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» Good morning. I'd like to welcome
everyone to the Albany County regular

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meeting of of the county commissioners
for September 1st, 2026.

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Uh, first item of business is um call to
order and roll call. Commissioner Gozar

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» here.
>> Commissioner Hoff

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» here.
>> Commissioner Jones present. Please stand

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and join me in the pledge of allegiance.
I pledge algiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.

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» Thank you.

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Item three, we have a public hearing
and it's for the Curry zoning district

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amendment application ZDA-03-26.

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Would anyone like to make public comment
on the Caduri zoning district amendment

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application?

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Terry, come on up.

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commissioners. Uh
I'm Carrie Grezer. Uh I have known the

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Gdoris since they came to town and their
son came to basic beginnings.

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» Um in addition to that, they're my
neighbors and uh in addition to that,

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they are my landlords.
I feel that I was fortunate enough to be

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one of the folks that was
uh able to get into the business part

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that they've built down on Skyline.
I believe them to be uh very

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experienced and sophisticated business
folks and I believe that if they are

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uh asking for this zoning change they
have very good reasons. I've seen in the

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business park that they built new
businesses come to Laramie, businesses

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expand in Laramie and
I believe it's probably good for Alman

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County and I know how much they've
invested in Al County. Thank you.

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» Thank you, Carrie.
>> Would anyone like else like to make

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public comment? Katie, come on up.

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» Uh, good morning, commissioners.
>> My name is Katie Ogden. I live at 4433

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Soldier Springs Road. I also submitted
written comment. Um,

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from my perspective, I think that the
zoning request warrants pretty careful

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consideration. Uh, I have concerns with
regard to traffic, especially turning on

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and off Soldier Springs Road. I
understand that there are plans for this

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to be RV and boat storage in addition
to, I presume, business space. Uh, I

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think that the left turn in the 55 mph
zone should be examined pretty

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carefully. Um, I also think that the
it's an inongruous land use. The rest of

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the area, I understand that there are
two small parcels on either side of the

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property that are currently zone
commercial, but the rest of it is

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residential and agricultural. Um, and I
don't necessarily think that it aligns

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with the goals of the Alb County growth
plan. And I think it's important that we

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do undertake strategic growth that
aligns with the plans that you know were

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discussed and publicly adopted and so
forth. Um generally speaking I think

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there are lots better places for this.
Uh I don't disagree with development in

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the broader sense. I just don't
necessarily think that this is the right

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place for this. I think zoning
regulations are in place for a reason

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and serve an important purpose um and
should not be you know set aside at

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every request. Uh, I also observed some
staff comments on the application that

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noted that it was an inongruous land use
and that it did not comply with the

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growth plan. Um, and I generally agree
with the planning and zoning zoning

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commission's decision to not recommend
approval of the zoning change. Um, but

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yes, I think that the traffic concern
should definitely be looked at more

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carefully and potentially addressed if
there's to be commercial development on

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that road. Um, it's already a little bit
of a problem. the left turns into Spur

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Ridge which are in a lower speed limit
zone than the 55 mph. Um we have you

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know a lot a lot of residential traffic
up and down Soldier Springs and it would

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be wise to widen it and put in a left
turn lane if we were to consider

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commercial development in what is almost
exclusively a residential area. The two

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pieces that are zone commercial also
don't generate a lot of traffic like KOB

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has one car in and out per day. um the
old that was a motel. It's why you know

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a hundred years ago when Soldier Springs
was the primary southbound artery. Uh

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that's not actually an operating
business. It's a purely residential

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facility where the Arcs live. Um so I
think the notion of surrounding

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commercial development justifying the
resoning is, you know, a little bit

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misleading. Um,
and I would just like to express my

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overall concern for zoning changes in
what is generally rural, residential,

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and agricultural areas.
So that's all. Thank you.

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» Thank you, Katie.

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» Would anyone Yes. Go on up.
>> You just state your name.

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» Yes. My name is Corbin Ditz. I own Arrow
Works, which is a business in the

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Skyline Business Park. I'm also a recent
graduate of the University of Wyoming

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College of Business and what I've come
to find um being in Laramie it's been

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really hard for our business to be able
to grow with whether it's you know

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university business space or other
business spaces really out of most price

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ranges when I consult and work with a
lot of other you know young businesses

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young companies and young founders it's
hard to find a space in Larmy to

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actually kind of grow and I think as a
as a state when we're talking about you

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know a mass exodus of students after
they graduate or they

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I think this is a a primary reason for
that is not being able to truly find

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space to be able to grow and work inside
the place that they really want to call

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home. Everyone that I've been fortunate
enough to hire and and uh work with has

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has loved Lar. They'd love to stay in
LA, but a lot of the times these these

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offices or these places are built for
other reasons and a lot of these, you

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know, young founders can't find a place
that either fits their needs or that is

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within their price range. And I think
for us it was an absolute godsend to be

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able to find one of them before they
before they filled up. And I was talking

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to Dr. Dur. I was like, "How much space
do you have?" Cuz we need as much as you

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can possibly give us. And he's like,
"Well, we got two little spaces here."

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And so, um, you know, over the last two
months or so, it's been an absolute, you

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know, pleasure to be able to work with
him, too. An absolutely amazing

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landlord. Really lets us build the space
to what fits us. And uh and there's

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really nothing else like that in Laramie
that's that's reasonable um and actually

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workable for our needs. Either a lot of
them need heavy upkeep, you have to

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purchase upfront, or the the square
footage cost is just too high or the

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building's too outdated, doesn't have
proper hookups and stuff. And working

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with Dr. Curry, being able to really do
whatever. And so I think with this new,

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you know, being able to reszone it, I
think would be extremely beneficial for

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not only the the county but also this,
you know, city and state to be able to

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keep a lot of these residents here if we
eventually build buildings, but also for

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people to be able to store and continue
to work in Alb County. Thank you.

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» What's your business name?
>> Arrow Works.

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» Is that a E R O W KS? Thank you so much.
Anyone

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else like to make public uh comment in
the public hearing? Yes, come on up.

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» Hi, Tony Whitman. Um I'm here
representing Eminem Repair. Um we're a

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small mechanic shop. We do part-time
after hours and weekends. My husband has

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a full-time job as well. Um, and I'm
also a volunteer on a couple of

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nonprofits, so that takes up a lot of my
time. Um, but definitely this space,

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we've been in business for about three
years, and we were downtown um by the

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car wash, and they raised our rent
double to what it had been, which made

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it impossible to stay in business there.
Um, so were it not for this space, we

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would no longer be in business. And we
do do a lot of community service,

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helping people that couldn't otherwise
afford to have their cars repaired. Um,

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so I really would like to see you
reszone this and allow him to create

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more space for businesses like ours.
>> Just to be clear, you're in the skyline.

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» We are.
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first in there after we got it built.
>> Very good. [clears throat]

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» Thank you.
>> Anyone else like to make public comment?

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Right. Come on up, Tom.
>> I'm Tom Paris. I own Go Plumbing. Um I

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have a building on Grand Avenue, but
storage space is limited. Um I have a

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unit in the Skyline Park with Dr.
Kaduri. Um which has opened up a a whole

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new world for us. Um I think one of the
biggest concerns of the community right

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now is cost of living on it. Um, as the
previous speaker stated, um, a small

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business being able to get into
operation has become incredibly

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difficult in Larmy. Um, the city council
has made it very difficult on small

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businesses. Um, I know for anybody
that's atheist or agnostic, we have

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settled that debate. The state supreme
court has told us that the University of

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Wyoming is in fact God on it. But it's
the small businesses. It's the small

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businesses that employ more people than
the University of Wyoming, more people

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than the cement factory. And so I think
that the commissioners need to view this

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as an opportunity to incentivize
small businesses in Larmy. November 3rd

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is coming up very quickly and at least
in my opinion I think that the vote is

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going to swing. People don't like paying
taxes. I don't nobody is is excited

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about it. At the point in time that the
property tax passes and they reduce

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residential taxes.
By my mathematic calculations, you're

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looking at a decrease of around $600,000
in revenue in counting revenue. Have I

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don't know if you guys have looked at
how you're going to make that up on it.

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Costs are continuing to rise. Costs of
employment, all the costs are rising.

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You're looking at a huge, huge deficit
on it. This is a means of taking a

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property that is currently sitting
vacant and turning it into more revenue

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for the county. It's simple mathematics.
As far as traffic pattern, it was not

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that many years ago and none of you were
on the board at that time when at the

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end of Vista Drive,
you passed it to reszone it so that they

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could have heavy equipment going over
the only bridge in that area to get to

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that entire area. and it was reszoned so
that there could be houses and business

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with heavy construction equipment going
across that road. That's the only

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entrance in and out that entire
[clears throat] area. So, I think that

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if that can be allowed, I really don't
see traffic pattern as being a problem.

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these the the area right now, the park
that he has does not have that much

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traffic in and out of that area
whatsoever. So, you're talking about

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taking a vacant chunk of property and
allowing it to become something useful

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that will produce revenue to help fund
what is currently taking place and what

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will be taking place after the November
3rd ballot election. And so, I think

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it's really a simple matter of
mathematics on it. I also don't believe

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uh speaking with Caduri that this entire
area is being turned into nothing but a

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business park. He's also looking at
being able to potentially have some

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residential houses with people being
able to have a business right next door

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to their house which is already taking
place in other places of Albany County

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to incentivize small business use of
properties. And so I would I would I

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would beg I would plead um with you to
please make mathematical sense of this

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because if we don't find another way if
you three don't find another way to

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increase revenue then there's only one
simple answer for it and that's going to

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be that the other properties the rental
properties that aren't going to be part

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of the tax ballot the business
properties that are not part of the tax

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ballot. You're going to have to increase
taxes on all of those places in order to

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meet your shortfall. That means that the
cost of living for everybody here in

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Larmy is going to skyrocket on it. The
rental prices that people are already

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complaining about,
you have no other choice. Where else are

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you going to get the funding other than
increasing the taxes on the people that

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aren't included in the November 3rd
ballot on it? Um, cost of living is is

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probably one of the biggest issues for
the people of Albany County right now,

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if not for the entire United States.
My personal experience with this,

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I'm able to purchase more items when
they're available at a cheaper price

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because I have the storage space now
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[clears throat]
to get into a unit with Dr. Kaduri that

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allows me to charge customers less.
So if there's a little old lady that's

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sitting there that needs a water heater
replaced and can't afford it at regular

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prices,
I'm able to do it for less money because

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I was able to use the storage facility
to stock it with items that I could buy

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at a lower cost on. And so I think for I
I would beg for your consideration of

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the general public and how much Dr.
Caduri and these units have helped the

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entire county of Albany County. Thank
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» Thank you very much, Tom.
>> Mr. Ferris, there is no we have no

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ability to raise taxes on businesses
that that's not something this board can

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do. So, I just want to let you know
>> I'm just on on property taxes. I'm

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saying that I I'm certain that behind
closed doors that the three of you have

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already discussed what you can do with
spending, what's going to happen with

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spending.
>> No, sir. We we don't discuss anything

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behind closed doors.
>> Yeah. And and we don't have the ability

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to raise taxes. So, if that initiative
passes, you'll have to find $600,000 in

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cuts or maybe more than that. Yeah. So I
think there's that understanding needs

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to be out there because we do not have
the ability to raise it would be put on

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balance just like the six cent tax is
put on balance and the people who are

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working people who are working don't
make it to vote on it are the ones who

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are going to pay for it by the other
people tired people who are able to pay

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» Can we clear this up right now? Yeah.
the county will lose $600,000 in

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services.
>> That's that's how that works.

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» It's money that doesn't go back into the
community.

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» The county will be looking for a way to
increase that.

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» No, the county will probably be looking
for projects that we can tax like wind

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turbines and data centers because we did
there's already counties in Wyoming that

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are having to turn.
>> We're not going to put data centers.

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» We're not we're probably not going to
put data centers in there. I'm just

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telling you that's the reality. That's
just the quick down and dirty.

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Like it or not, that's the counties have
very narrow guard rails on how they can

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collect money. Um, we don't enjoy the
same fees structure that the city has.

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» No. And with the university continuing
to buy properties that used to produce,

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» not arguing with
>> property tax,

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» you don't get one ounce of argument
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I've argued for a long time that
actually our state legislators need to

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ask for subsidy. Calvin County to offset
what the university is doing to us.

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» Yeah,
>> be a very simple answer.

