[7:58] No.
[8:01] [clears throat]
[8:46] » [clears throat]
[8:50] » Good morning. I'd like to welcome
everyone to the Albany County regular
[8:54] meeting of of the county commissioners
for September 1st, 2026.
[9:01] Uh, first item of business is um call to
order and roll call. Commissioner Gozar
[9:07] » here.
>> Commissioner Hoff
[9:09] » here.
>> Commissioner Jones present. Please stand
[9:12] and join me in the pledge of allegiance.
I pledge algiance to the flag of the
[9:19] United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands. One nation
[9:25] under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all.
[9:31] » Thank you.
[9:37] Item three, we have a public hearing
and it's for the Curry zoning district
[9:44] amendment application ZDA-03-26.
[9:51] Would anyone like to make public comment
on the Caduri zoning district amendment
[9:59] application?
[10:02] Terry, come on up.
[10:07] commissioners. Uh
I'm Carrie Grezer. Uh I have known the
[10:12] Gdoris since they came to town and their
son came to basic beginnings.
[10:19] » Um in addition to that, they're my
neighbors and uh in addition to that,
[10:26] they are my landlords.
I feel that I was fortunate enough to be
[10:30] one of the folks that was
uh able to get into the business part
[10:35] that they've built down on Skyline.
I believe them to be uh very
[10:42] experienced and sophisticated business
folks and I believe that if they are
[10:50] uh asking for this zoning change they
have very good reasons. I've seen in the
[10:54] business park that they built new
businesses come to Laramie, businesses
[10:59] expand in Laramie and
I believe it's probably good for Alman
[11:04] County and I know how much they've
invested in Al County. Thank you.
[11:09] » Thank you, Carrie.
>> Would anyone like else like to make
[11:13] public comment? Katie, come on up.
[11:18] » Uh, good morning, commissioners.
>> My name is Katie Ogden. I live at 4433
[11:23] Soldier Springs Road. I also submitted
written comment. Um,
[11:29] from my perspective, I think that the
zoning request warrants pretty careful
[11:34] consideration. Uh, I have concerns with
regard to traffic, especially turning on
[11:39] and off Soldier Springs Road. I
understand that there are plans for this
[11:43] to be RV and boat storage in addition
to, I presume, business space. Uh, I
[11:50] think that the left turn in the 55 mph
zone should be examined pretty
[11:56] carefully. Um, I also think that the
it's an inongruous land use. The rest of
[12:01] the area, I understand that there are
two small parcels on either side of the
[12:05] property that are currently zone
commercial, but the rest of it is
[12:08] residential and agricultural. Um, and I
don't necessarily think that it aligns
[12:12] with the goals of the Alb County growth
plan. And I think it's important that we
[12:16] do undertake strategic growth that
aligns with the plans that you know were
[12:21] discussed and publicly adopted and so
forth. Um generally speaking I think
[12:26] there are lots better places for this.
Uh I don't disagree with development in
[12:30] the broader sense. I just don't
necessarily think that this is the right
[12:33] place for this. I think zoning
regulations are in place for a reason
[12:37] and serve an important purpose um and
should not be you know set aside at
[12:43] every request. Uh, I also observed some
staff comments on the application that
[12:48] noted that it was an inongruous land use
and that it did not comply with the
[12:52] growth plan. Um, and I generally agree
with the planning and zoning zoning
[12:56] commission's decision to not recommend
approval of the zoning change. Um, but
[13:02] yes, I think that the traffic concern
should definitely be looked at more
[13:06] carefully and potentially addressed if
there's to be commercial development on
[13:08] that road. Um, it's already a little bit
of a problem. the left turns into Spur
[13:13] Ridge which are in a lower speed limit
zone than the 55 mph. Um we have you
[13:19] know a lot a lot of residential traffic
up and down Soldier Springs and it would
[13:24] be wise to widen it and put in a left
turn lane if we were to consider
[13:28] commercial development in what is almost
exclusively a residential area. The two
[13:33] pieces that are zone commercial also
don't generate a lot of traffic like KOB
[13:37] has one car in and out per day. um the
old that was a motel. It's why you know
[13:43] a hundred years ago when Soldier Springs
was the primary southbound artery. Uh
[13:47] that's not actually an operating
business. It's a purely residential
[13:51] facility where the Arcs live. Um so I
think the notion of surrounding
[13:56] commercial development justifying the
resoning is, you know, a little bit
[14:01] misleading. Um,
and I would just like to express my
[14:06] overall concern for zoning changes in
what is generally rural, residential,
[14:11] and agricultural areas.
So that's all. Thank you.
[14:16] » Thank you, Katie.
[14:20] » Would anyone Yes. Go on up.
>> You just state your name.
[14:25] » Yes. My name is Corbin Ditz. I own Arrow
Works, which is a business in the
[14:29] Skyline Business Park. I'm also a recent
graduate of the University of Wyoming
[14:33] College of Business and what I've come
to find um being in Laramie it's been
[14:37] really hard for our business to be able
to grow with whether it's you know
[14:40] university business space or other
business spaces really out of most price
[14:45] ranges when I consult and work with a
lot of other you know young businesses
[14:49] young companies and young founders it's
hard to find a space in Larmy to
[14:53] actually kind of grow and I think as a
as a state when we're talking about you
[14:57] know a mass exodus of students after
they graduate or they
[15:00] I think this is a a primary reason for
that is not being able to truly find
[15:05] space to be able to grow and work inside
the place that they really want to call
[15:08] home. Everyone that I've been fortunate
enough to hire and and uh work with has
[15:12] has loved Lar. They'd love to stay in
LA, but a lot of the times these these
[15:16] offices or these places are built for
other reasons and a lot of these, you
[15:20] know, young founders can't find a place
that either fits their needs or that is
[15:24] within their price range. And I think
for us it was an absolute godsend to be
[15:28] able to find one of them before they
before they filled up. And I was talking
[15:32] to Dr. Dur. I was like, "How much space
do you have?" Cuz we need as much as you
[15:35] can possibly give us. And he's like,
"Well, we got two little spaces here."
[15:38] And so, um, you know, over the last two
months or so, it's been an absolute, you
[15:42] know, pleasure to be able to work with
him, too. An absolutely amazing
[15:45] landlord. Really lets us build the space
to what fits us. And uh and there's
[15:49] really nothing else like that in Laramie
that's that's reasonable um and actually
[15:54] workable for our needs. Either a lot of
them need heavy upkeep, you have to
[15:58] purchase upfront, or the the square
footage cost is just too high or the
[16:02] building's too outdated, doesn't have
proper hookups and stuff. And working
[16:05] with Dr. Curry, being able to really do
whatever. And so I think with this new,
[16:09] you know, being able to reszone it, I
think would be extremely beneficial for
[16:14] not only the the county but also this,
you know, city and state to be able to
[16:18] keep a lot of these residents here if we
eventually build buildings, but also for
[16:21] people to be able to store and continue
to work in Alb County. Thank you.
[16:26] » What's your business name?
>> Arrow Works.
[16:28] » Is that a E R O W KS? Thank you so much.
Anyone
[16:38] else like to make public uh comment in
the public hearing? Yes, come on up.
[16:47] » Hi, Tony Whitman. Um I'm here
representing Eminem Repair. Um we're a
[16:53] small mechanic shop. We do part-time
after hours and weekends. My husband has
[16:58] a full-time job as well. Um, and I'm
also a volunteer on a couple of
[17:02] nonprofits, so that takes up a lot of my
time. Um, but definitely this space,
[17:07] we've been in business for about three
years, and we were downtown um by the
[17:11] car wash, and they raised our rent
double to what it had been, which made
[17:16] it impossible to stay in business there.
Um, so were it not for this space, we
[17:20] would no longer be in business. And we
do do a lot of community service,
[17:25] helping people that couldn't otherwise
afford to have their cars repaired. Um,
[17:29] so I really would like to see you
reszone this and allow him to create
[17:34] more space for businesses like ours.
>> Just to be clear, you're in the skyline.
[17:38] » We are.
>> Yeah. We I think we're fun one of the
[17:42] first in there after we got it built.
>> Very good. [clears throat]
[17:46] » Thank you.
>> Anyone else like to make public comment?
[17:51] Right. Come on up, Tom.
>> I'm Tom Paris. I own Go Plumbing. Um I
[17:59] have a building on Grand Avenue, but
storage space is limited. Um I have a
[18:06] unit in the Skyline Park with Dr.
Kaduri. Um which has opened up a a whole
[18:11] new world for us. Um I think one of the
biggest concerns of the community right
[18:17] now is cost of living on it. Um, as the
previous speaker stated, um, a small
[18:24] business being able to get into
operation has become incredibly
[18:28] difficult in Larmy. Um, the city council
has made it very difficult on small
[18:34] businesses. Um, I know for anybody
that's atheist or agnostic, we have
[18:41] settled that debate. The state supreme
court has told us that the University of
[18:46] Wyoming is in fact God on it. But it's
the small businesses. It's the small
[18:52] businesses that employ more people than
the University of Wyoming, more people
[18:58] than the cement factory. And so I think
that the commissioners need to view this
[19:03] as an opportunity to incentivize
small businesses in Larmy. November 3rd
[19:11] is coming up very quickly and at least
in my opinion I think that the vote is
[19:17] going to swing. People don't like paying
taxes. I don't nobody is is excited
[19:23] about it. At the point in time that the
property tax passes and they reduce
[19:28] residential taxes.
By my mathematic calculations, you're
[19:33] looking at a decrease of around $600,000
in revenue in counting revenue. Have I
[19:41] don't know if you guys have looked at
how you're going to make that up on it.
[19:46] Costs are continuing to rise. Costs of
employment, all the costs are rising.
[19:51] You're looking at a huge, huge deficit
on it. This is a means of taking a
[19:59] property that is currently sitting
vacant and turning it into more revenue
[20:05] for the county. It's simple mathematics.
As far as traffic pattern, it was not
[20:12] that many years ago and none of you were
on the board at that time when at the
[20:18] end of Vista Drive,
you passed it to reszone it so that they
[20:23] could have heavy equipment going over
the only bridge in that area to get to
[20:29] that entire area. and it was reszoned so
that there could be houses and business
[20:36] with heavy construction equipment going
across that road. That's the only
[20:40] entrance in and out that entire
[clears throat] area. So, I think that
[20:44] if that can be allowed, I really don't
see traffic pattern as being a problem.
[20:51] these the the area right now, the park
that he has does not have that much
[20:57] traffic in and out of that area
whatsoever. So, you're talking about
[21:03] taking a vacant chunk of property and
allowing it to become something useful
[21:09] that will produce revenue to help fund
what is currently taking place and what
[21:15] will be taking place after the November
3rd ballot election. And so, I think
[21:21] it's really a simple matter of
mathematics on it. I also don't believe
[21:26] uh speaking with Caduri that this entire
area is being turned into nothing but a
[21:32] business park. He's also looking at
being able to potentially have some
[21:37] residential houses with people being
able to have a business right next door
[21:42] to their house which is already taking
place in other places of Albany County
[21:47] to incentivize small business use of
properties. And so I would I would I
[21:55] would beg I would plead um with you to
please make mathematical sense of this
[22:02] because if we don't find another way if
you three don't find another way to
[22:07] increase revenue then there's only one
simple answer for it and that's going to
[22:13] be that the other properties the rental
properties that aren't going to be part
[22:18] of the tax ballot the business
properties that are not part of the tax
[22:22] ballot. You're going to have to increase
taxes on all of those places in order to
[22:27] meet your shortfall. That means that the
cost of living for everybody here in
[22:33] Larmy is going to skyrocket on it. The
rental prices that people are already
[22:38] complaining about,
you have no other choice. Where else are
[22:42] you going to get the funding other than
increasing the taxes on the people that
[22:46] aren't included in the November 3rd
ballot on it? Um, cost of living is is
[22:52] probably one of the biggest issues for
the people of Albany County right now,
[22:57] if not for the entire United States.
