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Okay. Thank you. I'd like to call to
order the Alpine City Council meeting

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for August 26th, 2026.
I'm sorry, August 25th, 2026.

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[laughter]
Excuse me.

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We will start with a roll call starting
from Councilman Young and then a prayer

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led by Councilman Young and a pledge um
I'm [clears throat] sorry, prayer

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offered by Councilman Young and a pledge
offered by or led by um Councilwoman

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Sarah Blackwell.
Okay, roll call.

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» I'll substitute for Councilman Young and
say the prayer.

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» Okay.
>> Bren Remler, present.

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» Sarah Blackwell, present.
>> Chrissy Henman, present.

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Okay,
so we have two that are not present.

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Andrew Young and Jessica Smeuan. We will
move to a prayer offered by Councilwoman

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Haniman.

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Our dear kind heavenly father, we're
grateful for this beautiful evening that

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we could gather as a community and
discuss important things to each of us

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and to the public at large. We're
grateful for those who serve, grateful

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for the uh time and interest. We're
grateful for a successful alpine days

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that no harm or fire. We're grateful for
the extra rain we've received and uh the

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accompanying rainbows and bless that
everyone will um learn and listen well

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tonight. And we say these things Christ.
Amen.

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» Amen.
>> Please rise and join me in the pledge of

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allegiance.
>> Ready? Begin. I pledge algiance to the

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flag of the United States of America and
to the republic for which it stands. One

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nation under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.

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» Okay, let's move on to the consent
calendar.

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» Are there any questions uh for the items
on the consent calendar?

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Just one quick one and that is uh um in
the future what what would really help

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is if we can get just a couple
comparisons because I mean I'm no expert

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in uh lawnmowers. Just a couple
comparison. Look, there's a big tier,

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there's a little mil tier, there's a
used one, there's a notused one. Um and

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maybe just some cost estimates because I
mean I don't know how uh the rest of the

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council is arriving at where they feel
comfortable with the decisions on these.

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Uh so any sort of comparison will help.
The other thing that'll help is when uh

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we have like a $68,000 lawnmower come
up, just what fund it's coming from, how

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much we've got in there, and then we can
kind of identify, okay, we're here. This

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is a big expense, it's a small expense.
Just those that that's the only uh

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» and that information is all outlined in
the budget as far as where it's coming

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from. It's it was part of the budget
that was approved,

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» right? I know that it what what I what I
don't know is how much is in there and

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like how big of a dent this makes that
that's all just just because of those

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uncertainties. It makes it hard to uh
and we want to be there. We know you

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know that information. It's just helpful
for us. That's all. Thank you.

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» Yeah. And then I can report that the
used park equipment that we sold on

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public surplus ended up bringing in
about 21,000.

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So it'll offset some of this cost as
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» Okay. Oh, wait. Last. Is this Is this
new used? I don't I don't know.

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» This is new.
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» Okay. Well, yeah, it's Especially when
it's something that's going to be used

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every day during the season,
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» I don't think we want to deal with
>> No, it's just the most expensive lawn

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mower I've ever seen. That's [laughter]
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I just I can't handle it. That's
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same model, would be probably 150,000.
Wow. Lawnmowers went up.

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» It's a bigger one.
>> Okay. Well, just as I get clarification

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on those things, I'll be more in
supportive. Until I can, I can't make

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those decisions on such a big cost. So,
>> so with that being said, I'll entertain

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a motion.
>> I'm to approve the consent calendar as

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noted.
>> Is there a second? Okay. It's been moved

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by Councilman um Rmler, seconded by
Councilwoman Haniman. Um let's proceed

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with the roll call vote starting from
Councilman Young.

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» Uh Andrew Young, no.
>> Chris, yes. No.

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» Oh. Oh, sorry.
>> I'm sorry. Brent, can you

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» Brent Rumler? Yes.
>> Sarah Blackwell. Yes.

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» Chris Anamman. Yes.
>> Okay. Motion passes. Let's move forward

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with public comment.
We will start with Julie Scott,

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followed by Isabelle Squires.

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» How long would you like these comments
to be, Mayor? Uh, let's see. Probably

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two minutes. We've got a lot on the
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» on the base on the microphone. Yeah.
>> No, it doesn't.

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» Oh, it's on the back.
>> Ah, wonderful. Thank you.

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» All right. I'm I'm here for to talk
about the stop putting in the stop signs

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up on Grove Drive and Alpine Boulevard.
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did I say that right?
>> Yes. Anyway, [snorts] I we've my parents

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have lived here almost 50 years and um I
was here for my high school years and

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and at that time Grove Drive ended just
a little bit above. But now there's so

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many houses up there and so many people.
It's become a thoroughfare. I mean,

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that's the way to get out of Alpine. And
so, there's so much more traffic coming

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down that road. And I noticed that there
are only two spots on Grove Drive coming

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down where there's a cross, like a
four-way cross, and that's one of them.

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The other one's down here on the main
area. So, I really think that it is a

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good proposal to to put in a four-way
stop, put in the sidewalks, um put in

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crosswalks. I know as since I've been
here the last three years have helping

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my parents, I have seen children walking
and biking and and adults too um on that

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road and crossing the road. And I know
our ward is on both sides. So, these

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kids have friends on both sides and
they're crossing that. I think it's

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really important and I'm voting for it.
Thank you.

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» Would you say your name again? I missed.
>> I'm Julie Scott.

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» What street do you live?
>> Um, and I live on Moy Drive. So, we come

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off Moy Drive and go right up there and
and take either one either go straight

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and down or go down Grove Drive. So,
that's that's a road that we go down a

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lot.
>> Thank you very much.

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» So, thank you.
>> Isabelle Squires followed by Elizabeth

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Wilson.

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Hello, my name is Isabelle Squires from
999 Grove Drive. Um, I am a part of

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Mountainville's Mountainville Academy
student council. When I found out that

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you were not letting us park at the
park, I was sad because I love going to

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the park to hang out with my friends and
play on the playground while I wait for

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my mom to pick me up. If you're worried
about safety, the park is the safest

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place to go. It's a big open space, so
it's easier to find your parents' car.

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You can see almost any car anywhere in
the park. And if you're on the grass,

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you are safe from any vehicle like cars
or bikes. On rainy days, it's nice to be

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able to go into the gazebo or or into
the pavilion to be sheltered from the

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rain. At our school, we focus on the
seven habits. Think win-win is one of

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them. To think win-win is when two or
more people have different ideas and

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they combine them so everyone gets what
they want and are happy by working

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together to get an outcome that
everybody likes. Do you think the city

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did that? They didn't ask us about our
opinion about the traffic. If they would

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have told us nicely that they had issues
with what we were doing, we could have

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come up with a better solution, maybe we
could still work out a solution. I love

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going to the park for pickup during
school. I look forward to going to the

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park after school. Going to the park is
the highlight of my day, so I hope you

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take that into consideration.
>> Thank you. [applause]

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Okay, after Elizabeth, we'll um hear
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» Okay. Thank you. My name is Elizabeth
Willis. I live on May Circle and I came

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to city council about a year ago with um
concerns that there was not a school

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speed limit sign as you approach the
school from the south in Mountainville.

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And I'm just so happy. I'm really
grateful that that has been amended um

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because I even spoke with a state
representative about that. So really

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happy about that. I do love the
crosswalk change. I think it's just such

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a huge safety improvement. I have kids
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I do think it would really help
alleviate traffic if we had the ability

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to go to the park. Those individuals
that come to the school from the north,

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then you're catching them before they
come south all the way to the school and

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having to come and contribute to that
congestion. So, I will say I do think

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that that could be tweaked again with
being able to go and alleviate some of

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that traffic and get some of that up
north instead of the congestion right

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there on Main Street. But I do really
appreciate the safety improvements for

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my kids. So, thank you so much.
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» Mayor. There there was a sign there. We
actually just took it down. So, maybe

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the new design is more visible. So,
that's great.

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the last two years and it wasn't

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» typ typically the officers let us know
um that check with that work the

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crossing guards if there's an issue
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It seems like we're at Westfield Road
all the time. So that's one we had never

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heard about not working.
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Okay. We've got
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have Addie Squires.
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» All right. Hi, I'm Julianne Rally and I
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13-year resident of um Alpine and I am
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um employee at Mountainville Academy.
So, I have two loves and I want to see

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both um I want to see a win-win with
this um parking situation. So, first I

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want to I want to say um I want to add
and say that I love the new crosswalk.

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That is brilliant and I think it's going
to help a ton. I really love it that um

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and I love the new signs and flashing
lights. I feel like it makes our school

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safer and our students safer and that is
my number one goal. I love my students

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and I love um all of the students at
Mountainville Academy and I want to keep

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them safe and I want to um as a staff
we've all we're constantly talking about

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traffic and what we can do to you know
we talk about ideas and things and so we

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want a win-win there. I have my
neighbors who come and talk to me and

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they're like I hate the traffic and so I
love that you're working on it and and

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and I want to fully support that. Um my
biggest thing is I read the report that

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came out um earlier this year about uh
recommending Legacy Park to be a drop

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off and pickup solution for students.
And I also read that there were concerns

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about safety, but I feel like it is one
of the safest

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option. We've had that option for what
is it 17 18 years and there haven't been

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any incidents. it has been a safe option
for students and to help alleviate

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traffic. I think it's a really excellent
solution. I would love to see you bring

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that back. Um
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Oh, my phone doesn't want to work. Um
but I do want to um I have 10 seconds.

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Okay. I think that's the biggest thing
is just please reopen and visit it. I

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feel like it's safe. I think it's a
win-win. It'll help alleviate traffic

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and I really think that I see
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» and I see traffic there and I think we
can make it again. Thank

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» we'll have Addie Squires followed by
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» Thank you Isabelle. That was really
brave. Oh, Addy Squires also 999 Grove

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Drive. That was really brave and thanks
for reminding us that we need to seek a

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win-win here. I think that Mountainville
had tried to do that by joining a task

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force on safety and traffic. And so I
think it's unfortunate from what I hear

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that the city made these decisions
unilaterally

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sort of in an overnight ambush right
before school started. And that's

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exhibiting the win-lose mentality. Okay.
And as has already been mentioned, it's

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asinine to ask the city residents from
the north to join the traffic to the

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south and use the red pine option. Uh we
were communicated with by the school

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that that's where you want to move the
traffic. So even though you might say,

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"Oh, the kids can still play at the
park." You're communicating we want to

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move the pickup from the park to Red
Pines. Now, the traffic report said that

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the city suggested red pines as an
option and they evaluated it and they

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said, "Well, sure, okay, but if you're
going to do it, you have to do it with a

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trial period, with communication,
collaboration, cooperation."

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None of that was done, right? You just
threw up those signs. And I mean, I have

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questions about how that works because
according to my understanding, the mi

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the municipal code requires that the
governing body direct the placement of

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parking signs. And I've had
communication from the council that

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there was no council action taken to put
up those temporary signs out there. Um,

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and so I would ask you to follow your
own rules and take the action properly.

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And finally, you know, city parks hold a
historic place uh in our constitutional

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rights as places to gather to peaceibly
assemble and enjoy freedom of speech and

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their public spaces. And that's why I
prefer to park there. I don't want to

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park in front of a neighbor's house. I'd
rather park in front of my city hall.

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So, I respectfully ask that you
reconsider the placement of those

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parking signs. And maybe Andrew, I'm not
sure how this works, but if we could

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take a second and clarify, you know, and
>> thank you for your time. I appreciate

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it.
>> If we could have Monica Ship followed by

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Karen Mson.
>> Is this I actually don't know the

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process and is this clarified or is this
something we have to do in closed

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meeting to ask what the actual process
is for uh uh us to make decisions on

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putting up signs or not? I I read the
email, but it was unclear. Let's talk

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about this after. Yeah, this is public
comment. It's not a public discussion.

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It's public comment. So, let's let them
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» Sorry,
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» Hi, I'm Monica Ship. I live on 1270
North Grove Drive. Um I'm here to talk

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about the um road improvements on Grove
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Heritage Hills. And um as many of the
council members have heard, we had a

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child hit there about five weeks ago on
their baptism day. They went over there

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on a bike and got hit by uh by a car.
They broke their femur, had a

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concussion, blood everywhere. Um it was
not a good good good situation for him.

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He is recovering and doing better and we
hope he continues to recover. But um I

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live just I am that house right north of
that intersection and I have five little

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kids of bike riding age that will be
utilizing that street for the eternities

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to come because we are not planning to
move. Um, and so the concern here isn't

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really that people are driving faster
than the 25 miles per hour, which they

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are. Not only the residents, but we have
countless uh dump trucks just zooming up

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there. Um, trades people going up there.
We had people just r uh running over

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there to get to Lambert Park as fast as
they can to get on the trails. Um, we

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understand that the city has conducted
um previous studies to see if a four-way

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stop sign is warranted and it wasn't
warranted then, but since that study was

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conducted, I believe 2022, maybe 2023,
um, uh, we have had significant uh,

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growth in the population just north of
Grove Drive. Um, and so I am hoping that

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we don't wait for another child or
pedestrian or honestly a car accident to

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happen, which I've witnessed this
morning on my way back from uh dropping

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my kids off from school. Two cars almost
collided at that intersection because

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they could not see each other um coming
up from the both hills that are at that

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intersection. So, I would ask you to
please reconsider a four-way stop sign.

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And then I know that the city has talked
about curbs and gutters on North Grove

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Drive. to prioritize that um for the
kids going up there on their bikes and

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um in the immediate time that this
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» Thank you, Julie.
>> Traffic calming measures. So, thank you.

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» Thank you, Monica. Um Karen
Mson followed by Michelle Shamway.

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» Hi, my name is Karen Mudson. I have a
child who goes to Mountainville Academy.

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I
am Am I speaking out of turn?

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» Okay. Um, so I came I actually live in
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but having a son who comes to
Mountainville and hopefully three more

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children right behind him coming to
Mountainville wanted to come and address

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uh the topic of traffic. And um I
believe that it would be in everyone's

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best interest if we can get traffic off
of Main Street because that blocks the

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city residents access that blocks um the
the parents coming from neighboring

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cities like myself. And so if we can
increase the um access that the children

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have to Mountain, one solution that I
thought of comes from my hometown of

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Sandy, Utah, where Sunrise Elementary
School, the students could only access

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through a very congested neighborhood.
And so my parents helped to get an

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easement of a sidewalk put in to allow
the kids to walk through um in between

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two home residences so that they could
walk to another area to be picked up

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there. And I think that this would work
well on either 200 South or over to Red

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Pines, but the faster that that parents
can be picking up their students, the

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less congestion there will be on Main
Street. and Red Pine is too close to

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that traffic circle to get traffic
moving. So, the more that you could even

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move up toward Legacy Park as been as
has been talked about or to the backside

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of Mountainville, if there's even a
sidewalk, that would help the children

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be able to get out of Mountainville to
another road safely. That's all. Thank

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you.
>> Thank you.

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Okay, Michelle. Excuse [clears throat]
me. Michelle Shamway, followed by our

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last um commenter, Sarah. I am going to
slaughter your name. I'm sorry.

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» Zistra.
>> Zilstra.

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» Zilstra. Sorry about that.
Um, so my name is Michelle Shemway. I

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live on 197 Hawthorne Court. And you
guys probably remember I came before to

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speak about golf carts. And I just
wanted to readress it and see if you had

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thought more about it. Um, I still feel
really strongly that this is a really

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good thing for our community. And after
hearing all these things addressed about

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traffic and things like that, I just
can't help but feel like golf carts

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could honestly be a solution. Like, you
know, a lot of residents in Alpine have

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golf carts and it could actually slow
down traffic and be a safer way for drop

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offs and pickups. And um, I feel safer
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So, I just feel like it's safe and I
feel like um maybe I was thinking of

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proposing like a trial period. You could
do like a 30-day trial period and see

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how it goes or something like that. Just
an idea I just thought of before this

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meeting, but just wanted to um readress
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» Thank you. Um Sarah,

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hi. I live on Campfire Circle just down
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comment about golf carts. Um, we feel
the exact same way. She kind of went

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over the safety issues or the safety
reasons why um, we want them, but um,

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our mine is more like memories with my
kids. Like I want to be able to ride my

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or take my six-year-old to his baseball
game at Westville down the street like

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to the gas station. like memories small
city feel like we don't have any stop

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sign or stop lights like it just kind of
slows everything down and just makes

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everything
um fun for the kids, fun for us. We get

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outside, we have fresh air, we don't
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it's just a really fun thing for our
family and I know it's a big thing for a

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lot of other families that have special
needs kids that take them out in the

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neighborhood to interact with other
kids. like that's how they get out and

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interact and um something they look
forward to. And um yeah, we just really

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miss being able to ride them around and
um socializing, the socialization that

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it brings into the community and the fun
memories that we're able to make with

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our kids.
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» Thank you, Michelle. Okay,
let's move on to item five, which is

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reports and presentations.
Um, who's doing the report on the golf

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carts and the fiber survey?
>> That would be me, mayor.

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» zoom out of this.
So, perfect segue from the last two

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comments into this. Um,
so as as everyone knows or should know,

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we did a general information survey in
the month of July regarding golf carts

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and internet fiber. Um, so this is just
kind of the the results of that.

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So I'll just go through it. Um, we asked
five questions with the golf carts, one

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about the fiber. The first question we
asked about golf carts was how

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supportive are you of allowing golf
carts to operate on designated public

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streets within the city? And this was
the result from the respondents. we had

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uh a good amount strongly support um and
an even greater amount that some would

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oppose or strongly oppose uh golf carts
and we'll get into the reasons why but

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that's just the the raw numbers on that.
Uh question two was what do you believe

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are the primary benefits of allowing
golf carts in your community? Select all

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that apply. And so you can see the gray
here is other which we'll get into those

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comments and then these others that go
around the pie chart. Uh the red is no

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clear benefits. So these were obviously
the people that didn't think golf carts

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were a good idea. And then these are
other uh responses that people could

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fill out. Neighborhood mobility,
recreation, environmental benefits,

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reduce traffic congestion.

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And you can see there's a lot of numbers
here that more than the amount of people

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that took the survey. We had about 650
people that took the survey, but that's

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because they can answer multiple answers
on this. Same with this one. Uh, what

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concerns do you have about allowing golf
carts on public roads? Select all that

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apply. So, the gray is the other column
as well, which has people filled in

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comments on that one. Uh, the orange
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most people had some level of concern. I
think even the the people that favor

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golf carts were were admitted that there
might be some concerns that they wanted

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to to address there. Um, concerns such
as driver behavior was was the biggest

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one.
uh road sharing confluence traffic

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accidents are some of the big ones.
Um the fourth question was just where

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you live. So you can see there's a wide
sample here. This is just one page. So I

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put etc here. We had people from all
over the city responding to this and you

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can see that in the raw data if you if
you follow the link. And then the last

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question was just what is your age? Um
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were 45 or older to this survey.

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Um, so yeah, the other information that
I was referring to before, I can zoom in

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a little bit on this. So there were 168
people that selected other, there were

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166 total write in answers. So for
question two that was about the

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benefits, we had 26 people talk about
the benefits of golf carts and 140

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people talk about the concerns with golf
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the 166 respondents.
However, we looked at the data a little

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bit closer and what we found was that a
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the benefits other question actually
filled out a concern. So that benefit

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number went down to eight. Uh and the
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concerns. And then the other responses
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were more neutral or related to just
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So you can see in that table that that
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So I'll click on this link. This shows
the the data that we did to make sure

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that this is accurate what I'm saying
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so we have for example one the question
two primary benefits what the person

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actually said was safety concerns
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mind. So we reclassified that as a
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uh or such as this one. This was clicked
on as a benefit by the by the

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respondent, but they actually said too
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it's actually a concern. So, we just
filled that out. Made sure that was

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actually classified according to what
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Let me go back to this now.

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Okay. Um and then I just had a word
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words that we found in the since
concerns were the biggest response that

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we got uh on those other responses. Uh
this world word word cloud came out as

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as these words the main words used
driver age kid cart because the main

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concern was definitely underage driving
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used words.
All right. And then the last question

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like I said there was just one question
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So, we said, "How likely is it that you
would switch to Centricom Fiber from

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Comcast if it was available as an option
in Alpine City?" And these were the

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» Shane and I have been working with the
new president of Centriccom to um see if

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they would come into our city. Since
I've been mayor, I've been trying to

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excuse [clears throat] me, especially
after the pandemic, realizing the need

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for our residents to get reliable and
consistent um fast-speed internet. Um,

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as you guys all well know, we only have
one provider in our city and um I've had

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a lot of complaints from our residents
that their rates keep getting hyped up,

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their um connection isn't reliable. And
so we have spoken with many many

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different fiber providers throughout the
years, but Centriccom is the one that

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has come the furthest. They um they kind
of specialize in smaller cities. Um we

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had another meeting a couple of weeks
ago um with Highland City also try to

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entice them to come in and it looks like
it's looking pretty good. what they need

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from um our residents is to do if
they're not getting reliable um fast

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speed internet. What we're finding is
what Comcast reported to the government

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as far as the speeds that they're
providing is that they're according to

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the government and Comcast our map shows
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most of our residents are being serviced
by one gig or more. But when I talk to

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residents and have them do actual speed
tests, there's one that's paying for one

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gig and the speed that they're getting
is like 211, which is not even, you

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know, a fourth of what they should be
getting for download speeds or upload

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speeds. Um, so Centric, what it is, it's
fiber to the home. So you have your own

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fiber connection. Their infrastructure
allows up to 11 gigs per line or, you

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know, per connection. But um their
general I believe one gig up and down um

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their rate is about $74 and it hasn't
changed much throughout the years. They

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don't do the practice of raising your
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Um I feel like you know if we can get
somebody else to come in it's better for

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our residents whenever there's a
competitive market. So that's why I

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needed some data to give to them what
the temperature was of with our

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residents because most of our residents
are on that single

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provider. Um they needed to know if
there was a market that was available to

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them. So that's why I asked Heidi since
we were already doing one on the golf

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carts that we um attached this to the
end so that we can um see what the

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temperature is of our residents.
>> I would have responded but my internet

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was too slow. [laughter]
Is there a is there an infrastructure

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cost to that to the city?
>> Not to the city. No,

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» that's why it's good. And they want to
come in to the ones that are the most

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underserved because I think they feel
like the people that aren't getting

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reliable internet are more likely to um
you know go with them. And so that's

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they want to see high success and be
able to justify going more into our

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city. They're already here. They service
um city hall. They will be servicing the

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fire station. They service all the
schools in the city. So they do have a

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backbone.
>> If they were to come, do they have to

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tear up our roads?
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it's in our rightway, but they do it
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kind of like what um is it Utopia? I
believe Utopia Fiber also does that. And

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it's nice because they're not tearing up
our roads. They're not doing the micro

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trenching. um and you know if they can
they'll try to utilize our overhead

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lines which makes it much more um
cost-effective for them but no there is

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not an infrastructure cost to us which
is huge because most of the fiber

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companies I've met with wanted a2 to4
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um outlay from us well and actually it
was two million back before it was right

406
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:31,679
about the pandemic times when all the
prices started going up.

407
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,480
Okay. Anything else?
>> Nope. That is it. I'll just say because

408
00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:39,039
Heidi wanted me to make sure I
communicated this. Um, oh, so yeah,

409
00:31:37,519 --> 00:31:41,600
here's the source for the raw data for
anyone who wants to look at the actual

410
00:31:40,159 --> 00:31:45,760
raw data. The survey, Heidi wanted to
make sure I communicated that this is a

411
00:31:43,919 --> 00:31:49,679
statistically valid survey based on how
we conducted it. Um, it was put in the

412
00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:56,799
news line in early July. It ran for
about three weeks to July 1 to July 5th

413
00:31:53,279 --> 00:32:00,960
to around um, you know, mid July. Um
there were two to three social media

414
00:31:58,159 --> 00:32:04,720
posts about this that she put out. Uh it
was emailed to every email we have for

415
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:10,880
the utility building. So about 200
households or more. Um like I said we

416
00:32:07,519 --> 00:32:15,519
had over 600 responses to it and the
survey was filtered so that only one

417
00:32:13,039 --> 00:32:17,519
response could be given per device. So I
just wanted to put that information out

418
00:32:17,039 --> 00:32:22,080
there
>> which is I mean that's a huge response

419
00:32:19,919 --> 00:32:26,559
pool for a small city like our size. I
think um when I told when I was telling

420
00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:30,600
them about the survey results, they were
surprised that we had so many

421
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,600
respondents.

