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All to order the Albemarle County Board of Supervisors

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for our September 2nd, 2020 6:01 p.m.

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meeting here in Lane Auditory him with us today.

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We have Supervisor Mike Pruitt of the Scottsville district

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supervisor and Malik of the Whitehall District supervisor

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Fred Missal of the Samuel Miller,

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District Supervisor bill of Histo, courtesy of the Ribbon

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a district supervisor, Sally Duncan of the Jack Jewett

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district, and myself supervisor Nate

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Galloway of the Road District.

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We do have our deputy county executive, Mr. Trevor Henry,

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filling in for Mr. Richardson this afternoon.

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Deputy County executive and Wall will be subbing in this evening

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later on.

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She looks thrilled and i watched I saw that look at You.

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We also have with us our board attorney and Eric our board

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clerk, Ms..

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Claudette borgerson, and our Senior Deputy clerk, Mr. Travis

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Morris, with us I want to thank our Elmore County police

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Department officers who were with us this afternoon.

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Police officer First Class Luke Keyser,

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and Officer Enzo Irizarry.

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So thank you both, gentlemen, for being with us this afternoon

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And now, if you will please rise as your able for the Pledge

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of Allegiance I pledge allegiance

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to the flag of the United states of America

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and to a republic for which it stands One nation under god,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all

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And we're going to now join in a moment of silence.

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And I would just take the chair's prerogative

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to ask people to keep in mind the children at the Waynesboro

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elementary School, there was an incident there.

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This just this morning very traumatic.

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And just have that whole community in your thoughts

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during this moment of silence.

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Thank you All right.

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Thank you everyone.

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On board.

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We have an agenda.

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I do not know of any changes or edits to the agenda.

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Are there any at this time?

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All right.

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Seeing none.

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Is there a motion to adopt the final agenda So moved.

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Second, all right.

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The motion has been made and accepted.

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Without objection, if the clerk will please call the roll.

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Mississippi State currently I miss Mallett.

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Yes, Mr. Missal.

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All right, Mr. Pruitt I miss Duncan.

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Yes Mr. Galloway.

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Yes Thank you.

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Board.

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All right.

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We'll move to item number five, Brief announcements

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by board members.

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Supervisor Malik you're up first today.

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Thank you very much.

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And I am scrambling to try to find the dates for the Ravenna

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solid waste authority is having their fall

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household hazardous waste and all the various components,

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mattresses tires, furniture and appliances

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and if I can find it before we're done,

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I will redo that because it is coming up in September.

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The electronic waste sign up is already full,

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but there is a waiting list.

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So one can get on that if you are interested in still giving

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it a try And I will say that last week i

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was able to attend a cyber conference over at PCC

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and so heartened to hear that the county is already doing

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through the skills of our i.t.

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Department, the top ten things that we should all

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be doing to protect ourselves against attack

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And it really takes a village every employee, everybody being

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careful with all those different two factor authentication, etc.

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Cetera to keep the great effort going

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in protecting against self-inflicted wounds

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is the number one thing we should

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be doing And news about a new partnership

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and work with PCC UVA to build what's called a cyber range.

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There's one in another of community college

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that is having great success.

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And so we're looking forward to hearing more about that.

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And i hope that they will come to the board

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and make a presentation and I will come back later

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if I can find my dates.

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Thank you very much Thank you.

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Supervisor Duncan I have nothing Supervisor Pruitt

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two very quick things to keep on your radar.

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First, really sneaking up on us is the 2026 election.

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Early voting starts on the 18th of September and will be

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at the county offices on Fifth Street.

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And will run through the 31st of October.

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The spookiest day of all, which will be

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the last day of early voting.

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And then, of course, the election.

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The following Tuesday.

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Additional the annual loop de Ville celebrating and raising

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funds for our fabulous trail network that runs around

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the city of Charlottesville through both the city

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and the county will be on the 27th of September.

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This is one of the best opportunities

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to visit and learn about the trail to celebrate it.

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There are support stations all along it.

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So if you've ever thought, boy howdy,

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I'd love to hike or run or bike over 20 miles in a day,

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but I don't know if I have the capacity

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or this is easily the best time to find that capacity

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because there's got to be someone giving you a juice

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every three miles.

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I will be there.

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It's also the best opportunity to get the coolest shirt of all

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the nonprofit shirts around in this area I just got costs.

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You like 30 bucks.

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So get on down.

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That's all I got I have never once thought

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I need to go out, walk, bike or hike for 20 miles.

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Maybe the quarter mile super visor missile.

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Thank you.

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No announcements All right.

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No more commentary from me.

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Supervisor real office?

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No.

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Currently I I ask for For what, we had a C c v v meeting,

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and I will send to the board what

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was said that we have done them and their wish

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list that might have already been sent to the board.

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But i'll be send it just in case where the pen tops

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meeting a good turnout.

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And we had parks and Rec there which

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we were very grateful for because they told us

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about things that are coming up And I

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think one of our big projects is the old Mills Trail.

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So we're we're trying to get that accomplished

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And we do have monies from the state believe it or not.

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It's a miracle.

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So we're very happy about that.

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So hopefully we can get all that completed Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Did you have your.

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I found them.

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You had to make them myself.

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So has household hazardous waste.

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Those are the paints, the pesticides the chemicals

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that you've been lurking around your garage and barn.

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That is September 18 and 19th.

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And the hours are 8:30 to 4 for all the days of furniture

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and mattresses as September 26th,

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appliances October 3rd and tires the dreaded tires, October 10th.

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You don't want those lying around either because the scope

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edge of the tires holds on to rainwater

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and then the mosquitoes love it.

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And then you're in big trouble.

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So get rid of all that stuff.

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This fall.

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Thank you very much.

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All right Thank you.

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I do not have any announcements today

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that will move us to proclaim ations and recognitions.

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Item number Six, we do have a proclamation recognizing

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September as national suicide Prevention Awareness Month

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we have with us today Mike Fox of The Verge.

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He is the Virginia Chapter leader

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of Moms Demand action for Gun Sense in America

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and vice chair missile is going to read this proclamation

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as a motion Great.

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Thank you.

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I'm honored to read this.

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Happy to read this proclamation and recognize is in September is

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National suicide prevention awareness Month,

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whereas every year, 27,000 people in the United States die

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by firearm suicide an average of 718 people in Virginia die

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by firearm suicide.

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Nearly six out of every ten gun deaths in the U.S.

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are suicide aids.

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And during the last two decades, youth suicide

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has reached its highest rate.

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Whereas, Albemarle County joins in observing national suicide

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prevention Awareness Month by raising awareness

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to foster a culture of understanding and empathy

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and encourage community members to become better educated

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on the signs of suicide.

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Risk factors Elevate local suicide prevention resources

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and destigmatize conversations around mental health.

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Whereas As the 988 or sorry, 9, 8, eight suicide and crisis

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lifeline, the trevor Project and local providers

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play a helpful role in suicide prevention and mental health

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support by offering immediate confidential assistance 24 seven

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to people in suicide or crisis or emotional distress.

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Whereas, Albemarle County has played an important role

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in suicide prevention by local advocates lawmakers

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and University of Virginia law students

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successfully fished but pushing for substantial risk order

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reforms The success of the Human Services Alternative

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response Team, or Heart and the school board

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secure for firearm storage resolution

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serving as a model for other localities And.

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Whereas, There are many low gate organizations,

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many local organizations, including moms demand Action

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for Gun Sense in America Students Demand action The

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American Foundation for Suicide prevention,

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the PLM Legacy Foundation, Regent ten

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and the National Alliance on Mental Illness dedicated

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to saving lives and bringing hope through research, education

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policies, advocacy and resources for those who have lost someone

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to suicide, who struggle with suicidal ideation

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or have otherwise been affected by suicide.

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Now, therefore be it proclaimed that we the Albemarle

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County Board of Supervisors, do hereby

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recognize suicide as a public health problem and designate.

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September 20th 26 as national suicide Prevention Awareness

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Month Signed the second day of September 20, 26.

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Chair Ned Galloway Second, all right.

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The motion has been made and seconded without objection,

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if the clerk will please call the roll missile piece.

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So currently I miss Malik.

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Yes, Mr. Missile I. Mr. Pruitt.

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Yes, Mr. Galloway Yes.

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Thank you.

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Board Mr. Fox, we'd like to invite you up to the podium.

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You're welcome to make some remarks.

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And then the supervisors will probably make some remarks

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and then we'll bring the proclamation down.

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Thank you.

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You, Mr. Chairman.

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Supervisor.

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Mr. Alan all of you, for your support

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and recognizing that suicide prevention is

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part of creating safer and healthier communities

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Suicide is preventable Suicide is preventable.

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The vast majority of people who survive a suicide attempt do not

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go on to die by suicide Keeping people safe

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means taking seriously the moments when someone

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is in crisis and doing what we can

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to put time and distance between that crisis and lethal means.

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This includes our kids suicide is the second leading

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cause of death among young people ages 10 to 24.

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In the United States, suicide among pre-teens, pre-teens

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has risen sharply over the past two decades.

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Whether it's passing new laws in Richmond

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or investing in community based solutions here at home.

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Every act of kindness and every connection can make a difference

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and save a life Thank you again for your commitment

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and reaffirming that our community can

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be a place where people know they are seeing valued

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and not alone Thank you, sir.

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We'll see.

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Go through the supervisor, see what comments we have.

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Supervisor Malik.

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Well, I just want to, again, thank my constituents

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in those from the other rest of the county for all the work

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that you do behind the scenes to build those bridges that you

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just been describing, because the sense of hopelessness

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that people feel because they don't think there's

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anyone else out there who might understand really

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makes it worse.

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And access to the guns makes it.

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Final So I thank you again.

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Thank you, ma'am.

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Supervisor Duncan I just want to thank you for the work on this.

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It's you know, obviously very important.

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So thank you for bringing this to us.

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And also for us to do.

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Thank you.

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Supervisor Pruitt thank you so much for your advocacy

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on this issue.

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It's something that I feel touches

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me very directly as someone who is both a gun owner

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and struggles with depression as someone who has served

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on a ship where everyone carried firearms, sometimes

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in the course of their duty, and we also had processes

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because in the sector of the Navy,

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I worked in suicidal ideation was quite common We had

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processes where you could just walk

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into your commanding officers office and say Hey, sir,

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I have reason to be concerned about Ensign Schmuck Catelli

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wanting to do self harm.

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I would ask that you temporarily suspend this gun

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qualification of the army.

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And it happens And that was done.

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And it's a fairly standard process.

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I think it's safe Really simple.

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Modeling of how we can use policy

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to make it so that we can keep our communities

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safe without harming people's rights.

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And I'm really grateful for the kind of advocacy

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that you have led with moms that has made tools

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like this available here in Virginia Thank you, sir.

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Supervisor Missile.

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Yeah, I just echo the thanks and acknowledge the importance

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of this work I've had three cloves friends

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and colleagues in the last ten years

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who have directly experienced suicide of a family member

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And it's just you know, the lasting impact

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the lasting, I don't know, just pain that it brings

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is just mind blowing.

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It's just horrible.

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So critically important.

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And thank you for the work you're doing.

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Thank you sir.

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Supervisor of pistol.

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Currently Please continue to do your good work and your efforts

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because when someone commits suicide,

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that leaves friends and family members wondering why they never

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get that answer.

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Really?

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Why did that happen?

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So anything we can do to help mitigate that and help

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other people.

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But i do have one question for you.

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You mentioned pre-teens, which really disturbs me

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And is that it's been a direct link between that and maybe

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social media.

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Do you know based on what I read,

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it's like during the pandemic and all the levels of temper

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and off a little bit, they are still

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climbing some I think that that could be a contributor

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contributor based on what I've heard from some of our community

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partners and experts in the field

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that people might see that as they either

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gained so much stress from it and bullying

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and that sort of thing.

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Cyber bullying and all that, that that's the reaction to it.

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So it.

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It's possible Thank you.

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You.

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And thank you for what you do.

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Sure Thank you.

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Yes.

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Thank you, Mr. Fox and I join in,

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endorse everything that other supervisors have said.

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Appreciate it.

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Occurs to me, like I teach a course, on Tuesday

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nights and college level and it's really just a

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how do you go through class?

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And one of the things.

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It's like, don't wait till you're either in failure

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mode or crisis mode.

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Ask you got to ask early And this is just stuff

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about maybe being behind on schoolwork or things like that.

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But as you're talking, it's the same thing.

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It's not just it's easier to ask when

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you start to have the confusion or the struggle about things

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than it is when you're in a failure mode or crisis mode

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So I appreciate all the efforts you organizations do

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to help encourage that.

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But it's not just put on the individual who's

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feeling confused It's also contingent on the rest of us

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that if we're seeing somebody having a struggle

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or confusion to reach out and go, Hey are you okay?

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And what's going on?

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Before they get to failure and crisis mode?

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Because it's just more difficult to act rationally when you're

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in crisis mode for everybody.

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Yeah.

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So just kudos to all the education

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you're putting out there around the issue,

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but also reminding everybody that, hey

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ask because there is help out there and check in

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on people because we can also provide that help to folks.

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So thank you So thank you.

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The vice chair will bring the proclamation down for you

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This is thank you again OK Board We're

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going to go to item seven public comment

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on matters previously considered or currently pending

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before the board.

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Other than scheduled for public hearings.

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Looks like we have some folks signed up.

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So vice chair missile will take us through the procedures

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and then lead us through our speakers.

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Happy to.

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Looks like we have no one on line today

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so I will read the in person only during this portion

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of the meeting.

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Individual is may address the board regarding matters

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previously considered by the Board

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are currently pending before the Board

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other than an item scheduled for public hearing,

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speakers are limited to one opportunity

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of up to three minutes to ensure equal treatment and courtesy

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for all speakers.

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The board requests that the following guidelines be observed

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Please state your name.

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And if you live in Albemarle County or magisterial district

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comments should be directed to the board

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as a whole Written statements or supporting materials

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may be provided to the clerk if representing a group

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or organization you may ask others present to raise

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their hands and recognize the speakers

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may not share unused time with another speaker Back and forth

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debate is not permitted.

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And speakers should not speak from their seat

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or out of turn the podium timer will guide your time green.

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Indicate your time has begun.

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Yellow means one minute remains and to read

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indicate your time has expired.

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All comments are recorded live streamed

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and published on the county website.

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The sign up period is closed once public comment begins

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the podium is adjustable.

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Speakers may raise or lower to they're

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able to speak directly into the microphone We

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will begin with Mr. Rick Randolph

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Good afternoon, Members of the board.

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Kirk Randolph, who reside at 3191 Derby Road,

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Keswick is both discussed for supervisor and Planning

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commissioner I continually advocated

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for public accountability by Habitat regarding

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both held county supported Two funds are utilized

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and held Predevelopment South ward residents are affected

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by this unique large redevelopment project

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this afternoon you have before you a performance

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agreement for phase two of the Southwood neighborhood

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Model District Three of you have seen

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a mostly similar code of development

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before when it was on the 12, 1521 board concerning agenda.

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The rest of you i recognize, may not

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have this room to bring to the attention of those three of you

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who probably have not that the original progression

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of the redevelopment and phase two was to begin in block 18

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and then proceed in the clockwise direction

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sweeping the land to turn east to 17, 22 26 and 25,

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and then end in block 34 a drive through south yesterday showed

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that many of those blocks are being worked on simultaneously

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where one wonders are the resulting displaced residents

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being housed County staff has indicated that 81 original

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families were rehoused by June 26th of this year If we used

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to accept this statistical average of five persons per

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family that would yield some 405 persons for 105 persons only

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represents 31% of South Woods original 1300 residents,

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where those other residents today,

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because they can't all be in.

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Southwick Those anybody want to know where they are ?

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Does anybody really care?

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Those are all the morals public deserve to know.

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The request today is for the county

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to commit to providing habitat with 15.75 million

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and to funds as real estate turns over in South Portland

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as market appreciation occurs.

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So the market value of homes there has a board same

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projection of the amount of the capture property tax revenue

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that will accumulate in a county account and is then available

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to be pulled back into southward to help pay for public

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improvements Site cleanup utilities and roads, etc..

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So if the public deserve to see this projection

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and how about a conservative projection

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of when those property taxes will be directed solely

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to the county's budget and will no longer be reserved?

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Excuse of Lee for Southwick And finally, by what percentage

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are the counties revenues projected

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to increase as a result of the capture of those now

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roads reserve funds?

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I submit the board and taxpayers deserve

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to have this information Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Pam Reilly good afternoon to providers.

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I'm Pam Reilly and i live at 1375 Mill

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Drive in the Scottsville magisterial district.

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I served on the Scottsville planning commission

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during the Phase one review and approval,

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and I care deeply about southwards redevelopment in part

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because my career was in nonprofit affordable housing

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and community reinvestment.

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And you all know phase one was approved

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by the county in the June 2019 and a cornerstone

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of that approval was a commitment of no displacement

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of the residents living in South Would

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because some of the Planning commission,

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the board of Supervisors, had grave concerns

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about potential displacement of residents.

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The Board of Supervisors required habitat

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to develop a non displacement plan

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and to report on any relocation or displacement of the residents

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as did the Board of Supervisors.

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Receive written reports on resident relocation

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and displacement during the past seven years.

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Have you all been given written information

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about where the legacy residents are today

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as part of your review for the funding for Phase two?

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If not I would urge you to review this information

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before committing an additional almost 16 million in Phase two.

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I've been trying to obtain this information personally

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since last February when I requested the land displacement

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data from Dr. Pathy and after several followups

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on my part and no response, by July,

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I fortuitously ran into county executive Jeff Richardson

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and I asked him to please investigate this matter.

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He got right on it.

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And Ms..

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The chief human resources officer

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contacted me and she sent me copies

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of habitats that were provided to them in terms of the draw

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downs for phase one.

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And that contained information about the number

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of affordable units developed, the number of units

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purchased or rented by Southwood families.

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But there's no information regarding the families that

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may have been otherwise relocated or displaced

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other than the comments that maybe some families

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chose to leave on their own accord

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It's quite possible that the county does not

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have this information and that the non displacement data

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or reports were never submitted.

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Habitat did provide the non displacement plan to the county

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and to the state as part of the requirement for state funding.

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They have.

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We housing specialist with and they

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works with all the residents and the habitat staff

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is responsible for maintaining secure records

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for all households and the uniform relocation Act

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assessment forms that they submitted to the state.

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They describe their relocation record

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keeping to keep copies of relocation advisory notes

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offers a relocation assistance claims of once appeals, etc.

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So this data should be available to the county

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and to the public the taxpayers of the county

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deserve to know what happened to the original residents

529
00:33:13,637 --> 00:33:17,837
of Southwood Please obtain this information and review it.

530
00:33:17,837 --> 00:33:20,570
Thank you for listening to my concerns today.

531
00:33:20,570 --> 00:33:21,707
Thank you Thank you.

532
00:33:21,707 --> 00:33:27,707
And last on our list is Peter Kraus Good afternoon.

533
00:33:35,270 --> 00:33:38,207
I'm Peter Krebs from the Piedmont Environmental council

534
00:33:38,207 --> 00:33:41,567
and I'm also on the board of the County Parks Foundation

535
00:33:41,567 --> 00:33:43,907
The administrator follows Thrive in a river

536
00:33:43,907 --> 00:33:47,597
from the tail park along the edge of town tops

537
00:33:47,597 --> 00:33:50,537
to where it ends currently near the hospital.

538
00:33:50,537 --> 00:33:53,447
It's a beautiful place to walk, bike or run,

539
00:33:53,447 --> 00:33:57,497
and it's easily accessible to thousands of people.

540
00:33:57,497 --> 00:34:00,827
They've been long standing plans to extend this trail for miles

541
00:34:00,827 --> 00:34:02,777
further into the county.

542
00:34:02,777 --> 00:34:05,539
Connecting with an existing trail in Glenmore

543
00:34:05,539 --> 00:34:09,107
to create an unbroken ten eight mile greenway

544
00:34:09,107 --> 00:34:13,577
This will be stunning and it'll be really unrivaled anywhere

545
00:34:13,577 --> 00:34:19,547
in the state It's so exciting Much of the land in between

546
00:34:19,547 --> 00:34:21,647
is owned by and Trello, but the county

547
00:34:21,647 --> 00:34:24,137
has the right of way easement to make

548
00:34:24,137 --> 00:34:27,137
the trail during the rezoning.

549
00:34:27,827 --> 00:34:31,852
There is a timeline limit placed on that easement and work has

550
00:34:31,852 --> 00:34:37,252
to begin by 2027, which is right around the corner.

551
00:34:37,697 --> 00:34:40,547
I'm excited to say that it looks like the county is going

552
00:34:40,547 --> 00:34:45,677
to meet that deadline and start work next year There's

553
00:34:45,677 --> 00:34:47,897
a small reference in today's consent

554
00:34:47,897 --> 00:34:51,227
agenda about a grant from DCR to pay for this expense

555
00:34:51,227 --> 00:34:55,187
And although we don't know yet whether the county will receive

556
00:34:55,187 --> 00:34:56,387
the grant.

557
00:34:56,387 --> 00:35:01,757
All indications are very good and whether or not

558
00:35:01,757 --> 00:35:04,307
we get the grant The county staff has

559
00:35:04,307 --> 00:35:08,270
been very creative in identifying funding sources,

560
00:35:08,270 --> 00:35:10,697
including major pledges from the parks

561
00:35:10,697 --> 00:35:14,507
Foundation and many other groups and organizations.

562
00:35:14,507 --> 00:35:16,907
Also to their credit, they've found solutions

563
00:35:16,907 --> 00:35:18,857
to some of the problems that have really

564
00:35:18,857 --> 00:35:20,448
vexed a whole generation.

565
00:35:20,448 --> 00:35:23,477
Write the planners such as How do we get past the railroad?

566
00:35:23,477 --> 00:35:25,607
How do we get permission from the Udot?

567
00:35:25,607 --> 00:35:28,547
All of those plausible answers and it

568
00:35:28,547 --> 00:35:32,747
looks very promising i invite the community

569
00:35:37,157 --> 00:35:39,887
to come see what is possible.

570
00:35:39,887 --> 00:35:43,757
The Parks Foundation and P.S. Are co-hosting a kickoff party

571
00:35:43,757 --> 00:35:47,957
for the old Mills Trail as part of the In Basin Conference

572
00:35:47,957 --> 00:35:49,957
on September 30.

573
00:35:50,261 --> 00:35:52,670
So it's after the conference.

574
00:35:52,670 --> 00:35:53,597
It will be from 4 to 7.

575
00:35:53,597 --> 00:35:55,847
It's free, open to the public I've

576
00:35:55,847 --> 00:35:58,277
spoken to a couple of our new residents.

577
00:35:58,277 --> 00:36:01,487
They're super excited So they're actually hosting the party

578
00:36:01,487 --> 00:36:03,677
at their clubhouse, which is across the street

579
00:36:03,677 --> 00:36:05,477
from the hospital.

580
00:36:05,477 --> 00:36:08,570
So if we get the grant it'll be a great kickstart,

581
00:36:08,570 --> 00:36:11,687
but it won't be the end of the project quite the contrary.

582
00:36:11,687 --> 00:36:14,447
So if you're thinking about upcoming coming budget,

583
00:36:14,447 --> 00:36:17,777
please include monies for a greenway like the old Mills

584
00:36:17,777 --> 00:36:21,497
Trail, which contribute to quality of life for residents

585
00:36:21,497 --> 00:36:25,757
and also to the county's billion dollar business economy.

586
00:36:25,757 --> 00:36:26,541
So excited.

587
00:36:26,541 --> 00:36:29,570
And I look forward to seeing you on the 30th,

588
00:36:29,570 --> 00:36:31,850
if not sooner Thank you.

589
00:36:31,850 --> 00:36:32,728
I have flyers.

590
00:36:32,728 --> 00:36:34,370
I'll leave with this one.

591
00:36:34,370 --> 00:36:34,757
Appreciate it.

592
00:36:34,757 --> 00:36:35,537
Thank you.

593
00:36:35,537 --> 00:36:38,237
And we do have one speaker who has joined us online,

594
00:36:38,237 --> 00:36:45,437
and that is Pat sale in Houston Is Houston, are you there ?

595
00:36:54,137 --> 00:36:58,337
Come on back I don't think so.

596
00:36:59,121 --> 00:37:03,321
There you may begin smoking Good afternoon.

597
00:37:07,410 --> 00:37:09,441
Are you there now?

598
00:37:16,322 --> 00:37:17,177
All right.

599
00:37:17,177 --> 00:37:17,987
Last call.

600
00:37:17,987 --> 00:37:20,927
This is why I cannot go of this.

601
00:37:20,927 --> 00:37:21,800
All right.

602
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:23,478
We got change Good afternoon.

603
00:37:23,478 --> 00:37:25,670
Are you there?

604
00:37:25,670 --> 00:37:25,877
I hope so.

605
00:37:25,877 --> 00:37:27,251
There you are Good afternoon.

606
00:37:27,251 --> 00:37:27,831
You can.

607
00:37:27,831 --> 00:37:29,907
You can begin when you're ready.

608
00:37:29,907 --> 00:37:30,407
Yeah.

609
00:37:30,407 --> 00:37:32,267
Thank you very much.

610
00:37:32,267 --> 00:37:34,854
There was a delay in that permission coming through.

611
00:37:34,854 --> 00:37:35,687
Thank you very much.

612
00:37:35,687 --> 00:37:38,627
And it was very interesting to hear the previous speaker

613
00:37:38,627 --> 00:37:42,317
about being able to use trails and have more development

614
00:37:42,317 --> 00:37:44,570
of the trail out there.

615
00:37:44,570 --> 00:37:45,557
My name is Pat in Houston.

616
00:37:45,557 --> 00:37:47,597
I live on Sugar Ridge road.

617
00:37:47,597 --> 00:37:50,870
And until recently, our understanding

618
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:54,677
is that we were on a no paved list We've just

619
00:37:54,677 --> 00:37:58,277
heard there is some looking at you know, promoting

620
00:37:58,277 --> 00:38:00,947
the rural qualities of Albemarle County

621
00:38:00,947 --> 00:38:03,470
by preserving some of the key rural

622
00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:06,917
and paved roads maybe dispersed throughout the region.

623
00:38:06,917 --> 00:38:10,670
We aren't somewhere that we can really have trails

624
00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:13,700
except for going up into hiking areas

625
00:38:13,700 --> 00:38:14,987
But it is a very special region that we're

626
00:38:14,987 --> 00:38:19,607
at that people come to for a walking rain bike

627
00:38:19,607 --> 00:38:24,557
and and it really is a neighborhood of walkers.

628
00:38:24,557 --> 00:38:27,676
It's like a little community We live on this dirt road.

629
00:38:27,676 --> 00:38:29,586
And our farmhouse is so close to the road.

630
00:38:29,586 --> 00:38:32,777
We could almost shake hands with somebody walking by.

631
00:38:32,777 --> 00:38:35,567
When we came to love the nature and the surroundings.

632
00:38:35,567 --> 00:38:38,447
But we got to know it's a very mixed bag of experiences.

633
00:38:38,447 --> 00:38:40,427
And there are many downsides.

634
00:38:40,427 --> 00:38:43,971
And I acknowledge that on the list of which is not

635
00:38:43,971 --> 00:38:47,957
to promise when it's icy or all the credible dust

636
00:38:47,957 --> 00:38:50,927
we can get into our home, even though there

637
00:38:50,927 --> 00:38:55,157
is that we are in a section that we have observed how people

638
00:38:55,157 --> 00:38:58,700
really try and speed coming down the hill from the direction

639
00:38:58,700 --> 00:38:59,477
of sugar hollow.

640
00:38:59,477 --> 00:39:03,977
And I think there is a high risk for losing this ability

641
00:39:03,977 --> 00:39:06,977
to have as a walking and bicycling

642
00:39:06,977 --> 00:39:12,647
and running area should be paved even if there's signs posted.

643
00:39:12,647 --> 00:39:16,937
I'm even somebody who can be guilty of going

644
00:39:16,937 --> 00:39:20,777
faster than opposed to areas, especially if i'm

645
00:39:20,777 --> 00:39:22,970
thinking my needs to hurry.

646
00:39:22,970 --> 00:39:25,487
Are outweighing the speed limit So I do confess

647
00:39:25,487 --> 00:39:28,937
that it's a natural thing that people do.

648
00:39:28,937 --> 00:39:33,677
I think that having people speed down at 50 and 55 miles an hour,

649
00:39:33,677 --> 00:39:40,277
if they're not slowed by the gravel and dust and dirt

650
00:39:41,627 --> 00:39:44,953
is going to greatly change an impact and the ability

651
00:39:44,953 --> 00:39:48,295
for people to have this as an area,

652
00:39:48,295 --> 00:39:53,270
not just where people live here, but people come and train here.

653
00:39:53,270 --> 00:39:56,837
There are runners groups that come in, small groups and also

654
00:39:56,837 --> 00:39:57,527
large groups.

655
00:39:57,527 --> 00:40:00,797
We also still occasionally have horses

656
00:40:00,797 --> 00:40:03,197
that come along this road.

657
00:40:03,197 --> 00:40:04,908
I would doubt that would convenient

658
00:40:04,908 --> 00:40:08,957
be continued From what I've seen, the narrow country

659
00:40:08,957 --> 00:40:13,457
roads that have become paved the that the edges of them

660
00:40:13,457 --> 00:40:16,919
are hard to even find a place to walk on

661
00:40:16,919 --> 00:40:21,467
And as far as being safer during ice storms,

662
00:40:21,467 --> 00:40:24,167
my scariest moments on the road have been when somebody is

663
00:40:24,167 --> 00:40:27,257
coming down toward my road toward my car

664
00:40:27,257 --> 00:40:29,807
from the opposite direction, and they're losing control

665
00:40:29,807 --> 00:40:31,577
from excess speed.

666
00:40:31,577 --> 00:40:36,707
I don't think paving is going to be a great and addition

667
00:40:36,707 --> 00:40:39,707
to traveling with Ice storms.

668
00:40:39,857 --> 00:40:42,470
There are so many trees that come down Ma'am,

669
00:40:42,470 --> 00:40:43,217
your time has expired.

670
00:40:43,217 --> 00:40:44,985
If you were good clue.

671
00:40:44,985 --> 00:40:46,662
Thank you so much.

672
00:40:46,662 --> 00:40:48,657
That concludes our list.

673
00:40:48,657 --> 00:40:49,157
All right.

674
00:40:49,157 --> 00:40:53,117
Thank you to those who came out to provide public comment today.

675
00:40:53,117 --> 00:40:55,667
Board We will move to item number eight.

676
00:40:55,667 --> 00:40:57,137
Our concern at agenda.

677
00:40:57,137 --> 00:41:00,677
Any items that need to be pulled from consent.

678
00:41:00,677 --> 00:41:03,437
Is there a motion to adopt the consent agenda?

679
00:41:03,437 --> 00:41:04,445
So moved.

680
00:41:04,445 --> 00:41:05,670
Second.

681
00:41:05,670 --> 00:41:05,567
All right.

682
00:41:05,567 --> 00:41:07,900
The motion has been made and seconded Without objection,

683
00:41:07,900 --> 00:41:10,427
if the clerk will please call the roll missile piece.

684
00:41:10,427 --> 00:41:11,907
Currently Hi, Ms..

685
00:41:11,907 --> 00:41:12,407
Mallett.

686
00:41:12,407 --> 00:41:13,727
Yes Mr. Missal.

687
00:41:13,727 --> 00:41:15,107
Hi, Mr. Prewitt.

688
00:41:15,107 --> 00:41:15,837
Hi, Ms..

689
00:41:15,837 --> 00:41:16,337
Duncan.

690
00:41:16,337 --> 00:41:17,927
Yes, Mr. Galloway.

691
00:41:17,927 --> 00:41:18,717
Yes.

692
00:41:18,717 --> 00:41:19,217
All right.

693
00:41:19,217 --> 00:41:22,970
Thank you for that motion passes.

694
00:41:22,970 --> 00:41:25,637
And we will now move to item number nine.

695
00:41:25,637 --> 00:41:28,187
This is an action item Habitat for Humanity,

696
00:41:28,187 --> 00:41:31,527
Southwest phase two performance agreement to Mr. Sumner.

697
00:41:31,527 --> 00:41:32,270
Ms..

698
00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:32,995
Demick joining us.

699
00:41:32,995 --> 00:41:34,995
Good afternoon Good.

700
00:41:35,537 --> 00:41:39,737
Good afternoon Pull up the presentation Go.

701
00:41:52,967 --> 00:41:55,367
Excellent Good afternoon, Chair.

702
00:41:57,107 --> 00:41:58,878
Galloway and members of the board.

703
00:41:58,878 --> 00:42:01,250
Kathy Dimock, Chief humans services Officer.

704
00:42:01,250 --> 00:42:03,917
And I'm here with my very competent colleague,

705
00:42:03,917 --> 00:42:07,367
Jacob sumner, your chief financial Officer,

706
00:42:07,367 --> 00:42:09,437
to seek permission for the county executive

707
00:42:09,437 --> 00:42:12,170
to enter into a performance agreement with Habitat

708
00:42:12,170 --> 00:42:14,597
for Humanity of Greater Charlottesville for phase

709
00:42:14,597 --> 00:42:17,207
Two of the Southwood neighborhood Redevelopment

710
00:42:17,207 --> 00:42:18,647
Project.

711
00:42:18,647 --> 00:42:22,547
Also here in the audience is Dan rosensweig, president and CEO

712
00:42:22,547 --> 00:42:25,120
of habitat for Humanity of Greater Charlottesville in case

713
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:29,387
there are questions, Mr. Sumner and I are unable to answer we

714
00:42:29,387 --> 00:42:32,507
understand the board's interest and in incentivizing

715
00:42:32,507 --> 00:42:34,337
the development of affordable housing

716
00:42:34,337 --> 00:42:38,477
and ensuring accountability for the use of public funds in such

717
00:42:38,477 --> 00:42:39,707
a pursuit.

718
00:42:39,707 --> 00:42:42,770
We are confident that the components of the performance

719
00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:44,237
agreement serve both of these interests

720
00:42:44,237 --> 00:42:48,437
as well We will review the project

721
00:42:49,607 --> 00:42:52,787
history of previous agreements, detail the conditions,

722
00:42:52,787 --> 00:42:55,487
restrictions and expectations and a performance

723
00:42:55,487 --> 00:42:57,587
agreement for Phase two.

724
00:42:57,587 --> 00:42:59,927
Provide time for questions or feedback

725
00:42:59,927 --> 00:43:02,570
and ask that you consider the resolution that

726
00:43:02,570 --> 00:43:05,270
was attachment to and your executive summary agenda

727
00:43:05,270 --> 00:43:11,627
materials for this item As you are aware, habitat for Humanity

728
00:43:11,987 --> 00:43:14,417
purchased the Hundreds acre Southwood neighborhood

729
00:43:14,417 --> 00:43:18,917
property in 2007 in an effort to prevent a mass tenant

730
00:43:18,917 --> 00:43:23,717
displacement Habitat organized a resident led initiative to build

731
00:43:23,717 --> 00:43:26,537
plans for an inclusive, mixed income development

732
00:43:26,537 --> 00:43:29,477
with a range of housing types and neighborhood

733
00:43:29,477 --> 00:43:32,357
amenities including community gathering places.

734
00:43:32,357 --> 00:43:36,617
Supports for small business operations, parks and playing

735
00:43:36,617 --> 00:43:41,417
fields Albemarle County and the Economic Development Authority

736
00:43:42,287 --> 00:43:43,997
entered into a performance agreement

737
00:43:43,997 --> 00:43:47,300
with Habitat for humanity to redevelop the village's one

738
00:43:47,300 --> 00:43:49,686
and two as part of phase one.

739
00:43:49,686 --> 00:43:53,886
On July First, 2019, Habitat has moved on.

740
00:43:55,397 --> 00:43:58,727
Phase two, which is now in development and constitutes

741
00:43:58,727 --> 00:44:02,927
villages three through 11 and completes the project.

742
00:44:03,827 --> 00:44:06,709
This is a complex and complicated development process,

743
00:44:06,709 --> 00:44:09,167
particularly because of the neighborhood residents remained

744
00:44:09,167 --> 00:44:14,567
in the park throughout the development process Phase two,

745
00:44:15,407 --> 00:44:19,247
including the redevelopment of 86 acres with a thousand

746
00:44:19,247 --> 00:44:23,270
dwelling units, includes single fan blades attached and detached

747
00:44:23,270 --> 00:44:27,407
homes and multifamily housing The redevelopment proposal was

748
00:44:27,407 --> 00:44:31,330
reviewed by the Planning Commission on April 26th, 2022,

749
00:44:31,330 --> 00:44:35,233
and approved by the board on November 2 2022.

750
00:44:36,527 --> 00:44:39,347
Mr. Sumner will now review the framework of the performance

751
00:44:39,347 --> 00:44:42,677
agreement, including conditions, obligations and compliance

752
00:44:42,677 --> 00:44:45,770
expectations Thank you, Kathy.

753
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:47,807
Good afternoon.

754
00:44:47,807 --> 00:44:48,857
My name is Jacob Sumner.

755
00:44:48,857 --> 00:44:52,600
I'm Chief Financial Officer for the county estate commission.

756
00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:53,477
We are here today asking the board

757
00:44:53,477 --> 00:44:55,847
to allow staff to draft and develop and execute

758
00:44:55,847 --> 00:44:57,210
a performance agreement.

759
00:44:57,210 --> 00:45:00,800
But Habitat that supports phase two of the Southwood development

760
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,467
The maximum amount of financial incentives attached to the forms

761
00:45:03,467 --> 00:45:07,667
Agreement is $15.75 million, spread out over 20 years.

762
00:45:09,370 --> 00:45:10,787
The funding for the incentive will

763
00:45:10,787 --> 00:45:13,397
be derived from the incremental increase in the real estate

764
00:45:13,397 --> 00:45:18,227
property tax generated from phase two of the project.

765
00:45:18,227 --> 00:45:20,297
As this agreement is performance based,

766
00:45:20,297 --> 00:45:22,227
there are several conditions and obligations

767
00:45:22,227 --> 00:45:24,167
will look for habitat to meet.

768
00:45:24,167 --> 00:45:27,287
This would include that at minimum habitat excuse

769
00:45:27,287 --> 00:45:30,707
me, would construct at least 227 affordable units

770
00:45:30,707 --> 00:45:32,132
at or below 80%.

771
00:45:32,132 --> 00:45:33,540
AMI.

772
00:45:33,540 --> 00:45:35,207
This would also require non displacement

773
00:45:35,207 --> 00:45:38,270
of original Southwood residents In addition,

774
00:45:38,270 --> 00:45:39,617
we would require a 40 year period

775
00:45:39,617 --> 00:45:41,927
of affordability for home ownership units

776
00:45:41,927 --> 00:45:45,647
and a 30 year period of affordability for rental units.

777
00:45:45,647 --> 00:45:47,177
Habitat would need to provided plan

778
00:45:47,177 --> 00:45:49,577
insuring income diversity and community integration

779
00:45:49,577 --> 00:45:50,687
within their development.

780
00:45:50,687 --> 00:45:53,717
Along the way, Habitat has shown an interest

781
00:45:53,717 --> 00:45:55,757
in developing community center within phase two

782
00:45:55,757 --> 00:45:57,564
and could be contingent upon access

783
00:45:57,564 --> 00:45:59,964
to outside funding availability.

784
00:46:00,497 --> 00:46:01,247
As required.

785
00:46:01,247 --> 00:46:02,987
As required in the development habitat

786
00:46:02,987 --> 00:46:05,195
will be responsible for owning all the infrastructure

787
00:46:05,195 --> 00:46:09,977
necessary to complete the project From a compliance

788
00:46:09,977 --> 00:46:11,537
perspective, we would require habitat

789
00:46:11,537 --> 00:46:13,967
to provide bi annual reports on the development, including

790
00:46:13,967 --> 00:46:15,587
their construction progress.

791
00:46:15,587 --> 00:46:18,467
Any barriers or delays that they're experiencing and metrics

792
00:46:18,467 --> 00:46:21,627
on the number of units developed rented or sold.

793
00:46:21,627 --> 00:46:23,627
There would also need to remain in good standing

794
00:46:23,627 --> 00:46:24,767
with the state and the county.

795
00:46:24,767 --> 00:46:26,297
Regarding project activities related

796
00:46:26,297 --> 00:46:30,197
to permitting zoning and building code regulations

797
00:46:30,197 --> 00:46:33,797
and be current on any applicable taxes or fees.

798
00:46:33,797 --> 00:46:36,268
The financial incentive will be paid out twice a year,

799
00:46:36,268 --> 00:46:39,732
45 days after the real estate tax due date.

800
00:46:39,732 --> 00:46:41,357
The deadline for the required reporting

801
00:46:41,357 --> 00:46:43,637
would be before the tax due date to ensure compliance

802
00:46:43,637 --> 00:46:46,667
is met prior to disbursing disbursement of the incentive

803
00:46:46,667 --> 00:46:49,667
payment From a budgetary perspective,

804
00:46:51,137 --> 00:46:54,414
face two would increase future real property tax revenues.

805
00:46:54,414 --> 00:46:55,997
The incentive payments would be funded

806
00:46:55,997 --> 00:46:59,570
by the incremental increase in the real property taxes

807
00:46:59,570 --> 00:47:01,637
and both the revenues incentive payments will be incorporated

808
00:47:01,637 --> 00:47:06,437
into future budgets So these are the parameters

809
00:47:06,633 --> 00:47:08,710
that we are looking at to include

810
00:47:08,710 --> 00:47:10,877
in the performance agreement committee of the board.

811
00:47:10,877 --> 00:47:12,887
So chooses to move forward with forms

812
00:47:12,887 --> 00:47:15,407
agreement that has been requested today.

813
00:47:15,407 --> 00:47:18,437
And KKR are here available to answer any questions

814
00:47:18,437 --> 00:47:19,917
that you all have.

815
00:47:19,917 --> 00:47:20,417
All right.

816
00:47:20,417 --> 00:47:21,420
Thank you both.

817
00:47:21,420 --> 00:47:24,857
Supervisor Malik I wanted to thank you

818
00:47:24,857 --> 00:47:27,887
for your very complete answers to my questions

819
00:47:27,887 --> 00:47:31,135
from earlier, because I'm one, I needed more details

820
00:47:31,135 --> 00:47:32,510
than what was in the staff report

821
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:34,727
And I'm really grateful for all the digging in that you

822
00:47:34,727 --> 00:47:35,687
have done and will do.

823
00:47:35,687 --> 00:47:37,337
And what you describe here this morning

824
00:47:37,337 --> 00:47:40,397
to make sure that everybody is going

825
00:47:40,397 --> 00:47:42,677
to be held to a timetable of, you

826
00:47:42,677 --> 00:47:44,795
know, just not just one side, because they

827
00:47:44,795 --> 00:47:45,837
can't operate without us.

828
00:47:45,837 --> 00:47:47,270
And we can't operate without them.

829
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:51,665
So we're all in this together and i guess later,

830
00:47:51,665 --> 00:47:56,687
we can get a formal answer on the displacement question

831
00:47:56,687 --> 00:47:58,697
because i think there is one.

832
00:47:58,697 --> 00:48:00,352
Thank you All right.

833
00:48:00,352 --> 00:48:02,417
Supervisor Duncan, no questions.

834
00:48:02,417 --> 00:48:04,417
Supervisor Pruitt ?

835
00:48:05,177 --> 00:48:10,697
Yes So the kind of crux of this is around the tiff structure,

836
00:48:10,697 --> 00:48:13,670
and it's occurring to me that doing it

837
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:16,337
as we are in multiple phases and with a very public process.

838
00:48:16,337 --> 00:48:21,497
I'm curious is there is the total value of the tiff not

839
00:48:21,497 --> 00:48:25,910
kind of altered by the publicity of it, as in.

840
00:48:25,910 --> 00:48:27,377
We are raising the base at which it's

841
00:48:27,377 --> 00:48:30,797
going to be assessed at before actually starting that process.

842
00:48:30,797 --> 00:48:33,197
Does that make sense ?

843
00:48:33,767 --> 00:48:35,659
We wouldn't be raising the base.

844
00:48:35,659 --> 00:48:39,917
I think the I guess I'm saying that the fact that it is known

845
00:48:39,917 --> 00:48:45,227
that there is going to be a a development here could raise

846
00:48:45,227 --> 00:48:48,197
the assessed value of that development even before ground

847
00:48:48,197 --> 00:48:51,647
is broken Does that make sense ?

848
00:48:51,647 --> 00:48:53,447
I understand where you're going, but when

849
00:48:53,447 --> 00:48:55,277
we would look at the property and the parcels, when we're

850
00:48:55,277 --> 00:48:57,317
dealing the real estate assessment each year,

851
00:48:57,317 --> 00:49:00,587
it would be looked at the market in totality

852
00:49:00,587 --> 00:49:03,437
And so when we look at real estate assessments,

853
00:49:03,437 --> 00:49:05,687
you look at more of our neighborhoods and neighborhood

854
00:49:05,687 --> 00:49:09,767
districts and so it is a little more

855
00:49:09,767 --> 00:49:14,207
geographic than the neighborhood of Southwood itself proper.

856
00:49:14,207 --> 00:49:19,607
So I would suspect that the the risk reassessment

857
00:49:21,470 --> 00:49:22,727
or the assessment of those properties

858
00:49:22,727 --> 00:49:24,497
will be based on the current conditions

859
00:49:24,497 --> 00:49:27,923
and as the four phases are built out over time,

860
00:49:27,923 --> 00:49:29,757
you know, those assessments will change

861
00:49:29,757 --> 00:49:31,517
and those will grow as they continue

862
00:49:31,517 --> 00:49:37,485
to grow from either raw or undeveloped land to more on land

863
00:49:37,485 --> 00:49:38,777
will have improvements on them.

864
00:49:38,777 --> 00:49:40,700
Got it.

865
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:45,770
I'm also realizing I don't know, the structure of this discussion

866
00:49:45,770 --> 00:49:48,482
that literally the structure of the agenda item before us.

867
00:49:48,482 --> 00:49:51,320
In my mind, I might be thinking of it

868
00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:54,767
similar to a hearing for a zoning approval.

869
00:49:54,767 --> 00:49:56,280
It's not right.

870
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:57,257
There is not going to be.

871
00:49:57,257 --> 00:50:00,107
Now we're turning it over to the applicant to speak.

872
00:50:00,107 --> 00:50:02,507
I think this is structurally the only time

873
00:50:02,507 --> 00:50:05,567
we're really going to have questions and discussions.

874
00:50:05,567 --> 00:50:09,197
I mention that because there's previously a they were concerned

875
00:50:09,197 --> 00:50:12,917
about displacement but maybe we'll hear from that later.

876
00:50:12,917 --> 00:50:15,707
I'm not sure there is another time to hear for it.

877
00:50:15,707 --> 00:50:18,707
So I guess I would just ask kind of generally, could you could

878
00:50:18,707 --> 00:50:20,687
you help characterize and respond

879
00:50:20,687 --> 00:50:23,927
to so the question about the current status of reporting

880
00:50:23,927 --> 00:50:26,777
related to displacement of the previous phase

881
00:50:26,777 --> 00:50:29,456
whether or not there's any contemplated changes to that

882
00:50:29,456 --> 00:50:31,810
and whether or not there's any concerns

883
00:50:31,810 --> 00:50:32,417
that staff is seeing on that.

884
00:50:32,417 --> 00:50:33,683
And that was three questions.

885
00:50:33,683 --> 00:50:38,873
Sorry I'm able to answer many of those questions,

886
00:50:38,873 --> 00:50:43,670
but there are detailed that I'm able to answer at this time,

887
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:46,847
though i suspect Mr. Rosenzweig has those answers.

888
00:50:46,847 --> 00:50:49,847
So if there's a mechanism for recognizing

889
00:50:49,847 --> 00:50:52,397
him to answer those questions that would certainly

890
00:50:52,397 --> 00:50:54,167
provide a more fulsome answer.

891
00:50:54,167 --> 00:50:56,507
We have the county has received all

892
00:50:56,507 --> 00:51:00,887
of the required reporting around displacement and status

893
00:51:00,887 --> 00:51:04,127
of phase one, sufficient to satisfy

894
00:51:04,127 --> 00:51:06,977
the distribution of the funds both the granting of funds

895
00:51:06,977 --> 00:51:11,777
and the the real site tax based ones.

896
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:16,517
So we have certainly been satisfied with what we've heard.

897
00:51:16,517 --> 00:51:19,970
I understand that Habitat is required

898
00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:22,697
to maintain individual and non displacement

899
00:51:22,877 --> 00:51:25,247
records for every individual who is in the park,

900
00:51:25,247 --> 00:51:28,311
but they are not required to distribute those to us.

901
00:51:28,311 --> 00:51:30,359
And so they're required to have them.

902
00:51:30,359 --> 00:51:33,170
And I understand they could make them available for the county

903
00:51:33,170 --> 00:51:33,657
to see.

904
00:51:33,657 --> 00:51:36,517
That is not that was not a component of phase One's

905
00:51:36,517 --> 00:51:39,172
performance agreement nor is it a component of our proposed

906
00:51:39,172 --> 00:51:42,107
Phase two agreement, we have no concerns

907
00:51:42,107 --> 00:51:50,507
on this issue I guess I might also ask the Chair if it would

908
00:51:51,197 --> 00:51:53,327
be appropriate to recognize Mr. Rosenzweig

909
00:51:53,327 --> 00:51:55,697
for any additional information he might want to add

910
00:51:55,697 --> 00:51:58,847
on this question If there's no objection by a supervisor,

911
00:51:58,847 --> 00:52:02,447
it's appropriate since the questions raised

912
00:52:03,827 --> 00:52:05,987
and the answer could be no further comment.

913
00:52:05,987 --> 00:52:09,107
I don't want to ask you to provide information

914
00:52:09,107 --> 00:52:11,687
that you don't have or don't want to provide.

915
00:52:11,687 --> 00:52:14,687
Have you ever heard me say no comment and mr. Rosensweig,

916
00:52:14,687 --> 00:52:16,187
before again, I mean, for the record

917
00:52:16,187 --> 00:52:18,770
we have other instances where there have been action

918
00:52:18,770 --> 00:52:20,237
items before us, including homestays where we've

919
00:52:20,237 --> 00:52:22,345
allowed folks to come up and speak as long

920
00:52:22,345 --> 00:52:23,387
as the board allows them.

921
00:52:23,387 --> 00:52:24,145
So you're also.

922
00:52:24,145 --> 00:52:25,580
Thank you, sir.

923
00:52:25,580 --> 00:52:26,153
I think I appreciate that.

924
00:52:26,153 --> 00:52:26,883
I'm Dan Rosensweig.

925
00:52:26,883 --> 00:52:28,910
In the presidency of Habitat.

926
00:52:28,910 --> 00:52:29,574
Make sure you maybe raise that up.

927
00:52:29,574 --> 00:52:30,933
Dan, you it might be.

928
00:52:30,933 --> 00:52:34,892
There's a button on the there's a button on the left below.

929
00:52:34,892 --> 00:52:35,702
So.

930
00:52:35,702 --> 00:52:37,607
Oh, yeah it's pretty cool.

931
00:52:37,607 --> 00:52:39,107
Unless I broke it before the meeting

932
00:52:39,107 --> 00:52:41,270
when I love that because my back always hurts.

933
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:42,737
After speaking.

934
00:52:42,737 --> 00:52:45,527
I'm Dan Rosensweig, president and CEO of Habitat for Humanity

935
00:52:45,527 --> 00:52:46,652
of Greater Charlottesville.

936
00:52:46,652 --> 00:52:49,500
I really appreciate you inviting me up to clarify

937
00:52:49,500 --> 00:52:50,838
and I appreciate the staff for all the time.

938
00:52:50,838 --> 00:52:53,897
They've put in not just to clarify these questions,

939
00:52:53,897 --> 00:52:56,537
but in putting together the agreement that we feel very,

940
00:52:56,537 --> 00:52:59,979
very good about in terms of non displacement,

941
00:52:59,979 --> 00:53:01,697
trying to follow the speakers.

942
00:53:01,697 --> 00:53:05,507
So that I could address them directly with facts.

943
00:53:05,507 --> 00:53:08,870
I had a hard time following those.

944
00:53:08,870 --> 00:53:10,279
The numbers and the logic of the first speaker

945
00:53:10,279 --> 00:53:13,517
didn't I just I can't say I can address that.

946
00:53:13,517 --> 00:53:17,117
The second speaker talked about requirements

947
00:53:17,237 --> 00:53:21,527
that in our an agreement that was approved by the county

948
00:53:21,527 --> 00:53:25,937
and by HUD about what non what constitutes non displacement.

949
00:53:25,937 --> 00:53:28,817
It defines things like persons non displaced etc.

950
00:53:28,817 --> 00:53:32,492
It's very, very granular and as Kathy said,

951
00:53:32,492 --> 00:53:36,677
we do have a requirement to keep a file and detailed records

952
00:53:36,677 --> 00:53:39,145
on everything that happens with families, whether they

953
00:53:39,145 --> 00:53:39,890
stay or go.

954
00:53:39,890 --> 00:53:40,822
And we have those.

955
00:53:40,822 --> 00:53:42,665
And we have no reporting requirement.

956
00:53:42,665 --> 00:53:46,487
When we were talking to the county director of housing years

957
00:53:46,487 --> 00:53:48,857
ago about what the report should look like,

958
00:53:48,857 --> 00:53:52,400
we asked, what do you want to include And one of the things

959
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,707
that you'll notice if you see it is that in the reporting that's

960
00:53:54,707 --> 00:53:58,607
now required, there is a segment on reporting on families who've

961
00:53:58,607 --> 00:54:01,518
been rehoused at Southwood So I can give you

962
00:54:01,518 --> 00:54:02,492
some facts around that.

963
00:54:02,492 --> 00:54:06,227
And phase one which is 19% of the land mass

964
00:54:06,227 --> 00:54:09,827
we have rehoused 89 families from Southwood

965
00:54:10,847 --> 00:54:13,907
or 29% of the families who are originally living there.

966
00:54:13,907 --> 00:54:16,487
And so we keep track of that as we move through the project.

967
00:54:16,487 --> 00:54:20,267
We always want to make sure that there's less land use than there

968
00:54:20,267 --> 00:54:23,687
is or there's more capacity to rehouse people

969
00:54:23,687 --> 00:54:25,837
as we go through the process There

970
00:54:25,837 --> 00:54:27,717
was a question in the first comment.

971
00:54:27,717 --> 00:54:31,547
And we have had zero involuntary displacements

972
00:54:31,547 --> 00:54:34,307
so not a single family has been in that has been in

973
00:54:34,307 --> 00:54:35,897
voluntarily displaced.

974
00:54:35,897 --> 00:54:37,637
And as I said, we are happy to share

975
00:54:37,637 --> 00:54:42,770
any of that information with the county either as part of this

976
00:54:42,770 --> 00:54:43,787
or outside of this.

977
00:54:43,787 --> 00:54:49,187
That's fine The the other thing that was brought up

978
00:54:49,187 --> 00:54:50,807
was the this question of where are

979
00:54:50,807 --> 00:54:54,677
the families As you all know, there was intensive sewer.

980
00:54:54,677 --> 00:54:58,337
Great or septic degradation in a section of the park.

981
00:54:58,337 --> 00:54:59,897
That was phase two.

982
00:54:59,897 --> 00:55:03,377
And so as we were developing phase one,

983
00:55:03,377 --> 00:55:06,197
we needed to move some people from that section

984
00:55:06,197 --> 00:55:08,447
on an emergency basis within the park, which

985
00:55:08,447 --> 00:55:11,717
we did most of those families were able to move either remove

986
00:55:11,717 --> 00:55:14,747
their trailers or we were able to purchase a trailer

987
00:55:14,747 --> 00:55:19,370
and put it on a pad that we reconstitute it or we purchased

988
00:55:19,370 --> 00:55:20,279
back trailers and moved on.

989
00:55:20,279 --> 00:55:22,877
But everybody was temporarily rehoused and then apart

990
00:55:22,877 --> 00:55:26,290
from just a handful of earlier adopters, the first families

991
00:55:26,290 --> 00:55:29,357
that moved in the vast majority of the 89 families

992
00:55:29,357 --> 00:55:32,717
who are in there are from the next sections of redevelopment

993
00:55:32,717 --> 00:55:35,327
So they've all any area that's been redeveloped,

994
00:55:35,327 --> 00:55:38,250
they're either in homes in phase one now,

995
00:55:38,250 --> 00:55:42,825
or the temporarily rehoused onsite at somewhere else.

996
00:55:43,277 --> 00:55:45,647
We have an 85% stay rate right now.

997
00:55:45,647 --> 00:55:49,970
That means that that 85% of the people who

998
00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:52,757
were legacy residents, the park who when it came time

999
00:55:52,757 --> 00:55:56,117
for their segment of the park to be redeveloped

1000
00:55:56,117 --> 00:55:57,827
they've elected to stay in there they're

1001
00:55:57,827 --> 00:56:01,787
staying 15% of the people who have left for a various reasons.

1002
00:56:01,787 --> 00:56:04,787
Some people just move right.

1003
00:56:04,937 --> 00:56:10,937
But we've documented all of that that 85% city rate is

1004
00:56:11,867 --> 00:56:14,477
is a national record for that.

1005
00:56:14,477 --> 00:56:17,147
The HUD's averages are about for hope.

1006
00:56:17,147 --> 00:56:22,370
Six projects that were 13% of people staying across all three

1007
00:56:22,370 --> 00:56:23,537
redevelopment projects in the nation

1008
00:56:23,537 --> 00:56:25,937
at somewhere between the data is a little sketchy

1009
00:56:25,937 --> 00:56:30,770
but it's between like 13 and 29% or something like that.

1010
00:56:30,770 --> 00:56:31,967
So an average of about 20%.

1011
00:56:31,967 --> 00:56:34,427
So 85% of the people are staying.

1012
00:56:34,427 --> 00:56:36,137
So we feel very good about it.

1013
00:56:36,137 --> 00:56:38,241
We're happy to make anything else available.

1014
00:56:38,241 --> 00:56:40,158
I'm happy to answer any more of your questions

1015
00:56:40,158 --> 00:56:44,507
The 85% I'm sorry, but is that for the aggregate

1016
00:56:44,507 --> 00:56:47,957
of the entire community or is that for the components that

1017
00:56:47,957 --> 00:56:51,107
are currently or have already seen redevelopment Yeah.

1018
00:56:51,107 --> 00:56:53,627
So there comes a time when we have

1019
00:56:53,627 --> 00:56:56,348
to redevelop a section of the park where people are.

1020
00:56:56,348 --> 00:56:58,970
And so people have about a 3 or 4

1021
00:56:58,970 --> 00:57:00,647
year runway between when we know that we're

1022
00:57:00,647 --> 00:57:01,607
going to develop that.

1023
00:57:01,607 --> 00:57:04,670
And when we actually start to develop that And so we

1024
00:57:04,670 --> 00:57:06,347
bring them in, the first thing that they do

1025
00:57:06,347 --> 00:57:07,997
is they meet with financial coaches.

1026
00:57:07,997 --> 00:57:09,774
We get a sense of what they want,

1027
00:57:09,774 --> 00:57:11,357
not what they can afford now, but what

1028
00:57:11,357 --> 00:57:12,565
they might be able to afford.

1029
00:57:12,565 --> 00:57:14,297
And three years from now then they

1030
00:57:14,297 --> 00:57:16,457
go through a community design process.

1031
00:57:16,457 --> 00:57:18,407
So those the families from that section

1032
00:57:18,407 --> 00:57:21,770
of the park work with our designers

1033
00:57:21,770 --> 00:57:24,767
to design their neighborhood and then the work begins.

1034
00:57:24,767 --> 00:57:27,437
Then they start working one on one with our financial coaches

1035
00:57:27,437 --> 00:57:29,458
to get them to a place where they want to be.

1036
00:57:29,458 --> 00:57:31,000
So they can buy the product that they

1037
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:34,787
want when their neighborhood is developed So about 3 or 4 years

1038
00:57:34,787 --> 00:57:36,470
later, after that, they move.

1039
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:39,632
So the 85% is based on the people

1040
00:57:39,632 --> 00:57:43,322
who have had that have been at that threshold

1041
00:57:43,322 --> 00:57:45,947
where the first question we say is, do you want to stay or not?

1042
00:57:45,947 --> 00:57:46,337
Right.

1043
00:57:46,337 --> 00:57:48,320
And if they don't want to stay, then we

1044
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,419
work with them to figure out timing.

1045
00:57:49,419 --> 00:57:51,440
And if they want our help and Rehousing

1046
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,595
we provide free housing assistance

1047
00:57:53,595 --> 00:57:55,672
And if they do want a stay, then they

1048
00:57:55,672 --> 00:57:57,527
work towards mostly homeownership

1049
00:57:57,527 --> 00:58:00,227
because 80% of the 85% are staying

1050
00:58:00,227 --> 00:58:03,197
as homeowners or in an affordable rentals

1051
00:58:03,197 --> 00:58:05,577
and well built, we build affordable rentals as well.

1052
00:58:05,577 --> 00:58:06,770
Thank you.

1053
00:58:06,770 --> 00:58:07,619
I think that answers all my questions

1054
00:58:07,619 --> 00:58:09,439
and that would have been my understanding.

1055
00:58:09,439 --> 00:58:11,824
The answer to that But, you know,

1056
00:58:11,824 --> 00:58:14,747
the i think this is kind of the one part

1057
00:58:14,747 --> 00:58:18,647
of this cycle where it's our job to be quite cynical.

1058
00:58:18,647 --> 00:58:22,337
And after this, we can proceed together in partnership again

1059
00:58:22,337 --> 00:58:25,997
And this the cynical thought is, oh, one could one

1060
00:58:25,997 --> 00:58:28,547
could hypothetically depress that number by treating

1061
00:58:28,547 --> 00:58:33,737
the entirety of South Wood as the unit that you're evaluating.

1062
00:58:33,737 --> 00:58:35,867
And then the total amount that have actually

1063
00:58:35,867 --> 00:58:39,557
made the decision to voluntarily displace would be lower.

1064
00:58:39,557 --> 00:58:41,606
But that is not what the measure is.

1065
00:58:41,606 --> 00:58:44,147
No, no, we're adding it, not subtracting it.

1066
00:58:44,147 --> 00:58:46,435
So in other words it's all the people

1067
00:58:46,435 --> 00:58:49,700
who are at that precipice where it's time to make

1068
00:58:49,700 --> 00:58:51,197
a decision of all those people.

1069
00:58:51,197 --> 00:58:55,397
That's where the 85, 85% of those people have had stayed.

1070
00:58:55,397 --> 00:58:55,937
Understood.

1071
00:58:55,937 --> 00:58:57,467
Thank you so much.

1072
00:58:57,467 --> 00:58:58,367
That's all I have to.

1073
00:58:58,367 --> 00:58:58,867
All right.

1074
00:58:58,867 --> 00:59:00,857
Supervisor missile Thanks.

1075
00:59:00,857 --> 00:59:03,377
Now, you guys both staff and Mr. Rosensweig Yeah.

1076
00:59:03,377 --> 00:59:04,247
This is great.

1077
00:59:04,247 --> 00:59:05,807
Just triple teamed.

1078
00:59:05,807 --> 00:59:07,970
I love it.

1079
00:59:07,970 --> 00:59:10,570
This is just a follow up in the non displacement plan.

1080
00:59:10,570 --> 00:59:11,807
I'm just looking at the agreement that was

1081
00:59:11,807 --> 00:59:15,770
and maybe this is a dated agreement back in 2019.

1082
00:59:15,770 --> 00:59:18,827
And in there it says as provided in Section 4,

1083
00:59:18,827 --> 00:59:21,628
a five habitat must obtain approval of the non displacement

1084
00:59:21,628 --> 00:59:23,711
plan before the county appropriates the first cash

1085
00:59:23,711 --> 00:59:26,363
contribution and then blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

1086
00:59:26,363 --> 00:59:28,217
Any amendment to the non displacement plan

1087
00:59:28,217 --> 00:59:29,837
is also subject to review and approval

1088
00:59:29,837 --> 00:59:31,350
by the county housing planner.

1089
00:59:31,350 --> 00:59:32,267
Is that all been done?

1090
00:59:32,267 --> 00:59:33,134
Is that that's done?

1091
00:59:33,134 --> 00:59:33,317
Yes.

1092
00:59:33,317 --> 00:59:35,870
It's under the water received the plan

1093
00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:38,270
and it was approved prior to the distribution of the first cash

1094
00:59:38,270 --> 00:59:38,867
payment.

1095
00:59:38,867 --> 00:59:40,313
Great OK, great.

1096
00:59:40,313 --> 00:59:40,910
Thank you.

1097
00:59:40,910 --> 00:59:43,370
And I appreciate also Supervisor Mallex

1098
00:59:43,370 --> 00:59:45,587
request for additional information that

1099
00:59:45,587 --> 00:59:48,312
was really helpful and i hope I didn't miss anything

1100
00:59:48,312 --> 00:59:49,937
because I've tried to review everything

1101
00:59:49,937 --> 00:59:52,120
that's been coming in over the last couple of days.

1102
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:53,537
I just have a couple of questions.

1103
00:59:53,537 --> 00:59:57,317
One is, as you think about is is there.

1104
00:59:57,317 --> 00:59:59,807
Do we know what percentage of incremental tax revenue

1105
00:59:59,807 --> 01:00:05,987
remains with the county if this to cover, for example, schools,

1106
01:00:05,987 --> 01:00:07,967
roads, etc.

1107
01:00:07,967 --> 01:00:11,657
So similar to form screaming or one,

1108
01:00:11,657 --> 01:00:13,525
this would be a phased in approach.

1109
01:00:13,525 --> 01:00:15,797
So we would look at structuring it

1110
01:00:15,797 --> 01:00:18,977
So the first major portion of the time

1111
01:00:18,977 --> 01:00:23,687
period, the 20 year time period would be 100% of the incentive.

1112
01:00:23,687 --> 01:00:25,654
And then that would step down as we

1113
01:00:25,654 --> 01:00:29,736
move towards that latter half of the 20 year mark.

1114
01:00:29,736 --> 01:00:33,990
And that's really to recognize the cost of construction,

1115
01:00:33,990 --> 01:00:35,243
the cost of development and supporting

1116
01:00:35,243 --> 01:00:40,430
the project So through that, through that timeline

1117
01:00:40,307 --> 01:00:41,897
and towards the latter part is when

1118
01:00:41,897 --> 01:00:44,537
we'd start seeing some of the additional revenues coming

1119
01:00:44,537 --> 01:00:46,787
to directly into the county, that would not be

1120
01:00:46,787 --> 01:00:48,773
part of the incentive payment.

1121
01:00:48,773 --> 01:00:49,901
OK, great.

1122
01:00:49,901 --> 01:00:52,847
And I have no doubt they will fulfill everything.

1123
01:00:52,847 --> 01:00:57,737
The a great, great project, highly respected you, Dan,

1124
01:00:57,737 --> 01:01:00,857
is there a clawback or other audit and reporting provisions

1125
01:01:00,857 --> 01:01:04,127
that are in this If for some reason commitments

1126
01:01:04,127 --> 01:01:07,257
aren't fulfilled or maintained ? there are in some

1127
01:01:07,257 --> 01:01:09,947
of the obligations that I talked about earlier and the reporting

1128
01:01:09,947 --> 01:01:13,212
requirements one of the structural things we're looking

1129
01:01:13,212 --> 01:01:14,810
at is the due dates from those that.

1130
01:01:14,810 --> 01:01:16,877
So now we have the reporting requirements

1131
01:01:16,877 --> 01:01:19,877
before we look at the incentive payment got make sure

1132
01:01:19,877 --> 01:01:23,335
that compliance is the measure that all the obligations

1133
01:01:23,335 --> 01:01:27,107
are called out in the agreement are fulfilled before we make

1134
01:01:27,107 --> 01:01:29,370
that incentive payment Okay.

1135
01:01:29,370 --> 01:01:29,537
Great.

1136
01:01:29,537 --> 01:01:30,770
Thank you.

1137
01:01:30,770 --> 01:01:32,897
And then on Slide seven, you don't have to go to the slide,

1138
01:01:32,897 --> 01:01:34,637
but you mentioned the community center

1139
01:01:34,637 --> 01:01:37,367
and I think you mentioned that funding is available.

1140
01:01:37,367 --> 01:01:41,387
So is i guess what is the likelihood of that

1141
01:01:41,387 --> 01:01:42,137
being completed?

1142
01:01:42,137 --> 01:01:45,409
I know maybe that's a crystal ball question.

1143
01:01:45,409 --> 01:01:47,958
Is it really part of the compliance requirements

1144
01:01:47,958 --> 01:01:49,168
or is it.

1145
01:01:49,168 --> 01:01:51,285
We hope it happens, yes.

1146
01:01:51,285 --> 01:01:52,697
To both.

1147
01:01:52,697 --> 01:01:56,870
We're going to incorporate it with the expectation

1148
01:01:56,870 --> 01:01:58,757
that it that it sets that the county is

1149
01:01:58,757 --> 01:02:00,887
interested in investing in the community center

1150
01:02:00,887 --> 01:02:06,470
and has been since prior to 2018 being in that space

1151
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:09,647
and recognizing that the financial obligation

1152
01:02:10,187 --> 01:02:14,387
for creating that is shared and so

1153
01:02:14,537 --> 01:02:18,677
shared it from what has the frequent been described

1154
01:02:18,677 --> 01:02:21,107
as other people's money in this process,

1155
01:02:21,107 --> 01:02:24,904
as we seek funding from other sources, both habitat seeking

1156
01:02:24,904 --> 01:02:25,487
those sources,

1157
01:02:25,487 --> 01:02:27,677
particularly the potential of using price money

1158
01:02:27,677 --> 01:02:32,357
for that hUD based price funds or any other source

1159
01:02:32,357 --> 01:02:35,295
that we might identify such as any private donor who

1160
01:02:35,295 --> 01:02:37,337
might be listening to this conversation right now

1161
01:02:37,337 --> 01:02:42,557
or wish to invest in community center at some kind of platform

1162
01:02:42,557 --> 01:02:45,597
to say everybody knows what can i clarify something?

1163
01:02:45,597 --> 01:02:46,970
Yes.

1164
01:02:46,970 --> 01:02:49,667
So the money we have, we have money for the center.

1165
01:02:49,667 --> 01:02:54,947
We requested staff allow for an out in case

1166
01:02:54,947 --> 01:02:57,797
that money that is a proper rated by HUD right

1167
01:02:57,797 --> 01:03:01,547
now for some reason gets rescinded given given

1168
01:03:01,547 --> 01:03:04,907
the stuff that's going on Chris, shouldn't it

1169
01:03:04,907 --> 01:03:09,278
be it shouldn't be subject to rescission as per the way

1170
01:03:09,278 --> 01:03:13,412
the the program was structured But we've

1171
01:03:13,412 --> 01:03:16,692
seen across the country that hasn't always been the case.

1172
01:03:16,692 --> 01:03:18,317
So if for some reason, the money that's

1173
01:03:18,317 --> 01:03:20,870
already been appropriated that that's sitting in

1174
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:21,387
account waiting to fund this.

1175
01:03:21,387 --> 01:03:21,887
Yeah.

1176
01:03:21,887 --> 01:03:24,198
Gets rescinded then we can't promise that.

1177
01:03:24,198 --> 01:03:25,370
I gotcha.

1178
01:03:25,370 --> 01:03:27,827
That's very helpful And just to clarify,

1179
01:03:27,827 --> 01:03:30,797
this is a 40 year homeownership affordability period, right?

1180
01:03:30,797 --> 01:03:35,138
Not 30, because there was a 30 would be for rental units.

1181
01:03:35,138 --> 01:03:35,927
OK.

1182
01:03:35,927 --> 01:03:38,599
And 40 would be for homeownership units.

1183
01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:40,697
And that's a baseline threshold or maybe

1184
01:03:40,697 --> 01:03:43,348
opportunities for longer periods of affordability

1185
01:03:43,348 --> 01:03:46,337
based on some negotiations we've been in with Habitat

1186
01:03:46,337 --> 01:03:51,437
about some scaling around that But for the agreement's sake,

1187
01:03:51,437 --> 01:03:53,657
the baseline can, consistent with housing

1188
01:03:53,657 --> 01:03:57,470
Albemarle got great thank you That's all the questions

1189
01:03:57,470 --> 01:04:01,847
supervisor officer currently any chance of getting that HUD money

1190
01:04:01,847 --> 01:04:03,797
and building it quickly before it gets

1191
01:04:03,797 --> 01:04:07,377
rescinded Yeah, that goes back to the questions

1192
01:04:07,377 --> 01:04:10,457
that that speaker that the members of the public asked

1193
01:04:10,457 --> 01:04:15,100
is that that's right now it's an assignment their trailers are.

1194
01:04:15,100 --> 01:04:17,628
And those folks are now going through that process

1195
01:04:17,628 --> 01:04:21,107
to get themselves ready to purchase homes.

1196
01:04:21,107 --> 01:04:22,475
When we build them.

1197
01:04:22,475 --> 01:04:25,657
We can't we can't move them until we build homes.

1198
01:04:25,657 --> 01:04:27,707
And so that's the limiting factor.

1199
01:04:27,707 --> 01:04:29,897
We're trying to expedite all we can on that.

1200
01:04:29,897 --> 01:04:32,867
But but the governor, on the pace of this project

1201
01:04:32,867 --> 01:04:36,167
is always trying to keep families in their homes

1202
01:04:36,167 --> 01:04:38,405
until they move to their site.

1203
01:04:38,405 --> 01:04:39,446
Yeah OK.

1204
01:04:39,446 --> 01:04:40,850
Thank you.

1205
01:04:40,850 --> 01:04:42,470
Most of my questions were answered.

1206
01:04:42,470 --> 01:04:48,470
But you offered to have the displacement numbers policy, not

1207
01:04:48,797 --> 01:04:50,837
the policy, but the displacement numbers

1208
01:04:50,837 --> 01:04:53,747
are included if that's what we wanted.

1209
01:04:53,747 --> 01:04:55,307
That's something I would like to see.

1210
01:04:55,307 --> 01:04:59,657
How many people each time or if anyone's displaced

1211
01:04:59,657 --> 01:05:02,717
and they accept you know, homeownership

1212
01:05:02,717 --> 01:05:06,257
or rental within South Ward or if they choose to leave,

1213
01:05:06,257 --> 01:05:10,132
I would like to continue receiving those Four years.

1214
01:05:10,132 --> 01:05:10,635
Absolutely.

1215
01:05:10,635 --> 01:05:11,138
OK.

1216
01:05:11,138 --> 01:05:11,893
Thank you.

1217
01:05:11,893 --> 01:05:14,837
The other questions i know Supervisor Malik,

1218
01:05:14,837 --> 01:05:19,250
did you have a follow up just a quick reminder

1219
01:05:19,250 --> 01:05:23,600
of the whole point, as I remember for where

1220
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:24,333
villages one and two were.

1221
01:05:24,333 --> 01:05:24,970
Was it.

1222
01:05:24,970 --> 01:05:26,807
It was Greenfield And so you can build

1223
01:05:26,807 --> 01:05:28,397
the house in which the people who

1224
01:05:28,397 --> 01:05:30,647
were in the trailers ready to be moved

1225
01:05:30,647 --> 01:05:33,137
could go and not be thrown out too soon.

1226
01:05:33,137 --> 01:05:36,467
So that is sort of what I assumed was the base

1227
01:05:36,467 --> 01:05:38,537
and took care of all those families

1228
01:05:38,537 --> 01:05:41,707
as well And the whole appreciative inquiry process

1229
01:05:41,707 --> 01:05:44,207
that you all have done I mean, it's the first in the nation.

1230
01:05:44,207 --> 01:05:45,964
And having watched from the sidelines

1231
01:05:45,964 --> 01:05:48,470
as these families are working through these things

1232
01:05:48,470 --> 01:05:51,587
and seeing it over ten years, it is incredible

1233
01:05:51,587 --> 01:05:54,617
how the understanding and the evolution of the planning

1234
01:05:54,617 --> 01:05:56,747
And first, well, we want everybody to have a garden

1235
01:05:56,747 --> 01:05:58,529
and then they realize that river garden.

1236
01:05:58,529 --> 01:05:59,987
And then they realized that if they

1237
01:05:59,987 --> 01:06:02,207
did that, there wouldn't be enough room for everybody

1238
01:06:02,207 --> 01:06:04,290
So they had to shrink the lots down and figure out

1239
01:06:04,290 --> 01:06:07,457
who needs what and all these different things that

1240
01:06:07,457 --> 01:06:09,677
were achieved here that have not been achieved.

1241
01:06:09,677 --> 01:06:11,270
And more standard neighborhoods.

1242
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:12,437
So I really appreciate that.

1243
01:06:12,437 --> 01:06:13,127
Thank you.

1244
01:06:13,127 --> 01:06:16,399
Thank you And Supervisor Duncan, did you have any follow ups?

1245
01:06:16,399 --> 01:06:16,899
All right.

1246
01:06:16,899 --> 01:06:21,179
I have the supervisor for Two quick questions that

1247
01:06:21,179 --> 01:06:24,770
were prompted by this other additional conversation

1248
01:06:24,770 --> 01:06:26,520
and referencing how he would mentioned, you know,

1249
01:06:26,520 --> 01:06:28,937
and we've talked about this before, the governor is always

1250
01:06:28,937 --> 01:06:30,347
on growth.

1251
01:06:30,347 --> 01:06:31,857
And then movement.

1252
01:06:31,857 --> 01:06:32,357
Right.

1253
01:06:32,357 --> 01:06:35,237
And that creates delays in the process.

1254
01:06:35,237 --> 01:06:38,570
So when we talked specifically about the community center,

1255
01:06:38,570 --> 01:06:41,717
looking at the the maps that you provided it does

1256
01:06:41,717 --> 01:06:45,647
look like you're notionally planning on the community center

1257
01:06:45,647 --> 01:06:48,470
a little in a different place than the current community

1258
01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:48,767
center right.

1259
01:06:48,767 --> 01:06:51,167
A little earlier on Hickory Street

1260
01:06:51,167 --> 01:06:54,710
And that now begs the question of the fact

1261
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:57,407
that there is uncertainty in the funding

1262
01:06:57,407 --> 01:07:00,107
streams for that new community center

1263
01:07:00,107 --> 01:07:03,107
and also the fact that this is an iterative redevelopment

1264
01:07:03,107 --> 01:07:04,799
and phase two, we're going to be on.

1265
01:07:04,799 --> 01:07:05,507
Greenfield Right.

1266
01:07:05,507 --> 01:07:07,883
We're going to be looking at existing construction.

1267
01:07:07,883 --> 01:07:09,617
Appreciate it.

1268
01:07:09,617 --> 01:07:13,127
What does the world look like where that runway on how long

1269
01:07:13,127 --> 01:07:18,347
it takes to secure funding for the new community center

1270
01:07:18,347 --> 01:07:20,807
But we have to do work in the place

1271
01:07:20,807 --> 01:07:25,700
where the old community is there a universe or an alignment,

1272
01:07:25,700 --> 01:07:28,637
an unfortunate alignment of funding streams that has us

1273
01:07:28,637 --> 01:07:31,907
have to bulldoze the old one before the new one is

1274
01:07:31,907 --> 01:07:36,284
ready or funded Now we've done that intentionally.

1275
01:07:36,284 --> 01:07:38,120
And so One of the reasons why we're not

1276
01:07:38,120 --> 01:07:40,637
building that there are multiple reasons to build the community

1277
01:07:40,637 --> 01:07:43,370
center where the new location is For one,

1278
01:07:43,370 --> 01:07:45,230
it's the geographic center of the community.

1279
01:07:45,230 --> 01:07:47,423
It's almost exactly walkable.

1280
01:07:48,770 --> 01:07:53,237
Equally walkable from all sort of outskirts of the community

1281
01:07:53,237 --> 01:07:54,707
The second part is its connection

1282
01:07:54,707 --> 01:07:56,570
with Biscuit run trails.

1283
01:07:56,570 --> 01:07:59,267
So we imagine we're going to build some extra parking

1284
01:07:59,267 --> 01:08:00,114
adjacent to it.

1285
01:08:00,114 --> 01:08:02,444
So that people can park and use that as a trailhead

1286
01:08:02,444 --> 01:08:07,670
and walk into the the park and hopefully come out and buy

1287
01:08:07,670 --> 01:08:09,471
a burrito from one of our entrepreneurs

1288
01:08:09,471 --> 01:08:10,967
who's who's cooking.

1289
01:08:10,967 --> 01:08:14,117
And in the shared commercial kitchen there.

1290
01:08:14,117 --> 01:08:15,917
But one of the biggest reasons is

1291
01:08:15,917 --> 01:08:19,700
that we'll be able to keep the current community center in use.

1292
01:08:19,700 --> 01:08:20,687
And our plan is to keep that in use.

1293
01:08:20,687 --> 01:08:23,147
And as soon as we open up the doors of the new one,

1294
01:08:23,147 --> 01:08:26,572
that's when we'll decommissioned the old one.

1295
01:08:26,572 --> 01:08:27,947
I should remind you, that's still

1296
01:08:27,947 --> 01:08:29,357
making it even more complicated.

1297
01:08:29,357 --> 01:08:33,227
It's still subject to one of our original proffers

1298
01:08:33,227 --> 01:08:35,447
for this was the county has the right to build

1299
01:08:35,447 --> 01:08:37,979
a school on that Second site.

1300
01:08:37,979 --> 01:08:40,757
And you have until the end of 2027

1301
01:08:40,757 --> 01:08:43,334
to notify us whether you want to or not.

1302
01:08:43,334 --> 01:08:45,167
If you're not going to build a school there,

1303
01:08:45,167 --> 01:08:47,837
then we have an additional affordable housing requirement,

1304
01:08:47,837 --> 01:08:53,723
which were or well well ahead of what our production for.

