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Gentlemen, I would like to call the seedlings meeting of the Fairview municipal, yeah, fairview municipal advisory council to order, and that's to this.

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May we may we have the roll

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council council member farmer, here council member Higgins, vise chair roads here chair filled in here we have a quorum.

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Thank you.

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We will now.

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You need to turn that off please.

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How about now?

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All right.

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Can we all please stand for the pledge of allegiance?

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Still good.

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All right.

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Good job, Ashley.

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Ready?

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Again.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag.

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The United States of America.

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now like to open for public comment.

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Jimmy, dang.

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Oh, I'm sorry. Hold on.

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I'm seeing none. Am I right? Seeing none. No, we have no public comments for the roll call in the pledge.

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All right. Seeing none, I will close public comment.

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So we have two forms of public comment one on what we just did.

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And then the next one on items that are not on the agenda.

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So now I'm going to open public comment for items that are not on the agenda.

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Okay, so our first speaker is Jimmy Dang.

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Hi.

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Thank you for allowing me to speak today.

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I just want to come and introduce myself to people who don't know who I am.

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My name is Jimmy Dang.

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I'm the general manager or a Loma sanitary district.

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I want to come and provide information about who we are.

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And just so that, you know, I left business cards on the table over there in case you guys have any questions about what we provide you and what we do provide you is your sewer service and also your garbage recycling the organic screen cart collection as well.

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last going on at the district recently we're going through elections now so we recently went from

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at large representation to districting that transition is happening currently lots of capital projects

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going on at the treatment plant you also see a lot of sewer line replacement projects in the

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streets and so just want to make sure I'm available to you guys and offer any assistance or answers

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any questions you guys may have again feel free to reach out my cards out there and so let's

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much. Thank you. Thank you very much. Rita Duncan.

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I'm Rita Duncan and good evening. I happened

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to be on the board for our former Secretary District and since we are now by district, I am representing

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District 5 which fair view is part of District 5 and wanted to let everyone know that I'm running

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and that I would appreciate your vote of it on the board since 2016 when I was appointed and

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running for real election and I have some suckers too. Anyway, you'll see my signs throughout

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the community. It says Rita Duncan for our Loma and on November the 3rd, I would hope that

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would consider voting for me. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Call her.

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You're on the line. We're on public comment. You have three minutes, Brenda?

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Yes. I wanted to have a public comment about public comments. The Brown Act is absolutely specifically clear.

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I'm public comments,

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there's some discretion, but should happen before and or during a board's consideration of the matter.

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Most California special agencies and commissions do a motion in a second by the board.

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Then they take additional public comments or they do the public comments clearly and make sure everybody gets to speak before.

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But the beauty of breaking your hand during the board's consideration is many times the motion has little or nothing to do with the presentation and it gets really confusing for us in the public.

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But there's a couple of things that are not changeable in the Brown Act.

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And public input is priority and should not be disallowed.

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It should always be before and during board consideration.

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Some max of do with that way and it's very fair for us to put our hand up and it's really hard when we're not recognized.

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We might have something to say.

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but please represent the public and in what you do,

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make sure you always take public comment before,

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and if you can, if there's any question in your deliberation,

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recognize hands that might be up to clarify something.

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So I appreciate it, or Google,

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Brian Act and California,

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and you can read all this yourself.

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You don't have to hear from me.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Call her, you're on the line for a public comment.

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Hi, good evening.

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This is CHP Officer, Jen Papstein, apologize that I am not there in person.

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I was out on the road and had to log in from my phone.

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I just wanted to check in and let you know that CHP is continuing to be proactive in the fair

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review area.

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In August, we issued 20 traffic citations and took 10 non-injury crashes.

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There were no injury crashes reported or that we responded to, and we arrested one DUI driver.

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There were no misdemeanor arrests and no stolen vehicles recovered through our department in the Fairview area.

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Some passive in, I'd like to mention, was national night out.

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We did have officers drive through the area, but no one pointed out that there was any neighborhood gathering.

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So next year, if anyone's planning a neighborhood gathering, we'd love to hear about it and have an officer come say hi to you.

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Some ongoing enforcement that we're doing is continuing our regional side-show enforcement task force, trying to prevent side-to-activity in the Southern Alameda County area.

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and lately our focus has been on school zones making sure that the pedestrians are safe and

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drivers are obeying the traffic laws and there's no collisions occurring at school pick up and drop off.

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Some upcoming events that we have this Saturday this weekend on September 5th from 9 a.m. to 2 o'clock

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there's a car seat checkup event at our office here. If you know anyone who has a young

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child and that rides in a car seat, please contact our office to schedule an appointment to have

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that car seat installed properly. Car seats definitely help save lives and we want to make sure

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that all of our children are safe while riding in motor vehicles. We also have our holiday enforcement

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period coming up on this weekend, Labor Day weekend, starting September 4th through September 8th.

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We're going to have a lot of officers out patrolling, making sure that everyone is getting to their

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destination safely. Upcoming education on September 17th here at our CHP Hayward office at 6 o'clock

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PM. We're going to have our start smart class for our youth between the ages of 15 and 21.

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you can call our office to schedule a spot to have a teenager, get some information on how to be

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safe while driving. And September is California Pedestrian Safety Month. The CHP is raising awareness

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about the risks to pedestrians on the road and the importance of ensuring safe travel for pedestrians.

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As a pedestrian, you can't expect or what you should be able to, but we just want to make sure

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that you're safe and paying attention to vehicles on the road and safely crossing the street.

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As always, I'll take some traffic complaints. You can email us at 345 reckless driving at CHP.ca.gov or call our office at 510-489-150.

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Thank you. Have a good meeting.

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Thank you so much.

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Caller, you're on the lawn. You have three minutes, Ali.

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Good evening. Fairview and Mac. This is Ali Aversut, the planning department. I'm sorry that I can't be there in person this evening.

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I wanted to dial in to invite the neck members and the wider fair view community to participate in a community wide urban forest planning workshop that our department is hosting on September 29th from 530 to 7pm at the San Lorenzo library.

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So, this is going to be the first of four community workshops over the next couple of years about the

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unincorporated urban forest plan, which I spoke to your committee about a couple of months ago, I believe.

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And this is a plan that our department is just now beginning to work on with funding from Cal Fire.

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So, this first meeting will be an opportunity to learn about the unincorporated urban forest

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generally and the county's urban forestry goals and how this unincorporated urban forest plan that

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were developing can help the county meet those goals. So again, that meeting is September 29

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from 530 to 7pm at the San Lorenzo Library. You can show up without registering or if you'd like

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to register in advance, you can do that at our website. The link is at www.acgov.org slash cda slash

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planning slash trees-links.htm and I know that's a really long URL so Ashley has also been

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so kind as to put some flyers about the workshop with the registration link on the back

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table and those are two-sided and English and Spanish. If you are unable to attend the workshop

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you can actually use that same link that's on the flyer to take a survey which is open now

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through the end of the month and this is the place where you can tell us about your priorities related

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to trees in the unincorporated areas.

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So we definitely encourage you to do both.

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Attend the workshop and take the survey if you're able.

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So thanks so much for your time and we hope you'll consider attending.

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If you have any questions at all, my email is Allison,

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ALISON.abbers, baby, B-O-R-S at acgov.org.

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And my number is 510-6705428.

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Thanks.

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I have no other speakers for public comment.

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Since we have no more speakers for public comment, public comment is now closed.

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Now we're going to take a look at approving the minutes.

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Let's see.

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We have two sets of minutes to be approved.

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I believe.

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Just just just turn.

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That is the first one is for know what?

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And we approved the just July, did we approve, did we do June, I

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thought it said in these minutes that the June ones were, just a minute,

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or are they here, I have too much, I'm not supposed to say that you don't want to hear that,

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we continued the approval of June fourth, minutes to the next meeting, is what it says here in the minutes for

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That is, actually, that is what I thought I remembered, but I don't happen to have a copy

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of those minutes currently. Yeah, I am going to look at your previous at the June meeting to

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see if anything you can approve the minutes that are in front of you and then at your next meeting

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we can bring back any unapproved minutes. Okay, so the question is though if those June minutes

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We're in fact approved in this, these minutes need to be changed, but if they weren't approved, then it's right the way it is.

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Okay, give me, give me just a few minutes to look.

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If you'd like to move on to the regular calendar and then we can come back to this while I look with Tisa, we can do that.

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Okay, so, do I need to ask for a public comment around?

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No, you would just ask for public comment once you've taken up the minutes as an item.

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Okay. So we're going to delay the minutes until a little bit later in the meeting until we can confirm whether these minutes are correct on that particular point.

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All right. So here they are.

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Sorry. Why aren't I seeing?

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Here we go. I think this is fine.

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All right, the first item on the agenda is the affordable housing production policies update, inclusionary,

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zoning.

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This is an informational item, so we will not be voting.

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It is simply for information and the public and we will have an opportunity to ask questions.

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Good evening, though.

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Yes, if you'll just introduce yourself, that would be great.

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Thank you.

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Good evening council members. My name is Angelica Gonzales, the Assistant Planning Director with the

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Alameda County Community Development Agency in the Planning Department in the policy planning

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of research division. Thank you so much for taking the time to hear this side in this evening.

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The item before you is on the updates on affordable housing, production policies, specifically on

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inclusionary zoning and ministerial review update as well as the financial feasibility analysis.

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As mentioned, this is informational, and so with that, I'd like to invite the project manager,

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Olivia Ortiz, on getting us started with this presentation.

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Hi, everybody. I'm Olivia Ortiz. They, the planner three with the planning department.

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So, like Angelica said tonight, we're going to be talking about affordable housing production policies,

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inclusionaries owning a ministerial review update. Specifically, our lovely consultant, Rick,

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we'll be going on in a moment to walk you through our financial feasibility analysis. That was attached

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the agenda. But next slide, please. Real quickly just taking a step back on why we're looking

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at these specific policies and kind of the counties overall approach to thinking about affordable housing.

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We have, as you may know, document called the housing element. It was adopted by the board

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supervisors back at the end of 2024. So one of the reasons why we're looking at these specific policies

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is because the board adopted the program I believe six J that directs us to look at creating

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an inclusionary zoning policy program for unincorporated Alameda County. So that's one part and then

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Overall, there's kind of,

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sorry, I think about the way I say this, a affordable housing,

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I feel like I'm not speaking into this, Mike, affordable housing is sort of a approach

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that that makes too much sense, affordable housing is kind of approached by advocacy orgs

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and government agencies with like the three p framework that's thinking about protecting housing,

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protect that to the first P, preserving housing and producing housing. Our regional planning

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organization called the Metropolitan Transportation Commission slash association of Bay Area

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government, or MTCA bag, has this whole other policy. We're not going to talk about tonight

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called the transit oriented communities policy. It doesn't really apply to fair view specifically

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except for the housing policy component of it, that, again, go, kind of go through the three

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keys that I just went through. Those three keys, we are expected to have policies if we

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want to comply with the transit oriented communities policy that fall into each of the keys

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until we got some money from MTC Abag to look at the production policies and staff like two years ago

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thought inclusionary zoning and perhaps an expansion of the county's

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ministerial approval might make sense. So long when did, but we've been

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we've been thinking through this for a while and making our way here. And now

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our delightful consultant Rick of street level advisors is going to tell you

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about it. Next slide, please.

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Great. Thank you. I'm out.

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What the switch? Turn it. Yeah, look at that. There we go. Yeah.

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great. Thank you. Thanks for having me. I'm Rick Chocobus, my firm is

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On street level advisers, we work with cities and counties. Excuse me. All over the country, on housing policies, housing

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affordability, and how do we get housing built for everybody? We've been working with

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Alameda County, on inclusionary housing and ministerial approval policies for unincorporated

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Alameda County, and I just want to walk you quickly through what these policies are, what

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they might be structured. We don't have a specific proposal to share where sort of giving you the

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the framework that we're thinking about. And I'll tell you a little bit about the economic analysis

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that we did, and then we'll take questions. And so I'm just going to tell you enough to give you

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chance to think of good questions. So the first thing is inclusionary zoning. Inclusionary zoning

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is a type of local housing policy where we require builders of market rate housing to include

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some affordable units.

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When we say affordable units, we mean units that are set aside with an income cap.

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You have to earn less than a certain amount of money to qualify to live there.

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And with a rent cap or a price cap.

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So the rent has to be affordable to somebody at your income level or the sales price has

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to be affordable to somebody at your income level.

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And so we require some portion of the units in a new building or a new subdivision

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or a new townhouse development to be set aside as affordable.

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And we often allow other options, so if the developer prefers not to have some units on

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site, sometimes they can pay a fee to sort of opt out of the program, and then that fee

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gets put into with other money that the county has put into another affordable building somewhere

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else, and we still get affordable housing as a result.

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Sometimes there are other options like donating land or other ways of complying.

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And typically, this becomes part of the land use policy of the jurisdiction in a sort of

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an expectation across all new market rate development.

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Next slide, please.

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So you can see, just as this is kind of like illustrating the two different, most common options.

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And then one option, you have a new building in the little purple spot or the affordable units in the building.

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And the other option is developer pays a fee.

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The money goes into a trust fund and then gets

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invested in a building that's all affordable housing.

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And both of them result in affordable housing,

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they're slightly different outcome in terms of like

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what it looks like in the community.

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Excite.

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There are several hundred of these programs around the country.

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It's something that is common.

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But you'll notice when you look at the map that we have here,

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And it's most common in the high cost parts of the country on the coasts, right?

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This is a strategy that communities have used to respond to rapidly rising housing prices.

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And to try to ensure that there's at least some affordability that happens when we get new housing

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development. And so it's the places that have been most expensive that have been most likely to adopt these policies.

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And they're very different from one place to the next. There's not one model that's exactly the same everywhere.

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It's very much custom designed for the local market

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and the local community.

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And then in the Bay Area, this is very common.

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So the majority of jurisdictions in the Bay Area

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have an inclusionary housing policy of one kind or another.

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I think it's 75%.

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And many of them have been around for several decades

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and some of them are fairly new.

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But it's become a very widespread way

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for jurisdictions to meet the obligations

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that the state imposes on housing production and affordable housing production and it's very

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difficult to really meet the sort of rena requirements without having something like an

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inclusion or housing policy. Next slide.

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Ministerial approval is the other policy we're talking

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about at the same time and the county already has a limited program and what we're talking about here

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is possibly expanding the reach of that program and ministerial approval is just kind of a

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technical way of saying, writing the rules for approval of new developments in advance and then

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having the staff in the planning department review for compliance rather than having a

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public process with a lot of hearings around each building.

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And so what that does is it gives you an opportunity to be clear up front about what the rules

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are and it gives the developers the ability to feel like if their project is going to meet

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of the rules who's set set out, it will get approved on a timeline that's, you know, predictable.

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And so it takes some of the uncertainty out of the development process. And that's valuable to

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with all.

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So what we're talking about in this context is offering that, as an incentive, only for projects that provide affordable housing.

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Right? So if you're providing more deeply affordable housing, you can have a streamlined approval process for your new development.

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As long as it meets all the rules that we've set out in advance.

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And when you do it that way, one of the benefits for the developer is that the project is then exempt from sequa.

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They still have to comply with the plans that were, you know, went through the SQL process,

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but each individual project doesn't have to go through SQL because it's ministerially approved,

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approved by, you know, administratively rather than through a public body.

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So just to kind of highlight the benefits, what we're talking about is a way to generate affordable housing,

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and meet those rena obligations where the county has to provide a certain number of units at each income level.

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And so this is sort of how we go about achieving those goals, and we're able to do it without coming up with new tax money from the voters in Elameda County, where piggybacking on development that might happen.

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It's something that you already have in your housing elements, so we're being consistent, we're implementing the housing element, you've already adopted.

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And one of the benefits is we get a little more economic integration when new developments happen.

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It's really common for them to be very expensive.

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And for the people that are moving in to be, in some sense, like, you know, they're paying a lot more than people who've already lived in the community.

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And so an inclusionary policy can create a way to have a more economically integrated community.

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We're not all high-end or low-end housing.

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It's mixed.

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The in Luffy's, if we collect them, can also be a really important way for the county to leverage other money.

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So when we get those fees, yeah, we don't get units on site, but sometimes we're able to use that money to get state money and federal money so that we can build even more affordable housing.

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And so those fees can be really valuable.

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And then lastly, adopting this policy brings the incorporating county in line with the rest of the bay area.

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So it makes it more similar to the other jurisdictions, which may or may not be a valuable goal in and of itself, but it sort of makes it easier for the development community to sort of say, oh, this is how it works everywhere.

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Just to kind of reiterate a couple of the goals of the specific, as we've been, we've been collecting information, doing financial analysis, looking at the plans and the existing policies and the development that's happened in the Unincorporated County.

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and we sort of articulated a set of goals that we think are sort of the framework for how you might think about adopting these two policies and the first is to try to incentivize both market rate and affordable housing production.