422
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:34,240
» Okay.
>> You just want us to go one by one

423
00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:37,600
quickly on them.
>> No, that's just the results. Is there if

424
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:40,320
you if you have questions about it, you
can look at the raw data or you can

425
00:32:38,960 --> 00:32:44,159
» Well, just a couple comments. Did you
want to go though, Brent? I will you

426
00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:47,039
» No, I Sarah doesn't I I'll go quick
then.

427
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:51,600
» The um Thanks for doing it. That's
awesome. The uh I'm looking at golf

428
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:55,840
carts like fireworks. Like the reason
fireworks are dangerous is because the

429
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:57,279
environment we're in is like high fire.
>> Um

430
00:32:56,559 --> 00:33:00,480
» Okay. Um
>> Well, no. I was just going to say no.

431
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:03,200
Okay. Hold on just a second. And it's
really quick.

432
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:06,159
» This isn't a discussion. This is a
presentation that he made. If you have

433
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:09,440
something that you want
>> to let him want to know what to do next,

434
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:13,519
what to do next. So,
>> if you want to pursue it, then it's the

435
00:33:11,519 --> 00:33:16,640
same thing as anything else. Get another
council person to get it on the agenda.

436
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,960
» Right.
>> But this is just a

437
00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,880
» We're not We're not going to discuss it
at all. not not discuss it at all.

438
00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,760
» No, we're moving on.
>> Okay. The the

439
00:33:24,159 --> 00:33:28,399
» discussion will be if you want to bring
it back to a

440
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:30,880
» Well, it's it's not it's just one thing
with the study. That's all I was going

441
00:33:29,519 --> 00:33:35,039
to say. I'll just say it quick. The
study, everyone is against kids driving

442
00:33:33,039 --> 00:33:39,440
golf carts. In the study, though, it
wasn't clear that kids would not be

443
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:42,559
allowed to drive golf carts. So, most of
the people saying that they don't like

444
00:33:41,039 --> 00:33:46,880
them. We're all in agreement. We don't
want kids to drive golf carts. as I

445
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:52,000
talked to them, they didn't understand
this was a survey for only adults with

446
00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:55,600
driver's license to drive golf carts.
So, there's just one loophole. So, so

447
00:33:53,840 --> 00:34:00,320
the people that are for this who have
been pushing for this, you might want to

448
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:04,960
do a little more education for the folks
and let them know what this actually was

449
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:09,359
and then maybe come back at it because I
know this was your this was this the

450
00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:12,480
genesis was you and so they didn't
understand that. So, just that was all.

451
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,119
Thank you and thank you for doing the
fiber. I think that's I think it's gonna

452
00:34:14,079 --> 00:34:18,159
help.
>> Okay. Financial report, Shane.

453
00:34:18,033 --> 00:34:23,119
[clears throat]
>> Yeah. So, we're we're just one month

454
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:30,480
into our our new budget year. Uh but we
did uh get our last sales tax uh

455
00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:36,879
allocation for FY26,
which put us about 2.76%

456
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:42,399
uh increase over the previous year. Uh
so, it's good to see some growth there.

457
00:34:39,679 --> 00:34:46,480
um uh the books were closed after we
received this last week. Um Dave

458
00:34:44,720 --> 00:34:51,679
finalized that and we're actually moving
into our audit um next week. So he had

459
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:57,040
that all kind of teed up and it's
actually pretty much unheard of to do

460
00:34:54,480 --> 00:35:03,200
that. Um but Dave Dave does a great job
with it. So um you only being one month

461
00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:07,599
in, we have we've expended some funds.
If you go through and look at insurance,

462
00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:12,160
it might say 80% or something like that,
but it's 8% through the budget year, but

463
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:17,440
it's front-loaded, so don't get
concerned with those type things.

464
00:35:15,119 --> 00:35:23,280
Uh, the largest project in our budget is
well underway, um, the fire station. And

465
00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:29,200
so, we'll start seeing regular monthly
uh, payments, you know, in the 250,000

466
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:35,760
range, probably sometimes more depending
on equipment and things. But, um, It's

467
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:41,440
going well so far.
So, um, any questions

468
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:46,079
related to the financial report? It's
pretty brief, one month in.

469
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:53,119
» Anybody have questions?
Okay. Thank you, Shane. Let's move on to

470
00:35:50,960 --> 00:35:57,200
um
report on the CWPP.

471
00:35:55,520 --> 00:36:01,480
Chief, are you doing that or is Chief
Beck?

472
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:01,480
» Okay.

473
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:20,640
I'm going to talk about CWP.
Essentially, the CWPP

474
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:23,920
coincides with our CWS that we that we
go through every year, which is our

475
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:30,400
cooperative
wildfire agreement, which essentially

476
00:36:26,160 --> 00:36:36,880
says that we are going to
play ball with the state. And what what

477
00:36:33,839 --> 00:36:43,760
we do for our CWS is we keep a current
CWPP.

478
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:52,079
We have a monetary cost based on
um essentially our threat level which we

479
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:57,520
t we do in kind work. Um so things like
equipment purchases and engine purchases

480
00:36:55,040 --> 00:37:04,800
and and also mitigation projects,
anything like that, we count that

481
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:10,160
towards the cost of of the CWS. And what
the CWS really gives us is

482
00:37:08,079 --> 00:37:15,040
I I would I would refer to it as more of
an insurance. If we have a fire that

483
00:37:12,720 --> 00:37:20,240
starts in Alpine proper and goes to
state or federal or if it stays in

484
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:24,079
Alpine proper, if if Lambert Park, which
is completely in Alpine City, caught on

485
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:28,160
fire,
if that fire gets big enough to where we

486
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:34,560
have resources that come in and that
fire gets delegated, the state is going

487
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:38,240
to take on the cost of that fire. So if
you know back to 2012, we have that fire

488
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:43,920
again. We've got VLATs coming. I mean,
one VLAT drop is going to be

489
00:37:41,520 --> 00:37:47,760
a million dollars, right? And that's why
fires cost so much money. And

490
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:52,480
essentially what that does is protect us
from

491
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:57,760
protect you rather from having to have
that

492
00:37:54,079 --> 00:38:04,000
cost. So the CWP is something that we
keep current all the time. Um what you

493
00:38:01,359 --> 00:38:09,520
have in your packet I believe is
probably somewhere in the neighborhood

494
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:16,560
of 91 pages long. Um we opted rather
than to just fill out the state template

495
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:23,839
to really put in a very detailed
um CWPP plan.

496
00:38:19,839 --> 00:38:29,280
um so that we can also use this to
hopefully fund some grant requests and

497
00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:34,480
help with the mitigation efforts in both
Alpine and Highland.

498
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:38,640
With the the old CWPP,
um it became very apparent quickly that

499
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:43,280
nobody's going to give us a bunch of
money if we don't have a plan. So the

500
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:48,800
CWPP, the community wildfire protection
plan is what is required and it needs to

501
00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:54,720
be a robust plan that's detailed and and
really lines out what we are going to do

502
00:38:51,839 --> 00:39:00,800
if the state or the federal government
or anybody gives us money.

503
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:06,400
» So how soon um can we start going for
these grants for the mitigation or

504
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:12,400
» I would assume right now. We have all
the signatures. CWPP's been put back,

505
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:15,760
given back to the state. So, I would
think that it's official and we just

506
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:19,200
need to figure out what grants are out
there. And

507
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:25,599
» well, what about the grant that um
Draper got um to do all their wildlife

508
00:39:23,359 --> 00:39:30,960
or wildland mitigation work that came
down into Alpine on the northwest

509
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:35,920
corner? Um is there any way that we can
go for grant that will continue that

510
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:40,160
work along the northern border and then
if eventually the east um the eastern

511
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:44,800
border of our city
>> as long as that northern and eastern

512
00:39:41,839 --> 00:39:46,320
border are not forest
>> right

513
00:39:45,119 --> 00:39:51,359
» that was a state grant
>> right the northern side it's mostly

514
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:55,200
owned by the city right it's um public
open space and so when I talked to the

515
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:59,359
» that's the place that we could
>> when I talked to is it Mike is that his

516
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:04,800
name when I talked to Mike I said that's
all city property and we give you

517
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:10,560
permission to do mitigation work. Um the
east um border of Alpine is a little bit

518
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:15,200
more difficult but it's mostly private
own private land owners and I think they

519
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:18,800
would be amendable um once we get that
grant money or if we need to get their

520
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:23,119
permission and we can go around and
start doing that also but the sooner we

521
00:40:20,720 --> 00:40:29,440
can get working on that the better.
>> Absolutely. We just need a grant writer.

522
00:40:27,839 --> 00:40:33,599
We know of one.
>> Good.

523
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:36,800
» We have to pay him. But yes, we do know
of one.

524
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:40,720
» Well, we we have a little bit of money.
We Did you get the first submission we

525
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,880
got? Did that go to you or Justice
Shane?

526
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:48,640
» No, I was copied on it.
>> Were was it good?

527
00:40:46,720 --> 00:40:51,760
» Well, I don't He's the boss of the fire
brigade.

528
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,359
» Did you like it?
>> We'll talk.

529
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:59,359
» Why don't you We pitch the first one to
do is Lambert. basically all the homes

530
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:02,560
on Lambert on our trail to get rid of
all of the fire problems. I thought it

531
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,560
was good.
>> Okay.

532
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:07,200
» I think we ought to change our name to
fire brigade.

533
00:41:05,520 --> 00:41:09,920
» There you go. Do you guys have any
>> I like it. Well, whatever.

534
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:12,640
» Do you have any questions?
>> Well, just whenever you have one

535
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:17,040
» regarding the CWPP.
>> Uh, we love it.

536
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:20,800
» I don't I don't have any regarding the
CWP. I did notice in there that they

537
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:24,880
commended, you know, three falls for
their mitigation work. And would it be

538
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:29,440
possible either for Jason Jones or Chief
Beck or yourself to come and speak to

539
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:34,400
like have a community education night
and go over what's worked really well

540
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:37,440
for Three Falls and how we can translate
that into other community subdivisions

541
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:40,319
and
>> Yeah, absolutely.

542
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,480
» Would you be the one or should I reach
out to Jason?

543
00:41:41,119 --> 00:41:46,640
» No, I think Jason would be the one. He's
he's the one that's been either

544
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:50,800
facilitating or recommending the work
that's being done up there. So,

545
00:41:48,319 --> 00:41:55,520
» okay. Jason or or I mean we've worked a
lot with with Jason to try to make sure

546
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:59,200
that we're I mean we want to know what's
being done so that because there are

547
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:03,520
there are parts of that work that's
being done that we can tie into if we

548
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:09,520
had an event up there. So we're very
much want to be a part of it. Not so

549
00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:11,520
much the work but as far as knowing what
the resources are up there.

550
00:42:11,119 --> 00:42:14,240
» Okay.
>> Yeah. So like all the people that I know

551
00:42:12,720 --> 00:42:18,240
up at Three Falls, they've done their
own mitigation work and Jason has kind

552
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:22,240
of guided them and kind of gave them
hints like oh you know this is what you

553
00:42:20,240 --> 00:42:26,240
want to do not like a complete fire
line. He's kind of in line with what the

554
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:30,240
um Forest Service
>> and um what the state and the county

555
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:33,599
level have kind of suggested with that
and that's what they're working on is

556
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:36,560
basically clearing the dead fall,
thinning it out.

557
00:42:34,720 --> 00:42:39,680
» So it's more the private property owners
up there that have been doing it and

558
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:42,960
Jason's just kind of been helping. The
only thing that has not been done by the

559
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:46,720
um private property owners was the
leftover money that was given to Draper

560
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:51,760
to do the fire mitigation when they were
going around the perimeter of their city

561
00:42:49,839 --> 00:42:56,000
was that there was extra monies and so
they used it to come down and kind of

562
00:42:54,240 --> 00:43:02,079
met up with three falls and did a little
bit to that. So coming down that there's

563
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:06,560
been fire mitigation done on um Draper
side and then where it meets Alpine and

564
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:10,720
it comes down into Alpine but then the
money ran out. So if there is a

565
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:15,040
potential like on the east side that's
more privately owned like if we get

566
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:19,680
grant money we would focus primarily on
the north city property and then if

567
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:24,319
there's extra we could we can help
>> private res

568
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:26,240
none of it went into private residents.
>> Okay.

569
00:43:24,720 --> 00:43:30,480
» It's all on city property.
>> Okay. That was my

570
00:43:27,839 --> 00:43:34,720
» there was some access through private
property um just to get access so that

571
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:38,079
they didn't have to come up and over the
mountain every single time especially

572
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:42,079
when they were getting closer that they
did ask for access and we work with

573
00:43:39,839 --> 00:43:46,319
private property owners to be able to
use their drives to get to an area so

574
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:49,920
that it wouldn't take them hours to get
to where they needed to be.

575
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:54,640
» Okay. Thanks. And I just have one last
question in here. It talks about

576
00:43:52,000 --> 00:44:00,800
specific subdivisions
that are, you know, have a higher higher

577
00:43:58,319 --> 00:44:05,839
risk or would you just classify those as
like along the interface and the benches

578
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:11,359
or are there other subdivisions that are
not bordering wilderness or on the

579
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:16,640
higher elevations that would also be
considered

580
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:19,839
high risk? Um, right off the top of my
head, we do have a couple, at least one

581
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:24,079
that I can think of that is not
necessarily bordering the urban

582
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:26,960
interface that is internal, if you will.
>> Okay.

583
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:30,560
» It's not right on the border pushing up
against the foothills that is for sure a

584
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:34,079
high risk.
>> Okay. Maybe I'll just email you. I'm

585
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:38,240
just curious what where they are, you
know, if there's a way we can target

586
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:42,079
target some education towards those
specific areas, those communities.

587
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:47,680
Right. Yeah. That's
>> and and the CWPP that is part of part of

588
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:54,560
the CWPP is the education component. It
also brings into you know evacuation and

589
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:58,240
how we get information out. And so when
you know going through this and doing

590
00:44:55,760 --> 00:45:04,400
our tabletops and everything that we did
leading through this, we had police, we

591
00:45:00,319 --> 00:45:09,920
had city officials. Um, yeah, it's it's
a it's a lot of people when you start

592
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:14,079
looking at a if we were to have a huge
event for us to be prepared.

593
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:18,640
» Yeah, I got to participate in that or
attend the tabletop. That was really

594
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:24,800
interesting. So, thank you.
>> My um Kaden, would you mind scrolling

595
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:29,359
down to page 149 of this document? Of
course, me being a visual person, I love

596
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:33,200
these maps or hated them one way,
however you look at it. Could you just

597
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:38,641
put this into layman's terms about the
the risk that we all live with daily?

598
00:45:36,621 --> 00:45:38,641
[laughter]

599
00:45:39,520 --> 00:45:47,920
» Well, you see the red,
>> that's the wildfire risk in Alpine. So,

600
00:45:44,319 --> 00:45:53,359
Alpine C currently sits at I want to say
98

601
00:45:49,680 --> 00:45:57,280
point something percent of cities in
this country when it comes to wildfire

602
00:45:55,200 --> 00:46:05,599
risk. Meaning 98% of this country has
less wildfire risk than Alpine.

603
00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:10,880
So what that red is is is wildfire risk.
Alpine has is a beautiful city that has

604
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:17,040
a lot of open space. It has a lot of
contiguous places for fire to travel,

605
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:20,800
which is how we outline urban interface.
if a fire can move from one home to

606
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:25,520
another or from this part of the forest
to that part of the forest. And really

607
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:29,839
urban interface is going to be one home
to another. So one house house catches

608
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:34,800
on fire, it has the ability to travel
via trees, shrubs,

609
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:37,760
those types of things. That's really how
we define urban interface.

610
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:43,040
H
>> how come the north is white?

611
00:46:41,359 --> 00:46:46,560
» Those are the granit.
>> Oh, okay.

612
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:48,960
» They don't burn. There's just no Yeah,
the rock.

613
00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:54,319
» We don't find out.
>> Can you go down to the next one? Um, and

614
00:46:52,000 --> 00:47:01,680
I was curious about
the blue here. What What makes it more

615
00:46:58,480 --> 00:47:05,520
very low? What are those places? Because
because I can't interface this with like

616
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:08,160
Google Earth, but you you probably know
these by the like at the back of your

617
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:12,880
hand.
>> Um, maybe not. So, where the mouse is

618
00:47:11,280 --> 00:47:15,359
down on the bottom right there, that's
Alpine.

619
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:21,680
Okay,
>> so back to our white. If we scrolled up

620
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:25,599
and we look at that same line, the white
up there on top where we've got the

621
00:47:23,359 --> 00:47:30,960
little looks kind of like a mountain
range and we go down to the next one.

622
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:33,200
So, back to the granit, very low risk of
burning the granates.

623
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:37,280
» Okay.
>> So, then down here in the there, if you

624
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:41,200
go if you go where the mouse is, that
that's our city.

625
00:47:38,720 --> 00:47:44,400
» There's like our our our canyons and
stuff. Yes.

626
00:47:42,240 --> 00:47:50,000
» I see. Okay. And I would assume that
that lower right is going to be the top

627
00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:54,240
attemp. So back to rock,
>> right? Okay. Thank you for helping me

628
00:47:52,240 --> 00:47:57,680
interpret these. I was not following
this very well to be honest. Let's keep

629
00:47:56,240 --> 00:48:02,560
going down the next one. Let's see if
there's anything that stands out worth

630
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:06,319
that's noteworthy. So knowing we're down
here in this lower corner. This is the

631
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:11,040
wild. This is the lone peak. So this
includes Highland Highland and Alpine.

632
00:48:08,960 --> 00:48:14,319
Is that correct?
>> Yes.

633
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:17,359
» Okay.
All right.

634
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:21,599
» So, where you see that yellow line where
you know you kind of have the white

635
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:26,640
there, that that line that wraps around
is going to be your, you know, where

636
00:48:23,599 --> 00:48:31,040
your exposure score starts.
>> So, in a future meeting, we will be

637
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:35,599
presenting a
with uh House Bill 48 or 41, whichever

638
00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:38,720
one mandated the new maps.
>> Okay.

639
00:48:36,160 --> 00:48:44,160
» We will we will have we need to approve
a five or greater. So essentially, we're

640
00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:48,079
going to draw a line through Alpine that
says everything on this side of the

641
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:53,839
line's five or higher. Everything on the
side on the inside of that line's going

642
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:57,760
to be five or lower or four or lower.
>> But it could be internal like it could

643
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:59,760
be polka dot like because we have such
internal open areas.

644
00:48:59,280 --> 00:49:02,480
» No.
>> No.

645
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:06,880
» The state did not build it that way.
Basically what the state did is they

646
00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:10,880
came off of the mountains and then they
brought brought it down.

647
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:14,400
» Okay. I don't exactly know how they did
it.

648
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:17,520
» How far they came in, but they came in.
>> So, okay,

649
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:22,880
» rather than poke it out, it really is
just kind of an outside line,

650
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:27,680
» which makes the CWP and some of this
stuff even more important so that we can

651
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:33,359
articulate, hey, while we may not be in
your high-risk zone,

652
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:39,440
» this is an identifiable high-risisk zone
that we need some help with.

653
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:43,920
Okay, let's just look at the last one. I
don't remember if I had a question. Just

654
00:49:41,280 --> 00:49:47,680
that I needed a little bit of lay man's
interpretation. Anything here?

655
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,760
Suppression difficulty index. Is that
because of the steepness of the slopes?

656
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:53,359
It's
>> inaccessible roads, that type of thing.

657
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:57,200
» Yeah. No roads, right?
>> Steepness. So everything on on your east

658
00:49:55,599 --> 00:50:01,839
side and even on your,
>> you know, up to the granite, that's

659
00:49:58,720 --> 00:50:06,800
going to be really hard for us for us to
suppress and and really anybody for that

660
00:50:04,720 --> 00:50:08,800
matter. Okay, thank you. That was very
helpful.

661
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:13,040
» And I just want to clarify. Sorry,
Chief. Alpine's actually up here now.

662
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:15,520
I'm remembering the wildlife urban ever
face map. We're not down here. We're

663
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:17,920
We're like right here.
>> Yeah, that's the corner.

664
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,720
» So, we're in the yellow.
>> Yeah.

665
00:50:18,240 --> 00:50:24,319
» Yeah. You got a bunch. You got a lot of
your yellow.

666
00:50:21,680 --> 00:50:27,200
» Moderate exposure. 30 three out of
eight. Four out of eight.

667
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:32,400
» So, you can get on the It's called the
URAP, which is essentially if you just

668
00:50:29,359 --> 00:50:37,920
kind of Google Utah wildfire, it'll put
you on the URAP portal. You can go into

669
00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:41,760
the URAP portal and you can put in an
address. You can pull up the whole city

670
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:44,880
and it will give you your exposure score
per property.

671
00:50:43,440 --> 00:50:48,960
» Yeah.
>> One of the other things because um I I

672
00:50:47,119 --> 00:50:52,640
re recently was learning more about
water. There was one in here about our

673
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:56,880
watershed.
>> So um is that how is how does that

674
00:50:55,359 --> 00:50:59,760
relate is if there was a fire it would
ruin all our water or like how does that

675
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:04,720
interface?
>> Okay. essentially. So when we look at

676
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:09,200
like American Fork Canyon, you know, Dry
Creek, any of these places where all of

677
00:51:06,559 --> 00:51:12,640
the water and not just our water,
>> a lot of water in the north part of this

678
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:18,559
county,
>> um that all of the a potential, you

679
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:21,440
know, if if we had a fire, you look at
what happened with Beaver with their

680
00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:25,200
fire when the flooding came down and
that kind of stuff. We have something

681
00:51:22,960 --> 00:51:30,079
similar, a fire that goes through
American Fork Canyon, we have similar

682
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:33,839
type of vents. We may not be able to get
PI water. You know, a lot of our PI

683
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:37,520
water comes out the stuff we're not
pumping comes out of American Fork

684
00:51:35,359 --> 00:51:44,480
Canyon and maybe not Alpine, but
Highland for sure. Um, but all of your

685
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:49,680
groundwater, you put that kind of,
you know, contaminants and fire and

686
00:51:46,400 --> 00:51:55,920
stuff into your groundwater. Um, we we
have a a big potential for

687
00:51:53,760 --> 00:52:01,119
water contamination as well as, you
know, one of the things that we saw with

688
00:51:57,359 --> 00:52:04,079
the quail fire was was flooding, right?
The mudslides and and those types of

689
00:52:03,599 --> 00:52:08,160
things.
>> Okay. Now that I'm still getting my

690
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:12,400
bearings here on this map, why are you
saying that we as a fire district and I

691
00:52:10,240 --> 00:52:17,760
serve on that board, we cover way up
into the mountains? Like that's your

692
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:24,160
resp like our like that's us. We cover
125 square miles. We cover clear to the

693
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:29,680
Salt Lake border. So basically, and it's
not right up the Highland Boulevard, but

694
00:52:27,040 --> 00:52:32,319
it's in around Draper now where Draper
owns essentially to the Salt Lake County

695
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:36,000
border.
>> Clear up to the corner where we meet

696
00:52:33,680 --> 00:52:41,359
Wasach. And then down Wasach, we come
around the face of Temp.

697
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:43,359
» We cover a large portion of Mahogany.
And

698
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:48,960
» so what you're telling me it's much
larger than our city boundary. Correct.

699
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:54,160
» Yeah. The combined city, I believe, is
25 square miles. So, we cover

700
00:52:52,319 --> 00:52:58,800
» Well, Alpine is only eight, but with
Highland, we're probably

701
00:52:57,520 --> 00:53:01,680
» in that neighborhood.
>> 25. Yeah.

702
00:53:00,000 --> 00:53:06,079
» So, this square portion on the bottom is
that American Fort Canyon.

703
00:53:03,680 --> 00:53:10,480
» That is our that is our coverage area.
So, American Fort Canyon's actually in

704
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,559
come down just a little bit. Right about
there is where American Fort

705
00:53:11,851 --> 00:53:15,599
[clears throat] Canyon is. And then
you've got mahogany going up and then

706
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:20,079
the face of temp. And
>> I see. So that's why it's all dark

707
00:53:17,280 --> 00:53:24,240
because lots of vegetation. Okay. I'm
learning to read your maps. Thank you.

708
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:28,720
» Not my maps. That's tutorial. Wait, why
does it go down so far south? Are you

709
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:32,079
guys still including Cedar Hills or is
that

710
00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:36,400
» we still cover from the agreement with
whatever agreement was it made? We still

711
00:53:34,160 --> 00:53:41,440
cover that part of the mountains. So we
cover clear down to the Cedar Hills city

712
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:43,520
border on the face of
>> the mountains. Okay.

