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Let's call to order Alpine City Council

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meeting for March 10th, 2026.

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We'll start with a roll call from

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Councilman Councilwoman Blackwell.

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>> Sarah Blackwell present. Chrissy Hammond

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present.

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>> Andrew Young present. Brent Rmler

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present.

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>> Jessica Smile present.

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>> Okay, we will have a prayer offered by

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Councilwoman Blackwell followed by a

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pledge led by um Councilman Young. Our

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dear father in heaven, we are grateful

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for this opportunity to be here and to

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serve our community. We're grateful for

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the residents of of Alpine. And we're

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grateful for this beautiful earth that

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thou hast created for us. We pray as we

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discuss matters that pertain to our

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community and our city that we might be

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um

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mindful of

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our duties and that we might um

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think clearly and logically and um we

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say these things in the name of Jesus

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Christ. Amen.

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>> Amen.

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>> All rise.

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Repeat after me. I pledge allegiance to

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the flag of the United States of America

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and to the republic for which it stands,

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one nation under God, indivisible, with

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liberty and justice for all.

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>> Thank you.

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» Okay, we'll move on to item two, which

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is the consent calendar. Are is there

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any questions regarding the items on the

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consent calendar?

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>> Yeah, the uh so we're we're just uh

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» uh

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>> just explain on the one item the

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>> Yeah, why don't you start there?

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>> The the cost for the 300 North Well, um

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Jason's here, but he was waiting on one

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item and so that didn't go out until

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about four o'clock today with the actual

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costs. Um, so

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if you want us to go over the details of

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that or however you want to handle that,

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we can.

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>> Yep.

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>> Jason, do you want to

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» You want to just explain?

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>> And while you're doing that, will you

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explain uh is this the same well, pardon

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because we just got this. Is this the

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same well that we did the uh 10,000 um

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Nickerson survey of or is that a

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different well? That's a different

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>> That's a different well. And then will

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you just explain like uh all of the

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things that this well is used for and

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kind of the capacity in comparison to

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the Healey just so I can get a bearing

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of because we've got so many.

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>> I'll take care of that part of it. Okay.

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So, so the 300 north well pumps into our

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pressurized irrigation system

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>> and it's it's a smaller well. uh Jason

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will get into a little bit. When it was

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originally drilled to add a higher uh

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pumping rate, but just with changing

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conditions, that's changed and that's

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part of the reason we're having to make

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some modifications to it, put a

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different size pump, different size

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motor. Um so this will pump at was it

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about 600 gallons a minute. The Hewell

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is like 3,200 gallons a minute.

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>> and this one is for the mid zone or

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lower zone. This pumps into the mid

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zone.

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>> Yeah. So that's that part of it. And

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then Jason can explain the

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modifications.

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do we want to go over the cost or the

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doing? And yeah. So, we as Shane said

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this, we've had some issues with this

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well and it came to light that we it

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would be best to replace the well um or

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the the pump, sorry, not the well, just

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the pump in the well. Um and with that,

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we originally looked, can we keep the

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same motor? And as we got into digging

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into that, um it came to light that

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using the existing motor probably isn't

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the best idea. Um, first, it's larger

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than what is needed for the well. Uh,

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second, it doesn't work as well with the

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equipment that will be installed. Um,

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we're also installing a, [clears throat]

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excuse me, a variable frequency drive

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with this. And that is the electronics

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that run the motor. And it it allows you

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to pump at different rates or different

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flows. And so it just gives us more

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control on on what actually gets pumped

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out of the well. Um, so we want to do

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sorry. And so that only so the new pump

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only requires a 200 horsepower motor.

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The existing one's 300. So we just

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figured it would be better to to use the 200 horse. Um,

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the other thing with the 300 horsepower

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motor, it's over two decades old, right

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Shane?

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>> I think it's the original motor

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>> and so we do not know how much longer it

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could last. And so kind of those

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reasons, it'll be we feel it'll be

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better to

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put the new motor in. Um, and then

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looking at the costs, we reached out to

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three different suppliers, Delco

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Western, Nickerson, and Techflow. And

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Heidi, do you want to Oh, yeah. Heidi

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has that up. The the different costs

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from them. Um, we've worked with Delco

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Western a lot and Nickerson. Uh, I've

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worked with Techflow in the past. As you

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can see, the Delco Western is the least

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expensive and

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enough pump for what we need.

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>> Any questions?

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>> Uh just a few, but feel free if you have

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them before I do or I can just finish

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mine and and [clears throat] pardon to

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ask these. We just got this an hour ago.

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So that's why I mean it's a$ 114 to

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$138,000 decision. So that's the only

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reason I'm spending a little bit of time

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on it. I hope that's okay. Um, so, so

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just so I'm clear, uh, this currently

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does run. The the the motor or the the

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pump does run or it doesn't run?

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>> It does not run.

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>> So, just the motor is valuable, but not

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the pump.

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>> Can we do we salvage the motor and use

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it elsewhere?

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>> We can sell it. We, you know, we're

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probably not going to get a lot out of

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it, but we can put it on Pike Surplus

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and sell it.

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>> And as of right now, this pump is just

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obsolete, not working. the pump because

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of the sand that pumped through it. It

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It's like just run a metal against

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sandpaper. So, it just wears everything

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out. So, that's what happened. The

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pump's not worth anything.

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>> And this isn't a like this this is

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something that like we uh we wouldn't

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want to delay on because we want to use

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this this this summer.

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those those are my only questions. I

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might think of one other one is so if we

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tabled this for two weeks just to do a

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little bit more research is that going

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to cause a big problem only because of

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the cost

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>> the reason we didn't push it off already

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that's why okay thanks does anyone else

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have any other questions

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>> Andrew I'll say if you've got questions

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afterward just feel free to ask

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>> just real quick of the 114,000 what is

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the price of the motor of that 114 and

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pull that up the motor itself itself for

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the Delo Western is just under 24,000

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>> for the reason you stated. The other

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one's working fine and it would be

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serviceable, but you just don't know how

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long it's going to last and it's kind of

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overkill.

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the VFD, the variable frequency drive,

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it will need to be upsized for the

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current motor and that extra cost is

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right around $10,000

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to use the existing motor. Okay.

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>> Um, and then if that does ever go out

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and we use the the bigger VFD, we may

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have to change the VFD. Plus, there's

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also where the motor connects to the

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well itself. That may need to be

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adjusted as well. Plus, there's a cost

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to install,

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remove, and install the motor, too. So

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all those costs play into to choosing

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the 200 horsepower motor.

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>> Thanks for that clarification. That

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makes sense.

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>> We we kind of weighed the pros and cons

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of going one way or the other. And like

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it's a 300 horse motor because it used

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to pump more water, which means it needs

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more power to operate it, but it's

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likely not going to pump at that rate

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ever again. And so it's kind of biting

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the bullet now to to get it right. And

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it lasted 20 years, right? You're saying

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>> that one did. I mean, motors, it's hard

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to guess. It's like your computer. It

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might last

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installation, the hardware and

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everything? Or we is there another cost

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that comes along with this?

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>> That's everything.

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>> Is everything the full thing working?

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a little we'll need to hire a electrical

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contractor to come and just connect the

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wires.

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>> And um what's the timeline on this if we

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were to approve this when it could be

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running? Like is this a two-year timet?

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» I don't have a direct number for the

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Delo Western. Um the Nickerson motor was

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about a six to 8 week lead time.

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That means how long until they can

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start, right?

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>> Until they to order from the time they

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order to the time it arrives.

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>> And then how long is the installation?

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>> a week, maybe two, Shane.

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>> Well, some of the the electrical stuff

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could be done while the motor is coming.

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>> But then they and they could even set

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the pump if they wanted to, but there's

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going to be a lead time on the pump,

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too, of probably six weeks.

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>> I'll bet. Thank you.

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>> we're just trying to get it in as fast

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>> I just have one question. With the new

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pump and motor, will it is it engineered

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differently so it doesn't take as much

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of the sand and

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or is that just a normal problem?

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>> We're going to put a sand separator on

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the bottom of the pump, which should

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help some, but reducing the flow rate

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should also help. And then with this

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variable frequency drive, you can pump

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like if conditions change, you can

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change the flow that you're pumping at,

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which should pull in less sand also. So

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there's a lot of different things going

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on. Um, and the whole reason we we're

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doing it is because the conditions we're

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dealing with there. So

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I just think with our summer ahead,

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every piece of equipment is going to be

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utilized and needs to be in top working

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order. So, thank you for being um

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>> on top of it.

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>> What is the word? Proactive. Thank you

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for being proactive.

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>> And when you mention the conditions

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there, is that because the water levels

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go in lower?

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>> Yes, it's dropped significantly since

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the well was drilled

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>> in the

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late 80s, early 90s.

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>> Okay. If there's no further questions,

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I'll entertain a motion.

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>> Well, hold on. We hadn't done C yet. Can

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I just ask quick about C? Yes.

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>> On C, I just uh I was trying to go into

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my memory bank. Was this the position

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where um originally Ryan was put in that

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position and then we're swapping it?

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>> Yes. Because Ryan's no longer here,

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>> right?

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>> And we don't officially have a member.

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So, we don't have anyone that has voting

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rights. It's usually the city engineer.

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We didn't have one. So, Ryan was

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>> right.

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>> The person

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>> Jed Jed went prior.

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>> Right. Right. Okay. Is there any chance

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in the future we can get a uh

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legislator on one one on this council?

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>> Not on the TAC committee. It's um I

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don't know anyone [clears throat] that's

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on the TAC committee that's isn't like a

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either a city administrator or a um

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engineer. That's who they suggest to be

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on it. It's a technical advisory

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committee

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>> on the staff report. I I took the the

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text in italics right off the MAG

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website.

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>> Right. and it they describe what the who

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makes up that committee.

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>> Are legislators able to do it or are

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they

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>> I'm not when I was there I don't recall

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ever having like an elected official

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>> usually have employees staff

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>> because it provides consistency. The

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longer somebody is there able to build

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those relationships and

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>> they know how it works and so you want

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that continuity.

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>> I I love I agree with that. I just

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assumed uh a legisle would be or a

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resident would be would as we are seeing

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be more consistent because they don't

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leave they can't they just like leave

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the job. So they actually I I'm with

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you. I would think a a legislator would

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actually be more consistent especially

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what we just have gone through. Um

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anyways

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>> but it goes from this body to an elected

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body. That's the what do you call your

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group mayor?

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>> The executive council.

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>> Yeah. So like when we uh applied for the

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Canyon Crest project with Highland, it

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went through the TAC committee. They

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rated it or ranked projects. We ended up

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u within the money they had for that uh

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funding year and then those projects

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went to the mayor's group and the

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electeds

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got to to approve those there.

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>> All right. Well, in the future if they

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allow legislators, I think it'd be

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helpful.

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Anything else? Any other questions? If

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not, I'll entertain a motion.

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» I move to approve the consent calendar.

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>> Is there a second?

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>> I'll second.

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>> Moved by Councilwoman Haniman, seconded

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by Councilman Rummler to approve the

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items on the consent calendar. Let's

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proceed with a roll call vote.

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>> Sarah Blackwell, yes.

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>> Chrissy Henman, yes.

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Andrew Young, yes. Brent Rama, yes.

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>> Jessica Smu, yes.

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>> Okay, we'll move on to item three, which

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is public comment. We have two people.

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We have We'll first start with Mario and

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then followed by Dan Himenez. If you can

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step up and state your name and just the

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street that you live on in the city and

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then you have three minutes to make your

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statement.

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>> Good evening.

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>> My name is Mario Jimenez.

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Good evening. My name is Mario Jimenez.

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I live on uh Whitby Woodland Drive.

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Um I have uh reached out to Andrew.

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has helped me. He's forwarded

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this communication to you all. You all

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should have copies of it. I think the

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most succinct and efficient way of

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delivering my message is just to simply

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read it to you. Dear council members,

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first and foremost, thank you for all

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your genuine endeavors and unselfish

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dedication to the service of our beloved

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city. My name is Mario Jimenez. My

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family and I have been Alpine residents

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since 1998. We love our city and only

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seek what is edifying and beneficial to

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our community. My efforts via this

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communication center around a clearer

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understanding and hopefully the goal of

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an updated implementation of Alpine City

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Municipal Code regarding the use of golf

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carts on our public streets. As a

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succinct review, the current Alpine City

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Code currently only addresses golf carts

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regarding parking during snow

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conditions. The understanding of what is

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and not specifically allowed, license

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registered, is at best vague and

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unambiguous, and in today's environment,

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not an efficient directive. I've

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included an attachment.

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The reality is that the presence of golf

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carts on city streets is a cogent issue

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and one that will without a doubt

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increase in numbers and frequency. There

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is a myriad of reasons that this is

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factual. Certainly, the convenience of

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utilizing a transportation platform that

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has a lower carbon emission and decibel

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discharge as well as providing a smaller

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footprint in and around common public

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and parking areas. These methods of

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transportation have greatly evolved in

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recent years due to the advances in

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technology. Nationwide, there are

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thousands of communities of all sizes

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which not only allow but more

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importantly encourage the use of golf

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carts as substitutes for much larger,

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heavier, more pollutant and louder motor

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vehicles. Furthermore, the beneficial

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update of our city's municipal code is

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reflected a new in the assistance and

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support provided to our beloved senior

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citizens who due to a myriad of maladies

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will have on a less than optimum day an

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additional means of mobility. So, how do

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we update the Alpine City Municipal

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Code? If I may humbly profer, our sister

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city of Highland in May of 2025 updated

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the municipal code via the approval of

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specific reference to the approved use

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of golf carts. I've added an attachment.

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Interestingly enough, the specific

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language crafted in this newly codified

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update mirrors to the most extent

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possible the language already found

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within the Utah State Applicable Codes

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and Regulations. Utah State being the

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repository for the ultimate authority.

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Since the Lone Peak Fire uh excuse me,

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since the Lone Peak Police Department

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oversees public safety along with

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traffic enforcement in our city, it will

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be most effective to provide them with

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similar and familiar municipal document.

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May I then suggest that the Alpine City

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promptly update their municipal code by

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adapting an equivalent document to the

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Highland City did in the summer of 2025.

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As a final point of reference, I visited

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with Donwigley regarding this issue and

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is a source for the details of the

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current Alpine City Municipal Code. He's

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a

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» Thank you.

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>> Thanks, Mario.

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» Um, I'm here representing Mountain Bill.

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So, do I get an extra minute if I

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represent a group? That That's the rule.

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Extra minute.

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Okay. Um I'm Dan Jimenez. I live on

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Coventry Lane. Uh I, like I said,

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represent Mountainville Academy here

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tonight as our uh city council relations

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uh chair. Um I just wanted to make one

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quick public comment in support um in

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general of the recommendations listed in

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the traffic studies that were just

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submitted by fairs and peers. I think

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that or we think as a school that in

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general their recommendations are

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consistent with our view on how to best

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help alleviate uh and improve the

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traffic and safety situation in and

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around Mountainville. Um I'm not going

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to go through it in detail. I just need

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to hit some of the main items. You all

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have the reports. You're going to talk

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about it later, so I don't need to get

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into details. Just most broadly, the use

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of one the property on 100 South uh in

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conjunction with broader improvements to

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be made to the Mountainville site, I

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think would significantly increase the

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amount [clears throat] of uh on-site

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pickup and drop off and alleviate flow

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from Main Street and create a staging

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area for students and cars in a similar

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fashion as we see at Legacy Park, but

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moved uh on the other side of the street

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closer to the school. And I think it's

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particularly advantageous the use of

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that land for residents of Alpine who go

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to Mountainville as it, you know, being

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on the north side. Uh second, the use of

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Red Pine as a pickup area. We are happy

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to test it. We are happy to put in a

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sidewalk on the south side of the

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property to enable uh the students to

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access Red Pine without having to cross

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traffic. That was brought up in the

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study and that was already part of our

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bigger our uh broader redevelopment plan

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was to put a sidewalk there. Um, and

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then thirdly, uh, movement of the

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crosswalk, uh, to the south of where it

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currently is. We believe that would be a

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great increase in improvement in traffic

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and, uh, uh, traffic flow and safety

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would enable more pickups to happen

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south of the school. Um, and the school

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would make site improvements on our side

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to interface better with wherever that

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crosswalk lands. Um, as my last comment,

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I do think that um, since the study was

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requested by the city and the traffic

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council, uh, a second idea came uh, came

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up as to where exactly to place it,

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whether directly in line with the school

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in between the entrance and the exit or

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just to the north. Um, I think that the

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option of placing it just to the north

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is very much worth considering. Um if if

544
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it allows uh to retain the ability for

545
00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:42,159
vehicles exiting onto Main Street to

546
00:20:42,159 --> 00:20:44,000
turn left, but in a controlled manner

547
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:46,159
under the direction of a crosswalk

548
00:20:46,159 --> 00:20:48,320
crossing guard or a traffic uh safety

549
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:51,200
officer, that uh retainment of a left

550
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,919
hand out would improve the egress rate

551
00:20:53,919 --> 00:20:56,320
out of the school parking lot. And that

552
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:58,080
overall efficiency, it would only

553
00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:00,000
require us to double our flow rate out

554
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:01,919
of the school parking lot in order to

555
00:21:01,919 --> 00:21:03,919
get all the cars through the parking lot

556
00:21:03,919 --> 00:21:07,120
during pickup. Um, so all the h the 50%

557
00:21:07,120 --> 00:21:08,799
that spill over onto side streets and

558
00:21:08,799 --> 00:21:10,960
Legacy Park, if we increase the flow

559
00:21:10,960 --> 00:21:13,200
rate there, uh, by which I think we can

560
00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:16,000
by 2x would be really helpful. Um, it

561
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,120
would increase parent adoption and, uh,

562
00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:23,919
would help balance traffic.

563
00:21:23,919 --> 00:21:25,840
So, I'll just say that we're ready to

564
00:21:25,840 --> 00:21:28,960
funds as a school to

565
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,440
whatever needs to be done.

566
00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:35,594
So, thank you and

567
00:21:35,604 --> 00:21:37,830
» [laughter]

568
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,520
» father-son combo.

569
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,120
>> I'm impressed. Very.

570
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:47,520
>> Okay, let's um move on to item four,

571
00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,760
reports and presentations,

572
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,039
the Main Street Traffic Study Review.

573
00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:54,480
>> Mayor, point of information, I

574
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,000
apologize.

575
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:57,919
on the last

576
00:21:57,919 --> 00:22:00,159
uh I don't know if it was defined so

577
00:22:00,159 --> 00:22:04,080
pardon if I missed it on the uh consent

578
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,080
calendar we approved it but did we

579
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:10,480
approve which budget the 114 the 137 or

580
00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:11,520
the 138

581
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,760
>> we usually always go with the lowest bid

582
00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,200
>> is that the plan

583
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:15,760
>> yes

584
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:16,559
>> okay I didn't

585
00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:18,240
>> we should clarify it in the minutes but

586
00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:19,760
yeah that was the intent

587
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:21,360
>> how do how do we go about clarifying

588
00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:22,799
something like that just so I know for

589
00:22:22,799 --> 00:22:24,320
in the future does it just kind of

590
00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,159
happen later or

591
00:22:26,159 --> 00:22:27,840
>> yeah, usually when we get it though, we

592
00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:29,760
usually just get it for the lowest price

593
00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:31,039
and award it.

594
00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:32,480
>> Do we need to add that in there?

595
00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:35,679
>> And it could just be that

596
00:22:35,679 --> 00:22:39,200
>> with our short time um allotted from

597
00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:40,799
information to meeting, right?

598
00:22:40,799 --> 00:22:43,280
>> We're just out of our normal sequence.

599
00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:44,720
>> I know we're out of the sequence, but we

600
00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:45,919
didn't define it and so I just don't

601
00:22:45,919 --> 00:22:47,520
know what they're supposed to do. I'm

602
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:48,559
not trying to take time.

603
00:22:48,559 --> 00:22:50,000
>> Yeah. So, you can always assume that

604
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:51,280
it's going to go with the lowest bid.

605
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,200
Usually, we don't see the others. Um,

606
00:22:53,200 --> 00:22:54,640
usually it's presented with it or

607
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:56,320
they'll say it and you know it's awarded

608
00:22:56,320 --> 00:23:00,240
to that. But yes, that um

609
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,080
>> well we can include that detail in the

610
00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,320
minutes if the council's okay with it

611
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,240
just to clarify and make sure we're all

612
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:07,679
>> Does anyone object to going with the

613
00:23:07,679 --> 00:23:09,925
lowest bid unless there's some sort of

614
00:23:09,925 --> 00:23:11,600
[clears throat] uh problem that forces

615
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,039
us to look at one of the higher ones?

616
00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:14,640
Chrissy or anyone?

617
00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:16,720
>> Okay, pardon the interruption. I just

618
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,240
thought that would be helpful. The last

619
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:19,360
thing is because there were so many

620
00:23:19,360 --> 00:23:21,120
residents, did we miss any of the

621
00:23:21,120 --> 00:23:22,480
residents that wanted to give public

622
00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:24,400
comment?

623
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,480
>> No. Okay.

624
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,840
>> Okay. Let's move on to the traffic study

625
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,840
review. Jason, are you doing that or is

626
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:32,640
Shane doing that?

627
00:23:32,640 --> 00:23:34,720
>> If I can just just mention a couple

628
00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:36,880
things just kind of how we got here. Um,

629
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:39,919
so this item came up back in at the

630
00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:42,640
November 11th council meeting just

631
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:46,159
during communication. um was requested

632
00:23:46,159 --> 00:23:48,880
that you know the crosswalk be

633
00:23:48,880 --> 00:23:52,480
relocated. Um so we said that we need to

634
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,776
have a a warrant study to do that.

635
00:23:55,776 --> 00:23:57,280
[clears throat] Um we discussed it just

636
00:23:57,280 --> 00:24:02,070
a little bit in uh

637
00:24:02,080 --> 00:24:03,440
what was that must have been a special

638
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:07,440
council meeting. It was on 11:18.

639
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:10,640
But then on January 13th, we had on the

640
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,600
agenda approval of this proposal from

641
00:24:13,600 --> 00:24:16,480
Fair and Pierce to conduct this main

642
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,919
street crosswalk uh warrant study and

643
00:24:19,919 --> 00:24:23,919
then some related items. So um Michael

644
00:24:23,919 --> 00:24:27,279
from Fair and Pierce uh Michael Adamson

645
00:24:27,279 --> 00:24:31,039
uh is on Zoom tonight and he's prepared

646
00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:34,640
these uh studies and reports and will

647
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,880
report on those to us and hopefully

648
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,240
answer any questions that you might

649
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:44,789
have.

650
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:47,200
» All right, perfect. Thanks for uh

651
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:48,559
introducing me and providing that

652
00:24:48,559 --> 00:24:50,000
history and and thank you for getting

653
00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,200
the uh slides up for me, council. It's

654
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,279
great to be able to talk to you. I'll go

655
00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,200
ahead and put my uh video on because

656
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,120
it's always weird to talk to someone

657
00:24:59,120 --> 00:25:03,679
divorced of uh of the face. So, uh it's

658
00:25:03,679 --> 00:25:07,600
good to uh chat with you all. Um, as as

659
00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:09,760
was stated, this study, the purpose of

660
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,679
it was um to first warrant whether or

661
00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:15,760
not a crossing could be moved at all and

662
00:25:15,760 --> 00:25:18,000
then to explore what that movement looks

663
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,080
like and how that would impact uh

664
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:21,919
potential routing. Uh can we go to the

665
00:25:21,919 --> 00:25:24,960
next slide?

666
00:25:24,960 --> 00:25:27,360
Uh so the larger purpose of that routing

667
00:25:27,360 --> 00:25:30,720
study was uh mainly to evaluate ways to

668
00:25:30,720 --> 00:25:32,240
further mitigate the traffic condition

669
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:35,919
and and safety concerns observed uh uh

670
00:25:35,919 --> 00:25:37,840
in relation to access to Mountainville

671
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:39,679
Academy during that pickup and drop off

672
00:25:39,679 --> 00:25:42,080
period. uh with the three main issues

673
00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,760
observed during our site visit in

674
00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:46,240
January being uh the pedestrian crossing

675
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,320
itself honestly being one of the main

676
00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,320
sources of a lot of that congestion that

677
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,159
occurs in the northbound and southbound

678
00:25:52,159 --> 00:25:58,000
directions uh particularly during the uh afternoon uh pickup period. Uh

679
00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:00,080
just a lot of you know vehicles need to

680
00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,360
stop for that crossing. There are quite

681
00:26:01,360 --> 00:26:03,200
a few students that are crossing east

682
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,600
west at that school crossing. Uh and so

683
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:06,960
with waiting for those crossings to

684
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:08,799
occur, you do see a lot of spill back uh

685
00:26:08,799 --> 00:26:10,000
particularly in that northbound

686
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,039
direction. Uh unsafe uh left turn

687
00:26:13,039 --> 00:26:14,159
movements. One of the things that we

688
00:26:14,159 --> 00:26:18,080
observed at the access itself is um

689
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:20,000
vehicles would take advantage when there

690
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:21,679
was that opportunity and those gaps

691
00:26:21,679 --> 00:26:23,360
occurred as a result of the crossing

692
00:26:23,360 --> 00:26:25,679
blocking the way. Uh vehicles would turn

693
00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:27,279
left. But we also observed quite a few

694
00:26:27,279 --> 00:26:32,080
instances where between when um those

695
00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:34,480
the the crossing was open and vehicles

696
00:26:34,480 --> 00:26:37,440
could go through. Uh there were still

697
00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:38,799
quite a few left turns that were

698
00:26:38,799 --> 00:26:40,320
occurring and particularly lots of

699
00:26:40,320 --> 00:26:42,480
instances where there were near misses

700
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,039
of vehicles trying to turn left and uh

701
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:46,799
conflicting with southbound traffic that

702
00:26:46,799 --> 00:26:48,480
couldn't see them very well in the

703
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:52,000
queue. Uh and so that's one of the main

704
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:53,679
uh motivations behind trying to explore

705
00:26:53,679 --> 00:26:55,360
ways to improve that dynamic.

706
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:56,640
Additionally, one of the things brought

707
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:58,080
up and what that what we further

708
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,080
observed particularly in the pickup

709
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,799
period was parent staging issues and

710
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:04,720
parent staging occurring on Main Street

711
00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:08,000
100 South uh and Center Street.

712
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,840
Particularly the staging on Main Street.

713
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,360
We observed multiple instances where

714
00:27:11,360 --> 00:27:14,400
this led to conflicts when parents uh

715
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:17,679
pulling out uh from the shoulder would

716
00:27:17,679 --> 00:27:20,000
either pull a U-turn or uh to conflict

717
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,880
with the southbound traffic or would uh

718
00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:24,559
merge directly into northbound slowing

719
00:27:24,559 --> 00:27:26,559
down traffic and leading to further uh

720
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:32,230
cues in that area. Uh next slide.

721
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,400
uh in thinking through what potential

722
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:37,840
solutions there might be. Uh the main

723
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:39,200
recommendation and this recommendation

724
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:41,760
originally stems from a study performed

725
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,080
by Hails Engineering for Mountain View

726
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,120
Mountainville Academy. Uh shifting the

727
00:27:47,120 --> 00:27:48,720
crossing to align with the on-site

728
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:50,960
pedestrian area does present an

729
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,120
opportunity to remove conflicts with

730
00:27:53,120 --> 00:27:55,360
vehicles leaving and turning right out

731
00:27:55,360 --> 00:27:58,000
of the site. which means by allowing

732
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,640
those right turns to move freely of the

733
00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:02,480
pedestrian area, they also are no longer

734
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:05,279
contributing to cues and vehicles

735
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:06,640
waiting on Main Street because they're

736
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:09,279
able to flow independent of that um

737
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:14,159
crossing area. Additionally, um the main

738
00:28:14,159 --> 00:28:17,039
impact to potentially closing the left

739
00:28:17,039 --> 00:28:20,000
turn movement out of uh the egress, the

740
00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,399
main egress on Main Street. Uh that

741
00:28:22,399 --> 00:28:26,000
would result in roughly 190 a.m. uh

742
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:28,880
trips rerouting and 130 p.m. trips

743
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,279
rerouting. Uh we looked at potential

744
00:28:31,279 --> 00:28:32,960
choke points where they would reroute

745
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,440
to. Um Canyon and Ridge was one of

746
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:39,760
those. uh as well as um Main Street and

747
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:42,000
200 North were other choke points where

748
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,440
they would reroute through neighborhood

749
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,480
streets to those before moving on to the

750
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:49,360
uh other corridors that would allow them

751
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,960
egress from Alpine. Uh when we analyzed

752
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:54,720
those choke points, we did not see any

753
00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:56,880
issues uh that weren't already being

754
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:00,000
addressed by larger city plans. Uh when

755
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:01,760
it comes to the staging area to Red Pine

756
00:29:01,760 --> 00:29:03,200
Drive, we found that it generally would

757
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,640
operate acceptably and would allow for

758
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,200
uh this staging to shift away from Main

759
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,200
Street uh and from um the areas around

760
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,799
city hall. Uh but it could affect nearby

761
00:29:16,799 --> 00:29:18,080
residents and it could also increase

762
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,080
pedestrian activity in those areas. So

763
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,399
it's it's worth exploring further and

764
00:29:22,399 --> 00:29:24,640
piloting before uh committing down that

765
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,000
path. Next slide.

766
00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,080
Uh so I'm just providing an image of

767
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,320
where we expect rerouting to occur if

768
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:35,360
the uh left turn egress were closed at

769
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,760
the main access to the site. Uh with

770
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,159
move allowing for a new north egress to

771
00:29:40,159 --> 00:29:42,559
occur uh we would see as I've said

772
00:29:42,559 --> 00:29:45,919
rerouting to Canyon Crest as well as uh

773
00:29:45,919 --> 00:29:49,840
to 200 north over to Westfield.

774
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,880
Uh next slide.

775
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:54,559
So the final recommendations we came

776
00:29:54,559 --> 00:29:56,320
from this exploration was to first

777
00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,159
construct this north egress uh

778
00:29:58,159 --> 00:29:59,679
consistent with option 2A of the

779
00:29:59,679 --> 00:30:02,720
original traffic study uh relocate the

780
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,640
school crossing from 120 south to align

781
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,399
with the on-site pedestrian walkway.

782
00:30:06,399 --> 00:30:08,880
Restrict left turns at the main school

783
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,399
access uh only temporarily during pickup

784
00:30:12,399 --> 00:30:14,480
and drop off period. So using cones,

785
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:16,399
signage and enforcement from crossing

786
00:30:16,399 --> 00:30:19,840
guards uh and then restrict staging on

787
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:22,080
main and 120 south and 100 south

788
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,960
shifting that to a pilot of staging on a

789
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,320
Red Pine Drive. If this is successful,

790
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,799
uh we would recommend uh this on-site

791
00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:32,559
pedestrian route, a sidewalk on the

792
00:30:32,559 --> 00:30:34,960
south along the south edges of the site

793
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:37,039
to be able to avoid conflict between

794
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:39,360
pedestrians going southbound and those

795
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,000
entering the site.

796
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,000
And then uh maintaining the queue

797
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:45,440
storage on the northbound main street,

798
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:49,440
although uh this uh queue on the

799
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:52,000
shoulder uh is spilling back from the

800
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,120
site. We observed uh on site that it

801
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:56,880
doesn't typically block the through

802
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,559
line. People are still able to move

803
00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:01,279
north and the issues related to

804
00:31:01,279 --> 00:31:03,440
northbound queuing are unrelated to the

805
00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:06,640
shoulder uh cues themselves.

806
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,480
So that's just a summary of the

807
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:09,679
findings. I know you've had a chance to

808
00:31:09,679 --> 00:31:11,520
review the memo in more detail, but I

809
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:13,360
wanted to walk through that before we

810
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:14,720
were able to have a larger discussion.

811
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,279
So, I I shift it back to the council for

812
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:22,630
any questions you might have.

813
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,399
Yes, we'll start with Sarah and then go

814
00:31:24,399 --> 00:31:26,799
ahead and move through the DAS.

815
00:31:26,799 --> 00:31:30,320
>> Um, if moving this the crosswalk between

816
00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,159
the entrance and the exit um or just

817
00:31:34,159 --> 00:31:37,440
moving it south, sorry, just north of

818
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,279
the exit of Mountainville. Um, how would

819
00:31:41,279 --> 00:31:43,360
this affect right-hand turns? I know in

820
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:45,039
your study you recommended that only

821
00:31:45,039 --> 00:31:47,919
right-hand turns be made, but if for I

822
00:31:47,919 --> 00:31:50,640
don't know if did what they reached out

823
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,720
about Jessica's idea or Councilwoman

824
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:53,440
Sme's idea.

825
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,000
>> Yes.

826
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,200
>> Okay. So if if that option I guess three

827
00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:02,720
or C um moving the crosswalk just north

828
00:32:02,720 --> 00:32:06,000
of the exit of Mountainville versus in

829
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:07,919
between the entrance and the exit of

830
00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:10,880
Mountainville. if that was were to be

831
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,720
put in place there, how would that

832
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,880
affect right-hand turns? I know it would

833
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,360
help with left-hand turns, but I'm just

834
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,039
curious if you have any thoughts on

835
00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:20,880
right-hand turns.

836
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,440
>> Yeah. No, I it's a great question and uh

837
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:25,760
I want to make clear up front that um we

838
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,919
didn't analyze that option three

839
00:32:27,919 --> 00:32:29,679
technically. Uh we were notified of that

840
00:32:29,679 --> 00:32:32,320
yesterday. Um but I have had a chance to

841
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,679
kind of think through some of the larger

842
00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:36,159
implications of that. So from a right

843
00:32:36,159 --> 00:32:41,679
turn perspective, it's it's not as um it

844
00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:43,360
won't be consistent with existing

845
00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:44,880
conditions where you see a large queue

846
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,279
spill back that comes and blocks the

847
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:48,960
access making it so right turns just

848
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,039
can't turn out at all while there's a

849
00:32:51,039 --> 00:32:54,159
queue there. Um but it will effectively

850
00:32:54,159 --> 00:32:57,440
be the same uh in the sense that when uh

851
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:58,720
when crossings are occurring, those

852
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,919
right turns can't go out. And I expect

853
00:33:01,919 --> 00:33:03,600
uh from what we've observed in similar

854
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:06,559
sites that when the crossing is cleared,

855
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:08,880
there will be a kind of gap jump that

856
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:10,240
occurs with those right turns where

857
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,799
right turns try and get in before the

858
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,679
queue starts to move forward. Uh and so

859
00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:18,480
although that would potentially lead to

860
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,000
more right turns being able to go

861
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,519
through, it would still lead to a pretty

862
00:33:23,519 --> 00:33:26,159
a very similar condition to what's

863
00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:29,279
happening right now. So long story

864
00:33:29,279 --> 00:33:32,720
short, I would just say um although it

865
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,360
could present a small amount of

866
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:36,960
improvement for the right turns, it

867
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:39,279
would largely lead to the same amount of

868
00:33:39,279 --> 00:33:41,360
storage issues on site as we currently

869
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:44,080
see. Does that answer your question?

870
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,720
>> Yes, thank you. Um, and this is

871
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,799
something that I talked with Shane

872
00:33:48,799 --> 00:33:53,200
about, but if staging, and I know that would just be kind of by a trial to

873
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:54,640
see if that would work,

874
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,519
>> but there are some um elderly people

875
00:33:57,519 --> 00:34:00,240
that live down Red Pine. And this is a

876
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,080
point that Shane brought up is that

877
00:34:02,080 --> 00:34:03,919
there are a lot of emergency vehicles

878
00:34:03,919 --> 00:34:06,640
that go down that road. So, that was

879
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,560
just something I I mean, just to be

880
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,760
aware of if we move staging there. Um,

881
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,760
yeah, that was my only other comment or

882
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,200
thought and I didn't know if you had

883
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,119
considered that.

884
00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:18,879
>> Yes. No, I appreciate that comment and

885
00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:21,119
yes, we did consider it. Uh, which is

886
00:34:21,119 --> 00:34:23,119
one of the main motivations on honestly

887
00:34:23,119 --> 00:34:25,839
that we recommended a pilot rather than

888
00:34:25,839 --> 00:34:27,359
just moving forward is there are a lot

889
00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:30,480
of variables, emergency access. Uh, when

890
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:32,560
we were there uh on site, we took a

891
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,480
moment to walk down that street and got

892
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:36,720
get a feel for it. and it it has a lot

893
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:38,960
more of those elderly uh folks that that

894
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,359
are walking the street. And so the

895
00:34:41,359 --> 00:34:44,240
larger context is to see if in the pilot

896
00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:47,200
confirming are we seeing any issues with

897
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,599
um conflicts with emergency vehicles or

898
00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:51,919
with discomfort of the neighbors uh as

899
00:34:51,919 --> 00:34:54,720
part of bringing that staging there.

900
00:34:54,720 --> 00:34:55,919
>> Thank you. I don't have any more

901
00:34:55,919 --> 00:34:56,320
questions.

902
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:58,400
>> Okay, Chrissy.

903
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,359
>> Uh thank you very much. I thought the um

904
00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:04,160
report was really well written. We um

905
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:07,200
have seen many of these and this one Dan

906
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,440
also agreed with that he and I both

907
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,000
agreed that it was easy to understand

908
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:14,160
what you were trying to communicate to

909
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,480
us. So we appreciate not only the

910
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:19,920
numbers but the the story which was easy

911
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,400
for us to understand. I did have a

912
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,119
couple of questions. Um I'm going to

913
00:35:25,119 --> 00:35:28,960
take like my first way of thinking and

914
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,119
then my second way of thinking. My first

915
00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:32,720
way of thinking is we have been working

916
00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:34,960
with a school administration feel like

917
00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,880
I'm talking to the space here like but

918
00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:40,000
anyways um and we want to cooperate and

919
00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:41,760
Dan I don't know if you were watching

920
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:43,599
the be beginning but he's a

921
00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:49,280
representative from the school and um he voiced the support for many of these

922
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,599
things that have been proposed and they

923
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:53,440
are a little concerned about a a

924
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,160
permanent um

925
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:58,800
left restriction and so you did say in

926
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,599
the the traffic study that we could put

927
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:04,560
or they could put up cones and only um

928
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:06,720
restrict it during the drop off and

929
00:36:06,720 --> 00:36:08,640
pickup time. Otherwise, they'd have open

930
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,960
access to left-hand turns and you had a

931
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,160
few other reasons like for the

932
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:16,000
businesses in the area. Um is that a a

933
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,000
strong recommendation? Because other

934
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,839
times, other traffic engineers have said

935
00:36:19,839 --> 00:36:22,400
we could put a permanent median down the

936
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,240
middle and restrict left turns at all

937
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:28,000
times. So, it's definitely preferred to

938
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,000
just have it during um peak traffic

939
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,079
times. Is that I just want to reiterate.

940
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:35,599
Is that what you meant to say?

941
00:36:35,599 --> 00:36:37,440
>> Yes, that is what I meant to say. That

942
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:40,800
is our recommendation. Um the that the

943
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:42,720
reasons for that are are twofold. As you

944
00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:45,040
mentioned, the business accesses with

945
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,560
the way that the median would need to

946
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,640
work. It would block access to those

947
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:49,920
businesses on the west side,

948
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:53,359
particularly the um the dermatology

949
00:36:53,359 --> 00:36:58,240
location and the uh uh um I believe uh

950
00:36:58,240 --> 00:37:00,079
glasses store that's that's right there

951
00:37:00,079 --> 00:37:02,560
on the on the west side. Uh the other

952
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,359
side of it is uh just recognizing that

953
00:37:05,359 --> 00:37:07,280
outside of the pickup and drop off

954
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:09,599
period, there's not really a problem.

955
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:17,599
>> True. Uh and so a median feels like a a large step to make um for for again

956
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:19,440
something that you can test through

957
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,119
doing these more temporary solutions.

958
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:24,640
>> Yeah. Okay. Um thank you. I two three

959
00:37:24,640 --> 00:37:27,200
other things. Um we've been looking at

960
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:29,280
traffic calming measures in other parts

961
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,119
of our city and they've had like an

962
00:37:31,119 --> 00:37:33,839
extended curb there which would also

963
00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:36,720
like allow a safer place for um the

964
00:37:36,720 --> 00:37:38,960
pedestrians or the students to gather

965
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:40,480
and that wasn't a part of your study.

966
00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,640
Was there a reason for that or do you

967
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,119
feel like it's not needed?

968
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,280
>> Uh I wouldn't say that it's not needed.

969
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:49,040
Um it is something that we discussed

970
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:50,640
with staff originally and one of the

971
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:52,400
things we came to is just recognizing

972
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:55,119
that any um you know curb extensions or

973
00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:58,480
bullouts that you put in place uh may

974
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,880
conflict with other plans related to to

975
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,480
Main Street. I know one of those plans

976
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,200
being a potential bicycle lane along

977
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,960
Main Street either on one side or both

978
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,119
sides of the street. when you put in a a

979
00:38:09,119 --> 00:38:11,359
curb extension. Uh in that case, there's

980
00:38:11,359 --> 00:38:13,359
additional design considerations that

981
00:38:13,359 --> 00:38:14,880
need to go in to make sure that a bike

982
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,320
lane can still be in place. Uh in

983
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:23,040
general, I would say uh the more traffic

984
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:24,720
calming that you can provide around

985
00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:26,880
crossing, the better. So, if the city

986
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:28,240
would like to explore that, just

987
00:38:28,240 --> 00:38:30,400
recognize that there would be tradeoffs

988
00:38:30,400 --> 00:38:31,920
that you would need to think about in

989
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,320
terms of the larger corridor identity.

990
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:35,599
>> Okay.

991
00:38:35,599 --> 00:38:39,440
Um, third point, um, Red Pine. Okay, I

992
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,200
can't read my own writing. Get on

993
00:38:41,200 --> 00:38:45,359
glasses here. Um, oh, um, with a

994
00:38:45,359 --> 00:38:47,200
crossing guard having everyone gathering

995
00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:48,960
right where the walkway comes directly

996
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:52,400
out of the school. Um, is it legal and

997
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:57,359
our police chief is here too for her to stop the the cars entering so that we

998
00:38:57,359 --> 00:38:59,440
could cross kids if they just come down

999
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:01,280
the middle walkway and if they want to

1000
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:03,440
access Red Pine just stop the cars from

1001
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:06,640
entering like the school premises. Is

1002
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,320
that a legal something that they could

1003
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:11,200
do to facilitate until we get a sidewalk

1004
00:39:11,200 --> 00:39:13,280
built?

1005
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,079
>> Um, I will say from a safety standpoint

1006
00:39:16,079 --> 00:39:18,160
that is advisable. uh from a legal

1007
00:39:18,160 --> 00:39:19,680
standpoint, I may not be the right

1008
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:21,359
expert to ask. Perhaps the police chief

1009
00:39:21,359 --> 00:39:22,320
would know better.

1010
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,400
>> Okay, we'll postpone that question, but

1011
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,119
he's he's listening. The fourth question

1012
00:39:27,119 --> 00:39:30,079
I had was um I don't know if this was

1013
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:32,320
discussed with you, but um we had come

1014
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,520
across specifically me a model where

1015
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:37,839
they held back anyone who was going to

1016
00:39:37,839 --> 00:39:40,560
be a pedestrian student until the like

1017
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,800
the peak um volume of cars had been

1018
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,240
moved off of like through. And then that

1019
00:39:46,240 --> 00:39:47,760
reduce so many of the conflicts that

1020
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:49,920
we're seeing with vehicles and and and

1021
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:53,680
children that would um that is something

1022
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,599
that

1023
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:58,160
I think would help a lot in many ways.

1024
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,240
But would it have any negative impact

1025
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:02,160
because are we using the crosswalk in

1026
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,800
any way to create like a stopping

1027
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:09,760
traffic so we can um exit the property

1028
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:11,599
the the school property. Do you know

1029
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:12,720
what I'm saying? Like if we put it right

1030
00:40:12,720 --> 00:40:13,359
in the middle

1031
00:40:13,359 --> 00:40:13,839
>> Yeah.

1032
00:40:13,839 --> 00:40:14,720
>> Okay.

1033
00:40:14,720 --> 00:40:16,560
Good. You understand my question? Thank

1034
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:17,359
you.

1035
00:40:17,359 --> 00:40:19,599
>> Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And apologies for for

1036
00:40:19,599 --> 00:40:23,200
interrupting you there. Um uh that is an

1037
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:25,200
interesting question. I I I admit that I

1038
00:40:25,200 --> 00:40:27,520
haven't put an a deep amount of thought

1039
00:40:27,520 --> 00:40:29,599
into it, but my reaction to what you're

1040
00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,560
saying uh would be yes, that that could

1041
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:35,440
work. Um it would create obviously more

1042
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:37,040
delays for those students and

1043
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,440
particularly if if if those students are

1044
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,440
pedestrians that are then going to uh

1045
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,560
the pickup area. uh the potential pickup

1046
00:40:44,560 --> 00:40:46,800
area at Red Pine. Uh that creates

1047
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,400
potential delay for the parents. The

1048
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,240
other aspect of that that I would say is

1049
00:40:50,240 --> 00:40:52,400
it would probably adversely impact right

1050
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,320
turns out assuming we're going to be

1051
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,520
restricting left turns. Um just because

1052
00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,160
there would no longer be instances where

1053
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,400
the crossing is there to allow more gaps

1054
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:04,079
for those right turns to go. However, it

1055
00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:06,960
would it would flow the flow of it would

1056
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,000
not be an intense amount different. So,

1057
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,240
I think if if you're exploring ways to

1058
00:41:12,240 --> 00:41:14,800
remove pedestrians from from heavy

1059
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:16,319
interaction with the heaviest time of

1060
00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:17,760
vehicles, that would be one potential

1061
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:20,560
option. I would just caution in that

1062
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:22,720
case that of course you'd want to shift

1063
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:26,720
the uh school zone timing appropriately

1064
00:41:26,720 --> 00:41:29,040
to make sure that when the bulk of

1065
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:32,079
pedestrians are crossing there is uh the

1066
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,880
proper speed limitations in place.

1067
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,680
>> Okay. All right. That was my first way

1068
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,359
of thinking is how can we how are we all

1069
00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:41,839
working together? Worst case scenario,

1070
00:41:41,839 --> 00:41:48,560
we're left to to our own devices and the um school is um not willing to

1071
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,440
really put up cones or build a sidewalk,

1072
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:54,400
those type of things. Um Diana reassures

1073
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,319
me that that's not the road we're on,

1074
00:41:56,319 --> 00:41:58,400
but I I am a worst case scenario

1075
00:41:58,400 --> 00:42:01,359
thinker. So, if we were to not have that

1076
00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:03,599
cooperation like to put up the cones

1077
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:06,640
specifically or any additional uh

1078
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:10,560
pedestrian refuge or um not build a

1079
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,960
sidewalk to Red Pine, uh obviously

1080
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,680
staggered release is 100% in their court

1081
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:17,520
is would you re would any of these

1082
00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:19,680
recommendations change? Like would you

1083
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:22,880
for example want a solid um median

1084
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,599
because we have no way to restrict lift

1085
00:42:25,599 --> 00:42:27,440
turns without a solid median. That's

1086
00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:31,440
just one worst case scenario thinking.

1087
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:34,319
>> Um, one of the key recommendations that

1088
00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:35,920
would certainly change right off the bat

1089
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,240
is the location of the crossing. Uh, the

1090
00:42:38,240 --> 00:42:40,079
location of the crossing being between

1091
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:43,280
the two accesses. Um,

1092
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,680
needs that coordination with the with

1093
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,560
the school for it to occur properly

1094
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:50,400
because you can't have left turns going

1095
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,040
through that crossing. Uh, and so that

1096
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:54,480
would be the chief recommendation that

1097
00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:55,599
would change if there were not that

1098
00:42:55,599 --> 00:42:57,599
cooperation. uh to your point about the

1099
00:42:57,599 --> 00:42:59,359
median as well that would need to be

1100
00:42:59,359 --> 00:43:01,359
explored at a at a larger extent. Of

1101
00:43:01,359 --> 00:43:04,240
course, even even then a median going in

1102
00:43:04,240 --> 00:43:06,880
and changing uh access dynamics and

1103
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,640
requirements for businesses and the

1104
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:11,520
school would still require coordination

1105
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,680
with with those entities to to be put in

1106
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:14,480
place.

1107
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:17,680
>> Okay. Anything else that like stands

1108
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,599
out? Those are my way of thinking, but

1109
00:43:19,599 --> 00:43:21,760
I'm not a traffic engineer. Anything

1110
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,200
else? Like if we're just like I said

1111
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,079
left with our own like our own lane that

1112
00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:28,480
all we control is what's in our lane.

1113
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:31,359
Anything else that you would amend from

1114
00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:35,520
your just those two things I brought up?

1115
00:43:35,520 --> 00:43:37,200
>> I don't know if I would amend anything

1116
00:43:37,200 --> 00:43:39,520
else. I would I would just say that

1117
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:42,160
generally this this is a problem that's

1118
00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,720
a perfect storm between the school zone

1119
00:43:44,720 --> 00:43:47,119
own the the city's own traffic trying to

1120
00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:49,359
get in and out during the you know

1121
00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:51,680
commute peaks of the day combined with

1122
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:54,079
the school and so collaboration is is a

1123
00:43:54,079 --> 00:43:56,160
necessity in this case to make sure you

1124
00:43:56,160 --> 00:43:58,240
can actually solve the problem.

1125
00:43:58,240 --> 00:44:00,400
>> Thank you. That's all my questions.

1126
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:01,119
>> Hey Andrew,

1127
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:03,610
>> those were wonderful both of you. Uh

1128
00:44:03,610 --> 00:44:05,440
[clears throat] before I go on, I have a

1129
00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:08,720
video that might help uh in that folder.

1130
00:44:08,720 --> 00:44:10,000
You can pull it up. If it doesn't work,

1131
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,240
don't worry. I I've got a lot of

1132
00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:13,839
questions and and things to bring up

1133
00:44:13,839 --> 00:44:15,359
that I think will be helpful. I spent a

1134
00:44:15,359 --> 00:44:17,280
long time reading each of the studies. I

1135
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,839
don't know how many pages, 300.

1136
00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:20,400
>> Uh

1137
00:44:20,400 --> 00:44:21,520
>> there are quite a few.

1138
00:44:21,520 --> 00:44:23,040
>> Yeah. And I really appreciate all the

1139
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,440
research you guys did in both studies as

1140
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:28,630
well.

1141
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,720
» Yeah. Yeah. Oh, you've already seen it

1142
00:44:30,720 --> 00:44:30,880
all.

1143
00:44:30,880 --> 00:44:33,760
>> Well, we live here. Oh, sorry. This this

1144
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:34,960
was just the other day and this helped

1145
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:36,560
me understand. This helped me put a

1146
00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,160
visual on what actually we're dealing

1147
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,240
with in a small and I love children. I

1148
00:44:40,240 --> 00:44:45,280
love the school and I love Alpine and I love this. But you can see the cars

1149
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,800
coming down. Sounds like everyone has

1150
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,839
seen it. Uh so uh but uh this is

1151
00:44:49,839 --> 00:44:51,839
actually the root and the big global

1152
00:44:51,839 --> 00:44:53,200
picture. Oh, you can see my wife down

1153
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,520
there on the screen. Sorry. Anyways,

1154
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:57,200
this is what we're trying to solve. This

1155
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:58,480
is all we're trying to do. We're just

1156
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,000
trying to fix this at the end of the

1157
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,319
day. all the little nuances of left

1158
00:45:02,319 --> 00:45:05,839
turns and uh land changes and crossing

1159
00:45:05,839 --> 00:45:07,680
guards and that's what we're trying to

1160
00:45:07,680 --> 00:45:09,359
fix. We're trying to fix that area and a

1161
00:45:09,359 --> 00:45:11,119
little bit south of that and uh keep

1162
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:14,160
those kids safe. Um before I go into it,

1163
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:16,880
it's actually a Shane uh a Shane Jason

1164
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,160
question. We've got a lot of great um

1165
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,480
things to try to fix this and I'm going

1166
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:23,760
to go through them to make sure I'm not

1167
00:45:23,760 --> 00:45:25,680
missing one or that anything that the

1168
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,119
Mountainville is not okay with because I

1169
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:29,440
think we have to partner well. What is

1170
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:31,839
the best method to bring some of these

1171
00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:33,599
solutions forward so it happens

1172
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:35,359
efficiently and mayor can answer or

1173
00:45:35,359 --> 00:45:37,200
anyone how would you like to see some of

1174
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:41,680
these brought forward budget to to um

1175
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,960
city councilors um a team effort staff

1176
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:46,720
bringing them to us? What's the best

1177
00:45:46,720 --> 00:45:48,000
method to bring some of these forward

1178
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,240
that you'd like to see? And anyone can

1179
00:45:50,240 --> 00:45:51,520
answer who who

1180
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,400
>> it's on it's on here as a report tonight

1181
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,240
so we can get you the information. we

1182
00:45:56,240 --> 00:45:57,520
can have the discussion because

1183
00:45:57,520 --> 00:45:59,839
everybody has different angles of

1184
00:45:59,839 --> 00:46:01,200
looking at it and might bring up

1185
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:02,640
something that someone else didn't think

1186
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:06,880
of. Um but in the end um you know we

1187
00:46:06,880 --> 00:46:10,400
would want a motion from the council and

1188
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,240
at least a majority vote of which

1189
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:14,240
direction to go and then we could figure

1190
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:17,760
out you know the coordination and

1191
00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:21,200
funding and and all those things. What

1192
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:24,079
>> mayor and mayor and Shane and staff and

1193
00:46:24,079 --> 00:46:26,960
welcome Mr. Doxy, hope you drove in

1194
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:29,599
safe. You didn't You missed a good time.

