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There we go.

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Okay, we will convene our Board of Supervisors meeting. Today is December 5th, 2017.

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It's nine o'clock, and please note that all supervisors are present. And the Pledge of Allegiance, and Dennis Lampson will lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance.

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United

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States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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Thank you.

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Okay.

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We'll move on to item number three, oral communication.

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General public comment.

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This portion of the meeting is an opportunity for members of the public to address the

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Board of Supervisors on subjects relating to county business.

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No action can be taken on matters not listed on the agenda.

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Each member of the public who wishes to address the board shall be allotted three minutes

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and no more than three individuals shall address the same subject.

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Time permitting at the discretion of the chair, time allotted may be increased or decreased

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depending on the number of speakers and available time.

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So is there anyone here with oral communication?

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Okay, that's interesting. Very interesting. Okay. I think once. Okay. Moving on to department announcements. Are there any department announcements? This can't be. Okay.

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Nicole Williamson, Health and Human Services Director, and I have quite a few, so I think nobody else raised their hand.

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Okay, first I want to tell you about the holiday food program update.

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We are accepting applications through Friday, and they are available at HHS, Tribal TANF,

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Behavioral Health, and Embare Valley at the Sheriff's Department.

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On this side of the slope, we're going to be doing the distribution on the 20th, and

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we are working to coordinate the distribution in Embare Valley, but it will be around

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the same time.

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We're still taking donations for food or gifts.

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The giving trees are still up, and so if anyone would like to get a tag off the giving tree

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and buy a gift for a child directly, you can still do that.

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And next, I would like to introduce our new first five executive director, Hannah Morizoko.

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Hi.

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She comes to us from Lake Tahoe and she was working for Live Violence Free, who, you

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know, provides services in Alpine County.

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I'm very grateful to be here, and it's, I've only been on the job for about three

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weeks now a little less and finally got the wheels turning and things happening

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and I'm excited to be supporting the community. So nice to meet you all. Yeah

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nice to meet you and I saw your email regarding the website so that was

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interesting information. Yeah we have a brand new website that was one of the

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things I wanted to do kind of give us a facelift so you're welcome to check

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it out. It's first5alpine.com and you'll notice there's a new look

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there and some added resources and things as well.

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Well, thank you, Hannah.

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Yeah, you're welcome.

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And last but not least, I have Dennis Lampson

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who's going to give you all an update

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about environmental health.

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Good.

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Dennis Lampson, environmental health.

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Three things I want to just update the board.

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First of all, if you've been out to Carson River Resort,

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you may have noticed oil orders do not drink posted

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on all the cabins in the store

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In November, the owner collected a water sample out there, came back positive for both

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coliform and fecal coliform.

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Fecal coliform indicates that we have either animal or human species in the water,

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and so we conducted a thorough sanitary survey last week with their

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certified operator Tony Galvez.

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Did not find any problems, believed it was a sampling problem.

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re-sampled last week, and I'm back negative, so that boil order will be in that out there.

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I had questions that somebody's called. That's what happened.

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Tony will be doing all the sampling out there. They're certified operator.

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Secondly, switching to sewage disposal. Our LAMP, the county, is required to submit a local area management plan to the regional board.

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board. This will replace our MOU with the county. I think they talked about this earlier.

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And we submitted that for review to the regional board to Lohanton. In December last year,

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we got comments back last month in November. And I have a meeting with Rob Tucker, their

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staff person, in two weeks. And we will be making the final changes on that, working

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out those last conditions in the length and that will come back to the county

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for supervisors in January for approval. The lamp will be our new management plan

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that will discuss how the health department of the county will be

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issuing permits and conducting the on-site sewage disposal system. So you'll hear

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more about that. Thirdly, our public water system evaluation. Every year in the

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summer we are audited by the State Water Resources Control Board, Division of

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Drinking Water. They send a team of five people out to audit our program and this

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year we they have eight directives for us to complete. Last year we had 20.

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using, which is a little more rigorous and unless you're in compliance with all of these

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items, you receive this.

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The county has not met the objectives.

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So anyway, I've gone through that with them.

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I don't believe there's any of the eight items on there that we will not be able to

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They've asked for a response letter in December, and I will be submitting that if the county

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intends to hold it.

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I've overseen this program for 25 years and I can tell you I'm not concerned with it.

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I believe that the counties probably are water programs in better shape now than it was in

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91 when I took over that program and it's a change in how they're doing their evaluations.

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It used to be under the California Department of Public Health two years ago switched

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over to the State Water Resources Control Board and that evaluation process has changed

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changed its format a little bit.

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So anyway, that will be addressed this month.

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This is one of these unfunded mandatory programs

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that we have.

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We're required to implement this drinking water program,

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our regulated facilities, want the county to be doing this.

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Some of the counties have given it back to the state.

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Alpine County has consistently, we've kept the program

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And that's been at really the direction of both the board and our water system owners and operators out there

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So I don't see a problem

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With that if anything does come up, I'll get come back to the board and report to you

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Thank you for the updates. Yeah

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Appreciate it questions

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Um in in other jurisdictions I've seen

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I mean, annually, the water suppliers have to publish analysis of how good or how bad

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their water is.

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I think it's an EPA regulation or something like that.

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We don't do that here.

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Is that because of the size of the system?

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AR required to file an annual report.

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It's called a Drink Report on V-R-I-N-C dot C-A dot GOV.

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You can go out there.

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Anybody can go out and look at that.

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that. All of our water systems do that annually. I bring them into the office. They complete

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that. It's about a 15-page report and it describes the entire water system. We'll also discuss

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whether there's been any enforcement actions or violations or where they haven't met

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water quality standards. That's all that goes into that report. But it is a public

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report. It's on the web.

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Thank you. If I may, at our last law on regional water quality control board meeting they did

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discuss notice of violations and the report, the full report from that meeting in November is at the

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library. The question

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I have is looks like February 1st is going to be rather busy. Of the eight,

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four of them are going to be due that day. Are they a lot of them or it seems like they're

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related to me, but I guess I'm a layman looking at this.

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They're not that related?

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Some of those have already been completed.

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And there shouldn't be a problem competing with that.

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A lot of this is they've increased the state reporting,

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the mandate for reporting.

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That's kind of the bulk of this.

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There's other things like inventory items,

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updating the inventory.

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I was telling Nicole on the way down here.

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We do this constantly.

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It was on the report last year.

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This year they came out and they found two water systems that were listed as surface water

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systems.

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And I said, no, one was sand flats on a hand pump, a well.

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I said, no, these are groundwater sources.

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Well, the county's got to change that.

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Well, of course we're going to change it.

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We'll go in and make the changes in the state database.

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Well, we're going to list it as a directive.

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How I'd ever got on there.

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I have no idea.

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happened either in the database or somebody in Sacramento but we get hit

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with a violation on there so this is kind of the stuff we're dealing with. Thank

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you. Is that it? Okay. Great. Did you want to? Or it was Rita. Okay. I got confused

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in what hand was raised before. Good

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morning. A couple of announcements from

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the library. First, next week we're going to start cookies in Cider. They're

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They're not just cookies, they're fresh home baked cookies from the friends of the library

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and spiced, not spiced, spiced cider, and that'll be from December 13th through the 29th during

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our open hours.

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So come on down and partake of that activity.

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And on the 9th, which is this Saturday, we're going to have the Alpine Sandbox back

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again.

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Melissa Green, who's our volunteer, is going to be teaching anything iMac, iPad, iPhone

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related.

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And it's not structured, so if you have any general questions or friends that are going

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to be getting one of these devices or thinking about it, bring them along.

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And that's from 9 to 11 in the library.

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Along those lines, the friends of the library asked me to start putting

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out the word that they are looking for new members.

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We have fantastic officers and members and they have been doing so for well

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over a decade and they feel like they need some new life.

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And they are interested, if anyone is interested, you can contact me, Paula Pennington, Barbara Howard.

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And what they're looking for is people to attend monthly meetings.

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And it's very low-key.

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First Saturday of the month, sometimes if there's something else going on, the meetings are skipped.

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But basically you're planning events and projects and looking for people to help take on a little bit more of the workload.

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The pay is horrible, but the personal rewards are fantastic, so please let us know.

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And I wanted to mention too, and I think Supervisor Woodrow is going to talk about a little bit more,

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but the Bear Valley Post Office is threatening to close the 27th of this month,

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and I don't know how I can explain it clearly.

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I'm sure I'm preaching to the choir, but that would have a devastating impact

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on library services for one but all county services not to mention residents

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who live in Bear Valley and businesses and businesses yes everyone

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associated with that just to think about driving to Arnold you know 25 miles

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one way and treacherous roads on dry pavement not to mention in winter

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conditions you know and the costs involved in that too we would have to

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paying staff time to go check the mail you know the implications are far

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reaching so I'm hoping that we come up with another solution to closing that

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library I mean closing that post office and

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One more thing I wanted to bring to your attention is that net neutrality, once again, is on the

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forefront. We dodged this bullet a couple years back during the Obama administration who fortunately

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supported net neutrality. Once again, it's threatened to be reversed. And I know that this can be somewhat

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of a complicated topic, it seems like there's a lot of confusion around it.

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But basically, if net neutrality is reversed, it's going to mean that we're going to get maybe the same

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but probably less service for more money, and our choices are going to decrease.

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And kind of a good analogy of that would be if Liberty Energy came to us and said,

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Well, you're going to get power.

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You might get the same, you might get a little bit less,

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but your rates are going to go up.

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And by the way, you're going to have to choose.

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Do you want to run your oven, your refrigerator,

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or your stove, or do you want to run all three?

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Or would you like to use the vacuum?

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You know, and you're going to have to choose

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what you're going to want to do when you get the power.

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And that's kind of how net neutrality will change

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if it is reversed.

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And another far-reaching implication of that would be the companies that make these decisions can also influence what kinds of products we use.

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Like if you want to use Amazon, if you want to go to Netflix, if you want to do Facebook, there's going to be different packages, different prices, and things set for that.

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And to go back to the Liberty Energy analogy, it would be akin to saying,

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OK, you can use your stove, but we're going to make it really easy for you to use LG products.

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You can use Whirlpool, but it may have little glitches here and there,

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and it'll make it so that you're going to have to end up using LG anyway.

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And I don't know if this explanation or analogy is helping or not,

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But we're going to have some information on our Facebook page.

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And I would encourage everyone to do some research because it will affect every single one of us if it is reversed.

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And I'm happy to talk with all of you or anyone in the public if you have questions.

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So I would encourage you to again do that research and write Senator McClintock and ask him to please Congressman.

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I always get that.

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So it should be Senator instead of Congressman.

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Is this a federal issue?

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It is a federal issue.

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It is a federal issue.

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So please write your representative.

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Congressman McClintock, let him know that you want to keep the internet neutral.

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Thanks.

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Thank you.

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We have to break off from that right now and go to a 915 item.

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8.1, 915, continued update and presentation by the U.S. Forest Service Representatives regarding issues affecting Alpine County.

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Is there anybody here from the Forest Service? I didn't think so. I was looking around.

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Okay, so we will go back to Department announcements. Are there any other Department announcements?

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announcements. Okay, hearing none, we will move on to board member announcements or reports.

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So, David.

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Thank you. The 28th of November to the 1st of December, I attended CSAC. Supervisor Jardine

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had asked me to talk to some of the other representatives there about the Lands Pass

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program for cattle fishing wildlife. And all of the representatives I talked to there

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from rural counties we're very surprised they do nothing about it so I'll be

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taking that up tomorrow morning at RCRC as well.

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Primary value for me in going to

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CSAC is the networking. Many of the workshops and so on like that I think

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we most of us know a lot of that stuff but the networking is very helpful and

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they also have one workshop called County Roundtable where any county that

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has a unique program or something they're very proud of can stand up for

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three minutes and give a quick description of it, and later on there's a roundtable session

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that people who are interested in that particular topic can meet with that person and discuss

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it and learn more.

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I found that helpful as well.

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There was a panel with correspondence from political in the Los Angeles Times on politics.

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It was very obvious that they were urban-based.

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I raised the question of what could they tell us about the prospects for the Forest

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Resiliency Act, which is important to forested counties all over the nation, and they'd never

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heard of it, which was surprising, but that's the way it is.

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For the fun run, the good news is that Alpine had the highest participation rate of any

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county.

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That's as far as I'm going to go with that.

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On Saturday, I passed through the Magical March Leibow Christmas Fair and this afternoon I have the Board of Equalization

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and in the evening the Outland Biomass Committee at Turtle Rock Park, Devin Snyder of the University of Nevada, Reno

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will be giving a presentation on Pinyon Juniper. Most of our county is covered with mixed conifer forest

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but there's a large part of it on the eastern side of the county that has

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been in June for her and we've been ignoring that. Tomorrow I have RCRC and

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Sacramento in the morning and then I hope to make it to the SNC reception in

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McCollumee Hill in the afternoon evening. 13th of December, two turkeys.

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One is the county Potluck and then supervising our gene probably,

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Jardine and I will probably have another one in the evening at the Carson Water

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your sub-conservancy district.

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So Tahoe PUD, I did get a list of labs from the

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State Water Resources Control Board that can do the required analysis and I've

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given that information to Gavin Feiger of the Alpine Watershed Group and Richard

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Harvey as well. So it looks like that they will be able to, there are some

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labs in California that can do this work.

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And then the last thing I have is

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Senate Bill 5, $4 billion parks and water bond issue.

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We discussed briefly at last meeting.

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We'll be on the June 18, 2018 ballot,

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but the $8 billion California water infrastructure

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and watershed conservation bond initiative

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is still in the signature gathering phase,

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and so it may make the November 2018 ballot,

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but it's unlikely to make the June ballot.

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And that's all I have.

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Thank you. Ron.

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I also attended the CSAC convention. It was really quite an amazing event to have actually in Sacramento where I think we should have it every year.

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I also asked every supervisor about the lands pass bill and did not know one other supervisor that knew of it.

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It was an eye-opener for all of them.

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And then I took advantage of being down there to actually go to the CSAC class on Friday

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as well, which is really a great class, and I'll talk to you more offline about that.

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And later today we have the ABC meeting, we have our Board of Equalization meeting,

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and I also will be in McCallamy Hill tomorrow and the next day as well.

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So I'm going to drop it right there.

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Okay, thank you. Donald.

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Just a few quick things.

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I wanted to offer special thanks and recognition

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for the Christmas boughs around Markleville.

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Again, put up by Gary and Barbara Howard, Paula Pennington, Jim Dunn,

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Jeannie Lear, Judy Farmsworth, Jerry and Jeanine Sprout.

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They did a remarkable job. They've been doing it for over 20 years

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and it's all volunteer and they saw it down in Amateur County

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in one small town many years ago and thought, gee, it's just a wonderful thing.

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The magical Christmas fairy that was just wonderful this last weekend, and also the

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pancake breakfast put on by our volunteer fire department, it was just over the top.

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I attended most of that, of course, I had my town hall meeting that morning at nine

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o'clock, well attended, and thank you, Tom, for donuts.

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He may have been.

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It was very interesting.

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Also the magical Christmas fair was the sponsors,

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Mary Ross and the Chamber of Commerce,

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the Search and Rescue and the Committee.

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I wanted to recognize our Community Development Department

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for doing the temporary repairs to the old schoolhouse up the museum.

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the flagpole. We had major water leaks inside and they did a great repair right

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after they put up the Christmas lights on the courthouse lawn. And I want to

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especially recognize community development department and the

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contractor for moving forward on the repairs to the county road up to the

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Markleville PUD treatment ponds here.

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It's major damage was done this last spring due to flooding,

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and they just did a wonderful job.

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I also would like to thank and recognize

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Caltrans for being so forthcoming regarding

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texting of highway road conditions,

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be it R2 road closed accidents.

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And that's been dispersed so far to emergency personnel

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within Alpine County and we'll see how far that goes. I also wanted to mention

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that the Carson Water Subconservacy District is having a water summit. I

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know it may not seem important but it is both in California and Nevada. This is

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at the governor's office in Nevada but a portion of the report will be

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discussing issues that came up before the Lahontan Regional Water Quality

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control board and the California water plan as sustainable flows. There was a

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significant report given before the Lahontan Water Board last month. I would

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like to mention that tonight I'm supposed to go to the Snowshoe Thompson

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Ski and Snowshoe celebration that's going to be held in February but meeting

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setup meeting is tonight in Genoa. But fortunately the historical

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society has been gracious enough to fill in for me. I wanted to mention also, and

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it's great to see Mr. Hilton here, that at our next South Tahoe Pewdy contract

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commission meeting in February they'll be talking about giving a tour of the

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treatment facility in Diamond Valley that is open to the public and will

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be advertised.

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The Historic Tourism Committee will be meeting on the 14th of this month

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at 3 o'clock in this room or the next room over, depending on how many people show up.

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And I've been working with the county clerk, Teola, regarding Department of Motor Vehicles

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providing satellite services to Alpine County. They used to come up from Southlake Tahoe

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In DMV, you can take your drive test, register vehicles one day a month in this very room.

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I know they've been doing it since the early 60s up until about three years ago.

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They quit doing it because of budget cuts.

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DMV is sending folks up from, employees up from Sacramento to meet with Teola and

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see what services we can provide.

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This will happen in January.

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There's no date set yet.

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but just a very preliminary meeting and along those lines just yesterday DMV is

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working with California well AAA and they provide DMV services in Carson City

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at their office so they provide California DMV services in Carson City

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you can register your new vehicle or transfer sales like that that's it for

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Thank you.

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Kathy.

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Wow, I know I've been busy, but maybe not as busy as Mr. Dardee.

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Okay.

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This afternoon we have the Board of Equalization meeting and tomorrow I will be attending the Child Abuse Prevention Council meeting.

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On the 8th I will be attending the historical records commission meeting and on the 12th

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I have a school board meeting in the evening and the 13th unfortunately I will not be able

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to attend the holiday potluck due to other commitments and I know that that's going

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to be a lot of fun and I regret missing it this year.

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Also, I wanted to mention that December the 14th at 6 o'clock at our Diamond Valley School

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will be, they're calling it, join us for the hot holiday spectacular.

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There will be singing, dancing, and much, much more.

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That's on December the 14th, sounds like a Christmas affair that you don't want to

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miss.

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And I also wanted to mention on behalf of the school, they're calling it local

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control accountability plan parent advisory committee they're looking for

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new members and to become a member you must be a parent or guardian of a

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student enrolled in Albuquerque school including the early learning center

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preschool or infrared program so if anyone is interested in participating

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on the PAT program please contact the district office at 694-2230 and that's

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Okay, since our last meeting, I also attended the California State Association of Counties,

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which is CSEC annual conference down in Sacramento last week and also attended their Board of

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Directors meeting on Thursday, the 30th, and we have Board of Equalization this afternoon.

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tomorrow, the Bear Valley community.

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Business members are meeting with the United States Postal Service in a meeting in Bear Valley

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regarding their closure notice for our post office, which they had notified us that they

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are, the first time we've been notified was on the 25th of November regarding a closure

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of our post office on the 27th of December. So we'll be addressing a letter that will

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be going out to them on that, but we're also meeting with them tomorrow.

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Next week on the 8th, I have Mountain Valley, I'm sorry on the 13th, I have Mountain Valley

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EMS meeting down in Copperopolis followed by the Calaveras County Tree Mortality Task Force

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core group meeting and so that's why I will not be able to be at the potluck

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And then also on the 16th we have our winter sports history night in Bear Valley.

