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Okay, let's call to order. City Council

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meeting March 24th, 2026

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um for Alpine City Council. We'll start

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with a roll call. Um

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starting from Councilwoman Hanaman.

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>> Chrissy Hanaman here.

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>> Andrew Young here. Rmler present.

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>> Jessica present.

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>> Sarah Blackwell present. Okay, we'll

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have a prayer um le given by

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Councilwoman Haniman and a pledge led by

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Councilman Rumler.

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Our dear heavenly father, grateful for

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this opportunity to gather together and

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meet and discuss the business of the

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city and um hear from many good people

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who contribute to the uh well-being of

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our residents and things that we need to

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have accomplished. We're grateful for

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those that serve in every capacity and

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those uh staff that work hard to

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maintain so many of our programs and um

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facilities and um look out for us. And

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we're grateful for um the

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opportunity we have to exercise faith

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that we may get more water, more snow,

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whatever moisture we can muster. We're

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as a community because everybody needs

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it. And we see these things through

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Christ. Amen.

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>> Amen.

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>> Please rise for the pledge of

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>> allegiance

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to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for which it

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stands. One nation under God,

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indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.

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» Okay, we'll move on to item two on our

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consent calendar or the consent

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calendar. Does anybody have questions

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regarding the items?

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>> Uh, I just I just had a quick couple if

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uh I'm pulling it up right now. Sorry.

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everything was so fun before this

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happened that I didn't have time to uh

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pull it up. But basically, do you mind

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just explaining the surplus? It's the

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surplus, right?

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>> Yeah.

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>> The surplus, how that works because it's

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new for the the new two city councilors.

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>> Um just explain briefly. And then is

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this basically in regards to uh um

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mostly the park grass and things like

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that dealing with that? That's what I

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could glean from the different um uh I I

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I'm pulling up my notes, but that's what

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I could glean from the uh different uh

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machinery, what it's for, and then what

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we do we need to get new stuff. Is that

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what's going on?

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>> It's it's parks equipment. Um some of

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it, you know, our our previous parks uh

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head of our parks was

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very much mechanic and he would hold on

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to things a little longer because he

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>> fix them up,

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>> parts off one or whatever.

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>> Sounds like my house.

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>> Yeah. And he he had a unique set of

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capabilities. And Troy's awesome with

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parts. He's just not as much of a

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mechanic as Cal. Um, but this is stuff

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like he didn't even use these mowers

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last year and this equipment and it's

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just taking up space and um he's our guy now and they have other

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mowers that they do use and have uh

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enough. So rather than just let them sit

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there and depreciate,

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we talked about it and and decided we

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should just sell these and um you know

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we might need something like a new piece

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of equipment like a different airator or

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something that's more efficient or

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something like that that we'd bring in

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the future maybe next year's budget.

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>> So it would just go back to new

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equipment the money that we get for it.

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>> Yeah, we just put it in a kind of an

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equipment replacement fund. Cool.

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>> Last thing is just for for anyone, this

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is the time to air rate your lawn

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deatchch for for the for the summer

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coming up. We just did ours. It'll it's

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really important for this summer. That's

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>> Yeah. And if I mean, just so you know

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how this will be sold, we uh we post

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this equipment on public surplus. And I

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mean, we've we've sold equipment to

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Quebec, Canada before,

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uh a dump truck a few years ago. And I

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was shocked it went that far, but a lot

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of it goes around here. Some does go out

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of state and and different places.

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>> Maybe in the future we could make it so

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some of the residents could buy our off

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equipment. I've been buying equipment.

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>> They can get on there and buy anyone's

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welcome to bid. You don't have to have

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any kind of membership or anything like

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that.

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>> Well, maybe we give them a an early

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access or something.

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>> No, it has to be a fair and open bid.

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>> Competitive.

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>> Well, but not fair for them. They they

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>> Oh, it does.

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>> Yes. Well, we got to change that. We got

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to give them a little benefit.

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>> I mean, they're the ones that paying for

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the equipment.

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>> Let's move on, guys. Okay. If there's no

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other questions regarding

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>> the consent calendar, I'll entertain a

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motion.

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» Let me see. I'll move to approve the

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consent calendar.

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>> Second.

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>> Okay. It's been moved by Councilman

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Rumler, seconded by Councilwoman Smeuan.

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Any further discussions or questions

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regarding the motion? If not, let's

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proceed with the roll call vote.

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Chrissy.

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>> Chrissy Henman. Yes.

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>> Andrew Young, yes. Brad Rama, yes.

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>> Jessica Smeuan, yes.

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>> Sarah Blackwell, yes.

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>> Okay. Consent calendar passes. We'll

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move on to

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um can I get a vote to switch around

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public comment to after the reports and

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presentations just because I know that

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we need to get the mayor to his city

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council meeting tonight.

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I move that we put item number three,

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public comment, after item number four,

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reports and presentations.

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>> Is there a second?

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>> Okay, it's been moved by Councilwoman

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Blackwell, seconded by Councilman

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Rumler. Um, any questions regarding

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>> The only discussion is just if there are

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residents who are came in, if they want

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to make a public comment, you they a lot

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of them don't know the process. You get

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a card, you give it to uh Deianne, gives it to the mayor and that

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gives you approval to make a comment. So

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it'll be in like 20 30 minutes probably.

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>> Okay. Any um Okay. No further

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discussions. Let's proceed with roll

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call vote.

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>> Gracie Hanaman, yes.

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>> Andrew Young, yes.

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>> Brent Rler, yes.

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>> Jessica Young, yes.

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>> Senator Blackwell, yes. Motion passes.

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So we'll move on to reports and

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presentations item four and put public

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comment directly after. Um, let we'll

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start with the Highland Alpine Chamber

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of Commerce.

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The buttons just on the on the bottom

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part of the microphone. I got you.

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>> There we go.

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>> Is that working?

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>> All right. Thank you, mayor and city

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council for having me over today. Um, so

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my name is Rob Cwley. president of the

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Highland Alpine Chamber of Commerce. Um,

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just a quick intro about my background.

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So, I grew up in American Fork. We moved

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to Highland when I was uh still young

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and uh I went to BYU, got a masters in

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accounting there, worked for one of the

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big five CPA firms here in Salt Lake

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City for several years, became a senior

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auditor there. um left that and became

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more of a CFO controller type for many

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years and then became an entrepreneur

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and now I have ownership in about seven

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businesses and

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um a lot of fun. So that's a little bit

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about me. The uh I also was on the city

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council in Cedar Hills for a few years

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and uh

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with that I've I've always had an

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interest in politics. So, how this uh

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chamber of commerce came about, I'll

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just tell you the background on that. Um

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I was interviewing many of the

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candidates for uh Highland City Council

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and Ron Campbell uh current city council

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member there mentioned that he really

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thought we needed a Highland um chamber

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of commerce

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and uh I hadn't really thought about

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that until then, but it just kept

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popping up in my mind and about November

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of last year, I thought that would

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really help my businesses. I have seven

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of them and a lot of residents have no

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idea that I even have a business. So, um

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that city council idea kept rumbling

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around in my mind and we uh got a hold

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of Ron, got a hold of other businesses

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in the area and started formulating a

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plan to start the Highland City Council

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or Highland Chamber of Commerce and uh I

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have never seen an idea catch on so

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quickly. I went throughout the city

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asking people that were business owners

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and I think I talked to 70 business

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owners in the Highland area and I think

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I had two that seemed kind of eh I'm not

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interested and 68 were like yeah we

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really need that and so it became kind

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of a passion for a while to get that

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started. We actually incorporated

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beginning of February. Uh filed our

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501c6 uh right around the same time.

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We've now got the approval back from the

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IRS that we're officially a nonprofit

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501c6 and uh everything's in order and filed and everything. And uh we

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during our first organizing meetings

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back in January, uh Chris Lendell, who

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is the owner of um what is it? it's uh

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Anytime Fitness. He was he was on our

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kind of uh organizing board and he said,

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you know, Alpine really should be part

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of this and uh so that came up and we

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ended up having a vote in that meeting

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and it was about nine to zero to include

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Alpine and so from that we just decided

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to name it Highland Alpine Chamber of

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Commerce and uh the discussion was

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there's a lot of shopping patterns that

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are similar for the Alpine and Highland

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area. a lot of businesses are similar,

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the demographics are similar between the

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two cities

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>> and uh it just made sense. So we

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included Alpine in it from the beginning

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from that point I should say that was

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about uh January February time frame and

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I will say I'd been gathering interest

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between the businesses for several

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months by that point in Highland. So

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we're a little bit behind in in Alpine.

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But uh once we organized the beginning

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of February, it's been a little over a

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month, we've already got I think 29

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members of our Chamber of Commerce and

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for a month and a half, that's pretty

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remarkable. That shows how much interest

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there was. And uh it's growing every

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day. We we get new companies signing up

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daily. And uh we started contacting the

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Alpine area shortly thereafter, about

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February time frame. And it takes it

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takes a couple months to get the

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interest up uh to get the contacts and

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everything, but we're starting to get

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signups from Alpine Area 2. Hugh and him

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signed up recently. Anna Robinson, uh

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Hidden Gymn Spa, Ben Nilson, they became

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a sponsor company. Ala Bank is a sponsor

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company. Um Courage Reigns from Highland

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is a sponsor sponsored company. Golds

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crypto al um Pizza Pie Cafe. And now we

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have our first organizing, our first uh

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meeting or lunchon is planned for

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tomorrow at 11 over at Pizza Pie Cafe.

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So, a lot of momentum, a lot of

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excitement about it. And I feel like

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with um our push is going to be to

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introduce the residents to businesses, to the residents, and get

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people to shop local in by increasing

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the uh uh increasing the uh tax revenue

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for the cities. um because we are

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locally central to Alpine Highland area,

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then we feel like um that will be a big

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push of ours to get the people in this

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area to shop locally and increase the

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tax revenue. So, member benefits, if I

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still have time, I I think I'm right. Uh

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free admission to monthly lunchons,

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unlimited seats, one city appointed

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board seat. Um we have nine members of

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our board. Uh there's two empty spots.

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One is reserved for a um an Alpine city

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council member and one's reserved for an

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Alpine business because we're trying to

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even up the Alpine and Highland um board

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members. Um inclus inclusion as a

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trustee member in the chamber of

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publications marketing. Um so we'll

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always be mentioning Alpine City if

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you're part of our chamber. Um we will

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be the business development arm of the

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city. We'll help build build goodwill

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with business community and city. Um

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kind of act as a liaison between

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businesses and city um support Alpine

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City and the Alpine days. Uh we'd like

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to, you know, jump in and support as

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much as we can this year and increase

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that support each year. Um strengthen

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communication between city and business

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community and help businesses succeed um

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increasing the taxes of the city. So

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those are the goals. Uh I want to leave

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some time for people to ask questions of

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me or about the chamber, about myself,

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about uh our goals as a chamber. You

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guys have any questions?

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>> Rob, thanks for coming. Yeah, just real

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quick ones. Now, and this is as much for

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us as well. Can we only be part of one

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chamber?

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>> No, I think you can be part of

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>> as many as you want.

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>> So, this is not like a andor thing or it

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could be both or could be one of the

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other. Okay.

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>> Absolutely. Y

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>> um Yeah. And then I had one other that

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I'll remember as soon as someone else

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starts. So, go ahead.

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I was curious about um because I I do on

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some somebody said that we only have

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like 12 retail. Do you know what is our

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what can you spec can you tell me about

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your research on Alpine businesses and

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what are their retail establishments and

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what's your goal specifically?

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>> This this explains why it's so needed.

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Um, I've already found about a hundred

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Alpine businesses and I think we'll end

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up with 200 at least once we dive into

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the in-home businesses and people have

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no idea these businesses are here. Um,

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and so we plan on publishing uh a list

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of businesses in Alpine and Highland

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eventually here uh probably late summer

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and trying to get that out to all the

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residents so everyone knows, hey, if I

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need someone to trim my trees, there's

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one or two options right here. I don't

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have to call someone from Provo down to

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trim my trees or if I need someone to

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fix my sprinklers. We have uh all the

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resources we need for 90% of our

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business needs within Highland and

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Alpine. And so that's that's a beautiful

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thing about it. So far I found 130

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Highland businesses and about 100 Alpine

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businesses.

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Um, okay. I work in Alpine

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>> and um, under this Alpine address, I

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think I had counted today because I'm

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working on registration with the state,

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11 entities, but all of our operations

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are out of state.

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>> So, when you say that there's a hundred

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like I'm or 200 and I worked in I've

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worked this is my third job with Alpine

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address business license

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>> and most of the operations are not

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conducted inside of the city. Um, and so

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I'm I'm still trying to figure out what

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our needs are as a city for the the

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Chamber of Commerce. Um, we do have a

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few retail things like uh Alpine

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Fitness, which like you said is Anytime

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Fitness or

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>> um what are some other guys? Oh, Hugh

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and Ham, you did say that. You know, so

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I'm trying to understand how you

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perceive our needs to be because

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although I have 11 entities registered

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in the state of Utah with an alpine

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address, zero zero business activity

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happens in the state. So how does that

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work?

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>> Zero business activity happens in the

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state. I don't get that.

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>> We have all our operations are out of

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state.

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>> Oh, for your business? Okay.

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>> Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Like I if

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you went to the secretary of state and

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looked at all the businesses registered

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in Alpine, like we have zero like

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business operations here, but they're

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registered here because our headquarters

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are here. Oh,

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>> okay. That makes sense. Um I I think the

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one of the biggest goals I have is to

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help the residents know what businesses

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are here, the inhome businesses, the

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storefront businesses, and help dispel

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the the idea that they have to go

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outside of Alpine and Highland area to

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shop. So of the like one or 200 hundred,

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there may be more that would be like

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more retail in nature where like mine

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are not obviously.

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>> Well, for instance, one of my neighbors

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um they have a caramel apple company.

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They sell caramel apples. No one would

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have known that they do that if they

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don't get their word out. And so we're

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going to have them on our list. If you

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want to buy caramel apples, you can buy

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it from them. Um another one of my

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neighbors is is a plumber. You know, he

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works on the side. Um well he he does

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plumbing and he does landscaping and all

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kinds of different things. But um yeah,

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I think we'll a lot our eyes will be

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opened as to how much business there

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really is here because there's so many

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people that are trying to make ends

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meet. They have a full-time job. They

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want to progress in life so they have a

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business in the side. So I think I think

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you'll be surprised once we get our

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lists out of how many there are here.

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>> Okay. Thank you.

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>> Other questions?

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>> Yeah. Just along those same lines of I

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how have you gone about identifying

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those inhome businesses? My daughter

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Renza, she handmakes um and embroideries

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things for people and and I see this as

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like a great way for her to be able to

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get, you know, the word out like you

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said. And I've seen shop local campaigns

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be very successful, especially in

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communities our size where we maybe

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don't have a lot of storefronts, but we

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do have a lot of people that work very

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hard and have a lot of side jobs. So,

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what would your shop local initiative

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look like?

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Well, that's going to be a big part of

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every one of our meetings, helping

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identify additional businesses that we

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are unaware of. And once you start

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publishing and getting word out there's

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these businesses, then people will start

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contacting. I just keep my eyes open.

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The other day I was driving down the

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street and saw a sign for a small engine

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repair. And I called the number, ended

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up being a 15year-old. And I thought, I

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need small engine repair all the time.

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I'm always driving to American Fork to get that done. So just keeping your

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eyes open and asking around and once we start publishing here's a list

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of all businesses and if your business

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isn't listed call this number they'll

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come out of the woodwork more but

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already they're coming out of the

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woodwork really fast for me.

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>> So what would that publication look

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like? That's what I'm

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>> Does that go to each home? What how do I

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know? So, we're we're putting a lot of

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our already we've got $8,000 in sales

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and most of that budget is scheduled or

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at least half of it is scheduled for

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events and publication. We're putting

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more towards a publication than anything

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else, but there's a lot of advertising

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that goes into the publication. So, I'm

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expecting a loss the first year and our

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revenue, we've already got enough

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revenue to cover a loss, but just

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depends on how much money we have and

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how much advertising we get. I'd love it

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to go to every resident. Um, that's the

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goal.

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>> Okay. Thank you.

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>> Anybody else?

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» Yeah, just two questions. How much does

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it cost for a municipal municipality to

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join? Just

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>> So, we're charging $2,500 this year.

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It's uh

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pretty low, but we're new. You know, we

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don't want to oversell ourselves, so I

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think that's fair fair first year price.

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>> And what do you see as a value ad for a

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city to be part of the chamber? The list

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I went through um covers it covers most

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of what I could think of. But I wanted

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to ask you all too what what besides the

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list that I gave. Maybe you could put

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that

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>> presentation.

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>> Oh, they don't. Oh, okay.

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>> Oh, okay. Yeah, I could go over those

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again. Um,

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I I think I think the biggest uh

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advantage is just connecting businesses

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and helping businesses grow in the area,

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but that helps the city because the city

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gets revenue from the local businesses.

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Um, and just being a place where you can

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say, "Hey, come to Alpine with your

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business." Or I don't know if that's a

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goal of Alpine, but but if you come to

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Alpine with your business, there is a

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chamber of commerce that will help you

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succeed. So, it really helps the whole

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community

539
00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:16,640
>> and I think some budget goes to

540
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:21,029
community development for every city.

541
00:20:21,039 --> 00:20:22,400
» Thank you, Heidi. That's helpful.

542
00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:24,799
>> Oh, that's helpful. Thanks. Um, but I'm

543
00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:27,760
also very open. I I'd love to hear if

544
00:20:27,760 --> 00:20:29,440
there's not something on our list, what

545
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,360
is is there that I could do to help? I

546
00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:31,600
mean,

547
00:20:31,600 --> 00:20:33,440
>> well, it's the Well, you chatted earlier

548
00:20:33,440 --> 00:20:36,320
and it's the thing I brought up where uh

549
00:20:36,320 --> 00:20:39,440
we have a lot of business pro people,

550
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,000
but we live in a town that is very

551
00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,720
sensitive to business overkill,

552
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:46,880
overgrowth, overwhelm.

553
00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:47,360
>> Yes.

554
00:20:47,360 --> 00:20:49,120
>> And not the business. It's almost not

555
00:20:49,120 --> 00:20:51,200
the business. It's more of the side

556
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:52,400
effects

557
00:20:52,400 --> 00:20:54,480
>> of even a successful business. So, maybe

558
00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:55,919
just something there where you we can

559
00:20:55,919 --> 00:21:00,240
balance the uh the identity of Alpine

560
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:03,919
which is quiet, safe, low traffic, low

561
00:21:03,919 --> 00:21:04,960
tax.

562
00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:05,360
>> Um,

563
00:21:05,360 --> 00:21:06,559
>> and even though you won't have

564
00:21:06,559 --> 00:21:08,480
businesses like building huge buildings

565
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,880
here, I think that uh the homebased

566
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:14,000
business is getting a little more

567
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,320
traction, probably is in line with

568
00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:17,600
Alpine Cities.

569
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:19,039
>> That's the only thing I could see added.

570
00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:23,679
>> If the city decides not to join as a

571
00:21:23,679 --> 00:21:25,919
community member, are Alpine businesses

572
00:21:25,919 --> 00:21:27,600
still are you going to still allow them

573
00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:28,880
to join your chamber?

574
00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:30,960
>> Absolutely. Yeah, it would be nice to

575
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:32,400
have the partnership with ship with the

576
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:34,400
city and for instance, Highland City has

577
00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:37,039
already asked that we we have a bigger

578
00:21:37,039 --> 00:21:38,960
list of businesses than they have. And

579
00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,520
so they've asked us to help them find

580
00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,720
advertisers for the um their events

581
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:46,799
coming up in the summertime for their

582
00:21:46,799 --> 00:21:48,480
advertisements. And just like that with

583
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,080
Alpine Days, we do the same thing. We'd

584
00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:51,919
send out an email notification. Hey,

585
00:21:51,919 --> 00:21:54,240
they're looking for advertisers. If if

586
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,679
you'd like your business to advertise,

587
00:21:55,679 --> 00:21:57,679
here's who you contact. So, kind of in

588
00:21:57,679 --> 00:21:59,840
partnership with all of your events and

589
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,080
things like that, we we'd love to be an

590
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,039
assistance there. An assistant there.

591
00:22:05,039 --> 00:22:05,600
So,

592
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,280
>> thank you very much. Appreciate your

593
00:22:07,280 --> 00:22:07,760
time.

594
00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:08,080
>> Yeah.

595
00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,679
>> Oh, I did have one question since we

596
00:22:09,679 --> 00:22:11,120
don't didn't get a copy of your

597
00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:12,480
presentation. Is that going to be

598
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:13,039
available?

599
00:22:13,039 --> 00:22:15,760
>> Yeah, Heidi can send that out.

600
00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:16,159
>> Okay.

601
00:22:16,159 --> 00:22:20,000
>> One last comment, too. The city of uh of

602
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:23,760
Highland voted five to zero to ex accept

603
00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:25,520
become a member of the chamber. We

604
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:26,880
haven't got that ironed out. It's it's

605
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:28,480
pending the memorandum of of of

606
00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:30,640
understanding, but Candace from from

607
00:22:30,640 --> 00:22:32,159
Highland City already called me up and

608
00:22:32,159 --> 00:22:33,679
said, "Hey, there's a business that

609
00:22:33,679 --> 00:22:35,039
called the city, wanted to know about

610
00:22:35,039 --> 00:22:36,960
the resources." She hooked me up with

611
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,600
her. I gave her some advice. I I've been

612
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,000
a business consultant for over 25 years.

613
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,679
And and as a chamber president, I feel

614
00:22:43,679 --> 00:22:45,120
like a little bit of free advice to

615
00:22:45,120 --> 00:22:47,440
every business is in order. So, just

616
00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,440
talked to her for 20 minutes. But just a

617
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,520
I think it's just a good re resource to

618
00:22:51,520 --> 00:22:54,240
have the um uh chamber of commerce

619
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:55,760
available to the city. So

620
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,679
>> I do like the idea of having like a

621
00:22:57,679 --> 00:23:00,640
locals list because sometimes

622
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,159
we we call it the alpine tax. We So if I

623
00:23:04,159 --> 00:23:06,559
have a repair to be done in one part of

624
00:23:06,559 --> 00:23:09,440
town and I say one address versus this

625
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:10,320
address,

626
00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,720
>> we get a different price. So it'd be

627
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,919
nice to know who's local. Thank you.

628
00:23:15,919 --> 00:23:18,320
>> Okay. Um, America Fork Chamber of

629
00:23:18,320 --> 00:23:23,669
Commerce is next.

630
00:23:23,679 --> 00:23:25,919
» Thank you for allowing us to take some

631
00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:28,240
time. Uh, by introduction, my name is

632
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,559
Brad Frost. Um, I'm the president of the

633
00:23:30,559 --> 00:23:33,919
American Fork Chamber. And I will say

634
00:23:33,919 --> 00:23:36,559
that we have a a PowerPoint. I'm

635
00:23:36,559 --> 00:23:38,400
understanding that you'll get that. So,

636
00:23:38,400 --> 00:23:39,679
I'm just going to kind of go off the

637
00:23:39,679 --> 00:23:41,200
cuff because I think that PowerPoint

638
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:43,600
will tell a lot of things. Actually,

639
00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,840
anything that they had had to be here by

640
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,360
Friday. So, this is new. So, if you want

641
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:51,360
to show a slide, let me know at all.

642
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,120
>> It would be what you received today.

643
00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:53,520
Send.

644
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,280
>> Yeah. No, and it's in front of them. So,

645
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:56,799
you just tell me what you want.

646
00:23:56,799 --> 00:23:58,640
>> You got that today. Okay. You know what?

647
00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,240
I was under the impression maybe it was

648
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:05,120
there. Thank you very much. So, um,

649
00:24:05,120 --> 00:24:07,760
uh, I am a mayor of American Fork and I

650
00:24:07,760 --> 00:24:09,600
appreciate the accommodation because I

651
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,760
will be on that side of the the rostroom

652
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,760
here shortly. But, uh, I don't want you

653
00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:15,679
to feel rushed at all. We can take our

654
00:24:15,679 --> 00:24:17,600
time and they can start without me if

655
00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:21,919
they need to. But, uh, my background is

656
00:24:21,919 --> 00:24:24,159
people. It's what I've always loved to

657
00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:27,440
do is be a part of people. uh to form

658
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,360
relationships,

659
00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:31,440
um get close to people, to understand

660
00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:33,679
who they are, what they do, and I think

661
00:24:33,679 --> 00:24:35,279
it just makes the world a better place

662
00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:37,039
when you find that out about each other.

663
00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:38,960
And I think that's one of the chamber's

664
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:42,640
real um fun foundational goals is to

665
00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:45,440
learn and to connect. And so I want to

666
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:46,720
tell you just a little bit about the

667
00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,960
American for Chamber. Just uh the

668
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:51,919
structure of the chamber as you see in

669
00:24:51,919 --> 00:24:54,000
this slide, we've been around for 80

670
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,039
years. We we've been around a long time.

671
00:24:57,039 --> 00:24:59,200
We will celebrate that 80y year mark in

672
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:02,480
on May 2nd of this year. I started um up

673
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,480
in the chambers of city hall in American

674
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,279
Fork and it's going strong. It's a very

675
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:11,200
vibrant um organization.

676
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,039
We have an executive board that

677
00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:16,000
comprised of four members of the of the

678
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,720
governing board. The governing board is

679
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,440
uh made up of 13 individuals that

680
00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,159
they're from different cities within the

681
00:25:24,159 --> 00:25:26,720
chamber that have the heart to volunteer

682
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:30,320
and be a part of this organization.

683
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,320
We have added three ex official members

684
00:25:34,320 --> 00:25:37,120
as well. We have a member of Senator

685
00:25:37,120 --> 00:25:40,240
Mike Lee's staff that is there to not

686
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,919
vote, but just to advise and to give

687
00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:46,080
consent and things like that as we meet

688
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:48,720
as a chamber board along with Kate

689
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:50,159
Christopherson, a representative from

690
00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:53,279
the state of Utah. And uh we'll have one

691
00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:55,679
more in about a month. But we just felt

692
00:25:55,679 --> 00:25:57,440
like it was kind of helpful to have

693
00:25:57,440 --> 00:26:00,720
people around us as well to maybe point

694
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,600
out things that we're not seeing. Now, I

695
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:05,760
do not want to make this sound or feel

696
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:07,679
in any way that we are big and they are

697
00:26:07,679 --> 00:26:11,200
small. Um, because uh that is not my

698
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,279
intent, but I can't help but just talk

699
00:26:13,279 --> 00:26:17,679
about the structure and what I see and I

700
00:26:17,679 --> 00:26:20,640
view on almost every day. And when we

701
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:23,679
get together, it's a big event. It's a

702
00:26:23,679 --> 00:26:25,520
big tent.

