Okay. Thank you. I'd like to call to order the Alpine City Council meeting
for August 26th, 2026. I'm sorry, August 25th, 2026.
[laughter] Excuse me.
We will start with a roll call starting from Councilman Young and then a prayer
led by Councilman Young and a pledge um I'm [clears throat] sorry, prayer
offered by Councilman Young and a pledge offered by or led by um Councilwoman
Sarah Blackwell. Okay, roll call.
» I'll substitute for Councilman Young and say the prayer.
» Okay. >> Bren Remler, present.
» Sarah Blackwell, present. >> Chrissy Henman, present.
Okay, so we have two that are not present.
Andrew Young and Jessica Smeuan. We will move to a prayer offered by Councilwoman
Haniman.
Our dear kind heavenly father, we're grateful for this beautiful evening that
we could gather as a community and discuss important things to each of us
and to the public at large. We're grateful for those who serve, grateful
for the uh time and interest. We're grateful for a successful alpine days
that no harm or fire. We're grateful for the extra rain we've received and uh the
accompanying rainbows and bless that everyone will um learn and listen well
tonight. And we say these things Christ. Amen.
» Amen. >> Please rise and join me in the pledge of
allegiance. >> Ready? Begin. I pledge algiance to the
flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One
nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
» Okay, let's move on to the consent calendar.
» Are there any questions uh for the items on the consent calendar?
Just one quick one and that is uh um in the future what what would really help
is if we can get just a couple comparisons because I mean I'm no expert
in uh lawnmowers. Just a couple comparison. Look, there's a big tier,
there's a little mil tier, there's a used one, there's a notused one. Um and
maybe just some cost estimates because I mean I don't know how uh the rest of the
council is arriving at where they feel comfortable with the decisions on these.
Uh so any sort of comparison will help. The other thing that'll help is when uh
we have like a $68,000 lawnmower come up, just what fund it's coming from, how
much we've got in there, and then we can kind of identify, okay, we're here. This
is a big expense, it's a small expense. Just those that that's the only uh
» and that information is all outlined in the budget as far as where it's coming
from. It's it was part of the budget that was approved,
» right? I know that it what what I what I don't know is how much is in there and
like how big of a dent this makes that that's all just just because of those
uncertainties. It makes it hard to uh and we want to be there. We know you
know that information. It's just helpful for us. That's all. Thank you.
» Yeah. And then I can report that the used park equipment that we sold on
public surplus ended up bringing in about 21,000.
So it'll offset some of this cost as well.
» Okay. Oh, wait. Last. Is this Is this new used? I don't I don't know.
» This is new. >> Okay.
» Okay. Well, yeah, it's Especially when it's something that's going to be used
every day during the season, >> right?
» I don't think we want to deal with >> No, it's just the most expensive lawn
mower I've ever seen. That's [laughter] >> Well, you're not
I just I can't handle it. That's >> the one it's replacing, if we bought the
same model, would be probably 150,000. Wow. Lawnmowers went up.
» It's a bigger one. >> Okay. Well, just as I get clarification
on those things, I'll be more in supportive. Until I can, I can't make
those decisions on such a big cost. So, >> so with that being said, I'll entertain
a motion. >> I'm to approve the consent calendar as
noted. >> Is there a second? Okay. It's been moved
by Councilman um Rmler, seconded by Councilwoman Haniman. Um let's proceed
with the roll call vote starting from Councilman Young.
» Uh Andrew Young, no. >> Chris, yes. No.
» Oh. Oh, sorry. >> I'm sorry. Brent, can you
» Brent Rumler? Yes. >> Sarah Blackwell. Yes.
» Chris Anamman. Yes. >> Okay. Motion passes. Let's move forward
with public comment. We will start with Julie Scott,
followed by Isabelle Squires.
» How long would you like these comments to be, Mayor? Uh, let's see. Probably
two minutes. We've got a lot on the >> state's
» on the base on the microphone. Yeah. >> No, it doesn't.
» Oh, it's on the back. >> Ah, wonderful. Thank you.
» All right. I'm I'm here for to talk about the stop putting in the stop signs
up on Grove Drive and Alpine Boulevard. Um,
did I say that right? >> Yes. Anyway, [snorts] I we've my parents
have lived here almost 50 years and um I was here for my high school years and
and at that time Grove Drive ended just a little bit above. But now there's so
many houses up there and so many people. It's become a thoroughfare. I mean,
that's the way to get out of Alpine. And so, there's so much more traffic coming
down that road. And I noticed that there are only two spots on Grove Drive coming
down where there's a cross, like a four-way cross, and that's one of them.
The other one's down here on the main area. So, I really think that it is a
good proposal to to put in a four-way stop, put in the sidewalks, um put in
crosswalks. I know as since I've been here the last three years have helping
my parents, I have seen children walking and biking and and adults too um on that
road and crossing the road. And I know our ward is on both sides. So, these
kids have friends on both sides and they're crossing that. I think it's
really important and I'm voting for it. Thank you.
» Would you say your name again? I missed. >> I'm Julie Scott.
» What street do you live? >> Um, and I live on Moy Drive. So, we come
off Moy Drive and go right up there and and take either one either go straight
and down or go down Grove Drive. So, that's that's a road that we go down a
lot. >> Thank you very much.
» So, thank you. >> Isabelle Squires followed by Elizabeth
Wilson.
Hello, my name is Isabelle Squires from 999 Grove Drive. Um, I am a part of
Mountainville's Mountainville Academy student council. When I found out that
you were not letting us park at the park, I was sad because I love going to
the park to hang out with my friends and play on the playground while I wait for
my mom to pick me up. If you're worried about safety, the park is the safest
place to go. It's a big open space, so it's easier to find your parents' car.
You can see almost any car anywhere in the park. And if you're on the grass,
you are safe from any vehicle like cars or bikes. On rainy days, it's nice to be
able to go into the gazebo or or into the pavilion to be sheltered from the
rain. At our school, we focus on the seven habits. Think win-win is one of
them. To think win-win is when two or more people have different ideas and
they combine them so everyone gets what they want and are happy by working
together to get an outcome that everybody likes. Do you think the city
did that? They didn't ask us about our opinion about the traffic. If they would
have told us nicely that they had issues with what we were doing, we could have
come up with a better solution, maybe we could still work out a solution. I love
going to the park for pickup during school. I look forward to going to the
park after school. Going to the park is the highlight of my day, so I hope you
take that into consideration. >> Thank you. [applause]
Okay, after Elizabeth, we'll um hear from Julian Julianne Rally.
» Okay. Thank you. My name is Elizabeth Willis. I live on May Circle and I came
to city council about a year ago with um concerns that there was not a school
speed limit sign as you approach the school from the south in Mountainville.
And I'm just so happy. I'm really grateful that that has been amended um
because I even spoke with a state representative about that. So really
happy about that. I do love the crosswalk change. I think it's just such
a huge safety improvement. I have kids that go to Mountainville. Um, I will say
I do think it would really help alleviate traffic if we had the ability
to go to the park. Those individuals that come to the school from the north,
then you're catching them before they come south all the way to the school and
having to come and contribute to that congestion. So, I will say I do think
that that could be tweaked again with being able to go and alleviate some of
that traffic and get some of that up north instead of the congestion right
there on Main Street. But I do really appreciate the safety improvements for
my kids. So, thank you so much. >> Thank you,
» Mayor. There there was a sign there. We actually just took it down. So, maybe
the new design is more visible. So, that's great.
» Yeah.
the last two years and it wasn't
» typ typically the officers let us know um that check with that work the
crossing guards if there's an issue because we go work on them all the time.
It seems like we're at Westfield Road all the time. So that's one we had never
heard about not working. Okay.
Okay. We've got and then after um after Julianne we will
have Addie Squires. >> Okay.
» All right. Hi, I'm Julianne Rally and I live on Ponderosa Drive. I am an over
13-year resident of um Alpine and I am an also a 13-year
um employee at Mountainville Academy. So, I have two loves and I want to see
both um I want to see a win-win with this um parking situation. So, first I
want to I want to say um I want to add and say that I love the new crosswalk.
That is brilliant and I think it's going to help a ton. I really love it that um
and I love the new signs and flashing lights. I feel like it makes our school
safer and our students safer and that is my number one goal. I love my students
and I love um all of the students at Mountainville Academy and I want to keep
them safe and I want to um as a staff we've all we're constantly talking about
traffic and what we can do to you know we talk about ideas and things and so we
want a win-win there. I have my neighbors who come and talk to me and
they're like I hate the traffic and so I love that you're working on it and and
and I want to fully support that. Um my biggest thing is I read the report that
came out um earlier this year about uh recommending Legacy Park to be a drop
off and pickup solution for students. And I also read that there were concerns
about safety, but I feel like it is one of the safest
option. We've had that option for what is it 17 18 years and there haven't been
any incidents. it has been a safe option for students and to help alleviate
traffic. I think it's a really excellent solution. I would love to see you bring
that back. Um and
Oh, my phone doesn't want to work. Um but I do want to um I have 10 seconds.
Okay. I think that's the biggest thing is just please reopen and visit it. I
feel like it's safe. I think it's a win-win. It'll help alleviate traffic
and I really think that I see Tuesday
» and I see traffic there and I think we can make it again. Thank
» we'll have Addie Squires followed by Monica Ship.
» Thank you Isabelle. That was really brave. Oh, Addy Squires also 999 Grove
Drive. That was really brave and thanks for reminding us that we need to seek a
win-win here. I think that Mountainville had tried to do that by joining a task
force on safety and traffic. And so I think it's unfortunate from what I hear
that the city made these decisions unilaterally
sort of in an overnight ambush right before school started. And that's
exhibiting the win-lose mentality. Okay. And as has already been mentioned, it's
asinine to ask the city residents from the north to join the traffic to the
south and use the red pine option. Uh we were communicated with by the school
that that's where you want to move the traffic. So even though you might say,
"Oh, the kids can still play at the park." You're communicating we want to
move the pickup from the park to Red Pines. Now, the traffic report said that
the city suggested red pines as an option and they evaluated it and they
said, "Well, sure, okay, but if you're going to do it, you have to do it with a
trial period, with communication, collaboration, cooperation."
None of that was done, right? You just threw up those signs. And I mean, I have
questions about how that works because according to my understanding, the mi
the municipal code requires that the governing body direct the placement of
parking signs. And I've had communication from the council that
there was no council action taken to put up those temporary signs out there. Um,
and so I would ask you to follow your own rules and take the action properly.
And finally, you know, city parks hold a historic place uh in our constitutional
rights as places to gather to peaceibly assemble and enjoy freedom of speech and
their public spaces. And that's why I prefer to park there. I don't want to
park in front of a neighbor's house. I'd rather park in front of my city hall.
So, I respectfully ask that you reconsider the placement of those
parking signs. And maybe Andrew, I'm not sure how this works, but if we could
take a second and clarify, you know, and >> thank you for your time. I appreciate
it. >> If we could have Monica Ship followed by
Karen Mson. >> Is this I actually don't know the
process and is this clarified or is this something we have to do in closed
meeting to ask what the actual process is for uh uh us to make decisions on
putting up signs or not? I I read the email, but it was unclear. Let's talk
about this after. Yeah, this is public comment. It's not a public discussion.
It's public comment. So, let's let them have that time.
» Sorry, >> Monica.
» Hi, I'm Monica Ship. I live on 1270 North Grove Drive. Um I'm here to talk
about the um road improvements on Grove Drive from Alpine Boulevard to I believe
Heritage Hills. And um as many of the council members have heard, we had a
child hit there about five weeks ago on their baptism day. They went over there
on a bike and got hit by uh by a car. They broke their femur, had a
concussion, blood everywhere. Um it was not a good good good situation for him.
He is recovering and doing better and we hope he continues to recover. But um I
live just I am that house right north of that intersection and I have five little
kids of bike riding age that will be utilizing that street for the eternities
to come because we are not planning to move. Um, and so the concern here isn't
really that people are driving faster than the 25 miles per hour, which they
are. Not only the residents, but we have countless uh dump trucks just zooming up
there. Um, trades people going up there. We had people just r uh running over
there to get to Lambert Park as fast as they can to get on the trails. Um, we
understand that the city has conducted um previous studies to see if a four-way
stop sign is warranted and it wasn't warranted then, but since that study was
conducted, I believe 2022, maybe 2023, um, uh, we have had significant uh,
growth in the population just north of Grove Drive. Um, and so I am hoping that
we don't wait for another child or pedestrian or honestly a car accident to
happen, which I've witnessed this morning on my way back from uh dropping
my kids off from school. Two cars almost collided at that intersection because
they could not see each other um coming up from the both hills that are at that
intersection. So, I would ask you to please reconsider a four-way stop sign.
And then I know that the city has talked about curbs and gutters on North Grove
Drive. to prioritize that um for the kids going up there on their bikes and
um in the immediate time that this traffic study is
» Thank you, Julie. >> Traffic calming measures. So, thank you.
» Thank you, Monica. Um Karen Mson followed by Michelle Shamway.
» Hi, my name is Karen Mudson. I have a child who goes to Mountainville Academy.
I am Am I speaking out of turn?
» Okay. Um, so I came I actually live in Pleasant Grove. I don't live in Alpine,
but having a son who comes to Mountainville and hopefully three more
children right behind him coming to Mountainville wanted to come and address
uh the topic of traffic. And um I believe that it would be in everyone's
best interest if we can get traffic off of Main Street because that blocks the
city residents access that blocks um the the parents coming from neighboring
cities like myself. And so if we can increase the um access that the children
have to Mountain, one solution that I thought of comes from my hometown of
Sandy, Utah, where Sunrise Elementary School, the students could only access
through a very congested neighborhood. And so my parents helped to get an
easement of a sidewalk put in to allow the kids to walk through um in between
two home residences so that they could walk to another area to be picked up
there. And I think that this would work well on either 200 South or over to Red
Pines, but the faster that that parents can be picking up their students, the
less congestion there will be on Main Street. and Red Pine is too close to
that traffic circle to get traffic moving. So, the more that you could even
move up toward Legacy Park as been as has been talked about or to the backside
of Mountainville, if there's even a sidewalk, that would help the children
be able to get out of Mountainville to another road safely. That's all. Thank
you. >> Thank you.
Okay, Michelle. Excuse [clears throat] me. Michelle Shamway, followed by our
last um commenter, Sarah. I am going to slaughter your name. I'm sorry.
» Zistra. >> Zilstra.