My personal experience with this,
[23:04] I'm able to purchase more items when
they're available at a cheaper price
[23:09] because I have the storage space now
available because I was fortunate enough
[23:14] [clears throat]
to get into a unit with Dr. Kaduri that
[23:18] allows me to charge customers less.
So if there's a little old lady that's
[23:25] sitting there that needs a water heater
replaced and can't afford it at regular
[23:29] prices,
I'm able to do it for less money because
[23:33] I was able to use the storage facility
to stock it with items that I could buy
[23:38] at a lower cost on. And so I think for I
I would beg for your consideration of
[23:44] the general public and how much Dr.
Caduri and these units have helped the
[23:51] entire county of Albany County. Thank
you.
[23:55] » Thank you very much, Tom.
>> Mr. Ferris, there is no we have no
[24:00] ability to raise taxes on businesses
that that's not something this board can
[24:04] do. So, I just want to let you know
>> I'm just on on property taxes. I'm
[24:09] saying that I I'm certain that behind
closed doors that the three of you have
[24:14] already discussed what you can do with
spending, what's going to happen with
[24:18] spending.
>> No, sir. We we don't discuss anything
[24:20] behind closed doors.
>> Yeah. And and we don't have the ability
[24:23] to raise taxes. So, if that initiative
passes, you'll have to find $600,000 in
[24:30] cuts or maybe more than that. Yeah. So I
think there's that understanding needs
[24:34] to be out there because we do not have
the ability to raise it would be put on
[24:39] balance just like the six cent tax is
put on balance and the people who are
[24:44] working people who are working don't
make it to vote on it are the ones who
[24:52] are going to pay for it by the other
people tired people who are able to pay
[24:58] » Can we clear this up right now? Yeah.
the county will lose $600,000 in
[25:02] services.
>> That's that's how that works.
[25:05] » It's money that doesn't go back into the
community.
[25:07] » The county will be looking for a way to
increase that.
[25:11] » No, the county will probably be looking
for projects that we can tax like wind
[25:14] turbines and data centers because we did
there's already counties in Wyoming that
[25:18] are having to turn.
>> We're not going to put data centers.
[25:20] » We're not we're probably not going to
put data centers in there. I'm just
[25:23] telling you that's the reality. That's
just the quick down and dirty.
[25:28] Like it or not, that's the counties have
very narrow guard rails on how they can
[25:33] collect money. Um, we don't enjoy the
same fees structure that the city has.
[25:38] » No. And with the university continuing
to buy properties that used to produce,
[25:42] » not arguing with
>> property tax,
[25:44] » you don't get one ounce of argument
>> and taking money away from the county.
[25:49] I've argued for a long time that
actually our state legislators need to
[25:54] ask for subsidy. Calvin County to offset
what the university is doing to us.
[26:01] » Yeah,
>> be a very simple answer.
[26:03] » Katie,
>> I just have like a I guess what I view
[26:06] as a
quick point of clarification for my own
[26:10] understanding, which is to say we're not
going to solve
[26:16] revenue shortages based on the zoning
change of one property. And I don't and
[26:22] I also understand the argument for any
development on vacant land. It generates
[26:27] more property taxes than having vacant
land. I get that too. Uh we have lots of
[26:32] vacant existing commercially zoned
actively for sale property in Albany
[26:37] County. And I don't think that
reszoning questions should come down to
[26:43] exclusively,
you know, the net benefit of another
[26:46] development in an already zoned
commercial area. Like I'm not opposed to
[26:50] commercial development. I'm not opposed
to broadening the tax base. I'm not
[26:54] opposed to any of that. It's just I
think the question before the
[26:57] commissioners is whether or not this
particular zon resoning application is
[27:04] appropriate, not whether or not
development is good. Like we all agree
[27:09] that development is good. We all agree
that more opportunity for small
[27:13] businesses is good. We all agree to
that. It's just whether or not this
[27:17] particular development is appropriately
placed based upon long-term planning
[27:22] initiatives and the impact to the public
and neighboring private property owners.
[27:28] I think it's wrongheaded to approach it
by saying if you don't approve this
[27:32] zoning application, you know, such and
such and such harm will befall the
[27:36] entire population of Albony County. It's
a bit hyp it's it's hyperbolic
[27:42] in my opinion.
Yes,
[27:48] » madame chair and commissioners. Good
morning. My name is Dr. Vijaya Kodori.
[27:53] I'm the property owner and applicant for
ZDA 0326 and I respectfully ask you to
[27:59] approve the zoning amendment for our
property at 1437 Rosedale Road. I
[28:05] personally attended the planning and
zoning meeting. I appreciate the time
[28:08] the commission spent on this application
including the concerns raised by the
[28:13] planning and zoning members and our
neighbors. I believe the discussion
[28:17] identified three central questions. How
should the Larmy growth area plan apply
[28:22] to this property? Is commercial zoning
appropriate in this particular location?
[28:28] And does resoning all the 57s create too
much uncertaintity about what could
[28:34] happen here in the future?
Those are legitimate questions. I would
[28:39] like to address each of them directly.
First, we respect the Larami growth area
[28:43] plan. We are not asking you to disregard
it. It is an important longrange
[28:48] planning document, but I respectfully
ask the board to use the plan as
[28:53] guidance for thoughtful decision making
together with the actual circumstances
[28:58] of this property and the county's
existing zoning review process. At the
[29:02] planning and zoning hearing, there was
significant discussion that the Larami
[29:07] growth area plan contemplated further
implementation including an
[29:11] intergovernmental agreement, additional
regulations and more detailed
[29:15] application of the conceptual land use
map. That implementation has not been
[29:21] completed.
I'm not saying that makes the LMI growth
[29:25] area plan irrelevant. I'm saying that a
conceptual estate residential
[29:30] designation should not by itself
automatically determine the outcome of
[29:35] an individual resoning application when
the county's own professional staff has
[29:41] completed a parcel specific analysis and
recommended approval. Staff also
[29:46] explained that under the property's
present zoning, this average could
[29:50] potentially be divided into
approximately 11 lots and indicated that
[29:55] such development would not itself
accomplish the residential pattern
[30:00] contemplated by the growth area plan. So
simply denying this application and
[30:05] leaving today's zoning in place does not
automatically implement the LAR growth
[30:10] area plan vision either. That is why I
ask you to look at this property, this
[30:15] location, and this record.
Albani County Planning Staff recommended
[30:21] approval of ZDA 0326.
Staff reviewed compatibility, roads,
[30:26] public services, environmental
considerations, surrounding development,
[30:31] and the growth area plan. Their
conclusion was that this application
[30:35] represents a logical extension of
existing commercial development rather
[30:40] than an isolated commercial use. The
property has direct access to the paved
[30:46] county maintained road. Road and bridge
said the impact on county roads would be
[30:51] small. Pi district number one considered
the project well thought out. The
[30:56] Wyoming Department of Transportation
raised no objection. Wyoming Game and
[31:01] Fish identified no crucial habitat issue
and provided ordinary recommendations
[31:06] concerning fencing and invasive species.
No reviewing agency identified an impact
[31:14] that makes responsible development of
this property unworkable.
[31:18] There was also discussion at planning
and zoning suggesting that approximately
[31:23] 78% of this surrounding land was
residential or agricultural. We went
[31:28] back and looked carefully at the
identified properties specifically along
[31:34] Soldier Springs Road. I have provided
the parcel information and zoning map
[31:39] exhibit for you to look at. Among the
identified Soldier Spring Roads
[31:45] properties in our analysis,
approximately 77% of the aces is already
[31:51] zoned commercial.
This property is not creating a
[31:56] commercial island in the middle of an
untouched residential area. It lies
[32:00] within an area that already contains a
significant mix of commercial,
[32:05] residential, and other uses. There is
also real evidence of demand, not simply
[32:10] a projection. Last year, this board
approved the zoning change for Skyline
[32:15] Business Park. We are grateful for that
decision because today there is a
[32:20] measurable result. I have also presented
an exhibit for your kind review.
[32:26] In approximately 11 months, Skyline
reached 100% occupancy with
[32:31] approximately 74,600
square ft leased to 19 local businesses
[32:37] who already moved in and are operating.
We continue to receive [snorts]
[32:42] inquiries from the businesses looking
for space. That experience demonstrates
[32:46] genuine demand in Albany County for
practical commercial and storage space.
[32:51] Our intended use at 1437 Rosedale is
comparatively low inensity enclosed flex
[32:58] storage space and dry storage for RVs
and boats.
[33:03] This is not an RV campground. This there
will be no RV sewage dumping operation.
[33:09] Our intention is to develop only a
limited portion initially while
[33:13] respecting drainage areas, setbacks,
buffering, fire requirements, access
[33:19] requirements and applicable
environmental standards. We are planning
[33:23] to leave most of the northeast parcel
undeveloped because of the low elevation
[33:28] and naturally existing creek. I also
heard planning and zoning's broader
[33:33] concern very clearly. If all 57 acres
become commercial, what could a future
[33:39] owner do someday? That is a fair
concern. Zoning runs with the land. And
[33:44] I understand that my personal intentions
cannot be the only basis for your
[33:49] decision.
If the breadth of future commercial uses
[33:53] across all 57 acres is the remaining
obstacle to approval, we are willing to
[33:58] work with planning staff and county
council on any legally available and
[34:03] enforcable solution. If county staff
determine that a smaller commercial
[34:08] area, subdivision facing appropriate
limitations or another legally
[34:14] permissible mechanism better address
that concern, we are willing to pursue
[34:19] that path. I would much rather solve the
board's legitimate concern than have an
[34:25] otherwise supportable project denied
because of a hypothetical future use
[34:30] that we are not proposing.
We also listen carefully to our
[34:35] neighbors regarding drainage and
groundwater. We will follow professional
[34:39] engineering requirements and protect the
drainage area identified on the
[34:43] property. Regarding wildlife and weeds,
we will follow the recommendations from
[34:48] Wyoming Game and Fish and the
Conservation District. Regarding septic
[34:52] and RV waste, again, this is a dry
storage, not a dump station. Regarding
[34:56] the neighboring KOB radio towers, we
take that concern seriously before
[35:01] construction that could potentially
affect the station. We are willing to
[35:05] obtain appropriate professional
engineering review and work with the
[35:10] station and the county to address any
legitimate technical issue. That is how
[35:15] we intend to approach every concern
raised about this development with
[35:19] evidence, professionals and solutions,
not assumptions. I also heard the
[35:24] concern that Albany County needs
housing. I agree that housing is
[35:29] important but the question today is not
whether Albany County needs housing in
[35:34] general. The question is what
constitutes appropriate land use for
[35:39] this particular property considering its
location, road access, surrounding uses
[35:44] and the evidence in this record.