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And that's always a lot of fun bringing up all the old sports history information

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and acknowledging people that participate in sports.

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So I will leave it at that.

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And we have a 930 item, 9.1 presentation by California Department of Fish and Wildlife Unit,

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Wildlife Biologist Shelly Blair and Ecological Reserve

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and Land Acquisition Coordinator Julie Horenstein regarding the Lands Pass Program,

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which now includes Hope Valley and possible discussion.

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Yes, and this is under your name.

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Yes, so back on November 7th, I believe, we received notice about the land passes, and that just does impact Tope Valley.

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A lot of you had questions, so we asked for them to come and give a presentation and explain the land passes and answer any of your questions.

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Okay, so if you can please step up to the podium. We have a microphone there.

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So this meeting is being recorded online, so people have to be able to hear you.

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That's why you have to speak into the microphone.

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Thank you.

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My name is Julie Hornstein.

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I want to thank you very much for inviting me to speak with you today.

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I work in the lands program of the California Department of Fish and Wildlife

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in the statewide headquarters in Sacramento.

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The lands program briefly, one thing we do is develop regulation change proposals that

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are required based on changes due to fishing game code that are passed by the state legislature.

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And we prepare those proposals for the Fishing Game Commission because they are the ones

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that have the authority to make regulation changes for public uses on Department of

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and wildlife lands.

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And then I also work with the regional staff

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to implement changes that result from the new regulations.

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So the

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land's passes are related to the funding situation

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for managing department lands.

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The department manages around the state 247

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wildlife areas and ecological reserves

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that are about a total of 967,000 acres.

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We have little or no general fund money on a given year to manage these lands.

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So this isn't paid for by regular taxes.

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The largest source of funding by far are sources of funding that are contributed by hunting and fishing,

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like hunting and fishing licenses, the federal fees, the federal excise taxes on hunting

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and fishing equipment, which come back to the state in large in grants.

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And then I wanted to mention that most of our funding sources are declining.

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For instance, there are a smaller number of hunters.

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Things of programs that used to give us more funds have declined.

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For instance, with environmental license plates and endangered species tax check off as there

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have been more and more different personalized license plates and more and more tax check

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off categories, we receive a smaller and smaller share of those.

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So our funding sources are declining,

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and this has been true, this has been going

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on, you know, for at least 20 years or more.

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So one of the responses by the legislature to this decline in the department, in our funds to manage department lands and conduct other work is to require the department to collect more in user fees.

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And they did this through passing legislation that either directly became part of the Fish

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and Game Code and required us to collect more from user fees.

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They also required a strategic vision be developed for the department in 2012, which was higher

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in agencies combined with constituent group representatives and academics that wrote the

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strategic vision that among other things said we needed to develop and implement equitable

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funding mechanisms by which, you know, saying we can't completely depend on hundreds and

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anglers because many other types of recreationists use our properties, use the Department of

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Fish and Wildlife Properties.

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Particularly key is a bill that passed in 2012

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that became Fish and Game Code section 1245.

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It's specifically called for expanding the Lands Pass

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program.

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So the commission and the department

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are instructed in that Fish and Game Code.

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I'm

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sorry, there's a misprint, it's Fish and Game Code 1745.

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I apologize for that.

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It's not 12 or 14.

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So we were instructed to expand the Lands Pass Program

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to wherever it's practical and cost effective.

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And practical is a bit of a relative term

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because the Department of Fish and Wildlife Lands

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aren't really set up the way state parks are

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with a very defined entrance space

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and staff at the front entrance and throughout the parking area to provide

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passes, with the exception being our larger staffed waterfowl areas during

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waterfowl season. So we have many access points.

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It's now the state rules

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that we don't sell, passes on our properties, we don't take any cash for anything on our

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properties.

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So the bar of what is considered practical on Department of Fish and Wildlife Lands

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is fairly low.

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But we focused on in working with our regional offices to identify all the,

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and we were

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for people involved that wanted to include all 247 properties.

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We considered visitor use, areas that have special attributes that are special, either

461
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:32,300
wildlife viewing or wildflower viewing or scenery attributes, and that have amenities, like

462
00:38:32,300 --> 00:38:38,580
at least a parking lot that we can offer, although we typically do not have developed

463
00:38:38,580 --> 00:38:46,220
up amenities that state parks provide and one thing about visitor use is it

464
00:38:46,220 --> 00:38:49,800
feeds into the cost of efficiency requirement. We have to generate enough

465
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:53,960
income to make it worth the cost of putting up and maintaining signs and

466
00:38:53,960 --> 00:39:06,870
more so. So Hope Valley was considered to fit that criteria and then so in

467
00:39:06,870 --> 00:39:13,910
in putting together the regulation proposal for these changes to the land's passes that would expand the program

468
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:16,530
and there were other regulation changes as well.

469
00:39:16,990 --> 00:39:22,890
The Fishing Game Commission was ready to submit the proposed regulation changes for public review

470
00:39:22,890 --> 00:39:28,270
and that's when they sent the letter that's shown on there to all 58 counties

471
00:39:28,850 --> 00:39:34,270
and all those counties Fishing Game or Fishing Wildlife Advisory Commissions.

472
00:39:35,070 --> 00:39:43,790
And the mailing included the public notice that explains a summary of the changes in

473
00:39:43,790 --> 00:39:51,330
the package and where to find the background, all the background information, how to participate

474
00:39:51,330 --> 00:39:54,470
in the public comment period.

475
00:39:58,530 --> 00:40:03,310
And I just want to mention that the public comment period, because of the way the

476
00:40:03,310 --> 00:40:07,810
Fishing Game Commission deals with its regulatory responsibilities.

477
00:40:08,410 --> 00:40:12,730
The public comment periods are at least twice as long as that required by law.

478
00:40:12,890 --> 00:40:17,310
It's required in the Administrative Procedures Act to have a 45-day public comment period,

479
00:40:17,530 --> 00:40:25,310
but the Commission sees these packages over a course of three meetings and they accept

480
00:40:25,310 --> 00:40:30,190
comments from the very first meeting where they decide to put something to public

481
00:40:30,190 --> 00:40:36,870
notice until they vote on adoption. So that's a minimum usually of 90 days. In this case,

482
00:40:36,930 --> 00:40:40,210
it was from May 6th to August 25th.

483
00:40:46,780 --> 00:40:51,580
And I also included a mailing list that the Commission

484
00:40:51,580 --> 00:40:54,800
uses that, as you can see, includes Alpine County.

485
00:40:59,500 --> 00:41:03,220
So I just included this slide of

486
00:41:03,220 --> 00:41:12,500
basic use requirements of plus exemptions for the Lands Pass Program. Each visitor who's 16 years

487
00:41:12,500 --> 00:41:21,080
or older must carry a valid CDFW Lands Pass or their valid California hunting or fishing license

488
00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:26,860
while they're on a Lands Pass property. And in the proposal there's a total of 42 Lands Pass

489
00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:32,120
properties. I mean in the adopted regulations there are 42 lands past

490
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:39,500
properties. The there's and they span by the way in 25 they're about 23 25

491
00:41:39,500 --> 00:41:42,560
counties something like that. There are 20 counties that have new lands past

492
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:47,620
properties. School and organized youth groups are

493
00:41:47,620 --> 00:41:51,780
exempt. Volunteers are exempt while they're volunteering on the property

494
00:41:52,340 --> 00:41:55,840
which is sort of the same for us. If I go to a lands past property and I'm

495
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:57,680
not working, I have to get a lands pass.

496
00:41:59,380 --> 00:42:03,340
And the lands passes are good on any lands pass property.

497
00:42:04,300 --> 00:42:07,040
So even though we ask, and I'll explain about that more,

498
00:42:07,120 --> 00:42:09,340
even though we ask during the purchase process,

499
00:42:09,560 --> 00:42:11,980
where do you plan to use it, that's actually

500
00:42:11,980 --> 00:42:12,920
an optional question.

501
00:42:13,180 --> 00:42:15,020
And a person could use a lands pass

502
00:42:15,020 --> 00:42:16,660
on any of the lands pass properties.

503
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,940
So this is what they look like.

504
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,540
Although this year's, which is almost over,

505
00:42:26,540 --> 00:42:28,820
the lands passes that are printed out.

506
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,760
If you buy them in person, they're blue, but I think I've heard next year they're going

507
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:34,460
to be orange.

508
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,100
It looks sort of like a fishing or hunting license.

509
00:42:37,820 --> 00:42:43,160
If you print it out at home, it looks like it's sort of broken in half on the page.

510
00:42:43,240 --> 00:42:45,500
It's actually a full 8.5 by 11 sheet.

511
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:53,040
And then daily pass customers who choose to purchase by phone rather than getting

512
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:58,880
a paper to print out or hand a paper, they receive a transaction number over the phone

513
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,880
that they can use in lieu of carrying the pass.

514
00:43:07,950 --> 00:43:15,070
A couple of differences, daily lands passes are valid only for the date that you choose

515
00:43:15,070 --> 00:43:20,930
when you buy the lands pass, kind of like a snow park pass, and they can be given

516
00:43:20,930 --> 00:43:21,770
to another person.

517
00:43:21,930 --> 00:43:26,650
So if a group of people are going out, one person can buy all the lands passes that

518
00:43:26,650 --> 00:43:32,170
the group needs. An annual lands pass requires, it's a little bit more like buying a hunting

519
00:43:32,170 --> 00:43:39,170
or fishing license, it requires a customer profile set up to purchase it, giving some

520
00:43:39,170 --> 00:43:47,250
identification information and address and so forth. And that's so that if you lose

521
00:43:47,250 --> 00:43:49,530
it or it's destroyed, they can replace it.

522
00:43:52,470 --> 00:43:55,710
And it's valid from the purchase date

523
00:43:55,710 --> 00:44:04,350
through December 31st of that year. So, 2018 annual passes are already available for sale,

524
00:44:06,510 --> 00:44:12,370
and they'd be good from January 1st through December 31st. They're only good for the person

525
00:44:12,370 --> 00:44:18,670
named on the pass, and they can be replaced, as I mentioned, and there's a fee for providing a

526
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:36,980
So how lands passes are purchased is you can buy them online and self-print them at that URL.

527
00:44:37,740 --> 00:44:40,580
And we have the signs that are going to be posted.

528
00:44:40,820 --> 00:44:42,400
You'll see later, have that information.

529
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:50,860
And also we have other publicity information that includes all the necessary web page links.

530
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:56,730
There's more detail.

531
00:44:57,210 --> 00:44:59,970
I would say that our online program.

532
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:05,780
Purchasing, frankly, isn't the most user-friendly in the world. It's partially a problem of using

533
00:45:05,780 --> 00:45:10,860
a sort of off-the-shelf service product that's geared more towards the sale of funding and

534
00:45:10,860 --> 00:45:15,880
fishing licenses. But we've improved it, and we will continue to improve it, for the

535
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:23,020
land's passes. And in the frequently asked questions for the land's passes, we have

536
00:45:23,020 --> 00:45:28,620
a more detailed instructions on how to purchase them. And there's also a customer service

537
00:45:28,620 --> 00:45:35,900
phone number. If you want to purchase them by phone, it's an 800 number. And then in-person

538
00:45:35,900 --> 00:45:41,880
sales locations are basically wherever hunting and fishing licenses are sold. And there's

539
00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:47,020
a lot of locations in the Tahoe area. And my understanding is the Markleyville General

540
00:45:47,020 --> 00:45:53,900
Store sells them as well. It's best to purchase them in advance. They can be purchased on

541
00:45:53,900 --> 00:45:59,720
a smart phone, but Hope Valley, for example, doesn't have this good cell or Wi-Fi coverage.

542
00:45:59,980 --> 00:46:05,380
So we generally advise people to purchase in advance. And this year and next year the

543
00:46:05,380 --> 00:46:13,360
daily pass is $4.32, and the annual pass this year was $24.33, and the next year it's

544
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:20,100
going up a little to $25.10. And the fee and how the fee changes over time is actually

545
00:46:20,100 --> 00:46:22,280
set in statute by the legislature.

546
00:46:33,510 --> 00:46:36,870
So one common question is where does the money go?

547
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:43,730
In the Lands Pass Program was originally established as part of the Native Species Conservation

548
00:46:43,730 --> 00:46:45,850
and Enhancement Act of 1988.

549
00:46:47,050 --> 00:46:55,570
And one thing that that act did was it set up this special account and that money from

550
00:46:55,570 --> 00:47:03,630
When the lands passes goes into this dedicated account, and it's for the use of conservation,

551
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:07,470
recreation, operational activities on department lands.

552
00:47:09,980 --> 00:47:17,340
To the extent that we can identify where passes are used, no less than 35 percent is

553
00:47:17,340 --> 00:47:19,600
to go back to those properties.

554
00:47:21,340 --> 00:47:26,620
And now that we're asking, where are you going to use the passes?

555
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:34,240
We're finding we're getting like 97% of the people answer the question, which surprised me, but they do.

556
00:47:34,380 --> 00:47:40,020
And we include – we mentioned in the – when you buy the pass that it helps us direct money to that property.

557
00:47:40,020 --> 00:47:50,300
So, you know, in the last six weeks that we've had this new system online, 97% have provided

558
00:47:50,300 --> 00:47:51,080
the information.

559
00:48:01,150 --> 00:48:04,830
So there's also been questions about how this is going to be enforced.

560
00:48:05,670 --> 00:48:13,190
There are no changes planned on how CDFW properties are patrolled by our law enforcement staff.

561
00:48:13,890 --> 00:48:16,570
You know, frankly, this is somewhat of an honor system.

562
00:48:18,990 --> 00:48:24,910
All department staff, including the law enforcement staff, are focusing first and foremost on informing

563
00:48:24,910 --> 00:48:33,170
the public, especially during the first year law enforcement chief and assistant chief

564
00:48:33,170 --> 00:48:38,270
have sort of emphasized to me that, you know, they don't expect to be writing citations,

565
00:48:38,270 --> 00:48:43,290
They expect to be informing the public about this, and we've created some little handout

566
00:48:43,290 --> 00:48:49,310
cards that have kind of how to get more information about the lands passes and how to buy lands

567
00:48:49,310 --> 00:48:53,650
passes that we can give to anyone who's interested to hand out.

568
00:48:53,830 --> 00:49:02,390
Our staff, volunteers, local businesses, law enforcement, and let's see.

569
00:49:03,590 --> 00:49:08,050
I would say the wardens have said to me, you know, if we see someone one day and

570
00:49:08,050 --> 00:49:13,330
And we tell them, you know, okay in the future you should have a lands pass and we see them

571
00:49:13,330 --> 00:49:17,330
the next day and they don't have a lands pass, they might write a citation.

572
00:49:17,710 --> 00:49:27,730
And it's an infraction and the violation is, I think, a minimum of $50 to remember,

573
00:49:27,970 --> 00:49:32,050
frankly, if it's $150 or $250 is the upper limit for an infraction.

574
00:49:34,150 --> 00:49:39,370
It's not really spelled out in the regulations, but the higher-ups in law enforcement have

575
00:49:39,370 --> 00:49:43,370
said they are okay with having daily passes saved on a smartphone.

576
00:49:43,710 --> 00:49:50,880
So if you want to download it on your smartphone and carry it that way, it will be okay.

577
00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:55,500
Just wanted to show you what the signs look like.

578
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,160
A few of our regions wanted brown and white signs.

579
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:02,820
If you wanted green and white signs, this region wanted brown and white signs.

580
00:50:02,820 --> 00:50:06,380
And so it does a couple things.

581
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:13,860
It explains the basic requirements and it clearly identifies the Department of Fish

582
00:50:13,860 --> 00:50:18,420
and Wildlife because we know people have confusion about what properties are actually

583
00:50:18,420 --> 00:50:19,960
Department of Fish and Wildlife properties.

584
00:50:21,140 --> 00:50:23,740
It has the information on how to purchase.

585
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:31,260
And we also keep a sort of blank area on – we made them sort of a blank area

586
00:50:31,260 --> 00:50:35,200
so that individual property managers that they have property-specific information they

587
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,580
want to attach to the sign, they can.

588
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:43,200
And then we have some smaller pedestrian trail signs.

589
00:50:48,580 --> 00:50:49,100
Now,

590
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:57,820
I work more at a statewide level, but I can talk a little bit about Hope Valley

591
00:50:57,820 --> 00:51:01,100
and Shelley Blair can probably answer more questions about Hope Valley.

592
00:51:01,100 --> 00:51:05,540
But I just, for anyone, if there's anyone in the room who isn't familiar with it,

593
00:51:09,850 --> 00:51:11,550
there's Southlake Tahoe,

594
00:51:14,620 --> 00:51:20,120
Berkeleyville, down here, and this is in pink.

595
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,400
In the pink lines is the Hope Valley Wildlife Area.

596
00:51:24,940 --> 00:51:30,020
And the area I'm going to focus on next is sort of the southernmost part,

597
00:51:30,020 --> 00:51:37,060
the southern half of the large main unit, the Hope Valley unit.

598
00:51:38,100 --> 00:51:41,380
We had a little bit of a bottleneck in the sign production,

599
00:51:41,720 --> 00:51:47,580
so Shelly has enough signs to get started, but she will eventually have more.

600
00:51:48,820 --> 00:51:58,620
But she told me her initial priorities were basically where Highway 89 and Highway 88 meet.

601
00:51:59,940 --> 00:52:07,460
to have lands past signs where people park, and one case where people pull out and walk

602
00:52:07,460 --> 00:52:18,580
onto the property to fish, and then further up that are hiking further north on the property.

603
00:52:20,820 --> 00:52:26,660
There's a really nice way to walk down to Willow Creek and a really pretty, more closed

604
00:52:26,660 --> 00:52:28,260
enforced riparian area.

605
00:52:31,350 --> 00:52:39,660
So that is pretty much all I have. Thank you very much again for

606
00:52:39,660 --> 00:52:44,940
letting me talk and I will try to answer questions and if I can't I will write them down and

607
00:52:44,940 --> 00:52:45,720
get back to you.

608
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:46,320
Well,

609
00:52:49,540 --> 00:52:54,820
I have a comment right off the bat here, sorry. So regarding the letter that was apparently

610
00:52:54,820 --> 00:53:00,800
sent to us, and I believe you that it was, but it just says to all interested in

611
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,260
infected parties. It doesn't say Board of Supervisors. And that's the same comment I

612
00:53:04,260 --> 00:53:08,360
heard from when we were at the California State Association of Counties annual meeting

613
00:53:08,360 --> 00:53:14,520
down in Sacramento was that these letters didn't go to the Board of Supervisors. They went

614
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:18,720
to the Fish and Game Commissions of the counties, maybe.

615
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,900
They went to both. Yeah, they were going to both.

616
00:53:21,200 --> 00:53:25,560
Okay, so did it specifically say Board of Supervisors on our letter because?

617
00:53:25,960 --> 00:53:27,000
On the address.

618
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:27,180
Yes.

619
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:28,180
On the address.

620
00:53:28,460 --> 00:53:29,800
Okay, but it didn't, okay.