» Zilstra. Sorry about that. Um, so my name is Michelle Shemway. I
live on 197 Hawthorne Court. And you guys probably remember I came before to
speak about golf carts. And I just wanted to readress it and see if you had
thought more about it. Um, I still feel really strongly that this is a really
good thing for our community. And after hearing all these things addressed about
traffic and things like that, I just can't help but feel like golf carts
could honestly be a solution. Like, you know, a lot of residents in Alpine have
golf carts and it could actually slow down traffic and be a safer way for drop
offs and pickups. And um, I feel safer in my golf cart than I do riding a bike.
So, I just feel like it's safe and I feel like um maybe I was thinking of
proposing like a trial period. You could do like a 30-day trial period and see
how it goes or something like that. Just an idea I just thought of before this
meeting, but just wanted to um readress it. So, thank you so much for your time.
» Thank you. Um Sarah,
hi. I live on Campfire Circle just down the street. Um, and to add to Michelle's
comment about golf carts. Um, we feel the exact same way. She kind of went
over the safety issues or the safety reasons why um, we want them, but um,
our mine is more like memories with my kids. Like I want to be able to ride my
or take my six-year-old to his baseball game at Westville down the street like
to the gas station. like memories small city feel like we don't have any stop
sign or stop lights like it just kind of slows everything down and just makes
everything um fun for the kids, fun for us. We get
outside, we have fresh air, we don't have to jump in a car all the time. Um
it's just a really fun thing for our family and I know it's a big thing for a
lot of other families that have special needs kids that take them out in the
neighborhood to interact with other kids. like that's how they get out and
interact and um something they look forward to. And um yeah, we just really
miss being able to ride them around and um socializing, the socialization that
it brings into the community and the fun memories that we're able to make with
our kids. Thanks.
» Thank you, Michelle. Okay, let's move on to item five, which is
reports and presentations. Um, who's doing the report on the golf
carts and the fiber survey? >> That would be me, mayor.
» Okay,
» zoom out of this. So, perfect segue from the last two
comments into this. Um, so as as everyone knows or should know,
we did a general information survey in the month of July regarding golf carts
and internet fiber. Um, so this is just kind of the the results of that.
So I'll just go through it. Um, we asked five questions with the golf carts, one
about the fiber. The first question we asked about golf carts was how
supportive are you of allowing golf carts to operate on designated public
streets within the city? And this was the result from the respondents. we had
uh a good amount strongly support um and an even greater amount that some would
oppose or strongly oppose uh golf carts and we'll get into the reasons why but
that's just the the raw numbers on that. Uh question two was what do you believe
are the primary benefits of allowing golf carts in your community? Select all
that apply. And so you can see the gray here is other which we'll get into those
comments and then these others that go around the pie chart. Uh the red is no
clear benefits. So these were obviously the people that didn't think golf carts
were a good idea. And then these are other uh responses that people could
fill out. Neighborhood mobility, recreation, environmental benefits,
reduce traffic congestion.
And you can see there's a lot of numbers here that more than the amount of people
that took the survey. We had about 650 people that took the survey, but that's
because they can answer multiple answers on this. Same with this one. Uh, what
concerns do you have about allowing golf carts on public roads? Select all that
apply. So, the gray is the other column as well, which has people filled in
comments on that one. Uh, the orange here is no concerns. So, as you can see,
most people had some level of concern. I think even the the people that favor
golf carts were were admitted that there might be some concerns that they wanted
to to address there. Um, concerns such as driver behavior was was the biggest
one. uh road sharing confluence traffic
accidents are some of the big ones. Um the fourth question was just where
you live. So you can see there's a wide sample here. This is just one page. So I
put etc here. We had people from all over the city responding to this and you
can see that in the raw data if you if you follow the link. And then the last
question was just what is your age? Um and so most people that responded were
were 45 or older to this survey.
Um, so yeah, the other information that I was referring to before, I can zoom in
a little bit on this. So there were 168 people that selected other, there were
166 total write in answers. So for question two that was about the
benefits, we had 26 people talk about the benefits of golf carts and 140
people talk about the concerns with golf carts on public roads. So that equals
the 166 respondents. However, we looked at the data a little
bit closer and what we found was that a lot of people that actually clicked on
the benefits other question actually filled out a concern. So that benefit
number went down to eight. Uh and the 139 of the responses were regarding
concerns. And then the other responses that were there, the 19 that were there
were more neutral or related to just policy suggestions.
So you can see in that table that that still equals the 166 uh respondents.
So I'll click on this link. This shows the the data that we did to make sure
that this is accurate what I'm saying right now. So
so we have for example one the question two primary benefits what the person
actually said was safety concerns greatly outweigh the benefits of my
mind. So we reclassified that as a concern.
uh or such as this one. This was clicked on as a benefit by the by the
respondent, but they actually said too many disobedient teenagers in town. So,
it's actually a concern. So, we just filled that out. Made sure that was
actually classified according to what the people were saying.
Let me go back to this now.
[clears throat]
Okay. Um and then I just had a word cloud made here. That was like the main
words that we found in the since concerns were the biggest response that
we got uh on those other responses. Uh this world word word cloud came out as
as these words the main words used driver age kid cart because the main
concern was definitely underage driving was what we found. So those are the most
used words. All right. And then the last question
like I said there was just one question about fiber that we had in the survey.
So, we said, "How likely is it that you would switch to Centricom Fiber from
Comcast if it was available as an option in Alpine City?" And these were the
results of that.
» Shane and I have been working with the new president of Centriccom to um see if
they would come into our city. Since I've been mayor, I've been trying to
excuse [clears throat] me, especially after the pandemic, realizing the need
for our residents to get reliable and consistent um fast-speed internet. Um,
as you guys all well know, we only have one provider in our city and um I've had
a lot of complaints from our residents that their rates keep getting hyped up,
their um connection isn't reliable. And so we have spoken with many many
different fiber providers throughout the years, but Centriccom is the one that
has come the furthest. They um they kind of specialize in smaller cities. Um we
had another meeting a couple of weeks ago um with Highland City also try to
entice them to come in and it looks like it's looking pretty good. what they need
from um our residents is to do if they're not getting reliable um fast
speed internet. What we're finding is what Comcast reported to the government
as far as the speeds that they're providing is that they're according to
the government and Comcast our map shows that
most of our residents are being serviced by one gig or more. But when I talk to
residents and have them do actual speed tests, there's one that's paying for one
gig and the speed that they're getting is like 211, which is not even, you
know, a fourth of what they should be getting for download speeds or upload
speeds. Um, so Centric, what it is, it's fiber to the home. So you have your own
fiber connection. Their infrastructure allows up to 11 gigs per line or, you
know, per connection. But um their general I believe one gig up and down um
their rate is about $74 and it hasn't changed much throughout the years. They
don't do the practice of raising your rates every six month six to 12 months.
Um I feel like you know if we can get somebody else to come in it's better for
our residents whenever there's a competitive market. So that's why I
needed some data to give to them what the temperature was of with our
residents because most of our residents are on that single
provider. Um they needed to know if there was a market that was available to
them. So that's why I asked Heidi since we were already doing one on the golf
carts that we um attached this to the end so that we can um see what the
temperature is of our residents. >> I would have responded but my internet
was too slow. [laughter] Is there a is there an infrastructure
cost to that to the city? >> Not to the city. No,
» that's why it's good. And they want to come in to the ones that are the most
underserved because I think they feel like the people that aren't getting
reliable internet are more likely to um you know go with them. And so that's
they want to see high success and be able to justify going more into our
city. They're already here. They service um city hall. They will be servicing the
fire station. They service all the schools in the city. So they do have a
backbone. >> If they were to come, do they have to
tear up our roads? >> No, they go into behind they do it um
it's in our rightway, but they do it behind the sidewalk
kind of like what um is it Utopia? I believe Utopia Fiber also does that. And
it's nice because they're not tearing up our roads. They're not doing the micro
trenching. um and you know if they can they'll try to utilize our overhead
lines which makes it much more um cost-effective for them but no there is
not an infrastructure cost to us which is huge because most of the fiber
companies I've met with wanted a2 to4 million
um outlay from us well and actually it was two million back before it was right
about the pandemic times when all the prices started going up.
Okay. Anything else? >> Nope. That is it. I'll just say because
Heidi wanted me to make sure I communicated this. Um, oh, so yeah,
here's the source for the raw data for anyone who wants to look at the actual
raw data. The survey, Heidi wanted to make sure I communicated that this is a
statistically valid survey based on how we conducted it. Um, it was put in the
news line in early July. It ran for about three weeks to July 1 to July 5th
to around um, you know, mid July. Um there were two to three social media
posts about this that she put out. Uh it was emailed to every email we have for
the utility building. So about 200 households or more. Um like I said we
had over 600 responses to it and the survey was filtered so that only one
response could be given per device. So I just wanted to put that information out
there >> which is I mean that's a huge response
pool for a small city like our size. I think um when I told when I was telling
them about the survey results, they were surprised that we had so many
respondents.
» Okay. >> You just want us to go one by one
quickly on them. >> No, that's just the results. Is there if
you if you have questions about it, you can look at the raw data or you can
» Well, just a couple comments. Did you want to go though, Brent? I will you
» No, I Sarah doesn't I I'll go quick then.
» The um Thanks for doing it. That's awesome. The uh I'm looking at golf
carts like fireworks. Like the reason fireworks are dangerous is because the
environment we're in is like high fire. >> Um
» Okay. Um >> Well, no. I was just going to say no.
Okay. Hold on just a second. And it's really quick.
» This isn't a discussion. This is a presentation that he made. If you have
something that you want >> to let him want to know what to do next,
what to do next. So, >> if you want to pursue it, then it's the
same thing as anything else. Get another council person to get it on the agenda.
» Right. >> But this is just a
» We're not We're not going to discuss it at all. not not discuss it at all.
» No, we're moving on. >> Okay. The the
» discussion will be if you want to bring it back to a
» Well, it's it's not it's just one thing with the study. That's all I was going
to say. I'll just say it quick. The study, everyone is against kids driving
golf carts. In the study, though, it wasn't clear that kids would not be
allowed to drive golf carts. So, most of the people saying that they don't like
them. We're all in agreement. We don't want kids to drive golf carts. as I
talked to them, they didn't understand this was a survey for only adults with
driver's license to drive golf carts. So, there's just one loophole. So, so
the people that are for this who have been pushing for this, you might want to
do a little more education for the folks and let them know what this actually was
and then maybe come back at it because I know this was your this was this the
genesis was you and so they didn't understand that. So, just that was all.
Thank you and thank you for doing the fiber. I think that's I think it's gonna
help. >> Okay. Financial report, Shane.
[clears throat] >> Yeah. So, we're we're just one month
into our our new budget year. Uh but we did uh get our last sales tax uh
allocation for FY26, which put us about 2.76%
uh increase over the previous year. Uh so, it's good to see some growth there.
um uh the books were closed after we received this last week. Um Dave
finalized that and we're actually moving into our audit um next week. So he had
that all kind of teed up and it's actually pretty much unheard of to do
that. Um but Dave Dave does a great job with it. So um you only being one month
in, we have we've expended some funds. If you go through and look at insurance,
it might say 80% or something like that, but it's 8% through the budget year, but
it's front-loaded, so don't get concerned with those type things.
Uh, the largest project in our budget is well underway, um, the fire station. And
so, we'll start seeing regular monthly uh, payments, you know, in the 250,000
range, probably sometimes more depending on equipment and things. But, um, It's
going well so far. So, um, any questions
related to the financial report? It's pretty brief, one month in.
» Anybody have questions? Okay. Thank you, Shane. Let's move on to
um report on the CWPP.
Chief, are you doing that or is Chief Beck?
» Okay.
I'm going to talk about CWP. Essentially, the CWPP
coincides with our CWS that we that we go through every year, which is our
cooperative wildfire agreement, which essentially
says that we are going to play ball with the state. And what what
we do for our CWS is we keep a current CWPP.
We have a monetary cost based on um essentially our threat level which we
t we do in kind work. Um so things like equipment purchases and engine purchases
and and also mitigation projects, anything like that, we count that
towards the cost of of the CWS. And what the CWS really gives us is
I I would I would refer to it as more of an insurance. If we have a fire that
starts in Alpine proper and goes to state or federal or if it stays in
Alpine proper, if if Lambert Park, which is completely in Alpine City, caught on
fire, if that fire gets big enough to where we
have resources that come in and that fire gets delegated, the state is going
to take on the cost of that fire. So if you know back to 2012, we have that fire
again. We've got VLATs coming. I mean, one VLAT drop is going to be
a million dollars, right? And that's why fires cost so much money. And
essentially what that does is protect us from
protect you rather from having to have that
cost. So the CWP is something that we keep current all the time. Um what you
have in your packet I believe is probably somewhere in the neighborhood
of 91 pages long. Um we opted rather than to just fill out the state template
to really put in a very detailed um CWPP plan.
um so that we can also use this to hopefully fund some grant requests and
help with the mitigation efforts in both Alpine and Highland.
With the the old CWPP, um it became very apparent quickly that
nobody's going to give us a bunch of money if we don't have a plan. So the
CWPP, the community wildfire protection plan is what is required and it needs to
be a robust plan that's detailed and and really lines out what we are going to do
if the state or the federal government or anybody gives us money.
» So how soon um can we start going for these grants for the mitigation or
» I would assume right now. We have all the signatures. CWPP's been put back,
given back to the state. So, I would think that it's official and we just
need to figure out what grants are out there. And
» well, what about the grant that um Draper got um to do all their wildlife
or wildland mitigation work that came down into Alpine on the northwest
corner? Um is there any way that we can go for grant that will continue that
work along the northern border and then if eventually the east um the eastern
border of our city >> as long as that northern and eastern
border are not forest >> right
» that was a state grant >> right the northern side it's mostly
owned by the city right it's um public open space and so when I talked to the
» that's the place that we could >> when I talked to is it Mike is that his
name when I talked to Mike I said that's all city property and we give you
permission to do mitigation work. Um the east um border of Alpine is a little bit
more difficult but it's mostly private own private land owners and I think they
would be amendable um once we get that grant money or if we need to get their
permission and we can go around and start doing that also but the sooner we
can get working on that the better. >> Absolutely. We just need a grant writer.
We know of one. >> Good.
» We have to pay him. But yes, we do know of one.
» Well, we we have a little bit of money. We Did you get the first submission we
got? Did that go to you or Justice Shane?
» No, I was copied on it. >> Were was it good?
» Well, I don't He's the boss of the fire brigade.
» Did you like it? >> We'll talk.
» Why don't you We pitch the first one to do is Lambert. basically all the homes
on Lambert on our trail to get rid of all of the fire problems. I thought it
was good. >> Okay.
» I think we ought to change our name to fire brigade.
» There you go. Do you guys have any >> I like it. Well, whatever.
» Do you have any questions? >> Well, just whenever you have one
» regarding the CWPP. >> Uh, we love it.
