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We have a full document tonight. So please try to be concise and to the point if you are speaking. And if you wish to speak on any of the cases, please make sure to pull out speakers and give it to the staff. So first order of the business. We have the consideration of the meeting minutes from July.

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I'd like to see, does any of the members of the board

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wish to suggest operations to the meetings?

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To the meetings?

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No, do any members of the public

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have any comments on the meeting?

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No, can I get a motion on a minute?

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So moved.

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Any opposed?

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I like it.

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Any opposed?

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All right, can we be adopted all in favor?

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Hi.

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All opposed.

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All right.

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Without the minute next item on the calendar is the consent calendar?

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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The point is better than one point on a couple of things to remember.

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First of all, welcome after our August recess.

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Nice to be able again, but we'll have nice and August.

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We'll see a couple of new things tonight, we're trying to stop out and fail miserably,

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because now we have to look at the data, but I'll try to, I'll always look in the, in the

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movie, try to improve things. So we'll see a couple things. First, the data, of course,

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have a new template. We're trying out the different template, try to, push some of the more important

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information early in the document, making it easier to find kind of a little more graphic, you know,

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that sort of thing. So we'll do that for a couple of, a couple of hearings, give us feedback,

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In fact, things in the line, things in development,

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questions.

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We did as we go for this one thing.

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The second thing is we're going to try out,

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try out something new out,

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where Snap will do a brief,

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very, very, really.

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Like I've been promised a brief,

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uh,

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skip it out to each case.

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So we'll just basically say,

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okay,

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you're, you're up salient points in this case.

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Here are things that are,

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to look at and Snap is recommending this.

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And the recommendation and,

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and conditions will be found here.

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That's about it.

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We're just trying to focus the conversation so the dollar one was really the important point for this project.

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So, that being said, that's our new stuff.

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Now we move on to our documents.

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This idea is that we have the number of items on the consent calendar.

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It would be the minimum.

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First item at number three, the R2026-00244.

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all district districts request for operation that needs zero six sound fairfax

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speed. Now in the solar energy world represent our way to the end of the day.

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Item number four, the R is going to be six dashed of the area zero two five four

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for request for all reasons and to work five to eight to reach South Pitch Street.

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Applicant is very well-appropriated, representative by Gretchen Dreadel.

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Item number five is the R 20 for six dashed of the area zero two means six

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at 724 south of the street, applicant is Richard and Sean

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Kathbarts.

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At number 6 is DBR 2026, that 0.298.

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Holders for district, request for operations and signs in 8207

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illustrations.

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Applicant is Portland, Alexandria, but they're like MZ permits.

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And finally out of the 7 is the R2026, that 0.304.

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Holders for district request for operations with 719

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I'm going to put street, yeah, we're going to win.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Do any members of the board wish to remove any of these items from the gallery?

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Yes.

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I'd like to remove item number six for 8020 South Carolina Street.

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And I would like to remove number five.

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So that's 20 more sounds.

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Do any members of the public wish to remove any items from the convention?

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So let's look for the remainder of the organs on the back of the head.

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Any other motion at the second and then just a voice.

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I want to make some motion for applying the remainder of the organs on the concept calendar.

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Excuse us.

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We can't really hear it. It's very muffle time here.

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All right, we'll speak up.

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Is there a microphone?

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I'm going to have a mic because we will do a little bit better.

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Very poor.

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I'm sorry. I think I...

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We'll try to speak a little louder.

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I hope that's your direction.

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Yes.

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We will work our best to speak louder so everyone can hear us.

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And also on the second two,

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okay. Right, aye. Aye. So moving on to number five, it's been removal from the consent calendar, AR-

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26th at its users are 286, all district districts of operation is 724. These crews, the sound easily bad. What just happened? So literally, what just happened? Okay, we've

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I'm sorry, this is as best we can do. We do not have so which items are still left. I'm in three, four and seven. I've been approved. So if you've been on item three, four and seven, you believe you items have been approved.

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5 and 6 are being considered every day.

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Okay, again, number five is next in line, number five.

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74 south of the street.

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The applicant needs the courts.

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Yes, before you start for minutes.

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I'm going to make sure this.

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All right.

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So the applicants are Richard and Sean Katkart.

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You guys can't remain standing on time.

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The proposed scope of work is to replace three iron columns on the 18-foot wide front porch

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with three six-by-eight painted cedar wood columns. On page two of the report,

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you'll see the site context is that this is third in line on a row of seven homes. I'll set that

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from the street to allow a curb cushion larger front yard. Page three of the report shows the

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look of the wooden columns. And page three also draws attention to the design standards

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for porches that include that porches should be a program that store full style of the structures

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and porches should be made of materials which are sympathetic to the building materials

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generally found in the store district. Page four of the report has the engagement staff

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right. Page two. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, Paisis. Thank you, your name and address for

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Yes, all right. I'm Sean Calf-Card and our address is 724 south-way street. Thank you. So I

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I pulled this out just I have a comment on the size of the column because it seems very large for

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the for the basically room that is for the porch and the room that is holding. So my recommendation is to

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So kind of look at the side of it to regain a seat.

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Similar to what your neighbors have, that you actually have pointed out.

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Well, if you're looking at a rendering,

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it is out of proportion.

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We are doing a inch with the columns.

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It's about the same size as what the.

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We could go around.

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We decided not to rock, but we decided to remove the iron post

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and put new working posts in, and then we're doing detailed holidays on the top and the bottom.

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Yeah, I appreciate it. It's making me improve my, why not just maybe, maybe I can make a comment,

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because I'm not there to see it in the rendering industry to be. So maybe I can just

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recommend to work with the staff to make sure that the size is similar to what the, you know,

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the neighbouring house as well. Yeah, it is, you know, and if you perspective, this is eight inches.

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It's like, so it's just public and it's 18,000 wide porch.

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So if I could show you any sort of visual idea of the proportions of it,

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because I agree through the random AI rendering is a little bit too beefy.

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So to clarify, I'm looking at the picture that shows your facade with 726 Southleaf and 728 Southwood.

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So the size and measure of the size of those columns and yours has been keeping with that size. Yes.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Make a motion to approve that they work with staff to confirm that the column size is pertinent size for the height of the porch.

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second. All those in favor say aye.

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Which they have members of the work.

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Thank you. Thank you so much.

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Thank you.

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All right. Moving to the next item.

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and number six? Yes, yes, and number six. This is B-A-R-2026.

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this.

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So, here we go.

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Two, nine, eight,

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let's go.

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District, request for operations, signage, at 820, self-promised, creative, applicant, agenda, resident, resident, resident, resident, resident, resident, resident, resident, resident, resident, resident, resident.

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All right, so the post-copal work is to install an individual letter,

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hand-mounted, halo-obuminum sign above the building entrance, which is the West

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elevation. On page two of the report, you will see the site context for this

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project is a residential building that encompasses the entire block of 800 South

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Columbus. And on page three of the report shows the placement and visual

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parents of the proposed signage.

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Page 3 also draws attention to the design standards for signage that includes that styles

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and materials are sympathetic to the age and architectural style of the building.

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They do not attract from the architectural character of the source structures and the included

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lettering is appropriately scaled to the size of the sign.

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Page 3 of the report has the staff recommendation.

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Thank you.

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Can you please state your name and address for the record?

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My name is John Martell, I'm one, two, six, one, eight,

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matched things way in Bristol, Virginia.

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And I am representing Corbyn and M. G. Burnett,

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so I'm the contractor.

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Thank you.

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Would you like to make your presentation

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or just answer it to question?

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Answer to question.

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I thought I was only consent calendar.

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So do you have any speakers or do you have three speakers?

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First is taught how to

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do it in my short list.

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Absolutely.

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And I just thought of the 15 self-pollumnest rate.

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It's right across the street from the local.

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So staff clearly noted in their recommended approval,

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the application that was consistent with recent,

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a little limited signs through by the board.

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However, they get in slight specific examples.

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And it was possible to determine the approvals represented.

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similar signs and similar residential neighborhoods.

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In the absence of that clarity by staff, I took the time to review the B.A.R.'s published

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meeting in January with the B.A.S. Act 12 months in order to answer the questions.

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So, when reviewing that with these 20 B.A.R hearings, I was able to clearly view that there

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were four proposals that came before the B.A.R., seeking approval for internally and no

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main signs.

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There were several dead links in the published genders, and there were a couple that I was

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not able to determine if they were a lit sign or not.

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However, what was clear in reviewing that is that all four requests related to properties

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on or around King Street within the King Street urban retail zone and none of the proposal requests

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came from properties in a residential only area.

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So to be specific, the four proposals came from the 400 King Street, which is where the

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self-verb X, one from 100 more pit on the poor of king and pit.

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Interestingly, the approval recommendations

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talked about staff with regard to that application

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from the backlit sign of 100 more pit.

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Staff found that the proposed backlit sign was appropriate

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as it was located on a non-street facing elevation

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and was not adjacent to any residential problems.

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But by publishing this, staff's own recommendation and that 100 North Pitt Street proposal set for both a clear and objective writ of criteria that should strongly be considered by the BAR and all future requests for internally eliminate signs, since by its own words, staff is using consistency with previous approvals as the standard of you all future applications.

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In this specific case, they're recommended approval of the 820 self-pulomous stands

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equivalent prevention of any previously stated criteria, as 820 self-pulomous to street

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proposed sign would be located on both a street-facing elevation and will be adjacent to residential

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projects.

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As a result, we believe the Board should consider viewing this application as inconsistent

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to with previous more briefings.

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I know I may have to admit it,

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so I'd really thank you for your time

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and have answered questions you may have in the comments.

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Thank you.

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Our next speaker is Janice Kruppiak.

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We'll be, sorry, thank you.

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Thank you.

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Good evening, Chair, my chair, members of the board

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and staff, I'm sure there's some busy people.

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Thanks for the opportunity to speak this evening.

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My name is Janice Kruppiak,

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and I too met a gate between South Columbia Street,

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directly across from the end of the way

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of age 20 South Columbia Street.

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I hope that all of you were able to.

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Review the materials I sent to staff last week, receiving a petition, objecting to the signage as proposed. I sent an updated version this morning with a quick turnaround. I was able to get 37 signatures of which only two are residents versus property owners, and you include all of the owners of properties in the required notification zone. I respectfully request that the bar deny the signage request as proposed, a hallowed illuminated sign is not typical in the old and historic district, computing along King Street, one of our busiest commercial corridors in the city.

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The city's own sign ordinance discourages this type of signage and imposes limits on nighttime

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illumination in residential zones. The entryway is in fact in a residential zone and across

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the street from eight homes, all of which have a bedroom located in the front of the house,

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facing South Columbus Street. Four have kitchens and dining areas that face South Columbus Street,

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and up to four two homes have direct view of the entryway from this portion of their homes.

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When the trees are bare, which is not in this picture, you will have full view and will now be

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blocked by flowers of poor leaves.

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The entryway of the building has included my materials

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is currently fully accumulated during fall overnight hours.

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The existing signage when the building was known

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as the playboard was blocked that way

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and it's certainly appropriate

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to have a character in the streetscape.

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I submitted additional documentation

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that includes photos of South,

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the South Washington side of the block,

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photos of blue days, hardware,

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friend use, staff side, the Navy's to swerve,

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none of which have illuminated signs.

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They have lights that face down over this signage,

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but they do not project outward.

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Even the sign that we're Jones, which is on the self-belumbest side, is not illuminated.

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Again, thanks for the opportunity to speak to you this evening.

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Newer's residents in the neighborhood are opposed to proposed signage as submitted to you.

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It appears that the concern here is not with reasonable identification of the property,

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but with the unnecessary introduction of additional nighttime lighting into the

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historical residential streetscape.

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The proposed halo illuminated corporate signage would increase light pollution and

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to track from the atmosphere,

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but they 100 block of the South Pole and Michigan,

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which is located in the boundaries

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of the boldness of our district.

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There are many sign options available.

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For granted, she's not outweighed

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the preservation standards and residential character

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that you all have been entrusted to on our behalf.

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Thank you.

259
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And I'm also gonna share in the sign

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that my neighbor met May and she's gay

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and she had the better of that faces

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the front of the building.

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Thank you.

264
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Thank you.

265
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Nice to meet you.

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Nice speaker and Nancy Ellen McCarthy.

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And I'll be really quick, but thank you for the seed making opportunities because I actually

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moved to 803 degrees in spring.

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So I'm on the board of green stuff on this, so I can see the product in the proper use.

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The ability to sell the stuff logically.

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I think the addition of this cable that will give me the sign, really changes the collection

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not only of a residential neighborhood, but old town advocacy as a whole.

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And I would like to pose as like a hypothetical, they say as lawyers, they say not to use

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hypotheticals.

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But just to imagine across the street from my house, the building is allowed to put a

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bad, good, halo that's fine on the side.

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What is to stop the home owners and the town owners to put a halo in the numbers on their

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homes?

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I'm just using that as a hypothetical, a hypothetical to show how it can change as a reflection

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of a recipient to be working. I encourage you to vote against this

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missing request. Thank you. Thank you. Any other questions? All right, we'll

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combine the questions and the deliberation for the members to any one

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coach. Does anyone remember who'd like to go first? I really appreciate the

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organized community for some knowledge and the solidarity that you have in

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your opposition. Thank you for coming out tonight and for all of your

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petitions and your letter. I will say a completely agreed. This is a

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residential street unlike King Street and I think it's a bad

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precedent for signage on more residential streets. So I support

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your sentiments. And I guess I would just ask

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Portland, is there an alternative signage proposition that you would consider?

291
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That's not a halo lit.

292
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Reef is three dimensional letters, not eliminated.

293
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I mean, I don't understand the residents concerned.

294
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But we're talking about a halo lit letter,

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which this face is solid.

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It's just a light that shines around the letter.

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It doesn't shine out.

298
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It will not shine on anybody's property.

299
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We are not in any bonus room.

300
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Let her find it.

301
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Okay, so.

302
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But that seems to be a big concern of all these people to come up and

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scope it somehow this is going to affect. They won't even get the

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front of the building is set. I don't know 40, 50 feet from the road so it's not

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if it's not just 10-15 feet.

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So, I mean, that's fine. If Courtland would prefer to have a lighted sign, we will accept a non-aluminated

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three-dimensional letter sign, but somebody mentioned Gu's neck lighting, with any type of

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lighting to be acceptable to people here and to the board, whereas the sign just have to be

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not eliminated three dimensional letters.

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I would think for if you need to add lighting,

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like a stance, or if I saw that,

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you actually have some ground lighting already there,

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so you might not have enough lighting,

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but that would be fine.

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Not just eliminated sign.

316
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Okay, so not an internally eliminated sign.

317
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External illumination would be okay,

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or are we gonna have a problem with that too?

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I think you should.

320
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I mean, that's much better.

321
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It's really better.

322
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Because I can see the public.

323
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I think this next round.

324
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Because that lighting could be

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excluded administratively.

326
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So that's up in the board should be very.

327
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Yes.

328
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As long as it.

329
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It aligns with the other lighting.

330
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At the end of this.

331
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Yeah.

332
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Actually.

333
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Okay.

334
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But also want to make sure that.

335
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Would you all be opposed to.

336
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I didn't hear what she said.

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and other businesses in the neighborhood

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that employees rented above.

339
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So here's the thing I want.

340
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You would be okay to that if we did that.

341
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And we know to see the proposal.

342
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I'd like to see the proposal.

343
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I don't know how to write.

344
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We're going to make it.

345
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There are small reading blanks

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along the street from Portland.

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Very bright, street blanks that they did all.

348
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And they have a logging area that looks like a hospital.

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It's so bright.

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It's like 24 hours a day.

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So really bothering, I think if there's

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going to be something added to the bill. I personally like to see

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specifically what it is. That's fine. I just want to make sure not

354
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going back and forth with multiple. So what's the reason you want to ask?

355
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It seems there is enough lighting there. Is that something

356
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that's for better? What's that? I feel there would be better visibility.

357
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They feel that this entrance is set back from the road.

358
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I'll be honest with you. I've only been there in the daytime so I don't know

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the lighting in the evening, but they just feel that because of the trees and and so forth,

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which I never not bloom on your own, but that it would just be better visibility and the halo,

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like halo illuminated letters are a classic look on the building. So I hope now that you know the

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stats of the neighbors, the community to consider not coming to any lighting. If you really feel that

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and you need to ask to make me more of a good start to move.

364
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All right, I'm going to talk to you.

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The board will make a condition in compliance

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with the tradable to private.

367
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Thank you.

368
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Yes, I do want to speak up.

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I appreciate the neighbors, am I a lot of them?

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I appreciate the neighbors speaking

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and in such a unified fashion.

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And I, too, think that what is there now

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is appropriate enough in terms of lighting.

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It's actually very canceled signage that you have up there right now, so I'm an

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infringement with no lighting and could I just remain the same with it next

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possibly added?

377
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Absolutely, absolutely.

378
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Absolutely. Well, adding just next to the change to what's near now, so.

379
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Great.

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I think a resident wants to speak.

381
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We have, we have, we have, we are done with the parliamentary meeting. I'm sorry, I'm exposed.

382
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So, thank you. I would just encourage you. I mean, this is clearly a hot button issue.

383
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I would encourage all students, you guys want to think about that. I would just say that.

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What you're going to do with the proposed, let me speak to them. I see what they want to do.

385
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And then we'll come back and then we'll do it to you guys and hopefully be administrative.

386
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So, the board was worried that it would like to set up deferrals. I mean, we don't come back to the board.

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If the board would like to say a condition of approval is that it may get compliance with the administrative guidelines,

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so we can work with the applicant to do something.

389
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We have the board as a solution in front of the member.

390
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The front of the meeting, the act on, it can be either approved and I set up deferrals.

391
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And again, you can accept, with the conditions, the conditions could be that it complies with the administrative government and then move on.

392
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Mr. Conkey, did we deny it tonight?

393
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Yes.

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Could they come back with a non-lighted, financial quest for an administrative?