703
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,919
And in that tent, there is plenty of

704
00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:31,440
room for the big corporations that we

705
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:33,120
all know. If you can change to another

706
00:26:33,120 --> 00:26:36,559
slide, maybe the the second or the third

707
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:39,750
slide.

708
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,480
» Yes, thank you.

709
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,279
But the great thing about this big tent

710
00:26:45,279 --> 00:26:48,559
is that the bigger corporations are the

711
00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:51,200
people inside them. They look after and

712
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:54,159
they will nurture the small ones.

713
00:26:54,159 --> 00:26:57,120
They're there to be a resource to them.

714
00:26:57,120 --> 00:27:00,880
They will even um offer up their their

715
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,640
physical space,

716
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:05,760
>> but maybe more importantly their time to

717
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:10,080
be a part of this synergy of a chamber.

718
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,000
Um

719
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:13,840
a couple things that we do I think that

720
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,799
are very unique. Okay. Because we know

721
00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:20,080
that it's a it's a changing landscape in

722
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:23,919
business. And so we offer training.

723
00:27:23,919 --> 00:27:26,960
Last month we did cyber no this coming

724
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:28,640
week we're doing cyber security and

725
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,400
website optimization that can fit the

726
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,240
home business it can fit a larger

727
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,760
corporation and we'll have all

728
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:40,000
represented there um AI integration into

729
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,640
the into your marketing again one of

730
00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:44,480
those things that can be a very basic

731
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,720
fund fundamental principle in any

732
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,600
business big or small

733
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,840
um

734
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:56,880
we um feel very

735
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,039
um we feel good about how we are

736
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:01,919
interacting with our communities

737
00:28:01,919 --> 00:28:04,399
understanding that Alpine is not in the

738
00:28:04,399 --> 00:28:07,039
name of the American Fork Chamber. We

739
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:10,320
have the Lump Business Alliance

740
00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:14,720
that was uh formed about five years ago

741
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,159
and inside that we have Cedar Hills.

742
00:28:18,159 --> 00:28:20,559
Formerly we had Highland and we're

743
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:23,840
hoping to keep um Alpine into into that

744
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:27,360
alliance and it's a way of I think maybe

745
00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:29,279
for what I would explain is to kind of

746
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:31,440
pull the American Fork name away and

747
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:33,840
give you some identity but there's

748
00:28:33,840 --> 00:28:36,320
nothing greater than having the synergy

749
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,120
of multiple communities and we will use

750
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:42,000
that I connected today with the PG Lynen

751
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,159
Chamber and the Point of the Mount

752
00:28:44,159 --> 00:28:47,279
Chamber. We're planning an event and all

753
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:49,520
our chamber members will be welcome to

754
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,080
attend that event. It'll be at UVU. We

755
00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:56,159
are hosting a women in business um panel

756
00:28:56,159 --> 00:28:58,559
and we've got some really fun people

757
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:01,440
that are coming to that. And so that's

758
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:03,279
when the synergy of all the chambers

759
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:07,039
come together to provide resources and a

760
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:09,600
place for people to connect to talk

761
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,240
business and to talk pleasure to make

762
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,200
life a little bit better. One of the

763
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:16,880
things and I just want to mention it

764
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:19,039
very briefly but it's something that I'm

765
00:29:19,039 --> 00:29:21,760
very excited about and it's a it's found

766
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:23,760
in just a small story and I was watching

767
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,240
a video probably one of them mindless

768
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:28,640
times where you just kind of scroll. I

769
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,640
kind of have fun seeing how creative

770
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,279
people can be on Instagram and how they

771
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:36,640
could just do silly things. Gentleman's

772
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,320
at Starbucks

773
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:43,440
and he has his coffee and he he has an

774
00:29:43,440 --> 00:29:45,360
exchange with the person behind it and

775
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:48,960
he says, "Wait, it's not done." And the

776
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:52,559
gentleman hands it back and he says, "I

777
00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:54,720
need a little love in it." And so she

778
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:58,320
just sprinkled a little love. And it was

779
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,480
how she replied back to him. He says,

780
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:02,399
'How much is that going to cost? And he

781
00:30:02,399 --> 00:30:06,320
said, she said, love is free. So we're

782
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,799
going to take that love is free. We've

783
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:10,960
kind of encircled what it is, what we

784
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:12,880
can do with it, and we're going to make

785
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:14,559
that a drip campaign and we're going to

786
00:30:14,559 --> 00:30:16,399
pull that along with us in the coming

787
00:30:16,399 --> 00:30:18,799
years to think that we can talk

788
00:30:18,799 --> 00:30:21,039
business. there's a point of there's an

789
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:23,600
exchange there's a return

790
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,559
but along the way the love is free and

791
00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:29,360
we can kind of bring up society. We

792
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:31,039
think that that that's not a bad thing

793
00:30:31,039 --> 00:30:34,240
to do along the way. So that is very

794
00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:37,520
briefly some of our that's just a a

795
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:43,039
brief introduction to what it is and I'm available for questions now and I

796
00:30:43,039 --> 00:30:45,039
can I'll be leaving another piece of

797
00:30:45,039 --> 00:30:47,120
information and I would welcome a phone

798
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,000
call at any time in the coming weeks to

799
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,720
help satisfy any of your questions.

800
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:54,480
>> How long has Alpine been a participant

801
00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:56,000
in your organization?

802
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:57,919
>> Officially in the Lone Peak Alliance

803
00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:00,399
about almost five five and a half six

804
00:31:00,399 --> 00:31:02,559
years. And what level of participation

805
00:31:02,559 --> 00:31:04,480
have you seen from Alpine businesses and

806
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,200
what kind of benefits have you seen them

807
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:10,640
get over those five years? Um,

808
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:15,600
sparse. We we've had uh we've had some

809
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:18,480
notables like the the Arts Center and in

810
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:20,799
fact for every business big or small, we

811
00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:22,240
have a landing page where you can

812
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,640
actually host your website. It's in our

813
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,799
directory and I can think of probably at

814
00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:31,520
least three. Now, I will say this, I've

815
00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,760
been on the job for three weeks and I'll

816
00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:37,440
know more in three more weeks. Uh, but

817
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:41,200
there's room to be had done in Alpine.

818
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:43,120
What I have learned about a chamber is

819
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:46,080
that you you get you get back what you

820
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,960
put into it. So, we'll ever be in front

821
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,480
of people trying to show them the just

822
00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:54,240
the the things that can help them in

823
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,640
their business. Some see it and some

824
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,200
don't, and that's okay. some of your big

825
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:00,399
corporate tenants. I'm thinking what's

826
00:32:00,399 --> 00:32:03,440
their ROI on a big corporate tenant? And

827
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,279
then I've learned that Alphab Bank loves

828
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:07,760
to feel that make people feel like they

829
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:12,799
are part of the community. They want to be literally be in the

830
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,519
fabric and so they choose the chamber as

831
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:17,279
one of those avenues so that they can be

832
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:20,000
part of something grand. And they do it

833
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:21,840
not here but they do it Provo, they do

834
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:24,159
it in Spanish Fork. They're everywhere.

835
00:32:24,159 --> 00:32:27,120
And so we offer that to them as a and

836
00:32:27,120 --> 00:32:29,600
they're a great partner. Same with IHC

837
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:33,760
Inter Mountain Health like that. So

838
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,919
Councilman Rumbler, I can I can research

839
00:32:35,919 --> 00:32:38,399
that and I can absolutely give you, you

840
00:32:38,399 --> 00:32:41,279
know, exact data if you're okay with

841
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:41,600
that.

842
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,320
>> Sure.

843
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,679
>> Anybody else have questions?

844
00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:47,200
>> What What's the cost on that we're

845
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,200
paying currently on the American Fork

846
00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:49,519
one?

847
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:52,559
>> So community partner is $3,500.

848
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,080
>> That's yearly. These are both yearly,

849
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:54,480
>> correct?

850
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:54,880
>> Okay.

851
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:58,389
>> Y

852
00:32:58,399 --> 00:33:00,799
» um is this question just for Brad? I had

853
00:33:00,799 --> 00:33:03,120
a question for you.

854
00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,760
>> I I was actually assigned to this and I

855
00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:08,080
went to many of your meetings and it was

856
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,480
good to connect and see like how all the

857
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:12,799
cities are well really how all the

858
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:15,279
businesses are, you know, operating and

859
00:33:15,279 --> 00:33:18,000
we talked about transportation once. Um,

860
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,960
we had a report from every mayor, state

861
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,440
of the city reports and u

862
00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:24,799
>> there was one of them that was kind of

863
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:26,880
lacking. I know it was kind of boring

864
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:27,919
and

865
00:33:27,919 --> 00:33:30,880
>> No, it wasn't. It was awesome. So, I do

866
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,200
and I did uh like meet a lot of people

867
00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:37,840
in the general area um just to share my

868
00:33:37,840 --> 00:33:40,399
experience with those. And then I I did

869
00:33:40,399 --> 00:33:45,120
have I'll just be honest like I thought you were very accurate that I

870
00:33:45,120 --> 00:33:46,559
would try and ask people, oh, where are

871
00:33:46,559 --> 00:33:47,519
you from? you know, where's your

872
00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:48,960
business? Where's your And there was so

873
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,440
very little participation from Alpine.

874
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,000
There was and then we had to highlight

875
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,600
um a business and we were struggling to

876
00:33:57,600 --> 00:33:59,679
find some some that like were actually

877
00:33:59,679 --> 00:34:02,880
participating in the chamber. So, you

878
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,080
know, between um that limited experience

879
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,000
I've had, Carla is the expert. She goes

880
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,599
to far more things than I've ever gone

881
00:34:09,599 --> 00:34:12,320
to and has been in that role longer. But

882
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,960
I was as I don't I haven't quite

883
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:18,480
understood as like a city person and

884
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:20,320
you're you you're wearing two hats here,

885
00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,480
right? Because you you you're elected.

886
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:27,280
How we can um generate the commercial

887
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:31,119
part of our city without our residents

888
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:33,520
becoming um alarmed.

889
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:36,399
>> Yeah. So I I think that like you guys

890
00:34:36,399 --> 00:34:38,320
have a very much like American Fork and

891
00:34:38,320 --> 00:34:40,720
other even Highland and Cedar Hills have

892
00:34:40,720 --> 00:34:44,960
a very robust retail area which we lack

893
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:46,639
and so I think that that's why we have

894
00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:48,720
sparse participation but I would like

895
00:34:48,720 --> 00:34:51,200
your insight into both you know our role

896
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:54,240
is um developing more commercial

897
00:34:54,240 --> 00:34:57,280
business in the city and then our the

898
00:34:57,280 --> 00:35:00,079
role of the c the com um chamber of

899
00:35:00,079 --> 00:35:03,440
commerce like increasing that because I

900
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,000
haven't I I don't really have a good

901
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:08,480
feeling for what needs to happen or if

902
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:09,680
it's a good fit.

903
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,839
>> Yeah. Well, you won't like my answer.

904
00:35:11,839 --> 00:35:14,960
And you know, I think I think that

905
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,440
Alpine, as I have observed over the

906
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,079
years, you like the quaint almost the

907
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:21,280
bedroom community.

908
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:21,760
>> They do.

909
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:24,000
>> The only way to generate it would be

910
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,920
when I turn that little corner, just put

911
00:35:25,920 --> 00:35:29,359
about 300 units. Go seven stories. Maybe

912
00:35:29,359 --> 00:35:31,520
Walmart will follow you.

913
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:32,320
>> Wait, what?

914
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:33,599
>> Okay. But but

915
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:36,800
>> you're absolutely right. Not only

916
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:38,400
>> not only will I not like it, but none of

917
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,079
the people that elected me would be

918
00:35:40,079 --> 00:35:40,640
happy.

919
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:42,720
>> But there there is an interesting there

920
00:35:42,720 --> 00:35:45,680
is a an interesting shift in business.

921
00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:48,160
>> There's a interesting shift in business

922
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:48,960
>> shift. Okay.

923
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,280
>> And I and I have seen it on our sales

924
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:54,240
tax reports and that is the point of

925
00:35:54,240 --> 00:35:58,560
sale for us is the home. I mean I mean

926
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:00,960
you would think that u American Fork we

927
00:36:00,960 --> 00:36:04,160
have a very robust um commerce. We are

928
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:06,240
we're on a hub of a lot of different

929
00:36:06,240 --> 00:36:08,640
things there. The the the lake just kind

930
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:11,760
of turns everybody right there. And for

931
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,560
the first time I'm seeing Amazon surpass

932
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,560
our car dealers.

933
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:17,119
>> Wow.

934
00:36:17,119 --> 00:36:21,280
>> In in total J revenue month by month.

935
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,599
And so they it's even last year they

936
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:27,359
Amazon combined. So the point of sale is

937
00:36:27,359 --> 00:36:29,599
at the door. That's a very strong has to

938
00:36:29,599 --> 00:36:31,200
be an increased revenue source for

939
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:34,480
Alpine. And as a chamber, we can help

940
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:38,079
support those small small homegrown

941
00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:39,839
business, but they've got to be able to

942
00:36:39,839 --> 00:36:43,520
turn it and put it on your zip code. So

943
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,920
the point of sale stays within your

944
00:36:45,920 --> 00:36:47,200
city.

945
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:49,040
>> So yeah, we were a little bit afraid of

946
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,400
that. We thought the brick and mortar is

947
00:36:50,400 --> 00:36:52,480
going away, but we've noticed that the

948
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,040
trend is going that direction. And we've

949
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:57,040
discussed that as a board and how we can

950
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,960
help support that. Um um not just for

951
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:02,400
the good of the city, for the good of

952
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,800
people. If that's way like to conduct

953
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,800
business, and it is a trend, we're

954
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:08,880
becoming a a society that likes things

955
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,440
quick and easy and to our doorstep.

956
00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,680
Pretty soon it'll be drones. You might

957
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:16,400
not like that one. I don't know. I We'll

958
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:18,960
see. But it uh so that's and then as a

959
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,560
community partner too I think that there

960
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,200
is one this is the lens that I have um

961
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:29,040
there's by supporting some of our

962
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,599
being in our chamber in a very real way

963
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:33,760
you are supporting a lot of the

964
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:35,520
employers

965
00:37:35,520 --> 00:37:37,680
that will that that commute back into

966
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:42,880
your city um the domos the lbts and

967
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,760
things like that so we try to be of any

968
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:47,680
resource we can be to make them

969
00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,480
successful knowing that in return

970
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,560
success will follow them and it'll

971
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,560
follow the people that work with them

972
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:58,160
and uh their suppliers as well.

973
00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:00,160
I don't know if that's an angle you've

974
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,960
considered, but I didn't just make that

975
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,200
up. I actually have thought that through

976
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:06,880
a little bit to think that however we

977
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:09,280
can make a business succeed, the success

978
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:12,079
will grow with it and go with it. It'll

979
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:14,000
go back to a home.

980
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:17,200
>> For sure. Um I I'm an accounting

981
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,640
background too and I went to this

982
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,200
accounting uh lecture and it changed my

983
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:23,520
whole view of business and they said the

984
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,440
most charitable thing you could do is

985
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:31,200
employ someone full-time. And so it's not necessarily like you're saying

986
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,200
that there's a brickandmortar store, but

987
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,440
there's a family behind every employee

988
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:37,680
and that's that's the most important

989
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:40,640
part of business. Thank you.

990
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:42,000
>> Does anybody else have any other

991
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,000
questions?

992
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:45,440
Thank you. Appreciate your time.

993
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:47,520
>> Very much. Appreciate your time.

994
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:51,599
>> Thank you both. Um we will probably um

995
00:38:51,599 --> 00:38:53,599
be bringing this back on the agenda for

996
00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:58,079
a vote at a future meeting and um we'll

997
00:38:58,079 --> 00:39:00,880
let you guys know where we land. Um

998
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,200
let's move on to public comment. We'll

999
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,390
go back to item three

1000
00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:10,560
proposals.

1001
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:14,000
Okay. We have Michelle Shamway followed

1002
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:17,119
by Kyle Shamway.

1003
00:39:17,119 --> 00:39:19,680
>> Oh, okay. If you guys can come up and um

1004
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,079
state your names and you could just say

1005
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:24,880
your street that you're on

1006
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,680
>> and um you have three minutes to make a

1007
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,000
presentation and after you will be Mario

1008
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,310
Jes.

1009
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,640
» Can you hear me? Okay.

1010
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,800
Uh we are Kyle and Michelle Shamway. And

1011
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:40,160
first of all, I just want to thank you

1012
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:41,599
guys so much for all the time, energy,

1013
00:39:41,599 --> 00:39:44,800
and love that you put into Alpine. Um a

1014
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:46,400
little bit of background. I grew up in

1015
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,079
Alpine. My family moved here when I was

1016
00:39:48,079 --> 00:39:51,040
12. And um I was actually in Andrew

1017
00:39:51,040 --> 00:39:52,720
Young's ward. His mom was my young

1018
00:39:52,720 --> 00:39:55,599
women's leader. Love her dearly. And I

1019
00:39:55,599 --> 00:39:57,680
love Alpine. I love Alpine so much that

1020
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,040
we stayed here. We just love it. Um,

1021
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:03,359
what we'd like to do today is I'm hoping

1022
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:06,880
to um that maybe you might be willing to

1023
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,960
take another look at letting golf carts

1024
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,839
be legal in Alpine. Um, I'm talking a

1025
00:40:11,839 --> 00:40:12,560
lot, but

1026
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:14,880
>> you're good. No, you take it away. I I

1027
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,640
agree with everything she says.

1028
00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:18,640
>> So, one of the things I loved so much um

1029
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:20,400
growing up in Alpine was the small town

1030
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,560
feel that Alpine had and the community

1031
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:26,560
feel. I remember um I was amazed as a

1032
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:28,880
12-year-old coming from Salt Lake City

1033
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,640
seeing people waving to each other,

1034
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,720
everyone that drove by and even horses

1035
00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:35,520
riding by and just the magical feel it

1036
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:36,960
was to be part of such a small

1037
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,200
community. And I really feel strongly

1038
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,000
that golf carts um bring that community

1039
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,880
feel. And as far as danger goes, I I

1040
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:47,599
personally don't see um them as any more

1041
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:50,640
dangerous than um an ebike or a siron or

1042
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,920
even a bike. And so with that in mind,

1043
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:55,920
weighing the pros and the cons and and

1044
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,040
with a goal of like just thinking that

1045
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,839
it will make Alpine a happier, pleasant

1046
00:41:01,839 --> 00:41:04,000
community, um I feel like maybe it's

1047
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,880
worth taking another look at. So

1048
00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:09,520
>> I like the idea that Highland recent Oh

1049
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:10,560
yeah, sure.

1050
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:12,960
>> Highland City also recently, as far as

1051
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:15,359
my understanding goes, has legalized uh

1052
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:17,359
golf carts. And it's not like cart

1053
00:41:17,359 --> 00:41:19,040
launch anything goes. They have certain

1054
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:20,880
guidelines and it's in their ordinance.

1055
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,720
And so that's what we'd like to do is

1056
00:41:22,720 --> 00:41:24,160
have you guys take a look at putting it

1057
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:25,839
into the city ordinance, make sure

1058
00:41:25,839 --> 00:41:27,839
everyone knows what the laws are, giving

1059
00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:29,680
the Lone Peak Police Department clear

1060
00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:31,359
guidelines that are exactly the same

1061
00:41:31,359 --> 00:41:33,839
among Highland and Alpine so that

1062
00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:35,440
everyone knows the the rules and the

1063
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:37,920
laws and so everything stays safe and

1064
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:39,440
that people will be allowed to use their

1065
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:41,599
golf carts. Ours has been in the garage

1066
00:41:41,599 --> 00:41:43,200
for the last like over a year and a

1067
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,079
half. So

1068
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:44,640
>> yeah,

1069
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:46,640
>> we'd like to start using again. Yeah.

1070
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,240
Anyway, yeah. So, I just want to thank

1071
00:41:48,240 --> 00:41:49,520
you so much for your time and your

1072
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,440
consideration and hope you'll take a

1073
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,960
second look at that. Thank you. Thanks a

1074
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:53,280
lot.

1075
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,400
>> Thank you.

1076
00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,119
>> Okay, if we could have Mario followed by

1077
00:41:57,119 --> 00:42:13,430
Julie Daly.

1078
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,280
» Good afternoon.

1079
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:17,200
My name is Mario Jimenez. I live on

1080
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:19,680
Whitby Woodlands Drive. Um, I had the

1081
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,440
pleasure of addressing the city council

1082
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,000
here two weeks ago. I'm back uh for the

1083
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:25,920
same reason. I'd like to try to first of

1084
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:31,920
all, I wanted to thank the

1085
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:33,599
members of the city council that were

1086
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:36,480
kind enough to answer my emails.

1087
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,920
Um, I'd also like to basically visit

1088
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:42,000
with you for just a second as a

1089
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:47,349
professional safety. Um,

1090
00:42:47,359 --> 00:42:49,040
I' I've been in the safety business over

1091
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,599
50 years. And um, one of the things that

1092
00:42:51,599 --> 00:42:53,359
I kind of wanted to talk to the council

1093
00:42:53,359 --> 00:42:55,680
about is I'm certainly open to any

1094
00:42:55,680 --> 00:42:57,280
feedback, to any questions, to anything

1095
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,599
that anybody would like to ask me. I

1096
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:02,000
think I can present a view that provides

1097
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,520
metrics, that provides data, that

1098
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:07,200
provides a scientific look at

1099
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:09,520
encapsulating or incorporating that

1100
00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:12,000
municipal code that the city of Highland

1101
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:20,000
has chosen to do. Um, statistically a an organization that does not codify

1102
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:22,880
does not identify a particular ordinance

1103
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:25,680
or procedure or policy has a greater

1104
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,640
chance of risk that one that has it

1105
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,800
clearly identified. And so that's

1106
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,760
something to keep in mind. In my humble

1107
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,040
opinion, the easiest way, the best

1108
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:39,440
return on investment, the most efficient

1109
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:41,760
way for the city of Alpine is to

1110
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,960
basically use the city of Highlands code

1111
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,880
to create a skeleton. It's already

1112
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,079
there. It it it agrees with all of the

1113
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:52,720
DOT, a Department of Public Safety, uh,

1114
00:43:52,720 --> 00:43:54,560
highway patrol, all that stuff agrees.

1115
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:56,960
So, they've done a fantastic job. Once

1116
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,200
again, I'm open to any feedback. I I

1117
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:00,720
would love to meet with each of you

1118
00:44:00,720 --> 00:44:03,119
individually. I can spend five minutes

1119
00:44:03,119 --> 00:44:04,960
or two hours talking about safety and

1120
00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,520
how I honestly sincerely think that this

1121
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:12,400
will make the city of Alpine a safer

1122
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,640
uh city to live in by codifying and

1123
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:17,599
identifying these. Um,

1124
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:19,839
once again, my primary goal here, and I

1125
00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:21,119
think the goal of the other people that

1126
00:44:21,119 --> 00:44:23,280
are going to profer the idea of the golf

1127
00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:27,359
carts is to solicit one more city

1128
00:44:27,359 --> 00:44:30,400
council member to back Andrew up and

1129
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,800
allow us to move this forward to then

1130
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:34,800
intelligently spend some time

1131
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:37,359
researching, looking at it, studying it.

1132
00:44:37,359 --> 00:44:38,880
because if we don't get to that point

1133
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:42,319
where we study, we're we're we're not

1134
00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:45,280
being good stewards of our uh of our

1135
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,200
responsibilities. Once again, I thank

1136
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,359
you for your time and anything that I

1137
00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:50,880
can do to answer anybody's question,

1138
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,560
I'll be more than happy to do that.

1139
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:56,480
>> Thank you. Um if we can have Julie Daly

1140
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:57,920
come up, if you can just state your

1141
00:44:57,920 --> 00:44:59,839
name, the road that you live on, and

1142
00:44:59,839 --> 00:45:02,000
then followed following Julie will be

1143
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,440
Sid McGee. Hi, I'm I'm sorry I lost my

1144
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,520
voice yesterday, but hi, I'm Julie Daly.

1145
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,680
I live off River Circle just around the

1146
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,240
corner and I'm to just here to ask you

1147
00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:14,480
to look at the golf cart situation

1148
00:45:14,480 --> 00:45:16,720
again. And for the past 30 years, we've

1149
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:19,040
been here almost 11 years, but in 30

1150
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:20,400
years of marriage, we lived in several

1151
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,079
big cities in the country. And we were

1152
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:24,400
drawn to this community as I'm sure all

1153
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,040
of you were for the small town feel and

1154
00:45:27,040 --> 00:45:29,359
for being able to get lots of great

1155
00:45:29,359 --> 00:45:31,680
parks and schools and all the things are

1156
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,560
so close and to have a golf cart to be

1157
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:36,480
able to go to some of those a low-speed

1158
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,720
vehicle not going more than 25 miles an

1159
00:45:38,720 --> 00:45:40,960
hour with blinkers and windshield wipers

1160
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:43,119
and all the mirrors all the with seat

1161
00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:45,440
belts all the things you need is so much

1162
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,760
cleaner for the environment. Um they're

1163
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,599
electric. you just plug them in and

1164
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:50,800
they're so much better for the

1165
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,359
environment. But we would also be one of

1166
00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:55,040
five other cities that have already

1167
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,440
approved this besides Highland. You've

1168
00:45:57,440 --> 00:45:59,280
got St. George. And I'm not I know that

1169
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,560
there are three more, but um we love it

1170
00:46:02,560 --> 00:46:05,359
here. And we feel like especially when

1171
00:46:05,359 --> 00:46:06,960
we have the beautiful weather that we do

1172
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:09,200
in the in the summer and this year in

1173
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:11,520
the spring and the fall, it is such a

1174
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:13,200
great way to be able to see your

1175
00:46:13,200 --> 00:46:15,440
neighbors, to see anyone in the

1176
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,040
community, to be able to stop quickly,

1177
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:21,599
wave at anyone in the soccer fields, at the parks, um because you're outside

1178
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:24,000
on your golf cart. And um we've just

1179
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,680
noticed the same thing. It just does

1180
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:27,599
bring a sense of community getting to

1181
00:46:27,599 --> 00:46:29,599
see other people. So, I hope you'll

1182
00:46:29,599 --> 00:46:31,200
consider it. Thanks.

1183
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,280
>> Thank you. Um

1184
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,760
Sid McGee, if you could state the street

1185
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:40,390
that you live on and

1186
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,920
» Nice. Hi. Um thanks for hearing us out.

1187
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:46,560
Um I'm Siv McGee. I live on Campfire

1188
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,880
Circle. Um and I'm

1189
00:46:48,880 --> 00:46:50,400
>> Is that Sid or Sim?

1190
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:52,079
>> Sid Syd.