1195
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:33,040
We had some good Okay. Anyway, um would

1196
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,200
you like us to lump them together? Mayor

1197
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:37,760
and Shane and council, would you like us

1198
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:38,960
to put several of them together or go

1199
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:40,079
one by one? Because

1200
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:41,467
>> right now, let's

1201
00:46:41,467 --> 00:46:42,720
[cough and clears throat] let's if you

1202
00:46:42,720 --> 00:46:44,400
have any questions.

1203
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:46,079
>> Well, that was the question. Why don't

1204
00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:48,240
you No, I'm talking about to the study

1205
00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:50,800
specifically and then after we everyone

1206
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:52,720
goes through and makes their comments.

1207
00:46:52,720 --> 00:46:54,240
Maybe what we could do is go through

1208
00:46:54,240 --> 00:46:55,920
again and see, you know,

1209
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,200
>> some strategies. Yes.

1210
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:58,560
>> Okay, sounds good. I'll go through them.

1211
00:46:58,560 --> 00:46:59,839
>> They can move forward from that. But

1212
00:46:59,839 --> 00:47:00,240
let's

1213
00:47:00,240 --> 00:47:01,520
>> Sounds good. Thought you might have some

1214
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:02,480
preferences.

1215
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:02,800
>> Okay.

1216
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:04,319
>> I don't have any preferences. I would

1217
00:47:04,319 --> 00:47:07,359
like, you know, I I read the study. I'm

1218
00:47:07,359 --> 00:47:09,200
curious where everybody has. I'll make

1219
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:10,160
my comments.

1220
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,400
>> Okay. Well, so there's a that I'll make

1221
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,200
the comments now. So, uh, it might not

1222
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:16,560
be helpful to bring this up, but it's

1223
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:18,079
helpful for me because we have so many

1224
00:47:18,079 --> 00:47:20,160
similar situations coming up that are

1225
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:23,839
just like this where we are working on

1226
00:47:23,839 --> 00:47:26,800
fixing what we just saw, but if we keep

1227
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:28,319
doing the same thing, we'll end up with

1228
00:47:28,319 --> 00:47:31,440
more of the same problems. The residents

1229
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,760
were adamant that this not be the way it

1230
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,440
is, and 20 years later, we're working on

1231
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,440
this. And that's not helpful. But when

1232
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,280
we make a land use decision, it outlasts

1233
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:41,520
all of us. So I was trying to think

1234
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:45,680
really big picture on on that and and

1235
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:47,280
being so aware that when we make a

1236
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,760
decision it impacts for 20 and 50 and 60

1237
00:47:49,760 --> 00:47:51,119
years. So that was one thought that came

1238
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:54,720
from the studies. Um after reading all

1239
00:47:54,720 --> 00:47:56,800
three of the studies I tried to whittle

1240
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,880
it down and it really looks like two

1241
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,800
things.

1242
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,400
The root of this problem is that 63% of

1243
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,520
the students and their cars

1244
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:10,400
are from the south. Okay. So, that's

1245
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,800
what's causing that and that it's on a

1246
00:48:12,800 --> 00:48:14,240
busy road because Alpine Elementary is a

1247
00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:15,359
little different. I pick up there from

1248
00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:16,960
all the time. It's on the busy road, but

1249
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,040
63%.

1250
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,480
And I read through all the studies and

1251
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,000
all of the solutions. And we actually

1252
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,880
cannot fix that. We We don't actually

1253
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:27,680
fix anything with any of the solutions.

1254
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,480
We just disperse it.

1255
00:48:30,480 --> 00:48:32,319
And correct me if I'm wrong, but so far

1256
00:48:32,319 --> 00:48:35,680
every solution on here is not an actual

1257
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:38,160
solution. It's just a dispersement of

1258
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,280
the problem to another area of Alpine.

1259
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:45,119
So, I realize just how big decisions can

1260
00:48:45,119 --> 00:48:47,680
be where we're in a position where we

1261
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:49,359
just have to disperse it, not even try

1262
00:48:49,359 --> 00:48:52,720
to fix it. Having said that,

1263
00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:54,240
let's say we do all this, which I want

1264
00:48:54,240 --> 00:48:56,240
to do, right? Let's say we do all of

1265
00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:00,480
this. um if it doesn't work and we still

1266
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,079
have problems because the study and the

1267
00:49:02,079 --> 00:49:03,680
residents line up perfect. They give it

1268
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:08,880
an A to E or an A to an F score level of

1269
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:11,760
service loss. Most of it is an E to an

1270
00:49:11,760 --> 00:49:15,200
F. I didn't know there was that uh

1271
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,520
grading system, but the residents are

1272
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,960
right there telling me that we've got an

1273
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,440
F, we've got an F, we've got a problem.

1274
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:22,720
And so they're really aligned. The

1275
00:49:22,720 --> 00:49:24,800
studies, the residents, they're all

1276
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,760
seeing the problem. And so we're going

1277
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:29,839
to fix these, but if they don't fix, I

1278
00:49:29,839 --> 00:49:31,760
hope I guess the point is the only

1279
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:33,520
solution to this point that I actually

1280
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,160
think really solves this is buses. Now,

1281
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,319
I know people don't like to hear that,

1282
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:40,480
but it would solve it and it wouldn't

1283
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:42,960
diffuse the problem into other areas of

1284
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:45,359
Alpine. Now, I know that is not a

1285
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:46,559
reality, but I'm still trying to

1286
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:47,760
research that. So, I just want to bring

1287
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:51,359
that up. The last things I have is

1288
00:49:51,359 --> 00:49:53,280
I tried to drill out because the studies

1289
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,359
are so so long. I tried to drill out the

1290
00:49:55,359 --> 00:49:58,160
seven recommendations that they make and

1291
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:59,760
I'm hopeful that Mountainville Academy

1292
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,000
and any of you can let me know if any of

1293
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,280
these are not okay at some point. That

1294
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:07,040
way we can pursue the ones that are okay

1295
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:08,559
so we can at least try to diffuse this

1296
00:50:08,559 --> 00:50:10,559
and fix it in the meantime and hopefully

1297
00:50:10,559 --> 00:50:12,079
come up with a permanent solution and

1298
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:13,920
not repeat it. So this is this is what I

1299
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:15,440
drilled out and it's so important

1300
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,040
residents see this. the impact of one

1301
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,240
thing now impacting 200 north impacting

1302
00:50:20,240 --> 00:50:23,760
Canyon Crest impacting 100 south but

1303
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,520
here's what we've got at this point 20

1304
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:27,444
years later

1305
00:50:27,444 --> 00:50:30,870
[clears throat]

1306
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,640
okay between the three studies they

1307
00:50:34,640 --> 00:50:36,240
recommend

1308
00:50:36,240 --> 00:50:39,680
to put a zebra striping Danish offset

1309
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,800
crosswalk rectangular rapid flashing

1310
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:44,640
beacons

1311
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:46,800
on Main Street. So, that's the one thing

1312
00:50:46,800 --> 00:50:48,480
they recommend that in a couple

1313
00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,079
different ways, but they say it hinges

1314
00:50:52,079 --> 00:50:55,200
on no left turn. So, I don't know where

1315
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:56,559
we're at with that, but they say it

1316
00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:59,200
basically hinges on no left turn.

1317
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:00,800
Mountainville Academy has recommended

1318
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:02,160
that. So, I assume we're all in the same

1319
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:03,760
thing.

1320
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:05,440
They also said it's good to have this is

1321
00:51:05,440 --> 00:51:06,480
their second. So, that's the first

1322
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,160
recommendation. Crosswalk on Main Street

1323
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:09,680
right by and we're deciding where to put

1324
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,960
it. Next one is crosswalk on Main Street

1325
00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:17,520
and 100 South. Okay. Um, I think they're

1326
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,920
both great. Uh, so my question is if

1327
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:22,240
anyone has anything against these to All

1328
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:25,599
right. Uh, final things are repaint the

1329
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:27,040
current ones. I don't know if any of you

1330
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:28,720
drew that out of the studies. They'd

1331
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:31,359
like us to repaint the current ones. So,

1332
00:51:31,359 --> 00:51:33,359
when we bring that forward, the the

1333
00:51:33,359 --> 00:51:36,480
current one that is on 100 South and any

1334
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,240
other current ones we have. And then

1335
00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:39,520
they would also recommend that we make

1336
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:41,680
them zebra stripes, not as they

1337
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,400
currently are. So, I thought that was

1338
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:47,040
really uh nice. They did recommend uh

1339
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:48,720
speed limit actually, I'm sorry, that

1340
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:50,480
was only one of the studies. Speed limit

1341
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:54,960
on Maine from 25 I'm sorry, from 30 to

1342
00:51:54,960 --> 00:51:59,680
actually 20. So, I I love that. Um they

1343
00:51:59,680 --> 00:52:02,640
recommended we do red curbs that we

1344
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,119
repaint our red curbs because we have a

1345
00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:09,359
problem on each of those uh areas where

1346
00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:10,880
um people are pulling out and they're

1347
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:12,160
not able to see. I guess currently

1348
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:14,000
they're not. So I pulled that out of one

1349
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:16,400
of the deep parts of the study and they

1350
00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:18,960
recommended to keep the crossing guard.

1351
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:21,280
So I don't know if that falls on us or

1352
00:52:21,280 --> 00:52:23,920
falls on Mountainville Academy. So I

1353
00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:26,720
appreciate the uh um the deep lesson

1354
00:52:26,720 --> 00:52:28,079
this is and I appreciate that we're

1355
00:52:28,079 --> 00:52:29,520
working together. So if Mountainville

1356
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,280
Academy or the council has any problems

1357
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,040
with those, I'm happy to move on after

1358
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:34,880
this meeting on trying to get some of

1359
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,280
them done this summer so that we can uh

1360
00:52:37,280 --> 00:52:39,119
get this tried to be fixed this summer.

1361
00:52:39,119 --> 00:52:40,960
That's all I have. Thank you.

1362
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,599
Uh Andrew uh uh one correction I will

1363
00:52:43,599 --> 00:52:45,599
make uh to what you said a lot of that

1364
00:52:45,599 --> 00:52:47,040
uh jives exactly with what we

1365
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:48,640
recommended in the crossing study as

1366
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:50,960
well as in the routing study. Uh the one

1367
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:52,559
correction I will make is the the

1368
00:52:52,559 --> 00:52:55,359
mention of a Danish offset crossing. Uh

1369
00:52:55,359 --> 00:52:57,119
based on the dynamics of the area, we

1370
00:52:57,119 --> 00:52:59,839
would recommend that just be a standard

1371
00:52:59,839 --> 00:53:01,839
zebra stripe crossing. Although the

1372
00:53:01,839 --> 00:53:03,839
Danish offset is an interesting idea, it

1373
00:53:03,839 --> 00:53:07,520
hinges on a median being put in place.

1374
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,040
>> Thank you. Yeah, that only came from one

1375
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:12,240
study, just a crosswalk of any type, I

1376
00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:13,440
understood. So, thank you for that

1377
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:14,559
clarification. Were there any other

1378
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:17,119
things that we missed that was also a

1379
00:53:17,119 --> 00:53:19,119
solution that you guys would recommend

1380
00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:21,119
or does that hit all of the solutions

1381
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:22,800
for what you guys have found with

1382
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:23,359
exception of

1383
00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:25,760
>> I think between Oh, apologies. Uh,

1384
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:27,280
between what you've stated and the

1385
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:29,760
recommendations in the slide deck here,

1386
00:53:29,760 --> 00:53:31,520
uh, I think you've covered it

1387
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:33,359
>> with exception of the buses, which is

1388
00:53:33,359 --> 00:53:35,280
not one.

1389
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:38,160
>> Uh, yes. And we did explore that option.

1390
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:41,200
Uh there's there's a a minor discussion

1391
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,440
of that of what we did within the memo,

1392
00:53:43,440 --> 00:53:44,960
although we had larger discussions with

1393
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:47,920
city staff. Uh that would be, I would

1394
00:53:47,920 --> 00:53:51,680
say, a a higher investment uh and a much

1395
00:53:51,680 --> 00:53:53,599
deeper collaboration with with the

1396
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:55,839
school, which is why we felt like it was

1397
00:53:55,839 --> 00:53:58,160
perhaps not a near-term solution.

1398
00:53:58,160 --> 00:53:59,520
>> No, I understand. Thank you. I'm so

1399
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:00,880
hopeful to get it to get it working

1400
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:02,319
again. So, thank you for your doing all

1401
00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:04,160
your work.

1402
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:05,839
One other correction, I think on the red

1403
00:54:05,839 --> 00:54:08,160
curbs, what they referring to is red

1404
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,359
curb right at right at the crosswalk

1405
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:13,520
because we have red curbs already on all

1406
00:54:13,520 --> 00:54:16,400
of our uh radiuses at intersections. So,

1407
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:18,079
it's just right at the crosswalk. I

1408
00:54:18,079 --> 00:54:19,040
think it was 30 ft.

1409
00:54:19,040 --> 00:54:19,839
>> I think you're correct.

1410
00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:20,400
>> Each way,

1411
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,480
>> just right by the crosswalks. I I that's

1412
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:23,680
good clarification.

1413
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,212
>> And didn't they say also at at

1414
00:54:25,212 --> 00:54:25,760
[clears throat]

1415
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,119
driveways?

1416
00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:28,960
>> Yes, they did. would be in a queuing

1417
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,440
area from the school southbound

1418
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:32,960
>> so that folks couldn't would be able to

1419
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:34,559
see. They were there were they were they

1420
00:54:34,559 --> 00:54:36,000
were bringing up the whole list.

1421
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:36,960
>> That's I think that's part of the

1422
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,720
problem is the parents just aren't aware

1423
00:54:38,720 --> 00:54:44,079
of the the driveways and into the alpine

1424
00:54:44,079 --> 00:54:46,960
uh the rec center or the fitness center

1425
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:48,800
and the residential areas there

1426
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:51,119
>> painted. They recommended painting at

1427
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:52,960
the curbs, 30 feet at the curbs and 30

1428
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:55,280
feet at at driveways. I guess I guess

1429
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:56,960
the quote was to ensure sight distance

1430
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,800
isn't blocked by ensure sight distance

1431
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:02,640
right from the crosswalk south.

1432
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:03,040
>> Thank you.

1433
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:03,520
>> Yes.

1434
00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:04,559
>> Did you have any questions?

1435
00:55:04,559 --> 00:55:07,280
>> Oh yeah, just a couple. Um Michael,

1436
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:08,720
thank you so much. I thought this report

1437
00:55:08,720 --> 00:55:10,720
was very well written, very clear. I

1438
00:55:10,720 --> 00:55:12,720
have read a few engineering reports that

1439
00:55:12,720 --> 00:55:16,319
aren't as clear. So that that's very helpful. And Dan, thank you so much

1440
00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:19,280
for sharing in your three minutes um

1441
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:21,599
Mountainville Academyy's input. And

1442
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:24,240
that's I really appreciate how you and

1443
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:27,040
others have worked well with the city.

1444
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,680
Um, so this has kind of been a Main

1445
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,368
Street problem for quite a while.

1446
00:55:31,368 --> 00:55:32,960
[clears throat] And what I like about

1447
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:36,559
this plan is it doesn't we can't take

1448
00:55:36,559 --> 00:55:37,920
everything off of Main Street. That

1449
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,880
would be unfair to the other areas of

1450
00:55:40,880 --> 00:55:42,880
Alpine that if we redirect everything

1451
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,440
off of Main Street, it creates another

1452
00:55:45,440 --> 00:55:46,960
problem elsewhere. And Andrew kind of

1453
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,559
brought that up. So, I like how this

1454
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:50,160
plan

1455
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:52,559
disperses it fairly appropriately, I

1456
00:55:52,559 --> 00:55:55,839
think, um, by still allowing the traffic

1457
00:55:55,839 --> 00:55:57,520
on Main Street and giving parents the

1458
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,720
opportunity to use Main Street, but also

1459
00:56:00,720 --> 00:56:05,280
to address how the changes will impact

1460
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:09,680
other neighbors, including our our prior discussion about Red Pine and the

1461
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,280
elderly residents there that Sarah

1462
00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:13,200
brought up. That's a concern of mine as

1463
00:56:13,200 --> 00:56:15,280
well. One question I have for you,

1464
00:56:15,280 --> 00:56:17,680
Michael, is u when we talk about

1465
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,599
eliminating staging areas, I understand

1466
00:56:19,599 --> 00:56:24,400
the areas north of 100 120 South along

1467
00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:26,960
Main Street. I too have observed like

1468
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,880
you did and like Hails Engineering

1469
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,599
observed how crazy that can get with

1470
00:56:31,599 --> 00:56:36,160
people making midblock Uturns and and

1471
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:38,319
trying to quickly make left turns in

1472
00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:40,319
between the short breaks. So, I think

1473
00:56:40,319 --> 00:56:44,319
limiting the staging north of 100 120

1474
00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:47,599
South is critical, but what about still

1475
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:51,359
allowing staging on 100 South on the

1476
00:56:51,359 --> 00:56:53,200
west side so the kids could cross the

1477
00:56:53,200 --> 00:56:55,359
street there and then parents who might

1478
00:56:55,359 --> 00:56:57,680
have kids at Timberline as well, they

1479
00:56:57,680 --> 00:56:59,680
could go from Mountainville to

1480
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,400
Timberline or or that way. Have Have we

1481
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,200
thought about allowing still staging on

1482
00:57:05,200 --> 00:57:06,640
100 South on the west side?

1483
00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:08,480
>> I think you're talking about 120 South.

1484
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:10,240
Oh yeah, 120 South. Sorry. Yeah, I'm I'm

1485
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:12,559
sorry. 120 South. Thank you.

1486
00:57:12,559 --> 00:57:14,400
>> Clarify.

1487
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,240
>> I think this is a a great question. I

1488
00:57:16,240 --> 00:57:18,400
think it's an important thing to to kind

1489
00:57:18,400 --> 00:57:21,599
of pair between uh what we observed

1490
00:57:21,599 --> 00:57:23,599
versus our recommendations here. The

1491
00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:25,920
issues we observed mainly focused on the

1492
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,079
staging on Main Street. Uh the

1493
00:57:28,079 --> 00:57:30,160
recommendations regarding 120 South and

1494
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:34,240
100 South were more consideration of the neighborhoods than they were

1495
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,799
necessarily a a safety or operational

1496
00:57:36,799 --> 00:57:38,960
issue. So, I would say that's up to the

1497
00:57:38,960 --> 00:57:42,160
discretion of of council and staff to

1498
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:44,559
determine what where um you would

1499
00:57:44,559 --> 00:57:47,040
restrict that staging, but for sure from

1500
00:57:47,040 --> 00:57:48,799
a safety and operational standpoint,

1501
00:57:48,799 --> 00:57:52,079
Main Street north of 100 South uh would

1502
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:53,440
need to be one of those restricted

1503
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:54,400
areas.

1504
00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:56,640
>> Oh, perfect. That that helps a lot. So,

1505
00:57:56,640 --> 00:57:59,040
that goes back to my statement about how

1506
00:57:59,040 --> 00:58:01,520
you we can't move everything off of

1507
00:58:01,520 --> 00:58:03,760
Maine. can't may I think it's important

1508
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,079
to disperse it as much as possible and

1509
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:11,680
if we do have that new egress out of 100

1510
00:58:11,680 --> 00:58:14,240
south with a right turn only that will

1511
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,640
move quite a bit of traffic into the

1512
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:18,559
eastern side neighborhoods from 100

1513
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:23,280
south and if we put everything else all

1514
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,240
the staging on Redpine that would put

1515
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:28,400
quite a bit on Redpine. So my thought

1516
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,280
would be to allow staging. Oh, here we

1517
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,319
have that on the map on 120 south on the

1518
00:58:34,319 --> 00:58:36,640
west side. That would make that would

1519
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,240
mean more children are crossing at the

1520
00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:40,880
crosswalk. But we also see that crossing

1521
00:58:40,880 --> 00:58:44,000
at that crosswalk creates n natural

1522
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:47,040
pauses in the traffic to allow a more

1523
00:58:47,040 --> 00:58:49,119
free flowing traffic flow, especially if

1524
00:58:49,119 --> 00:58:51,119
we allow left turns off of the new

1525
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:54,720
egress out of 100 South.

1526
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:56,400
So that thanks for asking that question.

1527
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:59,280
And then um again I appreciate how you

1528
00:58:59,280 --> 00:59:02,000
addressed how this redirecting traffic

1529
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:04,079
to other areas might impact those areas

1530
00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:07,200
and you offered some ideas on how um

1531
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:09,760
especially on Canyon Crest and Ridge on

1532
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:12,480
how that could be alleviated there. And

1533
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:14,240
then the last thing I have is on the

1534
00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:16,720
bike lane. Jessica and I met with Shane

1535
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:19,040
last week and we went over a little bit

1536
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,040
about your report and I asked about the

1537
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:22,400
status of the bike lane because we

1538
00:59:22,400 --> 00:59:23,920
talked about that in the past. We had a

1539
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:27,119
grant potentially to put a bike lane on

1540
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:29,280
Main Street, but it sounds like speaking

1541
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,680
with Shane, we haven't discussed yet as

1542
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:33,680
a council that there's just so much

1543
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:38,559
activity on Main Street with our um park

1544
00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:40,079
and tunes or whatever it's called during

1545
00:59:40,079 --> 00:59:43,839
the summer and other things that we

1546
00:59:43,839 --> 00:59:46,640
might not want to do any kind of bike

1547
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:48,480
lanes on Main Street. So, if that's the

1548
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,359
case, Michael, are there other things

1549
00:59:51,359 --> 00:59:52,640
you can think about, other

1550
00:59:52,640 --> 00:59:55,040
considerations on why we might might not

1551
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:56,799
want to do curb extensions if we end up

1552
00:59:56,799 --> 01:00:01,040
not doing bike lanes at this crosswalk?

1553
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,280
>> I would say the only the only thing that

1554
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,040
to always watch out for with with any

1555
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:06,720
traffic calming measure because

1556
01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:08,160
typically what they're doing is they're

1557
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,880
narrowing the ride of way uh to help to

1558
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,839
imply slower behaviors, slower driving.

1559
01:00:13,839 --> 01:00:15,760
Um, and so you'd want to be thinking

1560
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:17,839
about plowing uh and how this could

1561
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:20,480
impact uh plowing and and do proper

1562
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,520
training of plow drivers to ensure uh

1563
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:27,040
you're still allowing um those plows to

1564
01:00:27,040 --> 01:00:28,960
operate properly. Uh the other thing

1565
01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:30,799
would be emergency vehicle access. It

1566
01:00:30,799 --> 01:00:32,480
wouldn't be an issue in this case

1567
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,000
particularly at the crossing, but you

1568
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:36,240
just want to be making sure that uh

1569
01:00:36,240 --> 01:00:37,440
wherever you're putting that traffic

1570
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:38,880
coming in, it's not impacting how

1571
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:44,390
emergency vehicles route through.

1572
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:47,839
Okay, that's all I have. Thanks.

1573
01:00:47,839 --> 01:00:50,720
>> Okay, Jessica. Um, Heidi, can you put up

1574
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,319
the slide that shows I think 190 a.m.

1575
01:00:54,319 --> 01:00:57,839
and 130 p.m.

1576
01:00:57,839 --> 01:00:59,599
>> from

1577
01:00:59,599 --> 01:01:00,640
>> No, from

1578
01:01:00,640 --> 01:01:03,839
>> should be under key findings.

1579
01:01:03,839 --> 01:01:05,599
>> I don't I don't have the page. Okay.

1580
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:10,309
Yeah. Slide page three.

1581
01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:12,000
» Yes, you were just there. in the

1582
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:14,720
presentation from Michael.

1583
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,160
>> Yeah, perfect. Okay, I I have to kind of

1584
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:21,520
start from the beginning. I appreciated

1585
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:23,440
every all the information. It was great

1586
01:01:23,440 --> 01:01:26,240
to have everything concise in one place.

1587
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:29,119
And I apologize because when I heard we

1588
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:31,040
were having a warrant study, I thought

1589
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,280
that meant we were just determining if

1590
01:01:33,280 --> 01:01:35,920
we could move the crosswalk. I missed

1591
01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:37,760
the information that we were also going

1592
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,839
to be determining where the crosswalk

1593
01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:44,079
went. So, um, now that I realized we're

1594
01:01:44,079 --> 01:01:46,559
approved to move the crosswalk, that's

1595
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:48,319
when I started thinking about really

1596
01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:52,240
what's the best location. I I didn't

1597
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:54,559
catch on that we were going to come with

1598
01:01:54,559 --> 01:01:56,880
information about decisions on where it

1599
01:01:56,880 --> 01:02:00,319
was located. So, with that in mind, um I

1600
01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:02,720
know you got this at the 11th hour,

1601
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:05,440
moving it to the north, and I just like

1602
01:02:05,440 --> 01:02:07,040
to explore that a little bit more

1603
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:09,680
because you said you haven't modeled it,

1604
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:12,160
but you've thought it through. And it

1605
01:02:12,160 --> 01:02:16,160
seems that it would just be a repeat of

1606
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,880
what we currently have. And I need to

1607
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,440
understand that a little better because

1608
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,000
when I see restricting lefthand turns

1609
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,720
and I see numbers like

1610
01:02:26,720 --> 01:02:30,400
130 cars or 190 cars, what that looks

1611
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,319
like moving.

1612
01:02:32,319 --> 01:02:36,000
Now, if we could go to the next slide,

1613
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:39,760
page four. Yeah. So, and I I consider

1614
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:43,520
now that those 130 cars and 190 cars

1615
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:45,599
right now,

1616
01:02:45,599 --> 01:02:47,839
are you saying they can go left? Somehow

1617
01:02:47,839 --> 01:02:50,319
they make it out. But if we restrict a

1618
01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:54,960
left-hand turn now, we are burdening

1619
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,319
these streets with

1620
01:02:58,319 --> 01:03:00,079
traffic that hasn't been burdened

1621
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:03,839
before. So the way I approached it was

1622
01:03:03,839 --> 01:03:07,280
what if we could just do all of this on

1623
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,079
campus? Like is there a way to create an

1624
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:13,599
efficiency with a second egress

1625
01:03:13,599 --> 01:03:17,039
because we don't block lefthand turns

1626
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:20,400
but we actually improve efficiency of

1627
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,960
left-hand turns. So cars could move

1628
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,559
quicker. Um a portion of the cars could

1629
01:03:26,559 --> 01:03:30,000
go out a new egress. And could it be

1630
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:33,039
possible to keep the 65%

1631
01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:36,240
that goes south going south on Main

1632
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,720
Street and not

1633
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,440
put that throughout all, you know, the

1634
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:44,720
rest of town, the orange, the purple,

1635
01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:47,280
like what about modeling that, not just

1636
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,200
thinking about it in the 11th hour?

1637
01:03:49,200 --> 01:03:52,720
Would that be possible?

1638
01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,960
>> Yeah, Jessica, I I really appreciate it.

1639
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:56,880
So, I had a chance to read through uh

1640
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:58,960
kind of your email of thoughts and and

1641
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,599
you went into tremendous detail, which

1642
01:04:01,599 --> 01:04:05,039
was very helpful on um [clears throat]

1643
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:07,119
how this how shifting the crossing to

1644
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:09,680
north of the egress would work and the

1645
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:11,359
potential benefits of that. And I I

1646
01:04:11,359 --> 01:04:13,200
think there's a lot of merit to to what

1647
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,200
you're saying. I think some of the some

1648
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,119
of the concerns I would have and I've

1649
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:19,440
already shared a portion of this would

1650
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:23,039
be how that access continues to interact

1651
01:04:23,039 --> 01:04:25,200
with Main Street. I think one of the the

1652
01:04:25,200 --> 01:04:27,359
chief purposes of of the study that we

1653
01:04:27,359 --> 01:04:30,000
were asked to do uh was to see how can

1654
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:32,640
we improve conditions on on Main Street

1655
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,480
and disperse traffic in such a way that

1656
01:04:34,480 --> 01:04:36,799
it doesn't have a a majorly adverse

1657
01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:39,119
impact on on those other areas the areas

1658
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:43,920
mapped here. Um if the uh left turn

1659
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,240
egress were allowed to continue with

1660
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,240
that um crossing at the north uh you you

1661
01:04:50,240 --> 01:04:52,880
had mentioned roughly 65% in in the

1662
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,359
bullets that you had sent uh would

1663
01:04:55,359 --> 01:04:57,039
continue to want to use that that left

1664
01:04:57,039 --> 01:04:59,920
turn which which is a I think a a fairly

1665
01:04:59,920 --> 01:05:02,000
accurate number allow if we allow the

1666
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,400
north egress to also occur because some

1667
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:06,720
of those that would otherwise turn left

1668
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:08,319
would opt to take these other routes

1669
01:05:08,319 --> 01:05:10,559
anyway to be faster.

1670
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:12,079
Um

1671
01:05:12,079 --> 01:05:16,079
even so um in moments when the crossing

1672
01:05:16,079 --> 01:05:19,200
would block there would be a potential

1673
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,440
uh for left turns to be able to exit at

1674
01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:23,680
the egress. Uh however I wouldn't call

1675
01:05:23,680 --> 01:05:25,920
that movement protected. And the reason

1676
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:29,200
I wouldn't say that uh is that at at a

1677
01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:33,359
base um that left turn would be beholden

1678
01:05:33,359 --> 01:05:35,359
to what's happening in the northbound.

1679
01:05:35,359 --> 01:05:37,520
Would there still be cars waiting right

1680
01:05:37,520 --> 01:05:39,599
at the crossing and still blocking that

1681
01:05:39,599 --> 01:05:44,240
access? Or um uh if that's the case,

1682
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:45,520
then of course those left turns wouldn't

1683
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:46,960
be able to go. If that's not the case,

1684
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:48,480
they would be able to go. However, I

1685
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:51,599
would say not not the uh the majority of

1686
01:05:51,599 --> 01:05:54,799
left turns would still be trying to go

1687
01:05:54,799 --> 01:05:56,559
uh when a crossing's not occurring. They

1688
01:05:56,559 --> 01:05:57,839
still be trying to go when there's a lot

1689
01:05:57,839 --> 01:05:59,280
of southbound traffic moving and

1690
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:00,880
northbound traffic moving just by nature

1691
01:06:00,880 --> 01:06:03,520
of how frequent those crossings are or

1692
01:06:03,520 --> 01:06:05,440
infrequent because often the crossing

1693
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:09,680
guards try and block uh move blocks of

1694
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:12,240
students at a time rather than uh

1695
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:14,240
continually blocking traffic. And so

1696
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:15,920
there would still be quite a long

1697
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:17,359
stretches in which those left turns

1698
01:06:17,359 --> 01:06:18,880
would not be able to go and would still

1699
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:21,359
opt to make unsafe

1700
01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:23,920
uh or less visible movements directly

1701
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:25,359
into the southbound that could

1702
01:06:25,359 --> 01:06:29,119
potentially cause accidents. So that would be my concern from a safety

1703
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:33,680
standpoint. Um, the other thing that I

1704
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:36,720
would say is if you were to um bundle

1705
01:06:36,720 --> 01:06:39,200
this left turn with the crossing,

1706
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:40,880
basically allow it to be a more or less

1707
01:06:40,880 --> 01:06:42,480
protected movement, it would require a

1708
01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,520
much more trained individual than just a

1709
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:47,280
crossing guard to regulate that. So that

1710
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:48,880
would likely need to be a dedicated

1711
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,119
officer during the pickup and drop off

1712
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:53,200
times regulating how traffic is flowing

1713
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,559
or at least a trained traffic operator

1714
01:06:56,559 --> 01:06:58,079
uh to make sure that those left turns

1715
01:06:58,079 --> 01:07:00,720
can occur that the northbound is leaving

1716
01:07:00,720 --> 01:07:03,440
proper gaps uh and that there is no

1717
01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:04,960
instances where you might be

1718
01:07:04,960 --> 01:07:06,720
unintentionally endangering those

1719
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,720
students crossing at that crossing to

1720
01:07:08,720 --> 01:07:10,799
the north. So, I would say there would

1721
01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:12,079
be much more that would need to be

1722
01:07:12,079 --> 01:07:15,680
explored before uh that's something that we would necessarily recommend

1723
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,880
moving forward with. Does that uh do you

1724
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:20,880
have any questions on on how I've

1725
01:07:20,880 --> 01:07:21,920
explained that?

1726
01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:23,839
>> Yeah, I've I've just seen it done in

1727
01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:28,559
other schools in a similar fashion and maybe because it's not on Main

1728
01:07:28,559 --> 01:07:30,000
Street, but I've seen it work

1729
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:32,480
effectively where you actually have two

1730
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,640
crossing guards. So you would have a

1731
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:36,559
crossing guard that would stand at the

1732
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:38,960
entrance of the school to mitigate what

1733
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:41,280
you're talking about

1734
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:43,839
people still jumping out and then you

1735
01:07:43,839 --> 01:07:47,119
have also the second crossing guard that

1736
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:50,160
does exactly what they're doing already

1737
01:07:50,160 --> 01:07:52,480
stopping traffic on Main Street because

1738
01:07:52,480 --> 01:07:55,119
we currently have a crossing guard that

1739
01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:57,280
stops two-way traffic on Main Street

1740
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,680
every day. So, I'm not sure how that

1741
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:02,400
would differ because actually when

1742
01:08:02,400 --> 01:08:04,880
they're stopping traffic on Main Street,

1743
01:08:04,880 --> 01:08:07,039
cars are turning in and out of

1744
01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:09,839
businesses. Cars are turning at the

1745
01:08:09,839 --> 01:08:11,520
bank, cars are turning, you know,

1746
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:14,880
there's a lot of movement with with the

1747
01:08:14,880 --> 01:08:16,560
current staffing and crossing guard

1748
01:08:16,560 --> 01:08:19,440
that's existing.

1749
01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:21,600
So, that's just one thought.

1750
01:08:21,600 --> 01:08:24,560
>> Oh, please.

1751
01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,440
And then secondly, you you mentioned

1752
01:08:27,440 --> 01:08:29,600
that it would impact the right-hand turn

1753
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:31,759
lane. I went and looked at that today.

1754
01:08:31,759 --> 01:08:35,040
It's about a 5:1 ratio. It may even be a

1755
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,839
7 to one where you have seven cars going

1756
01:08:37,839 --> 01:08:40,960
left and one car going right. So, I

1757
01:08:40,960 --> 01:08:43,120
think the premise that that's going to

1758
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:47,120
impede that right-hand turn is actually

1759
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:50,000
needs to be also modeled because again,

1760
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,640
what's what's stopping the flow in that

1761
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,440
parking lot isn't the cars trying to go

1762
01:08:55,440 --> 01:08:58,159
right. It's and I've talked to a few

1763
01:08:58,159 --> 01:09:00,319
parents. I'm I say, "Why won't you go

1764
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:02,640
through the parking lot? Your your child

1765
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,199
is on campus." And they said, "Because I

1766
01:09:05,199 --> 01:09:07,520
can't turn right. I gotta go somewhere

1767
01:09:07,520 --> 01:09:10,480
where I can, you know, be closer to

1768
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:13,600
where I'm headed. Which leads to Council

1769
01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:17,359
Member Young's comment that why don't we

1770
01:09:17,359 --> 01:09:20,480
just send people back the way they came?

1771
01:09:20,480 --> 01:09:23,279
Like they come in Maine, let's let them

1772
01:09:23,279 --> 01:09:26,880
go back out Maine and not impact to the

1773
01:09:26,880 --> 01:09:28,880
level we're talking about the rest of

1774
01:09:28,880 --> 01:09:31,040
Main Street. Or at least model it. like

1775
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:33,920
can we at least look at one other

1776
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,400
option?

1777
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,040
>> Yeah. And and uh I you make a good point

1778
01:09:39,040 --> 01:09:41,600
about the right turns. It's not a based

1779
01:09:41,600 --> 01:09:43,600
on the traffic data that we've collected

1780
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,759
uh and that previous uh consultants have

1781
01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:48,480
collected. It's more of a 2:1 ratio

1782
01:09:48,480 --> 01:09:50,080
where there's about two left turns to

1783
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:52,319
every one right turn. Uh but the point

1784
01:09:52,319 --> 01:09:53,920
still stands to to what you're saying

1785
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:55,520
that there are less right turns than

1786
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:59,120
there are left turns. Um that being

1787
01:09:59,120 --> 01:10:01,199
said, a lot of the contribution for the

1788
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:03,280
queuing on Main Street does end up

1789
01:10:03,280 --> 01:10:07,120
coming from those right turns. Uh and

1790
01:10:07,120 --> 01:10:10,480
it's them contributing to waiting for

1791
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:12,400
that crossing to occur could lead to

1792
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:15,199
additional spillback down Main Street or

1793
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:17,520
to to the point that I raised uh

1794
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:19,280
potentially jumping out. Now, now to

1795
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,120
your point about two crossing guards and

1796
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:22,800
having that implemented at other places,

1797
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,480
for certain I I've seen that done at

1798
01:10:24,480 --> 01:10:26,080
other schools. The the big

1799
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,159
differentiator to your point is Main

1800
01:10:28,159 --> 01:10:30,400
Street. That Main Street is a much

1801
01:10:30,400 --> 01:10:32,239
higher traffic roadway than what you

1802
01:10:32,239 --> 01:10:33,840
would typically see in the ma see the

1803
01:10:33,840 --> 01:10:37,840
main access of a school located on.

1804
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,360
>> Jessica, do you have any other questions

1805
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:39,679
for

1806
01:10:39,679 --> 01:10:42,640
>> No. So based on that, still with a third

1807
01:10:42,640 --> 01:10:46,000
option of turning left, you would still

1808
01:10:46,000 --> 01:10:47,520
not

1809
01:10:47,520 --> 01:10:50,960
recommend looking into that further?

1810
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:52,800
>> I wouldn't necessarily say that I

1811
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,000
wouldn't recommend looking into it

1812
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,560
further. I would say that I the the thing I would

1813
01:10:58,560 --> 01:11:00,719
say is

1814
01:11:00,719 --> 01:11:02,800
I wouldn't recommend moving forward with

1815
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,520
it without looking into it further that

1816
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:06,640
we would need to do additional

1817
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,440
exploration on what the impacts of that

1818
01:11:09,440 --> 01:11:11,280
would be uh before we could say for

1819
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:13,920
certain whether that is a an a viable

1820
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:15,760
alternative.

1821
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:17,760
>> Okay, that's it. Thank you. As a follow

1822
01:11:17,760 --> 01:11:19,600
to your last oh sorry to your last

1823
01:11:19,600 --> 01:11:21,920
comment just what you just said we were

1824
01:11:21,920 --> 01:11:24,159
planning you you mentioned a pilot would

1825
01:11:24,159 --> 01:11:25,440
is it

1826
01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:27,760
>> would you recommend we pilot both models

1827
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:29,360
of the crosswalk to the north and

1828
01:11:29,360 --> 01:11:31,120
crosswalk in the middle or not worth

1829
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:35,440
piloting because it hasn't been studied.

1830
01:11:35,440 --> 01:11:38,000
>> Uh

1831
01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:39,360
that is something that you could

1832
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:40,480
potentially do. It's a little more

1833
01:11:40,480 --> 01:11:42,239
costly to do a pilot of a of a crossing.

1834
01:11:42,239 --> 01:11:43,920
you would you would need to uh still

1835
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:46,719
stripe it temporarily uh to make sure

1836
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:48,400
that has the proper level of visibility,

1837
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,000
but that would be a potential option.

1838
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,320
Yeah. Is is none of the solutions that

1839
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,239
we're recommending here are permanent

1840
01:11:54,239 --> 01:11:57,120
fixtures other than the striping itself.

1841
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,199
And so that gives you the flexibility to

1842
01:11:59,199 --> 01:12:01,920
explore and make that decision uh based

1843
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,760
on what you see the actual operational

1844
01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:05,600
condition being.

1845
01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:08,560
>> That was very good comment. I'll after

1846
01:12:08,560 --> 01:12:10,640
this meeting I'll be like writing it and

1847
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:11,760
putting it in bold letters.

1848
01:12:11,760 --> 01:12:13,040
>> So, Michael, I've got a question

1849
01:12:13,040 --> 01:12:15,360
regarding um Councilwoman Smeuan's

1850
01:12:15,360 --> 01:12:17,520
suggestion. Um when I first read it, I

1851
01:12:17,520 --> 01:12:18,719
was like, how is that going to be any

1852
01:12:18,719 --> 01:12:21,280
different than what we have existing? um

1853
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,600
you know and then talked about the

1854
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,159
protected and I'm doing it in quotes of

1855
01:12:26,159 --> 01:12:29,280
the left-hand churn because that main

1856
01:12:29,280 --> 01:12:31,679
street is how I enter the city and how I

1857
01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:35,520
exit the city probably 99% of the time

1858
01:12:35,520 --> 01:12:37,199
except for the 1% of the time that I

1859
01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:38,640
remember that school is getting out and

1860
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,800
I try to go a different way and I always

1861
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,400
forget. So, what I've seen is if you

1862
01:12:44,400 --> 01:12:46,640
move the crosswalk just north of the

1863
01:12:46,640 --> 01:12:49,280
driveways and it's, let's say, you know,

1864
01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:50,800
the crossing guard is there and the kids

1865
01:12:50,800 --> 01:12:54,719
are crossing, all traffic is stopped and

1866
01:12:54,719 --> 01:12:56,560
people are going to be queued right to

1867
01:12:56,560 --> 01:12:58,880
the end. And you know, it'd be one

1868
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,320
thing, like you said, if there's an

1869
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:03,199
additional headcount that can manage

1870
01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:05,520
that, but in most instances, what I've

1871
01:13:05,520 --> 01:13:08,560
seen is that all traffic is blocked.

1872
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:10,320
Whenever

1873
01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,239
there is a crossing going on with the

1874
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:14,960
students, both northbound and southbound

1875
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:17,600
traffic is completely halted. Every once

1876
01:13:17,600 --> 01:13:19,840
in a while, if there is room, we do see

1877
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:23,280
people darting in and out. I feel like

1878
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,679
or my understanding of this is it's

1879
01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:27,760
twofold. One is safety, which is

1880
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,719
paramount, and second is traffic. And

1881
01:13:30,719 --> 01:13:32,159
you know, that is more of a nuisance

1882
01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:33,760
than anything, but it's very important

1883
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:37,120
to the residents of our city. Um, far as

1884
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:40,320
putting the um crosswalk just to the

1885
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:42,560
north of it,

1886
01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,280
I do feel like people would still try to

1887
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:47,440
dart out even if it's just competing

1888
01:13:47,440 --> 01:13:49,760
with the traffic that's coming from the

1889
01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:52,159
south to the northbound. That's why we

1890
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:54,880
need that other

1891
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:58,400
>> that's I know but it's you know we don't

1892
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,080
have one right now what that looks like

1893
01:14:00,080 --> 01:14:02,400
whether you know I think that's

1894
01:14:02,400 --> 01:14:03,360
something that you have to have a

1895
01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:05,679
discussion with but you could still be

1896
01:14:05,679 --> 01:14:08,480
in a situation where they're not going

1897
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:11,600
to be able to exit in theory yes that

1898
01:14:11,600 --> 01:14:14,080
could totally work to an extent but is

1899
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:16,400
that also um Michael you mentioned that

1900
01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:19,440
if we do divert the traffic to right

1901
01:14:19,440 --> 01:14:22,800
hand turn only and they go up to six

1902
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,040
east canyon cra or to ridge and then a

1903
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:28,000
canyon crest then you saw a viable need

1904
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:31,040
for a roundabout at that point.

1905
01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:34,880
But other than that, if we still allow

1906
01:14:34,880 --> 01:14:36,800
left-handed traffic, which we could

1907
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:39,199
still have the safety issues, still have

1908
01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:42,000
the traffic issues, but the need for the

1909
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:44,000
roundabout would no longer as far as a

1910
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:49,189
traffic load need is no longer existent.

1911
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:49,840
Is that right?

1912
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:51,920
>> Uh it would be it would be on the cusp

1913
01:14:51,920 --> 01:14:53,520
that our study didn't necessarily

1914
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:55,520
analyze what growth might occur between

1915
01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:58,320
now and when right uh the the

1916
01:14:58,320 --> 01:15:00,159
Mountainville is fully reoriented with

1917
01:15:00,159 --> 01:15:01,600
that new north egress,

1918
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:02,080
>> right?

1919
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:05,120
>> Uh it's it's close regardless. So I I

1920
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:07,840
would say yes, based on an existing a

1921
01:15:07,840 --> 01:15:10,239
study of existing traffic, sure,

1922
01:15:10,239 --> 01:15:12,640
>> but near-term future, it's it's very

1923
01:15:12,640 --> 01:15:14,320
close to needing that roundabout even

1924
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:15,840
without this rerouting.

1925
01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:18,480
>> Okay. Thank you very much. I'm gonna ask

1926
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:21,199
um Officer Charlie Thirstston to come up

1927
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:23,840
to the stand to the microphone um

1928
01:15:23,840 --> 01:15:25,440
because I know you've been in our city.

1929
01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:28,000
And then while he's coming up, Chief, if

1930
01:15:28,000 --> 01:15:31,280
you have any additional insights in your

1931
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:34,480
observations of um the traffic issues

1932
01:15:34,480 --> 01:15:41,270
regarding safety and traffic,

1933
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:42,719
» maybe I should have just viewed online

1934
01:15:42,719 --> 01:15:45,520
today. No, I'm just teasing. What uh

1935
01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,360
what would you like me to go over? You

1936
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:48,640
guys have covered it pretty thoroughly

1937
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:50,000
tonight with your observations and

1938
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:51,120
talking and discussion and question.

1939
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,199
>> What did you think about um well you saw

1940
01:15:53,199 --> 01:15:57,199
the recommendations um how you know

1941
01:15:57,199 --> 01:15:58,800
>> in seeing what the situation is

1942
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:00,719
currently? I know you've been there and

1943
01:16:00,719 --> 01:16:02,400
like I said me just you know sitting in

1944
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:04,800
that traffic of waiting going both ways

1945
01:16:04,800 --> 01:16:07,679
and seeing the behavior of the drivers

1946
01:16:07,679 --> 01:16:09,920
and the kids because they are kids right

1947
01:16:09,920 --> 01:16:11,199
and um

1948
01:16:11,199 --> 01:16:13,760
>> and the you know drivers of you know of

1949
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:17,600
the road and also drivers of the school

1950
01:16:17,600 --> 01:16:19,600
you know what do you think of the

1951
01:16:19,600 --> 01:16:20,800
recommendations do you think it will

1952
01:16:20,800 --> 01:16:23,199
help our safety and traffic issues that

1953
01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:25,679
we're presently seeing? Uh my

1954
01:16:25,679 --> 01:16:27,440
observation in moving the crosswalk

1955
01:16:27,440 --> 01:16:30,400
south um I think is is good because you

1956
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,400
have that weird intersection with 100

1957
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,800
South, 120 South, and Main Street. I

1958
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:36,239
think getting away from that is going to

1959
01:16:36,239 --> 01:16:40,080
be advantageous for sure. Um as far as

1960
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:41,520
exactly where to put it, I would

1961
01:16:41,520 --> 01:16:43,760
probably rely on a future study. my own

1962
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,480
observations in how traffic goes. Even

1963
01:16:46,480 --> 01:16:48,239
when an officer is out directing

1964
01:16:48,239 --> 01:16:50,560
traffic, say on an accident with their

1965
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:52,960
red and blue lights going, traffic still

1966
01:16:52,960 --> 01:16:55,040
does not perform how you think it would.

1967
01:16:55,040 --> 01:16:56,960
And I think the biggest defeat to having

1968
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:58,640
the [clears throat] crosswalk to the

1969
01:16:58,640 --> 01:17:01,440
north of that egress is it's going to

1970
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:03,520
get blocked and no one's going to be

1971
01:17:03,520 --> 01:17:05,679
able to turn left. And that's coming

1972
01:17:05,679 --> 01:17:07,679
from experience of again having red and

1973
01:17:07,679 --> 01:17:10,239
blue lights on the side of the road with

1974
01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:11,600
crashed cars in the middle of the

1975
01:17:11,600 --> 01:17:12,800
intersection. They're still trying to

1976
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:14,000
get around. They're still trying to push

1977
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:15,520
the boundary of getting as close as they

1978
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:17,920
can and trying to get where they think

1979
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:19,520
they need to go. That would be the human

1980
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:20,000
nature.

1981
01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:21,440
>> Yeah.

1982
01:17:21,440 --> 01:17:22,080
>> Thank you.

1983
01:17:22,080 --> 01:17:24,560
>> I can you explain a little bit um when

1984
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:27,040
they're all queued up along Main Street.

1985
01:17:27,040 --> 01:17:28,800
We're trying to get them off Main Street

1986
01:17:28,800 --> 01:17:31,760
queued in any way like why is that such

1987
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:34,880
a a problem for safety? I think you you

1988
01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,199
explained it to the um task force, but

1989
01:17:37,199 --> 01:17:38,640
just share your insights with the whole

1990
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:39,280
group.

1991
01:17:39,280 --> 01:17:41,040
>> Uh I think that's a few. I mean,

1992
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:42,400
obviously, it's kind of an annoyance for

1993
01:17:42,400 --> 01:17:44,400
the people that might live there or, you

1994
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:47,600
know, try to frequent if they uh have

1995
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:49,360
visitors in Red Pine Drive or whatever

1996
01:17:49,360 --> 01:17:50,800
else it causes an issue there. I think

1997
01:17:50,800 --> 01:17:52,239
they're pretty good about keeping Red

1998
01:17:52,239 --> 01:17:54,800
Pine Drive clear. Um, but there was a a

1999
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,320
comment brought up about the driveways

2000
01:17:56,320 --> 01:17:58,159
and stuff that are there. Um, the other

2001
01:17:58,159 --> 01:18:00,320
thing with moving the crosswalk south, I

2002
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,320
think that might be in in regards to

2003
01:18:02,320 --> 01:18:04,400
your comment that might be nice is the

2004
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:06,159
main street is a little bit wider as you

2005
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:09,360
go farther south. So, it might encourage

2006
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,000
drivers to use, you know, a little bit

2007
01:18:12,000 --> 01:18:13,840
more of the width of Main Street as you

2008
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:16,080
go farther south where there's a little

2009
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:18,400
bit extra room to queue on that west

2010
01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:20,800
side of Main Street, closer to the

2011
01:18:20,800 --> 01:18:22,080
roundabout. Not that you're going all

2012
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:23,840
the way to the roundabout, but that

2013
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:25,120
might be a better option to where

2014
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:26,560
parents that are currently waiting at

2015
01:18:26,560 --> 01:18:28,880
the park so that they don't have to turn

2016
01:18:28,880 --> 01:18:30,159
around and then, you know, go back

2017
01:18:30,159 --> 01:18:31,840
through traffic. they might come in a

2018
01:18:31,840 --> 01:18:33,920
little bit early and head farther to the

2019
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:37,199
south where it's it's naturally a wider

2020
01:18:37,199 --> 01:18:38,880
area anyway. So

2021
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:40,560
>> I for Thank you for bring I for totally

2022
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:41,280
forgot about that.

2023
01:18:41,280 --> 01:18:43,280
>> I think you can probably agree with this

2024
01:18:43,280 --> 01:18:46,719
that people will find a way they'll they'll find the shortest place

2025
01:18:46,719 --> 01:18:48,960
possible. Absolutely. And if we restrict

2026
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:53,360
pickup north of uh 100 South, then

2027
01:18:53,360 --> 01:18:55,120
they'll find other places. And I

2028
01:18:55,120 --> 01:18:56,560
wouldn't be surprised, like you said,

2029
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:58,320
people would start queuing on the west

2030
01:18:58,320 --> 01:18:59,760
side of Main Street, south of the new

2031
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,520
crosswalk, and they'll probably be in

2032
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:03,679
that parking lot of the business

2033
01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:05,040
businesses there on the corner. I'm sure

2034
01:19:05,040 --> 01:19:06,239
they'll go there, right?

