this isn't going to work but shown

783
00:37:27,359 --> 00:37:35,599
up in the top right in the blue um about

784
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:39,000
65% of the trips originating in that

785
00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:41,480
area stay within that area um and then

786
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:45,160
in the purple uh the Western portion of

787
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:48,599
the county about 74% of the trips in

788
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:52,079
that area stay within the that

789
00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:54,599
area um if you look at the county in two

790
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:58,200
regions but this time dividing it North

791
00:37:54,599 --> 00:38:00,520
and South uh along the interstate

792
00:37:58,200 --> 00:38:04,040
um if you look north of the interstate

793
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:05,880
80% of the trips are originating there

794
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:08,839
uh north of the interstate there stay

795
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:11,280
within that that area north of the

796
00:38:08,839 --> 00:38:14,680
interstate um but when you look south of

797
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:16,720
the interstate only 52% of the trips

798
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:19,440
generating from in that southern Blue

799
00:38:16,720 --> 00:38:23,319
Area stay within that

800
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:26,400
area um and finally um if we broke it

801
00:38:23,319 --> 00:38:28,760
down into four regions um sort of

802
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:32,079
Northeast northw West Southeast

803
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:34,720
Southwest you can see the numbers here

804
00:38:32,079 --> 00:38:37,400
um the northwest region would be the

805
00:38:34,720 --> 00:38:40,359
highest um capturing the trips within

806
00:38:37,400 --> 00:38:44,400
that sub region um at about

807
00:38:40,359 --> 00:38:47,839
64% but then um the the the other

808
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:49,680
regions go down further from there and

809
00:38:47,839 --> 00:38:52,560
you know to meet the requirements in the

810
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:55,280
impact fee act what we're looking for uh

811
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:59,119
in these scenarios is balance we're

812
00:38:55,280 --> 00:39:02,520
looking at any scenarios that balance um

813
00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:06,240
internal trips in whatever sub regions

814
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:09,200
we we U we create so we're looking for

815
00:39:06,240 --> 00:39:12,680
the scenario that has High

816
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:16,280
internalization um in every region that

817
00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:19,400
we're creating um so you know as we look

818
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:21,599
at this we've got we've got really good

819
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:25,560
internalization if we look County rot

820
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:28,480
wide um if we split the the county into

821
00:39:25,560 --> 00:39:31,200
two sub regions east and west West we

822
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:34,400
still have a a pretty high percentage of

823
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,839
internalization in both those regions

824
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:39,319
but then when we broke it down either

825
00:39:36,839 --> 00:39:41,640
North South or into four regions we

826
00:39:39,319 --> 00:39:45,000
really start to lose at least in some of

827
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:47,200
the regions a high internal

828
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:49,599
percentage again we don't know the

829
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:52,760
volumes again we don't know the volumes

830
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:56,119
or we haven't presented the volume

831
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:58,119
here and I'm not sure for this one if

832
00:39:56,119 --> 00:40:02,240
that really

833
00:39:58,119 --> 00:40:05,599
matters the volumes in this one because

834
00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:09,359
again um if we were to move forward with

835
00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:12,280
a service area scenario that broke the

836
00:40:09,359 --> 00:40:13,599
county down into multiple sub regions or

837
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:18,240
multiple service

838
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:22,520
areas um we we we wouldn't have

839
00:40:18,240 --> 00:40:24,280
engineering and planning data to support

840
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,359
either the either of the bottom two

841
00:40:24,280 --> 00:40:29,240
scenarios that planning data just

842
00:40:26,359 --> 00:40:31,240
doesn't support it because if we were to

843
00:40:29,240 --> 00:40:34,640
play this out and pretend these are the

844
00:40:31,240 --> 00:40:38,160
service areas you know you would have

845
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:42,040
projects say in this in the in the north

846
00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:44,560
south two region scenario you would have

847
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:47,760
development occurring within the

848
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:50,160
southern region that was only paying

849
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:55,000
traffic impact fees within the southern

850
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:57,520
region yet its traffic is you know 48%

851
00:40:55,000 --> 00:41:00,040
of its traffic is going to the Norther

852
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:02,319
region and it wouldn't be paying for

853
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:05,160
projects in there so that's why we're

854
00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:05,160
really looking for

855
00:41:10,839 --> 00:41:15,839
balance I just I just struggle with I

856
00:41:13,319 --> 00:41:19,160
mean there's the lines we look we're

857
00:41:15,839 --> 00:41:24,400
looking at comparable size of

858
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:29,240
areas but are we then not showing the

859
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:29,240
volume differences around the county

860
00:41:30,359 --> 00:41:35,960
volume of trips you

861
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:38,640
know that's the I think like one of the

862
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,680
reasons why we didn't look at volume was

863
00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,640
because we were trying to find

864
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:43,400
Geographic areas with distinct

865
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,400
differences yeah so we were focused a

866
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:47,680
little bit more on like the actual

867
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:49,359
Geographic areas and seeing if there's

868
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,880
distinct differences in the travel

869
00:41:49,359 --> 00:41:52,839
patterns like I think that's partially

870
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,760
why we framed it kind of in this way

871
00:41:52,839 --> 00:41:58,720
yeah yeah if that's helpful I mean we

872
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:02,319
can pull that data and show you know

873
00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:04,480
send that out as well um there's nothing

874
00:42:02,319 --> 00:42:07,319
stopping us from doing that I just don't

875
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:11,280
know if the volumes on this particular

876
00:42:07,319 --> 00:42:13,319
for this particular topic really inform

877
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,839
anything that these perentes don't and

878
00:42:13,319 --> 00:42:18,119
we're trying to get at this idea of you

879
00:42:15,839 --> 00:42:20,280
know where is development occurring and

880
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:22,920
where are the projects going to be that

881
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:27,440
that development drives the need

882
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:29,680
for chair one of the things that we have

883
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:32,559
to look at from the perspective of the

884
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:35,280
trip capture is that how well each of

885
00:42:32,559 --> 00:42:38,319
the boundaries work by itself has been

886
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:41,400
independent uh independent service areas

887
00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:45,480
in its own way uh so comparing them

888
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:47,760
terally we can compare them and do a uh

889
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,839
data analysis from of those sorts Bas in

890
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:53,040
the traffic

891
00:42:48,839 --> 00:42:54,480
volumes but the the the goal through the

892
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,760
looking at from the trip capture is

893
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,640
making sure that the boundaries that we

894
00:42:55,760 --> 00:43:00,880
have developed can work

895
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:03,480
by themselves it can be yeah depending

896
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:07,559
of each other uh the percentage that you

897
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:11,319
see here just demonstrate from itself

898
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:13,839
how how high that internal trips are are

899
00:43:11,319 --> 00:43:16,880
are working so for example in the county

900
00:43:13,839 --> 00:43:19,880
countywide basically that's the highest

901
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:22,359
we can get at at this point uh and then

902
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:25,280
breaking it apart even more that's where

903
00:43:22,359 --> 00:43:29,119
you would have areas higher volume

904
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:32,040
higher internal capture than other areas

905
00:43:29,119 --> 00:43:34,680
and our goal is to and there's no

906
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:36,760
science behind or best practice of which

907
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:38,880
is that percentage you want to hit

908
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,760
overall we want to keep them uh as

909
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:44,359
independ independent as we can

910
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:46,920
percentage wise uh greater than and we

911
00:43:44,359 --> 00:43:49,240
cannot say it percentage but we can say

912
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,480
like we could we think like for example

913
00:43:49,240 --> 00:43:55,680
the two region it's a good goal to have

914
00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:57,880
above 60 uh just to reflect that

915
00:43:55,680 --> 00:44:01,079
internal independence of each

916
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:03,760
yeah yeah great thanks

917
00:44:01,079 --> 00:44:06,920
said it just shows our really lack of

918
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:09,640
north south routes

919
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:14,200
right all right

920
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:17,400
so we took all this data and to develop

921
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:20,480
scenarios service area scenarios for

922
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:22,960
evaluation we really as Edon said we

923
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:26,240
really need to look at all three pieces

924
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:29,119
of information we can't base it just on

925
00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:31,520
internal capture or just on mod share we

926
00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:34,040
really need to Overlay the trip length

927
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:38,599
the mod share and those that internal

928
00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:40,880
capture data to craft scenarios that are

929
00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:42,839
sort of defensible and supported by

930
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:46,880
those engineering and planning

931
00:44:42,839 --> 00:44:49,880
principles um so that's what we did and

932
00:44:46,880 --> 00:44:53,160
we felt there were three possible

933
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:56,240
scenarios that are supported Enough by

