[0:02] Okay. Thank you. I'd like to call to
order the Alpine City Council meeting
[0:07] for August 26th, 2026.
I'm sorry, August 25th, 2026.
[0:15] [laughter]
Excuse me.
[0:17] We will start with a roll call starting
from Councilman Young and then a prayer
[0:23] led by Councilman Young and a pledge um
I'm [clears throat] sorry, prayer
[0:28] offered by Councilman Young and a pledge
offered by or led by um Councilwoman
[0:33] Sarah Blackwell.
Okay, roll call.
[0:37] » I'll substitute for Councilman Young and
say the prayer.
[0:40] » Okay.
>> Bren Remler, present.
[0:42] » Sarah Blackwell, present.
>> Chrissy Henman, present.
[0:46] Okay,
so we have two that are not present.
[0:50] Andrew Young and Jessica Smeuan. We will
move to a prayer offered by Councilwoman
[0:56] Haniman.
[1:00] Our dear kind heavenly father, we're
grateful for this beautiful evening that
[1:03] we could gather as a community and
discuss important things to each of us
[1:07] and to the public at large. We're
grateful for those who serve, grateful
[1:12] for the uh time and interest. We're
grateful for a successful alpine days
[1:17] that no harm or fire. We're grateful for
the extra rain we've received and uh the
[1:24] accompanying rainbows and bless that
everyone will um learn and listen well
[1:32] tonight. And we say these things Christ.
Amen.
[1:34] » Amen.
>> Please rise and join me in the pledge of
[1:37] allegiance.
>> Ready? Begin. I pledge algiance to the
[1:42] flag of the United States of America and
to the republic for which it stands. One
[1:50] nation under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all.
[1:58] » Okay, let's move on to the consent
calendar.
[2:05] » Are there any questions uh for the items
on the consent calendar?
[2:09] Just one quick one and that is uh um in
the future what what would really help
[2:15] is if we can get just a couple
comparisons because I mean I'm no expert
[2:19] in uh lawnmowers. Just a couple
comparison. Look, there's a big tier,
[2:23] there's a little mil tier, there's a
used one, there's a notused one. Um and
[2:27] maybe just some cost estimates because I
mean I don't know how uh the rest of the
[2:30] council is arriving at where they feel
comfortable with the decisions on these.
[2:35] Uh so any sort of comparison will help.
The other thing that'll help is when uh
[2:40] we have like a $68,000 lawnmower come
up, just what fund it's coming from, how
[2:46] much we've got in there, and then we can
kind of identify, okay, we're here. This
[2:50] is a big expense, it's a small expense.
Just those that that's the only uh
[2:54] » and that information is all outlined in
the budget as far as where it's coming
[2:58] from. It's it was part of the budget
that was approved,
[3:01] » right? I know that it what what I what I
don't know is how much is in there and
[3:07] like how big of a dent this makes that
that's all just just because of those
[3:10] uncertainties. It makes it hard to uh
and we want to be there. We know you
[3:13] know that information. It's just helpful
for us. That's all. Thank you.
[3:16] » Yeah. And then I can report that the
used park equipment that we sold on
[3:21] public surplus ended up bringing in
about 21,000.
[3:25] So it'll offset some of this cost as
well.
[3:30] » Okay. Oh, wait. Last. Is this Is this
new used? I don't I don't know.
[3:33] » This is new.
>> Okay.
[3:37] » Okay. Well, yeah, it's Especially when
it's something that's going to be used
[3:41] every day during the season,
>> right?
[3:42] » I don't think we want to deal with
>> No, it's just the most expensive lawn
[3:46] mower I've ever seen. That's [laughter]
>> Well, you're not
[3:51] I just I can't handle it. That's
>> the one it's replacing, if we bought the
[3:55] same model, would be probably 150,000.
Wow. Lawnmowers went up.
[4:01] » It's a bigger one.
>> Okay. Well, just as I get clarification
[4:04] on those things, I'll be more in
supportive. Until I can, I can't make
[4:07] those decisions on such a big cost. So,
>> so with that being said, I'll entertain
[4:11] a motion.
>> I'm to approve the consent calendar as
[4:15] noted.
>> Is there a second? Okay. It's been moved
[4:18] by Councilman um Rmler, seconded by
Councilwoman Haniman. Um let's proceed
[4:22] with the roll call vote starting from
Councilman Young.
[4:25] » Uh Andrew Young, no.
>> Chris, yes. No.
[4:28] » Oh. Oh, sorry.
>> I'm sorry. Brent, can you
[4:32] » Brent Rumler? Yes.
>> Sarah Blackwell. Yes.
[4:35] » Chris Anamman. Yes.
>> Okay. Motion passes. Let's move forward
[4:40] with public comment.
We will start with Julie Scott,
[4:47] followed by Isabelle Squires.
[4:55] » How long would you like these comments
to be, Mayor? Uh, let's see. Probably
[4:59] two minutes. We've got a lot on the
>> state's
[5:12] » on the base on the microphone. Yeah.
>> No, it doesn't.
[5:20] » Oh, it's on the back.
>> Ah, wonderful. Thank you.
[5:25] » All right. I'm I'm here for to talk
about the stop putting in the stop signs
[5:30] up on Grove Drive and Alpine Boulevard.
Um,
[5:36] did I say that right?
>> Yes. Anyway, [snorts] I we've my parents
[5:40] have lived here almost 50 years and um I
was here for my high school years and
[5:47] and at that time Grove Drive ended just
a little bit above. But now there's so
[5:52] many houses up there and so many people.
It's become a thoroughfare. I mean,
[5:56] that's the way to get out of Alpine. And
so, there's so much more traffic coming
[6:01] down that road. And I noticed that there
are only two spots on Grove Drive coming
[6:07] down where there's a cross, like a
four-way cross, and that's one of them.
[6:12] The other one's down here on the main
area. So, I really think that it is a
[6:18] good proposal to to put in a four-way
stop, put in the sidewalks, um put in
[6:24] crosswalks. I know as since I've been
here the last three years have helping
[6:28] my parents, I have seen children walking
and biking and and adults too um on that
[6:36] road and crossing the road. And I know
our ward is on both sides. So, these
[6:41] kids have friends on both sides and
they're crossing that. I think it's
[6:44] really important and I'm voting for it.
Thank you.
[6:48] » Would you say your name again? I missed.
>> I'm Julie Scott.
[6:52] » What street do you live?
>> Um, and I live on Moy Drive. So, we come
[6:55] off Moy Drive and go right up there and
and take either one either go straight
[7:00] and down or go down Grove Drive. So,
that's that's a road that we go down a
[7:04] lot.
>> Thank you very much.
[7:06] » So, thank you.
>> Isabelle Squires followed by Elizabeth
[7:09] Wilson.
[7:14] Hello, my name is Isabelle Squires from
999 Grove Drive. Um, I am a part of
[7:20] Mountainville's Mountainville Academy
student council. When I found out that
[7:23] you were not letting us park at the
park, I was sad because I love going to
[7:26] the park to hang out with my friends and
play on the playground while I wait for
[7:29] my mom to pick me up. If you're worried
about safety, the park is the safest
[7:33] place to go. It's a big open space, so
it's easier to find your parents' car.
[7:37] You can see almost any car anywhere in
the park. And if you're on the grass,
[7:41] you are safe from any vehicle like cars
or bikes. On rainy days, it's nice to be
[7:44] able to go into the gazebo or or into
the pavilion to be sheltered from the
[7:48] rain. At our school, we focus on the
seven habits. Think win-win is one of
[7:52] them. To think win-win is when two or
more people have different ideas and
[7:56] they combine them so everyone gets what
they want and are happy by working
[7:59] together to get an outcome that
everybody likes. Do you think the city
[8:02] did that? They didn't ask us about our
opinion about the traffic. If they would
[8:06] have told us nicely that they had issues
with what we were doing, we could have
[8:09] come up with a better solution, maybe we
could still work out a solution. I love
[8:13] going to the park for pickup during
school. I look forward to going to the
[8:16] park after school. Going to the park is
the highlight of my day, so I hope you
[8:20] take that into consideration.
>> Thank you. [applause]
[8:26] Okay, after Elizabeth, we'll um hear
from Julian Julianne Rally.
[8:32] » Okay. Thank you. My name is Elizabeth
Willis. I live on May Circle and I came
[8:38] to city council about a year ago with um
concerns that there was not a school
[8:46] speed limit sign as you approach the
school from the south in Mountainville.
[8:50] And I'm just so happy. I'm really
grateful that that has been amended um
[8:54] because I even spoke with a state
representative about that. So really
[8:58] happy about that. I do love the
crosswalk change. I think it's just such
[9:02] a huge safety improvement. I have kids
that go to Mountainville. Um, I will say
[9:07] I do think it would really help
alleviate traffic if we had the ability
[9:12] to go to the park. Those individuals
that come to the school from the north,
[9:17] then you're catching them before they
come south all the way to the school and
[9:21] having to come and contribute to that
congestion. So, I will say I do think
[9:26] that that could be tweaked again with
being able to go and alleviate some of
[9:29] that traffic and get some of that up
north instead of the congestion right
[9:33] there on Main Street. But I do really
appreciate the safety improvements for
[9:38] my kids. So, thank you so much.
>> Thank you,
[9:41] » Mayor. There there was a sign there. We
actually just took it down. So, maybe
[9:46] the new design is more visible. So,
that's great.
[9:48] » Yeah.
[9:52] the last two years and it wasn't
[10:06] » typ typically the officers let us know
um that check with that work the
[10:10] crossing guards if there's an issue
because we go work on them all the time.
[10:13] It seems like we're at Westfield Road
all the time. So that's one we had never
[10:17] heard about not working.
Okay.
[10:23] Okay. We've got
and then after um after Julianne we will
[10:30] have Addie Squires.
>> Okay.
[10:33] » All right. Hi, I'm Julianne Rally and I
live on Ponderosa Drive. I am an over
[10:38] 13-year resident of um Alpine and I am
an also a 13-year
[10:44] um employee at Mountainville Academy.
So, I have two loves and I want to see
[10:49] both um I want to see a win-win with
this um parking situation. So, first I
[10:54] want to I want to say um I want to add
and say that I love the new crosswalk.
[10:59] That is brilliant and I think it's going
to help a ton. I really love it that um
[11:06] and I love the new signs and flashing
lights. I feel like it makes our school
[11:10] safer and our students safer and that is
my number one goal. I love my students
[11:14] and I love um all of the students at
Mountainville Academy and I want to keep
[11:18] them safe and I want to um as a staff
we've all we're constantly talking about
[11:24] traffic and what we can do to you know
we talk about ideas and things and so we
[11:29] want a win-win there. I have my
neighbors who come and talk to me and
[11:33] they're like I hate the traffic and so I
love that you're working on it and and
[11:38] and I want to fully support that. Um my
biggest thing is I read the report that
[11:44] came out um earlier this year about uh
recommending Legacy Park to be a drop
[11:51] off and pickup solution for students.
And I also read that there were concerns
[11:56] about safety, but I feel like it is one
of the safest
[12:00] option. We've had that option for what
is it 17 18 years and there haven't been
[12:05] any incidents. it has been a safe option
for students and to help alleviate
[12:11] traffic. I think it's a really excellent
solution. I would love to see you bring
[12:14] that back. Um
and
[12:19] Oh, my phone doesn't want to work. Um
but I do want to um I have 10 seconds.
[12:25] Okay. I think that's the biggest thing
is just please reopen and visit it. I
[12:29] feel like it's safe. I think it's a
win-win. It'll help alleviate traffic
[12:32] and I really think that I see
Tuesday
[12:38] » and I see traffic there and I think we
can make it again. Thank
[12:43] » we'll have Addie Squires followed by
Monica Ship.
[12:49] » Thank you Isabelle. That was really
brave. Oh, Addy Squires also 999 Grove
[12:54] Drive. That was really brave and thanks
for reminding us that we need to seek a
[12:57] win-win here. I think that Mountainville
had tried to do that by joining a task
[13:03] force on safety and traffic. And so I
think it's unfortunate from what I hear
[13:08] that the city made these decisions
unilaterally
[13:12] sort of in an overnight ambush right
before school started. And that's
[13:16] exhibiting the win-lose mentality. Okay.
And as has already been mentioned, it's
[13:22] asinine to ask the city residents from
the north to join the traffic to the
[13:26] south and use the red pine option. Uh we
were communicated with by the school
[13:32] that that's where you want to move the
traffic. So even though you might say,
[13:35] "Oh, the kids can still play at the
park." You're communicating we want to
[13:38] move the pickup from the park to Red
Pines. Now, the traffic report said that
[13:44] the city suggested red pines as an
option and they evaluated it and they
[13:49] said, "Well, sure, okay, but if you're
going to do it, you have to do it with a
[13:53] trial period, with communication,
collaboration, cooperation."
[13:58] None of that was done, right? You just
threw up those signs. And I mean, I have
[14:02] questions about how that works because
according to my understanding, the mi
[14:05] the municipal code requires that the
governing body direct the placement of
[14:11] parking signs. And I've had
communication from the council that
[14:14] there was no council action taken to put
up those temporary signs out there. Um,
[14:20] and so I would ask you to follow your
own rules and take the action properly.
[14:24] And finally, you know, city parks hold a
historic place uh in our constitutional
[14:30] rights as places to gather to peaceibly
assemble and enjoy freedom of speech and
[14:36] their public spaces. And that's why I
prefer to park there. I don't want to
[14:39] park in front of a neighbor's house. I'd
rather park in front of my city hall.
[14:42] So, I respectfully ask that you
reconsider the placement of those
[14:46] parking signs. And maybe Andrew, I'm not
sure how this works, but if we could
[14:50] take a second and clarify, you know, and
>> thank you for your time. I appreciate
[14:55] it.
>> If we could have Monica Ship followed by
[14:59] Karen Mson.
>> Is this I actually don't know the
[15:03] process and is this clarified or is this
something we have to do in closed
[15:06] meeting to ask what the actual process
is for uh uh us to make decisions on
[15:12] putting up signs or not? I I read the
email, but it was unclear. Let's talk
[15:16] about this after. Yeah, this is public
comment. It's not a public discussion.
[15:20] It's public comment. So, let's let them
have that time.
[15:23] » Sorry,
>> Monica.
[15:24] » Hi, I'm Monica Ship. I live on 1270
North Grove Drive. Um I'm here to talk
[15:29] about the um road improvements on Grove
Drive from Alpine Boulevard to I believe
[15:35] Heritage Hills. And um as many of the
council members have heard, we had a
[15:40] child hit there about five weeks ago on
their baptism day. They went over there
[15:45] on a bike and got hit by uh by a car.
They broke their femur, had a
[15:49] concussion, blood everywhere. Um it was
not a good good good situation for him.
[15:54] He is recovering and doing better and we
hope he continues to recover. But um I
[15:59] live just I am that house right north of
that intersection and I have five little
[16:03] kids of bike riding age that will be
utilizing that street for the eternities
[16:08] to come because we are not planning to
move. Um, and so the concern here isn't
[16:12] really that people are driving faster
than the 25 miles per hour, which they
[16:16] are. Not only the residents, but we have
countless uh dump trucks just zooming up
[16:22] there. Um, trades people going up there.
We had people just r uh running over
[16:27] there to get to Lambert Park as fast as
they can to get on the trails. Um, we
[16:32] understand that the city has conducted
um previous studies to see if a four-way
[16:37] stop sign is warranted and it wasn't
warranted then, but since that study was
[16:41] conducted, I believe 2022, maybe 2023,
um, uh, we have had significant uh,
[16:47] growth in the population just north of
Grove Drive. Um, and so I am hoping that
[16:53] we don't wait for another child or
pedestrian or honestly a car accident to
[16:58] happen, which I've witnessed this
morning on my way back from uh dropping
[17:01] my kids off from school. Two cars almost
collided at that intersection because
[17:04] they could not see each other um coming
up from the both hills that are at that
[17:08] intersection. So, I would ask you to
please reconsider a four-way stop sign.
[17:14] And then I know that the city has talked
about curbs and gutters on North Grove
[17:18] Drive. to prioritize that um for the
kids going up there on their bikes and
[17:22] um in the immediate time that this
traffic study is
[17:29] » Thank you, Julie.
>> Traffic calming measures. So, thank you.
[17:34] » Thank you, Monica. Um Karen
Mson followed by Michelle Shamway.
[17:42] » Hi, my name is Karen Mudson. I have a
child who goes to Mountainville Academy.
[17:48] I
am Am I speaking out of turn?
[17:52] » Okay. Um, so I came I actually live in
Pleasant Grove. I don't live in Alpine,
[17:57] but having a son who comes to
Mountainville and hopefully three more
[18:01] children right behind him coming to
Mountainville wanted to come and address
[18:06] uh the topic of traffic. And um I
believe that it would be in everyone's
[18:11] best interest if we can get traffic off
of Main Street because that blocks the
[18:15] city residents access that blocks um the
the parents coming from neighboring
[18:21] cities like myself. And so if we can
increase the um access that the children
[18:28] have to Mountain, one solution that I
thought of comes from my hometown of
[18:33] Sandy, Utah, where Sunrise Elementary
School, the students could only access
[18:38] through a very congested neighborhood.
And so my parents helped to get an
[18:43] easement of a sidewalk put in to allow
the kids to walk through um in between
[18:50] two home residences so that they could
walk to another area to be picked up
[18:56] there. And I think that this would work
well on either 200 South or over to Red
[19:02] Pines, but the faster that that parents
can be picking up their students, the
[19:07] less congestion there will be on Main
Street. and Red Pine is too close to
[19:11] that traffic circle to get traffic
moving. So, the more that you could even
[19:17] move up toward Legacy Park as been as
has been talked about or to the backside
[19:22] of Mountainville, if there's even a
sidewalk, that would help the children
[19:27] be able to get out of Mountainville to
another road safely. That's all. Thank
[19:33] you.
>> Thank you.
[19:36] Okay, Michelle. Excuse [clears throat]
me. Michelle Shamway, followed by our
[19:40] last um commenter, Sarah. I am going to
slaughter your name. I'm sorry.
[19:46] » Zistra.
>> Zilstra.
[19:48] » Zilstra. Sorry about that.
Um, so my name is Michelle Shemway. I
[19:54] live on 197 Hawthorne Court. And you
guys probably remember I came before to
[19:58] speak about golf carts. And I just
wanted to readress it and see if you had
[20:02] thought more about it. Um, I still feel
really strongly that this is a really
[20:06] good thing for our community. And after
hearing all these things addressed about
[20:10] traffic and things like that, I just
can't help but feel like golf carts
[20:14] could honestly be a solution. Like, you
know, a lot of residents in Alpine have
[20:18] golf carts and it could actually slow
down traffic and be a safer way for drop
[20:22] offs and pickups. And um, I feel safer
in my golf cart than I do riding a bike.
[20:27] So, I just feel like it's safe and I
feel like um maybe I was thinking of
[20:32] proposing like a trial period. You could
do like a 30-day trial period and see
[20:35] how it goes or something like that. Just
an idea I just thought of before this
[20:39] meeting, but just wanted to um readress
it. So, thank you so much for your time.