395
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No, that would be one minute.

396
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Okay.

397
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And another question is, can they speak with each other?

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And come back to us. Wasn't it in a few minutes, as we move along. Now, we have to come back for another

399
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another hearing. We can, we can, we can't, we can't, we can't be so business tonight. We have a long dog.

400
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Okay, with a deferral,

401
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:28,040
I don't want you to deny and we can't make a change for a year, but that's what I heard you correctly. If you defer, they don't come back.

402
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You can come back another year and it's probably in a moment.

403
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That's fine.

404
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I don't problem with that.

405
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Did I hear you correctly?

406
00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:35,320
Did you deny my application?

407
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I can't do anything for a year.

408
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Okay.

409
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So you please defer.

410
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I have the occasion.

411
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But yeah, I'm getting ahead with the president.

412
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The girl.

413
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Right.

414
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Yeah.

415
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Question.

416
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Can they just verb?

417
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I also deny the name of my name.

418
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So we don't have to do this there.

419
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Guys.

420
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Any more.

421
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:53,000
No.

422
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All right.

423
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We're going to make a motion to accept the deferral.

424
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All the data.

425
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,440
I haven't finished second.

426
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:07,620
Sorry.

427
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:08,360
All right.

428
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:08,580
Sorry.

429
00:26:10,340 --> 00:26:11,660
All right.

430
00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:13,160
All right.

431
00:26:13,820 --> 00:26:14,160
All right.

432
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Thank you.

433
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All the data.

434
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All right.

435
00:26:16,980 --> 00:26:17,380
Thank you.

436
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:18,680
Well, that's it.

437
00:26:18,920 --> 00:26:19,260
Thank you.

438
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:20,240
Sorry.

439
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,280
Thank you.

440
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:22,800
Congratulations.

441
00:26:23,100 --> 00:26:24,260
Congratulations, next item.

442
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Okay.

443
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Okay.

444
00:26:25,800 --> 00:26:27,480
And then it's the night is under a much of a finishes,

445
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:29,560
and the physical lifting is in first.

446
00:26:30,220 --> 00:26:33,280
This is at a level three, and the AR20,

447
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One, but it fits that, 0, 0, 2, 2, 3,

448
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oldest record is for cut walked operations in the position.

449
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:40,780
I'm for, 1, 1-4-3-2.

450
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First I'm going to invest in, 1-2-2,

451
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which features to have it,

452
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that we've found as a receiver,

453
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as it is by John Lyon and Jamie as it is.

454
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All right.

455
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And the proposed double board is to pull this.

456
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to demolish approximately 480 square feet of the Masonry Wall area with a 24-somewhere

457
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feet maze.

458
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I removed the existing railing and the carts from the south end of the existing porch,

459
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as well as the constructed two-story addition of the southeast corner of the property and

460
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lead place to the existing single door on the side porch and in-kind, and adds side

461
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lights and a transit.

462
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On page two of the report, and I should probably get to the actual report by apologies, on page

463
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two of the reports.

464
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You'll see the site context is free standing brink home with private alley to the south to propose

465
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addition and alterations will be visible from the right way.

466
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Page three of the reports shows the proposed new addition photos on pages eight through

467
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I'm sorry, 18 through 26 show the existing conditions and page three also draws attention to the design standards that include that it should be compatible with the store building and surroundings clearly distinguishable from the existing structure and utilize building materials to balance around the historic history.

468
00:28:00,760 --> 00:28:03,720
page 4 of your report has the HP staff

469
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recommendation.

470
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Thank you.

471
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Can you please state your name and address

472
00:28:10,100 --> 00:28:10,640
for the request?

473
00:28:11,360 --> 00:28:12,340
Yes, it's John.

474
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:12,960
Why I'm.

475
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Although 20 Sunrise Valley sweet 100

476
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arrested for tune yet architect

477
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representing the others.

478
00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:22,560
Thank you.

479
00:28:22,860 --> 00:28:24,620
Would you like to make a presentation or

480
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answer to questions?

481
00:28:25,580 --> 00:28:27,120
I don't feel that I need to

482
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to present the body of the work further than what staff has recommended for approval.

483
00:28:33,580 --> 00:28:34,500
We appreciate that.

484
00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:42,400
We would like to try to address the issue of the door on the porch, the leads to the

485
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,720
porch and the expansion of that opening.

486
00:28:46,740 --> 00:28:56,560
That's something that is important to the opening of the view from the interior space to the

487
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court guard and the guard and the pool and it is also something that tucked into the

488
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:13,340
porch is not so visible. We feel from the right away. So we like to try and convince the

489
00:29:13,340 --> 00:29:19,060
board to accept that as a part of the design. Appetite answering questions regarding that issue.

490
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,320
Thank you. Do any members of the board have questions for the applicant?

491
00:29:30,980 --> 00:29:37,540
We move on to opening it to public. Do any members of the public have questions or would you

492
00:29:37,540 --> 00:29:38,060
just be?

493
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:46,780
No? All right, go open it to delegation for the board members. I have a question. I'd

494
00:29:46,780 --> 00:29:53,200
like to see. Can we show the existing door versus the one that's proposed? So this is the existing door

495
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:58,280
there on the bottom right or left, and take the post.

496
00:30:03,740 --> 00:30:30,940
You may have gone the wrong way. Have I gone the wrong way? Sure. Okay. You are getting to sit now. Sorry. Yeah. So maybe one of the better ones is the page 17, although if you keep going, there'll be a 2D hard line. Yeah. The next page will be the. So here is the red door on the right is the door in question. And then. I should, I'm sorry. But I should clarify that the door does have an existing.

497
00:30:30,940 --> 00:30:37,660
So what's being proposed is an expansion horizontally, not in high.

498
00:30:38,020 --> 00:30:38,260
You

499
00:30:42,550 --> 00:30:46,890
can see the door actually, I think, 19 to 16.

500
00:30:48,370 --> 00:30:55,830
Yeah, you can see in the upper left-hand corner, the door, and partially in both of those images.

501
00:30:56,430 --> 00:31:01,390
And then the lower left-hand corner is the proposed, if it's possible to zoom in.

502
00:31:01,390 --> 00:31:07,570
And you can see that it's the existing door that size of the door is proposed to remain

503
00:31:07,570 --> 00:31:08,430
the same.

504
00:31:08,850 --> 00:31:12,190
What we're proposing to do is to add a slide right there again.

505
00:31:12,890 --> 00:31:13,170
Thanks.

506
00:31:13,470 --> 00:31:17,370
Add a slide right to the door and extend the transient across the wire.

507
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:24,860
That's to help open the view up from the interior to the quote.

508
00:31:25,140 --> 00:31:25,420
I

509
00:31:33,260 --> 00:31:37,800
agree with staff recommendation, but if you want to bring more like me and our documentary

510
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:44,860
to put a silo that transforms them out the same one, the same, like mountains as the rest of them.

511
00:31:45,460 --> 00:31:50,400
That's something that I think the owners should be adding millions to that

512
00:31:51,300 --> 00:31:56,960
blazing. If that would be subject to, if that would be an important condition for improvements,

513
00:31:56,960 --> 00:32:00,300
I'm sure. All the other other members to speak.

514
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:06,280
I've been to the site and revealed the plan.

515
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:18,140
I commend you on the plan. I think it's a really engaging addition that is largely particularly the store is I don't think it's visible from the public right away.

516
00:32:18,420 --> 00:32:20,460
So I don't have a problem with the store.

517
00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:26,040
I don't know.

518
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,780
I'm going to echo the same comments as my family.

519
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:31,900
I don't think the store is very visible. So I don't really have an issue with the store.

520
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:33,420
I agree

521
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:41,100
with my colleague and mine and in the way that you noticed that door elsewhere.

522
00:32:41,880 --> 00:32:44,380
Well, again, the idea is that the door would remain.

523
00:32:44,620 --> 00:32:46,260
We're not changing the size of the door.

524
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:53,960
It's simply adding a sidelight to the door, which would mean that the transom is enlarged to go above that wire.

525
00:32:54,340 --> 00:33:02,880
But we certainly could add millions to those openings to being keeping with proportions of existing conditions.

526
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:07,200
Thank you. So I'll make a motion if everyone agrees to

527
00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:12,580
to accept the such a set design with the condition of adding

528
00:33:13,220 --> 00:33:16,500
lines in my feed similar to the floor and the rest of that

529
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:17,760
the openings for that.

530
00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:20,200
Based on the basic outings.

531
00:33:22,580 --> 00:33:26,460
I'm not sure about that because there's a bunch of different

532
00:33:26,460 --> 00:33:29,060
voting patterns already on the ceiling. Which

533
00:33:29,060 --> 00:33:32,000
motions are you lining up to? With the door you know there's the one

534
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,840
that's right next to it. It's a one-ball assembly,

535
00:33:37,060 --> 00:33:41,200
sit-door, and a transform and a side-up. So that's with all my children.

536
00:33:42,740 --> 00:33:44,840
That's what I'm talking about.

537
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:47,340
Sure, that's a deal breaker. It's not a deal breaker for me.

538
00:33:48,700 --> 00:33:50,060
That's what you guys want to follow, that's why.

539
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:55,530
Thank you. All right.

540
00:33:55,530 --> 00:33:59,550
All the information about the services of the lower-level system.

541
00:33:59,590 --> 00:33:59,670
Hello.

542
00:34:01,190 --> 00:34:01,630
Hi.

543
00:34:01,630 --> 00:34:01,850
How does it work?

544
00:34:02,390 --> 00:34:02,790
Hi.

545
00:34:03,310 --> 00:34:03,650
It's special.

546
00:34:04,090 --> 00:34:04,410
Hi.

547
00:34:05,030 --> 00:34:05,430
Let's go.

548
00:34:05,910 --> 00:34:06,350
Hi.

549
00:34:06,650 --> 00:34:06,750
Hi.

550
00:34:09,820 --> 00:34:10,180
Thank you.

551
00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:10,620
Congratulations.

552
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:13,680
Next item.

553
00:34:18,420 --> 00:34:18,600
Okay.

554
00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,560
I'll do this number 8.

555
00:34:21,560 --> 00:34:22,080
I'm going to do this.

556
00:34:22,220 --> 00:34:22,420
Right.

557
00:34:23,060 --> 00:34:24,700
First of which, you have a number 10.

558
00:34:26,060 --> 00:34:26,500
10.

559
00:34:26,700 --> 00:34:28,320
It's apartment grade 2026.

560
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:34,640
that 001664, the bus operations in addition to 1010

561
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:37,280
Mordell-Streaters were able to send Simpson from

562
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,880
Senate on the Intervented Forward problem.

563
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,320
And VR to be 26, and that should be

564
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,340
there at once, except for direct use.

565
00:34:44,780 --> 00:34:46,120
So that's for the President of the State of

566
00:34:46,620 --> 00:34:48,520
1010 Mordell-Streaters was able to give the

567
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:50,200
Susanne Simpson's representative by

568
00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:50,900
Peter Van Bauer.

569
00:34:51,340 --> 00:34:53,030
All right.

570
00:34:53,230 --> 00:34:55,850
To post go to work is to demolish the existing

571
00:34:55,850 --> 00:34:58,190
rear addition and a portion of the South wall

572
00:34:58,190 --> 00:34:59,810
as well as construction and everything.

573
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:29,660
Number three, story, and case two of the report shows the site context, which states that the proposed edition will be located on the south side of the existing structure and will be wider and taller than the existing structure. The addition will be visible from the sidewalk on the north side or no go. However, much of the elevation will be shielded from view by the existing building. The alley behind the property is public. Many of the nearby buildings in this block also have modern edition before.

574
00:35:29,660 --> 00:35:42,440
other modifications. Page 5 of the report shows the placement of the new addition and there are

575
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:49,220
warm lands on pages 15 for 18 with elevations on pages 19 for funding and the renderings are on 24

576
00:35:49,220 --> 00:35:56,740
to 25. Page 3 draws attention to the design standards that include that additions should respect the

577
00:35:56,740 --> 00:35:59,140
heritage of the historic buildings, in which they are attached.

578
00:35:59,980 --> 00:36:02,880
Editions should remain subordinate to the historic structures.

579
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:06,940
Editions should serve as a compatible background element,

580
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:10,440
or echo the design features on the primary structure,

581
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,120
and that new word should be compatible with Stinkwitch-Blood.

582
00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:20,260
And the H-6 of the board has the H-2P staff prioritization.

583
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:22,940
H-6. Yes.

584
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:27,600
Right. Thank you.

585
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,140
So, should you please state your name and address for the record?

586
00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:35,380
Peter Vanderboh, 800, 4th Street, unit 52, Washington, D.C.

587
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:36,720
Thank you.

588
00:36:36,860 --> 00:36:39,900
Would you like to give a presentation or just answer the question?

589
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,080
I would like to give a presentation and let me tell you the dates of those.

590
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:44,040
Hi.

591
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:44,700
Have I?

592
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:45,820
Thank you.

593
00:36:47,240 --> 00:36:50,540
Do any members of the public wish to speak on this application?

594
00:36:56,900 --> 00:37:02,540
Do any members of the board have any questions for the applicant?

595
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:16,720
It's not the move on to that is ready to present it.

596
00:37:18,640 --> 00:37:20,760
Any other comments from the board members?

597
00:37:26,970 --> 00:37:33,050
Yes, I'd like to make a motion to approve that presentation.

598
00:37:33,050 --> 00:37:33,410
Okay.

599
00:37:33,410 --> 00:37:35,330
Oh, second, second.

600
00:37:36,430 --> 00:37:37,810
Uh, all in Gator,

601
00:37:39,650 --> 00:37:41,950
this is our privacy club.

602
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:47,130
No.

603
00:37:51,220 --> 00:37:53,320
And I'm special.

604
00:37:53,820 --> 00:37:53,940
Hi.

605
00:37:54,100 --> 00:37:54,840
Hi.

606
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:56,840
Hi.

607
00:37:58,180 --> 00:37:58,480
What's matter?

608
00:38:06,860 --> 00:38:09,700
Okay, next item on the agenda tonight is

609
00:38:09,700 --> 00:38:10,560
9.12.

610
00:38:11,420 --> 00:38:15,280
The AR 2026 that 0.0238.

611
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,020
All in the store district requested to offer you the 121.

612
00:38:18,220 --> 00:38:18,960
Fairfax Street.

613
00:38:19,300 --> 00:38:21,480
The applicant is going to need a little part of the story,

614
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:22,760
but presented by Patrick.

615
00:38:26,460 --> 00:38:27,140
Let's see.

616
00:38:28,100 --> 00:38:28,640
All right.

617
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:29,280
I'll just.

618
00:38:29,740 --> 00:38:30,180
Yes.

619
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:31,540
And here's the put there in here.

620
00:38:31,740 --> 00:38:32,160
One second.

621
00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:33,520
So just.

622
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,700
them. Yes.

623
00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:53,120
We have five. Five. All right. Um, a little bit back around here. Um, the

624
00:38:53,120 --> 00:38:57,580
proposed couple of work is for places existing wood shingle groove with a standing seam that

625
00:38:57,580 --> 00:39:03,620
root on page two of the report. You'll see that despite context for this page is a free standing

626
00:39:03,620 --> 00:39:08,940
house. That's it's been put back on the lot that spans to north of the

627
00:39:08,940 --> 00:39:15,700
street. Page three shows the proposed group and that is for the

628
00:39:15,700 --> 00:39:20,840
existing room with a sort of photograph. Page four draws attention to the

629
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,800
design standards that state and the original grouping material is missing and

630
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:28,860
cannot be determined. Roofing appropriate to the architectural style of the

631
00:39:28,860 --> 00:39:33,480
period of the building should be used, page 4 of the support has the age-based

632
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:45,200
path recommendation. And with that, we have a presentation. And then it was loaded.

633
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,580
Oh, please, I'm sorry. It went rogue on me.

634
00:39:49,900 --> 00:39:55,200
Okay, but you're doing that. I can just introduce myself. Good evening, Madam Chair, members

635
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:59,360
of the AR, my name is Justin Billson, I'm the executive director of the OVA Parks.

636
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:29,700
Thank you for address purposes. In this case, 5400 dots for your vaccination. I also have a couple of addresses and Alexandria as well. So, it is great to be here, great to, to provide a brief presentation on our proposal and we are excited about the opportunity to continue to invest in this historic property. We have half of the people in this room work for the Nova Park team and I just want the most to add up. So, you have a number of people here who can answer questions.

637
00:40:29,700 --> 00:40:34,480
for you. You need to be in charge of that, including our preservation architect,

638
00:40:34,660 --> 00:40:38,620
Mr. Marshall, Brian Nolan, from our planning team. Also from our planning team.

639
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,260
In fact, he was our historic site manager at Carly House, Nusdomed House,

640
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,620
our one-of-hour Park Superintendant, and Anne Fondre.

641
00:40:47,580 --> 00:40:53,820
So we, this year marks a half a century that we have had this property open to the public,

642
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:59,040
interpreting the history in this property, and continuing to invest in it. In the past

643
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:04,700
couple of years we have invested about a million and a half dollars and we are prepared to do a similar

644
00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:09,840
number of the next two years as originally we continue to invest in this court and historic

645
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:19,280
property both for Alexandria and our region. Very quickly the as Saf mentioned the proposal is to

646
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:28,740
replace the existing roof on this facility with a new roof that is designed to resemble

647
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:35,240
historic metal roof that is on this property for a significant portion of its history.

648
00:41:36,340 --> 00:41:41,960
We are excited to have the support of the staff, and we appreciate their support in their

649
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,540
collaboration as we work through this project over the last several months.

650
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,220
This is the condition of the existing roof.

651
00:41:50,260 --> 00:41:54,960
Unfortunately, this was a roof that was installed 20 years ago, and one of the reasons that

652
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:59,920
that we are proposing to now replace it with a metal roof

653
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:04,780
is a desire to not have to go and do significant work

654
00:42:04,780 --> 00:42:06,160
on this property frequently.

