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It is 8:44 am and, uh, we'll call to order this, uh,

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addison strategic plan meeting of this addison city council. And

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it is, uh, friday, the 30th of january.

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and, uh, good morning everybody. Good, good to see everybody. And we have a nice, full productive day

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ahead of us. And, uh, I hope we'll have, I know we'll have some good discussion.

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and then we have, uh, nick here to lead us through that. Uh, david, do you have anything to say

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before we get started? Just a couple words. Uh, good morning everyone. We're happy

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to be here at a cu and, um, to use this great facility again. Uh, this will be

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nick's third time with us. Uh, he's done a great job so

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far. I know this will be a, a great session for everybody. I know we've also had a lot of time

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together over the past few weeks, so thank you to council for spending this extra time.

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um, as we all know, this is a very important piece of what we do every single year

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as we go throughout the rest of the year budget and otherwise. So, um, thank

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you for being here. I know everyone will take it seriously. Um, I will tell

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you, you'll see we jump straight in. We jump straight into the material and,

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um, and, and hope we have some really good conversation right off the

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bat. Uh, we also have staff here as we go, as appropriate staff will be available

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for questions to interact and, and some of the exercises that we do.

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uh, one piece of housekeeping, if you could just, whenever you speak, make sure you hit

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the green button on your mic. It's not to amplify in the room, but for

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the recording so we can ensure everyone's heard on the recording. With that

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said, I will hand it over to nick to get started. Thanks, david. Appreciate that. Thank

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you, counsel. I appreciate your time over. And I want to re re echo that

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comment, which is to say thank you so much for the time over the course of the last few weeks to sit down and have

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those one-on-ones for the time filling out the survey. I really do appreciate that. It helps

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me gain some understanding of where we are currently, and I appreciate the honor and the opportunity to be back again

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for my third time. So, uh, look forward to some robust discussion. Uh,

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my goal today is to help us get where we need to go in terms of strategic plan. So

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I hope that we can go ahead and make sure that we're moving forward in a

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productive conversation. We're gonna have some great conversations today. I understand where we

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have some alignment. I understand where we have some misalignment, might be the

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opportunity, but I think the conversations we'll have today will help flesh some of that out. And my hope is

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that we're gonna gain some action. As, as david mentioned, this is the guiding principles

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and the guiding documents that allow us to move forward in the city in achieving the outcomes that council

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wishes to see. And so we're gonna get into some of these discussions today. Uh, with that said,

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I'm gonna jump right into it, so, uh, hopefully we can have a good time along the

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way or feel free to do that when I'm done either way. Uh, but with that said, let's

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get into it here. So a little bit of a reminder, the elements of a strong strategic plan. You've seen this

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before, for those of you that have been on council, for those of you that have not, this is basically

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the elements of a strategic plan and where we're intending to live at today, which is, uh,

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our key focus areas and our strategic objectives. So that is our goal today, is

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to make sure that we really got those as locked down as we can get them. Uh, throughout the course

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of, of that, uh, we're gonna talk a little bit about the initiatives. That's where staff comes back and

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says, here's how we're going to accomplish what you would like us to accomplish.

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so you are the, what, what would we like to see happen here? And you gave us some great comments when,

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uh, the vision for the future of the community and some of those. But we're not going after mission vision values.

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we're not going after initiatives and measures, although staff will be here to make sure if there

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are specific comments, we can go ahead and capture those as well. Along the way,

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we're focused on the key focus areas and the strategic objectives. After that, we can get

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into some other topics too. These are the other ways that we go about building in a strong strategic plan,

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which are things like funding and staff. We do that resource allocation part, uh,

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plan implementation. So collecting the data, are we successful with what

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we said we were going to do? That's the execution phase, which was a clear, a clear

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indicator coming out of the conversations with you all is that we're in an execution phase. We

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are, we're big on the execution and making sure that we're achieving the vision and the things that were

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stated there. And then of course, assessing the progress and sharing the results, that accountability and going

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back to the public to make sure the public understands what it is we're doing, how we're doing with

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what we're doing, um, and making sure that we're building that trust with the community itself.

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so those are the kind of elements. Again, these two green areas are what we're focused on today

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for these discussions. Um, a little bit of the definition space,

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just so we have some clarity around that for those who might need it. Uh, key focus

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areas. These are the 3, 7, 3 to seven words or phrases that we build around.

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and so these are how we cluster our concepts and ideas that we build around those things.

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and then, of course, the strategic objectives, the goals to have three to seven of those

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per focus area. Um, I believe we may, I think we're exactly on

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that with maybe one or two of them. So we're right up on it with where we'd like to be. Ultimately,

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we'd like to see somewhere between 30 to 40 strategic objectives total. And we wanna make

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sure that everybody's job is reflected somewhere in there. So we wanna make sure

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that all the functions that we're performing as a city are reflected somewhere in the plan itself,

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whether it's through financial excellence or organizational excellence, those kinds

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of things. We wanna make sure that that's reflected as well. Um, with that said,

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initiatives and projects, that's maybe a level below the discussion we're gonna have today, but those are more specific

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things. That is how we accomplish what you would like to see us accomplish.

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and so that's just a little bit of that refresher right here. So again, modifying

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key focus areas if needed. Uh, refining our strategic objectives

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under the key focus areas, removing or adding, modifying if necessary.

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I captured all of your comments related to modifications. If I miss

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something, keep me intellectually honest and say, hey, you missed this. I'd like to have

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that as a part of the discussion. Okay. Um, the other thing I'd like to emphasize is today is the

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day to have the discussion. So, uh, speak now or forever hold

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your pieces. I think maybe one of the ways to say it, but we want to hear from you today what you would like

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to hear, what you would like to say regarding any one of the initiatives. This is your

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time to be able to do that. So if you have questions, comments, thoughts, this is the

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time to bring 'em up. And that's my hope is that we're having a robust discussion around that so

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that we're landing in a good place moving forward. Uh, with that said again,

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the strategic plan initiatives, key focus areas, strategic objectives, initiatives. These

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are the kind of layers that we're getting into. I just wanna highlight this, and I'm gonna skip through

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this relatively quickly, but 18 completed initiatives here in the last year

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on the plan. 73 are being rolled over. And so there are a continuation and that makes

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sense. There's some work that is ongoing work, so that's still there as well. And then there were 16 new

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initiatives added. So the idea of here being that as initiatives sunset

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off the plan, we're adding new initiatives back into continue progress. And that's

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something that's reflected, uh, that's something that's reflected on your website,

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by the way. I think you do an excellent job. And I reference addison with a lot of the communities I work with.

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your visualizations related to the progress made on the strategic plan,

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I think is is one of the best I've ever seen across the country. And again, I've worked with about 130

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different communities across the country, but I reference you all as an example. 'cause you do a great job

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updating on the progress. Here's the good, the bad, and the ugly. Let's talk about it all. Um, but we're

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making a lot of progress. And I just wanted to underscore that these are the initiatives that were finished, the

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18 initiatives that were, uh, taken off the plan because they were completed. Um,

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so again, you'll have o uh, opportunity and access to these slides as well. So

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if you'd like to be able to review this, I imagine many of you have seen this before. If you haven't,

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you'll have an opportunity with the powerpoint itself to be able to take a look through specific initiatives. But

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18 of these completed, these were the 16 that were added,

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and again, we completed the 16, uh, completed, the 1873 rolling

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over 16 added. So we're continuing that evolution. Again,

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it's an ever evolving plan, and that's part of what we want as we go through this

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as well. Um, getting into this, I wanna remind

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us what is the strategic plan? What do we have in here? So here are

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the key focus areas and strategic objectives as they were most

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recently adopted. So I want to give us a chance to kind of take a look at those. I don't

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know that I need to read all of these. I just want to give you a chance to take a look through these. So

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we'll start here and I'll just give you a chance to read it. We'll get into the next section and the next section, and

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then we'll move on with the conversation here. So ben, our key

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focus area, public safety. We've got five different strategic objectives

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under that. Can I, uh, ask a question? Yes,

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sir. For clarifying, just to

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make sure we're all on the same page of what this is for. Um, what

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I understand, and just correct me, what when I'm not on the right course, um,

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that this strategic plan is, is an annual direction for

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the staff to go execute. And that starts, um,

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this causes what we come out of today, causes the staff to build a budget and start

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tooling to, to, and for us to, uh, adopt a budget that

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reflects what we came up with here and then they start on october 1st.

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yeah. So yes, that is the most kind of direct

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impact is, or immediate impact is as we are about to

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start the budget process, it helps us to cope with what those decision packages could be. Changes,

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could be alterations, could be, um, but it also has a bigger impact than just that.

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I mean, as you look at the initiatives, it's more than just an annual budget. It's also more

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are we gonna focus on. So if you think about it, we're gonna be, we constantly

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bring projects, ideas, uh, to council and

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for your direction. At that point, council can decide, we wanna do this or not, or

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not do this project or not do this project. But as we are coming up with

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those before we bringing the council, this is the plan that lets us know, is

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this something we should even be working on at this point? How does it align with the plan?

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are we, how do we ensure that everything we're doing every day aligns with what this

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council wants us to be doing? And I think then you'll see that come to fruition

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with the, the projects, the budget that comes before you. But I wanna

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say at that time, the council could not wanna do

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that, could not, could decide to go a different direction. But that's why this document's important

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because it helps us to know what do we want to, what do we bring forward to council at budget or otherwise,

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right? Right. And there's a long timeframe from now until budget, until we start,

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until the annual, the new annual fiscal starts is october 1st.

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um, and I do understand, and just my colleagues hopefully that

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this is not just this annual, but some of the, some things are very annual focused

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and certainly it drives the budget, but it is beyond, uh, this year it's, it's,

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it's a couple years out where some of them, and maybe even longer term forever, uh,

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uh, for that matter. Um, so the key focus areas are all more,

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uh, foundational is what kind of I get out of

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that. Just want to, to, uh, make sure I had

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that clear and, and have it open for anybody else to a ask any questions on how this, what

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this means and what this does.

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question for you, nick. Can you go back two slides? Uh, maybe there's a

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third one there. It is. So your a hundred plus

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cities you travel to annually and meet and do the exact same thing. When I look at the numbers

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of 73 continued carried over initiatives and

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18 completed, is that a good ratio from what you experienced year over year from

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city to city? Are we behind or ahead or right on par? I, I would say that

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we're ahead. In all honesty, the the, the type of initiative that's

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being sunsetted matters a great deal, of course. Right? But at the same time, if we've got specific initiatives,

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some of these are incredibly large in scale and scope, so it's

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really the size and the scale and the scope. But having taken a look through your initiatives, you have crossed

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off some pretty big things off the list, which is why I reference you as an example, because

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these are not small things that are coming off. Some are the majority are large. Um,

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so I'll say that you're, you're on par or above it, in my opinion. Um,

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in terms of what I've seen when I work with other organizations, lots of times

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they have a lot of these rollovers that continue to happen and there's no, what

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I'll say meaningful progress being made in something that's a demonstrable way.

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um, they like the words, they roll the words over and they're not actually making the real

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progress, which I'm here to call you out on. That's why I'm asking the question. Yep. So you would've

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told us right there on that slide, like, hey, you guys are 10% behind or 15%

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behind as a percentage to be used of where I think you should have been by

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now. What I tend to see is I would tend to see something more like 10 that

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have been sunsetted. Usually those are not, then many communities

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that I work with don't go back and add in initiatives even mid-year to continue that,

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which is something that you do here and I really appreciate. So it's

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not like something comes off and then we're done until the next strategic planning effort. We're constantly

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rolling new ones in to make sure that we're moving forward on the plan itself.

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thank you. Yep. I'll just add one comment and we took notes there

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as well. If you look the actual initiatives, some of them are multi-year projects, right?

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so we're moving the phases. Some of them are never gonna go away. I was just, I

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pulled it up. I was looking at one, um, conduct education and outreach programs to residents,

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property owners and businesses regarding our, um, zoning and build.

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we're never gonna stop doing that. So that initiative will never fall off. So there is some context

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with each initiative. Maybe, maybe we'll get through it today, but I would love to have seen

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maybe some sort of scale or yeah, sure. They just break it down, down more time. Like, hey,

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50 of these are always gonna be right. Yeah, that's a great point. So it changes the dynamic for my visual

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yeah. Of that number. Yeah, that's a great point. That's a great perspective. Yep. I appreciate that. Can

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we get kind of an overview of the structure of today so that I don't ask questions that will

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be asked later? Sure. Yeah. So

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in terms of the structure for today, my intent is to provide a lot of information

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upfront as stage setting. So what I'm going to do is I'm gonna walk through,

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uh, one, I wanna walk through where we are currently with the strategic plan, let you absorb that.

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then I want to get into the data, what happened with the survey, what happened with the one-on-one

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conversations, and where do we have agreement and alignment? Where do we have

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some areas where we need to have more robust discussion? I'm gonna walk us through, not

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in order of these 1, 2, 3, I'm gonna walk us through the process

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in terms of we have complete alignment about this because we do, there

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are several of these key focus areas and strategic objectives where we are completely aligned.

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and I'd like to start with those and then move into conversations that are, uh,

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require increasing levels of discussion might be the right way of saying it. So we'll get into

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things where we need to have more and more discussions so that you can have that. But I'd like to start in

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the areas where we agree with each other and then we can have those discussions, hopefully

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building a little bit momentum. You know, what I can say is we are largely in

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agreement. At the point where we get into more robust discussions,

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we might get into some breakout activities involving, let's go ahead and get the actual

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wording and smithing that we've done for some of us that are in years past. We've written those

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down. We'll get into some of that as well. I just wanna make sure that we save enough time for

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the discussions that need to be had and get as much off of our plate that we agree on as

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possible. So that's a little bit of the intent of how I was going to do this.

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I'll also say it's a little bit of a choose your own adventure too, friends. So

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the conversations you need to have are the conversations I want you to have. The things that we're looking

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to accomplish today, my hope is we can get through as many strategic objectives and key

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focus areas as we possibly can and gain as much alignment as possible. That

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may not be possible on certain topics, um, in which case we may have to pause and come back to

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that at some point in the future. But, um, that's my hope is that we can get that far.

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is that acceptable in terms of yes. That good for me? Okay. I just would

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like to know kind of, so I don't jump the gun on something. Yep. No, fantastic. Yep.

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moving right along. All right. Uh, with this right here, again, I'm

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sure you're familiar with your strategic plan, but just wanted you to have a chance to absorb a little bit more of

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it when it came to this, make sure you had a chance to see it. Um, I'm gonna

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talk through some of the common themes of the discussions and the one-on-ones as well as the

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survey results. So we're gonna get into common themes and some of that I just wanted you all to have a

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baseline. Here's three, four, and five for you to have a chance to review and to the point

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of ongoing financial health and organization that's never going away.

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so that's why I picked yeah. Polo out and now zipper set is set. So

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set it up. So headache would be helpful. Yep. I see what you're saying with that. I follow you this

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new rep. Yeah. Yep, that's a great point.

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really helpful context.

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and six and seven,

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good to move on. Feeling. Okay. All right.

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um, one of the things, if I'm belaboring a point, you just

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want me to move on, you can just yy me, which means, nick, we get it.

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keep going. Okay. So feel free to yep. Y me if that's the case. Um, my

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wife does it to me now and it's a really useful way for me to stop talking and keep going.

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there we go. Uh, board governance guidelines,

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we've talked about this before and I just wanna reemphasize this, reiterate this, but this

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is good governance when it comes to how we go about this, which is to say you are,

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uh, the organization's roles to focus on the means. You're telling us

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the ends. What is it you would like us to accomplish? Staff will come back and say, here's how

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we think you would like us to accomplish that. So that's part of the interplay that we've got here.

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the point of the board is a, is a downward extension of man, uh, downward extension of

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ownership, not an upward extension of management. And that's kind of where they meet in the middle. Part of your responsibility

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is to make sure that the city manager is held rigorously accountable for achieving the outcomes that you would

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like for him to achieve. So that's part of the relationship and how we craft that relationship

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here in terms of effective governance, making sure that we've got that. So today you're

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telling us the ends, we're working on the how, making sure that we've come back with

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what that looks like. I'm gonna be big on this today. This is going to

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be a conversation that I'm big on. And, uh, I've said this before, and for this

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group, I will say it again. There's a difference between consensus and consent. Consensus

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means that we have complete agreement on something that is not what we are after today.

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consensus is an nearly impossible task in this current state. Uh, that's

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just the nature of the world at this moment. So I'm not after consensus, which means agreement

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on everything. That is not what we're after. What I'm after is consent,

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in this case, informed consent, which means no significant objections. So there

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is going to be times during the course of the day where you're gonna be like, hey, I have a really strong

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feeling about that. Great, I want to hear what that says. Now, if we don't have general

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agreement with your viewpoint, I'm sorry, but we do need to make a decision

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and we do need to move forward. So what I'm after is informed consent in this space,

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which means no significant objection. So if you don't have a strong objection to something,

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be willing to take a step back and say, you know what? I'm willing to let this go. This isn't

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something I have incredibly strong feelings about. Um, and that's part of

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what I'd ask for you to do too. So I'm going to get into that at different points I'm sure today and say, hey,

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I understand we don't have agreement or support for what you're saying. I understand that that's

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something you feel passionate about. We do need to move the conversation forward. And that's going to be

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my request, is that you honor that my role as a facilitator is to get us where we're looking to go.

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questions about that? Yes, sir. Uh, real quick on consent, uh, can we talk about silence equaling consent?

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uh, for example, three counsel members might say,

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I don't want that, or I want that. And if the others are silent,

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then they're basically consenting to what, what, in this example,

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those three council members were suggesting, is that, is that

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the way you view it? Or how should we view it? I, I think that's a great point that you're bringing up, and that's why I

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was really encouraging us to speak up. If you have a strong opinion, let's hear it. We would love to hear from

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you today about this, and you're absolutely right, which is silence is ascension in my

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world. And, and the bottom line is, if you're holding your tongue and saying, I don't have a strong

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opinion about this, then I'm gonna say that's good enough for us to move forward with. 'cause I, I can't

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interpret your silence. Um, but please help me not do that.

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I would like to encourage us to have active consent so that we are, uh,

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instead of just being silent and saying, you know, assuming the consent, that we either

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say, yep, I do have a significant objection, or

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I don't, and we can move on. That's, that's what I'd like to see, because I don't

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like surprises. We'll do our best with that as well. I appreciate

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that. Absolutely. And thank you for that comment. I, I, that is the conversation

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I hope we have today is I like what we're doing. We're in the right direction.

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that feels better to me than nothing at all. Um, but my hope is we're hearing your

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voice today in the best way we can. With that

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said, let's get into the key focus areas here. Um, talking through these,

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these are the data. And so what I'll say is one council member, and

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I don't know who, because this is something that I could not tell from the

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survey didn't complete the survey, so I don't know the answer on who did not.

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but I will say that I have six outta the seven of your, of your, uh,

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uh, selections reflected here. So that is what I have, and

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that's what I'm projecting and presenting today. I can't tell who,

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um, in future years, I will probably ask for names if I'm invited back

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so that I know who and I can do a specific outreach to whomever did not. Okay? But

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that's where we are today. So I just want you to know that the six outta seven voices are reflected in this. That's what I've

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got. Um, so with this said in these particular areas, one of those questions in that

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survey was key focus areas. What's your, what you're feeling about these? You'll notice

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in the, uh, no objections or supportive category, we have a lot of support.

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so we've got pretty much, uh, financial health and organizational health. Six, infrastructure

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development maintenance, six, public safety, six, when it comes to economic

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development of revitalization, we've got strong feelings

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about that. We have a really positive thing. The comments that were made about that one are

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things related to the branding and the addison way, and some of the things I think in the

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strategic objectives were some of the commentary related to that. We'd like to see some bolstering of this because

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economic development was incredibly important to us. So that's top of the list of importance,

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uh, when it came to mobility and connectivity. That will be our last discussion for the day. Um,

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four obvious reasons. We don't have agreement on this. And so that's a conversation that's

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going to be more robust. That's it. That's where we're at on that one. And then this one, community

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engagement and vibrant and active community down here as well. Um, several different

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kinds of comments related to these, and I'll reemphasize this, but it wasn't that we

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disagree and I had conversations with all of you around community engagement. We don't disagree

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with it. We just think maybe it could be rolled up under vibrant active community. In some cases,

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it was what's the right type of engagement. That's what we care about. It wasn't that

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we're doing anything wrong, it was, we just want the right type of engagement. We want it before we're

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doing a vote. We want it targeted to the neighborhood that's being affected and impacted by

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it. Um, and so there was more specific discussion. I don't think any disagreement

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with it necessarily on anything that was underneath here. More just the how,

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how we're going about those things. So we'll get into that discussion as well. But I don't even know that that one's

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all that sticky or tricky for us. So just wanted to give you a sense on the key focus areas as

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a larger bucket, what that looks like. Uh, this was your waiting.

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I asked which of these creates the greatest impact for the success of the town of addison.

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these are your comments related to how you collectively would wait this out.

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so I wanna give you a chance to absorb this, but this is where you feel the greatest

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impact is created. As a result,

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we can get all these results. Yes, sir. Yep. I will make

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sure that all of these slides are provided and, uh, yep.

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was that a yep, yep. Or a yep. I'm just giving everybody a moment. Yeah, no, you're on it. You're on it.

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marlon. Appreciate you, sir. This is one of those things I, I think what's interesting here

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is I also have your last year results as well, from a comparisons

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perspective. And you haven't shifted all that much in terms of this public safety was

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still number one. Economic development was still number two. And financial and organizational

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health was number three. So in terms of like the overall priorities, we

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didn't shift in overall priorities, maybe just the volume of that. Yes,

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sir. Remind me again. Ali scored that, like where does the 21 come from?

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was it, was it one, was it one to 20? I can't remember. Yeah, you had, so

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the idea was which of these creates the greatest impact for

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the town of addison? And that was the question. You had a hundred points to be able to assign

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to the different categories. Okay. So these were the a hundred points assigned

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to, to the categories. Okay. Yep. Good feature

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survey. That was the last . And now

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we know . Come on now. I just kidding. Just

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that one friendly

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reminder to turn your mic for everybody. Yeah. So what was the question again?

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the greatest impact to the town of addison, which of these key focus areas has

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the greatest impact on the town of addison? That, uh,

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yes. I, I I'm 90%, lemme check that here real quick.

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I'll get you the exact wording. I'm 90% sure that was the exact wording of it, though. I didn't know if it was

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in the coming year, in the coming years currently. Um, just kind

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of a temperature I got, I took it kind of as a, as a temperature is what I, it was, it

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was a temperature question. Um, and to your point about the one year horizon

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versus the longer term, I asked longer term questions in there. The vision

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for the future. What would you like most associated with your 20 years? So there's this

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element of us kind of planning on the one year horizon, which is the more actionable, that's where we

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get into objectives and initiatives. Three years is, I used to,

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when I do strategic planning, you know, I mean five years ago when I do strategic planning, my horizon

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for folks to consider was more in the five to eight year horizon.

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and here in the last few years, I'd moved it back to three years. And I think that's

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probably the mind frame I kind of wanna send because there are multi-year projects in here and that's part

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of it as well as we do have this. So we're looking at that one to three year horizon,

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not that 5, 7, 9 year horizon. It's just an untenable

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timeline to be looking that far out into the future anymore. Um, so

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yes, in terms of thinking about it. Yep. Yes sir.

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I guess, uh, as I answered those questions, the a hundred

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points for me was difficult because

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public safety was number one. Economic development was number

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two, infrastructure was number three. Those align with my thoughts. But

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what happens is you start using these points up and then you get to community

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engagement and vibrant active community and you don't have many points left.

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so I went back and took away from the other points because those

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two at the bottom are more important than what that shows, in my opinion.

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yes. And I don't know how to tell you to structure the question differently,

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but I feel like if we had 500 points, it probably would still come out the same, but

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I would've felt better about it. Okay. Because last year I didn't like that

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those two came out so small at the end. So this year I changed the way

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I, I allocated the points and I, I still did what

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I wanted with one, two, and three, but I took away and put more in, in the bottom

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two because they're more important than we, we gave them last year. My

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opinion. Thank you, sir. So if I can make one note just on community engagement,

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I think some of what you probably experienced is what nick was mentioning earlier, because community

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engagement really is across all of these, we want community engagement to be

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involved in everything we do in all these key focus areas. So part of a discussion we can

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have today is do we pull it out from being its own key focus area

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and just incorporate it in all the other key focus areas? Because to

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your point, how do you weight it against something when it should be a part of those

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key fo key focus areas? So, um, part of that pitching you may have felt could have been

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because of just the nature of, of that key fo key focus areas

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by itself. Uh, but that's for discussion for you all. It, it could be, it

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could be that we only have a hundred points to divide over, what is it, six or

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seven areas. Maybe we needed 150 points.

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I, I don't know. I just struggled. I ran out of points. And those two

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were important too. So I took away and added, and I don't know if

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you could fix that up. Giving my, and what, what I'll add is my perspective is I love the

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way that this question is formed because it forces you to prioritize. We have to prioritize.

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so for me, um, it helps me, forces

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me to prioritize what it, we've got a hundred percent where,

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you know, what's the most important, what's the least important of the, of the

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seven key focus areas. And if I could chime in,

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I, I would almost prefer if we had seven questions. You gave us 10 points.

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so you really can go 0.2, five, 0.5, one full point to really

401
00:28:52,195 --> 00:28:56,025
weigh it so you really understand the prioritization. And I was one of the folks

402
00:28:56,245 --> 00:29:00,165
you and I spoke about, vibrant, active community and community engagement need

403
00:29:00,365 --> 00:29:04,285
to be, in my opinion, need to be rolled into one. So you can then spend those points

404
00:29:05,435 --> 00:29:08,775
more targeted, more focused on exactly what is important versus fluff.

405
00:29:09,745 --> 00:29:13,525
yep. Just my opinion and the challenge I have with, with this,

406
00:29:13,795 --> 00:29:17,125
hold on a second. Go ahead. Thank you.

407
00:29:20,045 --> 00:29:23,975
with with this is in my mind, if we get economic

408
00:29:24,135 --> 00:29:27,525
development right, then we get financial health. Correct.

409
00:29:28,155 --> 00:29:32,115
so that, that's where I challenge, we're trying to divvy up points because in

410
00:29:32,335 --> 00:29:36,255
my mind, the economic development piece gets to be really important. If we get that right,

411
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then financial health will take care of itself.

412
00:29:41,985 --> 00:29:45,865
agreed. And I agree with, with howard, I don't care if it was a hundred points or

413
00:29:46,085 --> 00:29:50,065
a thousand, it would've probably came out in the same order. 'cause I'd have waited them all the same. I'm,

414
00:29:50,385 --> 00:29:54,105
I'm almost on dan's thinking that

415
00:29:54,395 --> 00:29:57,955
just one through seven. And what is your most important, put it one number two

416
00:29:58,545 --> 00:30:02,015
down, down the way line. I'm not faulting what you've done here at all, but

417
00:30:02,555 --> 00:30:06,515
I do see where a couple of these can be rolled in together. And I don't want

418
00:30:06,695 --> 00:30:10,535
any of our departments or staff to think anyone else is

419
00:30:10,755 --> 00:30:14,675
more important than their department. 'cause I think the people that do the community

420
00:30:15,075 --> 00:30:18,475
engagement are just as important as the rest of it.

421
00:30:19,145 --> 00:30:23,075
just not in a out front and good. I, I want 'em to know that they're

422
00:30:23,355 --> 00:30:27,345
appreciated. Um, but they're just not yep. At

423
00:30:27,565 --> 00:30:31,345
the top of the a hundred point list. Yep. I I think the a hundred points is,

424
00:30:31,585 --> 00:30:35,525
is good. It forces you to do the distribution of what's important. 'cause everything can

425
00:30:35,645 --> 00:30:39,235
be important. Um, and I would agree with,

426
00:30:39,775 --> 00:30:43,515
so the context is a couple years ago there was, um, a lot of concern

427
00:30:43,835 --> 00:30:47,755
from the citizens about the lack of engagement, the lack of us being involved, hearing

428
00:30:48,295 --> 00:30:52,255
our voices and things like that. So these things have a life cycle and

429
00:30:52,705 --> 00:30:56,495
community engagement. Now we're doing it a lot better and we realize it needs to be in

430
00:30:56,875 --> 00:31:00,795
all the other kfa, all the other activities. So it's a

431
00:31:00,915 --> 00:31:04,675
natural thing for this to evolve out. Now I'm a fan of c uh, combining

432
00:31:05,255 --> 00:31:09,215
or maybe distributing community engagement among all the other ones. Um,

433
00:31:09,975 --> 00:31:13,915
and then, or combining it with vibrant active community. Uh, I have

434
00:31:14,035 --> 00:31:17,925
some further thoughts on that further in the session. I really

435
00:31:18,125 --> 00:31:21,965
appreciate all this feedback. I really do. And I think that's part of what I'm attempting to do here

436
00:31:22,165 --> 00:31:26,165
is help you have a mirror. That's what I'm after, is just being the mirror today in, in terms of showing

437
00:31:26,365 --> 00:31:30,285
you some of this, let me editorialize for a moment here on the why and the what with this,

438
00:31:30,445 --> 00:31:34,345
which is to say that one of the challenges I do find with communities that I work with is

439
00:31:34,685 --> 00:31:38,405
things are listed in the strategic plan and given equal priority. And we do have to make decisions

440
00:31:39,105 --> 00:31:42,885
at the end of the day as staff. Which of these is going to, when, when I have limited

441
00:31:43,435 --> 00:31:47,365
time, which of these should I be working on? Which of those should, should be funding it? Everything

442
00:31:47,725 --> 00:31:51,485
in your strategic plan is important. And I wanna be perfectly clear, if it is in this

443
00:31:51,925 --> 00:31:55,845
document, it is a priority for this community. So that is something

444
00:31:56,125 --> 00:32:00,125
that is stated. It is a difficult decision to go through a process like this. And that

445
00:32:00,285 --> 00:32:04,185
is absolutely what I intended is that there's some difficulty inside of this

446
00:32:04,505 --> 00:32:08,345
equation. What I haven't discovered with other communities that I've worked with, and let's say community

447
00:32:08,825 --> 00:32:12,265
engagement as a, as a thing, what if that came back as a two?

448
00:32:13,695 --> 00:32:17,145
what that would say to me is that that is a key focus area that you don't actually prioritize.

449
00:32:17,745 --> 00:32:20,945
and when it's listed in the same verbiage as public safety, which might be a 25

450
00:32:21,765 --> 00:32:25,705
and that's a two, that means it's 12 and a half times more important. Which is why one through seven

451
00:32:25,995 --> 00:32:29,985
isn't the way that I do it, which is an ordinal ranking. Uh, this is a card, excuse me,

452
00:32:30,145 --> 00:32:33,965
this is a cardinal ranking, it's an ordinal ranking. So in this case, I can see how

453
00:32:34,185 --> 00:32:38,065
percentage-wise more valuable something is in there. This doesn't

454
00:32:38,705 --> 00:32:42,645
indicate anything wrong to me at all. And like you all have said, and this is a common theme from

455
00:32:42,845 --> 00:32:45,855
the discussions vibrant act, the community engagement,

456
00:32:47,185 --> 00:32:51,175
let's break it up and make it a part of others or let's combine it with vibrant active community.

457
00:32:51,915 --> 00:32:55,635
and that was a conversation that I had with several of you as a priority. So

458
00:32:56,315 --> 00:33:00,095
it just says to me that this is an opportunity, one, that the things up here are important

459
00:33:00,455 --> 00:33:04,455
to us. If that was a two that would say that we need to discuss that, then that's what I would bring

460
00:33:04,655 --> 00:33:08,455
up. But the fact that it's an eight, hey that's okay. And now we just need to discuss where

461
00:33:08,695 --> 00:33:12,655
that would go and to the point of maybe having more points so it didn't feel so restrictive. I totally hear

462
00:33:12,935 --> 00:33:16,695
you on that. Um, this is a process that I go through with a lot of communities

463
00:33:17,095 --> 00:33:20,935
just to help them see the differences in terms of how you're collectively supporting or

464
00:33:21,215 --> 00:33:25,065
approaching something. And uh, if you have a huge disagreement with certain elements

465
00:33:25,545 --> 00:33:29,335
of this, you might be able to tell how out of alignment with

466
00:33:29,625 --> 00:33:33,585
others on the team that you might be. Again, what I'd say is this is very similar

467
00:33:33,965 --> 00:33:37,905
to where you landed last year, which is encouraging to me, which is we have a

468
00:33:38,025 --> 00:33:42,005
lot of support for the things that we do support, that's a really positive thing. So really

469
00:33:42,425 --> 00:33:46,265
great feedback. Uh, really appreciate the difficulty of the task that you were given

470
00:33:46,725 --> 00:33:50,705
and I appreciate your willingness to lean in on something that's not easy. I know these are all priorities to

471
00:33:50,825 --> 00:33:54,745
you. Let's make sure that it's reflected that way too when we go forward with the plan. So thank you for

472
00:33:54,905 --> 00:33:58,875
that. Appreciate that feedback. Um, let's get into strategic

473
00:33:59,035 --> 00:34:02,915
objectives. If we're okay with this. I, we will come just to be clear to this conversation about

474
00:34:03,115 --> 00:34:06,875
community engagement and vibrant active community and whether they should be combined, whether we take community

475
00:34:07,235 --> 00:34:11,195
engagement and, and make it parts of others or whether we leave it as is. So I

476
00:34:11,315 --> 00:34:15,275
want to clarify, we will get into that discussion. Um, before we roll on, I just

477
00:34:15,395 --> 00:34:19,145
wanted to make that clear. I'd like to provide a little bit of information related to the

478
00:34:19,465 --> 00:34:23,145
strategic objectives too here, which is in general I ask for strong agreement,

479
00:34:23,505 --> 00:34:27,265
agreement, neutral, minor objection or strong objection to each of the different initiatives.

480
00:34:28,245 --> 00:34:32,185
so every strategic object, excuse me. Every objective. So every single

481
00:34:32,785 --> 00:34:36,465
strategic objective you had the opportunity to weigh in. I strongly agree with the

482
00:34:36,865 --> 00:34:40,145
strategic objective. I strongly object to this strategic objective.

483
00:34:41,375 --> 00:34:45,075
this is the overall collective. So I just wanted you to see that in general, there

484
00:34:45,425 --> 00:34:49,425
is a lot of strong agreement with what you have in the strategic plan as a general

485
00:34:49,835 --> 00:34:53,745
group. Um, we have good agreement with it too. As I

486
00:34:53,865 --> 00:34:57,805
mentioned, consent in this space, in the informed consent space, we

487
00:34:58,025 --> 00:35:01,945
have a hundred and what is that 47 in that strong in the agreement

488
00:35:02,665 --> 00:35:06,585
category. Those are areas where I'd say, hey, let's not lean in and really push back on those we, we like

489
00:35:06,785 --> 00:35:10,465
what we've got maybe a little wordsmithing if we need to totally understand that.

490
00:35:11,355 --> 00:35:14,985
areas where we're neutral, I think I understand the why. When I looked at the neutral,

491
00:35:15,495 --> 00:35:19,175
they were these common themes that kept coming up the addison way

492
00:35:20,015 --> 00:35:23,965
being overused in elements of the strategic plan that came up as an,

493
00:35:24,125 --> 00:35:28,125
as an element of this. This becomes a a problem. Um, community engagement

494
00:35:28,605 --> 00:35:32,365
should be included. We want the right type of community engagement. Those were common themes.

495
00:35:33,145 --> 00:35:36,405
that's where I saw neutrality. And then there was minor objections and strong objections

496
00:35:37,185 --> 00:35:40,765
and those predominantly, predominantly related to mobility and connectivity,

497
00:35:41,455 --> 00:35:45,385
which is why we're gonna get into those discussions a little more robustly. Um, but I wanted

498
00:35:45,585 --> 00:35:49,445
you to see that we do have a lot of agreements about the plan in general, which is really encouraging. It

499
00:35:49,665 --> 00:35:53,665
wasn't all on the opposite side, which would be a scrap it and rework everything. We've got

500
00:35:53,745 --> 00:35:57,505
a lot we can build off of here. So I just wanted you to see that before I kept going.

501
00:35:58,325 --> 00:36:01,595
um, are you, are we gonna drill down to the strategic objectives

502
00:36:02,765 --> 00:36:06,755
in which we, you know, those ones that are, we most strongly object to

503
00:36:06,955 --> 00:36:10,745
those two or three or four? I don't know how many yes sir. We are gonna look at, yes sir. Okay.

504
00:36:11,135 --> 00:36:14,495
yep. Thank you. Um, yes

505
00:36:15,215 --> 00:36:17,275
and give good definitions of what they mean,

506
00:36:19,735 --> 00:36:23,615
uh, mobility and connectivity. Yeah. Being one. Are

507
00:36:23,835 --> 00:36:27,675
we trying to connect two buildings together or are we trying to put bike lanes all over town

508
00:36:27,915 --> 00:36:31,435
and take car lanes out? Right. I, that's all I'm saying tho those can be

509
00:36:33,135 --> 00:36:36,195
misconstrued and put into the same category and

510
00:36:37,525 --> 00:36:40,895
definitions on what they truly mean would help for me.

511
00:36:41,575 --> 00:36:45,515
absolutely. Appreciate that. Great feedback. Yep. So this slide is on

512
00:36:46,095 --> 00:36:50,015
strategic objectives versus the kfa. That's correct. So these are all the

513
00:36:50,175 --> 00:36:54,085
more granular pieces. That's correct. Okay. So this was every

514
00:36:54,875 --> 00:36:58,875
strategic objective and this is on those we're beyond the key focus areas and into

515
00:36:59,115 --> 00:37:02,975
the strategic objectives that next layer down. Okay. Yep. Yes. If

516
00:37:03,195 --> 00:37:07,075
I can ask the council a question that I had to wrestle with what I was doing this

517
00:37:07,275 --> 00:37:10,435
and have my conversation with nick in the past 12 months,

518
00:37:11,875 --> 00:37:15,795
I would ask that o open ended question when we talk about the addison way of how

519
00:37:15,995 --> 00:37:19,545
we handle business interactions, engagement with businesses, interaction,

520
00:37:20,235 --> 00:37:24,075
engagement with community citizens, visitors. Was there,

521
00:37:24,495 --> 00:37:28,155
was there a moment in time in the past 12 months where I had it multiple times where someone

522
00:37:28,595 --> 00:37:32,355
had made a mention in business, um, about the way our staff

523
00:37:32,735 --> 00:37:36,435
has treated folks? I, I don't know how, how do we incorporate

524
00:37:37,115 --> 00:37:40,915
that conversation of the addison way within that work? David, you and I have had that conversation,

525
00:37:41,495 --> 00:37:45,395
but I think that's something that I was wrestling with. I'm trying

526
00:37:45,595 --> 00:37:49,315
to get communicated to nick, is just about how, what is the addison

527
00:37:49,735 --> 00:37:53,355
way and how do we break that down when we're literally physically engaging

528
00:37:53,855 --> 00:37:57,785
our businesses and our citizens? Yeah.

529
00:37:58,895 --> 00:38:02,875
was there a question there? Yeah. Did, have you experienced anything in the past 12

530
00:38:03,155 --> 00:38:06,715
months from any personal feedback from business or residents

531
00:38:07,175 --> 00:38:10,785
of frustration? Yeah, I think there's a lot of ways that you can

532
00:38:11,325 --> 00:38:14,775
define what the addison way is, but like to me it's,

533
00:38:15,655 --> 00:38:19,505
it's the level of service. It's service beyond expectation. I think that's

534
00:38:19,825 --> 00:38:23,825
what all of our residents expect. Um, and on, on the

535
00:38:24,185 --> 00:38:28,135
business side, um, how we're engaging, I mean, I, I have heard that,

536
00:38:28,645 --> 00:38:32,575
um, on the development side, we're, we're at times making

537
00:38:32,975 --> 00:38:36,685
it a little more difficult. And I do feel like we've started to have those conversations

538
00:38:37,345 --> 00:38:40,355
and address some things with staff and added, um,

539
00:38:41,425 --> 00:38:45,405
added an employee that would maybe help as a liaison between some

540
00:38:45,645 --> 00:38:49,645
of those things. So I mean, I, I think your point's well taken. That's what I'm trying to get at for, for if you could

541
00:38:49,765 --> 00:38:53,485
each each answer that for me, it would help me understand where our headspace is at,

542
00:38:53,825 --> 00:38:57,805
if that's necessary. I can jump in real, real quick. David, we do have that defined

543
00:38:58,305 --> 00:39:01,925
on a particular webpage. Do we? Not the addison way.

544
00:39:03,335 --> 00:39:07,265
we have the addison way defined. Correct. Okay. So, so a lot of people depending

545
00:39:07,875 --> 00:39:10,755
on who you talk, talk to, they, they, they have their own interpretation

546
00:39:12,335 --> 00:39:16,075
of what it is. And um, you know, to me it's really important

547
00:39:16,435 --> 00:39:20,355
that you go to the, um, the real definition other than

548
00:39:21,945 --> 00:39:25,755
polling everybody in town, what's, what's their definition? So I,

549
00:39:26,115 --> 00:39:30,095
I always wanna start with that. Like, what, what is it really mean? And,

550
00:39:30,375 --> 00:39:34,265
and I go to the webpage that defines that and then work, work

551
00:39:34,555 --> 00:39:38,555
from there. Does that, does that kind of answer your, I

552
00:39:38,675 --> 00:39:42,315
just didn't know if you had a per, I didn't know if you had a personal engagement with someone in business,

553
00:39:43,175 --> 00:39:46,955
not, not necessarily a resident, but more business owners or business processes where

554
00:39:47,235 --> 00:39:50,835
you had somebody say something to you negative about our addison

555
00:39:51,295 --> 00:39:55,145
way. Um, not on the business side.

556
00:39:55,565 --> 00:39:59,545
not, not about the addison way. They don't, they don't, I haven't really heard

557
00:39:59,905 --> 00:40:03,735
'em bring that up. Okay. Um, all I've heard is, hey, it's

558
00:40:04,085 --> 00:40:07,445
um, you know, to, to go through development,

559
00:40:08,515 --> 00:40:12,475
you know, there's a lot of things, um, that are required and, and

560
00:40:12,695 --> 00:40:15,635
we're one of the cities that makes 'em fulfill those requirements.