1305
01:08:53,723 --> 01:08:57,573
So that shouldn't be a problem Understood

1306
01:08:57,573 --> 01:09:00,590
I guess this is maybe now a question of for later

1307
01:09:00,590 --> 01:09:02,537
if there is with that kind of a tacit request

1308
01:09:02,537 --> 01:09:05,507
to extinguish that earlier than we're required.

1309
01:09:05,507 --> 01:09:08,270
But I don't think we need to get into that for this.

1310
01:09:08,270 --> 01:09:10,997
The other question I'd had was just

1311
01:09:10,997 --> 01:09:14,374
scratching a little bit more on the current obligations

1312
01:09:14,374 --> 01:09:17,462
under the relocation plan, versus what

1313
01:09:17,462 --> 01:09:21,257
you or the relocate sSiOn data that is provided

1314
01:09:21,257 --> 01:09:23,987
versus what there might be a public desire for.

1315
01:09:23,987 --> 01:09:27,737
I know you i've heard your data before on, you know,

1316
01:09:27,737 --> 01:09:32,207
85 for 2% retention and the relocations that do exist

1317
01:09:32,207 --> 01:09:35,507
are voluntary relocations I'm not clear

1318
01:09:35,507 --> 01:09:39,770
if that is part of our current report required Ment's And I'd

1319
01:09:39,770 --> 01:09:42,167
be curious if that would be something because because that

1320
01:09:42,167 --> 01:09:44,927
is data that is held and that is data that you're

1321
01:09:44,927 --> 01:09:46,757
transparent with on request.

1322
01:09:46,757 --> 01:09:48,827
But you know Joe Public, I don't know,

1323
01:09:48,827 --> 01:09:53,597
has the access to qualitative or quantitative information

1324
01:09:53,597 --> 01:09:55,997
on the voluntary relocations.

1325
01:09:56,237 --> 01:09:58,337
And I'm curious if there is either qualitative

1326
01:09:58,337 --> 01:10:01,337
and quantitative data that could be either included or added

1327
01:10:01,337 --> 01:10:05,350
to that is required reporting So we certainly will include that

1328
01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:07,308
as part of the performance agreement obligation

1329
01:10:07,308 --> 01:10:10,397
and conditions in terms of reporting

1330
01:10:10,397 --> 01:10:13,787
and we'll be specific to ask for displacement and not

1331
01:10:13,787 --> 01:10:17,657
just purchase or movement and to make sure that that's

1332
01:10:17,657 --> 01:10:18,947
part of what we would be.

1333
01:10:18,947 --> 01:10:22,612
De-identified data, of course, we heard from supervisor p

1334
01:10:22,612 --> 01:10:24,557
so currently a specific interest to have

1335
01:10:24,557 --> 01:10:27,167
that be included in that performance agreement

1336
01:10:27,167 --> 01:10:30,707
and will that will be the case Thank you.

1337
01:10:30,707 --> 01:10:35,327
And just for one final note, as that I say this

1338
01:10:35,327 --> 01:10:37,821
and I'm trying to be responsive to concerns

1339
01:10:37,821 --> 01:10:42,527
but I'm also, frankly, trying to position us,

1340
01:10:42,527 --> 01:10:44,936
you and I as well as possible to be

1341
01:10:44,936 --> 01:10:48,767
able to respond to political agreement right.

1342
01:10:48,767 --> 01:10:52,517
So if someone says, oh, well, I hear from my students at school

1343
01:10:52,517 --> 01:10:54,407
that there's consternation, I hear

1344
01:10:54,407 --> 01:10:56,747
that some people feel they haven't been treated fairly

1345
01:10:56,747 --> 01:11:01,337
It is helpful to be able to have that data in a place other

1346
01:11:01,337 --> 01:11:06,107
than from your mouth and a place that we can reference back to

1347
01:11:06,107 --> 01:11:06,737
on that issue.

1348
01:11:06,737 --> 01:11:10,915
I think it's important to note that there is the promise of non

1349
01:11:10,915 --> 01:11:14,297
displacement was made to the original inhabitants of South

1350
01:11:14,297 --> 01:11:17,147
would when Habitat purchased the property

1351
01:11:17,147 --> 01:11:20,570
and then Habitat has on several occasions

1352
01:11:20,570 --> 01:11:22,700
expanded that group to include whoever

1353
01:11:22,700 --> 01:11:23,987
is in the park at that moment.

1354
01:11:23,987 --> 01:11:26,957
That's a process for the purposes of a 20 year

1355
01:11:26,957 --> 01:11:30,178
redevelopment planning process can't continue forever

1356
01:11:30,178 --> 01:11:34,332
The the sort of end of folks would be changing constantly

1357
01:11:34,332 --> 01:11:36,707
and you wouldn't be able to make appropriate construction

1358
01:11:36,707 --> 01:11:39,857
or financial planning around that number

1359
01:11:39,857 --> 01:11:44,447
And so Habitat has expanded that group on several occasions.

1360
01:11:44,447 --> 01:11:46,907
And there are people who have lived in the park

1361
01:11:46,907 --> 01:11:49,247
since the purchase of the park who

1362
01:11:49,247 --> 01:11:51,857
are not covered under this non displacement agreement.

1363
01:11:51,857 --> 01:11:54,827
And so there are certainly community members, folks

1364
01:11:54,827 --> 01:11:57,707
in schools other folks who hear that there's a promise

1365
01:11:57,707 --> 01:12:00,647
that if you live in South, well, you can stay there forever.

1366
01:12:00,647 --> 01:12:03,167
And that applies to a subset of folks there,

1367
01:12:03,167 --> 01:12:06,329
a large subset of folks who have the longest standing commitment

1368
01:12:06,329 --> 01:12:07,787
or engagement in that neighborhood.

1369
01:12:07,787 --> 01:12:09,704
But there are folks who live in South Bend who

1370
01:12:09,704 --> 01:12:12,437
are not included in this agreement around us,

1371
01:12:12,437 --> 01:12:13,307
non displacement.

1372
01:12:13,307 --> 01:12:15,797
And so people's real life experience

1373
01:12:15,797 --> 01:12:18,382
s is counter to what they hear is the promise.

1374
01:12:18,382 --> 01:12:19,757
And I think it's important for us

1375
01:12:19,757 --> 01:12:22,427
to say the extra 3 or 4 sentences that helps

1376
01:12:22,427 --> 01:12:23,992
explain why that's the case.

1377
01:12:23,992 --> 01:12:25,367
And this would both things can be

1378
01:12:25,367 --> 01:12:27,977
true in the case of that gentleman who's

1379
01:12:27,977 --> 01:12:31,517
living on his grandmother's sofa but is not himself a homeowner

1380
01:12:31,517 --> 01:12:33,587
But that is his maybe primary place of resident.

1381
01:12:33,587 --> 01:12:37,667
He might not be embraced by that in the same way that No, no,

1382
01:12:37,667 --> 01:12:38,387
it doesn't.

1383
01:12:38,387 --> 01:12:39,257
He's included.

1384
01:12:39,257 --> 01:12:40,727
It's because it's families.

1385
01:12:40,727 --> 01:12:45,190
It's the folks When we had to say, okay, this.

1386
01:12:45,190 --> 01:12:47,447
This is it, we now have a rezoning plan.

1387
01:12:47,447 --> 01:12:49,607
We have a density amount of density.

1388
01:12:49,607 --> 01:12:50,927
We have a pro forma.

1389
01:12:50,927 --> 01:12:52,529
We can't we can't change the plant.

1390
01:12:52,529 --> 01:12:54,290
We can't go back to the supervisors.

1391
01:12:54,290 --> 01:12:56,669
Now and say, we need all multifamily housing.

1392
01:12:56,669 --> 01:13:01,469
Now at that point in 2019 and we asked

1393
01:13:01,547 --> 01:13:03,917
the residents of the resident council we said, should we

1394
01:13:03,917 --> 01:13:07,787
continue if trailers come available for rent to allow

1395
01:13:07,787 --> 01:13:12,347
people to move in given the dearth of affordable housing,

1396
01:13:12,347 --> 01:13:14,747
or should we just shut the door full stop right now?

1397
01:13:14,747 --> 01:13:16,817
And the residents said no, let people move in,

1398
01:13:16,817 --> 01:13:19,367
but make it very, very clear Make them sign something

1399
01:13:19,367 --> 01:13:21,497
when they move in that says that they

1400
01:13:21,497 --> 01:13:24,320
recognize that when redevelopment happens

1401
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:24,949
they'll need to leave.

1402
01:13:24,949 --> 01:13:27,918
And so we have all of those records and signatures

1403
01:13:27,918 --> 01:13:29,327
So there is a small subset.

1404
01:13:29,327 --> 01:13:32,402
It's not the it's not the person who's joined the family.

1405
01:13:32,402 --> 01:13:36,170
It's a new family that moved in understanding

1406
01:13:36,170 --> 01:13:39,321
that they could stay up until the time for redevelop

1407
01:13:39,321 --> 01:13:40,367
and begins.

1408
01:13:40,367 --> 01:13:43,370
And so it was their choice at that time,

1409
01:13:43,370 --> 01:13:45,317
they still have tenant rates And so

1410
01:13:45,317 --> 01:13:47,597
it's not like we can say tomorrow you have to move.

1411
01:13:47,597 --> 01:13:50,870
There are still statutory tenants rights that they have.

1412
01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:51,557
Once we start to lease to them.

1413
01:13:51,557 --> 01:13:55,277
So most of them have, I think it's a nine month obligation.

1414
01:13:55,277 --> 01:13:58,745
There are certain circumstances where we can accelerate that.

1415
01:13:58,745 --> 01:14:00,287
If there's a health and safety issue.

1416
01:14:00,287 --> 01:14:02,957
So something blows up next to there.

1417
01:14:02,957 --> 01:14:06,737
And so it's normal unlawful detainers or non renewals

1418
01:14:06,737 --> 01:14:09,467
for the lot themselves Right?

1419
01:14:09,467 --> 01:14:12,682
And those folks also are entitled to housing support.

1420
01:14:12,682 --> 01:14:14,807
We provide everybody Rehousing support We give them

1421
01:14:14,807 --> 01:14:19,580
a long leave lead time, and we also have an appeals process.

1422
01:14:19,580 --> 01:14:21,497
And so there are some families that have said,

1423
01:14:21,497 --> 01:14:23,717
no, we were actually there before

1424
01:14:23,717 --> 01:14:25,757
and there's an internal appeals process.

1425
01:14:25,757 --> 01:14:27,160
Our board is the arbiter in that.

1426
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:28,577
And I think we've said yes to all.

1427
01:14:28,577 --> 01:14:30,497
But then like five appeals, I think

1428
01:14:30,497 --> 01:14:32,220
we've said yes all but one.

1429
01:14:32,220 --> 01:14:33,678
They just have to show us anything,

1430
01:14:33,678 --> 01:14:36,678
a picture, a newspaper, something

1431
01:14:36,707 --> 01:14:38,570
and we'll open that door.

1432
01:14:38,570 --> 01:14:41,502
We don't we want people to be able to stay I appreciate

1433
01:14:41,502 --> 01:14:42,377
your patience for it.

1434
01:14:42,377 --> 01:14:44,877
I appreciate your patience in for my questions.

1435
01:14:44,877 --> 01:14:45,377
Thank you.

1436
01:14:45,377 --> 01:14:48,908
Then i don't have any further questions or comments.

1437
01:14:48,908 --> 01:14:50,447
Ready for I have what I need to take

1438
01:14:50,447 --> 01:14:53,277
a vote is there any final comments or questions?

1439
01:14:53,277 --> 01:14:53,777
All right.

1440
01:14:53,777 --> 01:14:55,985
I'll look to the Scottsville supervisor for a motion.

1441
01:14:55,985 --> 01:14:57,327
Oh, goodness Of course.

1442
01:14:57,327 --> 01:14:57,827
Yes.

1443
01:14:57,827 --> 01:15:00,587
I'd like to move to approve the resolution, including the board

1444
01:15:00,587 --> 01:15:04,577
materials for this agenda item in attachment B. Second,

1445
01:15:04,577 --> 01:15:06,569
is there any further discussion All right.

1446
01:15:06,569 --> 01:15:08,777
If the clerk will please call the roll missile piece.

1447
01:15:08,777 --> 01:15:10,577
So currently I miss Malik.

1448
01:15:10,577 --> 01:15:11,927
Yes, Mr. Missal.

1449
01:15:11,927 --> 01:15:14,687
Hi, Mr. Pruitt I miss Duncan.

1450
01:15:14,687 --> 01:15:16,700
Yes, Mr. Galloway.

1451
01:15:16,700 --> 01:15:17,247
Yes All right.

1452
01:15:17,247 --> 01:15:17,747
Thank you.

1453
01:15:17,747 --> 01:15:18,327
Board.

1454
01:15:18,327 --> 01:15:18,827
Thank you.

1455
01:15:18,827 --> 01:15:19,967
Can't thank you, Jacob.

1456
01:15:19,967 --> 01:15:21,967
Thank you Okay.

1457
01:15:23,757 --> 01:15:24,257
Board.

1458
01:15:24,257 --> 01:15:29,119
We will move to item number ten Micro Cat Program update and fee

1459
01:15:29,119 --> 01:15:30,407
discussion.

1460
01:15:30,407 --> 01:15:34,127
Brian Davidson will be joining us to lead this.

1461
01:15:34,127 --> 01:15:35,597
This one.

1462
01:15:35,597 --> 01:15:39,137
And I see Mr. Bowman and Welcome Garland

1463
01:15:39,137 --> 01:15:46,337
I see you hiding there in the back a little bit Yeah.

1464
01:15:49,247 --> 01:15:51,247
Yeah So Yeah.

1465
01:16:04,983 --> 01:16:07,383
Oh, okay Thank you.

1466
01:16:10,698 --> 01:16:11,545
Good afternoon.

1467
01:16:11,545 --> 01:16:13,337
Ryan Davidson, the deputy chief for budget.

1468
01:16:13,337 --> 01:16:15,857
And I'm here this afternoon to discuss the micro cat

1469
01:16:15,857 --> 01:16:17,237
program with you.

1470
01:16:17,237 --> 01:16:18,827
Before we get started, I did want

1471
01:16:18,827 --> 01:16:22,277
to acknowledge some other staff from the core MicroCap team who

1472
01:16:22,277 --> 01:16:25,990
are here today in attendance Kevin McDermott and Tanya Swartz

1473
01:16:25,990 --> 01:16:28,157
and driver from the Community Development department

1474
01:16:28,157 --> 01:16:30,197
and Carla Williams from charlottesville,

1475
01:16:30,197 --> 01:16:32,197
Area Transit captain.

1476
01:16:33,437 --> 01:16:35,237
So for today's presentation is really

1477
01:16:35,237 --> 01:16:37,345
going to be broken into two sections.

1478
01:16:37,345 --> 01:16:39,887
First, it's going to start with a refresher on the background

1479
01:16:39,887 --> 01:16:42,827
of the service and some data on some current service

1480
01:16:42,827 --> 01:16:45,828
levels in the section is more for your information

1481
01:16:45,828 --> 01:16:48,780
and to answer any general questions you may have about

1482
01:16:48,780 --> 01:16:50,870
micro cat And then second, we're going

1483
01:16:50,870 --> 01:16:53,447
to discuss the micro cat fares as a reminder to the board

1484
01:16:53,447 --> 01:16:54,587
and to the public.

1485
01:16:54,587 --> 01:16:58,157
The fY 27 adopted budget contained revenue from micro

1486
01:16:58,157 --> 01:17:01,157
fares and after a discussion with the board at our March 11th

1487
01:17:01,157 --> 01:17:04,397
work session, the board instructed staff to come back

1488
01:17:04,397 --> 01:17:07,487
for feedback and approval prior to the implementation of these

1489
01:17:07,487 --> 01:17:08,185
fares.

1490
01:17:08,185 --> 01:17:09,977
Today, staff brought forth a recommendation

1491
01:17:09,977 --> 01:17:12,477
around the structure for the micro cat fares for the board's

1492
01:17:12,477 --> 01:17:16,337
consideration and approval After we go through the presentation

1493
01:17:16,337 --> 01:17:17,927
to complete the presentation, staff

1494
01:17:17,927 --> 01:17:20,267
will turn to the board for any general questions

1495
01:17:20,267 --> 01:17:24,227
and for questions and discussion on the microphone at fares

1496
01:17:24,227 --> 01:17:28,997
and ultimately an action of the board decision on the fare

1497
01:17:28,997 --> 01:17:32,597
recommendation So we're going to start

1498
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:35,387
with a quick refresher on the background of the micro Cat

1499
01:17:35,387 --> 01:17:37,667
service and some of the data on the current program

1500
01:17:37,667 --> 01:17:41,717
Service levels in 2022, our Martin County conducted

1501
01:17:41,717 --> 01:17:43,217
a transit expansion study.

1502
01:17:43,217 --> 01:17:45,947
One of the main recommendations coming from this study

1503
01:17:45,947 --> 01:17:48,947
was around the utilization of micro transit and more

1504
01:17:48,947 --> 01:17:52,370
specifically for having that service in the pant hops and 29

1505
01:17:52,370 --> 01:17:54,729
north corridors or zones of the county.

1506
01:17:54,729 --> 01:17:56,687
At that time, it was estimated the county could

1507
01:17:56,687 --> 01:17:58,697
see approximately 100 rides per day

1508
01:17:58,697 --> 01:18:02,627
for the service Using this study and the information provided

1509
01:18:02,627 --> 01:18:05,657
by the county through our partners at fcaT,

1510
01:18:05,657 --> 01:18:08,270
applied for and was awarded a demonstration grant

1511
01:18:08,270 --> 01:18:10,637
from the Department of Rail and Public Transportation.

1512
01:18:10,637 --> 01:18:13,700
This grant originally was a two year grant,

1513
01:18:13,700 --> 01:18:15,827
worth a total of about approximately 1.9 million,

1514
01:18:15,827 --> 01:18:20,627
which included a county match of just under $390,000.

1515
01:18:21,617 --> 01:18:24,137
So utilizing this grant funding the county,

1516
01:18:24,137 --> 01:18:25,787
again through partnership with Cat,

1517
01:18:25,787 --> 01:18:28,457
was able to procure and launch the micro cat services

1518
01:18:28,457 --> 01:18:29,971
at the end of October 2023.

1519
01:18:29,971 --> 01:18:32,957
And that's for the area shown in blue and red here

1520
01:18:32,957 --> 01:18:37,757
on this diagram which are the 29 north main types areas.

1521
01:18:37,757 --> 01:18:40,577
As you can see, the service runs monday through Saturday from

1522
01:18:40,577 --> 01:18:44,970
6:30 a.m. to 9:00 PM and microcephalic consists of eight

1523
01:18:44,970 --> 01:18:46,967
hybrid minivans and I'm sure you've seen driving around town,

1524
01:18:46,967 --> 01:18:49,100
I think we're showing the blue vans here.

1525
01:18:49,100 --> 01:18:51,260
But the most recent ones I've seen driving around town

1526
01:18:51,260 --> 01:18:52,907
are those black man's they have now.

1527
01:18:52,907 --> 01:18:54,857
So they're updating the fleet as we

1528
01:18:54,857 --> 01:18:59,207
as we move along in terms of current annual cost,

1529
01:18:59,207 --> 01:19:01,727
the adopted budget for this service for fY 27

1530
01:19:01,727 --> 01:19:05,927
was just over 1.4 million since October of 2023.

1531
01:19:08,260 --> 01:19:09,677
And through the end of last month,

1532
01:19:09,677 --> 01:19:13,277
Micro Cat has completed over 184,000 rides.

1533
01:19:14,500 --> 01:19:15,467
As I mentioned earlier, this study

1534
01:19:15,467 --> 01:19:17,515
anticipated approximately 100 rides per day.

1535
01:19:17,515 --> 01:19:19,967
And as you can see, we are averaging almost double

1536
01:19:19,967 --> 01:19:22,787
that amount in rides per day.

1537
01:19:22,787 --> 01:19:26,537
Listed on the left hand side are the top 15 location

1538
01:19:26,537 --> 01:19:28,577
of combined origin and destinations

1539
01:19:28,577 --> 01:19:31,577
for the service in order of the most requested

1540
01:19:31,577 --> 01:19:34,970
at the top of the list requested.

1541
01:19:34,970 --> 01:19:36,304
Obviously, that's the top 15, so there's

1542
01:19:36,304 --> 01:19:38,266
a lot more outside of this that are

1543
01:19:38,266 --> 01:19:40,787
that we're going to the graphics on the right show you

1544
01:19:40,787 --> 01:19:43,307
kind of a heat map within the zones of where the most

1545
01:19:43,307 --> 01:19:45,617
popular spots for ride origination which

1546
01:19:45,617 --> 01:19:49,577
is the blue side and on the left and ride destinations shown

1547
01:19:49,577 --> 01:19:51,527
in the yellowish gold, you can see

1548
01:19:51,527 --> 01:19:54,977
there's a mix from the charts and from the graphics.

1549
01:19:54,977 --> 01:19:57,550
There's a mix of commercial and residential locations

1550
01:19:57,550 --> 01:19:58,967
and there's a higher concentration

1551
01:19:58,967 --> 01:20:04,967
of rides around the urban ring and the Harley meter area moving

1552
01:20:04,967 --> 01:20:07,817
on, I want to speak for just a moment on service performance

1553
01:20:07,817 --> 01:20:09,563
and the quality of the service.

1554
01:20:09,563 --> 01:20:11,605
There are a couple highlights around these areas.

1555
01:20:11,605 --> 01:20:13,427
I want to point out first is that we

1556
01:20:13,427 --> 01:20:17,657
see less than point three complaints per day which

1557
01:20:17,657 --> 01:20:19,157
when you look at the number of rides

1558
01:20:19,157 --> 01:20:21,527
we have per day, that means on average micro cat

1559
01:20:21,527 --> 01:20:23,747
is receiving less than one complaint per day

1560
01:20:23,747 --> 01:20:25,127
on the service.

1561
01:20:25,127 --> 01:20:27,283
I also wanted to point out the high amount

1562
01:20:27,283 --> 01:20:29,447
of five star ratings 93%.

1563
01:20:29,447 --> 01:20:30,977
But those that leave a review.

1564
01:20:30,977 --> 01:20:33,227
So the service appears to be leaving a good impression

1565
01:20:33,227 --> 01:20:33,810
on the riders.

1566
01:20:33,810 --> 01:20:34,622
They use it.

1567
01:20:34,622 --> 01:20:36,497
And finally, I wanted to point out some rider

1568
01:20:36,497 --> 01:20:37,907
retention and engagement.

1569
01:20:37,907 --> 01:20:41,957
79% of the riders are repeat users of the service

1570
01:20:41,957 --> 01:20:42,882
and with it.

1571
01:20:42,882 --> 01:20:45,425
And those customers with an average of eight rides per month

1572
01:20:45,425 --> 01:20:51,107
for the return users of that service as good as our biker

1573
01:20:51,107 --> 01:20:53,742
cat services, there are limitations.

1574
01:20:53,742 --> 01:20:55,367
The charts on the next couple of slides

1575
01:20:55,367 --> 01:20:57,784
may not be the easiest to read, but I'll walk through them

1576
01:20:57,784 --> 01:20:58,697
really quickly.

1577
01:20:58,697 --> 01:21:02,777
Our contract an annual cost, is based upon 380 driver

1578
01:21:02,777 --> 01:21:05,234
hours per year or excuse me, per week,

1579
01:21:05,234 --> 01:21:07,817
which requires us to adjust the vehicle hours at various times

1580
01:21:07,817 --> 01:21:10,877
to meet the demand On this first chart,

1581
01:21:10,877 --> 01:21:13,817
the green portion of the bar is is showing the demand where

1582
01:21:13,817 --> 01:21:16,817
completed rides are completed, requests

1583
01:21:16,915 --> 01:21:19,457
for each month since the service started, the gray portion is

1584
01:21:19,457 --> 01:21:23,870
representing that unmet demand amount As you can see,

1585
01:21:23,870 --> 01:21:25,187
the amount of requests per month have grown larger

1586
01:21:25,187 --> 01:21:27,407
as the MicroConf has been in place

1587
01:21:27,407 --> 01:21:29,567
and based on our hours limitations

1588
01:21:29,567 --> 01:21:32,327
that I mentioned before, that's resulting in a higher

1589
01:21:32,327 --> 01:21:33,677
as the demand grows,

1590
01:21:33,677 --> 01:21:37,577
we're starting to see a higher percentage of unmet demand

1591
01:21:37,577 --> 01:21:41,147
But to put this chart in context of percentages,

1592
01:21:41,147 --> 01:21:44,570
my cat's averaging around the mid-seventies in terms

1593
01:21:44,570 --> 01:21:48,257
of percent of met demand per month

1594
01:21:50,117 --> 01:21:52,637
So because we have more requests than rides

1595
01:21:52,637 --> 01:21:55,944
for my work at vehicle hours and driver hours

1596
01:21:55,944 --> 01:21:57,527
have to be adjusted throughout the day

1597
01:21:57,527 --> 01:22:00,797
to try and make sure we have the most vehicles in service

1598
01:22:00,797 --> 01:22:04,815
at our highest demand points So in this chart, the blue bar show

1599
01:22:04,815 --> 01:22:05,887
a typical day.

1600
01:22:05,887 --> 01:22:08,139
And how the demand has been for the services

1601
01:22:08,139 --> 01:22:10,970
and the rise has been spread throughout the day

1602
01:22:10,970 --> 01:22:11,537
as you can see, the highest demand

1603
01:22:11,537 --> 01:22:14,567
is normally between the hours of 2 p.m. and 5 p.m.

1604
01:22:14,567 --> 01:22:17,514
and the light blue line here shows how the driver hours are

1605
01:22:17,514 --> 01:22:19,847
adjusted throughout the day to get more drivers and more

1606
01:22:19,847 --> 01:22:22,397
drivers on the road at our peak demand times

1607
01:22:22,397 --> 01:22:25,367
to try to meet that demand again.

1608
01:22:25,367 --> 01:22:27,167
Even after my work at flex is hours

1609
01:22:27,167 --> 01:22:28,912
to meet our peak demand periods we're

1610
01:22:28,912 --> 01:22:30,610
still limited to the 70% range.

1611
01:22:30,610 --> 01:22:32,987
And that demand which we will tie into the fares

1612
01:22:32,987 --> 01:22:36,347
discussion, which is part of the second half of our conversation

1613
01:22:36,347 --> 01:22:38,117
today.

1614
01:22:38,117 --> 01:22:44,357
So going to transition into the fares at this point right

1615
01:22:44,357 --> 01:22:48,227
So the background these fares are proposed to begin mid-year

1616
01:22:48,227 --> 01:22:50,897
in fiscal year 27, and they're estimated to generate

1617
01:22:50,897 --> 01:22:54,347
approximately $80,000 in revenue for this fiscal year

1618
01:22:54,347 --> 01:22:57,407
And we're included as part of the FY 27 adopted budget

1619
01:22:57,407 --> 01:23:00,407
and subsequent fiscal years, we could expect the annual revenue

1620
01:23:00,407 --> 01:23:03,887
for fares to be approximately double the 2027 amount

1621
01:23:03,887 --> 01:23:06,287
at approximately $160,000 per year.

1622
01:23:07,167 --> 01:23:09,167
It should be noted that the intent of these fees

1623
01:23:09,167 --> 01:23:12,770
is not to be a source of revenue to fully offset the cost

1624
01:23:12,770 --> 01:23:15,793
but rather to help cover some of the cost.

1625
01:23:15,793 --> 01:23:18,197
While incentivize users to utilize this service

1626
01:23:18,197 --> 01:23:21,317
to supplement fixed rail, not instead as a replacement

1627
01:23:21,317 --> 01:23:23,870
for fixed route fixed services.

1628
01:23:23,870 --> 01:23:25,670
Still, the most efficient and cost effective

1629
01:23:25,670 --> 01:23:29,717
means of public transportation The main reason that micro-cap

1630
01:23:29,717 --> 01:23:32,627
and staff have not proposed fares prior to F1 27

1631
01:23:32,627 --> 01:23:34,252
was that there was a condition as part

1632
01:23:34,252 --> 01:23:37,670
of the original EIGRP to demonstration grant, which

1633
01:23:37,670 --> 01:23:39,827
was that that was used to start the program,

1634
01:23:39,827 --> 01:23:41,957
as you remember that the service was

1635
01:23:41,957 --> 01:23:44,567
to remain free as a condition of this grant, as that

1636
01:23:44,567 --> 01:23:48,460
was part of the application F y 27 is the first full year.

1637
01:23:48,460 --> 01:23:50,627
That is not governed by the conditions of the grant.

1638
01:23:50,627 --> 01:23:52,547
We have fully met all the conditions of the grant.

1639
01:23:52,547 --> 01:23:53,714
The grant has since expired.

1640
01:23:53,714 --> 01:23:55,379
It is now fully on the county's dollar.

1641
01:23:55,379 --> 01:23:56,837
And so this is the first year we've

1642
01:23:56,837 --> 01:23:58,967
been able to look at the potential of cost

1643
01:23:58,967 --> 01:24:00,857
recovery for this.

1644
01:24:00,857 --> 01:24:04,967
Staff also wanted to point out that the implementation

1645
01:24:04,967 --> 01:24:07,217
of these fares is consistent with the county's

1646
01:24:07,217 --> 01:24:08,687
adopted financial policies.

1647
01:24:08,687 --> 01:24:10,757
I'm not going to read them word for word,

1648
01:24:10,757 --> 01:24:13,787
but it's really consistent with both our revenue diversification

1649
01:24:13,787 --> 01:24:16,585
policy and our user free policy with some

1650
01:24:16,585 --> 01:24:18,377
of the main points highlighted on the slide

1651
01:24:18,377 --> 01:24:22,577
here So in working with our provider

1652
01:24:23,597 --> 01:24:25,937
and researching the types of fares and fare structures,

1653
01:24:25,937 --> 01:24:28,217
there are many different types of fares and models

1654
01:24:28,217 --> 01:24:29,570
for implementation.

1655
01:24:29,570 --> 01:24:32,627
There's the flat fare models various discounted models

1656
01:24:32,627 --> 01:24:34,877
and more trip specific models.

1657
01:24:34,877 --> 01:24:38,387
Is that a fair model or structure has its pros and cons

1658
01:24:38,387 --> 01:24:40,217
and not every type fare type or structure

1659
01:24:40,217 --> 01:24:43,517
is appropriate for each locality or service based on the type

1660
01:24:43,517 --> 01:24:44,807
and level of service provided.

1661
01:24:44,807 --> 01:24:47,747
Each locality must pick the option or options that

1662
01:24:47,747 --> 01:24:49,949
are best for their service in a minute,

1663
01:24:49,949 --> 01:24:51,797
we'll look at what we are recommending

1664
01:24:51,797 --> 01:24:56,327
the options for the micro-cap service in addition

1665
01:24:56,327 --> 01:24:58,847
to the structure and type affairs being charged,

1666
01:24:58,847 --> 01:25:01,457
each locality must determine the proper rate for its service

1667
01:25:01,457 --> 01:25:03,857
and for those using its service.

1668
01:25:03,857 --> 01:25:07,912
As highlighted in blue on the chart here the fare of $2

1669
01:25:07,912 --> 01:25:11,153
is average when compared to the rates charged by micro transit

1670
01:25:11,153 --> 01:25:13,951
services across the U.S. it's not the highest, not the lowest,

1671
01:25:13,951 --> 01:25:16,667
but really on par as the average for what's typically

1672
01:25:16,667 --> 01:25:22,667
being charged for public metro transit services of this type

1673
01:25:23,870 --> 01:25:25,727
So when looking at microcap fares

1674
01:25:25,727 --> 01:25:28,787
in terms of how more county staff are recommending

1675
01:25:28,787 --> 01:25:31,547
to start with a simple fare structure that increases

1676
01:25:31,547 --> 01:25:34,487
the revenues and has a potential to improve some service

1677
01:25:34,487 --> 01:25:37,607
efficiency and using that principle as a framework,

1678
01:25:37,607 --> 01:25:40,322
staff are recommended to use a combination of the three fare

1679
01:25:40,322 --> 01:25:42,517
types that I've shown here on the screen.

1680
01:25:42,517 --> 01:25:44,267
We'll go into a little more detail on each

1681
01:25:44,267 --> 01:25:46,970
of these in the following slides and how

1682
01:25:46,970 --> 01:25:51,107
that would work within the micro-cap fare structure Again

1683
01:25:51,107 --> 01:25:53,177
using the framework of keeping it simple,

1684
01:25:53,177 --> 01:25:56,507
trying to get some revenue to try to increase efficiency,

1685
01:25:56,507 --> 01:25:59,327
we are proposing the structure to start with a flat base

1686
01:25:59,327 --> 01:26:02,327
rate of $2 per ride for a single passenger

1687
01:26:02,327 --> 01:26:06,197
and then a reduced fare of $1 for each additional passenger

1688
01:26:06,197 --> 01:26:08,297
that's picked up at the same location

1689
01:26:08,297 --> 01:26:10,829
to the same destination for that same ride.

1690
01:26:10,829 --> 01:26:13,370
In addition to the discounted rates for shared trips,

1691
01:26:13,370 --> 01:26:14,870
staff are proposing to have rate concessions

1692
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:17,764
for specific groups of riders.

1693
01:26:17,764 --> 01:26:19,847
We will go into more detail on that in next slide.

1694
01:26:19,847 --> 01:26:21,597
But we're really recommending those groups

1695
01:26:21,597 --> 01:26:24,257
to receive a discount be seat inclusive years.

1696
01:26:24,257 --> 01:26:28,457
Individuals with disabilities and low income households

1697
01:26:28,907 --> 01:26:30,836
in terms of ridership impact staff

1698
01:26:30,836 --> 01:26:34,229
is really projecting a slight dip in demand roughly 2 2

1699
01:26:34,229 --> 01:26:37,277
3% based on history and some other localities

1700
01:26:37,277 --> 01:26:39,167
But given the unmet demand we discussed

1701
01:26:39,167 --> 01:26:42,527
earlier in the presentation this would allow us to capture

1702
01:26:42,527 --> 01:26:45,767
and complete more of those rides So overall, we're

1703
01:26:45,767 --> 01:26:48,797
projecting no decrease in the number of rides that are being

1704
01:26:48,797 --> 01:26:52,997
served per week And staff is recommending

1705
01:26:55,907 --> 01:26:58,247
to provide the discounted rate for these certain groups.

1706
01:26:58,247 --> 01:27:00,317
And again, the reduced fares being proposed

1707
01:27:00,317 --> 01:27:02,537
to be half of the base rate.

1708
01:27:02,537 --> 01:27:04,517
So $1 per ride.

1709
01:27:04,517 --> 01:27:07,427
The first group eligible for the reduced fare

1710
01:27:07,427 --> 01:27:09,527
would be, as I said, having multiple passengers

1711
01:27:09,527 --> 01:27:12,767
for the same ride, same location pick up location,

1712
01:27:12,767 --> 01:27:14,687
same origin, destination and booked

1713
01:27:14,687 --> 01:27:17,870
through an original requester.

1714
01:27:17,297 --> 01:27:19,907
Staff believes this structure will promote greater efficiency

1715
01:27:19,907 --> 01:27:23,870
in the system by incentivizing more group rides as opposed

1716
01:27:23,870 --> 01:27:24,467
to those single one off trips.

1717
01:27:24,467 --> 01:27:25,967
Getting more people to ride together

1718
01:27:25,967 --> 01:27:28,715
and putting more people in each trip.

1719
01:27:28,715 --> 01:27:30,257
Next group recommended for fare would

1720
01:27:30,257 --> 01:27:33,622
be seniors over the age of 65.

1721
01:27:33,622 --> 01:27:35,372
we're looking App riders with disabilities

1722
01:27:35,372 --> 01:27:38,147
that would affect their mobility and ability to get around.

1723
01:27:38,147 --> 01:27:41,870
And finally, riders that would classify as low income.

1724
01:27:41,870 --> 01:27:45,770
After speaking with staff from our Human Services Department

1725
01:27:45,770 --> 01:27:49,105
it was determined that using the metric of 60% below 60% AMI

1726
01:27:49,105 --> 01:27:53,327
would be the proper level to set that to be

1727
01:27:53,327 --> 01:27:55,159
consistent with the definition.

1728
01:27:55,159 --> 01:27:56,867
A classification of low income that we've

1729
01:27:56,867 --> 01:28:00,497
been using for other programs throughout the county.

1730
01:28:00,497 --> 01:28:03,257
These reduced reduced rate recommendations

1731
01:28:03,257 --> 01:28:04,457
are the most common types.

1732
01:28:04,457 --> 01:28:07,667
When you're looking at the public micro transit

1733
01:28:07,667 --> 01:28:08,597
services of this type.

1734
01:28:08,597 --> 01:28:11,136
When you look at other localities,

1735
01:28:11,136 --> 01:28:12,678
there are many forms of verification.

1736
01:28:12,678 --> 01:28:14,297
You may be asking, well, how do we verify this?

1737
01:28:14,297 --> 01:28:15,827
There's many forms of verification

1738
01:28:15,827 --> 01:28:17,202
for these types of groups that we

1739
01:28:17,202 --> 01:28:19,847
could look into self-selecting in the app

1740
01:28:19,847 --> 01:28:22,277
some simple form submission from outside of the app that's

1741
01:28:22,277 --> 01:28:26,147
review into a more strict and formal verification

1742
01:28:26,147 --> 01:28:28,277
processes that require more resources.

1743
01:28:28,277 --> 01:28:30,647
Given the resources considerations,

1744
01:28:30,647 --> 01:28:32,537
staff recommending that it be self-select out

1745
01:28:32,537 --> 01:28:35,417
by the users of the service as part of their

1746
01:28:35,417 --> 01:28:38,290
to update part of their user profile within the app.

1747
01:28:38,290 --> 01:28:40,457
Considering the staff resources that would be needed

1748
01:28:40,457 --> 01:28:42,917
and the cost of administration and verification

1749
01:28:42,917 --> 01:28:45,707
other verification processes At this point,

1750
01:28:45,707 --> 01:28:47,747
the self-selecting option seems appears

1751
01:28:47,747 --> 01:28:50,747
to make the most sense to staff and we can always uses

1752
01:28:50,747 --> 01:28:54,947
for 6 to 12 month period period affairs as a sort of pilot

1753
01:28:54,947 --> 01:28:56,477
for this type of verification.

1754
01:28:56,477 --> 01:28:58,697
And look at the data to see from that time period

1755
01:28:58,697 --> 01:29:02,102
to see if we might need a more comprehensive review

1756
01:29:02,102 --> 01:29:03,977
and see if there is a more comprehensive form

1757
01:29:03,977 --> 01:29:06,288
of verification might be needed in the future.

1758
01:29:06,288 --> 01:29:09,407
But looking at this as a pilot to keep it simple,

1759
01:29:09,407 --> 01:29:16,700
keep it easy for this first time around is staff's recommendation

1760
01:29:18,857 --> 01:29:22,397
So to summarize on the fares, staff are recommending

1761
01:29:22,397 --> 01:29:25,517
the microcap start with a simple fare increase revenue

1762
01:29:25,517 --> 01:29:28,685
potential for service efficiency based on our research,

1763
01:29:28,685 --> 01:29:29,872
the $2 for ride.

1764
01:29:29,872 --> 01:29:32,267
Flat fare will do just that.

1765
01:29:32,267 --> 01:29:34,517
Some of the benefits of the recommended fare structure

1766
01:29:34,517 --> 01:29:37,607
and verification process are the simplicity and ease

1767
01:29:37,607 --> 01:29:40,427
of understanding for the microcap riders

1768
01:29:40,427 --> 01:29:42,947
as it has a low cost of administration as compared

1769
01:29:42,947 --> 01:29:46,667
to other robust services and verification processes.

1770
01:29:46,667 --> 01:29:50,297
There's no additional contract costs charged by our provider

1771
01:29:50,297 --> 01:29:54,170
via via excuse me to charge fees and there

1772
01:29:54,170 --> 01:29:56,405
should be a very minimal third party collection

1773
01:29:56,405 --> 01:29:58,697
for the collection is done through a third, third party

1774
01:29:58,697 --> 01:30:02,157
service and that should be around 1% of the revenue

1775
01:30:02,157 --> 01:30:02,657
collected.

1776
01:30:02,657 --> 01:30:05,687
So very minimal fee for their administrative services

1777
01:30:05,687 --> 01:30:07,670
on that side.

1778
01:30:07,670 --> 01:30:08,790
Again we're not intending for these fares

1779
01:30:08,790 --> 01:30:10,457
to fully pay for the service, but rather

1780
01:30:10,457 --> 01:30:13,970
provide that balance between cost considerations

1781
01:30:13,970 --> 01:30:15,347
versus community needs and specialize

1782
01:30:15,347 --> 01:30:17,870
nature of this service.

1783
01:30:17,870 --> 01:30:19,217
The fees meet the intent of two of the counties

1784
01:30:19,217 --> 01:30:21,925
adopted financial policies that I mentioned earlier

1785
01:30:21,925 --> 01:30:24,467
and these fees are the first step in building different rider

1786
01:30:24,467 --> 01:30:27,587
habits to not use this as a substitute for fixed route,

1787
01:30:27,587 --> 01:30:30,857
but rather as a supplement to fixed fares.

1788
01:30:30,857 --> 01:30:33,870
Have than help have been shown to help with unmet demand.

1789
01:30:33,870 --> 01:30:36,317
And they have been shown to increase

1790
01:30:36,317 --> 01:30:41,717
the efficiency of individual rides But we're always sorry.

1791
01:30:44,747 --> 01:30:45,982
Apologize.

1792
01:30:45,982 --> 01:30:47,357
This is my final sign of content.

1793
01:30:47,357 --> 01:30:49,274
Before I turn the discussion over to the board

1794
01:30:49,274 --> 01:30:51,497
chair for questions, discussion and ultimately action

1795
01:30:51,497 --> 01:30:53,664
on the recommended fare structure.

1796
01:30:53,664 --> 01:30:55,997
If the board approves the fare structure recommendation,

1797
01:30:55,997 --> 01:30:57,317
here are kind of the next steps.

1798
01:30:57,317 --> 01:30:59,609
We're really looking at over the next couple of months.

1799
01:30:59,609 --> 01:31:01,277
And until the fares are implemented

1800
01:31:01,277 --> 01:31:03,437
staff would work with or with Cape

1801
01:31:03,437 --> 01:31:06,857
and our partners at Cat and Via to begin the rider education

1802
01:31:06,857 --> 01:31:09,287
process about the coming fares and to make sure riders

1803
01:31:09,287 --> 01:31:12,317
are informed and prepared for this upcoming change.

1804
01:31:12,317 --> 01:31:14,597
We would work with our provider to update the app

1805
01:31:14,597 --> 01:31:17,777
and be ready to begin charging for and collecting

1806
01:31:17,777 --> 01:31:21,887
the fees through the app that folks used to book their rides.

1807
01:31:21,887 --> 01:31:23,807
And finally beginning January 1st,

1808
01:31:23,807 --> 01:31:29,207
we would begin charging for these fees With that,

1809
01:31:30,107 --> 01:31:32,844
I am now going to turn this over to the board chair for question

1810
01:31:32,844 --> 01:31:34,997
discussions and after the discussion,

1811
01:31:34,997 --> 01:31:38,897
if there are no changes, staff's recommendation is to adopt

1812
01:31:38,897 --> 01:31:42,467
the resolution and Attachment A to set the micro-cap fees.

1813
01:31:42,467 --> 01:31:43,217
Thank you.

1814
01:31:43,217 --> 01:31:44,297
Thank you, Mr. Davison.

1815
01:31:44,297 --> 01:31:46,787
Supervisor Malik thank you very much.

1816
01:31:46,787 --> 01:31:50,350
And I appreciate the approach that you are generate.

1817
01:31:50,350 --> 01:31:54,497
You have suggested here i think it's really important

1818
01:31:54,497 --> 01:31:56,777
that there be accountability.

1819
01:31:56,777 --> 01:32:00,257
I been concerned about just giving free taxi

1820
01:32:00,257 --> 01:32:03,257
rides to everybody, especially people who are certainly

1821
01:32:03,257 --> 01:32:05,177
able to contribute something.

1822
01:32:05,177 --> 01:32:07,817
It's not $15, which is probably more

1823
01:32:07,817 --> 01:32:11,187
of a standard Uber ride from the airport to the hospital.

1824
01:32:11,187 --> 01:32:13,877
But I also really appreciate the benefits

1825
01:32:13,877 --> 01:32:15,402
to these people who are able to get

1826
01:32:15,402 --> 01:32:17,777
to work or get to the hospital I get the child to school.

1827
01:32:17,777 --> 01:32:20,237
I mean, they're wonderful reasons to do this.

1828
01:32:20,237 --> 01:32:25,370
So i look forward to your app update

1829
01:32:25,697 --> 01:32:29,902
and the profile could then be verified because someone will

1830
01:32:29,902 --> 01:32:31,743
have access to the profile.

1831
01:32:31,743 --> 01:32:33,257
And that's how they would reserve

1832
01:32:33,257 --> 01:32:35,267
and how they would pay everything else.

1833
01:32:35,267 --> 01:32:39,227
So there's no cash delay that makes the drivers crazy, which

1834
01:32:39,227 --> 01:32:43,427
is important I think an affidavit button

1835
01:32:43,997 --> 01:32:47,417
or something like that in your app

1836
01:32:47,417 --> 01:32:49,697
So people are warned ahead of time

1837
01:32:49,697 --> 01:32:54,525
to be accurate is fair to the people paying the bill.

1838
01:32:54,525 --> 01:32:55,887
The last question I had.

1839
01:32:55,887 --> 01:33:00,470
So the budget for 27 for this current year into this program

1840
01:33:00,470 --> 01:33:02,298
is million dollars or something, right?

1841
01:33:02,298 --> 01:33:03,470
Yeah.

1842
01:33:03,470 --> 01:33:03,917
1.4 million.

1843
01:33:03,917 --> 01:33:05,207
Just over 1.4 million.

1844
01:33:05,207 --> 01:33:07,330
That's significant for sure.

1845
01:33:07,330 --> 01:33:07,945
OK.

1846
01:33:07,945 --> 01:33:09,482
Thank you very much.

1847
01:33:09,482 --> 01:33:13,682
Supervisor Duncan originally i was really hesitant

1848
01:33:15,887 --> 01:33:20,870
about fees and about Africa and General

1849
01:33:20,477 --> 01:33:23,867
so I appreciate sort of throughout the year here

1850
01:33:23,867 --> 01:33:25,907
help me understanding it.

1851
01:33:25,907 --> 01:33:28,127
And I also really appreciate having

1852
01:33:28,127 --> 01:33:33,527
sort of the rationale laid out in our packet

1853
01:33:33,527 --> 01:33:36,257
and it makes sense to me, especially if you're

1854
01:33:36,257 --> 01:33:39,837
trying to get people to do group rides and not just have Sing

1855
01:33:39,837 --> 01:33:44,507
Along Rides So I actually think this is a great thing

1856
01:33:44,507 --> 01:33:46,997
to try and see what happens.

1857
01:33:46,997 --> 01:33:49,607
So I really appreciate how well laid out this was

1858
01:33:49,607 --> 01:33:53,457
and having all of this kind of ready ahead of time.

1859
01:33:53,457 --> 01:33:53,957
Thank you.

1860
01:33:53,957 --> 01:33:55,547
You.

1861
01:33:55,547 --> 01:33:57,947
Supervisor Pruitt Thank you.

1862
01:33:58,907 --> 01:34:00,907
I appreciate it.

1863
01:34:01,996 --> 01:34:07,205
This change, I think My concern to kind of pithily

1864
01:34:07,205 --> 01:34:10,800
capture the various concerns I have about MicroCap generally

1865
01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:14,870
is that it feels like a kind of curious nice

1866
01:34:14,870 --> 01:34:17,927
to have like a fun thing we do and feels

1867
01:34:17,927 --> 01:34:20,280
less part of an integral to transit system.

1868
01:34:20,280 --> 01:34:24,115
And I feel like this is a step toward that I think

1869
01:34:24,115 --> 01:34:26,657
we heard a lot of things just in this very short presentation

1870
01:34:26,657 --> 01:34:29,267
that still point to how it is being treated as a weird

1871
01:34:29,267 --> 01:34:32,301
nice to have that rather than part of our transit system

1872
01:34:32,301 --> 01:34:32,801
right?

1873
01:34:32,801 --> 01:34:35,987
Like if 1 in 4 times when I wait at the bus stop,

1874
01:34:35,987 --> 01:34:38,267
the bus never shows up Yeah, that

1875
01:34:38,267 --> 01:34:40,817
is a disastrous transit system.

1876
01:34:40,817 --> 01:34:42,497
But that is the case with fire, right?

1877
01:34:42,497 --> 01:34:45,377
Like the only time I tried to use via it was in the rain.

1878
01:34:45,377 --> 01:34:52,277
I was commuting from my home on Avon Street to tiptop right

1879
01:34:52,277 --> 01:34:57,197
And I didn't once I walked into the county across free bridge,

1880
01:34:57,197 --> 01:35:00,347
I did not want to walk up in the rain pant ups. Hell,

1881
01:35:00,347 --> 01:35:01,487
15 minute walk back.

1882
01:35:01,487 --> 01:35:04,577
It sucked And so I tried to help.

1883
01:35:04,577 --> 01:35:08,117
And it just told me, no, nothing available.

1884
01:35:08,117 --> 01:35:09,647
It didn't like give me a timeline.

1885
01:35:09,647 --> 01:35:11,777
It didn't explain why nothing was available.

1886
01:35:11,777 --> 01:35:12,917
And that's what people get.

1887
01:35:12,917 --> 01:35:14,261
One fourth of the time, right?

1888
01:35:14,261 --> 01:35:16,787
Like that is not a transit service.

1889
01:35:16,787 --> 01:35:18,107
That's not a transit service.

1890
01:35:18,107 --> 01:35:21,470
Something that I can't rely on for a recurring thing

1891
01:35:21,470 --> 01:35:23,717
is not functioning And similarly,

1892
01:35:23,717 --> 01:35:29,717
like a service that i can use in lieu of fixed route

1893
01:35:29,717 --> 01:35:33,467
to bus all the way up the length of 29

1894
01:35:33,467 --> 01:35:37,127
from my home in South pant hops, if I have one,

1895
01:35:37,127 --> 01:35:39,317
would not be what we want, right?

1896
01:35:39,317 --> 01:35:42,377
So it is there existing problems?

1897
01:35:42,377 --> 01:35:44,837
I think this professional lives.

1898
01:35:44,837 --> 01:35:46,967
Is it it maybe helps integrate it

1899
01:35:46,967 --> 01:35:50,897
and it helps us treat it more like a serious tool, which

1900
01:35:50,897 --> 01:35:52,700
I appreciate it.

1901
01:35:52,700 --> 01:35:55,847
I, I do think the logic behind the income verification

1902
01:35:55,847 --> 01:35:58,577
or rather non verification makes sense

1903
01:35:58,577 --> 01:36:01,667
but I'm going to be intrigued by the program analysis

1904
01:36:01,667 --> 01:36:04,970
on the back end of that, I might suggest

1905
01:36:04,970 --> 01:36:11,570
that in if it is being abused in lieu of a income standard

1906
01:36:11,570 --> 01:36:14,507
at really easy to verify standard

1907
01:36:14,507 --> 01:36:18,725
would be is receiving county services right Right.

1908
01:36:18,725 --> 01:36:21,377
That could be literally a checkbox from someone

1909
01:36:21,377 --> 01:36:23,984
human services who it gets sent to.

1910
01:36:23,984 --> 01:36:25,817
I don't know that anyone from Human Services

1911
01:36:25,817 --> 01:36:27,677
is here to tell me, please don't do that.

1912
01:36:27,677 --> 01:36:31,577
But since they're not here, I can assign them

1913
01:36:31,577 --> 01:36:37,127
that future potential network I think that is all I have.

1914
01:36:37,127 --> 01:36:39,977
But I will be I will be interested to see

1915
01:36:39,977 --> 01:36:43,457
how we are able to continue reconfiguring and reimagining

1916
01:36:43,457 --> 01:36:49,247
this service to make it not just a curious city and instead

1917
01:36:49,247 --> 01:36:50,867
part of an integrated transit system.

1918
01:36:50,867 --> 01:36:53,488
And I'm going to continue Garland

1919
01:36:53,488 --> 01:36:56,147
I'm going to continue to be quite cynical and skeptical

1920
01:36:56,147 --> 01:36:57,770
about this program.

1921
01:36:57,770 --> 01:36:59,987
Every time it comes up until it feels more like a transit

1922
01:36:59,987 --> 01:37:01,987
service supervisor.

1923
01:37:03,257 --> 01:37:04,670
Miguel, thank you.

1924
01:37:04,670 --> 01:37:06,407
Just one quick questions.

1925
01:37:06,407 --> 01:37:09,197
The numbers 1.4 million you said was budgeted.

1926
01:37:09,197 --> 01:37:09,947
Yes, sir.

1927
01:37:09,947 --> 01:37:14,601
The income expected from this is 80,000 for a full fiscal year

1928
01:37:14,601 --> 01:37:17,875
would be approximately 160,000 is what we're estimating

1929
01:37:17,875 --> 01:37:18,917
on the conservative side.

1930
01:37:18,917 --> 01:37:21,437
But since we're only doing six months for the current fiscal

1931
01:37:21,437 --> 01:37:24,647
year, not starting till January to come, in the 80,000,

1932
01:37:24,647 --> 01:37:29,477
we did not want to kick this off immediately after approval

1933
01:37:29,477 --> 01:37:34,922
because as we talked with Mr. Williams and those advisor,

1934
01:37:34,922 --> 01:37:37,967
the biggest piece of this is the driver education Like you've got

1935
01:37:37,967 --> 01:37:40,380
to make sure you educate your users because if you all

1936
01:37:40,380 --> 01:37:42,470
of a sudden spring it on them like, hey,

1937
01:37:42,470 --> 01:37:45,437
we're just approved this we're charging that creates a lot more

1938
01:37:45,437 --> 01:37:47,597
issues, complaints, calls to their service center.

1939
01:37:47,597 --> 01:37:49,805
And so we want to make sure we're properly educating.

1940
01:37:49,805 --> 01:37:54,770
So if people need to find other methods of transportation

1941
01:37:54,770 --> 01:37:56,453
when this may not be feasible for them,

1942
01:37:56,453 --> 01:38:01,826
they can begin making those preparations as well Thank you.

1943
01:38:01,826 --> 01:38:02,674
And so this.

1944
01:38:02,674 --> 01:38:04,631
I apologize if these are basic questions,

1945
01:38:04,631 --> 01:38:08,151
but the grant is expiring or has expired.

1946
01:38:08,151 --> 01:38:09,287
It expired.

1947
01:38:09,287 --> 01:38:12,527
Did we look for other grant opportunities to fulfill that

1948
01:38:12,527 --> 01:38:16,697
or to replace that I, I, I'm going

1949
01:38:16,697 --> 01:38:20,117
to look to Mr. Williams for another shake his head.

1950
01:38:20,117 --> 01:38:23,688
I don't believe we have this was AA1 time demonstrate

1951
01:38:23,688 --> 01:38:24,647
and grant Yeah.

1952
01:38:24,647 --> 01:38:26,873
And typically those are kind of a one time

1953
01:38:26,873 --> 01:38:29,775
show us Yeah, we'll let you see if the program is

1954
01:38:29,775 --> 01:38:31,277
working and works for your community

1955
01:38:31,277 --> 01:38:32,807
and what you would want to do.

1956
01:38:32,807 --> 01:38:35,280
And then once it runs out, a condition of,

1957
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:38,717
of the demonstration grant was you have to do a year of this

1958
01:38:38,717 --> 01:38:40,882
without our grant money on your dime.

1959
01:38:40,882 --> 01:38:41,436
OK.

1960
01:38:41,436 --> 01:38:43,547
And then the grants are technically

1961
01:38:43,547 --> 01:38:46,700
this is our second year of paying for just county.

1962
01:38:46,700 --> 01:38:48,887
Yeah, but it was still under the conditions of the grant in FY 26

1963
01:38:48,887 --> 01:38:52,370
because we still had to do that one year on our own.

1964
01:38:52,370 --> 01:38:53,837
So there might be a potential opportunity

1965
01:38:53,837 --> 01:38:57,802
to replace the fare with a grant in the future.

1966
01:38:57,802 --> 01:38:59,507
We'll be actively look to do that.

1967
01:38:59,507 --> 01:39:02,987
We we're always looking for those opportunities.

1968
01:39:02,987 --> 01:39:05,152
I i'm not a transit expert.

1969
01:39:05,152 --> 01:39:06,955
I don't know what's currently out there

1970
01:39:06,955 --> 01:39:09,497
but I know we're always looking for those opportunities needs

1971
01:39:09,497 --> 01:39:13,227
to be able to do that across our entire transportation network

1972
01:39:13,227 --> 01:39:15,227
And that's I'm sure that's something we would be

1973
01:39:15,227 --> 01:39:16,698
able to bring in front of part of

1974
01:39:16,698 --> 01:39:19,367
as well as we start to look at system

1975
01:39:19,367 --> 01:39:21,550
configuration in the future.

1976
01:39:21,550 --> 01:39:21,680
OK.

1977
01:39:21,680 --> 01:39:22,617
Thank you.

1978
01:39:22,617 --> 01:39:24,827
And then the fair verification piece

1979
01:39:24,827 --> 01:39:26,417
that was also a question I had.

1980
01:39:26,417 --> 01:39:30,177
How do you you know, how do you identify riders

1981
01:39:30,177 --> 01:39:33,550
with 60% AMI or less, etc.

1982
01:39:33,550 --> 01:39:34,970
We've talked around that.

1983
01:39:34,970 --> 01:39:36,900
I think, affidavit, but it's a great idea.

1984
01:39:36,900 --> 01:39:37,967
I think some of the other ideas were good ones.

1985
01:39:37,967 --> 01:39:40,187
I think it'd be important for us to continue

1986
01:39:40,187 --> 01:39:45,770
to pursue that just to try to avoid any abuse of the system.

1987
01:39:45,770 --> 01:39:50,477
Grants and then I maybe ask this question offline.

1988
01:39:50,935 --> 01:39:51,467
That's okay.

1989
01:39:51,467 --> 01:39:51,917
I'm good.

1990
01:39:51,917 --> 01:39:52,417
That's it.

1991
01:39:52,417 --> 01:39:56,500
Thank you for supervisor Mr. Gurley.

1992
01:39:56,500 --> 01:39:59,717
You know I remember when this program started a few years ago

1993
01:39:59,717 --> 01:40:03,797
for half of you were here and this is a great program.

1994
01:40:03,797 --> 01:40:08,870
Frankly this is we've gone from 100 people riding

1995
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:11,177
a day to 180 riding a day.

1996
01:40:11,177 --> 01:40:14,297
So those are people that we are helping

1997
01:40:14,297 --> 01:40:17,808
to get to their location Yes, it was at no cost

1998
01:40:17,808 --> 01:40:19,907
Now it's going to be at a very low cost.

1999
01:40:19,907 --> 01:40:23,267
I think it's going to continue to be successful.

2000
01:40:23,267 --> 01:40:28,367
I think we've we've met our goal as far as ridership

2001
01:40:28,367 --> 01:40:34,457
and over, you know, we've doubled that and kudos to you

2002
01:40:34,457 --> 01:40:38,349
all for that I like the fare structure.

2003
01:40:38,349 --> 01:40:39,557
I think that's going to work.

2004
01:40:39,557 --> 01:40:42,617
I was a first word before it was answered

2005
01:40:42,617 --> 01:40:44,417
that it's not going to be cash.

2006
01:40:44,417 --> 01:40:47,336
So otherwise, I thought, oh my gosh,

2007
01:40:47,336 --> 01:40:48,510
you're going to be held up.

2008
01:40:48,510 --> 01:40:50,297
But anyway, the drivers.

2009
01:40:50,297 --> 01:40:52,700
So this is a good thing.

2010
01:40:52,700 --> 01:40:54,122
And it's all incorporate too, with cat.

2011
01:40:54,122 --> 01:40:55,532
So that's a good thing.

2012
01:40:55,532 --> 01:40:58,457
Could you go to slide five?

2013
01:40:58,457 --> 01:41:01,670
There's something that piqued my interest

2014
01:41:01,670 --> 01:41:04,850
because it came up before that.

2015
01:41:04,850 --> 01:41:07,777
Oh, yeah The top origins and Destiny ations.

2016
01:41:07,777 --> 01:41:10,737
We had discussed this before, and that

2017
01:41:10,737 --> 01:41:15,200
was at Memorial High School I am planning a campus.

2018
01:41:15,200 --> 01:41:19,127
We discussed about students who are late taking micro cat

2019
01:41:19,127 --> 01:41:22,397
or who are using it to get to the high school

2020
01:41:22,397 --> 01:41:27,497
and not taking the school bus or walking or whatever.

2021
01:41:27,497 --> 01:41:32,717
I'm just wondering if you how many are from how many

2022
01:41:32,717 --> 01:41:35,117
go to Albemarle High School Because I

2023
01:41:35,117 --> 01:41:41,177
think you had another another slide that shows you your if you

2024
01:41:41,177 --> 01:41:46,397
needed additional driver time, which one was that Not one.

2025
01:41:46,397 --> 01:41:47,270
Right.

2026
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:49,217
So you need a additional driver hours.

2027
01:41:49,217 --> 01:41:52,520
I what I'm wondering what is the effect maybe

2028
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:53,177
I have a moral high school.

2029
01:41:53,177 --> 01:41:56,104
The students maybe it has no effect on this,

2030
01:41:56,104 --> 01:42:00,470
but I'd like to know, what is the effect How many students

2031
01:42:00,470 --> 01:42:00,772
are doing this?

2032
01:42:00,772 --> 01:42:04,972
Are they monopolizing the lot or not ?

2033
01:42:06,164 --> 01:42:10,661
So I'll start by saying, when this question came up

2034
01:42:10,661 --> 01:42:14,814
in the March work session as well, or coming out of that.

2035
01:42:14,814 --> 01:42:16,637
And we looked into this.

2036
01:42:16,637 --> 01:42:18,790
And what we saw was that typically

2037
01:42:18,790 --> 01:42:23,927
in terms of times of the rides there was a big boost midday

2038
01:42:23,927 --> 01:42:27,260
and kind of towards the end, kind of like afterschool type

2039
01:42:27,260 --> 01:42:28,517
of things there.

2040
01:42:28,517 --> 01:42:32,870
It wasn't as big of a number of riders

2041
01:42:32,870 --> 01:42:33,947
at the beginning of the day as it might,

2042
01:42:33,947 --> 01:42:35,897
as you were mentioning, students that were late for school

2043
01:42:35,897 --> 01:42:36,737
were dropped off.

2044
01:42:36,737 --> 01:42:39,137
There wasn't a big spike there.

2045
01:42:39,137 --> 01:42:41,177
There was a little bit before school,

2046
01:42:41,177 --> 01:42:43,787
which maybe would speak towards staff

2047
01:42:43,787 --> 01:42:47,570
using that as a as the ability to get to and from.

2048
01:42:47,570 --> 01:42:49,250
And so we looked at that.

2049
01:42:49,250 --> 01:42:51,734
And we couldn't say, oh yeah, no, this is definitely

2050
01:42:51,734 --> 01:42:56,477
just folks using it for coming in not wanting to ride the bus

2051
01:42:56,477 --> 01:42:58,670
or they're definitely taking this

2052
01:42:58,670 --> 01:43:01,157
to get home because they don't want to ride the yellow bus.

2053
01:43:01,157 --> 01:43:04,907
The Times weren't the data didn't bear that out

2054
01:43:04,907 --> 01:43:08,807
conclusively So that was kind of how we looked at that.

2055
01:43:08,807 --> 01:43:11,507
And so we can get additional information just

2056
01:43:11,507 --> 01:43:13,700
for that particular one.

2057
01:43:13,700 --> 01:43:13,967
Appreciate it.

2058
01:43:13,967 --> 01:43:16,679
Has fallen as low as we look at this list

2059
01:43:16,679 --> 01:43:18,137
throughout various periods of time.

2060
01:43:18,137 --> 01:43:19,457
It's fallen as low as number nine

2061
01:43:19,457 --> 01:43:21,249
on that list, been as high as number three.

2062
01:43:21,249 --> 01:43:24,827
It kind of the locations don't tend to change,

2063
01:43:24,827 --> 01:43:27,227
but they're the frequency of these locations

2064
01:43:27,227 --> 01:43:30,175
tends to move up and down on the list.

2065
01:43:30,175 --> 01:43:30,770
OK.

2066
01:43:30,770 --> 01:43:32,867
With that, that answers my question.

2067
01:43:32,867 --> 01:43:33,863
And thank you.

2068
01:43:33,863 --> 01:43:35,327
I mean, for looking at i don't want

2069
01:43:35,327 --> 01:43:37,457
you to do any additional work with that.

2070
01:43:37,457 --> 01:43:39,462
Sounds like you're already on top of it.

2071
01:43:39,462 --> 01:43:43,817
And the you know, students using it and everything.

2072
01:43:43,817 --> 01:43:46,637
So that's all the questions i have.

2073
01:43:46,637 --> 01:43:47,845
Thank you.

2074
01:43:47,845 --> 01:43:49,220
That was going to be my question.

2075
01:43:49,220 --> 01:43:51,857
One of the things that is kind of common out there

2076
01:43:51,857 --> 01:43:54,377
in the world relative to fares, fees, things like that

2077
01:43:54,377 --> 01:43:58,600
is a student rate And I don't see a student rate here.

2078
01:43:58,600 --> 01:44:02,387
You put the $1, you know, like that seems to me

2079
01:44:02,387 --> 01:44:06,407
to be a something that both for seniors and for students

2080
01:44:06,407 --> 01:44:08,147
that that's something that you could do.

2081
01:44:08,147 --> 01:44:10,337
I mean, I think it's pretty clear that Albemarle

2082
01:44:10,337 --> 01:44:12,947
and the students are using at 1600 as 4:00.

2083
01:44:12,947 --> 01:44:15,420
That's right When 350 is when the bell rings.

2084
01:44:15,420 --> 01:44:16,337
And that whole campus.

2085
01:44:16,337 --> 01:44:19,577
So I don't know that I would be quick to say they just don't

2086
01:44:19,577 --> 01:44:20,877
want to ride the school bus.

2087
01:44:20,877 --> 01:44:21,377
Right.

2088
01:44:21,377 --> 01:44:23,440
I would suggest somewhere and I wouldn't either.

2089
01:44:23,440 --> 01:44:25,607
If it takes an hour to get home and I could get home

2090
01:44:25,607 --> 01:44:27,107
in ten minutes, why the hell would I

2091
01:44:27,107 --> 01:44:28,967
would I not take quicker cut?

2092
01:44:28,967 --> 01:44:30,775
But the high school is more piece

2093
01:44:30,775 --> 01:44:32,567
where the school bus runs right at the bell

2094
01:44:32,567 --> 01:44:33,377
at the end of the day.

2095
01:44:33,377 --> 01:44:34,607
But if you have an activity, you have

2096
01:44:34,607 --> 01:44:35,777
to stay late to see a teacher You

2097
01:44:35,777 --> 01:44:37,270
have to do anything like that.

2098
01:44:37,270 --> 01:44:39,467
The service becomes an alternative way

2099
01:44:39,467 --> 01:44:42,767
than to wait around for yet another bus or activity bus

2100
01:44:42,767 --> 01:44:46,187
or something like that that may run later.

2101
01:44:46,187 --> 01:44:47,928
So I think there's more to it than that.

2102
01:44:47,928 --> 01:44:50,747
And frankly, don't care Love that the students are using it,

2103
01:44:50,747 --> 01:44:51,257
frankly.

2104
01:44:51,257 --> 01:44:52,997
That's fine with me.

2105
01:44:52,997 --> 01:44:55,637
Garland you can always use me as the Prewitt synthesis

2106
01:44:55,637 --> 01:44:58,217
and shield if he ever comes at you too hard,

2107
01:44:58,217 --> 01:45:00,696
because I will continue to be a fan of this.

2108
01:45:00,696 --> 01:45:03,170
And can counterpoint a lot of things

2109
01:45:03,170 --> 01:45:06,227
But Rio district residents are using this as their transit

2110
01:45:06,227 --> 01:45:10,157
service It's just happening And I always

2111
01:45:10,157 --> 01:45:11,537
use the wood brook to Kroger.

2112
01:45:11,537 --> 01:45:14,297
It's not that far They'll never be a fixed route that

2113
01:45:14,297 --> 01:45:16,847
runs from Wood Brook to Kroger.

2114
01:45:16,847 --> 01:45:19,722
And if there is one, it'll have to be circular and go around

2115
01:45:19,722 --> 01:45:22,970
where the micropub it's always going to be the faster way

2116
01:45:22,970 --> 01:45:25,996
and I don't want them walking across the aisle across 29.

2117
01:45:25,996 --> 01:45:28,670
So happy to have that happen.

2118
01:45:28,670 --> 01:45:31,370
I think the fee piece will be easily accepted

2119
01:45:31,370 --> 01:45:34,157
because from the get go we did a good job of saying

2120
01:45:34,157 --> 01:45:36,317
there will eventually be a fee.

2121
01:45:36,317 --> 01:45:38,897
So every time I remind folks of that,

2122
01:45:38,897 --> 01:45:41,910
it's not What are you talking about?

2123
01:45:41,910 --> 01:45:44,450
It's Yeah okay, we understand.

2124
01:45:44,450 --> 01:45:47,357
And that's, again just dealing with my districts,

2125
01:45:47,357 --> 01:45:50,537
folks that I know who are using Micro Cat on a regular basis,

2126
01:45:50,537 --> 01:45:53,537
I would like to know, though, because there's talk about

2127
01:45:53,537 --> 01:45:56,357
fixed routes and micro cat could inform it

2128
01:45:56,357 --> 01:45:59,537
because a lot of the places that Micro Cat is currently

2129
01:45:59,537 --> 01:46:03,561
operating in just don't have fixed routes period right now.

2130
01:46:03,561 --> 01:46:06,797
They could serve it and at some point

2131
01:46:06,797 --> 01:46:08,927
when I don't expect this can be answered today.

2132
01:46:08,927 --> 01:46:13,259
So this is like a foreshadowing the budget time At some point,

2133
01:46:13,259 --> 01:46:16,997
we should have some data or information to theorize

2134
01:46:16,997 --> 01:46:20,537
the cost of putting a fixed route in places in the county

2135
01:46:20,537 --> 01:46:24,367
that don't currently have one or move it from 60 Minutes to 30

2136
01:46:24,367 --> 01:46:27,380
or 30 to 15 minutes like I know some other stuff's happening

2137
01:46:27,380 --> 01:46:31,157
versus the micro cat, so that the board could eventually

2138
01:46:31,157 --> 01:46:34,367
go, well, which ones more cost efficient to go

2139
01:46:34,367 --> 01:46:36,347
ahead and continue providing the micro cat

2140
01:46:36,347 --> 01:46:39,647
or expand or get this fixed route in in conjunction

2141
01:46:39,647 --> 01:46:42,227
with or just replace it with fixed round

2142
01:46:42,227 --> 01:46:46,517
and via alluded to being able to do that kind of theorizing

2143
01:46:46,517 --> 01:46:47,537
at one point.

2144
01:46:47,537 --> 01:46:50,250
So I feel like we're far enough along that we

2145
01:46:50,250 --> 01:46:52,208
should be able to have that level of discussion

2146
01:46:52,208 --> 01:46:53,330
at budget time.

2147
01:46:53,330 --> 01:46:54,681
So we can look at 1.4 million.

2148
01:46:54,681 --> 01:46:57,347
We can look at the millions for the fixed routes

2149
01:46:57,347 --> 01:47:00,917
and start to go, okay, how can we make improvements

2150
01:47:00,917 --> 01:47:03,527
and what's the most cost effective way to do it?

2151
01:47:03,527 --> 01:47:05,897
My guess is it'll be a combo pack, right?

2152
01:47:05,897 --> 01:47:10,443
Of the micro cat and the fixed routes But so

2153
01:47:10,443 --> 01:47:13,642
that's just a request for future budget type.

2154
01:47:13,642 --> 01:47:16,420
This the lead time.

2155
01:47:17,570 --> 01:47:17,867
I appreciate that.

2156
01:47:17,867 --> 01:47:19,750
That was one of my questions.

2157
01:47:19,750 --> 01:47:22,472
So the education plan is going to be important.

2158
01:47:22,472 --> 01:47:25,697
And then do you own the profile for the app?

2159
01:47:25,697 --> 01:47:26,717
I just I don't know.

2160
01:47:26,717 --> 01:47:30,527
Do minors have to have their can they have their own profile

2161
01:47:30,527 --> 01:47:32,147
or do adults have to set it up?

2162
01:47:32,147 --> 01:47:35,237
So if I'm a 15 year old riding micro cat,

2163
01:47:35,237 --> 01:47:38,987
do i have my 15 year old individual profile

2164
01:47:38,987 --> 01:47:41,537
or does my parents set that up?

2165
01:47:41,537 --> 01:47:42,617
I'm unsure.

2166
01:47:42,617 --> 01:47:43,937
Mr. Williams, do you hear?

2167
01:47:43,937 --> 01:47:46,670
And I don't really need to know that.

2168
01:47:46,670 --> 01:47:48,347
But the thing that makes me concerned

2169
01:47:48,347 --> 01:47:51,767
is if once we go to paid the 50 year old

2170
01:47:51,767 --> 01:47:53,957
might not have the credit card or whatever

2171
01:47:53,957 --> 01:47:56,237
is going to be asked to make the payment right.

2172
01:47:56,237 --> 01:48:00,827
And we may want to just think about the logistics of that

2173
01:48:00,827 --> 01:48:03,677
via probable plea has already dealt with this.

2174
01:48:03,677 --> 01:48:06,331
So it may just be our report back kind of deal.

2175
01:48:06,331 --> 01:48:10,697
How we'll handle that But I would definitely

2176
01:48:10,697 --> 01:48:12,737
you know, for folks that are kids

2177
01:48:12,737 --> 01:48:14,957
can drive their own cars at 16.

2178
01:48:14,957 --> 01:48:17,570
So I would imagine anything below 16

2179
01:48:17,570 --> 01:48:18,587
might be the threshold for something

2180
01:48:18,587 --> 01:48:22,111
where okay, they might need some other type of profile,

2181
01:48:22,111 --> 01:48:23,185
but the individual.

2182
01:48:23,185 --> 01:48:25,190
I don't know if the drivers are checking.

2183
01:48:25,190 --> 01:48:26,477
Does this look like, you know, when

2184
01:48:26,477 --> 01:48:28,127
I get in Lyft, sometimes they're double

2185
01:48:28,127 --> 01:48:29,957
checking to make I have to give them a code

2186
01:48:29,957 --> 01:48:32,985
and do all these things to make sure I'm the rider

2187
01:48:32,985 --> 01:48:35,664
And I would imagine VI is handled all that.

2188
01:48:35,664 --> 01:48:37,367
And I only other thing I'd like to know

2189
01:48:37,367 --> 01:48:40,427
is how you're getting from the airport to the hospital for 15

2190
01:48:40,427 --> 01:48:43,887
bucks with local Uber or Lyft because right now I just looked

2191
01:48:43,887 --> 01:48:44,387
at it.

2192
01:48:44,387 --> 01:48:46,847
If I wanted to go home to railroad, it's 15 bucks

2193
01:48:46,847 --> 01:48:49,787
and I don't often see it lower than $15.

2194
01:48:49,787 --> 01:48:51,737
And this is down to do anything.

2195
01:48:51,737 --> 01:48:52,607
Once or twice.

2196
01:48:52,607 --> 01:48:55,247
Nine bucks is the cheapest I've seen it.

2197
01:48:55,247 --> 01:48:58,362
Lyft generally is cheaper, it seems like, in our town

2198
01:48:58,362 --> 01:48:59,710
than Uber.

2199
01:48:59,710 --> 01:49:01,607
But that's a tangent or sidebar.

2200
01:49:01,607 --> 01:49:06,770
Any other quick comments Just one thing to add.

2201
01:49:06,770 --> 01:49:09,767
I think the benefit the after school activities kids getting

2202
01:49:09,767 --> 01:49:12,257
to a job, if they have to wait for hours

2203
01:49:12,257 --> 01:49:14,963
to get home they can never get to a job after school.

2204
01:49:14,963 --> 01:49:15,750
And so on.

2205
01:49:15,750 --> 01:49:18,797
That's if the grandparent or whatever isn't able to get them,

2206
01:49:18,797 --> 01:49:21,167
as many grandparents have forever.

2207
01:49:21,167 --> 01:49:23,597
That's really important use for this.

2208
01:49:23,597 --> 01:49:26,267
I know we've received recent information from our county

2209
01:49:26,267 --> 01:49:29,265
attorney about the board authority for oversight

2210
01:49:29,265 --> 01:49:31,307
of budgets and school budgets being one of those.

2211
01:49:31,307 --> 01:49:36,107
And if this is becoming a significant participation

2212
01:49:36,167 --> 01:49:39,770
element in school transportation then they

2213
01:49:39,770 --> 01:49:40,577
need to accommodate that.

2214
01:49:40,577 --> 01:49:46,997
This is not something we should pay twice for and the i just am

2215
01:49:46,997 --> 01:49:49,295
permanently scarred from the early 2000s,

2216
01:49:49,295 --> 01:49:53,207
when it was $100 taxi ride for tourists from the airport

2217
01:49:53,207 --> 01:49:54,587
to the army.

2218
01:49:54,587 --> 01:49:56,447
Welcome to Albemarle.

2219
01:49:56,447 --> 01:49:57,598
It was an awful.

2220
01:49:57,598 --> 01:50:00,617
So I that regulation that's happened at the airport

2221
01:50:00,617 --> 01:50:02,957
since then has helped with that somewhat.

2222
01:50:02,957 --> 01:50:07,757
But this is all part of that same same stuff.

2223
01:50:07,757 --> 01:50:08,637
So thank you.

2224
01:50:08,637 --> 01:50:09,137
All right.

2225
01:50:09,137 --> 01:50:11,747
Do we are we ready for motion?

2226
01:50:11,747 --> 01:50:13,288
Who would like to make that motion?

2227
01:50:13,288 --> 01:50:14,717
I'm just going to make a motion.

2228
01:50:14,717 --> 01:50:20,717
Oh, sure I move that the board adopts the resolution

2229
01:50:21,527 --> 01:50:25,707
to set the micro-cap fees Attachment a second.

2230
01:50:25,707 --> 01:50:26,207
All right.

2231
01:50:26,207 --> 01:50:27,677
The motion has been made and seconded.

2232
01:50:27,677 --> 01:50:30,137
Without objection that the clerk will please call the roll

2233
01:50:30,137 --> 01:50:31,247
Mr. Pizza.

2234
01:50:31,247 --> 01:50:32,387
I miss Malik.

2235
01:50:32,387 --> 01:50:33,557
Yes, Mr. Missal.

2236
01:50:33,557 --> 01:50:34,727
All right, Mr. Pruitt.

2237
01:50:34,727 --> 01:50:37,970
I miss Duncan Yes, Mr. Galloway.

2238
01:50:37,970 --> 01:50:37,847
Yes.

2239
01:50:37,847 --> 01:50:38,477
Very good.

2240
01:50:38,477 --> 01:50:39,170
Thank you.

2241
01:50:39,170 --> 01:50:43,167
Thank you both Thank you, Garland Yep.

2242
01:50:43,167 --> 01:50:43,667
All right.

2243
01:50:43,667 --> 01:50:45,557
Board will move to item number 11.

2244
01:50:45,557 --> 01:50:48,887
And this is our work session on the 2027 draft

2245
01:50:48,887 --> 01:50:50,777
Legislative priorities.

2246
01:50:50,777 --> 01:50:53,417
We've got Mr. Herrick, Mr. Blunt and Ms..

2247
01:50:53,417 --> 01:51:01,217
Kilroy i all with us today Yes Good afternoon And there you go.

2248
01:51:07,457 --> 01:51:09,497
I need to take the training class again.

2249
01:51:09,497 --> 01:51:12,770
I don't remember what we're supposed to do here.

2250
01:51:12,770 --> 01:51:14,327
Emily Kilroy, director of economic development,

2251
01:51:14,327 --> 01:51:16,667
joined by Andy Herrick and David Blunt

2252
01:51:16,667 --> 01:51:19,459
for the second work session for your legislative priorities

2253
01:51:19,459 --> 01:51:23,659
for the 2027 General Assembly legislative session Today,

2254
01:51:26,327 --> 01:51:30,167
we'll go through some strategy updates for 2027.

2255
01:51:30,167 --> 01:51:33,413
The draft documents that were part of your packet for today.

2256
01:51:33,413 --> 01:51:35,870
And then the next steps taking us

2257
01:51:35,870 --> 01:51:39,527
through the end of the calendar year and the 2027 strategy

2258
01:51:39,527 --> 01:51:42,107
updates And this is the pie chart

2259
01:51:42,107 --> 01:51:45,347
that we show at most of these work sessions and that talks

2260
01:51:45,347 --> 01:51:48,767
about using the legislative program to focus

2261
01:51:48,767 --> 01:51:53,247
on local albemarle specific items, leveraging in the region.

2262
01:51:53,247 --> 01:51:55,699
The work that PVC does for regional items,

2263
01:51:55,699 --> 01:52:00,947
and then leveraging Vigo and VML and others for statewide items

2264
01:52:00,947 --> 01:52:04,997
to talk a little bit about some of the dynamics

2265
01:52:04,997 --> 01:52:07,487
at play heading into 2027, I'm going

2266
01:52:07,487 --> 01:52:10,970
to invite Mr. Blunt forward to talk more

2267
01:52:10,970 --> 01:52:15,770
at a statewide level Good afternoon, Mr. Chair.