934
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:58,240
the data um that we recommended to move

935
00:44:56,240 --> 00:45:00,400
forward for f further

936
00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:02,000
evaluation um so and I'll go into each

937
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:05,400
of these in more detail but the three

938
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:08,319
scenarios were um keeping a single

939
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:11,680
service area for the entire County but

940
00:45:08,319 --> 00:45:14,119
then adding an overlay Zone to that and

941
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:18,040
I'll go into detail by what I into what

942
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:20,559
I actually mean by that um scenario two

943
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:23,079
would be uh looking at an option that

944
00:45:20,559 --> 00:45:23,760
has two separate service areas within

945
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:27,000
the

946
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:29,240
county and then scenario three would be

947
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:33,160
maintaining the current conditions what

948
00:45:29,240 --> 00:45:36,319
is um what what ACD has today with just

949
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:39,079
a single service area for the entire

950
00:45:36,319 --> 00:45:41,440
County so I'll go into a little bit more

951
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:43,040
detail about what actually each of these

952
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:47,400
scenarios would look

953
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:50,040
like so the first is um a single service

954
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:53,079
area but with an overlay

955
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:56,520
Zone and so in this scenario there would

956
00:45:53,079 --> 00:46:00,839
be one service area for the whole County

957
00:45:56,520 --> 00:46:03,440
so a single set of projects that every

958
00:46:00,839 --> 00:46:04,599
um every development in the county would

959
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:09,280
pay

960
00:46:04,599 --> 00:46:11,599
into however within the overlay Zone and

961
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:13,960
you could see that overlay Zone defined

962
00:46:11,599 --> 00:46:17,559
in Orange there which sort of

963
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:20,240
encompasses downtown Boise uh the North

964
00:46:17,559 --> 00:46:23,480
End the East End outside of downtown

965
00:46:20,240 --> 00:46:26,079
Boise and then goes south um into the

966
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:28,559
southeast neighborhood association as

967
00:46:26,079 --> 00:46:29,720
well as cap captures uh the Boise State

968
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:33,640
University

969
00:46:29,720 --> 00:46:36,400
campus within that overlay Zone the

970
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:39,680
impact fees in that area would for

971
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:43,720
development would be reduced because the

972
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:48,160
data showed that development within that

973
00:46:43,720 --> 00:46:51,040
area has a fewer number of vehicle trips

974
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:52,599
and also the vehicle trips it does have

975
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:55,960
our shorter

976
00:46:52,599 --> 00:46:58,839
trips um so that's what this scenario

977
00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,839
would be

978
00:46:59,240 --> 00:47:05,040
I'll pause for questions on that or if

979
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:09,160
that makes sense I can move

980
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:12,319
on I had thoughts again to

981
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,880
having I don't know I I helped me

982
00:47:12,319 --> 00:47:18,160
complete the thought if you would

983
00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:21,119
because we I'm trying to um I don't know

984
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:24,240
if it's analogous to like a park impact

985
00:47:21,119 --> 00:47:28,319
fee where and I know most of the cities

986
00:47:24,240 --> 00:47:31,119
have those where it's kind of um divided

987
00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:33,319
into Regional Parks everybody goes to

988
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:35,520
Regional Parks so part of your fee is

989
00:47:33,319 --> 00:47:39,640
for the is for the regional

990
00:47:35,520 --> 00:47:44,960
park community and neighborhood so the

991
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:48,400
total sum is um and I kind of see this

992
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:51,800
as where everybody pays and this isn't

993
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:54,119
really accurate but like an arterial fee

994
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:56,119
and then some areas their their their

995
00:47:54,119 --> 00:47:58,520
the nature of their local traffic is

996
00:47:56,119 --> 00:48:01,599
different that they would pay something

997
00:47:58,520 --> 00:48:04,480
different for that overlay because

998
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:07,520
it's travel characteristics are are more

999
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:09,480
localized or impacts are more localized

1000
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,440
does that make sense I don't know it's

1001
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:14,119
an interesting

1002
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:16,680
analogy um and I think I mean I think

1003
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:20,240
there are some some analogies that can

1004
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:23,160
be drawn there so but it it is slightly

1005
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:25,839
different because so they if you look at

1006
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:27,319
what is the equation that makes up a

1007
00:48:25,839 --> 00:48:29,440
city's Park fee

1008
00:48:27,319 --> 00:48:32,040
like you said it's going to have maybe a

1009
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:33,680
regional park component it's going to

1010
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:36,640
have a neighborhood park component and

1011
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:39,960
maybe it has something else um when you

1012
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:44,680
look at traffic impact fees the equation

1013
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:47,160
that goes into impact fees has number of

1014
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:51,200
trips no well maybe I'll clarify number

1015
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:53,720
of vehicle trips it's got trip length so

1016
00:48:51,200 --> 00:48:56,040
how long are those trips and then it's

1017
00:48:53,720 --> 00:48:58,880
got a few other factors such as that you

1018
00:48:56,040 --> 00:49:02,599
know how much on Ada County Roads versus

1019
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:06,000
itd roads so it is what we're doing is

1020
00:49:02,599 --> 00:49:10,079
saying there's two components of that

1021
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:13,200
equation that data shows within this

1022
00:49:10,079 --> 00:49:15,599
area their components of that equation

1023
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:18,559
are much lower than elsewhere in the

1024
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:20,960
county and in fact if you add the number

1025
00:49:18,559 --> 00:49:24,799
of vehicle trips and the trip length

1026
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:26,839
together it's sort of a 26% reduction

1027
00:49:24,799 --> 00:49:29,599
that you get compared to what we found

1028
00:49:26,839 --> 00:49:32,079
from the travel data elsewhere in the

1029
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:34,280
county can you go back a slide I just

1030
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:38,280
want absolutely was gonna

1031
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:40,240
ask is there like a scenario 2A that

1032
00:49:38,280 --> 00:49:42,200
would have service areas and maybe one

1033
00:49:40,240 --> 00:49:44,160
or some of them would have an overlay

1034
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:46,839
within that service area or do we just

1035
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:51,440
the data just doesn't support

1036
00:49:46,839 --> 00:49:54,720
that uh you could do that I

1037
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:57,280
guess you could do the two service area

1038
00:49:54,720 --> 00:50:00,000
model and in the

1039
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:02,760
I guess the East service area which

1040
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:06,720
includes downtown Boise you could also

1041
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:09,000
you could add a an over South the North

1042
00:50:06,720 --> 00:50:11,480
include downtown I couldn't quite the

1043
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:16,200
north the north does include downtown

1044
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:18,760
the north south one that 0 yeah yeah

1045
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:21,480
yeah so yeah there's I guess there's

1046
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:23,680
nothing preventing you from doing that

1047
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:26,119
it just you know the more you do the

1048
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:27,799
more complexity you introduce but that

1049
00:50:26,119 --> 00:50:30,599
they they they could be combined they

1050
00:50:27,799 --> 00:50:34,119
absolutely could be combined if that was

1051
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:37,640
I just didn't know what desired

1052
00:50:34,119 --> 00:50:42,240
yeah okay any other questions from the

1053
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:42,240
committee on this concept of an overlay

1054
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:51,480
zone no all right so moving on so the

1055
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:53,119
next scenario would be a two surface

1056
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:56,240
area

1057
00:50:53,119 --> 00:50:59,160
scenario excuse me my voice is going to

1058
00:50:56,240 --> 00:51:01,720
start to give out here um and in this

1059
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:05,200
scenario there would be two distinct

1060
00:51:01,720 --> 00:51:07,720
service areas within the county um they

1061
00:51:05,200 --> 00:51:11,440
each would have their own set of

1062
00:51:07,720 --> 00:51:14,720
projects different projects um only

1063
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:17,240
development within the given service

1064
00:51:14,720 --> 00:51:19,720
area so you know within the West service

1065
00:51:17,240 --> 00:51:22,520
area only development within the West

1066
00:51:19,720 --> 00:51:23,960
would pay into those West projects and

1067
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:28,040
same for the

1068
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:30,760
East um and the but the reason we felt

1069
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:32,000
this was a feasible scenario to carry

1070
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:35,559
forward for

1071
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:38,920
evaluation is because it was supported

1072
00:51:35,559 --> 00:51:42,280
by that internal capture data where this

1073
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:45,079
was really the only breakdown within the

1074
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:48,520
county besides including the county as a

1075
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:51,559
whole that had balance in that internal