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One thing you'll notice about inclusionary housing is that we don't get any affordable housing unless we also get market rate housing.

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It doesn't work. We can't require affordable housing if they're not building market rate housing.

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So we have to we have to make a policy that works both to produce more market rate housing and to produce more affordable housing.

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The depth of affordability is one of the big differences between different jurisdictions and I'll show you that in a second.

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But for unincorporated alley meeting county, we think it's important to sort of target more deeply affordable housing.

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rents that are going to be lower than some of the other programs and some of the other places

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in the region, just to fit with the market need here. We're also thinking that it's important

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to prioritize rental production, like building new rental housing and trying to get onsite rental

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housing through the program and to try to design the program so it's not to get in the way of rental

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housing production which is a little harder to do right now and we're wanting to make it

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so that you can adopt something now and this is not actually the optimal time as I'll

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tell you in a minute but to set it up so that it's possible for the county to sort of check

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this off its list right now even though the market is changing and there's some details that

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actually are difficult to set in place right now. We want to create a way for the county to monitor

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the payment of in Luffy's and the expenditure of in Luffy's, because sometimes those fees have not always been accounted for as well as you might want.

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And so people feel like they can see the affordable units when they're built in a building, but they don't know what happens to the fees.

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So we're trying to design that in from the start so that you can as community members hold the county accountable for delivering the housing that the policy is supposed to deliver.

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We're trying to design the program so that it qualifies for the TOC policy that Olivia was talking about with the MTC.

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See, they're wanting a set of policies to sort of fit a framework that they've laid out and it seems like we can do that here.

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And then last we're wanting to let the data about what the needs are and the opportunities are here drive the design of the policy.

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So, next slide.

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Let me just say a little bit about the economics and I think you got more information in your packet, but at the very high level there's a couple of really important things to notice.

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The first is this chart shows the affordable rents for a rental project and you know in affordable housing we do all the rents all the affordability is percent of area median income.

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So there's an area median income.

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It's the typical average income for a household. It's different for each household size and then we calculate what the rent is that's affordable to that sort of median level.

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And then a more affordable rent is some percentage of that.

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So like 80% of median is a little bit below average 50%

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of median is half of the average, right?

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So the blue bars are the rents that are affordable

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for studios one and two bedrooms for 50% of median income.

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And the orange bars are 60.

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The gray bars are 80% of median.

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And then that yellow bar on the side is,

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What we think the current rent is basically in Castro Valley

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for a newly constructed building.

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And so what you'll see here is that the rents at 80% of AMI

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are actually above the current market.

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Does that make sense?

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So would be challenging for the county to adopt a policy

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that said we're going to require 80% of AMI affordable units.

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So you'll see a lot of the other jurisdictions

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in the Bay Area, that's exactly what they require.

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So, your market rents are already more affordable than some of the affordable housing and some of the other parts of the Bay Area.

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But this is the same chart but for ownership, and it looks really different, right?

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So, the blue chart is the sales price is now that it's 80% of median income, and then the orange is 100 and the grey is 120% of median income.

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So those people are above average in their earnings, but the yellow bars are assumed sales

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prices for newly constructed for sale units.

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And what you see is those are actually well above the affordable prices.

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So you have a situation where the rents are fairly low relative to the affordability targets,

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but the sales prices are not.

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And that says it's going to be easier to implement a requirement that there be a affordable

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for sale units than rental units.

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Next slide, and I'm happy to take questions about that.

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I know it's a lot of math.

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So we did a detailed financial feasibility analysis.

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We looked at several different types of projects.

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We interviewed real estate developers and a realtor's and others that are working in

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community. And we compiled sort of a snapshot of what does it look like to try to build housing

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in unincorporated alimity county right now. It's difficult to do because unincorporated alimity

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county is not really one place. It's a lot of different markets. But nonetheless, we had to have

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something to work from. So we've constructed a model. We've constructed a model and then we used it

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tests, some assumptions about what would happen if you imposed these kind of affordable housing

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requirements.

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And so the first thing to say is, right now is a really challenging time.

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We found that rental housing, even with no affordable housing requirement, was mostly not

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feasible in unincorporated Alameda County right now.

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It doesn't pencil, you know, is what the developers say pencil.

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It doesn't rent for more than it would need to to pay for the cost of construction.

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today. It's likely that that will change, as the market changes, as interest rates change,

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as demand change, that has been cyclical, it will cycle again, but we don't have a crystal

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ball about when or how. So that makes it difficult to require affordable housing right now.

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On the ownership side, that's not the case. Right now you can build for sale housing and

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unincorporate del many county and get a price that covers your costs and what we found when

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looked at modest requirements for some affordable housing is that it's possible to require affordable

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housing and still have projects that work but it's sensitive if you require too much you could

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create a situation where the requirement was a reason why someone might not build and again we don't

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get any affordable housing if we set that requirement too high so that's what we were testing for

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How sensitive is the development economics to that requirement and we found there's

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It's room to have an affordable housing requirement but it has to be modest relative to the rest of the Bay Area, where prices are much higher.

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We found a big difference in how much it costs to set aside an affordable unit between rental and ownership, which says you probably should have two different rules for what you have to do for rental and what you have to do for ownership.

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And lastly, we found that ministerial approval

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could mean a lot of different things, depending on how it's designed.

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But it hasn't at least the potential to be significant

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to offer real savings to a developer.

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They can get their project approved faster,

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but also more reliably.

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There's less risk.

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And those things are valuable.

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They're not by themselves going to be enough

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to make affordable housing work when it otherwise wouldn't.

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What it looks like does is that you could use it to offset a portion of the cost of complying with inclusionary zoning requirements.

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And so if you put these two together, you probably can have a slightly more financially feasible package than if you just did requirements alone.

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So this is, I don't know if you can see this chart, but this is the inclusionary requirements for rental properties for other jurisdictions in the Bay area.

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and we've sort of selected at the Anatolian alamedic county.

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And what you'll see is that the requirements range

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from 6% in Hayward to 20% in Berkeley

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and Union City, and that the colors of the bars

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show that there's different income levels targeted

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by different programs.

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Our sense based on the economics study we did

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is that any policy for unincorporate alamedic county

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has to be at the low end of this spectrum.

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You can't require the same kind of affordability

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that they require in Berkeley, in unincorporated

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Alameda County, and so we're looking at options

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that are down at the low end

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where your requirements are relatively modest.

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Next slide.

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So just to give an example, Hayward requires 6% of affordable housing.

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So this is a 6% example for a rental project.

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If you had a 40 unit rental development,

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you built 40 apartments, and you

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That did you 6% affordable, and in this example, and this is not actually exactly Hayward's policy,

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but in this example, 6% at 60% of median income, that would mean you had to do 2 and a half units that were affordable.

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And so you know, you've got your head about the half unit, maybe you could choose to do 3,

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or maybe the policy would allow you to do 2 and pay a fee for that half a unit, right?

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And what you could imagine that you could have a policy that also said, well, if you used the

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ministerial approval process, you'd have to do two and a half units, but instead of it's

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60% of media, now they would be at 50%.

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So we get deeper affordability and exchange for the sort of streamlined approval process.

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That's just an example.

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This isn't specifically a proposal, but we're just trying to make it real so you can think

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about, like, how would this work in our community?

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Next slide.

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So this is the same thing for ownership.

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These are the requirements for ownership projects

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in other jurisdictions in Elameda County.

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And again, they range from six percent,

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all the way up to 20 percent,

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generally the income targets are higher for ownership.

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So there is high as 120 percent of median

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in some of the jurisdictions.

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And again, Hayward is at the lower end.

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And so we're suggesting here again that you would want to be at the lower end of this spectrum that you'd be closer to Hayward than Newark or Berkeley or Emeryville and next slide please.

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So here's an example for an ownership project, imagine a 16 unit townhouse development where you had a requirement that was 6% of the units at 100% of median income.

432
00:39:13,140 --> 00:39:15,120
So that would be one affordable unit.

433
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:20,640
So you'd build a 16 unit project and you'd set aside one unit at a hundred percent of median.

434
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:27,360
And at a hundred percent of median that'd be about a five hundred thousand dollar town hall for a three-bedroom town hall.

435
00:39:28,140 --> 00:39:34,560
So you'd have town homes that were closer to a million dollars and then one that was close to half a million dollars.

436
00:39:35,300 --> 00:39:40,960
And if you wanted to use the ministerial approval process and have streamlined permitting

437
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:46,520
The policy could, for example, require a lower affordability target, so 80% of median.

438
00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:50,340
So now the price would be more like $400,000 instead of $500.

439
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:54,120
And it would target a lower, you know, less well off-family.

440
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:55,720
So that's the idea.

441
00:39:57,240 --> 00:39:59,840
Again, this is just an example. There's not a final.

442
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:04,680
Proposal but just to sort of make it concrete. Next slide.

443
00:40:08,490 --> 00:40:11,330
So, just to sort of recap, we're suggesting

444
00:40:11,330 --> 00:40:18,430
that you would have an inclusionary zoning requirement that would apply to projects with 11 or more units.

445
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:24,250
So, you know, there's small enough projects that wouldn't have to bother with the headache of it, really.

446
00:40:24,250 --> 00:40:29,210
That you, we're suggesting that because of the weakness in the rental market right now,

447
00:40:29,530 --> 00:40:34,190
that you would have a, you'd have, the sport of surprises would adopt a requirement today,

448
00:40:34,510 --> 00:40:38,630
but the requirement wouldn't take effect right away. It would phase in over time.

449
00:40:38,910 --> 00:40:41,570
And you, you want to leave some time for the market to adjust.

450
00:40:42,090 --> 00:40:45,950
And if, at the time it was ready to phase in, the market still wasn't recovering,

451
00:40:46,170 --> 00:40:47,310
and you might want to delay it.

452
00:40:47,550 --> 00:40:51,770
But the idea is not to impose a requirement on a market that can't produce housing,

453
00:40:51,770 --> 00:41:11,830
But to give developers notice now that this requirement is coming so that as they're thinking about projects that they're not going to bring online for another couple of years they can put this into their math and they're financing and think about it and say, okay, we know we're going to eventually have to provide affordable units so we want the policy to be clear so there's a runway.

454
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:19,650
We're suggesting that you prioritize 50 and 60% of AMI for rental and 80 and 100% of AMI

455
00:41:19,650 --> 00:41:24,670
for ownership just based on where the market is in uncorporate delimity county right now.

456
00:41:25,510 --> 00:41:31,070
And that you tilt the requirements for ownership projects to pay the unloofium.

457
00:41:31,250 --> 00:41:38,450
What I mean by that is that the gap is really big between what the market prices and what

458
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:40,290
affordable prices for home ownership.

459
00:41:40,290 --> 00:41:47,550
And so you could possibly collect that money and cash and get more units if you spent the money.

460
00:41:47,870 --> 00:41:51,710
Whereas on rental, it won't be like that. You want the units on site.

461
00:41:52,170 --> 00:41:56,450
So we're suggesting that you make it a little bit easier or more attractive for developers

462
00:41:56,450 --> 00:42:02,450
of ownership projects to pay the fee. And a little bit less attractive for developers of rental projects to pay the fee.

463
00:42:03,470 --> 00:42:18,490
And then last we're suggesting as I showed that you use the ministerial approval as a sort of bonus incentive to help offset some of the cost of complying it all and also to make it possible for them to go a little bit further down the affordability spectrum.

464
00:42:19,170 --> 00:42:20,130
Next slide.

465
00:42:21,130 --> 00:42:22,890
I think that's my last slide. So back to Olivia.

466
00:42:24,250 --> 00:42:29,650
So that was a lot of information that kind of concludes the dense part of this presentation.

467
00:42:30,670 --> 00:42:37,910
This is our second stop on this road show last month we presented essentially the same thing to the Eaton Mac.

468
00:42:38,350 --> 00:42:42,550
We'll be in the same room in less than two weeks at the Caster Valley Mac.

469
00:42:43,010 --> 00:42:49,730
We hope to take all of your comments to the Planning Commission and unincorporated services at the end of September.

470
00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:56,550
and we will be taking all those comments to the board supervisors planning meeting in October

471
00:42:56,550 --> 00:43:01,870
fingers crossed tentative date to kind of present them whatever by thinking and receive additional

472
00:43:01,870 --> 00:43:08,190
direction from them on what direction this policy should go. We I guess didn't include too much

473
00:43:08,190 --> 00:43:14,770
for engagement work in this presentation but as some of you may know we have a ad hoc subcommittee

474
00:43:14,770 --> 00:43:22,890
So, um, we are hoping to gather our ad hoc subcommittee members again later this fall once we've gathered all the speed back, um,

475
00:43:23,250 --> 00:43:33,990
preliminary go over ordnance stuff with them and then we're hoping to do the whole road show all over again with a draft ordinance ideally by December if not in 2027.

476
00:43:35,250 --> 00:43:36,970
Um, next slide please.

477
00:43:37,750 --> 00:43:44,350
So, that is it. We would love all of your comments and questions. What you like, what you

478
00:43:44,350 --> 00:43:47,850
hate, what you want to tell us to tell the board. Thank you.

479
00:43:49,900 --> 00:43:53,300
All right. Thank you so much. I will

480
00:43:53,300 --> 00:43:56,120
start with Chris. You have questions.

481
00:43:58,830 --> 00:44:02,450
Wait a minute. You need to pull your mic around and turn it on.

482
00:44:03,650 --> 00:44:11,190
Yeah, just just a couple, you know, over this whole process,

483
00:44:13,730 --> 00:44:18,050
what about like some incentives

484
00:44:18,050 --> 00:44:28,800
to consider rehabbing older housing? Is that makes sense to put something in the policies

485
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:29,900
for that?

486
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:39,060
From an overall county like focus on housing, yes from the planning department with regards

487
00:44:39,060 --> 00:44:44,840
to like inclusionary zoning, I think it's a little separate though. I think like our colleagues

488
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,660
at the Housing and Community Development Department, that is kind of more of their focus by

489
00:44:49,660 --> 00:44:58,800
noting it. So thank you, Chris. So, and then, what do we lose in terms of public feedback

490
00:44:58,800 --> 00:44:59,980
with this minister?

491
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:18,240
General approval. What specifically is happening or not happening, that makes the project make economic sense.

492
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:32,220
Okay, so if I, you know, if this policy were adopted and I develop her, come forward with my 15 town homes wherever,

493
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:50,620
if I am not expected to go to the Eden Mac twice and then to the planning commission that's, you know, two months maybe at least of meetings that I'm not paying my architect and develop her.

494
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:56,940
I'm not the person to get into the nitty gritty of financing development, but my understanding

495
00:45:56,940 --> 00:46:02,920
is if you're in that line of work you take out money at the front at a very high interest level

496
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:10,960
and then you have to like backfill it as you develop. So you are saving money and very expensive

497
00:46:10,960 --> 00:46:17,860
interest by shortening the amount of time that you're like waiting to move forward with actual

498
00:46:17,860 --> 00:46:19,920
construction in the permitting process.

499
00:46:20,380 --> 00:46:23,600
Of course, I don't know if we talked about this this time around the

500
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:27,140
ministerial approval would that's only planning entitlements.

501
00:46:28,060 --> 00:46:32,620
So even if planning says, okay, thumbs up, matches everything it needs to in the

502
00:46:32,620 --> 00:46:35,900
plans, then of course they need to go to the building department and go through

503
00:46:35,900 --> 00:46:43,960
their whole process. So it's really trying to translate the shorter permitting

504
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:50,200
turn around time with planning into potentially saving the developer money, theoretically making

505
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:54,260
more developments more feasible, getting new housing and unincorporated.

506
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,220
That's my short answer, Rick has more.

507
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:06,720
I mean, you did the economics, but on the politics, the ideas that you have objective standards

508
00:47:06,720 --> 00:47:12,220
that are set in advance, and that you get all the public comment and feedback on the standards

509
00:47:12,220 --> 00:47:13,980
instead of getting it project by project,

510
00:47:14,060 --> 00:47:17,860
which is hard to do, but it's better in some sense.

511
00:47:18,040 --> 00:47:20,440
So you can say, we don't want this once and for all

512
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,460
and have it apply everywhere, instead of having

513
00:47:23,460 --> 00:47:25,000
a fight each individual building,

514
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:27,700
but it means you don't get the fight each individual building.

515
00:47:32,340 --> 00:47:35,200
So here's my concern with that.

516
00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:38,180
Of our experience here has been

517
00:47:38,180 --> 00:47:41,380
that developers bring these projects forward.

518
00:47:41,380 --> 00:47:49,420
And, you know, it's the staff passes it on like a, this is cool, everything's copacetic.