1191
00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:55,440
>> Yeah. Um, and uh, yeah, I just want to

1192
00:46:55,440 --> 00:46:56,960
echo what's already been said. I mean,

1193
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:59,359
we we we love to use it mostly just to

1194
00:46:59,359 --> 00:47:02,079
communicate, uh, commute to, uh, the

1195
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:04,160
local parks, everything within like a

1196
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:05,920
mile or two of our house, and it's a

1197
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:07,920
really, uh, you know, one of the

1198
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:12,400
highlights of of of the summer. Um, and all the seasons that permit it. And,

1199
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,079
um, yeah, I mean, we would just same

1200
00:47:14,079 --> 00:47:16,960
thing. I think that if the we can adopt

1201
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:18,800
the guidelines of of Highland and do it

1202
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,319
in a way that the the vehicles are

1203
00:47:20,319 --> 00:47:22,480
registered, that they have their safety

1204
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,480
requirements met. We have seat belts, we

1205
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,920
have blinkers, we have license plate,

1206
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,640
it's been insured. Um just be able to

1207
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,480
have that ability to move freely through

1208
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:32,560
the community in uh in the golf cart

1209
00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,119
would be great. And then um we also loan

1210
00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:37,599
it out in the summertime for them to uh

1211
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,079
transport um the seniors to like the

1212
00:47:40,079 --> 00:47:42,079
park for like the car show and other

1213
00:47:42,079 --> 00:47:44,720
things like that. So, um, everyone loves

1214
00:47:44,720 --> 00:47:46,319
it. It's really fun. So, I understand

1215
00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:48,160
that, um, you know, where it may have

1216
00:47:48,160 --> 00:47:50,400
originated from to try to keep a handle

1217
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,480
on it. Um, I think from the point of

1218
00:47:52,480 --> 00:47:55,760
view of, uh, you know, you know, kids

1219
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,280
using them or getting out of control,

1220
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,680
but I think it's very similar to, uh,

1221
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,760
cars, like we, you know, we can't have

1222
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:03,680
kids under 16 just driving cars around

1223
00:48:03,680 --> 00:48:05,440
and having a good time. And the surons

1224
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,280
are crazy. I know that. We're trying to

1225
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,880
get a handle on that as well. But I

1226
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,040
think uh you know if we can distinguish

1227
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:13,760
those things that would satisfy uh you

1228
00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:15,920
know the the council feeling safety with

1229
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:17,680
uh safe with with permitting the golf

1230
00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,240
carts that would be really great. So

1231
00:48:20,240 --> 00:48:22,240
that's uh that's it.

1232
00:48:22,240 --> 00:48:23,359
>> Thank you.

1233
00:48:23,359 --> 00:48:25,119
>> So we do have three additional public

1234
00:48:25,119 --> 00:48:28,000
comments. Normally we don't take public

1235
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,000
comment for items that are in on the

1236
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,240
agenda but if Andrew will guarantee me

1237
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,119
that we get out before midnight today I

1238
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:35,599
will.

1239
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:38,079
>> Yes I can guarantee midnight. We haven't

1240
00:48:38,079 --> 00:48:40,800
gone that far yet.

1241
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,400
>> But just so you know, I did not ask all

1242
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,000
these golf clubs to come.

1243
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:44,559
>> So, let's

1244
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:46,559
>> I I don't even know some of them.

1245
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,760
>> Let's start with Martha Beck followed by

1246
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,680
Andy Spencer and we'll end with Steve

1247
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,079
Jolly if we can go in that order. Again,

1248
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:55,680
if you could state your name and the

1249
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,920
street that you live on. You don't have

1250
00:48:57,920 --> 00:49:00,000
to give your house address.

1251
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,240
>> Thank you. I'm Martha Beck. I live on

1252
00:49:02,240 --> 00:49:04,960
100 South. Thank you for all your hard

1253
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:06,800
work. I know it can sometimes be

1254
00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:13,520
thankless and people can be honory. Um

1255
00:49:13,520 --> 00:49:16,720
I feel like I should be better educated

1256
00:49:16,720 --> 00:49:21,119
on the whole fire station senior center.

1257
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:23,040
Um

1258
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,920
my concern is

1259
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:28,000
could things be done in a different way

1260
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,480
that would

1261
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,559
make it not as expensive tax-wise?

1262
00:49:34,559 --> 00:49:37,119
I could say that I'm very blessed that

1263
00:49:37,119 --> 00:49:40,000
we got our home

1264
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:44,720
in 91. So that's a great thing. It was a

1265
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:46,480
great deal.

1266
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,599
That being said, we will pay more

1267
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:52,960
in property taxes

1268
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:55,119
in the life of us living in that home

1269
00:49:55,119 --> 00:49:57,920
than we paid for

1270
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,720
the whole mortgage.

1271
00:50:00,720 --> 00:50:04,160
So you know I maybe you'll give more

1272
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,960
information that will help me understand

1273
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,880
the wise it has to be done how it's

1274
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:12,640
projected at this point but I'm just

1275
00:50:12,640 --> 00:50:14,640
wondering

1276
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,480
seems like there's other places that we

1277
00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,160
could gather for a senior center. Thank

1278
00:50:20,160 --> 00:50:20,880
you.

1279
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,520
>> Thank you

1280
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:28,160
Andy Spencer followed by Steve Jolly.

1281
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,240
Thank you, mayor and council. Appreciate

1282
00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:32,319
the the moment to speak. Just want to

1283
00:50:32,319 --> 00:50:34,720
speak uh for a minute. Oh, I live on 200

1284
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:37,599
East. Sorry, forgot that. Uh I just want

1285
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:39,280
to speak for a minute on a a discussion

1286
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,839
item on the agenda tonight um relative

1287
00:50:41,839 --> 00:50:47,359
to the storage unit considerations. Um I uh certainly understand that there is

1288
00:50:47,359 --> 00:50:49,920
a pragmatic element to these that uh

1289
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:51,359
something positive needs to happen with

1290
00:50:51,359 --> 00:50:53,359
the purple site and you know, if it's

1291
00:50:53,359 --> 00:50:55,200
not the storage units, then what? I

1292
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:56,720
think that that's often been discussed

1293
00:50:56,720 --> 00:50:58,960
as this has been leading up to potential

1294
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:01,200
council votes on this issue. I I think

1295
00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:05,760
that I would ask that you back up and look at this from more of a

1296
00:51:05,760 --> 00:51:09,040
long-term land land use perspective and

1297
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:10,480
look at the current planning efforts of

1298
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,800
the city in regard to what has been

1299
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,079
contemplated for the area from the city

1300
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:17,839
hall blocks north as far as its

1301
00:51:17,839 --> 00:51:19,920
transitional nature to the residential

1302
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:25,520
uses. And uh um while it is tempting to

1303
00:51:25,520 --> 00:51:27,520
um

1304
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,960
have something positive happen, uh look

1305
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:33,839
at what's the right decision uh for uh

1306
00:51:33,839 --> 00:51:36,079
the city in a longer term sense as far

1307
00:51:36,079 --> 00:51:38,160
as you know what's the right land use

1308
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,680
there. Um because uh as I've indicated

1309
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:43,839
in some communication with you uh the

1310
00:51:43,839 --> 00:51:45,359
decisions that you make relative to land

1311
00:51:45,359 --> 00:51:47,280
use will far outlive you. they will

1312
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,960
outlive me. And uh you know the uh

1313
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,480
evidence of that is the fact that we're

1314
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:55,520
now battling uh with the land use that's

1315
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,079
uh in congruent with where the community

1316
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:00,319
is today. And so those are very

1317
00:52:00,319 --> 00:52:02,240
difficult decisions and I understand why

1318
00:52:02,240 --> 00:52:03,520
they're difficult decisions. I

1319
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,839
understand that you know having

1320
00:52:05,839 --> 00:52:09,520
something positive in front of you that could happen is is certainly

1321
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:11,599
alluring. Um, but I would encourage you

1322
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:14,240
to look at uh the long-term vision of

1323
00:52:14,240 --> 00:52:17,359
the community and where uh you see the

1324
00:52:17,359 --> 00:52:19,359
community 10 years from now, 20 years

1325
00:52:19,359 --> 00:52:22,160
from now, and what the right land use

1326
00:52:22,160 --> 00:52:25,119
decision is and incorporate that in your

1327
00:52:25,119 --> 00:52:29,280
decision-m um and as a a last side note,

1328
00:52:29,280 --> 00:52:32,880
um while I don't advocate for it, uh if

1329
00:52:32,880 --> 00:52:34,640
you are inclined to move forward with a

1330
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,040
storage unit there, I I understand and

1331
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:38,240
I've read some of the provisions that

1332
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:40,400
are in the code trying to limit uh uses

1333
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:41,839
of storage units other areas in the

1334
00:52:41,839 --> 00:52:43,920
city. I would suggest that some type of

1335
00:52:43,920 --> 00:52:46,160
overlay zone would be a better approach

1336
00:52:46,160 --> 00:52:48,079
um than actually including the

1337
00:52:48,079 --> 00:52:50,240
regulations in the general business

1338
00:52:50,240 --> 00:52:53,359
commercial zoning. Um but again for me

1339
00:52:53,359 --> 00:52:55,040
that would be certainly secondary and a

1340
00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:57,920
fallback. Uh uh I I would advocate for

1341
00:52:57,920 --> 00:52:59,760
something that is more transitional in

1342
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,160
nature in its character. Uh because

1343
00:53:02,160 --> 00:53:03,760
while it may mean holding out for a

1344
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,200
little while longer, I think that it

1345
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,200
provides a better future for the

1346
00:53:07,200 --> 00:53:08,880
community. And I know I'm out of time.

1347
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:09,839
Thanks.

1348
00:53:09,839 --> 00:53:18,549
>> Thank you. Okay, Mr. Jolly.

1349
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:20,319
» Thank you very much for uh the

1350
00:53:20,319 --> 00:53:21,760
opportunity to stand up and speak to

1351
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:25,040
you. Um u just like was advocated

1352
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:25,680
>> name.

1353
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:27,920
>> Oh yeah, let's start with that. My name

1354
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,720
is Steve Jolly. I live on 300 East. Um

1355
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:34,079
I'm a downtowner. I've been here for 33

1356
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:36,960
years. Um anyway, I really appreciate

1357
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:40,880
city council and you mayor Merrill and

1358
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,359
the the comments that were just the two

1359
00:53:43,359 --> 00:53:47,040
before me. Um those are really the

1360
00:53:47,040 --> 00:53:48,800
exactly what I would say. So I don't

1361
00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:52,400
want to take up my time on those. But um

1362
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,280
and I apologize that um I I sent out an

1363
00:53:55,280 --> 00:53:56,960
email I hope that all the council

1364
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,280
members got whenever you open them. Um,

1365
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,119
I said I'm late, but uh I needed to be I

1366
00:54:03,119 --> 00:54:05,280
needed to be more informed, I guess. And

1367
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,200
it's my fault that I I didn't know about

1368
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,599
some of these issues

1369
00:54:09,599 --> 00:54:14,319
until uh a recent meeting with some um

1370
00:54:14,319 --> 00:54:16,400
Alpiners that are concerned about some

1371
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:19,119
of the things coming up. So, I just my

1372
00:54:19,119 --> 00:54:21,040
thing is is

1373
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:25,040
I appreciate the jobs you all do and I

1374
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,680
know that you are our voice. I mean, we

1375
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:31,839
hire you, correct? And and so

1376
00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:35,040
I just feel that some of these decisions

1377
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,520
that get made might be moving too fast.

1378
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:40,000
And there's a lot of smart people in

1379
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,359
town. And I'm not saying I'm the smart

1380
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:43,760
guy. I'm I'm saying that there's a lot

1381
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:46,319
of ideas with the three proposals

1382
00:54:46,319 --> 00:54:48,960
tonight that I think we could if you all

1383
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,280
say no tonight, let's move it forward

1384
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:53,280
and get better ideas because I don't

1385
00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,079
want my taxes going up like Mrs. Beck. I

1386
00:54:56,079 --> 00:54:57,920
can't afford to live here anymore. I got

1387
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:00,480
here in 93 and you can guess what I paid

1388
00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,240
for my house. Um, but I love the

1389
00:55:04,240 --> 00:55:06,720
community. I love Alpine.

1390
00:55:06,720 --> 00:55:08,480
I don't ever want to see a storage unit

1391
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:11,119
in Alpine. And I don't think any of you

1392
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:12,960
would want a storage unit near your

1393
00:55:12,960 --> 00:55:14,720
neighborhood.

1394
00:55:14,720 --> 00:55:17,920
Having said that, I'm grateful for the

1395
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:19,440
me uh the people that are doing the

1396
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:21,599
library, but I don't think that we

1397
00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:24,960
should put the money from

1398
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:28,319
the bookmobile. That's I'm I'm enjoying

1399
00:55:28,319 --> 00:55:32,079
that service to go to them. So, and I

1400
00:55:32,079 --> 00:55:33,839
think the bookmobile can go to the

1401
00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:36,000
library and and be facilitated there.

1402
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:37,520
And and if and if all the things that

1403
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,000
the bookmobile does that I can log in

1404
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:42,720
and and get all the books I want to read

1405
00:55:42,720 --> 00:55:45,040
or listen to online that that does there

1406
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,280
and it doesn't cost any more money.

1407
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,359
Great. Um show that to me. I would

1408
00:55:49,359 --> 00:55:53,599
appreciate that. and then on the fire

1409
00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:57,839
department. Um I just don't understand

1410
00:55:57,839 --> 00:56:01,200
um the reasoning behind it and a

1411
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,000
community center and maybe down the road

1412
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,640
we have maybe we have maybe I'm getting

1413
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:08,640
older. I mean I have but I feel like

1414
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:11,040
you're my community community. So

1415
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:13,680
anyway, I appreciate your time and all

1416
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,400
that you do for us and um I'd be willing

1417
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,920
to talk to you all.

1418
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,200
Thank you, Steve.

1419
00:56:21,200 --> 00:56:23,440
>> So, we have your information. This will

1420
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,599
be with Dian. If any of council want to

1421
00:56:25,599 --> 00:56:26,960
follow up, you can get the contact

1422
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:27,839
information from her.

1423
00:56:27,839 --> 00:56:28,880
>> Thank you.

1424
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,559
>> Um, great comments.

1425
00:56:30,559 --> 00:56:35,599
>> Move on to discussion items,

1426
00:56:35,599 --> 00:56:39,040
>> which is, um, let's go on to a um, the

1427
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:40,799
proposal to relocate funds from the

1428
00:56:40,799 --> 00:56:47,910
bookmobile to the Alpine Library.

1429
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:49,839
Oh yes, sorry. Thank you.

1430
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:51,599
>> Hey, before we start, this is I just

1431
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:53,040
found out about this. This is something

1432
00:56:53,040 --> 00:56:55,599
new for our a new protocol for us. We're

1433
00:56:55,599 --> 00:56:58,720
having discussion items to discuss the

1434
00:56:58,720 --> 00:57:00,960
items before we vote at a future date. I

1435
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,720
know we have done that in some instances

1436
00:57:02,720 --> 00:57:08,640
before, but it sounds like it's a it's a new procedure. Can you just explain

1437
00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:10,240
what what the plan is so the public

1438
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:12,480
knows? And I is that okay? Do

1439
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:19,680
>> you want me to take that m? Yeah. So on some items, sometimes u the council

1440
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,160
needs a little bit more time to consider

1441
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,599
an item. So, uh, for some items you'll

1442
00:57:25,599 --> 00:57:27,839
see on our agenda them being on there

1443
00:57:27,839 --> 00:57:30,799
for discussion only, and then at a

1444
00:57:30,799 --> 00:57:32,640
minimum, they would have two weeks until

1445
00:57:32,640 --> 00:57:35,920
the next council meeting um, if if that

1446
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,680
item ended up landing on the next

1447
00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:41,280
meeting uh, to, you know, do further

1448
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,599
research or consideration or whatever

1449
00:57:43,599 --> 00:57:45,839
they need to do. And so, we have two

1450
00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:47,920
items on the agenda tonight that are in

1451
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:51,839
that c that discussion category. Uh the

1452
00:57:51,839 --> 00:57:53,599
ones below that would be action items

1453
00:57:53,599 --> 00:57:55,839
that we're requesting action from the

1454
00:57:55,839 --> 00:57:58,240
city council tonight. So this no action

1455
00:57:58,240 --> 00:57:59,760
will be on this item. It will just be

1456
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,920
for discussion.

1457
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,400
>> And um Shane, how does that affect when

1458
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,160
council members add something to the

1459
00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:08,880
action item agenda? Will we still take

1460
00:58:08,880 --> 00:58:10,559
two council members and it just moves

1461
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:13,119
right to action?

1462
00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:16,720
>> I I guess it it probably depends a

1463
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:22,000
little bit on the item. If it's like a bigger item, more impactful, like

1464
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,760
we go over the agenda with the mayor

1465
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,160
each week, you know, two council members

1466
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:29,040
can bring an item on the agenda. I you

1467
00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:31,280
know, the golf golf cart thing was

1468
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,280
discussed a few times tonight. Maybe

1469
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:34,640
that would be one that would come for

1470
00:58:34,640 --> 00:58:37,440
discussion and then uh we get direction

1471
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,280
from the council and bring it back to a

1472
00:58:39,280 --> 00:58:41,200
future meeting for action.

1473
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,720
>> Okay.

1474
00:58:42,720 --> 00:58:45,280
>> I like that. I like that uh model of

1475
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,440
bringing them up for discussion. I think

1476
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:49,200
do you want people to talk during those

1477
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:51,119
discussion items or just us? Do you want

1478
00:58:51,119 --> 00:58:53,280
it to be like a collaborative thing or

1479
00:58:53,280 --> 00:58:54,799
>> are you talking about with

1480
00:58:54,799 --> 00:58:57,359
>> Yeah. See or Yeah. So we've got a

1481
00:58:57,359 --> 00:58:59,200
presentation right now.

1482
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:01,119
>> No, not necessarily the public.

1483
00:59:01,119 --> 00:59:02,079
>> Just the presenter.

1484
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:02,319
>> Yes.

1485
00:59:02,319 --> 00:59:03,680
>> Okay. Got it. Got it.

1486
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:04,480
>> Okay.

1487
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:06,640
>> This this item did come on the agenda

1488
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,280
because two council members requested

1489
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:10,400
it.

1490
00:59:10,400 --> 00:59:13,040
I think um like in talk in the new

1491
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,480
format that you've been talking about,

1492
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:16,480
Shane, I I find it helpful to hear all

1493
00:59:16,480 --> 00:59:18,640
of your other perspectives and then if I

1494
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:20,559
need to follow up or think on things,

1495
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:21,760
sometimes when I'm hearing new

1496
00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,520
information, it's hard for me to vote on

1497
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,680
that new information. So, I appreciate

1498
00:59:25,680 --> 00:59:27,119
the two-step process.

1499
00:59:27,119 --> 00:59:28,640
>> Yeah, I do too. I like I said, I just

1500
00:59:28,640 --> 00:59:30,799
learned about it tonight or pre

1501
00:59:30,799 --> 00:59:32,880
premeating dinner that we have and I

1502
00:59:32,880 --> 00:59:34,799
think it's a great idea. I agree with

1503
00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:35,839
Chrissy.

1504
00:59:35,839 --> 00:59:38,240
>> There's a check mark on the sheet we can

1505
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:40,640
do as discussion. Correct. When when

1506
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,359
we're doing the two city councils, I

1507
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:46,000
believe there's a check mark.

1508
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,319
>> Right. Right.

1509
00:59:48,319 --> 00:59:50,240
>> Well, here we go. Start the model.

1510
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:52,880
>> Okay. I was glad to be like much closer

1511
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,960
for that conversation. Okay. My name is

1512
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,760
Bethany Sorenson and I am here um as the

1513
00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:59,520
facility and operations director for the

1514
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,599
Friends of the Alpine Library

1515
01:00:01,599 --> 01:00:04,400
organization. So, um, thank you for

1516
01:00:04,400 --> 01:00:06,640
taking the time to hear this, um,

1517
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,720
discussion and this proposal. And thank

1518
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:10,319
you to council members Blackwell and

1519
01:00:10,319 --> 01:00:12,480
Hanaman for putting this on the agenda.

1520
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,000
Um, so, um, it's a great time to be

1521
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:18,079
involved in Alpine City. Honestly, it's

1522
01:00:18,079 --> 01:00:19,680
lots of exciting things going on and

1523
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:22,079
I'm, um, happy to be participating in

1524
01:00:22,079 --> 01:00:23,520
many different aspects of what's going

1525
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:25,599
on in Alpine City right now. It's also a

1526
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:27,520
great day. Today is my birthday, so if

1527
01:00:27,520 --> 01:00:29,040
we could just keep this festive

1528
01:00:29,040 --> 01:00:32,319
atmosphere going that we have, it'll

1529
01:00:32,319 --> 01:00:35,920
feel like a party. Um so, okay. Um on

1530
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,960
the next slide. So, um we are here to

1531
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,640
kind of talk about the bookmobile and

1532
01:00:40,640 --> 01:00:43,040
what it offers Alpine City and how we

1533
01:00:43,040 --> 01:00:44,880
feel as the friends of the library

1534
01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:47,359
organization can add to the service that

1535
01:00:47,359 --> 01:00:49,440
has been here for 51 years. Quite a

1536
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:52,079
tradition um that we've enjoyed here. We

1537
01:00:52,079 --> 01:00:54,960
feel that we can add to this tradition,

1538
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,040
not take anything away. And today's

1539
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,119
discussion really centers on your

1540
01:00:59,119 --> 01:01:01,920
decision of whether or not you feel that

1541
01:01:01,920 --> 01:01:05,040
you can shift kind of library services

1542
01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:08,079
to us um for the same amount, no change

1543
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:10,319
in the amount, but with a greatly

1544
01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:13,119
increased access for patrons, residents,

1545
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:15,680
and improvement to those services. So

1546
01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,200
that's kind of the decision we're

1547
01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:20,799
discussing today. Um on the next slide,

1548
01:01:20,799 --> 01:01:22,400
these are kind of some of the benefits

1549
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:24,880
of making this change. I'm sure that

1550
01:01:24,880 --> 01:01:27,040
people are wondering why change a thing

1551
01:01:27,040 --> 01:01:30,400
that's been going for 51 years. Um, so

1552
01:01:30,400 --> 01:01:32,640
we feel that some of the benefits that

1553
01:01:32,640 --> 01:01:35,200
would come from making a change would be

1554
01:01:35,200 --> 01:01:38,079
improved predictability, consistency.

1555
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:39,839
There's going to be more regular hours

1556
01:01:39,839 --> 01:01:41,359
instead of guessing is it a bookmobile

1557
01:01:41,359 --> 01:01:43,200
week, is it not? Having to look up what

1558
01:01:43,200 --> 01:01:45,599
the schedule is, where is it located in

1559
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:49,040
Alpine at a certain moment. Um, kind of

1560
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,480
more predictable with a physical

1561
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:52,640
location. Um, we will also feature

1562
01:01:52,640 --> 01:01:55,440
increased access to residents um and

1563
01:01:55,440 --> 01:01:57,119
resources including audiobooks,

1564
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:59,920
something that's highly uh requested by

1565
01:01:59,920 --> 01:02:02,319
the patrons at the Alpine Library. Um,

1566
01:02:02,319 --> 01:02:03,839
we also feel that we have a greater

1567
01:02:03,839 --> 01:02:07,440
ability to cater to resident needs. So,

1568
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,000
we can create programs, we can request

1569
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,559
materials all based on someone walking

1570
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:14,400
into the library saying I am really

1571
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,040
interested in this subject or this book

1572
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:18,559
and we can make that happen. whereas the

1573
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:20,400
bookmobile might not be able to cater

1574
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:24,240
specifically to individuals. Um we also

1575
01:02:24,240 --> 01:02:27,920
feel that this is a very alpine first um

1576
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:31,119
proposal, meaning the taxpayer money

1577
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:33,200
stays here in Alpine. It isn't spreading

1578
01:02:33,200 --> 01:02:35,599
out to the county system. It's going to

1579
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:38,880
a group that's run by Alpine people for

1580
01:02:38,880 --> 01:02:40,880
Alpine people. And that's unique. I

1581
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,240
think there's not a lot of opportunities

1582
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:45,040
like that. So, um we're very excited to

1583
01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,520
kind of keep our funding local. Um on

1584
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:49,440
the next slide I have some kind of

1585
01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,119
explanation about what this is going to

1586
01:02:51,119 --> 01:02:54,319
look like. So we are incredibly honored

1587
01:02:54,319 --> 01:02:55,920
that the state library division has

1588
01:02:55,920 --> 01:02:58,000
asked us and invited us to become part

1589
01:02:58,000 --> 01:03:01,040
of two consortia beehive consorcia and

1590
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,760
juniper consorcia. Um they've come to

1591
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:05,200
our facility. They've met with our

1592
01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:07,280
board. They've seen our volunteer base

1593
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:09,280
and our rapid growth and feel that we

1594
01:03:09,280 --> 01:03:10,880
would be a good candidate to join both

1595
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,040
of these consorcia. Just a brief

1596
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:14,960
overview of what that is. You have the

1597
01:03:14,960 --> 01:03:17,200
Juniper Consoria which is a small kind

1598
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:20,319
of group of rural libraries, small

1599
01:03:20,319 --> 01:03:22,880
libraries, think Vineyard, um, Nephi,

1600
01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:25,039
things like that. Um, places like that.

1601
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:27,599
And this benefit of the consorcia is

1602
01:03:27,599 --> 01:03:29,520
basically to share resources, these

1603
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:32,319
expensive kind of catalog systems, um,

1604
01:03:32,319 --> 01:03:34,799
if we spread out the cost over a bunch

1605
01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:36,480
of small libraries, then it makes it

1606
01:03:36,480 --> 01:03:38,720
that these small libraries can operate.

1607
01:03:38,720 --> 01:03:41,200
The Beehive Consoria is part of the

1608
01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:44,000
state digital library. So joining that

1609
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,680
will give us the access to the Overdrive

1610
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:47,359
and the Libby and the audio books that

1611
01:03:47,359 --> 01:03:50,000
so many readers love today. So that's

1612
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:53,039
kind of a an overview and why we want to

1613
01:03:53,039 --> 01:03:54,720
join these consorcia. It would be too

1614
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:56,880
expensive for us to do this on our own.

