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Okay, the meeting is called to order. Uh
let's start with roll call.

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resulting in deaths um much higher still
than we would like. Uh and we're using a

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lot of Narcan and that's really what's
saving people's lives that there's still

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plenty of fentanyl and other drugs
around. How were uh people being savings

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really significantly impacted by the
amount of Narcan out there? Now, that

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might change a little bit 2026. We've
lost a lot of federal funding and so

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Narcan free Narcan is a little hard to
find with our community groups. Um we'll

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just purchase it for our needs, but uh
the abundance in the in the community is

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not going to be as readily available.
So, we'll see and track that. We we

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still continue to do it [clears throat]
on the back page. Mark,

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» go ahead.
>> Thank you.

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» All right. On on 2023, why were there so
many there and so many less last year?

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So, uh for overdose deaths.
>> Mhm.

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» So, that's that was the peak. That's
when we were a statewide uh things

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really further out of control. There was
not a lot of there was Narcan coming in

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but not at the level we saw a huge drop
in 2024 and 25 because of the abundancy

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of community based narcan access. Uh and
so that's when everybody's like hey

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we've got to do something. 2023 is when
we entered a program called um uh leave

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behind the leave behind program. will go
to a high-risisk location where we might

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be on a overdose call or contact people
that are clearly um using probably

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fentanyl. We don't see heroin hardly at
all, but fentanyl we will leave Narcan

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behind um and just an attempt to try to
slow down death rates.

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» You just being with people?
>> Yeah. Yep. Um and so that was a

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community based program uh over three
grants that we participated in. So

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that's why you saw that drop off and
that was [clears throat] across the

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board. Uh law enforcement across the
state saw the same thing. Um harm

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reduction people saw the same thing,
public health saw the same thing. So we

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meet um on a monthly basis. Lincoln, uh,
Benton and Lynn counties,

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uh, deflection programs, um, health
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we all need to talk about what we're
seeing and kind of what what the trends

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are to try to get ahead of things, stuff
like that. So, um, again, it's good that

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it's dropping, but I will tell you that
there's still an abundancy of drugs out

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there. So, where's another question?
>> Yeah. So, Chief, uh, you mentioned that

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the calls for service are up. Uh you
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arrests are also up but I see that
person crimes and property crimes are

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both down compared to last year and that
put me in mind of a of an article I read

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uh just like maybe last week in the
Atlantic that a lot of police

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departments are showing crime drops over
the last few years

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» but nobody has a really good explanation
for what the cause is there why that's

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happening. It [clears throat] doesn't
seem to trend to you know officers per

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capita or stuff like that. So I guess I
had two questions about that. one, do

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you have a good causal explanation that
you want to and I'm not I don't want to

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like debate or make a part of it. I just
want to hear what you think. And two, I

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guess do we compare these numbers to you
just mentioned statewide where you know

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regional and statewide. Do we compare
these kinds of numbers on a regional,

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statewide or national basis?
>> Well, you're right. And I've seen the

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same thing. I think New York Times also
ran an article about um big city crime

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being way down.
uh just saw a significant drop, but

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Portland surprisingly did not see as a
big drop in murder rate.

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» So, uh there's no magic history to that.
>> Sure.

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» Um there, you know, crime crime stats
tend to be cyclical. Um and so I think

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we're seeing that we when big cities
were seeing murder rates go through the

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roof, we're about a year behind that. In
2023, we had seven homicides in the

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city, which is unheard of. And so, um,
now, uh, we're barely getting into, we

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have the one involving a 2-year-old.
We're still waiting for the state

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medical examiner to actually cause or
give that cause of death, but it was

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fairly certain it's an abuse case. So,
um, I I don't have an issue, Eric, for,

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» you know, I'm always happy when it goes
down, but the one thing that, uh, we do

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with data driven stuff, we can really
within a day or two see trends start to

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form.
Uh, and that allows us to adjust

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accordingly and adjust resources
accordingly. Uh, so I I wish I had the

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answer. I'd be really rich if I had the
answer.

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» And another like Jim framework stock
market mentality, right? You have a

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reason for everything that happens and
you're wrong. 90% puts on the time. But

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anyway, thank you. I appreciate that.
>> Thanks. Go ahead. Go ahead.

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» Oh, I was just uh back to um the Narcan.
Are there um other than the Lee Button

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programs uh or program, is there any
other way that the police department or

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or public safety in general is
distributing our camp? Like can people

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ask for it or end up being is is there
any other distribution other than its

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use by by officers and then leaving it?
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on the shelf life is still good. I mean
uh so a lot of times we won't carry it

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because that's not you know we want to
carry the most up to date and most

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effective version of it but a lot of
times we will hand them out to um like

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the folks at chance they go out and do
camp contacts uh and so we we don't

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throw them away. We make sure they're
redistributed. Um also with the schools

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if we know they're don't have some then
we'll make sure they have now now gaps

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actually purchase or kids their own
supply and so each of the um middle and

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high schools have multiple can available
uh just in case there's somebody that's

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there. So, but we don't officially taken
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» Are there do you know if there's
anywhere um someone

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wanting to make sure that they have
their own own stock be able to carry it

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that people can can get it? Uh
>> Chance is a good source. Um and the

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health department

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they'll make it available. Um I think
you can also go into uh your public

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hospitals as well. Schools have it I
think often.

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» Distribute. They have it.
>> Yeah, they have it. Yeah. Just in case

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the the nasal system.
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something.

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Yeah. They um they actually came to the
driving board that I'm on and um asked

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us to be kind of go between because they
want to purchase more that they have it.

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» for for the last uh up until this year,
you you could there's multiple places to

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get it. The problem that we're having is
that federal funding

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» or no longer available. So um
yeah, is that because

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» yeah, no, I'm not going to go there.
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» So that's probably what you're saying.
>> But questions on calls for service.

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» Yeah. Does it include um stuff is done
online and phone work?

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» Yeah. Anything that creates a cab call
where um a dispatcher either they can

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take the report of the phone or an offer
dispatch. This does not include uh

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abandoned 911 calls, 91 hanging up calls
or will be.

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» So if we want to see, you know, really
where calls are, is it possible to have

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a breakdown of what we're seeing in the,
you know, calls that doesn't require

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response and those calls that do require
response? That's defin because one of

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the things I think is really important
and especially when we're talking you

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know about
um priority one things that would

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require a code three response you know
are we seeing delays on those

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and things and be interesting what
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know by phone report or computer report
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and then probably classifications and
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[clears throat]
you know when we put out the number one

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addresses the station always comes and
goes in number one because everything's

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well we if we don't know where the
address is that's where it's defaulted

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to but that certainly can break that
down and bring it back

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» be and then like and especially I'm
thinking like priority one priority two

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clause you know
>> what's it take you know you see what

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» that
look at then you know we need more csos

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we need more officers first, you know,
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» yeah, there uh it's not Well, it doesn't
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the entire team.
>> Yeah, it's much like fire. But uh and

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then in my um there's only been twice
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actually had the call for assistance to
cover calls. One of which was when we

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had a suicide of a county deputy in 200
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folks. And then on January 6th of this
year, we had an officer involved

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shooting and with 90 minutes later we
had a suicide in the front parking lot

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of the police department and we had to
ask for help. We didn't have any more

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resources. So Lynn County actually came
took the suicide. Benton County took the

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uh the shooting which required by state
law. Uh and then that the shooting took

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out six of eight officers. They were
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not longer. So yeah, it doesn't need
much to wipe it out. So So that's about

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225 calls a day.

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» Y
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that our folks eat their lunch on the
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» Yeah. Okay. Uh the benefit the we just
are going to renew a lease with the

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coastal farm for the substation out
there for another 5 years because that

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has had an impact where if you ever been
out there seen police cars parked kind

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of back towards the office part that's
where that station is and it's been a

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huge help to other folks. Yeah. When
we're going out to walked one day and

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it's like okay there's a door there just
the cops and it took me a while to

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figure
Yeah, that right is right to the right

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of the door because that's where their
little spa is. Great. Great.

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» Any questions before?
>> All right. Um, [clears throat] every

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single year since I've been here, we
have double digit hiring. Um, I suspect

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that probably will be the same in 2026,
but not worries. Hopefully, it won't be.

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So, we hired 11 people in 2025.
Uh that's a lot because for every 11 or

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every one person we actually hire, we
probably touch 10 applicants. So it's a

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a huge load for us. And the pending
hire, sorry about the typo. I'm not sure

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what happened there, but we do have a
pending hire of a police officer. Uh and

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uh we we do have more vacancies after
that, but we're I'll explain that in a

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second. And then we do have a candidate
in background for a cso position, but

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Darla Darla Luther has been with the
city for a long time. retired. Um, so we

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have some folks there. We
[clears throat] also in December, I'm

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sorry, not December, this month, um, the
new behavioral health, mental health,

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uh, person started and she came, her
name is Heidi Davis. Uh, she came to us

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from, uh, adult protective services.
She's been long into the service side of

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things. She very well known in the, uh,
the service and law enforcement circles.

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So she's a good addition and show you
drink keeping the fire hose a little bit

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with policies and figuring out things.
But so we do have one cso. Um and then

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the five police officer positions really
are um uh two of them are brand new

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positions that got in the budget uh
banial budget and then uh three more

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people have advised that they will be
retiring and working back. So, uh, the

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first one is Steve Carter is announced.
He retired officially on February 1st.

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He's been working back till
for a while. Um, February 1 of next year

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and then both Jerry Drum and Mike Wood
are retiring June 30th, working back

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until June 30th. Uh, the city um has
extended healthc care and work for the

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work employees and so but that creates
uh a limitation. So in the past

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depending on the department employees be
worked well beyond that one year in a

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work back and what a work back means is
you retire in the state system. So you

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start drawing a paycheck and you're
still working and they will pay back out

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of that. It's pretty nice but a lot of
times the big issue is healthcare and so

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city put that in place just limits the
length in which somebody can stay at the

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city. All right any questions on hiring?
>> No but I did have a question. Um when

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you mentioned the health officer, is
that someone that can come and speak to

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us sometime?
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» All right. [clears throat] The next
thing and I I apologize for the small um

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but I wanted this is going to go um this
going to be publicly available on our

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website probably within the next month
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A week does not go by where I don't get
actions probably from Hasso. Hi, I know

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you listen um about enforcement
>> and so we created a dashboard which is

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what you see an image of where on a
daily basis I can go and say where are

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we at on on uh tickets uh and this will
be publicly facing so somebody can go

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and change the search primary dates and
what it is is um the first graph you see

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there is uh speed versus red light
number of tickets like speed and

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Um the second um to the right of that is
is the breakdown of tickets per

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location.
So you you'll see North Albony Road and

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the different approaches there. You'll
see uh Queen and Elm uh Gary Santam uh

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Queen Gary etc etc with the total
tickets last year being 6,482 tickets

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which is much higher than we expected.
I see that these are only these are only

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the violations for when people were over
65 miles per hour.