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» Katie,
>> I just have like a I guess what I view

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as a
quick point of clarification for my own

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understanding, which is to say we're not
going to solve

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revenue shortages based on the zoning
change of one property. And I don't and

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I also understand the argument for any
development on vacant land. It generates

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more property taxes than having vacant
land. I get that too. Uh we have lots of

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vacant existing commercially zoned
actively for sale property in Albany

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County. And I don't think that
reszoning questions should come down to

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exclusively,
you know, the net benefit of another

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development in an already zoned
commercial area. Like I'm not opposed to

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commercial development. I'm not opposed
to broadening the tax base. I'm not

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opposed to any of that. It's just I
think the question before the

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commissioners is whether or not this
particular zon resoning application is

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appropriate, not whether or not
development is good. Like we all agree

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that development is good. We all agree
that more opportunity for small

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businesses is good. We all agree to
that. It's just whether or not this

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particular development is appropriately
placed based upon long-term planning

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initiatives and the impact to the public
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I think it's wrongheaded to approach it
by saying if you don't approve this

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zoning application, you know, such and
such and such harm will befall the

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entire population of Albony County. It's
a bit hyp it's it's hyperbolic

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in my opinion.
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» madame chair and commissioners. Good
morning. My name is Dr. Vijaya Kodori.

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I'm the property owner and applicant for
ZDA 0326 and I respectfully ask you to

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approve the zoning amendment for our
property at 1437 Rosedale Road. I

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personally attended the planning and
zoning meeting. I appreciate the time

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the commission spent on this application
including the concerns raised by the

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planning and zoning members and our
neighbors. I believe the discussion

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identified three central questions. How
should the Larmy growth area plan apply

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to this property? Is commercial zoning
appropriate in this particular location?

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And does resoning all the 57s create too
much uncertaintity about what could

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happen here in the future?
Those are legitimate questions. I would

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like to address each of them directly.
First, we respect the Larami growth area

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plan. We are not asking you to disregard
it. It is an important longrange

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planning document, but I respectfully
ask the board to use the plan as

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guidance for thoughtful decision making
together with the actual circumstances

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of this property and the county's
existing zoning review process. At the

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planning and zoning hearing, there was
significant discussion that the Larami

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growth area plan contemplated further
implementation including an

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intergovernmental agreement, additional
regulations and more detailed

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application of the conceptual land use
map. That implementation has not been

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completed.
I'm not saying that makes the LMI growth

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area plan irrelevant. I'm saying that a
conceptual estate residential

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designation should not by itself
automatically determine the outcome of

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an individual resoning application when
the county's own professional staff has

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completed a parcel specific analysis and
recommended approval. Staff also

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explained that under the property's
present zoning, this average could

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potentially be divided into
approximately 11 lots and indicated that

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such development would not itself
accomplish the residential pattern

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contemplated by the growth area plan. So
simply denying this application and

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leaving today's zoning in place does not
automatically implement the LAR growth

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area plan vision either. That is why I
ask you to look at this property, this

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location, and this record.
Albani County Planning Staff recommended

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approval of ZDA 0326.
Staff reviewed compatibility, roads,

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public services, environmental
considerations, surrounding development,

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and the growth area plan. Their
conclusion was that this application

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represents a logical extension of
existing commercial development rather

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than an isolated commercial use. The
property has direct access to the paved

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county maintained road. Road and bridge
said the impact on county roads would be

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small. Pi district number one considered
the project well thought out. The

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Wyoming Department of Transportation
raised no objection. Wyoming Game and

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Fish identified no crucial habitat issue
and provided ordinary recommendations

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concerning fencing and invasive species.
No reviewing agency identified an impact

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that makes responsible development of
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There was also discussion at planning
and zoning suggesting that approximately

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78% of this surrounding land was
residential or agricultural. We went

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back and looked carefully at the
identified properties specifically along

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Soldier Springs Road. I have provided
the parcel information and zoning map

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exhibit for you to look at. Among the
identified Soldier Spring Roads

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properties in our analysis,
approximately 77% of the aces is already

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zoned commercial.
This property is not creating a

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commercial island in the middle of an
untouched residential area. It lies

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within an area that already contains a
significant mix of commercial,

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residential, and other uses. There is
also real evidence of demand, not simply

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a projection. Last year, this board
approved the zoning change for Skyline

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Business Park. We are grateful for that
decision because today there is a

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measurable result. I have also presented
an exhibit for your kind review.

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In approximately 11 months, Skyline
reached 100% occupancy with

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approximately 74,600
square ft leased to 19 local businesses

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who already moved in and are operating.
We continue to receive [snorts]

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inquiries from the businesses looking
for space. That experience demonstrates

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genuine demand in Albany County for
practical commercial and storage space.

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Our intended use at 1437 Rosedale is
comparatively low inensity enclosed flex

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storage space and dry storage for RVs
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This is not an RV campground. This there
will be no RV sewage dumping operation.

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Our intention is to develop only a
limited portion initially while

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respecting drainage areas, setbacks,
buffering, fire requirements, access

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requirements and applicable
environmental standards. We are planning

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to leave most of the northeast parcel
undeveloped because of the low elevation

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and naturally existing creek. I also
heard planning and zoning's broader

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concern very clearly. If all 57 acres
become commercial, what could a future

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owner do someday? That is a fair
concern. Zoning runs with the land. And

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I understand that my personal intentions
cannot be the only basis for your

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decision.
If the breadth of future commercial uses

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across all 57 acres is the remaining
obstacle to approval, we are willing to

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work with planning staff and county
council on any legally available and

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enforcable solution. If county staff
determine that a smaller commercial

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area, subdivision facing appropriate
limitations or another legally

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permissible mechanism better address
that concern, we are willing to pursue

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that path. I would much rather solve the
board's legitimate concern than have an

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otherwise supportable project denied
because of a hypothetical future use

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that we are not proposing.
We also listen carefully to our

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neighbors regarding drainage and
groundwater. We will follow professional

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engineering requirements and protect the
drainage area identified on the

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property. Regarding wildlife and weeds,
we will follow the recommendations from

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Wyoming Game and Fish and the
Conservation District. Regarding septic

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and RV waste, again, this is a dry
storage, not a dump station. Regarding

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the neighboring KOB radio towers, we
take that concern seriously before

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construction that could potentially
affect the station. We are willing to

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obtain appropriate professional
engineering review and work with the

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station and the county to address any
legitimate technical issue. That is how

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we intend to approach every concern
raised about this development with

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evidence, professionals and solutions,
not assumptions. I also heard the

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concern that Albany County needs
housing. I agree that housing is

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important but the question today is not
whether Albany County needs housing in

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general. The question is what
constitutes appropriate land use for

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this particular property considering its
location, road access, surrounding uses

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and the evidence in this record.
Commissioners, I respect the

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recommendation made by planning and
zoning, but you now have the

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responsibility to look at the complete
record and make your own decision. The

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record before you contain several
important facts. Your professional

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planning staff recommended approval. The
agency reviews identified no

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unmanageable impact. There is
substantial existing commercial zoning

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along this corridor. There is
demonstrated demand for this type of

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space. Our proposed use is relatively
low intensity and we are willing to

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address the concern about the breadth of
the 57 acre commercial zoning through

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legally enforcable measures that county
staff and council determine or

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appropriate.
I'm not asking you to choose between

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responsible planning and responsible
private development. I'm asking you to

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accomplish both. Respect the growth area
of land, protect our neighbors, protect

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drainage and wildlife, protect
appropriate safeguards, and allow

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reasonable development where your own
professional review supports it.

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Last year, this board gave us an
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Today, the results speak for themselves.
That space is fully occupied by local

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businesses that are working, growing,
employing people, and serving this

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community. It has created opportunities
not only for those businesses but also

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for the local plumbers, electricians,
heating technicians, garage door

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companies, contractors and other trades
that helped build and continue to

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support them. Most importantly, these
businesses and that economic activity

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are staying right here in Albani County.
Commissioners, we have already shown you

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what we do with an opportunity. We
invest, we follow through, and we create

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something our community actually uses.
Today, we are not asking you to take a

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chance on a promise. Our track record is
already in front of you. We are simply

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asking for the opportunity to
responsibly meet a need that Albani

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County businesses have already
demonstrated. I respectfully ask you to

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vote vote yes on ZD80326.
Thank you very much for your time and

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consideration.
>> Thank you very much. Would

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anyone else like to make comment for the
public hearing?

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» Madam Chair, I move that we close the
Kaduri zoning district amendment

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application ZDA-03-26
public hearing. Second.

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» All those in favor?
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» I. Motion carries.
Item four. Do we have any comments from

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the public?
>> Could I speak?

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» Yes, please.
Madam Chair and Commissioners, um I just

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wanted to come forward and thank
everybody for all their help on the

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election on Tuesday. Um we've had a
successful day. It was our first attempt

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at vote centers. Um while Commissioner
Hoffnos, he was up in the office, helped

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us run ballots out to the fairgrounds in
various locations.

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» Uh we had some places that ran out of
ballots, but we were able to get them

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ballots. Nobody was disenfranchised with
the right to vote. We have our express

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votes which helped out immensely. Um,
we've got some things to work on for the

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general to make sure we have our numbers
correct. Of course, with everybody being

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able to vote at every location, it makes
it a little tricky on getting our ballot

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numbers out. But I just want to say
thank you and I have a list of people.

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So, if I miss somebody, I'm sorry, but
the Galb County School District for

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letting us use Harmony and Centennial.
It was really instrumental to have those

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uh those rural precincts that we had.
Sabil Wildlife Research, Larmy Peak and

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Rock River for all of our rural
locations, the fairgrounds for letting

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us use uh the location there, the
library, the W gateway. Um and the city

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of Laramie for letting us use their IT
people as well as the MOC. Um the

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sheriff's office, we had deputies at
every location. That is huge for us. It

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makes our voters feel more secure and we
were also able to use deputies to um

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transport ballots and equipment back
from our northern precincts which was

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really really instrumental for us on
election night. Um the IT office um we

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could not do this without them. I tell
you what, those four are amazing. Um my

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staff, judges, EMA office, Rodenbridge,
wow those guys are awesome on election

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day. Um the day before they are there to
help us set up everything and the day

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after they are there taking everything
down. Um Lincoln Community Center was

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another location as well. Um Secretary
of State's office of course uh the other

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county clerks around the state. It's
always helpful to have uh my other 22

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counterparts around the state to help us
out. Um

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I'm trying to think I I hope I didn't
miss anybody. Also another thing we had

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our handc count audit. Um that was
something new that happened um this

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election cycle. We have to do a 5% handc
count audit of ballots cast

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on election day. So we did that on what
day was that? Tuesday. I think it was

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Tuesday we did it. Um we had three um
three groups of four judges that did it.

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We did a great job. We started at 10:00.
We were done by 2:30. Um Jerry was one

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of my judges here. Um, this was the
first time we've ever done that and I

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think we did a really great job. Our
judges were great. We had no

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discrepancies. Um, the machines did
exactly what they were supposed to do

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and that's the whole point of that
handcount audit and I think that that

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gives us just more security in our
elections. Um, and the processes that we

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do. But I just cannot thank everybody
enough for all of their help on election

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day. We definitely couldn't do this
without a team effort. Um, so just thank

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you Alb County for for being there for
my office and also just helping out. So,

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thank you,
>> Kayla. Thank you for doing a really good

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job
>> in and venturing into untested waters.

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» Yes.
>> And your election staff.

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» Yes. Yes. And your question.
>> Well, good morning.

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» Hi, Darren White. Uh, I just wanted to
echo what Kayla said. They did a great

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job. The only thing that I would say,
and we've talked to Kayla about this, is

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that there are a number of people who
said, "I didn't know about the vote

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centers." And I think that the county
clerk's office did a phenomenal job

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getting the message out, but it's
incumbent upon all of us to tell

417
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:20,319
everybody that we know for November uh
that they can vote early starting

418
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:23,760
October 6 here. They can't vote here on
November 3rd that they can vote at any

419
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:25,599
of the other 10 vote centers.
>> Yeah.

420
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:29,920
» So, thank you.
>> Did on the vote center, did you have a

421
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:33,359
list of places that people could go?
>> We did. So, we had a list on the door

422
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:36,800
out there and of course anybody that
came into the office, we let them know.

423
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:41,280
We have it on our website and of course
we have the wait times on the website as

424
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:45,920
well. I think it was really exciting. I
think at every single one of our rural

425
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:49,680
precincts we had city people that voted
out there because they have the ability

426
00:42:47,839 --> 00:42:53,920
to do that. People can choose where they
want to vote. It gives our voters way

427
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,960
more accessibility. It gives them the
ability just to get to go where they

428
00:42:55,359 --> 00:43:00,560
want to go. I mean if you wanted to take
a nice drive up to Laramie Peak on

429
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:05,280
election day, you can do that. Then you
can go vote. I mean really it gives you

430
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:09,520
that ability to do that. Um, and I hope
that um, like Darren said, I think the

431
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:14,800
biggest thing is getting the word out
there. Um, you know, we do the best that

432
00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:19,680
we can, but there's some voter
responsibility, too. Um, we did post

433
00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:23,839
notices at all of the locations that
used to be vote are, you know, the like

434
00:43:22,079 --> 00:43:27,839
the Indian Paint Brush, Late School, all
the schools that used to be polling

435
00:43:25,839 --> 00:43:32,160
places. We did post notices on the door
to let them know where they could go and

436
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:36,240
vote. Um, but really it's just getting
the word out there and I think it's a

437
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:40,720
lot of word of mouth as well. So, but
thank you everybody for all of your

438
00:43:37,680 --> 00:43:45,640
help. I really do appreciate it.
>> Well, I think it's very successful.