655
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:07,660
It is a very historic building

656
00:42:07,660 --> 00:42:09,660
and we would like the to not have to do

657
00:42:10,100 --> 00:42:13,420
the level of disruption that is required

658
00:42:13,420 --> 00:42:16,680
in order to replace a roof and disrupt the building.

659
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:22,560
And so we believe that by returning to the historic metal

660
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:27,360
the seed and the standing seed roof that we are proposing here that we will be able to avoid

661
00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:33,380
disruption, frequent disruptions on this property. We are proposing to do use a freedom grade

662
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:40,720
as detailed in your staff report and here's some examples, not in the city here, but here's some

663
00:42:40,720 --> 00:42:48,740
examples of that move in action and how it would look. We drew, as I said earlier, inspiration from

664
00:42:48,740 --> 00:42:52,140
the history of just building the history of other buildings in the old and historic district.

665
00:42:52,360 --> 00:43:00,160
In the case, we have two pictures here that kind of show you at various points over the

666
00:43:01,060 --> 00:43:07,420
Carla House's history, the non combustible metal roof on this property.

667
00:43:08,820 --> 00:43:14,220
That's two examples of that. We've also drew inspiration from the city's

668
00:43:14,220 --> 00:43:18,040
presentation of other properties that are in the city's inventory, including the Murray

669
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:26,940
Dick Fawson House, a property where the city recently installed a replacement of the

670
00:43:26,940 --> 00:43:29,220
metal on that facility.

671
00:43:29,720 --> 00:43:37,520
So we, and obviously we believe over time this roofing will age appropriately and consistent

672
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:43,460
with again the previous existence of a metal roof on this building.

673
00:43:44,780 --> 00:43:51,280
Finally, in addition to the staff's support, which we greatly appreciate, we have also consulted

674
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,400
the Virginia Department of Historic Resources, which holds the preservation easement on this

675
00:43:54,400 --> 00:44:01,220
property, and they have noted in your staff report provided support and affirmation that

676
00:44:01,220 --> 00:44:04,380
this is consistent with the Department of Interior standards for rehabilitation.

677
00:44:05,060 --> 00:44:09,900
So with that, as I said, we have a significant number of people here to answer any questions

678
00:44:09,900 --> 00:44:14,660
that you might have. And we hope that you will be supportive of the

679
00:44:14,660 --> 00:44:18,860
significant appropriateness application for our lives. So thank you. Thank you.

680
00:44:18,860 --> 00:44:23,040
Thank you. I believe members of the board have questions or we can read on

681
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:23,700
the deliberations.

682
00:44:26,410 --> 00:44:29,730
No, right? Do we have any more mixed figures for this?

683
00:44:29,790 --> 00:44:34,290
We certainly do. We start with Bob, Ryan, the second.

684
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:39,860
This is Bob, Ryan, they're good.

685
00:44:39,860 --> 00:44:51,360
Can you please just say your address as well to 11 camera street and I speak book as a neighbor and there's the impression of the historical sanitary proposition.

686
00:44:51,820 --> 00:44:55,180
If I'm not loud enough, I'm gonna tell me.

687
00:44:55,180 --> 00:44:57,960
I've never since that gone to my pulmonaryologist.

688
00:44:58,480 --> 00:44:59,920
Please focus on breathe.

689
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:29,100
I don't think that two wrongs make a right. And I'm hoping that I'm today preaching to the choir. I think that the fact that there was a metal roof on at some point in this lifetime is really irrelevant, but you're supposed to have the property.

690
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:36,800
And the road and everything about it exists, like it should have existed in 1752 when it was established.

691
00:45:37,980 --> 00:45:45,100
And I have a report which I think you have seen by Willie Graham, a curator of architecture retired from colonial Williamsburg.

692
00:45:45,900 --> 00:45:50,440
And he made some point that you can think and use the correct way, which would see it.

693
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:53,500
And it was the correct thickness and applied properly.

694
00:45:53,500 --> 00:45:55,860
It can last every bit as long as about a roof.

695
00:45:56,500 --> 00:46:00,400
You can debate with him, but he's really an expert on this subject.

696
00:46:01,240 --> 00:46:05,100
And it would argue that the proof originally had to be void.

697
00:46:05,420 --> 00:46:07,800
The one thing we know is it wouldn't be valid.

698
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:10,940
That was more Victorian-era wood.

699
00:46:11,720 --> 00:46:13,180
And wood is what would have been done.

700
00:46:13,380 --> 00:46:15,060
It would either have wood, that's your slate.

701
00:46:16,140 --> 00:46:17,280
Certainly wouldn't be that.

702
00:46:17,660 --> 00:46:19,040
It's not an Irish cottage.

703
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:21,760
Slate, we would have known that it would have been preserved.

704
00:46:21,760 --> 00:46:44,700
So obviously I think it's it's wood and like for the grams that are in history for it the appropriate question is what roof covering best serves the nationally significant 18th century house interpretive to the 1750s and standing within one of the country's most important historic districts.

705
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:49,200
And I think that's what you all have to focus on.

706
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:53,540
This is a tremendous property.

707
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:59,220
It's probably the most important property in the old historic district or the city of

708
00:46:59,220 --> 00:46:59,660
Alexandria.

709
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:01,940
And it had a wood roof.

710
00:47:02,220 --> 00:47:05,000
And if you look at it, it's a four-sided roof, it's stunning.

711
00:47:05,980 --> 00:47:08,100
And it's next to City Hall.

712
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:14,200
It's the building where General Braddock planned the French meeting to work with other colonies.

713
00:47:14,720 --> 00:47:20,140
It's much more than Washington was commissioned into the British Army and across the street

714
00:47:20,140 --> 00:47:25,100
of Market Square, it's more Washington and Drill the troops for the French and Indian

715
00:47:25,100 --> 00:47:25,660
Wolves.

716
00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:31,580
So I'm just saying that it's iconic, it should stay as it is, it should be wooded.

717
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:37,520
And the fact that they're going to have to repair it again maybe in 20 years and maybe

718
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:38,260
in 30 years.

719
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:39,800
They do it rather than they want.

720
00:47:39,800 --> 00:47:44,880
I don't think it's a factor that should be considered by the board.

721
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,020
Thank you. Any questions?

722
00:47:51,020 --> 00:47:52,080
Any questions?

723
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:54,100
Thank you.

724
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,320
Our next speaker is Gail Rockrock.

725
00:48:07,470 --> 00:48:08,450
Today, thank you all and members.

726
00:48:09,370 --> 00:48:11,150
My name is Gail Rockrock.

727
00:48:11,150 --> 00:48:12,750
I have two other bad things to read.

728
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:15,610
About two weeks ago,

729
00:48:15,610 --> 00:48:22,990
I was looking on North Lee Street and I noticed a B.A.R. posting for application at the

730
00:48:22,990 --> 00:48:28,910
Car Loud House and being on some time volunteer gardener there, I thought, oh, well, they're

731
00:48:28,910 --> 00:48:34,270
going to do something with basically time, and I'm sure it'll be for staff to administer

732
00:48:34,270 --> 00:48:34,950
the pool.

733
00:48:35,530 --> 00:48:44,130
But by the way, I looked at the docket and it was for a change in character of the group.

734
00:48:44,130 --> 00:48:55,790
So this is not appropriate. It's our landmark time, George, and museum property. And I think

735
00:48:55,790 --> 00:49:01,490
now this mission is to preserve our natural and cultural heritage of this really surprised

736
00:49:01,490 --> 00:49:10,270
their point for mental growth. So turning to the staff report, this certificate of

737
00:49:10,270 --> 00:49:17,870
of public standards that should have been found are the 105A2A over the overall architectural

738
00:49:17,870 --> 00:49:27,190
design, modern style, and structure, and B, architecture, details, including the original

739
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:29,110
material methods of construction.

740
00:49:29,830 --> 00:49:36,070
And we know both from the late Brandon and from our talks that the original material for

741
00:49:36,070 --> 00:49:38,130
this group was wood.

742
00:49:38,990 --> 00:49:45,050
And for the record, just to adhere to the city's preservation ordinance, the B.A.R. is instructed

743
00:49:45,050 --> 00:49:51,750
to abide as standards for a certificate of appropriate snot, consistency with the Tucson guidelines,

744
00:49:52,130 --> 00:49:53,970
which was stated in the salary push.

745
00:49:55,290 --> 00:49:59,750
So for this case, we were fortunate to have several extra experts laying in.

746
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:29,560
In the documentation, Martha Raymond National Park Service, retiree, with 42-year preservation, pointed out that the application should be the secretary standards for restoration. Restoration is the treatment that should be followed where the express goal is for the building to appear in its most significant time and in history. That period is a chunk of us tenure. And now Cox, former city historic preservation.

747
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:34,900
architecture, AIA, and Meredith points out that metal roofs were not available until

748
00:50:34,900 --> 00:50:39,500
the 19th century, and we're not coming here even till after the Civil War.

749
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:49,480
And Bob Langan has spoken about Louis Graham's point, and I think we need to address that

750
00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:57,040
because the good news with the proper wood and the materials well-lasted 15 years, he

751
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:59,500
and that experience at the Young Museumsburg.

752
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,480
Finally, maybe in some of the application

753
00:51:03,940 --> 00:51:05,520
wasn't for replacement in time,

754
00:51:06,020 --> 00:51:09,540
because now Nova Parks has the information

755
00:51:10,080 --> 00:51:16,260
and advice to do this properly by putting it on with rules.

756
00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:21,920
And it's my belief that Nova could apply the grants

757
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,680
from H.A.M. from the Alexandria Association,

758
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:33,540
and some moves like friends and friends that might do some fundraising, get help from this being a program with the correct moves.

759
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:34,300
Thank you.

760
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:35,880
Thank you.

761
00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,840
Our next speaker is Alden's builder.

762
00:51:43,940 --> 00:51:46,840
You guys can be on the blue.

763
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:48,060
Yeah.

764
00:51:57,260 --> 00:52:02,360
I'm going to echo a lot. My name is Alden Philbrook. I live at 133 North Fairfax Street,

765
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:08,560
which I happen to be the only residential neighbor of the Carlo House that look out every

766
00:52:08,560 --> 00:52:16,700
day from the bank of Alexandria. And I love Buddhist organizations and feel everybody should

767
00:52:16,700 --> 00:52:20,260
be great stewards of the city and the oldest or district.

768
00:52:20,940 --> 00:52:23,880
Carl has had just to be probably the most prominent building

769
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:25,540
in the city for ample reasons.

770
00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:29,120
The age course, the builder and the founder,

771
00:52:29,660 --> 00:52:33,080
Carlisle family put it there at the founding of the city.

772
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:36,840
The history that occurred in there that my colleagues

773
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:40,040
stepped through, but also it's open to the public

774
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:42,220
in a location that's very accessible.

775
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,720
So they get to come through, see what Alexander

776
00:52:44,720 --> 00:52:49,840
Andrew was all about first hand that go up into the rooms and the staff shows and where

777
00:52:49,840 --> 00:52:55,520
the final family lived. And it's interpreted to 1753. A lot of other things happened

778
00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:04,180
in the building, but the building was built in 1753. I'm very concerned with the, with

779
00:53:04,180 --> 00:53:09,800
two things and I hope that one other thing, the willy-thrame report, you read thoroughly

780
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:16,600
because it's a very fortunate of us to have access to Willie. He's done work at the bank of Alexandria,

781
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:18,660
but also throughout the mid-Atlantic.

782
00:53:20,740 --> 00:53:25,560
Concerned that the ordinance says that if you can't find

783
00:53:27,140 --> 00:53:33,780
evidence of what the roof was, then you have to go back and use material that's appropriate for the

784
00:53:33,780 --> 00:53:42,640
style and for the period. And the examples that you saw on the slide are our styles and periods,

785
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:49,680
but they're not of Carlaw House. Metal roofs were not available back in 1753, although there was

786
00:53:49,680 --> 00:53:57,580
one in 1880, which is true. That's the first standborne map that shows evidence, but that map,

787
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:04,280
That was 130 years after the House was born, so, or put together, so the House was historic

788
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:04,920
at that point.

789
00:54:05,380 --> 00:54:11,520
And a stone, George, had either slate or wood for the size of the house that wouldn't

790
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:16,260
have been fetched because of the investment in the house, and slate was not available this

791
00:54:16,260 --> 00:54:18,440
far south at in 1700s.

792
00:54:18,940 --> 00:54:20,560
So it pretty much was wood.

793
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:27,060
The Wheeling Grand Report put its hands on a bold shingle that was found in the house

794
00:54:27,060 --> 00:54:30,080
with 18th century nail holes.

795
00:54:31,100 --> 00:54:34,980
So there's some circumstantial evidence of wood.

796
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,500
But in buried in his report is the fact

797
00:54:38,500 --> 00:54:42,140
that if the wood material is correct, a white cedar,

798
00:54:42,340 --> 00:54:43,200
if it's the right thickness,

799
00:54:43,500 --> 00:54:47,500
and it's installed correctly with underlayers of breathing,

800
00:54:47,980 --> 00:54:51,640
it will last 30, 40, 50 years or more.

801
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:58,560
So it's not a reason to put wood on metal on a rig.

802
00:55:00,500 --> 00:55:19,080
In this case. So, I want to appeal to to everybody here that a wood roof is appropriate. That's the most important house in Alexandria and it should be interpreted as it was when it was been. Thank you. Thank you.

803
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:22,800
Yes, we have two more. William Dickinson.

804
00:55:30,110 --> 00:55:30,710
Good.

805
00:55:30,770 --> 00:55:31,650
Hi, I'm Bill Dickinson.

806
00:55:32,010 --> 00:55:35,950
I live here in Alexandria for almost 50 years.

807
00:55:36,730 --> 00:55:39,990
I live at 21, 21, Jameson Avenue.

808
00:55:41,150 --> 00:55:45,910
I looked served on the part of the board for about 12 years, representing Alexandria.

809
00:55:46,870 --> 00:55:49,850
So obviously I have a great interest in for us.

810
00:55:50,750 --> 00:55:52,230
And so at over the years.

811
00:55:53,290 --> 00:55:58,550
I'm agnostic on this issue, but I thought I had some information that might be useful to you.

812
00:55:59,810 --> 00:56:06,850
All in is quite correct. There was a report, a very extensive report in 1980 that looked

813
00:56:06,850 --> 00:56:12,650
at the renovation of the house, which took about six years. It took a huge amount of money.

814
00:56:13,050 --> 00:56:19,230
It cost at that time two and a half million dollars for the renovation. Put that into

815
00:56:19,230 --> 00:56:22,430
a day's dollars as about 14 million dollars.

816
00:56:22,990 --> 00:56:27,150
They went through extensive work, detailed work.

817
00:56:27,750 --> 00:56:28,990
No question about it.

818
00:56:29,110 --> 00:56:31,850
The roof was worth serious.

819
00:56:32,550 --> 00:56:34,310
But it interesting, I mean, the roof worked,

820
00:56:34,490 --> 00:56:36,610
and it's funny, very little mention of the roof.

821
00:56:37,370 --> 00:56:38,930
What mattered was the hall.

822
00:56:40,230 --> 00:56:42,570
It was where the grand con was assembled.

823
00:56:44,140 --> 00:56:47,450
It also really put the emphasis in report

824
00:56:47,450 --> 00:56:55,010
that the restoration had two purposes. One is to tell the history of the house, and curiously,

825
00:56:55,250 --> 00:57:01,850
they never mentioned the history after the Grand Congress, and never talked about the Civil War.

826
00:57:02,930 --> 00:57:09,190
But then he out, that's the way it was. And the second thing is to show the best

827
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:16,150
restoration methods possible. And that's shown in one of the rooms, the interpretive room, which

828
00:57:16,150 --> 00:57:21,290
the 18th century construction techniques

829
00:57:21,290 --> 00:57:24,230
along with the restoration.

830
00:57:25,150 --> 00:57:30,310
Yes, in 2006, the roof was falling apart.

831
00:57:31,770 --> 00:57:37,550
I was on the board, it was a devil to get money to work.

832
00:57:37,730 --> 00:57:41,330
We got a save America's treasures granted

833
00:57:41,330 --> 00:57:46,010
from the National Projects, thank you to Jim Moran.

834
00:57:47,290 --> 00:57:48,330
And then we had an issue.

835
00:57:49,670 --> 00:57:54,170
If we put on city groups, Fire Marshall did not want

836
00:57:54,170 --> 00:57:57,730
the Wooden Wooden Wooden in the city for obvious reasons.

837
00:57:59,270 --> 00:58:02,090
But here we start with we want authenticity.

838
00:58:03,210 --> 00:58:07,290
So we went with the idea of a single,

839
00:58:07,290 --> 00:58:14,370
all, Cedar Schindel, that was traded with fire retardant and painted with them.

840
00:58:15,390 --> 00:58:20,810
Now, we were told it would probably last 20, 30 years, but it didn't, or it may be pretty

841
00:58:20,810 --> 00:58:24,570
close, but you can see where it is, it's not in good shape.

842
00:58:26,410 --> 00:58:30,850
My concern is that that building be protected and preserving.

843
00:58:32,130 --> 00:58:36,610
And so you'll have a balancing issue to just run out to do it.

844
00:58:37,590 --> 00:58:45,490
As far as the secretaries of guidelines, I'm a layman looking at them near the experts to look at them.

845
00:58:45,570 --> 00:58:55,030
But I did read them and they said, you know, if you want to put elected items in there, plum and things like that, that's okay.

846
00:58:55,630 --> 00:58:58,690
And also get it comprised of code.

847
00:59:00,010 --> 00:59:00,910
So, there you go.

848
00:59:01,910 --> 00:59:02,510
Thank you so much.

849
00:59:02,730 --> 00:59:03,770
So, what's up to you, old?

850
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:07,610
Our last speaker is Yvonne Cali.

851
00:59:13,230 --> 00:59:13,850
This was.

852
00:59:15,870 --> 00:59:18,170
Good evening. My name is Ivonne Wake-Calihan.