1615
01:03:56,880 --> 01:03:59,119
Um on the next slide we'll talk a little

1616
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:00,880
bit about what the bookmo currently

1617
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,599
offers. So they are here every two weeks

1618
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:05,599
and they're here for six hours. They

1619
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:07,440
make three different stops. You can see

1620
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,640
those on the slide. and um have a

1621
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:13,200
rotating collection. Um I talked to

1622
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,440
Chris the librarian and he said that he

1623
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,520
usually um decides on what's in the

1624
01:04:17,520 --> 01:04:20,079
bookmobile based on what patrons request

1625
01:04:20,079 --> 01:04:23,520
like hold. Um so right now there are 4%

1626
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,280
of Alpine residents that hold bookmobile

1627
01:04:25,280 --> 01:04:28,880
cards. They are free. Um and about 2% so

1628
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,640
50% of um so 2% of Alpine residents but

1629
01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:35,839
50% of that 4% is currently using

1630
01:04:35,839 --> 01:04:39,839
utilizing the bookmobile. that is a um

1631
01:04:39,839 --> 01:04:41,039
that data is coming from the state

1632
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:43,920
library division. So um on the next

1633
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,480
slide. So the benefits of kind of our

1634
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,520
proposal is that we increase the access

1635
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:53,599
to the same catalog by eight times. We

1636
01:04:53,599 --> 01:04:55,280
increase the physical space. There's a

1637
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:56,480
lot more room to spread out in the

1638
01:04:56,480 --> 01:04:58,400
library than there is on the bookmobile.

1639
01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:01,039
Um increase convenience, predictability,

1640
01:05:01,039 --> 01:05:02,720
visibility from the Alpine Highway.

1641
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,559
People know that that where the library

1642
01:05:04,559 --> 01:05:06,319
is, where to find it. We have kids

1643
01:05:06,319 --> 01:05:08,160
walking from Mountainville and other

1644
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:10,079
schools all the time and stopping in.

1645
01:05:10,079 --> 01:05:13,440
It's wonderful. Um we just last week had

1646
01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:15,359
two little girls just pop in, come in,

1647
01:05:15,359 --> 01:05:16,559
play a little game together, and then

1648
01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:18,720
said, "Thanks. See you." And just left.

1649
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:20,400
And we thought, "Yes, this is what this

1650
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:21,920
is what we're here for. We want you guys

1651
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,559
to stop by." Um we can offer more

1652
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:26,079
programs, like I've said before, that

1653
01:05:26,079 --> 01:05:27,839
are specifically tailored to Alpine

1654
01:05:27,839 --> 01:05:29,680
residents and curate our collection

1655
01:05:29,680 --> 01:05:31,760
based on local demand. On the next

1656
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,400
slide, a little cost comparison. So, the

1657
01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:37,440
Alpine City currently spends 13,596 on

1658
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:39,359
bookmobile services. We are um

1659
01:05:39,359 --> 01:05:41,039
requesting the reallocation of those

1660
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:43,760
exact funds to the Friends of the Alpine

1661
01:05:43,760 --> 01:05:46,079
Library. Um if you look at a breakdown

1662
01:05:46,079 --> 01:05:47,920
of what that cost is, um right now

1663
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:50,160
you're spending $87 an hour to operate

1664
01:05:50,160 --> 01:05:52,160
the bookmobile. With us, that would

1665
01:05:52,160 --> 01:05:56,400
break down to $11 an hour. Um the local

1666
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:58,160
control is about what I've said. We can

1667
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,920
create programs um and collection. We

1668
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:04,960
can the sub um bookmobile only offers

1669
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:07,359
summer reading program. These are a list

1670
01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:08,640
of some of the programs we're currently

1671
01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:11,520
offering and we have many more. Um we

1672
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,119
just didn't need to go into all of it.

1673
01:06:13,119 --> 01:06:16,000
So this is kind of we feel that this uh

1674
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:17,520
Alpine Library is a more fiscally

1675
01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:20,480
responsible use of these funds. On the

1676
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:23,119
next slide um some more specifics on how

1677
01:06:23,119 --> 01:06:25,200
exactly that money would be broken out

1678
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,280
and budgeted. Um in the packet there was

1679
01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:30,079
a more specific budget breakdown. Those

1680
01:06:30,079 --> 01:06:32,640
are projections. Of course, um as as you

1681
01:06:32,640 --> 01:06:34,400
all know, you can only project so much

1682
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:35,920
and then when it gets down to actual

1683
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,319
expenditure, um it looks it may look a

1684
01:06:38,319 --> 01:06:39,839
little bit different, but just know that

1685
01:06:39,839 --> 01:06:41,440
all of that expenditure would be

1686
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:45,039
reviewed with you guys annually. Um

1687
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:47,440
also, the costs are the same as what

1688
01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:49,280
you've been paying for the bookmobile.

1689
01:06:49,280 --> 01:06:51,440
So, that breaks down into ILS, the

1690
01:06:51,440 --> 01:06:53,119
integrated library system. So, the

1691
01:06:53,119 --> 01:06:55,520
cataloging, how it stays organized, the

1692
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:57,680
curation of a collection, the rotation

1693
01:06:57,680 --> 01:06:59,599
of it. Um, also maintenance. You've been

1694
01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:01,760
paying for bookmobile maintenance on the

1695
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:04,720
bus itself. That's includes gas. And I

1696
01:07:04,720 --> 01:07:06,160
know a couple weeks ago it didn't come

1697
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:07,839
because it had maintenance issues and

1698
01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:10,000
was broken down. That won't happen to

1699
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:14,000
the library. So, um, anyway, um, and

1700
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:16,720
this obviously continues to support, um,

1701
01:07:16,720 --> 01:07:20,640
statewide literacy and, um, goals is

1702
01:07:20,640 --> 01:07:22,160
what I was trying to say. Okay. Okay, on

1703
01:07:22,160 --> 01:07:24,240
the next slide, um just to review again,

1704
01:07:24,240 --> 01:07:26,559
we will as part of um if you decide to

1705
01:07:26,559 --> 01:07:28,799
create this memorandum of under um of

1706
01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:30,319
agreement that we would review it

1707
01:07:30,319 --> 01:07:32,079
annually and also provide a record of

1708
01:07:32,079 --> 01:07:34,640
our expenditures. Um and then on the

1709
01:07:34,640 --> 01:07:37,599
next slide there, I have included some

1710
01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:40,079
um of the details for the state library

1711
01:07:40,079 --> 01:07:41,520
division. This is who we've been working

1712
01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,760
with directly and you have all been

1713
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,440
emailed a copy of this slide so you have

1714
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:46,960
all the information. And so if you have

1715
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:48,880
tons of details that you're wanting to

1716
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:51,200
know, lots of questions about, I would

1717
01:07:51,200 --> 01:07:52,799
suggest reaching out to them and asking

1718
01:07:52,799 --> 01:07:54,640
them. They could describe it better than

1719
01:07:54,640 --> 01:07:57,119
I can in this brief time that I've been

1720
01:07:57,119 --> 01:07:59,440
allotted. So, um, and I know Council

1721
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:01,039
Member Blackwell is going to follow up

1722
01:08:01,039 --> 01:08:02,240
with them and has been trying to reach

1723
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:03,920
them. So, thank you for doing that. I

1724
01:08:03,920 --> 01:08:05,200
would encourage you guys to reach out to

1725
01:08:05,200 --> 01:08:09,359
her for clarification on anything. Um,

1726
01:08:09,359 --> 01:08:11,520
let's see what else. Um we're our goal

1727
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,280
is to kind of uphold the same standard

1728
01:08:13,280 --> 01:08:15,440
that has been provided by the bookmobile

1729
01:08:15,440 --> 01:08:18,000
and and improve upon that. On the next

1730
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:19,839
slide, um I'm sure many of you are

1731
01:08:19,839 --> 01:08:21,199
wondering how this might affect our

1732
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:23,040
wonderful residents at River Meadows.

1733
01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:24,239
They are definitely one of our

1734
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:25,440
priorities and we've been working

1735
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:27,199
closely with Paula who's the activities

1736
01:08:27,199 --> 01:08:29,120
director and also Josh who's the

1737
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:30,960
executive director and then Paula's

1738
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:33,120
assistant Laura. She coordinates field

1739
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,920
trips for the residents. And um we

1740
01:08:35,920 --> 01:08:37,359
already have an established program at

1741
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:38,880
River Meadows. It's called Golden Hour.

1742
01:08:38,880 --> 01:08:40,480
We have a bi-weekly story time where we

1743
01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:42,400
come to River Meadows and visit with

1744
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,400
them. And as part of that, we could

1745
01:08:44,400 --> 01:08:46,640
offer a mobile catalog. We can bring

1746
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,319
books. They can request books to put on

1747
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:50,719
hold. Um, like Mr. Dolly was saying,

1748
01:08:50,719 --> 01:08:52,560
like, can we provide that same ability

1749
01:08:52,560 --> 01:08:54,319
to go onto the catalog and request what

1750
01:08:54,319 --> 01:08:56,640
books you want? Yes, we can. We can work

1751
01:08:56,640 --> 01:08:58,400
on an agreement that will create that

1752
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:01,359
same opportunity and access. That's

1753
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:04,400
really important to us. So, um, it is a

1754
01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:05,679
priority for us to make sure we're not

1755
01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:09,120
taking anything away. Um, we'll also be

1756
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:11,120
adding a curbside option. So, patrons

1757
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:12,400
would be able to pull up to the Alpine

1758
01:09:12,400 --> 01:09:14,480
Library, call the number on the sign,

1759
01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:16,159
and we would be able to bring books down

1760
01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:17,759
if that's a problem for some people or

1761
01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:19,440
if they don't want to go in or have kids

1762
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:21,440
in the car. Any age could could utilize

1763
01:09:21,440 --> 01:09:24,000
that option. Um, and then we are

1764
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:25,839
planning to schedule regular field trips

1765
01:09:25,839 --> 01:09:28,480
for River Meadows uh residents to be

1766
01:09:28,480 --> 01:09:30,000
able to come to the library. They like

1767
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,960
to get out. So, um, on the next slide, I

1768
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,719
have an example of a letter of support.

1769
01:09:34,719 --> 01:09:38,080
Um Paula and Josh sent this over uh this

1770
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:40,480
afternoon and let um to just let you

1771
01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:42,400
guys know that they are supportive of us

1772
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,920
and excited about these changes and um

1773
01:09:45,920 --> 01:09:47,679
would look forward to working with us.

1774
01:09:47,679 --> 01:09:49,759
So I just wanted you to be able to see

1775
01:09:49,759 --> 01:09:52,080
how they felt about it. Um on the next

1776
01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:54,400
slide, some more kind of questions. Um

1777
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,040
just generally the library would be

1778
01:09:57,040 --> 01:09:58,719
continue to be run by the nonprofit

1779
01:09:58,719 --> 01:10:00,320
organization Friends of the Alpine

1780
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:03,120
Library and we will abide by ALA

1781
01:10:03,120 --> 01:10:05,679
American Library Association standards.

1782
01:10:05,679 --> 01:10:07,280
And it's important to us to make sure

1783
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:09,040
that we establish ourselves as a

1784
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,280
legitimate library, not just kind of a

1785
01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,920
thrown together uh initiative. So, and

1786
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:16,159
we do have volunteers that have master's

1787
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:18,400
degree in library science that are

1788
01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:20,800
actually helping to maintain our

1789
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:22,640
collection that make sure it keeps that

1790
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,000
statewide standard. Um, on the very last

1791
01:10:26,000 --> 01:10:28,400
slide, just in conclusion,

1792
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:30,000
so we have been kind of officially

1793
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:33,280
operating for about one year and in that

1794
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:35,760
year we have issued about almost 300

1795
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:37,520
cards, library cards. They are free and

1796
01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,840
they will continue to be free. And then

1797
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:41,520
we've been open in our current physical

1798
01:10:41,520 --> 01:10:43,760
location for three months and we have

1799
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:46,719
circulated um more than 1,000 titles,

1800
01:10:46,719 --> 01:10:48,960
materials in those three months. So

1801
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:50,880
there it's getting used, it's getting

1802
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:53,280
accessed. Just I hope that those numbers

1803
01:10:53,280 --> 01:10:54,880
help you guys understand where we're at.

1804
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,880
We have more than two dozen volunteers

1805
01:10:56,880 --> 01:10:58,880
who uh volunteer at the library and

1806
01:10:58,880 --> 01:11:01,920
we're always looking for more. Um and we

1807
01:11:01,920 --> 01:11:04,320
have felt I mean we've grown so quick.

1808
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,960
we faster than we ever anticipated and

1809
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,719
it's been amazing to see the positive

1810
01:11:08,719 --> 01:11:10,400
response. A lot of people come in and

1811
01:11:10,400 --> 01:11:12,320
say this is a dream come true. We've

1812
01:11:12,320 --> 01:11:14,480
waited so long for this and we are so

1813
01:11:14,480 --> 01:11:16,880
excited about it and we just feed off of

1814
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:19,040
that enthusiasm and that positivity. It

1815
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:20,880
just keeps us going and we're very

1816
01:11:20,880 --> 01:11:24,000
motivated by uh by yeah by this um

1817
01:11:24,000 --> 01:11:26,400
project, this initiative. We feel that

1818
01:11:26,400 --> 01:11:28,640
this proposal is a wise investment back

1819
01:11:28,640 --> 01:11:31,120
right back into our community and a

1820
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,840
demonstration of kind of our faith in in

1821
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,840
the residents and that they are willing

1822
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:38,800
to do what they uh willing to put action

1823
01:11:38,800 --> 01:11:40,960
into what they want. So, um thank you

1824
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,560
for taking the time and I would love to

1825
01:11:42,560 --> 01:11:43,840
answer any questions you guys might

1826
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:45,600
have.

1827
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:48,159
>> Chrissy, did you want to start

1828
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:49,840
>> question with questions?

1829
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:50,400
>> Yes.

1830
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:53,040
>> Um I'll can I be the last this time?

1831
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,000
>> Okay, Andrew. Sure. Why?

1832
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:56,560
>> Thank you.

1833
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:58,640
>> Yeah, that's okay. Uh, thanks Bethany

1834
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,880
and all of your team that does all this

1835
01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:07,040
work. I can think of few things uh more

1836
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:10,080
good to do in life than libraries and

1837
01:12:10,080 --> 01:12:12,640
books. Um,

1838
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:14,159
>> I thank you for the call.

1839
01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:14,640
>> You bet.

1840
01:12:14,640 --> 01:12:17,199
>> Thank you for the call. Um, this is like

1841
01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:20,080
many issues that I don't have like a

1842
01:12:20,080 --> 01:12:23,600
strong stance on. So what I do for every

1843
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:28,000
issue um is I weigh it on two things.

1844
01:12:28,000 --> 01:12:29,679
The consent of the governed, especially

1845
01:12:29,679 --> 01:12:32,239
those that live by somewhere. Do they

1846
01:12:32,239 --> 01:12:34,960
consent to this? Do they want this? Um

1847
01:12:34,960 --> 01:12:36,640
is there some sort of consensus? And

1848
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:38,320
then does this fit the identity of

1849
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:39,360
Alpine?

1850
01:12:39,360 --> 01:12:40,719
>> Like I I pretty much weigh every

1851
01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:42,480
decision on that. If it if it meets both

1852
01:12:42,480 --> 01:12:44,239
of those, it's a yes. And it rarely ever

1853
01:12:44,239 --> 01:12:45,440
is. Mhm.

1854
01:12:45,440 --> 01:12:49,760
>> Um yours yours at its current status I

1855
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,640
think does uphold the um identity of

1856
01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,199
Alpine being a community that is

1857
01:12:55,199 --> 01:12:57,280
closenknit. I don't know what books are

1858
01:12:57,280 --> 01:12:58,800
in there. I go to the AF library and I

1859
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,159
question everything in life when I see

1860
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:01,840
the books that are in the AF library for

1861
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:04,400
my kids but um that's another story. I

1862
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:07,520
use the AF library. Um and I I was a

1863
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,360
child at the bookmobile. I remember I as

1864
01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,280
you were talking about the bookmobile I

1865
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:13,120
was smelling the smell of the bookmobile

1866
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:15,600
as a child. There is a smell.

1867
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:16,960
>> So anyways, I reached the other one

1868
01:13:16,960 --> 01:13:18,320
though is the residents. So I reached

1869
01:13:18,320 --> 01:13:19,760
out to a bunch of residents because I

1870
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:21,199
did not know where they stood on this.

1871
01:13:21,199 --> 01:13:22,880
You heard from a couple

1872
01:13:22,880 --> 01:13:25,360
>> and umh

1873
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:26,640
I love that you guys are trying to do

1874
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,640
this, but there are a lot of issues that

1875
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,400
the residents have brought up that I

1876
01:13:30,400 --> 01:13:33,520
would have had no idea about. And I can

1877
01:13:33,520 --> 01:13:35,280
email these to you and it's not just

1878
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:38,640
some. It's quite a few. Um I can email

1879
01:13:38,640 --> 01:13:40,239
them to you. I can go through a couple

1880
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:44,000
of them. I can encapsulate them. But in

1881
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,159
short, there's a couple things that if

1882
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:48,159
you can somehow

1883
01:13:48,159 --> 01:13:49,920
solve it with these residents, I think

1884
01:13:49,920 --> 01:13:52,000
you'll have hit a home run.

1885
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:53,040
>> There aren't very many people who can

1886
01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:55,520
hit a home run in Alpine. One who has is

1887
01:13:55,520 --> 01:13:57,520
the uh bridal of hope.

1888
01:13:57,520 --> 01:13:58,400
>> I know you love them.

1889
01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,159
>> I Well, it's not that I love them. I

1890
01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:02,320
question how they did it. How did they

1891
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:03,120
build such a

1892
01:14:03,120 --> 01:14:05,440
>> money?

1893
01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:08,320
>> I question how did Well, no. No, because

1894
01:14:08,320 --> 01:14:09,840
that's not true. There are some people

1895
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,560
>> I'm teasing you. I got two really big

1896
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:14,560
high rollers on both sides of me and

1897
01:14:14,560 --> 01:14:16,960
it's so I asked him, "How did you build

1898
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:19,120
such a big facility? How did you have so

1899
01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,360
many people coming and going and not

1900
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,719
have one resident or neighbor mad at

1901
01:14:24,719 --> 01:14:27,760
you? How are they all how are they so

1902
01:14:27,760 --> 01:14:30,480
happy with you? What did you do?" And he

1903
01:14:30,480 --> 01:14:32,000
just said, "We tried to be good

1904
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:34,480
neighbors. We we just took it from the

1905
01:14:34,480 --> 01:14:35,840
beginning and we just made sure to be

1906
01:14:35,840 --> 01:14:37,280
good neighbors." So that's what's

1907
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:39,679
missing here. Um, and it became apparent

1908
01:14:39,679 --> 01:14:41,920
from the people. There's everything from

1909
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:44,640
trees that were ripped out to the city

1910
01:14:44,640 --> 01:14:47,440
is being played by there was an intent

1911
01:14:47,440 --> 01:14:49,840
for this to be a certain way and now

1912
01:14:49,840 --> 01:14:52,719
it's very quickly changing. People are

1913
01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:54,800
even texting me during this time giving

1914
01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,920
me more feedback and so why don't I just

1915
01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,640
email them to you and your team and then

1916
01:15:00,640 --> 01:15:02,560
what what I would suggest or my question

1917
01:15:02,560 --> 01:15:05,360
is if if you can address it if you can

1918
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:07,679
help out be that good neighbor I think

1919
01:15:07,679 --> 01:15:09,360
you'll have something really special.

1920
01:15:09,360 --> 01:15:10,960
So, I guess it's more of a comment of

1921
01:15:10,960 --> 01:15:12,960
where I came from when we talked

1922
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:14,239
>> because when we talked, I was like, I

1923
01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:15,440
don't know. I've got to I've got to do

1924
01:15:15,440 --> 01:15:17,120
my research and my due diligence with

1925
01:15:17,120 --> 01:15:18,000
the people,

1926
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:18,400
>> right?

1927
01:15:18,400 --> 01:15:20,640
>> And uh that's what I found. And some of

1928
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:22,960
the big issues were why are the taxes

1929
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:24,159
going to this?

1930
01:15:24,159 --> 01:15:27,440
>> Um um you heard some of the other ones.

1931
01:15:27,440 --> 01:15:29,280
Um how does this change the relationship

1932
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,640
once the city is putting out the money

1933
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:34,960
uh versus or or to a nonprofit? Like do

1934
01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:36,640
we do this to other nonprofits? Anyways,

1935
01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:38,159
I think I've taken enough time, but why

1936
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:40,159
don't I email them to you and uh your

1937
01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:41,440
wonderful team

1938
01:15:41,440 --> 01:15:43,600
>> and see what you think? See if you can

1939
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:45,440
meet them. See if you can help them.

1940
01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:46,719
You'll get their specifics. I write down

1941
01:15:46,719 --> 01:15:47,600
every single one.

1942
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:48,080
>> Perfect.

1943
01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:50,719
>> And see I I guess the question is what's

1944
01:15:50,719 --> 01:15:52,320
your willingness for that that that kind

1945
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:54,480
of a thing. Well, I would be happy to

1946
01:15:54,480 --> 01:15:56,400
talk to anyone and we have said that

1947
01:15:56,400 --> 01:15:59,199
from the very start that especially in

1948
01:15:59,199 --> 01:16:01,360
previous meetings, we met with residents

1949
01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:04,080
who came to make public comment about

1950
01:16:04,080 --> 01:16:06,960
the library going into that location um

1951
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,040
at planning commission and we we gave

1952
01:16:09,040 --> 01:16:10,640
our numbers to every single person and

1953
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:12,320
said if you have an issue please let's

1954
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:14,560
talk to directly to each other instead

1955
01:16:14,560 --> 01:16:16,960
of going through the rigoral that then

1956
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:19,199
delays meetings and makes it an

1957
01:16:19,199 --> 01:16:22,400
inefficient use of everyone's time. So

1958
01:16:22,400 --> 01:16:24,480
they can reach out to us, okay,

1959
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:26,640
>> and talk through those things. We would

1960
01:16:26,640 --> 01:16:28,320
be delighted to talk to them.

1961
01:16:28,320 --> 01:16:28,719
>> Awesome.

1962
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:30,800
>> The other thing I will say is because

1963
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:32,800
this is a discussion item and we are

1964
01:16:32,800 --> 01:16:35,280
hoping to take action on it by the next

1965
01:16:35,280 --> 01:16:37,679
city council meeting, I'm concerned that

1966
01:16:37,679 --> 01:16:41,440
if we do take the discussion offline

1967
01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:44,080
that then the other council members

1968
01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:46,400
won't feel that they're able to make an

1969
01:16:46,400 --> 01:16:47,280
educated vote.

1970
01:16:47,280 --> 01:16:49,280
>> Oh, do you want me to say them really

1971
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,199
quick? So, I would say maybe take a

1972
01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:53,920
moment to summarize if you're willing to

1973
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:55,120
summarize

1974
01:16:55,120 --> 01:16:56,880
>> and I could try to address that here.

1975
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:58,480
>> Well, okay. I'll say them really quick.

1976
01:16:58,480 --> 01:17:01,520
Um, uh, as quick as I can. Uh,

1977
01:17:01,520 --> 01:17:02,800
>> a condensed version.

1978
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,960
>> Yeah, I'm I'm trying. I I feel the

1979
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,719
pressure. Um, okay. Crossing the line,

1980
01:17:08,719 --> 01:17:11,760
the deed back, uh, of the of the parking

1981
01:17:11,760 --> 01:17:15,600
lot is not what people ever anticipated.

1982
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:17,760
They thought that was going to be for um

1983
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,159
Burgess Orchards. Uh I'm sorry. They

1984
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:22,800
thought it was going to be for you guys

1985
01:17:22,800 --> 01:17:24,640
so that you would have parking. Uh now

1986
01:17:24,640 --> 01:17:26,159
it's Burgess Orchards. They don't know

1987
01:17:26,159 --> 01:17:27,440
how. And anyways, there's a problem with

1988
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:29,520
the deedback giving the city giving

1989
01:17:29,520 --> 01:17:31,040
money. The city needs to clean this up.

1990
01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:32,880
Parking dedicated to them during

1991
01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:34,640
operation hours. Full fire marshall

1992
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:36,159
inspection. And city needs to be close

1993
01:17:36,159 --> 01:17:39,360
to the city needs to uh be over their

1994
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,000
operating hours because uh some of the

1995
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:43,120
residents are saying like well like

1996
01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:44,239
they're closed when they're at work and

1997
01:17:44,239 --> 01:17:45,840
when they come home they're not there.

1998
01:17:45,840 --> 01:17:48,239
Um against let's see that I'm against

1999
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:50,960
the public library uh should be a user

2000
01:17:50,960 --> 01:17:53,120
fee based. I got this a lot. They would

2001
01:17:53,120 --> 01:17:54,560
like it to be user fee. They would like

2002
01:17:54,560 --> 01:17:56,960
your funding to come from users not

2003
01:17:56,960 --> 01:17:59,440
taxes. Um I don't want to pay for the

2004
01:17:59,440 --> 01:18:01,920
scale. They feel like it's scaling and

2005
01:18:01,920 --> 01:18:04,719
they feel like they're now becoming uh

2006
01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:06,080
the people who would pay for it and they

2007
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:07,360
would rather have you combo with Salt

2008
01:18:07,360 --> 01:18:11,199
Lake or ORM. They don't think al they know Alpine already subsidizes

2009
01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:13,600
library cards. They think that's enough.

2010
01:18:13,600 --> 01:18:16,640
Uh uh the service should be funded by

2011
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:18,719
those who wish to continue donating and

2012
01:18:18,719 --> 01:18:21,440
expanding the current services provided.

2013
01:18:21,440 --> 01:18:23,679
They would like uh to reserve our

2014
01:18:23,679 --> 01:18:26,880
limited revenue we have only to fund the

2015
01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:29,679
essential services like water um and

2016
01:18:29,679 --> 01:18:31,199
things that are really kind of like you

2017
01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:33,840
know pressing. Um I I want to step in

2018
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,679
and say I'm not trying I'm just

2019
01:18:35,679 --> 01:18:36,320
repeating.

2020
01:18:36,320 --> 01:18:38,000
>> I I'm so happy to hear all of these

2021
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:39,360
because I have answers for all of them.

2022
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:41,760
>> Oh good. Okay. So however you want um

2023
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:43,440
the the signage on the wall would be hit

2024
01:18:43,440 --> 01:18:45,520
the gravel spilling on the driveway. Uh

2025
01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:47,600
they sweep the sidewalk. Uh the benefit

2026
01:18:47,600 --> 01:18:49,120
because at work it's okay I got that

2027
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:50,560
one. The trees. There's a big issue

2028
01:18:50,560 --> 01:18:51,679
about the trees. I guess they were

2029
01:18:51,679 --> 01:18:52,960
promised when they were taken out they'd

2030
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,719
be put back. Instead, there's lilac

2031
01:18:54,719 --> 01:18:56,159
bushes, so they would like those trees

2032
01:18:56,159 --> 01:18:56,560
put back.

2033
01:18:56,560 --> 01:18:57,600
>> Yeah, that's Tom.

2034
01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,000
>> Um, the city is being played enough

2035
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:02,000
already. Okay. I'm trying to do this.