1076
00:51:48,520 --> 00:51:53,040
capture between the two sub regions

1077
00:51:51,559 --> 00:51:56,640
thank you so much

1078
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:58,680
Stacey um and then in addition to that

1079
00:51:56,640 --> 00:52:01,040
when we go when we went back all the way

1080
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:03,880
to that trip length data you might

1081
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:06,119
remember there was definite differences

1082
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:08,440
between the East portion of the county

1083
00:52:06,119 --> 00:52:11,160
and then the West portion of the county

1084
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:13,799
in terms of how long the average trip

1085
00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:17,319
length was and maybe I'll just flash

1086
00:52:13,799 --> 00:52:19,920
back there quickly so you can see it so

1087
00:52:17,319 --> 00:52:22,000
you might rem or sorry there's trip

1088
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:24,839
length and then there was also mod share

1089
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:27,319
sorry that's what I meant to say in mod

1090
00:52:24,839 --> 00:52:30,000
share there is definitely a difference

1091
00:52:27,319 --> 00:52:33,040
where you could see the Eastern portion

1092
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:36,000
of the county um showed up lighter on

1093
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:38,880
this map meaning it had uh a lower

1094
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:41,839
percentage of vehicle mode share versus

1095
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:45,040
the Western portion of the

1096
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:47,280
county so that would be this um this

1097
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:49,280
scenario for

1098
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:52,839
evaluation

1099
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:56,480
yes and I'm not suggesting doing it why

1100
00:52:52,839 --> 00:52:56,480
not a North Sou

1101
00:52:57,319 --> 00:53:02,119
great question yeah because I was

1102
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:05,720
thinking the same thing is remind me why

1103
00:53:02,119 --> 00:53:08,359
we should balance trip capture okay yeah

1104
00:53:05,720 --> 00:53:10,960
same thing yeah y yeah so let's go back

1105
00:53:08,359 --> 00:53:14,240
to these so because North and South if

1106
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:17,079
you look at number two are are different

1107
00:53:14,240 --> 00:53:19,799
which kind of leans

1108
00:53:17,079 --> 00:53:22,040
toward a north south break for two

1109
00:53:19,799 --> 00:53:24,079
service yes

1110
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:27,000
so

1111
00:53:24,079 --> 00:53:30,160
um and maybe

1112
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:32,160
maybe we shouldn't be looking at areas

1113
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:34,960
that are different within the county we

1114
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:38,920
want to look at areas that are

1115
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:40,680
consistent within the county um that's

1116
00:53:38,920 --> 00:53:43,160
really what we want to be looking fors

1117
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:45,400
me around to want split it that's a

1118
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:47,920
great question that is absolutely a

1119
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,000
great question so maybe I'll just I'll

1120
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:53,200
reiterate this again hopefully this

1121
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:55,280
helps so if we were to split it and this

1122
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:58,440
is again just looking at internal

1123
00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:01,160
capture data um which is just one but if

1124
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:04,319
we were to split it north south and have

1125
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:07,720
that purple and blue be the service

1126
00:54:04,319 --> 00:54:10,880
areas north and south what you would do

1127
00:54:07,720 --> 00:54:13,720
is establish what Transportation

1128
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:15,680
projects are needed in that North Region

1129
00:54:13,720 --> 00:54:17,400
and what Transportation projects are

1130
00:54:15,680 --> 00:54:21,799
needed in that South

1131
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:24,160
Region but when you do that only the

1132
00:54:21,799 --> 00:54:26,880
projects only the development in the

1133
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:29,920
North Region would pay for projects in

1134
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:32,559
the North Region and only development in

1135
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:36,200
the South Region would pay for projects

1136
00:54:32,559 --> 00:54:40,240
in the South Region and when you look at

1137
00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:43,119
that from is development paying for its

1138
00:54:40,240 --> 00:54:47,119
proportional fair share what these

1139
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:50,960
numbers tell me is there is almost

1140
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:54,200
48% almost half of the trips within that

1141
00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:57,680
South Region drive to and from the North

1142
00:54:54,200 --> 00:55:00,480
Region and so they are you know driving

1143
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:02,359
the need for projects in that region as

1144
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:05,000
well because that's where they're going

1145
00:55:02,359 --> 00:55:07,319
to and from every day but they wouldn't

1146
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,200
be paying for those Regional projects

1147
00:55:07,319 --> 00:55:11,599
because they they'd only be paying for

1148
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:15,640
localized projects in the South and the

1149
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:17,799
converse to that which is and people see

1150
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:21,240
the same thing two different

1151
00:55:17,799 --> 00:55:23,920
ways is that the

1152
00:55:21,240 --> 00:55:26,839
north even though

1153
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:29,240
20% go outside

1154
00:55:26,839 --> 00:55:32,119
if it was a single District they're

1155
00:55:29,240 --> 00:55:35,280
paying 100% I mean they're paying for

1156
00:55:32,119 --> 00:55:37,280
everything even so that's the other way

1157
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:39,960
the other side of the coin so if I'm

1158
00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:42,119
looking at this North Region I would

1159
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:44,520
love it to be its own service area that

1160
00:55:42,119 --> 00:55:46,960
looks great it's a very high internal

1161
00:55:44,520 --> 00:55:48,839
percentage that looks great right except

1162
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:52,920
then when you look at the South and it's

1163
00:55:48,839 --> 00:55:57,359
only 52 if the north was 80 in this

1164
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:59,760
scenario and the South was say 70%

1165
00:55:57,359 --> 00:56:01,760
then that becomes the M much more

1166
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:04,920
realistic scenario as opposed to

1167
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:07,760
dividing it e east west but that's just

1168
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:10,680
not what the data is showing um the

1169
00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:14,000
development in that southern portion is

1170
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:18,240
going to destinations outside of it all

1171
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:23,280
the time so that's the concern we

1172
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:26,480
had okay got it if I yeah there's

1173
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:29,160
micron's 155 billion

1174
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:33,920
development pay impact

1175
00:56:29,160 --> 00:56:33,920
Fe I'll let Megan answer that

1176
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:40,599
question yes we do calculate inps for

1177
00:56:39,079 --> 00:56:44,119
all the development that's happening at

1178
00:56:40,599 --> 00:56:46,880
Micron they did have a credit that they

1179
00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:49,240
recently used the remainder of the

1180
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:52,240
credit so everything moving forward we

1181
00:56:49,240 --> 00:56:54,200
are assessing and they are paying their

1182
00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:57,200
fair share according to our current

1183
00:56:54,200 --> 00:57:00,119
impact ordinance big book

1184
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:01,839
yeah they're big projects so yes but

1185
00:57:00,119 --> 00:57:04,520
they are they are paying for their

1186
00:57:01,839 --> 00:57:07,520
development okay yeah that's a good

1187
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:09,839
example of a large

1188
00:57:07,520 --> 00:57:11,559
attractor where if they felt it was in

1189
00:57:09,839 --> 00:57:14,480
their best interest they would do a

1190
00:57:11,559 --> 00:57:18,039
study to see how many trips are on the

1191
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:22,720
interstate versus ACD roads right I just

1192
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:25,280
to show the there's a lot of math yeah

1193
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:27,280
that make it FKS have to deal with

1194
00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:28,839
conest the freeway is going to get and

1195
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:31,079
what the results going to be pushing

1196
00:57:28,839 --> 00:57:34,039
everybody out on Mike do you have a

1197
00:57:31,079 --> 00:57:34,039
formula for that

1198
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:39,520
Al that's what we call the Doomsday

1199
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:43,400
scenario

1200
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:48,319
Peter Interstate goes okay belly

1201
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:51,680
up so um yeah so again wanted to

1202
00:57:48,319 --> 00:57:54,200
highlight the two piece uh portions of

1203
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:57,240
data that were driving the support of

1204
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,720
this as a scenario are that that

1205
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,599
internal capture that we just talked

1206
00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:04,280
about but also the mode share where we

1207
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:06,359
did see a difference between you know

1208
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:08,880
probably about an 8% difference on

1209
00:58:06,359 --> 00:58:10,599
average between the Moocher and the

1210
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:12,599
Eastern portion of the county and then

1211
00:58:10,599 --> 00:58:15,240
the Western portion of the

1212
00:58:12,599 --> 00:58:17,839
county and then so finally the third

1213
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:19,440
scenario that we recommended moving

1214
00:58:17,839 --> 00:58:22,119
forward for

1215
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:24,520
evaluation was you know what H

1216
00:58:22,119 --> 00:58:26,839
maintaining that single service area you

1217
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:29,839
know we we just talked about an example