853
00:59:18,370 --> 00:59:20,110
I'm president of the Italian Civic Association.

854
00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:22,930
I appreciate your extended offer for five minutes,

855
00:59:23,070 --> 00:59:24,310
which I will not take quite there.

856
00:59:24,410 --> 00:59:24,850
I don't think.

857
00:59:25,730 --> 00:59:30,270
Let me start off with what was on the Mount Vernon website.

858
00:59:30,270 --> 00:59:35,930
Wood was the overwhelming church choice for Virginia groups in Washington

859
00:59:35,930 --> 00:59:40,930
days, saves Karab. Washington purchased hundreds of thousands of shingles for

860
00:59:40,930 --> 00:59:45,510
Mount Vernon during his lifetime. Most of them split from cypress trees cut down

861
00:59:45,510 --> 00:59:51,790
in the dismal swamp of southern Virginia. So we start with the premise that this

862
00:59:51,790 --> 00:59:56,250
would have been wood. There could have been slaying in those days even

863
00:59:56,250 --> 00:59:59,730
probably not. My understanding is that swaying sometimes

864
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:23,780
So, what you're being asked to do is kind of overlook the issue of the period of significance

865
01:00:23,780 --> 01:00:30,780
in this case. There's one area, the time that Scarlett also was built. That is not the case

866
01:00:30,780 --> 01:00:36,340
with the Meridic Fosset House. It was a deliberate choice to show that that was a living,

867
01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:43,340
breathing occupied house for hundreds of years. Now, it was also not mentioned. Was that the

868
01:00:43,340 --> 01:00:50,740
front on Prince Street? We know to be wood. So, even the significant part of the Meridic Fosset House

869
01:00:51,540 --> 01:00:56,580
exemplifies what was put on there before, and we have a longer period of significance

870
01:00:56,580 --> 01:00:59,380
because of its continued occupancy.

871
01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:05,720
I would also suggest that my friend Joseph and I should probably take a little trip around to it.

872
01:01:06,360 --> 01:01:12,560
Because if I understand it correctly, gas is now being replaced in its wooden shingles.

873
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:21,400
and the HAF building on the Wolf Street also recently replaced its roof with shingles, presumably

874
01:01:21,400 --> 01:01:27,200
with consultation and approval of staff, just like they wanted that to go down.

875
01:01:28,140 --> 01:01:38,180
Now, I think that the fire issue is there's a crime out there's a fire station two blocks away from the car last.

876
01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:42,860
Shingles can be made flame retardant.

877
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:49,860
Shingles can also be covered to put metal under the groove to make it a little bit safer.

878
01:01:50,740 --> 01:01:54,280
Shingles can also be treated so that they last.

879
01:01:55,040 --> 01:02:00,480
In fact, I'm sorry you may have heard Christine Roberts has had a medical emergency in her family.

880
01:02:00,500 --> 01:02:07,000
It's not able to be here, but she has located single companies where they have a 50-year warranty.

881
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:15,740
I would suggest that the notion that there was a movie film tier is, okay, what are we

882
01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:16,120
going to do?

883
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:20,660
We would agree that maybe Tara should be maintained because it was a movie, but that's

884
01:02:20,660 --> 01:02:21,180
about it yet.

885
01:02:21,780 --> 01:02:26,480
If we jumped into the 21st century and said, oh, we could have met it because there was

886
01:02:26,480 --> 01:02:27,240
a movie film here.

887
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:32,380
We have forgotten everything we were ever supposed to learn about historic preservation.

888
01:02:32,380 --> 01:02:39,160
So, I would urge you to let's just keep on working and see what we can do to achieve this.

889
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,640
The hidden elephant here is cost.

890
01:02:42,540 --> 01:02:43,580
You're not to consider that.

891
01:02:44,020 --> 01:02:45,180
Thank you very much.

892
01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:45,780
Thank you.

893
01:02:46,420 --> 01:02:46,700
Thank you.

894
01:02:46,700 --> 01:02:47,440
That's the answer.

895
01:02:48,020 --> 01:02:48,800
Thank you.

896
01:02:49,100 --> 01:02:51,960
We'll move to the regulations on the members.

897
01:02:52,780 --> 01:02:54,340
Anyone would like to vote for us?

898
01:03:05,940 --> 01:03:18,060
If I can and first of all, I think the comments from from the speakers of many of you were good partners and volunteers in Carlisle House and shared a lot of this facility.

899
01:03:18,740 --> 01:03:36,100
My friend, Yvonne and I, we, I would be happy to go on a tour with you, but I can save you some time and provide a little bit of a visual tour of a number of properties in the old historic district with similar

900
01:03:36,100 --> 01:03:42,460
their roofs from a similar time approved by the B.A.R., furthermore, I think it's important

901
01:03:42,460 --> 01:03:50,860
to note that we interpret multiple periods of significance at Carlisle House.

902
01:03:51,180 --> 01:03:56,200
I think the suggestion that there is only one period of historic significance that we

903
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:58,620
interpret at Carlisle House is not accurate.

904
01:03:58,620 --> 01:04:03,860
And I would quote, and I think we've talked a little bit about the Maria Cpaset House

905
01:04:03,860 --> 01:04:14,360
and Al Cox commissioned a report for OHA back in 2023, and I quote from that report

906
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:19,020
for a practical and economic reasons medical roofing has been installed on a majority structure

907
01:04:19,020 --> 01:04:23,440
for approximately 100 years, the same amount of time that which shingles were used here.

908
01:04:23,780 --> 01:04:28,280
So the appearance of a standing seam metal roof has also acquired historic importance

909
01:04:28,280 --> 01:04:32,720
and its own right as a character-defining feature of the dwelling should be reinstalled

910
01:04:32,720 --> 01:04:36,680
and matched the material and appearance of original as closely as possible.

911
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:41,540
And so I think it's important to note, again, for a significant portion of the history

912
01:04:41,540 --> 01:04:47,980
of Carlisle House, we have had a roof much akin to what we are proposing to install.

913
01:04:48,820 --> 01:04:51,140
And I'm happy to answer any additional questions for the board.

914
01:04:53,090 --> 01:04:53,770
Thank you.

915
01:05:05,300 --> 01:05:29,980
Thank you to all and to the party. Thank you, Mr. Wilson, and even staff for your recommendations. I have been on a close read about this. I wondered why slate wasn't being proposed. And I understand that that would have been an option. That way back on.

916
01:05:30,560 --> 01:05:37,000
I was involved in the transaction on the 100 block of print street that as late as its

917
01:05:37,000 --> 01:05:42,500
roof and it was built in the 1780s.

918
01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:48,600
So I do know it's an option and the story is that it came in as balanced as I believe

919
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:55,240
one of you mentioned in a ship and that ship owner put the slate on the roof and it's still

920
01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:56,780
there, believe it or not.

921
01:05:56,780 --> 01:05:58,920
So I guess those things happen.

922
01:05:59,500 --> 01:06:05,700
I take it at your word that the research had been done and that this was very likely it

923
01:06:05,700 --> 01:06:07,980
would move from the get go.

924
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:17,560
I am of the month disposition that this is a wonderful opportunity for you all to restore

925
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:23,920
it to its original brand or this is this house, this one is really in rarefied air in

926
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:30,780
Virginia and throughout our country with its history. So many people attend the whole town

927
01:06:30,780 --> 01:06:38,620
speaking of the parlour house. So I think while you know it may be difficult for you all to swallow,

928
01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:44,760
I think the appropriate thing to do is put the wood roof on this house and that is how I will vote.

929
01:06:46,000 --> 01:06:47,560
Thank you. Thank you.

930
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:53,660
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your stewardship of this property.

931
01:06:53,660 --> 01:06:59,700
and appreciate everything you're saying. I do think that Mr. Graham presents a compelling case

932
01:06:59,700 --> 01:07:05,980
for the wood shingle as well as techniques that could be considered employing them that might make

933
01:07:05,980 --> 01:07:13,360
the roof less longer. And as you know, it's not our job to assess costs or maintenance in our deliberations,

934
01:07:13,600 --> 01:07:19,320
but rather what is appropriate to the age and the significance of the building. Given this is a museum

935
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:26,140
that's largely interpreted from the 1750s and given the fact that we are in Virginia and

936
01:07:27,340 --> 01:07:32,040
potentially the school standard of historic homes, including Mount Vernon,

937
01:07:32,180 --> 01:07:37,660
Sticky Miles down the road, I think if we want to be taken seriously as a historic

938
01:07:37,660 --> 01:07:43,700
destination in Virginia, we need to take the roof for the car while on how seriously and

939
01:07:43,700 --> 01:07:45,880
and to the right thing for the roof.

940
01:07:46,680 --> 01:07:50,680
So I too would prefer to see what she both replaced

941
01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:52,040
and properly done.

942
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:54,200
And that's all better.

943
01:07:54,680 --> 01:07:55,180
Thank you.

944
01:07:55,800 --> 01:07:56,140
Assistant.

945
01:07:56,800 --> 01:08:01,580
Thank you everyone for your speaking on this item

946
01:08:01,580 --> 01:08:04,600
and I really appreciate the work that has been done

947
01:08:04,600 --> 01:08:07,180
and the information has been lied to us for this.

948
01:08:08,460 --> 01:08:11,240
Typically I am not one for saying that something,

949
01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:17,420
I mean, Alexandria, that should be a sealed box, sealed museum box, and nothing should ever change.

950
01:08:18,320 --> 01:08:25,920
But on this particular aisle, I tend to lean with my colleagues that a wood group would be appropriate.

951
01:08:25,920 --> 01:08:39,820
But maybe there are more modern installation methods that could help it last longer, which may be more expensive upfront today, but actually wouldn't save you money in the long run.

952
01:08:39,820 --> 01:08:42,780
that you should explore as far as construction techniques

953
01:08:42,780 --> 01:08:44,260
to actually make that work last longer.

954
01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:46,100
Thank you.

955
01:08:46,900 --> 01:08:51,100
And I echo the opinions on the rest of the members,

956
01:08:51,480 --> 01:08:55,060
what we've needed, but it's very important building.

957
01:08:55,460 --> 01:08:58,820
He's going to, and I believe it's,

958
01:08:59,340 --> 01:09:02,760
it's worth, we don't master the cost,

959
01:09:02,980 --> 01:09:04,540
but it's worth spending a little bit more

960
01:09:04,540 --> 01:09:07,400
and keeping tune to the history of the building.

961
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:16,020
So I believe in replacing the big wood, but it wouldn't call it that I'm done properly, so it's just.

962
01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:20,200
I would like to thank you.

963
01:09:20,540 --> 01:09:21,300
Thank

964
01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:41,380
you very much.

965
01:09:41,380 --> 01:09:50,720
Yeah, I think hearing a unanimous from the board. I don't think there's any merit in requesting a deferral. I think we'll make a decision about whether it's even a film.

966
01:09:52,300 --> 01:09:59,780
All right, I'll make a motion. I'll motion to approve with the condition of using appropriate wood to keep this.

967
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:29,980
It's probably a period of 1750 to with all the line to means that there's a need to make sure that it's and say it's as it can be. Exactly. Madam Chair, can I can I clarify into the motion. So our, our request is to replace the room with a, a, a, a, bouncy groove, which was recommended by staff. I think what I'm hearing is not.

968
01:10:29,980 --> 01:10:37,360
not a denial hearing an approval of a request that we're not making so I want to be clear

969
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:41,220
on what the what the motion is that it's been asked to hear.

970
01:10:41,560 --> 01:10:44,720
Not a denial of changing the rules to the material.

971
01:10:45,480 --> 01:10:51,020
So a request to just replace the roof in light because an administrative request is not

972
01:10:51,020 --> 01:10:52,800
the request that we have to take before the work today.

973
01:10:53,260 --> 01:10:53,980
We just want to start.

974
01:10:54,620 --> 01:10:54,700
Okay.

975
01:10:56,820 --> 01:10:57,700
That's the problem.

976
01:10:57,820 --> 01:10:59,940
But I'll make a motion to deny this application.

977
01:11:02,150 --> 01:11:02,590
Second.

978
01:11:09,490 --> 01:11:10,210
This is not required.

979
01:11:11,990 --> 01:11:12,870
Thank you.

980
01:11:13,590 --> 01:11:14,530
This is not required.

981
01:11:14,790 --> 01:11:15,070
We'll go home.

982
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:15,930
We can do a little bit.

983
01:11:16,130 --> 01:11:16,610
See you.

984
01:11:19,690 --> 01:11:20,130
I.

985
01:11:20,350 --> 01:11:20,790
I.

986
01:11:23,970 --> 01:11:26,290
Thank you.

987
01:11:26,310 --> 01:11:26,590
Thank you.

988
01:11:27,590 --> 01:11:29,130
We'll take a five minute break.

989
01:11:29,690 --> 01:11:31,490
And back at eight point.

990
01:11:37,670 --> 01:11:38,470
Thank you.

991
01:11:41,010 --> 01:11:41,410
Thank you.

992
01:11:41,570 --> 01:11:41,810
Thank you.

993
01:11:44,010 --> 01:11:44,410
Yeah,

994
01:11:46,370 --> 01:11:46,570
thank you.

995
01:11:48,330 --> 01:11:49,290
Nice and warm,

996
01:11:49,450 --> 01:11:50,050
thank you.

997
01:11:51,070 --> 01:11:51,410
Very well.

998
01:11:51,670 --> 01:11:51,730
Thank you.

999
01:11:52,990 --> 01:11:55,910
I'm going to love you so much.

1000
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:05,830
Thank you.

1001
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:21,080
aye, aye, nay, abstain, quorum, agenda item, ordinance, resolution, city council, public hearing, minutes, adjourned.

1002
01:19:54,560 --> 01:19:58,000
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1003
01:20:34,650 --> 01:20:35,490
Okay,

1004
01:20:39,630 --> 01:20:40,590
thank you.

1005
01:20:43,690 --> 01:20:46,790
Sorry. My voice seems to be on my way.

1006
01:20:47,210 --> 01:20:52,310
All right, I'm ready for 13. Tonight is BR 2026.

1007
01:20:53,330 --> 01:20:54,870
There are two separate points.

1008
01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:55,970
in terms of district type.

1009
01:20:56,250 --> 01:20:58,170
Question of operations that three, three, five,

1010
01:20:58,170 --> 01:20:59,170
and one of the oil streams,

1011
01:20:59,430 --> 01:21:00,790
applicants to fall into the enemy.

1012
01:21:04,730 --> 01:21:07,450
Yes, two of them, two good privacy streams

1013
01:21:07,450 --> 01:21:10,750
on the second floor, rear, north, east elevation deck.

1014
01:21:11,550 --> 01:21:13,390
On page two of the report,

1015
01:21:13,930 --> 01:21:17,150
you can see the site context is in quarter unit

1016
01:21:17,150 --> 01:21:20,150
with residential, a buddy goes to the south

1017
01:21:20,150 --> 01:21:21,870
and the east of the subject site.

1018
01:21:22,330 --> 01:21:23,530
So from both privacy panels,

1019
01:21:23,770 --> 01:21:26,590
we'll be visible for Princess Street and North Royal Street.

1020
01:21:26,590 --> 01:21:36,170
Page 3 of the report shows the placement of the post screens and there's more photos on pages 13 and 14 including photos from the mountain itself.

1021
01:21:37,290 --> 01:21:48,970
Page 3 also draws attention to the design standards that include that the design should not hide obscure obscure or cause removal of the historic architectural elements.

1022
01:21:48,970 --> 01:21:55,070
It should be made of materials, which are sympathetic to the building material generally found in the historic district.

1023
01:21:55,310 --> 01:22:00,410
And it should generally be painted the predominant color in the building, more than color of the trim.

1024
01:22:01,330 --> 01:22:04,890
Page four of the report as the age piece staff recommendation.

1025
01:22:06,590 --> 01:22:07,410
Thank you.

1026
01:22:07,670 --> 01:22:09,270
Do you need to state your name on it?

1027
01:22:09,650 --> 01:22:11,350
Oh, let's do it.

1028
01:22:11,350 --> 01:22:14,530
My wife and I are going to pop the 35 North Warriors.

1029
01:22:15,390 --> 01:22:16,190
Thank you.

1030
01:22:16,190 --> 01:22:20,130
Would you like to make a presentation or just answer a question?

1031
01:22:20,830 --> 01:22:20,890
Yeah.

1032
01:22:21,150 --> 01:22:22,610
You do want a presentation.

1033
01:22:23,630 --> 01:22:27,390
I sent in the other day when I saw the staff recommendation.

1034
01:22:28,170 --> 01:22:29,830
Three additional photos.

1035
01:22:30,510 --> 01:22:30,890
Did you see?

1036
01:22:31,210 --> 01:22:33,450
The other you want to make a gallery group?

1037
01:22:33,670 --> 01:22:34,530
It's the same as it.

1038
01:22:35,470 --> 01:22:36,110
I kind of apologize.

1039
01:22:36,310 --> 01:22:37,370
Reversed on the original.

1040
01:22:37,570 --> 01:22:37,830
Yeah.

1041
01:22:38,190 --> 01:22:38,630
Sorry.

1042
01:22:39,070 --> 01:22:39,510
Whatever.

1043
01:22:39,810 --> 01:22:40,310
I don't think.

1044
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:41,070
I think it made sense.

1045
01:22:41,330 --> 01:22:41,430
So.

1046
01:22:43,190 --> 01:22:48,650
The first photo is the photo of the hero of our house.

1047
01:22:50,490 --> 01:22:57,350
And I just wanted to indicate that the architecture between the two homes there, very, very similar, is almost identical.

1048
01:22:58,390 --> 01:23:07,370
The second photo is our neighbor, adjacent neighbor, who also has a privacy screen already.

1049
01:23:09,350 --> 01:23:12,070
in on her, her porch on her deck.

1050
01:23:12,810 --> 01:23:15,870
And then the third photo is a picture

1051
01:23:15,870 --> 01:23:18,830
of what we view from our deck,

1052
01:23:19,270 --> 01:23:22,490
which is a property that's on Princess Street.