2036
01:19:02,000 --> 01:19:04,080
Uh, the classes. They're wondering how

2037
01:19:04,080 --> 01:19:06,640
you're going to guarantee um if you have

2038
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:08,239
classes that you can give the parking

2039
01:19:08,239 --> 01:19:10,480
over when it becomes too much with the

2040
01:19:10,480 --> 01:19:12,400
uh Burgess Orchards. So, they're saying

2041
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,840
that uh um that if the city pays money,

2042
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:17,199
we're going to have to enforce and

2043
01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:20,000
oversee things. Um, from the beginning,

2044
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:21,280
my understanding was the purchase of

2045
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:22,800
Suzanne Tyler's home was intended to be

2046
01:19:22,800 --> 01:19:24,080
provided additional parking for the

2047
01:19:24,080 --> 01:19:25,840
fruit stand. Since then, the plan has

2048
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,000
expanded significantly in in creating

2049
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,840
and operating a library. More recently,

2050
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:30,800
there have been discussions about

2051
01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:32,320
eliminating the book mobile, relocating

2052
01:19:32,320 --> 01:19:34,080
those funds, and hiring a full-time

2053
01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:35,440
librarian, even though the original

2054
01:19:35,440 --> 01:19:37,600
concept concept was to run a

2055
01:19:37,600 --> 01:19:40,719
volunteer-based um library. There's

2056
01:19:40,719 --> 01:19:44,400
more, but I'll email them to you. And I hope that gives you basically the

2057
01:19:44,400 --> 01:19:47,120
feedback from uh I would say 80%

2058
01:19:47,120 --> 01:19:51,120
surrounding the area, 20% uh within a

2059
01:19:51,120 --> 01:19:54,000
mile to some outliers who were far away.

2060
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:56,640
That's that's all I gathered. Thank you.

2061
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:59,199
>> Okay. Are you okay if I try to respond

2062
01:19:59,199 --> 01:19:59,840
to those?

2063
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:00,159
>> Yeah.

2064
01:20:00,159 --> 01:20:02,159
>> Okay. So, a couple of things. I'll try

2065
01:20:02,159 --> 01:20:04,239
to cover all of them. So, we're unique

2066
01:20:04,239 --> 01:20:07,600
in that we inherited a property that had

2067
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,080
some feelings about it before we were

2068
01:20:10,080 --> 01:20:12,719
ever there. So a lot of these issues

2069
01:20:12,719 --> 01:20:15,679
about how it's the property lines are,

2070
01:20:15,679 --> 01:20:18,480
how the trees, all those things we

2071
01:20:18,480 --> 01:20:23,760
inherited. So we're doing our best to uh

2072
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:26,320
remediate those some of those concerns,

2073
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,640
but they take time and money and we are

2074
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:32,239
a nonprofit. So um we're aware of them.

2075
01:20:32,239 --> 01:20:33,760
I've talked to some of the neighbors

2076
01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:36,239
about the trees specifically. We've even

2077
01:20:36,239 --> 01:20:38,159
gotten as specific as what kind of trees

2078
01:20:38,159 --> 01:20:40,159
they would like to have put in. And I

2079
01:20:40,159 --> 01:20:42,080
said, "Great. I'm all for that. Just

2080
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:44,400
give me time to raise the money." So,

2081
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:46,239
okay. Um, just know that there is going

2082
01:20:46,239 --> 01:20:49,520
to take some time. The, um, one of the

2083
01:20:49,520 --> 01:20:51,280
requests of the planning commission was

2084
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:53,440
that we regrade that gravel drive.

2085
01:20:53,440 --> 01:20:54,640
That's some of that gravel that's

2086
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:56,800
spilling down. Yes, I could take a broom

2087
01:20:56,800 --> 01:20:58,880
out there and sweep it if it's bothering

2088
01:20:58,880 --> 01:21:00,560
someone. It's been winter. The

2089
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:03,280
driveway's blocked off. So, um, I hasn't

2090
01:21:03,280 --> 01:21:04,960
been a safety issue, but that's

2091
01:21:04,960 --> 01:21:06,719
certainly something easy. I can have it

2092
01:21:06,719 --> 01:21:08,320
done tomorrow. Um

2093
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,400
>> yeah, I just and then our planning

2094
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:14,080
commission, so our permit actually is

2095
01:21:14,080 --> 01:21:17,600
built around making sure we manage the

2096
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,080
overflow parking with Burgess Orchards.

2097
01:21:20,080 --> 01:21:22,239
So we have limited hours during what

2098
01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:24,400
they call open season for the orchard,

2099
01:21:24,400 --> 01:21:26,080
which is from the beginning of July

2100
01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,640
until the end of October. So we are not

2101
01:21:28,640 --> 01:21:30,640
open any later than 5:00. We're never

2102
01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:34,560
open on Saturdays and we close by 3 at

2103
01:21:34,560 --> 01:21:38,080
on um during open season. So the reason

2104
01:21:38,080 --> 01:21:40,080
why we didn't feel it was necessary to

2105
01:21:40,080 --> 01:21:42,400
designate parking for the library is

2106
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:44,880
because the library isn't open during

2107
01:21:44,880 --> 01:21:48,320
those peak times. So we feel that we

2108
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:49,920
have figured out a good balance between

2109
01:21:49,920 --> 01:21:53,040
our hours and the orchard demand and we

2110
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:54,880
are using this summer as our test

2111
01:21:54,880 --> 01:21:57,280
summer. So we're really limiting our

2112
01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,840
programs. we're limiting our hours out

2113
01:21:59,840 --> 01:22:03,199
of consideration for this issue and

2114
01:22:03,199 --> 01:22:05,120
wanting to make sure that we are not

2115
01:22:05,120 --> 01:22:09,760
adding to an existing problem. So, it's a priority. We don't want the

2116
01:22:09,760 --> 01:22:14,000
drama. We just want our books. So, um so

2117
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,840
just know that we are aware of these

2118
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,000
concerns and we feel that we have put

2119
01:22:18,000 --> 01:22:20,159
some procedures into place that will

2120
01:22:20,159 --> 01:22:22,960
prevent problems and should problems

2121
01:22:22,960 --> 01:22:25,600
arise then we will address them. So, um

2122
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:27,600
was there anything else? No, the the

2123
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:29,360
whole point of all this and I'll end is

2124
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:33,040
just if these types of folks come to

2125
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,679
folks like me and say they've done it, I

2126
01:22:35,679 --> 01:22:37,360
love what they're doing. It's a great to

2127
01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,040
have them.

2128
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:43,189
>> Oh, sorry.

2129
01:22:43,199 --> 01:22:45,280
» I turn if these types of residents come

2130
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,199
forward and say, "Look, that it's it's

2131
01:22:47,199 --> 01:22:48,480
because what I ask them is this

2132
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:50,719
improving is this giving positive impact

2133
01:22:50,719 --> 01:22:52,000
to your community or is this giving

2134
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:53,760
negative impact?" I don't know because I

2135
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,679
don't live by it. and then they tell me

2136
01:22:55,679 --> 01:22:58,320
if they can come back and say

2137
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:00,800
I love what they're doing and it's it's

2138
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:02,560
creating positive impact, I'll be your

2139
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:04,000
number one supporter.

2140
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,000
>> Um but but I needed to come from them

2141
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,840
because they live there and it's 24/7

2142
01:23:07,840 --> 01:23:10,080
from for them just like in our beautiful

2143
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:11,040
neighborhoods. Yes.

2144
01:23:11,040 --> 01:23:13,440
>> Um we want to have it, you know, very

2145
01:23:13,440 --> 01:23:15,280
special and nice and so yes,

2146
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:16,800
>> I would do the same thing if it was in

2147
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:17,679
your neighborhood and

2148
01:23:17,679 --> 01:23:20,480
>> and I appreciate that. Um, one other

2149
01:23:20,480 --> 01:23:22,480
topic that maybe I didn't cover so much

2150
01:23:22,480 --> 01:23:24,400
was kind of

2151
01:23:24,400 --> 01:23:26,320
>> why do we want the city to pay for this

2152
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:27,600
versus Yeah, there's a lot.

2153
01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:30,719
>> So, the city is already already spending

2154
01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:32,880
this money on library services, right?

2155
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:35,679
It is going to the bookmobile. Is that

2156
01:23:35,679 --> 01:23:39,280
the best use of your taxpayer funds?

2157
01:23:39,280 --> 01:23:42,639
It's $87 per hour versus $11 an hour.

2158
01:23:42,639 --> 01:23:44,480
You're already spended. It's not going

2159
01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:46,800
to increase taxes or add an additional

2160
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,840
burden to the residents. So, we're

2161
01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,239
thinking this is a better use, more

2162
01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:54,400
efficient use of those funds.

2163
01:23:54,400 --> 01:23:55,199
>> I see that.

2164
01:23:55,199 --> 01:23:58,159
>> Now, why don't we just have, you know,

2165
01:23:58,159 --> 01:24:00,960
Joan Oram or those other libraries that

2166
01:24:00,960 --> 01:24:03,360
are bigger and then have it not be a

2167
01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:06,560
problem for the city? There are other

2168
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:08,560
benchmarks that have to be met in order

2169
01:24:08,560 --> 01:24:11,360
to join those larger consortiums. This

2170
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:14,400
is not the beehive or the juniper and it

2171
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:17,600
gets complicated and more expensive. So

2172
01:24:17,600 --> 01:24:20,159
actually to join those bigger libraries

2173
01:24:20,159 --> 01:24:22,400
would end up costing everyone more

2174
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:25,280
money. This is the smartest way to give

2175
01:24:25,280 --> 01:24:27,040
more to the residents and the most

2176
01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,040
fiscally responsible. So I hope that

2177
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:30,480
kind of resolves that concern.

2178
01:24:30,480 --> 01:24:32,159
>> That helps. Thank you. Yeah. And you're

2179
01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:33,760
welcome. I hope it's a beautiful

2180
01:24:33,760 --> 01:24:36,880
collaboration that they uh come together

2181
01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:40,080
with you. Uh, I hope it works out and uh

2182
01:24:40,080 --> 01:24:42,000
I'll follow up with them. Okay. And if

2183
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:43,440
you follow up with them,

2184
01:24:43,440 --> 01:24:45,280
>> um, I think it will, uh, be very

2185
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:46,159
positive for them.

2186
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:48,239
>> I hope so. I really do. I really do hope

2187
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:48,719
so.

2188
01:24:48,719 --> 01:24:49,760
>> Okay. Well, give them a call. You know

2189
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:50,320
them all.

2190
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:51,679
>> Yes, it's true.

2191
01:24:51,679 --> 01:24:53,360
>> Okay. Anyone else have questions?

2192
01:24:53,360 --> 01:24:54,320
>> Yeah, it's my turn.

2193
01:24:54,320 --> 01:24:55,360
>> Okay. Yes.

2194
01:24:55,360 --> 01:24:57,199
>> Happy birthday, first of all. Thanks for

2195
01:24:57,199 --> 01:24:58,960
the tour last week of your library.

2196
01:24:58,960 --> 01:25:00,000
>> Yes. Thanks for coming.

2197
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:01,120
>> Amazing job.

2198
01:25:01,120 --> 01:25:03,120
>> Um, I heard from some of the same

2199
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:04,320
residents, so I do have a couple of

2200
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:06,080
follow-up questions on some things. Just

2201
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:08,000
want to make sure they're clear and I'm

2202
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:11,440
clear. Um, first of all,

2203
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:14,880
I just it sounds like you you're gonna

2204
01:25:14,880 --> 01:25:16,719
meet every

2205
01:25:16,719 --> 01:25:18,560
um benefit of the bookmobile that's

2206
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:20,080
already being provided to our residents.

2207
01:25:20,080 --> 01:25:21,920
So, Mr. Jolly expressed concern about he

2208
01:25:21,920 --> 01:25:23,679
likes to use the bookmobile and he was

2209
01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:25,280
worried about maybe losing out on some

2210
01:25:25,280 --> 01:25:27,280
of that, but it sounds like that is

2211
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:29,360
going to be available for everybody in

2212
01:25:29,360 --> 01:25:31,120
for with extended hours. And I really

2213
01:25:31,120 --> 01:25:32,560
like what you've done with with River

2214
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:36,400
Meadows. I do having uh in-laws that are

2215
01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:37,760
now in assisted living how much they

2216
01:25:37,760 --> 01:25:39,199
like to get out. I think that's great

2217
01:25:39,199 --> 01:25:40,800
that they can come or you guys can take

2218
01:25:40,800 --> 01:25:42,560
the books to them.

2219
01:25:42,560 --> 01:25:45,199
>> So are you you currently meet all the

2220
01:25:45,199 --> 01:25:47,199
requirements to join the Beehive

2221
01:25:47,199 --> 01:25:49,679
Consortium. Is that

2222
01:25:49,679 --> 01:25:50,639
>> Yes. Um

2223
01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:53,920
>> I I got a a text from Jen today because

2224
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:56,159
I was asking one of the one resident

2225
01:25:56,159 --> 01:25:57,760
asked be concerned about okay I can get

2226
01:25:57,760 --> 01:25:59,520
my ebooks but am I going to get physical

2227
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:00,800
books? Am I going to get the physical

2228
01:26:00,800 --> 01:26:03,360
copies? And Jen said, "Yeah, we're

2229
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:04,960
exploring a new program with a state

2230
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:06,560
library. It's different from the Juniper

2231
01:26:06,560 --> 01:26:08,159
Consortium."

2232
01:26:08,159 --> 01:26:09,520
So is do we already meet those

2233
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:10,880
requirements or is there something about

2234
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:12,800
a full-time librarian requirement that I

2235
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:13,920
hear rumors about?

2236
01:26:13,920 --> 01:26:16,320
>> Okay, so that so full-time two different

2237
01:26:16,320 --> 01:26:18,239
things here. We have full-time librarian

2238
01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:20,159
that is a whole different animal and

2239
01:26:20,159 --> 01:26:22,159
we're not even proposing that or even

2240
01:26:22,159 --> 01:26:23,600
thinking that that is even going to be a

2241
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:24,800
possibility. It will continue to be

2242
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:27,360
volunteer. that would be part of if we

2243
01:26:27,360 --> 01:26:30,080
were become a state certified library

2244
01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:32,159
and that is a whole another set of of

2245
01:26:32,159 --> 01:26:33,679
benchmarks kind of what I was referring

2246
01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:36,159
to joining those larger libraries

2247
01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:37,760
different consortium different

2248
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:40,880
benchmarks so no full-time librarian we

2249
01:26:40,880 --> 01:26:43,840
this money will not be to pay staff so

2250
01:26:43,840 --> 01:26:46,080
just to be clear and then as far as the

2251
01:26:46,080 --> 01:26:48,880
physical books go it's part of that MOA

2252
01:26:48,880 --> 01:26:51,120
that we would build out with you guys

2253
01:26:51,120 --> 01:26:53,120
and with the state library division that

2254
01:26:53,120 --> 01:26:56,159
would include both physical and digital

2255
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:59,040
media and like I said, our goal is to

2256
01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:00,560
make sure we're taking nothing away.

2257
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:02,560
That is so important to us.

2258
01:27:02,560 --> 01:27:04,159
>> So when when will you know if that's

2259
01:27:04,159 --> 01:27:06,080
going to work, that you can not take

2260
01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:08,480
anything away from the bookmobile access

2261
01:27:08,480 --> 01:27:10,639
that will now be transferred to you?

2262
01:27:10,639 --> 01:27:12,400
>> In our meetings with the state library

2263
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:14,239
division, we feel confident that it will

2264
01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:17,520
work. So we'll know when we get approval

2265
01:27:17,520 --> 01:27:20,480
of this agenda item.

2266
01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:22,159
>> You'll know by in

2267
01:27:22,159 --> 01:27:23,760
>> if you say yes, then we can move

2268
01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:25,920
forward. and we're kind of waiting.

2269
01:27:25,920 --> 01:27:27,520
We've already started the training.

2270
01:27:27,520 --> 01:27:28,960
We've already started making sure that

2271
01:27:28,960 --> 01:27:30,560
we're setting up in order to be

2272
01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:32,639
successful in this. So, really, it's

2273
01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:35,280
just a a green light from you guys.

2274
01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:36,719
>> Okay. And then the other question has to

2275
01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:39,280
do with I I was surprised to learn from

2276
01:27:39,280 --> 01:27:42,560
you last week that the Goo family

2277
01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:45,199
basically gave that property to the

2278
01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:46,800
nonprofit, which is great. The goose,

2279
01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:47,600
that's it is

2280
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:49,280
>> wonderful for them to provide that.

2281
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:51,679
>> We're very grateful. Um, but it was a

2282
01:27:51,679 --> 01:27:54,639
surprise to me because uh we work so

2283
01:27:54,639 --> 01:27:57,600
hard to try and make the orchard as safe

2284
01:27:57,600 --> 01:28:00,159
as possible. And I want I just want to

2285
01:28:00,159 --> 01:28:02,400
make sure that these expanded services

2286
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,480
that the library is offering isn't going

2287
01:28:04,480 --> 01:28:06,159
to increase traffic to the point that

2288
01:28:06,159 --> 01:28:09,600
it's no longer we this is going to be

2289
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:11,040
our first year understanding how well

2290
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:12,960
that property that that new parking lot

2291
01:28:12,960 --> 01:28:13,360
works.

2292
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:13,679
>> Yes.

2293
01:28:13,679 --> 01:28:15,360
>> It wasn't really in operation until

2294
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,600
August or I believe so or at the end of

2295
01:28:17,600 --> 01:28:18,080
their season.

2296
01:28:18,080 --> 01:28:19,600
>> Late summer. Yeah. So, we're still have

2297
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:20,960
it's going to be a test period to see

2298
01:28:20,960 --> 01:28:23,040
how it's working, but just want to make

2299
01:28:23,040 --> 01:28:25,360
sure that this added

2300
01:28:25,360 --> 01:28:27,679
traffic to the library location isn't

2301
01:28:27,679 --> 01:28:30,560
going to create a safety concern when

2302
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:33,360
it's running at the same time as the as

2303
01:28:33,360 --> 01:28:36,239
the um the orchard. So, right now, your

2304
01:28:36,239 --> 01:28:38,719
website shows hours until 5:00 PM on

2305
01:28:38,719 --> 01:28:41,520
most days and classes on the days you're

2306
01:28:41,520 --> 01:28:42,800
closed as well.

2307
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:44,719
>> So, I assume your your website will

2308
01:28:44,719 --> 01:28:46,960
change on July 1st showing the new

2309
01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:47,679
hours.

2310
01:28:47,679 --> 01:28:50,639
>> Yes. So currently the hours that we are

2311
01:28:50,639 --> 01:28:53,199
currently operating still fit within our

2312
01:28:53,199 --> 01:28:56,239
permit hours. So the hours outlined in

2313
01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:58,480
our conditional use permit and we can

2314
01:28:58,480 --> 01:29:00,159
send a copy of that to you if you'd like

2315
01:29:00,159 --> 01:29:01,040
to review it.

2316
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:02,719
>> Yeah, I asked Heidi to have that ready

2317
01:29:02,719 --> 01:29:04,960
for today, but if I can review it later.

2318
01:29:04,960 --> 01:29:06,239
We don't need to bring it up now unless

2319
01:29:06,239 --> 01:29:07,679
>> Yeah, we can I can send it to you. But

2320
01:29:07,679 --> 01:29:12,880
>> but you mentioned earlier that when the orchard is operating then

2321
01:29:12,880 --> 01:29:14,960
you're restricting your hours until Is

2322
01:29:14,960 --> 01:29:17,440
that the conditional use condition? Yes,

2323
01:29:17,440 --> 01:29:19,760
it is part of our permit. And also, so

2324
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,440
for example, right now we offer some

2325
01:29:21,440 --> 01:29:23,600
Saturday classes. During orchard season,

2326
01:29:23,600 --> 01:29:25,760
we would not offer anything on Saturday.

2327
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,320
>> No, no operational hours or any other

2328
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:30,639
>> nothing like absolutely nothing on

2329
01:29:30,639 --> 01:29:31,280
Saturdays.

2330
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:32,719
>> And the language classes or the other

2331
01:29:32,719 --> 01:29:34,719
classes in the evening or

2332
01:29:34,719 --> 01:29:36,320
>> I think those are kind of based on

2333
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:38,880
demand. And so like we have people sign

2334
01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:40,320
up for those things. That's how we

2335
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:42,719
control how many patrons are coming is

2336
01:29:42,719 --> 01:29:44,719
they're all registration required kind

2337
01:29:44,719 --> 01:29:46,480
of thing. And we haven't found that

2338
01:29:46,480 --> 01:29:49,120
we've exceeded, you know, beyond what

2339
01:29:49,120 --> 01:29:51,679
would be reasonable for the parking lot

2340
01:29:51,679 --> 01:29:54,480
to manage, especially in the offse. But

2341
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:57,520
during the on uh the orchard season, how

2342
01:29:57,520 --> 01:30:00,159
that would look is if it becomes that

2343
01:30:00,159 --> 01:30:03,840
we're a problem, we close. So that

2344
01:30:03,840 --> 01:30:06,560
wording is in our permit that should the

2345
01:30:06,560 --> 01:30:09,120
parking lot be full and we're taking up

2346
01:30:09,120 --> 01:30:11,600
too many spots, um then we would

2347
01:30:11,600 --> 01:30:12,880
actually close down. And

2348
01:30:12,880 --> 01:30:15,440
>> so that would be before 3:00. At 3:00

2349
01:30:15,440 --> 01:30:17,600
under the permit, you are

2350
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:20,159
>> on Fridays and on Monday through

2351
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:21,840
Thursday it is till 5:00 pm.

2352
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:22,560
>> Until 5.

2353
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:22,880
>> Yes.

2354
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:24,480
>> So I I wish I would I was gone for the

2355
01:30:24,480 --> 01:30:25,760
last week out of town and I was trying

2356
01:30:25,760 --> 01:30:26,480
to

2357
01:30:26,480 --> 01:30:27,760
>> prepare. That's why I asked to have a

2358
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:28,239
copy.

2359
01:30:28,239 --> 01:30:30,320
>> We'll send that over to you ASAP. So you

2360
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:31,199
can review that.

2361
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:33,440
>> So who who will be in charge of making

2362
01:30:33,440 --> 01:30:35,440
that decision if if it gets too crowded

2363
01:30:35,440 --> 01:30:37,760
and people are starting to park up on

2364
01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:39,199
further up on Baitman and things like

2365
01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:41,040
that? Who who's monitoring that? Who

2366
01:30:41,040 --> 01:30:42,880
will make that decision? So what happens

2367
01:30:42,880 --> 01:30:45,679
up on Baitman is more of the orchard's

2368
01:30:45,679 --> 01:30:48,320
responsibility. Um and we don't have a

2369
01:30:48,320 --> 01:30:50,159
control over how they run their

2370
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:52,480
business, right? We have a unique

2371
01:30:52,480 --> 01:30:54,400
easement on our parking. That's how it

2372
01:30:54,400 --> 01:30:56,880
is worded is that the orchard has an

2373
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,360
easement on the parking portion of our

2374
01:30:59,360 --> 01:31:02,080
property to use. So the baitment is kind

2375
01:31:02,080 --> 01:31:04,560
of out of our jurisdiction. However, if

2376
01:31:04,560 --> 01:31:07,280
the parking lot itself is full and we're

2377
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:10,080
observing, then the librarian in charge

2378
01:31:10,080 --> 01:31:12,080
would then and we have this written into

2379
01:31:12,080 --> 01:31:14,960
our policies that we have all of our

2380
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:16,400
volunteers trained on. And there's

2381
01:31:16,400 --> 01:31:18,080
usually one of our board members is

2382
01:31:18,080 --> 01:31:20,719
there at the library kind of overseeing

2383
01:31:20,719 --> 01:31:22,560
things. We each have a kind of time that

2384
01:31:22,560 --> 01:31:26,080
we take and so it would kind of be up to

2385
01:31:26,080 --> 01:31:27,840
us and our observation but we have it

2386
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:29,679
built into our training that we are

2387
01:31:29,679 --> 01:31:31,120
supposed to kind of go out look at the

2388
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:33,520
parking situation see how it's going and

2389
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,840
make those kind of evaluations and we

2390
01:31:35,840 --> 01:31:37,199
could do it every 20 minutes we could do

2391
01:31:37,199 --> 01:31:41,040
it every 10 minutes our priority is to

2392
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:42,480
make sure that we're not causing a

2393
01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:44,639
problem so we really don't want to be

2394
01:31:44,639 --> 01:31:47,040
adding to the problem so

2395
01:31:47,040 --> 01:31:48,480
>> that's was one of the concerns of

2396
01:31:48,480 --> 01:31:51,040
residents when they found out that the

2397
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:53,280
property had been gifted to the library

2398
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:56,400
from the goose that now who's going to

2399
01:31:56,400 --> 01:31:57,920
monitor this because the whole reason I

2400
01:31:57,920 --> 01:32:00,880
mean not the whole reason a big part of

2401
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:02,320
the reason why the parking lot was

2402
01:32:02,320 --> 01:32:04,080
approved in the first place was to

2403
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:05,920
alleviate the parking and safety

2404
01:32:05,920 --> 01:32:08,239
concerns on Baitman and into the

2405
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:09,440
adjoining neighborhoods

2406
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:11,679
>> naturally. of the concerns as as Andrew

2407
01:32:11,679 --> 01:32:13,120
brought up and his residents have

2408
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:17,600
brought up to me is now what now I mean

2409
01:32:17,600 --> 01:32:19,760
yeah they might be full with with

2410
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,320
library patrons customers for the

2411
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,239
orchard and so now people are parking

2412
01:32:24,239 --> 01:32:26,960
back up into the into the residences

2413
01:32:26,960 --> 01:32:28,719
area and they're just concerned about

2414
01:32:28,719 --> 01:32:29,679
that

2415
01:32:29,679 --> 01:32:31,199
>> right and we could start to look at

2416
01:32:31,199 --> 01:32:32,800
things like let's say there's more than

2417
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:35,040
five people in the library at a given

2418
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:36,960
time you know we're going to look at is

2419
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:39,520
this a family of you know four kids that

2420
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:41,679
had one car and there's one librarian. I

2421
01:32:41,679 --> 01:32:43,120
know we've talked as a board like I'm

2422
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:44,880
going to ride my bike in the summer so

2423
01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:46,639
there isn't a car space taken up. Like

2424
01:32:46,639 --> 01:32:48,560
we can do things like that. We can we've

2425
01:32:48,560 --> 01:32:50,159
talked about creating programs like walk

2426
01:32:50,159 --> 01:32:52,880
to the library day and all those kinds

2427
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:55,199
of things. We we're supportive of tra um

2428
01:32:55,199 --> 01:32:56,800
traffic calming measures that Andrew has

2429
01:32:56,800 --> 01:32:58,880
tried to bring up. So, we're going to

2430
01:32:58,880 --> 01:33:00,639
participate in all of these things to

2431
01:33:00,639 --> 01:33:02,880
help alleviate these problems and

2432
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:06,239
provide solutions, not just, you know,

2433
01:33:06,239 --> 01:33:08,400
we don't like this. We know that, but

2434
01:33:08,400 --> 01:33:10,639
let's get creative about solving these

2435
01:33:10,639 --> 01:33:12,480
issues because we like the orchard, we

2436
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:14,320
like the library. How can we solve these

2437
01:33:14,320 --> 01:33:16,560
issues to make this a possibility and

2438
01:33:16,560 --> 01:33:17,600
not a problem?