Commissioners, I respect the
[35:48] recommendation made by planning and
zoning, but you now have the
[35:52] responsibility to look at the complete
record and make your own decision. The
[35:57] record before you contain several
important facts. Your professional
[36:01] planning staff recommended approval. The
agency reviews identified no
[36:06] unmanageable impact. There is
substantial existing commercial zoning
[36:11] along this corridor. There is
demonstrated demand for this type of
[36:15] space. Our proposed use is relatively
low intensity and we are willing to
[36:21] address the concern about the breadth of
the 57 acre commercial zoning through
[36:26] legally enforcable measures that county
staff and council determine or
[36:31] appropriate.
I'm not asking you to choose between
[36:36] responsible planning and responsible
private development. I'm asking you to
[36:40] accomplish both. Respect the growth area
of land, protect our neighbors, protect
[36:45] drainage and wildlife, protect
appropriate safeguards, and allow
[36:49] reasonable development where your own
professional review supports it.
[36:56] Last year, this board gave us an
opportunity with Skyland Business Park.
[37:00] Today, the results speak for themselves.
That space is fully occupied by local
[37:04] businesses that are working, growing,
employing people, and serving this
[37:08] community. It has created opportunities
not only for those businesses but also
[37:13] for the local plumbers, electricians,
heating technicians, garage door
[37:17] companies, contractors and other trades
that helped build and continue to
[37:22] support them. Most importantly, these
businesses and that economic activity
[37:27] are staying right here in Albani County.
Commissioners, we have already shown you
[37:33] what we do with an opportunity. We
invest, we follow through, and we create
[37:37] something our community actually uses.
Today, we are not asking you to take a
[37:43] chance on a promise. Our track record is
already in front of you. We are simply
[37:48] asking for the opportunity to
responsibly meet a need that Albani
[37:52] County businesses have already
demonstrated. I respectfully ask you to
[37:57] vote vote yes on ZD80326.
Thank you very much for your time and
[38:02] consideration.
>> Thank you very much. Would
[38:07] anyone else like to make comment for the
public hearing?
[38:13] » Madam Chair, I move that we close the
Kaduri zoning district amendment
[38:16] application ZDA-03-26
public hearing. Second.
[38:21] » All those in favor?
>> I.
[38:23] » I. Motion carries.
Item four. Do we have any comments from
[38:28] the public?
>> Could I speak?
[38:31] » Yes, please.
Madam Chair and Commissioners, um I just
[38:36] wanted to come forward and thank
everybody for all their help on the
[38:40] election on Tuesday. Um we've had a
successful day. It was our first attempt
[38:45] at vote centers. Um while Commissioner
Hoffnos, he was up in the office, helped
[38:50] us run ballots out to the fairgrounds in
various locations.
[38:53] » Uh we had some places that ran out of
ballots, but we were able to get them
[38:57] ballots. Nobody was disenfranchised with
the right to vote. We have our express
[39:01] votes which helped out immensely. Um,
we've got some things to work on for the
[39:05] general to make sure we have our numbers
correct. Of course, with everybody being
[39:09] able to vote at every location, it makes
it a little tricky on getting our ballot
[39:12] numbers out. But I just want to say
thank you and I have a list of people.
[39:16] So, if I miss somebody, I'm sorry, but
the Galb County School District for
[39:20] letting us use Harmony and Centennial.
It was really instrumental to have those
[39:24] uh those rural precincts that we had.
Sabil Wildlife Research, Larmy Peak and
[39:28] Rock River for all of our rural
locations, the fairgrounds for letting
[39:33] us use uh the location there, the
library, the W gateway. Um and the city
[39:39] of Laramie for letting us use their IT
people as well as the MOC. Um the
[39:44] sheriff's office, we had deputies at
every location. That is huge for us. It
[39:49] makes our voters feel more secure and we
were also able to use deputies to um
[39:54] transport ballots and equipment back
from our northern precincts which was
[39:58] really really instrumental for us on
election night. Um the IT office um we
[40:05] could not do this without them. I tell
you what, those four are amazing. Um my
[40:10] staff, judges, EMA office, Rodenbridge,
wow those guys are awesome on election
[40:18] day. Um the day before they are there to
help us set up everything and the day
[40:22] after they are there taking everything
down. Um Lincoln Community Center was
[40:27] another location as well. Um Secretary
of State's office of course uh the other
[40:32] county clerks around the state. It's
always helpful to have uh my other 22
[40:36] counterparts around the state to help us
out. Um
[40:41] I'm trying to think I I hope I didn't
miss anybody. Also another thing we had
[40:46] our handc count audit. Um that was
something new that happened um this
[40:50] election cycle. We have to do a 5% handc
count audit of ballots cast
[40:55] on election day. So we did that on what
day was that? Tuesday. I think it was
[41:01] Tuesday we did it. Um we had three um
three groups of four judges that did it.
[41:07] We did a great job. We started at 10:00.
We were done by 2:30. Um Jerry was one
[41:13] of my judges here. Um, this was the
first time we've ever done that and I
[41:17] think we did a really great job. Our
judges were great. We had no
[41:19] discrepancies. Um, the machines did
exactly what they were supposed to do
[41:24] and that's the whole point of that
handcount audit and I think that that
[41:27] gives us just more security in our
elections. Um, and the processes that we
[41:31] do. But I just cannot thank everybody
enough for all of their help on election
[41:35] day. We definitely couldn't do this
without a team effort. Um, so just thank
[41:39] you Alb County for for being there for
my office and also just helping out. So,
[41:44] thank you,
>> Kayla. Thank you for doing a really good
[41:46] job
>> in and venturing into untested waters.
[41:51] » Yes.
>> And your election staff.
[41:54] » Yes. Yes. And your question.
>> Well, good morning.
[41:57] » Hi, Darren White. Uh, I just wanted to
echo what Kayla said. They did a great
[42:00] job. The only thing that I would say,
and we've talked to Kayla about this, is
[42:04] that there are a number of people who
said, "I didn't know about the vote
[42:07] centers." And I think that the county
clerk's office did a phenomenal job
[42:10] getting the message out, but it's
incumbent upon all of us to tell
[42:14] everybody that we know for November uh
that they can vote early starting
[42:18] October 6 here. They can't vote here on
November 3rd that they can vote at any
[42:22] of the other 10 vote centers.
>> Yeah.
[42:24] » So, thank you.
>> Did on the vote center, did you have a
[42:27] list of places that people could go?
>> We did. So, we had a list on the door
[42:31] out there and of course anybody that
came into the office, we let them know.
[42:35] We have it on our website and of course
we have the wait times on the website as
[42:38] well. I think it was really exciting. I
think at every single one of our rural
[42:43] precincts we had city people that voted
out there because they have the ability
[42:47] to do that. People can choose where they
want to vote. It gives our voters way
[42:51] more accessibility. It gives them the
ability just to get to go where they
[42:55] want to go. I mean if you wanted to take
a nice drive up to Laramie Peak on
[42:58] election day, you can do that. Then you
can go vote. I mean really it gives you
[43:02] that ability to do that. Um, and I hope
that um, like Darren said, I think the
[43:08] biggest thing is getting the word out
there. Um, you know, we do the best that
[43:11] we can, but there's some voter
responsibility, too. Um, we did post
[43:17] notices at all of the locations that
used to be vote are, you know, the like
[43:22] the Indian Paint Brush, Late School, all
the schools that used to be polling
[43:25] places. We did post notices on the door
to let them know where they could go and
[43:29] vote. Um, but really it's just getting
the word out there and I think it's a
[43:33] lot of word of mouth as well. So, but
thank you everybody for all of your
[43:37] help. I really do appreciate it.
>> Well, I think it's very successful.
[43:42] Super.
[43:46] » Anyone else like to um make comments
from the public?
[43:52] » Madam Chair, I move that we close public
comment. Second.
[43:56] » All those in favor? I
>> I motion carries. Any considerations
[44:02] of changes to the agenda?
>> Good morning, Tracy.
[44:06] » Good morning, Madam Chair and
commissioners. I would like to remove
[44:09] item 10, which is the bonding amount for
the Albony County Fairgrounds
[44:13] grandstands project um through the 2026
specific purpose excise tax. Who made
[44:19] that so wordy?
>> It's probably me. [laughter]
[44:23] » Um I was unable to prepare. I wanted to
be able to give you a better financial
[44:27] analysis of um bonding bonding different
amounts versus the the money that we
[44:34] have in our reserves and how they're
invested in the timeline of those
[44:37] investments before um having you guys
make a decision. I plan to bring this
[44:41] back at the next meeting and also we'll
have at that time a resolution prepared.
[44:47] So if you choose to do some bonding then
um we can just plug that into the
[44:51] resolution at the time as well. Tracy,
in that analysis with you also including
[44:55] the B schedule with the bonding
>> just so we're actually getting max
[44:59] apples to apples.
>> Yes. And
[45:01] » because that's isn't that based on
percentage 5 [clears throat] million is
[45:05] » for for um Kaiser wealth management fee.
Should you um approve item 11 today? Um,
[45:12] there will be attorney fees, which I can
reach out to Rick Thompson to find out
[45:18] what his he's got kind of a a feel for
it and I can look back at the 2018
[45:24] bet to see. I'm sure there's going to be
some inflationary price increases since
[45:28] then, but yes, I can try to have a
better feel for what those fees would be
[45:32] as well.
>> Great. Thank you.
[45:37] » Any disclosures to
more changes? I'm sorry, Commissioner.
[45:42] » Good morning. I would like to add two
items this morning. The first is to
[45:48] present for approval the installation of
gutters and downspouts at the
[45:52] fairgrounds pursuant to the estimate
from windfall roofing exteriors which
[45:58] has been approved by insurance as part
of the claim for the roof replacement.
[46:04] The second is to present for approval
removal and replacement of the damaged
[46:08] and broken ceiling tiles. That estimate
is from Southeastern Wyoming insulation
[46:13] and has also been approved by insurance
as part of
[46:18] um that roof replacement project.
>> Doesn't matter where those go.
[46:22] » It does not.
>> So I do 19 A and B.
[46:27] » You can do it clear at the end if you
want.
[46:29] » That's pretty close to clear at the end.
>> Okay.
[46:33] Thank you.
[46:38] » Any other changes to the agenda this
morning?
[46:47] » Any disclosures?
>> Mad for me.
[46:50] » Nor I.
>> Nor I.
[46:53] Item seven, approval of the consent
agenda.
[46:56] » Madam chair, I move we approve the
consent agenda as presented.
[46:59] » Second.
>> All those in favor? I
[47:01] » I motion carries.
Move on to the regular agenda. The first
[47:07] item on the regular agenda is number
eight. Discuss placement of the new sign
[47:13] and alternate options.
[47:18] Come on up.
[cough]
[47:22] » Morning.
>> Good morning.
[47:23] » Um I brought the sign. It's out there.
>> I did. I went out and looked. Yes, I
[47:29] did. you get an idea of uh how tall it
is and how long the trailer is and
[47:34] stuff. Um, also I just got a quote. It's
just one quote. I'm still waiting on
[47:40] more to remove the planter boxes.