1053
01:23:23,250 --> 01:23:24,730
The orientation is there,

1054
01:23:24,910 --> 01:23:26,970
that we see the side of the house all the way down

1055
01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:30,510
to where they're going, where they're there is.

1056
01:23:31,830 --> 01:23:35,110
And the view from, from those windows,

1057
01:23:36,270 --> 01:23:43,810
actually look on to our deck and write into our master bedroom. And we have a four-glass panel

1058
01:23:43,810 --> 01:23:54,250
door on the deck itself. So that's what the original request was. And so my response was

1059
01:23:54,250 --> 01:24:00,310
really to the staff concerns. The first one was that the proposal was incompatible with

1060
01:24:00,310 --> 01:24:03,510
that the architectural character of the building.

1061
01:24:04,170 --> 01:24:08,370
And then the second one is that the building is located

1062
01:24:08,370 --> 01:24:10,810
at a gateway to the historic district,

1063
01:24:11,010 --> 01:24:12,910
which I never knew was really at a station.

1064
01:24:14,070 --> 01:24:16,770
And so I'm not really sure what exactly that meant.

1065
01:24:17,750 --> 01:24:21,650
But in this photograph, you can see

1066
01:24:21,650 --> 01:24:23,930
that the townhouse immediately next door,

1067
01:24:24,190 --> 01:24:27,130
which has the same architectural design burglar

1068
01:24:27,130 --> 01:24:30,570
has an existing privacy screening incorporated into it,

1069
01:24:30,670 --> 01:24:32,730
into a deck and purchase structure.

1070
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:35,370
And I understand that that screening

1071
01:24:35,950 --> 01:24:37,810
was a food pilot board at the time

1072
01:24:37,810 --> 01:24:39,190
of its original development.

1073
01:24:40,490 --> 01:24:42,530
This is particularly relevant

1074
01:24:43,290 --> 01:24:45,210
because the proposed screening on my property

1075
01:24:45,210 --> 01:24:47,710
could serve essentially the same architectural

1076
01:24:47,710 --> 01:24:48,810
and privacy function.

1077
01:24:49,770 --> 01:24:52,290
The existing neighboring example demonstrates

1078
01:24:53,030 --> 01:24:55,850
that the privacy screening can be incorporated

1079
01:24:55,850 --> 01:24:59,050
into the structures while remaining compatible.

1080
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:24,440
The architecture of the overall development. And so, you know, we, we're concerned about the fact that, you know, we want to implement or integrate into the existing architecture of the building. And, and we definitely feel like there was a need for privacy. So we requested a proposal for us.

1081
01:25:27,220 --> 01:25:31,000
Do any members of the board have questions for the opening?

1082
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:31,200
Thank you.

1083
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:34,080
What are we going to do with all this?

1084
01:25:36,560 --> 01:25:37,040
Sure.

1085
01:25:37,420 --> 01:25:39,460
Can we have the public speaker?

1086
01:25:39,940 --> 01:25:41,400
We'll leave you in a minute.

1087
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:42,280
A whole map.

1088
01:25:42,780 --> 01:25:43,260
Please.

1089
01:25:44,140 --> 01:25:44,400
Okay.

1090
01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:44,680
Yes.

1091
01:25:44,820 --> 01:25:46,360
Just me.

1092
01:25:46,460 --> 01:25:46,960
Members of the board.

1093
01:25:47,160 --> 01:25:47,940
Stephen Flinsky.

1094
01:25:48,560 --> 01:25:50,360
One of four north west stream.

1095
01:25:51,040 --> 01:25:52,760
I haven't met Mr.

1096
01:25:53,060 --> 01:25:58,200
Leslie before, but I did want to say this is a project that my office did about 10 years ago.

1097
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:00,080
There is nothing.

1098
01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:07,720
the historic visible from this MAC deck, I see what Mr. Lesley doing on that and I respect

1099
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:12,540
that this is something that we would have done had the money been there earlier on in

1100
01:26:12,540 --> 01:26:15,700
another and then perform the project to develop this.

1101
01:26:16,440 --> 01:26:24,640
There's nothing sacred about this, I think you should allow this, no offense of all very

1102
01:26:24,640 --> 01:26:25,500
proud of these buildings.

1103
01:26:25,980 --> 01:26:29,620
I'd like that they're the gateway to the historic district because there's little historic

1104
01:26:29,620 --> 01:26:33,460
work side across the street saying this is the historic district and there's a lot of

1105
01:26:33,460 --> 01:26:37,100
information online where you see that picture and you see these four houses that were

1106
01:26:37,100 --> 01:26:42,000
developed there kind of applying their district, you know, we're not, I think it was a successful

1107
01:26:42,000 --> 01:26:47,240
project, but we expected it to adapt every time like this. So it's loved to see this.

1108
01:26:48,020 --> 01:26:49,580
Thank you. Thank you.

1109
01:26:51,860 --> 01:26:56,600
Any other members of the public? We wish to speak on this. No,

1110
01:26:56,600 --> 01:26:59,800
We'll open to the deliberation of the board members.

1111
01:27:00,540 --> 01:27:02,420
Anyone would like to go first?

1112
01:27:03,660 --> 01:27:04,720
I'll go first.

1113
01:27:06,020 --> 01:27:08,140
I agree with Mr. Kalinsky.

1114
01:27:08,840 --> 01:27:12,200
I think that screening on this property seems appropriate.

1115
01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:13,800
I don't have an issue with the screening.

1116
01:27:14,300 --> 01:27:17,280
I do have some concerns about the design of the screen.

1117
01:27:17,580 --> 01:27:25,620
And I wonder if the applicants might consider doing something that's more similar to the next door neighbors that's more of a lattice design as opposed to the heavy slats.

1118
01:27:25,620 --> 01:27:32,320
I feel like the slats are, they feel chunky and create a lot of extra lines that don't

1119
01:27:32,320 --> 01:27:36,740
agree with the other lines, whereas the lattice might just be more compatible also with

1120
01:27:36,740 --> 01:27:37,060
big risk.

1121
01:27:37,160 --> 01:27:40,020
For example, if I'm in the business, go ahead and look at it for the five of a second.

1122
01:27:42,900 --> 01:27:43,140
Thank you.

1123
01:27:45,140 --> 01:27:49,820
Well, with that said, if you're totally fine with that, I'm totally fine with improving that.

1124
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:51,480
Thank you.

1125
01:27:52,000 --> 01:27:52,360
Thank you.

1126
01:27:52,360 --> 01:27:56,760
Okay, so here you want to make something?

1127
01:27:57,540 --> 01:28:05,840
An information that we approve the certificate with the stipulation that the lattice is designed

1128
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:10,880
to appear the same as the next year or the next, last.

1129
01:28:13,220 --> 01:28:13,680
Second.

1130
01:28:16,830 --> 01:28:18,530
So this is not overall, right?

1131
01:28:19,050 --> 01:28:21,030
It's not that much of a problem with the paper.

1132
01:28:21,370 --> 01:28:21,870
All in favor?

1133
01:28:21,870 --> 01:28:26,170
Hi. Hi. Hi. Any opposed? No. Thank you.

1134
01:28:26,370 --> 01:28:26,550
Thank you.

1135
01:28:30,570 --> 01:28:31,370
Thanks.

1136
01:28:33,330 --> 01:28:35,530
Item number 14.

1137
01:28:36,170 --> 01:28:36,850
Yes. Yes.

1138
01:28:37,270 --> 01:28:40,430
Item 14 tonight is AR 2026.

1139
01:28:40,430 --> 01:28:44,370
or dash zero zero to eight five will distort history

1140
01:28:44,370 --> 01:28:46,310
for the first demolition encapsulation

1141
01:28:46,310 --> 01:28:48,190
at 213 South Fairfax Bridge.

1142
01:28:48,650 --> 01:28:50,010
Black and Lincoln's John and C2.

1143
01:28:50,450 --> 01:28:52,650
Tomio, who was sent by John's old co-ordinator.

1144
01:28:53,390 --> 01:28:53,550
It's a big time.

1145
01:28:53,910 --> 01:28:58,350
So the focus to abolish 220th where B of the West

1146
01:28:58,350 --> 01:29:01,150
are rear base-ring wall and removal

1147
01:29:01,150 --> 01:29:04,250
of the existing porch screening and frame and gar rails.

1148
01:29:04,510 --> 01:29:06,450
This project is demolition only.

1149
01:29:06,450 --> 01:29:25,210
On page 2 of the report, you'll see the site context for this project is standalone brick home with the private alley to the south pages 11 to 16 of the report shows the brewers section to be encapsulated page 3 of the report walks you through the demolition

1150
01:29:25,210 --> 01:29:30,610
in the right area, the report has the HP staff recommendation.

1151
01:29:31,940 --> 01:29:36,850
Yes, I think it's a say your name and answer is what I'm talking about.

1152
01:29:36,850 --> 01:29:38,510
John, hold back.

1153
01:29:39,370 --> 01:29:41,450
This is what we're doing today.

1154
01:29:43,130 --> 01:29:48,370
I haven't answered questions, but I think it's been straightforwardly.

1155
01:29:48,710 --> 01:29:49,230
You know, for yourself.

1156
01:29:49,610 --> 01:29:51,070
The next question to do.

1157
01:29:51,530 --> 01:29:53,190
Any questions from the board members?

1158
01:29:54,090 --> 01:29:58,430
It will be have any members of the public who would like to speak on it.

1159
01:30:00,140 --> 01:30:19,860
Okay, you open to the integration, or are you going to make a motion? I'll make a motion. I can motion for approval. I'm sorry, I'm like, yes, I'd like the motion for approval with that recommendations. Thank you. I'm assuming that both. This is a roll call. Do you need a second? Second,

1160
01:30:24,990 --> 01:30:34,510
aye. Special. Aye. Thank you. Thank you. Congratulations. Thank you.

1161
01:30:34,510 --> 01:30:35,550
I am connected with.

1162
01:30:36,470 --> 01:30:39,730
President, I am on 13th at 16th,

1163
01:30:39,730 --> 01:30:41,710
the year of on 226th,

1164
01:30:41,710 --> 01:30:42,330
and messenger,

1165
01:30:42,330 --> 01:30:48,910
two 8 main lines of district federal operations and fishing at 8117 Columbus,

1166
01:30:49,070 --> 01:30:49,710
the African,

1167
01:30:49,950 --> 01:30:50,030
Jackson.

1168
01:30:50,030 --> 01:30:52,190
Joan Barton, representative by the

1169
01:30:52,190 --> 01:30:53,790
Dianne Grieb, architect and

1170
01:30:53,790 --> 01:30:55,590
D-A-R-2-M-E-T-N-E-S-X.

1171
01:30:55,830 --> 01:30:57,190
Here is your two-night flat,

1172
01:30:57,490 --> 01:30:57,970
which is for the history.

1173
01:30:59,510 --> 01:31:00,330
Professor Hoffman,

1174
01:31:00,470 --> 01:31:01,330
I'm listening to the cancellation

1175
01:31:01,330 --> 01:31:03,350
and 8-1-1 in the south of the

1176
01:31:03,350 --> 01:31:03,850
England streets.

1177
01:31:04,330 --> 01:31:06,650
Yeah, that is Joan Barton, representative by

1178
01:31:06,650 --> 01:31:07,390
Dan Green.

1179
01:31:08,170 --> 01:31:09,150
Hi, good evening.

1180
01:31:09,590 --> 01:31:10,410
I'm Diana Grieb.

1181
01:31:10,850 --> 01:31:13,030
It's just one quick of a minute here.

1182
01:31:13,210 --> 01:31:14,550
So you're clearly fine.

1183
01:31:14,550 --> 01:31:19,130
And the proposal for work is to demolish 100 square feet of a group area on the Front East

1184
01:31:19,130 --> 01:31:20,090
Elevation Group.

1185
01:31:20,650 --> 01:31:25,830
And then to construct your normal windows on the Front East Elevation, on page 2 of

1186
01:31:25,830 --> 01:31:30,730
the report, you'll see that the site contacts for this project is part of a row of eight town

1187
01:31:30,730 --> 01:31:33,650
homes with a public alley to the west and subject site.

1188
01:31:34,030 --> 01:31:39,650
To propose normal owners, we'll be visible from South Columbus Street and Jefferson on page

1189
01:31:39,650 --> 01:31:49,830
page 4, I'm painting 4, shows the placement of the dormers, and then we draw attention

1190
01:31:49,830 --> 01:31:54,170
to the design standards that say the style and scale of the dormers should be appropriate

1191
01:31:54,170 --> 01:31:55,490
to the architectural style.

1192
01:31:56,150 --> 01:31:59,110
Dormers should not be too taller than the existing bridge line of the roof.

1193
01:31:59,810 --> 01:32:04,170
Dormers sashes should be compatible with the other sashes and the trim on the structure.

1194
01:32:04,830 --> 01:32:08,610
New dormers should be centered on or between the existing windows.

1195
01:32:08,610 --> 01:32:12,210
and then lastly, dormer sidewalls may be covered

1196
01:32:12,210 --> 01:32:14,270
to match the existing roof material,

1197
01:32:14,330 --> 01:32:15,550
but as it looks later, I'm out.

1198
01:32:16,750 --> 01:32:19,410
And then page five has the staff recommendation.

1199
01:32:21,140 --> 01:32:23,130
Hi, good evening, Diane Grieba,

1200
01:32:23,550 --> 01:32:26,490
and I'm at 33-03 on-day landing.

1201
01:32:27,470 --> 01:32:30,530
And the client would greatly appreciate

1202
01:32:31,420 --> 01:32:33,610
she has a large space up there in the attic

1203
01:32:33,610 --> 01:32:37,370
and wants to utilize it and have egress as well.

1204
01:32:37,370 --> 01:32:50,710
So this would be a perfect fit sort of mirroring some of the architectural dormers on the street there and we'll follow the staff recommendations.

1205
01:32:51,690 --> 01:32:52,590
Thank you.

1206
01:32:53,430 --> 01:32:56,610
Do any more members have questions from the applicant?

1207
01:32:58,130 --> 01:33:01,970
Any public members who would like to speak?

1208
01:33:01,970 --> 01:33:14,150
No, right. We'll open for deliberation. I need four members. Do you have any comments or want to make a motion to approve or a stat recommendation?

1209
01:33:14,150 --> 01:33:14,330
discussion.

1210
01:33:15,030 --> 01:33:15,890
Thank you.

1211
01:33:16,870 --> 01:33:21,070
Good to meet you.

1212
01:33:22,270 --> 01:33:23,150
The next

1213
01:33:27,370 --> 01:33:48,210
VP is of all my

1214
01:33:48,210 --> 01:33:48,350
book.

1215
01:33:48,350 --> 01:33:51,890
Um, obviously they're attached to each other and the same architect same design.

1216
01:33:52,350 --> 01:33:55,010
All those things that would suggest for the sake of, uh,

1217
01:33:55,510 --> 01:33:56,690
Reming that the board, uh,

1218
01:33:58,130 --> 01:33:58,910
Discussing them together,

1219
01:33:58,910 --> 01:34:01,590
and then we will need to do a separate vote for each one,

1220
01:34:01,810 --> 01:34:03,150
uh, if the board is okay with them.

1221
01:34:03,390 --> 01:34:03,530
Yes.

1222
01:34:04,290 --> 01:34:04,690
Yes.

1223
01:34:04,890 --> 01:34:04,970
Okay.

1224
01:34:05,250 --> 01:34:06,530
So let me read them all in.

1225
01:34:07,350 --> 01:34:08,770
There's a bunch of words.

1226
01:34:09,510 --> 01:34:11,090
The air on 20.6.

1227
01:34:11,590 --> 01:34:12,290
That's zero zero.

1228
01:34:12,610 --> 01:34:13,930
293 will disturb district.

1229
01:34:43,930 --> 01:34:44,550
of Washington Street.

1230
01:34:44,970 --> 01:34:46,850
Applicant is 500 feet of Washington on the scene.

1231
01:34:47,490 --> 01:34:48,610
Representative Westy, we're going to sit here.

1232
01:34:48,670 --> 01:34:48,910
I expect.

1233
01:34:49,390 --> 01:34:52,270
And finally, in March 28th, we are on the move from 6th dash.

1234
01:34:52,390 --> 01:34:53,550
The here is here in 2-9-1.

1235
01:34:53,930 --> 01:34:55,030
What is the current picture of the project?

1236
01:34:55,230 --> 01:34:55,770
What is the resolution?

1237
01:34:55,770 --> 01:34:56,770
The capital is 25 feet.

1238
01:34:56,910 --> 01:34:57,750
We're going to Washington Street.

1239
01:34:57,870 --> 01:34:59,790
Applicant is 500 feet of Washington on the scene.

1240
01:35:01,070 --> 01:35:29,870
And I should have been asked if they are not going to be able to accelerate these all of these together. I'm sure. Thank you. So the proposal for work is to demolish portions of the rear of the structure and the roof of the building for the construction of a new and different. It's also to construct an addition on the third floor to the existing building and the three for addition to the rear of the existing building on the H2 of the report.

1241
01:35:29,870 --> 01:35:32,790
you'll see the site context for this project is a former

1242
01:35:33,310 --> 01:35:37,150
corner parcel, notes of the duplex originally in 1926.

1243
01:35:37,750 --> 01:35:40,430
All three sides of the building are visible from the public

1244
01:35:40,430 --> 01:35:41,110
right away.

1245
01:35:41,650 --> 01:35:47,530
Pages before and before I show some renderings.

1246
01:35:48,870 --> 01:35:53,910
And then page 6 also draws attention to the design standards

1247
01:35:54,410 --> 01:35:57,630
from both O'Han and Washington Street,

1248
01:35:57,630 --> 01:36:02,670
their two separate standards. Together, I'll just read some of them that say,

1249
01:36:02,910 --> 01:36:07,650
addition should remain subordinate to the historic structure. New work should be compatible,

1250
01:36:08,050 --> 01:36:14,330
but distinguishable. Material should be complement, the primary building. In general,

1251
01:36:14,630 --> 01:36:19,210
the group board should reflect the group board to express along the block face. And lastly,

1252
01:36:19,410 --> 01:36:25,450
the design of the addition of the and to the existing building shall be complementary to the

1253
01:36:25,450 --> 01:36:27,630
the sort of buildings found on Washington Street.