2268
01:52:16,787 --> 01:52:19,795
Members of the board, David Blunt with t.J. PVC,

2269
01:52:19,795 --> 01:52:22,125
this is my one slide today.

2270
01:52:22,125 --> 01:52:24,290
So i'll be very brief.

2271
01:52:24,290 --> 01:52:26,957
Just kind of a big picture look at the upcoming general Assembly

2272
01:52:26,957 --> 01:52:29,957
session at the beginning of 2027.

2273
01:52:30,407 --> 01:52:34,157
As you may recall the odd numbered years are short

2274
01:52:34,157 --> 01:52:37,727
sessions which means 46 days rather than the long session

2275
01:52:37,727 --> 01:52:41,297
of 60 days with that short session does come some

2276
01:52:41,297 --> 01:52:44,897
limitation is on the legislators in terms of the number of bills

2277
01:52:44,897 --> 01:52:49,577
that they can introduce and for this upcoming session that will

2278
01:52:49,577 --> 01:52:53,747
be 15 bills that can be introduced that are to be pre

2279
01:52:53,747 --> 01:52:58,370
filed pre filed means that legislation is introduced

2280
01:52:58,370 --> 01:53:02,177
by the morning of the first day of the session to get those

2281
01:53:02,177 --> 01:53:05,537
bills rolling The legislators have a deadline of November 30th

2282
01:53:05,537 --> 01:53:08,507
of which to request a draft of their bills from the Division

2283
01:53:08,507 --> 01:53:12,560
of Legislative Services and then, as you know,

2284
01:53:12,560 --> 01:53:14,957
where I guess a little over two months

2285
01:53:14,957 --> 01:53:18,167
since the general Assembly finally adopted a budget

2286
01:53:18,167 --> 01:53:20,927
and it was enacted just a day before the end

2287
01:53:20,927 --> 01:53:22,547
of the fiscal year.

2288
01:53:22,547 --> 01:53:26,867
Yet three months from now Governor Bambinger will

2289
01:53:26,867 --> 01:53:29,987
be presenting proposed changes she is recommending

2290
01:53:29,987 --> 01:53:33,144
to the legislature for the biennial budget

2291
01:53:33,144 --> 01:53:36,847
that's in place and that will occur on December 17.

2292
01:53:36,847 --> 01:53:40,517
Legislators then have a shot at submitting their own budget

2293
01:53:40,517 --> 01:53:41,270
amendments.

2294
01:53:41,270 --> 01:53:43,670
They will do that in early January.

2295
01:53:43,670 --> 01:53:46,370
And they have to be submitted right after the beginning

2296
01:53:46,370 --> 01:53:47,297
of the session.

2297
01:53:47,297 --> 01:53:50,357
And then just to wrap it up, just the general overarching

2298
01:53:50,357 --> 01:53:53,747
timeline, first day of the session is the second Wednesday

2299
01:53:53,747 --> 01:53:55,787
of January the 13th.

2300
01:53:55,787 --> 01:53:59,927
We get to what's called the crossover period February 9th is

2301
01:53:59,927 --> 01:54:04,217
the Tuesday at which all bills and their originating chamber

2302
01:54:04,217 --> 01:54:07,127
have to have been acted upon the following day.

2303
01:54:07,127 --> 01:54:10,577
The 10th is when those bills actually quote unquote cross

2304
01:54:10,577 --> 01:54:13,397
over to be considered by the opposite chamber.

2305
01:54:13,397 --> 01:54:19,370
And then if all goes well adjournment would be scheduled

2306
01:54:19,370 --> 01:54:20,803
for February the 27th.

2307
01:54:20,803 --> 01:54:24,647
It's scheduled for 24 the 27th of February.

2308
01:54:24,647 --> 01:54:28,970
But it seems to be more routine in recent years

2309
01:54:28,970 --> 01:54:30,407
that the session is extended.

2310
01:54:30,407 --> 01:54:32,687
So there was probably some extent incentive

2311
01:54:32,687 --> 01:54:36,955
to get out on time in 2027 because the November

2312
01:54:36,955 --> 01:54:41,870
20, 27 elections will be coming up very quickly after that.

2313
01:54:41,870 --> 01:54:42,391
So thank you.

2314
01:54:42,391 --> 01:54:48,391
Be glad to answer any questions at the appropriate time

2315
01:54:49,427 --> 01:54:51,407
I see that Miss Kilroy is volunteering

2316
01:54:51,407 --> 01:54:54,770
or I think she's volunteering to move the slides for me.

2317
01:54:54,770 --> 01:54:56,417
I'm next to Andy here at County Attorney

2318
01:54:56,417 --> 01:54:59,987
and so I'm going to be walking a board through the materials that

2319
01:54:59,987 --> 01:55:04,787
are attached to your pAC agenda package today.

2320
01:55:04,907 --> 01:55:06,617
If you go to the next slide.

2321
01:55:06,617 --> 01:55:08,747
So as we go through, it seemed it just so

2322
01:55:08,747 --> 01:55:11,211
happens that all of our materials begin with p.

2323
01:55:11,211 --> 01:55:13,877
We've got a legislative program that

2324
01:55:13,877 --> 01:55:16,997
has a priority and a print and some principles,

2325
01:55:16,997 --> 01:55:19,787
as well as a separate document with position ins.

2326
01:55:19,787 --> 01:55:22,697
And I just want to explain what the principles and positions

2327
01:55:22,697 --> 01:55:25,427
where the principles are that sort of the guiding

2328
01:55:25,427 --> 01:55:29,270
ideas behind the county's legislative approach.

2329
01:55:29,444 --> 01:55:32,477
What we would like for the legislators

2330
01:55:32,477 --> 01:55:36,197
to remember as we go about the general Assembly session,

2331
01:55:36,197 --> 01:55:38,870
the positions go more in depth.

2332
01:55:38,870 --> 01:55:42,191
And so they're in sort of a separate separate document

2333
01:55:42,191 --> 01:55:44,419
that we consider sort of an NXT the ledger,

2334
01:55:44,419 --> 01:55:46,157
to the main legislative program that we

2335
01:55:46,157 --> 01:55:48,197
have with the legislative program

2336
01:55:48,197 --> 01:55:51,350
being Attachment A and the legislative positions

2337
01:55:51,350 --> 01:55:53,327
or at least the draft versions of those being attached.

2338
01:55:53,327 --> 01:55:55,700
And B, if you go to the next slide

2339
01:55:55,700 --> 01:55:58,337
and so you can see here that the legislator two program consists

2340
01:55:58,337 --> 01:56:01,877
of a legislative prior Te as well as legislative principles

2341
01:56:01,877 --> 01:56:04,547
Next slide, please And the legislative priorities

2342
01:56:04,547 --> 01:56:07,157
as we discussed at the initial session on this

2343
01:56:07,157 --> 01:56:10,967
when we went into the 2026 General Assembly session,

2344
01:56:10,967 --> 01:56:14,117
the county had four legislative priorities

2345
01:56:14,117 --> 01:56:17,333
and we were very pleased to report that three of those

2346
01:56:17,333 --> 01:56:19,607
had been adopted by the 2026 Assembly

2347
01:56:19,607 --> 01:56:20,867
with the one out standing,

2348
01:56:20,867 --> 01:56:24,527
one being the ability to use or expanded ability

2349
01:56:24,527 --> 01:56:28,667
to use the photo speed monitoring devices

2350
01:56:28,667 --> 01:56:31,427
The board gave us clear feedback at the prior work

2351
01:56:31,427 --> 01:56:35,570
session that the board wanted us to continue with that

2352
01:56:35,570 --> 01:56:39,401
as a priority So that has been retained as the county's

2353
01:56:39,401 --> 01:56:40,487
legislative priority.

2354
01:56:40,487 --> 01:56:44,777
In our first draft legislative program Next slide, please.

2355
01:56:44,777 --> 01:56:49,187
And in addition, we have a list of Eight pro principles listed.

2356
01:56:49,187 --> 01:56:55,787
Again, these are sort of the high, high level guiding concept

2357
01:56:56,870 --> 01:56:59,270
that we have behind the legislative program

2358
01:56:59,270 --> 01:57:01,697
dealing with economic development, growth management,

2359
01:57:01,697 --> 01:57:03,977
environmental protection and land use, health

2360
01:57:03,977 --> 01:57:07,547
and human services, housing local government finance

2361
01:57:07,547 --> 01:57:10,397
public safety, solid waste and transport tation.

2362
01:57:10,397 --> 01:57:14,477
Again, each of these has very high level ideas and concepts

2363
01:57:14,477 --> 01:57:17,297
that we can pass along to legislators as they're

2364
01:57:17,297 --> 01:57:20,927
considering various bills in the upcoming session Next slide.

2365
01:57:20,927 --> 01:57:24,438
And then we go on to the legislative positions document.

2366
01:57:24,438 --> 01:57:29,501
And again, this is more detailed We had scoped it down from,

2367
01:57:29,501 --> 01:57:35,397
I believe 48 or 49 two years ago to 28 last year down to 26

2368
01:57:35,397 --> 01:57:35,897
this year.

2369
01:57:35,897 --> 01:57:38,717
We were able to address some broadband issues

2370
01:57:38,717 --> 01:57:40,655
during the past year.

2371
01:57:40,655 --> 01:57:43,667
And there are some broadband Internet access

2372
01:57:43,667 --> 01:57:48,587
issues that remain this year as well as more detailed statements

2373
01:57:48,587 --> 01:57:51,797
about economic development growth management, health

2374
01:57:51,797 --> 01:57:55,217
and human services, housing, local government administration

2375
01:57:55,217 --> 01:57:57,590
and finance and public safety.

2376
01:57:57,590 --> 01:57:58,517
So you'll see some correlate action

2377
01:57:58,517 --> 01:58:00,587
between these legislative positions

2378
01:58:00,587 --> 01:58:04,307
and the legislative principles with these position positions

2379
01:58:04,307 --> 01:58:09,107
being more in depth statement by next slide.

2380
01:58:09,197 --> 01:58:11,627
So there were several proposals at the work session

2381
01:58:11,627 --> 01:58:15,677
Supervisor Pruitt specifically made several requests regarding

2382
01:58:15,677 --> 01:58:18,467
taxing authority bond authority, and I

2383
01:58:18,467 --> 01:58:20,807
wanted to address why some of those

2384
01:58:20,807 --> 01:58:23,297
had made it into our legislative positions.

2385
01:58:23,297 --> 01:58:25,697
Documents and others had not.

2386
01:58:25,697 --> 01:58:29,537
There is a suggestion in that counties have the same bond

2387
01:58:29,537 --> 01:58:32,387
issuance be able to issue general obligation

2388
01:58:32,387 --> 01:58:36,767
bonds without a referendum That is a power that

2389
01:58:36,767 --> 01:58:40,577
counties currently have If they make a one time election to get

2390
01:58:40,577 --> 01:58:44,518
the same authority as city asset in issuing

2391
01:58:44,518 --> 01:58:46,639
that transitional authority would

2392
01:58:46,639 --> 01:58:48,527
itself require a referendum.

2393
01:58:48,527 --> 01:58:51,807
So in other words if the county were to go to county residents

2394
01:58:51,807 --> 01:58:55,380
and ask for the authority to be treated as a city,

2395
01:58:55,380 --> 01:58:58,247
the county could then issue general obligation bonds

2396
01:58:58,247 --> 01:59:03,467
going forward without needing subsequent referenda If we were

2397
01:59:03,467 --> 01:59:05,747
to seek for that, for counties statewide

2398
01:59:05,747 --> 01:59:07,369
to have that authority would require

2399
01:59:07,369 --> 01:59:08,927
a constitutional amendment.

2400
01:59:08,927 --> 01:59:10,325
Not saying it can't be done.

2401
01:59:10,325 --> 01:59:13,277
But that would be a heavier lift than than the county typically

2402
01:59:13,277 --> 01:59:16,217
advocates for, at least as a matter of first impression

2403
01:59:16,217 --> 01:59:18,467
in its legislative program.

2404
01:59:18,467 --> 01:59:19,997
Another suggestion was that we look

2405
01:59:19,997 --> 01:59:23,270
at decoupling machinery and tools, tax and personal property

2406
01:59:23,270 --> 01:59:27,572
tax rates again, this is an idea where the current setup is

2407
01:59:27,572 --> 01:59:31,397
that localities can have different rates for machinery

2408
01:59:31,397 --> 01:59:33,437
and tools and for personal property tax,

2409
01:59:33,437 --> 01:59:36,407
but the machinery and tools rate has to be lower.

2410
01:59:36,407 --> 01:59:38,897
So this wouldn't require a constitutional amendment

2411
01:59:38,897 --> 01:59:41,987
It would be sort of a new concept for state legislators

2412
01:59:41,987 --> 01:59:45,107
that they probably haven't been introduced to previously.

2413
01:59:45,107 --> 01:59:46,667
Again, not saying it can't be done,

2414
01:59:46,667 --> 01:59:48,292
but it's typically not something that's

2415
01:59:48,292 --> 01:59:51,510
undertaken as a matter of first impression in our

2416
01:59:51,510 --> 01:59:53,927
in our legislative program, at least without further board

2417
01:59:53,927 --> 01:59:59,237
discussion One item that we have incorporated in this draft

2418
01:59:59,237 --> 02:00:02,477
legislative position is out of state vehicle tagging

2419
02:00:02,477 --> 02:00:06,557
and that's especially relevant given the number of out of state

2420
02:00:06,557 --> 02:00:09,107
students that are present in the county

2421
02:00:09,107 --> 02:00:13,307
It is possible to seek that authority.

2422
02:00:13,607 --> 02:00:16,607
Currently state law exempts vehicles

2423
02:00:17,447 --> 02:00:20,627
that even though they may be regularly garage parked

2424
02:00:20,627 --> 02:00:24,415
or stored in Albemarle County if they have out-of-state tags

2425
02:00:24,415 --> 02:00:27,121
they are typically not taxed in Virginia.

2426
02:00:27,121 --> 02:00:29,777
That could be changed at the state level

2427
02:00:29,777 --> 02:00:31,937
we would need to avoid double taxation.

2428
02:00:31,937 --> 02:00:35,927
We need to have we need to avoid a situation where somebody we're

2429
02:00:35,927 --> 02:00:38,897
paying taxes in another state on a vehicle.

2430
02:00:38,897 --> 02:00:41,297
And then also being subjected to the same taxes.

2431
02:00:41,297 --> 02:00:42,347
In Virginia.

2432
02:00:42,347 --> 02:00:44,357
It's possible, though, that the General Assembly

2433
02:00:44,357 --> 02:00:47,846
could pass some sort of law giving folks a credit on taxes

2434
02:00:47,846 --> 02:00:49,228
paid to other states.

2435
02:00:49,228 --> 02:00:52,157
And then go ahead and tax them in Virginia for the difference.

2436
02:00:52,157 --> 02:00:56,123
Anyway, something to consider And I know that in prior years,

2437
02:00:56,123 --> 02:00:58,248
we've asked the General Assembly to study or cancel

2438
02:00:58,248 --> 02:01:00,744
siddur certain ideas and so that's

2439
02:01:00,744 --> 02:01:03,292
how staff is proposing that we put this

2440
02:01:03,292 --> 02:01:05,927
as a position and the current legislative program

2441
02:01:05,927 --> 02:01:08,297
asking the General Assembly to take a look at this

2442
02:01:08,297 --> 02:01:11,927
at the possibility of taxing vehicles that are locally

2443
02:01:11,927 --> 02:01:13,577
a garage parked or stored.

2444
02:01:13,577 --> 02:01:15,887
But giving them a credit on taxes that they may

2445
02:01:15,887 --> 02:01:18,707
have paid to other states Just as saying for the assembly

2446
02:01:18,707 --> 02:01:19,736
to take a look at.

2447
02:01:19,736 --> 02:01:21,573
So that's my part of the presentation.

2448
02:01:21,573 --> 02:01:23,369
I'll turn it back over to Ms..

2449
02:01:23,369 --> 02:01:23,869
Ms..

2450
02:01:23,869 --> 02:01:27,469
Kilroy to continue State transportation funding

2451
02:01:28,181 --> 02:01:32,932
has been important conversation that this board has brought

2452
02:01:32,932 --> 02:01:34,517
forward that other local.

2453
02:01:34,517 --> 02:01:36,737
These through the Virginia Association of Counties

2454
02:01:36,737 --> 02:01:38,737
that may go.

2455
02:01:39,844 --> 02:01:42,977
It's hard at the Virginia Association of Counties.

2456
02:01:42,977 --> 02:01:45,137
It may go other localities across the Commonwealth

2457
02:01:45,137 --> 02:01:47,447
have brought forward concerns about the level of state

2458
02:01:47,447 --> 02:01:51,647
transportation funding that's available for local priorities

2459
02:01:52,427 --> 02:01:56,527
I was able to attend a session put on by the Virginia Economic

2460
02:01:56,527 --> 02:01:58,847
Developers Association, a couple of weeks ago,

2461
02:01:58,847 --> 02:02:03,944
and they had several members of the governor's cabinet sharing

2462
02:02:03,944 --> 02:02:05,777
information about what they were looking at,

2463
02:02:05,777 --> 02:02:08,410
including the Secretary of Transportation.

2464
02:02:08,410 --> 02:02:12,257
And so I perked up very hard when

2465
02:02:12,257 --> 02:02:15,317
he began walking through the challenge

2466
02:02:15,317 --> 02:02:19,157
that his secretary is facing understanding exactly

2467
02:02:19,157 --> 02:02:22,257
as as you all have articulated over the years,

2468
02:02:22,257 --> 02:02:24,287
that there is just not enough funding

2469
02:02:24,287 --> 02:02:27,707
to go around for all of the local priorities that

2470
02:02:27,707 --> 02:02:28,457
are occurring.

2471
02:02:28,457 --> 02:02:30,617
And he did take a couple of minutes

2472
02:02:30,617 --> 02:02:34,187
to share all of the things that the Commonwealth is,

2473
02:02:34,187 --> 02:02:36,170
is taking on right now.

2474
02:02:36,170 --> 02:02:38,477
There are a number of very large projects happening

2475
02:02:38,477 --> 02:02:41,387
in different parts of the Commonwealth none focused

2476
02:02:41,387 --> 02:02:45,587
here but in the 81 corridor, enhancements that

2477
02:02:45,707 --> 02:02:49,877
were done to the Port of Virginia, the hampton Roads

2478
02:02:49,877 --> 02:02:55,487
Bridge Tunnel Project, work on the in the Beltway area,

2479
02:02:55,487 --> 02:02:58,700
passenger Amtrak rail improvements that

2480
02:02:58,700 --> 02:03:00,437
are part of transportation funding

2481
02:03:00,437 --> 02:03:03,167
have all or all projects that are underway or will get

2482
02:03:03,167 --> 02:03:07,970
underway shortly And our massive transport nation projects

2483
02:03:07,970 --> 02:03:12,917
for the Commonwealth And so that is having the impact of tying up

2484
02:03:12,917 --> 02:03:15,827
a lot of construction dollars that that otherwise

2485
02:03:15,827 --> 02:03:19,157
could be prioritized elsewhere in the Commonwealth.

2486
02:03:19,157 --> 02:03:21,137
He also took a moment to talk about how

2487
02:03:21,137 --> 02:03:24,137
the vitality statistics statewide continue

2488
02:03:24,378 --> 02:03:26,629
to go in the wrong direction.

2489
02:03:26,629 --> 02:03:29,567
So 2014 was the last downward trend

2490
02:03:29,567 --> 02:03:32,207
year for transportation fatalities in the Commonwealth

2491
02:03:32,207 --> 02:03:35,387
and since then they've risen every year

2492
02:03:35,387 --> 02:03:37,697
and that is a deep concern for them.

2493
02:03:37,697 --> 02:03:40,907
And so safety continues to be a big priority for them

2494
02:03:40,907 --> 02:03:45,694
But he was sharing some data around the knee

2495
02:03:45,694 --> 02:03:49,427
to the need for additional funds to be able to even tackle

2496
02:03:49,427 --> 02:03:51,737
the maintenance obligations that Virginia

2497
02:03:51,737 --> 02:03:55,700
Department of Transportation has before you even then get

2498
02:03:55,700 --> 02:03:57,227
into new construction projects.

2499
02:03:57,227 --> 02:04:02,237
So One of the things that he wanted us to walk away with,

2500
02:04:02,237 --> 02:04:05,117
what did not feel like a good news presentation,

2501
02:04:05,117 --> 02:04:08,537
was that this is something that the Commonwealth transportation

2502
02:04:08,537 --> 02:04:12,197
Board is focusing their work plan this year on talking

2503
02:04:12,197 --> 02:04:15,679
about and trying to address They have had a couple of meetings

2504
02:04:15,679 --> 02:04:17,387
already and will continue to sort of work

2505
02:04:17,387 --> 02:04:21,527
through different scenarios For right now, that

2506
02:04:21,527 --> 02:04:24,107
has a way that they program maintenance dollars

2507
02:04:24,107 --> 02:04:26,837
and then construction dollars afterwards.

2508
02:04:26,837 --> 02:04:29,417
Looking at what are the assumptions that

2509
02:04:29,417 --> 02:04:31,397
go into how that those decisions are made,

2510
02:04:31,397 --> 02:04:36,466
Does that need to be revisited and/or are there new funds

2511
02:04:36,466 --> 02:04:39,347
necessary And how do you go about getting those?

2512
02:04:39,347 --> 02:04:41,447
And so he encouraged everyone who

2513
02:04:41,447 --> 02:04:44,567
has a concern in this area to engage with their Commonwealth

2514
02:04:44,567 --> 02:04:46,697
transportation and board representative.

2515
02:04:46,697 --> 02:04:49,307
There's a new representative for the Culpeper district

2516
02:04:49,307 --> 02:04:52,217
that was appointed in June.

2517
02:04:52,217 --> 02:04:54,317
And so that is one follow up that we

2518
02:04:54,317 --> 02:04:56,170
wanted to put before the board today is

2519
02:04:56,170 --> 02:04:57,587
that's that's a step that we could

2520
02:04:57,587 --> 02:05:02,607
take to continue to raise this issue with the General Assembly.

2521
02:05:02,607 --> 02:05:04,847
But also with our Commonwealth transportation board

2522
02:05:04,847 --> 02:05:07,247
representative, vertical before district.

2523
02:05:07,397 --> 02:05:10,577
And that's something that we've not done formally in the past,

2524
02:05:10,577 --> 02:05:12,767
but we certainly are happy to to do in partnership

2525
02:05:12,767 --> 02:05:18,470
with the board, if so desired The final slide that we have

2526
02:05:18,470 --> 02:05:22,847
on this portion of the slide deck is just on part of we

2527
02:05:22,847 --> 02:05:26,657
spoke last time about how the Charlottesville Albemarle

2528
02:05:26,657 --> 02:05:30,257
regional Trans Transportation Authority has it

2529
02:05:33,140 --> 02:05:35,513
was created with authority That was provided

2530
02:05:35,513 --> 02:05:37,307
by the general Assembly.

2531
02:05:37,307 --> 02:05:40,457
So several years ago, it was established

2532
02:05:40,457 --> 02:05:44,807
in 2025 and sort of following the regional transportation

2533
02:05:44,807 --> 02:05:46,997
partnership effort that preceded it.

2534
02:05:46,997 --> 02:05:51,407
And they are currently working through an implementation

2535
02:05:51,407 --> 02:05:54,170
strategy to follow that vision plan works

2536
02:05:54,170 --> 02:05:56,837
that had been completed and they are continuing

2537
02:05:56,837 --> 02:05:59,807
to sort of work through what are the right prioritized scenarios

2538
02:05:59,807 --> 02:06:04,745
the cost estimates that go with those and refining that list.

2539
02:06:04,745 --> 02:06:06,287
Again, stakeholder input that they're

2540
02:06:06,287 --> 02:06:08,177
that they've been seeking.

2541
02:06:08,177 --> 02:06:14,570
And so last work session on this topic, we talked about them.

2542
02:06:14,570 --> 02:06:15,797
It may this year may not be the year

2543
02:06:15,797 --> 02:06:18,200
for a formal legislative priority ask

2544
02:06:18,200 --> 02:06:19,877
but that we know that the first year that you

2545
02:06:19,877 --> 02:06:23,270
ask for something you're doing a lot of familiarization

2546
02:06:23,270 --> 02:06:26,327
and awareness building and so this year may be a good year

2547
02:06:26,327 --> 02:06:29,357
to get a head start on that familiar familiarization

2548
02:06:29,357 --> 02:06:32,417
and awareness with the local delegates.

2549
02:06:32,417 --> 02:06:36,437
And as we as we continue to sort of follow with the work

2550
02:06:36,437 --> 02:06:39,167
that Carter is doing directly on what could

2551
02:06:39,167 --> 02:06:41,129
be an ask in a future year.

2552
02:06:41,129 --> 02:06:43,937
And so that is just sort of outlining

2553
02:06:43,937 --> 02:06:46,334
the approach of sort of setting that baseline

2554
02:06:46,334 --> 02:06:47,417
with the local delegation.

2555
02:06:47,417 --> 02:06:49,487
This year, again, in anticipation

2556
02:06:49,487 --> 02:06:55,487
that a formal request would be coming when timely I'll

2557
02:06:57,647 --> 02:07:00,987
hit the next steps and then open it up for discussion if that

2558
02:07:00,987 --> 02:07:01,987
pleases the board.

2559
02:07:01,987 --> 02:07:06,197
OK So our final work session on legislative priorities

2560
02:07:06,197 --> 02:07:08,736
is scheduled for your October 21 meeting

2561
02:07:08,736 --> 02:07:11,747
and the hope there would be that you all would be in a position

2562
02:07:11,747 --> 02:07:16,367
to adopt the positions and policy statements at that time

2563
02:07:16,367 --> 02:07:19,667
and that we could then sort of peel off and set up meetings

2564
02:07:19,667 --> 02:07:22,997
with legislators for that late October, early November time

2565
02:07:22,997 --> 02:07:26,687
frame in order to meet the pre filing deadline

2566
02:07:26,687 --> 02:07:31,217
that they have for introducing bills and that we would

2567
02:07:31,217 --> 02:07:33,887
depending on how when we can schedule the legislative forum

2568
02:07:33,887 --> 02:07:34,697
session,

2569
02:07:34,697 --> 02:07:37,217
we would work through if there's some pre

2570
02:07:37,217 --> 02:07:40,157
meeting with the local delegates individually ahead

2571
02:07:40,157 --> 02:07:43,370
of that to ensure that we don't miss

2572
02:07:43,370 --> 02:07:47,927
important times in their process And so the meeting

2573
02:07:47,927 --> 02:07:51,557
with legislators is a time where we staff and the board

2574
02:07:51,557 --> 02:07:53,957
together present legislative priorities.

2575
02:07:54,640 --> 02:07:56,147
Time for you all to share concerns and information

2576
02:07:56,147 --> 02:07:58,157
on transportation and statewide.

2577
02:07:58,157 --> 02:08:01,427
And as progress and also time for the legislators

2578
02:08:01,427 --> 02:08:04,427
to share some of their priorities heading into session.

2579
02:08:04,427 --> 02:08:06,407
That is all of the slides that we have,

2580
02:08:06,407 --> 02:08:08,924
but happy to hear you're also feedback.

2581
02:08:08,924 --> 02:08:09,580
All right.

2582
02:08:09,580 --> 02:08:10,559
We've got a lot.

2583
02:08:10,559 --> 02:08:11,767
We've had some conversations.

2584
02:08:11,767 --> 02:08:14,988
Supervisor malik, I guess I'll just It's all you can eat.

2585
02:08:14,988 --> 02:08:19,217
Yeah And then we'll go along So thank you very much.

2586
02:08:19,217 --> 02:08:23,777
I'll just right off the top, the format of 11 a I really

2587
02:08:23,777 --> 02:08:25,967
like that and hopefully we could put that

2588
02:08:25,967 --> 02:08:29,537
on a hard palm card vertical way more of bigger

2589
02:08:29,537 --> 02:08:32,237
print than the little tiny business card size thing.

2590
02:08:32,237 --> 02:08:35,497
And Phil North can't get away with being the only one around

2591
02:08:35,497 --> 02:08:36,497
in the General Assembly.

2592
02:08:36,497 --> 02:08:36,707
Man.

2593
02:08:36,707 --> 02:08:38,332
So those things out there are fabulous.

2594
02:08:38,332 --> 02:08:39,437
So that was great.

2595
02:08:39,437 --> 02:08:43,247
Now let me jump back to the top of my list here.

2596
02:08:43,247 --> 02:08:46,247
What was remove on broadband?

2597
02:08:46,937 --> 02:08:49,637
I believe it had to do with the Albemarle specific provisions

2598
02:08:49,637 --> 02:08:52,419
about deploying broadband Now, Monroe County, I

2599
02:08:52,419 --> 02:08:55,127
think we took a look at that and saw that basically that had been

2600
02:08:55,127 --> 02:08:58,670
something where essentially the mission had been accomplished

2601
02:08:58,670 --> 02:09:01,255
during the past year except of a thousand

2602
02:09:01,255 --> 02:09:03,470
people in the northwest part of the county.

2603
02:09:03,470 --> 02:09:07,267
And we are under absolute deluge with SEC and FCC

2604
02:09:07,267 --> 02:09:09,170
and having to fight this battle ourselves.

2605
02:09:09,170 --> 02:09:12,137
And so it would be really nice not to just say the battle

2606
02:09:12,137 --> 02:09:14,932
is over from the county perspective.

2607
02:09:14,932 --> 02:09:17,570
So I'll throw that back out there for somebody else

2608
02:09:17,570 --> 02:09:20,186
to think about, because this has been going on for years.

2609
02:09:20,186 --> 02:09:23,147
And it's getting worse and worse every day.

2610
02:09:23,147 --> 02:09:25,798
Every time it rains, nobody can call the ambulance,

2611
02:09:25,798 --> 02:09:27,462
for crying out loud.

2612
02:09:27,462 --> 02:09:29,820
So that that is really a big problem

2613
02:09:29,820 --> 02:09:31,487
And I've raised that multiple times when

2614
02:09:31,487 --> 02:09:34,267
there have been the citations the resolution

2615
02:09:34,267 --> 02:09:38,561
we did that, people need to be aware that we're not done.

2616
02:09:38,561 --> 02:09:43,361
Now Yeah, the okay with the double text

2617
02:09:46,687 --> 02:09:47,687
version of the vehicles.

2618
02:09:47,687 --> 02:09:50,927
I thought there was already a law that required three months.

2619
02:09:50,927 --> 02:09:53,390
Was the only window you got before you

2620
02:09:53,390 --> 02:09:54,497
were required If you're living here

2621
02:09:54,497 --> 02:09:58,487
to register your car in Virginia and Massachusetts,

2622
02:09:58,487 --> 02:10:01,577
where I my children went to school in Vermont, they do this.

2623
02:10:01,577 --> 02:10:03,977
So I don't know why we can enforce that somehow.

2624
02:10:03,977 --> 02:10:05,987
The site is laws are very complicated,

2625
02:10:05,987 --> 02:10:08,207
but but basically, Virginia does not

2626
02:10:08,207 --> 02:10:10,487
tax if you're domiciled in another state

2627
02:10:10,487 --> 02:10:13,700
and show that you have paid taxes

2628
02:10:13,700 --> 02:10:15,617
to another state you are currently exempt outright

2629
02:10:15,617 --> 02:10:16,217
from Virginia.

2630
02:10:16,217 --> 02:10:19,370
Personal property taxes What we're asking the General

2631
02:10:19,370 --> 02:10:22,370
Assembly to study is to make that a credit rather

2632
02:10:22,370 --> 02:10:24,917
than an outright tax exemption In Virginia,

2633
02:10:24,917 --> 02:10:28,970
if I may out of state domiciliary renting here.

2634
02:10:28,970 --> 02:10:30,977
And they're here as students or renting an apartment,

2635
02:10:30,977 --> 02:10:31,584
they're here.

2636
02:10:31,584 --> 02:10:32,417
They're voting here.

2637
02:10:32,417 --> 02:10:34,217
They're not domiciled here under the law.

2638
02:10:34,217 --> 02:10:35,597
They're domiciled in their home.

2639
02:10:35,597 --> 02:10:37,277
Even if they're voting here.

2640
02:10:37,277 --> 02:10:40,277
The same applies to military personnel and corporate persons.

2641
02:10:40,277 --> 02:10:44,387
So fleet vehicles, which is also a scam because people

2642
02:10:44,387 --> 02:10:45,407
don't vote.

2643
02:10:45,407 --> 02:10:51,707
All those hundreds of job trucks and stuff that run around

2644
02:10:51,707 --> 02:10:54,257
and they're registered there some guys.

2645
02:10:54,257 --> 02:10:55,337
That's why.

2646
02:10:55,337 --> 02:10:58,410
And then they don't pay the commercial rates.

2647
02:10:58,410 --> 02:11:01,547
I mean, the whole thing is a big can of worms.

2648
02:11:01,547 --> 02:11:03,407
So I'm really sorry that we're still

2649
02:11:03,407 --> 02:11:05,270
allowing ourselves to be trampled on

2650
02:11:05,270 --> 02:11:07,878
with that can't do anything about that amendment

2651
02:11:07,878 --> 02:11:09,888
of the transportation things.

2652
02:11:09,888 --> 02:11:11,930
Are you going to bring up your things separately?

2653
02:11:11,930 --> 02:11:12,430
OK.

2654
02:11:12,430 --> 02:11:14,100
Well, I very much will support that.

2655
02:11:14,100 --> 02:11:17,747
But our new CTB member, Jim Roy, we

2656
02:11:17,747 --> 02:11:20,447
had a great conversation a few weeks ago.

2657
02:11:20,447 --> 02:11:22,667
I gave him my bill's moment as what

2658
02:11:22,667 --> 02:11:28,670
is needed here because in 86, 40 years ago, our governor

2659
02:11:28,240 --> 02:11:32,267
at the time 5 billion, $5 billion over 12 years

2660
02:11:32,267 --> 02:11:33,497
was what those taxes raise.

2661
02:11:33,497 --> 02:11:36,670
And it is time for the general Assembly to do that again.

2662
02:11:36,670 --> 02:11:38,870
And the governor to do that again.

2663
02:11:38,870 --> 02:11:40,187
And I hope we will tell her.

2664
02:11:40,187 --> 02:11:43,727
But he, Jim Malloy, explained everyone that he very much wants

2665
02:11:43,727 --> 02:11:46,547
to be in touch with local board members individually

2666
02:11:46,547 --> 02:11:50,117
or group as fine, often quarterly at least,

2667
02:11:50,117 --> 02:11:53,277
and wants to know what we need.

2668
02:11:53,277 --> 02:11:56,700
So he can do his best job to represent our needs.

2669
02:11:56,700 --> 02:12:00,287
When it gets down to the push and shove it at the CTB

2670
02:12:00,287 --> 02:12:03,467
But he described in detail the lack of maintenance dollars

2671
02:12:03,467 --> 02:12:06,407
because maintenance costs have escalated so greatly

2672
02:12:06,407 --> 02:12:09,527
that just like in 2009, during the recession,

2673
02:12:09,527 --> 02:12:11,807
it just ate up all the construction money

2674
02:12:11,807 --> 02:12:14,357
So just like RCMP having to pay for the courts

2675
02:12:14,357 --> 02:12:16,187
in the schools and all this other stuff,

2676
02:12:16,187 --> 02:12:19,337
all these hampton Roads Tunnel and the Wilson Bridge and all

2677
02:12:19,337 --> 02:12:22,697
these other things are still on the V IP

2678
02:12:22,697 --> 02:12:24,647
and that's eating up their ability

2679
02:12:24,647 --> 02:12:30,470
to do anything I'm very concerned about the timetable

2680
02:12:31,217 --> 02:12:33,617
because every year for the last 15 years,

2681
02:12:33,617 --> 02:12:37,157
our legislators have said October is too late

2682
02:12:37,157 --> 02:12:40,997
So I would say we need to have this absolute delay as fast

2683
02:12:40,997 --> 02:12:43,127
as possible because there already

2684
02:12:43,127 --> 02:12:47,297
making a list of their 15 bills by August or July or whatever.

2685
02:12:47,297 --> 02:12:50,657
So others have been contacting them regularly

2686
02:12:50,657 --> 02:12:52,367
and we are missing our window.

2687
02:12:52,367 --> 02:12:54,587
If we wait until November to say anything

2688
02:12:54,587 --> 02:12:56,777
and they've told this to our faces over and over

2689
02:12:56,777 --> 02:13:00,167
again about that So I hope that we'll figure out

2690
02:13:00,167 --> 02:13:02,532
a way to have if we can get somebody

2691
02:13:02,532 --> 02:13:04,157
on a Tuesday and somebody out Thursday,

2692
02:13:04,157 --> 02:13:07,847
and we'll just have special meetings to go meet with them.

2693
02:13:07,847 --> 02:13:09,756
I mean, I hope that we'll get there.

2694
02:13:09,756 --> 02:13:13,956
This year in the sort of more.

2695
02:13:14,180 --> 02:13:15,357
That's the local stuff.

2696
02:13:15,357 --> 02:13:18,287
Now for the statewide things, a lot of these

2697
02:13:18,287 --> 02:13:21,887
would go probably tobacco and others.

2698
02:13:22,337 --> 02:13:23,657
But I think it's important.

2699
02:13:23,657 --> 02:13:27,170
I mean, I will have raised them in the past as an individual,

2700
02:13:27,170 --> 02:13:29,267
just have concerns with local delegates.

2701
02:13:29,267 --> 02:13:34,667
And I think it's important that they know the

2702
02:13:34,757 --> 02:13:37,937
and I'll just mention them now, just so others know as well,

2703
02:13:37,937 --> 02:13:41,747
the need for updated best management practices in forestry

2704
02:13:41,747 --> 02:13:44,270
in Virginia Potato right when she

2705
02:13:44,270 --> 02:13:45,909
was secretary of forestry years and years ago

2706
02:13:45,909 --> 02:13:47,117
said they were working on it.

2707
02:13:47,117 --> 02:13:49,937
But nothing's been changed since 1986

2708
02:13:49,937 --> 02:13:52,757
and it's totally had no correlation to the way

2709
02:13:52,757 --> 02:13:55,157
forestry is practice today.

2710
02:13:55,397 --> 02:13:58,670
So in the old days people, they took the logs,

2711
02:13:58,670 --> 02:14:00,301
they left the slash, the branches and all that stuff

2712
02:14:00,301 --> 02:14:02,837
laying down on the property, which provided some erosion

2713
02:14:02,837 --> 02:14:04,337
protection.

2714
02:14:04,337 --> 02:14:07,187
And now they ship all that stuff into teeny weeny pellets

2715
02:14:07,187 --> 02:14:10,187
for people Seattle stoves and export it to Europe and stuff

2716
02:14:10,187 --> 02:14:13,907
like that, which means you have acres of land

2717
02:14:13,907 --> 02:14:18,107
often on very steep slopes completely naked.

2718
02:14:18,409 --> 02:14:20,117
When these rains that are coming through.

2719
02:14:20,117 --> 02:14:23,870
So I will just use the Dalles River in Whitehall

2720
02:14:23,870 --> 02:14:27,170
as the example, which has been one of our very best water

2721
02:14:27,170 --> 02:14:30,287
quality for 30 years, comes out Headwaters are up

2722
02:14:30,287 --> 02:14:34,787
in the Shenandoah National Park, but a improperly put

2723
02:14:34,787 --> 02:14:40,787
in and totally unapproved lumber access road vertical straight up

2724
02:14:41,181 --> 02:14:45,527
the hill 40% grade and now there's mobs of sediment

2725
02:14:45,527 --> 02:14:47,207
just floating down the Dallas River

2726
02:14:47,207 --> 02:14:49,817
and going to go into the Mormons and into the South work.

2727
02:14:49,817 --> 02:14:52,667
And this is sort of a terrible example

2728
02:14:52,667 --> 02:14:57,117
of how we've lost in the first ten years of the south Fork

2729
02:14:57,117 --> 02:14:57,617
Reservoir.

2730
02:14:57,617 --> 02:15:00,678
We lost 40% of our capacity due to sedimentation

2731
02:15:00,678 --> 02:15:04,127
So this is on the state docket, but it's something

2732
02:15:04,127 --> 02:15:06,775
that i hope we will continue to think about

2733
02:15:06,775 --> 02:15:08,402
as we deal with these things.

2734
02:15:08,402 --> 02:15:10,149
Anything we can on the local level,

2735
02:15:10,149 --> 02:15:12,107
it's a real burden for our local zoning people.

2736
02:15:12,107 --> 02:15:14,771
They have to run out there with the state forest, the county

2737
02:15:14,771 --> 02:15:17,294
forester and try to get these things under control

2738
02:15:17,294 --> 02:15:18,477
But after the fact.

2739
02:15:18,477 --> 02:15:22,487
It's almost impossible Planning District Commission, Solid Waste

2740
02:15:22,487 --> 02:15:27,887
Management plan was in your packet for somewhere today,

2741
02:15:28,217 --> 02:15:33,470
I guess the and this is from the Swac committee.

2742
02:15:33,470 --> 02:15:35,687
One real difficulty is we don't have

2743
02:15:35,687 --> 02:15:38,867
adequate records, registration of our private haulers

2744
02:15:38,867 --> 02:15:40,937
nor do we have authority.

2745
02:15:40,937 --> 02:15:44,320
I guess, to make them report.

2746
02:15:44,320 --> 02:15:46,284
And so this is an Andy question.

2747
02:15:46,284 --> 02:15:48,317
Do we have authority to require this?

2748
02:15:48,317 --> 02:15:50,222
And we just haven't done it?

2749
02:15:50,222 --> 02:15:51,347
I'd need to look into that.

2750
02:15:51,347 --> 02:15:52,127
I understand.

2751
02:15:52,127 --> 02:15:53,160
To offer a future.

2752
02:15:53,160 --> 02:15:54,827
These people are not paying county taxes

2753
02:15:54,827 --> 02:15:56,202
for doing business in the county,

2754
02:15:56,202 --> 02:15:58,375
and they're not providing data to the PVC

2755
02:15:58,375 --> 02:16:02,870
to be able to then meet the state obligation for.

2756
02:16:02,870 --> 02:16:04,917
I mean, our reports have been woefully inadequate for decades

2757
02:16:04,917 --> 02:16:08,537
because we have this run amok situation

2758
02:16:08,537 --> 02:16:10,670
with the private haulers.

2759
02:16:10,670 --> 02:16:12,317
A few, including the little guys,

2760
02:16:12,317 --> 02:16:16,670
you know, out in the country Our register read and do report.

2761
02:16:16,670 --> 02:16:19,847
And I'm very grateful Thank you very much for that.

2762
02:16:19,847 --> 02:16:22,907
Including the bottle bill thing in the environmental thing.

2763
02:16:22,907 --> 02:16:24,302
I really appreciate that.

2764
02:16:24,302 --> 02:16:27,470
And I've sent it on to the swag committee

2765
02:16:27,470 --> 02:16:29,932
so they will know that that is in there.

2766
02:16:29,932 --> 02:16:33,137
And that's something that's also on the agenda for discussion

2767
02:16:33,137 --> 02:16:36,170
for the Yellow Committee And they go in November

2768
02:16:36,170 --> 02:16:38,447
and hopefully we'll be able to get some other counties

2769
02:16:38,447 --> 02:16:42,217
interested in going backwards to the 50s where when we had all

2770
02:16:42,217 --> 02:16:44,405
those things which were really great.

2771
02:16:44,405 --> 02:16:47,405
And i will stop there.

2772
02:16:52,187 --> 02:16:54,347
Thank you very much Thank you.

2773
02:16:54,347 --> 02:16:57,947
Supervisor Duncan Oh, and I'm sorry.

2774
02:17:00,160 --> 02:17:02,507
So before as you go around.

2775
02:17:02,507 --> 02:17:04,667
And if there are other topics that supervisors

2776
02:17:04,667 --> 02:17:08,340
speak to just offer that you don't have

2777
02:17:08,340 --> 02:17:09,617
any objection to anything you've heard

2778
02:17:09,617 --> 02:17:12,407
from anyone else that will help as kind of keep track of where

2779
02:17:12,407 --> 02:17:13,448
we're going relative to.

2780
02:17:13,448 --> 02:17:15,739
So we don't have to talk about every single thing,

2781
02:17:15,739 --> 02:17:18,137
just if you object to something that bring that up.

2782
02:17:18,137 --> 02:17:19,157
Sorry, go ahead.

2783
02:17:19,157 --> 02:17:22,520
Is then is the no objection period We need to say not.

2784
02:17:22,520 --> 02:17:23,417
No, I'm not.

2785
02:17:23,417 --> 02:17:25,937
Just just talk If you object to something

2786
02:17:25,937 --> 02:17:28,337
you heard ahead of you, then at the end, we can all go.

2787
02:17:28,337 --> 02:17:31,895
Must be consensus because nobody object.

2788
02:17:31,895 --> 02:17:33,437
I was this is my first time for this.

2789
02:17:33,437 --> 02:17:40,637
And so i'm sort of learning just kind of coming at it.

2790
02:17:40,882 --> 02:17:42,257
You know, with the super, it just

2791
02:17:42,257 --> 02:17:44,900
seems I don't know if this is normal or not,

2792
02:17:44,900 --> 02:17:48,435
but it assumes interesting to have a list of 26 positions

2793
02:17:48,435 --> 02:17:50,237
when they can only offer up 15 bills.

2794
02:17:50,237 --> 02:17:52,247
And so it just feels like a lot.

2795
02:17:52,247 --> 02:17:55,397
And I mean, obviously there's a lot of things we care about.

2796
02:17:55,397 --> 02:17:57,287
I'm just sort of curious if that's

2797
02:17:57,287 --> 02:17:59,958
standard practice for counties to have such a long list

2798
02:17:59,958 --> 02:18:02,717
or if it's better to make it shorter

2799
02:18:02,717 --> 02:18:06,347
And then just my other opposite reason for reading through these

2800
02:18:06,347 --> 02:18:09,737
is a lot of these make me feel like Oliver Twist.

2801
02:18:09,737 --> 02:18:13,700
Please sir, can I have some more authority And there

2802
02:18:13,700 --> 02:18:16,479
a simple solution to a lot of these requests.

2803
02:18:16,479 --> 02:18:17,278
Yeah.

2804
02:18:17,278 --> 02:18:18,738
And convince them of that.

2805
02:18:18,738 --> 02:18:21,587
It's like i am probably going to North Carolina

2806
02:18:21,587 --> 02:18:24,437
and we'll be paying attention to both of.

2807
02:18:24,437 --> 02:18:27,617
The thing I would add about having that many physicians

2808
02:18:27,617 --> 02:18:31,370
because we try to bring up certain things relative

2809
02:18:31,370 --> 02:18:35,537
to bills, but what the legislators will often do

2810
02:18:35,537 --> 02:18:37,427
is like, let's say Senator Deeds is here

2811
02:18:37,427 --> 02:18:41,693
and he sees one of our 26 items and he'll say, you know what?

2812
02:18:41,693 --> 02:18:44,595
There's some momentum coming out of wherever.

2813
02:18:44,595 --> 02:18:46,697
And then he can track that.

2814
02:18:46,697 --> 02:18:48,797
That's important to us, too.

2815
02:18:48,797 --> 02:18:51,910
He doesn't necessarily have to expend One of his slots,

2816
02:18:51,910 --> 02:18:55,800
but compile on the support over there if he knows it's there.

2817
02:18:55,800 --> 02:18:57,347
So to not have it kind of limits you

2818
02:18:57,347 --> 02:18:59,952
in that kind of wheeling and dealing.

2819
02:18:59,952 --> 02:19:00,827
I guess that happens.

2820
02:19:00,827 --> 02:19:03,227
But point taken Yeah.

2821
02:19:03,413 --> 02:19:08,610
And I'll just add from his Duncan's benefit, the it.

2822
02:19:08,610 --> 02:19:11,406
We don't always know until set until all the Bills have

2823
02:19:11,406 --> 02:19:12,169
been published.

2824
02:19:12,169 --> 02:19:14,537
We don't always know what all the topics that'll

2825
02:19:14,537 --> 02:19:17,432
be before the General Assembly are.

2826
02:19:17,432 --> 02:19:20,327
And so staff uses the that section

2827
02:19:20,327 --> 02:19:23,627
that positions and policy statements work too.

2828
02:19:23,627 --> 02:19:25,577
If we get a call of well, how does Albemarle

2829
02:19:25,577 --> 02:19:29,813
feel about this will look there to say well actually okay

2830
02:19:29,813 --> 02:19:32,565
we think we do see where the position would be on that.

2831
02:19:32,565 --> 02:19:34,607
And sometimes the answer is we're still not sure.

2832
02:19:34,607 --> 02:19:38,837
And we have to make some phone calls Supervisor Pruitt,

2833
02:19:38,837 --> 02:19:41,870
I would further add to the conversation that's already

2834
02:19:41,870 --> 02:19:43,970
going the very pithy way I think of it

2835
02:19:43,970 --> 02:19:46,517
is the legislative program is telling them what to file

2836
02:19:46,517 --> 02:19:48,497
and the legislative positions.

2837
02:19:48,497 --> 02:19:50,957
It's telling them how to vote on things that other people

2838
02:19:50,957 --> 02:19:57,557
file, which is mostly true or not perfect, but mostly i

2839
02:19:58,967 --> 02:20:04,367
want to begin by concurring with Supervisor Mallex position

2840
02:20:05,237 --> 02:20:08,260
that our timetable is and I know it's challenging,

2841
02:20:08,260 --> 02:20:10,427
I know there's budget, but it's woefully inadequate.

2842
02:20:10,427 --> 02:20:13,157
We need to begin this process basically the moment

2843
02:20:13,157 --> 02:20:16,427
we have a legislative debrief from previous session,

2844
02:20:16,427 --> 02:20:21,647
I met with Senator Deeds Friday and he had just

2845
02:20:21,647 --> 02:20:25,670
come from a meeting of the legislative positions.

2846
02:20:25,670 --> 02:20:27,810
I work session with the city.

2847
02:20:27,810 --> 02:20:31,847
And he told them i have already the early bird filing

2848
02:20:31,847 --> 02:20:34,907
deadline has already passed and I am almost at capacity.

2849
02:20:34,907 --> 02:20:40,807
So a lot of this is not feasible that was last week so

2850
02:20:40,807 --> 02:20:45,607
that it does these deadlines come up quick

2851
02:20:45,857 --> 02:20:49,342
and by November, people already have their bills

2852
02:20:49,342 --> 02:20:52,637
late almost entirely And there's not much flexibility.

2853
02:20:52,637 --> 02:20:55,217
And we're really kind of playing with stragglers

2854
02:20:55,217 --> 02:20:57,905
or if someone wants to trade a bill that they're already

2855
02:20:57,905 --> 02:20:59,447
bringing to their friend who is going

2856
02:20:59,447 --> 02:21:03,497
to co patron it because they have some opening

2857
02:21:03,497 --> 02:21:06,707
So I would say that's a very urgent.

2858
02:21:06,707 --> 02:21:11,147
I will I want to talk about specifically

2859
02:21:11,147 --> 02:21:14,267
because our policy positions i think are pretty fixed

2860
02:21:14,267 --> 02:21:16,487
and don't move that much year to year.

2861
02:21:16,487 --> 02:21:19,700
So I'm going to specifically and exclusively talk

2862
02:21:19,700 --> 02:21:21,595
about the legislative program, the things we want to file,

2863
02:21:21,595 --> 02:21:23,387
rather than the things we're telling people

2864
02:21:23,387 --> 02:21:29,357
how to vote yes on I would request to the board

2865
02:21:29,357 --> 02:21:31,667
and suggest that up.

2866
02:21:31,667 --> 02:21:36,377
I don't disagree that the mentee decoupling is a new issue.

2867
02:21:36,377 --> 02:21:39,887
I think it is something that we have a policy window for right

2868
02:21:39,887 --> 02:21:43,877
now because the big sexy thing that

2869
02:21:43,877 --> 02:21:48,227
is going to dominate discourse is about revenue and data

2870
02:21:48,227 --> 02:21:51,887
centers MMT is the primary local tax

2871
02:21:51,887 --> 02:21:53,693
source related to data centers.

2872
02:21:53,693 --> 02:21:55,628
And there is a clear through line.

2873
02:21:55,628 --> 02:21:59,237
And there's frankly, I think, a political talking point

2874
02:21:59,237 --> 02:22:02,987
because i see 70 being set to necessarily

2875
02:22:02,987 --> 02:22:07,997
at or below personal property as a Republican dead hand

2876
02:22:07,997 --> 02:22:12,737
guidance It is a limitation on corporate taxation

2877
02:22:12,737 --> 02:22:14,882
that is being realized in the future.

2878
02:22:14,882 --> 02:22:18,770
And you if you get a majority that's eager to make change,

2879
02:22:18,770 --> 02:22:21,377
I think there's a policy window between data centers that

2880
02:22:21,377 --> 02:22:24,197
and localities saying we want more that

2881
02:22:24,197 --> 02:22:26,297
makes this a compelling issue.

2882
02:22:26,297 --> 02:22:28,187
Maybe something that doesn't move forward,

2883
02:22:28,187 --> 02:22:30,317
but there are special workgroups brought up

2884
02:22:30,317 --> 02:22:32,687
around data centers and finance that we

2885
02:22:32,687 --> 02:22:34,847
can inject this issue into.

2886
02:22:34,847 --> 02:22:37,847
But me having individual conversations

2887
02:22:37,877 --> 02:22:40,487
with senators calls in and deeds who I will also

2888
02:22:40,487 --> 02:22:43,337
say this was the most interesting

2889
02:22:43,337 --> 02:22:46,970
of the various things I've talked about Having

2890
02:22:46,970 --> 02:22:47,752
those individual conversation is not

2891
02:22:47,752 --> 02:22:49,127
going to elevate it to the degree

2892
02:22:49,127 --> 02:22:51,977
that I think we would need If we want to inject this

2893
02:22:51,977 --> 02:22:54,977
into those conversations around finance

2894
02:22:55,190 --> 02:22:57,107
and actually get some attention on this issue.

2895
02:22:57,107 --> 02:23:01,670
So I would i would ask that the board consider adding this

2896
02:23:01,670 --> 02:23:03,670
to our program.

2897
02:23:03,257 --> 02:23:07,370
I would also suggest the program is

2898
02:23:07,370 --> 02:23:09,887
a way for us to elevate priorities of things That's

2899
02:23:09,887 --> 02:23:11,657
asking for things to be filed.

2900
02:23:11,657 --> 02:23:13,604
I appreciate the discussion that we had.

2901
02:23:13,604 --> 02:23:16,187
And I know it's in our positions about transportation funding.

2902
02:23:16,187 --> 02:23:18,587
This has been the clearest and most consistent thing

2903
02:23:18,587 --> 02:23:22,222
that the board has said in the past two years.

2904
02:23:22,222 --> 02:23:26,177
And what we'd for where the Transportation

2905
02:23:26,177 --> 02:23:28,135
Board for our local district are going

2906
02:23:28,135 --> 02:23:29,927
to tell us and all the things they're doing

2907
02:23:29,927 --> 02:23:33,467
is always going to be based on what they've been allocated.

2908
02:23:33,467 --> 02:23:35,387
And it's missing the question of how much

2909
02:23:35,387 --> 02:23:38,627
are we actually allocate into road construction through Vdot

2910
02:23:38,627 --> 02:23:41,367
And that conversation needs to be with legislators.

2911
02:23:41,367 --> 02:23:44,747
And I think that means we need to elevate that in our

2912
02:23:44,747 --> 02:23:48,287
in our transportation or in our legislative program

2913
02:23:48,287 --> 02:23:50,207
a specific request for funding.

2914
02:23:50,207 --> 02:23:52,970
I think there's also and I'll just say this

2915
02:23:52,970 --> 02:23:53,927
because I've got the talking stick,

2916
02:23:53,927 --> 02:23:59,117
I think there is an important piece of storytelling that can

2917
02:23:59,117 --> 02:24:01,547
be done around this right now.

2918
02:24:01,547 --> 02:24:06,947
The big sexy thing that everyone wants to solve is housing.

2919
02:24:06,947 --> 02:24:10,700
It is something that's a majority is really

2920
02:24:10,700 --> 02:24:11,477
eager to show movement on.

2921
02:24:11,477 --> 02:24:13,277
And the main way they have to look

2922
02:24:13,277 --> 02:24:16,997
at that is through preemption and in localities

2923
02:24:16,997 --> 02:24:20,153
and trying to incentivize more growth in specific localities

2924
02:24:20,153 --> 02:24:24,107
that look like us, that look like Chesterfield, that look

2925
02:24:24,107 --> 02:24:28,337
like Spotsylvania I can tell you right now, you know,

2926
02:24:28,337 --> 02:24:31,547
my organization is working on lobbying.

2927
02:24:31,547 --> 02:24:34,247
Chester field, who's doing it down,

2928
02:24:34,247 --> 02:24:36,557
zoning across their whole county right now.

2929
02:24:36,557 --> 02:24:39,347
And the main argument that Chesterfield right now

2930
02:24:39,347 --> 02:24:42,497
is bringing up is we have too much traffic

2931
02:24:42,497 --> 02:24:46,997
on this area that is zoned high density and not yet developed.

2932
02:24:46,997 --> 02:24:49,817
This is a through line that we hear from our constituents

2933
02:24:49,817 --> 02:24:52,187
when we explore higher density developments

2934
02:24:52,187 --> 02:24:54,197
in more of the suburban fringe.

2935
02:24:54,197 --> 02:24:57,707
And I'm sure it's something these other suburban localities,

2936
02:24:57,707 --> 02:25:00,659
which are the place where most growth is happening

2937
02:25:00,659 --> 02:25:02,117
in the Commonwealth and it's poised

2938
02:25:02,117 --> 02:25:05,687
to happen And the political stifling is coming

2939
02:25:05,687 --> 02:25:08,117
from transportation So I think there's a very

2940
02:25:08,117 --> 02:25:11,207
clear through line that a democratic majority is

2941
02:25:11,207 --> 02:25:14,627
interested in housing But because transportation funding

2942
02:25:14,627 --> 02:25:16,487
is parochial and they mostly represent

2943
02:25:16,487 --> 02:25:20,270
cities that pay for their own transportation

2944
02:25:20,270 --> 02:25:24,107
or have transit systems, there is not that parochial interest

2945
02:25:24,107 --> 02:25:25,517
in beat up funding.

2946
02:25:25,517 --> 02:25:28,907
I think this helps create that clear through line

2947
02:25:28,907 --> 02:25:31,397
of how we connect their priorities

2948
02:25:31,397 --> 02:25:35,327
as urban representatives as people who might not represent

2949
02:25:35,327 --> 02:25:40,648
constituents that depend on Dot funding to their priorities

2950
02:25:40,648 --> 02:25:41,148
Right?

2951
02:25:41,148 --> 02:25:44,747
Like your priority is housing to do housing

2952
02:25:44,747 --> 02:25:48,190
you need this I think that's a really compelling case that we

2953
02:25:48,190 --> 02:25:50,357
can make, and I think we're uniquely well positioned

2954
02:25:50,357 --> 02:25:56,537
to make that case as a non urban locality that is growing

2955
02:25:56,537 --> 02:26:01,337
and that also, frankly it is predominantly democratic.

2956
02:26:01,427 --> 02:26:03,156
There's a very finite number of those

2957
02:26:03,156 --> 02:26:04,323
that can make that argument.

2958
02:26:04,323 --> 02:26:10,923
I think we should be making that argument Lastly, and this.

2959
02:26:11,237 --> 02:26:14,387
I would not expect the board to act on this today.

2960
02:26:14,387 --> 02:26:16,810
I would I would ask that the board chew on this

2961
02:26:16,810 --> 02:26:18,227
and maybe think about it before we

2962
02:26:18,227 --> 02:26:20,685
adopt our legislative position, because the language itself

2963
02:26:20,685 --> 02:26:22,685
is really simple.

2964
02:26:22,787 --> 02:26:26,912
I think it can sometimes be nice to add to our program, something

2965
02:26:26,912 --> 02:26:28,837
that we know is moving forward.

2966
02:26:28,837 --> 02:26:33,587
But as a statement of values and priorities and I

2967
02:26:33,587 --> 02:26:35,997
think it is prudent for us for the same kind

2968
02:26:35,997 --> 02:26:36,997
of political incentives.

2969
02:26:36,997 --> 02:26:41,387
I was just talking about to say something about housing,

2970
02:26:41,387 --> 02:26:45,917
I might suggest that this board endorse expansion

2971
02:26:45,917 --> 02:26:49,517
and continuation of the 5,000 families program.

2972
02:26:49,702 --> 02:26:54,527
This is a state pilot voucher program that does what it says

2973
02:26:54,527 --> 02:26:58,517
it's got do it is a state level voucher for 5,000 families.

2974
02:26:58,517 --> 02:27:00,840
It was approved in the last budget.

2975
02:27:00,840 --> 02:27:02,665
It is a simple as in.

2976
02:27:02,665 --> 02:27:04,727
It's a clean ask It is a complicated ask

2977
02:27:04,727 --> 02:27:07,144
for the legislators because they've got to find the money.

2978
02:27:07,144 --> 02:27:11,657
But it is it would significantly expand the number of people

2979
02:27:11,657 --> 02:27:16,547
who are able to actually afford housing in this Commonwealth.

2980
02:27:16,547 --> 02:27:18,943
And it would be a simple thing for us to ask for.

2981
02:27:18,943 --> 02:27:21,917
And it would help elevate this kind of wonky program

2982
02:27:21,917 --> 02:27:25,667
that really just does the simple key thing that most people need

2983
02:27:25,667 --> 02:27:30,770
to access housing, which is give them money to access housing.

2984
02:27:30,770 --> 02:27:32,927
So I would ask that you chew on that

2985
02:27:32,927 --> 02:27:35,357
and consider whether or not that would be something

2986
02:27:35,357 --> 02:27:38,630
you'd be interested to add to the legislative program

2987
02:27:38,630 --> 02:27:42,647
The M.A. we've talked about it multiple times on this board

2988
02:27:42,647 --> 02:27:45,557
during my time here, I would ask that we

2989
02:27:45,557 --> 02:27:50,357
consider adding that today Supervisor Mitchell Thank you.

2990
02:27:51,677 --> 02:27:54,978
I'm in the same boat as Supervisor Duncan

2991
02:27:54,978 --> 02:27:57,496
in a lot of ways, so I'll ask a few questions

2992
02:27:57,496 --> 02:28:01,277
and one is I'll just kind of sort of riff on what

2993
02:28:01,277 --> 02:28:02,507
you were just talking about.

2994
02:28:02,507 --> 02:28:04,907
The affordable housing piece.

2995
02:28:05,147 --> 02:28:06,827
And let me ask a general question

2996
02:28:06,827 --> 02:28:09,347
So I'm looking at the 2027 legislative program, which

2997
02:28:09,347 --> 02:28:11,503
is attachment A, I think that's where

2998
02:28:11,503 --> 02:28:14,437
we're those are where we're asking questions and adding

2999
02:28:14,437 --> 02:28:15,627
suggestions to.

3000
02:28:15,627 --> 02:28:16,421
Correct.

3001
02:28:16,421 --> 02:28:18,912
OK So on there, it does talk about affordable housing

3002
02:28:18,912 --> 02:28:20,537
because I was wondering the same thing.

3003
02:28:20,537 --> 02:28:22,970
It's very general support legislation

3004
02:28:22,970 --> 02:28:23,930
that promotes the production of preservation

3005
02:28:23,930 --> 02:28:26,177
of affordable housing whether through state support

3006
02:28:26,177 --> 02:28:28,577
or enhanced enabling authority.

3007
02:28:28,907 --> 02:28:31,697
Do we need to add more detail to it like you're suggesting,

3008
02:28:31,697 --> 02:28:34,847
or is that enough to cover at this level

3009
02:28:34,847 --> 02:28:37,247
those types of programs?

3010
02:28:37,487 --> 02:28:39,660
If the questions to me, I would say we

3011
02:28:39,660 --> 02:28:41,167
have a limited amount of time.

3012
02:28:41,167 --> 02:28:43,997
And sometimes it comes down to what are the five things

3013
02:28:43,997 --> 02:28:45,649
we're asking for this year ?

3014
02:28:45,649 --> 02:28:48,617
OK, we have a bullet of normally specific bills.

3015
02:28:48,617 --> 02:28:51,166
So it's appropriate to get more specific in each one

3016
02:28:51,166 --> 02:28:51,999
of these categories.

3017
02:28:51,999 --> 02:28:52,753
If if necessary.

3018
02:28:52,753 --> 02:28:55,337
That's what I'm just and I don't want to get out of turn

3019
02:28:55,337 --> 02:28:57,437
without trying to make this money

3020
02:28:57,437 --> 02:28:58,937
or disagreeing with stuff Yeah, I'm

3021
02:28:58,937 --> 02:29:01,370
just asking that question to sort of craft

3022
02:29:01,370 --> 02:29:02,718
my other comments as well Yeah.

3023
02:29:02,718 --> 02:29:05,837
And I think I would offer that if and when there

3024
02:29:05,837 --> 02:29:10,247
is a very specific item to borrow Mr. Pruitt's language

3025
02:29:10,247 --> 02:29:12,686
to ask them to introduce as a bill.

3026
02:29:12,686 --> 02:29:14,733
Yeah, it's it would be appropriate to say,

3027
02:29:14,733 --> 02:29:17,270
let's add that to let's add this very specific thing

3028
02:29:17,270 --> 02:29:18,437
to the program.

3029
02:29:18,437 --> 02:29:23,867
It's where it's items where the board is broad and supportive

3030
02:29:23,867 --> 02:29:26,117
of action in that area, but does not

3031
02:29:26,117 --> 02:29:31,127
have a specific solution in mind where the positions and policies

3032
02:29:31,127 --> 02:29:33,767
statements will sort of lean into those But if you know,

3033
02:29:33,767 --> 02:29:37,547
if housing Albemarle had a very specific state code

3034
02:29:37,547 --> 02:29:40,247
change that would really help advance that work.

3035
02:29:40,247 --> 02:29:43,427
If we would recommend that the board add that specifically

3036
02:29:43,427 --> 02:29:45,137
to the program So that's something

3037
02:29:45,137 --> 02:29:48,852
that we could ask our local delegation to introduce Okay.

3038
02:29:48,852 --> 02:29:50,519
Well, then I'll ask these questions just

3039
02:29:50,519 --> 02:29:53,285
for what it's worth, and maybe, maybe some of them are,

3040
02:29:53,285 --> 02:29:56,290
are a little bit outside of what this is intended to be.

3041
02:29:56,290 --> 02:29:57,977
But I'll just throw them out there

3042
02:29:57,977 --> 02:30:00,647
One is the photo speed camera piece.

3043
02:30:00,647 --> 02:30:04,787
I'm just curious why limit the eligibility to 35mph higher?

3044
02:30:04,787 --> 02:30:08,687
Because there are other areas where there are 25mph or less,

3045
02:30:08,687 --> 02:30:12,470
whether it's schools or other locations,

3046
02:30:12,470 --> 02:30:15,470
rural communities etc., that it may apply to.

3047
02:30:15,470 --> 02:30:17,477
Is there a reason that we cut it at 35?

3048
02:30:17,477 --> 02:30:20,189
It's a max There's a max low as well.

3049
02:30:20,189 --> 02:30:21,227
Oh, and below.

3050
02:30:21,227 --> 02:30:21,973
OK, gotcha.

3051
02:30:21,973 --> 02:30:22,473
OK.

3052
02:30:22,473 --> 02:30:26,140
So it could be on other roads that are below the 35.

3053
02:30:26,140 --> 02:30:26,991
It's not just 30.

3054
02:30:26,991 --> 02:30:30,437
Mike, thank you The housing section.

3055
02:30:30,437 --> 02:30:31,937
I think there's one thing that we've

3056
02:30:31,937 --> 02:30:34,370
talked a little bit about here, and I

3057
02:30:34,370 --> 02:30:36,917
don't know if it's worth putting in because the language speaks

3058
02:30:36,917 --> 02:30:41,387
to most of the funding but I just don't want us to lose track

3059
02:30:41,387 --> 02:30:44,357
of the importance of having a streamlined review

3060
02:30:44,357 --> 02:30:48,770
process and possible incentives for affordable housing

3061
02:30:48,770 --> 02:30:51,257
and whether that gets added to that housing section in terms

3062
02:30:51,257 --> 02:30:52,667
of support.

3063
02:30:52,667 --> 02:30:54,707
So state support enhanced enabling

3064
02:30:54,707 --> 02:30:56,807
authority, streamlined review process

3065
02:30:56,807 --> 02:30:58,517
and potential incentives.

3066
02:30:58,517 --> 02:31:05,117
I think would be helpful You know the discussion that we're

3067
02:31:05,525 --> 02:31:08,117
talking about relative to mostly in southern albemarle

3068
02:31:08,117 --> 02:31:10,218
and the case for some of that fun stuff,

3069
02:31:10,218 --> 02:31:12,257
talking about stream preservation,

3070
02:31:12,257 --> 02:31:14,327
we now have a riparian buffer ordinance,

3071
02:31:14,327 --> 02:31:17,297
which I think is very helpful.

3072
02:31:17,297 --> 02:31:20,657
I don't know if the environment if there's anything in here that

3073
02:31:20,657 --> 02:31:24,227
should be considered in terms of sediment,

3074
02:31:24,227 --> 02:31:28,517
erosion control, those types of things As as a broader subject

3075
02:31:28,517 --> 02:31:33,917
to consider And I think that I would also

3076
02:31:35,687 --> 02:31:37,370
echo the broadband piece.

3077
02:31:37,370 --> 02:31:40,700
I know we've been part of that.

3078
02:31:40,700 --> 02:31:43,670
I think Supervisor Brewer and I have been part of those meetings

3079
02:31:43,670 --> 02:31:45,467
and has seen the progress.

3080
02:31:45,467 --> 02:31:49,770
But the supervisor advisor, Mallex comments that still not

3081
02:31:49,770 --> 02:31:49,637
complete.

3082
02:31:49,637 --> 02:31:51,887
So I don't know if we want to completely take it off

3083
02:31:51,887 --> 02:31:54,947
or if we feel like the programs that we have in place have

3084
02:31:54,947 --> 02:31:58,787
enough traction and momentum to get the job done,

3085
02:31:58,787 --> 02:32:02,613
or if we need to continue to push that, that's it.

3086
02:32:02,613 --> 02:32:05,970
That's supervisor opposed to currently.

3087
02:32:05,970 --> 02:32:05,597
Okay.

3088
02:32:05,597 --> 02:32:08,987
First of all, I just want to clarify if I misunderstood,

3089
02:32:08,987 --> 02:32:11,447
but for the photo speed cameras is

3090
02:32:11,447 --> 02:32:15,137
for it applies only to segments and secondary roads

3091
02:32:15,137 --> 02:32:19,215
having posted speeds of 35 miles or higher it does

3092
02:32:19,215 --> 02:32:22,680
say it does set with speed side.

3093
02:32:22,680 --> 02:32:25,680
Yeah Composite crash fatalities supports

3094
02:32:25,225 --> 02:32:26,267
and everything like that.

3095
02:32:26,267 --> 02:32:28,217
So your point can be lower.

3096
02:32:28,217 --> 02:32:29,387
We we don't know yet.

3097
02:32:29,387 --> 02:32:34,400
We haven't gotten anywhere with this despite you know,

3098
02:32:34,400 --> 02:32:37,217
we've been to Richmond, we've spoken to the committee

3099
02:32:37,217 --> 02:32:38,447
and everything.

3100
02:32:38,447 --> 02:32:41,537
But hopefully maybe it will gain some traction

3101
02:32:41,537 --> 02:32:43,217
because I think this is something

3102
02:32:43,217 --> 02:32:45,947
that the rural areas are asking a lot.

3103
02:32:45,947 --> 02:32:50,327
And I think it should go more so to some of the smaller roads

3104
02:32:50,327 --> 02:32:52,187
right now, secondary roads.

3105
02:32:52,187 --> 02:32:57,587
But having said that, again I think i can't.

3106
02:33:01,637 --> 02:33:04,869
Oh, I regarding Amtrak, well, first of all,

3107
02:33:04,869 --> 02:33:07,978
I like the whole agenda, so that's not a problem.

3108
02:33:07,978 --> 02:33:09,470
I like the whole agenda.

3109
02:33:09,470 --> 02:33:14,357
I just have a couple of questions The Amtrak improvement

3110
02:33:14,357 --> 02:33:16,757
does that affect us?

3111
02:33:18,197 --> 02:33:23,117
Yes So when all of the capital projects that are currently

3112
02:33:23,117 --> 02:33:26,117
being undertaken are complete, that

3113
02:33:26,627 --> 02:33:30,317
provides capacity for Amtrak passenger rail service

3114
02:33:30,317 --> 02:33:34,817
to allow a second train from the Charlottesville station

3115
02:33:34,817 --> 02:33:38,957
to that heads up to Washington, D.C. And beyond.

3116
02:33:38,957 --> 02:33:44,297
And then it also opens up some opportunity is across

3117
02:33:44,297 --> 02:33:48,779
across the commonwealth And I don't know Mr. Blunt knows more.

3118
02:33:48,779 --> 02:33:51,797
Yeah, but there's the capital projects for Amtrak

3119
02:33:51,797 --> 02:33:54,449
will provide additional service for Charlottesville.

3120
02:33:54,449 --> 02:33:57,449
OK So that's that's good.

3121
02:33:57,812 --> 02:34:01,412
I agree regarding the legislative deadlines

3122
02:34:01,907 --> 02:34:05,687
and I and I think we're we're aware we've been doing

3123
02:34:05,687 --> 02:34:07,970
this for several years now.

3124
02:34:07,970 --> 02:34:09,227
We're we're always coming into late.

3125
02:34:09,227 --> 02:34:11,327
So how that gets fixed, I don't know.

3126
02:34:11,327 --> 02:34:15,737
But it's been a few years that we keep saying that.

3127
02:34:15,737 --> 02:34:17,807
Also regarding broadband that was

3128
02:34:17,807 --> 02:34:21,170
supposed to have been completed for the county

3129
02:34:21,170 --> 02:34:22,937
last December of 25.

3130
02:34:22,937 --> 02:34:27,467
Now they're saying spring of 27 for the complete year.

3131
02:34:27,467 --> 02:34:30,347
And we do have some real outliers

3132
02:34:30,347 --> 02:34:33,227
there with like a three mile long driveway that

3133
02:34:33,227 --> 02:34:36,467
is proving very challenging But it's now

3134
02:34:36,467 --> 02:34:38,327
supposed to be spring of 27.

3135
02:34:38,327 --> 02:34:42,487
So hopefully the Northwest area of Albemarle

3136
02:34:42,487 --> 02:34:47,867
gets taken care of But those just those comments.

3137
02:34:47,867 --> 02:34:52,757
But I do approve of what I didn't I did want to ask

3138
02:34:52,757 --> 02:34:55,452
supervisor Pruitt though you mentioned 5,000.

3139
02:34:55,452 --> 02:35:01,452
It helps that the state has a program for 5,000 vouchers

3140
02:35:01,777 --> 02:35:04,930
program is called 5,000 families.

3141
02:35:04,930 --> 02:35:05,529
It is that local.

3142
02:35:05,529 --> 02:35:08,297
It it's a state administered voucher program.

3143
02:35:08,297 --> 02:35:10,437
Similar to the housing choice voucher program.

3144
02:35:10,437 --> 02:35:13,660
And that was created through the budget this year,

3145
02:35:13,660 --> 02:35:16,307
statewide or locality based I believe

3146
02:35:16,307 --> 02:35:22,487
it is statewide and dispersed as state vouchers through the local

3147
02:35:22,487 --> 02:35:23,807
So we administer them.

3148
02:35:23,807 --> 02:35:25,577
But i don't want to get over my skis.

3149
02:35:25,577 --> 02:35:26,477
It's brand new.

3150
02:35:26,477 --> 02:35:29,307
I'm not even sure if vouchers are live on it yet.

3151
02:35:29,307 --> 02:35:29,807
Okay.

3152
02:35:29,807 --> 02:35:32,747
And we don't know if they're going to allocate so many

3153
02:35:32,747 --> 02:35:37,218
per area, you know, for city or county.

3154
02:35:37,218 --> 02:35:42,107
Okay But I mean, that sounds like a good program That's all.

3155
02:35:42,107 --> 02:35:44,107
Thank you.

3156
02:35:44,597 --> 02:35:47,237
I just want can I circle back around on broadband

3157
02:35:47,237 --> 02:35:51,942
because I realize I didn't talk about it I just want to one,

3158
02:35:51,942 --> 02:35:54,317
clarify and kind of add a little bit more texture to what

3159
02:35:54,317 --> 02:35:56,417
supervisor Pistole currently was saying about what

3160
02:35:56,417 --> 02:36:00,170
the current status of deployment is

3161
02:36:00,107 --> 02:36:02,297
and how I think that should affect our positions.

3162
02:36:02,297 --> 02:36:06,497
Statement So Body 2021 is our primary vehicle

3163
02:36:07,727 --> 02:36:10,727
for funding the existing expansion

3164
02:36:12,362 --> 02:36:17,537
that's going to cover 99.9% of the county and the main outlier

3165
02:36:17,537 --> 02:36:20,417
and remaining work to be done is correct.

3166
02:36:20,417 --> 02:36:24,839
The early civil service area, which is probably getting

3167
02:36:24,839 --> 02:36:26,297
deployed before spring because they

3168
02:36:26,297 --> 02:36:27,979
want to get their money, which they

3169
02:36:27,979 --> 02:36:29,914
can't get their money for it.

3170
02:36:29,914 --> 02:36:32,687
If they go past the end of the year.

3171
02:36:32,687 --> 02:36:35,140
But that is in process and is already program.

3172
02:36:35,140 --> 02:36:36,557
There are not more houses that are

3173
02:36:36,557 --> 02:36:37,937
going to be coming out of that.

3174
02:36:37,937 --> 02:36:41,820
There's then an additional something like 1,400 households

3175
02:36:41,820 --> 02:36:44,682
that are going to remain unserved.

3176
02:36:44,867 --> 02:36:47,717
Most of those are getting picked up in be said.

3177
02:36:47,717 --> 02:36:49,784
That is the federal program that's

3178
02:36:49,784 --> 02:36:51,910
going to take a longer cool down time.

3179
02:36:51,910 --> 02:36:54,167
But we have done our piece in administering

3180
02:36:54,167 --> 02:36:58,277
that And those most of those will get additionally served.

3181
02:36:58,277 --> 02:37:00,827
There are few pulled out of that that

3182
02:37:00,827 --> 02:37:04,487
would remain unserved, which we are currently identifying

3183
02:37:04,487 --> 02:37:09,857
how we could best serve them for a round of funding of 80 2026.

3184
02:37:09,857 --> 02:37:12,775
This is all just to say, I think we actually have our Vanessa.

3185
02:37:12,775 --> 02:37:14,477
It's a rare thing for me to say.

3186
02:37:14,477 --> 02:37:16,607
I think we have the funding vehicles.

3187
02:37:16,607 --> 02:37:19,787
I think it's just a matter of remaining implementation

3188
02:37:19,787 --> 02:37:22,637
and so I would concur with staff that I

3189
02:37:22,637 --> 02:37:26,984
don't think we need to request funding on that still.

3190
02:37:26,984 --> 02:37:29,526
I think it's important that we still have a request in there.

3191
02:37:29,526 --> 02:37:32,647
But I think we need to be talking about affordability.

3192
02:37:32,647 --> 02:37:35,470
Consumer Protection and reliability

3193
02:37:35,867 --> 02:37:39,917
which I would suggest means more than digital equity

3194
02:37:39,917 --> 02:37:41,477
to someone who's going to read this.

3195
02:37:41,477 --> 02:37:43,847
But that is digital equity.

3196
02:37:43,847 --> 02:37:46,767
So it just might be prudent to I know.

3197
02:37:46,767 --> 02:37:47,267
Mr..

3198
02:37:47,267 --> 02:37:50,657
And if went has used that language because that

3199
02:37:50,657 --> 02:37:55,970
is the language of the trade I might suggest.

3200
02:37:55,970 --> 02:37:59,387
I'm not sure delegate Laufer knows what it means

3201
02:37:59,387 --> 02:38:02,357
when you say it Digital equity.

3202
02:38:02,357 --> 02:38:05,950
And so maybe we should say broadband affordability,

3203
02:38:05,950 --> 02:38:07,495
broadband, consumer protection funding

3204
02:38:08,267 --> 02:38:10,667
and broadband reliability Sorry.

3205
02:38:12,767 --> 02:38:13,307
Thank you.

3206
02:38:13,307 --> 02:38:19,517
Yeah In the interest of time, I won't do any transfer station

3207
02:38:19,517 --> 02:38:25,787
lectures today, but the bus, I think speaking to the timing,

3208
02:38:25,787 --> 02:38:28,817
I think that man, the whole piece

3209
02:38:28,817 --> 02:38:31,508
of your too late coming in, and meeting this goes back back

3210
02:38:31,508 --> 02:38:33,197
to when I was on the school board

3211
02:38:33,197 --> 02:38:35,477
and was being told the same thing as a school board.

3212
02:38:35,477 --> 02:38:38,570
And what is the primary obstacle?

3213
02:38:38,570 --> 02:38:40,457
It's getting us all together at the same time.

3214
02:38:40,457 --> 02:38:42,587
As always, the scheduling conundrum.

3215
02:38:42,587 --> 02:38:44,867
So why are we not just going to by twos

3216
02:38:44,867 --> 02:38:46,867
with individual legislators?