2035
01:19:06,239 --> 01:19:08,640
>> So, what I like about this idea is it

2036
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:09,760
we're never going to take all the

2037
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,040
traffic off Main Street. We're never

2038
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:12,320
going to make it

2039
01:19:12,320 --> 01:19:13,280
>> ideal,

2040
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,679
>> but it does disperse it to different

2041
01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:16,320
areas.

2042
01:19:16,320 --> 01:19:17,840
>> The reality is it's there. You got to

2043
01:19:17,840 --> 01:19:18,560
try to share the load,

2044
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:19,679
>> right? And if we have the right turn

2045
01:19:19,679 --> 01:19:21,280
only, you'll have a good [clears throat]

2046
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:22,719
number of people that will come and turn

2047
01:19:22,719 --> 01:19:24,480
on 100 South, go up the next block and

2048
01:19:24,480 --> 01:19:26,239
come and go back south on Main Street,

2049
01:19:26,239 --> 01:19:27,600
which will be fine because they're going

2050
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:28,800
south and they'll just have to deal with

2051
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:31,040
the crosswalk. If that gets too busy,

2052
01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,560
then they'll go to the next street over

2053
01:19:32,560 --> 01:19:34,719
and go over by Burgess Park. That's too

2054
01:19:34,719 --> 01:19:36,000
busy, they'll go out Westfield. They'll

2055
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:37,360
find ways.

2056
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,840
>> But I think the I think the key here is

2057
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,280
that we try and find

2058
01:19:41,280 --> 01:19:43,440
>> a way that disperses it enough so it

2059
01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:44,880
doesn't is not too much of a burden on

2060
01:19:44,880 --> 01:19:46,719
any one area, right? Like I'm really

2061
01:19:46,719 --> 01:19:49,520
concerned if we say just Red Pine then I

2062
01:19:49,520 --> 01:19:51,040
think that's caused especially with the

2063
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:53,280
senior senior housing there.

2064
01:19:53,280 --> 01:19:54,000
>> I I would say

2065
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:55,440
>> a limited number on Red Pine that's a

2066
01:19:55,440 --> 01:19:56,880
little bit further away. So I don't

2067
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:58,640
think most parents are going to want to

2068
01:19:58,640 --> 01:20:00,960
go too far down Red Pine. I think

2069
01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,120
>> uh the engineer mentioned that that it's

2070
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:04,560
going to the farther you get the less

2071
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:06,320
likely parents are going to use it.

2072
01:20:06,320 --> 01:20:08,320
>> But have some go to Red Pine.

2073
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,800
Mountainville adds that sidewalk to make

2074
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,440
it safe for them to get past the chaos

2075
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:16,080
of the parking lot and go south. people

2076
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,239
will figure it out. The key is we have

2077
01:20:18,239 --> 01:20:21,600
to have enforcement of the restrictions

2078
01:20:21,600 --> 01:20:23,600
at least concentrate at the beginning of

2079
01:20:23,600 --> 01:20:25,440
the school year and have the school

2080
01:20:25,440 --> 01:20:27,360
really put out the message that if you

2081
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:29,600
park there you're going to be ticketed.

2082
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:31,840
Um that's those are some my thoughts

2083
01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:33,440
>> right I do like the idea of people if

2084
01:20:33,440 --> 01:20:35,265
they do go around the block

2085
01:20:35,265 --> 01:20:36,320
[clears throat] excuse me and get back

2086
01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:38,080
in southbound traffic. I like that a lot

2087
01:20:38,080 --> 01:20:39,600
better than trying to dart out on a left

2088
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:40,320
turn though.

2089
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:43,360
>> Exactly. I was driving here on at 8:55

2090
01:20:43,360 --> 01:20:44,880
last Thursday to come meet with Shane

2091
01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:46,960
not during their peak but traffic time

2092
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:50,239
and a lady uh sorry a person a driver

2093
01:20:50,239 --> 01:20:51,199
pulled out

2094
01:20:51,199 --> 01:20:51,520
>> right

2095
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,440
>> because she I mean and I had to break

2096
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:54,880
and I was going under the speed limit

2097
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:56,159
and I still had to break and it wasn't

2098
01:20:56,159 --> 01:20:58,239
peak traffic. It happens all the time.

2099
01:20:58,239 --> 01:21:00,960
>> So I keeping that left-hand turn and

2100
01:21:00,960 --> 01:21:03,280
especially those those midblock U-turns

2101
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:05,040
I think is critical. So this is I I

2102
01:21:05,040 --> 01:21:07,280
really like the plan overall. Officer.

2103
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:09,120
>> So, Chief, are we currently ticketing

2104
01:21:09,120 --> 01:21:12,480
people that are parking um on the

2105
01:21:12,480 --> 01:21:14,640
sidewalk or parking next to sidewalks

2106
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,280
that are painted red during the pickup

2107
01:21:17,280 --> 01:21:19,120
times?

2108
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:20,480
>> So, it depends on, [clears throat]

2109
01:21:20,480 --> 01:21:22,320
excuse me, it depends on the day and the

2110
01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,719
availability of the officers. We have

2111
01:21:24,719 --> 01:21:27,120
there tickets before when they're there

2112
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,280
that there is contact made. Sometimes

2113
01:21:29,280 --> 01:21:31,040
citations are issued, sometimes warnings

2114
01:21:31,040 --> 01:21:32,320
are issued.

2115
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:35,199
Um, I sat there right before Christmas

2116
01:21:35,199 --> 01:21:38,239
break for a few days and um, it's

2117
01:21:38,239 --> 01:21:40,640
extremely difficult in a full-size

2118
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:42,800
vehicle to get in and out and and

2119
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,199
address issues. Uh, you either have to

2120
01:21:45,199 --> 01:21:46,800
be on a motorcycle on foot in order to

2121
01:21:46,800 --> 01:21:48,320
do that. So, it does make it difficult.

2122
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:49,760
I'm not trying to make excuses. It's

2123
01:21:49,760 --> 01:21:51,679
just a challenge that we face as as a

2124
01:21:51,679 --> 01:21:53,199
police department. I don't want to

2125
01:21:53,199 --> 01:21:55,520
belver the point. Uh, I agree with

2126
01:21:55,520 --> 01:21:57,280
everything that's been said. I will say

2127
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,120
this that I am glad that we're finally

2128
01:21:59,120 --> 01:22:01,520
have a study that we're addressing this

2129
01:22:01,520 --> 01:22:02,880
issue on Main Street. It's something

2130
01:22:02,880 --> 01:22:04,639
that we've talked about as a council and

2131
01:22:04,639 --> 01:22:06,239
as public safety and police department

2132
01:22:06,239 --> 01:22:08,560
for years and years and Shane can attest

2133
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,560
to this and mayor, I think you can

2134
01:22:10,560 --> 01:22:11,840
attest to this too. You've been around

2135
01:22:11,840 --> 01:22:12,880
long enough to know that we've been

2136
01:22:12,880 --> 01:22:14,080
having these discussions. So, I'm

2137
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:16,480
grateful that uh we finally have put

2138
01:22:16,480 --> 01:22:19,040
this study together and and I would hope

2139
01:22:19,040 --> 01:22:20,800
that we fih follow some of these

2140
01:22:20,800 --> 01:22:22,000
recommendations and if there's

2141
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:23,600
additional study to figure out the best

2142
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:26,080
place to put this crosswalk to be able

2143
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:28,800
to disperse some of the issues off of

2144
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,040
Main Street, uh we're never going to

2145
01:22:31,040 --> 01:22:32,639
alleviate it completely. We're not going

2146
01:22:32,639 --> 01:22:34,480
to be able to go back to the days before

2147
01:22:34,480 --> 01:22:36,000
Mountainville Academy was there. I

2148
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,752
remember the discussions. I've

2149
01:22:37,752 --> 01:22:38,639
[clears throat] been around long enough

2150
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:40,960
to to be in those meetings when we were

2151
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,360
having discussions about Mountainville

2152
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:45,120
Academy and Main Street. And the idea

2153
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:47,600
was that Alpine residents for students

2154
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:49,440
were going to go to Mountainville

2155
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:51,920
Academy and they were going to restrict

2156
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,400
the enrollment which has in continued to

2157
01:22:54,400 --> 01:22:56,320
increase over the years. So, we're just

2158
01:22:56,320 --> 01:22:57,760
going to continue as enrollment

2159
01:22:57,760 --> 01:22:59,840
increases and we and the school grows,

2160
01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:00,800
we're just going to bring in more

2161
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:02,880
traffic. So, I'm glad we're doing this

2162
01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:04,719
study. So, thanks.

2163
01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:05,679
>> I agree.

2164
01:23:05,679 --> 01:23:07,440
And it's good that we have the

2165
01:23:07,440 --> 01:23:09,280
opportunity with the city now owning

2166
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:11,360
that property on on one south that gives

2167
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:12,480
us the opportunity to have a second

2168
01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:14,400
egress and having a Mountainville

2169
01:23:14,400 --> 01:23:17,040
Academy board who is uh being very

2170
01:23:17,040 --> 01:23:18,560
cooperative and trying to work with us.

2171
01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:20,000
>> Exactly. And and for that we're

2172
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:21,120
appreciative because it's not always

2173
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,280
been that way and we appreciate the the

2174
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:24,800
response and the relationship that's

2175
01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:25,600
been developed. So

2176
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:26,000
>> one last

2177
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:27,199
>> Thank you for allowing us to be part of

2178
01:23:27,199 --> 01:23:28,000
that conversation.

2179
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:29,840
>> I have a question just how does the

2180
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:31,600
crossing guards work? Does the school

2181
01:23:31,600 --> 01:23:32,960
place the crossing guards?

2182
01:23:32,960 --> 01:23:35,520
>> No, the city does. Okay. So, it's

2183
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:35,840
>> police.

2184
01:23:35,840 --> 01:23:37,040
>> Yeah, it's the police department.

2185
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,323
>> Well, but then but they bill us.

2186
01:23:39,323 --> 01:23:40,239
[laughter]

2187
01:23:40,239 --> 01:23:41,600
>> It's through the police department.

2188
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:42,159
>> Yeah.

2189
01:23:42,159 --> 01:23:43,120
I know.

2190
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,800
>> They provide they provide the training

2191
01:23:44,800 --> 01:23:47,440
which which um I think Michael addressed

2192
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:54,960
that to simplify the crossing allows the crossing guard to do their job. If

2193
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:57,520
we make it more complicated, the

2194
01:23:57,520 --> 01:23:59,440
training, the level of training and all

2195
01:23:59,440 --> 01:24:02,960
of that is just they have a hard time uh

2196
01:24:02,960 --> 01:24:06,000
getting that level of training for the

2197
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,199
rate that they're paying.

2198
01:24:07,199 --> 01:24:08,960
>> Well, I don't mean the training piece

2199
01:24:08,960 --> 01:24:11,120
like who determines

2200
01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:13,199
there's a crossing guard that stands

2201
01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:16,159
here. I guess it's the training and

2202
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:18,800
where they actually stand. So, when the

2203
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:20,880
crosswalk gets moved south, wherever it

2204
01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:24,560
ends up, does the police department say

2205
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,120
this is where a crossing guard will

2206
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:27,679
stand?

2207
01:24:27,679 --> 01:24:28,800
>> So, I'm I'm going to let Sergeant

2208
01:24:28,800 --> 01:24:30,239
Thirsten answer this because he's the

2209
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:31,840
one that coordinates everything with our

2210
01:24:31,840 --> 01:24:33,120
crossing guards. He's the best one to

2211
01:24:33,120 --> 01:24:34,080
answer that question.

2212
01:24:34,080 --> 01:24:35,360
>> Yeah, we do. And it's interesting you

2213
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:36,560
bring that up because one of the points

2214
01:24:36,560 --> 01:24:38,159
that is a concern right now with where

2215
01:24:38,159 --> 01:24:40,239
the crosswalk currently is is for the

2216
01:24:40,239 --> 01:24:42,560
kids to to cue their um as they're

2217
01:24:42,560 --> 01:24:44,320
leaving the school to go westbound

2218
01:24:44,320 --> 01:24:46,480
across Main Street. They have to they

2219
01:24:46,480 --> 01:24:49,120
have to either block the sidewalk or

2220
01:24:49,120 --> 01:24:51,360
queue in the bank parking lot and the

2221
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:52,639
bank's not going to give us permission

2222
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:54,719
to openly just do that. And so they do

2223
01:24:54,719 --> 01:24:56,560
that because kids naturally will do

2224
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:58,480
that. Um, and so that would be the other

2225
01:24:58,480 --> 01:25:00,239
nice thing about having the crosswalk

2226
01:25:00,239 --> 01:25:04,719
south is there's a spot designated for them to queue that's not immediately

2227
01:25:04,719 --> 01:25:06,639
blocking the sidewalk.

2228
01:25:06,639 --> 01:25:08,320
>> So the school reaches out to you and

2229
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:10,080
then you all work together or the city

2230
01:25:10,080 --> 01:25:11,679
reaches out to you and you all work

2231
01:25:11,679 --> 01:25:12,480
together.

2232
01:25:12,480 --> 01:25:16,000
>> As far as which I I can comment on that.

2233
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,560
So, in certain situations with the

2234
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:22,320
MUTCT, the manual uniform traffic

2235
01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:25,360
control devices, uh certain situations

2236
01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:27,840
require a crossing guard. So, if you

2237
01:25:27,840 --> 01:25:30,159
have a reduced speed school zone like we

2238
01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:32,880
have here, uh so down to 20 miles an

2239
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:35,040
hour and it's an elementary, you're

2240
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,040
required to have a crossing guard. If

2241
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:39,120
you have that situation, I believe for a

2242
01:25:39,120 --> 01:25:41,120
junior high or high school, you're not

2243
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,280
required to have a crossing guard. So

2244
01:25:43,280 --> 01:25:45,440
technically, Mountain Ridge Junior High

2245
01:25:45,440 --> 01:25:47,120
is not required to have a crossing

2246
01:25:47,120 --> 01:25:47,920
guard,

2247
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:50,400
>> but we provide it.

2248
01:25:50,400 --> 01:25:52,320
>> because it's not an elementary school.

2249
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:54,639
So that's his point.

2250
01:25:54,639 --> 01:25:56,480
>> And then the city, you just collaborate

2251
01:25:56,480 --> 01:25:58,639
with I'm sorry, the school or you just

2252
01:25:58,639 --> 01:26:01,120
tell the school this is where this is

2253
01:26:01,120 --> 01:26:02,159
happening

2254
01:26:02,159 --> 01:26:03,199
>> or again it's

2255
01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:05,040
>> as far as locations of crosswalks. Is

2256
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:06,000
that what you're referring to?

2257
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,080
>> Crossing guards. I think that that comes

2258
01:26:08,080 --> 01:26:09,840
from the city where where there are the

2259
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:11,600
needs and it it all ultimately comes

2260
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:12,960
down to what they want to budget for.

2261
01:26:12,960 --> 01:26:15,040
How many crosswalk crossing guards were

2262
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:16,480
kind of facing the same thing over on

2263
01:26:16,480 --> 01:26:20,719
Timberline uh on uh Westfield Road where

2264
01:26:20,719 --> 01:26:22,320
all those additional streets have opened

2265
01:26:22,320 --> 01:26:24,159
up for access west of Timberline Middle

2266
01:26:24,159 --> 01:26:26,719
School. It used to just be one where the

2267
01:26:26,719 --> 01:26:28,239
kids would cross and now there's four or

2268
01:26:28,239 --> 01:26:29,840
five spots. Do you pay four or five more

2269
01:26:29,840 --> 01:26:31,760
crossing guards for every single spot?

2270
01:26:31,760 --> 01:26:33,120
It's up to the city where they where

2271
01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,920
they place those. And you're you're not

2272
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:37,360
you're supposed to have a certain

2273
01:26:37,360 --> 01:26:39,679
minimum certain distance between

2274
01:26:39,679 --> 01:26:43,679
crosswalks and different things, but we haven't added a reduced speed school

2275
01:26:43,679 --> 01:26:45,440
zone for [clears throat] many years.

2276
01:26:45,440 --> 01:26:47,760
>> Yeah. Quite some time. So I think

2277
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:49,840
Westfield might have been the last one

2278
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,840
and that was a long time ago. So then

2279
01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,840
that just to clarify, the two crossing

2280
01:26:53,840 --> 01:26:56,320
guards that are currently on Maine and

2281
01:26:56,320 --> 01:27:00,480
on 100 are city placed and

2282
01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:02,400
police approved or or

2283
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:03,840
>> Yeah, they're actually employees of the

2284
01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:05,600
police department. Correct.

2285
01:27:05,600 --> 01:27:08,080
>> So police department placed. Yes.

2286
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:10,480
>> But we fund it through our contribution

2287
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:12,800
to the public safety district.

2288
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:14,560
>> Because that was my other thought in

2289
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,880
looking at dispersing and moving all

2290
01:27:16,880 --> 01:27:18,560
this activity closer to the school. So,

2291
01:27:18,560 --> 01:27:21,199
as a parent, my I'm going to send my

2292
01:27:21,199 --> 01:27:23,360
child where there's crossing guards. So,

2293
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:26,960
as a city, we have the ability to also

2294
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,080
guide those those routes.

2295
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:31,679
>> It's really probably a collaboration

2296
01:27:31,679 --> 01:27:33,760
with the police department, the schools

2297
01:27:33,760 --> 01:27:36,880
as they do their safe routes to school

2298
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:38,719
uh plan that they're supposed to do by

2299
01:27:38,719 --> 01:27:41,360
state law and and the city. So, probably

2300
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,840
a joint effort. Okay. Plus, I do get a

2301
01:27:43,840 --> 01:27:45,120
fair amount of calls from residents,

2302
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:46,480
especially if they're new to the area,

2303
01:27:46,480 --> 01:27:48,239
saying, "Hey, you know, we have students

2304
01:27:48,239 --> 01:27:49,840
that go to this school. Was there a

2305
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:51,920
potential to have a crosswalk here?" And

2306
01:27:51,920 --> 01:27:53,679
I' I've always directed them back to the

2307
01:27:53,679 --> 01:27:55,199
city because ultimately they're the ones

2308
01:27:55,199 --> 01:27:56,960
that make the decision through

2309
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:58,719
everything Shane just mentioned.

2310
01:27:58,719 --> 01:28:01,600
>> Okay. Thank you. Can we just um clarify

2311
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,679
on this why they're there? There's

2312
01:28:03,679 --> 01:28:06,320
usually reduced speed. Do we have all

2313
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,400
those signs in place on Main Street or

2314
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,400
They're not there. They're all there

2315
01:28:10,400 --> 01:28:13,440
>> and that's required. Um,

2316
01:28:13,440 --> 01:28:17,840
>> and then when is is it just during a

2317
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:21,679
certain time period? Remind me. I don't use Main Street very often.

2318
01:28:21,679 --> 01:28:23,199
>> It's right before they get out and

2319
01:28:23,199 --> 01:28:24,719
right. It's like isn't it like 30

2320
01:28:24,719 --> 01:28:26,719
minutes before 30 minutes after or 20?

2321
01:28:26,719 --> 01:28:28,639
It's there time right before school

2322
01:28:28,639 --> 01:28:30,880
starts and right after it gets out.

2323
01:28:30,880 --> 01:28:32,400
>> Yeah. So, it's typically about five

2324
01:28:32,400 --> 01:28:34,320
minutes before it gets out for the day.

2325
01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:35,760
the crossing guard is there with lights

2326
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:37,600
on and then it lasts for between 25

2327
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:40,080
depending on location for 25 to 30

2328
01:28:40,080 --> 01:28:42,159
minutes after school gets out and prior

2329
01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:43,760
to school starting it's the same thing

2330
01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:46,800
it's between 25 and 30 minutes um

2331
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:48,159
depending on how close it is to the

2332
01:28:48,159 --> 01:28:49,920
school over in in Highland at Ridgeline

2333
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:51,520
over on 11800 North and Highland

2334
01:28:51,520 --> 01:28:52,960
Boulevard it's farther away from the

2335
01:28:52,960 --> 01:28:54,400
school so those times alter a little bit

2336
01:28:54,400 --> 01:28:55,600
because it takes students longer to

2337
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:58,159
either get there or get from there so

2338
01:28:58,159 --> 01:28:59,760
>> and we have all that operational right

2339
01:28:59,760 --> 01:29:01,040
now at our current

2340
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:01,760
>> correct

2341
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:03,440
>> the crossings are turns the lights on

2342
01:29:03,440 --> 01:29:03,920
and off

2343
01:29:03,920 --> 01:29:04,560
>> correct

2344
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:05,360
Yes.

2345
01:29:05,360 --> 01:29:06,560
>> Thank you. I wasn't sure how that

2346
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:06,880
worked.

2347
01:29:06,880 --> 01:29:08,560
>> Just out of curiosity, if say

2348
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:10,320
Mountainville wanted to have a

2349
01:29:10,320 --> 01:29:13,280
volunteer, employee or parent become

2350
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:16,000
trained to help with traffic. Is that

2351
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:16,639
>> we'll take them

2352
01:29:16,639 --> 01:29:17,520
>> allowed? Yeah.

2353
01:29:17,520 --> 01:29:18,639
>> Yeah. They would they would end up

2354
01:29:18,639 --> 01:29:20,800
having to be become an employee of the

2355
01:29:20,800 --> 01:29:22,560
police department to be a cross crossing

2356
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:23,840
guard and we do get a fair amount from

2357
01:29:23,840 --> 01:29:25,360
them because then they're they're

2358
01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:27,199
protected under liability. I have yet to

2359
01:29:27,199 --> 01:29:29,920
find a school that will just let someone

2360
01:29:29,920 --> 01:29:31,840
do, you know, as far as one of their

2361
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:33,520
employees because of the liability.

2362
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:35,280
Okay. And they could help with traffic

2363
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:38,800
as well or just crossing children.

2364
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:39,520
>> Li

2365
01:29:39,520 --> 01:29:40,159
>> I [clears throat] was going to say

2366
01:29:40,159 --> 01:29:40,960
usually like

2367
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:42,239
>> talking about liability talking about

2368
01:29:42,239 --> 01:29:43,760
liability with kids. Yeah.

2369
01:29:43,760 --> 01:29:45,360
>> You can't have random people stopping

2370
01:29:45,360 --> 01:29:47,600
traffic, you know. Um so I think you

2371
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:48,960
have to go through the proper channels,

2372
01:29:48,960 --> 01:29:49,520
but

2373
01:29:49,520 --> 01:29:50,880
>> I was just saying

2374
01:29:50,880 --> 01:29:52,719
>> considering if you know we still allowed

2375
01:29:52,719 --> 01:29:54,239
left-hand turns if that was

2376
01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:55,840
>> the question is if we're still hiring I

2377
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:57,280
would love to hire you for a crossing

2378
01:29:57,280 --> 01:29:58,560
guard. No. Awesome.

2379
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:00,159
>> I don't know how, but Alpine has like a

2380
01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:01,520
resident that does it.

2381
01:30:01,520 --> 01:30:04,239
>> And just and maybe Dan can clarify. Um I

2382
01:30:04,239 --> 01:30:08,800
did speak with him earlier today. The school does have a cap on amount of

2383
01:30:08,800 --> 01:30:10,960
students they can enroll, right? So

2384
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:12,880
that's not planning on growing.

2385
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:13,760
>> Can I just make

2386
01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:14,719
>> Is that okay, Carla?

2387
01:30:14,719 --> 01:30:16,639
>> Sure. Come on up, Dan.

2388
01:30:16,639 --> 01:30:19,360
>> Yeah, just on that point. Um so that's

2389
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:20,800
right. So our charter is set by the

2390
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:23,120
state. It's capped at 750. It's been

2391
01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:26,159
that way since the start. Um the

2392
01:30:26,159 --> 01:30:29,679
enrollment average has been between 675

2393
01:30:29,679 --> 01:30:34,320
to 725. Uh it peaked I think in 2022

2394
01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:36,800
when the school still had s 7th 8th and

2395
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,120
9th grades. Um when the middle school

2396
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:40,639
years or junior high years were removed

2397
01:30:40,639 --> 01:30:44,239
it went back down below 700. Um and so

2398
01:30:44,239 --> 01:30:46,960
in order to change that uh charter

2399
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:49,520
amount it takes an act of Congress. It's

2400
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:51,760
through the state legislature and it

2401
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:53,440
actually isn't determined by the amount

2402
01:30:53,440 --> 01:30:54,800
of available square feet on the

2403
01:30:54,800 --> 01:30:56,320
property. It's determined by population

2404
01:30:56,320 --> 01:30:58,960
growth and we don't have the population

2405
01:30:58,960 --> 01:31:00,800
growth in this particular area to my

2406
01:31:00,800 --> 01:31:02,560
knowledge to even warrant that. So I

2407
01:31:02,560 --> 01:31:04,159
don't believe that there is any viable

2408
01:31:04,159 --> 01:31:06,800
path for the school. Even if there was a

2409
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:08,480
board that all of a sudden woke up one

2410
01:31:08,480 --> 01:31:10,560
morning and wanted to increase the the

2411
01:31:10,560 --> 01:31:12,080
charter limit, I don't think that

2412
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:14,239
there's a path to even do it. Um and

2413
01:31:14,239 --> 01:31:16,639
it's never been discussed as as a a

2414
01:31:16,639 --> 01:31:18,560
preferred option. And in fact, like we

2415
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:20,320
love the the the size that we're at

2416
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:22,400
right now, but we are below the limit.

2417
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:23,840
If it ever pushed up, if there were

2418
01:31:23,840 --> 01:31:26,560
demand for more than 750 students to

2419
01:31:26,560 --> 01:31:29,199
attend, uh that triggers the ability for

2420
01:31:29,199 --> 01:31:31,760
the school to give preferential

2421
01:31:31,760 --> 01:31:34,159
admittance to Alpine City residents. And

2422
01:31:34,159 --> 01:31:36,320
so right now, because we're below the

2423
01:31:36,320 --> 01:31:38,239
cap, it's kind of random, first come,

2424
01:31:38,239 --> 01:31:40,719
first serve. If uh all of a sudden there

2425
01:31:40,719 --> 01:31:43,040
were need for 900 students to come, then

2426
01:31:43,040 --> 01:31:44,320
we could say, "All right, Alpine

2427
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,880
students get first preference." and then

2428
01:31:46,880 --> 01:31:49,120
it spills over to residents from

2429
01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:50,480
anywhere in the state. So that's just

2430
01:31:50,480 --> 01:31:51,120
like the current.

2431
01:31:51,120 --> 01:31:52,960
>> And did that change? Because I thought

2432
01:31:52,960 --> 01:31:55,280
in order to increase your charter, you

2433
01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,840
guys just had to go to the state charter

2434
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:00,159
school board and get permission from

2435
01:32:00,159 --> 01:32:01,760
them to increase your charter, which is

2436
01:32:01,760 --> 01:32:05,679
what you guys did in what was it 2017?

2437
01:32:05,679 --> 01:32:07,120
Was it 2013?

2438
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:09,280
>> It would have been earlier than 2017, I

2439
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:10,639
believe. I can go back and I can come

2440
01:32:10,639 --> 01:32:12,320
back another meeting and like hey here's

2441
01:32:12,320 --> 01:32:12,960
the exact

2442
01:32:12,960 --> 01:32:14,639
>> I think I believe that's how because I

2443
01:32:14,639 --> 01:32:16,960
was asking about what that process was

2444
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:17,920
and um

2445
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:19,760
>> yeah I'll come back with better facts.

2446
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,159
My understanding is that it is has to go

2447
01:32:22,159 --> 01:32:24,159
through the legislature too. Um

2448
01:32:24,159 --> 01:32:26,080
>> maybe they consider the state charter

2449
01:32:26,080 --> 01:32:28,159
school board part of the legislature but

2450
01:32:28,159 --> 01:32:30,000
that was the process before unless it's

2451
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:31,840
changed in the last couple of years. I

2452
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:33,360
can come back with a here's the exact

2453
01:32:33,360 --> 01:32:35,600
process, but I will give the just the

2454
01:32:35,600 --> 01:32:38,960
overall broad message that no board uh

2455
01:32:38,960 --> 01:32:41,120
no one on the board in any recent

2456
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:42,560
history has there been ever discussion

2457
01:32:42,560 --> 01:32:44,480
to want to increase the charter size.

2458
01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:45,760
So,

2459
01:32:45,760 --> 01:32:46,239
>> thanks D.

2460
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:47,600
>> That's all I got.

2461
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:50,080
>> Hey, mayor. I have two two quick things.

2462
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:53,920
>> Okay. Uh, one is in my first year

2463
01:32:53,920 --> 01:32:56,639
serving on the city council in 2024, the

2464
01:32:56,639 --> 01:32:58,159
Mountainville Academy board was much

2465
01:32:58,159 --> 01:33:00,560
less receptive to working with the city

2466
01:33:00,560 --> 01:33:03,120
uh to do this and and I really

2467
01:33:03,120 --> 01:33:04,880
appreciate Dan and the current board for

2468
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:07,199
being much more willing to do so. Just a

2469
01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:09,120
caution to the rest of city council

2470
01:33:09,120 --> 01:33:11,199
members that board can change very

2471
01:33:11,199 --> 01:33:13,600
quickly as we just I just discussed 2024

2472
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:16,080
to 20252026

2473
01:33:16,080 --> 01:33:19,040
it changed significantly and so granted

2474
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:20,800
the circumstances have changed somewhat

2475
01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:22,480
as well with the desire to have a STEM

2476
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:24,719
building and kind of a little bit

2477
01:33:24,719 --> 01:33:26,880
forcing Mountainville Academyy's hand

2478
01:33:26,880 --> 01:33:29,440
but I would just caution that any any

2479
01:33:29,440 --> 01:33:32,239
decisions we make consider the potential

2480
01:33:32,239 --> 01:33:34,639
of a future board being less receptive

2481
01:33:34,639 --> 01:33:36,800
to changes. So, while we have this

2482
01:33:36,800 --> 01:33:38,000
opportunity, which I think is an

2483
01:33:38,000 --> 01:33:39,840
excellent opportunity, let's really try

2484
01:33:39,840 --> 01:33:42,320
and get it right. And to the chief

2485
01:33:42,320 --> 01:33:44,639
Williams comment, we have this

2486
01:33:44,639 --> 01:33:45,760
opportunity. It's been around for a

2487
01:33:45,760 --> 01:33:47,679
long, long time. The city buying that

2488
01:33:47,679 --> 01:33:49,440
property was instrumental in getting us

2489
01:33:49,440 --> 01:33:51,520
to this point. So, let's try and get

2490
01:33:51,520 --> 01:33:53,280
this done as soon as possible and so it

2491
01:33:53,280 --> 01:33:55,440
can take effect in the fall for the new

2492
01:33:55,440 --> 01:33:57,760
school year. And then the second one,

2493
01:33:57,760 --> 01:34:01,440
Michael, is Michael still on

2494
01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:03,600
>> the engine here?

2495
01:34:03,600 --> 01:34:04,400
>> I am. Yes.

2496
01:34:04,400 --> 01:34:05,920
>> Okay. I have a quick question. I really

2497
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:07,840
like the idea of a sec another crosswalk

2498
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:10,480
at at 100 South. For me, as a very

2499
01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:12,719
frequent pedestrian on these streets as

2500
01:34:12,719 --> 01:34:16,159
a runner, I I uh I appreciate the

2501
01:34:16,159 --> 01:34:17,760
opportunity to cross more safely with a

2502
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:19,520
marked crosswalk versus so many unmarked

2503
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:22,080
crosswalks. I just want to clarify,

2504
01:34:22,080 --> 01:34:24,239
you're not if if we do put this

2505
01:34:24,239 --> 01:34:26,719
crosswalk in, it would not be considered

2506
01:34:26,719 --> 01:34:29,760
one for the school. Even though we would

2507
01:34:29,760 --> 01:34:31,679
use a zebra type striping, but we would

2508
01:34:31,679 --> 01:34:33,920
not be putting a a crossing guard there.

2509
01:34:33,920 --> 01:34:35,600
It would just we would just have the one

2510
01:34:35,600 --> 01:34:38,880
primary crosswalk for the school.

2511
01:34:38,880 --> 01:34:41,199
>> Uh the our recommendation is actually

2512
01:34:41,199 --> 01:34:45,040
that that 100 uh south crossing not have

2513
01:34:45,040 --> 01:34:46,719
zipa striping. It would have standard

2514
01:34:46,719 --> 01:34:47,199
>> okay

2515
01:34:47,199 --> 01:34:48,880
>> striping. So yes, it would it would not

2516
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:51,280
be it's considered a non-school crossing

2517
01:34:51,280 --> 01:34:53,600
based on how we analyzed and it just

2518
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:56,080
makes more sense. The the major any

2519
01:34:56,080 --> 01:34:57,679
school traffic they're going to want to

2520
01:34:57,679 --> 01:34:59,280
use that crossing to the south and we

2521
01:34:59,280 --> 01:35:01,199
don't want to encourage any other

2522
01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:03,199
crossings for school related crossings.

2523
01:35:03,199 --> 01:35:04,239
Excellent. Thank you for that

2524
01:35:04,239 --> 01:35:04,960
clarification.

2525
01:35:04,960 --> 01:35:07,440
>> Michael, just to clarify, if if I

2526
01:35:07,440 --> 01:35:10,480
recall, and I I might misremember this,

2527
01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:13,360
the crossing across like north and south

2528
01:35:13,360 --> 01:35:15,600
across First South, you recommended a

2529
01:35:15,600 --> 01:35:18,320
zebra crosswalk there, but the new one,

2530
01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:19,440
>> correct?

2531
01:35:19,440 --> 01:35:21,360
>> Across Main Street, just a regular,

2532
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:21,920
right?

2533
01:35:21,920 --> 01:35:22,719
>> That's

2534
01:35:22,719 --> 01:35:26,629
>> correct. Yes.

2535
01:35:26,639 --> 01:35:28,960
» Two last things that I missed to remind.

2536
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:31,360
Uh, I didn't realize this hinges on the

2537
01:35:31,360 --> 01:35:33,600
left turn, but we didn't bring it up. We

2538
01:35:33,600 --> 01:35:36,000
kind of breezed over it. It hinges if we

2539
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:38,560
diffuse everything on the roundabout. I

2540
01:35:38,560 --> 01:35:40,639
don't know if you all saw that in there.

2541
01:35:40,639 --> 01:35:42,239
And then I can't believe I didn't bring

2542
01:35:42,239 --> 01:35:43,600
it up, but it's just understood by

2543
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:46,400
everyone. This all assumes that we do

2544
01:35:46,400 --> 01:35:51,520
the north um egress. So,

2545
01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:52,960
>> I don't know if you're all crystal clear

2546
01:35:52,960 --> 01:35:53,679
on that, but I

2547
01:35:53,679 --> 01:35:55,520
>> You mean the new the new Yeah. Second

2548
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:58,159
egress. It definitely all assumes that,

2549
01:35:58,159 --> 01:36:00,080
>> right? It all assumes that, but maybe

2550
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:01,280
people didn't realize.

2551
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:03,679
>> Hinges on option 2A out of the health

2552
01:36:03,679 --> 01:36:04,800
study, right?

2553
01:36:04,800 --> 01:36:05,760
>> Yeah.

2554
01:36:05,760 --> 01:36:08,080
>> Is that a right turn only? I I saw one

2555
01:36:08,080 --> 01:36:09,840
of the diagrams that showed that, but I

2556
01:36:09,840 --> 01:36:12,320
do think it needs to be restricted to a

2557
01:36:12,320 --> 01:36:13,120
right turn only.

2558
01:36:13,120 --> 01:36:14,159
>> Yeah,

2559
01:36:14,159 --> 01:36:14,880
>> it does.

2560
01:36:14,880 --> 01:36:17,360
>> It's a right turn only on this diagram.

2561
01:36:17,360 --> 01:36:19,520
>> Yeah, that's that's our recommendation.

2562
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:22,080
The level of um enforcement you provide

2563
01:36:22,080 --> 01:36:23,600
on that is is up to the city to

2564
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:24,800
determine, but that's our initial

2565
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:26,639
recommendation.

2566
01:36:26,639 --> 01:36:28,239
Mayor, if I can just bring one other

2567
01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:30,080
point up that hasn't been made tonight,

2568
01:36:30,080 --> 01:36:32,159
and it's it comes from the study and

2569
01:36:32,159 --> 01:36:35,760
then I I think we can let Michael go. Uh

2570
01:36:35,760 --> 01:36:38,639
on the second page of the rerouting

2571
01:36:38,639 --> 01:36:44,000
assessment, um it's mentioned that uh

2572
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,159
yeah, it's mentioned that Tuesday

2573
01:36:46,159 --> 01:36:48,960
traffic was on average 13% higher than

2574
01:36:48,960 --> 01:36:52,480
Wednesday traffic. And that's due to the

2575
01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:54,639
uh Timberline, they have an early out

2576
01:36:54,639 --> 01:36:56,800
day or something. And my point is, he

2577
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:59,040
brought this up, but

2578
01:36:59,040 --> 01:37:01,920
coordinating with schools to potentially

2579
01:37:01,920 --> 01:37:03,679
make some of those adjustments on more

2580
01:37:03,679 --> 01:37:06,159
day than days than one could be a small

2581
01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:09,040
piece to a larger puzzle to help.

2582
01:37:09,040 --> 01:37:10,719
>> Yeah. No, and I think Chrissy made that

2583
01:37:10,719 --> 01:37:13,040
comment regarding early out versus

2584
01:37:13,040 --> 01:37:14,800
regular out days and how that kind of

2585
01:37:14,800 --> 01:37:15,760
helps,

2586
01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:17,840
>> but not in this meeting. It was a

2587
01:37:17,840 --> 01:37:18,560
private email.

2588
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:20,000
>> I hadn't heard him mention and I thought

2589
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:21,440
it [clears throat] was an important

2590
01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:22,400
thing. No.

2591
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:25,280
>> So, I did um they did bring that up in a

2592
01:37:25,280 --> 01:37:26,719
private conversation, but I'll make it

2593
01:37:26,719 --> 01:37:29,119
public now, said that he talked to his

2594
01:37:29,119 --> 01:37:30,719
board about that and they weren't

2595
01:37:30,719 --> 01:37:32,239
particularly

2596
01:37:32,239 --> 01:37:34,080
um keen on it specifically because

2597
01:37:34,080 --> 01:37:36,239
parents do have a need to get their

2598
01:37:36,239 --> 01:37:39,520
children places. And so, um this I guess

2599
01:37:39,520 --> 01:37:42,000
is a reflection. Thank you, Shane, for

2600
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,480
bringing this up with a 13% there was a

2601
01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:47,760
13% decrease in the overlap. I I'm not

2602
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:54,000
sure how to state that again, but do you feel that it I hate to keep using

2603
01:37:54,000 --> 01:37:56,480
that word, but it's warranted to to

2604
01:37:56,480 --> 01:37:59,679
request a shift in times or 13% is

2605
01:37:59,679 --> 01:38:07,189
negligible like

2606
01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:08,880
» sorry, is that a question for me?

2607
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:10,719
>> Yeah.

2608
01:38:10,719 --> 01:38:12,159
>> No, sorry. I I had a private

2609
01:38:12,159 --> 01:38:14,080
conversation with Dan about the

2610
01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:16,480
Mountainville Academy changing their

2611
01:38:16,480 --> 01:38:18,800
time and the the there they weren't in

2612
01:38:18,800 --> 01:38:21,760
favor of that. So going back to the 13%

2613
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:24,719
is that something that is I know there's

2614
01:38:24,719 --> 01:38:27,440
so many trait moving parts but 13% is

2615
01:38:27,440 --> 01:38:29,040
that something you would see like on a

2616
01:38:29,040 --> 01:38:32,080
scale of 1 to 10 like of importance

2617
01:38:32,080 --> 01:38:34,480
would it be below five or above five?

2618
01:38:34,480 --> 01:38:35,199
You know like

2619
01:38:35,199 --> 01:38:37,360
>> I would say I think the scale of 1 to 10

2620
01:38:37,360 --> 01:38:39,199
is a great way of grading that. I would

2621
01:38:39,199 --> 01:38:41,119
say it's below five. Okay.

2622
01:38:41,119 --> 01:38:43,119
>> It does have an impact, but it's not

2623
01:38:43,119 --> 01:38:45,360
going to be enough to tip to tip the

2624
01:38:45,360 --> 01:38:46,000
scale.

2625
01:38:46,000 --> 01:38:51,910
>> Thank you. Thank you.

2626
01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:55,280
» Well, I I needed I I Yeah.

2627
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:58,960
>> Okay. Anything else? Um if you guys want

2628
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:02,320
to. So Michael, did you want to go over

2629
01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:06,239
your um what fair Pierce is your final

2630
01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:08,719
recommendations for

2631
01:39:08,719 --> 01:39:11,760
um for this traffic study particularly?

2632
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:14,480
Okay, there we go. It's up. Okay, so we

2633
01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:16,960
have what fair Pierce is recommending as

2634
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:19,199
they study the traffic pattern. Why

2635
01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:22,719
don't we go down starting from Sarah

2636
01:39:22,719 --> 01:39:25,520
and see whether um you support this or

2637
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:27,920
if you have alternatives and then let's

2638
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:31,679
discuss that and then um kind of give um

2639
01:39:31,679 --> 01:39:35,280
direction for staff to study that out

2640
01:39:35,280 --> 01:39:36,639
and how it's going to be implemented and

2641
01:39:36,639 --> 01:39:37,920
then they'll bring it back to city

2642
01:39:37,920 --> 01:39:40,480
council to vote on to actually implement

2643
01:39:40,480 --> 01:39:41,199
it.

2644
01:39:41,199 --> 01:39:44,480
>> Go ahead, sir. Um I I did like Jessica

2645
01:39:44,480 --> 01:39:47,840
or Councilwoman Smeuan's um idea of just

2646
01:39:47,840 --> 01:39:49,679
don't bring all the traffic back into

2647
01:39:49,679 --> 01:39:50,880
Alpine if they're just going to be

2648
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:52,560
leaving. So, I do love that idea, but

2649
01:39:52,560 --> 01:39:54,880
after hearing some of the comments from,

2650
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:56,960
you know, the police officers and safety

2651
01:39:56,960 --> 01:40:00,000
and um I mean, I'd be open to studying

2652
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:03,520
that option a little bit more, but um

2653
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:06,560
so, but but if this is what we have and

2654
01:40:06,560 --> 01:40:08,480
just based off of today's conversation

2655
01:40:08,480 --> 01:40:11,840
and the study, I would I would recommend

2656
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:14,320
moving the the crosswalk south in

2657
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:17,600
between the egress and the the the

2658
01:40:17,600 --> 01:40:22,080
entrance and the exit. Yeah.

2659
01:40:22,080 --> 01:40:23,199
Chrissy.

2660
01:40:23,199 --> 01:40:27,040
>> Okay. Um, yeah, I think I was open to

2661
01:40:27,040 --> 01:40:29,520
the idea, but I did hear enough

2662
01:40:29,520 --> 01:40:31,360
hesitation on moving forward. It

2663
01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:33,360
wouldn't be my first option to put it

2664
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:35,760
this what she called option three. So,

2665
01:40:35,760 --> 01:40:37,600
just move forward with what the study

2666
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:39,760
was asked to do, which was the specific

2667
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:41,760
location. And also with all the

2668
01:40:41,760 --> 01:40:43,840
dispersement information, I feel like we

2669
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:47,600
need to try that first. And if it's if

2670
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:49,679
it's a if it there's other ways we could

2671
01:40:49,679 --> 01:40:52,880
modify that would be second. My primary

2672
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:55,119
um suggestion which I wrote down and

2673
01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:57,040
have been verbalizing

2674
01:40:57,040 --> 01:40:59,360
um is like we need to run up come up

2675
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:02,000
with a plan and I I have a list of

2676
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:03,840
people I feel like would be instrumental

2677
01:41:03,840 --> 01:41:05,760
to that plan. One of them would be

2678
01:41:05,760 --> 01:41:09,119
Charlie. He's been very involved. Um uh

2679
01:41:09,119 --> 01:41:12,239
Jason our engineer. Dan is from Mountain

2680
01:41:12,239 --> 01:41:14,159
the Mountain Bill. And then Janice is

2681
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:16,800
the administrator there. and then a

2682
01:41:16,800 --> 01:41:19,840
parent which I have different options

2683
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:21,840
and they'd sit down and like make the

2684
01:41:21,840 --> 01:41:24,960
exact plan and then that's what we're

2685
01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:27,600
actually voting on in two weeks. Like I

2686
01:41:27,600 --> 01:41:29,199
don't think we have time to delay and

2687
01:41:29,199 --> 01:41:32,080
talk about bigger picture ideas. we need

2688
01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:33,520
to come up with something so then we can

2689
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,880
run the pilot and um my idea would be to

2690
01:41:36,880 --> 01:41:40,159
have the pilot run and then they would

2691
01:41:40,159 --> 01:41:42,719
like to do a survey of parents and that

2692
01:41:42,719 --> 01:41:45,119
um I've talked to the their PTA or their

2693
01:41:45,119 --> 01:41:48,480
FSO president and she's for that as well

2694
01:41:48,480 --> 01:41:51,119
and then um also I was thinking we need

2695
01:41:51,119 --> 01:41:53,280
a place to give our residents an

2696
01:41:53,280 --> 01:41:54,800
opportunity to give feedback because as

2697
01:41:54,800 --> 01:41:56,480
Jessica's point out they'll see more

2698
01:41:56,480 --> 01:41:58,080
traffic on their streets or they might

2699
01:41:58,080 --> 01:41:59,840
notice [clears throat] things. So to get

2700
01:41:59,840 --> 01:42:01,199
feedback from the residents who are

2701
01:42:01,199 --> 01:42:03,360
impacted and the parents who are

2702
01:42:03,360 --> 01:42:07,760
impacted then we we get that feedback in

2703
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:11,679
time um that we could adopt a like or

2704
01:42:11,679 --> 01:42:14,000
amend and run a second pilot before

2705
01:42:14,000 --> 01:42:16,800
school's out. So to me, I feel like um

2706
01:42:16,800 --> 01:42:19,760
timing is really important and I don't

2707
01:42:19,760 --> 01:42:22,320
have any disagreement or any questions

2708
01:42:22,320 --> 01:42:24,960
about what's like if we just go full

2709
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:26,239
boore and do everything that they've

2710
01:42:26,239 --> 01:42:28,880
recommended and it fixes the problem and

2711
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:30,400
we don't have to run a second pilot and

2712
01:42:30,400 --> 01:42:33,040
we get tons of positive feedback. I'm I

2713
01:42:33,040 --> 01:42:34,800
can also be a positive thinker, not just

2714
01:42:34,800 --> 01:42:37,760
worst case scenario thinker. But uh

2715
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:39,360
anyways, that's what I would like to see

2716
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:41,360
is us be able to move forward with a

2717
01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:43,840
pilot enough time that if we need to

2718
01:42:43,840 --> 01:42:45,600
make adapt adaptation, we have time to

2719
01:42:45,600 --> 01:42:47,199
run a second pilot before school gets

2720
01:42:47,199 --> 01:42:49,760
out. I'm more worried about timing than

2721
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:51,840
these other secondary issues in my

2722
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:52,400
opinion.

2723
01:42:52,400 --> 01:42:53,440
>> So, you [clears throat] want to have the

2724
01:42:53,440 --> 01:42:55,280
pilot before the school year's out.

2725
01:42:55,280 --> 01:42:57,920
>> Oh, definitely. I want two pilots. I

2726
01:42:57,920 --> 01:42:58,880
want time for two.

2727
01:42:58,880 --> 01:43:00,480
>> You're talking about like these months

2728
01:43:00,480 --> 01:43:02,480
and like like now this year school.

2729
01:43:02,480 --> 01:43:04,159
>> Yes. Which I mean, we have to bring it

2730
01:43:04,159 --> 01:43:05,840
to this board. we have to bring it out

2731
01:43:05,840 --> 01:43:07,760
to this council and then we have to

2732
01:43:07,760 --> 01:43:09,600
bring it to the Mountainville council

2733
01:43:09,600 --> 01:43:10,880
and we have to get the message out to

2734
01:43:10,880 --> 01:43:12,480
all the school you know all the the

2735
01:43:12,480 --> 01:43:14,800
parents were running this and you know

2736
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:16,639
coordinate and striping and all I mean

2737
01:43:16,639 --> 01:43:18,719
that's that's like a big job and we have

2738
01:43:18,719 --> 01:43:20,800
a limited time. Do you think that's

2739
01:43:20,800 --> 01:43:22,400
feasible with the 100 South? We'd have

2740
01:43:22,400 --> 01:43:24,400
to grade it and and put the gravel down

2741
01:43:24,400 --> 01:43:26,400
and do all the painting, striping, new

2742
01:43:26,400 --> 01:43:28,800
crosswalk before school gets out in two

2743
01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:29,920
and a half months, two months.

2744
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:31,679
>> Kind of depends on if that's part of the

2745
01:43:31,679 --> 01:43:33,679
pilot. Like this study, I don't think

2746
01:43:33,679 --> 01:43:35,280
talked about that part of it. It's

2747
01:43:35,280 --> 01:43:36,960
something that I mentioned as a

2748
01:43:36,960 --> 01:43:38,800
possibility. There would be some expense

2749
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:40,719
to it. I think the pilot that was

2750
01:43:40,719 --> 01:43:44,320
mentioned in here was uh the cones in

2751
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:46,560
the middle to prohibit from coming out

2752
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:51,600
of the school and like taking 20 or so

2753
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:54,719
it seems like res um parents or whatever

2754
01:43:54,719 --> 01:43:57,119
and having them stage on Red Pine Drive.

2755
01:43:57,119 --> 01:43:58,320
I think that's the pilot,

2756
01:43:58,320 --> 01:44:00,000
>> but it would all be contingent on having

2757
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,239
a second egress on one south.

2758
01:44:02,239 --> 01:44:04,080
>> We we

2759
01:44:04,080 --> 01:44:05,679
>> is it contingent on that?

2760
01:44:05,679 --> 01:44:07,920
>> Absolutely. If you restrict left turns

2761
01:44:07,920 --> 01:44:09,840
and only have one It's just it's going

2762
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:11,520
to be chaos. I think

2763
01:44:11,520 --> 01:44:13,199
>> that's Yeah, that's what I would caution

2764
01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:16,000
is if you're going to pilot the uh left

2765
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:17,840
turn restriction, you likely will need

2766
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:20,320
the north egress first. Otherwise, the

2767
01:44:20,320 --> 01:44:22,560
perception of how that restriction is

2768
01:44:22,560 --> 01:44:24,480
working will be much more negative.

2769
01:44:24,480 --> 01:44:24,960
>> Okay.

2770
01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:26,880
>> I think we really need to push this and

2771
01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:28,400
but I just don't know if it's feasible

2772
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:30,880
to do it before school's out and to try

2773
01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:32,400
and do that in the last little bit last

2774
01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:33,440
couple weeks of school.

2775
01:44:33,440 --> 01:44:35,280
>> School has to remove their concrete wall

2776
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:37,040
and then we have to put in temporary

2777
01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:39,440
like gravel or something. and grade that

2778
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:41,119
property. So, a temporary drive.

2779
01:44:41,119 --> 01:44:42,560
>> I'm not worried about the physical work.

2780
01:44:42,560 --> 01:44:44,000
I'm worried about

2781
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:45,760
>> we move pretty slow around here. It's a

2782
01:44:45,760 --> 01:44:47,440
great idea as a council and

2783
01:44:47,440 --> 01:44:49,119
Mountainville like all buying into it.

2784
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:51,199
Like getting people to move is a lot

2785
01:44:51,199 --> 01:44:52,960
harder than getting equipment on site.

2786
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:54,480
>> I think we can move as a council very

2787
01:44:54,480 --> 01:44:56,080
quickly. I'm I'm ready to move. This has

2788
01:44:56,080 --> 01:44:57,520
been far too long, but I think we should

2789
01:44:57,520 --> 01:45:00,080
move quickly on this. Make our decision.

2790
01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:01,520
Get all our ducks in a row. Work with

2791
01:45:01,520 --> 01:45:03,360
Mountainville Academy and get it ready

2792
01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,280
to start at the school year. Communicate

2793
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:06,560
really well with the parents what the

2794
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:08,000
plan is. You'll have a lot of new

2795
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:10,960
parents at that point, too. And then the

2796
01:45:10,960 --> 01:45:12,400
nice thing about this is none of it's

2797
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:13,199
permanent.