519
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:57,680
And we, as Laman, go through these projects and we find major holes, you know, we've found

520
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:09,180
at least three projects that had less than factual traffic studies, we've had projects that have

521
00:48:09,180 --> 00:48:20,560
This represented a red-nored soil studies, and this has gone all the way through the

522
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,220
approvals that it's coming to us,

523
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:31,100
and so, and these projects, none of them have ever

524
00:48:31,100 --> 00:48:39,160
been built and are coming back now, and we in the community are like, hold on, you know,

525
00:48:39,160 --> 00:49:04,700
This, you know, that I'm afraid to give that up, you know, I'm best just, what my, my feelings is we, we're dealing the, uh, the builders we're dealing with are, are, are lacking in ethics, you know, I hate to say that in a public meeting, but we,

526
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:07,160
you know,

527
00:49:07,860 --> 00:49:20,540
as a public, you know, and this is before the Mac, and laymen, if a layman can go through these things and duplicate and run through those calculations and find stuff

528
00:49:22,970 --> 00:49:24,010
that's not factual.

529
00:49:25,810 --> 00:49:38,590
What are we doing? We're going to create hazards that we're going to create, you know, and things we run into very common is material understatement of

530
00:49:40,070 --> 00:49:47,250
impermeable surfaces, okay? And those of us that live around creeks, we get to live with it, right?

531
00:49:50,790 --> 00:49:56,150
So, that's kind of where I'm coming from. So, that's enough out of me.

532
00:49:56,610 --> 00:49:57,730
Okay, thank you, Chris.

533
00:49:59,030 --> 00:49:59,510
Beth.

534
00:50:02,480 --> 00:50:11,780
I think what Chris is talking about is that there's fear that local control is given up.

535
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:27,340
When you do a large scale, this is rules that are pretty much unbendable, according to individual situations, that are brought up very often by local communities.

536
00:50:28,980 --> 00:50:34,240
And this is already been structured, new rules have been structured so that they're unassailable.

537
00:50:35,780 --> 00:50:39,400
I think you're going to come up with a lot of resistance to that.

538
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,600
Thank you, Beth. Vanessa.

539
00:50:49,550 --> 00:50:53,010
Thank you for the presentation to both of you or all three of you.

540
00:50:53,590 --> 00:50:59,430
And I'm going to be a little repetitive, but I want to really drive this home,

541
00:50:59,430 --> 00:51:06,120
especially for Rick, because I don't know how much history you know, but this board

542
00:51:07,350 --> 00:51:15,010
did not support this cycle, and one of the major sticking points was around ministerial review

543
00:51:15,590 --> 00:51:23,650
and I want to just kind of highlight that. I really appreciate tonight's framing around a

544
00:51:24,530 --> 00:51:30,870
because I speak for myself but I think a lot of the community doesn't object to having a

545
00:51:30,870 --> 00:51:36,390
affordable housing in our communities. I think that's a really valuable thing that we all see

546
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:37,870
that we want to cultivate.

547
00:51:40,410 --> 00:51:44,990
But as you pointed out in the studies, the market is not favorable

548
00:51:44,990 --> 00:51:56,450
in the moment. And so what I hear my understanding of this whole thing is the state wants us all to build

549
00:51:56,450 --> 00:52:03,370
more housing. And that's because we're in a housing crisis understood. The state doesn't care

550
00:52:03,370 --> 00:52:12,130
how we do it. The county wants to be able to access the money that we get from the state in order

551
00:52:12,130 --> 00:52:15,290
to make that housing, or to continue to get that money.

552
00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:17,790
And so the county is trying to figure out

553
00:52:17,790 --> 00:52:21,210
how to do that in a streamlined way.

554
00:52:21,930 --> 00:52:24,830
They look at a map, and they see a bunch of open space

555
00:52:24,830 --> 00:52:26,690
in the unincorporated areas.

556
00:52:27,470 --> 00:52:30,450
And they see that that is a place to put housing.

557
00:52:30,470 --> 00:52:32,250
And it makes sense.

558
00:52:33,210 --> 00:52:35,970
You're obviously going to butt up against a community

559
00:52:35,970 --> 00:52:40,110
that moved to this area because they value not

560
00:52:40,110 --> 00:52:47,990
being in a suburban or a more urban dense populated area.

561
00:52:48,530 --> 00:52:54,430
So that's like a value that people have in this area and why we moved out here.

562
00:52:55,010 --> 00:53:01,010
And so to Chris and I think to best point as well as like,

563
00:53:01,010 --> 00:53:06,850
I think we're recognizing that in this rough market,

564
00:53:06,850 --> 00:53:13,990
like the state has a mandate, the county's trying to satisfy it, and it's not optimal the market

565
00:53:13,990 --> 00:53:22,310
and so somebody's got to take a hit. Somebody's got to like figure it out. So what we're seeing

566
00:53:22,310 --> 00:53:29,150
in the community is, well we want to make it easy on the developers, and we already have a history

567
00:53:29,150 --> 00:53:36,070
of mistrust with the developers because just as Chris described, I don't need to repeat it.

568
00:53:37,450 --> 00:53:40,010
And it's been ugly over the years.

569
00:53:40,590 --> 00:53:44,870
And so when you all come to us and say,

570
00:53:44,870 --> 00:53:49,990
ministerial review, we're going to no longer come to you

571
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:52,950
and talk to you about this and take away your opportunity

572
00:53:52,950 --> 00:53:59,430
to review that with your professionals in this.

573
00:53:59,630 --> 00:54:01,890
But we at least take a look at it

574
00:54:01,890 --> 00:54:04,190
and really try to see whether or not it

575
00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:05,630
for our communities.

576
00:54:07,850 --> 00:54:11,230
And you're just going to say trust us it's going to be subjective and we're

577
00:54:11,230 --> 00:54:17,150
going to make it work and we really need to do this because otherwise the developers won't

578
00:54:17,150 --> 00:54:25,910
develop. That doesn't hit right with us. And I appreciate that you all have put together these meetings

579
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:31,350
with subcommittees. I know that you're getting community input I read in the report that you also

580
00:54:31,350 --> 00:54:36,490
got feedback from the developers and I'm hearing also that the developers aren't even like

581
00:54:36,490 --> 00:54:41,230
this isn't enough really, this isn't going to really work for us either. So I think from

582
00:54:41,230 --> 00:54:48,050
our perspective, we don't really want, if you're going to come to us and say this is our solution

583
00:54:48,050 --> 00:54:53,190
that we're just going to kind of grease the wheels for the developers, we don't, there's a lack of

584
00:54:53,190 --> 00:54:59,670
trust. And so we need to figure out, we need to know what does that mean? I mean to Chris's point.

585
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:15,100
What specifically are the rules that you all are going to put in place to say, aye, or nay to something, because from our perspective, developers, even before ministerial review, when it was coming to us, they wanted to push things through.

586
00:55:15,180 --> 00:55:28,220
They didn't have enough water pressure for fires. Didn't have, you know, there's these issues that happen in our community, and that's just really important. So I know there is no question in there, and I know I repeated some of my fellow board members.

587
00:55:28,220 --> 00:55:38,640
I apologize, but I just wanted to frame that so that everybody is on the same page of like I hope I'm sharing the sentiment of the community there.

588
00:55:41,590 --> 00:55:42,910
Okay, thank you so much.

589
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:51,150
I actually do have a series of questions and I think they're for Rick because I wrote them down during your part of the presentation.

590
00:55:51,150 --> 00:56:02,430
So, you mentioned affordable housing in terms of income level, and I'm wondering, currently,

591
00:56:02,770 --> 00:56:08,710
what is that income level that makes someone eligible for affordable housing, or is that

592
00:56:08,710 --> 00:56:10,290
going to be part of your plan?

593
00:56:11,230 --> 00:56:19,750
So, like the federal, HUD determines things, and then our state further, tweaks levels, and

594
00:56:19,750 --> 00:56:27,570
It's determined both by household size and like the percentage of the median income by household size.

595
00:56:27,710 --> 00:56:42,510
So the one I have memorized is right now in Alameda County for a family of four median income for 2026 is like 165,000 and it's on our website, it's on HCD's website.

596
00:56:42,650 --> 00:56:46,170
You could look at it for every county, so yeah, it's it's high.

597
00:56:46,170 --> 00:57:00,750
But for them what we're talking about for the rental, for example, would be half of that for family for or 60% of that for family for so still relatively high in combat, okay, yeah, yeah, okay

598
00:57:01,730 --> 00:57:03,470
So the fee option

599
00:57:04,650 --> 00:57:11,270
What I'm seeing is that none of the developers have to provide any affordable housing at all

600
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:17,190
they pay a fee and then the fee goes into some dark dungeon and nobody ever uses it for anything.

601
00:57:17,970 --> 00:57:19,590
So where's the affordable housing?

602
00:57:24,160 --> 00:57:26,220
Well, no, I mean it shouldn't be returned to developers.

603
00:57:28,300 --> 00:57:33,800
Is that it happened? I don't know. Sorry, I believe you're referring to the park fee, which

604
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:39,320
separate, heard. We are a cutely aware of what happened with the park fee.

605
00:57:40,800 --> 00:57:50,040
Our colleagues at the Housing and Community Development Department currently have among the many funds that they do run for affordable housing in an incorporated.

606
00:57:50,340 --> 00:57:56,300
The whole county, there is like an unincorporated specific fund. I don't know what's in it now.

607
00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:02,080
But right now we're internally talking about how this money would go to them. They have staff who do manage funds.

608
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:05,960
Okay, so actually I'm the one asking the question, sorry, Chris.

609
00:58:06,820 --> 00:58:17,920
So I want to know what happens to those fees and have there, can you point to some affordable housing units that have been built from fees?

610
00:58:17,960 --> 00:58:30,340
Because I've heard stories about fees now. It's not in the stories I've heard don't happen to be in an incorporated album need a county, but it's still I think probably the same program.

611
00:58:30,340 --> 00:58:41,540
I did a statewide study where we monitored what happened to the fees for, you know, 40 some jurisdictions around the state.

612
00:58:41,920 --> 00:58:47,460
And what we found is that there were, oh sorry, and what we found is that there were some jurisdictions that did exactly what you said.

613
00:58:47,620 --> 00:58:51,060
They collected the money and it sat in a trust fund and they never spent it.

614
00:58:51,080 --> 00:59:00,320
But the vast majority of jurisdictions and all of the Alamedic County, all of the Central Bayer jurisdictions collected the money took a little while and then they spent it.

615
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:06,040
And they spent it on the, you know, tax credit affordable housing, you know,

616
00:59:06,180 --> 00:59:10,300
like the nonprofit developed affordable housing developments.

617
00:59:11,020 --> 00:59:13,680
And those don't happen every single year, but you can point to them.

618
00:59:13,940 --> 00:59:20,340
And so the best practice and, and I would say the majority of Bay Area jurisdictions do this is that they

619
00:59:20,340 --> 00:59:24,080
publish on the city's website or the county's website.

620
00:59:24,480 --> 00:59:28,140
Here's the fees we collected and here's where we put them each year.

621
00:59:28,140 --> 00:59:34,540
So you can go on burglies or haywards or freemons, websites, and you can see where they put

622
00:59:34,540 --> 00:59:40,460
those dollars, and if a jurisdiction doesn't do that, you have a legitimate problem.

623
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,280
Like it's an accountability, it's a basic level of accountability.

624
00:59:44,900 --> 00:59:49,160
You need to be able to see where the fees go in order to feel good about this as a policy.

625
00:59:49,420 --> 00:59:55,780
So how do we find out who do we ask to see what's going on and unincorporated, animated

626
00:59:55,780 --> 00:59:56,200
county?

627
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:59,980
Our recommendation to the county is to put in the ordinance of the...

628
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,360
County adopts a requirement to provide that impermanent. So it just doesn't happen. It's not there yet.

629
01:00:05,840 --> 01:00:16,580
It's just, it should be drafted ordinance. So, but we're, we've, like I had that on that slide because we're aware that this is a key thing that you're going to need for a policy like this to work.

630
01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:22,620
Okay. And then on your map that shows the various jurisdictions.

631
01:00:22,620 --> 01:00:34,840
So Gray, the gray area that we're apparently they're not doing any of this affordable housing step, which counties are those.

632
01:00:35,160 --> 01:00:37,600
Solano's one of a lot of that be the only one.

633
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:44,720
Solano's the only county. Yes, I want to say it might be atherton or a similar jurisdiction on the peninsula.

634
01:00:44,980 --> 01:00:51,720
I think seven months ago the first time we came to you all to present this in December or January.

635
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:59,520
Um, I could afford this effort for it. I have it all listed out like every jurisdiction. It was okay. Yeah. All right. So where do I get that?

636
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:05,500
Um, I guess the, I can email it to you. That was not right. I'll do that tomorrow. Okay. Thank you.

637
01:01:06,100 --> 01:01:17,700
All right. Um, this is a great question. So yeah, I'm going to, this is going to be repetitious. And I guess it's not a question.

638
01:01:19,380 --> 01:01:23,440
You've made it really clear that this whole program is all about the developers.

639
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:25,180
You've made that really clear.

640
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:31,620
This is all about the developers and helping them to build without any sort of overview,

641
01:01:32,580 --> 01:01:37,300
except this sort of vague policy thing, and it gets approved anyway.

642
01:01:37,940 --> 01:01:42,340
And as far as us being able to do the math over the years, we've been doing the math.

643
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:44,660
And we are the ones that have caught things.

644
01:01:44,660 --> 01:01:51,740
I'm not saying this council, I'm saying the community, okay, fairview community and the people that live here.

645
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:59,500
So that's a given and it's a little frustrating because the whole reason that these

646
01:01:59,500 --> 01:02:08,600
max were set up was to bring in community involvement, to bring in community questions, concerns,

647
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:17,040
Yes, to our panel, so we could forward them on, but this now which is huge for fair view.

648
01:02:17,420 --> 01:02:23,200
I mean, fair view is about maintaining a lifestyle and it's just not happening.

649
01:02:23,300 --> 01:02:26,240
There was an ADU built up the street for me.

650
01:02:26,460 --> 01:02:30,520
It covered up the entire backyard of that house.

651
01:02:31,020 --> 01:02:33,980
That ADU is like three, well, I'm not going to exaggerate.

652
01:02:34,020 --> 01:02:37,500
Maybe five feet from the house on the next property.

653
01:02:38,320 --> 01:02:45,720
It's just, and we never saw it, I never knew it was being built and I'd just down the street until all the sudden there it is.

654
01:02:46,020 --> 01:02:50,680
I know it didn't come to our panel because I've been on this panel for a few years now.

655
01:02:51,260 --> 01:02:55,740
So that's what Fairview is about and what you've done is rip that away.

656
01:02:56,600 --> 01:02:58,520
Like why are we even here?

657
01:02:59,240 --> 01:03:02,960
Right? If the community can't express concerns that are real.

658
01:03:02,960 --> 01:03:06,660
So, okay off my soapbox, but clear,

659
01:03:09,060 --> 01:03:15,750
I asked you about in Luffy's, I don't need to care about that.

660
01:03:17,150 --> 01:03:21,190
Oh, yeah, various charts for Hayward and the different communities.

661
01:03:21,370 --> 01:03:22,970
Do you have those charts for Fairview?

662
01:03:24,930 --> 01:03:31,750
Sorry, can you, which specific, there are, you know, the Randall charts, the market affordable,

663
01:03:32,310 --> 01:03:36,130
rents, the sales prices for these various communities.

664
01:03:37,350 --> 01:03:39,050
Fairview is its own thing now.

665
01:03:39,150 --> 01:03:41,430
I mean, we put fairview on our address label.

666
01:03:42,090 --> 01:03:45,090
So do you have those numbers for fairview?

667
01:03:45,790 --> 01:03:46,390
So short answer.

668
01:03:47,050 --> 01:03:54,210
No, the charts later in the presentation that are talking about inclusionary zoning policies that exist.

669
01:03:54,550 --> 01:03:55,870
Fairview doesn't currently have one.

670
01:03:56,070 --> 01:03:57,910
So we couldn't put that on the chart.

671
01:03:58,170 --> 01:04:01,730
The one that I see you have open right now is based on

672
01:04:01,730 --> 01:04:07,590
faster valley, which is not even actually wanted to, when Greg mentioned that, I want, I was hoping

673
01:04:07,590 --> 01:04:14,130
you'd bring it up, so we can further explain, we provided the existence, like relevant development

674
01:04:14,130 --> 01:04:18,750
data from the past like four years, essentially, since the pandemic, when we started working with

675
01:04:18,750 --> 01:04:23,070
street level advisors, the reality is that Caster Valley has the strongest development market.

676
01:04:23,710 --> 01:04:30,510
Even if we wanted to do a fair view specific policy, since we are only looking, since it's policy,

677
01:04:30,510 --> 01:04:37,990
How we're talking about right now would only apply to developments of 11 units or more that doesn't include a to use because the state doesn't let you do that.

678
01:04:39,210 --> 01:04:43,990
There's just aren't relevant projects in recent history and fair view.

679
01:04:45,010 --> 01:04:46,450
That we would be able to pull from.