561
00:40:16,965 --> 00:40:20,925
so if you don't mind if I could, so I mean, the answer is yes, we hear that and

562
00:40:21,145 --> 00:40:24,965
I think we've been very, very transparent about that. And we talked to council about that. That's

563
00:40:25,385 --> 00:40:29,135
a concern that we have. And here's what we're doing to improve it. Bringing charles's

564
00:40:29,945 --> 00:40:33,925
position in, um, looking at our entire building inspection process to

565
00:40:34,145 --> 00:40:37,985
ensure that it is meeting what we expect it to meet. If there are any improvements

566
00:40:38,525 --> 00:40:42,465
we need to make to the make, to the code, we're gonna bring those forward to council. So I'm just,

567
00:40:42,685 --> 00:40:46,555
I'm supporting everything you're saying. I think that is a concern that we've had. We've

568
00:40:46,905 --> 00:40:50,825
done a number of steps to resolve it where I think we're in a good place right now of having

569
00:40:51,095 --> 00:40:55,065
solutions to all those. I think that's a great point of conversation for the group. 'cause we

570
00:40:55,185 --> 00:40:58,925
can talk about what we're doing and sure. That's reflected in the strategic plan. But

571
00:40:59,305 --> 00:41:03,305
I mean, if your question is have we heard that? Absolutely. We've heard it. Yeah, that, I just wanna

572
00:41:03,465 --> 00:41:07,345
get that. I just wanna make sure I wasn't crazy and thinking, I'm hearing it, hearing it differently

573
00:41:07,665 --> 00:41:11,545
than any one of you or any one of our staff for that matter. I just wanna make sure that

574
00:41:11,745 --> 00:41:15,595
was a point that we discussed today. That's all. Yep. So I,

575
00:41:15,815 --> 00:41:19,795
I'm gonna weigh in just for a sec. The complaints I've heard from business or

576
00:41:20,235 --> 00:41:24,195
residents is in the way that, I

577
00:41:24,395 --> 00:41:27,755
guess I'm gonna call it out, code enforcement, um,

578
00:41:28,785 --> 00:41:32,525
interprets what the code is. So we have codes, we have the

579
00:41:32,805 --> 00:41:36,605
u, new udc, we had codes before that, but, but there's

580
00:41:37,215 --> 00:41:40,695
codes and then, then the enforcement interprets

581
00:41:41,365 --> 00:41:43,625
that and is very, uh,

582
00:41:45,975 --> 00:41:49,895
I don't know what the word is, harsh. When they, when they

583
00:41:50,065 --> 00:41:53,415
speak out to the businesses or the people, instead of having

584
00:41:54,255 --> 00:41:58,195
a friendly approach to try and explain to someone, our

585
00:41:58,445 --> 00:42:02,405
code is this and we need you to comply nicely. It's

586
00:42:02,695 --> 00:42:06,655
like, this is the code. If you don't do it, we're gonna find you and we're gonna start tomorrow.

587
00:42:07,395 --> 00:42:11,385
that's the problem. That's, that's what I hear. And every time I hear it, david

588
00:42:11,735 --> 00:42:15,175
gets a call from me. So I, I relate it when I get that because

589
00:42:15,875 --> 00:42:19,675
to me that is not the addison way to, to

590
00:42:19,915 --> 00:42:23,815
be harsh with our residents or our businesses in trying to

591
00:42:23,975 --> 00:42:27,935
enforce the code. I just think we need a softer approach then if someone's defying

592
00:42:28,335 --> 00:42:32,155
it and we've tried and we've tried and they're just defying it within the level in

593
00:42:32,395 --> 00:42:36,215
of intensity, should, should match the level

594
00:42:36,435 --> 00:42:40,415
of defiance, if that's the right word. When I hear

595
00:42:40,615 --> 00:42:44,615
the addison the way can, can we, can we move on? Wait, fox, I make, let me make this

596
00:42:44,775 --> 00:42:47,015
comment to support our, to, to support our staff.

597
00:42:49,675 --> 00:42:53,645
what we're, what we're hearing here is I don't believe we're hearing complaints about the addison

598
00:42:54,105 --> 00:42:57,705
way. I think we start hearing complaints when the addison way is not

599
00:42:58,975 --> 00:43:02,965
presented the way we would like the addison way presented. And I think the addison, you

600
00:43:03,185 --> 00:43:07,185
know, for instance, I think the addison way is not to the first letter that

601
00:43:07,425 --> 00:43:11,345
you get. You're gonna get a $500 a day fine in 10 days if you start. I

602
00:43:11,465 --> 00:43:15,315
don't think that's what we intend the addison way to be. But there

603
00:43:15,515 --> 00:43:19,355
again, the addison way can be described in many different ways to me, and I don't think it's the,

604
00:43:20,105 --> 00:43:23,905
what frustrates me is when I hear it's the addison way that we have to spend 10 times more

605
00:43:24,195 --> 00:43:28,095
than what a project should take because it's the addison way to do it that way. But

606
00:43:28,945 --> 00:43:32,875
when the addison way is followed, I don't think we get complaints. I think it's when

607
00:43:33,535 --> 00:43:37,035
the addison way is not applied in a

608
00:43:37,625 --> 00:43:40,885
kind and friendly manner that we start getting those. Thank you mayor,

609
00:43:42,435 --> 00:43:46,065
go ahead. Okay. Thank you for the discussion on this. It's

610
00:43:47,225 --> 00:43:51,195
part of what came up through the discovery process as we went through this. And so

611
00:43:51,495 --> 00:43:55,325
it was worth discussion and I'm sure we'll have more as we get into this. These

612
00:43:55,675 --> 00:43:59,035
were the areas to the point about, uh, this is the stuff with most agreement.

613
00:43:59,815 --> 00:44:03,785
so just so you could see this, I want to clarify that a five means strong agreement. So five

614
00:44:04,075 --> 00:44:08,035
is the highest possible score, one would be the lowest possible score out of that. So as

615
00:44:08,195 --> 00:44:11,995
we're kind of looking at these numbers, anything above a three would mean we're generally in agreement

616
00:44:12,235 --> 00:44:16,055
with it as an overall group. Um, with this said, we

617
00:44:16,295 --> 00:44:20,155
see strong agreement. What you'll notice is you'll notice the areas themselves, and I mentioned this, right,

618
00:44:20,735 --> 00:44:24,555
uh, financial health and organizational excellence, tons of alignment and agreement around that.

619
00:44:25,015 --> 00:44:28,835
uh, area four, which is infrastructure, lots of alignment and agreement around that.

620
00:44:29,615 --> 00:44:33,485
um, two economic development and revitalization. Lots of agreement around that. Public

621
00:44:33,805 --> 00:44:37,475
safety, lots of agreement around that. So I don't think anything too shocking here,

622
00:44:37,905 --> 00:44:41,895
but wanted you to see that this is kind of where everything shook out. We have two areas with perfect fives

623
00:44:42,245 --> 00:44:46,165
across the board and we love financial and organizational excellence, financial health and

624
00:44:46,325 --> 00:44:50,285
organizational excellence. So just wanted you to see this, this is the areas of lease agreement.

625
00:44:51,105 --> 00:44:54,845
so the area where we have less agreement, um, this one down here, mobility and connectivity,

626
00:44:55,385 --> 00:44:59,065
the east west pedestrian. So now we start to get into three. Um,

627
00:44:59,435 --> 00:45:03,325
this one, six, this was the addison way conversation we were just having and sort of where

628
00:45:03,445 --> 00:45:07,365
that falls into it. Um, but you can see here with mobility and connectivity, that is

629
00:45:07,485 --> 00:45:11,405
the one that seems to be the, the conversation that we need to center around in terms of

630
00:45:11,565 --> 00:45:15,415
most disagreement. So just wanted you to have a sense of that. Also, the number three

631
00:45:15,865 --> 00:45:19,745
is sort of our neutral space. So three would be neutral answers are

632
00:45:19,965 --> 00:45:23,805
still mod, modestly supportive, above that line as a collective.

633
00:45:24,475 --> 00:45:28,085
however, these are the numbers. And again, because we have one person's

634
00:45:28,565 --> 00:45:32,445
score not represented in here, that could shift entirely where this lands at. And I wanna be clear

635
00:45:32,605 --> 00:45:36,165
about that as well. Yes, sir. I think to randy's point, some of these are kind of squishy,

636
00:45:37,065 --> 00:45:40,925
uh, not well-defined. And that may be part of, um, the neutral or

637
00:45:41,125 --> 00:45:44,205
minor objection, uh, like the east west pedestrian connectivity

638
00:45:45,475 --> 00:45:49,395
that could be defined as getting across a belt line in the north dallas tollway.

639
00:45:49,945 --> 00:45:53,625
yep. Or could be defined as getting from vitruvian to

640
00:45:53,955 --> 00:45:57,745
village on the parkway. So it's just a vast interpretation. Um,

641
00:45:58,025 --> 00:46:01,645
so I I think that's, that's part of it. And just better, uh, better definition

642
00:46:02,485 --> 00:46:06,465
probably going forward would be, um, of, of what the results look like for

643
00:46:06,685 --> 00:46:10,505
us would probably be wise. I I'm with you a hundred percent on that. And I think that

644
00:46:10,725 --> 00:46:14,585
in, in cases where we have a lack of clarity, the discussion today can inform

645
00:46:15,005 --> 00:46:18,945
the initiatives and the projects underneath that as well, which is hugely important in terms

646
00:46:19,065 --> 00:46:22,665
of giving you what you're after. And so let's do have those discussions

647
00:46:23,185 --> 00:46:26,745
when they need to come up because it is the way that staff can understand what you mean

648
00:46:27,455 --> 00:46:31,345
when you talk about this connectivity. Um, I crossed beltline

649
00:46:31,905 --> 00:46:35,425
and midway yesterday. It was a joy. , you're alive.

650
00:46:36,065 --> 00:46:39,505
I am. There you go. I am. My toes are doing well. Um, as a matter of fact could just,

651
00:46:40,205 --> 00:46:43,805
yes sir. I I'll use the east west connectivity as an example because you're

652
00:46:44,225 --> 00:46:48,105
right, it is broad. But that was a decision that was made during this

653
00:46:48,345 --> 00:46:52,225
process a few years ago. That's correct. To make it broad on purpose. 'cause the conversation that accounts

654
00:46:52,505 --> 00:46:56,145
all the time was we could fit a lot of different things in here. If this council believes

655
00:46:56,665 --> 00:47:00,645
something different or wants it worded differently or wants us to focus on something different, change

656
00:47:01,065 --> 00:47:05,045
it. We need to hear that as we go through the process. So we're here to, to change and

657
00:47:05,275 --> 00:47:09,145
alter whatever we need to that aligns with this council, um, with the

658
00:47:09,305 --> 00:47:12,555
plan. Absolutely. One of the things I've seen in the past is

659
00:47:13,555 --> 00:47:16,985
kind of, we, we want to interpret it our own way. Um,

660
00:47:18,185 --> 00:47:22,105
and leaving it that broad leads to ambiguity, which can,

661
00:47:22,545 --> 00:47:25,625
uh, result in lack of consent. And um,

662
00:47:26,625 --> 00:47:29,865
it says, so david, we were wise to leave it broad, but

663
00:47:30,945 --> 00:47:34,485
if we can define better what each of us are thinking under these priorities,

664
00:47:36,155 --> 00:47:40,075
I mean to, to capture that, then that would allow for, uh, probably better,

665
00:47:40,615 --> 00:47:42,795
better movement forward. Does that make sense?

666
00:47:45,725 --> 00:47:49,115
makes sense to me. I I would like to comment on that last one because

667
00:47:50,065 --> 00:47:53,635
east west pedestrian connectivity is what gives me the heartburn

668
00:47:55,525 --> 00:47:58,685
connecting the east and west sides of the toll road pedestrian.

669
00:47:59,635 --> 00:48:03,515
I agree with that. But if you're talking about from midway to wynwood

670
00:48:04,065 --> 00:48:07,995
when we're talking east, west, pedestrian doesn't even make

671
00:48:08,195 --> 00:48:12,035
sense to me. People aren't gonna walk that. I think we have a disconnect between

672
00:48:12,315 --> 00:48:15,675
the east and west sides of town. And I would like those connected.

673
00:48:16,645 --> 00:48:20,295
I would like the people to be one addison instead of an east and a west pedestrian

674
00:48:20,965 --> 00:48:24,945
and com connectivity is where I have heartburn with that because it's, to me, it's just the

675
00:48:25,165 --> 00:48:29,165
toll road and I don't wanna spend $10 million to fix it. I,

676
00:48:29,445 --> 00:48:32,865
I wanna fix it, but I don't know how we can fix it reasonably. But, but

677
00:48:33,625 --> 00:48:37,245
the broadness or the, I don't, I don't know. I had problems with it because

678
00:48:37,755 --> 00:48:41,485
it's pen pedestrian connectivity. These are discussions

679
00:48:41,965 --> 00:48:45,925
we're gonna get into. And I think these, this is exactly what I wanted to hear, though, which is to say,

680
00:48:46,205 --> 00:48:50,165
I just want one as a starting condition for you to see, hey, this is an area where we have less

681
00:48:50,325 --> 00:48:54,195
agreement. Now we know those areas where we have less agreement. These are areas

682
00:48:54,355 --> 00:48:57,995
where we have a ton of agreement and we got a lot of those. So we do have a lot of alignment

683
00:48:58,425 --> 00:49:01,835
over a lot of really important topics here. When we get into some of these discussions,

684
00:49:02,475 --> 00:49:06,475
it's the how and the what that are really gonna be the things that are gonna be kind

685
00:49:06,675 --> 00:49:10,345
of the, the discussion that we need to have. And david's right, that

686
00:49:11,055 --> 00:49:14,635
was intentionally vague or less specific

687
00:49:15,665 --> 00:49:19,435
with the idea being that initiatives underneath that could help create definition around what

688
00:49:19,675 --> 00:49:23,555
that objective meant. If we don't love it, we change it. That's it.

689
00:49:24,065 --> 00:49:27,995
this is reflective of what you want this council wants. That's what we're after today. I

690
00:49:28,115 --> 00:49:32,055
wanted you to see that alignment just so you had a sense of where it is. Um, I'm gonna get into each one

691
00:49:32,275 --> 00:49:36,235
of these. Um, if we need to in the middle of this,

692
00:49:36,315 --> 00:49:39,895
I'll take a break just so we can stretch our legs. 'cause I know how it is because, um, but

693
00:49:40,525 --> 00:49:44,395
let's get into it here a little bit. I want you to be able to see this. So I've got several data sources.

694
00:49:45,015 --> 00:49:48,915
one, you know, I've reviewed about, let's call it 180

695
00:49:49,685 --> 00:49:53,675
pages of information in order to do this. So that's a lot to synthesize to be able to bring to a

696
00:49:53,795 --> 00:49:57,755
conversation here. Um, all I'm gonna do is help provide flavor, and it's the mirror. That's all I'm

697
00:49:57,915 --> 00:50:01,795
trying to do is hold the mirror up the data sources, the priority waiting. Question two, the agreement

698
00:50:02,075 --> 00:50:05,715
with the current objectives, immediate priorities, and then the open-ended survey

699
00:50:06,275 --> 00:50:10,195
responses as well as your one-on-ones. So we'll do some summary related to all of those

700
00:50:10,315 --> 00:50:14,255
things in, in what I want to do. 'cause that provides us with complete context for this. Um,

701
00:50:15,065 --> 00:50:18,875
keep modifying, remove. So I have labeled these

702
00:50:19,175 --> 00:50:23,005
as things that you are fine with. If you're fine with it, let's go onto the

703
00:50:23,225 --> 00:50:27,045
next, right? If it's modify, let's talk about the modifications that were being proposed by any

704
00:50:27,245 --> 00:50:31,205
one of you. And if it's removed, let's talk about whether there's general support for the removal

705
00:50:31,505 --> 00:50:35,365
of something or the combination of something as we discussed. So there's a lot of data on these slides.

706
00:50:36,755 --> 00:50:40,485
the key legacy themes. These were the things when I asked you a legacy question, what

707
00:50:40,775 --> 00:50:44,655
would you like your legacy to be when people look back 20 years from now on this council?

708
00:50:45,355 --> 00:50:48,935
and these were the key themes that came out of those answers that you gave here.

709
00:50:49,555 --> 00:50:53,495
um, one is fiscal responsibility and resident first. That was a very loud and

710
00:50:53,655 --> 00:50:57,635
clear theme. I don't think I talked to anybody who didn't believe in those things as

711
00:50:57,855 --> 00:51:01,575
well. So a lot of alignment on that. Um, economic reinvention and competitiveness,

712
00:51:03,385 --> 00:51:06,885
office towers, hotel space, the reinvention or the reinvigoration

713
00:51:07,405 --> 00:51:11,185
of those became really important. Discussion, uh, discussion points. Um,

714
00:51:12,035 --> 00:51:15,685
competing successfully with the newer suburbs. And some of us felt that

715
00:51:16,085 --> 00:51:19,845
maintaining addison as a destination, a target destination was critically important

716
00:51:20,205 --> 00:51:23,965
as well. Um, public safety is a differentiator,

717
00:51:24,665 --> 00:51:28,525
but what I'd say is strong public safety was considered to be the backbone of every

718
00:51:28,725 --> 00:51:32,565
conversation. We can't have the other conversations without that conversation coming first.

719
00:51:33,225 --> 00:51:37,065
and that was the commitment that was, uh, pretty red, uh, readily available if

720
00:51:37,285 --> 00:51:40,685
you read the comments related to your legacy. So we believe in public safety,

721
00:51:41,705 --> 00:51:45,475
we know that that's important for us. And then connectivity. Um, this

722
00:51:45,765 --> 00:51:49,685
was selective and there was, again, a lot of variation in terms of the importance of

723
00:51:49,805 --> 00:51:53,085
this being something that council members felt was part of the legacy.

724
00:51:53,825 --> 00:51:57,565
so about half of us felt this was critically important. About half of us felt the

725
00:51:57,885 --> 00:52:01,695
opposite of that. So that's all I'm getting at with this one is that that was a theme

726
00:52:02,435 --> 00:52:06,285
that came out of some of these conversations. We disagreed maybe about what that

727
00:52:06,445 --> 00:52:10,125
meant. Some of us felt like it meant transit. Some of us felt like it was connecting major roadways,

728
00:52:10,705 --> 00:52:14,685
uh, crossing arterials, those kinds of things. Uh, verti port was mentioned, future mobility.

729
00:52:14,865 --> 00:52:18,645
the airport was a discussion as well. So lots of different meanings behind

730
00:52:18,995 --> 00:52:22,885
this kind of space of connectivity. But these were the legacy themes, the one-on-one

731
00:52:23,405 --> 00:52:27,325
interviews. These are, again, I had great interviews and great discussions with all of you, and I

732
00:52:27,445 --> 00:52:31,205
really appreciate your time with this. It is hard to encapsulate so many different

733
00:52:31,565 --> 00:52:34,705
viewpoints. This is my best attempt at that. Okay? So

734
00:52:36,095 --> 00:52:39,965
happy to be beat up for something if I did it, please recorrect me if I got something

735
00:52:40,245 --> 00:52:44,205
incorrect in this. But these were key themes. Um, addison is in an execution

736
00:52:44,725 --> 00:52:48,685
phase. That was part of what we talked about. We're past some of the visioning stuff. We have

737
00:52:48,885 --> 00:52:52,845
a sense of a lot of these things. We're here to get the results done, and we want to see that

738
00:52:53,075 --> 00:52:57,005
execution continue to happen. So one, a lot of agreement

739
00:52:57,385 --> 00:53:00,885
and a lot of support for staff and the work that they've done. A lot of,

740
00:53:01,545 --> 00:53:05,245
we are in an execution phase. Let's keep making progress. And I would like to see that progress.

741
00:53:05,765 --> 00:53:09,765
I would like to know that we are making that progress happen. So that was a lot of discussion that I had.

742
00:53:10,185 --> 00:53:14,145
um, dart is a proxy issue. So dart was an important one.

743
00:53:14,645 --> 00:53:18,565
I had a discussion with everybody here on dart. I'm sure you've had more discussions on that. That was an issue that

744
00:53:18,725 --> 00:53:22,715
was of, of importance for everybody here. So at some

745
00:53:22,875 --> 00:53:26,485
point that discussion became a discussion and it meant something different to

746
00:53:27,085 --> 00:53:30,965
everyone, is what I can tell you about that. So that's how I looked at

747
00:53:31,125 --> 00:53:34,905
that one. Um, some of us were about fiscal trust, some of us were about the

748
00:53:35,365 --> 00:53:39,365
location that we are and how we connecting things. Um, and then engagement was about trust, not volume.

749
00:53:39,825 --> 00:53:43,765
nobody indicated support for more engagement of the wrong

750
00:53:43,965 --> 00:53:47,765
type. That's just it. It was like, hey, let's not hold town hall for town hall's sake. However,

751
00:53:48,315 --> 00:53:52,305
when we do a project in this neighborhood, let's make sure we're doing everything we can in

752
00:53:52,525 --> 00:53:56,485
some cases door to door, let's knock door to door. In some cases, it was like, what can we

753
00:53:56,605 --> 00:53:59,925
do to increase the engagement before a vote comes before council?

754
00:54:00,945 --> 00:54:04,725
and that was really the key underpinning of the discussion was there had been a few

755
00:54:05,085 --> 00:54:09,085
specific examples where it was felt like that didn't occur. Um, staff didn't

756
00:54:09,485 --> 00:54:13,165
do anything wrong. That was never the statement. I did not hear that from folks. What I heard was,

757
00:54:14,065 --> 00:54:17,485
I'd love it if the residents engaged more. I have no idea how to make that happen.

758
00:54:19,145 --> 00:54:22,805
and there were a few ideas, but it was door to door knocking was basically

759
00:54:23,225 --> 00:54:27,165
the best that anybody could come up with that I heard. Um, but it was, hey, we're doing

760
00:54:27,245 --> 00:54:31,005
the social media stuff, we're doing the town halls, we're doing the in the parks,

761
00:54:31,285 --> 00:54:35,175
we're doing that. And we still don't get the right types of engagement from the community, which

762
00:54:35,525 --> 00:54:39,485
is why that community engagement discussion was so robust, um, with all of you

763
00:54:39,605 --> 00:54:43,605
as well. So I just wanna pause there because one I'd like for you to have the opportunity to

764
00:54:43,805 --> 00:54:47,745
correct anything that you feel is a misrepresentation if I did that, or two

765
00:54:48,505 --> 00:54:52,405
say that. We'll get into some of these discussions as well. But I also just wanted you to see kind of things that

766
00:54:52,685 --> 00:54:55,125
were themes in the discussions that I had with you before I kept going.

767
00:54:58,525 --> 00:55:02,505
uh, can you explain number two? Dart is a proxy issue. What do you mean

768
00:55:02,685 --> 00:55:06,485
by proxy issue? I understand all the bullet points. Yeah. In

769
00:55:06,705 --> 00:55:10,665
this case, everybody's feeling was different about dart straight up. Everybody had a different

770
00:55:10,825 --> 00:55:14,665
viewpoint on dart, whether it was the underpinnings for successful mobility throughout the entire

771
00:55:14,905 --> 00:55:18,725
community, uh, whether it was the backbone or the future of what we're doing. Whether it

772
00:55:18,945 --> 00:55:22,905
was the thing that would recruit and allow economic development and revitalization, whether it

773
00:55:23,105 --> 00:55:26,745
was fiscal irresponsibility, whether it was signaling to the public,

774
00:55:27,125 --> 00:55:30,905
our desire to make sure that they have the right to vote, whether it, so everybody

775
00:55:31,265 --> 00:55:35,225
had a slightly different viewpoint. Some of us were in the space of the residents should have the right

776
00:55:35,345 --> 00:55:39,225
to vote. That's what we're about when it comes to dart. If they vote to keep it, they vote to

777
00:55:39,385 --> 00:55:43,375
keep it, but they should have the right to vote. And some of us were like, this is the thing that underlies

778
00:55:44,045 --> 00:55:47,645
all the rest of what we're trying to do with economic development and revitalization. So

779
00:55:48,535 --> 00:55:52,185
dart was the topic, but the issue changed depending on who I talked to

780
00:55:53,075 --> 00:55:57,025
about why it was important to you. So what I

781
00:55:57,145 --> 00:56:01,065
was saying with this is that it's not that dart's not important, it's incredibly important. We just all

782
00:56:01,225 --> 00:56:04,545
have very different viewpoints on why that topic is so important to us.

783
00:56:05,255 --> 00:56:07,195
fiscal responsibility, connectivity,

784
00:56:09,495 --> 00:56:13,435
we all just had a different viewpoint on why dart was important. So that's why I call it a proxy issue because it wasn't,

785
00:56:15,125 --> 00:56:19,045
it wasn't fully dart. It was what dart means in

786
00:56:19,265 --> 00:56:23,185
the larger context of all the other discussions. Thank you. Yes.

787
00:56:27,265 --> 00:56:31,245
so on the execution phase, uh, I agree. I think we're doing a lot of things right and going in

788
00:56:31,365 --> 00:56:35,245
the right direction in general. Um, just my own thought

789
00:56:35,545 --> 00:56:39,525
is, uh, we should weigh very strongly on economic development to revitalization.

790
00:56:40,945 --> 00:56:44,905
um, and just, I suppose maybe it's, it's just executing that if,

791
00:56:45,145 --> 00:56:48,805
if that's right. I just wanna make sure it's not missed, uh, up there.

792
00:56:50,005 --> 00:56:53,815
yeah. Thank you for that. Absolutely. Execution. Yeah. Okay. There were strong,

793
00:56:54,595 --> 00:56:58,225
um, strong support from everybody when it came to staff

794
00:56:58,675 --> 00:57:02,495
is doing a great job. We have a great staff. Like that was a common theme from

795
00:57:02,695 --> 00:57:06,675
all the conversations I had. It was a handful of, we could do this a

796
00:57:06,795 --> 00:57:10,215
little better, we could do this, but definitely with you on that. Yep. Great.

797
00:57:12,975 --> 00:57:16,605
okay. We can have more discussion on this, but I just wanted you to see those conversations

798
00:57:17,505 --> 00:57:21,485
as a, as a whole. Um, when we get into the strategic objectives, like I said, I'm gonna do

799
00:57:21,645 --> 00:57:25,635
this in sort of order of most agreement to areas

800
00:57:26,045 --> 00:57:29,945
of leased agreement. My hope is to build a little love and momentum as we get into some of

801
00:57:30,065 --> 00:57:34,065
those areas where we might have a little more of that disagreement. Let's just start with this

802
00:57:34,185 --> 00:57:38,025
one. Public safety bottom line is, it's our highest priority across the board. Had

803
00:57:38,225 --> 00:57:42,125
20.8% when it came to the points overall, that 100 points scale. So

804
00:57:42,345 --> 00:57:46,035
it's hugely important to us. It has complete and unanimous support from the council. There

805
00:57:46,385 --> 00:57:50,215
was not a single objection or change requested in this. With that said,

806
00:57:52,485 --> 00:57:56,425
yep, yep, yep, yep. Look at us. Go look at us.

807
00:57:56,585 --> 00:58:00,425
go. That was an easy one. It was. That's why I'm throwing out softballs

808
00:58:00,705 --> 00:58:04,645
to start with here. That way we can knock 'em out of the park. . I knew it. That's

809
00:58:05,065 --> 00:58:08,905
the fun part though, right? We do have complete agreement on this. So for my public safety team

810
00:58:09,185 --> 00:58:11,725
in the room. Yeah. And let's go. All right. Um,

811
00:58:13,655 --> 00:58:17,025
with that said, so economic development, right? Uh, revitalization also a huge

812
00:58:17,785 --> 00:58:21,745
priority for us. It's a great, it's a great conversation that we had. All we want

813
00:58:22,005 --> 00:58:25,825
is more and better. That was it, right? How do we go about doing it? There

814
00:58:26,025 --> 00:58:29,305
was some how and some discussions in this. Okay. Um, 83% supportive,

815
00:58:30,105 --> 00:58:33,945
17% neutral, which basically means one vote out of this was a neutral vote.

816
00:58:34,145 --> 00:58:37,925
everything else was, uh, very supportive. Um, these ones had,

817
00:58:38,155 --> 00:58:42,005
again, no objection to them. These were ones where we had a lot of alignment and

818
00:58:42,225 --> 00:58:46,225
support. I've truncated them so they'll fit on a slide. Okay. So remember there's a longer wording

819
00:58:46,625 --> 00:58:50,185
there. I apologize for that. Hopefully you understand which ones. These were the conversations

820
00:58:50,705 --> 00:58:54,605
when it came to modifying, um, basically the addison way conversation

821
00:58:55,465 --> 00:58:59,445
was part of it. We had that in there. Some folks felt like it makes it more expensive for us to

822
00:58:59,645 --> 00:59:03,445
do construction on given projects. And that was the, the maybe the consternation

823
00:59:04,045 --> 00:59:07,715
around some of it. Um, the phrase is unclear, and again, addison

824
00:59:08,205 --> 00:59:12,175
way, addison brand might be misunderstood, but there was a little bit of that discussion.

825
00:59:12,845 --> 00:59:16,525
and so I think there's some clarification that could occur there. But that was the discussion.

826
00:59:16,995 --> 00:59:20,825
okay. Um, and then add and strengthen, um, economic

827
00:59:21,055 --> 00:59:25,015
development, uh, resources and tools for redevelopment. So redevelopment in

828
00:59:25,215 --> 00:59:28,455
particular was a discussion that came out in one-on-ones. Also came out through the survey,

829
00:59:29,435 --> 00:59:33,355
how many incentives and what types of incentives should we put in place to create the

830
00:59:33,575 --> 00:59:37,555
right kind of redevelopment that we're after. The one specifically mentioned were, uh,

831
00:59:38,335 --> 00:59:42,255
aging office buildings and aging hotels. Those were the two

832
00:59:42,375 --> 00:59:46,375
that kind of received the highest level of sort of visibility throughout the discussions in

833
00:59:46,535 --> 00:59:50,475
the survey. And the other one is how can we leverage the airport more and

834
00:59:50,695 --> 00:59:54,395
the opportunities to leverage the airport more was a discussion as well. Um,

835
00:59:55,275 --> 00:59:59,255
so I'll pause there for thoughts on this. Again, these right here as

836
00:59:59,665 --> 01:00:03,455
overarching themes, we had a lot of agreement on maybe the, how

837
01:00:03,765 --> 01:00:07,635
underneath those is something that initiatives might be the space

838
01:00:07,835 --> 01:00:11,675
where we could backfill some of that. Um, but I'm just saying we don't have objections

839
01:00:12,315 --> 01:00:16,295
to this. I'll stop, I'll stop here because it is probably worth a little bit of

840
01:00:16,375 --> 01:00:20,315
discussion to have about economic development. But, um, that's

841
01:00:20,805 --> 01:00:23,855
what the data said. So,

842
01:00:25,035 --> 01:00:29,015
uh, I'm in total agreement with this slide. The only, the only thought

843
01:00:29,335 --> 01:00:32,955
I shared with you, and probably in the survey also is, um,

844
01:00:34,155 --> 01:00:38,015
uh, just modify 2.4. It just seemed a little redundant the addison way,

845
01:00:38,215 --> 01:00:41,975
when we're talking about economic development and revitalization. It just,

846
01:00:42,355 --> 01:00:45,335
to me, it just, I would just change it to optimize and market,

847
01:00:46,395 --> 01:00:50,145
uh, the addison brand and just leave it short and

848
01:00:50,605 --> 01:00:52,385
succinct and, um, clear. Yep.

849
01:00:56,695 --> 01:01:00,505
I'll make a point. Um, to marlon's point about brand

850
01:01:00,825 --> 01:01:04,665
versus way, I would a hundred percent agree with that comment. The other thing that,

851
01:01:05,055 --> 01:01:08,735
when I think about marketing and I see 2.8 business and realtor relationships,

852
01:01:10,365 --> 01:01:13,985
um, I don't, and I like to see us play that up more because

853
01:01:14,865 --> 01:01:18,705
ultimately when people always pull maps out, nobody uses the old mapsco. But when

854
01:01:18,905 --> 01:01:22,745
we use virtual maps in our ed packet that we've left behind at some

855
01:01:22,945 --> 01:01:26,685
of these conferences, um, it's amazing. I love how we've highlighted the

856
01:01:27,065 --> 01:01:30,905
platinum corridor and we are the bullseye on the map. So if you're a potential

857
01:01:31,995 --> 01:01:35,905
relocating business from colorado or east coast, and you were

858
01:01:36,025 --> 01:01:39,945
to pull a map out and say, we wanna move to dfw, where do we look? How does,

859
01:01:40,285 --> 01:01:43,335
how do we market? And I guess it is realtors or, um, brokers.

860
01:01:44,445 --> 01:01:47,885
how do we get that bullseye more as a brand symbol

861
01:01:48,895 --> 01:01:52,345
than just the blue dot? It would be my ask of the group in the room.

862
01:01:53,575 --> 01:01:57,465
okay. Yep. Yeah. And I, I'll agree with marlon regarding

863
01:01:58,125 --> 01:02:01,865
the addison way being part of this. And I, I recall the conversation from

864
01:02:02,145 --> 01:02:05,585
last year there, there was mixed feelings about it

865
01:02:06,315 --> 01:02:09,885
where there was some interest in that. The addison way needed to be almost

866
01:02:11,005 --> 01:02:14,845
in every everything, every everything. Correct. And so that's us, us

867
01:02:15,065 --> 01:02:18,905
overusing it ourselves. And so I think, I think taking

868
01:02:19,345 --> 01:02:23,305
it out of that, I think that would be, that would be helpful. And, and, and to look, to

869
01:02:23,525 --> 01:02:27,235
look at, look at, look at other places where we might be overusing it as well. Because

870
01:02:27,785 --> 01:02:31,645
it, it does get diluted whenever, whenever it's, uh, everywhere like that.

871
01:02:32,025 --> 01:02:35,925
yep. Well, I feel very strongly

872
01:02:36,045 --> 01:02:40,005
about, um, the economic development side of things. I think

873
01:02:40,125 --> 01:02:43,105
it's the most important thing that we can do. And I think it's where we,

874
01:02:44,215 --> 01:02:48,155
you know, can all agree that we can do better. I mean, this time last year we had

875
01:02:48,275 --> 01:02:51,875
the same conversation. So when the budget came around, we added another employee

876
01:02:52,735 --> 01:02:56,355
to that office, and we also added a little more as far as dollars.

877
01:02:57,695 --> 01:03:01,415
um, but I don't know how, how deep

878
01:03:01,725 --> 01:03:05,705
you want to go in that conversation. I mean, um, I don't

879
01:03:05,865 --> 01:03:09,585
wanna get too much in the weeds, but I have my own ideas on what we should be doing,

880
01:03:10,085 --> 01:03:13,525
um, you know, to dan's questions about, um,

881
01:03:14,165 --> 01:03:18,105
you know, what are we doing, you know, the business and realtor relationships. We had

882
01:03:18,225 --> 01:03:22,185
a good conversation about that last year, but there's so many things that I feel like we should

883
01:03:22,305 --> 01:03:26,065
be doing, and I don't know what the role of council would be. You know, it's like a fine line between

884
01:03:27,215 --> 01:03:31,115
like micromanaging and just sitting back and let you know staff

885
01:03:31,465 --> 01:03:34,775
do their thing. So that's where I have a, a problem with that.

886
01:03:36,015 --> 01:03:39,945
yep. So, I mean, I would, I would encourage you to,

887
01:03:40,205 --> 01:03:43,945
to have the conversation right now. Yep. I mean, even if we get into detailed questions, let's answer

888
01:03:44,305 --> 01:03:48,225
'em. And we can, we can parse out what makes sense for the strategic plan, but we have

889
01:03:48,345 --> 01:03:52,185
staff here. I would, I would get it all out. Ask your questions, give your thoughts, and then

890
01:03:52,735 --> 01:03:56,705
what we can do is react to that and say either, hey, here's maybe what we're doing

891
01:03:56,825 --> 01:04:00,725
to that effort. Here's how we can change, here's how it could be a new strategic objective. We

892
01:04:00,945 --> 01:04:04,545
can react to your comments. But we wanted, this is the chance to, to hear 'em.

893
01:04:07,285 --> 01:04:11,125
I, I'm with you on that point, which is to say, this is the room for the discussion, and

894
01:04:11,815 --> 01:04:15,565
let's have a little bit of that discussion. When you talk about revitalization, economic development,

895
01:04:15,925 --> 01:04:19,365
we had a robust discussion about this. What does it mean to you? Help staff understand

896
01:04:20,025 --> 01:04:23,645
the intent and then they can help with projects and initiatives underneath

897
01:04:24,535 --> 01:04:28,405
these objectives that will help accomplish the intent that you're after. I would just like

898
01:04:28,565 --> 01:04:32,405
to see, because we did have this specific, one of the addison wave removal on that particular

899
01:04:32,905 --> 01:04:36,445
phrase. Can I get a temperature check outta the room? We don't take votes, we take preferences,

900
01:04:37,055 --> 01:04:40,965
votes happen later in formal settings. But just in terms of that, is that

901
01:04:41,125 --> 01:04:45,085
an acceptable concept to remove the addison way as a phrasing from this? And that moves

902
01:04:45,245 --> 01:04:49,205
that one across the finish line for us right there on that particular objective. Would

903
01:04:49,405 --> 01:04:52,995
that be okay with everybody? Does that feel okay? Yep, yep, yep. Getting

904
01:04:53,615 --> 01:04:57,605
yeses in general. Okay. With that said, we're gonna remove the addison way from that particular

905
01:04:58,105 --> 01:05:02,045
one. Um, with that said, let's have the discussion. What are the things when it

906
01:05:02,165 --> 01:05:06,125
comes to economic development and revitalization, which are important to us, we have these right here.

907
01:05:06,955 --> 01:05:10,905
what does it mean to you? Tell me that one of the things, this is more tactical and it may be sub,

908
01:05:11,345 --> 01:05:15,305
uh, objective and more of an initiative, but really focused on

909
01:05:15,525 --> 01:05:19,505
getting a nice hotel or two in towns, high premium hotels.

910
01:05:20,345 --> 01:05:24,105
and that may be, uh, taking what we've got in some way, pushing, uh,

911
01:05:24,525 --> 01:05:28,525
a, a big remodel of the hotel. We don't need. And we've heard

912
01:05:28,645 --> 01:05:32,605
from so many, uh, engagements with, uh, our existing visits, uh, in the c-suite.

913
01:05:33,395 --> 01:05:36,945
they send their folks down the street out of addison to, to stay at different hotels.

914
01:05:37,505 --> 01:05:41,205
and we, we've gotta fix that. So I'd like to see a, a, a strong

915
01:05:41,555 --> 01:05:45,245
push, uh, to, to get a nice hotel

916
01:05:45,595 --> 01:05:49,225
or two. And I, I know we have a couple new ones coming online, uh, remodeled

917
01:05:49,835 --> 01:05:53,715
once. So I'll stop that. Thank you. Mm-hmm . On that

918
01:05:54,075 --> 01:05:57,925
topic of, of hotels, and, you know, it's easy to say,

919
01:05:58,125 --> 01:06:02,025
let's get a nice hotel or two that's four or five years

920
01:06:02,225 --> 01:06:06,185
down the road. An idea I've had since before I got on

921
01:06:06,345 --> 01:06:10,345
council and, and since I've been on it, and I want to get an agenda item put on so we can truly discuss this.

922
01:06:13,405 --> 01:06:17,145
we need to nourish what we have. And we have

923
01:06:17,525 --> 01:06:21,425
two really nice hotels that at one point in their lives

924
01:06:21,625 --> 01:06:25,545
were really nice, that that would accommodate people that

925
01:06:25,825 --> 01:06:29,825
are, that come in that are now bypassing us. And I would truly like to

926
01:06:29,945 --> 01:06:33,685
see us discuss, uh, rather than just spend our

927
01:06:33,995 --> 01:06:37,945
hotel and tax money on different things, why can't

928
01:06:38,265 --> 01:06:42,135
we give them a, a refund on their

929
01:06:42,355 --> 01:06:45,995
own tax money? Call it a grant, a city grant back to,

930
01:06:47,245 --> 01:06:51,165
uh, the hotels that pay into that fund and get them to

931
01:06:51,515 --> 01:06:54,505
agree to spend that money on that building.

932
01:06:55,645 --> 01:06:59,215
get, and, and they would be using their own money with

933
01:06:59,735 --> 01:07:03,385
city assistance on a grant back to that hotel and get them to do some refurbishment

934
01:07:04,605 --> 01:07:06,505
to bring them up to a more cosmetic

935
01:07:08,715 --> 01:07:12,595
level. And, um, it, it would just be a way of using

936
01:07:12,955 --> 01:07:16,885
their own and, and embracing what we've got. And it would be a faster way

937
01:07:17,105 --> 01:07:20,825
to get our hotels back online. And I have many more ideas on that

938
01:07:21,525 --> 01:07:25,505
may not be the place to put 'em all out, but I would truly like to get an agenda item put on where we

939
01:07:25,625 --> 01:07:29,625
can talk about reutilizing, the hot tax, a hotel and

940
01:07:29,825 --> 01:07:33,545
tax fund, uh, in a more productive way in our

941
01:07:34,065 --> 01:07:37,405
buildings, in our town. If we're gonna talk just hotels.

942
01:07:38,625 --> 01:07:42,525
I, I think, I think you bring up a good point, but for me, it's

943
01:07:42,765 --> 01:07:45,565
all about highest and best use. We have, what, 23, 24

944
01:07:48,265 --> 01:07:50,565
hotels. And to your point, two of them are probably still working.

945
01:07:52,765 --> 01:07:56,715
I wanna know why the, the rest aren't working, right? Um, average

946
01:07:58,355 --> 01:08:01,635
revenue per night is like $60, right? That's pitiful.