439
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:45,640
Super.

440
00:43:46,720 --> 00:43:54,560
» Anyone else like to um make comments
from the public?

441
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:57,760
» Madam Chair, I move that we close public
comment. Second.

442
00:43:56,000 --> 00:44:05,200
» All those in favor? I
>> I motion carries. Any considerations

443
00:44:02,160 --> 00:44:07,920
of changes to the agenda?
>> Good morning, Tracy.

444
00:44:06,240 --> 00:44:11,839
» Good morning, Madam Chair and
commissioners. I would like to remove

445
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:16,560
item 10, which is the bonding amount for
the Albony County Fairgrounds

446
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:20,319
grandstands project um through the 2026
specific purpose excise tax. Who made

447
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:26,319
that so wordy?
>> It's probably me. [laughter]

448
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:31,760
» Um I was unable to prepare. I wanted to
be able to give you a better financial

449
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:35,760
analysis of um bonding bonding different
amounts versus the the money that we

450
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:39,760
have in our reserves and how they're
invested in the timeline of those

451
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:44,400
investments before um having you guys
make a decision. I plan to bring this

452
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:49,599
back at the next meeting and also we'll
have at that time a resolution prepared.

453
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:53,680
So if you choose to do some bonding then
um we can just plug that into the

454
00:44:51,119 --> 00:44:58,319
resolution at the time as well. Tracy,
in that analysis with you also including

455
00:44:55,520 --> 00:45:00,960
the B schedule with the bonding
>> just so we're actually getting max

456
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,960
apples to apples.
>> Yes. And

457
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:08,640
» because that's isn't that based on
percentage 5 [clears throat] million is

458
00:45:05,359 --> 00:45:15,520
» for for um Kaiser wealth management fee.
Should you um approve item 11 today? Um,

459
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:20,720
there will be attorney fees, which I can
reach out to Rick Thompson to find out

460
00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:25,680
what his he's got kind of a a feel for
it and I can look back at the 2018

461
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:30,800
bet to see. I'm sure there's going to be
some inflationary price increases since

462
00:45:28,240 --> 00:45:33,200
then, but yes, I can try to have a
better feel for what those fees would be

463
00:45:32,240 --> 00:45:36,760
as well.
>> Great. Thank you.

464
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:44,800
» Any disclosures to
more changes? I'm sorry, Commissioner.

465
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:50,400
» Good morning. I would like to add two
items this morning. The first is to

466
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:55,839
present for approval the installation of
gutters and downspouts at the

467
00:45:52,480 --> 00:46:00,880
fairgrounds pursuant to the estimate
from windfall roofing exteriors which

468
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:06,720
has been approved by insurance as part
of the claim for the roof replacement.

469
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:10,880
The second is to present for approval
removal and replacement of the damaged

470
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:16,000
and broken ceiling tiles. That estimate
is from Southeastern Wyoming insulation

471
00:46:13,599 --> 00:46:20,880
and has also been approved by insurance
as part of

472
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:24,319
um that roof replacement project.
>> Doesn't matter where those go.

473
00:46:22,319 --> 00:46:28,880
» It does not.
>> So I do 19 A and B.

474
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,040
» You can do it clear at the end if you
want.

475
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:36,599
» That's pretty close to clear at the end.
>> Okay.

476
00:46:33,359 --> 00:46:36,599
Thank you.

477
00:46:38,880 --> 00:46:44,280
» Any other changes to the agenda this
morning?

478
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,880
» Any disclosures?
>> Mad for me.

479
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:55,520
» Nor I.
>> Nor I.

480
00:46:53,040 --> 00:46:57,680
Item seven, approval of the consent
agenda.

481
00:46:56,319 --> 00:47:00,000
» Madam chair, I move we approve the
consent agenda as presented.

482
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:05,280
» Second.
>> All those in favor? I

483
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:09,599
» I motion carries.
Move on to the regular agenda. The first

484
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:17,480
item on the regular agenda is number
eight. Discuss placement of the new sign

485
00:47:13,040 --> 00:47:17,480
and alternate options.

486
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:22,560
Come on up.
[cough]

487
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:27,040
» Morning.
>> Good morning.

488
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:33,040
» Um I brought the sign. It's out there.
>> I did. I went out and looked. Yes, I

489
00:47:29,119 --> 00:47:38,800
did. you get an idea of uh how tall it
is and how long the trailer is and

490
00:47:34,880 --> 00:47:43,680
stuff. Um, also I just got a quote. It's
just one quote. I'm still waiting on

491
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:47,680
more to remove the planter boxes.
And I sent that to you guys email. When

492
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:54,480
I get the other two, I'll be back up
here. But just to get an idea, um, the

493
00:47:50,720 --> 00:47:58,560
first quote, they quoted uh $45,000
to remove that planter box,

494
00:47:56,793 --> 00:48:00,560
[clears throat] which I think is a lot
of money. It is.

495
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:03,440
» But um
>> well, one of the line items on there is

496
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:08,960
permit and planning.
>> So I I talked to him about that. He said

497
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:14,160
that uh HK, he talked with the city.
They want um not only for them to get

498
00:48:12,079 --> 00:48:18,319
permits, they want a site plan and they
want architectural drawings, what it's

499
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:21,280
going to look like after the planter box
is removed.

500
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:23,200
» That's really easy to do. You just go
out there and look. You can

501
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:29,119
» Yeah.
>> Any third grader can con can youize

502
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:36,160
that. So, um, just let you know that's
what the city's wanting for that. Um,

503
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:41,280
and, uh,
um, also we we do move forward this. I'd

504
00:48:39,359 --> 00:48:45,599
like guidance on what we're going to do
for electrical.

505
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:52,160
You want me to get quotes
running conduit underground? We're going

506
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:58,079
to have outlets at the building. Um, how
do we want to power this thing? or are

507
00:48:54,720 --> 00:49:02,800
we just going to use the generator?
Uh

508
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:08,559
» I so I thought that we had discussed
this about

509
00:49:04,720 --> 00:49:12,559
running the conduits
underground.

510
00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:15,200
So there's nothing for anybody to trip
over any of that.

511
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:20,079
» I mean I think that'd be best for safety
and stuff so you know people don't trip

512
00:49:19,040 --> 00:49:25,280
over these two inch [clears throat]
thick you know extension cords and

513
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:29,200
stuff. Plus the if if in the winter time
if there's snow out there, which is

514
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:31,920
going to come eventually.
>> Yeah.

515
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:36,000
» Um we don't want to tear that stuff up
either.

516
00:49:32,720 --> 00:49:40,160
» Yeah. Um
>> we don't have to run it that far now

517
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:43,280
since the planner's looking.
>> Yeah.

518
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:47,839
» Or the one planter will be gone.
>> And it will it will

519
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:52,160
possibly
the trailer's about 25 ft long. That

520
00:49:50,079 --> 00:49:54,000
planter box is about 25 ft long. So,
it'll take up that whole

521
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:58,400
» right
>> that whole area. I don't think we'll be

522
00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:03,200
in the sidewalk, which is good.
>> But, um, you know, just

523
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:08,319
when I was sitting there waiting for
those quotes and stuff, um, I think the

524
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:13,119
planter boxes are newer than the flag
pole. I think I don't really know.

525
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:18,480
There's a plaque out there that, you
know, says this stuff was donated and

526
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:25,119
installed in 1936.
I don't know how accurate that is, but

527
00:50:21,359 --> 00:50:30,559
my opinion to remove something that was
handcarved stone that we can't replace

528
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:36,160
and park a trailer there. I don't think
it's a good idea. It's just my personal

529
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:40,400
opinion. Um just about everyone I've
talked to don't think that it's a good

530
00:50:37,920 --> 00:50:46,400
idea as well. I don't know what the
alternative would be, but um I do know

531
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:51,440
we're approved to get that new building
installed. Maybe we could start planning

532
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:55,520
on having that fully incorporated into
the new building or when we purchase

533
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:58,960
land, put that sign out there on the
trailer advertising this [clears throat]

534
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:03,680
is where the new building is going to
go. Um

535
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:09,680
I'm not sure, but I just thought I would
voice uh my thoughts on this this whole

536
00:51:06,240 --> 00:51:17,800
thing. I'd hate to remove something that
we can't replace those those handcarved

537
00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:17,800
stones and uh put a trailer there.

538
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:25,760
If they I'm in agreement with you on
that. Um I think that uh when we get the

539
00:51:24,079 --> 00:51:30,800
new building um we can [clears throat]
use that as a piece for architecture. Um

540
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:36,599
I'm not interested in putting a trailer
out in front of a really nice old

541
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,599
building house.

542
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:40,599
Um I think it will look

543
00:51:40,720 --> 00:51:48,960
for uh to say the least. Um, and we
don't have to put it up right now. We

544
00:51:46,079 --> 00:51:54,319
don't have to back it in right now. Um,
can we put it in other places in the

545
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:58,720
meantime? I think for the elections we
were talking about with Mr. Wyatt, uh,

546
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:03,680
be nice to let people know that
everybody go to a vote center and so we

547
00:52:00,559 --> 00:52:08,720
can move that about the county. Um, but
you know, I just I don't like the idea

548
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:14,800
of putting it up front, backing it in,
backing it out, and then, you know, so

549
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:18,640
I mean, obviously, I'm going to whatever
directive you give me, that's what I'm

550
00:52:16,079 --> 00:52:23,280
going to do. So,
um, like I said, I'm still waiting on

551
00:52:20,240 --> 00:52:26,480
two more quotes. When I get those, I'll
give them to Cammy and I'll be back up

552
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:32,640
here.
>> Well, did that I'm just curious, but I'm

553
00:52:29,760 --> 00:52:36,720
in agreement that
We need to just wait and put that sign

554
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:40,800
up in the next building. But did that
quote include cleaning that stone?

555
00:52:39,359 --> 00:52:43,520
» Yeah, I did. Um
>> Okay, that makes a big difference why

556
00:52:42,240 --> 00:52:48,079
it's so expensive. Okay.
>> Well, part of it was included because I

557
00:52:46,559 --> 00:52:54,720
talked to him right right before this
meeting. Um part of it was uh um

558
00:52:52,400 --> 00:53:00,720
carefully removing the stone and trying
to save as much as possible. And then

559
00:52:57,359 --> 00:53:05,119
underneath that is just dirt. Uh, so
that price also included just putting

560
00:53:03,359 --> 00:53:09,599
rock,
you know, so the trailer can drive onto

561
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:13,680
it. Um, which is that part's not that
expensive, but wasn't sure if we wanted

562
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:17,839
to concrete,
you know, over that spot or just put

563
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:21,839
rock there in the meantime or what. I
wasn't sure if we do get the new

564
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:27,359
building and we move the sign, what
we're going to do with that empty space

565
00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:31,200
afterwards, you know, I wasn't sure. So,
>> so um that what are what are your

566
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:34,121
thoughts?
>> I don't have anything positive to say,

567
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:37,920
so I'm not going to say it.
[clears throat]

568
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:41,040
» I'm trying so hard to be positive. Um
>> it's going to get stored. We're going to

569
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:44,800
forget about it in 5 years and it's
going to deteriorate.

570
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:49,119
» Well, I will store it inside.
>> Well, I don't I mean, it it is a 25 foot

571
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:53,280
trailer.
You know, it's really long

572
00:53:51,200 --> 00:54:00,240
» and in reality, it's the city that's
forced us into this situation.

573
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:04,319
» I thought maybe we could park it in
different parking lots, but but it's 25

574
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:08,559
foot long, so I don't know where we
would put it in parking lots, but know

575
00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:12,480
thought about the library and thought
about

576
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:14,720
» it's way too small.
>> You know,

577
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:18,480
» I'm also concerned the generator is
going to come up missing. It's a really

578
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:23,839
nice really nice generator on it.
>> Yeah. Well, I that's why I think that we

579
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:29,040
can't just park it around places because
it will be parts and pieces that find

580
00:54:27,200 --> 00:54:32,960
new homes.
Um,

581
00:54:30,559 --> 00:54:36,960
can it be the first thing if if and when
we do purchase property, can it be maybe

582
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:42,640
the first thing that is installed there?
Not on a but at

583
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:45,599
» Yeah. Even probably five years now. Yes.
It's probably five years down the road.

584
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,240
I completely agree with you.
>> Yeah.