621
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:36,280
So I think it just needs to be, maybe you need to revise how you send these out to be more

622
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:43,700
specific and more clear because it was truly, none of us knew about it and many other supervisors

623
00:53:43,700 --> 00:53:48,880
that I talked to this last week didn't know anything about it prior to this coming

624
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:49,200
down.

625
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,720
So I just think there was a gap in your communications.

626
00:53:52,720 --> 00:53:59,120
Okay, so I will talk with the commission about whether they can do a mail merge.

627
00:53:59,580 --> 00:54:05,800
They send that same letter out to, besides all the counties and the county fishing wildlife

628
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:12,360
supervisory commissions, they also send out to hundreds of other interested parties

629
00:54:12,360 --> 00:54:19,860
like every Audubon chapter and Sierra Club chapter and hunting organizations.

630
00:54:19,860 --> 00:54:25,440
Organizations and so so their mailing list is really long. It's really easy to get on their mailing list by the way

631
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:31,560
Yeah, but I think this falls on your organization. I mean come on. This is

632
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,280
2017 you should be able to mail merge

633
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,180
Right. That's what I mean. I used their

634
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,020
I used their mailing list, but I

635
00:54:42,660 --> 00:54:48,680
We mail merged our letters, of course we were when we were sending it. We were sending fewer letters

636
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:53,080
But that's true. We sent out. I did send out. We sent out hundreds of letters

637
00:54:53,940 --> 00:54:57,940
Okay, well, I hope you're listening to me. I'm talking about corrections in the future, right? Okay

638
00:54:57,940 --> 00:55:02,440
I don't care how you did it. Obviously it didn't get to us. I'm talking about the future. Yes

639
00:55:02,440 --> 00:55:04,020
I in the future. I will okay

640
00:55:04,020 --> 00:55:08,360
I didn't send the ones that were sent in May 2016 that was sent by the Commission

641
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:10,640
But I will make sure that they know that

642
00:55:11,580 --> 00:55:18,240
They're letters to you because it's there. It's really their regulations. I propose I prepare the package for them

643
00:55:18,680 --> 00:55:27,840
But they do all the outreach and they hold the hearings and adopt or not adopt regulations.

644
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:34,040
So I can talk to them because, yes, I will use mail merge and I did use mail merge.

645
00:55:34,220 --> 00:55:38,780
Just for my public outreach when we were going to implement these, but they should definitely

646
00:55:38,780 --> 00:55:40,840
– the commission should definitely – I hear you.

647
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:41,720
Well, no, they have to.

648
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:42,180
Yeah.

649
00:55:42,180 --> 00:55:42,900
They have to.

650
00:55:43,140 --> 00:55:44,020
That's what I'm telling you.

651
00:55:44,100 --> 00:55:47,620
They have to get the information out to us correctly.

652
00:55:47,620 --> 00:55:52,960
It doesn't matter who's using what mail merge or who's involved in what, it has to get to

653
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:57,880
the proper organizations and the Board of Supervisors need to know in all counties, okay?

654
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,440
That's all I have, but I appreciate your presentation.

655
00:56:01,660 --> 00:56:04,440
If I may, I have a few further questions.

656
00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,220
In Hope Valley, there are restrooms that are currently maintained, I understand,

657
00:56:09,460 --> 00:56:11,620
by Sorenson's Resort and others.

658
00:56:11,620 --> 00:56:18,280
Is this funding mechanism going to be used to fund the maintenance of those

659
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:21,600
restrooms in the parking area and the signage there?

660
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:28,920
Shelly, because she's the funds do are going to help with that.

661
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:36,020
You do have some mitigation funds left over. However, we have to submit

662
00:56:36,020 --> 00:56:42,360
invoices for those funds. So there's some money left over to help with the

663
00:56:42,360 --> 00:56:46,480
maintenance but but we do plan on using some of these funds as well. And I

664
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,860
understand the day-to-day dumping garbage and all that and picking up

665
00:56:50,860 --> 00:56:57,060
litter and things. In addition at Pickett's Junction in Hope Valley there's

666
00:56:57,060 --> 00:57:03,540
a cross-country ski center there that they use certainly parts of this area

667
00:57:03,540 --> 00:57:10,160
will folks who go cross-country skiing in Hope Valley need a permit now? Yes

668
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:15,620
they will need a permit. So we'll have to figure out a way to make sure that they

669
00:57:15,620 --> 00:57:20,320
have that information when they arrive or they are able to get that permit if

670
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:28,800
they're using our properties. In addition, a lot of folks access US Forest Service

671
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:35,440
lands off of Highway 89 in Hope Valley to get, and they have to cross Cal

672
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:43,400
and wildlife lands on your road. They're simply crossing either through a meadow or actually

673
00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:48,220
on an existing road that is now gated. Will they also have to get a permit?

674
00:57:49,500 --> 00:57:54,360
Can I answer this because I get asked this question for other properties as well about

675
00:57:54,360 --> 00:58:01,240
access to people who are passing through kind of situations. And I would say the

676
00:58:02,680 --> 00:58:07,460
situation with the passing through. I mean the regulations don't and the statutes don't

677
00:58:07,460 --> 00:58:15,540
go into that level of detail about if this situation then X. I would say that people

678
00:58:15,540 --> 00:58:23,530
are going, I expect that people will treat it the way they treat requirements of where

679
00:58:23,530 --> 00:58:31,390
to park and how long to park in many situations or speed limits or whatever. You know what

680
00:58:31,390 --> 00:58:35,730
the rule is, and people make decisions about, you know, if they know they're only going

681
00:58:35,730 --> 00:58:40,870
to be there for 30 minutes, they're sort of deciding, am I going to participate or am

682
00:58:40,870 --> 00:58:41,950
I not going to participate.

683
00:58:42,970 --> 00:58:48,790
But it's not something we can really, you know, are likely to focus on policing.

684
00:58:49,730 --> 00:58:51,990
I just have a couple more quick questions.

685
00:58:52,910 --> 00:58:57,770
Regarding the consumer profile, the annual land's passed,

686
00:59:00,490 --> 00:59:05,410
is that only for California residents or can Nevada residents apply for that?

687
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:12,670
Oh, Nevada residents, yes, Nevada residents can. They can obtain them.

688
00:59:12,670 --> 00:59:17,830
There are locations in Nevada that sell California hunting

689
00:59:17,830 --> 00:59:20,470
and fishing licenses, and they can go online.

690
00:59:20,690 --> 00:59:24,490
Anybody anywhere can go on to our website and buy them.

691
00:59:25,010 --> 00:59:31,310
I just want to mention about people across country skiers.

692
00:59:31,590 --> 00:59:35,930
The point of really, I will tell you that the legislation was drafted

693
00:59:35,930 --> 00:59:40,870
by the hunting community that became 1745

694
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:50,070
because it's sort of been a thorn in their side that enters an angler's pay

695
00:59:50,070 --> 00:59:54,590
through their licenses and their fees to maintain these properties and so they

696
00:59:54,590 --> 00:59:59,970
want other types of users to participate which they have

697
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:05,960
Local point. Especially as our lands are used more and more and more by other types of recreation.

698
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:15,060
A follow-up question. In the pickets area, Hope Valley area, a lot of seniors use that area.

699
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:23,220
I mean, that's an inexpensive way to recreate hiking up the old highway. A lot of handicapped folks use that area.

700
01:00:23,220 --> 01:00:30,220
They don't necessarily go there fishing, but to enjoy Hope Valley, and they will be required.

701
01:00:30,760 --> 01:00:36,620
A lot of those folks are on fixed incomes, so is there a way that they could be fit into

702
01:00:36,620 --> 01:00:37,880
a waiver of some type?

703
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:38,300
Yes.

704
01:00:39,620 --> 01:00:46,420
What they can do, the department has about half a dozen different reduced fee or free

705
01:00:46,420 --> 01:00:54,860
fishing license programs for things like low-income seniors and disabled

706
01:00:54,860 --> 01:01:02,980
veterans I think are free, recovering service members. There is low-income

707
01:01:02,980 --> 01:01:07,500
Native Americans. There's like half a dozen of them. And there's a web page

708
01:01:07,500 --> 01:01:10,780
on the department website or you can just call the license and revenue

709
01:01:10,780 --> 01:01:15,380
branch and ask about or probably any of the the fishing game offices and

710
01:01:15,380 --> 01:01:17,540
and ask about the low income fishing licenses.

711
01:01:17,900 --> 01:01:19,920
And that fishing license works just as well

712
01:01:19,920 --> 01:01:23,260
in place of a lands pass as a full price fishing license.

713
01:01:24,860 --> 01:01:28,020
So the point is for when people have a fishing license

714
01:01:28,020 --> 01:01:29,580
or hunting license, they've already contributed.

715
01:01:31,340 --> 01:01:34,540
And in addition, just west of this area,

716
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:37,920
the main property in Hope Valley,

717
01:01:38,260 --> 01:01:40,580
there are some other parts of the Hope Valley

718
01:01:41,180 --> 01:01:46,980
wildlife area that is used for dispersed camping and they will have to have a

719
01:01:46,980 --> 01:01:49,380
permit as I understand it.

720
01:01:52,500 --> 01:01:54,920
Okay just yeah

721
01:02:02,630 --> 01:02:04,570
it appears they may not know where the

722
01:02:04,570 --> 01:02:07,930
bound is. Yeah I think if a law enforcement officer found them on

723
01:02:07,930 --> 01:02:13,870
department land and the land's pass would be sort of the lesser problem but

724
01:02:14,410 --> 01:02:18,850
But that would be a, yeah, that is more of a, I'll let Shelley speak to that, but that

725
01:02:18,850 --> 01:02:22,370
to me sounds like more of a boundary defining issue.

726
01:02:23,210 --> 01:02:27,270
And lastly, you brought up the topic of funding mechanisms.

727
01:02:27,990 --> 01:02:31,130
I know I serve on the Carson Waters of Conservancy District.

728
01:02:32,070 --> 01:02:39,390
And they've approached Cal Fish and Wildlife regarding dispersing red lake water and

729
01:02:39,390 --> 01:02:46,390
here in Lakewater for a consumptive use downstream in Nevada. They would sell it to those folks.

730
01:02:47,130 --> 01:02:52,430
Cal Fish and Wildlife, the representatives they have talked with said they would oppose

731
01:02:52,430 --> 01:02:59,790
it because the money generated would go into the state general fund. Is that accurate and

732
01:02:59,790 --> 01:03:02,970
could that be used for environmental purposes in O'Fallee?

733
01:03:02,970 --> 01:03:09,250
I would have to talk to the fisheries staff that you spoke with because I'm not familiar.

734
01:03:09,410 --> 01:03:16,410
I just work on the department lands, so I'm not aware of either our water branch or fisheries

735
01:03:16,410 --> 01:03:18,310
branches probably involved with that.

736
01:03:18,650 --> 01:03:22,990
One thing I would say that this income does do, and it's not gazillions of dollars.

737
01:03:23,790 --> 01:03:26,890
There's an economic analysis in that package that's available.

738
01:03:27,450 --> 01:03:35,310
They're documents online that I think I provided information about that you can see the economic

739
01:03:35,310 --> 01:03:37,310
analysis for the Lands Pass program.

740
01:03:37,930 --> 01:03:42,190
But I think what we're hoping to do with it is to, you're right, it goes into a very

741
01:03:42,190 --> 01:03:48,290
dedicated account and we hope to use it to leverage federal grants or other types of

742
01:03:48,290 --> 01:03:52,670
partnership projects sort of to get more bang for the buck.

743
01:03:53,490 --> 01:03:58,790
I do have to say at red light in particular if you don't drain it to a certain extent

744
01:03:58,790 --> 01:04:04,890
there's an algae bloom and it, I'll leave it at that.

745
01:04:05,330 --> 01:04:05,510
Okay.

746
01:04:07,860 --> 01:04:08,140
Okay.

747
01:04:08,740 --> 01:04:09,180
Thank you very much.

748
01:04:09,180 --> 01:04:09,400
David?

749
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:11,740
David, we have more questions.

750
01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:12,280
More questions.

751
01:04:12,540 --> 01:04:12,880
Oh, yes.

752
01:04:13,040 --> 01:04:13,940
This is a hot topic.

753
01:04:14,080 --> 01:04:14,780
Oh, it is.

754
01:04:14,860 --> 01:04:16,000
It is important here.

755
01:04:16,300 --> 01:04:16,600
Very.

756
01:04:17,120 --> 01:04:22,220
First of all, I'd like to second Supervisor Woodrow's comments about notice.

757
01:04:22,220 --> 01:04:28,320
As I mentioned earlier, none of the supervisors I talked to at CSAC had any knowledge of this

758
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:28,720
whatsoever.

759
01:04:29,140 --> 01:04:34,060
So letters may have gone out, but they were not received and read, and so this is the

760
01:04:34,060 --> 01:04:35,080
first time we've heard of it.

761
01:04:37,560 --> 01:04:43,920
Supervisor Argyrain bought up the point of people passing through these areas to the

762
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:44,740
Forest Service land.

763
01:04:46,840 --> 01:04:51,860
If somebody's driving through on the highway, I presume they don't need a permit, is

764
01:04:51,860 --> 01:04:56,660
What if they run an old forest service or county road?

765
01:04:57,360 --> 01:04:58,280
Do they need a permit for that?

766
01:04:59,180 --> 01:05:06,060
I think if it's not on department, I think if they're driving through and it's not on department,

767
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:09,820
and they're not, and they're driving on a road that doesn't, you know, belong to the department,

768
01:05:10,060 --> 01:05:17,400
I think the intent is for people who are recreating on department land to have a lands pass.

769
01:05:18,620 --> 01:05:26,440
So if instead of driving along that road, somebody is walking along the road or in the winter time skiing along that road, are they exempt as well?

770
01:05:27,100 --> 01:05:33,380
If they're on the department, if they're on within the department's property, then they are expected to have a lands pass.

771
01:05:33,860 --> 01:05:44,940
If they're on a forest service, a road that belongs to the forest service with a county or another private or a private landowner, anyone besides the Department of Fish and Wildlife, they are not expected to have a lands pass.

772
01:05:50,920 --> 01:05:59,040
Okay, probably too late to complain, but you know, I know the department wants to use this

773
01:05:59,040 --> 01:06:03,380
money for good causes, but there is a debt the department owes to most counties in the

774
01:06:03,380 --> 01:06:04,280
payment and lieu of taxes.

775
01:06:04,860 --> 01:06:08,300
Wouldn't that be a better place to put the money and pay that money, pay that back first

776
01:06:08,300 --> 01:06:09,920
before taking on something else?

777
01:06:11,140 --> 01:06:20,680
Well, this pot of money is dedicated in statute to the native species conservation and enhancement

778
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:21,080
account.

779
01:06:23,380 --> 01:06:26,100
So that's what it has to go for.

780
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:36,520
And I think that I can't really speak with a lot of knowledge about the NLEU fee situation

781
01:06:36,520 --> 01:06:43,600
except that I think it's been a problem that the state created this sort of

782
01:06:43,600 --> 01:06:49,300
created this situation through statute and has never allocated funds to the

783
01:06:49,300 --> 01:06:54,840
department to pay in lieu fees. But then presumably with this money that you're

784
01:06:54,840 --> 01:06:58,960
going to raise from these passes you could do the maintenance work you needed

785
01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:02,640
to do previously being paid from other parts of your budget and that would

786
01:07:02,640 --> 01:07:07,140
free up money to reimburse us for the pilt fees that have not been paid?

787
01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:09,600
It's not a lot.

788
01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:18,560
It's only $152,000 statewide is the projected revenue and that's actually, and then most

789
01:07:18,560 --> 01:07:24,380
of that goes, a lot of it goes to actually the cost, the first five years of the program.

790
01:07:24,380 --> 01:07:34,840
So statewide the projection is $53,000 a year for augmenting management of department lands.

791
01:07:35,340 --> 01:07:36,720
It's not very much.

792
01:07:37,520 --> 01:07:39,300
Is this program worth it then?

793
01:07:48,100 --> 01:07:51,000
Okay. It was passed by the legislature.

794
01:07:52,340 --> 01:07:53,840
That's not a recommendation.

795
01:08:00,480 --> 01:08:07,780
I think one thing it does do, there are a couple things it does, I try to tell myself

796
01:08:07,780 --> 01:08:13,860
or the silver lining, the department has been told multiple times we need to collect more

797
01:08:13,860 --> 01:08:14,480
in user fee.

798
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:22,900
At the same time, the department has also been told that we need to find more stable

799
01:08:22,900 --> 01:08:28,480
funding sources and not have money coming in so many tiny unstable plots.

800
01:08:31,580 --> 01:08:39,580
It's hard for our directors to go to the legislature and ask for more funding when we haven't done

801
01:08:39,580 --> 01:08:42,140
what they've already told us to do, which is to increase user fees.

802
01:08:42,280 --> 01:08:48,880
I can show you multiple places in statutes and in that report where that's called

803
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:49,200
for.

804
01:08:49,700 --> 01:08:53,100
So, I mean, they're considering that we're very late to the game to do this.

805
01:08:54,660 --> 01:08:59,480
So, I think it might support our cause with the legislature to bring in more funding.

806
01:09:00,180 --> 01:09:03,540
And the other thing was this program is like 28 years old.

807
01:09:03,740 --> 01:09:04,580
It's been accumulating.

808
01:09:04,740 --> 01:09:07,680
It's an account you can see in the state budget.

809
01:09:08,300 --> 01:09:09,960
And it's never been spent.

810
01:09:10,120 --> 01:09:12,520
And it's not because we haven't asked for money out of it.

811
01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:14,620
And it's been accumulating money.

812
01:09:15,160 --> 01:09:16,220
Again, not a lot.

813
01:09:16,340 --> 01:09:17,740
It was only on six properties.

814
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,820
There wasn't a lot of publicity, but certain properties collect quite a bit of money.

815
01:09:22,900 --> 01:09:27,520
And this is the first year we've been allocated funds because they had to cut some loose for

816
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:28,460
us to buy all the signs.

817
01:09:31,340 --> 01:09:36,760
So I think that that's established a precedent that we will be able to access these funds

818
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:40,880
finally for on-the-ground property, on-the-ground projects, which we have never been able

819
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:41,440
to do before.

820
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,160
So that's the solar lining.

821
01:09:44,540 --> 01:09:45,740
So does it pay for itself?

822
01:09:45,740 --> 01:09:51,740
Well, it's not necessarily just the actual dollar amount it brings in, and it might,

823
01:09:51,920 --> 01:10:01,550
who knows, it might exceed my expectations, but it has hopefully some other value as well.

824
01:10:03,170 --> 01:10:07,050
I'm skeptical it'll work, but that's my opinion, but that's all I have.

825
01:10:07,450 --> 01:10:08,150
Okay, Ron.

826
01:10:08,430 --> 01:10:09,310
Oh, if I may.

827
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:09,750
Oh.

828
01:10:10,030 --> 01:10:15,170
I'd just like to follow up on what David just said, and I hate to spring this on you

829
01:10:15,170 --> 01:10:19,430
I see John Bresnan sitting in the back might be somewhat familiar with this.

830
01:10:19,790 --> 01:10:28,490
This is the Hope Valley report done in 1988, which I participated in, and in the back is

831
01:10:28,490 --> 01:10:35,350
a balance sheet of lost taxes, and they do mention Pilt.