2798
01:45:13,199 --> 01:45:14,320
>> You know, if we sell the lot to

2799
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:16,320
Mountainville Academy, that's permanent

2800
01:45:16,320 --> 01:45:18,800
with, you know, that second egress. But

2801
01:45:18,800 --> 01:45:20,239
the other things we can change. We can

2802
01:45:20,239 --> 01:45:21,119
always add a

2803
01:45:21,119 --> 01:45:23,360
>> I think we could I think we could try to

2804
01:45:23,360 --> 01:45:25,040
do it right before school gets out and

2805
01:45:25,040 --> 01:45:28,000
try to go for that goal if um you know,

2806
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:30,000
we don't it's not a heavy snow year. We

2807
01:45:30,000 --> 01:45:32,960
do have some public works guys. Um this

2808
01:45:32,960 --> 01:45:34,239
could be a project that they could work

2809
01:45:34,239 --> 01:45:36,400
on as a pilot. you know, and see if it

2810
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:39,280
even works. It might not or it might.

2811
01:45:39,280 --> 01:45:40,639
You know, we might as well try it and

2812
01:45:40,639 --> 01:45:43,440
see how that works. And then parents um

2813
01:45:43,440 --> 01:45:44,880
can kind of get an idea of what it's

2814
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:46,320
going to look like the following year.

2815
01:45:46,320 --> 01:45:49,440
And it won't be brand new with the start

2816
01:45:49,440 --> 01:45:51,040
of a new school year. It'll be some, you

2817
01:45:51,040 --> 01:45:52,159
know, this is a routine that they've

2818
01:45:52,159 --> 01:45:53,360
already gone through. It's just tweaked

2819
01:45:53,360 --> 01:45:56,080
a little bit. And um try to go through

2820
01:45:56,080 --> 01:45:56,639
that.

2821
01:45:56,639 --> 01:45:59,600
>> I I do think um having time for feedback

2822
01:45:59,600 --> 01:46:04,239
and tweaking is always optimal. And so

2823
01:46:04,239 --> 01:46:07,040
like part of it is Mountainville meets

2824
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:08,880
um March I'm going to pull up my

2825
01:46:08,880 --> 01:46:12,480
calendar. March so we we will meet again

2826
01:46:12,480 --> 01:46:14,400
in two weeks which is March um

2827
01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:15,280
>> 28th

2828
01:46:15,280 --> 01:46:15,760
>> 24th

2829
01:46:15,760 --> 01:46:17,280
>> no 24th sorry

2830
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:20,719
>> classes um March but they meet March

2831
01:46:20,719 --> 01:46:22,560
20th. Is that correct Dan?

2832
01:46:22,560 --> 01:46:24,800
>> 27th or is it the Thursday right after

2833
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:25,199
that?

2834
01:46:25,199 --> 01:46:27,119
>> Is it the fourth or the third Thursday

2835
01:46:27,119 --> 01:46:29,119
>> this month?

2836
01:46:29,119 --> 01:46:31,760
>> Okay. Well, and so I would like to have

2837
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:33,840
like a black and white written up plan

2838
01:46:33,840 --> 01:46:36,159
that we plan to do with a lot of talking

2839
01:46:36,159 --> 01:46:38,719
before so that everybody's sort of on

2840
01:46:38,719 --> 01:46:42,239
the same page and it's um so that we can

2841
01:46:42,239 --> 01:46:46,560
get both approval on the 24th and the 20

2842
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:48,880
sorry this this doesn't tell dates.

2843
01:46:48,880 --> 01:46:50,560
Okay, the 24th and they meet on a

2844
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:52,560
Thursday the 26th. Is that what you're

2845
01:46:52,560 --> 01:46:55,440
telling me, Dan? Okay. So, the 24th and

2846
01:46:55,440 --> 01:46:58,880
the 26th and that would allow us the

2847
01:46:58,880 --> 01:47:01,119
entire month of May to get the pilot in

2848
01:47:01,119 --> 01:47:03,040
place and going.

2849
01:47:03,040 --> 01:47:04,960
>> Well, and with that said, I think, you

2850
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:06,639
know, collaboration was the key word

2851
01:47:06,639 --> 01:47:10,400
that Michael used before we vote on a

2852
01:47:10,400 --> 01:47:13,760
pilot, shouldn't we get Mountainville's

2853
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:15,840
input at least where the crosswalk

2854
01:47:15,840 --> 01:47:17,840
should go or where their preference is

2855
01:47:17,840 --> 01:47:21,199
that the crosswalk should go? because if

2856
01:47:21,199 --> 01:47:24,000
you know I do think it would be worth um

2857
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:26,080
modeling that

2858
01:47:26,080 --> 01:47:29,040
for the benefit of maybe their goal of

2859
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:31,920
onscampus pickup like we haven't talked

2860
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:34,159
to them on what are their goals and what

2861
01:47:34,159 --> 01:47:39,360
do they want to accomplish so should we include that in what we're

2862
01:47:39,360 --> 01:47:40,960
looking at to pilot

2863
01:47:40,960 --> 01:47:42,800
>> yeah I think that when we vote on the

2864
01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:46,480
24th we would have it pinned down

2865
01:47:46,480 --> 01:47:48,480
>> and I thought Dan mentioned in his

2866
01:47:48,480 --> 01:47:49,920
comments about where they thought it

2867
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:52,000
should be. Did Did you

2868
01:47:52,000 --> 01:47:54,960
>> Yeah.

2869
01:47:54,960 --> 01:47:55,679
>> Okay.

2870
01:47:55,679 --> 01:47:57,360
>> So, I'm more worried about the timeline

2871
01:47:57,360 --> 01:47:59,040
and whether we started on the north or

2872
01:47:59,040 --> 01:48:01,280
the center like that's not as important

2873
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:03,440
to me as we try it once.

2874
01:48:03,440 --> 01:48:05,280
>> Try something in April and then modify

2875
01:48:05,280 --> 01:48:07,679
it in in May if we need to because it

2876
01:48:07,679 --> 01:48:08,880
didn't work very well.

2877
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:10,320
>> I think we should go with the

2878
01:48:10,320 --> 01:48:12,239
recommendation and then see how that

2879
01:48:12,239 --> 01:48:14,400
works and then get feedback and if it

2880
01:48:14,400 --> 01:48:15,520
doesn't, you know, we could try to

2881
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:18,000
modify it. But what is your thought?

2882
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:19,520
That's That's good. I like the pace

2883
01:48:19,520 --> 01:48:21,199
you're all moving at. I like that.

2884
01:48:21,199 --> 01:48:22,719
That's faster. I was hoping for summer

2885
01:48:22,719 --> 01:48:24,000
and so the fact that you guys are that

2886
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:26,719
early, I like it. I I'm for all of these

2887
01:48:26,719 --> 01:48:29,360
as really good fixes. I like that they

2888
01:48:29,360 --> 01:48:32,159
overlap. I think this will work. Um this

2889
01:48:32,159 --> 01:48:34,080
leave this final recommendation leaves

2890
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,400
out two and several other small ones,

2891
01:48:36,400 --> 01:48:38,639
but that's fine. So, so I'm for all of

2892
01:48:38,639 --> 01:48:41,920
these as a great diffuser model with the

2893
01:48:41,920 --> 01:48:44,000
hope that if there is still frustration

2894
01:48:44,000 --> 01:48:48,800
in a year, they allow us to get buses.

2895
01:48:48,800 --> 01:48:50,960
>> So, what do you mean by allow you to get

2896
01:48:50,960 --> 01:48:52,320
buses? Like, you're willing.

2897
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:53,760
>> No, there's not. That's just me talking.

2898
01:48:53,760 --> 01:48:56,080
I know that's not an official deal. I'm

2899
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:57,760
just saying we're going to do this and

2900
01:48:57,760 --> 01:48:58,800
this is going to work,

2901
01:48:58,800 --> 01:48:59,199
>> okay?

2902
01:48:59,199 --> 01:49:01,760
>> But as a last resort, please meet me

2903
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:03,840
there if it doesn't work. That's all I'm

2904
01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:04,159
saying.

2905
01:49:04,159 --> 01:49:05,679
>> He's just a worst case scenario. That's

2906
01:49:05,679 --> 01:49:07,119
not a word. That's a hope to get it

2907
01:49:07,119 --> 01:49:07,520
fixed.

2908
01:49:07,520 --> 01:49:10,080
>> Brent, what is your course of action to

2909
01:49:10,080 --> 01:49:12,000
kind of

2910
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:14,000
give guidance to staff?

2911
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:16,639
>> Yes, I like the idea of try of of moving

2912
01:49:16,639 --> 01:49:18,800
forward with the recommendations and I'm

2913
01:49:18,800 --> 01:49:21,040
glad it doesn't preclude other options

2914
01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:22,560
in the future if we decide that this

2915
01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:24,639
isn't working the way we intended. I

2916
01:49:24,639 --> 01:49:27,199
would suggest allowing staging or

2917
01:49:27,199 --> 01:49:31,840
queuing on 120 South on the west side

2918
01:49:31,840 --> 01:49:34,080
just primarily because you'll have

2919
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:35,600
parents who are going to Timberline

2920
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:37,520
afterwards or or what for whatever

2921
01:49:37,520 --> 01:49:39,440
reason and it disperses a little bit

2922
01:49:39,440 --> 01:49:42,000
more than pushing everything east by

2923
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:43,840
allowing some parents to have some

2924
01:49:43,840 --> 01:49:46,159
options to go west. that might alleviate

2925
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:49,840
some of the issues with Red Pine and

2926
01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:53,440
those who live east of Main Street on

2927
01:49:53,440 --> 01:49:54,320
120 South.

2928
01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:56,000
>> Okay. Thank you, Jessica.

2929
01:49:56,000 --> 01:49:59,119
>> And then you had said that Mountain Bill

2930
01:49:59,119 --> 01:50:02,400
did express like this center works for

2931
01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:04,080
them or would they like to see other

2932
01:50:04,080 --> 01:50:07,119
options or what what's the position if

2933
01:50:07,119 --> 01:50:10,639
we're making motion in this direction? I

2934
01:50:10,639 --> 01:50:14,080
would say the preference would be to

2935
01:50:14,080 --> 01:50:15,840
>> you need to come up to the mic, Dan. We

2936
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:18,560
can't hear.

2937
01:50:18,560 --> 01:50:19,920
>> I always say my comments will be shorter

2938
01:50:19,920 --> 01:50:21,440
than there. Okay. I would say our

2939
01:50:21,440 --> 01:50:24,719
preference would be to maximize do, you

2940
01:50:24,719 --> 01:50:26,719
know, obviously whatever's safest for

2941
01:50:26,719 --> 01:50:28,400
the kids. And then if we're talking

2942
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:30,639
efficiency improvements, whatever would

2943
01:50:30,639 --> 01:50:33,280
maximize the egress or exit flow rate

2944
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:34,800
southbound onto Main Street would be

2945
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:37,199
preferential for our parents given the

2946
01:50:37,199 --> 01:50:38,639
twothirds are trying to go that way.

2947
01:50:38,639 --> 01:50:41,199
Okay, that would be the quickest. So, if

2948
01:50:41,199 --> 01:50:43,360
the placement of the crosswalk just to

2949
01:50:43,360 --> 01:50:45,280
the north enables that without too many

2950
01:50:45,280 --> 01:50:46,639
other drawbacks, that would be our

2951
01:50:46,639 --> 01:50:49,199
preference. If that doesn't pencil, then

2952
01:50:49,199 --> 01:50:50,800
we're still supportive of moving it

2953
01:50:50,800 --> 01:50:54,159
south as outlined in the traffic study.

2954
01:50:54,159 --> 01:50:56,080
So, hopefully that's clear. Well, and

2955
01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:58,320
it's my understanding that we currently

2956
01:50:58,320 --> 01:51:04,239
have two trained crossing guards that support the school so that we could

2957
01:51:04,239 --> 01:51:08,159
just move them to that location if need

2958
01:51:08,159 --> 01:51:08,960
be.

2959
01:51:08,960 --> 01:51:11,360
>> So, I'm hearing that four of the council

2960
01:51:11,360 --> 01:51:14,560
people want to proceed with what is

2961
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:16,719
>> Well, I didn't outline my specifics

2962
01:51:16,719 --> 01:51:19,840
because I was moved on too quick. It's

2963
01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:23,199
okay. Uh I am for either. I don't care

2964
01:51:23,199 --> 01:51:24,960
where it goes. I think it could go

2965
01:51:24,960 --> 01:51:26,800
either. If y'all like what Jessica's

2966
01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:28,560
proposing, I say put it there.

2967
01:51:28,560 --> 01:51:30,239
>> I'm not proposing it. It's what the

2968
01:51:30,239 --> 01:51:31,119
school again,

2969
01:51:31,119 --> 01:51:33,440
>> I apologize. The sense of collaboration.

2970
01:51:33,440 --> 01:51:35,440
>> No, you did. No, you're proposing it. It

2971
01:51:35,440 --> 01:51:36,960
doesn't matter. There's three options,

2972
01:51:36,960 --> 01:51:37,280
right?

2973
01:51:37,280 --> 01:51:39,199
>> Right. I'm for either place of that

2974
01:51:39,199 --> 01:51:40,880
location, but having one there. I mean,

2975
01:51:40,880 --> 01:51:43,440
it's a difference of 12 feet. So either

2976
01:51:43,440 --> 01:51:44,000
way,

2977
01:51:44,000 --> 01:51:46,000
>> but it's a huge difference. And

2978
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:48,080
>> I But but I I like either. So I'd be in

2979
01:51:48,080 --> 01:51:49,199
support of either. So I'm in support of

2980
01:51:49,199 --> 01:51:49,440
both.

2981
01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:50,719
>> Okay. So you're in support of either

2982
01:51:50,719 --> 01:51:51,920
>> but the other things are there

2983
01:51:51,920 --> 01:51:52,719
>> two for the

2984
01:51:52,719 --> 01:51:54,000
>> Right. Right. But but just because

2985
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:56,560
you're nailing us down, this doesn't

2986
01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:58,159
include all of the tiny things, the

2987
01:51:58,159 --> 01:51:59,440
painting, the red curves, the zebra

2988
01:51:59,440 --> 01:52:01,119
stripes, the the several the speed

2989
01:52:01,119 --> 01:52:01,440
limit,

2990
01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:04,560
>> right? No, this is justeneral, but but I

2991
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:06,159
am supportive of this, but I would like

2992
01:52:06,159 --> 01:52:07,920
those other things that it recommends as

2993
01:52:07,920 --> 01:52:08,960
well. And

2994
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:10,560
>> that can go into motion, but this is

2995
01:52:10,560 --> 01:52:11,360
just a discussion

2996
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:12,800
>> and good for both. But just to get you

2997
01:52:12,800 --> 01:52:14,159
where I'm at, good for both, either

2998
01:52:14,159 --> 01:52:15,840
Jessica's placement or the study's

2999
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:18,960
placement. I mean I oh I my preference

3000
01:52:18,960 --> 01:52:21,119
is that they are able to just go left

3001
01:52:21,119 --> 01:52:23,679
and get out of town but I understand

3002
01:52:23,679 --> 01:52:25,599
that we have this study that says that

3003
01:52:25,599 --> 01:52:28,320
right is probably recommended. So since

3004
01:52:28,320 --> 01:52:30,080
we already have a study stating that

3005
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:31,760
maybe this could be the pilot and then

3006
01:52:31,760 --> 01:52:33,840
if it doesn't work but I'm open to the

3007
01:52:33,840 --> 01:52:36,400
left idea. I actually really like that.

3008
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:38,400
>> Yeah. I think

3009
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:40,480
to me I would suggest that we go with

3010
01:52:40,480 --> 01:52:42,400
the study, the recommendations of the

3011
01:52:42,400 --> 01:52:45,280
study, see how that goes and then you

3012
01:52:45,280 --> 01:52:47,119
know or what you can do is maybe at the

3013
01:52:47,119 --> 01:52:48,639
end of this year we do this and then you

3014
01:52:48,639 --> 01:52:50,560
can move the crosswalk over the summer

3015
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:53,040
and in the fall try the other but either

3016
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:55,599
way but we need to give staff direction

3017
01:52:55,599 --> 01:52:57,360
on one way or another so they can come

3018
01:52:57,360 --> 01:52:59,360
back with the proposal. I guess you can

3019
01:52:59,360 --> 01:53:01,599
come back with both. And you know what?

3020
01:53:01,599 --> 01:53:03,440
Why don't we come back with a proposal

3021
01:53:03,440 --> 01:53:05,679
for either or and then they can vote on

3022
01:53:05,679 --> 01:53:07,119
it when it comes back on the agenda?

3023
01:53:07,119 --> 01:53:09,760
>> I I think that the committee could come

3024
01:53:09,760 --> 01:53:11,599
up with a consensus because they're

3025
01:53:11,599 --> 01:53:13,119
weighing,

3026
01:53:13,119 --> 01:53:14,800
>> right? But ultimately it's going to be

3027
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:16,159
the council that's going to vote on it,

3028
01:53:16,159 --> 01:53:18,159
right? I think the committee can give a

3029
01:53:18,159 --> 01:53:20,000
recommendation

3030
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:22,159
um and then it'll be ultimately up to

3031
01:53:22,159 --> 01:53:24,320
the council. I just want to point out we

3032
01:53:24,320 --> 01:53:26,719
can keep talking about the the alternate

3033
01:53:26,719 --> 01:53:30,719
but putting restricting left turns was

3034
01:53:30,719 --> 01:53:32,639
three other studies. So this is the

3035
01:53:32,639 --> 01:53:34,080
first time we've heard it

3036
01:53:34,080 --> 01:53:35,360
>> and it doesn't mean it's the right

3037
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:36,719
solution. It's just three times

3038
01:53:36,719 --> 01:53:37,840
>> but I think that was based on

3039
01:53:37,840 --> 01:53:40,239
assumptions given. I think it was

3040
01:53:40,239 --> 01:53:44,320
direction given of study this with no

3041
01:53:44,320 --> 01:53:46,159
left-hand turns. So you have to

3042
01:53:46,159 --> 01:53:48,800
understand how studies are conducted in

3043
01:53:48,800 --> 01:53:51,760
>> that assumption was not given when the

3044
01:53:51,760 --> 01:53:54,960
original Horoc study said we you know we

3045
01:53:54,960 --> 01:53:57,040
have this issue please come up with a

3046
01:53:57,040 --> 01:54:00,239
solution and I feel like you're I think

3047
01:54:00,239 --> 01:54:02,480
you could be right in that based on that

3048
01:54:02,480 --> 01:54:04,239
original study they kind of went off of

3049
01:54:04,239 --> 01:54:06,800
that that's what they studied but our

3050
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:08,960
ask of fair and pierce was look at it

3051
01:54:08,960 --> 01:54:10,880
with fresh eyes that's why we didn't go

3052
01:54:10,880 --> 01:54:13,599
to Horox we didn't go to

3053
01:54:13,599 --> 01:54:14,719
>> what was its

3054
01:54:14,719 --> 01:54:15,520
>> hills

3055
01:54:15,520 --> 01:54:17,280
We didn't go to the same one. We wanted

3056
01:54:17,280 --> 01:54:18,960
a fresh set of eyes.

3057
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:21,040
>> And the current Hails report that

3058
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:22,800
Mountainville Academy

3059
01:54:22,800 --> 01:54:25,440
>> commissioned, they wanted they suggested

3060
01:54:25,440 --> 01:54:27,599
a a raised median permanently

3061
01:54:27,599 --> 01:54:30,560
prohibiting left turns.

3062
01:54:30,560 --> 01:54:33,520
>> There were very that was their their p

3063
01:54:33,520 --> 01:54:34,960
>> there were just very subtle differences

3064
01:54:34,960 --> 01:54:36,480
between the results and that was one of

3065
01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:36,800
them.

3066
01:54:36,800 --> 01:54:38,639
>> They have all said no restricted.

3067
01:54:38,639 --> 01:54:41,440
>> Yes. I I will say with this one, if we

3068
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:43,679
follow this, it will kind of give us a

3069
01:54:43,679 --> 01:54:45,679
better idea of traffic at ridge and

3070
01:54:45,679 --> 01:54:48,159
maybe help us give some insight as to

3071
01:54:48,159 --> 01:54:50,400
roundabout, that sort of thing as well.

3072
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:51,920
So, this could be beneficial in more

3073
01:54:51,920 --> 01:54:52,800
ways than one.

3074
01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:54,239
>> Yeah. And also, we just want to make

3075
01:54:54,239 --> 01:54:55,599
sure that when we do the pilot that we

3076
01:54:55,599 --> 01:54:59,599
restrict the staging north of

3077
01:54:59,599 --> 01:55:02,080
100 south. So, all those signs would

3078
01:55:02,080 --> 01:55:04,480
have to be put up and enforcement ready.

3079
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:06,719
Right.

3080
01:55:06,719 --> 01:55:08,239
>> Okay.

3081
01:55:08,239 --> 01:55:10,800
So I think we've got um direction. Let's

3082
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:12,960
move on to item B which is financial

3083
01:55:12,960 --> 01:55:16,149
reports.

3084
01:55:16,159 --> 01:55:18,159
» Yes. Oh, thank you so much.

3085
01:55:18,159 --> 01:55:21,360
>> Thank your whole team.

3086
01:55:21,360 --> 01:55:25,119
>> Thank you all. Appreciate your time.

3087
01:55:25,119 --> 01:55:27,520
>> Okay, Shane with the financial report.

3088
01:55:27,520 --> 01:55:31,119
>> Okay, for the the financial report, um

3089
01:55:31,119 --> 01:55:32,960
we can take as much or little time on

3090
01:55:32,960 --> 01:55:35,040
this as you want. One highlight I wanted

3091
01:55:35,040 --> 01:55:37,840
to mention and [clears throat] I think I

3092
01:55:37,840 --> 01:55:40,320
mentioned it at the last meeting but the

3093
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:43,199
graphs here now uh the the one year yeah

3094
01:55:43,199 --> 01:55:45,920
that one. So the sales tax uh our

3095
01:55:45,920 --> 01:55:50,320
revenue was up um so year-over-year

3096
01:55:50,320 --> 01:55:52,400
we're like 6.43%

3097
01:55:52,400 --> 01:55:54,080
which is great. It's nice to see the

3098
01:55:54,080 --> 01:55:56,480
line starting to go away from the other

3099
01:55:56,480 --> 01:55:59,040
one instead of be on top of it. Um so

3100
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:02,880
hopefully that will will continue. Um,

3101
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:04,480
there's some things we actually

3102
01:56:04,480 --> 01:56:06,719
originally had planned to have the kind

3103
01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:08,719
of midyear budget adjustment on this

3104
01:56:08,719 --> 01:56:10,880
agenda, but there was another item on

3105
01:56:10,880 --> 01:56:13,199
that ended up getting pulled off late,

3106
01:56:13,199 --> 01:56:15,040
so we had left it off, but we have to

3107
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:16,719
have a public hearing, so we couldn't

3108
01:56:16,719 --> 01:56:20,239
just throw it on. So, but um it's just

3109
01:56:20,239 --> 01:56:23,280
to clean some things up. So, it's it's

3110
01:56:23,280 --> 01:56:25,599
uh just making you aware of why that's

3111
01:56:25,599 --> 01:56:28,960
not on here. Um

3112
01:56:28,960 --> 01:56:31,199
anyway, so we're

3113
01:56:31,199 --> 01:56:34,560
let's see, we're going on 75% through

3114
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:36,800
the the budget here here in another

3115
01:56:36,800 --> 01:56:39,920
couple of weeks and um things are in

3116
01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:42,000
order and

3117
01:56:42,000 --> 01:56:44,159
projects are moving forward. Some are

3118
01:56:44,159 --> 01:56:45,679
complete

3119
01:56:45,679 --> 01:56:49,040
and um I don't see anything that's

3120
01:56:49,040 --> 01:56:52,159
really out of balance point.

3121
01:56:52,159 --> 01:56:53,599
>> Okay, let's start with Sarah. Do you

3122
01:56:53,599 --> 01:56:54,639
have any questions regarding the

3123
01:56:54,639 --> 01:56:57,440
financial report? I do not.

3124
01:56:57,440 --> 01:56:58,000
>> Chissy,

3125
01:56:58,000 --> 01:57:02,000
>> I did have four questions. Um, I Brian

3126
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:03,840
happens to be here again. I think he was

3127
01:57:03,840 --> 01:57:06,400
the one who asked this. Brian, I figured

3128
01:57:06,400 --> 01:57:11,360
out where he got his garbage. He said in the public comments that on this

3129
01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:13,199
first page it says waste collection

3130
01:57:13,199 --> 01:57:16,000
sales of 730. Have you already figured

3131
01:57:16,000 --> 01:57:17,760
this out? You're nodding.

3132
01:57:17,760 --> 01:57:18,880
>> I saw it. Yeah.

3133
01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:20,880
>> Okay. And then here it's the garbage is

3134
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:23,599
758. So, we're operating at a loss. That

3135
01:57:23,599 --> 01:57:25,280
was his question. We don't have to

3136
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:26,639
answer it tonight because we'll get this

3137
01:57:26,639 --> 01:57:28,400
again and we've spent a lot of time on

3138
01:57:28,400 --> 01:57:30,080
other things. If we could have that

3139
01:57:30,080 --> 01:57:31,520
answer next meeting, it

3140
01:57:31,520 --> 01:57:33,760
>> it will actually be a cleanup item on

3141
01:57:33,760 --> 01:57:36,239
the uh Okay. mid year.

3142
01:57:36,239 --> 01:57:39,920
>> So anyways, I I Brian Brian's not the it

3143
01:57:39,920 --> 01:57:42,400
was here before you got here, Brian. So

3144
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:43,679
he just want to point it out and it

3145
01:57:43,679 --> 01:57:44,960
became clear to me and I was looking at

3146
01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:47,199
this report which I really liked. Okay,

3147
01:57:47,199 --> 01:57:50,080
sec that was question one. Question two,

3148
01:57:50,080 --> 01:57:53,760
um, our our class roads, class C roads,

3149
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:56,560
which is the next page, we're at 100% of

3150
01:57:56,560 --> 01:57:59,040
plan already for expenditures. How does

3151
01:57:59,040 --> 01:58:00,320
that work?

3152
01:58:00,320 --> 01:58:02,320
>> So, is this where you are?

3153
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:04,159
>> I my screen isn't working. I'm I'm

3154
01:58:04,159 --> 01:58:06,320
sharing with sharing with Sarah. It It's

3155
01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:09,040
in the um budget report for February

3156
01:58:09,040 --> 01:58:12,000
2026, page four. That would be one, two,

3157
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:12,639
three.

3158
01:58:12,639 --> 01:58:13,760
>> Page 11.

3159
01:58:13,760 --> 01:58:16,000
>> The red and green report is what Shane

3160
01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:18,239
refers it to.

3161
01:58:18,239 --> 01:58:26,070
And it has percentages in the red.

3162
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:31,119
» Yeah. Well, it's Is that Yeah, you're almost to the red and green.

3163
01:58:31,119 --> 01:58:33,840
>> You're asking why we've expanded 100% at

3164
01:58:33,840 --> 01:58:34,800
this point the year.

3165
01:58:34,800 --> 01:58:35,119
>> Yeah,

3166
01:58:35,119 --> 01:58:38,960
>> because we we typically do our projects

3167
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:42,159
in the uh late summer and fall.

3168
01:58:42,159 --> 01:58:44,159
>> Okay. I assume that

3169
01:58:44,159 --> 01:58:46,239
>> some cities do them like in the spring

3170
01:58:46,239 --> 01:58:47,840
of the following year and it can get

3171
01:58:47,840 --> 01:58:50,320
kind of either way can be chaos but we

3172
01:58:50,320 --> 01:58:52,239
typically do it on the front. Okay.

3173
01:58:52,239 --> 01:58:53,280
First half the budget.

3174
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:54,800
>> Yeah. Because our revenues are not in

3175
01:58:54,800 --> 01:58:56,719
the same sequence but it'll play

3176
01:58:56,719 --> 01:59:00,639
catchup. Okay. The next one was on um

3177
01:59:00,639 --> 01:59:04,480
our growth specifically the um because

3178
01:59:04,480 --> 01:59:06,560
our impact fees like we're not having

3179
01:59:06,560 --> 01:59:08,800
the same growth. Are are you at all

3180
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:11,760
concerned because are are all the impact

3181
01:59:11,760 --> 01:59:14,000
fee revenues are really low?

3182
01:59:14,000 --> 01:59:16,159
>> They're they're low because we have I

3183
01:59:16,159 --> 01:59:18,719
think the report I just got we have uh

3184
01:59:18,719 --> 01:59:21,280
16 new homes now. I can't remember if

3185
01:59:21,280 --> 01:59:22,719
that was a budget year or county. I

3186
01:59:22,719 --> 01:59:26,639
think it was a budget year. So we look

3187
01:59:26,639 --> 01:59:29,360
for about 30 or plan for about 30.

3188
01:59:29,360 --> 01:59:31,520
>> So we are below our projection. It's

3189
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:33,679
real. It's not a timing issue. But

3190
01:59:33,679 --> 01:59:36,560
they're I mean they're funds that are

3191
01:59:36,560 --> 01:59:40,560
only spent on related projects. So it's

3192
01:59:40,560 --> 01:59:42,719
>> okay. But I just wondered if we're if

3193
01:59:42,719 --> 01:59:45,040
that is a timing issue or we're just

3194
01:59:45,040 --> 01:59:46,239
below our projection.

3195
01:59:46,239 --> 01:59:47,440
>> It's just a timing issue.

3196
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:49,360
>> Oh, maybe by the by the end of June

3197
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:52,080
we'll have the the remaining. Okay. This

3198
01:59:52,080 --> 01:59:54,560
is my last question then. Um on the

3199
01:59:54,560 --> 01:59:56,239
water, we've spent so much time talking

3200
01:59:56,239 --> 01:59:58,480
about water in these last few meetings.

3201
01:59:58,480 --> 02:00:03,599
The water fund. I noticed that. Um,

3202
02:00:03,599 --> 02:00:05,440
do you have that up there? Sorry.

3203
02:00:05,440 --> 02:00:06,159
>> Yeah, I do.

3204
02:00:06,159 --> 02:00:07,199
>> No. No. Heidi,

3205
02:00:07,199 --> 02:00:08,719
>> are you on the red green report?

3206
02:00:08,719 --> 02:00:11,360
>> I'm on red green report. It says water

3207
02:00:11,360 --> 02:00:17,189
utility.

3208
02:00:17,199 --> 02:00:19,840
» No, keep going down.

3209
02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:22,080
>> Right there. No, keep going.

3210
02:00:22,080 --> 02:00:23,760
>> Oh, sorry.

3211
02:00:23,760 --> 02:00:26,800
>> Down. Down. Down.

3212
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:29,199
>> Okay, keep going.

3213
02:00:29,199 --> 02:00:30,719
Really?

3214
02:00:30,719 --> 02:00:34,310
>> Yeah.

3215
02:00:34,320 --> 02:00:37,119
» You're getting into it there. Yeah.

3216
02:00:37,119 --> 02:00:40,480
>> Okay. You're probably

3217
02:00:40,480 --> 02:00:42,560
>> click on one of those pages and we'll

3218
02:00:42,560 --> 02:00:43,440
>> Nope. Keep going.

3219
02:00:43,440 --> 02:00:46,400
>> Oh, you are. You do need to go further.

3220
02:00:46,400 --> 02:00:47,599
>> Okay. Now you're getting into

3221
02:00:47,599 --> 02:00:49,840
>> Yeah. With all these heavy lines across

3222
02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:51,040
it.

3223
02:00:51,040 --> 02:00:52,960
>> Okay. We just talked about close C class

3224
02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:54,880
C how it was 100%. You go to the next

3225
02:00:54,880 --> 02:00:56,400
page.

3226
02:00:56,400 --> 02:00:58,239
Keep going.

3227
02:00:58,239 --> 02:01:00,320
Um, impact fees are low, which we talked

3228
02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:02,480
about. Not a big deal. There we go. No,

3229
02:01:02,480 --> 02:01:04,239
it's it's water.

3230
02:01:04,239 --> 02:01:04,960
>> Water.

3231
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:07,599
is after capital projects.

3232
02:01:07,599 --> 02:01:10,560
>> Okay. Sorry. Sorry. Um, so I didn't

3233
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:12,880
realize that we um when we use an

3234
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:14,159
appropriate we're going to be talking

3235
02:01:14,159 --> 02:01:16,880
about fund balances in the near future.

3236
02:01:16,880 --> 02:01:19,360
Um and so when we've planned for the

3237
02:01:19,360 --> 02:01:21,440
appropriated fund balance here out of

3238
02:01:21,440 --> 02:01:24,400
the water utility and you can see down

3239
02:01:24,400 --> 02:01:26,480
here at the very bottom um cash balance

3240
02:01:26,480 --> 02:01:28,480
at the beginning appropriated fund

3241
02:01:28,480 --> 02:01:31,360
balance. So we're you of the 3.9 million

3242
02:01:31,360 --> 02:01:33,599
we started with we're going to use half

3243
02:01:33,599 --> 02:01:35,760
a million to bring it down to 3.3

3244
02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:38,800
million. Um is that or do we have any

3245
02:01:38,800 --> 02:01:41,360
type of restriction on that's for like

3246
02:01:41,360 --> 02:01:44,400
not restriction or how do I want to say

3247
02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:46,639
this methodology maybe where those are

3248
02:01:46,639 --> 02:01:50,000
for capital improvements only and never

3249
02:01:50,000 --> 02:01:51,840
for operations or

3250
02:01:51,840 --> 02:01:53,679
>> that's how you that's how you plan for

3251
02:01:53,679 --> 02:01:56,639
that okay all right I just this this

3252
02:01:56,639 --> 02:01:58,480
one's easier to follow than some of the

3253
02:01:58,480 --> 02:02:01,040
other ones we look at and and that same

3254
02:02:01,040 --> 02:02:04,880
thing happens again in the sewer and the

3255
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:06,639
PI fund is the same thing where we're

3256
02:02:06,639 --> 02:02:11,040
using fund balance. Okay. And so that even though it's not detailed in

3257
02:02:11,040 --> 02:02:12,960
this report, that is the methodology you

3258
02:02:12,960 --> 02:02:13,599
use. Yes.

3259
02:02:13,599 --> 02:02:15,679
>> Okay. I tried to talk quickly. That's

3260
02:02:15,679 --> 02:02:16,400
it.

3261
02:02:16,400 --> 02:02:17,760
>> Thank you, Shane.

3262
02:02:17,760 --> 02:02:19,119
>> Yep.

3263
02:02:19,119 --> 02:02:22,560
>> Shane, I just have two quick ones. Um

3264
02:02:22,560 --> 02:02:26,239
the numbers are the same on page uh 229

3265
02:02:26,239 --> 02:02:29,520
as they are in these others roughly. I

3266
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:31,520
think you're

3267
02:02:31,520 --> 02:02:33,520
>> you don't have Yeah, you sure you can.

3268
02:02:33,520 --> 02:02:35,520
Our biggest expenses coming up are the

3269
02:02:35,520 --> 02:02:37,199
fire department and water. Is that

3270
02:02:37,199 --> 02:02:39,760
correct?

3271
02:02:39,760 --> 02:02:40,960
>> Sales tax revenue.

3272
02:02:40,960 --> 02:02:42,880
>> No expenses.

3273
02:02:42,880 --> 02:02:44,880
Those our biggest expenses that were

3274
02:02:44,880 --> 02:02:47,760
>> two of the biggest I guess streets is

3275
02:02:47,760 --> 02:02:50,880
you know around a million for projects.

3276
02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:52,800
>> But isn't fire department we're looking

3277
02:02:52,800 --> 02:02:55,199
at three to five million? Isn't that the

3278
02:02:55,199 --> 02:02:55,679
range

3279
02:02:55,679 --> 02:02:56,800
>> year or for the total?

3280
02:02:56,800 --> 02:02:59,040
>> No, just budgeting out of this budget.

3281
02:02:59,040 --> 02:03:00,400
>> I'm talking really big picture. We

3282
02:03:00,400 --> 02:03:02,080
budgeted three million out of this

3283
02:03:02,080 --> 02:03:04,080
budget year for the fire station

3284
02:03:04,080 --> 02:03:04,880
project,

3285
02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:05,280
>> right?

3286
02:03:05,280 --> 02:03:07,679
>> And then there it will actually cross

3287
02:03:07,679 --> 02:03:09,679
three budget years.

3288
02:03:09,679 --> 02:03:10,239
>> Wow.

3289
02:03:10,239 --> 02:03:11,360
>> And

3290
02:03:11,360 --> 02:03:13,840
>> okay. And then the water.

3291
02:03:13,840 --> 02:03:16,480
So just help me understand what funds

3292
02:03:16,480 --> 02:03:19,360
we're taking, for example, the wells

3293
02:03:19,360 --> 02:03:20,960
that we and I emailed you, but it's

3294
02:03:20,960 --> 02:03:24,159
okay. The wells from that we did today

3295
02:03:24,159 --> 02:03:28,000
and then which funds the uh barge

3296
02:03:28,000 --> 02:03:30,480
station comes from. And then how and

3297
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:32,320
then I can find out from that what we're

3298
02:03:32,320 --> 02:03:34,400
looking at how much we have left over.

3299
02:03:34,400 --> 02:03:36,400
>> So the well project that was approved as

3300
02:03:36,400 --> 02:03:38,320
part of the kinsan calendar would come

3301
02:03:38,320 --> 02:03:40,719
out of the 55 fund which is pressurized

3302
02:03:40,719 --> 02:03:42,159
irrigation.

3303
02:03:42,159 --> 02:03:43,040
>> Okay.

3304
02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:47,199
>> Yeah. The fire station um the current

3305
02:03:47,199 --> 02:03:49,760
budget has funds coming from two

3306
02:03:49,760 --> 02:03:51,920
different funds. Um some from the

3307
02:03:51,920 --> 02:03:54,960
general fund and some from the capital

3308
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:56,719
improvement fund.

3309
02:03:56,719 --> 02:03:59,040
Sorry, she must be looking at page 29 in

3310
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:00,880
the report. I was just talking about 29

3311
02:04:00,880 --> 02:04:06,639
in the um 229 in the uh actual

3312
02:04:06,639 --> 02:04:09,199
uh city council packet.

3313
02:04:09,199 --> 02:04:11,920
>> Sorry. Would you mind saying that once?

3314
02:04:11,920 --> 02:04:13,440
>> Yeah. Would you mind saying that once

3315
02:04:13,440 --> 02:04:15,360
more, Shane? That's why it was confusing

3316
02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:17,040
to people that that she went on a

3317
02:04:17,040 --> 02:04:18,960
different page.

3318
02:04:18,960 --> 02:04:22,400
>> So, the um the pro the well project

3319
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:24,239
that's coming out of fund 55.

3320
02:04:24,239 --> 02:04:25,679
>> Oh, right. I got that. the fire

3321
02:04:25,679 --> 02:04:26,800
>> project. So that's pressurized

3322
02:04:26,800 --> 02:04:29,520
irrigation. The fire station project is

3323
02:04:29,520 --> 02:04:31,599
coming out of for this budget year two

3324
02:04:31,599 --> 02:04:33,440
different funds. Um part from the

3325
02:04:33,440 --> 02:04:35,280
general fund and part from the capital

3326
02:04:35,280 --> 02:04:36,480
improvement fund.

3327
02:04:36,480 --> 02:04:38,880
>> Okay. And then this one is for later. I

3328
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:41,599
emailed asking if I could just see what

3329
02:04:41,599 --> 02:04:45,920
or or understand what it's hard to make

3330
02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:47,920
financial decisions when I don't know

3331
02:04:47,920 --> 02:04:51,040
how much we have to work with and where

3332
02:04:51,040 --> 02:04:54,400
we're hitting red lines. And then um if

3333
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:55,679
you don't know how much you have to work

3334
02:04:55,679 --> 02:04:58,159
with, you don't know how much you you

3335
02:04:58,159 --> 02:04:59,760
don't know how much is a is a small

3336
02:04:59,760 --> 02:05:01,679
amount or a large amount for something.

3337
02:05:01,679 --> 02:05:03,679
Does that make sense? And then I'm still

3338
02:05:03,679 --> 02:05:05,040
confused at where we're pulling money

3339
02:05:05,040 --> 02:05:06,560
from and where we can't pull up money

3340
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:07,679
from. So anyways, that's a longer

3341
02:05:07,679 --> 02:05:09,280
discussion. I can have it later. And

3342
02:05:09,280 --> 02:05:10,960
>> yeah, in those times that we have where

3343
02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:12,800
Shane [clears throat] has availability,

3344
02:05:12,800 --> 02:05:14,239
make an appointment,

3345
02:05:14,239 --> 02:05:15,760
>> but that will help us to know when

3346
02:05:15,760 --> 02:05:20,639
114,000 is a lot for the PI system or is it not? And then I read through our

3347
02:05:20,639 --> 02:05:23,119
PI system and I find the $175 million

3348
02:05:23,119 --> 02:05:25,280
amounts for the complete and the 16

3349
02:05:25,280 --> 02:05:27,440
million and the 15 million for for their

3350
02:05:27,440 --> 02:05:29,679
recommendations and I have nothing to

3351
02:05:29,679 --> 02:05:33,360
gauge it off of. So anyways, that's that understanding will help. Uh so

3352
02:05:33,360 --> 02:05:34,960
thank you.

3353
02:05:34,960 --> 02:05:36,719
>> I was going to say in council comments,

3354
02:05:36,719 --> 02:05:38,400
but I'll just say it now that we're

3355
02:05:38,400 --> 02:05:40,639
meeting as a finance committee on the um

3356
02:05:40,639 --> 02:05:41,119
20

3357
02:05:41,119 --> 02:05:41,920
>> Oh, thank you.

3358
02:05:41,920 --> 02:05:45,360
>> on the 26th

3359
02:05:45,360 --> 02:05:48,239
to 26th of March, same day as

3360
02:05:48,239 --> 02:05:50,880
Mountainville. Anyways, and if you have

3361
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:52,560
questions, you can send me um we're

3362
02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:54,400
going to have topic discussions. I

3363
02:05:54,400 --> 02:05:56,400
already have like an agenda, but one of

3364
02:05:56,400 --> 02:05:58,560
the agenda items is answering answering

3365
02:05:58,560 --> 02:06:01,040
council questions. It's at 8:00 in the

3366
02:06:01,040 --> 02:06:03,199
morning um right here in this room. It

3367
02:06:03,199 --> 02:06:05,679
is advertised. And so, if you have

3368
02:06:05,679 --> 02:06:06,960
questions, you can send me. We're

3369
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:10,880
forwarding those on to uh our uh auditor

3370
02:06:10,880 --> 02:06:13,199
who's coming and presenting to us. And

3371
02:06:13,199 --> 02:06:15,440
that is exactly the questions like how

3372
02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:18,400
to be how to use our financials in the

3373
02:06:18,400 --> 02:06:20,960
way we want to use them and that's one

3374
02:06:20,960 --> 02:06:22,719
of the topics we're going to be talking

3375
02:06:22,719 --> 02:06:23,360
about. So

3376
02:06:23,360 --> 02:06:24,239
>> I'll send those

3377
02:06:24,239 --> 02:06:25,840
>> Shane is our best resource in

3378
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:27,440
understanding our budget but

3379
02:06:27,440 --> 02:06:28,960
understanding maybe the bigger picture

3380
02:06:28,960 --> 02:06:30,560
like

3381
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:32,079
>> I'm in DC at that time but I'll send

3382
02:06:32,079 --> 02:06:33,679
them because because that's that's I

3383
02:06:33,679 --> 02:06:35,360
really want to learn more about that. It

3384
02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:37,040
gets a little bit complicated because

3385
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:39,119
you have your fund balance, you have pro

3386
02:06:39,119 --> 02:06:41,440
some projects are 100% complete, some

3387
02:06:41,440 --> 02:06:43,280
might be 30%.

3388
02:06:43,280 --> 02:06:46,239
>> And so it's

3389
02:06:46,239 --> 02:06:48,719
uh yeah, it's hard to just like put it

3390
02:06:48,719 --> 02:06:51,920
right on paper in a way in a way that it

3391
02:06:51,920 --> 02:06:53,599
makes sense, but I'm happy to spend

3392
02:06:53,599 --> 02:06:54,079
time.

3393
02:06:54,079 --> 02:06:55,199
>> I'm getting there. So, thank you. That's

3394
02:06:55,199 --> 02:06:55,920
all I had. Thank you.

3395
02:06:55,920 --> 02:06:57,119
>> Okay, Brent.

3396
02:06:57,119 --> 02:06:59,920
>> Yeah, no questions. Just

3397
02:06:59,920 --> 02:07:01,440
>> maybe keep encouraging your friends and

3398
02:07:01,440 --> 02:07:02,719
neighbors to buy online so we can have

3399
02:07:02,719 --> 02:07:03,199
more sales.

3400
02:07:03,199 --> 02:07:05,599
>> I know, right? Hey, nice to see those

3401
02:07:05,599 --> 02:07:07,520
numbers going up. I double check.

3402
02:07:07,520 --> 02:07:09,679
>> But don't go to Walmart in in Lehi or

3403
02:07:09,679 --> 02:07:11,199
wherever or

3404
02:07:11,199 --> 02:07:15,360
>> We are higher than Cedar Hills

3405
02:07:15,360 --> 02:07:16,400
>> for sales tax.

3406
02:07:16,400 --> 02:07:17,280
>> Yes.

3407
02:07:17,280 --> 02:07:19,360
>> And they have a Walmart.

3408
02:07:19,360 --> 02:07:21,040
>> But Walmart brings in I mean they get

3409
02:07:21,040 --> 02:07:22,400
almost a million dollars in sales tax

3410
02:07:22,400 --> 02:07:23,280
revenue just from Walmart.

3411
02:07:23,280 --> 02:07:24,239
>> But with their Walmart?

3412
02:07:24,239 --> 02:07:24,560
>> Yeah.

3413
02:07:24,560 --> 02:07:25,360
>> Not just online.

3414
02:07:25,360 --> 02:07:27,599
>> We're higher than them overall.

3415
02:07:27,599 --> 02:07:28,800
>> Yeah. But they

3416
02:07:28,800 --> 02:07:29,920
>> Well, they just put in a new coffee

3417
02:07:29,920 --> 02:07:31,440
shop, so that might change things.

3418
02:07:31,440 --> 02:07:32,960
>> There you go. Jessica, do you have any

3419
02:07:32,960 --> 02:07:34,320
questions regarding finance the

3420
02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:37,599
financial report? Okay, let's move on

3421
02:07:37,599 --> 02:07:41,040
then. Action items and discussion items.

3422
02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:43,679
A, consideration for approval of a

3423
02:07:43,679 --> 02:07:48,000
five-sided lot on 1147 East Mountain

3424
02:07:48,000 --> 02:07:50,800
Drive.

3425
02:07:50,800 --> 02:07:52,000
>> Shane,

3426
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:54,639
>> Ryan is actually on and this this had to

3427
02:07:54,639 --> 02:07:56,320
go through the planning commission and

3428
02:07:56,320 --> 02:07:58,960
so he has agreed to

3429
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:00,560
>> present this.

3430
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:02,159
>> Yep. Can you guys hear me? Okay.

3431
02:08:02,159 --> 02:08:03,360
>> Yeah.

3432
02:08:03,360 --> 02:08:05,599
>> Okay. Um, yeah. So, in the in the city

3433
02:08:05,599 --> 02:08:08,719
code, it says lots have to be uh uh five

3434
02:08:08,719 --> 02:08:11,599
sides or less. If they want to be more

3435
02:08:11,599 --> 02:08:13,119
than five sides, they have to go through

3436
02:08:13,119 --> 02:08:14,320
the planning commission and city

3437
02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:18,079
council. In discussions that we've had

3438
02:08:18,079 --> 02:08:20,400
about this, it's really to avoid So,

3439
02:08:20,400 --> 02:08:22,000
each lot and each zone has to have a

3440
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:24,000
minimum square footage. Uh, it's really

3441
02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:26,960
to avoid some I think this is a legal

3442
02:08:26,960 --> 02:08:28,400
term, Steve. you'll have to check me,

3443
02:08:28,400 --> 02:08:30,880
but just just to avoid some funky lots

3444
02:08:30,880 --> 02:08:36,719
that aren't that they just create to to have some some weird boundaries to

3445
02:08:36,719 --> 02:08:46,400
meet that minimum lot size. Um, this lot, like the mayor said, um, is uh they've want to combine two lots that

3446
02:08:46,400 --> 02:08:49,119
they've already that they have. Uh, one

3447
02:08:49,119 --> 02:08:50,960
of them was already five sides and was

3448
02:08:50,960 --> 02:08:54,800
already uh uh funky to it's a weird

3449
02:08:54,800 --> 02:08:56,000
shaped lot. Heidi, I don't know if you

3450
02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:57,440
can pull that up, but

3451
02:08:57,440 --> 02:08:58,400
>> um

3452
02:08:58,400 --> 02:09:00,400
>> that weird part to it. I'll switch

3453
02:09:00,400 --> 02:09:02,239
screens so I can I can see what you're

3454
02:09:02,239 --> 02:09:05,760
showing, but um that that funky little

3455
02:09:05,760 --> 02:09:07,520
leg piece that comes off was already

3456
02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:09,199
part of it. They're adding a a piece to

3457
02:09:09,199 --> 02:09:11,520
the west or uh I think it's in the front

3458
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:14,159
side of it of the of the lot on that

3459
02:09:14,159 --> 02:09:16,320
east uh mountain drive there. But

3460
02:09:16,320 --> 02:09:19,119
they're combining two lots there. Uh it

3461
02:09:19,119 --> 02:09:21,520
again is over five sides. So it went

3462
02:09:21,520 --> 02:09:22,880
through the planning commission. We had

3463
02:09:22,880 --> 02:09:25,679
a discussion on it. uh they included in

3464
02:09:25,679 --> 02:09:27,280
your packet, they made a motion to

3465
02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:30,239
recommend approval of of the more than

3466
02:09:30,239 --> 02:09:32,800
five sided lot. So, as a as a city

3467
02:09:32,800 --> 02:09:34,800
council, you're the final say on that.

3468
02:09:34,800 --> 02:09:37,679
Um and yeah, you guys you guys get to

3469
02:09:37,679 --> 02:09:39,440
vote if if you want to grant an

3470
02:09:39,440 --> 02:09:42,159
exception to it's an exception to the uh

3471
02:09:42,159 --> 02:09:45,040
no more than five sided lot requirement.

3472
02:09:45,040 --> 02:09:47,760
So, uh it it's it's fairly simple, but

3473
02:09:47,760 --> 02:09:48,960
if there's any questions or anything,

3474
02:09:48,960 --> 02:09:51,920
I'd be happy to happy to go over that.

3475
02:09:51,920 --> 02:09:53,599
>> Hey, Brian. Um,

3476
02:09:53,599 --> 02:09:54,239
>> yes.

3477
02:09:54,239 --> 02:09:55,599
>> In planning commission, it was kind of

3478
02:09:55,599 --> 02:09:56,960
helpful to do the parcels. Do you want

3479
02:09:56,960 --> 02:09:58,719
me to do that, too?

3480
02:09:58,719 --> 02:10:00,560
>> Yeah, that's if that's okay. Yeah, if

3481
02:10:00,560 --> 02:10:02,079
you kind of want to see what it is now

3482
02:10:02,079 --> 02:10:04,880
and what it'll what it'll look like.

3483
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:07,599
>> Um,

3484
02:10:07,599 --> 02:10:09,440
>> I have a question, Brian. Are there any

3485
02:10:09,440 --> 02:10:12,079
uh structures on these?

3486
02:10:12,079 --> 02:10:13,760
>> Um, there's a

3487
02:10:13,760 --> 02:10:16,400
>> everything's undeveloped. Yeah, my my

3488
02:10:16,400 --> 02:10:17,840
understanding that there's a single home

3489
02:10:17,840 --> 02:10:20,320
on on one of the lots on the kind of

3490
02:10:20,320 --> 02:10:22,480
that main lot there that not the not the

3491
02:10:22,480 --> 02:10:25,040
funky offshoot but the but the main lot

3492
02:10:25,040 --> 02:10:28,470
there

3493
02:10:28,480 --> 02:10:30,800
and and once Tidy pulls this up, you'll

3494
02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:32,239
be able to see it.

3495
02:10:32,239 --> 02:10:34,320
>> Sorry.

3496
02:10:34,320 --> 02:10:35,840
>> No, that's okay.

3497
02:10:35,840 --> 02:10:40,069
>> Once he's done

3498
02:10:40,079 --> 02:10:41,840
» Brian, did you have anything else to add

3499
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:43,440
to the presentation?

3500
02:10:43,440 --> 02:10:45,040
>> No, that's it. There's no public hearing

3501
02:10:45,040 --> 02:10:47,119
or anything on this. So, yeah, but just

3502
02:10:47,119 --> 02:10:48,880
combining those two lots. You can see on

3503
02:10:48,880 --> 02:10:49,920
the

3504
02:10:49,920 --> 02:10:51,760
>> on the parcel map there, there is that

3505
02:10:51,760 --> 02:10:53,520
one.