585
00:54:45,839 --> 00:54:48,880
» Um
>> yeah, because it's sitting like that,

586
00:54:47,839 --> 00:54:52,800
it's not going to be
>> It would be nice to be able to utilize

587
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:59,040
it if we could during election time. I
don't know how because it is so big. Um

588
00:54:56,319 --> 00:55:02,559
» Well, I think the one comment I had from
Adam was he was concerned about people

589
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:05,839
tampering with the sign and
>> misusing or mis

590
00:55:04,960 --> 00:55:12,280
I don't
>> I think that we run that risk anywhere

591
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:12,280
we put it. So,

592
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:21,839
» um, I did ask him, "Hey, what if we put
it in the grass, you know?" He said,

593
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:25,839
"Well, it's it's weather resistant. It's
designed to be out in the rain and the

594
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:31,040
snow and stuff, but he said, "I would
not recommend putting it somewhere where

595
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:34,880
a sprinkler is going to constantly hit
it."

596
00:55:32,160 --> 00:55:38,559
» Uh, that's not a good idea, he said,
too. So, I thought about that. We could

597
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:42,400
cap off some sprinkler heads and then
there'd be a large portion of lawn.

598
00:55:40,538 --> 00:55:48,440
[laughter]
>> Let's let's try to make the problem

599
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:48,440
smaller, not big.

600
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:56,559
» Anyway, that's that's what I got so far.
That's my thoughts on it.

601
00:55:53,680 --> 00:56:03,359
» Well, can we check with out at the SARS
building and see if we can store that

602
00:55:58,319 --> 00:56:07,359
inside? So, I did talk with uh a lot of
I talked with Michelle who works over in

603
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:13,119
that building and a lot of the deputies.
Um they don't want that thing in their

604
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:17,280
SAR building because they and I'll admit
they they don't have much room in the

605
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:20,559
» big search and rescue trailer and all
their equipment.

606
00:56:19,040 --> 00:56:24,480
» You know, right now where it's at, they
can't even get back to their cage

607
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:30,319
because it's blocking the only spot
left. Um, if we could just park it out

608
00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:34,000
there and I can get a big tarp, canvas
tarp or something and throw over it. I

609
00:56:32,240 --> 00:56:37,440
mean, it's designed to be outside and it
will be outside once it's installed

610
00:56:36,240 --> 00:56:41,440
anyway.
>> Um, Taylor, is there room at the

611
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:44,079
fairgrounds? Put that inside for a
while.

612
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:48,960
» I can go with Anthony and look at it,
but we should have room. Um, we could

613
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:53,200
put it in where we do our winter storage
because we'll start bringing that stuff

614
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:56,599
in in October. We could definitely until
April at least.

615
00:56:56,720 --> 00:57:01,760
» What do you guys think? So
>> fine.

616
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:04,480
» How [clears throat] tall is it?
>> It's shorter than your It's shorter than

617
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:07,119
your um
>> If it's shorter than our camper, then we

618
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,920
can fit it.
>> Yeah, that's good. Yeah,

619
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:14,240
» that's good. Yeah.
>> And then I told Kayla, but we can

620
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:17,040
advertise the boat centers on our sign
out at the fairgrounds, too.

621
00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:18,480
» So, I didn't even think about that
beforehand, but

622
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:20,880
» Thank you.
>> We can I'll work with her to come up

623
00:57:19,839 --> 00:57:23,599
with
>> mortgage. Yeah, for our sign and design

624
00:57:22,799 --> 00:57:27,280
it. So,
>> okay, that's very kind. Thank you.

625
00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:30,319
» Thank you. And um
>> Yeah,

626
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:35,680
» I didn't measure the height. I didn't
hit any stop points on the way.

627
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:38,480
» Well, I know how tall their camper is.
>> If it's shorter than their camper, it

628
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,160
came out.
>> Needs to be shorter by about a foot and

629
00:57:39,839 --> 00:57:42,400
a half.
>> Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is.

630
00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:45,599
» Because it doesn't fit [clears throat]
in anything out there. So,

631
00:57:43,839 --> 00:57:50,240
» I'm going to say that and then I'll have
to stick walk it back and say, "Whoops."

632
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:53,200
Well, um, whenever Bud's back and we get
through high school rodeo this weekend,

633
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:55,359
I can have him come over, too. But I can
go out with Anthony and look at it and

634
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,640
we can measure it and
>> Perfect.

635
00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:00,799
» We should have a barn that it'll fit in.
>> Okay.

636
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:05,160
» So,
yeah, that's not a problem.

637
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:05,160
» Okay.

638
00:58:05,599 --> 00:58:13,040
» Anthony, thank you.
>> More questions for me? [laughter]

639
00:58:08,960 --> 00:58:15,680
» This project has gone completely crazy
and

640
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:20,400
» I know we had a timeline to decide all
these things and we were

641
00:58:18,160 --> 00:58:26,079
thrown some wrenches in the mix on the
second variance and stuff. Uh but at

642
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:30,160
least the grant is obligations fulfilled
and we have it. We can decide finally

643
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:34,319
what we want to do with this.
>> Well, and it's in hand now. So that's

644
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:40,640
» so
>> um that's a big plus too. So and you

645
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:47,000
have put lots of time in on this
project. Thank you very much.

646
00:58:43,760 --> 00:58:47,000
» Thank you.

647
00:58:50,559 --> 00:59:00,920
Item nine, present for consideration the
Caduri zoning district applica amendment

648
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,920
application ZDA-03-

649
00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:07,040
26. David, good morning.
>> Good morning, Madam Chair,

650
00:59:05,440 --> 00:59:12,559
commissioners.
Um, [clears throat]

651
00:59:09,599 --> 00:59:18,880
so the applicant is Dr. Kaduri. He's
also the owner of the property.

652
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:22,480
um which is at 1437 Rosedale Road.
They're requesting a zoning district

653
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:28,480
amendment to change the zoning to
commercial. Um [clears throat] just to

654
00:59:26,240 --> 00:59:32,720
describe what you're approving or not
approving today would be uh the zoning

655
00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:38,880
district amendment is you're basically
changing the zoning map to from what it

656
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:44,319
is now rural residential or ranchets,
excuse me, to commercial. meaning the

657
00:59:41,680 --> 00:59:49,599
map changes and now there's a whole
different um bunch of of uses that can

658
00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:54,400
be done on the property that are for
commercial businesses and there's quite

659
00:59:51,119 --> 01:00:00,079
a wide variety of those. Um so we're not
we're not approving any specific use. We

660
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:05,839
are just
the request is to approve um new zoning

661
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:12,960
on the property which opens up the door
for a number of different uses. Um so

662
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:18,079
there was a number of folks that um this
application was sent to. Um

663
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:24,319
quite a few of them didn't have any
concerns. Um Larry Rivers Conservation

664
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:28,640
District just reminds land owners of the
care that should be taken to minimize

665
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:33,119
land disturbance. Recommends quick
reclamation of disturbed areas with

666
01:00:30,319 --> 01:00:37,440
native grasses and shrub species. notes
that the conservation district will help

667
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:44,480
with recommendations of native grass
species and planting information.

668
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:48,319
Um they also noted that there was a
portion of the property that was very

669
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:53,680
limited for development buildings due to
shallow depth of groundwater and

670
01:00:50,079 --> 01:00:58,079
seasonal surface water flows. Um the
Wyoming Game and Fish Department

671
01:00:55,680 --> 01:01:03,920
reviewed this. They just recommend
avoidance of fencing that restricts big

672
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:09,119
game and wildlife friendly fencing if
fencing is proposed. Um it's recommended

673
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:13,280
that they
um that the following be done to reduce

674
01:01:11,119 --> 01:01:17,040
reduce invasive species, clean vehicles
and

675
01:01:14,799 --> 01:01:22,160
equipment prior to con construction
activity and developing a plan with Alb

676
01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:27,119
County to assess, treat and monitor
invasive species. Um the city of Laramie

677
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:32,720
almost also commented on this. Philip
Gaburer um planning manager recommends

678
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:36,799
denial of the request and notes future
development of the property should be in

679
01:01:34,240 --> 01:01:43,119
accordance with the state residential
future land use designation of the Larmy

680
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:50,960
growth area plan. Larmy yeah lar grow
plan. Um so the basic proposal is to

681
01:01:47,920 --> 01:01:57,599
change there's 57 acres out here ranchet
to commercial. Um and this is is

682
01:01:54,079 --> 01:02:02,400
contiguous to to Soldier Springs Road
and then Rosedale Road

683
01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:05,400
also access provides access to this
property.

684
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:08,599
Then

685
01:02:10,319 --> 01:02:13,319
get

686
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:29,920
all right. So
my analysis of this application

687
01:02:27,359 --> 01:02:35,119
um so approval of this zoning district
amendment proposal um to change this to

688
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:41,359
commercial zoning
um would allow the property to develop

689
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:45,440
with uses that are compatible with
surrounding commercial uses. Um the

690
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:51,200
property has direct access to paved
county maintained road and is located in

691
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:56,880
close close proximity to city of Larmy
allowing allowing for efficient access

692
01:02:53,760 --> 01:03:00,480
to emergency services. The applicant has
demonstrated that potential impacts

693
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:05,520
associated with the dis zoning district
amendment have been addressed. The land

694
01:03:02,480 --> 01:03:09,200
use allowed by right or through the
conditional use application process in

695
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:12,799
the commercial zoning district are
generally compatible with the existing

696
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:18,880
mix of land uses of the surrounding
properties. Um there's a number of

697
01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:23,359
different uses um and zoning types in
the vicinity out here. Um the

698
01:03:21,520 --> 01:03:28,079
compatibility is expected to minimize
land use conflicts and support logical

699
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:30,640
growth pattern in the area. The proposed
district amendment is generally

700
01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:35,119
consistent with the goals and policies
of the Albony County comprehensive plan

701
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:38,880
for the following reasons. Proposal um
furthers a comprehensive plan's vision

702
01:03:37,119 --> 01:03:42,799
of promoting economic development and
growth efficiency. The proposed

703
01:03:41,039 --> 01:03:49,200
commercial zoning district will provide
opportunities for additional businesses

704
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:53,200
to in invest um and increase the
county's tax base. The proximity to the

705
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:57,599
city of Laramie and nearby emergency
services supports comprehensive plans.

706
01:03:55,839 --> 01:04:02,319
the goals of growth efficiency by
directing development to areas having

707
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:06,160
adequate access to public services. This
property is in an area designated as

708
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:09,280
priority growth area 3. This designation
recognizes the potential for small

709
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:13,680
convenienceoriented
commercial uses. Commercial zoning

710
01:04:11,520 --> 01:04:17,359
district includes a includes a very
variety of uses that are consistent with

711
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:22,079
the recommendation.
Um, rural commercial land use

712
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:26,799
designation in the Albony County
Comprehensive Plan notes that rural

713
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:30,079
commercial areas should be located at
intersections of major roads to take

714
01:04:28,319 --> 01:04:34,480
advantage of higher traffic volumes and
have water and sewer availability. The

715
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:39,440
property has direct access to a paved
county maintained road, a future in

716
01:04:37,280 --> 01:04:44,480
intersection with 15th Street, a future
major arterial. Um, and Soldier Springs

717
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:48,160
Road is shown on the major street plan
just north of this property. Although

718
01:04:46,559 --> 01:04:51,920
municipal water and sewer are not
currently available, domestic wells and

719
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:56,640
small wastewater systems provide
feasible methods of serving commercial

720
01:04:54,000 --> 01:05:00,559
development until such services become
available. The staff finds the proposal

721
01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:04,079
is generally consistent with the intent
of the rural commercial land use

722
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:08,079
designation. [clears throat] So based on
these points, staff finds the zoning

723
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:13,200
district amendment um application
generally consistent with the goals and

724
01:05:09,760 --> 01:05:18,559
policies of the comprehensive plan. Um
this property is also shown in the Larmy

725
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:23,280
growth area plan as
estate residential. Um it is also

726
01:05:21,039 --> 01:05:29,440
contiguous to an area designated
neighborhood commercial. So um to extend

727
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:36,960
commercial um from that neighborhood
commercial designation um what seems

728
01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:42,400
logical and um consistent with the
intent of the plan. um planning and

729
01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:47,599
zoning commission reviewed this and and
discussed um discussed the application.