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» No. Okay. So it uh it's the way the cat
or system works.

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» Okay.
>> So it's everything between 11 miles an

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hour over 65. And if you get over 65 mph
over the speed limit, that's a whole

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other problem.
>> Right. Right.

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» So that's just that that um statutory
range. We don't ticket anybody a photo

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enforcement officer going 11 miles an
hour or over. So that's what it means.

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And I have I have explained that all the
time. Um and uh and then the lower left

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is the um average speed and the uh the
highest speed at ticketed. Uh so you see

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some pretty decent speeds there at 79 75
and 60 liter.

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Intent trying to people slow down. And
then over the year 2025, we have 444

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people who get more than one ticket.
That number is dropping. So one of the

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other things that I produced for the
city's annual report was all the camera

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locations were online starting in
September of 2025. We don't have a full

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year's worth of data yet, but what we
saw is that and and I saw this when I

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was at Belleview as well. You start out
way up here and as the learning and

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education piece with the public, you'll
start to see this downward trend and

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we've already seen that in change in
behavior, but the traffic volumes have

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remained steady. That's something you
have to look at. So, um we do expect

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that probably within two years
everything will plateau out.

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» But this is one quarter's worth of
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» That's one year.
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» That's 2025,
>> right? But you said September. Oh, so

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they you they were added different sites
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» correct? Yeah. Uh the total number will
be much higher in 26 because all

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location
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anywhere from 9,500 to 15,000 tickets
which has resulted in me having to hire

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somebody part time to to
>> Sure.

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» And if you want some entertainment next
Tuesday, I have to four tickets I I

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issued. So,
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yeah,
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I was the issuing person on it and so I
get to report.

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» Well, as somebody whose kids walk to
school through Queen and Hell, I

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wholeheartedly support this kind of
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» only Yeah, we've heard really good
feedback from the people live on Queen.

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» Happy that. Um, and then same thing with
the the folks who live on sand because

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it's uh uh you kind of got a curve there
and so they a lot of times you can't

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pull out a driveway or they step on it.
So we have people complaining that the

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speed limit there should be 35. Uh but
it's you're in the neighborhood. So

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» exactly
the the north neighbor that's by the

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north school.
>> Yeah. So that's still very

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» that's wild. It's it uh and we we will
be putting uh flashing beacons in which

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will narrow the enforcement window, but
we still have plenty of people going

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through a wall over 40. Those flashing I
think I see them all the time and they I

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mean they they work. I really like them
because soon as you see that flashing

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light, you know, even though you don't
know if they were already gone or not,

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but it's
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heard this at all meetings, council
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ones where you know there's the mention
across the street, you're not accustomed

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to seeing that light. If you live in
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travel and you get used to those amber
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them. So that's what we're trying to
convey that they're going to have a

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limited
>> Yeah. So with regard to that sort of

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thing, gee, this is clearly the cameras
and the tickets are a PD function, but

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this seems like it butts right up
against some of the transportation

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commission stuff too, right? And I
wonder if it would be interesting. I

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don't know a lot about how the
transportation commission works or what

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they do. But I wonder might be
interesting to have a joint meeting

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sometime or to to have a speaker come in
and talk to us about that because I

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think, you know, I looked at like trying
to get a four-way stop added at one of

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the spots that my kiddos were walking.
Mhm.

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» I looked up the rules on getting this
traffic sign control sign changed and I

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was like, damn, this is a rabbit hole. I
do not need to go down.

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» Yeah. In in this lifetime. Yeah.
>> But

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» I served on the traffic safety
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» So you maybe you're the expert that we
need, but I think about like, hey, the

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cops are going to write the ticket, so I
need to talk to the law to the, you

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know, to APD about this. But that's not
really how you get a sign there or how

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you track the use of that.
>> We we get regular invites there. In

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fact, they have a discussion about photo
enforcement. The city does expect that

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there will be some leftover revenue.
It's not a gold line by any means

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because it's getting sucked up by dirt
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» Sure.
>> Um but one of the things that the

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council
um one of the reasons they bought into

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it is all the revenue that is left over
will go back to public travel safety

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improvements. Yeah. Won't fix our roads.
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hey, if we have a a we we have a
crosswalk at the location, but it's

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pretty dark.
>> Put in a solar power crossing on the

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flashing.
>> That's the behind how we spend that.

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» Yeah.
>> Uh you mentioned that so the the

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flashing lights are are going to go in
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previous conversation around that was
that uh who is responsible for paying

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for that is is really tricky. And I I
thought that there wasn't going to be uh

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lights put in because it was actually
something that the school district was

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like the school was supposed to pay for,
but then it was a the city couldn't do

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it. Like I I thought there was
conversation. So I'm just curious as to

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where the like is the city putting that.
>> Yeah, it it is it is a city project and

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I I if you keep hearing that, let me
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that's not accurate. And it's uh will
come from public works. It's their

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entity to install any lighting and
traffic control devices. Uh the money

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from that was intended to come out of
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» Okay.
>> So, uh so but I have not heard that

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publicly. They were looking at
contractors last time. Yeah. Maybe it

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was that it's it's very clearly like
it's not a public safety or

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I remember exactly what the what the the
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there was a conversation about well
that's not really just the an option

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right like it's not just easy or it's
not just something that oh well if the

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speed limit is this and there's an issue
then we can just throw flashing lights

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for you know during school hours it
flashes or for the for the crosswalks

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and so I was trying I'm I'm more so
thinking about when people ask why don't

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these these why don't these things
happen more often or why is there such a

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problem in being able to get something
that is so clearly going

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trouble or issues like what the process
is like is it a like city council

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transportation commission um for public
or like you know public works like where

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all that goes so that way when things
that even though they're safety related

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uh wouldn't necessarily be a public
safety issue as far as financing. So

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trying to clarify like
>> this project actually touches multiple

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city departments. We manage the actual
review of the tickets.

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» Right. Right.
>> Public works manages all of the in

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infrastructure permitting and that
because they have to lay power a lot of

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times with that access to network
>> uh and finance runs the court system and

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so not only do they deal with the
contracts and the payment for the

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program they also have to deal with
management aspect of it. So it when we

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were talking about this project, it was
a multi-layered project as far as

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getting the permits um to make any
lighting change or anything like that,

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traffic pattern change, that's all
public works. It has to go through and

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review through public works. And we did
that. We presented a number of options

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to the council.
And I was just telling Bessie that uh it

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may not uh change behavior as much as
people will

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and but the city council wants to go
that route and that's what we'll do. Uh

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and it's to the tune of about 150
200,000.

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» Okay.
>> So cool. Thank you.

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» So one more question on the the uh
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This is one of those um initiatives that
we had hoped that would really improve

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public safety. Mhm.
>> Um, so maybe it's a question for Chief

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Leavell. Are we seeing a reduction in
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» intersections? Well, at those
intersections, I can't answer that

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without doing some research. But we we
have over 500 motor vehicle accidents a

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year, and I haven't seen this
significant drop, but hopefully that is

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something we can start to track. But,
uh, yeah, I'd have to specifically pull

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some dash to see at those specific
locations. But yeah, we got a lot of

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automatic solutions.
>> And one of the things we did outside

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manage program up in Belleview is we all
always look at the right angle and rear

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end uh in this case speed uh probably
distracted driving because if you're not

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paying attention you're driving paying
attention your speed. So we can do that

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but we probably need uh two or three
years worth of data to see if there's a

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change. that as you can see from the
just the cases there there's going to be

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a little bit of a episode but yeah
something that that we can both track

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because they're going to go to the
injury crashes we're going to go to all

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crashes when they're even going to take
no injuries so we'll probably go go that

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now
>> great great question

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too right got
>> you know the council you got to speak up

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I can't do What are you saying?
>> Um I know that the council has um

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put forth a diversion program and they
have the judge working to that. Um so

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when you say you're going to be giving
going to court for four tickets, do you

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know they get the conversion for one or
do they have to go four times or

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» No, these are four different drivers.
actually five. I have another one in

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March.
>> But if they're taking a crowded, that's

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not diversion. They don't get diversion.
>> Okay.

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» So, I'm not sure why they're doing it.
Um I reviewed the all of the those

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tickets in preparation and we checked
their DMV photos. It's it's the driver.

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So, not sure why um they're doing that,
but that's their right to do that.

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» But if they lose, then the fine will be
imposed. What happens with diversion is

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they still have to pay the uh the
presumptive minimum fine.

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» So even say they're doing, you know, 20
over and it's $300 ticket, they have to

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pay the base fine if the say the
ordinance with the minimum fine.

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» Sure.
>> Then they have to pay for the school and

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then once they completed the school,
then the simply dismisses the ticket.

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» Okay. So, and we still have to pay
fairly for that.

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» Yeah. vendor. So, um that we'll see how
that that goes because I think people

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walk in go I just want a diversion not
knowing that they still have to pay the

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the presumptive and put some work into
getting into the traffic.

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» Yeah. Okay.
Any

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question?
>> All right. Good evening. I won't spend a

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ton of time on the report answer any
questions, but uh we have some folks

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that are going to do a demonstration and
talk about our new program and so I want

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to make sure we give them plenty of
time. But uh dive into the report. So

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total responses for the current fiscal
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So right on pace for where we've been.
Uh we did have a conversation at our uh

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admin meeting yesterday. It does. I'm
interested to see. It seems like every 5

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years we kind of see a spike and it goes
up. Um so it'll be interesting to track

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the next couple years and see what our
run numbers do. Um fire and life safety

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evaluations. So basically our
inspections

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uh that group uh small but mighty. We do
a fantastic job for only having two

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people in that division that are doing
um inspections. So 423 for the current

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fiscal year. Response times have been
fantastic. Uh very excited about this.

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Uh those times as it says there, that's
just within the city limits. That

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doesn't count on rural district or
Millersburg. Uh I did take Kevin's uh

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recommendation. So first the reported
structure fires, those aren't

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necessarily working instance. Those are
it could be a smoke outlet. It could be

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a variety of things, but those are every
time that we sent all five stations on a

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potential fire. So, there's been 53 of
those this fiscal year, and the average

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scene time is over an hour for those
incidents. Some of them may be several

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hours, some of them may be 15 to 20
minutes. And so, I thought maybe this

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would be, unless you guys have a
different recommendation, kind of

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average seed time that plays into
concurrent calls for service, which is

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on the back side. We can talk about that
in a second. Um, so yes, there is a lot

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of time that it takes when we do and
when we have an actual incident, we may

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have to pull the scene overnight, keep a
crew on firewatch. So it does it's very

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taxing for our resources and takes units
out of service for an extended period of

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time. Uh, community paramedic activity.
Um, Hillary has been doing a phenomenal

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job. I don't have January's staff in
there. That's because she's been out

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doing amazing things in the community
and she'll have an opportunity in just a

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minute to talk about what she's been
doing. Um on the back side, uh top 25

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responses, it's very fitting number two
and number three falls and lift assists.