1254
01:36:28,130 --> 01:36:29,550
Hey, should I have another forum has

1255
01:36:29,550 --> 01:36:30,390
in the staff recommendation.

1256
01:36:32,230 --> 01:36:33,110
Thank you.

1257
01:36:34,090 --> 01:36:36,070
Would you like to introduce?

1258
01:36:36,250 --> 01:36:36,630
Sure, real quick.

1259
01:36:36,790 --> 01:36:41,090
Stephen Plansky, one or four more of the West Street.

1260
01:36:41,230 --> 01:36:42,210
I just like hearing Bill say,

1261
01:36:42,850 --> 01:36:44,890
my name being eight or 10, I'm saying.

1262
01:36:46,050 --> 01:36:47,490
Actually, the whole reason why I'd be here.

1263
01:36:48,950 --> 01:36:52,590
Just, just, we're, my clients are taking the building

1264
01:36:52,590 --> 01:36:55,790
and it's currently used as commercial offices.

1265
01:36:56,550 --> 01:36:57,750
And I'm going to try to convert back

1266
01:36:57,750 --> 01:37:00,270
to the two original residences that it was.

1267
01:37:00,910 --> 01:37:03,090
And in doing so, we're keeping everything,

1268
01:37:03,550 --> 01:37:04,730
as carefully as possible,

1269
01:37:05,010 --> 01:37:06,030
the long Washington Street,

1270
01:37:06,170 --> 01:37:08,730
to respect the Washington Street design guidelines.

1271
01:37:08,950 --> 01:37:11,070
And we did everything for the deferential

1272
01:37:11,070 --> 01:37:13,690
to the original building and the Washington Street

1273
01:37:13,690 --> 01:37:14,450
in our design.

1274
01:37:15,050 --> 01:37:16,630
It steps down in the back.

1275
01:37:17,850 --> 01:37:19,150
You can see it.

1276
01:37:19,150 --> 01:37:27,910
I think the report, the staff report, very nicely presented all that and my confidence

1277
01:37:27,910 --> 01:37:33,070
to whoever came up with a new staff report format because it really is an improvement.

1278
01:37:33,630 --> 01:37:37,790
All staff reports you find, but this really helps you look at six.

1279
01:37:38,110 --> 01:37:40,070
So I'm here to answer any questions.

1280
01:37:41,550 --> 01:37:47,130
Thank you. Do any member or member questions for the end again?

1281
01:37:49,970 --> 01:37:53,930
Any public members who would like to speak on this application?

1282
01:37:57,040 --> 01:38:01,860
We'll close the public portion and open to deliberation.

1283
01:38:04,040 --> 01:38:05,240
Ms. Grant, we'd like to.

1284
01:38:08,520 --> 01:38:14,160
I think this is a nicely expressed building. I've been curious to know which we're going

1285
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:19,780
to do since we approved the demolition of the garage behind. So I'd like to see this come

1286
01:38:19,780 --> 01:38:26,480
to light. And I think the the terracing and the stepping down and the variation of materials

1287
01:38:26,480 --> 01:38:34,640
is very attractive. I have one concern and it's the chimneys. My first concern about the chimneys

1288
01:38:34,640 --> 01:38:39,960
was that they're not in the same spot, but I recognize after driving by that they're not in

1289
01:38:39,960 --> 01:38:44,480
the same spot in the original building, which is a little weird, but it is, it is an asymmetrical front.

1290
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:51,240
But clearly, and I assume this is because of the cold, the chimneys had to be raised,

1291
01:38:52,100 --> 01:38:58,280
and they feel very prominent to me now as these sort of silos that have met, because previously

1292
01:38:58,280 --> 01:39:02,840
they were connected to the building, and now they're just sort of shooting up in the air without

1293
01:39:02,840 --> 01:39:10,240
kind of any connection to the actual building and I don't have that answer but I would love to see

1294
01:39:10,240 --> 01:39:16,140
a different solution. The different solutions to remove the chimney sets the only way to do it

1295
01:39:16,140 --> 01:39:21,120
and still have functioning. And is that because you want them to be wood-burning?

1296
01:39:22,520 --> 01:39:30,040
Does it have to be invented that way if it's a gas? It really comes down to, comes down to the

1297
01:39:30,040 --> 01:39:39,260
manufacture specifications, and if it's an open gas thing, it needs full chilly and full

1298
01:39:40,140 --> 01:39:47,380
clearance to feed above anything within 10 feet, but if it's a sealant, then if you can

1299
01:39:47,380 --> 01:39:54,240
give it a bit, you can do different things. I could bring an event out to side, but I think that

1300
01:39:54,240 --> 01:39:59,580
would be significantly worse than raising these chillies up the three or four feet that they're

1301
01:39:59,580 --> 01:39:59,960
You're going to be able to do it.

1302
01:40:01,710 --> 01:40:07,570
I mean, I like the prominence of a chimney, so I'm not at odds with it,

1303
01:40:10,820 --> 01:40:18,660
but there is no good, easy solution to just a lot of them. Thank you. Thank you.

1304
01:40:23,000 --> 01:40:30,560
I agree with the chimney solution, but I also understand the concern, I guess, typically

1305
01:40:31,020 --> 01:40:35,920
in Alexandria, we do have a mystery of having nicely designed chimney, and maybe there's

1306
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:39,960
a little more design aesthetic applied to the chimney, and there'd be some nice brick

1307
01:40:39,960 --> 01:40:46,260
work for some decorative brick elements that make it feel like it's a statement, and not

1308
01:40:46,260 --> 01:40:51,340
just a functional chimney stack on the sides as a possible option.

1309
01:40:52,480 --> 01:40:56,920
We could embellish the top of the building where we weren't going to do anything below.

1310
01:40:57,420 --> 01:41:01,620
Yeah, I mean, typically when I think of the nice relic them,

1311
01:41:01,760 --> 01:41:06,840
shillings, they were like near the top or maybe a few feet down that they're actually...

1312
01:41:06,840 --> 01:41:15,380
Oh, we'd be glad to consider, you know, with staff approval and kind of a more articulated top

1313
01:41:15,380 --> 01:41:19,780
That's a chimney. Yeah, I hope that's really helped me become more of what I

1314
01:41:20,480 --> 01:41:25,700
What we come to love about some of the Alexander chimney. They are actually state new pieces of the house

1315
01:41:26,740 --> 01:41:32,760
Other than I think the design is a good. I was in a great design. I really appreciate the way it steps back

1316
01:41:32,760 --> 01:41:38,180
And then steps down as it goes further to the rear and not doesn't really impose itself on washed

1317
01:41:45,620 --> 01:41:53,880
Okay, I think you've done a wonderful job and I'm very excited to see that this has been converted back to residences.

1318
01:41:54,960 --> 01:42:04,540
And I've been asking myself why we don't see more of this in the city about Alexandria because we have vacant commercial spaces.

1319
01:42:05,180 --> 01:42:11,340
And we have a national need for more housing and so rather than building new housing,

1320
01:42:11,540 --> 01:42:16,080
a lot of care and on Sandra, it would be great to see more of this happening.

1321
01:42:16,340 --> 01:42:21,500
Conversions from empty office or less than full office residential.

1322
01:42:22,220 --> 01:42:24,780
So I like that. All right, that's totally off the point.

1323
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:28,220
But I'm pleased with the nature of the project.

1324
01:42:29,020 --> 01:42:35,500
But from picture page 5 and your 4 to me, it looks like the chin needs are the same height.

1325
01:42:40,230 --> 01:42:43,330
It's important. It's not the height. Yeah.

1326
01:42:44,430 --> 01:42:47,090
The heights do match the location on the side of the patient.

1327
01:42:47,630 --> 01:42:50,050
Or they're not going to raise it the height of the chin.

1328
01:42:50,750 --> 01:42:51,770
But those are being raised.

1329
01:42:52,330 --> 01:42:54,310
They're currently the same height and they will be raised.

1330
01:42:54,430 --> 01:42:55,770
Same height, but just on the other side.

1331
01:42:56,650 --> 01:42:58,470
Once farther back on the elevation.

1332
01:42:58,470 --> 01:43:04,450
I see. Was that your friend's turn? My concern was the height. Is that the only change you're

1333
01:43:04,450 --> 01:43:09,630
making for the Chinese? Is that the only change you're making for the Chinese? Just the height?

1334
01:43:09,970 --> 01:43:13,190
Yes. Oh yeah, that's your concern for both chimneys.

1335
01:43:13,490 --> 01:43:17,370
Yeah, I got it. They're not placed symmetrically on the side of the building.

1336
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:23,570
Right. But that's just the fact of the chimneys as they exist today. But since they've been raised

1337
01:43:23,570 --> 01:43:28,590
to clear the top roof line, they're really standing out to me.

1338
01:43:29,090 --> 01:43:31,310
All right.

1339
01:43:33,170 --> 01:43:37,250
This also reminds me of a building in the 200 block of South Fairfax Street.

1340
01:43:37,690 --> 01:43:41,370
They have a thing that we just approved before you, the propobios.

1341
01:43:41,790 --> 01:43:44,050
So this is right next door to them.

1342
01:43:44,230 --> 01:43:44,930
And it's two.

1343
01:43:45,590 --> 01:43:46,690
And the sister has this.

1344
01:43:46,830 --> 01:43:48,030
Maybe it'll be next door to them.

1345
01:43:48,490 --> 01:43:50,450
Sister reminds me of very much of that.

1346
01:43:50,450 --> 01:43:54,210
And that for my ramblings, I would like to work with us.

1347
01:43:57,520 --> 01:43:59,800
Thank you. I think it's a great design.

1348
01:44:00,080 --> 01:44:03,740
And the stepping back, I appreciate that.

1349
01:44:04,860 --> 01:44:06,280
And the change in material.

1350
01:44:07,400 --> 01:44:11,320
I really do appreciate that you are keeping the original chimney.

1351
01:44:11,620 --> 01:44:15,880
It's really important to the history of the building and wood burning, especially.

1352
01:44:16,240 --> 01:44:17,180
I think it's great.

1353
01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:22,700
I agree that maybe it would be a little bit more ornate.

1354
01:44:23,420 --> 01:44:25,760
Pretty well, it would be nice, but I don't know.

1355
01:44:25,980 --> 01:44:26,480
That's all good.

1356
01:44:26,680 --> 01:44:28,000
Love, we love that.

1357
01:44:28,320 --> 01:44:29,020
I'll continue to dig in.

1358
01:44:29,740 --> 01:44:30,640
It's my client.

1359
01:44:33,640 --> 01:44:34,080
So.

1360
01:44:35,740 --> 01:44:36,820
Should we make anything?

1361
01:44:37,460 --> 01:44:38,420
I'll make a motion here.

1362
01:44:39,160 --> 01:44:42,420
Make a motion to approve what they can do both the one time.

1363
01:44:42,480 --> 01:44:43,040
Let's talk here.

1364
01:44:43,160 --> 01:44:44,380
So let's make that.

1365
01:44:44,380 --> 01:44:48,300
I do need two separate votes. So let's call this one for 17 and a team.

1366
01:44:49,300 --> 01:44:53,080
Make a motion to approve 17 and 18 for staff recommendations.

1367
01:44:54,600 --> 01:44:57,920
You want to include the voting workers stat on the

1368
01:45:11,780 --> 01:45:17,240
I was looking at one one was for demolition of everything.

1369
01:45:19,500 --> 01:45:24,060
Yes, I see. Well, now that I read, I'm not reading the words that are on the page.

1370
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:35,400
Yes, I make a mention for the first staff recommendations and that they work with staff to enhance the chimney brick work.

1371
01:45:35,880 --> 01:45:36,240
Thank you.

1372
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:37,560
Second.

1373
01:45:40,820 --> 01:45:41,620
Yes.

1374
01:45:41,620 --> 01:45:41,760
Yes.

1375
01:45:42,080 --> 01:45:45,580
And this is

1376
01:45:47,200 --> 01:45:48,000
Hi.

1377
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:49,840
Hi.

1378
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:51,280
Hi.

1379
01:45:52,680 --> 01:45:53,820
That's 1718.

1380
01:45:53,840 --> 01:45:54,360
That's 500.

1381
01:45:55,240 --> 01:45:55,640
1920.

1382
01:45:56,220 --> 01:45:59,600
Make a motion to approve first that recommendations and that the

1383
01:46:00,460 --> 01:46:05,640
architect works with staff to enhance the upper part of the chimney brick work.

1384
01:46:07,280 --> 01:46:08,440
Same motion.

1385
01:46:08,440 --> 01:46:16,100
I'm sorry I could not have seen.

1386
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:16,900
I'm sorry.

1387
01:46:17,880 --> 01:46:18,680
Sorry.

1388
01:46:19,460 --> 01:46:20,480
Please.

1389
01:46:31,630 --> 01:46:34,430
Thank you.

1390
01:46:35,050 --> 01:46:35,570
Thank you.

1391
01:46:35,670 --> 01:46:35,890
Congratulations.

1392
01:46:36,550 --> 01:46:36,970
Thank you all.

1393
01:46:37,170 --> 01:46:37,270
Thank you.

1394
01:46:37,690 --> 01:46:38,090
Thank you.

1395
01:46:39,590 --> 01:46:41,010
I'll say it any more time.

1396
01:46:41,250 --> 01:46:41,530
There's one.

1397
01:46:47,200 --> 01:46:47,900
We're getting it.

1398
01:46:48,040 --> 01:46:48,200
Okay.

1399
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:49,580
All right.

1400
01:46:49,640 --> 01:46:50,620
Item item is.

1401
01:46:50,820 --> 01:46:51,680
I don't know which one to you.

1402
01:46:54,230 --> 01:46:55,030
This is.

1403
01:46:55,270 --> 01:46:55,590
It's.

1404
01:46:55,590 --> 01:46:55,850
It's.

1405
01:46:55,850 --> 01:46:56,150
It's.

1406
01:46:56,330 --> 01:46:56,450
It's.

1407
01:46:56,510 --> 01:46:56,910
It's.

1408
01:46:56,990 --> 01:46:57,030
It's.

1409
01:46:57,350 --> 01:46:57,750
It's.

1410
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:57,890
It's.

1411
01:46:57,890 --> 01:46:58,250
It's.

1412
01:46:58,450 --> 01:46:58,850
It's.

1413
01:46:59,870 --> 01:46:59,970
It's.

1414
01:47:04,450 --> 01:47:04,850
It's.

1415
01:47:10,980 --> 01:47:11,380
It's.

1416
01:47:11,380 --> 01:47:12,740
to install, read, bail,

1417
01:47:13,140 --> 01:47:15,300
alternative wall signs on the West,

1418
01:47:15,500 --> 01:47:17,100
North and South elevations.

1419
01:47:17,460 --> 01:47:19,600
On page two of the report,

1420
01:47:19,900 --> 01:47:21,620
you'll see the site contacts for this project.

1421
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:23,500
It's a seven-story office building

1422
01:47:23,500 --> 01:47:25,920
surrounded by commercial and residential buildings.

1423
01:47:26,580 --> 01:47:28,200
The proposed signs will be visible

1424
01:47:28,200 --> 01:47:29,620
from North Washington Street,

1425
01:47:29,960 --> 01:47:31,300
First Street, Montgomery Street,

1426
01:47:31,540 --> 01:47:33,340
and North St. Assof Street.

1427
01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:36,980
Page three of the report shows the placement

1428
01:47:36,980 --> 01:47:38,580
of the proposed signs here.

1429
01:47:39,500 --> 01:47:43,340
page 3 also draws attention to the design standards, which include.

1430
01:47:44,660 --> 01:47:50,180
Signed lettering should be appropriately scaled to the side of the sign and optimized for pedestrian viewing.

1431
01:47:50,820 --> 01:47:54,300
Signed should be attached to the manner that causes the least damage to the billed immaterial.

1432
01:47:54,960 --> 01:48:00,340
The board discourages internally illuminated the illicit backlit and neon style sign,

1433
01:48:00,620 --> 01:48:06,840
and where signs have lighted, the illumination should be adjustable with the final level determined in the field by staff.

1434
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:10,640
and the color of the light should be warmer rather than white or slash

1435
01:48:10,640 --> 01:48:14,380
cooler. Page 4 of the report has the H&E staff recommendation.

1436
01:48:15,720 --> 01:48:20,080
Thank you. May you please say your name and address again.

1437
01:48:20,500 --> 01:48:28,740
John Montelbus, Virginia representing the Eleanor Lieutenant and everybody else

1438
01:48:28,740 --> 01:48:32,800
associated with the sign. Would you like to thank you for the presentation or just

1439
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:37,600
Yes. Well, I mean, again, so this is a little bit different than the last time you saw me.

1440
01:48:38,280 --> 01:48:43,340
This is a commercial, and this is on North Washington Street. This is a commercial building.

1441
01:48:44,120 --> 01:48:51,060
I do understand that there are some residences around, but this building towers, this is kind

1442
01:48:51,060 --> 01:48:57,320
of the tallest building in the area. So when you come down, you know, from National Airport,

1443
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:01,640
this is, you start to get into town, this is one of the first buildings that you see on your left.

1444
01:49:01,640 --> 01:49:08,200
So we agree with everything in the staff record except one thing.

1445
01:49:09,440 --> 01:49:21,900
And you're probably going to be guessing that the 3,000 Kelvin elimination, you know, that is really not appropriate for this type of sign.

1446
01:49:24,240 --> 01:49:28,260
That's really, it's a yellow. It's not white.