713
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:47,040
» Interesting.
>> These aren't our maps. These are also

714
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:49,839
state maps. So, you can pull all of
these maps off that URAP site.

715
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:52,559
» Okay.
>> But I won't have you to tell me what

716
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,839
they mean. So, I'm really glad you went
through it.

717
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,559
» Call me anytime.
>> Thank you.

718
00:53:54,319 --> 00:54:00,720
» A little darn work.
>> Andrew, do you mind if you could talk to

719
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:04,480
um Draper Fire Department and see who
they use to write their grants and maybe

720
00:54:03,040 --> 00:54:08,160
get direction from them?
>> Sure. So, if we could move forward on

721
00:54:06,000 --> 00:54:13,040
that because my understanding was that
we try to go for those mitigation grants

722
00:54:10,079 --> 00:54:16,640
and we didn't get it because our CWPP
wasn't um

723
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:19,760
» robust enough
>> robust enough for a lack of better and

724
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:25,440
then that's why we went through this
process. We got a grant to do the CWPP,

725
00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:28,079
hired um outside consultants, they came
in um

726
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:31,040
» this has been an 18month process.
>> Yeah, it's been a long long process.

727
00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:34,800
They finally have it together. So, for
me the next step would be to go after

728
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:35,760
those grants.
Yeah.

729
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:40,559
» Thank you, Chief.
>> Just need a grant writer. I didn't ask

730
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:44,800
» Draper and see who they use for their
grant writing because you want somebody

731
00:54:43,119 --> 00:54:48,720
you want somebody who knows what they're
doing. And grant writing is very

732
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:52,720
specific to each specialty, whether it's
fire, playground equipment, roads,

733
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:56,079
whatever it may be. Everybody has their
things that um they know. So, if you

734
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:58,960
could talk to them and kind of get a
lead

735
00:54:56,960 --> 00:55:02,800
» and then we can move from there. Thank
you. Mayor Merrill, do you mind if I ask

736
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:07,920
a follow-up question to one of before
Andrew goes? Thank you, Andrew. Um, just

737
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:12,480
with regards to watershed, is there
anything that we can or should be doing

738
00:55:10,240 --> 00:55:17,119
now to help protect our wershed in case
of a fire? Is there anything we can do

739
00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:20,000
to prevent that? Besides just preventing
>> our best I think our best bet is to try

740
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:23,920
to prevent the fire.
>> Okay.

741
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:27,599
» So, I don't I don't know. I mean,
>> yeah. I don't I don't know what we would

742
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:31,760
do.
>> More water. Maybe if there's less water

743
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:33,760
to contaminate. I don't know. I'm just
kidding. They're in California. They're

744
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,400
doing the big
>> Thank you, Chief. Appreciate it.

745
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:39,760
» Well, hold on. I got one from the
They're doing the big storage tanks at

746
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:43,839
people's homes
>> because that that is helpful to have it

747
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:49,760
dispersed. So, anyways, it's a double
one for So, I learned that uh the the

748
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:54,319
window for doing the mitigation is not
in the winter. I thought it was in the

749
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:57,920
dead in the winter. It's from October to
Novemberish, September, October. So,

750
00:55:56,319 --> 00:56:01,520
we're actually arriving in our perfect
window. That was the only reason I

751
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:07,119
submitted that project is because our
windows open. Thanks for doing it with

752
00:56:02,880 --> 00:56:11,040
me, Brent. Um, so if you have projects
that you would like us to do or you

753
00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:17,440
think could be urgent, we'd love to do
it or I I should say I would love to do

754
00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:21,520
it uh before the winter because if we
can do it this fall, then by spring and

755
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:26,319
summer when we h if we have another year
like this, we'll just be we'll be a lot

756
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:29,200
more ready for it. So, I don't know what
process you want to go through on that.

757
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:32,559
However you want to do it, we'll follow
your lead. But I'll just submit ideas.

758
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:37,280
But if you have one you want, let us
know. And we have the budget allotted

759
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:40,960
that we put for this budget. Uh we can
also start with that. Uh am I under the

760
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:43,359
» We might want to use it for a grant
writer.

761
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:47,280
» Sure. Or grant writing. Grant. Am I
under the understanding that that budget

762
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:51,680
is just by us submitting to utilize
those funds? Is that the process?

763
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:54,079
» There there are funds allocated in the
budget for

764
00:56:52,720 --> 00:56:58,079
» mitigation work. Yeah.
>> Right. Okay. So, do we submit for a

765
00:56:55,599 --> 00:57:01,200
grant writer or submit for a project or
an emergency or whatever he says would

766
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:03,920
be best? Is that fair for everyone? Is
that

767
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,480
» that's a discussion that we need to
have. Yeah. How to

768
00:57:04,720 --> 00:57:10,720
» I mean obviously we would want the input
from the fire chief. He would be he's a

769
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:12,640
subject matter expert. So, we will lean
on his expertise.

770
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,559
» You got to have the chief.
>> Okay.

771
00:57:13,040 --> 00:57:17,119
» Okay. Well, if you have a process, let
us know because currently we're a little

772
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:20,720
bit
>> we're we're it's ambiguous and we're in

773
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:23,760
the dark as to what the process is to do
fire mitigation. So, let us know what it

774
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:29,440
is.
Thank you.

775
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:34,559
Okay, let's move on to um citizens water
committee report. We have Mr. Steven

776
00:57:31,359 --> 00:57:38,559
Burroughs who has championed um
conservation for our city and has done

777
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:43,280
so much work. I've asked him to come and
give a report um just to keep everyone

778
00:57:41,839 --> 00:57:46,480
updated especially the work that you did
during alpine days.

779
00:57:44,240 --> 00:57:51,359
» We'll do so. Thank you for your time.
We're [clears throat] twothirds of the

780
00:57:48,079 --> 00:57:56,240
way into the water year right now and a
lot has happened. We especially

781
00:57:53,200 --> 00:58:03,280
appreciate the city staff, Heidi and
Shelley and Carolyn and Don and Deian

782
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:07,839
for the cooperation. Clyde uh Staer and
I, we come every Monday for two hours

783
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:13,680
and we partner with them and making
calls to those who have leaks. We

784
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:19,760
consider what uh can be done to help uh
increase the uh uptake of our app and

785
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:23,359
consider for a long term what we could
be doing. So let me give you some

786
00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:28,880
statistics that will help you understand
where we are and a sense of where we

787
00:58:25,839 --> 00:58:35,119
think we should be going forward. So our
goal this year was to when compared to

788
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:40,160
last year decrease total utilization by
25%.

789
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:45,920
That's a lofty goal. Okay. Uh that sort
of goal will need to continue into next

790
00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:55,200
year. So far during that twothirds of
the water year through uh August 15th,

791
00:58:50,160 --> 00:59:02,079
our total water use is down uh about 11%
and a little over 11% is PI only. So

792
00:58:59,920 --> 00:59:09,599
yes, we do have places where outdoor
water is used culinary, but we're down

793
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:14,559
and I think once over 10, that's good.
We're moving fast and hard to the rest.

794
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:19,359
The first few months have been a focus
on education. Education around two

795
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:25,520
things. One is the ordinances around
restrictions and the guidelines around

796
00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:32,240
using and then conservation. Uh we this
is an experiment in how much can we get

797
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:38,799
in way of results with conservation
education and restriction education. The

798
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:44,319
answer is it helps. It's one of the many
levers you pull to ultimately get to the

799
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:51,359
point that the use of water doesn't
exceed the supply of water. And as you

800
00:59:47,680 --> 00:59:57,440
read about what the Colorado uh river
plans are, it's all about not about what

801
00:59:54,640 --> 01:00:02,000
the state's demand or need. It's all
about the supply. And as we move

802
00:59:59,760 --> 01:00:08,400
forward, we're going to recommend some
ways to understand what our supply is as

803
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:15,599
we enter next water season so we can
adjust if needs be education,

804
01:00:11,839 --> 01:00:21,119
restrictions, enforcement, etc. so that
we don't exceed the supply. Hopefully

805
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:26,880
with a good uh snow pack, the supply
will be higher and it won't affect those

806
01:00:23,839 --> 01:00:31,440
things that we're accustomed to. Uh a
couple things we're we're doing. Let me

807
01:00:28,799 --> 01:00:37,839
just talk about Ion water first. Ion
water is an app that's made available

808
01:00:33,599 --> 01:00:44,319
free from the city. Um about 44% of of
property owners have it. It grow it's

809
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:51,599
going gradually in the 1 of June 41% of
the city users had it. Um unfortunately

810
01:00:48,720 --> 01:00:59,760
only 39% of those who have leaks have
it. The challenge is have it and use it.

811
01:00:56,319 --> 01:01:05,920
So, a fun story that Carla's very much
aware of, uh, Clyde and I are retired,

812
01:01:02,960 --> 01:01:11,200
so we choose fun projects and we saw
with Heidi's help Alpine Days. Who would

813
01:01:08,799 --> 01:01:16,640
not want to be at Alpine Days? And we
got a free t-shirt. So, that made the

814
01:01:13,359 --> 01:01:23,440
difference. So, from 10:00 until 8:00 on
Friday and on Saturday from 10 until 6,

815
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:28,319
he and I manned a booth right next to uh
the city booth. Now Clyde and I are

816
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:33,440
business development people. So it's one
of those we're proceliting basically.

817
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:38,400
And Clyde knows everybody. So anyone
that he knows, even about 15 yards away,

818
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:44,400
if he called their name, they'd come
over. Long story short, half we we

819
01:01:42,319 --> 01:01:51,119
talked to a hundred people about 50 of
them chose to stay long enough with us

820
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:56,720
to pull out their iPhones and do the
steps. There's only a few steps to

821
01:01:52,960 --> 01:02:01,280
actually download the ion water. Okay. A
major part of that is make sure they

822
01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:05,920
allow push notification. So if there's a
leak, they would know. The other half

823
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:11,359
were I've got it, but I don't know how
to use it or as a partner may say,

824
01:02:08,559 --> 01:02:16,480
"Honey, you deleted it." So we
reinstalled it. The whole idea is raise

825
01:02:14,720 --> 01:02:22,319
the consciousness level of what we can
do personally to manage water. The next

826
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:25,680
project that we've been working on, uh,
like I said, since June, we've been

827
01:02:23,839 --> 01:02:30,880
making those calls. We're finding
there's got to be a more productive way

828
01:02:27,839 --> 01:02:37,440
to reduce what we call leaks. Leaks in
our definition are is a continuous flow

829
01:02:33,839 --> 01:02:42,880
of water for 24 or more hours. Think of
that. We think of a broken pipe. We

830
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:47,520
think of a valve that's malfunctioning.
There's also the possibility that

831
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:54,240
consciously or subconsciously I I allow
my watering to go 24 hours or more. So

832
01:02:51,839 --> 01:02:59,520
we right now no one should be watering
24 hours or more. Okay. So we during the

833
01:02:58,160 --> 01:03:04,160
next couple months and with the help
especially of of Don and Shelley we're

834
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:10,480
we're doing two things. We're
identifying those who and there's 608 of

835
01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:16,960
the there's about 12% of all the meters
out there that there is a leak as per

836
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:25,280
that definition. Okay. Half of that is
10 gallons or more an hour. All right.

837
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:34,160
So about a third of that uh 608 have a
problem. Okay. So you take 10 x 24* 7*

838
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:38,640
30 it adds up fast. Okay. um some and so
our goal is that our goal is a couple

839
01:03:36,319 --> 01:03:46,720
fold. One is we'd like that number of
608 to be less than 500 by the time the

840
01:03:42,960 --> 01:03:52,000
the water uh year ends. And we'd like as
many people as possible, especially for

841
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:56,960
PI to be notified and take action to
repair after October 15th. You repair

842
01:03:55,200 --> 01:04:03,520
something, you don't know if it's
repaired until April 15th next year.

843
01:04:00,319 --> 01:04:09,839
Second of all, we have a goal of over uh
five over 50% of all water users having

844
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:14,799
ion water. And so there's a we're we're
like I said very closely with the sea

845
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:19,760
staff and combining efforts and ideas to
decree increase the number of

846
01:04:17,200 --> 01:04:24,880
applications through of ion water and
decrease the number of accounts that

847
01:04:21,520 --> 01:04:29,200
have leaks going forward. That's what
we're doing the next couple of months.

848
01:04:26,640 --> 01:04:34,880
The priority that hopefully this will go
work right into the next uh agenda item

849
01:04:31,680 --> 01:04:39,680
is to support a couple things. One is to
support the identification and funding

850
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:47,200
of those deficiency projects that
support water both PI and culinary and

851
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:54,319
second of all is to figure out processes
that will help the enforcement.

852
01:04:50,559 --> 01:05:00,720
We're we're working with uh Clyde as a
tech guru and Heidi to automate where

853
01:04:58,079 --> 01:05:07,839
possible the notification to of those
608 accounts who have a leak. And then

854
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:15,440
for right now, every week the major
segments, the city uh for business and

855
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:22,559
parks, the schools, the the um churches
and the a users, they get a report uh

856
01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:27,760
from that that leak report of who has a
leak. And then we follow up every week

857
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:34,240
and we're finding that action is being
taken. It's a personal s source of pride

858
01:05:30,559 --> 01:05:39,839
to say this week is less than last week.
But to give you a sense, uh, most

859
01:05:36,640 --> 01:05:44,640
recently 28 million gallons were in some
way leaked. So our goal is to reduce

860
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:48,720
that number of accounts with leaks to
under uh, five 500.

861
01:05:46,720 --> 01:05:54,559
» Did you say this week or this season?
>> The this, as of the most recent leak

862
01:05:52,240 --> 01:06:01,440
report, and some of these leaks have
been going on for a long time, there's

863
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:05,119
28 million. Okay. Um, so the goal the
goal is Go ahead.

864
01:06:02,880 --> 01:06:08,880
» I mean, It's a huge number, but there's
always going to be leaks in the system.

865
01:06:06,640 --> 01:06:12,480
Any given city is just part of it. You
do like a percentage of your total water

866
01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:15,920
usage. But what these gentlemen have
been doing is it's a huge thing. Right.

867
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:20,480
There was because some of these people
have had leaks since we turned PI on and

868
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:24,559
they were not aware of it at all.
>> That's right. We have all sprinklers and

869
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:28,319
property owners. Yeah. So Clyde and I
have all sorts of fun stories of people

870
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:33,440
picking up the phone and first of all
denying that they have a leak and then

871
01:06:30,319 --> 01:06:38,880
we talk through is is a hot tub, is a
swimming pool, is there a faucet in the

872
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:43,520
backyard that a grandson may have? And
then they check it out and it's like

873
01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:50,319
thank you, you know, and uh very few
have been um recalcitant towards it.

874
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:54,480
most of them have tried to figure out
what the leak is and they and we help

875
01:06:52,559 --> 01:07:00,480
them figure out maybe try it a different
way. So we feel pleased with what has

876
01:06:57,599 --> 01:07:05,119
happened. Uh 11% reduction is good.
We're working towards having a at least

877
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:10,000
a 12 and a half% reduction by the end of
the year. There's mitigating factors and

878
01:07:07,520 --> 01:07:16,160
I would just end with to get to where we
need to to make sure demand doesn't

879
01:07:12,160 --> 01:07:20,720
exceed supply there's multiple levers.
It's the education. It's the

880
01:07:17,920 --> 01:07:25,520
restrictions. It's our rating system.
It's uh it's it's doing what's needed to

881
01:07:23,520 --> 01:07:28,960
make the system efficient. It's
enforcement. All those things are going

882
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:33,119
to have to be pulled to eventually get
to that point we don't exceed supply.

883
01:07:32,160 --> 01:07:38,359
Thank you.
>> Thank you so much. Appreciate all your

884
01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:38,359
work. Honestly,

885
01:07:39,081 --> 01:07:41,920
[clears throat]
>> I

886
01:07:39,599 --> 01:07:47,119
» One of the highlights, Mayor, was they
almost got rained out one day at Alpine.

887
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:51,359
» I know. No. Friday. No, I was um able to
sit down with them for much of Friday

888
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:56,480
and Saturday and see them in action and
they were amazing.

889
01:07:53,119 --> 01:08:00,799
» So, this is a follow-up question. Are we
calling on culinary leaks or only PI?

890
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:05,520
» Both. Okay.
>> The six the 608 is for both or is that

891
01:08:03,359 --> 01:08:09,359
just PI?
>> Both. All together. All the leaks

892
01:08:07,119 --> 01:08:12,559
together. And so, yeah, all we get is
whether they have a leak or not. And

893
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:16,319
then we, you know, and then when they do
the eye on water, it should tell them,

894
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:19,600
it tells them what the leak is. And then
you can go into the app and it depends

895
01:08:18,080 --> 01:08:24,640
on
there's a setting um on how big the pipe

896
01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:29,920
sizes that tells you whether it's
culinary or PI. The larger pipe size is

897
01:08:27,679 --> 01:08:35,600
for PI, the smaller pipe size is for
indoor. Indoor is usually leaky toilets.

898
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:41,759
um outdoors either PI or as we
discovered it's um hot tubs that

899
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:45,199
automatically recycle and autofill and
there was a leak in the hot tub and it

900
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:49,199
just kept filling it and they had no
idea.

901
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:52,960
» I I'm a success story too but we'll tell
that success story offline.

902
01:08:51,279 --> 01:08:55,600
» I'll come tell you my experience with
ion water and my leakage report that

903
01:08:54,719 --> 01:09:01,759
came to my email.
>> Yes. Okay, let's move on to action

904
01:08:59,759 --> 01:09:07,199
items. No,
we've got um the sales tax bond for the

905
01:09:05,440 --> 01:09:10,159
fire station.
Um do we need to do anything else or

906
01:09:08,960 --> 01:09:14,239
should I just go ahead and open the
public hearing? Do you have a

907
01:09:11,679 --> 01:09:17,759
» just explain this is a public hearing is
required. It's it's been scheduled. It's

908
01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:23,359
been advertised. It's one of the steps
in the process. Um this will kind of

909
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:28,960
round out the public meeting
requirements for the bond. Uh we do have

910
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:37,199
Mark Anderson online. If anyone has any
uh questions for him, I'm sure he'd be

911
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:43,600
happy to answer those. Um the
uh requests for bids have been sent out.

912
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:50,480
Um they're coming due
uh couple days, the 27th and then the

913
01:09:47,759 --> 01:09:54,320
first part of um September everything
can be closed out.

914
01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:59,840
» Okay.
>> Okay. I will um open the public hearing

915
01:09:57,120 --> 01:10:06,080
for the sales tax bond for the fire
station. So, at this point, the public

916
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:13,199
is welcome to come up and speak about um
the sales tax bond. Um you will have

917
01:10:09,120 --> 01:10:16,920
three minutes to make a statement.
The floor is open.

918
01:10:23,760 --> 01:10:33,760
Okay. As no one has come forward, I'm
going to close the public hearing

919
01:10:30,640 --> 01:10:37,679
and then we'll move. Okay. Item B. Um,
so sir, when they do you want to explain

920
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:42,640
with the brick why?
>> Yeah. So, uh, we meet every Thursday,

921
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:46,800
just a progress meeting on the fire
station. Um, last Thursday we met and

922
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:53,199
they said, "Hey, we we got to have this
brick on whatever approval process you

923
01:10:49,679 --> 01:10:56,640
have, uh, we need to do it ASAP." They
were estimating based on what they had

924
01:10:55,280 --> 01:11:02,960
been told by some of these brick
companies 12 to 16 week delivery times

925
01:11:00,080 --> 01:11:09,040
and to hit their marks it had to be
right now. So as they were I said I need

926
01:11:05,679 --> 01:11:13,199
actual samples not just pictures of what
the brick color would be or whatever.

927
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:20,320
Um, so they were gathering those up and
as they were working on that end of it,

928
01:11:17,520 --> 01:11:25,120
the times they were given were more
favorable and they said, "We're we're

929
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:30,080
still gathering samples. We're fine to
wait two more weeks." And so that's

930
01:11:27,120 --> 01:11:35,360
that's why it's um just needs to be put
off for a couple weeks. So we will have

931
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:39,360
actual samples. We'll try to have them,
you know, maybe shoot for like the

932
01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:44,400
Friday before the meeting. So if you
want to come in city hall and look at

933
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:49,360
them earlier, you can do that. But
>> is the timeline so favorable? We may

934
01:11:46,400 --> 01:11:50,800
still be able to use real brick because
>> Yeah.

935
01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:53,199
» Okay.
>> Yeah.

936
01:11:51,760 --> 01:11:56,480
» They thought they had to get it in, but
when they asked for the samples, they

937
01:11:55,040 --> 01:12:00,400
realized that the lead time wasn't quite
as long as they were originally told. So

938
01:11:59,360 --> 01:12:03,760
that's why they're
>> they're the seller is trying to

939
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:08,400
underpromise and overd deliver.
>> Probably.

940
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:14,480
» Okay, let's move on to item C.
Approval of the sculpture garden plan.

941
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:17,360
» Okay. So, um
>> there no motion needed on either of the

942
01:12:16,159 --> 01:12:19,199
last two.
>> No,

943
01:12:17,679 --> 01:12:23,920
» no motion needed. Okay.
>> The public hearing is just kind of like

944
01:12:20,719 --> 01:12:32,080
a public comment period and then B was
is removed from the agenda.

945
01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:37,760
» Okay. the um Heritage Arch Arts
Foundation have been working hard to uh

946
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:44,480
prepare planning, irrigation, and
lighting plants u to be uh put for the

947
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:49,199
city council for approval. Um they've
been coming in and either coming in or

948
01:12:46,480 --> 01:12:56,400
checking in with us weekly. Um we work
through a few things. Uh there's still a

949
01:12:53,040 --> 01:13:00,239
a few outstanding items after tonight um
that are being worked on, but those will

950
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:04,320
be brought back later.
Um

951
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:09,600
so
these plans are

952
01:13:07,199 --> 01:13:12,880
there will be some changes. Um for
example, there's a closet door out here

953
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:16,400
and it shows a tree planted in front of
it. There's going to be some little

954
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:22,239
things like that.
Um but uh Bob has a presentation. He'll

955
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:27,679
he'll go through some things with you
tonight and uh hopefully answer any

956
01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:35,640
questions that you have um to work
towards moving uh this project forward.

957
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:35,640
You

958
01:13:35,679 --> 01:13:42,640
» Thank you.
We have some fun

959
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:51,280
» sorry this Yeah, we do have some fun
updates to share with you. Um so if we

960
01:13:46,320 --> 01:13:57,440
go to slide two just real quick. Um
we've uh we've met with two households

961
01:13:54,320 --> 01:14:02,800
and we're at about 56% of campaign goal
that's pending right now. Two

962
01:13:59,840 --> 01:14:08,159
households. Um
we're confident that things are going to

963
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:15,120
go in the right direction. Um
so uh yeah um

964
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:20,159
if we go to the next slide this uh this
was a question that was raised about

965
01:14:16,880 --> 01:14:28,960
just the relative roof heights um and
the garden pavilion the gazebo um

966
01:14:24,000 --> 01:14:35,040
element um right now uh stands about 20
feet 2 in um we're still going to be

967
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:38,800
getting some specs on that from a
builder and and some others that are

968
01:14:36,640 --> 01:14:44,000
doing engineering um architectural
drawings. Uh but it's going to be close

969
01:14:41,440 --> 01:14:51,520
to that range. Um and there were
questions about how high it was and whe

970
01:14:46,719 --> 01:14:58,400
whether or not it would um um kind of be
dominant in the area. So wanted to make

971
01:14:54,880 --> 01:15:05,920
sure that that was understood. Um the
next slide talks about um the safety for

972
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:10,719
the stained glass. Um, so I was able to
get some great feedback from Tom

973
01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:15,520
Holdman, his team. Uh, they've been
installing stained glass and uh, 200

974
01:15:14,159 --> 01:15:20,719
temples. They've got another hundred
that they're working on. Um, they just

975
01:15:18,239 --> 01:15:26,400
installed in some islands. Uh, is
designed to withstand hurricane force

976
01:15:22,640 --> 01:15:32,800
winds. Uh, 2x4s going 80 miles an hour.
Um, and it protect it's protected. So,

977
01:15:29,440 --> 01:15:36,800
um, those those will be, uh, there for a
good long time. Now, that doesn't mean

978
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:42,239
they're indestructible, right? Somebody
who's bound and determined to wreck them

979
01:15:38,880 --> 01:15:50,719
can do that, but uh, we're taking that
into account also. And so, um, let's go

980
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:54,322
to the next slide. Um, it's a familiar
face.