947
01:08:02,435 --> 01:08:06,275
that attracts a certain type of client, thank

948
01:08:06,625 --> 01:08:10,245
you client or creates issues for us. So

949
01:08:10,745 --> 01:08:14,625
I almost think it needs to go a step further. And I don't know how you do this, but you know,

950
01:08:14,815 --> 01:08:18,605
some of those properties have outlived their useful life, and that's why,

951
01:08:19,265 --> 01:08:23,145
and I'm not sure investing in them is the best thing. And

952
01:08:23,365 --> 01:08:26,645
that's one of the things I think from an economic development perspective, we can do,

953
01:08:27,465 --> 01:08:31,245
be aware when those properties hit the market. And, you know, we need to have,

954
01:08:32,465 --> 01:08:36,445
you know, some developers in our back pocket that we could say, hey,

955
01:08:36,865 --> 01:08:40,525
here's our vision, you know, here's our comprehensive plan. We think

956
01:08:41,755 --> 01:08:45,585
that hotel will be great for you. Name it. Um, and we do the, and,

957
01:08:45,825 --> 01:08:49,785
and we do the, do the things needed to maybe entice them. So I don't know if that's, um,

958
01:08:50,225 --> 01:08:54,085
infrastructure or, or, or some way of getting

959
01:08:54,325 --> 01:08:57,725
that to turn. So I guess my point is, some of the hotels we have,

960
01:08:58,545 --> 01:09:02,445
it might not make sense for 'em to continue to be hotels. And I agree with that completely,

961
01:09:02,985 --> 01:09:06,715
but part of my plan would be they would present us with

962
01:09:07,005 --> 01:09:10,685
what they would like to do to basically plans for some type of

963
01:09:11,045 --> 01:09:14,995
renovation or freight up, and then we would approve them just like a grant tool.

964
01:09:15,835 --> 01:09:19,655
they wouldn't, every one of them wouldn't get an automatic percentage

965
01:09:20,325 --> 01:09:24,325
of their money back unless they were willing to put it in. And we all approve that it would come

966
01:09:24,485 --> 01:09:28,155
through the council or through economic, whoever to approve that. But just

967
01:09:28,525 --> 01:09:32,235
a way of, of getting some of their money back

968
01:09:32,545 --> 01:09:35,885
to them to make everything better for all of us.

969
01:09:36,865 --> 01:09:40,785
to the point you make, randy, and we, we do have a program, david, clarify me if I'm wrong on

970
01:09:41,005 --> 01:09:44,675
the facade program, we discussed a few years back about grants. Exactly.

971
01:09:45,225 --> 01:09:49,125
to your point is, is something we've made available or have had

972
01:09:49,285 --> 01:09:52,855
discussions and made policy about the second part, to chris's point about

973
01:09:53,755 --> 01:09:57,345
what about the clientele of some of that $60 a night hotel? That's

974
01:09:57,765 --> 01:10:01,745
what I'm thrilled most about, is the fact that chief freeze came in. We've all approved this. We

975
01:10:01,965 --> 01:10:05,865
have a tier one, tier two program, which I cannot wait to

976
01:10:06,085 --> 01:10:10,045
see how that pans out as long as we are willing to hold their feet to the fire. And if

977
01:10:10,205 --> 01:10:13,805
they go tier two, the co gets pulled. I mean, there's one way of

978
01:10:14,245 --> 01:10:17,485
cleaning things up back to brand or way, it's enforcement.

979
01:10:18,265 --> 01:10:21,795
and our code enforcement has to just lock and buckle down. Because

980
01:10:22,405 --> 01:10:26,245
I think you'll find that owners of these, let's call

981
01:10:26,525 --> 01:10:30,485
'em certain tiered hotels, don't need to be refurbished. They don't, they don't need a dollar

982
01:10:30,605 --> 01:10:34,455
of our money because their ownership and or management don't

983
01:10:34,805 --> 01:10:38,725
care. They just flat out don't replace light bulbs. So I'd like to see

984
01:10:38,845 --> 01:10:42,805
it split apart where you're, if you're tiered one and you want to have a serious conversation with

985
01:10:43,005 --> 01:10:47,005
this council and this town staff about reinvestment, like, like looking

986
01:10:47,245 --> 01:10:50,765
at the renaissance up the way, um, at legacy

987
01:10:51,555 --> 01:10:55,485
west versus our renaissance as an example, it's night and day. So they

988
01:10:55,725 --> 01:10:59,085
are, they are there to be saved, ie marriott. But when you talk about,

989
01:11:00,345 --> 01:11:04,005
you know, not having a program, we do, correct me if I'm wrong, david, we do have a program.

990
01:11:04,825 --> 01:11:08,805
so, um, so yeah, so I think this is a really good conversation. I

991
01:11:08,925 --> 01:11:12,725
think I, I think actually there are a couple different conversations going on. I think to randy's

992
01:11:13,285 --> 01:11:17,085
point, yes, we can model something after the program you're mentioning,

993
01:11:17,325 --> 01:11:21,205
but we can do one tailored to hotels if that's what council wants, and we can look at using

994
01:11:21,545 --> 01:11:25,285
hot funds. And I mean, that's something, if we wanna make that a strategic strategic objective,

995
01:11:25,805 --> 01:11:29,605
we're gonna start working on it and we'll bring it back as what could that look like. So I think

996
01:11:30,395 --> 01:11:34,285
that would be a template for it structure wise to start and then have a conversation with

997
01:11:34,485 --> 01:11:38,485
council. But I do wanna say to, to chris's point, maybe this, just to kind

998
01:11:38,685 --> 01:11:42,505
of go back to what I think you're saying, hopefully, and maybe try to help that a little bit is yes,

999
01:11:42,745 --> 01:11:46,345
dan, well, you're the programs we have right now to help ensure that the hotels

1000
01:11:46,765 --> 01:11:50,405
are living up to the quality we expect is a line that we're going down.

1001
01:11:51,465 --> 01:11:55,445
but correct me if I'm wrong, maybe what you're asking is something a little bit different and something might

1002
01:11:55,765 --> 01:11:59,565
be in more in line with what we just did on multifamily or, or I'm sorry.

1003
01:11:59,795 --> 01:12:02,985
yeah. On, on, on multifamily where we, and, and sin, um,

1004
01:12:03,905 --> 01:12:07,465
and be simple ownership where we're brought somebody in and we present it to you all,

1005
01:12:08,025 --> 01:12:11,885
here's what the reality is right now, and here are some steps that we

1006
01:12:12,045 --> 01:12:15,805
can do moving forward. If that was the desire from council, we could use something

1007
01:12:16,085 --> 01:12:19,765
similar to hotels, bring someone to come in and try or, or ourselves

1008
01:12:21,505 --> 01:12:25,485
try to, I define why we're in the situation that we're in, and then

1009
01:12:25,725 --> 01:12:29,505
have a step moving forward and make that an initiative as we go forward. Which is

1010
01:12:29,825 --> 01:12:33,595
in conjunction with the other two conversations. But I do think it's a distinct of what you're asking. Yeah.

1011
01:12:33,925 --> 01:12:37,805
I I I think the discussion we had on, um, just housing

1012
01:12:38,205 --> 01:12:42,085
products was a, was a, was a really a, a good one, right? And I walked away with,

1013
01:12:42,245 --> 01:12:46,045
one of the things that I heard him say was, we need to identify what the next

1014
01:12:46,285 --> 01:12:50,285
neighborhood's gonna be. And, you know, um, we need to

1015
01:12:50,405 --> 01:12:54,285
be sort of aspirational. We, you know, build something that maybe we don't have, maybe

1016
01:12:54,605 --> 01:12:58,345
at a higher price point. But what I meant by my comment was,

1017
01:12:58,785 --> 01:13:02,665
and, and I won't get into specifics, but you know, there's a property that is,

1018
01:13:03,545 --> 01:13:07,445
you know, right on the trail right next to the dog park that would've been

1019
01:13:07,605 --> 01:13:11,345
perfect for, you know, I think, I can't remember how many acres it is, but,

1020
01:13:11,745 --> 01:13:15,265
um, you know, it would've been perfect, um, for

1021
01:13:15,875 --> 01:13:19,485
some sort of ownership product, right? It's right next to the dog park right on the trail.

1022
01:13:20,625 --> 01:13:24,005
um, I feel like just those two things right there are enough

1023
01:13:25,025 --> 01:13:28,765
to make whatever was developed there successful, it, and that

1024
01:13:29,325 --> 01:13:33,085
property went on the market. That's, that was an opportunity for us. Someone else bought

1025
01:13:33,405 --> 01:13:37,205
it, and it's continuing to, you know, charge the 60 or $80 a night.

1026
01:13:37,785 --> 01:13:41,765
and I don't know how we get better at that. But, um, you know, I

1027
01:13:42,025 --> 01:13:45,845
to your point, I think identifying the sites and then having a few things in

1028
01:13:46,045 --> 01:13:49,775
our toolbox, and part of that might be the vision and sharing that vision might

1029
01:13:50,125 --> 01:13:53,595
be a good place to start, if I can add to that. So back to chris's

1030
01:13:54,245 --> 01:13:57,985
question, which was the biggest question of all, why are people not checking into our hotels

1031
01:13:58,405 --> 01:14:02,245
and the rate driving the rate up by occupancy? I would ask

1032
01:14:02,445 --> 01:14:06,005
the question of our town staff and ourselves, have we gotten

1033
01:14:06,825 --> 01:14:10,715
to the top 20 business owners, mary

1034
01:14:11,105 --> 01:14:14,485
kay being one, the hospital being two, when they have conferences,

1035
01:14:15,355 --> 01:14:19,265
when they have visitors coming in town, have we pulled them to ask, by

1036
01:14:19,485 --> 01:14:23,445
the way, when you have your board coming in for a meeting of 12 to 20 people, where do you

1037
01:14:23,565 --> 01:14:27,285
put them up? Where are you recommending they stay? Do we know that information? And if we do,

1038
01:14:27,985 --> 01:14:31,885
if we do, great question. I think the mayor, other folks who've been on

1039
01:14:32,005 --> 01:14:35,965
the business retention meetings, we know the answer to that. And they're not staying in addison,

1040
01:14:36,405 --> 01:14:40,365
they're going to frisco, they're going uptown. Um, that's the answer. And that

1041
01:14:40,585 --> 01:14:44,385
is really what's driving a lot of this conversation. But I'll open that up to anyone else. When we do kaboom

1042
01:14:44,805 --> 01:14:48,785
town or we sell bundles and packets, hey, you tickets and stay at our hotels,

1043
01:14:49,225 --> 01:14:53,205
you get ticket. How do we maybe maybe make that an enticement to the

1044
01:14:53,565 --> 01:14:57,525
business owners to say, hey, if you're holding, if you're holding a conference or

1045
01:14:57,725 --> 01:15:01,445
you're gonna have 20 doctors in for a meeting and you stay in addison, you get

1046
01:15:01,805 --> 01:15:05,805
xi don't know what that is. Is it a, is it a coupon to a restaurant, which I would

1047
01:15:05,925 --> 01:15:09,925
think would happen because we have so many restaurants? Or is it the bat box? Is it the

1048
01:15:10,085 --> 01:15:13,765
put shack? I don't know. But we have so many resources, right? On beltline,

1049
01:15:14,675 --> 01:15:18,645
it's a tragedy that they would go stay at up north or down south, I

1050
01:15:18,765 --> 01:15:22,725
think. I think all those things help, but ultimately it's, they're looking for the quality of the

1051
01:15:22,845 --> 01:15:26,465
hotel, uhhuh, that they wanna stay at. So that's

1052
01:15:26,885 --> 01:15:30,745
the fundamental issue. So some of these other conversations we're having, I think can help that. But

1053
01:15:31,245 --> 01:15:35,165
I think all those pieces are gonna help on the margins. But to try to get

1054
01:15:35,365 --> 01:15:38,765
folks to really want to do their conferences here, and it should, it's gonna be us working with

1055
01:15:39,385 --> 01:15:43,205
our partners to try to improve those. But I don't think that's how you define success

1056
01:15:43,905 --> 01:15:46,805
by saying, let's get 20 doctors in here and have one successful

1057
01:15:47,915 --> 01:15:51,525
weekend. Or let's have one successful week where we have a nice conference.

1058
01:15:53,045 --> 01:15:56,485
I think you get to the point where you ask the question, do we have too many

1059
01:15:57,265 --> 01:16:01,045
hotels? And like I said before, can, can those properties that have

1060
01:16:01,885 --> 01:16:05,765
probably seen better days be repurposed to something else?

1061
01:16:06,825 --> 01:16:10,805
or apartments? Yeah, I, yeah, I mean, I know randy's a big fan

1062
01:16:10,925 --> 01:16:14,285
of apartments and I mean, that's always something that we can discuss. ,

1063
01:16:14,955 --> 01:16:18,845
some of your hotels were apartments. As somebody who stays here,

1064
01:16:19,275 --> 01:16:22,405
I'll just say the first time I stayed here, I always used hilton properties.

1065
01:16:23,335 --> 01:16:27,325
first time I stayed here, somebody did not tell me which properties to stay at. I stayed

1066
01:16:27,525 --> 01:16:31,385
at the one next to oaked, the oaked restaurant, right? Right. Next door

1067
01:16:31,605 --> 01:16:35,545
is a hilton property. Used to be a hilton property. It's now something else. It was,

1068
01:16:36,425 --> 01:16:39,185
I, I'll say this, , I've stayed in some interesting places,

1069
01:16:40,865 --> 01:16:44,585
, that was one of the more interesting places I'd stayed in. And it was effectively an apartment complex.

1070
01:16:45,025 --> 01:16:48,865
that was a very unusual experience for me. I've stayed at other properties here,

1071
01:16:49,065 --> 01:16:52,625
and now I don't have a problem staying in town. And I was staying at a hilton garden inn, which is just fine.

1072
01:16:53,285 --> 01:16:57,025
but to your point of having nice, upscale, it is an interesting one to have those upscale

1073
01:16:57,565 --> 01:17:01,105
hotels, I think that is something that really pulls folks in. And the revitalization

1074
01:17:01,745 --> 01:17:05,625
of existing assets, I think is a really great conversation to have. Um, you do have

1075
01:17:05,825 --> 01:17:09,605
some older and outdated units, and that's just the truth of it. It, and doing something

1076
01:17:09,965 --> 01:17:13,685
about that, whatever you decide is the, is a, to my mind, a step in the right direction.

1077
01:17:14,065 --> 01:17:17,605
so that's my, I I'll editorialize a little bit on that, but I'll say the first time,

1078
01:17:18,675 --> 01:17:21,525
that was an adventure less than I wanted.

1079
01:17:22,755 --> 01:17:26,685
yeah. And, and from what, from what I heard is, is, uh, as we're coming

1080
01:17:26,805 --> 01:17:30,065
outta the pandemic, you know, a lot of these limited service hotels,

1081
01:17:31,355 --> 01:17:35,045
this, that, that was the only way they, they could stay alive was to go to this

1082
01:17:35,725 --> 01:17:38,865
extended stay, uh, business model. Um, and

1083
01:17:39,985 --> 01:17:43,875
if, if that's, it wasn't really a choice that they, that they had, it's, they

1084
01:17:44,165 --> 01:17:48,005
couldn't just say, well, we're gonna keep charging 80, 90, $120 or whatever.

1085
01:17:48,625 --> 01:17:52,565
uh, but we, we need to get heads and beds and to, to keep

1086
01:17:52,725 --> 01:17:56,085
the place alive. And so that's, that's where we are. And I don't

1087
01:17:56,945 --> 01:18:00,845
get turning, making a turn away from that is, is hard, you know? 'cause it's, you

1088
01:18:01,005 --> 01:18:03,515
know, we don't, we don't own those businesses. They're, they're,

1089
01:18:05,205 --> 01:18:09,075
they're, they're complying with what they're, what they're approved for. They're, it's a, it's

1090
01:18:09,365 --> 01:18:13,195
a, it's a legal business that they're doing. So, um, it's

1091
01:18:13,485 --> 01:18:17,445
a, it's a challenging thing and I think it's, it's a good discussion to have going forward to see,

1092
01:18:17,645 --> 01:18:21,565
you know, what, what opportunities do we have? It's not, there's no quick solution to it

1093
01:18:21,865 --> 01:18:25,375
in any, any kinda way. For sure. Do, do you think

1094
01:18:26,295 --> 01:18:29,195
in agreeing with your point that it just gets with the competitiveness,

1095
01:18:30,695 --> 01:18:34,475
do you think 30 years ago we may have

1096
01:18:36,575 --> 01:18:40,565
approved too many of these and, and rather, you know, rather than been more

1097
01:18:41,175 --> 01:18:45,135
selective. So going forward from this, you know, there's nothing we can do about 30 years

1098
01:18:45,395 --> 01:18:48,125
ago mm-hmm . But from this day forward, being more

1099
01:18:50,925 --> 01:18:54,685
selective and making sure that we don't oversaturate

1100
01:18:55,625 --> 01:18:59,485
one particular business over, over another one going forward. Sorry. Yeah. And it,

1101
01:18:59,825 --> 01:19:03,485
to chris's point, if there is a way that we can get that redeveloped

1102
01:19:04,005 --> 01:19:07,965
mm-hmm . Then you know that that's a great thing to do yeah. In, in all

1103
01:19:08,165 --> 01:19:12,125
of the old stuff. So yeah. Anytime those projects come up, that's, that's the conversation that needs to be had.

1104
01:19:12,285 --> 01:19:16,045
correct. I agree. Um, that's what I'm going forward. There's nothing we can do absolutely. Right.

1105
01:19:16,425 --> 01:19:20,245
in the past. Yeah. Yeah. Bruce, when you had your, your, um, one-on-one

1106
01:19:21,045 --> 01:19:23,605
business meetings when you're going door to door with economic development,

1107
01:19:25,215 --> 01:19:29,045
bless you. Um, did you notice, like when we used to have the hampton, that became

1108
01:19:29,365 --> 01:19:33,005
something other than on beltway, are you, are you seeing that there's more responsiveness

1109
01:19:33,805 --> 01:19:37,725
to marriott type properties in, into nick's point that I'm umbrella, ihg

1110
01:19:38,245 --> 01:19:42,125
properties, marriott properties, hilton properties? I'm not, I'm not, I don't think I've heard people

1111
01:19:42,675 --> 01:19:46,425
mention particular brands, you know, okay. Of, of hotels,

1112
01:19:46,865 --> 01:19:50,675
but it's just about the quality. So when they're, when their executives come in, uh, yeah,

1113
01:19:50,965 --> 01:19:54,485
they're, they're taking 'em to newer, uh, you know, nicer, nicer properties.

1114
01:19:55,105 --> 01:19:58,925
gotcha. You know, and the, you know, the, the two full service hotels that we have,

1115
01:19:59,745 --> 01:20:03,425
um, they're good, but they, they, they both need some, some love and,

1116
01:20:04,025 --> 01:20:08,025
and, uh, so they're not being chosen by these, by these, uh, the local, uh,

1117
01:20:08,525 --> 01:20:12,385
businesses. Dan, I would, I would echo that exactly what he is saying,

1118
01:20:12,585 --> 01:20:16,545
because we, we've been in these meetings and we're saying,

1119
01:20:16,805 --> 01:20:20,495
hey, we have these two hotels, and they, they basically

1120
01:20:20,895 --> 01:20:24,535
say, no, you don't understand. We, we want something more premium

1121
01:20:25,835 --> 01:20:29,335
than that, and we're willing to drive 15 miles

1122
01:20:30,825 --> 01:20:34,345
to and from each day so that we can have that. So, um,

1123
01:20:34,955 --> 01:20:38,405
that, and the other thing I've heard, um, is maybe not the marriott

1124
01:20:39,075 --> 01:20:42,635
flag, but being able to tap into the marriott rewards program

1125
01:20:43,375 --> 01:20:47,305
being affiliated, somehow that's really important. Is, is what I'm

1126
01:20:47,525 --> 01:20:50,945
hearing is, is that, uh, hotel, hotel, what is it? Dax

1127
01:20:51,585 --> 01:20:55,505
dax, yeah. Um, you know, that, that I believe they're tapped into the marriott reward

1128
01:20:55,925 --> 01:20:59,845
program. And, and apparently that's a very important thing. So those are the, those

1129
01:21:00,165 --> 01:21:04,125
are the two things I'm hearing. Um, at the higher level, obviously, we've

1130
01:21:04,405 --> 01:21:08,385
already discussed the, the ones who are just trying to survive from covid and

1131
01:21:08,605 --> 01:21:12,465
nobody could have predicted. Yeah. That's, that's the point I'm trying to get at bruce, or,

1132
01:21:12,685 --> 01:21:16,445
or, or marlin is exactly that. Fly it under the flag. They have 40 names

1133
01:21:16,765 --> 01:21:20,525
under certain flags, and that does give street cred when you're a business traveler,

1134
01:21:20,965 --> 01:21:24,685
like myself or randy just chimed in. Yeah. I, I do not stay at properties

1135
01:21:25,005 --> 01:21:28,845
that I'm not earning something with because I stay a hundred plus nights out of to addison.

1136
01:21:29,205 --> 01:21:32,895
right. So I think that's what I'm asking, should we be targeting leadership,

1137
01:21:33,565 --> 01:21:37,485
let's call it, of those flag flying brands to reinvest

1138
01:21:37,845 --> 01:21:40,765
in our town? That was the bigger opening. I think the market will drive that,

1139
01:21:42,945 --> 01:21:46,855
right? Yeah. And it, and it just, your question kinda leads me back to darren's thought,

1140
01:21:47,155 --> 01:21:50,685
you know, is, is we're already, we're already targeting

1141
01:21:51,495 --> 01:21:55,225
a premium boutique, um, hotel property, right

1142
01:21:55,635 --> 01:21:59,455
at the tod where you can kind of see it in various, various places.

1143
01:22:00,035 --> 01:22:03,895
but do we wanna, you know, your, your question is, do we want to add it

1144
01:22:05,005 --> 01:22:08,945
as a strategic objective? Is that correct? Is that where we're, because I just would love

1145
01:22:09,125 --> 01:22:13,025
to answer that, if that is your question and kind of move on. Uh, my thought

1146
01:22:13,325 --> 01:22:17,245
the fastest way to get there is to incent and, and to negotiate remodels of,

1147
01:22:17,525 --> 01:22:21,345
of the nice hotel. So to, to your point, randy, yes. Not just build one from scratch.

1148
01:22:21,565 --> 01:22:25,545
we already got one of those on the books. That's great. Uh, I like your idea, david, as

1149
01:22:25,765 --> 01:22:29,765
kind of an initiative is to get in that, uh, presentation that talks about our

1150
01:22:29,975 --> 01:22:33,765
hotel stock that we have, the choices we have and the reality, and give us,

1151
01:22:34,025 --> 01:22:37,445
uh, some, uh, information to make strategic direction changes.

1152
01:22:38,495 --> 01:22:42,295
um, but yeah, I think talking to the, the top tier, I think that we

1153
01:22:42,515 --> 01:22:46,435
should be targeting it just like we do 2.8 up there, business and, uh, realtor

1154
01:22:46,915 --> 01:22:50,715
relationships. Okay. So, uh, I'm just trying to understand

1155
01:22:51,035 --> 01:22:54,235
what you're saying. Do you, do you feel like we need to modify any of these strategic objectives

1156
01:22:55,415 --> 01:22:58,975
or change 'em, or I would say we should add one. Um,

1157
01:22:59,815 --> 01:23:03,765
if it's not up there, just looking at this revitalize hotels and

1158
01:23:03,885 --> 01:23:07,815
meeting space, I'm not too sure that doesn't encompass it. So

1159
01:23:08,255 --> 01:23:11,805
I'm thinking 2.6 probably. Does we just, um,

1160
01:23:12,495 --> 01:23:16,365
give some of the, uh, patients that's

1161
01:23:16,785 --> 01:23:19,695
alright. Do you want us to do that? Do you want us to give

1162
01:23:21,045 --> 01:23:24,985
the, the dis our initiatives? The, the discussion is, is providing

1163
01:23:25,385 --> 01:23:29,305
initiatives. Right now, this discussion is providing initiatives underneath there, but part of it

1164
01:23:29,465 --> 01:23:33,345
is, uh, perhaps a study session. It sounds like could be the right way to go ahead and discuss what

1165
01:23:33,585 --> 01:23:37,585
the hotel stock looks like. So there's some stuff underneath, but it doesn't sound like

1166
01:23:37,785 --> 01:23:41,065
we're actually creating necessarily a new in, uh, a new strategic objective.

1167
01:23:41,845 --> 01:23:45,665
it sounds like we've got some desires to see some specific

1168
01:23:45,935 --> 01:23:49,745
suggestions underneath some of these objectives and say, hey, you know, we'd like to see this

1169
01:23:49,945 --> 01:23:53,685
type of incentive. We would like to see us talk with the top 20 of this, or,

1170
01:23:54,365 --> 01:23:58,325
so it seems like we're already stating some of these and I'm confident somebody on staff is

1171
01:23:58,545 --> 01:24:01,605
capturing some of these initiatives as they come up, or we've got video proof of that. Yes.

1172
01:24:02,725 --> 01:24:06,565
I'd make one suggestion just based on a conversation I'm hearing. You might say,

1173
01:24:07,075 --> 01:24:09,905
revitalize or re you do the microphone, microphone

1174
01:24:11,435 --> 01:24:15,365
revitalize or redevelop because revitalize is

1175
01:24:15,665 --> 01:24:19,525
a much softer yeah, I was gonna suggest that's

1176
01:24:20,025 --> 01:24:23,905
exactly what I was doing, but stronger language. Yep. Okay. That was like

1177
01:24:24,185 --> 01:24:28,065
hang out with chair. So we might take a look at 2.6, make some stronger language about that particular

1178
01:24:28,465 --> 01:24:32,445
item itself. And the, the other, the other thing that, um, if

1179
01:24:32,665 --> 01:24:36,405
you look at initiative, the initiative, 2.2 0.1, um,

1180
01:24:36,735 --> 01:24:40,065
alright. You know, there could be some added, added more descriptive

1181
01:24:40,975 --> 01:24:44,225
wording than just something like, um, develop the tod properties.

1182
01:24:47,835 --> 01:24:51,795
yep. Thanks for that suggestion. Okay. I'm jumping in. I think that's a great, yes. I lit

1183
01:24:52,015 --> 01:24:55,105
this up a long time ago. So we kept going down the hotel,

1184
01:24:56,155 --> 01:24:59,945
uh, slope, which nobody mentioned the, uh, crown plaza, which

1185
01:25:00,295 --> 01:25:03,335
is being redeveloped. I think, aren't we gonna have a really nice,

1186
01:25:04,645 --> 01:25:08,235
okay. Sorry, I didn't know that was the name. But what I wanted to say is

1187
01:25:08,935 --> 01:25:12,465
tying this into some of the other strategic, um, incentives

1188
01:25:13,165 --> 01:25:16,445
here is that we, we said,

1189
01:25:17,265 --> 01:25:21,085
uh, public safety's number one, and we said economic development's number

1190
01:25:21,425 --> 01:25:25,305
two and mobility was somewhere down toward the bottom. And

1191
01:25:25,625 --> 01:25:29,195
yet the biggest thing that we're spending money on is dart.

1192
01:25:30,225 --> 01:25:34,205
and I wanna, I wanna relate the dart back to this conversation because

1193
01:25:35,825 --> 01:25:38,665
1% or 50% of our, um,

1194
01:25:40,155 --> 01:25:44,055
a sales tax revenue is going into dart, which is mobility. And

1195
01:25:44,855 --> 01:25:48,835
we can't change that. The public has to change that if it's gonna get changed. But if we

1196
01:25:49,035 --> 01:25:52,755
were to re-look at that and those dollars

1197
01:25:53,335 --> 01:25:57,235
became available to the town, everything costs money and all of

1198
01:25:57,395 --> 01:26:01,135
this redevelopment, all of this is, it's a, it's a money thing. So

1199
01:26:02,095 --> 01:26:05,775
in, in the decision whether or not to call an election, which we just did,

1200
01:26:07,075 --> 01:26:10,965
part of that is we are spending so much money on mobility,

1201
01:26:11,225 --> 01:26:15,205
and yet mobility was near the bottom. And here where

1202
01:26:15,525 --> 01:26:19,405
we want economic development, we're in competition with all these other cities that are

1203
01:26:19,665 --> 01:26:23,505
non to art cities that have a hundred percent of their sales tax

1204
01:26:23,725 --> 01:26:27,565
revenue, and we only have 50% of ours. So I do want to equate that

1205
01:26:27,845 --> 01:26:31,245
those two things are connected. That these are not all independent

1206
01:26:32,025 --> 01:26:35,285
issues. Mobility is an issue, economic development's an issue.

1207
01:26:36,075 --> 01:26:39,995
dart is a part of that. I know it was on a previous slide and I'm getting into

1208
01:26:40,325 --> 01:26:44,325
a different area, but I think it needs to be brought into this

1209
01:26:44,565 --> 01:26:48,365
conversation because that would give us money that could go toward

1210
01:26:48,965 --> 01:26:52,545
economic development to fix a lot of the things that we're talking about. The

1211
01:26:53,045 --> 01:26:56,405
citizens have to vote on it, it's up to them, but not calling an election

1212
01:26:57,055 --> 01:27:00,925
would have prevented them from doing it. So I think we made the right decision. Well, here's

1213
01:27:01,165 --> 01:27:04,965
the thing that gets lost, right? And this is my biggest argument

1214
01:27:05,425 --> 01:27:08,145
behind staying into art is

1215
01:27:10,705 --> 01:27:14,475
all, all of this is connected, right? And the 17 million

1216
01:27:14,955 --> 01:27:18,745
we pay in, we, we can do one to two things. We can, we can exit

1217
01:27:19,145 --> 01:27:22,715
dart and we can take that money

1218
01:27:23,255 --> 01:27:27,065
and lower the tax rate, right? Use some

1219
01:27:27,355 --> 01:27:31,035
of that money like you're saying now and try to

1220
01:27:32,965 --> 01:27:35,475
bring in developers or use it for economic development.

1221
01:27:38,015 --> 01:27:41,995
the way that I'm approaching dart is I would much rather make

1222
01:27:42,275 --> 01:27:44,745
that $17 million investment because

1223
01:27:46,865 --> 01:27:50,835
that investment makes us more competitive, right? So if you

1224
01:27:50,915 --> 01:27:54,195
look what happened last month, right? There's this company outta fort worth, lone cypress. They,

1225
01:27:55,425 --> 01:27:58,395
they purchased 15 3 0 1 spectrum drive, right? 118,000

1226
01:27:59,435 --> 01:28:03,355
square foot office tower. That is, that is what we

1227
01:28:03,545 --> 01:28:07,515
need, right? So I know everyone in this room knows it, right? We did the

1228
01:28:07,675 --> 01:28:11,635
comprehensive plan, the part of the comprehensive plan. Comprehensive plan is who we wanna be in

1229
01:28:11,755 --> 01:28:15,615
50 years. The market position report that we did

1230
01:28:16,205 --> 01:28:19,955
associated with that just tells us where we are right now. And it's scary,

1231
01:28:20,325 --> 01:28:24,135
right? Office is tired. We already talked about the hotel and

1232
01:28:24,355 --> 01:28:27,915
how tired it is to me. We're not gonna outspend mckinney,

1233
01:28:28,475 --> 01:28:32,395
we're not gonna outspend frisco, right? You said it the other night. Well, you know,

1234
01:28:32,635 --> 01:28:36,595
people are going to mckinney and frisco, they're going there because it's cheaper. They're going

1235
01:28:36,755 --> 01:28:40,315
there because it's a blank slate. There's vacant land with utilities

1236
01:28:40,795 --> 01:28:44,715
already there. Developers can come in and they can build much cheaper. What we need, because we're

1237
01:28:45,035 --> 01:28:48,955
developed in the eighties, we need redevelopment, right? To wayne's point, we need people to

1238
01:28:49,115 --> 01:28:52,955
come in and knock down some of those hotels and put a product there that fits with

1239
01:28:53,155 --> 01:28:56,755
our comprehensive plan. That's the differentiator,

1240
01:28:57,655 --> 01:29:01,605
is that rail is a differentiator. It makes us different. We're, we're not

1241
01:29:01,685 --> 01:29:05,505
gonna compete dollar wise with mckinney and frisco, but if we make it easier for

1242
01:29:05,725 --> 01:29:09,725
people to come into the town, we get more people like l type or spying the

1243
01:29:10,005 --> 01:29:12,855
spectrum. There's this flight to quality, right?

1244
01:29:14,525 --> 01:29:17,755
we're try, businesses are trying to get people back into the office.

1245
01:29:18,815 --> 01:29:22,705
how do they do that? They, they put 'em in places that have workout

1246
01:29:23,205 --> 01:29:26,475
facilities, right? Um, it's walkable to restaurants and bars.

1247
01:29:28,895 --> 01:29:32,805
we have that. We just need people to make that investment. And I think the thing

1248
01:29:32,925 --> 01:29:36,745
to do it is the rail make it easier to get into the town. We,

1249
01:29:36,965 --> 01:29:40,685
we got some great ideas to connect the station to all those office

1250
01:29:41,025 --> 01:29:44,925
towers. And I think that's the thing that does it. I'm, I'm, I'd like to spend maybe

1251
01:29:45,275 --> 01:29:49,205
five more minutes and then take a break. Yeah. I, we can continue the discussion. I just wanna make sure we take

1252
01:29:49,365 --> 01:29:53,325
a break here and stretch it out for a second. I just want to add 30 seconds to chris's comment. And, and maybe it's

1253
01:29:53,525 --> 01:29:57,505
an open-ended question for the, for everyone in the room is if

1254
01:29:57,725 --> 01:30:01,605
we, if we look at the vendor, which vendor is dart and we are the

1255
01:30:02,005 --> 01:30:05,985
customer, and if we, if we were to be flipping the flipping the

1256
01:30:06,205 --> 01:30:09,835
script addison runs, let's call it addison, instead of calling it dart

1257
01:30:10,425 --> 01:30:14,265
and we were the ceos and we were the cfos and we were the board, um,

1258
01:30:14,785 --> 01:30:18,525
we would probably, probably take a hard look in the mirror and say, wait, like to randy's

1259
01:30:19,005 --> 01:30:22,765
point at one point was I should not be allowed to ride this product for a dollar 50.

1260
01:30:23,315 --> 01:30:26,765
it's a brand new, $2 billion train. How we got to 2 billion is up for discussion.

1261
01:30:27,635 --> 01:30:31,625
however, should, should there be a process as any

1262
01:30:31,845 --> 01:30:35,725
of those have traveled in europe, you can upgrade your car. I can go into a

1263
01:30:36,075 --> 01:30:39,805
secured more fancy, I don't care what the amenities are, I can get into a locked

1264
01:30:40,105 --> 01:30:43,725
car for $5 or $20, whatever that looks like. I don't think

1265
01:30:44,155 --> 01:30:47,245
that that product, that that vendor has challenged themself

1266
01:30:48,265 --> 01:30:51,515
to, to draw the audience you're talking about, that

1267
01:30:52,285 --> 01:30:56,125
audience and that surveys have been done, doesn't feel safe getting on that product

1268
01:30:56,665 --> 01:31:00,655
enough of the time. Whether the optics of it, regardless, I'm not here to argue

1269
01:31:01,005 --> 01:31:04,865
that point. I don't think that vendor has challenged themself to

1270
01:31:05,085 --> 01:31:09,035
be competitive with that customer that we want coming into our town

1271
01:31:09,985 --> 01:31:13,645
to not go to, let's say potbelly, but to go to chamberlains for lunch

1272
01:31:14,385 --> 01:31:17,725
or to go to hudson or to go to a full service

1273
01:31:18,445 --> 01:31:22,445
restaurant versus, I call it fast service, whether that be chipotle and on

1274
01:31:22,645 --> 01:31:25,885
and on and on. Chick-fil-a. I, I I would don't, I'll leave it at that.

1275
01:31:27,035 --> 01:31:30,995
I just want that to be part of the discussion. If this is gonna be had, uh, I'm gonna

1276
01:31:31,115 --> 01:31:34,595
just say this back to chris and I don't really want to get in a

1277
01:31:35,415 --> 01:31:38,125
match here with you, but you're a banker

1278
01:31:39,545 --> 01:31:43,405
and if any business came to you and showed you the financials

1279
01:31:44,045 --> 01:31:47,395
that dart has, I do not believe you would approve them

1280
01:31:48,145 --> 01:31:52,005
for a loan. They have taken on a ton of

1281
01:31:52,225 --> 01:31:54,295
revenue and they've borrowed $9.7 billion

1282
01:31:56,755 --> 01:32:00,725
and their model doesn't work. And as a banker, you would not approve that, in my opinion.

1283
01:32:01,765 --> 01:32:05,765
I, when you're done, I'd look to okay. I I just, I was saying there's

1284
01:32:06,265 --> 01:32:10,205
pot of money. I think that we should be looking at my, my que

1285
01:32:10,385 --> 01:32:14,325
so so wayne brought up a good point on 2.6. Do we want to

1286
01:32:14,485 --> 01:32:17,945
change rev, uh, change that to revitalize and

1287
01:32:18,685 --> 01:32:21,955
redevelop hotels and meeting space or no?

1288
01:32:22,795 --> 01:32:26,135
yes. I mean, I think it's a great idea. Um, I'd just love to

1289
01:32:27,125 --> 01:32:31,025
figure that out and I think that's a good direction to go on now. Yeah, that's

1290
01:32:31,305 --> 01:32:35,065
what I agree. Four. I'd like to talk about 2.5 also if we're done with that one. All right.

1291
01:32:35,605 --> 01:32:39,485
so leverage just kind of seems mediocre, um,

1292
01:32:40,565 --> 01:32:44,145
on leverage. Addison airport, I wrote down a phrase here, position addison

1293
01:32:44,625 --> 01:32:48,505
airport as a signature corporate gateway and powerful driver of both economic growth.

1294
01:32:49,205 --> 01:32:52,385
that's too long. But the essence of that, I mean,

1295
01:32:53,325 --> 01:32:57,285
not thinking the airport is so much of a transportation means, but

1296
01:32:57,505 --> 01:33:00,745
more of an economic driver and an e economic attraction,

1297
01:33:01,845 --> 01:33:05,625
um, from a corporate standpoint, that's what I would like, that we think

1298
01:33:05,925 --> 01:33:09,885
of mo mo many things in addison as a, uh,

1299
01:33:10,865 --> 01:33:14,745
a driver of the economy. Like they add some performing arts center that's the driver

1300
01:33:14,945 --> 01:33:18,695
of the economy also in a lot of different ways. I, I think that

1301
01:33:18,985 --> 01:33:22,925
may be something that needs to go on our objective level as well. Just, just f yi

1302
01:33:23,235 --> 01:33:27,145
performing arts center. Yeah, no, I like it. I just, um, I think when we get

1303
01:33:27,265 --> 01:33:30,525
into this more, it won't, we won't, we won't put it in there, but maybe not,

1304
01:33:32,235 --> 01:33:36,055
not under e well, yes, but maybe not under this. I agree.

1305
01:33:36,455 --> 01:33:40,335
kfa, darren, darren is the word optimize instead of leverage? Is maybe that

1306
01:33:40,535 --> 01:33:43,965
a better word to use as a descriptor? I, I don't know. Maybe. Um, well,

1307
01:33:44,595 --> 01:33:48,535
the full verbiage of that is, is leverage the addison airport to maximize business growth and expansion.

1308
01:33:49,115 --> 01:33:53,055
is that the, oh, is, that is. Okay. These are trunk versions in order to fit

1309
01:33:53,175 --> 01:33:56,815
on the slide, please. Thanks nick. Like mayor is doing referred to. I thought it was bigger than that.

1310
01:33:57,525 --> 01:34:01,335
okay. And at this point, I'm gonna go ahead and just hit the pause button and say, let's

1311
01:34:01,575 --> 01:34:05,515
take a break here right now. It's 20 after. I'm gonna call us back at 30 after. So

1312
01:34:05,735 --> 01:34:08,695
take 10 minutes to stretch it out here and we'll continue the conversation. Thank you.

1313
01:34:10,815 --> 01:34:14,635
alrighty. I appreciate the robustness of the discussion on this topic. Thank you so much for

1314
01:34:14,855 --> 01:34:17,755
that. Thanks for the participation in the discussion this morning. Um,

1315
01:34:18,935 --> 01:34:22,815
comments are being captured. So again, just know as we're talking, those comments are being captured

1316
01:34:23,075 --> 01:34:27,075
as you're indicating preferences as you're talking through potential initiatives that's

1317
01:34:27,495 --> 01:34:31,455
getting captured. Okay. Um, also, I just wanna remind you, this is not your last bite of the apple.

1318
01:34:31,715 --> 01:34:35,655
so there is additional time in february where things will come back to you. So just know that

1319
01:34:36,245 --> 01:34:40,215
it's not inked today, right? There's another opportunity for, for you to see things,

1320
01:34:40,515 --> 01:34:44,455
to weigh in on things. So that's just not, I just want to clarify that as well. So as we go

1321
01:34:44,575 --> 01:34:48,535
through these discussions, we wanna get the bulk of the work done today. Just know that there's gonna be a little bit

1322
01:34:48,655 --> 01:34:52,615
of work that happens after this as well. Uh, with that said, let's go move on from economic development

1323
01:34:53,095 --> 01:34:56,535
and revitalization, um, and get into this one, which is financial health and organizational

1324
01:34:57,360 --> 01:35:01,125
excellence. Uh, so again, when it came to this, we have strong agreement, a hundred percent supportive.

1325
01:35:01,605 --> 01:35:05,515
so nothing here that was being flagged as a major issue. Um, keep

1326
01:35:05,805 --> 01:35:09,245
these, uh, so these three were basically straight upkeep, no objections,

1327
01:35:09,875 --> 01:35:13,695
full support, nothing here. And again, truncated words

1328
01:35:14,065 --> 01:35:18,005
up here. The actual phrasing is sitting in front of you. So if you need to flip to that

1329
01:35:18,125 --> 01:35:22,085
for the actual phrasing of it, um, modify. One of the suggestions to

1330
01:35:22,285 --> 01:35:25,435
modify was on five four, it was remove and or expanding

1331
01:35:26,855 --> 01:35:30,385
and or expanding. Um, and then in this case, the next bond,

1332
01:35:30,975 --> 01:35:34,595
uh, the next bond election, there was a suggestion to make it

1333
01:35:35,035 --> 01:35:39,035
specific to police department and municipal court facilities. So there was the desire

1334
01:35:39,395 --> 01:35:43,265
to potentially make it a little more prescriptive. And in this one, um, potentially

1335
01:35:43,955 --> 01:35:47,275
remove and or expanding. I opened these up for discussion

1336
01:35:48,175 --> 01:35:52,115
in this case. Are we okay? Yep. Yep. And on these, generally speaking, 'cause there

1337
01:35:52,235 --> 01:35:55,035
wasn't any objection to those. Seemed like we were supportive of them.