1447
01:49:28,260 --> 01:49:35,820
I understand that the LED calvans run from 3,000 to 7,500 and if you get to 7,000 to 7,500,

1448
01:49:36,060 --> 01:49:41,300
they are bright, stark white, but I don't think it's appropriate that, you know,

1449
01:49:41,320 --> 01:49:47,360
when you look at the information on LEDs and calvans, it's 3,300 to 3,500.

1450
01:49:47,780 --> 01:49:54,200
They talk about that being indoor type of soft lighting for offices for smaller areas.

1451
01:49:54,200 --> 01:49:59,380
So I'm hoping that you guys will consider allowing

1452
01:50:00,370 --> 01:50:09,170
Something a little bit more that's white. I mean, my client has a, you know, their colors are red, right, and blue. They don't want to sign this red yellow and blue.

1453
01:50:11,850 --> 01:50:31,410
So. And. I mean, questions from this. As I'm board members. I have a question. I just want to clarify, this is currently an illuminated and in there. Yes, there are. Yes, there are. We're replacing that location. Or the exact same location. Almost.

1454
01:50:31,410 --> 01:50:38,410
most. There are on the front where you see Alpha and photo one above there, there's something

1455
01:50:38,410 --> 01:50:44,530
says five star. They are like the owners of the building. That goes away and a new Alpha

1456
01:50:44,530 --> 01:50:51,090
sign goes. You're adding a sign around, I think it's photo three of the south elevation.

1457
01:50:51,550 --> 01:50:56,350
That's a brand new sign. There's no sign there on that elevation right now. But that elevation

1458
01:50:56,350 --> 01:51:02,090
faces the river and when flames come in I think they want that kind of look

1459
01:51:02,090 --> 01:51:05,410
if that's people going to look over and they're going to see the after sign

1460
01:51:05,410 --> 01:51:11,610
why I don't know but I think that they know they want their name for that the

1461
01:51:11,610 --> 01:51:15,030
point number one if you said that it's going to move on there it is to

1462
01:51:15,030 --> 01:51:19,470
bummer there's already a sign right now this is after there's two signs on that

1463
01:51:19,470 --> 01:51:24,790
elevation right now above it in that river where the cursor is says five star

1464
01:51:26,750 --> 01:51:27,890
They're all illuminated.

1465
01:51:28,310 --> 01:51:29,590
They're all illuminated.

1466
01:51:29,830 --> 01:51:30,110
They're all illuminated.

1467
01:51:30,110 --> 01:51:31,870
Whether they're working right now, I don't know.

1468
01:51:32,090 --> 01:51:33,510
But they're all illuminated.

1469
01:51:33,510 --> 01:51:34,670
And that's not pretty.

1470
01:51:34,970 --> 01:51:35,270
Okay.

1471
01:51:35,910 --> 01:51:39,130
So, the new ones will.

1472
01:51:39,830 --> 01:51:41,730
Yes, but they are all supposedly.

1473
01:51:42,230 --> 01:51:43,990
I mean, if you go up there, you can see the one.

1474
01:51:44,510 --> 01:51:45,970
Just want them to be illuminated.

1475
01:51:47,310 --> 01:51:47,890
I hate.

1476
01:51:48,010 --> 01:51:48,630
Not them to be.

1477
01:51:48,910 --> 01:51:49,610
Halo illuminated.

1478
01:51:50,350 --> 01:51:50,790
Which.

1479
01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:58,470
is appropriate and not frontlit, and so it's still the soft office type of look versus

1480
01:51:58,470 --> 01:52:01,970
a retail, you know, that start retail look that you get.

1481
01:52:02,610 --> 01:52:06,890
They are eliminated now, or they're supposed to be eliminated now, so at one point they

1482
01:52:06,890 --> 01:52:08,150
were approved to be eliminated.

1483
01:52:09,990 --> 01:52:15,910
So we'd like that, but we'd like you to consider instead of that 3,000 Kelvin restriction

1484
01:52:15,910 --> 01:52:24,090
to let us do something that's 5,000 kelvin is considered white, considered daylight white.

1485
01:52:25,950 --> 01:52:30,810
And we would like something that's white. So when you look at it in the evening,

1486
01:52:31,450 --> 01:52:35,050
there's a white halo around it and not a yellow of brownish or dull.

1487
01:52:35,570 --> 01:52:37,410
Thank you. But we don't want to know.

1488
01:52:38,130 --> 01:52:42,950
But this is really, I mean, this is not, I mean, I understand that it's technically old.

1489
01:52:42,950 --> 01:52:46,870
but I mean, again, this is the seven-story office building.

1490
01:52:48,730 --> 01:52:50,930
And if you're gonna put it on this building,

1491
01:52:51,150 --> 01:52:52,250
a brick office building,

1492
01:52:52,650 --> 01:52:54,110
I mean, you've got to allow,

1493
01:52:55,110 --> 01:52:57,910
I hope that you consider allowing the tenants

1494
01:52:57,910 --> 01:52:59,690
to have an appropriate sign.

1495
01:53:00,610 --> 01:53:02,190
The tenants are the owners.

1496
01:53:02,270 --> 01:53:04,210
Well, the owner, yes, the owner,

1497
01:53:04,530 --> 01:53:06,150
and the tenant is after the tenant.

1498
01:53:06,490 --> 01:53:07,010
Oh, is it?

1499
01:53:07,290 --> 01:53:08,810
So I have a question for Mr. Colton.

1500
01:53:08,970 --> 01:53:09,110
Yes.

1501
01:53:09,110 --> 01:53:11,030
Yes, so

1502
01:53:13,720 --> 01:53:20,960
when we just need, this is just me talking off my head, when we do our guidelines,

1503
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:27,820
I think most of the time when I think of our guidelines, I'm typically not, not depending

1504
01:53:27,820 --> 01:53:29,260
your stance, just to put that out from.

1505
01:53:31,040 --> 01:53:37,320
I typically think of walking down to the street and seeing small residential, not residential,

1506
01:53:37,460 --> 01:53:40,760
but smaller buildings kind of with street levels.

1507
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:46,380
three-level where you typically would want something that's kind of a soft glove, right?

1508
01:53:46,720 --> 01:53:48,140
I mean, that's kind of how I think of our signings.

1509
01:53:48,160 --> 01:53:50,560
Yeah, I mean, the vast majority of the signs that we see.

1510
01:53:51,080 --> 01:53:55,340
Right. Warsies on the status quo is administratively vast majority of our string-level

1511
01:53:55,340 --> 01:53:56,440
reticents. Right.

1512
01:53:57,180 --> 01:54:04,620
And the college temperature that we control as a representation has been based on that as the

1513
01:54:04,620 --> 01:54:08,680
type of services, I guess, then yes, that is the vast majority of them.

1514
01:54:14,410 --> 01:54:21,250
thing that I have my concern is that we go pull more with this light fixture

1515
01:54:22,490 --> 01:54:26,290
that it would be too strong even though it's seven stories up.

1516
01:54:28,190 --> 01:54:34,730
So I had nothing to really judge this offer. I might have re-reviewed that that 3000

1517
01:54:34,730 --> 01:54:41,590
calories might be too low, but I'm not sure if going five plus is the light actually either.

1518
01:54:41,590 --> 01:54:49,350
Is the halo light and temperature adjustable when it's installed or do you install it at a particular temperature?

1519
01:54:51,910 --> 01:54:53,970
It can be adjusted.

1520
01:54:54,770 --> 01:54:59,030
It can be you can get them to read there or they're adjusted adjustable.

1521
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:29,800
We can do that. But usually you determine how bright you want it, and that's what you get for your LEDs, because they make 3,000, 3,500, 4,000, 5,000, 6,500, 7,500. So, when there's no restrictions, we're always going to put in 7,000 or 7,500, because people want, wow, you know, they look at it as my sign is bright and everything. But trying to be sensitive to your guys, local governments, we thought

1522
01:55:29,800 --> 01:55:38,540
But, I mean, 5,000, like I said, it's considered daylight and is, I think, a fair compromise

1523
01:55:38,540 --> 01:55:47,640
between a really stark, bright 7,000, you know, K versus a very yellow E3,000, 3500K.

1524
01:55:48,260 --> 01:55:53,940
So we just want it to be white versus, you know, yellow.

1525
01:55:53,940 --> 01:56:04,080
And I looked up and it was light LED light expert dot com and they talked about the different

1526
01:56:04,080 --> 01:56:10,240
kelvins and you know 3000 K produces a warm calm inviting light that is greater general

1527
01:56:10,240 --> 01:56:11,160
indoor lighting.

1528
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:21,440
You know, 4,660,500 is Chris pure white light 5000 which is really what we're asking is

1529
01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:23,480
daylight and white use for outdoor lighting.

1530
01:56:23,480 --> 01:56:30,520
that's what it says in there. Can't you go in 45. Chris what do I know and I'm saying it's still

1531
01:56:30,520 --> 01:56:36,720
I still much higher up on the buildings so it's not like and one of one of them on the north side is

1532
01:56:36,720 --> 01:56:44,600
directly facing residential buildings but this is the north side is that it's the first three

1533
01:56:48,160 --> 01:56:55,240
The apartment building, the one that's like the apartment building or whatever, but it will be higher than the apartment building.

1534
01:56:55,560 --> 01:57:03,160
So it's Halo eliminated. So it's not as if it's going to be shooting any time to clear into anybody's windows or anybody's.

1535
01:57:03,160 --> 01:57:06,920
and you know, right now, we're finding its way.

1536
01:57:07,420 --> 01:57:10,000
I'm sure, but again, being halo eliminated.

1537
01:57:10,520 --> 01:57:13,020
Yeah, I understand what you're saying, versus,

1538
01:57:13,380 --> 01:57:15,960
you know, if it was frontlit sign,

1539
01:57:16,180 --> 01:57:18,920
where it was a letter that would be much more starting

1540
01:57:19,480 --> 01:57:20,620
than as the same question,

1541
01:57:20,780 --> 01:57:21,880
can't you order it with a range?

1542
01:57:22,360 --> 01:57:26,360
I agree that 33,000 houses probably too low

1543
01:57:26,360 --> 01:57:27,860
for this application.

1544
01:57:28,180 --> 01:57:30,560
I'm not gonna say that that's not true.

1545
01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:36,860
maybe even 35,000, I could give a little $1,000 or $1,000 to $6,000.

1546
01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:39,840
I would even say $6,000, but you get it with a range.

1547
01:57:40,240 --> 01:57:41,940
I think we're happy with $5,000.

1548
01:57:42,060 --> 01:57:46,880
I'm happy to work $5,000, Kelvin, LAD modules, I could have been in there,

1549
01:57:47,080 --> 01:57:50,920
and again, it would not be something that range between $4,000 and $5.

1550
01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:55,740
I mean, she said they're adjusted, so can they adjust between those two ranges?

1551
01:58:00,890 --> 01:58:04,830
I'm not sure how I'm going to be honest with you, I'm not an expert, I just install.

1552
01:58:05,410 --> 01:58:11,150
So I do know that you can put them on like a dimmer and that type of stuff.

1553
01:58:11,390 --> 01:58:16,390
So we could, I mean, we could look into what I said when I, like, don't let it be, I don't

1554
01:58:16,390 --> 01:58:22,350
want to see anybody up with Jordan, but I would like to see is that if we improve something

1555
01:58:22,810 --> 01:58:27,270
and start to go out and look at it and give the final

1556
01:58:27,270 --> 01:58:28,610
approval and a lot of it.

1557
01:58:28,610 --> 01:58:29,790
Stop what have to do with me.

1558
01:58:30,550 --> 01:58:33,210
Yeah, so because you want to be a specific,

1559
01:58:33,210 --> 01:58:35,190
you want to be a part of that and you need me.

1560
01:58:35,410 --> 01:58:36,550
So it's going to be static ourselves.

1561
01:58:39,190 --> 01:58:41,870
So you would be willing to approve something.

1562
01:58:42,110 --> 01:58:45,770
So basically, if I got it done, we were able to dim this.

1563
01:58:46,890 --> 01:58:48,890
It would be something that would be then else.

1564
01:58:51,090 --> 01:58:54,970
I could probably, I mean, I just need to figure out before I say, oh, yeah, I don't want

1565
01:58:54,970 --> 01:58:58,410
to agree to something and then they tell me you can't do that.

1566
01:58:58,650 --> 01:58:59,090
You want to defer?

1567
01:59:00,250 --> 01:59:05,950
I really don't want to do it, I mean, I like your proposal and I don't see a problem

1568
01:59:05,950 --> 01:59:06,310
with that.

1569
01:59:06,450 --> 01:59:11,490
I just, somehow I need to protect myself because we do, we're going to give you the range.

1570
01:59:12,810 --> 01:59:14,210
So, do you mind if I say something?

1571
01:59:14,510 --> 01:59:14,650
Sure.

1572
01:59:14,990 --> 01:59:15,150
Okay.

1573
01:59:17,710 --> 01:59:22,790
I have some concerns about it. I first want to understand the, did you say the five-star

1574
01:59:23,390 --> 01:59:28,870
light sign is coming off the building? Correct, yes. That's an improvement. Thank you.

1575
01:59:29,530 --> 01:59:37,810
Okay. This is a gateway into a hotel. Correct. We talked about gateway being 335 South Royal,

1576
01:59:38,070 --> 01:59:42,250
sorry, I think it's North Royal Street earlier this evening. Oh, we're going to surprise,

1577
01:59:42,250 --> 01:59:47,770
I was fried out in childhood to gateway, but anyway, this is truly gateway and that Alexander

1578
01:59:47,770 --> 01:59:55,410
you're coming from the airport down to Parkway and that Christophe star has driven me crazy

1579
01:59:55,410 --> 01:59:56,250
for 40 years.

1580
01:59:56,970 --> 01:59:59,970
So I'm really glad it's coming down, but I am.

1581
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,280
I think it's concerned about the lighting of it. When I go up and down to the street, now this is outside of the historic district, but the Motley pool and another business called five guys, they've got big illuminated signs, and they definitely, I can't tell you if it's Saltalo or what the coven are on their signs, but it really stands out. And so, and that's allowed in other parts of the city of Alexandria.

1582
02:00:29,280 --> 02:00:41,400
I'm not so much an old dad, so I'm hesitant here to go with what you're asking for because I think this is an opportunity to die down.

1583
02:00:41,720 --> 02:00:45,720
What would have been less than attractive for a very long time?

1584
02:00:49,360 --> 02:01:00,880
But I believe that if you dial down the kelvins and make it try to make it a yellow light that's not going to look as nice as if it was a softer white light around the letters.

1585
02:01:00,880 --> 02:01:04,960
Well, then that's another comment that you made, and I do want to talk with you about it.

1586
02:01:04,980 --> 02:01:11,760
I'm not trying to say, you know, my words a lot, but we have a CVS sign on King Street that

1587
02:01:11,760 --> 02:01:18,840
is as we talked about smaller commercial and diminutive prepared to this, but that CVS sign

1588
02:01:18,840 --> 02:01:21,680
is supposed to be below, so that's how it goes, right?

1589
02:01:22,120 --> 02:01:25,180
Oh, I don't even think I think that there was supposed to be a lot to say.

1590
02:01:25,400 --> 02:01:27,560
Well, I don't know, but it is supposed to be.

1591
02:01:27,560 --> 02:01:41,200
And you went around and around on that and sitting in, you know, it's supposed to, you're supposed to go to check it if there's any questions about it and whether it's been installed or what will be approved.

1592
02:01:42,440 --> 02:01:44,380
But that's my question.

1593
02:01:45,060 --> 02:01:45,900
Is it the same?

1594
02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:49,440
Is it the light, is the face light up to the letters lighter?

1595
02:01:49,680 --> 02:01:51,100
It is halo.

1596
02:01:51,620 --> 02:02:00,180
What I'm looking for is it's white, it's not yellow and not I can't speak for them but I

1597
02:02:00,180 --> 02:02:03,000
would say that they did not use 30 times.

1598
02:02:04,140 --> 02:02:10,320
I don't think that you just, I mean you can't change it is what it is, 3500, 3500, 3000

1599
02:02:10,320 --> 02:02:19,140
kelvin's, it's yellow, I mean I wish they have a chart that kind of shows you, you know,

1600
02:02:19,140 --> 02:02:23,020
gives you little light bulbs and tells you what it is. And you can see you know it goes up from

1601
02:02:23,020 --> 02:02:28,480
from yellow and then a little bit plus yellow and then just a hint of yellow and then yeah yeah

1602
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:33,660
so so there you go. I mean you're seeing stuff like that so that's why I can't tell you what they

1603
02:02:33,660 --> 02:02:38,600
put in there and there's something I can't speak to to what we want to do but we want to do some

1604
02:02:38,600 --> 02:02:44,600
of it in the middle which is not which is the first where it's primarily white versus having a yellow

1605
02:02:46,400 --> 02:02:51,780
I don't think that's, I mean, again, this is also, you know, you're speaking of signs,

1606
02:02:52,780 --> 02:02:58,700
which I agree with you, James, that on King Street, the pedestrian level, that's a little

1607
02:02:58,700 --> 02:02:59,160
bit different.

1608
02:02:59,600 --> 02:03:04,160
But this is an office building these signs, as you can see, are six, seven stories up

1609
02:03:04,160 --> 02:03:04,540
in the air.

1610
02:03:05,160 --> 02:03:08,220
You're very eye catching coming down the board, but I will say that.

1611
02:03:08,660 --> 02:03:14,440
Are you planning to, in this picture that I'm at, which may not be adequate, the letters

1612
02:03:14,440 --> 02:03:16,460
There's more of a darker blue to make.

1613
02:03:17,240 --> 02:03:18,900
Where is the light going to be?

1614
02:03:19,220 --> 02:03:21,080
It's going to be dwelling behind the blue.

1615
02:03:21,460 --> 02:03:21,660
Yes.

1616
02:03:23,540 --> 02:03:24,100
Okay.

1617
02:03:29,360 --> 02:03:31,060
It was just a minute.

1618
02:03:31,280 --> 02:03:31,820
Yes.