680
01:04:47,050 --> 01:04:57,030
So right now, no, because there just isn't a town home of 11 units or more, for example, that from recent development history to relate to.

681
01:04:57,650 --> 01:04:59,970
And one of the things that I've been asking over

682
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:13,000
And it kind of ties in a little bit about using older housing. And of course, what developer wants to rehab an older house, they don't. What sort of studies have been done about all of the vacant housing?

683
01:05:13,820 --> 01:05:19,100
You know, the vacant housing all over the Bay Area that are sometimes owned by people out of the country.

684
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:26,260
They just hold ownership of these houses for their own tax purposes. Do we really have a housing project?

685
01:05:26,260 --> 01:05:32,960
do we have a situation where people are holding houses hostage if you will? No one has responded

686
01:05:32,960 --> 01:05:39,400
to that with any sort of of an answer. You know, so I kind of question how much of a housing

687
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:45,640
problem we actually have and what about, what about, and I've asked this before in terms of a

688
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:51,780
affordable housing mobile home parks. You know, both my sister and my grandfather have lived in nice

689
01:05:51,780 --> 01:06:21,440
mobile home parks. They are not little, little trailer parks that, you know, or people have a really bad opinion of, but mobile home parks. You know, that's affordable housing for a lot of people that can afford to buy or rent in these markets. So where are those? Where are the mobile home parks? I don't know what else to call them, but they're nice. You know, there's no reason that they have to be looked down on those are nice housing.

690
01:06:22,300 --> 01:06:28,120
100%. I think of another word people use as manufactured housing development too. Yeah, and no,

691
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:32,760
I've learned through some of the mobile home advocates very cheap rent. Some people have

692
01:06:32,760 --> 01:06:37,800
depending on what it's incredible. Yeah, this specific policy we're talking about today doesn't

693
01:06:37,800 --> 01:06:42,940
happen to speak to those, but the county is for if people want to open them. They should only my sister

694
01:06:42,940 --> 01:06:51,040
owned her. She ran to the property is sat on, right? So, so why are we so bit anyway? I'd like to have that

695
01:06:51,040 --> 01:06:55,380
response to that. Because I think that's an honest question. It's, I'm not just

696
01:06:55,380 --> 01:07:00,960
jabbing in. I think that's an honest question about providing affordable housing in

697
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:06,900
our communities. And I've not heard any response to that. And I don't think we should

698
01:07:06,900 --> 01:07:13,820
be running headlong into the developer style developments without looking seriously at

699
01:07:13,820 --> 01:07:19,780
that affordable housing. If we're serious about helping low-income people, right?

700
01:07:20,480 --> 01:07:31,580
100%. No, I think, so on the surface with regards to the mobile home park, I don't know if somebody has come forward to the county, for example, asking to open a new one recently.

701
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:40,260
So that's part of that. We, we, even, our families, families, you know, put out incentives. Okay, note it.

702
01:07:40,260 --> 01:07:42,700
I think I can make a comment about that.

703
01:07:44,990 --> 01:07:51,810
Yes, some mobile home parts of being destroyed because the return for the owners of the property isn't high enough.

704
01:07:52,430 --> 01:08:01,210
So you're not going to see those kind of things developed unless those funds are taken and used to develop the property.

705
01:08:01,450 --> 01:08:05,130
But then you're going to have to decide who's going to be the owner of the property.

706
01:08:05,370 --> 01:08:07,850
It's going to be a nonprofit. It's going to be the county.

707
01:08:08,650 --> 01:08:11,590
You know, it's a little more involved than that.

708
01:08:11,590 --> 01:08:14,790
Now, I think somebody should look into it.

709
01:08:14,950 --> 01:08:17,370
I'd like to hear response on it.

710
01:08:17,730 --> 01:08:21,530
Okay, anything else from anybody else, Chris?

711
01:08:22,590 --> 01:08:27,350
So, this is a bit tangential, but it's important.

712
01:08:28,230 --> 01:08:31,750
So, why is Fairview in the Eden General Plan?

713
01:08:32,570 --> 01:08:36,010
Okay, Fairview got placed in the Eden General Plan

714
01:08:36,010 --> 01:08:40,330
without consultation to the community of Fairview

715
01:08:40,330 --> 01:08:49,170
without consultation to the community, you know, the Eden community. And, you know, a number of us

716
01:08:49,170 --> 01:08:59,810
have brought the topic up. I mean, the Eden General Plan, the Eden area is far more urban than

717
01:08:59,810 --> 01:09:08,290
fair view is. We are not contiguous in any way. I mean, it makes sense that fair view would

718
01:09:08,290 --> 01:09:18,530
It has to be under a general plan, and I've heard from the head of the planning department

719
01:09:18,530 --> 01:09:24,450
that, oh, well, that's not a problem because you've got a specific plan yet we have

720
01:09:24,450 --> 01:09:33,010
had developments that got approved because they said, oh, hey, this is a fair view silent

721
01:09:33,010 --> 01:09:41,870
on this so we can apply the less stringent requirements for space and setbacks and things like

722
01:09:41,870 --> 01:09:48,530
that in Eden. And that hurts us. And we

723
01:09:52,270 --> 01:09:58,170
need to bring this up. And it needs to be discussed

724
01:09:58,170 --> 01:09:59,430
at it.

725
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:09,260
For both communities, I mean, you should have, should be its own general plan or the probably

726
01:10:09,260 --> 01:10:16,880
it makes much more sense that it would be part of the Castro Valley general plan. But that's in my mind,

727
01:10:17,280 --> 01:10:25,140
but you know, I'm not an expert on those kind of things. Okay, thank you, Chris. I think I'd like to now open

728
01:10:25,140 --> 01:10:30,680
the floor for community public comment.

729
01:10:31,420 --> 01:10:32,620
Rita Duncan.

730
01:10:38,390 --> 01:10:43,450
I guess my first I'm good to tip that just tip it down a little bit.

731
01:10:46,810 --> 01:10:47,310
Okay.

732
01:10:48,230 --> 01:10:49,430
Thank you.

733
01:10:51,190 --> 01:10:53,070
This is near into your to my heart.

734
01:10:53,910 --> 01:10:55,450
So I guess I'm not clear.

735
01:10:55,790 --> 01:10:58,650
Well, what does TLC stand for?

736
01:10:58,810 --> 01:10:59,350
I'm sorry.

737
01:10:59,710 --> 01:11:00,130
I did not.

738
01:11:00,330 --> 01:11:01,170
I don't know.

739
01:11:08,530 --> 01:11:11,430
Okay, and then the other is.

740
01:11:11,610 --> 01:11:13,010
Is there has been any.

741
01:11:13,410 --> 01:11:13,670
Question.

742
01:11:13,950 --> 01:11:16,910
Or any community, a transit oriented community.

743
01:11:17,670 --> 01:11:17,850
Okay.

744
01:11:18,010 --> 01:11:18,390
Thank you.

745
01:11:18,810 --> 01:11:20,730
Has there been any.

746
01:11:21,210 --> 01:11:24,110
Studies that shows the correlation.

747
01:11:25,070 --> 01:11:26,330
Between the vacancies.

748
01:11:27,150 --> 01:11:28,950
Need it.

749
01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:29,850
An alamni county.

750
01:11:30,550 --> 01:11:31,530
And the.

751
01:11:32,530 --> 01:11:33,130
Income.

752
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,200
Okay, because when you say the average.

753
01:11:39,200 --> 01:11:50,320
I mean, a large percentage of the unhoused people in Elameda County, their income is not that high.

754
01:11:51,100 --> 01:12:01,140
And so I'm just wondering when you say the market is that considered that the market may be up here,

755
01:12:01,400 --> 01:12:06,000
but if people can't afford it, building these houses doesn't make any sense.

756
01:12:06,660 --> 01:12:35,140
And the last thing I want to say, particularly for Fairview, when developers are looking at our community, do they understand that there's only maybe two ways out of this community, which is a safety issue, and when you're talking about bringing more people in, it increases the safety hazard for us getting out.

757
01:12:35,140 --> 01:12:39,440
And then my last question is, is there any way that we can

758
01:12:39,760 --> 01:12:42,960
require more from these developers,

759
01:12:45,500 --> 01:12:48,740
you know, sending them back to the table,

760
01:12:49,640 --> 01:12:54,520
particularly around how much profit they may be making.

761
01:12:55,640 --> 01:12:56,460
Just like questions.

762
01:12:58,000 --> 01:12:59,520
Thank you.

763
01:13:00,140 --> 01:13:02,000
Kathy, Kathy Langley.

764
01:13:22,450 --> 01:13:31,250
Kathy Langley, Fairview, resident over 26 years. I want to thank our Mac members for their work.

765
01:13:33,650 --> 01:13:37,870
And my name is Kathy Langley, but you can call me Debbie Downer today.

766
01:13:41,660 --> 01:13:43,200
Everyone wants to live in California.

767
01:13:45,160 --> 01:13:47,220
Not everyone can afford to do so.

768
01:13:47,940 --> 01:13:55,260
If you're saying that it's low income at $165,000 a year,

769
01:13:55,260 --> 01:13:56,880
your delusional.

770
01:14:00,770 --> 01:14:06,890
California is too expensive. If you can't afford to live here, find somewhere else to live.

771
01:14:09,730 --> 01:14:17,750
No housing element. No state takeover of local authority in zoning matters.

772
01:14:18,850 --> 01:14:27,390
I moved here 26 years ago to live in a rural community and now you want to build apartment houses next to me.

773
01:14:27,390 --> 01:14:28,510
a

774
01:14:31,490 --> 01:14:39,730
affordable housing production policies initiative is eminent domain. That's what it is.

775
01:14:40,230 --> 01:14:46,110
And Alameda County is threatened by the state with fines. And that's what you all

776
01:14:46,110 --> 01:14:48,810
are doing as caving into them.

777
01:14:53,470 --> 01:14:53,470
Okay.

778
01:14:55,670 --> 01:14:59,570
Here's converting non-essential, non-residential.

779
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:22,240
Building into homes. The malls are dying. This is not about affordable housing at 165,000 a year. It's about the unhoused people. The mentally ill, the drug addicted. Open up the malls to rebuild them into homes for those people.

780
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:34,300
Like the Regis Senior Housing Development and Hayward that is working now to house our homeless people, our unhoused.

781
01:15:36,560 --> 01:15:41,890
There's a group called our neighborhood voices right that down, OMV.

782
01:15:42,940 --> 01:15:51,680
They are nonprofit group working in California to get on the ballot to overturn the housing element.

783
01:15:55,200 --> 01:15:58,740
What else can I say in 27 seconds?

784
01:16:03,430 --> 01:16:04,630
Yeah, take back our zoning.

785
01:16:05,370 --> 01:16:05,910
That's ridiculous.

786
01:16:07,110 --> 01:16:17,090
To have fair view, to have fair view having apartment houses all over the place in areas that are not built upon.

787
01:16:17,410 --> 01:16:19,010
That's just wrong.

788
01:16:27,590 --> 01:16:28,630
I have thank you Kathy.

789
01:16:28,830 --> 01:16:29,630
Thank you.

790
01:16:29,630 --> 01:16:32,570
No additional speakers for item one.

791
01:16:32,650 --> 01:16:35,370
No additional either place.

792
01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:46,950
Okay. So I will now close public comment. Excuse me. Okay. And since this is not an action item. I think that's it for item number one.

793
01:16:47,130 --> 01:16:53,630
Thank you all very much for coming to present. And you are not popular. So just know it. Okay.

794
01:16:58,440 --> 01:17:04,660
No, I know, I know, and I understand, it's fine, but just say you understand what you're walking into.

795
01:17:09,500 --> 01:17:11,300
Yeah, we thank you very much.

796
01:17:12,600 --> 01:17:18,120
Okay, now, are we ready to talk about the minutes?

797
01:17:22,010 --> 01:17:24,270
Yes, we can go back to the minutes.

798
01:17:24,270 --> 01:17:29,750
I did review the audio from your last meeting and the minutes work continued.

799
01:17:29,750 --> 01:17:36,130
you don't have them in front of you. So we will put those the June minutes on your October

800
01:17:36,130 --> 01:17:44,030
agenda. Thank you. Okay, so June minutes on the October agenda, because we don't have them

801
01:17:44,030 --> 01:17:56,510
to look at. Okay, so now we need to review and decide about approving the July minutes and those

802
01:17:56,510 --> 01:18:06,310
are in front of us. So what I'd like, do I have a motion? I'll start with that. Do I have a motion to approve?

803
01:18:06,430 --> 01:18:11,230
Sorry, chair, before you take any action, you'll want to open public comment. Oh, that you're

804
01:18:11,230 --> 01:18:18,650
coming forward. So it's not within the conversation. You can have discussion, but no actions like

805
01:18:18,650 --> 01:18:23,510
making a motion before public comment. Okay. Well, then let's have public comment on the minutes.

806
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:29,270
Does anyone have any comments, changes about the July minutes?

807
01:18:30,430 --> 01:18:33,630
I have no public speakers for the minutes.

808
01:18:34,050 --> 01:18:36,890
Okay, no public speakers either place.

809
01:18:36,910 --> 01:18:39,990
So I will close public comment on the minutes.

810
01:18:40,530 --> 01:18:44,620
And now I would like to entertain a motion to approve these minutes.

811
01:18:48,840 --> 01:18:52,560
I'm motion that we approve the minutes from the last month.

812
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:53,920
Okay, do I have a second?

813
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:57,820
Okay, we have a first in a second.

814
01:18:58,440 --> 01:19:03,160
Do I have any comments or conversations about that?

815
01:19:05,870 --> 01:19:08,270
Okay, I have just one thing.

816
01:19:09,770 --> 01:19:13,950
And this may be considered a nitpick, but there you go.

817
01:19:14,630 --> 01:19:17,730
Number one, you don't motion an item, you move.

818
01:19:18,330 --> 01:19:21,370
So everywhere in the minutes where it says somebody motion,

819
01:19:21,670 --> 01:19:23,910
it should be changed if they moved.

820
01:19:23,910 --> 01:19:30,830
So if you could do that, I'm not, there's nothing actually of substance but it's a thing.

821
01:19:32,070 --> 01:19:51,210
Okay, all right, so do you accept my amendment to the motion to approve these minutes to say approved with the change in the wording of motions?

822
01:19:52,190 --> 01:19:56,230
So, graphic steps, Vanessa accepts.

823
01:19:57,290 --> 01:19:59,970
You know the way you're really supposed to do it is now vote.

824
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:29,740
On this little amendment thing, can we just vote on the, yeah, that's just do it that way. Okay. My, my people don't like me to cut corners, but I'd like to just go now. We have an amended motion to approve the July minutes with the word change every time you see somebody motion something. It will say they moved it. All right. So may we take the roll on this vote, please.

825
01:20:29,740 --> 01:20:36,320
Council Member Farmer. Yes. Council Member Higgins. Yes. Vice Chair Rhodes.

826
01:20:36,980 --> 01:20:45,440
Okay. Chair Chair Filbin. I approve as corrected for July 7th minutes.

827
01:20:45,680 --> 01:20:47,580
I'm upset. Thank you so much.

828
01:20:54,360 --> 01:20:57,200
I have so much paper staff here, so I apologize for

829
01:20:58,640 --> 01:21:00,060
sort of bumbling around.

830
01:21:03,260 --> 01:21:08,100
This isn't what I want. We're now going to take the next item,

831
01:21:08,100 --> 01:21:20,120
which is an action item, and I believe it is the application for PLN, no it's not that one.

832
01:21:29,130 --> 01:21:31,370
I thought I had these stacked in the right order.

833
01:21:35,290 --> 01:21:36,970
All right, you're right, you're right.

834
01:21:37,210 --> 01:21:37,950
I was right.

835
01:21:38,810 --> 01:21:39,630
Thank you.

836
01:21:40,030 --> 01:21:49,230
All right, so the next item we're going to take up is application number PLN 2026-0045.

837
01:21:49,230 --> 01:21:52,170
four or five site development review.

838
01:21:54,550 --> 01:21:59,230
It is for the address, I guess it doesn't have an address

839
01:21:59,230 --> 01:22:12,550
in the minute zero corpus court between 2805-8 and 28065. And where's my cheat sheet here?

840
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:15,120
So

841
01:22:15,120 --> 01:22:20,680
do I open, I don't open public comment before they make their presentation do I? Okay, so

842
01:22:21,580 --> 01:22:25,480
Please introduce yourself and present.

843
01:22:25,480 --> 01:22:28,740
Thank you, Aubrey Rose, Alameda County Planning Department.

844
01:22:28,860 --> 01:22:30,100
Tell me your name one more time.

845
01:22:30,140 --> 01:22:33,280
Aubrey Rose, Alameda County Planning Department.

846
01:22:33,580 --> 01:22:36,680
It's my first time presenting in front of this council.