832
01:10:35,810 --> 01:10:42,730
So that was a part of the sales pitch to the county that, you know, the county was

833
01:10:42,730 --> 01:10:45,090
supposed to be reimbursed to a certain degree.

834
01:10:45,710 --> 01:10:50,210
I won't say a lot, 100% because there are other lands that went private.

835
01:10:52,050 --> 01:10:53,970
You'll have this report later today.

836
01:10:55,670 --> 01:10:57,150
Thank you, Don. Ron.

837
01:10:57,830 --> 01:11:02,370
Another part of that that he wasn't talking about as well in that report is that some of the funds

838
01:11:02,370 --> 01:11:06,070
set aside for us to make up for the property tax loss

839
01:11:06,810 --> 01:11:09,430
don't make any money for us right now in this current market.

840
01:11:09,870 --> 01:11:11,630
No one expected zero interest rates.

841
01:11:11,630 --> 01:11:14,130
So it's really been a hurt to the county.

842
01:11:14,650 --> 01:11:17,310
The first thing I have to do is complain about not notice.

843
01:11:17,810 --> 01:11:20,190
This was amazing that no one knew about this.

844
01:11:20,310 --> 01:11:22,370
It's amazing that the public wasn't aware of it.

845
01:11:22,450 --> 01:11:24,630
Very few people had some insight to this.

846
01:11:24,790 --> 01:11:31,830
And whether your attempt to get us noticed to us was honorable, I'm glad it was.

847
01:11:32,190 --> 01:11:33,590
Unfortunately, it didn't happen.

848
01:11:33,970 --> 01:11:38,590
And weren't you suspicious if no one made a public comment from our side about this?

849
01:11:38,590 --> 01:11:42,590
because at that time you would have assumed that somebody would have commented on it.

850
01:11:42,610 --> 01:11:44,390
But we did receive public comments.

851
01:11:46,310 --> 01:11:50,790
Not from Alpine County, but from other counties.

852
01:11:54,730 --> 01:12:01,510
There's 20 counties that have new properties, and we did hear from some of them.

853
01:12:01,830 --> 01:12:02,690
But not from us.

854
01:12:02,850 --> 01:12:05,450
So obviously we didn't have the notice because we would have responded

855
01:12:05,450 --> 01:12:08,750
because you could tell for the ire on the board that we are not happy with this at all.

856
01:12:09,230 --> 01:12:12,570
This is actually really quite a stab in the back with the trust that we have with these

857
01:12:12,570 --> 01:12:12,990
agencies.

858
01:12:13,530 --> 01:12:17,190
You don't pay us the pilt, you tell us something is going to happen, then it surprises us.

859
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:20,230
This is going to be woefully inadequate for these signages.

860
01:12:20,510 --> 01:12:23,670
You're not talking about the people coming from Scott Lake, you're not talking about

861
01:12:23,670 --> 01:12:26,610
the people coming from the Bouton Bouton bike trail that comes onto this area as

862
01:12:26,610 --> 01:12:26,830
well.

863
01:12:27,250 --> 01:12:30,230
There's been people for over 20 years that have actually been clearing that road

864
01:12:30,230 --> 01:12:33,830
in the spring with their brooms so they can ride it all summer.

865
01:12:34,270 --> 01:12:36,030
How are you going to charge them or do that?

866
01:12:36,170 --> 01:12:41,030
Are you going to pull away law enforcement from the poaching to do this, to go get a $50 ticket?

867
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:42,150
It's ridiculous.

868
01:12:42,490 --> 01:12:47,010
The amount of signs that you have marked on this map won't even come close to the knowledge.

869
01:12:47,250 --> 01:12:50,470
And even if you're out in the middle of the meadow, you will not know where you are.

870
01:12:50,610 --> 01:12:53,910
There is no way you will know if you're on your property or the Forest Service property.

871
01:12:54,290 --> 01:12:57,810
And if you're in the wintertime and it's going to cover up the signs that you're going to put out of your 100 feet,

872
01:12:57,930 --> 01:12:59,650
I assume that's what you're going to need to do.

873
01:13:00,130 --> 01:13:01,470
We're going to be on top of those signs.

874
01:13:01,590 --> 01:13:02,630
We're not going to know where we're at.

875
01:13:02,630 --> 01:13:06,790
And it looks like you're going to expand this to the Hope Valley southern area.

876
01:13:06,930 --> 01:13:09,590
That's going to come in the future. Is that not part of this now?

877
01:13:09,630 --> 01:13:13,670
Yeah, it would be on all units of Hope Valley.

878
01:13:13,990 --> 01:13:19,090
And I understand that it is not very practical.

879
01:13:19,650 --> 01:13:22,490
Well, it's almost impossible to say it's close to practical.

880
01:13:22,550 --> 01:13:25,410
But, you know, it is impressing me.

881
01:13:25,410 --> 01:13:34,310
So, I've seen some sales figures for the – we updated – really updated the sales interface

882
01:13:34,310 --> 01:13:41,770
on online for the Lands Pass program, and so I've been getting reports of how many

883
01:13:41,770 --> 01:13:50,530
are being sold and it's impressing me actually, and it might exceed what we – I mean,

884
01:13:50,530 --> 01:13:56,510
I mean, I thought the estimates in the proposal were kind of rosy myself, but it may exceed

885
01:13:56,510 --> 01:13:56,750
them.

886
01:13:56,890 --> 01:13:58,810
People are being pretty good about it.

887
01:13:58,930 --> 01:14:04,450
I would say the reactions that we see online about this are everything from,

888
01:14:07,010 --> 01:14:07,390
you know,

889
01:14:07,630 --> 01:14:11,250
this should have happened a long time ago because everyone should be supporting Department

890
01:14:11,250 --> 01:14:15,550
Lands to, you know, explicative, explicative, I'm never going to visit a Department property

891
01:14:15,550 --> 01:14:15,870
again.

892
01:14:18,150 --> 01:14:20,310
Can we couch this just the Hope Valley part?

893
01:14:20,550 --> 01:14:24,910
I'm really not concerned about the other lands passes and the other 20 counties concerned

894
01:14:24,910 --> 01:14:25,630
about this one.

895
01:14:25,710 --> 01:14:27,230
Are you getting money from this lands pass?

896
01:14:28,370 --> 01:14:31,990
This hasn't started to be, we haven't required it until January 1st.

897
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:33,790
So let's talk about us then, okay?

898
01:14:34,110 --> 01:14:37,390
I'm sure the state has some very good programs that you've faced this on.

899
01:14:37,710 --> 01:14:39,850
Most of those places have one way in, one way out.

900
01:14:39,990 --> 01:14:41,030
This is not that way.

901
01:14:41,150 --> 01:14:43,610
This has been free and open land for people to drive through.

902
01:14:43,610 --> 01:14:47,890
Even when it was private property, there was a ability to travel through this property.

903
01:14:48,750 --> 01:14:52,710
Historically long before this Hope Valley transfer happened.

904
01:14:53,510 --> 01:14:59,770
And a lot of us that were here at that time, that was more to protect it from the power line and from the potential ski area.

905
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,700
That was going to go from the entire north side of the valley.

906
01:15:05,420 --> 01:15:09,880
There's a lot of problems with this, and this is any way we can get this back to a public

907
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:10,260
hearing.

908
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:15,200
I would like to see this, maybe even with legal injunction, that we wait and make this go back

909
01:15:15,200 --> 01:15:18,620
for a year for us to have a public hearing on this, because I don't think this has been

910
01:15:18,620 --> 01:15:21,320
fetted out from the public, and the public is not aware of it.

911
01:15:21,680 --> 01:15:25,360
We have businesses that are in the room today that are going to be affected by this,

912
01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:29,280
and they didn't know about it until two weeks ago, a month ago at the most.

913
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:30,840
This is a winter program.

914
01:15:31,020 --> 01:15:33,200
This is not just something that's going to be tomorrow.

915
01:15:33,560 --> 01:15:34,820
It's going to be from now on.

916
01:15:35,240 --> 01:15:38,380
And I think we're being damaged unfairly in our county

917
01:15:38,380 --> 01:15:40,460
because of this, and the lack of notice that happened,

918
01:15:41,260 --> 01:15:43,600
I'm sure you sent it out, but we did not get it.

919
01:15:43,720 --> 01:15:44,700
We would have noticed this.

920
01:15:44,860 --> 01:15:46,840
We would have talked about this, I'm sure, beforehand.

921
01:15:47,860 --> 01:15:50,300
And you could talk to anybody in this county about this.

922
01:15:50,380 --> 01:15:51,060
This is a surprise.

923
01:15:51,920 --> 01:15:53,820
I've only met one person that knew about this

924
01:15:53,820 --> 01:15:55,080
before I told them about it.

925
01:15:55,740 --> 01:15:58,640
And I wish we could find some way to put this on pause

926
01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:03,960
and let the public comment on it and see if we can actually make this perhaps even go away.

927
01:16:05,880 --> 01:16:06,640
Thank you.

928
01:16:07,220 --> 01:16:11,440
And then I also wanted to ask, so you're going to have law enforcement people wandering around

929
01:16:12,020 --> 01:16:15,300
trying to enforce this in all of these areas?

930
01:16:16,600 --> 01:16:20,160
Law enforcement will be the same that it's always been, I think,

931
01:16:20,520 --> 01:16:24,240
to the extent that law enforcement is present on Hope Valley,

932
01:16:24,600 --> 01:16:29,780
that is the extent they will continue to be on Hope Valley.

933
01:16:29,780 --> 01:16:36,980
law enforcement right correct okay so they can ask someone that they encounter do

934
01:16:36,980 --> 01:16:45,300
you have a lands pass and they don't then they can you know explain to them that

935
01:16:45,300 --> 01:16:49,200
they need a lands pass and give them explain to them how to obtain them and

936
01:16:52,360 --> 01:16:56,300
it's it's there is not a big enforce there's not much of an enforcement

937
01:16:56,300 --> 01:17:01,900
component frankly and a lot of our properties do have very few of our

938
01:17:01,900 --> 01:17:08,040
properties have single points of in-entrance and exits. We have this

939
01:17:08,040 --> 01:17:11,980
issue where there's many trails that come on from other lands onto our

940
01:17:11,980 --> 01:17:21,760
properties and that was pointed out. Okay. Well I'm sorry that that was a

941
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:25,920
surprise that you did not hear sooner. I just think it was poorly

942
01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:31,140
executed this whole thing, and I agree with Ron. It would sure be nice to set the pause

943
01:17:31,140 --> 01:17:33,000
button on this because it's just not fair.

944
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:34,580
I'm sure.

945
01:17:34,900 --> 01:17:35,060
Yes.

946
01:17:36,020 --> 01:17:41,140
I just want to say too that I have to concur with all my colleagues here this morning.

947
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:46,980
We did not know about this, and I feel like we're being forced into something that we

948
01:17:46,980 --> 01:17:51,740
weren't aware of. We have not had time to discuss it. We have not had any public

949
01:17:51,740 --> 01:18:00,380
comment on this. I'm very skeptical if this program is going to even work and I

950
01:18:00,380 --> 01:18:04,120
really feel like we mentioned the Pilt program. I really feel that the

951
01:18:04,120 --> 01:18:08,660
Department of Fish and Wildlife should do diligence and reimburse the counties

952
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:16,400
which they have not done so in many many years. There's people I'm going to

953
01:18:16,400 --> 01:18:19,600
refer to my own people, the Native American community,

954
01:18:20,140 --> 01:18:23,900
that utilizes all of Alpine County.

955
01:18:24,320 --> 01:18:29,460
And a lot of elders go into Hope Valley

956
01:18:29,460 --> 01:18:34,020
to collect native plants for municipal purposes.

957
01:18:34,840 --> 01:18:40,020
Now, this is going to be kind of, it's unknown to them now.

958
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:42,540
They're not going to understand what we're trying to do.

959
01:18:43,000 --> 01:18:44,260
This is too restrictive.

960
01:18:44,260 --> 01:18:51,360
And I'm sorry that this is coming before us and I hope this can't be set in stone because

961
01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:56,140
I think it does need to come back to our county and we need to discuss it a lot further.

962
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:58,990
Yes.

963
01:19:02,370 --> 01:19:06,270
We can photograph the picture for the daily pass on our smartphone.

964
01:19:06,830 --> 01:19:09,310
Are you going to allow the annual pass to be on our smartphone?

965
01:19:13,290 --> 01:19:17,830
Annual pass is, that's a good question.

966
01:19:17,830 --> 01:19:24,410
I have not I would have to ask about that. It's you know it when you buy it. It looks like I'm having our fish fishing license

967
01:19:28,550 --> 01:19:35,310
Okay, and then if someone goes out fishing at Pickett's Junction, and they invited their girlfriend over to watch them fish

968
01:19:35,310 --> 01:19:37,330
She would have to have a pass then right?

969
01:19:38,310 --> 01:19:38,630
Right

970
01:19:41,880 --> 01:19:43,720
Yeah, this is this is crazy

971
01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:49,820
And then I don't know if you're aware but we are aware and some of them on the border aware that there's some actually

972
01:19:49,820 --> 01:19:55,700
see some native relics on these parcels that some of the natives do go visit. We've

973
01:19:55,700 --> 01:20:00,100
actually had a vandalism case that's been pending. I don't know if it's been settled

974
01:20:00,100 --> 01:20:05,060
yet at the federal case. How is that going to affect this? I mean, those people need

975
01:20:05,060 --> 01:20:08,720
to go see where their history and their family was, and you're going to charge them?

976
01:20:09,700 --> 01:20:15,000
Interesting, because it's come up at another property. And I think I was thinking we

977
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:24,080
You have a tribal liaison at the department, and I would like to get in touch with you,

978
01:20:24,460 --> 01:20:27,760
are you the major contact on tribal issues?

979
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:35,680
Oh, I'm the representative of the Hongalalti community, and I basically speak for the

980
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,000
Washoe Tribal community.

981
01:20:37,000 --> 01:20:45,760
And again, this should have been a public comment period for everybody involved.

982
01:20:46,220 --> 01:20:47,620
And you know,

983
01:20:50,110 --> 01:20:53,850
this information today is just, it's very upsetting.

984
01:20:54,650 --> 01:20:55,990
No one knew about it.

985
01:20:56,210 --> 01:21:02,630
Nobody is going to understand the ins and outs of this and what is right and wrong anymore.

986
01:21:04,750 --> 01:21:09,390
And I just hope it's not going to have to be set in stone, and we can't do anything about it.

987
01:21:13,640 --> 01:21:14,960
Okay, do we have any other comments?

988
01:21:18,050 --> 01:21:22,590
Okay, so the recommended action on this is just presentation and possible discussion.

989
01:21:23,430 --> 01:21:24,530
Oh, yes, Alyssa.

990
01:21:25,250 --> 01:21:25,630
Or I'm sorry.

991
01:21:26,430 --> 01:21:26,550
Yeah.

992
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:30,990
Nicole Williamson, Health and Human Services Director.

993
01:21:31,650 --> 01:21:38,230
I just want to comment that I appreciate, along the same lines as both what Supervisor

994
01:21:38,230 --> 01:21:40,290
as Ereco and Supervisor Jardine said.

995
01:21:40,590 --> 01:21:43,810
I'm glad to hear that there may be discounted

996
01:21:43,810 --> 01:21:47,470
or free passes for elderly or disabled or Native Americans,

997
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:49,330
but there's a whole group of people.

998
01:21:49,830 --> 01:21:52,970
I do believe that if you receive cash aid,

999
01:21:53,150 --> 01:21:54,550
and correct me if I'm wrong,

1000
01:21:54,890 --> 01:21:57,270
that you can get a fishing license free of charge.

1001
01:21:58,110 --> 01:21:58,270
No?

1002
01:21:58,690 --> 01:22:00,690
Okay, so now we have a whole group of people

1003
01:22:00,690 --> 01:22:02,970
who may not get a free fishing license,

1004
01:22:03,230 --> 01:22:05,370
who are living below the poverty level,

1005
01:22:05,370 --> 01:22:08,630
and we are restricting public lands for their access.

1006
01:22:08,950 --> 01:22:11,510
And I just have to say that that just creates another barrier.

1007
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:14,570
And my other question is for you,

1008
01:22:14,930 --> 01:22:18,170
do if their individual passes,

1009
01:22:18,430 --> 01:22:20,790
does that mean one family can't purchase a pass

1010
01:22:20,790 --> 01:22:24,970
and like both parents will have to have a $25 pass

1011
01:22:24,970 --> 01:22:29,670
to take their children to Hope Valley for a year?

1012
01:22:30,070 --> 01:22:31,770
They can either buy,

1013
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:35,400
so let's see.

1014
01:22:35,620 --> 01:22:36,740
About the free passes.

1015
01:22:37,240 --> 01:22:45,980
I have a copy of, well I have a copy of the fishing game code which I think has the information

1016
01:22:45,980 --> 01:22:51,960
about land passes or I can look it up in the regulations as far as, I mean not land passes,

1017
01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:55,700
the reduced fee fishing licenses and who they apply to, but if someone has a reduced

1018
01:22:55,700 --> 01:23:02,500
fee license they don't need a land pass and their, the cost is about $7.50 per year

1019
01:23:02,980 --> 01:23:08,560
for a whole year if it's the reduced fee one and they can go on the land's

1020
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:19,640
property as much as they want and then the the other question you had okay so

1021
01:23:21,340 --> 01:23:27,820
the the if they want an annual lands pass to go on is as much as they want as

1022
01:23:27,820 --> 01:23:36,080
a family, it would be $25.10 for each family member who is 16 or older who does not have

1023
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:37,160
a hunting or fishing license.

1024
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:52,670
It depends if the value of that property is worth that and also a day pass for adults

1025
01:23:52,670 --> 01:23:59,630
is $4.32. That could be an $8.64 trip.

1026
01:24:03,650 --> 01:24:07,810
Okay. Again, this is creating a barrier to low-income

1027
01:24:07,810 --> 01:24:12,210
people to accessing public land. And I also just want to comment that I'm a little taken

1028
01:24:12,210 --> 01:24:17,470
aback that the department has a tribal liaison and did not do a tribal consultation with

1029
01:24:17,470 --> 01:24:22,550
the Washoe Tribe because I work a lot with California Department of Social Services.

1030
01:24:22,550 --> 01:24:24,450
They have a tribal liaison.

1031
01:24:24,790 --> 01:24:28,970
I have personally arranged for the tribal liaison to consult with the tribe.

1032
01:24:29,070 --> 01:24:31,610
So I just want to express that.

1033
01:24:31,750 --> 01:24:35,190
That's a little concerning because I do believe that was an order from the governor.

1034
01:24:35,970 --> 01:24:36,590
That's a good point.

1035
01:24:36,590 --> 01:24:36,950
That's a good point.

1036
01:24:37,530 --> 01:24:38,130
Thank you, Nicole.

1037
01:24:38,370 --> 01:24:39,590
There was another hand over here.

1038
01:24:40,150 --> 01:24:40,870
Yes, Rita.

1039
01:24:41,310 --> 01:24:41,510
A

1040
01:24:46,540 --> 01:24:49,200
little county librarian, but I'm actually speaking as a private citizen.

1041
01:24:50,040 --> 01:24:50,840
I have a question.

1042
01:24:51,060 --> 01:24:53,620
My husband runs a trail organization.

1043
01:24:55,220 --> 01:25:02,280
They do work on trails, and I noticed some of the trails may be in the area where there is a fee.