1338
01:35:56,485 --> 01:36:00,295
felt like we were okay. Yeah. Okay. Getting that yep. Preference

1339
01:36:00,655 --> 01:36:04,435
out of that. Feeling good. Yep. But some guidance under initiatives under there. Um,

1340
01:36:05,535 --> 01:36:09,375
I think it's important to, uh, to measure performance. Bless you. To measure

1341
01:36:09,575 --> 01:36:12,915
performance. The town staff does an incredible job

1342
01:36:13,795 --> 01:36:17,335
and I'd like to see it measured. I'd like to see, uh, the, um,

1343
01:36:18,405 --> 01:36:21,045
some of the measurements be by private sector performance,

1344
01:36:23,005 --> 01:36:26,945
um, so that we, uh, we can be kind of,

1345
01:36:27,065 --> 01:36:29,805
um, have the view broader than, uh, government, um,

1346
01:36:31,365 --> 01:36:34,945
public level, but private sector performance also. So you have the same

1347
01:36:35,685 --> 01:36:39,465
or other, other measures in there. Okay. Like I've been talking to david

1348
01:36:39,695 --> 01:36:43,545
also, so I think think that's good to carry forth, but it, it does fit under

1349
01:36:43,745 --> 01:36:47,565
5.2. Okay. Sorry. So some potential initiatives

1350
01:36:48,205 --> 01:36:51,875
in there. Thank you for that. Thank you for that. You know, um,

1351
01:36:53,225 --> 01:36:57,225
'cause I, I think everyone agrees with the language on 5.2. Uh, certainly, but I do wanna

1352
01:36:57,385 --> 01:37:01,225
highlight some of the work that we have done there. And it, this, it could lead to further conversation.

1353
01:37:02,245 --> 01:37:06,215
so obviously we've done our resource maximization the ca past couple of years that

1354
01:37:06,505 --> 01:37:10,425
will continue seeing really good significant improvements on that

1355
01:37:10,605 --> 01:37:14,535
for the bottom line and just the way we operate. And the next step, which I mentioned to council briefly,

1356
01:37:15,495 --> 01:37:18,985
that we will be kicking off is going, uh, division by division,

1357
01:37:19,665 --> 01:37:23,625
function by function, and doing deep analysis of are there more efficient ways,

1358
01:37:24,165 --> 01:37:27,145
better ways, cost, saving ways, can we share resources

1359
01:37:28,345 --> 01:37:32,005
division by division and providing a report on what that looks like. So

1360
01:37:32,825 --> 01:37:36,655
I don't want to, obviously that's been there for a while and it will continue to be there, but I want to sh just

1361
01:37:37,455 --> 01:37:41,385
note when you see those initiatives, that is a huge focus for us as we go forward.

1362
01:37:42,045 --> 01:37:45,705
and so a continuing resource maximization, the next step will be doing those

1363
01:37:46,265 --> 01:37:50,105
division by division manage competition type analysis of

1364
01:37:51,025 --> 01:37:54,055
are we operating in the best possible way that makes the most fiscal sense?

1365
01:37:55,525 --> 01:37:58,025
am I hearing you say re reduce redundancy,

1366
01:38:00,175 --> 01:38:04,155
reduce redundancy, just common sense ways to be more efficient.

1367
01:38:04,415 --> 01:38:08,065
can we share resources? All of that. Absolutely. Yeah. Thanks

1368
01:38:08,485 --> 01:38:12,405
for that clarification. That's important. Yep. Absolutely. That's big undertaking and it's

1369
01:38:12,605 --> 01:38:16,565
a good one. Thank you. Um, help me with 5.4.

1370
01:38:17,335 --> 01:38:21,065
let's maybe hit that one for a second. Yeah, yeah. Thank you nick. Um, so

1371
01:38:21,445 --> 01:38:25,085
I was on council back in two th 2018 when we, we created

1372
01:38:25,805 --> 01:38:29,725
a, uh, strategic objective to conduct a

1373
01:38:29,845 --> 01:38:33,465
facilities consolidation study. And, um, so that was

1374
01:38:33,865 --> 01:38:37,705
our, that was our focus then. And, um, not sure how we

1375
01:38:37,985 --> 01:38:41,685
got to, uh, expanding, expanding the word expanding

1376
01:38:42,245 --> 01:38:45,535
facilities, um, expanding town facilities

1377
01:38:46,685 --> 01:38:49,815
specifically. So right now, 5.5

1378
01:38:50,825 --> 01:38:54,465
0.4 in our strategic objectives reads as follows,

1379
01:38:55,255 --> 01:38:59,015
explore opportunities for consolidating and or expanding

1380
01:38:59,625 --> 01:39:02,585
town facilities. And, um, I'm, I'm proposing

1381
01:39:04,035 --> 01:39:08,035
we change that. We modify it just to explore opportunities for,

1382
01:39:08,635 --> 01:39:12,055
um, town facility consolidation or facility consolidation

1383
01:39:13,115 --> 01:39:16,835
rather than, because I don't think we're looking to, to add

1384
01:39:17,635 --> 01:39:20,735
or expand, expand town facilities right now.

1385
01:39:21,725 --> 01:39:25,525
I think the context of that was before we, when we were kind of,

1386
01:39:25,785 --> 01:39:29,485
uh, loosely con considering, uh, maybe a, a new town hall.

1387
01:39:30,805 --> 01:39:34,165
uh, and one of the options was retooling the, uh,

1388
01:39:35,175 --> 01:39:38,755
the, uh, what are the words, uh,

1389
01:39:39,225 --> 01:39:43,135
where we're at now. . Yeah. Conference center. Thank you. Mm-hmm . Um, so that

1390
01:39:43,335 --> 01:39:47,295
was the legacy on that. That was the history there. But it's, it's not, it didn't go

1391
01:39:47,445 --> 01:39:51,395
expanding. It meant it went into retooling and reusing what we have. And

1392
01:39:51,615 --> 01:39:55,605
I agree with you. We need to take off expanding. Are we expanding the

1393
01:39:55,805 --> 01:39:59,465
police department remaining bigger? Well,

1394
01:40:00,815 --> 01:40:04,045
I think an item of is expanding the police department's different than, let's say expanding

1395
01:40:05,345 --> 01:40:09,095
other buildings. I think the general premise that marlin's getting at is the buildings,

1396
01:40:09,475 --> 01:40:13,335
the mass of the buildings we have already not looking to expand those. Correct.

1397
01:40:13,805 --> 01:40:17,105
correct. Not adding buildings. We're not adding facilities.

1398
01:40:18,315 --> 01:40:19,735
the next one addresses the police department.

1399
01:40:22,505 --> 01:40:26,205
so does anybody, uh, have any other thoughts on 5.4? I don't,

1400
01:40:28,685 --> 01:40:31,325
I'm fine to take it off. Do you want me to modify it?

1401
01:40:32,715 --> 01:40:36,505
no, to modify my so go ahead david. So I mean,

1402
01:40:36,765 --> 01:40:40,585
it is a good time just to talk about this in, in and of itself.

1403
01:40:41,285 --> 01:40:45,265
is there still a desire from counsel that we're looking at further consolidation right

1404
01:40:45,545 --> 01:40:49,335
now? We have having the conversation on the police station. We've done what we've done with, with

1405
01:40:49,695 --> 01:40:53,345
town hall. When you say consolidation, is that a 10 year, hey,

1406
01:40:53,745 --> 01:40:57,565
10 years we wanna look at something? Or is there still a desire to look at some kind of consolidation today?

1407
01:40:58,075 --> 01:41:01,955
yeah, I think it's just year to year. Each council is going to modify this

1408
01:41:02,245 --> 01:41:05,565
any which way they want to. But obviously we have the finance building to consider.

1409
01:41:06,425 --> 01:41:09,425
um, that's an obvious one. Um, and, and, um,

1410
01:41:11,565 --> 01:41:15,505
you know, there there's going to be situations. I don't, I don't know what they are right

1411
01:41:15,785 --> 01:41:19,625
now, but I, I can see, uh, situations where it is possible that

1412
01:41:19,885 --> 01:41:23,565
we could, um, have two f have two facilities

1413
01:41:24,125 --> 01:41:28,125
come together. Right. Like that's what we've been doing a, a great job of that.

1414
01:41:28,465 --> 01:41:32,405
so, okay. Um, that, yeah. Well, so I think david makes a good point

1415
01:41:32,605 --> 01:41:36,405
though. 'cause 'cause we're looking at, we're not looking long term here, but we're

1416
01:41:36,645 --> 01:41:39,365
talking about what could we, you know, possibly implement this year.

1417
01:41:40,845 --> 01:41:44,595
I don't see, I don't see us doing any new consolidation this

1418
01:41:44,885 --> 01:41:48,885
year, or even getting something started unless something, somebody

1419
01:41:48,965 --> 01:41:52,965
has something on their mind that, uh, that they would be thinking about. Maybe we don't

1420
01:41:53,205 --> 01:41:56,795
need to have that for this year. It'll, it can always come back. Right.

1421
01:41:57,285 --> 01:42:01,265
and again, the finance building is an obvious one. Um, but that's not really consolidation. They're

1422
01:42:01,545 --> 01:42:03,585
just gonna, we gotta figure out what to do with that property.

1423
01:42:05,605 --> 01:42:09,105
so you're saying just eliminate by 0.4, maybe take it on? Yeah.

1424
01:42:09,885 --> 01:42:13,165
or maybe something that, something that, uh, has a place to

1425
01:42:14,345 --> 01:42:18,265
consider town facilities, uh, because we have the finance building

1426
01:42:18,445 --> 01:42:22,305
to consider and then we have some other things. Do we have any, what what

1427
01:42:22,545 --> 01:42:25,585
else is left on the, the plan for the town facilities that we did?

1428
01:42:26,745 --> 01:42:30,665
I, I mean, have having a, having a conversation on the finance building and the finance

1429
01:42:31,265 --> 01:42:33,565
property is the next one to discuss. Um,

1430
01:42:35,575 --> 01:42:39,355
so that, that's the next big conversation to have from facilities outside of obviously the police station.

1431
01:42:39,645 --> 01:42:43,405
right. So after those two, is there, is there a, a distant

1432
01:42:43,655 --> 01:42:47,505
third? I think the, there, the other items that you'll see

1433
01:42:47,725 --> 01:42:51,055
in years to come would be, you know, renovations

1434
01:42:52,255 --> 01:42:56,125
changes to the fire stations, but that's not a new time soon. Yeah, I'm as

1435
01:42:56,345 --> 01:43:00,275
well. No, I'm, I'm good with removing it. Is this not

1436
01:43:00,515 --> 01:43:04,305
one of them that we talked about earlier that just kind of rolls over every year and

1437
01:43:04,525 --> 01:43:08,345
it, and it's just kind of a, something to keep on there to

1438
01:43:08,565 --> 01:43:12,485
where it's at the front of our mind. I agree with the mayor that it won't happen in the

1439
01:43:12,605 --> 01:43:16,565
next year, but there's many of these that is just kind of a, a continually

1440
01:43:17,245 --> 01:43:21,245
process of keep this in mind for when we do start thinking about it.

1441
01:43:22,015 --> 01:43:25,885
other than that, I, I agree. If, if this is only one year plan,

1442
01:43:27,055 --> 01:43:30,375
I would agree. Yeah. But well, 'cause because when, when, when we're looking at that dashboard

1443
01:43:31,155 --> 01:43:35,115
and we'll say, well, what kind of progress are we making on this? Well, there's no progress. So

1444
01:43:35,635 --> 01:43:39,585
if, if we know we're not gonna make any progress on it this year, why not? We,

1445
01:43:39,825 --> 01:43:43,625
you know, we could, you know, put it on, on the, uh, back burner and it can come back any other time. We,

1446
01:43:43,845 --> 01:43:47,645
we start seeing a need for, for consolidation.

1447
01:43:48,145 --> 01:43:51,885
but I just don't see, I don't see us even having a conversation about that this year.

1448
01:43:52,225 --> 01:43:56,015
I'm the direction that yeah. But then there

1449
01:43:56,565 --> 01:44:00,125
probably is gonna be a lot of these that were, if, if it's not a one year thing, the next 12

1450
01:44:00,675 --> 01:44:04,605
must take 'em all off. I'd like to hit the pause button on that for a second, because what we're talking about is a one

1451
01:44:04,765 --> 01:44:08,625
to three year, like, I want you thinking of three year horizon for this. So one

1452
01:44:08,845 --> 01:44:12,775
year is the actionability timeline. We're looking at the next year and how we're gonna achieve action three

1453
01:44:13,125 --> 01:44:16,925
years is the mental horizon. I kind of want, you're working on, because there are some of these that are longer term, shorter

1454
01:44:17,365 --> 01:44:21,205
term. So some of these are gonna be in the first year. Some of these are gonna be 3, 4, 5 years.

1455
01:44:21,425 --> 01:44:25,365
but what's the action we could take in the horizon that we've got here? Not that we will take

1456
01:44:25,645 --> 01:44:29,135
that action, but if you are intending to consolidate town facilities

1457
01:44:29,825 --> 01:44:33,725
or that kind of thing in the next three years, and that is something that is

1458
01:44:33,885 --> 01:44:37,805
in the foreseeable future, let's have that discussion. If that's not the case, then it would

1459
01:44:37,965 --> 01:44:41,715
make sense to possibly remove that. Yes. So if I could offer one thing, possibly, if you kind

1460
01:44:42,005 --> 01:44:45,965
of look at what we've done with this, um, strategic objective, we've tried to

1461
01:44:46,085 --> 01:44:50,045
try to use it as a catchall to some degree too. Like we didn't have a, we're doing our security enhancements

1462
01:44:50,565 --> 01:44:54,485
at the buildings and we didn't have a place for that. So we had, we put it under this one so we

1463
01:44:54,645 --> 01:44:58,505
could just, you could make it more broad of, hey, we want to improve and

1464
01:44:58,725 --> 01:45:02,525
modernize our facilities and something like that. Which if you say

1465
01:45:02,745 --> 01:45:06,745
something like, if an opportunity comes up to consolidate, maybe we, it can still fit in there, but maybe

1466
01:45:06,865 --> 01:45:10,785
you just change the verbiage so it can incorporate more of improvements we

1467
01:45:10,985 --> 01:45:14,785
can make up. Yeah. That seems to fit a little bit more with what we're doing. Do we, we could just

1468
01:45:15,105 --> 01:45:18,745
rename that. Yeah, I agree. Because ultimately you don't want a building that's

1469
01:45:20,005 --> 01:45:23,985
not waterproofed or secure tight meaning safety. You don't want our employees coming

1470
01:45:24,145 --> 01:45:28,105
to work feeling they're not safe. So I agree with you. I think I like what

1471
01:45:28,345 --> 01:45:32,165
david just said better, but I was gonna say why not put explore opportunities for

1472
01:45:32,385 --> 01:45:36,305
the finance building and the police department. That's what we're working on. That's gonna

1473
01:45:36,425 --> 01:45:39,375
be the next one to three years. But if you want to include modernizing

1474
01:45:41,445 --> 01:45:44,725
existing building is in that, and maybe what you just said could be under the initiatives

1475
01:45:45,465 --> 01:45:49,405
and not the uh. Okay. Yeah. I, I would agree with that. That seems like a thoughtful way

1476
01:45:49,605 --> 01:45:53,605
to do it because we know what facilities we're targeting. We can get specific at that next layer,

1477
01:45:54,355 --> 01:45:57,925
that short of a window, one to three years. Those two are gonna come into that.

1478
01:45:58,465 --> 01:46:02,135
yep. There's not anything else we're looking at. Right. So, okay, so,

1479
01:46:03,135 --> 01:46:06,875
so can you repeat the, the phrasing that you just gave david? 'cause you gave a

1480
01:46:07,155 --> 01:46:11,035
phrasing there. This is, this is what happens to me all the time. So I'm just putting you on the spot right

1481
01:46:11,275 --> 01:46:15,195
back by you. Right. Can we, we run the tape? We should check with our scribe. Think I said, uh, I think I said

1482
01:46:15,315 --> 01:46:19,035
something like improve and modernize, um, uh, town facilities.

1483
01:46:20,095 --> 01:46:23,995
um, so leave something like that. We can, we

1484
01:46:24,195 --> 01:46:28,025
can wordsmith it a little bit. It sounded a lot better first. I know, I know well,

1485
01:46:28,315 --> 01:46:32,315
I I didn't say it with confide, you know. Yeah. I gotta say it with confidence. Yeah. Try it again. Say it with the confidence

1486
01:46:32,675 --> 01:46:36,565
that we're yeah. Improve and modernize these facilities.

1487
01:46:37,235 --> 01:46:40,495
yeah, yeah. Little four score and seven years ago style. Yeah. Um,

1488
01:46:41,455 --> 01:46:45,435
gen generally speaking, do we have some support for that rephrasing

1489
01:46:45,695 --> 01:46:49,425
of this? Yep. Yep. Yep, yep. Yep. Okay. Again, later on,

1490
01:46:49,745 --> 01:46:53,675
we will give you copies of what the, what these changes look

1491
01:46:53,965 --> 01:46:57,925
like. So you'll have the chance to react to all these changes and be able to see them all. So you

1492
01:46:58,005 --> 01:47:01,765
have another opportunity to look at them all. Okay. Um, hey, nick, could just for

1493
01:47:02,065 --> 01:47:05,985
for a moment, could we jump back to 5.2? Yes, sir. Because the, the, the full objective is,

1494
01:47:06,225 --> 01:47:09,645
is is, uh, implement continuous improvement of business process

1495
01:47:10,245 --> 01:47:14,205
efficiencies, maximizing the addison way in brand. Mm-hmm . Yeah. So again, we

1496
01:47:14,325 --> 01:47:17,965
have the addison way in that, should we just say maximizing the addison brand?

1497
01:47:18,515 --> 01:47:22,425
yeah. I should keep addison way in there because this is very much internal and

1498
01:47:22,665 --> 01:47:25,785
the addison way is kind of an internal culture. Um,

1499
01:47:26,705 --> 01:47:30,505
and it helps keep it in focus. Meaning that we're not gonna cut

1500
01:47:30,745 --> 01:47:34,725
to the, to the, to the bone. We know that we're gonna label a little extra on there

1501
01:47:34,885 --> 01:47:38,685
because doing things, the thought will way, thoughtful way that we do in addison

1502
01:47:39,165 --> 01:47:43,065
requires a little extra. That

1503
01:47:43,355 --> 01:47:47,115
was, that's my thought. This was one of the

1504
01:47:47,435 --> 01:47:51,345
referenced addison way. It's been baked into several different points. So this

1505
01:47:51,635 --> 01:47:55,505
is the discussion yes. To, to me, it's, it's

1506
01:47:55,795 --> 01:47:59,635
just, it seems redundant. I, when I read it, I just kind of include it with all the other

1507
01:48:00,805 --> 01:48:03,545
stuff that's part of our brand. I agree. Okay.

1508
01:48:05,335 --> 01:48:09,065
you agree with removing it? Removing, okay. Yeah. Just

1509
01:48:09,355 --> 01:48:13,325
remove towards way and, and, um, brand.

1510
01:48:13,675 --> 01:48:17,455
yeah. Maximizing the brand. Yeah. Way. Yeah. Way. And

1511
01:48:18,395 --> 01:48:22,205
just take the two words yeah. And take, take out

1512
01:48:22,465 --> 01:48:25,965
way. And, and so generally supportive

1513
01:48:27,415 --> 01:48:31,215
again, did you have a thought?

1514
01:48:31,805 --> 01:48:35,695
okay. I'm good. Good. I'm good with it. Okay. So we're gonna remove addison, that we're

1515
01:48:35,855 --> 01:48:39,665
gonna keep brand in there though. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. Thank you for that great

1516
01:48:40,015 --> 01:48:43,975
point of clarification. Uh, how about this for 5.5 developed plan for next bond

1517
01:48:44,415 --> 01:48:48,275
election, uh, police department and municipal courts facilities was

1518
01:48:48,495 --> 01:48:50,495
kind of the specific

1519
01:48:52,815 --> 01:48:56,685
addition requested to this? Yeah, I, I

1520
01:48:57,125 --> 01:49:01,005
proposed that. I was just trying to figure out what we're talking about. Are we talking about what we're doing now or are we talking about

1521
01:49:01,315 --> 01:49:05,085
some, some future bond elections? So, uh, I just want clarification.

1522
01:49:05,955 --> 01:49:09,765
yeah. Yeah. I mean, I, I think we all need that. Right. Staff definitely needs that,

1523
01:49:11,035 --> 01:49:13,475
that settled into the police station. Sure.

1524
01:49:15,185 --> 01:49:18,925
so can we just be specific and just, um, I mean, I think we're pretty close

1525
01:49:19,245 --> 01:49:23,045
to the finish line, but hopefully develop a

1526
01:49:24,195 --> 01:49:28,145
police department, uh, bond

1527
01:49:28,715 --> 01:49:32,685
election. Well, something to that nature. It doesn't need to

1528
01:49:32,765 --> 01:49:36,605
be that specific wording. Please. Do you mean develop a

1529
01:49:36,835 --> 01:49:40,805
plan to implement what? The bond election, what the

1530
01:49:40,965 --> 01:49:44,925
results of the bond election are imple implement a, uh, police department bond election,

1531
01:49:45,115 --> 01:49:48,835
something. Oh, I think, yeah, I would say, um, either imple

1532
01:49:49,185 --> 01:49:52,875
implement with a, proceed with a, a bond election. Because if

1533
01:49:53,355 --> 01:49:57,095
at first, if you all call an election and if it passes, it would be mid-year, we'd

1534
01:49:57,455 --> 01:50:01,455
probably do next steps of, we're gonna go for design and things like that. So I

1535
01:50:01,575 --> 01:50:05,415
think something that we just move forward with the process so we could add initiatives

1536
01:50:06,245 --> 01:50:10,175
that would be appropriate, get those things happen. Yeah. And I, my focus was is I

1537
01:50:10,295 --> 01:50:14,215
just wanna make sure we're talking about the , right? Yeah. Rather than

1538
01:50:14,415 --> 01:50:17,535
just like anything, something, another bond election

1539
01:50:19,285 --> 01:50:23,095
needs to be specific, right? So, so that's suggestions been put out there, discussion

1540
01:50:23,695 --> 01:50:27,535
related to the suggestion of making it more specific versus leaving it

1541
01:50:27,735 --> 01:50:31,555
as is a fan of more specific.

1542
01:50:31,745 --> 01:50:32,475
okay. Great. Thank you.

1543
01:50:36,735 --> 01:50:40,545
it's fine with me. It does. I'm not, either way, I'm fine either way is okay

1544
01:50:40,745 --> 01:50:43,425
for you. You, I feel like that captures the lock, the both the plan.

1545
01:50:45,275 --> 01:50:49,055
so are you in support of the, the rephrasing or is it more just leave it as is?

1546
01:50:49,555 --> 01:50:52,005
I'm, I'm follow looking at as it is. Okay.

1547
01:50:55,295 --> 01:50:58,815
half a dozen to 1 6, 1 half a dozen dozen me. Yeah.

1548
01:50:59,575 --> 01:51:03,415
okay. I, I personally would like

1549
01:51:04,055 --> 01:51:07,925
that this bond election to be in the fall. I don't know if that's

1550
01:51:08,515 --> 01:51:12,265
needs to come in here or not. And maybe this develops a plan.

1551
01:51:13,045 --> 01:51:16,905
is enc cumbersome of could be may, could be november. I'm in favor

1552
01:51:17,085 --> 01:51:21,065
of the fall on this one. It's not, not specific to it. We'll just

1553
01:51:21,185 --> 01:51:23,455
decide. Okay. Later. Okay.

1554
01:51:26,465 --> 01:51:29,915
at this point I'm not seeing the point to modify it. We're just seeing, basically

1555
01:51:30,525 --> 01:51:34,245
leave it as is seems to be the status quo. We seem to be okay with that, generally speaking.

1556
01:51:35,105 --> 01:51:39,045
can, can we just go real quick because I think we, uh, what I heard is two

1557
01:51:39,605 --> 01:51:43,385
specific, two, two people say, hey, I wanna modify it. Two

1558
01:51:43,755 --> 01:51:47,605
said, leave it as is and the others or seem to be indifferent. Okay. So, so we'd

1559
01:51:47,805 --> 01:51:51,625
like to hear some preference around the room. Well, I'd like to know exactly, um, where we

1560
01:51:51,845 --> 01:51:55,565
stand, because right now it just seems like we haven't figured that out. Fair enough.

1561
01:51:56,745 --> 01:52:00,485
I'd like it to be specific, obviously. Well, I, I don't, I don't see a need to, to make a change.

1562
01:52:00,955 --> 01:52:04,365
okay. Okay. No change. Specific, specific.

1563
01:52:05,345 --> 01:52:09,045
I'm okay with adding police to it specific. Okay. Specific.

1564
01:52:12,315 --> 01:52:14,655
I had zero preference. You gotta give one,

1565
01:52:18,105 --> 01:52:18,955
develop a plan.

1566
01:52:22,165 --> 01:52:25,955
we've already developed a plan for the next bond last, correct. I think that's done.

1567
01:52:27,495 --> 01:52:31,395
oh, thank you. We've already developed the plan for the

1568
01:52:31,515 --> 01:52:35,385
next bond election minus vote

1569
01:52:36,185 --> 01:52:39,615
mode, minus the council vote to take it to an election. Yes.

1570
01:52:40,685 --> 01:52:44,065
so I think that's done. So, but it's not complete though.

1571
01:52:45,035 --> 01:52:48,955
it's not complete. You're right. Because we're, we're still in development on it. So I think keeping

1572
01:52:49,515 --> 01:52:53,325
that verbiage is probably the right thing to do. I, I think you make a, I think you make

1573
01:52:53,565 --> 01:52:57,205
a good point that it is still in development. Yeah, I would,

1574
01:52:57,725 --> 01:53:01,645
I would, this is not a voting arena, but I would, I would leave it as is.

1575
01:53:04,245 --> 01:53:08,195
leave it as is. Yeah. I, I'm fine with the way it is. Okay.

1576
01:53:09,385 --> 01:53:12,355
as is, has it? No strong objects. Okay.

1577
01:53:13,945 --> 01:53:15,965
thanks for that discussion on this.

1578
01:53:18,325 --> 01:53:21,965
at this point, we're feeling generally supportive of this. It feels like we can yep. Yep. And move on.

1579
01:53:23,295 --> 01:53:27,275
okay. Again, this one right

1580
01:53:27,475 --> 01:53:31,235
here, there is no objection. There's no significant objection. We have consent

1581
01:53:31,635 --> 01:53:35,585
on this in general. We have support on this. There's nothing here that's causing

1582
01:53:36,075 --> 01:53:40,035
anybody to flag out. Just figured I'd throw it up there and see if we have general support to move on. Yep. Yep.

1583
01:53:40,655 --> 01:53:44,585
yep, yep. Yep. You look at us rolling

1584
01:53:44,945 --> 01:53:48,775
friends. This is fantastic. Fantastic. This is fantastic. Alright,

1585
01:53:49,285 --> 01:53:53,245
now we get into the fun stuff. Yeah. Alright. So

1586
01:53:54,475 --> 01:53:58,395
I just wanna preface this by saying we've discussed two different variations on community engagement. One, I'll say nobody's

1587
01:53:58,755 --> 01:54:02,595
against community engagement. I have not heard that. I had discussions with you in one-on-one

1588
01:54:03,515 --> 01:54:07,035
specific to this topic because it has come up every year. We've meant something different

1589
01:54:07,695 --> 01:54:11,485
in different viewpoints, but what I've heard is the exact same thing. So I just wanna stage that, which

1590
01:54:11,835 --> 01:54:15,355
is to say, staff's doing a good job in general outreach.

1591
01:54:15,855 --> 01:54:19,375
we would like more participation from the public related to specific topics.

1592
01:54:19,895 --> 01:54:23,795
we would like something a little more aggressive, door to door style. Something that

1593
01:54:23,955 --> 01:54:27,915
is a little more, get into the community and really get after it before it

1594
01:54:28,115 --> 01:54:31,955
comes to a vote with counsel. That was the general nature of the conversation. Not that

1595
01:54:32,275 --> 01:54:36,145
anything's happening wrong, just that we encourage more of the right behaviors in this. So

1596
01:54:36,975 --> 01:54:40,285
there was no desire to get rid of any of these either.

1597
01:54:41,495 --> 01:54:45,475
so it wasn't that we didn't, we value community engagement. That's just it. The question was

1598
01:54:45,675 --> 01:54:48,065
whether it should be rolled into

1599
01:54:50,235 --> 01:54:54,235
vibrant active community or whether it should be separated

1600
01:54:54,945 --> 01:54:58,915
out and imbued in other elements of the strategic plan.

1601
01:54:59,545 --> 01:55:03,515
so do we take community engagement and start to put it in other areas of the strategic plan?

1602
01:55:04,705 --> 01:55:08,565
or do we take elements of this and wrap it into vibrant active community? Those

1603
01:55:08,885 --> 01:55:12,845
were two suggestions that have come up so far. That's the starting point for the discussion. So

1604
01:55:13,005 --> 01:55:16,885
I'd love to hear your thoughts related to this. So again, um, nothing here that's, and again,

1605
01:55:17,085 --> 01:55:19,785
the addison way conversation came up again here. Um,

1606
01:55:22,085 --> 01:55:25,525
that's the discussion. Have that, yeah,

1607
01:55:26,315 --> 01:55:30,245
I'd love to jump in here. Um, I don't know about others, but it was definitely an idea

1608
01:55:30,445 --> 01:55:34,325
of mind. First of all, I think we do an excellent job of community

1609
01:55:34,765 --> 01:55:38,645
engagement. Is it perfect? No, it'll never be perfect. There's a lot of things,

1610
01:55:39,345 --> 01:55:42,845
um, reaching out to people. But, but as far as our efforts,

1611
01:55:43,705 --> 01:55:47,565
um, I feel that they're perfect and we, and, and we've got a ton of,

1612
01:55:47,825 --> 01:55:51,125
uh, community engagement. But, um, I don't, I don't really,

1613
01:55:52,695 --> 01:55:56,035
two things. I don't really see it when I have to prioritize

1614
01:55:57,765 --> 01:56:01,025
as the top seven. And, and I think

1615
01:56:01,825 --> 01:56:05,425
a vibrant, active community has, has good community

1616
01:56:05,945 --> 01:56:09,765
engagement. So I, I don't wanna remove it. I just think we should

1617
01:56:10,185 --> 01:56:14,095
place it as a strategic objective under vibrant active

1618
01:56:14,585 --> 01:56:17,995
community. Thank you. Thanks for that.

1619
01:56:22,245 --> 01:56:26,165
what's a, what is a vibrant active community? It's

1620
01:56:26,495 --> 01:56:29,495
a community supply. Bingo, .

1621
01:56:30,765 --> 01:56:34,385
when I read that, that's just one of those things. Are we talking about a physically

1622
01:56:35,155 --> 01:56:38,755
active and vibrant community? Right. Or are we uh,

1623
01:56:39,355 --> 01:56:42,255
uh, that is just so broad

1624
01:56:43,955 --> 01:56:46,895
that it's hard for me to put yeah.

1625
01:56:47,985 --> 01:56:51,905
so, so when you're looking at this, are you looking at it also by looking at

1626
01:56:52,125 --> 01:56:55,965
the strategic objectives underneath that and the initiatives underneath

1627
01:56:56,325 --> 01:57:00,075
that? Because when you do, I think that help will help you kind

1628
01:57:00,365 --> 01:57:03,865
of better understand and define what we're, what we're driving at.

1629
01:57:04,665 --> 01:57:08,585
but you have to look at as a, as a whole rather than just, um,

1630
01:57:10,415 --> 01:57:14,415
three words. But it's the bullet point. A

1631
01:57:14,535 --> 01:57:18,375
lot of people, when they read the newspaper, they read the headlines. Mm-hmm . Then you gotta get into

1632
01:57:18,575 --> 01:57:22,575
the article. Can't. I'm not sure I can help all those. I'll, I'll, uh, so I, I think I

1633
01:57:22,655 --> 01:57:26,495
can some context though, from, from my recollections from a couple years ago when

1634
01:57:26,735 --> 01:57:30,415
we came, when we kind of, we scrapped the strategic plan, strategic plan and started over,

1635
01:57:31,195 --> 01:57:35,155
we went through all the items that we talked about up front, said, public

1636
01:57:35,355 --> 01:57:39,275
safety is one, economic developments two fiscal. Those were the top three were the top

1637
01:57:39,435 --> 01:57:43,415
three. And then we came up with mobility and these other ones. And then we got

1638
01:57:43,865 --> 01:57:46,905
down to the end and we said, okay, well where are we gonna put arts

1639
01:57:48,015 --> 01:57:51,995
and parks and recreation and these thing and commun those type of functions?

1640
01:57:52,255 --> 01:57:55,955
and it was kind of a, well, we need somewhere to put these things that are important

1641
01:57:56,315 --> 01:58:00,055
to addison together. And I, so it was kind of one of those we worked,

1642
01:58:00,535 --> 01:58:04,495
I think council at, I worked backwards to say we wanted to get these things included and came

1643
01:58:04,655 --> 01:58:08,655
up with the language. If there is better language, let's change

1644
01:58:08,855 --> 01:58:12,795
it. Um, but I think hopefully that helps a little bit. We were, at the time, council was

1645
01:58:13,015 --> 01:58:16,815
trying to figure out how do we fit all these other things that we do in addison, but that aren't

1646
01:58:17,055 --> 01:58:20,955
public safety and economic development. And those, I I accept that. And,

1647
01:58:21,195 --> 01:58:24,775
and I think that's a, an excellent point is, you know, is a vibrant, active community.

1648
01:58:25,715 --> 01:58:29,055
one that goes to the theater, one that goes, you know, walks to get a hamburger,

1649
01:58:29,905 --> 01:58:33,695
right? Or right. Uh, I I think it's just a such a large

1650
01:58:34,955 --> 01:58:38,695
conant, um, with the community engagement. God, it's

1651
01:58:38,975 --> 01:58:42,975
so important. And, and I, that's just the biggest question we've got in the room today.

1652
01:58:43,465 --> 01:58:47,365
how do you do that any better than we do? And you know, we go to all

1653
01:58:47,525 --> 01:58:51,515
these events and we have all these pretty pictures on the

1654
01:58:51,675 --> 01:58:55,395
walls of renderings and put a sticker on it if you like it. Well, everybody's

1655
01:58:55,875 --> 01:58:59,515
gonna love a beautiful picture. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty. Put a green sticker on it.

1656
01:59:00,305 --> 01:59:04,115
well, then they don't get the full picture of, that's

1657
01:59:04,535 --> 01:59:07,855
$10 million. You wanna spend $10 million. Is it pretty enough to spend $10 million

1658
01:59:08,715 --> 01:59:12,685
on, uh, community engagement, I

1659
01:59:12,805 --> 01:59:16,745
think has to be more of a complete education of

1660
01:59:16,965 --> 01:59:20,465
the public and engaging. Uh,

1661
01:59:21,015 --> 01:59:24,765
we've had several that we've been told that there were public engagement, and I think there was

1662
01:59:25,395 --> 01:59:29,385
true effort to have public engagement, but when we actually got out

1663
01:59:29,665 --> 01:59:33,645
and started knocking on doors and talking to people down the street, they'd never

1664
01:59:33,725 --> 01:59:37,325
heard of this stuff before. Not faulting our staff because they did what they

1665
01:59:37,765 --> 01:59:41,145
did in, in their public arenas and all. Uh,

1666
01:59:41,845 --> 01:59:45,705
I, I just think this is the hardest thing that a town can do, is

1667
01:59:46,145 --> 01:59:49,895
how do you get community engagement to a level? It,

1668
01:59:51,015 --> 01:59:54,915
you know, when you have 8% of your population that votes, how do you get the voting up? So

1669
01:59:55,115 --> 01:59:58,645
it's all, how do you get more engagement? And that's right.

1670
02:00:00,055 --> 02:00:03,855
I think that's the million dollar question that every, every, every city asks that. It's not unique because

1671
02:00:04,355 --> 02:00:08,125
we all want everybody to get involved and be part of the community. And the bottom line

1672
02:00:08,435 --> 02:00:12,375
is, and the truth is that the overwhelming majority of folks, they don't want to

1673
02:00:13,125 --> 02:00:17,015
yeah. They don't wanna be involved. They, they have their own lives. They're very busy. They don't

1674
02:00:17,215 --> 02:00:21,115
have time to follow what the city council's doing. You know, as long as the water turns on

1675
02:00:21,395 --> 02:00:25,195
and el least they there and fire's there. Happy as the plant you

1676
02:00:25,415 --> 02:00:28,415
were describing, most city council people, we were really happy

1677
02:00:29,425 --> 02:00:33,045
until we weren't. And we got on council. You can speak for yourself on that. Okay.

1678
02:00:33,495 --> 02:00:37,495
because, because that, that does not describe me. Well, I agree. I agree with the mayor.

1679
02:00:38,115 --> 02:00:41,915
um, I, I, I think every community struggles with this. We all, we all get

1680
02:00:42,435 --> 02:00:46,175
so busy. Um, I mean, I'm on this council and I, and I, I miss

1681
02:00:46,455 --> 02:00:49,835
things. Um, so I can only imagine when some of our residents, um,

1682
02:00:50,555 --> 02:00:54,535
you know, go through sometimes just because again, like life gets so busy. But I

1683
02:00:54,655 --> 02:00:58,615
do wanna say that I think we do a better job than most cities in trying

1684
02:00:58,955 --> 02:01:02,925
to get the word out and educate. So kudos to the staff on that. Yeah.

1685
02:01:03,235 --> 02:01:06,975
and, and even some of the things that we've done where we've, we've put signs in, in the parks,

1686
02:01:07,275 --> 02:01:11,175
you know, to, you know, do this qr code and fill out the survey, you know,

1687
02:01:11,355 --> 02:01:15,135
online, we make it as easy we possibly can and people just walk

1688
02:01:15,415 --> 02:01:19,415
past it, you know? Yeah. You can't force, you know, people to be, to be involved

1689
02:01:19,595 --> 02:01:23,495
in and engaged in their community. And, you know, as much as we, we might want to.

1690
02:01:23,635 --> 02:01:27,455
and, and the idea of going door to door,

1691
02:01:27,815 --> 02:01:31,635
knocking on people's door and saying, you need to be engaged. You here's this thing coming up. And,

1692
02:01:31,875 --> 02:01:35,615
and, and how often do you do that? And quite frankly, I think people would be upset.

1693
02:01:36,075 --> 02:01:39,945
why do they, why is the city come knocking on my door? Yeah. I think, I think you

1694
02:01:40,165 --> 02:01:43,925
get a different kind of engagement then. Absolutely. Yeah. Not so, not so, uh, loving.

1695
02:01:44,315 --> 02:01:48,125
yeah. And, and, and, and which things do you do that for then? We'd

1696
02:01:48,365 --> 02:01:52,005
have a constant flow. You know, people out and walking in the neighborhoods, knocking on doors,

1697
02:01:52,715 --> 02:01:56,685
harassing people. I, I agree with you. To comment on, on aggravating people at

1698
02:01:56,885 --> 02:02:00,805
the door. I I, even when you're campaigning, I hate to do that. It, that's not a popular

1699
02:02:00,965 --> 02:02:04,885
thing to do. No, nobody wants you doing that. But when we start talking about the signs and the

1700
02:02:05,005 --> 02:02:08,655
parks and that type thing, I am more concerned about

1701
02:02:09,115 --> 02:02:12,365
what my residents think. And the largest

1702
02:02:13,245 --> 02:02:16,685
majority of those people walking on our trails, speaking from my neighborhood

1703
02:02:17,705 --> 02:02:20,445
and going through the parks, are people that don't live in addison.

1704
02:02:21,785 --> 02:02:25,765
and I really don't care that they get on that qr code and tell me

1705
02:02:26,355 --> 02:02:30,185
they want a bridge across a creek that runs into the apartment complex. And

1706
02:02:30,405 --> 02:02:34,085
we should spend a lot of money on something to get the dallas people into addison

1707
02:02:34,565 --> 02:02:38,505
on that. And then the people that walk through my park in north addison park, uh,

1708
02:02:39,245 --> 02:02:43,165
probably 99.5% addison residence. Correct. Now I'm, I'm ju that's why

1709
02:02:43,285 --> 02:02:47,185
I've prefaced it. Mm-hmm. In, in my park. It's different all over town. It's, yeah. And

1710
02:02:48,405 --> 02:02:52,365
I have no good answers. Yeah. I don't think anybody does. Or we'd have them silver bullet, but I

1711
02:02:52,445 --> 02:02:56,155
would just like that to be a good point of emphasis

1712
02:02:56,535 --> 02:03:00,375
is all I'm saying there. And I wonder, I wonder how much somebody that's

1713
02:03:00,795 --> 02:03:04,555
walking through addison circle park and they see a qr code to do, to do some

1714
02:03:04,855 --> 02:03:08,755
online survey. I wonder how many, if if I didn't live here, I wouldn't even consider

1715
02:03:08,915 --> 02:03:12,835
that to do it in another city. So I think that's, I think that's probably pretty low number of folks that do

1716
02:03:12,955 --> 02:03:16,905
that. Well, I think we can look at, at our discussion that we've had on dart,

1717
02:03:17,755 --> 02:03:21,755
I think the large majority of the people that was sending us emails and talking

1718
02:03:22,385 --> 02:03:26,275
were people that didn't live in addison that had no vote. Well, that's, that's

1719
02:03:26,475 --> 02:03:30,395
the regional aspect of that. Yeah. I, I'm just saying because they're not just addison folks that

1720
02:03:30,755 --> 02:03:34,555
are affected. We are very unique that we are surrounded and we, we are a community

1721
02:03:35,465 --> 02:03:39,355
that draws people in. Mm-hmm . I, I'm gonna add to that, if I can jump

1722
02:03:39,575 --> 02:03:43,155
in. So we get to go as council members, we get to go and sort of town staff

1723
02:03:43,895 --> 02:03:47,195
to these tml conferences, nick. Yep. So you get 1200 municipalities

1724
02:03:48,445 --> 02:03:52,425
under one rooftop. Um, and I spend my time sort of not just buckled

1725
02:03:52,915 --> 02:03:56,795
to one of these guy goofballs, but sort of communicating at lunch or a break

1726
02:03:57,095 --> 02:04:00,845
or on a way to get a coffee with, I'll look at the names on the polos,

1727
02:04:01,195 --> 02:04:04,835
right? Oh, you're from x, y, or z town. And some are big and some are small and some are on,

1728
02:04:05,735 --> 02:04:09,235
not quite unincorporated, but they're right on that precipice. And they have the exact

1729
02:04:09,945 --> 02:04:13,875
same sentiment, whether they have a million, whatever, whatever the size.