847
01:22:37,180 --> 01:22:39,440
Good evening, council members and members of the public.

848
01:22:39,980 --> 01:22:46,520
So again, this is case number PLN 2026-0045 at zero,

849
01:22:46,520 --> 01:22:52,260
Quirkus Court in Fairview, the proposals for a site development review planning permit

850
01:22:52,260 --> 01:22:59,400
to allow construction of a new one story, 1,698 square foot home, one bedroom, one bath,

851
01:22:59,940 --> 01:23:07,420
within attached two car, 516 square foot garage on a down slope lot in the L limited rural uses

852
01:23:07,420 --> 01:23:12,940
combining zone district. Application was submitted March 19th of this year.

853
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:19,930
Property owner is

854
01:23:19,930 --> 01:23:24,670
is Mr. Pendra Morathae, who is present,

855
01:23:25,250 --> 01:23:27,510
as is the applicant, Adolfo M. Martinez.

856
01:23:28,970 --> 01:23:31,710
And General Plan is role residential

857
01:23:31,710 --> 01:23:34,030
within the Fairview specific plan,

858
01:23:34,370 --> 01:23:36,750
zoning within the Fairview area specific plan

859
01:23:36,750 --> 01:23:39,010
is R1 single family residence

860
01:23:39,590 --> 01:23:41,450
with a combining zone of L,

861
01:23:41,690 --> 01:23:43,270
limited uses of a rule nature,

862
01:23:43,850 --> 01:23:47,090
and B.E. which in this case is a five acre minimum building

863
01:23:47,090 --> 01:23:54,330
site area 300 foot medium median lot with minimum 30 foot minimum required front yard and

864
01:23:54,330 --> 01:23:55,950
20 foot minimum side yard.

865
01:23:56,030 --> 01:24:02,630
This project is exempt from environmental review under SQL as a class 3 new construction

866
01:24:02,630 --> 01:24:05,330
project for a single family home.

867
01:24:08,980 --> 01:24:11,100
And so here is the general location.

868
01:24:11,560 --> 01:24:17,940
Here's fair view inside the light blue if you can see that and the project site is all the way

869
01:24:17,940 --> 01:24:22,820
in that southerly tip and beyond that is city of hayward

870
01:24:26,630 --> 01:24:29,590
and zooming into the site a little bit

871
01:24:29,590 --> 01:24:37,370
in the left side and further on the right it's this triangular shaped parcel that flares out as

872
01:24:37,370 --> 01:24:45,430
it runs downhill at the end of Quirk discord which is an easement over properties accessed by

873
01:24:46,490 --> 01:24:50,730
another easement street that leads from Fairview Avenue.

874
01:24:53,580 --> 01:24:54,560
And so here's a

875
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street view of the project site at this dead end of Quarkis Court, the other.

876
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,220
Parts on the street are developed.

877
01:25:07,220 --> 01:25:12,500
Here's some site photo. So this is on the left side facing north.

878
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:30,840
You can see the top of the site towards the street is more level than the lower part of the parcel and on the right is the opposite view facing to the south.

879
01:25:34,390 --> 01:25:43,090
So, in terms of our sowning history, the location was originally zoned in 1956, it was

880
01:25:43,090 --> 01:25:51,710
rezoned to its current designation in 1975 and this is a conforming lot even though it measures

881
01:25:51,710 --> 01:25:58,370
1.77 acres where otherwise any new lot in the district must measure a minimum of five

882
01:25:58,370 --> 01:26:03,370
acres due to the time at which it was legally subdivided.

883
01:26:04,610 --> 01:26:09,450
And so there is a certificate of compliance to authenticate that on file.

884
01:26:14,750 --> 01:26:18,850
As far as referrals to other departments and agencies for the project,

885
01:26:19,370 --> 01:26:21,730
the Hayward Fire Department, which has jurisdiction,

886
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:26,770
is requiring fire sprinklers in the home, which are proposed.

887
01:26:26,770 --> 01:26:34,310
and the county public works has several requirements in terms of road connection and safety

888
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:39,030
and also erosion and drainage controls which are already incorporated into the proposal

889
01:26:39,030 --> 01:26:42,530
and the plan set that's attached to your staff report.

890
01:26:47,530 --> 01:26:48,770
So here's the proposal.

891
01:26:53,100 --> 01:26:58,440
Sight improvements would include insulation of a driveway home proposed home design would feature a

892
01:26:58,440 --> 01:27:05,220
roof open floor plan horizontal sighting and a rear balcony landscaping would be installed throughout

893
01:27:05,220 --> 01:27:13,700
the front yard and alongside the driveway. So here's some architectural renditions on the left side

894
01:27:13,700 --> 01:27:17,560
and different 3D views on the right.

895
01:27:22,350 --> 01:27:28,670
Here is a site plan. The entire site with a nearly 400 feet

896
01:27:28,670 --> 01:27:36,490
rear yard from the back of the proposed home to the rear latline and the upper left and then

897
01:27:36,490 --> 01:27:44,830
zoomed in to the foot print area on the right and so again this is designed to take advantage

898
01:27:44,830 --> 01:27:54,410
of the least steep portion of the lat which is also the closest to the street or the easement

899
01:27:56,390 --> 01:28:17,530
And this is zoomed into the floor plan, so this is a one bedroom, one bath home with a open floor plan, rear balcony to take advantage of the views and an attached two car garage that's set back from the facade of the proposed home.

900
01:28:21,340 --> 01:28:30,100
And it's so here's some elevations. So what you'd see from the entrance would be

901
01:28:30,100 --> 01:28:35,550
on the, I'm going to have to refer to my, right now,

902
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on the lower left is the, uh,

903
01:28:46,060 --> 01:28:49,000
ventilation facing north.

904
01:28:54,270 --> 01:28:57,330
And just in terms of some of the other development standards,

905
01:28:57,330 --> 01:29:03,150
the proposal meets or exceeds all of the development standards and no

906
01:29:03,150 --> 01:29:04,950
variances are requested.

907
01:29:07,210 --> 01:29:14,250
And so this is indicating in the upper row for the

908
01:29:14,250 --> 01:29:20,930
zoning district and the lower row for the site and the proposed building.

909
01:29:24,320 --> 01:29:24,700
So not

910
01:29:24,700 --> 01:29:32,500
as large as is otherwise allowed under the specific plan.

911
01:29:34,580 --> 01:29:38,440
And then just a few points in terms of analysis.

912
01:29:42,180 --> 01:29:48,180
So the proposed design features an attractive low profile design with minimal bulk.

913
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:52,620
It would not be located on a ridge line, so it would be no siloating effect in involves

914
01:29:52,620 --> 01:29:58,420
minimal greeting. The majority of the striding parcels are developed and the proposed and

915
01:29:58,420 --> 01:29:59,980
we're not exceed the size or height.

916
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:07,380
8 of the majority of the adjacent homes. Utilities for water and sanitary sewer are available, and septic's not necessary.

917
01:30:07,940 --> 01:30:18,000
And again, fire sprinklers would be provided. So the project is consistent with the low density neighborhood layout, featuring deep rear lots that preserve trees and creeks.

918
01:30:18,740 --> 01:30:24,980
Again, the proposed rear setback is nearly 400 feet. So the project would help to meet the areas housing needs.

919
01:30:24,980 --> 01:30:29,140
And the site would also be eligible in the future for a smaller ADU.

920
01:30:31,640 --> 01:30:40,940
Also, all standards are met from the Casa Homes D restriction, namely a minimum 35 foot set back from the edge of the roadway.

921
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:50,560
To the rear, the property budding the site is a large and developed property that's located in the city of Hayward as not zone for development.

922
01:30:51,400 --> 01:30:57,440
And in terms of public notice notices, we're distributed, no correspondence was received.

923
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:02,160
I'm sorry to interrupt. What did you just say about the city of Hayward?

924
01:31:02,980 --> 01:31:08,980
The abutting property to the rear of this site is located in the city of Hayward.

925
01:31:10,100 --> 01:31:14,440
It's a large parcel that's undeveloped and is not zoned for development.

926
01:31:20,300 --> 01:31:21,580
Thank you. Sorry.

927
01:31:21,580 --> 01:31:27,620
Absolutely. So in conclusion, staff recommends that the Fairview Municipal Advisory Council

928
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recommend approval of case number PLN 2026-0045 to the Alameda County Board of Supervisors.

929
01:31:35,800 --> 01:31:40,260
Planning Department staff will convey the Fairview Max recommendation to the planning director.

930
01:31:41,160 --> 01:31:48,480
This particular permit type of site development review is ultimately decided by the planning director.

931
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So the recommendation here will be taken to the director during their deliberations of the item.

932
01:31:56,460 --> 01:31:58,300
So that concludes staff's report.

933
01:31:58,720 --> 01:32:06,020
I've available to answer any questions you may have and again, the architect and the property owner are both present as well.

934
01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:06,920
Thank you.

935
01:32:09,160 --> 01:32:09,440
Okay.

936
01:32:09,920 --> 01:32:11,580
Beth, do you have any questions?

937
01:32:23,580 --> 01:32:36,540
I would like to go back to the how a one acre parcel in an area that's zone for five acre

938
01:32:36,540 --> 01:32:45,600
parcels is conforming. I just I wasn't clear on how that happened. So was subdivided legally

939
01:32:46,220 --> 01:32:54,540
when the minimum lot size was less than what it is now. So any future subdivisions would

940
01:32:54,540 --> 01:33:00,720
have to be a minimum of five acres. So starting with at least 10 acres for a lot split, for

941
01:33:00,720 --> 01:33:08,820
example. This lot is we don't say non-conforming in this instance where the lots were legally

942
01:33:08,820 --> 01:33:15,620
subdivided under a prior regulation. So we term it conforming in this regard.

943
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:19,600
Okay. That's okay. So it's grandfathered in. Correct.

944
01:33:20,440 --> 01:33:27,160
Okay. So I need your help because I drove out there to look and I want to make sure

945
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That what I was that I was looking at the right parcel. So when you drive down to the end of that cul-de-sac

946
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:40,280
You're right at the end you're pointing right at the end. There's a house to the right

947
01:33:42,660 --> 01:33:46,260
Okay, but straight on there's a

948
01:33:46,260 --> 01:33:50,320
Submit pad that seems to drop off is that the property that is not

949
01:33:50,320 --> 01:33:54,080
I'm not ever going to be developed or there's no development plan.

950
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:55,180
Oh, no.

951
01:33:55,220 --> 01:33:59,620
That was the property at the bottom of the hill that's behind this lot.

952
01:34:00,980 --> 01:34:02,220
That I was referring to.

953
01:34:02,420 --> 01:34:04,340
So it's why I looked to the left.

954
01:34:04,940 --> 01:34:07,840
There's a piece of property that has some sheds on it.

955
01:34:07,900 --> 01:34:09,420
It has kids play equipment.

956
01:34:09,620 --> 01:34:11,800
Is that the property we're talking about?

957
01:34:16,860 --> 01:34:17,180
I'm sorry.

958
01:34:20,610 --> 01:34:20,970
Please.

959
01:34:21,570 --> 01:34:22,490
Can you?

960
01:34:29,520 --> 01:34:29,960
Yes.

961
01:34:30,900 --> 01:34:33,240
The property is this.

962
01:34:33,240 --> 01:34:40,250
which you saw is the cement pad and the land behind that is the property. And then

963
01:34:41,480 --> 01:34:49,460
what Rosa or Mr. Aubrey was referring to is when that property ends there is the property which is

964
01:34:49,460 --> 01:34:56,760
in the Herbert city area. The one to the right or run behind it behind the both the left and right

965
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:59,980
properties are in the fair view area.

966
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:12,500
Okay, so I didn't trespass, so I didn't go walking to the edge to look. But behind that cement pad, it looked to me like it was a drop off. Is it not a drop off behind the pad?

967
01:35:12,880 --> 01:35:15,340
Yeah, and that area is not going to be dull.

968
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:17,740
It is not, it's just that front area.

969
01:35:17,840 --> 01:35:21,020
Front area, really beautiful. Because it is blocked.

970
01:35:21,640 --> 01:35:25,060
Right. Right. Okay. Thank you.

971
01:35:25,700 --> 01:35:26,180
Okay.

972
01:35:30,010 --> 01:35:38,130
I guess I don't have any questions either. I just want to make sure that I was looking at the right place, and I looked at both of those, so wasn't sure.

973
01:35:40,650 --> 01:35:45,430
Can we have, this is an action item, so can we have a...

974
01:35:45,430 --> 01:35:49,210
No, no, no, you're right. I'm sorry. I know, I know.

975
01:35:51,380 --> 01:35:56,600
I know. I know. Can I please now stop laughing, Ashley.

976
01:35:56,600 --> 01:36:00,040
Okay, can I please now open for public comment?

977
01:36:00,500 --> 01:36:06,760
Jill Angel and then Richmond Villain-Villa and are they here?

978
01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:08,480
Okay, please.

979
01:36:08,860 --> 01:36:09,800
Thank you.

980
01:36:18,960 --> 01:36:21,120
Jill Angel are our Buddhist court.

981
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:27,780
I just have a couple of questions on that particular piece of property and it's not necessarily

982
01:36:27,780 --> 01:36:34,720
just that property but it's the roads between our butis and then you turn off to go to

983
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:38,320
and that's a very susceptible part of our road.

984
01:36:39,060 --> 01:36:42,940
And I'm quite concerned with all of the development

985
01:36:42,940 --> 01:36:49,380
and all of the equipment that's going to be continuing to use that area

986
01:36:49,380 --> 01:36:51,960
while the home is being built.

987
01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:55,720
Matter of fact, we're discussing what we need to do with that.

988
01:36:56,300 --> 01:36:59,520
And I'm quite concerned, as are many of the other neighbors,

989
01:37:00,380 --> 01:37:16,460
We're worried about what all this heavy equipment will do to that road and if we have a heavy rain like that predicting this year and I don't know when you're starting to build we have no problem with the building the house is okay, but what that will do to the road.

990
01:37:17,200 --> 01:37:24,520
And I think we need to have some further discussion not necessarily here but with the neighbors and whatever that will develop on the road.

991
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:30,080
So is Quivis private or public road both both are private?

992
01:37:30,500 --> 01:37:31,640
Okay, thank you.

993
01:37:31,780 --> 01:37:34,180
Percus and our beautis because he's just off.

994
01:37:34,400 --> 01:37:35,040
I know where it is.

995
01:37:35,120 --> 01:37:35,840
I was out there.

996
01:37:36,500 --> 01:37:41,860
Yeah, if you were just down there, you see that and when you turned off of our beautis to go down

997
01:37:41,860 --> 01:37:47,840
the quirkis, that road is already quite damaged from a bunch of, I guess, at the green

998
01:37:47,840 --> 01:37:49,080
age of the last year.

999
01:37:49,840 --> 01:37:53,520
And we just three did that road five years ago, yeah.

1000
01:37:53,520 --> 01:38:04,680
And you know, already it got some concerns and we're looking at what we need to do, but if we have all this heavy equipment going down there this year, it's going to totally destroy that corner.

1001
01:38:05,400 --> 01:38:06,300
Okay. Thank you.

1002
01:38:06,560 --> 01:38:07,600
Do you have a road agreement?

1003
01:38:08,280 --> 01:38:13,160
Do I have a road agreement with the neighborhood on the street?

1004
01:38:14,800 --> 01:38:16,500
Well, I guess we call it an agreement.

1005
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:20,680
You don't have anything filed with the county.

1006
01:38:21,700 --> 01:38:35,040
because they're taking we pay taxes to the county. I have to look on that years and years ago before my husband passed away. He was all involved in that. Okay, and so I know there's stuff on it. I've got a whole book of it there. So I might want to go into that.

1007
01:38:35,520 --> 01:38:41,480
But we have a lot of papers on it. Yeah, because private roads aren't covered by taxes, right?

1008
01:38:41,480 --> 01:38:48,500
it. We pay taxes for that road. Okay. All right. We have a clause that we, you know,

1009
01:38:48,620 --> 01:38:53,040
part of our taxes go. Okay. I think that's one part of what she said. The road originally

1010
01:38:53,040 --> 01:38:58,180
then they started taxing so we'd have money to continue. Okay. Of course it's never enough,

1011
01:38:58,180 --> 01:39:03,000
you know. No, that's right. Thank you. Oops.

1012
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,660
Do you have anyone else? Anyone on the way,

1013
01:39:08,660 --> 01:39:09,540
Okay,

1014
01:39:32,890 --> 01:39:39,110
hi. My name is Risminovo. I live on for this port. And I also had concerns with the road.

1015
01:39:39,530 --> 01:39:42,230
It's a very narrow street.

1016
01:39:44,450 --> 01:39:52,950
And fire trucks or, you know, the garbage truck comes down and has to reverse all the way back out of the road because there's no real turnaround.

1017
01:39:53,130 --> 01:39:59,970
I mean, there's cars parked everywhere and kind of everyone has to use like the UPS guy FedEx guy.