2439
01:33:17,600 --> 01:33:18,880
>> Great. Thanks. Hey,

2440
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,199
>> and I'm sure we'll hear if if it ends up

2441
01:33:21,199 --> 01:33:23,840
being an issue. I am sure we will.

2442
01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:25,840
>> We'll be we'll be flexible and try and

2443
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:27,760
work work together to figure it out. But

2444
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:30,080
>> and I want them to like let's talk about

2445
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:31,760
this. Let's be neighbors, right? Let's

2446
01:33:31,760 --> 01:33:33,199
have conversations

2447
01:33:33,199 --> 01:33:34,320
>> and um and work.

2448
01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:35,920
>> I really like I really do like that

2449
01:33:35,920 --> 01:33:37,760
you're identifying something that will

2450
01:33:37,760 --> 01:33:39,679
improve the situation for Alpine with

2451
01:33:39,679 --> 01:33:43,199
greater access, more time while not

2452
01:33:43,199 --> 01:33:44,880
losing any access for anyone who wants

2453
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:45,679
the bookmobile.

2454
01:33:45,679 --> 01:33:46,400
>> Yes.

2455
01:33:46,400 --> 01:33:48,320
>> Our my family is a big library user. My

2456
01:33:48,320 --> 01:33:50,639
wife is one of those 4%. Um,

2457
01:33:50,639 --> 01:33:53,520
>> thank you, Allison.

2458
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:55,840
>> All right, any other questions? Um, just

2459
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:58,000
a question for Shane. What were we going

2460
01:33:58,000 --> 01:34:00,320
to do if the house that didn't that's

2461
01:34:00,320 --> 01:34:02,719
the library now had a family living in

2462
01:34:02,719 --> 01:34:06,480
it? Were we going to monitor parking for

2463
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:09,840
residential use?

2464
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:11,679
>> That's my recollection. And Ryan's

2465
01:34:11,679 --> 01:34:13,920
actually online. He might be able to

2466
01:34:13,920 --> 01:34:15,600
address that better than me because he

2467
01:34:15,600 --> 01:34:17,440
was at the planning commission meetings

2468
01:34:17,440 --> 01:34:21,120
where that was discussed, but that that

2469
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:23,360
was my I know we brought that issue up.

2470
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,920
>> Okay. So, that was also addressed as a

2471
01:34:25,920 --> 01:34:27,199
private residence.

2472
01:34:27,199 --> 01:34:27,600
>> Yeah.

2473
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:27,920
>> Okay.

2474
01:34:27,920 --> 01:34:28,480
>> Yes.

2475
01:34:28,480 --> 01:34:30,239
>> Just curious and thinking about parking

2476
01:34:30,239 --> 01:34:31,280
and new bike riding.

2477
01:34:31,280 --> 01:34:31,520
>> Yes.

2478
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:32,400
>> I like that idea.

2479
01:34:32,400 --> 01:34:34,400
>> Well, my little pedals, you know.

2480
01:34:34,400 --> 01:34:37,679
>> Yeah. So, um you know, as I I really

2481
01:34:37,679 --> 01:34:39,199
appreciate all the work you all are

2482
01:34:39,199 --> 01:34:42,639
doing and creating this community asset.

2483
01:34:42,639 --> 01:34:45,120
I think maybe as many people as Andrew

2484
01:34:45,120 --> 01:34:48,239
talks to that are unhappy. I I talked to

2485
01:34:48,239 --> 01:34:50,239
many that are very very happy and and

2486
01:34:50,239 --> 01:34:51,840
couldn't be more ecstatic like you said

2487
01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:55,679
really um if you read our history this

2488
01:34:55,679 --> 01:34:58,719
building had a a library in it. So the

2489
01:34:58,719 --> 01:35:00,800
fact that we have this library again is

2490
01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:03,760
really phenomenal as we work hard to

2491
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:06,239
preserve Alpine history. A couple of

2492
01:35:06,239 --> 01:35:08,400
things. So, what I'm understanding is

2493
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:09,760
we're just talking about taking the

2494
01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:12,400
exact same dollars and putting it

2495
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:16,719
towards the library. You know, we've heard many times we, you know, we

2496
01:35:16,719 --> 01:35:18,560
don't have a big retail sales tax base

2497
01:35:18,560 --> 01:35:20,480
and we really do stretch our dollar here

2498
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:23,520
in Alpine when I see we're getting, you

2499
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:27,040
know, I think is it $84 versus or

2500
01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:28,480
>> 87 versus 11.

2501
01:35:28,480 --> 01:35:30,320
>> Yeah. I mean, I I think we can check

2502
01:35:30,320 --> 01:35:32,560
that box that we are really getting a

2503
01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:37,600
value um for that same 13,596.

2504
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,000
Um I've been spending a lot of time in

2505
01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:43,280
our general plan. For those of you that

2506
01:35:43,280 --> 01:35:45,040
may or may not know, every city has a

2507
01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:46,639
general plan. It's a governing document

2508
01:35:46,639 --> 01:35:49,360
or guiding document um that we can

2509
01:35:49,360 --> 01:35:51,920
really lean to as we look to make these

2510
01:35:51,920 --> 01:35:53,679
really difficult decisions for a

2511
01:35:53,679 --> 01:35:57,040
community that oftentimes isn't aligned.

2512
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,679
In our very first mission statement of

2513
01:35:59,679 --> 01:36:01,280
our general plan, it says it's to

2514
01:36:01,280 --> 01:36:04,000
provide a strong positive civic image

2515
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:06,560
and quality of life in Alpine. I

2516
01:36:06,560 --> 01:36:09,600
definitely see that this library and and

2517
01:36:09,600 --> 01:36:11,760
reallocating these funds. Check that

2518
01:36:11,760 --> 01:36:14,480
box. Another um this is interesting.

2519
01:36:14,480 --> 01:36:16,320
It's in our land use section of our

2520
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:20,159
general plan. Um but you would wonder,

2521
01:36:20,159 --> 01:36:22,159
well, how does a library fit within our

2522
01:36:22,159 --> 01:36:24,960
land use? We actually have a policy that

2523
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:28,080
says encourage, develop, and or maintain

2524
01:36:28,080 --> 01:36:31,199
venues that enhance a sense of community

2525
01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:33,440
and provide residents an opportunity to

2526
01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:36,320
congregate, including public gathering

2527
01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:39,520
spaces. So, you know, thank you for

2528
01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:41,360
expanding that. It's great that you

2529
01:36:41,360 --> 01:36:43,760
remember the bookmobile, but I love that

2530
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:47,119
we've now are looking at broadening that

2531
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:49,840
footprint to again align with our

2532
01:36:49,840 --> 01:36:52,880
general plan. And then lastly,

2533
01:36:52,880 --> 01:36:54,800
um

2534
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:56,960
we have a section in our general plan

2535
01:36:56,960 --> 01:36:58,880
under community engagement. And those

2536
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:01,280
policies read, "Encourage resident

2537
01:37:01,280 --> 01:37:03,040
committees to create community

2538
01:37:03,040 --> 01:37:05,840
engagement. Plan support and conduct

2539
01:37:05,840 --> 01:37:07,840
public gatherings to strengthen resident

2540
01:37:07,840 --> 01:37:10,800
social connections, promote interactive

2541
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:12,560
and transparent communication through

2542
01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:16,239
online and printed mediums." So again,

2543
01:37:16,239 --> 01:37:19,040
thank you for for aligning with our

2544
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:22,960
general plan. And I think you guys will

2545
01:37:22,960 --> 01:37:26,560
work hard to make sure that the drama is

2546
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:29,360
kind of is moved beyond because really

2547
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:32,320
all the goodness that you're bringing um

2548
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:34,639
I believe you'll be able to outweigh

2549
01:37:34,639 --> 01:37:36,719
some of those issues. So thank you.

2550
01:37:36,719 --> 01:37:38,080
>> I hope so. Thank you Jessica.

2551
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:39,840
>> Thank you Jessica. Do you have any

2552
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:41,199
>> um thanks for being here on your

2553
01:37:41,199 --> 01:37:42,080
birthday.

2554
01:37:42,080 --> 01:37:43,040
>> You're welcome.

2555
01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:44,400
>> I don't know very many people who would

2556
01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,080
choose to come here on their birthday.

2557
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:47,199
So good job.

2558
01:37:47,199 --> 01:37:50,639
>> Budget decisions are looming. So,

2559
01:37:50,639 --> 01:37:52,560
um, the pros that I see are just

2560
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:56,080
material access, physical accessibility,

2561
01:37:56,080 --> 01:37:59,679
and that it stays local. And so, I I see

2562
01:37:59,679 --> 01:38:03,520
a lot of pros. Um, although I am one of

2563
01:38:03,520 --> 01:38:06,239
the petitioners, I love just making sure

2564
01:38:06,239 --> 01:38:08,880
that I have all the facts. So,

2565
01:38:08,880 --> 01:38:10,880
currently, do you guys are you in

2566
01:38:10,880 --> 01:38:12,480
compliance with your conditional use

2567
01:38:12,480 --> 01:38:13,360
permit?

2568
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:16,560
>> Yes. Okay, perfect. because I know that

2569
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:20,239
there was one question about access

2570
01:38:20,239 --> 01:38:23,600
enter exit should be off alpine highway

2571
01:38:23,600 --> 01:38:26,080
is that so the wording in our

2572
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:28,000
conditional use permit is that we should

2573
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:31,840
regrade that secondary egress so when

2574
01:38:31,840 --> 01:38:34,880
possible and so that decision was made

2575
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:36,480
at the permit meeting which was in

2576
01:38:36,480 --> 01:38:38,639
November and then it was winter and we

2577
01:38:38,639 --> 01:38:40,880
were anticipating that we would have a

2578
01:38:40,880 --> 01:38:43,760
real winter and so we blocked that off

2579
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:46,080
um to not be able to use that. And now

2580
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:48,080
that we have learned that there's not

2581
01:38:48,080 --> 01:38:49,840
going to be a winter, we feel that we

2582
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:52,880
are able to regrade that and we're

2583
01:38:52,880 --> 01:38:54,719
working on a plan right now. We have the

2584
01:38:54,719 --> 01:38:57,760
surveys done on the property itself. We

2585
01:38:57,760 --> 01:38:59,600
have a team of people who have been

2586
01:38:59,600 --> 01:39:01,920
willing to volunteer their time, a

2587
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:03,679
landscape architect and a landscape

2588
01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:07,119
designer to regrade that. Um, it's just

2589
01:39:07,119 --> 01:39:09,679
going to cost money, which as a

2590
01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:13,360
nonprofit is, you know, very precious.

2591
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:15,040
And so it's just going to take some

2592
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:17,280
time, but we feel that we're in

2593
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:19,520
compliance because we have plans. We're

2594
01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:21,440
working on it and it's currently not in

2595
01:39:21,440 --> 01:39:25,520
use. And our goal is to make sure that is ready for orchard season. So

2596
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:28,639
that creates a a nice flow for orchard

2597
01:39:28,639 --> 01:39:29,520
traffic.

2598
01:39:29,520 --> 01:39:33,360
>> Great. And is that um the Alpine Highway

2599
01:39:33,360 --> 01:39:35,520
access, is that considered in your

2600
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:37,679
permit a secondary access? So, is the

2601
01:39:37,679 --> 01:39:39,199
primary access supposed to be off

2602
01:39:39,199 --> 01:39:40,880
Baitman Lane or

2603
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,440
>> So, our permit never specified primary

2604
01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:44,960
versus secondary.

2605
01:39:44,960 --> 01:39:46,719
>> Okay.

2606
01:39:46,719 --> 01:39:49,119
Um, I've just gotten some feedback that

2607
01:39:49,119 --> 01:39:51,360
they would prefer to have the traffic

2608
01:39:51,360 --> 01:39:53,440
entering in from Alpine Highway. You're

2609
01:39:53,440 --> 01:39:54,719
probably already aware of that. Anyway,

2610
01:39:54,719 --> 01:39:55,840
just thought I'd pass that along.

2611
01:39:55,840 --> 01:39:58,159
>> I've heard that that um the neighbors

2612
01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:00,400
preferred it. However, that was not

2613
01:40:00,400 --> 01:40:02,320
addressed in the planning commission

2614
01:40:02,320 --> 01:40:03,840
meeting or in our permit.

2615
01:40:03,840 --> 01:40:07,520
>> Okay. And uh we talked about kind of

2616
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:10,880
egress and what how that would flow and

2617
01:40:10,880 --> 01:40:13,360
I don't know that it really makes a

2618
01:40:13,360 --> 01:40:16,800
difference in where people go in or out.

2619
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:19,280
Um and again I want to make it clear

2620
01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:22,159
that while we share a parking lot with

2621
01:40:22,159 --> 01:40:24,800
the orchard, we do not have any say on

2622
01:40:24,800 --> 01:40:27,119
how they run their business.

2623
01:40:27,119 --> 01:40:30,000
>> So we don't want to inherit the

2624
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,560
complaints that come because of that.

2625
01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:34,400
We're super grateful for this property.

2626
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:35,920
We could have never done what we've done

2627
01:40:35,920 --> 01:40:38,880
without this gift and we are going to

2628
01:40:38,880 --> 01:40:40,480
try to do our part to make sure we're

2629
01:40:40,480 --> 01:40:42,080
not contributing and adding to the

2630
01:40:42,080 --> 01:40:43,119
problem,

2631
01:40:43,119 --> 01:40:45,679
>> but um there's limited control on our

2632
01:40:45,679 --> 01:40:47,600
part on how that goes.

2633
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,480
>> Okay. Thanks. And are you currently ADA

2634
01:40:50,480 --> 01:40:52,880
compliant or working towards I know

2635
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:54,719
you're a nonprofit and that takes funds

2636
01:40:54,719 --> 01:40:57,119
to be able to pour cement for a ramp.

2637
01:40:57,119 --> 01:40:58,560
That's very expensive. So,

2638
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:02,560
>> correct. So, we have a temporary um ex

2639
01:41:02,560 --> 01:41:06,239
access ramp um that allows the ADA

2640
01:41:06,239 --> 01:41:09,679
access and the permit specifies that we

2641
01:41:09,679 --> 01:41:14,159
are to be ADA accessible when possible.

2642
01:41:14,159 --> 01:41:17,360
So, we are kind of we were grateful for

2643
01:41:17,360 --> 01:41:20,159
that generosity and that clause that we

2644
01:41:20,159 --> 01:41:22,400
kind of have time to raise the money.

2645
01:41:22,400 --> 01:41:25,360
Um, we're working on kind of compacting

2646
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:28,639
the gravel portion of our access. So, we

2647
01:41:28,639 --> 01:41:30,960
have a kind of a wood ramp up the front,

2648
01:41:30,960 --> 01:41:33,199
a gravel path, and then it turns to

2649
01:41:33,199 --> 01:41:34,719
cement and then another ramp up through

2650
01:41:34,719 --> 01:41:38,000
the back door. Um, so you can get in and

2651
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:40,480
wheelchair strollers, walkers. We have

2652
01:41:40,480 --> 01:41:44,080
had patrons come up using those and um,

2653
01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:46,000
so we're it's going well so far and we

2654
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:47,840
are going to continue to improve it. We

2655
01:41:47,840 --> 01:41:50,080
want that to be an ideal situation.

2656
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:52,000
>> Thanks. And the reason I was asking, and

2657
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:53,199
you're already aware of this because we

2658
01:41:53,199 --> 01:41:56,080
talked about this, but um River Meadows

2659
01:41:56,080 --> 01:41:59,119
uses the books Bookmo. Um talking with

2660
01:41:59,119 --> 01:42:00,880
them, currently only about two of their

2661
01:42:00,880 --> 01:42:02,719
patrons use it, but they would love to

2662
01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:05,199
come to and do an outing and they could

2663
01:42:05,199 --> 01:42:07,679
bust them over. However, almost all of

2664
01:42:07,679 --> 01:42:08,880
them use walkers.

2665
01:42:08,880 --> 01:42:12,000
>> Correct. So, um, they felt like it would

2666
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:14,320
be very challenging for their patrons to

2667
01:42:14,320 --> 01:42:16,400
actually go inside the building and that

2668
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:20,400
they would have to just utilize like the

2669
01:42:20,400 --> 01:42:21,119
curbside

2670
01:42:21,119 --> 01:42:23,199
>> curbside or the or the mobile catalog,

2671
01:42:23,199 --> 01:42:23,520
right?

2672
01:42:23,520 --> 01:42:25,520
>> Yes. So, I actually talked to Josh and

2673
01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:27,920
Paula about this today and said like,

2674
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,719
"Hey, we're this is still in progress.

2675
01:42:30,719 --> 01:42:32,719
um we use volunteers and so it just

2676
01:42:32,719 --> 01:42:34,960
takes time and so we still need to

2677
01:42:34,960 --> 01:42:36,320
compact and then actually use a

2678
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:39,119
landscapecape glue to kind of firm up

2679
01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:41,199
that surface and if that doesn't work

2680
01:42:41,199 --> 01:42:43,280
then we go to the next step so we

2681
01:42:43,280 --> 01:42:44,960
definitely want to make it accessible.

2682
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:46,800
Perfect. And then I guess along those

2683
01:42:46,800 --> 01:42:48,960
same lines, my question probably is for

2684
01:42:48,960 --> 01:42:51,840
Steve Doxy is, you know, if we're using

2685
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:55,679
city funds for this um library and say

2686
01:42:55,679 --> 01:42:58,320
someone gets injured or hurt, what's our

2687
01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:02,070
liability?

2688
01:43:02,080 --> 01:43:03,920
» That's one of the issues I'd like to see

2689
01:43:03,920 --> 01:43:04,800
addressed.

2690
01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:07,520
>> Okay. So, if you're talking about having

2691
01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:11,040
a memorandum of agreement ready for next

2692
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:14,000
council meeting to be voted upon, we

2693
01:43:14,000 --> 01:43:16,239
need to see a draft sooner than later.

2694
01:43:16,239 --> 01:43:20,719
>> Okay. Um and then sorry I thank you for

2695
01:43:20,719 --> 01:43:22,320
that.

2696
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:28,000
Um my only other concern is um you know

2697
01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:29,920
if if we are putting funds to this

2698
01:43:29,920 --> 01:43:32,320
library does it become a city affiliated

2699
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:38,080
library and if so I've just um in our

2700
01:43:38,080 --> 01:43:40,239
conversations and one that I had with

2701
01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:43,440
Jen Wadsworth was that the end goal is

2702
01:43:43,440 --> 01:43:46,239
to become a state certified library

2703
01:43:46,239 --> 01:43:48,400
which would require the city to be

2704
01:43:48,400 --> 01:43:50,320
paying for a full-time librarian and

2705
01:43:50,320 --> 01:43:56,480
that is do I still understand that your the end goal is to become that?

2706
01:43:56,480 --> 01:44:01,040
>> Yes, it is the end goal because of the

2707
01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:03,040
options that it would open up to us. So,

2708
01:44:03,040 --> 01:44:05,040
if you think about it as a ladder, you

2709
01:44:05,040 --> 01:44:07,360
know, we're nonprofit volunteer down

2710
01:44:07,360 --> 01:44:09,679
here, donor based, our next step is what

2711
01:44:09,679 --> 01:44:11,600
we're proposing tonight. And I would

2712
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:14,320
probably say five more rungs up is that

2713
01:44:14,320 --> 01:44:16,719
state certification and that it would

2714
01:44:16,719 --> 01:44:18,719
involve a full-time employee or a

2715
01:44:18,719 --> 01:44:20,719
full-time equivalent. So it could be

2716
01:44:20,719 --> 01:44:23,440
someone who lives there or there's lots

2717
01:44:23,440 --> 01:44:25,760
of flexibility in that and also the city

2718
01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:28,960
would pay a portion of the budget but we

2719
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:32,159
are not um I couldn't tell you

2720
01:44:32,159 --> 01:44:33,760
definitively what the timing on that

2721
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:34,800
would be

2722
01:44:34,800 --> 01:44:37,600
>> but we feel that we can operate with

2723
01:44:37,600 --> 01:44:40,400
this current proposal for a long time

2724
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:42,400
happily and be able to provide the

2725
01:44:42,400 --> 01:44:45,040
residents with what they want. So, while

2726
01:44:45,040 --> 01:44:46,639
we are going to work towards meeting

2727
01:44:46,639 --> 01:44:49,199
those certifications because we feel if

2728
01:44:49,199 --> 01:44:50,480
you're doing it, you might as well do it

2729
01:44:50,480 --> 01:44:53,360
right. Um, the timing on what that would

2730
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:55,679
look like, I couldn't tell you. And it

2731
01:44:55,679 --> 01:44:57,760
would just depend on what the residents

2732
01:44:57,760 --> 01:44:59,920
want. Do they want more services? Can we

2733
01:44:59,920 --> 01:45:03,199
not meet those? It will be driven by

2734
01:45:03,199 --> 01:45:04,719
Alpine. So

2735
01:45:04,719 --> 01:45:07,920
>> yeah, I'm just thinking about um Martha

2736
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:10,239
Beck who made her comment about property

2737
01:45:10,239 --> 01:45:13,199
taxes and even Steven Jolly, you know,

2738
01:45:13,199 --> 01:45:15,679
is this putting the nose of the camel

2739
01:45:15,679 --> 01:45:18,080
inside the tent that eventually I that's

2740
01:45:18,080 --> 01:45:20,400
just my biggest concern is because in

2741
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:22,159
Vineyard it started out as a volunteer

2742
01:45:22,159 --> 01:45:24,239
library and now they're expending over

2743
01:45:24,239 --> 01:45:27,920
$121,000 a year for this volunteer

2744
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:30,960
library. So that is my biggest concern.

2745
01:45:30,960 --> 01:45:31,679
Um

2746
01:45:31,679 --> 01:45:33,600
>> did you say vineyard? vineyard. Sorry,

2747
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:34,320
what did I say?

2748
01:45:34,320 --> 01:45:35,760
>> No, that's what you said, but I was

2749
01:45:35,760 --> 01:45:36,400
wasn't

2750
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:38,400
>> Yeah, and I just I was going back

2751
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:39,920
through November 18th planning

2752
01:45:39,920 --> 01:45:42,159
commission where you talked about the

2753
01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:45,040
conditional use permit. And I will say

2754
01:45:45,040 --> 01:45:46,480
when you guys were talking about in

2755
01:45:46,480 --> 01:45:49,040
reference to fundraising, Jen did say we

2756
01:45:49,040 --> 01:45:51,440
are not asking the city to contribute to

2757
01:45:51,440 --> 01:45:54,800
the library. So, I'm just I just want to

2758
01:45:54,800 --> 01:45:55,840
be clear,

2759
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:57,280
>> what's the expectation?

2760
01:45:57,280 --> 01:45:59,920
>> Yes. like and I know that this will be

2761
01:45:59,920 --> 01:46:02,639
reviewed on a yearly basis and there's

2762
01:46:02,639 --> 01:46:05,520
always a ability for the city to say you

2763
01:46:05,520 --> 01:46:07,360
know what this isn't working correct.

2764
01:46:07,360 --> 01:46:09,840
>> I just want to be fully transparent and

2765
01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:11,520
make sure that

2766
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:13,600
>> you know we're not going to be tied to

2767
01:46:13,600 --> 01:46:16,159
something that down the road we're you

2768
01:46:16,159 --> 01:46:18,960
know asking residents to pay more in

2769
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:21,600
taxes so that we can fund this. I think

2770
01:46:21,600 --> 01:46:24,320
that's a good question and I think it um

2771
01:46:24,320 --> 01:46:26,560
encapsulates probably a lot of worry and

2772
01:46:26,560 --> 01:46:28,400
concern that a lot of residents have.

2773
01:46:28,400 --> 01:46:29,840
So, I'm glad you're asking it and I'm

2774
01:46:29,840 --> 01:46:32,159
glad this is on public record. The

2775
01:46:32,159 --> 01:46:35,760
answer is I don't know because I don't

2776
01:46:35,760 --> 01:46:39,600
have a crystal ball and but I will say

2777
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:42,960
that um I will reiterate that I feel

2778
01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:45,600
that we can offer the residents what

2779
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:48,320
they are demanding currently with this

2780
01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:51,679
proposal. And I feel that and our board

2781
01:46:51,679 --> 01:46:55,840
feels this way that with um those if we

2782
01:46:55,840 --> 01:46:58,000
did come asking for money that's a

2783
01:46:58,000 --> 01:47:00,880
different ask it would be separate from

2784
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:03,360
this memorandum of agreement right this

2785
01:47:03,360 --> 01:47:05,199
memorandum of agreement will stay in

2786
01:47:05,199 --> 01:47:07,520
this sphere and should we get to the

2787
01:47:07,520 --> 01:47:10,639
point down the road um that we are

2788
01:47:10,639 --> 01:47:13,760
looking for an increase in funds like a

2789
01:47:13,760 --> 01:47:15,920
drastic increase that would really have

2790
01:47:15,920 --> 01:47:18,960
a big impact on the residents I think

2791
01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:20,800
that would come with a lot of

2792
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:23,920
forewarning. And so I just feel like

2793
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:25,760
it's not going to sneak up on anyone and

2794
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:28,080
it's not going to be a surprise to

2795
01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:30,239
anyone at that point. It's going to come

2796
01:47:30,239 --> 01:47:33,920
as a obvious next step. And I think

2797
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:36,960
there are so many um benchmarks that we

2798
01:47:36,960 --> 01:47:38,880
have to meet before we even get to that

2799
01:47:38,880 --> 01:47:41,119
point that in my mind I can't really

2800
01:47:41,119 --> 01:47:42,639
fathom

2801
01:47:42,639 --> 01:47:46,639
that at this point um because it seems

2802
01:47:46,639 --> 01:47:48,800
so I just it seems so far out of reach.

2803
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:50,880
So, I hope that helps. I don't want to

2804
01:47:50,880 --> 01:47:52,560
say we're never going to come ask you

2805
01:47:52,560 --> 01:47:55,520
for more because if the residents want

2806
01:47:55,520 --> 01:47:57,679
it, then I we will come to you and ask

2807
01:47:57,679 --> 01:47:59,920
for more if we feel that that there's a

2808
01:47:59,920 --> 01:48:03,920
demand for it. Um, so I I'm not sure.