1730
02:04:14,075 --> 02:04:18,075
houston to addison, the exact same argument, which is

1731
02:04:18,775 --> 02:04:22,575
we try our best. And to, to his point, there is no silver bullet. But

1732
02:04:22,795 --> 02:04:25,875
to the point of having two separate, we're community in two different

1733
02:04:26,835 --> 02:04:30,595
strategic kfa. I just think we need to roll it into one back to his point.

1734
02:04:30,905 --> 02:04:34,775
what is vibrant? Is it walking? Is it how pretty the flowers are?

1735
02:04:35,305 --> 02:04:38,805
that can all be put in community engagement, in my opinion. So there's

1736
02:04:39,565 --> 02:04:43,145
a vibrant act of community, vibrant act community points of

1737
02:04:43,605 --> 02:04:47,565
interest. Ie parks can roll into community engagement. 'cause you are gonna ask

1738
02:04:47,765 --> 02:04:51,625
them to engage, uh, the obj project. What do you, what do you, we had this whole thing put,

1739
02:04:51,985 --> 02:04:55,445
put stickers on the thing, which, which is prettiest regardless of cost.

1740
02:04:56,225 --> 02:05:00,125
but that could have been right under community engagement. So it's either take community engagement,

1741
02:05:00,585 --> 02:05:04,325
put it on a vibrant, active, or flip it. In my opinion. I would, I would

1742
02:05:04,725 --> 02:05:08,685
recommend the opposite in terms of the direction. Exactly. I, yep. I would go community. I'll leave it to the experts

1743
02:05:08,885 --> 02:05:12,845
and I'm with you. Community engagement under vibrant, active community. If you were gonna against that would be where I would put it.

1744
02:05:12,995 --> 02:05:16,905
exactly. If that's what you're gonna do, can we rename it possibly by

1745
02:05:17,125 --> 02:05:21,025
vibrant and engaged community that way? You,

1746
02:05:21,145 --> 02:05:24,725
because I think engagement is important. I, and I'm, I'm not stuck to it. Uh,

1747
02:05:25,165 --> 02:05:29,145
the, the community engagement, like I said, was because, uh, a lot of residents

1748
02:05:29,425 --> 02:05:32,825
felt like they weren't being heard. Um, and, and those strategic objectives.

1749
02:05:33,545 --> 02:05:37,545
and I, I'll, um, uh, I'll give, uh, staff kudos for all the different ways they're trying

1750
02:05:37,705 --> 02:05:41,475
to figure out how to communicate with residents, uh, the signs

1751
02:05:41,825 --> 02:05:45,785
in the parks, you know, great idea. Maybe it's not working now. Maybe we put it on the shelf

1752
02:05:45,945 --> 02:05:49,765
and try something else. But community engagement is important. Uh,

1753
02:05:50,005 --> 02:05:53,745
but I'm for combining 'em. And I think vibrant and engaged community may be,

1754
02:05:54,125 --> 02:05:58,065
uh, a good name for that. Kfa. We keep it as vibrant, active, fine with

1755
02:05:58,305 --> 02:06:02,245
that. Combine 'em. I'd love to hear some

1756
02:06:02,405 --> 02:06:06,165
discussion around that suggestion. I don't, I don't love you losing the word active

1757
02:06:06,445 --> 02:06:10,425
though. Okay. I think that's an important part of, I like, of who we are. We are, I think vibrant is

1758
02:06:10,645 --> 02:06:14,545
active, but I'm not opposed to losing or not. It could be

1759
02:06:14,665 --> 02:06:16,305
vi vibrant, active, and engaged community.

1760
02:06:19,455 --> 02:06:23,115
I don't see anything wrong with that. I I was thinking the opposite of what you were thinking. Uh,

1761
02:06:23,485 --> 02:06:26,485
take clean engagement and rolling it up under vibrant,

1762
02:06:27,755 --> 02:06:31,685
active. And if we want to throw engagement, I would be okay with that too. Yeah.

1763
02:06:31,975 --> 02:06:35,855
that's what I'm getting. You just consolidate these points down is the key point we're getting at.

1764
02:06:36,635 --> 02:06:37,895
how do you name it? It's up to you guys.

1765
02:06:43,365 --> 02:06:46,855
okay. I like adding them together. Vibrant

1766
02:06:47,555 --> 02:06:51,415
and engaged. Uh, active community is fine or vibrant. Active and

1767
02:06:51,615 --> 02:06:55,505
engaged. The problem is staff's doing their job. Doing

1768
02:06:55,855 --> 02:06:59,765
our job. Hey howard. Oh, I, sorry, go ahead. I, I think the

1769
02:06:59,925 --> 02:07:03,925
problem is that staff's doing their job and we're doing our job and the community is not

1770
02:07:04,125 --> 02:07:07,845
doing their job. Correct. Although we are getting it out there. I

1771
02:07:08,315 --> 02:07:12,135
they're not, they're not, uh, getting the in, they're

1772
02:07:12,735 --> 02:07:16,365
not absorbing the information. They are busy. They have families, they have jobs. They,

1773
02:07:16,885 --> 02:07:20,445
they're busy. And if it doesn't, if whatever the issue is doesn't

1774
02:07:20,935 --> 02:07:24,775
concern them or they don't think it concerns them, they're not gonna show up. That's right.

1775
02:07:25,195 --> 02:07:29,175
so, um, this is a tough one, but I

1776
02:07:29,295 --> 02:07:32,745
think we need to keep, keep on keeping on. And I, I think maybe

1777
02:07:33,815 --> 02:07:37,725
snail mail is probably better than email. I think the friday reports

1778
02:07:38,225 --> 02:07:42,165
are important. They're long. And I don't know if people are reading stuff that's

1779
02:07:42,485 --> 02:07:46,445
coming through email or, or text. You know, I, I'm surprised these days that when

1780
02:07:46,645 --> 02:07:50,125
I talk to so many people that say, you know, I, I, I don't, I never check my mailbox.

1781
02:07:51,035 --> 02:07:54,925
they don't even, they don't check their regular snail mailbox. You know, old, old guys like

1782
02:07:55,165 --> 02:07:58,985
us. You know, we, we check our mailbox 'cause that's what we've always done that. But hey,

1783
02:07:59,725 --> 02:08:03,565
, randy, what, what? But a lot of people, because,

1784
02:08:04,485 --> 02:08:08,105
'cause most people are not getting important things in their, in their snail mail that they, that that's

1785
02:08:09,285 --> 02:08:13,205
encourages them to, to check that. So that, I mean, that's been, that's a very

1786
02:08:13,325 --> 02:08:17,285
expensive thing to do too. Mm-hmm . Yeah. I haven't checked mine in two weeks.

1787
02:08:17,795 --> 02:08:21,245
yeah. , randy, where are you with rolling community engagement

1788
02:08:21,815 --> 02:08:25,725
under vibrant active community and or some wordsmith of that?

1789
02:08:26,555 --> 02:08:30,175
I'm, I, I'm certainly in favor of consolidating. Okay. Consolidate, consolidating

1790
02:08:30,735 --> 02:08:32,595
that. And I, I think our,

1791
02:08:35,825 --> 02:08:39,765
as big a in community engagement that is becoming more popular,

1792
02:08:40,565 --> 02:08:44,325
I think is the friday newsletter that we're putting out. Mm-hmm . I am getting

1793
02:08:44,745 --> 02:08:48,515
far more positive comments mm-hmm . From that friday newsletter than

1794
02:08:48,925 --> 02:08:52,685
I ever have before. People are actually starting to realize there's valuable

1795
02:08:53,105 --> 02:08:56,635
lot of value there. So I really like that. And maybe even,

1796
02:08:57,445 --> 02:09:01,405
I don't know how you expand that and make it more, but I, I really think,

1797
02:09:02,045 --> 02:09:05,925
I think that's been a valuable tool mm-hmm . And, and I do agree that the

1798
02:09:06,165 --> 02:09:09,885
c mail is too expensive, number one. And most

1799
02:09:10,255 --> 02:09:13,815
of the time mine goes from the mailbox to the recycling den. So that same,

1800
02:09:14,295 --> 02:09:17,735
I I open it over my recycling veterinary garage. Yeah. Oh, you don't? Thanks for recycling,

1801
02:09:18,715 --> 02:09:22,495
uh, . No, no. Um, so do you have what,

1802
02:09:22,965 --> 02:09:26,655
what you need vibrant, active, and engaged community seems to be the kind of place we're

1803
02:09:26,975 --> 02:09:30,535
landing. It seems to be that there's a general tone and tenor that we'd like to do this. It also

1804
02:09:31,485 --> 02:09:35,295
very consistent with the conversation. We'd love the community to be more engaged, however they're apathetic

1805
02:09:35,695 --> 02:09:39,455
up and until the point where something impacts or affects them, which case they have incredibly strong feelings.

1806
02:09:40,475 --> 02:09:44,285
right. And very little information typically. Right. Am I, yep. This is by

1807
02:09:44,505 --> 02:09:48,345
the way, incredibly typical for most communities I deal with. Uh, there's one

1808
02:09:48,545 --> 02:09:52,245
community that has an overly engaged populace, and that is los alamos,

1809
02:09:52,665 --> 02:09:56,615
new mexico. And that's because they're a bunch of retired nuclear physicists with nothing to do. . Okay.

1810
02:09:57,205 --> 02:10:00,855
and that is a problem on a different scale. Okay. Um, careful

1811
02:10:01,345 --> 02:10:05,345
what ja for it is, it is they have what they call their, the nifty 50 and the nifty 50 show up

1812
02:10:05,665 --> 02:10:09,345
to every discussion. And they actually have a, uh, a, a premium that consultants

1813
02:10:09,825 --> 02:10:13,545
charge to work in los alamos to deal with those folks because they're

1814
02:10:13,945 --> 02:10:17,865
so overly engaged on everything under the sun. So I'll say it's

1815
02:10:18,065 --> 02:10:22,065
an interesting conversation to have, but this is a conversation that 99% of the communities I

1816
02:10:22,145 --> 02:10:26,085
have is how can we get the residents more engaged? And it is a trick. Um,

1817
02:10:26,405 --> 02:10:30,345
you know, there are things, you're doing the right behaviors. Honestly, the newsletter, if that's hitting for you and you're

1818
02:10:30,545 --> 02:10:34,245
getting traction, do it. You know, get after that. Um, if, if

1819
02:10:34,625 --> 02:10:38,385
snail mail's the right way, well, it's kind of being phased out a little bit. Social media's its own

1820
02:10:38,895 --> 02:10:42,705
dynamically hot bed playground, it's not gonna get a, there's just

1821
02:10:42,965 --> 02:10:46,745
so much you can do. And then there's gorilla chalking neighborhoods and gorilla

1822
02:10:47,105 --> 02:10:50,965
marketing for things that are targeted campaigns. I mean, there's only a handful of

1823
02:10:51,185 --> 02:10:54,985
things you could do. You can't make the public care until something impacts them

1824
02:10:55,245 --> 02:10:59,025
is my experience. So I'll just say that. But if vibrant, active and engaged

1825
02:10:59,345 --> 02:11:03,345
community allows us to better encapsulate what we're after, which it sounds

1826
02:11:03,545 --> 02:11:07,435
like maybe it does, is that something that we could work on or, or live

1827
02:11:07,635 --> 02:11:11,355
with in, in terms of this? 'cause I, I see them being connected as well.

1828
02:11:12,095 --> 02:11:15,895
um, it's just where we want to kind of elevate and, and create, create

1829
02:11:16,315 --> 02:11:19,635
that focus. Are we creating an un undue burden

1830
02:11:20,335 --> 02:11:24,275
on staff by, by combining those? Or are we combining different departments

1831
02:11:24,775 --> 02:11:28,355
or do different departments work on the different areas? Or is that still one basic department

1832
02:11:29,235 --> 02:11:33,195
that might even make it easier for them? That's it. It's easier to have

1833
02:11:33,385 --> 02:11:37,315
less ks. Okay. Perfect. I just don't wanna put an undue burden on staff if that,

1834
02:11:37,535 --> 02:11:40,475
if that's the case. Thanks for asking that. Yes. And we're not, we're not done

1835
02:11:41,875 --> 02:11:45,645
with the process either. Yeah, yeah. Right. Yeah. And this will give howard

1836
02:11:45,995 --> 02:11:49,545
more points with less ffas, howard gets a win.

1837
02:11:50,185 --> 02:11:54,005
so, so vibrant, active and engaged community. Vibrant, active and engaged community.

1838
02:11:54,675 --> 02:11:58,605
that was the recommendation. If that's, we okay with that? I feel good with that. I'm good. Yeah. Yeah.

1839
02:11:59,165 --> 02:12:03,005
I like it. Yep, yep, yep. Okay. So outside of the language, um, maybe

1840
02:12:03,285 --> 02:12:07,235
just provide a little context and example of how we

1841
02:12:07,995 --> 02:12:11,775
can and should prioritize community engagement. And by putting priority on

1842
02:12:12,695 --> 02:12:16,575
priority on it, it could lead to some of our projects. When you look at the coloring being

1843
02:12:16,955 --> 02:12:20,815
red, because we want to go back and do additional community engagement.

1844
02:12:21,515 --> 02:12:25,135
so take that and circle park vision study, we add a committee.

1845
02:12:26,035 --> 02:12:30,015
we had 4, 5, 6 public meetings. Did a

1846
02:12:30,135 --> 02:12:34,055
lot of, we was in the newsletter, did a lot of engagement on that. And we got to a point where we're ready

1847
02:12:34,175 --> 02:12:38,175
to kind of take the next steps spoke. We've stepped back and we've heard

1848
02:12:38,255 --> 02:12:42,255
folks that still are saying they didn't have that, they didn't feel like there was enough. Their opinion

1849
02:12:42,635 --> 02:12:46,295
wasn't heard and it wasn't coming from the ground up. So we're resetting that project

1850
02:12:47,235 --> 02:12:50,975
and we're gonna go back out and do more engagement, more pops up popups in the park

1851
02:12:52,035 --> 02:12:55,995
to try to ensure that we have that. So by prioritizing that, you

1852
02:12:56,215 --> 02:12:59,815
may see some on some of these notes, hey, we're gonna delay this a little bit because

1853
02:13:00,315 --> 02:13:04,235
we want to do additional feedback. And that's just us trying to listen to you

1854
02:13:04,455 --> 02:13:08,375
all trying to listen to the public to ensure that especially on projects

1855
02:13:08,735 --> 02:13:12,075
like that, that they are, they have that community basis support as they go forward. So

1856
02:13:12,815 --> 02:13:16,375
I, I just wanted to pro provide that as, as an example of one of how we're trying to ensure

1857
02:13:17,435 --> 02:13:20,705
we're not only doing everything we can, but we're listening to was it successful?

1858
02:13:22,265 --> 02:13:26,245
and two, while you may see some of those notes on the projects as they

1859
02:13:26,405 --> 02:13:30,365
go forward. That's great. So an obs observation I see on that one in

1860
02:13:30,485 --> 02:13:34,385
particular, it's a really good case study for a lot of them. Like the buy lanes or

1861
02:13:34,605 --> 02:13:37,985
like the quorum or many things is you've got,

1862
02:13:38,725 --> 02:13:42,675
uh, you've got a momentum or philosophy of council that's

1863
02:13:43,095 --> 02:13:46,995
going this direction and like addison circle, and

1864
02:13:47,285 --> 02:13:51,285
then you're doing all the work, and then it starts getting time

1865
02:13:51,575 --> 02:13:55,135
to start putting these things into action. And people say, wait a minute, now you're gonna

1866
02:13:55,695 --> 02:13:59,695
activate a quiet park that I like, that I moved here for. So they,

1867
02:13:59,925 --> 02:14:03,695
they now they're starting to take, uh, take up arms about it.

1868
02:14:03,955 --> 02:14:07,885
and now they get very vocal. They, and, and they say, okay, we gotta stop

1869
02:14:08,175 --> 02:14:12,135
this. When in actuality there was, there was complete engagement and there

1870
02:14:12,295 --> 02:14:16,275
was, there was very much a direction from the, uh, the

1871
02:14:16,475 --> 02:14:19,235
council. But now that's tide has changed.

1872
02:14:21,155 --> 02:14:25,015
so that happens on many projects. And I, I want to just

1873
02:14:25,175 --> 02:14:28,935
point that out. I don't know what we do with it. But then that's

1874
02:14:29,255 --> 02:14:33,015
a reality. You did engage, you did do everything. But now when you

1875
02:14:33,295 --> 02:14:37,195
actually start doing something, it stirs people up. They get active changes the,

1876
02:14:37,635 --> 02:14:39,895
the temperature of, of the, of the council.

1877
02:14:42,055 --> 02:14:45,095
so that's how I throw that out there. I've got another one, but I'll wait.

1878
02:14:46,465 --> 02:14:49,905
thank, thank you for that. Very typical,

1879
02:14:50,485 --> 02:14:54,275
not uncommon. What do we do with it? Yep. And, and

1880
02:14:54,495 --> 02:14:58,335
it's a reasonable question. At the point when we've done the engagement and we've gone through the process of engagement,

1881
02:14:58,775 --> 02:15:02,295
and in this case even reone through the process of engagement to ensure we've received that,

1882
02:15:02,865 --> 02:15:06,255
there will still, in my experience, be many people who are dissatisfied

1883
02:15:06,935 --> 02:15:10,335
because the outcome isn't the outcome that they wanted, at which point they'll contact you all

1884
02:15:11,165 --> 02:15:15,065
and tend to try and work around that process. And that's, we just have to

1885
02:15:15,705 --> 02:15:19,625
recognize the rules of engagement when those moments happen. Did we do what we said we were going to do in

1886
02:15:19,825 --> 02:15:23,585
the right ways to get the right type of engagement to the best of our abilities? What it does is,

1887
02:15:23,885 --> 02:15:27,725
it is you recently here stopped progress in addison and

1888
02:15:27,945 --> 02:15:31,765
it paralyzes yep. The staff. So I,

1889
02:15:32,065 --> 02:15:35,715
I'm frustrated with it. Not that I agree with any of those particular points

1890
02:15:36,395 --> 02:15:40,235
or, or case studies that I'm talking about. I'm just saying that I, it's, it is frustrating. Yep.

1891
02:15:40,745 --> 02:15:44,695
david, so for clarification, you're talking about the obj project that I referenced earlier is gonna

1892
02:15:44,975 --> 02:15:48,895
be scrapped and start over? No, we're not. That's, I wouldn't say scrapped or start

1893
02:15:49,175 --> 02:15:53,095
over. Start over. Our, we were, and in the budget we had, our next bill was to go in and start having

1894
02:15:53,335 --> 02:15:57,215
conversations with council about funding possibilities and taking

1895
02:15:57,535 --> 02:16:01,295
those. And in, in that we would be saying, hey, here's what it's going to look like

1896
02:16:01,585 --> 02:16:05,555
based on the studies that we had and council direction. But we,

1897
02:16:05,775 --> 02:16:09,205
as staff said, we're still hearing from the community

1898
02:16:09,835 --> 02:16:13,405
that there's some folks that have questions that wanna get their thoughts heard, even from council.

1899
02:16:14,225 --> 02:16:18,075
and so I think it's worth it for us to pause for six months, nine

1900
02:16:18,365 --> 02:16:22,365
months, do do some more of those popups, get some more feedback, come back to

1901
02:16:22,605 --> 02:16:25,805
you all with that. Um, because in that project in particular,

1902
02:16:27,275 --> 02:16:30,925
that's one that has a huge impact on us going forward. It's a long range project,

1903
02:16:31,495 --> 02:16:35,305
let's get it right and ensure we're hearing from everybody going forward. Now,

1904
02:16:35,565 --> 02:16:39,325
I don't want that to dilute the, what we've heard to this point,

1905
02:16:39,625 --> 02:16:43,325
the work of the committee and things like that. But I do think it's worth it to get as much engagement

1906
02:16:43,725 --> 02:16:47,725
as possible to bring forward through you all. And maybe there's some changes that are made to it.

1907
02:16:48,145 --> 02:16:51,965
um, but I wouldn't say it's scrapping the project. Okay. Thank you. Yep. For people that

1908
02:16:52,205 --> 02:16:56,135
may watch this later, can you just tell 'em what obj stands for? So

1909
02:16:56,355 --> 02:17:00,215
they, so they know what project you're referring to? You're gonna quiz me on? No,

1910
02:17:00,615 --> 02:17:04,155
I'm just, it's actually ojb. It's the offices of james

1911
02:17:04,745 --> 02:17:08,335
fett is the co name yeah. The add

1912
02:17:08,925 --> 02:17:12,815
farm. Yes. Yeah. And, and, and what it's gonna be affecting. So it's the, yeah. So it's

1913
02:17:13,015 --> 02:17:16,855
the addison circle park vision study. It's saying what addison circle park

1914
02:17:17,115 --> 02:17:20,935
as it exists now, what could it look like in 10 years? Um, and then

1915
02:17:21,165 --> 02:17:24,295
what are the steps to get okay. I, I could just see people saying, what are they talking about?

1916
02:17:25,335 --> 02:17:28,015
question. Thank you for that point of clarification. Yep.

1917
02:17:29,525 --> 02:17:33,415
alright. We have general ascension to move this to vibrant, active, and engaged community.

1918
02:17:34,955 --> 02:17:38,825
okay. And thank you for the robust discussion around this. I think the shared understanding of

1919
02:17:39,045 --> 02:17:42,565
what we're after as a group is really important. 'cause it helps staff out when we go through these processes

1920
02:17:43,695 --> 02:17:47,545
going forward and understand the challenges with that. So david asked the question of how can

1921
02:17:47,765 --> 02:17:51,685
we better engage our citizens? Yes. Did you ask that question, david? You wanted a

1922
02:17:51,805 --> 02:17:55,745
conversation here? I heard it. Maybe actually I didn't ask

1923
02:17:55,905 --> 02:17:59,905
the question, but it's okay. Yeah, I didn't hear the question because we've been talking about I like that there's a

1924
02:18:00,225 --> 02:18:04,205
question that you wanna ask though. Like, let's put it out there just on the strategic, um, the

1925
02:18:04,425 --> 02:18:08,385
initiative level. Um, I think equipping one of the

1926
02:18:08,465 --> 02:18:11,965
best, uh, community, uh, community, um, uh, engagement

1927
02:18:12,775 --> 02:18:16,395
is council people. We're not only on council to set direction,

1928
02:18:17,445 --> 02:18:20,475
we're kind of, um, information sources for all the folks that we know.

1929
02:18:21,535 --> 02:18:25,305
and, um, if we get better equipped with information

1930
02:18:26,295 --> 02:18:30,185
that we can readily have available to share with our residents and our

1931
02:18:30,385 --> 02:18:34,265
spheres of influence, then that allows us to, to be more of a, uh, information

1932
02:18:34,865 --> 02:18:38,025
source, right? Accurate information source. It's better equipping counsel with information,

1933
02:18:39,335 --> 02:18:42,995
easy information. Um, and we get a lot of information,

1934
02:18:43,395 --> 02:18:46,995
but maybe it's just the way it's packaged. Maybe it's the way it, it's, uh, the top 10 and

1935
02:18:47,505 --> 02:18:51,355
faqs, or what are we hearing? Um, those sorts of things. I, I thought that for

1936
02:18:51,555 --> 02:18:55,555
a long time, the better I'm equipped, the better I can be a better council. We're we're ambassadors in a lot of way

1937
02:18:55,775 --> 02:18:59,245
to the town, to the town people. A big interface point.

1938
02:19:00,635 --> 02:19:04,255
so initiative level. Mm-hmm . Thank you for that. Thank you for that.

1939
02:19:07,055 --> 02:19:11,025
yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. All right. Y'all are doing great. Really appreciate

1940
02:19:11,505 --> 02:19:15,025
it. Stick with me here. We, the next one up is vibrant, active, and now engaged community.

1941
02:19:16,165 --> 02:19:19,565
yeah. Good stuff. Um, so what I'll say is in, in terms of the council

1942
02:19:20,215 --> 02:19:24,175
support, 50% supportive, 50% neutral on this one. So a little

1943
02:19:24,845 --> 02:19:28,715
more in the, eh, I'm okay about it. Um, I think some of it was related

1944
02:19:28,955 --> 02:19:32,875
to the wording and of course this issue of community engagement inside of it, there was a little bit of that discussion,

1945
02:19:33,695 --> 02:19:37,685
um, keep or modify. There was one disagree vote on each of these three

1946
02:19:38,035 --> 02:19:42,035
things. So again, it's, is it keep, is it modified? That doesn't mean there wasn't support, just one disagree.

1947
02:19:42,455 --> 02:19:46,355
so let's just make sure that voice is heard. Uh, activate parks and town assets, gateways

1948
02:19:46,915 --> 02:19:50,775
and streetscapes and special moments and events. Were kind of these right here. Let

1949
02:19:50,995 --> 02:19:54,875
me just, uh, finish this thought real quick. Um, these were the signals overall that you gave

1950
02:19:55,035 --> 02:19:58,395
related to this. These are both in one-on-one discussions as well as open-ended commentary

1951
02:19:59,455 --> 02:20:03,195
in this. And so I kind of consolidate these into sentiments so that I could give you some idea of what your signals

1952
02:20:03,555 --> 02:20:07,315
look like. So generally positive sentiment. We like the concept of a vibrant active

1953
02:20:07,715 --> 02:20:11,465
in community. We don't have any problem with it. Um, high general support, but low overall urgency.

1954
02:20:12,215 --> 02:20:16,185
so this just didn't fall in the list of like, hey, in terms of things we gotta be really after this

1955
02:20:16,475 --> 02:20:20,275
wasn't just top of the list for that. So let's recognize that as well. Um, again, that community

1956
02:20:20,875 --> 02:20:24,715
engagement part and then the narrowing the scope to branding and experience was

1957
02:20:24,915 --> 02:20:28,735
the other kind of comment. We're back into the brand discussion a little bit here, um,

1958
02:20:28,955 --> 02:20:32,845
with this one. So that's the discussion. I just wanna open it up in

1959
02:20:33,005 --> 02:20:36,845
terms of keep modify. I think we maybe understand the intent behind this a little bit better now,

1960
02:20:37,065 --> 02:20:41,025
but let's talk it through here. So the please. Yeah. The, the only question I had

1961
02:20:41,145 --> 02:20:44,575
on this was 7.2 and I'm just gonna read it. So we can also enhance

1962
02:20:45,255 --> 02:20:49,065
addison's gateways and visual appeal of streetscapes to optimize,

1963
02:20:49,685 --> 02:20:53,585
uh, addison brand. And I love it, but I just, to me, I

1964
02:20:53,705 --> 02:20:57,005
just thought, shouldn't that be under infrastructure, um,

1965
02:20:57,845 --> 02:21:01,555
and development. Okay. So I love the,

1966
02:21:02,015 --> 02:21:05,955
the objective. I'm just thought it might be misplaced. Where does

1967
02:21:06,075 --> 02:21:08,195
it belong? Yeah. Infrastructure and developed. Correct. Okay. Alright.

1968
02:21:12,635 --> 02:21:16,575
so let's, let's start with that one, since that's kind of being brought up first in this discussion.

1969
02:21:17,915 --> 02:21:21,745
what are your thoughts related to it? It, it, it could be moved to infrastructure and

1970
02:21:21,965 --> 02:21:25,955
that could make some sense to us, or we might think that this is okay

1971
02:21:26,245 --> 02:21:29,605
where it's at. Yeah. So for me actually, this is the, the aesthetics

1972
02:21:30,585 --> 02:21:34,525
of the, of the town as you're driving through, what does it look like as, as you as, as,

1973
02:21:34,725 --> 02:21:38,165
as visitors and residents are going through it. Where I think of infrastructure

1974
02:21:39,345 --> 02:21:43,205
as those, those necessary things that

1975
02:21:43,365 --> 02:21:46,775
we, that we have to have the water, sewer, all those different things, the roads.

1976
02:21:47,665 --> 02:21:51,405
um, I, I, I, I see, I, I see this as different than,

1977
02:21:51,675 --> 02:21:55,655
than infrastructure. Okay. I, I don't think I would love to, uh, combine them. Appreciate

1978
02:21:56,325 --> 02:22:00,295
that. Thank you. Other

1979
02:22:02,205 --> 02:22:03,515
thoughts, feelings, confessions?

1980
02:22:06,485 --> 02:22:10,385
nobody ever takes me up on confessions, but I think the,

1981
02:22:10,605 --> 02:22:14,405
the intent of this vibrant, active community in this, uh, objective was, uh,

1982
02:22:14,735 --> 02:22:18,675
what it feels like addison addison's image. And that was

1983
02:22:18,835 --> 02:22:22,305
the original intent. It was what, two or three years ago? And, um,

1984
02:22:23,345 --> 02:22:27,125
now that we've kind of changed the tone of the vibrant, active and engaged community,

1985
02:22:28,565 --> 02:22:32,505
uh, the vibrant community part was to make this something where

1986
02:22:32,815 --> 02:22:36,645
addison is alive. And when people, visitors want to come here and

1987
02:22:36,865 --> 02:22:40,785
experience the things that we do, we have, uh, performing arts, uh, the art that

1988
02:22:40,905 --> 02:22:44,895
we have around here, uh, nice parks, uh, appropriately

1989
02:22:45,965 --> 02:22:49,905
in public places, uh, to, to come to addison and to

1990
02:22:50,025 --> 02:22:53,885
spend money here and to want to live here or move their office here. So that was the the

1991
02:22:54,165 --> 02:22:58,105
an intent. It was an attraction. That's correct. So I I'm fine with

1992
02:22:58,225 --> 02:23:02,145
leaving it there. Uh, it, to me it could move to economic development and revitalization.

1993
02:23:04,335 --> 02:23:08,095
some of the objectives that are under there enhanced addison gateways because it's,

1994
02:23:08,385 --> 02:23:12,255
it's your he image your brand. Yeah. I, and I don't

1995
02:23:12,455 --> 02:23:16,335
see this as going into ed either, just because, because I think this is the

1996
02:23:16,495 --> 02:23:20,075
vibrancy of the town because we've talked about this for years. That when you are

1997
02:23:20,535 --> 02:23:24,405
surrounded by multiple cities and we really have, have expressed

1998
02:23:25,015 --> 02:23:28,815
the, the desire to have, uh, the experience when somebody enters addison,

1999
02:23:29,685 --> 02:23:33,455
they notice something different that they, that they, that there's a change. And that's,

2000
02:23:33,695 --> 02:23:36,835
that's where I see this fitting in. And that's the vibrancy of the town. Um,

2001
02:23:38,195 --> 02:23:41,655
and it is just, it's a feeling that you get when, when you, when you come in,

2002
02:23:42,525 --> 02:23:46,465
uh, that, that, you know, there's something different. Yeah. That I agree with that it's just, you know,

2003
02:23:46,565 --> 02:23:50,105
if it's, if it doesn't, if it moves, then ed would be a better place for me to revitalization.

2004
02:23:51,745 --> 02:23:55,385
'cause it's, you know, not just revitalizing hotels and office spaces and retail facades

2005
02:23:55,825 --> 02:23:59,585
and so on. It's, it's the whole place. It's the street scapes and stuff like that. I mean,

2006
02:24:00,425 --> 02:24:04,025
but again, it's a crossover. I agree with

2007
02:24:04,725 --> 02:24:08,665
the two comments that I heard that, you know, it, it's, it's visual and it creates

2008
02:24:08,895 --> 02:24:12,825
this feel, um, experience. And that's why I think it

2009
02:24:13,555 --> 02:24:17,275
deserves to be under the vibrant active engagement community.

2010
02:24:18,105 --> 02:24:22,105
okay. So we'll just do kind of a straight up preference indicator

2011
02:24:22,545 --> 02:24:25,435
here. Would you like to see it moved?

2012
02:24:27,985 --> 02:24:31,965
if you'd like to see it moved, gimme the hands up in which

2013
02:24:32,165 --> 02:24:35,985
case we're gonna leave it where it's at and that's okay. We understand the con. Thank you. It

2014
02:24:36,205 --> 02:24:40,125
is one of those things that ties us together and it helps to, so it does have a lot of

2015
02:24:40,245 --> 02:24:43,485
relationships to a lot of the other items. And thanks for bringing that, that conversation. Thank you.

2016
02:24:44,605 --> 02:24:48,565
uh, other topics about this right here. So we're gonna keep it where it's at. Yes sir. So I'm

2017
02:24:48,785 --> 02:24:52,195
hearing from residents on 7.1 that

2018
02:24:53,065 --> 02:24:55,925
the ones around the circle do not want all that

2019
02:24:57,245 --> 02:25:01,065
activity put into that park. They want to keep the park like

2020
02:25:01,355 --> 02:25:04,995
it is and they don't want activating it with all those

2021
02:25:06,075 --> 02:25:09,875
enhancements that we've talked about, um, coming into the park, a beer garden

2022
02:25:10,335 --> 02:25:13,495
and whatever they, they like it the way it is. And, um,

2023
02:25:15,105 --> 02:25:18,865
that's just my comment on that park. I, I don't know about other assets.

2024
02:25:19,395 --> 02:25:23,055
they also were very active and, um, loud about

2025
02:25:23,405 --> 02:25:27,325
their trees and cutting those trees down. And I'm hearing that

2026
02:25:27,655 --> 02:25:31,645
constantly that they do not want our staff coming in and

2027
02:25:31,765 --> 02:25:35,755
cutting their trees down without them being engaged in the process. They

2028
02:25:36,045 --> 02:25:38,835
feel like those parks are their backyard and they wanna know

2029
02:25:40,185 --> 02:25:43,425
what's, what's gonna happen to those parks. And so

2030
02:25:44,835 --> 02:25:48,725
when we have people come to the staff, uh, to the council in a work session

2031
02:25:49,465 --> 02:25:53,445
and tell us about all these great plans for the park, those meetings need to be

2032
02:25:53,565 --> 02:25:57,445
happening with the neighbors that are adjacent to the park and get

2033
02:25:57,605 --> 02:26:01,355
their feedback and then bring it to the cows. Okay. That's

2034
02:26:01,775 --> 02:26:05,465
just my howard, if I can ask a point of clarification on that. So when you're talking about,

2035
02:26:06,965 --> 02:26:10,525
I'll, I'll use, I've used that reference before, is addison circle park,

2036
02:26:11,355 --> 02:26:15,305
our want to be central park in new york where it's active people riding bikes,

2037
02:26:15,655 --> 02:26:19,615
they're walking dogs. The community members you've

2038
02:26:19,975 --> 02:26:23,935
spoken to also, correct me if I'm wrong, want more engagement for their

2039
02:26:24,455 --> 02:26:28,415
businesses in the circle. Meaning more human beings get into that circle for one

2040
02:26:28,575 --> 02:26:32,495
reason or another, and then go shop, eat, dine, play, whatever that looks like. Get their

2041
02:26:32,615 --> 02:26:36,225
hair done, nails done. So am I hearing you correctly that

2042
02:26:36,655 --> 02:26:40,445
they, they wanna leave it alone, which means low populace or you

2043
02:26:40,665 --> 02:26:44,305
saying they want both ends? They want specific people to come in,

2044
02:26:44,875 --> 02:26:48,745
spend money and leave without growing that population at the park. So you think

2045
02:26:48,905 --> 02:26:52,905
they're conflicting goals? I do. Mm-hmm . You can't have one without the other. You want more

2046
02:26:53,105 --> 02:26:57,105
people. You want that to become central park. We need to re reimagine that park.

2047
02:26:57,615 --> 02:27:01,185
it's stale. It's sort of like some of our restaurants or hotels.

2048
02:27:01,985 --> 02:27:05,945
so then maybe that message needs to be delivered by

2049
02:27:06,255 --> 02:27:10,145
staff to those people who live there. Because the,

2050
02:27:10,385 --> 02:27:14,365
the pro what I'm hearing from them, I've now got a lot of friends in the circle. I didn't use

2051
02:27:14,485 --> 02:27:18,275
to have that, so I didn't know anything. Now I hear it. They

2052
02:27:19,095 --> 02:27:22,735
would like all those empty, uh, spaces

2053
02:27:23,455 --> 02:27:27,335
to be leased. They, they want more business in those in

2054
02:27:27,555 --> 02:27:30,385
their neighborhood and the park. They,

2055
02:27:32,595 --> 02:27:36,595
I, I don't know what I'm getting from them. They like being able to take the dogs in the

2056
02:27:36,755 --> 02:27:40,615
park and play frisbee and walk the park and enjoy the park. And

2057
02:27:40,835 --> 02:27:44,755
they don't want a lot of stuff built on the park that changes

2058
02:27:46,205 --> 02:27:49,685
the park. I I I it is too different, um,

2059
02:27:51,025 --> 02:27:54,745
conflicting issues. So, so we need more engagement with those

2060
02:27:55,065 --> 02:27:59,005
people and, and, and get a consensus from them. And

2061
02:27:59,225 --> 02:28:02,825
maybe I'm hearing from just the small group that I'm hearing from, I certainly

2062
02:28:03,265 --> 02:28:07,065
don't know thousands of people in the park. And you have property owners, you have

2063
02:28:07,345 --> 02:28:11,065
business owners, and you have, uh, tenants in the apartments and it's, it's three

2064
02:28:11,505 --> 02:28:15,495
different groups. Well, and you know, as we were going through that whole project with

2065
02:28:15,785 --> 02:28:19,305
that, uh, with the consultant on, on the park, there was a lot of community

2066
02:28:19,905 --> 02:28:23,845
engagement, a lot of opportunities. And it still goes back to, you know,

2067
02:28:25,025 --> 02:28:28,475
you can't force people to get engaged. And there's the problem from

2068
02:28:29,075 --> 02:28:33,025
what we were just talking about, how long has it been since we've had a briefing on this project to

2069
02:28:33,245 --> 02:28:37,045
council? 'cause I, I'll be honest with you, I'm, I'm behind the power curve on this. I don't know

2070
02:28:37,325 --> 02:28:41,185
a lot about it. I don't think I've been on, we have a, it was prior to you coming on. We

2071
02:28:41,405 --> 02:28:45,285
don't talk about it since you been, I would love to, to get more in involved and, and learn

2072
02:28:45,525 --> 02:28:49,345
more, whether it be coming to the office and just sitting down with somebody and, and

2073
02:28:49,585 --> 02:28:53,325
get it explained or to have a work session item put on it to kind of,

2074
02:28:53,665 --> 02:28:57,335
if we're going to kind of, not restart, but shift

2075
02:28:57,715 --> 02:29:01,675
back and reimagine, possibly have some kind of work

2076
02:29:01,965 --> 02:29:05,925
session on it again. Uh, and and was all of the,

2077
02:29:06,195 --> 02:29:10,105
were these plans brought before our new project

2078
02:29:10,655 --> 02:29:14,425
development project? Is, is the new development there

2079
02:29:14,715 --> 02:29:18,605
going to take some of these things that you're wanting to do in the park and

2080
02:29:18,825 --> 02:29:22,785
put 'em in the new project where we can keep our park and still have the entertainment

2081
02:29:23,455 --> 02:29:27,325
area that you're talking about? It there was all, all together? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, it

2082
02:29:27,565 --> 02:29:31,505
was, how, how do we integrate them? Really? I don't know that I'd want a beer garden in the park if we're gonna have

2083
02:29:31,625 --> 02:29:35,495
a beer garden in this new development is what I'm saying. Right. And make them work

2084
02:29:35,785 --> 02:29:39,785
more hand in hand. I have been briefed on the tod mm-hmm . But I haven't

2085
02:29:40,105 --> 02:29:44,025
been briefed on this part deal, so I, I'd like to get caught brought up to speed on it's what I'm

2086
02:29:44,185 --> 02:29:48,125
saying. I'll just ask ashley to send us, send us a link since you're new and chris. No,

2087
02:29:48,345 --> 02:29:51,985
I'd love that. I'd love that. So help me, howard, are you suggesting we modify,

2088
02:29:53,045 --> 02:29:56,925
um, 7.1 or somehow can

2089
02:29:57,145 --> 02:30:01,005
I, can I give some input before we well, I just would love to, he,

2090
02:30:01,245 --> 02:30:04,975
he started the thought and I'm just trying to make sure I understood what

2091
02:30:05,295 --> 02:30:09,115
he's communicated. I don't know. I wasn't, I wasn't looking at

2092
02:30:09,335 --> 02:30:12,485
whether we should keep it change. I'm just making the comment that

2093
02:30:13,685 --> 02:30:17,645
that issue has, I've been hearing from people okay. That they

2094
02:30:17,935 --> 02:30:21,755
are comment, sorry. Yeah. Alright. Yeah, so like for me, 7.1 is

2095
02:30:21,975 --> 02:30:25,535
just to what level do we activate the park? I, I, I think,

2096
02:30:26,175 --> 02:30:30,035
I think that's, that ton circle area is very dense and that park becomes the

2097
02:30:30,535 --> 02:30:34,355
backyard to a lot of people that live there. So it is very important to listen to them. And,

2098
02:30:34,835 --> 02:30:38,775
and that's the feedback that I'm getting is I do want some enhancements, like we're gonna plant a bunch

2099
02:30:38,895 --> 02:30:42,655
of trees over there, which I think will be great. Um, but it could be that we're

2100
02:30:42,975 --> 02:30:46,735
over activating it a bit. So I think that's kind of, for me, where we need to

2101
02:30:47,275 --> 02:30:51,095
pay attention to. I, I do think the, the trail that comes through that's gonna be

2102
02:30:51,355 --> 02:30:55,275
run parallel to the, uh, dart rail, I think we will get people in

2103
02:30:55,495 --> 02:30:59,385
and hopefully that'll be just enough to get those, um, on, you

2104
02:30:59,605 --> 02:31:03,605
know, the underutilized spaces to get activated. Yeah. There's certainly

2105
02:31:03,765 --> 02:31:07,545
more discussion to be had on, on what the, uh, the final project may,

2106
02:31:07,785 --> 02:31:11,565
may look like. And, and it, again, it's a long term project too. That's not

2107
02:31:11,805 --> 02:31:14,255
a, not a this year or next year. It's a multi-year

2108
02:31:15,865 --> 02:31:19,645
project. And yeah. I just wanna add, you know, we've got a lot of parks and some

2109
02:31:19,925 --> 02:31:23,715
of them are meant to be very active and some of them aren't. Some

2110
02:31:24,005 --> 02:31:27,925
of them are for children to play. So it's just like, depending on which

2111
02:31:28,125 --> 02:31:31,445
park you're talking about, it has different, they all have their own purpose.