And I sent that to you guys email. When
[47:45] I get the other two, I'll be back up
here. But just to get an idea, um, the
[47:50] first quote, they quoted uh $45,000
to remove that planter box,
[47:56] [clears throat] which I think is a lot
of money. It is.
[47:59] » But um
>> well, one of the line items on there is
[48:02] permit and planning.
>> So I I talked to him about that. He said
[48:05] that uh HK, he talked with the city.
They want um not only for them to get
[48:12] permits, they want a site plan and they
want architectural drawings, what it's
[48:16] going to look like after the planter box
is removed.
[48:19] » That's really easy to do. You just go
out there and look. You can
[48:22] » Yeah.
>> Any third grader can con can youize
[48:25] that. So, um, just let you know that's
what the city's wanting for that. Um,
[48:32] and, uh,
um, also we we do move forward this. I'd
[48:39] like guidance on what we're going to do
for electrical.
[48:43] You want me to get quotes
running conduit underground? We're going
[48:48] to have outlets at the building. Um, how
do we want to power this thing? or are
[48:54] we just going to use the generator?
Uh
[48:59] » I so I thought that we had discussed
this about
[49:04] running the conduits
underground.
[49:10] So there's nothing for anybody to trip
over any of that.
[49:13] » I mean I think that'd be best for safety
and stuff so you know people don't trip
[49:19] over these two inch [clears throat]
thick you know extension cords and
[49:21] stuff. Plus the if if in the winter time
if there's snow out there, which is
[49:27] going to come eventually.
>> Yeah.
[49:29] » Um we don't want to tear that stuff up
either.
[49:32] » Yeah. Um
>> we don't have to run it that far now
[49:37] since the planner's looking.
>> Yeah.
[49:41] » Or the one planter will be gone.
>> And it will it will
[49:46] possibly
the trailer's about 25 ft long. That
[49:50] planter box is about 25 ft long. So,
it'll take up that whole
[49:53] » right
>> that whole area. I don't think we'll be
[49:55] in the sidewalk, which is good.
>> But, um, you know, just
[50:02] when I was sitting there waiting for
those quotes and stuff, um, I think the
[50:06] planter boxes are newer than the flag
pole. I think I don't really know.
[50:10] There's a plaque out there that, you
know, says this stuff was donated and
[50:15] installed in 1936.
I don't know how accurate that is, but
[50:21] my opinion to remove something that was
handcarved stone that we can't replace
[50:28] and park a trailer there. I don't think
it's a good idea. It's just my personal
[50:33] opinion. Um just about everyone I've
talked to don't think that it's a good
[50:37] idea as well. I don't know what the
alternative would be, but um I do know
[50:44] we're approved to get that new building
installed. Maybe we could start planning
[50:49] on having that fully incorporated into
the new building or when we purchase
[50:53] land, put that sign out there on the
trailer advertising this [clears throat]
[50:57] is where the new building is going to
go. Um
[51:01] I'm not sure, but I just thought I would
voice uh my thoughts on this this whole
[51:06] thing. I'd hate to remove something that
we can't replace those those handcarved
[51:12] stones and uh put a trailer there.
[51:18] If they I'm in agreement with you on
that. Um I think that uh when we get the
[51:24] new building um we can [clears throat]
use that as a piece for architecture. Um
[51:28] I'm not interested in putting a trailer
out in front of a really nice old
[51:32] building house.
[51:36] Um I think it will look
[51:40] for uh to say the least. Um, and we
don't have to put it up right now. We
[51:46] don't have to back it in right now. Um,
can we put it in other places in the
[51:51] meantime? I think for the elections we
were talking about with Mr. Wyatt, uh,
[51:57] be nice to let people know that
everybody go to a vote center and so we
[52:00] can move that about the county. Um, but
you know, I just I don't like the idea
[52:06] of putting it up front, backing it in,
backing it out, and then, you know, so
[52:12] I mean, obviously, I'm going to whatever
directive you give me, that's what I'm
[52:16] going to do. So,
um, like I said, I'm still waiting on
[52:20] two more quotes. When I get those, I'll
give them to Cammy and I'll be back up
[52:24] here.
>> Well, did that I'm just curious, but I'm
[52:29] in agreement that
We need to just wait and put that sign
[52:35] up in the next building. But did that
quote include cleaning that stone?
[52:39] » Yeah, I did. Um
>> Okay, that makes a big difference why
[52:42] it's so expensive. Okay.
>> Well, part of it was included because I
[52:46] talked to him right right before this
meeting. Um part of it was uh um
[52:52] carefully removing the stone and trying
to save as much as possible. And then
[52:57] underneath that is just dirt. Uh, so
that price also included just putting
[53:03] rock,
you know, so the trailer can drive onto
[53:07] it. Um, which is that part's not that
expensive, but wasn't sure if we wanted
[53:12] to concrete,
you know, over that spot or just put
[53:15] rock there in the meantime or what. I
wasn't sure if we do get the new
[53:20] building and we move the sign, what
we're going to do with that empty space
[53:23] afterwards, you know, I wasn't sure. So,
>> so um that what are what are your
[53:30] thoughts?
>> I don't have anything positive to say,
[53:32] so I'm not going to say it.
[clears throat]
[53:35] » I'm trying so hard to be positive. Um
>> it's going to get stored. We're going to
[53:39] forget about it in 5 years and it's
going to deteriorate.
[53:42] » Well, I will store it inside.
>> Well, I don't I mean, it it is a 25 foot
[53:48] trailer.
You know, it's really long
[53:51] » and in reality, it's the city that's
forced us into this situation.
[53:57] » I thought maybe we could park it in
different parking lots, but but it's 25
[54:02] foot long, so I don't know where we
would put it in parking lots, but know
[54:06] thought about the library and thought
about
[54:10] » it's way too small.
>> You know,
[54:13] » I'm also concerned the generator is
going to come up missing. It's a really
[54:16] nice really nice generator on it.
>> Yeah. Well, I that's why I think that we
[54:20] can't just park it around places because
it will be parts and pieces that find
[54:27] new homes.
Um,
[54:30] can it be the first thing if if and when
we do purchase property, can it be maybe
[54:35] the first thing that is installed there?
Not on a but at
[54:39] » Yeah. Even probably five years now. Yes.
It's probably five years down the road.
[54:44] I completely agree with you.
>> Yeah.
[54:45] » Um
>> yeah, because it's sitting like that,
[54:47] it's not going to be
>> It would be nice to be able to utilize
[54:50] it if we could during election time. I
don't know how because it is so big. Um
[54:56] » Well, I think the one comment I had from
Adam was he was concerned about people
[55:00] tampering with the sign and
>> misusing or mis
[55:04] I don't
>> I think that we run that risk anywhere
[55:08] we put it. So,
[55:12] » um, I did ask him, "Hey, what if we put
it in the grass, you know?" He said,
[55:17] "Well, it's it's weather resistant. It's
designed to be out in the rain and the
[55:23] snow and stuff, but he said, "I would
not recommend putting it somewhere where
[55:27] a sprinkler is going to constantly hit
it."
[55:32] » Uh, that's not a good idea, he said,
too. So, I thought about that. We could
[55:36] cap off some sprinkler heads and then
there'd be a large portion of lawn.
[55:40] [laughter]
>> Let's let's try to make the problem
[55:44] smaller, not big.
[55:50] » Anyway, that's that's what I got so far.
That's my thoughts on it.
[55:53] » Well, can we check with out at the SARS
building and see if we can store that
[55:58] inside? So, I did talk with uh a lot of
I talked with Michelle who works over in
[56:05] that building and a lot of the deputies.
Um they don't want that thing in their
[56:11] SAR building because they and I'll admit
they they don't have much room in the
[56:15] » big search and rescue trailer and all
their equipment.
[56:19] » You know, right now where it's at, they
can't even get back to their cage
[56:22] because it's blocking the only spot
left. Um, if we could just park it out
[56:27] there and I can get a big tarp, canvas
tarp or something and throw over it. I
[56:32] mean, it's designed to be outside and it
will be outside once it's installed
[56:36] anyway.
>> Um, Taylor, is there room at the
[56:39] fairgrounds? Put that inside for a
while.
[56:42] » I can go with Anthony and look at it,
but we should have room. Um, we could
[56:46] put it in where we do our winter storage
because we'll start bringing that stuff
[56:50] in in October. We could definitely until
April at least.
[56:56] » What do you guys think? So
>> fine.
[56:58] » How [clears throat] tall is it?
>> It's shorter than your It's shorter than
[57:03] your um
>> If it's shorter than our camper, then we
[57:06] can fit it.
>> Yeah, that's good. Yeah,
[57:08] » that's good. Yeah.
>> And then I told Kayla, but we can
[57:12] advertise the boat centers on our sign
out at the fairgrounds, too.
[57:15] » So, I didn't even think about that
beforehand, but
[57:18] » Thank you.
>> We can I'll work with her to come up
[57:19] with
>> mortgage. Yeah, for our sign and design
[57:22] it. So,
>> okay, that's very kind. Thank you.
[57:25] » Thank you. And um
>> Yeah,
[57:28] » I didn't measure the height. I didn't
hit any stop points on the way.
[57:32] » Well, I know how tall their camper is.
>> If it's shorter than their camper, it
[57:38] came out.
>> Needs to be shorter by about a foot and
[57:39] a half.
>> Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is.
[57:41] » Because it doesn't fit [clears throat]
in anything out there. So,
[57:43] » I'm going to say that and then I'll have
to stick walk it back and say, "Whoops."
[57:47] Well, um, whenever Bud's back and we get
through high school rodeo this weekend,
[57:51] I can have him come over, too. But I can
go out with Anthony and look at it and
[57:54] we can measure it and
>> Perfect.
[57:55] » We should have a barn that it'll fit in.
>> Okay.
[57:59] » So,
yeah, that's not a problem.
[58:02] » Okay.
[58:05] » Anthony, thank you.
>> More questions for me? [laughter]
[58:08] » This project has gone completely crazy
and
[58:13] » I know we had a timeline to decide all
these things and we were
[58:18] thrown some wrenches in the mix on the
second variance and stuff. Uh but at
[58:23] least the grant is obligations fulfilled
and we have it. We can decide finally
[58:28] what we want to do with this.
>> Well, and it's in hand now. So that's
[58:33] » so
>> um that's a big plus too. So and you
[58:37] have put lots of time in on this
project. Thank you very much.
[58:43] » Thank you.
[58:50] Item nine, present for consideration the
Caduri zoning district applica amendment
[58:56] application ZDA-03-
[59:01] 26. David, good morning.
>> Good morning, Madam Chair,
[59:05] commissioners.
Um, [clears throat]
[59:09] so the applicant is Dr. Kaduri. He's
also the owner of the property.
[59:15] um which is at 1437 Rosedale Road.
They're requesting a zoning district
[59:20] amendment to change the zoning to
commercial. Um [clears throat] just to
[59:26] describe what you're approving or not
approving today would be uh the zoning
[59:31] district amendment is you're basically
changing the zoning map to from what it
[59:36] is now rural residential or ranchets,
excuse me, to commercial. meaning the
[59:41] map changes and now there's a whole
different um bunch of of uses that can
[59:47] be done on the property that are for
commercial businesses and there's quite
[59:51] a wide variety of those. Um so we're not
we're not approving any specific use. We
[59:58] are just
the request is to approve um new zoning
[1:00:03] on the property which opens up the door
for a number of different uses. Um so
[1:00:09] there was a number of folks that um this
application was sent to. Um
[1:00:16] quite a few of them didn't have any
concerns. Um Larry Rivers Conservation
[1:00:21] District just reminds land owners of the
care that should be taken to minimize
[1:00:26] land disturbance. Recommends quick
reclamation of disturbed areas with
[1:00:30] native grasses and shrub species. notes
that the conservation district will help
[1:00:35] with recommendations of native grass
species and planting information.