730
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:52,240
They discussed the proposal's
consistency with the adopted land use

731
01:05:50,319 --> 01:05:55,920
plans and surrounding areas. The
majority of the commission determined

732
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:59,200
that the proposed commercial zoning is
not consistent with the Albony County

733
01:05:57,359 --> 01:06:02,720
conser comprehensive plan because the
property is located with priority within

734
01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:08,400
the priority growth area 3 which
supports residential uses on large lots

735
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:12,720
and small neighborhood oriented
businesses. The majority note that the

736
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:16,720
use is identified in the application may
not be consistent with the intent of the

737
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:20,960
priority growth area 3 designation.
Majority also noted that although the

738
01:06:18,799 --> 01:06:25,280
neighborhood commercial future land use
designation in the Larmy growth area

739
01:06:22,880 --> 01:06:29,359
plan is adjacent to property, the estate
residential future land use designation

740
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:33,760
applicable to the property should guide
future development. In addition, the

741
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:38,559
majority determined that the size of the
property approximately 57 acres would be

742
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:43,200
incompatible with the surrounding land
use power pattern. Most properties

743
01:06:41,119 --> 01:06:47,440
adjoining the proposed zoning amendment
are currently used for agricultural

744
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:50,960
residential purposes. One member of the
planning zoning commission disagreed

745
01:06:48,799 --> 01:06:55,039
with majority's assessment. This member
stated that the learning growth area

746
01:06:53,359 --> 01:06:58,880
plan should not be relied upon because
it has not been significantly

747
01:06:56,720 --> 01:07:03,599
implemented since its adoption three
years ago. The member also believed that

748
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:07,520
the application satisfied the required
findings for approval. Planning zoning

749
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:12,319
commission had voted to deny the
application based on incompatibility

750
01:07:10,079 --> 01:07:16,960
incompatibility with the surrounding
area inconsistency with the AB county

751
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:23,920
comprehensive plan and the Larmy growth
area plan. The motion carried um by a 4

752
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:28,799
to one vote. Um so their re the
recommendation is to deny the Kaduri

753
01:07:26,640 --> 01:07:31,920
zoning district amendment based upon the
applicant's failure to demonstrate that

754
01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:36,960
the proposed zoning district amendment
complies with the criteria

755
01:07:34,319 --> 01:07:45,839
specified in the zoning resolution
chapter 35 subsection C uh 6B and C

756
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:50,079
1 as follows. The proposed zoning
district amendment is not consistent

757
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:54,400
with the Alb County comprehensive plan
for growth area 3 because the commercial

758
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:58,480
uses allowed by the zoning resolution
are not limited to small neighborhood

759
01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:01,520
oriented businesses. The proposed
commercial zoning district is not

760
01:07:59,920 --> 01:08:06,799
consistent with the estate residential
future land use designation shown on the

761
01:08:04,240 --> 01:08:11,599
Laram Growth area plan map. Um, and the
proposed commercial zoning district is

762
01:08:08,799 --> 01:08:17,759
not compatible with existing
agricultural and residential uses in the

763
01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:21,799
area. So, um, I would be happy to answer
any questions that you may have.

764
01:08:23,279 --> 01:08:27,600
» To your knowledge, when was the last
time we did a traffic study? And this is

765
01:08:26,159 --> 01:08:33,040
probably a question for Jake. A traffic
study on Soldier Springs Road.

766
01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:37,759
I know when they don't know when they
leave covered it um at a constituent's

767
01:08:35,600 --> 01:08:44,560
request, Rob actually changed the no
passing zone out farther to accommodate

768
01:08:42,480 --> 01:08:51,279
» uh some of the housing developments back
from Soldier on Yeah. from Soldier

769
01:08:47,359 --> 01:08:54,960
Springs um back, but I don't believe a
traffic study was done at that time.

770
01:08:53,199 --> 01:08:59,359
» Yeah, I'm not aware of a traffic study
out there. Not that there hasn't been

771
01:08:56,159 --> 01:09:04,000
one, but I I just don't know.
There should be one soon with that safe

772
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:07,520
streets for all grant. That just is
starting off though. So

773
01:09:05,759 --> 01:09:12,319
» yeah, but what is soon?
>> The year.

774
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:15,839
» But the grant would end in 2028. So
>> it'll be in the next two years.

775
01:09:14,239 --> 01:09:19,759
» Within the next two years.
>> Okay.

776
01:09:17,920 --> 01:09:24,480
» David, your staff report indicates this
is a small neighborhood oriented

777
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:28,719
business. 57 acres small neighborhood
oriented business. Can you explain that

778
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:32,640
to me? uh this small neighborhood
oriented business would be the actual

779
01:09:30,480 --> 01:09:37,440
businesses on the property. What we're
asking or what is being asked is to

780
01:09:34,480 --> 01:09:41,040
change the property to um commercial
zoning. So that that has nothing to do

781
01:09:40,400 --> 01:09:43,520
with
>> No, your staff two different things.

782
01:09:42,319 --> 01:09:50,000
» No, your staff report said it was
consistent with priority growth area

783
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:56,640
three which ensures small neighborhood
oriented businesses. you you can you can

784
01:09:53,120 --> 01:10:00,800
on um commercial property they can
develop small neighborhood oriented um

785
01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:05,679
businesses on there.
>> What they're saying is no Walmart in

786
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:09,520
that spot.
>> If it's own commercial, then it could

787
01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:14,320
have a Walmart in that spot.
>> Right. Our our commercial zoning

788
01:10:11,440 --> 01:10:18,800
district allows for a number of uses.
Small businesses, large medium

789
01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:24,159
businesses, and large businesses.
>> Yeah, I understand that. But this is

790
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:28,719
priority growth area three and it's at
that if it's commercial it'll be small

791
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:32,880
neighborhood
oriented businesses and that's right

792
01:10:30,719 --> 01:10:36,239
from priority build area three
>> correct

793
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:44,080
» I think for me that envisions
convenience stores barber shops um child

794
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:48,880
care facilities um 57 acres is not a
small neighborhood oriented business

795
01:10:45,679 --> 01:10:52,960
that's my take on um so I would disagree
with with your staff parking and green

796
01:10:51,440 --> 01:10:59,600
the commission the planning and zoning
commission. Um I also think that once

797
01:10:56,960 --> 01:11:03,280
you change it it changes forever. So
that goes with the land. The land now

798
01:11:01,199 --> 01:11:07,600
becomes a commercial land and whatever
wants to be done with it can be done

799
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:13,760
with it as long as it been commercial.
Um you can people can be well intended.

800
01:11:12,239 --> 01:11:17,679
People can tell you what exactly what
they're going to do with that land but

801
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:21,440
that is not what has to happen with that
land. Once that is commercial, all the

802
01:11:19,520 --> 01:11:29,120
things that are commercial can happen to
that. Um, and although the applicant

803
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:35,199
said they're willing to uh work and sign
things, it's a little late. Force is out

804
01:11:31,440 --> 01:11:39,040
of the bar. Um, and so I think that uh
if that is an intention, if the

805
01:11:37,840 --> 01:11:44,480
applicant wants to do something
different, um, they need to do it before

806
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:51,199
this body would change that commercial
zoning the entire park. Um,

807
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:56,320
I do think we have to have some
consideration of Larmy growth plan. This

808
01:11:52,960 --> 01:12:03,840
body passed that plan. Uh, it was two
years and hundreds of thousands in the

809
01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:09,199
making. Um, so um I don't think this
applies this uh priority growth area

810
01:12:07,199 --> 01:12:14,080
three. This doesn't fit. I don't think
it fits with the larger growth area

811
01:12:10,800 --> 01:12:18,960
plan. I don't feel like it's a good idea
with a 55 mile per hour. you always know

812
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:25,679
that term. Um there's a lot of problems
in there um that I think we should be

813
01:12:22,560 --> 01:12:28,480
cognizant about and we should be um we
should respect flying donation

814
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:36,000
commission's recommendation that was a 4
to1 vote um and

815
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:41,920
you know and the economic benefit and
all that that's great right that doesn't

816
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:46,000
come to determine planning and zoning we
are saying does this planning and zoning

817
01:12:44,080 --> 01:12:50,760
thing being asked for fit with this
area. I don't think it does.

818
01:12:51,840 --> 01:12:59,120
» I'm of the same opinion. If we could
issue issue a conditional zoning

819
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:04,159
application and it stayed in the owner's
possession for the next 3 to 5 years and

820
01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:07,679
they did exactly what they would do, it
stayed permanently. Um otherwise, it

821
01:13:06,239 --> 01:13:12,560
would revert back. But we don't have
that ability. Um, I also have

822
01:13:10,000 --> 01:13:19,360
significant um concerns about Soldier
Springs Road um and would be fearful of

823
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:24,239
changing this zoning to commercial um
with what we don't know about the road

824
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:29,040
with the turning lanes, the approaches.
Um, I think you need a traffic study

825
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:32,320
before
this something like this would be

826
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:36,800
changed. I I I think it could end up
costing the county significant amount of

827
01:13:34,000 --> 01:13:43,560
dollars if there's if we're found to
need revisions on that road prior to

828
01:13:40,000 --> 01:13:43,560
approval of this.

829
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:52,080
If there's no further discussion,
>> Madam Chair, I move that we deny the

830
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:56,159
Caduri zoning district amendment
ZDA-03-26

831
01:13:54,560 --> 01:13:59,360
based upon the applicant's failure to
demonstrate that the proposed zoning

832
01:13:57,679 --> 01:14:06,159
district amendment complies with the
criteria specified in AZR

833
01:14:02,800 --> 01:14:13,000
chapter 3 section 5 subsection C6B and
C1 as follows. Um, and then

834
01:14:13,120 --> 01:14:17,840
one, the proposed commercial zoning
district is not consistent with the

835
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:21,760
Alman County Comprehensive Plan priority
growth area three because the commercial

836
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:25,600
uses allowed by the zoning resolution
are not limited to small neighborhood

837
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:28,400
oriented businesses. Two, the proposed
commercial zoning district is not

838
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:32,880
consistent with the state's residential
future land use designation shown on the

839
01:14:30,640 --> 01:14:35,920
land growth area plan. And three, the
proposed commercial zoning district is

840
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:39,440
not compatible with the existing
agriculture and residential uses in the

841
01:14:37,679 --> 01:14:45,600
area.
>> Commissioner Doar would uh entertain

842
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:51,360
friendly amendment to renew part three
of that.

843
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:53,280
» Uh accepted and I'll second.
>> All those in favor?

844
01:14:52,480 --> 01:15:00,920
» I I
>> I motion carries. Thank you.

845
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,920
Um

846
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:12,320
on to item 11.
Present for approval mis mis municipal

847
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:16,640
advisory agreement between the count the
between the board of county

848
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:23,280
commissioners for Albany County and Todd
Bishop with Kaiser wealth management for

849
01:15:19,600 --> 01:15:27,679
bonding of projects through 2026
purpose excise tax and direct the chair

850
01:15:26,239 --> 01:15:31,520
to sign.
>> Good morning once again madam chair

851
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:35,760
commissioners. This is the agreement
with Todd Bishop. Um, this would cover

852
01:15:33,360 --> 01:15:39,840
us for any of his purposes for bonding,
whether we bond for the fairgrounds or

853
01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:43,760
the county building. Um, it covers us
for all the projects.

854
01:15:41,199 --> 01:15:47,920
» Oh, good.
>> This doesn't guarantee funds though.

855
01:15:45,280 --> 01:15:51,360
We're not entering into uh a city fun.
This is just agreeing to their

856
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:54,880
percentages of the bond requirement.
>> Correct.

857
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:58,000
» Okay. I move that we approve the
municipal advisory agreement between the

858
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:01,760
board of county commissioners for Albony
County and Todd Bishop with Kaiser

859
01:16:00,080 --> 01:16:07,520
Wealth Management for bonding of
projects through 2026 specific purpose

860
01:16:04,239 --> 01:16:13,360
excise tax and direct the chair sign.
>> Second and then just comment

861
01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:17,120
» we have to put this out for bid. Um I
have nothing to say about Todd. I have

862
01:16:15,679 --> 01:16:21,920
nothing but good things. We've worked
with him before but is this large enough

863
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:26,239
that we have to put this out for bid? I
think that's it. Depends

864
01:16:24,397 --> 01:16:33,440
[laughter]
>> how much money are we gonna

865
01:16:29,679 --> 01:16:37,360
» um I guess I'll defer to Jennifer.
>> Is there enough of a market in this

866
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:46,239
industry to
>> I don't think so. Not with this type of

867
01:16:42,719 --> 01:16:51,520
experience either. Um I I honestly guess
I don't know that we

868
01:16:49,360 --> 01:16:55,360
know that. Well, it'd be more of a
consulting because don't they solicit

869
01:16:53,520 --> 01:16:59,199
the best price on behalf of the county
at that point?

870
01:16:56,640 --> 01:17:03,280
» So, I don't know how do we need to table
this?

871
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:07,360
» They do. We also do pay commission. I
think I mean my advice would be that we

872
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:15,760
could do this essentially under a soul
source given Kaiser helped us in the

873
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:21,520
process when we were doing the bid work
with Rick out of the attorney out of

874
01:17:18,719 --> 01:17:25,199
Cheyenne and the history that he has
with the county bonding process. I think

875
01:17:23,840 --> 01:17:30,320
that is not something that can be
replicated

876
01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:35,840
for something of this magnitude that has
such a long-term impact on the county.

877
01:17:34,320 --> 01:17:38,960
» I just want to do the eyes and cross the
tees because I suspect this project will

878
01:17:37,840 --> 01:17:43,840
be
>> well viewed and well looked at. So

879
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:48,679
» I hate using soul source.
>> I know and we do not do it very often.

880
01:17:52,560 --> 01:18:00,520
I I feel like they act as a fiduciary on
behalf of the county that

881
01:17:56,719 --> 01:18:00,520
» they essentially do.