2112
02:31:33,025 --> 02:31:36,835
so from a tactical, this is very broad, right? This is, we're we're strategic planning, right? Yeah.

2113
02:31:37,125 --> 02:31:41,105
so from a tactical perspective, it sounds like we'd like more information on the part and that

2114
02:31:41,265 --> 02:31:45,065
seems like a, we'd like more information about what's happening. Well, I hear an update.

2115
02:31:45,305 --> 02:31:49,195
I hear an update. Or you want some updates on addison circle. I want visionary study,

2116
02:31:49,545 --> 02:31:53,505
right? Is that what you're, is that what you're kind of, is that howard, I mean you're just kind

2117
02:31:53,625 --> 02:31:57,545
of, you guys wanting some updates on some isn't that what, uh, I

2118
02:31:57,665 --> 02:32:01,665
forgot the initials again. J that's what we're

2119
02:32:01,905 --> 02:32:04,705
talking about. So ab we need to,

2120
02:32:06,345 --> 02:32:10,305
I don't know. You said we have a lot of engagement. I only learned about it when I got my counsel. I

2121
02:32:10,425 --> 02:32:14,345
didn't know. So I get like everybody else. So just to be clear, when I was talking

2122
02:32:14,665 --> 02:32:18,585
earlier about paus a project and reengaging that this is the project I was talking about.

2123
02:32:19,795 --> 02:32:23,735
so we're already okay. Yeah. So's in the process that I, I love

2124
02:32:23,855 --> 02:32:27,615
our parks and we've had several discussions on parks, I think through their, they're one of addison's

2125
02:32:28,175 --> 02:32:31,805
crown jewels on our parks area. And I want 'em all activated

2126
02:32:32,475 --> 02:32:35,125
and I want people to enjoy 'em. However,

2127
02:32:37,255 --> 02:32:40,725
I don't, I, I don't think if activating

2128
02:32:41,535 --> 02:32:45,435
our parks means turning them into a commercialized district.

2129
02:32:45,835 --> 02:32:49,675
I am opposed to that. I, I don't think putting commercial businesses

2130
02:32:50,175 --> 02:32:54,115
inside of our green space parks is where we should

2131
02:32:54,315 --> 02:32:58,235
be going. We should be keeping our parks to a level that everyone expects

2132
02:32:58,835 --> 02:33:02,715
'em to be, to where they can get out to. I agree. Completely agree with what chris has said. This

2133
02:33:02,995 --> 02:33:06,915
is some people's backyards. So, uh, I, I

2134
02:33:07,035 --> 02:33:11,015
love our parks. I would like to see our parks activated as a park, not

2135
02:33:11,235 --> 02:33:15,155
as a commercial, uh, space, is what I'm saying. Yeah. You don't, you don't wanna overdo it, randy, but it, but

2136
02:33:15,355 --> 02:33:19,245
I also think that a lot of the folks that live in the, in the circle, they really enjoy the fact that javin

2137
02:33:19,595 --> 02:33:23,595
hops is there. Oh, absolutely. And that's, and that's a commercial, but you gotta, you gotta

2138
02:33:23,715 --> 02:33:27,715
do the right things. But it's not in that green space. It's kind of on the periphery, but it is on park

2139
02:33:28,155 --> 02:33:31,915
property. I understand. Yeah. I get it. And I really like to, like someone else said,

2140
02:33:32,295 --> 02:33:36,115
I'd love to try to get some of those empty spaces that are connected

2141
02:33:36,635 --> 02:33:40,155
to that part. Mm-hmm . Filled up. Yeah. You know? Yeah. I would rather

2142
02:33:41,155 --> 02:33:45,075
concentrate our commercial activity, trying to fill those spaces rather than build

2143
02:33:45,275 --> 02:33:49,235
our own. You just have to be thoughtful about how you do it. Yeah. I certainly look forward to

2144
02:33:49,395 --> 02:33:53,395
the discussion. I really wanna find out more about it. Are we good? David, can you inform the conversation a little bit?

2145
02:33:53,615 --> 02:33:57,455
it looks like maybe you have a little bit of con con context around this, or

2146
02:33:58,175 --> 02:34:01,755
no? I, I think we'll come back and discuss it. I, I just, I guess for folks

2147
02:34:02,195 --> 02:34:06,075
watching, I also don't wanna mischaracterize what the project is today 'cause it's not, I mean, it

2148
02:34:06,295 --> 02:34:10,155
is, it adds a lot. It has a, it has a significant open space in the middle.

2149
02:34:10,665 --> 02:34:14,475
it's not commercial activity throughout. It adds a lot of trees. It has some more activation spaces

2150
02:34:14,815 --> 02:34:18,585
so that folks can use that. We need to go have discussion and if we need to remove

2151
02:34:19,005 --> 02:34:22,665
things, change things. Let's, that's why we wanna engage more. But I also don't want folks to

2152
02:34:23,445 --> 02:34:27,345
listen to this and think it's just gonna be like, shops everywhere. That's not what it, right. Yeah. Thank

2153
02:34:27,625 --> 02:34:31,545
you for that. And that's me not being fully up to speed on it. That's what I was trying to

2154
02:34:31,665 --> 02:34:35,665
avoid. So thank you for that context too. And this is great. This is the discussion we want to

2155
02:34:35,705 --> 02:34:39,505
have. And let's have more discussion about this. 'cause it sounds like it's a really valuable opportunity for us.

2156
02:34:40,045 --> 02:34:43,545
it doesn't sound like we've got an objection to this particular, when coming back to strategic objectives

2157
02:34:45,135 --> 02:34:49,005
when we talk about this really activate parks and town at, we don't have an objection to that. I'm

2158
02:34:49,225 --> 02:34:52,885
not hearing one. At least we like it. There's also, what's the right level, what's

2159
02:34:53,305 --> 02:34:57,305
the right location acceptable. That's, that's the how we get it. The

2160
02:34:57,425 --> 02:35:01,385
what? So I'm not hearing objections to that. Yep. I'm not hearing

2161
02:35:01,585 --> 02:35:05,385
objections to 7.2. We already decide we're gonna keep that where it's at. We like that as well.

2162
02:35:05,875 --> 02:35:09,555
7.3. We haven't had a conversation about yet. Special moments and events. 7.2.

2163
02:35:10,965 --> 02:35:14,945
yes, sir. Just one real quick thing, 7.2 to, to marlin deal on moving

2164
02:35:15,145 --> 02:35:18,945
this. And I know we've already said we don't wanna move it, but that almost somewhat sounds

2165
02:35:19,265 --> 02:35:23,015
to me like to be something that should maybe be under parks.

2166
02:35:23,425 --> 02:35:27,325
if we're talking about the green spaces between the streets and, and that type stuff.

2167
02:35:28,065 --> 02:35:31,915
uh, it seems like that should fall. And, and you're talking about when

2168
02:35:32,205 --> 02:35:35,765
you move, come into town, you wanna know you're in addison. It it has to do with the greenery

2169
02:35:36,345 --> 02:35:39,905
and, and the spaces in the middle. And anyway, that's just a comment. So,

2170
02:35:41,395 --> 02:35:45,235
okay. Um, special

2171
02:35:45,725 --> 02:35:46,325
moments and events.

2172
02:35:49,755 --> 02:35:53,735
any comment? I mean, again, we had one person object to this, that, which is why I

2173
02:35:53,815 --> 02:35:57,615
bring this up for discussion. Is this something that needs to have modification or have we discussed

2174
02:35:58,395 --> 02:36:02,375
the reason for the modification to the point where we feel okay about what's happening here? Well, that's a special

2175
02:36:02,575 --> 02:36:06,575
moment. Well, I, I think so. I, yeah, I had to read, I had to read the whole

2176
02:36:06,655 --> 02:36:10,575
thank you. So, so the whole, the whole objective, it says vision and create

2177
02:36:10,935 --> 02:36:14,725
special moments that make people want to be in addison arts

2178
02:36:15,075 --> 02:36:19,035
events, uh, addison athletic club markets. So yeah, it's, so

2179
02:36:19,255 --> 02:36:23,235
instead of, it's not events. We got events, but special moments. I'm

2180
02:36:23,455 --> 02:36:27,235
not sure how we came up with that. Right. That verbiage for that. Yeah, that was, but, but

2181
02:36:27,495 --> 02:36:31,435
I get the point of it. That was a specific inclusion by one of

2182
02:36:31,555 --> 02:36:35,155
the, uh, I, I think council members who's no longer here, that was a specific inclusion

2183
02:36:35,635 --> 02:36:39,595
that was requested as a result of a previous discussion. So I could, I could

2184
02:36:39,675 --> 02:36:43,555
see that happening. Yep. Yeah. That's how that came be to your

2185
02:36:43,715 --> 02:36:47,225
point that you had to read it. Yeah, I would too. Yeah. People at home don't have this advantage

2186
02:36:47,855 --> 02:36:51,755
of having their act, but, but it is all on the website. It is all there if they want

2187
02:36:51,915 --> 02:36:55,625
did. And because they're likely not gonna see this powerpoint. Correct.

2188
02:36:56,515 --> 02:36:59,615
I just love special mo. I mean, I have a lot of special abuse of town. So

2189
02:37:02,305 --> 02:37:06,195
different kind of special moments. Maybe we're after here. No, really? Yeah. I, I have

2190
02:37:06,315 --> 02:37:10,195
no feeling. Okay. Yeah. Yep. I'm okay with it. Nick. Okay. With it as

2191
02:37:10,355 --> 02:37:13,995
well. Can we change moment to occasion? I, I don't

2192
02:37:14,375 --> 02:37:17,845
see it as a moment. I see someone coming in and having an experience

2193
02:37:18,505 --> 02:37:22,445
or something. I, I think occasion or experience, I don't know who came up

2194
02:37:22,605 --> 02:37:26,385
with that before, but I would, that, that don't, that word doesn't fit either.

2195
02:37:26,875 --> 02:37:30,815
with occasion. I don't wanna have occasion, occasion, occasions, special

2196
02:37:31,625 --> 02:37:35,495
occasion seems better than moments. Yeah. Yes. We're feeling okay. Yeah.

2197
02:37:35,785 --> 02:37:39,745
especially moments. Sounds a little hallmarky. It does. It does. And, uh, I, this one made me

2198
02:37:39,865 --> 02:37:43,815
smile when I read it, you know, like, it was great, you know. Um, all right, good. But let's change that to, okay.

2199
02:37:44,105 --> 02:37:47,985
good idea. All. Thanks. We're good. I, I don't find good on that. I don't care either way. I do care.

2200
02:37:49,525 --> 02:37:53,385
all right. Yeah, I'm not seeing any more objections to this or any

2201
02:37:53,545 --> 02:37:57,105
further discussion that needs to occur with this one in particular. With that said,

2202
02:37:57,605 --> 02:38:01,465
I'm gonna hit the pause button here. We've been at it for an hour and 15 hour and a half. So let's

2203
02:38:01,665 --> 02:38:04,945
go ahead and stretch it out here again for a second. Uh, what are we looking at? 11 36 46.

2204
02:38:06,195 --> 02:38:10,145
we'll be back. Okay. It is, uh, are we on? It is

2205
02:38:10,265 --> 02:38:13,865
1217, and we will come back in, uh, into our session

2206
02:38:14,535 --> 02:38:18,385
from our lunch break and turn it back over to nick. All right. Thanks everybody. Thanks

2207
02:38:18,625 --> 02:38:22,625
for a great morning. Let's keep rolling. Uh, we're making some great progress here, and like I said, we

2208
02:38:22,785 --> 02:38:26,725
saved the best for last, so that's right.

2209
02:38:27,695 --> 02:38:31,435
where's the greatest degree of, let's say, uh, opportunity

2210
02:38:32,185 --> 02:38:36,115
for conversation? And it would be right here. So given what we,

2211
02:38:36,295 --> 02:38:40,195
uh, given what we looked at in the survey, uh, this ranks at about 10% in terms of q

2212
02:38:40,375 --> 02:38:44,325
uh, that, that question one, uh, 10%. And then council agreement, 50%

2213
02:38:44,955 --> 02:38:48,715
support of 33%. Strong objection. Lowest overall weighted

2214
02:38:49,115 --> 02:38:53,005
average in the overall equation. Um, we had one

2215
02:38:53,335 --> 02:38:56,765
that really had no significant objections to it, and that was

2216
02:38:57,905 --> 02:39:01,825
improved pedestrian safety. So that's one that I think we have a lot of

2217
02:39:01,945 --> 02:39:05,865
alignment. Now, some of the question may be about where and how. We actually had some discussion around

2218
02:39:06,025 --> 02:39:10,005
that. What types of areas should we be doing pedestrian and safety efforts in,

2219
02:39:10,395 --> 02:39:14,345
those kinds of things. But there was an objection to this. So this is an area where it feels like we have

2220
02:39:14,505 --> 02:39:17,505
a lot of alignment and agreement. I wanna keep this in the context of the larger conversation,

2221
02:39:18,605 --> 02:39:22,375
uh, which is to say, requests to remove

2222
02:39:22,775 --> 02:39:26,655
requests to modify or reframe. And this is the general counsel feedback, so I'll

2223
02:39:26,855 --> 02:39:30,745
let you take that in for a second here. Um, again, I'm just

2224
02:39:31,435 --> 02:39:31,985
being the mirror.

2225
02:39:48,585 --> 02:39:52,565
so in terms of the general feedback, it was, some folks felt market should solve

2226
02:39:52,885 --> 02:39:56,785
connectivity. There was discussions around things like waymo and lyft and

2227
02:39:57,195 --> 02:40:00,885
uber as being mechanisms inside of this. There was discussion about

2228
02:40:02,205 --> 02:40:06,085
scooters and roller blades. Heck, I, I mean, I'm just kidding about

2229
02:40:06,285 --> 02:40:10,205
the roller blades. Nobody brought that up. But at the same time, it felt like everything under the sun was a topic

2230
02:40:10,445 --> 02:40:14,225
with at least one of you. Um, so the lots of sort of

2231
02:40:14,695 --> 02:40:18,505
differing viewpoints on this. I talked about dart being that proxy issue before.

2232
02:40:19,205 --> 02:40:22,945
so that conversation was very fluid and flexible, depending on which council member

2233
02:40:23,305 --> 02:40:27,155
I was speaking with. So a lot of thoughts about that. Um, the bike lanes

2234
02:40:27,505 --> 02:40:30,825
really was the sticking point for a lot of this. There was, I'll say

2235
02:40:31,695 --> 02:40:35,455
general and, and again, please, the, the eloquency

2236
02:40:35,975 --> 02:40:39,795
with words is a hard one to walk with this one. Okay? But we're not opposed to

2237
02:40:40,015 --> 02:40:43,695
bike lanes. We might be opposed to bike lanes on certain thoroughfares, though, on these streets.

2238
02:40:44,075 --> 02:40:47,925
we don't love bike lanes. We like 'em as trails. We like

2239
02:40:48,375 --> 02:40:52,255
'em segregated from the roadway. We like 'em on non-major arterial streets. We don't

2240
02:40:52,455 --> 02:40:56,365
like to lose car functionality in lieu

2241
02:40:56,605 --> 02:40:59,925
of bike lanes was some of the conversation. And in others,

2242
02:41:00,665 --> 02:41:03,965
the conversation was that is critical to signaling that we are a community,

2243
02:41:04,745 --> 02:41:08,605
uh, who is ready for this. Sustainability is important to us. It is what younger

2244
02:41:09,205 --> 02:41:13,115
families and younger residents want. It's part of attracting people to the community. It's

2245
02:41:13,405 --> 02:41:17,245
an economic driver. So it came under both of these headers and, and it came with very

2246
02:41:17,445 --> 02:41:21,445
different voices in this space. So that was the bike lanes discussion. There were specific

2247
02:41:21,605 --> 02:41:25,285
issues with at least one or two projects were bike lanes were brought into the

2248
02:41:25,645 --> 02:41:29,205
equation. And uh, and I think this came back to that community engagement discussion.

2249
02:41:30,525 --> 02:41:34,525
residents in the area, seemingly were not engaged in the way, um, when they found out about

2250
02:41:34,725 --> 02:41:38,485
it, obviously it changed the perspective of several council members related to bike

2251
02:41:38,775 --> 02:41:42,725
lanes on one roadway in particular, or two roadways in particular. So that came

2252
02:41:42,925 --> 02:41:46,635
back and we found out that wasn't wanted. It was just something we were going forward with.

2253
02:41:47,225 --> 02:41:50,825
um, and the other thing was the opposition to car

2254
02:41:51,365 --> 02:41:55,235
reduction framing. And so some of the framing and the plans themselves, I believe it was the transportation plan,

2255
02:41:56,755 --> 02:42:00,555
the perception is there that there's an anti-car framing going on. Um,

2256
02:42:00,775 --> 02:42:04,495
whereas the perception is also that everything in dallas relates to roads.

2257
02:42:05,355 --> 02:42:09,055
um, you all are a concrete jungle. We love our cars here. That's

2258
02:42:09,455 --> 02:42:13,415
what we do. We do cars in dallas and the dallas metro area. So quit trying to make

2259
02:42:13,535 --> 02:42:17,435
me get outta my car and walk somewhere. I'm generalizing. But that's the

2260
02:42:17,555 --> 02:42:21,475
kinds of conversations I was having. So, yes, go ahead. I can, it might be, uh, on this,

2261
02:42:21,825 --> 02:42:25,735
just given the conversation so far for this point, it might be good to go strategic object,

2262
02:42:26,155 --> 02:42:29,855
like actually pull each objective up. Um, perfect. Uh,

2263
02:42:30,895 --> 02:42:34,855
for example, there's no, none of these objectives say by claims, right? That's correct. So

2264
02:42:35,595 --> 02:42:38,905
I think what we, what would be really good, and I'm sure you're gonna get to this is what we wanna hear, is what

2265
02:42:39,635 --> 02:42:43,115
language are you opposed to exactly. That would lead leads to that.

2266
02:42:43,655 --> 02:42:47,475
um, so I just wanna provide a little bit of that. I think, I think it's wise to go to it one

2267
02:42:47,675 --> 02:42:51,635
by one. A hundred percent. And I agree with you. Um, so this is the exact wording and the exact

2268
02:42:52,155 --> 02:42:55,995
language in there. As you mentioned, there's nothing specific to bicycle infrastructure, bicycle

2269
02:42:56,365 --> 02:43:00,055
plans inside of this. Um, however, we're back to the how

2270
02:43:01,205 --> 02:43:05,055
and the how we go about this, I think is the discussion that needs to be had. Also, the varying

2271
02:43:05,545 --> 02:43:09,215
perspectives. Everybody here had a great perspective. It was wonderful

2272
02:43:09,825 --> 02:43:13,805
to hear that. It's also just very different. We all had a different viewpoint on this and, and

2273
02:43:14,005 --> 02:43:17,885
the connectivity. And does this drive economic development? Does it not? Is it a waste of money?

2274
02:43:18,025 --> 02:43:22,005
is it a good spending of funds? Right? So that's the discussion. But these are the

2275
02:43:22,365 --> 02:43:26,105
specific ones here. I, I would offer up that improved pedestrian safety

2276
02:43:26,785 --> 02:43:30,515
had support. Again, nobody was opposed to improving pedestrian

2277
02:43:31,115 --> 02:43:34,565
safety. It was maybe a little bit of the what and the where,

2278
02:43:35,305 --> 02:43:39,255
but nobody was opposed to it. So I wonder if that one's an easy one

2279
02:43:39,475 --> 02:43:43,395
to kind of step back from out of the conversation. Say, you know what? We don't actually have objection

2280
02:43:43,875 --> 02:43:47,675
to that. I'd like to add something to that one or maybe somewhere else. Please not add,

2281
02:43:47,975 --> 02:43:51,415
but at least have, uh, input from council is, um,

2282
02:43:52,175 --> 02:43:54,545
so walkability in texas is like,

2283
02:43:57,065 --> 02:44:00,905
so walkability in texas is like trying not to fry when you're walking. Yes.

2284
02:44:01,445 --> 02:44:05,195
'cause it's very hot. Um, so it's, it's walkability and comfort.

2285
02:44:05,705 --> 02:44:09,435
it's safety and comfort is, is one of the things I'd like to put somewhere

2286
02:44:09,875 --> 02:44:13,445
in here. Maybe it's in initiative level, uh, but we're talking about trees

2287
02:44:14,365 --> 02:44:18,275
shade. So it's not just safety, it's, it's a, it's a not, and, and, you know, it would

2288
02:44:18,395 --> 02:44:22,395
cover things like crossing the, uh, belt line and tollway intersection.

2289
02:44:23,895 --> 02:44:27,815
not just safely, but comfortably also. Okay. Um, so that's

2290
02:44:28,235 --> 02:44:32,155
kind of something that came up with, with my thoughts on walkability. I'm thinking somebody

2291
02:44:32,275 --> 02:44:35,505
walking from the colonnade over to, um, astoria,

2292
02:44:36,295 --> 02:44:40,275
you know, making it not just, uh, and, and that's gonna make

2293
02:44:40,555 --> 02:44:44,365
us think about planting trees and, and other sorts of, um, nicer

2294
02:44:45,235 --> 02:44:49,185
sidewalks or things like that. Something very functional. So I don't know where that goes, but

2295
02:44:49,405 --> 02:44:53,365
I'd like it to live somewhere. For now. I'd like to just have maybe

2296
02:44:53,605 --> 02:44:57,565
a gen general discussion about this and get, but I appreciate what you're saying, which is when we talk about it,

2297
02:44:57,725 --> 02:45:01,295
we want walkability to include some level of comfort with that walkability. So appreciate

2298
02:45:01,965 --> 02:45:05,845
that. Uh, edit to the thought. But I, I agree with where he is going with

2299
02:45:06,045 --> 02:45:09,665
that, because I think, I think we need to do a deeper dive on

2300
02:45:10,545 --> 02:45:14,395
the improved pedestrian safety. And I think there are some initiatives

2301
02:45:15,085 --> 02:45:18,925
that we're missing. And maybe that's not a, a conversation for now, but I do think

2302
02:45:19,125 --> 02:45:22,845
that needs to happen. It is a conversation for now, and I wanna encourage it.

2303
02:45:23,445 --> 02:45:27,165
I think that this is where we should spend our time is having this discussion. 'cause it is the most meaningful

2304
02:45:27,605 --> 02:45:31,595
discussion for staff to have some understanding about what do we mean? Because

2305
02:45:32,105 --> 02:45:36,045
we are going to go through an adoption process at some point with this, and I wanna make sure

2306
02:45:36,165 --> 02:45:40,045
that we have an understanding of where we're all coming from. You probably already do

2307
02:45:40,205 --> 02:45:43,645
on some level, but it is a worthwhile discussion. So if you have specific initiatives,

2308
02:45:44,575 --> 02:45:48,405
let's talk about what some of those might look like. Not to say they make it in or don't, but at least we

2309
02:45:48,605 --> 02:45:52,485
can understand the perspective. Well, first of all, I think all of this, anything that we can do

2310
02:45:54,085 --> 02:45:57,985
to address all of these points is its own form of economic development. I think it welcomes people

2311
02:45:58,375 --> 02:46:02,005
into the community. I think people pay a premium, um,

2312
02:46:02,925 --> 02:46:06,865
to live in residential areas that are connected. Um, and I think, I

2313
02:46:06,985 --> 02:46:10,965
think, you know, businesses wanna relocate where their employees can come in

2314
02:46:11,125 --> 02:46:14,805
and walk to lunch or walk to pick up dry cleaning or whatever. So I, I do think

2315
02:46:15,435 --> 02:46:18,765
that connectivity matters on the pedestrian safety.

2316
02:46:19,505 --> 02:46:23,485
one of the things that always comes to my mind is just, we talk about the

2317
02:46:23,645 --> 02:46:27,575
trail system, but I know we have this toolbox that we're

2318
02:46:28,115 --> 02:46:31,965
working with. Um, but we, we really need

2319
02:46:32,205 --> 02:46:35,935
better crosswalks, like getting people across some of our major thefor fairs.

2320
02:46:36,285 --> 02:46:40,165
and we've, we, we've talked about it. We've, we're trying to address it, but I I don't see it

2321
02:46:40,465 --> 02:46:43,195
as an initiative unless I'm missing it. 3 6 1.

2322
02:46:45,265 --> 02:46:48,955
give me an example of one of the intersections. You're talking about wanting people

2323
02:46:49,375 --> 02:46:53,155
to cross safer. Yeah. So I mean, we, we've talked about getting

2324
02:46:53,435 --> 02:46:57,375
people across the tollway, right? And that's got its own challenges. But,

2325
02:46:57,695 --> 02:47:01,615
you know, one of the ones that comes to mind is like, in my area, we, we've built out

2326
02:47:01,835 --> 02:47:05,595
some great, um, sidewalks. Um, there's

2327
02:47:06,075 --> 02:47:09,595
some bike paths there, but then you get to like beltway and midway

2328
02:47:10,255 --> 02:47:14,155
and that's it. There's not even a crosswalk there right now. So randy loves

2329
02:47:14,435 --> 02:47:18,435
to make fun of me because I wanna walk to grab a beer and a hamburger. But, you know, if I

2330
02:47:18,515 --> 02:47:22,515
wanted to go across midway, um, there's really not a safe way

2331
02:47:22,675 --> 02:47:26,395
to do it. It's broader. Yeah. I mean, they need to be well lit

2332
02:47:27,085 --> 02:47:30,925
that, you know, there, there needs to be, you know, dedicated something

2333
02:47:31,535 --> 02:47:35,535
there. Uh, something more than just paint that gives everyone

2334
02:47:35,695 --> 02:47:39,235
maybe a false sense of security. Okay. And

2335
02:47:39,705 --> 02:47:43,695
those intersections that, that you're referring to, you can completely

2336
02:47:44,395 --> 02:47:48,175
get me on board with looking at alternatives when you start talking about

2337
02:47:48,455 --> 02:47:52,395
going across the tollway. That's dallas. And I would

2338
02:47:52,555 --> 02:47:56,415
be all on board of getting of, of working with dallas to

2339
02:47:56,635 --> 02:48:00,625
encourage them to spend dallas money on dallas, on a dallas road.

2340
02:48:01,275 --> 02:48:05,215
I think that rather than addison tax dollar well on there, if,

2341
02:48:05,455 --> 02:48:09,315
if we're talking about getting dallas to do something there, I'm uh, absolutely

2342
02:48:09,635 --> 02:48:13,555
in agreement with you. But you still, in any of these roads that

2343
02:48:13,715 --> 02:48:17,655
you're talking about, even if we wanna talk about crossing the tow

2344
02:48:17,875 --> 02:48:21,875
lake, you still have to go across the service road, walk across yeah. And then

2345
02:48:21,955 --> 02:48:25,815
cross the other service road. Unless you're talking about exorbitant money of

2346
02:48:26,035 --> 02:48:30,015
going up and over, then you're going to have the same issues

2347
02:48:31,545 --> 02:48:35,485
with safety, with the, with the crosswalks. I understand.

2348
02:48:35,965 --> 02:48:38,965
I agree. And going across, but going across midway at beltway,

2349
02:48:41,495 --> 02:48:45,375
same thing. How, how do you, how, I'd love to

2350
02:48:45,535 --> 02:48:49,435
have that conversation on what you think would be more safe than a crosswalk and

2351
02:48:49,685 --> 02:48:53,635
minding the, the, the walk sites. Yeah. And I never make

2352
02:48:53,835 --> 02:48:57,665
fun of you. 'cause I walk to get a beer and burger. I love to walk. Okay. But it's,

2353
02:48:58,385 --> 02:49:02,015
it's what do we do and how do we do it in a fiscally

2354
02:49:03,365 --> 02:49:07,365
responsible way? And, and I think that's my point. Exactly. Like we, we gave

2355
02:49:07,485 --> 02:49:11,245
becky $150,000 to implement her toolbox, which

2356
02:49:11,525 --> 02:49:15,285
I think there's some great things in there, but I, I wanna have deeper conversations

2357
02:49:16,065 --> 02:49:20,045
and figure out what is the best way to get across midway. What is the best way to

2358
02:49:20,165 --> 02:49:22,845
get across beltline? Because I, I do think people want to do it.

2359
02:49:25,615 --> 02:49:29,105
zero problem with that talk. And, and let, let, let's look at it.

2360
02:49:29,685 --> 02:49:33,385
but you still have to cross the street. There are still cars driving on that street.

2361
02:49:33,965 --> 02:49:37,705
so what is the best way, you know, mining the sidewalks

2362
02:49:38,065 --> 02:49:41,725
and, and, and that type of thing. I'm all for crosswalk in places. Mm-hmm

2363
02:49:42,185 --> 02:49:45,665
. Uh, in addison with addison

2364
02:49:46,255 --> 02:49:50,135
tax dollars. Okay. I think we agree. Yeah. Absolutely. And

2365
02:49:50,495 --> 02:49:53,575
I think there's many places that we could look at putting

2366
02:49:54,535 --> 02:49:58,405
sidewalks along streets that don't have sidewalks to

2367
02:49:58,625 --> 02:50:02,505
where you can walk. Uh, I welcome those conversations

2368
02:50:03,325 --> 02:50:06,125
to be had. Okay. And in a prudent way.

2369
02:50:07,365 --> 02:50:11,345
so, uh, maybe I'll just jump on one of the specific points. And I, and I don't

2370
02:50:11,545 --> 02:50:15,505
wanna jump mention chris's points, but not divert the conversation too much on the,

2371
02:50:15,665 --> 02:50:19,465
um, the toy, because I think it's, that really is, when it's talking about east west, it's two conversations,

2372
02:50:19,955 --> 02:50:23,745
which I think, which fleshed out earlier, which we need to have total east west connectivity.

2373
02:50:24,605 --> 02:50:27,985
but it was in a large part talking about over the tollway.

2374
02:50:28,855 --> 02:50:32,085
well, fir first a portion of that is addison. And,

2375
02:50:32,885 --> 02:50:36,455
um, the conversation we had previously was a larger project

2376
02:50:37,035 --> 02:50:41,015
of closing the u-turn and doing something bigger. We don't see that being something that's

2377
02:50:41,255 --> 02:50:45,095
gonna move forward this time for a number of reasons. So we can look

2378
02:50:45,295 --> 02:50:49,215
at a smaller project that makes it safer to get across in addison,

2379
02:50:49,655 --> 02:50:53,475
because, uh, the south side is addison, right? Right. By the u-turn, if

2380
02:50:53,695 --> 02:50:57,655
you look at the line. So we can do things in addison, that's not a, not a hugely expensive

2381
02:50:58,175 --> 02:51:01,815
project, but make improvements to that. So I just don't want this conversation

2382
02:51:02,445 --> 02:51:06,215
because of a previous project we discussed, have us say we're never gonna

2383
02:51:06,475 --> 02:51:10,455
try to make pedestrian improvements over the tollway because there are things we can

2384
02:51:10,575 --> 02:51:14,245
do in addison. And that's not to shut down that conversation. Just to give a little bit of insight

2385
02:51:14,735 --> 02:51:18,595
into that. Um, to the other conversation of just overall, we,

2386
02:51:18,835 --> 02:51:22,495
we do have the one initiative that says, hey, we're gonna fi fi we're gonna finish the toolkit

2387
02:51:23,395 --> 02:51:27,165
and go forward with it if we want, if we want more initiatives that work

2388
02:51:27,455 --> 02:51:31,455
fairly state, we're going to bring back these discussions on intersections in the next

2389
02:51:31,635 --> 02:51:35,495
few months. Something like that. That sounds, I mean, I'm, I'm listening to you and we can do more

2390
02:51:35,735 --> 02:51:39,575
clear things like that as well. Just make it more obvious when those discussions

2391
02:51:40,055 --> 02:51:44,015
are coming, how we're gonna decide where we go. So, um, hopefully that

2392
02:51:44,175 --> 02:51:48,055
helps you a little bit. And, um, we're listening to you as we think about what those initiatives could be. I have a

2393
02:51:48,255 --> 02:51:52,135
question then, david, you, while you're on that, um, let's talk sidewalks, 'cause that's an easy one. We're

2394
02:51:52,415 --> 02:51:55,995
not talking about crosswalks, but sidewalks leading on

2395
02:51:56,465 --> 02:51:59,915
going east on beltline. As you get to inwood,

2396
02:52:00,715 --> 02:52:04,535
the sidewalk is as narrow as this table. Then you go further

2397
02:52:05,115 --> 02:52:08,085
east and you have a section that would be montfort

2398
02:52:09,225 --> 02:52:13,085
almost probably be back to the tollway. It's also as

2399
02:52:13,305 --> 02:52:16,665
wide as this. Are we talking about widening those areas of sidewalks

2400
02:52:17,935 --> 02:52:21,625
with or without ownership of the, uh, business centers? Yeah. Uh,

2401
02:52:22,405 --> 02:52:26,325
I mean there's just, we would love to absolutely. I mean, I, I walk on

2402
02:52:26,485 --> 02:52:30,285
the sidewalks and they're, I do too. They're difficult. But some of those are tight quarters,

2403
02:52:30,995 --> 02:52:34,915
like between by the vop mm-hmm . We,

2404
02:52:35,195 --> 02:52:39,175
we are continue to look at solutions there, but it's hard to find solutions that doesn't take

2405
02:52:39,335 --> 02:52:43,295
part those parking spots away from village on the parkway. So I

2406
02:52:43,415 --> 02:52:47,395
think that's gonna be a partnership with the owners of village on the parkway as we hope they improve the

2407
02:52:47,615 --> 02:52:51,475
pedestrian access throughout the entire project. Working also on

2408
02:52:51,695 --> 02:52:55,695
that part, on that sidewalk. But, you know, I think it's similar in other spots. It's just

2409
02:52:55,815 --> 02:52:59,615
a difficult conversation of working with the private industry, with the business owner

2410
02:52:59,875 --> 02:53:03,825
or I extent, and how do we do it. But I think the more that we emphasize it

2411
02:53:03,945 --> 02:53:07,905
from a council level, the more that we can use that as we're, as we go forward

2412
02:53:08,065 --> 02:53:11,865
and have conversations and look at, look at what those options are. Okay. Thank

2413
02:53:12,185 --> 02:53:12,265
you. Yeah.

2414
02:53:16,525 --> 02:53:19,945
so, and I would just make a comment about the, the crossing of the tollway. Yeah. We've had a lot of conversation,

2415
02:53:21,485 --> 02:53:25,305
all different kind of, uh, visions for that. And some very

2416
02:53:25,545 --> 02:53:29,505
expensive and some not possible to do. And I think where we've really kinda landed with that

2417
02:53:29,685 --> 02:53:33,465
is that, uh, is getting it to where creating, uh, an environment where

2418
02:53:34,535 --> 02:53:37,985
there's more awareness that there's pedestrians, crossing there, making it more visible

2419
02:53:38,795 --> 02:53:42,605
could to the drivers. 'cause right now, the, you know, drivers are

2420
02:53:42,825 --> 02:53:46,745
fairly inattentive already. So what can you do to, uh, to create something

2421
02:53:47,225 --> 02:53:50,985
that, that alerts them, say, I need to pay, I need to be paying attention here.

2422
02:53:51,325 --> 02:53:54,745
so, so that, and, and I think we, we can do some of those things that are not hugely expensive,

2423
02:53:55,765 --> 02:53:59,625
but can, can take some of our apprehension away every time we see somebody

2424
02:53:59,985 --> 02:54:03,505
crossing over there and just hoping they make it. So, so I think it is definitely

2425
02:54:04,105 --> 02:54:08,065
a discussion, but I think it's important for us to do that. Um, because, you know,

2426
02:54:08,145 --> 02:54:12,105
for, for the folks that are in the hotels that, that, that, that they're trying to

2427
02:54:12,185 --> 02:54:16,065
get over the village on the parkway and back, um, it's, I think we owe it,

2428
02:54:16,205 --> 02:54:20,125
uh, owe them a responsibility to try to do something to make that as, as,

2429
02:54:20,405 --> 02:54:24,165
as safe as possible. I think the number one thing is lighting. It's

2430
02:54:24,455 --> 02:54:28,295
so dimly lit where you're talking about yeah. Lighting and, and I think street

2431
02:54:28,535 --> 02:54:32,295
markings and things like that, you know? Yeah. If it was lit up, you can do some different things. Yeah. Yeah.

2432
02:54:32,845 --> 02:54:36,815
smarter people than me. I would wholly look forward to that conversation.

2433
02:54:37,835 --> 02:54:41,645
and this is, and I appreciate you saying it. This is the first time I've heard that

2434
02:54:42,735 --> 02:54:46,235
removing the u-turn lane has been taken off the table. Uh,

2435
02:54:46,915 --> 02:54:50,835
all this canopy over the top and all that is no longer the vision of that. If,

2436
02:54:51,115 --> 02:54:54,505
if the vision is truly trying to just improves

2437
02:54:55,285 --> 02:54:59,225
safety going across with lighting or some kind of

2438
02:54:59,345 --> 02:55:03,235
crosswalk activity, you, you won't have a bigger fan. Yeah. Some

2439
02:55:03,525 --> 02:55:07,385
of those things really might not have been, might not have been a, a vision or

2440
02:55:07,605 --> 02:55:11,465
maybe I used the wrong word, but it was part of the discussion, right. What are the different options we

2441
02:55:11,685 --> 02:55:15,365
could look at, you know? But once upon a time people talked about, you know, putting a deck park

2442
02:55:15,755 --> 02:55:19,605
over the, over the tow weight and that that was it. Probably put a green

2443
02:55:19,785 --> 02:55:23,565
dot on that picture when they saw it. Big green dot, big green dot .

2444
02:55:24,225 --> 02:55:28,125
yep. Great discussion. Yeah. Other thoughts? Yes. Yeah, I'm gonna

2445
02:55:28,245 --> 02:55:32,085
jump in. Um, I think, I think when the, uh, the cotton

2446
02:55:32,395 --> 02:55:36,255
belt trail gets completed, specifically the portion, uh, traversing

2447
02:55:37,565 --> 02:55:41,095
over the tollway, we'll we'll share a lot of insights

2448
02:55:42,155 --> 02:55:46,155
as to some other things that, that can be done when we're talking about, uh,

2449
02:55:47,135 --> 02:55:51,135
crossing, crossing the tollway, um, in the, in the

2450
02:55:51,255 --> 02:55:55,255
feeders and so, so forth that, that connect with that. Um, when I, when

2451
02:55:55,495 --> 02:55:59,415
I look at 3.2 and 3.6, it's just, I just wonder

2452
02:56:00,755 --> 02:56:04,725
with what we're talking about, it just seems like we're we're wanting to improve

2453
02:56:05,125 --> 02:56:09,125
pedestrian safety and then also maybe add something that to the

2454
02:56:09,245 --> 02:56:12,965
level of comfort to that. So I just, I, I just, I don't see

2455
02:56:13,995 --> 02:56:17,335
this major focus with improve east west

2456
02:56:18,365 --> 02:56:22,165
as a need as much as just overall throughout the town. Um,

2457
02:56:22,805 --> 02:56:26,545
and produ improve pedestrian safety. So that's, that's one thought.

2458
02:56:26,965 --> 02:56:30,625
um, the other, the other thought I had is we did the, we did the survey

2459
02:56:31,085 --> 02:56:34,965
and, and we, and we spoke, nick, what was that, three weeks or a month ago or

2460
02:56:35,185 --> 02:56:38,965
something like that? Um, doesn't sound like that that long, but

2461
02:56:39,225 --> 02:56:43,095
a lot has changed, right? A ton has changed. So,

2462
02:56:43,815 --> 02:56:47,795
so, um, you know, where I had some, some different thoughts

2463
02:56:48,375 --> 02:56:52,195
on 3.4 and 3.5, you know, those, those thoughts have changed.

2464
02:56:53,495 --> 02:56:56,655
um, and, and I no longer

2465
02:56:58,305 --> 02:57:02,045
want to change or edit that at this point because we just, we've

2466
02:57:02,395 --> 02:57:06,295
got a lot up in the air that we need to, uh, resolve. Um,

2467
02:57:07,095 --> 02:57:11,075
so, so I was one of the ones that said, hey, let's let the

2468
02:57:11,275 --> 02:57:15,075
market, uh, figure out first mile, last mile, let's let

2469
02:57:15,715 --> 02:57:19,555
entities like waymo, that kind of thing. Let, right now, I just kind of feel like we need

2470
02:57:19,755 --> 02:57:23,555
to keep that up there and, and that's our problem, our problem to solve.

2471
02:57:24,215 --> 02:57:28,155
and until it's solved, it's not solved. And, and, and we shouldn't remove it

2472
02:57:28,275 --> 02:57:31,055
or modify at this point. I think that'd be premature, but, um,

2473
02:57:32,495 --> 02:57:36,325
um, my change would be strike

2474
02:57:36,745 --> 02:57:40,455
3.2. And if we want to add some, some wording that darren suggested,

2475
02:57:41,445 --> 02:57:45,385
um, I'm, I'm open to that. You said a strike

2476
02:57:45,625 --> 02:57:47,505
3.2. Well, I think it's covered in 3.6.

2477
02:57:49,895 --> 02:57:53,885
there, there was a specific discussion when this about the east west being

2478
02:57:54,165 --> 02:57:58,165
the priority inside of the, the, the connectivity. And, and I think what you're suggesting

2479
02:57:58,525 --> 02:58:02,285
is that it no longer needs to be specifically called out. It could be placed under 3.6

2480
02:58:03,905 --> 02:58:07,445
or, or implied inside of 3.6 that east west is the type of connectivity

2481
02:58:08,025 --> 02:58:11,795
or that we're doing with it. So it could be improve

2482
02:58:12,415 --> 02:58:16,195
pedestrian safety and connectivity, or improve

2483
02:58:16,685 --> 02:58:20,645
pedestrian safety, comfort and connectivity or something to that

2484
02:58:20,805 --> 02:58:24,785
that encapsulates the east west. The other discussion that was had at that time, if

2485
02:58:25,005 --> 02:58:28,785
I recall correctly, and this is why the addison way and some of these other things had made it in there, was

2486
02:58:29,185 --> 02:58:33,045
we wanted to specifically signal to the community certain things, hence why

2487
02:58:33,205 --> 02:58:37,205
community engagement was called out separately as a key focus area. 'cause we wanted this document, which

2488
02:58:37,445 --> 02:58:41,185
is public facing, to be something that indicated our level of

2489
02:58:42,045 --> 02:58:46,045
interest in certain activities. So that's why that was called out separately,

2490
02:58:46,285 --> 02:58:49,805
is we wanted folks to know east west was the priority when we were talking.