3506
02:10:53,520 --> 02:10:55,119
>> Uh there's there's a home on there

3507
02:10:55,119 --> 02:11:03,830
already.

3508
02:11:03,840 --> 02:11:04,719
» Yeah.

3509
02:11:04,719 --> 02:11:06,480
>> If you go to the satellite view, Heidi,

3510
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:08,000
sometimes that helps a little bit just

3511
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:16,069
to show what's what's on there.

3512
02:11:16,079 --> 02:11:17,679
Yeah. So, they're just just combining

3513
02:11:17,679 --> 02:11:20,960
that 001 and 004

3514
02:11:20,960 --> 02:11:22,239
and the partial numbers there are the

3515
02:11:22,239 --> 02:11:23,920
last four. Yep.

3516
02:11:23,920 --> 02:11:26,880
>> Let's um proceed with questions. We'll

3517
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:29,679
start with um Councilwoman Blackwell.

3518
02:11:29,679 --> 02:11:31,520
Um, I just wanted to clarify, my

3519
02:11:31,520 --> 02:11:32,719
understanding after listening to

3520
02:11:32,719 --> 02:11:34,719
planning commission was that they wanted

3521
02:11:34,719 --> 02:11:37,679
to build an additional barn and I just

3522
02:11:37,679 --> 02:11:39,360
want to clarify that that barn will

3523
02:11:39,360 --> 02:11:40,719
still have to meet the setback

3524
02:11:40,719 --> 02:11:43,040
requirements and go through all the

3525
02:11:43,040 --> 02:11:44,639
proper channels. Okay.

3526
02:11:44,639 --> 02:11:46,320
>> Yep. Yep. So, any anything they build

3527
02:11:46,320 --> 02:11:47,520
going forward, they'll still have to

3528
02:11:47,520 --> 02:11:52,960
meet all the setback requirements and all the reviews and building reviews and all that fun stuff.

3529
02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:54,560
So, yep. This this doesn't change any of

3530
02:11:54,560 --> 02:11:56,320
that.

3531
02:11:56,320 --> 02:11:59,040
Do we have any idea how this lot got

3532
02:11:59,040 --> 02:12:01,679
right there in the middle kind of

3533
02:12:01,679 --> 02:12:04,239
>> Oh gosh. I I don't know. I

3534
02:12:04,239 --> 02:12:07,520
>> There are a few There are a few lots

3535
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:11,040
like this just throughout the city that you just kind of scratch your head

3536
02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:15,040
as is how it got to where it is. But I'm not sure. Shane might know better

3537
02:12:15,040 --> 02:12:16,880
than I do, but I'm not sure how

3538
02:12:16,880 --> 02:12:19,520
>> how it ended up like that. But I sh I

3539
02:12:19,520 --> 02:12:22,480
should note that the one the funky

3540
02:12:22,480 --> 02:12:25,241
shaped it's that's a legal term

3541
02:12:25,241 --> 02:12:26,400
[laughter]

3542
02:12:26,400 --> 02:12:29,599
that is actually a parcel and not a lot.

3543
02:12:29,599 --> 02:12:32,000
So what they're proposing is to combine

3544
02:12:32,000 --> 02:12:34,880
a parcel with a lot. Parcels don't have

3545
02:12:34,880 --> 02:12:36,960
that five-sided restriction,

3546
02:12:36,960 --> 02:12:38,960
>> but they're they're proposing to combine

3547
02:12:38,960 --> 02:12:41,360
it, which would actually reduce the

3548
02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:45,830
total number of sides.

3549
02:12:45,840 --> 02:12:47,119
Uh, Mr.

3550
02:12:47,119 --> 02:12:49,360
>> Did you have any questions? Well, let's

3551
02:12:49,360 --> 02:12:50,159
just go in order.

3552
02:12:50,159 --> 02:12:51,360
>> I was just gonna ask about something you

3553
02:12:51,360 --> 02:12:52,880
just said. I can wait till it's my turn,

3554
02:12:52,880 --> 02:12:53,679
though. Go ahead,

3555
02:12:53,679 --> 02:12:56,000
>> Chrissy. Did you have anything?

3556
02:12:56,000 --> 02:12:57,679
>> Um,

3557
02:12:57,679 --> 02:13:01,520
I I like where Sarah's going. Like, as

3558
02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:04,639
far as now that it's one contiguous lot,

3559
02:13:04,639 --> 02:13:06,159
um,

3560
02:13:06,159 --> 02:13:08,000
will they like is that considered the

3561
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:09,920
frontage then? What we're looking at?

3562
02:13:09,920 --> 02:13:12,079
So, they can't put a barn like right by

3563
02:13:12,079 --> 02:13:15,760
the sidewalk. In other words,

3564
02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:17,520
>> no, that would still be and and Steve

3565
02:13:17,520 --> 02:13:18,960
can correct me on this, but from looking

3566
02:13:18,960 --> 02:13:23,920
at it, that would still be the front lot front yard set back. I believe

3567
02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:26,159
in the I I could be so wrong on this, so

3568
02:13:26,159 --> 02:13:28,239
Steve, jump in. But the definition of a

3569
02:13:28,239 --> 02:13:31,280
front yard, it's ab budding the street.

3570
02:13:31,280 --> 02:13:33,440
Um, so that that would all be considered

3571
02:13:33,440 --> 02:13:35,840
the front yard. Yep.

3572
02:13:35,840 --> 02:13:38,320
>> And then every other that's the only

3573
02:13:38,320 --> 02:13:41,599
line of the whole many of the funky lot.

3574
02:13:41,599 --> 02:13:44,639
That's the only line that has um like a

3575
02:13:44,639 --> 02:13:46,400
frontage. Therefore, everything else

3576
02:13:46,400 --> 02:13:48,159
meets the minimum uh setback

3577
02:13:48,159 --> 02:13:50,800
requirements. Every other wherever they

3578
02:13:50,800 --> 02:13:53,040
put it, it it would every other line

3579
02:13:53,040 --> 02:13:54,800
will be treated equally. Is that what

3580
02:13:54,800 --> 02:13:56,719
I'm understanding?

3581
02:13:56,719 --> 02:13:58,560
It's hard to know front back side in

3582
02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:01,199
this one, right? So, like if they wanted

3583
02:14:01,199 --> 02:14:03,520
to put it in this area um part of the

3584
02:14:03,520 --> 02:14:05,920
left where there's um trailers and

3585
02:14:05,920 --> 02:14:08,400
stuff, it's as if every single line back

3586
02:14:08,400 --> 02:14:13,030
there is a backyard line, right?

3587
02:14:13,040 --> 02:14:14,560
What setback rules would apply? That's

3588
02:14:14,560 --> 02:14:15,280
>> your question.

3589
02:14:15,280 --> 02:14:16,639
>> Thank you. A better question. What

3590
02:14:16,639 --> 02:14:18,960
setback rules apply to everything other

3591
02:14:18,960 --> 02:14:21,280
than the frontage?

3592
02:14:21,280 --> 02:14:23,199
>> For sure. The north property line where

3593
02:14:23,199 --> 02:14:26,000
the cursor is the north line if a

3594
02:14:26,000 --> 02:14:27,840
building was back there would be the

3595
02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:31,679
rear and then east and west would be

3596
02:14:31,679 --> 02:14:32,079
sides.

3597
02:14:32,079 --> 02:14:35,360
>> Sides, right? Yeah, in the in the code

3598
02:14:35,360 --> 02:14:37,840
and and again in the code it's pretty

3599
02:14:37,840 --> 02:14:39,360
good at defining the front yard and then

3600
02:14:39,360 --> 02:14:41,840
the the backyard is the the yard that's

3601
02:14:41,840 --> 02:14:43,199
opposite the front yard and then the

3602
02:14:43,199 --> 02:14:44,639
sidey yards are not the front and the

3603
02:14:44,639 --> 02:14:47,760
back is if if I remember right. So at

3604
02:14:47,760 --> 02:14:49,199
least the front and the back is clearly

3605
02:14:49,199 --> 02:14:50,800
defined on those. So that's that's what

3606
02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:52,880
it looks like to me anyway.

3607
02:14:52,880 --> 02:14:54,960
>> So I guess I'm not following. So the

3608
02:14:54,960 --> 02:14:58,159
front can you I know you can't touch the

3609
02:14:58,159 --> 02:15:00,000
screen because you're Zoom. Which is the

3610
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:01,440
back? What's the front? And then

3611
02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:02,800
everything else is the side. I mean

3612
02:15:02,800 --> 02:15:05,040
there's so many lines on the this.

3613
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:07,360
>> Yeah. So Mike and and Shane and Steve

3614
02:15:07,360 --> 02:15:10,800
can you know say not not so on this but

3615
02:15:10,800 --> 02:15:12,480
the where our cursor is now I think

3616
02:15:12,480 --> 02:15:15,440
would be the front yard uh front front

3617
02:15:15,440 --> 02:15:19,199
yard. The the north those north lines

3618
02:15:19,199 --> 02:15:22,320
would be the would be the rear yard and

3619
02:15:22,320 --> 02:15:24,159
then everything else would be a

3620
02:15:24,159 --> 02:15:29,350
sideyard.

3621
02:15:29,360 --> 02:15:31,119
» Okay. What about the long long line?

3622
02:15:31,119 --> 02:15:32,480
That's narrow

3623
02:15:32,480 --> 02:15:33,520
>> in between.

3624
02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:33,760
>> Yeah,

3625
02:15:33,760 --> 02:15:34,560
>> that's a side.

3626
02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:36,639
>> North line would be

3627
02:15:36,639 --> 02:15:37,280
>> rear.

3628
02:15:37,280 --> 02:15:39,360
>> Oh, that is rear. So, any of the north?

3629
02:15:39,360 --> 02:15:39,840
>> Yeah.

3630
02:15:39,840 --> 02:15:40,320
>> Okay.

3631
02:15:40,320 --> 02:15:42,000
>> Yes.

3632
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:43,520
>> Okay. Thank you.

3633
02:15:43,520 --> 02:15:45,360
>> I want to make that clear because when

3634
02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:47,040
they when somebody takes your place

3635
02:15:47,040 --> 02:15:49,280
someday, Ryan, and comes to try and

3636
02:15:49,280 --> 02:15:51,280
build something, I want to, you know, I

3637
02:15:51,280 --> 02:15:53,119
want them to know and me to know and the

3638
02:15:53,119 --> 02:15:55,199
owners to know what we're talking about

3639
02:15:55,199 --> 02:15:55,920
in this very

3640
02:15:55,920 --> 02:15:58,079
>> odd. Great clarification. Yep. And

3641
02:15:58,079 --> 02:15:59,760
Heidi, could you move the cursor to the

3642
02:15:59,760 --> 02:16:01,599
far left and all the way down to that

3643
02:16:01,599 --> 02:16:03,520
southern part of that one? This line.

3644
02:16:03,520 --> 02:16:05,199
That's the one that's unclear on

3645
02:16:05,199 --> 02:16:05,760
>> this one.

3646
02:16:05,760 --> 02:16:07,920
>> Right. So that's not neither a side nor

3647
02:16:07,920 --> 02:16:09,679
a front.

3648
02:16:09,679 --> 02:16:10,239
>> No.

3649
02:16:10,239 --> 02:16:13,840
>> Yeah. Ryan, I don't recall a specific in

3650
02:16:13,840 --> 02:16:15,840
the ordinance that would identify what

3651
02:16:15,840 --> 02:16:17,679
setback would apply there. It's

3652
02:16:17,679 --> 02:16:21,119
something we don't run into very often.

3653
02:16:21,119 --> 02:16:23,679
Um,

3654
02:16:23,679 --> 02:16:25,520
so maybe if we don't have it in the

3655
02:16:25,520 --> 02:16:26,880
ordinance, we'd have to decide which is

3656
02:16:26,880 --> 02:16:28,880
most appropriate for that. It's maybe

3657
02:16:28,880 --> 02:16:31,760
more of a sideyard or a or a back since

3658
02:16:31,760 --> 02:16:33,519
it absuts this other home.

3659
02:16:33,519 --> 02:16:35,200
>> I don't know. Just either clarify the

3660
02:16:35,200 --> 02:16:36,800
ordinance or

3661
02:16:36,800 --> 02:16:38,399
>> come to a reasonable conclusion with

3662
02:16:38,399 --> 02:16:39,840
attorney input.

3663
02:16:39,840 --> 02:16:42,800
>> Okay, let's proceed with um Andrew's

3664
02:16:42,800 --> 02:16:44,960
comments or questions. [clears throat]

3665
02:16:44,960 --> 02:16:48,399
>> So, this this is just bear with me. Um

3666
02:16:48,399 --> 02:16:49,840
uh I'll try to go through this. I'm I'm

3667
02:16:49,840 --> 02:16:51,439
not looking at homes. I I grew up in

3668
02:16:51,439 --> 02:16:54,240
these homes. I I know these well. I know

3669
02:16:54,240 --> 02:16:55,840
who lives there now. I know who used to

3670
02:16:55,840 --> 02:16:58,559
live there. Um I I got to give some

3671
02:16:58,559 --> 02:16:59,840
background though, otherwise this won't

3672
02:16:59,840 --> 02:17:01,439
make sense because the owner is here and

3673
02:17:01,439 --> 02:17:04,479
I respect him. Uh you're not going to

3674
02:17:04,479 --> 02:17:11,120
like me, but I I respect you and I but I got to explain that when I ran for um

3675
02:17:11,120 --> 02:17:14,639
for this. I was very surprised going

3676
02:17:14,639 --> 02:17:16,960
around all of Alpine and finding out and

3677
02:17:16,960 --> 02:17:19,200
then I can give some history on this lot

3678
02:17:19,200 --> 02:17:20,880
that the number one thing was traffic.

3679
02:17:20,880 --> 02:17:23,679
But the most surprising thing second to

3680
02:17:23,679 --> 02:17:27,120
that what residents all over in all

3681
02:17:27,120 --> 02:17:29,359
neighborhoods all over the one I live in

3682
02:17:29,359 --> 02:17:32,319
the far west side up north down south

3683
02:17:32,319 --> 02:17:34,240
was something I didn't know how to

3684
02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:38,160
express but put it in the title of

3685
02:17:38,160 --> 02:17:40,240
extreme construction.

3686
02:17:40,240 --> 02:17:43,120
Uh it was the second most brought up uh

3687
02:17:43,120 --> 02:17:45,200
frustration that residents in Alpine

3688
02:17:45,200 --> 02:17:46,880
would have. So just to give you some

3689
02:17:46,880 --> 02:17:48,719
background, I would go and they would

3690
02:17:48,719 --> 02:17:51,120
walk me over to a place and they would

3691
02:17:51,120 --> 02:17:53,519
say, "How could you let this happen?

3692
02:17:53,519 --> 02:17:55,040
It's so bizarre." They would call them

3693
02:17:55,040 --> 02:17:58,399
albatrosses or double lots or quadruple

3694
02:17:58,399 --> 02:18:00,639
lots. I'm only bringing this up because

3695
02:18:00,639 --> 02:18:02,399
I'm sensitive to the relationships of

3696
02:18:02,399 --> 02:18:04,160
the people in this room. So, it's very

3697
02:18:04,160 --> 02:18:06,240
hard like my heart's pounding to to to

3698
02:18:06,240 --> 02:18:08,639
like try to explain this and express why

3699
02:18:08,639 --> 02:18:10,319
I think this is such a disaster of an

3700
02:18:10,319 --> 02:18:13,760
idea and I apologize. It's not you. It's

3701
02:18:13,760 --> 02:18:15,359
it would be if my mom was trying to do

3702
02:18:15,359 --> 02:18:17,439
this, I would say the same thing. The

3703
02:18:17,439 --> 02:18:20,319
history of this lot is the home where

3704
02:18:20,319 --> 02:18:23,439
you're seeing it was purchased and then

3705
02:18:23,439 --> 02:18:26,800
divided. Okay, so that's how we got this

3706
02:18:26,800 --> 02:18:30,800
weird shape. Um, and so that probably

3707
02:18:30,800 --> 02:18:37,200
shouldn't have happened either. Now, why this is a legislative decision? We

3708
02:18:37,200 --> 02:18:39,040
are trying like our job, I don't know if

3709
02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:41,519
everyone's sick of listening, but our

3710
02:18:41,519 --> 02:18:44,719
job is to literally preserve the look

3711
02:18:44,719 --> 02:18:47,599
and feel of that city.

3712
02:18:47,599 --> 02:18:49,040
The look and feel of it. This is

3713
02:18:49,040 --> 02:18:51,599
legislative. This is not administrative.

3714
02:18:51,599 --> 02:18:52,319
It's [clears throat] completely

3715
02:18:52,319 --> 02:18:55,439
legislative. The look and the feel. I

3716
02:18:55,439 --> 02:18:57,840
would not have like issues or even have

3717
02:18:57,840 --> 02:19:02,880
a background or a story on this had I not seen or have I not already

3718
02:19:02,880 --> 02:19:05,679
seen so many things just like this all

3719
02:19:05,679 --> 02:19:08,319
throughout Alpine which have created big

3720
02:19:08,319 --> 02:19:10,160
problems surprisingly not just for the

3721
02:19:10,160 --> 02:19:12,240
neighborhoods but for the person who

3722
02:19:12,240 --> 02:19:16,479
creates them. It's very surprising when

3723
02:19:16,479 --> 02:19:18,719
someone has created one of these which I

3724
02:19:18,719 --> 02:19:21,359
would call like a complex a multi-lot

3725
02:19:21,359 --> 02:19:24,880
size in a mismatched neighborhood that

3726
02:19:24,880 --> 02:19:26,880
it does not give them the f fulfillment

3727
02:19:26,880 --> 02:19:28,559
they're seeking for whether it's to

3728
02:19:28,559 --> 02:19:30,559
build some huge thing on the lot and

3729
02:19:30,559 --> 02:19:32,319
they end up leaving often we have one

3730
02:19:32,319 --> 02:19:35,280
right by this where they end up leaving

3731
02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:38,559
uh or and it's just sitting there and it was very and it's very similar

3732
02:19:38,559 --> 02:19:39,920
there's a very there's a very similar

3733
02:19:39,920 --> 02:19:42,319
story and these are not made by people

3734
02:19:42,319 --> 02:19:44,399
who are

3735
02:19:44,399 --> 02:19:45,519
I don't know how to say it normal

3736
02:19:45,519 --> 02:19:47,679
regular people. These are outliers and

3737
02:19:47,679 --> 02:19:49,840
very good and very intelligent and very

3738
02:19:49,840 --> 02:19:51,600
successful people and this is why

3739
02:19:51,600 --> 02:19:54,240
they're doing this and it has this weird

3740
02:19:54,240 --> 02:19:57,040
consequence of completely upending the

3741
02:19:57,040 --> 02:19:58,720
neighborhood. And so that's what I've

3742
02:19:58,720 --> 02:19:59,760
been hearing. That's what I've been

3743
02:19:59,760 --> 02:20:00,960
experiencing. I just want to explain

3744
02:20:00,960 --> 02:20:03,760
that I respect everything he's doing,

3745
02:20:03,760 --> 02:20:06,160
but long term I have seen this turn into

3746
02:20:06,160 --> 02:20:08,720
a definite disruptor of the

3747
02:20:08,720 --> 02:20:13,359
neighborhoods. If if if I could if I could explain this in such a

3748
02:20:13,359 --> 02:20:16,000
way as a friend, I would be like, "Yes,

3749
02:20:16,000 --> 02:20:18,399
build a barn. Yes, make this sweet

3750
02:20:18,399 --> 02:20:21,760
complex, this cool uh man cave because

3751
02:20:21,760 --> 02:20:23,920
this is happening." Oh, this cool lazy

3752
02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:26,720
river or this awesome beautiful house.

3753
02:20:26,720 --> 02:20:28,640
But you got to do it on a fiveacre lot

3754
02:20:28,640 --> 02:20:30,319
where the fiveacre lots are because what

3755
02:20:30,319 --> 02:20:32,080
it does is it disrupts every single

3756
02:20:32,080 --> 02:20:34,160
neighbor around them. And it creates

3757
02:20:34,160 --> 02:20:37,760
this problem that I have no idea if and

3758
02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:40,240
if this land ever changes what you're

3759
02:20:40,240 --> 02:20:42,319
going to do with it. Going back to some

3760
02:20:42,319 --> 02:20:44,000
of the earlier conversations we've had,

3761
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:46,080
if you're not thinking 20 and 50 and 60

3762
02:20:46,080 --> 02:20:47,760
years ahead, you're giving the next

3763
02:20:47,760 --> 02:20:50,560
council a big difficult problem that

3764
02:20:50,560 --> 02:20:51,840
maybe they not they won't be able to

3765
02:20:51,840 --> 02:20:52,720
solve and they're just going to have to

3766
02:20:52,720 --> 02:20:54,800
diffuse it and go on a plan B like what

3767
02:20:54,800 --> 02:20:57,040
we're trying to do with Main Street. So,

3768
02:20:57,040 --> 02:21:00,000
I I respect the owner. I love that. I I

3769
02:21:00,000 --> 02:21:03,520
honestly respect his

3770
02:21:03,520 --> 02:21:07,840
like business like nobody else. Um, I

3771
02:21:07,840 --> 02:21:09,120
don't think he's going to get the

3772
02:21:09,120 --> 02:21:10,720
fulfillment that he's hoping for by

3773
02:21:10,720 --> 02:21:12,560
doing this given what I've seen in so

3774
02:21:12,560 --> 02:21:14,880
many other cases. I do think it is a

3775
02:21:14,880 --> 02:21:19,600
blatant disruptor to the core of Alpine.

3776
02:21:19,600 --> 02:21:22,240
I'm sorry to to land there. I think this

3777
02:21:22,240 --> 02:21:24,240
will only set precedent for terrible

3778
02:21:24,240 --> 02:21:26,720
more of this. I don't think we have any

3779
02:21:26,720 --> 02:21:29,280
explanation to the residents of Alpine

3780
02:21:29,280 --> 02:21:31,680
to explain this when there are so many

3781
02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:34,000
examples just like this multi-lot weird

3782
02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:36,640
lot that they are just scratching their

3783
02:21:36,640 --> 02:21:39,520
head saying how on earth did you guys

3784
02:21:39,520 --> 02:21:41,920
allow this to happen

3785
02:21:41,920 --> 02:21:43,359
I have no idea anyways

3786
02:21:43,359 --> 02:21:45,359
>> Andrew can I ask a quick question like

3787
02:21:45,359 --> 02:21:47,439
what what's your biggest concern with

3788
02:21:47,439 --> 02:21:49,359
this is just what they would build on it

3789
02:21:49,359 --> 02:21:50,960
is that what you're getting at or what

3790
02:21:50,960 --> 02:21:51,439
are you

3791
02:21:51,439 --> 02:21:54,160
>> it's not the concern of what they're not

3792
02:21:54,160 --> 02:21:56,319
the concern of what they build on it. It

3793
02:21:56,319 --> 02:21:59,840
disrupts the uh

3794
02:21:59,840 --> 02:22:02,240
the ecosystem of the neighborhood in

3795
02:22:02,240 --> 02:22:04,800
which it exists. It is a complete

3796
02:22:04,800 --> 02:22:07,680
outlier because of the shape and it

3797
02:22:07,680 --> 02:22:09,760
>> not just the shape but for

3798
02:22:09,760 --> 02:22:10,560
>> the size.

3799
02:22:10,560 --> 02:22:12,319
>> It's already happening.

3800
02:22:12,319 --> 02:22:14,479
>> It's it's already happening and we I I

3801
02:22:14,479 --> 02:22:16,080
seek to make peace with the res. This is

3802
02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:17,359
why it's so hard for me to say this type

3803
02:22:17,359 --> 02:22:18,479
of stuff because I don't want to make a

3804
02:22:18,479 --> 02:22:20,880
problem with a resident who I respect.

3805
02:22:20,880 --> 02:22:22,319
But I do know the feelings of all the

3806
02:22:22,319 --> 02:22:23,600
residents surrounding this and it's

3807
02:22:23,600 --> 02:22:26,160
already creating problems with a fence

3808
02:22:26,160 --> 02:22:27,920
system. Okay. And I don't

3809
02:22:27,920 --> 02:22:29,200
>> This has nothing to do with off the

3810
02:22:29,200 --> 02:22:31,200
fence. This is dealing with

3811
02:22:31,200 --> 02:22:33,359
>> approving this. No, you're you're not

3812
02:22:33,359 --> 02:22:34,880
you're comparing one thing to another.

3813
02:22:34,880 --> 02:22:36,479
>> You didn't let me finish it. It does

3814
02:22:36,479 --> 02:22:39,120
because it is going on the lines of this

3815
02:22:39,120 --> 02:22:41,359
weird lot. And if it was a square lot,

3816
02:22:41,359 --> 02:22:42,800
the fence would be very different than

3817
02:22:42,800 --> 02:22:45,040
zigzagging in between four and five

3818
02:22:45,040 --> 02:22:47,520
other lots. So, it does it does have

3819
02:22:47,520 --> 02:22:49,120
ramifications. The ramifications we're

3820
02:22:49,120 --> 02:22:51,760
seeing is yes, uh, structures get put on

3821
02:22:51,760 --> 02:22:54,240
and they get put on in weird locations.

3822
02:22:54,240 --> 02:22:57,840
Okay, they upset the neighborhoods with

3823
02:22:57,840 --> 02:23:00,080
and I didn't make this up. I'm observing

3824
02:23:00,080 --> 02:23:03,040
it in multiple scenarios within Alpine

3825
02:23:03,040 --> 02:23:04,479
if I wouldn't observed it because they

3826
02:23:04,479 --> 02:23:05,200
brought it up to me.

3827
02:23:05,200 --> 02:23:09,120
>> Toby, so the question from Sarah was do

3828
02:23:09,120 --> 02:23:10,240
you feel like

3829
02:23:10,240 --> 02:23:12,399
>> Yeah. What exactly are you against? What

3830
02:23:12,399 --> 02:23:17,840
if we combine this lot, what are you afraid of? I'm not afraid

3831
02:23:17,840 --> 02:23:19,680
of anything. What I am doing is I am

3832
02:23:19,680 --> 02:23:21,120
observing where this has already

3833
02:23:21,120 --> 02:23:22,880
happened and the big problems that has

3834
02:23:22,880 --> 02:23:24,160
created and these are the problems that

3835
02:23:24,160 --> 02:23:25,120
it creates.

3836
02:23:25,120 --> 02:23:26,479
>> What are the problems that it creates?

3837
02:23:26,479 --> 02:23:30,720
>> I'm explaining often it creates a large

3838
02:23:30,720 --> 02:23:33,760
complex structure which does several

3839
02:23:33,760 --> 02:23:35,280
things

3840
02:23:35,280 --> 02:23:38,560
blocks views. This is this is very long

3841
02:23:38,560 --> 02:23:40,399
construction durations and this is

3842
02:23:40,399 --> 02:23:42,080
already beginning to start. And again,

3843
02:23:42,080 --> 02:23:43,680
I'm I'm not against the family. I love

3844
02:23:43,680 --> 02:23:46,160
the family and I love the neighborhood.

3845
02:23:46,160 --> 02:23:48,479
It does create

3846
02:23:48,479 --> 02:23:51,040
a deep problem with the surrounding

3847
02:23:51,040 --> 02:23:52,800
neighbors. This is what they would bring

3848
02:23:52,800 --> 02:23:53,840
when I would go and I would talk to

3849
02:23:53,840 --> 02:23:55,040
these neighbors. I say, "What's going on

3850
02:23:55,040 --> 02:23:56,640
over here? I have no idea what's going

3851
02:23:56,640 --> 02:23:59,120
on on Feiferhorn." They would walk me

3852
02:23:59,120 --> 02:24:00,880
over and they would point that it's been

3853
02:24:00,880 --> 02:24:02,560
going on for three years. It's just so

3854
02:24:02,560 --> 02:24:04,960
big that the construction time, the view

3855
02:24:04,960 --> 02:24:07,760
block, the um and then and then I would

3856
02:24:07,760 --> 02:24:10,160
say the deeper thing is once you build

3857
02:24:10,160 --> 02:24:12,080
an albatross, which this is what they

3858
02:24:12,080 --> 02:24:14,479
have called it, it becomes very

3859
02:24:14,479 --> 02:24:17,600
difficult to pass on or sell. So I can

3860
02:24:17,600 --> 02:24:20,479
think of several several examples where

3861
02:24:20,479 --> 02:24:22,080
when the owner has created this and

3862
02:24:22,080 --> 02:24:24,160
there's one right by this who I also

3863
02:24:24,160 --> 02:24:25,680
know the the family and I'm not trying

3864
02:24:25,680 --> 02:24:27,439
to say anything mean about them. I'm

3865
02:24:27,439 --> 02:24:28,800
just trying to explain the situation.

3866
02:24:28,800 --> 02:24:30,720
when they go on to try to sell it, it

3867
02:24:30,720 --> 02:24:35,359
often sits for years and years and years and someone has to demolish

3868
02:24:35,359 --> 02:24:38,319
it. Someone has to try to sort it out. I

3869
02:24:38,319 --> 02:24:40,000
think the problem is not necessarily, if

3870
02:24:40,000 --> 02:24:41,280
you want a specific what I'm afraid

3871
02:24:41,280 --> 02:24:43,280
about, it's the reality that someone's

3872
02:24:43,280 --> 02:24:44,720
going to have to deal with this in 40,

3873
02:24:44,720 --> 02:24:46,800
50, 60, 70 years and it's never going to

3874
02:24:46,800 --> 02:24:49,840
be easy. And it didn't used to be like

3875
02:24:49,840 --> 02:24:51,840
this. Just so you know, this this is a

3876
02:24:51,840 --> 02:24:54,720
second job. This is a second dividing.

3877
02:24:54,720 --> 02:24:56,720
The first time it was divided in a way

3878
02:24:56,720 --> 02:24:57,760
that it probably shouldn't have been

3879
02:24:57,760 --> 02:24:59,359
divided and that has already caused

3880
02:24:59,359 --> 02:25:02,800
problems because the neighbor is not

3881
02:25:02,800 --> 02:25:05,120
able to utilize land in such a way that

3882
02:25:05,120 --> 02:25:08,000
a normal lot they would utilize. Okay.

3883
02:25:08,000 --> 02:25:10,319
Now, now I want the the resident

3884
02:25:10,319 --> 02:25:11,520
>> Wait, what do you mean the neighbor

3885
02:25:11,520 --> 02:25:13,200
can't utilize the land?

3886
02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:17,200
>> Well, what I I agree. I agree. Um,

3887
02:25:17,200 --> 02:25:19,120
>> you mean utilize this person's land or

3888
02:25:19,120 --> 02:25:20,479
their own? I'll just I'll just say it is

3889
02:25:20,479 --> 02:25:23,120
as respectfully as I can knowing

3890
02:25:23,120 --> 02:25:24,560
>> people know my intention is to preserve

3891
02:25:24,560 --> 02:25:28,560
Alpine. What it is is part of the land

3892
02:25:28,560 --> 02:25:31,120
used to be part of another lot. And so

3893
02:25:31,120 --> 02:25:33,680
because there's a house built before the

3894
02:25:33,680 --> 02:25:36,560
division, it changes the depth. It

3895
02:25:36,560 --> 02:25:38,399
changes the setbacks. It changes how

3896
02:25:38,399 --> 02:25:41,040
much space there is. The the barn used

3897
02:25:41,040 --> 02:25:44,560
to be part of the other house.

3898
02:25:44,560 --> 02:25:47,439
Okay? It used to be a different house's

3899
02:25:47,439 --> 02:25:51,040
barn. It was divided. So I I respect

3900
02:25:51,040 --> 02:25:53,280
>> that property owner sold his property.

3901
02:25:53,280 --> 02:25:54,880
Am I understanding correctly?

3902
02:25:54,880 --> 02:25:55,760
>> Yes.

3903
02:25:55,760 --> 02:25:58,080
>> And so now that property owner is

3904
02:25:58,080 --> 02:26:00,319
worried about his backyard that he sold

3905
02:26:00,319 --> 02:26:00,720
off.

3906
02:26:00,720 --> 02:26:02,160
>> No, no, no. Okay. Well, I'll tell the

3907
02:26:02,160 --> 02:26:02,720
story as best.

3908
02:26:02,720 --> 02:26:03,520
>> I'm just trying to understand.

3909
02:26:03,520 --> 02:26:05,520
>> Yeah. Yeah. So, so property only sold

3910
02:26:05,520 --> 02:26:07,040
this lot. If you bring it up, it's the

3911
02:26:07,040 --> 02:26:08,319
middle one.

3912
02:26:08,319 --> 02:26:09,520
>> That was

3913
02:26:09,520 --> 02:26:11,680
>> Yes. Yes. Yes. Well, he bought it from

3914
02:26:11,680 --> 02:26:13,600
the property owner who I'm talking about

3915
02:26:13,600 --> 02:26:15,920
before either him or the current

3916
02:26:15,920 --> 02:26:19,120
resident lives there. It used to be a

3917
02:26:19,120 --> 02:26:23,040
lot that included the barn and the back

3918
02:26:23,040 --> 02:26:25,359
walkway and that other parcel. So, it

3919
02:26:25,359 --> 02:26:28,960
was not as extreme back then as it has

3920
02:26:28,960 --> 02:26:30,640
become. And this will make it more

3921
02:26:30,640 --> 02:26:32,640
extreme. Does that make sense? If I I

3922
02:26:32,640 --> 02:26:33,920
can point it out if you if you would

3923
02:26:33,920 --> 02:26:36,640
like to see it. It It's the fish home.

3924
02:26:36,640 --> 02:26:38,720
and the fishes used

3925
02:26:38,720 --> 02:26:40,800
to own the farm and and that

3926
02:26:40,800 --> 02:26:41,760
>> and they sold that.

3927
02:26:41,760 --> 02:26:43,200
>> Yes. They sold it and then it was

3928
02:26:43,200 --> 02:26:44,720
divided to what it is now.

3929
02:26:44,720 --> 02:26:45,120
>> Right.

3930
02:26:45,120 --> 02:26:46,080
>> Does that make sense?

3931
02:26:46,080 --> 02:26:47,200
>> Yes.

3932
02:26:47,200 --> 02:26:48,319
Okay. So,

3933
02:26:48,319 --> 02:26:49,120
>> and then

3934
02:26:49,120 --> 02:26:50,160
>> and now it's being

3935
02:26:50,160 --> 02:26:51,200
>> But now you're saying that they're

3936
02:26:51,200 --> 02:26:52,960
worried about their backyard because it

3937
02:26:52,960 --> 02:26:55,439
wasn't because that was originally part

3938
02:26:55,439 --> 02:26:56,640
of their property. I'm

3939
02:26:56,640 --> 02:26:57,200
>> No, no,

3940
02:26:57,200 --> 02:26:58,319
>> I'm confused at what you're

3941
02:26:58,319 --> 02:27:00,720
>> the changing Well, the the lot is

3942
02:27:00,720 --> 02:27:03,040
smaller now that that has been divided

3943
02:27:03,040 --> 02:27:04,399
here. Let me just point over really

3944
02:27:04,399 --> 02:27:09,110
quick so you can see.

3945
02:27:09,120 --> 02:27:12,800
» This lot used to be like that. It was

3946
02:27:12,800 --> 02:27:13,760
all one.

3947
02:27:13,760 --> 02:27:16,080
>> Okay. It still was multi-sighted. Okay.

3948
02:27:16,080 --> 02:27:18,080
Um, maybe I actually don't know if this

3949
02:27:18,080 --> 02:27:20,080
was separated or how it was done. At a

3950
02:27:20,080 --> 02:27:23,439
certain point, it was bought and then

3951
02:27:23,439 --> 02:27:24,240
this part.

3952
02:27:24,240 --> 02:27:26,399
>> Can you turn on the annotation?

3953
02:27:26,399 --> 02:27:29,920
>> Yes, I can.

3954
02:27:29,920 --> 02:27:31,520
>> Oh, can you take that? Where's the

3955
02:27:31,520 --> 02:27:32,800
eraser?

3956
02:27:32,800 --> 02:27:36,469
>> I don't

3957
02:27:36,479 --> 02:27:38,720
use it for a while. I don't remember.

3958
02:27:38,720 --> 02:27:40,880
>> Wait. Usually there's like a Usually

3959
02:27:40,880 --> 02:27:43,359
there's like a little Oh,

3960
02:27:43,359 --> 02:27:45,680
>> no.

3961
02:27:45,680 --> 02:27:47,200
>> that just went green.

3962
02:27:47,200 --> 02:27:48,880
>> And then I just have some questions.

3963
02:27:48,880 --> 02:27:49,600
Those are those

3964
02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:50,800
>> We've never got this far on the

3965
02:27:50,800 --> 02:27:52,240
annotation, so I don't know if I'm much

3966
02:27:52,240 --> 02:27:58,950
help. Sorry.

3967
02:27:58,960 --> 02:28:00,000
» Where's the eraser?

3968
02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:08,389
>> Someone just did a little eraser.

3969
02:28:08,399 --> 02:28:09,520
» Okay. So,

3970
02:28:09,520 --> 02:28:11,040
>> so I can finish up if you'd like.

3971
02:28:11,040 --> 02:28:12,000
>> Okay, that would be great. Can you

3972
02:28:12,000 --> 02:28:12,399
finish up?

3973
02:28:12,399 --> 02:28:15,120
>> Finish up. this this is extreme. It

3974
02:28:15,120 --> 02:28:16,960
doesn't fit Alpine. We have several

3975
02:28:16,960 --> 02:28:19,280
other examples like this. They have not

3976
02:28:19,280 --> 02:28:22,000
served the owner who does them well and

3977
02:28:22,000 --> 02:28:23,920
they have created big long-term problems

3978
02:28:23,920 --> 02:28:26,640
not only for the council and or not only

3979
02:28:26,640 --> 02:28:28,000
for the council but also for the

3980
02:28:28,000 --> 02:28:31,520
neighborhoods. I respect and deeply want

3981
02:28:31,520 --> 02:28:33,680
the owner to achieve these goals. I

3982
02:28:33,680 --> 02:28:36,240
think he can do them better in a more

3983
02:28:36,240 --> 02:28:38,319
rectangular lot that is bigger like a

3984
02:28:38,319 --> 02:28:40,160
5acre lot or something where you buy

3985
02:28:40,160 --> 02:28:42,160
like a farm. There are some in Alpine

3986
02:28:42,160 --> 02:28:43,439
and elsewhere where you can build these

3987
02:28:43,439 --> 02:28:46,640
big barns and they end up

3988
02:28:46,640 --> 02:28:47,760
>> Okay.

3989
02:28:47,760 --> 02:28:48,880
>> Is that it, Andrew?

3990
02:28:48,880 --> 02:28:50,720
>> Well, no. And then I had two last

3991
02:28:50,720 --> 02:28:52,240
questions.

3992
02:28:52,240 --> 02:28:53,040
>> What is that?

3993
02:28:53,040 --> 02:28:55,600
>> If and and I don't know how is is there

3994
02:28:55,600 --> 02:28:58,240
a way, Mr. Doxy, this is my question,

3995
02:28:58,240 --> 02:29:00,640
where he can still build his barn

3996
02:29:00,640 --> 02:29:03,359
without connecting these or or I'm

3997
02:29:03,359 --> 02:29:05,359
sorry, is there a way he can build a

3998
02:29:05,359 --> 02:29:07,520
structure on that parcel without having

3999
02:29:07,520 --> 02:29:10,240
to connect him or is he locked in that?

4000
02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:12,880
So accessory structures under the

4001
02:29:12,880 --> 02:29:15,760
current code are allowed when there's a

4002
02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:17,520
principal structure or principal

4003
02:29:17,520 --> 02:29:19,200
dwelling. This is a residential

4004
02:29:19,200 --> 02:29:19,760
neighborhood.

4005
02:29:19,760 --> 02:29:21,120
>> So that's why it needs it needs to have

4006
02:29:21,120 --> 02:29:22,080
a home on it.

4007
02:29:22,080 --> 02:29:23,840
>> Needs to have a principal dwelling, but

4008
02:29:23,840 --> 02:29:26,240
the frontage, as I understand it, is not

4009
02:29:26,240 --> 02:29:29,840
wide enough for a principal dwelling to

4010
02:29:29,840 --> 02:29:33,280
be built on that parcel.

4011
02:29:33,280 --> 02:29:35,520
>> So So that's that's it needs to connect

4012
02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:38,640
to have that parcel with a farm. So So I

4013
02:29:38,640 --> 02:29:42,160
respect it. It's a I uh it's it's a

4014
02:29:42,160 --> 02:29:43,680
>> Do you have a second question?

4015
02:29:43,680 --> 02:29:46,000
>> Uh no, I didn't have a second question.

4016
02:29:46,000 --> 02:29:47,680
I I think I'm wrapping up, but you

4017
02:29:47,680 --> 02:29:49,600
understand and I I appreciate the time.

4018
02:29:49,600 --> 02:29:50,080
Thank you.

4019
02:29:50,080 --> 02:29:50,479
>> Okay.

4020
02:29:50,479 --> 02:29:52,000
>> Just a sorry, just a clarification,

4021
02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:53,280
Andrew. I just want to make sure I

4022
02:29:53,280 --> 02:29:54,960
understand. Yeah. You're not opposed to

4023
02:29:54,960 --> 02:29:57,359
him putting a barn or some kind of

4024
02:29:57,359 --> 02:30:00,160
accessory structure on that property.

4025
02:30:00,160 --> 02:30:00,720
No,

4026
02:30:00,720 --> 02:30:03,040
>> it's just the shape and the size of the

4027
02:30:03,040 --> 02:30:04,319
lot in this neighborhood

4028
02:30:04,319 --> 02:30:06,240
>> and generally what they turn into when

4029
02:30:06,240 --> 02:30:07,760
we've made these and allowed these

4030
02:30:07,760 --> 02:30:09,120
things to happen. And there's several

4031
02:30:09,120 --> 02:30:10,800
examples near where you live and near

4032
02:30:10,800 --> 02:30:12,640
where all of us live. And they've turned

4033
02:30:12,640 --> 02:30:15,200
out to be very difficult problems, not

4034
02:30:15,200 --> 02:30:16,319
only for the neighborhood, but for the

4035
02:30:16,319 --> 02:30:18,000
city moving forward. We have one being

4036
02:30:18,000 --> 02:30:19,359
built right now, and it's creating

4037
02:30:19,359 --> 02:30:20,880
electricity problems just because

4038
02:30:20,880 --> 02:30:23,120
they're so weird. They create logistical

4039
02:30:23,120 --> 02:30:25,200
problems, they create social problems,

4040
02:30:25,200 --> 02:30:27,040
they create relationship problems, and

4041
02:30:27,040 --> 02:30:28,479
they create identity of the city

4042
02:30:28,479 --> 02:30:30,160
problems.

4043
02:30:30,160 --> 02:30:31,840
>> So, I have no other questions.

4044
02:30:31,840 --> 02:30:33,840
>> Okay. Jessica, do you have any questions

4045
02:30:33,840 --> 02:30:37,439
or comments regarding combining these

4046
02:30:37,439 --> 02:30:39,520
two lots?

4047
02:30:39,520 --> 02:30:42,240
>> No, just the original code is we don't

4048
02:30:42,240 --> 02:30:45,760
allow for lots that are more than four

4049
02:30:45,760 --> 02:30:47,359
sides. Correct.

4050
02:30:47,359 --> 02:30:49,280
>> Five more than five sides.

4051
02:30:49,280 --> 02:30:49,680
>> Okay.

4052
02:30:49,680 --> 02:30:51,280
>> Unless they come in for an exception,

4053
02:30:51,280 --> 02:30:53,120
which we have approved, I think, every

4054
02:30:53,120 --> 02:30:55,040
other ones that have come in. But

4055
02:30:55,040 --> 02:30:56,960
>> but that doesn't set precedent and it

4056
02:30:56,960 --> 02:30:58,640
doesn't mean we're required to continue

4057
02:30:58,640 --> 02:31:00,240
that approval. Correct.

4058
02:31:00,240 --> 02:31:00,800
>> Correct.

4059
02:31:00,800 --> 02:31:02,240
>> Okay.

4060
02:31:02,240 --> 02:31:04,560
Yes, just like any other land use

4061
02:31:04,560 --> 02:31:06,960
exception, land use ordinance, they have

4062
02:31:06,960 --> 02:31:08,880
exceptions for a reason and the that

4063
02:31:08,880 --> 02:31:11,040
reason is not every situation is the

4064
02:31:11,040 --> 02:31:14,560
same and the reason for the ordinance or

4065
02:31:14,560 --> 02:31:17,359
the restriction if it's not applicable,

4066
02:31:17,359 --> 02:31:18,399
that's why you have an exception to

4067
02:31:18,399 --> 02:31:19,600
allow it. There's never it doesn't

4068
02:31:19,600 --> 02:31:20,479
create a presence.

4069
02:31:20,479 --> 02:31:24,080
>> Can you go to the um proposed motions

4070
02:31:24,080 --> 02:31:24,800
page?

4071
02:31:24,800 --> 02:31:26,399
>> Well, and then just one other comment as

4072
02:31:26,399 --> 02:31:28,240
we're working on our accessory dwelling

4073
02:31:28,240 --> 02:31:31,600
and height and all of those things.

4074
02:31:31,600 --> 02:31:35,359
anything we do right now would supersede

4075
02:31:35,359 --> 02:31:36,800
those changes that we're looking at

4076
02:31:36,800 --> 02:31:40,240
making in the future. Correct.

4077
02:31:40,240 --> 02:31:42,880
>> The the code today would apply. Right.

4078
02:31:42,880 --> 02:31:46,080
>> Right. So, as we're working on

4079
02:31:46,080 --> 02:31:48,000
protecting view corridors, as we're

4080
02:31:48,000 --> 02:31:53,120
working on um making sure that

4081
02:31:53,120 --> 02:31:56,080
the identity of Alpine is maintained and

4082
02:31:56,080 --> 02:31:58,720
we're looking at massing and bulking and

4083
02:31:58,720 --> 02:32:00,319
all of the things that we're looking at

4084
02:32:00,319 --> 02:32:04,399
reviewing and implementing,

4085
02:32:04,399 --> 02:32:07,840
that would not apply to anything that if

4086
02:32:07,840 --> 02:32:10,800
it was changed today. Correct.

4087
02:32:10,800 --> 02:32:11,600
>> Yeah, that's correct.

4088
02:32:11,600 --> 02:32:14,479
>> Okay. Could I ask one more question?

4089
02:32:14,479 --> 02:32:16,800
Just because it seems like the intent is

4090
02:32:16,800 --> 02:32:20,319
to build a barn um that cannot be a

4091
02:32:20,319 --> 02:32:22,960
detached ADU like it can't have

4092
02:32:22,960 --> 02:32:26,000
>> a living quarters in it. It's just maybe

4093
02:32:26,000 --> 02:32:27,760
more for storage or

4094
02:32:27,760 --> 02:32:30,319
>> and it has to meet all the setbacks

4095
02:32:30,319 --> 02:32:32,080
and everything else that is already in

4096
02:32:32,080 --> 02:32:32,560
place.

4097
02:32:32,560 --> 02:32:33,120
>> Okay.

4098
02:32:33,120 --> 02:32:35,280
>> And usually when we see anything like

4099
02:32:35,280 --> 02:32:38,080
that um Mr. Doxy has come up with an

4100
02:32:38,080 --> 02:32:40,640
agreement where they can't do like a

4101
02:32:40,640 --> 02:32:45,680
rental and ED and whatnot. Although

4102
02:32:45,680 --> 02:32:47,600
the state legisl I forgot to follow up

4103
02:32:47,600 --> 02:32:48,720
on that bill. Do you know what happened

4104
02:32:48,720 --> 02:32:49,120
on it?

4105
02:32:49,120 --> 02:32:50,160
>> It's in limbo.

4106
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:51,840
>> We looked We don't think it passed.

4107
02:32:51,840 --> 02:32:53,439
>> Okay. A little bit.

4108
02:32:53,439 --> 02:32:55,120
>> I thought it was going to pass. Everyone

4109
02:32:55,120 --> 02:32:57,120
>> we got it changed to 11,000.

4110
02:32:57,120 --> 02:32:58,479
>> Kane and I looked at it today and it

4111
02:32:58,479 --> 02:32:59,439
said dead.

4112
02:32:59,439 --> 02:33:01,439
>> I'm notware. I'm not aware that the

4113
02:33:01,439 --> 02:33:02,880
detached ADUs passed.

4114
02:33:02,880 --> 02:33:05,280
>> Okay. So, we do have an agreement that

4115
02:33:05,280 --> 02:33:07,120
is um on the

4116
02:33:07,120 --> 02:33:09,120
>> It's for non-residential accessory

4117
02:33:09,120 --> 02:33:11,840
structures. It's um yeah, it's recorded

4118
02:33:11,840 --> 02:33:14,319
with the county the agreement. So that

4119
02:33:14,319 --> 02:33:15,840
it prevents that.

4120
02:33:15,840 --> 02:33:17,040
>> So with that being said,

4121
02:33:17,040 --> 02:33:18,880
>> one last comment that the sample motion

4122
02:33:18,880 --> 02:33:20,720
is worded incorrectly, just so you know.

4123
02:33:20,720 --> 02:33:21,520
So

4124
02:33:21,520 --> 02:33:23,439
>> make a motion. It needs to be

4125
02:33:23,439 --> 02:33:25,680
>> for more than a five second.

4126
02:33:25,680 --> 02:33:26,000
>> Okay.

4127
02:33:26,000 --> 02:33:28,000
>> And that's that's my fault, not Ryan's.

4128
02:33:28,000 --> 02:33:28,960
I wrote it.

4129
02:33:28,960 --> 02:33:31,840
>> Okay. So with that, I will

4130
02:33:31,840 --> 02:33:33,040
>> accept it.

4131
02:33:33,040 --> 02:33:36,319
>> I will um entertain a motion.

4132
02:33:36,319 --> 02:33:38,640
>> Oh, I did have one question. Sorry. um

4133
02:33:38,640 --> 02:33:39,920
your comment about the difference

4134
02:33:39,920 --> 02:33:42,640
between a parcel and a lot. So, a parcel

4135
02:33:42,640 --> 02:33:45,600
cannot have a home on it.

4136
02:33:45,600 --> 02:33:48,479
>> There's a parcel may have a home on it.

4137
02:33:48,479 --> 02:33:50,880
This particular parcel, if it's left as

4138
02:33:50,880 --> 02:33:53,359
a parcel and not combined with the with

4139
02:33:53,359 --> 02:33:56,319
the lot that's adjacent to it, would not

4140
02:33:56,319 --> 02:33:57,840
be able to have a home because it

4141
02:33:57,840 --> 02:34:00,000
doesn't have sufficient frontage.

4142
02:34:00,000 --> 02:34:03,040
>> But in any other circumstances,

4143
02:34:03,040 --> 02:34:05,840
what does it mean? Well, and and people

4144
02:34:05,840 --> 02:34:08,399
say parcel and lot interchangeably, but

4145
02:34:08,399 --> 02:34:11,120
the technical term in the code and both

4146
02:34:11,120 --> 02:34:14,319
the Utah State code and in our own code

4147
02:34:14,319 --> 02:34:17,760
is that a parcel is any land that's not

4148
02:34:17,760 --> 02:34:19,120
in a subdivision.

4149
02:34:19,120 --> 02:34:19,439
>> Okay.

4150
02:34:19,439 --> 02:34:22,479
>> So, a lot is a is

4151
02:34:22,479 --> 02:34:24,240
basically a parcel, but it's in a

4152
02:34:24,240 --> 02:34:25,439
recorded subdivision.

4153
02:34:25,439 --> 02:34:25,840
>> Okay.