» I don't I don't have any regarding the CWP. I did notice in there that they
commended, you know, three falls for their mitigation work. And would it be
possible either for Jason Jones or Chief Beck or yourself to come and speak to
like have a community education night and go over what's worked really well
for Three Falls and how we can translate that into other community subdivisions
and >> Yeah, absolutely.
» Would you be the one or should I reach out to Jason?
» No, I think Jason would be the one. He's he's the one that's been either
facilitating or recommending the work that's being done up there. So,
» okay. Jason or or I mean we've worked a lot with with Jason to try to make sure
that we're I mean we want to know what's being done so that because there are
there are parts of that work that's being done that we can tie into if we
had an event up there. So we're very much want to be a part of it. Not so
much the work but as far as knowing what the resources are up there.
» Okay. >> Yeah. So like all the people that I know
up at Three Falls, they've done their own mitigation work and Jason has kind
of guided them and kind of gave them hints like oh you know this is what you
want to do not like a complete fire line. He's kind of in line with what the
um Forest Service >> and um what the state and the county
level have kind of suggested with that and that's what they're working on is
basically clearing the dead fall, thinning it out.
» So it's more the private property owners up there that have been doing it and
Jason's just kind of been helping. The only thing that has not been done by the
um private property owners was the leftover money that was given to Draper
to do the fire mitigation when they were going around the perimeter of their city
was that there was extra monies and so they used it to come down and kind of
met up with three falls and did a little bit to that. So coming down that there's
been fire mitigation done on um Draper side and then where it meets Alpine and
it comes down into Alpine but then the money ran out. So if there is a
potential like on the east side that's more privately owned like if we get
grant money we would focus primarily on the north city property and then if
there's extra we could we can help >> private res
none of it went into private residents. >> Okay.
» It's all on city property. >> Okay. That was my
» there was some access through private property um just to get access so that
they didn't have to come up and over the mountain every single time especially
when they were getting closer that they did ask for access and we work with
private property owners to be able to use their drives to get to an area so
that it wouldn't take them hours to get to where they needed to be.
» Okay. Thanks. And I just have one last question in here. It talks about
specific subdivisions that are, you know, have a higher higher
risk or would you just classify those as like along the interface and the benches
or are there other subdivisions that are not bordering wilderness or on the
higher elevations that would also be considered
high risk? Um, right off the top of my head, we do have a couple, at least one
that I can think of that is not necessarily bordering the urban
interface that is internal, if you will. >> Okay.
» It's not right on the border pushing up against the foothills that is for sure a
high risk. >> Okay. Maybe I'll just email you. I'm
just curious what where they are, you know, if there's a way we can target
target some education towards those specific areas, those communities.
Right. Yeah. That's >> and and the CWPP that is part of part of
the CWPP is the education component. It also brings into you know evacuation and
how we get information out. And so when you know going through this and doing
our tabletops and everything that we did leading through this, we had police, we
had city officials. Um, yeah, it's it's a it's a lot of people when you start
looking at a if we were to have a huge event for us to be prepared.
» Yeah, I got to participate in that or attend the tabletop. That was really
interesting. So, thank you. >> My um Kaden, would you mind scrolling
down to page 149 of this document? Of course, me being a visual person, I love
these maps or hated them one way, however you look at it. Could you just
put this into layman's terms about the the risk that we all live with daily?
[laughter]
» Well, you see the red, >> that's the wildfire risk in Alpine. So,
Alpine C currently sits at I want to say 98
point something percent of cities in this country when it comes to wildfire
risk. Meaning 98% of this country has less wildfire risk than Alpine.
So what that red is is is wildfire risk. Alpine has is a beautiful city that has
a lot of open space. It has a lot of contiguous places for fire to travel,
which is how we outline urban interface. if a fire can move from one home to
another or from this part of the forest to that part of the forest. And really
urban interface is going to be one home to another. So one house house catches
on fire, it has the ability to travel via trees, shrubs,
those types of things. That's really how we define urban interface.
H >> how come the north is white?
» Those are the granit. >> Oh, okay.
» They don't burn. There's just no Yeah, the rock.
» We don't find out. >> Can you go down to the next one? Um, and
I was curious about the blue here. What What makes it more
very low? What are those places? Because because I can't interface this with like
Google Earth, but you you probably know these by the like at the back of your
hand. >> Um, maybe not. So, where the mouse is
down on the bottom right there, that's Alpine.
Okay, >> so back to our white. If we scrolled up
and we look at that same line, the white up there on top where we've got the
little looks kind of like a mountain range and we go down to the next one.
So, back to the granit, very low risk of burning the granates.
» Okay. >> So, then down here in the there, if you
go if you go where the mouse is, that that's our city.
» There's like our our our canyons and stuff. Yes.
» I see. Okay. And I would assume that that lower right is going to be the top
attemp. So back to rock, >> right? Okay. Thank you for helping me
interpret these. I was not following this very well to be honest. Let's keep
going down the next one. Let's see if there's anything that stands out worth
that's noteworthy. So knowing we're down here in this lower corner. This is the
wild. This is the lone peak. So this includes Highland Highland and Alpine.
Is that correct? >> Yes.
» Okay. All right.
» So, where you see that yellow line where you know you kind of have the white
there, that that line that wraps around is going to be your, you know, where
your exposure score starts. >> So, in a future meeting, we will be
presenting a with uh House Bill 48 or 41, whichever
one mandated the new maps. >> Okay.
» We will we will have we need to approve a five or greater. So essentially, we're
going to draw a line through Alpine that says everything on this side of the
line's five or higher. Everything on the side on the inside of that line's going
to be five or lower or four or lower. >> But it could be internal like it could
be polka dot like because we have such internal open areas.
» No. >> No.
» The state did not build it that way. Basically what the state did is they
came off of the mountains and then they brought brought it down.
» Okay. I don't exactly know how they did it.
» How far they came in, but they came in. >> So, okay,
» rather than poke it out, it really is just kind of an outside line,
» which makes the CWP and some of this stuff even more important so that we can
articulate, hey, while we may not be in your high-risk zone,
» this is an identifiable high-risisk zone that we need some help with.
Okay, let's just look at the last one. I don't remember if I had a question. Just
that I needed a little bit of lay man's interpretation. Anything here?
Suppression difficulty index. Is that because of the steepness of the slopes?
It's >> inaccessible roads, that type of thing.
» Yeah. No roads, right? >> Steepness. So everything on on your east
side and even on your, >> you know, up to the granite, that's
going to be really hard for us for us to suppress and and really anybody for that
matter. Okay, thank you. That was very helpful.
» And I just want to clarify. Sorry, Chief. Alpine's actually up here now.
I'm remembering the wildlife urban ever face map. We're not down here. We're
We're like right here. >> Yeah, that's the corner.
» So, we're in the yellow. >> Yeah.
» Yeah. You got a bunch. You got a lot of your yellow.
» Moderate exposure. 30 three out of eight. Four out of eight.
» So, you can get on the It's called the URAP, which is essentially if you just
kind of Google Utah wildfire, it'll put you on the URAP portal. You can go into
the URAP portal and you can put in an address. You can pull up the whole city
and it will give you your exposure score per property.
» Yeah. >> One of the other things because um I I
re recently was learning more about water. There was one in here about our
watershed. >> So um is that how is how does that
relate is if there was a fire it would ruin all our water or like how does that
interface? >> Okay. essentially. So when we look at
like American Fork Canyon, you know, Dry Creek, any of these places where all of
the water and not just our water, >> a lot of water in the north part of this
county, >> um that all of the a potential, you
know, if if we had a fire, you look at what happened with Beaver with their
fire when the flooding came down and that kind of stuff. We have something
similar, a fire that goes through American Fork Canyon, we have similar
type of vents. We may not be able to get PI water. You know, a lot of our PI
water comes out the stuff we're not pumping comes out of American Fork
Canyon and maybe not Alpine, but Highland for sure. Um, but all of your
groundwater, you put that kind of, you know, contaminants and fire and
stuff into your groundwater. Um, we we have a a big potential for
water contamination as well as, you know, one of the things that we saw with
the quail fire was was flooding, right? The mudslides and and those types of
things. >> Okay. Now that I'm still getting my
bearings here on this map, why are you saying that we as a fire district and I
serve on that board, we cover way up into the mountains? Like that's your
resp like our like that's us. We cover 125 square miles. We cover clear to the
Salt Lake border. So basically, and it's not right up the Highland Boulevard, but
it's in around Draper now where Draper owns essentially to the Salt Lake County
border. >> Clear up to the corner where we meet
Wasach. And then down Wasach, we come around the face of Temp.
» We cover a large portion of Mahogany. And
» so what you're telling me it's much larger than our city boundary. Correct.
» Yeah. The combined city, I believe, is 25 square miles. So, we cover
» Well, Alpine is only eight, but with Highland, we're probably
» in that neighborhood. >> 25. Yeah.
» So, this square portion on the bottom is that American Fort Canyon.
» That is our that is our coverage area. So, American Fort Canyon's actually in
come down just a little bit. Right about there is where American Fort
[clears throat] Canyon is. And then you've got mahogany going up and then
the face of temp. And >> I see. So that's why it's all dark
because lots of vegetation. Okay. I'm learning to read your maps. Thank you.
» Not my maps. That's tutorial. Wait, why does it go down so far south? Are you
guys still including Cedar Hills or is that
» we still cover from the agreement with whatever agreement was it made? We still
cover that part of the mountains. So we cover clear down to the Cedar Hills city
border on the face of >> the mountains. Okay.
» Interesting. >> These aren't our maps. These are also
state maps. So, you can pull all of these maps off that URAP site.
» Okay. >> But I won't have you to tell me what
they mean. So, I'm really glad you went through it.
» Call me anytime. >> Thank you.
» A little darn work. >> Andrew, do you mind if you could talk to
um Draper Fire Department and see who they use to write their grants and maybe
get direction from them? >> Sure. So, if we could move forward on
that because my understanding was that we try to go for those mitigation grants
and we didn't get it because our CWPP wasn't um
» robust enough >> robust enough for a lack of better and
then that's why we went through this process. We got a grant to do the CWPP,
hired um outside consultants, they came in um
» this has been an 18month process. >> Yeah, it's been a long long process.
They finally have it together. So, for me the next step would be to go after
those grants. Yeah.
» Thank you, Chief. >> Just need a grant writer. I didn't ask
» Draper and see who they use for their grant writing because you want somebody
you want somebody who knows what they're doing. And grant writing is very
specific to each specialty, whether it's fire, playground equipment, roads,
whatever it may be. Everybody has their things that um they know. So, if you
could talk to them and kind of get a lead
» and then we can move from there. Thank you. Mayor Merrill, do you mind if I ask
a follow-up question to one of before Andrew goes? Thank you, Andrew. Um, just
with regards to watershed, is there anything that we can or should be doing
now to help protect our wershed in case of a fire? Is there anything we can do
to prevent that? Besides just preventing >> our best I think our best bet is to try
to prevent the fire. >> Okay.
» So, I don't I don't know. I mean, >> yeah. I don't I don't know what we would
do. >> More water. Maybe if there's less water
to contaminate. I don't know. I'm just kidding. They're in California. They're
doing the big >> Thank you, Chief. Appreciate it.
» Well, hold on. I got one from the They're doing the big storage tanks at
people's homes >> because that that is helpful to have it
dispersed. So, anyways, it's a double one for So, I learned that uh the the
window for doing the mitigation is not in the winter. I thought it was in the
dead in the winter. It's from October to Novemberish, September, October. So,
we're actually arriving in our perfect window. That was the only reason I
submitted that project is because our windows open. Thanks for doing it with
me, Brent. Um, so if you have projects that you would like us to do or you
think could be urgent, we'd love to do it or I I should say I would love to do
it uh before the winter because if we can do it this fall, then by spring and
summer when we h if we have another year like this, we'll just be we'll be a lot
more ready for it. So, I don't know what process you want to go through on that.
However you want to do it, we'll follow your lead. But I'll just submit ideas.
But if you have one you want, let us know. And we have the budget allotted
that we put for this budget. Uh we can also start with that. Uh am I under the
» We might want to use it for a grant writer.
» Sure. Or grant writing. Grant. Am I under the understanding that that budget
is just by us submitting to utilize those funds? Is that the process?
» There there are funds allocated in the budget for
» mitigation work. Yeah. >> Right. Okay. So, do we submit for a
grant writer or submit for a project or an emergency or whatever he says would
be best? Is that fair for everyone? Is that
» that's a discussion that we need to have. Yeah. How to
» I mean obviously we would want the input from the fire chief. He would be he's a
subject matter expert. So, we will lean on his expertise.
» You got to have the chief. >> Okay.
» Okay. Well, if you have a process, let us know because currently we're a little
bit >> we're we're it's ambiguous and we're in
the dark as to what the process is to do fire mitigation. So, let us know what it
is. Thank you.
Okay, let's move on to um citizens water committee report. We have Mr. Steven
Burroughs who has championed um conservation for our city and has done
so much work. I've asked him to come and give a report um just to keep everyone
updated especially the work that you did during alpine days.
» We'll do so. Thank you for your time. We're [clears throat] twothirds of the
way into the water year right now and a lot has happened. We especially
appreciate the city staff, Heidi and Shelley and Carolyn and Don and Deian
for the cooperation. Clyde uh Staer and I, we come every Monday for two hours
and we partner with them and making calls to those who have leaks. We
consider what uh can be done to help uh increase the uh uptake of our app and
consider for a long term what we could be doing. So let me give you some
statistics that will help you understand where we are and a sense of where we
think we should be going forward. So our goal this year was to when compared to
last year decrease total utilization by 25%.
That's a lofty goal. Okay. Uh that sort of goal will need to continue into next
year. So far during that twothirds of the water year through uh August 15th,
our total water use is down uh about 11% and a little over 11% is PI only. So
yes, we do have places where outdoor water is used culinary, but we're down
and I think once over 10, that's good. We're moving fast and hard to the rest.
The first few months have been a focus on education. Education around two
things. One is the ordinances around restrictions and the guidelines around
using and then conservation. Uh we this is an experiment in how much can we get
in way of results with conservation education and restriction education. The
answer is it helps. It's one of the many levers you pull to ultimately get to the
point that the use of water doesn't exceed the supply of water. And as you
read about what the Colorado uh river plans are, it's all about not about what
the state's demand or need. It's all about the supply. And as we move
forward, we're going to recommend some ways to understand what our supply is as
we enter next water season so we can adjust if needs be education,
restrictions, enforcement, etc. so that we don't exceed the supply. Hopefully
with a good uh snow pack, the supply will be higher and it won't affect those
things that we're accustomed to. Uh a couple things we're we're doing. Let me
just talk about Ion water first. Ion water is an app that's made available
free from the city. Um about 44% of of property owners have it. It grow it's
going gradually in the 1 of June 41% of the city users had it. Um unfortunately
only 39% of those who have leaks have it. The challenge is have it and use it.