882
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:07,600
» I know he had been very instrumental in,
you know, calculating all those ballot

883
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:14,080
amounts and everything already.
>> Yeah. Der, would you have the ability to

884
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:17,120
give us a little more in two weeks when
the other stuff comes in?

885
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:21,199
» Uh, you certainly can. I can certainly
write something of it similar to the

886
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:24,320
memo that we do when we generally have
is for things to go up. I can do that

887
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:31,440
for us if you'd like to table this.
>> I'll amend my motion to uh table

888
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:36,080
» item 11 um until the 15th of this month.
>> Second agrees.

889
01:18:33,199 --> 01:18:42,400
» All in I
>> I motion carries.

890
01:18:39,520 --> 01:18:49,199
Thank you.
Item 12, present for approval, highway

891
01:18:45,199 --> 01:18:54,480
safety program FFY2027
subawward agreement between the Wyoming

892
01:18:52,080 --> 01:18:59,520
Department of Transportation Highway
Safety Program and the Albany County

893
01:18:56,560 --> 01:19:05,719
Sheriff's Office for Occupancy Safety
Visibility Enforcement in the amount of

894
01:19:02,719 --> 01:19:05,719
$2,97144.

895
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:16,400
» Morning commissioners. This is the
essentially the yearly grant agreement

896
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:21,840
that we've had uh with YOT uh highway
safety program for a grant for basically

897
01:19:19,440 --> 01:19:28,360
seat belt enforcement. It's what high
visibility occupancy is to the tune of

898
01:19:24,640 --> 01:19:28,360
just shy of $3,000.

899
01:19:28,480 --> 01:19:32,239
» And this pays for deputies for how many
hours?

900
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:36,239
» Uh
>> it's just kind of a laughable amount.

901
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:41,440
» So they have with the it is it's a very
low amount. Um, but they have specific

902
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:46,880
times through the highway grant office
when you agree to this grant that you

903
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:51,520
use it for. And so May mobilization is
one of the events that they call. So

904
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:57,760
this uh essentially for two and a half
weeks around

905
01:19:53,760 --> 01:20:03,600
uh the Memorial Day holiday. Um and then
August crackdown is another one that we

906
01:20:00,719 --> 01:20:08,480
are required to use it for. um we spread
it out for uh throughout the year at all

907
01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:14,640
of kind of the high traffic times that
we have. So um like this weekend is an

908
01:20:11,040 --> 01:20:18,960
example of it um uh all through the
summer as well and then key holidays

909
01:20:16,880 --> 01:20:22,640
that we have also. So
>> and I'm assuming this and the next

910
01:20:20,320 --> 01:20:27,040
agenda item kind of go hand in hand or
>> they do the the prices are a little bit

911
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:33,440
um or the awards are a little bit
different. Um the awards are uh kind of

912
01:20:30,719 --> 01:20:41,520
based more on
uh population and essentially uh

913
01:20:38,400 --> 01:20:47,120
uh initiation of work that we do. So the
citations that that we're able to

914
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:51,440
uh to initiate the stops that we're able
to initiate. So because we don't have a

915
01:20:49,679 --> 01:20:56,800
primary seat belt law in the state of
Wyoming, that's why the occupant safety

916
01:20:55,571 --> 01:21:01,920
[clears throat] grant is is
>> so would you explain a primary

917
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:08,000
the primary seat belt?
>> Right. Where uh we don't have a primary

918
01:21:04,640 --> 01:21:13,256
seat belt law and so we cannot pull over
solely for you not wearing your seat

919
01:21:10,480 --> 01:21:17,520
belt. So, we do traffic enforcement
[clears throat] and then if we um you

920
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:22,560
know come across a traffic stop and find
out that an occupant isn't isn't being

921
01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:28,640
protected by wearing their seat on a
safety belt or a child restraint isn't

922
01:21:25,199 --> 01:21:31,600
properly uh uh applied within the car.
go ahead and issue

923
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:36,800
» when you started into that then I go
okay now I get

924
01:21:34,960 --> 01:21:41,040
» madam chair move we approve the highway
safety program fiscal federal fiscal

925
01:21:39,199 --> 01:21:44,480
year 2027 subaw award agreement between
the department of transportation highway

926
01:21:42,719 --> 01:21:50,239
safety program and the county sheriff's
office for occupancy safety visibility

927
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:55,280
enforcement in the amount of $297144
>> red second

928
01:21:51,679 --> 01:22:00,159
» very good um all those in favor I
>> I motion carries

929
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:07,280
item 13. Present for approval highway
safety program FFY 2027 sub award

930
01:22:05,280 --> 01:22:12,159
agreement between the Wyoming Department
of Transportation Highway Safety Program

931
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:19,159
and the Albany County Sheriff's Office
for Impaired Driving Visibility

932
01:22:14,159 --> 01:22:19,159
Enforcement in the amount of $18,64210.

933
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:29,040
» This is along the same lines. It's just
for DUI enforcement. So it comes with uh

934
01:22:26,960 --> 01:22:33,760
uh different requirements but similar to
where there's certain times during the

935
01:22:30,560 --> 01:22:37,760
year that we're required to uh do high
visibility enforcement for DUIs. Um and

936
01:22:36,320 --> 01:22:43,920
then like I said we spread it out
throughout the year for uh known hightra

937
01:22:40,400 --> 01:22:48,000
areas um and other times of the year
where we know that there's a high

938
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:52,000
possibility of of drinking
>> when we play CSU or something like that.

939
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:57,920
» Yes, we will have a lot of people out
this weekend.

940
01:22:54,719 --> 01:23:03,440
uh as we do every Labor Day weekend and
opening weekend for Wic.

941
01:23:01,920 --> 01:23:07,920
» Madam Chairman, we approve the highway
safety program fiscal year 2027 sub

942
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:10,320
award agreement between the Wyoming
Department of Transportation Highway

943
01:23:09,120 --> 01:23:13,760
Safety Program and Melvin County
Sheriff's Office for impaired driving

944
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:18,400
high visibility enforcement in the
amount of $88,64210.

945
01:23:16,560 --> 01:23:20,159
» Second.
>> All those in favor?

946
01:23:19,440 --> 01:23:23,600
» I I
>> I motion carries.

947
01:23:21,280 --> 01:23:27,760
» Thank you, Commissioner. Item 14,
present for approval amendment two for

948
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:33,040
the contract between the Wyoming
Department of Health Behavioral Health

949
01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:37,520
Division and Albany County Board of
Commissioners as

950
01:23:35,360 --> 01:23:44,360
governing body for the Albany County
Court Supervised Treatment Program in

951
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:44,360
the amount of $740,700

952
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:55,840
through September 30th, 2027 for state
opioid response funding.

953
01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:59,120
Good morning, commissioners. Uh the
department of health is just giving us a

954
01:23:57,199 --> 01:24:05,120
second amendment for Heather's state
opioid response grant. Uh there's a few

955
01:24:01,440 --> 01:24:09,520
minor changes um because the federal
government has made a few minor changes.

956
01:24:07,600 --> 01:24:14,000
Um but Heather has no problem with any
of them.

957
01:24:12,159 --> 01:24:17,280
» I'll move that we approve. I'm just
checking to see if you had any comment.

958
01:24:15,440 --> 01:24:20,239
Okay. Move the approved amendment to the
contract between Wyoming Department of

959
01:24:18,639 --> 01:24:24,080
Health Behavioral Health Division and
Alb County Board of Commissioners as

960
01:24:22,239 --> 01:24:27,920
governing body for the Alb County
supervised treatment program in the

961
01:24:25,440 --> 01:24:32,239
amount of $740,700
through September 30th, 2027 for state

962
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:34,800
opioid response funding.
>> Second.

963
01:24:33,679 --> 01:24:42,560
» All those in favor?
>> I I motion carries. Thank you. Item 15,

964
01:24:39,679 --> 01:24:49,040
present for approval subreient
amendment between the county between the

965
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:54,159
Albany County Commissioners and Climb
Wyoming Cathedral Home for Children's

966
01:24:51,520 --> 01:25:02,880
Community Programs, Larmy Interfaith and
Greater Wyoming Big Brothers Big Sisters

967
01:24:57,679 --> 01:25:11,199
for TANF CPI 2024 through 2027
grant funding ALN

968
01:25:06,880 --> 01:25:16,960
93.5 558 for services provided between
the date of October 1st, 2024 and

969
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:19,920
September 30th, 2027.
>> Haley,

970
01:25:18,000 --> 01:25:23,760
» the at the last meeting I had you guys
approve our a second amendment with the

971
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:27,600
state. So this is just our second
amendment with all of our subreients

972
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:32,320
that we've discussed those amounts a few
months ago. So [clears throat]

973
01:25:30,239 --> 01:25:35,199
» any questions?
Madam Chair, I move that we approve this

974
01:25:33,679 --> 01:25:38,639
other recipient amendment between the
Albany County Commissioners and Fly

975
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:42,880
Wyoming Cathedral Home Children
Community Programs, Larry Interfaith and

976
01:25:40,639 --> 01:25:47,920
Greater Wyoming Big Brothers Big Sisters
attempt CPI 2024 through 2027 grant

977
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:52,560
funding for services provided between
the date of October 1st, 2024 and

978
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:54,719
September 30th, 2027.
>> Second.

979
01:25:53,440 --> 01:25:58,560
» All those in favor?
>> I

980
01:25:55,360 --> 01:26:05,600
» I motion carries. Item 16, present for
approval grant application to the

981
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:13,120
Wyoming Office of Homeland Security 2026
SHSP funding to support the purchase of

982
01:26:10,320 --> 01:26:14,480
a search and rescue boat.
>> Morning.

983
01:26:13,679 --> 01:26:20,560
» Good morning.
>> Yes. Uh this is an application to uh

984
01:26:18,719 --> 01:26:28,080
Office of Homeland Security for their
SHSP funding that was released for the

985
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:32,239
purchase of a new search and risk vote.
Um it's one of three items that you guys

986
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:38,159
have coming up in terms of the
application in there.

987
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:45,199
Um, and we've ranked this one third, but
Alb County Sheriff's Office dive team is

988
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:50,480
basically the only dive team in
southeast Wyoming. And the current boat

989
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:56,159
that we have is not [clears throat] in
the greatest shape whatsoever. And so uh

990
01:26:54,000 --> 01:27:02,080
attached you'll see the quote along with
the application for a brand new boat

991
01:26:58,639 --> 01:27:07,360
engine and trailer um with a small
reduction for a trade in of our existing

992
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:10,239
boat and trailer in there as well.
>> Is this the same boat you were trying to

993
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:16,560
shoot for last year?
>> Yes. So we applied a few few months ago.

994
01:27:13,920 --> 01:27:20,560
» Uh yeah, SHSP had what they call
leftover funding.

995
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:24,159
» We we applied then we were awarded
radios but not

996
01:27:21,920 --> 01:27:30,320
» great. So now that there's a full award
and a set of leftover, there's a a

997
01:27:27,199 --> 01:27:34,639
better chance of not getting the boat.
>> So is the boat stored inside?

998
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:39,440
» It is. Yes. It's stored in our search
and rescue facility.

999
01:27:37,679 --> 01:27:43,280
» Madam Chair, I move we approve the grant
application of Wyoming Office Homeland

1000
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:47,760
Security 2026
SHSP funding to support the purchase of

1001
01:27:45,280 --> 01:27:55,840
a search and rescue boat. Second.
>> All those in favor? I I motion carries.

1002
01:27:53,199 --> 01:28:02,480
Item 17, present for approval grant
application to the Wyoming Office of

1003
01:27:57,840 --> 01:28:07,840
Homeland Security for the 2026 SHSP
funding to support the purchase of

1004
01:28:04,639 --> 01:28:10,159
mobile and portable radios. Kate, good
morning.

1005
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:15,440
» Good morning, commissioners. So, this is
just our grant application um to support

1006
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:21,040
our three-year radio replacement plan.
And this year we uh collaborated with

1007
01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:25,040
both city and county um departments and
agencies. We don't know exactly how much

1008
01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:30,800
we're going to ask for on the first year
yet because all of our um requests came

1009
01:28:27,920 --> 01:28:34,960
in at 2.8 million which is way higher
than we can divide over three years. So

1010
01:28:32,560 --> 01:28:40,239
we're going to whittle that down and get
you a total.

1011
01:28:38,080 --> 01:28:44,719
Just just so you guys know, this grant,
the most I've ever been able to receive

1012
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:50,239
one time was for the detention center
generator and that was $125,000.

1013
01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:53,600
» Oh, we have to whittle it way down.
>> We did ask the state for some direction

1014
01:28:51,920 --> 01:28:57,840
on what would be a reasonable request
and they couldn't give us any. So, we're

1015
01:28:55,920 --> 01:29:00,320
continue to work on this.
>> Let's let's just shoot arrows in the

1016
01:28:59,679 --> 01:29:05,520
dark then.
>> Yes, I think that total is all the money

1017
01:29:03,199 --> 01:29:11,120
they have for the whole state, including
state homelands. So,

1018
01:29:08,159 --> 01:29:15,120
They'll aim high, you know. [laughter]
>> Shoot for the moon. We'll get half of

1019
01:29:13,760 --> 01:29:18,800
it.
>> I move [snorts] to be approved the grant

1020
01:29:17,199 --> 01:29:23,360
application to allow me Office Homeland
Security for the 2026 SHSP funding to

1021
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,360
support the purchase of mobile and
portable radio.