981
01:15:52,302 --> 01:15:54,322
[laughter]

982
01:15:54,800 --> 01:16:02,480
» Yeah. Um, so one of the families that we
met with uh

983
01:16:00,960 --> 01:16:07,040
just suggested, you know, there's
there's somebody that's been around the

984
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:12,640
block a few times, understands,
you know, some sprinklers and and some

985
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:17,679
things doesn't need to take the role of
Emily who's been a part of this for so

986
01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:21,280
long, right? But um could be um
instrumental in helping kind of some

987
01:16:19,440 --> 01:16:28,239
boots on the ground kind of approach.
So, uh, you know, I it's important to

988
01:16:24,400 --> 01:16:34,719
say that, uh, this is a volunteer role.
Um, huge, uh, thank you to him, right?

989
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:41,520
Um, but it's also part-time. He does
have other work to do, um, during the

990
01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:46,000
day. And um so the ideas he would report
to Emily and um Heritage Arts

991
01:16:43,840 --> 01:16:52,000
Foundation, one of the things that he
shared with me that I loved um our first

992
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:58,159
meeting, he said, "Bob, um if I think
something is bad for Alpine, I'm going

993
01:16:53,920 --> 01:17:02,239
to say it." And you know, this whole uh
project for the last two years, it's

994
01:17:00,159 --> 01:17:06,159
something that we've said and we stand
by it. We want to make sure that this is

995
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:13,280
a gift that comes to you with no
regrets. So, um, we love that about, uh,

996
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:17,920
what he said. So, uh, the role does not
revise designs, um, direct change

997
01:17:16,239 --> 01:17:22,560
orders, approve costs, or replace
licensed professionals unless we

998
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:30,400
desperately need him, right? Somehow,
right? Um, so the next slide, um, this

999
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:35,360
is the part that, uh, we're pushing off.
Um, I don't know if you recall way back

1000
01:17:32,960 --> 01:17:40,640
when when we originally put together the
letter of uh, intent, there was a one

1001
01:17:38,159 --> 01:17:48,320
pager that had to do with um, donor
gifts and recognition and it only

1002
01:17:43,440 --> 01:17:54,320
focused on the statues. Um, and that now
is insufficient. And so I'm I'm

1003
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:59,920
recommending that it be brought up uh,
next month um, and be presented here. um

1004
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:06,080
it's the last thing that really kind of
remains. Um but uh you know because of

1005
01:18:03,760 --> 01:18:12,960
that change if we go to the next slide
I'll just share with you um this is a

1006
01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:18,400
quick one-page glimpse of the major
features. These are kind of four main

1007
01:18:15,440 --> 01:18:23,760
buckets that donor gift opportunities
fall into. Um significant elements

1008
01:18:21,520 --> 01:18:30,080
hardscape landscape individual elements
and then endowment. And I do want to

1009
01:18:27,199 --> 01:18:36,159
just go to the next slide real quick uh
because this is a slide of great

1010
01:18:32,560 --> 01:18:41,120
interest, right? Um this is an example
of some donor opportunities that all

1011
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:48,400
relate to the maintenance ongoing
support of the garden. All right. Um and

1012
01:18:45,440 --> 01:18:55,760
we're refining these. Uh the numbers are
still in in kind of a a process, but uh

1013
01:18:52,080 --> 01:19:01,760
if there were no changes um to this,
we're pursuing funding that would be

1014
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:06,800
somewhere around 169,000 per year
um perpetually

1015
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:12,320
endowed and that would come to the city
every year to take care of this. It

1016
01:19:09,520 --> 01:19:17,600
could be a person, it could be product,
it could be all kinds of things. So, um

1017
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:22,719
I this is an example of why we felt
having this discussion next month would

1018
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:31,159
be helpful. So,
so um I'll turn the time over to Emily

1019
01:19:25,360 --> 01:19:31,159
to provide update on the three plans.

1020
01:19:32,159 --> 01:19:40,480
» So, um you should have a planting plan
and an irrigation plan and a lighting

1021
01:19:37,840 --> 01:19:44,159
plan. um spent a lot of time thinking
through making sure especially in a

1022
01:19:42,159 --> 01:19:49,040
drought year that we're not we're using
water wise plants. We have water wise

1023
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:53,520
plants that um will frame the pavilion.
We also have this the water feature

1024
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:57,760
that's come since we've last um spoken
to and then making sure that we also

1025
01:19:56,080 --> 01:20:03,280
have something that is giving year round
interest in the garden that is also

1026
01:20:00,800 --> 01:20:08,320
maintainable like that we don't have so
many things going on that it's not

1027
01:20:05,679 --> 01:20:13,760
maintainable you know just that and it's
visually pleasing to the eye. Um making

1028
01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:19,199
sure that we have drip line in place. We
know that you are an example to the city

1029
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:23,199
as well. Um but we um
And then for the lighting, we like to do

1030
01:20:21,040 --> 01:20:28,640
more historical lighting. We've looked
into solar, but solar seems to take and

1031
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:33,600
not take from my experience um of trying
to do solar. Um sometimes it goes and

1032
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:38,239
sometimes it doesn't. So I feel like
doing electric is um a better solution.

1033
01:20:36,480 --> 01:20:42,520
So
have anything you any questions?

1034
01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:50,640
» Brent, do you have any questions?
>> Just in general questions. Um, I did

1035
01:20:48,640 --> 01:20:54,239
look up all the plants and I appreciate
that they are all drought resistant. I

1036
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:58,800
was I didn't look up to see if they are
native to Utah, but I'm assuming maybe

1037
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:02,400
one or two are, but I don't know if you
know that off the top of your head.

1038
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:05,360
» Well, there are there are some that are,
and there's some that, you know,

1039
01:21:03,520 --> 01:21:10,159
obviously the poppies are native to
here. Um, but there are some that are

1040
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:12,000
and some that aren't,
>> but a lot of them are.

1041
01:21:11,440 --> 01:21:18,080
» Nice.
>> We did request from the city and found

1042
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:22,800
on the website um an approved set of
that the city puts out and that became

1043
01:21:20,320 --> 01:21:28,159
the basis for this but then we had to
expand because that list was kind of for

1044
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:30,960
sidewalks I guess
>> park strips. Yeah.

1045
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:34,640
» Yeah.
>> And then I did want to just bring up

1046
01:21:32,560 --> 01:21:39,440
those three trees again. I know that
that was brought up last time and I was

1047
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:43,440
curious what your thoughts are because I
feel like if we're being wise stewards,

1048
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:48,560
why would we cut down
perfectly great trees to replace them

1049
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:52,960
with less mature trees? So, I don't know
if you have thoughts on that. Well, I'm

1050
01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:56,960
hoping that we can keep we obviously in
the plan I have to keep um the trees on

1051
01:21:55,040 --> 01:22:02,000
the east side of the building, but in
order to create an environment that

1052
01:21:59,600 --> 01:22:05,679
feels connected,
having something in the middle of

1053
01:22:03,760 --> 01:22:09,360
something that is more formal,
especially with the formal building that

1054
01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:15,040
we have, this this building itself is a
formal building. Um, having that formal

1055
01:22:12,159 --> 01:22:19,120
design is a lot more appealing to the
eye than having a tree that's just

1056
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:22,639
shooting up in the middle of a design if
that makes sense.

1057
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:25,679
» No, that makes sense. I just feel I just
it's sad to me that we would cut down

1058
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:28,400
those
>> How old are those trees, Shane? Do you

1059
01:22:27,520 --> 01:22:34,639
know?
>> Approximately 30 years.

1060
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:38,880
» Um, that was just one of my concerns um
there. And then you mentioned that it

1061
01:22:36,800 --> 01:22:42,400
would be $169,000
per year to take care of the garden. Did

1062
01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:44,880
I understand that correctly?
>> No. Okay.

1063
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:49,520
» No. So [laughter]
I was like, "Wow, that's a lot. I can

1064
01:22:47,520 --> 01:22:55,280
come and weed it for free."
>> So that represents the total of gift

1065
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:57,360
opportunities at at the present time.
Okay.

1066
01:22:55,520 --> 01:23:00,480
» That we have yet to really kind of
finalize and put together and present to

1067
01:22:59,520 --> 01:23:04,960
you next month.
>> Okay. Okay, that makes sense. Um, and

1068
01:23:03,199 --> 01:23:09,199
you mentioned the safety protecting the
glass. I know that other people have had

1069
01:23:06,880 --> 01:23:14,719
a concern about the sculptures. I don't
know if you have any thoughts on that.

1070
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:20,320
» They'll withstand hurricanes also. Um,
no. And in, you know, lots of experience

1071
01:23:17,600 --> 01:23:26,000
with the um the Adonis bronze, anchoring
those in incredible ways. Um, all of

1072
01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:29,840
that will be part of the gift that comes
from the private sector. So, it's the

1073
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:33,199
it's the sculptures, it's the pedestal,
it's the installation, everything that

1074
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:37,120
kind of goes with it. They go they go
deep enough into the ground past that

1075
01:23:35,120 --> 01:23:40,480
frost point and everything. So, they're
they're they're solid.

1076
01:23:38,639 --> 01:23:44,159
» Have you have you seen those?
>> Yes, I have. I just some other people

1077
01:23:42,480 --> 01:23:45,920
had had concerns, so I thought I would
just

1078
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:49,120
» So, we have we have sculptures already
at at the Alpine Art Center. Have you

1079
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:52,159
ever had any issues with vandalism
there? And I know they're all throughout

1080
01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:54,800
Utah.
>> People climb on.

1081
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:58,239
» People can do it, but I don't think it's
going to be a draw.

1082
01:23:55,679 --> 01:24:02,880
» Yeah. the the the the scariest part that
we have that we've talked about just a

1083
01:24:00,639 --> 01:24:07,679
little bit with Shane was, you know,
that we were afraid that we're setting

1084
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:10,719
up a buffet for deer.
>> Um, and so

1085
01:24:08,880 --> 01:24:16,000
» dear love this block for some reason.
>> So there there may be an additional

1086
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:20,239
giving opportunity that is put on our
list that has to do with the fence.

1087
01:24:18,080 --> 01:24:24,080
» So just just a heads up, but we'll bring
that back to you if that's the case.

1088
01:24:21,679 --> 01:24:29,840
Right. And then timeline wise, I know at
one point the discussion was October. We

1089
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:32,400
were going to, but now, as far as I
understand, we're going to wait till

1090
01:24:30,800 --> 01:24:34,800
maybe the spring and once we have a
percentage of the money committed. Is

1091
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:40,719
that correct?
>> Yes. Um, and so the next slide. Um,

1092
01:24:38,960 --> 01:24:42,719
where is it? It's just past that.
>> I did have questions about the garden.

1093
01:24:42,239 --> 01:24:46,719
If you
>> Oh, sorry. Were we just talking about

1094
01:24:44,080 --> 01:24:51,120
the garden? I apologize. You can the
timeline.

1095
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:55,600
» Okay. Um, I I bringing up the deer. I
know I have a list that I utilize for

1096
01:24:53,520 --> 01:24:59,360
deer resistant and I know you're
familiar because you do great work here

1097
01:24:57,040 --> 01:25:02,880
in Utah all the time. Are is there a
general trend towards using deer

1098
01:25:00,960 --> 01:25:06,239
resistant like boxwoods and junipers?
They don't eat.

1099
01:25:03,679 --> 01:25:10,639
» Yeah, they will not eat those. And um
the only thing I put in the garden that

1100
01:25:08,159 --> 01:25:16,400
the deer would eat. There are just a few
roses to complement the red in the in

1101
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:20,800
our in the rotunda because we need that
red color. Um but that is the only thing

1102
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:22,880
in there. There's the peonies they won't
eat. Everything else they're not

1103
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,440
touching.
>> Perfect.

1104
01:25:23,600 --> 01:25:29,120
» As far as Well, they might eat it. I
have to say that because I'm not a deer.

1105
01:25:27,199 --> 01:25:33,199
But I just It's really weird because
I've actually planted a lot on your

1106
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:36,159
hillside and the deer have eaten some
things they don't normally eat on one

1107
01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:40,320
side of the hill and not on the other.
So, it I can say that they I don't know

1108
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:44,719
if they will or they won't, but they're
not supposed to. Let's just say that.

1109
01:25:42,960 --> 01:25:47,199
» The the operative word is resistant
because nothing is deerroof. Exactly.

1110
01:25:46,320 --> 01:25:54,239
Right.
>> Not even offense. Okay. Um, the other

1111
01:25:50,480 --> 01:25:58,880
thing was that caught my eye cuz I um I
went to Europe and I discovered that I'm

1112
01:25:56,639 --> 01:26:03,120
an English gardener, meaning I let
nature take the lead, but my husband is

1113
01:26:01,040 --> 01:26:08,239
a French gardener, so everything is
squared off and like and so if you go

1114
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:12,880
back to this slide, the um maintainable
edges, can you speak to me about what

1115
01:26:10,800 --> 01:26:17,520
does that mean to you as far as
maintenance goes? Maintainable edges.

1116
01:26:15,199 --> 01:26:21,520
» Yes. So, we do have some hedges in here.
Also, a very clean I feel like when you

1117
01:26:19,840 --> 01:26:25,520
have something that's done one time,
it's one and done rather than having to

1118
01:26:23,440 --> 01:26:29,040
go back over and over and over. When you
have plants that are coming up all over

1119
01:26:27,199 --> 01:26:32,480
a perennial, which would be more English
to be honest, I know because the English

1120
01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:35,440
is maintenance. Let's talk about it as
that in those words. It's a maintenance

1121
01:26:33,920 --> 01:26:39,040
thing. You have a lot more maintenance
that goes into an English garden than

1122
01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:42,159
you do a French garden just because of
how many plants they usually use that

1123
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:49,440
are diverse,
>> right? So maintainable edges, is that

1124
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:53,120
including like even um the turf edges or
are you talking about specifically like

1125
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:56,639
the hedges? Like what what does that
mean to you? Like edges, maintainable

1126
01:26:55,760 --> 01:27:02,719
hedges.
>> So um for instance, I really try to to

1127
01:27:00,159 --> 01:27:06,080
um plant the garden beds so that there
are a lot of the same things planted in

1128
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:09,840
the same area.
>> Okay.

1129
01:27:06,400 --> 01:27:14,960
» So let's say hydrangeas, the d the
droughtresistant hydrangeas. um planting

1130
01:27:13,040 --> 01:27:18,880
masses of them in one area so they can
be cut back at one time. They can be

1131
01:27:17,040 --> 01:27:20,159
hedged back. That's a maintainable edge
to me in that way.

1132
01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:23,040
» Okay.
>> Does that make sense?

1133
01:27:21,120 --> 01:27:28,000
» Yes. Yes. I just want to make sure that
I was connecting the dots because

1134
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:30,800
trimming is a big discussion item in our
home. So,

1135
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:34,480
» just want to make sure it's easy because
those that love straight lines, it needs

1136
01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:39,440
to be easy. And I planted all the wrong
things for the French gardener. I really

1137
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:43,280
did. So, I've learned now. But just
especially also around the rotunda area

1138
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:46,639
making sure that it's complimementaryary
when you're walking all the way around

1139
01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:50,080
it you're seeing similar things yet okay
there's different sculptures so there's

1140
01:27:48,320 --> 01:27:53,679
different thing different ways to have
those same items

1141
01:27:51,199 --> 01:27:59,440
» display okay that is good to know
because um there is concern that our our

1142
01:27:57,679 --> 01:28:03,600
staff what is their what is their
commitment to maintain the garden and so

1143
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:06,480
that's I told them that we've we've
talked about this from the very

1144
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:09,840
beginning so want to make sure we
brought that up in the public meeting

1145
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:13,440
and So we can get the word out to the
staff that they're not going to like

1146
01:28:11,280 --> 01:28:17,600
just be trimming and weeding and like
live live in our little sculpture garden

1147
01:28:15,440 --> 01:28:20,400
because we've made it easy to care for.
>> Yeah.

1148
01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:25,120
» You know, I I know that there is in the
works um a historic committee that is

1149
01:28:22,960 --> 01:28:30,159
being formed. I I don't know the exact
name of the committee. Um but

1150
01:28:27,526 --> 01:28:34,800
[clears throat] uh uh wasn't it just
>> wasn't just Arts and his mother

1151
01:28:32,159 --> 01:28:37,760
» are actually serving on that and they're
looking forward to

1152
01:28:37,199 --> 01:28:39,920
» Yes.
>> tending to property like this,

1153
01:28:39,600 --> 01:28:43,520
» right?
>> So there's a volunteer force that wants

1154
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:49,280
to get involved with this as well.
>> Yeah, it's super exciting. Um um I I

1155
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:53,360
recently watched a program which I'll
I'll share in a different setting but

1156
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:56,880
where we saw the finished product of
Emily's work and so I think it will give

1157
01:28:55,120 --> 01:29:01,840
you guys a really good idea of what
she's talking about the the consistency

1158
01:28:59,440 --> 01:29:05,920
of the same plants and those type of
things to get a really consistent feel

1159
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:09,920
and that it's easier to maintain because
like I guess you're saying you go out

1160
01:29:07,840 --> 01:29:14,080
there once and everything's done once
instead of those this idea of blooming

1161
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:18,719
all year long. you've got all this stuff
to take care of all year long whereas

1162
01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:22,080
there just one fell swoop you can get
things cleaned up or whatever.

1163
01:29:20,239 --> 01:29:26,639
» Well, and that's tricky because you also
need to have something that is peing

1164
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:32,320
interest through the seasons, right? So,
it is tricky but by having a repetition

1165
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:35,840
for hope that the way I put everything
in it should that should be able to be

1166
01:29:34,639 --> 01:29:38,000
maintainable. Okay.
>> It doesn't mean it's maintenanceree but

1167
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:43,040
it's maintainable.
>> Right. Right. As as good as as close as

1168
01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:49,120
we can get to. Thank you. That was very
helpful. And again, it's really

1169
01:29:44,639 --> 01:29:53,199
exciting. Um, very exciting.
>> Just along those lines, it'll be awesome

1170
01:29:51,040 --> 01:29:57,040
to have some help with like a
maintenance plan because we don't really

1171
01:29:55,280 --> 01:30:03,040
have a gardener on staff. We don't have
a forester. You know, I'm sure in my

1172
01:30:00,480 --> 01:30:08,480
mind anyway, trimming stuff off at the
right point in time and and in the right

1173
01:30:06,000 --> 01:30:12,880
place and not overdoing it is very
important to have it look beautiful. I I

1174
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:17,440
think the Thanksgiving point I think
>> yeah our our guys probably couldn't make

1175
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:19,920
it look that nice. [laughter]
>> So some

1176
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:22,480
» it's more complicated than it looks as
I've learned.

1177
01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:25,040
» Yeah, they they do an awesome job. So
we'll need help.

1178
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:28,000
» So if we could have a maintenance plan.
I wrote that out.

1179
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:32,320
» Perfect. Thank you so much. You're
welcome.

1180
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:38,480
» I think Andrew did you have
>> Go ahead. Bob Well, just the the two

1181
01:30:36,159 --> 01:30:45,840
final Well, the three final slides,
right? So, so this right here is a big

1182
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:51,440
significant um help I think. Um and I
appreciate Shane um staying with me,

1183
01:30:49,040 --> 01:30:57,199
continuing to kind of bring this topic
up about how much money needs to be

1184
01:30:54,159 --> 01:31:03,199
raised before it triggers the excavation
or some other site prep, right? Um, and

1185
01:31:00,560 --> 01:31:08,719
so, uh, we [clears throat] actually came
to an understanding that look, um, let's

1186
01:31:06,400 --> 01:31:12,159
just say we're not going to touch this
property.

1187
01:31:10,239 --> 01:31:17,920
We'll be doing a lot of things off the
property, but we won't we won't do

1188
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:25,840
anything until the new year. Um, and so
what we're going to end up having is 90%

1189
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:33,199
of the money in January. Um, we're
already at 56% or not booked, but

1190
01:31:30,000 --> 01:31:40,159
Right. Um and so I think what this does
is it um allows kind of the city to take

1191
01:31:36,960 --> 01:31:45,040
a take a breath. Um it ensures that
there won't be egg on anyone's face that

1192
01:31:42,719 --> 01:31:49,360
the project has the funding to go
forward. And so I I just wanted to share

1193
01:31:47,600 --> 01:31:55,120
with you that that we've made an
adjustment just this week um that these

1194
01:31:51,920 --> 01:32:01,440
two conditions need to be met. Um
weather ready

1195
01:31:57,199 --> 01:32:05,840
um at or above 90% that's raised. Um and
it'll be in the new year as soon as as

1196
01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:11,120
soon as the weather permits. It means
we're going to scramble. Um but um if

1197
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:14,480
that is the best way to do it, then
we'll do that.

1198
01:32:12,639 --> 01:32:20,320
» And and Lon was in here with Bob
yesterday and he gave what I thought was

1199
01:32:17,199 --> 01:32:22,480
some great advice in that area. And I
think that's

1200
01:32:21,520 --> 01:32:24,880
» that's helpful
>> help,

1201
01:32:24,400 --> 01:32:27,920
» you know,
>> for sure

1202
01:32:25,440 --> 01:32:30,000
» these guys come to that decision. So, it
wasn't my decision. It's about what to

1203
01:32:29,360 --> 01:32:34,239
say.
>> Oh, for sure.

1204
01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:37,440
» Okay, sir. Did you have more questions?
>> No, that actually answered my question.

1205
01:32:35,920 --> 01:32:42,800
» Thanks for doing it. Just gratitude.
Thanks, Lawn, for helping. I hope your

1206
01:32:39,199 --> 01:32:47,040
surgery went well. Um, and uh, no, I
just I'm We're really grateful. This is

1207
01:32:45,199 --> 01:32:52,159
Some people don't understand or they
don't know that these types of things

1208
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:57,360
cement for generations
uh, our heritage, our identity. um it's

1209
01:32:54,880 --> 01:33:01,280
done through art that endures a really
long time. So, thank you. Look forward

1210
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:06,480
to supporting it.
Oh, and if uh the tree is an issue,

1211
01:33:04,639 --> 01:33:11,120
uh I bet you could get around that in
two ways. Utilizing the wood or I think

1212
01:33:09,520 --> 01:33:13,280
that's a fine. Do you Are you okay with
that idea?

1213
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:17,120
» I mean, that's a great idea.
>> I mean, of things.

1214
01:33:15,280 --> 01:33:21,120
» It is an asht tree, though. I looked at
it. It doesn't have the greatest quality

1215
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:26,080
wood. It grows fast and
>> you can build like benches or something.

1216
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:28,239
» So, we'll we'll take that offline. Sorry
to digress. Sorry.

1217
01:33:27,440 --> 01:33:31,920
» Thank you for all your
>> If you want me to say ash trees right

1218
01:33:30,159 --> 01:33:36,639
now, they're not even allowing us to
plant them. I not coming out of right

1219
01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:40,159
now they're they're struggling and um
because in in Colorado right now they're

1220
01:33:39,964 --> 01:33:44,639
» [clears throat]
>> um they are dying and they're dying in

1221
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:48,960
large population. So, FYI there it's a
harder tree.

1222
01:33:47,280 --> 01:33:52,880
This has been a motion. Any other
>> question? Tough topics. [laughter]

1223
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:54,880
» No further questions. I'll entertain a
motion.

1224
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:58,719
» I move to approve the sculpture garden
planting, irrigation, and lighting plan.

1225
01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:01,600
» Is there a second?
>> I'll second it.

1226
01:33:59,760 --> 01:34:06,159
» Okay. Move by Councilman Rumler,
seconded by Councilman Young. If there's

1227
01:34:04,159 --> 01:34:08,880
no further discussions, we'll proceed
with the roll call vote.

1228
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:12,159
» Drew Young, yes. Brent Rumler, yes.
>> Sir Blackwell, yes.

1229
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:17,955
» Chrissy Henman, yes.
>> Okay, motion passes. Let's move on to

1230
01:34:14,480 --> 01:34:19,975
the Moy Park landscaping plan.
[applause]

1231
01:34:21,440 --> 01:34:30,400
» Okay. Um it's on a different landscape
project.