[20:44] » Thank you. Um Sarah,
[20:54] hi. I live on Campfire Circle just down
the street. Um, and to add to Michelle's
[21:01] comment about golf carts. Um, we feel
the exact same way. She kind of went
[21:05] over the safety issues or the safety
reasons why um, we want them, but um,
[21:12] our mine is more like memories with my
kids. Like I want to be able to ride my
[21:16] or take my six-year-old to his baseball
game at Westville down the street like
[21:20] to the gas station. like memories small
city feel like we don't have any stop
[21:25] sign or stop lights like it just kind of
slows everything down and just makes
[21:29] everything
um fun for the kids, fun for us. We get
[21:34] outside, we have fresh air, we don't
have to jump in a car all the time. Um
[21:39] it's just a really fun thing for our
family and I know it's a big thing for a
[21:42] lot of other families that have special
needs kids that take them out in the
[21:46] neighborhood to interact with other
kids. like that's how they get out and
[21:48] interact and um something they look
forward to. And um yeah, we just really
[21:54] miss being able to ride them around and
um socializing, the socialization that
[21:59] it brings into the community and the fun
memories that we're able to make with
[22:04] our kids.
Thanks.
[22:06] » Thank you, Michelle. Okay,
let's move on to item five, which is
[22:12] reports and presentations.
Um, who's doing the report on the golf
[22:17] carts and the fiber survey?
>> That would be me, mayor.
[22:21] » Okay,
[22:26] » zoom out of this.
So, perfect segue from the last two
[22:30] comments into this. Um,
so as as everyone knows or should know,
[22:36] we did a general information survey in
the month of July regarding golf carts
[22:41] and internet fiber. Um, so this is just
kind of the the results of that.
[22:47] So I'll just go through it. Um, we asked
five questions with the golf carts, one
[22:51] about the fiber. The first question we
asked about golf carts was how
[22:55] supportive are you of allowing golf
carts to operate on designated public
[22:58] streets within the city? And this was
the result from the respondents. we had
[23:05] uh a good amount strongly support um and
an even greater amount that some would
[23:10] oppose or strongly oppose uh golf carts
and we'll get into the reasons why but
[23:14] that's just the the raw numbers on that.
Uh question two was what do you believe
[23:20] are the primary benefits of allowing
golf carts in your community? Select all
[23:24] that apply. And so you can see the gray
here is other which we'll get into those
[23:27] comments and then these others that go
around the pie chart. Uh the red is no
[23:32] clear benefits. So these were obviously
the people that didn't think golf carts
[23:35] were a good idea. And then these are
other uh responses that people could
[23:38] fill out. Neighborhood mobility,
recreation, environmental benefits,
[23:42] reduce traffic congestion.
[23:46] And you can see there's a lot of numbers
here that more than the amount of people
[23:50] that took the survey. We had about 650
people that took the survey, but that's
[23:55] because they can answer multiple answers
on this. Same with this one. Uh, what
[24:00] concerns do you have about allowing golf
carts on public roads? Select all that
[24:05] apply. So, the gray is the other column
as well, which has people filled in
[24:09] comments on that one. Uh, the orange
here is no concerns. So, as you can see,
[24:13] most people had some level of concern. I
think even the the people that favor
[24:17] golf carts were were admitted that there
might be some concerns that they wanted
[24:22] to to address there. Um, concerns such
as driver behavior was was the biggest
[24:28] one.
uh road sharing confluence traffic
[24:31] accidents are some of the big ones.
Um the fourth question was just where
[24:37] you live. So you can see there's a wide
sample here. This is just one page. So I
[24:40] put etc here. We had people from all
over the city responding to this and you
[24:44] can see that in the raw data if you if
you follow the link. And then the last
[24:49] question was just what is your age? Um
and so most people that responded were
[24:53] were 45 or older to this survey.
[24:59] Um, so yeah, the other information that
I was referring to before, I can zoom in
[25:04] a little bit on this. So there were 168
people that selected other, there were
[25:10] 166 total write in answers. So for
question two that was about the
[25:14] benefits, we had 26 people talk about
the benefits of golf carts and 140
[25:19] people talk about the concerns with golf
carts on public roads. So that equals
[25:24] the 166 respondents.
However, we looked at the data a little
[25:29] bit closer and what we found was that a
lot of people that actually clicked on
[25:33] the benefits other question actually
filled out a concern. So that benefit
[25:38] number went down to eight. Uh and the
139 of the responses were regarding
[25:43] concerns. And then the other responses
that were there, the 19 that were there
[25:48] were more neutral or related to just
policy suggestions.
[25:52] So you can see in that table that that
still equals the 166 uh respondents.
[25:57] So I'll click on this link. This shows
the the data that we did to make sure
[26:02] that this is accurate what I'm saying
right now. So
[26:06] so we have for example one the question
two primary benefits what the person
[26:11] actually said was safety concerns
greatly outweigh the benefits of my
[26:14] mind. So we reclassified that as a
concern.
[26:19] uh or such as this one. This was clicked
on as a benefit by the by the
[26:23] respondent, but they actually said too
many disobedient teenagers in town. So,
[26:26] it's actually a concern. So, we just
filled that out. Made sure that was
[26:30] actually classified according to what
the people were saying.
[26:36] Let me go back to this now.
[26:41] [clears throat]
[26:44] Okay. Um and then I just had a word
cloud made here. That was like the main
[26:50] words that we found in the since
concerns were the biggest response that
[26:53] we got uh on those other responses. Uh
this world word word cloud came out as
[27:00] as these words the main words used
driver age kid cart because the main
[27:06] concern was definitely underage driving
was what we found. So those are the most
[27:10] used words.
All right. And then the last question
[27:14] like I said there was just one question
about fiber that we had in the survey.
[27:17] So, we said, "How likely is it that you
would switch to Centricom Fiber from
[27:20] Comcast if it was available as an option
in Alpine City?" And these were the
[27:24] results of that.
[27:29] » Shane and I have been working with the
new president of Centriccom to um see if
[27:34] they would come into our city. Since
I've been mayor, I've been trying to
[27:37] excuse [clears throat] me, especially
after the pandemic, realizing the need
[27:41] for our residents to get reliable and
consistent um fast-speed internet. Um,
[27:47] as you guys all well know, we only have
one provider in our city and um I've had
[27:52] a lot of complaints from our residents
that their rates keep getting hyped up,
[27:56] their um connection isn't reliable. And
so we have spoken with many many
[28:02] different fiber providers throughout the
years, but Centriccom is the one that
[28:07] has come the furthest. They um they kind
of specialize in smaller cities. Um we
[28:12] had another meeting a couple of weeks
ago um with Highland City also try to
[28:17] entice them to come in and it looks like
it's looking pretty good. what they need
[28:22] from um our residents is to do if
they're not getting reliable um fast
[28:29] speed internet. What we're finding is
what Comcast reported to the government
[28:34] as far as the speeds that they're
providing is that they're according to
[28:38] the government and Comcast our map shows
that
[28:42] most of our residents are being serviced
by one gig or more. But when I talk to
[28:47] residents and have them do actual speed
tests, there's one that's paying for one
[28:52] gig and the speed that they're getting
is like 211, which is not even, you
[28:58] know, a fourth of what they should be
getting for download speeds or upload
[29:02] speeds. Um, so Centric, what it is, it's
fiber to the home. So you have your own
[29:08] fiber connection. Their infrastructure
allows up to 11 gigs per line or, you
[29:14] know, per connection. But um their
general I believe one gig up and down um
[29:21] their rate is about $74 and it hasn't
changed much throughout the years. They
[29:26] don't do the practice of raising your
rates every six month six to 12 months.
[29:30] Um I feel like you know if we can get
somebody else to come in it's better for
[29:34] our residents whenever there's a
competitive market. So that's why I
[29:38] needed some data to give to them what
the temperature was of with our
[29:42] residents because most of our residents
are on that single
[29:47] provider. Um they needed to know if
there was a market that was available to
[29:51] them. So that's why I asked Heidi since
we were already doing one on the golf
[29:55] carts that we um attached this to the
end so that we can um see what the
[29:59] temperature is of our residents.
>> I would have responded but my internet
[30:03] was too slow. [laughter]
Is there a is there an infrastructure
[30:07] cost to that to the city?
>> Not to the city. No,
[30:10] » that's why it's good. And they want to
come in to the ones that are the most
[30:14] underserved because I think they feel
like the people that aren't getting
[30:17] reliable internet are more likely to um
you know go with them. And so that's
[30:23] they want to see high success and be
able to justify going more into our
[30:27] city. They're already here. They service
um city hall. They will be servicing the
[30:33] fire station. They service all the
schools in the city. So they do have a
[30:37] backbone.
>> If they were to come, do they have to
[30:42] tear up our roads?
>> No, they go into behind they do it um
[30:48] it's in our rightway, but they do it
behind the sidewalk
[30:52] kind of like what um is it Utopia? I
believe Utopia Fiber also does that. And
[30:57] it's nice because they're not tearing up
our roads. They're not doing the micro
[31:00] trenching. um and you know if they can
they'll try to utilize our overhead
[31:05] lines which makes it much more um
cost-effective for them but no there is
[31:11] not an infrastructure cost to us which
is huge because most of the fiber
[31:15] companies I've met with wanted a2 to4
million
[31:19] um outlay from us well and actually it
was two million back before it was right
[31:25] about the pandemic times when all the
prices started going up.
[31:30] Okay. Anything else?
>> Nope. That is it. I'll just say because
[31:33] Heidi wanted me to make sure I
communicated this. Um, oh, so yeah,
[31:37] here's the source for the raw data for
anyone who wants to look at the actual
[31:40] raw data. The survey, Heidi wanted to
make sure I communicated that this is a
[31:43] statistically valid survey based on how
we conducted it. Um, it was put in the
[31:47] news line in early July. It ran for
about three weeks to July 1 to July 5th
[31:53] to around um, you know, mid July. Um
there were two to three social media
[31:58] posts about this that she put out. Uh it
was emailed to every email we have for
[32:02] the utility building. So about 200
households or more. Um like I said we
[32:07] had over 600 responses to it and the
survey was filtered so that only one
[32:13] response could be given per device. So I
just wanted to put that information out
[32:17] there
>> which is I mean that's a huge response
[32:19] pool for a small city like our size. I
think um when I told when I was telling
[32:24] them about the survey results, they were
surprised that we had so many
[32:27] respondents.
[32:30] » Okay.
>> You just want us to go one by one
[32:32] quickly on them.
>> No, that's just the results. Is there if
[32:36] you if you have questions about it, you
can look at the raw data or you can
[32:38] » Well, just a couple comments. Did you
want to go though, Brent? I will you
[32:42] » No, I Sarah doesn't I I'll go quick
then.
[32:44] » The um Thanks for doing it. That's
awesome. The uh I'm looking at golf
[32:49] carts like fireworks. Like the reason
fireworks are dangerous is because the
[32:53] environment we're in is like high fire.
>> Um
[32:56] » Okay. Um
>> Well, no. I was just going to say no.
[32:58] Okay. Hold on just a second. And it's
really quick.
[33:00] » This isn't a discussion. This is a
presentation that he made. If you have
[33:05] something that you want
>> to let him want to know what to do next,
[33:07] what to do next. So,
>> if you want to pursue it, then it's the
[33:11] same thing as anything else. Get another
council person to get it on the agenda.
[33:16] » Right.
>> But this is just a
[33:17] » We're not We're not going to discuss it
at all. not not discuss it at all.
[33:21] » No, we're moving on.
>> Okay. The the
[33:24] » discussion will be if you want to bring
it back to a
[33:27] » Well, it's it's not it's just one thing
with the study. That's all I was going
[33:29] to say. I'll just say it quick. The
study, everyone is against kids driving
[33:33] golf carts. In the study, though, it
wasn't clear that kids would not be
[33:36] allowed to drive golf carts. So, most of
the people saying that they don't like
[33:41] them. We're all in agreement. We don't
want kids to drive golf carts. as I
[33:45] talked to them, they didn't understand
this was a survey for only adults with
[33:49] driver's license to drive golf carts.
So, there's just one loophole. So, so
[33:53] the people that are for this who have
been pushing for this, you might want to
[33:57] do a little more education for the folks
and let them know what this actually was
[34:02] and then maybe come back at it because I
know this was your this was this the
[34:07] genesis was you and so they didn't
understand that. So, just that was all.
[34:11] Thank you and thank you for doing the
fiber. I think that's I think it's gonna
[34:14] help.
>> Okay. Financial report, Shane.
[34:18] [clears throat]
>> Yeah. So, we're we're just one month
[34:20] into our our new budget year. Uh but we
did uh get our last sales tax uh
[34:27] allocation for FY26,
which put us about 2.76%
[34:33] uh increase over the previous year. Uh
so, it's good to see some growth there.
[34:39] um uh the books were closed after we
received this last week. Um Dave
[34:44] finalized that and we're actually moving
into our audit um next week. So he had
[34:49] that all kind of teed up and it's
actually pretty much unheard of to do
[34:54] that. Um but Dave Dave does a great job
with it. So um you only being one month
[35:00] in, we have we've expended some funds.
If you go through and look at insurance,
[35:05] it might say 80% or something like that,
but it's 8% through the budget year, but
[35:09] it's front-loaded, so don't get
concerned with those type things.
[35:15] Uh, the largest project in our budget is
well underway, um, the fire station. And
[35:20] so, we'll start seeing regular monthly
uh, payments, you know, in the 250,000
[35:26] range, probably sometimes more depending
on equipment and things. But, um, It's
[35:32] going well so far.
So, um, any questions
[35:38] related to the financial report? It's
pretty brief, one month in.
[35:43] » Anybody have questions?
Okay. Thank you, Shane. Let's move on to
[35:50] um
report on the CWPP.
[35:55] Chief, are you doing that or is Chief
Beck?
[35:58] » Okay.
[36:12] I'm going to talk about CWP.
Essentially, the CWPP
[36:16] coincides with our CWS that we that we
go through every year, which is our
[36:22] cooperative
wildfire agreement, which essentially
[36:26] says that we are going to
play ball with the state. And what what
[36:33] we do for our CWS is we keep a current
CWPP.
[36:38] We have a monetary cost based on
um essentially our threat level which we
[36:47] t we do in kind work. Um so things like
equipment purchases and engine purchases
[36:55] and and also mitigation projects,
anything like that, we count that
[36:59] towards the cost of of the CWS. And what
the CWS really gives us is
[37:08] I I would I would refer to it as more of
an insurance. If we have a fire that
[37:12] starts in Alpine proper and goes to
state or federal or if it stays in
[37:17] Alpine proper, if if Lambert Park, which
is completely in Alpine City, caught on
[37:22] fire,
if that fire gets big enough to where we
[37:26] have resources that come in and that
fire gets delegated, the state is going
[37:30] to take on the cost of that fire. So if
you know back to 2012, we have that fire
[37:36] again. We've got VLATs coming. I mean,
one VLAT drop is going to be
[37:41] a million dollars, right? And that's why
fires cost so much money. And
[37:46] essentially what that does is protect us
from
[37:49] protect you rather from having to have
that
[37:54] cost. So the CWP is something that we
keep current all the time. Um what you
[38:01] have in your packet I believe is
probably somewhere in the neighborhood
[38:05] of 91 pages long. Um we opted rather
than to just fill out the state template
[38:12] to really put in a very detailed
um CWPP plan.
[38:19] um so that we can also use this to
hopefully fund some grant requests and
[38:27] help with the mitigation efforts in both
Alpine and Highland.
[38:31] With the the old CWPP,
um it became very apparent quickly that
[38:37] nobody's going to give us a bunch of
money if we don't have a plan. So the
[38:40] CWPP, the community wildfire protection
plan is what is required and it needs to
[38:45] be a robust plan that's detailed and and
really lines out what we are going to do
[38:51] if the state or the federal government
or anybody gives us money.
[38:58] » So how soon um can we start going for
these grants for the mitigation or
[39:04] » I would assume right now. We have all
the signatures. CWPP's been put back,
[39:10] given back to the state. So, I would
think that it's official and we just
[39:14] need to figure out what grants are out
there. And
[39:17] » well, what about the grant that um
Draper got um to do all their wildlife
[39:23] or wildland mitigation work that came
down into Alpine on the northwest
[39:28] corner? Um is there any way that we can
go for grant that will continue that
[39:32] work along the northern border and then
if eventually the east um the eastern
[39:38] border of our city
>> as long as that northern and eastern
[39:41] border are not forest
>> right
[39:45] » that was a state grant
>> right the northern side it's mostly
[39:48] owned by the city right it's um public
open space and so when I talked to the
[39:54] » that's the place that we could
>> when I talked to is it Mike is that his
[39:57] name when I talked to Mike I said that's
all city property and we give you
[40:01] permission to do mitigation work. Um the
east um border of Alpine is a little bit
[40:08] more difficult but it's mostly private
own private land owners and I think they
[40:12] would be amendable um once we get that
grant money or if we need to get their
[40:16] permission and we can go around and
start doing that also but the sooner we
[40:20] can get working on that the better.
>> Absolutely. We just need a grant writer.
[40:27] We know of one.
>> Good.
[40:31] » We have to pay him. But yes, we do know
of one.
[40:34] » Well, we we have a little bit of money.
We Did you get the first submission we
[40:38] got? Did that go to you or Justice
Shane?
[40:41] » No, I was copied on it.
>> Were was it good?
[40:46] » Well, I don't He's the boss of the fire
brigade.
[40:50] » Did you like it?
>> We'll talk.
[40:53] » Why don't you We pitch the first one to
do is Lambert. basically all the homes
[40:57] on Lambert on our trail to get rid of
all of the fire problems. I thought it
[41:02] was good.
>> Okay.
[41:03] » I think we ought to change our name to
fire brigade.
[41:05] » There you go. Do you guys have any
>> I like it. Well, whatever.
[41:08] » Do you have any questions?
>> Well, just whenever you have one
[41:11] » regarding the CWPP.
>> Uh, we love it.
[41:15] » I don't I don't have any regarding the
CWP. I did notice in there that they
[41:19] commended, you know, three falls for
their mitigation work. And would it be
[41:22] possible either for Jason Jones or Chief
Beck or yourself to come and speak to
[41:27] like have a community education night
and go over what's worked really well
[41:31] for Three Falls and how we can translate
that into other community subdivisions
[41:36] and
>> Yeah, absolutely.
[41:38] » Would you be the one or should I reach
out to Jason?
[41:41] » No, I think Jason would be the one. He's
he's the one that's been either
[41:44] facilitating or recommending the work
that's being done up there. So,
[41:48] » okay. Jason or or I mean we've worked a
lot with with Jason to try to make sure
[41:53] that we're I mean we want to know what's
being done so that because there are
[41:57] there are parts of that work that's
being done that we can tie into if we
[42:01] had an event up there. So we're very
much want to be a part of it. Not so
[42:06] much the work but as far as knowing what
the resources are up there.
[42:11] » Okay.
>> Yeah. So like all the people that I know
[42:12] up at Three Falls, they've done their
own mitigation work and Jason has kind
[42:16] of guided them and kind of gave them
hints like oh you know this is what you
[42:20] want to do not like a complete fire
line. He's kind of in line with what the
[42:24] um Forest Service
>> and um what the state and the county
[42:28] level have kind of suggested with that
and that's what they're working on is
[42:31] basically clearing the dead fall,
thinning it out.
[42:34] » So it's more the private property owners
up there that have been doing it and
[42:37] Jason's just kind of been helping. The
only thing that has not been done by the
[42:41] um private property owners was the
leftover money that was given to Draper
[42:44] to do the fire mitigation when they were
going around the perimeter of their city
[42:49] was that there was extra monies and so
they used it to come down and kind of
[42:54] met up with three falls and did a little
bit to that. So coming down that there's
[42:58] been fire mitigation done on um Draper
side and then where it meets Alpine and
[43:04] it comes down into Alpine but then the
money ran out. So if there is a
[43:08] potential like on the east side that's
more privately owned like if we get
[43:12] grant money we would focus primarily on
the north city property and then if
[43:17] there's extra we could we can help
>> private res
[43:22] none of it went into private residents.