2809
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:06,320
However, you have a different pool of

2810
01:48:06,320 --> 01:48:08,800
money as you reimburse the Highland

2811
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:10,960
library cards that then we could

2812
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:14,800
discuss. And I I feel that it would not

2813
01:48:14,800 --> 01:48:17,760
be responsible of us to create

2814
01:48:17,760 --> 01:48:20,719
additional financial demand on the city

2815
01:48:20,719 --> 01:48:22,800
because as residents, we all feel it as

2816
01:48:22,800 --> 01:48:24,639
well. You know, we're all in the same

2817
01:48:24,639 --> 01:48:26,639
boat here. So, I think there's an

2818
01:48:26,639 --> 01:48:28,480
investment on our part in making sure

2819
01:48:28,480 --> 01:48:30,560
that this doesn't create more

2820
01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:33,199
expenditure and something irresponsible

2821
01:48:33,199 --> 01:48:36,000
that isn't needed. So, that's my goal, I

2822
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:37,520
think, and our goal. I shouldn't say

2823
01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:40,560
just mine, but I appreciate that and I

2824
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:42,159
appreciate all the time that you've

2825
01:48:42,159 --> 01:48:43,920
devoted to the city, not just with the

2826
01:48:43,920 --> 01:48:45,920
library. I know you've given countless

2827
01:48:45,920 --> 01:48:48,320
hours, so I really appreciate having

2828
01:48:48,320 --> 01:48:49,920
someone like you involved in our

2829
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:51,440
community. So, thanks, Bethany.

2830
01:48:51,440 --> 01:48:52,560
>> Thank you. Thank you very much. That's

2831
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:55,040
very kind of you to say. I thank you for

2832
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:57,280
covering all my topics so I can not have

2833
01:48:57,280 --> 01:49:01,119
to say much. Um I I I was curious where

2834
01:49:01,119 --> 01:49:03,440
you all stood because um as they said

2835
01:49:03,440 --> 01:49:06,000
they're on a tight timeline. So, if I

2836
01:49:06,000 --> 01:49:07,840
don't know, Carla, at the end, how we're

2837
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:09,840
going to facilitate whether we put this

2838
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:13,760
on um before we uh expend any city

2839
01:49:13,760 --> 01:49:16,719
resources to get our city attorney to

2840
01:49:16,719 --> 01:49:20,320
write or review um a memorandum of

2841
01:49:20,320 --> 01:49:22,080
understanding like we sort of need to

2842
01:49:22,080 --> 01:49:24,080
know if we have the votes. You know how

2843
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:26,639
that goes. So, I'm leaving that question

2844
01:49:26,639 --> 01:49:28,880
to you, but it's been brought up um that

2845
01:49:28,880 --> 01:49:31,360
we're on a timeline because of the

2846
01:49:31,360 --> 01:49:33,920
budgeting timeline that we're all aware

2847
01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:37,920
of. Um, I did really appreciate how the

2848
01:49:37,920 --> 01:49:39,360
accountability of how the money was

2849
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:40,719
going to be spent. If you guys don't

2850
01:49:40,719 --> 01:49:43,440
know, I am an accountant, so any numbers

2851
01:49:43,440 --> 01:49:46,000
always jump off the page. Um, we've

2852
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:47,360
talked about so many of the things on

2853
01:49:47,360 --> 01:49:49,520
the list. Um, one of the things at the

2854
01:49:49,520 --> 01:49:51,520
bottom was the facility improvement for

2855
01:49:51,520 --> 01:49:53,040
$2,000.

2856
01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:56,400
And having used the ADU ramp or the ADA

2857
01:49:56,400 --> 01:49:58,639
ramp myself, yeah, we need some work

2858
01:49:58,639 --> 01:50:02,239
there. And so I um appreciate I I think

2859
01:50:02,239 --> 01:50:04,400
that it would be uh money well served

2860
01:50:04,400 --> 01:50:06,480
because we do have I asked a resident

2861
01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:09,520
who uses the um bookmo frequently like

2862
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:11,040
what would they miss not having the

2863
01:50:11,040 --> 01:50:12,960
bookmobile and they said there's just a

2864
01:50:12,960 --> 01:50:15,280
lot of um people in the older

2865
01:50:15,280 --> 01:50:17,840
demographic even older than me who are

2866
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:19,760
there and right now the bookmobile is

2867
01:50:19,760 --> 01:50:21,840
actually not ADA compliant. You can't

2868
01:50:21,840 --> 01:50:25,760
get in it at all. So, um to make the

2869
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:28,960
library ADA compliant again expands the

2870
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:32,239
scope of services um because the step is

2871
01:50:32,239 --> 01:50:33,840
just too high into the li into the

2872
01:50:33,840 --> 01:50:39,520
bookmobile. Been to the bookmobile many many many times. Um I love that the

2873
01:50:39,520 --> 01:50:41,840
library um sometimes people outside of

2874
01:50:41,840 --> 01:50:43,840
Alpine, they have a different perception

2875
01:50:43,840 --> 01:50:46,800
of who we are, but as Jessica shared,

2876
01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:48,800
like those are our values and we like to

2877
01:50:48,800 --> 01:50:50,960
gather. Um, we had another long-term

2878
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:53,679
resident um, talk about um, Alpine

2879
01:50:53,679 --> 01:50:55,679
values and he brought up how we're very

2880
01:50:55,679 --> 01:50:58,719
self-reliant and we help each other. And

2881
01:50:58,719 --> 01:51:01,199
that's the story of the Alpine Library

2882
01:51:01,199 --> 01:51:03,760
that we like we just roll up our sleeves

2883
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:06,560
and we dig dirt and we like bind books

2884
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:08,639
and we take the old librarian that's not

2885
01:51:08,639 --> 01:51:10,880
working at the Alpine Elementary and we

2886
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:13,520
use her volunteer and her knowledge and

2887
01:51:13,520 --> 01:51:16,239
she has, you know, great knowledge and

2888
01:51:16,239 --> 01:51:18,239
skills and she's willing to give them to

2889
01:51:18,239 --> 01:51:20,480
the public. And that is who we Alpine

2890
01:51:20,480 --> 01:51:23,119
really is. It's not the if you're not

2891
01:51:23,119 --> 01:51:25,679
from Alpine, that's who we really are.

2892
01:51:25,679 --> 01:51:28,480
We we we lean in on each other. We help

2893
01:51:28,480 --> 01:51:31,440
each other with good things. And um when

2894
01:51:31,440 --> 01:51:34,080
I first moved to this area, I heard this

2895
01:51:34,080 --> 01:51:37,040
um adage and if you go visit the Alpine

2896
01:51:37,040 --> 01:51:38,719
Library, thank you for going, Brent,

2897
01:51:38,719 --> 01:51:42,080
they they they embody this entirely. Fix

2898
01:51:42,080 --> 01:51:46,159
it up, make it do or do without. There's a fourth thing, but I can't

2899
01:51:46,159 --> 01:51:47,840
remember what it was, but it's like you

2900
01:51:47,840 --> 01:51:50,880
don't just go out and do do fancy things

2901
01:51:50,880 --> 01:51:53,360
because they didn't have the resources.

2902
01:51:53,360 --> 01:51:54,719
So that's what you've done to that

2903
01:51:54,719 --> 01:51:56,480
little old house was you fixed it up.

2904
01:51:56,480 --> 01:51:58,880
you made it do and you do without in

2905
01:51:58,880 --> 01:52:01,440
many ways. And so I just um am very

2906
01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:04,080
inspired by this group of people. I am a

2907
01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:07,360
heavy user. Allison outdoes me for sure

2908
01:52:07,360 --> 01:52:10,159
as far as book usage, but um so I was

2909
01:52:10,159 --> 01:52:12,000
always a pro of the library. I just

2910
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:13,679
didn't know where we could find the

2911
01:52:13,679 --> 01:52:16,880
home. So again, due to the generosity of

2912
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:19,840
neighbors like that is who Alpine is.

2913
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:22,320
They see a need and they help meet it. I

2914
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:24,480
think we've addressed the concerns, the

2915
01:52:24,480 --> 01:52:26,080
same concerns you brought up. I've also

2916
01:52:26,080 --> 01:52:28,880
heard about the parking and it doesn't

2917
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:30,400
make any sense that you would want to

2918
01:52:30,400 --> 01:52:33,280
jeopardize your your neighbors business

2919
01:52:33,280 --> 01:52:35,280
because it's because of their generosity

2920
01:52:35,280 --> 01:52:37,920
that you have a library. So to me you're

2921
01:52:37,920 --> 01:52:39,520
going to tread very lightly and be

2922
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:41,280
respectful of that agreement

2923
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:43,599
>> very much. Um, so to me that was a

2924
01:52:43,599 --> 01:52:45,440
no-brainer, but I I it's good to hear it

2925
01:52:45,440 --> 01:52:48,320
in a public meeting that um the priority

2926
01:52:48,320 --> 01:52:50,800
is definitely for the parking cuz like

2927
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:53,040
we would not have that house, the

2928
01:52:53,040 --> 01:52:56,000
history of that house is it became what

2929
01:52:56,000 --> 01:52:58,080
it is because of the need at the

2930
01:52:58,080 --> 01:53:00,639
orchard. So we don't want to compromise

2931
01:53:00,639 --> 01:53:02,560
meeting that need. And so I really

2932
01:53:02,560 --> 01:53:05,119
appreciate you expressing that very well

2933
01:53:05,119 --> 01:53:05,760
tonight.

2934
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:06,159
>> Thank you.

2935
01:53:06,159 --> 01:53:08,000
>> I uh celebrated my birthday one month

2936
01:53:08,000 --> 01:53:10,639
ago here at this meeting. So

2937
01:53:10,639 --> 01:53:12,400
>> great minds. Yes. Well, I don't know

2938
01:53:12,400 --> 01:53:14,719
about great minds. Crazy ladies. Yeah,

2939
01:53:14,719 --> 01:53:16,320
crazy ladies. We just show up for

2940
01:53:16,320 --> 01:53:17,679
meetings on our birthday instead of

2941
01:53:17,679 --> 01:53:20,320
going to dinner. So, anyways, thank you

2942
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:22,239
for your work. Thank you, council, for

2943
01:53:22,239 --> 01:53:23,840
entertaining all of this. We've devoted

2944
01:53:23,840 --> 01:53:27,119
a ton of time to it. And so, I I give

2945
01:53:27,119 --> 01:53:29,119
the floor back to the mayor so we can

2946
01:53:29,119 --> 01:53:30,719
get some direction.

2947
01:53:30,719 --> 01:53:33,199
>> Thank you. I think what you do um you

2948
01:53:33,199 --> 01:53:35,119
know if the two are still you know

2949
01:53:35,119 --> 01:53:38,480
wanting to move forward then you know I

2950
01:53:38,480 --> 01:53:40,800
think you just give staff direction to

2951
01:53:40,800 --> 01:53:42,639
move forward. If you guys can come up

2952
01:53:42,639 --> 01:53:45,360
with a memorandum of understanding so

2953
01:53:45,360 --> 01:53:47,199
that if you can get it in so that Steve

2954
01:53:47,199 --> 01:53:49,360
can take a look at it. He usually comes

2955
01:53:49,360 --> 01:53:52,639
in on um the odd Tuesdays of every

2956
01:53:52,639 --> 01:53:53,119
month.

2957
01:53:53,119 --> 01:53:53,679
>> Okay.

2958
01:53:53,679 --> 01:53:56,080
>> So um if you can get in by next Tuesday.

2959
01:53:56,080 --> 01:53:57,679
>> Okay. We'll do our best. I know that the

2960
01:53:57,679 --> 01:53:59,599
state library division already has some

2961
01:53:59,599 --> 01:54:02,000
kind of basic things worked out. So I

2962
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:04,239
think we could try to do that. So

2963
01:54:04,239 --> 01:54:05,360
>> thank you for your time. Appreciate it.

2964
01:54:05,360 --> 01:54:07,599
>> Thank you guys very much. Appreciate it.

2965
01:54:07,599 --> 01:54:10,639
>> Okay, let's move on to item B. Proposed

2966
01:54:10,639 --> 01:54:12,639
code amendment to allow indoor self

2967
01:54:12,639 --> 01:54:18,000
storage units and condo luxury garages.

2968
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:19,840
See, I've been calling it luxury condo

2969
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:21,840
garages.

2970
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:25,360
>> That that could easily be changed.

2971
01:54:25,360 --> 01:54:27,679
So, mayor, I think Ryan's having some

2972
01:54:27,679 --> 01:54:31,040
difficulties on his end with Zoom, so I

2973
01:54:31,040 --> 01:54:32,560
have not been involved at all with this,

2974
01:54:32,560 --> 01:54:34,480
but I'll try to get through the staff

2975
01:54:34,480 --> 01:54:38,159
report that he prepared and um try to

2976
01:54:38,159 --> 01:54:39,440
cover this and then I know the

2977
01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:41,440
applicants here and and has some

2978
01:54:41,440 --> 01:54:44,000
information to present.

2979
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:46,719
So, an application has been submitted to

2980
01:54:46,719 --> 01:54:49,679
amend the city's development code in the

2981
01:54:49,679 --> 01:54:52,719
business commercial zone to allow indoor

2982
01:54:52,719 --> 01:54:54,880
self-s storage units and condo luxury

2983
01:54:54,880 --> 01:54:57,920
garages. Um, they do have a specific

2984
01:54:57,920 --> 01:55:01,360
location in mind. Um, it's on 200 North,

2985
01:55:01,360 --> 01:55:04,320
the former Purple Mattress property uh

2986
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:08,480
building there uh for this use. However,

2987
01:55:08,480 --> 01:55:12,719
if approved this uh by the city council

2988
01:55:12,719 --> 01:55:15,040
u based on the way this ordinance

2989
01:55:15,040 --> 01:55:17,199
proposed ordinance is written, um it

2990
01:55:17,199 --> 01:55:19,760
could allow other locations as well with

2991
01:55:19,760 --> 01:55:22,080
some limitations.

2992
01:55:22,080 --> 01:55:24,560
Um the applicant has worked with staff

2993
01:55:24,560 --> 01:55:27,760
to propose uh language

2994
01:55:27,760 --> 01:55:32,239
um as a conditional use within the zone.

2995
01:55:32,239 --> 01:55:35,119
Uh that draft language is included in

2996
01:55:35,119 --> 01:55:37,199
this packet.

2997
01:55:37,199 --> 01:55:40,800
Um this would you know if if this were

2998
01:55:40,800 --> 01:55:43,199
approved any project would still go

2999
01:55:43,199 --> 01:55:45,440
through the normal process where

3000
01:55:45,440 --> 01:55:48,000
setbacks heights uh all the different

3001
01:55:48,000 --> 01:55:51,679
things um would be would be looked at as

3002
01:55:51,679 --> 01:55:53,440
well.

3003
01:55:53,440 --> 01:55:56,880
Um the early draft of the main street

3004
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:59,920
master plan identifies the subject area

3005
01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:02,080
as a main street civic and mixeduse

3006
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:04,880
area. Um this is meant as a transition

3007
01:56:04,880 --> 01:56:09,040
zone from commercial to residential.

3008
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:10,639
The com the planning commission this

3009
01:56:10,639 --> 01:56:12,719
item did go to planning commission um

3010
01:56:12,719 --> 01:56:15,280
back on November 18th. Um they did hold

3011
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:17,440
a public hearing there as required for

3012
01:56:17,440 --> 01:56:19,679
an ordinance change.

3013
01:56:19,679 --> 01:56:21,199
Um

3014
01:56:21,199 --> 01:56:23,840
the discussion focused on consistency

3015
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:26,080
with the areas envisioned mixeduse

3016
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:29,119
character uh potential impacts related

3017
01:56:29,119 --> 01:56:32,560
to traffic parking and site design. Um

3018
01:56:32,560 --> 01:56:34,400
there were some public concerns raised

3019
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:36,480
during that meeting

3020
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:39,440
um including the press for code changes

3021
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:42,480
kind of driven by an individual project

3022
01:56:42,480 --> 01:56:45,679
um and then compatibility with the

3023
01:56:45,679 --> 01:56:48,080
community's identity.

3024
01:56:48,080 --> 01:56:52,159
Um the applicant did uh emphasize that

3025
01:56:52,159 --> 01:56:54,719
this would be a low uh traffic nature

3026
01:56:54,719 --> 01:56:57,360
use um compatible with other surrounding

3027
01:56:57,360 --> 01:56:59,599
commercial properties

3028
01:56:59,599 --> 01:57:03,040
and uh potential demand for enclosed

3029
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:06,639
storage. Um the commission discussed

3030
01:57:06,639 --> 01:57:09,040
operational considerations like parking,

3031
01:57:09,040 --> 01:57:12,080
landscaping, screening and restrictions

3032
01:57:12,080 --> 01:57:14,719
on business activity within units as

3033
01:57:14,719 --> 01:57:16,800
well as the need for compliance with

3034
01:57:16,800 --> 01:57:21,840
design guidelines and standards. Um

3035
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:24,719
while there was still some concern um

3036
01:57:24,719 --> 01:57:26,880
regarding creating code changes for

3037
01:57:26,880 --> 01:57:29,119
single site, others noted the potential

3038
01:57:29,119 --> 01:57:31,119
community benefit

3039
01:57:31,119 --> 01:57:34,320
and reuse of a vacant building. Um, a

3040
01:57:34,320 --> 01:57:38,080
motion was made by uh was made to

3041
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:40,000
recommend approval of the proposed code

3042
01:57:40,000 --> 01:57:42,719
amendment uh finding it consistent with

3043
01:57:42,719 --> 01:57:44,639
the general plan and development code

3044
01:57:44,639 --> 01:57:47,679
standards. Uh, that motion was seconded

3045
01:57:47,679 --> 01:57:50,320
and passed unanimously.

3046
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:54,159
Um, the proposed code is included in the

3047
01:57:54,159 --> 01:57:55,679
packet.

3048
01:57:55,679 --> 01:58:00,000
Um, it's just a a new section. Uh, it's

3049
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:02,239
be 13 in that section of the development

3050
01:58:02,239 --> 01:58:06,480
code. Item 13, um, indoor storage units

3051
01:58:06,480 --> 01:58:10,880
and luxury condo garages. And there's a lot of different there's A

3052
01:58:10,880 --> 01:58:13,840
through O in here. I could go through

3053
01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:15,440
every single one of these if you want me

3054
01:58:15,440 --> 01:58:17,920
to, but um, like I said, there are

3055
01:58:17,920 --> 01:58:22,880
limitations, 3 to 5 acres in size. Um,

3056
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:24,800
unless

3057
01:58:24,800 --> 01:58:26,480
basically recommended by the planning

3058
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:28,080
commission and city council, you

3059
01:58:28,080 --> 01:58:30,239
couldn't have another one within a mile

3060
01:58:30,239 --> 01:58:34,159
of of uh an existing project.

3061
01:58:34,159 --> 01:58:35,679
Um,

3062
01:58:35,679 --> 01:58:37,920
can't have direct direct access to Main

3063
01:58:37,920 --> 01:58:40,560
Street. Um, there's other things in

3064
01:58:40,560 --> 01:58:44,159
there like no garage doors facing um a

3065
01:58:44,159 --> 01:58:45,760
street.

3066
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:48,639
uh you can't live

3067
01:58:48,639 --> 01:58:51,520
uh or have over overnight accommodations

3068
01:58:51,520 --> 01:58:54,719
in these units. Uh no commercial vehicle

3069
01:58:54,719 --> 01:58:58,480
repair. Um there's there's a whole list

3070
01:58:58,480 --> 01:59:00,480
of things. There's parking requirements

3071
01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:03,520
and different things like that.

3072
01:59:03,520 --> 01:59:06,480
Um is that enough of an introduction to

3073
01:59:06,480 --> 01:59:08,400
this project? You want to hear from the

3074
01:59:08,400 --> 01:59:10,080
applicant?

3075
01:59:10,080 --> 01:59:19,990
>> Yeah, let's bring him up.

3076
01:59:20,000 --> 01:59:23,119
Hello. Thank you uh for for letting us

3077
01:59:23,119 --> 01:59:25,360
come here. We're excited to be here. Um

3078
01:59:25,360 --> 01:59:28,560
just one uh thing to add with

3079
01:59:28,560 --> 01:59:31,679
>> Oh, great point. I am Nash Nielson with

3080
01:59:31,679 --> 01:59:33,360
Stack Real Estate. So, real estate

3081
01:59:33,360 --> 01:59:35,599
development company based out of Lehi.

3082
01:59:35,599 --> 01:59:38,080
Um and yeah, we went and visited the

3083
01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:40,239
planning commission a while back. Um got

3084
01:59:40,239 --> 01:59:42,239
a lot of feedback on that. one one

3085
01:59:42,239 --> 01:59:43,840
comment with this when discussing with

3086
01:59:43,840 --> 01:59:46,239
Ryan um a lot of these restrictions

3087
01:59:46,239 --> 01:59:48,719
really limit

3088
01:59:48,719 --> 01:59:52,320
um self storage to this this site um

3089
01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:54,400
based on these restrictions. So I know

3090
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:56,239
it sounds like sounds scary because it

3091
01:59:56,239 --> 01:59:58,800
could be at other locations but not

3092
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:01,520
being able to um front main street that

3093
02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:04,159
limits it pretty heavily. 3 to 5 acres

3094
02:00:04,159 --> 02:00:06,320
were I think the only site in the BC

3095
02:00:06,320 --> 02:00:07,920
zone that would meet that as well. So,

3096
02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:10,400
it is it is um with being passed, it

3097
02:00:10,400 --> 02:00:12,080
really does only affect this site. And

3098
02:00:12,080 --> 02:00:13,679
that's that's if you read through these

3099
02:00:13,679 --> 02:00:16,000
items, that's kind of where that's hit.

3100
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:18,239
And then another thing with that Ryan

3101
02:00:18,239 --> 02:00:19,599
mentioned back when we were discussing

3102
02:00:19,599 --> 02:00:21,840
this in November was they had done this

3103
02:00:21,840 --> 02:00:24,480
in the past on another use in the B in

3104
02:00:24,480 --> 02:00:26,560
the in the same zoning. Um I believe it

3105
02:00:26,560 --> 02:00:30,880
was an automotive um property along Main

3106
02:00:30,880 --> 02:00:32,400
Street that was kind of followed the

3107
02:00:32,400 --> 02:00:35,040
exact same possible uh pathway there.

3108
02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:38,000
So, um, with that, I think I could jump

3109
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:41,199
into our our presentation if that's all

3110
02:00:41,199 --> 02:00:43,760
right.

3111
02:00:43,760 --> 02:00:46,950
>> That's right.

3112
02:00:46,960 --> 02:00:52,480
» Um, but I guess just to start, we uh we

3113
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:54,159
know that this property is a hot topic

3114
02:00:54,159 --> 02:00:57,520
in in Alpine and it um has sat vacant

3115
02:00:57,520 --> 02:01:00,239
for a while. And so, we've stared at it

3116
02:01:00,239 --> 02:01:01,599
for a while and tried to figure out,

3117
02:01:01,599 --> 02:01:03,599
hey, what can we do with with this

3118
02:01:03,599 --> 02:01:05,840
property? is expensive property. It's

3119
02:01:05,840 --> 02:01:07,840
also got existing infrastructure. So,

3120
02:01:07,840 --> 02:01:09,440
how do you how do you reuse that? How

3121
02:01:09,440 --> 02:01:12,470
does

3122
02:01:12,480 --> 02:01:16,400
» how can that um be uh

3123
02:01:16,400 --> 02:01:21,679
>> No, you're totally totally fine. So, um tried to come up with with what we

3124
02:01:21,679 --> 02:01:23,119
could do. We do a bunch of different

3125
02:01:23,119 --> 02:01:26,080
development being multif family retail.

3126
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:28,320
Um office is kind of the core that we've

3127
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:30,000
done in the past and also do self

3128
02:01:30,000 --> 02:01:33,199
storage and and luxury garage condos and

3129
02:01:33,199 --> 02:01:38,080
uh tried to figure out that and this seemed to be a potential fit here.

3130
02:01:38,080 --> 02:01:40,159
So we reached out uh started having

3131
02:01:40,159 --> 02:01:41,599
discussions went to planning commission

3132
02:01:41,599 --> 02:01:44,320
and and got unanimous approval or

3133
02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:47,520
recommendation for approval. Um and and

3134
02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:49,360
since that day we received a lot of

3135
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:53,840
feedback. I think we got, you know, 60 some odd emails or so that were

3136
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:55,119
forwarded from you all from the

3137
02:01:55,119 --> 02:01:57,440
neighbors and and citizens and we all

3138
02:01:57,440 --> 02:01:59,920
felt the same of like when I heard it of

3139
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:02,719
self storage and alpine uh you know barb

3140
02:02:02,719 --> 02:02:04,320
wire fence all that kind of stuff. I'm

3141
02:02:04,320 --> 02:02:06,880
like yeah that how that sounds sounds

3142
02:02:06,880 --> 02:02:08,719
pretty terrible. So that was something

3143
02:02:08,719 --> 02:02:12,400
that we were like yeah okay we need to make sure that we do that the

3144
02:02:12,400 --> 02:02:14,560
best job that we can in resolving all

3145
02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:17,119
the concerns that we're receiving. So,

3146
02:02:17,119 --> 02:02:18,719
we'll kind of go through what we've done

3147
02:02:18,719 --> 02:02:21,119
since then. Um, so if you don't mind

3148
02:02:21,119 --> 02:02:25,119
just kind of scrolling through these, first images are just aerials of

3149
02:02:25,119 --> 02:02:28,159
the site, historical aerials that can be

3150
02:02:28,159 --> 02:02:29,920
shown of just through the years of what

3151
02:02:29,920 --> 02:02:32,480
has been going on here. Uh, we met with

3152
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:34,960
a lot of the residents uh that above the

3153
02:02:34,960 --> 02:02:36,639
property that shared frustration with

3154
02:02:36,639 --> 02:02:38,400
previous uses of this being industrial.