1044
01:25:03,000 --> 01:25:09,540
Is it going to be expected that the people who come and help on the trails, the volunteers, are going to volunteer?

1045
01:25:14,300 --> 01:25:15,840
I think it says that here.

1046
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,360
The volunteers, while they're volunteering, are not required to have a lands pass.

1047
01:25:19,880 --> 01:25:25,340
Landspasses are for quote-unquote visitors and visitors are defined in the regulations

1048
01:25:26,780 --> 01:25:32,400
As people who are who are on the property to recreate so

1049
01:25:34,560 --> 01:25:40,080
People who are there to do work on the property either on a volunteer or as part of their job

1050
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:42,680
They're not really categorized as visitors

1051
01:25:43,400 --> 01:25:47,400
So they're not required to have a lands pass when they're doing work on the property

1052
01:25:49,320 --> 01:25:55,520
okay any other comments yes we have one more here Jim morning

1053
01:26:00,440 --> 01:26:01,900
board Jim Holdridge

1054
01:26:01,900 --> 01:26:06,840
resident Woodford's question for the presenter we have an annual alpine

1055
01:26:06,840 --> 01:26:12,620
Aspen festival event we had approximately a thousand people participating in that

1056
01:26:12,620 --> 01:26:17,920
this last fall so is that a thousand people that are gonna be responsible for

1057
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,060
day passes? Thank you. Right, did you hear that question?

1058
01:26:25,870 --> 01:26:26,870
I'm sorry about that.

1059
01:26:29,930 --> 01:26:30,530
Is it

1060
01:26:30,530 --> 01:26:32,690
a group event held on the wildlife area?

1061
01:26:38,450 --> 01:26:41,550
It might help if I explain it. Most of the

1062
01:26:41,550 --> 01:26:45,510
center of Aspen Festival starts at Pickett's Junction or at Blue Lakes

1063
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:50,390
Road parking. However some of the trips, in fact the trip I went on, I

1064
01:26:50,390 --> 01:26:54,830
guided, was on I believe will be on the Red Lake heritage where the Red

1065
01:26:54,830 --> 01:27:00,530
corral is, so that will not be included in this, this time, but in the future maybe what

1066
01:27:00,530 --> 01:27:05,190
Breville Corral is, but several of those other hikes may actually encroach on some of these

1067
01:27:05,190 --> 01:27:05,570
areas.

1068
01:27:06,990 --> 01:27:13,610
So, there are a number of, so, yes, so if it's group events, participants are expected

1069
01:27:13,610 --> 01:27:20,210
to have passes, and the way other groups are dealing with this is either in their

1070
01:27:20,210 --> 01:27:25,970
publicity for their event, they're saying, you know, be sure to get your lands passed

1071
01:27:25,970 --> 01:27:29,010
in advance, you know, and here are the ways to do it.

1072
01:27:29,270 --> 01:27:30,630
Yeah, that's going to be encouraging.

1073
01:27:30,730 --> 01:27:37,470
Or I myself am a member of the Native Plant Society and when we go to county parks for

1074
01:27:37,470 --> 01:27:45,130
plant hikes that have a $5 parking lot fee, it says in the publicity, bring $5 for parking.

1075
01:27:45,770 --> 01:27:47,030
I bring $5 for parking.

1076
01:27:50,150 --> 01:27:51,390
That you can pay them.

1077
01:27:52,330 --> 01:27:59,010
Yes, but you can call the 800, it's pretty quick to call the 800 number.

1078
01:28:00,130 --> 01:28:04,290
The other thing is that group leaders do sometimes, the other thing is they can buy,

1079
01:28:04,490 --> 01:28:08,550
a group leader can buy enough passes for the entire group.

1080
01:28:09,290 --> 01:28:15,430
And then they get people to RSVP, if they're a group that wants RSVPs, they ask people,

1081
01:28:15,430 --> 01:28:20,350
They try to get an idea of how many passes they need and buy passes for the group

1082
01:28:21,970 --> 01:28:27,690
So they can buy a pass without a name on it because they can transfer right right, so if they think let's say

1083
01:28:28,290 --> 01:28:34,050
They get 30 RSVPs that people want to go on this hike and they get 30

1084
01:28:34,890 --> 01:28:38,930
Passes and probably a couple people won't show up at the last minute, but a couple people

1085
01:28:40,570 --> 01:28:43,090
Will show up at the last minute and it works out

1086
01:28:43,610 --> 01:28:48,330
pretty well any warden who came across just happened to come across that group

1087
01:28:48,330 --> 01:28:53,210
would be ecstatic at that level of effort you know I don't think they would

1088
01:28:53,210 --> 01:28:59,250
spend their time you know checking all 30 people's lands passes so and at least

1089
01:28:59,250 --> 01:29:16,620
that's the way it's been expressed to me by law enforcement stuff our local

1090
01:29:16,620 --> 01:29:23,640
question okay well so yeah groups well it's a yes groups are expected for

1091
01:29:23,640 --> 01:29:28,500
instance we right now have thousands of people they're going on sandhill crane

1092
01:29:28,500 --> 01:29:32,920
tours at our Woodbridge ecological reserve and they're expected to have

1093
01:29:32,920 --> 01:29:39,760
lands passes and now the last month we've sold you know 600 wood passes at

1094
01:29:39,760 --> 01:29:46,240
Woodbridge so if I may I think the bottom line is that for a county

1095
01:29:46,240 --> 01:29:51,800
community that relies on tourism this is going to deter a lot of people away from

1096
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:57,320
our communities when they know that they have to purchase a land pass just to

1097
01:29:57,320 --> 01:29:59,420
enjoy a day out or

1098
01:30:00,050 --> 01:30:05,690
You know, just enjoy the scenery that we have available in this county. It's going to hurt us.

1099
01:30:07,310 --> 01:30:18,350
If I may suggest we agendize this for a future meeting, bring all these elements together so we can comment to the appropriate agency as a follow-up.

1100
01:30:19,350 --> 01:30:25,830
Thank you. That's what I was writing here to talk about. So I think that's a good point that we agendize this and talk about it some more.

1101
01:30:25,830 --> 01:30:30,070
Or as you can tell, we are not happy, and really not happy.

1102
01:30:32,490 --> 01:30:42,050
So can I make a suggestion that we include the Fish and Game Commission and also Director

1103
01:30:42,050 --> 01:30:43,230
level staff in the department?

1104
01:30:45,080 --> 01:30:50,880
Well, in Alpine County, or are you talking about in California Fish and World Life?

1105
01:30:51,520 --> 01:30:57,060
I mean in the department, like for instance, if the department is going to be represented

1106
01:30:57,060 --> 01:30:58,580
presented at another meeting?

1107
01:30:58,860 --> 01:30:59,800
Your department.

1108
01:31:00,060 --> 01:31:00,840
Yes, my department.

1109
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:01,940
That's what I didn't understand.

1110
01:31:02,460 --> 01:31:04,040
But I think this is also a matter.

1111
01:31:04,520 --> 01:31:07,180
The Department of Fish and Game cannot change these regulations.

1112
01:31:07,500 --> 01:31:09,320
We don't change regulations.

1113
01:31:09,500 --> 01:31:10,880
We don't promulgate regulations.

1114
01:31:11,560 --> 01:31:14,240
We work on regulation packages at the direction

1115
01:31:14,240 --> 01:31:15,520
of the Fish and Game Commission.

1116
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:20,960
The California Department of Fish and Game Commission,

1117
01:31:21,200 --> 01:31:24,780
it's important that they, it's critical.

1118
01:31:25,100 --> 01:31:28,260
Okay, so we'll talk to our Senator and Assemblyman.

1119
01:31:28,820 --> 01:31:31,020
on that. Thank you very much.

1120
01:31:35,150 --> 01:31:39,030
Okay, that took a long time, so we've got one more.

1121
01:31:40,890 --> 01:31:49,270
Oh, I'm sorry. Yes, you may. Yeah, no, I think we should. Why not? Let's take an

1122
01:31:49,270 --> 01:31:56,530
hour to do this. John Brisbane Sorenson's in Hope Valley Resorts. Yes. We don't have a

1123
01:31:56,530 --> 01:32:01,010
long history, obviously. But a very short history in terms of how this was

1124
01:32:01,010 --> 01:32:08,270
rolled out, very, very improperly done. So I will have a discussion with the state secretary

1125
01:32:08,270 --> 01:32:12,970
of the state of the natural resources on Wednesday to see if they can put a stay on this.

1126
01:32:13,790 --> 01:32:22,110
Thank you very much. There was another hand? No? Okay. Well, on that note, it's been an

1127
01:32:22,110 --> 01:32:30,850
hour. We will move on to our 9.45 item. It's 10.30. So 9.2 presentation by California

1128
01:32:30,850 --> 01:32:32,070
Department of Fish and Wildlife,

1129
01:32:32,350 --> 01:32:38,410
Wildlife Biologist, Shelly Blair regarding deer herds in Alpine County.

1130
01:32:44,850 --> 01:32:47,110
I also want to thank you for the opportunity to present this,

1131
01:32:47,170 --> 01:32:50,110
and I will scream through this presentation as quickly as possible

1132
01:32:50,110 --> 01:32:51,330
since we're running a little behind.

1133
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:54,390
Yeah, I am Shelly Blair.

1134
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I'm the unit wildlife biologist for El Dorado County and Alpine counties.

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I am tasked with all the wildlife management issues in those two counties,

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as well as the land manager of all the lands and the wildlife areas and ecological

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reserves that we own in those two counties. And so it's it's a lot of stuff to do.

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And today I've been asked to present about your deer herd in this area and

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I'm going to give you an overview of that herd and hopefully interest you.

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So I'm just going to go over her description, how we measure population

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parameters. What are the reasons for the population decline? Because I've had that

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question asked quite a bit. I'm sure a lot of you have that in the back of your

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mind and what you can do about it potentially. So our herd description, the

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Carson River deer herd, is composed of primarily mule deer that also included a

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black-tailed deer and hybrids of both. So the black-tailed deer are mostly

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closer to the El Dorado County line, but they do crossover. Obviously deer

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don't look at boundaries, and they can hybridize between the two.

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But mostly the majority of the deer herd here are male deer.

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So in the big scheme of things, all these colors are different deer herds that California

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manages, and obviously the Carson deer herd is here in Alpine County.

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This is the range map.

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So right here is Tahoe.

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This section that's striated is their winter range, and you can see that the Nevada-California

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line is there, so most of their winter range is in Nevada, and then there's summer ranges

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over here in California, and it also shows some fawning areas and migration pathways

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that they tend to take.

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So the seasonal range for this deer herd, the interesting thing about the deer herd

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is historically is distributed across Alpine County,

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El Dorado County, Mono County, and Douglas Counties.

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And with that, you notice that we share

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this deer herd with Nevada.

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And the Nevada Department of Wildlife

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and the California Department of Wildlife,

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we manage deer.

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And sometimes we manage deer a little bit differently.

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However, we do have a very unique cooperative relationship

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with the Nevada Department of Wildlife

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and we meet annually to discuss

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what our tag allocations will be

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based on each other's surveys. The area used by this population is approximately 1370 square

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miles. Based on a coloring study that we did in 2012, we colored 30 individuals in the summer range

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and watched their movements. Their summer range included 321 square miles, and their winter range

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included 722 square miles. Again, a large portion of their winter range is in Nevada,

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and 15 out of those 30 deer that migrated did go into Nevada.

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So that was one of the questions we had during this callering study is whether or not that is true.

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And yes, it is, in fact, true.

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And this map down here shows this blue outline is the winter range for those color deer.

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This kind of pinkish red is the summer range, and these areas where there's pink is fawning areas.

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So there's a lot of misconceptions about resident deer versus migratory deer.

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Migration is a life history strategy that occurs in deer and encompasses a behavioral continuum from resident to migrant influenced by changing ecological conditions.

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So why do deer migrate?

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And typically it's because animals with high quality seasonal home ranges are not likely to migrate because migration takes a lot of energy.

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So if they're getting what they require, they may not migrate.

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And so they are considered resident deer, and animals with less desirable quality of

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resources or none available due to the ecological conditions are migratory, and usually this

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happens when there's high snow levels.

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And since we haven't had the snowpack levels, we are seeing some behavioral changes with

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migratory deer.

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Sometimes, some years they don't migrate, some of them don't, some of them do no

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matter what, so it's interesting to find that out.

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Of the 30 individuals collared in 2012 study, 10 of them remain resident deer, which means

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they did not move very far.

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So these are just some maps of our study.

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And I know it looks like little dots on a map.

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So if you want a copy of the presentation, but this just kind of is an overview of,

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this one is our migration in 2012 from the deer we collared in 2012.

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And so you kind of see what their patterns were.

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And also note that a lot of them are crossing major highways

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and crossing them quite a bit.

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So that's another thing I'll discuss later.

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This is the migratory movement in 2013.

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And most of the resident deer were near Indian Creek Reservoir.

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They didn't move very far in that area.

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And then this is 2014, the deer we had collared there, and again you can see right here, these

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guys here didn't move very far, if at all.

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So I wanted to go over what your deer hunt zone looks like.

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This zone is considered X8.

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These X zones are restricted deer hunt zones.

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We have general tags, which is our D zones, but this in particular is an X zone.

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It's a kind of a premier deer hunting spot and hunters, they acquire preference points

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to increase their chance of getting drawn for this area.

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It's highly sought out these ex-zones because it's mule deer, larger deer, and so that's

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why they're their premier deer hunt zones.

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Our rifle season for this area, for the zone, is three weeks long.

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It starts at the end of September, it goes to mid-October and our archery season is mid-August to mid-September with a little bit of a break in between the two.

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So something interesting to consider is measuring population parameters.

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And there's been a lot of variable data sampling techniques over the years.

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Aerial surveys have been done by California and Nevada to do numbers and composition counts.

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And composition counts are just basically determining male versus female and how many

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fawns per doe.

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And so some of the different techniques are line transects, which it's a parallel system

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where a helicopter or a plane goes systematically spaced across an area.

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And then you count based on that.

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And then those numbers are put into models to get population numbers.

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There's quadrant sampling, which is randomly selecting big polygons and then really

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intensely going through those polygons with a helicopter and counting.

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And then there's Direct Search, which is what INDAO does, where they go where they know the

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deer is and count them and comp them.

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And there's also been a period of time where there's been no aerial surveys in some of

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these time periods because we were grounded due to a helicopter crash.

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So we had to re-up our helicopter surveys.

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So as you can see, there's a lot of variety in how these population parameters are measured.

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And I'll go into that a little more in a minute.

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The other thing we do is kill vary estimates using harvest data.

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And this is not a very great technique as well.

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It's subject to hunter success and also reporting rates by those hunters.

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And also the accuracy of those reporting locations.

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So it's highly biased and inaccurate.

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There's a correction factor of unreported considered and what happens is the kill vary is again another population model where we stick those parameters into a model and it punches out population numbers.

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Deer hunters are now required to report each year. In the past it's been an optional and they're required even to report no take or they're fined.

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And this is very new.

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I think it was just last year that they were actually

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going to be fine for it.

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And it has increased our reporting rates

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from about 35% to almost 89%.

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So consequences do help with the reporting rate.

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And we are grateful for this because this gives us

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really great information about the herds and the harvest

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data.

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So it's important that the hunters do report.

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This is a fairly new technique that we're using.

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It's population and density estimates

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using fecal DNA. So basically what we do is we establish transects. We run these

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transects and collect fecal pellets and these pellets are run for DNA so we can

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mark an individual animal and sex that animal and then we do kind of a mark

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recapture modeling technique. 2017 was a second year of the fecal DNA data

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collected from our exomes and we are still waiting results on that but

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But we're very positive about how we can utilize this particular technique.

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And what we're hoping is all these techniques will just booster the accuracy of the population

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models.

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And this method is really good when you can't fly helicopters to see deer.

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So this is kind of an option for those areas as well.

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So, this is an interesting graph about the population trend since 1990, and you can see

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that there's been kind of a steady decline of the deer herds.

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These numbers do reflect the variability of sampling techniques, and you have to also

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understand that there are advantages and disadvantages to all of those techniques.

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And one of the major disadvantages is that, you know, the bias of the observer in the

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helicopter.

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So you're not having the same person observing every year, you know, you have different conditions, weather conditions when you're flying the helicopter.

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So it's, when you look at these numbers, you have to look at them from that perspective, but there's a lot of variable in the numbers.

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But we can see, we do, we are able to see trends, so that's really important to know what's going on.

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And so you'll notice on this graph there's kind of a peak here in population and it decreases a little peak.

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So the question is why do we have those peaks and falls.

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And so the causes for population fluctuations, again, is the noise in the system, the variable sampling.

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And then in 1991 and 92 there's a drop in population.

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This could be because of the devastating winter for the North State and deer herds that happened all over the deer herds

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That those particular years and then again, it may be to explain the 2016 spike

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There was mild winners over a five-year drought. So we see more fawn survival

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So here is the million dollar question, why don't we see deer in the numbers like we did 30 or 40 years ago, right?

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So I'm hoping to answer that a little bit

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So in 30, a while ago, 30, 40 years ago,

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there was habitat utopia.

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Logging in fires created ideal habitat for deer.

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When you have really thick forested areas,

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you're missing out on the shrubs

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and the stuff that the deer browse on,

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so there's not as good quality food.

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So a long time ago, the landscape looked very different.

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Now we suppress the fires,

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so you're not, and also we're having larger, hotter fires.

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So it's devastating instead of having, you know, controlled burns, which would...

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We really help out a lot of wildlife species. We have these massive fires happening because

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of the way we're managing the lands. Land management has changed over the years. Reforestation with

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plantations. We're selecting harvests, herbicides to promote tree growth and kill deer food.

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That has some effects on why we're not seeing the numbers we did way back when. Also predator

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removal helped create artificially high deer populations. So, you know, more and more hunting

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is being restricted. For instance, we don't hunt mountain lions anymore and bears can

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no longer be pursued with dogs. And so, less people are hunting and means a lot more predators.

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And the rest of the story of the declining numbers is urban sprawl.

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This right here is a picture of Job's Peak area.

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This is looking into the Carson Valley.

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And I know most of you know that a lot of that area has been developed in the last few years, like a lot.

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And that is prime habitat for deer wintering grounds.

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So we are currently in the process of working with the Nevada Land Trust to

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secure the Job's Peak Ranch area on the California side because there was a

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developer that did own that and no longer does and so we're trying to protect

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that for a deer, critical deer wintering. Also when you have urban

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sprawl you have deer coming into areas and eating vegetation from people's

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yards and then you have this conflict where they're getting stuck in hammocks and their

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heads are getting in these cages and their deer antlers are getting caught up in Christmas

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lights so we have that going on too, some of these deer.

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And then they also just hang around and can create problems for the urban areas as well.

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Disease is another factor of the deer decline.

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Really important to consider that you do not feed the deer, it's illegal, first of all.

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Second of all, it congregates deer unnaturally.

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Deer are very resilient and able to adapt to their surroundings,

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so some people like during the drought felt like they needed to help the wildlife out

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and leave out water and various other things.

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We highly recommend not doing that.

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It does congregate animals and potentially spread disease.