>> Okay.
[43:24] » It's all on city property.
>> Okay. That was my
[43:27] » there was some access through private
property um just to get access so that
[43:33] they didn't have to come up and over the
mountain every single time especially
[43:35] when they were getting closer that they
did ask for access and we work with
[43:39] private property owners to be able to
use their drives to get to an area so
[43:44] that it wouldn't take them hours to get
to where they needed to be.
[43:48] » Okay. Thanks. And I just have one last
question in here. It talks about
[43:52] specific subdivisions
that are, you know, have a higher higher
[43:58] risk or would you just classify those as
like along the interface and the benches
[44:03] or are there other subdivisions that are
not bordering wilderness or on the
[44:09] higher elevations that would also be
considered
[44:13] high risk? Um, right off the top of my
head, we do have a couple, at least one
[44:18] that I can think of that is not
necessarily bordering the urban
[44:21] interface that is internal, if you will.
>> Okay.
[44:24] » It's not right on the border pushing up
against the foothills that is for sure a
[44:29] high risk.
>> Okay. Maybe I'll just email you. I'm
[44:32] just curious what where they are, you
know, if there's a way we can target
[44:36] target some education towards those
specific areas, those communities.
[44:41] Right. Yeah. That's
>> and and the CWPP that is part of part of
[44:45] the CWPP is the education component. It
also brings into you know evacuation and
[44:51] how we get information out. And so when
you know going through this and doing
[44:55] our tabletops and everything that we did
leading through this, we had police, we
[45:00] had city officials. Um, yeah, it's it's
a it's a lot of people when you start
[45:07] looking at a if we were to have a huge
event for us to be prepared.
[45:12] » Yeah, I got to participate in that or
attend the tabletop. That was really
[45:15] interesting. So, thank you.
>> My um Kaden, would you mind scrolling
[45:21] down to page 149 of this document? Of
course, me being a visual person, I love
[45:27] these maps or hated them one way,
however you look at it. Could you just
[45:31] put this into layman's terms about the
the risk that we all live with daily?
[45:36] [laughter]
[45:39] » Well, you see the red,
>> that's the wildfire risk in Alpine. So,
[45:44] Alpine C currently sits at I want to say
98
[45:49] point something percent of cities in
this country when it comes to wildfire
[45:55] risk. Meaning 98% of this country has
less wildfire risk than Alpine.
[46:00] So what that red is is is wildfire risk.
Alpine has is a beautiful city that has
[46:09] a lot of open space. It has a lot of
contiguous places for fire to travel,
[46:14] which is how we outline urban interface.
if a fire can move from one home to
[46:18] another or from this part of the forest
to that part of the forest. And really
[46:23] urban interface is going to be one home
to another. So one house house catches
[46:27] on fire, it has the ability to travel
via trees, shrubs,
[46:33] those types of things. That's really how
we define urban interface.
[46:37] H
>> how come the north is white?
[46:41] » Those are the granit.
>> Oh, okay.
[46:44] » They don't burn. There's just no Yeah,
the rock.
[46:47] » We don't find out.
>> Can you go down to the next one? Um, and
[46:52] I was curious about
the blue here. What What makes it more
[46:58] very low? What are those places? Because
because I can't interface this with like
[47:03] Google Earth, but you you probably know
these by the like at the back of your
[47:07] hand.
>> Um, maybe not. So, where the mouse is
[47:11] down on the bottom right there, that's
Alpine.
[47:14] Okay,
>> so back to our white. If we scrolled up
[47:18] and we look at that same line, the white
up there on top where we've got the
[47:23] little looks kind of like a mountain
range and we go down to the next one.
[47:28] So, back to the granit, very low risk of
burning the granates.
[47:32] » Okay.
>> So, then down here in the there, if you
[47:35] go if you go where the mouse is, that
that's our city.
[47:38] » There's like our our our canyons and
stuff. Yes.
[47:42] » I see. Okay. And I would assume that
that lower right is going to be the top
[47:47] attemp. So back to rock,
>> right? Okay. Thank you for helping me
[47:52] interpret these. I was not following
this very well to be honest. Let's keep
[47:56] going down the next one. Let's see if
there's anything that stands out worth
[48:00] that's noteworthy. So knowing we're down
here in this lower corner. This is the
[48:04] wild. This is the lone peak. So this
includes Highland Highland and Alpine.
[48:08] Is that correct?
>> Yes.
[48:11] » Okay.
All right.
[48:15] » So, where you see that yellow line where
you know you kind of have the white
[48:18] there, that that line that wraps around
is going to be your, you know, where
[48:23] your exposure score starts.
>> So, in a future meeting, we will be
[48:28] presenting a
with uh House Bill 48 or 41, whichever
[48:33] one mandated the new maps.
>> Okay.
[48:36] » We will we will have we need to approve
a five or greater. So essentially, we're
[48:42] going to draw a line through Alpine that
says everything on this side of the
[48:45] line's five or higher. Everything on the
side on the inside of that line's going
[48:50] to be five or lower or four or lower.
>> But it could be internal like it could
[48:55] be polka dot like because we have such
internal open areas.
[48:59] » No.
>> No.
[49:00] » The state did not build it that way.
Basically what the state did is they
[49:04] came off of the mountains and then they
brought brought it down.
[49:08] » Okay. I don't exactly know how they did
it.
[49:11] » How far they came in, but they came in.
>> So, okay,
[49:15] » rather than poke it out, it really is
just kind of an outside line,
[49:19] » which makes the CWP and some of this
stuff even more important so that we can
[49:25] articulate, hey, while we may not be in
your high-risk zone,
[49:31] » this is an identifiable high-risisk zone
that we need some help with.
[49:36] Okay, let's just look at the last one. I
don't remember if I had a question. Just
[49:41] that I needed a little bit of lay man's
interpretation. Anything here?
[49:45] Suppression difficulty index. Is that
because of the steepness of the slopes?
[49:49] It's
>> inaccessible roads, that type of thing.
[49:51] » Yeah. No roads, right?
>> Steepness. So everything on on your east
[49:55] side and even on your,
>> you know, up to the granite, that's
[49:58] going to be really hard for us for us to
suppress and and really anybody for that
[50:04] matter. Okay, thank you. That was very
helpful.
[50:07] » And I just want to clarify. Sorry,
Chief. Alpine's actually up here now.
[50:10] I'm remembering the wildlife urban ever
face map. We're not down here. We're
[50:14] We're like right here.
>> Yeah, that's the corner.
[50:16] » So, we're in the yellow.
>> Yeah.
[50:18] » Yeah. You got a bunch. You got a lot of
your yellow.
[50:21] » Moderate exposure. 30 three out of
eight. Four out of eight.
[50:25] » So, you can get on the It's called the
URAP, which is essentially if you just
[50:29] kind of Google Utah wildfire, it'll put
you on the URAP portal. You can go into
[50:35] the URAP portal and you can put in an
address. You can pull up the whole city
[50:39] and it will give you your exposure score
per property.
[50:43] » Yeah.
>> One of the other things because um I I
[50:47] re recently was learning more about
water. There was one in here about our
[50:51] watershed.
>> So um is that how is how does that
[50:55] relate is if there was a fire it would
ruin all our water or like how does that
[50:58] interface?
>> Okay. essentially. So when we look at
[51:02] like American Fork Canyon, you know, Dry
Creek, any of these places where all of
[51:06] the water and not just our water,
>> a lot of water in the north part of this
[51:11] county,
>> um that all of the a potential, you
[51:16] know, if if we had a fire, you look at
what happened with Beaver with their
[51:19] fire when the flooding came down and
that kind of stuff. We have something
[51:22] similar, a fire that goes through
American Fork Canyon, we have similar
[51:26] type of vents. We may not be able to get
PI water. You know, a lot of our PI
[51:32] water comes out the stuff we're not
pumping comes out of American Fork
[51:35] Canyon and maybe not Alpine, but
Highland for sure. Um, but all of your
[51:41] groundwater, you put that kind of,
you know, contaminants and fire and
[51:46] stuff into your groundwater. Um, we we
have a a big potential for
[51:53] water contamination as well as, you
know, one of the things that we saw with
[51:57] the quail fire was was flooding, right?
The mudslides and and those types of
[52:03] things.
>> Okay. Now that I'm still getting my
[52:05] bearings here on this map, why are you
saying that we as a fire district and I
[52:10] serve on that board, we cover way up
into the mountains? Like that's your
[52:14] resp like our like that's us. We cover
125 square miles. We cover clear to the
[52:20] Salt Lake border. So basically, and it's
not right up the Highland Boulevard, but
[52:27] it's in around Draper now where Draper
owns essentially to the Salt Lake County
[52:31] border.
>> Clear up to the corner where we meet
[52:33] Wasach. And then down Wasach, we come
around the face of Temp.
[52:37] » We cover a large portion of Mahogany.
And
[52:41] » so what you're telling me it's much
larger than our city boundary. Correct.
[52:45] » Yeah. The combined city, I believe, is
25 square miles. So, we cover
[52:52] » Well, Alpine is only eight, but with
Highland, we're probably
[52:57] » in that neighborhood.
>> 25. Yeah.
[53:00] » So, this square portion on the bottom is
that American Fort Canyon.
[53:03] » That is our that is our coverage area.
So, American Fort Canyon's actually in
[53:08] come down just a little bit. Right about
there is where American Fort
[53:11] [clears throat] Canyon is. And then
you've got mahogany going up and then
[53:14] the face of temp. And
>> I see. So that's why it's all dark
[53:17] because lots of vegetation. Okay. I'm
learning to read your maps. Thank you.
[53:21] » Not my maps. That's tutorial. Wait, why
does it go down so far south? Are you
[53:26] guys still including Cedar Hills or is
that
[53:29] » we still cover from the agreement with
whatever agreement was it made? We still
[53:34] cover that part of the mountains. So we
cover clear down to the Cedar Hills city
[53:39] border on the face of
>> the mountains. Okay.
[53:42] » Interesting.
>> These aren't our maps. These are also
[53:44] state maps. So, you can pull all of
these maps off that URAP site.
[53:49] » Okay.
>> But I won't have you to tell me what
[53:51] they mean. So, I'm really glad you went
through it.
[53:52] » Call me anytime.
>> Thank you.
[53:54] » A little darn work.
>> Andrew, do you mind if you could talk to
[53:58] um Draper Fire Department and see who
they use to write their grants and maybe
[54:03] get direction from them?
>> Sure. So, if we could move forward on
[54:06] that because my understanding was that
we try to go for those mitigation grants
[54:10] and we didn't get it because our CWPP
wasn't um
[54:15] » robust enough
>> robust enough for a lack of better and
[54:18] then that's why we went through this
process. We got a grant to do the CWPP,
[54:22] hired um outside consultants, they came
in um
[54:26] » this has been an 18month process.
>> Yeah, it's been a long long process.
[54:29] They finally have it together. So, for
me the next step would be to go after
[54:32] those grants.
Yeah.
[54:35] » Thank you, Chief.
>> Just need a grant writer. I didn't ask
[54:39] » Draper and see who they use for their
grant writing because you want somebody
[54:43] you want somebody who knows what they're
doing. And grant writing is very
[54:46] specific to each specialty, whether it's
fire, playground equipment, roads,
[54:50] whatever it may be. Everybody has their
things that um they know. So, if you
[54:54] could talk to them and kind of get a
lead
[54:56] » and then we can move from there. Thank
you. Mayor Merrill, do you mind if I ask
[55:00] a follow-up question to one of before
Andrew goes? Thank you, Andrew. Um, just
[55:05] with regards to watershed, is there
anything that we can or should be doing
[55:10] now to help protect our wershed in case
of a fire? Is there anything we can do
[55:15] to prevent that? Besides just preventing
>> our best I think our best bet is to try
[55:18] to prevent the fire.
>> Okay.
[55:21] » So, I don't I don't know. I mean,
>> yeah. I don't I don't know what we would
[55:25] do.
>> More water. Maybe if there's less water
[55:29] to contaminate. I don't know. I'm just
kidding. They're in California. They're
[55:33] doing the big
>> Thank you, Chief. Appreciate it.
[55:34] » Well, hold on. I got one from the
They're doing the big storage tanks at
[55:38] people's homes
>> because that that is helpful to have it
[55:42] dispersed. So, anyways, it's a double
one for So, I learned that uh the the
[55:47] window for doing the mitigation is not
in the winter. I thought it was in the
[55:51] dead in the winter. It's from October to
Novemberish, September, October. So,
[55:56] we're actually arriving in our perfect
window. That was the only reason I
[55:59] submitted that project is because our
windows open. Thanks for doing it with
[56:02] me, Brent. Um, so if you have projects
that you would like us to do or you
[56:09] think could be urgent, we'd love to do
it or I I should say I would love to do
[56:13] it uh before the winter because if we
can do it this fall, then by spring and
[56:19] summer when we h if we have another year
like this, we'll just be we'll be a lot
[56:24] more ready for it. So, I don't know what
process you want to go through on that.
[56:27] However you want to do it, we'll follow
your lead. But I'll just submit ideas.
[56:31] But if you have one you want, let us
know. And we have the budget allotted
[56:34] that we put for this budget. Uh we can
also start with that. Uh am I under the
[56:39] » We might want to use it for a grant
writer.
[56:41] » Sure. Or grant writing. Grant. Am I
under the understanding that that budget
[56:44] is just by us submitting to utilize
those funds? Is that the process?
[56:49] » There there are funds allocated in the
budget for
[56:52] » mitigation work. Yeah.
>> Right. Okay. So, do we submit for a
[56:55] grant writer or submit for a project or
an emergency or whatever he says would
[56:59] be best? Is that fair for everyone? Is
that
[57:01] » that's a discussion that we need to
have. Yeah. How to
[57:04] » I mean obviously we would want the input
from the fire chief. He would be he's a
[57:09] subject matter expert. So, we will lean
on his expertise.
[57:11] » You got to have the chief.
>> Okay.
[57:13] » Okay. Well, if you have a process, let
us know because currently we're a little
[57:15] bit
>> we're we're it's ambiguous and we're in
[57:18] the dark as to what the process is to do
fire mitigation. So, let us know what it
[57:22] is.
Thank you.
[57:25] Okay, let's move on to um citizens water
committee report. We have Mr. Steven
[57:31] Burroughs who has championed um
conservation for our city and has done
[57:36] so much work. I've asked him to come and
give a report um just to keep everyone
[57:41] updated especially the work that you did
during alpine days.
[57:44] » We'll do so. Thank you for your time.
We're [clears throat] twothirds of the
[57:48] way into the water year right now and a
lot has happened. We especially
[57:53] appreciate the city staff, Heidi and
Shelley and Carolyn and Don and Deian
[57:59] for the cooperation. Clyde uh Staer and
I, we come every Monday for two hours
[58:06] and we partner with them and making
calls to those who have leaks. We
[58:10] consider what uh can be done to help uh
increase the uh uptake of our app and
[58:18] consider for a long term what we could
be doing. So let me give you some
[58:21] statistics that will help you understand
where we are and a sense of where we
[58:25] think we should be going forward. So our
goal this year was to when compared to
[58:32] last year decrease total utilization by
25%.
[58:36] That's a lofty goal. Okay. Uh that sort
of goal will need to continue into next
[58:42] year. So far during that twothirds of
the water year through uh August 15th,
[58:50] our total water use is down uh about 11%
and a little over 11% is PI only. So
[58:59] yes, we do have places where outdoor
water is used culinary, but we're down
[59:06] and I think once over 10, that's good.
We're moving fast and hard to the rest.
[59:12] The first few months have been a focus
on education. Education around two
[59:17] things. One is the ordinances around
restrictions and the guidelines around
[59:21] using and then conservation. Uh we this
is an experiment in how much can we get
[59:29] in way of results with conservation
education and restriction education. The
[59:35] answer is it helps. It's one of the many
levers you pull to ultimately get to the
[59:41] point that the use of water doesn't
exceed the supply of water. And as you
[59:47] read about what the Colorado uh river
plans are, it's all about not about what
[59:54] the state's demand or need. It's all
about the supply. And as we move
[59:59] forward, we're going to recommend some
ways to understand what our supply is as
[1:00:05] we enter next water season so we can
adjust if needs be education,
[1:00:11] restrictions, enforcement, etc. so that
we don't exceed the supply. Hopefully
[1:00:18] with a good uh snow pack, the supply
will be higher and it won't affect those
[1:00:23] things that we're accustomed to. Uh a
couple things we're we're doing. Let me
[1:00:28] just talk about Ion water first. Ion
water is an app that's made available
[1:00:33] free from the city. Um about 44% of of
property owners have it. It grow it's
[1:00:40] going gradually in the 1 of June 41% of
the city users had it. Um unfortunately
[1:00:48] only 39% of those who have leaks have
it. The challenge is have it and use it.
[1:00:56] So, a fun story that Carla's very much
aware of, uh, Clyde and I are retired,
[1:01:02] so we choose fun projects and we saw
with Heidi's help Alpine Days. Who would
[1:01:08] not want to be at Alpine Days? And we
got a free t-shirt. So, that made the
[1:01:13] difference. So, from 10:00 until 8:00 on
Friday and on Saturday from 10 until 6,
[1:01:20] he and I manned a booth right next to uh
the city booth. Now Clyde and I are
[1:01:26] business development people. So it's one
of those we're proceliting basically.
[1:01:31] And Clyde knows everybody. So anyone
that he knows, even about 15 yards away,
[1:01:36] if he called their name, they'd come
over. Long story short, half we we
[1:01:42] talked to a hundred people about 50 of
them chose to stay long enough with us
[1:01:47] to pull out their iPhones and do the
steps. There's only a few steps to
[1:01:52] actually download the ion water. Okay. A
major part of that is make sure they
[1:01:58] allow push notification. So if there's a
leak, they would know. The other half
[1:02:03] were I've got it, but I don't know how
to use it or as a partner may say,
[1:02:08] "Honey, you deleted it." So we
reinstalled it. The whole idea is raise
[1:02:14] the consciousness level of what we can
do personally to manage water. The next
[1:02:20] project that we've been working on, uh,
like I said, since June, we've been
[1:02:23] making those calls. We're finding
there's got to be a more productive way
[1:02:27] to reduce what we call leaks. Leaks in
our definition are is a continuous flow
[1:02:33] of water for 24 or more hours. Think of
that. We think of a broken pipe. We
[1:02:40] think of a valve that's malfunctioning.
There's also the possibility that
[1:02:44] consciously or subconsciously I I allow
my watering to go 24 hours or more. So
[1:02:51] we right now no one should be watering
24 hours or more. Okay. So we during the
[1:02:58] next couple months and with the help
especially of of Don and Shelley we're
[1:03:02] we're doing two things. We're
identifying those who and there's 608 of
[1:03:07] the there's about 12% of all the meters
out there that there is a leak as per
[1:03:12] that definition. Okay. Half of that is
10 gallons or more an hour. All right.