So, a fun story that Carla's very much aware of, uh, Clyde and I are retired,
so we choose fun projects and we saw with Heidi's help Alpine Days. Who would
not want to be at Alpine Days? And we got a free t-shirt. So, that made the
difference. So, from 10:00 until 8:00 on Friday and on Saturday from 10 until 6,
he and I manned a booth right next to uh the city booth. Now Clyde and I are
business development people. So it's one of those we're proceliting basically.
And Clyde knows everybody. So anyone that he knows, even about 15 yards away,
if he called their name, they'd come over. Long story short, half we we
talked to a hundred people about 50 of them chose to stay long enough with us
to pull out their iPhones and do the steps. There's only a few steps to
actually download the ion water. Okay. A major part of that is make sure they
allow push notification. So if there's a leak, they would know. The other half
were I've got it, but I don't know how to use it or as a partner may say,
"Honey, you deleted it." So we reinstalled it. The whole idea is raise
the consciousness level of what we can do personally to manage water. The next
project that we've been working on, uh, like I said, since June, we've been
making those calls. We're finding there's got to be a more productive way
to reduce what we call leaks. Leaks in our definition are is a continuous flow
of water for 24 or more hours. Think of that. We think of a broken pipe. We
think of a valve that's malfunctioning. There's also the possibility that
consciously or subconsciously I I allow my watering to go 24 hours or more. So
we right now no one should be watering 24 hours or more. Okay. So we during the
next couple months and with the help especially of of Don and Shelley we're
we're doing two things. We're identifying those who and there's 608 of
the there's about 12% of all the meters out there that there is a leak as per
that definition. Okay. Half of that is 10 gallons or more an hour. All right.
So about a third of that uh 608 have a problem. Okay. So you take 10 x 24* 7*
30 it adds up fast. Okay. um some and so our goal is that our goal is a couple
fold. One is we'd like that number of 608 to be less than 500 by the time the
the water uh year ends. And we'd like as many people as possible, especially for
PI to be notified and take action to repair after October 15th. You repair
something, you don't know if it's repaired until April 15th next year.
Second of all, we have a goal of over uh five over 50% of all water users having
ion water. And so there's a we're we're like I said very closely with the sea
staff and combining efforts and ideas to decree increase the number of
applications through of ion water and decrease the number of accounts that
have leaks going forward. That's what we're doing the next couple of months.
The priority that hopefully this will go work right into the next uh agenda item
is to support a couple things. One is to support the identification and funding
of those deficiency projects that support water both PI and culinary and
second of all is to figure out processes that will help the enforcement.
We're we're working with uh Clyde as a tech guru and Heidi to automate where
possible the notification to of those 608 accounts who have a leak. And then
for right now, every week the major segments, the city uh for business and
parks, the schools, the the um churches and the a users, they get a report uh
from that that leak report of who has a leak. And then we follow up every week
and we're finding that action is being taken. It's a personal s source of pride
to say this week is less than last week. But to give you a sense, uh, most
recently 28 million gallons were in some way leaked. So our goal is to reduce
that number of accounts with leaks to under uh, five 500.
» Did you say this week or this season? >> The this, as of the most recent leak
report, and some of these leaks have been going on for a long time, there's
28 million. Okay. Um, so the goal the goal is Go ahead.
» I mean, It's a huge number, but there's always going to be leaks in the system.
Any given city is just part of it. You do like a percentage of your total water
usage. But what these gentlemen have been doing is it's a huge thing. Right.
There was because some of these people have had leaks since we turned PI on and
they were not aware of it at all. >> That's right. We have all sprinklers and
property owners. Yeah. So Clyde and I have all sorts of fun stories of people
picking up the phone and first of all denying that they have a leak and then
we talk through is is a hot tub, is a swimming pool, is there a faucet in the
backyard that a grandson may have? And then they check it out and it's like
thank you, you know, and uh very few have been um recalcitant towards it.
most of them have tried to figure out what the leak is and they and we help
them figure out maybe try it a different way. So we feel pleased with what has
happened. Uh 11% reduction is good. We're working towards having a at least
a 12 and a half% reduction by the end of the year. There's mitigating factors and
I would just end with to get to where we need to to make sure demand doesn't
exceed supply there's multiple levers. It's the education. It's the
restrictions. It's our rating system. It's uh it's it's doing what's needed to
make the system efficient. It's enforcement. All those things are going
to have to be pulled to eventually get to that point we don't exceed supply.
Thank you. >> Thank you so much. Appreciate all your
work. Honestly,
[clears throat] >> I
» One of the highlights, Mayor, was they almost got rained out one day at Alpine.
» I know. No. Friday. No, I was um able to sit down with them for much of Friday
and Saturday and see them in action and they were amazing.
» So, this is a follow-up question. Are we calling on culinary leaks or only PI?
» Both. Okay. >> The six the 608 is for both or is that
just PI? >> Both. All together. All the leaks
together. And so, yeah, all we get is whether they have a leak or not. And
then we, you know, and then when they do the eye on water, it should tell them,
it tells them what the leak is. And then you can go into the app and it depends
on there's a setting um on how big the pipe
sizes that tells you whether it's culinary or PI. The larger pipe size is
for PI, the smaller pipe size is for indoor. Indoor is usually leaky toilets.
um outdoors either PI or as we discovered it's um hot tubs that
automatically recycle and autofill and there was a leak in the hot tub and it
just kept filling it and they had no idea.
» I I'm a success story too but we'll tell that success story offline.
» I'll come tell you my experience with ion water and my leakage report that
came to my email. >> Yes. Okay, let's move on to action
items. No, we've got um the sales tax bond for the
fire station. Um do we need to do anything else or
should I just go ahead and open the public hearing? Do you have a
» just explain this is a public hearing is required. It's it's been scheduled. It's
been advertised. It's one of the steps in the process. Um this will kind of
round out the public meeting requirements for the bond. Uh we do have
Mark Anderson online. If anyone has any uh questions for him, I'm sure he'd be
happy to answer those. Um the uh requests for bids have been sent out.
Um they're coming due uh couple days, the 27th and then the
first part of um September everything can be closed out.
» Okay. >> Okay. I will um open the public hearing
for the sales tax bond for the fire station. So, at this point, the public
is welcome to come up and speak about um the sales tax bond. Um you will have
three minutes to make a statement. The floor is open.
Okay. As no one has come forward, I'm going to close the public hearing
and then we'll move. Okay. Item B. Um, so sir, when they do you want to explain
with the brick why? >> Yeah. So, uh, we meet every Thursday,
just a progress meeting on the fire station. Um, last Thursday we met and
they said, "Hey, we we got to have this brick on whatever approval process you
have, uh, we need to do it ASAP." They were estimating based on what they had
been told by some of these brick companies 12 to 16 week delivery times
and to hit their marks it had to be right now. So as they were I said I need
actual samples not just pictures of what the brick color would be or whatever.
Um, so they were gathering those up and as they were working on that end of it,
the times they were given were more favorable and they said, "We're we're
still gathering samples. We're fine to wait two more weeks." And so that's
that's why it's um just needs to be put off for a couple weeks. So we will have
actual samples. We'll try to have them, you know, maybe shoot for like the
Friday before the meeting. So if you want to come in city hall and look at
them earlier, you can do that. But >> is the timeline so favorable? We may
still be able to use real brick because >> Yeah.
» Okay. >> Yeah.
» They thought they had to get it in, but when they asked for the samples, they
realized that the lead time wasn't quite as long as they were originally told. So
that's why they're >> they're the seller is trying to
underpromise and overd deliver. >> Probably.
» Okay, let's move on to item C. Approval of the sculpture garden plan.
» Okay. So, um >> there no motion needed on either of the
last two. >> No,
» no motion needed. Okay. >> The public hearing is just kind of like
a public comment period and then B was is removed from the agenda.
» Okay. the um Heritage Arch Arts Foundation have been working hard to uh
prepare planning, irrigation, and lighting plants u to be uh put for the
city council for approval. Um they've been coming in and either coming in or
checking in with us weekly. Um we work through a few things. Uh there's still a
a few outstanding items after tonight um that are being worked on, but those will
be brought back later. Um
so these plans are
there will be some changes. Um for example, there's a closet door out here
and it shows a tree planted in front of it. There's going to be some little
things like that. Um but uh Bob has a presentation. He'll
he'll go through some things with you tonight and uh hopefully answer any
questions that you have um to work towards moving uh this project forward.
You
» Thank you. We have some fun
» sorry this Yeah, we do have some fun updates to share with you. Um so if we
go to slide two just real quick. Um we've uh we've met with two households
and we're at about 56% of campaign goal that's pending right now. Two
households. Um we're confident that things are going to
go in the right direction. Um so uh yeah um
if we go to the next slide this uh this was a question that was raised about
just the relative roof heights um and the garden pavilion the gazebo um
element um right now uh stands about 20 feet 2 in um we're still going to be
getting some specs on that from a builder and and some others that are
doing engineering um architectural drawings. Uh but it's going to be close
to that range. Um and there were questions about how high it was and whe
whether or not it would um um kind of be dominant in the area. So wanted to make
sure that that was understood. Um the next slide talks about um the safety for
the stained glass. Um, so I was able to get some great feedback from Tom
Holdman, his team. Uh, they've been installing stained glass and uh, 200
temples. They've got another hundred that they're working on. Um, they just
installed in some islands. Uh, is designed to withstand hurricane force
winds. Uh, 2x4s going 80 miles an hour. Um, and it protect it's protected. So,
um, those those will be, uh, there for a good long time. Now, that doesn't mean
they're indestructible, right? Somebody who's bound and determined to wreck them
can do that, but uh, we're taking that into account also. And so, um, let's go
to the next slide. Um, it's a familiar face.
[laughter]
» Yeah. Um, so one of the families that we met with uh
just suggested, you know, there's there's somebody that's been around the
block a few times, understands, you know, some sprinklers and and some
things doesn't need to take the role of Emily who's been a part of this for so
long, right? But um could be um instrumental in helping kind of some
boots on the ground kind of approach. So, uh, you know, I it's important to
say that, uh, this is a volunteer role. Um, huge, uh, thank you to him, right?
Um, but it's also part-time. He does have other work to do, um, during the
day. And um so the ideas he would report to Emily and um Heritage Arts
Foundation, one of the things that he shared with me that I loved um our first
meeting, he said, "Bob, um if I think something is bad for Alpine, I'm going
to say it." And you know, this whole uh project for the last two years, it's
something that we've said and we stand by it. We want to make sure that this is
a gift that comes to you with no regrets. So, um, we love that about, uh,
what he said. So, uh, the role does not revise designs, um, direct change
orders, approve costs, or replace licensed professionals unless we
desperately need him, right? Somehow, right? Um, so the next slide, um, this
is the part that, uh, we're pushing off. Um, I don't know if you recall way back
when when we originally put together the letter of uh, intent, there was a one
pager that had to do with um, donor gifts and recognition and it only
focused on the statues. Um, and that now is insufficient. And so I'm I'm
recommending that it be brought up uh, next month um, and be presented here. um
it's the last thing that really kind of remains. Um but uh you know because of
that change if we go to the next slide I'll just share with you um this is a
quick one-page glimpse of the major features. These are kind of four main
buckets that donor gift opportunities fall into. Um significant elements
hardscape landscape individual elements and then endowment. And I do want to
just go to the next slide real quick uh because this is a slide of great
interest, right? Um this is an example of some donor opportunities that all
relate to the maintenance ongoing support of the garden. All right. Um and
we're refining these. Uh the numbers are still in in kind of a a process, but uh
if there were no changes um to this, we're pursuing funding that would be
somewhere around 169,000 per year um perpetually
endowed and that would come to the city every year to take care of this. It
could be a person, it could be product, it could be all kinds of things. So, um
I this is an example of why we felt having this discussion next month would
be helpful. So, so um I'll turn the time over to Emily
to provide update on the three plans.
» So, um you should have a planting plan and an irrigation plan and a lighting
plan. um spent a lot of time thinking through making sure especially in a
drought year that we're not we're using water wise plants. We have water wise
plants that um will frame the pavilion. We also have this the water feature
that's come since we've last um spoken to and then making sure that we also
have something that is giving year round interest in the garden that is also
maintainable like that we don't have so many things going on that it's not
maintainable you know just that and it's visually pleasing to the eye. Um making
sure that we have drip line in place. We know that you are an example to the city
as well. Um but we um And then for the lighting, we like to do
more historical lighting. We've looked into solar, but solar seems to take and
not take from my experience um of trying to do solar. Um sometimes it goes and
sometimes it doesn't. So I feel like doing electric is um a better solution.
So have anything you any questions?
» Brent, do you have any questions? >> Just in general questions. Um, I did
look up all the plants and I appreciate that they are all drought resistant. I
was I didn't look up to see if they are native to Utah, but I'm assuming maybe
one or two are, but I don't know if you know that off the top of your head.
» Well, there are there are some that are, and there's some that, you know,
obviously the poppies are native to here. Um, but there are some that are
and some that aren't, >> but a lot of them are.
» Nice. >> We did request from the city and found
on the website um an approved set of that the city puts out and that became
the basis for this but then we had to expand because that list was kind of for
sidewalks I guess >> park strips. Yeah.
» Yeah. >> And then I did want to just bring up
those three trees again. I know that that was brought up last time and I was
curious what your thoughts are because I feel like if we're being wise stewards,
why would we cut down perfectly great trees to replace them
with less mature trees? So, I don't know if you have thoughts on that. Well, I'm
hoping that we can keep we obviously in the plan I have to keep um the trees on
the east side of the building, but in order to create an environment that
feels connected, having something in the middle of
something that is more formal, especially with the formal building that
we have, this this building itself is a formal building. Um, having that formal
design is a lot more appealing to the eye than having a tree that's just
shooting up in the middle of a design if that makes sense.
» No, that makes sense. I just feel I just it's sad to me that we would cut down
those >> How old are those trees, Shane? Do you
know? >> Approximately 30 years.
» Um, that was just one of my concerns um there. And then you mentioned that it
would be $169,000 per year to take care of the garden. Did
I understand that correctly? >> No. Okay.
» No. So [laughter] I was like, "Wow, that's a lot. I can
come and weed it for free." >> So that represents the total of gift
opportunities at at the present time. Okay.
» That we have yet to really kind of finalize and put together and present to
you next month. >> Okay. Okay, that makes sense. Um, and
you mentioned the safety protecting the glass. I know that other people have had
a concern about the sculptures. I don't know if you have any thoughts on that.