[1:00:41] Um they also noted that there was a
portion of the property that was very
[1:00:46] limited for development buildings due to
shallow depth of groundwater and
[1:00:50] seasonal surface water flows. Um the
Wyoming Game and Fish Department
[1:00:55] reviewed this. They just recommend
avoidance of fencing that restricts big
[1:01:00] game and wildlife friendly fencing if
fencing is proposed. Um it's recommended
[1:01:07] that they
um that the following be done to reduce
[1:01:11] reduce invasive species, clean vehicles
and
[1:01:14] equipment prior to con construction
activity and developing a plan with Alb
[1:01:19] County to assess, treat and monitor
invasive species. Um the city of Laramie
[1:01:25] almost also commented on this. Philip
Gaburer um planning manager recommends
[1:01:30] denial of the request and notes future
development of the property should be in
[1:01:34] accordance with the state residential
future land use designation of the Larmy
[1:01:39] growth area plan. Larmy yeah lar grow
plan. Um so the basic proposal is to
[1:01:47] change there's 57 acres out here ranchet
to commercial. Um and this is is
[1:01:54] contiguous to to Soldier Springs Road
and then Rosedale Road
[1:02:00] also access provides access to this
property.
[1:02:05] Then
[1:02:10] get
[1:02:20] all right. So
my analysis of this application
[1:02:27] um so approval of this zoning district
amendment proposal um to change this to
[1:02:33] commercial zoning
um would allow the property to develop
[1:02:38] with uses that are compatible with
surrounding commercial uses. Um the
[1:02:43] property has direct access to paved
county maintained road and is located in
[1:02:47] close close proximity to city of Larmy
allowing allowing for efficient access
[1:02:53] to emergency services. The applicant has
demonstrated that potential impacts
[1:02:58] associated with the dis zoning district
amendment have been addressed. The land
[1:03:02] use allowed by right or through the
conditional use application process in
[1:03:07] the commercial zoning district are
generally compatible with the existing
[1:03:10] mix of land uses of the surrounding
properties. Um there's a number of
[1:03:15] different uses um and zoning types in
the vicinity out here. Um the
[1:03:21] compatibility is expected to minimize
land use conflicts and support logical
[1:03:25] growth pattern in the area. The proposed
district amendment is generally
[1:03:29] consistent with the goals and policies
of the Albony County comprehensive plan
[1:03:32] for the following reasons. Proposal um
furthers a comprehensive plan's vision
[1:03:37] of promoting economic development and
growth efficiency. The proposed
[1:03:41] commercial zoning district will provide
opportunities for additional businesses
[1:03:44] to in invest um and increase the
county's tax base. The proximity to the
[1:03:51] city of Laramie and nearby emergency
services supports comprehensive plans.
[1:03:55] the goals of growth efficiency by
directing development to areas having
[1:03:59] adequate access to public services. This
property is in an area designated as
[1:04:03] priority growth area 3. This designation
recognizes the potential for small
[1:04:07] convenienceoriented
commercial uses. Commercial zoning
[1:04:11] district includes a includes a very
variety of uses that are consistent with
[1:04:15] the recommendation.
Um, rural commercial land use
[1:04:19] designation in the Albony County
Comprehensive Plan notes that rural
[1:04:24] commercial areas should be located at
intersections of major roads to take
[1:04:28] advantage of higher traffic volumes and
have water and sewer availability. The
[1:04:32] property has direct access to a paved
county maintained road, a future in
[1:04:37] intersection with 15th Street, a future
major arterial. Um, and Soldier Springs
[1:04:42] Road is shown on the major street plan
just north of this property. Although
[1:04:46] municipal water and sewer are not
currently available, domestic wells and
[1:04:50] small wastewater systems provide
feasible methods of serving commercial
[1:04:54] development until such services become
available. The staff finds the proposal
[1:04:58] is generally consistent with the intent
of the rural commercial land use
[1:05:02] designation. [clears throat] So based on
these points, staff finds the zoning
[1:05:05] district amendment um application
generally consistent with the goals and
[1:05:09] policies of the comprehensive plan. Um
this property is also shown in the Larmy
[1:05:15] growth area plan as
estate residential. Um it is also
[1:05:21] contiguous to an area designated
neighborhood commercial. So um to extend
[1:05:27] commercial um from that neighborhood
commercial designation um what seems
[1:05:32] logical and um consistent with the
intent of the plan. um planning and
[1:05:39] zoning commission reviewed this and and
discussed um discussed the application.
[1:05:46] They discussed the proposal's
consistency with the adopted land use
[1:05:50] plans and surrounding areas. The
majority of the commission determined
[1:05:53] that the proposed commercial zoning is
not consistent with the Albony County
[1:05:57] conser comprehensive plan because the
property is located with priority within
[1:06:01] the priority growth area 3 which
supports residential uses on large lots
[1:06:06] and small neighborhood oriented
businesses. The majority note that the
[1:06:10] use is identified in the application may
not be consistent with the intent of the
[1:06:14] priority growth area 3 designation.
Majority also noted that although the
[1:06:18] neighborhood commercial future land use
designation in the Larmy growth area
[1:06:22] plan is adjacent to property, the estate
residential future land use designation
[1:06:27] applicable to the property should guide
future development. In addition, the
[1:06:31] majority determined that the size of the
property approximately 57 acres would be
[1:06:37] incompatible with the surrounding land
use power pattern. Most properties
[1:06:41] adjoining the proposed zoning amendment
are currently used for agricultural
[1:06:45] residential purposes. One member of the
planning zoning commission disagreed
[1:06:48] with majority's assessment. This member
stated that the learning growth area
[1:06:53] plan should not be relied upon because
it has not been significantly
[1:06:56] implemented since its adoption three
years ago. The member also believed that
[1:07:01] the application satisfied the required
findings for approval. Planning zoning
[1:07:06] commission had voted to deny the
application based on incompatibility
[1:07:10] incompatibility with the surrounding
area inconsistency with the AB county
[1:07:15] comprehensive plan and the Larmy growth
area plan. The motion carried um by a 4
[1:07:20] to one vote. Um so their re the
recommendation is to deny the Kaduri
[1:07:26] zoning district amendment based upon the
applicant's failure to demonstrate that
[1:07:30] the proposed zoning district amendment
complies with the criteria
[1:07:34] specified in the zoning resolution
chapter 35 subsection C uh 6B and C
[1:07:43] 1 as follows. The proposed zoning
district amendment is not consistent
[1:07:47] with the Alb County comprehensive plan
for growth area 3 because the commercial
[1:07:52] uses allowed by the zoning resolution
are not limited to small neighborhood
[1:07:56] oriented businesses. The proposed
commercial zoning district is not
[1:07:59] consistent with the estate residential
future land use designation shown on the
[1:08:04] Laram Growth area plan map. Um, and the
proposed commercial zoning district is
[1:08:08] not compatible with existing
agricultural and residential uses in the
[1:08:14] area. So, um, I would be happy to answer
any questions that you may have.
[1:08:23] » To your knowledge, when was the last
time we did a traffic study? And this is
[1:08:26] probably a question for Jake. A traffic
study on Soldier Springs Road.
[1:08:31] I know when they don't know when they
leave covered it um at a constituent's
[1:08:35] request, Rob actually changed the no
passing zone out farther to accommodate
[1:08:42] » uh some of the housing developments back
from Soldier on Yeah. from Soldier
[1:08:47] Springs um back, but I don't believe a
traffic study was done at that time.
[1:08:53] » Yeah, I'm not aware of a traffic study
out there. Not that there hasn't been
[1:08:56] one, but I I just don't know.
There should be one soon with that safe
[1:09:01] streets for all grant. That just is
starting off though. So
[1:09:05] » yeah, but what is soon?
>> The year.
[1:09:09] » But the grant would end in 2028. So
>> it'll be in the next two years.
[1:09:14] » Within the next two years.
>> Okay.
[1:09:17] » David, your staff report indicates this
is a small neighborhood oriented
[1:09:21] business. 57 acres small neighborhood
oriented business. Can you explain that
[1:09:26] to me? uh this small neighborhood
oriented business would be the actual
[1:09:30] businesses on the property. What we're
asking or what is being asked is to
[1:09:34] change the property to um commercial
zoning. So that that has nothing to do
[1:09:40] with
>> No, your staff two different things.
[1:09:42] » No, your staff report said it was
consistent with priority growth area
[1:09:46] three which ensures small neighborhood
oriented businesses. you you can you can
[1:09:53] on um commercial property they can
develop small neighborhood oriented um
[1:09:59] businesses on there.
>> What they're saying is no Walmart in
[1:10:02] that spot.
>> If it's own commercial, then it could
[1:10:07] have a Walmart in that spot.
>> Right. Our our commercial zoning
[1:10:11] district allows for a number of uses.
Small businesses, large medium
[1:10:16] businesses, and large businesses.
>> Yeah, I understand that. But this is
[1:10:20] priority growth area three and it's at
that if it's commercial it'll be small
[1:10:27] neighborhood
oriented businesses and that's right
[1:10:30] from priority build area three
>> correct
[1:10:33] » I think for me that envisions
convenience stores barber shops um child
[1:10:40] care facilities um 57 acres is not a
small neighborhood oriented business
[1:10:45] that's my take on um so I would disagree
with with your staff parking and green
[1:10:51] the commission the planning and zoning
commission. Um I also think that once
[1:10:56] you change it it changes forever. So
that goes with the land. The land now
[1:11:01] becomes a commercial land and whatever
wants to be done with it can be done
[1:11:04] with it as long as it been commercial.
Um you can people can be well intended.
[1:11:12] People can tell you what exactly what
they're going to do with that land but
[1:11:15] that is not what has to happen with that
land. Once that is commercial, all the
[1:11:19] things that are commercial can happen to
that. Um, and although the applicant
[1:11:25] said they're willing to uh work and sign
things, it's a little late. Force is out
[1:11:31] of the bar. Um, and so I think that uh
if that is an intention, if the
[1:11:37] applicant wants to do something
different, um, they need to do it before
[1:11:42] this body would change that commercial
zoning the entire park. Um,
[1:11:48] I do think we have to have some
consideration of Larmy growth plan. This
[1:11:52] body passed that plan. Uh, it was two
years and hundreds of thousands in the
[1:11:59] making. Um, so um I don't think this
applies this uh priority growth area
[1:12:07] three. This doesn't fit. I don't think
it fits with the larger growth area
[1:12:10] plan. I don't feel like it's a good idea
with a 55 mile per hour. you always know
[1:12:16] that term. Um there's a lot of problems
in there um that I think we should be
[1:12:22] cognizant about and we should be um we
should respect flying donation
[1:12:26] commission's recommendation that was a 4
to1 vote um and
[1:12:32] you know and the economic benefit and
all that that's great right that doesn't
[1:12:39] come to determine planning and zoning we
are saying does this planning and zoning
[1:12:44] thing being asked for fit with this
area. I don't think it does.