3217
02:38:47,270 --> 02:38:50,456
We could take the supervisors who are the best on the topic.

3218
02:38:50,456 --> 02:38:53,978
So if we did, mentee might could be on that two by 2.

3219
02:38:53,978 --> 02:38:57,238
We've just been volunteer aired meet with an individual One

3220
02:38:57,238 --> 02:38:57,738
person.

3221
02:38:57,738 --> 02:38:59,500
But we could do it where we don't

3222
02:38:59,500 --> 02:39:02,177
have to meet all together Let's remove the obstacle

3223
02:39:02,177 --> 02:39:03,557
to the timing problem.

3224
02:39:03,557 --> 02:39:06,797
If we want to get all together for the show of it,

3225
02:39:06,797 --> 02:39:09,797
the performance of it we could still do that.

3226
02:39:09,797 --> 02:39:12,489
And all of those 2 by 2s would have happened.

3227
02:39:12,489 --> 02:39:14,971
The nitty gritty conversations, the advocacy could happen.

3228
02:39:14,971 --> 02:39:18,167
We would trust that board members would advocate

3229
02:39:18,167 --> 02:39:20,387
for the board regardless of who the two are,

3230
02:39:20,387 --> 02:39:22,730
with whichever individual person, and then

3231
02:39:22,730 --> 02:39:26,314
the pull together could be Well, here's

3232
02:39:26,314 --> 02:39:28,269
the summary of the conversations and then we

3233
02:39:28,269 --> 02:39:30,767
don't get into you missed the deadline or the early bird

3234
02:39:30,767 --> 02:39:31,970
deadline.

3235
02:39:31,970 --> 02:39:33,264
I didn't even know there was an early bird deadline.

3236
02:39:33,264 --> 02:39:36,887
So that's a new one for me But I think

3237
02:39:36,887 --> 02:39:40,487
that we have to get past because this is a common complaint going

3238
02:39:40,487 --> 02:39:42,470
back a long time.

3239
02:39:42,470 --> 02:39:45,447
And it's time if we keep trying to do the same damn thing,

3240
02:39:45,447 --> 02:39:45,947
we were.

3241
02:39:45,947 --> 02:39:47,897
That supervisor is not here anymore

3242
02:39:47,897 --> 02:39:49,697
that you know, you get the same result.

3243
02:39:49,697 --> 02:39:50,957
Why are we still doing it?

3244
02:39:50,957 --> 02:39:52,997
And then we just talk about it in the fall.

3245
02:39:52,997 --> 02:39:55,832
So could we make the effort right now to go.

3246
02:39:55,832 --> 02:39:59,477
Let's let's set up a strategy, work on your group meeting.

3247
02:39:59,477 --> 02:40:00,107
That's fine.

3248
02:40:00,107 --> 02:40:01,982
They want to come and be with us all together

3249
02:40:01,982 --> 02:40:03,887
and have chats and conversations, especially

3250
02:40:03,887 --> 02:40:06,287
leading into election year, which is a priority.

3251
02:40:06,287 --> 02:40:07,847
We heard that earlier from Mr. Blunt

3252
02:40:07,847 --> 02:40:10,670
that they want to get out of Dodge because they

3253
02:40:10,670 --> 02:40:12,986
want to go campaign Then.

3254
02:40:12,986 --> 02:40:15,830
OK, then let's we will do that.

3255
02:40:15,830 --> 02:40:17,955
And I think it's important for us to get together with them.

3256
02:40:17,955 --> 02:40:19,622
And we can speak kind of philosophically

3257
02:40:19,622 --> 02:40:20,890
in those moments.

3258
02:40:20,890 --> 02:40:23,570
But let's get the grunt work happening on the street

3259
02:40:23,570 --> 02:40:25,367
before the end of September, if that's doable.

3260
02:40:25,367 --> 02:40:27,767
And I think that certainly which saying we can look at,

3261
02:40:27,767 --> 02:40:30,977
I'd have two comments in response that First of all that

3262
02:40:30,977 --> 02:40:34,547
in my past experience, it's not so much the six board members,

3263
02:40:34,547 --> 02:40:37,219
it's the scheduling constraint it's the three legislators.

3264
02:40:37,219 --> 02:40:39,875
I get it that they're the ones that say, oh, we

3265
02:40:39,875 --> 02:40:42,137
can't do it, and so on and so forth So,

3266
02:40:42,137 --> 02:40:44,267
so getting the six of you together is not nearly as

3267
02:40:44,267 --> 02:40:46,559
big of a timing constraint as getting the three of them

3268
02:40:46,559 --> 02:40:48,257
together, two of us getting after.

3269
02:40:48,257 --> 02:40:51,257
And I'm not saying to people, go meet with all three.

3270
02:40:51,257 --> 02:40:53,357
I'm saying to can go meet with these two.

3271
02:40:53,357 --> 02:40:55,179
Others could meet with blood and how

3272
02:40:55,179 --> 02:40:57,137
are they going to get around that Right now, we

3273
02:40:57,137 --> 02:41:01,667
don't have to accommodate three state representatives schedules.

3274
02:41:01,667 --> 02:41:04,524
We have to accommodate one individually

3275
02:41:04,524 --> 02:41:06,107
and we can do it collectively and then

3276
02:41:06,107 --> 02:41:07,899
we can figure out the other conundrum later

3277
02:41:07,899 --> 02:41:09,166
that that certainly an option.

3278
02:41:09,166 --> 02:41:09,804
The second.

3279
02:41:09,804 --> 02:41:12,604
Come, I have for you is that this isn't an election year.

3280
02:41:12,604 --> 02:41:13,693
So it's not an issue.

3281
02:41:13,693 --> 02:41:15,587
But in election years, we often don't

3282
02:41:15,587 --> 02:41:18,713
know who are legislators will be until after election day.

3283
02:41:18,713 --> 02:41:22,630
And so there's that problem that in election years,

3284
02:41:22,630 --> 02:41:23,896
we don't know who are delegates are going to

3285
02:41:23,896 --> 02:41:26,254
and senators are going to be until after election day.

3286
02:41:26,254 --> 02:41:29,105
So that's that one of the reasons why it's typically

3287
02:41:29,105 --> 02:41:31,397
held later so that we actually know who are represented

3288
02:41:31,397 --> 02:41:32,349
are going to be.

3289
02:41:32,349 --> 02:41:33,372
Yeah, I get it.

3290
02:41:33,372 --> 02:41:33,872
Understood.

3291
02:41:33,872 --> 02:41:35,205
And we can accommodate for that.

3292
02:41:35,205 --> 02:41:35,966
But at least.

3293
02:41:35,966 --> 02:41:37,966
Let's get the conversations going We're already.

3294
02:41:37,966 --> 02:41:40,397
I mean, they all invited us for one on ones earlier

3295
02:41:40,397 --> 02:41:42,407
and the spring following the session.

3296
02:41:42,407 --> 02:41:45,347
And people when I know some of you all went and met.

3297
02:41:45,347 --> 02:41:47,417
So, I mean, let's just build on that strategy

3298
02:41:47,417 --> 02:41:48,707
and see what we can do.

3299
02:41:48,707 --> 02:41:52,427
We all got our packets, so you all have your individual things

3300
02:41:52,427 --> 02:41:57,200
that you could say, but in a two by two, you can help each other,

3301
02:41:57,200 --> 02:42:00,557
could help accommodate making sure we stay true to the board.

3302
02:42:00,557 --> 02:42:04,370
The collective board approach to the legislative position,

3303
02:42:04,370 --> 02:42:06,407
and then we can do the all together,

3304
02:42:06,407 --> 02:42:08,717
get together later as we normally do.

3305
02:42:08,717 --> 02:42:12,347
Should the supervisor Galloway one one open item

3306
02:42:12,347 --> 02:42:14,451
that I would add to Mr. Harris list

3307
02:42:14,451 --> 02:42:18,527
is just the board would formally adopt the program

3308
02:42:18,527 --> 02:42:23,212
for this coming year at your October 21 board meeting.

3309
02:42:23,212 --> 02:42:25,907
And unless you all wanted to give direction on the items

3310
02:42:25,907 --> 02:42:27,802
before us ahead of that and then we

3311
02:42:27,802 --> 02:42:29,177
could start working on scheduling

3312
02:42:29,177 --> 02:42:30,896
those meetings with the legislators in September.

3313
02:42:30,896 --> 02:42:31,396
OK.

3314
02:42:31,396 --> 02:42:35,420
So that sounds like a hiccup for this year

3315
02:42:35,420 --> 02:42:37,597
But next year, we can approve our platform knowing

3316
02:42:37,597 --> 02:42:38,897
that the schedule changes.

3317
02:42:38,897 --> 02:42:40,457
So everything else can change.

3318
02:42:40,457 --> 02:42:42,227
This is all fixable.

3319
02:42:42,227 --> 02:42:46,337
And workable and in my mind, is there any objection from anybody

3320
02:42:46,337 --> 02:42:46,937
to that?

3321
02:42:46,937 --> 02:42:47,437
No.

3322
02:42:47,437 --> 02:42:50,217
Makes sense that that would be an improvement to the 2027

3323
02:42:50,217 --> 02:42:50,717
program.

3324
02:42:50,717 --> 02:42:53,387
But yes, so notice but I mean I'm

3325
02:42:53,387 --> 02:42:55,307
saying can we start trying to get together

3326
02:42:55,307 --> 02:42:56,957
with individual people now?

3327
02:42:56,957 --> 02:42:58,517
So we can have some conversations

3328
02:42:58,517 --> 02:42:59,897
about what we're talking about?

3329
02:42:59,897 --> 02:43:00,797
This year?

3330
02:43:00,797 --> 02:43:01,997
You're welcome to.

3331
02:43:01,997 --> 02:43:02,605
But as ms..

3332
02:43:02,605 --> 02:43:05,147
Kilbride pointed out, the board isn't going to formally adopt

3333
02:43:05,147 --> 02:43:09,100
this until October 21st unless we were able to get on a sooner

3334
02:43:09,100 --> 02:43:09,663
agenda.

3335
02:43:09,663 --> 02:43:11,717
Or unless the board wanted to provide direction

3336
02:43:11,717 --> 02:43:14,987
to date to I think there were some proposals

3337
02:43:14,987 --> 02:43:18,257
during this discussion regarding the M.A.

3338
02:43:18,257 --> 02:43:21,850
as well as adding elevating transportation funding So

3339
02:43:21,850 --> 02:43:23,417
if we have that list of three items

3340
02:43:23,417 --> 02:43:25,380
formally fully planned to bring us together

3341
02:43:25,380 --> 02:43:27,797
on what the direction will be at the end of the conference

3342
02:43:27,797 --> 02:43:29,417
session, I don't think we need to wait

3343
02:43:29,417 --> 02:43:33,377
for a formal adoption of agree to get there

3344
02:43:33,377 --> 02:43:36,747
because we're all nobody's objected to anything that I

3345
02:43:36,747 --> 02:43:37,247
could hear.

3346
02:43:37,247 --> 02:43:38,177
I hear nuancing.

3347
02:43:38,177 --> 02:43:40,206
If anything So I don't hear anybody going.

3348
02:43:40,206 --> 02:43:41,278
I don't agree with that.

3349
02:43:41,278 --> 02:43:42,350
I don't agree with that.

3350
02:43:42,350 --> 02:43:44,238
But yeah we got to get better at this.

3351
02:43:44,238 --> 02:43:45,770
Sure.

3352
02:43:45,770 --> 02:43:49,700
And let's not just because saddle up for another year doing

3353
02:43:49,700 --> 02:43:51,251
it the same old way when we can attempt something,

3354
02:43:51,251 --> 02:43:54,261
and that could inform us better for next year And that's not

3355
02:43:54,261 --> 02:43:56,925
criticism to any of y'all because the board just needs

3356
02:43:56,925 --> 02:43:58,217
to say, All right, let's do it.

3357
02:43:58,217 --> 02:44:00,287
Let's do it differently right now.

3358
02:44:00,287 --> 02:44:04,670
Yeah I did want to say that the three legislators,

3359
02:44:04,670 --> 02:44:06,317
I think it's going to be a yearly thing.

3360
02:44:06,317 --> 02:44:07,487
I know they came this year.

3361
02:44:07,487 --> 02:44:11,112
It was on a Sunday was a town hall meeting here

3362
02:44:11,112 --> 02:44:12,987
And that would be a perfect opportune minute.

3363
02:44:12,987 --> 02:44:15,317
If we could get on their schedule for next year

3364
02:44:15,317 --> 02:44:19,870
to then have a meeting with the board That was on a Sunday.

3365
02:44:19,870 --> 02:44:21,287
But you know, that's where I guess

3366
02:44:21,287 --> 02:44:23,567
we'll be open to all ideas for next year.

3367
02:44:23,567 --> 02:44:26,417
I think like right now it's like, let's get this.

3368
02:44:26,417 --> 02:44:28,577
Yeah, let's get some traction and get on the,

3369
02:44:28,577 --> 02:44:30,557
get, get out on the street right now with them

3370
02:44:30,557 --> 02:44:32,870
and try to talk about it.

3371
02:44:32,870 --> 02:44:34,157
The only other thing I wanted to talk about today

3372
02:44:34,157 --> 02:44:35,537
is transportation.

3373
02:44:35,537 --> 02:44:36,427
And it's not funding.

3374
02:44:36,427 --> 02:44:38,927
And it actually doesn't change anything in this packet other

3375
02:44:38,927 --> 02:44:40,127
than some wording.

3376
02:44:40,127 --> 02:44:43,637
So I did suggest some altered change to the transportation

3377
02:44:43,637 --> 02:44:46,546
position statement, and it was primarily just the First

3378
02:44:46,546 --> 02:44:47,380
of those statements.

3379
02:44:47,380 --> 02:44:49,882
The rest, if I did what I thought I did,

3380
02:44:49,882 --> 02:44:52,607
I think I I might have adjusted it.

3381
02:44:52,607 --> 02:44:56,867
But it basically kept items two through five the same,

3382
02:44:56,867 --> 02:44:58,697
but item one is what I've changed.

3383
02:44:58,697 --> 02:45:01,757
I'm not asking for a bill from any of these three.

3384
02:45:01,757 --> 02:45:03,467
And frankly, it's not.

3385
02:45:03,467 --> 02:45:06,287
Don't even need much time in our meeting with them

3386
02:45:06,287 --> 02:45:09,197
because the clearly the letter that I'm advocating for

3387
02:45:09,197 --> 02:45:11,357
is a whole different approach and strategy.

3388
02:45:11,357 --> 02:45:13,352
And isn't even a funding ask.

3389
02:45:13,352 --> 02:45:14,897
So quick note 2020.

3390
02:45:14,897 --> 02:45:17,327
2021 J Clerk did their study.

3391
02:45:17,327 --> 02:45:20,927
The General Assembly advocated another $560,000,055 million

3392
02:45:22,127 --> 02:45:24,900
to two to transport that year.

3393
02:45:24,900 --> 02:45:28,367
And lo and behold didn't really go too far right.

3394
02:45:28,367 --> 02:45:30,557
And one of their great ideas was the mileage use

3395
02:45:30,557 --> 02:45:32,417
for the voluntary thing that literally

3396
02:45:32,417 --> 02:45:35,171
says if you choose to be taxed, whoever

3397
02:45:35,171 --> 02:45:38,400
is going to say yes when they read that phrase,

3398
02:45:38,400 --> 02:45:41,104
regardless of all the other content, the repeal,

3399
02:45:41,104 --> 02:45:42,527
the text that had been passed.

3400
02:45:42,527 --> 02:45:44,507
And the funny thing is is it's lumped into all

3401
02:45:44,507 --> 02:45:45,467
the other use fees.

3402
02:45:45,467 --> 02:45:48,134
And I haven't been able to find what actually has been collected

3403
02:45:48,134 --> 02:45:50,777
from the voluntary mileage use program

3404
02:45:50,777 --> 02:45:53,672
or whatever it's called anyway, the strategy.

3405
02:45:53,672 --> 02:45:57,197
I'm asking the board to adopt is to call on the governor

3406
02:45:57,197 --> 02:46:00,137
to convene a conversation because a lot of work

3407
02:46:00,137 --> 02:46:00,767
has been done.

3408
02:46:00,767 --> 02:46:03,917
I appreciate that our new Commonwealth transportation

3409
02:46:03,917 --> 02:46:06,344
Board representative and the Virginia Department,

3410
02:46:06,344 --> 02:46:09,470
the transportation secretary, keeps saying,

3411
02:46:09,470 --> 02:46:11,507
well, we got to get better at prioritization Actually,

3412
02:46:11,507 --> 02:46:13,517
Virginia compared to all the other states,

3413
02:46:13,517 --> 02:46:16,517
does a damn good job of prioritizing the projects

3414
02:46:16,517 --> 02:46:18,857
But at the end of the day, fewer and fewer priorities

3415
02:46:18,857 --> 02:46:22,427
get done because of the funding model and the 558 million

3416
02:46:22,427 --> 02:46:24,617
that they added is the proof that this

3417
02:46:24,617 --> 02:46:26,657
isn't a budget decision.

3418
02:46:26,657 --> 02:46:29,567
It's not a two year or a one year budget.

3419
02:46:29,567 --> 02:46:30,947
It never will be.

3420
02:46:30,947 --> 02:46:32,537
They have to look at and go okay,

3421
02:46:32,537 --> 02:46:35,305
for the next 50 years, what's the program going

3422
02:46:35,305 --> 02:46:37,847
to be that's going to adequately do what our transport nation

3423
02:46:37,847 --> 02:46:38,897
program is going to do?

3424
02:46:38,897 --> 02:46:41,570
And that's the part that they're not doing.

3425
02:46:41,570 --> 02:46:42,707
They've talked around it.

3426
02:46:42,707 --> 02:46:46,370
There's ideas but now it's time to get the decision

3427
02:46:46,370 --> 02:46:49,907
makers in the room and convene and this

3428
02:46:49,907 --> 02:46:52,127
was not because sometimes it's like, well,

3429
02:46:52,127 --> 02:46:53,570
am I just doing this?

3430
02:46:53,570 --> 02:46:55,700
Is this just Albemarle?

3431
02:46:55,700 --> 02:46:57,377
It's not going to ever be accomplished

3432
02:46:57,377 --> 02:47:00,347
if one locality is just alone trying to do this

3433
02:47:00,347 --> 02:47:02,417
and yelling and screaming, it's going

3434
02:47:02,417 --> 02:47:05,570
to take the collective effort of all the localities

3435
02:47:05,570 --> 02:47:08,177
and that effort was well received at the Virginia

3436
02:47:08,177 --> 02:47:10,370
Associated Counties Summer session

3437
02:47:10,370 --> 02:47:12,557
at the Transportation Committee So I fully

3438
02:47:12,557 --> 02:47:13,697
expect a fuller count.

3439
02:47:13,697 --> 02:47:14,627
David, you were there.

3440
02:47:14,627 --> 02:47:17,297
Am I misrepresenting Well, maybe you weren't in the room.

3441
02:47:17,297 --> 02:47:20,387
I don't I don't know who was behind me, but.

3442
02:47:20,387 --> 02:47:22,307
But these are your folks that have

3443
02:47:22,307 --> 02:47:25,700
who are also local uS transportation

3444
02:47:25,700 --> 02:47:27,797
folks that i would say that are revered in the state

3445
02:47:27,797 --> 02:47:28,877
by the General Assembly.

3446
02:47:28,877 --> 02:47:31,307
Folks as local politicians on the issue.

3447
02:47:31,307 --> 02:47:31,997
Right.

3448
02:47:31,997 --> 02:47:35,477
That joining with the vaiko effort,

3449
02:47:35,477 --> 02:47:38,687
joining with our own regional push,

3450
02:47:38,687 --> 02:47:41,627
I think could get some momentum going.

3451
02:47:41,627 --> 02:47:44,237
But it's not that any and nobody is saying we're just

3452
02:47:44,237 --> 02:47:45,198
asking for more money.

3453
02:47:45,198 --> 02:47:46,573
We're asking for something that's

3454
02:47:46,573 --> 02:47:50,657
sustainable and predictable and not for two years,

3455
02:47:50,657 --> 02:47:51,977
but for 30 years.

3456
02:47:51,977 --> 02:47:53,977
For 50 years.

3457
02:47:54,287 --> 02:47:58,393
So if there are no objections I did offer the letter

3458
02:47:58,393 --> 02:48:00,647
that i drafted for the governor.

3459
02:48:00,647 --> 02:48:03,467
What I would love to do is to take the letter we

3460
02:48:03,467 --> 02:48:06,981
that the board signed off on and endorsed from the pdf

3461
02:48:06,981 --> 02:48:08,537
from last year.

3462
02:48:08,537 --> 02:48:10,457
Send that along with the Governor letter

3463
02:48:10,457 --> 02:48:14,327
to the Governor at our legislative session

3464
02:48:14,327 --> 02:48:15,257
with our locals.

3465
02:48:15,257 --> 02:48:16,967
We'll bring that and go here.

3466
02:48:16,967 --> 02:48:19,577
You were copied on the T j PDQ letter.

3467
02:48:19,577 --> 02:48:21,227
Here's what we've said to the governor.

3468
02:48:21,227 --> 02:48:22,277
Here's the rationale.

3469
02:48:22,277 --> 02:48:23,807
Here's the point.

3470
02:48:23,807 --> 02:48:26,654
Then I'll be able to take all that to the Vaiko committees

3471
02:48:26,654 --> 02:48:28,487
and show them what Albemarle positions been.

3472
02:48:28,487 --> 02:48:31,127
And then I can take we could take this file.

3473
02:48:31,127 --> 02:48:33,437
And I can take it to the commission

3474
02:48:33,437 --> 02:48:36,770
and see if we can get our local region on board

3475
02:48:36,770 --> 02:48:38,207
with this kind of strategy as well.

3476
02:48:38,207 --> 02:48:40,607
This doesn't change anything.

3477
02:48:40,872 --> 02:48:43,247
I don't think with the meeting with the other three other

3478
02:48:43,247 --> 02:48:47,230
than here's what we're doing, and we'd appreciate your support

3479
02:48:47,230 --> 02:48:48,251
in this effort.

3480
02:48:48,251 --> 02:48:50,669
And I mean, otherwise we're just going

3481
02:48:50,669 --> 02:48:52,127
to get the same old talking points.

3482
02:48:52,127 --> 02:48:54,950
And that's no criticism of our local delegates

3483
02:48:54,950 --> 02:48:58,607
because it's coming from the whole group

3484
02:48:58,607 --> 02:49:00,198
And I honestly just at this point

3485
02:49:00,198 --> 02:49:02,117
don't think they know what else to say.

3486
02:49:02,117 --> 02:49:04,337
So it's that means it's time to convene and do

3487
02:49:04,337 --> 02:49:06,257
something different and not study it to death.

3488
02:49:06,257 --> 02:49:08,297
We know what the rising costs are.

3489
02:49:08,297 --> 02:49:11,237
We know why the revenues are declining

3490
02:49:11,237 --> 02:49:14,537
So this is something I think merits that kind of push.

3491
02:49:14,537 --> 02:49:16,877
And then we'll have a revised transportation

3492
02:49:16,877 --> 02:49:17,957
study that supports it.

3493
02:49:17,957 --> 02:49:20,237
So when the advocacy works actually happening,

3494
02:49:20,237 --> 02:49:22,277
it'll be there and hopefully we can

3495
02:49:22,277 --> 02:49:25,956
get a groundswell of localities that kind of keep going in this.

3496
02:49:25,956 --> 02:49:29,870
The Floyd County guy was just as interested as the Roanoke County

3497
02:49:29,870 --> 02:49:30,407
guy.

3498
02:49:30,407 --> 02:49:33,467
So you know, this has broad appeal I think,

3499
02:49:33,467 --> 02:49:37,942
and could do something to future vaiko presidents in those two

3500
02:49:37,942 --> 02:49:38,499
people.

3501
02:49:38,499 --> 02:49:39,335
So yeah.

3502
02:49:39,335 --> 02:49:41,315
Brings the whole ones next right?

3503
02:49:41,315 --> 02:49:42,294
Yeah, for sure.

3504
02:49:42,294 --> 02:49:44,447
And then he then in the other in the Floyd County

3505
02:49:44,447 --> 02:49:46,547
goes right by two years after.

3506
02:49:46,547 --> 02:49:47,147
Yeah.

3507
02:49:47,147 --> 02:49:48,470
All right.

3508
02:49:48,470 --> 02:49:50,217
So that's my bet for today.

3509
02:49:50,217 --> 02:49:52,127
And I'm not hearing any objection to that.

3510
02:49:52,127 --> 02:49:53,747
So I'm going to proceed.

3511
02:49:53,747 --> 02:49:56,507
The board actually had voted several months ago

3512
02:49:56,507 --> 02:49:59,237
to authorize the chair to sign a letter to the governor

3513
02:49:59,237 --> 02:50:00,961
about transportation funding.

3514
02:50:00,961 --> 02:50:03,294
So I don't know that I need a new action because i still

3515
02:50:03,294 --> 02:50:03,934
have that.

3516
02:50:03,934 --> 02:50:04,787
I don't know.

3517
02:50:04,787 --> 02:50:07,457
Are discussing that, that I could still whip off this letter

3518
02:50:07,457 --> 02:50:10,877
based on smoke But I just decided to bring it

3519
02:50:10,877 --> 02:50:13,277
back up for reconsideration.

3520
02:50:13,967 --> 02:50:18,137
So if there's no objection to that the to tidy this up.

3521
02:50:18,137 --> 02:50:20,447
The machinery and tools piece and supervise

3522
02:50:20,447 --> 02:50:22,415
are Pruitt said, we'd like to add

3523
02:50:22,415 --> 02:50:24,707
is there any objection to adding that i

3524
02:50:24,707 --> 02:50:28,524
don't know about its likelihood but we can add it.

3525
02:50:28,524 --> 02:50:29,143
OK.

3526
02:50:29,143 --> 02:50:30,690
I just didn't completely understand

3527
02:50:30,690 --> 02:50:32,657
what it was you wanted to do.

3528
02:50:32,657 --> 02:50:33,407
So.

3529
02:50:33,407 --> 02:50:34,849
Well, we can get into that.

3530
02:50:34,849 --> 02:50:37,605
It's a decoupling basically, that gives us a little bit

3531
02:50:37,605 --> 02:50:38,858
more nuance with it.

3532
02:50:38,858 --> 02:50:42,470
As a taxpayer So I'm hearing the consensus of the board

3533
02:50:42,470 --> 02:50:45,770
is to elevate that to a priority status in the program.

3534
02:50:45,770 --> 02:50:46,637
That's what I think the request was.

3535
02:50:46,637 --> 02:50:48,710
And I didn't hear any objection.

3536
02:50:48,710 --> 02:50:48,593
OK.

3537
02:50:48,593 --> 02:50:51,509
The other piece is the endorsement of the 5,000 family

3538
02:50:51,509 --> 02:50:52,133
program.

3539
02:50:52,133 --> 02:50:55,487
And I understand the rationale and the strategy behind it.

3540
02:50:55,487 --> 02:50:58,487
And plus, it should help people regardless of where they live

3541
02:50:58,487 --> 02:51:00,437
So I have no I have no objection to that.

3542
02:51:00,437 --> 02:51:02,267
I don't know if anybody else does.

3543
02:51:02,267 --> 02:51:04,577
And I don't know the clarifying question on that.

3544
02:51:04,577 --> 02:51:08,357
One is that expansion of the number of vouchers or extension

3545
02:51:08,357 --> 02:51:11,657
of the time of the program I would suggest both.

3546
02:51:11,657 --> 02:51:14,717
I think it's currently two years and actually decreases

3547
02:51:14,717 --> 02:51:17,537
in funding over time, which would necessarily kick people

3548
02:51:17,537 --> 02:51:22,337
off of the voucher Yeah So that also

3549
02:51:23,747 --> 02:51:26,570
would be elevates the priority part of the program

3550
02:51:26,570 --> 02:51:29,957
That sounds more like a endorsement of something that's

3551
02:51:29,957 --> 02:51:33,529
in play, if I understood correct and get it that it's like,

3552
02:51:33,529 --> 02:51:34,487
let's give that to him.

3553
02:51:34,487 --> 02:51:37,187
So it's not necessarily taking up a bill slot,

3554
02:51:37,187 --> 02:51:39,437
but as a priority point of topic of conversation

3555
02:51:39,437 --> 02:51:42,900
for the full gathering when we all get together OK.

3556
02:51:42,900 --> 02:51:48,257
That I misrepresent that i heard some common area

3557
02:51:48,257 --> 02:51:49,217
about the wording.

3558
02:51:49,217 --> 02:51:52,551
I don't think there's a downside to keeping supervisor Mallex

3559
02:51:52,551 --> 02:51:54,811
piece about the broadband in.

3560
02:51:54,811 --> 02:51:57,767
I do think that it's important to show that we understand what

3561
02:51:57,767 --> 02:52:00,164
Supervisor Pruitt explained and all of that

3562
02:52:00,164 --> 02:52:02,747
should help to say that we still have residents who don't have

3563
02:52:02,747 --> 02:52:05,164
broadband and we need to make sure we're all aware of that

3564
02:52:05,164 --> 02:52:08,270
and keep on it A short phrase in there that

3565
02:52:08,270 --> 02:52:11,117
says they have no access to emerge just these services when

3566
02:52:11,117 --> 02:52:15,197
it rains, that should get them or should get some attention

3567
02:52:15,197 --> 02:52:18,544
And now I'm looking did I miss a topic that we that we have

3568
02:52:18,544 --> 02:52:20,370
to clear up before we recess?

3569
02:52:20,370 --> 02:52:21,104
I don't think so.

3570
02:52:21,104 --> 02:52:23,930
I would like a little more clarity on the 5,000 families,

3571
02:52:23,930 --> 02:52:27,196
whether that, again, is a is a priority or whether

3572
02:52:27,196 --> 02:52:29,399
that's something that's put in the principals,

3573
02:52:29,399 --> 02:52:32,237
because I still not I hear interest in it but I'm not

3574
02:52:32,237 --> 02:52:37,637
hearing where that land and all I'll offer for discussion adding

3575
02:52:37,637 --> 02:52:40,157
it as up to the position of policy statements under

3576
02:52:40,157 --> 02:52:43,397
the housing header and making sure that it's part

3577
02:52:43,397 --> 02:52:48,137
of the legislative forum discussion As for reaction

3578
02:52:48,137 --> 02:52:52,457
housing, that would be I, I don't want to overly steer this.

3579
02:52:52,457 --> 02:52:56,247
When I had said it, I imagined it as a priority.

3580
02:52:56,247 --> 02:52:59,000
But if that belief of both the board and staff

3581
02:52:59,000 --> 02:53:00,917
is that it would make more sense as a position

3582
02:53:00,917 --> 02:53:05,897
that we talk about the forum, then that's also fine by me I,

3583
02:53:05,897 --> 02:53:08,897
I think she was saying under attachment

3584
02:53:08,897 --> 02:53:13,487
11, a legislative program, those are the priorities And on page

3585
02:53:13,487 --> 02:53:15,557
two is or that principles I see okay

3586
02:53:15,557 --> 02:53:17,807
is where the housing is so it's on the same document.

3587
02:53:17,807 --> 02:53:20,957
It's just adding a sentence there

3588
02:53:20,957 --> 02:53:23,437
would help because I didn't know anything about this.

3589
02:53:23,437 --> 02:53:25,937
And others may be equally clueless,

3590
02:53:25,937 --> 02:53:27,797
open to any direction from the board.

3591
02:53:27,797 --> 02:53:30,917
I just building off of Mr. Galloway's I mean,

3592
02:53:30,917 --> 02:53:33,120
I think funding sounds like the priority,

3593
02:53:33,120 --> 02:53:34,637
making sure it's and you would question

3594
02:53:34,637 --> 02:53:38,717
whether the funding was there if this board is amenable to it.

3595
02:53:38,717 --> 02:53:41,177
But I would like to see it as a legislative priority.

3596
02:53:41,177 --> 02:53:43,637
It gives us the ability it puts it

3597
02:53:43,637 --> 02:53:45,377
on that first page of the Palm Card

3598
02:53:45,377 --> 02:53:48,680
that they say, yeah, I have no objection to that.

3599
02:53:48,680 --> 02:53:50,657
OK, I like that And to your point,

3600
02:53:50,657 --> 02:53:52,937
it wouldn't take up bill slot for them.

3601
02:53:52,937 --> 02:53:55,397
So it's not us being too pushy on that front.

3602
02:53:55,397 --> 02:53:58,967
Yeah, great And then, yes, transportation

3603
02:53:58,967 --> 02:54:00,287
would be one of the three.

3604
02:54:00,287 --> 02:54:02,477
So we currently have four to speed as number one.

3605
02:54:02,477 --> 02:54:04,910
We have transport nation, and we have five

3606
02:54:04,910 --> 02:54:09,977
and I'm fine if you all want to not have transportation

3607
02:54:09,977 --> 02:54:12,677
because the idea is, is that we're

3608
02:54:12,677 --> 02:54:15,467
taking the focus to another group that's

3609
02:54:15,467 --> 02:54:16,547
part of the strategy.

3610
02:54:16,547 --> 02:54:19,970
It's like you three can come along but here's

3611
02:54:19,970 --> 02:54:21,137
what we're off and running and doing.

3612
02:54:21,137 --> 02:54:22,847
So I'm happy to make it a priority.

3613
02:54:22,847 --> 02:54:24,582
I certainly wouldn't object to that,

3614
02:54:24,582 --> 02:54:26,957
but I'm saying that it doesn't have to displace something

3615
02:54:26,957 --> 02:54:29,627
because we're going to be already in motion item

3616
02:54:29,627 --> 02:54:32,305
by the time we meet with the folks in the larger group,

3617
02:54:32,305 --> 02:54:34,847
we're already going to be off and running with some of those.

3618
02:54:34,847 --> 02:54:36,827
We're not waiting until this program

3619
02:54:36,827 --> 02:54:39,737
or this meeting with these three locals to do this.

3620
02:54:39,737 --> 02:54:42,767
This is something we're going to send out immediately.

3621
02:54:42,767 --> 02:54:46,877
It was my intent if that makes sense.

3622
02:54:46,877 --> 02:54:50,357
So, you know, they'll get copied I'll get to similar to the PVC

3623
02:54:50,357 --> 02:54:54,617
piece that we did last fall, but the region did.

3624
02:54:54,617 --> 02:54:55,464
And the ideas.

3625
02:54:55,464 --> 02:54:57,470
Yeah it doesn't bump something that we

3626
02:54:57,470 --> 02:55:00,170
want to be a bill slide or a major priority for.

3627
02:55:00,170 --> 02:55:01,367
I mean, it is a major priority.

3628
02:55:01,367 --> 02:55:02,267
We'll be able to say.

3629
02:55:02,267 --> 02:55:05,327
So Yeah I think we would, we would put it

3630
02:55:05,327 --> 02:55:11,567
not as a legislative priority because that is sort of seen

3631
02:55:11,567 --> 02:55:14,837
as the bill slots, but much like the card a discussion just

3632
02:55:14,837 --> 02:55:16,997
keep that as a high priority thing

3633
02:55:16,997 --> 02:55:20,957
that we're talking about and continuing to talk about.

3634
02:55:20,957 --> 02:55:22,847
So I mean, I think we can massage that.

3635
02:55:22,847 --> 02:55:24,707
I don't think it's obviously a priority.

3636
02:55:24,707 --> 02:55:28,930
It's a long game, though, and it's not we're not at this point

3637
02:55:28,930 --> 02:55:31,547
asking for a budget request.

3638
02:55:31,547 --> 02:55:35,717
I think the it'll be interesting to see what Vaiko chooses to do.

3639
02:55:35,717 --> 02:55:37,847
We might be whipping off a second letter

3640
02:55:37,847 --> 02:55:41,800
after the Vaiko what position may decide to take and request

3641
02:55:41,800 --> 02:55:43,247
But I don't want to be stealing any of their thunder

3642
02:55:43,247 --> 02:55:45,617
based on the conversation that happened in summer.

3643
02:55:45,617 --> 02:55:46,727
As if it's about morals.

3644
02:55:46,727 --> 02:55:47,807
I do.

3645
02:55:47,807 --> 02:55:50,432
I hope that you're planning to talk about it at the Region five

3646
02:55:50,432 --> 02:55:52,515
because that would be a great place to get it out.

3647
02:55:52,515 --> 02:55:53,312
That's next Friday.

3648
02:55:53,312 --> 02:55:53,812
Yeah.

3649
02:55:53,812 --> 02:55:55,970
On the 11th.

3650
02:55:55,970 --> 02:55:59,897
Yeah Or week to week from Friday, huh ?

3651
02:56:00,307 --> 02:56:00,807
OK.

3652
02:56:00,807 --> 02:56:04,970
Anything we need to clear up No, I think we've got.

3653
02:56:04,970 --> 02:56:05,350
I think we've got it.

3654
02:56:05,350 --> 02:56:06,767
And I think what we'll do is well,

3655
02:56:06,767 --> 02:56:09,917
we'll work on revising those materials.

3656
02:56:09,917 --> 02:56:14,507
We might put some sort of subject to final adoption but.

3657
02:56:14,507 --> 02:56:17,147
But in that state, those revised materials

3658
02:56:17,147 --> 02:56:19,667
with sort of subject to final adoption tagline,

3659
02:56:19,667 --> 02:56:21,707
hopefully that can get members of the board that

3660
02:56:21,707 --> 02:56:25,157
want to use that proposed final proposed

3661
02:56:25,157 --> 02:56:28,370
final drafts out to their meetings with the legislators.

3662
02:56:28,370 --> 02:56:30,407
Equip you all to have those meetings even prior

3663
02:56:30,407 --> 02:56:32,390
to the formal adoption on October 21.

3664
02:56:32,390 --> 02:56:34,242
Great folders we can deliver, same

3665
02:56:34,242 --> 02:56:37,307
as we've done in the past with the draft in there,

3666
02:56:37,307 --> 02:56:40,157
and we'll work on setting up meetings.

3667
02:56:40,157 --> 02:56:43,257
Supervisors will just have to be available to coordinate quickly

3668
02:56:43,257 --> 02:56:43,757
on this.

3669
02:56:43,757 --> 02:56:46,307
If a time opens up, we may have to be ready to move.

3670
02:56:46,307 --> 02:56:49,127
But the idea would be find the supervisor.

3671
02:56:49,127 --> 02:56:53,177
That's the most educated to speak on that particular issue,

3672
02:56:53,177 --> 02:56:54,797
or one of the three.

3673
02:56:54,797 --> 02:56:57,170
And we'll steer them into the end

3674
02:56:57,170 --> 02:56:59,897
of the meeting like the machinery and tools tax

3675
02:56:59,897 --> 02:57:01,637
that you've got to be in that meeting.

3676
02:57:01,637 --> 02:57:03,615
So there you go.

3677
02:57:03,615 --> 02:57:04,907
There's three meetings for you.

3678
02:57:04,907 --> 02:57:06,611
Yeah, Yeah, great.

3679
02:57:06,611 --> 02:57:08,361
We're just 5 and we can do three meetings.

3680
02:57:08,361 --> 02:57:08,839
That's that.

3681
02:57:08,839 --> 02:57:09,755
We'll see how this works.

3682
02:57:09,755 --> 02:57:11,690
And we can have a discussion about that.

3683
02:57:11,690 --> 02:57:11,507
We can?

3684
02:57:11,507 --> 02:57:12,674
Yeah, we can refine from there.

3685
02:57:12,674 --> 02:57:12,966
Go.

3686
02:57:12,966 --> 02:57:13,258
Great.

3687
02:57:13,258 --> 02:57:13,842
Thank you all.

3688
02:57:13,842 --> 02:57:14,279
Thank you.

3689
02:57:14,279 --> 02:57:14,717
Thank you.

3690
02:57:14,717 --> 02:57:15,217
You.

3691
02:57:15,217 --> 02:57:17,417
Thrilled for the change of effort.

3692
02:57:17,417 --> 02:57:18,407
That's really great.

3693
02:57:18,407 --> 02:57:19,970
Thank you.

3694
02:57:19,970 --> 02:57:22,607
Board We are about what, a half an hour behind.

3695
02:57:22,607 --> 02:57:23,867
So let's do a quick break.

3696
02:57:23,867 --> 02:57:26,401
If we could and come back at four and we'll pick up there.

3697
02:57:26,401 --> 02:57:28,109
If there's no objection to that game plan

3698
02:57:28,109 --> 02:57:34,709
sounds like plan A little Yeah when we were having labor.

3699
03:07:45,946 --> 03:07:48,377
All right, everyone, we are coming back from recess

3700
03:07:48,377 --> 03:07:52,670
and we will move to get my glasses

3701
03:07:52,670 --> 03:07:55,667
and we'll move to item number 12.

3702
03:07:56,117 --> 03:07:59,837
The rural, rustic and unpaved road improvement program

3703
03:07:59,837 --> 03:08:01,578
And I see up Eric at the podium.

3704
03:08:01,578 --> 03:08:05,778
Good afternoon and Yeah, make sure you

3705
03:08:06,770 --> 03:08:07,765
write in on that microphone now Eric,

3706
03:08:07,765 --> 03:08:13,165
sometimes you're a little hard to hear Thank you.

3707
03:08:13,757 --> 03:08:14,927
Where's the pointer thing?

3708
03:08:14,927 --> 03:08:15,797
Do we have that?

3709
03:08:15,797 --> 03:08:20,128
Oh, I'm the wrong person to ask about the pointer

3710
03:08:20,128 --> 03:08:24,328
after recitation Perfect answer Good afternoon, sir.

3711
03:08:31,397 --> 03:08:32,747
Galloway Board.

3712
03:08:32,747 --> 03:08:34,650
My name is Gilbert.

3713
03:08:34,650 --> 03:08:36,557
Karina and I am a transportation planner and planning

3714
03:08:36,557 --> 03:08:38,237
within community development.

3715
03:08:38,237 --> 03:08:40,647
I return to you to clarify our stake

3716
03:08:40,647 --> 03:08:43,141
in Europe processes and the secondary six year plan.

3717
03:08:43,141 --> 03:08:46,871
You are being unpaved Road improvement program, as well as

3718
03:08:46,871 --> 03:08:48,287
present recommendations for roads

3719
03:08:48,287 --> 03:08:50,417
to be included on the maintain gravel roads

3720
03:08:50,417 --> 03:08:54,170
list Be gender for this presentation

3721
03:08:54,647 --> 03:08:57,170
will focus on the following items.

3722
03:08:57,170 --> 03:08:59,600
Clarify find the role rustic and the process

3723
03:08:59,600 --> 03:09:02,327
is recommending roads not to be paved

3724
03:09:02,327 --> 03:09:04,397
to preserve the recreational value

3725
03:09:04,397 --> 03:09:07,427
and prioritizing the types of projects for the secondary Six

3726
03:09:07,427 --> 03:09:11,987
are plan, but a background for secondary A six year plan

3727
03:09:11,987 --> 03:09:14,327
is a veto document that applies to roads

3728
03:09:14,327 --> 03:09:15,857
in the secondary system.

3729
03:09:15,857 --> 03:09:17,627
Identifies that funding allocated

3730
03:09:17,627 --> 03:09:20,657
for the next fiscal year and estimates the available funding

3731
03:09:20,657 --> 03:09:23,327
for the next five fiscal years tell

3732
03:09:23,327 --> 03:09:26,207
if funding stems from utility companies paying a fee

3733
03:09:26,207 --> 03:09:28,817
to VRA to put lines in there right away.

3734
03:09:28,817 --> 03:09:31,637
These funds are being used to help fund the Birkenau drive

3735
03:09:31,637 --> 03:09:34,907
extension by Airport Road district grant.

3736
03:09:34,907 --> 03:09:38,387
Unpaid funds are used both on rural, rustic and other paving

3737
03:09:38,387 --> 03:09:39,527
projects.

3738
03:09:39,527 --> 03:09:41,717
This plan is updated and adopted by the board

3739
03:09:41,717 --> 03:09:46,517
annually each spring Some definitions for rustic roads.

3740
03:09:48,167 --> 03:09:50,147
These are requested to be paved.

3741
03:09:50,147 --> 03:09:52,397
These roads have had two thirds support.

3742
03:09:52,397 --> 03:09:56,240
They are eligible for paving and they have board supports

3743
03:09:56,240 --> 03:09:58,198
and for Europe, I'm going to be using this term

3744
03:09:58,198 --> 03:10:02,870
other presentation you review ripping is kind of a term

3745
03:10:02,870 --> 03:10:05,117
that we've come up with, so please bear with me.

3746
03:10:05,117 --> 03:10:08,447
But these have either had more than one third

3747
03:10:08,447 --> 03:10:10,667
of residents reject paving.

3748
03:10:10,667 --> 03:10:13,307
Vdot has found them ineligible for repaving

3749
03:10:13,307 --> 03:10:16,457
or they're bored projected these roads would still be improved,

3750
03:10:16,457 --> 03:10:22,697
but not paved As a reminder, staff must receive a request

3751
03:10:22,697 --> 03:10:24,647
either through resident or a board member

3752
03:10:24,647 --> 03:10:27,467
representing a constituent step checks

3753
03:10:27,467 --> 03:10:29,507
to see if the road is eligible for paving

3754
03:10:29,507 --> 03:10:32,635
against the Europe in the maintain gravel roads lists.

3755
03:10:32,635 --> 03:10:36,167
And if so staff will send the resident the signature list

3756
03:10:36,167 --> 03:10:39,317
the rural rustic tool kit and the Albemarle County unpaved

3757
03:10:39,317 --> 03:10:42,407
roads process document If the road has already

3758
03:10:42,407 --> 03:10:45,467
been predetermined to not be eligible for paving

3759
03:10:45,467 --> 03:10:49,274
it will be added to the list at the public hearing and may

3760
03:10:49,274 --> 03:10:51,857
the board inquired if there was language in the materials sent

3761
03:10:51,857 --> 03:10:55,367
to the public that describe the pros and cons of paving roads

3762
03:10:55,367 --> 03:10:58,370
On the slide is language that was included in the tool

3763
03:10:58,370 --> 03:11:02,837
kit and maybe some time to read it

3764
03:11:12,977 --> 03:11:15,407
So there are four outcomes that can come out

3765
03:11:15,407 --> 03:11:17,237
of a request for paving outcome.

3766
03:11:17,237 --> 03:11:20,726
One is that the road is paved slash repeat outcome two where

3767
03:11:20,726 --> 03:11:23,427
I can be the requested road will be moved

3768
03:11:23,427 --> 03:11:25,367
to the maintain gravel roads list

3769
03:11:25,367 --> 03:11:29,450
and will be for eligibility outcome C The requested

3770
03:11:29,450 --> 03:11:32,537
road is already on the maintain viable roads list

3771
03:11:32,537 --> 03:11:35,600
and is waiting for eligibility or outcome

3772
03:11:35,600 --> 03:11:38,507
D The request will be addressed through other means.

3773
03:11:38,507 --> 03:11:41,627
It'll be clear in the upcoming slides how request gets

3774
03:11:41,627 --> 03:11:45,227
to one of these four outcomes.

3775
03:11:45,857 --> 03:11:49,840
So the bottom of the chart shows the path of a road,

3776
03:11:49,840 --> 03:11:50,417
assuming that it meets the road.

3777
03:11:50,417 --> 03:11:53,510
Rest of requirements received two thirds signatures received.

3778
03:11:53,510 --> 03:11:56,570
If you don't, approval has been prioritized

3779
03:11:56,570 --> 03:11:58,200
and then a support approved by the board

3780
03:11:58,200 --> 03:11:59,627
should be on the secondary six or plan.

3781
03:11:59,627 --> 03:12:04,427
So the pointer to we get the request,

3782
03:12:06,527 --> 03:12:08,177
we check the basic requirements.

3783
03:12:08,177 --> 03:12:10,607
If yes, we check if it's on the road list.

3784
03:12:10,607 --> 03:12:13,967
In this case, if it's not, we send the request to toolkit.

3785
03:12:13,967 --> 03:12:16,427
If we get two thirds approval from the residents,

3786
03:12:16,427 --> 03:12:17,837
we send it to veto.

3787
03:12:17,837 --> 03:12:20,870
If it meets veto eligibility, then it's

3788
03:12:20,870 --> 03:12:22,307
moved to be on the prioritized road list.

3789
03:12:22,307 --> 03:12:25,845
As a rural rustic, we go to the April board work session.

3790
03:12:25,845 --> 03:12:27,553
And the main board work session.

3791
03:12:27,553 --> 03:12:31,157
And if yes is added to the secondary six year plan list

3792
03:12:31,157 --> 03:12:33,470
and eventually it's paved.

3793
03:12:33,470 --> 03:12:38,747
So that's how it's normally worked for the last few years.

3794
03:12:38,747 --> 03:12:41,777
These are the ways for a road to become a Europe.

3795
03:12:41,777 --> 03:12:46,397
The main decision points for a road becoming a Europe are it

3796
03:12:46,397 --> 03:12:49,520
goes through You get some basic requirements, which

3797
03:12:49,520 --> 03:12:50,614
check if it's on the list.

3798
03:12:50,614 --> 03:12:53,207
If not, we send the rural rustic toolkit.

3799
03:12:53,207 --> 03:12:56,777
If more than one third of oppose, we present the Europe

3800
03:12:56,777 --> 03:12:59,717
option saying, you know, if you don't want the road paved,

3801
03:12:59,717 --> 03:13:01,397
you still want improvements.

3802
03:13:01,397 --> 03:13:04,517
If yes, the road is then moved to the prioritized road

3803
03:13:04,517 --> 03:13:07,787
list as a Europe and then a similar process for the road

3804
03:13:07,787 --> 03:13:08,297
rustic.

3805
03:13:08,297 --> 03:13:10,700
We have the April board work session,

3806
03:13:10,700 --> 03:13:12,557
the public hearing is added to the list

3807
03:13:12,557 --> 03:13:16,157
and eventually becomes a year project.

3808
03:13:16,337 --> 03:13:19,534
Secondly the second way to get on there is vote cannot pave

3809
03:13:19,534 --> 03:13:20,190
the road.

3810
03:13:20,190 --> 03:13:23,250
So same process, it gets to here, it gets through here.

3811
03:13:23,250 --> 03:13:27,917
We get two thirds approve, but we cannot pave the road step

3812
03:13:27,917 --> 03:13:29,897
or request that vote up.

3813
03:13:29,897 --> 03:13:33,227
Essentially the project And there may be factors that still

3814
03:13:33,227 --> 03:13:37,438
prevent veto from Europeana Road But the other decision point is

3815
03:13:37,438 --> 03:13:41,267
if you veto cannot pave the road and the board will still have

3816
03:13:41,267 --> 03:13:49,670
to approve a road as a Europe road Moving on and then maintain

3817
03:13:51,227 --> 03:13:55,970
gravel roads path outcome B and C are similar and they both

3818
03:13:55,970 --> 03:13:58,247
relate to the maintain gravel roads list The main ways

3819
03:13:58,247 --> 03:14:02,117
for a road to end up on this list are the roads previously

3820
03:14:02,117 --> 03:14:02,627
Europe.

3821
03:14:02,627 --> 03:14:06,527
So we get to here if as previously you ripped

3822
03:14:06,527 --> 03:14:07,908
it is therefore ineligible.

3823
03:14:07,908 --> 03:14:09,617
We request for another six years.

3824
03:14:09,617 --> 03:14:13,307
So if you worked in 2028 and someone came in 2030

3825
03:14:13,307 --> 03:14:15,407
asking for paving improvements, it

3826
03:14:15,407 --> 03:14:18,257
wouldn't be available to be requested until 2034.

3827
03:14:18,257 --> 03:14:22,427
And it's on that list More than one third of residents

3828
03:14:22,427 --> 03:14:25,277
reject paving and do not want the road to be changed

3829
03:14:25,277 --> 03:14:26,570
or you repeat.

3830
03:14:26,570 --> 03:14:27,397
So they will want any changes.

3831
03:14:27,397 --> 03:14:29,147
They're happy with the road the way it is.

3832
03:14:29,147 --> 03:14:31,517
It would be added to the maintain of a roads list

3833
03:14:31,517 --> 03:14:34,277
and eligible for request for six years.

3834
03:14:34,277 --> 03:14:37,607
And lastly the board rejects the road project as either a rural,

3835
03:14:37,607 --> 03:14:41,270
rustic or you are a project so it can go through the road.

3836
03:14:41,270 --> 03:14:43,270
Rustic decision point.

3837
03:14:43,179 --> 03:14:45,137
And when it gets to here, if the board does not

3838
03:14:45,137 --> 03:14:47,671
approve as a rural rustic it goes straight back

3839
03:14:47,671 --> 03:14:48,921
into maintenance of our roads.

3840
03:14:48,921 --> 03:14:49,707
Same for Europe.

3841
03:14:49,707 --> 03:14:50,297
Appreciate it.

3842
03:14:50,297 --> 03:14:54,497
Can make it through the whole Europe path through here

3843
03:14:54,497 --> 03:14:57,257
and I guess the board if the board says no, it

3844
03:14:57,257 --> 03:15:00,257
moves to meeting couple rooms.

3845
03:15:01,277 --> 03:15:02,309
Here's a full flowchart.

3846
03:15:02,309 --> 03:15:04,517
I'll come back to it after I finish your presentation

3847
03:15:04,517 --> 03:15:08,717
for any questions The board expressed interest

3848
03:15:10,307 --> 03:15:13,817
in May in preserving unpaved roads for recreational usage

3849
03:15:13,817 --> 03:15:16,607
while vetoed does not have a separate recreational road

3850
03:15:16,607 --> 03:15:17,172
program.

3851
03:15:17,172 --> 03:15:20,560
The board has the power to block paving of any secondary road

3852
03:15:20,560 --> 03:15:23,507
in the county Staff has conducted research

3853
03:15:23,507 --> 03:15:26,687
on popular recreational unpaved roads in the area

3854
03:15:26,687 --> 03:15:29,357
and is presenting that list to you now.

3855
03:15:29,357 --> 03:15:32,387
The following roads have been listed by the Civil Bike Club

3856
03:15:32,387 --> 03:15:35,870
and or ragged mountain running as good roads

3857
03:15:35,870 --> 03:15:36,347
to use for recreation.

3858
03:15:36,347 --> 03:15:38,387
Dick Woods Road, Elliotts Mill Road.

3859
03:15:38,387 --> 03:15:42,167
Wesley Chapel Road Slam gate Road Jones Mill Road Midway

3860
03:15:42,167 --> 03:15:42,737
Road.

3861
03:15:42,737 --> 03:15:45,917
Townsend Creek Road and Ridge Road.

3862
03:15:45,917 --> 03:15:49,997
If the board desires they can add all some or none

3863
03:15:49,997 --> 03:15:50,693
of these roads.

3864
03:15:50,693 --> 03:15:55,247
The main thing all roads list at the april 2027 work session.

3865
03:15:55,247 --> 03:15:58,605
If they are added, they will be ineligible to be requested

3866
03:15:58,605 --> 03:16:02,805
for paving until 2033 following the public hearing

3867
03:16:02,927 --> 03:16:05,717
If a request comes after that, the board may choose

3868
03:16:05,717 --> 03:16:07,667
to keep the road on the list and prevent

3869
03:16:07,667 --> 03:16:11,927
paving or other improvements If the board like to add more

3870
03:16:11,927 --> 03:16:13,427
roads, the appropriate time for that

3871
03:16:13,427 --> 03:16:20,270
will be at the April work session Conclusions will rise to

3872
03:16:20,370 --> 03:16:22,637
and will be merged and the secondary six year

3873
03:16:22,637 --> 03:16:25,337
plan with some projects including paving

3874
03:16:25,337 --> 03:16:28,847
and some projects focusing on improvement without paving

3875
03:16:28,847 --> 03:16:32,447
over this project will be prioritized

3876
03:16:33,170 --> 03:16:36,292
by average daily traffic volumes regardless if they

3877
03:16:36,292 --> 03:16:37,697
are both a Europe or world.

3878
03:16:37,697 --> 03:16:41,870
Much rural rustic project And finally, the board

3879
03:16:41,870 --> 03:16:44,237
may choose to add any secondary road to the meeting gravel

3880
03:16:44,237 --> 03:16:46,157
list for six years at a time.

3881
03:16:46,157 --> 03:16:47,687
At the work session.

3882
03:16:47,687 --> 03:16:49,577
After that, it will become open for paving

3883
03:16:49,577 --> 03:16:54,377
requests Staff will continue to prepare for FY 2833.

3884
03:16:55,667 --> 03:16:58,607
Secondary six year plan using the format presented

3885
03:16:58,607 --> 03:17:01,727
and staff will continue to receive feedback on the process

3886
03:17:01,727 --> 03:17:03,587
and work with the grant to implement.

3887
03:17:03,587 --> 03:17:04,510
Thank you.

3888
03:17:04,510 --> 03:17:08,207
And I'm open for questions All right.

3889
03:17:08,207 --> 03:17:11,957
Supervisor Malik thank you very much for all your work

3890
03:17:11,957 --> 03:17:13,397
at Ridge Road and other places.

3891
03:17:13,397 --> 03:17:15,197
Standing in the ditch watching and worrying

3892
03:17:15,197 --> 03:17:18,977
about these things and this is a huge step

3893
03:17:18,977 --> 03:17:21,467
forward in my understanding And I

3894
03:17:21,467 --> 03:17:25,367
think you all ability to not spend your wheels quite so much

3895
03:17:25,367 --> 03:17:26,777
So that's great.

3896
03:17:26,777 --> 03:17:32,177
Congrats elations on that So I may have misunderstood

3897
03:17:34,217 --> 03:17:38,417
when you were just describing no one's

3898
03:17:41,870 --> 03:17:43,217
ever denied improvements to a gravel road.

3899
03:17:43,217 --> 03:17:44,943
So did I misunderstand you.

3900
03:17:44,943 --> 03:17:47,400
When I heard you say that for six years

3901
03:17:47,400 --> 03:17:49,787
you couldn't ask for repairs to the gravel

3902
03:17:49,787 --> 03:17:52,157
and grading and drainage and stuff like that?

3903
03:17:52,157 --> 03:17:54,227
If something's on the maintained list.

3904
03:17:54,227 --> 03:17:56,777
So if it's on the maintain gravel list,

3905
03:17:56,777 --> 03:17:59,237
it's not eligible to be requested for paving.

3906
03:17:59,237 --> 03:18:01,740
So it wouldn't be eligible to receive a request.

3907
03:18:01,740 --> 03:18:04,157
But if there's an obvious a problem or a maintenance issue

3908
03:18:04,157 --> 03:18:06,921
would be that there was still take care of the paving only I

3909
03:18:06,921 --> 03:18:09,636
just as long as that's clear that I'm clear on that

3910
03:18:09,636 --> 03:18:11,847
that you're talking about paving for the six years,

3911
03:18:11,847 --> 03:18:14,120
the six years has nothing to do with maintenance Yes.

3912
03:18:14,120 --> 03:18:15,527
Okay, great.

3913
03:18:15,527 --> 03:18:17,527
That's excellent.

3914
03:18:17,777 --> 03:18:21,977
And thank you supervisor duncan for sharing.

3915
03:18:22,500 --> 03:18:24,707
Alex, email earlier, because that several other people

3916
03:18:24,707 --> 03:18:28,547
have reached out to me and said all these roads aren't

3917
03:18:28,547 --> 03:18:29,117
on the list.

3918
03:18:29,117 --> 03:18:30,419
Who did they talk to?

3919
03:18:30,419 --> 03:18:32,350
I mean, about running out family is saying,

3920
03:18:32,350 --> 03:18:33,767
I didn't know anything about this.

3921
03:18:33,767 --> 03:18:35,477
So there's been a breakdown.

3922
03:18:35,477 --> 03:18:37,351
But anyway I was sent a long list

3923
03:18:37,351 --> 03:18:39,143
of roads, which I will give you in writing,

3924
03:18:39,143 --> 03:18:40,810
but I'm going to read them now because I

3925
03:18:40,810 --> 03:18:43,817
think they're all they're not just in the Whitehall district.

3926
03:18:43,817 --> 03:18:45,797
They're all over the place of things

3927
03:18:45,797 --> 03:18:51,297
that the trail runners use, the walkers use and the bicycle

3928
03:18:51,297 --> 03:18:51,797
people.

3929
03:18:51,797 --> 03:18:53,985
So I'm grateful for the ones you did list.

3930
03:18:53,985 --> 03:18:54,527
The dick was.

3931
03:18:54,527 --> 03:18:57,767
Velez-Mitchell wesley Chapel slam gate, Medway Pounding

3932
03:18:57,767 --> 03:18:59,567
Creek, John's Mill and Ridge.

3933
03:18:59,567 --> 03:19:03,377
However off of those are others And if you

3934
03:19:03,377 --> 03:19:07,660
looked at the running website, websites and things there,

3935
03:19:07,660 --> 03:19:09,827
all of these 18 mile loops and all these things that

3936
03:19:09,827 --> 03:19:13,670
incorporate a whole lot of these other roads

3937
03:19:13,670 --> 03:19:16,217
Castle Rock, Batesville Road, Clark road, Major One,

3938
03:19:16,217 --> 03:19:19,247
Catterton, Deca Chapel, Spring Bike mountain.

3939
03:19:19,247 --> 03:19:20,627
Ford Green Mountain Road.

3940
03:19:20,627 --> 03:19:21,917
Forsyth rise Path.

3941
03:19:21,917 --> 03:19:24,557
Hurd's Mountain, which is on the paving list.

3942
03:19:24,557 --> 03:19:28,757
Pounding Creek shepherd's Mill really important Secretary

3943
03:19:28,952 --> 03:19:31,697
stands stony Point, Sugar Ridge, Turkey

3944
03:19:31,697 --> 03:19:37,217
sag violating which is connected to slam gate White Mountain

3945
03:19:37,217 --> 03:19:40,787
and dickerson there on the unpaved part right now.

3946
03:19:40,787 --> 03:19:44,897
So i don't know what has to be done

3947
03:19:44,897 --> 03:19:47,897
to recognize all these others.

3948
03:19:48,297 --> 03:19:49,547
They have them all mapped out.

3949
03:19:49,547 --> 03:19:51,589
And I go send all the maps and everything to you.

3950
03:19:51,589 --> 03:19:55,700
I just got this this morning So I

3951
03:19:55,700 --> 03:19:58,157
think it's really important when we're looking at just like we're

3952
03:19:58,157 --> 03:19:59,777
looking at transit networks and things

3953
03:19:59,777 --> 03:20:01,997
when you're looking at recreation

3954
03:20:01,997 --> 03:20:06,197
and then preserving the access to recreation

3955
03:20:06,527 --> 03:20:09,617
for the roads such as the ones i've mentioned

3956
03:20:09,617 --> 03:20:12,617
is a really valid approach.

3957
03:20:12,797 --> 03:20:16,370
Earlier in the day, we learned about a $600,000 grant to build

3958
03:20:16,370 --> 03:20:20,417
a couple of miles of the old Mills Trail This is dozens

3959
03:20:20,417 --> 03:20:20,987
of miles.

3960
03:20:20,987 --> 03:20:24,167
These just these roads I've listed here probably 50.

3961
03:20:24,167 --> 03:20:28,187
And so the cost savings to the county budget

3962
03:20:28,187 --> 03:20:31,727
to provide recreation in places where

3963
03:20:31,727 --> 03:20:35,777
we know the individual and passive recreation is incredibly

3964
03:20:35,777 --> 03:20:37,817
important to a huge number of people

3965
03:20:37,817 --> 03:20:41,963
whom we did not recognize before Covid, that 1 million to 2

3966
03:20:41,963 --> 03:20:46,307
million users a year That job has not gone away.

3967
03:20:46,307 --> 03:20:48,467
So I think it's important that we

3968
03:20:48,467 --> 03:20:52,937
do our very best to make this as thoroughly a list as possible

3969
03:20:52,937 --> 03:20:59,177
and to consider these loops that are being used I forget

3970
03:20:59,177 --> 03:21:01,757
Eggleston saying he was on his bike ride, the 50 mile trip

3971
03:21:01,757 --> 03:21:04,845
from out early ville around Burnsville at around 810

3972
03:21:04,845 --> 03:21:06,137
and all the way back to Crozet.

3973
03:21:06,137 --> 03:21:09,417
I'm going now, brother Life taking your life in your hands.

3974
03:21:09,417 --> 03:21:10,385
The entire way.

3975
03:21:10,385 --> 03:21:14,417
But lots of people do it so that, I think,

3976
03:21:14,417 --> 03:21:17,870
is a really, really helpful thing.

3977
03:21:17,870 --> 03:21:20,893
And that's really all I have at the moment Thank you very much.

3978
03:21:20,893 --> 03:21:22,893
The superb Duncan.

3979
03:21:23,927 --> 03:21:27,317
Yes to everything, Supervisor Malik said some of those

3980
03:21:27,317 --> 03:21:29,897
were the same points that I have.

3981
03:21:29,897 --> 03:21:34,367
So to sort of add on to that, the runners and bikers

3982
03:21:34,367 --> 03:21:37,697
in the community have come up with an excellent argument

3983
03:21:37,697 --> 03:21:40,487
that I really hope they formally send to us

3984
03:21:40,487 --> 03:21:43,262
but they have a list of the top unpaved roads for recreation

3985
03:21:43,262 --> 03:21:45,137
and they have the ones that you have on here,

3986
03:21:45,137 --> 03:21:49,157
but they also have deca, Chapel, Spring, Fox Mountain, Clark,

3987
03:21:49,157 --> 03:21:52,757
Turkey, SAG Secretary Sands, Stony Point

3988
03:21:53,777 --> 03:21:56,685
So again, sort of reiterating what I said in the spring

3989
03:21:56,685 --> 03:21:58,727
that we really need to be doing our due diligence

3990
03:21:58,727 --> 03:22:01,457
and reaching out to the recreational community of what

3991
03:22:01,457 --> 03:22:01,987
roads.

3992
03:22:01,987 --> 03:22:06,261
They want to prioritize And yeah, it's so much cheaper

3993
03:22:06,261 --> 03:22:08,207
to keep our natural greenways than to have

3994
03:22:08,207 --> 03:22:10,670
to like pay hundreds of thousands of dollars

3995
03:22:10,670 --> 03:22:13,547
to create new paths for people to run on.

3996
03:22:13,547 --> 03:22:15,647
But for me in addition to all of this,

3997
03:22:15,647 --> 03:22:19,247
in addition to the great points that people have made in emails,

3998
03:22:19,247 --> 03:22:22,427
is that this actually comes back to a bigger question of what

3999
03:22:22,427 --> 03:22:24,617
we want the county to be.

4000
03:22:24,617 --> 03:22:27,167
You know, are I can I economic development plan calls

4001
03:22:27,167 --> 03:22:28,547
for increased agritourism.

4002
03:22:28,547 --> 03:22:30,857
And one of the needs that identifies to do that

4003
03:22:30,857 --> 03:22:34,307
is connecting with outdoor recreation in the current plan.

4004
03:22:34,307 --> 03:22:37,787
We obviously have a whole section on recreation open space

4005
03:22:37,787 --> 03:22:40,607
And so I was thinking about this because, you know, my kids are

4006
03:22:40,607 --> 03:22:44,570
runners and so this is something that's super important to them

4007
03:22:44,570 --> 03:22:47,147
and something we talked about And you know,

4008
03:22:47,147 --> 03:22:52,670
is the fact that we have such a large running community here.

4009
03:22:52,670 --> 03:22:55,667
Is this something that exists spontaneously

4010
03:22:56,477 --> 03:22:59,390
because we had somebody come in and build a great once

4011
03:22:59,390 --> 03:23:00,752
or 40 years ago.

4012
03:23:00,752 --> 03:23:04,397
And sort of create this culture in that it just

4013
03:23:04,397 --> 03:23:06,707
has to survive on its own merits through volunteers,

4014
03:23:06,707 --> 03:23:08,987
through people who decide to run, or is it

4015
03:23:08,987 --> 03:23:11,657
something that the county wants to encourage and cultivate

4016
03:23:11,657 --> 03:23:15,857
and support, you know, continuously talk about how much

4017
03:23:15,857 --> 03:23:18,677
rural land among ours and how much we want people to preserve

4018
03:23:18,677 --> 03:23:21,497
it and keep it and be this beautiful, great outdoors,

4019
03:23:21,497 --> 03:23:23,267
then we should also ensure that people

4020
03:23:23,267 --> 03:23:26,387
can use it in having access to rural roads.

4021
03:23:26,387 --> 03:23:28,757
For recreation is one of the benefits of having

4022
03:23:28,757 --> 03:23:33,975
a rural county If it's our policies and sort

4023
03:23:33,975 --> 03:23:39,527
of the boards for that prerogative to set roads aside,

4024
03:23:39,527 --> 03:23:41,239
then, you know, I think we really

4025
03:23:41,239 --> 03:23:43,697
need to be communicating with the recreational communities,

4026
03:23:43,697 --> 03:23:46,847
listening to them when they are doing this advocacy.

4027
03:23:46,847 --> 03:23:48,497
There's also, you know, health equity

4028
03:23:48,497 --> 03:23:51,470
for being able to run outside, run,

4029
03:23:51,470 --> 03:23:53,957
you know, for free everywhere in the county.

4030
03:23:53,957 --> 03:23:56,956
People should have access to this.

4031
03:23:56,956 --> 03:24:00,414
These are public goods These are not just about the neighbors

4032
03:24:00,414 --> 03:24:01,247
that live on a road.

4033
03:24:01,247 --> 03:24:06,397
These are, you know, community goods that benefit all of us

4034
03:24:06,397 --> 03:24:08,147
And then just one last point that somebody

4035
03:24:08,147 --> 03:24:10,534
made in one of the emails.

4036
03:24:10,534 --> 03:24:15,887
We got that I thought was a really good request is

4037
03:24:15,887 --> 03:24:19,637
that instead of a real road network analysis based

4038
03:24:19,637 --> 03:24:21,467
on, you know, all the recreation or stuff

4039
03:24:21,467 --> 03:24:24,407
that people are doing as part of the upcoming mobility

4040
03:24:24,407 --> 03:24:27,677
and rural area plans, I think that would be kind of a good way

4041
03:24:27,677 --> 03:24:29,897
to sort of comprehensively look at all of this

4042
03:24:29,897 --> 03:24:35,577
and not just wait until work sessions in April Thank you.

4043
03:24:35,577 --> 03:24:36,770
Thank you.

4044
03:24:36,770 --> 03:24:38,477
Supervisor Pruitt Thank you.

4045
03:24:39,461 --> 03:24:44,507
So I. Great presentation Very I found the flowchart.

4046
03:24:44,507 --> 03:24:45,257
Very good.

4047
03:24:45,257 --> 03:24:46,127
Very well made.

4048
03:24:46,127 --> 03:24:46,997
I appreciate it.

4049
03:24:46,997 --> 03:24:47,627
The key.

4050
03:24:47,627 --> 03:24:49,997
Sometimes we'll make a flowchart and then they

4051
03:24:49,997 --> 03:24:53,507
assume that you'll remember what a maintained gravel road means

4052
03:24:53,507 --> 03:24:54,467
But that's not.

4053
03:24:54,467 --> 03:24:55,997
It's not all there in the name.

4054
03:24:55,997 --> 03:24:57,470
You have to have the key.

4055
03:24:57,470 --> 03:24:57,547
So.

4056
03:24:57,547 --> 03:24:58,517
Very, very good job.

4057
03:24:58,517 --> 03:24:59,987
Thank you.

4058
03:24:59,987 --> 03:25:05,387
I would echo my peers point on potentially wanting

4059
03:25:07,527 --> 03:25:09,527
to do additional public engagement for how we're

4060
03:25:09,527 --> 03:25:13,187
building the list that we're going to review in April

4061
03:25:13,187 --> 03:25:16,370
I am immediately thinking the Charlottesville area trail

4062
03:25:16,370 --> 03:25:17,267
runners cats.

4063
03:25:17,267 --> 03:25:19,457
I'm not sure if they were county acted.

4064
03:25:19,457 --> 03:25:21,861
And you know, it's weird to give a family.

4065
03:25:21,861 --> 03:25:24,527
So much power but like directly communicating

4066
03:25:24,527 --> 03:25:26,237
with the lawns owners who are kind

4067
03:25:26,237 --> 03:25:29,877
of the weird natural hub of running culture

4068
03:25:29,877 --> 03:25:31,835
in Charlottesville and Albemarle would probably

4069
03:25:31,835 --> 03:25:33,653
be relevant because they could they

4070
03:25:33,653 --> 03:25:36,770
could do a lot of the community engaged

4071
03:25:36,770 --> 03:25:39,770
and on the county's behalf.

4072
03:25:39,137 --> 03:25:42,677
And so i just might recommend those two things.

4073
03:25:42,677 --> 03:25:47,957
The thing I do want to say, though, because I i'm a runner.

4074
03:25:47,957 --> 03:25:50,570
I love these trails that we're all talking

4075
03:25:50,570 --> 03:25:53,537
about I want us to be cautious.

4076
03:25:53,537 --> 03:25:55,607
And this is more an outbreak not for you.

4077
03:25:55,607 --> 03:25:59,177
This is more for the board right To remember

4078
03:25:59,177 --> 03:26:01,967
that what we're talking about with potentially adding them

4079
03:26:01,967 --> 03:26:05,567
on in April of next year is subordinating

4080
03:26:05,567 --> 03:26:08,927
the political process that we've already created.

4081
03:26:08,927 --> 03:26:12,827
It is extracting that from residential or control

4082
03:26:12,827 --> 03:26:16,727
through the current to thirds majority request process

4083
03:26:16,727 --> 03:26:17,747
that we've created.

4084
03:26:17,747 --> 03:26:20,537
And sometimes that is prudent.

4085
03:26:20,537 --> 03:26:24,257
Dick Woods Road east of Ortman, is a great example.

4086
03:26:24,257 --> 03:26:26,335
Those residents a lot of them want

4087
03:26:26,335 --> 03:26:28,877
it paved because they've built very beautiful homes that they

4088
03:26:28,877 --> 03:26:31,817
want to not have to drive five miles to get to,

4089
03:26:31,817 --> 03:26:36,770
but it is a tremendously essential community amenity.

4090
03:26:36,770 --> 03:26:39,647
I am fine with taking that out of their hands,

4091
03:26:39,647 --> 03:26:41,567
and I reckon with the fact that that

4092
03:26:41,567 --> 03:26:45,167
means I'm subordinating their political power

4093
03:26:45,587 --> 03:26:49,792
And on the other hand, I will remind this board the people who

4094
03:26:49,792 --> 03:26:51,849
voted on it last year, right?

4095
03:26:51,849 --> 03:26:55,547
Like I, I sat with a constituent for half an hour

4096
03:26:55,547 --> 03:26:57,470
and listened to him talk about how

4097
03:26:57,470 --> 03:27:00,797
he had been trying to get Glendalough Road paved for 50

4098
03:27:00,797 --> 03:27:03,917
years and how multiple residents on Glendora Road

4099
03:27:03,917 --> 03:27:06,587
felt like they were were second class

4100
03:27:06,587 --> 03:27:11,207
citizens because they're a rural and their road wasn't paved.

4101
03:27:11,207 --> 03:27:16,487
Glendora Road was also so an important trail running amenity

4102
03:27:16,487 --> 03:27:21,587
Glendora Road and the King drop off at christ Church

4103
03:27:21,587 --> 03:27:23,747
have long been one of the highest priorities.

4104
03:27:23,747 --> 03:27:26,681
Trail runs in this county like that

4105
03:27:26,681 --> 03:27:28,697
is a thing people still do it.

4106
03:27:28,697 --> 03:27:32,554
But I don't know if people are running on Glendora Road as much

4107
03:27:32,554 --> 03:27:37,157
So there is a balancing of of considerations that I would just

4108
03:27:37,157 --> 03:27:40,157
really encourage this board to take serious and think about

4109
03:27:40,157 --> 03:27:43,187
as we're moving toward April and as we're

4110
03:27:43,187 --> 03:27:46,457
getting excited about what we're adding to this list.

4111
03:27:46,457 --> 03:27:49,397
Remember that we're taking it out of resident hands sometimes

4112
03:27:49,397 --> 03:27:53,429
that does have real considerations for their lives.

4113
03:27:53,429 --> 03:27:57,117
Oh I also always try and talk about like the importance of I

4114
03:27:57,117 --> 03:27:57,617
agree.

4115
03:27:57,617 --> 03:28:00,104
We should if we're going to talk about the rural area

4116
03:28:00,104 --> 03:28:01,937
as a public amenity, we should talk about it

4117
03:28:01,937 --> 03:28:03,647
as a public amenity.

4118
03:28:03,647 --> 03:28:09,617
I would encourage before April of next year, we try and walk

4119
03:28:09,617 --> 03:28:13,000
or run every one of these roads because I would suggest

4120
03:28:13,000 --> 03:28:14,417
that some of them you might not be

4121
03:28:14,417 --> 03:28:18,647
able to do because you literally can't park somewhere fourth,

4122
03:28:18,647 --> 03:28:20,357
depending on which one they are.

4123
03:28:20,357 --> 03:28:23,327
And so like to take the charge seriously

4124
03:28:23,327 --> 03:28:25,877
as we're thinking about this like consider

4125
03:28:25,877 --> 03:28:29,370
what we are doing before we add something to a list,

4126
03:28:29,370 --> 03:28:31,370
because it's exciting and because we all

4127
03:28:31,370 --> 03:28:32,447
care about running.

4128
03:28:32,447 --> 03:28:35,237
I love running and constantly in search

4129
03:28:35,237 --> 03:28:40,637
of a better running for my circuits and it

4130
03:28:41,512 --> 03:28:42,887
it is something that we just have

4131
03:28:42,887 --> 03:28:45,647
to take our stewardship really seriously on this.

4132
03:28:45,647 --> 03:28:48,527
That's all I have Supervisor Missal, Thank you.

4133
03:28:48,527 --> 03:28:51,470
And I first considered being on this board.

4134
03:28:51,470 --> 03:28:52,757
I was speaking to the previous, I

4135
03:28:52,757 --> 03:28:54,373
think it was the previous supervisor in this position.

4136
03:28:54,373 --> 03:28:56,810
And he said one of the main things you're

4137
03:28:56,810 --> 03:28:58,640
going to be hearing about is to pay for

4138
03:28:58,640 --> 03:29:01,697
or not to pay that will be one of the main issues

4139
03:29:01,697 --> 03:29:03,450
that you address.

4140
03:29:03,450 --> 03:29:05,877
So I kind of tried to come up to,

4141
03:29:05,877 --> 03:29:07,877
you know, my learning curve to try to understand

4142
03:29:07,877 --> 03:29:08,835
what that really meant.

4143
03:29:08,835 --> 03:29:13,350
And I've spoken to supervisor Prude's comments,

4144
03:29:13,547 --> 03:29:15,570
various sides of the issue.

4145
03:29:15,570 --> 03:29:15,557
Right?

4146
03:29:15,557 --> 03:29:17,307
There are people who live on a road that's

4147
03:29:17,307 --> 03:29:20,327
a recreational road that are passionate about keeping

4148
03:29:20,327 --> 03:29:22,127
it gravel and not paving it.

4149
03:29:22,127 --> 03:29:24,368
There are others who are passionate about paving

4150
03:29:24,368 --> 03:29:26,717
and want to keep that, you know, have that.

4151
03:29:26,717 --> 03:29:30,737
So I'm a little uncomfortable with taking that away from I

4152
03:29:30,737 --> 03:29:34,385
think you said the citizens decision making process.

4153
03:29:34,385 --> 03:29:35,927
I think it's worth thinking about it.

4154
03:29:35,927 --> 03:29:36,977
I'm not against it.

4155
03:29:36,977 --> 03:29:40,240
I mean, all the good reasons that all the other peers have

4156
03:29:40,240 --> 03:29:42,249
mentioned, I think is right on.

4157
03:29:42,249 --> 03:29:46,487
But you know, we're talking about people who potentially

4158
03:29:46,487 --> 03:29:49,517
have runners like supervisor prude or others

4159
03:29:49,517 --> 03:29:52,753
who come from another location to run on a road

4160
03:29:52,753 --> 03:29:54,574
that they live on.

4161
03:29:54,574 --> 03:29:57,797
And you're essentially saying that that road that you live on

4162
03:29:57,797 --> 03:29:59,477
will remain gravel for six years.

4163
03:29:59,477 --> 03:30:02,684
Right before it becomes eligible to be paved.

4164
03:30:02,684 --> 03:30:05,267
There could be a lot of things that occur within that six year

4165
03:30:05,267 --> 03:30:06,677
period that might change.

4166
03:30:06,677 --> 03:30:09,640
It need to be paved or not paved I don't know.

4167
03:30:09,640 --> 03:30:11,570
But we're essentially saying we're

4168
03:30:11,570 --> 03:30:12,267
taking that out of the mix.

4169
03:30:12,267 --> 03:30:12,767
Right?

4170
03:30:12,767 --> 03:30:16,754
That's we're being sort of we're saying this is it now there may

4171
03:30:16,754 --> 03:30:18,346
be some that it's an easy one.

4172
03:30:18,346 --> 03:30:19,485
But I just have heart.

4173
03:30:19,485 --> 03:30:21,527
I'm having a hard time getting my head around how

4174
03:30:21,527 --> 03:30:23,807
we do this in a way that's objective

4175
03:30:23,807 --> 03:30:27,167
And also consider it in consideration of those

4176
03:30:27,167 --> 03:30:30,167
that live on the roads.

4177
03:30:30,254 --> 03:30:32,870
I'm not going to get into the list of roads.

4178
03:30:32,870 --> 03:30:33,347
There were a couple that were mentioned,

4179
03:30:33,347 --> 03:30:35,555
a couple that weren't mentioned that i think probably

4180
03:30:35,555 --> 03:30:37,945
should be added that I've heard of people saying.