1018
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:09,680
Amazon, they all use my driveway to turn around, because I leave it open. And my only concern, I guess, with this building

1019
01:40:09,680 --> 01:40:16,280
processes, all that equipment, like she mentioned, all like, where's it going to be staged and

1020
01:40:16,280 --> 01:40:19,000
part, and it's very narrow.

1021
01:40:21,840 --> 01:40:25,340
And yeah, so, and like, and in future, when it is built, and they,

1022
01:40:25,340 --> 01:40:30,160
they have guests and they have a party over because it's a nice house and where are

1023
01:40:30,160 --> 01:40:37,900
their guests going to park their vehicles if not on my bit of land that's where the

1024
01:40:37,900 --> 01:40:41,740
cars turn around, you know, where the big trucks turn out like if cars don't need to.

1025
01:40:43,600 --> 01:40:49,640
And yeah, some of the other things that I had questions on was addressed by this form

1026
01:40:51,750 --> 01:40:52,290
and

1027
01:40:52,290 --> 01:40:59,150
other concerns. This property value can go down. I mean, it's a small bedroom house. Sandwich

1028
01:40:59,150 --> 01:41:07,490
between two, I have two million dollar homes. And I don't know. What else do I have? Oh,

1029
01:41:07,690 --> 01:41:12,190
how long is a project going to take to build? Is it okay? I saw that it was Monday,

1030
01:41:12,230 --> 01:41:19,790
three Friday business hours, but for how long? Three years, five years, one year,

1031
01:41:21,010 --> 01:41:27,110
And I saw that they can have access to septic?

1032
01:41:27,130 --> 01:41:29,330
Can I have access to septic?

1033
01:41:29,410 --> 01:41:29,950
I didn't know.

1034
01:41:30,170 --> 01:41:30,930
I'm new.

1035
01:41:31,550 --> 01:41:36,830
Oh, do I have access to the sewer system also

1036
01:41:36,830 --> 01:41:39,430
with I have a septic tank on my property?

1037
01:41:39,770 --> 01:41:43,910
And I just read that they have access to sewers?

1038
01:41:44,230 --> 01:41:46,730
Can I tap into that during the process?

1039
01:41:46,830 --> 01:41:47,650
I don't know how that works.

1040
01:41:51,530 --> 01:41:55,370
Okay, so I can do that on my own, I suppose.

1041
01:41:56,170 --> 01:41:57,650
Oh, you can answer that today, yeah, can I?

1042
01:41:57,970 --> 01:41:59,130
Oh, you can answer it today.

1043
01:41:59,790 --> 01:42:00,970
I can't tap into that.

1044
01:42:01,090 --> 01:42:03,090
But yes, my only concern is the street,

1045
01:42:04,330 --> 01:42:07,010
parking for guests, construction supplies,

1046
01:42:07,710 --> 01:42:11,090
and just big things going down that road that can't turn around

1047
01:42:11,090 --> 01:42:13,750
without coming on to my bit of luck.

1048
01:42:13,770 --> 01:42:16,310
You know, you may want to just think about it.

1049
01:42:18,040 --> 01:42:20,240
Well, then there you go, can I?

1050
01:42:20,380 --> 01:42:21,880
Can I get like a tax of bit of it?

1051
01:42:21,880 --> 01:42:26,860
You know, or I don't know, can I have access to the, the creek that no one else does

1052
01:42:26,860 --> 01:42:28,040
and my time is almost up.

1053
01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:39,560
So, so I got, so I, so this is for the, the owner, there's a requirement for parking

1054
01:42:39,560 --> 01:42:45,120
whenever you build a house as your, is your plan consistent with off-street parking for

1055
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:51,220
your home. So you have the two car garage so you've got the two spots off the street.

1056
01:42:53,410 --> 01:42:55,550
Hmm. Please.

1057
01:42:55,570 --> 01:43:01,030
I can address some of the concerns I have with like a answer. Quick one.

1058
01:43:05,150 --> 01:43:14,530
So in front of the house, the the pad and the area that we are left has space for

1059
01:43:14,530 --> 01:43:22,390
parking four to five cars and we will have enough space in the garage so totally six cars

1060
01:43:22,390 --> 01:43:29,310
which we can easily park without putting any car on the on the road. Okay. Thank you. And then

1061
01:43:29,310 --> 01:43:39,630
just because potential neighbors. So we intend to have the contractor manage the construction

1062
01:43:39,630 --> 01:43:47,950
access very responsibly, and if there is a damage, we are responsible and if we were to address

1063
01:43:47,950 --> 01:43:48,550
that appropriate.

1064
01:43:54,690 --> 01:43:57,870
Okay, thank you so much. Are there any other public comment?

1065
01:44:01,080 --> 01:44:02,080
Okay, if we have

1066
01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:07,820
no other public comment that I'll close public comment, thank you very much everyone for your participation.

1067
01:44:08,800 --> 01:44:11,360
Now is there anything further from the council?

1068
01:44:19,520 --> 01:44:21,600
Speak up because I'm about to shut you down.

1069
01:44:25,300 --> 01:44:25,560
Okay,

1070
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:34,240
So no other comments from the council, so is there a motion to approve this request as requested?

1071
01:44:36,430 --> 01:44:42,070
I move to approve the request as presented.

1072
01:44:42,610 --> 01:44:43,350
Thank you.

1073
01:44:43,530 --> 01:44:44,690
Do we have a second?

1074
01:44:44,790 --> 01:44:45,650
All second.

1075
01:44:46,710 --> 01:44:47,410
Okay.

1076
01:44:47,410 --> 01:44:48,390
Do you have a second?

1077
01:44:49,170 --> 01:44:49,530
Okay.

1078
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:53,130
May we now have...

1079
01:44:53,130 --> 01:44:58,990
For approval of item two, Council Member Farmer.

1080
01:45:01,180 --> 01:45:19,340
Council member Higgins? Aye. Vice chair votes. Aye. Chair, Philbin. Aye. Approved. Okay. Excuse us, everybody, but we are about to have a five-minute restroom break.

1081
01:45:25,460 --> 01:45:33,060
Hello. I would like to call the meeting back to order. May we please have a roll call? Council member Farmer.

1082
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:44,330
Present council member Higgins vice chair Rose here chair Philbin here. We have a quorum. Thank you

1083
01:45:44,560 --> 01:45:47,320
The next item on our agenda is

1084
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:59,120
PLN 2026-004 one site development reviews sand-a-ball crescendo

1085
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:10,380
T.R. Helen Yang, Fun, Action Item, and this is for 3247 D Street.

1086
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:22,360
It is, let's see. Well, you're going to tell me what it is when you present. So maybe I'll just let it go with that and ask you to please present the project. Thank you and start with your name, of course.

1087
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:29,500
Sure. Hello. My name is Michael Fleming. I'm with the Almey County Planning Department. I'm a

1088
01:46:29,500 --> 01:46:34,480
planner. This is I have number three PLN 2026.

1089
01:46:34,800 --> 01:46:39,760
Serves are a four one. It's a site development review to allow construction of it

1090
01:46:40,280 --> 01:46:44,420
for an addition over 50% of the existing space of single-family home.

1091
01:46:46,420 --> 01:46:53,140
The owner is sand-evaled, crescendo, trust, and the applicant is Helen Yang-Bung.

1092
01:46:53,720 --> 01:46:59,470
It's at 3247-D Street, APN-417-240-1-3.

1093
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:07,840
It's a category exempt from SQA, under 15303, a new construction of small structures.

1094
01:47:10,580 --> 01:47:22,440
Here you can see, or the red dot is, is where the existing home is, its own R1BE, it has

1095
01:47:22,440 --> 01:47:30,400
a minimum building site area of 10,000 feet, and being locked with the 70 feet, it's in

1096
01:47:30,400 --> 01:47:33,300
the e-in-genital plan as very low-density residential.

1097
01:47:35,380 --> 01:47:36,140
Next slide.

1098
01:47:36,760 --> 01:47:41,200
Actually, I'm going to interrupt you just a moment ago back to that slide.

1099
01:47:42,060 --> 01:47:46,040
How far back does the property go that's associated with this home?

1100
01:47:46,640 --> 01:47:49,880
I went and looked at, I didn't see any fencing, so I wasn't sure.

1101
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:53,140
It goes pretty far back.

1102
01:47:54,460 --> 01:48:00,320
So that dark line that goes down is that a property line or does their property drop down to the next?

1103
01:48:00,620 --> 01:48:01,520
I think rectangle.

1104
01:48:01,800 --> 01:48:04,900
I think see the grass disconnected with the home?

1105
01:48:04,900 --> 01:48:12,500
Yes, follow that all the way back and it just keeps going back. Right. It's goes back pretty far.

1106
01:48:14,980 --> 01:48:31,280
I want to say it goes it. I have it right here. It goes back 683 feet. Okay, and so that the property below that that dark line that. Yeah, that's what I'm saying is is not part of it. It's just straight back. Okay.

1107
01:48:31,280 --> 01:48:35,800
And where the development is happening is right where the house is right by the road.

1108
01:48:38,330 --> 01:48:38,950
Thank you.

1109
01:48:38,950 --> 01:48:39,910
No problem.

1110
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:41,390
Okay.

1111
01:48:44,360 --> 01:48:45,760
Some planning considerations.

1112
01:48:47,340 --> 01:48:53,720
So the project consists of converting the first floor into an 813 square foot ADU.

1113
01:48:54,620 --> 01:49:03,000
Adding 1386 square feet to the second floor, or total second floor of 2,253 feet.

1114
01:49:03,000 --> 01:49:12,120
adding 292 square feet to the first floor, besides the ADU conversion, and then adding

1115
01:49:12,120 --> 01:49:18,260
to make it a first floor, 1,012 square feet, and adding a 860 square foot

1116
01:49:18,260 --> 01:49:23,780
garage. You'll see in the plans to follow, I'll explain it a little bit better. One

1117
01:49:23,780 --> 01:49:30,000
other thing that we insisted that they made the porch 100 square feet, because when you

1118
01:49:30,000 --> 01:49:35,580
In fact, the front of the home is a minimum requirement of 5% needs to be porch up to

1119
01:49:35,580 --> 01:49:36,460
100 to our feet.

1120
01:49:37,060 --> 01:49:40,720
So as long as you have 100 square feet you're fine, they didn't have 100 to our feet to

1121
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:45,040
have like 89 so they're going to add a little bit more.

1122
01:49:46,880 --> 01:49:53,160
The main floor will have a master bedroom, master bath, dressing and second bathroom, laundry

1123
01:49:53,160 --> 01:49:57,600
office and large open room that contains a kitchen dining and living room.

1124
01:50:00,110 --> 01:50:03,810
Okay, next slide. Well, you got it.

1125
01:50:06,200 --> 01:50:21,100
So part of the things that we are looking at for this project were the development standards, that basically every project needs to follow, and in favor of you, they have their own specific rules by the Fairview Society plan.

1126
01:50:22,100 --> 01:50:32,160
So, the Floority Ratio for this project was, they were allowed to go up to, with a lot

1127
01:50:32,160 --> 01:50:38,880
being 62,747 feet, they were allowed to build a home up to 8,774.

1128
01:50:39,680 --> 01:50:44,860
Their home is going to be 3,265 plus a garage.

1129
01:50:45,980 --> 01:50:51,760
So, they're under less than half of the FAR requirement.

1130
01:50:53,740 --> 01:50:59,300
The lock coverage allows max lock coverage is 12,549.

1131
01:51:00,660 --> 01:51:03,780
There are a lot of coverage is only 1881.

1132
01:51:05,400 --> 01:51:11,620
So, it's severely below their setbacks.

1133
01:51:11,620 --> 01:51:14,220
We're the next thing to consider.

1134
01:51:15,200 --> 01:51:20,260
They do have the required 20 front and 20 rear and 10 front on the sides.

1135
01:51:21,360 --> 01:51:26,140
In that, except for one of the sides is the existing setback,

1136
01:51:26,740 --> 01:51:31,700
which has a six foot side, but since it's 50% of what's required,

1137
01:51:32,040 --> 01:51:34,020
they're allowed to continue on their project.

1138
01:51:34,480 --> 01:51:36,900
If it was less than they'd have to add a variance.

1139
01:51:36,900 --> 01:51:46,540
So, but there's setbacks, our greater than what's required, has a 35 foot front setback,

1140
01:51:46,920 --> 01:51:53,860
a 610 foot rear setback, and 23 foot on the one side, and then six foot on the side,

1141
01:51:54,060 --> 01:51:56,860
that's saying that it's within 50% of requirement.

1142
01:51:58,080 --> 01:51:58,940
Next slide, please.

1143
01:52:02,950 --> 01:52:05,310
A little hard to see from here.

1144
01:52:05,310 --> 01:52:13,310
You have some drawings here. I do have one set of plants in the room if anyone needs this would like to see him.

1145
01:52:14,390 --> 01:52:21,550
But basically, if you look at my hands, here's the house looking from coming from the street looking at it.

1146
01:52:21,970 --> 01:52:34,370
On the bottom floor on the left side is going to be an ADU, which was already on the bottom side of the left side.

1147
01:52:34,370 --> 01:52:36,630
The bottom on left side is going to be ADU.

1148
01:52:36,990 --> 01:52:39,010
On the right side is going to be a garage.

1149
01:52:40,230 --> 01:52:43,110
And then above both of that, there's going to be

1150
01:52:43,110 --> 01:52:44,850
in between the ADU and the garage,

1151
01:52:45,050 --> 01:52:48,130
there's going to be a center stairs and some storage there.

1152
01:52:48,610 --> 01:52:52,350
And then above the ADU is going to be where the bedrooms are

1153
01:52:52,350 --> 01:52:54,950
for the main floor for the house.

1154
01:52:55,730 --> 01:52:58,750
And then above the garage, this where it's going to be

1155
01:52:58,750 --> 01:53:01,350
dining, entertaining kitchen.

1156
01:53:02,450 --> 01:53:07,210
It's as simple as I could put it, it's basically what the house is going to be.

1157
01:53:08,830 --> 01:53:10,630
You can go ahead and go to the next side.

1158
01:53:11,130 --> 01:53:18,450
So this shows the existing first floor, which is not much, too much going on.

1159
01:53:18,630 --> 01:53:24,550
It's a scrubber, a small house footprint, and then on the right side is a proposed where

1160
01:53:24,550 --> 01:53:29,710
that small house footprint is going to be turned into an ADU, and then on the right side,

1161
01:53:29,710 --> 01:53:31,810
There's of the aid you there's gonna be some stairways

1162
01:53:31,810 --> 01:53:34,690
as access ways to get up to the second floor

1163
01:53:35,390 --> 01:53:38,950
and a garage to hold three cars.

1164
01:53:39,990 --> 01:53:40,910
And the next slide.

1165
01:53:48,950 --> 01:53:51,890
So, on the left side is the existing main floor.

1166
01:53:52,230 --> 01:53:54,830
Like I said, it's kind of a small footprint of a house.

1167
01:53:55,350 --> 01:53:56,950
This is a very modest home.

1168
01:53:57,970 --> 01:54:01,950
And now, on the second floor, as I read,

1169
01:54:02,750 --> 01:54:11,330
description of before. There's going to be master bath. I'm a master bedroom, it's sort of

1170
01:54:11,330 --> 01:54:21,030
a shared master bathroom, and a second bath, a second bedroom and office, and then across

1171
01:54:21,030 --> 01:54:28,670
from where the stairs are above the garage, on the second level, is the dining kitchen and

1172
01:54:28,670 --> 01:54:30,090
entertainment space.

1173
01:54:32,570 --> 01:54:38,450
And so you can see here that it is going to make the house

1174
01:54:38,450 --> 01:54:46,030
a little bit more impressive on the street. I would say this is not out of character of the area.

1175
01:54:46,990 --> 01:54:52,910
There are some various different size homes in the area. Some are obviously more modest,

1176
01:54:52,910 --> 01:54:59,970
Some are larger, but I think they presented a fairly decent.

1177
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:06,680
Our architectural job is making it look cohesive and make sense as both foreign function.

1178
01:55:09,660 --> 01:55:12,280
So you can go to the next slide,

1179
01:55:16,040 --> 01:55:20,500
and this is just a side view, not too much to see here, but

1180
01:55:20,860 --> 01:55:31,400
the top drawings are the left drawings are the existing, what east and west elevation and the right are the proposed east and west elevation.

1181
01:55:31,400 --> 01:55:31,400
on

1182
01:55:33,610 --> 01:55:38,670
the next slide. And so in summary, the proposed project from East Alameda County

1183
01:55:38,670 --> 01:55:43,150
is owning ordinance, the Edenary General Plan, the Fairviews, the area's district plan,

1184
01:55:43,850 --> 01:55:48,630
and the residential design gardens, the centers and guidelines. Therefore, the planning staff

1185
01:55:48,630 --> 01:55:52,010
supports this project for approval. Next slide, please.