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So the program uh the equipment that
we're going to talk about this evening,

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similar to what we carry on the rigs, um
it it's good for the patient, it's good

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for us, strains and sprains and hurting
backs and shoulders. Um, so we got a

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great demonstration like that for you.
Uh, concurrent calls for service. Uh,

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this is something that we need to
continue to watch. So, uh, having five

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calls occur at the same time, uh, 118
times this fiscal year. U twice we've

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had eight emergencies all going at the
same time in our community. Obviously,

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when we get to that level, we're we're
reaching out for assistance from

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Corvalis or from Lebanon to come in and
provide an ambience for us. Uh the the

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bottom picture there is our heat map. Uh
no big changes there as you can see from

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8:00 in the morning till 8 at night.
That is our our busy time of day. Uh we

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did have that peak activity unit medic
10 our single room program. It has been

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a game changer getting that from peak
activity to a 24-hour ambulance. So uh

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lot of a lot of improvements there. Just
a couple things to share. Uh we're in

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the process of uh designing and
purchasing a new fire engine. Uh 1.1

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million is the cost for that. Uh
delivery time once we place the order uh

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28 to 34 months is that right Joe. Um so
we go with the Pierce the same

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manufacturer that we always use. It'll
be identical to the one that's sitting

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out there in the last one we bought. A
few different specifications but um

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pretty close to the same thing. Um, our
new recruits, we had eight new

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firefighters and one single role
employee that um, graduated from the

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recruit academy in December and um, were
assigned a shift. Um, all doing a great

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job that filled a lot of vacancies that
we had. U, it'll also help out our

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00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:10,240
overtime budget. And then we just got
approval from the city to hire three

407
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:15,760
additional firefighters. So that was
discussed uh before we got into the

408
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:19,440
bianium of the budget process, but we
wanted to we were bargaining with the

409
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:23,520
union and we wanted to see how that went
and the cost associated with that and

410
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:28,960
then the plan was that we would revisit
it and the deputy senior manager gave us

411
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:33,839
approval. Uh it will take some time um
because we do we've lost one to another

412
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:37,440
department. We have an individual that's
on work back similar to what March had

413
00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,880
talked about. So we want to make sure
that when we do a recruit academy that

414
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:45,680
we're filling all those vacancies. So it
could be as many as five six people that

415
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:49,280
we put in that 16week academy. Uh we're
also in the process of replacing all of

416
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:53,440
our auto extrication equipment. Talking
about motor vehicle collisions. Some of

417
00:35:51,200 --> 00:36:00,000
our uh current equipment is 25 years
old. So we got council approval last

418
00:35:55,599 --> 00:36:06,960
week to spend $300 or $300,000
$300,000 to completely u outfit our

419
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:11,280
entire fleet. So big step for us. Uh
that is long overdue and we're excited

420
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:15,119
to make that happen. Uh last thing I
have our division chief of training Tom

421
00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:20,000
Hanky retired at the end of December.
That was unexpected. Uh basically gave

422
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:24,160
us about a twoe notice. Uh we'll be
posting for his position. We've kind of

423
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:28,000
tried to see if they're engaged if
there's any interest internally. U there

424
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:32,480
hasn't been a tenant. So we'll do an
internal external posting. Uh but for

425
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:35,920
the time being, there's a a few chiefs
that are kind of wearing a couple hats

426
00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:39,680
and and helping pick up that slack. But
it's a very important position in our

427
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:43,520
department. It's a division of one as
is. Now it's a division of zero. So we

428
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:46,800
definitely want to make sure that we get
that position filled. It was somebody

429
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:50,400
that's going to do a great job for
>> that department again.

430
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:54,000
» Uh it's our division chief of training.
>> Training.

431
00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:59,359
» What all do you say about
>> that is uh maintained all of our

432
00:36:56,560 --> 00:37:05,119
certifications with the state. that is
making sure that uh they run the

433
00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:10,720
recruitmies or a part of it facilitated
uh training for our current employees.

434
00:37:08,240 --> 00:37:16,079
Um yeah, it's it's a heavy lift. It's a
it's a big job. Uh what we had kind of

435
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:20,160
talked about internally I think we had
some uh engineers folks that drive that

436
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:24,800
would be interested. They help with
themies but there is so much

437
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:29,119
administrative and budget oversight that
we wanted to kind of keep it um bit of a

438
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:35,839
qualifications at like a company officer
and above since it is a chief level

439
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:38,640
position. So um we may sometimes we just
don't know if people are interested

440
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:42,720
until the job actually posts. They don't
want to share what their career

441
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:46,079
aspirations are. Uh but we haven't we've
been asking around and haven't for so we

442
00:37:44,720 --> 00:37:50,480
probably will have to go with an
external candidate.

443
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:53,119
Any questions before I kick it over to
the presentation?

444
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:57,760
» Yes, please.
>> This would probably be for both chiefs.

445
00:37:55,200 --> 00:38:03,520
Would it be possible to just put
together maybe doesn't need to be real

446
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:07,920
in depth but something shows I think we
looked at what the price of vehicles are

447
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:13,920
for the uping of your vehicles and yours
and then major equipment like life packs

448
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:18,079
and the you know tools and because I
don't think most of the public and

449
00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:23,599
probably most people on the committee
have an idea what it costs to put out

450
00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:29,839
for a medic when they have to be
replaced. I think that make it for sure.

451
00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:34,079
» You'll probably remember this. Our Oh,
you were on your You guys are still on

452
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:41,760
700. I know you're on VHF.
>> So, our our uh 700 system or portable

453
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:43,599
radios are now $11,000 each.
>> So, are they dual band or are they

454
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:46,160
single band?
>> They're single.

455
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:50,000
» So, dual band is even more.
>> Yeah.

456
00:38:47,359 --> 00:38:51,119
» Yeah. It's it's
outrageous.

457
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:54,760
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. We had a portfol

458
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:03,680
I don't know those are five or $6,000 a
piece I think just for the one specific

459
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:08,560
» 15 years ago roughly probably an engine
was about 650 700,000

460
00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:11,599
» it's almost double
>> and there are fewer manufacturers now

461
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:15,560
too
>> and two years to get

462
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:24,400
» all right so we have an amazing program
I've shared with the group. Um it's now

463
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:28,960
in full effect. Our community paramedic,
Hillary Cosmiki, has been out working

464
00:39:26,079 --> 00:39:33,200
with the care homes as well as uh David
Bart. And so she's going to kind of talk

465
00:39:31,200 --> 00:39:36,480
about what she's sharing with the care
facilities and then we'll do a

466
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,400
demonstration and any questions that you
may have out of it.

467
00:39:37,359 --> 00:39:42,480
» All right, we're going to start with
some fun facts.

468
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:49,400
» Uh when was the first care facility
established in Albany, Oregon,

469
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,400
and who?

470
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:57,000
like I did.

471
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:08,079
» So, ADH was started in 1944 with 32
beds. So, this facility was an overflow

472
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:13,119
for specialized care within
so does anybody know

473
00:40:11,040 --> 00:40:18,480
so 1942
and it was amenity.

474
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:24,720
» Yeah. So that's kind of a little
background as to what where this has

475
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:28,720
gone from there to today.
>> Kind of what happens when it's unchecked

476
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,599
and when you don't know your rules and
then you get to where we are today.

477
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:36,160
Basically that's kind of the whole
foundation of how starting. So like

478
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:43,200
Chris saides
and um basic evaluations falls that is

479
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:50,320
like a major problem. Um we do the care
facilities for roughly give or take 30%

480
00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:53,680
of our call going here. And so my job is
to make calls go away, right? Keep them

481
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:59,200
out of the ambulance, keep them out of
the DR. And one of the things that I

482
00:40:56,079 --> 00:41:03,359
came up with was um many years ago I've
been trying to get the facilities to do

483
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:08,720
this within their own uh communities or
fall response team, but I couldn't get

484
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:14,000
them on board. And then um we got
approached by DHS saying, "Hey, we have

485
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:17,200
this grant and we want you to put in for
the grant and we want you to try to get

486
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:21,520
this established because if this works
in Albany, they want to take it out to

487
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:24,640
Oregon. And because this isn't just an
Oregon problem, it's not an Albany

488
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:28,960
problem. It's like a United States
problem that 911 is getting overutilized

489
00:41:27,359 --> 00:41:32,319
for things that care facilities are
actually responsibility to do on their

490
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:36,720
own.
So whenever care facilities are fined,

491
00:41:34,079 --> 00:41:41,520
it goes into a facility improvement fund
and then they reach out to people like

492
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:46,160
the responders, us say, "What is going
on and what can we do to fix it?" And so

493
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:51,920
that is how this all came about. They
want to help fix that job. So basically,

494
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:55,920
I think we purchased 15 cushions between
Elks and Camel to show the difference.

495
00:41:54,160 --> 00:42:00,240
13 of those were donated back to the
facilities. So every memory care,

496
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:05,359
assisted living, and nursing home got
one of these. Um, and so far in the

497
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,880
month of January, how many times did
they use it?

498
00:42:06,240 --> 00:42:15,599
» So, we had over a 10day stretch from
December 20th to December 30th. We had

499
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:20,400
seven lift assists in 10 days that we
didn't have to go on the facility,

500
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:24,000
documented, did the lift, whatever they
whatever happened, they were uninjured,

501
00:42:22,319 --> 00:42:26,240
were able to assist with the lift at
that time.

502
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:32,800
» Yep. And then I collected all the sheets
today and

503
00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:37,599
» we're at uh 17 for January.
>> So it's huge.

504
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:41,040
» You know, not only are they utilizing
what they're supposed to be doing, basic

505
00:42:39,040 --> 00:42:46,079
evaluations and lift assists if people
are uninjured, but they're not calling

506
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:52,240
us. So that's huge.
Um, so I kind of really hit home how

507
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:56,000
» how we have to be available for
emergency and we're not supposed to be

508
00:42:54,240 --> 00:43:00,160
used for non-cursive transport. That's
the other reason that they use that a

509
00:42:57,359 --> 00:43:07,079
lot and it's something that it's not
actually our rule. That's kind of why he

510
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,079
kind of looked up when we first to

511
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:14,079
have what's called a provider alert.
states that somebody is conscious alert

512
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:18,480
stable, vitals are stable, and there's
no change in condition, they're actually

513
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:21,839
supposed to be handling non-emergency
transports on theirelves on their own.