1232
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:37,760
Uh so we've been working on improvements
at Moy Park uh for a while now. We uh

1233
01:34:34,639 --> 01:34:41,679
last fall we completed the new curbon
gutter and the parking areas and all the

1234
01:34:39,920 --> 01:34:48,159
asphalt and kind of got all the lines
set up to accept landscape.

1235
01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:53,840
Um so uh the mayor worked with a
volunteer to actually put a planning

1236
01:34:50,239 --> 01:35:00,080
plan together that we wanted to bring um
for consideration for approval from the

1237
01:34:56,480 --> 01:35:02,960
council. Um
there's a little bit of a timing thing.

1238
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:09,280
We're trying to include this as a
project for the day of service, which is

1239
01:35:05,040 --> 01:35:14,400
September 12th this year. Um there's a
few times we had volunteers help. Uh

1240
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:19,840
first major one I remember was Creekide
Park. We had a lot of residents come and

1241
01:35:16,400 --> 01:35:24,400
help plant trees. Um we purchased them
inhouse to save money and then had

1242
01:35:21,840 --> 01:35:28,320
volunteers help plant them. They enjoyed
that. And then we did a a project on the

1243
01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:34,000
day of service a few years ago with
roundabout uh the roundabout landscaping

1244
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:36,960
and several of them commented they
really appreciated the fact that every

1245
01:35:35,520 --> 01:35:43,280
time they go through the roundabout they
can look at a plan and say I was

1246
01:35:38,639 --> 01:35:48,960
involved with planning that plant. Um so
u we brought this before you today. Um

1247
01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:52,800
some of the stuff on that plan is a
little bit hard to read. You really have

1248
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:58,400
to zoom in. It's it's kind of tough. I'm
sure as a volunteer she didn't have

1249
01:35:55,199 --> 01:36:02,400
access to everything that maybe a
someone else might have, but um if you

1250
01:36:00,880 --> 01:36:06,320
kind of read it close, you can tell
what's going on there.

1251
01:36:03,520 --> 01:36:11,120
» So, I spoke with her. This is someone
who is a master gardener and is getting

1252
01:36:09,199 --> 01:36:17,199
um her degree in landscape architect
design and this is part of one of her

1253
01:36:14,159 --> 01:36:23,679
projects and um work with her adviserss
on it. The goal was to have um I think

1254
01:36:20,400 --> 01:36:28,560
it's the same as before is that to have
something blooming throughout this

1255
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:32,400
season. Um and you know my main
directive was we want something that

1256
01:36:30,159 --> 01:36:37,120
looks nice, lowmaintenance and drought
resistant. Um and so with that

1257
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:40,120
directive, this is what they came up
with.

1258
01:36:40,800 --> 01:36:49,040
» Yeah. And then um just kind of along
with that uh there's a a few other

1259
01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:51,760
things um for consideration in the park.
Um

1260
01:36:50,560 --> 01:36:56,000
first [clears throat] of all, we planned
some fencing. There's that solid fencing

1261
01:36:53,920 --> 01:37:02,960
on the west side as you come into the
park. Um continuing that north and then

1262
01:36:59,679 --> 01:37:09,040
over on the other side of the the
entrance as well. Um, there are a couple

1263
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:12,560
of gates
that

1264
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:19,040
go into the backyards of private
property. The one doesn't look like it's

1265
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:26,719
been used for a long long time. Um, the
other one I I know that they do use it

1266
01:37:23,199 --> 01:37:30,000
and so it might be something that we'll
have to deal with, you know, in moving

1267
01:37:28,400 --> 01:37:34,400
this fence portion of the project
forward.

1268
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:38,000
Uh Shane, it's it's not the property
owners. It's the Moy Park fence that has

1269
01:37:36,880 --> 01:37:42,239
a opening.
>> I don't know. I'm assuming the city put

1270
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:46,159
the fence the the fence has been in as
long as I've been around.

1271
01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:50,480
» Um I don't know.
>> Maybe we just ask them before.

1272
01:37:48,159 --> 01:37:54,320
» Yeah. I don't know who I don't know if
the city put it in. I don't know if

1273
01:37:52,480 --> 01:37:57,760
» it looks like the both uh both sides of
the road have the same fence. So I would

1274
01:37:56,239 --> 01:38:02,400
assume it was a city project.
>> I know your mother-in-law would know. I

1275
01:37:59,360 --> 01:38:04,400
wish she was still here to tell us.
>> Yeah,

1276
01:38:02,800 --> 01:38:06,960
» maybe someone you she knows or someone
else could tell us,

1277
01:38:05,440 --> 01:38:14,880
» right?
So, let's see that. There's that. Um uh

1278
01:38:12,080 --> 01:38:18,880
I was at a meeting at Oram City recently
and they have their new city hall and

1279
01:38:17,440 --> 01:38:24,080
it's very modern. It's different than
this, but I saw something there that I

1280
01:38:20,639 --> 01:38:30,320
thought could work really well here. Um
it's

1281
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:34,639
they've taken um like metal put metal
borders in and then they have this

1282
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:39,600
gravel that's compacted so hard it's
almost like concrete but not quite but

1283
01:38:37,119 --> 01:38:43,760
it's very like you're not rubbing it off
your feet every time you walk through

1284
01:38:41,119 --> 01:38:49,520
it. I thought it was pretty neat the way
they put it in there in this very formal

1285
01:38:46,400 --> 01:38:53,600
setting. Um so I took Lannon over there.
We looked at it and we think something

1286
01:38:51,600 --> 01:38:59,440
like this may be passed going up the
cabins. Um, which was part of the plan

1287
01:38:56,719 --> 01:39:04,639
that I also included in the packet.
Maybe not in that exact configuration,

1288
01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:08,639
but something like that I think could
could be good. And I think it would help

1289
01:39:06,719 --> 01:39:12,080
keep the weeds down in some of that
area, too.

1290
01:39:10,560 --> 01:39:15,679
» Can you point to that area with your
mouse? I don't know exactly what you're

1291
01:39:13,760 --> 01:39:20,400
speaking. Yeah. The little trails kind
of up on the north end but below the

1292
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:23,440
caretaker house over by the little
cabins.

1293
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:26,320
» Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Kind of over in there. Yeah.

1294
01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:31,280
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

1295
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:36,159
Um so there's that. Uh the plan also
called for some split rail fence. This

1296
01:39:34,239 --> 01:39:41,760
would be just like the stuff at the
poppies. Um but it makes sense to get

1297
01:39:39,520 --> 01:39:46,880
some of this other stuff in before that
goes in so it's not in the way.

1298
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:51,840
Um,
let's see. A resident donated a couple

1299
01:39:48,800 --> 01:39:56,800
of uh pieces of antique farm equipment.
Um,

1300
01:39:53,520 --> 01:40:01,360
it's not been moved up there yet, but um
the thought was to maybe put it in kind

1301
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:04,480
of that circle area.
If you want to look at it, it's over on

1302
01:40:02,719 --> 01:40:10,560
Red Pine Drive. You probably walk by it
all the time.

1303
01:40:06,400 --> 01:40:16,560
» There's also some on the um Alpine
Oh, come on. art center property. That's

1304
01:40:14,719 --> 01:40:19,840
there's Oh, yeah. There's out along
their back. Not that you're looking for

1305
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:22,880
donations, but
>> but there's some out there.

1306
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:24,719
» There is more. It's coming out of the
weeds. Oh,

1307
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:28,239
» really?
>> Literally.

1308
01:40:25,440 --> 01:40:34,880
» Yeah. Okay. Uh we still need to stripe
the parking lot. Uh there's two entrance

1309
01:40:32,639 --> 01:40:40,239
signs. It feels like one of those could
come out and still say the same thing if

1310
01:40:38,400 --> 01:40:42,800
somebody wanted to give their opinion on
which one should stay.

1311
01:40:41,520 --> 01:40:45,760
» Kaden, can you go up to
>> I hope you won't be offended, but have

1312
01:40:44,239 --> 01:40:49,440
you done a swept analysis on your
parking lot?

1313
01:40:48,239 --> 01:40:52,080
» I'm sure it's 100%.
>> Come on, Jason. Where's the laugh? There

1314
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:59,679
he's laughing.
>> Angle parking. There's a good turnaround

1315
01:40:54,000 --> 01:41:04,719
up there. Um I'm sure it's it's great.
Uh let's see.

1316
01:41:02,159 --> 01:41:12,560
And then um
we had a suggestion there's a large tree

1317
01:41:08,000 --> 01:41:18,080
that's just directly south of the cabins
that maybe that could get taken out and

1318
01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:21,679
give more visibility to those cabins and
just a couple things like that. So

1319
01:41:20,239 --> 01:41:25,440
there's some things on the table. The
one we're really kind of focused on

1320
01:41:23,360 --> 01:41:32,400
right now is trying to get the planning
plan um approved so that we can um you

1321
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:36,159
know have that as part of that day of
service.

1322
01:41:33,760 --> 01:41:40,400
» Does anybody have questions? Oh my gosh,
we might be done.

1323
01:41:38,320 --> 01:41:47,199
» So why [snorts] why can you just remind
us why this this improvement was

1324
01:41:44,880 --> 01:41:51,600
a priority when we're doing the park
master plan and put up other park

1325
01:41:49,199 --> 01:41:58,960
projects?
Um it's been something that's been on

1326
01:41:54,320 --> 01:42:05,440
the table for quite a while actually.
>> We also have a donation specifically for

1327
01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:10,880
this park and so with um the 911
>> day of service coming. Um but yeah, this

1328
01:42:08,239 --> 01:42:12,639
is the plan's been in the works for a
long time.

1329
01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:17,440
» Yeah, I know we talked about it the last
city council. It's been a long time. No,

1330
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:20,800
I mean I think this um this plan itself
we've been working on since last summer

1331
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:25,520
asking her to work on it.
>> So I mean the prior city council.

1332
01:42:22,480 --> 01:42:29,040
» Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. and then um just was
waiting for her to get the right class

1333
01:42:27,119 --> 01:42:35,679
to be able to implement it all and to
have the um help of her adviserss

1334
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:39,520
um with what we had suggested and what
we needed mainly that it be low

1335
01:42:37,440 --> 01:42:44,639
maintenance that we wanted it to be you
know to look good and you know and so

1336
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:50,320
she um felt more comfortable doing it
with her adviserss and so we had to wait

1337
01:42:46,639 --> 01:42:54,400
till she had that class and so then um
along with everything else really the

1338
01:42:52,480 --> 01:42:58,080
and because of the money coming through
and with 911 day of service, we're

1339
01:42:56,159 --> 01:43:02,719
actually going to have people and I'm
with Shane. I've had several people go,

1340
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:07,360
you know, my kids help plant those and
it's so cool that they're thriving now,

1341
01:43:05,199 --> 01:43:11,119
you know, and so we figured this would
be a similar opportunity that, you know,

1342
01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:15,360
they can drive by and say, "Hey, you
know, I help with this." So, it's just a

1343
01:43:12,960 --> 01:43:19,440
great way to get the community involved.
>> Have you considered involving the Moyal

1344
01:43:17,199 --> 01:43:24,080
family? because I know they're very
>> I talked to um why can't I think of her

1345
01:43:23,119 --> 01:43:30,159
name
>> I talked to Wanita and um obviously you

1346
01:43:28,560 --> 01:43:34,800
know I'm going to talk to Kathleen I see
Suzanne here so yes you can come and

1347
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:39,040
make a comment in just a second um but
no I talked to Wanita because she's the

1348
01:43:36,400 --> 01:43:43,679
one that usually has um since Kathleen's
passing and even before um one you know

1349
01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:48,719
she's the one that I've been in contact
with the most about Mo Park she'll like

1350
01:43:45,920 --> 01:43:54,639
call me about specific things or if
somebody's trying to I guess with one of

1351
01:43:51,280 --> 01:43:59,679
the gates people were moving things and
there were some issues and so she called

1352
01:43:57,040 --> 01:44:04,800
um and she's a direct descendant. I told
her about this plan and she she was like

1353
01:44:02,480 --> 01:44:08,639
yeah that looks great. So
>> no I meant family to come and want

1354
01:44:06,960 --> 01:44:12,159
because they'll want to help. This is
their great great grandfather's farm.

1355
01:44:10,480 --> 01:44:16,000
Oh, you have okay that's what I meant.
Not just did she like the plant but do

1356
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:21,119
they want to help with the planting?
>> Yes. No, but yes, they will. And we've

1357
01:44:19,600 --> 01:44:25,760
been talking with a couple other staff
directly involved with the Moy Park.

1358
01:44:23,199 --> 01:44:26,560
With Moy Park, it's very um
>> Yeah.

1359
01:44:26,239 --> 01:44:30,880
» Okay.
>> Anyways, Suzanne, did you have a comment

1360
01:44:28,239 --> 01:44:37,679
that you wanted to make? Suzanne
um is a direct descendant of John Romoy.

1361
01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:43,040
She's Kathleen's sister.
>> No, she's my sister.

1362
01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:48,800
» Okay. Kathleen is her sister.
I was up to the park today

1363
01:44:46,239 --> 01:44:53,600
and um Troy was up there digging, doing
irrigation connections,

1364
01:44:51,679 --> 01:45:00,719
telling me about the planting that you
want to do. And I'm going, a bigger

1365
01:44:57,119 --> 01:45:07,199
concern for Moyal Park is not all this
roof stuff. It's putting a security

1366
01:45:03,920 --> 01:45:12,560
system on that building. One of these
days, some of your cute little teenagers

1367
01:45:09,679 --> 01:45:19,440
who blow up the toilets in Alpine City
are going to access that house and

1368
01:45:17,119 --> 01:45:26,159
it could be destructive.
So, my my feeling is put all the split

1369
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:30,560
rail fences you want in, put all the
plants you want in, they're going to die

1370
01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:35,199
anyway.
um unless you put sage brush in and

1371
01:45:33,119 --> 01:45:42,320
that's more conducive to the time
period. But my feeling is,

1372
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:48,719
you know, my sister has contributed a
large sum of money to that park. Let's

1373
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:55,679
secure the building.
Family and friends have contributed

1374
01:45:50,880 --> 01:46:01,920
valuable artifacts in that house.
And last summer we were up there, there

1375
01:45:59,280 --> 01:46:07,440
were no caretakers weren't there. You
could walk right in the house because

1376
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:08,800
the door was open. So, good luck.
>> Thank you.

1377
01:46:07,920 --> 01:46:12,000
» Thank you.
>> Good point.

1378
01:46:09,920 --> 01:46:16,560
» It's a good point.
>> Um I I do have a few questions and

1379
01:46:14,239 --> 01:46:19,920
comments. Um I have been there once
before when the house was unlocked. We

1380
01:46:18,239 --> 01:46:26,159
live really close to theirs, so my kids
and I, we enjoyed that park a lot. Um, I

1381
01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:30,080
did look up all these plants as well and
all of them are drought resistant. So,

1382
01:46:28,320 --> 01:46:34,159
I'm hoping that they won't need a ton of
water and that they won't die. But I I

1383
01:46:32,719 --> 01:46:39,199
was I think it would have been really
great if they had all been native to

1384
01:46:36,239 --> 01:46:42,159
Utah. Um, and none of them are, but
that's that's all right. I'm really

1385
01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:46,639
grateful that someone is willing to
volunteer their time to put together

1386
01:46:44,080 --> 01:46:50,639
this plan and to come and help plant
these and beautify that park. So, I I

1387
01:46:48,800 --> 01:46:56,320
appreciate that. So just so I understand
correctly all of the landscape plan are

1388
01:46:53,920 --> 01:47:00,000
the plants being donated like or just
through the donation that's what that's

1389
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:06,480
what's funding this I just want to
understand the funding side it was all

1390
01:47:02,159 --> 01:47:11,280
» all the improvements today haven't so
the donation came after the improvements

1391
01:47:09,440 --> 01:47:16,000
that have been done today so we haven't
spent any of the donation money

1392
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:19,520
» so far so it's all available
>> the planting will be part of it and then

1393
01:47:17,679 --> 01:47:23,040
I'm sure there'll be I And there's a
lot, you know,

1394
01:47:21,520 --> 01:47:27,360
can you go page above? It talked about
all the things that the improvements

1395
01:47:24,719 --> 01:47:33,520
that we wanted to do. So, we would just
need to um

1396
01:47:30,159 --> 01:47:36,639
add, you know, security on the main
house.

1397
01:47:34,480 --> 01:47:40,080
» Yeah, it's a great idea. Um I do like
the pathways that you're talking about,

1398
01:47:38,480 --> 01:47:43,920
Shane. My brother actually just
installed those exact same ones at his

1399
01:47:41,600 --> 01:47:47,280
house and they're they're awesome. Um,
and then I was just curious with there

1400
01:47:45,520 --> 01:47:51,600
are some trails kind of on the east side
if you go down little ways. Are those

1401
01:47:49,280 --> 01:47:56,639
going to be cleared out because they
used to be more

1402
01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:59,360
» finded and accessible? And I mean, I'm
happy to help with that. I'll take my

1403
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:01,600
kids over there and do it, but I didn't
know if that was a part of the plan for

1404
01:48:00,800 --> 01:48:05,679
the day.
>> It was just this area just because of

1405
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:08,560
the new asphalt and all the improvements
that they had made. Can you go up that

1406
01:48:07,119 --> 01:48:14,239
one page,
>> Kayen? Can you go up?

1407
01:48:11,199 --> 01:48:20,800
Uh so because of all the new work that
had been done with the asphalt and doing

1408
01:48:17,119 --> 01:48:24,880
all of that. Um we're just taking
advantage of the labor that we have. But

1409
01:48:23,440 --> 01:48:27,520
that's definitely something that if you
wanted to undertake, I'm sure Troy would

1410
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:29,920
work with you.
>> Okay.

1411
01:48:28,080 --> 01:48:32,960
» I'm thinking of that project list you
started too.

1412
01:48:30,960 --> 01:48:36,880
» Oh yeah. With for Alpine Youth Council.
>> Oh yeah. Okay. I'll put it I'll make

1413
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:40,400
note of that. Okay. Those are
>> even youth groups. You know, we could do

1414
01:48:38,480 --> 01:48:43,440
it on just serve and put it up there and
say, "Hey, if you guys need a service

1415
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:46,560
project, why don't you come and help
clear out the space and just do it until

1416
01:48:45,440 --> 01:48:49,440
it gets done?"
>> Yeah, that'd be great. Okay,

1417
01:48:48,560 --> 01:48:52,080
» time.
>> Thank you.

1418
01:48:50,320 --> 01:48:56,560
» Okay, any other questions?
>> Um, I I have a question regarding two

1419
01:48:54,400 --> 01:49:02,159
things. Um, I'll refer back to the
comment about security. I also had that

1420
01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:08,080
experience. Um, we had an appointment,
but due to a miscommunication, um, we

1421
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:14,560
gave ourselves a self- tour. So I I
understand your concern. That was um I

1422
01:49:11,360 --> 01:49:18,080
think we can con agree with that. The
second thing though was um we've had

1423
01:49:16,480 --> 01:49:21,440
other and Andrew's brought them to our
attention but other the historic

1424
01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:26,400
committee that we've talked about. We
have these monuments um that have been

1425
01:49:24,159 --> 01:49:29,840
established like remember that when you
talked about the cemetery. I was

1426
01:49:28,320 --> 01:49:35,040
thinking, wouldn't it be good to like
have like a more localized place for

1427
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:42,400
these monuments like rather than in the
middle of that cemetery like

1428
01:49:38,639 --> 01:49:47,840
or is this specifically geared only Moy
and anything related to him?

1429
01:49:44,880 --> 01:49:50,320
» This is pretty much
>> You need your microphone on

1430
01:49:49,679 --> 01:49:58,639
» that.
>> You need your microphone. Sorry. So, um,

1431
01:49:56,080 --> 01:50:03,920
yes, my understanding is Mo Park is
about the family and John Ro, but those

1432
01:50:02,560 --> 01:50:08,400
homes that have been put on there,
though, those weren't his. Those have

1433
01:50:06,000 --> 01:50:11,600
come from other parts of Alpine. So,
>> you know what I'm talking about. You You

1434
01:50:09,920 --> 01:50:15,679
had a monument in the middle of the new
part that is sort of lopsided and

1435
01:50:13,760 --> 01:50:20,639
falling apart. And it's like we could
have a more like

1436
01:50:17,280 --> 01:50:22,639
» the one that said you name.
>> Oh yeah.

1437
01:50:21,440 --> 01:50:25,920
» That's what she's talking about.
>> Tell me what you're referring to.

1438
01:50:24,239 --> 01:50:28,560
» Like should we relocate it here where we
have more other historic things that

1439
01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:30,880
relate back to Alpine.
>> Oh, I see. You're talking about the

1440
01:50:29,520 --> 01:50:32,880
woman's monument in the cemetery.
Bringing it here.

1441
01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:37,440
» That was just the first thing that came
to mind is that when you go here, you're

1442
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:41,360
learning all about Alpine history. And
when you go to the cemetery, you're not

1443
01:50:39,360 --> 01:50:45,119
you're you're visiting your loved ones
kind of. It's really not Alpine history

1444
01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:50,960
though. When you go there in the home,
you're learning about John Ra Moy and

1445
01:50:48,000 --> 01:50:54,960
his journey of helping with the temple
and you know his journey being here, but

1446
01:50:53,199 --> 01:50:59,199
it's not really about the history of
Alpine. It's more about

1447
01:50:56,480 --> 01:51:03,040
» General Moy and his family.
>> But to your point, there's those those

1448
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:08,800
other cabins that have been moved on
>> and um you know, the Salt Lake Temple is

1449
01:51:06,080 --> 01:51:11,040
not necessarily an alpine. So we could
and he was a pioneer.

1450
01:51:10,000 --> 01:51:15,199
» Yeah. No, I didn't say it was about
Alpine. I said it's more about John

1451
01:51:12,320 --> 01:51:17,920
Romo. It's more of a tribute to him and
the family.

1452
01:51:15,840 --> 01:51:22,080
» Yes, for sure. The house is, but there's
other things and like the farm

1453
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:28,080
equipment, too. I I'm just saying like,
should we try to make this a place with

1454
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:33,199
lots of history? The prominent most
important thing is about this particular

1455
01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:37,840
resident of Alpine, but like to have it
scattered throughout our city just

1456
01:51:34,719 --> 01:51:41,440
seemed a little disorganized. for being
an accountant, we like to think

1457
01:51:39,040 --> 01:51:44,320
categorize things. So, historic things
could go here.

1458
01:51:42,880 --> 01:51:47,119
» I think it's a good idea. I think it's
something that we can um talk to the

1459
01:51:45,760 --> 01:51:50,719
family about and see.
>> Yeah. Get their feedback for sure. Okay.

1460
01:51:49,360 --> 01:51:54,639
» Okay. Sounds good.
>> Oh, also, you had talked to us about an

1461
01:51:53,040 --> 01:51:57,360
angled parking, but we ended up with
straight.

1462
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:59,119
» No, it's angled. It's just not been
painted.

1463
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:03,760
» You really do want this one.
>> No, no, no. I really did see her. I I

1464
01:52:01,679 --> 01:52:07,040
saw the drawing and it had straight. I'm
like, what happened? You asked us about

1465
01:52:05,119 --> 01:52:10,320
the angle. I did remember that one. is
an old one.

1466
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:13,679
» That's the the the master plan is kind
of handdrawn.

1467
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:17,679
» Where is that? I'm not imagining.
>> No, it's Go one more down.

1468
01:52:15,599 --> 01:52:22,480
» It's that one. Yeah. Go down.
>> So, this one did show 90° parking

1469
01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:26,000
» and and parallel right there.
>> Yeah. And we do have some parallel

1470
01:52:24,560 --> 01:52:30,719
parking there. It's just not striped
yet. But the angle parking fit better.

1471
01:52:29,119 --> 01:52:33,760
» Right. I do I remember that whole
discussion. So, we we are doing that.

1472
01:52:32,639 --> 01:52:37,119
This is inaccurate.
>> Correct. Do we need to like note that

1473
01:52:36,080 --> 01:52:40,239
that it's inaccurate?
>> What we're approving is the

1474
01:52:38,800 --> 01:52:43,119
» this was done
>> years ago.

1475
01:52:41,440 --> 01:52:46,159
» Oh, it's already been approved.
>> And if you go back up to the other page,

1476
01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:50,000
» we're just talking about the native the
anything alive.