[1:12:51] » I'm of the same opinion. If we could
issue issue a conditional zoning
[1:12:56] application and it stayed in the owner's
possession for the next 3 to 5 years and
[1:13:01] they did exactly what they would do, it
stayed permanently. Um otherwise, it
[1:13:06] would revert back. But we don't have
that ability. Um, I also have
[1:13:10] significant um concerns about Soldier
Springs Road um and would be fearful of
[1:13:15] changing this zoning to commercial um
with what we don't know about the road
[1:13:21] with the turning lanes, the approaches.
Um, I think you need a traffic study
[1:13:27] before
this something like this would be
[1:13:30] changed. I I I think it could end up
costing the county significant amount of
[1:13:34] dollars if there's if we're found to
need revisions on that road prior to
[1:13:40] approval of this.
[1:13:44] If there's no further discussion,
>> Madam Chair, I move that we deny the
[1:13:50] Caduri zoning district amendment
ZDA-03-26
[1:13:54] based upon the applicant's failure to
demonstrate that the proposed zoning
[1:13:57] district amendment complies with the
criteria specified in AZR
[1:14:02] chapter 3 section 5 subsection C6B and
C1 as follows. Um, and then
[1:14:13] one, the proposed commercial zoning
district is not consistent with the
[1:14:16] Alman County Comprehensive Plan priority
growth area three because the commercial
[1:14:20] uses allowed by the zoning resolution
are not limited to small neighborhood
[1:14:23] oriented businesses. Two, the proposed
commercial zoning district is not
[1:14:26] consistent with the state's residential
future land use designation shown on the
[1:14:30] land growth area plan. And three, the
proposed commercial zoning district is
[1:14:34] not compatible with the existing
agriculture and residential uses in the
[1:14:37] area.
>> Commissioner Doar would uh entertain
[1:14:42] friendly amendment to renew part three
of that.
[1:14:47] » Uh accepted and I'll second.
>> All those in favor?
[1:14:52] » I I
>> I motion carries. Thank you.
[1:14:57] Um
[1:15:01] on to item 11.
Present for approval mis mis municipal
[1:15:08] advisory agreement between the count the
between the board of county
[1:15:13] commissioners for Albany County and Todd
Bishop with Kaiser wealth management for
[1:15:19] bonding of projects through 2026
purpose excise tax and direct the chair
[1:15:26] to sign.
>> Good morning once again madam chair
[1:15:30] commissioners. This is the agreement
with Todd Bishop. Um, this would cover
[1:15:33] us for any of his purposes for bonding,
whether we bond for the fairgrounds or
[1:15:37] the county building. Um, it covers us
for all the projects.
[1:15:41] » Oh, good.
>> This doesn't guarantee funds though.
[1:15:45] We're not entering into uh a city fun.
This is just agreeing to their
[1:15:49] percentages of the bond requirement.
>> Correct.
[1:15:53] » Okay. I move that we approve the
municipal advisory agreement between the
[1:15:56] board of county commissioners for Albony
County and Todd Bishop with Kaiser
[1:16:00] Wealth Management for bonding of
projects through 2026 specific purpose
[1:16:04] excise tax and direct the chair sign.
>> Second and then just comment
[1:16:10] » we have to put this out for bid. Um I
have nothing to say about Todd. I have
[1:16:15] nothing but good things. We've worked
with him before but is this large enough
[1:16:19] that we have to put this out for bid? I
think that's it. Depends
[1:16:24] [laughter]
>> how much money are we gonna
[1:16:29] » um I guess I'll defer to Jennifer.
>> Is there enough of a market in this
[1:16:35] industry to
>> I don't think so. Not with this type of
[1:16:42] experience either. Um I I honestly guess
I don't know that we
[1:16:49] know that. Well, it'd be more of a
consulting because don't they solicit
[1:16:53] the best price on behalf of the county
at that point?
[1:16:56] » So, I don't know how do we need to table
this?
[1:16:59] » They do. We also do pay commission. I
think I mean my advice would be that we
[1:17:05] could do this essentially under a soul
source given Kaiser helped us in the
[1:17:12] process when we were doing the bid work
with Rick out of the attorney out of
[1:17:18] Cheyenne and the history that he has
with the county bonding process. I think
[1:17:23] that is not something that can be
replicated
[1:17:26] for something of this magnitude that has
such a long-term impact on the county.
[1:17:34] » I just want to do the eyes and cross the
tees because I suspect this project will
[1:17:37] be
>> well viewed and well looked at. So
[1:17:42] » I hate using soul source.
>> I know and we do not do it very often.
[1:17:52] I I feel like they act as a fiduciary on
behalf of the county that
[1:17:56] » they essentially do.
[1:18:00] » I know he had been very instrumental in,
you know, calculating all those ballot
[1:18:05] amounts and everything already.
>> Yeah. Der, would you have the ability to
[1:18:10] give us a little more in two weeks when
the other stuff comes in?
[1:18:15] » Uh, you certainly can. I can certainly
write something of it similar to the
[1:18:19] memo that we do when we generally have
is for things to go up. I can do that
[1:18:22] for us if you'd like to table this.
>> I'll amend my motion to uh table
[1:18:27] » item 11 um until the 15th of this month.
>> Second agrees.
[1:18:33] » All in I
>> I motion carries.
[1:18:39] Thank you.
Item 12, present for approval, highway
[1:18:45] safety program FFY2027
subawward agreement between the Wyoming
[1:18:52] Department of Transportation Highway
Safety Program and the Albany County
[1:18:56] Sheriff's Office for Occupancy Safety
Visibility Enforcement in the amount of
[1:19:02] $2,97144.
[1:19:07] » Morning commissioners. This is the
essentially the yearly grant agreement
[1:19:12] that we've had uh with YOT uh highway
safety program for a grant for basically
[1:19:19] seat belt enforcement. It's what high
visibility occupancy is to the tune of
[1:19:24] just shy of $3,000.
[1:19:28] » And this pays for deputies for how many
hours?
[1:19:31] » Uh
>> it's just kind of a laughable amount.
[1:19:34] » So they have with the it is it's a very
low amount. Um, but they have specific
[1:19:39] times through the highway grant office
when you agree to this grant that you
[1:19:43] use it for. And so May mobilization is
one of the events that they call. So
[1:19:49] this uh essentially for two and a half
weeks around
[1:19:53] uh the Memorial Day holiday. Um and then
August crackdown is another one that we
[1:20:00] are required to use it for. um we spread
it out for uh throughout the year at all
[1:20:06] of kind of the high traffic times that
we have. So um like this weekend is an
[1:20:11] example of it um uh all through the
summer as well and then key holidays
[1:20:16] that we have also. So
>> and I'm assuming this and the next
[1:20:20] agenda item kind of go hand in hand or
>> they do the the prices are a little bit
[1:20:25] um or the awards are a little bit
different. Um the awards are uh kind of
[1:20:30] based more on
uh population and essentially uh
[1:20:38] uh initiation of work that we do. So the
citations that that we're able to
[1:20:44] uh to initiate the stops that we're able
to initiate. So because we don't have a
[1:20:49] primary seat belt law in the state of
Wyoming, that's why the occupant safety
[1:20:55] [clears throat] grant is is
>> so would you explain a primary
[1:21:00] the primary seat belt?
>> Right. Where uh we don't have a primary
[1:21:04] seat belt law and so we cannot pull over
solely for you not wearing your seat
[1:21:10] belt. So, we do traffic enforcement
[clears throat] and then if we um you
[1:21:15] know come across a traffic stop and find
out that an occupant isn't isn't being
[1:21:20] protected by wearing their seat on a
safety belt or a child restraint isn't
[1:21:25] properly uh uh applied within the car.
go ahead and issue
[1:21:29] » when you started into that then I go
okay now I get
[1:21:34] » madam chair move we approve the highway
safety program fiscal federal fiscal
[1:21:39] year 2027 subaw award agreement between
the department of transportation highway
[1:21:42] safety program and the county sheriff's
office for occupancy safety visibility
[1:21:46] enforcement in the amount of $297144
>> red second
[1:21:51] » very good um all those in favor I
>> I motion carries
[1:21:57] item 13. Present for approval highway
safety program FFY 2027 sub award
[1:22:05] agreement between the Wyoming Department
of Transportation Highway Safety Program
[1:22:09] and the Albany County Sheriff's Office
for Impaired Driving Visibility
[1:22:14] Enforcement in the amount of $18,64210.
[1:22:21] » This is along the same lines. It's just
for DUI enforcement. So it comes with uh
[1:22:26] uh different requirements but similar to
where there's certain times during the
[1:22:30] year that we're required to uh do high
visibility enforcement for DUIs. Um and
[1:22:36] then like I said we spread it out
throughout the year for uh known hightra
[1:22:40] areas um and other times of the year
where we know that there's a high
[1:22:46] possibility of of drinking
>> when we play CSU or something like that.
[1:22:50] » Yes, we will have a lot of people out
this weekend.
[1:22:54] uh as we do every Labor Day weekend and
opening weekend for Wic.
[1:23:01] » Madam Chairman, we approve the highway
safety program fiscal year 2027 sub
[1:23:06] award agreement between the Wyoming
Department of Transportation Highway
[1:23:09] Safety Program and Melvin County
Sheriff's Office for impaired driving
[1:23:12] high visibility enforcement in the
amount of $88,64210.
[1:23:16] » Second.
>> All those in favor?
[1:23:19] » I I
>> I motion carries.
[1:23:21] » Thank you, Commissioner. Item 14,
present for approval amendment two for
[1:23:26] the contract between the Wyoming
Department of Health Behavioral Health
[1:23:30] Division and Albany County Board of
Commissioners as
[1:23:35] governing body for the Albany County
Court Supervised Treatment Program in
[1:23:39] the amount of $740,700
[1:23:44] through September 30th, 2027 for state
opioid response funding.
[1:23:52] Good morning, commissioners. Uh the
department of health is just giving us a
[1:23:57] second amendment for Heather's state
opioid response grant. Uh there's a few
[1:24:01] minor changes um because the federal
government has made a few minor changes.
[1:24:07] Um but Heather has no problem with any
of them.
[1:24:12] » I'll move that we approve. I'm just
checking to see if you had any comment.
[1:24:15] Okay. Move the approved amendment to the
contract between Wyoming Department of
[1:24:18] Health Behavioral Health Division and
Alb County Board of Commissioners as
[1:24:22] governing body for the Alb County
supervised treatment program in the
[1:24:25] amount of $740,700
through September 30th, 2027 for state
[1:24:30] opioid response funding.
>> Second.
[1:24:33] » All those in favor?
>> I I motion carries. Thank you. Item 15,
[1:24:39] present for approval subreient
amendment between the county between the
[1:24:46] Albany County Commissioners and Climb
Wyoming Cathedral Home for Children's
[1:24:51] Community Programs, Larmy Interfaith and
Greater Wyoming Big Brothers Big Sisters
[1:24:57] for TANF CPI 2024 through 2027
grant funding ALN
[1:25:06] 93.5 558 for services provided between
the date of October 1st, 2024 and
[1:25:14] September 30th, 2027.