514
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:25,839
And so that's another thing that I'm
working on. So, we're working on that.

515
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:29,920
And this is all part of this program
that we're working on. It's not only

516
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:32,960
just a care facility. They all got this.
They all have all the information. I've

517
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:38,079
trained them on the information probably
eight times in the last 5 years. So, I

518
00:43:35,599 --> 00:43:42,240
just keep coming back and I kind of let
them know, hey, we're in this together.

519
00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:49,920
We're This is new to us just as it is to
you. And I go over how we have limited

520
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:55,680
resources. Um we cover Albany. We call
sorry cover tangent shed holding. We are

521
00:43:52,480 --> 00:44:00,960
mutual aid with um Lebanon, Corvalis,
you know, we go to Millersburg.

522
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:04,160
And when we actually I like to say we
have three full-time medic units because

523
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:08,400
station 14 depending on what kind of
call they get that takes two medic units

524
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:12,640
away to where we have all of this
community to serve to where we really

525
00:44:10,319 --> 00:44:17,680
need you to triage your people and do
your own transportation or arrange for

526
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:21,040
that transportation and leave us out in
a non-emergency transport because

527
00:44:19,119 --> 00:44:28,160
they're getting paid to take care of
that. And so I said it's really good

528
00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:32,079
customer service on our part. So we're
available for the real emergencies.

529
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:36,319
» So you talk about a training cadence
like that. Do you see the same folks

530
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:40,400
staying at these facilities or staff?
See the same staff.

531
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:43,440
» The turnover I want to say the state
said the turnover is like over 200%.

532
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:47,359
» There.
>> And so it is a revolving door. It's

533
00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:51,440
always new. And I've asked to be
included in the new hire process as far

534
00:44:49,839 --> 00:44:54,480
as winter training. like I would love to
come in and just keep giving

535
00:44:52,800 --> 00:45:00,000
information. So,
>> but it's a it's a work in progress. It's

536
00:44:57,359 --> 00:45:03,119
learning, you know, with our guys having
uncomfortable conversations saying,

537
00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:07,839
"Hey, you know, this person checks out.
We more than willing to let them be

538
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:12,000
supervised by you while we arranged for
them to get to where they need to go."

539
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:16,880
But that also includes us to show up, do
a full evaluation, check all of the

540
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:20,480
boxes, and say, "Okay." And we actually
talk to the patient, too. Are you okay

541
00:45:18,720 --> 00:45:24,640
with this? If they say, "No, I want to
go by you." We take them. But then we

542
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:28,880
still talk on the facility side saying,
"You should have never came." So, and

543
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:34,319
you have to understand that the care
facilities as far as memory care and

544
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:37,440
assisted living, nobody on that staff is
medically trained. I didn't know if you

545
00:45:35,520 --> 00:45:42,400
guys knew that or they don't have to
know CPR, first aid, nothing. They are

546
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:47,280
basically like they're only there to
help with activities of daily living.

547
00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:49,599
And there's no medical care at those
even though they're called care

548
00:45:48,240 --> 00:45:53,839
facilities.
It's kind of, you know, it doesn't make

549
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:57,680
sense honestly because we see a
caregiver as one thing, but they're not,

550
00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,359
they don't provide any medical
attention.

551
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:02,160
» There's about a jillion different kinds
of facilities, too, right? And they're

552
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:06,720
all some licensed by county, some by
state, some by

553
00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:11,040
» um so this is nursing homes, residential
care, uh assisted living, and memory

554
00:46:10,319 --> 00:46:15,040
care.
>> And adult foster homes, if they are

555
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:19,119
licensed by the state, it's because
they're providing the same care like

556
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:22,400
actively daily living. The funny thing
about that is if you're in any type of

557
00:46:20,720 --> 00:46:24,880
residential care that's not in these big
buildings, yeah,

558
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:31,440
» they're required to have first aid and
medical card and CPR fire, but they're

559
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:35,920
not required to actually use them.
So, it's a it's a weird system. Yeah.

560
00:46:34,319 --> 00:46:39,440
Yeah. So, and it's and it's crazy
because this is our most vulnerable

561
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:43,200
population
and they're just there to help them with

562
00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:47,520
their daily activities, make sure
they're taking their medications, get

563
00:46:45,119 --> 00:46:52,880
them to and from doctor's appointments.
And it's a very blurred line because

564
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:56,560
when somebody says, "Oh, they need to be
evaluated." Or the doctor says, "Send

565
00:46:54,720 --> 00:47:00,560
them out." Or their labs are off, they
need to go to the emergency room. That

566
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:04,560
triggers a lot of people saying, "Oh my
gosh, that's a 911 call." But really,

567
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:09,680
that is an unscheduled doctor's
appointment. They're just open 24/7. So,

568
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:14,319
it's just a real change in language and
trying to have it make sense to

569
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:19,119
everybody. And when I go through like
what we have on staff and that, hey, we

570
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:23,599
are all crossrained. We go to fires, we
go to car accidents, we go to active

571
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:26,880
shooters, we do all of this stuff. We
have to be available for that because

572
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:34,240
we're not in the non-emergency transport
business. But since 1942,

573
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:38,880
we've been doing it. And so this is a
huge change. It's like we need you to

574
00:47:37,119 --> 00:47:44,240
kind of get back to doing your job that
we've never made you. So

575
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:51,920
» So of those 13 facilities, there's three
that are nursing care homes, which have

576
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:57,359
CNAs, um, and medical trained staff. The
other 10 are the ones that she's

577
00:47:53,920 --> 00:48:01,280
speaking of, the the daytoday care that
they take care of the residents.

578
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:08,000
» And then we have two facilities that are
Bonaventure and uh was it Ren Prairie? I

579
00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:13,599
mean Gary
>> 1560 that are mixed like they have me

580
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:16,880
they have assisted independent and
memory therapy. So that kind of muddies

581
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:20,560
the waters too.
>> You guys have any questions on that

582
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:26,640
before we get to the cushions? So, we
ended up doing like 202 staff members in

583
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:33,440
the facilities and then we brought we
just got the our staff up to up to speed

584
00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:39,040
what we went out and did and then lots
of discussion and talk and brought the

585
00:48:36,319 --> 00:48:43,040
the staff our crews up to date as to
what's going on and how to approach each

586
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:47,119
situation.
And then so

587
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:52,160
» it's been
it's it's a very it's mindblowing to

588
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:56,160
everybody who works here where like but
what if this what if that I'm like you

589
00:48:54,400 --> 00:49:00,160
have to still do your job. Number one
you got to do your job if everything

590
00:48:58,319 --> 00:49:05,680
checks out and they're okay with it. You
have them arrange it and eventually

591
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:10,480
they're going to stop involving right.
Is this um this change something that

592
00:49:08,400 --> 00:49:14,559
just applies to like the Albany area or
is this kind of

593
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:19,760
» No, this is anybody who h does business
in Oregon is supposed to be following

594
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:24,880
this and it's been since facilities were
established. We just did not know the

595
00:49:21,760 --> 00:49:30,240
rules. So, it's like nobody really
looked into it until I was tasked with

596
00:49:27,359 --> 00:49:35,839
volunte paramedic, right? and they're
like, uh, go on our high utilizers, go

597
00:49:33,839 --> 00:49:40,240
on our frequent calls, the things that
we get, go on the most and try to figure

598
00:49:37,920 --> 00:49:42,480
it out. And took a lot of leg work. I
had to call the state. I'm like, what

599
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:47,440
are the rules? I don't even know what
the rules are. And just knowing that

600
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:50,240
caregivers weren't medically trained
blew my mind. I was like, "Oh my gosh,

601
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,559
that explains a lot.
>> Really surprises."

602
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,640
» Yeah. It's like, because we're going
out, I'm like, "Well, why didn't you

603
00:49:53,920 --> 00:49:57,839
help them?"
>> Well, I don't know. Or what's wrong with

604
00:49:56,319 --> 00:50:00,559
them? I don't know. It's like, "You're a
caregiver. How come you don't know

605
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:05,520
that?" But we had no idea they weren't
medically trained staff. And then to

606
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:08,559
actually go through everything else, I'm
like, "Wow." I'm like, "We have been

607
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:12,000
supplementing your staff since the
beginning of of time, since the history

608
00:50:10,400 --> 00:50:16,640
of care facilities in Albany."
>> I wonder if that's the case in um other

609
00:50:14,319 --> 00:50:21,040
areas, too. like if staff members and
other care facilities

610
00:50:18,880 --> 00:50:23,599
are also not medically trained and also
not

611
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:26,880
» well it's it's kind of different in
every area that you're in because if you

612
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:30,240
go to Salem or Eugene they have private
ambulance and so they can call the

613
00:50:28,720 --> 00:50:35,920
non-emergency line and ask for a
transfer and a private ambulance to do

614
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:38,480
that but because we are the fire
department and we are the only one in

615
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:42,559
town
>> it's required of them to either either

616
00:50:40,319 --> 00:50:46,559
provide that care for them like with a
transport van or their activity vans or

617
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:50,240
to have somebody that will come and take
them or family members.

618
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:53,760
» So, we've just been doing it though. So,
it's different. So, really, it's on

619
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:58,240
facilities to know their area, know the
capabilities of their fire department

620
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:02,480
and who they have for non routes to
transport in the area, but they just

621
00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:07,520
don't do it because these a lot of these
places uh operate outside of Oregon and

622
00:51:06,079 --> 00:51:10,960
they're all different. Like, if you go
outside of Oregon, they have guarantees

623
00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:15,040
that work there or they have medically
trained staff that are required to be

624
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:19,839
there. Oregon isn't the same.
>> The thing is the fire service, it's it's

625
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:25,200
hard for us to say no. Yeah. And so it
was a lot different 25 years ago when we

626
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:30,079
were running 4,000 calls versus 12,000
calls. And so as we look for proactive

627
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:34,079
ways to try to reduce non-emergency
calls for service, like these are the

628
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,880
things that we got to think outside the
box and what we can do to try to keep

629
00:51:36,240 --> 00:51:39,680
the sources.
>> And it's really hard. It is so hard.

630
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:46,160
» Yeah.
>> And knowing this now, they're sure not

631
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:47,920
afraid to charge like they've got the
medical help.

632
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,880
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

633
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:55,839
» So, the way they go about charging
people is between assisted living memory

634
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:59,280
care. It's the same untrained people.
>> It's how much time they have to spend

635
00:51:57,359 --> 00:52:02,559
with the individual is how they go with
their pay scale as far as how much they

636
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:06,880
charge them. So, that's why memory care
is more expensive because that's

637
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:10,160
basically 24-hour job. or assisted
living. It depends on what they have to

638
00:52:08,559 --> 00:52:17,599
do to help them with that's how much
they charge him. That's how that's done.