» They'll withstand hurricanes also. Um, no. And in, you know, lots of experience
with the um the Adonis bronze, anchoring those in incredible ways. Um, all of
that will be part of the gift that comes from the private sector. So, it's the
it's the sculptures, it's the pedestal, it's the installation, everything that
kind of goes with it. They go they go deep enough into the ground past that
frost point and everything. So, they're they're they're solid.
» Have you have you seen those? >> Yes, I have. I just some other people
had had concerns, so I thought I would just
» So, we have we have sculptures already at at the Alpine Art Center. Have you
ever had any issues with vandalism there? And I know they're all throughout
Utah. >> People climb on.
» People can do it, but I don't think it's going to be a draw.
» Yeah. the the the the scariest part that we have that we've talked about just a
little bit with Shane was, you know, that we were afraid that we're setting
up a buffet for deer. >> Um, and so
» dear love this block for some reason. >> So there there may be an additional
giving opportunity that is put on our list that has to do with the fence.
» So just just a heads up, but we'll bring that back to you if that's the case.
Right. And then timeline wise, I know at one point the discussion was October. We
were going to, but now, as far as I understand, we're going to wait till
maybe the spring and once we have a percentage of the money committed. Is
that correct? >> Yes. Um, and so the next slide. Um,
where is it? It's just past that. >> I did have questions about the garden.
If you >> Oh, sorry. Were we just talking about
the garden? I apologize. You can the timeline.
» Okay. Um, I I bringing up the deer. I know I have a list that I utilize for
deer resistant and I know you're familiar because you do great work here
in Utah all the time. Are is there a general trend towards using deer
resistant like boxwoods and junipers? They don't eat.
» Yeah, they will not eat those. And um the only thing I put in the garden that
the deer would eat. There are just a few roses to complement the red in the in
our in the rotunda because we need that red color. Um but that is the only thing
in there. There's the peonies they won't eat. Everything else they're not
touching. >> Perfect.
» As far as Well, they might eat it. I have to say that because I'm not a deer.
But I just It's really weird because I've actually planted a lot on your
hillside and the deer have eaten some things they don't normally eat on one
side of the hill and not on the other. So, it I can say that they I don't know
if they will or they won't, but they're not supposed to. Let's just say that.
» The the operative word is resistant because nothing is deerroof. Exactly.
Right. >> Not even offense. Okay. Um, the other
thing was that caught my eye cuz I um I went to Europe and I discovered that I'm
an English gardener, meaning I let nature take the lead, but my husband is
a French gardener, so everything is squared off and like and so if you go
back to this slide, the um maintainable edges, can you speak to me about what
does that mean to you as far as maintenance goes? Maintainable edges.
» Yes. So, we do have some hedges in here. Also, a very clean I feel like when you
have something that's done one time, it's one and done rather than having to
go back over and over and over. When you have plants that are coming up all over
a perennial, which would be more English to be honest, I know because the English
is maintenance. Let's talk about it as that in those words. It's a maintenance
thing. You have a lot more maintenance that goes into an English garden than
you do a French garden just because of how many plants they usually use that
are diverse, >> right? So maintainable edges, is that
including like even um the turf edges or are you talking about specifically like
the hedges? Like what what does that mean to you? Like edges, maintainable
hedges. >> So um for instance, I really try to to
um plant the garden beds so that there are a lot of the same things planted in
the same area. >> Okay.
» So let's say hydrangeas, the d the droughtresistant hydrangeas. um planting
masses of them in one area so they can be cut back at one time. They can be
hedged back. That's a maintainable edge to me in that way.
» Okay. >> Does that make sense?
» Yes. Yes. I just want to make sure that I was connecting the dots because
trimming is a big discussion item in our home. So,
» just want to make sure it's easy because those that love straight lines, it needs
to be easy. And I planted all the wrong things for the French gardener. I really
did. So, I've learned now. But just especially also around the rotunda area
making sure that it's complimementaryary when you're walking all the way around
it you're seeing similar things yet okay there's different sculptures so there's
different thing different ways to have those same items
» display okay that is good to know because um there is concern that our our
staff what is their what is their commitment to maintain the garden and so
that's I told them that we've we've talked about this from the very
beginning so want to make sure we brought that up in the public meeting
and So we can get the word out to the staff that they're not going to like
just be trimming and weeding and like live live in our little sculpture garden
because we've made it easy to care for. >> Yeah.
» You know, I I know that there is in the works um a historic committee that is
being formed. I I don't know the exact name of the committee. Um but
[clears throat] uh uh wasn't it just >> wasn't just Arts and his mother
» are actually serving on that and they're looking forward to
» Yes. >> tending to property like this,
» right? >> So there's a volunteer force that wants
to get involved with this as well. >> Yeah, it's super exciting. Um um I I
recently watched a program which I'll I'll share in a different setting but
where we saw the finished product of Emily's work and so I think it will give
you guys a really good idea of what she's talking about the the consistency
of the same plants and those type of things to get a really consistent feel
and that it's easier to maintain because like I guess you're saying you go out
there once and everything's done once instead of those this idea of blooming
all year long. you've got all this stuff to take care of all year long whereas
there just one fell swoop you can get things cleaned up or whatever.
» Well, and that's tricky because you also need to have something that is peing
interest through the seasons, right? So, it is tricky but by having a repetition
for hope that the way I put everything in it should that should be able to be
maintainable. Okay. >> It doesn't mean it's maintenanceree but
it's maintainable. >> Right. Right. As as good as as close as
we can get to. Thank you. That was very helpful. And again, it's really
exciting. Um, very exciting. >> Just along those lines, it'll be awesome
to have some help with like a maintenance plan because we don't really
have a gardener on staff. We don't have a forester. You know, I'm sure in my
mind anyway, trimming stuff off at the right point in time and and in the right
place and not overdoing it is very important to have it look beautiful. I I
think the Thanksgiving point I think >> yeah our our guys probably couldn't make
it look that nice. [laughter] >> So some
» it's more complicated than it looks as I've learned.
» Yeah, they they do an awesome job. So we'll need help.
» So if we could have a maintenance plan. I wrote that out.
» Perfect. Thank you so much. You're welcome.
» I think Andrew did you have >> Go ahead. Bob Well, just the the two
final Well, the three final slides, right? So, so this right here is a big
significant um help I think. Um and I appreciate Shane um staying with me,
continuing to kind of bring this topic up about how much money needs to be
raised before it triggers the excavation or some other site prep, right? Um, and
so, uh, we [clears throat] actually came to an understanding that look, um, let's
just say we're not going to touch this property.
We'll be doing a lot of things off the property, but we won't we won't do
anything until the new year. Um, and so what we're going to end up having is 90%
of the money in January. Um, we're already at 56% or not booked, but
Right. Um and so I think what this does is it um allows kind of the city to take
a take a breath. Um it ensures that there won't be egg on anyone's face that
the project has the funding to go forward. And so I I just wanted to share
with you that that we've made an adjustment just this week um that these
two conditions need to be met. Um weather ready
um at or above 90% that's raised. Um and it'll be in the new year as soon as as
soon as the weather permits. It means we're going to scramble. Um but um if
that is the best way to do it, then we'll do that.
» And and Lon was in here with Bob yesterday and he gave what I thought was
some great advice in that area. And I think that's
» that's helpful >> help,
» you know, >> for sure
» these guys come to that decision. So, it wasn't my decision. It's about what to
say. >> Oh, for sure.
» Okay, sir. Did you have more questions? >> No, that actually answered my question.
» Thanks for doing it. Just gratitude. Thanks, Lawn, for helping. I hope your
surgery went well. Um, and uh, no, I just I'm We're really grateful. This is
Some people don't understand or they don't know that these types of things
cement for generations uh, our heritage, our identity. um it's
done through art that endures a really long time. So, thank you. Look forward
to supporting it. Oh, and if uh the tree is an issue,
uh I bet you could get around that in two ways. Utilizing the wood or I think
that's a fine. Do you Are you okay with that idea?
» I mean, that's a great idea. >> I mean, of things.
» It is an asht tree, though. I looked at it. It doesn't have the greatest quality
wood. It grows fast and >> you can build like benches or something.
» So, we'll we'll take that offline. Sorry to digress. Sorry.
» Thank you for all your >> If you want me to say ash trees right
now, they're not even allowing us to plant them. I not coming out of right
now they're they're struggling and um because in in Colorado right now they're
» [clears throat] >> um they are dying and they're dying in
large population. So, FYI there it's a harder tree.
This has been a motion. Any other >> question? Tough topics. [laughter]
» No further questions. I'll entertain a motion.
» I move to approve the sculpture garden planting, irrigation, and lighting plan.
» Is there a second? >> I'll second it.
» Okay. Move by Councilman Rumler, seconded by Councilman Young. If there's
no further discussions, we'll proceed with the roll call vote.
» Drew Young, yes. Brent Rumler, yes. >> Sir Blackwell, yes.
» Chrissy Henman, yes. >> Okay, motion passes. Let's move on to
the Moy Park landscaping plan. [applause]
» Okay. Um it's on a different landscape project.
Uh so we've been working on improvements at Moy Park uh for a while now. We uh
last fall we completed the new curbon gutter and the parking areas and all the
asphalt and kind of got all the lines set up to accept landscape.
Um so uh the mayor worked with a volunteer to actually put a planning
plan together that we wanted to bring um for consideration for approval from the
council. Um there's a little bit of a timing thing.
We're trying to include this as a project for the day of service, which is
September 12th this year. Um there's a few times we had volunteers help. Uh
first major one I remember was Creekide Park. We had a lot of residents come and
help plant trees. Um we purchased them inhouse to save money and then had
volunteers help plant them. They enjoyed that. And then we did a a project on the
day of service a few years ago with roundabout uh the roundabout landscaping
and several of them commented they really appreciated the fact that every
time they go through the roundabout they can look at a plan and say I was
involved with planning that plant. Um so u we brought this before you today. Um
some of the stuff on that plan is a little bit hard to read. You really have
to zoom in. It's it's kind of tough. I'm sure as a volunteer she didn't have
access to everything that maybe a someone else might have, but um if you
kind of read it close, you can tell what's going on there.
» So, I spoke with her. This is someone who is a master gardener and is getting
um her degree in landscape architect design and this is part of one of her
projects and um work with her adviserss on it. The goal was to have um I think
it's the same as before is that to have something blooming throughout this
season. Um and you know my main directive was we want something that
looks nice, lowmaintenance and drought resistant. Um and so with that
directive, this is what they came up with.
» Yeah. And then um just kind of along with that uh there's a a few other
things um for consideration in the park. Um
first [clears throat] of all, we planned some fencing. There's that solid fencing
on the west side as you come into the park. Um continuing that north and then
over on the other side of the the entrance as well. Um, there are a couple
of gates that
go into the backyards of private property. The one doesn't look like it's
been used for a long long time. Um, the other one I I know that they do use it
and so it might be something that we'll have to deal with, you know, in moving
this fence portion of the project forward.
Uh Shane, it's it's not the property owners. It's the Moy Park fence that has
a opening. >> I don't know. I'm assuming the city put
the fence the the fence has been in as long as I've been around.
» Um I don't know. >> Maybe we just ask them before.
» Yeah. I don't know who I don't know if the city put it in. I don't know if
» it looks like the both uh both sides of the road have the same fence. So I would
assume it was a city project. >> I know your mother-in-law would know. I
wish she was still here to tell us. >> Yeah,
» maybe someone you she knows or someone else could tell us,
» right? So, let's see that. There's that. Um uh
I was at a meeting at Oram City recently and they have their new city hall and
it's very modern. It's different than this, but I saw something there that I
thought could work really well here. Um it's
they've taken um like metal put metal borders in and then they have this
gravel that's compacted so hard it's almost like concrete but not quite but
it's very like you're not rubbing it off your feet every time you walk through
it. I thought it was pretty neat the way they put it in there in this very formal
setting. Um so I took Lannon over there. We looked at it and we think something
like this may be passed going up the cabins. Um, which was part of the plan
that I also included in the packet. Maybe not in that exact configuration,
but something like that I think could could be good. And I think it would help
keep the weeds down in some of that area, too.
» Can you point to that area with your mouse? I don't know exactly what you're
speaking. Yeah. The little trails kind of up on the north end but below the
caretaker house over by the little cabins.
» Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. >> Kind of over in there. Yeah.
» Yeah. >> Yeah.
Um so there's that. Uh the plan also called for some split rail fence. This
would be just like the stuff at the poppies. Um but it makes sense to get
some of this other stuff in before that goes in so it's not in the way.
Um, let's see. A resident donated a couple
of uh pieces of antique farm equipment. Um,
it's not been moved up there yet, but um the thought was to maybe put it in kind
of that circle area. If you want to look at it, it's over on
Red Pine Drive. You probably walk by it all the time.
» There's also some on the um Alpine Oh, come on. art center property. That's
there's Oh, yeah. There's out along their back. Not that you're looking for
donations, but >> but there's some out there.
» There is more. It's coming out of the weeds. Oh,
» really? >> Literally.
» Yeah. Okay. Uh we still need to stripe the parking lot. Uh there's two entrance
signs. It feels like one of those could come out and still say the same thing if
somebody wanted to give their opinion on which one should stay.
» Kaden, can you go up to >> I hope you won't be offended, but have
you done a swept analysis on your parking lot?
» I'm sure it's 100%. >> Come on, Jason. Where's the laugh? There
he's laughing. >> Angle parking. There's a good turnaround
up there. Um I'm sure it's it's great. Uh let's see.
And then um we had a suggestion there's a large tree
that's just directly south of the cabins that maybe that could get taken out and
give more visibility to those cabins and just a couple things like that. So
there's some things on the table. The one we're really kind of focused on
right now is trying to get the planning plan um approved so that we can um you
know have that as part of that day of service.
» Does anybody have questions? Oh my gosh, we might be done.
» So why [snorts] why can you just remind us why this this improvement was
a priority when we're doing the park master plan and put up other park
projects? Um it's been something that's been on
the table for quite a while actually. >> We also have a donation specifically for
this park and so with um the 911 >> day of service coming. Um but yeah, this
is the plan's been in the works for a long time.
» Yeah, I know we talked about it the last city council. It's been a long time. No,
I mean I think this um this plan itself we've been working on since last summer
asking her to work on it. >> So I mean the prior city council.
» Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. and then um just was waiting for her to get the right class
to be able to implement it all and to have the um help of her adviserss
um with what we had suggested and what we needed mainly that it be low
maintenance that we wanted it to be you know to look good and you know and so
she um felt more comfortable doing it with her adviserss and so we had to wait
till she had that class and so then um along with everything else really the
and because of the money coming through and with 911 day of service, we're
actually going to have people and I'm with Shane. I've had several people go,
you know, my kids help plant those and it's so cool that they're thriving now,
you know, and so we figured this would be a similar opportunity that, you know,
they can drive by and say, "Hey, you know, I help with this." So, it's just a
great way to get the community involved. >> Have you considered involving the Moyal
family? because I know they're very >> I talked to um why can't I think of her
name >> I talked to Wanita and um obviously you
know I'm going to talk to Kathleen I see Suzanne here so yes you can come and
make a comment in just a second um but no I talked to Wanita because she's the
one that usually has um since Kathleen's passing and even before um one you know
she's the one that I've been in contact with the most about Mo Park she'll like
call me about specific things or if somebody's trying to I guess with one of
the gates people were moving things and there were some issues and so she called
um and she's a direct descendant. I told her about this plan and she she was like
yeah that looks great. So >> no I meant family to come and want
because they'll want to help. This is their great great grandfather's farm.
Oh, you have okay that's what I meant. Not just did she like the plant but do
they want to help with the planting? >> Yes. No, but yes, they will. And we've
been talking with a couple other staff directly involved with the Moy Park.
With Moy Park, it's very um >> Yeah.
» Okay. >> Anyways, Suzanne, did you have a comment
that you wanted to make? Suzanne um is a direct descendant of John Romoy.
She's Kathleen's sister. >> No, she's my sister.
» Okay. Kathleen is her sister. I was up to the park today
and um Troy was up there digging, doing irrigation connections,
telling me about the planting that you want to do. And I'm going, a bigger
concern for Moyal Park is not all this roof stuff. It's putting a security
system on that building. One of these days, some of your cute little teenagers
who blow up the toilets in Alpine City are going to access that house and
it could be destructive. So, my my feeling is put all the split
rail fences you want in, put all the plants you want in, they're going to die
anyway. um unless you put sage brush in and
that's more conducive to the time period. But my feeling is,
you know, my sister has contributed a large sum of money to that park. Let's
secure the building. Family and friends have contributed
valuable artifacts in that house. And last summer we were up there, there
were no caretakers weren't there. You could walk right in the house because
the door was open. So, good luck. >> Thank you.
» Thank you. >> Good point.
» It's a good point. >> Um I I do have a few questions and
comments. Um I have been there once before when the house was unlocked. We
live really close to theirs, so my kids and I, we enjoyed that park a lot. Um, I
did look up all these plants as well and all of them are drought resistant. So,
I'm hoping that they won't need a ton of water and that they won't die. But I I
was I think it would have been really great if they had all been native to
Utah. Um, and none of them are, but that's that's all right. I'm really
grateful that someone is willing to volunteer their time to put together
this plan and to come and help plant these and beautify that park. So, I I
appreciate that. So just so I understand correctly all of the landscape plan are
the plants being donated like or just through the donation that's what that's
what's funding this I just want to understand the funding side it was all
» all the improvements today haven't so the donation came after the improvements
that have been done today so we haven't spent any of the donation money
» so far so it's all available >> the planting will be part of it and then
I'm sure there'll be I And there's a lot, you know,
can you go page above? It talked about all the things that the improvements
that we wanted to do. So, we would just need to um
add, you know, security on the main house.
» Yeah, it's a great idea. Um I do like the pathways that you're talking about,
Shane. My brother actually just installed those exact same ones at his
house and they're they're awesome. Um, and then I was just curious with there
are some trails kind of on the east side if you go down little ways. Are those
going to be cleared out because they used to be more
» finded and accessible? And I mean, I'm happy to help with that. I'll take my
kids over there and do it, but I didn't know if that was a part of the plan for
the day. >> It was just this area just because of
the new asphalt and all the improvements that they had made. Can you go up that
one page, >> Kayen? Can you go up?
Uh so because of all the new work that had been done with the asphalt and doing
all of that. Um we're just taking advantage of the labor that we have. But
that's definitely something that if you wanted to undertake, I'm sure Troy would
work with you. >> Okay.
» I'm thinking of that project list you started too.
» Oh yeah. With for Alpine Youth Council. >> Oh yeah. Okay. I'll put it I'll make
note of that. Okay. Those are >> even youth groups. You know, we could do
it on just serve and put it up there and say, "Hey, if you guys need a service
project, why don't you come and help clear out the space and just do it until
it gets done?" >> Yeah, that'd be great. Okay,
» time. >> Thank you.
» Okay, any other questions? >> Um, I I have a question regarding two
things. Um, I'll refer back to the comment about security. I also had that
experience. Um, we had an appointment, but due to a miscommunication, um, we
gave ourselves a self- tour. So I I understand your concern. That was um I
think we can con agree with that. The second thing though was um we've had
other and Andrew's brought them to our attention but other the historic
committee that we've talked about. We have these monuments um that have been
established like remember that when you talked about the cemetery. I was
thinking, wouldn't it be good to like have like a more localized place for
these monuments like rather than in the middle of that cemetery like
or is this specifically geared only Moy and anything related to him?
» This is pretty much >> You need your microphone on
» that. >> You need your microphone. Sorry. So, um,
yes, my understanding is Mo Park is about the family and John Ro, but those
homes that have been put on there, though, those weren't his. Those have
come from other parts of Alpine. So, >> you know what I'm talking about. You You
had a monument in the middle of the new part that is sort of lopsided and
falling apart. And it's like we could have a more like
» the one that said you name. >> Oh yeah.
» That's what she's talking about. >> Tell me what you're referring to.
» Like should we relocate it here where we have more other historic things that
relate back to Alpine. >> Oh, I see. You're talking about the
woman's monument in the cemetery. Bringing it here.
» That was just the first thing that came to mind is that when you go here, you're
learning all about Alpine history. And when you go to the cemetery, you're not
you're you're visiting your loved ones kind of. It's really not Alpine history
though. When you go there in the home, you're learning about John Ra Moy and
his journey of helping with the temple and you know his journey being here, but
it's not really about the history of Alpine. It's more about
» General Moy and his family. >> But to your point, there's those those
other cabins that have been moved on >> and um you know, the Salt Lake Temple is
not necessarily an alpine. So we could and he was a pioneer.
» Yeah. No, I didn't say it was about Alpine. I said it's more about John
Romo. It's more of a tribute to him and the family.
» Yes, for sure. The house is, but there's other things and like the farm
equipment, too. I I'm just saying like, should we try to make this a place with
lots of history? The prominent most important thing is about this particular
resident of Alpine, but like to have it scattered throughout our city just
seemed a little disorganized. for being an accountant, we like to think
categorize things. So, historic things could go here.
» I think it's a good idea. I think it's something that we can um talk to the
family about and see. >> Yeah. Get their feedback for sure. Okay.
» Okay. Sounds good. >> Oh, also, you had talked to us about an
angled parking, but we ended up with straight.
» No, it's angled. It's just not been painted.
» You really do want this one. >> No, no, no. I really did see her. I I
saw the drawing and it had straight. I'm like, what happened? You asked us about
the angle. I did remember that one. is an old one.
» That's the the the master plan is kind of handdrawn.
» Where is that? I'm not imagining. >> No, it's Go one more down.
» It's that one. Yeah. Go down. >> So, this one did show 90° parking
» and and parallel right there. >> Yeah. And we do have some parallel
parking there. It's just not striped yet. But the angle parking fit better.
» Right. I do I remember that whole discussion. So, we we are doing that.
This is inaccurate. >> Correct. Do we need to like note that
that it's inaccurate? >> What we're approving is the
» this was done >> years ago.
» Oh, it's already been approved. >> And if you go back up to the other page,
» we're just talking about the native the anything alive.
» We've been working off of this plan >> as just kind of a concept and
implementing different things up there. >> Okay, then I'll stop worrying about that
stuff then. Thank you. >> So, it's really just about the
landscaping today. So, if there's no further questions regarding
» Oh, since you said landscaping in when I was doing all my um research on the
water conservation, they say six inches of mulch. So, please let's have six to
eight inches because it deteriorates over time.
» Okay. Andrew, did you have a question? >> I just We do a motion right now, right
on this is >> Yes. But do you have a question right
now? >> I was going to just offer Are you all
okay? We >> If you would Yes, I will entertain a
motion. Go ahead. >> Okay. I was going to do some discussion
first. I I hope this is input from our six city councelor. Okay, I'll do the
motion. Here we go. I move to approve the Moy Pike Moy Park landscape planting
plan with the following conditions and changes to prioritize security first as
the first priority.
Is there a second? Okay, the motion dies. Is there a
substitute? Is there another motion? >> Andrew, I think
» I think the security is very important. I just want to say I think the security
is very important and I think it's something that we will do. I I know
we'll do, but this is time is of the essence and that we need this approved
so we can source these plants and have it ready by the 12th. So to say that the
priority is security, >> I can rephrase it. I can rephrase it.
You want me to rephrase it and just include it as one of the uh
» Yes. >> Okay. Sorry. Will you kind of take me
off guard? Just >> But it's landscaping though. This is
only about landscaping. We don't have anything.
» Can we add it? This is what I was going to discuss. Are you all okay if we add
it? >> We don't have anything on the agenda. So
if you we could bring it back and add it, but like you we have all these other
things on it that they want to do, but this is only for the landscaping plan.
» Right. Right. And I think this is good. >> And the security on the building is
nothing to do with it. It's not noticed, >> right?
» So, you can't make a motion on something that's not noticed.
» Sure. Sure. All I just >> Let's just Let's just ask our staff now
to look into potential security options, which I think they're already,
» right? And uh well, I was going to discuss first. You just wanted to get it
done, so I went straight to the motion. I realized it wasn't well thought out,
but either way, um the security is not that expensive. We just It's
» No, it's not. >> It's really easy now. It's not a thing
of it's not going to get done, but right now what we have noticed is the
landscaping plan. I'm pretty sure Shane's going to be working on that
security thing as soon as possible. But like I said with this, the reason it's
here is we need it approved so we can source the plants and plan it according
to the plan. >> Right. Right. I wasn't taking away any
of that. Wasn't >> Okay.
» I think we only have the first one. Go. >> Right. Right. Are are you all okay?
Because this is what was going to be the discussion. Are we okay if we put it in
as because I I really uh respect what she said and I think
» I think we all do. We're all in agreement.
» So, how can how can we include it in some way that
» we I will work with Shane. That's a directive that we'll have.
» But this is only about landscaping security of the building has nothing to
do with the landscaping and that's what's noticed to the public that we're
going to be making a decision on today. >> I understand.
» But I think the security be, you know, as you said, as long as it's below a
certain amount, we can move forward with it.
» Okay. It doesn't have to come to council to be
approved. I wonder what's the limit. Seven grand, five grand, 15 grand, 15.
» 15. >> There are lots of great security systems
out there. >> Yeah.
» Well, okay. Since you guys have the motion,
» I'm not worried about it. >> I'm not against any of this. I love the
Moyal family. I love the park. I think anything we can do to beautify it, to
get our kids to never forget it, constantly go up.
» Did you have a motion? >> I'll move to approve the Moy Park
landscape planting plan. >> Okay. Is there a second?
» I'll second that. >> It's been moved by Councilman Remler,
seconded by Councilwoman Blackwell. Any further discussion on the motion?
» If not, we'll proceed with the roll. >> Just follow up on the security one.
Andrew Young, yes. >> Brent Roma, yes.
» Sarah Blackwell, yes. >> Chrissy Edamman, yes.
» Okay, motion passes. >> I'd like to make a motion.
I move that we go into close session to discuss land acquisition.
» Is there a second? >> Mayor, were we going to talk about item
D from the work session before we did that?
» Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm sorry. Yes, we will do that. Um Shane, if you want
to talk about the PI system. >> Yeah, so
we've been uh we've discussed a few times the different projects uh that are
proposed uh that we bond for. Um so there's been a couple of developments
that have came along. Um they would require likely some cost from the city.
one for sure, the other one with the development agreement, we might be able
to do something different, but but there will be um a cost to those projects. So,
the first one is the uh the page property has been moving forward and
they're working um very close to approval, I believe. Um the master plan
showed the 24 inch line going from Ridge Drive to Red Pine Drive to Main Street
along Maine to First South and then back up by cutting through this project. Um
we'd save a ton of money. We wouldn't be digging up asphalt. We wouldn't be going
through utility conflicts. Um all those kinds of things. So the
cheapest way to put that section of the pipe is pre-development. Um so it's a
timing thing and so we believe that that should be considered um as part of our
kind of our group of projects for bonding. Uh the other one is is if this
uh property below the Healey well moves forward u we should be looking at it the
same way. Um, so if we acquire that easement, we put that in. Again, it's
not in the asphalt, it'll be the cheapest way we could ever do it. So,
» Jane, I wanted to get Oh, I'll wait my turn. Go ahead.
» Uh, thanks for the foresight. I I completely agree. Thank you.
» Yes, I agree. I um if I understand correctly based off our conversation
earlier and what you just said is we can we're going to work on these in tandem
with also still pursuing some of >> that's what we're suggesting should have
» perfect. Thank you. >> U remind me of the six items listed
here. Um the two that you're talking about are the page development for
$735,000 and the Healey Well to Healey Boulevard.
That one. >> Okay. The first two are the items that
we've talked about that were roughly 9, >> right?
» Healey well to Healey Boulevard. So that's from the wellhouse
um in this easement we discussed in the work session.
» Okay. So that's the 420 >> Healey Boulevard.
» Okay. Uh the next one would be from that point down to Canyon Crest, right Jason?
And then um the page development one that would be from First South basically
to Dry Creek or what's the
» Oh, sorry. The page development is just through their property there south to
Red Pine. >> Yes.
» And then the 24 inch or sorry, yeah, the extension
That would be Ridge Drive to the P. >> Yes.
» So the to sorry I didn't do this first, but the total of the last four is the
$3.5 million difference. Is that right? The last four that you just talked
about. >> Uh about that.
» Okay. Thank you. So, so the last one on this list would be the one that's not
absolutely necessary with these development projects, but it would
connect between two parts of the the overall
project, I guess. Um, I would suggest, you know, moving forward, I'm I'm sure
uh with moving forward and finalizing our parks master plan, there will be
some attention to Peterson Park. Um, again, the cheapest way to put that
section of pipe in would be to I would suggest skirting the outside of the
park, no utilities to deal with, just so much less expensive, and then pop back
into Red Pine Drive and and connect up to the the line going through the Page
property. >> So, are any of these projects shovel
ready? Uh we have uh plans what would you say 80 or 90% for
» about that 80 to 90% >> Haley Boulevard from Canyon Crest to the
Healey Well. >> Is that the only one that shovel ready?