1477
01:52:47,599 --> 01:52:54,480
» We've been working off of this plan
>> as just kind of a concept and

1478
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:58,239
implementing different things up there.
>> Okay, then I'll stop worrying about that

1479
01:52:56,080 --> 01:53:01,840
stuff then. Thank you.
>> So, it's really just about the

1480
01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:05,520
landscaping today. So, if there's no
further questions regarding

1481
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:09,599
» Oh, since you said landscaping in when I
was doing all my um research on the

1482
01:53:07,440 --> 01:53:15,840
water conservation, they say six inches
of mulch. So, please let's have six to

1483
01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:18,239
eight inches because it deteriorates
over time.

1484
01:53:16,400 --> 01:53:21,520
» Okay. Andrew, did you have a question?
>> I just We do a motion right now, right

1485
01:53:20,719 --> 01:53:22,960
on this is
>> Yes. But do you have a question right

1486
01:53:22,719 --> 01:53:25,280
now?
>> I was going to just offer Are you all

1487
01:53:24,480 --> 01:53:28,880
okay? We
>> If you would Yes, I will entertain a

1488
01:53:27,119 --> 01:53:33,280
motion. Go ahead.
>> Okay. I was going to do some discussion

1489
01:53:30,480 --> 01:53:37,920
first. I I hope this is input from our
six city councelor. Okay, I'll do the

1490
01:53:35,679 --> 01:53:44,880
motion. Here we go. I move to approve
the Moy Pike Moy Park landscape planting

1491
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:51,560
plan with the following conditions and
changes to prioritize security first as

1492
01:53:48,080 --> 01:53:51,560
the first priority.

1493
01:53:52,960 --> 01:54:01,599
Is there a second?
Okay, the motion dies. Is there a

1494
01:53:58,320 --> 01:54:04,800
substitute? Is there another motion?
>> Andrew, I think

1495
01:54:02,960 --> 01:54:07,599
» I think the security is very important.
I just want to say I think the security

1496
01:54:06,080 --> 01:54:14,400
is very important and I think it's
something that we will do. I I know

1497
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:18,400
we'll do, but this is time is of the
essence and that we need this approved

1498
01:54:16,639 --> 01:54:22,239
so we can source these plants and have
it ready by the 12th. So to say that the

1499
01:54:21,119 --> 01:54:25,440
priority is security,
>> I can rephrase it. I can rephrase it.

1500
01:54:24,239 --> 01:54:27,280
You want me to rephrase it and just
include it as one of the uh

1501
01:54:26,960 --> 01:54:29,119
» Yes.
>> Okay. Sorry. Will you kind of take me

1502
01:54:28,480 --> 01:54:32,480
off guard? Just
>> But it's landscaping though. This is

1503
01:54:30,880 --> 01:54:34,880
only about landscaping. We don't have
anything.

1504
01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:36,639
» Can we add it? This is what I was going
to discuss. Are you all okay if we add

1505
01:54:36,159 --> 01:54:41,599
it?
>> We don't have anything on the agenda. So

1506
01:54:39,599 --> 01:54:45,840
if you we could bring it back and add
it, but like you we have all these other

1507
01:54:43,679 --> 01:54:49,599
things on it that they want to do, but
this is only for the landscaping plan.

1508
01:54:48,239 --> 01:54:53,920
» Right. Right. And I think this is good.
>> And the security on the building is

1509
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:56,000
nothing to do with it. It's not noticed,
>> right?

1510
01:54:54,480 --> 01:54:57,920
» So, you can't make a motion on something
that's not noticed.

1511
01:54:56,960 --> 01:55:02,639
» Sure. Sure. All I just
>> Let's just Let's just ask our staff now

1512
01:55:00,080 --> 01:55:06,080
to look into potential security options,
which I think they're already,

1513
01:55:04,400 --> 01:55:08,560
» right? And uh well, I was going to
discuss first. You just wanted to get it

1514
01:55:07,360 --> 01:55:12,880
done, so I went straight to the motion.
I realized it wasn't well thought out,

1515
01:55:10,080 --> 01:55:15,920
but either way, um the security is not
that expensive. We just It's

1516
01:55:15,280 --> 01:55:20,000
» No, it's not.
>> It's really easy now. It's not a thing

1517
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:23,599
of it's not going to get done, but right
now what we have noticed is the

1518
01:55:21,520 --> 01:55:27,599
landscaping plan. I'm pretty sure
Shane's going to be working on that

1519
01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:31,360
security thing as soon as possible. But
like I said with this, the reason it's

1520
01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:33,920
here is we need it approved so we can
source the plants and plan it according

1521
01:55:33,199 --> 01:55:36,639
to the plan.
>> Right. Right. I wasn't taking away any

1522
01:55:35,360 --> 01:55:39,679
of that. Wasn't
>> Okay.

1523
01:55:37,360 --> 01:55:42,239
» I think we only have the first one. Go.
>> Right. Right. Are are you all okay?

1524
01:55:41,440 --> 01:55:46,639
Because this is what was going to be the
discussion. Are we okay if we put it in

1525
01:55:43,920 --> 01:55:48,880
as because I I really uh respect what
she said and I think

1526
01:55:47,599 --> 01:55:50,880
» I think we all do. We're all in
agreement.

1527
01:55:49,199 --> 01:55:53,760
» So, how can how can we include it in
some way that

1528
01:55:52,080 --> 01:55:57,199
» we I will work with Shane. That's a
directive that we'll have.

1529
01:55:55,280 --> 01:56:01,360
» But this is only about landscaping
security of the building has nothing to

1530
01:55:59,599 --> 01:56:04,639
do with the landscaping and that's
what's noticed to the public that we're

1531
01:56:02,960 --> 01:56:06,719
going to be making a decision on today.
>> I understand.

1532
01:56:05,199 --> 01:56:10,000
» But I think the security be, you know,
as you said, as long as it's below a

1533
01:56:08,400 --> 01:56:12,239
certain amount, we can move forward with
it.

1534
01:56:10,960 --> 01:56:16,159
» Okay.
It doesn't have to come to council to be

1535
01:56:14,159 --> 01:56:19,199
approved. I wonder what's the limit.
Seven grand, five grand, 15 grand, 15.

1536
01:56:18,639 --> 01:56:21,040
» 15.
>> There are lots of great security systems

1537
01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:22,400
out there.
>> Yeah.

1538
01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:23,599
» Well, okay. Since you guys have the
motion,

1539
01:56:22,800 --> 01:56:27,119
» I'm not worried about it.
>> I'm not against any of this. I love the

1540
01:56:25,440 --> 01:56:30,400
Moyal family. I love the park. I think
anything we can do to beautify it, to

1541
01:56:28,639 --> 01:56:32,239
get our kids to never forget it,
constantly go up.

1542
01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:35,119
» Did you have a motion?
>> I'll move to approve the Moy Park

1543
01:56:33,599 --> 01:56:37,920
landscape planting plan.
>> Okay. Is there a second?

1544
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:41,520
» I'll second that.
>> It's been moved by Councilman Remler,

1545
01:56:39,360 --> 01:56:46,400
seconded by Councilwoman Blackwell. Any
further discussion on the motion?

1546
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:49,520
» If not, we'll proceed with the roll.
>> Just follow up on the security one.

1547
01:56:48,159 --> 01:56:51,440
Andrew Young, yes.
>> Brent Roma, yes.

1548
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:55,199
» Sarah Blackwell, yes.
>> Chrissy Edamman, yes.

1549
01:56:52,960 --> 01:57:00,159
» Okay, motion passes.
>> I'd like to make a motion.

1550
01:56:57,840 --> 01:57:03,760
I move that we go into close session to
discuss land acquisition.

1551
01:57:02,560 --> 01:57:07,679
» Is there a second?
>> Mayor, were we going to talk about item

1552
01:57:05,760 --> 01:57:10,480
D from the work session before we did
that?

1553
01:57:08,400 --> 01:57:15,840
» Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm sorry. Yes,
we will do that. Um Shane, if you want

1554
01:57:13,119 --> 01:57:20,960
to talk about the PI system.
>> Yeah, so

1555
01:57:17,840 --> 01:57:28,880
we've been uh we've discussed a few
times the different projects uh that are

1556
01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:33,360
proposed uh that we bond for. Um so
there's been a couple of developments

1557
01:57:30,719 --> 01:57:37,679
that have came along. Um they would
require likely some cost from the city.

1558
01:57:35,840 --> 01:57:42,480
one for sure, the other one with the
development agreement, we might be able

1559
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:49,840
to do something different, but but there
will be um a cost to those projects. So,

1560
01:57:46,080 --> 01:57:53,920
the first one is the uh the page
property has been moving forward and

1561
01:57:51,599 --> 01:58:02,400
they're working um very close to
approval, I believe. Um the master plan

1562
01:57:58,719 --> 01:58:07,840
showed the 24 inch line going from Ridge
Drive to Red Pine Drive to Main Street

1563
01:58:05,360 --> 01:58:14,400
along Maine to First South and then back
up by cutting through this project. Um

1564
01:58:11,840 --> 01:58:18,480
we'd save a ton of money. We wouldn't be
digging up asphalt. We wouldn't be going

1565
01:58:16,159 --> 01:58:23,040
through utility conflicts.
Um all those kinds of things. So the

1566
01:58:21,280 --> 01:58:30,000
cheapest way to put that section of the
pipe is pre-development. Um so it's a

1567
01:58:26,960 --> 01:58:35,440
timing thing and so we believe that that
should be considered um as part of our

1568
01:58:33,760 --> 01:58:42,320
kind of our group of projects for
bonding. Uh the other one is is if this

1569
01:58:39,599 --> 01:58:49,040
uh property below the Healey well moves
forward u we should be looking at it the

1570
01:58:44,880 --> 01:58:54,000
same way. Um, so if we acquire that
easement, we put that in. Again, it's

1571
01:58:51,679 --> 01:58:58,400
not in the asphalt, it'll be the
cheapest way we could ever do it. So,

1572
01:58:56,639 --> 01:59:01,920
» Jane, I wanted to get Oh, I'll wait my
turn. Go ahead.

1573
01:58:59,840 --> 01:59:09,280
» Uh, thanks for the foresight. I I
completely agree. Thank you.

1574
01:59:04,960 --> 01:59:12,719
» Yes, I agree. I um if I understand
correctly based off our conversation

1575
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:17,920
earlier and what you just said is we can
we're going to work on these in tandem

1576
01:59:15,199 --> 01:59:22,880
with also still pursuing some of
>> that's what we're suggesting should have

1577
01:59:19,440 --> 01:59:29,679
» perfect. Thank you.
>> U remind me of the six items listed

1578
01:59:26,320 --> 01:59:34,480
here. Um the two that you're talking
about are the page development for

1579
01:59:31,760 --> 01:59:38,159
$735,000
and the Healey Well to Healey Boulevard.

1580
01:59:37,599 --> 01:59:42,800
That one.
>> Okay. The first two are the items that

1581
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:45,119
we've talked about that were roughly 9,
>> right?

1582
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:49,440
» Healey well to Healey Boulevard. So
that's from the wellhouse

1583
01:59:47,360 --> 01:59:51,679
um in this easement we discussed in the
work session.

1584
01:59:50,239 --> 01:59:55,119
» Okay. So that's the 420
>> Healey Boulevard.

1585
01:59:52,639 --> 02:00:02,639
» Okay. Uh the next one would be from that
point down to Canyon Crest, right Jason?

1586
01:59:59,040 --> 02:00:09,199
And then um the page development one
that would be from First South basically

1587
02:00:06,400 --> 02:00:12,840
to Dry Creek
or what's the

1588
02:00:13,040 --> 02:00:17,599
» Oh, sorry. The page development is just
through their property there south to

1589
02:00:16,880 --> 02:00:21,599
Red Pine.
>> Yes.

1590
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:25,599
» And then the 24 inch or sorry, yeah, the
extension

1591
02:00:22,880 --> 02:00:28,480
That would be Ridge Drive to the P.
>> Yes.

1592
02:00:26,639 --> 02:00:35,360
» So the to sorry I didn't do this first,
but the total of the last four is the

1593
02:00:31,760 --> 02:00:37,840
$3.5 million difference. Is that right?
The last four that you just talked

1594
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:43,040
about.
>> Uh about that.

1595
02:00:39,360 --> 02:00:48,719
» Okay. Thank you. So, so the last one on
this list would be the one that's not

1596
02:00:46,800 --> 02:00:52,960
absolutely necessary with these
development projects, but it would

1597
02:00:51,280 --> 02:00:58,800
connect
between two parts of the the overall

1598
02:00:56,080 --> 02:01:04,480
project, I guess. Um, I would suggest,
you know, moving forward, I'm I'm sure

1599
02:01:01,760 --> 02:01:10,800
uh with moving forward and finalizing
our parks master plan, there will be

1600
02:01:06,239 --> 02:01:15,440
some attention to Peterson Park. Um,
again, the cheapest way to put that

1601
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:21,280
section of pipe in would be to I would
suggest skirting the outside of the

1602
02:01:17,840 --> 02:01:26,480
park, no utilities to deal with, just so
much less expensive, and then pop back

1603
02:01:24,000 --> 02:01:30,480
into Red Pine Drive and and connect up
to the the line going through the Page

1604
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:36,639
property.
>> So, are any of these projects shovel

1605
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:41,920
ready? Uh we have uh plans what would
you say 80 or 90% for

1606
02:01:40,239 --> 02:01:46,239
» about that 80 to 90%
>> Haley Boulevard from Canyon Crest to the

1607
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:51,679
Healey Well.
>> Is that the only one that shovel ready?

1608
02:01:48,080 --> 02:01:54,159
» That's the only one. The others
I mean they shouldn't take a ton of

1609
02:01:53,679 --> 02:01:56,719
time,
>> right? And the page development they'll

1610
02:01:56,159 --> 02:01:58,560
be
>> Yeah,

1611
02:01:57,119 --> 02:02:04,159
» they'll be ready as soon as that's
ready. So

1612
02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:08,960
» So if we can get maybe the Healey well
to Healey Boulevard and then maybe even

1613
02:02:06,000 --> 02:02:13,760
the page development if we can get but
they're wanting to move on that quickly,

1614
02:02:10,719 --> 02:02:17,520
right? The 24 in extension. Is there any
way we can get that shovel ready and try

1615
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:19,199
to get it in for You know what I'm
talking about, right?

1616
02:02:18,400 --> 02:02:22,000
» Yeah.
>> If we can get it in for that grant, that

1617
02:02:20,960 --> 02:02:26,159
would be fantastic.
>> Yeah. And that's the other component.

1618
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:31,679
There's we found some potential funding
that even if they only pay for the pipe,

1619
02:02:29,760 --> 02:02:35,040
it has this funding has to be used by
the end of the year.

1620
02:02:33,119 --> 02:02:40,480
Um, but if we can work this in and even
if they just pay for the pipe, it would

1621
02:02:37,119 --> 02:02:44,960
be something. So, um, we'll work that,
continue to work that angle, too.

1622
02:02:43,119 --> 02:02:50,800
» Can you remind me how these bonds work?
Do we get the like a lump sum

1623
02:02:48,719 --> 02:02:54,320
so that being shovel ready is critical
so that the money isn't sitting there

1624
02:02:52,719 --> 02:02:57,679
charging us interest that we haven't
utilized or how does that all work?

1625
02:02:55,840 --> 02:03:00,960
» The shovel ready is more related to the
grants, but I mean, it kind of relates

1626
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:04,239
» this
>> to

1627
02:03:02,639 --> 02:03:09,199
Yeah, this isn't just the construction
costs. It's also the engineering that's

1628
02:03:07,520 --> 02:03:12,480
involved. And so that's what helps it
get it shovel ready.

1629
02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:16,480
» I didn't know which pro if any of these
were shovel ready other than the Healey

1630
02:03:14,560 --> 02:03:22,159
Well to Healey Boulevard connection.
>> Yes. So, so the project we did last

1631
02:03:19,119 --> 02:03:27,199
fall, we had Horox do the surveying from
Canyon Crest up to the the driveway to

1632
02:03:24,880 --> 02:03:32,960
the Healey Well. We had them include
that in the survey with everything else

1633
02:03:28,960 --> 02:03:37,119
in Canyon Crest. And our thought was the
plan was to do it this spring, not in

1634
02:03:35,360 --> 02:03:42,239
the fall. And we thought, we have this
grant money. If this project comes in

1635
02:03:39,760 --> 02:03:47,520
way cheaper than we anticipate, we'll
have this other section ready and we can

1636
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:51,920
maybe get it into. And then we kind of
switched gears and did it in the fall,

1637
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:55,280
but the cost fell kind of in line with
the grant we had, so we just we just

1638
02:03:54,159 --> 02:03:58,320
stopped there.
>> I see.

1639
02:03:55,760 --> 02:04:01,040
» But we still have those plans available.
>> Okay. Okay, that work's been mostly

1640
02:04:00,080 --> 02:04:07,199
done.
>> So, can you scroll up one more time? Go

1641
02:04:04,239 --> 02:04:13,760
backwards. So, are we saying that um
we're increasing the bond by this much

1642
02:04:10,159 --> 02:04:17,679
or just we're going to use a mixture of
grant bonding and fund balance or

1643
02:04:16,239 --> 02:04:23,520
something to pay for the full
>> I would say. Yes, I I would say

1644
02:04:21,040 --> 02:04:27,440
potentially plan on more in the bond,
>> but I think on this particular grant, we

1645
02:04:26,159 --> 02:04:29,360
will know
>> like soon.

1646
02:04:28,880 --> 02:04:34,159
» Okay.
>> If we can get something which will help.

1647
02:04:31,520 --> 02:04:38,560
So it's it's not set in stone one in one
way because because as we know grants

1648
02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:42,960
are dependent on other
>> grants. Sometimes these developments

1649
02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:47,679
come along and you know they get started
and then they stall out for a couple

1650
02:04:45,119 --> 02:04:52,080
years or whatever. And so it was kind of
in limbo but it it really looks like

1651
02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:56,480
they're ready to move forward. So that's
why we're bringing this now.

1652
02:04:54,400 --> 02:05:00,639
» And and just to confirm these additional
projects are not taking away from the

1653
02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:03,920
ones that Horox Okay. We're not
suggesting that.

1654
02:05:01,360 --> 02:05:10,080
» Yeah. I just want Okay, that's
>> is the whole what was it? The buildout

1655
02:05:07,199 --> 02:05:14,159
that it's part of phase two that we have
been continually working on in phases.

1656
02:05:12,800 --> 02:05:18,639
And the reason that they're doing this
is take advantage of. It's just

1657
02:05:16,800 --> 02:05:21,840
situational, right? They're developing.
It's they're going to have raw land.

1658
02:05:20,080 --> 02:05:25,599
It'll be super easy to pipe it through
as opposed to going all the way back

1659
02:05:23,840 --> 02:05:28,960
down through the roundabout down Main
Street and go back up again just to end

1660
02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:33,040
up in the same place when we can go
straight through.

1661
02:05:30,159 --> 02:05:36,639
» And so it will save us a lot of money in
the long run.

1662
02:05:34,080 --> 02:05:40,000
» Yeah, that's if you do it as a crowsly,
it's very direct and we needed to move

1663
02:05:38,719 --> 02:05:42,960
quickly on it so we're not delaying
their project. They're being very nice

1664
02:05:41,840 --> 02:05:45,440
to let us do this.
>> Yeah, they've been great to work with on

1665
02:05:44,960 --> 02:05:46,480
it.
>> Good.

1666
02:05:45,840 --> 02:05:50,000
» So,
>> okay. Okay.

1667
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:53,199
» Okay, I'll go. I haven't gone yet.
>> Did you go?

1668
02:05:51,119 --> 02:05:57,520
» Um, oh, I just wanted to ask one other
question. What's the status of a

1669
02:05:55,599 --> 02:06:00,320
potential rate study? Or maybe that
should come later. Maybe that's another

1670
02:05:59,119 --> 02:06:06,480
discussion.
>> I can answer that. So, uh,

1671
02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:11,280
on on PI,
we need to know what our projects are

1672
02:06:09,520 --> 02:06:16,800
that are on the horizon. So, we have
that number to plug in to the

1673
02:06:13,679 --> 02:06:21,760
spreadsheet that they've created. Um, so
we're we're getting there on the

1674
02:06:19,520 --> 02:06:27,920
culinary and the sewer. Um, I actually
have a meeting with them tomorrow. Um,

1675
02:06:24,560 --> 02:06:32,800
so those are those are moving forward.
So we'll have those to council

1676
02:06:31,679 --> 02:06:33,920
this fall.
>> Great.

1677
02:06:33,280 --> 02:06:36,800
» So,
>> thank you.

1678
02:06:34,400 --> 02:06:38,400
» I'll know more after tomorrow, but it
should be this fall.

1679
02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:40,239
» Thank you.
>> Yeah.

1680
02:06:38,960 --> 02:06:44,239
» Sarah, you're talking about the number
like the the difference in price on the

1681
02:06:42,639 --> 02:06:45,840
» Yes. what the
>> the actual cost per resident.

1682
02:06:45,440 --> 02:06:50,880
» Yes.
>> Okay. All right.

1683
02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:53,440
» Okay. There's no further questions.
>> No, I haven't gone yet.

1684
02:06:52,480 --> 02:06:58,239
» I haven't.
>> Okay.

1685
02:06:54,719 --> 02:07:04,320
» Yeah. I was just waiting. Uh so,
um Shane, there's one thing I wanted to

1686
02:07:01,119 --> 02:07:08,400
bring up is the uh uh and you guys have
been really helpful in giving a lot of

1687
02:07:06,320 --> 02:07:14,400
information about the whole system and
Horox has been helpful as well. Um the

1688
02:07:12,320 --> 02:07:21,679
the the neighborhood that keeps coming
after me for a fix is the north side of

1689
02:07:19,440 --> 02:07:24,639
the low zone and I bring it up, you
know, by Alpine Elementary where they

1690
02:07:23,119 --> 02:07:29,679
just have no pressure.
>> I know there's a couple others as well.

1691
02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:34,719
And so, uh
the fix, I had to go back and research

1692
02:07:31,760 --> 02:07:37,599
what it was. The fix is a pressurized
valve, PRV,

1693
02:07:36,320 --> 02:07:43,360
» pressure reducing valve.
>> Pressure reducing valve. And those run

1694
02:07:40,480 --> 02:07:47,599
around 300K.
>> Yeah, it depends on the situation,

1695
02:07:46,320 --> 02:07:50,239
a lot of factors, but
>> half of what I'm saying is a question

1696
02:07:48,800 --> 02:07:54,400
and half of what I'm saying is I'm
trying to find a fix. So anyways, I

1697
02:07:52,960 --> 02:07:59,119
haven't really seen that as part of any
of this. And so I'm hoping that that can

1698
02:07:56,320 --> 02:08:03,599
be considered. I know I know it's on the
list. I I just mean it's never been on

1699
02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:07,440
any of the uh I know it's on the list of
potentials. It's just never been on the

1700
02:08:05,040 --> 02:08:10,560
list of actual potential projects to be
carried out.

1701
02:08:08,400 --> 02:08:16,079
» Well, We've been talking about bonding
projects, but in that same discussion,

1702
02:08:12,880 --> 02:08:20,320
we talked about about being able to fund
through fund balance and like that a

1703
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:22,480
project like that. So,
>> bringing those to fund

1704
02:08:21,199 --> 02:08:27,119
» that's why it's not on this.
>> Yes. Right. So, so since we're talking

1705
02:08:24,560 --> 02:08:30,800
about this, um would that be something
we could bring forward to do even before

1706
02:08:29,040 --> 02:08:35,520
this stuff that takes years to
implement? And because the the the

1707
02:08:33,280 --> 02:08:38,719
pipeline you're talking about, this
potentially will take five or six more

1708
02:08:37,199 --> 02:08:41,199
years to get it actually functional,
right? Getting it all the way up there.

1709
02:08:40,239 --> 02:08:45,920
And
>> the pipeline but the Yeah. But the other

1710
02:08:44,239 --> 02:08:48,880
bonded projects though, we're hoping to
get it started right away. I mean, we

1711
02:08:47,520 --> 02:08:51,119
want to get started on the wall this
winter,

1712
02:08:49,520 --> 02:08:55,440
» right? So, in the meantime, is this
something we could is does the does the

1713
02:08:53,520 --> 02:09:02,079
council have the stomach to to do the
smaller one that would

1714
02:08:58,960 --> 02:09:04,800
» bring up at a later time? But right now,
this is just something for you to

1715
02:09:03,280 --> 02:09:09,119
consider if you want them to add
something to the potential

1716
02:09:07,119 --> 02:09:11,199
» bring up the bond price. That's, you
know, that's subject that you can bring

1717
02:09:10,800 --> 02:09:13,360
up.
>> Right. I'm bringing it up now because

1718
02:09:12,239 --> 02:09:15,119
it's never in there. So, that's why I'm
bringing it up.