4154
02:34:25,840 --> 02:34:27,680
>> I remembered my second question if I can

4155
02:34:27,680 --> 02:34:29,680
do that unless you're not finished. Um,

4156
02:34:29,680 --> 02:34:35,200
I just feel like um I I I hear you with what you're saying with the

4157
02:34:35,200 --> 02:34:37,359
concerns being voiced by residents. I've

4158
02:34:37,359 --> 02:34:39,760
heard them too. I do I've said this

4159
02:34:39,760 --> 02:34:42,080
before and I'll just repeat it. um that

4160
02:34:42,080 --> 02:34:46,080
we're going to attempt to limit or put a

4161
02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:49,600
buffer to to the um

4162
02:34:49,600 --> 02:34:53,439
whatever however you describe these new building things that are

4163
02:34:53,439 --> 02:34:56,080
coming along through massing um limiting

4164
02:34:56,080 --> 02:34:59,429
our semi

4165
02:34:59,439 --> 02:35:01,359
what's the word Steve semi

4166
02:35:01,359 --> 02:35:02,399
>> impervious surfaces

4167
02:35:02,399 --> 02:35:04,880
>> semi imper I forgot the m semi-imperous

4168
02:35:04,880 --> 02:35:08,160
surfaces um ADU restrictions and other

4169
02:35:08,160 --> 02:35:10,880
things I believe that this particular

4170
02:35:10,880 --> 02:35:13,359
ISS issue is not addressing the resident

4171
02:35:13,359 --> 02:35:15,359
concerns that you're talking about. And

4172
02:35:15,359 --> 02:35:21,680
I believe that when we when we combine a small piece that isn't really usable

4173
02:35:21,680 --> 02:35:25,760
in any other way with um a larger piece,

4174
02:35:25,760 --> 02:35:28,000
it actually does accomplish what our

4175
02:35:28,000 --> 02:35:30,160
residents want, which is a more rural

4176
02:35:30,160 --> 02:35:32,960
feeling, more space between um

4177
02:35:32,960 --> 02:35:35,680
buildings. And so it it actually will

4178
02:35:35,680 --> 02:35:37,200
limit that no other I guess no other

4179
02:35:37,200 --> 02:35:38,880
home could have ever been built, but it

4180
02:35:38,880 --> 02:35:41,040
makes that just creates buffers between

4181
02:35:41,040 --> 02:35:42,960
neighbors and things. So it's making it

4182
02:35:42,960 --> 02:35:45,520
a bigger lot, creating more buffer. Um,

4183
02:35:45,520 --> 02:35:48,479
and it's making it a permanent addition

4184
02:35:48,479 --> 02:35:51,359
to this lot. So we can only ever have

4185
02:35:51,359 --> 02:35:54,479
one residential unit here. I mean other

4186
02:35:54,479 --> 02:35:56,880
than ADU, but I just think it's it's

4187
02:35:56,880 --> 02:35:59,680
adding it's it's enhancing

4188
02:35:59,680 --> 02:36:02,640
um many things about the property just

4189
02:36:02,640 --> 02:36:04,800
creating space and things like that from

4190
02:36:04,800 --> 02:36:06,880
the neighbors.

4191
02:36:06,880 --> 02:36:07,920
>> Thank you.

4192
02:36:07,920 --> 02:36:08,800
>> I'm done.

4193
02:36:08,800 --> 02:36:10,160
>> I remember my second question, but just

4194
02:36:10,160 --> 02:36:12,080
to respond to that since you was uh

4195
02:36:12,080 --> 02:36:14,160
asking, it hasn't done that in the

4196
02:36:14,160 --> 02:36:16,240
examples I've seen. It hasn't enhanced

4197
02:36:16,240 --> 02:36:18,479
and made more open space, nor will this.

4198
02:36:18,479 --> 02:36:20,720
It will make less open space because it

4199
02:36:20,720 --> 02:36:22,720
will get filled with bigger buildings.

4200
02:36:22,720 --> 02:36:24,640
So, it hasn't done that. I wish it had.

4201
02:36:24,640 --> 02:36:26,560
And also to bring up your Well, hold on.

4202
02:36:26,560 --> 02:36:27,920
Let me just address what you said.

4203
02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:28,960
>> No, that's what I was going to say is

4204
02:36:28,960 --> 02:36:30,399
the big bigger buildings need to be

4205
02:36:30,399 --> 02:36:31,600
addressed through massing, not through

4206
02:36:31,600 --> 02:36:34,160
lot sizes, lot lines and stuff. That's

4207
02:36:34,160 --> 02:36:34,479
not

4208
02:36:34,479 --> 02:36:35,920
>> Sure. Sure. But just to address it on

4209
02:36:35,920 --> 02:36:38,479
the massing and all those uh ordinances

4210
02:36:38,479 --> 02:36:40,880
that you're bringing up. We we have an

4211
02:36:40,880 --> 02:36:42,880
ordinance for lot size and you're just

4212
02:36:42,880 --> 02:36:44,640
throwing that one out because we're

4213
02:36:44,640 --> 02:36:46,399
breaking it completely right now. So So

4214
02:36:46,399 --> 02:36:48,000
why why do we hold so fast to these

4215
02:36:48,000 --> 02:36:49,280
other ones and then just break the other

4216
02:36:49,280 --> 02:36:50,319
one?

4217
02:36:50,319 --> 02:36:51,840
>> Lot size or minimum lot size?

4218
02:36:51,840 --> 02:36:53,520
>> Yeah. Andrew, do you did what was your

4219
02:36:53,520 --> 02:36:54,240
second question?

4220
02:36:54,240 --> 02:36:55,280
>> Second question was this, and this is

4221
02:36:55,280 --> 02:36:57,359
where I hope we can find a compromise.

4222
02:36:57,359 --> 02:37:00,080
Is there any way, Mr. Doxy, we can grant

4223
02:37:00,080 --> 02:37:04,880
a uh exception or a permit for him for

4224
02:37:04,880 --> 02:37:08,640
the owner to build a barn but not break

4225
02:37:08,640 --> 02:37:15,760
our ordinances on uh lot sides? Could we help meet him in the middle

4226
02:37:15,760 --> 02:37:18,240
where we can help him build a barn but

4227
02:37:18,240 --> 02:37:21,359
not crush and follow the we'll crush the

4228
02:37:21,359 --> 02:37:22,800
ordinance of

4229
02:37:22,800 --> 02:37:25,439
>> lot sides and uh continue to do what

4230
02:37:25,439 --> 02:37:26,399
we've been doing that hasn't been

4231
02:37:26,399 --> 02:37:28,000
working in Alpine. Is there any way we

4232
02:37:28,000 --> 02:37:29,600
can get him an exception on a parcel to

4233
02:37:29,600 --> 02:37:30,000
build?

4234
02:37:30,000 --> 02:37:32,560
>> That would require a text amendment and

4235
02:37:32,560 --> 02:37:34,960
that would apply that a text amendment

4236
02:37:34,960 --> 02:37:36,240
to our code

4237
02:37:36,240 --> 02:37:38,240
>> if you wanted to allow accessory

4238
02:37:38,240 --> 02:37:41,840
structures with no primary dwelling on

4239
02:37:41,840 --> 02:37:44,560
the on the parcel or the lot. That would

4240
02:37:44,560 --> 02:37:45,760
be a text amendment.

4241
02:37:45,760 --> 02:37:47,439
>> Okay. Thank you, Mr. Doxy. I'll

4242
02:37:47,439 --> 02:37:48,960
entertain a motion.

4243
02:37:48,960 --> 02:37:52,479
>> Okay. I move to approve Oh, glasses. I

4244
02:37:52,479 --> 02:37:55,520
move to approve the proposal for a more

4245
02:37:55,520 --> 02:37:59,040
than five-sided lot at 1147 East

4246
02:37:59,040 --> 02:38:01,680
Mountain View Drive with the following

4247
02:38:01,680 --> 02:38:04,240
conditions or changes. My only uh

4248
02:38:04,240 --> 02:38:06,080
suggestion on the condition is that we

4249
02:38:06,080 --> 02:38:10,240
identify which lines um which setbacks

4250
02:38:10,240 --> 02:38:15,680
apply to prior to uh recording the lot

4251
02:38:15,680 --> 02:38:19,600
or the change um at the county level

4252
02:38:19,600 --> 02:38:21,200
just administratively.

4253
02:38:21,200 --> 02:38:25,590
>> I like that. Is there a second?

4254
02:38:25,600 --> 02:38:27,120
» I'll second that.

4255
02:38:27,120 --> 02:38:29,040
>> It's been u moved by Councilwoman

4256
02:38:29,040 --> 02:38:31,600
Hanimman, seconded by Councilwoman

4257
02:38:31,600 --> 02:38:33,120
Blackwell.

4258
02:38:33,120 --> 02:38:34,720
Any further discussions?

4259
02:38:34,720 --> 02:38:39,040
>> Is on the conditions, Mr. Doxy, can

4260
02:38:39,040 --> 02:38:41,520
something go in that says that view

4261
02:38:41,520 --> 02:38:43,680
corridors cannot be blocked by structure

4262
02:38:43,680 --> 02:38:46,560
or some kind of parameters around the

4263
02:38:46,560 --> 02:38:48,399
building that they build? Because there

4264
02:38:48,399 --> 02:38:52,240
are many examples where someone has

4265
02:38:52,240 --> 02:38:56,479
built a barn and probably

4266
02:38:56,479 --> 02:39:01,120
removed 90% of the neighbors views.

4267
02:39:01,120 --> 02:39:03,520
>> My understanding is that views are not

4268
02:39:03,520 --> 02:39:05,280
protected in the Utah State

4269
02:39:05,280 --> 02:39:07,040
Constitution.

4270
02:39:07,040 --> 02:39:08,319
Is that correct?

4271
02:39:08,319 --> 02:39:08,960
>> Exception.

4272
02:39:08,960 --> 02:39:10,800
>> I know, but I was talking to So you want

4273
02:39:10,800 --> 02:39:12,000
to go against the Utah State

4274
02:39:12,000 --> 02:39:12,640
Constitution?

4275
02:39:12,640 --> 02:39:14,399
>> No, it doesn't say that views are not

4276
02:39:14,399 --> 02:39:14,640
protected.

4277
02:39:14,640 --> 02:39:16,720
>> It does. I was I've been up at the state

4278
02:39:16,720 --> 02:39:18,640
I've been at the state legislature a lot

4279
02:39:18,640 --> 02:39:21,439
and discussed this because we're trying

4280
02:39:21,439 --> 02:39:23,920
to figure out how do we do this in a way

4281
02:39:23,920 --> 02:39:26,160
that is legally defensible and they're

4282
02:39:26,160 --> 02:39:28,560
like well the well don't you know that

4283
02:39:28,560 --> 02:39:30,720
views are not protected by the Utah

4284
02:39:30,720 --> 02:39:33,359
state constitution and I've had that

4285
02:39:33,359 --> 02:39:37,600
told me by several people up there so so

4286
02:39:37,600 --> 02:39:40,399
is that correct Mr. D. So what I would

4287
02:39:40,399 --> 02:39:41,439
suggest land

4288
02:39:41,439 --> 02:39:43,280
>> clarification

4289
02:39:43,280 --> 02:39:45,200
>> one of the functions of land use

4290
02:39:45,200 --> 02:39:47,840
regulations which include height and

4291
02:39:47,840 --> 02:39:50,080
setback restrictions

4292
02:39:50,080 --> 02:39:52,000
is to

4293
02:39:52,000 --> 02:39:52,399
>> help

4294
02:39:52,399 --> 02:39:55,439
>> is to help with that or accomplish that.

4295
02:39:55,439 --> 02:39:57,680
So, I would suggest if you're concerned

4296
02:39:57,680 --> 02:40:01,760
about that that you review specifically

4297
02:40:01,760 --> 02:40:03,600
or have the planning commission review

4298
02:40:03,600 --> 02:40:07,280
and make a recommendation to you on

4299
02:40:07,280 --> 02:40:09,840
setbacks and height restrictions for

4300
02:40:09,840 --> 02:40:13,439
accessory structures in particular

4301
02:40:13,439 --> 02:40:15,120
um

4302
02:40:15,120 --> 02:40:17,680
you know in in particular areas or

4303
02:40:17,680 --> 02:40:20,560
citywide you know depending on the zone

4304
02:40:20,560 --> 02:40:22,479
or otherwise.

4305
02:40:22,479 --> 02:40:23,840
That's the direction

4306
02:40:23,840 --> 02:40:27,200
>> that would be the way to to kind of

4307
02:40:27,200 --> 02:40:28,560
achieve that purpose.

4308
02:40:28,560 --> 02:40:31,040
>> And I believe our ordinance has that if

4309
02:40:31,040 --> 02:40:33,920
you for the if you have a higher you're

4310
02:40:33,920 --> 02:40:36,160
still at the height restriction, but if

4311
02:40:36,160 --> 02:40:37,200
you're building at a certain height, it

4312
02:40:37,200 --> 02:40:40,000
has to have a greater side setback.

4313
02:40:40,000 --> 02:40:42,319
>> Is that Yes. Correct. Yes. For

4314
02:40:42,319 --> 02:40:44,240
>> it does account for that. So if it's in

4315
02:40:44,240 --> 02:40:46,399
it's if it's insufficient

4316
02:40:46,399 --> 02:40:49,200
protection in the in the mind of council

4317
02:40:49,200 --> 02:40:50,640
members, then yeah, we go back to the

4318
02:40:50,640 --> 02:40:53,600
drawing board and if we remedy that.

4319
02:40:53,600 --> 02:40:55,760
>> But we don't have that in place today as

4320
02:40:55,760 --> 02:40:57,200
we're looking at this exception

4321
02:40:57,200 --> 02:40:59,680
>> for accessory buildings. We do have so

4322
02:40:59,680 --> 02:41:02,720
you can you can go up to 20 ft tall at

4323
02:41:02,720 --> 02:41:07,040
the minimum setbacks in that zone. Uh

4324
02:41:07,040 --> 02:41:09,359
but if you have an additional two feet

4325
02:41:09,359 --> 02:41:12,000
of setback in each direction, you can go

4326
02:41:12,000 --> 02:41:12,640
up to 30.

4327
02:41:12,640 --> 02:41:14,160
>> But again, it's been proven to be

4328
02:41:14,160 --> 02:41:16,000
insufficient. So I understand it.

4329
02:41:16,000 --> 02:41:18,000
>> No, no, no, no. you're talking about the

4330
02:41:18,000 --> 02:41:20,479
reason where it's become insufficient is

4331
02:41:20,479 --> 02:41:22,640
it's not necessarily a detached

4332
02:41:22,640 --> 02:41:25,439
accessory. It's been when people have

4333
02:41:25,439 --> 02:41:28,720
attached it with a breezeway or a what's

4334
02:41:28,720 --> 02:41:29,200
another

4335
02:41:29,200 --> 02:41:30,800
>> well both it's been in

4336
02:41:30,800 --> 02:41:32,720
>> it's there's multiple areas where it's

4337
02:41:32,720 --> 02:41:36,240
been a detached barn that then has

4338
02:41:36,240 --> 02:41:37,840
been talking about

4339
02:41:37,840 --> 02:41:39,760
>> can I follow up with what Mr. you just

4340
02:41:39,760 --> 02:41:41,359
said really quick just to so before I

4341
02:41:41,359 --> 02:41:43,040
forget you you mentioned height.

4342
02:41:43,040 --> 02:41:44,880
>> I think we need a vote at some point.

4343
02:41:44,880 --> 02:41:46,800
We've got a motion. We have a motion and

4344
02:41:46,800 --> 02:41:49,200
a second on the floor. We can't digress.

4345
02:41:49,200 --> 02:41:50,479
>> She asked for discussion.

4346
02:41:50,479 --> 02:41:52,080
>> I know we're just discussing and he

4347
02:41:52,080 --> 02:41:53,280
brought up a point and so I wanted to

4348
02:41:53,280 --> 02:41:55,359
follow up with it. We try to give you

4349
02:41:55,359 --> 02:41:57,840
the same respect when you have concerns.

4350
02:41:57,840 --> 02:41:59,680
>> Anyways, uh Mr. Doxy, you brought up

4351
02:41:59,680 --> 02:42:02,960
height and setbacks. Would you not also

4352
02:42:02,960 --> 02:42:07,359
agree that uh um grading can also be

4353
02:42:07,359 --> 02:42:08,720
just as instrumental because that's

4354
02:42:08,720 --> 02:42:09,920
actually where we're experiencing most

4355
02:42:09,920 --> 02:42:11,760
of our problems. The 20 ft is pretty

4356
02:42:11,760 --> 02:42:13,920
good and the other setbacks work. The

4357
02:42:13,920 --> 02:42:16,240
problem is we change that anytime we

4358
02:42:16,240 --> 02:42:17,040
want with

4359
02:42:17,040 --> 02:42:18,800
>> those are those are all considerations

4360
02:42:18,800 --> 02:42:21,439
that you can bring up in context of a

4361
02:42:21,439 --> 02:42:23,439
text amendment or a code amendment.

4362
02:42:23,439 --> 02:42:23,920
>> Okay.

4363
02:42:23,920 --> 02:42:26,160
>> Um right now there's no building permit

4364
02:42:26,160 --> 02:42:27,840
application. And all this, as I

4365
02:42:27,840 --> 02:42:31,120
understand it, is an application for a

4366
02:42:31,120 --> 02:42:33,359
subdivision amendment that would allow

4367
02:42:33,359 --> 02:42:36,399
this parcel to be combined with the lot.

4368
02:42:36,399 --> 02:42:37,120
>> Yes.

4369
02:42:37,120 --> 02:42:38,880
>> That's that's all that's before you

4370
02:42:38,880 --> 02:42:40,960
today. And staff has already

4371
02:42:40,960 --> 02:42:43,280
conditionally granted that subdivision

4372
02:42:43,280 --> 02:42:45,760
amendment conditioned on approval of

4373
02:42:45,760 --> 02:42:48,640
more than five sides for the lot. And so

4374
02:42:48,640 --> 02:42:50,560
that's what's before you now. Do we give

4375
02:42:50,560 --> 02:42:52,560
them a lot that's more than five sides

4376
02:42:52,560 --> 02:42:55,120
or do we say no, we'll stick with five

4377
02:42:55,120 --> 02:42:57,520
sides or less? I understand. Thank you.

4378
02:42:57,520 --> 02:42:59,200
>> Okay, so let's proceed with a roll call

4379
02:42:59,200 --> 02:43:00,720
vote starting from Councilwoman

4380
02:43:00,720 --> 02:43:01,439
Blackwell.

4381
02:43:01,439 --> 02:43:02,960
>> Sarah Blackwell, yes.

4382
02:43:02,960 --> 02:43:04,240
>> Chrissy Hannaman, yes.

4383
02:43:04,240 --> 02:43:06,479
>> Andrew Young, no. Brent Rmler, yes.

4384
02:43:06,479 --> 02:43:08,240
>> Jessica Smun, no.

4385
02:43:08,240 --> 02:43:11,280
>> Okay, motion passes. Okay, let's move on

4386
02:43:11,280 --> 02:43:14,240
to item B, resolution R26,

4387
02:43:14,240 --> 02:43:17,120
R2026-10.

4388
02:43:17,120 --> 02:43:21,280
Um, did you want to go over this or is

4389
02:43:21,280 --> 02:43:23,040
Brian doing this? I can't remember. So

4390
02:43:23,040 --> 02:43:24,720
I'll just give a brief and then he can

4391
02:43:24,720 --> 02:43:26,800
fill in the gaps because he knows this

4392
02:43:26,800 --> 02:43:30,319
very well. So the issue here is uh

4393
02:43:30,319 --> 02:43:32,399
they're trying to correct uh a

4394
02:43:32,399 --> 02:43:35,600
discrepancy between the the city

4395
02:43:35,600 --> 02:43:39,920
boundary and the deed lot line. Um so

4396
02:43:39,920 --> 02:43:42,240
Draper city has already went through

4397
02:43:42,240 --> 02:43:44,000
this process at least the front end of

4398
02:43:44,000 --> 02:43:45,600
it.

4399
02:43:45,600 --> 02:43:46,479
Um [clears throat]

4400
02:43:46,479 --> 02:43:48,880
so so the process to adjust a boundary

4401
02:43:48,880 --> 02:43:51,680
is to approve a resolution that you're

4402
02:43:51,680 --> 02:43:52,960
basically

4403
02:43:52,960 --> 02:43:56,560
willing to look at this, then um state

4404
02:43:56,560 --> 02:43:58,560
law requires a public hearing to be held

4405
02:43:58,560 --> 02:44:01,200
no sooner than 60 days after an action.

4406
02:44:01,200 --> 02:44:03,279
Say if you approve this resolution

4407
02:44:03,279 --> 02:44:05,680
tonight, it can't be any sooner than 60

4408
02:44:05,680 --> 02:44:09,040
days from now, you'd have the public

4409
02:44:09,040 --> 02:44:11,840
hearing, let the public comment, and

4410
02:44:11,840 --> 02:44:14,560
then you can vote. So, it would take a

4411
02:44:14,560 --> 02:44:16,800
positive vote to adjust the city

4412
02:44:16,800 --> 02:44:20,000
boundary from both Draper and Alpine for

4413
02:44:20,000 --> 02:44:24,080
this to happen. And so, um, as I

4414
02:44:24,080 --> 02:44:26,080
understand it, the subdivision was

4415
02:44:26,080 --> 02:44:30,000
originally proposed, um,

4416
02:44:30,000 --> 02:44:34,000
in a way that would meet what they're hoping happens or at least the

4417
02:44:34,000 --> 02:44:36,240
start of it tonight. But for some

4418
02:44:36,240 --> 02:44:38,160
reason, the county recorder made them

4419
02:44:38,160 --> 02:44:41,359
pull that back. And Brian can um, go

4420
02:44:41,359 --> 02:44:43,200
into the details on that because he's

4421
02:44:43,200 --> 02:44:46,240
been very involved with it. Sure.

4422
02:44:46,240 --> 02:44:49,040
>> I guess Jessica, are you in charge now?

4423
02:44:49,040 --> 02:44:53,030
Is it okay if you

4424
02:44:53,040 --> 02:44:54,319
I [laughter] didn't notice the mayor had

4425
02:44:54,319 --> 02:44:54,880
left.

4426
02:44:54,880 --> 02:44:58,560
>> Please approach and state your name.

4427
02:44:58,560 --> 02:45:00,880
>> I'm short so

4428
02:45:00,880 --> 02:45:02,560
number your mother's maiden name please.

4429
02:45:02,560 --> 02:45:03,200
>> Yeah. [laughter]

4430
02:45:03,200 --> 02:45:05,840
>> Name is David T. Mortonson. I'm with

4431
02:45:05,840 --> 02:45:11,120
civil science. Um like he said um this

4432
02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:15,680
is kind of a crazy crazy situation that

4433
02:45:15,680 --> 02:45:19,279
started in 1855.

4434
02:45:19,279 --> 02:45:22,080
long time ago, way before any of us were

4435
02:45:22,080 --> 02:45:25,279
even thought, right? When Alpine decided

4436
02:45:25,279 --> 02:45:29,359
to annex this area, um they started from

4437
02:45:29,359 --> 02:45:33,200
a section and went west,

4438
02:45:33,200 --> 02:45:35,920
176 feet and then just went two miles by

4439
02:45:35,920 --> 02:45:38,880
two miles. So, I don't know if you guys

4440
02:45:38,880 --> 02:45:42,720
know sections very much. So the entire

4441
02:45:42,720 --> 02:45:47,600
US except for the first 15 col first 15

4442
02:45:47,600 --> 02:45:51,120
states out east are split into six mile

4443
02:45:51,120 --> 02:45:54,000
by six mile townships and ranges. Each

4444
02:45:54,000 --> 02:45:56,399
of those are split into mile by mile

4445
02:45:56,399 --> 02:45:58,800
things typically.

4446
02:45:58,800 --> 02:46:01,279
This section is these sections are not

4447
02:46:01,279 --> 02:46:06,720
that. So Alpine just annexed it in 1855

4448
02:46:06,720 --> 02:46:08,399
two mile by two mile thinking that's

4449
02:46:08,399 --> 02:46:10,720
what it was going to be. the sections

4450
02:46:10,720 --> 02:46:12,800
where we're talking about weren't even

4451
02:46:12,800 --> 02:46:14,479
finalized

4452
02:46:14,479 --> 02:46:17,520
for a year later and the actual section

4453
02:46:17,520 --> 02:46:19,600
where we're portion of the section where

4454
02:46:19,600 --> 02:46:22,960
we're at was even later than that. So,

4455
02:46:22,960 --> 02:46:25,120
it's actually a little bit longer than

4456
02:46:25,120 --> 02:46:27,920
the two mile by two mile or mile

4457
02:46:27,920 --> 02:46:31,120
sections east west. It's just bigger

4458
02:46:31,120 --> 02:46:32,880
because mathematically that's what it

4459
02:46:32,880 --> 02:46:36,240
had to be. All all our parcels are based

4460
02:46:36,240 --> 02:46:39,200
on these section lines. The intent of

4461
02:46:39,200 --> 02:46:43,760
that city was to stay that,76

4462
02:46:43,760 --> 02:46:46,800
to the west of the property. That's

4463
02:46:46,800 --> 02:46:48,880
where And I don't know if you can pull

4464
02:46:48,880 --> 02:46:51,359
this up on the county's website.

4465
02:46:51,359 --> 02:46:53,040
>> I don't know.

4466
02:46:53,040 --> 02:46:54,560
>> The parcels

4467
02:46:54,560 --> 02:46:56,319
>> the parcel.

4468
02:46:56,319 --> 02:46:59,040
>> Yeah. On that thing,

4469
02:46:59,040 --> 02:47:01,200
I can kind of explain it a little bit by

4470
02:47:01,200 --> 02:47:06,070
showing this to you guys.

4471
02:47:06,080 --> 02:47:08,160
You can type in a parcel number if you

4472
02:47:08,160 --> 02:47:13,269
wanted to.

4473
02:47:13,279 --> 02:47:17,359
» Uh 11 1 08.

4474
02:47:17,359 --> 02:47:18,240
>> Yeah.

4475
02:47:18,240 --> 02:47:20,000
>> 03.

4476
02:47:20,000 --> 02:47:23,910
Sorry, three zeros.

4477
02:47:23,920 --> 02:47:25,439
» Yeah. And it's just a little further

4478
02:47:25,439 --> 02:47:33,269
north.

4479
02:47:33,279 --> 02:47:37,110
» Yes. Yes.

4480
02:47:37,120 --> 02:47:40,160
» So that's that's the parcel just to the

4481
02:47:40,160 --> 02:47:44,160
north, which the city line um

4482
02:47:44,160 --> 02:47:46,399
Yeah. So we're talking about that one

4483
02:47:46,399 --> 02:47:49,040
plus the two lots to the south there.

4484
02:47:49,040 --> 02:47:52,560
The two lots to the south, the deed line

4485
02:47:52,560 --> 02:47:56,560
for the the 00003 and that whole

4486
02:47:56,560 --> 02:47:59,760
subdivision was over on the west side of

4487
02:47:59,760 --> 02:48:02,240
that gap parcel there.

4488
02:48:02,240 --> 02:48:04,880
That's where it was. The north line of

4489
02:48:04,880 --> 02:48:08,240
that or the west line is basically 1,076

4490
02:48:08,240 --> 02:48:11,200
feet west of the section line, which the

4491
02:48:11,200 --> 02:48:14,080
section line is the east line of that

4492
02:48:14,080 --> 02:48:16,080
subdivision.

4493
02:48:16,080 --> 02:48:20,160
So, the intent of the subdivision was to

4494
02:48:20,160 --> 02:48:22,560
deed or split that one [clears throat]

4495
02:48:22,560 --> 02:48:26,080
big lot into four lots, which they

4496
02:48:26,080 --> 02:48:29,120
actually staked out. That's what the

4497
02:48:29,120 --> 02:48:31,920
deed showed before the plat was done.

4498
02:48:31,920 --> 02:48:34,720
And the plat went through Alpine City

4499
02:48:34,720 --> 02:48:38,000
was approved all the way through which

4500
02:48:38,000 --> 02:48:41,040
was actually signed by everybody in the

4501
02:48:41,040 --> 02:48:44,319
city, the mayor, everybody. It then goes

4502
02:48:44,319 --> 02:48:47,040
down to the county recorder's office and

4503
02:48:47,040 --> 02:48:49,680
the county recorder said, "Hey, wait.

4504
02:48:49,680 --> 02:48:52,640
You can't approve a a subdivision that

4505
02:48:52,640 --> 02:48:56,319
crosses this imaginary city line."

4506
02:48:56,319 --> 02:49:01,040
Right? So they made them erase on a

4507
02:49:01,040 --> 02:49:04,800
myar, which is not an easy task. Erase

4508
02:49:04,800 --> 02:49:07,600
the myar and write in numbers that made

4509
02:49:07,600 --> 02:49:10,240
it shorter and created that little gap

4510
02:49:10,240 --> 02:49:13,760
piece. Now the subdivision, the person

4511
02:49:13,760 --> 02:49:16,399
who did the subdivision, the surveyor

4512
02:49:16,399 --> 02:49:19,680
actually staked out the property for lot

4513
02:49:19,680 --> 02:49:22,000
4, which is that

4514
02:49:22,000 --> 02:49:25,120
00004 parcel.

4515
02:49:25,120 --> 02:49:27,279
If you extend those lines over to the

4516
02:49:27,279 --> 02:49:30,640
west line, that's where the property is

4517
02:49:30,640 --> 02:49:33,359
actually pinned on the ground. That's

4518
02:49:33,359 --> 02:49:35,920
where it is on the ground because that's

4519
02:49:35,920 --> 02:49:38,399
where the property was. That's where

4520
02:49:38,399 --> 02:49:41,520
Alpine City approved it to be. It's just

4521
02:49:41,520 --> 02:49:45,120
because this arbitrary two mile by two

4522
02:49:45,120 --> 02:49:49,680
mile thing city line came in from 1855

4523
02:49:49,680 --> 02:49:51,760
which was before

4524
02:49:51,760 --> 02:49:55,040
that the national surveyors created the

4525
02:49:55,040 --> 02:49:58,000
actual section lines. So the intent of

4526
02:49:58,000 --> 02:50:00,800
these parcels was that west line was to

4527
02:50:00,800 --> 02:50:04,160
be the sub the city line and that's all

4528
02:50:04,160 --> 02:50:06,000
we're trying to fix is just put that

4529
02:50:06,000 --> 02:50:08,640
back where it was intended to be.

4530
02:50:08,640 --> 02:50:12,000
Draper's parcel lines up with that same

4531
02:50:12,000 --> 02:50:14,080
line.

4532
02:50:14,080 --> 02:50:17,760
Draper has no problem with this. We're

4533
02:50:17,760 --> 02:50:19,840
just waiting the time for the 60 days to

4534
02:50:19,840 --> 02:50:21,600
get it approved.

4535
02:50:21,600 --> 02:50:23,439
>> They set their public hearing for April,

4536
02:50:23,439 --> 02:50:23,840
right?

4537
02:50:23,840 --> 02:50:26,319
>> April 7th is when it is.

4538
02:50:26,319 --> 02:50:28,800
>> So, it's about it's roughly 20 feet,

4539
02:50:28,800 --> 02:50:30,720
right? It's it's not cons. It's not

4540
02:50:30,720 --> 02:50:31,840
parallel lines, but

4541
02:50:31,840 --> 02:50:33,760
>> it's not a parallel line. It's a weird

4542
02:50:33,760 --> 02:50:36,080
line. And where the county actually made

4543
02:50:36,080 --> 02:50:39,279
it be doesn't actually match where I see

4544
02:50:39,279 --> 02:50:41,760
that annexation line is. There's three

4545
02:50:41,760 --> 02:50:44,399
lines there, but they just chose this

4546
02:50:44,399 --> 02:50:47,439
arbitrary line. So, we're just trying to

4547
02:50:47,439 --> 02:50:53,750
fix the ambiguity.

4548
02:50:53,760 --> 02:50:56,399
» Right. So, with that parcel, the

4549
02:50:56,399 --> 02:50:58,800
vertical parcel, the narrow strip,

4550
02:50:58,800 --> 02:51:00,640
there's no ownership of that parcel. Is

4551
02:51:00,640 --> 02:51:01,359
that correct?

4552
02:51:01,359 --> 02:51:03,520
>> There's currently no ownership. They

4553
02:51:03,520 --> 02:51:06,160
just created this gap parcel back in

4554
02:51:06,160 --> 02:51:10,880
2017 when they recorded that plat.

4555
02:51:10,880 --> 02:51:12,880
And this this line actually goes through

4556
02:51:12,880 --> 02:51:14,720
that parcel to the north. So, I'm trying

4557
02:51:14,720 --> 02:51:18,640
to fix it for everybody. And this this

4558
02:51:18,640 --> 02:51:21,840
subdivision or this annexation to the

4559
02:51:21,840 --> 02:51:25,040
south has happened several times.

4560
02:51:25,040 --> 02:51:26,960
And so, I'm just trying to match those

4561
02:51:26,960 --> 02:51:30,479
as well to fix it for the property

4562
02:51:30,479 --> 02:51:33,443
owners.

4563
02:51:33,443 --> 02:51:34,319
>> [snorts]

4564
02:51:34,319 --> 02:51:35,439
>> I have a question.

4565
02:51:35,439 --> 02:51:35,840
>> Sure.

4566
02:51:35,840 --> 02:51:37,600
>> Um, it seems like the county was the one

4567
02:51:37,600 --> 02:51:39,359
that had the issue. So, you have Draper,

4568
02:51:39,359 --> 02:51:41,520
you have us. What is the county have to

4569
02:51:41,520 --> 02:51:42,640
say about this?

4570
02:51:42,640 --> 02:51:44,720
>> So, the county surveyor, who is the

4571
02:51:44,720 --> 02:51:47,040
person that has to sign the the the

4572
02:51:47,040 --> 02:51:51,040
boundary annexation plat

4573
02:51:51,040 --> 02:51:53,040
is all for it. He's the one that told me

4574
02:51:53,040 --> 02:51:54,880
to do it this way.

4575
02:51:54,880 --> 02:51:56,560
>> Thank you.

4576
02:51:56,560 --> 02:51:57,840
>> Is it my turn?

4577
02:51:57,840 --> 02:51:59,760
>> Um, go ahead. So, this little sliver

4578
02:51:59,760 --> 02:52:01,439
currently

4579
02:52:01,439 --> 02:52:03,920
is not owned by anyone. Is that

4580
02:52:03,920 --> 02:52:06,640
>> in in the county's eyes? Yes. It's not

4581
02:52:06,640 --> 02:52:08,800
owned by anybody. In my eyes, it's owned

4582
02:52:08,800 --> 02:52:10,960
by the person of lot four and the person

4583
02:52:10,960 --> 02:52:12,240
of lot three

4584
02:52:12,240 --> 02:52:13,840
>> because that was the intent of the

4585
02:52:13,840 --> 02:52:14,960
subdivision.

4586
02:52:14,960 --> 02:52:18,399
>> So, if we decide not to

4587
02:52:18,399 --> 02:52:19,920
annex,

4588
02:52:19,920 --> 02:52:21,920
what happens with that little sliver of

4589
02:52:21,920 --> 02:52:22,319
land?

4590
02:52:22,319 --> 02:52:25,200
>> It just stays the way it is.

4591
02:52:25,200 --> 02:52:27,040
But on the ground it actually is owned

4592
02:52:27,040 --> 02:52:30,160
by lot four and lot three.

4593
02:52:30,160 --> 02:52:32,720
>> Great. I I Can you explain that a little

4594
02:52:32,720 --> 02:52:34,399
bit? Who actually owns the square

4595
02:52:34,399 --> 02:52:36,560
footage of that dirt

4596
02:52:36,560 --> 02:52:40,000
>> currently? Nobody. Per the assessor's

4597
02:52:40,000 --> 02:52:42,720
plat, nobody owns that gap.

4598
02:52:42,720 --> 02:52:44,399
>> Sorry, Sarah. Is that what you

4599
02:52:44,399 --> 02:52:47,359
>> But the intent of the subdivision and

4600
02:52:47,359 --> 02:52:50,000
where it's marked on the ground, lot

4601
02:52:50,000 --> 02:52:52,720
four and lot three of that subdivision

4602
02:52:52,720 --> 02:52:55,840
have more claim than anybody else to

4603
02:52:55,840 --> 02:52:56,720
that land.

4604
02:52:56,720 --> 02:52:59,120
>> But currently as stands, they do not own

4605
02:52:59,120 --> 02:53:01,359
that little sliver of land.

4606
02:53:01,359 --> 02:53:04,399
>> So by title, no. By

4607
02:53:04,399 --> 02:53:04,880
>> okay,

4608
02:53:04,880 --> 02:53:06,479
>> actually on the ground, yes.

4609
02:53:06,479 --> 02:53:08,560
>> So if it's not approved to be annexed,

4610
02:53:08,560 --> 02:53:10,479
they're not allowed to put a fence or

4611
02:53:10,479 --> 02:53:12,560
build or anything in that sliver. Is

4612
02:53:12,560 --> 02:53:13,920
that correct?

4613
02:53:13,920 --> 02:53:16,479
>> That again is up to a lawyer. I'm not a

4614
02:53:16,479 --> 02:53:19,040
lawyer. So in my opinion that the ground

4615
02:53:19,040 --> 02:53:19,840
is

4616
02:53:19,840 --> 02:53:23,120
>> in dealing with the county and their

4617
02:53:23,120 --> 02:53:24,800
lawyers regarding a couple of other

4618
02:53:24,800 --> 02:53:27,600
things that we discussed. Um

4619
02:53:27,600 --> 02:53:31,520
yeah, so it just stays no man's land.

4620
02:53:31,520 --> 02:53:33,279
>> No one to No one's objecting to this,

4621
02:53:33,279 --> 02:53:35,120
right? The countyy's not

4622
02:53:35,120 --> 02:53:37,040
>> county's not objecting to it. Draper is

4623
02:53:37,040 --> 02:53:38,640
all for it.

4624
02:53:38,640 --> 02:53:41,359
>> Everybody's for it. There is no there's

4625
02:53:41,359 --> 02:53:43,680
no reason to have a gap piece of land in

4626
02:53:43,680 --> 02:53:47,040
the in the world. There's not an intent

4627
02:53:47,040 --> 02:53:48,960
to ever do that. There should not be

4628
02:53:48,960 --> 02:53:50,720
gaps in people's land.

4629
02:53:50,720 --> 02:53:52,640
>> And if we add it, that's a And if we add

4630
02:53:52,640 --> 02:53:54,240
it, that's a little more property tax we

4631
02:53:54,240 --> 02:53:55,359
can collect.

4632
02:53:55,359 --> 02:53:57,359
>> It is 100% little bit.

4633
02:53:57,359 --> 02:53:58,800
>> Wait, are we just freeing or we doing

4634
02:53:58,800 --> 02:54:00,880
the thing where we go? It's okay.

4635
02:54:00,880 --> 02:54:02,399
>> Okay. Um again,

4636
02:54:02,399 --> 02:54:05,760
>> so my understanding is we're just saying

4637
02:54:05,760 --> 02:54:08,399
that we're going to um that we're going

4638
02:54:08,399 --> 02:54:10,240
to basically be scheduling a hearing,

4639
02:54:10,240 --> 02:54:10,880
right?

4640
02:54:10,880 --> 02:54:12,399
>> Yes.

4641
02:54:12,399 --> 02:54:15,040
>> Sorry, one last question. If we do annex

4642
02:54:15,040 --> 02:54:17,120
it in, it automatically is assumed that

4643
02:54:17,120 --> 02:54:19,600
it belongs to these two land owners. Is

4644
02:54:19,600 --> 02:54:20,479
that correct?

4645
02:54:20,479 --> 02:54:23,200
>> In the way of some surveyors, yes. In

4646
02:54:23,200 --> 02:54:25,359
the way of title, maybe not.

4647
02:54:25,359 --> 02:54:27,520
>> Okay. So, if we don't annex it, it still

4648
02:54:27,520 --> 02:54:28,720
stays a buffer.

4649
02:54:28,720 --> 02:54:31,200
>> There there are lands there. There are

4650
02:54:31,200 --> 02:54:33,680
laws that you can do a boundary

4651
02:54:33,680 --> 02:54:36,880
adjustment between those pieces

4652
02:54:36,880 --> 02:54:39,439
now per the state that just happened

4653
02:54:39,439 --> 02:54:40,880
last year.

4654
02:54:40,880 --> 02:54:42,479
>> Okay.

4655
02:54:42,479 --> 02:54:45,279
>> Or there's ways that you as a city can

4656
02:54:45,279 --> 02:54:48,160
force us to do it. If we wanted to do

4657
02:54:48,160 --> 02:54:49,920
anything different with the land, then

4658
02:54:49,920 --> 02:54:51,279
we would have to go through your

4659
02:54:51,279 --> 02:54:52,160
process.

4660
02:54:52,160 --> 02:54:54,080
>> And is there, and this is maybe more for

4661
02:54:54,080 --> 02:54:56,000
Shane, are there any advantages to

4662
02:54:56,000 --> 02:55:00,399
having a buffer as a city?

4663
02:55:00,399 --> 02:55:02,720
the property to the west is developing

4664
02:55:02,720 --> 02:55:04,479
right now.

4665
02:55:04,479 --> 02:55:07,510
>> Um

4666
02:55:07,520 --> 02:55:11,920
» I'm just thinking access to open space.

4667
02:55:11,920 --> 02:55:17,030
>> Yeah. Um

4668
02:55:17,040 --> 02:55:19,200
I mean I guess depends on how you look

4669
02:55:19,200 --> 02:55:21,760
at we if you go to the north up to the

4670
02:55:21,760 --> 02:55:23,439
hard vigen parcel the first one that

4671
02:55:23,439 --> 02:55:24,560
Heidi pulled up.

4672
02:55:24,560 --> 02:55:25,600
>> Yes.

4673
02:55:25,600 --> 02:55:27,520
>> It doesn't appear that that gap is

4674
02:55:27,520 --> 02:55:28,560
there. is that

4675
02:55:28,560 --> 02:55:30,399
>> that's because the de they didn't

4676
02:55:30,399 --> 02:55:32,960
subdivide their lot. So if this other

4677
02:55:32,960 --> 02:55:35,120
parcel wasn't subdivided, it would still

4678
02:55:35,120 --> 02:55:36,399
be a part of that.

4679
02:55:36,399 --> 02:55:38,160
>> If you laid the city boundary on here,

4680
02:55:38,160 --> 02:55:39,279
it would show

4681
02:55:39,279 --> 02:55:40,560
>> Yep.

4682
02:55:40,560 --> 02:55:44,080
>> which is if you show that uh the amended

4683
02:55:44,080 --> 02:55:49,120
or the annexation plot that's in your packet. That's where I'm showing

4684
02:55:49,120 --> 02:55:51,200
the line to change.

4685
02:55:51,200 --> 02:55:52,080
>> And

4686
02:55:52,080 --> 02:55:54,000
>> but I guess if I can just

4687
02:55:54,000 --> 02:55:56,560
>> Yeah. Sorry.

4688
02:55:56,560 --> 02:55:59,359
If there's a gap there, it doesn't mean

4689
02:55:59,359 --> 02:56:01,600
that it's the cities.

4690
02:56:01,600 --> 02:56:02,240
>> It's not.

4691
02:56:02,240 --> 02:56:03,279
>> That makes sense.

4692
02:56:03,279 --> 02:56:04,720
>> Yeah.

4693
02:56:04,720 --> 02:56:07,840
>> But Alpine does own the lot below it.

4694
02:56:07,840 --> 02:56:10,560
>> Below that little sliver,

4695
02:56:10,560 --> 02:56:12,399
>> but the ones to the west and north are

4696
02:56:12,399 --> 02:56:14,080
private private land.

4697
02:56:14,080 --> 02:56:21,190
>> That's correct.

4698
02:56:21,200 --> 02:56:22,000
questions.

4699
02:56:22,000 --> 02:56:23,520
>> Anybody else have any other

4700
02:56:23,520 --> 02:56:25,200
>> right now? It's just open space, but I

4701
02:56:25,200 --> 02:56:27,680
have seen where there's not a good

4702
02:56:27,680 --> 02:56:30,560
lineup of fences and nobody. I mean,

4703
02:56:30,560 --> 02:56:32,399
this is a very developed urban area,

4704
02:56:32,399 --> 02:56:34,560
which is not what we're talking about.

4705
02:56:34,560 --> 02:56:36,640
And it becomes like a weed patch and

4706
02:56:36,640 --> 02:56:39,600
full of like beer cans and hang out

4707
02:56:39,600 --> 02:56:42,880
where people shouldn't. So, I've been in

4708
02:56:42,880 --> 02:56:43,920
more urban [clears throat] areas than

4709
02:56:43,920 --> 02:56:46,720
alpine. So, I I I can see how it would

4710
02:56:46,720 --> 02:56:49,359
be a disadvantage if this were an urban

4711
02:56:49,359 --> 02:56:52,080
area, but I never thought of it like my

4712
02:56:52,080 --> 02:56:54,240
council person that maybe this is just

4713
02:56:54,240 --> 02:56:57,520
empty land, a 20 foot strip access to

4714
02:56:57,520 --> 02:56:59,040
all these trails that are getting cut

4715
02:56:59,040 --> 02:57:02,399
off. So, um you're not a land person,

4716
02:57:02,399 --> 02:57:06,319
but we do have a lawyer here. Is that

4717
02:57:06,319 --> 02:57:08,479
like what what do you think, Steve?

4718
02:57:08,479 --> 02:57:10,720
Like, is that a pie in the sky that we'd

4719
02:57:10,720 --> 02:57:12,160
have unlimited access to all those

4720
02:57:12,160 --> 02:57:14,080
trails through that little strip of

4721
02:57:14,080 --> 02:57:15,200
land?

4722
02:57:15,200 --> 02:57:16,880
>> Who who owns that strip of land

4723
02:57:16,880 --> 02:57:18,000
currently? Nobody.

4724
02:57:18,000 --> 02:57:20,960
>> Everybody in the United States.

4725
02:57:20,960 --> 02:57:23,040
>> Well, technically it's owned by the

4726
02:57:23,040 --> 02:57:24,960
person that did the subdivision is what

4727
02:57:24,960 --> 02:57:28,560
the county recorder would say. But the

4728
02:57:28,560 --> 02:57:30,800
intent of the plat is that it's part of

4729
02:57:30,800 --> 02:57:34,080
those lots four and lot three. And so

4730
02:57:34,080 --> 02:57:37,600
those truthfully, and I would take this

4731
02:57:37,600 --> 02:57:40,560
to court, would be those that's owned by

4732
02:57:40,560 --> 02:57:41,279
them.

4733
02:57:41,279 --> 02:57:42,640
>> Okay.

4734
02:57:42,640 --> 02:57:46,000
>> As a land surveyor, I would say that.

4735
02:57:46,000 --> 02:57:48,479
And I'm not the only one that says that.

4736
02:57:48,479 --> 02:57:50,160
I've talked to several other land

4737
02:57:50,160 --> 02:57:52,160
surveyors in the state and they all say

4738
02:57:52,160 --> 02:57:53,120
the same thing.

4739
02:57:53,120 --> 02:57:54,399
>> Okay.

4740
02:57:54,399 --> 02:57:56,000
>> I I just had a couple questions. Thanks

4741
02:57:56,000 --> 02:57:56,640
for coming.

4742
02:57:56,640 --> 02:57:59,760
>> Sure. Um current I I read through it all

4743
02:57:59,760 --> 02:58:01,920
and um it's very interesting and I just

4744
02:58:01,920 --> 02:58:05,680
had some questions on 004 the the I

4745
02:58:05,680 --> 02:58:07,359
believe it the Whitbecks. Is that who

4746
02:58:07,359 --> 02:58:07,840
lives there?

4747
02:58:07,840 --> 02:58:10,000
>> Yep. That's their lot. Yes.

4748
02:58:10,000 --> 02:58:11,359
>> Beautiful area.

4749
02:58:11,359 --> 02:58:13,279
>> I read that uh I tried to call. Sorry if

4750
02:58:13,279 --> 02:58:14,800
I wasn't able to get a hold of you, but

4751
02:58:14,800 --> 02:58:16,560
uh I understand they're not able to

4752
02:58:16,560 --> 02:58:18,880
build there during this time or or my

4753
02:58:18,880 --> 02:58:22,080
question is can they build there with or

4754
02:58:22,080 --> 02:58:23,520
without us doing anything? Can they

4755
02:58:23,520 --> 02:58:25,040
start building their home? They could

4756
02:58:25,040 --> 02:58:27,040
start building their own. They just want

4757
02:58:27,040 --> 02:58:28,800
to make sure that they get their correct

4758
02:58:28,800 --> 02:58:29,279
land.

4759
02:58:29,279 --> 02:58:30,640
>> But are they being held up right now

4760
02:58:30,640 --> 02:58:31,760
from building?

4761
02:58:31,760 --> 02:58:33,680
>> Please. Yeah, go ahead. Is that okay to

4762
02:58:33,680 --> 02:58:35,920
ask? Because that seems relevant to the

4763
02:58:35,920 --> 02:58:40,389
conversation.

4764
02:58:40,399 --> 02:58:42,880
» So, yes, technically we

4765
02:58:42,880 --> 02:58:44,720
>> Oh, David Whitbeck,

4766
02:58:44,720 --> 02:58:46,080
>> thank you for your response. Thank you.

4767
02:58:46,080 --> 02:58:49,040
So, um, technically we can build on it

4768
02:58:49,040 --> 02:58:52,000
according to what the county has, but

4769
02:58:52,000 --> 02:58:55,359
when we purchased the land, um, we went

4770
02:58:55,359 --> 02:58:57,040
up with the surveyor and we walked the

4771
02:58:57,040 --> 02:58:58,880
lot and went out to the to the stakes

4772
02:58:58,880 --> 02:59:00,960
that are there and that's what we

4773
02:59:00,960 --> 02:59:02,479
purchased or what we thought we were

4774
02:59:02,479 --> 02:59:09,760
purchasing. We hired our um our

4775
02:59:09,760 --> 02:59:10,399
architect.

4776
02:59:10,399 --> 02:59:11,840
>> Oh, right. I read the story. It was a

4777
02:59:11,840 --> 02:59:13,520
great story. the architect, he sent up

4778
02:59:13,520 --> 02:59:15,040
another surveyor and the other surveyor

4779
02:59:15,040 --> 02:59:16,319
says, "No, it doesn't go up to this

4780
02:59:16,319 --> 02:59:17,040
point."

4781
02:59:17,040 --> 02:59:18,640
>> And that's where you got stopped, right?

4782
02:59:18,640 --> 02:59:20,240
>> Well, and so the reason why we got

4783
02:59:20,240 --> 02:59:22,000
stopped is because we because of the

4784
02:59:22,000 --> 02:59:23,840
setbacks from that point.

4785
02:59:23,840 --> 02:59:25,359
>> Oh, so it's the setbacks because now

4786
02:59:25,359 --> 02:59:26,800
they're measured from a different spot.

4787
02:59:26,800 --> 02:59:27,359
>> Exactly.

4788
02:59:27,359 --> 02:59:28,720
>> Okay. I I inferred that, but I didn't

4789
02:59:28,720 --> 02:59:30,960
know if that was the case. Why it

4790
02:59:30,960 --> 02:59:32,399
upended your home building.

4791
02:59:32,399 --> 02:59:34,399
>> Yeah. Right. So he he drew up the plans

4792
02:59:34,399 --> 02:59:37,520
and uh we're wanting to to put it closer

4793
02:59:37,520 --> 02:59:39,439
to our property boundary on that side

4794
02:59:39,439 --> 02:59:40,640
>> and that's why held it up because then

4795
02:59:40,640 --> 02:59:40,960
the move

4796
02:59:40,960 --> 02:59:42,720
>> and the architect says no because it

4797
02:59:42,720 --> 02:59:44,399
doesn't go that far and so that's why

4798
02:59:44,399 --> 02:59:44,640
we're

4799
02:59:44,640 --> 02:59:46,399
>> so are you currently locked because that

4800
02:59:46,399 --> 02:59:48,000
setback has been shortened.

4801
02:59:48,000 --> 02:59:50,160
>> We're wanting to get this resolved so

4802
02:59:50,160 --> 02:59:51,520
that we can you know we don't want to

4803
02:59:51,520 --> 02:59:52,800
pay for all the engineering and have

4804
02:59:52,800 --> 02:59:53,520
everything done

4805
02:59:53,520 --> 02:59:55,439
>> and then not be able to do it. You know

4806
02:59:55,439 --> 02:59:56,560
when they do the engineering they want

4807
02:59:56,560 --> 02:59:57,920
to do it based on where the house will

4808
02:59:57,920 --> 02:59:59,200
actually be placed.

4809
02:59:59,200 --> 03:00:00,560
>> That makes sense. Thank you. The second

4810
03:00:00,560 --> 03:00:02,000
qu appreciate that. And

4811
03:00:02,000 --> 03:00:03,600
>> can I answer his question about that

4812
03:00:03,600 --> 03:00:05,680
other surveyor? The other surveyor was

4813
03:00:05,680 --> 03:00:07,439
just looking at the plat. They weren't

4814
03:00:07,439 --> 03:00:09,279
looking at all the other

4815
03:00:09,279 --> 03:00:11,439
>> other things and the history of the

4816
03:00:11,439 --> 03:00:12,319
land.