1218
00:58:26,839 --> 00:58:32,280
of you have a large employer that is

1219
00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:34,200
probably driving trips from uh or

1220
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:37,520
generating trips from all across the

1221
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:40,000
county um this is important to have not

1222
00:58:37,520 --> 00:58:42,160
only as a baseline comparison um when

1223
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:44,280
we're comparing these other scenarios

1224
00:58:42,160 --> 00:58:46,200
but it is also supported by the data

1225
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:49,319
when you look at that what is

1226
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:51,520
functioning as a system you can say with

1227
00:58:49,319 --> 00:58:55,280
confidence that the county as a whole is

1228
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:57,880
functioning as a system where 90% of the

1229
00:58:55,280 --> 00:59:01,520
trips are contained within the

1230
00:58:57,880 --> 00:59:04,760
county um so this was the third scenario

1231
00:59:01,520 --> 00:59:07,680
we recommended to move forward for

1232
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:10,520
evaluation um and so that's we we

1233
00:59:07,680 --> 00:59:14,160
presented this to the commission um like

1234
00:59:10,520 --> 00:59:16,559
I said at the end of May um they

1235
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:18,799
supported moving these three potential

1236
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:24,480
scenarios forward for

1237
00:59:18,799 --> 00:59:27,079
evaluation we were we have been um

1238
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:30,839
evaluating them based on sort of these

1239
00:59:27,079 --> 00:59:32,880
four top bullets here how well are they

1240
00:59:30,839 --> 00:59:36,359
supported by this engineering and

1241
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:38,799
planning data what happens in the three

1242
00:59:36,359 --> 00:59:42,280
scenarios in terms of the resultant

1243
00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:46,119
projects and fees that materialize under

1244
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:49,920
each um how may each of these scenarios

1245
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:52,960
impact the implementation and timing of

1246
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:56,119
of actually implementing projects from

1247
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:58,559
the capital Improvement plan and then

1248
00:59:56,119 --> 01:00:01,359
what are the differences in terms of

1249
00:59:58,559 --> 01:00:03,680
administration cost and complexities to

1250
01:00:01,359 --> 01:00:06,359
ACD for each of these

1251
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:10,000
scenarios um you know I'm sure you all

1252
01:00:06,359 --> 01:00:12,599
are aware that no matter what ACD does

1253
01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:15,280
the local agencies and developers have

1254
01:00:12,599 --> 01:00:17,680
questions about the fees why are my fees

1255
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:20,440
this way why are different City's fees a

1256
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:22,640
different way potentially and so how do

1257
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:25,760
we evaluate each of these three

1258
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:28,039
scenarios based on these and so I don't

1259
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:30,119
how a lot of answers for you on the

1260
01:00:28,039 --> 01:00:32,880
results of this evaluation yet that's

1261
01:00:30,119 --> 01:00:35,520
what we're currently doing um and the

1262
01:00:32,880 --> 01:00:38,599
goal is to present that evaluation back

1263
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:42,280
to the commission uh in mid

1264
01:00:38,599 --> 01:00:44,799
July but um we would love any of your

1265
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:47,200
input or questions as we go through this

1266
01:00:44,799 --> 01:00:50,079
evaluation to make sure that feeds into

1267
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:54,000
what we present back to the

1268
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:56,960
commission so Sonia one

1269
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,440
question because we're countywi we we we

1270
01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:00,880
think

1271
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:04,160
big but a lot of those other

1272
01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:06,400
jurisdictions initial research or cities

1273
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:08,920
you know they're

1274
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:10,400
smaller and I'm thinking of obviously

1275
01:01:08,920 --> 01:01:13,640
I'm representing

1276
01:01:10,400 --> 01:01:14,839
Boise totally out of scale to Meridian

1277
01:01:13,640 --> 01:01:18,319
Star and

1278
01:01:14,839 --> 01:01:20,000
Cuna but as those cities downtowns grow

1279
01:01:18,319 --> 01:01:23,599
just the fact that they're not their own

1280
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,599
census tract is that kind

1281
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:30,760
of diluting their their special

1282
01:01:28,039 --> 01:01:33,240
characteristics to a larger census tract

1283
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:36,319
whereas if they were their own downtown

1284
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:40,680
overlay that they may you may

1285
01:01:36,319 --> 01:01:44,240
find um data comparable to just a a

1286
01:01:40,680 --> 01:01:47,280
common common

1287
01:01:44,240 --> 01:01:49,680
characteristics to other downtowns small

1288
01:01:47,280 --> 01:01:54,279
or big does that make sense it does make

1289
01:01:49,680 --> 01:01:58,160
sense it's a great question um because I

1290
01:01:54,279 --> 01:01:58,160
like to see like a small business in

1291
01:01:58,359 --> 01:02:05,559
Cuna just be treated like anything you

1292
01:02:01,839 --> 01:02:08,839
know um whereas it might just draw from

1293
01:02:05,559 --> 01:02:11,599
a that service area I mean it might have

1294
01:02:08,839 --> 01:02:16,559
short trip lengths and any anyway but

1295
01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:20,160
we'd never see it because we're our

1296
01:02:16,559 --> 01:02:22,680
minimum analytical unit is census trct

1297
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:26,240
is that is that an accurate I I don't

1298
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:29,680
know if our minimum data source is

1299
01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:31,279
census truck maybe Mark you could we

1300
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:34,520
could we pull data more refined than

1301
01:02:31,279 --> 01:02:36,520
census truck block grou or we can I

1302
01:02:34,520 --> 01:02:39,640
think our only hesitation is just like

1303
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:42,520
the certainty of the data sure isn't as

1304
01:02:39,640 --> 01:02:45,960
good platform

1305
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:48,240
right I think though the to answer or to

1306
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:53,279
maybe provide some thought on your

1307
01:02:48,240 --> 01:02:56,640
question Trisha yeah one what we do now

1308
01:02:53,279 --> 01:03:00,160
doesn't prevent future

1309
01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:03,240
overlay zones happening in the future um

1310
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:06,440
those could be created I think though as

1311
01:03:03,240 --> 01:03:09,319
you look at what is the criteria for an

1312
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:11,799
overlay Zone one would need to be a

1313
01:03:09,319 --> 01:03:14,440
clear demonstration that it is it's

1314
01:03:11,799 --> 01:03:18,240
travel characteristics are unique yeah

1315
01:03:14,440 --> 01:03:19,920
but two I think you also need to look at

1316
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:22,400
uh there needs to be some sort of

1317
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:25,440
critical mass right I don't know if we

1318
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:27,839
would recommend one single census track

1319
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:30,680
as an overlay zone right there needs to

1320
01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:33,760
be sort of a critical mass of land use

1321
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:35,559
pattern that defines it um and then the

1322
01:03:33,760 --> 01:03:37,079
final thing I'll add and maybe Megan

1323
01:03:35,559 --> 01:03:40,200
this is what you're chiming me to say so

1324
01:03:37,079 --> 01:03:42,799
I apologize is there is nothing that

1325
01:03:40,200 --> 01:03:45,640
prevents that small business in downtown

1326
01:03:42,799 --> 01:03:48,039
Cuna from taking advantage even if they

1327
01:03:45,640 --> 01:03:49,760
weren't considered an overlay Zone from

1328
01:03:48,039 --> 01:03:52,400
taking advantage of some of that other

1329
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:55,480
flexibility that's already within the

1330
01:03:52,400 --> 01:03:58,119
impact fee policy to work with ACD as

1331
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:59,960
they too so well I was thinking more of

1332
01:03:58,119 --> 01:04:02,279
the smaller towns could do their own

1333
01:03:59,960 --> 01:04:04,480
individual assessment because a little

1334
01:04:02,279 --> 01:04:08,200
business isn't going to be able to do

1335
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:10,440
that yeah and that is that's where we

1336
01:04:08,200 --> 01:04:13,039
would really um have the best

1337
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:15,400
opportunity to meet their needs is as

1338
01:04:13,039 --> 01:04:18,119
every impact the assessment comes into

1339
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:20,640
to my team even without them asking for

1340
01:04:18,119 --> 01:04:23,720
an individual assessment we'll catch

1341
01:04:20,640 --> 01:04:25,200
things like that and just depending on

1342
01:04:23,720 --> 01:04:28,359
where it's developed what kind of a

1343
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:30,640
business is what's the draw going to be

1344
01:04:28,359 --> 01:04:34,160
is it going to be a

1345
01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:36,200
small uh you know little Main Street

1346
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:38,359
kind of a business that no one from