1022
01:29:24,639 --> 01:29:27,040
» Second.
>> All those in favor?

1023
01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:32,480
» I
>> I motion carries. Thank you.

1024
01:29:30,880 --> 01:29:38,639
Moving a repeater would be cheaper than
replacing radio [laughter]

1025
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:42,880
» by like $300,000.
>> Item 18, present for approval grant

1026
01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:50,960
application to the Wyoming Office of
Homeland Security for the 2026 SHSP

1027
01:29:47,440 --> 01:29:58,480
funding to support the purchase of two
purchase of generators for WCO Wola and

1028
01:29:54,960 --> 01:30:04,480
Sab. Um so this is a grant application
for uh emergency backup generators for

1029
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:10,880
WCO uh fire station and Sabil fire
station. Um there are the two stations

1030
01:30:07,840 --> 01:30:17,120
left that don't have backup generators.
So um this would support uh continued uh

1031
01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:20,639
fire management and response and also
would provide shelters for those areas

1032
01:30:19,199 --> 01:30:25,280
where we don't have any other county
facilities.

1033
01:30:23,040 --> 01:30:27,840
We're talking the spiel's
station that's in Black County.

1034
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:34,080
» That is correct. Okay.
>> But is our station?

1035
01:30:31,040 --> 01:30:37,760
» I don't know. I just It's interesting.
>> I I I know. I was That's exactly how

1036
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:42,639
Chad explained it, too. It's
>> It's interesting. It is. Yes.

1037
01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:47,120
» But it is our station.
>> Making sure that Okay.

1038
01:30:45,600 --> 01:30:52,000
Well, I move that we approve the grant
application to the Wyoming Office of

1039
01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:56,800
Homeland Security for the 2026 SHSP
owning support purse of generators for

1040
01:30:54,239 --> 01:30:58,480
WCO and Seabil. Second.
>> All those in favor?

1041
01:30:57,920 --> 01:31:05,120
» I I
>> I carries. Thank you.

1042
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:12,239
» Item 19, present for approval fiscal
year 26 1% community partner funding

1043
01:31:08,719 --> 01:31:15,719
agreements between Albany County and
community partners.

1044
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:21,199
Okay, Bailey.
>> Uh, these is I sent out an email last

1045
01:31:19,280 --> 01:31:24,719
week to the few that were missing.
Here's majority of them. I'm hoping to

1046
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:28,000
have the last three on your agenda the
next time and that'll take care of all

1047
01:31:26,800 --> 01:31:31,840
them for this year.
>> Madam Chair, I move that we approve the

1048
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:35,199
school year 26 1% community partner
funding agreements between the Albony

1049
01:31:33,280 --> 01:31:39,360
County and community partners. I mean
art guards coalition relative theatrics

1050
01:31:37,280 --> 01:31:43,679
peace of mind safe project skate by me
and developmental preschool. Second.

1051
01:31:42,159 --> 01:31:47,840
» All those in favor? I
>> I

1052
01:31:44,080 --> 01:31:51,840
» I motion carries.
>> Item 19A.

1053
01:31:50,960 --> 01:31:53,760
» I can read it for you.
>> Would you please

1054
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:58,480
» present for approval installation of
gutters and downspouts the fairgrounds

1055
01:31:56,239 --> 01:32:02,880
activities building pursuant to quote
from windfall roofing and exteriors and

1056
01:32:00,960 --> 01:32:09,040
and as approved by insurance in the
amount of $5,376.

1057
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:14,560
» So this as you just read is the quote
for that. Windfall is the same company

1058
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:20,000
that did our roof. So we won't have any
issues in going with them with regard to

1059
01:32:18,320 --> 01:32:25,840
with the warranties that were with the
original roof. And this has been

1060
01:32:22,080 --> 01:32:29,440
submitted to and approved by insurance.
Madam Chair, move we approve the

1061
01:32:27,440 --> 01:32:32,080
installation of gutters and downsides at
the fairgrounds activity building

1062
01:32:30,639 --> 01:32:37,360
pursuant to the quote of windfall
roofing and exteriors and as approved by

1063
01:32:33,920 --> 01:32:41,040
insurance in the amount of $5,376.
>> Second.

1064
01:32:39,040 --> 01:32:47,679
» All those in favor? I I
>> I motion carries. Item 19B, present for

1065
01:32:45,600 --> 01:32:52,800
approval removal and replacement of
damaged and broken ceiling tiles at the

1066
01:32:50,239 --> 01:32:58,080
fairgrounds activity building pursuant
to quote from Southeastern Wyoming

1067
01:32:55,040 --> 01:33:02,520
installation and approved by insurance
in the amount of $4,991.

1068
01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:10,159
Again, this is the interior ceiling
tiles from the water damage from when we

1069
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:14,480
had the issues with the roof
fairgrounds. And this has also been

1070
01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:16,080
approved by insurance.
Madam

1071
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:19,679
» chair, I move that we approve the
removal and replacement of damaged

1072
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:23,920
broken ceiling files at the fairgrounds
activity building pursuant to quote from

1073
01:33:21,360 --> 01:33:27,600
Southeast Wyoming insulation and as
approved by insurance in the amount of

1074
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:29,440
$4,991.
Second.

1075
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:33,679
» All those in favor?
>> I I

1076
01:33:30,480 --> 01:33:41,280
» I motion carries. Item 20, reappoint
Aaron Odori, Fletcher, and Cat Gabriel

1077
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:44,280
to the community services block grant
tri.

1078
01:33:45,204 --> 01:33:51,440
[laughter]
>> Thank you. My tongue was twisted. I

1079
01:33:48,239 --> 01:33:57,120
could board for the elected officials
sector for threeyear term and effective

1080
01:33:55,440 --> 01:34:01,120
immediately.
Hello.

1081
01:33:58,960 --> 01:34:06,639
» I know I have a difficult time with that
word as well. Um this is just exactly as

1082
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:09,840
it says. It's um Pat Gabriel is
representing um as a former

1083
01:34:08,480 --> 01:34:13,600
commissioner. He's representing the
commissioners on this board as an

1084
01:34:11,360 --> 01:34:19,760
elected official as you appointed him
prior. Um and then Aaron of course is

1085
01:34:16,320 --> 01:34:23,840
serves on city council and I am the
county treasurer.

1086
01:34:21,280 --> 01:34:27,360
» You are. [laughter]
So, I'd like to thank you all of you for

1087
01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:30,239
doing this, being willing to do it
again. I'd like to reappoint Aaron

1088
01:34:29,040 --> 01:34:33,440
Hordi,
>> uh, excuse me, I move to reappoint Aaron

1089
01:34:32,080 --> 01:34:37,520
Authority, Tracy Fletcher, and Pat
Gabriel to the community service block

1090
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:41,920
grant part for the elected officials
sector for three-year term effective

1091
01:34:39,760 --> 01:34:43,760
immediately. Just second.
>> All those in favor?

1092
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:47,920
» I I
>> I motion carries. I was trying to put

1093
01:34:46,320 --> 01:34:53,920
another A in there and I knew that
wasn't right. I just couldn't get a

1094
01:34:50,960 --> 01:34:57,280
mouthful. Item uh 21, discuss the
Sallyport and south entrance of the

1095
01:34:55,840 --> 01:35:01,760
courthouse. Kayla,
>> good morning.

1096
01:34:58,560 --> 01:35:06,880
» Good morning, commissioners. Um
since

1097
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:12,880
some time ago when we uh took access
away from the front entrance of the

1098
01:35:09,199 --> 01:35:17,120
courthouse in the Sallyport, um I watch
on a daily basis people wander around

1099
01:35:15,120 --> 01:35:22,880
the building trying to figure out how to
get into the building. Um, and so, uh,

1100
01:35:20,719 --> 01:35:27,679
it has been, we've talked about it
during, I think, department head

1101
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:33,440
meetings, um, and I spoke to the sheriff
yesterday, um, a little bit about this

1102
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:38,080
and my concerns with the public and the
fact that it makes it really difficult

1103
01:35:35,440 --> 01:35:42,080
for people that put in our address,
which is 525 Grand Avenue, takes them to

1104
01:35:40,800 --> 01:35:45,120
the front of the building. They walk to
the front of the building, they cannot

1105
01:35:43,360 --> 01:35:50,320
get in. There are no signs telling them
where to get in. So, they wander around,

1106
01:35:48,239 --> 01:35:54,000
try to get in this entrance over here,
which is a not a public entrance, and

1107
01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:58,639
then, of course, they find their way
around the building. So, I just thought

1108
01:35:56,400 --> 01:36:04,239
that maybe we could have a discussion
about possibly opening back up. I know

1109
01:36:02,239 --> 01:36:08,000
the one door on the front has the badge
access. Even just opening the one door,

1110
01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:13,360
I don't think all three doors need to be
open. Um, but it's kind of a moot point

1111
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:18,239
anyway when people can let people in. I
mean, I don't I know why we went forward

1112
01:36:16,480 --> 01:36:22,560
with putting the one point of access
when we were going to have the body

1113
01:36:20,560 --> 01:36:26,880
scanners or whatever that was we were
going to do, but that has not happened.

1114
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:34,719
And so, I feel like it is a disservice
to the public um not allow them to come

1115
01:36:30,239 --> 01:36:39,360
in the front doors. So, um that's my two
cents on it. It is totally my opinion.

1116
01:36:36,719 --> 01:36:43,280
Um, but we do hear it from our customers
of their frustration when they do come

1117
01:36:40,960 --> 01:36:48,560
in that they, you know, are having a
hard time figuring out how to get into

1118
01:36:45,679 --> 01:36:54,800
the building. So, even though Anthony
did put up a sign in the elevator

1119
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:59,440
to help
access that challenge

1120
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:03,679
there, I talked to a person this
morning. They were confused. They

1121
01:37:00,880 --> 01:37:09,520
couldn't figure it out. And I think that
we would save a tremendous amount of

1122
01:37:05,600 --> 01:37:13,679
frustration with the public by having
these doors open.

1123
01:37:11,520 --> 01:37:17,840
» Um, I don't know what that entails. Of
course, I'm not security for the

1124
01:37:16,080 --> 01:37:21,760
building, but I imagine that probably
has a discussion with the sheriff, but I

1125
01:37:20,159 --> 01:37:27,600
just wanted to bring it forward as a
discussion item. Um, and my concerns

1126
01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:32,880
that I have for the public.
I'll second everything Kayla said and

1127
01:37:31,199 --> 01:37:38,080
with the office that probably has the
majority of the day-to-day regular foot

1128
01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:45,280
traffic into this building. Um we hear
complaints consistently of and and it if

1129
01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:46,880
it's raining out those complaints are a
little more

1130
01:37:45,920 --> 01:37:53,760
» in the middle of winter
>> warm to say the least. But um given that

1131
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:56,719
there is no
requirement, you know, for anybody to go

1132
01:37:55,199 --> 01:38:02,800
through a body scanner or any kind of
those security measures on either door,

1133
01:37:59,440 --> 01:38:07,520
I mean, and people continually do hold
the door open. For others, sometimes in

1134
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:12,880
the summer months when that um heat, the
sun expands the metal door frame, it it

1135
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:13,920
gets stuck open,
>> which

1136
01:38:13,520 --> 01:38:18,400
» Oh, yeah.
>> You know, then anybody can still get in.

1137
01:38:16,080 --> 01:38:22,320
Um, but I think it it would be a greater
convenience for, you know, our

1138
01:38:20,320 --> 01:38:26,560
constituents and taxpayers of the county
to be able to access that door. And like

1139
01:38:24,880 --> 01:38:30,159
Kayla said, the middle doors would be
sufficient.