>> Haley,
[1:25:18] » the at the last meeting I had you guys
approve our a second amendment with the
[1:25:22] state. So this is just our second
amendment with all of our subreients
[1:25:25] that we've discussed those amounts a few
months ago. So [clears throat]
[1:25:30] » any questions?
Madam Chair, I move that we approve this
[1:25:33] other recipient amendment between the
Albany County Commissioners and Fly
[1:25:37] Wyoming Cathedral Home Children
Community Programs, Larry Interfaith and
[1:25:40] Greater Wyoming Big Brothers Big Sisters
attempt CPI 2024 through 2027 grant
[1:25:45] funding for services provided between
the date of October 1st, 2024 and
[1:25:50] September 30th, 2027.
>> Second.
[1:25:53] » All those in favor?
>> I
[1:25:55] » I motion carries. Item 16, present for
approval grant application to the
[1:26:00] Wyoming Office of Homeland Security 2026
SHSP funding to support the purchase of
[1:26:10] a search and rescue boat.
>> Morning.
[1:26:13] » Good morning.
>> Yes. Uh this is an application to uh
[1:26:18] Office of Homeland Security for their
SHSP funding that was released for the
[1:26:24] purchase of a new search and risk vote.
Um it's one of three items that you guys
[1:26:30] have coming up in terms of the
application in there.
[1:26:34] Um, and we've ranked this one third, but
Alb County Sheriff's Office dive team is
[1:26:42] basically the only dive team in
southeast Wyoming. And the current boat
[1:26:48] that we have is not [clears throat] in
the greatest shape whatsoever. And so uh
[1:26:54] attached you'll see the quote along with
the application for a brand new boat
[1:26:58] engine and trailer um with a small
reduction for a trade in of our existing
[1:27:04] boat and trailer in there as well.
>> Is this the same boat you were trying to
[1:27:08] shoot for last year?
>> Yes. So we applied a few few months ago.
[1:27:13] » Uh yeah, SHSP had what they call
leftover funding.
[1:27:18] » We we applied then we were awarded
radios but not
[1:27:21] » great. So now that there's a full award
and a set of leftover, there's a a
[1:27:27] better chance of not getting the boat.
>> So is the boat stored inside?
[1:27:32] » It is. Yes. It's stored in our search
and rescue facility.
[1:27:37] » Madam Chair, I move we approve the grant
application of Wyoming Office Homeland
[1:27:41] Security 2026
SHSP funding to support the purchase of
[1:27:45] a search and rescue boat. Second.
>> All those in favor? I I motion carries.
[1:27:53] Item 17, present for approval grant
application to the Wyoming Office of
[1:27:57] Homeland Security for the 2026 SHSP
funding to support the purchase of
[1:28:04] mobile and portable radios. Kate, good
morning.
[1:28:08] » Good morning, commissioners. So, this is
just our grant application um to support
[1:28:13] our three-year radio replacement plan.
And this year we uh collaborated with
[1:28:18] both city and county um departments and
agencies. We don't know exactly how much
[1:28:23] we're going to ask for on the first year
yet because all of our um requests came
[1:28:27] in at 2.8 million which is way higher
than we can divide over three years. So
[1:28:32] we're going to whittle that down and get
you a total.
[1:28:38] Just just so you guys know, this grant,
the most I've ever been able to receive
[1:28:42] one time was for the detention center
generator and that was $125,000.
[1:28:47] » Oh, we have to whittle it way down.
>> We did ask the state for some direction
[1:28:51] on what would be a reasonable request
and they couldn't give us any. So, we're
[1:28:55] continue to work on this.
>> Let's let's just shoot arrows in the
[1:28:59] dark then.
>> Yes, I think that total is all the money
[1:29:03] they have for the whole state, including
state homelands. So,
[1:29:08] They'll aim high, you know. [laughter]
>> Shoot for the moon. We'll get half of
[1:29:13] it.
>> I move [snorts] to be approved the grant
[1:29:17] application to allow me Office Homeland
Security for the 2026 SHSP funding to
[1:29:22] support the purchase of mobile and
portable radio.
[1:29:24] » Second.
>> All those in favor?
[1:29:26] » I
>> I motion carries. Thank you.
[1:29:30] Moving a repeater would be cheaper than
replacing radio [laughter]
[1:29:35] » by like $300,000.
>> Item 18, present for approval grant
[1:29:40] application to the Wyoming Office of
Homeland Security for the 2026 SHSP
[1:29:47] funding to support the purchase of two
purchase of generators for WCO Wola and
[1:29:54] Sab. Um so this is a grant application
for uh emergency backup generators for
[1:30:01] WCO uh fire station and Sabil fire
station. Um there are the two stations
[1:30:07] left that don't have backup generators.
So um this would support uh continued uh
[1:30:15] fire management and response and also
would provide shelters for those areas
[1:30:19] where we don't have any other county
facilities.
[1:30:23] We're talking the spiel's
station that's in Black County.
[1:30:26] » That is correct. Okay.
>> But is our station?
[1:30:31] » I don't know. I just It's interesting.
>> I I I know. I was That's exactly how
[1:30:36] Chad explained it, too. It's
>> It's interesting. It is. Yes.
[1:30:41] » But it is our station.
>> Making sure that Okay.
[1:30:45] Well, I move that we approve the grant
application to the Wyoming Office of
[1:30:48] Homeland Security for the 2026 SHSP
owning support purse of generators for
[1:30:54] WCO and Seabil. Second.
>> All those in favor?
[1:30:57] » I I
>> I carries. Thank you.
[1:31:02] » Item 19, present for approval fiscal
year 26 1% community partner funding
[1:31:08] agreements between Albany County and
community partners.
[1:31:16] Okay, Bailey.
>> Uh, these is I sent out an email last
[1:31:19] week to the few that were missing.
Here's majority of them. I'm hoping to
[1:31:22] have the last three on your agenda the
next time and that'll take care of all
[1:31:26] them for this year.
>> Madam Chair, I move that we approve the
[1:31:30] school year 26 1% community partner
funding agreements between the Albony
[1:31:33] County and community partners. I mean
art guards coalition relative theatrics
[1:31:37] peace of mind safe project skate by me
and developmental preschool. Second.
[1:31:42] » All those in favor? I
>> I
[1:31:44] » I motion carries.
>> Item 19A.
[1:31:50] » I can read it for you.
>> Would you please
[1:31:52] » present for approval installation of
gutters and downspouts the fairgrounds
[1:31:56] activities building pursuant to quote
from windfall roofing and exteriors and
[1:32:00] and as approved by insurance in the
amount of $5,376.
[1:32:05] » So this as you just read is the quote
for that. Windfall is the same company
[1:32:10] that did our roof. So we won't have any
issues in going with them with regard to
[1:32:18] with the warranties that were with the
original roof. And this has been
[1:32:22] submitted to and approved by insurance.
Madam Chair, move we approve the
[1:32:27] installation of gutters and downsides at
the fairgrounds activity building
[1:32:30] pursuant to the quote of windfall
roofing and exteriors and as approved by
[1:32:33] insurance in the amount of $5,376.
>> Second.
[1:32:39] » All those in favor? I I
>> I motion carries. Item 19B, present for
[1:32:45] approval removal and replacement of
damaged and broken ceiling tiles at the
[1:32:50] fairgrounds activity building pursuant
to quote from Southeastern Wyoming
[1:32:55] installation and approved by insurance
in the amount of $4,991.
[1:33:02] Again, this is the interior ceiling
tiles from the water damage from when we
[1:33:08] had the issues with the roof
fairgrounds. And this has also been
[1:33:12] approved by insurance.
Madam
[1:33:14] » chair, I move that we approve the
removal and replacement of damaged
[1:33:17] broken ceiling files at the fairgrounds
activity building pursuant to quote from
[1:33:21] Southeast Wyoming insulation and as
approved by insurance in the amount of
[1:33:25] $4,991.
Second.
[1:33:28] » All those in favor?
>> I I
[1:33:30] » I motion carries. Item 20, reappoint
Aaron Odori, Fletcher, and Cat Gabriel
[1:33:37] to the community services block grant
tri.
[1:33:45] [laughter]
>> Thank you. My tongue was twisted. I
[1:33:48] could board for the elected officials
sector for threeyear term and effective
[1:33:55] immediately.
Hello.
[1:33:58] » I know I have a difficult time with that
word as well. Um this is just exactly as
[1:34:04] it says. It's um Pat Gabriel is
representing um as a former
[1:34:08] commissioner. He's representing the
commissioners on this board as an
[1:34:11] elected official as you appointed him
prior. Um and then Aaron of course is
[1:34:16] serves on city council and I am the
county treasurer.
[1:34:21] » You are. [laughter]
So, I'd like to thank you all of you for
[1:34:25] doing this, being willing to do it
again. I'd like to reappoint Aaron
[1:34:29] Hordi,
>> uh, excuse me, I move to reappoint Aaron
[1:34:32] Authority, Tracy Fletcher, and Pat
Gabriel to the community service block
[1:34:35] grant part for the elected officials
sector for three-year term effective
[1:34:39] immediately. Just second.
>> All those in favor?
[1:34:42] » I I
>> I motion carries. I was trying to put
[1:34:46] another A in there and I knew that
wasn't right. I just couldn't get a
[1:34:50] mouthful. Item uh 21, discuss the
Sallyport and south entrance of the
[1:34:55] courthouse. Kayla,
>> good morning.
[1:34:58] » Good morning, commissioners. Um
since
[1:35:03] some time ago when we uh took access
away from the front entrance of the
[1:35:09] courthouse in the Sallyport, um I watch
on a daily basis people wander around
[1:35:15] the building trying to figure out how to
get into the building. Um, and so, uh,
[1:35:20] it has been, we've talked about it
during, I think, department head
[1:35:25] meetings, um, and I spoke to the sheriff
yesterday, um, a little bit about this
[1:35:30] and my concerns with the public and the
fact that it makes it really difficult
[1:35:35] for people that put in our address,
which is 525 Grand Avenue, takes them to
[1:35:40] the front of the building. They walk to
the front of the building, they cannot
[1:35:43] get in. There are no signs telling them
where to get in. So, they wander around,
[1:35:48] try to get in this entrance over here,
which is a not a public entrance, and
[1:35:52] then, of course, they find their way
around the building. So, I just thought
[1:35:56] that maybe we could have a discussion
about possibly opening back up. I know
[1:36:02] the one door on the front has the badge
access. Even just opening the one door,
[1:36:06] I don't think all three doors need to be
open. Um, but it's kind of a moot point
[1:36:10] anyway when people can let people in. I
mean, I don't I know why we went forward
[1:36:16] with putting the one point of access
when we were going to have the body
[1:36:20] scanners or whatever that was we were
going to do, but that has not happened.
[1:36:24] And so, I feel like it is a disservice
to the public um not allow them to come
[1:36:30] in the front doors. So, um that's my two
cents on it. It is totally my opinion.
[1:36:36] Um, but we do hear it from our customers
of their frustration when they do come
[1:36:40] in that they, you know, are having a
hard time figuring out how to get into
[1:36:45] the building. So, even though Anthony
did put up a sign in the elevator
[1:36:51] to help
access that challenge
[1:36:57] there, I talked to a person this
morning. They were confused. They
[1:37:00] couldn't figure it out. And I think that
we would save a tremendous amount of
[1:37:05] frustration with the public by having
these doors open.