[1:03:20] So about a third of that uh 608 have a
problem. Okay. So you take 10 x 24* 7*
[1:03:29] 30 it adds up fast. Okay. um some and so
our goal is that our goal is a couple
[1:03:36] fold. One is we'd like that number of
608 to be less than 500 by the time the
[1:03:42] the water uh year ends. And we'd like as
many people as possible, especially for
[1:03:48] PI to be notified and take action to
repair after October 15th. You repair
[1:03:55] something, you don't know if it's
repaired until April 15th next year.
[1:04:00] Second of all, we have a goal of over uh
five over 50% of all water users having
[1:04:07] ion water. And so there's a we're we're
like I said very closely with the sea
[1:04:11] staff and combining efforts and ideas to
decree increase the number of
[1:04:17] applications through of ion water and
decrease the number of accounts that
[1:04:21] have leaks going forward. That's what
we're doing the next couple of months.
[1:04:26] The priority that hopefully this will go
work right into the next uh agenda item
[1:04:31] is to support a couple things. One is to
support the identification and funding
[1:04:37] of those deficiency projects that
support water both PI and culinary and
[1:04:43] second of all is to figure out processes
that will help the enforcement.
[1:04:50] We're we're working with uh Clyde as a
tech guru and Heidi to automate where
[1:04:58] possible the notification to of those
608 accounts who have a leak. And then
[1:05:05] for right now, every week the major
segments, the city uh for business and
[1:05:11] parks, the schools, the the um churches
and the a users, they get a report uh
[1:05:18] from that that leak report of who has a
leak. And then we follow up every week
[1:05:25] and we're finding that action is being
taken. It's a personal s source of pride
[1:05:30] to say this week is less than last week.
But to give you a sense, uh, most
[1:05:36] recently 28 million gallons were in some
way leaked. So our goal is to reduce
[1:05:42] that number of accounts with leaks to
under uh, five 500.
[1:05:46] » Did you say this week or this season?
>> The this, as of the most recent leak
[1:05:52] report, and some of these leaks have
been going on for a long time, there's
[1:05:57] 28 million. Okay. Um, so the goal the
goal is Go ahead.
[1:06:02] » I mean, It's a huge number, but there's
always going to be leaks in the system.
[1:06:06] Any given city is just part of it. You
do like a percentage of your total water
[1:06:10] usage. But what these gentlemen have
been doing is it's a huge thing. Right.
[1:06:14] There was because some of these people
have had leaks since we turned PI on and
[1:06:18] they were not aware of it at all.
>> That's right. We have all sprinklers and
[1:06:23] property owners. Yeah. So Clyde and I
have all sorts of fun stories of people
[1:06:26] picking up the phone and first of all
denying that they have a leak and then
[1:06:30] we talk through is is a hot tub, is a
swimming pool, is there a faucet in the
[1:06:36] backyard that a grandson may have? And
then they check it out and it's like
[1:06:40] thank you, you know, and uh very few
have been um recalcitant towards it.
[1:06:47] most of them have tried to figure out
what the leak is and they and we help
[1:06:52] them figure out maybe try it a different
way. So we feel pleased with what has
[1:06:57] happened. Uh 11% reduction is good.
We're working towards having a at least
[1:07:02] a 12 and a half% reduction by the end of
the year. There's mitigating factors and
[1:07:07] I would just end with to get to where we
need to to make sure demand doesn't
[1:07:12] exceed supply there's multiple levers.
It's the education. It's the
[1:07:17] restrictions. It's our rating system.
It's uh it's it's doing what's needed to
[1:07:23] make the system efficient. It's
enforcement. All those things are going
[1:07:27] to have to be pulled to eventually get
to that point we don't exceed supply.
[1:07:32] Thank you.
>> Thank you so much. Appreciate all your
[1:07:35] work. Honestly,
[1:07:39] [clears throat]
>> I
[1:07:39] » One of the highlights, Mayor, was they
almost got rained out one day at Alpine.
[1:07:43] » I know. No. Friday. No, I was um able to
sit down with them for much of Friday
[1:07:48] and Saturday and see them in action and
they were amazing.
[1:07:53] » So, this is a follow-up question. Are we
calling on culinary leaks or only PI?
[1:07:59] » Both. Okay.
>> The six the 608 is for both or is that
[1:08:03] just PI?
>> Both. All together. All the leaks
[1:08:07] together. And so, yeah, all we get is
whether they have a leak or not. And
[1:08:10] then we, you know, and then when they do
the eye on water, it should tell them,
[1:08:14] it tells them what the leak is. And then
you can go into the app and it depends
[1:08:18] on
there's a setting um on how big the pipe
[1:08:22] sizes that tells you whether it's
culinary or PI. The larger pipe size is
[1:08:27] for PI, the smaller pipe size is for
indoor. Indoor is usually leaky toilets.
[1:08:33] um outdoors either PI or as we
discovered it's um hot tubs that
[1:08:38] automatically recycle and autofill and
there was a leak in the hot tub and it
[1:08:43] just kept filling it and they had no
idea.
[1:08:47] » I I'm a success story too but we'll tell
that success story offline.
[1:08:51] » I'll come tell you my experience with
ion water and my leakage report that
[1:08:54] came to my email.
>> Yes. Okay, let's move on to action
[1:08:59] items. No,
we've got um the sales tax bond for the
[1:09:05] fire station.
Um do we need to do anything else or
[1:09:08] should I just go ahead and open the
public hearing? Do you have a
[1:09:11] » just explain this is a public hearing is
required. It's it's been scheduled. It's
[1:09:16] been advertised. It's one of the steps
in the process. Um this will kind of
[1:09:21] round out the public meeting
requirements for the bond. Uh we do have
[1:09:26] Mark Anderson online. If anyone has any
uh questions for him, I'm sure he'd be
[1:09:32] happy to answer those. Um the
uh requests for bids have been sent out.
[1:09:39] Um they're coming due
uh couple days, the 27th and then the
[1:09:47] first part of um September everything
can be closed out.
[1:09:52] » Okay.
>> Okay. I will um open the public hearing
[1:09:57] for the sales tax bond for the fire
station. So, at this point, the public
[1:10:02] is welcome to come up and speak about um
the sales tax bond. Um you will have
[1:10:09] three minutes to make a statement.
The floor is open.
[1:10:23] Okay. As no one has come forward, I'm
going to close the public hearing
[1:10:30] and then we'll move. Okay. Item B. Um,
so sir, when they do you want to explain
[1:10:36] with the brick why?
>> Yeah. So, uh, we meet every Thursday,
[1:10:40] just a progress meeting on the fire
station. Um, last Thursday we met and
[1:10:45] they said, "Hey, we we got to have this
brick on whatever approval process you
[1:10:49] have, uh, we need to do it ASAP." They
were estimating based on what they had
[1:10:55] been told by some of these brick
companies 12 to 16 week delivery times
[1:11:00] and to hit their marks it had to be
right now. So as they were I said I need
[1:11:05] actual samples not just pictures of what
the brick color would be or whatever.
[1:11:10] Um, so they were gathering those up and
as they were working on that end of it,
[1:11:17] the times they were given were more
favorable and they said, "We're we're
[1:11:22] still gathering samples. We're fine to
wait two more weeks." And so that's
[1:11:27] that's why it's um just needs to be put
off for a couple weeks. So we will have
[1:11:32] actual samples. We'll try to have them,
you know, maybe shoot for like the
[1:11:37] Friday before the meeting. So if you
want to come in city hall and look at
[1:11:40] them earlier, you can do that. But
>> is the timeline so favorable? We may
[1:11:46] still be able to use real brick because
>> Yeah.
[1:11:50] » Okay.
>> Yeah.
[1:11:51] » They thought they had to get it in, but
when they asked for the samples, they
[1:11:55] realized that the lead time wasn't quite
as long as they were originally told. So
[1:11:59] that's why they're
>> they're the seller is trying to
[1:12:01] underpromise and overd deliver.
>> Probably.
[1:12:05] » Okay, let's move on to item C.
Approval of the sculpture garden plan.
[1:12:13] » Okay. So, um
>> there no motion needed on either of the
[1:12:16] last two.
>> No,
[1:12:17] » no motion needed. Okay.
>> The public hearing is just kind of like
[1:12:20] a public comment period and then B was
is removed from the agenda.
[1:12:28] » Okay. the um Heritage Arch Arts
Foundation have been working hard to uh
[1:12:35] prepare planning, irrigation, and
lighting plants u to be uh put for the
[1:12:41] city council for approval. Um they've
been coming in and either coming in or
[1:12:46] checking in with us weekly. Um we work
through a few things. Uh there's still a
[1:12:53] a few outstanding items after tonight um
that are being worked on, but those will
[1:12:58] be brought back later.
Um
[1:13:01] so
these plans are
[1:13:07] there will be some changes. Um for
example, there's a closet door out here
[1:13:11] and it shows a tree planted in front of
it. There's going to be some little
[1:13:14] things like that.
Um but uh Bob has a presentation. He'll
[1:13:20] he'll go through some things with you
tonight and uh hopefully answer any
[1:13:25] questions that you have um to work
towards moving uh this project forward.
[1:13:32] You
[1:13:35] » Thank you.
We have some fun
[1:13:40] » sorry this Yeah, we do have some fun
updates to share with you. Um so if we
[1:13:46] go to slide two just real quick. Um
we've uh we've met with two households
[1:13:54] and we're at about 56% of campaign goal
that's pending right now. Two
[1:13:59] households. Um
we're confident that things are going to
[1:14:05] go in the right direction. Um
so uh yeah um
[1:14:11] if we go to the next slide this uh this
was a question that was raised about
[1:14:16] just the relative roof heights um and
the garden pavilion the gazebo um
[1:14:24] element um right now uh stands about 20
feet 2 in um we're still going to be
[1:14:32] getting some specs on that from a
builder and and some others that are
[1:14:36] doing engineering um architectural
drawings. Uh but it's going to be close
[1:14:41] to that range. Um and there were
questions about how high it was and whe
[1:14:46] whether or not it would um um kind of be
dominant in the area. So wanted to make
[1:14:54] sure that that was understood. Um the
next slide talks about um the safety for
[1:15:02] the stained glass. Um, so I was able to
get some great feedback from Tom
[1:15:08] Holdman, his team. Uh, they've been
installing stained glass and uh, 200
[1:15:14] temples. They've got another hundred
that they're working on. Um, they just
[1:15:18] installed in some islands. Uh, is
designed to withstand hurricane force
[1:15:22] winds. Uh, 2x4s going 80 miles an hour.
Um, and it protect it's protected. So,
[1:15:29] um, those those will be, uh, there for a
good long time. Now, that doesn't mean
[1:15:34] they're indestructible, right? Somebody
who's bound and determined to wreck them
[1:15:38] can do that, but uh, we're taking that
into account also. And so, um, let's go
[1:15:45] to the next slide. Um, it's a familiar
face.
[1:15:52] [laughter]
[1:15:54] » Yeah. Um, so one of the families that we
met with uh
[1:16:00] just suggested, you know, there's
there's somebody that's been around the
[1:16:03] block a few times, understands,
you know, some sprinklers and and some
[1:16:08] things doesn't need to take the role of
Emily who's been a part of this for so
[1:16:14] long, right? But um could be um
instrumental in helping kind of some
[1:16:19] boots on the ground kind of approach.
So, uh, you know, I it's important to
[1:16:24] say that, uh, this is a volunteer role.
Um, huge, uh, thank you to him, right?
[1:16:32] Um, but it's also part-time. He does
have other work to do, um, during the
[1:16:37] day. And um so the ideas he would report
to Emily and um Heritage Arts
[1:16:43] Foundation, one of the things that he
shared with me that I loved um our first
[1:16:48] meeting, he said, "Bob, um if I think
something is bad for Alpine, I'm going
[1:16:53] to say it." And you know, this whole uh
project for the last two years, it's
[1:17:00] something that we've said and we stand
by it. We want to make sure that this is
[1:17:04] a gift that comes to you with no
regrets. So, um, we love that about, uh,
[1:17:09] what he said. So, uh, the role does not
revise designs, um, direct change
[1:17:16] orders, approve costs, or replace
licensed professionals unless we
[1:17:20] desperately need him, right? Somehow,
right? Um, so the next slide, um, this
[1:17:27] is the part that, uh, we're pushing off.
Um, I don't know if you recall way back
[1:17:32] when when we originally put together the
letter of uh, intent, there was a one
[1:17:38] pager that had to do with um, donor
gifts and recognition and it only
[1:17:43] focused on the statues. Um, and that now
is insufficient. And so I'm I'm
[1:17:52] recommending that it be brought up uh,
next month um, and be presented here. um
[1:17:58] it's the last thing that really kind of
remains. Um but uh you know because of
[1:18:03] that change if we go to the next slide
I'll just share with you um this is a
[1:18:09] quick one-page glimpse of the major
features. These are kind of four main
[1:18:15] buckets that donor gift opportunities
fall into. Um significant elements
[1:18:21] hardscape landscape individual elements
and then endowment. And I do want to
[1:18:27] just go to the next slide real quick uh
because this is a slide of great
[1:18:32] interest, right? Um this is an example
of some donor opportunities that all
[1:18:38] relate to the maintenance ongoing
support of the garden. All right. Um and
[1:18:45] we're refining these. Uh the numbers are
still in in kind of a a process, but uh
[1:18:52] if there were no changes um to this,
we're pursuing funding that would be
[1:18:58] somewhere around 169,000 per year
um perpetually
[1:19:04] endowed and that would come to the city
every year to take care of this. It
[1:19:09] could be a person, it could be product,
it could be all kinds of things. So, um
[1:19:14] I this is an example of why we felt
having this discussion next month would
[1:19:20] be helpful. So,
so um I'll turn the time over to Emily
[1:19:25] to provide update on the three plans.
[1:19:32] » So, um you should have a planting plan
and an irrigation plan and a lighting
[1:19:37] plan. um spent a lot of time thinking
through making sure especially in a
[1:19:42] drought year that we're not we're using
water wise plants. We have water wise
[1:19:46] plants that um will frame the pavilion.
We also have this the water feature
[1:19:50] that's come since we've last um spoken
to and then making sure that we also
[1:19:56] have something that is giving year round
interest in the garden that is also
[1:20:00] maintainable like that we don't have so
many things going on that it's not
[1:20:05] maintainable you know just that and it's
visually pleasing to the eye. Um making
[1:20:11] sure that we have drip line in place. We
know that you are an example to the city
[1:20:15] as well. Um but we um
And then for the lighting, we like to do
[1:20:21] more historical lighting. We've looked
into solar, but solar seems to take and
[1:20:25] not take from my experience um of trying
to do solar. Um sometimes it goes and
[1:20:31] sometimes it doesn't. So I feel like
doing electric is um a better solution.
[1:20:36] So
have anything you any questions?
[1:20:43] » Brent, do you have any questions?
>> Just in general questions. Um, I did
[1:20:48] look up all the plants and I appreciate
that they are all drought resistant. I
[1:20:52] was I didn't look up to see if they are
native to Utah, but I'm assuming maybe
[1:20:56] one or two are, but I don't know if you
know that off the top of your head.
[1:21:00] » Well, there are there are some that are,
and there's some that, you know,
[1:21:03] obviously the poppies are native to
here. Um, but there are some that are
[1:21:07] and some that aren't,
>> but a lot of them are.
[1:21:11] » Nice.
>> We did request from the city and found
[1:21:14] on the website um an approved set of
that the city puts out and that became
[1:21:20] the basis for this but then we had to
expand because that list was kind of for
[1:21:26] sidewalks I guess
>> park strips. Yeah.
[1:21:29] » Yeah.
>> And then I did want to just bring up
[1:21:32] those three trees again. I know that
that was brought up last time and I was
[1:21:37] curious what your thoughts are because I
feel like if we're being wise stewards,
[1:21:41] why would we cut down
perfectly great trees to replace them
[1:21:46] with less mature trees? So, I don't know
if you have thoughts on that. Well, I'm
[1:21:50] hoping that we can keep we obviously in
the plan I have to keep um the trees on
[1:21:55] the east side of the building, but in
order to create an environment that
[1:21:59] feels connected,
having something in the middle of
[1:22:03] something that is more formal,
especially with the formal building that
[1:22:07] we have, this this building itself is a
formal building. Um, having that formal
[1:22:12] design is a lot more appealing to the
eye than having a tree that's just
[1:22:17] shooting up in the middle of a design if
that makes sense.
[1:22:20] » No, that makes sense. I just feel I just
it's sad to me that we would cut down
[1:22:24] those
>> How old are those trees, Shane? Do you
[1:22:27] know?
>> Approximately 30 years.
[1:22:32] » Um, that was just one of my concerns um
there. And then you mentioned that it
[1:22:36] would be $169,000
per year to take care of the garden. Did
[1:22:40] I understand that correctly?
>> No. Okay.
[1:22:43] » No. So [laughter]
I was like, "Wow, that's a lot. I can
[1:22:47] come and weed it for free."
>> So that represents the total of gift
[1:22:52] opportunities at at the present time.
Okay.
[1:22:55] » That we have yet to really kind of
finalize and put together and present to
[1:22:59] you next month.
>> Okay. Okay, that makes sense. Um, and
[1:23:03] you mentioned the safety protecting the
glass. I know that other people have had
[1:23:06] a concern about the sculptures. I don't
know if you have any thoughts on that.
[1:23:11] » They'll withstand hurricanes also. Um,
no. And in, you know, lots of experience
[1:23:17] with the um the Adonis bronze, anchoring
those in incredible ways. Um, all of
[1:23:23] that will be part of the gift that comes
from the private sector. So, it's the
[1:23:28] it's the sculptures, it's the pedestal,
it's the installation, everything that
[1:23:31] kind of goes with it. They go they go
deep enough into the ground past that
[1:23:35] frost point and everything. So, they're
they're they're solid.
[1:23:38] » Have you have you seen those?
>> Yes, I have. I just some other people
[1:23:42] had had concerns, so I thought I would
just
[1:23:44] » So, we have we have sculptures already
at at the Alpine Art Center. Have you
[1:23:47] ever had any issues with vandalism
there? And I know they're all throughout
[1:23:51] Utah.
>> People climb on.
[1:23:53] » People can do it, but I don't think it's
going to be a draw.
[1:23:55] » Yeah. the the the the scariest part that
we have that we've talked about just a
[1:24:00] little bit with Shane was, you know,
that we were afraid that we're setting
[1:24:04] up a buffet for deer.
>> Um, and so
[1:24:08] » dear love this block for some reason.
>> So there there may be an additional
[1:24:13] giving opportunity that is put on our
list that has to do with the fence.
[1:24:18] » So just just a heads up, but we'll bring
that back to you if that's the case.
[1:24:21] Right. And then timeline wise, I know at
one point the discussion was October. We
[1:24:27] were going to, but now, as far as I
understand, we're going to wait till
[1:24:30] maybe the spring and once we have a
percentage of the money committed. Is
[1:24:34] that correct?
>> Yes. Um, and so the next slide. Um,
[1:24:38] where is it? It's just past that.
>> I did have questions about the garden.
[1:24:42] If you
>> Oh, sorry. Were we just talking about
[1:24:44] the garden? I apologize. You can the
timeline.
[1:24:47] » Okay. Um, I I bringing up the deer. I
know I have a list that I utilize for
[1:24:53] deer resistant and I know you're
familiar because you do great work here
[1:24:57] in Utah all the time. Are is there a
general trend towards using deer
[1:25:00] resistant like boxwoods and junipers?
They don't eat.