1186
01:55:54,090 --> 01:55:56,490
Staff recommends the Fairview and Missile

1187
01:55:56,490 --> 01:56:01,610
Advisory Council recommend approval of the site development of you, PLN 2026, Serious

1188
01:56:01,610 --> 01:56:07,150
of 0.41 to the county board supervisors, the planning department staff will convey the Fairview

1189
01:56:07,150 --> 01:56:11,670
area and the useful advisory council's recommendation to the planning director during his deliberations

1190
01:56:11,670 --> 01:56:18,110
of this item to a law construction of additional 50% of existing space in the single-family home

1191
01:56:18,110 --> 01:56:24,890
based on drawing Mark Zuckeray and received March 18 to 0.26.

1192
01:56:26,210 --> 01:56:30,030
So the Fairview and the useful advisory council's recommendation and the following conditions

1193
01:56:30,030 --> 01:56:33,870
approval should be considered or maybe considered.

1194
01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:40,020
And the conditions are attached to the staff

1195
01:56:40,020 --> 01:56:50,500
report, which we would have received in your packet, which are right at the end of where I guess

1196
01:56:50,500 --> 01:56:57,900
this is page the first conditions on page number five of the staff report. And there are

1197
01:56:57,900 --> 01:57:02,600
or 17 conditions, mostly most of them are standard conditions,

1198
01:57:03,080 --> 01:57:05,080
like getting fired apart from approval

1199
01:57:06,740 --> 01:57:09,760
or that kind of thing, having a chance

1200
01:57:09,760 --> 01:57:14,780
to make minimal changes if they need to with the,

1201
01:57:15,600 --> 01:57:17,720
if they get it through the planning director

1202
01:57:17,720 --> 01:57:20,260
and he says it's okay, I'm not saying key

1203
01:57:20,260 --> 01:57:22,600
because our planning director is Albert, so.

1204
01:57:25,980 --> 01:57:28,860
What else you

1205
01:57:33,760 --> 01:57:38,060
could go ahead and look at any conditions if you want if you have any questions

1206
01:57:38,060 --> 01:57:48,080
and a staff available for any questions I do believe we have Hell and Yangtze fan fun on virtual

1207
01:57:51,460 --> 01:57:55,080
And the Santa Barbara here today, does he make it?

1208
01:57:56,420 --> 01:58:01,900
I don't think the owner, they were trying to have them come, but I guess he'll make it.

1209
01:58:04,180 --> 01:58:04,940
What are you in the back?

1210
01:58:05,120 --> 01:58:05,580
I didn't see you.

1211
01:58:07,980 --> 01:58:08,460
Okay.

1212
01:58:08,820 --> 01:58:09,120
Okay.

1213
01:58:10,060 --> 01:58:11,940
So, that's your presentation.

1214
01:58:12,500 --> 01:58:12,540
Okay.

1215
01:58:12,700 --> 01:58:16,660
So, Chris, do you have any questions or comments?

1216
01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:17,900
Well.

1217
01:58:21,260 --> 01:58:25,980
One of the things is parking, right?

1218
01:58:26,320 --> 01:58:28,160
So you've got a three-car garage,

1219
01:58:30,800 --> 01:58:33,560
and how many cars could you get in the driveway?

1220
01:58:35,280 --> 01:58:39,310
Well, not exactly sure, but I would assume at least two,

1221
01:58:40,340 --> 01:58:42,640
but if not three, they have a 35-foot setback.

1222
01:58:43,600 --> 01:58:47,580
So I would think you could probably get at least three in there.

1223
01:58:47,960 --> 01:59:00,120
Again, it's parking gets tight there at times, the nursing home has the classes there.

1224
01:59:00,940 --> 01:59:04,560
I don't know how many times a month they are at the end.

1225
01:59:04,560 --> 01:59:11,100
the, you know, the, these trees just packed at that time. And, uh,

1226
01:59:13,500 --> 01:59:15,160
and I, I, the, the

1227
01:59:15,160 --> 01:59:22,180
aerial photos, I saw six cars in the, part of the lot, uh, whatever, whatever time,

1228
01:59:22,520 --> 01:59:27,540
that was taken. And, uh, I suppose, uh,

1229
01:59:29,780 --> 01:59:34,400
well, they don't call it basards, they're, they're

1230
01:59:34,400 --> 01:59:42,080
more, but I still call it the SARTs. I suppose those classes are during the day and if you had

1231
01:59:42,080 --> 01:59:51,180
just sober. That's the evening. So I'm just trying to, you know, throw spaghetti at the parking situation.

1232
01:59:52,040 --> 01:59:59,420
I understand your concern. I would think in rest home activities probably earlier in the morning to

1233
01:59:59,420 --> 01:59:59,960
I mean, rest on.

1234
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:10,940
It's usually cut off pretty early from my understanding, you know, by eight or nine o'clock most people are going to bed or in bed and probably

1235
02:00:10,940 --> 02:00:20,140
raising hours or probably already over. So I think it would probably be okay. Was that being the major concern up there?

1236
02:00:21,140 --> 02:00:29,020
Yeah, I mean, the design, I think it's fine. And it's a huge lot. I mean, are they going to have?

1237
02:00:29,020 --> 02:00:33,580
maybe they'll put a tennis court back there or something out of them.

1238
02:00:36,550 --> 02:00:37,950
Well, it's not tennis.

1239
02:00:38,370 --> 02:00:39,610
Take a ball, take a ball.

1240
02:00:40,010 --> 02:00:40,750
Yeah, are you done?

1241
02:00:41,030 --> 02:00:41,650
Yeah, I'm done.

1242
02:00:42,810 --> 02:00:43,110
Okay.

1243
02:00:43,850 --> 02:00:44,910
Vanessa, do you have anything?

1244
02:00:47,390 --> 02:00:49,090
Yeah, I'm your neighbor.

1245
02:00:49,290 --> 02:00:50,510
I'm right up there.

1246
02:00:50,910 --> 02:00:54,090
So I share Chris's concern about the parking.

1247
02:00:54,890 --> 02:01:00,290
There is absolutely, it's a very hard to pass through there.

1248
02:01:01,270 --> 02:01:13,590
As you know, and concerned about if there's six cars parked here and there's a three car garage, like if there's going to be additional parking on the street.

1249
02:01:15,070 --> 02:01:25,350
By main question when I looked it up, it said that it was the VISTA point facility at that location. There's no relationship, right? Just other than it being right next to it.

1250
02:01:25,350 --> 02:01:27,890
It's not owned by the history.

1251
02:01:28,450 --> 02:01:31,570
No, just the VISTA point assisted living facility.

1252
02:01:31,590 --> 02:01:34,610
I don't have that thing that's no relation.

1253
02:01:35,610 --> 02:01:36,590
It used to be.

1254
02:01:36,750 --> 02:01:40,630
That's maybe why Google Maps thinks that that's what it is.

1255
02:01:41,090 --> 02:01:41,370
Oh, I see.

1256
02:01:42,050 --> 02:01:43,350
Okay, that's helpful.

1257
02:01:46,230 --> 02:01:52,200
So the, okay, so that's the part that I share the parking concern.

1258
02:01:52,440 --> 02:01:54,220
And I don't, I don't know that quite what you said.

1259
02:01:54,220 --> 02:02:03,300
Because I know when the parking is a problem, which is from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m. anytime that people are basically driving through there. It's a problem.

1260
02:02:03,520 --> 02:02:05,220
So I continue to share that concern.

1261
02:02:06,320 --> 02:02:10,040
The other question I had was, and this might just be because I don't understand.

1262
02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:18,320
But why is the proposed project being referred to as an ADU?

1263
02:02:19,920 --> 02:02:25,460
because it has a second kitchen, so it has to be ADU, otherwise you couldn't exist as a

1264
02:02:25,460 --> 02:02:26,720
cabin kitchen there.

1265
02:02:28,820 --> 02:02:33,100
I'm sorry. So this came up when they were designing the project,

1266
02:02:33,360 --> 02:02:38,860
they had a kitchen and an existing home that they wanted to keep, and the only way to keep

1267
02:02:38,860 --> 02:02:46,500
it would would be to make it an ADU, have an exterior entrance to the ADU, and allow them to keep

1268
02:02:46,500 --> 02:02:52,960
the kitchen that was there. Otherwise, you're going to have one kitchen. So that was an innovative way

1269
02:02:52,960 --> 02:02:58,820
of creating more housing also out. I'm to keep not have to change so much of the original house.

1270
02:02:58,820 --> 02:03:00,840
At least the lower floor.

1271
02:03:01,860 --> 02:03:02,500
Just in.

1272
02:03:03,060 --> 02:03:03,360
Okay.

1273
02:03:03,560 --> 02:03:04,600
Thank you for that.

1274
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:15,100
The other question I have is, this property is located adjacent to that large open area.

1275
02:03:16,120 --> 02:03:23,860
Off of D Street that it runs perpendicular all the way back.

1276
02:03:24,660 --> 02:03:31,260
It's open space and there was a development that was proposed in that area a few years back.

1277
02:03:31,540 --> 02:03:40,060
And I know that the fire department had weighed in on there being concerns about the water pressure and case of a fire.

1278
02:03:40,860 --> 02:03:47,860
And I do see that there was a fire recommendation at the end that was pretty basic around like just having.

1279
02:03:49,500 --> 02:03:55,280
fire sprinklers which is pretty standard but was there did that come up at all for this home

1280
02:03:55,280 --> 02:04:06,560
in terms of the water pressure issue? No. I think because they're going to be forced to

1281
02:04:06,560 --> 02:04:13,540
have fire sprinklers so in order to have fire sprinklers you have to like refit all your water

1282
02:04:13,540 --> 02:04:15,320
piping to a higher size.

1283
02:04:16,360 --> 02:04:18,480
So with the higher size, water piping, I think

1284
02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:21,640
has to be one inch, one normal, it has to be three quarters.

1285
02:04:22,560 --> 02:04:25,020
So I don't think there's going to be an issue of water.

1286
02:04:27,680 --> 02:04:30,560
Thank you for your presentation, and thank you for the answers.

1287
02:04:33,940 --> 02:04:36,120
I pass the knowledge and then move it.

1288
02:04:36,220 --> 02:04:39,200
Yeah, in terms of the water supply,

1289
02:04:40,100 --> 02:04:45,480
the problem with the development that the fire department

1290
02:04:45,480 --> 02:04:56,320
kind of shut down was the the number of houses. So that that was there was a

1291
02:04:56,320 --> 02:04:59,960
advisable development right before this is just so once you

1292
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:20,820
Yeah, there's an existing house there. And then on the upper part of that piece, there's like maybe two or three houses. So, yeah, this is going to be, this is an existing house that's got already has water supply and that's the basics.

1293
02:05:20,820 --> 02:05:22,500
Okay, Beth, please.

1294
02:05:23,940 --> 02:05:26,240
Yeah, I was just going to comment on the water.

1295
02:05:26,700 --> 02:05:31,240
When you go to one inch line, you're going to have more flow, but you might necessarily

1296
02:05:31,240 --> 02:05:32,860
not have the same pressure.

1297
02:05:33,180 --> 02:05:33,700
Good point.

1298
02:05:33,860 --> 02:05:37,460
I think that's what we were alluding to, especially for the neighborhood.

1299
02:05:38,000 --> 02:05:38,500
Good point.

1300
02:05:38,680 --> 02:05:38,940
Good point.

1301
02:05:39,900 --> 02:05:41,200
That's my only comment.

1302
02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:43,060
Okay.

1303
02:05:43,240 --> 02:05:44,400
I do have a question.

1304
02:05:45,080 --> 02:05:50,000
So, in this picture that you have where you have the big green arrow, you can be one second.

1305
02:05:54,470 --> 02:06:01,670
Yes. So can you tell, you see the picture of the roof of the house and you've got cars parked

1306
02:06:01,670 --> 02:06:06,850
in next to the house? How far out is the addition going to go? Will it take up the first row,

1307
02:06:06,970 --> 02:06:11,790
hat cars, the second row cars? I would say at least the second row cars.

1308
02:06:14,410 --> 02:06:15,590
It's pretty much,

1309
02:06:15,590 --> 02:06:27,370
If you go to the drawings where it shows elevation, I would say probably third row cars,

1310
02:06:27,850 --> 02:06:28,550
third row cars.

1311
02:06:29,130 --> 02:06:36,730
Okay, so looking at that picture, do you see that dark line going down the length of the property?

1312
02:06:36,950 --> 02:06:38,350
Is that the property line?

1313
02:06:38,530 --> 02:06:39,470
I believe so.

1314
02:06:39,470 --> 02:06:55,470
Okay, so the question I have is does this housing unit allow for for you to drive a vehicle like a pickup truck or something of a size, maybe a one time pickup truck to have access on the far side.

1315
02:06:55,470 --> 02:07:01,650
like on the looking from the street on the right side yes on the right side because on the left side

1316
02:07:01,650 --> 02:07:13,710
no I was on the right on this the short side there's not a spade yet on the right on the right side as you're standing on the

1317
02:07:13,710 --> 02:07:21,050
street you look there's a 25 foot setback on the from the building to the right side the property line

1318
02:07:21,050 --> 02:07:47,950
Yeah. Okay. I mean, I think that's our clean up for any kind of vehicle. Okay. Good. That's. That was one question I had and I was a little confused. I get about the sync situation. We ran into that 30 years ago when we added on to our house, they made us put it in a put in a bar sink instead of a kitchen sink so that we could have that.

1319
02:07:47,950 --> 02:07:59,830
So when I look at these views from, I think it's from the side looking east, where I can see the double garage door.

1320
02:08:00,390 --> 02:08:02,830
And I can see a door going in downstairs.

1321
02:08:02,910 --> 02:08:07,410
I think that leads to the interior staircase that takes you up to the top.

1322
02:08:07,410 --> 02:08:15,370
I can't really see from your, the picture of the interior.

1323
02:08:15,550 --> 02:08:17,690
How do you get on the second floor?

1324
02:08:18,230 --> 02:08:22,510
How do you get from the bedroom office area over to the kitchen?

1325
02:08:22,670 --> 02:08:25,870
The little, yes, I was looking at that myself.

1326
02:08:27,670 --> 02:08:29,590
It's a little confusing.

1327
02:08:31,030 --> 02:08:33,170
Um, give me one second,

1328
02:08:35,720 --> 02:08:36,660
it looks like

1329
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:44,200
there's a second floor landing, do you see that

1330
02:08:44,200 --> 02:08:46,460
where it says new second floor landing?

1331
02:08:48,100 --> 02:08:49,120
Um, the box.

1332
02:08:49,940 --> 02:08:50,440
I see,

1333
02:08:55,410 --> 02:08:57,870
oh back here, right here.

1334
02:08:58,250 --> 02:08:59,750
This is where it goes through.

1335
02:09:00,010 --> 02:09:04,050
Oh, this is all open, this is a door, goes through there.

1336
02:09:04,390 --> 02:09:04,930
Okay.

1337
02:09:08,270 --> 02:09:15,930
Is the intention to rent the, maybe this doesn't matter, I don't know, but to rent the 80 out as a separate thing, you don't know.

1338
02:09:15,930 --> 02:09:17,090
You can ask it.

1339
02:09:18,470 --> 02:09:19,810
I'm just curious.

1340
02:09:20,410 --> 02:09:24,990
Are you going to use the ADU as an ADU for the future?

1341
02:09:25,810 --> 02:09:26,070
Okay.

1342
02:09:26,510 --> 02:09:29,110
That's what I was trying to do in my house, too, for an in-law.

1343
02:09:34,130 --> 02:09:38,670
I think that's all I have. I was just concerned about access to the back and you're right

1344
02:09:38,670 --> 02:09:41,570
if I'd read it more closely, I would have known.

1345
02:09:43,690 --> 02:09:49,110
And the parking when I went there today, there was no parking. I had to park up a street to

1346
02:09:49,110 --> 02:09:55,470
the side, up a street to the side and ordered and then walked down. And then cross the street

1347
02:09:55,470 --> 02:09:59,830
right where the hill was, I was really thinking I was going to get taken out by somebody flying

1348
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:18,300
So I know that that kind of thing is tough. So hopefully, one thing I noticed that three car garages, really a four car garage, right, because it's stacked parking. So really it's four cars is from what I can tell from the design.

1349
02:10:18,300 --> 02:10:25,820
the vehicle also. Well, yeah, but okay. And then, and then in that 25 feet across, you can park

1350
02:10:25,820 --> 02:10:31,080
other vehicles. Yeah, exactly. Well, I was just going to say, if they're having a, if they're having

1351
02:10:31,080 --> 02:10:37,060
a party or something, they could probably have people just go on that 25 foot part, even park in the

1352
02:10:37,060 --> 02:10:42,140
backyard and park around. Yeah, park out in the back. Yeah, you know, I think I think it's sort of

1353
02:10:42,140 --> 02:10:48,120
a circus tense for the big party. Yeah, I got it. Okay. I'll let it drop. Thank you. Okay. Thank you

1354
02:10:48,120 --> 02:10:53,220
the presentation now, is there any public comment on this item?