4181
03:30:37,945 --> 03:30:38,982
I also agree.

4182
03:30:38,982 --> 03:30:41,687
And just echo the comments You know, I made a note of I

4183
03:30:41,687 --> 03:30:45,326
think you received this list from the Charles

4184
03:30:45,326 --> 03:30:46,337
for biking Association.

4185
03:30:46,337 --> 03:30:46,997
Was it or.

4186
03:30:46,997 --> 03:30:50,687
Yes I actually went to the civil, both the website

4187
03:30:50,687 --> 03:30:53,250
and the websites, and I went through their list

4188
03:30:53,250 --> 03:30:55,670
for recommending gravel biking and running routes

4189
03:30:55,670 --> 03:30:56,747
And this is how I came up with the list.

4190
03:30:56,747 --> 03:30:58,727
So it's going to be a challenge, I think,

4191
03:30:58,727 --> 03:31:03,770
to try to figure out how we are objectively

4192
03:31:03,770 --> 03:31:06,770
comprehensive in asking and weighing

4193
03:31:06,437 --> 03:31:09,447
both the folks who live there.

4194
03:31:09,447 --> 03:31:14,537
And those that want these for recreational purposes asking

4195
03:31:14,537 --> 03:31:17,570
enough of each side to understand really

4196
03:31:17,570 --> 03:31:18,646
what that balances are.

4197
03:31:18,646 --> 03:31:22,625
So I'll just say that I know this is a work in progress.

4198
03:31:22,625 --> 03:31:24,617
I'm fully behind this idea.

4199
03:31:24,617 --> 03:31:27,670
I think it's great that we're finally, talking about it.

4200
03:31:27,670 --> 03:31:29,570
I just find it to be a bit of a challenge

4201
03:31:29,570 --> 03:31:34,670
as we try to measure the input from our constituents,

4202
03:31:34,670 --> 03:31:35,777
supervisors Office Development.

4203
03:31:35,777 --> 03:31:38,177
Thank you for your presentation.

4204
03:31:38,177 --> 03:31:39,841
I was improvising.

4205
03:31:39,841 --> 03:31:45,617
Missal I'm concerned about this in that I want the residents

4206
03:31:45,617 --> 03:31:47,897
to have their views heard.

4207
03:31:47,897 --> 03:31:50,642
We seem to have they have worked out.

4208
03:31:50,642 --> 03:31:54,240
And I think it was passed and what 4 or 5 years ago where

4209
03:31:54,240 --> 03:31:56,357
you have to have two thirds of the people who live along

4210
03:31:56,357 --> 03:31:57,827
there have to approve it.

4211
03:31:57,827 --> 03:32:00,107
I've experienced that in my own district

4212
03:32:00,107 --> 03:32:03,707
where some didn't get approved and others got approved.

4213
03:32:03,707 --> 03:32:06,497
And that has seemed to work out well.

4214
03:32:06,497 --> 03:32:10,757
It took the onus off of us and it made the neighbors talk

4215
03:32:10,757 --> 03:32:13,907
to each other and they agreed.

4216
03:32:13,907 --> 03:32:16,877
I understood about the running, about the biking

4217
03:32:16,877 --> 03:32:19,370
You have people, though, are they

4218
03:32:19,370 --> 03:32:24,167
going to concentrate and areas where or it's not paved?

4219
03:32:24,167 --> 03:32:27,767
I don't know where they don't live.

4220
03:32:27,767 --> 03:32:31,757
You know, they're using it as a track to get around.

4221
03:32:31,757 --> 03:32:36,557
I don't know I think we need to consider the impacts I'm not

4222
03:32:36,557 --> 03:32:39,857
saying I'm against everything, but I

4223
03:32:39,857 --> 03:32:44,657
know Supervisor Mallett mentioned a couple of roads

4224
03:32:45,227 --> 03:32:46,907
that really piqued my interest.

4225
03:32:46,907 --> 03:32:49,667
I know she mentioned Deca and my understand

4226
03:32:49,667 --> 03:32:52,877
is that we disapprove that because you didn't have

4227
03:32:52,877 --> 03:32:55,727
two thirds of the people wanting that paved,

4228
03:32:55,727 --> 03:32:58,367
so that was disapproved and that won't come up again

4229
03:32:58,367 --> 03:32:59,807
for, I guess, six years.

4230
03:32:59,807 --> 03:33:02,267
Is that correct It was ineligible.

4231
03:33:02,267 --> 03:33:04,865
Decided by Veeder, which is why is vdot

4232
03:33:04,865 --> 03:33:06,685
said they're not going to pay that.

4233
03:33:06,685 --> 03:33:07,551
It doesn't qualify.

4234
03:33:07,551 --> 03:33:08,510
OK.

4235
03:33:08,510 --> 03:33:09,197
So not about the neighbors.

4236
03:33:09,197 --> 03:33:11,177
It was just they we can't do it.

4237
03:33:11,177 --> 03:33:13,247
So I know it needs to be on the maintained list

4238
03:33:13,247 --> 03:33:14,670
and off the table.

4239
03:33:14,670 --> 03:33:14,567
Right.

4240
03:33:14,567 --> 03:33:18,470
And I do know that the neighbors were weighing in on that one.

4241
03:33:18,470 --> 03:33:21,137
You also mentioned stony Point and turkeys sag.

4242
03:33:21,137 --> 03:33:25,577
You're talking about the portion in between 20 and 231

4243
03:33:25,577 --> 03:33:29,267
where it goes over that southwest mountains.

4244
03:33:29,267 --> 03:33:32,714
This is a list four provided by the shelter area trail runners.

4245
03:33:32,714 --> 03:33:33,291
OK.

4246
03:33:33,291 --> 03:33:36,197
I would definitely i like to see that because I

4247
03:33:36,197 --> 03:33:40,670
don't know of any other unpaved area for Stony point.

4248
03:33:40,670 --> 03:33:41,357
If it's Stony point pass.

4249
03:33:41,357 --> 03:33:42,947
And also Turkey sag.

4250
03:33:42,947 --> 03:33:46,997
So what I was thinking of, you have all these roads and even

4251
03:33:46,997 --> 03:33:48,467
the roads that were added.

4252
03:33:48,467 --> 03:33:50,267
I'd like to see them on a map.

4253
03:33:50,267 --> 03:33:53,294
I'd like to see where they are and what section,

4254
03:33:53,294 --> 03:33:57,227
we're talking about, because the actual Stony Point road that's

4255
03:33:57,227 --> 03:33:59,297
all paved We're not in Turkey.

4256
03:33:59,297 --> 03:34:04,697
SAG is, is mostly paved also, except for going

4257
03:34:05,147 --> 03:34:05,987
over the mountains.

4258
03:34:05,987 --> 03:34:06,918
And same thing.

4259
03:34:06,918 --> 03:34:08,881
It's not it's Stony Point pass.

4260
03:34:08,881 --> 03:34:11,477
It goes over the amounts that will probably never

4261
03:34:11,477 --> 03:34:14,527
be paved because it's too narrow, it's Winge.

4262
03:34:14,527 --> 03:34:18,167
It doesn't meet the standards and anyway,

4263
03:34:18,167 --> 03:34:21,287
so that that got me thinking that I think

4264
03:34:21,287 --> 03:34:24,797
I'd like to see where these roads or section of roads

4265
03:34:24,797 --> 03:34:26,297
are we talking about the whole road.

4266
03:34:26,297 --> 03:34:27,527
A section of the road.

4267
03:34:27,527 --> 03:34:29,717
But I'd like to see where they are in a math,

4268
03:34:29,717 --> 03:34:32,960
I believe there was a map included in the materials

4269
03:34:32,960 --> 03:34:33,554
packet for you as well.

4270
03:34:33,554 --> 03:34:35,655
But I'm happy to make another map if you

4271
03:34:35,655 --> 03:34:36,816
need more details as well.

4272
03:34:36,816 --> 03:34:37,316
OK.

4273
03:34:37,316 --> 03:34:41,605
I am sorry that I missed that because you had a map.

4274
03:34:41,605 --> 03:34:43,813
But not the extra ones that I listed on.

4275
03:34:43,813 --> 03:34:44,313
Yes.

4276
03:34:44,313 --> 03:34:45,149
And that to you.

4277
03:34:45,149 --> 03:34:48,526
It was just the map with the road Oh, yeah, Yeah.

4278
03:34:48,526 --> 03:34:49,939
No, those are.

4279
03:34:49,939 --> 03:34:54,340
No, I'm talking about with any other ones that are suggested

4280
03:34:54,340 --> 03:34:56,115
Those they might be good.

4281
03:34:56,115 --> 03:34:58,197
They may not be good.

4282
03:34:58,197 --> 03:35:01,517
But it's something that is worth in my opinion,

4283
03:35:01,517 --> 03:35:06,317
continuing to discuss and getting a little more detail

4284
03:35:06,317 --> 03:35:11,124
of you know, I where the roads are located

4285
03:35:11,124 --> 03:35:12,707
because I think those are the only two

4286
03:35:12,707 --> 03:35:15,677
Stony point and Turkey side that are in my district.

4287
03:35:15,677 --> 03:35:21,470
I think all the others are in I don't know which district

4288
03:35:21,470 --> 03:35:23,877
some of my garden, some in my, some in yours.

4289
03:35:23,877 --> 03:35:24,377
Excellent.

4290
03:35:24,377 --> 03:35:25,307
Thank you.

4291
03:35:25,307 --> 03:35:29,837
I done i would just echo the point that Supervisor Prewitt

4292
03:35:29,837 --> 03:35:32,837
raised and supervisor missile when

4293
03:35:33,137 --> 03:35:34,951
we're kind of discussing it.

4294
03:35:34,951 --> 03:35:37,913
And the idea of keeping it in its current state, that

4295
03:35:37,913 --> 03:35:39,640
appeals to could appeal to the residents

4296
03:35:39,640 --> 03:35:41,420
and could appeal to this other group

4297
03:35:41,420 --> 03:35:43,337
But as soon as you give yourself the authority

4298
03:35:43,337 --> 03:35:47,717
to do that, you can do the reverse to which then takes,

4299
03:35:47,717 --> 03:35:51,167
oh well, we're going to go ahead and decide for paving regardless

4300
03:35:51,167 --> 03:35:53,270
of what the residents think.

4301
03:35:53,270 --> 03:35:55,547
If we deem that decision So if we take the decision out

4302
03:35:55,547 --> 03:35:59,207
of the residential piece, out of it, for one,

4303
03:35:59,207 --> 03:36:02,157
you got to do it for all or else you're

4304
03:36:02,157 --> 03:36:04,947
kind of Yeah yeah, kind of rigging it,

4305
03:36:04,947 --> 03:36:06,242
if you know what I mean.

4306
03:36:06,242 --> 03:36:09,197
I couldn't imagine you know, like when

4307
03:36:09,197 --> 03:36:10,967
the residents and the other groups

4308
03:36:10,967 --> 03:36:14,890
agree That seems to be a nice situation.

4309
03:36:14,890 --> 03:36:18,407
If we all want that road ourselves to remain gravel.

4310
03:36:18,407 --> 03:36:21,104
But if we get into a situation where the residents want it.

4311
03:36:21,104 --> 03:36:23,837
And this other group who doesn't live there

4312
03:36:23,837 --> 03:36:27,137
does what you know, vice versa, that's a problem

4313
03:36:27,137 --> 03:36:29,717
And then we have to get into a conversation about,

4314
03:36:29,717 --> 03:36:31,547
well, which is more important.

4315
03:36:31,547 --> 03:36:33,617
Your daily travel to and from your home

4316
03:36:33,617 --> 03:36:37,970
on a public road or the recreation for this other group.

4317
03:36:37,970 --> 03:36:41,537
And I'm not if the Rio district residents ask me that question,

4318
03:36:41,537 --> 03:36:43,217
I know how I'd answer that.

4319
03:36:43,217 --> 03:36:46,427
Bleak House road residents if they came out here and said

4320
03:36:46,427 --> 03:36:49,607
You're going to take our ability of living along this road

4321
03:36:49,607 --> 03:36:52,370
and allow this other input to weigh into it

4322
03:36:52,370 --> 03:36:53,957
I know what commentary I'd be getting

4323
03:36:53,957 --> 03:36:55,872
at that podium from Bleak House Road

4324
03:36:55,872 --> 03:36:57,497
except said they'd be on the same side.

4325
03:36:57,497 --> 03:36:58,577
So that would be fair.

4326
03:36:58,577 --> 03:37:01,247
But okay Yeah, you say so.

4327
03:37:01,247 --> 03:37:04,255
Like that's the only time that scenario is going to come up.

4328
03:37:04,255 --> 03:37:06,470
But you know, the first one out of the gate

4329
03:37:06,470 --> 03:37:08,537
won't be that scenario right?

4330
03:37:08,537 --> 03:37:10,907
We've seen it happen in other places.

4331
03:37:10,907 --> 03:37:14,503
So at some point the board, if we go.

4332
03:37:14,503 --> 03:37:18,677
This road and I'm not, you know look, I'm not going to I'm

4333
03:37:18,677 --> 03:37:21,200
not trying to say that at your points, are there?

4334
03:37:21,200 --> 03:37:22,127
I disagree with the points.

4335
03:37:22,127 --> 03:37:23,837
I'm not even offer counterpoint.

4336
03:37:23,837 --> 03:37:25,277
It's the awareness.

4337
03:37:25,277 --> 03:37:27,407
Look, I don't run unless something's chasing me.

4338
03:37:27,407 --> 03:37:29,849
I go out of my way to make sure I'm not

4339
03:37:29,849 --> 03:37:31,325
running most of the time.

4340
03:37:31,325 --> 03:37:32,507
So I used to run.

4341
03:37:32,507 --> 03:37:34,970
I just can't do it anymore.

4342
03:37:34,970 --> 03:37:35,147
Right?

4343
03:37:35,147 --> 03:37:36,827
And I didn't like it then.

4344
03:37:36,827 --> 03:37:39,197
But the idea is that, okay, I get it.

4345
03:37:39,197 --> 03:37:40,670
I understand.

4346
03:37:40,670 --> 03:37:43,140
And I think it's great at these roads when the residents agree.

4347
03:37:43,140 --> 03:37:44,404
And that group agrees.

4348
03:37:44,404 --> 03:37:48,557
Phenomenal But it's life is just not that clean.

4349
03:37:48,557 --> 03:37:51,107
And if at some point it's in front of this board

4350
03:37:51,107 --> 03:37:54,647
and we have to start nuancing a policy where

4351
03:37:54,647 --> 03:37:57,407
we say more than a third of the residents

4352
03:37:57,407 --> 03:38:02,207
x plus whatever percentage of this group equals

4353
03:38:02,237 --> 03:38:05,807
do or don't that's too squishy for me.

4354
03:38:05,807 --> 03:38:08,207
And I'm going to have to choose residence

4355
03:38:08,207 --> 03:38:12,437
on the road advocacy group for whatever the advocacy is.

4356
03:38:12,437 --> 03:38:15,317
I know where I'm going to end up on that conversation

4357
03:38:15,317 --> 03:38:17,565
So I'm saying that today because I want,

4358
03:38:17,565 --> 03:38:19,607
you know, we have a chance to have people give us

4359
03:38:19,607 --> 03:38:22,370
feedback on this discussion And I

4360
03:38:22,370 --> 03:38:25,157
think that's a good one to hear some feedback on I know where

4361
03:38:25,157 --> 03:38:27,887
the advocacy group is but, you know,

4362
03:38:27,887 --> 03:38:30,797
the bleak House road members aren't listening

4363
03:38:30,797 --> 03:38:33,557
on this conversation today The residents who

4364
03:38:33,557 --> 03:38:35,870
are out there who may be one, a road

4365
03:38:35,870 --> 03:38:39,887
paved aren't here listening necessarily to this today.

4366
03:38:39,947 --> 03:38:41,680
Maybe they are.

4367
03:38:41,680 --> 03:38:43,847
And it's going to introduce their opinions about how

4368
03:38:43,847 --> 03:38:45,347
they feel their public road is being

4369
03:38:45,347 --> 03:38:46,797
used for recreational purposes.

4370
03:38:46,797 --> 03:38:47,297
Right.

4371
03:38:47,297 --> 03:38:49,487
And those opinions haven't been discussed yet.

4372
03:38:49,487 --> 03:38:52,937
So, again, all of it to just endorse

4373
03:38:52,937 --> 03:38:56,398
the idea that we need to be cautious and careful in this.

4374
03:38:56,398 --> 03:38:59,760
And sometimes be careful what you wish for.

4375
03:38:59,760 --> 03:39:03,414
Yeah Are there any other comments or questions?

4376
03:39:03,414 --> 03:39:04,337
This is presentation.

4377
03:39:04,337 --> 03:39:05,270
No action today.

4378
03:39:05,270 --> 03:39:06,437
Can I take one more comment?

4379
03:39:06,437 --> 03:39:11,307
Yeah, I've just when people come to a gravel road,

4380
03:39:11,307 --> 03:39:13,917
they're buying a house and a gravel road.

4381
03:39:13,917 --> 03:39:14,417
Yeah.

4382
03:39:14,417 --> 03:39:17,489
So I guess that's just sort of my last thought.

4383
03:39:17,489 --> 03:39:18,169
But points.

4384
03:39:18,169 --> 03:39:18,804
Well taken.

4385
03:39:18,804 --> 03:39:19,304
Yeah.

4386
03:39:19,304 --> 03:39:20,846
And some of them would say I've lived

4387
03:39:20,846 --> 03:39:23,207
on this gravel road for 30 years wanting it to be paved

4388
03:39:23,207 --> 03:39:24,107
and it's never been.

4389
03:39:24,107 --> 03:39:27,711
I'm sick of the dust Yeah, I had one person literally

4390
03:39:27,711 --> 03:39:30,223
were talking about paving or not being the road.

4391
03:39:30,223 --> 03:39:32,665
And I had somebody in the same household

4392
03:39:32,665 --> 03:39:35,807
show up in support of paving and somebody

4393
03:39:35,807 --> 03:39:38,351
in that same household emailed me saying, I'm told,

4394
03:39:38,351 --> 03:39:39,239
don't do that.

4395
03:39:39,239 --> 03:39:39,739
Yeah.

4396
03:39:39,739 --> 03:39:43,907
If i will chair just add one more thought, which is I

4397
03:39:43,907 --> 03:39:46,727
think we're all I think there's a lot of interest

4398
03:39:46,727 --> 03:39:48,557
from the public in engaging on this.

4399
03:39:48,557 --> 03:39:51,497
And like even me, as I'm expressing like hesitancy

4400
03:39:51,497 --> 03:39:54,887
about this issue, I'm like excited about it

4401
03:39:54,887 --> 03:40:01,106
because because this is a really huge part of comprehensive plan.

4402
03:40:01,106 --> 03:40:02,898
How do we define cultural amenities, right?

4403
03:40:02,898 --> 03:40:05,387
This is a huge part of our cultural amenities as a county.

4404
03:40:05,387 --> 03:40:09,791
It's a really big like identity component of this county.

4405
03:40:09,791 --> 03:40:14,867
And it doesn't feel like there is much government energy

4406
03:40:14,867 --> 03:40:17,147
or effort around it.

4407
03:40:17,147 --> 03:40:21,257
And I think that is maybe the the void

4408
03:40:21,257 --> 03:40:24,157
that that these that these people are shouting into

4409
03:40:24,157 --> 03:40:27,140
because, you know, we haven't said, we're

4410
03:40:27,140 --> 03:40:28,817
going to pay adequate roads.

4411
03:40:28,817 --> 03:40:31,217
So we don't have the entire UVA club

4412
03:40:31,217 --> 03:40:33,852
in here lining the the bleachers, which

4413
03:40:33,852 --> 03:40:34,727
is what would happen.

4414
03:40:34,727 --> 03:40:36,377
You would have 100 people in here

4415
03:40:36,377 --> 03:40:40,577
if we tried to pave Dick Woods Road

4416
03:40:40,577 --> 03:40:44,897
And so I might just say it would be nice

4417
03:40:44,897 --> 03:40:48,707
if we could engage with this issue of recreational road use

4418
03:40:48,707 --> 03:40:50,777
and how we engage and incentivize

4419
03:40:50,777 --> 03:40:54,770
and build this as a county Outside of this conversation.

4420
03:40:54,770 --> 03:40:55,727
And it would be it would be really

4421
03:40:55,727 --> 03:40:58,670
and there was the recommendation that you read off

4422
03:40:58,670 --> 03:40:59,870
to that effect.

4423
03:40:59,870 --> 03:41:03,287
I think that would serve and scratch a lot of the edge

4424
03:41:03,287 --> 03:41:07,131
that I think we're hearing from the public on this.

4425
03:41:07,131 --> 03:41:10,337
Like alberich doesn't have to be the channeling function for all

4426
03:41:10,337 --> 03:41:12,887
of recreational or rural activity.

4427
03:41:12,887 --> 03:41:16,792
And in Albemarle County, we protect our IRA.

4428
03:41:16,792 --> 03:41:19,987
Yeah, yeah, I will protect him from your ire

4429
03:41:19,987 --> 03:41:22,427
because we've stood together being run over

4430
03:41:22,427 --> 03:41:25,157
by the speeders a number of times.

4431
03:41:25,157 --> 03:41:27,377
I do have one thing that I know well you get to me,

4432
03:41:27,377 --> 03:41:29,335
I think somebody else has some go.

4433
03:41:29,335 --> 03:41:31,127
Yeah, and we got to get going because we've

4434
03:41:31,127 --> 03:41:32,870
got to get in a close meeting.

4435
03:41:32,870 --> 03:41:32,957
So quick comments.

4436
03:41:32,957 --> 03:41:35,570
Supervisor Malik Good comments.

4437
03:41:35,570 --> 03:41:37,903
This is a quality of life issue.

4438
03:41:37,903 --> 03:41:40,479
And we have missed the boat.

4439
03:41:40,479 --> 03:41:41,283
So far.

4440
03:41:41,283 --> 03:41:43,427
On what Roanoke has made an enormous success

4441
03:41:43,427 --> 03:41:46,397
of being the first ranked in the Commonwealth

4442
03:41:46,397 --> 03:41:49,277
for outdoor recreation and our CVB

4443
03:41:49,277 --> 03:41:51,947
is pretending that they are doing all this advertising.

4444
03:41:51,947 --> 03:41:54,170
But if we are destroying the facilities

4445
03:41:54,170 --> 03:41:57,770
that we're trying to draw people to, we are killing ourselves.

4446
03:41:57,770 --> 03:42:01,607
Back in 2007, going door to door and Edwards Road people

4447
03:42:01,607 --> 03:42:04,370
complained to me about their neighbors who

4448
03:42:04,370 --> 03:42:07,670
said they moved in here and told me that their realtor promised

4449
03:42:07,670 --> 03:42:09,947
them that the road to be paved and 26

4450
03:42:09,947 --> 03:42:11,717
and I don't want it paved.

4451
03:42:11,717 --> 03:42:14,447
And that's how far back my personal experience goes

4452
03:42:14,447 --> 03:42:16,570
with that particular stretch.

4453
03:42:16,570 --> 03:42:21,527
That was chosen right away in 2008 because of the use

4454
03:42:21,527 --> 03:42:24,858
by the high school kids for practice.

4455
03:42:24,858 --> 03:42:26,987
So lots of other people benefited

4456
03:42:26,987 --> 03:42:32,327
from that I think it's perfectly fine to consider used decisions

4457
03:42:32,327 --> 03:42:33,437
made by the board.

4458
03:42:33,437 --> 03:42:36,647
There are lots of use decisions made in every other aspect

4459
03:42:36,647 --> 03:42:37,757
of local government.

4460
03:42:37,757 --> 03:42:41,790
So people have said, why is it recreation

4461
03:42:41,790 --> 03:42:44,320
funded based some more on the number of users instead

4462
03:42:44,320 --> 03:42:47,807
of organized sports and the ones who get all the headlines when

4463
03:42:47,807 --> 03:42:50,357
they're probably I don't even know how many

4464
03:42:50,357 --> 03:42:55,157
hundreds of one Walkers, writers and runners who

4465
03:42:55,337 --> 03:42:57,527
like to use these kinds of facilities as opposed

4466
03:42:57,527 --> 03:43:00,400
to kids who, you know, somebody who does something else.

4467
03:43:00,400 --> 03:43:02,207
I don't know the answer to that, but it's a question

4468
03:43:02,207 --> 03:43:05,207
that was raised to me.

4469
03:43:05,927 --> 03:43:06,617
There.

4470
03:43:06,617 --> 03:43:09,770
One thing I forgot to say earlier there

4471
03:43:09,770 --> 03:43:11,340
are many roads on that paving list that

4472
03:43:11,340 --> 03:43:13,765
have fewer than 80 cars a day.

4473
03:43:13,765 --> 03:43:19,165
And that, to me, is 1,000,005 from paving roads between 60

4474
03:43:19,270 --> 03:43:20,957
and 70 cars per day.

4475
03:43:20,957 --> 03:43:23,489
That money could be spent in other ways.

4476
03:43:23,489 --> 03:43:26,412
And we have finally, the authority to do that.

4477
03:43:26,412 --> 03:43:28,733
So I would just throw that out there, and ask you all

4478
03:43:28,733 --> 03:43:30,527
to consider that long before April,

4479
03:43:30,527 --> 03:43:33,808
because this is been going around, around,

4480
03:43:33,808 --> 03:43:36,690
around for a long, long time.

4481
03:43:36,690 --> 03:43:36,747
Thank you.

4482
03:43:36,747 --> 03:43:37,247
You.

4483
03:43:37,247 --> 03:43:38,567
Last comment.

4484
03:43:38,567 --> 03:43:41,870
Yeah, I just wanted to say that I i'm

4485
03:43:41,870 --> 03:43:44,537
not against looking at all these roads and any other roads that

4486
03:43:44,537 --> 03:43:48,377
are added, but I think we need to take in

4487
03:43:48,377 --> 03:43:49,670
with the community things.

4488
03:43:49,670 --> 03:43:51,220
But also what the residents think

4489
03:43:51,220 --> 03:43:55,727
and maybe just do A11 by one because I'm not sure

4490
03:43:55,727 --> 03:44:01,277
that all of these the other ones that Supervisor Malik suggests

4491
03:44:01,277 --> 03:44:07,667
that the residents may be just fine not having it not having it

4492
03:44:07,667 --> 03:44:10,670
paved so thank you.

4493
03:44:10,670 --> 03:44:10,637
Thank you.

4494
03:44:10,637 --> 03:44:13,797
And I also agree with the flow charts That was wonderful.

4495
03:44:13,797 --> 03:44:14,297
Yeah.

4496
03:44:14,297 --> 03:44:15,167
To stuff.

4497
03:44:15,167 --> 03:44:15,977
Good stuff.

4498
03:44:15,977 --> 03:44:18,377
Thank you All right.

4499
03:44:18,947 --> 03:44:23,297
Board We're going to move to the item 13, the 2026 Thomas

4500
03:44:23,297 --> 03:44:26,687
Jefferson Planning District Commission Regional Solid Waste

4501
03:44:26,687 --> 03:44:30,347
Management Plan, and Jamie is going to introduce us.

4502
03:44:30,347 --> 03:44:32,897
And we also have Isabella O'Brien from the t J PTC

4503
03:44:32,897 --> 03:44:35,897
with us Good day board.

4504
03:44:38,267 --> 03:44:40,637
My name is Jamie Powers from Climate Action program

4505
03:44:40,637 --> 03:44:42,557
Manager with Elmira County.

4506
03:44:42,557 --> 03:44:45,347
I'll offer just a few brief comments to introduce

4507
03:44:45,347 --> 03:44:47,347
your presentation today.

4508
03:44:47,447 --> 03:44:51,770
On our way to getting to zero net greenhouse gas

4509
03:44:51,770 --> 03:44:55,217
emissions in 2050, solid waste composition in landfill

4510
03:44:55,217 --> 03:44:58,217
comprises about 2% of that total.

4511
03:44:58,277 --> 03:45:01,877
So a very small amount in the grand scheme of things However,

4512
03:45:01,877 --> 03:45:05,747
solid waste is a gateway issue for community members

4513
03:45:05,747 --> 03:45:07,667
to become more involved in climate

4514
03:45:07,667 --> 03:45:10,670
action and other environmental initiative.

4515
03:45:10,670 --> 03:45:13,997
It's also something that we know through our community engagement

4516
03:45:13,997 --> 03:45:16,370
feedback surveys show that it's something

4517
03:45:16,370 --> 03:45:19,427
that the community cares deeply about, as is evidenced

4518
03:45:19,427 --> 03:45:21,827
through the legislative principles

4519
03:45:22,367 --> 03:45:26,957
that you saw earlier today So anything we can do to enhance,

4520
03:45:26,957 --> 03:45:29,897
improve our solid waste management system

4521
03:45:29,897 --> 03:45:33,917
is up for offers opportunities for deeper, engaged mint

4522
03:45:33,917 --> 03:45:36,137
in partnership with community members

4523
03:45:36,137 --> 03:45:38,837
in achieving all of our climate and environmental goals.

4524
03:45:38,837 --> 03:45:41,807
So with that I welcome Isabella O'Brien,

4525
03:45:41,807 --> 03:45:46,700
environmental planner with the PTC Thank you.

4526
03:45:47,870 --> 03:45:48,167
Good afternoon, Chair.

4527
03:45:48,167 --> 03:45:49,409
Galloway All these down.

4528
03:45:49,409 --> 03:45:49,909
OK.

4529
03:45:49,909 --> 03:45:51,451
And Isabella, there's a little button

4530
03:45:51,451 --> 03:45:54,437
if you want to lower that so we can see the podium.

4531
03:45:54,437 --> 03:45:57,240
But you're fine too, if you're getting okay.

4532
03:45:57,240 --> 03:45:59,227
I think it's okay for me if it's okay for you.

4533
03:45:59,227 --> 03:46:02,777
Thank you. you for having me this evening, as mentioned,

4534
03:46:02,777 --> 03:46:04,637
I'm Isabella O'Brien and a regional planner,

4535
03:46:04,637 --> 03:46:07,397
too, at the Thomas Jefferson Planning District Commission.

4536
03:46:07,397 --> 03:46:08,256
And tonight.

4537
03:46:08,256 --> 03:46:11,494
I'll provide a brief overview of the 2026 Solid Waste Management

4538
03:46:11,494 --> 03:46:12,830
Plan.

4539
03:46:12,830 --> 03:46:15,557
Update highlight the findings relevant to Albemarle and review

4540
03:46:15,557 --> 03:46:19,670
the next steps before Plan Adoption.

4541
03:46:19,670 --> 03:46:21,677
The solid Waste planning Unit includes Albemarle County,

4542
03:46:21,677 --> 03:46:25,370
the city of Charlottesville, Savannah and Green County.

4543
03:46:25,370 --> 03:46:27,615
The t.J. Peabody staff coordinates the activities,

4544
03:46:27,615 --> 03:46:30,170
the state requires of our solid waste planning

4545
03:46:30,170 --> 03:46:34,487
unit on behalf of these localities as a planning unit,

4546
03:46:34,487 --> 03:46:36,677
we have two primary responsibilities

4547
03:46:36,677 --> 03:46:40,277
the annual recycling rate reporting due to Q

4548
03:46:40,277 --> 03:46:43,435
and maintaining our regional solid waste management

4549
03:46:43,435 --> 03:46:46,877
plan State regulations require that this plan be updated

4550
03:46:46,877 --> 03:46:50,390
and maintained every five years with the next update due to D

4551
03:46:50,390 --> 03:46:55,517
EMQQ in October of this year The plan is guided by Virginia's

4552
03:46:55,517 --> 03:46:58,307
waste management hierarchy as stated in the Associated

4553
03:46:58,307 --> 03:46:59,927
Planning regulations.

4554
03:46:59,927 --> 03:47:01,907
The preferred approach is to reduce waste

4555
03:47:01,907 --> 03:47:04,877
before it's generated, followed by reuse recycling

4556
03:47:04,877 --> 03:47:07,418
and composting and then disposal options,

4557
03:47:07,418 --> 03:47:10,472
such as landfilling and energy recovery

4558
03:47:10,472 --> 03:47:12,347
are considered after those opportunities have

4559
03:47:12,347 --> 03:47:14,347
been evaluated.

4560
03:47:14,927 --> 03:47:18,167
So state regulations also establish the required contents

4561
03:47:18,167 --> 03:47:19,397
of the plan.

4562
03:47:19,397 --> 03:47:23,417
This update evaluates existing facilities and services, waste

4563
03:47:23,417 --> 03:47:24,802
and recycling trends.

4564
03:47:24,802 --> 03:47:25,847
Future needs.

4565
03:47:25,847 --> 03:47:28,787
Public outreach efforts and implementation strategy

4566
03:47:28,787 --> 03:47:31,157
for the next 20 years.

4567
03:47:31,157 --> 03:47:34,277
It also includes future population and waste projections

4568
03:47:34,277 --> 03:47:36,977
funding considerations and strategies for maintaining

4569
03:47:36,977 --> 03:47:39,977
compliance with Virginia's recycling requirements

4570
03:47:41,777 --> 03:47:44,537
So as mentioned, one of the plan's major components

4571
03:47:44,537 --> 03:47:47,957
is the annual recycling rates And Virginia requires

4572
03:47:47,957 --> 03:47:52,487
our planning unit to maintain a minimum recycling rate of 25%

4573
03:47:52,487 --> 03:47:54,857
based on our cumulative population.

4574
03:47:54,857 --> 03:47:58,700
And TCP staff coordinates the collection

4575
03:47:58,700 --> 03:48:01,187
and reporting of this recycling data from local governments

4576
03:48:01,187 --> 03:48:04,970
public facilities and participating reporting partners

4577
03:48:04,970 --> 03:48:07,670
around the region It is important to note

4578
03:48:07,670 --> 03:48:10,970
that the recycling rate is based on reporting requirements that

4579
03:48:10,970 --> 03:48:12,167
are established by dequeue.

4580
03:48:12,167 --> 03:48:14,387
The process does not capture all waste

4581
03:48:14,387 --> 03:48:17,570
management activities such as construction demolition

4582
03:48:17,570 --> 03:48:21,497
and debris and private haulers and recycling facilities

4583
03:48:21,497 --> 03:48:24,347
are encouraged but not required by state code

4584
03:48:24,347 --> 03:48:27,170
to report their data to us However,

4585
03:48:27,170 --> 03:48:29,357
local governments can obtain that information

4586
03:48:29,357 --> 03:48:31,997
through local ordinances or permitting requirements,

4587
03:48:31,997 --> 03:48:35,297
and as a result the recycling rate

4588
03:48:35,297 --> 03:48:37,427
should be viewed more as a useful compliance

4589
03:48:37,427 --> 03:48:41,837
metric and trend metric rather than a complete picture of all

4590
03:48:41,837 --> 03:48:43,997
of the recycling and diversion occurring

4591
03:48:43,997 --> 03:48:49,787
within a locality The recycling rate is calculated by comparing

4592
03:48:49,787 --> 03:48:53,897
documented recycling tonnage to documented municipal solid waste

4593
03:48:53,897 --> 03:48:57,170
disposal and there are credits up to 5%

4594
03:48:57,170 --> 03:48:58,967
that D EMQQ provides for recycling

4595
03:48:58,967 --> 03:49:01,577
of non municipal solid waste, such as construction,

4596
03:49:01,577 --> 03:49:04,817
demolition and debris, or for source

4597
03:49:04,817 --> 03:49:07,217
reduction and reuse programs.

4598
03:49:08,657 --> 03:49:11,597
So based on the data that we collect for the recycling

4599
03:49:11,597 --> 03:49:14,237
report, the region consistent only

4600
03:49:14,237 --> 03:49:18,437
does exceed the required rate between 2021 and 24

4601
03:49:19,517 --> 03:49:23,507
at the regional rate ranged from 34 to 41%.

4602
03:49:23,507 --> 03:49:25,997
And you'll notice that Charlottesville and Albemarle

4603
03:49:25,997 --> 03:49:28,457
are reported together because much of their data

4604
03:49:28,457 --> 03:49:30,317
comes from the relevant authorities serving

4605
03:49:30,317 --> 03:49:33,707
both jurisdictions and based on their data, information

4606
03:49:33,707 --> 03:49:37,457
from the city's waste contract waste and recycling hauler.

4607
03:49:37,457 --> 03:49:39,947
Some private businesses and UVA.

4608
03:49:39,947 --> 03:49:43,377
The reported recycling rate ranged from approximately 41

4609
03:49:43,377 --> 03:49:46,377
to 49% during that same period.

4610
03:49:46,727 --> 03:49:50,327
And because private facilities and haulers,

4611
03:49:50,357 --> 03:49:54,137
the reporting is voluntary, some of the recycling activity

4612
03:49:54,137 --> 03:49:56,147
may not be captured if haulers manage

4613
03:49:56,147 --> 03:49:57,857
their waste, that private facilities

4614
03:49:57,857 --> 03:50:01,970
or haul it outside of our region.

4615
03:50:01,970 --> 03:50:03,287
And as a result, understanding local performance

4616
03:50:03,287 --> 03:50:05,177
requires looking beyond the recycling rate

4617
03:50:05,177 --> 03:50:08,387
alone, especially in the more rural portions of our planning

4618
03:50:08,387 --> 03:50:10,670
unit.

4619
03:50:10,670 --> 03:50:13,651
So in this chart, you can see some of those reporting

4620
03:50:13,651 --> 03:50:15,677
challenges, differences between jurisdictions

4621
03:50:15,677 --> 03:50:18,857
can reflect differences in data availability and reporting

4622
03:50:18,857 --> 03:50:21,377
practices as much as differences in recycling,

4623
03:50:21,377 --> 03:50:24,317
participation for localities with more activity

4624
03:50:24,317 --> 03:50:26,207
is handled through private sector haulers

4625
03:50:26,207 --> 03:50:28,817
or facilities may appear to recycle less or manage

4626
03:50:28,817 --> 03:50:31,997
less waste overall because fewer materials are captured.

4627
03:50:31,997 --> 03:50:37,247
In the scope of this report the Charlottesville, Albemarle area

4628
03:50:37,247 --> 03:50:39,227
reports a per capita disposal rate

4629
03:50:39,227 --> 03:50:42,257
that's generally lower than the national average based

4630
03:50:42,257 --> 03:50:44,507
on the latest data from EPA, which

4631
03:50:44,507 --> 03:50:50,274
is 2018, which may point to some of these data gaps.

4632
03:50:50,274 --> 03:50:54,470
So so the planning process began in late 2020

4633
03:50:54,470 --> 03:50:56,477
for and over the course of that process,

4634
03:50:56,477 --> 03:50:59,870
we've held five technical advisory committee meetings

4635
03:50:59,870 --> 03:51:02,117
with your local staff and stakeholders.

4636
03:51:02,117 --> 03:51:05,297
The Technical Advisory Committee was instrument to the plans.

4637
03:51:05,297 --> 03:51:08,297
Update staff provided local detail

4638
03:51:08,447 --> 03:51:10,685
about the locally specific implement actions

4639
03:51:10,685 --> 03:51:13,877
and reviewed the draft planning in advance of the public comment

4640
03:51:13,877 --> 03:51:15,377
period.

4641
03:51:15,377 --> 03:51:17,966
Public engagement occurred throughout the process.

4642
03:51:17,966 --> 03:51:20,957
We should information through PVC channels, locality,

4643
03:51:20,957 --> 03:51:23,270
newsletters and collected information

4644
03:51:23,270 --> 03:51:25,307
through a public survey and workshop.

4645
03:51:25,307 --> 03:51:27,557
We also collected feedback from the community

4646
03:51:27,557 --> 03:51:29,628
during a 30 day public comment period.

4647
03:51:29,628 --> 03:51:31,187
This August.

4648
03:51:31,187 --> 03:51:33,407
And there's also the opportunity to share comments

4649
03:51:33,407 --> 03:51:36,821
and in advance of or during a public hearing

4650
03:51:36,821 --> 03:51:41,207
held tomorrow at the PVC Commission meeting at 7 p.m.

4651
03:51:41,207 --> 03:51:46,700
before local adoptions Later the September as part

4652
03:51:47,435 --> 03:51:51,437
of our public survey we received 257 responses

4653
03:51:51,437 --> 03:51:54,617
across the planning unit, including approximately 97

4654
03:51:54,617 --> 03:51:58,119
from Albemarle County residents and across the region.

4655
03:51:58,119 --> 03:52:00,112
We saw several themes.

4656
03:52:00,112 --> 03:52:03,707
There's a desire for greater transparency regarding

4657
03:52:03,707 --> 03:52:06,257
what happens to collected materials,

4658
03:52:06,257 --> 03:52:09,137
improve convenience for recycling and composting

4659
03:52:09,137 --> 03:52:11,537
and expanded diversion opportunities.

4660
03:52:11,807 --> 03:52:14,357
And these themes help to shape both the regional goals

4661
03:52:14,357 --> 03:52:17,627
and locally specific actions included in the plan

4662
03:52:17,627 --> 03:52:21,137
And if you're curious, you can see the detailed survey response

4663
03:52:21,137 --> 03:52:27,137
via the link here and also in the plan appendices

4664
03:52:27,317 --> 03:52:29,327
Overall, Albemarle County residents

4665
03:52:29,327 --> 03:52:32,777
expressed strong support for expanding recycling, composting

4666
03:52:32,777 --> 03:52:34,547
and waste diversion opportunities

4667
03:52:34,547 --> 03:52:37,967
while identifying access, convenience and transparency

4668
03:52:37,967 --> 03:52:41,477
as key priorities for survey respondents consistently

4669
03:52:41,477 --> 03:52:44,897
requested additional recycling and compost drop off locations

4670
03:52:44,897 --> 03:52:49,970
particularly in Crosby, Northern Albemarle and areas

4671
03:52:49,367 --> 03:52:52,367
farther from existing facilities residents

4672
03:52:52,457 --> 03:52:54,287
also demonstrated strong interest

4673
03:52:54,287 --> 03:52:58,127
in more accessible and affordable composting options.

4674
03:52:58,127 --> 03:53:01,907
So while some private curbside compost collection services

4675
03:53:01,907 --> 03:53:04,307
are available many residents indicated

4676
03:53:04,307 --> 03:53:06,707
that the cost remains a barrier to participation

4677
03:53:06,707 --> 03:53:09,827
And as a result, residents expressed interest

4678
03:53:09,827 --> 03:53:12,197
in expanding composting opportunities,

4679
03:53:12,197 --> 03:53:15,527
including lower cost curbside community composting,

4680
03:53:15,527 --> 03:53:17,237
drop off options and other county

4681
03:53:17,237 --> 03:53:20,837
supported programs Additional feedback highlighted interest

4682
03:53:21,377 --> 03:53:25,577
in expanding collection programs for specialty materials,

4683
03:53:25,697 --> 03:53:27,947
improving recycling and composting access.

4684
03:53:27,947 --> 03:53:32,747
Specifically at multifamily and rental and business properties

4685
03:53:32,807 --> 03:53:37,997
and supporting waste reduction and reuse initiatives in line

4686
03:53:37,997 --> 03:53:41,477
with the themes from the regional feedback respondents

4687
03:53:41,477 --> 03:53:45,197
frequently called for clearer and more detailed guidance

4688
03:53:45,197 --> 03:53:48,167
on what can and cannot be recycled,

4689
03:53:48,167 --> 03:53:49,547
especially for plastics.

4690
03:53:49,547 --> 03:53:51,947
Compostable products, batteries, electronics

4691
03:53:52,757 --> 03:53:55,487
and other hard to recycle materials

4692
03:53:55,487 --> 03:53:58,577
There was concern about contamination and wish cycling

4693
03:53:58,577 --> 03:54:02,477
happening and they just wanted better educational resources

4694
03:54:02,477 --> 03:54:06,437
to improve diversion and trust and transparency

4695
03:54:06,437 --> 03:54:10,670
was another major theme, asking for more information about where

4696
03:54:10,670 --> 03:54:13,697
recyclables go after collection and whether materials

4697
03:54:13,697 --> 03:54:17,297
are actually being recycled All right

4698
03:54:20,147 --> 03:54:22,700
so the draft plan organize.

4699
03:54:22,700 --> 03:54:26,807
It's the implementation efforts into three focus areas

4700
03:54:27,437 --> 03:54:32,237
data and information sharing and planning and waste diversion.

4701
03:54:32,237 --> 03:54:35,417
The regional goals address many of the issues identified

4702
03:54:35,417 --> 03:54:38,957
through public engagement and each locality

4703
03:54:38,957 --> 03:54:41,927
submitted local locally specific objectives

4704
03:54:41,927 --> 03:54:44,297
to support each of these goals.

4705
03:54:44,297 --> 03:54:47,614
This was this was part of the focus of the technical Advisory

4706
03:54:47,614 --> 03:54:50,807
Committee team members ensuring alignment with each localities

4707
03:54:50,807 --> 03:54:53,807
programs and resources and Albemarle

4708
03:54:54,857 --> 03:54:58,787
provided 14 of the 60 total locally specific actions

4709
03:54:58,787 --> 03:55:03,407
in the plan for Albemarle implementation actions focused

4710
03:55:03,407 --> 03:55:07,847
on expanding public education and outreach programs, improving

4711
03:55:07,847 --> 03:55:10,967
waste and recycling data collection, reporting benefit

4712
03:55:10,967 --> 03:55:13,967
action and public transparency conducting

4713
03:55:14,537 --> 03:55:17,807
countywide assessments of solid waste system capacity

4714
03:55:17,807 --> 03:55:19,877
and future service needs.

4715
03:55:19,877 --> 03:55:22,280
Increasing diversion of priority materials,

4716
03:55:22,280 --> 03:55:26,987
such as food waste, cardboard, textiles and construction debris

4717
03:55:26,987 --> 03:55:28,817
through targeted programs supporting

4718
03:55:28,817 --> 03:55:31,217
circular, circular economy initiatives

4719
03:55:32,207 --> 03:55:35,207
and regional recycling market development,

4720
03:55:35,387 --> 03:55:37,997
and then improving equitable access to waste

4721
03:55:37,997 --> 03:55:44,570
and recycling services So the key changes from the last plan

4722
03:55:44,570 --> 03:55:46,997
compared to the 2021 update, this plan

4723
03:55:46,997 --> 03:55:49,370
includes a more detailed analysis

4724
03:55:49,370 --> 03:55:52,397
of the recycling and disposal trends and expanded

4725
03:55:52,397 --> 03:55:56,147
public engagement process and locally specific implementation

4726
03:55:56,147 --> 03:56:00,287
actions The appendices include all of our public engagement

4727
03:56:00,287 --> 03:56:02,287
materials adoption resolutions.

4728
03:56:02,537 --> 03:56:07,577
Once approved a technical report that was developed by a master

4729
03:56:07,577 --> 03:56:10,487
student at UVA School of Public Policy that focused

4730
03:56:10,487 --> 03:56:13,247
on rural waste diversion opportunities,

4731
03:56:13,247 --> 03:56:15,167
as well as the detailed implementation

4732
03:56:15,167 --> 03:56:19,367
plan and the draft plan is currently

4733
03:56:20,297 --> 03:56:24,760
available on our website and following today's presentation,

4734
03:56:24,760 --> 03:56:27,797
the PDC will hold the required public hearing,

4735
03:56:27,797 --> 03:56:31,137
incorporate any final feedback and return the plan

4736
03:56:31,137 --> 03:56:34,397
to local boards, The City Council and the PVC commission

4737
03:56:34,397 --> 03:56:39,797
for Adoption before being submitted to THQ in October

4738
03:56:40,127 --> 03:56:42,917
So here is the link to our website with all of the updated

4739
03:56:42,917 --> 03:56:46,547
planets cereals and thank you for your time and participation

4740
03:56:46,547 --> 03:56:47,567
throughout this process.

4741
03:56:47,567 --> 03:56:50,644
I'm happy to answer any questions Thank you.

4742
03:56:50,644 --> 03:56:53,799
Supervisor Malik, thank you very much.

4743
03:56:53,799 --> 03:56:56,507
I really appreciate the goals that you enumerated,

4744
03:56:56,507 --> 03:57:00,257
particularly the education one and the guidance document

4745
03:57:00,257 --> 03:57:03,137
and know our select committee is working hard to refine.

4746
03:57:03,137 --> 03:57:05,567
And I know they've shared it with you for comments with

4747
03:57:05,567 --> 03:57:09,647
your university intern to be able to share with

4748
03:57:09,647 --> 03:57:12,560
the university students All 30,000 of them too,

4749
03:57:12,560 --> 03:57:16,247
would be a really great help as far as the whole thing.

4750
03:57:16,247 --> 03:57:19,337
I am continually frustrated by the lack of your hands being

4751
03:57:19,337 --> 03:57:21,407
tied by the lack of reporting.

4752
03:57:21,407 --> 03:57:24,553
So I guess my future quest, My question for future research.

4753
03:57:24,553 --> 03:57:29,267
Mr. County Attorney, is, do we have the authority to require

4754
03:57:29,267 --> 03:57:31,194
haulers to be registered, licensed,

4755
03:57:31,194 --> 03:57:33,347
pay their business taxes at our county,

4756
03:57:33,347 --> 03:57:35,798
and we required to report their tonnage ?

4757
03:57:35,798 --> 03:57:36,298
Right.

4758
03:57:36,298 --> 03:57:38,450
And as I said before, I'll need to take a look into that.

4759
03:57:38,450 --> 03:57:38,737
Yes.

4760
03:57:38,737 --> 03:57:39,167
Thank you.

4761
03:57:39,167 --> 03:57:39,667
You.

4762
03:57:39,667 --> 03:57:43,997
There are examples in Arlington and Loudoun counties

4763
03:57:43,997 --> 03:57:46,967
of where they have hollow requirements in place to require

4764
03:57:46,967 --> 03:57:48,842
reporting based on the size.

4765
03:57:48,842 --> 03:57:52,367
And then there's an example in the city of Alexandria

4766
03:57:52,367 --> 03:57:55,800
where they have permitting requirements

4767
03:57:55,800 --> 03:57:58,547
So oftentimes, I know Albemarle County already

4768
03:57:58,547 --> 03:58:01,187
has a permitting process for all of their haulers

4769
03:58:01,187 --> 03:58:04,637
but requiring annual updates to that, that also

4770
03:58:04,637 --> 03:58:05,809
requires data being shared.

4771
03:58:05,809 --> 03:58:09,167
So there are examples that exist within the state of Virginia

4772
03:58:09,167 --> 03:58:13,337
Well, the discrepancy of our SWC having 100 businesses crossing

4773
03:58:13,337 --> 03:58:16,247
the scale when we have 15 or 20 who are licensed,

4774
03:58:16,247 --> 03:58:18,400
that was a shocking statistic.

4775
03:58:18,400 --> 03:58:19,879
So I hope we will make some progress on that.

4776
03:58:19,879 --> 03:58:21,587
Thank you very much.

4777
03:58:21,587 --> 03:58:24,557
Supervisor Duncan No comments, really.

4778
03:58:24,557 --> 03:58:25,547
This is really great.

4779
03:58:25,547 --> 03:58:27,527
And it's of interesting.

4780
03:58:27,527 --> 03:58:30,527
Supervisor pruitt, this is my second bite

4781
03:58:30,527 --> 03:58:31,457
at this presentation.

4782
03:58:31,457 --> 03:58:35,417
And so I'm going to not make any further comments.

4783
03:58:35,417 --> 03:58:38,763
Supervisor And you'll get your third department supervisor.

4784
03:58:38,763 --> 03:58:39,853
Whistle Thank you.

4785
03:58:39,853 --> 03:58:40,397
Thanks.

4786
03:58:40,397 --> 03:58:41,323
For the presentation.

4787
03:58:41,323 --> 03:58:42,248
Was really off.

4788
03:58:42,248 --> 03:58:43,868
Was a lot of information there.

4789
03:58:43,868 --> 03:58:45,257
So a couple of questions.

4790
03:58:45,257 --> 03:58:50,447
One is I have to find my notes my question.

4791
03:58:50,447 --> 03:58:52,847
So when I'm sorry.

4792
03:58:53,991 --> 03:58:54,851
Forgive me.

4793
03:58:54,851 --> 03:58:57,851
I'm on Medicare here Sorry.

4794
03:59:01,817 --> 03:59:04,277
But I had this in front of me.

4795
03:59:04,277 --> 03:59:05,330
OK.

4796
03:59:05,330 --> 03:59:08,177
So public feedback public survey, public feedback.

4797
03:59:08,177 --> 03:59:12,437
It seemed to me that there was a lot of request for education,

4798
03:59:12,437 --> 03:59:14,837
all opportunities, additional not

4799
03:59:14,897 --> 03:59:20,717
a lot of requests for a specific facilities to be added.

4800
03:59:20,717 --> 03:59:22,717
Is that fair?

4801
03:59:22,877 --> 03:59:23,597
Let me go back.

4802
03:59:23,597 --> 03:59:26,867
But there was one that actually talked about expanding recycling

4803
03:59:26,867 --> 03:59:28,167
opportunities.

4804
03:59:28,167 --> 03:59:28,667
Yes.

4805
03:59:28,667 --> 03:59:32,867
So particular in northern Albemarle along Route 29

4806
03:59:32,987 --> 03:59:36,287
and in Crosby there were some requests for additional drop

4807
03:59:36,287 --> 03:59:39,677
off locations just for convenience use.

4808
03:59:39,677 --> 03:59:42,257
They noted that Ivy or McIntyre was a barrier.

4809
03:59:42,257 --> 03:59:44,207
It's not really on there commuting path.

4810
03:59:44,207 --> 03:59:45,167
Got it.

4811
03:59:45,167 --> 03:59:45,947
And so did that.

4812
03:59:45,947 --> 03:59:50,906
Did those show up in your original implementation plan?

4813
03:59:50,906 --> 03:59:52,907
I just I may not have seen them.

4814
03:59:52,907 --> 03:59:54,737
It's just a you don't have to answer now.

4815
03:59:54,737 --> 03:59:57,440
I'm just making sure that that's all kind

4816
03:59:57,440 --> 03:59:58,127
of captured in that piece.

4817
03:59:58,127 --> 04:00:00,127
I think that was one thing that stood out to me.

4818
04:00:00,127 --> 04:00:03,557
I know there was a locality specific item for Albemarle that

4819
04:00:03,557 --> 04:00:07,157
was to increase accessibility of facilities,

4820
04:00:07,307 --> 04:00:09,707
but I don't know if it had nailed down

4821
04:00:09,707 --> 04:00:11,267
any specific locations.

4822
04:00:11,267 --> 04:00:11,987
Okay.

4823
04:00:11,987 --> 04:00:13,675
That's good to know.

4824
04:00:13,675 --> 04:00:15,485
And then the other.

4825
04:00:15,485 --> 04:00:18,587
I guess is these are great plans.

4826
04:00:18,587 --> 04:00:22,700
This is a pretty massive lift, I think.

4827
04:00:22,700 --> 04:00:26,230
What are we using to review the success metrics?

4828
04:00:26,230 --> 04:00:27,720
Are there.

4829
04:00:27,720 --> 04:00:28,756
What are to the outcomes?

4830
04:00:28,756 --> 04:00:30,647
Like how often do you check it?

4831
04:00:30,647 --> 04:00:33,137
How often do you say this implementation plan is working

4832
04:00:33,137 --> 04:00:35,177
or it needs to be amended, etc.?

4833
04:00:35,177 --> 04:00:37,367
That is something that's been updated

4834
04:00:37,367 --> 04:00:38,867
as a part of this process.

4835
04:00:38,867 --> 04:00:41,237
This is my first time working through the whole process,

4836
04:00:41,237 --> 04:00:45,287
but we've added a plan maintenance section which

4837
04:00:45,287 --> 04:00:47,627
will encourage the technical advisory committee

4838
04:00:47,627 --> 04:00:50,417
members to come back together on an annual basis

4839
04:00:50,417 --> 04:00:52,817
to review Yeah, exactly.

4840
04:00:54,470 --> 04:00:54,678
Okay, great.

4841
04:00:54,678 --> 04:00:55,178
Thank you.

4842
04:00:55,178 --> 04:00:55,817
That's it.

4843
04:00:55,817 --> 04:01:01,217
And I know your staff has also really highlighted

4844
04:01:01,247 --> 04:01:04,427
the need for a better baseline of our data.

4845
04:01:04,427 --> 04:01:07,187
So how can we know if we're making system improvements

4846
04:01:07,187 --> 04:01:09,467
if the recycling rate data isn't really

4847
04:01:09,467 --> 04:01:11,307
reflective of the whole picture?

4848
04:01:11,307 --> 04:01:11,807
Yeah.

4849
04:01:11,807 --> 04:01:14,975
So there's efforts there as well.

4850
04:01:14,975 --> 04:01:15,719
OK.

4851
04:01:15,719 --> 04:01:16,835
Thank you.

4852
04:01:16,835 --> 04:01:19,997
Supervisor Lipstick early is the actual plan

4853
04:01:19,997 --> 04:01:24,797
to increase recycling to have more convenient centers

4854
04:01:27,167 --> 04:01:32,837
throughout the county or to have a system in the urban ring

4855
04:01:32,837 --> 04:01:37,370
where you actually collect trash and recyclables.

4856
04:01:38,747 --> 04:01:41,327
So it's interesting because the plan is really

4857
04:01:41,327 --> 04:01:45,947
guided by D. Q regulations and their main goal

4858
04:01:45,947 --> 04:01:50,147
as part of this planning process is to look at our population,

4859
04:01:50,147 --> 04:01:54,470
our waste projections to see if overall, as a state,

4860
04:01:54,470 --> 04:01:56,747
we have enough landfill capacity to manage all

4861
04:01:56,747 --> 04:01:57,917
of the waste happening here.

4862
04:01:57,917 --> 04:02:02,570
So as that stands we're meeting the requirements of the plan.

4863
04:02:02,570 --> 04:02:04,787
Does that make sense We're meeting

4864
04:02:04,787 --> 04:02:07,248
the requirement of the plan.

4865
04:02:07,248 --> 04:02:11,303
The D EMQQ has laid out what the future specifications will

4866
04:02:11,303 --> 04:02:15,707
be implement station plan is to move higher

4867
04:02:15,707 --> 04:02:18,347
in the waste management hierarchy,

4868
04:02:18,347 --> 04:02:20,454
further towards waste reduction.

4869
04:02:20,454 --> 04:02:22,370
So I got to go all the way to the top,

4870
04:02:22,370 --> 04:02:25,667
but source reduction, reuse, recycling and composting

4871
04:02:25,667 --> 04:02:28,697
and moving further away from landfilling

4872
04:02:28,697 --> 04:02:32,477
But it's really up to your staff, your boards,

4873
04:02:32,477 --> 04:02:36,846
your resources as to tell you implement that plan.

4874
04:02:36,846 --> 04:02:38,513
Basically we're meeting the requirements

4875
04:02:38,513 --> 04:02:40,285
as it stands for plan maintenance.

4876
04:02:40,285 --> 04:02:42,517
OK, So you're meeting the minimum.

4877
04:02:42,517 --> 04:02:44,652
Is there are there other counties.

4878
04:02:44,652 --> 04:02:46,757
I know the city of Charlottesville,

4879
04:02:46,757 --> 04:02:50,290
they have I don't know how many waste haulers does

4880
04:02:50,290 --> 04:02:52,113
anyone know how many waste haulers they have,

4881
04:02:52,113 --> 04:02:53,503
But they pick up everything.

4882
04:02:53,503 --> 04:02:56,457
So they're able and I think they have recycling is that correct?

4883
04:02:56,457 --> 04:02:56,957
They do.

4884
04:02:56,957 --> 04:02:58,937
So they have a system there.

4885
04:02:58,937 --> 04:03:02,567
What prevents us from doing something similar

4886
04:03:02,567 --> 04:03:06,587
in the urban ring or at least in certain neighborhoods

4887
04:03:06,587 --> 04:03:09,647
I think that would be a question for your local staff

4888
04:03:09,647 --> 04:03:10,457
to determine.

4889
04:03:10,457 --> 04:03:13,187
But I don't think there's anything really prohibiting

4890
04:03:13,187 --> 04:03:14,687
that money.

4891
04:03:14,687 --> 04:03:17,585
Yeah, it's that all need to stand up.

4892
04:03:17,585 --> 04:03:19,127
The public works department, the rest

4893
04:03:19,127 --> 04:03:21,427
of the way to do that because we don't have it.

4894
04:03:21,427 --> 04:03:21,927
Yeah.

4895
04:03:21,927 --> 04:03:26,417
Well, I mean i just because I've been a member of this committee

4896
04:03:26,417 --> 04:03:27,263
and everything.

4897
04:03:27,263 --> 04:03:29,518
And that's just I know the haulers.

4898
04:03:29,518 --> 04:03:31,526
We're asking them information, but I

4899
04:03:31,526 --> 04:03:34,110
understand that they don't have to give it.

4900
04:03:34,110 --> 04:03:39,227
OK So there's no teeth there that we have a 25%

4901
04:03:39,227 --> 04:03:41,537
minimum recycle link, right?

4902
04:03:41,537 --> 04:03:45,257
So that's not anything to brag about.

4903
04:03:45,257 --> 04:03:46,877
So states requirement pardon.

4904
04:03:46,877 --> 04:03:49,652
That's the state's requirement We didn't set that in place.

4905
04:03:49,652 --> 04:03:50,152
OK.

4906
04:03:50,152 --> 04:03:51,668
So the state has a low requirement.

4907
04:03:51,668 --> 04:03:52,983
Yes OK.

4908
04:03:52,983 --> 04:03:54,500
It's 15%.

4909
04:03:54,500 --> 04:03:55,116
It's 15%.

4910
04:03:55,116 --> 04:03:57,335
And even more rural areas.

4911
04:03:57,335 --> 04:04:01,217
So we're actually doing better than the state's 15%

4912
04:04:01,217 --> 04:04:01,727
requirement.

4913
04:04:01,727 --> 04:04:02,537
Okay.

4914
04:04:02,537 --> 04:04:07,337
And the public feedback in Albemarle was 97 responses.

4915
04:04:07,847 --> 04:04:11,870
Yeah In our community survey it was an online survey

4916
04:04:11,870 --> 04:04:12,267
open for two months.

4917
04:04:12,267 --> 04:04:12,767
Right.

4918
04:04:12,767 --> 04:04:14,767
I remember Yeah.

4919
04:04:15,657 --> 04:04:16,157
Okay.

4920
04:04:16,157 --> 04:04:20,327
I, I mean, you've done a great job of summarizing everything

4921
04:04:20,327 --> 04:04:21,857
and i appreciate that.

4922
04:04:21,857 --> 04:04:27,557
I guess I would like to see maybe a more robust

4923
04:04:27,557 --> 04:04:29,336
how can we recycle more?

4924
04:04:29,336 --> 04:04:33,640
Because that's better for the environment, the climate,

4925
04:04:33,640 --> 04:04:36,947
everything What can we do to actually start doing that?

4926
04:04:36,947 --> 04:04:40,240
And and I know you say money, but I mean, this.

4927
04:04:40,240 --> 04:04:40,879
I said money.

4928
04:04:40,879 --> 04:04:41,660
You said money.

4929
04:04:41,660 --> 04:04:42,160
Yeah.

4930
04:04:42,160 --> 04:04:43,997
So I has a plan.

4931
04:04:43,997 --> 04:04:44,987
It's back as a plan.

4932
04:04:44,987 --> 04:04:46,337
We can certainly do that.

4933
04:04:46,337 --> 04:04:47,507
That's not hers over here.

4934
04:04:47,507 --> 04:04:47,747
Right.

4935
04:04:47,747 --> 04:04:48,747
She doesn't work for us.

4936
04:04:48,747 --> 04:04:51,867
It's helpful to remember I realized that right here's

4937
04:04:51,867 --> 04:04:52,367
the guy.

4938
04:04:52,367 --> 04:04:55,817
But it's like it's great to be able to have something

4939
04:04:55,817 --> 04:05:00,137
more concrete that we're doing more at least toward recycling.

4940
04:05:00,137 --> 04:05:02,747
And I know compost thing, you know my issue on that.

4941
04:05:02,747 --> 04:05:06,167
But I mean, you know do little steps first

4942
04:05:06,167 --> 04:05:08,387
where we get people recycling and they're

4943
04:05:08,387 --> 04:05:12,227
in a mindset of recycling except for all the good people that

4944
04:05:12,227 --> 04:05:13,877
go to the convenience centers and they

4945
04:05:13,877 --> 04:05:17,967
recycle everyone else just throws it all in one bunch.

4946
04:05:17,967 --> 04:05:18,467
Sorry.

4947
04:05:18,467 --> 04:05:20,117
Gotcha.

4948
04:05:20,117 --> 04:05:22,397
Good afternoon Jeffrey Dumas, director of Facilities

4949
04:05:22,397 --> 04:05:24,770
Environmental services.

4950
04:05:24,770 --> 04:05:27,527
I'm very excited to talk about our initiative

4951
04:05:27,527 --> 04:05:32,327
to hire Matrix, the consulting firm that complete

4952
04:05:32,597 --> 04:05:34,337
our organization assessment.

4953
04:05:34,337 --> 04:05:38,447
They will be assisting us with evaluating our permitting system

4954
04:05:38,447 --> 04:05:42,647
and our the potential for enhancing services

4955
04:05:43,953 --> 04:05:46,134
in the urban areas.

4956
04:05:46,134 --> 04:05:50,147
We intend to come back to executive leadership

4957
04:05:50,147 --> 04:05:56,147
and provide the options and menu of options for fee

4958
04:05:56,177 --> 04:06:01,247
based service or enhanced services in the very near future

4959
04:06:01,247 --> 04:06:02,567
is a part of our department.

4960
04:06:02,567 --> 04:06:07,427
All our FY 27 plan and to fulfill the strategic plan

4961
04:06:07,427 --> 04:06:10,667
goal of analyzing an enhanced public

4962
04:06:10,667 --> 04:06:13,970
works function for the county.

4963
04:06:13,970 --> 04:06:14,217
Good Glad to hear that.

4964
04:06:14,217 --> 04:06:14,717
Thank you.

4965
04:06:14,717 --> 04:06:15,737
Know, the questions.

4966
04:06:15,737 --> 04:06:19,753
I'll get I should have asked this question when

4967
04:06:19,753 --> 04:06:20,905
we had it the first pass.

4968
04:06:20,905 --> 04:06:22,697
And I didn't because I thought I missed it.

4969
04:06:22,697 --> 04:06:25,937
But what are the dollars I my general

4970
04:06:25,937 --> 04:06:28,937
take on the chart the regional implementation plan with the

4971
04:06:28,937 --> 04:06:31,337
got the dollar signs on the far right was the more dollar

4972
04:06:31,337 --> 04:06:32,837
signs, the more expensive.

4973
04:06:32,837 --> 04:06:36,470
But then when I actually read through it some of the $2 signs

4974
04:06:36,470 --> 04:06:38,177
were as low as $3,000.

4975
04:06:38,177 --> 04:06:43,997
So what's the key for a dollar sign equates to under $3,000.

4976
04:06:43,997 --> 04:06:47,807
There is a key and the key I've been looking for the key.

4977
04:06:47,807 --> 04:06:48,677
I apologize.

4978
04:06:48,677 --> 04:06:50,657
I might need to duplicate it because we

4979
04:06:50,657 --> 04:06:54,887
have a section in the actual draft plan that describes

4980
04:06:54,887 --> 04:06:57,437
that the implementation plan is in the appendices

4981
04:06:57,437 --> 04:06:58,997
and has the key.

4982
04:06:58,997 --> 04:07:01,877
But I think the actual implementation plan might not

4983
04:07:01,877 --> 04:07:02,627
have the key.

4984
04:07:02,627 --> 04:07:04,817
So that's it We put it in the appendices

4985
04:07:04,817 --> 04:07:07,907
because I was looking through there going, maybe it's in there

4986
04:07:07,907 --> 04:07:10,487
and the only reason I ask is because it confused me

4987
04:07:10,487 --> 04:07:12,782
with some about the Morales dollar signs

4988
04:07:12,782 --> 04:07:13,907
when you just look at them.

4989
04:07:13,907 --> 04:07:15,887
There were a couple that went from 1 to 3

4990
04:07:15,887 --> 04:07:18,709
and I'm like, Why is that Tripled the cost.

4991
04:07:18,709 --> 04:07:21,167
But I didn't know the reference of the cost So if you could

4992
04:07:21,167 --> 04:07:22,727
just I can send that along.

4993
04:07:22,727 --> 04:07:24,917
I can't remember it off the top of my head

4994
04:07:24,917 --> 04:07:26,897
and I'll be the this one dollars sign.

4995
04:07:26,897 --> 04:07:28,397
Yeah, I can clarify it then as well.

4996
04:07:28,397 --> 04:07:31,325
Might just be staff time and resources.

4997
04:07:31,325 --> 04:07:33,363
And then I'll clarify tomorrow.

4998
04:07:33,363 --> 04:07:36,467
And like I said, if it's, if it's embedded in the plan,

4999
04:07:36,467 --> 04:07:39,470
I just I haven't been able to find it

5000
04:07:39,470 --> 04:07:43,517
And one note as well is i got some additional feedback

5001
04:07:43,517 --> 04:07:46,833
from Monroe County staff and the link that was sent to you

5002
04:07:46,833 --> 04:07:49,207
all or the draft plan that's included in your packet,

5003
04:07:49,207 --> 04:07:50,717
I believe, is the previous version

5004
04:07:50,717 --> 04:07:52,547
since I had to share materials.

5005
04:07:52,547 --> 04:07:53,507
A few weeks in advance.

5006
04:07:53,507 --> 04:07:57,347
So if you go to our website link right here,

5007
04:07:57,347 --> 04:07:59,147
there's just a few changes that were made.

5008
04:07:59,147 --> 04:08:02,876
A substantial But can you just sentence.

5009
04:08:02,876 --> 04:08:05,570
All right, got us all updated.

5010
04:08:05,570 --> 04:08:05,655
Right.

5011
04:08:05,655 --> 04:08:08,397
Perfect Well, thank you very much.

5012
04:08:08,397 --> 04:08:08,897
Thank you.

5013
04:08:08,897 --> 04:08:10,700
All right.

5014
04:08:10,700 --> 04:08:13,217
Bored we are need to go into closed meeting.

5015
04:08:13,217 --> 04:08:17,267
Is there a motion to take us in I move that the board

5016
04:08:17,267 --> 04:08:19,517
of supervisors can be in a closed meeting pursuant

5017
04:08:19,517 --> 04:08:24,893
to section 2.2-37118 of the Code of Virginia under subsection 1

5018
04:08:24,893 --> 04:08:27,389
To discuss and consider appointments to various boards

5019
04:08:27,389 --> 04:08:29,902
and commissions, including without limitation.

5020
04:08:29,902 --> 04:08:32,270
The First Neighborhood Community Advisory Committee

5021
04:08:32,270 --> 04:08:34,817
the Blue Ridge community, for showing Dot regulations.

5022
04:08:34,817 --> 04:08:36,827
The Crozet Community Advisory committee,

5023
04:08:36,827 --> 04:08:39,189
the Fire Prevention Code Appeals Board, the joint words,

5024
04:08:39,189 --> 04:08:42,170
the local board of building code appeals for Places 29

5025
04:08:42,170 --> 04:08:44,177
North Community Advisory Committee and the 20

5026
04:08:44,177 --> 04:08:47,867
and the Places 29 Row Community Advisory Committee.

5027
04:08:47,867 --> 04:08:50,987
And under Subsection 3 2 discuss and consider

5028
04:08:50,987 --> 04:08:53,477
the disposition of publicly held real property

5029
04:08:53,477 --> 04:08:56,147
and the right in a magisterial district where discussion

5030
04:08:56,147 --> 04:08:59,357
and open meeting would adversely affect the bargaining position

5031
04:08:59,357 --> 04:09:02,352
or negotiating strategy of the county in the board.

5032
04:09:02,352 --> 04:09:03,209
So second.

5033
04:09:03,209 --> 04:09:04,810
All right.

5034
04:09:04,810 --> 04:09:04,663
OK.

5035
04:09:04,663 --> 04:09:07,187
If there's no objection, if the clerk will please call

5036
04:09:07,187 --> 04:09:08,419
the roll is up.

5037
04:09:08,419 --> 04:09:10,607
So currently I miss Mallet Yes.

5038
04:09:10,607 --> 04:09:12,587
Mr. Missal Yes, Mr. Pruitt.

5039
04:09:12,587 --> 04:09:14,207
I miss Duncan Yes.

5040
04:09:14,207 --> 04:09:14,867
Mr. Galloway.

5041
04:09:14,867 --> 04:09:15,887
Yes.

5042
04:09:15,887 --> 04:09:17,887
All right good.

5043
05:07:41,970 --> 05:07:41,597
All right.

5044
05:07:41,597 --> 05:07:42,555
Good evening, everyone.

5045
05:07:42,555 --> 05:07:45,770
We are coming back from our closed meeting.

5046
05:07:45,770 --> 05:07:49,970
Do we have a motion to certify the closed meeting I move

5047
05:07:49,970 --> 05:07:51,857
that the board of Supervisors reconvene in an open meeting

5048
05:07:51,857 --> 05:07:54,317
and certify by a recorded vote that the best

5049
05:07:54,317 --> 05:07:57,347
of each supervisors knowledge only public business

5050
05:07:57,347 --> 05:07:59,687
matters lawfully exempted from the open meeting

5051
05:07:59,687 --> 05:08:02,807
requirements of Virginia freedom of Information Act

5052
05:08:02,807 --> 05:08:05,807
and identified in the motion authorizing the closed meeting

5053
05:08:05,807 --> 05:08:07,937
were heard, discussed or considered in the closed

5054
05:08:07,937 --> 05:08:08,537
meeting.

5055
05:08:08,537 --> 05:08:09,267
Second.

5056
05:08:09,267 --> 05:08:11,267
All right, the motion has been made and seconded

5057
05:08:11,267 --> 05:08:13,267
without objection, if the clerk will please call

5058
05:08:13,267 --> 05:08:14,387
the roll is lucky.

5059
05:08:14,387 --> 05:08:16,307
Secretly, I miss Malik.

5060
05:08:16,307 --> 05:08:17,537
Yes, Mr. Missal.

5061
05:08:17,537 --> 05:08:18,664
All right, Mr. Pruitt.

5062
05:08:18,664 --> 05:08:19,164
All right.

5063
05:08:19,164 --> 05:08:19,937
Mr. Anquan.

5064
05:08:19,937 --> 05:08:21,167
Yes, Mr. Galloway.

5065
05:08:21,167 --> 05:08:21,777
Yes.

5066
05:08:21,777 --> 05:08:22,277
All right.

5067
05:08:22,277 --> 05:08:24,227
Are there motions coming out of closed meeting?

5068
05:08:24,227 --> 05:08:24,587
Yes.

5069
05:08:24,587 --> 05:08:24,917
Thank you.

5070
05:08:24,917 --> 05:08:26,717
Two motions coming out of closed meeting.

5071
05:08:26,717 --> 05:08:31,370
First is I moved to appoint the following to boards

5072
05:08:31,370 --> 05:08:34,370
and commissions for Fifth and Avon Community Advisory

5073
05:08:34,370 --> 05:08:34,847
Committee.

5074
05:08:34,847 --> 05:08:37,247
Amanda Brookman Rob Fiola.

5075
05:08:38,207 --> 05:08:43,437
I don't i of how I did on that.

5076
05:08:43,437 --> 05:08:44,622
Mr. Pruitt.

5077
05:08:44,622 --> 05:08:46,597
Nathan Holland Blue Ridge Committee

5078
05:08:46,597 --> 05:08:48,317
for Shenandoah park Relations.

5079
05:08:48,317 --> 05:08:51,497
Lonnie Murray Crochet Community Advisory committee.

5080
05:08:51,497 --> 05:08:54,827
Christopher are a solid John Knight and Jay

5081
05:08:54,827 --> 05:08:57,347
Pence The Fire Prevention Code Appeals

5082
05:08:57,347 --> 05:09:01,370
Board slash local board of building code Appeals John

5083
05:09:01,370 --> 05:09:06,437
eggleston, Doug Low and Wayne via john Board, Christy

5084
05:09:06,677 --> 05:09:11,387
Hagen and Jacob Sumner Local Board of Building Code Appeals

5085
05:09:11,387 --> 05:09:14,237
last fire prevention code Appeals Board.

5086
05:09:14,237 --> 05:09:18,857
John eggleston, Doug Lowe and Duane via places 29 North

5087
05:09:18,857 --> 05:09:20,207
Community Advisory Committee.

5088
05:09:20,207 --> 05:09:24,407
Adam Yost places 29 Ryan Community Advisory committee.

5089
05:09:25,187 --> 05:09:27,587
Audrey Kuchar, Brian mcMillan.

5090
05:09:28,667 --> 05:09:32,837
Judith Schlissel and Secretary of the Fire Prevention Code

5091
05:09:32,837 --> 05:09:36,857
Appeals Board and Local Code Building Code Appeals.

5092
05:09:36,857 --> 05:09:38,857
Danielle sumners, Second.

5093
05:09:39,735 --> 05:09:41,777
All right, the motion has been made and seconded.

5094
05:09:41,777 --> 05:09:43,874
Without objection if the clerk will please

5095
05:09:43,874 --> 05:09:45,209
call the roll missile piece.

5096
05:09:45,209 --> 05:09:45,709
OK.

5097
05:09:45,709 --> 05:09:49,700
I miss Malik Yes, Mr. Missal, I. Mr. Pruitt.

5098
05:09:49,700 --> 05:09:50,127
I miss Duncan.

5099
05:09:50,127 --> 05:09:50,627
Yes.

5100
05:09:50,627 --> 05:09:51,407
Mr. Galloway.

5101
05:09:51,407 --> 05:09:53,357
Yes All right.

5102
05:09:53,357 --> 05:09:56,447
Second motion is I move i resolution.

5103
05:09:56,447 --> 05:09:59,627
I move to adopt the resolution authorizing execution of a gift

5104
05:09:59,627 --> 05:10:02,178
proffer letter to the united States Army for drive

5105
05:10:02,178 --> 05:10:04,178
into station second.

5106
05:10:04,577 --> 05:10:06,824
All right With a motion has been made and seconded,

5107
05:10:06,824 --> 05:10:08,657
without objection that the clerk will please

5108
05:10:08,657 --> 05:10:10,415
call the roll missile stoker.

5109
05:10:10,415 --> 05:10:10,967
Lie.

5110
05:10:10,967 --> 05:10:11,627
Miss Mallett?

5111
05:10:11,627 --> 05:10:12,827
Yes, Mr. Missal.

5112
05:10:12,827 --> 05:10:13,997
All right, Mr. Pruitt.

5113
05:10:13,997 --> 05:10:14,659
All right Ms..

5114
05:10:14,659 --> 05:10:15,467
Duncan.

5115
05:10:15,467 --> 05:10:16,937
Yes, Mr. Galloway.

5116
05:10:16,937 --> 05:10:17,957
Yes.

5117
05:10:17,957 --> 05:10:19,187
That motion carries.

5118
05:10:19,187 --> 05:10:22,984
Thank you And the next item, then we

5119
05:10:22,984 --> 05:10:26,207
will start number 17 from the county executive report

5120
05:10:26,207 --> 05:10:28,877
on matters not listed on the agenda

5121
05:10:28,877 --> 05:10:30,437
And I know we have an item here.

5122
05:10:30,437 --> 05:10:31,967
And are you listening?

5123
05:10:31,967 --> 05:10:36,204
I will speak very briefly just and advise the board

5124
05:10:36,204 --> 05:10:38,537
that county attorney Andy Herrick will provide the board

5125
05:10:38,537 --> 05:10:41,815
with some information regarding referendum communications

5126
05:10:41,815 --> 05:10:44,148
And with that, I'll turn it over to the county attorney.

5127
05:10:44,148 --> 05:10:46,670
Thank you.

5128
05:10:46,670 --> 05:10:49,670
Thank you Evening, Mr. Chair.

5129
05:10:51,942 --> 05:10:52,817
Members of the board.

5130
05:10:52,817 --> 05:10:53,447
Andy Herrick.

5131
05:10:53,447 --> 05:10:54,827
I'm the county attorney, and I've

5132
05:10:54,827 --> 05:10:57,682
been asked to speak to you this evening about the referendum

5133
05:10:57,682 --> 05:11:01,517
communications in advance of the sales tax referendum

5134
05:11:01,517 --> 05:11:03,677
that will be on the ballot this fall.

5135
05:11:03,677 --> 05:11:06,557
As you're aware, the board authorized

5136
05:11:06,557 --> 05:11:09,701
and our office filed a petition with this local circuit court

5137
05:11:09,701 --> 05:11:14,747
earlier this summer authorizing the issue of a $0.01 sales

5138
05:11:14,747 --> 05:11:18,347
tax to be put on the ballot this fall.

5139
05:11:18,347 --> 05:11:21,287
There's a Virginia code section, section 24.2,

5140
05:11:21,287 --> 05:11:25,247
dash 687 that allows a number of communication to take place

5141
05:11:25,247 --> 05:11:28,157
that are authorized by the board I've

5142
05:11:28,157 --> 05:11:31,700
put some of the highlights of that up there.

5143
05:11:31,700 --> 05:11:33,315
It allows an explanation of a referendum that

5144
05:11:33,315 --> 05:11:35,357
would include the ballot question and a statement

5145
05:11:35,357 --> 05:11:38,526
describing the referendum It has to be

5146
05:11:38,526 --> 05:11:40,610
a neutral, factual explanation.

5147
05:11:40,610 --> 05:11:42,107
And it must remain unbiased in plain English

5148
05:11:42,107 --> 05:11:44,207
with a maximum of 500 words.