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So these are just some of the diseases that are potentially common to deer and

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Yeah, so we and we're actually going to

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increase our chronic waste and disease

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Surveillance in especially in the x-zones our wildlife veterinarian has some concerns of it. It is not in California yet

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But we do need to do surveillance for it because there are animals that could potentially be shedding the virus and not

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So we are going to start a bolstered surveillance program for that.

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The vehicle collisions are a huge problem for deer.

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And there's more superhighways being built in rural areas.

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So you want people to come up and enjoy the outdoors and the wildlife.

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And roads are being built to get those people there.

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And unfortunately, that is not a good thing for the wildlife at times.

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So that's another issue of the deer decline.

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And then poaching is actually a pretty big deal.

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I have another study going on in the El Dorado County,

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and we've had four of our color deer poached,

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which indicates to us that there's quite a large poaching issue going on.

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And unfortunately, Fish and Wildlife has very few law enforcement officers,

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and they can't be at all places at all time.

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And you guys are very fortunate to have an amazing warden working in your county

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who is very aggressively and actively looking for these people that are

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grossly taking these animals illegally. And then our predators the culprit. So

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mountain lions, I mentioned before, they are no longer hunted. Recreational

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hunting ended in 1972 for them. They were especially protected by passing a

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117 in 1990 and the depredation permit is the only avenue that allows take of

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mountain lions and we are seeing an increase in mountain lion conflict with

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humans especially in El Dorado County because there's a lot more hobby farmers

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and people obviously but we we think that their population is definitely

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increasing and that is going to have a huge impact on deer since that is their

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main source of food.

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And then bears, again, no longer can hunt with dogs.

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And the tag quotas aren't filled anymore, so we're seeing a population increase there.

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We're seeing bears moving further down in elevations, probably because there's more

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01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:04,400
bears and they have to be dispersing, which causes conflict with people.

1354
01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:08,760
And several studies have shown that bears may be influencing deer population numbers

1355
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:10,200
by stealing mountain lion kills.

1356
01:50:10,780 --> 01:50:15,020
And this was proven in a Minnesino study that was done.

1357
01:50:15,020 --> 01:50:26,220
And also just in my own knowledge and observations with another study that I have going on that we typically see a mountain lion kill and a bear will come.

1358
01:50:26,700 --> 01:50:31,300
And once the bear comes to scavenge on that kill, the mountain lion will leave and not come back to it.

1359
01:50:31,300 --> 01:50:32,620
So it needs to kill another deer.

1360
01:50:33,100 --> 01:50:36,440
So we think that this is having more of an impact than we realized.

1361
01:50:36,980 --> 01:50:39,980
So this is a video I'm not going to show because we don't have time.

1362
01:50:41,860 --> 01:50:45,680
It's just a deer or a bear stealing mountain lion kill.

1363
01:50:46,980 --> 01:50:49,520
So I wanted to talk a little bit about hunting the X-Zone.

1364
01:50:49,920 --> 01:50:54,580
So the top line is the tag quota over the years, what we've determined to be the tag quota.

1365
01:50:55,060 --> 01:51:00,580
And the interesting thing about this graph is that, so the reported is the purple number,

1366
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:02,160
the reported number of harvest.

1367
01:51:02,760 --> 01:51:08,020
And then we do kind of an estimate of how many people we think are not reporting.

1368
01:51:08,020 --> 01:51:10,640
And so that is the estimate in orange.

1369
01:51:10,940 --> 01:51:14,960
And as you can see that even though the tag numbers are high,

1370
01:51:15,520 --> 01:51:20,480
this actual harvest is pretty steady throughout the X8 zone.

1371
01:51:23,520 --> 01:51:28,320
And then the Carson River Apprentice Either Sex Hunt,

1372
01:51:28,400 --> 01:51:29,920
which is basically a junior hunt.

1373
01:51:30,420 --> 01:51:33,080
These are the results from that hunt from your county.

1374
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:38,460
And the top line, the blue is the tag quotas.

1375
01:51:38,460 --> 01:51:45,340
There's only 10 animals at first that were allowed to get tags, and that it's up to 15.

1376
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:48,120
And as you can see, the take is very, very minimal.

1377
01:51:48,340 --> 01:51:54,600
We have like four deer, and the green is the bucks, the red is the does.

1378
01:51:54,860 --> 01:51:58,600
Very minimal take, one to two deer each year.

1379
01:51:59,080 --> 01:52:04,360
And in 2015, the Board of Supervisors voted to eliminate their apprentice J7 hunt.

1380
01:52:04,360 --> 01:52:12,480
I just wanted to mention that there's probably more roadkill deer killed than from this apprentice

1381
01:52:12,480 --> 01:52:12,920
hunt.

1382
01:52:13,280 --> 01:52:20,260
And the hunt, and Julie mentioned this before, but the hunting license revenue that we gained

1383
01:52:20,260 --> 01:52:25,440
from these people being able to do this benefits the lands currently.

1384
01:52:25,660 --> 01:52:28,660
That's how we get money to do our lands program.

1385
01:52:29,950 --> 01:52:34,080
And the other thing to consider is impacts from all outdoor recreation because it contributes

1386
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:36,280
it's to the need for these deer to become highly adaptive.

1387
01:52:36,860 --> 01:52:39,000
So a lot of recreation is happening.

1388
01:52:39,160 --> 01:52:41,060
I've seen an increase just in the short time

1389
01:52:41,060 --> 01:52:42,660
that I've been in this county.

1390
01:52:43,800 --> 01:52:45,720
So hikers, backpackers, fishermen,

1391
01:52:46,320 --> 01:52:47,900
they're going to remote areas.

1392
01:52:48,180 --> 01:52:49,100
These deer are being dispersed.

1393
01:52:49,320 --> 01:52:50,400
They don't wanna be around people.

1394
01:52:50,840 --> 01:52:52,620
And so that has an impact on their behaviors.

1395
01:52:52,660 --> 01:52:54,520
So that may be why you're not seeing as many deer

1396
01:52:54,520 --> 01:52:56,760
because they're not frequenting in the same areas

1397
01:52:56,760 --> 01:52:59,040
because there's people now in those areas.

1398
01:53:00,280 --> 01:53:07,080
And this is just from the INDAL's website, just kind of a graph showing all these different

1399
01:53:07,080 --> 01:53:12,600
factors affecting the meal-deer decline and you can see there's a lot of different things

1400
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:13,460
that are contributing.

1401
01:53:14,700 --> 01:53:16,280
And so what can you do?

1402
01:53:16,820 --> 01:53:20,600
Be an advocate, be involved with county general plan updates, land use changes, zoning

1403
01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:26,260
changes, open space and deer corridors are important, commenting on forest plans

1404
01:53:26,260 --> 01:53:26,900
and projects.

1405
01:53:26,900 --> 01:53:31,520
Working with road departments to decrease vehicle, deer collisions is really important.

1406
01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:35,680
It's kind of a wave of the future that's happening within our department.

1407
01:53:35,820 --> 01:53:37,460
We're working very closely with Caltrans.

1408
01:53:37,680 --> 01:53:45,200
Caltrans is getting biologists on their staff to really address this issue of wildlife corridors

1409
01:53:45,200 --> 01:53:48,140
and wildlife underpasses and overpasses.

1410
01:53:48,620 --> 01:53:54,060
And it's something that we could potentially pursue here in Alpine County working with Caltrans.

1411
01:53:54,060 --> 01:53:59,740
And then continue to support conservation easements and land acquisitions for critical deer winter range.

1412
01:54:00,520 --> 01:54:02,780
And that is my presentation.

1413
01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:05,060
Thank you.

1414
01:54:05,380 --> 01:54:06,140
Are there any questions?

1415
01:54:08,860 --> 01:54:09,760
Okay, Ron.

1416
01:54:12,500 --> 01:54:16,980
I'm trying to find your graph here of the deer herds up and down.

1417
01:54:18,380 --> 01:54:19,700
The population?

1418
01:54:20,520 --> 01:54:21,160
Yes, the population.

1419
01:54:21,500 --> 01:54:24,040
Page 147 of our package.

1420
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:31,340
Prior to 1990, though, I would suspect the numbers were more closer to 10,000 at least

1421
01:54:31,340 --> 01:54:35,800
because of the way we had to stop when the deer herd went by when we were driving.

1422
01:54:36,020 --> 01:54:38,860
It wasn't like we dodged them. You had to stop. There was too many.

1423
01:54:40,280 --> 01:54:42,980
From that perspective, from that number to come down,

1424
01:54:43,160 --> 01:54:51,100
and then you're quoting logging as an event that's causing the decrease here,

1425
01:54:51,920 --> 01:55:00,270
We haven't had logging in here significantly 60 years, maybe last time there was a significant

1426
01:55:00,270 --> 01:55:00,910
log in.

1427
01:55:01,650 --> 01:55:07,090
Yeah, a long time, so that can't be used for our logging in fires.

1428
01:55:07,670 --> 01:55:12,290
And the fires that we've had have not been really affected a lot of the habitat except

1429
01:55:12,290 --> 01:55:21,910
for maybe one fire that was about 20,000 acres on the north shore of the Carson River

1430
01:55:21,910 --> 01:55:26,910
West East for the Carson River. So these aren't reasons that are affecting our herd

1431
01:55:26,910 --> 01:55:31,570
here. Our herd is being affected by either the density of the population in the winter

1432
01:55:31,570 --> 01:55:40,350
range, the vehicle kills, and the sustained take rate. We are not changing any of those

1433
01:55:40,350 --> 01:55:44,990
factors yet. The population has gone down and I'm curious why that doesn't go down.

1434
01:55:45,090 --> 01:55:49,990
We can't control the take rate from the cars. We can avoid them as best we can.

1435
01:55:49,990 --> 01:55:55,830
We can ask Caltrans to actually count them which we talked about in another meeting that they're not counting them

1436
01:55:55,830 --> 01:56:00,110
Which would be very helpful for you to know if that was a buck or a deer a doe that got killed and how?

1437
01:56:00,850 --> 01:56:05,690
And then of course that doesn't count the deer they got hit on the road and then died a hundred yards in

1438
01:56:05,690 --> 01:56:09,430
Which is probably more than actually are killed and slaughtered right on the highway

1439
01:56:09,430 --> 01:56:13,970
So I was curious of why these numbers keep coming that this is sustainable

1440
01:56:13,970 --> 01:56:19,550
It's not it's been going down continually even more so than your numbers reflect here

1441
01:56:19,990 --> 01:56:24,390
It's going down throughout the entire western states.

1442
01:56:25,170 --> 01:56:31,750
Dear populations, human populations are increasing, and so all these factors that I'm expressing

1443
01:56:31,750 --> 01:56:35,730
is happening throughout the landscape all over the western states.

1444
01:56:36,650 --> 01:56:42,330
I know you're focused on Alpine County, but this is something that's happening everywhere

1445
01:56:42,330 --> 01:56:45,930
in all of the herds, especially the migratory herds.

1446
01:56:45,930 --> 01:56:51,470
So, and you mentioned, you know, populations being huge a long time ago.

1447
01:56:51,850 --> 01:56:56,130
This landscape could no way support populations that high anymore.

1448
01:56:56,510 --> 01:57:02,610
The carrying capacity is much lower today than it was way back when there were less people,

1449
01:57:02,830 --> 01:57:04,590
less roads, less urban sprawl.

1450
01:57:04,590 --> 01:57:06,050
I have to bring you back to Alpine County.

1451
01:57:06,170 --> 01:57:06,770
We haven't grown.

1452
01:57:07,370 --> 01:57:07,990
It's not us.

1453
01:57:08,730 --> 01:57:09,410
It can't be us.

1454
01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:10,450
But Nevada has.

1455
01:57:10,630 --> 01:57:10,830
Right.

1456
01:57:10,930 --> 01:57:12,170
But again, a lot of it.

1457
01:57:12,170 --> 01:57:17,850
No, as you said in here, 50% actually are transferring into Nevada, so 50% aren't.

1458
01:57:17,950 --> 01:57:21,070
So how is the other 50% being mitigated so low?

1459
01:57:21,910 --> 01:57:28,090
Well, 50% of the collared deer that we had in our study, which is a small proportion.

1460
01:57:28,370 --> 01:57:29,090
Which we discussed.

1461
01:57:29,330 --> 01:57:31,710
I have pictures of 10% of your collared deer.

1462
01:57:31,850 --> 01:57:36,430
I just really find that amazing that I can take, individually can take 10% of your collared

1463
01:57:36,430 --> 01:57:37,050
deer pictures.

1464
01:57:37,430 --> 01:57:39,670
It's not enough of a test, in my opinion.

1465
01:57:39,670 --> 01:57:45,960
When we talk about this it has to be an honest answer here. In Alpine County the

1466
01:57:45,960 --> 01:57:50,240
turd has gone down. We haven't had the factors the other counties have. The

1467
01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:54,600
wasting diseases speculation and it hasn't really gotten to here yet. We have

1468
01:57:54,600 --> 01:57:58,360
a few of the other diseases that really haven't been huge numbers either here

1469
01:57:58,360 --> 01:58:02,620
in this county. Yet we have this population drop and we haven't lost

1470
01:58:02,620 --> 01:58:07,780
habitat in this area at all. And if 50% of the herd is leaving and 50%

1471
01:58:07,780 --> 01:58:13,380
staying, how come the 50% that's staying doesn't sustain those numbers and we

1472
01:58:13,380 --> 01:58:20,320
haven't lost habitat area in our county at all? Well you have to admit that the

1473
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:24,280
county has changed though, the amount of people visiting it, the amount of roads

1474
01:58:24,280 --> 01:58:33,520
that are coming in and again we can't separate Alpine County portion of

1475
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:37,080
the herd, the herd we have to look at as a whole and there's been a lot of

1476
01:58:37,080 --> 01:58:47,060
changes in this herd in the Nevada side and so again we can't focus on it just as

1477
01:58:47,060 --> 01:58:51,520
this portion because they don't know boundaries. You and I discuss this that

1478
01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:54,600
the northern part of this deer herd is being affected by the population in

1479
01:58:54,600 --> 01:58:57,580
Nevada. The southern part of the herd is not being affected. But there's no

1480
01:58:57,580 --> 01:59:01,760
northern, I don't understand what you mean, you mean just their winter range?

1481
01:59:01,860 --> 01:59:04,980
The northern part of Alpine County, the herd that goes from that part and

1482
01:59:04,980 --> 01:59:06,240
and tries to get to the pine nuts,

1483
01:59:06,340 --> 01:59:08,920
has much more of a problem getting through the Carson Valley

1484
01:59:08,920 --> 01:59:11,280
than it did 40 years ago, clearly.

1485
01:59:11,960 --> 01:59:13,940
The rest of the herd has not had any impacts.

1486
01:59:14,060 --> 01:59:15,900
There's not been a new road built in this county

1487
01:59:15,900 --> 01:59:18,780
in, again, 60 years perhaps as well.

1488
01:59:19,280 --> 01:59:22,100
The harvesting of the logging hasn't happened in 60 years,

1489
01:59:22,180 --> 01:59:23,860
so I'm trying to get you to understand

1490
01:59:23,860 --> 01:59:26,200
that the rest of the county is not affected by this.

1491
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:27,720
We do have outside factors,

1492
01:59:28,280 --> 01:59:30,120
but if you're saying only 50% of this herd

1493
01:59:30,120 --> 01:59:32,200
is actually leaving to be affected by that,

1494
01:59:32,820 --> 01:59:34,660
what's happening to the other 50%

1495
01:59:34,660 --> 01:59:39,080
And why is that in decline to at least probably 10% of its historical number?

1496
01:59:39,440 --> 01:59:46,760
Well honestly, we really don't know. I mean, we don't know. Like I said, our ability to get

1497
01:59:46,760 --> 01:59:53,760
science to figure out these questions that you have is very limited. We're trying and we're

1498
01:59:53,760 --> 01:59:59,840
improving, I have to say, in acquiring the proper science to understand what is happening with

1499
01:59:59,840 --> 01:59:59,960
Be safe.

1500
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:14,120
This isn't the only heard. So, yeah, my answer is I don't, I do not know. I know that all these things that I mentioned today are factors that do affect them. How much that affects them, I don't know.

1501
02:00:14,720 --> 02:00:24,660
I mean, we would have to call our predators along with that, do fawn recruitment, and all of these studies takes a lot of money and a lot of resources to do.

1502
02:00:24,660 --> 02:00:29,440
So the bottom line on my comment is, we've changed everything but the take rate.

1503
02:00:30,160 --> 02:00:32,500
We still take the same take rate but the population is dropping.

1504
02:00:33,040 --> 02:00:35,980
Would it make sense that we stop the take rate or slow the take rate down?

1505
02:00:37,500 --> 02:00:38,980
You mean for hunting?

1506
02:00:39,620 --> 02:00:42,080
The take rate is changing.

1507
02:00:42,600 --> 02:00:46,320
We have decreased it over time based on the population numbers.

1508
02:00:47,080 --> 02:00:47,740
Let me get to that.

1509
02:00:52,060 --> 02:01:04,820
The tag quotas used to be at the highest, it was 400 tags were issued down to 200 tags

1510
02:01:04,820 --> 02:01:11,840
or less, and we're only taking about 30 deer, an average of 30 deer out of the county.

1511
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:17,960
I guarantee you there's way more deer getting killed by cars, and at least those deer that

1512
02:01:17,960 --> 02:01:21,740
being harvested are being utilized for food for families.

1513
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:25,120
Yeah, I'm not going to argue that the people are

1514
02:01:25,120 --> 02:01:27,160
being taken the deer are eating them.

1515
02:01:27,260 --> 02:01:29,860
I'm glad that that's happening instead of taking trophy deers.

1516
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:32,440
I just discuss when people take it for a trophy.

1517
02:01:33,100 --> 02:01:35,920
But the opportunity for it, it's only 30 deer.

1518
02:01:36,160 --> 02:01:37,440
It is still a 30 deer.

1519
02:01:37,620 --> 02:01:40,680
That 30 deer could actually reproduce how many more deer

1520
02:01:40,680 --> 02:01:41,580
in two more years.

1521
02:01:41,800 --> 02:01:44,260
It's just amazing to me that that concept doesn't

1522
02:01:44,260 --> 02:01:45,160
get past the fish.

1523
02:01:45,280 --> 02:01:47,320
It's not just you, it's the whole agency that thinks

1524
02:01:47,320 --> 02:01:50,680
that that should state a name and I think the number should drop with the

1525
02:01:50,680 --> 02:01:52,300
reflecting of the population drop.

1526
02:01:54,720 --> 02:01:59,800
Okay, thank you Ron. David? Just a question,

1527
02:01:59,960 --> 02:02:04,360
can you make a stab at what percentage the population, the Deerhurst

1528
02:02:04,360 --> 02:02:09,080
population, is now compared to say the 1950s before development started in the

1529
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:14,560
Carson Valley on the Nevada side? I would have to go back and look at

1530
02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:17,580
those numbers as far back as the 1950s.

1531
02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:19,760
So I can definitely get that for you.

1532
02:02:19,860 --> 02:02:21,180
We have some information.

1533
02:02:21,420 --> 02:02:23,460
But again, those population numbers

1534
02:02:23,460 --> 02:02:27,880
are based on sampling techniques that have disadvantages.

1535
02:02:28,520 --> 02:02:30,540
Oh, no, I realize that's why I said, take a stab at.