[1:25:03] » Yeah, they will not eat those. And um
the only thing I put in the garden that
[1:25:08] the deer would eat. There are just a few
roses to complement the red in the in
[1:25:14] our in the rotunda because we need that
red color. Um but that is the only thing
[1:25:19] in there. There's the peonies they won't
eat. Everything else they're not
[1:25:22] touching.
>> Perfect.
[1:25:23] » As far as Well, they might eat it. I
have to say that because I'm not a deer.
[1:25:27] But I just It's really weird because
I've actually planted a lot on your
[1:25:30] hillside and the deer have eaten some
things they don't normally eat on one
[1:25:34] side of the hill and not on the other.
So, it I can say that they I don't know
[1:25:38] if they will or they won't, but they're
not supposed to. Let's just say that.
[1:25:42] » The the operative word is resistant
because nothing is deerroof. Exactly.
[1:25:46] Right.
>> Not even offense. Okay. Um, the other
[1:25:50] thing was that caught my eye cuz I um I
went to Europe and I discovered that I'm
[1:25:56] an English gardener, meaning I let
nature take the lead, but my husband is
[1:26:01] a French gardener, so everything is
squared off and like and so if you go
[1:26:05] back to this slide, the um maintainable
edges, can you speak to me about what
[1:26:10] does that mean to you as far as
maintenance goes? Maintainable edges.
[1:26:15] » Yes. So, we do have some hedges in here.
Also, a very clean I feel like when you
[1:26:19] have something that's done one time,
it's one and done rather than having to
[1:26:23] go back over and over and over. When you
have plants that are coming up all over
[1:26:27] a perennial, which would be more English
to be honest, I know because the English
[1:26:30] is maintenance. Let's talk about it as
that in those words. It's a maintenance
[1:26:33] thing. You have a lot more maintenance
that goes into an English garden than
[1:26:36] you do a French garden just because of
how many plants they usually use that
[1:26:41] are diverse,
>> right? So maintainable edges, is that
[1:26:45] including like even um the turf edges or
are you talking about specifically like
[1:26:51] the hedges? Like what what does that
mean to you? Like edges, maintainable
[1:26:55] hedges.
>> So um for instance, I really try to to
[1:27:00] um plant the garden beds so that there
are a lot of the same things planted in
[1:27:04] the same area.
>> Okay.
[1:27:06] » So let's say hydrangeas, the d the
droughtresistant hydrangeas. um planting
[1:27:13] masses of them in one area so they can
be cut back at one time. They can be
[1:27:17] hedged back. That's a maintainable edge
to me in that way.
[1:27:19] » Okay.
>> Does that make sense?
[1:27:21] » Yes. Yes. I just want to make sure that
I was connecting the dots because
[1:27:26] trimming is a big discussion item in our
home. So,
[1:27:29] » just want to make sure it's easy because
those that love straight lines, it needs
[1:27:32] to be easy. And I planted all the wrong
things for the French gardener. I really
[1:27:36] did. So, I've learned now. But just
especially also around the rotunda area
[1:27:42] making sure that it's complimementaryary
when you're walking all the way around
[1:27:44] it you're seeing similar things yet okay
there's different sculptures so there's
[1:27:48] different thing different ways to have
those same items
[1:27:51] » display okay that is good to know
because um there is concern that our our
[1:27:57] staff what is their what is their
commitment to maintain the garden and so
[1:28:01] that's I told them that we've we've
talked about this from the very
[1:28:04] beginning so want to make sure we
brought that up in the public meeting
[1:28:07] and So we can get the word out to the
staff that they're not going to like
[1:28:11] just be trimming and weeding and like
live live in our little sculpture garden
[1:28:15] because we've made it easy to care for.
>> Yeah.
[1:28:18] » You know, I I know that there is in the
works um a historic committee that is
[1:28:22] being formed. I I don't know the exact
name of the committee. Um but
[1:28:27] [clears throat] uh uh wasn't it just
>> wasn't just Arts and his mother
[1:28:32] » are actually serving on that and they're
looking forward to
[1:28:37] » Yes.
>> tending to property like this,
[1:28:39] » right?
>> So there's a volunteer force that wants
[1:28:41] to get involved with this as well.
>> Yeah, it's super exciting. Um um I I
[1:28:46] recently watched a program which I'll
I'll share in a different setting but
[1:28:51] where we saw the finished product of
Emily's work and so I think it will give
[1:28:55] you guys a really good idea of what
she's talking about the the consistency
[1:28:59] of the same plants and those type of
things to get a really consistent feel
[1:29:03] and that it's easier to maintain because
like I guess you're saying you go out
[1:29:07] there once and everything's done once
instead of those this idea of blooming
[1:29:12] all year long. you've got all this stuff
to take care of all year long whereas
[1:29:16] there just one fell swoop you can get
things cleaned up or whatever.
[1:29:20] » Well, and that's tricky because you also
need to have something that is peing
[1:29:24] interest through the seasons, right? So,
it is tricky but by having a repetition
[1:29:30] for hope that the way I put everything
in it should that should be able to be
[1:29:34] maintainable. Okay.
>> It doesn't mean it's maintenanceree but
[1:29:37] it's maintainable.
>> Right. Right. As as good as as close as
[1:29:40] we can get to. Thank you. That was very
helpful. And again, it's really
[1:29:44] exciting. Um, very exciting.
>> Just along those lines, it'll be awesome
[1:29:51] to have some help with like a
maintenance plan because we don't really
[1:29:55] have a gardener on staff. We don't have
a forester. You know, I'm sure in my
[1:30:00] mind anyway, trimming stuff off at the
right point in time and and in the right
[1:30:06] place and not overdoing it is very
important to have it look beautiful. I I
[1:30:10] think the Thanksgiving point I think
>> yeah our our guys probably couldn't make
[1:30:14] it look that nice. [laughter]
>> So some
[1:30:18] » it's more complicated than it looks as
I've learned.
[1:30:20] » Yeah, they they do an awesome job. So
we'll need help.
[1:30:23] » So if we could have a maintenance plan.
I wrote that out.
[1:30:26] » Perfect. Thank you so much. You're
welcome.
[1:30:30] » I think Andrew did you have
>> Go ahead. Bob Well, just the the two
[1:30:36] final Well, the three final slides,
right? So, so this right here is a big
[1:30:42] significant um help I think. Um and I
appreciate Shane um staying with me,
[1:30:49] continuing to kind of bring this topic
up about how much money needs to be
[1:30:54] raised before it triggers the excavation
or some other site prep, right? Um, and
[1:31:00] so, uh, we [clears throat] actually came
to an understanding that look, um, let's
[1:31:06] just say we're not going to touch this
property.
[1:31:10] We'll be doing a lot of things off the
property, but we won't we won't do
[1:31:14] anything until the new year. Um, and so
what we're going to end up having is 90%
[1:31:22] of the money in January. Um, we're
already at 56% or not booked, but
[1:31:30] Right. Um and so I think what this does
is it um allows kind of the city to take
[1:31:36] a take a breath. Um it ensures that
there won't be egg on anyone's face that
[1:31:42] the project has the funding to go
forward. And so I I just wanted to share
[1:31:47] with you that that we've made an
adjustment just this week um that these
[1:31:51] two conditions need to be met. Um
weather ready
[1:31:57] um at or above 90% that's raised. Um and
it'll be in the new year as soon as as
[1:32:03] soon as the weather permits. It means
we're going to scramble. Um but um if
[1:32:08] that is the best way to do it, then
we'll do that.
[1:32:12] » And and Lon was in here with Bob
yesterday and he gave what I thought was
[1:32:17] some great advice in that area. And I
think that's
[1:32:21] » that's helpful
>> help,
[1:32:24] » you know,
>> for sure
[1:32:25] » these guys come to that decision. So, it
wasn't my decision. It's about what to
[1:32:29] say.
>> Oh, for sure.
[1:32:32] » Okay, sir. Did you have more questions?
>> No, that actually answered my question.
[1:32:35] » Thanks for doing it. Just gratitude.
Thanks, Lawn, for helping. I hope your
[1:32:39] surgery went well. Um, and uh, no, I
just I'm We're really grateful. This is
[1:32:45] Some people don't understand or they
don't know that these types of things
[1:32:49] cement for generations
uh, our heritage, our identity. um it's
[1:32:54] done through art that endures a really
long time. So, thank you. Look forward
[1:32:58] to supporting it.
Oh, and if uh the tree is an issue,
[1:33:04] uh I bet you could get around that in
two ways. Utilizing the wood or I think
[1:33:09] that's a fine. Do you Are you okay with
that idea?
[1:33:11] » I mean, that's a great idea.
>> I mean, of things.
[1:33:15] » It is an asht tree, though. I looked at
it. It doesn't have the greatest quality
[1:33:19] wood. It grows fast and
>> you can build like benches or something.
[1:33:23] » So, we'll we'll take that offline. Sorry
to digress. Sorry.
[1:33:27] » Thank you for all your
>> If you want me to say ash trees right
[1:33:30] now, they're not even allowing us to
plant them. I not coming out of right
[1:33:33] now they're they're struggling and um
because in in Colorado right now they're
[1:33:39] » [clears throat]
>> um they are dying and they're dying in
[1:33:42] large population. So, FYI there it's a
harder tree.
[1:33:47] This has been a motion. Any other
>> question? Tough topics. [laughter]
[1:33:51] » No further questions. I'll entertain a
motion.
[1:33:53] » I move to approve the sculpture garden
planting, irrigation, and lighting plan.
[1:33:57] » Is there a second?
>> I'll second it.
[1:33:59] » Okay. Move by Councilman Rumler,
seconded by Councilman Young. If there's
[1:34:04] no further discussions, we'll proceed
with the roll call vote.
[1:34:07] » Drew Young, yes. Brent Rumler, yes.
>> Sir Blackwell, yes.
[1:34:09] » Chrissy Henman, yes.
>> Okay, motion passes. Let's move on to
[1:34:14] the Moy Park landscaping plan.
[applause]
[1:34:21] » Okay. Um it's on a different landscape
project.
[1:34:26] Uh so we've been working on improvements
at Moy Park uh for a while now. We uh
[1:34:34] last fall we completed the new curbon
gutter and the parking areas and all the
[1:34:39] asphalt and kind of got all the lines
set up to accept landscape.
[1:34:44] Um so uh the mayor worked with a
volunteer to actually put a planning
[1:34:50] plan together that we wanted to bring um
for consideration for approval from the
[1:34:56] council. Um
there's a little bit of a timing thing.
[1:35:01] We're trying to include this as a
project for the day of service, which is
[1:35:05] September 12th this year. Um there's a
few times we had volunteers help. Uh
[1:35:12] first major one I remember was Creekide
Park. We had a lot of residents come and
[1:35:16] help plant trees. Um we purchased them
inhouse to save money and then had
[1:35:21] volunteers help plant them. They enjoyed
that. And then we did a a project on the
[1:35:26] day of service a few years ago with
roundabout uh the roundabout landscaping
[1:35:31] and several of them commented they
really appreciated the fact that every
[1:35:35] time they go through the roundabout they
can look at a plan and say I was
[1:35:38] involved with planning that plant. Um so
u we brought this before you today. Um
[1:35:46] some of the stuff on that plan is a
little bit hard to read. You really have
[1:35:50] to zoom in. It's it's kind of tough. I'm
sure as a volunteer she didn't have
[1:35:55] access to everything that maybe a
someone else might have, but um if you
[1:36:00] kind of read it close, you can tell
what's going on there.
[1:36:03] » So, I spoke with her. This is someone
who is a master gardener and is getting
[1:36:09] um her degree in landscape architect
design and this is part of one of her
[1:36:14] projects and um work with her adviserss
on it. The goal was to have um I think
[1:36:20] it's the same as before is that to have
something blooming throughout this
[1:36:25] season. Um and you know my main
directive was we want something that
[1:36:30] looks nice, lowmaintenance and drought
resistant. Um and so with that
[1:36:35] directive, this is what they came up
with.
[1:36:40] » Yeah. And then um just kind of along
with that uh there's a a few other
[1:36:45] things um for consideration in the park.
Um
[1:36:50] first [clears throat] of all, we planned
some fencing. There's that solid fencing
[1:36:53] on the west side as you come into the
park. Um continuing that north and then
[1:36:59] over on the other side of the the
entrance as well. Um, there are a couple
[1:37:07] of gates
that
[1:37:10] go into the backyards of private
property. The one doesn't look like it's
[1:37:15] been used for a long long time. Um, the
other one I I know that they do use it
[1:37:23] and so it might be something that we'll
have to deal with, you know, in moving
[1:37:28] this fence portion of the project
forward.
[1:37:32] Uh Shane, it's it's not the property
owners. It's the Moy Park fence that has
[1:37:36] a opening.
>> I don't know. I'm assuming the city put
[1:37:40] the fence the the fence has been in as
long as I've been around.
[1:37:44] » Um I don't know.
>> Maybe we just ask them before.
[1:37:48] » Yeah. I don't know who I don't know if
the city put it in. I don't know if
[1:37:52] » it looks like the both uh both sides of
the road have the same fence. So I would
[1:37:56] assume it was a city project.
>> I know your mother-in-law would know. I
[1:37:59] wish she was still here to tell us.
>> Yeah,
[1:38:02] » maybe someone you she knows or someone
else could tell us,
[1:38:05] » right?
So, let's see that. There's that. Um uh
[1:38:12] I was at a meeting at Oram City recently
and they have their new city hall and
[1:38:17] it's very modern. It's different than
this, but I saw something there that I
[1:38:20] thought could work really well here. Um
it's
[1:38:26] they've taken um like metal put metal
borders in and then they have this
[1:38:32] gravel that's compacted so hard it's
almost like concrete but not quite but
[1:38:37] it's very like you're not rubbing it off
your feet every time you walk through
[1:38:41] it. I thought it was pretty neat the way
they put it in there in this very formal
[1:38:46] setting. Um so I took Lannon over there.
We looked at it and we think something
[1:38:51] like this may be passed going up the
cabins. Um, which was part of the plan
[1:38:56] that I also included in the packet.
Maybe not in that exact configuration,
[1:39:01] but something like that I think could
could be good. And I think it would help
[1:39:06] keep the weeds down in some of that
area, too.
[1:39:10] » Can you point to that area with your
mouse? I don't know exactly what you're
[1:39:13] speaking. Yeah. The little trails kind
of up on the north end but below the
[1:39:17] caretaker house over by the little
cabins.
[1:39:22] » Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
>> Kind of over in there. Yeah.
[1:39:25] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[1:39:27] Um so there's that. Uh the plan also
called for some split rail fence. This
[1:39:34] would be just like the stuff at the
poppies. Um but it makes sense to get
[1:39:39] some of this other stuff in before that
goes in so it's not in the way.
[1:39:44] Um,
let's see. A resident donated a couple
[1:39:48] of uh pieces of antique farm equipment.
Um,
[1:39:53] it's not been moved up there yet, but um
the thought was to maybe put it in kind
[1:39:59] of that circle area.
If you want to look at it, it's over on
[1:40:02] Red Pine Drive. You probably walk by it
all the time.
[1:40:06] » There's also some on the um Alpine
Oh, come on. art center property. That's
[1:40:14] there's Oh, yeah. There's out along
their back. Not that you're looking for
[1:40:18] donations, but
>> but there's some out there.
[1:40:20] » There is more. It's coming out of the
weeds. Oh,
[1:40:24] » really?
>> Literally.
[1:40:25] » Yeah. Okay. Uh we still need to stripe
the parking lot. Uh there's two entrance
[1:40:32] signs. It feels like one of those could
come out and still say the same thing if
[1:40:38] somebody wanted to give their opinion on
which one should stay.
[1:40:41] » Kaden, can you go up to
>> I hope you won't be offended, but have
[1:40:44] you done a swept analysis on your
parking lot?
[1:40:48] » I'm sure it's 100%.
>> Come on, Jason. Where's the laugh? There
[1:40:51] he's laughing.
>> Angle parking. There's a good turnaround
[1:40:54] up there. Um I'm sure it's it's great.
Uh let's see.
[1:41:02] And then um
we had a suggestion there's a large tree
[1:41:08] that's just directly south of the cabins
that maybe that could get taken out and
[1:41:15] give more visibility to those cabins and
just a couple things like that. So
[1:41:20] there's some things on the table. The
one we're really kind of focused on
[1:41:23] right now is trying to get the planning
plan um approved so that we can um you
[1:41:30] know have that as part of that day of
service.
[1:41:33] » Does anybody have questions? Oh my gosh,
we might be done.
[1:41:38] » So why [snorts] why can you just remind
us why this this improvement was
[1:41:44] a priority when we're doing the park
master plan and put up other park
[1:41:49] projects?
Um it's been something that's been on
[1:41:54] the table for quite a while actually.
>> We also have a donation specifically for
[1:42:01] this park and so with um the 911
>> day of service coming. Um but yeah, this
[1:42:08] is the plan's been in the works for a
long time.
[1:42:11] » Yeah, I know we talked about it the last
city council. It's been a long time. No,
[1:42:14] I mean I think this um this plan itself
we've been working on since last summer
[1:42:19] asking her to work on it.
>> So I mean the prior city council.
[1:42:22] » Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. and then um just was
waiting for her to get the right class
[1:42:27] to be able to implement it all and to
have the um help of her adviserss
[1:42:32] um with what we had suggested and what
we needed mainly that it be low
[1:42:37] maintenance that we wanted it to be you
know to look good and you know and so
[1:42:42] she um felt more comfortable doing it
with her adviserss and so we had to wait
[1:42:46] till she had that class and so then um
along with everything else really the
[1:42:52] and because of the money coming through
and with 911 day of service, we're
[1:42:56] actually going to have people and I'm
with Shane. I've had several people go,
[1:43:00] you know, my kids help plant those and
it's so cool that they're thriving now,
[1:43:05] you know, and so we figured this would
be a similar opportunity that, you know,
[1:43:09] they can drive by and say, "Hey, you
know, I help with this." So, it's just a
[1:43:12] great way to get the community involved.
>> Have you considered involving the Moyal
[1:43:17] family? because I know they're very
>> I talked to um why can't I think of her
[1:43:23] name
>> I talked to Wanita and um obviously you
[1:43:28] know I'm going to talk to Kathleen I see
Suzanne here so yes you can come and
[1:43:32] make a comment in just a second um but
no I talked to Wanita because she's the
[1:43:36] one that usually has um since Kathleen's
passing and even before um one you know
[1:43:42] she's the one that I've been in contact
with the most about Mo Park she'll like
[1:43:45] call me about specific things or if
somebody's trying to I guess with one of
[1:43:51] the gates people were moving things and
there were some issues and so she called
[1:43:57] um and she's a direct descendant. I told
her about this plan and she she was like
[1:44:02] yeah that looks great. So
>> no I meant family to come and want
[1:44:06] because they'll want to help. This is
their great great grandfather's farm.
[1:44:10] Oh, you have okay that's what I meant.
Not just did she like the plant but do
[1:44:14] they want to help with the planting?
>> Yes. No, but yes, they will. And we've
[1:44:19] been talking with a couple other staff
directly involved with the Moy Park.
[1:44:23] With Moy Park, it's very um
>> Yeah.
[1:44:26] » Okay.
>> Anyways, Suzanne, did you have a comment
[1:44:28] that you wanted to make? Suzanne
um is a direct descendant of John Romoy.
[1:44:35] She's Kathleen's sister.
>> No, she's my sister.
[1:44:39] » Okay. Kathleen is her sister.