1140
01:38:28,639 --> 01:38:33,760
» I don't I don't know what that entails.
I guess that would maybe be a question

1141
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:36,400
for it or the sheriff, but I just wanted
to bring it forward as a discussion

1142
01:38:35,119 --> 01:38:39,360
item.
>> Yes. So, [snorts] it seems like I went

1143
01:38:37,760 --> 01:38:43,679
on a security tour with Homeland
Security and the sheriff some time ago,

1144
01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:47,040
and it was the court security that was
forcing us. So we were making this

1145
01:38:45,440 --> 01:38:50,159
decision
court security was forcing us to do the

1146
01:38:48,719 --> 01:38:55,600
single point entry. I'm not sure the
sheriff will be able to approve that. Uh

1147
01:38:53,360 --> 01:39:00,639
it but then the legislature came back
and said nothing or made that un

1148
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:05,920
workable. I don't believe that court
security memorandum has gone away. Um so

1149
01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:10,880
we are kind of in this world where we
have two conflicting ideas. Um and

1150
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:15,920
sheriff would you speak to that?
>> Yes. Yes. We went to the single point of

1151
01:39:13,280 --> 01:39:20,639
entry uh based on the recom uh
recommendations from uh the court

1152
01:39:18,560 --> 01:39:26,560
security commission from the supreme
court and from CISA that came uh I think

1153
01:39:23,440 --> 01:39:31,520
it's been a while now three almost four
years that came and did the security

1154
01:39:28,159 --> 01:39:37,119
assessment when we got the slip grant
for the addition to the north entrance

1155
01:39:33,840 --> 01:39:41,679
as well. Uh in addition to that grant um
for the addition was the installation of

1156
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:49,679
security cameras and other security
procedures or security equipment uh for

1157
01:39:46,560 --> 01:39:55,920
screening uh into the courthouse. And so
the cameras that were installed in there

1158
01:39:52,719 --> 01:40:04,080
are all geared towards a single point
entry uh on that north side. Um

1159
01:40:01,199 --> 01:40:09,119
like I said, those safety measures that
have been taken for that single point of

1160
01:40:06,080 --> 01:40:15,040
entry um also within consideration of
the ADA access that they have now u on

1161
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:20,800
that north entrance is there um has been
in place and it's it's worked really

1162
01:40:17,040 --> 01:40:26,239
really well. We do know that it's a it's
a minor inconvenience for the public

1163
01:40:23,760 --> 01:40:31,280
sometimes to have to walk around the
building to that single point of entry,

1164
01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:37,600
but for security purposes for the courts
and everything else, it makes the most

1165
01:40:33,679 --> 01:40:43,040
sense. Moving forward, this building is
going to change a little bit as well

1166
01:40:40,000 --> 01:40:47,679
where that second floor will be
transitioning to a new building uh in

1167
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:52,480
there. And even with the changes in the
laws that doesn't allow us to do full

1168
01:40:50,400 --> 01:40:56,880
security screening right now since we
have public access there once the second

1169
01:40:54,960 --> 01:41:02,239
floor essentially moves out into the new
building. This will be solely a

1170
01:41:00,000 --> 01:41:07,040
courthouse which we will be able to move
forward with the security screenings

1171
01:41:04,000 --> 01:41:12,239
that we had in the original plan. And so
the sheriff's office, the sheriff

1172
01:41:08,960 --> 01:41:18,880
doesn't feel that a change is is
necessary or really in the uh entrance

1173
01:41:15,760 --> 01:41:23,520
uh interest of the courthouse
moving forward.

1174
01:41:20,560 --> 01:41:26,800
» So um I was on that tour also.
>> Mhm.

1175
01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:29,840
» And um
they wanted no garbage cans.

1176
01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:34,960
» Y
>> we have garbage cans. They also wanted

1177
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:37,440
all of our bushes cut down. Yep.
>> We still have all of our bushes.

1178
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:42,719
» Yep.
>> We trimmed your bushes in the trees.

1179
01:41:40,080 --> 01:41:48,800
That was the compromise that we made for
the line of sight. So, and for most

1180
01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:52,719
part, those trash cans have been
essentially

1181
01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:56,719
uh changed instead of
>> Well, there's no flip blades on.

1182
01:41:54,159 --> 01:42:01,119
» Yeah, that's right there. So that we can
>> But we're not in compliance. better

1183
01:41:58,480 --> 01:42:06,320
account for
those explosive devices that we that we

1184
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:12,080
worry about. So,
so yes, like I said, we have done a lot

1185
01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:17,760
in terms of the recommendations by that
by that there as well. So, but uh like I

1186
01:42:15,280 --> 01:42:22,880
said, it it gets to be difficult to
continue to secure the building if we

1187
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:28,320
let everybody in
all of the entrances that we have all

1188
01:42:25,920 --> 01:42:32,719
the time.
So,

1189
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:34,880
» didn't we talk to Anthony about this and
and

1190
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:42,080
» I have.
>> Yeah. But he's in favor of our the way

1191
01:42:38,639 --> 01:42:46,880
it is right now. So,
>> we talked to him this morning.

1192
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:52,000
» Would finding signs be
>> I've recommended that we put signs up um

1193
01:42:49,520 --> 01:42:57,520
for a long time and they have not been
entertained. Um I guess I have a hard

1194
01:42:55,280 --> 01:43:02,800
time
I understand a single point of entry,

1195
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:06,719
but people can leave and let people in
from any of those entrances. During the

1196
01:43:04,960 --> 01:43:10,159
commissioners meeting, we perched the
door open for people to come in to this

1197
01:43:09,440 --> 01:43:13,199
door.
>> Probably should,

1198
01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:17,760
» but I mean, because it's accessible to
the public because this is where the

1199
01:43:14,880 --> 01:43:23,520
board meets. Um, I guess I'm just It
feels a little much like a moot point.

1200
01:43:20,400 --> 01:43:24,719
» The north door is also easily accessible
as well.

1201
01:43:24,239 --> 01:43:28,639
» Correct.
>> It is. It's not direct. They like

1202
01:43:26,639 --> 01:43:31,840
direct. They know how to use this.
>> Especially because we don't have

1203
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:36,320
commissioner meetings at nights anymore.
>> All those commissioner meetings are

1204
01:43:33,440 --> 01:43:39,800
during regular business hours. Access is
is still available.

1205
01:43:40,560 --> 01:43:47,199
» I I am the only one I I only have my
opinion and you know what that is and

1206
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:49,679
the board and the sheriff will do what
they choose with the building. and I

1207
01:43:48,320 --> 01:43:54,320
just felt like it needed to be brought
forward because um we get complaints

1208
01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:56,239
from the public and we're the ones that
hear it.

1209
01:43:55,360 --> 01:44:01,119
» So,
>> this board opens up these doors. It'll

1210
01:43:58,719 --> 01:44:04,320
make my life easy because at home I hear
why aren't those south doors open

1211
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:08,159
because I can walk
>> attorneys walk across the street.

1212
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:13,840
» A few more steps won't hurt you, Kevin.
Um, so, um, like I said, we acknowledge

1213
01:44:11,119 --> 01:44:19,840
that it's an inconvenience, but it's an
inconvenience and safety. So,

1214
01:44:18,239 --> 01:44:24,400
the fact that we've had very, very
little incidents [clears throat] here at

1215
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:26,480
the core house shows that those security
measures that we've installed have been

1216
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:29,440
working
>> well, only if there was a potential

1217
01:44:28,719 --> 01:44:32,719
problem.
>> I don't think that there were many

1218
01:44:30,639 --> 01:44:37,040
incidences prior to the doors. No, I
don't either. But that's

1219
01:44:35,040 --> 01:44:39,840
» But we did have some issues with those
doors being locked, those doors coming

1220
01:44:38,719 --> 01:44:43,040
open. I remember those
>> when all three of them were open. Yes.

1221
01:44:41,440 --> 01:44:46,560
» Yeah. And so, uh,
>> and Anthony has done a lot of work on

1222
01:44:44,719 --> 01:44:49,280
those front doors in order for them not
to do that.

1223
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:54,000
» Agreed. Because they would, they would
get stuck open and the wind would get

1224
01:44:51,440 --> 01:44:58,960
it. But I think with only opening one
door rather than all three because only

1225
01:44:55,920 --> 01:45:04,360
one has the key lock on it. that you
said and you're the only one opinion

1226
01:45:01,360 --> 01:45:04,360
here.

1227
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:11,840
» That's a discussion item. So I guess we
discussed

1228
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:13,920
» I don't see any So let me ask you this.
Who can see the cameras in the

1229
01:45:12,880 --> 01:45:15,679
courthouse right now?
>> So

1230
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:18,159
» can anybody in this building actually
view the cameras in like department

1231
01:45:17,280 --> 01:45:23,440
offices?
>> No, we're able to. The judges are able

1232
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:28,159
to. uh the detention center is able to
as well as

1233
01:45:26,480 --> 01:45:30,639
» because their doors can automatic the
assessors, the treasurers and the

1234
01:45:29,280 --> 01:45:33,440
clerk's office can be closed with a
visual button. [clears throat]

1235
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:39,280
» Um and I've done this for several
district court offices.

1236
01:45:35,840 --> 01:45:43,440
» So, and your door is always locked. The
attorney's door is always locked. So, if

1237
01:45:41,920 --> 01:45:47,520
the judges have a security issue,
anything above the second floor

1238
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:50,960
» becomes a courtroom security problem.
>> Judges doors are always locked as well.

1239
01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:55,280
zoom and like I said the cameras
installed are um there in the forier to

1240
01:45:53,600 --> 01:45:58,960
look at that front entrance and then we
have one on the second floor or two in

1241
01:45:57,440 --> 01:46:03,440
the second floor to be able to look at
the front entrances of the clerk

1242
01:46:01,520 --> 01:46:06,800
assessor and the treasurer as well.
>> Well, and and people's ability to carry

1243
01:46:05,040 --> 01:46:09,440
a firearm in here now has changed since
that assessment.

1244
01:46:07,520 --> 01:46:12,320
» Yes, it has.
>> Have you had any issues with people

1245
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:14,560
carrying the gun in here?
>> Inappropriately.

1246
01:46:13,280 --> 01:46:19,280
» Inappropriately. No.
>> Okay.

1247
01:46:15,040 --> 01:46:24,880
» No. No. There's a few folks that um not
firearms but knives obviously trying to

1248
01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:28,719
get in the courtroom and they usually
forget that they have their pocket knife

1249
01:46:26,239 --> 01:46:32,639
on them. So we have to ask them to
>> they're too explained

1250
01:46:29,679 --> 01:46:36,000
» to remove it. Not some
but

1251
01:46:33,520 --> 01:46:39,199
» but no we we really haven't had uh
really haven't had any issues with

1252
01:46:37,600 --> 01:46:45,360
people concealed carrying or open
carrying um there there in the

1253
01:46:42,000 --> 01:46:50,400
courthouse. So but we also get to um see
and address those issues um fairly

1254
01:46:48,480 --> 01:46:55,280
easily because like I said there is a
single point to be trained. So um the

1255
01:46:52,880 --> 01:47:00,719
core security officer that we have is is
able to see and recognize

1256
01:46:58,239 --> 01:47:04,639
» and if he's stationed or static on the
second third or fourth floor

1257
01:47:03,199 --> 01:47:07,199
» third floor
>> you count that as Yeah.

1258
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:10,000
» Yeah. Third floor has
>> basement. Okay.

1259
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:17,320
» Yep. when the third floor is there, like
I said, we get to he gets to see we have

1260
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:17,320
a monitor that has a camera on. So,

1261
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:23,040
» I don't see any reason why the south
doors need to be locked, but nor this

1262
01:47:22,719 --> 01:47:27,000
one
>> and I never have. So,

1263
01:47:28,960 --> 01:47:37,280
» I do I I don't know why I don't think
we're been relieved of that security or

1264
01:47:34,719 --> 01:47:41,600
that homeland security advice. how
>> the practices that we have are the same

1265
01:47:39,760 --> 01:47:47,119
standard procedure that you have at just
about every other courthouse uh in the

1266
01:47:44,159 --> 01:47:50,880
state. This is a single point of entry.
>> I'd like to see a copy of that

1267
01:47:48,320 --> 01:47:55,040
assessment. Um I have a conference with
SISA tomorrow, so I'll

1268
01:47:54,080 --> 01:47:57,119
» see [clears throat] how that's going.
They're barely operating right now.

1269
01:47:56,719 --> 01:48:01,119
» Yeah.
>> Under the CR. So, yeah.

1270
01:47:58,719 --> 01:48:05,520
» Right. Um but you should be able to see
it through rules and regulations for

1271
01:48:03,199 --> 01:48:07,199
court security through the um court
security commission through the Supreme

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01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:15,054
Court.
>> Okay. Oh, I think Mr. Wash is on that.

1273
01:48:12,800 --> 01:48:18,560
So
[snorts]

1274
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:22,000
» we'll just bring this up another time.
>> All right. [laughter] Again,

1275
01:48:20,719 --> 01:48:27,960
» yes, [clears throat]
>> we won't we won't table it. So we can

1276
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:27,960
bring it up whenever we want.

1277
01:48:32,239 --> 01:48:38,239
Item 22, approve vouchers for August
2026.

1278
01:48:36,719 --> 01:48:41,840
» Madam Chair, I move we approve vouchers
for August 46. Second.

1279
01:48:40,719 --> 01:48:45,199
» All those in favor?
>> I I

1280
01:48:42,480 --> 01:48:48,400
» I motion carried. Seeing no further
business before the board of county

1281
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:52,320
commissioners.
Um may I have a motion to adjourn?

1282
01:48:50,800 --> 01:48:56,960
» So moved. Second.
>> All those in favor? I I

1283
01:48:55,600 --> 01:49:00,520
» Thank you.
We are journed.