» That's the only one. The others I mean they shouldn't take a ton of
time, >> right? And the page development they'll
be >> Yeah,
» they'll be ready as soon as that's ready. So
» So if we can get maybe the Healey well to Healey Boulevard and then maybe even
the page development if we can get but they're wanting to move on that quickly,
right? The 24 in extension. Is there any way we can get that shovel ready and try
to get it in for You know what I'm talking about, right?
» Yeah. >> If we can get it in for that grant, that
would be fantastic. >> Yeah. And that's the other component.
There's we found some potential funding that even if they only pay for the pipe,
it has this funding has to be used by the end of the year.
Um, but if we can work this in and even if they just pay for the pipe, it would
be something. So, um, we'll work that, continue to work that angle, too.
» Can you remind me how these bonds work? Do we get the like a lump sum
so that being shovel ready is critical so that the money isn't sitting there
charging us interest that we haven't utilized or how does that all work?
» The shovel ready is more related to the grants, but I mean, it kind of relates
» this >> to
Yeah, this isn't just the construction costs. It's also the engineering that's
involved. And so that's what helps it get it shovel ready.
» I didn't know which pro if any of these were shovel ready other than the Healey
Well to Healey Boulevard connection. >> Yes. So, so the project we did last
fall, we had Horox do the surveying from Canyon Crest up to the the driveway to
the Healey Well. We had them include that in the survey with everything else
in Canyon Crest. And our thought was the plan was to do it this spring, not in
the fall. And we thought, we have this grant money. If this project comes in
way cheaper than we anticipate, we'll have this other section ready and we can
maybe get it into. And then we kind of switched gears and did it in the fall,
but the cost fell kind of in line with the grant we had, so we just we just
stopped there. >> I see.
» But we still have those plans available. >> Okay. Okay, that work's been mostly
done. >> So, can you scroll up one more time? Go
backwards. So, are we saying that um we're increasing the bond by this much
or just we're going to use a mixture of grant bonding and fund balance or
something to pay for the full >> I would say. Yes, I I would say
potentially plan on more in the bond, >> but I think on this particular grant, we
will know >> like soon.
» Okay. >> If we can get something which will help.
So it's it's not set in stone one in one way because because as we know grants
are dependent on other >> grants. Sometimes these developments
come along and you know they get started and then they stall out for a couple
years or whatever. And so it was kind of in limbo but it it really looks like
they're ready to move forward. So that's why we're bringing this now.
» And and just to confirm these additional projects are not taking away from the
ones that Horox Okay. We're not suggesting that.
» Yeah. I just want Okay, that's >> is the whole what was it? The buildout
that it's part of phase two that we have been continually working on in phases.
And the reason that they're doing this is take advantage of. It's just
situational, right? They're developing. It's they're going to have raw land.
It'll be super easy to pipe it through as opposed to going all the way back
down through the roundabout down Main Street and go back up again just to end
up in the same place when we can go straight through.
» And so it will save us a lot of money in the long run.
» Yeah, that's if you do it as a crowsly, it's very direct and we needed to move
quickly on it so we're not delaying their project. They're being very nice
to let us do this. >> Yeah, they've been great to work with on
it. >> Good.
» So, >> okay. Okay.
» Okay, I'll go. I haven't gone yet. >> Did you go?
» Um, oh, I just wanted to ask one other question. What's the status of a
potential rate study? Or maybe that should come later. Maybe that's another
discussion. >> I can answer that. So, uh,
on on PI, we need to know what our projects are
that are on the horizon. So, we have that number to plug in to the
spreadsheet that they've created. Um, so we're we're getting there on the
culinary and the sewer. Um, I actually have a meeting with them tomorrow. Um,
so those are those are moving forward. So we'll have those to council
this fall. >> Great.
» So, >> thank you.
» I'll know more after tomorrow, but it should be this fall.
» Thank you. >> Yeah.
» Sarah, you're talking about the number like the the difference in price on the
» Yes. what the >> the actual cost per resident.
» Yes. >> Okay. All right.
» Okay. There's no further questions. >> No, I haven't gone yet.
» I haven't. >> Okay.
» Yeah. I was just waiting. Uh so, um Shane, there's one thing I wanted to
bring up is the uh uh and you guys have been really helpful in giving a lot of
information about the whole system and Horox has been helpful as well. Um the
the the neighborhood that keeps coming after me for a fix is the north side of
the low zone and I bring it up, you know, by Alpine Elementary where they
just have no pressure. >> I know there's a couple others as well.
And so, uh the fix, I had to go back and research
what it was. The fix is a pressurized valve, PRV,
» pressure reducing valve. >> Pressure reducing valve. And those run
around 300K. >> Yeah, it depends on the situation,
a lot of factors, but >> half of what I'm saying is a question
and half of what I'm saying is I'm trying to find a fix. So anyways, I
haven't really seen that as part of any of this. And so I'm hoping that that can
be considered. I know I know it's on the list. I I just mean it's never been on
any of the uh I know it's on the list of potentials. It's just never been on the
list of actual potential projects to be carried out.
» Well, We've been talking about bonding projects, but in that same discussion,
we talked about about being able to fund through fund balance and like that a
project like that. So, >> bringing those to fund
» that's why it's not on this. >> Yes. Right. So, so since we're talking
about this, um would that be something we could bring forward to do even before
this stuff that takes years to implement? And because the the the
pipeline you're talking about, this potentially will take five or six more
years to get it actually functional, right? Getting it all the way up there.
And >> the pipeline but the Yeah. But the other
bonded projects though, we're hoping to get it started right away. I mean, we
want to get started on the wall this winter,
» right? So, in the meantime, is this something we could is does the does the
council have the stomach to to do the smaller one that would
» bring up at a later time? But right now, this is just something for you to
consider if you want them to add something to the potential
» bring up the bond price. That's, you know, that's subject that you can bring
up. >> Right. I'm bringing it up now because
it's never in there. So, that's why I'm bringing it up.
» This isn't anything like we're not voting on this. This is justformational.
You know that, right? >> That's why I'm going Yeah. No, I know.
» So, you can't take a vote. >> I'm not asking for a vote. I'm just
asking I'm trying to be a team player. >> Oh, I know. But you can also use the
phone. >> Well, I'm
» Are you asking if we should add this to the list because you'd want to bond for
it or you would prefer that we fund it some other way?
» Well, it sounds like this is small. So, it sounds like it doesn't even need to
be bonded. It's something small we can work towards. It's just a community
that's been there forever and it's just it seems like a fix we could actively
work towards. >> Do I understand correctly? you're asking
if we can prioritize that because the cost isn't that great and we can get
going on it sooner and >> the original the original idea was just
to one of the priorities not above other things but but this is one of the
priorities and >> I I uh had been looking into it and just
wanted to follow up on it since we were talking about pressurized irrigation.
Yeah, you have to be careful with PRVs because they can cause other problems
because the way they're designed, if the pressure is too low, their their
settings, the high pressure on the upstream side, low pressure on the
downstream side, when the downstream pressure reaches gets to a certain
point, that valve opens and feeds water to it.
» Right. Right. >> So that takes pressure from other areas.
» Right. Okay. And so if you don't have the availability of water there, it can
cause other problems. >> If there's a better solution, I'm I'm
all ears for a better solution. But anyways, that's just one of the things
to think about. The I asked them for any solutions. They had say that that was
the band-aid. That's the fix. And then the other one is obviously the pipeline,
which will help as that goes further along. That will help every zone.
» All all the projects in the master plan will help,
» right? Right. >> Some way throughout the city.
» Okay. Well, I just I need something to go back and tell them that I'm working
on it because every time they show me their sprinklers and they say this thing
won't go up and I'm trying to help them. So, that was
» um anyways, I uh I think that's all and thanks for doing this. I have been
reaching just just I would encourage you guys to reach out to residents on this
bonding. I've been reaching out to them because this is something that will
affect everyone. the rate will help that Sarah asked because I can't give them an
exact number of how much their water bill will increase. So that's what
that'll be really helpful to give them those numbers. Um I have been getting
quite a a negative response from residents on more costs. They're they're
giving me a lot of we just went through the hardest year and we were fine. um
they're they're giving they're not they're not I think water is painful
right now but I think right now people are even feeling more of a pain uh of
budget and finance and just one more thing on top so anyways just exploring
any other route for any of these solutions that doesn't do that for
example I've had several developers reach out asking to contribute to one of
these want something in return but that's a potential I've tried to call
them they they're hard to get a hold But anyways, I'll I'll keep looking. I
know you have friends as well, but there's any other route to get to these,
I think it would help. That's all I got to say. Thank you.
» Okay. Um, I'd like to make a motion. I move that we go into close session to
discuss land acquisition. >> Is there a second?
» I will second. >> I move that we go into council. Was that
council chambers? >> Could I give you some suggestions?
» Yes, please. [laughter] >> Okay. to discuss the purchase sale lease
or exchange of real property >> strategy session to discuss the purchase
sale lease or exchange of real property >> and Mr. say where that's going to be
held >> you can say I was just you can say so
moved to be held in the conference room at city hall
» and Sarah and Mr. Mr. Doc, if there's something else we want to discuss
because there's a couple items going on right now.
» Screen Sarah, too. >> Do we have to add Do we have to add that
to the motion in order to discuss other items that are supposed to be talked
about? >> If we're going to discuss other items
that are not >> Are you involved in the talking to a
couple items that you all know about that are in
» That's something that probably should have been brought up before. There's no
litigation right now, is there? >> I sorry, I meant
the chance. It's anything that has been brought up
recently that you'd like to talk about in closed meeting?
» I don't know. Do Can I >> Can I just amend it? You can make it and
I'll ask. >> Okay. List all four. I move to pause the
regular meeting and move into a closed meeting to be held in the conference
room at city hall to discuss um I you want me to list all of them.
The purchase, exchange, sale, or lease of real property. Um is there anything
else you wanted to >> If you could just say the other ones.
» Okay. pending or reasonable imminent litigation the character professional
competence or physical and or mental health of an individual
» that's not needed I I apologize [laughter]
» the deployment of security personnel devices or systems
» actually yes that is one that is one >> okay and at the end of the closed
meeting the open open city council meeting will be adjourned
» uh we have staff reports >> okay can you take that part off or do I
need to restate it again >> no I think you're okay
» we'll just come back. I'll fix it. >> Okay. Thank you, Deian.
» Okay. There's a motion. Is there a second?
» I'll second it. >> It's been moved by Councilwoman
Blackwell and seconded by Councilman Young that we go into close session for
the reasons stated. >> There's three votes.
» There's two. >> We got to say I though.
» Oh, all >> call.
» Roll call. >> I Brett Ramler. Yes.
» Sarah Blackwell. Yes. >> Chissy Hanaman. Yes.
» Andrew. Close session.
Glad you did.
» Thanks. >> I'm not here. I'm in Salt Lake.
» Can I contact you? >> Um, you can. I represent the city.
» Yeah. >> So,
» go through Shane. >> Why don't you call Shane? Yeah.
» Shane.
» R. Steve.
» Sorry. I thought you were talking to me. >> Like, you put up the signs. The signs
are up. trying to enforce the parking already. So I don't feel like we're
spending hours talking about hedges, >> you know, but like
» Well, I know, but you guys never talked about that parking. You tabled it and
it's never been adopted. The engineering court was never adopted.
» These plans were never approved by the board by the city,
» right? So our school social rights are being violated every day that you prove
us from the park. >> First of all, it's not the city not the
city council's responsibility. They presented information that
there's nothing to improve or deny when a study is presented to us.
» No, but but there is when you're doing parking and spending city funds on
crosswalks. >> No, actually there isn't. That was a
currency to the council. >> What about the municipal code that says
that they have The signs are put up under the direction of the governing
board. >> Oh, the parking you're talking about in
the city. In the city in the >> the parking signs out there.
» Okay. I don't know about that. >> Okay.
You're the one who brought them. >> Yeah, I probably
don't. park in the parking lot >> is red curving
» but we don't have parking lot
» to me is the exact same thing
» they want you in the park thanks for your time we'll talk
» no I know
» I need my water thirst
That's a good idea, >> but I'm happy to talk about it.
» Okay, so
it's always good. >> Okay. All right. Well, thank you, Chief.
Appreciate your presentation and and finally getting the report is amazing.
» Getting it all together.
That was just a joke. >> I think we need to edit this and take
out the brief. >> Yeah, seriously. So, did you
Yeah, we got to do that.
» I know.
» So, I still
» person
whatever. Yeah, I'll be there. >> Here.
» Okay. You mean to make a motion to extend the meeting?
» Okay. Yeah, sure. >> Go ahead.
» I'd like to make a motion to extend the meeting till
» I can't type >> 9:45.
» How about that? >> 9:35.
» Up to >> Okay. Is there a second?
» I'll second. >> Okay. It's been moved by Councilwoman
Blackwells and seconded by Councilman Rumler.
» Andrew Young. Yes. Brown rumble. Yes.
» Oh, Sarah Blackwell. Yes. Handman. Yes. In the interest of time only.
» Okay. >> Okay. Um Kaden.
» Uh the only update I have is just I think we had a successful round of
committee meetings for the finalization of the small area plan. I think everyone
participated from the council. I think almost everyone participated from the
planning commission as well as Andy Spencer. Uh, so I think it was really
well done. I think we have the updates we want. The next I think at the next
council meeting I'll have those updates ready for you to have a final approval
on them and then I will send them back to the consultant.
» Okay. >> Thanks.
» Wait, Kayen, it doesn't have to go back to the planning commission at all. And I
thought you wanted a public hearing. No. Oh, that's after the final.
» What were the last step? What are the last steps we have to do to make it
approved? >> So, it's already done the public
hearing. I think we are open to having another one. I don't know if it's
required. >> So, we did two already. I think that's
what Ryan was talking about before. Yeah,
» they did the initial public hearing, but it didn't get noticed very well. And so,
a lot of people said, "Hey, I wanted to come talk about that."
» And so, they held a second public hearing with the planning commission.
So, when you referenced that in your notes, I think that was the second one
Ryan was talking about. >> I thought Shane had advised that. Have
you have you have you not >> you can
you can have one if you choose. I think >> I meant when it's like done done before
we vote and approve it. >> I don't think it's required but you
could it seems like we might have done that with the conservation easement.
» That was much more controversial. >> And so our general feeling is it's been
out in the public enough and that would be an unnecessary step. I just want to
be clear. Yeah, that's that's my feeling. Unless someone has a other
points to the contrary. >> You're saying you want to just end it at
this and vote on it and like approve it. >> Yeah, there's no two public hearings.
» It would be an unrequired like going an extra step.
» It's not required, right? >> Not required.
» Well, if everyone feels comfortable with all the changes, I say a good vote on it
is good. Okay. >> We've all put a lot of input into it.
» Can we send you any last things or is there a Here here's one thing that I can
foresee happening. I can foresee you bringing it forward and Andrew being
like, I want to change that one little little thing and these guys getting mad.