I was up to the park today
[1:44:46] and um Troy was up there digging, doing
irrigation connections,
[1:44:51] telling me about the planting that you
want to do. And I'm going, a bigger
[1:44:57] concern for Moyal Park is not all this
roof stuff. It's putting a security
[1:45:03] system on that building. One of these
days, some of your cute little teenagers
[1:45:09] who blow up the toilets in Alpine City
are going to access that house and
[1:45:17] it could be destructive.
So, my my feeling is put all the split
[1:45:23] rail fences you want in, put all the
plants you want in, they're going to die
[1:45:28] anyway.
um unless you put sage brush in and
[1:45:33] that's more conducive to the time
period. But my feeling is,
[1:45:39] you know, my sister has contributed a
large sum of money to that park. Let's
[1:45:45] secure the building.
Family and friends have contributed
[1:45:50] valuable artifacts in that house.
And last summer we were up there, there
[1:45:59] were no caretakers weren't there. You
could walk right in the house because
[1:46:03] the door was open. So, good luck.
>> Thank you.
[1:46:07] » Thank you.
>> Good point.
[1:46:09] » It's a good point.
>> Um I I do have a few questions and
[1:46:14] comments. Um I have been there once
before when the house was unlocked. We
[1:46:18] live really close to theirs, so my kids
and I, we enjoyed that park a lot. Um, I
[1:46:23] did look up all these plants as well and
all of them are drought resistant. So,
[1:46:28] I'm hoping that they won't need a ton of
water and that they won't die. But I I
[1:46:32] was I think it would have been really
great if they had all been native to
[1:46:36] Utah. Um, and none of them are, but
that's that's all right. I'm really
[1:46:40] grateful that someone is willing to
volunteer their time to put together
[1:46:44] this plan and to come and help plant
these and beautify that park. So, I I
[1:46:48] appreciate that. So just so I understand
correctly all of the landscape plan are
[1:46:53] the plants being donated like or just
through the donation that's what that's
[1:46:58] what's funding this I just want to
understand the funding side it was all
[1:47:02] » all the improvements today haven't so
the donation came after the improvements
[1:47:09] that have been done today so we haven't
spent any of the donation money
[1:47:13] » so far so it's all available
>> the planting will be part of it and then
[1:47:17] I'm sure there'll be I And there's a
lot, you know,
[1:47:21] can you go page above? It talked about
all the things that the improvements
[1:47:24] that we wanted to do. So, we would just
need to um
[1:47:30] add, you know, security on the main
house.
[1:47:34] » Yeah, it's a great idea. Um I do like
the pathways that you're talking about,
[1:47:38] Shane. My brother actually just
installed those exact same ones at his
[1:47:41] house and they're they're awesome. Um,
and then I was just curious with there
[1:47:45] are some trails kind of on the east side
if you go down little ways. Are those
[1:47:49] going to be cleared out because they
used to be more
[1:47:53] » finded and accessible? And I mean, I'm
happy to help with that. I'll take my
[1:47:58] kids over there and do it, but I didn't
know if that was a part of the plan for
[1:48:00] the day.
>> It was just this area just because of
[1:48:04] the new asphalt and all the improvements
that they had made. Can you go up that
[1:48:07] one page,
>> Kayen? Can you go up?
[1:48:11] Uh so because of all the new work that
had been done with the asphalt and doing
[1:48:17] all of that. Um we're just taking
advantage of the labor that we have. But
[1:48:23] that's definitely something that if you
wanted to undertake, I'm sure Troy would
[1:48:26] work with you.
>> Okay.
[1:48:28] » I'm thinking of that project list you
started too.
[1:48:30] » Oh yeah. With for Alpine Youth Council.
>> Oh yeah. Okay. I'll put it I'll make
[1:48:35] note of that. Okay. Those are
>> even youth groups. You know, we could do
[1:48:38] it on just serve and put it up there and
say, "Hey, if you guys need a service
[1:48:42] project, why don't you come and help
clear out the space and just do it until
[1:48:45] it gets done?"
>> Yeah, that'd be great. Okay,
[1:48:48] » time.
>> Thank you.
[1:48:50] » Okay, any other questions?
>> Um, I I have a question regarding two
[1:48:54] things. Um, I'll refer back to the
comment about security. I also had that
[1:48:59] experience. Um, we had an appointment,
but due to a miscommunication, um, we
[1:49:04] gave ourselves a self- tour. So I I
understand your concern. That was um I
[1:49:11] think we can con agree with that. The
second thing though was um we've had
[1:49:16] other and Andrew's brought them to our
attention but other the historic
[1:49:19] committee that we've talked about. We
have these monuments um that have been
[1:49:24] established like remember that when you
talked about the cemetery. I was
[1:49:28] thinking, wouldn't it be good to like
have like a more localized place for
[1:49:32] these monuments like rather than in the
middle of that cemetery like
[1:49:38] or is this specifically geared only Moy
and anything related to him?
[1:49:44] » This is pretty much
>> You need your microphone on
[1:49:49] » that.
>> You need your microphone. Sorry. So, um,
[1:49:56] yes, my understanding is Mo Park is
about the family and John Ro, but those
[1:50:02] homes that have been put on there,
though, those weren't his. Those have
[1:50:06] come from other parts of Alpine. So,
>> you know what I'm talking about. You You
[1:50:09] had a monument in the middle of the new
part that is sort of lopsided and
[1:50:13] falling apart. And it's like we could
have a more like
[1:50:17] » the one that said you name.
>> Oh yeah.
[1:50:21] » That's what she's talking about.
>> Tell me what you're referring to.
[1:50:24] » Like should we relocate it here where we
have more other historic things that
[1:50:27] relate back to Alpine.
>> Oh, I see. You're talking about the
[1:50:29] woman's monument in the cemetery.
Bringing it here.
[1:50:31] » That was just the first thing that came
to mind is that when you go here, you're
[1:50:35] learning all about Alpine history. And
when you go to the cemetery, you're not
[1:50:39] you're you're visiting your loved ones
kind of. It's really not Alpine history
[1:50:43] though. When you go there in the home,
you're learning about John Ra Moy and
[1:50:48] his journey of helping with the temple
and you know his journey being here, but
[1:50:53] it's not really about the history of
Alpine. It's more about
[1:50:56] » General Moy and his family.
>> But to your point, there's those those
[1:51:00] other cabins that have been moved on
>> and um you know, the Salt Lake Temple is
[1:51:06] not necessarily an alpine. So we could
and he was a pioneer.
[1:51:10] » Yeah. No, I didn't say it was about
Alpine. I said it's more about John
[1:51:12] Romo. It's more of a tribute to him and
the family.
[1:51:15] » Yes, for sure. The house is, but there's
other things and like the farm
[1:51:19] equipment, too. I I'm just saying like,
should we try to make this a place with
[1:51:24] lots of history? The prominent most
important thing is about this particular
[1:51:30] resident of Alpine, but like to have it
scattered throughout our city just
[1:51:34] seemed a little disorganized. for being
an accountant, we like to think
[1:51:39] categorize things. So, historic things
could go here.
[1:51:42] » I think it's a good idea. I think it's
something that we can um talk to the
[1:51:45] family about and see.
>> Yeah. Get their feedback for sure. Okay.
[1:51:49] » Okay. Sounds good.
>> Oh, also, you had talked to us about an
[1:51:53] angled parking, but we ended up with
straight.
[1:51:55] » No, it's angled. It's just not been
painted.
[1:51:57] » You really do want this one.
>> No, no, no. I really did see her. I I
[1:52:01] saw the drawing and it had straight. I'm
like, what happened? You asked us about
[1:52:05] the angle. I did remember that one. is
an old one.
[1:52:08] » That's the the the master plan is kind
of handdrawn.
[1:52:11] » Where is that? I'm not imagining.
>> No, it's Go one more down.
[1:52:15] » It's that one. Yeah. Go down.
>> So, this one did show 90° parking
[1:52:20] » and and parallel right there.
>> Yeah. And we do have some parallel
[1:52:24] parking there. It's just not striped
yet. But the angle parking fit better.
[1:52:29] » Right. I do I remember that whole
discussion. So, we we are doing that.
[1:52:32] This is inaccurate.
>> Correct. Do we need to like note that
[1:52:36] that it's inaccurate?
>> What we're approving is the
[1:52:38] » this was done
>> years ago.
[1:52:41] » Oh, it's already been approved.
>> And if you go back up to the other page,
[1:52:44] » we're just talking about the native the
anything alive.
[1:52:47] » We've been working off of this plan
>> as just kind of a concept and
[1:52:52] implementing different things up there.
>> Okay, then I'll stop worrying about that
[1:52:56] stuff then. Thank you.
>> So, it's really just about the
[1:52:59] landscaping today. So, if there's no
further questions regarding
[1:53:03] » Oh, since you said landscaping in when I
was doing all my um research on the
[1:53:07] water conservation, they say six inches
of mulch. So, please let's have six to
[1:53:13] eight inches because it deteriorates
over time.
[1:53:16] » Okay. Andrew, did you have a question?
>> I just We do a motion right now, right
[1:53:20] on this is
>> Yes. But do you have a question right
[1:53:22] now?
>> I was going to just offer Are you all
[1:53:24] okay? We
>> If you would Yes, I will entertain a
[1:53:27] motion. Go ahead.
>> Okay. I was going to do some discussion
[1:53:30] first. I I hope this is input from our
six city councelor. Okay, I'll do the
[1:53:35] motion. Here we go. I move to approve
the Moy Pike Moy Park landscape planting
[1:53:41] plan with the following conditions and
changes to prioritize security first as
[1:53:48] the first priority.
[1:53:52] Is there a second?
Okay, the motion dies. Is there a
[1:53:58] substitute? Is there another motion?
>> Andrew, I think
[1:54:02] » I think the security is very important.
I just want to say I think the security
[1:54:06] is very important and I think it's
something that we will do. I I know
[1:54:09] we'll do, but this is time is of the
essence and that we need this approved
[1:54:16] so we can source these plants and have
it ready by the 12th. So to say that the
[1:54:21] priority is security,
>> I can rephrase it. I can rephrase it.
[1:54:24] You want me to rephrase it and just
include it as one of the uh
[1:54:26] » Yes.
>> Okay. Sorry. Will you kind of take me
[1:54:28] off guard? Just
>> But it's landscaping though. This is
[1:54:30] only about landscaping. We don't have
anything.
[1:54:33] » Can we add it? This is what I was going
to discuss. Are you all okay if we add
[1:54:36] it?
>> We don't have anything on the agenda. So
[1:54:39] if you we could bring it back and add
it, but like you we have all these other
[1:54:43] things on it that they want to do, but
this is only for the landscaping plan.
[1:54:48] » Right. Right. And I think this is good.
>> And the security on the building is
[1:54:51] nothing to do with it. It's not noticed,
>> right?
[1:54:54] » So, you can't make a motion on something
that's not noticed.
[1:54:56] » Sure. Sure. All I just
>> Let's just Let's just ask our staff now
[1:55:00] to look into potential security options,
which I think they're already,
[1:55:04] » right? And uh well, I was going to
discuss first. You just wanted to get it
[1:55:07] done, so I went straight to the motion.
I realized it wasn't well thought out,
[1:55:10] but either way, um the security is not
that expensive. We just It's
[1:55:15] » No, it's not.
>> It's really easy now. It's not a thing
[1:55:18] of it's not going to get done, but right
now what we have noticed is the
[1:55:21] landscaping plan. I'm pretty sure
Shane's going to be working on that
[1:55:25] security thing as soon as possible. But
like I said with this, the reason it's
[1:55:29] here is we need it approved so we can
source the plants and plan it according
[1:55:33] to the plan.
>> Right. Right. I wasn't taking away any
[1:55:35] of that. Wasn't
>> Okay.
[1:55:37] » I think we only have the first one. Go.
>> Right. Right. Are are you all okay?
[1:55:41] Because this is what was going to be the
discussion. Are we okay if we put it in
[1:55:43] as because I I really uh respect what
she said and I think
[1:55:47] » I think we all do. We're all in
agreement.
[1:55:49] » So, how can how can we include it in
some way that
[1:55:52] » we I will work with Shane. That's a
directive that we'll have.
[1:55:55] » But this is only about landscaping
security of the building has nothing to
[1:55:59] do with the landscaping and that's
what's noticed to the public that we're
[1:56:02] going to be making a decision on today.
>> I understand.
[1:56:05] » But I think the security be, you know,
as you said, as long as it's below a
[1:56:08] certain amount, we can move forward with
it.
[1:56:10] » Okay.
It doesn't have to come to council to be
[1:56:14] approved. I wonder what's the limit.
Seven grand, five grand, 15 grand, 15.
[1:56:18] » 15.
>> There are lots of great security systems
[1:56:20] out there.
>> Yeah.
[1:56:21] » Well, okay. Since you guys have the
motion,
[1:56:22] » I'm not worried about it.
>> I'm not against any of this. I love the
[1:56:25] Moyal family. I love the park. I think
anything we can do to beautify it, to
[1:56:28] get our kids to never forget it,
constantly go up.
[1:56:31] » Did you have a motion?
>> I'll move to approve the Moy Park
[1:56:33] landscape planting plan.
>> Okay. Is there a second?
[1:56:36] » I'll second that.
>> It's been moved by Councilman Remler,
[1:56:39] seconded by Councilwoman Blackwell. Any
further discussion on the motion?
[1:56:44] » If not, we'll proceed with the roll.
>> Just follow up on the security one.
[1:56:48] Andrew Young, yes.
>> Brent Roma, yes.
[1:56:50] » Sarah Blackwell, yes.
>> Chrissy Edamman, yes.
[1:56:52] » Okay, motion passes.
>> I'd like to make a motion.
[1:56:57] I move that we go into close session to
discuss land acquisition.
[1:57:02] » Is there a second?
>> Mayor, were we going to talk about item
[1:57:05] D from the work session before we did
that?
[1:57:08] » Oh, yes, yes, yes, yes. I'm sorry. Yes,
we will do that. Um Shane, if you want
[1:57:13] to talk about the PI system.
>> Yeah, so
[1:57:17] we've been uh we've discussed a few
times the different projects uh that are
[1:57:24] proposed uh that we bond for. Um so
there's been a couple of developments
[1:57:30] that have came along. Um they would
require likely some cost from the city.
[1:57:35] one for sure, the other one with the
development agreement, we might be able
[1:57:39] to do something different, but but there
will be um a cost to those projects. So,
[1:57:46] the first one is the uh the page
property has been moving forward and
[1:57:51] they're working um very close to
approval, I believe. Um the master plan
[1:57:58] showed the 24 inch line going from Ridge
Drive to Red Pine Drive to Main Street
[1:58:05] along Maine to First South and then back
up by cutting through this project. Um
[1:58:11] we'd save a ton of money. We wouldn't be
digging up asphalt. We wouldn't be going
[1:58:16] through utility conflicts.
Um all those kinds of things. So the
[1:58:21] cheapest way to put that section of the
pipe is pre-development. Um so it's a
[1:58:26] timing thing and so we believe that that
should be considered um as part of our
[1:58:33] kind of our group of projects for
bonding. Uh the other one is is if this
[1:58:39] uh property below the Healey well moves
forward u we should be looking at it the
[1:58:44] same way. Um, so if we acquire that
easement, we put that in. Again, it's
[1:58:51] not in the asphalt, it'll be the
cheapest way we could ever do it. So,
[1:58:56] » Jane, I wanted to get Oh, I'll wait my
turn. Go ahead.
[1:58:59] » Uh, thanks for the foresight. I I
completely agree. Thank you.
[1:59:04] » Yes, I agree. I um if I understand
correctly based off our conversation
[1:59:10] earlier and what you just said is we can
we're going to work on these in tandem
[1:59:15] with also still pursuing some of
>> that's what we're suggesting should have
[1:59:19] » perfect. Thank you.
>> U remind me of the six items listed
[1:59:26] here. Um the two that you're talking
about are the page development for
[1:59:31] $735,000
and the Healey Well to Healey Boulevard.
[1:59:37] That one.
>> Okay. The first two are the items that
[1:59:40] we've talked about that were roughly 9,
>> right?
[1:59:43] » Healey well to Healey Boulevard. So
that's from the wellhouse
[1:59:47] um in this easement we discussed in the
work session.
[1:59:50] » Okay. So that's the 420
>> Healey Boulevard.
[1:59:52] » Okay. Uh the next one would be from that
point down to Canyon Crest, right Jason?
[1:59:59] And then um the page development one
that would be from First South basically
[2:00:06] to Dry Creek
or what's the
[2:00:13] » Oh, sorry. The page development is just
through their property there south to
[2:00:16] Red Pine.
>> Yes.
[2:00:18] » And then the 24 inch or sorry, yeah, the
extension
[2:00:22] That would be Ridge Drive to the P.
>> Yes.
[2:00:26] » So the to sorry I didn't do this first,
but the total of the last four is the
[2:00:31] $3.5 million difference. Is that right?
The last four that you just talked
[2:00:37] about.
>> Uh about that.
[2:00:39] » Okay. Thank you. So, so the last one on
this list would be the one that's not
[2:00:46] absolutely necessary with these
development projects, but it would
[2:00:51] connect
between two parts of the the overall
[2:00:56] project, I guess. Um, I would suggest,
you know, moving forward, I'm I'm sure
[2:01:01] uh with moving forward and finalizing
our parks master plan, there will be
[2:01:06] some attention to Peterson Park. Um,
again, the cheapest way to put that
[2:01:12] section of pipe in would be to I would
suggest skirting the outside of the
[2:01:17] park, no utilities to deal with, just so
much less expensive, and then pop back
[2:01:24] into Red Pine Drive and and connect up
to the the line going through the Page
[2:01:28] property.
>> So, are any of these projects shovel
[2:01:32] ready? Uh we have uh plans what would
you say 80 or 90% for
[2:01:40] » about that 80 to 90%
>> Haley Boulevard from Canyon Crest to the
[2:01:45] Healey Well.
>> Is that the only one that shovel ready?
[2:01:48] » That's the only one. The others
I mean they shouldn't take a ton of
[2:01:53] time,
>> right? And the page development they'll
[2:01:56] be
>> Yeah,
[2:01:57] » they'll be ready as soon as that's
ready. So
[2:02:01] » So if we can get maybe the Healey well
to Healey Boulevard and then maybe even
[2:02:06] the page development if we can get but
they're wanting to move on that quickly,
[2:02:10] right? The 24 in extension. Is there any
way we can get that shovel ready and try
[2:02:15] to get it in for You know what I'm
talking about, right?
[2:02:18] » Yeah.
>> If we can get it in for that grant, that
[2:02:20] would be fantastic.
>> Yeah. And that's the other component.
[2:02:23] There's we found some potential funding
that even if they only pay for the pipe,
[2:02:29] it has this funding has to be used by
the end of the year.
[2:02:33] Um, but if we can work this in and even
if they just pay for the pipe, it would
[2:02:37] be something. So, um, we'll work that,
continue to work that angle, too.
[2:02:43] » Can you remind me how these bonds work?
Do we get the like a lump sum
[2:02:48] so that being shovel ready is critical
so that the money isn't sitting there
[2:02:52] charging us interest that we haven't
utilized or how does that all work?
[2:02:55] » The shovel ready is more related to the
grants, but I mean, it kind of relates
[2:03:00] » this
>> to
[2:03:02] Yeah, this isn't just the construction
costs. It's also the engineering that's
[2:03:07] involved. And so that's what helps it
get it shovel ready.
[2:03:10] » I didn't know which pro if any of these
were shovel ready other than the Healey
[2:03:14] Well to Healey Boulevard connection.