1347
01:04:36,200 --> 01:04:40,520
Southeast boisee is gonna drive to this

1348
01:04:38,359 --> 01:04:42,279
business I'm not going to guyo and

1349
01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:44,720
anymore

1350
01:04:42,279 --> 01:04:47,200
sadly yeah so that that's really the

1351
01:04:44,720 --> 01:04:49,920
best way to meet those individual needs

1352
01:04:47,200 --> 01:04:52,839
because as we're developing the CIP we

1353
01:04:49,920 --> 01:04:55,200
do have to look at it on a larger scale

1354
01:04:52,839 --> 01:04:57,240
either countywide or with these

1355
01:04:55,200 --> 01:05:00,599
different service areas and the the

1356
01:04:57,240 --> 01:05:02,680
overlays that are currently um an option

1357
01:05:00,599 --> 01:05:05,920
for US based on the data that we're

1358
01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:09,039
seeing but we my team that is definitely

1359
01:05:05,920 --> 01:05:11,160
our job to to meet with those people

1360
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:13,359
individually as they bring questions to

1361
01:05:11,160 --> 01:05:17,160
us or even to just catch it and reach

1362
01:05:13,359 --> 01:05:19,799
out to them and say this is the category

1363
01:05:17,160 --> 01:05:21,279
that we have on the sheet but let's talk

1364
01:05:19,799 --> 01:05:24,400
more about your business I'm not sure if

1365
01:05:21,279 --> 01:05:26,160
that's a good fit so so we do have the

1366
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,480
flexibility to already

1367
01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:30,720
um meet those needs even with our

1368
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:32,799
current impa coordinates Madam chair

1369
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:34,400
down down that line I think you would

1370
01:05:32,799 --> 01:05:37,000
find I don't think that it would be

1371
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:40,720
supported by census

1372
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:44,200
data but the western side of the county

1373
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:47,319
in that two uh East West

1374
01:05:44,200 --> 01:05:50,400
scenario it wouldn't be a downtown it

1375
01:05:47,319 --> 01:05:55,160
would be the St

1376
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:56,640
Luke's uh and Village complex I mean

1377
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:58,319
that would be

1378
01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,599
about as close as you could get to

1379
01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:02,559
something that would equate to a

1380
01:05:59,599 --> 01:06:03,920
downtown boisey in terms of but I don't

1381
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:05,720
know that that would be supported by

1382
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:08,640
Census Data because the population

1383
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:13,400
within some of those areas it's all it's

1384
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:14,839
all employment uh so it gets no gets a

1385
01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:17,480
little

1386
01:06:14,839 --> 01:06:20,480
messy well it doesn't get messy it's

1387
01:06:17,480 --> 01:06:22,720
just how refined you want to be you know

1388
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:26,079
that's all I'm just kind

1389
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:27,839
of because everybody's growing really

1390
01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:30,119
little towns anymore you know what I

1391
01:06:27,839 --> 01:06:30,880
mean and at some point if there's a a

1392
01:06:30,119 --> 01:06:34,319
way

1393
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:36,480
to define the criteria for the

1394
01:06:34,319 --> 01:06:38,119
overlay when you mentioned I actually

1395
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:39,520
wrote it down but I don't know exactly

1396
01:06:38,119 --> 01:06:41,920
what they are and I don't need to know

1397
01:06:39,520 --> 01:06:45,960
right now but I think that will be

1398
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:48,440
important to know why other areas don't

1399
01:06:45,960 --> 01:06:51,000
qualify yeah but they may in the futy

1400
01:06:48,440 --> 01:06:56,079
yet but they may in the fut

1401
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:58,680
exactly mam chair sure follow to Mike's

1402
01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:59,520
statement I mean that's those centers

1403
01:06:58,680 --> 01:07:02,119
the

1404
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:05,640
village and these employment centers

1405
01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:07,680
generate an incredible trips oh yeah

1406
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:10,559
right and that's what we're going to see

1407
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:13,279
more of I think sen scatter and then the

1408
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:15,279
second question I had was so is there

1409
01:07:13,279 --> 01:07:18,640
interaction with each

1410
01:07:15,279 --> 01:07:22,079
City on you know where they're seeing

1411
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:23,559
their growth and even their zoning C boy

1412
01:07:22,079 --> 01:07:25,720
just went through reone right that's all

1413
01:07:23,559 --> 01:07:28,039
going to impact some of the stuff but as

1414
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:31,599
you are putting together this package is

1415
01:07:28,039 --> 01:07:35,279
there interaction with the the

1416
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:39,720
cities so I think that Edon you can

1417
01:07:35,279 --> 01:07:42,440
chime in but obviously the the key data

1418
01:07:39,720 --> 01:07:45,440
point that we use as we're drafting

1419
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:48,880
these projects and then resulting fees

1420
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:51,720
is the compass travel demand model and

1421
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:54,319
that model of course gets updated all

1422
01:07:51,720 --> 01:07:56,119
the time with input from each individual

1423
01:07:54,319 --> 01:07:58,640
land use agency

1424
01:07:56,119 --> 01:08:01,240
within the county and you know is

1425
01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:03,240
adapted when rezoning happens when new

1426
01:08:01,240 --> 01:08:06,039
zoning happens that sort of thing so I

1427
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:08,160
think that's that that's the sort of

1428
01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:09,400
foundational document that where that

1429
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:12,480
gets

1430
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:15,279
Incorporated mam chair and yeah right

1431
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:19,480
now uh so right now we're looking at the

1432
01:08:15,279 --> 01:08:22,120
data as a uh as all the trips and view

1433
01:08:19,480 --> 01:08:23,960
in it because we're trying to provide

1434
01:08:22,120 --> 01:08:25,799
what do scenario analysis is to the

1435
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:28,000
commission see what path they would like

1436
01:08:25,799 --> 01:08:30,080
to take it if we end up in a single

1437
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:32,120
service area with the overlay Zone

1438
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:34,159
absolutely we'll Define those criterias

1439
01:08:32,120 --> 01:08:37,239
and start looking at in more broader

1440
01:08:34,159 --> 01:08:39,560
more more detail scale like the land use

1441
01:08:37,239 --> 01:08:42,279
components certainly the compass data

1442
01:08:39,560 --> 01:08:44,279
takes takes in to takes into account a

1443
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:46,279
lot of the land use assumptions that

1444
01:08:44,279 --> 01:08:48,640
they have on their comprehensive plans

1445
01:08:46,279 --> 01:08:51,440
the entitlements that they have approved

1446
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,880
so as we start looking and reviewing it

1447
01:08:51,440 --> 01:08:55,040
more in detail we're certainly Define

1448
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,239
those CR and bring it back for GE for

1449
01:08:55,040 --> 01:08:59,040
the C

1450
01:08:56,239 --> 01:09:02,560
as well so um all that information will

1451
01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:04,759
take into consideration or if the if the

1452
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:07,640
out is the one that we decid to do for

1453
01:09:04,759 --> 01:09:10,279
with yeah I mean our perspective is one

1454
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,799
thing and there's some of us around the

1455
01:09:10,279 --> 01:09:16,719
table that are far

1456
01:09:11,799 --> 01:09:18,799
more educated and informed on the topics

1457
01:09:16,719 --> 01:09:21,359
but I'm just talking about as far as the

1458
01:09:18,799 --> 01:09:23,520
city with economic development people

1459
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:26,839
and planners you know the city of boisey

1460
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:29,359
right now all just from my observation

1461
01:09:26,839 --> 01:09:31,120
they're they're not really excited about

1462
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:34,279
annexation right so that's going to

1463
01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:36,640
change a lot of the perspective for the

1464
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:38,719
time being and just wondering how that

1465
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:41,759
might

1466
01:09:38,719 --> 01:09:43,440
influence you know the areas of that

1467
01:09:41,759 --> 01:09:46,960
we're talking about splitting up two or

1468
01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:49,920
four one Etc makes sense if you'll

1469
01:09:46,960 --> 01:09:54,120
indulge me a few minutes because

1470
01:09:49,920 --> 01:09:57,239
I I'm a I guess I'm a geek but I find

1471
01:09:54,120 --> 01:10:00,239
the the demog graphic information at the

1472
01:09:57,239 --> 01:10:02,840
traffic Zone level to be incredibly

1473
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:04,600
important that it be good and so does

1474
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:07,560
compass and so do the people who manage

1475
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:11,560
those models and that's why every year

1476
01:10:07,560 --> 01:10:14,400
they um they reconcile it with the land

1477
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:16,000
use decision so they make sure land use