639
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:21,359
» Is there any way to um I just find it
really troubling that they don't even

640
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:23,839
have basic first aid for CPI? It's
crazy.

641
00:52:22,240 --> 00:52:27,760
» Uh
the only way that it's going to happen

642
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:32,079
is a level
>> and trying to get the the rules changed

643
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:35,359
at the top. That's the only way it's
going to happen. I don't think we should

644
00:52:33,839 --> 00:52:39,920
get a guest speaker from the long-term
care.

645
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:46,160
It just strikes me that they're missing
a golden opportunity because if they had

646
00:52:42,559 --> 00:52:51,359
trained staff, they could use that
>> in promotion, you know, but we're the

647
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:55,960
only ones in that have that, you know,
100% bottom line

648
00:52:57,119 --> 00:53:02,319
as well.
>> It defends their bottom line and they're

649
00:52:59,359 --> 00:53:07,119
one kind of per profit. And how much do
bond ventures make?

650
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:11,040
» Bond adventure was almost 300 million
andale

651
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:14,160
nationally was like 3.2 billion.
>> Yeah. If they can afford it, they're

652
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:18,160
just
>> Yeah. And we and it's like you're going

653
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:23,119
to complete you're going to be
supplementing staff.

654
00:53:20,319 --> 00:53:26,880
So if they have higher degree
responsibility, they have to pay the

655
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:30,559
workers more.
I had a pocket that went from

656
00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:34,800
independent to assistant to Medicare and
it went from about $8,000 a month to

657
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:40,240
almost $20,000 a month.
>> Yeah, it's it's very criminal.

658
00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:44,000
» Yeah, it is. But at the same time, it's
not on the caregivers either. They're

659
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:48,160
only doing what staff is telling them to
do. And they are they work very hard for

660
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:51,440
as little as they get paid. So, it's not
their fault. It No, it's not.

661
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:54,480
» It comes from admin and they're doing
exactly what admin is telling them. So,

662
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:58,160
it's from the top down. It's all with
the training and and educating them on

663
00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:00,960
what their roles are because when they
learn them, they're they're fine and

664
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:06,720
they're improving.
>> Just like Quill Runs, they're the ones

665
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:09,200
at what 24. No,
>> what was the number?

666
00:54:08,559 --> 00:54:12,319
» 17.
>> 17. Yeah.

667
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:17,280
» They're the Coil Run for both months
have been like the outstanding amazing

668
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:20,880
people. They love their
>> But then and they use it nonstop. So

669
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:24,000
then you got another one when I was
picking up the calendars. They didn't

670
00:54:22,319 --> 00:54:27,520
use it and now they've got a back injury
and they've got a worker's fire plane.

671
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:31,839
And she's so mad. She's like, "The fire
department hates this. Why didn't you

672
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:36,800
use it?" I'm like, "What are we going to
do?" She's like, "I'm so mad." I'm

673
00:54:34,382 --> 00:54:41,520
[laughter] like, "I'm sorry." But
>> I think the big thing Hillary's done

674
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:47,040
such a good job. She's in contact with
the state. she they created a position

675
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:52,720
to actually
uh field the questions that she has

676
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:59,839
about all of the documentation for these
care facilities and how they have um

677
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:02,240
she's staying up on that. So he's they
created a position at the state to be

678
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:06,160
able to
>> he told me all the questions and

679
00:55:04,400 --> 00:55:11,440
knowledge actually have taught him how
to do his job. And then he also said, he

680
00:55:09,119 --> 00:55:14,079
goes, "You have the largest scope of any
community paramedic in the state. You're

681
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:18,079
only one."
>> He goes, "All these other people have

682
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:22,880
dual multiple community paramedics for a
department." He goes, "You're one and

683
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:27,040
your scope is like so big." And it's
because when we have a problem with the

684
00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,680
department, I get questions all the time
like, "Okay, well, what are we going to

685
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:34,240
do to fix that?" Just like that's how
Damon got involved. It's like, "Okay,

686
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:37,040
well, I want this." And so him and one
of my other firefighters sat down and

687
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:40,240
helped me build the training program.
cuz I'm like you guys are responding.

688
00:55:38,640 --> 00:55:44,640
What do you want to see? And they just
took it from there. So it's not one

689
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:49,520
person that takes the entire department,
but it's like once I get hammered with

690
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:54,079
so many questions or so many frequent
callers, I'm like, "Okay, I guess we got

691
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:57,760
to fix it." So, and the program just
keeps growing and growing and growing.

692
00:55:55,359 --> 00:56:03,280
So, but calls are
>> Are you the first kid?

693
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:07,359
» Yes. I think I was the second in.
But they they told me they're like I'm

694
00:56:06,240 --> 00:56:10,240
like I don't know what that is. They're
like they don't know either. We just

695
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:14,319
want you to keep him out of the
ambulance and out of the ER and that was

696
00:56:12,240 --> 00:56:18,319
my that was what how I started. I was
like okay

697
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,040
» and Brad talking about it.
>> Yeah.

698
00:56:18,640 --> 00:56:23,760
» Yeah.
>> They had no idea what we were supposed

699
00:56:20,319 --> 00:56:29,599
to do. We just needed somebody creative.
All right. So these are the two lifting

700
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:34,319
cushions and the guys are gonna show you
guys how they work.

701
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:39,119
Damon's gonna explain the capabilities
and Yeah,

702
00:56:37,520 --> 00:56:45,040
I'm the numbers person and he's the
doer. So,

703
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:47,359
» uh, we're gonna do one at a time.
>> Yeah.

704
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:51,520
» You want to do it on the ground and we
can use somebody as a

705
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:56,720
» person?
So we basically went into each of the

706
00:56:53,599 --> 00:57:03,520
facilities not knowing exactly how they
responded to medical fall, lift assist,

707
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:08,160
anything that way. So we asked who's
going to be responding to each of those

708
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:14,960
calls within the facility. They they
basically told us a med and two.

709
00:57:12,000 --> 00:57:21,200
So that works good with the system of
this the lifting device. Um, so each of

710
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:27,040
the facilities, uh, Men and I getting
three of these. Um,

711
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:34,160
and some of the other ones getting two.
The other ones we use, uh, the elk and

712
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:39,280
then we have this one is the camel. Do
we have the right there? Yeah.

713
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:44,640
Um,
so basically we we had them do kind of a

714
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:49,599
head to toe checking them for any
bleeding, any deformities, anything

715
00:57:46,640 --> 00:57:54,799
outside of their baseline um level of
consciousness for their what whether

716
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:59,680
they're in memory care or assisted
living. So basically walked through did

717
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:05,119
that and then showed them the
instruction on this. Each of these

718
00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:09,359
compressors uh they've got a 12-h hour
charge on them. We carry these actually

719
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:14,640
on our engines now. The health device.
This other one, we'll show you that one

720
00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:23,760
too. Um, this one has a lifting device
of 770 lbs. They're both at the same

721
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:29,520
height at 22 in in their height. Um,
so we came up with with their basic

722
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:35,040
evaluation on each one of these
compressors.

723
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:39,119
We've got just a little uh pocket guy
and you got one there. So basically,

724
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:45,520
it's real simple. It's fastened onto
here on the compressor. When they take

725
00:58:41,359 --> 00:58:49,040
that, the med grabs this and the device.
They can follow that to it to you.

726
00:58:47,119 --> 00:58:55,119
resident has a paw. Before moving the
resident, prior to calling 911, ask are

727
00:58:52,160 --> 00:59:00,160
you okay? And then are you injured?
Would you like us to call 911? So those

728
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:03,760
are the things. And then they're going
to conduct their basic evaluation from

729
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:10,960
head to toe, putting their hands on
them. And then um if they're uninjured,

730
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:16,480
we can use either or. Um the camel
working the best in here.

731
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:20,880
» It's a oneperson lift. So there's four
buttons on here.

732
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:26,480
So they just start with the first button
and we'll kind of demonstrate that. But

733
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:30,559
» before we get them on the the lifting
device, we'll have the resident, we'll

734
00:59:28,319 --> 00:59:34,960
scoot them, we'll hook up the hoses,
we'll scoot them on there. But prior to

735
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:38,160
that, we kind of cue the staff.
>> Yeah.

736
00:59:35,359 --> 00:59:42,000
» To basically um you
>> So if somebody's on the floor, they have

737
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:46,720
been on the floor an hour or they may
have been on the floor 10 minutes. And

738
00:59:44,480 --> 00:59:52,799
we had one of the volunteers actually at
me memory care at Timberwood. We asked

739
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:57,440
her, "Uh, are you okay and you hurting?"
She said, "I hurt all over."

740
00:59:55,040 --> 01:00:02,160
» So we kind of cued them to say, "Well,
is that good or just from laying on the

741
00:59:59,839 --> 01:00:08,640
floor?" So they're able to triage the
pace the resident out. Um,

742
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:12,079
» so we skipped a a vital step. He He's on
the cushion. So he's

743
01:00:10,559 --> 01:00:15,760
» Yeah. How do you get him on the cushion?
We can slide them on with a sheet. Is

744
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:20,000
that part of the training? Because
that's critical.

745
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:24,000
» Yeah. Yeah. Up to the staff what they're
comfortable with. Like we we taught them

746
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:27,280
how to sheet slide because we want to
take the lift out of it because we want

747
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:31,680
we don't want anybody to get injured. So
we're like this requires no lifting. So

748
01:00:29,920 --> 01:00:33,760
you can you roll them on their slide and
get that close. Roll them back then have

749
01:00:33,119 --> 01:00:36,000
them scooch.
>> Y

750
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:39,520
» or you can have them lay back on a a
blanket and you slide them on.

751
01:00:37,920 --> 01:00:41,760
» But it's kind of up to the facility. We
left it up to whatever they're most

752
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:46,960
comfortable with cuz they're not
medically trained. So, we're just like,

753
01:00:44,240 --> 01:00:49,839
"Okay." And they're figuring it out. We
gave them options. We said, "Use what

754
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:54,480
works best for you and what you're
comfortable with."