5149
05:11:44,207 --> 05:11:48,137
It may not advocate for or against referendum passage.

5150
05:11:48,137 --> 05:11:49,877
It may be distributed at polling places

5151
05:11:49,877 --> 05:11:52,127
on the day of the election and it also

5152
05:11:52,127 --> 05:11:53,957
may be published in newspaper proceeding.

5153
05:11:53,957 --> 05:11:58,757
The referendum I have prepared that proposed explanation.

5154
05:11:58,817 --> 05:12:00,790
I've distributed to your seats.

5155
05:12:00,790 --> 05:12:04,459
There are also copies available for the public at the sign up

5156
05:12:04,459 --> 05:12:06,677
table and the code also does provide

5157
05:12:06,677 --> 05:12:08,177
that if the board authorize it, it's

5158
05:12:08,177 --> 05:12:11,357
the local government attorney that prepares that explanation.

5159
05:12:11,357 --> 05:12:13,367
And so I have done so and attempted

5160
05:12:13,367 --> 05:12:17,564
to make it again to fit all of all of the restrictions

5161
05:12:17,564 --> 05:12:18,317
that it's under.

5162
05:12:18,317 --> 05:12:20,317
500 words factual.

5163
05:12:20,357 --> 05:12:22,937
It does have the question that will appear on the ballot

5164
05:12:22,937 --> 05:12:25,877
as well So it attempts to provide a neutral summary

5165
05:12:25,877 --> 05:12:26,717
of the referendum.

5166
05:12:26,717 --> 05:12:29,267
It outlines the purpose of the tax, its limitation

5167
05:12:29,267 --> 05:12:32,477
and duration, and it describes the allowable uses of revenue

5168
05:12:32,477 --> 05:12:34,877
for school capital projects.

5169
05:12:36,257 --> 05:12:39,617
That same code section also allows

5170
05:12:39,617 --> 05:12:43,187
for other neutral explanations to be distributed

5171
05:12:43,187 --> 05:12:44,687
by the local government.

5172
05:12:44,687 --> 05:12:47,267
So the county is authorized to provide neutral,

5173
05:12:47,267 --> 05:12:50,687
factual referendum information outside of the official

5174
05:12:50,687 --> 05:12:53,477
explanation that appears on the ballot or excuse me,

5175
05:12:53,477 --> 05:12:58,289
that appears at the polling places So the county can provide

5176
05:12:58,289 --> 05:13:00,507
objective information, facts, amounts,

5177
05:13:00,507 --> 05:13:04,427
uses of proceeds and so forth, but it cannot run a vote yes

5178
05:13:04,427 --> 05:13:08,567
campaign using public dollars, individual members of the board

5179
05:13:08,567 --> 05:13:11,387
and their own personal capacities may also advocate

5180
05:13:11,387 --> 05:13:14,158
for or against a referendum But again,

5181
05:13:14,158 --> 05:13:16,478
that has to be in your personal capacity.

5182
05:13:16,478 --> 05:13:18,797
It is Virginia law does not prohibit elected officials

5183
05:13:18,797 --> 05:13:22,670
from expressing their personal views on a ballot question.

5184
05:13:22,670 --> 05:13:25,370
However several important legal limits apply.

5185
05:13:25,370 --> 05:13:29,117
Board members may not use county funds staff time county email

5186
05:13:29,117 --> 05:13:32,477
accounts, County Facil ities or any other public resources

5187
05:13:32,477 --> 05:13:36,122
as to promote or oppose the referenda on any advocacy

5188
05:13:36,122 --> 05:13:37,997
should make clear that the member is speaking

5189
05:13:37,997 --> 05:13:40,847
in an individual capacity, not on behalf of the Board

5190
05:13:40,847 --> 05:13:43,337
or on behalf of county government.

5191
05:13:43,337 --> 05:13:45,857
Again, as I've indicated, staff may provide neutral,

5192
05:13:45,857 --> 05:13:48,197
factual information about the referendum,

5193
05:13:48,197 --> 05:13:52,637
but cannot assist in preparing advocacy materials or messaging.

5194
05:13:52,637 --> 05:13:54,437
If a member engages in activities

5195
05:13:54,437 --> 05:13:58,157
that meets the definition of express advocacy campaign

5196
05:13:58,157 --> 05:14:01,495
finance rules may apply, including reporting requirements

5197
05:14:01,495 --> 05:14:05,870
for referendum committees So in some personal advocacy

5198
05:14:05,870 --> 05:14:05,627
is allowed.

5199
05:14:05,627 --> 05:14:09,170
But official advocacy using county platforms or resources

5200
05:14:09,170 --> 05:14:11,170
is not.

5201
05:14:11,570 --> 05:14:13,700
So the neutral, factual communications

5202
05:14:13,700 --> 05:14:14,597
through county channels is permitted

5203
05:14:14,597 --> 05:14:19,337
and will be managed by staff consistent with state law.

5204
05:14:19,337 --> 05:14:24,257
So we've done our Cape office led by Abby Stump,

5205
05:14:24,257 --> 05:14:27,407
has prepared a county communications campaign again

5206
05:14:27,407 --> 05:14:30,797
along the lines of neutral factual information will launch

5207
05:14:30,797 --> 05:14:33,737
that or we plan to launch that public awareness campaign

5208
05:14:33,737 --> 05:14:36,227
on September 4th with these principles that

5209
05:14:36,227 --> 05:14:38,927
the communications will remain factual and neutral,

5210
05:14:38,927 --> 05:14:41,447
that the information will explain what the referendum is,

5211
05:14:41,447 --> 05:14:44,897
how it works and when and where residents can vote.

5212
05:14:44,897 --> 05:14:47,507
Again, the county will not encourage a yes or no vote

5213
05:14:47,507 --> 05:14:50,110
because we're prohibited by law from doing so.

5214
05:14:50,110 --> 05:14:52,277
The local government and schools, it's worth noting,

5215
05:14:52,277 --> 05:14:55,970
will conduct separate coordinated campaigns

5216
05:14:55,970 --> 05:14:56,597
The code section that I just cited

5217
05:14:56,597 --> 05:15:00,197
to 24 section 24.2, dash 687 restricts local governing

5218
05:15:01,247 --> 05:15:01,914
bodies.

5219
05:15:01,914 --> 05:15:04,247
But the school board is not under the same restrictions.

5220
05:15:04,247 --> 05:15:07,397
So there's a slightly different set of rules.

5221
05:15:07,397 --> 05:15:08,971
As a result, the counties communicate

5222
05:15:08,971 --> 05:15:11,177
options may differ somewhat from the schools,

5223
05:15:11,177 --> 05:15:13,487
including the possible naming of school projects

5224
05:15:13,487 --> 05:15:16,277
by the schools themselves if they so choose.

5225
05:15:16,277 --> 05:15:19,487
While the county focus on the types of projects,

5226
05:15:19,487 --> 05:15:22,370
while the county will focus on the types of projects

5227
05:15:22,370 --> 05:15:23,987
that the tax might fund the schools

5228
05:15:23,987 --> 05:15:25,427
might name specific projects.

5229
05:15:25,427 --> 05:15:27,557
Again, we don't control that and they are not

5230
05:15:27,557 --> 05:15:30,770
limited by the code section that I cited.

5231
05:15:30,770 --> 05:15:31,577
And again, this difference is rooted

5232
05:15:31,577 --> 05:15:32,994
in the different legal regulations

5233
05:15:32,994 --> 05:15:34,877
for the two entities.

5234
05:15:34,877 --> 05:15:36,716
So with that those are my prepared remarks.

5235
05:15:36,716 --> 05:15:39,108
I'm happy to answer any questions you might have missed.

5236
05:15:39,108 --> 05:15:41,816
Not from our Cape office is here and might also be able to answer

5237
05:15:41,816 --> 05:15:44,447
questions regarding the communications effort.

5238
05:15:44,447 --> 05:15:46,690
Thank you, Andy And I would encourage the board

5239
05:15:46,690 --> 05:15:49,630
to ask as many questions as you need to on this one.

5240
05:15:49,630 --> 05:15:52,547
So that we understand the letter and not

5241
05:15:52,547 --> 05:15:55,638
just the spirit of the law, but the actual letter of the law.

5242
05:15:55,638 --> 05:15:59,870
So Supervisor malik, you're a first.

5243
05:15:59,870 --> 05:16:01,727
I think I understand the spirit and the intent

5244
05:16:01,727 --> 05:16:03,677
and we'll tread very carefully.

5245
05:16:03,677 --> 05:16:04,427
Thank you.

5246
05:16:04,427 --> 05:16:06,892
Supervisor Duncan yeah, I would be

5247
05:16:06,892 --> 05:16:08,267
really interested in hearing more

5248
05:16:08,267 --> 05:16:11,188
about what the plans are for the community

5249
05:16:11,188 --> 05:16:12,602
engagement and education.

5250
05:16:12,602 --> 05:16:13,727
And I guess I defer to Ms..

5251
05:16:13,727 --> 05:16:16,127
Stump to address that.

5252
05:16:18,399 --> 05:16:20,147
Oh, he's so much taller than me.

5253
05:16:20,147 --> 05:16:21,917
Abby Stone, director of communications

5254
05:16:21,917 --> 05:16:24,257
and public Engagement We're really

5255
05:16:24,257 --> 05:16:28,457
focusing on a broad education based campaign,

5256
05:16:29,248 --> 05:16:32,608
and it'll include a web platform form our web page.

5257
05:16:32,608 --> 05:16:34,546
And that's really going to be the source

5258
05:16:34,546 --> 05:16:35,999
of all of this information.

5259
05:16:35,999 --> 05:16:38,687
So people can find it, particularly all those Google

5260
05:16:38,687 --> 05:16:39,227
searches.

5261
05:16:39,227 --> 05:16:40,877
We have the rate language that'll

5262
05:16:40,877 --> 05:16:44,567
pop up to answer questions and people are looking for.

5263
05:16:44,567 --> 05:16:49,970
It'll have a to launch it'll have an initial one pager fact

5264
05:16:49,970 --> 05:16:52,157
sheet that people can download and then share as they need.

5265
05:16:52,157 --> 05:16:57,977
It will also be working on a mailer out to all residences

5266
05:16:57,977 --> 05:17:00,797
in the county that will drive traffic back to their website.

5267
05:17:00,797 --> 05:17:03,437
And then there's a whole bunch of cash, a whole bunch probably

5268
05:17:03,437 --> 05:17:06,790
about 10 to 12, I think that we know

5269
05:17:06,790 --> 05:17:08,207
that people are going to be asking

5270
05:17:08,207 --> 05:17:09,999
and we're just going to keep adding to that

5271
05:17:09,999 --> 05:17:13,525
as we hear more and more Have you.

5272
05:17:13,525 --> 05:17:16,127
So I know that the city has already started

5273
05:17:16,127 --> 05:17:17,867
running ads on the radio.

5274
05:17:17,867 --> 05:17:21,770
That's sort of a, you know, educational thing

5275
05:17:21,770 --> 05:17:24,677
Have we thought about doing any sort of like video

5276
05:17:24,677 --> 05:17:28,970
ads, social media ads, radio ads and anything like that?

5277
05:17:28,970 --> 05:17:31,847
So we have social media and in our in our plan right

5278
05:17:31,847 --> 05:17:34,665
now, we're going to start with organic social media

5279
05:17:34,665 --> 05:17:36,707
a first, because I know that a lot of the sharing

5280
05:17:36,707 --> 05:17:39,707
for the first couple of weeks is going to going to hit everything

5281
05:17:39,707 --> 05:17:42,379
and people are going to be just using that as their platform

5282
05:17:42,379 --> 05:17:43,457
for moving.

5283
05:17:43,457 --> 05:17:46,700
But we're going to be looking weekly to figure out,

5284
05:17:46,700 --> 05:17:48,257
are we getting the information out of the places

5285
05:17:48,257 --> 05:17:50,570
that we need to?

5286
05:17:50,570 --> 05:17:52,275
So you have radio ads and newspaper ads

5287
05:17:52,275 --> 05:17:54,317
and some other places are going to be on our list

5288
05:17:54,317 --> 05:17:57,617
that we can easily tap into if we need to That's all I have.

5289
05:17:57,617 --> 05:17:58,607
Yeah.

5290
05:17:58,607 --> 05:18:02,927
Supervisor Pruitt, I actually have nothing to add on this

5291
05:18:02,927 --> 05:18:04,887
or ask Supervisor Bissell.

5292
05:18:04,887 --> 05:18:05,387
Thank you.

5293
05:18:05,387 --> 05:18:07,975
No questions, Supervisor or Mr. Kirby.

5294
05:18:07,975 --> 05:18:09,227
No questions Thank you.

5295
05:18:09,227 --> 05:18:13,470
All right, I got some questions I open up

5296
05:18:13,470 --> 05:18:16,117
my inbox, a constitu or an emails me and says,

5297
05:18:16,117 --> 05:18:18,513
Supervisor galloway, do you support the referendum?

5298
05:18:18,513 --> 05:18:20,687
Am I allowed to answer that question

5299
05:18:20,687 --> 05:18:23,460
If I want to answer yes or no, is that

5300
05:18:23,460 --> 05:18:24,347
the correct or not correct?

5301
05:18:24,347 --> 05:18:27,170
You have the ability to answer that question,

5302
05:18:27,170 --> 05:18:29,597
but you cannot use county resources to advocate.

5303
05:18:29,597 --> 05:18:32,160
So it might be if you wanted to perfectly comply

5304
05:18:32,160 --> 05:18:33,743
with the letter of law, it may be best

5305
05:18:33,743 --> 05:18:35,535
to respond to that with your personal email

5306
05:18:35,535 --> 05:18:37,547
rather than a county based email.

5307
05:18:37,547 --> 05:18:41,717
But if I respond to that email and say yes or no then I'm not.

5308
05:18:41,717 --> 05:18:44,117
I could be in violation technically

5309
05:18:44,117 --> 05:18:45,802
because you'd be using county resources.

5310
05:18:45,802 --> 05:18:48,802
And again, it would be very important for you to clarify,

5311
05:18:48,802 --> 05:18:50,767
I'm speaking on my on the more important thing

5312
05:18:50,767 --> 05:18:53,267
is that you clarify that you're speaking on your own behalf,

5313
05:18:53,267 --> 05:18:56,270
not on behalf of the board or the county All right.

5314
05:18:56,270 --> 05:19:00,170
I'm asked to come speak to some constituent group in the county.

5315
05:19:00,170 --> 05:19:02,387
We'd like to have you here to help answer questions that

5316
05:19:02,387 --> 05:19:03,317
cetera, etc..

5317
05:19:03,317 --> 05:19:06,670
And they're trying to figure out where they're at on this

5318
05:19:06,670 --> 05:19:08,377
Is in that situation.

5319
05:19:08,377 --> 05:19:10,457
And I know I'm free to speak as I want,

5320
05:19:10,457 --> 05:19:13,907
but i have to just state that I'm here as the citizen,

5321
05:19:13,907 --> 05:19:15,177
not the chair of the board.

5322
05:19:15,177 --> 05:19:15,677
Yes, sir.

5323
05:19:15,677 --> 05:19:17,477
And that you're speaking on your own person

5324
05:19:17,477 --> 05:19:19,269
of your own personal opinion and again, not

5325
05:19:19,269 --> 05:19:22,397
on behalf of the board or the county.

5326
05:19:22,397 --> 05:19:26,327
I think that sums up exactly what we have to be mindful of

5327
05:19:26,327 --> 05:19:31,127
and careful of Yes, just want to know.

5328
05:19:31,130 --> 05:19:35,267
We usually have two phones, so if we get a call on our work

5329
05:19:35,267 --> 05:19:37,787
phone then we can't answer it.

5330
05:19:37,787 --> 05:19:38,597
Best to return it.

5331
05:19:38,597 --> 05:19:41,807
On not using county resources, county email, county phones,

5332
05:19:41,807 --> 05:19:44,717
best to return any sort of inquiries

5333
05:19:44,717 --> 05:19:46,900
on your own personal devices.

5334
05:19:46,900 --> 05:19:46,848
Thank you.

5335
05:19:46,848 --> 05:19:47,687
Yeah.

5336
05:19:47,687 --> 05:19:52,397
So just I guess we're just clarifying again

5337
05:19:52,397 --> 05:19:56,237
to be very clear, so we can like go on social media and say,

5338
05:19:56,237 --> 05:19:57,737
this is my opinion on this.

5339
05:19:57,737 --> 05:20:00,220
Yes, ma'am I would advise you, though,

5340
05:20:00,220 --> 05:20:02,975
to, again, just disclaimer this is my personal.

5341
05:20:02,975 --> 05:20:03,475
Exactly.

5342
05:20:03,475 --> 05:20:05,539
As a voter and parent Exactly.

5343
05:20:05,539 --> 05:20:07,700
Yes, ma'am.

5344
05:20:07,700 --> 05:20:09,617
In the great wisdom of the you know, the code of Virginia,

5345
05:20:09,617 --> 05:20:14,417
we've done nothing but advocate for this up until this point

5346
05:20:14,417 --> 05:20:16,370
And we voted to put it on the ballot.

5347
05:20:16,370 --> 05:20:18,399
And as soon as we did that, now it changes the game

5348
05:20:18,399 --> 05:20:19,607
while we lead up to the vote.

5349
05:20:19,607 --> 05:20:21,770
Criminal indictments.

5350
05:20:21,770 --> 05:20:23,657
While the board has put it before the voters

5351
05:20:23,657 --> 05:20:24,797
to make that decision.

5352
05:20:24,797 --> 05:20:28,141
So I'm just saying, though, for three years

5353
05:20:28,141 --> 05:20:30,266
that all of a sudden, if I could clarify, the board

5354
05:20:30,266 --> 05:20:32,957
has advocated to allow that to allow Virginia

5355
05:20:32,957 --> 05:20:34,490
localities to have that option.

5356
05:20:34,490 --> 05:20:36,850
And now we have that option, and it's before the board.

5357
05:20:36,850 --> 05:20:39,221
There are voters at this point, and I

5358
05:20:39,221 --> 05:20:41,510
don't suspect that there's anything

5359
05:20:41,510 --> 05:20:44,747
wrong with if an e emails received on the county email

5360
05:20:44,747 --> 05:20:48,557
that I can reply, email me here or just you said go ahead

5361
05:20:48,557 --> 05:20:51,170
and just reply Yes, sir, Use the email address

5362
05:20:51,170 --> 05:20:52,307
and apply from the personal.

5363
05:20:52,307 --> 05:20:52,907
Yes, sir.

5364
05:20:52,907 --> 05:20:54,587
Right Very good.

5365
05:20:54,587 --> 05:20:55,127
Thank you.

5366
05:20:55,127 --> 05:20:55,627
Thank you.

5367
05:20:55,627 --> 05:20:57,647
Two other questions actually I do have one.

5368
05:20:57,647 --> 05:20:57,887
Yeah.

5369
05:20:57,887 --> 05:20:58,970
The one that just came up.

5370
05:20:58,970 --> 05:21:02,890
So if someone emails a question to our county email

5371
05:21:02,890 --> 05:21:03,446
should that be kept?

5372
05:21:03,446 --> 05:21:03,989
Yes.

5373
05:21:03,989 --> 05:21:04,532
OK.

5374
05:21:04,532 --> 05:21:07,939
Even though we don't ever answer it or anything else OK.

5375
05:21:07,939 --> 05:21:08,631
And again.

5376
05:21:08,631 --> 05:21:09,785
And let me clarify.

5377
05:21:09,785 --> 05:21:12,920
You can answer from your county email as well.

5378
05:21:12,920 --> 05:21:13,888
As long as it's neutral factual.

5379
05:21:13,888 --> 05:21:14,742
And so forth.

5380
05:21:14,742 --> 05:21:16,450
The moment that you express an opinion,

5381
05:21:16,450 --> 05:21:18,840
it would have to be from your personal account.

5382
05:21:18,840 --> 05:21:19,340
OK.

5383
05:21:19,340 --> 05:21:20,790
Thank you.

5384
05:21:20,790 --> 05:21:20,818
Very good.

5385
05:21:20,818 --> 05:21:26,218
Thank you Okay, we will move to item number

5386
05:21:28,970 --> 05:21:31,427
18 public comment on matters previously considered

5387
05:21:31,427 --> 05:21:34,727
are currently pending before the board other than the other

5388
05:21:34,727 --> 05:21:37,307
than scheduled public hearings And we

5389
05:21:37,307 --> 05:21:38,747
do have some folks signed up.

5390
05:21:38,747 --> 05:21:41,870
So Vice Chair mr. Will read the rules

5391
05:21:41,870 --> 05:21:42,287
and introduce our speakers.

5392
05:21:42,287 --> 05:21:42,799
Happy to.

5393
05:21:42,799 --> 05:21:43,817
We have no one on line.

5394
05:21:43,817 --> 05:21:45,832
So I read the in person only during this portion

5395
05:21:45,832 --> 05:21:46,457
of the meeting.

5396
05:21:46,457 --> 05:21:48,767
Individuals may address the board regarding matters

5397
05:21:48,767 --> 05:21:50,592
previously considered by the Board

5398
05:21:50,592 --> 05:21:52,217
are currently pending before the Board,

5399
05:21:52,217 --> 05:21:54,810
other than the item scheduled for public hearing,

5400
05:21:54,810 --> 05:21:55,787
speakers are limited to one opportunity

5401
05:21:55,787 --> 05:21:59,570
of up to three minutes to ensure equal treatment and courtesy

5402
05:21:59,570 --> 05:21:59,777
for all speakers.

5403
05:21:59,777 --> 05:22:01,474
The board requests that the following guidelines

5404
05:22:01,474 --> 05:22:02,229
be observed.

5405
05:22:02,229 --> 05:22:03,488
Please state your name.

5406
05:22:03,488 --> 05:22:06,600
And if you live in Albemarle County or magisterial district

5407
05:22:06,600 --> 05:22:08,327
comments should be directed to the board as a whole.

5408
05:22:08,327 --> 05:22:10,127
Written statements or supporting materials

5409
05:22:10,127 --> 05:22:13,700
may be provided to the clerk if representing a group

5410
05:22:13,700 --> 05:22:15,228
or organization, you may ask others present to raise

5411
05:22:15,228 --> 05:22:16,877
their hands in recognition.

5412
05:22:16,877 --> 05:22:19,517
Speakers may not share unused time with another speaker.

5413
05:22:19,517 --> 05:22:21,272
A back and forth debate is not permitted

5414
05:22:21,272 --> 05:22:23,147
and speakers should not speak from their seat

5415
05:22:23,147 --> 05:22:26,870
or out of turn the podium timer will guide your time.

5416
05:22:26,870 --> 05:22:27,617
Green indicate your time has begun.

5417
05:22:27,617 --> 05:22:30,197
Yellow means one minute remains that read indicates

5418
05:22:30,197 --> 05:22:32,447
your time has expired All comments are

5419
05:22:32,447 --> 05:22:35,537
recorded live streamed and published on the county website.

5420
05:22:35,537 --> 05:22:38,657
The sign up period is closed once public comment begins

5421
05:22:38,657 --> 05:22:39,917
the podium is adjustable.

5422
05:22:39,917 --> 05:22:41,793
Speakers may raise or lower it.

5423
05:22:41,793 --> 05:22:44,424
So they're able to speak directly into the microphone,

5424
05:22:44,424 --> 05:22:50,424
and we'll begin with Mr. Tom Olivier our good evening.

5425
05:22:54,619 --> 05:22:57,887
I'm Tom Olivier from the Samuel Miller district.

5426
05:22:57,887 --> 05:23:01,757
I'm here to speak about regarding rural areas values

5427
05:23:01,757 --> 05:23:03,467
and planning.

5428
05:23:03,467 --> 05:23:06,797
In the early 1990, as a former county supervisor

5429
05:23:06,797 --> 05:23:09,197
told me that during the development of the county's

5430
05:23:09,197 --> 05:23:13,397
first zoning ordinance, a large scale map of the county

5431
05:23:13,397 --> 05:23:16,970
was hung in public area in a public area,

5432
05:23:16,970 --> 05:23:17,297
and a planning department.

5433
05:23:17,297 --> 05:23:22,847
While on the map areas we today would call rural areas were

5434
05:23:22,847 --> 05:23:28,847
labeled as raw land law is a semantically pregnant adjective,

5435
05:23:28,967 --> 05:23:32,270
one that suggests that open space is of there to be

5436
05:23:32,270 --> 05:23:36,197
transformed by humans into something else Fortunately,

5437
05:23:36,197 --> 05:23:40,670
by 1989, our comprehensive plan recognized the need

5438
05:23:40,670 --> 05:23:43,847
to preserve open spaces with forestry and agriculture

5439
05:23:43,847 --> 05:23:48,470
as priority uses In 1999, the natural resources

5440
05:23:48,797 --> 05:23:51,170
and cultural assets chapter added

5441
05:23:51,170 --> 05:23:55,166
natural and historical resources to the list of protected

5442
05:23:55,166 --> 05:24:00,170
or values a few years later, the first Rural Areas chapter

5443
05:24:00,170 --> 05:24:03,737
presented a vision for enduring rural areas.

5444
05:24:03,737 --> 05:24:06,887
A vision of integrated agroforestry and industries,

5445
05:24:06,887 --> 05:24:09,887
natural systems and historic resources

5446
05:24:10,157 --> 05:24:13,670
I recently sent you all a copy for that vision

5447
05:24:13,670 --> 05:24:17,897
statement in contrast to early in the last comprehensive plan

5448
05:24:17,897 --> 05:24:21,227
planning staff proposed a new structure for the plan

5449
05:24:21,227 --> 05:24:26,175
without a rural areas chapter are open spaces, it seemed,

5450
05:24:26,175 --> 05:24:27,391
were deemed undeserved.

5451
05:24:27,391 --> 05:24:31,670
And with much attention What impoverished conception

5452
05:24:31,670 --> 05:24:34,943
of our rural areas lay by and are behind that decision

5453
05:24:34,943 --> 05:24:40,187
and were rural areas again, being seen as raw land pressure

5454
05:24:40,187 --> 05:24:43,547
from members of the public who understood open face, open space

5455
05:24:43,547 --> 05:24:46,457
values led to including the rural areas

5456
05:24:46,457 --> 05:24:50,447
chapter and a commitment to develop a standalone rural areas

5457
05:24:50,447 --> 05:24:54,167
plan such a plan would help identify policies

5458
05:24:54,167 --> 05:24:58,667
that foster coexistence of often compete in open space.

5459
05:24:58,667 --> 05:25:00,317
Land uses.

5460
05:25:00,317 --> 05:25:04,877
It could help identify adaptive paths for Forest Hill industries

5461
05:25:04,877 --> 05:25:09,770
in changing ecological and economic circumstances Allow

5462
05:25:10,970 --> 05:25:14,870
the county currently lacks rural areas planners to help develop

5463
05:25:14,870 --> 05:25:16,870
a standalone plan.

5464
05:25:16,277 --> 05:25:18,257
If the Community Development Department

5465
05:25:18,257 --> 05:25:21,167
doesn't request a new rural areas planning

5466
05:25:21,167 --> 05:25:25,542
position in the next county budget, I urge that use of force

5467
05:25:25,542 --> 05:25:27,850
require that it be added and funded.

5468
05:25:27,850 --> 05:25:28,427
Thanks.

5469
05:25:28,427 --> 05:25:30,197
For your consideration.

5470
05:25:30,197 --> 05:25:30,947
Thank you.

5471
05:25:30,947 --> 05:25:32,570
Thank you.

5472
05:25:32,570 --> 05:25:35,570
And tim Kendrick Good evening.

5473
05:25:39,407 --> 05:25:42,257
My name is Ted Kendrick and I live in the white hold district.

5474
05:25:42,257 --> 05:25:45,797
I'm speaking today on behalf of Albemarle County Farm Bureau.

5475
05:25:45,797 --> 05:25:47,777
In front of you, there's a small booklet.

5476
05:25:47,777 --> 05:25:49,697
Welcome to the Country.

5477
05:25:49,697 --> 05:25:52,487
This is a booklet about Central Virginia and living

5478
05:25:52,487 --> 05:25:56,870
in the country and rural areas within our county.

5479
05:25:56,870 --> 05:25:59,701
It's a light reading, but in the fact that in the near future,

5480
05:25:59,701 --> 05:26:02,837
we'll be making decisions here with this board about the future

5481
05:26:02,837 --> 05:26:04,787
of agricultural in our county.

5482
05:26:04,787 --> 05:26:06,317
I would ask that you take the time

5483
05:26:06,317 --> 05:26:09,707
and read the short book You'll recognize names in there

5484
05:26:09,707 --> 05:26:13,937
from farmers past and present, like Corky Shackleford Rob

5485
05:26:13,937 --> 05:26:19,337
Harrison and Carl Tender It's a short read, 70 pages,

5486
05:26:19,757 --> 05:26:22,217
but I think you'll find it informative

5487
05:26:22,217 --> 05:26:24,767
and a delight to read Thank you.

5488
05:26:24,767 --> 05:26:25,337
Thank you.

5489
05:26:25,337 --> 05:26:26,267
Thank you, Tim.

5490
05:26:26,267 --> 05:26:27,447
That concludes our list.

5491
05:26:27,447 --> 05:26:27,947
All right.

5492
05:26:27,947 --> 05:26:31,937
Thank you for our speakers this evening All right.

5493
05:26:31,937 --> 05:26:34,787
We will move to item number 19.

5494
05:26:34,787 --> 05:26:37,187
ZM 2025 seven Windy Knoll.

5495
05:26:38,147 --> 05:26:41,777
We have Rebecca and Michael at the dais with us.

5496
05:26:41,777 --> 05:26:43,637
Good evening.

5497
05:26:43,637 --> 05:26:44,207
Good evening.

5498
05:26:44,207 --> 05:26:45,470
Thank you.

5499
05:26:45,470 --> 05:26:49,187
Rebecca Ragsdale, planning manager with the Community

5500
05:26:49,187 --> 05:26:51,557
Development Division, And I will be taking us

5501
05:26:51,557 --> 05:26:55,157
through this presentation and going over

5502
05:26:55,487 --> 05:26:59,570
the specifics of the proposal This is a public hearing

5503
05:26:59,570 --> 05:27:01,667
and we did get a few questions and want

5504
05:27:01,667 --> 05:27:05,627
to make sure we clarified that it has been properly advertised

5505
05:27:05,627 --> 05:27:07,517
and that includes all the required

5506
05:27:07,517 --> 05:27:11,867
parts of the code of Virginia and sufficient notice,

5507
05:27:11,867 --> 05:27:13,877
including posted notice under the county

5508
05:27:13,877 --> 05:27:18,677
specific requirements in our ordinance This rezoning involves

5509
05:27:19,870 --> 05:27:24,487
about three acres of land comprised of three parcels

5510
05:27:24,887 --> 05:27:28,127
currently zoned r-1 residential and the proposal

5511
05:27:28,127 --> 05:27:32,267
is to rezone to r six for up to a total of 18

5512
05:27:32,267 --> 05:27:38,387
units at a gross density of six dwelling units per acre

5513
05:27:38,387 --> 05:27:41,177
Public hearings have been held at the planning

5514
05:27:41,177 --> 05:27:45,887
Commission in February and then most recently in May when they

5515
05:27:45,887 --> 05:27:48,977
made their recommendation And the application has advanced

5516
05:27:48,977 --> 05:27:50,897
to you this evening.

5517
05:27:50,897 --> 05:27:53,570
So I will go through a couple of slides

5518
05:27:53,570 --> 05:27:55,727
to go over the existing conditions

5519
05:27:55,727 --> 05:27:59,327
and orient everyone to the parcel

5520
05:28:03,527 --> 05:28:07,277
Just getting situated over here with my screen

5521
05:28:07,277 --> 05:28:12,220
It is located along Rockfish Gap Turnpike at 250

5522
05:28:12,220 --> 05:28:17,987
and it is in between the quarry farm and Liberty hall

5523
05:28:17,987 --> 05:28:18,707
neighborhoods.

5524
05:28:18,707 --> 05:28:21,377
And it has a couple different access

5525
05:28:21,377 --> 05:28:24,382
points that we will go over.

5526
05:28:24,382 --> 05:28:30,982
But it is a c-shaped assemblage of those three parcels Looking

5527
05:28:31,307 --> 05:28:33,797
at a little more closely with the aerial view,

5528
05:28:33,797 --> 05:28:36,677
the parcel will be outlined on each of these slides or most

5529
05:28:36,677 --> 05:28:38,570
of them in the in the blue.

5530
05:28:38,570 --> 05:28:40,806
It is this c-shaped parcel, as I mentioned

5531
05:28:40,806 --> 05:28:46,457
to the east of quarry Farm and it is to the west

5532
05:28:46,457 --> 05:28:47,927
is Liberty Hall.

5533
05:28:47,927 --> 05:28:52,727
It's near the clover line and Center area

5534
05:28:53,570 --> 05:28:55,217
of Blue Ridge Shopping Center.

5535
05:28:55,217 --> 05:29:00,980
The yellow arrows are indicating a couple access points

5536
05:29:00,980 --> 05:29:03,631
that already exists to these parcels off of quarry Farm,

5537
05:29:03,631 --> 05:29:07,997
which will, of course be future Eastern Avenue.

5538
05:29:07,997 --> 05:29:11,897
Those access points are important as we

5539
05:29:11,897 --> 05:29:15,197
go through this presentation because it is, again,

5540
05:29:15,197 --> 05:29:16,697
an assemblage of parcels that will

5541
05:29:16,697 --> 05:29:20,290
be accessed from a couple of different spots

5542
05:29:20,290 --> 05:29:23,150
which is Windy Lane that extends off Little Fox

5543
05:29:23,150 --> 05:29:26,417
Lane in the existing quarry farm neighborhood

5544
05:29:26,417 --> 05:29:30,767
to the northern most portion of the existing quarry farm road

5545
05:29:30,767 --> 05:29:32,320
and access point.

5546
05:29:32,320 --> 05:29:32,980
From there.

5547
05:29:32,980 --> 05:29:37,780
And then from Colony Drive within liberty Hall,

5548
05:29:37,817 --> 05:29:39,917
we mentioned that it is located adjacent

5549
05:29:39,917 --> 05:29:42,317
to future Eastern Avenue.

5550
05:29:43,967 --> 05:29:48,770
That is underway In terms of moving forward with the design

5551
05:29:48,770 --> 05:29:52,367
build process and funding this fall hopefully starting

5552
05:29:52,367 --> 05:29:54,367
that in 2027 through 2029.

5553
05:29:57,857 --> 05:29:59,537
Again with the existing conditions,

5554
05:29:59,537 --> 05:30:01,667
information, switching gears to this map,

5555
05:30:01,667 --> 05:30:04,370
you'll see the C-shaped parcel in the light.

5556
05:30:04,370 --> 05:30:07,427
Green color in the middle is zoned R-1 residential.

5557
05:30:07,427 --> 05:30:07,937
Currently.

5558
05:30:07,937 --> 05:30:10,326
As we mentioned, the White is just

5559
05:30:10,326 --> 05:30:12,274
acknowledging the existing and 20 foot

5560
05:30:12,274 --> 05:30:16,517
right of way for future Eastern Avenue quarry Farm

5561
05:30:16,517 --> 05:30:20,170
is zoned r six excuse me, R4.

5562
05:30:20,170 --> 05:30:24,370
And then Liberty Hall is neighborhood model

5563
05:30:25,307 --> 05:30:30,467
with about a gross density of six dwelling units per acre

5564
05:30:30,467 --> 05:30:35,477
This is a snippet or inset map from the crazy master plan.

5565
05:30:35,477 --> 05:30:37,757
The parcel is designate added neighborhood density

5566
05:30:37,757 --> 05:30:41,657
residential That density range is up to six

5567
05:30:41,657 --> 05:30:46,517
dwelling units per acre and is the same designation as Liberty

5568
05:30:46,517 --> 05:30:49,637
Hall and quarry farm as we mentioned.

5569
05:30:49,637 --> 05:30:53,417
Again, the center is located within close proximity

5570
05:30:53,417 --> 05:30:57,617
and walking distance from the site Going

5571
05:30:57,917 --> 05:31:00,617
over the specifics of the proposal,

5572
05:31:00,617 --> 05:31:03,587
this is what we refer to as a concept

5573
05:31:03,587 --> 05:31:07,607
plan that is offered by the developer

5574
05:31:07,607 --> 05:31:10,670
to make commitments to certain features.

5575
05:31:10,670 --> 05:31:14,507
We often use the term major elements Anything you don't see

5576
05:31:14,507 --> 05:31:18,527
called out on the plan specifically as a unique element

5577
05:31:18,527 --> 05:31:21,767
of this proposal will be covered by the ordinance,

5578
05:31:21,767 --> 05:31:28,274
which is the R six regulations that are six allows unit types,

5579
05:31:28,274 --> 05:31:34,930
such as single family detached and multifamily and the maximum

5580
05:31:34,930 --> 05:31:36,860
building height is 35ft.

5581
05:31:36,860 --> 05:31:37,282
For example.

5582
05:31:37,282 --> 05:31:40,577
This particular plan as I mentioned,

5583
05:31:40,577 --> 05:31:46,577
has a couple of different areas assemblage of three areas.

5584
05:31:46,692 --> 05:31:50,807
But it has what we refer to in the applicant has labeled

5585
05:31:50,807 --> 05:31:55,847
the South building zone, which is accessed by windy non lane.

5586
05:31:55,847 --> 05:31:58,907
And then from colony Farm or excuse

5587
05:31:58,907 --> 05:32:04,970
me, colony Drive and then the northern portion in the north

5588
05:32:04,970 --> 05:32:07,697
building zone, which would be accessed

5589
05:32:07,877 --> 05:32:13,877
with a new private street from existing quarry farm road.

5590
05:32:14,957 --> 05:32:17,957
The total number of units.

5591
05:32:18,137 --> 05:32:19,847
That's proposed is 18.

5592
05:32:19,847 --> 05:32:23,597
And that maximum is included in the materials

5593
05:32:23,597 --> 05:32:27,197
from the applicant They have included

5594
05:32:28,907 --> 05:32:32,301
a limit on the number of units within each of these building

5595
05:32:32,301 --> 05:32:35,387
zones, which would be up to 11.

5596
05:32:35,387 --> 05:32:39,697
So for example, you know, if they did if they did fewer

5597
05:32:39,697 --> 05:32:43,101
in one, they can't do as many.

5598
05:32:43,101 --> 05:32:46,101
But the maximum overall is 18.

5599
05:32:47,270 --> 05:32:54,227
This plan also given that it has multiple access points and also

5600
05:32:56,177 --> 05:32:59,570
some constraints that will result in it,

5601
05:32:59,570 --> 05:33:02,447
not completing any new public road segments.

5602
05:33:02,447 --> 05:33:05,537
It is bound on a couple of access points

5603
05:33:05,537 --> 05:33:06,857
from existing public roads.

5604
05:33:06,857 --> 05:33:11,147
So these connections into the site again will be private.

5605
05:33:11,147 --> 05:33:14,987
There is the commitment to a paved path that

5606
05:33:14,987 --> 05:33:19,667
would provide accessibility from the northern part of the site

5607
05:33:19,667 --> 05:33:24,707
down through it over to the existing sidewalk system,

5608
05:33:24,707 --> 05:33:30,347
either in liberty Hall or down to future Eastern Avenue

5609
05:33:30,347 --> 05:33:34,337
or the existing paved path down near Little Fox that

5610
05:33:34,337 --> 05:33:36,737
extends along the 250 frontage.

5611
05:33:37,937 --> 05:33:41,267
This development with the townhouse proposal

5612
05:33:41,267 --> 05:33:44,756
and the limited number of the limit to the number of units

5613
05:33:44,756 --> 05:33:47,117
that need each building zone might end up

5614
05:33:47,117 --> 05:33:48,767
being similar to the row of townhouses

5615
05:33:48,767 --> 05:33:52,829
that is grayed out and similar to some of that development

5616
05:33:52,829 --> 05:33:57,290
that you see in Liberty hall currently.

5617
05:33:57,947 --> 05:34:02,597
What is in addition to the regulations of the R six

5618
05:34:02,597 --> 05:34:03,617
district.

5619
05:34:03,617 --> 05:34:06,647
There is no requirement for buffers or screening

5620
05:34:06,647 --> 05:34:09,647
between residential uses and based

5621
05:34:10,427 --> 05:34:15,227
on public input and concern about adjacent neighborhoods.

5622
05:34:16,607 --> 05:34:22,727
The there is what you will see as a ten foot buffer zone along

5623
05:34:22,727 --> 05:34:25,607
property lines that are adjacent to existing residential

5624
05:34:25,607 --> 05:34:28,423
in Liberty Hall the residence at 3:30,

5625
05:34:28,423 --> 05:34:30,696
which is not part of this proposal.

5626
05:34:30,696 --> 05:34:35,270
And then the existing residents in Corey Farm,

5627
05:34:35,270 --> 05:34:39,227
the rear setback for R six is 20ft and the applicant has

5628
05:34:39,227 --> 05:34:43,727
proposed an additional five feet for that rear setback to allow

5629
05:34:43,727 --> 05:34:48,335
for some additional space between the new development.

5630
05:34:48,335 --> 05:34:50,335
And this development.

5631
05:34:50,363 --> 05:34:56,780
There was what we refer to as an illustrative plan, which means

5632
05:34:56,780 --> 05:35:01,370
is an example of how the site could develop under the R

5633
05:35:01,370 --> 05:35:03,557
six zoning regulations that would regulate it.

5634
05:35:03,557 --> 05:35:07,307
And the features of the plan that they have made commitments

5635
05:35:07,307 --> 05:35:08,627
to.

5636
05:35:08,627 --> 05:35:10,487
So that would this is just showing you

5637
05:35:10,487 --> 05:35:15,497
how there may be fewer units in the southern section

5638
05:35:15,497 --> 05:35:19,277
than the northern section It's hard to see on this screen,

5639
05:35:19,277 --> 05:35:21,857
but the applicant has demonstrated

5640
05:35:21,857 --> 05:35:24,827
how they will manage stormwater on the site, which

5641
05:35:24,827 --> 05:35:27,714
would be completely contained on this site.

5642
05:35:27,714 --> 05:35:29,794
And not relying on any conveyance

5643
05:35:29,794 --> 05:35:34,307
over in the or drainage to the liberty hall neighborhood.

5644
05:35:34,307 --> 05:35:38,357
But would drain through the site to the stormwater stormwater

5645
05:35:38,357 --> 05:35:41,297
facility that they have planned.

5646
05:35:41,297 --> 05:35:43,122
Engineering staff has reviewed this

5647
05:35:43,122 --> 05:35:45,589
and been out to the site several times

5648
05:35:45,589 --> 05:35:47,439
based on some concerns about stormwater

5649
05:35:47,439 --> 05:35:48,977
from the Liberty Hall residents.

5650
05:35:48,977 --> 05:35:51,617
They didn't object to the proposal

5651
05:35:51,617 --> 05:35:55,245
or see any hurdles with me meeting the D EMQQ

5652
05:35:55,245 --> 05:35:57,737
regulations or local regulations with regard

5653
05:35:57,737 --> 05:36:01,187
to managing stormwater on site and not

5654
05:36:01,187 --> 05:36:05,987
having any impacts offsite I mentioned the proffers

5655
05:36:10,967 --> 05:36:14,207
and what what commitments have been made with the plan

5656
05:36:14,207 --> 05:36:18,797
and those features I think I've gone over in the in the plan

5657
05:36:18,797 --> 05:36:22,367
may not have mentioned a few of the other elements

5658
05:36:22,367 --> 05:36:27,737
include an additional drainage and slope easement or excuse me.

5659
05:36:27,737 --> 05:36:30,167
Yes, drainage and slope easement That

5660
05:36:30,167 --> 05:36:33,857
would be necessary to accommodate eastern Avenue.

5661
05:36:33,857 --> 05:36:37,937
We mentioned the public paths and connectivity through there.

5662
05:36:37,937 --> 05:36:41,867
And then based on the number of units

5663
05:36:41,867 --> 05:36:45,317
the applicant has committed to proffers

5664
05:36:45,317 --> 05:36:47,657
that are consistent with fully consistent with housing.

5665
05:36:47,657 --> 05:36:50,657
Albemarle including that the percentage

5666
05:36:51,827 --> 05:36:57,227
of units terms of affordability and the income limits.

5667
05:36:57,557 --> 05:37:01,147
So if they build out to the maximum 18,

5668
05:37:01,147 --> 05:37:06,770
for example, that would be up to affordable units

5669
05:37:06,770 --> 05:37:08,777
We mentioned the review at the Planning Commission.

5670
05:37:08,777 --> 05:37:11,687
Ultimately the last action by the Commission

5671
05:37:11,687 --> 05:37:16,670
was a recommendation for denial We did receive a resubmit

5672
05:37:16,670 --> 05:37:19,427
from the applicant and this proposed will includes

5673
05:37:19,427 --> 05:37:23,270
some additional changes that were meant

5674
05:37:24,947 --> 05:37:26,327
to address those concerns.

5675
05:37:26,327 --> 05:37:29,870
We heard from the Commission and the public related

5676
05:37:29,870 --> 05:37:32,687
to storm water defining and defining

5677
05:37:35,537 --> 05:37:39,737
the boundaries and condition between this development

5678
05:37:40,970 --> 05:37:47,297
and the adjacent and so I will pause there for any questions.

5679
05:37:47,578 --> 05:37:48,780
All right.

5680
05:37:48,780 --> 05:37:50,657
Thank you, Rebecca Supervisor Malik.

5681
05:37:50,657 --> 05:37:51,287
Thank you.

5682
05:37:51,287 --> 05:37:53,597
I will start at the bottom Most recent.

5683
05:37:53,597 --> 05:37:59,214
So what are the changes that were proposed since the May

5684
05:37:59,214 --> 05:38:00,470
Planning Commission?

5685
05:38:00,470 --> 05:38:02,267
Because I didn't see that in my homework.

5686
05:38:02,267 --> 05:38:05,377
If I missed it, I'm sorry I knew the path was new,

5687
05:38:05,377 --> 05:38:07,127
but I didn't know there was anything else.

5688
05:38:07,127 --> 05:38:09,127
It was substantial.

5689
05:38:09,662 --> 05:38:14,807
So they made sure that that ten foot planted buffer zone

5690
05:38:14,807 --> 05:38:18,887
around the perimeter or adjacent to existing resident marshall

5691
05:38:18,887 --> 05:38:22,487
included was included in additional areas

5692
05:38:22,787 --> 05:38:25,307
that it wasn't at the commission.

5693
05:38:25,307 --> 05:38:29,507
The 25 foot rear setback was an increase

5694
05:38:29,567 --> 05:38:33,767
from 20, which is the ordinance minimum to 25

5695
05:38:34,322 --> 05:38:38,274
between the board I mean, excuse me,

5696
05:38:38,274 --> 05:38:39,857
the Planning Commission and the board.

5697
05:38:39,857 --> 05:38:44,147
And then they also there was an updated narrative proffer

5698
05:38:44,147 --> 05:38:47,747
and concept plan to address stormwater

5699
05:38:49,517 --> 05:38:51,377
an additional response to stormwater

5700
05:38:51,377 --> 05:38:52,877
and some of the other concerns that

5701
05:38:52,877 --> 05:38:55,517
were raised in the narrative.

5702
05:38:55,517 --> 05:39:00,707
So that was what was provided in between the the Planning

5703
05:39:00,707 --> 05:39:02,297
Commission Board.

5704
05:39:02,297 --> 05:39:07,457
And so in the buffer zone around 330, for example,

5705
05:39:07,457 --> 05:39:10,967
that ten foot green angle that you showed on one of the slides,

5706
05:39:10,967 --> 05:39:13,967
what is the tree protection in that zone?

5707
05:39:13,967 --> 05:39:16,277
Because having stood right there,

5708
05:39:16,277 --> 05:39:18,690
there are multiple trees, two feet

5709
05:39:18,690 --> 05:39:23,469
and 3 feet in diameter right along that buffer route

5710
05:39:24,170 --> 05:39:29,417
So the proper that may not include the buffer

5711
05:39:29,717 --> 05:39:31,907
would be landscaped, but it doesn't necessarily

5712
05:39:31,907 --> 05:39:37,525
make a commitment to preserving the existing trees in that area

5713
05:39:37,525 --> 05:39:39,130
Given a site like this.

5714
05:39:39,130 --> 05:39:40,500
And the grading and everything that

5715
05:39:40,500 --> 05:39:45,437
would be necessary to develop it it the developer

5716
05:39:45,437 --> 05:39:50,127
has not made a commitment to preserving specific trees.

5717
05:39:50,127 --> 05:39:50,627
Okay.

5718
05:39:50,627 --> 05:39:54,770
And i will work our way back up the chain.

5719
05:39:54,770 --> 05:39:57,467
Let's see, you had mentioned amenities

5720
05:39:57,467 --> 05:40:00,647
and i did get some questions today.

5721
05:40:00,647 --> 05:40:03,527
So let me just open that up.

5722
05:40:03,527 --> 05:40:04,324
Come on.

5723
05:40:04,324 --> 05:40:06,724
Are you well shoot.

5724
05:40:10,970 --> 05:40:11,270
I'm sorry.

5725
05:40:11,270 --> 05:40:16,427
One second and then died for crying out loud.

5726
05:40:20,987 --> 05:40:24,437
The So where are the recreation?

5727
05:40:24,437 --> 05:40:28,637
Closest Recreation and places for this one?

5728
05:40:31,100 --> 05:40:33,109
The questions from one of the people

5729
05:40:33,109 --> 05:40:35,208
who lives far away in Crozet.

5730
05:40:35,208 --> 05:40:37,193
But not anywhere near his playground.

5731
05:40:37,193 --> 05:40:39,687
Basketball court, Baseball field, soccer field.

5732
05:40:39,687 --> 05:40:43,774
How will kids get there without parents driving them?

5733
05:40:43,774 --> 05:40:45,240
We're talking about amenities.

5734
05:40:45,240 --> 05:40:47,597
So I'm just wondering if any of those questions

5735
05:40:47,597 --> 05:40:50,147
are included in the amenities.

5736
05:40:50,147 --> 05:40:55,427
You mentioned So the starting point in the ordinance,

5737
05:40:55,427 --> 05:40:59,387
there actually aren't amenity or recreation requirements

5738
05:40:59,387 --> 05:41:02,208
for units of less than 30.

5739
05:41:02,208 --> 05:41:05,177
This is a proposal for 18, but the proffers

5740
05:41:05,177 --> 05:41:09,377
have made a commitment to provide amenities.

5741
05:41:09,557 --> 05:41:11,837
The minimum amenities that would be

5742
05:41:11,837 --> 05:41:16,370
required for under our ordinance in section 416.

5743
05:41:17,270 --> 05:41:19,187
So there's volun they've proffered

5744
05:41:19,187 --> 05:41:24,587
to comply with 416, which would include the tot lot

5745
05:41:25,337 --> 05:41:28,370
as the amenities for this site.

5746
05:41:28,370 --> 05:41:28,637
There.

5747
05:41:28,637 --> 05:41:31,697
It's not one based on the number of units and the schedule

5748
05:41:31,697 --> 05:41:34,217
on our ordinance that would require those other amenities.

5749
05:41:34,217 --> 05:41:37,157
But it will be with Eastern avenue,

5750
05:41:37,157 --> 05:41:40,757
hopefully more accessible to crozet Park

5751
05:41:42,377 --> 05:41:44,357
within the development area.

5752
05:41:44,357 --> 05:41:47,507
So this green rectangle on the slide, you have up now

5753
05:41:47,507 --> 05:41:50,230
is where these features would be even though it's a very

5754
05:41:50,230 --> 05:41:52,315
sleepy section right now.

5755
05:41:52,315 --> 05:41:54,810
So the I have to cut cut that out.

5756
05:41:54,810 --> 05:41:55,310
OK.

5757
05:41:55,310 --> 05:41:56,590
I feel.

5758
05:41:56,590 --> 05:41:59,447
Yes, that the green area on the illustrative

5759
05:41:59,447 --> 05:42:01,637
is where they believe they have enough area

5760
05:42:01,637 --> 05:42:07,637
to provide a amenities that are cited in the ordinance.

5761
05:42:07,863 --> 05:42:09,767
But you'll also, you're seeing now

5762
05:42:09,767 --> 05:42:11,814
how developers are getting creative

5763
05:42:11,814 --> 05:42:15,797
with things that work with the area that they have

5764
05:42:15,797 --> 05:42:19,700
and the characteristics of the location where

5765
05:42:19,700 --> 05:42:21,167
they would go All right.

5766
05:42:21,167 --> 05:42:24,677
Working my way back up the easement for Eastern Avenue,

5767
05:42:24,677 --> 05:42:27,857
which you mentioned in the proffers,

5768
05:42:27,857 --> 05:42:30,455
there seems to be a difference between what is

5769
05:42:30,455 --> 05:42:32,244
shown on the applicant's map.

5770
05:42:32,244 --> 05:42:35,297
And what the county's map is showing.

5771
05:42:35,297 --> 05:42:39,587
And so who's going to be what's going to be this when the county

5772
05:42:39,587 --> 05:42:43,367
needs this map to go forward with the Eastern Avenue

5773
05:42:43,367 --> 05:42:47,927
procurement and who's going to be is the extra area going to be

5774
05:42:47,927 --> 05:42:50,927
then provided or is the county going to be stuck with buying

5775
05:42:50,927 --> 05:42:55,670
an extra 6000ft² or whatever to accomplish the construction

5776
05:42:55,670 --> 05:42:55,817
of Eastern Avenue?

5777
05:42:55,817 --> 05:42:59,327
Because there seems to be a pretty significant just

5778
05:42:59,327 --> 05:43:02,387
a mismatch between this little slash

5779
05:43:02,387 --> 05:43:04,795
triangle here and the bigger.

5780
05:43:04,795 --> 05:43:07,868
It's about twice as big actually, on the county county

5781
05:43:07,868 --> 05:43:10,935
maps So that may be something you're not

5782
05:43:10,935 --> 05:43:12,977
prepared to answer right now, but it is certainly

5783
05:43:12,977 --> 05:43:14,590
a discrepancy going forward.

5784
05:43:14,590 --> 05:43:20,537
That could mean lots and lots of money to county taxpayers

5785
05:43:20,537 --> 05:43:23,537
But we do have Kevin McDermott excuse me, McGovern.

5786
05:43:23,537 --> 05:43:25,667
McDermott If you would like to call him up

5787
05:43:25,667 --> 05:43:31,670
to answer any specific questions related to Eastern Avenue,

5788
05:43:31,217 --> 05:43:34,337
we have to answer the question about the specific proffer.

5789
05:43:34,337 --> 05:43:37,817
It's the 4500 and roughly seven 70 square foot

5790
05:43:37,817 --> 05:43:40,457
area that had been identified up to this point

5791
05:43:40,457 --> 05:43:43,457
for additional easements We Kevin,

5792
05:43:45,227 --> 05:43:49,310
may have more details I could hear where

5793
05:43:49,310 --> 05:43:51,899
Michael, our local bar and treasurer planning.

5794
05:43:51,899 --> 05:43:54,107
We so currently miss Malik.

5795
05:43:54,107 --> 05:43:59,467
We have conceptual plans for the widening of well, you

5796
05:43:59,467 --> 05:44:03,487
know, the installation of the road and extension, the Eastern

5797
05:44:03,487 --> 05:44:06,977
Avenue Connector There have been some concepts that we've looked

5798
05:44:06,977 --> 05:44:09,557
at lately about, you know maybe reworking

5799
05:44:09,557 --> 05:44:13,127
some of the sidewalk and shared use paths in this area.

5800
05:44:13,127 --> 05:44:14,964
I don't believe at this point that the,

5801
05:44:14,964 --> 05:44:16,547
you know, the right of way discussions

5802
05:44:16,547 --> 05:44:21,197
we've been talking about would be outside of the area

5803
05:44:21,197 --> 05:44:24,227
shown on this particular plan I'm not quite sure the exhibit

5804
05:44:24,227 --> 05:44:26,117
that you're looking at.

5805
05:44:26,117 --> 05:44:28,577
I guess it was part of the materials that were put together

5806
05:44:28,577 --> 05:44:30,619
for the public meeting in Crazy a couple of weeks

5807
05:44:30,619 --> 05:44:33,617
ago that showed official documents or somebody sufficient

5808
05:44:33,617 --> 05:44:38,807
looking documents that showed a big arch for the construction

5809
05:44:38,807 --> 05:44:41,777
easement, particularly as part of it, as opposed to

5810
05:44:41,777 --> 05:44:43,699
and then it's encroaching.

5811
05:44:43,699 --> 05:44:47,159
If having been there and seen how deep.

5812
05:44:47,159 --> 05:44:51,798
That ball is, it begins on the white parcel going north and all

5813
05:44:51,798 --> 05:44:55,217
those timber lines that are there is very steep

5814
05:44:55,217 --> 05:44:58,277
and this stormwater pond that they're looking at,

5815
05:44:58,277 --> 05:45:02,927
they're in the low spot is sort of at the bottom of the slope.

5816
05:45:02,927 --> 05:45:05,447
That's going to have to be dealt with for the construction

5817
05:45:05,447 --> 05:45:07,565
easement, for the roadway So it looks.

5818
05:45:07,565 --> 05:45:10,420
I'm not an engineer, but it looks too small for me,

5819
05:45:10,420 --> 05:45:12,704
considering the constraints, which are there So

5820
05:45:12,704 --> 05:45:14,537
I just want to know who's going to get stuck

5821
05:45:14,537 --> 05:45:15,722
with making those changes.

5822
05:45:15,722 --> 05:45:17,597
And I don't think changes should be happening

5823
05:45:17,597 --> 05:45:21,827
to the public project when we have an application in which

5824
05:45:21,827 --> 05:45:25,577
is open for deliberation and would be easy enough

5825
05:45:25,577 --> 05:45:28,937
for them to make sure that there is sufficient land provided

5826
05:45:28,937 --> 05:45:32,747
for whatever the county needs for this long awaited roadway

5827
05:45:32,747 --> 05:45:38,147
improvement Let's see So you basically in the buffer

5828
05:45:43,851 --> 05:45:45,684
question, what will happen to the vegetation

5829
05:45:45,684 --> 05:45:47,147
and will basically all be cut down

5830
05:45:47,147 --> 05:45:50,117
and little shrubs will be put in the places the answer, I guess,

5831
05:45:50,117 --> 05:45:54,415
that I took away from that no tree preservation was required.

5832
05:45:54,415 --> 05:45:57,603
So the proper specify the replanting standards

5833
05:45:57,603 --> 05:46:04,203
for the buffer areas that were proffered and that was keep

5834
05:46:05,164 --> 05:46:12,407
excuse trying to refer to my screen here the there was a mix

5835
05:46:12,407 --> 05:46:18,227
of ornamental and medium shade trees at at intervals of 30ft

5836
05:46:18,227 --> 05:46:23,417
on center, existing healthy trees within the buffer zone are

5837
05:46:23,417 --> 05:46:27,482
preserved, maybe if existing trees can be preserved,

5838
05:46:27,482 --> 05:46:29,522
they will be counted towards the buffer.

5839
05:46:29,522 --> 05:46:32,807
So they aim to try and preserve the existing trees,

5840
05:46:32,807 --> 05:46:36,587
but it would be a mix of the ornamental in the shade

5841
05:46:36,587 --> 05:46:41,987
trees in your presentation, you describe the multiple access

5842
05:46:44,894 --> 05:46:49,937
points and then the outcome might be similar to the Liberty

5843
05:46:49,937 --> 05:46:56,537
Hall townhouses over to the east for this upper northern building

5844
05:46:57,197 --> 05:47:01,877
zone, but might be is not giving me enough information

5845
05:47:01,877 --> 05:47:04,807
to know whether I can approve a particular application

5846
05:47:04,807 --> 05:47:07,307
because there's no guarantee of what the proposals are going

5847
05:47:07,307 --> 05:47:08,724
to be.

5848
05:47:08,724 --> 05:47:10,307
And I'm old enough to know that things

5849
05:47:10,307 --> 05:47:13,517
have changed between approval and final site plan.

5850
05:47:13,517 --> 05:47:17,237
So I just want to know what is really being proposed that I

5851
05:47:17,237 --> 05:47:18,677
think the board needs to know.

5852
05:47:18,677 --> 05:47:21,526
And the applicant, the neighbors and the community

5853
05:47:21,526 --> 05:47:24,200
certainly need to know what to be.

5854
05:47:24,200 --> 05:47:25,858
What to expect up there.

5855
05:47:25,858 --> 05:47:29,567
So the applicant will probably go into greater detail.

5856
05:47:29,567 --> 05:47:32,597
But when you look at this row of townhouses,

5857
05:47:32,597 --> 05:47:34,847
this represents the maximum 11 that

5858
05:47:34,847 --> 05:47:37,725
could be achieved in a building envelope.

5859
05:47:37,725 --> 05:47:40,125
So the limit is 11.

5860
05:47:40,375 --> 05:47:44,570
And in one envelope and then 18 total.

5861
05:47:44,570 --> 05:47:48,257
So this row here on the illustrative

5862
05:47:48,287 --> 05:47:53,447
is roughly the same size as the Liberty Hall one over here.

5863
05:47:53,447 --> 05:47:55,907
And that's why I just it's one, you

5864
05:47:55,907 --> 05:47:59,507
know real world example that's nearby.

5865
05:47:59,537 --> 05:48:02,537
And so footprints, footprints would

5866
05:48:02,627 --> 05:48:05,627
need to be smaller in the other portion

5867
05:48:05,627 --> 05:48:07,967
or, you know, they made regionally distributed.

5868
05:48:07,967 --> 05:48:10,757
But this is an example given the area

5869
05:48:10,757 --> 05:48:14,747
that they have to work with of the maximum they could achieve.

5870
05:48:14,747 --> 05:48:18,167
I believe based on what we've looked at on this plan

5871
05:48:18,167 --> 05:48:20,570
in in one of those buildings, owns

5872
05:48:20,570 --> 05:48:23,987
given the the configuration of the parcel and the limit of 11

5873
05:48:23,987 --> 05:48:28,157
and each one and the constraints of the configuration

5874
05:48:28,157 --> 05:48:30,347
of the parcel are given and certainly

5875
05:48:30,347 --> 05:48:33,527
something that was known before the purchase and the process

5876
05:48:33,527 --> 05:48:34,817
even began.

5877
05:48:34,817 --> 05:48:37,517
But these lots, the six townhouses

5878
05:48:37,517 --> 05:48:41,687
are basically half the size of the units across the 25 foot

5879
05:48:41,687 --> 05:48:45,497
buffer, which is there toward the east.

5880
05:48:45,497 --> 05:48:49,307
And the lots over there are very, very close.

5881
05:48:49,307 --> 05:48:53,327
Having And I guess the the townhouses on the east,

5882
05:48:53,327 --> 05:48:57,570
the northern zone will have to be dug in to the slope

5883
05:48:57,570 --> 05:49:01,670
is pretty steep, like 15 or so feet from top to bottom,

5884
05:49:01,670 --> 05:49:03,467
going north over there.

5885
05:49:03,467 --> 05:49:05,627
It's really hard to imagine how that's

5886
05:49:05,627 --> 05:49:11,477
going to work because we were given no information about that.

5887
05:49:11,477 --> 05:49:12,647
Oh, let's see.

5888
05:49:12,647 --> 05:49:15,540
Going up to the top All right.

5889
05:49:15,540 --> 05:49:17,790
I guess that's all the questions I have for right now.

5890
05:49:17,790 --> 05:49:18,290
Thank you.

5891
05:49:18,290 --> 05:49:20,690
Thank you very much.

5892
05:49:21,320 --> 05:49:25,700
Supervise Duncan going into sort of the land use for it.

5893
05:49:25,700 --> 05:49:29,627
Could you just refresh my memory on how long the Crozet master

5894
05:49:29,627 --> 05:49:35,237
plan has been there and how many times it's been revised Well,

5895
05:49:35,237 --> 05:49:40,370
crazy has its third master plan that were on right now the five,

5896
05:49:40,370 --> 05:49:42,370
ten, 15 and 21.

5897
05:49:44,870 --> 05:49:47,870
The 2005 was the first one.

5898
05:49:49,307 --> 05:49:52,577
There's a four well, 3 to 4 times.

5899
05:49:52,577 --> 05:49:55,280
But the designation of neighborhood density.

5900
05:49:55,280 --> 05:49:57,772
And this general area hasn't changed

5901
05:49:57,772 --> 05:50:01,670
substantially since in any of the master plans.

5902
05:50:01,670 --> 05:50:03,317
And every time it gets revised, the public

5903
05:50:03,317 --> 05:50:07,277
has a chance to like weigh in and sort of debate what they

5904
05:50:07,277 --> 05:50:10,187
want the master plan to be.

5905
05:50:10,187 --> 05:50:12,737
There's extensive public engagement with each

5906
05:50:12,737 --> 05:50:15,437
of those master plan Thank you.

5907
05:50:15,437 --> 05:50:19,970
And then in the packet you talk about

5908
05:50:19,970 --> 05:50:22,311
that this area is designated and activities center.

5909
05:50:22,311 --> 05:50:24,527
You just sort of refresh what that

5910
05:50:24,527 --> 05:50:28,127
means that activity centers are noted

5911
05:50:30,197 --> 05:50:33,287
where we have certain goals for them

5912
05:50:33,287 --> 05:50:37,277
in terms of more than the most dense at the center

5913
05:50:37,277 --> 05:50:38,537
of the activity center.

5914
05:50:38,537 --> 05:50:43,157
And then supporting those in terms of walkability and density

5915
05:50:43,157 --> 05:50:45,587
around them as it radiates out from the center,

5916
05:50:45,587 --> 05:50:47,117
sort of roughly.

5917
05:50:47,117 --> 05:50:49,877
Mr. Barnes may have things to add,

5918
05:50:49,877 --> 05:50:55,877
but it's where there is a certain amount of facilities

5919
05:50:58,217 --> 05:51:02,610
already that can serve even serve more infill

5920
05:51:02,610 --> 05:51:06,987
And the intent, then is you have activities and places to be.

5921
05:51:06,987 --> 05:51:10,460
And then the intends to have housing close by.

5922
05:51:10,460 --> 05:51:12,257
So that people can make sure i'm definitely

5923
05:51:12,257 --> 05:51:14,597
mixed use in the center.

5924
05:51:14,597 --> 05:51:16,277
And then I guess my last question

5925
05:51:16,277 --> 05:51:19,877
is so you believe that this meets

5926
05:51:19,877 --> 05:51:22,742
the higher requirements for stormwater and soil

5927
05:51:22,742 --> 05:51:23,927
and sediment?

5928
05:51:23,927 --> 05:51:29,927
Rose control, and all that You know, we with rezonings

5929
05:51:30,467 --> 05:51:32,867
are looking at feasibility.

5930
05:51:32,957 --> 05:51:36,617
So we wouldn't be able to say it meets it

5931
05:51:36,617 --> 05:51:39,572
until it goes through the full extensive engineer and site plan

5932
05:51:39,572 --> 05:51:44,387
review process, but we didn't see any hurdles to them

5933
05:51:44,387 --> 05:51:45,690
being able to comply.

5934
05:51:45,690 --> 05:51:46,607
No, that's all i have.

5935
05:51:46,607 --> 05:51:48,467
Thank you.

5936
05:51:48,467 --> 05:51:52,270
Supervisor Pruitt, this is going to be a really weird question

5937
05:51:52,270 --> 05:51:53,960
to begin with.

5938
05:51:53,960 --> 05:51:54,954
But do you know what this is like?

5939
05:51:54,954 --> 05:51:57,115
This was just put on our desk.

5940
05:51:57,115 --> 05:52:01,192
I don't want to say it came from as a party That's correct.

5941
05:52:01,192 --> 05:52:01,775
OK.

5942
05:52:01,775 --> 05:52:04,175
Got it Thank you.

5943
05:52:04,217 --> 05:52:06,528
I was just legitimately confused and figured,

5944
05:52:06,528 --> 05:52:09,437
you know, we're asking questions because it

5945
05:52:09,437 --> 05:52:10,937
looks like it's part of the packet,

5946
05:52:10,937 --> 05:52:12,467
but it's the massing is different.

5947
05:52:12,467 --> 05:52:18,252
And so I was a little thrown In fact, I was so through

5948
05:52:18,252 --> 05:52:19,877
and I forgot what my next question was.

5949
05:52:19,877 --> 05:52:21,947
Oh, yes, can you talk us through?

5950
05:52:21,947 --> 05:52:25,667
Because I know there were rounds of changes.

5951
05:52:25,667 --> 05:52:28,590
We talked about the change that was

5952
05:52:28,590 --> 05:52:33,390
made after the planning Commission voted either five 1

5953
05:52:34,387 --> 05:52:36,787
or 6 1 2 deny it recently.

5954
05:52:36,827 --> 05:52:40,127
But then there was also a vote for deferral.

5955
05:52:40,127 --> 05:52:42,947
What were the differences between the vote for defer roll

5956
05:52:42,947 --> 05:52:45,977
and next appearance before the Planning Commission?

5957
05:52:45,977 --> 05:52:48,827
That there was actually a decision on?

5958
05:52:48,827 --> 05:52:53,357
I think one of the bigger items was the distribution of units

5959
05:52:53,357 --> 05:52:57,480
between the two buildings zones the second time I went

5960
05:52:57,480 --> 05:52:59,215
to the commission was where there was the commitment

5961
05:52:59,215 --> 05:53:02,477
to establish the maximum within each zone of 11.

5962
05:53:02,477 --> 05:53:07,277
Prior to that, there were potentially fewer units

5963
05:53:07,907 --> 05:53:10,670
in the southern building zone.

5964
05:53:10,670 --> 05:53:13,607
So the part of the response from the planning Commission

5965
05:53:13,607 --> 05:53:17,272
initially that they returned for was to actually increase

5966
05:53:17,272 --> 05:53:21,472
the density on the southern part. yes.

5967
05:53:22,277 --> 05:53:28,277
And the commission specifically said, I think balance the site.

5968
05:53:28,427 --> 05:53:32,570
But I think just distribute distributing the density perhaps

5969
05:53:32,570 --> 05:53:36,107
would have addressed their concerns about if there's

5970
05:53:36,107 --> 05:53:38,567
fewer in each one perhaps compatibility

5971
05:53:38,567 --> 05:53:40,637
with the surrounding neighborhoods.

5972
05:53:40,637 --> 05:53:43,667
But they didn't say that specifically under

5973
05:53:43,667 --> 05:53:49,547
and was it after the first iteration, before the planning

5974
05:53:49,547 --> 05:53:54,947
commission or the second that this little the stormwater

5975
05:53:54,947 --> 05:53:58,517
reach back was added this section of piping

5976
05:53:58,517 --> 05:54:01,517
to the northern section stormwater

5977
05:54:02,147 --> 05:54:04,997
has been a topic from the first visit

5978
05:54:04,997 --> 05:54:07,370
to the Planning Commission and the second visit.

5979
05:54:07,370 --> 05:54:08,207
And this visit.

5980
05:54:08,207 --> 05:54:10,637
So I can't remember exactly what was provided

5981
05:54:10,637 --> 05:54:15,857
when I think each time the applicant has addressed

5982
05:54:15,857 --> 05:54:17,974
their strategies and provided even,

5983
05:54:17,974 --> 05:54:20,570
you know, a response to what they've heard at each

5984
05:54:20,570 --> 05:54:25,457
of those meetings, each time Understood that the stormwater

5985
05:54:27,347 --> 05:54:30,647
piping is something that I simultaneously understand what

5986
05:54:30,647 --> 05:54:33,356
it's trying to accomplish and the specific concern.

5987
05:54:33,356 --> 05:54:35,273
It's trying to speak to.

5988
05:54:35,273 --> 05:54:39,377
But this is just to kind of cede the conversation that will later

5989
05:54:39,377 --> 05:54:40,157
happen.

5990
05:54:40,157 --> 05:54:42,115
I see what it's trying to accomplish right ?

5991
05:54:42,115 --> 05:54:44,296
We know that in the northern part of this parcel

5992
05:54:44,296 --> 05:54:45,387
there are drainage issues.

5993
05:54:45,387 --> 05:54:48,647
And it's trying to make it so that there is clarity

5994
05:54:48,647 --> 05:54:51,407
that the water on the upper part of the parcel

5995
05:54:51,407 --> 05:54:54,550
will actually get to the stormwater retention I get it,

5996
05:54:54,550 --> 05:54:56,940
but I'm also looking at it.

5997
05:54:56,940 --> 05:54:58,294
And I'm seeing if this is creating

5998
05:54:58,294 --> 05:55:03,677
a piece of infrastructure that will need replace and repair,

5999
05:55:03,677 --> 05:55:05,837
which is currently the exact debacle

6000
05:55:05,837 --> 05:55:09,110
that the neighbors are grappling with.

6001
05:55:09,110 --> 05:55:13,397
So this is a point of frustration with me

6002
05:55:13,397 --> 05:55:15,587
that, yes, it's resolving potentially

6003
05:55:15,587 --> 05:55:17,207
part of the problem of stormwater

6004
05:55:17,207 --> 05:55:21,197
pooling on the Northern parcel, but introducing

6005
05:55:21,197 --> 05:55:24,197
another problem which is creating

6006
05:55:24,647 --> 05:55:27,707
a piece of infrastructure that will be on future residents

6007
05:55:27,707 --> 05:55:30,597
to repair replace 20 to 30 years from now.

6008
05:55:30,597 --> 05:55:31,970
Right.

6009
05:55:31,970 --> 05:55:32,809
Like retrenching is expensive.

6010
05:55:32,809 --> 05:55:35,272
It sucks not wants to do it.

6011
05:55:35,272 --> 05:55:38,177
And it's never covered by your insurance

6012
05:55:38,177 --> 05:55:41,119
I assume it's not covered by HOA insurance in so far

6013
05:55:41,119 --> 05:55:42,770
as such a thing exists.

6014
05:55:42,770 --> 05:55:42,619
I don't know.

6015
05:55:42,619 --> 05:55:45,190
Not nature way water.

6016
05:55:45,767 --> 05:55:47,767
I can you.

6017
05:55:48,649 --> 05:55:50,357
I want to make sure I got this correctly.

6018
05:55:50,357 --> 05:55:54,407
There's the amenity area proffered the amenity areas not

6019
05:55:54,407 --> 05:55:58,667
bound to a specific place, but it's notionally

6020
05:55:58,667 --> 05:56:00,137
drawn on our map.

6021
05:56:00,137 --> 05:56:03,437
And it sounds like if I heard correctly, the amenity proper

6022
05:56:03,437 --> 05:56:07,307
is not required based on the number of units

6023
05:56:07,307 --> 05:56:09,307
Is that accurate?

6024
05:56:09,527 --> 05:56:11,527
Yes.

6025
05:56:11,668 --> 05:56:16,397
And i recognize we're not in a position

6026
05:56:16,397 --> 05:56:17,567
to do anything about this.

6027
05:56:17,567 --> 05:56:20,687
I find this frustrating because it

6028
05:56:20,687 --> 05:56:24,317
acts like it is something that is being given given to us

6029
05:56:24,317 --> 05:56:27,770
as the county, as the public, as the representatives

6030
05:56:27,770 --> 05:56:29,870
of the public as something that is protecting

6031
05:56:29,870 --> 05:56:32,947
their interests by potentially creating a problem which

6032
05:56:32,947 --> 05:56:36,672
is removing a level of flexibility from the plan

6033
05:56:36,672 --> 05:56:39,154
to try and make it better in other ways,

6034
05:56:39,154 --> 05:56:42,617
because at some point, they have to accommodate a certain size

6035
05:56:42,617 --> 05:56:46,417
footprint and I don't know, I guess

6036
05:56:46,417 --> 05:56:48,917
i'm bringing this up because it seems like something that we

6037
05:56:48,917 --> 05:56:52,457
as a county need to potentially be better about communicating

6038
05:56:52,457 --> 05:56:57,207
and messaging what we think and want on amenity areas.

6039
05:56:57,207 --> 05:56:57,707
Right.

6040
05:56:57,707 --> 05:57:00,445
Because like, well, look at that thing Ain't

6041
05:57:00,445 --> 05:57:02,237
nobody got to use that for anything, right?

6042
05:57:02,237 --> 05:57:04,970
It's not a meaningful amenity area.

6043
05:57:04,970 --> 05:57:06,977
And I think we can all like in our secret heart of hearts,

6044
05:57:06,977 --> 05:57:08,717
acknowledge that most of these top lots

6045
05:57:08,717 --> 05:57:10,259
aren't being used for a lot of things

6046
05:57:10,259 --> 05:57:12,470
when they're below a certain size.

6047
05:57:12,470 --> 05:57:15,827
And I feel that when I look at the notional amenity area

6048
05:57:15,827 --> 05:57:17,887
here, what it does do is it makes it

6049
05:57:17,887 --> 05:57:22,753
so that you have to negotiate eight massing around that right?

6050
05:57:22,753 --> 05:57:26,900
It makes it so that, oh, if some part of this plan

6051
05:57:26,900 --> 05:57:29,687
changes and allows massing to change and shift,

6052
05:57:29,687 --> 05:57:33,737
you've still got to preserve and retain that piece.

6053
05:57:33,737 --> 05:57:36,227
And so basically they've proffered something

6054
05:57:36,227 --> 05:57:37,907
that makes it harder for the development

6055
05:57:37,907 --> 05:57:41,147
to be good as it goes forward through the next stages

6056
05:57:41,147 --> 05:57:41,657
of approval.

6057
05:57:41,657 --> 05:57:43,547
If it's approved here tonight.

6058
05:57:43,547 --> 05:57:46,949
And that's more just me ranting for a little bit here.

6059
05:57:46,949 --> 05:57:48,616
And this is also interesting because I'm

6060
05:57:48,616 --> 05:57:50,484
realizing the amenity area I've been ranting about

6061
05:57:50,484 --> 05:57:51,737
is not on the screen at all.

6062
05:57:51,737 --> 05:57:55,680
It's on one of the other things.

6063
05:57:55,680 --> 05:57:57,170
Unless i'm tripping, Right.

6064
05:57:57,170 --> 05:57:58,559
It's supposed to be like right there.

6065
05:57:58,559 --> 05:58:03,712
There is there is I think that's all I have at this stage.

6066
05:58:03,712 --> 05:58:05,837
And I have more for the applicant unless I'm sorry.

6067
05:58:05,837 --> 05:58:06,337
Mr. Meyers.

6068
05:58:06,337 --> 05:58:08,817
And they just wouldn't mind back to the stormwater thing.

6069
05:58:08,817 --> 05:58:09,317
I just.

6070
05:58:09,317 --> 05:58:09,859
Yeah, please.

6071
05:58:09,859 --> 05:58:13,101
The points really are is water going to transversal

6072
05:58:13,101 --> 05:58:14,207
on the other property?

6073
05:58:14,207 --> 05:58:16,367
And I think it's one of the concerns

6074
05:58:16,367 --> 05:58:17,959
and we don't think that it will.

6075
05:58:17,959 --> 05:58:20,297
We think that the engineering department is locked in.

6076
05:58:20,297 --> 05:58:23,417
The applicant will be able to keep the water on their site.

6077
05:58:23,417 --> 05:58:25,157
The conveyance system that you're seeing,

6078
05:58:25,157 --> 05:58:27,527
there's sort of like to further illustrate

6079
05:58:27,527 --> 05:58:31,397
how that would be put on to retain on their property That

6080
05:58:31,397 --> 05:58:33,677
will be something that is required by both state

6081
05:58:33,677 --> 05:58:38,534
and local regulations to keep your point about the expense

6082
05:58:38,534 --> 05:58:41,897
that's taken that's going to be with all of the amenities

6083
05:58:41,897 --> 05:58:44,387
that we're looking to for the ordinance,

6084
05:58:44,387 --> 05:58:46,487
whether it's this parcel or any other development

6085
05:58:46,487 --> 05:58:47,657
that we review.

6086
05:58:47,657 --> 05:58:48,377
Sure.

6087
05:58:48,377 --> 05:58:52,997
And remind me is the is the inlet piping,

6088
05:58:52,997 --> 05:58:56,927
is that formally proffered and therefore require moving forward

6089
05:58:56,927 --> 05:58:59,270
or this is notional It's required

6090
05:58:59,270 --> 05:59:02,147
regardless for any property that would develop like this.

6091
05:59:02,147 --> 05:59:04,547
It's covered via ordinance into a Q regulations.

6092
05:59:04,547 --> 05:59:07,547
So there wouldn't it wouldn't there

6093
05:59:07,547 --> 05:59:10,855
wasn't anything any impact identified that a proffer would

6094
05:59:10,855 --> 05:59:12,325
need to address.

6095
05:59:12,325 --> 05:59:15,960
Or the developer would need to address uniquely on this site.

6096
05:59:15,960 --> 05:59:17,429
And that's why you're seeing it on the illustrative plan

6097
05:59:17,429 --> 05:59:20,162
and not on if the previous plan had

6098
05:59:20,162 --> 05:59:24,797
to provide that by ordinance, not by proffer Understood.

6099
05:59:24,797 --> 05:59:28,397
Thank you That's all I have.

6100
05:59:29,117 --> 05:59:30,897
Supervisor Missile.

6101
05:59:30,897 --> 05:59:31,397
Great.

6102
05:59:31,397 --> 05:59:32,870
Thank you.

6103
05:59:32,870 --> 05:59:34,291
A lot of my questions have been answered by staff.

6104
05:59:34,291 --> 05:59:34,916
A bunch.

6105
05:59:34,916 --> 05:59:36,523
I just want to run through.

6106
05:59:36,523 --> 05:59:39,349
So this one's kind of subjective, I guess.