1478
01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:18,400
decisions aren't going one way and the

1479
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:21,280
model data is different than that and

1480
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:24,040
that gets to um particularly households

1481
01:10:21,280 --> 01:10:27,280
and employment in each traffic Zone I

1482
01:10:24,040 --> 01:10:29,920
have to think with m expansion plans

1483
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:32,120
that has been plugged in at that those

1484
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:34,000
traffic zones and then that gets fed

1485
01:10:32,120 --> 01:10:39,040
into the model so those trips get

1486
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:42,000
accounted for um and because I

1487
01:10:39,040 --> 01:10:44,000
uh you have to I always try to describe

1488
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:45,719
to people you have to it's like a movie

1489
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,920
it's like 3D but you have to put the

1490
01:10:45,719 --> 01:10:51,040
fourth dimension of Time how is this

1491
01:10:47,920 --> 01:10:53,040
area growing and how is it how are the

1492
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:55,520
growth centers changing around the

1493
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:59,000
county I look at the whole two count

1494
01:10:55,520 --> 01:11:02,800
area um that's why I did ask and I us to

1495
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:05,640
always do it when I had GIS support is I

1496
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:08,320
like to look at the the traffic Zone

1497
01:11:05,640 --> 01:11:11,040
level not to look at the weeds but to

1498
01:11:08,320 --> 01:11:13,040
look at that overall spatial pattern of

1499
01:11:11,040 --> 01:11:16,040
growth throughout adaa County where are

1500
01:11:13,040 --> 01:11:18,280
the the job centers where are the you

1501
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:20,679
know you can easily show that on a map

1502
01:11:18,280 --> 01:11:22,440
so I had the that was my cost to the

1503
01:11:20,679 --> 01:11:25,000
city for being on this committee I want

1504
01:11:22,440 --> 01:11:27,080
to see that map because that tells a

1505
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:31,000
better story of kind of what you're

1506
01:11:27,080 --> 01:11:34,640
getting at is the volume and lo location

1507
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:38,440
of these hotspots over the next 20 years

1508
01:11:34,640 --> 01:11:41,040
and um anyway so I they humored me and I

1509
01:11:38,440 --> 01:11:43,880
you know it's obviously more to the west

1510
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:46,480
of the county now but there's still um

1511
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:49,040
because of just the the density

1512
01:11:46,480 --> 01:11:53,480
differences in Boise from other folks it

1513
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:56,239
it does still account for a significant

1514
01:11:53,480 --> 01:11:58,920
volume of growth it's just a smaller

1515
01:11:56,239 --> 01:12:00,800
footprint than than other areas and

1516
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:03,199
that's just because they're just

1517
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:05,360
different you know Madam chair the fact

1518
01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:07,320
that we're we're dealing with a moment

1519
01:12:05,360 --> 01:12:09,400
in time that will be reviewed a few

1520
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:12,679
years down the line and this process

1521
01:12:09,400 --> 01:12:15,239
will will take a look all these changes

1522
01:12:12,679 --> 01:12:17,719
right but it's been really enlightening

1523
01:12:15,239 --> 01:12:19,840
for me to have now seen this

1524
01:12:17,719 --> 01:12:21,880
presentation twice because I think a few

1525
01:12:19,840 --> 01:12:24,400
meetings ago we got into this discussion

1526
01:12:21,880 --> 01:12:26,920
of multiple zones without quite

1527
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:29,120
considering the implications of how

1528
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:32,600
those dollars can best be

1529
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:35,800
used and by if we split it down to a

1530
01:12:32,600 --> 01:12:38,679
point where it we trapped money that

1531
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:41,400
can't physically be used for the broader

1532
01:12:38,679 --> 01:12:44,960
picture I think that would be a mistake

1533
01:12:41,400 --> 01:12:47,639
at least to this point in time so from

1534
01:12:44,960 --> 01:12:50,679
my perspective and I would move that we

1535
01:12:47,639 --> 01:12:52,719
actually endorse the the three concepts

1536
01:12:50,679 --> 01:12:56,480
that have been suggested here today to

1537
01:12:52,719 --> 01:12:59,199
be evaluated as has done the Mission so

1538
01:12:56,480 --> 01:13:00,960
that by the middle of July that we have

1539
01:12:59,199 --> 01:13:04,400
a better picture of how all of these

1540
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:07,639
factors play into it uh so I would move

1541
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:10,840
that we endorse these three scenarios

1542
01:13:07,639 --> 01:13:10,840
for further study and

1543
01:13:11,440 --> 01:13:14,800
evaluation okay is there a second we'll

1544
01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:17,280
have

1545
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:19,719
discussion is this an action item for

1546
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:21,520
the agenda can we do this um I don't

1547
01:13:19,719 --> 01:13:23,760
think we do have an action item but I

1548
01:13:21,520 --> 01:13:27,040
think we need to at least Express an

1549
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:30,080
opinion we could provide dire let do

1550
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:31,679
motions but I think this let's just talk

1551
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:34,360
about it for now okay is that all right

1552
01:13:31,679 --> 01:13:35,960
well I I for One support the direction

1553
01:13:34,360 --> 01:13:38,719
so I'll ask the other committee members

1554
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:42,000
how do you um what are your thoughts on

1555
01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:44,280
the can you put the slide back up so

1556
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,280
that'll

1557
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:51,880
help there you go perfect

1558
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:55,719
yeah I have no problem

1559
01:13:51,880 --> 01:13:57,840
yeah look John's thinking

1560
01:13:55,719 --> 01:13:58,960
I guess in general I'm supportive I I

1561
01:13:57,840 --> 01:14:02,159
keep

1562
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:04,080
yeah looking at the stars perspective

1563
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:07,120
you know like Garden City we just don't

1564
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:10,719
have the arterials you

1565
01:14:07,120 --> 01:14:14,880
know like like you know other places do

1566
01:14:10,719 --> 01:14:18,679
right and we're growing into Canyon

1567
01:14:14,880 --> 01:14:21,360
County now so our our trips are outside

1568
01:14:18,679 --> 01:14:25,080
of our data and trying to figure out how

1569
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:27,000
all this is going to impact eventually

1570
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:29,480
once you get down to the finer points of

1571
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:31,520
of developing these

1572
01:14:29,480 --> 01:14:34,560
plans

1573
01:14:31,520 --> 01:14:35,960
I yeah I I'll support moving forward

1574
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:39,280
with these three

1575
01:14:35,960 --> 01:14:42,159
options yeah I support it but I still

1576
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:44,480
want the criteria for the overlay zones

1577
01:14:42,159 --> 01:14:46,480
if there is something in the scenario to

1578
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:50,440
that might qualify so I think if we can

1579
01:14:46,480 --> 01:14:54,239
articulate the criteria for overlay Zone

1580
01:14:50,440 --> 01:14:58,159
and Analysis may show it there may be an

1581
01:14:54,239 --> 01:15:01,679
opportunity for for one in the scenario

1582
01:14:58,159 --> 01:15:03,800
two does that make sense so it may but

1583
01:15:01,679 --> 01:15:06,080
of course the overlay Zone theoretically

1584
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:09,239
is suggesting that that's an area that

1585
01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:12,159
it is deserving of paying less impact

1586
01:15:09,239 --> 01:15:16,199
fees than

1587
01:15:12,159 --> 01:15:18,400
so yeah I meanies it and I get the only

1588
01:15:16,199 --> 01:15:19,960
other history lesson that was admitted

1589
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:22,480
at the beginning and it just dawned on

1590
01:15:19,960 --> 01:15:24,320
me it's there a lot of work that went

1591
01:15:22,480 --> 01:15:29,159
into blueprint for good growth and that

1592
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:29,159
was originally to by ACD because of

1593
01:15:31,159 --> 01:15:36,040
the the the let's just say the capital

1594
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:37,440
budget and the operating budget lines

1595
01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:40,159
are going to cross I think they're

1596
01:15:37,440 --> 01:15:43,600
probably there yet and uh it was if we

1597
01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:46,120
didn't pay attention to how we grew

1598
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:48,760
there there would only be funds for

1599
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:52,159
operation and maintenance and not system

1600
01:15:48,760 --> 01:15:53,199
expansion which is this is systemic you

1601
01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:55,880
know where we where are we going to

1602
01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:58,920
invest dollars to add more roads what's

1603
01:15:55,880 --> 01:16:00,800
the impact and so then you know that's

1604
01:15:58,920 --> 01:16:03,360
why that was that interval of time when

1605
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:06,880
you had multiple service