755
01:00:51,920 --> 01:00:59,839
» So, with with that, he's got the the
compressor hooked up, turn it on, and

756
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:03,920
then they'll start with the camel. We'll
kind of get them. We want to get their

757
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:09,440
head up at least. So, there's four
buttons on there. So, like one is one

758
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:14,079
and five. So, we'll get them up to a 45
and then we'll start on two and bring

759
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:19,680
that bottom cushion up the next one. And
then we ask them to

760
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:26,799
get one of the cushions filled up. So,
reevaluate,

761
01:01:21,839 --> 01:01:29,920
see if there's any change that way.
And this is part of the troubleshooting

762
01:01:28,319 --> 01:01:33,520
that we went over with them because you
can't

763
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:40,880
connect
very sharp. the pressors and the lift

764
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:45,599
devices keeping after them
they go

765
01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:48,599
warranty. Uh we asked if they have the
portic

766
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:10,960
» and with this one you can kind of see as
long as they're supine straight in line

767
01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:17,760
with it straight.
>> Yeah. But then with one person,

768
01:02:15,359 --> 01:02:21,480
the resident was pretty happy with how
it worked out. She said,

769
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:35,520
» it's just a process really. We're like
we're just kind of teaching them how to

770
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:39,040
work best within their scope.
And really the card Did you go through

771
01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:41,680
the card with them?
>> Go on the back.

772
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:46,559
» Yeah. what the card is. It's all we're
asking are they entered or not injured

773
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:54,880
to the to kind of go through that not
entered and then go from there.

774
01:02:50,559 --> 01:03:00,480
So we go again
and we told the arts they can come out

775
01:02:57,599 --> 01:03:04,960
and they be on the third cushion and
then they reeval

776
01:03:02,799 --> 01:03:11,000
resident.
So, we're just going to

777
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:11,000
land.

778
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:33,359
So, each one goes to 22 in in a night.
They're pretty easy as far as needles.

779
01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:36,920
We just asked them to write them in jail
and then try

780
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:45,079
pretty hardy. He could check it out
afterwards. See how it's pretty firm.

781
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:53,160
So then here you'll go back to
and then bring back to the city.

782
01:03:56,960 --> 01:04:04,319
about $2,400 for that one and about
1,600 for the uh the smaller one.

783
01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:07,039
» Yeah. So, the compressor is the most
expensive part.

784
01:04:05,359 --> 01:04:12,079
» Yeah. I mean, that that's when you buy
that as a package, it's 24 for the

785
01:04:09,119 --> 01:04:16,559
compressor and that.
>> So, then at this point, we just ask them

786
01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:20,240
to kind of let them sit there, get their
bearings back. how depends on how long

787
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:25,359
we've been down. Got to get the
circulation going again is set vital

788
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:29,440
signs, make sure we're good and then go
from there to be over. If we don't need

789
01:04:27,599 --> 01:04:34,079
to move them, we have to go right to the
pie. It's a little easier or we can just

790
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:38,240
leave them there and if they feel okay,
then we can go ahead and they can and

791
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:43,200
then each time that they do one of
these, we send out to each of the

792
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:49,599
facilities and has a 12-month calendar
that um so they fill it out. This one's

793
01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:56,400
the January one.
So, they filled the boxes. Um, and it

794
01:04:52,559 --> 01:05:04,480
just basically covers date, age, gender,
repeat, yes or no. Basic evaluation,

795
01:05:00,319 --> 01:05:13,280
yes, no. 911 called yes, no. There was
one that they called, yes, called 911.

796
01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:19,200
Um and then brief description and then
the the device used uh transport yes or

797
01:05:16,480 --> 01:05:25,359
no and then a number of personnel they
used to do that.

798
01:05:21,839 --> 01:05:31,599
» So so you got them sitting up now so in
the facility

799
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:35,039
they get their various and then they can
put them into bed that way. Is that

800
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:40,400
» Yeah. and they they've got their
standards as to like if this person

801
01:05:37,119 --> 01:05:44,079
resident is a twoerson assist. So
they'll get two people on each side and

802
01:05:41,839 --> 01:05:48,720
set them up whether they need to go back
to their wheelchair or they need to go

803
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:55,960
to bed or they're going to the dining
hall or however they may be or or going

804
01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:55,960
to the bathroom whatever the

805
01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:01,920
» Did you guys want to see the other one
or do you

806
01:06:00,960 --> 01:06:06,880
» see what the difference is?
>> Yeah. Okay. All right. Just leave that

807
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:10,039
one. All right. You can disconnect. You
can disconnect.

808
01:06:10,079 --> 01:06:17,359
» I think this is absolutely great. I
already impressed by. But I have to say

809
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:23,200
from a user standpoint,
it looks harder to use than AD.

810
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:27,839
» I I mean, yeah, it's
>> You want to try to hook it up?

811
01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:30,400
» I don't I was watching those.
>> Well, that was the first time they ever

812
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:34,880
hooked that one up. Well, but it's going
to be the first time with 200% turnover

813
01:06:32,720 --> 01:06:38,079
at facility. It's just going to be the
first time for a lot of

814
01:06:36,400 --> 01:06:42,599
» and they tried to make it as user
friendly colored and

815
01:06:39,599 --> 01:06:42,599
» number

816
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:53,200
just if someone's going to sit just move
it to the

817
01:06:50,000 --> 01:06:58,400
» Yeah, this one can kind of be um like if
we get we end up in bathroom in a tight

818
01:06:55,680 --> 01:07:04,280
spot, we see all the time. This one is
real That's the right application.

819
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:12,480
» This is definitely a minimum of two
person or that other one was a one

820
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:17,440
person or assist
>> because this uh is more they did for

821
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:20,640
assisted living because you have to have
a little bit more core strength to kind

822
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:26,039
of sit without wobbling.
>> So you just have to face it.

823
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:32,599
Show your face somewhere.
>> Huh?

824
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:44,599
» These just came out of the package. So
you have to kind

825
01:07:55,680 --> 01:07:59,720
» No, you're fine. Just make sure

826
01:08:10,240 --> 01:08:19,679
» we kind of found we can get typically
two lifts full like a camel and milk

827
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:27,279
back in and then it's got to go back.
It's a has a 12h hour charging period

828
01:08:23,199 --> 01:08:27,279
to get it fully charged back.

829
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:36,640
So they have a
battery pack independent of the

830
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:39,640
» Yeah, they can we can replace the
battery.

831
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:47,159
So we don't charge maintaining and
replacing

832
01:08:47,679 --> 01:08:54,759
are the batteries the same battery. It's
interchangeable. This is a seven.

833
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:05,759
» Are they lithium or
so

834
01:09:03,040 --> 01:09:08,759
that just now starts
like

835
01:09:12,080 --> 01:09:17,199
» it's just the connection there. But
>> you guys want to

836
01:09:16,640 --> 01:09:22,000
» Yeah.
>> sit on or feel them whatever. They're

837
01:09:19,759 --> 01:09:24,880
very, very sturdy. They're okay.
>> This one's green.

838
01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:28,400
» Yeah, that one is too.
>> So, did you say that you had one of

839
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:31,520
these on each of the engines?
>> We have an elk on every engine.

840
01:09:30,719 --> 01:09:35,759
» Okay.
>> And they work great.

841
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:38,640
» We've had them for years. That became
that came upon because we have back

842
01:09:37,520 --> 01:09:42,000
injuries
>> and so this is helping us. Yeah. And

843
01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:48,799
this one's a lot the smaller one's a lot
speedier. Uh this one really is designed

844
01:09:45,040 --> 01:09:53,920
more for care homes. And so, um, yeah,
that one we have great use with and it

845
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:59,440
was easy to to sell that because it just
something we've had for probably five or

846
01:09:55,440 --> 01:10:04,719
six years now on our engines.
>> All the room on the engines.

847
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:09,040
» How long do they typically last? Like
what is the

848
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:12,320
» charger
like the machine?

849
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:16,239
» True. We've had the other lifting
devices. I mean, you can you can see

850
01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:20,080
they kind of get they kind of get beat
up on the engine, but these are some of

851
01:10:17,920 --> 01:10:24,320
our original ones and they're five six
years old. I'm just now starting to

852
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:28,719
replace the internal battery sockets.
>> So, you're talking 60 to 65 bucks. As

853
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:32,000
long as you keep this in good shape and
working shape. I mean, so far we've not

854
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:38,719
had to replace any.
>> Yeah.

855
01:10:34,400 --> 01:10:43,920
But take it into a home where there's
as an example, he fell down and it it's

856
01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:47,280
like dead weight. Dead weight.
>> Yep.

857
01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:53,199
» And so it actually took more than just
one or two to do it. So would this help

858
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:56,800
that also? Like you get them on it and
then

859
01:10:54,159 --> 01:10:59,760
» Yeah. And you can even use them like if
you need to put somebody on a backboard

860
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:03,280
and they're a big person as well, you
can put the backboard on top of this and

861
01:11:01,440 --> 01:11:06,640
it will help you get up too. So there's
you can use it in multiple ways.

862
01:11:04,880 --> 01:11:10,080
» Oh yeah.
>> Same with that. You don't have to

863
01:11:07,920 --> 01:11:14,800
inflate the the head. So if you have
somebody who's bed bound that can't sit

864
01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:19,360
up, you just don't use number one.
And then we have told them like they can

865
01:11:16,960 --> 01:11:22,640
go into the shower. They need something
to have somebody sit on to support and

866
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:27,600
shower. They can go in a shower. They
can do anything. you can get wet. Um, so

867
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:31,040
there's multiple uses. It's just a
creative use. Like if you were like,

868
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:34,840
"Oh, we should try that." Then
absolutely, I knew it.

869
01:11:35,679 --> 01:11:41,920
» So you said 17 times in January, one
facility.

870
01:11:40,239 --> 01:11:44,159
» Uh, 15.
>> Okay.

871
01:11:42,400 --> 01:11:48,159
» 15, right?
>> 17.

872
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:50,400
» 17 total. 14 is just one facility.
>> Yeah.

873
01:11:48,480 --> 01:11:54,000
» Yeah. But either way, that's a lot of
ambulance.

874
01:11:52,000 --> 01:11:56,560
total of 25 I think so far,
>> right? So

875
01:11:55,280 --> 01:12:02,239
» since December 20th
>> that's big savings a day basically

876
01:11:59,679 --> 01:12:07,239
» that we're available for other
so I'm waiting to see this number fall

877
01:12:03,840 --> 01:12:07,239
down the listing

878
01:12:07,679 --> 01:12:13,440
that number if they're using the device
>> they are still doing their basic

879
01:12:11,600 --> 01:12:17,520
valuation and lifting on their own if
they want to you know they can get hurt

880
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:22,800
but that's they're only reporting the
ones that they use the device for.

881
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:26,880
That's
even this is helpful. Really helpful

882
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:32,080
too. I noticed that those have those
questions on there and my dad he falls

883
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:36,480
he's had a lot of balls too. So this
helps kind of like be able to

884
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:41,120
differentiate you know does he need to
go to the emergency room. They're

885
01:12:38,480 --> 01:12:44,960
untrained medical staff. So it's like
just follow this and we will never

886
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:48,320
question you. that if you do that,
you're doing a great job because we

887
01:12:46,719 --> 01:12:51,360
can't really expect a whole lot from
them because they're not trained.