1719
02:09:13,760 --> 02:09:17,920
» This isn't anything like we're not
voting on this. This is justformational.

1720
02:09:17,199 --> 02:09:20,960
You know that, right?
>> That's why I'm going Yeah. No, I know.

1721
02:09:19,280 --> 02:09:24,239
» So, you can't take a vote.
>> I'm not asking for a vote. I'm just

1722
02:09:22,159 --> 02:09:27,119
asking I'm trying to be a team player.
>> Oh, I know. But you can also use the

1723
02:09:25,920 --> 02:09:29,199
phone.
>> Well, I'm

1724
02:09:27,679 --> 02:09:32,800
» Are you asking if we should add this to
the list because you'd want to bond for

1725
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:34,880
it or you would prefer that we fund it
some other way?

1726
02:09:33,599 --> 02:09:37,440
» Well, it sounds like this is small. So,
it sounds like it doesn't even need to

1727
02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:41,360
be bonded. It's something small we can
work towards. It's just a community

1728
02:09:39,119 --> 02:09:43,920
that's been there forever and it's just
it seems like a fix we could actively

1729
02:09:43,119 --> 02:09:47,040
work towards.
>> Do I understand correctly? you're asking

1730
02:09:45,360 --> 02:09:50,400
if we can prioritize that because the
cost isn't that great and we can get

1731
02:09:48,639 --> 02:09:54,800
going on it sooner and
>> the original the original idea was just

1732
02:09:52,960 --> 02:09:57,679
to one of the priorities not above other
things but but this is one of the

1733
02:09:56,639 --> 02:10:01,280
priorities and
>> I I uh had been looking into it and just

1734
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:05,119
wanted to follow up on it since we were
talking about pressurized irrigation.

1735
02:10:03,040 --> 02:10:09,840
Yeah, you have to be careful with PRVs
because they can cause other problems

1736
02:10:07,440 --> 02:10:14,000
because the way they're designed, if the
pressure is too low, their their

1737
02:10:12,000 --> 02:10:19,520
settings, the high pressure on the
upstream side, low pressure on the

1738
02:10:15,679 --> 02:10:24,560
downstream side, when the downstream
pressure reaches gets to a certain

1739
02:10:21,599 --> 02:10:25,760
point, that valve opens and feeds water
to it.

1740
02:10:25,119 --> 02:10:29,840
» Right. Right.
>> So that takes pressure from other areas.

1741
02:10:28,639 --> 02:10:35,119
» Right. Okay. And so if you don't have
the availability of water there, it can

1742
02:10:33,199 --> 02:10:38,639
cause other problems.
>> If there's a better solution, I'm I'm

1743
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:42,239
all ears for a better solution. But
anyways, that's just one of the things

1744
02:10:39,920 --> 02:10:45,679
to think about. The I asked them for any
solutions. They had say that that was

1745
02:10:43,679 --> 02:10:50,159
the band-aid. That's the fix. And then
the other one is obviously the pipeline,

1746
02:10:47,679 --> 02:10:54,320
which will help as that goes further
along. That will help every zone.

1747
02:10:51,760 --> 02:10:55,920
» All all the projects in the master plan
will help,

1748
02:10:55,199 --> 02:10:58,960
» right? Right.
>> Some way throughout the city.

1749
02:10:57,199 --> 02:11:03,040
» Okay. Well, I just I need something to
go back and tell them that I'm working

1750
02:11:01,119 --> 02:11:08,000
on it because every time they show me
their sprinklers and they say this thing

1751
02:11:05,199 --> 02:11:11,199
won't go up and I'm trying to help them.
So, that was

1752
02:11:09,119 --> 02:11:14,560
» um anyways, I uh I think that's all and
thanks for doing this. I have been

1753
02:11:12,880 --> 02:11:19,119
reaching just just I would encourage you
guys to reach out to residents on this

1754
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:22,880
bonding. I've been reaching out to them
because this is something that will

1755
02:11:20,239 --> 02:11:26,639
affect everyone. the rate will help that
Sarah asked because I can't give them an

1756
02:11:24,320 --> 02:11:29,520
exact number of how much their water
bill will increase. So that's what

1757
02:11:28,239 --> 02:11:35,119
that'll be really helpful to give them
those numbers. Um I have been getting

1758
02:11:32,320 --> 02:11:39,280
quite a a negative response from
residents on more costs. They're they're

1759
02:11:38,079 --> 02:11:43,280
giving me a lot of we just went through
the hardest year and we were fine. um

1760
02:11:42,159 --> 02:11:49,040
they're they're giving they're not
they're not I think water is painful

1761
02:11:46,719 --> 02:11:54,320
right now but I think right now people
are even feeling more of a pain uh of

1762
02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:58,560
budget and finance and just one more
thing on top so anyways just exploring

1763
02:11:56,960 --> 02:12:02,560
any other route for any of these
solutions that doesn't do that for

1764
02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:07,440
example I've had several developers
reach out asking to contribute to one of

1765
02:12:05,119 --> 02:12:11,840
these want something in return but
that's a potential I've tried to call

1766
02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:15,280
them they they're hard to get a hold
But anyways, I'll I'll keep looking. I

1767
02:12:13,599 --> 02:12:17,760
know you have friends as well, but
there's any other route to get to these,

1768
02:12:16,639 --> 02:12:21,840
I think it would help. That's all I got
to say. Thank you.

1769
02:12:18,639 --> 02:12:26,239
» Okay. Um, I'd like to make a motion. I
move that we go into close session to

1770
02:12:23,599 --> 02:12:29,800
discuss land acquisition.
>> Is there a second?

1771
02:12:30,079 --> 02:12:34,239
» I will second.
>> I move that we go into council. Was that

1772
02:12:33,360 --> 02:12:37,040
council chambers?
>> Could I give you some suggestions?

1773
02:12:35,679 --> 02:12:43,040
» Yes, please. [laughter]
>> Okay. to discuss the purchase sale lease

1774
02:12:40,400 --> 02:12:47,920
or exchange of real property
>> strategy session to discuss the purchase

1775
02:12:45,199 --> 02:12:52,320
sale lease or exchange of real property
>> and Mr. say where that's going to be

1776
02:12:50,480 --> 02:12:56,400
held
>> you can say I was just you can say so

1777
02:12:54,560 --> 02:12:59,920
moved to be held in the conference room
at city hall

1778
02:12:57,440 --> 02:13:02,960
» and Sarah and Mr. Mr. Doc, if there's
something else we want to discuss

1779
02:13:01,199 --> 02:13:05,280
because there's a couple items going on
right now.

1780
02:13:03,599 --> 02:13:09,440
» Screen Sarah, too.
>> Do we have to add Do we have to add that

1781
02:13:07,360 --> 02:13:11,040
to the motion in order to discuss other
items that are supposed to be talked

1782
02:13:10,639 --> 02:13:14,079
about?
>> If we're going to discuss other items

1783
02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:18,000
that are not
>> Are you involved in the talking to a

1784
02:13:16,000 --> 02:13:20,719
couple items that you all know about
that are in

1785
02:13:19,280 --> 02:13:23,840
» That's something that probably should
have been brought up before. There's no

1786
02:13:22,000 --> 02:13:27,760
litigation right now, is there?
>> I sorry, I meant

1787
02:13:26,480 --> 02:13:30,719
the chance.
It's anything that has been brought up

1788
02:13:29,280 --> 02:13:34,880
recently that you'd like to talk about
in closed meeting?

1789
02:13:33,119 --> 02:13:37,599
» I don't know. Do Can I
>> Can I just amend it? You can make it and

1790
02:13:36,239 --> 02:13:41,199
I'll ask.
>> Okay. List all four. I move to pause the

1791
02:13:39,520 --> 02:13:46,000
regular meeting and move into a closed
meeting to be held in the conference

1792
02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:50,480
room at city hall to discuss
um I you want me to list all of them.

1793
02:13:48,800 --> 02:13:54,639
The purchase, exchange, sale, or lease
of real property. Um is there anything

1794
02:13:53,920 --> 02:13:57,280
else you wanted to
>> If you could just say the other ones.

1795
02:13:55,840 --> 02:14:01,280
» Okay. pending or reasonable imminent
litigation the character professional

1796
02:13:59,199 --> 02:14:04,802
competence or physical and or mental
health of an individual

1797
02:14:03,119 --> 02:14:07,440
» that's not needed I I apologize
[laughter]

1798
02:14:05,679 --> 02:14:10,639
» the deployment of security personnel
devices or systems

1799
02:14:08,480 --> 02:14:14,800
» actually yes that is one that is one
>> okay and at the end of the closed

1800
02:14:12,400 --> 02:14:19,920
meeting the open open city council
meeting will be adjourned

1801
02:14:17,360 --> 02:14:24,159
» uh we have staff reports
>> okay can you take that part off or do I

1802
02:14:23,199 --> 02:14:26,639
need to restate it again
>> no I think you're okay

1803
02:14:25,199 --> 02:14:30,320
» we'll just come back. I'll fix it.
>> Okay. Thank you, Deian.

1804
02:14:28,639 --> 02:14:31,599
» Okay. There's a motion. Is there a
second?

1805
02:14:30,719 --> 02:14:35,360
» I'll second it.
>> It's been moved by Councilwoman

1806
02:14:32,800 --> 02:14:40,800
Blackwell and seconded by Councilman
Young that we go into close session for

1807
02:14:37,679 --> 02:14:42,639
the reasons stated.
>> There's three votes.

1808
02:14:42,159 --> 02:14:45,599
» There's two.
>> We got to say I though.

1809
02:14:44,159 --> 02:14:47,599
» Oh, all
>> call.

1810
02:14:46,000 --> 02:14:51,599
» Roll call.
>> I Brett Ramler. Yes.

1811
02:14:50,639 --> 02:14:56,880
» Sarah Blackwell. Yes.
>> Chissy Hanaman. Yes.

1812
02:14:53,040 --> 02:14:56,880
» Andrew. Close session.

1813
02:14:59,520 --> 02:15:03,000
Glad you did.

1814
02:15:16,639 --> 02:15:22,000
» Thanks.
>> I'm not here. I'm in Salt Lake.

1815
02:15:20,480 --> 02:15:25,920
» Can I contact you?
>> Um, you can. I represent the city.

1816
02:15:25,599 --> 02:15:28,400
» Yeah.
>> So,

1817
02:15:26,639 --> 02:15:33,880
» go through Shane.
>> Why don't you call Shane? Yeah.

1818
02:15:30,880 --> 02:15:33,880
» Shane.

1819
02:15:40,560 --> 02:15:46,880
» R.
Steve.

1820
02:15:44,159 --> 02:15:49,599
» Sorry. I thought you were talking to me.
>> Like, you put up the signs. The signs

1821
02:15:48,079 --> 02:15:54,880
are up. trying to enforce the parking
already. So I don't feel like we're

1822
02:15:51,520 --> 02:15:58,480
spending hours talking about hedges,
>> you know, but like

1823
02:15:56,880 --> 02:16:02,800
» Well, I know, but you guys never talked
about that parking. You tabled it and

1824
02:16:00,880 --> 02:16:06,400
it's never been adopted. The engineering
court was never adopted.

1825
02:16:04,560 --> 02:16:10,079
» These plans were never approved by the
board by the city,

1826
02:16:08,320 --> 02:16:13,599
» right? So our school social rights are
being violated every day that you prove

1827
02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:18,320
us from the park.
>> First of all, it's not the city not the

1828
02:16:15,760 --> 02:16:23,920
city council's responsibility.
They presented information that

1829
02:16:21,920 --> 02:16:27,360
there's nothing to improve or deny when
a study is presented to us.

1830
02:16:25,599 --> 02:16:30,800
» No, but but there is when you're doing
parking and spending city funds on

1831
02:16:29,199 --> 02:16:35,920
crosswalks.
>> No, actually there isn't. That was a

1832
02:16:32,800 --> 02:16:39,439
currency to the council.
>> What about the municipal code that says

1833
02:16:37,439 --> 02:16:41,760
that they have The signs are put up
under the direction of the governing

1834
02:16:41,359 --> 02:16:45,599
board.
>> Oh, the parking you're talking about in

1835
02:16:43,599 --> 02:16:49,840
the city. In the city in the
>> the parking signs out there.

1836
02:16:47,519 --> 02:16:52,399
» Okay. I don't know about that.
>> Okay.

1837
02:16:51,359 --> 02:16:56,200
You're the one who brought them.
>> Yeah, I probably

1838
02:17:06,719 --> 02:17:15,880
don't. park in the parking lot
>> is red curving

1839
02:17:11,920 --> 02:17:15,880
» but we don't have parking lot

1840
02:17:18,559 --> 02:17:23,880
» to me is the exact same thing

1841
02:17:24,960 --> 02:17:30,120
» they want you in the park thanks for
your time we'll talk

1842
02:17:31,840 --> 02:17:35,160
» no I know

1843
02:17:35,519 --> 02:17:39,040
» I need my water thirst

1844
02:17:39,280 --> 02:17:45,880
That's a good idea,
>> but I'm happy to talk about it.

1845
02:17:42,240 --> 02:17:45,880
» Okay, so

1846
02:17:47,359 --> 02:17:51,359
it's always good.
>> Okay. All right. Well, thank you, Chief.

1847
02:17:49,679 --> 02:17:56,920
Appreciate your presentation and and
finally getting the report is amazing.

1848
02:17:53,519 --> 02:17:56,920
» Getting it all together.

1849
03:21:09,040 --> 03:21:14,960
That was just a joke.
>> I think we need to edit this and take

1850
03:21:12,479 --> 03:21:19,640
out the brief.
>> Yeah, seriously. So, did you

1851
03:21:19,760 --> 03:21:23,560
Yeah, we got to do that.

1852
03:21:28,800 --> 03:21:32,040
» I know.

1853
03:21:32,880 --> 03:21:39,720
» So, I
still

1854
03:21:36,720 --> 03:21:39,720
» person

1855
03:21:41,680 --> 03:21:50,080
whatever. Yeah, I'll be there.
>> Here.

1856
03:21:46,960 --> 03:21:52,479
» Okay. You mean to make a motion to
extend the meeting?

1857
03:21:51,120 --> 03:21:55,200
» Okay. Yeah, sure.
>> Go ahead.

1858
03:21:53,120 --> 03:21:58,399
» I'd like to make a motion to extend the
meeting till

1859
03:21:56,720 --> 03:22:01,399
» I can't type
>> 9:45.

1860
03:22:02,000 --> 03:22:06,200
» How about that?
>> 9:35.

1861
03:22:06,479 --> 03:22:10,560
» Up to
>> Okay. Is there a second?

1862
03:22:09,600 --> 03:22:14,560
» I'll second.
>> Okay. It's been moved by Councilwoman

1863
03:22:12,160 --> 03:22:17,600
Blackwells and seconded by Councilman
Rumler.

1864
03:22:16,000 --> 03:22:21,760
» Andrew Young. Yes.
Brown rumble. Yes.

1865
03:22:19,520 --> 03:22:26,000
» Oh, Sarah Blackwell. Yes. Handman. Yes.
In the interest of time only.

1866
03:22:23,760 --> 03:22:32,319
» Okay.
>> Okay. Um Kaden.

1867
03:22:30,239 --> 03:22:37,279
» Uh the only update I have is just I
think we had a successful round of

1868
03:22:34,720 --> 03:22:41,520
committee meetings for the finalization
of the small area plan. I think everyone

1869
03:22:39,680 --> 03:22:45,600
participated from the council. I think
almost everyone participated from the

1870
03:22:43,040 --> 03:22:49,920
planning commission as well as Andy
Spencer. Uh, so I think it was really

1871
03:22:48,319 --> 03:22:53,680
well done. I think we have the updates
we want. The next I think at the next

1872
03:22:52,239 --> 03:22:57,279
council meeting I'll have those updates
ready for you to have a final approval

1873
03:22:55,920 --> 03:22:59,120
on them and then I will send them back
to the consultant.

1874
03:22:58,399 --> 03:23:02,120
» Okay.
>> Thanks.

1875
03:23:04,880 --> 03:23:11,840
» Wait, Kayen, it doesn't have to go back
to the planning commission at all. And I

1876
03:23:09,120 --> 03:23:16,160
thought you wanted a public hearing. No.
Oh, that's after the final.

1877
03:23:14,640 --> 03:23:18,560
» What were the last step? What are the
last steps we have to do to make it

1878
03:23:18,000 --> 03:23:21,840
approved?
>> So, it's already done the public

1879
03:23:20,080 --> 03:23:24,000
hearing. I think we are open to having
another one. I don't know if it's

1880
03:23:23,200 --> 03:23:27,359
required.
>> So, we did two already. I think that's

1881
03:23:25,439 --> 03:23:29,439
what Ryan was talking about before.
Yeah,

1882
03:23:27,600 --> 03:23:33,359
» they did the initial public hearing, but
it didn't get noticed very well. And so,

1883
03:23:31,359 --> 03:23:35,840
a lot of people said, "Hey, I wanted to
come talk about that."

1884
03:23:34,479 --> 03:23:38,479
» And so, they held a second public
hearing with the planning commission.

1885
03:23:37,359 --> 03:23:40,880
So, when you referenced that in your
notes, I think that was the second one

1886
03:23:39,760 --> 03:23:44,720
Ryan was talking about.
>> I thought Shane had advised that. Have

1887
03:23:42,800 --> 03:23:50,000
you have you have you not
>> you can

1888
03:23:46,560 --> 03:23:53,279
you can have one if you choose. I think
>> I meant when it's like done done before

1889
03:23:51,840 --> 03:23:57,279
we vote and approve it.
>> I don't think it's required but you

1890
03:23:55,840 --> 03:24:02,239
could it seems like we might have done
that with the conservation easement.

1891
03:24:00,560 --> 03:24:06,000
» That was much more controversial.
>> And so our general feeling is it's been

1892
03:24:04,160 --> 03:24:10,479
out in the public enough and that would
be an unnecessary step. I just want to

1893
03:24:08,160 --> 03:24:16,479
be clear. Yeah, that's that's my
feeling. Unless someone has a other

1894
03:24:13,040 --> 03:24:20,319
points to the contrary.
>> You're saying you want to just end it at

1895
03:24:18,239 --> 03:24:24,239
this and vote on it and like approve it.
>> Yeah, there's no two public hearings.

1896
03:24:22,239 --> 03:24:26,000
» It would be an unrequired like going an
extra step.

1897
03:24:24,880 --> 03:24:28,000
» It's not required, right?
>> Not required.

1898
03:24:26,720 --> 03:24:30,800
» Well, if everyone feels comfortable with
all the changes, I say a good vote on it

1899
03:24:29,920 --> 03:24:35,600
is good. Okay.
>> We've all put a lot of input into it.

1900
03:24:33,520 --> 03:24:39,279
» Can we send you any last things or is
there a Here here's one thing that I can

1901
03:24:37,600 --> 03:24:42,880
foresee happening. I can foresee you
bringing it forward and Andrew being

1902
03:24:41,120 --> 03:24:47,680
like, I want to change that one little
little thing and these guys getting mad.

1903
03:24:45,279 --> 03:24:50,319
Um, can you send it to us like a couple
days before? So, if there's any last

1904
03:24:49,359 --> 03:24:52,640
things that were like, oh,
>> that's a good idea.

1905
03:24:51,040 --> 03:24:55,680
» This last thing,
>> could we just buffer this?

1906
03:24:54,160 --> 03:25:00,160
» Yeah, don't send it to us on Friday.
That thing is massive. Okay. Can you

1907
03:24:57,439 --> 03:25:03,200
just give us like, guys, have a review
any last changes?

1908
03:25:01,279 --> 03:25:06,080
» Give everybody a deadline.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Because cuz

1909
03:25:04,319 --> 03:25:08,880
» so the deadline September 1st is what
Chrissy originally set up

1910
03:25:07,439 --> 03:25:11,359
» to get our edits to you.
>> Yes. And so all the next meeting

1911
03:25:10,800 --> 03:25:13,920
September
>> was the deadline.

1912
03:25:13,200 --> 03:25:16,640
» Last Tuesday.
>> No, it's in a week from today.

1913
03:25:15,120 --> 03:25:18,640
» Oh, so you want edits by But we don't
even know what the final edits are

1914
03:25:17,600 --> 03:25:21,120
because he's doing all the changes we
made.

1915
03:25:19,439 --> 03:25:23,200
» That's what that's what he's saying. No,
no. If

1916
03:25:21,600 --> 03:25:24,640
» when is he going to get that version to
us?

1917
03:25:23,520 --> 03:25:26,640
» We're talking about when he gives us the
final. It's like when you read a

1918
03:25:25,680 --> 03:25:30,720
contract, you read it one time.
>> He knows. But

1919
03:25:28,720 --> 03:25:35,040
» so yeah, so the next meeting is in two
weeks, September 8th. If the final edits

1920
03:25:32,399 --> 03:25:39,760
are due September 1st,
when do you want that document?

1921
03:25:36,960 --> 03:25:42,560
» The second week of the second meeting.
>> Oh, okay.

1922
03:25:41,520 --> 03:25:44,319
» What do you mean the second meeting?
>> Prior to

1923
03:25:43,040 --> 03:25:47,680
» Well, because the consultant is trying
to make all our edits.

1924
03:25:46,080 --> 03:25:50,560
» No, no, no, no. He's making the edit.
>> I thought you were saying we wanted you

1925
03:25:48,880 --> 03:25:53,520
wanted one more look before I give it to
the consultant.

1926
03:25:51,439 --> 03:25:56,720
» We have to approve the edits before they
go to the consultant.

1927
03:25:54,560 --> 03:26:00,880
» Oh, you're right. That was in there.
Thank you for that. I I forgot. One more

1928
03:25:58,960 --> 03:26:03,920
vote after that to Thank you, Brent.
That's why you're a lawyer.

1929
03:26:02,160 --> 03:26:06,960
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Yeah. There's one vote for the edits

1930
03:26:05,680 --> 03:26:09,920
approved. There's one vote for the
adoption. So that'll

1931
03:26:08,319 --> 03:26:12,880
» work. So we need to approve the edits on
the 8th is what you're saying.

1932
03:26:11,359 --> 03:26:15,120
» And that's what we'd like to get a week
ahead of time if we can.

1933
03:26:14,640 --> 03:26:18,479
» Yeah.
>> Time to

1934
03:26:16,239 --> 03:26:20,720
» How soon can you get this to council?
>> But don't do you still have the

1935
03:26:19,600 --> 03:26:24,080
spreadsheet?
>> Yeah. I mean I have everything ready. I

1936
03:26:22,640 --> 03:26:26,960
know we're we're keeping the date open
till the first, but maybe I'll just try

1937
03:26:25,680 --> 03:26:30,960
to send it out that same day.
>> I think I think we're done. I think we

1938
03:26:29,040 --> 03:26:32,640
need that's our deadline too to get it
back to you by the first.

1939
03:26:32,319 --> 03:26:34,720
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

1940
03:26:32,960 --> 03:26:37,200
» Like if you can just email it in the
next few days and we can get it back to

1941
03:26:36,080 --> 03:26:39,840
you by the first.
>> Okay.

1942
03:26:37,680 --> 03:26:42,080
» Thank you, Kayen. Anything else? I can
do

1943
03:26:40,479 --> 03:26:47,120
» Oh, and then Shane was having me bring
up So, we do have our consultant, we've

1944
03:26:44,080 --> 03:26:52,080
had three consultant groups that are
willing to do the code update for the

1945
03:26:49,359 --> 03:26:57,279
small area plan for us that have set
sent in RFPs. So, we're going to look at

1946
03:26:55,680 --> 03:26:59,760
what we think of those three, which
one's the best, and then we'll I think

1947
03:26:58,640 --> 03:27:02,000
we'll have that maybe at the next
meeting as well, right?

1948
03:27:00,800 --> 03:27:06,800
» So, that should be able to hit the
ground running when this gets adopted.

1949
03:27:04,960 --> 03:27:11,040
» We're also thinking that if it works out
well with the relationship that we might

1950
03:27:09,200 --> 03:27:16,720
go with that firm and approach them
about our planner part time.

1951
03:27:14,800 --> 03:27:22,479
» Okay. Anything else, Shane?
>> Uh,

1952
03:27:18,720 --> 03:27:27,120
yeah. So, let's see. Just Alpine Days.
Uh Heidi's not here right now, but she

1953
03:27:25,200 --> 03:27:30,239
did awesome. She worked herself to
death.