4817
03:00:12,319 --> 03:00:14,240
>> At one point 10 years ago, I was

4818
03:00:14,240 --> 03:00:16,800
surveying the piece of land in Draper

4819
03:00:16,800 --> 03:00:20,880
>> as well. those lands per the deeds, per

4820
03:00:20,880 --> 03:00:22,960
the intent of the plat, per the intent

4821
03:00:22,960 --> 03:00:26,000
of the person that was approved through

4822
03:00:26,000 --> 03:00:30,160
Alpine City that that west line was the

4823
03:00:30,160 --> 03:00:32,560
west line of the plat. The west line of

4824
03:00:32,560 --> 03:00:34,399
those lots

4825
03:00:34,399 --> 03:00:34,960
and

4826
03:00:34,960 --> 03:00:36,319
>> Thank you. The second question, I

4827
03:00:36,319 --> 03:00:37,840
appreciate it. The second question is

4828
03:00:37,840 --> 03:00:40,000
when I was reading through the uh the

4829
03:00:40,000 --> 03:00:43,920
whole uh report um is and that was

4830
03:00:43,920 --> 03:00:45,279
brought up in the report. That's why I

4831
03:00:45,279 --> 03:00:47,439
think it's okay to bring up here is that

4832
03:00:47,439 --> 03:00:49,840
there is intention and willingness on

4833
03:00:49,840 --> 03:00:52,880
the owner's part that if this is dealt

4834
03:00:52,880 --> 03:00:54,880
with and changed, the boundary lines are

4835
03:00:54,880 --> 03:00:58,960
changed that there is uh an intent to

4836
03:00:58,960 --> 03:01:01,439
potentially then make a deal with the

4837
03:01:01,439 --> 03:01:03,040
city and correct me if I'm wrong, make a

4838
03:01:03,040 --> 03:01:06,880
deal with the city for that area. Am I reading into things wrong? That's

4839
03:01:06,880 --> 03:01:09,439
what I'm understanding. And that the

4840
03:01:09,439 --> 03:01:11,920
homeowners or the property owners are

4841
03:01:11,920 --> 03:01:13,760
okay with that after this all goes

4842
03:01:13,760 --> 03:01:15,120
through. Who is that?

4843
03:01:15,120 --> 03:01:16,720
>> That was my understanding.

4844
03:01:16,720 --> 03:01:18,080
>> Is that the understanding? I I want to

4845
03:01:18,080 --> 03:01:19,120
make sure I have it right because it

4846
03:01:19,120 --> 03:01:20,960
>> is potential, but that goes through your

4847
03:01:20,960 --> 03:01:22,720
process.

4848
03:01:22,720 --> 03:01:23,520
>> It wouldn't be for

4849
03:01:23,520 --> 03:01:24,960
>> No, not for the whole area. Just some

4850
03:01:24,960 --> 03:01:27,680
sort of segue, right? Or some sort of uh

4851
03:01:27,680 --> 03:01:29,920
>> Yeah, you'd have way

4852
03:01:29,920 --> 03:01:32,399
>> 10 foot Okay. I'm trying

4853
03:01:32,399 --> 03:01:33,840
>> protection strip on that west side.

4854
03:01:33,840 --> 03:01:36,160
>> You all read that in the report that is

4855
03:01:36,160 --> 03:01:36,960
>> part of it.

4856
03:01:36,960 --> 03:01:39,040
>> This is really hard on Deian. So, either

4857
03:01:39,040 --> 03:01:41,279
they need to be at the microphone or you

4858
03:01:41,279 --> 03:01:42,560
need to stop talking over each other.

4859
03:01:42,560 --> 03:01:44,160
>> I apologize. Will you please come to the

4860
03:01:44,160 --> 03:01:46,479
microphone so that we can read it

4861
03:01:46,479 --> 03:01:46,880
clearly?

4862
03:01:46,880 --> 03:01:48,479
>> Well, they answered my they answered my

4863
03:01:48,479 --> 03:01:50,800
question.

4864
03:01:50,800 --> 03:01:52,560
>> Yes. Okay. I can repeat the question and

4865
03:01:52,560 --> 03:01:54,160
they can do the response when you're

4866
03:01:54,160 --> 03:01:57,200
ready. Deian. Thank you.

4867
03:01:57,200 --> 03:01:58,640
>> Okay. I'm sorry. We're going to have to

4868
03:01:58,640 --> 03:02:00,160
take a break. I need a motion to extend

4869
03:02:00,160 --> 03:02:02,640
the meeting beyond nine.

4870
03:02:02,640 --> 03:02:04,960
>> My timet is not working.

4871
03:02:04,960 --> 03:02:09,510
>> You It's close though. Closer.

4872
03:02:09,520 --> 03:02:11,200
» Jessica, you're so great at these. I

4873
03:02:11,200 --> 03:02:15,200
move to extend the meeting to

4874
03:02:15,200 --> 03:02:17,120
9:40.

4875
03:02:17,120 --> 03:02:18,960
>> Oh, look at you. I second it

4876
03:02:18,960 --> 03:02:20,960
>> at the latest.

4877
03:02:20,960 --> 03:02:23,439
>> Okay.

4878
03:02:23,439 --> 03:02:24,160
>> Is there a second?

4879
03:02:24,160 --> 03:02:26,720
>> No, he second it. Didn't you just second

4880
03:02:26,720 --> 03:02:26,880
it?

4881
03:02:26,880 --> 03:02:28,319
>> Yes, but I need to back up.

4882
03:02:28,319 --> 03:02:30,399
>> If we No, no, no, no, no. We've got a

4883
03:02:30,399 --> 03:02:31,200
motion on the table.

4884
03:02:31,200 --> 03:02:32,560
>> Okay, I retract the second because I

4885
03:02:32,560 --> 03:02:33,680
have a question.

4886
03:02:33,680 --> 03:02:35,840
>> You can't retract it. You did it.

4887
03:02:35,840 --> 03:02:38,319
>> I Okay, I did it. Go ahead. Would you

4888
03:02:38,319 --> 03:02:40,160
>> vote? You can You can vote to move it.

4889
03:02:40,160 --> 03:02:42,160
shut it down, but I won't shut it down.

4890
03:02:42,160 --> 03:02:43,760
We've got a motion to extend the meeting

4891
03:02:43,760 --> 03:02:46,240
to 9:40 at the latest.

4892
03:02:46,240 --> 03:02:50,080
>> Um, and then we have Councilwoman Smean

4893
03:02:50,080 --> 03:02:52,080
and then a second by Councilman Young.

4894
03:02:52,080 --> 03:02:52,560
>> Yes.

4895
03:02:52,560 --> 03:02:53,920
>> Let's do a roll call vote.

4896
03:02:53,920 --> 03:02:55,040
>> Sarah Blackwell. Yes.

4897
03:02:55,040 --> 03:02:56,319
>> Chrissy Henman. Yes.

4898
03:02:56,319 --> 03:02:57,840
>> Well, wait. We We have to discuss the

4899
03:02:57,840 --> 03:02:59,040
motion. We have to open up for

4900
03:02:59,040 --> 03:02:59,840
discussion.

4901
03:02:59,840 --> 03:03:01,279
>> No, we're just voting now.

4902
03:03:01,279 --> 03:03:02,560
>> Well, no. Generally, you make a motion,

4903
03:03:02,560 --> 03:03:04,880
then you have to discuss the motion

4904
03:03:04,880 --> 03:03:06,800
>> in the interest of time to get all the

4905
03:03:06,800 --> 03:03:08,080
matters of this.

4906
03:03:08,080 --> 03:03:10,080
>> No. Okay. Okay. It's fine. It's fine.

4907
03:03:10,080 --> 03:03:11,359
Yes or no?

4908
03:03:11,359 --> 03:03:14,399
>> Andrew Young, no. Brent roller, yes.

4909
03:03:14,399 --> 03:03:15,520
>> Jessica Sme, yes.

4910
03:03:15,520 --> 03:03:18,000
>> Okay, motion passes. Okay, I'm sorry

4911
03:03:18,000 --> 03:03:22,800
about that. Okay, so the question was um

4912
03:03:22,800 --> 03:03:26,479
so the original agreement was with the

4913
03:03:26,479 --> 03:03:29,920
original developer, I believe, but the

4914
03:03:29,920 --> 03:03:33,200
agreement is no longer in place. But are

4915
03:03:33,200 --> 03:03:34,960
you saying that you're still willing to

4916
03:03:34,960 --> 03:03:39,120
deed over 10% or a 10-ft strip behind

4917
03:03:39,120 --> 03:03:41,279
your house or behind your lot?

4918
03:03:41,279 --> 03:03:43,040
>> So, what we're talking about here with

4919
03:03:43,040 --> 03:03:45,200
this issue is about a about 20

4920
03:03:45,200 --> 03:03:48,399
>> 20 foot, right? Um, and so we don't need

4921
03:03:48,399 --> 03:03:51,600
the whole 20 ft, but in our original in

4922
03:03:51,600 --> 03:03:53,680
my original agreement with the developer

4923
03:03:53,680 --> 03:03:57,680
who was here, um, I told him that I

4924
03:03:57,680 --> 03:04:00,560
would accept 10 ft less with my

4925
03:04:00,560 --> 03:04:02,000
understanding that was coming from the

4926
03:04:02,000 --> 03:04:04,800
stakes. And so I would, you know, if he

4927
03:04:04,800 --> 03:04:06,800
can make an agreement to add lot five

4928
03:04:06,800 --> 03:04:09,120
with Alpine City, I told him that I

4929
03:04:09,120 --> 03:04:10,560
would accept that

4930
03:04:10,560 --> 03:04:12,240
>> to lose 10 feet from there. But I don't

4931
03:04:12,240 --> 03:04:14,240
want to lose 10 feet from the 20T that

4932
03:04:14,240 --> 03:04:16,319
we've already lost in our, you know,

4933
03:04:16,319 --> 03:04:17,279
sub.

4934
03:04:17,279 --> 03:04:18,960
>> My understanding with the original

4935
03:04:18,960 --> 03:04:20,479
developer was there were a lot of

4936
03:04:20,479 --> 03:04:22,479
conditions on what the city needed for

4937
03:04:22,479 --> 03:04:24,479
the fifth lot. That agreement has

4938
03:04:24,479 --> 03:04:25,920
expired.

4939
03:04:25,920 --> 03:04:28,560
>> And um one of the main conditions was a

4940
03:04:28,560 --> 03:04:30,479
connection to the Draper City Trail that

4941
03:04:30,479 --> 03:04:33,680
the developer was responsible for. And

4942
03:04:33,680 --> 03:04:38,399
is Ryan still on? Ryan?

4943
03:04:38,399 --> 03:04:39,760
>> Yeah, I'm here.

4944
03:04:39,760 --> 03:04:43,760
>> Wow. Tell me if I'm wrong that um that

4945
03:04:43,760 --> 03:04:47,279
the developer um

4946
03:04:47,279 --> 03:04:49,600
chose not to put the trail in. Is that

4947
03:04:49,600 --> 03:04:50,880
correct?

4948
03:04:50,880 --> 03:04:52,960
>> Yeah. In my conversations with him, that

4949
03:04:52,960 --> 03:04:54,560
wasn't something that they could they

4950
03:04:54,560 --> 03:04:55,840
could end up doing and meet the

4951
03:04:55,840 --> 03:04:58,080
standards that the city has for trails.

4952
03:04:58,080 --> 03:05:00,240
And that that original agreement expired

4953
03:05:00,240 --> 03:05:01,920
like

4954
03:05:01,920 --> 03:05:04,319
a year a couple it at least a year ago

4955
03:05:04,319 --> 03:05:07,750
in September.

4956
03:05:07,760 --> 03:05:09,920
» Okay. Thank you. the developers here if

4957
03:05:09,920 --> 03:05:11,520
you wanted to ask him questions. I'm I'm

4958
03:05:11,520 --> 03:05:13,040
just interested in

4959
03:05:13,040 --> 03:05:15,680
>> No, totally. No one understand.

4960
03:05:15,680 --> 03:05:16,479
>> Did you have any other question?

4961
03:05:16,479 --> 03:05:17,920
>> The final question was what you answered

4962
03:05:17,920 --> 03:05:19,279
and it sounds like that is a

4963
03:05:19,279 --> 03:05:20,720
possibility. I read it in the report so

4964
03:05:20,720 --> 03:05:22,240
that's why I brought it up. And I guess

4965
03:05:22,240 --> 03:05:24,319
the last question is subjective, but

4966
03:05:24,319 --> 03:05:26,319
it's more like what what is the

4967
03:05:26,319 --> 03:05:27,760
intention and the goal? But I can ask

4968
03:05:27,760 --> 03:05:29,439
that after like what is the intention of

4969
03:05:29,439 --> 03:05:32,319
doing this so that we have and I think I know but I just wanted to

4970
03:05:32,319 --> 03:05:33,600
understand further and I can do that

4971
03:05:33,600 --> 03:05:35,439
afterwards. So thank you. You don't want

4972
03:05:35,439 --> 03:05:36,800
to hear it because I mean this is going

4973
03:05:36,800 --> 03:05:37,840
to be I mean I guess

4974
03:05:37,840 --> 03:05:39,040
>> well I thought I I didn't want to take

4975
03:05:39,040 --> 03:05:40,399
too much time so it's fine. I can ask

4976
03:05:40,399 --> 03:05:42,479
them after and I have their contacts.

4977
03:05:42,479 --> 03:05:43,120
>> Okay. But

4978
03:05:43,120 --> 03:05:44,720
>> for us we just want the property that we

4979
03:05:44,720 --> 03:05:45,600
thought we were buying.

4980
03:05:45,600 --> 03:05:46,240
>> No for sure.

4981
03:05:46,240 --> 03:05:48,880
>> I was it was more the the long term of

4982
03:05:48,880 --> 03:05:50,240
the whole development but I'll ask it

4983
03:05:50,240 --> 03:05:51,600
after. Thank you. And I hope it works

4984
03:05:51,600 --> 03:05:52,960
out for you.

4985
03:05:52,960 --> 03:05:53,680
>> Okay.

4986
03:05:53,680 --> 03:05:54,560
>> Anything else

4987
03:05:54,560 --> 03:05:56,720
>> Jessica?

4988
03:05:56,720 --> 03:05:59,439
Okay. Um,

4989
03:05:59,439 --> 03:06:01,520
so again to clarify, this is a

4990
03:06:01,520 --> 03:06:05,120
resolution to um allow the public to

4991
03:06:05,120 --> 03:06:07,040
have input and then we'll have a public

4992
03:06:07,040 --> 03:06:09,840
hearing in is it 30 days or 60 days? I

4993
03:06:09,840 --> 03:06:12,240
don't remember. 60 days. Okay. So that

4994
03:06:12,240 --> 03:06:14,479
is the resolution that we will be

4995
03:06:14,479 --> 03:06:17,680
meeting on. Is there a motion? I move to

4996
03:06:17,680 --> 03:06:21,680
approve res resolution R2026-10

4997
03:06:21,680 --> 03:06:23,120
expressing Alpine City's intent to

4998
03:06:23,120 --> 03:06:25,120
adjust its common municipal boundary

4999
03:06:25,120 --> 03:06:28,160
with Draper City affecting parcels 11

5000
03:06:28,160 --> 03:06:31,439
008 0012

5001
03:06:31,439 --> 03:06:35,429
66579003

5002
03:06:35,439 --> 03:06:38,720
and 6657900004

5003
03:06:38,720 --> 03:06:40,240
authorizing and scheduling a public

5004
03:06:40,240 --> 03:06:43,200
hearing for May 12th 2026 and providing

5005
03:06:43,200 --> 03:06:45,680
for notice thereof.

5006
03:06:45,680 --> 03:06:47,520
Is there a second?

5007
03:06:47,520 --> 03:06:49,279
>> I'll make that second. Okay.

5008
03:06:49,279 --> 03:06:51,279
>> It's been moved by Councilman Rumler,

5009
03:06:51,279 --> 03:06:54,479
seconded by Councilwoman Hanaman.

5010
03:06:54,479 --> 03:06:57,840
Any further discussion

5011
03:06:57,840 --> 03:07:01,680
>> on just on the motion, right?

5012
03:07:01,680 --> 03:07:02,960
>> That was what I thought we had on the

5013
03:07:02,960 --> 03:07:04,800
last one. Sorry. Go ahead.

5014
03:07:04,800 --> 03:07:06,399
>> Wait, are we starting the vote?

5015
03:07:06,399 --> 03:07:06,880
>> Yes.

5016
03:07:06,880 --> 03:07:09,680
>> Sarah Blackwell, no. Chrissy Hammond,

5017
03:07:09,680 --> 03:07:13,750
yes.

5018
03:07:13,760 --> 03:07:16,240
Andrew Young for the process of this

5019
03:07:16,240 --> 03:07:19,040
going forward. Yes. Brent Rler. Yes.

5020
03:07:19,040 --> 03:07:20,240
>> Jessica Sme.

5021
03:07:20,240 --> 03:07:22,319
Yes.

5022
03:07:22,319 --> 03:07:25,680
>> Okay. Resolution passes. Item C,

5023
03:07:25,680 --> 03:07:28,800
appointment of the water um Alpine Water

5024
03:07:28,800 --> 03:07:30,319
Citizen Advisory Committee.

5025
03:07:30,319 --> 03:07:33,200
>> We made it.

5026
03:07:33,200 --> 03:07:36,560
>> Okay. So, we sent out an updated uh

5027
03:07:36,560 --> 03:07:39,200
resolution today that had the names on

5028
03:07:39,200 --> 03:07:41,840
that the [clears throat] mayor provided.

5029
03:07:41,840 --> 03:07:43,439
And I just want to say the names that

5030
03:07:43,439 --> 03:07:47,040
are on the resolution are um people that

5031
03:07:47,040 --> 03:07:49,200
filled out the application for the water

5032
03:07:49,200 --> 03:07:50,960
committee.

5033
03:07:50,960 --> 03:07:52,560
>> Go ahead.

5034
03:07:52,560 --> 03:07:54,560
>> Yeah. And so the names that are proposed

5035
03:07:54,560 --> 03:07:56,960
to be on this committee uh five names,

5036
03:07:56,960 --> 03:08:00,800
Jeff Davis, Brian Irving, Clyde Staler,

5037
03:08:00,800 --> 03:08:04,640
Stephen Burroughs, and Will Jones.

5038
03:08:04,640 --> 03:08:08,000
um they would have staggered terms as

5039
03:08:08,000 --> 03:08:12,240
identified on this uh resolution and we

5040
03:08:12,240 --> 03:08:14,640
did correct a couple of issues on the

5041
03:08:14,640 --> 03:08:18,560
cover sheet and the resolution as well.

5042
03:08:18,560 --> 03:08:21,840
>> Okay. Are there any questions? If not,

5043
03:08:21,840 --> 03:08:23,200
>> I think Sarah's first.

5044
03:08:23,200 --> 03:08:24,000
>> Did you have a question?

5045
03:08:24,000 --> 03:08:27,359
>> Oh, no. No questions for me. Chie,

5046
03:08:27,359 --> 03:08:29,680
>> I um I was excited to see this quickly

5047
03:08:29,680 --> 03:08:31,200
because like I said, we're on a tight

5048
03:08:31,200 --> 03:08:34,399
timeline both with school out and um

5049
03:08:34,399 --> 03:08:38,960
water melting. Um we did talk about this

5050
03:08:38,960 --> 03:08:40,880
and some of our new committee members

5051
03:08:40,880 --> 03:08:43,520
are here. Brian and I don't remember who

5052
03:08:43,520 --> 03:08:44,399
else was here but

5053
03:08:44,399 --> 03:08:47,359
>> Mr. No, I mean before he he's he was

5054
03:08:47,359 --> 03:08:48,960
here for the previous discussion. So

5055
03:08:48,960 --> 03:08:51,760
yes, anyways, we talked about how like

5056
03:08:51,760 --> 03:08:53,120
the city is responsible for the

5057
03:08:53,120 --> 03:08:54,880
engineering side, like having all the

5058
03:08:54,880 --> 03:08:56,880
infrastructure there, funding all of

5059
03:08:56,880 --> 03:09:00,640
that, um, keeping the rates at a a rate,

5060
03:09:00,640 --> 03:09:03,840
a place that can fund all of that and

5061
03:09:03,840 --> 03:09:06,880
taring them as is responsible by state

5062
03:09:06,880 --> 03:09:11,040
law. So the committee's real um, help is

5063
03:09:11,040 --> 03:09:13,520
really helping educate people and also

5064
03:09:13,520 --> 03:09:15,600
enforcement. I feel like I talked to Don

5065
03:09:15,600 --> 03:09:18,160
Quiddley and enforcement isn't um

5066
03:09:18,160 --> 03:09:20,880
uniform or easy. And so those are just

5067
03:09:20,880 --> 03:09:23,120
the two things that I remember from our

5068
03:09:23,120 --> 03:09:26,000
discussion and I'm happy to be corrected

5069
03:09:26,000 --> 03:09:29,439
or re reddirected.

5070
03:09:29,439 --> 03:09:32,240
Um and so I'm super excited for that. I

5071
03:09:32,240 --> 03:09:35,200
think that um

5072
03:09:35,200 --> 03:09:38,720
water is a long term something we're

5073
03:09:38,720 --> 03:09:41,279
going to be dealing with over the long

5074
03:09:41,279 --> 03:09:44,080
term. Not just not just this summer but

5075
03:09:44,080 --> 03:09:48,720
over like the next long time

5076
03:09:48,720 --> 03:09:51,120
much much longer than um when I will be

5077
03:09:51,120 --> 03:09:53,600
sitting in this chair. So I'm grateful

5078
03:09:53,600 --> 03:09:55,680
that uh we were making this an official

5079
03:09:55,680 --> 03:09:58,640
committee and uh with that I had some

5080
03:09:58,640 --> 03:10:00,000
other ideas which I'll speak to them

5081
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:02,319
directly about where we took the goals

5082
03:10:02,319 --> 03:10:04,399
of the two um plans that were approved

5083
03:10:04,399 --> 03:10:06,479
by planning commission and we sort of

5084
03:10:06,479 --> 03:10:08,000
say like this is how we're going to this

5085
03:10:08,000 --> 03:10:10,080
is how we're going to educate then this

5086
03:10:10,080 --> 03:10:12,000
is how we're going to enforce so that we

5087
03:10:12,000 --> 03:10:14,560
can see those goals like moving forward

5088
03:10:14,560 --> 03:10:18,000
and Steve has already uh presented many

5089
03:10:18,000 --> 03:10:21,439
like plans and and articulated many

5090
03:10:21,439 --> 03:10:24,160
things And so, um, I feel like we're

5091
03:10:24,160 --> 03:10:26,560
have a head start. So, thank you for

5092
03:10:26,560 --> 03:10:28,880
your willingness to serve and I

5093
03:10:28,880 --> 03:10:30,720
appreciate the council supporting this

5094
03:10:30,720 --> 03:10:33,200
idea.

5095
03:10:33,200 --> 03:10:34,240
>> Hey, Andrew.

5096
03:10:34,240 --> 03:10:36,560
>> Uh, three minor things. I I I love

5097
03:10:36,560 --> 03:10:38,800
everyone on there. I really appreciate I

5098
03:10:38,800 --> 03:10:40,560
uh would make a suggestion and I don't

5099
03:10:40,560 --> 03:10:42,160
know how this comes out and that is that

5100
03:10:42,160 --> 03:10:45,520
we get some folks on there um that don't

5101
03:10:45,520 --> 03:10:48,000
just all live up in the north. That's a

5102
03:10:48,000 --> 03:10:51,439
very uh concentrated uh group of people

5103
03:10:51,439 --> 03:10:55,120
and I I think a a lawn lot down south or

5104
03:10:55,120 --> 03:10:56,960
one of his neighbors or something or

5105
03:10:56,960 --> 03:10:59,200
someone in the center of the city or

5106
03:10:59,200 --> 03:11:00,640
someone on the east side would really

5107
03:11:00,640 --> 03:11:03,120
balance that out if I'm if I'm right in

5108
03:11:03,120 --> 03:11:04,080
knowing

5109
03:11:04,080 --> 03:11:06,560
>> on the east side. I don't know him. He

5110
03:11:06,560 --> 03:11:07,279
just send it

5111
03:11:07,279 --> 03:11:09,600
>> he's a good guy. I know.

5112
03:11:09,600 --> 03:11:10,720
>> I don't know him, but I just saw that

5113
03:11:10,720 --> 03:11:12,560
his address was Village Way and I know

5114
03:11:12,560 --> 03:11:13,120
that

5115
03:11:13,120 --> 03:11:14,160
>> that would be your that would be your

5116
03:11:14,160 --> 03:11:14,640
closest.

5117
03:11:14,640 --> 03:11:17,200
>> But for as far as people, I totally get

5118
03:11:17,200 --> 03:11:18,880
it. I like equal distribution. That's

5119
03:11:18,880 --> 03:11:21,040
why I tried to do planning commission.

5120
03:11:21,040 --> 03:11:23,520
Um but these are the only five

5121
03:11:23,520 --> 03:11:25,439
applications that I received and we

5122
03:11:25,439 --> 03:11:27,520
needed at least five. Yes.

5123
03:11:27,520 --> 03:11:28,240
>> Okay.

5124
03:11:28,240 --> 03:11:29,520
>> I received no other applications.

5125
03:11:29,520 --> 03:11:31,040
>> Well, thank you for accepting them all.

5126
03:11:31,040 --> 03:11:34,319
Okay. Thank you. if if also put in his

5127
03:11:34,319 --> 03:11:35,600
application. Did you get one from

5128
03:11:35,600 --> 03:11:37,040
Sullivan?

5129
03:11:37,040 --> 03:11:37,920
>> No.

5130
03:11:37,920 --> 03:11:39,520
>> So, for example, just since it's been

5131
03:11:39,520 --> 03:11:41,120
brought up, someone like Sullivan, would

5132
03:11:41,120 --> 03:11:43,200
that be some This is my second question.

5133
03:11:43,200 --> 03:11:44,800
Can we add another member? Is there a

5134
03:11:44,800 --> 03:11:46,560
limit on this committee size?

5135
03:11:46,560 --> 03:11:48,080
>> No, I don't know. We can eventually.

5136
03:11:48,080 --> 03:11:49,840
Yeah, we can, but it's just

5137
03:11:49,840 --> 03:11:52,399
>> I recommended Sullivan that

5138
03:11:52,399 --> 03:11:53,439
>> I think you'd do great.

5139
03:11:53,439 --> 03:11:54,960
>> The way our committee ordinance is

5140
03:11:54,960 --> 03:11:57,359
written, it it says a minimum of five

5141
03:11:57,359 --> 03:11:58,000
members.

5142
03:11:58,000 --> 03:11:59,359
>> Okay. So, but then we can have more than

5143
03:11:59,359 --> 03:12:02,080
that. Okay. So, I would It's it's a it's

5144
03:12:02,080 --> 03:12:03,279
two questions and then the slight

5145
03:12:03,279 --> 03:12:04,960
recommendation to add a couple more that

5146
03:12:04,960 --> 03:12:08,000
would distribute that because water has

5147
03:12:08,000 --> 03:12:09,359
such an important issue to the

5148
03:12:09,359 --> 03:12:12,319
southerners and the uh um the central

5149
03:12:12,319 --> 03:12:14,640
folks that lack that pressure and they'd

5150
03:12:14,640 --> 03:12:18,560
really be uh crucial on there. Um and

5151
03:12:18,560 --> 03:12:20,720
then just one minor thing to Chrissy

5152
03:12:20,720 --> 03:12:21,359
since I guess

5153
03:12:21,359 --> 03:12:22,880
>> are you whispering because it's a public

5154
03:12:22,880 --> 03:12:23,439
meeting.

5155
03:12:23,439 --> 03:12:25,920
>> Sorry. [laughter] One minor thing. We we

5156
03:12:25,920 --> 03:12:27,600
created this kind of together. I guess

5157
03:12:27,600 --> 03:12:29,920
it was kind of hodge podge. Um I know

5158
03:12:29,920 --> 03:12:32,080
you want education and enforcement. I

5159
03:12:32,080 --> 03:12:34,000
don't know how residents can enforce

5160
03:12:34,000 --> 03:12:35,840
against other residents if they have any

5161
03:12:35,840 --> 03:12:37,680
power to do that. But in the committee

5162
03:12:37,680 --> 03:12:39,680
and I am kind of whispering in the

5163
03:12:39,680 --> 03:12:42,319
committee description it does say that

5164
03:12:42,319 --> 03:12:44,880
they should look into the infrastructure

5165
03:12:44,880 --> 03:12:46,800
of the city and try to help with that as

5166
03:12:46,800 --> 03:12:49,680
well. So you might

5167
03:12:49,680 --> 03:12:50,960
>> which I don't think is which I don't

5168
03:12:50,960 --> 03:12:52,399
think is a bad thing. I think just let

5169
03:12:52,399 --> 03:12:53,760
them do all things water.

5170
03:12:53,760 --> 03:12:55,840
>> Yeah. Let's clarify that. If I recall,

5171
03:12:55,840 --> 03:12:58,160
the way it's worded is that they can

5172
03:12:58,160 --> 03:13:01,200
offer support to the city basically

5173
03:13:01,200 --> 03:13:01,680
building their

5174
03:13:01,680 --> 03:13:02,399
>> mastermind,

5175
03:13:02,399 --> 03:13:04,479
>> right? So, it's not just education and

5176
03:13:04,479 --> 03:13:06,960
not enforcement. They're able to

5177
03:13:06,960 --> 03:13:08,800
research, they're able to help in any

5178
03:13:08,800 --> 03:13:10,399
way with the infrastructure as well. I'm

5179
03:13:10,399 --> 03:13:11,200
not saying they're going to grab a

5180
03:13:11,200 --> 03:13:13,200
hammer and start drilling pipes, but

5181
03:13:13,200 --> 03:13:15,760
they are that sphere is open to them in

5182
03:13:15,760 --> 03:13:17,600
according to what we wrote in the

5183
03:13:17,600 --> 03:13:19,279
committee just so you don't feel like

5184
03:13:19,279 --> 03:13:21,600
they're going beyond their description.

5185
03:13:21,600 --> 03:13:23,200
I think that will only help as they try

5186
03:13:23,200 --> 03:13:24,960
to research wells and things. It will

5187
03:13:24,960 --> 03:13:25,760
not hurt.

5188
03:13:25,760 --> 03:13:26,160
>> Okay.

5189
03:13:26,160 --> 03:13:27,840
>> Anyways, that that was that was all and

5190
03:13:27,840 --> 03:13:29,439
I really appreciate you doing this,

5191
03:13:29,439 --> 03:13:31,439
Chrissy, and letting me be a part of it.

5192
03:13:31,439 --> 03:13:31,520
Did

5193
03:13:31,520 --> 03:13:32,640
>> you have any it will be great.

5194
03:13:32,640 --> 03:13:33,760
>> Now, just thanks to those who are

5195
03:13:33,760 --> 03:13:37,439
willing to to participate and help out.

5196
03:13:37,439 --> 03:13:39,200
>> Yeah. And just some clarification if it

5197
03:13:39,200 --> 03:13:42,000
goes into the scope. Again, that's not

5198
03:13:42,000 --> 03:13:43,520
that they're taking action or doing

5199
03:13:43,520 --> 03:13:46,160
anything beyond recommending. Is that

5200
03:13:46,160 --> 03:13:46,800
correct?

5201
03:13:46,800 --> 03:13:48,239
>> Correct.

5202
03:13:48,239 --> 03:13:49,840
I think I think the first order of

5203
03:13:49,840 --> 03:13:51,760
business would give we would give the

5204
03:13:51,760 --> 03:13:53,840
members a copy of the resolution that

5205
03:13:53,840 --> 03:13:55,680
created the committee and it will say

5206
03:13:55,680 --> 03:13:57,439
right in there. I don't think it says

5207
03:13:57,439 --> 03:14:00,000
they change like the city's

5208
03:14:00,000 --> 03:14:02,000
infrastructure plans. It just says offer

5209
03:14:02,000 --> 03:14:02,960
support.

5210
03:14:02,960 --> 03:14:05,120
>> Yeah, maybe what I meant was we have a

5211
03:14:05,120 --> 03:14:07,680
lot of we focus a lot on that those two

5212
03:14:07,680 --> 03:14:10,160
elements as a council and as staff and

5213
03:14:10,160 --> 03:14:11,600
we don't have a lot of focus on the

5214
03:14:11,600 --> 03:14:12,960
other things. So that's how where we

5215
03:14:12,960 --> 03:14:14,479
really need more help.

5216
03:14:14,479 --> 03:14:15,840
>> Maybe I should have said it that

5217
03:14:15,840 --> 03:14:16,479
differently.

5218
03:14:16,479 --> 03:14:17,359
>> No, that's fine. Yeah,

5219
03:14:17,359 --> 03:14:18,640
>> just but any help they get, it's going

5220
03:14:18,640 --> 03:14:22,950
to be amazing. So that's all

5221
03:14:22,960 --> 03:14:24,080
» you're going to submit, right?

5222
03:14:24,080 --> 03:14:25,200
>> Wait, would you like to be on the

5223
03:14:25,200 --> 03:14:26,800
council? I mean on the committee.

5224
03:14:26,800 --> 03:14:28,000
>> I'm going to add you, Sullivan. Stay

5225
03:14:28,000 --> 03:14:28,319
back.

5226
03:14:28,319 --> 03:14:30,560
>> Wait, wait.

5227
03:14:30,560 --> 03:14:31,279
>> Okay. Well,

5228
03:14:31,279 --> 03:14:31,840
>> okay.

5229
03:14:31,840 --> 03:14:33,439
>> I hope he submitted. I'll get on him.

5230
03:14:33,439 --> 03:14:36,080
>> No, he did. I just found it. I just

5231
03:14:36,080 --> 03:14:38,399
never printed it and I totally forgot.

5232
03:14:38,399 --> 03:14:39,520
>> He lives in a very different area. Ready

5233
03:14:39,520 --> 03:14:40,319
for a motion?

5234
03:14:40,319 --> 03:14:40,720
>> Yes.

5235
03:14:40,720 --> 03:14:43,600
>> I move to approve resolution R 2026-12

5236
03:14:43,600 --> 03:14:45,279
appointing the following

5237
03:14:45,279 --> 03:14:47,279
>> Oh, where'd it go?

5238
03:14:47,279 --> 03:14:48,640
No, go back.

5239
03:14:48,640 --> 03:14:50,399
>> We got to get the names.

5240
03:14:50,399 --> 03:14:51,760
>> Jeff Davis,

5241
03:14:51,760 --> 03:14:54,479
>> Brian Irving, Clyde Staer, Steven

5242
03:14:54,479 --> 03:14:57,439
Burroughs, Will Jones, and Sullivan

5243
03:14:57,439 --> 03:14:58,880
Love.

5244
03:14:58,880 --> 03:15:01,600
>> Will you add him to um

5245
03:15:01,600 --> 03:15:05,600
>> the term for December 31st, 2026? Cuz um

5246
03:15:05,600 --> 03:15:07,600
that only has one, so that will even it

5247
03:15:07,600 --> 03:15:08,000
out.

5248
03:15:08,000 --> 03:15:09,920
>> All right. At the for the term stated

5249
03:15:09,920 --> 03:15:12,399
with Sullivan Love being included with

5250
03:15:12,399 --> 03:15:13,920
for the term that date that ends

5251
03:15:13,920 --> 03:15:15,680
December 31st, 2026.

5252
03:15:15,680 --> 03:15:17,359
>> Thank you. We all second that.

5253
03:15:17,359 --> 03:15:17,760
>> Okay.

5254
03:15:17,760 --> 03:15:20,160
>> Mayor, may I just clarify the

5255
03:15:20,160 --> 03:15:22,479
>> the packet and the resolution? So, the

5256
03:15:22,479 --> 03:15:26,160
sample motion says R2026-12,

5257
03:15:26,160 --> 03:15:29,520
but the resolution itself says -13

5258
03:15:29,520 --> 03:15:31,120
>> and that's how it's noticed on the

5259
03:15:31,120 --> 03:15:33,200
agenda. So, I'd probably just reumber.

5260
03:15:33,200 --> 03:15:36,640
>> I'll clarify that to be -13.

5261
03:15:36,640 --> 03:15:38,800
>> Okay.

5262
03:15:38,800 --> 03:15:41,279
And are you okay with the amendment to

5263
03:15:41,279 --> 03:15:42,160
>> You're busy. Okay.

5264
03:15:42,160 --> 03:15:43,760
>> Uh, yes, I am. I have approval of that

5265
03:15:43,760 --> 03:15:44,319
amendment.

5266
03:15:44,319 --> 03:15:46,160
>> Let's proceed with the roll call vote.

5267
03:15:46,160 --> 03:15:47,520
Sarah Blackwell, yes.

5268
03:15:47,520 --> 03:15:48,560
>> Chrissy Hanaman, yes.

5269
03:15:48,560 --> 03:15:50,319
>> Andrew Young, yes. Brent R, yes.

5270
03:15:50,319 --> 03:15:53,279
>> Jessica Simone, yes. Quick question. If

5271
03:15:53,279 --> 03:15:54,720
some of these members decide they want

5272
03:15:54,720 --> 03:15:57,840
to extend that service, they can. And

5273
03:15:57,840 --> 03:15:58,960
Okay. As long as we still have

5274
03:15:58,960 --> 03:16:01,120
>> you just get reappointed for a

5275
03:16:01,120 --> 03:16:02,160
three-year ter.

5276
03:16:02,160 --> 03:16:02,960
>> Okay. Thank you.

5277
03:16:02,960 --> 03:16:05,040
>> So, like this fall, we would in like

5278
03:16:05,040 --> 03:16:07,439
December, November, we would address

5279
03:16:07,439 --> 03:16:09,840
that. Okay. Thanks.

5280
03:16:09,840 --> 03:16:14,870
>> Okay. Let's move on to item D.

5281
03:16:14,880 --> 03:16:19,200
Okay. So, this one

5282
03:16:19,200 --> 03:16:22,960
uh we had a we currently have on the

5283
03:16:22,960 --> 03:16:25,520
books a res actually an ordinance at

5284
03:16:25,520 --> 03:16:28,640
that time um that created the historic

5285
03:16:28,640 --> 03:16:31,439
preservation commission and there was a

5286
03:16:31,439 --> 03:16:34,640
proposal by uh council membersh and

5287
03:16:34,640 --> 03:16:39,920
Blackwell to amend this and add in um

5288
03:16:39,920 --> 03:16:44,319
arts and culture. And so in doing this

5289
03:16:44,319 --> 03:16:47,520
we're the commission was created

5290
03:16:47,520 --> 03:16:50,880
under a different ordinance and we made

5291
03:16:50,880 --> 03:16:52,800
changes since then. Uh we call them

5292
03:16:52,800 --> 03:16:56,080
citizen advisory committees. Uh we kind

5293
03:16:56,080 --> 03:16:58,319
of if you look in the whereas section of

5294
03:16:58,319 --> 03:17:00,720
the ordinance, we outline kind of the

5295
03:17:00,720 --> 03:17:06,080
transition from the commission to uh the

5296
03:17:06,080 --> 03:17:07,680
committee, the citizen advisory

5297
03:17:07,680 --> 03:17:10,319
committee and kind of what the

5298
03:17:10,319 --> 03:17:12,711
responsibilities are. And then

5299
03:17:12,711 --> 03:17:14,000
[clears throat] the intent of this

5300
03:17:14,000 --> 03:17:16,640
original commission that was created was

5301
03:17:16,640 --> 03:17:20,000
to we had to have an ordinance uh in

5302
03:17:20,000 --> 03:17:21,840
place or resolution to be able to

5303
03:17:21,840 --> 03:17:24,640
qualify for certain grants. And so it

5304
03:17:24,640 --> 03:17:27,439
it's longer than most of our committee

5305
03:17:27,439 --> 03:17:31,200
creation resolutions now. Um it was a

5306
03:17:31,200 --> 03:17:34,560
model ordinance from the state and so we

5307
03:17:34,560 --> 03:17:37,040
tried not to affect kind of the meat of

5308
03:17:37,040 --> 03:17:40,399
that and just add some things in to

5309
03:17:40,399 --> 03:17:45,040
bring in arts and culture. So um uh I

5310
03:17:45,040 --> 03:17:47,439
went through it like we had suggestions

5311
03:17:47,439 --> 03:17:49,439
submitted to us. we try to incorporate

5312
03:17:49,439 --> 03:17:52,479
those in or I tried to then I had uh

5313
03:17:52,479 --> 03:17:55,200
Steve review it. He made a few edits um

5314
03:17:55,200 --> 03:17:58,479
to get to where we are right now. So the

5315
03:17:58,479 --> 03:18:00,239
redline version and the clean version

5316
03:18:00,239 --> 03:18:02,640
are in the packet

5317
03:18:02,640 --> 03:18:05,120
um for consideration to approve those

5318
03:18:05,120 --> 03:18:10,319
and then we would do a similar thing. I we have some appointed committee

5319
03:18:10,319 --> 03:18:11,680
members. Their terms are probably

5320
03:18:11,680 --> 03:18:13,840
expired, but I don't think that

5321
03:18:13,840 --> 03:18:17,279
commission at that time was active and

5322
03:18:17,279 --> 03:18:19,279
this would kind of rejuvenate that and

5323
03:18:19,279 --> 03:18:21,760
we'd have another resolution to appoint

5324
03:18:21,760 --> 03:18:25,680
members to the committee. This one um I

5325
03:18:25,680 --> 03:18:28,479
mentioned just previously, our ordinance

5326
03:18:28,479 --> 03:18:30,319
for creation of citizen advisory

5327
03:18:30,319 --> 03:18:33,680
committees says a minimum of five. Um it

5328
03:18:33,680 --> 03:18:35,920
was written in here to have a maximum of

5329
03:18:35,920 --> 03:18:39,040
nine just to kind of sometimes if you

5330
03:18:39,040 --> 03:18:47,120
get too many it gets hard. Um so that is written into this uh amended

5331
03:18:47,120 --> 03:18:48,560
resolution

5332
03:18:48,560 --> 03:18:50,800
>> and the nine came from that original

5333
03:18:50,800 --> 03:18:51,439
>> That's right.

5334
03:18:51,439 --> 03:18:53,840
>> Yeah. We there was an original arts

5335
03:18:53,840 --> 03:18:55,760
council 20 years ago.

5336
03:18:55,760 --> 03:18:58,560
>> So in looking at this that language I

5337
03:18:58,560 --> 03:19:00,960
just tried to integrate as much of that

5338
03:19:00,960 --> 03:19:03,840
and they had nine. So that seemed like

5339
03:19:03,840 --> 03:19:07,279
that should be used as a threshold

5340
03:19:07,279 --> 03:19:11,600
number not to not to exceed.

5341
03:19:11,600 --> 03:19:14,319
>> Yeah. So I think it's clear in here um

5342
03:19:14,319 --> 03:19:16,560
kind of the intent there they would be

5343
03:19:16,560 --> 03:19:18,640
like a recommending body. They're not

5344
03:19:18,640 --> 03:19:20,640
like approving projects or anything like

5345
03:19:20,640 --> 03:19:22,560
that. They would make recommendations to

5346
03:19:22,560 --> 03:19:25,040
the council and then the council would

5347
03:19:25,040 --> 03:19:27,200
decide if something moves forward that

5348
03:19:27,200 --> 03:19:30,720
comes from that committee.

5349
03:19:30,720 --> 03:19:31,439
So,

5350
03:19:31,439 --> 03:19:32,880
>> okay.

5351
03:19:32,880 --> 03:19:35,760
>> Any questions or comments?

5352
03:19:35,760 --> 03:19:38,640
>> Um, no questions. I love it.

5353
03:19:38,640 --> 03:19:39,760
>> Chrissy.

5354
03:19:39,760 --> 03:19:44,239
>> Um, I was just curious about um

5355
03:19:44,239 --> 03:19:47,279
how do I explain this? Uh,

5356
03:19:47,279 --> 03:19:49,920
how how do they

5357
03:19:49,920 --> 03:19:53,200
how do what is the right integrate with

5358
03:19:53,200 --> 03:19:56,399
what we're doing? because um I think I I

5359
03:19:56,399 --> 03:19:59,520
became like more aware of

5360
03:19:59,520 --> 03:20:01,279
the historic nature of some of the

5361
03:20:01,279 --> 03:20:06,160
buildings that the city owns and um

5362
03:20:06,160 --> 03:20:09,600
how and so like I researched just for

5363
03:20:09,600 --> 03:20:12,560
fun how like this building was

5364
03:20:12,560 --> 03:20:14,080
designated to be on the National

5365
03:20:14,080 --> 03:20:16,640
Historic Register, things like that. And

5366
03:20:16,640 --> 03:20:19,600
so would that would we don't ultimately

5367
03:20:19,600 --> 03:20:22,080
decide what belongs on the National

5368
03:20:22,080 --> 03:20:24,239
Register. It's like this their own

5369
03:20:24,239 --> 03:20:25,840
committee that's like their own world

5370
03:20:25,840 --> 03:20:28,399
out there, their own criteria, their own

5371
03:20:28,399 --> 03:20:32,160
processes. So are they have authority as

5372
03:20:32,160 --> 03:20:34,560
citizens to like whether it's on the

5373
03:20:34,560 --> 03:20:36,479
state historic register or the national

5374
03:20:36,479 --> 03:20:39,040
historic register to move forward? So

5375
03:20:39,040 --> 03:20:44,229
how do they integrate with us?

5376
03:20:44,239 --> 03:20:45,760
How do you envision that?

5377
03:20:45,760 --> 03:20:47,920
>> I again there's a lot going on

5378
03:20:47,920 --> 03:20:49,600
historically. So it's like with any

5379
03:20:49,600 --> 03:20:51,760
committee like with the water committee

5380
03:20:51,760 --> 03:20:54,800
we have we're able to now to get citizen

5381
03:20:54,800 --> 03:20:56,560
involvement and for them to go out

5382
03:20:56,560 --> 03:20:59,279
research let's say it's identified that

5383
03:20:59,279 --> 03:21:01,920
we have a community asset that could be

5384
03:21:01,920 --> 03:21:05,279
on the historical register then our

5385
03:21:05,279 --> 03:21:08,399
committee would get that all prepared

5386
03:21:08,399 --> 03:21:12,080
and then in that case I don't know if

5387
03:21:12,080 --> 03:21:14,399
that's a council requirement you know I

5388
03:21:14,399 --> 03:21:15,680
think you can go on the state or

5389
03:21:15,680 --> 03:21:18,319
national registry even as an individual

5390
03:21:18,319 --> 03:21:20,399
idual, you can place your own home.

5391
03:21:20,399 --> 03:21:20,720
>> Yeah.

5392
03:21:20,720 --> 03:21:23,040
>> So, it would probably depend on is that

5393
03:21:23,040 --> 03:21:24,640
a

5394
03:21:24,640 --> 03:21:27,200
public building then that would be under

5395
03:21:27,200 --> 03:21:29,760
our city council purview. Is that a

5396
03:21:29,760 --> 03:21:32,560
private individual? That would be, you

5397
03:21:32,560 --> 03:21:35,359
know, under their purview. So, again, it

5398
03:21:35,359 --> 03:21:39,920
just adds more people to our historical

5399
03:21:39,920 --> 03:21:42,319
preservation and gives us the capacity

5400
03:21:42,319 --> 03:21:44,560
to expand our efforts.

5401
03:21:44,560 --> 03:21:46,479
>> I guess maybe I answer I asked that

5402
03:21:46,479 --> 03:21:48,560
question backwards. If we have a group

5403
03:21:48,560 --> 03:21:50,720
of people that are this is their like um

5404
03:21:50,720 --> 03:21:52,080
it says that there had to be some

5405
03:21:52,080 --> 03:21:54,640
expertise and things to to be on the

5406
03:21:54,640 --> 03:21:58,080
committee. Um how do we like how do we

5407
03:21:58,080 --> 03:22:00,080
har do we as a council harness that

5408
03:22:00,080 --> 03:22:02,960
energy like to make um maybe more

5409
03:22:02,960 --> 03:22:05,120
awareness or projects or in this

5410
03:22:05,120 --> 03:22:07,439
particular we're expanding the scope to

5411
03:22:07,439 --> 03:22:09,600
art and other things. So, how do you

5412
03:22:09,600 --> 03:22:11,520
foresee that working where we can I know

5413
03:22:11,520 --> 03:22:16,800
like the prime time um we they are like

5414
03:22:16,800 --> 03:22:19,680
utilizing like funds and and people and

5415
03:22:19,680 --> 03:22:21,439
places other that are outside of our

5416
03:22:21,439 --> 03:22:24,399
purview, but we are like um facilitating

5417
03:22:24,399 --> 03:22:26,000
it in some way. So, it would be similar

5418
03:22:26,000 --> 03:22:27,520
like that.

5419
03:22:27,520 --> 03:22:29,439
>> Like I'm going to use an example. We

5420
03:22:29,439 --> 03:22:31,520
have these bricks on this house next

5421
03:22:31,520 --> 03:22:34,800
door that we want to restore or to save.

5422
03:22:34,800 --> 03:22:37,439
So we have now a historical committee

5423
03:22:37,439 --> 03:22:40,160
where we have multiple people that we

5424
03:22:40,160 --> 03:22:42,000
can say can you help us with this? Do

5425
03:22:42,000 --> 03:22:43,359
you know someone that can help us with

5426
03:22:43,359 --> 03:22:47,359
this? It's about sharing um and carrying

5427
03:22:47,359 --> 03:22:49,760
that load to preserve history. I don't

5428
03:22:49,760 --> 03:22:51,439
know Sarah if you have any other

5429
03:22:51,439 --> 03:22:53,439
thoughts on that how that would look.

5430
03:22:53,439 --> 03:22:56,560
>> Yeah. and um Councilwoman Smeuan and I

5431
03:22:56,560 --> 03:22:59,359
met with some of the um residents of

5432
03:22:59,359 --> 03:23:01,680
Alpine who are affiliated with the DUP

5433
03:23:01,680 --> 03:23:04,399
and have interest in this and and just

5434
03:23:04,399 --> 03:23:06,960
talking to I know Jess um Councilwoman

5435
03:23:06,960 --> 03:23:08,800
Smeuan has talked to a lot of residents

5436
03:23:08,800 --> 03:23:10,479
that have lived in Alpine a long time

5437
03:23:10,479 --> 03:23:14,399
and and in in um campaigning I did as

5438
03:23:14,399 --> 03:23:17,359
well and it they have so many amazing

5439
03:23:17,359 --> 03:23:20,239
stories, oral stories, written stories,

5440
03:23:20,239 --> 03:23:21,840
photographs

5441
03:23:21,840 --> 03:23:23,840
that it would be nice to be able to to,

5442
03:23:23,840 --> 03:23:25,439
you know, collect and preserve. But in

5443
03:23:25,439 --> 03:23:27,680
addition to that, like for example, um

5444
03:23:27,680 --> 03:23:29,200
the resident, I think her name was

5445
03:23:29,200 --> 03:23:31,760
Susan, who spoke about the monument in

5446
03:23:31,760 --> 03:23:34,479
the north end of the cemetery, you know,

5447
03:23:34,479 --> 03:23:37,520
like um you know, there's quite a few

5448
03:23:37,520 --> 03:23:39,439
residents that are very passionate about

5449
03:23:39,439 --> 03:23:42,239
preserving a lot of this. And so I think

5450
03:23:42,239 --> 03:23:44,080
there's a good connection between also

5451
03:23:44,080 --> 03:23:46,640
the history and the arts and the

5452
03:23:46,640 --> 03:23:51,120
culture. and we could get a bunch of I

5453
03:23:51,120 --> 03:23:52,479
mean, I think there's enough energy

5454
03:23:52,479 --> 03:23:54,479
among the residents to be able to put

5455
03:23:54,479 --> 03:23:58,399
some momentum into either helping fix

5456
03:23:58,399 --> 03:24:01,600
that monument in the cemetery or other

5457
03:24:01,600 --> 03:24:03,200
projects, gathering things for the

5458
03:24:03,200 --> 03:24:05,680
history wall, cleaning the bricks,

5459
03:24:05,680 --> 03:24:08,960
preserving that, you know, just

5460
03:24:08,960 --> 03:24:11,760
>> Yeah. No, that's good. No, I I just was

5461
03:24:11,760 --> 03:24:14,720
um I was trying to envision how to um I

5462
03:24:14,720 --> 03:24:17,120
do feel like specifically like you guys

5463
03:24:17,120 --> 03:24:18,720
were all here or maybe you two weren't

5464
03:24:18,720 --> 03:24:20,160
when we were putting the roof on like I

5465
03:24:20,160 --> 03:24:23,359
wasn't even aware this even though the plaques right out front was not

5466
03:24:23,359 --> 03:24:24,880
aware this was on the national historic

5467
03:24:24,880 --> 03:24:26,880
registry and when I was reading what

5468
03:24:26,880 --> 03:24:29,279
does it mean to be historical and to

5469
03:24:29,279 --> 03:24:30,720
prepare for this night it says like keep

5470
03:24:30,720 --> 03:24:34,319
it authentic. Well just sort of out of

5471
03:24:34,319 --> 03:24:38,640
the way things evolved we ended up with shingles on the roof. Well, if we

5472
03:24:38,640 --> 03:24:40,160
if I would have known that was historic,

5473
03:24:40,160 --> 03:24:42,640
that would have decision done. Yeah.