888
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:56,960
» And we have to keep telling ourselves
that because a caregiver means so much

889
01:12:54,000 --> 01:13:01,120
to us as they were scrubs. You see with
stethoscopes, they look medically

890
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:04,800
trained, but they're not.
>> So yeah, we had we did this because we

891
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:09,600
wanted to take the guess work out of
everything and just go down and do this

892
01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:14,159
and then if you get to the bottom and
they're not hurt, use this. And Damon I

893
01:13:12,800 --> 01:13:19,920
think attached them to every single
battery and every single bag in every

894
01:13:17,360 --> 01:13:24,400
device. And so if they have them or not
because everybody got one that we train

895
01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:29,360
but if they use it they still attack
just look at the card follow the card.

896
01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:32,960
» If they're say out at any time stop and
call us because they're not they don't

897
01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:37,280
they don't know how to do evaluation.
They it's not their job. Right. If

898
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:39,360
somebody's hurt then it's our job.
>> So we just want to take the guess work

899
01:13:38,719 --> 01:13:44,719
out.
>> Yeah.

900
01:13:41,679 --> 01:13:52,199
Great. Thank you so much.
>> Thanks everybody. I appreciate you.

901
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:52,199
» And it's just as easy and dink.

902
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,560
So I'd like

903
01:14:14,400 --> 01:14:18,040
» Thank you very much.

904
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,600
Wow.

905
01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:42,560
As someone who deals with falls at our
own home, that's impressive.

906
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:48,520
» It really is.
>> Yeah.

907
01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:48,520
» Okay. Um

908
01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,880
already

909
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:06,600
» you knew it was going to happen.
[laughter]

910
01:15:02,719 --> 01:15:06,600
» All right. Thank you guys for

911
01:15:08,880 --> 01:15:15,040
» All righty. Uh is there any business
from the members?

912
01:15:13,440 --> 01:15:19,920
I really appreciated your suggestion of
the guest speaker next time as being the

913
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:25,040
the mental health professional. That'd
be great.

914
01:15:22,880 --> 01:15:28,440
» Just let us know. Yeah. Let's see.
That's going to be

915
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:35,840
» April. Uh let me let me gauge that
readiness one of the next meetings.

916
01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:42,480
Yeah. Uh we have some other stuff that
we can demo uh if need be. So,

917
01:15:39,679 --> 01:15:47,120
» can I ask a quick question because it's
on everybody's mind.

918
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:52,640
I don't know what you can tell us about
any

919
01:15:49,360 --> 01:15:59,040
ice activity in opening. I know there's
some, but um

920
01:15:55,920 --> 01:16:03,520
I always worry when
the council just did with the resolution

921
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:08,239
that's just kind of putting a target out
of it like, oh, this is what we're doing

922
01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:11,440
and stuff. And so,
I'm sorry. I'm not sure what you're

923
01:16:09,679 --> 01:16:14,960
asking
back here.

924
01:16:12,560 --> 01:16:19,440
» I'm sorry. About I do you think the
resolution is going to attract federal

925
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:26,000
activity in Albany just because of the
resolution?

926
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:32,800
» It could. Okay. So, let let me let me
back up to January. So when when the

927
01:16:29,360 --> 01:16:38,080
when the um the executive orders came
out uh about the intent of the current

928
01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:41,199
administration to up the immigration
enforcement,

929
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:46,640
» we were already anticipating that we
would probably have a number of issues

930
01:16:43,520 --> 01:16:52,239
pop up because Oregon was a target.
it they've been very clear that they

931
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:57,360
don't like the laws here and even though
our sanctuary province laws were voter

932
01:16:54,719 --> 01:17:02,400
approved decades ago. This is not a
governor's comm.

933
01:16:59,679 --> 01:17:08,880
So the chiefs and sheriff's association
were already working up to okay uh one

934
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:11,120
we're going to be put in the middle law
enforcement put in the middle of this.

935
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:16,719
» Yes.
>> Uh we do not and will not do immigration

936
01:17:14,640 --> 01:17:22,400
enforcement. we're not even empowered,
you don't have in training in it, so on

937
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:26,239
so forth. And so that's been very clear
from the very beginning.

938
01:17:23,920 --> 01:17:30,800
» Um, and then that morphed and we've made
that very clear to the federal

939
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:34,159
authorities. So what that resulted in is
like they're like fine, whatever. We're

940
01:17:32,480 --> 01:17:39,040
going to do our thing. We're not going
to tell you when you're going to do it.

941
01:17:36,080 --> 01:17:44,400
And that's a common problem. Um I'm
aware that there been town multiple

942
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:49,120
times as far as incidents and detainment
throw anywhere uh three or four and

943
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:54,400
normally we find out after the fact.
>> Yes. So one of the things that we do and

944
01:17:52,320 --> 01:18:00,640
and there'll be council presentation
coming up um way back in 2020 I formed a

945
01:17:57,760 --> 01:18:04,239
group called the diversity advisory uh
in alliance team. It's a a team of

946
01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:09,520
committee members and the police
department that work together to open a

947
01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:16,480
communication about issues around public
safety where normal channels of trust

948
01:18:12,719 --> 01:18:26,000
are not there. So, uh, and that has led
to a number of, um, uh, back and forth

949
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:30,960
when issues arise. And so, for instance,
after the first shooting in Minneapolis,

950
01:18:28,719 --> 01:18:35,600
the protest within Albany or rallies
within picked up because we have that

951
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:40,000
trusted relationship, we can lean into
that group and say, "Hey, just tell us

952
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:46,080
what what you're expecting here. How can
we assist you?" uh even in the earlier

953
01:18:43,679 --> 01:18:51,280
uh rallies that were going on on way
really late that allows us an overl

954
01:18:48,880 --> 01:18:56,640
communicator to talk to organizers of
those groups to make sure that

955
01:18:53,120 --> 01:19:02,320
everything's safe and that the rallies
themselves. It's the agitators that will

956
01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:07,360
come and try to disrupt. Um and then
over the last month or so since uh all

957
01:19:05,440 --> 01:19:16,000
the uh [clears throat]
horicult and and the death kicked in

958
01:19:11,280 --> 01:19:20,719
everybody's um stress level worry
um concern is way up. Uh [clears throat]

959
01:19:18,960 --> 01:19:26,800
and so there's multiple things
happening. Obviously people have a riot

960
01:19:24,159 --> 01:19:31,280
and potential building. We're all paying
attention to that. What concerns me as a

961
01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:35,360
police chief, and I've been very open
about this, and I'm also the president

962
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:38,159
of the Oregon Chiefs Association, is the
tactics involved here.

963
01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:43,040
» Exactly.
>> Uh I can say, okay, federal government,

964
01:19:40,960 --> 01:19:50,120
we don't do immigration,
whatever. Don't don't expect us to do

965
01:19:45,679 --> 01:19:50,120
that work with you, but this hackath

966
01:19:51,199 --> 01:19:56,080
even in Albany multiple times where have
been broken, cars have been left on the

967
01:19:54,640 --> 01:20:01,760
side of the road, and we have no idea
what's going on.

968
01:19:57,679 --> 01:20:07,280
Uh we uh we have had an incident that we
have charged the resident of Albany for

969
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:12,080
pulling a gun into two park workers
asking if they're here be or not and we

970
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:19,440
charge them on crime and also that the
bias component for that. So concern is

971
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:25,600
is there for us and so uh even from the
beginning we've had um open discussions

972
01:20:21,840 --> 01:20:31,040
with the hack um the NAACP and other
organizations within the valley here

973
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:35,520
keep lines of communication on the
resolution the council just did think

974
01:20:33,280 --> 01:20:42,560
about from Nancy Freeman who's on the
DAT and she we worked with her on the

975
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:49,840
wording of that resolution um and I have
said, and I would agree, that if you go

976
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:53,760
and poke the bear as a federal
government, they will make an example

977
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:57,920
out of you. That's that's what's
Minnesota's going through. So, what can

978
01:20:55,760 --> 01:21:02,080
we do to try to build trust and on the
line of communication with our

979
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:05,600
communities uh so they can lean into us,
call us, they I get calls from our

980
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:09,760
committee members saying, "Hey, this is
going on. Can you confirm about this?"

981
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:13,280
and I have contacts where I can contact
their federal authorities to get

982
01:21:11,679 --> 01:21:17,120
information from me, but they're not
warning us ahead of time and I don't

983
01:21:15,280 --> 01:21:23,120
expect that to change.
>> So, um, so that yeah, there is some

984
01:21:20,159 --> 01:21:28,640
concern. Um, I think that the resolution
is safe because everybody is voicing

985
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:34,000
their opinion right now. So, there's
collective uh uproar and concern and

986
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:38,000
just stand in for what they're seeing
across the country. So I don't I'm not

987
01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:42,159
so much worried about that, but we are
openly monitoring that is really damaged

988
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:46,239
our relationship with our federal
partners, all of them all and such.

989
01:21:45,679 --> 01:21:52,880
» Sure.
>> Um so uh that's what concerns me and we

990
01:21:50,719 --> 01:21:55,760
get lumped in with federal authorities.
>> And I get lumped in and that's not

991
01:21:54,480 --> 01:22:01,440
necessarily fair.
>> I also push back. I will push back if I

992
01:21:58,639 --> 01:22:07,040
see uh when George Floyd happened, we
were like as upset as everybody else.

993
01:22:03,679 --> 01:22:11,520
But what one does impacts all it does.
>> And so I'm very mindful of that and that

994
01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:16,320
the damage of this is out of the good
work we've done since 2020. Sound like

995
01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:22,159
the communication get
>> Yeah. What do the best that we can? Um

996
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:26,800
I I think we just need to be very
careful and thoughtful about if we do

997
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:32,320
certain things, what is the impact and
the ripple effect of that? So, where can

998
01:22:29,600 --> 01:22:37,600
we continue to build trust with our
local community? What control we have

999
01:22:34,239 --> 01:22:41,920
with locally to help our residents? Uh,
where in fact, I've had business owners,

1000
01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:46,719
Hispanic business owners who know me
would say, I I this employee hasn't

1001
01:22:44,719 --> 01:22:51,280
shown up for work. Can you can you tell
me? And I can find out whether they're

1002
01:22:48,159 --> 01:22:55,199
telling me or not. So, but nobody knows
because nobody's telling me.