1954
03:27:28,399 --> 03:27:35,520
» She really did. And
>> yeah, she needed the week off

1955
03:27:33,040 --> 03:27:40,800
» and she'll be back to work tomorrow. But
um so there'll be a report. It takes

1956
03:27:38,319 --> 03:27:47,439
quite a while to get everything in and
um we have couple things to follow up

1957
03:27:43,439 --> 03:27:52,160
on. Um we'll report on that later.
uh

1958
03:27:49,439 --> 03:27:57,120
Burgess Park Burgess Park court
lighting. Um that project there were two

1959
03:27:55,279 --> 03:28:00,640
left. I'm not sure what the hold up was,
but I haven't made it down there to see

1960
03:27:58,399 --> 03:28:07,520
if they were finished. But everything I
hear, they love the new lights and it

1961
03:28:03,520 --> 03:28:09,439
was 100% grant funded. Um which is
great.

1962
03:28:07,920 --> 03:28:12,319
» I had people reach out thanking you for
that and saying how wonderful they were.

1963
03:28:10,720 --> 03:28:16,080
Whitey Whitey Anson reached out. So it
was massive improvement. Yeah, I've

1964
03:28:14,560 --> 03:28:18,319
tried to call him a few times and we
played phone tag, so I haven't actually

1965
03:28:17,680 --> 03:28:21,439
got to talk to him.
>> He wants to give you a hug.

1966
03:28:19,760 --> 03:28:25,760
» He's traveling.
>> Yeah. Um,

1967
03:28:23,680 --> 03:28:31,920
uh, I brought up at our Lone Peak staff
meeting, uh, a month ago, I guess, about

1968
03:28:29,439 --> 03:28:37,680
our the check that we should be getting
from fund balance, and that did come

1969
03:28:33,920 --> 03:28:44,239
last week. Um,
let's see. LPC, I mentioned the 6,000

1970
03:28:40,479 --> 03:28:50,880
foot lot thing. It's kind of concerning.
>> Um, they also brought up potential

1971
03:28:48,080 --> 03:28:56,960
legislation on flaw cameras and license
plate reader type cameras. That might be

1972
03:28:54,000 --> 03:29:00,239
coming. Um, and then fireworks. They
think that they'll

1973
03:28:58,880 --> 03:29:04,880
I thought it was going to go the other
way because of the fireworks lobby and

1974
03:29:02,399 --> 03:29:08,720
maybe it will in the end, but um the
thought right now is that they would

1975
03:29:06,399 --> 03:29:13,840
make it an easier process in the
situation we had this year for a city to

1976
03:29:11,040 --> 03:29:17,200
put further restrictions in.
>> That would be so we'll see where that

1977
03:29:15,680 --> 03:29:22,479
all goes.
>> Uh

1978
03:29:19,520 --> 03:29:27,600
the I work uh Don's continuing to work
on the onboarding there. Um I texted him

1979
03:29:25,279 --> 03:29:34,479
but I haven't heard back yet to see. It
should be it was like six weeks and I

1980
03:29:30,640 --> 03:29:40,880
think we're there. So we're about there.
Said that's going well.

1981
03:29:37,359 --> 03:29:45,760
Got the 912 day of service coming up.
911 day on the the 11th or on the 12th.

1982
03:29:44,880 --> 03:29:47,680
Yeah.
>> Um there will be some good projects

1983
03:29:47,279 --> 03:29:52,880
there.
>> Does that start at 9:00 a.m.?

1984
03:29:50,160 --> 03:29:56,000
» Uh I don't know on the timing right now.
They'll be publishing it. They have a

1985
03:29:54,880 --> 03:29:58,399
website and everything.
>> It's either eight or nine. I can't

1986
03:29:57,359 --> 03:30:01,760
remember what they said.
>> And some of them like they're building a

1987
03:30:00,160 --> 03:30:05,680
trail bridge. Sometimes they'll start at
six just getting the cool weather and

1988
03:30:04,239 --> 03:30:10,479
whatever. But
>> so more information to come there.

1989
03:30:08,560 --> 03:30:17,120
» And that's all I have right now.
>> So I read that the governor's office was

1990
03:30:13,520 --> 03:30:20,000
going to be doing an audit on the
looking for potential misuse for the

1991
03:30:18,640 --> 03:30:25,040
flot cameras. there might be something
coming from the state to because I know

1992
03:30:22,880 --> 03:30:29,920
that some of the concern the main
concern is abuse of the of the of the

1993
03:30:28,000 --> 03:30:33,520
system. So it sounds like the governor's
office is going to commission an audit

1994
03:30:31,520 --> 03:30:36,080
of that.
That's all.

1995
03:30:34,319 --> 03:30:40,160
» Okay.
>> I don't have anything.

1996
03:30:37,359 --> 03:30:44,880
» Okay. Chrissy,
>> just a reminder, just a reminder,

1997
03:30:42,640 --> 03:30:52,080
tomorrow at noon, there's training on
our roles for our city of a mayor vibe

1998
03:30:50,000 --> 03:30:56,080
council organization.
Um, sponsored by the Utah League of

1999
03:30:54,091 --> 03:31:01,120
[clears throat] Towns at noon. That's
it.

2000
03:30:57,920 --> 03:31:06,160
» Um, okay. Uh, some of these we went
over, we I sent the signs. So, you're

2001
03:31:04,319 --> 03:31:10,319
all aware of that, right, Shane? You're
aware of the no dog leash and I think he

2002
03:31:09,680 --> 03:31:12,720
knows.
>> Yeah, Heidi's working on it. She just

2003
03:31:11,680 --> 03:31:15,680
got back in town.
>> Thank you for all that.

2004
03:31:13,439 --> 03:31:19,120
» Hey, that training is actually Thursday.
>> Oh,

2005
03:31:17,359 --> 03:31:22,800
» thank you. It's Thursday.
>> Well, that makes it easier.

2006
03:31:20,640 --> 03:31:27,000
» I have it on the wrong day on my own
personal calendar. Thank you.

2007
03:31:27,279 --> 03:31:34,880
» Um, okay.
There was a crosswalks um

2008
03:31:32,880 --> 03:31:41,359
agenda item that Jessica and I had sent
to y'all. Um should we do any planning

2009
03:31:38,479 --> 03:31:46,399
to get that ready or anything for that?
>> I it's it's for some of the crosswalks

2010
03:31:43,680 --> 03:31:51,040
they brought up but for painting some
>> uh I sent it on I so I just wondered if

2011
03:31:49,200 --> 03:31:53,520
we should be prepared for next week or
the or the next meeting or which meeting

2012
03:31:52,720 --> 03:31:58,000
for that one.
>> There there were some general locations

2013
03:31:55,600 --> 03:32:01,359
but some of them weren't exact.
I think we just need to talk. I don't

2014
03:31:59,359 --> 03:32:05,920
even I don't know that it's going to
need to come to the council unless it's

2015
03:32:03,439 --> 03:32:10,160
a new one that requires a warrant study.
>> So, do you just want us to Well, it was

2016
03:32:07,920 --> 03:32:14,239
two of them were new, two of them were
uh to paint over.

2017
03:32:12,080 --> 03:32:18,319
» The genesis of it was when we were
watching the Mountainville Academy

2018
03:32:16,319 --> 03:32:21,680
parking and we realized where people
were parking and the new one looks good

2019
03:32:20,080 --> 03:32:25,520
and people can see it and the older ones
around there. And then we thought of the

2020
03:32:23,840 --> 03:32:30,800
other well mostly because Alpine days
were next to the kid with his leg, you

2021
03:32:27,840 --> 03:32:35,600
know, in a stretcher thing who got hit
where they were talking about the Grove

2022
03:32:33,200 --> 03:32:39,840
and Alpine Boulevard. That's the other
one. So, what would be the proper

2023
03:32:37,200 --> 03:32:43,040
format? Uh because if we did the two
signature thing, would should we just go

2024
03:32:41,760 --> 03:32:45,680
directly have a meeting with you or
something?

2025
03:32:43,439 --> 03:32:47,439
» So, on that one, I mean, if the council
wants us to

2026
03:32:46,560 --> 03:32:51,359
» is that something we should
>> look at a warrant study for a four-way

2027
03:32:49,279 --> 03:32:54,560
stop there, we can do that.
>> Well, it wasn't for the four-way. It was

2028
03:32:52,640 --> 03:32:58,239
just for crosswalks. We can add that if
you want, but it was for crosswalks.

2029
03:32:56,720 --> 03:33:02,880
» How much are warrant studies? Just out
of curiosity,

2030
03:33:00,000 --> 03:33:07,439
» they're not cheap. Um, I'm trying to
remember.

2031
03:33:05,040 --> 03:33:09,600
» Look one up that we did on Westfield and
see what it

2032
03:33:08,319 --> 03:33:17,359
» we have to have a warrant study to put
in a four-way stop.

2033
03:33:12,080 --> 03:33:21,439
» Um, that's what the MUTCD says. Um there
might be

2034
03:33:19,200 --> 03:33:26,880
a little provision in there something
about local approvals but they recommend

2035
03:33:24,319 --> 03:33:30,160
it's I might say guidance.
>> So for speed sakes would it be okay just

2036
03:33:28,640 --> 03:33:33,120
to do a discussion item on those and
then we can just talk about it and

2037
03:33:31,680 --> 03:33:37,200
figure out what direction everyone wants
to go for those crosswalks and

2038
03:33:35,200 --> 03:33:41,920
potentially a stop sign.
>> I would like to I would like to find out

2039
03:33:40,239 --> 03:33:45,520
if it's warranted now. Right.
>> Okay. So maybe a discussion item on

2040
03:33:43,760 --> 03:33:49,359
that. Is that okay with the downhill
speeds there? I think that's that's kind

2041
03:33:47,279 --> 03:33:52,720
of a a nasty intersection.
>> I I live off road and I've seen

2042
03:33:52,000 --> 03:33:56,800
» Yeah,
>> people expect I'd be in favor of people

2043
03:33:54,479 --> 03:33:58,560
expect it to be a four-way stop. So
sometimes

2044
03:33:57,359 --> 03:34:01,439
» Well, what would you all like to do? A
discussion item, a vote, or should I

2045
03:34:00,000 --> 03:34:05,600
just go directly through Shane to try to
help with the crosswalks?

2046
03:34:02,560 --> 03:34:10,720
» I mean, I don't think it won't be over
15,000. So on on the the four-way stop

2047
03:34:09,120 --> 03:34:12,720
warrant.
>> So

2048
03:34:11,200 --> 03:34:14,479
» why would you like me to do I'm happy to
do whatever. I think it's I think we

2049
03:34:14,160 --> 03:34:17,359
should
>> You're saying that there was one

2050
03:34:15,760 --> 03:34:19,600
conducted according to that resident
like a few years ago and it didn't

2051
03:34:19,040 --> 03:34:24,720
warrant one
>> conducted what Jed did. He looked at he

2052
03:34:22,560 --> 03:34:28,960
contacted the police department and look
for crash history. So that's one of the

2053
03:34:26,880 --> 03:34:34,640
bullet points as part of the warrant
study and the crash history didn't meet

2054
03:34:32,399 --> 03:34:37,600
what the warrant said it should to
justify a four-way stop.

2055
03:34:36,080 --> 03:34:40,720
» Is that just one factor though?
>> That's one of the factors.

2056
03:34:39,200 --> 03:34:42,880
» But you have to meet like a serious
>> We didn't do we didn't do a warrant

2057
03:34:41,920 --> 03:34:45,520
study. No,
>> I I I would I would be in favor of doing

2058
03:34:44,560 --> 03:34:49,439
a war study.
>> I as well I would be in favor of that.

2059
03:34:48,080 --> 03:34:53,120
» Okay. All right.
>> What else? Sandra.

2060
03:34:50,239 --> 03:34:57,760
» Well, hold on. That took a turn.
>> Uh I guess I can work on that then.

2061
03:34:56,319 --> 03:35:03,200
Jessica, if Jessica was here, she would
be saying this. Um there, this is with

2062
03:35:01,600 --> 03:35:06,880
Sarah. We have the zoning change
meeting. If anyone else wants to be

2063
03:35:04,880 --> 03:35:12,479
involved in that, just as a heads up,
it's on the back side of uh on the back

2064
03:35:10,080 --> 03:35:17,200
side of Main Street looking at some of
the houses to change the zoning to

2065
03:35:14,560 --> 03:35:20,560
residential. So, that's a meeting we're
having and if that's something that any

2066
03:35:19,200 --> 03:35:26,080
of you have any problems with or
concerns, let let us know. Um that we

2067
03:35:24,000 --> 03:35:30,720
have a height fix meeting, a speed
reduction one, and then I sent with

2068
03:35:28,319 --> 03:35:34,479
Brent and I the fire uh the fire
mitigation project. Is there anything

2069
03:35:33,200 --> 03:35:37,200
that holds that up or does it just come
forward?

2070
03:35:34,880 --> 03:35:39,439
» Well, we were going to ask the chief to
you asked the chief to

2071
03:35:38,080 --> 03:35:42,800
» he came by and talked to me. He didn't
say any problems. He says he wants to

2072
03:35:40,640 --> 03:35:47,120
walk it, but I don't again this is most
of these are I'm just bringing up

2073
03:35:43,840 --> 03:35:50,720
because of process we both signed. Does
it come up for a vote? Do we or do we

2074
03:35:48,800 --> 03:35:52,399
need like the chief to okay it for a
vote? Is there kind of like that as

2075
03:35:52,000 --> 03:35:56,479
well?
>> I would like the chief's input. But in

2076
03:35:54,880 --> 03:35:58,720
» Okay. So, maybe walk it with them. Is
that

2077
03:35:56,800 --> 03:36:03,520
» in light of the new information that we
do have a completed CWPP

2078
03:36:01,920 --> 03:36:06,080
» because I had heard it's, you know, it's
almost done. It's almost done. It's

2079
03:36:04,720 --> 03:36:10,880
almost done. This is actually the first
time that I've heard that it's actually

2080
03:36:08,000 --> 03:36:16,640
completed. I would really like to look
at our resources to be able to um go for

2081
03:36:14,479 --> 03:36:20,160
a larger chunk of money. Okay.
>> And to really kind of go after these,

2082
03:36:18,720 --> 03:36:22,960
you know, border areas.
>> This project was only three grand. So

2083
03:36:21,600 --> 03:36:29,359
just it was it's the whole just so you
know it's the um it's from basically the

2084
03:36:26,000 --> 03:36:33,040
entire trail from the river trail. So
when you're in Lambert it's the river

2085
03:36:31,120 --> 03:36:38,000
trail to the Zurker's house. It's that
trail and there's just to have a walk on

2086
03:36:35,200 --> 03:36:43,680
it. There's dead wood dead the entire
way both sides. So it's just to clear

2087
03:36:40,160 --> 03:36:47,760
that out. No living no nothing. Uh I
think we could do it in volunteers. So

2088
03:36:46,000 --> 03:36:50,160
» yeah let's get the opinion of the chief
and then move forward.

2089
03:36:48,800 --> 03:36:55,600
» Okay. That gives me d that gives me
direction. That's a good start.

2090
03:36:51,840 --> 03:36:58,960
» Okay. Uh the there's you already went
over the flock cameras. Deian's going to

2091
03:36:57,279 --> 03:37:03,359
send that. And then
>> um there's a running thing in a CP3

2092
03:37:01,920 --> 03:37:07,840
thing that we submitted. Are you okay
with those? Are those okay?

2093
03:37:05,359 --> 03:37:11,120
» Those present presentations. Do do you
by chance know will those be next

2094
03:37:09,439 --> 03:37:13,920
council meeting or we don't know yet.
>> I think we'll look at the agenda and see

2095
03:37:12,960 --> 03:37:16,160
how it looks like. Like
>> we'll let you know.

2096
03:37:14,640 --> 03:37:18,880
» This is the issue. We thought this
meeting would be over before now and

2097
03:37:18,560 --> 03:37:22,479
it's
>> last one is the fences. You just want me

2098
03:37:20,800 --> 03:37:24,960
to give you exact places where you want
me to put that and that's the last

2099
03:37:24,080 --> 03:37:29,359
thing.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm I think I have a little

2100
03:37:27,200 --> 03:37:33,600
bit of input, but I from what I've
hearing from the council, you guys just

2101
03:37:30,880 --> 03:37:36,160
want it to come as as you have it. And
so I think you putting it in the

2102
03:37:34,880 --> 03:37:38,800
ordinance where you think it should go
is is a good

2103
03:37:37,200 --> 03:37:41,200
» Is that still going to come up just as a
discussion item then or?

2104
03:37:40,239 --> 03:37:44,960
» Yes. First,
>> if it's a discussion item, I think it

2105
03:37:43,279 --> 03:37:48,720
would be okay just to bring it as is to
discuss each point and see if anyone has

2106
03:37:46,720 --> 03:37:53,439
a problem with any of them. It's the
It's the fence ordinance basically just

2107
03:37:51,040 --> 03:37:57,200
dialed down to it would do this, this,
and this. And if you have any problems

2108
03:37:55,040 --> 03:37:59,040
with it, then I could put it into the
actual script.

2109
03:37:57,840 --> 03:38:02,960
» But if I'm understanding what you're
proposing, you're saying add the

2110
03:38:00,640 --> 03:38:06,479
language you sent me into the current
ordinance. Are you saying this is all

2111
03:38:04,800 --> 03:38:09,279
we're we want now for the fence
ordinance?

2112
03:38:07,279 --> 03:38:13,680
» Well, it's just the original concept.
Uh, it's the original concept 8 foot to

2113
03:38:12,000 --> 03:38:16,000
six feet unless it's open.
>> Yeah. uh strategy,

2114
03:38:14,640 --> 03:38:18,560
» but do you want all the other lang
because there's a lot of language in the

2115
03:38:17,120 --> 03:38:22,160
fence ordinance longer than what you
sent me.

2116
03:38:19,680 --> 03:38:25,600
» Do you want that still there plus
everything you have or

2117
03:38:23,520 --> 03:38:28,080
» Oh, yeah. It just changes minor words in
the current fence

2118
03:38:26,640 --> 03:38:31,200
» or so that that's the only reason I was
suggesting if you want to just put it

2119
03:38:29,439 --> 03:38:32,800
where you think all these should go.
>> Yeah,

2120
03:38:31,520 --> 03:38:35,279
» that will help us I think with a
productive discussion.

2121
03:38:33,920 --> 03:38:39,439
» I think I think that's it.
>> Will we um will we also get your

2122
03:38:37,680 --> 03:38:42,479
thoughts on
>> Yeah, I'm happy to provide my thoughts

2123
03:38:40,880 --> 03:38:47,279
as well. I'd like to know that for sure.
Yeah. Then to be totally clear on the

2124
03:38:45,040 --> 03:38:50,160
process, it will have to go back. If
there's

2125
03:38:48,479 --> 03:38:53,840
» if the council says, "Hey, we want this
to move forward." Then it would have to

2126
03:38:52,160 --> 03:38:57,279
go back, have a public hearing, go
through planning commission, they make a

2127
03:38:55,600 --> 03:39:00,560
recommendation, council,
>> and it would be on here for action.

2128
03:38:58,880 --> 03:39:03,359
» Right. We're we're greasing our joints
for how we do this. So, thanks.

2129
03:39:01,920 --> 03:39:06,560
» Just make sure that's everything. Thank
you.

2130
03:39:03,680 --> 03:39:10,479
» Okay. Um just the centric com if you
guys can help spread the word to ask

2131
03:39:08,160 --> 03:39:16,160
people to take a screenshot of their
speed tests and then they can um email

2132
03:39:13,359 --> 03:39:19,600
me and then the city needs to make a map
and so we need the data in order to get

2133
03:39:17,840 --> 03:39:23,840
that to centric com before they can get
started and then should we talk about

2134
03:39:21,760 --> 03:39:29,439
the donation?
So we have a donation from a resident um

2135
03:39:27,439 --> 03:39:34,800
but it is not coming directly to the
city. It's going towards projects that

2136
03:39:31,200 --> 03:39:39,439
this person is supporting. $100,000 to
the mountain bike trail that is

2137
03:39:36,319 --> 03:39:46,160
currently being um worked on in Three
Falls, $150,000 going to the rodeo, and

2138
03:39:42,800 --> 03:39:51,279
then $250,000 going towards playground
equipment for one of the rings at

2139
03:39:48,560 --> 03:39:53,840
Creekide. So that's
>> the rings.

2140
03:39:52,160 --> 03:39:56,000
» That's very generous.
>> Please tell them thank you. That's very

2141
03:39:55,600 --> 03:40:01,600
generous.
>> Thank you, whoever you are, resident.

2142
03:39:57,680 --> 03:40:06,239
» Going to remain anonymous. Um I I wasn't
quite sure how they wanted it. No, the

2143
03:40:03,680 --> 03:40:14,800
the playground one it will have a
plaque. Um and then the trail I believe

2144
03:40:10,640 --> 03:40:20,880
will have a name associated with it. And
then I'm not sure about the rodeo. We

2145
03:40:18,000 --> 03:40:25,680
don't have um this came I'm asking which
is awesome about this donation but the

2146
03:40:23,120 --> 03:40:29,920
heritage foundation um is trying to come
up with a naming process and ordinance

2147
03:40:28,319 --> 03:40:34,640
so that when they get these donations
for the sculpture garden and it needs to

2148
03:40:32,479 --> 03:40:39,439
be consistent with what we do. So as far
as I know we don't have a naming

2149
03:40:36,880 --> 03:40:44,720
ordinance and I know we did the softball
I'm sorry the baseball park too. So, is

2150
03:40:42,399 --> 03:40:48,479
can we add that to your list, Kaden, to
>> we we already have it on there

2151
03:40:46,640 --> 03:40:52,239
» to make sure that we get that in place
so that they're in compliance with ours

2152
03:40:50,479 --> 03:40:58,239
instead of the other way around.
>> So, Steve and I met with Bob Hansen just

2153
03:40:54,560 --> 03:41:04,080
over a Zoom call last Friday, I think,
and talked about this and and some other

2154
03:41:02,399 --> 03:41:08,720
things. And they're getting their
attorney to talk to Steve because Steve

2155
03:41:06,399 --> 03:41:12,800
had some concerns with some things that
just needed to be ironed out. So, it's

2156
03:41:10,880 --> 03:41:21,200
that's why it wasn't presented tonight.
It's still being worked on.

2157
03:41:15,120 --> 03:41:22,800
» So, um is is ours more restrictive?
>> Um so,

2158
03:41:22,000 --> 03:41:30,319
» less restrictive.
>> We don't have a gift acceptance policy.

2159
03:41:26,800 --> 03:41:33,200
And so, that's that's what they said a
lot of cities that they work with will

2160
03:41:32,560 --> 03:41:37,680
adopt.
>> The Heritage Foundation said that. Okay.

2161
03:41:35,359 --> 03:41:42,479
» So, that's that's what we're working on.
So that would would whatever we do would

2162
03:41:40,160 --> 03:41:46,479
apply equally to the sculpture garden as
well as like a private donation even

2163
03:41:44,560 --> 03:41:50,319
like our new building over here. All of
that would fall under one umbrella.

2164
03:41:48,319 --> 03:41:54,800
» I think I think so. I haven't seen an
ordinance like this but I think so.

2165
03:41:53,040 --> 03:41:58,160
» So we talked about that a couple years
ago when we did baseball name like we

2166
03:41:56,640 --> 03:42:00,960
don't want to do it in perpetuity. Let's
have some standards.

2167
03:41:59,439 --> 03:42:04,720
» So just to be clear the donation
>> Ryan was working on it and he just never

2168
03:42:03,359 --> 03:42:09,200
got it
>> finished.

2169
03:42:06,479 --> 03:42:13,680
» Okay. Anything else? If not, I'll
entertain a motion to adjurnn.

2170
03:42:12,319 --> 03:42:15,680
» I'll make a motion to adjurnn.
>> Is there a second?

2171
03:42:14,640 --> 03:42:17,520
» Second.
>> Okay. All in favor?

2172
03:42:17,120 --> 03:42:22,600
» I
>> I

2173
03:42:18,960 --> 03:42:22,600
» We did it by 9:45.

2174
03:42:23,040 --> 03:42:26,040
» Yeah.

2175
03:42:27,040 --> 03:42:31,920
» Good night, everybody. Late breath
midnight.