6107
05:59:39,349 --> 05:59:42,470
In addition to changes that you noted

6108
05:59:42,470 --> 05:59:44,209
that were the result of the Planning Commission

6109
05:59:44,209 --> 05:59:46,997
or at least between the Planning Commission recommendation

6110
05:59:46,997 --> 05:59:47,657
and for denial.

6111
05:59:47,657 --> 05:59:51,377
And today, are you aware of any conversations

6112
05:59:51,377 --> 05:59:55,577
the applicants had with the adjacent homeowners?

6113
05:59:55,787 --> 05:59:58,217
I will defer to the applicant on that.

6114
05:59:58,217 --> 05:59:59,897
Sounds good.

6115
05:59:59,897 --> 06:00:01,578
You mentioned the Crozet master plan

6116
06:00:01,578 --> 06:00:03,947
is this area is not changed on the master plan

6117
06:00:03,947 --> 06:00:08,457
since its inception in 2005, correct I heard that correctly,

6118
06:00:08,457 --> 06:00:08,957
yes.

6119
06:00:08,957 --> 06:00:14,247
So I went back to the original cities transect map with the.

6120
06:00:14,247 --> 06:00:15,217
OK.

6121
06:00:15,217 --> 06:00:19,470
And you used or someone use the word feasibility at one point.

6122
06:00:19,470 --> 06:00:19,547
Right.

6123
06:00:19,547 --> 06:00:21,317
And I'm also kind of side note, trying

6124
06:00:21,317 --> 06:00:25,670
to keep separate in my mind site plan related issues and zoning

6125
06:00:25,670 --> 06:00:25,937
issues Right.

6126
06:00:25,937 --> 06:00:28,214
And I think that's a critically important thing

6127
06:00:28,214 --> 06:00:30,470
because some of the stuff we're talking about is really more

6128
06:00:30,470 --> 06:00:31,370
site plan review.

6129
06:00:31,370 --> 06:00:33,767
And I know you guys have mentioned that,

6130
06:00:33,767 --> 06:00:37,322
but in terms of feasibility there's on this plan,

6131
06:00:37,322 --> 06:00:42,170
there's a couple of references to private streets and access.

6132
06:00:42,170 --> 06:00:46,970
And I'm aware of some issues with access easements in order

6133
06:00:46,970 --> 06:00:49,578
for staff to support this plan.

6134
06:00:49,578 --> 06:00:52,670
Did you all confirm them that the access easements

6135
06:00:52,670 --> 06:00:55,727
are actually, in fact, there and legal and available?

6136
06:00:55,727 --> 06:01:01,727
Or does that become discovery in the site plan process?

6137
06:01:02,597 --> 06:01:05,957
So the two main access points are

6138
06:01:05,957 --> 06:01:08,327
from existing, publicly dedicated

6139
06:01:08,327 --> 06:01:14,327
right of way from quarry farm and from Colony Drive.

6140
06:01:14,657 --> 06:01:18,557
And then the easement and Wendy Knoll

6141
06:01:18,557 --> 06:01:24,850
is a private access that extends from little Fox Lane.

6142
06:01:24,850 --> 06:01:27,570
Ultimately up to serve 330 when you know a lane.

6143
06:01:27,570 --> 06:01:30,111
So could you point to that on here just so I'm.

6144
06:01:30,111 --> 06:01:31,940
Yeah, I understand.

6145
06:01:31,940 --> 06:01:32,701
I'm sorry for everybody else.

6146
06:01:32,701 --> 06:01:36,341
So this is what is named Wendy no Lane that comes up

6147
06:01:36,341 --> 06:01:43,541
from little Fox and the easement is for access across the owners.

6148
06:01:44,537 --> 06:01:47,867
The developer of this proposal to serve.

6149
06:01:47,867 --> 06:01:50,867
330 So it's for their access.

6150
06:01:53,897 --> 06:01:57,497
There isn't anything that we found,

6151
06:01:57,992 --> 06:02:01,552
we can't speak to the private agreements,

6152
06:02:01,552 --> 06:02:06,950
but the access would continue and be available for 330.

6153
06:02:06,950 --> 06:02:11,150
And then, of course, there is potentially

6154
06:02:11,687 --> 06:02:16,907
a crossing of across, across it and improvements potential.

6155
06:02:16,907 --> 06:02:21,107
But we didn't identify any other concerns.

6156
06:02:23,870 --> 06:02:24,207
And to.

6157
06:02:24,207 --> 06:02:24,707
Go ahead.

6158
06:02:24,707 --> 06:02:25,367
Go ahead.

6159
06:02:25,367 --> 06:02:25,867
No.

6160
06:02:25,867 --> 06:02:29,237
After you know, I was just going to say the other identified

6161
06:02:29,237 --> 06:02:31,397
private street on the top of the slide there.

6162
06:02:31,397 --> 06:02:33,170
Yeah, that's another easement area

6163
06:02:33,170 --> 06:02:34,789
that you may be asking about as well.

6164
06:02:34,789 --> 06:02:37,767
That and also to the right where it says Private Street.

6165
06:02:37,767 --> 06:02:38,267
Okay.

6166
06:02:38,267 --> 06:02:40,967
So to the latter one the one and Ralph Colony

6167
06:02:40,967 --> 06:02:43,757
Drive that large part of the reason why that's not

6168
06:02:43,757 --> 06:02:47,917
a public street is you can kind of see there's a full pinch

6169
06:02:47,917 --> 06:02:52,110
point Yeah, that area parcel you know

6170
06:02:52,110 --> 06:02:55,970
the 330 parcel kind of comes in there and creates

6171
06:02:55,970 --> 06:02:55,877
or pinch point.

6172
06:02:55,877 --> 06:02:57,252
That's one of the reasons that we

6173
06:02:57,252 --> 06:03:00,477
weren't able to extend a public street from Colony drive

6174
06:03:00,477 --> 06:03:02,477
because we didn't have the developer didn't have

6175
06:03:02,477 --> 06:03:03,767
the right of way, and we were certainly were

6176
06:03:03,767 --> 06:03:05,927
pushed for a public street in that area.

6177
06:03:05,927 --> 06:03:07,907
And you're talking about the area that's

6178
06:03:07,907 --> 06:03:10,410
marked private street at the top or bottom

6179
06:03:10,410 --> 06:03:12,981
or I was trying to catch you in the order you were coming up

6180
06:03:12,981 --> 06:03:13,810
from the lower one.

6181
06:03:13,810 --> 06:03:14,473
Lower, Right.

6182
06:03:14,473 --> 06:03:14,805
OK.

6183
06:03:14,805 --> 06:03:15,136
Yes.

6184
06:03:15,136 --> 06:03:15,468
Yes.

6185
06:03:15,468 --> 06:03:16,426
And you see that point?

6186
06:03:16,426 --> 06:03:18,135
That's and that is part of the reason why

6187
06:03:18,135 --> 06:03:20,357
you're seeing a private street extended in that area.

6188
06:03:20,357 --> 06:03:22,907
So the private street can be narrower therefore,

6189
06:03:22,907 --> 06:03:27,377
and get by that point, we don't have the 50ft of right away

6190
06:03:27,377 --> 06:03:29,159
in that area or extend a public street.

6191
06:03:29,159 --> 06:03:31,367
There's a private street shown and the private street

6192
06:03:31,367 --> 06:03:36,887
can access three dwelling units three dwelling units, max Yeah,

6193
06:03:36,887 --> 06:03:38,887
Private street access.

6194
06:03:39,254 --> 06:03:40,611
OK.

6195
06:03:40,611 --> 06:03:44,147
Well, there's not a limit to the number

6196
06:03:44,147 --> 06:03:47,147
of private streets per say.

6197
06:03:47,207 --> 06:03:50,447
There is sort of a tier of private streets,

6198
06:03:50,447 --> 06:03:54,647
share driveways would serve to private streets.

6199
06:03:55,877 --> 06:03:59,807
There are certain again, tiers and standards

6200
06:03:59,807 --> 06:04:01,370
based on the number of lots.

6201
06:04:01,370 --> 06:04:04,667
That's two or fewer, 3 to 5 and then five or more.

6202
06:04:04,667 --> 06:04:08,162
It's not prohibited I see based on the number of lots

6203
06:04:08,162 --> 06:04:09,852
that you can't have a private street,

6204
06:04:09,852 --> 06:04:11,477
but they're very specific circumstances

6205
06:04:11,477 --> 06:04:13,937
where private streets are allowed to be served

6206
06:04:13,937 --> 06:04:15,917
in the development areas.

6207
06:04:15,917 --> 06:04:21,287
What unit type and it is set up between agent and planning

6208
06:04:21,287 --> 06:04:23,339
commission approval in some cases,

6209
06:04:23,339 --> 06:04:24,797
planning Commission approval may be

6210
06:04:24,797 --> 06:04:28,769
necessary for a private street Got it.

6211
06:04:28,769 --> 06:04:29,936
And that would be a process.

6212
06:04:29,936 --> 06:04:33,407
They would still have to go through Yes, I

6213
06:04:33,407 --> 06:04:35,570
felt I mentioned in my presentation,

6214
06:04:35,570 --> 06:04:37,547
you may have seen in the PC packet planning commission

6215
06:04:37,547 --> 06:04:41,427
packet a couple of very specific waivers,

6216
06:04:41,427 --> 06:04:43,247
but this is a concept plan.

6217
06:04:43,247 --> 06:04:45,587
And we felt it was more appropriate to go

6218
06:04:45,587 --> 06:04:47,417
through the final process of approval

6219
06:04:47,417 --> 06:04:50,477
for the streets site plan, where we had all of the details

6220
06:04:50,477 --> 06:04:54,677
as you anticipate in my next question.

6221
06:04:55,427 --> 06:04:59,627
Thank you The and the upper which

6222
06:05:00,521 --> 06:05:03,677
is private street at the top with the orange triangle, that's

6223
06:05:03,677 --> 06:05:07,907
another easement right It was in the I

6224
06:05:07,907 --> 06:05:12,655
think it was in a key on one of the drawings that purple area.

6225
06:05:12,655 --> 06:05:13,785
There you go.

6226
06:05:13,785 --> 06:05:19,637
It's purple, not orange This is a that's an access easement.

6227
06:05:19,637 --> 06:05:23,837
And that is an easement that's already

6228
06:05:24,287 --> 06:05:28,780
in place from the planning of quarry Farm.

6229
06:05:28,780 --> 06:05:28,578
Right.

6230
06:05:28,578 --> 06:05:29,780
Okay.

6231
06:05:29,780 --> 06:05:33,587
And a private street would establish the right of way

6232
06:05:33,587 --> 06:05:34,817
for the private street.

6233
06:05:34,817 --> 06:05:37,427
That would serve this north building zone.

6234
06:05:37,427 --> 06:05:38,627
Yeah, wouldn't it?

6235
06:05:38,627 --> 06:05:39,137
Yes.

6236
06:05:39,137 --> 06:05:41,179
Applicant would have to obtain an easement there.

6237
06:05:41,179 --> 06:05:46,937
Right Well, it's there's no triangle there is a yes,

6238
06:05:46,937 --> 06:05:48,437
there is overlap.

6239
06:05:48,437 --> 06:05:50,452
There's a triangle within the triangle Yes.

6240
06:05:50,452 --> 06:05:55,667
Believe is what you're referring to now right here where there is

6241
06:05:55,667 --> 06:05:58,697
and I'm sure the applicant will elaborate further.

6242
06:05:58,697 --> 06:06:02,441
There is quarry Farm, there's right away for Eastern Avenue.

6243
06:06:02,441 --> 06:06:04,684
And then there is quarry Farm, open space,

6244
06:06:04,684 --> 06:06:08,507
and an already granted easement from quarry Farm over there,

6245
06:06:08,507 --> 06:06:12,617
open space, very tiny little triangle within that triangle

6246
06:06:12,617 --> 06:06:14,507
that we've dedicated years ago.

6247
06:06:14,507 --> 06:06:15,596
Just to be clear.

6248
06:06:15,596 --> 06:06:16,255
Got it.

6249
06:06:16,255 --> 06:06:16,913
Thank you.

6250
06:06:16,913 --> 06:06:18,670
And so this may be a question.

6251
06:06:18,670 --> 06:06:21,954
I don't know for counsel that the easement,

6252
06:06:21,954 --> 06:06:23,537
if there are discrepancies or if there

6253
06:06:23,537 --> 06:06:25,547
are issues with the easement, that staff

6254
06:06:25,547 --> 06:06:30,227
is not aware of, when will that be discussed?

6255
06:06:30,227 --> 06:06:33,376
Is that at the site plan where you'll go find?

6256
06:06:33,376 --> 06:06:37,247
They'll have the which easements that you will use any access

6257
06:06:37,247 --> 06:06:39,827
easement if, for example, coming in at the bottom right hand

6258
06:06:39,827 --> 06:06:41,687
corner, if the pinch point is too narrow

6259
06:06:41,687 --> 06:06:43,520
and they can't fit a private street in there

6260
06:06:43,520 --> 06:06:45,842
for some reason, that would be determined.

6261
06:06:45,842 --> 06:06:47,137
That site plan.

6262
06:06:47,137 --> 06:06:47,784
Right.

6263
06:06:47,784 --> 06:06:52,584
OK Talked about interconnecting streets a little bit.

6264
06:06:57,647 --> 06:07:03,677
So the stormwater i mean Yeah I think this was mentioned that

6265
06:07:03,677 --> 06:07:06,707
just by what I mean by regulation stormwater cannot

6266
06:07:06,707 --> 06:07:08,417
spill over to adjacent properties right?

6267
06:07:08,417 --> 06:07:10,697
They have to capture it on their own property.

6268
06:07:10,697 --> 06:07:12,947
That's going to be a site plan requirement

6269
06:07:12,947 --> 06:07:17,207
Quality and quantity have to be captured on their site plan.

6270
06:07:17,207 --> 06:07:19,905
Are there any i may have missed this?

6271
06:07:19,905 --> 06:07:25,305
Are there any tree preservation requirements and/or proffers

6272
06:07:25,427 --> 06:07:28,427
or offers in this plan?

6273
06:07:28,727 --> 06:07:33,132
There are the there are the proffers in the the

6274
06:07:33,132 --> 06:07:34,311
for the buffers.

6275
06:07:34,311 --> 06:07:36,790
There aren't there buffer piece.

6276
06:07:36,790 --> 06:07:39,167
But not any specific tree preservation areas.

6277
06:07:39,167 --> 06:07:42,234
No, there wasn't a tree conservation plan that one.

6278
06:07:42,234 --> 06:07:43,484
That's what I was looking for.

6279
06:07:43,484 --> 06:07:43,990
Got it.

6280
06:07:43,990 --> 06:07:45,990
Thanks.

6281
06:07:47,867 --> 06:07:53,912
On page nine nine there's a note in the upper left.

6282
06:07:53,912 --> 06:07:55,300
That's kind of cut off.

6283
06:07:55,300 --> 06:07:56,717
No specific improvements are shown

6284
06:07:56,717 --> 06:07:58,697
to demonstrate feasibility of concept that

6285
06:07:58,697 --> 06:08:01,697
are for demonstration purposes only.

6286
06:08:01,817 --> 06:08:06,747
Site layout is regulated by sheet for concept plan

6287
06:08:06,747 --> 06:08:11,667
Can you go to sheet for this is sheet for yes.

6288
06:08:11,667 --> 06:08:12,975
Sheet five and 6.

6289
06:08:12,975 --> 06:08:14,284
In the upper right.

6290
06:08:14,284 --> 06:08:18,484
It says of this is thank you.

6291
06:08:22,322 --> 06:08:25,742
This is actually sheet five is the same as sheet four.

6292
06:08:25,742 --> 06:08:29,870
Except that the blue and red arrows

6293
06:08:29,870 --> 06:08:33,887
are shown to demonstrate the vehicular and pedestrian

6294
06:08:34,187 --> 06:08:38,869
circulation I don't have sheet for in the slide show,

6295
06:08:38,869 --> 06:08:40,280
but it's very similar to.

6296
06:08:40,280 --> 06:08:40,528
OK.

6297
06:08:40,528 --> 06:08:43,985
So that would be what governs not the other one.

6298
06:08:43,985 --> 06:08:44,657
Previous one.

6299
06:08:44,657 --> 06:08:45,797
Got it.

6300
06:08:45,797 --> 06:08:50,837
And i just want to make sure I'm getting this right.

6301
06:08:50,837 --> 06:08:55,157
So the 11 dwelling units, Max, the north and the 11 dwelling

6302
06:08:55,157 --> 06:08:59,267
units, max on the south can only total up to 18 dwelling units.

6303
06:08:59,267 --> 06:09:00,887
Right Yes.

6304
06:09:00,887 --> 06:09:02,567
Is there anything that's preventing them

6305
06:09:02,567 --> 06:09:05,597
from putting in 18 dwelling units in the north and nine

6306
06:09:05,597 --> 06:09:06,947
at the bottom?

6307
06:09:06,947 --> 06:09:08,279
Yes Okay.

6308
06:09:08,279 --> 06:09:13,116
That's that is this plan and the proffer and the proffer.

6309
06:09:13,116 --> 06:09:13,670
OK.

6310
06:09:13,670 --> 06:09:14,500
Got it.

6311
06:09:14,500 --> 06:09:17,217
Another we put our total on the site.

6312
06:09:17,217 --> 06:09:17,717
Yeah.

6313
06:09:17,717 --> 06:09:20,658
And no more than 11 on either the upper or lower.

6314
06:09:20,658 --> 06:09:23,387
One of the like ten at the upper one they

6315
06:09:23,387 --> 06:09:24,977
could put eight in the lower one.

6316
06:09:24,977 --> 06:09:26,777
That type of effect Got it.

6317
06:09:26,777 --> 06:09:28,777
Thank you.

6318
06:09:31,650 --> 06:09:34,665
Just make sure I'm getting everything

6319
06:09:41,207 --> 06:09:42,167
I think that covers it.

6320
06:09:42,167 --> 06:09:43,457
Thank you.

6321
06:09:43,457 --> 06:09:47,657
Supervisor Stoker thank you for the presentation

6322
06:09:48,197 --> 06:09:53,147
and my my understanding is that the residents would

6323
06:09:53,147 --> 06:09:57,347
like fewer homes in the north section

6324
06:09:57,677 --> 06:09:59,207
and more in the South section.

6325
06:09:59,207 --> 06:10:04,700
Correct I am not sure if that was

6326
06:10:04,877 --> 06:10:06,973
One of the public comments in the minutes or not.

6327
06:10:06,973 --> 06:10:07,925
OK, It wasn't.

6328
06:10:07,925 --> 06:10:10,627
But when I went out there and met with them,

6329
06:10:10,627 --> 06:10:12,844
that seemed to be the desire for.

6330
06:10:12,844 --> 06:10:14,987
And the information we're getting the emails

6331
06:10:14,987 --> 06:10:17,810
were getting that they wanted more.

6332
06:10:17,810 --> 06:10:21,410
The Southern part, but my understanding.

6333
06:10:22,760 --> 06:10:27,227
There's they can't have more in the southern part without having

6334
06:10:27,227 --> 06:10:29,357
the private street be a public road.

6335
06:10:29,357 --> 06:10:31,357
Correct.

6336
06:10:31,727 --> 06:10:36,357
The southern area does bring challenges in terms of access.

6337
06:10:36,357 --> 06:10:36,857
Right.

6338
06:10:36,857 --> 06:10:40,667
And if it was a public road, if they had enough area,

6339
06:10:40,667 --> 06:10:44,477
then they could put more homes in the southern area.

6340
06:10:44,477 --> 06:10:47,570
But they it has to be a private street because

6341
06:10:47,570 --> 06:10:51,917
of the size, the limited access they have there, correct?

6342
06:10:51,917 --> 06:10:53,387
Yes Okay.

6343
06:10:53,387 --> 06:10:56,327
And I think at the site plan level,

6344
06:10:56,327 --> 06:11:00,527
they're going to actually decide how many buildings they want

6345
06:11:00,527 --> 06:11:03,687
in the northern part, how many they want in the southern part

6346
06:11:03,687 --> 06:11:04,187
Correct.

6347
06:11:04,187 --> 06:11:06,227
Right now, they have that flexibility.

6348
06:11:06,227 --> 06:11:09,557
It's 18 total, but they can there's 22.

6349
06:11:09,557 --> 06:11:11,807
But they can only put in 18.

6350
06:11:11,807 --> 06:11:16,370
But they can do any combination they want as long as it fits.

6351
06:11:16,370 --> 06:11:18,370
Yes, that's okay.

6352
06:11:18,708 --> 06:11:23,975
Write right And if you could go to I think it's nine number,

6353
06:11:23,975 --> 06:11:25,975
slide nine Okay.

6354
06:11:27,677 --> 06:11:33,347
So the little green rectangle to the left of the northern path,

6355
06:11:33,347 --> 06:11:35,270
that's amenity area.

6356
06:11:35,270 --> 06:11:39,527
Do you know what that with the size of that is about?

6357
06:11:39,527 --> 06:11:42,537
Or should I say again, I would ask the applicant to have that.

6358
06:11:42,537 --> 06:11:43,370
Oh i see.

6359
06:11:43,370 --> 06:11:44,147
Applicant I think it.

6360
06:11:44,147 --> 06:11:45,197
Yeah.

6361
06:11:45,197 --> 06:11:46,370
Pardon.

6362
06:11:46,370 --> 06:11:47,687
I would ask the applicant.

6363
06:11:47,687 --> 06:11:48,263
OK.

6364
06:11:48,263 --> 06:11:48,839
Okay.

6365
06:11:48,839 --> 06:11:51,719
And then there is a path, a walking path

6366
06:11:51,719 --> 06:11:56,519
from the northern part to the southern part.

6367
06:11:56,867 --> 06:12:02,117
And that's so that they can access either Corey Farm road.

6368
06:12:02,117 --> 06:12:05,177
Would that lead to the grocery store along

6369
06:12:05,177 --> 06:12:09,977
with going through the private street Colony Drive?

6370
06:12:10,697 --> 06:12:14,237
What would both of those go to the local grocery

6371
06:12:14,237 --> 06:12:18,677
store, which is, I think about a half mile away Yes.

6372
06:12:18,677 --> 06:12:22,487
There is a well with the Eastern Avenue

6373
06:12:22,487 --> 06:12:26,512
that would provide a fill in that would provide

6374
06:12:26,512 --> 06:12:27,731
the pedestrian facilities.

6375
06:12:27,731 --> 06:12:31,693
Right now, the paved path on the court on quarry Farm Road

6376
06:12:31,693 --> 06:12:34,700
starts down at Little Fox.

6377
06:12:34,700 --> 06:12:37,127
But there is a complete sidewalk system within Liberty Hall.

6378
06:12:37,127 --> 06:12:41,657
But it could provide for opportunity and either direction

6379
06:12:41,657 --> 06:12:42,347
Okay.

6380
06:12:42,347 --> 06:12:42,917
Got it.

6381
06:12:42,917 --> 06:12:44,687
And I understood.

6382
06:12:44,687 --> 06:12:48,557
Correct me if I'm wrong, is that on the northern part

6383
06:12:48,557 --> 06:12:52,247
on the right hand side, right next to Liberty Hall

6384
06:12:52,247 --> 06:12:59,447
that the applicant intends to keep as many trees as they can

6385
06:13:01,641 --> 06:13:03,608
They have indicated a willingness

6386
06:13:03,608 --> 06:13:06,756
but haven't committed with us a specific conservation

6387
06:13:06,756 --> 06:13:09,827
plan to which individual trees will be saved

6388
06:13:09,827 --> 06:13:12,617
and when would that be done At the site?

6389
06:13:12,617 --> 06:13:13,487
At the site plan.

6390
06:13:13,487 --> 06:13:15,927
So a lot of things are going to happen at the site plan.

6391
06:13:15,927 --> 06:13:16,434
OK.

6392
06:13:16,434 --> 06:13:18,461
Those are all my questions right now.

6393
06:13:18,461 --> 06:13:19,221
Thank you.

6394
06:13:19,221 --> 06:13:24,621
All right I'm just trying I have some questions

6395
06:13:26,220 --> 06:13:27,647
I think I'm going to hold until we hear

6396
06:13:27,647 --> 06:13:29,357
from the open the public hearing and hear

6397
06:13:29,357 --> 06:13:34,477
from the from the public and the applicant to ask them to follow.

6398
06:13:34,477 --> 06:13:35,477
If there's no objection.

6399
06:13:35,477 --> 06:13:37,881
Were there any other questions for staff before we do so?

6400
06:13:37,881 --> 06:13:39,437
I have a couple.

6401
06:13:39,437 --> 06:13:40,217
Yeah.

6402
06:13:40,217 --> 06:13:44,477
All right So in your description of further clarity

6403
06:13:44,477 --> 06:13:47,957
on the private street in the rural area,

6404
06:13:47,957 --> 06:13:51,707
the third unit requires a wider acceptable road.

6405
06:13:51,707 --> 06:13:55,517
But you're saying that now in the growth area between three

6406
06:13:55,517 --> 06:13:59,927
and five units has some other private road possibility?

6407
06:13:59,927 --> 06:14:02,627
We haven't That is the ordinance refers

6408
06:14:02,627 --> 06:14:05,553
to meeting Vidor's standards are it

6409
06:14:05,553 --> 06:14:11,525
just flexibility in the design and elements of the road

6410
06:14:11,525 --> 06:14:13,670
You know, for example, they recognize

6411
06:14:13,670 --> 06:14:16,427
they may not be able to get a sidewalk section on both sides.

6412
06:14:16,427 --> 06:14:20,597
They may be seeking sidewalk and street tree waivers on one side.

6413
06:14:20,597 --> 06:14:26,147
So there will be the travel lanes will meet standards.

6414
06:14:26,147 --> 06:14:30,470
It's where they may see classic flexibility

6415
06:14:30,470 --> 06:14:33,470
in the entire streets section.

6416
06:14:33,797 --> 06:14:36,617
So the window lane, that's currently like 11ft wide,

6417
06:14:36,617 --> 06:14:40,849
the whole thing that would be expected to go to 26.

6418
06:14:40,849 --> 06:14:42,857
So the standard for a shared driveway,

6419
06:14:42,857 --> 06:14:47,815
which serves only two lots, is ten feet wide for pavement.

6420
06:14:47,815 --> 06:14:50,858
But okay, my picture will probably i

6421
06:14:50,858 --> 06:14:52,246
can pull up a picture.

6422
06:14:52,246 --> 06:14:52,939
But anyway.

6423
06:14:52,939 --> 06:14:54,564
But it's now going to be expected

6424
06:14:54,564 --> 06:14:56,383
to do three or whatever.

6425
06:14:56,383 --> 06:15:00,737
I mean, there are three now on this tiny little

6426
06:15:00,737 --> 06:15:02,837
so they may feel hearing access.

6427
06:15:02,837 --> 06:15:07,637
They're not necessarily with the two access points.

6428
06:15:08,201 --> 06:15:11,987
It doesn't for example, windy no Lane

6429
06:15:11,987 --> 06:15:17,777
if it only serves its existing and the lots have been created

6430
06:15:17,777 --> 06:15:19,695
so it's the number of new lots when you get

6431
06:15:19,695 --> 06:15:20,987
into the subdivision ordinance.

6432
06:15:20,987 --> 06:15:25,607
So but it is a 20 foot access easement

6433
06:15:25,607 --> 06:15:28,937
that could be widened within that 20 foot access easement.

6434
06:15:28,937 --> 06:15:34,337
But the pavement width right now may maybe narrower

6435
06:15:34,344 --> 06:15:35,927
So they would be allowed to pave right

6436
06:15:35,927 --> 06:15:40,549
out to the end of their easement to get a fire truck in there.

6437
06:15:40,549 --> 06:15:41,437
For example.

6438
06:15:41,437 --> 06:15:42,621
But if that's.

6439
06:15:42,621 --> 06:15:48,621
Yes OK And I guess I'm just the word feasibility

6440
06:15:50,897 --> 06:15:54,242
and decided that site plan is still being mentioned every five

6441
06:15:54,242 --> 06:15:54,797
minutes here.

6442
06:15:54,797 --> 06:15:58,367
And that is a great uncertainty for everybody in the room.

6443
06:15:58,367 --> 06:16:01,457
So it's impacting the applicant as well.

6444
06:16:01,457 --> 06:16:05,417
So I think as much certainty as we can get during this process

6445
06:16:05,417 --> 06:16:08,657
will be really helpful for everyone going forward.

6446
06:16:08,657 --> 06:16:10,247
And I continue to ask questions.

6447
06:16:10,247 --> 06:16:12,647
Thank you Any other.

6448
06:16:14,217 --> 06:16:14,717
All right.

6449
06:16:14,717 --> 06:16:16,367
We'll open the public hearing.

6450
06:16:16,367 --> 06:16:17,575
Do we have folks signed up?

6451
06:16:17,575 --> 06:16:19,575
Claudette?

6452
06:16:21,137 --> 06:16:23,844
And if you're in the room and you have not signed up,

6453
06:16:23,844 --> 06:16:25,496
you will need to do so.

6454
06:16:25,496 --> 06:16:27,385
But the sign up does remain open.

6455
06:16:27,385 --> 06:16:32,785
It's down over here to the house right Okay.

6456
06:16:34,697 --> 06:16:36,407
We have in-person and online all the

6457
06:16:36,407 --> 06:16:38,567
read the rules of the road speakers

6458
06:16:38,567 --> 06:16:40,877
are limited to one up here.

6459
06:16:40,877 --> 06:16:43,917
There was a question here Go ahead.

6460
06:16:43,917 --> 06:16:44,417
You're good.

6461
06:16:44,417 --> 06:16:45,470
Okay.

6462
06:16:45,470 --> 06:16:46,487
Speakers are limited to one appearance

6463
06:16:46,487 --> 06:16:47,417
of up to three minutes.

6464
06:16:47,417 --> 06:16:48,797
Applicants are allowed ten minutes

6465
06:16:48,797 --> 06:16:51,500
for their presentation and five minutes for rebuttal.

6466
06:16:51,500 --> 06:16:53,477
At the close of the hearing In person, speakers

6467
06:16:53,477 --> 06:16:56,477
will be heard first, followed by online, online participants

6468
06:16:56,477 --> 06:16:59,187
coordinated by the clerk to ensure equal treatment

6469
06:16:59,187 --> 06:17:00,437
and courtesy for all speakers.

6470
06:17:00,437 --> 06:17:01,884
The board requests that the following guidelines

6471
06:17:01,884 --> 06:17:02,625
be observed.

6472
06:17:02,625 --> 06:17:03,859
Please state your name.

6473
06:17:03,859 --> 06:17:05,403
And if you live now Monroe County,

6474
06:17:05,403 --> 06:17:06,820
your magisterial district comments

6475
06:17:06,820 --> 06:17:08,447
should be directed to the board as a whole.

6476
06:17:08,447 --> 06:17:10,157
Written statement to supporting materials

6477
06:17:10,157 --> 06:17:12,347
may be provided to the clerk online.

6478
06:17:12,347 --> 06:17:15,317
Participants may also submit comments to the comment portal

6479
06:17:15,317 --> 06:17:18,287
or by email to the clerk If representing a group

6480
06:17:18,287 --> 06:17:19,967
or organization, and you may ask others

6481
06:17:19,967 --> 06:17:22,517
present to raise their hands in recognition.

6482
06:17:22,517 --> 06:17:25,517
Speakers may not share unused time with another speaker

6483
06:17:25,517 --> 06:17:27,311
back and forth debate is not permitted.

6484
06:17:27,311 --> 06:17:29,220
And speakers should not speak from their seat

6485
06:17:29,220 --> 06:17:31,130
or out of turn for in-person speakers.

6486
06:17:31,130 --> 06:17:32,777
The podium timer will guide your time.

6487
06:17:32,777 --> 06:17:34,697
Green indicate your time has begun.

6488
06:17:34,697 --> 06:17:36,767
Yellow means one minute remains in red

6489
06:17:36,767 --> 06:17:38,627
indicates your time has expired.

6490
06:17:38,627 --> 06:17:41,807
Online participants will be notified when time has expired

6491
06:17:41,807 --> 06:17:44,387
and microphones will be muted shortly thereafter.

6492
06:17:44,387 --> 06:17:46,637
All comments are recorded, live streamed and published

6493
06:17:46,637 --> 06:17:48,197
on the county website.

6494
06:17:48,197 --> 06:17:48,947
A couple of notes.

6495
06:17:48,947 --> 06:17:50,717
The sign up period does not close

6496
06:17:50,717 --> 06:17:53,717
once public comment begins, speakers

6497
06:17:54,167 --> 06:17:56,987
may sign up to speak during the duration of the public comment

6498
06:17:56,987 --> 06:17:58,370
period.

6499
06:17:58,370 --> 06:17:59,267
The podium is adjustable.

6500
06:17:59,267 --> 06:18:01,875
Speakers are encouraged to raise or lower it.

6501
06:18:01,875 --> 06:18:05,613
So they are able to speak directly into the microphone

6502
06:18:05,613 --> 06:18:08,357
that where we got the applicant first.

6503
06:18:08,357 --> 06:18:10,787
So we'll bring the applicant forward for the presentation

6504
06:18:10,787 --> 06:18:12,347
and then we go to our.

6505
06:18:12,347 --> 06:18:16,470
That's right, public comments Speakers over here.

6506
06:18:16,470 --> 06:18:16,547
There.

6507
06:18:16,547 --> 06:18:18,547
Thank you.

6508
06:18:19,485 --> 06:18:20,270
Good evening.

6509
06:18:20,270 --> 06:18:22,457
You got your ten minutes, Justin.

6510
06:18:22,457 --> 06:18:23,537
Thank you.

6511
06:18:23,537 --> 06:18:24,947
Good evening, everyone.

6512
06:18:24,947 --> 06:18:28,379
I'm supporting Justin Champagne engineer for this project.

6513
06:18:28,379 --> 06:18:30,587
I'm representing both Harrington and a friend of mine

6514
06:18:30,587 --> 06:18:32,867
and the owner of this Pride property.

6515
06:18:32,867 --> 06:18:35,327
Let me see if I can get this started.

6516
06:18:35,327 --> 06:18:40,397
There's a lot of good questions asked in this lead up

6517
06:18:40,397 --> 06:18:42,137
to the discussion here.

6518
06:18:42,137 --> 06:18:43,698
I will try to answer further.

6519
06:18:43,698 --> 06:18:46,217
Anything else and be happy to, of course, answer questions

6520
06:18:46,217 --> 06:18:46,757
at the end.

6521
06:18:46,757 --> 06:18:51,177
So the property here, Sean, you've seen this on the map

6522
06:18:51,177 --> 06:18:54,827
to for freshers or between Cory Farm Liberty Hall

6523
06:18:54,827 --> 06:18:56,447
and you see the Harris Teeter there.

6524
06:18:56,447 --> 06:18:56,947
Hello.

6525
06:18:56,947 --> 06:18:59,807
That is sort of a center that that area that we

6526
06:18:59,807 --> 06:19:02,357
talk about as the center of development

6527
06:19:02,357 --> 06:19:07,187
where you want to have your connectivity getting to it.

6528
06:19:07,187 --> 06:19:10,945
Our quest is 18 units on 3.1, 4, six acres.

6529
06:19:10,945 --> 06:19:12,113
That's about 5.7 years.

6530
06:19:12,113 --> 06:19:12,813
Thank you.

6531
06:19:12,813 --> 06:19:15,977
Just under six, which is the comprehensive plan

6532
06:19:15,977 --> 06:19:17,327
recommendation here.

6533
06:19:17,327 --> 06:19:21,527
As was noted, we have our 20% affordable housing and provide

6534
06:19:21,527 --> 06:19:24,377
and it is indeed in walking proximity to the shops.

6535
06:19:24,377 --> 06:19:28,427
It clearly on this project will enhance

6536
06:19:28,427 --> 06:19:31,877
the mix of units in the neighborhood in a higher density

6537
06:19:31,877 --> 06:19:35,127
compared to quarry farms and sparrow

6538
06:19:35,127 --> 06:19:36,210
Hill which were developed.

6539
06:19:36,210 --> 06:19:39,210
It's purely single family dwellings

6540
06:19:39,827 --> 06:19:42,146
that main update since the Planning Commission mean

6541
06:19:42,146 --> 06:19:45,257
that the 526 meeting was the addition of additional

6542
06:19:45,257 --> 06:19:49,419
was adding buffers and increased setback on the Liberty Hall side

6543
06:19:49,419 --> 06:19:51,377
I was one of the details of that with the floor

6544
06:19:51,377 --> 06:19:54,461
plan, some additional stormwater management details.

6545
06:19:54,461 --> 06:19:56,594
And then I'll go back one more meeting.

6546
06:19:56,594 --> 06:19:58,907
You heard some of those changes at the February one.

6547
06:19:58,907 --> 06:20:03,947
I think the big one was clarifying the shared use path.

6548
06:20:03,947 --> 06:20:06,677
We had a little bit of a unclear solution

6549
06:20:06,677 --> 06:20:09,107
to how we were going to get folks connected on the site.

6550
06:20:09,107 --> 06:20:10,577
At the first Planning Commission meeting.

6551
06:20:10,577 --> 06:20:11,952
And so we worked the staff and I,

6552
06:20:11,952 --> 06:20:15,553
I think a very good solution for connectivity for the site

6553
06:20:15,553 --> 06:20:20,297
and that was the main focus of the first planning Commission

6554
06:20:20,297 --> 06:20:20,897
meeting.

6555
06:20:20,897 --> 06:20:23,355
The amenity requirements that folks spoke of really, really

6556
06:20:23,355 --> 06:20:26,327
came out of response to the planning Commission request

6557
06:20:26,327 --> 06:20:28,700
after they heard from the residents

6558
06:20:28,700 --> 06:20:30,334
thinking that we needed amenities It is indeed

6559
06:20:30,334 --> 06:20:33,107
a double edged sword that the folks who live here ultimately

6560
06:20:33,107 --> 06:20:35,927
pay for those as their cost.

6561
06:20:35,927 --> 06:20:38,807
But I think that this particular area is not.

6562
06:20:38,807 --> 06:20:42,107
It's meets the ordinance requirements around 2000ft².

6563
06:20:42,107 --> 06:20:45,700
There's a certain number of square feet per unit two,

6564
06:20:45,700 --> 06:20:47,700
you're required to do in Section 416.

6565
06:20:47,700 --> 06:20:48,757
And so we proffered basically to follow

6566
06:20:48,757 --> 06:20:52,423
that as though we had more than 30 units, even though we have

6567
06:20:52,423 --> 06:20:54,467
fewer, as the code says 30 enough,

6568
06:20:54,467 --> 06:20:57,170
you have this requirement, our 18 would trigger it.

6569
06:20:57,170 --> 06:20:58,217
We proffered it anyway.

6570
06:20:58,217 --> 06:21:02,254
Essentially still amortize about this for a moment.

6571
06:21:02,254 --> 06:21:03,587
But I want to clarify something.

6572
06:21:03,587 --> 06:21:05,387
We don't believe this is a zoning issue.

6573
06:21:05,387 --> 06:21:07,462
We know it's a topic of interest for everybody

6574
06:21:07,462 --> 06:21:09,587
because it sounds like there's a big expense coming

6575
06:21:09,587 --> 06:21:12,677
for those folks that HOA maintaining upon the pond.

6576
06:21:12,677 --> 06:21:15,167
It's kind of off page north of us

6577
06:21:15,167 --> 06:21:18,437
where here is the limit of our property.

6578
06:21:18,437 --> 06:21:20,575
So water currently does drain that way,

6579
06:21:20,575 --> 06:21:22,783
is kind of a divisive issue in front of Hatcher here.

6580
06:21:22,783 --> 06:21:24,575
This orange drains this way along the site,

6581
06:21:24,575 --> 06:21:26,897
drains this way to our stormwater pond,

6582
06:21:26,897 --> 06:21:29,267
goes and has been discussed, you know,

6583
06:21:29,267 --> 06:21:32,195
whether we want to or not we have

6584
06:21:32,195 --> 06:21:35,609
to meet the D EMQQ mandated regulations for stormwater

6585
06:21:35,609 --> 06:21:36,109
management.

6586
06:21:36,109 --> 06:21:38,402
We cannot discharge large additional runoff

6587
06:21:38,402 --> 06:21:39,527
to our neighbor's property.

6588
06:21:39,527 --> 06:21:41,747
In fact, we have to reduce it So it goes

6589
06:21:41,747 --> 06:21:43,667
to our neighbor's property.

6590
06:21:43,667 --> 06:21:46,577
Ironically, the only caveat around the only loophole

6591
06:21:46,577 --> 06:21:50,567
to that requirement is if you develop a single family house,

6592
06:21:50,567 --> 06:21:52,337
less than one acre of disturbance

6593
06:21:52,337 --> 06:21:55,970
So if this is not zoned, one could

6594
06:21:55,970 --> 06:21:56,717
clear all the trees in here.

6595
06:21:56,717 --> 06:21:59,641
Take all of the tall grass out, convert it into driveway,

6596
06:21:59,641 --> 06:22:02,115
is a large house, a 6,000 square foot house,

6597
06:22:02,115 --> 06:22:04,697
and you haven't required to do any stormwater mitigation.

6598
06:22:04,697 --> 06:22:06,780
That's literally the only way you get around that.

6599
06:22:06,780 --> 06:22:09,317
So with this proposal, what are we going forward with?

6600
06:22:09,317 --> 06:22:11,680
More than one house permit?

6601
06:22:11,680 --> 06:22:13,937
Those requirements surrounding the site,

6602
06:22:13,937 --> 06:22:16,367
You've got a mix of single family.

6603
06:22:16,367 --> 06:22:20,270
You have some townhomes very similar to Liberty Hall.

6604
06:22:20,270 --> 06:22:22,787
Interesting map here shows the growth area

6605
06:22:22,787 --> 06:22:25,370
immediately adjacent to the center.

6606
06:22:25,370 --> 06:22:28,517
You'll see a predominantly single family mix

6607
06:22:28,517 --> 06:22:30,767
And so that's why we view that the six units nacre

6608
06:22:30,767 --> 06:22:33,827
the 5.7 units nacre here promoting townhomes

6609
06:22:33,827 --> 06:22:37,697
or attached product provides more housing opportunity

6610
06:22:37,697 --> 06:22:38,897
and a lower price point.

6611
06:22:38,897 --> 06:22:40,757
Housing opportunity for folks who

6612
06:22:40,757 --> 06:22:43,307
desire to live within walking distance of those amenities.

6613
06:22:43,307 --> 06:22:45,887
So comprehensive plan talks in numerous ways

6614
06:22:45,887 --> 06:22:48,647
about providing density near these centers.

6615
06:22:48,647 --> 06:22:50,717
We're not above the comprehensive plan density.

6616
06:22:50,717 --> 06:22:52,817
We feel it's appropriate to be right about that.

6617
06:22:52,817 --> 06:22:57,685
For all those reasons Here's a quick illustration of that two

6618
06:22:57,685 --> 06:23:00,801
shows that the walking shared is a part of the description.

6619
06:23:00,801 --> 06:23:02,503
This is the walking shed from our site.

6620
06:23:02,503 --> 06:23:05,372
And you see it picks up the ten minute walk and shed.

6621
06:23:05,372 --> 06:23:07,247
There's two years that we all the things that

6622
06:23:07,247 --> 06:23:09,356
are amenities for folks.

6623
06:23:09,356 --> 06:23:11,231
This is the point I'll stop for a minute here

6624
06:23:11,231 --> 06:23:15,377
is the red line here is where the comp plans show

6625
06:23:15,377 --> 06:23:18,665
a potential public street connection county drive through.

6626
06:23:18,665 --> 06:23:20,207
There's a couple of issues with that.

6627
06:23:20,207 --> 06:23:21,207
One is the right of way.

6628
06:23:21,207 --> 06:23:22,847
We don't have two.

6629
06:23:22,847 --> 06:23:26,147
Is the grade approaching from the end of our site

6630
06:23:26,147 --> 06:23:30,369
down is very difficult to recreate Tyria We looked at this

6631
06:23:30,369 --> 06:23:33,547
and said to ourselves, you know, it's

6632
06:23:33,547 --> 06:23:36,200
not I know it's been drawn now, but eventually there's

6633
06:23:36,200 --> 06:23:38,867
an Eastern connector coming this way, which you are working hard

6634
06:23:38,867 --> 06:23:41,717
to get built. There is this Oak Bluffs development

6635
06:23:41,717 --> 06:23:43,457
that on that last application plan

6636
06:23:43,457 --> 06:23:46,157
showed a picture connection right here.

6637
06:23:46,157 --> 06:23:48,527
So that closed the loop with an automobile.

6638
06:23:48,527 --> 06:23:50,670
But if i live over here.

6639
06:23:50,670 --> 06:23:52,547
And I want to take my bike over to here

6640
06:23:52,547 --> 06:23:56,797
or here, I do not want to go out and bike on route to 50,

6641
06:23:56,797 --> 06:23:58,470
down to hear Cedar.

6642
06:23:58,470 --> 06:23:59,902
So the shared use path we install here

6643
06:23:59,902 --> 06:24:02,270
will be a public shared use path that allowed folks

6644
06:24:02,270 --> 06:24:05,407
to get from this neighborhood through our site

6645
06:24:05,407 --> 06:24:06,407
and over to that center.

6646
06:24:06,407 --> 06:24:09,317
So we think that was the right solution for connectivity

6647
06:24:09,317 --> 06:24:09,859
for neighbor.

6648
06:24:09,859 --> 06:24:11,276
We want the staff to develop that.

6649
06:24:11,276 --> 06:24:15,470
That's part of what took some time for this.

6650
06:24:15,470 --> 06:24:16,288
So here's the concept plan.

6651
06:24:16,288 --> 06:24:18,500
This is the sheet for haircuts.

6652
06:24:18,500 --> 06:24:20,312
And this is what you're voting on is this drawing.

6653
06:24:20,312 --> 06:24:22,937
And there's a lot of hang up at the planning commission talking

6654
06:24:22,937 --> 06:24:25,970
about would there be townhomes here

6655
06:24:25,970 --> 06:24:29,447
and how far they apart from the other homes and the reality

6656
06:24:29,447 --> 06:24:32,917
is we don't know what we're going to put there I know it's

6657
06:24:32,917 --> 06:24:34,135
a desire of everyone to see.

6658
06:24:34,135 --> 06:24:36,677
And you're accustomed to seeing large developed plans, right?

6659
06:24:36,677 --> 06:24:39,917
Ten, 20, 30 acres where I have a neighborhood model.

6660
06:24:39,917 --> 06:24:41,447
So all the streets and the houses,

6661
06:24:41,447 --> 06:24:44,417
right as it were, working infill development.

6662
06:24:44,417 --> 06:24:46,967
And I think we had the lesson of the 999 project

6663
06:24:46,967 --> 06:24:49,817
to go from there with where we got the zoning approval was

6664
06:24:49,817 --> 06:24:53,207
very specific for two acres and we had to go back and change it.

6665
06:24:53,207 --> 06:24:55,427
But at the time it got zoned, the market

6666
06:24:55,427 --> 06:24:59,777
had shifted We're asking for here is are six zoning.

6667
06:24:59,777 --> 06:25:01,577
You have a plan for six units, an anchor.

6668
06:25:01,577 --> 06:25:03,167
We're asking for your zoning ordinance

6669
06:25:03,167 --> 06:25:05,507
that accommodates that density.

6670
06:25:05,507 --> 06:25:07,127
The regulations about what gets built,

6671
06:25:07,127 --> 06:25:10,547
the setbacks and those things are within those codes already.

6672
06:25:10,547 --> 06:25:12,292
And we think they're appropriate What

6673
06:25:12,292 --> 06:25:14,747
we've done here and the neighbors,

6674
06:25:14,747 --> 06:25:16,967
we've got this ten foot buffer zone

6675
06:25:16,967 --> 06:25:19,517
It has plantings or preservation of trees,

6676
06:25:19,517 --> 06:25:22,694
and we've added additional setback on this side

6677
06:25:22,694 --> 06:25:24,527
because these particular dwellings are quite

6678
06:25:24,527 --> 06:25:26,457
close to the property line.

6679
06:25:26,457 --> 06:25:27,707
I'll go with that at a moment.

6680
06:25:27,707 --> 06:25:31,607
But so these are the critical elements for the 11 units here

6681
06:25:31,607 --> 06:25:33,437
that came out of an earlier concept.

6682
06:25:33,437 --> 06:25:37,277
I think we've maybe had 14 units at one time on North Side

6683
06:25:37,277 --> 06:25:39,802
and it was desire to see those split more evenly.

6684
06:25:39,802 --> 06:25:41,408
So 18 and half is 99.

6685
06:25:41,408 --> 06:25:43,256
So we want a little bit of flexibility.

6686
06:25:43,256 --> 06:25:45,410
And that was the original 11 and 11.

6687
06:25:45,410 --> 06:25:46,517
So we can put those numbers there.

6688
06:25:46,517 --> 06:25:48,809
We want to split it like the Planning Commission asked,

6689
06:25:48,809 --> 06:25:52,697
but we also need to leave ourselves all flexibility

6690
06:25:52,697 --> 06:25:56,654
And the real issue about, you know, the density

6691
06:25:56,654 --> 06:25:58,487
is really that the size of the house, right?

6692
06:25:58,487 --> 06:26:01,154
If we have a buildable zone, as you see here, right on the north

6693
06:26:01,154 --> 06:26:05,387
side and you put townhomes here because it's six townhomes here,

6694
06:26:05,387 --> 06:26:07,997
we could fit three large houses there

6695
06:26:07,997 --> 06:26:10,637
it wouldn't really change the building, massing

6696
06:26:10,637 --> 06:26:12,347
or how close they were to the neighbors

6697
06:26:12,347 --> 06:26:13,727
to change the housing type.

6698
06:26:13,727 --> 06:26:14,867
Basically.

6699
06:26:14,867 --> 06:26:17,777
So this allows the housing type to have flexibility.

6700
06:26:17,777 --> 06:26:20,270
But really speaks to the issues that are brought up,

6701
06:26:20,270 --> 06:26:22,337
which is what's the relationship of these buildings

6702
06:26:22,337 --> 06:26:25,937
to each other Here's the plan.

6703
06:26:26,987 --> 06:26:27,994
The concept planners.

6704
06:26:27,994 --> 06:26:29,827
I go back to the questions on this.

6705
06:26:29,827 --> 06:26:32,407
If we need to go on, but this is not proffered.

6706
06:26:32,407 --> 06:26:34,157
This is for illustration of what might be,

6707
06:26:34,157 --> 06:26:36,407
but we are not guaranteeing things

6708
06:26:36,407 --> 06:26:40,463
on this plan This is kind of fascinating.

6709
06:26:40,463 --> 06:26:43,157
This is the site plan for Liberty Hall.

6710
06:26:43,157 --> 06:26:46,187
They actually have a reduced by neighborhood model, a 15 foot

6711
06:26:46,187 --> 06:26:51,357
building setback for us So we standard have a 20 foot setback.

6712
06:26:51,357 --> 06:26:53,507
We've actually offered 25ft.

6713
06:26:53,507 --> 06:26:57,437
So this developer got five feet of extra land to build houses.

6714
06:26:57,437 --> 06:26:59,683
We've lost Five feet of land and accommodation

6715
06:26:59,683 --> 06:27:01,533
of those residents who lived there.

6716
06:27:01,533 --> 06:27:06,737
That's the reason the structure is being so close.

6717
06:27:06,737 --> 06:27:08,867
Lastly interesting tidbit here.

6718
06:27:08,867 --> 06:27:12,770
So we have access to historical maps from if I

6719
06:27:12,770 --> 06:27:13,963
had Zoom with them to see.

6720
06:27:13,963 --> 06:27:17,122
And if you zoom this out, it was just farmland here

6721
06:27:17,122 --> 06:27:19,487
because this is 1957, this house here

6722
06:27:19,487 --> 06:27:21,887
is the one that was recently taken down when, you know,

6723
06:27:21,887 --> 06:27:25,997
all incomes are right through here 330 is right here.

6724
06:27:25,997 --> 06:27:28,997
That's what was here in 1957, 1980.

6725
06:27:30,887 --> 06:27:34,370
The House that we're retaining is here

6726
06:27:34,370 --> 06:27:35,327
That's the other house there.

6727
06:27:35,327 --> 06:27:41,507
The access actually this way to a private road, some kind 1990.

6728
06:27:41,507 --> 06:27:44,597
You'll see here there was a structure here.

6729
06:27:44,597 --> 06:27:45,707
These houses.

6730
06:27:45,707 --> 06:27:48,281
And so this is actually a redevelopment

6731
06:27:48,281 --> 06:27:50,781
This area is essentially was no environmental features here.

6732
06:27:50,781 --> 06:27:52,637
There's nothing here because it was,

6733
06:27:52,637 --> 06:27:56,237
in fact the original development area.

6734
06:27:56,292 --> 06:27:58,334
And then it was developed around the subdivisions

6735
06:27:58,334 --> 06:27:59,861
that you see around it.

6736
06:27:59,861 --> 06:28:01,388
So this is a redo.

6737
06:28:01,388 --> 06:28:04,727
All of these we're trying to use the Kern County ordinance This

6738
06:28:04,727 --> 06:28:08,339
is the plan to have to vote on tonight

6739
06:28:08,339 --> 06:28:11,106
And we think this meets all the requirements are applicable.

6740
06:28:11,106 --> 06:28:12,867
Happy to answer any further questions,

6741
06:28:12,867 --> 06:28:14,787
you will have about this.

6742
06:28:14,787 --> 06:28:15,287
All right.

6743
06:28:15,287 --> 06:28:16,847
Thank you, Justin.

6744
06:28:16,847 --> 06:28:19,317
Questions for the applicant supervisor malik.

6745
06:28:19,317 --> 06:28:25,317
OK, Let's see Some of you have mentioned the 20% affordability.

6746
06:28:29,537 --> 06:28:34,183
How does the application address the long term Affordable

6747
06:28:34,183 --> 06:28:36,470
Because there will be people who get in

6748
06:28:36,470 --> 06:28:39,347
to purchase by the skin of their teeth financially

6749
06:28:39,347 --> 06:28:43,127
and then the assessor means for hold up

6750
06:28:43,127 --> 06:28:45,947
holding all of the requirements for all the private features

6751
06:28:45,947 --> 06:28:47,987
that you've designed into this are

6752
06:28:47,987 --> 06:28:50,297
going to be a burden for those families going forward.

6753
06:28:50,297 --> 06:28:55,970
How does how do you approach that question?

6754
06:28:55,127 --> 06:28:57,977
Well, no matter where I think you go in our county,

6755
06:28:57,977 --> 06:29:00,520
you're going to have stormwater and road maintenance cost.

6756
06:29:00,520 --> 06:29:01,937
I think it's going to be baked in.

6757
06:29:01,937 --> 06:29:04,188
Someone everywhere that the for profit affordability

6758
06:29:04,188 --> 06:29:05,147
is the problem, right?

6759
06:29:05,147 --> 06:29:06,137
It's the housing.

6760
06:29:06,137 --> 06:29:07,847
Our moral standard.

6761
06:29:07,847 --> 06:29:10,667
There is an argument for trying to reduce, you know,

6762
06:29:10,667 --> 06:29:12,797
what these costs may be.

6763
06:29:12,797 --> 06:29:14,297
And I don't know when the rent.

6764
06:29:14,297 --> 06:29:18,137
So in a rental environment, the rental units right the landlord

6765
06:29:18,137 --> 06:29:20,597
pays the cost, the rent is fixed.

6766
06:29:20,597 --> 06:29:23,446
So the rental environment, you can't even

6767
06:29:23,446 --> 06:29:25,607
unless I have to incur expenses, repairing a road

6768
06:29:25,607 --> 06:29:27,647
or fixing a pipe, I can't charge more.

6769
06:29:27,647 --> 06:29:29,800
Rent and housing out more allows me.

6770
06:29:29,800 --> 06:29:31,217
So in that scenario there would be

6771
06:29:31,217 --> 06:29:34,970
no cost passed on I don't know.

6772
06:29:34,970 --> 06:29:36,647
I guess if the scenario where I buy in my,

6773
06:29:36,647 --> 06:29:39,716
you know, subsidized housing price, I buy my house.

6774
06:29:39,716 --> 06:29:41,827
And over the years, the HOA dues increase.

6775
06:29:41,827 --> 06:29:44,129
I think that probably is a cost added to me

6776
06:29:44,129 --> 06:29:46,462
but I don't think it's a cost at all unique to the site.

6777
06:29:46,462 --> 06:29:49,397
This is going to be a cost in any practically any development

6778
06:29:49,397 --> 06:29:51,165
to provide affordable housing types.

6779
06:29:51,165 --> 06:29:52,457
Is there going to be townhomes?

6780
06:29:52,457 --> 06:29:54,737
And they're all built on private streets.

6781
06:29:54,737 --> 06:29:57,257
So I think that's a thing to think about,

6782
06:29:57,257 --> 06:30:00,827
but not unique to the site.

6783
06:30:00,827 --> 06:30:01,457
Thank you.

6784
06:30:01,457 --> 06:30:06,170
So for now, Supervisor Duncan I have no questions.

6785
06:30:06,170 --> 06:30:09,170
Supervisor Pruitt I actually don't

6786
06:30:09,167 --> 06:30:10,459
think I have further questions.

6787
06:30:10,459 --> 06:30:11,957
Thank you.

6788
06:30:11,957 --> 06:30:13,957
Supervisor Missile thanks.

6789
06:30:14,537 --> 06:30:16,912
You alluded at the beginning of your presentation.

6790
06:30:16,912 --> 06:30:18,287
Maybe touched on this or you said

6791
06:30:18,287 --> 06:30:20,287
you're going to come back to that in the future.

6792
06:30:20,287 --> 06:30:22,337
And that is the adjacent setback.

6793
06:30:22,337 --> 06:30:26,402
Can you talk a little bit more about that please?

6794
06:30:26,402 --> 06:30:26,902
Sure.

6795
06:30:26,902 --> 06:30:30,581
And so it's interesting here actually, to go back to our plan

6796
06:30:30,581 --> 06:30:31,146
here.

6797
06:30:31,146 --> 06:30:34,187
So we have property on this side here next to Liberty Hall.

6798
06:30:34,187 --> 06:30:34,937
This houses here.

6799
06:30:34,937 --> 06:30:36,887
It's 25 foot setback.

6800
06:30:36,887 --> 06:30:38,147
The standard is 24.

6801
06:30:38,147 --> 06:30:41,477
Pretty much every county zoning district like this.

6802
06:30:41,477 --> 06:30:44,827
The one the state and the zoning was approved by the board

6803
06:30:44,827 --> 06:30:47,327
because I think maybe probably before all you all were here,

6804
06:30:47,327 --> 06:30:52,547
I think there was a 15 foot proffered setback here.

6805
06:30:52,547 --> 06:30:56,270
So you can ask in a neighborhood model three, reduce setback.

6806
06:30:56,270 --> 06:30:57,617
So essentially, part of the reason

6807
06:30:57,617 --> 06:31:00,834
these houses are close to the neighbors and the planning

6808
06:31:00,834 --> 06:31:02,417
commission brought this up is it feels

6809
06:31:02,417 --> 06:31:05,237
like it's tight is because there was a special disposition

6810
06:31:05,237 --> 06:31:07,247
to give them an extra five feet, which

6811
06:31:07,247 --> 06:31:09,707
not if you bought those houses, it wasn't their doing for

6812
06:31:09,707 --> 06:31:10,218
say Right.

6813
06:31:10,218 --> 06:31:13,907
But the developer of that project gained more sellable.

6814
06:31:13,907 --> 06:31:16,154
Real estate for building larger houses based on that.

6815
06:31:16,154 --> 06:31:19,321
So we simply said, we don't like, we have the room,

6816
06:31:19,321 --> 06:31:21,587
we'll give up that five feet on our side

6817
06:31:21,587 --> 06:31:24,977
to keep that standard setback house to house.

6818
06:31:24,977 --> 06:31:30,876
That would have been if they had their 20 foot Got it.

6819
06:31:30,876 --> 06:31:31,376
OK.

6820
06:31:31,376 --> 06:31:31,966
Thank you.

6821
06:31:31,966 --> 06:31:32,752
That makes sense.

6822
06:31:32,752 --> 06:31:34,827
Can you go back to your drawing please?

6823
06:31:34,827 --> 06:31:35,327
Yeah.

6824
06:31:35,327 --> 06:31:37,327
There.

6825
06:31:37,337 --> 06:31:40,370
We've talked a lot about both tonight

6826
06:31:40,370 --> 06:31:46,370
and with neighbors and together with the applicant the call

6827
06:31:46,187 --> 06:31:49,667
it carrying capacity of that northern area

6828
06:31:49,667 --> 06:31:50,777
feels it feels tight.

6829
06:31:50,777 --> 06:31:51,277
Right.

6830
06:31:51,277 --> 06:31:53,117
And so how many units are there?

6831
06:31:53,117 --> 06:31:57,397
One, two, three, Four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten,

6832
06:31:57,397 --> 06:31:58,640
11, ten, 11.

6833
06:31:58,640 --> 06:32:01,273
There Then you mentioned 9 and 9.

6834
06:32:01,273 --> 06:32:02,975
And I know you want flexibility.

6835
06:32:02,975 --> 06:32:07,337
And I get that Is there any flexibility

6836
06:32:07,337 --> 06:32:09,557
on that northern development area

6837
06:32:09,557 --> 06:32:14,957
to reduce from what you're showing here below nine

6838
06:32:16,670 --> 06:32:18,670
for below 11?

6839
06:32:20,870 --> 06:32:22,589
What's your what was your thought process around that?

6840
06:32:22,589 --> 06:32:25,375
Just that's just one of the big areas to discuss.

6841
06:32:25,375 --> 06:32:28,454
Well, I think I think I guess that to answer

6842
06:32:28,454 --> 06:32:30,287
that sort of a matter of what's the concern?

6843
06:32:30,287 --> 06:32:33,107
Because if it's really if it's the spatial distance.

6844
06:32:33,107 --> 06:32:33,767
Right.

6845
06:32:33,767 --> 06:32:36,227
If I if I simply if I said, you know what,

6846
06:32:36,227 --> 06:32:40,877
I'm going to make these guys 40 foot wide triplexes right.

6847
06:32:40,877 --> 06:32:42,170
1 to 3 units.

6848
06:32:42,170 --> 06:32:43,782
I've lost three units right there.

6849
06:32:43,782 --> 06:32:44,987
I'm down to eight.

6850
06:32:44,987 --> 06:32:48,437
I don't think that's materially different than the townhomes.

6851
06:32:48,437 --> 06:32:51,357
Essentially And so that's really the Planning Commission

6852
06:32:51,357 --> 06:32:53,732
talked about that the neighbors have talked about that.

6853
06:32:53,732 --> 06:32:57,623
And my response was, well here's I'm

6854
06:32:57,623 --> 06:33:00,197
proffering right and proper in these buffer zones

6855
06:33:00,197 --> 06:33:01,224
and increased setback.

6856
06:33:01,224 --> 06:33:03,470
So no matter what gets built here,

6857
06:33:03,470 --> 06:33:05,447
we're trying to be respectful of that space, even

6858
06:33:05,447 --> 06:33:08,570
though normally residential, residential, that would not

6859
06:33:08,570 --> 06:33:09,789
be required.

6860
06:33:09,789 --> 06:33:11,706
We don't know what's going to get built there.

6861
06:33:11,706 --> 06:33:13,660
Exactly, but we know that whatever

6862
06:33:13,660 --> 06:33:18,642
it is, the setback in my mind is more important than, let's say,

6863
06:33:18,642 --> 06:33:21,170
how many people live there from the neighbors standpoint,

6864
06:33:21,170 --> 06:33:23,238
I think from maybe the county standpoint, argue

6865
06:33:23,238 --> 06:33:26,117
more people living there is better

6866
06:33:26,117 --> 06:33:27,534
We should point to higher density.

6867
06:33:27,534 --> 06:33:29,242
We just don't know which side of the road

6868
06:33:29,242 --> 06:33:30,673
that ends up on right this moment.

6869
06:33:30,673 --> 06:33:32,338
OK Fair enough.

6870
06:33:32,338 --> 06:33:32,913
Understood.

6871
06:33:32,913 --> 06:33:33,776
Right there.

6872
06:33:33,776 --> 06:33:37,457
We have a ten foot buffer zone between 330,

6873
06:33:37,457 --> 06:33:38,927
your adjoining property boundary.

6874
06:33:38,927 --> 06:33:40,457
So why not 25?

6875
06:33:40,457 --> 06:33:42,457
There ?

6876
06:33:42,689 --> 06:33:45,872
Well, as far as a building setback, yeah.

6877
06:33:45,872 --> 06:33:49,550
Oh, that would be a pretty substantial side setback.

6878
06:33:49,550 --> 06:33:51,369
The side setbacks, five feet currently.

6879
06:33:51,369 --> 06:33:52,816
So we've doubled it.

6880
06:33:52,816 --> 06:33:55,131
You have the rear setback of 25.

6881
06:33:55,131 --> 06:33:55,710
Right.

6882
06:33:55,710 --> 06:33:57,446
The rear setback is correct.

6883
06:33:57,446 --> 06:34:00,629
So we use the back of 25 on this side.

6884
06:34:00,629 --> 06:34:02,654
You're calling that your side yard?

6885
06:34:02,654 --> 06:34:04,390
This is the side yard.

6886
06:34:04,390 --> 06:34:04,969
Yes.

6887
06:34:04,969 --> 06:34:06,126
That's orientation here.

6888
06:34:06,126 --> 06:34:08,441
If the lots were revised per the you

6889
06:34:08,441 --> 06:34:12,203
know, the ordinance to say face this forward away from this.

6890
06:34:12,203 --> 06:34:13,939
And this was their backyard.

6891
06:34:13,939 --> 06:34:16,832
The ordinance would require a 20 foot rear setback.

6892
06:34:16,832 --> 06:34:20,594
So there is a layout change with the back of those units faced

6893
06:34:20,594 --> 06:34:24,645
330 a 20 foot setback would be required and my ten foot buffer,

6894
06:34:24,645 --> 06:34:28,117
but we wouldn't be able to hold a ten foot rear.

6895
06:34:28,117 --> 06:34:31,300
And we have to follow the ordinance, an ordinance.

6896
06:34:31,300 --> 06:34:34,772
So you voluntarily went from 20 foot rear setback to 25 foot

6897
06:34:34,772 --> 06:34:36,797
roost that back correct on the appetite

6898
06:34:36,797 --> 06:34:39,691
increase the ten foot buffer zone on the side yard

6899
06:34:39,691 --> 06:34:42,874
whereas it becomes a point of is that a reasonable.

6900
06:34:42,874 --> 06:34:45,478
You know request for density is particularly in side

6901
06:34:45,478 --> 06:34:47,235
the side of the same.

6902
06:34:47,235 --> 06:34:50,169
There's ordinance would not call for that kind of stuff

6903
06:34:50,169 --> 06:34:51,500
are normal.

6904
06:34:51,500 --> 06:34:55,307
Yes i feel like we've come up with a reasonable solution

6905
06:34:55,307 --> 06:34:57,520
here that preserves possible easy

6906
06:34:57,520 --> 06:34:58,967
to provide infill housing for people

6907
06:34:58,967 --> 06:35:03,227
and provide some respectful buffers to our neighbors Got it.

6908
06:35:03,227 --> 06:35:07,427
Okay I think well, I'll just ask.

6909
06:35:13,663 --> 06:35:16,997
So we've talked about easements, access easements

6910
06:35:16,997 --> 06:35:19,697
Do you see any yellow flags, any concerns

6911
06:35:19,697 --> 06:35:22,757
with being able to access as you've drawn on these plans?

6912
06:35:22,757 --> 06:35:23,507
No, no.

6913
06:35:23,507 --> 06:35:26,660
And just a few things to dig out clarify.

6914
06:35:26,660 --> 06:35:30,600
So that here we have a platted, one recorded access easement

6915
06:35:30,600 --> 06:35:31,590
through here.

6916
06:35:31,590 --> 06:35:32,567
There's an access easement.

6917
06:35:32,567 --> 06:35:35,567
As I said, this is the back of the north side.

6918
06:35:35,567 --> 06:35:39,557
There's really no lane here is an existing

6919
06:35:39,557 --> 06:35:41,147
road serving three units.

6920
06:35:41,147 --> 06:35:44,657
And that is why you see in our concept here,

6921
06:35:44,657 --> 06:35:48,789
I think no matter what happens, only this house this house.

6922
06:35:48,789 --> 06:35:51,199
And this house remain on the windy Knoll road

6923
06:35:51,199 --> 06:35:53,967
because this is like a nonconforming road basically.

6924
06:35:53,967 --> 06:35:58,590
So there are a lot of lots that use this currently We don't we

6925
06:35:58,590 --> 06:36:01,183
would have to upgrade that is mentioned to use it.

6926
06:36:01,183 --> 06:36:03,137
And there may be other easement issues there.

6927
06:36:03,137 --> 06:36:04,967
So the intention is for that to simply has always

6928
06:36:04,967 --> 06:36:06,550
served three houses and it will remain

6929
06:36:06,550 --> 06:36:09,467
to serve three houses over here we

6930
06:36:09,467 --> 06:36:13,907
have 35 or so feet of frontage along the public road.

6931
06:36:13,907 --> 06:36:17,155
So we can get a private road off that we

6932
06:36:17,155 --> 06:36:18,947
would say we need to continue the sidewalk.

6933
06:36:18,947 --> 06:36:20,405
You know, take this whole triangle.

6934
06:36:20,405 --> 06:36:23,177
It's more complicated and nothing we're doing here

6935
06:36:23,177 --> 06:36:25,577
prohibits a later time.

6936
06:36:25,682 --> 06:36:27,557
My client working a deal with those neighbors

6937
06:36:27,557 --> 06:36:29,599
and acquiring a triangle and building that right.

6938
06:36:29,599 --> 06:36:30,737
We're setting the zoning.

6939
06:36:30,737 --> 06:36:33,887
We could always come back and put a public street here,

6940
06:36:33,887 --> 06:36:35,537
if that can be worked out.

6941
06:36:35,537 --> 06:36:38,897
So there's not a proper private street.

6942
06:36:38,897 --> 06:36:41,297
It's a zoning proffer.

6943
06:36:41,927 --> 06:36:44,477
And the buffers we could if a triangle is required,

6944
06:36:44,477 --> 06:36:46,997
a public street could be built, I believe.

6945
06:36:46,997 --> 06:36:47,845
So there's a veto.

6946
06:36:47,845 --> 06:36:48,887
I would have to prove it.

6947
06:36:48,887 --> 06:36:53,870
Obviously So if I'm hearing you correctly

6948
06:36:53,444 --> 06:36:56,408
I may not be the connection, the road,

6949
06:36:56,408 --> 06:36:59,354
the pathway that runs through there Here.

6950
06:36:59,354 --> 06:37:00,680
No, sorry.

6951
06:37:00,680 --> 06:37:01,139
The portion of the path.

6952
06:37:01,139 --> 06:37:01,710
Oh, sorry.

6953
06:37:01,710 --> 06:37:02,210
Yes.

6954
06:37:02,210 --> 06:37:06,857
It looks like a dead end on the right at the property line.

6955
06:37:06,857 --> 06:37:07,457
That's right.

6956
06:37:07,457 --> 06:37:07,957
Yes.

6957
06:37:07,957 --> 06:37:12,127
That's so that is the edge obviously, of our property line

6958
06:37:12,127 --> 06:37:13,147
right there.

6959
06:37:13,147 --> 06:37:14,237
Just triangle.

6960
06:37:14,237 --> 06:37:16,337
So shared use path touches the public right

6961
06:37:16,337 --> 06:37:18,977
of way at column drive.

6962
06:37:18,977 --> 06:37:21,167
So if you were coming to another sidewalk

6963
06:37:21,167 --> 06:37:25,637
there without having to acquire the access correct.

6964
06:37:25,637 --> 06:37:27,637
Okay.

6965
06:37:28,520 --> 06:37:29,177
And then the last question.

6966
06:37:29,177 --> 06:37:30,857
I know tree preservation has come up.

6967
06:37:30,857 --> 06:37:33,170
We've got an arborist report, etc., etc..

6968
06:37:33,170 --> 06:37:37,337
There's concern about where that public page path, a foot piece,

6969
06:37:37,337 --> 06:37:42,137
paved path goes through Is there the possibility

6970
06:37:43,637 --> 06:37:45,347
of retaining that as green space,

6971
06:37:45,347 --> 06:37:47,507
keeping that tree buffer there and moving

6972
06:37:47,507 --> 06:37:49,679
that shared path closer in?

6973
06:37:49,679 --> 06:37:52,506
Well, the idea of this.

6974
06:37:52,506 --> 06:37:55,877
And if you've been out there and you have a nice land

6975
06:37:55,877 --> 06:37:57,497
is really flat right here.

6976
06:37:57,497 --> 06:37:59,267
I agree So what I liked about this

6977
06:37:59,267 --> 06:38:02,897
was that I could put the path in amongst those trees

6978
06:38:02,897 --> 06:38:04,787
and have the green space, the path within it,

6979
06:38:04,787 --> 06:38:08,507
so that the path is neither in the side yard of this house

6980
06:38:08,507 --> 06:38:10,202
or the side yard of the house.

6981
06:38:10,202 --> 06:38:11,804
That's the origin of this design.

6982
06:38:11,804 --> 06:38:13,862
So would you be willing to create a conservation

6983
06:38:13,862 --> 06:38:15,872
plan for the trees that are in there?

6984
06:38:15,872 --> 06:38:17,623
Well, if we decide to save.

6985
06:38:17,623 --> 06:38:19,812
And we have to, that's an ordinance requirement.

6986
06:38:19,812 --> 06:38:21,347
We'd have we'd have to do that.

6987
06:38:21,347 --> 06:38:23,807
At this moment, we have to go survey the trees,

6988
06:38:23,807 --> 06:38:26,417
figure out new way of keeping what could be done around them,

6989
06:38:26,417 --> 06:38:28,417
etc..

6990
06:38:28,457 --> 06:38:31,600
I think we feel like what we have.

6991
06:38:31,600 --> 06:38:32,552
We can create a path.

6992
06:38:32,552 --> 06:38:34,369
We'll save some trees, even mine.

6993
06:38:34,369 --> 06:38:36,770
We're financially motivated to save trees

6994
06:38:36,770 --> 06:38:39,317
because we get a bonus canopy for those, right?

6995
06:38:39,317 --> 06:38:41,177
The county says we build this.

6996
06:38:41,177 --> 06:38:44,447
We have to provide an extra canopy for every tree

6997
06:38:44,447 --> 06:38:46,247
we save we get a bonus of that.

6998
06:38:46,247 --> 06:38:49,157
So we are we will do that if it makes sense.

6999
06:38:49,157 --> 06:38:50,597
But some of the trees back in here

7000
06:38:50,597 --> 06:38:52,757
are our trees and the Bradford pear in the middle.

7001
06:38:52,757 --> 06:38:53,747
Some of these are good trees.

7002
06:38:53,747 --> 06:38:55,847
Some of them are ones that are kind of weedy that

7003
06:38:55,847 --> 06:38:57,168
will maybe be better off.

7004
06:38:57,168 --> 06:38:57,941
Planted a new.

7005
06:38:57,941 --> 06:38:59,941
There are some beautiful trees in there, though.

7006
06:38:59,941 --> 06:39:01,941
Oh, yeah OK.

7007
06:39:03,534 --> 06:39:04,441
Thank you.

7008
06:39:04,441 --> 06:39:05,348
That's all.

7009
06:39:05,348 --> 06:39:09,167
Supervisor office for currently So I understand that.

7010
06:39:09,167 --> 06:39:09,837
Wendy.

7011
06:39:09,837 --> 06:39:10,337
Wendy.

7012
06:39:10,337 --> 06:39:11,270
No Wendy.

7013
06:39:11,270 --> 06:39:15,770
Noel can only serve us because it's a private street.

7014
06:39:15,770 --> 06:39:15,797
Private road.

7015
06:39:15,797 --> 06:39:16,307
Right.

7016
06:39:16,307 --> 06:39:17,777
Can only service three homes.

7017
06:39:17,777 --> 06:39:18,977
Correct?

7018
06:39:18,977 --> 06:39:20,327
That's right, yes.

7019
06:39:20,327 --> 06:39:24,917
So it is that the reason why you only have three homes on colony

7020
06:39:24,917 --> 06:39:25,427
Drive?

7021
06:39:25,427 --> 06:39:28,337
Because that private street could also

7022
06:39:28,337 --> 06:39:30,647
only access three roads.

7023
06:39:30,647 --> 06:39:33,470
This is actually some as five as a property line here

7024
06:39:33,470 --> 06:39:33,947
in the Middle.

7025
06:39:33,947 --> 06:39:36,707
So there's two kind of duplexes here and a single family here.

7026
06:39:36,707 --> 06:39:39,767
So this current concept, again, just a concept, but the thought

7027
06:39:39,767 --> 06:39:42,917
is we have five here to have been

7028
06:39:42,917 --> 06:39:45,317
historically here, plus a 330.

7029
06:39:45,586 --> 06:39:49,157
Make make three in total on wendy Nolan.

7030
06:39:49,157 --> 06:39:49,787
Okay.

7031
06:39:49,787 --> 06:39:53,387
So on the private street, that would be three buildings.

7032
06:39:53,387 --> 06:39:54,677
It could be three buildings.

7033
06:39:54,677 --> 06:39:56,777
Is it again, this is laid out.

7034
06:39:56,777 --> 06:39:58,697
This is not proffered, but that was

7035
06:39:58,697 --> 06:40:01,317
a concept that's an idea that could come to fruition.

7036
06:40:01,317 --> 06:40:01,817
OK.

7037
06:40:01,817 --> 06:40:02,317
OK.

7038
06:40:02,317 --> 06:40:06,230
And once again you could put more homes in there.

7039
06:40:06,230 --> 06:40:10,826
If you were able to build an actual public street

7040
06:40:10,826 --> 06:40:12,326
and potentially in a private street.

7041
06:40:12,326 --> 06:40:14,718
Also, we have to ask for certain waivers and things like that.

7042
06:40:14,718 --> 06:40:16,392
That's a site plan item that I think

7043
06:40:16,392 --> 06:40:19,397
have said they can't make a judgment on that until I

7044
06:40:19,397 --> 06:40:21,557
show them some very specific engineering on what

7045
06:40:21,557 --> 06:40:22,670
that looks like.

7046
06:40:22,670 --> 06:40:24,587
And that's a step back to the site plan level.

7047
06:40:24,587 --> 06:40:27,107
So we will be back to the planning Commission,

7048
06:40:27,107 --> 06:40:29,447
all the staff with various waiver requests

7049
06:40:29,447 --> 06:40:33,797
if needed, to meet those criteria and the piping

7050
06:40:33,797 --> 06:40:35,747
that you have, the stormwater inlet,

7051
06:40:35,747 --> 06:40:39,470
that's going to be a pipe going from that point.

7052
06:40:39,470 --> 06:40:42,112
All the way down to the storm water pond, correct?

7053
06:40:42,112 --> 06:40:43,487
Yeah, something like that will be

7054
06:40:43,487 --> 06:40:45,137
built to keep drainage that direction.

7055
06:40:45,137 --> 06:40:48,767
I asked that because it's going right through the amenities

7056
06:40:48,767 --> 06:40:49,456
underneath that.

7057
06:40:49,456 --> 06:40:50,374
You never know.

7058
06:40:50,374 --> 06:40:51,630
Was there.

7059
06:40:51,630 --> 06:40:52,670
OK, that's good to know.

7060
06:40:52,670 --> 06:40:56,417
And the fact that you have that path that goes along,

7061
06:40:56,417 --> 06:41:01,577
that connects to Colony Drive and you can also go out,

7062
06:41:01,577 --> 06:41:05,327
I guess once the Eastern Avenue is built out,

7063
06:41:05,327 --> 06:41:06,917
then you could go that way.

7064
06:41:06,917 --> 06:41:10,757
Or you can go to once again, repeating myself out colony

7065
06:41:10,757 --> 06:41:14,537
drive down to where all the melodies are, correct?

7066
06:41:14,537 --> 06:41:15,747
That's right Okay.

7067
06:41:15,747 --> 06:41:16,247
Thank you.

7068
06:41:16,247 --> 06:41:20,837
No other questions and just for my own understanding

7069
06:41:20,837 --> 06:41:24,527
just in the ten foot buffer zone and the 25 year setback,

7070
06:41:24,527 --> 06:41:25,781
you don't combine those.

7071
06:41:25,781 --> 06:41:29,645
The 25 is from the property, plant, not from the buffer.

7072
06:41:29,645 --> 06:41:31,427
That's correct So it's not 35.

7073
06:41:31,427 --> 06:41:32,837
It's a total of 25.

7074
06:41:32,837 --> 06:41:33,587
Yes.

7075
06:41:33,587 --> 06:41:35,587
All right Yeah.

7076
06:41:41,337 --> 06:41:41,837
All right.

7077
06:41:41,837 --> 06:41:42,797
I think I'm.

7078
06:41:42,797 --> 06:41:43,607
Thank you.

7079
06:41:43,607 --> 06:41:45,587
Any other questions for the applicant before?

7080
06:41:45,587 --> 06:41:47,687
I guess only one of what has been

7081
06:41:47,687 --> 06:41:49,667
done to try to solve the pinch point

7082
06:41:49,667 --> 06:41:52,247
question as far as addressing the neighbors

7083
06:41:52,247 --> 06:41:56,357
or making requests or making offers or any kind of discussion

7084
06:41:56,357 --> 06:41:56,898
I know that.

7085
06:41:56,898 --> 06:42:00,167
So the change in has spoken with those neighbors quite a lot.