Um, can you send it to us like a couple days before? So, if there's any last
things that were like, oh, >> that's a good idea.
» This last thing, >> could we just buffer this?
» Yeah, don't send it to us on Friday. That thing is massive. Okay. Can you
just give us like, guys, have a review any last changes?
» Give everybody a deadline. >> Yeah. Yeah. Because cuz
» so the deadline September 1st is what Chrissy originally set up
» to get our edits to you. >> Yes. And so all the next meeting
September >> was the deadline.
» Last Tuesday. >> No, it's in a week from today.
» Oh, so you want edits by But we don't even know what the final edits are
because he's doing all the changes we made.
» That's what that's what he's saying. No, no. If
» when is he going to get that version to us?
» We're talking about when he gives us the final. It's like when you read a
contract, you read it one time. >> He knows. But
» so yeah, so the next meeting is in two weeks, September 8th. If the final edits
are due September 1st, when do you want that document?
» The second week of the second meeting. >> Oh, okay.
» What do you mean the second meeting? >> Prior to
» Well, because the consultant is trying to make all our edits.
» No, no, no, no. He's making the edit. >> I thought you were saying we wanted you
wanted one more look before I give it to the consultant.
» We have to approve the edits before they go to the consultant.
» Oh, you're right. That was in there. Thank you for that. I I forgot. One more
vote after that to Thank you, Brent. That's why you're a lawyer.
» Okay. Thank you. >> Yeah. There's one vote for the edits
approved. There's one vote for the adoption. So that'll
» work. So we need to approve the edits on the 8th is what you're saying.
» And that's what we'd like to get a week ahead of time if we can.
» Yeah. >> Time to
» How soon can you get this to council? >> But don't do you still have the
spreadsheet? >> Yeah. I mean I have everything ready. I
know we're we're keeping the date open till the first, but maybe I'll just try
to send it out that same day. >> I think I think we're done. I think we
need that's our deadline too to get it back to you by the first.
» Yeah. >> Okay.
» Like if you can just email it in the next few days and we can get it back to
you by the first. >> Okay.
» Thank you, Kayen. Anything else? I can do
» Oh, and then Shane was having me bring up So, we do have our consultant, we've
had three consultant groups that are willing to do the code update for the
small area plan for us that have set sent in RFPs. So, we're going to look at
what we think of those three, which one's the best, and then we'll I think
we'll have that maybe at the next meeting as well, right?
» So, that should be able to hit the ground running when this gets adopted.
» We're also thinking that if it works out well with the relationship that we might
go with that firm and approach them about our planner part time.
» Okay. Anything else, Shane? >> Uh,
yeah. So, let's see. Just Alpine Days. Uh Heidi's not here right now, but she
did awesome. She worked herself to death.
» She really did. And >> yeah, she needed the week off
» and she'll be back to work tomorrow. But um so there'll be a report. It takes
quite a while to get everything in and um we have couple things to follow up
on. Um we'll report on that later. uh
Burgess Park Burgess Park court lighting. Um that project there were two
left. I'm not sure what the hold up was, but I haven't made it down there to see
if they were finished. But everything I hear, they love the new lights and it
was 100% grant funded. Um which is great.
» I had people reach out thanking you for that and saying how wonderful they were.
Whitey Whitey Anson reached out. So it was massive improvement. Yeah, I've
tried to call him a few times and we played phone tag, so I haven't actually
got to talk to him. >> He wants to give you a hug.
» He's traveling. >> Yeah. Um,
uh, I brought up at our Lone Peak staff meeting, uh, a month ago, I guess, about
our the check that we should be getting from fund balance, and that did come
last week. Um, let's see. LPC, I mentioned the 6,000
foot lot thing. It's kind of concerning. >> Um, they also brought up potential
legislation on flaw cameras and license plate reader type cameras. That might be
coming. Um, and then fireworks. They think that they'll
I thought it was going to go the other way because of the fireworks lobby and
maybe it will in the end, but um the thought right now is that they would
make it an easier process in the situation we had this year for a city to
put further restrictions in. >> That would be so we'll see where that
all goes. >> Uh
the I work uh Don's continuing to work on the onboarding there. Um I texted him
but I haven't heard back yet to see. It should be it was like six weeks and I
think we're there. So we're about there. Said that's going well.
Got the 912 day of service coming up. 911 day on the the 11th or on the 12th.
Yeah. >> Um there will be some good projects
there. >> Does that start at 9:00 a.m.?
» Uh I don't know on the timing right now. They'll be publishing it. They have a
website and everything. >> It's either eight or nine. I can't
remember what they said. >> And some of them like they're building a
trail bridge. Sometimes they'll start at six just getting the cool weather and
whatever. But >> so more information to come there.
» And that's all I have right now. >> So I read that the governor's office was
going to be doing an audit on the looking for potential misuse for the
flot cameras. there might be something coming from the state to because I know
that some of the concern the main concern is abuse of the of the of the
system. So it sounds like the governor's office is going to commission an audit
of that. That's all.
» Okay. >> I don't have anything.
» Okay. Chrissy, >> just a reminder, just a reminder,
tomorrow at noon, there's training on our roles for our city of a mayor vibe
council organization. Um, sponsored by the Utah League of
[clears throat] Towns at noon. That's it.
» Um, okay. Uh, some of these we went over, we I sent the signs. So, you're
all aware of that, right, Shane? You're aware of the no dog leash and I think he
knows. >> Yeah, Heidi's working on it. She just
got back in town. >> Thank you for all that.
» Hey, that training is actually Thursday. >> Oh,
» thank you. It's Thursday. >> Well, that makes it easier.
» I have it on the wrong day on my own personal calendar. Thank you.
» Um, okay. There was a crosswalks um
agenda item that Jessica and I had sent to y'all. Um should we do any planning
to get that ready or anything for that? >> I it's it's for some of the crosswalks
they brought up but for painting some >> uh I sent it on I so I just wondered if
we should be prepared for next week or the or the next meeting or which meeting
for that one. >> There there were some general locations
but some of them weren't exact. I think we just need to talk. I don't
even I don't know that it's going to need to come to the council unless it's
a new one that requires a warrant study. >> So, do you just want us to Well, it was
two of them were new, two of them were uh to paint over.
» The genesis of it was when we were watching the Mountainville Academy
parking and we realized where people were parking and the new one looks good
and people can see it and the older ones around there. And then we thought of the
other well mostly because Alpine days were next to the kid with his leg, you
know, in a stretcher thing who got hit where they were talking about the Grove
and Alpine Boulevard. That's the other one. So, what would be the proper
format? Uh because if we did the two signature thing, would should we just go
directly have a meeting with you or something?
» So, on that one, I mean, if the council wants us to
» is that something we should >> look at a warrant study for a four-way
stop there, we can do that. >> Well, it wasn't for the four-way. It was
just for crosswalks. We can add that if you want, but it was for crosswalks.
» How much are warrant studies? Just out of curiosity,
» they're not cheap. Um, I'm trying to remember.
» Look one up that we did on Westfield and see what it
» we have to have a warrant study to put in a four-way stop.
» Um, that's what the MUTCD says. Um there might be
a little provision in there something about local approvals but they recommend
it's I might say guidance. >> So for speed sakes would it be okay just
to do a discussion item on those and then we can just talk about it and
figure out what direction everyone wants to go for those crosswalks and
potentially a stop sign. >> I would like to I would like to find out
if it's warranted now. Right. >> Okay. So maybe a discussion item on
that. Is that okay with the downhill speeds there? I think that's that's kind
of a a nasty intersection. >> I I live off road and I've seen
» Yeah, >> people expect I'd be in favor of people
expect it to be a four-way stop. So sometimes
» Well, what would you all like to do? A discussion item, a vote, or should I
just go directly through Shane to try to help with the crosswalks?
» I mean, I don't think it won't be over 15,000. So on on the the four-way stop
warrant. >> So
» why would you like me to do I'm happy to do whatever. I think it's I think we
should >> You're saying that there was one
conducted according to that resident like a few years ago and it didn't
warrant one >> conducted what Jed did. He looked at he
contacted the police department and look for crash history. So that's one of the
bullet points as part of the warrant study and the crash history didn't meet
what the warrant said it should to justify a four-way stop.
» Is that just one factor though? >> That's one of the factors.
» But you have to meet like a serious >> We didn't do we didn't do a warrant
study. No, >> I I I would I would be in favor of doing
a war study. >> I as well I would be in favor of that.
» Okay. All right. >> What else? Sandra.
» Well, hold on. That took a turn. >> Uh I guess I can work on that then.
Jessica, if Jessica was here, she would be saying this. Um there, this is with
Sarah. We have the zoning change meeting. If anyone else wants to be
involved in that, just as a heads up, it's on the back side of uh on the back
side of Main Street looking at some of the houses to change the zoning to
residential. So, that's a meeting we're having and if that's something that any
of you have any problems with or concerns, let let us know. Um that we
have a height fix meeting, a speed reduction one, and then I sent with
Brent and I the fire uh the fire mitigation project. Is there anything
that holds that up or does it just come forward?
» Well, we were going to ask the chief to you asked the chief to
» he came by and talked to me. He didn't say any problems. He says he wants to
walk it, but I don't again this is most of these are I'm just bringing up
because of process we both signed. Does it come up for a vote? Do we or do we
need like the chief to okay it for a vote? Is there kind of like that as
well? >> I would like the chief's input. But in
» Okay. So, maybe walk it with them. Is that
» in light of the new information that we do have a completed CWPP
» because I had heard it's, you know, it's almost done. It's almost done. It's
almost done. This is actually the first time that I've heard that it's actually
completed. I would really like to look at our resources to be able to um go for
a larger chunk of money. Okay. >> And to really kind of go after these,
you know, border areas. >> This project was only three grand. So
just it was it's the whole just so you know it's the um it's from basically the
entire trail from the river trail. So when you're in Lambert it's the river
trail to the Zurker's house. It's that trail and there's just to have a walk on
it. There's dead wood dead the entire way both sides. So it's just to clear
that out. No living no nothing. Uh I think we could do it in volunteers. So
» yeah let's get the opinion of the chief and then move forward.
» Okay. That gives me d that gives me direction. That's a good start.
» Okay. Uh the there's you already went over the flock cameras. Deian's going to
send that. And then >> um there's a running thing in a CP3
thing that we submitted. Are you okay with those? Are those okay?
» Those present presentations. Do do you by chance know will those be next
council meeting or we don't know yet. >> I think we'll look at the agenda and see
how it looks like. Like >> we'll let you know.
» This is the issue. We thought this meeting would be over before now and
it's >> last one is the fences. You just want me
to give you exact places where you want me to put that and that's the last
thing. >> Yeah. Yeah. I'm I think I have a little
bit of input, but I from what I've hearing from the council, you guys just
want it to come as as you have it. And so I think you putting it in the
ordinance where you think it should go is is a good
» Is that still going to come up just as a discussion item then or?
» Yes. First, >> if it's a discussion item, I think it
would be okay just to bring it as is to discuss each point and see if anyone has
a problem with any of them. It's the It's the fence ordinance basically just
dialed down to it would do this, this, and this. And if you have any problems
with it, then I could put it into the actual script.
» But if I'm understanding what you're proposing, you're saying add the
language you sent me into the current ordinance. Are you saying this is all
we're we want now for the fence ordinance?
» Well, it's just the original concept. Uh, it's the original concept 8 foot to
six feet unless it's open. >> Yeah. uh strategy,
» but do you want all the other lang because there's a lot of language in the
fence ordinance longer than what you sent me.
» Do you want that still there plus everything you have or
» Oh, yeah. It just changes minor words in the current fence
» or so that that's the only reason I was suggesting if you want to just put it
where you think all these should go. >> Yeah,
» that will help us I think with a productive discussion.
» I think I think that's it. >> Will we um will we also get your
thoughts on >> Yeah, I'm happy to provide my thoughts
as well. I'd like to know that for sure. Yeah. Then to be totally clear on the
process, it will have to go back. If there's
» if the council says, "Hey, we want this to move forward." Then it would have to
go back, have a public hearing, go through planning commission, they make a
recommendation, council, >> and it would be on here for action.
» Right. We're we're greasing our joints for how we do this. So, thanks.
» Just make sure that's everything. Thank you.
» Okay. Um just the centric com if you guys can help spread the word to ask
people to take a screenshot of their speed tests and then they can um email
me and then the city needs to make a map and so we need the data in order to get
that to centric com before they can get started and then should we talk about
the donation? So we have a donation from a resident um
but it is not coming directly to the city. It's going towards projects that
this person is supporting. $100,000 to the mountain bike trail that is
currently being um worked on in Three Falls, $150,000 going to the rodeo, and
then $250,000 going towards playground equipment for one of the rings at
Creekide. So that's >> the rings.
» That's very generous. >> Please tell them thank you. That's very
generous. >> Thank you, whoever you are, resident.
» Going to remain anonymous. Um I I wasn't quite sure how they wanted it. No, the
the playground one it will have a plaque. Um and then the trail I believe
will have a name associated with it. And then I'm not sure about the rodeo. We
don't have um this came I'm asking which is awesome about this donation but the
heritage foundation um is trying to come up with a naming process and ordinance
so that when they get these donations for the sculpture garden and it needs to
be consistent with what we do. So as far as I know we don't have a naming
ordinance and I know we did the softball I'm sorry the baseball park too. So, is
can we add that to your list, Kaden, to >> we we already have it on there
» to make sure that we get that in place so that they're in compliance with ours
instead of the other way around. >> So, Steve and I met with Bob Hansen just
over a Zoom call last Friday, I think, and talked about this and and some other
things. And they're getting their attorney to talk to Steve because Steve
had some concerns with some things that just needed to be ironed out. So, it's
that's why it wasn't presented tonight. It's still being worked on.
» So, um is is ours more restrictive? >> Um so,
» less restrictive. >> We don't have a gift acceptance policy.
And so, that's that's what they said a lot of cities that they work with will
adopt. >> The Heritage Foundation said that. Okay.
» So, that's that's what we're working on. So that would would whatever we do would
apply equally to the sculpture garden as well as like a private donation even
like our new building over here. All of that would fall under one umbrella.
» I think I think so. I haven't seen an ordinance like this but I think so.
» So we talked about that a couple years ago when we did baseball name like we
don't want to do it in perpetuity. Let's have some standards.
» So just to be clear the donation >> Ryan was working on it and he just never
got it >> finished.
» Okay. Anything else? If not, I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn.
» I'll make a motion to adjurnn. >> Is there a second?
» Second. >> Okay. All in favor?
» I >> I
» We did it by 9:45.
» Yeah.
» Good night, everybody. Late breath midnight.