1606
01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:10,360
areas uh for 10 or so

1607
01:16:06,880 --> 01:16:11,880
years and then it was simplified now

1608
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,840
when listening to the commission

1609
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:16,639
discussion at the work

1610
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:20,040
session I don't think because it's

1611
01:16:16,639 --> 01:16:24,960
simpler doesn't sit well with me that if

1612
01:16:20,040 --> 01:16:27,120
there's a technical reason to to have a

1613
01:16:24,960 --> 01:16:29,520
difference based on the engineering and

1614
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:34,159
planning principles you need to respect

1615
01:16:29,520 --> 01:16:36,679
that um you know I experien with the

1616
01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:38,199
little fire districts in cany County we

1617
01:16:36,679 --> 01:16:39,880
did it because it was the right thing to

1618
01:16:38,199 --> 01:16:42,360
do they needed their impact fee they

1619
01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:44,960
were all different but you had it was a

1620
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:48,320
lot of a lot of analysis that they paid

1621
01:16:44,960 --> 01:16:51,280
for and rolled up to an impact fee

1622
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:53,480
ordinance for for I think six of them

1623
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:55,360
and after the first year we raised over

1624
01:16:53,480 --> 01:16:57,280
a quar million dollars for those fire

1625
01:16:55,360 --> 01:16:59,320
districts now it would have been yeah

1626
01:16:57,280 --> 01:17:02,320
life would have been simpler to just not

1627
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:04,000
even do it but but you had to want to do

1628
01:17:02,320 --> 01:17:07,480
it I guess you had to want to respect

1629
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:08,560
that they had a need that there was for

1630
01:17:07,480 --> 01:17:11,000
those

1631
01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:14,600
districts there was a

1632
01:17:11,000 --> 01:17:16,880
significant financial incentive to them

1633
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:20,000
to have it other other districts didn't

1634
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:23,040
really qualify but you had to want to

1635
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:26,840
get complicated because they needed the

1636
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:26,840
resources or they in this case

1637
01:17:27,080 --> 01:17:33,320
the data supports a different impact

1638
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:35,000
page so and I think two Services just

1639
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:38,000
two service areas versus I think there

1640
01:17:35,000 --> 01:17:43,639
were four in the past that's still

1641
01:17:38,000 --> 01:17:47,600
pretty simple you know for remember yeah

1642
01:17:43,639 --> 01:17:49,600
um for a county this this population

1643
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:51,960
size Road

1644
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:53,239
networks looking at some of the examples

1645
01:17:51,960 --> 01:17:56,000
and the best

1646
01:17:53,239 --> 01:17:58,040
practices now first one city to have

1647
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:59,800
multiple then that makes my head explode

1648
01:17:58,040 --> 01:18:03,199
but

1649
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:04,760
um I think for a size Ada County but I

1650
01:18:03,199 --> 01:18:06,199
would like to see more information on

1651
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:09,840
the overlay zones I think that would

1652
01:18:06,199 --> 01:18:12,840
benefit the jurisdictions to understand

1653
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:12,840
that criteria

1654
01:18:13,679 --> 01:18:17,040
because it is or it isn't you know I

1655
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:20,320
like

1656
01:18:17,040 --> 01:18:23,840
things black and

1657
01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:27,120
white is there any other any other

1658
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:27,120
Reflections on this yeah

1659
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:34,679
Walter your downtown overlay Zone the

1660
01:18:31,080 --> 01:18:38,639
one you're use for an

1661
01:18:34,679 --> 01:18:41,560
example is because they do so little

1662
01:18:38,639 --> 01:18:43,159
tripping outside is that

1663
01:18:41,560 --> 01:18:44,760
correct

1664
01:18:43,159 --> 01:18:47,920
um

1665
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:51,800
no simply sense what's the reason for

1666
01:18:47,920 --> 01:18:55,080
picking downtown because they gen more

1667
01:18:51,800 --> 01:18:59,719
trips happen by walking biking Transit

1668
01:18:55,080 --> 01:19:03,719
in that area and the trips overall are

1669
01:18:59,719 --> 01:19:06,719
significantly shorter than the rest of

1670
01:19:03,719 --> 01:19:09,360
the county skew is it skewed by Boy

1671
01:19:06,719 --> 01:19:11,120
State can I speak that's my neighborhood

1672
01:19:09,360 --> 01:19:13,600
so it's not just downtown but it's a lot

1673
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:16,239
of Southeast yeah you do have Boise

1674
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:18,800
State but there's a lot

1675
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:21,159
of there's a lot of people who live and

1676
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:23,040
work in Boise State in that area but you

1677
01:19:21,159 --> 01:19:25,280
also have a lot of bus routes that serve

1678
01:19:23,040 --> 01:19:28,760
that area as well

1679
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:31,600
uh number two um the Harris rant so that

1680
01:19:28,760 --> 01:19:33,639
as you get closer to Boise State I don't

1681
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:36,400
know if you want to show the map Sonia

1682
01:19:33,639 --> 01:19:37,880
yeah I can you know I can't see a lot of

1683
01:19:36,400 --> 01:19:40,239
detail but I can tell that southern

1684
01:19:37,880 --> 01:19:43,719
boundary has to be Federal Way in the

1685
01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:46,480
bench so you're all kind Boise Avenue is

1686
01:19:43,719 --> 01:19:47,560
it Boise a the curve the curve looks too

1687
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:51,320
curvy

1688
01:19:47,560 --> 01:19:54,239
for yeah I can't uh you might have

1689
01:19:51,320 --> 01:19:55,920
followed oh yes you're right am I right

1690
01:19:54,239 --> 01:19:58,040
okay

1691
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:59,880
because that's a j that's a bench too

1692
01:19:58,040 --> 01:20:02,520
but

1693
01:19:59,880 --> 01:20:07,520
um but it's all of that you know you do

1694
01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:10,000
have um Broadway which is a state

1695
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:12,280
highway so that would be excluded but

1696
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:14,080
there is there is just a lot of there's

1697
01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:17,800
a lot of bikers there's a lot of Walkers

1698
01:20:14,080 --> 01:20:18,920
there's bus riders it's just a it's just

1699
01:20:17,800 --> 01:20:22,000
kind

1700
01:20:18,920 --> 01:20:25,760
of I think a mature transportation

1701
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:29,000
system you know if you look at it from a

1702
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:32,560
Transportation perspective you've got

1703
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:35,639
land use patterns in that area that

1704
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:39,480
there's housing there's jobs and there's

1705
01:20:35,639 --> 01:20:42,120
Services all within a close enough area

1706
01:20:39,480 --> 01:20:45,320
where people can either make those trips

1707
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:47,440
by car but in a very short distance or

1708
01:20:45,320 --> 01:20:49,440
they can make the trips by another mode

1709
01:20:47,440 --> 01:20:52,120
because they're close enough that

1710
01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:56,199
walking or biking Works to make the trip

1711
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:59,040
as well but they are an a tractor

1712
01:20:56,199 --> 01:21:02,960
the fact you got a six Lane interstate

1713
01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:04,639
highway funneling into it and out of it

1714
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:06,320
if it wasn't so many people from the

1715
01:21:04,639 --> 01:21:09,360
rest of the county going in and out of

1716
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:13,320
downtown you wouldn't need the

1717
01:21:09,360 --> 01:21:16,440
connector so so you're bringing up a

1718
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:19,199
very good point that we have somewhat

1719
01:21:16,440 --> 01:21:24,159
glossed over in this presentation that

1720
01:21:19,199 --> 01:21:27,560
when you look at like these Maps so if

1721
01:21:24,159 --> 01:21:30,639
you followed the data perfectly your

1722
01:21:27,560 --> 01:21:34,440
overlay Zone would kind of be a donut

1723
01:21:30,639 --> 01:21:37,199
that excluded downtown itself because

1724
01:21:34,440 --> 01:21:39,480
you're kind of you're right downtown

1725
01:21:37,199 --> 01:21:41,840
there are people driving to there from a

1726
01:21:39,480 --> 01:21:46,159
you know from a fair distance there are

1727
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:49,600
a lot of lot a lot of yeah they they may

1728
01:21:46,159 --> 01:21:53,440
not be traveling within it but to it

1729
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:55,120
flowing AB out of it by the thousands

1730
01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:57,880
every day you're Absol absolutely well

1731
01:21:55,120 --> 01:22:00,480
but the out of it are typically going

1732
01:21:57,880 --> 01:22:02,960
home rather than the trip being

1733
01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:04,239
generated within that area that then