1536
02:02:30,680 --> 02:02:31,440
Yeah, yeah.

1537
02:02:32,020 --> 02:02:34,780
And, you know, I do know it was before my time,

1538
02:02:34,860 --> 02:02:37,140
but I believe in the 1950s and 1960s,

1539
02:02:37,160 --> 02:02:38,580
there were thousands of hunters here

1540
02:02:38,580 --> 02:02:41,500
during the hunting season, and that probably had an effect.

1541
02:02:41,500 --> 02:02:42,560
I

1542
02:02:44,900 --> 02:02:50,520
just have to say that back in the 60s and 50s the ranches were sagebrush and

1543
02:02:50,520 --> 02:02:52,300
Pudill Road was basically ranches.

1544
02:02:54,530 --> 02:02:59,410
I have a question. Plenty of hunters too. So the

1545
02:02:59,410 --> 02:03:05,490
map that you have here is the Carson River Deer Range map. What is west of

1546
02:03:05,490 --> 02:03:14,170
that on the western side of our county on the other side of the hill? What

1547
02:03:14,170 --> 02:03:15,170
What is the name of that range?

1548
02:03:17,070 --> 02:03:25,570
That would be the, I think you're talking about the Grizzly Flat Herd, which is off

1549
02:03:25,570 --> 02:03:26,550
of 88.

1550
02:03:26,870 --> 02:03:27,670
Is that what you're talking about?

1551
02:03:28,130 --> 02:03:31,170
Well, 88 and four, you know, the rest of Alpine County.

1552
02:03:31,570 --> 02:03:31,790
Right.

1553
02:03:32,150 --> 02:03:34,330
So I was just wondering what the name of that range was.

1554
02:03:34,510 --> 02:03:38,070
There's a Grizzly Flat Herd that frequents that area.

1555
02:03:38,370 --> 02:03:40,870
And then also the Railroad Flat Herd.

1556
02:03:41,570 --> 02:03:44,210
Well, that's closer to, yeah, okay.

1557
02:03:45,810 --> 02:03:46,490
All right.

1558
02:03:47,450 --> 02:03:47,990
Thank you.

1559
02:03:48,150 --> 02:03:49,290
Any other questions?

1560
02:03:50,550 --> 02:03:51,490
Any other questions?

1561
02:03:52,410 --> 02:03:53,030
Not there?

1562
02:03:53,430 --> 02:03:53,610
No.

1563
02:03:54,410 --> 02:03:56,150
Well, thank you very much for your presentation.

1564
02:03:56,390 --> 02:03:57,250
I really appreciate it.

1565
02:03:57,290 --> 02:03:58,430
Thank you for allowing me to come.

1566
02:03:58,850 --> 02:03:59,530
Thank you, Shelley.

1567
02:04:01,620 --> 02:04:02,420
So guess what?

1568
02:04:02,520 --> 02:04:11,020
We've taken so long today, and we have a local transportation meeting that's scheduled

1569
02:04:11,020 --> 02:04:12,020
for 11 a.m.

1570
02:04:12,020 --> 02:04:18,700
So we're going to have to leave this meeting and open the local transportation meeting.

1571
02:04:18,940 --> 02:04:21,960
Did you want to take a quick break or just move right into that?

1572
02:04:24,870 --> 02:04:27,650
Yeah. Why don't we take a short break?

1573
02:04:28,990 --> 02:04:32,330
Okay. And then we'll reserve after that.

1574
02:04:32,690 --> 02:04:32,950
And

1575
02:09:02,490 --> 02:09:07,230
so we will move back to consent agenda.

1576
02:09:08,370 --> 02:09:10,310
So that's item number six.

1577
02:09:11,150 --> 02:09:15,790
These matters are expected to be routine and non-controversial and are usually approved

1578
02:09:15,790 --> 02:09:17,990
by a single majority vote without discussion.

1579
02:09:18,570 --> 02:09:22,850
Items can be removed from the consent agenda to be discussed and considered separately.

1580
02:09:23,390 --> 02:09:27,270
Prior to approval of the consent agenda, the chair will announce that comments or

1581
02:09:27,270 --> 02:09:32,490
questions will be taken from members of the public, staff, or the board on consent

1582
02:09:32,490 --> 02:09:37,590
agenda items when the comment does not necessitate the item being removed for separate

1583
02:09:37,590 --> 02:09:38,050
action.

1584
02:09:38,830 --> 02:09:45,070
I just wanted to point out that 6.1 and 6.2 minutes will be continued

1585
02:09:45,070 --> 02:09:50,490
and also 6.11 will be continued to the next meeting.

1586
02:09:51,710 --> 02:09:55,230
So are there any items that anybody wishes to discuss?

1587
02:09:55,370 --> 02:09:55,790
Yes, Brian?

1588
02:10:00,430 --> 02:10:06,590
Item 6.12, the successful candidate for the position is Cameron Docky in

1589
02:10:08,890 --> 02:10:10,890
the back.

1590
02:10:10,890 --> 02:10:12,870
Can you spell its last name?

1591
02:10:13,290 --> 02:10:15,090
E-O-P-K-E

1592
02:10:15,730 --> 02:10:16,250
Okay,

1593
02:10:20,500 --> 02:10:21,900
that's the information that we needed, yes?

1594
02:10:22,320 --> 02:10:27,120
I would like to pull 6.6, 6.8, and 6.11,

1595
02:10:29,260 --> 02:10:29,940
which is continuing.

1596
02:10:33,450 --> 02:10:38,090
Well, we're continuing it because of your corrections, I guess.

1597
02:10:38,430 --> 02:10:38,630
Okay.

1598
02:10:40,370 --> 02:10:41,710
I would vote the remainder.

1599
02:10:43,090 --> 02:10:43,530
Second?

1600
02:10:43,870 --> 02:10:49,610
Okay, we have a motion to remove, to approve the remainder

1601
02:10:49,610 --> 02:10:57,230
and that would be excluding 6.1, 6.2, 6.6, 6.8, and 6.11.

1602
02:10:57,610 --> 02:11:00,190
Madam Chair, just a comment on 6.10.

1603
02:11:00,450 --> 02:11:01,610
Yeah, 6.10.

1604
02:11:01,910 --> 02:11:02,710
Okay, sorry.

1605
02:11:03,010 --> 02:11:03,230
Sorry.

1606
02:11:03,830 --> 02:11:09,950
This is the item in regards to the Luka Businesses Bureau, and I just wanted to make a comment

1607
02:11:09,950 --> 02:11:16,050
that at the CSAC meeting and the government finance, they had a spokesperson there talking about this.

1608
02:11:16,050 --> 02:11:23,710
And it was suggested that this be headed up by your community development departments

1609
02:11:23,710 --> 02:11:31,030
and their GIS planning staff, that's the information that they need and would be the department

1610
02:11:31,030 --> 02:11:32,290
to gather that.

1611
02:11:32,530 --> 02:11:40,370
So I'll let you know that and also that the state of California is the only state

1612
02:11:40,370 --> 02:11:44,710
that is offering some type of reimbursement for counties coming forward and voluntarily

1613
02:11:44,710 --> 02:11:45,510
doing this.

1614
02:11:45,510 --> 02:11:49,990
So that's something that we'd want to apply for also.

1615
02:11:58,790 --> 02:12:02,610
So we're not calling 6.10, correct?

1616
02:12:02,890 --> 02:12:05,510
Correct, it's just additional information.

1617
02:12:05,830 --> 02:12:09,750
Yeah, the Board Chair signed and after that meeting it was suggested that we done through community.

1618
02:12:12,600 --> 02:12:14,920
Okay, any other comments on the motion?

1619
02:12:14,920 --> 02:12:17,500
Okay, all those in favor say aye.

1620
02:12:17,880 --> 02:12:18,280
Aye.

1621
02:12:18,840 --> 02:12:19,460
All those opposed?

1622
02:12:20,140 --> 02:12:21,460
Motion passes unanimously.

1623
02:12:22,340 --> 02:12:25,940
Okay, we'll move back to 6.6.

1624
02:12:26,780 --> 02:12:30,780
Request approval to extend Friday, December 22nd, 2017,

1625
02:12:31,160 --> 02:12:34,940
half-day holiday to a full-day holiday for county staff,

1626
02:12:35,560 --> 02:12:37,320
CAO and finance director.

1627
02:12:38,400 --> 02:12:41,100
So, David, you pulled this.

1628
02:12:41,100 --> 02:12:50,100
Yes. I think my comment is that with 15 paid days a year, that it's excessive to throw

1629
02:12:50,100 --> 02:12:55,100
in another one, another half day. It certainly doesn't happen in the private industry.

1630
02:13:07,970 --> 02:13:08,070
They

1631
02:13:08,070 --> 02:13:10,790
could take it off on their own, Nickel, but it seems to me excessive.

1632
02:13:20,030 --> 02:13:26,190
Flipside, I have to agree our work pretty hard expresses

1633
02:13:33,200 --> 02:13:34,380
our...

1634
02:13:59,660 --> 02:14:01,240
But you're talking about the future, right?

1635
02:14:01,240 --> 02:14:06,400
I mean because we this is just a couple of weeks away. Okay, we

1636
02:14:09,380 --> 02:14:11,200
have a motion. Is there a second?

1637
02:14:12,420 --> 02:14:13,540
We have a second

1638
02:14:14,380 --> 02:14:16,360
Okay, any other discussion on this?

1639
02:14:17,080 --> 02:14:23,540
All those in favor say aye. Aye. All those opposed. Thank you.

1640
02:14:24,120 --> 02:14:28,280
So the motion passes with four ayes and one no.

1641
02:14:31,120 --> 02:14:33,380
Okay, the next item to be pulled is

1642
02:14:33,380 --> 02:14:38,100
6.8 request approval of out-of-state travel for behavioral health services

1643
02:14:38,100 --> 02:14:42,340
director Alyssa Norris and behavioral health services clinical coordinator

1644
02:14:42,340 --> 02:14:46,560
Gail St. Lawrence to attend the National Council for Behavioral Health

1645
02:14:46,560 --> 02:14:57,700
Conference in Washington DC April 23rd through 25th 2018. Your comment. Yeah I'm

1646
02:14:57,700 --> 02:14:59,720
concerned about our state travel.

1647
02:15:01,390 --> 02:15:05,710
People across the country, for a small country like Alpine, seems to be excessive.

1648
02:15:06,950 --> 02:15:12,170
There are webinars, there's conferences in California on this material.

1649
02:15:12,790 --> 02:15:16,670
We don't send ourselves to NACO for similar reasons.

1650
02:15:18,130 --> 02:15:22,770
The $7,000 also looks expensive to me. I mean, to a number of conferences.

1651
02:15:23,230 --> 02:15:29,290
Last month I went to a conference in Guadalajara, Mexico for the entire mining industry of Mexico.

1652
02:15:29,290 --> 02:15:33,150
12,000 people attending and the total bill for my wife and I was about $2,500.

1653
02:15:34,690 --> 02:15:40,290
It just, to me, I know the behavioral health services does have a better budget than some of the other departments,

1654
02:15:40,850 --> 02:15:46,510
but they are able to do their work without traveling across the country, so I think it's excessive.

1655
02:15:48,590 --> 02:15:50,570
I want to make a comment about that.

1656
02:15:50,570 --> 02:16:00,550
But so the difference between us going to a NACO and them going to something that relates

1657
02:16:01,290 --> 02:16:04,610
with exactly what they're doing is kind of a little bit different.

1658
02:16:04,910 --> 02:16:05,930
I mean, this is their job.

1659
02:16:06,710 --> 02:16:08,730
So I guess I support it.

1660
02:16:11,060 --> 02:16:11,400
Okay.

1661
02:16:11,700 --> 02:16:15,960
The other department heads don't go across the country.

1662
02:16:20,290 --> 02:16:20,650
Okay.

1663
02:16:20,770 --> 02:16:21,170
Point taken.

1664
02:16:21,530 --> 02:16:21,710
Yes.

1665
02:16:21,870 --> 02:16:21,990
Rita.

1666
02:16:28,940 --> 02:16:35,040
I think the comment that I want to make is if we if I could travel and I do have

1667
02:16:35,040 --> 02:16:41,420
opportunities now and then out of state for the association for rural and small

1668
02:16:41,420 --> 02:16:44,700
libraries association they have a conference I think last year was Tennessee

1669
02:16:45,420 --> 02:16:49,420
I couldn't go because there was a staffing I had funding to go it was

1670
02:16:49,420 --> 02:16:51,780
would have been funded through the state and I would have been in the same

1671
02:16:51,780 --> 02:16:57,580
predicament now as Alyssa and I just want to say as a small rural department

1672
02:16:57,580 --> 02:17:02,660
head I think it's important to get to other areas even outside of California

1673
02:17:02,660 --> 02:17:08,120
to get that chance the information and the new ideas and just the one-on-one

1674
02:17:08,120 --> 02:17:12,620
in-person networking that that we get at something like that that we can bring

1675
02:17:12,620 --> 02:17:21,640
back to Alabama I think is valuable. Thank you for your comments Rita. Okay Carol I just kind of wanted to answer this also that

1676
02:17:21,640 --> 02:17:24,260
But it's just kind of unfortunate that it's in Washington, DC.

1677
02:17:24,680 --> 02:17:27,740
If it was in Washington State or Nevada State,

1678
02:17:27,860 --> 02:17:30,140
it might not be such a large price tag.

1679
02:17:30,440 --> 02:17:33,060
But the benefit that comes from this

1680
02:17:33,060 --> 02:17:36,340
and being able to bring back to the county

1681
02:17:36,880 --> 02:17:42,580
on a more global scale rather than just county to county

1682
02:17:43,300 --> 02:17:45,620
really opens up some avenues and things

1683
02:17:45,620 --> 02:17:49,020
that we may not have originally addressed before.

1684
02:17:53,800 --> 02:17:57,260
I'm sure there's a lot to be learned back in Washington DC.

1685
02:17:59,580 --> 02:18:00,460
So we have a motion.

1686
02:18:00,640 --> 02:18:01,240
Is there a second?

1687
02:18:02,260 --> 02:18:02,960
I will send it.

1688
02:18:03,480 --> 02:18:04,860
We have a motion and a second.

1689
02:18:05,040 --> 02:18:06,340
Any other discussion on this?

1690
02:18:07,900 --> 02:18:09,480
All those in favor say aye.

1691
02:18:09,760 --> 02:18:10,080
Aye.

1692
02:18:10,520 --> 02:18:11,100
All those opposed?

1693
02:18:11,960 --> 02:18:12,300
Aye.

1694
02:18:13,000 --> 02:18:15,040
So we have four ayes and one no.

1695
02:18:15,040 --> 02:18:16,660
Motion passes.

1696
02:18:24,260 --> 02:18:28,800
6.11 were continuing that one.

1697
02:18:31,380 --> 02:18:35,860
Alright, moving on here. Okay, 9.3.

1698
02:18:36,720 --> 02:18:39,700
Request amendment to budget 119.

1699
02:18:40,180 --> 02:18:47,940
Buildings and grounds to increase the expenditure in line item 119-56800-484.

1700
02:18:47,940 --> 02:18:58,700
MPUD rode from $150,000 to $187,000 with additional funding of $1,640 from the General Fund Contingency

1701
02:18:58,700 --> 02:19:11,960
and increased revenue in the line item number 119-31115-000 FEMA OES, contribution to $162,000

1702
02:19:11,960 --> 02:19:24,600
an increased revenue in line item number 119-33101-000 miscellaneous revenue to $14,080 and authorize

1703
02:19:24,600 --> 02:19:30,480
the finance department to make the appropriate budget adjustments requires a 4-fifth vote.

1704
02:19:31,280 --> 02:19:33,980
We needed a decoder ring for this one.

1705
02:19:37,760 --> 02:19:42,660
We kind of have the same comment in the agenda review, the agenda title is going to take longer

1706
02:19:42,660 --> 02:19:44,680
and there's probably the explanation.

1707
02:19:45,260 --> 02:19:53,000
So the simple explanation here is that we budgeted $150,000 initially for this project

1708
02:19:53,000 --> 02:19:57,420
based on very preliminary estimates that were done prior to the budget,

1709
02:19:57,980 --> 02:20:00,440
the final budget, which was what in September.

1710
02:20:01,380 --> 02:20:04,920
So we didn't have full, fully developed plans at that time.

1711
02:20:05,120 --> 02:20:06,900
We now have fully developed plans.

1712
02:20:07,160 --> 02:20:13,380
We actually have a construction contract that's been awarded under the authority of the CAO and myself.

1713
02:20:13,600 --> 02:20:15,700
So we know what the actual construction cost is.

1714
02:20:15,980 --> 02:20:23,520
So we know that it exceeds the budget that we put together for the final budget back in September.

1715
02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:26,560
So we need to increase the expenditure lines.

1716
02:20:26,640 --> 02:20:29,200
We're also going to get more revenue coming back in

1717
02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:37,240
because between FEMA and Cal OES, they cover all by six and a quarter percent of the eligible

1718
02:20:37,240 --> 02:20:43,620
costs, so the revenues will go up as well. The revenues, it's a little bit confusing

1719
02:20:43,620 --> 02:20:49,020
because it's divided into two different line items. One is FEMA OES and the other is miscellaneous.

1720
02:20:49,300 --> 02:20:54,540
That miscellaneous bit has to do with costs that aren't eligible through FEMA and Cal

1721
02:20:54,540 --> 02:20:59,600
and we asked, those are direct payments that will come from the Markleville Public Utility

1722
02:20:59,600 --> 02:21:04,940
District for some conduits that they wanted to have placed in the project that FEMA said

1723
02:21:04,940 --> 02:21:10,080
we can't fund those. That's not disaster recovery. That's an extra thing. So that's

1724
02:21:10,080 --> 02:21:15,940
really what this is. So the only thing I'll add is that the construction work started

1725
02:21:16,940 --> 02:21:23,640
yesterday. They anticipate being complete the Friday before Christmas if the weather

1726
02:21:23,640 --> 02:21:26,820
whole it looks like the long-range forecast it doesn't look like there's

1727
02:21:26,820 --> 02:21:31,380
anything major there so hopefully it all goes well and that project gets wrapped

1728
02:21:31,380 --> 02:21:32,460
up right before Christmas.

1729
02:21:36,060 --> 02:21:42,990
Board members? Approval? I have a question. Well we have a

1730
02:21:42,990 --> 02:21:48,170
motion so can we get a second? I'll second. Okay, thank you. Question? The

1731
02:21:48,170 --> 02:21:53,410
question is for Carol or Grace, stepping up already. How much is our number and

1732
02:21:53,410 --> 02:21:56,950
our general fund has gone up for a definite spending and if you put it on

1733
02:21:56,950 --> 02:22:01,230
the contingency fund, how much has that gone down since this is out and on?

1734
02:22:03,070 --> 02:22:09,150
Greg, Liz, DCAO, as outlined, it's $1,640 out of our general fund convincing.

1735
02:22:10,070 --> 02:22:15,290
So that would bring us to $17,640 out of that to date.

1736
02:22:20,130 --> 02:22:20,690
$640.

1737
02:22:21,470 --> 02:22:22,830
Out of $300,000?

1738
02:22:23,250 --> 02:22:26,610
No, that's what has been spent at $300,000.

1739
02:22:27,150 --> 02:22:28,510
So the contingency fund?