1355
02:10:56,300 --> 02:10:57,620
Did you fill out a card?

1356
02:11:01,370 --> 02:11:01,970
Kathy Langley?

1357
02:11:25,380 --> 02:11:29,840
Three, two, four, seven, D Street is at historic property.

1358
02:11:31,380 --> 02:11:35,700
It was owned by the brochards and it's a beautiful building.

1359
02:11:36,400 --> 02:11:40,200
My concern is are you going to beat knocking out walls,

1360
02:11:42,320 --> 02:11:45,200
reconfiguring the property in a severe

1361
02:11:45,200 --> 02:11:45,900
way?

1362
02:11:45,900 --> 02:11:50,520
It's my understanding in conversation with Michael Fleming

1363
02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:56,580
that this home is owned by a trust

1364
02:11:57,440 --> 02:12:00,340
and owned by a very high-end architect.

1365
02:12:04,640 --> 02:12:12,280
It appears to be a rental home, but I'm suspect that why would they pay a high-end architect

1366
02:12:12,280 --> 02:12:21,400
like Ms. Yang to reconfigure the property and that let it be a rental property,

1367
02:12:24,290 --> 02:12:24,430
doesn't

1368
02:12:24,430 --> 02:12:33,930
make sense to me. In addition, I'm suspect that the property below or west that they

1369
02:12:33,930 --> 02:12:43,030
own will be developed one day. So I see this as adding up to a very complicated situation

1370
02:12:43,030 --> 02:12:50,110
in the future which we can't predict. But that being said, the number of cars for four bedroom

1371
02:12:50,110 --> 02:12:57,410
can be up to three cars per bedroom. That would be 12 cars. The number of parking places that they

1372
02:12:57,410 --> 02:13:04,690
have would not be adequate. That overflow would go onto the street, which above that house is at a

1373
02:13:04,690 --> 02:13:11,850
care, and ambulances go up there at least three times a week. I live on Mod Avenue near

1374
02:13:11,850 --> 02:13:18,610
D Street, and they would be obstructed from helping those people. If there was a situation

1375
02:13:18,610 --> 02:13:24,030
where evacuation were required up there, the ambulances would not be able to get to those people.

1376
02:13:31,280 --> 02:13:37,240
I'm concerned about the equipment and how it will damage that upper portion of D Street,

1377
02:13:37,240 --> 02:13:42,060
which is a very endangered area in terms of asphalt.

1378
02:13:51,160 --> 02:13:54,620
So I'd like to know if that secondary lot would be involved.

1379
02:13:55,680 --> 02:13:57,220
Thank you.

1380
02:13:57,820 --> 02:13:59,920
What are you calling a secondary lot?

1381
02:14:02,480 --> 02:14:07,520
The land west of the home is quite large.

1382
02:14:08,220 --> 02:14:10,300
So that's what you're calling a secondary lot.

1383
02:14:10,840 --> 02:14:11,380
Yeah, okay.

1384
02:14:11,740 --> 02:14:14,140
It's still part of three, two, four, seven, D street.

1385
02:14:14,140 --> 02:14:23,260
But it is undeveloped at this point, and I'm just suspect that this is going to be something we will see come up in the future.

1386
02:14:23,560 --> 02:14:26,340
So that lower property carries the same address.

1387
02:14:34,020 --> 02:14:38,440
So it sounds like really the property that we're talking about is all of that property.

1388
02:14:39,000 --> 02:14:40,280
It's all too far away.

1389
02:14:45,120 --> 02:14:50,540
Well, but not if it includes that second block that goes back, then it's a lot more.

1390
02:14:50,540 --> 02:14:59,820
Color, you're on the line. You have three minutes, Brenda. Hi, I wanted to say that Kathy Langley has just made my point.

1391
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:26,680
About taking public comments before the Board has the opportunity to question the applicant, because this, her question should have been asked in your questions and answers. We can't speak directly to the presenter. That's why public comments must be taken before the Board's comments to the applicant, because you see we don't have a Q&A with them.

1392
02:15:26,680 --> 02:15:29,640
And I think you've already closed your comments.

1393
02:15:29,880 --> 02:15:34,400
I hope not because I don't have a comment about this in particular.

1394
02:15:35,220 --> 02:15:42,580
I just have a comment about the spirit of public comments being done in order.

1395
02:15:43,340 --> 02:15:51,460
So they can be inclusive in what you ask and get answers for your community.

1396
02:15:51,460 --> 02:15:58,480
So, I just thank you, Kathy, what she said should be, I guess you'll have to ask questions

1397
02:15:58,480 --> 02:16:09,920
on her behalf now because by the way, the Brown Act refers to state and local ordinances,

1398
02:16:10,060 --> 02:16:13,940
general code ordinances that have been in place for years.

1399
02:16:13,960 --> 02:16:19,880
The Brown Act's requirement to have these public comments before or during the board deliberation

1400
02:16:21,280 --> 02:16:36,280
is ancient. It's not something invented by the Brown Act. So please, I have nothing to say about that other than I hope that you can circle back to the applicant and ask Ms. Lightly's question. Thank you.

1401
02:16:39,830 --> 02:16:44,250
Call her. You're on the line. You have three minutes. Helen? Yes. Hi.

1402
02:16:45,330 --> 02:16:54,410
Can you hear me? Yes. Okay. I'm not sure who recently spoke on the podium, but she has a very incorrect information.

1403
02:16:55,950 --> 02:17:04,390
I am not an owner of that property and as far as I'm concerned that property is not historically significant.

1404
02:17:04,390 --> 02:17:08,070
If there are any documents, please provide that.

1405
02:17:08,610 --> 02:17:15,470
And also, Crescent revealed the owner does not own the adjacent property that she speaks of.

1406
02:17:16,670 --> 02:17:19,970
And Crescent revealed trust.

1407
02:17:20,190 --> 02:17:27,110
You can have any property that's deemed trust, and that does not mean that he is renting.

1408
02:17:27,850 --> 02:17:32,390
He owns that property, him and his wife and their young son own their property.

1409
02:17:32,390 --> 02:17:55,750
And they have outgrown their small modest home, and they wanted to turn that lower floor unit into an ADU for future housing, affordable housing, and turn the upstairs unit so that their young growing family can enjoy that home.

1410
02:17:55,750 --> 02:18:02,190
And I'm not understanding how she came up with the calculation that one bedroom equals three parking.

1411
02:18:02,650 --> 02:18:10,070
I've been an architect and working in the state of California for a very long time and that is the first time I've heard of it.

1412
02:18:11,010 --> 02:18:18,670
So I would like the council members to look into her accusations and correct it please.

1413
02:18:19,310 --> 02:18:20,210
Thank you.

1414
02:18:28,990 --> 02:18:30,870
I have no digital speakers for the side

1415
02:18:33,240 --> 02:18:34,760
of.

1416
02:18:34,760 --> 02:19:01,940
Sorry chair. Just to address the comment about public comment. Yes. You are doing the right thing. You are taking public comment during deliberation. If something comes up during public comment. You can always ask staff or the applicant to come back to the podium and answer. We do not do as you know back and forth between public comment and staff. But you are in the correct.

1417
02:19:03,980 --> 02:19:17,160
Thank you. And I think earlier this evening, we did in fact ask our presenters questions that we're coming up during public comments. I feel like we're covering our bases on that.

1418
02:19:17,680 --> 02:19:22,580
Thank you. Thank you everybody who stood up for public comment. I appreciate that.

1419
02:19:26,490 --> 02:19:27,150
Yes, Vanessa.

1420
02:19:27,150 --> 02:19:38,870
Yeah, I just based on Kathy's comments. I just wanted to clarify in question. So my understanding is that the property that is right. What would that be? South.

1421
02:19:39,550 --> 02:19:40,930
No, you, West.

1422
02:19:43,810 --> 02:19:44,410
Downhill.

1423
02:19:44,930 --> 02:19:45,290
Yes, West.

1424
02:19:46,270 --> 02:19:53,910
Downhill. I mean, I, I, the sun comes up over here. The sun comes up over here. So that's east.

1425
02:19:53,910 --> 02:19:59,970
It's gotta be south. Pretty sure it's south, but if you're going up, D, it's the first-

1426
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:28,080
First property that's empty, and then you have the property in question. When I heard Kathy saying, I want to understand, is that that empty lot that opens up into a much larger empty lot behind further back. That's the property that I believe was part of this developmental potential development years ago.

1427
02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:42,560
And so what I'm hearing is that now, the open lot right along D, just underneath the property and question, is also owned by the same owner.

1428
02:20:44,060 --> 02:20:57,120
Okay, so because what I was hearing then is like then there was potential for additional development beyond what you're proposing right now, but you don't own that land.

1429
02:20:58,380 --> 02:21:00,660
Do you have intention of owning that lens?

1430
02:21:01,260 --> 02:21:02,780
Okay, no, I'm sorry, back and forth, sorry.

1431
02:21:03,440 --> 02:21:07,340
Okay, so that was what I was trying to get clarity on.

1432
02:21:07,380 --> 02:21:09,240
Thank you.

1433
02:21:09,580 --> 02:21:12,800
And thank you for asking the question because me too.

1434
02:21:13,760 --> 02:21:16,180
So, where am I?

1435
02:21:16,520 --> 02:21:17,660
Do you have any comment?

1436
02:21:18,080 --> 02:21:18,500
No, no.

1437
02:21:18,700 --> 02:21:20,480
Okay, do you have anything else?

1438
02:21:20,880 --> 02:21:22,740
Chris, do you have anything else?

1439
02:21:28,090 --> 02:21:34,410
And frankly, because they have the property behind and they have access to the property behind,

1440
02:21:34,890 --> 02:21:36,470
they can park back there.

1441
02:21:37,490 --> 02:21:39,770
So they really given the size of that parcel.

1442
02:21:39,770 --> 02:21:46,430
They have practically unlimited parking for this single family home.

1443
02:21:46,430 --> 02:21:53,290
And is there direct access between the ADE portion

1444
02:21:53,290 --> 02:21:58,110
and the family home portion in interior?

1445
02:21:58,410 --> 02:21:59,170
Interior?

1446
02:22:00,250 --> 02:22:03,770
That's staircase goes, oh, because it's behind the front door.

1447
02:22:04,290 --> 02:22:05,170
OK, got it.

1448
02:22:05,330 --> 02:22:06,410
Thank you.

1449
02:22:07,730 --> 02:22:11,510
If there's nothing further, can I entertain a motion

1450
02:22:11,510 --> 02:22:13,890
concerning this request?

1451
02:22:17,120 --> 02:22:17,420
Anyone?

1452
02:22:18,640 --> 02:22:23,960
I'll, I'll move to approve. Assimited.

1453
02:22:24,420 --> 02:22:26,700
Assimited. Okay. Do I have a second?

1454
02:22:27,840 --> 02:22:32,380
I'll second that. All right. We have a first and a second. Is there any further discussion

1455
02:22:32,380 --> 02:22:33,700
amongst the panel?

1456
02:22:36,360 --> 02:22:38,760
All right. May we take a roll call, please?

1457
02:22:39,340 --> 02:22:43,820
Council Member Farmer. Yes. Council Member Higgins.

1458
02:22:43,820 --> 02:22:44,960
All right.

1459
02:22:45,000 --> 02:22:46,200
Vice chair Roads.

1460
02:22:47,120 --> 02:22:47,860
Chair Filbin.

1461
02:22:48,200 --> 02:22:48,360
Hi.

1462
02:22:48,840 --> 02:22:49,300
Approved.

1463
02:22:51,060 --> 02:22:51,280
All right.

1464
02:22:51,460 --> 02:22:54,480
So we have an approval on that item.

1465
02:22:54,580 --> 02:22:55,980
Thank you very much.

1466
02:22:56,680 --> 02:22:57,460
And next.

1467
02:22:58,920 --> 02:23:00,360
Let me get my agenda out here.

1468
02:23:00,460 --> 02:23:02,280
I think it's the chair report next.

1469
02:23:08,520 --> 02:23:08,840
Okay.

1470
02:23:16,660 --> 02:23:17,020
All right.

1471
02:23:17,120 --> 02:23:20,280
So do I ask for public comment after I make my comments?

1472
02:23:20,780 --> 02:23:21,760
Is that what I do?

1473
02:23:22,360 --> 02:23:22,640
Yes.

1474
02:23:22,760 --> 02:23:24,380
You will give your chair's report.

1475
02:23:24,380 --> 02:23:29,360
if you have one and then you will open it up for public comment and then close it.

1476
02:23:29,720 --> 02:23:36,300
Okay. So my chair report is frankly just my standard. Please mark your calendars for

1477
02:23:37,120 --> 02:23:43,120
November. I hope it's the eighthest stuck in my head for the annual veterans event

1478
02:23:43,120 --> 02:23:48,620
up at Lone Tree Cemetery starting at 1 o'clock. We would love to see you and your families there.

1479
02:23:50,460 --> 02:24:07,800
If there are items that you would like to see brought before the Fairview Municipal Advisory Council, please get in touch with Ashley and let her know or if you have general concerns about things going on in the community, you can get in touch with any of the council members here today.

1480
02:24:07,800 --> 02:24:13,560
That's my report. Is there any public comment on my report?

1481
02:24:20,240 --> 02:24:21,360
Yes, I have one speaker.

1482
02:24:24,530 --> 02:24:26,970
Coeur, you're on the line where I'm shares report.

1483
02:24:28,830 --> 02:24:30,710
Hi, everyone, Bob Coeur.

1484
02:24:30,930 --> 02:24:31,410
Fairview.

1485
02:24:31,610 --> 02:24:35,410
Just wanted to mention, as I was talking about public events,

1486
02:24:36,150 --> 02:24:38,930
the Fairview Fire District hasn't opened house coming up.

1487
02:24:40,090 --> 02:24:43,930
As they do every year, September the 16th

1488
02:24:43,930 --> 02:24:50,550
from three o'clock to seven o'clock and that will be at fire station number eight five

1489
02:24:51,910 --> 02:24:57,390
gangens and that's a great event for children as well as adults and community

1490
02:24:57,390 --> 02:24:59,490
members. Thank you.

1491
02:25:00,240 --> 02:25:17,120
Oh, thank you for that. Um, because I'll be there. Thank you so much. Is there any other public comment? No. Okay, then I am closing public comment. I will move on to our council members. If you have any comments, I'll start with Beth.

1492
02:25:17,120 --> 02:25:20,860
other than the open house, no. Okay, and Vanessa.

1493
02:25:23,110 --> 02:25:25,170
Two quick things. One is

1494
02:25:25,170 --> 02:25:31,430
hooray. We got lines on upper D. Did I really see it? So awesome. We know when the

1495
02:25:31,430 --> 02:25:36,830
bump is coming now. So yay, thank you Public Works. And then also just wanted to

1496
02:25:36,830 --> 02:25:41,630
note, I know that Officer Paps did bring this up at the public comment in the

1497
02:25:41,630 --> 02:25:47,470
beginning, that they are doing kind of more enforcement around the schools and

1498
02:25:47,470 --> 02:25:51,470
They have been doing enforcement around fair view elementary, which has been very helpful.

1499
02:25:51,690 --> 02:26:00,270
I wanted to commend their efforts and continue to encourage all of us drivers out there driving around schools to be careful and safe.

1500
02:26:02,350 --> 02:26:04,870
Thank you. Can I ask Chris before I open comment?

1501
02:26:05,490 --> 02:26:12,450
You can take all council comments and then do public comment once you guys are okay. Chris, do you have anything?

1502
02:26:12,450 --> 02:26:18,070
Yeah, well, maybe we could like for some future meeting,

1503
02:26:20,550 --> 02:26:28,870
open up consideration about why our specific plan is attached to the Eden general plan.

1504
02:26:29,930 --> 02:26:33,650
I mean, it just, it doesn't make, there's no logic to it.

1505
02:26:34,430 --> 02:26:38,210
And, and it was done with no public input.

1506
02:26:38,990 --> 02:26:49,290
Okay, thank you. I will put that on the list and we'll chat about that. I would now like to open public comment on any of the comments made by the council.

1507
02:26:52,400 --> 02:26:55,280
I have no speakers. Are there any speakers in the room?

1508
02:26:56,060 --> 02:27:01,820
With that, I will close public comment and ask if there is anything from staff.

1509
02:27:02,680 --> 02:27:04,180
Nothing from staff.

1510
02:27:05,400 --> 02:27:09,460
Okay, may I have public comment on the staff report, please?

1511
02:27:09,460 --> 02:27:18,680
No speakers. No speakers. No speakers in the room. Then I will close public comment and guess what we are adjourned