>> Yes. So, so the project we did last
[2:03:19] fall, we had Horox do the surveying from
Canyon Crest up to the the driveway to
[2:03:24] the Healey Well. We had them include
that in the survey with everything else
[2:03:28] in Canyon Crest. And our thought was the
plan was to do it this spring, not in
[2:03:35] the fall. And we thought, we have this
grant money. If this project comes in
[2:03:39] way cheaper than we anticipate, we'll
have this other section ready and we can
[2:03:44] maybe get it into. And then we kind of
switched gears and did it in the fall,
[2:03:49] but the cost fell kind of in line with
the grant we had, so we just we just
[2:03:54] stopped there.
>> I see.
[2:03:55] » But we still have those plans available.
>> Okay. Okay, that work's been mostly
[2:04:00] done.
>> So, can you scroll up one more time? Go
[2:04:04] backwards. So, are we saying that um
we're increasing the bond by this much
[2:04:10] or just we're going to use a mixture of
grant bonding and fund balance or
[2:04:16] something to pay for the full
>> I would say. Yes, I I would say
[2:04:21] potentially plan on more in the bond,
>> but I think on this particular grant, we
[2:04:26] will know
>> like soon.
[2:04:28] » Okay.
>> If we can get something which will help.
[2:04:31] So it's it's not set in stone one in one
way because because as we know grants
[2:04:36] are dependent on other
>> grants. Sometimes these developments
[2:04:39] come along and you know they get started
and then they stall out for a couple
[2:04:45] years or whatever. And so it was kind of
in limbo but it it really looks like
[2:04:49] they're ready to move forward. So that's
why we're bringing this now.
[2:04:54] » And and just to confirm these additional
projects are not taking away from the
[2:04:58] ones that Horox Okay. We're not
suggesting that.
[2:05:01] » Yeah. I just want Okay, that's
>> is the whole what was it? The buildout
[2:05:07] that it's part of phase two that we have
been continually working on in phases.
[2:05:12] And the reason that they're doing this
is take advantage of. It's just
[2:05:16] situational, right? They're developing.
It's they're going to have raw land.
[2:05:20] It'll be super easy to pipe it through
as opposed to going all the way back
[2:05:23] down through the roundabout down Main
Street and go back up again just to end
[2:05:27] up in the same place when we can go
straight through.
[2:05:30] » And so it will save us a lot of money in
the long run.
[2:05:34] » Yeah, that's if you do it as a crowsly,
it's very direct and we needed to move
[2:05:38] quickly on it so we're not delaying
their project. They're being very nice
[2:05:41] to let us do this.
>> Yeah, they've been great to work with on
[2:05:44] it.
>> Good.
[2:05:45] » So,
>> okay. Okay.
[2:05:47] » Okay, I'll go. I haven't gone yet.
>> Did you go?
[2:05:51] » Um, oh, I just wanted to ask one other
question. What's the status of a
[2:05:55] potential rate study? Or maybe that
should come later. Maybe that's another
[2:05:59] discussion.
>> I can answer that. So, uh,
[2:06:04] on on PI,
we need to know what our projects are
[2:06:09] that are on the horizon. So, we have
that number to plug in to the
[2:06:13] spreadsheet that they've created. Um, so
we're we're getting there on the
[2:06:19] culinary and the sewer. Um, I actually
have a meeting with them tomorrow. Um,
[2:06:24] so those are those are moving forward.
So we'll have those to council
[2:06:31] this fall.
>> Great.
[2:06:33] » So,
>> thank you.
[2:06:34] » I'll know more after tomorrow, but it
should be this fall.
[2:06:37] » Thank you.
>> Yeah.
[2:06:38] » Sarah, you're talking about the number
like the the difference in price on the
[2:06:42] » Yes. what the
>> the actual cost per resident.
[2:06:45] » Yes.
>> Okay. All right.
[2:06:48] » Okay. There's no further questions.
>> No, I haven't gone yet.
[2:06:52] » I haven't.
>> Okay.
[2:06:54] » Yeah. I was just waiting. Uh so,
um Shane, there's one thing I wanted to
[2:07:01] bring up is the uh uh and you guys have
been really helpful in giving a lot of
[2:07:06] information about the whole system and
Horox has been helpful as well. Um the
[2:07:12] the the neighborhood that keeps coming
after me for a fix is the north side of
[2:07:19] the low zone and I bring it up, you
know, by Alpine Elementary where they
[2:07:23] just have no pressure.
>> I know there's a couple others as well.
[2:07:27] And so, uh
the fix, I had to go back and research
[2:07:31] what it was. The fix is a pressurized
valve, PRV,
[2:07:36] » pressure reducing valve.
>> Pressure reducing valve. And those run
[2:07:40] around 300K.
>> Yeah, it depends on the situation,
[2:07:46] a lot of factors, but
>> half of what I'm saying is a question
[2:07:48] and half of what I'm saying is I'm
trying to find a fix. So anyways, I
[2:07:52] haven't really seen that as part of any
of this. And so I'm hoping that that can
[2:07:56] be considered. I know I know it's on the
list. I I just mean it's never been on
[2:08:01] any of the uh I know it's on the list of
potentials. It's just never been on the
[2:08:05] list of actual potential projects to be
carried out.
[2:08:08] » Well, We've been talking about bonding
projects, but in that same discussion,
[2:08:12] we talked about about being able to fund
through fund balance and like that a
[2:08:19] project like that. So,
>> bringing those to fund
[2:08:21] » that's why it's not on this.
>> Yes. Right. So, so since we're talking
[2:08:24] about this, um would that be something
we could bring forward to do even before
[2:08:29] this stuff that takes years to
implement? And because the the the
[2:08:33] pipeline you're talking about, this
potentially will take five or six more
[2:08:37] years to get it actually functional,
right? Getting it all the way up there.
[2:08:40] And
>> the pipeline but the Yeah. But the other
[2:08:44] bonded projects though, we're hoping to
get it started right away. I mean, we
[2:08:47] want to get started on the wall this
winter,
[2:08:49] » right? So, in the meantime, is this
something we could is does the does the
[2:08:53] council have the stomach to to do the
smaller one that would
[2:08:58] » bring up at a later time? But right now,
this is just something for you to
[2:09:03] consider if you want them to add
something to the potential
[2:09:07] » bring up the bond price. That's, you
know, that's subject that you can bring
[2:09:10] up.
>> Right. I'm bringing it up now because
[2:09:12] it's never in there. So, that's why I'm
bringing it up.
[2:09:13] » This isn't anything like we're not
voting on this. This is justformational.
[2:09:17] You know that, right?
>> That's why I'm going Yeah. No, I know.
[2:09:19] » So, you can't take a vote.
>> I'm not asking for a vote. I'm just
[2:09:22] asking I'm trying to be a team player.
>> Oh, I know. But you can also use the
[2:09:25] phone.
>> Well, I'm
[2:09:27] » Are you asking if we should add this to
the list because you'd want to bond for
[2:09:30] it or you would prefer that we fund it
some other way?
[2:09:33] » Well, it sounds like this is small. So,
it sounds like it doesn't even need to
[2:09:36] be bonded. It's something small we can
work towards. It's just a community
[2:09:39] that's been there forever and it's just
it seems like a fix we could actively
[2:09:43] work towards.
>> Do I understand correctly? you're asking
[2:09:45] if we can prioritize that because the
cost isn't that great and we can get
[2:09:48] going on it sooner and
>> the original the original idea was just
[2:09:52] to one of the priorities not above other
things but but this is one of the
[2:09:56] priorities and
>> I I uh had been looking into it and just
[2:10:00] wanted to follow up on it since we were
talking about pressurized irrigation.
[2:10:03] Yeah, you have to be careful with PRVs
because they can cause other problems
[2:10:07] because the way they're designed, if the
pressure is too low, their their
[2:10:12] settings, the high pressure on the
upstream side, low pressure on the
[2:10:15] downstream side, when the downstream
pressure reaches gets to a certain
[2:10:21] point, that valve opens and feeds water
to it.
[2:10:25] » Right. Right.
>> So that takes pressure from other areas.
[2:10:28] » Right. Okay. And so if you don't have
the availability of water there, it can
[2:10:33] cause other problems.
>> If there's a better solution, I'm I'm
[2:10:36] all ears for a better solution. But
anyways, that's just one of the things
[2:10:39] to think about. The I asked them for any
solutions. They had say that that was
[2:10:43] the band-aid. That's the fix. And then
the other one is obviously the pipeline,
[2:10:47] which will help as that goes further
along. That will help every zone.
[2:10:51] » All all the projects in the master plan
will help,
[2:10:55] » right? Right.
>> Some way throughout the city.
[2:10:57] » Okay. Well, I just I need something to
go back and tell them that I'm working
[2:11:01] on it because every time they show me
their sprinklers and they say this thing
[2:11:05] won't go up and I'm trying to help them.
So, that was
[2:11:09] » um anyways, I uh I think that's all and
thanks for doing this. I have been
[2:11:12] reaching just just I would encourage you
guys to reach out to residents on this
[2:11:16] bonding. I've been reaching out to them
because this is something that will
[2:11:20] affect everyone. the rate will help that
Sarah asked because I can't give them an
[2:11:24] exact number of how much their water
bill will increase. So that's what
[2:11:28] that'll be really helpful to give them
those numbers. Um I have been getting
[2:11:32] quite a a negative response from
residents on more costs. They're they're
[2:11:38] giving me a lot of we just went through
the hardest year and we were fine. um
[2:11:42] they're they're giving they're not
they're not I think water is painful
[2:11:46] right now but I think right now people
are even feeling more of a pain uh of
[2:11:51] budget and finance and just one more
thing on top so anyways just exploring
[2:11:56] any other route for any of these
solutions that doesn't do that for
[2:12:00] example I've had several developers
reach out asking to contribute to one of
[2:12:05] these want something in return but
that's a potential I've tried to call
[2:12:09] them they they're hard to get a hold
But anyways, I'll I'll keep looking. I
[2:12:13] know you have friends as well, but
there's any other route to get to these,
[2:12:16] I think it would help. That's all I got
to say. Thank you.
[2:12:18] » Okay. Um, I'd like to make a motion. I
move that we go into close session to
[2:12:23] discuss land acquisition.
>> Is there a second?
[2:12:30] » I will second.
>> I move that we go into council. Was that
[2:12:33] council chambers?
>> Could I give you some suggestions?
[2:12:35] » Yes, please. [laughter]
>> Okay. to discuss the purchase sale lease
[2:12:40] or exchange of real property
>> strategy session to discuss the purchase
[2:12:45] sale lease or exchange of real property
>> and Mr. say where that's going to be
[2:12:50] held
>> you can say I was just you can say so
[2:12:54] moved to be held in the conference room
at city hall
[2:12:57] » and Sarah and Mr. Mr. Doc, if there's
something else we want to discuss
[2:13:01] because there's a couple items going on
right now.
[2:13:03] » Screen Sarah, too.
>> Do we have to add Do we have to add that
[2:13:07] to the motion in order to discuss other
items that are supposed to be talked
[2:13:10] about?
>> If we're going to discuss other items
[2:13:12] that are not
>> Are you involved in the talking to a
[2:13:16] couple items that you all know about
that are in
[2:13:19] » That's something that probably should
have been brought up before. There's no
[2:13:22] litigation right now, is there?
>> I sorry, I meant
[2:13:26] the chance.
It's anything that has been brought up
[2:13:29] recently that you'd like to talk about
in closed meeting?
[2:13:33] » I don't know. Do Can I
>> Can I just amend it? You can make it and
[2:13:36] I'll ask.
>> Okay. List all four. I move to pause the
[2:13:39] regular meeting and move into a closed
meeting to be held in the conference
[2:13:42] room at city hall to discuss
um I you want me to list all of them.
[2:13:48] The purchase, exchange, sale, or lease
of real property. Um is there anything
[2:13:53] else you wanted to
>> If you could just say the other ones.
[2:13:55] » Okay. pending or reasonable imminent
litigation the character professional
[2:13:59] competence or physical and or mental
health of an individual
[2:14:03] » that's not needed I I apologize
[laughter]
[2:14:05] » the deployment of security personnel
devices or systems
[2:14:08] » actually yes that is one that is one
>> okay and at the end of the closed
[2:14:12] meeting the open open city council
meeting will be adjourned
[2:14:17] » uh we have staff reports
>> okay can you take that part off or do I
[2:14:23] need to restate it again
>> no I think you're okay
[2:14:25] » we'll just come back. I'll fix it.
>> Okay. Thank you, Deian.
[2:14:28] » Okay. There's a motion. Is there a
second?
[2:14:30] » I'll second it.
>> It's been moved by Councilwoman
[2:14:32] Blackwell and seconded by Councilman
Young that we go into close session for
[2:14:37] the reasons stated.
>> There's three votes.
[2:14:42] » There's two.
>> We got to say I though.
[2:14:44] » Oh, all
>> call.
[2:14:46] » Roll call.
>> I Brett Ramler. Yes.
[2:14:50] » Sarah Blackwell. Yes.
>> Chissy Hanaman. Yes.
[2:14:53] » Andrew. Close session.
[2:14:59] Glad you did.
[2:15:16] » Thanks.
>> I'm not here. I'm in Salt Lake.
[2:15:20] » Can I contact you?
>> Um, you can. I represent the city.
[2:15:25] » Yeah.
>> So,
[2:15:26] » go through Shane.
>> Why don't you call Shane? Yeah.
[2:15:30] » Shane.
[2:15:40] » R.
Steve.
[2:15:44] » Sorry. I thought you were talking to me.
>> Like, you put up the signs. The signs
[2:15:48] are up. trying to enforce the parking
already. So I don't feel like we're
[2:15:51] spending hours talking about hedges,
>> you know, but like
[2:15:56] » Well, I know, but you guys never talked
about that parking. You tabled it and
[2:16:00] it's never been adopted. The engineering
court was never adopted.
[2:16:04] » These plans were never approved by the
board by the city,
[2:16:08] » right? So our school social rights are
being violated every day that you prove
[2:16:12] us from the park.
>> First of all, it's not the city not the
[2:16:15] city council's responsibility.
They presented information that
[2:16:21] there's nothing to improve or deny when
a study is presented to us.
[2:16:25] » No, but but there is when you're doing
parking and spending city funds on
[2:16:29] crosswalks.
>> No, actually there isn't. That was a
[2:16:32] currency to the council.
>> What about the municipal code that says
[2:16:37] that they have The signs are put up
under the direction of the governing
[2:16:41] board.
>> Oh, the parking you're talking about in
[2:16:43] the city. In the city in the
>> the parking signs out there.
[2:16:47] » Okay. I don't know about that.
>> Okay.
[2:16:51] You're the one who brought them.
>> Yeah, I probably
[2:17:06] don't. park in the parking lot
>> is red curving
[2:17:11] » but we don't have parking lot
[2:17:18] » to me is the exact same thing
[2:17:24] » they want you in the park thanks for
your time we'll talk
[2:17:31] » no I know
[2:17:35] » I need my water thirst
[2:17:39] That's a good idea,
>> but I'm happy to talk about it.
[2:17:42] » Okay, so
[2:17:47] it's always good.
>> Okay. All right. Well, thank you, Chief.
[2:17:49] Appreciate your presentation and and
finally getting the report is amazing.
[2:17:53] » Getting it all together.
[3:21:09] That was just a joke.
>> I think we need to edit this and take
[3:21:12] out the brief.
>> Yeah, seriously. So, did you
[3:21:19] Yeah, we got to do that.
[3:21:28] » I know.
[3:21:32] » So, I
still
[3:21:36] » person
[3:21:41] whatever. Yeah, I'll be there.
>> Here.
[3:21:46] » Okay. You mean to make a motion to
extend the meeting?
[3:21:51] » Okay. Yeah, sure.
>> Go ahead.
[3:21:53] » I'd like to make a motion to extend the
meeting till
[3:21:56] » I can't type
>> 9:45.
[3:22:02] » How about that?
>> 9:35.
[3:22:06] » Up to
>> Okay. Is there a second?
[3:22:09] » I'll second.
>> Okay. It's been moved by Councilwoman
[3:22:12] Blackwells and seconded by Councilman
Rumler.
[3:22:16] » Andrew Young. Yes.
Brown rumble. Yes.
[3:22:19] » Oh, Sarah Blackwell. Yes. Handman. Yes.
In the interest of time only.
[3:22:23] » Okay.
>> Okay. Um Kaden.
[3:22:30] » Uh the only update I have is just I
think we had a successful round of
[3:22:34] committee meetings for the finalization
of the small area plan. I think everyone
[3:22:39] participated from the council. I think
almost everyone participated from the
[3:22:43] planning commission as well as Andy
Spencer. Uh, so I think it was really
[3:22:48] well done. I think we have the updates
we want. The next I think at the next
[3:22:52] council meeting I'll have those updates
ready for you to have a final approval
[3:22:55] on them and then I will send them back
to the consultant.
[3:22:58] » Okay.
>> Thanks.
[3:23:04] » Wait, Kayen, it doesn't have to go back
to the planning commission at all. And I
[3:23:09] thought you wanted a public hearing. No.
Oh, that's after the final.
[3:23:14] » What were the last step? What are the
last steps we have to do to make it
[3:23:18] approved?
>> So, it's already done the public
[3:23:20] hearing. I think we are open to having
another one. I don't know if it's
[3:23:23] required.
>> So, we did two already. I think that's
[3:23:25] what Ryan was talking about before.
Yeah,
[3:23:27] » they did the initial public hearing, but
it didn't get noticed very well. And so,
[3:23:31] a lot of people said, "Hey, I wanted to
come talk about that."
[3:23:34] » And so, they held a second public
hearing with the planning commission.
[3:23:37] So, when you referenced that in your
notes, I think that was the second one
[3:23:39] Ryan was talking about.
>> I thought Shane had advised that. Have
[3:23:42] you have you have you not
>> you can
[3:23:46] you can have one if you choose. I think
>> I meant when it's like done done before
[3:23:51] we vote and approve it.
>> I don't think it's required but you
[3:23:55] could it seems like we might have done
that with the conservation easement.
[3:24:00] » That was much more controversial.
>> And so our general feeling is it's been
[3:24:04] out in the public enough and that would
be an unnecessary step. I just want to
[3:24:08] be clear. Yeah, that's that's my
feeling. Unless someone has a other
[3:24:13] points to the contrary.
>> You're saying you want to just end it at
[3:24:18] this and vote on it and like approve it.
>> Yeah, there's no two public hearings.
[3:24:22] » It would be an unrequired like going an
extra step.
[3:24:24] » It's not required, right?
>> Not required.
[3:24:26] » Well, if everyone feels comfortable with
all the changes, I say a good vote on it
[3:24:29] is good. Okay.
>> We've all put a lot of input into it.
[3:24:33] » Can we send you any last things or is
there a Here here's one thing that I can
[3:24:37] foresee happening. I can foresee you
bringing it forward and Andrew being
[3:24:41] like, I want to change that one little
little thing and these guys getting mad.
[3:24:45] Um, can you send it to us like a couple
days before? So, if there's any last
[3:24:49] things that were like, oh,
>> that's a good idea.
[3:24:51] » This last thing,
>> could we just buffer this?
[3:24:54] » Yeah, don't send it to us on Friday.
That thing is massive. Okay. Can you
[3:24:57] just give us like, guys, have a review
any last changes?