[1:37:11] » Um, I don't know what that entails. Of
course, I'm not security for the
[1:37:16] building, but I imagine that probably
has a discussion with the sheriff, but I
[1:37:20] just wanted to bring it forward as a
discussion item. Um, and my concerns
[1:37:24] that I have for the public.
I'll second everything Kayla said and
[1:37:31] with the office that probably has the
majority of the day-to-day regular foot
[1:37:35] traffic into this building. Um we hear
complaints consistently of and and it if
[1:37:42] it's raining out those complaints are a
little more
[1:37:45] » in the middle of winter
>> warm to say the least. But um given that
[1:37:51] there is no
requirement, you know, for anybody to go
[1:37:55] through a body scanner or any kind of
those security measures on either door,
[1:37:59] I mean, and people continually do hold
the door open. For others, sometimes in
[1:38:05] the summer months when that um heat, the
sun expands the metal door frame, it it
[1:38:10] gets stuck open,
>> which
[1:38:13] » Oh, yeah.
>> You know, then anybody can still get in.
[1:38:16] Um, but I think it it would be a greater
convenience for, you know, our
[1:38:20] constituents and taxpayers of the county
to be able to access that door. And like
[1:38:24] Kayla said, the middle doors would be
sufficient.
[1:38:28] » I don't I don't know what that entails.
I guess that would maybe be a question
[1:38:31] for it or the sheriff, but I just wanted
to bring it forward as a discussion
[1:38:35] item.
>> Yes. So, [snorts] it seems like I went
[1:38:37] on a security tour with Homeland
Security and the sheriff some time ago,
[1:38:41] and it was the court security that was
forcing us. So we were making this
[1:38:45] decision
court security was forcing us to do the
[1:38:48] single point entry. I'm not sure the
sheriff will be able to approve that. Uh
[1:38:53] it but then the legislature came back
and said nothing or made that un
[1:38:58] workable. I don't believe that court
security memorandum has gone away. Um so
[1:39:03] we are kind of in this world where we
have two conflicting ideas. Um and
[1:39:08] sheriff would you speak to that?
>> Yes. Yes. We went to the single point of
[1:39:13] entry uh based on the recom uh
recommendations from uh the court
[1:39:18] security commission from the supreme
court and from CISA that came uh I think
[1:39:23] it's been a while now three almost four
years that came and did the security
[1:39:28] assessment when we got the slip grant
for the addition to the north entrance
[1:39:33] as well. Uh in addition to that grant um
for the addition was the installation of
[1:39:39] security cameras and other security
procedures or security equipment uh for
[1:39:46] screening uh into the courthouse. And so
the cameras that were installed in there
[1:39:52] are all geared towards a single point
entry uh on that north side. Um
[1:40:01] like I said, those safety measures that
have been taken for that single point of
[1:40:06] entry um also within consideration of
the ADA access that they have now u on
[1:40:11] that north entrance is there um has been
in place and it's it's worked really
[1:40:17] really well. We do know that it's a it's
a minor inconvenience for the public
[1:40:23] sometimes to have to walk around the
building to that single point of entry,
[1:40:28] but for security purposes for the courts
and everything else, it makes the most
[1:40:33] sense. Moving forward, this building is
going to change a little bit as well
[1:40:40] where that second floor will be
transitioning to a new building uh in
[1:40:46] there. And even with the changes in the
laws that doesn't allow us to do full
[1:40:50] security screening right now since we
have public access there once the second
[1:40:54] floor essentially moves out into the new
building. This will be solely a
[1:41:00] courthouse which we will be able to move
forward with the security screenings
[1:41:04] that we had in the original plan. And so
the sheriff's office, the sheriff
[1:41:08] doesn't feel that a change is is
necessary or really in the uh entrance
[1:41:15] uh interest of the courthouse
moving forward.
[1:41:20] » So um I was on that tour also.
>> Mhm.
[1:41:24] » And um
they wanted no garbage cans.
[1:41:29] » Y
>> we have garbage cans. They also wanted
[1:41:32] all of our bushes cut down. Yep.
>> We still have all of our bushes.
[1:41:36] » Yep.
>> We trimmed your bushes in the trees.
[1:41:40] That was the compromise that we made for
the line of sight. So, and for most
[1:41:45] part, those trash cans have been
essentially
[1:41:50] uh changed instead of
>> Well, there's no flip blades on.
[1:41:54] » Yeah, that's right there. So that we can
>> But we're not in compliance. better
[1:41:58] account for
those explosive devices that we that we
[1:42:03] worry about. So,
so yes, like I said, we have done a lot
[1:42:09] in terms of the recommendations by that
by that there as well. So, but uh like I
[1:42:15] said, it it gets to be difficult to
continue to secure the building if we
[1:42:20] let everybody in
all of the entrances that we have all
[1:42:25] the time.
So,
[1:42:29] » didn't we talk to Anthony about this and
and
[1:42:34] » I have.
>> Yeah. But he's in favor of our the way
[1:42:38] it is right now. So,
>> we talked to him this morning.
[1:42:43] » Would finding signs be
>> I've recommended that we put signs up um
[1:42:49] for a long time and they have not been
entertained. Um I guess I have a hard
[1:42:55] time
I understand a single point of entry,
[1:42:59] but people can leave and let people in
from any of those entrances. During the
[1:43:04] commissioners meeting, we perched the
door open for people to come in to this
[1:43:09] door.
>> Probably should,
[1:43:11] » but I mean, because it's accessible to
the public because this is where the
[1:43:14] board meets. Um, I guess I'm just It
feels a little much like a moot point.
[1:43:20] » The north door is also easily accessible
as well.
[1:43:24] » Correct.
>> It is. It's not direct. They like
[1:43:26] direct. They know how to use this.
>> Especially because we don't have
[1:43:29] commissioner meetings at nights anymore.
>> All those commissioner meetings are
[1:43:33] during regular business hours. Access is
is still available.
[1:43:40] » I I am the only one I I only have my
opinion and you know what that is and
[1:43:45] the board and the sheriff will do what
they choose with the building. and I
[1:43:48] just felt like it needed to be brought
forward because um we get complaints
[1:43:52] from the public and we're the ones that
hear it.
[1:43:55] » So,
>> this board opens up these doors. It'll
[1:43:58] make my life easy because at home I hear
why aren't those south doors open
[1:44:02] because I can walk
>> attorneys walk across the street.
[1:44:06] » A few more steps won't hurt you, Kevin.
Um, so, um, like I said, we acknowledge
[1:44:11] that it's an inconvenience, but it's an
inconvenience and safety. So,
[1:44:18] the fact that we've had very, very
little incidents [clears throat] here at
[1:44:21] the core house shows that those security
measures that we've installed have been
[1:44:26] working
>> well, only if there was a potential
[1:44:28] problem.
>> I don't think that there were many
[1:44:30] incidences prior to the doors. No, I
don't either. But that's
[1:44:35] » But we did have some issues with those
doors being locked, those doors coming
[1:44:38] open. I remember those
>> when all three of them were open. Yes.
[1:44:41] » Yeah. And so, uh,
>> and Anthony has done a lot of work on
[1:44:44] those front doors in order for them not
to do that.
[1:44:47] » Agreed. Because they would, they would
get stuck open and the wind would get
[1:44:51] it. But I think with only opening one
door rather than all three because only
[1:44:55] one has the key lock on it. that you
said and you're the only one opinion
[1:45:01] here.
[1:45:06] » That's a discussion item. So I guess we
discussed
[1:45:10] » I don't see any So let me ask you this.
Who can see the cameras in the
[1:45:12] courthouse right now?
>> So
[1:45:14] » can anybody in this building actually
view the cameras in like department
[1:45:17] offices?
>> No, we're able to. The judges are able
[1:45:20] to. uh the detention center is able to
as well as
[1:45:26] » because their doors can automatic the
assessors, the treasurers and the
[1:45:29] clerk's office can be closed with a
visual button. [clears throat]
[1:45:32] » Um and I've done this for several
district court offices.
[1:45:35] » So, and your door is always locked. The
attorney's door is always locked. So, if
[1:45:41] the judges have a security issue,
anything above the second floor
[1:45:45] » becomes a courtroom security problem.
>> Judges doors are always locked as well.
[1:45:49] zoom and like I said the cameras
installed are um there in the forier to
[1:45:53] look at that front entrance and then we
have one on the second floor or two in
[1:45:57] the second floor to be able to look at
the front entrances of the clerk
[1:46:01] assessor and the treasurer as well.
>> Well, and and people's ability to carry
[1:46:05] a firearm in here now has changed since
that assessment.
[1:46:07] » Yes, it has.
>> Have you had any issues with people
[1:46:10] carrying the gun in here?
>> Inappropriately.
[1:46:13] » Inappropriately. No.
>> Okay.
[1:46:15] » No. No. There's a few folks that um not
firearms but knives obviously trying to
[1:46:23] get in the courtroom and they usually
forget that they have their pocket knife
[1:46:26] on them. So we have to ask them to
>> they're too explained
[1:46:29] » to remove it. Not some
but
[1:46:33] » but no we we really haven't had uh
really haven't had any issues with
[1:46:37] people concealed carrying or open
carrying um there there in the
[1:46:42] courthouse. So but we also get to um see
and address those issues um fairly
[1:46:48] easily because like I said there is a
single point to be trained. So um the
[1:46:52] core security officer that we have is is
able to see and recognize
[1:46:58] » and if he's stationed or static on the
second third or fourth floor
[1:47:03] » third floor
>> you count that as Yeah.
[1:47:05] » Yeah. Third floor has
>> basement. Okay.
[1:47:08] » Yep. when the third floor is there, like
I said, we get to he gets to see we have
[1:47:12] a monitor that has a camera on. So,
[1:47:17] » I don't see any reason why the south
doors need to be locked, but nor this
[1:47:22] one
>> and I never have. So,
[1:47:28] » I do I I don't know why I don't think
we're been relieved of that security or
[1:47:34] that homeland security advice. how
>> the practices that we have are the same
[1:47:39] standard procedure that you have at just
about every other courthouse uh in the
[1:47:44] state. This is a single point of entry.
>> I'd like to see a copy of that
[1:47:48] assessment. Um I have a conference with
SISA tomorrow, so I'll
[1:47:54] » see [clears throat] how that's going.
They're barely operating right now.
[1:47:56] » Yeah.
>> Under the CR. So, yeah.
[1:47:58] » Right. Um but you should be able to see
it through rules and regulations for
[1:48:03] court security through the um court
security commission through the Supreme
[1:48:06] Court.
>> Okay. Oh, I think Mr. Wash is on that.
[1:48:12] So
[snorts]
[1:48:16] » we'll just bring this up another time.
>> All right. [laughter] Again,
[1:48:20] » yes, [clears throat]
>> we won't we won't table it. So we can
[1:48:23] bring it up whenever we want.
[1:48:32] Item 22, approve vouchers for August
2026.
[1:48:36] » Madam Chair, I move we approve vouchers
for August 46. Second.
[1:48:40] » All those in favor?
>> I I
[1:48:42] » I motion carried. Seeing no further
business before the board of county
[1:48:46] commissioners.
Um may I have a motion to adjourn?
[1:48:50] » So moved. Second.
>> All those in favor? I I
[1:48:55] » Thank you.
We are journed.