1734
01:22:02,960 --> 01:22:05,560
they had to be they had to have a reason

1735
01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:08,840
to go down there in the first yeah yeah

1736
01:22:05,560 --> 01:22:10,960
no totally correct but trip drive from

1737
01:22:08,840 --> 01:22:13,000
drive from here at at four but they're

1738
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:15,400
not generated try to get down but

1739
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:18,000
they're not generated within that area

1740
01:22:15,400 --> 01:22:20,159
that's the point that the number of

1741
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:22,000
trips generated in that area are not

1742
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:25,080
people that are scattering to the hinter

1743
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:29,120
land it's primarily a funnel or a black

1744
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:32,159
hole in the downtown yeah yeah okay

1745
01:22:29,120 --> 01:22:34,600
anyway yeah no you're right um and this

1746
01:22:32,159 --> 01:22:37,280
gets into that policy decision of what

1747
01:22:34,600 --> 01:22:39,480
makes up an overlay Zone and it kind of

1748
01:22:37,280 --> 01:22:42,000
gets to be that you have to have this

1749
01:22:39,480 --> 01:22:45,120
critical mass of land uses that work

1750
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:47,120
together so your your point is extremely

1751
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:51,040
valid and the data supports your point

1752
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:53,280
100% yeah also that overlay Walter isn't

1753
01:22:51,040 --> 01:22:58,000
just downtown it's actually a small

1754
01:22:53,280 --> 01:23:00,560
portion it goes Way Beyond yeah madear

1755
01:22:58,000 --> 01:23:02,280
yeah and I think with the city school

1756
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:04,560
I'm not sure where they're at now but

1757
01:23:02,280 --> 01:23:07,920
the traffic Zone dat say I think the

1758
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:11,280
goal was 10,000 housing units

1759
01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:13,840
downtown so there's a there's a a lot of

1760
01:23:11,280 --> 01:23:17,840
housing being built that

1761
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:22,040
um I see I can see it you

1762
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:22,040
know lot lot of projects

1763
01:23:23,080 --> 01:23:30,400
so one question yeah gave us some data

1764
01:23:28,040 --> 01:23:32,760
at the previous meeting about the

1765
01:23:30,400 --> 01:23:35,760
internal versus external trips yes is

1766
01:23:32,760 --> 01:23:40,840
that going to factor in in any way so

1767
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:44,120
that was by city right so say that you

1768
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:48,480
went even I'm gonna go to this graphic

1769
01:23:44,120 --> 01:23:51,440
here so that was taking it was similar

1770
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:54,639
to this exercise except it was going

1771
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:57,280
even a Step Beyond four regions and

1772
01:23:54,639 --> 01:24:00,920
breaking it up to seven individual

1773
01:23:57,280 --> 01:24:05,159
cities within the count um and when we

1774
01:24:00,920 --> 01:24:07,440
looked at the data that way we saw um

1775
01:24:05,159 --> 01:24:10,440
you're definitely not having that

1776
01:24:07,440 --> 01:24:13,000
balance that I spoke about before of

1777
01:24:10,440 --> 01:24:15,719
looking for sub regions where all of

1778
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:19,679
them have a relatively high amount of

1779
01:24:15,719 --> 01:24:22,360
internal trips um and so this exercise

1780
01:24:19,679 --> 01:24:25,560
was to sort of break it down somewhere

1781
01:24:22,360 --> 01:24:28,480
between full County and then all Seven

1782
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:31,360
Cities and where when we did that

1783
01:24:28,480 --> 01:24:35,360
exercise we found that breaking the

1784
01:24:31,360 --> 01:24:40,199
county out into East West two areas

1785
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:40,199
provides the highest the best amount of

1786
01:24:40,719 --> 01:24:47,080
balance yeah I was going to share

1787
01:24:42,920 --> 01:24:48,520
observation on the 91% I think that uh

1788
01:24:47,080 --> 01:24:50,159
because I know the compass model

1789
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:52,520
obviously measures that the screen lines

1790
01:24:50,159 --> 01:24:56,159
at the county has been I think a little

1791
01:24:52,520 --> 01:24:58,560
higher but I'm I'm interested in the Imp

1792
01:24:56,159 --> 01:25:02,639
with the growth in Canyon County and the

1793
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:05,560
um widening of the interstate if that 95

1794
01:25:02,639 --> 01:25:08,840
is now 91 and then we have the highway

1795
01:25:05,560 --> 01:25:11,520
16 extension

1796
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:13,440
um but with our own growth too it's an

1797
01:25:11,520 --> 01:25:15,080
interesting little Balancing Act though

1798
01:25:13,440 --> 01:25:15,760
but I think it used to be a lot higher

1799
01:25:15,080 --> 01:25:17,840
than

1800
01:25:15,760 --> 01:25:22,000
91 before

1801
01:25:17,840 --> 01:25:25,600
those Intercounty arterials are the were

1802
01:25:22,000 --> 01:25:29,520
were expanded so yeah the the question

1803
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:31,760
was raised at the commission meeting um

1804
01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:34,560
you know I think the perception for a

1805
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:37,080
long time has been that everyone lives

1806
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:40,600
in Canyon County and then drives into

1807
01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:43,000
Ada County for work and the data just

1808
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:45,719
doesn't really support that because even

1809
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:49,000
we looked at the Canyon County data and

1810
01:25:45,719 --> 01:25:49,960
if you look at Canyon County as a whole

1811
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:55,000
it has

1812
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:56,520
81% internal trips so you know the vast

1813
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:59,880
majority of Canyon County trips are

1814
01:25:56,520 --> 01:25:59,880
staying in Canyon County as

1815
01:26:01,159 --> 01:26:07,800
well interesting Dynamics work yes Bun

1816
01:26:05,280 --> 01:26:10,040
It is Well really appreciate the

1817
01:26:07,800 --> 01:26:14,000
discussion today all these thoughts and

1818
01:26:10,040 --> 01:26:15,800
perspectives are super helpful um and

1819
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:17,679
yeah Edson I don't know if you want to

1820
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:19,840
go over next steps yeah I was gonna

1821
01:26:17,679 --> 01:26:22,719
Edson so looking at that there's a

1822
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:25,400
commission work session on the 17th of

1823
01:26:22,719 --> 01:26:28,800
July 17th okay

1824
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:32,560
so our next steps is we're going to do

1825
01:26:28,800 --> 01:26:34,800
the analysis in the next couple weeks uh

1826
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:36,560
leading to our meeting where we're going

1827
01:26:34,800 --> 01:26:39,040
to present the result of the three

1828
01:26:36,560 --> 01:26:42,320
scenarios uh our plan is to come back to

1829
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:44,719
the CAC uh the following month uh to

1830
01:26:42,320 --> 01:26:46,920
present the similar information as well

1831
01:26:44,719 --> 01:26:49,080
as we're going to update couple of the

1832
01:26:46,920 --> 01:26:51,080
information that we presented today

1833
01:26:49,080 --> 01:26:54,520
based on the feedback we receive I

1834
01:26:51,080 --> 01:26:56,040
included that Mo uh the mode share MTH

1835
01:26:54,520 --> 01:26:59,679
that we want to see as slightly

1836
01:26:56,040 --> 01:27:01,600
different so volumes yeah yes and at

1837
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:03,400
that point we'll continue working

1838
01:27:01,600 --> 01:27:05,760
through the pr analysis to Define what

1839
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:08,280
those recommendations look like and

1840
01:27:05,760 --> 01:27:11,080
proceed forward on the

1841
01:27:08,280 --> 01:27:13,440
update of the

1842
01:27:11,080 --> 01:27:16,040
in and Walter depending on when it's

1843
01:27:13,440 --> 01:27:18,760
scheduled I'll be gone the first two

1844
01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:20,920
weeks of August so be prepared to run

1845
01:27:18,760 --> 01:27:24,880
the meeting

1846
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:28,400
maybe Vice chair we can adj

1847
01:27:24,880 --> 01:27:28,400
oh it's fine

1848
01:27:28,440 --> 01:27:35,880
yeah I want make sure I want to thank

1849
01:27:31,119 --> 01:27:41,560
you for all of your work Sonia and Mark

1850
01:27:35,880 --> 01:27:44,719
um uh I just I just eat it up

1851
01:27:41,560 --> 01:27:49,760
but and thank you committee and is there

1852
01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:53,440
a to I I shall move all right all right

1853
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:56,119
thank you all favor I you're out of here

1854
01:27:53,440 --> 01:27:56,119
thanks

1855
01:28:23,119 --> 01:28:27,080
e for