[3:25:01] » Give everybody a deadline.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Because cuz
[3:25:04] » so the deadline September 1st is what
Chrissy originally set up
[3:25:07] » to get our edits to you.
>> Yes. And so all the next meeting
[3:25:10] September
>> was the deadline.
[3:25:13] » Last Tuesday.
>> No, it's in a week from today.
[3:25:15] » Oh, so you want edits by But we don't
even know what the final edits are
[3:25:17] because he's doing all the changes we
made.
[3:25:19] » That's what that's what he's saying. No,
no. If
[3:25:21] » when is he going to get that version to
us?
[3:25:23] » We're talking about when he gives us the
final. It's like when you read a
[3:25:25] contract, you read it one time.
>> He knows. But
[3:25:28] » so yeah, so the next meeting is in two
weeks, September 8th. If the final edits
[3:25:32] are due September 1st,
when do you want that document?
[3:25:36] » The second week of the second meeting.
>> Oh, okay.
[3:25:41] » What do you mean the second meeting?
>> Prior to
[3:25:43] » Well, because the consultant is trying
to make all our edits.
[3:25:46] » No, no, no, no. He's making the edit.
>> I thought you were saying we wanted you
[3:25:48] wanted one more look before I give it to
the consultant.
[3:25:51] » We have to approve the edits before they
go to the consultant.
[3:25:54] » Oh, you're right. That was in there.
Thank you for that. I I forgot. One more
[3:25:58] vote after that to Thank you, Brent.
That's why you're a lawyer.
[3:26:02] » Okay. Thank you.
>> Yeah. There's one vote for the edits
[3:26:05] approved. There's one vote for the
adoption. So that'll
[3:26:08] » work. So we need to approve the edits on
the 8th is what you're saying.
[3:26:11] » And that's what we'd like to get a week
ahead of time if we can.
[3:26:14] » Yeah.
>> Time to
[3:26:16] » How soon can you get this to council?
>> But don't do you still have the
[3:26:19] spreadsheet?
>> Yeah. I mean I have everything ready. I
[3:26:22] know we're we're keeping the date open
till the first, but maybe I'll just try
[3:26:25] to send it out that same day.
>> I think I think we're done. I think we
[3:26:29] need that's our deadline too to get it
back to you by the first.
[3:26:32] » Yeah.
>> Okay.
[3:26:32] » Like if you can just email it in the
next few days and we can get it back to
[3:26:36] you by the first.
>> Okay.
[3:26:37] » Thank you, Kayen. Anything else? I can
do
[3:26:40] » Oh, and then Shane was having me bring
up So, we do have our consultant, we've
[3:26:44] had three consultant groups that are
willing to do the code update for the
[3:26:49] small area plan for us that have set
sent in RFPs. So, we're going to look at
[3:26:55] what we think of those three, which
one's the best, and then we'll I think
[3:26:58] we'll have that maybe at the next
meeting as well, right?
[3:27:00] » So, that should be able to hit the
ground running when this gets adopted.
[3:27:04] » We're also thinking that if it works out
well with the relationship that we might
[3:27:09] go with that firm and approach them
about our planner part time.
[3:27:14] » Okay. Anything else, Shane?
>> Uh,
[3:27:18] yeah. So, let's see. Just Alpine Days.
Uh Heidi's not here right now, but she
[3:27:25] did awesome. She worked herself to
death.
[3:27:28] » She really did. And
>> yeah, she needed the week off
[3:27:33] » and she'll be back to work tomorrow. But
um so there'll be a report. It takes
[3:27:38] quite a while to get everything in and
um we have couple things to follow up
[3:27:43] on. Um we'll report on that later.
uh
[3:27:49] Burgess Park Burgess Park court
lighting. Um that project there were two
[3:27:55] left. I'm not sure what the hold up was,
but I haven't made it down there to see
[3:27:58] if they were finished. But everything I
hear, they love the new lights and it
[3:28:03] was 100% grant funded. Um which is
great.
[3:28:07] » I had people reach out thanking you for
that and saying how wonderful they were.
[3:28:10] Whitey Whitey Anson reached out. So it
was massive improvement. Yeah, I've
[3:28:14] tried to call him a few times and we
played phone tag, so I haven't actually
[3:28:17] got to talk to him.
>> He wants to give you a hug.
[3:28:19] » He's traveling.
>> Yeah. Um,
[3:28:23] uh, I brought up at our Lone Peak staff
meeting, uh, a month ago, I guess, about
[3:28:29] our the check that we should be getting
from fund balance, and that did come
[3:28:33] last week. Um,
let's see. LPC, I mentioned the 6,000
[3:28:40] foot lot thing. It's kind of concerning.
>> Um, they also brought up potential
[3:28:48] legislation on flaw cameras and license
plate reader type cameras. That might be
[3:28:54] coming. Um, and then fireworks. They
think that they'll
[3:28:58] I thought it was going to go the other
way because of the fireworks lobby and
[3:29:02] maybe it will in the end, but um the
thought right now is that they would
[3:29:06] make it an easier process in the
situation we had this year for a city to
[3:29:11] put further restrictions in.
>> That would be so we'll see where that
[3:29:15] all goes.
>> Uh
[3:29:19] the I work uh Don's continuing to work
on the onboarding there. Um I texted him
[3:29:25] but I haven't heard back yet to see. It
should be it was like six weeks and I
[3:29:30] think we're there. So we're about there.
Said that's going well.
[3:29:37] Got the 912 day of service coming up.
911 day on the the 11th or on the 12th.
[3:29:44] Yeah.
>> Um there will be some good projects
[3:29:47] there.
>> Does that start at 9:00 a.m.?
[3:29:50] » Uh I don't know on the timing right now.
They'll be publishing it. They have a
[3:29:54] website and everything.
>> It's either eight or nine. I can't
[3:29:57] remember what they said.
>> And some of them like they're building a
[3:30:00] trail bridge. Sometimes they'll start at
six just getting the cool weather and
[3:30:04] whatever. But
>> so more information to come there.
[3:30:08] » And that's all I have right now.
>> So I read that the governor's office was
[3:30:13] going to be doing an audit on the
looking for potential misuse for the
[3:30:18] flot cameras. there might be something
coming from the state to because I know
[3:30:22] that some of the concern the main
concern is abuse of the of the of the
[3:30:28] system. So it sounds like the governor's
office is going to commission an audit
[3:30:31] of that.
That's all.
[3:30:34] » Okay.
>> I don't have anything.
[3:30:37] » Okay. Chrissy,
>> just a reminder, just a reminder,
[3:30:42] tomorrow at noon, there's training on
our roles for our city of a mayor vibe
[3:30:50] council organization.
Um, sponsored by the Utah League of
[3:30:54] [clears throat] Towns at noon. That's
it.
[3:30:57] » Um, okay. Uh, some of these we went
over, we I sent the signs. So, you're
[3:31:04] all aware of that, right, Shane? You're
aware of the no dog leash and I think he
[3:31:09] knows.
>> Yeah, Heidi's working on it. She just
[3:31:11] got back in town.
>> Thank you for all that.
[3:31:13] » Hey, that training is actually Thursday.
>> Oh,
[3:31:17] » thank you. It's Thursday.
>> Well, that makes it easier.
[3:31:20] » I have it on the wrong day on my own
personal calendar. Thank you.
[3:31:27] » Um, okay.
There was a crosswalks um
[3:31:32] agenda item that Jessica and I had sent
to y'all. Um should we do any planning
[3:31:38] to get that ready or anything for that?
>> I it's it's for some of the crosswalks
[3:31:43] they brought up but for painting some
>> uh I sent it on I so I just wondered if
[3:31:49] we should be prepared for next week or
the or the next meeting or which meeting
[3:31:52] for that one.
>> There there were some general locations
[3:31:55] but some of them weren't exact.
I think we just need to talk. I don't
[3:31:59] even I don't know that it's going to
need to come to the council unless it's
[3:32:03] a new one that requires a warrant study.
>> So, do you just want us to Well, it was
[3:32:07] two of them were new, two of them were
uh to paint over.
[3:32:12] » The genesis of it was when we were
watching the Mountainville Academy
[3:32:16] parking and we realized where people
were parking and the new one looks good
[3:32:20] and people can see it and the older ones
around there. And then we thought of the
[3:32:23] other well mostly because Alpine days
were next to the kid with his leg, you
[3:32:27] know, in a stretcher thing who got hit
where they were talking about the Grove
[3:32:33] and Alpine Boulevard. That's the other
one. So, what would be the proper
[3:32:37] format? Uh because if we did the two
signature thing, would should we just go
[3:32:41] directly have a meeting with you or
something?
[3:32:43] » So, on that one, I mean, if the council
wants us to
[3:32:46] » is that something we should
>> look at a warrant study for a four-way
[3:32:49] stop there, we can do that.
>> Well, it wasn't for the four-way. It was
[3:32:52] just for crosswalks. We can add that if
you want, but it was for crosswalks.
[3:32:56] » How much are warrant studies? Just out
of curiosity,
[3:33:00] » they're not cheap. Um, I'm trying to
remember.
[3:33:05] » Look one up that we did on Westfield and
see what it
[3:33:08] » we have to have a warrant study to put
in a four-way stop.
[3:33:12] » Um, that's what the MUTCD says. Um there
might be
[3:33:19] a little provision in there something
about local approvals but they recommend
[3:33:24] it's I might say guidance.
>> So for speed sakes would it be okay just
[3:33:28] to do a discussion item on those and
then we can just talk about it and
[3:33:31] figure out what direction everyone wants
to go for those crosswalks and
[3:33:35] potentially a stop sign.
>> I would like to I would like to find out
[3:33:40] if it's warranted now. Right.
>> Okay. So maybe a discussion item on
[3:33:43] that. Is that okay with the downhill
speeds there? I think that's that's kind
[3:33:47] of a a nasty intersection.
>> I I live off road and I've seen
[3:33:52] » Yeah,
>> people expect I'd be in favor of people
[3:33:54] expect it to be a four-way stop. So
sometimes
[3:33:57] » Well, what would you all like to do? A
discussion item, a vote, or should I
[3:34:00] just go directly through Shane to try to
help with the crosswalks?
[3:34:02] » I mean, I don't think it won't be over
15,000. So on on the the four-way stop
[3:34:09] warrant.
>> So
[3:34:11] » why would you like me to do I'm happy to
do whatever. I think it's I think we
[3:34:14] should
>> You're saying that there was one
[3:34:15] conducted according to that resident
like a few years ago and it didn't
[3:34:19] warrant one
>> conducted what Jed did. He looked at he
[3:34:22] contacted the police department and look
for crash history. So that's one of the
[3:34:26] bullet points as part of the warrant
study and the crash history didn't meet
[3:34:32] what the warrant said it should to
justify a four-way stop.
[3:34:36] » Is that just one factor though?
>> That's one of the factors.
[3:34:39] » But you have to meet like a serious
>> We didn't do we didn't do a warrant
[3:34:41] study. No,
>> I I I would I would be in favor of doing
[3:34:44] a war study.
>> I as well I would be in favor of that.
[3:34:48] » Okay. All right.
>> What else? Sandra.
[3:34:50] » Well, hold on. That took a turn.
>> Uh I guess I can work on that then.
[3:34:56] Jessica, if Jessica was here, she would
be saying this. Um there, this is with
[3:35:01] Sarah. We have the zoning change
meeting. If anyone else wants to be
[3:35:04] involved in that, just as a heads up,
it's on the back side of uh on the back
[3:35:10] side of Main Street looking at some of
the houses to change the zoning to
[3:35:14] residential. So, that's a meeting we're
having and if that's something that any
[3:35:19] of you have any problems with or
concerns, let let us know. Um that we
[3:35:24] have a height fix meeting, a speed
reduction one, and then I sent with
[3:35:28] Brent and I the fire uh the fire
mitigation project. Is there anything
[3:35:33] that holds that up or does it just come
forward?
[3:35:34] » Well, we were going to ask the chief to
you asked the chief to
[3:35:38] » he came by and talked to me. He didn't
say any problems. He says he wants to
[3:35:40] walk it, but I don't again this is most
of these are I'm just bringing up
[3:35:43] because of process we both signed. Does
it come up for a vote? Do we or do we
[3:35:48] need like the chief to okay it for a
vote? Is there kind of like that as
[3:35:52] well?
>> I would like the chief's input. But in
[3:35:54] » Okay. So, maybe walk it with them. Is
that
[3:35:56] » in light of the new information that we
do have a completed CWPP
[3:36:01] » because I had heard it's, you know, it's
almost done. It's almost done. It's
[3:36:04] almost done. This is actually the first
time that I've heard that it's actually
[3:36:08] completed. I would really like to look
at our resources to be able to um go for
[3:36:14] a larger chunk of money. Okay.
>> And to really kind of go after these,
[3:36:18] you know, border areas.
>> This project was only three grand. So
[3:36:21] just it was it's the whole just so you
know it's the um it's from basically the
[3:36:26] entire trail from the river trail. So
when you're in Lambert it's the river
[3:36:31] trail to the Zurker's house. It's that
trail and there's just to have a walk on
[3:36:35] it. There's dead wood dead the entire
way both sides. So it's just to clear
[3:36:40] that out. No living no nothing. Uh I
think we could do it in volunteers. So
[3:36:46] » yeah let's get the opinion of the chief
and then move forward.
[3:36:48] » Okay. That gives me d that gives me
direction. That's a good start.
[3:36:51] » Okay. Uh the there's you already went
over the flock cameras. Deian's going to
[3:36:57] send that. And then
>> um there's a running thing in a CP3
[3:37:01] thing that we submitted. Are you okay
with those? Are those okay?
[3:37:05] » Those present presentations. Do do you
by chance know will those be next
[3:37:09] council meeting or we don't know yet.
>> I think we'll look at the agenda and see
[3:37:12] how it looks like. Like
>> we'll let you know.
[3:37:14] » This is the issue. We thought this
meeting would be over before now and
[3:37:18] it's
>> last one is the fences. You just want me
[3:37:20] to give you exact places where you want
me to put that and that's the last
[3:37:24] thing.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm I think I have a little
[3:37:27] bit of input, but I from what I've
hearing from the council, you guys just
[3:37:30] want it to come as as you have it. And
so I think you putting it in the
[3:37:34] ordinance where you think it should go
is is a good
[3:37:37] » Is that still going to come up just as a
discussion item then or?
[3:37:40] » Yes. First,
>> if it's a discussion item, I think it
[3:37:43] would be okay just to bring it as is to
discuss each point and see if anyone has
[3:37:46] a problem with any of them. It's the
It's the fence ordinance basically just
[3:37:51] dialed down to it would do this, this,
and this. And if you have any problems
[3:37:55] with it, then I could put it into the
actual script.
[3:37:57] » But if I'm understanding what you're
proposing, you're saying add the
[3:38:00] language you sent me into the current
ordinance. Are you saying this is all
[3:38:04] we're we want now for the fence
ordinance?
[3:38:07] » Well, it's just the original concept.
Uh, it's the original concept 8 foot to
[3:38:12] six feet unless it's open.
>> Yeah. uh strategy,
[3:38:14] » but do you want all the other lang
because there's a lot of language in the
[3:38:17] fence ordinance longer than what you
sent me.
[3:38:19] » Do you want that still there plus
everything you have or
[3:38:23] » Oh, yeah. It just changes minor words in
the current fence
[3:38:26] » or so that that's the only reason I was
suggesting if you want to just put it
[3:38:29] where you think all these should go.
>> Yeah,
[3:38:31] » that will help us I think with a
productive discussion.
[3:38:33] » I think I think that's it.
>> Will we um will we also get your
[3:38:37] thoughts on
>> Yeah, I'm happy to provide my thoughts
[3:38:40] as well. I'd like to know that for sure.
Yeah. Then to be totally clear on the
[3:38:45] process, it will have to go back. If
there's
[3:38:48] » if the council says, "Hey, we want this
to move forward." Then it would have to
[3:38:52] go back, have a public hearing, go
through planning commission, they make a
[3:38:55] recommendation, council,
>> and it would be on here for action.
[3:38:58] » Right. We're we're greasing our joints
for how we do this. So, thanks.
[3:39:01] » Just make sure that's everything. Thank
you.
[3:39:03] » Okay. Um just the centric com if you
guys can help spread the word to ask
[3:39:08] people to take a screenshot of their
speed tests and then they can um email
[3:39:13] me and then the city needs to make a map
and so we need the data in order to get
[3:39:17] that to centric com before they can get
started and then should we talk about
[3:39:21] the donation?
So we have a donation from a resident um
[3:39:27] but it is not coming directly to the
city. It's going towards projects that
[3:39:31] this person is supporting. $100,000 to
the mountain bike trail that is
[3:39:36] currently being um worked on in Three
Falls, $150,000 going to the rodeo, and
[3:39:42] then $250,000 going towards playground
equipment for one of the rings at
[3:39:48] Creekide. So that's
>> the rings.
[3:39:52] » That's very generous.
>> Please tell them thank you. That's very
[3:39:55] generous.
>> Thank you, whoever you are, resident.
[3:39:57] » Going to remain anonymous. Um I I wasn't
quite sure how they wanted it. No, the
[3:40:03] the playground one it will have a
plaque. Um and then the trail I believe
[3:40:10] will have a name associated with it. And
then I'm not sure about the rodeo. We
[3:40:18] don't have um this came I'm asking which
is awesome about this donation but the
[3:40:23] heritage foundation um is trying to come
up with a naming process and ordinance
[3:40:28] so that when they get these donations
for the sculpture garden and it needs to
[3:40:32] be consistent with what we do. So as far
as I know we don't have a naming
[3:40:36] ordinance and I know we did the softball
I'm sorry the baseball park too. So, is
[3:40:42] can we add that to your list, Kaden, to
>> we we already have it on there
[3:40:46] » to make sure that we get that in place
so that they're in compliance with ours
[3:40:50] instead of the other way around.
>> So, Steve and I met with Bob Hansen just
[3:40:54] over a Zoom call last Friday, I think,
and talked about this and and some other
[3:41:02] things. And they're getting their
attorney to talk to Steve because Steve
[3:41:06] had some concerns with some things that
just needed to be ironed out. So, it's
[3:41:10] that's why it wasn't presented tonight.
It's still being worked on.
[3:41:15] » So, um is is ours more restrictive?
>> Um so,
[3:41:22] » less restrictive.
>> We don't have a gift acceptance policy.
[3:41:26] And so, that's that's what they said a
lot of cities that they work with will
[3:41:32] adopt.
>> The Heritage Foundation said that. Okay.
[3:41:35] » So, that's that's what we're working on.
So that would would whatever we do would
[3:41:40] apply equally to the sculpture garden as
well as like a private donation even
[3:41:44] like our new building over here. All of
that would fall under one umbrella.
[3:41:48] » I think I think so. I haven't seen an
ordinance like this but I think so.
[3:41:53] » So we talked about that a couple years
ago when we did baseball name like we
[3:41:56] don't want to do it in perpetuity. Let's
have some standards.
[3:41:59] » So just to be clear the donation
>> Ryan was working on it and he just never
[3:42:03] got it
>> finished.
[3:42:06] » Okay. Anything else? If not, I'll
entertain a motion to adjurnn.
[3:42:12] » I'll make a motion to adjurnn.
>> Is there a second?
[3:42:14] » Second.
>> Okay. All in favor?
[3:42:17] » I
>> I
[3:42:18] » We did it by 9:45.
[3:42:23] » Yeah.
[3:42:27] » Good night, everybody. Late breath
midnight.