1003
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:57,840
» So, that's a very long answer to your
question. and all that. That's

1004
01:22:56,480 --> 01:23:03,840
» I did support the resolution. I work
with Nancy on it. So did Peter. Um uh

1005
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:08,000
and there's a lot of handraing over
that, but I I think we're beyond

1006
01:23:06,159 --> 01:23:11,600
political.
>> That's going to be politically

1007
01:23:09,199 --> 01:23:14,639
acceptable to any side. We've got to say
something.

1008
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:18,880
» It's a shame.
>> It's a shame.

1009
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:24,880
Um, speaking on that topic, I did reach
out last month um, about the vlog

1010
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:29,440
cameras and just had some questions and
>> um, because there were like some

1011
01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:34,560
concerns about data breaches and like
data being breached to the federal

1012
01:23:31,120 --> 01:23:40,320
government um, you know, they ICE was
using that um, for like detainees. And

1013
01:23:37,600 --> 01:23:45,440
so I appreciate the Albany Police
Department's responses on how they

1014
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:50,080
specifically use block and have already
thought about those safeguards and how

1015
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:54,400
they safeguard their data within a
certain amount of time that they keep it

1016
01:23:51,760 --> 01:23:59,440
confidential. And so um I think there
was something recently um where there

1017
01:23:56,719 --> 01:24:04,400
was a response about um having like
frequently asked questions on um open to

1018
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:07,840
the public. So there's that's also
helpful as well. Yeah, we can and we can

1019
01:24:06,800 --> 01:24:11,520
do it. We do that with our full
enforcement. I think we can put that up

1020
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:16,719
as well. And then also direct people
back to our transparency page or flocks

1021
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:20,080
Albony PD transparency page.
>> Really nice that they have that.

1022
01:24:18,159 --> 01:24:24,480
» Yeah. And I there there's a lot of
misinformation out there. Um you know,

1023
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:30,719
obviously there's much there's multiple
LPR companies out there companies. Um

1024
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:36,400
and so we've had a hard conversation
with Flock. They didn't handle the

1025
01:24:33,600 --> 01:24:41,760
initial survey media very well at all
and that it's costed millions of

1026
01:24:38,080 --> 01:24:49,360
dollars. U but one of the things that I
can speak to is the the the guarantee of

1027
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:53,920
walled off data and so any license any
person comes through the one camera that

1028
01:24:51,040 --> 01:24:57,120
we have downtown that is kept within the
state of Oregon with local agencies

1029
01:24:55,600 --> 01:25:02,880
only. It's not shared with the federal
government. Um, and so we and we can see

1030
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:07,440
who's looking at our data. That's the
other thing. We can see who's and you

1031
01:25:05,199 --> 01:25:14,000
have to have a legitimate reasoning the
database. And what we're um trying to do

1032
01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:19,199
on a state level is work with ACLU and
other partners to what does that look

1033
01:25:16,159 --> 01:25:22,480
like moving forward? Um, I will tell you
that the flock cameras themselves have

1034
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:27,360
resulted in the arrest of two murder
suspects.

1035
01:25:24,159 --> 01:25:33,280
Everybody knows Al from uh M's dairy
farm was murderous. Yes. That woman was

1036
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:38,239
caught on FL in San Diego trying to get
to Mexico.

1037
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:41,440
And we weren't even a customer.
>> The current the 2-year-old that I told

1038
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,639
you that we're suspecting might be a
homicide victim.

1039
01:25:42,320 --> 01:25:48,800
» Yes.
>> We caught him in Denver based on block

1040
01:25:44,719 --> 01:25:52,480
camera. If we had the old um the old way
of doing anything, it took us months to

1041
01:25:50,239 --> 01:25:57,679
get there. So just things to think about
there. Um I think there's a lot of mis

1042
01:25:54,800 --> 01:26:03,360
misconceptions. We don't capture throw
images at all. You're more at risk from

1043
01:26:00,960 --> 01:26:06,880
being data mined from this block. I
>> think the face recognition.

1044
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:12,639
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> Because you know Apple storing your

1045
01:26:09,040 --> 01:26:16,040
Apple storing your image and I do have a
contract with

1046
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:21,520
» so
yeah but as far as block is concerned

1047
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:24,400
I'm absolutely I think that's a great
idea. Thank you for reminding me. I was

1048
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:27,040
like,
>> "Yeah,

1049
01:26:24,880 --> 01:26:31,760
» yeah, that's great." So, that was
helpful to get all of that information

1050
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:36,320
» and ask any question anytime. I mean,
we're we're going to be as open as we

1051
01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:40,320
can. The actual sharing of that those
license plate reads with immigration

1052
01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:45,120
authority visas and is a direct
violation of the sanctuary comm's law.

1053
01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:50,080
So, even when we first got them, so we
cannot share that data even before the

1054
01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:54,239
issue came up, it was locked down.
>> Thank you very much. in in the interest

1055
01:26:52,400 --> 01:26:57,679
of sort of a similar subject but not
extending, you know, opening a whole new

1056
01:26:55,920 --> 01:27:01,040
can of worms here. I wonder if maybe
next meeting we could uh discuss a

1057
01:26:59,440 --> 01:27:04,560
little bit about other changes to
federal funding or federal coordination.

1058
01:27:03,440 --> 01:27:09,679
So, I'd be interested to hear how this
bumps into Haida. You mentioned also the

1059
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:13,840
the lack of availability of of Narcan
through federal grants and I DMS

1060
01:27:12,080 --> 01:27:17,280
reimbursement rates are changing through
Medicaid, I'm pretty sure. Uh and so I

1061
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:20,080
think there are a number of things
happen. National Fire Academy closed

1062
01:27:18,719 --> 01:27:24,000
down for a while. like some other stuff
happen. I'd be interested in in a more

1063
01:27:22,639 --> 01:27:28,080
sort of throughgoing discussion because
I think a lot of stuff is federally

1064
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:30,560
funded at the local level but it comes
through a number of different channels.

1065
01:27:29,199 --> 01:27:36,239
We don't really know what that is but
you probably do and your staff does.

1066
01:27:33,840 --> 01:27:42,880
» So for next time maybe I'm asking
>> yeah just on hide it's so far so good.

1067
01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:47,520
We did see a cut, but um one of the
smart things that because we're in the

1068
01:27:44,719 --> 01:27:52,639
Oregon Idaho high it's a that's a
consortium

1069
01:27:48,880 --> 01:27:56,800
» all the leadership um the chair and
board members I'm still on the other

1070
01:27:54,159 --> 01:28:01,679
board for the financial part but the
chair of that executive board come out

1071
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:06,400
of Idaho which is being a little more
friendly about the federal authority.

1072
01:28:04,320 --> 01:28:09,199
So, uh, they're doing the best they can
to do it and I think because of the

1073
01:28:08,000 --> 01:28:12,960
issues with
>> with fentanel splitting in the country,

1074
01:28:11,199 --> 01:28:15,600
I don't think you'll see a cut there.
>> Okay.

1075
01:28:14,239 --> 01:28:17,840
» But yeah, you can hear more about that
next time.

1076
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:21,840
» Absolutely. Yep. I just submitted
testimony today, written testimony for

1077
01:28:19,840 --> 01:28:26,080
House Bill 4156
GBT, which we get almost a billion

1078
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:30,000
dollars a year. That's what it funds our
single road program. So, yeah, I can

1079
01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:32,880
certainly update where that's at.
>> And I'm sure there are others through

1080
01:28:31,120 --> 01:28:36,719
training and what it is. So, yeah.
>> Thank you.

1081
01:28:34,719 --> 01:28:41,440
uh yeah uh I was going to ask I didn't I
saw that there wasn't anything in the

1082
01:28:39,360 --> 01:28:44,719
minutes for December and it hasn't been
brought up today but uh the strategic

1083
01:28:43,440 --> 01:28:47,600
work plan
>> um there hasn't been any mention of that

1084
01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:52,320
since it was created
>> yeah let me let me check back on that

1085
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:58,400
Kayla she's been doing the end of the
year city stuff so yeah she did send us

1086
01:28:55,920 --> 01:29:04,080
something but I don't think it's
>> um I don't think it's like uh polished

1087
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:08,840
she's kind of sound asleep a data on it.
So, we'll check back and figure out

1088
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:08,840
where it's at.

1089
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:17,840
» Is there anything else that anyone needs
to address?

1090
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:25,040
Okay, the next meeting is Wednesday,
April 1st. Oh, we're going to have an

1091
01:29:20,639 --> 01:29:31,040
April meeting. Oh, how fun. At the um at
the police department at 6 o'clock. If I

1092
01:29:28,400 --> 01:29:36,800
don't have the melon person, I'll do a
demo. The other thing too is we'd love

1093
01:29:32,800 --> 01:29:43,600
to show you the the drone program. Um we
had a guy of felon suspects. Uh the

1094
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:48,719
other night um
he ran from the police over on this side

1095
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:53,679
of the river, took all his uh clothes
off except for his underwear and crossed

1096
01:29:50,719 --> 01:29:58,080
the river, swam across, and the drone
was able to track him through the woods

1097
01:29:55,760 --> 01:30:02,239
and and get him into custody. We have
better luck with drones than the goofy

1098
01:29:59,360 --> 01:30:05,440
way of dogs these days. So, so they're
not legal, right? They're not legal,

1099
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:09,440
right?
>> No. No.

1100
01:30:06,719 --> 01:30:14,800
» Where's
the world's leader?

1101
01:30:12,159 --> 01:30:18,719
CGI, which is
>> the all the components are made by China

1102
01:30:16,960 --> 01:30:23,280
and now the feds have told us we can't
use them on any federal projects like

1103
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:28,639
our drug stuff. Our drug teams are
fedally funded.

1104
01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:31,679
» You can't use um drones. It's
>> interesting.

1105
01:30:29,600 --> 01:30:36,320
» Yeah. And I mean we're talking about
hundreds of thousands of dollars uh to

1106
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:39,920
replace those and there's really nothing
on the market that's such

1107
01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:43,600
» just a quick note about April first that
is also passive. So like I don't know

1108
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:46,239
anybody
like

1109
01:30:44,560 --> 01:30:49,239
» anybody has any concerns about it
>> that's

1110
01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:59,120
okay.
>> All right. Well the meeting is ajourned.

1111
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:01,360
» Thank you uh Chris for having me come
in. That was

1112
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:06,639
» Yeah,
>> that was informative.

1113
01:31:04,480 --> 01:31:10,960
» Great program.
>> Well, and Hillary,

1114
01:31:09,280 --> 01:31:15,159
» oh, she's hitting hard.
>> Yeah, she got figured out.

1115
01:31:16,719 --> 01:31:25,159
» I remember first time up. Well, it's
kind of a work in progress.

1116
01:31:31,920 --> 01:31:35,400
» Oh, yeah. Sure.

1117
01:32:01,520 --> 01:32:05,280
» Yes. That is so the