2491
02:58:50,625 --> 02:58:54,265
so just flavoring the conversation a little bit. But so the two, uh,

2492
02:58:54,885 --> 02:58:58,865
strategic in the initial, I'm sorry, the initiatives underneath the objectives on

2493
02:58:59,085 --> 02:59:03,025
3.2, uh, two of 'em are striked out. So they're they're gone. Yep.

2494
02:59:03,275 --> 02:59:06,765
they've been discontinued. Uh, 3 2, 2 3, 2 3. What about 3, 2, 1

2495
02:59:07,625 --> 02:59:09,965
and 3, 2, 1. Um, is the only one left.

2496
02:59:11,645 --> 02:59:15,345
um, you know, I I think striking

2497
02:59:16,375 --> 02:59:19,945
what the title of that is, improve east west pedestrian connectivity, that was

2498
02:59:20,925 --> 02:59:24,215
so vague, um, to we, we could

2499
02:59:25,295 --> 02:59:29,075
rename it to, uh, improve strategic, uh, pedestrian

2500
02:59:29,745 --> 02:59:33,265
connectivity. And one of 'em would be specifically for that intersection.

2501
02:59:34,065 --> 02:59:37,785
'cause even though, uh, the dallas, uh, ntta in dallas

2502
02:59:38,255 --> 02:59:42,065
owns part of, uh, the crossing at the tollway, it's still in our best

2503
02:59:42,465 --> 02:59:46,105
interest to get people across there. And it, it's for, uh, for addison's good,

2504
02:59:46,725 --> 02:59:50,265
uh, for village on parkway for the hotels, for other, uh, parts

2505
02:59:50,805 --> 02:59:54,405
out on montford addison's side. So

2506
02:59:54,835 --> 02:59:58,705
maybe that will be so that we're specific about those because there's

2507
02:59:59,105 --> 03:00:02,765
a very important business process for pedestrians. Think about that. That's,

2508
03:00:03,185 --> 03:00:07,095
that's just not top. I'm stuck here. One more time. Um, just

2509
03:00:07,685 --> 03:00:11,045
if we keep it as three, two improve, um,

2510
03:00:12,305 --> 03:00:15,665
strategic pedestrian conductivity or business focused pedestrian conductivity,

2511
03:00:16,845 --> 03:00:20,545
uh, you know, thinking about crossing that intersection at the tollway.

2512
03:00:21,725 --> 03:00:25,205
um, and other places may be getting across,

2513
03:00:26,005 --> 03:00:29,665
uh, belt line, you know, towards the west end of addison

2514
03:00:30,065 --> 03:00:34,025
walk. So that's really crazy. Um, things like that.

2515
03:00:34,195 --> 03:00:37,935
maybe what we keep up there, but it, it easily could go under three six also. Well,

2516
03:00:38,225 --> 03:00:42,185
yes, you're talking about initiatives with those though. And I think, I think marlin makes a

2517
03:00:42,305 --> 03:00:45,985
good point that you could probably get rid of three, two and make it three six in. That's

2518
03:00:46,345 --> 03:00:49,985
what I understand. Safety and connectivity. We keep it at the strategic objective level,

2519
03:00:50,535 --> 03:00:54,465
then we would wanna rename it if we don't, uh, and we just strike it. I'm not opposed

2520
03:00:54,865 --> 03:00:58,825
to that. Yeah. Saying that. And I think you could, you could combine it with 3.6 and then move

2521
03:00:59,045 --> 03:01:02,985
that initiative over to that. I completely agree with that. Yeah.

2522
03:01:03,295 --> 03:01:07,115
I'm on board with that too. And then on board with that. Okay. We're getting a lot of support

2523
03:01:07,375 --> 03:01:10,955
for that, that concept. So let's talk about how three six should read. Let's talk about

2524
03:01:11,485 --> 03:01:15,395
we're striking three, two, let's talk about how three six should read so that

2525
03:01:15,515 --> 03:01:19,355
it encapsulates it. So we had strategic connectivity, I believe improve pedestrian safety

2526
03:01:19,775 --> 03:01:23,425
and strategic connectivity. No, I love it. Just the way it is. Improve

2527
03:01:23,915 --> 03:01:27,745
pedestrian safety. That's what we're talking about. Yeah. Keep it simple. Whether it be, keep

2528
03:01:28,035 --> 03:01:32,015
it simple, whether it means getting across midway, whether it means getting across or

2529
03:01:32,535 --> 03:01:36,115
coming down beltway. Whether it means putting in a sidewalk,

2530
03:01:37,425 --> 03:01:41,245
the less is more, in my opinion on this kind

2531
03:01:41,445 --> 03:01:45,435
of stuff. Okay. And, and I'm bringing this up because we had this discussion earlier.

2532
03:01:45,785 --> 03:01:49,635
lack of specificity caused us to go ahead and say we need more definition around certain terms.

2533
03:01:50,855 --> 03:01:54,635
I'm just making sure that we're clear enough that, and we are having the discussion so

2534
03:01:54,955 --> 03:01:58,955
staff understands what we're after with this. I just wanna make sure we're, we're dialing it in at the right

2535
03:01:59,075 --> 03:02:02,985
level. Well, if the, with east west pedestrian connectivity, if, if that

2536
03:02:03,275 --> 03:02:07,225
was intended to be more specific. That's where the confusion to

2537
03:02:07,385 --> 03:02:11,175
me comes in because it's so broad. We've got it. Not if I don't, I don't think you include east, west.

2538
03:02:11,665 --> 03:02:15,225
I, I, I'd like to see improved pedestrian safety and connective connectivity.

2539
03:02:16,505 --> 03:02:19,865
'cause it's, it's two, two separate things. I agree with that one. Okay. So 3.6,

2540
03:02:20,945 --> 03:02:24,905
improved pedestrian safety and connectivity and connectivity. Yeah. Alright. And I'm going now wait a minute. You're gonna have

2541
03:02:25,025 --> 03:02:28,915
to define connectivity for me on that then. What are we connecting? I it's

2542
03:02:29,405 --> 03:02:33,265
pedestrian safety is my concern. Business centers is what we're connecting. Yeah.

2543
03:02:33,555 --> 03:02:37,075
I think restaurants to employees, I think they're already connected.

2544
03:02:37,895 --> 03:02:41,755
we just need to make them safer. But, but can we improve the connectivity? Well, it

2545
03:02:41,915 --> 03:02:45,915
improve pedestrian safety is what I'm saying. Well, and I'm saying connectivity because we wanna, we wanna

2546
03:02:46,075 --> 03:02:49,035
make it better and easier for people to get around as pedestrians

2547
03:02:50,215 --> 03:02:54,035
as connectivity. But the connectivity to me, meaning we're connecting, you know, it

2548
03:02:54,235 --> 03:02:57,795
could be the end of a trail to the beginning of a trail as they get across

2549
03:02:59,235 --> 03:03:03,165
a road. I mean the, the, the connectivity I think is important. I just think

2550
03:03:03,365 --> 03:03:07,345
you're throwing mud, mud into the water when you look at that. Pedestrian safety is, is

2551
03:03:07,565 --> 03:03:10,755
where my concern would be. And that would include

2552
03:03:11,935 --> 03:03:15,875
if they're trying to walk someplace, put a sidewalk in or trying to walk across the street,

2553
03:03:16,095 --> 03:03:19,875
we got a good cross street. Well, I think it's you whether connectivity's

2554
03:03:20,835 --> 03:03:24,795
a priority for us or not. And and for me, for me it's a priority.

2555
03:03:25,055 --> 03:03:28,715
and I mean, and to have it separately mentioned I think is important. I agree.

2556
03:03:29,105 --> 03:03:32,755
when it comes to this connectivity conversation, and I'm just throwing this out here, does connect major destinations

2557
03:03:33,355 --> 03:03:37,105
in town. Thank you. Also, that's kind of help to that gap gap for us. Yeah.

2558
03:03:37,655 --> 03:03:41,575
and then when we're dealing with the safety issue, does pedestrian safety target the

2559
03:03:41,795 --> 03:03:45,715
type of this that we're after? I only bring that up. Just I think we're being redundant

2560
03:03:46,015 --> 03:03:49,995
if we put that in six. I I get your point and I get your point.

2561
03:03:51,305 --> 03:03:55,095
connecting major destinations is an important thing. Con it

2562
03:03:55,315 --> 03:03:59,205
does, it doesn't connectivity's a bigger thing than just that because you, it's talking

2563
03:03:59,365 --> 03:04:03,125
about connecting trails with neighborhoods and those other parts of connectivity.

2564
03:04:03,605 --> 03:04:07,605
those are not major destinations. Those are just making it easier for those folks that

2565
03:04:07,845 --> 03:04:11,835
do wanna get out and walk or ride a bike or whatever. And we are doing it. Yeah.

2566
03:04:12,125 --> 03:04:15,885
right. Every time we get some development and we, we it's happening. Correct.

2567
03:04:16,535 --> 03:04:20,425
we're just putting in and writing now. Yeah. No, I think, I think it's important to keep the keep and

2568
03:04:20,645 --> 03:04:24,645
connectivity as, as part of 3.6. Agreed. What I'm hearing though is we agree

2569
03:04:24,925 --> 03:04:28,865
that 3.2 should go yes, correct. Yes, correct. We do have general ascension on that. Yes,

2570
03:04:29,105 --> 03:04:32,805
yes. Correct. Okay, so 3.2 and now the

2571
03:04:33,125 --> 03:04:37,085
question becomes how 3.6 reads. I, I think, uh, to your

2572
03:04:37,285 --> 03:04:40,915
point, it could fit under 3.5. The pedestrian connectivity

2573
03:04:42,015 --> 03:04:45,515
things could, you know, we could say, okay, that's connect major destinations.

2574
03:04:46,255 --> 03:04:49,635
that's the west side of the tollway to the east side of the tollway.

2575
03:04:50,375 --> 03:04:54,315
and in this case that's, um, initiative would be, uh, pedestrian connectivity

2576
03:04:55,495 --> 03:04:59,325
and the next initiative under there may be a, uh, circulator, which

2577
03:04:59,675 --> 03:05:03,475
frankly the circulator could solve that problem also. I wanna propose something else.

2578
03:05:04,215 --> 03:05:08,075
um, I, I wanna propose that we would keep what

2579
03:05:08,275 --> 03:05:11,795
the mayor suggested on 3.6, improve pedestrian safety and connectivity,

2580
03:05:12,895 --> 03:05:15,445
but that we consider rewording 3.5

2581
03:05:17,055 --> 03:05:20,975
and, and strike major destinations and insert points of interest. So

2582
03:05:21,225 --> 03:05:25,035
connect points of interest in town. So we're talking about something much larger

2583
03:05:26,025 --> 03:05:29,995
than village on the parkway. And it, because it could be the mo

2584
03:05:30,175 --> 03:05:34,155
it could be the addison athletic club. It could, you know what I mean? I think if you did that then

2585
03:05:34,395 --> 03:05:38,275
you, then you wouldn't necessarily have to include connectivity in three six. 'cause that

2586
03:05:38,435 --> 03:05:42,315
might cover it then that one's, well, one, one I'm thinking pedestrian. And then another one

2587
03:05:42,615 --> 03:05:46,215
I'm thinking, um, some type of shuttle, uh, shuttle service or sonder

2588
03:05:46,635 --> 03:05:50,555
side, two different, two different, uh, products. I understand. Okay. But yeah, I mean I

2589
03:05:50,675 --> 03:05:54,435
think you could do that in three five, make that change. And then you could leave three six just

2590
03:05:54,715 --> 03:05:58,605
as it is. Uh, if you did that, your support, just so you,

2591
03:05:58,795 --> 03:06:02,385
what you suggest is support. Yes, yes. Absolutely. So what's I'm looking, what's

2592
03:06:02,805 --> 03:06:06,665
being put out there is that three five would change too. And can you say it again for us? Points of just remove

2593
03:06:07,125 --> 03:06:11,125
major destinations and insert connects points of interest in town. Yeah. And then

2594
03:06:11,245 --> 03:06:15,245
we leave this as improved pedestrian safety. Yeah. Yes. I have written

2595
03:06:15,555 --> 03:06:19,545
down and comfort. Did we talk about that? We kind of said

2596
03:06:19,665 --> 03:06:23,285
that can go under initiative, initiative level, but

2597
03:06:23,685 --> 03:06:27,565
uh, you know, comfort would kind of be

2598
03:06:27,725 --> 03:06:31,045
like, uh, moments. So it's kind of a little squishy.

2599
03:06:31,915 --> 03:06:35,705
okay. Yeah. And, and comfort that, because that can also go with some of the, uh, the other, uh,

2600
03:06:36,195 --> 03:06:40,195
what was the last one we were talking about with the, with the, uh, the vibrant inactive community? The vibrancy. Yeah. Yeah.

2601
03:06:40,565 --> 03:06:44,205
I mean I think that should be something under the points of interest

2602
03:06:44,745 --> 03:06:48,735
or on a tree. Five or three, six. Okay. That comfort is is and it rolls into parks

2603
03:06:49,085 --> 03:06:52,955
and trees, I mean right. Yep. Just it's more of a, it

2604
03:06:53,175 --> 03:06:57,125
weaves through a couple of different places. I appreciate that. And I think there's ways to put

2605
03:06:57,285 --> 03:07:01,165
that in there. I think it does fall embedded inside of initiatives as opposed to being

2606
03:07:01,365 --> 03:07:05,365
a specific call out in this case. That is my perspective, you guys. Yeah. And I know they're taking notes here,

2607
03:07:05,565 --> 03:07:09,505
so that's good. Yep, we are. And uh, that's perfect. And so connect points

2608
03:07:09,925 --> 03:07:13,925
of interest in town. Okay. We're feeling good about that. Yeah. General

2609
03:07:14,245 --> 03:07:18,165
preferences. Yes. Yes, yes. And then we've got improved pedestrian safety. We are still liking

2610
03:07:18,365 --> 03:07:20,555
that. Yeah. As is. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

2611
03:07:22,385 --> 03:07:26,325
okay. We're plowing through it. Friends. All right. We, I, yes. Oh,

2612
03:07:26,745 --> 03:07:30,585
I wanna talk. Go ahead. You got something else on that? Oh, he said we were plowing through

2613
03:07:31,355 --> 03:07:35,175
3.1. I wanna talk 3.1. Thank you. I do too. Yep. What does that mean? Give

2614
03:07:35,465 --> 03:07:39,285
me a definition of that. Exactly. Thank you, randy. I'd prefer not to. No, you, no,

2615
03:07:39,505 --> 03:07:43,345
you're just, 'cause I'm the person in front of the room. I mean, you know, I would like to strike

2616
03:07:43,545 --> 03:07:47,505
that. Yeah. Well it's not his document, so, so somebody else I'd like that I'm a mirror, you

2617
03:07:47,625 --> 03:07:51,625
know, mirror, mirror on the wall. Um, you know, let's talk it through three. One, one is

2618
03:07:51,785 --> 03:07:55,325
done, isn't it? Almost done. Well, that's what I'm saying. So why is it there? If

2619
03:07:55,835 --> 03:07:58,935
we're going much of this will,

2620
03:08:01,145 --> 03:08:04,965
it's almost outdated. Well, it's done since we first

2621
03:08:05,205 --> 03:08:08,725
talked about it because things could change. It could get put back in later.

2622
03:08:09,725 --> 03:08:13,485
I would like to strike 3.1. I think marlon would disagree with. Yeah, I just totally,

2623
03:08:13,995 --> 03:08:17,685
yeah, sorry. That means then tell me. Yeah, I I just think we've got

2624
03:08:18,005 --> 03:08:21,985
a ridiculous amount of work coming, uh, all around the tod oh, I, um,

2625
03:08:23,485 --> 03:08:27,265
uh, I see other transportation options that aren't here yet, whether that be

2626
03:08:27,635 --> 03:08:31,345
waymo or verti port, I don't think that falls under the category of

2627
03:08:31,715 --> 03:08:35,345
major north dallas transportation. Now, if you wanna reword it

2628
03:08:36,175 --> 03:08:39,925
into transportation to our points of interest, uh,

2629
03:08:40,535 --> 03:08:43,805
that could do that. But being a major north dallas transportation

2630
03:08:44,965 --> 03:08:47,575
hub is the words that that have me. Correct.

2631
03:08:49,005 --> 03:08:52,565
didn't you kind of drive this one last year? Do I remember that? Um,

2632
03:08:53,225 --> 03:08:57,105
I drove it. Yeah. I, yes, yes, yes. And, and I thought we also covered it when

2633
03:08:57,305 --> 03:09:01,265
we covered mobility, um, a few weeks back on that, on that

2634
03:09:01,365 --> 03:09:04,945
we do item. Um, but, but yeah, I, I view us having

2635
03:09:05,485 --> 03:09:09,265
an opportunity. Um, uh, I'm not saying we're

2636
03:09:09,585 --> 03:09:12,945
gonna be bigger than dfw airport or love field, right?

2637
03:09:13,765 --> 03:09:17,585
but, but with all the various, uh, mobility options that

2638
03:09:17,825 --> 03:09:21,745
we already have and that we're adding to the mix, um, the, the

2639
03:09:21,905 --> 03:09:25,575
more we can con uh, connect people that are coming

2640
03:09:25,915 --> 03:09:29,595
off the airport, some of them to maybe some other mobility option,

2641
03:09:30,515 --> 03:09:34,455
uh, that we might add in the future, I think, I think that's

2642
03:09:34,775 --> 03:09:38,735
very, very powerful. And that's, that's one of the ways where we become

2643
03:09:39,055 --> 03:09:42,605
maybe the most, uh, relevant, uh, place along the silver line.

2644
03:09:43,695 --> 03:09:47,575
I'm still not following you on a major north dallas transportation hub. If

2645
03:09:47,795 --> 03:09:50,855
you wanna say have an addison transportation hub,

2646
03:09:51,995 --> 03:09:55,385
I can go with that. But I, I, I, I'm just,

2647
03:09:56,105 --> 03:10:00,085
I guess I'm not grasping your vision on what you're talking about in three one.

2648
03:10:00,525 --> 03:10:04,415
so, yeah. Uh, I see that as what we have now

2649
03:10:04,815 --> 03:10:08,475
in dart with their transit station right there

2650
03:10:09,135 --> 03:10:13,035
as, as being the hub. Everything coming in. Yeah. Yeah. So I

2651
03:10:13,155 --> 03:10:16,585
don't know. I so what if, help me help see your vision. Yeah. Multiple points. Yeah.

2652
03:10:17,335 --> 03:10:21,235
so what if we had a, um, in the future, what if we had our own

2653
03:10:21,435 --> 03:10:25,345
circulator, right? That was, that was, um, connected

2654
03:10:25,955 --> 03:10:29,695
throughout addison and maybe just a little bit outside addison. What if we had

2655
03:10:30,155 --> 03:10:34,075
a, um, you know where a verta port is? Okay. So what if we had

2656
03:10:34,235 --> 03:10:37,755
a verta port, um, somewhere over there by the,

2657
03:10:38,495 --> 03:10:42,315
uh, south of, of addison circle park that's not coming in the next year

2658
03:10:42,615 --> 03:10:46,595
or next three years, but go ahead. Right. But, but we, no, we do

2659
03:10:46,715 --> 03:10:50,615
have to plan for it now. Right? We've got a addison airport master plan, and

2660
03:10:50,835 --> 03:10:54,595
if, if things like that aren't in the master plan, then, then we're then staff's

2661
03:10:55,075 --> 03:10:59,035
not focused on pursuing that. Well, I thought we'd agreed earlier that we were talking about

2662
03:10:59,335 --> 03:11:03,195
in the next year to three years. So is your challenge with

2663
03:11:03,435 --> 03:11:07,415
the word major, major north dallas? Yeah. So what if it just, what?

2664
03:11:08,605 --> 03:11:12,145
it's just, if we dropped, uh, major north dallas and just said significant

2665
03:11:14,395 --> 03:11:18,175
and, and hub, to me it seems like we're just taking a big swing and we're trying to think

2666
03:11:18,435 --> 03:11:20,245
big, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Yeah.

2667
03:11:22,695 --> 03:11:26,395
so that's my aspiration. Yeah. Yeah. That's the way that I see it. I just look at as vague.

2668
03:11:26,755 --> 03:11:30,155
I don't like north dallas. Yeah. We're into addison. What, what were you

2669
03:11:30,925 --> 03:11:34,895
we're talking about what addison's going to do, but we rely on north dallas to

2670
03:11:35,145 --> 03:11:38,865
rely absolutely only 17,000 people, you know, will make

2671
03:11:39,155 --> 03:11:42,275
my points go ahead. That that's what I'm telling . But I mean,

2672
03:11:43,305 --> 03:11:46,865
it's just like everything else. I mean, we're not gonna get there if we just think about addison

2673
03:11:47,355 --> 03:11:51,285
alone. I mean, we need to, but this plan is for addison track

2674
03:11:51,635 --> 03:11:54,755
people here. No, I agree with that completely. I just,

2675
03:11:55,925 --> 03:11:59,665
major north dallas transportation hub just

2676
03:12:00,145 --> 03:12:04,035
doesn't ring true with me. Okay. It needs to have a,

2677
03:12:04,175 --> 03:12:07,745
an addison heart

2678
03:12:09,045 --> 03:12:12,785
and I'm having trouble with build out and hub. Yes. What's build out precisely

2679
03:12:13,455 --> 03:12:17,445
what is build out and hub to you? Um, kinda like

2680
03:12:17,685 --> 03:12:21,585
what I just described. I mean, some of it is gonna be infrastructure. I mean, uh,

2681
03:12:22,085 --> 03:12:25,855
verti port is gonna require some infrastructure, right? You're

2682
03:12:26,275 --> 03:12:30,115
gonna need to land someplace, someplace safe, someplace relevant. They're

2683
03:12:30,395 --> 03:12:33,735
gonna need charging, uh, for something like that. Um,

2684
03:12:34,735 --> 03:12:37,975
uh, also talking about circulators, um,

2685
03:12:39,135 --> 03:12:41,075
we may need to have a a, a certain

2686
03:12:43,195 --> 03:12:46,505
main, main hub for those circulators. I don't know what that's gonna look like yet, but,

2687
03:12:47,345 --> 03:12:51,215
but I do believe that, um, that we can, this

2688
03:12:51,505 --> 03:12:55,285
is, this is not something we have right now, but I don't think it's something we're that far

2689
03:12:55,535 --> 03:12:59,515
from not in the, not in the next three years in the airport.

2690
03:13:00,415 --> 03:13:03,715
um, they need things like this right now and in the master transportation

2691
03:13:04,625 --> 03:13:08,475
plan, if we're even gonna start marching down that path of ver deport. So in

2692
03:13:08,675 --> 03:13:12,355
a hypothetical, fast forward a year from now, and there is no dark transit

2693
03:13:12,815 --> 03:13:16,635
center that goes away. Is that the area? You're talking about redevelopment as a,

2694
03:13:17,655 --> 03:13:21,535
to land these aircraft and to have these waymo's secured and things of

2695
03:13:21,755 --> 03:13:25,705
that nature in that, in that area. Okay.

2696
03:13:26,265 --> 03:13:29,595
basically you're talking about the center, the center of the town and the new heart of the town.

2697
03:13:31,595 --> 03:13:35,035
okay. And I don't have a problem with the word hub. I just don't know that it needs to be in all caps.

2698
03:13:36,455 --> 03:13:40,225
well, yeah, that is like a big is. Yeah. I'm, yeah. I I just,

2699
03:13:40,585 --> 03:13:43,505
I understand where you're coming from. I like that vision. I just don't think it's within the next

2700
03:13:45,665 --> 03:13:49,635
foreseeable future of this particular connectivity thing.

2701
03:13:50,075 --> 03:13:53,995
I I, I'm not, I'm not gonna fight you on it because I could live with it

2702
03:13:54,115 --> 03:13:58,055
or without it. I'm just saying north dallas build out of

2703
03:13:58,315 --> 03:14:02,235
a north dallas transfer state hub, I don't think's gonna happen in the next three years. Yeah. It's,

2704
03:14:02,435 --> 03:14:06,235
it's, it's just hard to know what, what, I'm now on your page. I'm, I'm in agreeance

2705
03:14:06,595 --> 03:14:10,455
now I understand where your head space is at. Another way of saying it for me is if

2706
03:14:11,455 --> 03:14:15,305
our voters decide to stay in dart, like I don't, I don't want that site

2707
03:14:15,595 --> 03:14:19,035
to be average. I want it to be the best it possibly can be. And if we can become

2708
03:14:20,195 --> 03:14:24,075
a major north dallas transportation hub, why wouldn't we try to get there?

2709
03:14:24,545 --> 03:14:27,885
well, I agree, but then we'd be at to dart amir better than make than major

2710
03:14:28,585 --> 03:14:31,865
premier. Yeah. Okay.

2711
03:14:32,875 --> 03:14:36,675
I withdraw my objection on that. Simply, I just want

2712
03:14:36,915 --> 03:14:40,225
to say, I would prefer to say addison and then

2713
03:14:41,355 --> 03:14:45,345
this was designed to be more aspirational. That was the discussion around it was, it was going for

2714
03:14:45,565 --> 03:14:49,525
more aspirational also the, if I recall, the reflections were along

2715
03:14:49,725 --> 03:14:53,645
the lines of we have to start planning for this now in order to actually make

2716
03:14:54,085 --> 03:14:57,945
progress on it if we wanted to. And this was one of those discussions related to

2717
03:14:58,185 --> 03:15:02,125
if we have folks coming here and we're the place where they connect, then they'll stay, they'll shop, they'll

2718
03:15:02,445 --> 03:15:06,345
work. That kind of thing. That's the nature of the discussion that I recall

2719
03:15:06,645 --> 03:15:10,585
was it is more aspirational. It also has some real deliverables that happened on

2720
03:15:10,745 --> 03:15:14,705
a shorter timeframe that needed to be addressed in order for it to make the plan. That's what I recall

2721
03:15:14,985 --> 03:15:18,805
around it. Yeah. And, and, and I think the, uh, the having it there and keeping it there as,

2722
03:15:19,025 --> 03:15:22,265
as part of our strategic plan is, is good. And it important to do that

2723
03:15:23,205 --> 03:15:27,145
one, it keeps, keeps the top of mind for us. And if those

2724
03:15:27,425 --> 03:15:30,825
people that are in that, in that world, in that space with that technology

2725
03:15:31,445 --> 03:15:35,225
are looking for a, a location, they see that as part of our

2726
03:15:35,745 --> 03:15:39,615
strategic plan that might help them in their decisions. Okay.

2727
03:15:40,865 --> 03:15:44,775
I have no problem with that. Mayor, that I withdraw my call

2728
03:15:45,085 --> 03:15:48,865
to x there. Good discussion though. Oh, this is, this is the discussion we should be having. We could

2729
03:15:49,165 --> 03:15:52,515
a fork in there. We could change it to north texas transportation

2730
03:15:53,595 --> 03:15:57,495
hub, premier north texas transportation. I think we were good. We that too big. I'll, I

2731
03:15:57,615 --> 03:16:01,615
think it's swinging big man. Yeah. . Okay. I prefer premier to major. I

2732
03:16:01,735 --> 03:16:04,645
agree with mark. Sorry, dear. Whatever. Okay.

2733
03:16:06,105 --> 03:16:09,715
I don't know if anybody cares. It's one word float to har. Hmm.

2734
03:16:10,115 --> 03:16:13,785
a har what do you need? Damn.

2735
03:16:14,275 --> 03:16:18,255
I just, am I going?

2736
03:16:18,615 --> 03:16:21,675
I working my, there you go. Uh,

2737
03:16:22,885 --> 03:16:26,845
so just a couple points about the initiatives on this. And this is, so, I mean, I think you

2738
03:16:27,065 --> 03:16:30,985
all basically saying this. I think this is obviously as we go

2739
03:16:31,105 --> 03:16:34,985
through the year one, where the initiatives are gonna change depending on where everything

2740
03:16:35,515 --> 03:16:39,465
lands. Um, particularly on the ones that we've been talking about. I mean, first mile, last mile,

2741
03:16:39,725 --> 03:16:43,685
can the, the way we've changed 3.5, that's gonna be dependent on how everything plays out

2742
03:16:44,125 --> 03:16:48,025
for the rest of the year. So I think you're gonna see a lot of changes on that. But I also think on

2743
03:16:48,185 --> 03:16:51,905
3.1, this conversation, this conversation has been very helpful for us.

2744
03:16:52,545 --> 03:16:56,185
I think there's things we're already doing that we can actually highlight as initiatives

2745
03:16:56,785 --> 03:17:00,665
in three one, but to hear this conversation helps me to crystallize some

2746
03:17:00,865 --> 03:17:04,825
of the things we can do with initiatives on that. So it was helpful to hear this as we start

2747
03:17:04,985 --> 03:17:08,625
to develop that, I think you'll see some changes to those as we go forward. You know,

2748
03:17:10,415 --> 03:17:13,355
my, my opinion has changed on first mile, last mile

2749
03:17:14,745 --> 03:17:18,725
before going forward with our vote to po to have a a

2750
03:17:18,965 --> 03:17:22,725
a vote. I, I, I would be adamantly opposed to first mile, last

2751
03:17:23,035 --> 03:17:26,865
mile, that's somebody's responsibility to get himself to and from the bus. Now

2752
03:17:27,085 --> 03:17:30,405
that we, that we are going to be looking at other alternatives

2753
03:17:31,205 --> 03:17:34,805
to transportation, first mile, last mile is what I'm hoping we can provide

2754
03:17:35,225 --> 03:17:39,005
our residents. So I I, my my opinion has certainly changed

2755
03:17:39,265 --> 03:17:42,335
on, on that and, and I wanna keep that in. Okay.

2756
03:17:44,525 --> 03:17:48,455
yeah. So based on what I'm hearing, we're moving through this and I really appreciate

2757
03:17:48,935 --> 03:17:52,735
the thoughtful conversation. I know this is where the devil's in the details and the way that we go about

2758
03:17:52,975 --> 03:17:56,855
and the, what we're doing is the big part of this conversation. What I'll say is we've

2759
03:17:57,175 --> 03:18:01,175
talked, one, I didn't, I heard some suggestions for change. I heard motions withdrawn.

2760
03:18:01,815 --> 03:18:05,815
I don't hear premier north texas, texas, the world. I don't

2761
03:18:06,015 --> 03:18:09,655
know where we are in this, but I'll say that it sounds like there's not a really strong, and again,

2762
03:18:10,255 --> 03:18:14,255
remember this again, agreement or record. That's, that's the space

2763
03:18:14,455 --> 03:18:18,335
we're after. No significant objection. It didn't feel like there's an objection to keeping it as is

2764
03:18:18,595 --> 03:18:22,535
for now. So let's keep it as is unless anybody really wants to hammer me on that.

2765
03:18:22,665 --> 03:18:26,495
we're gonna roll on your word visionary changed my mind. So I'd like to see visionary

2766
03:18:27,155 --> 03:18:30,805
put in ex in marks up there, but I'll leave it at that. Okay.

2767
03:18:32,135 --> 03:18:35,505
okay. Good. Okay, good. Yep,

2768
03:18:36,365 --> 03:18:40,345
yep, yep. We're not feeling it on in. We're out with, uh, east,

2769
03:18:40,745 --> 03:18:44,585
west pedestrian connectivity that is gone. Yep. Correct. Three, three is something we haven't

2770
03:18:44,905 --> 03:18:48,745
discussed. Three, four, we have not discussed. Three. Five. We're okay with three. Six.

2771
03:18:48,965 --> 03:18:52,765
we're okay with, uh, I thought three with modifications. Points of

2772
03:18:53,005 --> 03:18:56,925
interest with points of interest. That's right. Correct. Points of interest is the change that we made there. I'm sorry. Three. Three and three

2773
03:18:57,045 --> 03:19:00,925
four are the only other ones up there. Uh, when it comes to this, any significant objections to

2774
03:19:01,085 --> 03:19:03,475
update and implement the master transportation plan?

2775
03:19:06,375 --> 03:19:10,375
I'm sorry, can we, can we jump back to three five again? I thought we made another change with that. It

2776
03:19:10,595 --> 03:19:14,475
was, uh, it was, we were gonna add connectivity to that one. It was connect points of interest

2777
03:19:14,655 --> 03:19:18,295
in town. Points of interest. That's all right. What I said. Yeah. Yes,

2778
03:19:18,935 --> 03:19:22,675
it was your exact phrasing, so I'm glad yeah, you agree

2779
03:19:22,955 --> 03:19:26,595
with you. And that is what's important here is that, you know, uh, that's good. So mimicking me,

2780
03:19:27,115 --> 03:19:30,855
, I love that. I love that. Look at that. Uh,

2781
03:19:31,495 --> 03:19:35,335
but, but help me with this. Uh, three, three and three four. Well, lemme try three, four real quick. It

2782
03:19:35,555 --> 03:19:39,555
sounded like we maybe had, because again, three weeks ago maybe we had some objections. Now we

2783
03:19:39,635 --> 03:19:43,475
don't have the same objections we did to that. So are we okay with three four? Correct.

2784
03:19:43,845 --> 03:19:47,275
we're okay. I, uh, okay. And maybe, um,

2785
03:19:48,955 --> 03:19:52,835
does the circulator fall under there? It does for me. Does for everybody

2786
03:19:52,995 --> 03:19:56,765
else? Yeah, it does for me. Cell microt transit, uh, point

2787
03:19:57,115 --> 03:20:00,995
to point falls under there. That's, that's the definition of all that. Yeah. Points of interest. I just wanna make sure.

2788
03:20:01,305 --> 03:20:05,195
yeah. Okay. Which is all of that is why I would yeah, right.

2789
03:20:05,675 --> 03:20:09,395
continue to have this in for myself. Yeah. Okay. Good.

2790
03:20:09,795 --> 03:20:13,645
good. I I have a question on three three. Does it, uh, address

2791
03:20:14,195 --> 03:20:18,085
bike lanes under three three that would I, as I would assume that that

2792
03:20:18,205 --> 03:20:22,045
is where bike lanes exist at. There's only one now. Not, not in the initiative level. Really.

2793
03:20:22,485 --> 03:20:26,285
I was so wrong. The only initiative in three three is to complete the plan

2794
03:20:26,945 --> 03:20:30,905
and implement it. Um, that I will tell you all

2795
03:20:31,945 --> 03:20:35,865
at this point. We were on a schedule to wrap that up very soon. We

2796
03:20:36,085 --> 03:20:39,755
are gonna delay that until we see how everything plays out with dart.

2797
03:20:40,515 --> 03:20:44,365
I'll give some caveats to that. We're gonna, yeah, we're gonna delay to say, oh, because the plan

2798
03:20:44,915 --> 03:20:48,795
will change naturally. Our master transportation plan will change if

2799
03:20:49,015 --> 03:20:52,735
we are not in dart, that is not gonna delay the pedestrian

2800
03:20:53,205 --> 03:20:57,135
toolbox and the toolbox implementation. We are gonna continue on that. We may bring that,

2801
03:20:57,265 --> 03:21:00,945
we'll bring that separately. We'll approve that separately. So we are gonna kind of separate those

2802
03:21:01,315 --> 03:21:04,895
two. But it, it would not make sense for us to adopt a master transportation

2803
03:21:05,565 --> 03:21:08,735
plan that we could potentially have to revise in six months.

2804
03:21:09,865 --> 03:21:13,715
but that is not stopping the toolkit, I think. Okay. That would've been less. Okay.

2805
03:21:14,565 --> 03:21:18,535
I, I do have a question though. Where in, um,

2806
03:21:18,765 --> 03:21:22,635
these initiatives are we picking up, like possibly having to find

2807
03:21:22,795 --> 03:21:26,085
replacement for dart? So based on

2808
03:21:26,805 --> 03:21:30,805
my impression in this discussion, it would be both three four and three five, really. Three five is

2809
03:21:31,025 --> 03:21:34,645
where it would primarily live. We're saying connect major points in town. Um,

2810
03:21:35,365 --> 03:21:39,265
and three, three will be part of inside the master ation. So I, I think you

2811
03:21:39,425 --> 03:21:43,405
could probably see different pieces of the initiatives all the way from three three to three five. Um,

2812
03:21:43,645 --> 03:21:47,485
you know, we're, some of that will be fleshed out as, as we have the discussion on february 10th

2813
03:21:48,055 --> 03:21:52,045
about what those options could look like. Um, but if there needs to

2814
03:21:52,125 --> 03:21:55,955
be verbiage changes to make that more clear, I mean, that's something that we're open

2815
03:21:56,245 --> 03:21:59,825
to. Just, just did, did you have thoughts on that?

2816
03:22:00,325 --> 03:22:04,065
um, well, you know, the, the first mile,

2817
03:22:04,345 --> 03:22:08,265
last mile and connecting major destinations in town, I don't know if that really

2818
03:22:09,275 --> 03:22:12,975
picks it up. I mean, but before we even put an initiative

2819
03:22:13,395 --> 03:22:17,295
on there, I, we probably need to have a conversation on what

2820
03:22:17,585 --> 03:22:21,585
do we really wanna provide? Is it something just to addison residents? Is it

2821
03:22:22,415 --> 03:22:25,745
providing someone who might live in richardson but works in addison?

2822
03:22:27,025 --> 03:22:30,865
I think that's what's coming up on our february 10th. Yeah. So I, I guess that's where I'm going. It is

2823
03:22:31,105 --> 03:22:35,105
I part of it. We'll have that conversation and then I guess at some point that'll become an initiative.

2824
03:22:35,615 --> 03:22:39,495
yeah. 'cause the initiatives can change. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And,

2825
03:22:39,715 --> 03:22:43,675
and yeah, and that's what you would see is you would see the initiatives be modified as a

2826
03:22:43,795 --> 03:22:47,335
result of the discussions you're having on the 10th. Then you would be able to come back and

2827
03:22:48,095 --> 03:22:52,035
the plan would still function. However, you'd have a few initiatives underneath that that might

2828
03:22:52,195 --> 03:22:55,875
address exactly what you're referring to. I got it. Okay. That makes sense. Thank you. Uh, and I, I guess I just want one

2829
03:22:56,405 --> 03:23:00,245
piece of clarification. As you were wrapping everything up, you did a good job and you said, hey, three,

2830
03:23:00,595 --> 03:23:03,695
two is going away, but I wanna make sure what I am hearing is

2831
03:23:04,675 --> 03:23:08,485
that, is that become synonymous for the beltline crossing. We're still gonna have an initiative that's

2832
03:23:08,725 --> 03:23:12,165
literal away the toy. Sorry. Yeah. We're still gonna have an initiative that's looking at a

2833
03:23:12,905 --> 03:23:16,795
smaller scale safety focused crossing that we may bring

2834
03:23:17,115 --> 03:23:20,955
back. I just don't want you to see that as initiative and say, well, I thought we could wrap that up. Three

2835
03:23:21,295 --> 03:23:24,395
six, I think is where I'm with that. Yeah, perfect. Absolutely. With you on that.

2836
03:23:25,775 --> 03:23:29,635
so something, um, so there'll be other items

2837
03:23:30,335 --> 03:23:34,175
with the, uh, transportation solutions with or without dart.

2838
03:23:34,925 --> 03:23:38,865
uh, that may, that we'll define further in a council meeting coming

2839
03:23:39,165 --> 03:23:42,945
up. If they don't particularly fit under one of these, are we just gonna make 'em fit somewhere?

2840
03:23:43,375 --> 03:23:47,345
initiatives or we're gonna create a new objective? It's possible that you could

2841
03:23:47,505 --> 03:23:51,405
create a new objective as you guys have that, as y'all have that discussion. Um, it

2842
03:23:51,625 --> 03:23:55,225
could be that they fit very neatly into one of these. It could be a part of, and I think that's the catch,

2843
03:23:55,745 --> 03:23:59,665
which is, is it actually implied inside of one of these or something that could get rolled up

2844
03:23:59,865 --> 03:24:03,745
under there? I think it's a little cart before the horse. It's hard to make that call

2845
03:24:03,945 --> 03:24:07,805
because it is such a major call. It would be more of a placeholder. It

2846
03:24:08,025 --> 03:24:11,945
it is a little bit. Okay. And, uh, it could we add in another objective, but it also could be

2847
03:24:12,065 --> 03:24:15,625
that we're taking some initiatives underneath there and saying, hey, they belong under

2848
03:24:16,075 --> 03:24:19,985
connecting a, a, again, the, the points of interest in town. Just wanna make sure

2849
03:24:20,195 --> 03:24:24,165
we're, we're okay with adding an objective versus, um, not

2850
03:24:24,385 --> 03:24:28,345
having a place to put something. If it needs to be the case, I would say yes. And you'd wanna do

2851
03:24:28,505 --> 03:24:32,385
that before you do formal adoption. I would say in general though, if it does fit under here,

2852
03:24:32,885 --> 03:24:36,545
and then of course next year, once we know where things are going, we can

2853
03:24:37,055 --> 03:24:40,905
have a much clearer conversation about some of these things that have a little ambiguity right

2854
03:24:41,105 --> 03:24:44,925
now because of the vote. Is there something specific in mind right now? Or just

2855
03:24:45,195 --> 03:24:48,885
just the thought? Yeah, some of the things that may not fall directly under it, like the, um,

2856
03:24:49,315 --> 03:24:53,065
paratransit, um, express bus downtown. Some of those things that's,

2857
03:24:53,505 --> 03:24:57,445
you know, kind of just not up there right now. I've got a

2858
03:24:57,565 --> 03:25:01,445
list of them. The other one is, um, with regard to what you mentioned,

2859
03:25:01,805 --> 03:25:05,325
david, about making sure that the tollway and belt line crossing

2860
03:25:05,985 --> 03:25:09,725
is still on the radar and is still an active. Um, do we,

2861
03:25:10,265 --> 03:25:14,105
and I it is kind of an initiative level. Do we have like an inventory of, of

2862
03:25:14,325 --> 03:25:17,865
the pedestrian crossings that we want to address? I think we do.