5474
03:24:42,640 --> 03:24:43,760
>> That was one of the things that I did

5475
03:24:43,760 --> 03:24:45,680
mention was that because this is on the

5476
03:24:45,680 --> 03:24:47,359
National Historic Registry when we're

5477
03:24:47,359 --> 03:24:49,040
having that discussion,

5478
03:24:49,040 --> 03:24:50,720
>> but I didn't understand that that meant

5479
03:24:50,720 --> 03:24:52,479
to keep it on the once it's on the

5480
03:24:52,479 --> 03:24:54,880
registry, that's an element that that

5481
03:24:54,880 --> 03:24:57,359
preserves the retains the historical

5482
03:24:57,359 --> 03:24:59,439
nature of a bill. Anyways, I was just,

5483
03:24:59,439 --> 03:25:00,800
you know, ignorant. Okay, let's just be

5484
03:25:00,800 --> 03:25:02,560
honest. So, [laughter]

5485
03:25:02,560 --> 03:25:05,279
so anyways, I do feel like um well

5486
03:25:05,279 --> 03:25:06,560
that's what I'm trying to say is how do

5487
03:25:06,560 --> 03:25:08,479
we harness this knowledge, this passion

5488
03:25:08,479 --> 03:25:12,640
in our citizens so that we like as a a a

5489
03:25:12,640 --> 03:25:15,840
municipality are embracing our own

5490
03:25:15,840 --> 03:25:18,080
history and not letting I'm not saying

5491
03:25:18,080 --> 03:25:19,760
not letting like fine go put stuff on

5492
03:25:19,760 --> 03:25:21,680
the registry but what is that how do we

5493
03:25:21,680 --> 03:25:23,760
get engaged in that process so that

5494
03:25:23,760 --> 03:25:26,000
we're we're stewards of the history

5495
03:25:26,000 --> 03:25:28,239
ourselves. So that's my challenge I

5496
03:25:28,239 --> 03:25:30,640
guess to the to your committee is how do

5497
03:25:30,640 --> 03:25:33,120
we um keep keep the council because we

5498
03:25:33,120 --> 03:25:35,279
all change places right and you guys

5499
03:25:35,279 --> 03:25:36,640
might be passionate about this and then

5500
03:25:36,640 --> 03:25:39,200
in 10 years you're gone you know and so

5501
03:25:39,200 --> 03:25:42,080
how do we keep our city municipality

5502
03:25:42,080 --> 03:25:45,120
engaged in preserving the historic in

5503
03:25:45,120 --> 03:25:46,880
addition to like we put money into parks

5504
03:25:46,880 --> 03:25:48,880
like we have park we we do things but

5505
03:25:48,880 --> 03:25:51,279
how to just bring awareness better to

5506
03:25:51,279 --> 03:25:54,000
our own municipalities um the elected

5507
03:25:54,000 --> 03:25:57,040
officials and um the people that are the

5508
03:25:57,040 --> 03:25:59,760
stewards of our these n these city

5509
03:25:59,760 --> 03:26:02,560
treasures that we are stewards of. Okay,

5510
03:26:02,560 --> 03:26:05,760
that was my sort of trying to to um

5511
03:26:05,760 --> 03:26:09,279
merge uh what's been done in the past

5512
03:26:09,279 --> 03:26:11,680
with what we can see in the future. So

5513
03:26:11,680 --> 03:26:14,000
that was my question. Thank you for

5514
03:26:14,000 --> 03:26:14,960
listening.

5515
03:26:14,960 --> 03:26:16,560
>> Okay, Andrew,

5516
03:26:16,560 --> 03:26:18,479
>> I have nothing. I'm total support of it.

5517
03:26:18,479 --> 03:26:20,000
I hope it goes great and would love to

5518
03:26:20,000 --> 03:26:22,880
be a part of it. I I will just add one

5519
03:26:22,880 --> 03:26:25,200
thing since I have a little bit of time.

5520
03:26:25,200 --> 03:26:28,640
We're going to not finish by 9:40. And I

5521
03:26:28,640 --> 03:26:29,359
think there's

5522
03:26:29,359 --> 03:26:32,080
>> Okay, let's just let's try. Let's try.

5523
03:26:32,080 --> 03:26:33,600
>> It's a question. It's a literal

5524
03:26:33,600 --> 03:26:36,399
question. Is it possible for us to add

5525
03:26:36,399 --> 03:26:38,080
15 more minutes for communications when

5526
03:26:38,080 --> 03:26:39,439
we get to that point or did we make a

5527
03:26:39,439 --> 03:26:41,920
motion that just seals the deal? That

5528
03:26:41,920 --> 03:26:43,120
was what I was trying to ask when we

5529
03:26:43,120 --> 03:26:44,800
made the motion. If we could include

5530
03:26:44,800 --> 03:26:46,399
communications, if we can't, then we've

5531
03:26:46,399 --> 03:26:48,880
done it. But I don't know the procedure

5532
03:26:48,880 --> 03:26:49,680
now that we've made.

5533
03:26:49,680 --> 03:26:51,920
>> So, the motion was made by

5534
03:26:51,920 --> 03:26:54,720
>> Jessica and it's passed. So, we're doing

5535
03:26:54,720 --> 03:26:56,319
the cut off at 9:40.

5536
03:26:56,319 --> 03:26:58,239
>> Okay.

5537
03:26:58,239 --> 03:26:59,040
>> Nothing else. No.

5538
03:26:59,040 --> 03:27:01,680
>> Okay. I have a motion. Okay.

5539
03:27:01,680 --> 03:27:05,439
>> I move to approve resolution R2026-14

5540
03:27:05,439 --> 03:27:07,439
establishing the historical preservation

5541
03:27:07,439 --> 03:27:09,920
arts and culture citizen advisory

5542
03:27:09,920 --> 03:27:11,279
committee.

5543
03:27:11,279 --> 03:27:12,080
>> I'll second that.

5544
03:27:12,080 --> 03:27:13,279
>> Okay. It's been moved by Councilwoman

5545
03:27:13,279 --> 03:27:16,560
SMU, seconded by Councilwoman Blackwell.

5546
03:27:16,560 --> 03:27:17,920
Um, let's proceed with the roll call

5547
03:27:17,920 --> 03:27:18,319
vote.

5548
03:27:18,319 --> 03:27:19,359
>> Sarah Blackwell, yes.

5549
03:27:19,359 --> 03:27:20,479
>> Chieman, yes.

5550
03:27:20,479 --> 03:27:22,640
>> Andrew Young, yes. Brenler, yes. Jessica

5551
03:27:22,640 --> 03:27:23,760
Simon. Yes.

5552
03:27:23,760 --> 03:27:26,560
>> Okay. Let's um proceed with staff

5553
03:27:26,560 --> 03:27:30,319
reports. Chiefs, anything.

5554
03:27:30,319 --> 03:27:33,429
>> Heidi.

5555
03:27:33,439 --> 03:27:36,080
Jason. No. Shane, [clears throat]

5556
03:27:36,080 --> 03:27:38,560
>> a couple quick things. Uh Cody Smith was

5557
03:27:38,560 --> 03:27:40,399
here, but he had to catch a flight, so

5558
03:27:40,399 --> 03:27:43,600
he text me that he had to leave. But um

5559
03:27:43,600 --> 03:27:45,120
just there's a couple things being done

5560
03:27:45,120 --> 03:27:47,439
up around the rodeo grounds. Uh there's

5561
03:27:47,439 --> 03:27:50,640
been a it was a little just like a

5562
03:27:50,640 --> 03:27:53,200
little detention basin for the drain on

5563
03:27:53,200 --> 03:27:55,920
the PI reservoir and it was in a great

5564
03:27:55,920 --> 03:27:57,680
place when it was built but now the way

5565
03:27:57,680 --> 03:27:59,279
we use it for parking and everything

5566
03:27:59,279 --> 03:28:01,680
it's not. So they were just the guys

5567
03:28:01,680 --> 03:28:03,840
have been moving that over. Just wanted

5568
03:28:03,840 --> 03:28:06,408
to make you aware of that work. And then

5569
03:28:06,408 --> 03:28:08,960
[clears throat] they they need to

5570
03:28:08,960 --> 03:28:11,040
increase the size of the announcer stand

5571
03:28:11,040 --> 03:28:13,520
and make it more accessible. And so

5572
03:28:13,520 --> 03:28:15,279
that's something that they've got some

5573
03:28:15,279 --> 03:28:18,560
volunteers lined up to um work on. And

5574
03:28:18,560 --> 03:28:25,200
so if you see work going on, that's what that is. Um also just uh

5575
03:28:25,200 --> 03:28:27,840
this was a kind of a project we had

5576
03:28:27,840 --> 03:28:32,080
budgeted um smaller, but it was uh to do

5577
03:28:32,080 --> 03:28:34,239
some tree trimming. Um we had a company

5578
03:28:34,239 --> 03:28:36,640
come in and do tree trimming in some

5579
03:28:36,640 --> 03:28:40,640
select areas at Creekide and uh Burgess.

5580
03:28:40,640 --> 03:28:42,239
Um, it's good for the health of the

5581
03:28:42,239 --> 03:28:45,040
trees and we don't have an arborist. Um,

5582
03:28:45,040 --> 03:28:48,080
so we had to hire this done, but Troy

5583
03:28:48,080 --> 03:28:51,359
said they they cut a lot out and

5584
03:28:51,359 --> 03:28:54,000
hopefully it'll be good in the long run.

5585
03:28:54,000 --> 03:28:55,279
>> I hope so. I

5586
03:28:55,279 --> 03:28:56,560
>> mean, they're [laughter] they're not

5587
03:28:56,560 --> 03:28:58,960
like doing at the point it's problem

5588
03:28:58,960 --> 03:29:01,200
issues like they take all the crossing

5589
03:29:01,200 --> 03:29:03,279
branches out of the canopy. They call it

5590
03:29:03,279 --> 03:29:05,439
a crown clean, I think. I'm not an

5591
03:29:05,439 --> 03:29:07,600
arborist, but that's what I was told.

5592
03:29:07,600 --> 03:29:13,520
So, um just so that project is done. um

5593
03:29:13,520 --> 03:29:16,160
fire station. Um we've been moving

5594
03:29:16,160 --> 03:29:18,720
along. Um we're we've been trying to

5595
03:29:18,720 --> 03:29:22,720
work on the overall cost

5596
03:29:22,720 --> 03:29:27,040
and so it's it's higher than what

5597
03:29:27,040 --> 03:29:30,960
um CIRC's early early cost estimate was

5598
03:29:30,960 --> 03:29:33,120
now that we've you know got the design

5599
03:29:33,120 --> 03:29:35,680
and got the elements that's wanted. And

5600
03:29:35,680 --> 03:29:38,720
so we've been talking about how to move

5601
03:29:38,720 --> 03:29:40,720
forward with this. And what I suggested

5602
03:29:40,720 --> 03:29:45,439
is we get their um best cost any other

5603
03:29:45,439 --> 03:29:47,920
value engineering items that they have

5604
03:29:47,920 --> 03:29:50,160
kind of have a list of all those. If we

5605
03:29:50,160 --> 03:29:52,640
put all of them in, it's this much or if

5606
03:29:52,640 --> 03:29:55,760
we take this one out, it's that deduct.

5607
03:29:55,760 --> 03:29:58,800
bring that to council in two weeks so

5608
03:29:58,800 --> 03:30:01,600
that we can get a final,

5609
03:30:01,600 --> 03:30:04,000
you know, we're ready to push forward

5610
03:30:04,000 --> 03:30:06,000
and finish up construction documents.

5611
03:30:06,000 --> 03:30:07,680
They're they're kind of at a point where

5612
03:30:07,680 --> 03:30:11,279
they they need that. Um yes, we're

5613
03:30:11,279 --> 03:30:13,520
behind this even if it's going to cost a

5614
03:30:13,520 --> 03:30:15,840
little more than original

5615
03:30:15,840 --> 03:30:20,720
um so that they can move it forward and keep on schedule. So that's planned

5616
03:30:20,720 --> 03:30:24,160
for two weeks from tonight. Uh just a

5617
03:30:24,160 --> 03:30:25,680
reminder, Lone Peak Public Safety

5618
03:30:25,680 --> 03:30:29,760
District meeting uh tomorrow morning at

5619
03:30:29,760 --> 03:30:34,160
7:30. Yeah, 7:30. Um the water meeting

5620
03:30:34,160 --> 03:30:36,640
tomorrow night at 7. Maybe the mayor

5621
03:30:36,640 --> 03:30:39,279
will talk more about that. Um we did

5622
03:30:39,279 --> 03:30:41,600
hold the kickoff meeting for the parks

5623
03:30:41,600 --> 03:30:46,080
master plan um last Thursday and talked

5624
03:30:46,080 --> 03:30:48,399
about, you know, how the public process

5625
03:30:48,399 --> 03:30:51,040
will go with that. And so you'll be

5626
03:30:51,040 --> 03:30:53,120
getting more information on that as

5627
03:30:53,120 --> 03:30:56,880
well. Um,

5628
03:30:56,880 --> 03:30:58,880
let's see.

5629
03:30:58,880 --> 03:31:00,960
And funny enough, Ryan, are you still

5630
03:31:00,960 --> 03:31:02,960
on?

5631
03:31:02,960 --> 03:31:04,399
>> Yep, I'm here.

5632
03:31:04,399 --> 03:31:07,200
>> Ryan, he's still kind of with us, but

5633
03:31:07,200 --> 03:31:08,960
kind of not. All of a sudden, he leaves

5634
03:31:08,960 --> 03:31:10,960
and we get this rush of subdivisions

5635
03:31:10,960 --> 03:31:13,760
coming in. So, we've had Smooth Canyon

5636
03:31:13,760 --> 03:31:17,200
Plat B, which is the north half of that

5637
03:31:17,200 --> 03:31:18,880
vacant property south of the Smooth

5638
03:31:18,880 --> 03:31:21,520
Canyon Park that's came in. I don't

5639
03:31:21,520 --> 03:31:24,239
recall how many lots. Um, we received

5640
03:31:24,239 --> 03:31:27,520
the Page property today, both sides of

5641
03:31:27,520 --> 03:31:30,160
Dry Creek. And there's another one below

5642
03:31:30,160 --> 03:31:32,239
the Healey Well, that parcel that was

5643
03:31:32,239 --> 03:31:34,080
owned by the church. They're in the

5644
03:31:34,080 --> 03:31:36,080
process of trading some property with

5645
03:31:36,080 --> 03:31:39,279
someone else. and uh they've been in and

5646
03:31:39,279 --> 03:31:41,680
looking at doing a three or four lot

5647
03:31:41,680 --> 03:31:45,840
development. So, um yeah, there's a lot

5648
03:31:45,840 --> 03:31:46,239
going on,

5649
03:31:46,239 --> 03:31:48,239
>> a lot of stuff going on on that side of

5650
03:31:48,239 --> 03:31:49,279
it.

5651
03:31:49,279 --> 03:31:50,640
>> Uh and that's all I have.

5652
03:31:50,640 --> 03:31:51,840
>> Okay, Brent.

5653
03:31:51,840 --> 03:31:55,200
>> Yeah, just we um Chrissy and the mayor

5654
03:31:55,200 --> 03:31:57,120
and I with Shane have the L public

5655
03:31:57,120 --> 03:31:58,720
safety district meeting tomorrow. Just

5656
03:31:58,720 --> 03:32:00,239
so you know, just like we're going

5657
03:32:00,239 --> 03:32:01,920
through our budget process, we're

5658
03:32:01,920 --> 03:32:03,840
starting the process for the fiscal year

5659
03:32:03,840 --> 03:32:06,239
27 budget with them and we'll try and

5660
03:32:06,239 --> 03:32:08,399
communicate with the council members how

5661
03:32:08,399 --> 03:32:10,319
that process is going. Just so you know,

5662
03:32:10,319 --> 03:32:11,920
the police department says it's been 12

5663
03:32:11,920 --> 03:32:13,200
years since they increase staffing

5664
03:32:13,200 --> 03:32:16,560
levels. So, they are proposing a a

5665
03:32:16,560 --> 03:32:18,560
requesting two additional officer

5666
03:32:18,560 --> 03:32:20,720
positions. One will be a sergeant, one

5667
03:32:20,720 --> 03:32:24,960
will be a patrol officer responding to calls. So, just so

5668
03:32:24,960 --> 03:32:26,720
you know, that's that's been one of

5669
03:32:26,720 --> 03:32:30,560
their requests. And the uh fire

5670
03:32:30,560 --> 03:32:33,359
department noted that last year there

5671
03:32:33,359 --> 03:32:36,319
was an an approval for a staffing

5672
03:32:36,319 --> 03:32:38,960
increase to get to the four and four in

5673
03:32:38,960 --> 03:32:40,239
the station, which has been discussed

5674
03:32:40,239 --> 03:32:42,399
back and forth or for a long period of

5675
03:32:42,399 --> 03:32:45,120
time, but the chief patent brought up at

5676
03:32:45,120 --> 03:32:47,760
our last meeting that the increase to

5677
03:32:47,760 --> 03:32:50,720
nine um might not do the full job of

5678
03:32:50,720 --> 03:32:52,000
getting to four and four, that there

5679
03:32:52,000 --> 03:32:54,399
might be a need for a tenth. So that's

5680
03:32:54,399 --> 03:32:57,040
will be part of the discussion and the

5681
03:32:57,040 --> 03:32:59,760
board requested more historical data

5682
03:32:59,760 --> 03:33:01,600
from the police to look at call volume

5683
03:33:01,600 --> 03:33:04,000
and call volume types, crime increases,

5684
03:33:04,000 --> 03:33:05,760
crime rates to help the board make a

5685
03:33:05,760 --> 03:33:07,920
more informed decision on that staffing

5686
03:33:07,920 --> 03:33:10,399
level request. And we'll do the same

5687
03:33:10,399 --> 03:33:13,200
thing for any increase with fire as

5688
03:33:13,200 --> 03:33:14,479
well. Just want to keep you updated on

5689
03:33:14,479 --> 03:33:15,200
that.

5690
03:33:15,200 --> 03:33:17,760
>> Thank you, Brent. Um, I just want to

5691
03:33:17,760 --> 03:33:19,520
make a motion to extend the meeting to

5692
03:33:19,520 --> 03:33:22,640
9:45 so we can get through comments and

5693
03:33:22,640 --> 03:33:23,840
reports.

5694
03:33:23,840 --> 03:33:25,120
>> No, because you already made the motion.

5695
03:33:25,120 --> 03:33:27,200
You said no later than 8:40.

5696
03:33:27,200 --> 03:33:28,720
>> And I'm amending that.

5697
03:33:28,720 --> 03:33:31,120
>> No, because it's already been voted on.

5698
03:33:31,120 --> 03:33:33,040
>> You voted it on that. You can't amend

5699
03:33:33,040 --> 03:33:33,840
it.

5700
03:33:33,840 --> 03:33:36,479
>> Okay. I'm making a new motion to go to

5701
03:33:36,479 --> 03:33:38,319
45.

5702
03:33:38,319 --> 03:33:40,640
You said to go no later than 8:40.

5703
03:33:40,640 --> 03:33:42,239
>> 9:45 to finish reports.

5704
03:33:42,239 --> 03:33:43,279
>> How can you do that?

5705
03:33:43,279 --> 03:33:44,399
>> Can you make a motion? It would be one

5706
03:33:44,399 --> 03:33:46,720
thing if she said till 8:40, but she

5707
03:33:46,720 --> 03:33:49,279
said no later than 8:40. That was the

5708
03:33:49,279 --> 03:33:50,479
motion

5709
03:33:50,479 --> 03:33:52,399
>> or 9:40. That's my understanding of the

5710
03:33:52,399 --> 03:33:52,880
motion.

5711
03:33:52,880 --> 03:33:53,439
>> 94.

5712
03:33:53,439 --> 03:33:55,680
>> Come on, let's just do this. How does

5713
03:33:55,680 --> 03:33:56,720
that have that motion?

5714
03:33:56,720 --> 03:33:59,040
>> I'm actually curious if she can like can

5715
03:33:59,040 --> 03:34:01,520
we do it in a meeting or is that legally

5716
03:34:01,520 --> 03:34:02,720
illegal?

5717
03:34:02,720 --> 03:34:04,800
>> You can make another motion

5718
03:34:04,800 --> 03:34:08,560
>> to supersede a previous motion.

5719
03:34:08,560 --> 03:34:10,720
>> I'm not all for extending the meeting. I

5720
03:34:10,720 --> 03:34:13,600
think the mayor is trying it long. 4

5721
03:34:13,600 --> 03:34:13,840
minutes

5722
03:34:13,840 --> 03:34:14,800
>> if possible.

5723
03:34:14,800 --> 03:34:15,840
>> Do you want to do it?

5724
03:34:15,840 --> 03:34:17,680
>> Minutes to 9:45.

5725
03:34:17,680 --> 03:34:18,800
>> Okay. Is there a second?

5726
03:34:18,800 --> 03:34:20,000
>> Well, wait. You You're supposed to ask

5727
03:34:20,000 --> 03:34:21,040
for discussion.

5728
03:34:21,040 --> 03:34:23,600
>> No, no, no. I'm asking for a second.

5729
03:34:23,600 --> 03:34:25,439
>> Okay. I'm asking for a second.

5730
03:34:25,439 --> 03:34:26,080
>> Hold on. Hold on.

5731
03:34:26,080 --> 03:34:27,600
>> I don't think you even need a roll call

5732
03:34:27,600 --> 03:34:29,200
vote on this, mayor.

5733
03:34:29,200 --> 03:34:31,600
>> Okay, let's move. It's been moved by

5734
03:34:31,600 --> 03:34:33,200
Councilwoman Smeuan, seconded by

5735
03:34:33,200 --> 03:34:36,000
Councilwoman Blackwell.

5736
03:34:36,000 --> 03:34:36,880
>> Let's proceed.

5737
03:34:36,880 --> 03:34:38,000
>> What? To 9:45.

5738
03:34:38,000 --> 03:34:40,239
>> To 9:45. All in favor?

5739
03:34:40,239 --> 03:34:41,439
>> I.

5740
03:34:41,439 --> 03:34:43,600
>> Any opposed? No.

5741
03:34:43,600 --> 03:34:45,520
>> Okay. So, Andrew Young is the only one

5742
03:34:45,520 --> 03:34:47,040
that's opposed. Okay. She

5743
03:34:47,040 --> 03:34:48,720
>> mostly just off the procedure we just

5744
03:34:48,720 --> 03:34:49,439
did, which is

5745
03:34:49,439 --> 03:34:51,279
>> I will You can make another motion at

5746
03:34:51,279 --> 03:34:53,120
9:45 if you would like, but for right

5747
03:34:53,120 --> 03:34:54,960
now, let's proceed. You said you didn't

5748
03:34:54,960 --> 03:34:57,439
have anything else. So, just wanted to

5749
03:34:57,439 --> 03:34:59,840
um just reiterate the water meeting. We

5750
03:34:59,840 --> 03:35:01,359
are going to have either a

5751
03:35:01,359 --> 03:35:04,239
representative also or um at least

5752
03:35:04,239 --> 03:35:06,160
information from the central water Utah

5753
03:35:06,160 --> 03:35:09,680
conservancy there. Um, I will contact

5754
03:35:09,680 --> 03:35:11,840
everybody. The most the people from the

5755
03:35:11,840 --> 03:35:13,760
water committee already are aware of the

5756
03:35:13,760 --> 03:35:16,160
meeting tomorrow morning at 7 pm. Um,

5757
03:35:16,160 --> 03:35:17,600
Jeff is going to be there. We'll have a

5758
03:35:17,600 --> 03:35:21,279
couple from staff to help residents um,

5759
03:35:21,279 --> 03:35:23,680
download the app and be able to log in

5760
03:35:23,680 --> 03:35:25,359
with their accounts because not

5761
03:35:25,359 --> 03:35:27,439
everyone's going to I don't know my

5762
03:35:27,439 --> 03:35:29,760
Alpine City account number. So we are

5763
03:35:29,760 --> 03:35:31,359
going to have them available so they can

5764
03:35:31,359 --> 03:35:33,840
um have the app and kind of educate them

5765
03:35:33,840 --> 03:35:35,760
how to use it and then talk about cons

5766
03:35:35,760 --> 03:35:38,560
water conservation. Um just wanted to

5767
03:35:38,560 --> 03:35:42,080
say that um announced that we have

5768
03:35:42,080 --> 03:35:45,359
another donor for our community center.

5769
03:35:45,359 --> 03:35:48,319
Altabank has come aboard as and it will

5770
03:35:48,319 --> 03:35:52,319
be the Altabank community room.

5771
03:35:52,319 --> 03:35:55,600
And then um Shane and I have been

5772
03:35:55,600 --> 03:35:57,840
furiously working on an application that

5773
03:35:57,840 --> 03:36:00,640
we will be getting into through Senator,

5774
03:36:00,640 --> 03:36:02,720
not Senator, Congressman Kennedy's

5775
03:36:02,720 --> 03:36:04,880
office, which is due by tomorrow

5776
03:36:04,880 --> 03:36:07,600
morning. And um in fact, I just

5777
03:36:07,600 --> 03:36:09,120
forwarded a bunch of letters of

5778
03:36:09,120 --> 03:36:11,279
recommendations to Heidi to get this

5779
03:36:11,279 --> 03:36:13,600
application going, but it is for

5780
03:36:13,600 --> 03:36:16,319
upsizing of our culinary water tank to

5781
03:36:16,319 --> 03:36:19,680
the 1.5 million gallon tank. Um it won't

5782
03:36:19,680 --> 03:36:22,640
cover even half. I just read that the

5783
03:36:22,640 --> 03:36:24,319
maximum is three million on it and the

5784
03:36:24,319 --> 03:36:26,479
cost of the project is 6.9, but it's

5785
03:36:26,479 --> 03:36:28,880
better than nothing. So, that's what

5786
03:36:28,880 --> 03:36:30,319
we've been working on. I have a ton of

5787
03:36:30,319 --> 03:36:32,239
other things, but I will defer.

5788
03:36:32,239 --> 03:36:34,640
>> Um, really quick on that on those

5789
03:36:34,640 --> 03:36:37,359
Senator or Yeah. Um, Congressman Kennedy

5790
03:36:37,359 --> 03:36:38,800
projects. Are those things that we

5791
03:36:38,800 --> 03:36:41,120
should have also applied to or is that a

5792
03:36:41,120 --> 03:36:42,880
staff thing just in the future so I know

5793
03:36:42,880 --> 03:36:43,680
if that comes?

5794
03:36:43,680 --> 03:36:46,800
>> No. All we No. So that's an earmark for

5795
03:36:46,800 --> 03:36:48,479
any of the congressmen or senators

5796
03:36:48,479 --> 03:36:50,160
within our district

5797
03:36:50,160 --> 03:36:52,000
>> um that we can apply for. And what we

5798
03:36:52,000 --> 03:36:53,520
did was we looked at our big ticket

5799
03:36:53,520 --> 03:36:55,920
items of what needed to be done. So our

5800
03:36:55,920 --> 03:36:58,960
PI water tank or PI well didn't um

5801
03:36:58,960 --> 03:37:00,720
qualify, but Shane is working on a

5802
03:37:00,720 --> 03:37:04,960
separate federal grant for um the the

5803
03:37:04,960 --> 03:37:07,120
well on Heritage Hills Drive or the

5804
03:37:07,120 --> 03:37:12,000
Heritage Well for um drought mitigation.

5805
03:37:12,000 --> 03:37:14,640
Um, so that and then all the, you know,

5806
03:37:14,640 --> 03:37:16,560
we looked at different road projects. We

5807
03:37:16,560 --> 03:37:19,200
looked at, um, the fire station.

5808
03:37:19,200 --> 03:37:21,439
None of that really fit into this. They

5809
03:37:21,439 --> 03:37:22,880
have like eight different categories.

5810
03:37:22,880 --> 03:37:24,239
And then they have a huge [snorts] list

5811
03:37:24,239 --> 03:37:26,319
of what it can and what can't be. And

5812
03:37:26,319 --> 03:37:29,200
none of those really fit in except for

5813
03:37:29,200 --> 03:37:31,920
this. and and um I appreciate um

5814
03:37:31,920 --> 03:37:33,840
Congressman Kennedy's office to help us

5815
03:37:33,840 --> 03:37:35,920
cuz you know we like went through and we

5816
03:37:35,920 --> 03:37:37,200
couldn't find anything until they

5817
03:37:37,200 --> 03:37:40,720
directed us to this thing under like

5818
03:37:40,720 --> 03:37:43,439
tribal and it was kind of crazy but

5819
03:37:43,439 --> 03:37:43,920
anyway

5820
03:37:43,920 --> 03:37:45,760
>> so just like process-wise in the future

5821
03:37:45,760 --> 03:37:47,120
if there's something like that that's

5822
03:37:47,120 --> 03:37:49,040
something that staff would apply for is

5823
03:37:49,040 --> 03:37:52,399
that funding or do council members help

5824
03:37:52,399 --> 03:37:54,560
apply with those or fill out those

5825
03:37:54,560 --> 03:37:55,920
applications or submit those

5826
03:37:55,920 --> 03:37:57,439
applications or is it more

5827
03:37:57,439 --> 03:37:59,200
>> usually like they just want you to do

5828
03:37:59,200 --> 03:38:00,880
one application they say you can do more

5829
03:38:00,880 --> 03:38:02,319
than one but part of the application

5830
03:38:02,319 --> 03:38:04,399
processes is are you applying for more

5831
03:38:04,399 --> 03:38:07,040
than one so it should really you know

5832
03:38:07,040 --> 03:38:09,279
but yeah if there's ever yes

5833
03:38:09,279 --> 03:38:10,880
>> yeah but if you find out about a grant

5834
03:38:10,880 --> 03:38:12,640
from some other way you can you can have

5835
03:38:12,640 --> 03:38:15,520
the idea and staff can help and

5836
03:38:15,520 --> 03:38:17,120
>> we can also consider hire hiring

5837
03:38:17,120 --> 03:38:19,359
consultants or or lobbyist type things

5838
03:38:19,359 --> 03:38:20,800
we've done that in the past

5839
03:38:20,800 --> 03:38:24,080
>> this has been frantic like so Ryan and I

5840
03:38:24,080 --> 03:38:27,920
um I contacted congressman's office set

5841
03:38:27,920 --> 03:38:30,640
up a meeting back in December mber and

5842
03:38:30,640 --> 03:38:34,479
the latest um allocations and the

5843
03:38:34,479 --> 03:38:36,000
restrictions for the programs or the

5844
03:38:36,000 --> 03:38:37,840
program information, it came to us like

5845
03:38:37,840 --> 03:38:41,279
10 days ago and um since Ryan's no

5846
03:38:41,279 --> 03:38:44,080
longer with us, it's we've been trying

5847
03:38:44,080 --> 03:38:46,560
to kind of go through it ourselves. Um

5848
03:38:46,560 --> 03:38:49,600
but yeah, so

5849
03:38:49,600 --> 03:38:51,359
I'm assuming this is our first time ever

5850
03:38:51,359 --> 03:38:52,399
doing it,

5851
03:38:52,399 --> 03:38:54,080
>> so we're just kind of muddling through

5852
03:38:54,080 --> 03:38:56,720
it and so we'll see.

5853
03:38:56,720 --> 03:38:58,479
>> Thank you for that. I'm I have a few

5854
03:38:58,479 --> 03:39:00,960
things, but I'll just share one. Um so

5855
03:39:00,960 --> 03:39:03,600
last um council meeting, Jen Wadsworth

5856
03:39:03,600 --> 03:39:06,239
came and talked about this um community

5857
03:39:06,239 --> 03:39:07,760
neighborhood ambassador team. So I've

5858
03:39:07,760 --> 03:39:09,600
been discussing with her, you know, to

5859
03:39:09,600 --> 03:39:11,120
just the goal is to help improve

5860
03:39:11,120 --> 03:39:13,279
communication throughout the the city.

5861
03:39:13,279 --> 03:39:15,680
So more resident input to the council

5862
03:39:15,680 --> 03:39:17,680
members and vice versa, like more

5863
03:39:17,680 --> 03:39:19,359
council members communication to the

5864
03:39:19,359 --> 03:39:22,080
residents. And so um I've spoken with

5865
03:39:22,080 --> 03:39:23,840
Councilwoman Smeuan and Mayor Merrill

5866
03:39:23,840 --> 03:39:26,880
about this. we have some ideas going and

5867
03:39:26,880 --> 03:39:29,920
um it would require a a little bit of a

5868
03:39:29,920 --> 03:39:31,439
collaboration from all the council

5869
03:39:31,439 --> 03:39:32,720
members which is part of the reason why

5870
03:39:32,720 --> 03:39:35,439
I'm bringing this up is it would require

5871
03:39:35,439 --> 03:39:37,920
a little bit more effort on our part to

5872
03:39:37,920 --> 03:39:40,720
communicate with we've divi the idea is

5873
03:39:40,720 --> 03:39:42,880
divide the city into 10 zones and each

5874
03:39:42,880 --> 03:39:45,680
of us take two zones so we can we can

5875
03:39:45,680 --> 03:39:48,239
help communicate those important things

5876
03:39:48,239 --> 03:39:49,760
to those two zones or if there's

5877
03:39:49,760 --> 03:39:52,880
something that um is on the agenda that

5878
03:39:52,880 --> 03:39:55,359
applies specifically ally to one zone or

5879
03:39:55,359 --> 03:39:57,439
one neighborhood in that zone. It's a

5880
03:39:57,439 --> 03:39:59,520
great way for them to just receive an

5881
03:39:59,520 --> 03:40:01,120
additional like reminder. Hey, you might

5882
03:40:01,120 --> 03:40:03,760
want to show up to uh city council

5883
03:40:03,760 --> 03:40:05,840
meeting or planning commission meeting,

5884
03:40:05,840 --> 03:40:08,720
vice versa. But so I guess my request is

5885
03:40:08,720 --> 03:40:10,640
that you as council members just think

5886
03:40:10,640 --> 03:40:12,880
about that and your time. I know you

5887
03:40:12,880 --> 03:40:14,960
already gave so much, but if that's

5888
03:40:14,960 --> 03:40:16,640
something you're willing to do, I'll

5889
03:40:16,640 --> 03:40:18,080
just I'll probably reach out to you

5890
03:40:18,080 --> 03:40:21,600
oneonone and get your feedback.

5891
03:40:21,600 --> 03:40:22,399
>> Thank you.

5892
03:40:22,399 --> 03:40:24,800
>> Okay. Um,

5893
03:40:24,800 --> 03:40:27,040
one thing, the sculpture garden, um,

5894
03:40:27,040 --> 03:40:29,840
group is being more active and there's a

5895
03:40:29,840 --> 03:40:31,439
movie, there's a little film being put

5896
03:40:31,439 --> 03:40:33,920
out and I hope you don't mind that I

5897
03:40:33,920 --> 03:40:37,120
spoke on our behalf. So, you can give a

5898
03:40:37,120 --> 03:40:39,680
thumbs up or thumbs down like Netflix

5899
03:40:39,680 --> 03:40:42,000
after you see it.

5900
03:40:42,000 --> 03:40:42,960
>> That's right.

5901
03:40:42,960 --> 03:40:43,920
>> It's your dream.

5902
03:40:43,920 --> 03:40:48,000
>> It is my dream. Um Carla um the mayor

5903
03:40:48,000 --> 03:40:50,479
asked me before I was on council to help

5904
03:40:50,479 --> 03:40:53,680
out with our um Alpine City Legacy

5905
03:40:53,680 --> 03:40:56,479
Foundation. It's a nonprofit and I think

5906
03:40:56,479 --> 03:40:58,960
that we could um we've been doing some

5907
03:40:58,960 --> 03:41:01,279
paperwork and I've been looking at the

5908
03:41:01,279 --> 03:41:03,279
donation history. We could really ramp

5909
03:41:03,279 --> 03:41:06,479
that up a little. So with um more

5910
03:41:06,479 --> 03:41:08,880
exposure and I was thinking specifically

5911
03:41:08,880 --> 03:41:10,800
of the historic arts like if there's

5912
03:41:10,800 --> 03:41:12,479
people who are just really passionate

5913
03:41:12,479 --> 03:41:14,000
and they want to do something for the

5914
03:41:14,000 --> 03:41:16,160
city and they want a tax write off then

5915
03:41:16,160 --> 03:41:17,920
we just simply donate it to this

5916
03:41:17,920 --> 03:41:20,080
foundation and forward the money onto

5917
03:41:20,080 --> 03:41:22,399
the city. So I just want to uh promote

5918
03:41:22,399 --> 03:41:24,880
that as a way to um if because

5919
03:41:24,880 --> 03:41:27,600
specifically like sometimes people

5920
03:41:27,600 --> 03:41:29,680
anyways that's an option. We'll bring

5921
03:41:29,680 --> 03:41:31,920
more details in the future. Um, so far

5922
03:41:31,920 --> 03:41:34,399
it's been mostly for the um baseball

5923
03:41:34,399 --> 03:41:36,640
field. So, which we haven't named yet,

5924
03:41:36,640 --> 03:41:38,800
by the way.

5925
03:41:38,800 --> 03:41:41,359
Is it Is it printed anywhere on

5926
03:41:41,359 --> 03:41:43,040
>> There's a sign out there.

5927
03:41:43,040 --> 03:41:44,880
>> Oh, well, I walk there all the time. It

5928
03:41:44,880 --> 03:41:46,319
must be a very small sign.

5929
03:41:46,319 --> 03:41:48,160
>> Yeah,

5930
03:41:48,160 --> 03:41:50,640
>> on the concrete, isn't it? Back up.

5931
03:41:50,640 --> 03:41:52,479
>> Uh, I will look for it and report back.

5932
03:41:52,479 --> 03:41:54,319
Thank you. Sorry for that misstatement.

5933
03:41:54,319 --> 03:41:56,960
Take strike that from the minutes. Okay.

5934
03:41:56,960 --> 03:41:59,040
It's We're up. It has a beautiful sign.

5935
03:41:59,040 --> 03:42:02,160
We're very grateful for it. Okay. Um, I

5936
03:42:02,160 --> 03:42:03,520
will be I already announced I'll be

5937
03:42:03,520 --> 03:42:05,040
meeting with the Mountainville Traffic

5938
03:42:05,040 --> 03:42:07,200
Force uh traffic task force again on

5939
03:42:07,200 --> 03:42:10,319
March 23rd. I hope that we are like

5940
03:42:10,319 --> 03:42:12,880
ironing out the details of the plan. Um,

5941
03:42:12,880 --> 03:42:15,200
then the 24th we vote and the 26th is

5942
03:42:15,200 --> 03:42:17,760
the uh Mountainville Academy. So, just

5943
03:42:17,760 --> 03:42:20,080
remember those dates. I think showing up

5944
03:42:20,080 --> 03:42:22,960
in person um Andrew couldn't go and so

5945
03:42:22,960 --> 03:42:24,560
he text me and said, "Can you run over

5946
03:42:24,560 --> 03:42:26,640
there?" I think it just helps to like

5947
03:42:26,640 --> 03:42:28,800
get to know each other. So, um, don't be

5948
03:42:28,800 --> 03:42:31,439
afraid to attend a Mountainville Academy

5949
03:42:31,439 --> 03:42:32,640
board meeting.

5950
03:42:32,640 --> 03:42:34,399
>> It's the 26th of March.

5951
03:42:34,399 --> 03:42:35,760
>> What?

5952
03:42:35,760 --> 03:42:36,880
>> I don't know. Okay.

5953
03:42:36,880 --> 03:42:37,520
>> Seven.

5954
03:42:37,520 --> 03:42:38,800
>> And where?

5955
03:42:38,800 --> 03:42:40,000
>> You know what? We'll get you those

5956
03:42:40,000 --> 03:42:42,319
details. We We'll get you those details.

5957
03:42:42,319 --> 03:42:46,160
Um, it is the evening of the 26th. Okay.

5958
03:42:46,160 --> 03:42:48,319
Um, April, we're having the Utah League

5959
03:42:48,319 --> 03:42:50,640
of City of Towns Conference. Um, April

5960
03:42:50,640 --> 03:42:53,680
22nd through the 24th. And so, um, I've

5961
03:42:53,680 --> 03:42:56,000
I know my hotel has already been

5962
03:42:56,000 --> 03:42:58,080
reserved. So, just if you're not if

5963
03:42:58,080 --> 03:43:00,640
you're not planning to attend and having

5964
03:43:00,640 --> 03:43:02,720
second thoughts, I want you to be aware

5965
03:43:02,720 --> 03:43:06,239
of the dates. Finally, um the I visited

5966
03:43:06,239 --> 03:43:09,279
our Alpine Library and um they've

5967
03:43:09,279 --> 03:43:11,439
expanded. One thing I wasn't aware of is

5968
03:43:11,439 --> 03:43:12,880
two things I think is important for us

5969
03:43:12,880 --> 03:43:14,960
to understand as a city is they now have

5970
03:43:14,960 --> 03:43:16,720
a permanent home. And I'm talking really

5971
03:43:16,720 --> 03:43:18,399
fast. They have a permanent home because

5972
03:43:18,399 --> 03:43:20,160
the the home and the land have been

5973
03:43:20,160 --> 03:43:22,640
donated to their nonprofit. So, they are

5974
03:43:22,640 --> 03:43:24,880
no longer looking for a location that is

5975
03:43:24,880 --> 03:43:26,800
permanent. The second thing is they've

5976
03:43:26,800 --> 03:43:28,640
advanced from a children's library to a

5977
03:43:28,640 --> 03:43:31,279
fullfledged library and they'd like to

5978
03:43:31,279 --> 03:43:34,800
expand their services. That's it for me.

5979
03:43:34,800 --> 03:43:35,840
>> Andrew,

5980
03:43:35,840 --> 03:43:37,120
>> well, what do you want me to do? Because

5981
03:43:37,120 --> 03:43:38,239
it's 9:45. I

5982
03:43:38,239 --> 03:43:40,160
>> know. You got one minute.

5983
03:43:40,160 --> 03:43:41,040
>> Well, [laughter]

5984
03:43:41,040 --> 03:43:42,399
>> can I make a motion to

5985
03:43:42,399 --> 03:43:44,560
>> You can make a motion if there'll be

5986
03:43:44,560 --> 03:43:46,640
>> I'd like to make a motion that we extend

5987
03:43:46,640 --> 03:43:48,399
the meeting till Andrew is finished with

5988
03:43:48,399 --> 03:43:49,040
his comments.

5989
03:43:49,040 --> 03:43:50,319
>> Well, that's dangerous.

5990
03:43:50,319 --> 03:43:52,720
>> No longer than five minutes. [laughter]

5991
03:43:52,720 --> 03:43:54,560
>> I'll second that. I'll second the five

5992
03:43:54,560 --> 03:43:55,120
minute. Okay.

5993
03:43:55,120 --> 03:43:55,920
>> 5 minutes.

5994
03:43:55,920 --> 03:43:56,800
>> Okay.

5995
03:43:56,800 --> 03:43:58,560
>> 950. Wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. We

5996
03:43:58,560 --> 03:44:00,640
got a motion and a second to 950. All in

5997
03:44:00,640 --> 03:44:01,199
favor?

5998
03:44:01,199 --> 03:44:01,840
>> I.

5999
03:44:01,840 --> 03:44:05,120
>> Okay. 950.

6000
03:44:05,120 --> 03:44:07,040
>> Jessica.

6001
03:44:07,040 --> 03:44:08,479
>> Okay. Got four minutes now.

6002
03:44:08,479 --> 03:44:08,800
>> Okay.

6003
03:44:08,800 --> 03:44:09,760
>> Go. Andrew.

6004
03:44:09,760 --> 03:44:10,880
>> Heidi. You could bring up a couple

6005
03:44:10,880 --> 03:44:12,800
images in that folder. This is very

6006
03:44:12,800 --> 03:44:15,920
quick. Folks at the Smooth Canyon Park

6007
03:44:15,920 --> 03:44:19,359
would like a sign that keeps the dogs on

6008
03:44:19,359 --> 03:44:22,479
leashes. Guess there was a biting.

6009
03:44:22,479 --> 03:44:24,239
Sorry, not that one. Not that one. You

6010
03:44:24,239 --> 03:44:25,840
can go through it. Not that one. Not

6011
03:44:25,840 --> 03:44:28,399
that one. Keep going. Um, they would

6012
03:44:28,399 --> 03:44:31,840
like it so that there is Well, you can

6013
03:44:31,840 --> 03:44:33,359
envision the park. It should be in

6014
03:44:33,359 --> 03:44:36,239
there. You might have to refresh.

6015
03:44:36,239 --> 03:44:38,399
Oh, those are good. All right. We can

6016
03:44:38,399 --> 03:44:40,960
talk about those later. Anyways,

6017
03:44:40,960 --> 03:44:44,160
>> Smooth Canyon Smooth Canyon Park would

6018
03:44:44,160 --> 03:44:45,840
they would like a sign. How do I get a

6019
03:44:45,840 --> 03:44:47,760
sign that said that's just like the one

6020
03:44:47,760 --> 03:44:49,760
on the other park? You can let me know

6021
03:44:49,760 --> 03:44:54,479
in an email or whenever you'd like. They had a dog biting and they've been

6022
03:44:54,479 --> 03:44:56,720
uh interested in having a sign put up.

6023
03:44:56,720 --> 03:44:58,080
People are using Smooth Canyon Park as

6024
03:44:58,080 --> 03:45:00,160
an off leash dog park and I guess there

6025
03:45:00,160 --> 03:45:01,600
was someone they they'd like us to do

6026
03:45:01,600 --> 03:45:03,520
something. The Alpine Highway Easement,

6027
03:45:03,520 --> 03:45:04,720
if you bring up a couple of those other

6028
03:45:04,720 --> 03:45:08,399
images. I just had a couple that that uh

6029
03:45:08,399 --> 03:45:11,920
one uh keep going. This one? That one?

6030
03:45:11,920 --> 03:45:14,479
Go back. Uh so this is probably

6031
03:45:14,479 --> 03:45:16,880
important. I don't the the we're going

6032
03:45:16,880 --> 03:45:18,880
deep diving in to figure out who owns

6033
03:45:18,880 --> 03:45:20,880
this land. Okay. There's an easement off

6034
03:45:20,880 --> 03:45:22,880
of Alpine Highway. We're trying to

6035
03:45:22,880 --> 03:45:24,319
figure out who owns it. I'm about to

6036
03:45:24,319 --> 03:45:25,840
just do it myself. However, I wanted to

6037
03:45:25,840 --> 03:45:28,239
ask how we went about the process with

6038
03:45:28,239 --> 03:45:31,040
the last land that we tried to find out.

6039
03:45:31,040 --> 03:45:32,880
You can email me how that process was if

6040
03:45:32,880 --> 03:45:34,960
the city did it or I'm talking about the

6041
03:45:34,960 --> 03:45:40,080
trail um by Ridge Drive.

6042
03:45:40,080 --> 03:45:40,640
>> Yeah.

6043
03:45:40,640 --> 03:45:43,040
that was it was a council motion

6044
03:45:43,040 --> 03:45:44,640
>> and just as a personal I've gone through

6045
03:45:44,640 --> 03:45:46,640
it. it looks like Alpine City owns it

6046
03:45:46,640 --> 03:45:48,319
because if you can see Alpine's the only

6047
03:45:48,319 --> 03:45:50,880
thing connected to it uh where the park

6048
03:45:50,880 --> 03:45:54,160
is. So once we establish ownership and

6049
03:45:54,160 --> 03:45:56,479
before doing that are you guys okay or

6050
03:45:56,479 --> 03:45:58,640
does anyone have any qualms with me

6051
03:45:58,640 --> 03:46:00,160
working with the private owners to put

6052
03:46:00,160 --> 03:46:02,479
up a sign that says private throughway

6053
03:46:02,479 --> 03:46:05,439
no through traffic. Is there any thing I

6054
03:46:05,439 --> 03:46:08,160
should be I should be aware of to not do

6055
03:46:08,160 --> 03:46:10,560
that? That's what the private people are

6056
03:46:10,560 --> 03:46:12,239
asking for and I said I'd bring it up in

6057
03:46:12,239 --> 03:46:14,080
council.

6058
03:46:14,080 --> 03:46:15,600
the easement. No one knows who owns it,

6059
03:46:15,600 --> 03:46:16,800
but they own their own property. It

6060
03:46:16,800 --> 03:46:18,399
would be on their own property. Does

6061
03:46:18,399 --> 03:46:19,840
that create a problem? I don't know. If

6062
03:46:19,840 --> 03:46:21,120
it does, let me know.

6063
03:46:21,120 --> 03:46:24,239
>> Not not on the sign, but on the

6064
03:46:24,239 --> 03:46:26,880
potential what you call maybe city

6065
03:46:26,880 --> 03:46:27,600
property.

6066
03:46:27,600 --> 03:46:27,920
>> Okay.

6067
03:46:27,920 --> 03:46:32,000
>> And just remember that the city property

6068
03:46:32,000 --> 03:46:35,120
um the extension of Alageney Way has

6069
03:46:35,120 --> 03:46:37,199
only been there for,

6070
03:46:37,199 --> 03:46:39,439
>> you know, 15 years or something like

6071
03:46:39,439 --> 03:46:40,160
that, right?

6072
03:46:40,160 --> 03:46:43,040
>> And this gap existed way before that.

6073
03:46:43,040 --> 03:46:44,560
>> Right. No. Okay. So, anyways, we're

6074
03:46:44,560 --> 03:46:45,600
working on it.

6075
03:46:45,600 --> 03:46:46,640
>> We're working on it. Hope to find

6076
03:46:46,640 --> 03:46:47,760
answers. You might see a sign. If you

6077
03:46:47,760 --> 03:46:49,199
have a problem, let us know. Uh because

6078
03:46:49,199 --> 03:46:50,880
right now, no one knows who owns it. Uh

6079
03:46:50,880 --> 03:46:52,720
working on a trail ordinance. The trail

6080
03:46:52,720 --> 03:46:53,920
committee is asking for a trail

6081
03:46:53,920 --> 03:46:55,760
ordinance so they can put up sign for no

6082
03:46:55,760 --> 03:46:57,920
motorized vehicles. The Alpine Sculpture

6083
03:46:57,920 --> 03:47:01,439
Garden had a big update. Uh and

6084
03:47:01,439 --> 03:47:04,960
basically, it's too long to tell. Uh but

6085
03:47:04,960 --> 03:47:05,439
yeah,

6086
03:47:05,439 --> 03:47:06,479
>> next next time.

6087
03:47:06,479 --> 03:47:08,640
>> Next one. Uh, I just was hoping to find

6088
03:47:08,640 --> 03:47:10,399
out if there is any status on the fences

6089
03:47:10,399 --> 03:47:11,600
amendment or if you wanted me to do

6090
03:47:11,600 --> 03:47:13,840
anything with that or the three others

6091
03:47:13,840 --> 03:47:15,920
that we have submitted. Um,

6092
03:47:15,920 --> 03:47:17,760
>> we we have an offer going out to

6093
03:47:17,760 --> 03:47:19,760
someone. I didn't update you on that

6094
03:47:19,760 --> 03:47:21,199
position. Sorry, I

6095
03:47:21,199 --> 03:47:23,359
>> take your time.

6096
03:47:23,359 --> 03:47:26,630
>> What's that?

6097
03:47:26,640 --> 03:47:30,229
» No, we don't.

6098
03:47:30,239 --> 03:47:31,840
» All right. I I can save the other things

6099
03:47:31,840 --> 03:47:36,160
for after. Thanks for all the time.

6100
03:47:36,160 --> 03:47:38,319
Okay. If there's nothing further, I'll

6101
03:47:38,319 --> 03:47:39,840
entertain a motion to adjurnn.

6102
03:47:39,840 --> 03:47:40,880
>> I move to adjurnn.

6103
03:47:40,880 --> 03:47:44,000
>> Is there a second?

6104
03:47:44,000 --> 03:47:45,120
>> I second.

6105
03:47:45,120 --> 03:47:47,680
>> Okay. Councilwoman Smeuan moved.

6106
03:47:47,680 --> 03:47:50,640
Counciloman Hanaman seconded um to

6107
03:47:50,640 --> 03:47:52,080
adjurnn. All in favor?

6108
03:47:52,080 --> 03:47:53,040
>> I

6109
03:47:53,040 --> 03:47:54,800
>> opposed.

6110
03:47:54,800 --> 03:47:56,560
Okay.

6111
03:47:56,560 --> 03:47:56,800
Meeting

6112
03:47:56,800 --> 03:47:59,800
>> adjourned.