7086
06:42:00,167 --> 06:42:03,557
I have not been involved with that discussion,

7087
06:42:03,557 --> 06:42:07,871
so I can't say what the specifics are

7088
06:42:07,871 --> 06:42:12,170
of that would probably, again be something

7089
06:42:12,170 --> 06:42:15,257
I mean, in a site plan, we would like to have that triangle.

7090
06:42:15,257 --> 06:42:18,319
If they don't want to part with it, that's their business.

7091
06:42:18,319 --> 06:42:22,547
It's their conversations broke down a year ago To put it

7092
06:42:22,547 --> 06:42:26,687
simply, I think that there's been no contact negotiations

7093
06:42:26,687 --> 06:42:28,970
broke down a year ago as well.

7094
06:42:28,970 --> 06:42:33,437
So maybe the on the but once the decision tonight is made,

7095
06:42:33,437 --> 06:42:37,970
then we typically do basically the others

7096
06:42:37,970 --> 06:42:38,897
make the choices going forward.

7097
06:42:38,897 --> 06:42:41,657
Staff and the applicant make the choices after tonight.

7098
06:42:41,657 --> 06:42:45,437
So that's why I'm trying to get as much information as possible.

7099
06:42:45,437 --> 06:42:46,877
All right Thank you.

7100
06:42:46,877 --> 06:42:48,297
I'll stop there.

7101
06:42:48,297 --> 06:42:48,797
All right.

7102
06:42:48,797 --> 06:42:49,547
Thank you, Justin.

7103
06:42:49,547 --> 06:42:52,317
We're ready to go to our public speakers.

7104
06:42:52,317 --> 06:42:52,817
Great.

7105
06:42:52,817 --> 06:42:53,387
Thank you.

7106
06:42:53,387 --> 06:42:57,557
We'll begin with Bill O'Malley and Nadia Anderson

7107
06:42:57,557 --> 06:43:01,157
is on deck and good evening.

7108
06:43:10,937 --> 06:43:11,807
And O'Malley.

7109
06:43:11,807 --> 06:43:15,617
President the Crows, a community associate Asian.

7110
06:43:15,617 --> 06:43:17,237
The issue before you tonight is not

7111
06:43:17,237 --> 06:43:19,127
whether this board has the authority

7112
06:43:19,127 --> 06:43:21,437
to disagree with the Planning commission.

7113
06:43:21,437 --> 06:43:22,923
Of course it does.

7114
06:43:22,923 --> 06:43:25,200
The question is, what is materially

7115
06:43:25,200 --> 06:43:28,517
changed after a 5 to 1 recommendation of denial

7116
06:43:28,517 --> 06:43:32,117
that warrants a completely different land use conclusion

7117
06:43:32,117 --> 06:43:33,829
Remember, this applicant was already

7118
06:43:33,829 --> 06:43:36,587
afforded a deferral, an opportunity to redesign.

7119
06:43:36,587 --> 06:43:39,470
When did all the Planning Commission clearly

7120
06:43:39,470 --> 06:43:41,297
tried to find a path to Yes.

7121
06:43:41,297 --> 06:43:44,927
But after reviewing the revised proposal, it still voted 5 to 1

7122
06:43:44,927 --> 06:43:46,907
to recommend denial.

7123
06:43:46,907 --> 06:43:50,507
It concerns its concerns included compatibility

7124
06:43:50,897 --> 06:43:53,297
transition to existing homes, private property

7125
06:43:53,297 --> 06:43:56,207
issues and particularly the concentration of density

7126
06:43:56,207 --> 06:43:59,627
on the northern portion of this difficult site

7127
06:43:59,627 --> 06:44:02,477
So what changed after the vote will fairly

7128
06:44:02,477 --> 06:44:05,177
acknowledge some mitigation, additional landscaping,

7129
06:44:05,177 --> 06:44:08,177
a ten ten foot plan planted buffer.

7130
06:44:08,177 --> 06:44:10,307
But mitigation was not a redesign.

7131
06:44:10,307 --> 06:44:15,770
On May 13th, the North buildings aren't allowed 11 units tonight.

7132
06:44:15,770 --> 06:44:17,147
It still allows 11 units.

7133
06:44:17,147 --> 06:44:19,487
That matters because one of the clearest messages

7134
06:44:19,487 --> 06:44:22,337
from that body, the planning Commission,

7135
06:44:22,337 --> 06:44:24,767
shifts some of the density south.

7136
06:44:24,767 --> 06:44:26,147
That didn't happen.

7137
06:44:26,147 --> 06:44:28,457
And that raises a reasonable question.

7138
06:44:28,457 --> 06:44:32,687
If these posts denial changes represent a better design,

7139
06:44:32,687 --> 06:44:35,680
why wasn't the design result ?

7140
06:44:35,680 --> 06:44:39,467
Did the design return, then to the Planning Commission ?

7141
06:44:39,467 --> 06:44:42,707
This is not an argument against infill townhomes.

7142
06:44:42,707 --> 06:44:43,787
Affordable housing.

7143
06:44:43,787 --> 06:44:47,117
We recognize those public policy goals.

7144
06:44:47,117 --> 06:44:49,277
This is an argument for good site design.

7145
06:44:49,277 --> 06:44:52,427
We know it is an unusual collection of parcels.

7146
06:44:52,427 --> 06:44:56,729
It's weird because of its shape slope, the existing residence

7147
06:44:56,729 --> 06:45:00,929
surrounded by the proposal, separate vehicular access

7148
06:45:01,670 --> 06:45:04,667
points to development clusters being treated

7149
06:45:05,870 --> 06:45:07,280
as a cohesive neighborhood.

7150
06:45:07,280 --> 06:45:09,952
Candidly, what makes us proposal.

7151
06:45:09,952 --> 06:45:12,707
So unusual It just doesn't fit together.

7152
06:45:12,707 --> 06:45:14,537
There's a better approach.

7153
06:45:14,537 --> 06:45:17,837
Reduce the northern density and challenge the developer

7154
06:45:17,837 --> 06:45:20,774
to design the two areas around the physical realities

7155
06:45:20,774 --> 06:45:22,169
of the property.

7156
06:45:22,169 --> 06:45:26,290
Hopefully to different vote is not land use strategy mitigation

7157
06:45:26,290 --> 06:45:27,295
around the edges.

7158
06:45:27,295 --> 06:45:30,347
It's not the same thing as fixing the design.

7159
06:45:30,347 --> 06:45:32,957
A 5 to 1 planning Commission recommendation

7160
06:45:32,957 --> 06:45:36,797
should not be overturned lightly on the central condition that

7161
06:45:36,797 --> 06:45:40,397
produced that recommendation remains unchanged Tonight.

7162
06:45:40,997 --> 06:45:44,147
You have an opportunity to demonstrate good planning

7163
06:45:44,147 --> 06:45:47,447
means giving the communities a legitimate concern

7164
06:45:47,447 --> 06:45:51,437
to the same serious consideration as the applicant.

7165
06:45:51,437 --> 06:45:55,277
We ask you today This is here May at a minimum,

7166
06:45:55,277 --> 06:46:00,887
defer it and required applicant to return with a better design.

7167
06:46:00,887 --> 06:46:02,447
These are good people.

7168
06:46:02,447 --> 06:46:04,397
Please stop with word the developer

7169
06:46:04,397 --> 06:46:09,677
who is not done the necessary work Do the right thing, please.

7170
06:46:09,677 --> 06:46:10,637
Thank you.

7171
06:46:10,637 --> 06:46:11,759
Thank you.

7172
06:46:11,759 --> 06:46:12,259
Thank you.

7173
06:46:12,259 --> 06:46:18,259
Not Anderson and Julianne Price is on deck Good evening,

7174
06:46:30,647 --> 06:46:31,757
members of the board.

7175
06:46:31,757 --> 06:46:34,199
I stand before you tonight generally confused.

7176
06:46:34,199 --> 06:46:37,531
And I don't know how each of you intends to vote,

7177
06:46:37,531 --> 06:46:39,647
but I'm baffled why a project that's fundamentally

7178
06:46:39,647 --> 06:46:43,847
flow what has been allowed to advance this far in the process.

7179
06:46:43,847 --> 06:46:44,957
Let me be clear.

7180
06:46:44,957 --> 06:46:46,907
I commend the applicant for attempting

7181
06:46:46,907 --> 06:46:49,877
to address a community's affordable housing shortage.

7182
06:46:49,877 --> 06:46:53,387
Affordable housing is a critical need across Albemarle county

7183
06:46:53,387 --> 06:46:56,417
and efforts to create accessible housing solutions deserve

7184
06:46:56,417 --> 06:46:58,367
genuine recognition.

7185
06:46:58,367 --> 06:47:01,307
However, good intentions do not change the law of physics,

7186
06:47:01,307 --> 06:47:04,787
planning policy or even that high density rezoning

7187
06:47:04,787 --> 06:47:06,557
must be paired with appropriate land

7188
06:47:06,557 --> 06:47:08,717
and viable infrastructure in the site

7189
06:47:08,717 --> 06:47:10,877
is simply the wrong location.

7190
06:47:10,877 --> 06:47:14,267
This is not in alignment with the adopted Closing Master plan,

7191
06:47:14,267 --> 06:47:16,397
nor does it fit the comprehensive principles

7192
06:47:16,397 --> 06:47:20,447
of the 1844 granting a spot zoning increase here violates

7193
06:47:20,447 --> 06:47:23,870
the very long range planning documents.

7194
06:47:23,870 --> 06:47:26,570
Our community spent years developing.

7195
06:47:26,570 --> 06:47:29,507
And for legal follow up to a question under Virginia land use

7196
06:47:29,507 --> 06:47:31,427
law and Albemarle County Procedure,

7197
06:47:31,427 --> 06:47:35,627
an unapproved application filed before 8044 was adopted

7198
06:47:35,717 --> 06:47:38,957
holds no legal grandfathered rights or entitlement.

7199
06:47:38,957 --> 06:47:41,431
The Planning Commission evaluated this project.

7200
06:47:41,431 --> 06:47:44,627
And I hope that you go back to those comments

7201
06:47:44,627 --> 06:47:47,570
and they voted to deny it, not once,

7202
06:47:47,570 --> 06:47:50,927
twice overriding a decisive evidence based denial

7203
06:47:50,927 --> 06:47:53,777
undermines public trust and treats the appointed planning

7204
06:47:53,777 --> 06:47:55,997
oversight as an extendable hurdle rather than

7205
06:47:55,997 --> 06:47:57,997
an essential safeguard.

7206
06:47:58,487 --> 06:48:01,427
Furthermore, packaging a 20% affordable housing

7207
06:48:01,427 --> 06:48:04,547
alongside private roads and private stormwater manage

7208
06:48:04,547 --> 06:48:06,547
is deeply irresponsible.

7209
06:48:06,647 --> 06:48:09,707
Albemarle County oversees well over a thousand private

7210
06:48:09,707 --> 06:48:13,367
stormwater facility is county data shows that roughly upwards

7211
06:48:13,367 --> 06:48:17,567
of 60% of HOA manage basins suffer from an active

7212
06:48:17,567 --> 06:48:21,647
maintenance deficiencies and failures Volunteer HOA boards

7213
06:48:21,647 --> 06:48:24,677
such as myself don't know the extent of the burden they need

7214
06:48:24,677 --> 06:48:29,237
to cover by fronting upwards of 30 to $100,000 in capital

7215
06:48:29,237 --> 06:48:33,588
reserves needed for major dredging and structural repairs.

7216
06:48:33,588 --> 06:48:36,587
So in future, residents and small affordable development

7217
06:48:36,587 --> 06:48:39,797
with complex private drainage systems and road maintenance

7218
06:48:39,797 --> 06:48:42,857
sets, both these homeowners and downstream neighbors up

7219
06:48:42,857 --> 06:48:47,917
for systemic failure The area around liberty Hall hasn't been

7220
06:48:47,917 --> 06:48:50,997
spoken a little more frequently tonight, which I appreciate,

7221
06:48:50,997 --> 06:48:54,770
but it struggles with saturated ground and overwhelming drainage

7222
06:48:54,770 --> 06:48:57,827
during routine storms Even with my 15ft of setback,

7223
06:48:57,827 --> 06:49:00,257
the water continues to be a problem.

7224
06:49:00,257 --> 06:49:03,559
And those board members who came out to our community, thank you.

7225
06:49:03,559 --> 06:49:05,207
You understand the cost of fixing

7226
06:49:05,207 --> 06:49:06,497
such an expensive mistake.

7227
06:49:06,497 --> 06:49:08,837
There are complete replacing it.

7228
06:49:08,837 --> 06:49:12,497
This needed and clay loam soils here have notoriously

7229
06:49:12,497 --> 06:49:16,877
been have are notoriously have poor percolation crushing

7230
06:49:16,877 --> 06:49:19,667
high density development directly upstream

7231
06:49:19,667 --> 06:49:23,417
or dumped still and unmanageable runoff volume into an already

7232
06:49:23,417 --> 06:49:24,797
fragile corridor.

7233
06:49:24,797 --> 06:49:27,947
And my very true fear is that stripping this canopy

7234
06:49:27,947 --> 06:49:30,287
and replacing absorbing crown.

7235
06:49:30,287 --> 06:49:34,337
But these surfaces will surely accelerate and enough.

7236
06:49:34,337 --> 06:49:35,237
Thank you.

7237
06:49:35,237 --> 06:49:36,287
Thank you.

7238
06:49:36,287 --> 06:49:40,577
Thank you, Jillian price up next and Mark Esplin

7239
06:49:40,577 --> 06:49:44,177
is on deck OK, Good evening.

7240
06:49:47,662 --> 06:49:48,172
Thank you.

7241
06:49:48,172 --> 06:49:49,255
My name is Julianne price.

7242
06:49:49,255 --> 06:49:50,505
I'm in the Whitehall district.

7243
06:49:50,505 --> 06:49:52,239
And I live with my family at 3:30.

7244
06:49:52,239 --> 06:49:54,364
Wendy Nolan the center of the sea.

7245
06:49:54,364 --> 06:49:56,447
I had initially planned to talk about our concerns

7246
06:49:56,447 --> 06:49:58,700
and objections regarding the easement

7247
06:49:58,700 --> 06:50:00,959
and whether or not we feel like Mr. or the applicant

7248
06:50:00,959 --> 06:50:04,150
is able to build this path across that at this point

7249
06:50:04,150 --> 06:50:05,807
we have felt like we had to retain counsel.

7250
06:50:05,807 --> 06:50:11,870
So we have continued concerns, but I will leave those to him.

7251
06:50:11,870 --> 06:50:14,319
I want to thank all of you and the counties staff and all

7252
06:50:14,319 --> 06:50:15,527
the members of our community.

7253
06:50:15,527 --> 06:50:17,717
There's so many people here for taking all the time

7254
06:50:17,717 --> 06:50:20,777
to examine this proposal We know that what remains

7255
06:50:20,777 --> 06:50:22,547
within the Crozet growth area is largely

7256
06:50:22,547 --> 06:50:24,798
other unusual parcels like Windy Knoll,

7257
06:50:24,798 --> 06:50:27,707
little bits of former farmland and family subdivisions that

7258
06:50:27,707 --> 06:50:30,322
have not yet been sold off or up zoned,

7259
06:50:30,322 --> 06:50:32,447
I believe that the board has an opportunity tonight

7260
06:50:32,447 --> 06:50:34,607
to set the tone for how current residents

7261
06:50:34,607 --> 06:50:37,367
within and around infill parcels are treated.

7262
06:50:37,367 --> 06:50:39,230
You can reinforce that we are simply

7263
06:50:39,230 --> 06:50:42,830
an obstacle to the developer's goal of maximum allowable units

7264
06:50:42,830 --> 06:50:43,919
and that our existence is.

7265
06:50:43,919 --> 06:50:46,872
But an annoyance Or you can echo the values that the Planning

7266
06:50:46,872 --> 06:50:48,497
Commission and the spirit of the master

7267
06:50:48,497 --> 06:50:51,167
plan that existing community members are partners

7268
06:50:51,167 --> 06:50:53,717
whose lived experience and knowledge of their neighborhoods

7269
06:50:53,717 --> 06:50:57,647
can inform responsible growth So many members of our community

7270
06:50:57,647 --> 06:50:59,927
have repeatedly come together in meaningfully

7271
06:50:59,927 --> 06:51:03,144
contribute to raise an objection to this plan Some of those

7272
06:51:03,144 --> 06:51:04,274
have been addressed.

7273
06:51:04,274 --> 06:51:05,405
Many have not.

7274
06:51:05,405 --> 06:51:08,147
Many of our neighbors do not have the same privilege

7275
06:51:08,147 --> 06:51:10,370
and opportunities for engagement that we

7276
06:51:10,370 --> 06:51:14,447
have had for a wide variety of reasons language, health, money.

7277
06:51:14,447 --> 06:51:16,667
I really worry about the next family

7278
06:51:16,667 --> 06:51:18,977
that sits in the middle of the next infill development.

7279
06:51:18,977 --> 06:51:22,970
Elmore County and who does not have the resources or the time

7280
06:51:22,970 --> 06:51:25,577
or the ability to contest a plan that prioritizes quantity

7281
06:51:25,577 --> 06:51:26,837
over function.

7282
06:51:26,837 --> 06:51:29,717
I urge you to be clear in your evaluation tonight

7283
06:51:29,717 --> 06:51:32,870
that the county expects respectful, reasonable design

7284
06:51:32,870 --> 06:51:35,177
for cohesive neighborhoods that function in reality and not just

7285
06:51:35,177 --> 06:51:37,157
on paper, and that the burden of do

7286
06:51:37,157 --> 06:51:40,187
diligence and negotiations should rest on the applicant,

7287
06:51:40,187 --> 06:51:42,347
not on the abutting residents.

7288
06:51:42,347 --> 06:51:44,850
That is not been the case here.

7289
06:51:44,850 --> 06:51:46,674
And this applicant has had enough chances to get it right.

7290
06:51:46,674 --> 06:51:48,257
Since he began talking with the county

7291
06:51:48,257 --> 06:51:50,597
about rezoning in March of 2025.

7292
06:51:50,597 --> 06:51:52,427
This is the sixth official version

7293
06:51:52,427 --> 06:51:54,557
for a density of R six or higher.

7294
06:51:54,557 --> 06:51:57,497
The way to address this problem and all the problems

7295
06:51:57,497 --> 06:51:59,477
with this design and its negative implications

7296
06:51:59,477 --> 06:52:00,894
for the environment and the people

7297
06:52:00,894 --> 06:52:03,887
who live around this property is to reduce the number of units

7298
06:52:03,887 --> 06:52:06,317
to a level that is a proper effort for this land

7299
06:52:06,317 --> 06:52:08,175
and its unique constraints.

7300
06:52:08,175 --> 06:52:10,217
Maybe that involves reversing the northern curve.

7301
06:52:10,217 --> 06:52:11,747
Someone from the southern parcel.

7302
06:52:11,747 --> 06:52:14,507
So we reduce the infrastructure burden on future residents

7303
06:52:14,507 --> 06:52:17,870
and we stop pretending that a C shaped sloped parcel

7304
06:52:17,870 --> 06:52:19,757
with our property in the middle and three separate access

7305
06:52:19,757 --> 06:52:21,677
points from three different areas

7306
06:52:21,677 --> 06:52:27,770
is actually a neighborhood There are the real potential

7307
06:52:27,197 --> 06:52:29,920
and community support here for an

7308
06:52:29,920 --> 06:52:33,732
for designation with up to 9 or 10 dwelling units in this area.

7309
06:52:33,732 --> 06:52:35,767
We are ready to welcome your neighbors.

7310
06:52:35,767 --> 06:52:36,767
I'm ready for the event.

7311
06:52:36,767 --> 06:52:38,417
This trees next to you to be cut down

7312
06:52:38,417 --> 06:52:40,667
for that site to be maintained but please

7313
06:52:40,667 --> 06:52:43,157
deny the CMA so that we can move on

7314
06:52:43,157 --> 06:52:46,367
and work towards a reasonable, realistic and respectful plan

7315
06:52:46,367 --> 06:52:49,877
that will serve all of us.

7316
06:52:49,877 --> 06:52:55,277
Mark esplin and Darren Price's on deck Good evening.

7317
06:53:01,912 --> 06:53:03,450
My name is Mark Esplin.

7318
06:53:03,450 --> 06:53:06,120
I live in quarry Farm on Little Fox Lane.

7319
06:53:06,120 --> 06:53:07,975
I submitted a counterproposal to the committee.

7320
06:53:07,975 --> 06:53:09,767
I'm sorry that I created so much confusion.

7321
06:53:09,767 --> 06:53:13,387
That was not my intent The reason I wanted to submit this

7322
06:53:13,387 --> 06:53:15,874
is that is something that we as neighbors believe

7323
06:53:15,874 --> 06:53:18,470
could be more appropriate and really blends

7324
06:53:18,470 --> 06:53:21,227
for our one quarry farm in the R six Liberty Hall.

7325
06:53:21,227 --> 06:53:24,227
That is around the area.

7326
06:53:24,597 --> 06:53:26,597
I believe this is something that would be closer

7327
06:53:26,597 --> 06:53:30,918
to like an R3R4 zoning and also looks like our state.

7328
06:53:30,918 --> 06:53:36,770
If you and the r three zoning does comply with the Cruzan

7329
06:53:36,770 --> 06:53:39,170
master plan, it looked to us that the easement

7330
06:53:39,170 --> 06:53:41,807
needed for the Eastern Avenue construction extended deeper

7331
06:53:41,807 --> 06:53:44,570
into the area than what the applicant chose.

7332
06:53:44,570 --> 06:53:47,870
And this is according to the county's own exhibits on Eastern

7333
06:53:47,870 --> 06:53:51,527
Avenue So while the proposal showed and left you

7334
06:53:51,527 --> 06:53:53,837
at least that area open because we didn't want

7335
06:53:53,837 --> 06:53:56,604
to add infrastructure or amenities that would be impacted

7336
06:53:56,604 --> 06:53:57,437
by the construction.

7337
06:53:57,437 --> 06:53:59,867
And without further clarification on how large

7338
06:53:59,867 --> 06:54:03,600
that easement is, maybe there could be a path there maybe

7339
06:54:03,600 --> 06:54:06,170
that due to timing of be best to just have the two parcels

7340
06:54:06,170 --> 06:54:08,170
developed separately.

7341
06:54:08,270 --> 06:54:11,282
The sketch that I provided you was done by a lay person,

7342
06:54:11,282 --> 06:54:12,763
like I'm a chemical engineer.

7343
06:54:12,763 --> 06:54:14,957
My forte is in vaccine purification

7344
06:54:14,957 --> 06:54:16,757
and protein separation.

7345
06:54:16,757 --> 06:54:18,737
So this is something, not something

7346
06:54:18,737 --> 06:54:21,197
that I do on a daily basis And I understand

7347
06:54:21,197 --> 06:54:22,937
that there would need to be adjustments

7348
06:54:22,937 --> 06:54:25,307
and that this is just a talking point

7349
06:54:25,307 --> 06:54:27,497
But nonetheless, this layout has a lot of benefits

7350
06:54:27,497 --> 06:54:29,447
that the neighborhood and talking

7351
06:54:29,447 --> 06:54:31,277
with the rest of our neighbors agree

7352
06:54:31,277 --> 06:54:33,770
that would be very beneficial.

7353
06:54:33,770 --> 06:54:35,270
Namely, it would provide opportunity

7354
06:54:35,270 --> 06:54:39,257
to preserve the mature trees that are within the area.

7355
06:54:39,257 --> 06:54:41,870
It could reduce the stormwater runoff

7356
06:54:41,870 --> 06:54:44,147
because you have less permeable surfaces and greater green space

7357
06:54:44,147 --> 06:54:47,788
with the trees It provides more opportunity for setback

7358
06:54:47,788 --> 06:54:49,838
and Bunbury with the existing neighbors.

7359
06:54:49,838 --> 06:54:52,277
It would give us some more green space

7360
06:54:52,277 --> 06:54:53,957
for residents and children.

7361
06:54:53,957 --> 06:54:57,210
There will be lots of children in the area The buses are

7362
06:54:57,210 --> 06:54:57,617
already full.

7363
06:54:57,617 --> 06:54:58,187
That's great.

7364
06:54:58,187 --> 06:54:59,507
The more children, the merrier.

7365
06:54:59,507 --> 06:55:01,728
My kids can play with them and they

7366
06:55:01,728 --> 06:55:04,259
will be less light and noise and distract disruption

7367
06:55:04,259 --> 06:55:04,967
to the neighbors.

7368
06:55:04,967 --> 06:55:07,607
Fewer parking constraints, reduce traffic

7369
06:55:07,607 --> 06:55:11,147
to fine road, greater privacy for Patriot Way.

7370
06:55:11,147 --> 06:55:13,386
So in that proposal there would just be one unit.

7371
06:55:13,386 --> 06:55:15,511
They would be facing Patriot way instead of the six

7372
06:55:15,511 --> 06:55:18,227
and it would decrease the likelihood of foot traffic

7373
06:55:18,227 --> 06:55:19,937
across existing property.

7374
06:55:19,937 --> 06:55:22,103
So this viewpoint is something that could be done.

7375
06:55:22,103 --> 06:55:24,381
And there could be a transition from the quarry farm

7376
06:55:24,381 --> 06:55:26,203
neighborhood to the library, whole neighborhood.

7377
06:55:26,203 --> 06:55:27,342
It would enable the considerations

7378
06:55:27,342 --> 06:55:28,759
of difficulty issues that might be

7379
06:55:28,759 --> 06:55:30,407
present in the current design.

7380
06:55:30,407 --> 06:55:31,937
Again, we're all for having infill.

7381
06:55:31,937 --> 06:55:34,937
We understand the need for growth and welcome new neighbors

7382
06:55:34,937 --> 06:55:36,630
when they do arrive.

7383
06:55:36,630 --> 06:55:38,357
We we're all in favor of having more housing

7384
06:55:38,357 --> 06:55:41,147
and having affordable housing in the area and the design

7385
06:55:41,147 --> 06:55:43,727
that I submitted has affordable units

7386
06:55:43,727 --> 06:55:46,367
and mixed use of townhomes, duplexes and single family

7387
06:55:46,367 --> 06:55:47,920
homes.

7388
06:55:47,920 --> 06:55:48,467
We believe that this is something

7389
06:55:48,467 --> 06:55:50,357
that the neighborhood would indeed support

7390
06:55:50,357 --> 06:55:53,237
and that we are more than welcoming for something

7391
06:55:53,237 --> 06:55:55,700
along this nature.

7392
06:55:55,700 --> 06:55:56,237
Thank you very much.

7393
06:55:56,237 --> 06:55:57,897
Thank you.

7394
06:55:57,897 --> 06:55:58,397
Thank you.

7395
06:55:58,397 --> 06:56:02,580
Taryn Price and Travis Britton is on deck

7396
06:56:02,580 --> 06:56:06,180
to turn price I live at 331.

7397
06:56:09,587 --> 06:56:14,460
You know, Julianne, everyone's made a great point I largely

7398
06:56:14,460 --> 06:56:15,687
agree with all of them.

7399
06:56:15,687 --> 06:56:17,526
And I don't have a 3 minute prepared speech

7400
06:56:17,526 --> 06:56:18,548
that I have time.

7401
06:56:18,548 --> 06:56:19,774
I have full time job.

7402
06:56:19,774 --> 06:56:23,477
And as Mark does as well, I mostly just

7403
06:56:23,477 --> 06:56:27,499
wanted you to know i, I haven't slept well

7404
06:56:27,499 --> 06:56:28,457
in three days at least.

7405
06:56:28,457 --> 06:56:32,417
I hardly even i don't know if I can make it

7406
06:56:32,417 --> 06:56:39,470
through this talk It makes you feel physically ill to be here

7407
06:56:39,470 --> 06:56:43,667
to defend this again We spent a lot of time talking

7408
06:56:43,667 --> 06:56:47,777
about the extra five feet on each side.

7409
06:56:47,777 --> 06:56:51,137
I'm staring at the picture now and I

7410
06:56:51,137 --> 06:56:54,342
think that's largely because there are no significant changes

7411
06:56:54,342 --> 06:56:56,717
to the previous plan that the Planning Commission already

7412
06:56:56,717 --> 06:56:57,677
denied us 5 to 1.

7413
06:56:57,677 --> 06:56:59,270
It wasn't close.

7414
06:56:59,270 --> 06:57:02,230
It wasn't like it almost passed its 5 to 1.

7415
06:57:02,230 --> 06:57:04,106
The main changes are these tiny incremental things

7416
06:57:04,106 --> 06:57:06,102
in that the expression that comes to mind.

7417
06:57:06,102 --> 06:57:07,727
I don't mean to be ungrateful, but it's

7418
06:57:07,727 --> 06:57:10,127
like it's putting lipstick on a pig.

7419
06:57:10,127 --> 06:57:12,944
It's it's not a well-balanced plan.

7420
06:57:12,944 --> 06:57:15,557
I'm starting to feel, frankly, kind of bullish

7421
06:57:15,557 --> 06:57:19,307
about that corner of our land that gives us

7422
06:57:19,307 --> 06:57:20,737
access to Liberty Hall.

7423
06:57:20,737 --> 06:57:22,487
I don't know what's going to happen there,

7424
06:57:22,487 --> 06:57:23,807
and I guarantee nothing's off.

7425
06:57:23,807 --> 06:57:25,937
You approve this, approve it knowing

7426
06:57:25,937 --> 06:57:28,607
that we don't know what's going to happen with that I think it's

7427
06:57:28,607 --> 06:57:31,517
interesting that the Planning Commission repeatedly emphasized

7428
06:57:31,517 --> 06:57:35,870
that there should be community engagement from the applicant.

7429
06:57:35,870 --> 06:57:37,539
I have seen zero evidence of that,

7430
06:57:37,539 --> 06:57:39,982
and instead, I feel like it's our job.

7431
06:57:39,982 --> 06:57:45,467
Like Mark's making his own plan Why isn't my responsibility

7432
06:57:45,467 --> 06:57:50,267
removed here from Hog Waller and our two bedroom house too cozy

7433
06:57:50,267 --> 06:57:53,417
where I used to be a teacher because I love cozy

7434
06:57:53,417 --> 06:57:55,890
and I love the community.

7435
06:57:55,890 --> 06:57:58,432
And I love the neighbors that I've met through this process.

7436
06:57:58,432 --> 06:57:59,417
But I never did.

7437
06:57:59,417 --> 06:58:02,687
I imagine that I would have to look, defend my land.

7438
06:58:02,687 --> 06:58:03,599
It feels like.

7439
06:58:03,599 --> 06:58:06,470
And this like John Dutton, West What is that?

7440
06:58:06,470 --> 06:58:07,775
What does that show?

7441
06:58:07,775 --> 06:58:10,847
You know what I'm talking about it.

7442
06:58:10,847 --> 06:58:12,897
11 units like next to my house.

7443
06:58:12,897 --> 06:58:13,397
Yes.

7444
06:58:13,397 --> 06:58:14,357
I expected neighbors.

7445
06:58:14,357 --> 06:58:15,797
I was very excited to have neighbors.

7446
06:58:15,797 --> 06:58:16,670
One day.

7447
06:58:16,670 --> 06:58:18,150
We call that the tennis playground because there's

7448
06:58:18,150 --> 06:58:19,700
junk all over it.

7449
06:58:19,700 --> 06:58:21,174
I'm excited to see it cleaned up and have neighbors.

7450
06:58:21,174 --> 06:58:22,217
But like 11 units.

7451
06:58:22,217 --> 06:58:23,387
Are you serious?

7452
06:58:23,387 --> 06:58:26,400
These three acres aren't a buildable three acres

7453
06:58:26,400 --> 06:58:27,587
and it doesn't match the neighborhood.

7454
06:58:27,587 --> 06:58:29,379
And I understand the need for more housing.

7455
06:58:29,379 --> 06:58:32,987
But this is an appropriate part of the master plan.

7456
06:58:32,987 --> 06:58:34,997
Says this should match the existing neighborhood

7457
06:58:34,997 --> 06:58:36,767
adds the community is telling you

7458
06:58:36,767 --> 06:58:38,717
they want fewer houses there.

7459
06:58:38,717 --> 06:58:40,751
Make it work with the land as it is.

7460
06:58:40,751 --> 06:58:42,874
And if you've been there, you know how Soviet is.

7461
06:58:42,874 --> 06:58:44,666
You can't build in that little middle part.

7462
06:58:44,666 --> 06:58:48,467
That's why there's a retention pond I don't know what else

7463
06:58:48,467 --> 06:58:52,265
to say, but I think I'm going to take a good nap after this.

7464
06:58:52,265 --> 06:58:54,683
And I'm going to try not to throw up in my seat.

7465
06:58:54,683 --> 06:58:56,543
And I hope that at the end of this.

7466
06:58:56,543 --> 06:58:59,807
It feels like we were heard.

7467
06:58:59,807 --> 06:59:01,437
Thank you.

7468
06:59:01,437 --> 06:59:01,937
Thank you.

7469
06:59:01,937 --> 06:59:06,507
Travis Britton and Steve Walsworth is on deck.

7470
06:59:06,507 --> 06:59:07,700
All right.

7471
06:59:07,700 --> 06:59:09,360
Good evening, Travis Brendon from law firm

7472
06:59:09,360 --> 06:59:11,270
of Music Peeler and Garrett, I represent

7473
06:59:11,270 --> 06:59:13,757
Julian Price who lives in 330.

7474
06:59:13,757 --> 06:59:15,257
Most of the discussion has, I think,

7475
06:59:15,257 --> 06:59:17,447
appropriately focused on the matters

7476
06:59:17,447 --> 06:59:19,607
in front of the board purview.

7477
06:59:19,607 --> 06:59:22,517
Stormwater is the density, the appropriate

7478
06:59:22,517 --> 06:59:24,767
now is the rezoning, which is what's before the board.

7479
06:59:24,767 --> 06:59:27,437
Tonight I want to raise three issues related

7480
06:59:27,437 --> 06:59:30,437
to the proposed public path.

7481
06:59:30,860 --> 06:59:32,837
The path there.

7482
06:59:32,837 --> 06:59:35,357
I don't believe that's a shared use path because it's not

7483
06:59:35,357 --> 06:59:39,437
ten feet, but regardless, these also concern the easement.

7484
06:59:39,437 --> 06:59:41,989
I spoke with Mr. Herrick earlier today

7485
06:59:41,989 --> 06:59:43,697
about the first thing that I'll bring up,

7486
06:59:43,697 --> 06:59:45,206
namely the easement on Wendy.

7487
06:59:45,206 --> 06:59:46,669
No, actually, let me see.

7488
06:59:46,669 --> 06:59:47,218
I know.

7489
06:59:47,218 --> 06:59:48,364
Yes, I can move this.

7490
06:59:48,364 --> 06:59:48,864
OK.

7491
06:59:48,864 --> 06:59:53,147
So the easement on Wendy, No land that crosses here,

7492
06:59:53,147 --> 06:59:56,147
this being the Servian estate.

7493
06:59:56,597 --> 06:59:59,537
If there is another easement granted, then we have a tourism.

7494
06:59:59,537 --> 07:00:01,217
It's crossing at this point.

7495
07:00:01,217 --> 07:00:06,377
Now you can burden an easement by an increase degree in use

7496
07:00:06,377 --> 07:00:09,977
without necessarily causing an unreasonable burdening.

7497
07:00:10,307 --> 07:00:12,497
But this would be a change in the type of use

7498
07:00:12,497 --> 07:00:15,572
because we would then have vehicular traffic and pedestrian

7499
07:00:15,572 --> 07:00:18,409
and bike traffic crossing paths at that point.

7500
07:00:18,409 --> 07:00:19,355
Right there.

7501
07:00:19,355 --> 07:00:22,697
Now, I think that there could be disagreement.

7502
07:00:22,697 --> 07:00:25,670
Mr. Hart expressed the opinion that that would not

7503
07:00:25,670 --> 07:00:28,677
be unreasonable Of course, what that means is

7504
07:00:28,677 --> 07:00:31,500
that every trip in and out has to stop.

7505
07:00:31,500 --> 07:00:32,717
And there's the potential of interaction

7506
07:00:32,717 --> 07:00:35,249
And I think that's where the actual feel

7507
07:00:35,249 --> 07:00:36,707
of the thing on the ground is going

7508
07:00:36,707 --> 07:00:40,370
to make a difference because a pedestrian walking along here

7509
07:00:40,370 --> 07:00:42,737
is not going to perceive that this is an actual roadway.

7510
07:00:42,737 --> 07:00:46,487
It's I don't think it's hardly any wider than the proposed path

7511
07:00:46,487 --> 07:00:47,267
itself.

7512
07:00:47,267 --> 07:00:51,287
So the building would be on my client and the inhabitants

7513
07:00:51,287 --> 07:00:55,187
of 330 to make sure that that they're looking out

7514
07:00:55,187 --> 07:01:01,370
for pedestrians who probably are not aware of what this is So

7515
07:01:01,370 --> 07:01:04,457
the second issue with regards to this that I want to bring up

7516
07:01:04,457 --> 07:01:09,227
is the fact that there is a May 2016 property maintenance

7517
07:01:09,227 --> 07:01:14,627
agreement that burdens the parties which at this point,

7518
07:01:15,587 --> 07:01:17,737
there are two parties, the owners of these parcels

7519
07:01:17,737 --> 07:01:19,907
and Harrington and my client here,

7520
07:01:19,907 --> 07:01:24,865
and they are obligated to agree obligated to maintain

7521
07:01:24,865 --> 07:01:25,518
this easement.

7522
07:01:25,518 --> 07:01:28,350
But also, they must agree on no maintenance can be performed.

7523
07:01:28,350 --> 07:01:30,917
Now if we add an additional unit here

7524
07:01:30,917 --> 07:01:34,151
above what currently exists, then there's

7525
07:01:34,151 --> 07:01:35,359
an obligation to maintain it.

7526
07:01:35,359 --> 07:01:39,437
Yet it cannot be maintained unless all three parties agree.

7527
07:01:39,437 --> 07:01:40,937
Now, if there a pothole or something

7528
07:01:40,937 --> 07:01:42,617
that occurs at this point, there would

7529
07:01:42,617 --> 07:01:44,297
be no incentive for these people who,

7530
07:01:44,297 --> 07:01:47,399
by the agreement, which is recorded and part of the deed

7531
07:01:47,399 --> 07:01:51,167
would be obligated to maintain that or share the costs equally

7532
07:01:51,167 --> 07:01:54,857
Why would they approve that when their driveway is here?

7533
07:01:54,857 --> 07:01:56,537
So that's a potential problem.

7534
07:01:56,537 --> 07:01:59,221
But i think would constitute a burden and I'm out of time.

7535
07:01:59,221 --> 07:02:01,543
And I was going to discuss this, but I'll just

7536
07:02:01,543 --> 07:02:04,640
end by saying my client is open to negotiation

7537
07:02:04,640 --> 07:02:06,647
with the developer and we hope to have that conversation open.

7538
07:02:06,647 --> 07:02:07,757
Thank you.

7539
07:02:07,757 --> 07:02:09,270
Thank you.

7540
07:02:09,270 --> 07:02:09,527
Thank you.

7541
07:02:09,527 --> 07:02:14,327
Steve Walls Worth and David track guards truck.

7542
07:02:15,569 --> 07:02:19,169
It's thank you is on deck.

7543
07:02:19,277 --> 07:02:21,617
Good evening supervisors I'm Steve Rose

7544
07:02:21,617 --> 07:02:25,937
what i live in Curry farm for over 23 years now.

7545
07:02:25,937 --> 07:02:29,627
First I want to thank the person supervisors that did come out

7546
07:02:29,627 --> 07:02:31,577
and did a site visit with us that

7547
07:02:31,577 --> 07:02:34,937
was very appreciated by everybody involved

7548
07:02:34,937 --> 07:02:37,367
and it actually shows a representation

7549
07:02:37,367 --> 07:02:40,127
of representative democracy in action.

7550
07:02:40,127 --> 07:02:40,787
I think.

7551
07:02:40,787 --> 07:02:42,787
So thank you.

7552
07:02:42,857 --> 07:02:46,367
Second, you are in favor of more housing.

7553
07:02:46,367 --> 07:02:49,877
We are in favor of affordable housing.

7554
07:02:49,877 --> 07:02:53,627
We are not NIMBYs, as you can tell by everybody talking today,

7555
07:02:53,627 --> 07:02:57,767
they're offering some kind of solution to everything.

7556
07:02:57,767 --> 07:03:00,240
Now down to business as a matter of law.

7557
07:03:00,240 --> 07:03:04,670
This is why this project is here in front of the board

7558
07:03:04,670 --> 07:03:06,977
right now, because the Planning Commission voted

7559
07:03:06,977 --> 07:03:11,809
to not recommend the six reso in a 5 to 1,

7560
07:03:11,809 --> 07:03:13,307
and that's very telling.

7561
07:03:13,307 --> 07:03:16,532
It wasn't a three to 3 or 4 to two.

7562
07:03:16,532 --> 07:03:18,886
It was a 5 to 1.

7563
07:03:18,886 --> 07:03:19,895
Very definitive.

7564
07:03:19,895 --> 07:03:22,247
There was no changes since then.

7565
07:03:22,247 --> 07:03:25,847
There is no changes of any substance from the planning

7566
07:03:25,847 --> 07:03:27,847
commission to now.

7567
07:03:29,270 --> 07:03:32,270
We should be looking at this.

7568
07:03:32,270 --> 07:03:35,270
The use should be looking at a project that

7569
07:03:35,270 --> 07:03:38,177
uses what we call a standard of excellence

7570
07:03:38,177 --> 07:03:40,877
as it's laid out in the board, pursuing and achieving

7571
07:03:40,877 --> 07:03:46,277
excellence in community action as we don't have that.

7572
07:03:46,547 --> 07:03:49,877
But we have we have what do we have?

7573
07:03:49,877 --> 07:03:51,557
We have a heavy financial burden that's

7574
07:03:51,557 --> 07:03:54,797
going to be put on the HOA to maintain all the infrastructure

7575
07:03:54,797 --> 07:03:56,957
that they're responsible for roads,

7576
07:03:56,957 --> 07:04:01,157
driveways stormwater systems, paved and unpaved trails.

7577
07:04:02,239 --> 07:04:06,347
This is especially detrimental to the affordable housing folks

7578
07:04:06,347 --> 07:04:11,870
because now they're going to be faced with a still paid

7579
07:04:11,870 --> 07:04:15,257
for the Affordable house after they've already bought it.

7580
07:04:15,257 --> 07:04:17,867
Connectivity there is still always

7581
07:04:17,867 --> 07:04:20,477
no real connectivity between the north

7582
07:04:20,477 --> 07:04:24,762
end of the development and the south that connects context.

7583
07:04:24,762 --> 07:04:27,347
There's still a context problem.

7584
07:04:27,347 --> 07:04:32,900
The 11 units on the north they don't flow with the all one unit

7585
07:04:32,900 --> 07:04:34,900
unit built in.

7586
07:04:34,247 --> 07:04:37,397
Kori Farm and the model neighborhood

7587
07:04:37,397 --> 07:04:41,177
built in the Liberty Hall It just about flow trees.

7588
07:04:41,177 --> 07:04:43,997
There's 150 year old trees that are there.

7589
07:04:43,997 --> 07:04:46,727
They're native to Virginia and they're

7590
07:04:46,727 --> 07:04:49,337
just there's no plan to preserve those.

7591
07:04:49,337 --> 07:04:52,187
And those were outlined in the Charlottesville area.

7592
07:04:52,187 --> 07:04:55,280
Trees, stewards study, and they were

7593
07:04:55,280 --> 07:04:58,577
adamant about trying to save those trees.

7594
07:04:58,577 --> 07:05:01,250
The current master plan as it's laid out,

7595
07:05:01,250 --> 07:05:03,257
is follows densities concerned.

7596
07:05:03,257 --> 07:05:07,700
It says actual density as a singular tool does not

7597
07:05:07,700 --> 07:05:09,407
necessarily promote affordable housing.

7598
07:05:10,187 --> 07:05:13,787
There are other factors to consider but they are.

7599
07:05:13,787 --> 07:05:18,677
So this is concerns not change since the Planning Commission

7600
07:05:18,677 --> 07:05:19,607
vote.

7601
07:05:19,607 --> 07:05:23,717
Yet here we are Thank you for.

7602
07:05:23,717 --> 07:05:29,717
Thank you, David trekker Rich and Philip Wade on deck.

7603
07:05:31,187 --> 07:05:32,327
Hello.

7604
07:05:32,327 --> 07:05:35,990
Albemarle county board of supervisors How y'all doing?

7605
07:05:35,990 --> 07:05:35,599
Good.

7606
07:05:35,599 --> 07:05:36,843
Here's three minutes for everything

7607
07:05:36,843 --> 07:05:38,627
you can just check out because, I mean,

7608
07:05:38,627 --> 07:05:41,597
it is related because I'm in right hall, Crazy district,

7609
07:05:41,597 --> 07:05:43,907
and I'm so I'm sorry.

7610
07:05:43,907 --> 07:05:45,587
You just need to identify yourself.

7611
07:05:45,587 --> 07:05:53,987
David Gregory So and I am, you know one race and try to wife,

7612
07:05:54,277 --> 07:05:56,337
one race Orchard Acres which you know

7613
07:05:56,337 --> 07:05:58,690
long history of development, you know,

7614
07:05:58,690 --> 07:06:01,970
it was a neighborhood on King Lane

7615
07:06:01,970 --> 07:06:03,437
and then got completely like just

7616
07:06:03,437 --> 07:06:05,987
dumped like it's like a little mini city over there now,

7617
07:06:05,987 --> 07:06:07,487
which is fine because we need houses

7618
07:06:07,487 --> 07:06:09,759
and I'm not for against this, but these are the same.

7619
07:06:09,759 --> 07:06:12,176
You can check out because I just want to actually just say

7620
07:06:12,176 --> 07:06:15,616
like, thank you guys for your service to your community.

7621
07:06:15,616 --> 07:06:21,841
And I know you know, things are, you know we run or anything,

7622
07:06:21,841 --> 07:06:24,874
but thank you for you know, I know we're coming a long way.

7623
07:06:24,874 --> 07:06:29,687
And I just from that corridor and pro smart development

7624
07:06:29,687 --> 07:06:32,279
and pro neighborhoods getting together and fight

7625
07:06:32,279 --> 07:06:34,631
for what they believe in.

7626
07:06:34,631 --> 07:06:35,927
So just that's it.

7627
07:06:35,927 --> 07:06:37,443
Just thank you guys for being here.

7628
07:06:37,443 --> 07:06:38,987
You guys for being here developers

7629
07:06:38,987 --> 07:06:41,327
for wanting to invest in the community

7630
07:06:41,327 --> 07:06:44,357
even if the community may not be heads right now,

7631
07:06:44,357 --> 07:06:47,475
but, you know, it's all would be good.

7632
07:06:47,475 --> 07:06:48,170
So thank you.

7633
07:06:48,170 --> 07:06:49,817
That's all I have to say.

7634
07:06:49,817 --> 07:06:50,357
Thank you.

7635
07:06:50,357 --> 07:06:54,557
Appreciate Philip Wade and I'm not even

7636
07:06:54,935 --> 07:07:00,587
going to try that actually has a challenging name for a Beamer NG

7637
07:07:00,587 --> 07:07:02,147
Liang.

7638
07:07:02,147 --> 07:07:04,937
Exactly This is on deck.

7639
07:07:04,937 --> 07:07:05,777
Good evening.

7640
07:07:05,777 --> 07:07:06,767
Good evening.

7641
07:07:06,767 --> 07:07:09,287
My name is Philip Wade and i am in the Whitehall district

7642
07:07:09,287 --> 07:07:11,147
and I'm at 5340 Glenview Court right

7643
07:07:11,147 --> 07:07:14,327
across the street from the proposed 11 units

7644
07:07:14,327 --> 07:07:16,787
in the north up there.

7645
07:07:16,787 --> 07:07:20,302
I did want to first address the master plan because that's

7646
07:07:20,302 --> 07:07:23,597
been discussed a little bit when I bought my house this was not

7647
07:07:23,597 --> 07:07:24,677
in the development area.

7648
07:07:24,677 --> 07:07:27,327
So there has been a significant change from the original master

7649
07:07:27,327 --> 07:07:27,827
plan.

7650
07:07:27,827 --> 07:07:29,910
This was not in the development area that was down

7651
07:07:29,910 --> 07:07:32,477
near Old Trail and now it has been

7652
07:07:32,477 --> 07:07:34,886
changed, which was done right around Covid

7653
07:07:34,886 --> 07:07:37,847
when people were, you know, unable to get out as much.

7654
07:07:37,847 --> 07:07:41,330
And that's when it was changed And so, you know,

7655
07:07:41,330 --> 07:07:42,555
when I bought my home.

7656
07:07:42,555 --> 07:07:46,664
This was, you know, I see single family units everywhere.

7657
07:07:46,664 --> 07:07:51,137
And, now you're talking about 11 units on one acre

7658
07:07:51,137 --> 07:07:53,117
across the street from me.

7659
07:07:53,117 --> 07:07:57,595
If they we're looking to do 11 acres, 11 units on one acre,

7660
07:07:57,595 --> 07:07:59,871
you would most likely just say no.

7661
07:07:59,871 --> 07:08:03,347
But they've bought, other parcels that are not buildable

7662
07:08:03,347 --> 07:08:05,777
and now all of a sudden 11 units is okay there.

7663
07:08:05,777 --> 07:08:09,407
That just doesn't make much sense to me.

7664
07:08:09,407 --> 07:08:10,937
There has been no communique motion,

7665
07:08:10,937 --> 07:08:13,547
despite the Planning Commission asking them to communicate

7666
07:08:13,547 --> 07:08:14,339
with the neighbors.

7667
07:08:14,339 --> 07:08:16,517
Have I have received no communication I didn't even

7668
07:08:16,517 --> 07:08:20,657
recognize Justin when I saw him there

7669
07:08:20,657 --> 07:08:22,351
because I didn't know who he was,

7670
07:08:22,351 --> 07:08:24,570
because he's never talked to me before.

7671
07:08:24,570 --> 07:08:28,203
And I'm right across the street The planning commission did

7672
07:08:28,203 --> 07:08:29,745
ask for less units on the north side.

7673
07:08:29,745 --> 07:08:30,772
I want to be clear.

7674
07:08:30,772 --> 07:08:33,145
They did not ask for HyperFlex 11 here or there.

7675
07:08:33,145 --> 07:08:36,521
They asked for less units in the north and more in the south.

7676
07:08:36,521 --> 07:08:38,517
And I understand that they can't do that.

7677
07:08:38,517 --> 07:08:40,184
But that's a restriction of the property

7678
07:08:40,184 --> 07:08:42,843
and that shouldn't be something that we have to deal with.

7679
07:08:42,843 --> 07:08:45,947
That's a restriction of the property.

7680
07:08:45,947 --> 07:08:48,167
There should be less units there.

7681
07:08:48,167 --> 07:08:50,892
And he's asked what the concern was with the more units.

7682
07:08:50,892 --> 07:08:53,267
And I would say, in addition, everything else we've said,

7683
07:08:53,267 --> 07:08:56,807
the appeal when you were about to build a $40 million

7684
07:08:56,807 --> 07:08:59,322
new Eastern Avenue road here and the one

7685
07:08:59,322 --> 07:09:00,947
of the first things you're going to see

7686
07:09:00,947 --> 07:09:03,317
is the backside of townhomes.

7687
07:09:03,317 --> 07:09:06,289
I just don't think that is is the way that we

7688
07:09:06,289 --> 07:09:07,247
should be doing things.

7689
07:09:07,247 --> 07:09:11,447
And i wanted to ask one question.

7690
07:09:12,507 --> 07:09:14,507
I don't know if we know the answer to yet, which

7691
07:09:14,507 --> 07:09:18,347
is it said there was a total of 18 units allowed

7692
07:09:18,347 --> 07:09:20,387
between the two, but I was wondering

7693
07:09:20,387 --> 07:09:25,710
if that includes the existing home or is this 18 new units?

7694
07:09:25,710 --> 07:09:27,252
So that was the other question that I

7695
07:09:27,252 --> 07:09:28,606
had that I don't think was addressed.

7696
07:09:28,606 --> 07:09:29,282
I appreciate it.

7697
07:09:29,282 --> 07:09:30,805
I'm going to leave the rest of my time

7698
07:09:30,805 --> 07:09:32,222
because that's what I have to say,

7699
07:09:32,222 --> 07:09:34,619
I hope that I don't I hope that.

7700
07:09:34,619 --> 07:09:37,487
And my pediatrician wife don't have to move from this county

7701
07:09:37,487 --> 07:09:38,907
if you approve this.

7702
07:09:38,907 --> 07:09:40,907
And we have one units across the street from us.

7703
07:09:40,907 --> 07:09:43,307
Thank you Thank you.

7704
07:09:43,487 --> 07:09:45,257
Thank you.

7705
07:09:45,257 --> 07:09:49,457
There, Lang, I was I even close.

7706
07:09:50,415 --> 07:09:51,302
Yes, you.

7707
07:09:51,302 --> 07:09:54,557
You got a pretty good, good attempt I appreciate your grace.

7708
07:09:54,557 --> 07:09:56,507
All right.

7709
07:09:56,507 --> 07:09:58,607
So I want to thank you all for being here

7710
07:09:58,607 --> 07:10:04,535
And I see a lot of questions in front of developers

7711
07:10:04,535 --> 07:10:09,347
and designers and our I want to thank my neighbors asking really

7712
07:10:09,347 --> 07:10:10,970
questions.

7713
07:10:10,970 --> 07:10:11,987
I don't have much to say, but I just

7714
07:10:11,987 --> 07:10:16,367
want to sort of put on some, you know like question to you

7715
07:10:16,367 --> 07:10:20,509
because end of the day, this is not just about 18 homes,

7716
07:10:20,509 --> 07:10:22,766
like 18 houses on a piece of property.

7717
07:10:22,766 --> 07:10:23,267
Right?

7718
07:10:23,267 --> 07:10:25,273
It's really about what kind of neighborhood.

7719
07:10:25,273 --> 07:10:27,280
We want to preserve and what kind

7720
07:10:27,280 --> 07:10:30,280
of development, our existing infrastructure

7721
07:10:30,295 --> 07:10:32,295
can safely support.

7722
07:10:32,357 --> 07:10:34,517
And I have been calling for I live

7723
07:10:34,517 --> 07:10:36,287
in Korea for leader Fox team.

7724
07:10:36,287 --> 07:10:40,500
My heart is right up against existing home

7725
07:10:40,500 --> 07:10:43,500
on this When Island sweet 25.

7726
07:10:43,743 --> 07:10:48,212
And I been there for more than 20 years, I enjoy my home there.

7727
07:10:48,212 --> 07:10:51,632
And I think this is if you are having your hand is

7728
07:10:51,632 --> 07:10:56,477
is big because once these homes are built the increased traffic

7729
07:10:56,477 --> 07:11:00,587
density changing neighborhood character will be permanent.

7730
07:11:00,587 --> 07:11:04,181
It's a decision you have to make with your with your choices is

7731
07:11:04,181 --> 07:11:05,594
going to change.

7732
07:11:05,594 --> 07:11:08,291
My life quite big and the changing

7733
07:11:08,291 --> 07:11:11,747
my life and the life of my neighbors quite a lot.

7734
07:11:11,747 --> 07:11:14,627
And I respect respectfully ask permission to take care.

7735
07:11:14,627 --> 07:11:17,327
Careful look beyond the number of proposed units.

7736
07:11:17,327 --> 07:11:20,477
And consider this cumulative effect on this.

7737
07:11:20,477 --> 07:11:22,367
You know, just things we our neighbors

7738
07:11:22,367 --> 07:11:27,167
have mentioned as stormwater and the traffic safety,

7739
07:11:27,466 --> 07:11:30,466
infrastructure to even naturally resources

7740
07:11:30,502 --> 07:11:33,500
and the competitive compatibility about.

7741
07:11:33,500 --> 07:11:34,673
So our neighbors.

7742
07:11:34,673 --> 07:11:37,140
So this so I want to say, you know

7743
07:11:37,140 --> 07:11:38,976
I think I'm the last one to speak.

7744
07:11:38,976 --> 07:11:42,527
So I just want to preserve some time So you know,

7745
07:11:42,527 --> 07:11:44,717
we can maybe hopefully we can go home early.

7746
07:11:44,717 --> 07:11:47,117
Thank you Thank you.

7747
07:11:47,565 --> 07:11:48,260
We you.

7748
07:11:48,260 --> 07:11:50,346
You're the last one to speak in person,

7749
07:11:50,346 --> 07:11:54,197
but now are switching to online Lisa Gaylor her.

7750
07:11:54,197 --> 07:11:58,397
Goler Can we can you hear me?

7751
07:11:58,971 --> 07:11:59,471
Yes.

7752
07:11:59,471 --> 07:12:00,210
Good evening.

7753
07:12:00,210 --> 07:12:00,387
Yes.

7754
07:12:00,387 --> 07:12:00,754
OK.

7755
07:12:00,754 --> 07:12:01,254
Hi.

7756
07:12:01,254 --> 07:12:02,777
I am lisa Gaylor.

7757
07:12:02,777 --> 07:12:08,870
I am a resident of Cozy in the Whitehall magisterial district.

7758
07:12:08,870 --> 07:12:13,277
I live in the southwestern part of Cozy, so I'm not a neighbor

7759
07:12:13,277 --> 07:12:16,937
but I'm interested in that sort of the,

7760
07:12:16,937 --> 07:12:19,997
I guess the development of growth in cozy

7761
07:12:19,997 --> 07:12:22,217
and as first of all, I'd also like

7762
07:12:22,217 --> 07:12:23,897
to say pretty much everything I was

7763
07:12:23,897 --> 07:12:26,247
going to say has already been said by the other speakers

7764
07:12:26,247 --> 07:12:26,747
very well.

7765
07:12:26,747 --> 07:12:29,144
And I want to also say that I heartily support them.

7766
07:12:29,144 --> 07:12:32,378
And so one of the points that I did want to talk about

7767
07:12:32,378 --> 07:12:35,597
was the challenges of the infill.

7768
07:12:35,597 --> 07:12:38,597
It looks like most of what we're going to be doing now in Crozet

7769
07:12:38,597 --> 07:12:41,987
is going to be infill and it's those

7770
07:12:41,987 --> 07:12:43,158
are more of challenged lots.

7771
07:12:43,158 --> 07:12:45,737
I think we're pretty much developed on all the low hanging

7772
07:12:45,737 --> 07:12:49,937
fruit and I'm concerned when I see

7773
07:12:50,597 --> 07:12:54,197
consider ation of these infill projects being compared

7774
07:12:54,197 --> 07:12:58,937
to the properties next to them, which may be more easily,

7775
07:12:58,937 --> 07:13:04,337
easily developable and develop or whatever to build on.

7776
07:13:04,397 --> 07:13:08,957
I think we need to look at each one of these infill properties.

7777
07:13:08,957 --> 07:13:10,817
Individ Surely, as has been pointed out

7778
07:13:10,817 --> 07:13:13,397
by the other commentators, there's

7779
07:13:13,397 --> 07:13:16,367
a lot of challenges in this particular property.

7780
07:13:16,367 --> 07:13:21,377
And so just assuming that because it has three acres,

7781
07:13:21,377 --> 07:13:25,517
you can put 18 units on it, what will that do to the land?

7782
07:13:25,517 --> 07:13:27,470
What will that again, what will that

7783
07:13:27,470 --> 07:13:32,267
do down the road for a for the people

7784
07:13:32,267 --> 07:13:33,827
who end up becoming residents?

7785
07:13:33,827 --> 07:13:38,870
And what will happen to other county infrastructure

7786
07:13:38,870 --> 07:13:39,917
potentially also.

7787
07:13:39,917 --> 07:13:44,117
And also yeah, I think that's probably

7788
07:13:46,907 --> 07:13:50,439
the most main thing that I that i want to talk about as

7789
07:13:50,439 --> 07:13:54,257
has also been said, you know, we're not NIMBYs,

7790
07:13:54,257 --> 07:13:57,317
but we're interested in having really good growth.

7791
07:13:57,317 --> 07:14:02,777
We want developments that will meet our needs including housing

7792
07:14:02,777 --> 07:14:06,797
affordability, but also provide benefits to the community

7793
07:14:06,797 --> 07:14:08,477
and protect the environment.

7794
07:14:08,477 --> 07:14:11,477
And these things are critical.

7795
07:14:11,837 --> 07:14:15,257
And I'm a little concerned because so far it

7796
07:14:15,257 --> 07:14:19,492
doesn't seem like we have any guidelines in available

7797
07:14:19,492 --> 07:14:20,867
for us to be thinking about that.

7798
07:14:20,867 --> 07:14:24,122
So I'd like it if all of us can be thinking, okay, we can.

7799
07:14:24,122 --> 07:14:27,145
We have a number of emails coming up, but you know,

7800
07:14:27,145 --> 07:14:29,957
what are the ways that we want to think about these things?

7801
07:14:29,957 --> 07:14:33,347
I think the community members, the county and developers

7802
07:14:33,347 --> 07:14:35,387
need to collaborate with this.

7803
07:14:35,387 --> 07:14:39,437
And with that, again, I like to say I strongly support

7804
07:14:39,437 --> 07:14:42,497
the comments of the previous commentators

7805
07:14:42,497 --> 07:14:46,427
and I want to thank you for your attention tonight.

7806
07:14:46,427 --> 07:14:47,938
Thank you.

7807
07:14:47,938 --> 07:14:48,438
Thank you.

7808
07:14:48,438 --> 07:14:50,838
Rashmi, give good evening.

7809
07:14:54,287 --> 07:14:55,157
Can you hear me?

7810
07:14:55,157 --> 07:14:55,757
Yes, ma'am.

7811
07:14:55,757 --> 07:14:57,257
Good evening.

7812
07:14:57,257 --> 07:14:58,277
Hi.

7813
07:14:58,277 --> 07:15:02,870
My name is Rashmi Guy and I live in the Whitehall district.

7814
07:15:02,870 --> 07:15:06,527
I have some concerns about the proposed Wendy Knoll development

7815
07:15:06,527 --> 07:15:08,177
First, I'm concerned about the density

7816
07:15:08,177 --> 07:15:09,677
on the north side of the development

7817
07:15:09,677 --> 07:15:11,927
and the impact of residential parking.

7818
07:15:11,927 --> 07:15:15,317
I realize that the county uses a formula That formula doesn't

7819
07:15:15,317 --> 07:15:19,517
seem to consider factor like multi-generational families,

7820
07:15:19,577 --> 07:15:23,837
kids, media, car to drive to school and work, etc.

7821
07:15:23,837 --> 07:15:27,377
I lived in a townhome community and guess parking was limited.

7822
07:15:27,377 --> 07:15:29,177
It created tension among neighbors

7823
07:15:29,177 --> 07:15:31,970
and it made it difficult and stressful

7824
07:15:31,970 --> 07:15:34,397
to have guests over Those that had more than two cars would

7825
07:15:34,397 --> 07:15:37,697
permanently park their extra vehicles in the guest spots I

7826
07:15:37,697 --> 07:15:40,697
purchased my first home that was an hour away from work,

7827
07:15:40,697 --> 07:15:43,127
so a minimum of two hours commute each way.

7828
07:15:43,127 --> 07:15:45,869
Day because that's what I could afford.

7829
07:15:45,869 --> 07:15:49,277
And it allowed me to have a little extra space.

7830
07:15:49,277 --> 07:15:51,647
I ended up selling my townhome because the parking

7831
07:15:51,647 --> 07:15:55,247
situation became untenable The surrounding neighborhoods.

7832
07:15:55,607 --> 07:15:58,727
Kori Farm Liberty Hall shouldn't bear the burden of overflow

7833
07:15:58,727 --> 07:16:02,777
parking from another development and with the future construction

7834
07:16:02,777 --> 07:16:05,867
of Eastern Avenue, cars would not be able to park along there.

7835
07:16:05,867 --> 07:16:08,867
There needs to be ample parking available within the development

7836
07:16:08,867 --> 07:16:12,227
even if that means a reduction in units for residents who

7837
07:16:12,227 --> 07:16:15,767
are physically able potentially can walk and bike

7838
07:16:15,767 --> 07:16:18,280
to the restaurants and grocery store for a few things,

7839
07:16:18,280 --> 07:16:19,697
they will need their vehicle to go

7840
07:16:19,697 --> 07:16:22,667
to Charlottesville or Waynesboro for work and shopping.

7841
07:16:22,667 --> 07:16:24,827
Second, the community shouldn't be ultimately

7842
07:16:24,827 --> 07:16:28,757
responsible for road maintenance, snow removal etc.,

7843
07:16:28,757 --> 07:16:31,607
especially for residents who need more affordable housing

7844
07:16:31,607 --> 07:16:35,207
That extra burden through higher HOA fees or special assessments

7845
07:16:35,207 --> 07:16:37,997
can really create financial strain Third,

7846
07:16:37,997 --> 07:16:40,397
I'm concerned about the stormwater runoff and capacity

7847
07:16:40,397 --> 07:16:43,667
because the proposed walking path is in a lower lying area.

7848
07:16:43,667 --> 07:16:45,467
Water will flood that path.

7849
07:16:45,467 --> 07:16:48,107
While some will argue that during the site plan phase,

7850
07:16:48,107 --> 07:16:49,727
stormwater will be addressed.

7851
07:16:49,727 --> 07:16:52,667
But given the stormwater failures in Liberty Hall,

7852
07:16:52,667 --> 07:16:55,645
that will cost the HOA quite a bit of money to remedy.

7853
07:16:55,645 --> 07:16:57,642
And stormwater issues in other neighborhoods

7854
07:16:57,642 --> 07:16:59,657
like mine developers and the county

7855
07:16:59,657 --> 07:17:01,877
have shown that they can't or won't address this

7856
07:17:01,877 --> 07:17:05,777
during or after construction To add, as a parent,

7857
07:17:05,777 --> 07:17:09,317
having the amenity area right next to a stormwater pond

7858
07:17:09,317 --> 07:17:12,347
concerns me The proposed development went

7859
07:17:12,347 --> 07:17:13,877
before the Planning Commission twice

7860
07:17:13,877 --> 07:17:16,758
and it was not recommended with the latest being so

7861
07:17:16,758 --> 07:17:18,137
being 5 to 1.

7862
07:17:18,137 --> 07:17:21,343
The applicant chose to move to the Board of Supervisors

7863
07:17:21,343 --> 07:17:23,896
Given all these points, I hope the board denies

7864
07:17:23,896 --> 07:17:25,630
this postponing application.

7865
07:17:25,630 --> 07:17:25,860
Thank you.

7866
07:17:25,860 --> 07:17:26,545
Thank you.

7867
07:17:26,545 --> 07:17:27,450
You.

7868
07:17:27,450 --> 07:17:27,627
Thank you.

7869
07:17:27,627 --> 07:17:33,627
And last on our list is Andrew Bauer Yes, hello.

7870
07:17:37,179 --> 07:17:38,550
Can you hear me?

7871
07:17:38,550 --> 07:17:39,990
Yes.

7872
07:17:39,990 --> 07:17:39,922
Good evening.

7873
07:17:39,922 --> 07:17:40,470
Yes.

7874
07:17:40,470 --> 07:17:43,457
Andrew Bowers, live in the Whitehall district.

7875
07:17:43,457 --> 07:17:48,857
I have followed this situation since it was first

7876
07:17:48,857 --> 07:17:50,507
brought to the CCRC.

7877
07:17:50,507 --> 07:17:53,597
I am a member of the CAC in Causeway

7878
07:17:53,597 --> 07:18:00,797
and every time this developer has come back with a new plan,

7879
07:18:03,407 --> 07:18:07,277
the way that I've thought about this is they're trying to finish

7880
07:18:07,277 --> 07:18:11,147
a jigsaw puzzle We're trying to infill

7881
07:18:11,147 --> 07:18:15,501
and they have a piece that they think fits in this spot

7882
07:18:15,501 --> 07:18:19,236
and they keep turning it around and turning it different ways.

7883
07:18:19,236 --> 07:18:21,726
And trying to cram it into the space

7884
07:18:21,726 --> 07:18:24,497
and it's not actually the right piece

7885
07:18:24,497 --> 07:18:28,970
for this space at this point.

7886
07:18:28,517 --> 07:18:32,717
When you start tweaking the set backs,

7887
07:18:33,257 --> 07:18:35,237
now you're taking scissors to the puzzle piece

7888
07:18:35,237 --> 07:18:38,193
to try to make it fit and ultimately, that's

7889
07:18:38,193 --> 07:18:40,130
not going to work.

7890
07:18:40,130 --> 07:18:43,661
All of the things that these other folks have said

7891
07:18:43,661 --> 07:18:45,491
are right on point.

7892
07:18:45,491 --> 07:18:50,897
My main concerns are the cost for the residents long term,

7893
07:18:50,897 --> 07:18:56,297
the safety of these private roads and walking paths.

7894
07:18:57,170 --> 07:18:59,147
These loop, the water, maintenance,

7895
07:18:59,147 --> 07:19:02,537
everything that's been mentioned is a problem.

7896
07:19:02,537 --> 07:19:06,437
There's nothing about this project that's not a problem.

7897
07:19:06,437 --> 07:19:11,837
And I highly recommend and hope that this group

7898
07:19:13,787 --> 07:19:18,557
will follow in the steps of the Planning Commission.

7899
07:19:18,557 --> 07:19:20,177
Thank you very much.

7900
07:19:20,177 --> 07:19:22,947
Thank you Concludes our list.

7901
07:19:22,947 --> 07:19:23,447
Thank you.

7902
07:19:23,447 --> 07:19:25,377
Did we have any more signups than.

7903
07:19:25,377 --> 07:19:25,877
All right.

7904
07:19:25,877 --> 07:19:27,977
Very good Thank you.

7905
07:19:27,977 --> 07:19:28,907
To those speakers.

7906
07:19:28,907 --> 07:19:31,523
And now we can move to the applicant

7907
07:19:31,523 --> 07:19:33,497
has a chance for rebuttal Five minutes

7908
07:19:33,497 --> 07:19:37,970
if you choose to have it.

7909
07:19:37,377 --> 07:19:37,877
Yes.

7910
07:19:37,877 --> 07:19:40,879
Thank you There's a number of things to go over.

7911
07:19:40,879 --> 07:19:44,417
But I start off with the last comment about the pieces

7912
07:19:44,417 --> 07:19:45,827
of the jigsaw puzzle.

7913
07:19:45,827 --> 07:19:48,526
We have trimmed our setbacks, but the opposite direction.

7914
07:19:48,526 --> 07:19:51,654
It was Liberty Hall who got a reduction of five feet

7915
07:19:51,654 --> 07:19:52,791
for their side.

7916
07:19:52,791 --> 07:19:56,897
We've said, we can tackle our six the county standard

7917
07:19:56,897 --> 07:19:59,417
ordinance on this property designated

7918
07:19:59,417 --> 07:20:02,177
for up to six units an acre with the standards that

7919
07:20:02,177 --> 07:20:07,470
are applicable to folks Asked about could it be are

7920
07:20:07,470 --> 07:20:09,584
for sure could be after this.

7921
07:20:09,584 --> 07:20:13,784
This year map would be the same.

7922
07:20:14,177 --> 07:20:17,770
They'd be larger houses and fewer of them.

7923
07:20:17,770 --> 07:20:20,237
And the cost of the amenities would

7924
07:20:20,237 --> 07:20:23,237
be shared over fewer people.

7925
07:20:24,287 --> 07:20:27,497
But the setback meets the county requirements

7926
07:20:27,497 --> 07:20:31,607
for road access, parking, all those things

7927
07:20:31,607 --> 07:20:34,787
are shown on our concept to meet the codes.

7928
07:20:34,787 --> 07:20:37,127
So we've demonstrated that it can be done.

7929
07:20:37,127 --> 07:20:39,805
That same going to do this after that we're not proffered

7930
07:20:39,805 --> 07:20:42,128
that plan, but the thing.

7931
07:20:42,128 --> 07:20:47,570
I think the Planning Commission got hung up on a little bit

7932
07:20:47,570 --> 07:20:49,697
was just a thought about, you know, these townhomes

7933
07:20:49,697 --> 07:20:52,697
and how close they are.

7934
07:20:53,570 --> 07:20:56,725
We've addressed that concern The county staff,

7935
07:20:56,725 --> 07:20:57,767
they were at the meeting.

7936
07:20:57,767 --> 07:21:00,464
If you look at their staff report they said,

7937
07:21:00,464 --> 07:21:02,708
we addressed the Planning commission's concerns

7938
07:21:02,708 --> 07:21:07,817
by dealing with the actual issue, which is the space.

7939
07:21:07,817 --> 07:21:10,247
I don't believe that's fair to say.

7940
07:21:10,247 --> 07:21:13,670
Oh, well a townhome that cost less

7941
07:21:13,670 --> 07:21:16,700
is somehow more impactful than a house that costs more

7942
07:21:16,700 --> 07:21:18,317
by fewer houses doesn't change the space

7943
07:21:18,317 --> 07:21:20,567
spatial relationship of this.

7944
07:21:20,567 --> 07:21:23,567
So the density question, I think,

7945
07:21:23,567 --> 07:21:26,357
does not get at the question that the answer, unless you want

7946
07:21:26,357 --> 07:21:30,647
to say, look, the it's all single family over here

7947
07:21:30,647 --> 07:21:33,852
and we should carry that predominantly across

7948
07:21:33,852 --> 07:21:36,190
But if you look at with the staff, it's recommended.

7949
07:21:36,190 --> 07:21:37,894
All along and which a comprehensive plan says

7950
07:21:37,894 --> 07:21:40,793
you look how close this is to a center for the reason we push

7951
07:21:40,793 --> 07:21:43,637
to the high side of that is because all those amenities

7952
07:21:43,637 --> 07:21:47,949
are there for those individuals to use that investment made.

7953
07:21:47,949 --> 07:21:49,157
Those folks have to use that.

7954
07:21:49,157 --> 07:21:52,727
So I think that these concepts of the plan being

7955
07:21:52,727 --> 07:21:55,877
for things people don't like development there.

7956
07:21:55,877 --> 07:22:02,477
But let's go back 1957, right It was farmland and a couple

7957
07:22:03,116 --> 07:22:05,116
of houses in 80.

7958
07:22:05,717 --> 07:22:07,666
The houses this is the house that remains.

7959
07:22:07,666 --> 07:22:10,845
And they put folks at is this house count yesterday as this

7960
07:22:10,845 --> 07:22:14,460
is one of the this house that was here in development

7961
07:22:14,460 --> 07:22:16,104
has occurred all around.

7962
07:22:16,104 --> 07:22:17,898
I guess we have to go.

7963
07:22:17,898 --> 07:22:22,670
We can go back up to the very beginning here right.

7964
07:22:22,670 --> 07:22:24,377
That's a good picture.

7965
07:22:24,377 --> 07:22:25,728
Developments occur all around.

7966
07:22:25,728 --> 07:22:28,248
This for the ordinance is for the comprehensive plan,

7967
07:22:28,248 --> 07:22:31,487
the land use plans had this in the 3 to 6 units an acre

7968
07:22:31,487 --> 07:22:33,527
neighborhood density for 20 years.

7969
07:22:33,527 --> 07:22:38,867
I think And what we're doing here is filling in a piece.

7970
07:22:38,867 --> 07:22:41,598
And I get everyone wants to know before we come to this body

7971
07:22:41,598 --> 07:22:44,231
like, hey, what's exact units going to be here?

7972
07:22:44,231 --> 07:22:45,439
How much is it going to cost?

7973
07:22:45,439 --> 07:22:46,577
What do I have?

7974
07:22:46,577 --> 07:22:47,567
26ft here?

7975
07:22:47,567 --> 07:22:48,137
30ft?

7976
07:22:48,137 --> 07:22:49,267
What's the grading?

7977
07:22:49,267 --> 07:22:51,767
But those aren't really things that we would customarily do.

7978
07:22:51,767 --> 07:22:56,935
And you really can't commit to at this point are

7979
07:22:56,935 --> 07:22:58,757
what are the way to develop the site?

7980
07:22:58,757 --> 07:23:02,207
All infill sites is going to be to find the zoning

7981
07:23:02,207 --> 07:23:06,377
ordinance that you have that matches what the land use is.

7982
07:23:06,377 --> 07:23:09,767
And so this is what should be in the restrictions in play on it,

7983
07:23:09,767 --> 07:23:11,837
take care of the protections in cases

7984
07:23:11,837 --> 07:23:16,670
like this situation where you had a 15 foot previously

7985
07:23:16,670 --> 07:23:17,777
approved setback here.

7986
07:23:17,777 --> 07:23:20,627
We've increased it to help mitigate that situation

7987
07:23:20,627 --> 07:23:22,970
for those neighbors.

7988
07:23:22,970 --> 07:23:25,697
But those are the things that we can do here.

7989
07:23:25,697 --> 07:23:29,747
I think there is a concern about cost of amenities for folks,

7990
07:23:29,747 --> 07:23:32,207
but that's going to be a cost anywhere in Albemarle County

7991
07:23:32,207 --> 07:23:35,627
because anything that's built new stormwater management

7992
07:23:35,627 --> 07:23:38,537
amenities, all those things you have to pay to maintain.

7993
07:23:38,537 --> 07:23:40,577
And I think that to say oh, we should just not

7994
07:23:40,577 --> 07:23:42,947
build something because folks can't afford that.

7995
07:23:42,947 --> 07:23:46,855
So they then have to live an hour away from work because they

7996
07:23:46,855 --> 07:23:47,897
can't afford the housing.

7997
07:23:47,897 --> 07:23:49,427
That's the wrong solution.

7998
07:23:49,427 --> 07:23:56,270
So I I hope that summarizes the response to these things

7999
07:23:57,167 --> 07:24:00,287
There are laws that deal with environmental regulations.

8000
07:24:00,287 --> 07:24:04,307
There's zoning setbacks long standing development regulations

8001
07:24:04,307 --> 07:24:05,807
that the county has had.

8002
07:24:05,807 --> 07:24:08,405
And we're simply saying, based on all that that's

8003
07:24:08,405 --> 07:24:09,947
how this should be built. And because

8004
07:24:09,947 --> 07:24:11,957
of certain special circumstances,

8005
07:24:11,957 --> 07:24:16,517
we've outlined this particular buffer setback And one more

8006
07:24:16,517 --> 07:24:18,707
time, I'll say, you know, planning

8007
07:24:18,707 --> 07:24:21,985
Commission didn't say oh, make this six this

8008
07:24:21,985 --> 07:24:23,270
and spread them out more.

8009
07:24:23,270 --> 07:24:24,277
That was response to the plan.

8010
07:24:24,277 --> 07:24:26,201
We had 14 units up here.

8011
07:24:26,201 --> 07:24:27,300
It's actually more.

8012
07:24:27,300 --> 07:24:28,674
So we've done that.

8013
07:24:28,674 --> 07:24:33,277
We spread the units out We have only two more than the maximum 9

8014
07:24:33,277 --> 07:24:36,769
to 11 split inside and the staff has looked at our response

8015
07:24:36,769 --> 07:24:39,170
and said Yeah, that met the concerns over there.

8016
07:24:39,170 --> 07:24:41,777
So anything we can do Thank you, Jeff.

8017
07:24:41,777 --> 07:24:43,217
Thank you.

8018
07:24:43,217 --> 07:24:45,420
I'm going to leave things open since we've

8019
07:24:45,420 --> 07:24:46,667
heard from the public and the applicant

8020
07:24:46,667 --> 07:24:48,747
will do around and see if you all

8021
07:24:48,747 --> 07:24:51,867
have questions for anybody at this point, staff, applicant,

8022
07:24:51,867 --> 07:24:52,517
etc.

8023
07:24:52,517 --> 07:24:53,217
So that fair?

8024
07:24:53,217 --> 07:24:53,717
Yes.

8025
07:24:53,717 --> 07:24:56,117
Supervisor Malik questions OK.

8026
07:24:59,157 --> 07:25:02,480
Can you come back to me?

8027
07:25:02,480 --> 07:25:02,874
Yep.

8028
07:25:02,874 --> 07:25:05,655
Supervisor doesn't that we got a pass.

8029
07:25:05,655 --> 07:25:10,318
So we'll come back There's some questions for the applicant

8030
07:25:10,318 --> 07:25:10,818
Yeah.

8031
07:25:10,818 --> 07:25:12,497
With those two questions will close.

8032
07:25:12,497 --> 07:25:14,770
I have some questions that I wanted to hear from folks

8033
07:25:14,770 --> 07:25:16,620
before I ask.

8034
07:25:16,620 --> 07:25:18,000
So yeah, I don't.

8035
07:25:18,000 --> 07:25:22,187
I don't want to be like nosy, but.

8036
07:25:22,187 --> 07:25:24,137
And so feel free to not answer.

8037
07:25:24,137 --> 07:25:26,957
But I was wondering if you could sort of talk

8038
07:25:26,957 --> 07:25:32,957
about the costs that go into developments You mentioned, you

8039
07:25:33,647 --> 07:25:35,147
know, increasing your buffers.

8040
07:25:35,147 --> 07:25:37,180
You're losing land.

8041
07:25:37,180 --> 07:25:43,618
There's a lot that goes into a development and the time

8042
07:25:43,907 --> 07:25:46,487
that you spent coming back and forth, coming back and forth

8043
07:25:46,487 --> 07:25:48,607
all adds into the costs and the fact

8044
07:25:48,607 --> 07:25:50,357
that you are doing the affordable housing.

8045
07:25:50,357 --> 07:25:53,650
For 40 years, I've heard from a lot of other people

8046
07:25:53,650 --> 07:25:56,217
that really increases the costs because we need

8047
07:25:56,217 --> 07:26:00,437
to relook at our policy Can you just kind

8048
07:26:00,437 --> 07:26:04,757
of if you want to talk about sort of, I guess,