1619
02:03:34,360 --> 02:03:35,140
We have.

1620
02:03:36,980 --> 02:03:37,540
Sorry.

1621
02:03:38,520 --> 02:03:40,340
Well, I'm hoping to hold you up.

1622
02:03:45,680 --> 02:03:48,500
So again, that's done with probably light.

1623
02:03:48,500 --> 02:03:57,320
it was higher than 5,000. That's pretty good. So what in please say to work with the staff to

1624
02:03:58,340 --> 02:04:04,480
something between 45, like we usually don't have this, but I think it's higher and it's

1625
02:04:04,480 --> 02:04:14,900
a bit commercial, more of a partial zone, maybe something between 3,000 to 45,000. Yeah, 3,000 to 4,000

1626
02:04:14,900 --> 02:04:22,280
like me good. Four thousand is still going to be yellow. Forty-five hundred still has a hint of yellow.

1627
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:29,440
I really wish you would let us try five thousand with you know I guess the caveat that I mean

1628
02:04:29,440 --> 02:04:34,500
I'm pretty sure you guys don't have a problem with it but I would certainly if you could put in

1629
02:04:34,500 --> 02:04:39,880
there that you know you have I don't know how you work it I mean say you know whatever you said

1630
02:04:39,880 --> 02:04:44,400
see the yes, you know the same type of wording or something along those lines, maybe we're

1631
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:29,920
In the investigation on the site, the determine the level is correct. And if the applicant goes back and finds out they cannot be justice, then the applicant could return to the board to modify the approval. So at that point, basically, if you say, you can go back and find out that a candidate can't even go back to the board. That's fine. I went back and looked at the candidate, I'd like to modify the approval. And then that's fine. I'm pretty sure it can be dimmed. I don't want to say honorable.

1632
02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:36,660
percent of positive, but certainly we would be able to do that, but it could certainly do

1633
02:05:36,660 --> 02:05:41,760
something like that, and we would, yeah, you know, I think that's the reason we've gone for months.

1634
02:05:43,940 --> 02:06:01,210
What do you think particularly the completion of it can 3,000, 4,000 or 5,000 or 5,000 for

1635
02:06:08,790 --> 02:06:10,270
I'm on by during the day.

1636
02:06:11,470 --> 02:06:12,590
Any day you walk.

1637
02:06:13,090 --> 02:06:14,530
So yeah, that's fine.

1638
02:06:14,670 --> 02:06:15,810
We'd be happy to do that.

1639
02:06:15,910 --> 02:06:16,070
I mean,

1640
02:06:16,330 --> 02:06:18,210
the time we get to install an appointment,

1641
02:06:18,650 --> 02:06:19,070
then a winner.

1642
02:06:19,230 --> 02:06:20,230
So it'll be dark at six.

1643
02:06:20,730 --> 02:06:21,030
Something.

1644
02:06:22,310 --> 02:06:22,750
Okay.

1645
02:06:23,750 --> 02:06:23,870
Oh.

1646
02:06:24,150 --> 02:06:24,490
Are you?

1647
02:06:24,690 --> 02:06:25,190
We need to check.

1648
02:06:30,750 --> 02:06:31,190
Well,

1649
02:06:35,310 --> 02:06:45,230
for the applicant to work with the staff on a nimble payload sign if in 3000 to 5000 K and

1650
02:06:45,230 --> 02:06:51,630
for staff to check the application installation to verify if it needs to be for what level it needs

1651
02:06:51,630 --> 02:06:52,250
to begin.

1652
02:06:52,850 --> 02:06:53,630
We will do it.

1653
02:06:55,710 --> 02:06:56,670
We have a second.

1654
02:06:59,190 --> 02:06:59,570
Second?

1655
02:07:02,620 --> 02:07:03,000
Second, me.

1656
02:07:03,000 --> 02:07:03,460
I didn't mean it.

1657
02:07:03,620 --> 02:07:03,960
Yeah, I didn't mean it.

1658
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:05,700
Notice, there's a second.

1659
02:07:05,920 --> 02:07:06,360
I didn't mean it.

1660
02:07:06,460 --> 02:07:06,860
I'm not even-

1661
02:07:06,860 --> 02:07:07,820
Again, here.

1662
02:07:08,140 --> 02:07:08,380
It's no need to question.

1663
02:07:08,380 --> 02:07:09,860
And then we're getting about, like, not anything.

1664
02:07:10,220 --> 02:07:10,720
Ah, is there a second?

1665
02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:10,920
Maybe.

1666
02:07:11,120 --> 02:07:13,060
I wasn't, I didn't mean it.

1667
02:07:13,120 --> 02:07:14,020
We were all second.

1668
02:07:14,260 --> 02:07:14,780
I didn't mean it.

1669
02:07:15,100 --> 02:07:17,060
Wait, are you, are you, are you, just second yourself?

1670
02:07:17,560 --> 02:07:18,800
No, you know I didn't make the motion.

1671
02:07:18,900 --> 02:07:21,080
I just, you know I didn't make the motion.

1672
02:07:21,140 --> 02:07:22,020
Okay, let's do it.

1673
02:07:28,100 --> 02:07:28,620
Hi.

1674
02:07:29,320 --> 02:07:29,540
Hi.

1675
02:07:30,100 --> 02:07:30,200
Hi.

1676
02:07:31,940 --> 02:07:32,460
Hi.

1677
02:07:33,280 --> 02:07:33,800
Hi.

1678
02:07:35,960 --> 02:07:36,480
Sorry.

1679
02:07:39,480 --> 02:07:41,720
I'm looking at five for a long time.

1680
02:07:41,960 --> 02:07:44,660
Hi, and this may, you're going to be very happy when it's done.

1681
02:07:44,940 --> 02:07:45,620
I'm sorry.

1682
02:07:45,960 --> 02:07:49,140
This will be an improvement to have the haveler in the regional.

1683
02:07:49,140 --> 02:07:53,760
and all the innovation. Yes, all the essence. And also thank you. You were on the first

1684
02:07:53,760 --> 02:07:57,260
pace and one of the last. Yes, thank you. Thank you very much.

1685
02:07:57,260 --> 02:08:01,340
Thank you very much. Thank you very much.

1686
02:08:01,340 --> 02:08:08,540
Thanks. I appreciate it. Thank you all. All right, so what do I want to say? I mean,

1687
02:08:08,660 --> 02:08:13,020
it's very several points where this gets installed. So, do you have any contact to guys?

1688
02:08:13,340 --> 02:08:16,440
No, no, no, no. Okay, sounds good. I thank you all.

1689
02:08:16,440 --> 02:08:27,680
So, it takes some time to see if the generation, or the university will see the veterinarian

1690
02:08:27,680 --> 02:08:28,360
around the corner.

1691
02:08:28,620 --> 02:08:28,760
Right.

1692
02:08:29,460 --> 02:08:33,080
So, I know we have the same approval methods.

1693
02:08:33,420 --> 02:08:38,740
I guess my question is, what's stopping them from which I think might have happened.

1694
02:08:39,060 --> 02:08:42,360
Meanwhile, we look at it, it looks great, proven, proven.

1695
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:45,860
Well, you walk away, think that I'll be back up.

1696
02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:48,040
I mean, I think I have to, but I think that, I mean,

1697
02:08:48,140 --> 02:08:50,980
we'll do it, I mean, since you have the board has asked me

1698
02:08:50,980 --> 02:08:53,800
to check on it, I will go back and check the approval

1699
02:08:53,800 --> 02:08:55,620
of the members of that and see if it was personally

1700
02:08:55,620 --> 02:08:57,640
available, and check to see where we are in that.

1701
02:08:57,840 --> 02:08:58,860
I think that we will contact them.

1702
02:08:58,980 --> 02:09:01,120
I think we'll be able to say on the free demo board

1703
02:09:01,120 --> 02:09:03,080
and make sure that's not like, but I understand what they

1704
02:09:03,080 --> 02:09:04,420
cranked the back up as we walk.

1705
02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:08,420
I mean, that's, that's probably where it's cost-of-visioning.

1706
02:09:22,540 --> 02:09:33,520
We have two and together to consider it's also our last, so BAR 2026, there's a 306, which

1707
02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:36,920
which is the FICE for Partial Demolition and Account

1708
02:09:36,920 --> 02:09:39,280
Obsolation at one of the weekly mainstream,

1709
02:09:39,560 --> 02:09:43,580
as well as the VAR 2026-307,

1710
02:09:43,840 --> 02:09:46,900
which is the poll-teration at the same address.

1711
02:09:47,680 --> 02:09:50,140
The applicant is Keith Lawson Moore,

1712
02:09:50,520 --> 02:09:53,120
representative of the Biocare and Compea Art Protect.

1713
02:09:54,200 --> 02:09:57,800
The proposed goal before it was to demolish 76 square feet

1714
02:09:57,800 --> 02:09:59,960
of existing slave roofing, both on the floor.

1715
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:07,760
Ms. Faw, assembly, basic, and answer, as well as to add a Ruth Tarris new steering closure and a shed

1716
02:10:07,760 --> 02:10:14,380
normer to the sound-facing bandsaw group. On page 2 of the report, you'll see that the site context

1717
02:10:14,380 --> 02:10:21,220
of this project is part of a group of 7-tash talent-up homes, 103, the second building in

1718
02:10:21,220 --> 02:10:29,060
from North New Union Street, the alley behind the homeless private page 4 of the host project

1719
02:10:29,060 --> 02:10:32,220
or I'm sorry, page 4 of the report shows those for you,

1720
02:10:32,360 --> 02:10:33,580
the dormer and green terrace.

1721
02:10:34,280 --> 02:10:38,700
Page 5, get there, there we are.

1722
02:10:39,180 --> 02:10:42,200
Draw the attention, the design standards that you have to do.

1723
02:10:42,620 --> 02:10:45,940
The style and scale of the dormers should be appropriately

1724
02:10:45,940 --> 02:10:47,160
our potential style.

1725
02:10:47,880 --> 02:10:50,400
New dormers should be centered on or between

1726
02:10:50,400 --> 02:10:52,000
the existing windows below.

1727
02:10:52,640 --> 02:10:55,140
New dormers should match existing dormers

1728
02:10:55,140 --> 02:10:56,280
and style and proportion.

1729
02:10:56,280 --> 02:11:02,020
and composite deposit sightings such as five of cement can be used on all sides

1730
02:11:02,020 --> 02:11:05,320
provided that it is on the smooth finish and it is manageable.

1731
02:11:05,840 --> 02:11:08,860
75 of the report has a HB staff recommendation.

1732
02:11:10,440 --> 02:11:11,400
Thank you.

1733
02:11:12,220 --> 02:11:12,620
Thank you.

1734
02:11:12,700 --> 02:11:14,280
So, we will see you in the next slide.

1735
02:11:16,520 --> 02:11:17,100
Hello.

1736
02:11:17,600 --> 02:11:19,040
My name is Karen Conkey.

1737
02:11:19,380 --> 02:11:20,640
I'm a 4-7 South Leastread.

1738
02:11:20,880 --> 02:11:23,080
I'm here representing Wayne Lawson Moore.

1739
02:11:24,080 --> 02:11:32,240
He gives his huge apologies. He had a business meeting that came up or dinner that came up this evening. So he could not join us. So he had spots sitting by myself.

1740
02:11:34,040 --> 02:11:42,980
Lawson bought this home earlier this spring. In the staff report, there's a picture of one of five Queen, which is a project that I did, I guess about three or four years ago.

1741
02:11:43,160 --> 02:11:49,680
When he fell in love with their roof deck and said, hey, can you do me a roof deck just like that one? I said, let me see what I can do.

1742
02:11:50,380 --> 02:11:56,580
So he's proposing the cable railing around the perimeter in the stair tower or stair

1743
02:11:56,580 --> 02:12:00,960
closure that's similar to what we did in the next door at the neighbors so that's how we

1744
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:01,840
knew we can do it.

1745
02:12:02,240 --> 02:12:03,560
And it's all outdoor kitchen.

1746
02:12:04,280 --> 02:12:06,000
And with that, I'll answer any questions.

1747
02:12:06,380 --> 02:12:07,400
And maybe we'll do the staff work.

1748
02:12:07,700 --> 02:12:09,400
And love the staff work too, by the way.

1749
02:12:10,680 --> 02:12:11,480
We do too.

1750
02:12:12,360 --> 02:12:13,180
Thank you.

1751
02:12:13,400 --> 02:12:15,280
Any questions from the board members?

1752
02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:17,580
Any questions from the public?

1753
02:12:22,420 --> 02:12:25,380
So we'll do a demonstration any any comment?

1754
02:12:30,100 --> 02:12:33,800
Is this the hospital work time anymore?

1755
02:12:34,320 --> 02:12:37,020
It is. I did the day window in the shed door on the back.

1756
02:12:37,280 --> 02:12:39,020
I guess in 2016.

1757
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:43,740
Yeah, and we talked a lot about the window proportions to one another.

1758
02:12:43,740 --> 02:12:50,440
right? It's possible for different. I've worked on Austin's door. Okay. How's the leader's side,

1759
02:12:50,640 --> 02:13:00,080
too? So, okay. Yeah, no. Absolutely naming cocky. Yeah, really. All right. That's

1760
02:13:00,080 --> 02:13:07,740
the only question. You are, I think, a dormer. So the dormer on the front elevation is what we're adding.

1761
02:13:07,740 --> 02:13:14,860
So, currently it's just a faux-man sorry group with no dormer and so he's adding his 3-go menus up at the top.

1762
02:13:15,880 --> 02:13:21,380
It's because if you go up in that third floor it's like, it's right, it's sloping, so he's trying to get that.

1763
02:13:21,940 --> 02:13:24,800
He's got the square footage, but you can't really talk about it in a minute.

1764
02:13:25,060 --> 02:13:32,180
And it makes sense if I just was wondering that on the roof of this, are you using this lace that you're taking out to the floor?

1765
02:13:32,260 --> 02:13:36,520
No, it's a metal, it's a fancy metal roof, a little slow metal.

1766
02:13:36,520 --> 02:13:44,900
So, yeah, the slate would require a sweep or slope on the dorm room, so we're keeping

1767
02:13:44,900 --> 02:13:48,700
the slate around the dorm room, but the actual roof of the dorm room is metal.

1768
02:13:49,940 --> 02:13:51,240
It's a little flat.

1769
02:13:51,520 --> 02:13:53,180
Yeah, it's very flat.

1770
02:13:53,740 --> 02:13:57,780
And it's the same slope as the dorm room on the back side that we did in 2016.

1771
02:13:59,280 --> 02:13:59,500
Okay.

1772
02:13:59,500 --> 02:14:04,560
If you have any questions more, I can move on to the next one.

1773
02:14:07,260 --> 02:14:10,160
I'll make a motion to approve for staff recommendations.

1774
02:14:11,460 --> 02:14:11,920
Second.

1775
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:13,420
Thank you.

1776
02:14:14,440 --> 02:14:16,460
Do we think it's a roll call?

1777
02:14:16,700 --> 02:14:16,820
Yeah.

1778
02:14:16,880 --> 02:14:18,580
I think it's a roll call.

1779
02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:19,900
But that's to you.

1780
02:14:20,400 --> 02:14:20,960
Make the motion.

1781
02:14:21,600 --> 02:14:24,300
And Mr. Robinson, thank you very much.

1782
02:14:24,300 --> 02:14:24,440
Yes.

1783
02:14:25,000 --> 02:14:25,180
Okay.

1784
02:14:27,060 --> 02:14:27,440
All right.

1785
02:14:27,440 --> 02:14:31,340
All right, and roll call, it is Ms. Rahul.

1786
02:14:31,420 --> 02:14:35,270
It's time for Mr. Spencer.

1787
02:14:35,690 --> 02:14:35,830
Hi.

1788
02:14:38,660 --> 02:14:40,220
And then this is Ms. Vellie.

1789
02:14:41,140 --> 02:14:41,460
Hi.

1790
02:14:43,960 --> 02:14:44,400
Thank you.

1791
02:14:44,780 --> 02:14:45,120
All right.

1792
02:14:45,700 --> 02:14:46,260
Score.

1793
02:14:46,860 --> 02:14:49,540
Thank you very much for the long evening.

1794
02:14:49,980 --> 02:14:50,720
Thank you.

1795
02:14:51,080 --> 02:14:52,360
Say bye-bye.

1796
02:14:52,660 --> 02:14:53,640
Bye-bye.

1797
02:14:53,640 --> 02:14:54,020
Bye-bye.

1798
02:14:54,880 --> 02:14:55,360
Thank you.

1799
02:14:56,160 --> 02:14:56,420
Bye-bye.

1800
02:14:56,420 --> 02:14:56,600
In this.

1801
02:14:56,980 --> 02:14:58,440
Bye-bye.

1802
02:14:58,440 --> 02:14:58,980
OK, I'm ready.

1803
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:08,880
All right. Thank you. The end of our.

1804
02:15:11,120 --> 02:15:21,260
Again, please give us feedback on what you like and don't like about our staff board of the template and all the great things that this question we did tonight.

1805
02:15:35,180 --> 02:15:49,640
I think that would be a little long by the end, but I think we're going to have 20 to 20

1806
02:15:49,640 --> 02:16:00,020
Yeah, it's fun. Yeah, the goal is they are not going to be more than 90 seconds, which is also why I'm not giving you every single standard that you're putting in our stack.

1807
02:16:00,240 --> 02:16:04,260
The stack report because the goal is you guys are reading the stack reports before tonight.

1808
02:16:05,400 --> 02:16:10,900
So it's the intent is we are one of the few boards to not do this.

1809
02:16:10,900 --> 02:16:20,720
So, I'm just going to try and better align the other boards and commissions as well as just to highlight the things from the stack of work.

1810
02:16:21,580 --> 02:16:27,400
If in any way in home drive, the obsession or whatever the duty may be.

1811
02:16:28,720 --> 02:16:30,060
All right, thank you.

1812
02:16:32,460 --> 02:16:34,480
Thank you very much.