1740
02:22:30,070 --> 02:22:33,370
282, 360, my math right quick enough.

1741
02:22:34,210 --> 02:22:35,530
I'm going to ask every time.

1742
02:22:35,870 --> 02:22:36,290
No problem.

1743
02:22:36,470 --> 02:22:36,810
Thank you very much.

1744
02:22:37,190 --> 02:22:39,030
I've started on my whiteboard in my office.

1745
02:22:40,830 --> 02:22:41,770
Well, that's what you need.

1746
02:22:43,350 --> 02:22:43,790
Okay.

1747
02:22:45,910 --> 02:22:46,230
All right.

1748
02:22:46,350 --> 02:22:48,630
So we have a motion and a second on that.

1749
02:22:48,690 --> 02:22:49,770
Are there any other questions?

1750
02:22:50,810 --> 02:22:51,250
Okay.

1751
02:22:51,330 --> 02:22:52,470
All those in favor say aye.

1752
02:22:52,750 --> 02:22:53,130
Aye.

1753
02:22:54,250 --> 02:22:54,930
All those opposed?

1754
02:22:54,930 --> 02:22:57,030
Motion passes unanimously.

1755
02:22:58,330 --> 02:23:02,150
Okay, we'll move on to 9.4.

1756
02:23:02,290 --> 02:23:09,130
Request adoption of a resolution to amend resolution number 2010-48,

1757
02:23:09,910 --> 02:23:13,750
regarding permit fees for home occupations and residential short-term rentals.

1758
02:23:15,250 --> 02:23:16,550
Community Development Director.

1759
02:23:16,930 --> 02:23:18,550
Brian Peters, Community Development Director.

1760
02:23:18,550 --> 02:23:25,870
So that resolution, 2010-48, the fee resolution that was last adopted by the Board for all

1761
02:23:25,870 --> 02:23:31,290
the development processing fees and deposits that are made to community development.

1762
02:23:31,750 --> 02:23:37,610
With the new zoning ordinance changes that were approved last month, we have now a new

1763
02:23:37,610 --> 02:23:44,700
process for the short-term rentals, and then we modify the process for home occupations.

1764
02:23:44,700 --> 02:23:50,460
So, all we're doing here is recommending modifications to the fee schedule.

1765
02:23:52,260 --> 02:23:58,620
And what we're proposing here is since we've boiled the home occupations down to one category

1766
02:23:58,620 --> 02:24:04,300
that the fees for that be $100, that's a flat fee for an over-the-counter permit.

1767
02:24:05,420 --> 02:24:08,460
No other fees with regard to home occupations would be changed.

1768
02:24:08,760 --> 02:24:14,100
And for the residential short-term rental registrations, we're recommending that we

1769
02:24:14,100 --> 02:24:22,220
We charged no fee through all of 2018, and then starting in January of 2019, we would

1770
02:24:22,220 --> 02:24:22,720
have a fee.

1771
02:24:22,840 --> 02:24:28,440
We would come back to the board at some point, probably in the fall of 2018, based on our

1772
02:24:28,440 --> 02:24:33,780
history, and say, okay, it takes this much time to process the registration, so here's

1773
02:24:33,780 --> 02:24:36,860
what we would recommend the fee would be going forward, but at this point, we're

1774
02:24:36,860 --> 02:24:41,820
recommending that we not impose a fee so that we can make it easier for people that

1775
02:24:41,820 --> 02:24:45,560
a group to decide to come forward and register their unit.

1776
02:24:46,140 --> 02:24:49,640
So the $150 that wouldn't be it?

1777
02:24:50,080 --> 02:24:54,900
No, it would be zero, and then it would be some.

1778
02:24:55,520 --> 02:24:58,970
It's a registration over the counter, so I'm anticipating that in 2019

1779
02:24:59,340 --> 02:25:02,140
that fee's going to be relatively low.

1780
02:25:02,280 --> 02:25:04,720
I can't tell you what would be at this point.

1781
02:25:06,340 --> 02:25:06,880
Okay.

1782
02:25:11,720 --> 02:25:12,420
What's the resolution?

1783
02:25:13,180 --> 02:25:13,440
Second.

1784
02:25:14,020 --> 02:25:15,240
Here we have motion to second.

1785
02:25:25,180 --> 02:25:26,900
Any other questions on that?

1786
02:25:31,250 --> 02:25:33,970
All those in favor say aye.

1787
02:25:34,310 --> 02:25:34,810
Aye.

1788
02:25:35,290 --> 02:25:35,830
All those opposed?

1789
02:25:36,330 --> 02:25:37,630
Motion passes unanimously.

1790
02:25:38,710 --> 02:25:42,550
Okay, we're moving on to item 9.5.

1791
02:25:42,550 --> 02:25:51,250
And that is request approval of letter opposing closure of Bear Valley Post Office, and that's Supervisor District 4.

1792
02:25:52,870 --> 02:26:04,430
Yeah, so I guess all of you have heard that we, or that I announced earlier that we were notified in Bear Valley on the 25th of November,

1793
02:26:05,190 --> 02:26:11,330
first notification, by the way, that our post office would no longer be located in Bear Valley

1794
02:26:11,330 --> 02:26:18,270
that we would have to go to Arnold, which is 30 miles away and can take a long time in

1795
02:26:18,270 --> 02:26:20,850
inclement weather to get there. And that's one way.

1796
02:26:22,970 --> 02:26:25,470
So, of course, we have to leap into

1797
02:26:25,470 --> 02:26:30,310
action here and see what we can do to change this. And business members and residents

1798
02:26:30,310 --> 02:26:38,050
is having calling the person who signed this letter, who was working on the Sacramento

1799
02:26:38,050 --> 02:26:42,970
District. She's the marketing manager in the Sacramento District who wrote us this letter

1800
02:26:43,970 --> 02:26:52,450
and also knew on the job. Regarding this, and we're hopefully having a meeting on Wednesday

1801
02:26:52,450 --> 02:26:56,490
tomorrow with some of those staff members that are supposed to come up to Bear Valley

1802
02:26:56,490 --> 02:27:00,090
because there's been so much outrage about this announcement.

1803
02:27:00,550 --> 02:27:05,770
But we've also contacted Congressman Plintock's office

1804
02:27:05,770 --> 02:27:10,350
and talked to him about this, and he's working on it

1805
02:27:10,350 --> 02:27:12,970
and wants to get a letter from us as soon as possible,

1806
02:27:12,970 --> 02:27:14,450
just asking for his help.

1807
02:27:15,270 --> 02:27:19,490
So I've put together a letter here.

1808
02:27:20,030 --> 02:27:21,590
And I don't know, should I read it?

1809
02:27:21,630 --> 02:27:24,410
Because it wasn't included in the, OK.

1810
02:27:24,410 --> 02:27:31,250
Okay. So it's, uh, Dear Congressman McClintock, the Alpine County Board of Supervisors is asking

1811
02:27:31,250 --> 02:27:36,370
for your assistance in keeping the Bear Valley Post Office open. The community of Bear Valley

1812
02:27:36,370 --> 02:27:41,510
was notified by letter last week in our Post Office boxes from Brenda Pope, Marketing

1813
02:27:41,510 --> 02:27:47,010
Manager, Sacramento District, for the United States Postal Services, stating that the

1814
02:27:47,010 --> 02:27:51,910
last day of delivery of the mail to the PO boxes at the Bear Valley Contract Postal

1815
02:27:51,910 --> 02:27:59,870
Unit is December 27, 2017. This post office has been located in Bear Valley for at least

1816
02:27:59,870 --> 02:28:06,850
50 years. The letter states that beginning December 27, 2017, we will retrieve our mail

1817
02:28:06,850 --> 02:28:12,210
from the Arnold Post Office in the town of Arnold, which is 30 miles away. The one-way

1818
02:28:12,210 --> 02:28:16,750
trip can take 30 minutes in clear weather conditions and up to 60 minutes during the

1819
02:28:16,750 --> 02:28:24,950
inclement weather. This drive will be between 1-hour and 2-hour round trip. This is unacceptable.

1820
02:28:25,850 --> 02:28:31,030
We are located in the high elevation mountainous rural area. This round trip drive can be very

1821
02:28:31,030 --> 02:28:36,070
dangerous during winter conditions, putting our residents and businesses at risk navigating

1822
02:28:36,070 --> 02:28:42,450
the icy, the snowy icy mountain roads. This post office closure is a tremendous hardship

1823
02:28:42,450 --> 02:28:47,950
on our residents of working families, businesses, seasonal workers without transportation and

1824
02:28:47,950 --> 02:28:54,570
county services. All the businesses and residents in town rely on daily mail service. Being a

1825
02:28:54,570 --> 02:28:59,810
year-round recreational-based economy, the businesses such as the Bear Valley Ski Resort, Bear Valley

1826
02:28:59,810 --> 02:29:04,630
Cross Country, the Bear Valley Lodge, Bear Valley Vacation Rennels and Lake Alpine Lodge,

1827
02:29:04,750 --> 02:29:09,990
which have thousands of guests each year, depend on daily mail service to send information

1828
02:29:09,990 --> 02:29:15,790
brochures take reservations and deposits for lodging and purchasing of ski packages. The

1829
02:29:15,790 --> 02:29:21,130
Alpine County Community Services also rely on daily mail delivery such as the Bear Valley

1830
02:29:21,130 --> 02:29:26,310
Sheriff's Office, the Bear Valley Fire Department and EMS, the Bear Valley Health and Behavioral

1831
02:29:26,310 --> 02:29:31,630
Health Departments and the Bear Valley Library. The Alpine County Board of Supervisors thanks

1832
02:29:31,630 --> 02:29:35,910
in advance for your consideration and would appreciate any help that you can provide us

1833
02:29:35,910 --> 02:29:41,750
in this matter. And the same letter would be sent to the United States Postal Service

1834
02:29:41,750 --> 02:29:48,710
District Manager in Sacramento. The closing statement has just changed slightly and it

1835
02:29:48,710 --> 02:29:52,510
just says the Alpine County Motor Supervisor strongly requests that you work with the

1836
02:29:52,510 --> 02:29:57,930
Bear Valley community to immediately reverse this decision. We thank you for your consideration

1837
02:29:57,930 --> 02:29:59,430
and look forward for your reply.

1838
02:30:00,530 --> 02:30:04,670
So those are the letters here regarding the post office.

1839
02:30:05,290 --> 02:30:07,190
And I'm sure I'd like to move for approval.

1840
02:30:08,050 --> 02:30:08,410
Second.

1841
02:30:08,630 --> 02:30:11,370
So we have a motion to approve. In a second, any other comments?

1842
02:30:12,570 --> 02:30:13,410
Madam Chair, yes.

1843
02:30:13,590 --> 02:30:24,230
To say that I do sympathize with you and the residents of Bear Valley because this was something that happened to my community recently and I can't complain because

1844
02:30:25,790 --> 02:30:33,170
12 miles round trip is no more compared to some 60 miles away, or 60 minutes, so I will not

1845
02:30:33,170 --> 02:30:33,550
complain.

1846
02:30:33,990 --> 02:30:35,030
But I do support this.

1847
02:30:35,410 --> 02:30:35,830
Thank you.

1848
02:30:35,990 --> 02:30:36,210
I'm Ron.

1849
02:30:36,550 --> 02:30:37,490
I have a couple of questions.

1850
02:30:37,930 --> 02:30:42,430
One is, is there any other mail service between Bear Valley and Arnold to the other?

1851
02:30:42,590 --> 02:30:48,990
Oh, there is one that's 18 miles away, or it's 19 miles away, and that's Camp Connell,

1852
02:30:49,130 --> 02:30:52,190
but they have a waiting list for their post office boxes.

1853
02:30:52,190 --> 02:30:53,630
They don't have room for us.

1854
02:30:53,870 --> 02:30:58,490
But the post office delivers to that spot, so they're only 18 miles short of yours.

1855
02:30:58,970 --> 02:31:04,070
Yes, but they're also a contract postal unit as opposed to the main branch in Arnold.

1856
02:31:04,370 --> 02:31:08,470
So it's kind of a little different situation. We're a contract postal unit also.

1857
02:31:08,770 --> 02:31:10,030
Well, this happened up at Kirkwood.

1858
02:31:10,050 --> 02:31:10,670
Yes, I remember.

1859
02:31:10,870 --> 02:31:11,570
It was devastating.

1860
02:31:12,230 --> 02:31:15,430
In fact, I pulled my mail out of there in Kirkwood because of that.

1861
02:31:16,030 --> 02:31:19,430
And then the other thing is on the end of the first paragraph,

1862
02:31:19,430 --> 02:31:23,390
I think you might want to change this line. Maybe I don't read it correctly.

1863
02:31:24,170 --> 02:31:30,410
This drive time will be between a one hour round and a two hour round trip.

1864
02:31:30,970 --> 02:31:33,470
So I think some grammar changes on the map.

1865
02:31:33,550 --> 02:31:37,170
No. One hour round trip, right. You're correct.

1866
02:31:37,530 --> 02:31:39,610
So it's just something I noticed.

1867
02:31:40,350 --> 02:31:43,690
Other than that, I would like to help you as much as possible with this

1868
02:31:43,690 --> 02:31:46,990
and would be supporting this letter. I hope it does well for you.

1869
02:31:47,610 --> 02:31:48,550
I do too.

1870
02:31:50,130 --> 02:31:50,870
Thank you.

1871
02:31:51,530 --> 02:31:53,750
Okay, so all those in favor say aye.

1872
02:31:54,130 --> 02:31:54,510
Aye.

1873
02:31:54,910 --> 02:31:55,430
All those opposed?

1874
02:31:56,190 --> 02:31:57,290
Motion passes unanimously.

1875
02:31:57,570 --> 02:31:58,390
Thank you very much.

1876
02:31:58,410 --> 02:31:59,550
I really appreciate it.

1877
02:32:00,310 --> 02:32:01,930
So we'll move on to Item 10,

1878
02:32:02,450 --> 02:32:03,410
Administrative Announcements.

1879
02:32:06,120 --> 02:32:07,000
No announcements.

1880
02:32:08,810 --> 02:32:09,110
Okay.

1881
02:32:16,710 --> 02:32:18,030
Gregless, ACL.

1882
02:32:18,730 --> 02:32:19,810
As you'll be discussing,

1883
02:32:20,190 --> 02:32:22,570
I do want to formally come forward

1884
02:32:22,570 --> 02:32:24,470
and say that I have attended my

1885
02:32:25,570 --> 02:32:30,190
And as a week from Friday, I will be no longer an Outline County employee.

1886
02:32:30,450 --> 02:32:35,010
I do appreciate the opportunity to spend the floor to be by the board and the staff here in Outline County.

1887
02:32:35,610 --> 02:32:36,350
Thank you, great.

1888
02:32:37,130 --> 02:32:40,090
So I just trained you to come up with a number as a guide here.

1889
02:32:41,770 --> 02:32:42,950
Have a good trip.

1890
02:32:43,370 --> 02:32:44,870
You'll see my name in a couple months.

1891
02:32:47,230 --> 02:32:47,630
Okay.

1892
02:32:47,630 --> 02:32:57,190
Okay, so we have adjourned, number 11 is we would adjourn to other meetings and we have

1893
02:32:57,190 --> 02:33:04,910
adjourned to the local transportation commission already and we will be adjourning at 1.30

1894
02:33:04,910 --> 02:33:06,730
to the Board of Equalization Meeting.

1895
02:33:07,310 --> 02:33:16,070
So we're moving on to item 12, closed session, 12.1, Public Employee Appointment, 54957,

1896
02:33:16,070 --> 02:33:23,710
title, assistant CAO to budget and finance, CAO and finance director in 12.2 closed session

1897
02:33:23,710 --> 02:33:31,470
conference of legal counsel. Existing litigation pursuant to section 54956.9, Dort v. County

1898
02:33:31,470 --> 02:33:45,070
of Alpine case 2, 17-CV-01799-KJM-AC, deputy CAO to personnel and risk management.

1899
02:34:07,580 --> 02:34:20,080
And just to let you know, we've had a lot of problems with the encoder today, and so I'm waiting for actually a cellar to pause it, but it should not pick up anything, because I'm going to shut up all the mics and our mid-amp is off.

1900
02:34:20,080 --> 02:34:21,240
You guys can go in the back.

1901
02:34:22,060 --> 02:34:23,820
Just first, we're going into battle.

1902
02:34:24,360 --> 02:34:24,780
Be patient.

1903
02:34:25,760 --> 02:34:26,940
Better safe than sorry.

1904
02:34:27,020 --> 02:34:28,120
Yes, yes, yes.

1905
02:34:29,580 --> 02:34:30,100
Oh, oh.

1906
02:34:43,820 --> 02:34:45,600
Oh, my gosh, it's crazy.

1907
02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:46,580
What's the difference?

1908
02:34:47,860 --> 02:34:49,180
Oh, my gosh, it's crazy.

1909
02:34:49,180 --> 02:34:50,960
Oh, my gosh, it's crazy.

1910
02:34:50,960 --> 02:34:51,100
What's the difference?

1911
02:34:51,100 --> 02:34:51,260
Oh, my gosh, it's crazy.

1912
02:34:51,260 --> 02:34:51,500
Oh, my gosh, it's crazy.

1913
02:34:53,500 --> 02:35:00,800
Registration, our plates don't come up, our addresses don't come up, and I'm really worried about the lady there, because she doesn't want to use the phone.

1914
02:35:00,800 --> 02:35:02,060
I think this is getting through.

1915
02:35:04,600 --> 02:35:04,990
Oh.

1916
02:35:10,240 --> 02:35:11,020
Oh.

1917
02:35:13,740 --> 02:35:14,520
Oh.

1918
02:35:16,900 --> 02:35:17,680
Oh.

1919
02:35:20,140 --> 02:35:20,320
Oh.

1920
02:35:27,960 --> 02:35:28,340
Oh.

1921
02:35:44,520 --> 02:35:44,880
Oh.

1922
02:35:45,280 --> 02:35:45,400
Oh.

1923
02:46:39,060 --> 02:46:40,360
Yes, that's exactly what I did.

1924
02:47:02,990 --> 02:47:04,030
She did?

1925
02:47:09,610 --> 02:47:10,670
Oh, sorry, that's my mistake.

1926
02:47:10,790 --> 02:47:10,910
Oh,

1927
02:47:17,160 --> 02:47:17,560
yes.

1928
02:47:24,330 --> 02:47:24,650
Yeah.

1929
02:47:37,020 --> 02:47:38,480
Not right now.

1930
02:47:39,600 --> 02:47:40,240
Yes.

1931
02:47:40,900 --> 02:47:44,500
Okay. So we're coming back out of closed session.

1932
02:47:45,480 --> 02:47:50,820
And for 12.1, information was given.

1933
02:47:52,120 --> 02:47:53,900
And direction was given.

1934
02:47:53,900 --> 02:47:57,780
and on 12.2 information was given.

1935
02:48:00,380 --> 02:48:03,440
So we'll go to item 13, adjournment, the

1936
02:48:03,440 --> 02:48:08,580
board will adjourn to the next regular meeting on Tuesday, December 19, 2017

1937
02:48:08,580 --> 02:48:12,360
at 9 a.m. at Alpine County Government Center, 99 Water Street,

1938
02:48:12,360 --> 02:48:15,200
Markinsville, California. Thank you very much.