2863
03:25:18,545 --> 03:25:22,325
it looks like it's in 3 6 1. That's the toolkit. That is the toolkit,

2864
03:25:22,745 --> 03:25:26,685
yep. Okay. 'cause I know we have a tool, but part, it's a toolkit, but part of the toolkit. But the toolkit will be how we

2865
03:25:26,845 --> 03:25:30,765
address them, but as an inventory of not inventory of tools, but in

2866
03:25:30,925 --> 03:25:34,765
inventory of crossings that, that are gonna be the ones and sidewalks, other pedestrian

2867
03:25:35,285 --> 03:25:39,215
things. 'cause I, I mean there's a lot around there. I'd like to get an inventory. I wanna

2868
03:25:39,565 --> 03:25:43,525
hire a consultant to do it. Maybe we can walk around, have howard walk around with the notepad and murder

2869
03:25:43,725 --> 03:25:47,045
it. Law. Law. Well it's beers and burgers. Hold on. I'll do it too. .

2870
03:25:49,305 --> 03:25:53,005
by the third beer and the third burger. The crosswalks are gonna get real interesting. But yeah. Inventory

2871
03:25:53,995 --> 03:25:57,845
inventory's there of all the things, all the places we need to do.

2872
03:25:58,275 --> 03:26:01,285
yeah. That's what we're bringing. Okay. We're good. Thanks. Excellent.

2873
03:26:05,105 --> 03:26:08,755
the perfect at this point,

2874
03:26:09,155 --> 03:26:12,985
I think we've hit a nice point here for a second. What I'm gonna do is I'm gonna call a break. We're gonna compile

2875
03:26:13,535 --> 03:26:17,335
all of the changes that we're discussed today. We're gonna print out

2876
03:26:17,555 --> 03:26:21,555
copies so that you can see those. And we will do one more review of the thing. So I understand

2877
03:26:21,875 --> 03:26:25,735
what you see in there. That's not what we're doing. What we're doing is we're gonna have a review of

2878
03:26:25,955 --> 03:26:29,275
everything. We just came up the modifications, so you have one more chance to take a look at it.

2879
03:26:30,115 --> 03:26:34,055
one more chance to make comment on it. And we're gonna wrap up the day after that. So that's my intent is

2880
03:26:34,255 --> 03:26:37,935
we'll have your actual wording changed on the fly. Some printouts

2881
03:26:38,335 --> 03:26:42,175
will be coming. So we'll take a 15 minute break here just so we can stretch our legs unless

2882
03:26:42,535 --> 03:26:46,495
we have one form. Yeah. Nick, I've got an idea. Yes, sir. Um, so we removed one of our key focus

2883
03:26:46,785 --> 03:26:50,775
areas. Yes, sir. And we can just leave it at that and, and be more focused

2884
03:26:51,275 --> 03:26:54,775
on, on six key focus areas rather than seven.

2885
03:26:55,875 --> 03:26:59,795
or we could add, add another key focus area

2886
03:27:00,305 --> 03:27:03,965
and we would retain seven. And my thought coming into this meeting

2887
03:27:04,825 --> 03:27:08,565
is that we would do what we did, but also add, uh, addison airport,

2888
03:27:09,505 --> 03:27:13,085
um, as the seventh key focus area, just because it's such a major,

2889
03:27:13,865 --> 03:27:17,745
um, part of our okay. Our economy. And it's

2890
03:27:18,025 --> 03:27:21,935
a major, uh, differentiator. This is the point

2891
03:27:22,055 --> 03:27:25,735
for that discussion. So you're suggesting adding a seventh related to the airport. I'm suggesting adding,

2892
03:27:26,115 --> 03:27:29,655
adding, uh, addison airport as

2893
03:27:30,175 --> 03:27:34,135
as a key focus area. Is it currently fall

2894
03:27:34,435 --> 03:27:38,315
in yeah, I was looking, I think there's various things, uh,

2895
03:27:38,675 --> 03:27:42,515
active out across apple economic development. Yeah.

2896
03:27:42,805 --> 03:27:46,685
because it's in the leverage addison airport. So you're just wanting on the

2897
03:27:47,085 --> 03:27:51,025
strategic specific. Yeah, it, it, I think it, um, deserves, uh,

2898
03:27:52,265 --> 03:27:56,125
big, big focus that it, it's not getting right now. It's a really big deal.

2899
03:27:56,865 --> 03:28:00,705
um, there's already, um, initiatives we have that are scattered around,

2900
03:28:01,305 --> 03:28:05,245
um, in other key focus areas. Um, but obviously

2901
03:28:06,005 --> 03:28:09,105
complete the addison airport master plan, stuff like that. Um,

2902
03:28:10,185 --> 03:28:13,985
um, complete taxiway bravo. We just, I don't

2903
03:28:14,255 --> 03:28:17,925
feel that that we as a council are focused in on

2904
03:28:18,305 --> 03:28:21,925
that as much as it deserves. We do a lot of work with it, but,

2905
03:28:22,405 --> 03:28:26,285
but I think we should be more focused. I think it's a big asset and

2906
03:28:26,505 --> 03:28:30,305
I think we overlook it. Like I mentioned earlier, there's, it's a, it's a corporate gateway and it's a driver

2907
03:28:30,605 --> 03:28:34,305
of economic growth, not just on the airport economic, I mean, not really on the airport

2908
03:28:35,025 --> 03:28:38,755
economic growth, but on the whole town economic growth that it's, it's an asset

2909
03:28:39,165 --> 03:28:42,985
for the corporates that, uh, are here, are nearby, do business in addison.

2910
03:28:44,125 --> 03:28:48,065
so, uh, I'm, I mean I'm not stuck to it, but I'm in favor of a good conversation of it

2911
03:28:48,185 --> 03:28:51,845
being a k of a. Yeah. I'm not opposed to that

2912
03:28:52,665 --> 03:28:55,015
if I'm not opposed to it.

2913
03:28:58,205 --> 03:29:02,145
so then we have to take that a hundred points and now we got

2914
03:29:02,345 --> 03:29:06,335
another one that next year, if I was trouble year next year we will. Yep. Next

2915
03:29:06,625 --> 03:29:10,425
year. Now that it was a fine boys not to do issue

2916
03:29:10,735 --> 03:29:14,625
selling next year, it was hard. I was happy we went to six, but I, the airport's

2917
03:29:15,025 --> 03:29:17,815
important. I'll make it 500 points next to your council member. Okay.

2918
03:29:19,185 --> 03:29:22,825
absolutely. The math is too hard. It may not be, that may not be enough.

2919
03:29:23,195 --> 03:29:27,045
marla. You come up to 104%. There we go. Marlon, do you have any four, do

2920
03:29:27,265 --> 03:29:30,585
you have any flowery language to go with that or do you want us to come up? Um,

2921
03:29:31,745 --> 03:29:35,745
I go, are we gonna do some wordsmithing? We could, we could, uh, with

2922
03:29:35,985 --> 03:29:39,865
all this stuff, are we probably not the key focus areas, but I don't need,

2923
03:29:40,145 --> 03:29:44,105
I mean for me, addison airport, it's as, it's as for the

2924
03:29:44,265 --> 03:29:48,185
key focus area. Wording or, or what strategic objectives, key focus area. We,

2925
03:29:48,345 --> 03:29:52,345
we'll just try to think of words to make it have the same tense as the other ones. Something like that. Yep. We'll, we'll figure

2926
03:29:52,505 --> 03:29:56,295
something out. Addison airport works for me, but if you've

2927
03:29:56,535 --> 03:30:00,405
got something better, great. Okay. Thank you. Would would federal control

2928
03:30:00,955 --> 03:30:04,625
or federal funding of that airport, or, or would,

2929
03:30:04,975 --> 03:30:08,775
would that cause us any problem in doing this? I, I agree that it is, it is an asset that

2930
03:30:09,015 --> 03:30:12,435
we need to constant, it needs to be one of our concentrations. But

2931
03:30:13,035 --> 03:30:16,895
is that it's a, it's a different animal too. It's, it's

2932
03:30:17,185 --> 03:30:20,945
an animal of a different shape and color, so. Correct. Um, is there

2933
03:30:21,425 --> 03:30:25,385
anything that would prevent us from having that as a key focus area? Well, then

2934
03:30:25,505 --> 03:30:29,105
I would support it if that's a no. So what all kind of things do we want under it?

2935
03:30:30,585 --> 03:30:34,565
so, so let's start with, first of all, ascending it to a key focus area. I'm hearing general, but I want

2936
03:30:34,725 --> 03:30:38,485
to, I want to have a preference indication that we are on board with it being

2937
03:30:38,925 --> 03:30:42,795
elevated to the level of a key focus area. Yep. So if you're on board with that. Yes. Alright.

2938
03:30:43,305 --> 03:30:47,245
I'm getting the general yeses. So the air. Yep. And we're gonna give you 500 points next year. And I hear you on

2939
03:30:47,365 --> 03:30:51,365
that. I just, just for howard, for howard, how you're gonna, I'm the, I'm the ignorant one

2940
03:30:51,525 --> 03:30:55,245
here. 'cause I really don't know anything about this airport. Not at all. So it seems like the airport

2941
03:30:55,835 --> 03:30:59,645
kind of runs as its own entity and, and

2942
03:30:59,865 --> 03:31:03,645
we approve a lot of stuff for the airport. 'cause they're funding it. They're self-funded. We,

2943
03:31:04,865 --> 03:31:08,785
I mean, I'm not opposed to putting it in here, but it, these things seem to

2944
03:31:08,945 --> 03:31:12,545
be like we have direct input in the airport, seems to operate independently.

2945
03:31:13,185 --> 03:31:17,025
I don't know if that makes a difference to whether it's, I mean there really is no they or not,

2946
03:31:17,195 --> 03:31:20,925
there is. No, they we are the airport. You are the airport. So

2947
03:31:21,325 --> 03:31:25,085
you're the airport just like your parks and rec, just like your public safety. So,

2948
03:31:25,645 --> 03:31:29,645
um, and that's, I mean, and I think whatever we can do to help, to not

2949
03:31:29,805 --> 03:31:33,565
think of it that way, if this helps us to not think of it that way, then I think it's a good improvement is because,

2950
03:31:34,345 --> 03:31:38,165
um, you're just as much the airport as you are. That's one reason I'm supporting this

2951
03:31:38,625 --> 03:31:42,445
is because I don't think we think of it that way as much as we should.

2952
03:31:43,105 --> 03:31:46,925
and it will give us more of a inclusionary feeling for the airport.

2953
03:31:47,985 --> 03:31:51,885
and I mean, going back to your major north texas hub deal, is that where that would fit

2954
03:31:52,065 --> 03:31:56,045
up underneath? Yes. I mean, yeah. Mm-hmm . Part of that. So both of those

2955
03:31:56,165 --> 03:31:59,865
would be good. And I also think there's some contributions to the general fund

2956
03:32:00,745 --> 03:32:04,555
that the airport has now that we could grow. That's why I would support it being a,

2957
03:32:04,795 --> 03:32:08,405
a focus. Right. David? I, david, I'd ask that and maybe bruce, you

2958
03:32:08,955 --> 03:32:12,945
chime in on this. Um, is it a part of, and maybe I

2959
03:32:13,065 --> 03:32:17,025
missed it, our friday newsletters, could that be a part of what was happening at the airport

2960
03:32:17,305 --> 03:32:21,215
call? What's happening at the airport maybe once a month? Some people that

2961
03:32:21,505 --> 03:32:24,825
do read that newsletter versus being passed over so much.

2962
03:32:26,265 --> 03:32:30,055
yeah, we do. We can continue to, to do that. We could be emphasizing it more. We

2963
03:32:30,275 --> 03:32:34,035
have a lot of stepping to friday reports that go to you all. We do do newsletters and

2964
03:32:34,715 --> 03:32:38,635
frequently, but we can make sure we do, we can, yeah. Just if something exciting is happening at the

2965
03:32:38,755 --> 03:32:42,665
airport, that'd be great. Absolutely. I'd like to suggest then that we're taking this

2966
03:32:42,955 --> 03:32:46,955
one right here related to the addison airport 2.5 and moving it immediately underneath that

2967
03:32:47,115 --> 03:32:50,635
seventh. Yeah. So it area and then work on drafting

2968
03:32:51,245 --> 03:32:54,965
additional strategic objectives underneath that. Is, is it acceptable

2969
03:32:55,425 --> 03:32:59,425
to move this? I think there, yeah. And I mean I think there's a clear one that marlon mentioned. It

2970
03:32:59,645 --> 03:33:03,605
was complete the airport master plan that will be certainly a strategic, you know, strategic objective.

2971
03:33:04,115 --> 03:33:07,985
okay. Complete the airport master plan. Yeah. Okay. And

2972
03:33:08,325 --> 03:33:12,085
right there, that's not dissimilar to number four, which is we've got two under

2973
03:33:12,365 --> 03:33:16,205
it as a starting condition, which gives us a place to start the discussion from as

2974
03:33:16,405 --> 03:33:20,225
it comes to the airport and, and how we're valuing it or what we're

2975
03:33:20,425 --> 03:33:24,175
doing with it as a focus area. One more time. I'm sorry, could

2976
03:33:24,455 --> 03:33:28,295
you repeat that? What I was saying is that we're, we're not being inconsistent. We've got number four, it's got two

2977
03:33:28,735 --> 03:33:32,575
strategic objectives under it. We've got the airport now that has two strategic objectives under it. And so we've

2978
03:33:32,815 --> 03:33:36,695
got complete the airport master plan and then this one that we had here, which is leverage the add

2979
03:33:37,075 --> 03:33:40,765
addison airport. Those two feel like strong starts in terms of

2980
03:33:41,205 --> 03:33:45,125
strategic objectives for the airport in general. Yeah. Yeah, definitely in the master

2981
03:33:45,465 --> 03:33:49,385
hub transportation hub. I mean, wouldn't that fit up underneath the it

2982
03:33:49,605 --> 03:33:52,765
is partially, but, but transportation not just the airport. It so

2983
03:33:53,905 --> 03:33:57,385
it, it's connected to that. Yeah. Yep. Yep.

2984
03:33:58,785 --> 03:34:02,765
if we're, okay, I'd like to hit the pause button here and let's try printing out what we've come

2985
03:34:02,925 --> 03:34:06,625
up with here and have a just a moment to read it and react. Yes sir. So

2986
03:34:07,815 --> 03:34:11,605
initiative 5.26, like I'm trying to, I'm, I'm having a hard time

2987
03:34:13,045 --> 03:34:17,045
figuring out where that 5.2 3 6 6, 5 0.26.

2988
03:34:17,945 --> 03:34:21,925
you're, you're, you're looking at a sub-bullet. You're looking at an initiative, you're looking at the initiative level

2989
03:34:22,205 --> 03:34:26,125
initiative. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I mean we're, I don't have the initiative levels up here. Yep. What I'm getting at is

2990
03:34:26,325 --> 03:34:30,245
sustainability. I know we had a really good conversation on that last year. Yep. And I feel like we haven't

2991
03:34:30,445 --> 03:34:34,445
really done much. So. Yep. I

2992
03:34:34,565 --> 03:34:38,445
mean, I would like to bring forward more sustainable efforts. I think it can

2993
03:34:38,645 --> 03:34:42,485
be part of our brand. I think it attracts people to the town. I don't know where all

2994
03:34:42,685 --> 03:34:46,395
that fits in. Again, we haven't done much from last year, but you'd

2995
03:34:46,745 --> 03:34:50,505
like to see the conversation on sustainability elevated and you'd like to see more progress made on those fronts

2996
03:34:50,885 --> 03:34:54,865
is that I would, in, in encapsulation, I would. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. And I know we've got a, an initiative

2997
03:34:55,325 --> 03:34:59,275
out there. I'm, I'm guessing it focus it, is it

2998
03:34:59,395 --> 03:35:02,955
falling under, well, if it's under five two, this one, organizational excellence.

2999
03:35:04,095 --> 03:35:08,035
yes. That's financial health and organizational excellence. It looks like if it's 5, 2, 6, that's

3000
03:35:08,315 --> 03:35:11,775
where you would have it at. It's right here. So I don't know how we get there. Um,

3001
03:35:12,505 --> 03:35:16,455
well that's an initiative, chris, so I assume that's certainly something we could probably put on the work session at

3002
03:35:16,675 --> 03:35:19,945
some point and get an update on where we're with that. Okay.

3003
03:35:21,165 --> 03:35:24,875
well, fair enough. I mean that's, I think if there's, so

3004
03:35:25,365 --> 03:35:28,895
that initiative we're gonna continue to do because it's on the plan. But if,

3005
03:35:29,605 --> 03:35:33,445
if your goal is to ask council if they want to elevate sustainability

3006
03:35:34,445 --> 03:35:38,325
to a strategic objective with more initiatives, I think this is the time. If that's what, not

3007
03:35:38,545 --> 03:35:42,025
trying to put words in your mouth, but if that's what you're trying to do, I think that would be maybe a way to ask council.

3008
03:35:43,215 --> 03:35:46,285
yeah. I do think there are some things that we can do, um,

3009
03:35:47,405 --> 03:35:50,105
to improve on what we're doing. You know, uh, you know,

3010
03:35:51,505 --> 03:35:55,455
we've got plenty of older or multi-family properties that

3011
03:35:55,655 --> 03:35:59,265
don't recycle at all. I know we had years ago looked

3012
03:35:59,755 --> 03:36:03,575
into some pilot programs to see if we could

3013
03:36:04,445 --> 03:36:07,615
offer that and that kind of fell along the wayside. Um,

3014
03:36:08,495 --> 03:36:12,065
you know, I I, I don't know if we recycle in every single town

3015
03:36:12,555 --> 03:36:15,805
building, but I'd like to make sure that we are, um,

3016
03:36:16,925 --> 03:36:20,705
you know, I, I just, I know we talked about last year had a, had a decent conversation

3017
03:36:21,965 --> 03:36:25,845
and I'd like just to maybe take the pulse of everyone and see if there's any concern or

3018
03:36:26,065 --> 03:36:29,815
would like to elevate that. I I would, but where would it go? Under

3019
03:36:30,165 --> 03:36:33,845
what? Kfai know, I, I guess that's why I'm asking.

3020
03:36:34,245 --> 03:36:37,985
I mean, the fact, fact that it's just an initiative right now. I mean, I I, I'm,

3021
03:36:38,305 --> 03:36:41,765
I'm good with that, but I wanna do more than just have it

3022
03:36:42,465 --> 03:36:45,685
as an initiative. I, I would love to just see what we can do,

3023
03:36:46,975 --> 03:36:50,855
you know, as a council, um, to maybe elevate that a bit. So, so

3024
03:36:51,075 --> 03:36:54,505
if it were a strategic objective, would you put it under five?

3025
03:36:55,705 --> 03:36:59,675
like organizational excellence or, or what? Um, well, that's where it is,

3026
03:36:59,755 --> 03:37:03,475
right? That's where it is right now. There we've, we've got one that just says elevate potential opportunities

3027
03:37:03,975 --> 03:37:07,955
to improve the waste and recycling contract at the town. And that's an initiative,

3028
03:37:08,235 --> 03:37:12,145
right? That's right. Yeah. And so, so you're talking about elevating

3029
03:37:12,755 --> 03:37:16,275
something, sustainability, uh, as a strategic objective

3030
03:37:16,795 --> 03:37:20,335
objective under five, right? I'm just trying to understand the thought.

3031
03:37:21,075 --> 03:37:24,935
yes, yes. So, okay. So what, how would you word that

3032
03:37:25,905 --> 03:37:29,865
sustainability, um, focus on sustainability? Um, improve sustainability?

3033
03:37:30,965 --> 03:37:34,965
something, something broad? Um, yeah, I think so because, yeah, because

3034
03:37:35,945 --> 03:37:39,535
I'm not a hundred percent sure what that would look like. There's probably some low hanging fruit,

3035
03:37:40,035 --> 03:37:43,725
like trying to find a way to get some of our multi-family properties that aren't

3036
03:37:44,395 --> 03:37:47,605
recycling to recycle. Uh, what about improved sustainability

3037
03:37:48,595 --> 03:37:52,565
options? I think that's a good, I mean, I'm just spit balling here. I'm, yeah, I've

3038
03:37:52,805 --> 03:37:56,745
got a better idea. Choose your efforts. Efforts,

3039
03:37:57,395 --> 03:38:01,295
I think is a better word. Yeah. Efforts. Yeah. Okay. If, if

3040
03:38:01,515 --> 03:38:05,435
you were talking about trying to get people to recycle and things that we already have going,

3041
03:38:06,595 --> 03:38:10,515
I absolutely agree. And I, I almost would think that would be

3042
03:38:10,635 --> 03:38:14,285
just direction to staff to say, start recycling at, at our facilities

3043
03:38:15,135 --> 03:38:19,115
and, uh, approach apartments with it. If you are talking about

3044
03:38:19,545 --> 03:38:23,475
this sustainability in the way of we're going to increase,

3045
03:38:24,615 --> 03:38:28,475
uh, uh, building codes that we're builders have to start,

3046
03:38:29,215 --> 03:38:32,465
uh, building at a higher level in, in expense,

3047
03:38:33,895 --> 03:38:37,755
uh, um, and getting rid of cars because they have

3048
03:38:38,195 --> 03:38:42,075
emissions. I would be absolutely opposed to any of those efforts. But if you're

3049
03:38:42,315 --> 03:38:46,205
talking about simple recycling efforts or picking up trash

3050
03:38:46,555 --> 03:38:50,475
efforts, things that we already have in place and

3051
03:38:50,695 --> 03:38:54,695
we're just trying to encourage people to use. There you go. You have a, you don't have a

3052
03:38:54,815 --> 03:38:58,735
bigger fan than yeah, that exactly what I'm saying. But I don't want to impose upon our businesses

3053
03:39:00,045 --> 03:39:04,045
that they have to meet these higher no, I would, and I would never do that. I never, I've

3054
03:39:04,335 --> 03:39:08,255
never want to you increase the cost of doing business in addison. But I would like to know, I

3055
03:39:08,375 --> 03:39:12,375
think that's a great point. Do all of our office towers recycle? Do they offer,

3056
03:39:12,955 --> 03:39:16,935
is there something really simple we could do to allow them to do that? Do we have commercial

3057
03:39:18,055 --> 03:39:22,055
entities in town that might have a product that they're throwing in a dumpster that we might be able

3058
03:39:22,175 --> 03:39:26,055
to help them recycle? I I, I'd like to know that like all the restaurants

3059
03:39:26,335 --> 03:39:30,125
we have, I was just gonna, there's a way to reduce waste in some of the restaurants. Some

3060
03:39:30,575 --> 03:39:32,995
restaurants have ling. If we, what if we added 5.6

3061
03:39:35,325 --> 03:39:39,205
improved sustainability options, efforts or efforts? Efforts. Pardon?

3062
03:39:39,725 --> 03:39:43,535
I efforts said options. Just one.

3063
03:39:44,175 --> 03:39:47,965
'cause obviously great conversation, but you're most mainly focused on recycling.

3064
03:39:49,145 --> 03:39:53,085
sustainability can be a loaded term for some folks. Would you be okay with just

3065
03:39:53,205 --> 03:39:57,165
saying recycling or do you want to keep it maybe where other things could fit in with, I guess that's

3066
03:39:57,445 --> 03:40:01,385
where sustainability is what triggered me. Yeah. I guess that's just where I'm

3067
03:40:01,765 --> 03:40:04,565
challenged. I, you know, yes, recycling is part of sustainability.

3068
03:40:06,025 --> 03:40:09,685
um, I just don't know what else is out there. I was trying to, and, and we can, and we can,

3069
03:40:10,185 --> 03:40:13,835
we can start by saying, hey, let, let's try to improve

3070
03:40:14,325 --> 03:40:18,275
our recycling efforts and then see what steps come, pops up next baby

3071
03:40:18,565 --> 03:40:21,705
steps and say explore recycling sustainability.

3072
03:40:22,665 --> 03:40:26,605
sustainability is the slippery slope that then we start talking about in other

3073
03:40:26,765 --> 03:40:30,505
places of the world, trying to get rid of gas appliances and,

3074
03:40:30,905 --> 03:40:34,625
and, and putting different emission levels on

3075
03:40:35,085 --> 03:40:38,325
buildings and it starts stifling things. Yeah. And I don't, that's what triggered me.

3076
03:40:39,105 --> 03:40:42,965
if you are talking about the, the let baby steps. Somebody said

3077
03:40:43,125 --> 03:40:45,285
that. I said we can start doing that. Baby steps all supporting.

3078
03:40:47,525 --> 03:40:51,525
I think if we can start with one. Oh, sorry, I didn't mean to, yeah, I just want, want to kind of back

3079
03:40:51,685 --> 03:40:55,565
up just a little bit from that. Really good, good, good discussion. And

3080
03:40:55,765 --> 03:40:58,645
and the idea is great and, and I like that we have the initiative here

3081
03:40:59,875 --> 03:41:03,815
for me. I don't, I don't, I don't see, I, I don't, I don't feel like that's important

3082
03:41:04,095 --> 03:41:07,865
for us to move that up as a strategic objective. Rather

3083
03:41:08,705 --> 03:41:12,675
we should, we, we could give staff direction to kind

3084
03:41:12,965 --> 03:41:16,925
of elevate this on their priority list because it's already here. I don't,

3085
03:41:17,205 --> 03:41:20,525
I I, I don't really see, if you look at that initiative, two, uh, 5, 2, 6,

3086
03:41:21,905 --> 03:41:25,285
um, it's, it's already there. You know, I mean, I just think we should

3087
03:41:26,095 --> 03:41:30,085
maybe just implement it at a, at a higher level or give it a higher priority.

3088
03:41:30,305 --> 03:41:33,875
that's just my thought on it. Or maybe just add to that initiative. Improve recycling

3089
03:41:34,675 --> 03:41:38,675
efforts. We could add other in, because I mean, I could,

3090
03:41:38,835 --> 03:41:42,795
I could I, let's support that. Yeah. Recycling efforts from initiative perspective. If we're getting some

3091
03:41:42,995 --> 03:41:46,945
reports back from staff on what's happening and we obviously want a little more visibility into

3092
03:41:47,235 --> 03:41:51,155
the topic. And if staff is coming back and reporting out on that as an initiative

3093
03:41:51,575 --> 03:41:55,315
to you, we would just like a better understanding what's happening. What are the impediments

3094
03:41:55,715 --> 03:41:59,635
that are created? And having worked in a number of communities, there's always impediments when it gets into that conversation. So it's

3095
03:41:59,835 --> 03:42:03,675
like, what can we do to remove barriers? What are the opportunities available? How can we enhance

3096
03:42:03,995 --> 03:42:07,895
what we're doing? We'd like a greater understanding of that. Does that help elevate it on this? And

3097
03:42:08,315 --> 03:42:12,235
I, I think part of what could be the future, it's a baby step

3098
03:42:12,535 --> 03:42:16,155
now, but let's take a look too at, you know, what are the other opportunities for enhancement

3099
03:42:16,635 --> 03:42:20,515
that create choices? 'cause it sounds like we're a choice based council, right?

3100
03:42:20,755 --> 03:42:24,555
we're not looking to mandate, we're looking to create opportunities for folks that might otherwise

3101
03:42:25,195 --> 03:42:29,195
prohibit it. Is that, yeah, that sounds good to me. Okay, so, so let's recognize that

3102
03:42:29,315 --> 03:42:33,205
that's an initiative that's important and we do need, need some more discussion on it. Yeah. And I would, but I probably would

3103
03:42:33,325 --> 03:42:36,995
like to change the initiative or at least add, improve recycling efforts. 'cause it gets into

3104
03:42:37,795 --> 03:42:40,755
improve the waste and recycling contract for the town,

3105
03:42:41,995 --> 03:42:45,845
including commercial recycling. Recycling. I think we can, I think we have two initiatives. I just,

3106
03:42:46,455 --> 03:42:49,845
we're gonna take this and I think based on this conversation we're gonna have multiple initiative related.

3107
03:42:50,605 --> 03:42:54,485
I agree. I appreciate good. Yeah. Yeah. Quick question, david. Um, like give quick

3108
03:42:54,725 --> 03:42:58,585
example to this point, and I, I should know this answer, but in our, in our own

3109
03:42:58,835 --> 03:43:02,605
city, in our own town parks, if I throw away a water bottle, I don't

3110
03:43:02,885 --> 03:43:06,325
remember if it says just, just a circular trash bin or it says recycling goes here

3111
03:43:06,905 --> 03:43:10,645
and the other half is waste it. It does. It has,

3112
03:43:10,915 --> 03:43:14,885
they they are there. They are there. I just, maybe I haven't paid attention to park or it should be a

3113
03:43:14,965 --> 03:43:18,915
trash you have, but maybe that's that effort he's talking about where you, every park

3114
03:43:19,265 --> 03:43:23,085
has a split trash can going forward space. Okay. Thank

3115
03:43:23,365 --> 03:43:26,885
you. Thank you guys. Okay. Thanks for raising that issue. Appreciate

3116
03:43:27,445 --> 03:43:31,275
that. 15. 15. Alright, so we're looking at 25

3117
03:43:31,595 --> 03:43:35,545
according to that, which means we're coming back at 40. After at 40 after we'll be reviewing what

3118
03:43:35,835 --> 03:43:37,065
we discussed today. Okay.

3119
03:43:41,115 --> 03:43:45,115
ha having to do with the airport that the big discussion we had on moving it

3120
03:43:45,335 --> 03:43:49,125
over to an objective here. I,

3121
03:43:50,225 --> 03:43:53,995
is that appropriate to have such a broad category

3122
03:43:54,265 --> 03:43:58,205
just airport in there? Uh, being, being that,

3123
03:43:58,585 --> 03:44:01,995
or is there a better way of saying that

3124
03:44:03,075 --> 03:44:06,705
other than airport? There's a better way of saying that other than airport.

3125
03:44:07,705 --> 03:44:11,255
I don't know off the top of my head what that might be, but it could be something like activate airport

3126
03:44:12,005 --> 03:44:15,865
or, you know, I think there's some additional phrasing you could throw

3127
03:44:16,095 --> 03:44:19,825
into that. I think it could be something where staff comes back and makes a recommendation

3128
03:44:20,385 --> 03:44:24,095
on how to rephrase the key focus areas so it's consistent with others in terms of that. Okay.

3129
03:44:24,445 --> 03:44:28,345
um, and we can do that through this process. Do you have any ideas

3130
03:44:28,625 --> 03:44:32,545
on that? Is there, is there a better way of saying that than an airport or? Well, I'm, I've been having

3131
03:44:32,665 --> 03:44:36,605
the same thoughts. I can't think of anything yet, but we are gonna have a work, so

3132
03:44:36,825 --> 03:44:40,805
we'll have a work session in february where we just touch base on this and then we'll adopt it at

3133
03:44:41,025 --> 03:44:44,905
the subsequent one. So maybe homework february. Right? We'll, we're gonna think about

3134
03:44:45,105 --> 03:44:49,085
it. I really like the fact that we're putting an emphasis and focusing on it, but

3135
03:44:49,305 --> 03:44:53,185
it just doesn't, you can suggest it feel right the way that that

3136
03:44:53,345 --> 03:44:57,125
was lifted for a moment. I was kind of saying public safety is similar, but public

3137
03:44:57,545 --> 03:45:01,535
safety also means, right. So as long as we can come back and address it and

3138
03:45:01,755 --> 03:45:05,355
have a, have a further conversation on, okay. I own at least like it changed to addison

3139
03:45:05,795 --> 03:45:08,765
airport. Correct? Yeah. Because it's not just airport

3140
03:45:10,005 --> 03:45:13,845
like a movie, isn't it? Right. And if it went to activate addison

3141
03:45:14,165 --> 03:45:18,125
airport, it turns into aaa. That's like a battery. But this sounds like a

3142
03:45:18,205 --> 03:45:22,085
credit rate or a car. Maybe not. Maybe not. Yeah. Yeah. So addison airport maybe is a

3143
03:45:22,445 --> 03:45:26,445
starting condition. We move it to that call, call that the, the kfa

3144
03:45:26,845 --> 03:45:30,605
for now and we can, as you said, maybe some homework is to think about a, a better

3145
03:45:31,045 --> 03:45:35,005
phrasing for that key focus area for that february 10th discussion. But, but having

3146
03:45:35,265 --> 03:45:39,085
it listed as an individual one, I mean, that's

3147
03:45:39,365 --> 03:45:43,325
not indicating to anyone that there's a problem. 'cause I don't think there's a problem with our

3148
03:45:43,445 --> 03:45:47,005
airport or management or running a public safety or, yeah. Uh, especially

3149
03:45:47,565 --> 03:45:51,525
there's that it's the high priority. Right? And, and we don't have, you know,

3150
03:45:52,745 --> 03:45:56,605
any other department or deal listed and I just don't want

3151
03:45:57,105 --> 03:46:00,585
the airport people to think, we think there's a problem with the airport either. So

3152
03:46:01,705 --> 03:46:04,785
anyway, further conversation would be appreciated on that. Yep.

3153
03:46:05,905 --> 03:46:08,895
thank you for that. How would we name it?

3154
03:46:09,965 --> 03:46:13,815
addison field? You know, no death. No. How about

3155
03:46:14,015 --> 03:46:16,095
addison runway? Addison air airport?

3156
03:46:18,285 --> 03:46:19,765
what step

3157
03:46:23,445 --> 03:46:23,865
say where you want.

3158
03:46:29,285 --> 03:46:29,285
thanks

3159
03:46:33,365 --> 03:46:33,365
tap

3160
03:46:37,535 --> 03:46:41,445
seems like it captured what we were I captured what we did. Yeah. Yeah. I like it. We're feeling it.

3161
03:46:41,985 --> 03:46:45,665
yep, yep, yep, yep,

3162
03:46:46,065 --> 03:46:49,735
yep. You try. How you gonna yy up through the last moment of the thing? We're

3163
03:46:50,085 --> 03:46:54,075
outta here. Yep, yep. I love it. But hey friends, if

3164
03:46:54,295 --> 03:46:57,195
we're there, then we are. Yep. Yep. Um,

3165
03:46:58,355 --> 03:47:02,255
so with that said, I wanna say thank you for the thoughtful discussion. I really enjoy

3166
03:47:02,855 --> 03:47:06,775
visiting this community that you all are leading here. It's always exceptional to come

3167
03:47:06,895 --> 03:47:10,895
back to addison and spend some time doing that. I look forward to some safer road crossings next time

3168
03:47:11,075 --> 03:47:14,855
I'm back in town. Just kidding. Just having some fun. Uh, and that, that was 'cause of the ice. That

3169
03:47:15,095 --> 03:47:19,005
was 'cause of the ice, you know, that's not it. He was like, that's right. Look

3170
03:47:19,295 --> 03:47:23,175
forward to recite. I don't wanna make it across the street on my third burger and beer. I just wanna make sure

3171
03:47:23,395 --> 03:47:26,615
I'm crossing safely. All right. He's listening. He's listening.

3172
03:47:27,475 --> 03:47:31,175
so with that said, that's my time with you all. I appreciate all your dedication today.

3173
03:47:31,495 --> 03:47:35,435
thanks for the thoughtful commentary and discussions. I really appreciated the one-on-ones, the survey, the

3174
03:47:35,655 --> 03:47:39,255
time and all of that. So thank you for that. I'm sorry I, before the end here,

3175
03:47:39,715 --> 03:47:43,695
uh, I wanted to discuss on council is, is this the time to do

3176
03:47:43,895 --> 03:47:47,415
this? Do we want to consider doing this in february? 'cause when I came on council,

3177
03:47:48,315 --> 03:47:51,575
we did this strategic planning right after election,

3178
03:47:52,445 --> 03:47:56,375
like in may and I had asked to to move it to this time. So when I thought every several

3179
03:47:56,775 --> 03:48:00,755
years, we should consider if it makes sense changing the

3180
03:48:00,975 --> 03:48:04,815
timing of this. Um, I like it now. He gives staff plenty

3181
03:48:05,175 --> 03:48:08,655
of time to, to prepare. Just wanted to throw that out there as a, any conversation

3182
03:48:10,035 --> 03:48:13,895
if anybody's really, I prefer this timing actually. Yeah. I prefer it. It gets

3183
03:48:14,365 --> 03:48:18,295
hard too compressed after election. Yeah, I would just provide some contact. I would tell

3184
03:48:18,455 --> 03:48:22,295
you every city in texas battles this because of our elections in may

3185
03:48:22,495 --> 03:48:25,935
and our budget in october or you know, in september as we're going through the budget process.

3186
03:48:27,025 --> 03:48:30,995
so the benefit of doing it now is it is in advance of the budget process

3187
03:48:31,625 --> 03:48:35,365
and it really helps us to guide that. But it also means we could have election turnover

3188
03:48:35,945 --> 03:48:39,805
in may, not just a few months after. The negative of doing it

3189
03:48:40,005 --> 03:48:43,945
in after the election is we're right in the middle of a budget. So you don't have a document that helps us guide the budget. So

3190
03:48:44,795 --> 03:48:48,005
there's no easy answer. So I think it is good periodically

3191
03:48:48,805 --> 03:48:52,765
to bring that question up to say, is this a time that works? Um, there's a lot

3192
03:48:52,845 --> 03:48:56,705
of benefits to doing it now, but there is that big drawback of, of the election. You know, the

3193
03:48:56,925 --> 03:49:00,735
one idea I had was, um, we could just push it

3194
03:49:00,935 --> 03:49:04,935
back maybe two weeks, something like that. And sometimes it would just

3195
03:49:05,095 --> 03:49:09,015
remove the question of, of the, the new counsel turnover, if any.

3196
03:49:09,795 --> 03:49:13,505
um, it's just a thought two weeks after,

3197
03:49:13,985 --> 03:49:17,855
after filing. Oh, that's about what, after half filing? After filing

3198
03:49:18,295 --> 03:49:21,725
deadline. It's about the same. We're do we'd doing it the same time a year. Roughly.

3199
03:49:22,555 --> 03:49:26,415
you still could have turnover. Well, I would, I would. You still could, but sometimes you'd know you're not and you'd take,

3200
03:49:26,595 --> 03:49:30,095
remove that question. Yeah. If it, I think if somebody's got it in their head that they're thinking about

3201
03:49:30,725 --> 03:49:34,095
running, that if it's important then they wanna be here, that they would be here.

3202
03:49:34,915 --> 03:49:38,725
uh, but most people don't come anyway. Yeah. And, and, and it's uh, it's

3203
03:49:39,015 --> 03:49:42,595
one thing to be in the room, but if you don't have a voice, it's just kind of, but

3204
03:49:43,145 --> 03:49:47,125
those are my thoughts. So if anybody's not, but they wouldn't have a voice anyway. Correct.

3205
03:49:48,745 --> 03:49:52,715
yeah. I like this time of year. Yeah. Before you get

3206
03:49:52,915 --> 03:49:56,615
too busy, right, everybody. Exactly. I'm out. It's february, I'm out. Yeah. So

3207
03:49:56,945 --> 03:50:00,465
good then. And I've said it before, it is hard when,

3208
03:50:01,175 --> 03:50:04,995
you know, especially if you raise your hand, you, you wanna be involved in

3209
03:50:05,195 --> 03:50:08,795
the town, you have to run an election, sometimes incur that expense,

3210
03:50:09,535 --> 03:50:13,515
and then you get on council and you don't have, you really don't, you didn't have a voice. You're

3211
03:50:13,875 --> 03:50:17,675
operating under a strategic plan where you, you didn't have a voice. You inherited it.

3212
03:50:18,055 --> 03:50:21,855
and, and we've talked about that before and I, I heard you everything that you just said. So

3213
03:50:22,235 --> 03:50:25,915
I mean, I don't know if I'm opposed to it, but I just thought I mentioned there is, there is

3214
03:50:26,525 --> 03:50:30,035
something to be said about pushing it back to after the election to give someone who

3215
03:50:30,825 --> 03:50:34,695
spent the money, spent the time getting elected, have a voice in that strategic plan their

3216
03:50:34,855 --> 03:50:38,175
first year. Well, and you know what though, chris, I think if somebody's

3217
03:50:39,085 --> 03:50:43,035
gets elected for the first time, and if you went to, to do this right after you

3218
03:50:43,195 --> 03:50:47,195
got elected, you, you'd be lost anyway. You, you, you'd be, you wouldn't

3219
03:50:47,435 --> 03:50:51,395
have that much input. So your voice might be kind of quiet for, for some

3220
03:50:51,555 --> 03:50:55,485
folks. Hunters, sometimes some folks might not. I wouldn't have known anything. Yeah, agree.

3221
03:50:56,075 --> 03:51:00,075
I mean, ma'am and I think it's a way better, I just thought I'd throw

3222
03:51:00,195 --> 03:51:04,175
that out there, that there is another side to it. But I, well, I came on to council, I was exactly in

3223
03:51:04,395 --> 03:51:08,155
that position. I didn't know anything yeah. About anything. And the o other effect

3224
03:51:08,555 --> 03:51:12,555
is like randy came on and he inherited a strategic plan that the

3225
03:51:12,755 --> 03:51:16,695
budget was coming up for and nothing to change. So a lot of questions and,

3226
03:51:16,915 --> 03:51:20,895
and you get to inherit something you may not have had any voice in. But, um,

3227
03:51:21,135 --> 03:51:25,125
coming on right after council is literally a waste of me being there. I I just,

3228
03:51:25,345 --> 03:51:29,325
uh, felt so uninformed, ineffective. So I I I'm in favor of having it now. I just

3229
03:51:29,405 --> 03:51:33,125
wanted to bring it up for con conversation. No, that's good. I like this for people

3230
03:51:33,565 --> 03:51:36,905
watching this at home and thinking about being on council or on one day,

3231
03:51:38,155 --> 03:51:41,625
I would highly encourage them to try to get involved in processes

3232
03:51:42,235 --> 03:51:46,075
like this. Correct. If only sitting in the room because there is a different

3233
03:51:46,385 --> 03:51:50,195
feel and you get more out of being in the room than you do watching on your

3234
03:51:50,635 --> 03:51:54,595
computer. Absolutely. As much as I appreciate them watching at home. Yeah. Yeah. It's a different feel.

3235
03:51:55,015 --> 03:51:58,955
and it's, it's, I I would highly encourage them to get involved in a lot of that stuff. Yeah. And, and this,

3236
03:51:59,095 --> 03:52:02,955
and doing it, you know, offsite like this. And, and it's a, it's a more comfortable

3237
03:52:03,395 --> 03:52:07,255
conversation and it is just discussion. I think it's really helpful. Yeah. But

3238
03:52:07,475 --> 03:52:11,355
yeah. You're hilarious person. Alright. Everybody good? I'm good.

3239
03:52:11,535 --> 03:52:15,335
we good? Alright. It is 1 55.

3240
03:52:15,975 --> 03:52:19,075
we are everybody. Thanks. Are we.