3155
02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:39,840
You could stop stop right there. Thank

3156
02:02:39,840 --> 02:02:43,440
Yep. Um, and so there was some concerns,

3157
02:02:43,440 --> 02:02:45,119
I guess, just of what has been been

3158
02:02:45,119 --> 02:02:47,040
done. and I know that the city's well

3159
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:49,199
aware of uh th those issues that have

3160
02:02:49,199 --> 02:02:52,239
been done here. So, um so this is kind

3161
02:02:52,239 --> 02:02:53,840
of where we've landed. So, the bigger

3162
02:02:53,840 --> 02:02:56,400
piece of this is reusili reutilizing

3163
02:02:56,400 --> 02:02:58,080
that industrial building, the

3164
02:02:58,080 --> 02:02:59,679
rectangular building. The bones of that

3165
02:02:59,679 --> 02:03:02,320
are in really great shape. Um and so we

3166
02:03:02,320 --> 02:03:03,760
could take that and and what we would do

3167
02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:05,599
is we'd add a mezzanine layer throughout

3168
02:03:05,599 --> 02:03:08,880
the entire interior of that and do uh

3169
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:10,800
two floors of climate control self

3170
02:03:10,800 --> 02:03:13,520
storage. Um those would likely be

3171
02:03:13,520 --> 02:03:15,199
managed by a company like Extra Space

3172
02:03:15,199 --> 02:03:18,239
Storage where we kind of out out um get

3173
02:03:18,239 --> 02:03:19,840
give them the keys and say, you know,

3174
02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:21,280
run run this thing as you do because

3175
02:03:21,280 --> 02:03:22,560
they're they're really good at doing

3176
02:03:22,560 --> 02:03:24,080
that. And then the remainder of the

3177
02:03:24,080 --> 02:03:26,400
property is a luxury garage condo

3178
02:03:26,400 --> 02:03:31,119
community, which these item these are for sale um for people to be able to

3179
02:03:31,119 --> 02:03:32,719
use and put, you know, car collections

3180
02:03:32,719 --> 02:03:37,119
in there and and RV boat um type. We

3181
02:03:37,119 --> 02:03:38,880
also we have a guy that reached out that

3182
02:03:38,880 --> 02:03:41,040
was interested in um debating on

3183
02:03:41,040 --> 02:03:44,000
building a a structure next to their

3184
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:45,679
house and concerns with that or just

3185
02:03:45,679 --> 02:03:47,440
buying one of these and so could be just

3186
02:03:47,440 --> 02:03:50,880
used as a as as a garage. Um we will

3187
02:03:50,880 --> 02:03:52,719
have guidelines that we'll go through.

3188
02:03:52,719 --> 02:03:55,280
So maybe we can go to the next slide

3189
02:03:55,280 --> 02:03:58,320
here. Um this this was an older version

3190
02:03:58,320 --> 02:04:00,800
of that we first uh laid out. We wanted

3191
02:04:00,800 --> 02:04:03,280
to discuss with many of the neighbors

3192
02:04:03,280 --> 02:04:06,719
that had reached out of of our desire to

3193
02:04:06,719 --> 02:04:08,560
put more landscaping around it. Um,

3194
02:04:08,560 --> 02:04:10,560
especially those to the the north and

3195
02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:16,320
the Hunter uh ridge circle. Um, this doesn't incorporate the wandering

3196
02:04:16,320 --> 02:04:18,400
stones piece that's owned by Na Nathan

3197
02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:20,719
and Amy Stone, which we are have since

3198
02:04:20,719 --> 02:04:22,719
incorporated to this project as well.

3199
02:04:22,719 --> 02:04:25,920
So, um, I envision a continuation of

3200
02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:27,920
those landscape trees that are going

3201
02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:29,920
along that. That was a conversation that

3202
02:04:29,920 --> 02:04:31,440
we've had with them of hey we've we

3203
02:04:31,440 --> 02:04:34,080
heard a lot of noise um you know late

3204
02:04:34,080 --> 02:04:36,560
night deliveries uh smoke breaks all

3205
02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:37,920
that kind of stuff that was going on at

3206
02:04:37,920 --> 02:04:41,599
the site. Um um so we want to want to do

3207
02:04:41,599 --> 02:04:44,960
our best to to limit that with our with

3208
02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:47,760
our units. Uh we anticipate much quieter

3209
02:04:47,760 --> 02:04:49,520
neighbor for for them. But in addition

3210
02:04:49,520 --> 02:04:51,599
to that creating privacy trees that's

3211
02:04:51,599 --> 02:04:55,360
something that we've um um agreed to do

3212
02:04:55,360 --> 02:04:58,239
uh with them. Um, also along you'll see

3213
02:04:58,239 --> 02:05:00,960
along the cemetery uh road on the right

3214
02:05:00,960 --> 02:05:04,560
hand side next to the snow acis and um

3215
02:05:04,560 --> 02:05:06,560
balance studio and the n the residences

3216
02:05:06,560 --> 02:05:08,080
on the on the right side that we'd be

3217
02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:09,840
adding trees along that that property

3218
02:05:09,840 --> 02:05:12,560
the property line does go all the way

3219
02:05:12,560 --> 02:05:15,599
kind of to where you see there. Um and

3220
02:05:15,599 --> 02:05:19,040
then along 200 north we'd be adding um

3221
02:05:19,040 --> 02:05:22,000
you know a good look of of landscape

3222
02:05:22,000 --> 02:05:23,840
along that as well.

3223
02:05:23,840 --> 02:05:27,280
go to the next next slide there. I'll

3224
02:05:27,280 --> 02:05:29,599
try to hurry. Um with with this is just

3225
02:05:29,599 --> 02:05:31,760
a look at what uh these units could look

3226
02:05:31,760 --> 02:05:33,520
like and how they would be operated.

3227
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:36,000
Again, just an extension of the home for

3228
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:37,920
a lot of the Alpine residents. The phone

3229
02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:40,000
calls that we've received with with

3230
02:05:40,000 --> 02:05:42,400
interest in the site. A lot of them have

3231
02:05:42,400 --> 02:05:44,639
uh have car collections and whatnot, but

3232
02:05:44,639 --> 02:05:46,639
again, multiple different types of uses

3233
02:05:46,639 --> 02:05:48,719
that they've debated on uh having.

3234
02:05:48,719 --> 02:05:50,960
There's also a few people that have uh

3235
02:05:50,960 --> 02:05:52,560
commercial units that they've leased far

3236
02:05:52,560 --> 02:05:54,800
away outside of the the town that they

3237
02:05:54,800 --> 02:05:56,400
like to get their stuff closer to to

3238
02:05:56,400 --> 02:05:59,920
their house. Um, next slide, please.

3239
02:05:59,920 --> 02:06:02,400
This is a look of an internal of climate

3240
02:06:02,400 --> 02:06:04,000
control self- storage units. So, it's a

3241
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:06,000
bunch of roller doors. They vary in

3242
02:06:06,000 --> 02:06:10,239
sizes between 5x5s to 10 by30s. Um, so

3243
02:06:10,239 --> 02:06:12,320
these are it's a restricted access. You

3244
02:06:12,320 --> 02:06:14,560
can only get in if you see that code. If

3245
02:06:14,560 --> 02:06:16,320
you're if you're a paying customer, you

3246
02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:17,920
can use your code and have access to the

3247
02:06:17,920 --> 02:06:19,920
building. The access to that building

3248
02:06:19,920 --> 02:06:21,520
will be between 6:00 in the morning till

3249
02:06:21,520 --> 02:06:25,119
about 10 or 11 at night. Um there will

3250
02:06:25,119 --> 02:06:27,520
be a person in a in an office that'll be

3251
02:06:27,520 --> 02:06:30,159
in there from about 9 to about 5:30 or

3252
02:06:30,159 --> 02:06:32,800
so. Um

3253
02:06:32,800 --> 02:06:34,800
next slide.

3254
02:06:34,800 --> 02:06:36,719
Uh this is just to show just to show the

3255
02:06:36,719 --> 02:06:38,719
BC zoning and what you know uses that

3256
02:06:38,719 --> 02:06:40,079
are allowed in here. We don't need to go

3257
02:06:40,079 --> 02:06:41,199
through all these. I know you guys are

3258
02:06:41,199 --> 02:06:42,880
aware of these, but just threw this in

3259
02:06:42,880 --> 02:06:45,040
there just for a little bit more of just

3260
02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:46,960
showing what could could be built on the

3261
02:06:46,960 --> 02:06:48,400
property without having to go through

3262
02:06:48,400 --> 02:06:49,599
the same process that we're going

3263
02:06:49,599 --> 02:06:52,000
through with asking for uh relief with

3264
02:06:52,000 --> 02:06:55,599
zoning. Um we can go ahead and go to the

3265
02:06:55,599 --> 02:06:57,440
next one.

3266
02:06:57,440 --> 02:06:59,360
Um with this, there's been concerns

3267
02:06:59,360 --> 02:07:02,880
about what could be in these units and how are you going to make sure that

3268
02:07:02,880 --> 02:07:04,560
this doesn't become an extension of what

3269
02:07:04,560 --> 02:07:06,719
was in the past with industrial and

3270
02:07:06,719 --> 02:07:08,719
everything like that. So just just to

3271
02:07:08,719 --> 02:07:10,800
run through, uh no one's going to be

3272
02:07:10,800 --> 02:07:12,800
living in these or sleeping in these. So

3273
02:07:12,800 --> 02:07:15,360
no residential uses. Uh the the idea is

3274
02:07:15,360 --> 02:07:18,079
not to have any customer traffic. So a

3275
02:07:18,079 --> 02:07:19,599
business can't go in there and and

3276
02:07:19,599 --> 02:07:24,639
operate um and sell uh units directly to

3277
02:07:24,639 --> 02:07:26,000
customers and everything like that. So

3278
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:29,040
that's limited. Um just like in a town

3279
02:07:29,040 --> 02:07:30,079
home community, you don't want your

3280
02:07:30,079 --> 02:07:31,599
neighbor being loud and making a bunch

3281
02:07:31,599 --> 02:07:34,320
of noise and messing things up. So that

3282
02:07:34,320 --> 02:07:38,719
was um just some list of of of items in

3283
02:07:38,719 --> 02:07:40,560
there. We can come back to that with any

3284
02:07:40,560 --> 02:07:43,520
questions you have. Go to the next one,

3285
02:07:43,520 --> 02:07:45,920
please. Thank you. And so I just wanted

3286
02:07:45,920 --> 02:07:48,159
to show this as well. Uh there's various

3287
02:07:48,159 --> 02:07:52,320
concerns throughout the city on on um

3288
02:07:52,320 --> 02:07:57,920
why storage here and and a different issues. In summary, we kind of

3289
02:07:57,920 --> 02:08:00,159
were looking at some of those of

3290
02:08:00,159 --> 02:08:01,760
immediate neighbors. were very concerned

3291
02:08:01,760 --> 02:08:04,159
with aesthetics, look and feel, very

3292
02:08:04,159 --> 02:08:06,239
concerned with traffic, especially the

3293
02:08:06,239 --> 02:08:07,760
residences. Uh there were a couple

3294
02:08:07,760 --> 02:08:09,119
business owners that weren't as

3295
02:08:09,119 --> 02:08:12,000
concerned of traffic. Uh concerned with

3296
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:13,840
noise and how that would impact business

3297
02:08:13,840 --> 02:08:18,320
as well as uh you know just living next door. Parking. Parking

3298
02:08:18,320 --> 02:08:20,159
historically has been a very large issue

3299
02:08:20,159 --> 02:08:24,079
with this property. Um privacy uh you

3300
02:08:24,079 --> 02:08:26,400
know what what you know people looking

3301
02:08:26,400 --> 02:08:27,679
into backyards and stuff like that.

3302
02:08:27,679 --> 02:08:28,639
Would that happen? Would there be

3303
02:08:28,639 --> 02:08:31,280
windows and such? uh which we we will

3304
02:08:31,280 --> 02:08:33,119
not have any windows that'll be directly

3305
02:08:33,119 --> 02:08:35,440
looking into backyards. Uh property

3306
02:08:35,440 --> 02:08:38,320
values, I think with with that um we've

3307
02:08:38,320 --> 02:08:40,960
had I think you've seen the pricing on

3308
02:08:40,960 --> 02:08:44,400
these. This is a luxury item uh for for

3309
02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:46,000
owners, people that are buying that. I

3310
02:08:46,000 --> 02:08:47,440
think this is only going to be more of a

3311
02:08:47,440 --> 02:08:50,000
benefit, especially next door to um

3312
02:08:50,000 --> 02:08:51,760
either an industrial building or a

3313
02:08:51,760 --> 02:08:53,280
vacant

3314
02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:56,719
industrial building. Um yeah, light

3315
02:08:56,719 --> 02:08:58,320
pollution. Also, we're not a parking

3316
02:08:58,320 --> 02:09:01,360
lot. We don't need to have uh lights

3317
02:09:01,360 --> 02:09:02,800
spraying outside of the property.

3318
02:09:02,800 --> 02:09:04,719
Everything's down lit inside internally.

3319
02:09:04,719 --> 02:09:06,079
The only thing that would be outside is

3320
02:09:06,079 --> 02:09:07,840
just landscape that makes the building

3321
02:09:07,840 --> 02:09:10,480
look good at night. Um and then as you

3322
02:09:10,480 --> 02:09:11,760
got a little bit further away,

3323
02:09:11,760 --> 02:09:13,520
aesthetics was always a big issue.

3324
02:09:13,520 --> 02:09:14,800
Doesn't matter where you live, they want

3325
02:09:14,800 --> 02:09:17,760
to make sure that this was u um matched

3326
02:09:17,760 --> 02:09:19,199
the look and feel, which we feel

3327
02:09:19,199 --> 02:09:20,800
strongly as well. And we, you know,

3328
02:09:20,800 --> 02:09:22,159
wanted to do a good job, and that's why

3329
02:09:22,159 --> 02:09:24,000
it's taken us a couple months to come

3330
02:09:24,000 --> 02:09:26,400
back here. Um but as you got farther

3331
02:09:26,400 --> 02:09:28,560
away uh there were some concerns of is

3332
02:09:28,560 --> 02:09:30,320
this the highest and best use to self

3333
02:09:30,320 --> 02:09:33,679
storage belong in Alpine. Um this could

3334
02:09:33,679 --> 02:09:35,199
be used for a little bit better

3335
02:09:35,199 --> 02:09:37,679
opportunities such as housing or or

3336
02:09:37,679 --> 02:09:42,079
retail something that's that that adds to the city. So if I can drive in

3337
02:09:42,079 --> 02:09:44,079
and spend a little bit of money there

3338
02:09:44,079 --> 02:09:45,920
that that was kind of what that member

3339
02:09:45,920 --> 02:09:48,800
So it in in meeting with a few different

3340
02:09:48,800 --> 02:09:51,119
members in their homes there there some

3341
02:09:51,119 --> 02:09:53,199
of them would say I just don't want any

3342
02:09:53,199 --> 02:09:55,040
traffic any increase in traffic. It's

3343
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:56,320
already crazy and I was standing on

3344
02:09:56,320 --> 02:09:58,400
their porch and seeing you know right

3345
02:09:58,400 --> 02:10:01,119
around the 3 to 5:00 mark where there's

3346
02:10:01,119 --> 02:10:02,880
kids getting out of school that 200

3347
02:10:02,880 --> 02:10:04,880
north gets gets pretty wild. And they,

3348
02:10:04,880 --> 02:10:06,719
you know, one of them had had been been

3349
02:10:06,719 --> 02:10:08,639
there for 50 years or so. It said, you

3350
02:10:08,639 --> 02:10:09,920
know, you used to could play kick the

3351
02:10:09,920 --> 02:10:11,599
can on the road at night and now

3352
02:10:11,599 --> 02:10:13,440
obviously there's many, many cars that

3353
02:10:13,440 --> 02:10:15,599
were going. So that was a big concern.

3354
02:10:15,599 --> 02:10:17,280
And then, you know, if you go to there,

3355
02:10:17,280 --> 02:10:20,560
there's another business owner that we met were just really hoping that

3356
02:10:20,560 --> 02:10:22,000
retail could be their neighbor, you

3357
02:10:22,000 --> 02:10:24,400
know. So very even immediately there

3358
02:10:24,400 --> 02:10:26,320
were some some some differing concerns

3359
02:10:26,320 --> 02:10:29,119
there. So we understand very difficult

3360
02:10:29,119 --> 02:10:33,440
um property um with with uh but we we

3361
02:10:33,440 --> 02:10:36,239
feel like we're a good solution uh to

3362
02:10:36,239 --> 02:10:38,159
again to the traffic. We can keep going

3363
02:10:38,159 --> 02:10:41,040
through our slides here. So again

3364
02:10:41,040 --> 02:10:42,960
aesthetics was a concern. Storage is

3365
02:10:42,960 --> 02:10:45,760
ugly. Doesn't fit our our our

3366
02:10:45,760 --> 02:10:48,800
character. We are responding to that by

3367
02:10:48,800 --> 02:10:51,599
an upscaled facade um based on some of

3368
02:10:51,599 --> 02:10:52,960
the inspiration that we received from

3369
02:10:52,960 --> 02:10:55,040
the town as well as just telling our

3370
02:10:55,040 --> 02:10:56,800
architect, hey, let's let's do as good

3371
02:10:56,800 --> 02:10:59,040
as we can and let's let's let's push as

3372
02:10:59,040 --> 02:11:00,320
hard as we can to make this thing look

3373
02:11:00,320 --> 02:11:01,760
good. It doesn't necessarily look like a

3374
02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:03,520
self-s storage facility anymore in my

3375
02:11:03,520 --> 02:11:05,360
opinion. So, one of our concerns is now

3376
02:11:05,360 --> 02:11:06,480
that we're going to build this and make

3377
02:11:06,480 --> 02:11:08,079
it look this like this, are we going to

3378
02:11:08,079 --> 02:11:09,760
be able to have our customers know what

3379
02:11:09,760 --> 02:11:11,199
we are and be able to get to our

3380
02:11:11,199 --> 02:11:12,800
facility?

3381
02:11:12,800 --> 02:11:14,800
Uh traffic kind of just chatted through

3382
02:11:14,800 --> 02:11:16,800
that. Again, we're very very low trip

3383
02:11:16,800 --> 02:11:21,119
generator. Uh noise. Uh we got CCNRs are

3384
02:11:21,119 --> 02:11:22,880
going to prohibit uh noise and

3385
02:11:22,880 --> 02:11:23,840
everything like that. We're not going to

3386
02:11:23,840 --> 02:11:26,000
have a lot of employees, no customer

3387
02:11:26,000 --> 02:11:29,280
traffic. Um there was also a concern of

3388
02:11:29,280 --> 02:11:30,960
a lot of box trucks going on. A lot of

3389
02:11:30,960 --> 02:11:32,480
self storage facilities do have box

3390
02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:35,679
trucks and that being an issue. Um we

3391
02:11:35,679 --> 02:11:37,199
will agree and something that we could

3392
02:11:37,199 --> 02:11:39,199
add in here uh to the code that I do not

3393
02:11:39,199 --> 02:11:41,119
believe is in there right now is that we

3394
02:11:41,119 --> 02:11:44,320
would restrict leasing of U-Haul trucks.

3395
02:11:44,320 --> 02:11:46,159
A lot of self-s storage facilities will

3396
02:11:46,159 --> 02:11:47,760
park four or five trucks next to their

3397
02:11:47,760 --> 02:11:50,480
building and lease them out as an income

3398
02:11:50,480 --> 02:11:52,960
stream. And so we'd be willing to

3399
02:11:52,960 --> 02:11:54,639
include that and just assure like that's

3400
02:11:54,639 --> 02:11:56,159
not going to be a part of our business.

3401
02:11:56,159 --> 02:11:58,000
Doesn't look good. It's it's loud,

3402
02:11:58,000 --> 02:12:03,199
noisy. So, um something that's there. Um

3403
02:12:03,199 --> 02:12:04,960
yeah, I think kind of touched on

3404
02:12:04,960 --> 02:12:06,320
everything else. We can kind of move to

3405
02:12:06,320 --> 02:12:09,040
the next one.

3406
02:12:09,040 --> 02:12:11,040
Thank you. Here's just images that I I

3407
02:12:11,040 --> 02:12:13,360
caught on Google Earth of historical

3408
02:12:13,360 --> 02:12:14,639
traffic issues where there's just a

3409
02:12:14,639 --> 02:12:16,560
bunch of traffic that was spilling over

3410
02:12:16,560 --> 02:12:19,280
uh due to previous industrial use. Can

3411
02:12:19,280 --> 02:12:22,400
move to next one. Thank you. Another

3412
02:12:22,400 --> 02:12:24,880
picture of that just showing historical

3413
02:12:24,880 --> 02:12:26,400
what the the neighbors have had to deal

3414
02:12:26,400 --> 02:12:30,719
with. Next one, please. Uh traffic. This

3415
02:12:30,719 --> 02:12:33,599
is a if you go to the IT, which is the

3416
02:12:33,599 --> 02:12:36,159
Institute of Traffic Engineers, it's a

3417
02:12:36,159 --> 02:12:38,000
it's kind of like building codes for the

3418
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:40,000
entire country type for engineers to be

3419
02:12:40,000 --> 02:12:41,440
able to look up what is traffic for

3420
02:12:41,440 --> 02:12:43,840
these type of uses. Um, you can punch in

3421
02:12:43,840 --> 02:12:45,599
there, you can even ask chat GPT or

3422
02:12:45,599 --> 02:12:48,320
anything of of hey, what what's the self

3423
02:12:48,320 --> 02:12:50,000
if you build a 100,000 square foot of

3424
02:12:50,000 --> 02:12:51,040
each of these different things, what's

3425
02:12:51,040 --> 02:12:53,360
the traffic that would be generated? So,

3426
02:12:53,360 --> 02:12:55,920
this isn't just my my word. This is a

3427
02:12:55,920 --> 02:12:59,599
very specific code. Code 151 shows that

3428
02:12:59,599 --> 02:13:02,000
we'd only have, you know, seven trips in

3429
02:13:02,000 --> 02:13:07,520
an hour um peak hour AM and then 12 peak

3430
02:13:07,520 --> 02:13:12,320
hour on this is like a Saturday. So very low traffic generator. So again,

3431
02:13:12,320 --> 02:13:16,960
also reduces the need for parking for our specific use.

3432
02:13:16,960 --> 02:13:20,159
All right. In comparison to other uses

3433
02:13:20,159 --> 02:13:23,280
that um could go here.

3434
02:13:23,280 --> 02:13:25,360
Next one there. Oh, yep. No, you're

3435
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:26,960
totally fine. These are some of the

3436
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:28,560
existing in the zone. So, some of the

3437
02:13:28,560 --> 02:13:30,239
concerns we had of we want it to look

3438
02:13:30,239 --> 02:13:32,480
good. Um, when we came here last time or

3439
02:13:32,480 --> 02:13:33,760
came to planning commission, I didn't

3440
02:13:33,760 --> 02:13:36,480
know exactly what um what to go off of

3441
02:13:36,480 --> 02:13:37,760
because there were some varying things.

3442
02:13:37,760 --> 02:13:40,239
We've had some great discussion with uh

3443
02:13:40,239 --> 02:13:42,239
the the town and the city and and and

3444
02:13:42,239 --> 02:13:45,440
many of you of Yeah. Here here's uh if

3445
02:13:45,440 --> 02:13:47,440
you go to the next slide, here's some

3446
02:13:47,440 --> 02:13:49,280
examples of what we what we'd like and

3447
02:13:49,280 --> 02:13:50,800
what we'd envision. I know that there's

3448
02:13:50,800 --> 02:13:52,239
a lot of work that that's kind of still

3449
02:13:52,239 --> 02:13:56,000
in the works for uh the the uh the BC

3450
02:13:56,000 --> 02:13:57,199
zone along Main Street about what you

3451
02:13:57,199 --> 02:13:59,679
want that to look like. And so we we

3452
02:13:59,679 --> 02:14:01,360
took that and I I think if you go to the

3453
02:14:01,360 --> 02:14:06,400
next slide, this is kind of where we've landed. Now I I know I've

3454
02:14:06,400 --> 02:14:07,679
also got a comment of like there's a lot

3455
02:14:07,679 --> 02:14:09,679
of brown there. We're not married to any

3456
02:14:09,679 --> 02:14:12,560
of these uh specific colors. This was

3457
02:14:12,560 --> 02:14:15,119
just showing um there was a major

3458
02:14:15,119 --> 02:14:17,520
concern of a long wall that looks like a

3459
02:14:17,520 --> 02:14:19,280
prison. So, let's make sure that it's

3460
02:14:19,280 --> 02:14:20,960
not just a long wall. There's two and

3461
02:14:20,960 --> 02:14:23,360
four foot jogs in the building. As you

3462
02:14:23,360 --> 02:14:26,320
go, you know, as you head west here,

3463
02:14:26,320 --> 02:14:28,079
there's also elevation changes with

3464
02:14:28,079 --> 02:14:30,400
different roof pitches. So, you can see

3465
02:14:30,400 --> 02:14:32,239
multiple different, you know, elevation

3466
02:14:32,239 --> 02:14:34,400
changes there. And then a little bit of

3467
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:36,800
dimension here on this corner because it

3468
02:14:36,800 --> 02:14:39,440
seemed like this this corner is a big um

3469
02:14:39,440 --> 02:14:40,880
opportunity for us to make it look

3470
02:14:40,880 --> 02:14:44,159
really good. Um, one more picture there,

3471
02:14:44,159 --> 02:14:47,119
I think. Yeah. So that's looking kind of

3472
02:14:47,119 --> 02:14:50,639
in the other direction. So um the these

3473
02:14:50,639 --> 02:14:53,040
uh lower level windows are spandre

3474
02:14:53,040 --> 02:14:55,199
glass. So they will not be functional

3475
02:14:55,199 --> 02:14:57,840
units or functional glass but they're

3476
02:14:57,840 --> 02:14:59,119
you know we're adding them there because

3477
02:14:59,119 --> 02:15:01,360
we felt like it needed to look just

3478
02:15:01,360 --> 02:15:03,199
dress it up as much as we possibly can

3479
02:15:03,199 --> 02:15:05,760
along that. This would be what we'd

3480
02:15:05,760 --> 02:15:07,760
refer to as the primary facade which

3481
02:15:07,760 --> 02:15:10,480
we've agreed to kind of wrap around on

3482
02:15:10,480 --> 02:15:13,520
the west side along um the knot and pine

3483
02:15:13,520 --> 02:15:15,679
business as well as wrap around on the

3484
02:15:15,679 --> 02:15:18,400
other side to the um snow oasis and

3485
02:15:18,400 --> 02:15:20,960
balance studio side. So that way as

3486
02:15:20,960 --> 02:15:23,280
you're on 200 north and where you know

3487
02:15:23,280 --> 02:15:24,800
majority of the traffic majority of

3488
02:15:24,800 --> 02:15:25,679
people are going to see you're going to

3489
02:15:25,679 --> 02:15:27,199
be able to look at this this type of

3490
02:15:27,199 --> 02:15:30,800
facade. So um happy to answer any

3491
02:15:30,800 --> 02:15:32,480
questions. Sorry, I got a lot of long

3492
02:15:32,480 --> 02:15:33,760
longwinded there, but

3493
02:15:33,760 --> 02:15:36,159
>> No, we'll start with Chrissy.

3494
02:15:36,159 --> 02:15:37,040
>> Okay.

3495
02:15:37,040 --> 02:15:38,719
great. Um,

3496
02:15:38,719 --> 02:15:40,800
>> that those that was a really good um

3497
02:15:40,800 --> 02:15:43,280
presentation. Very informative.

3498
02:15:43,280 --> 02:15:45,360
>> Thank you. I didn't practice in the

3499
02:15:45,360 --> 02:15:47,040
truck by myself at all. I promise. No,

3500
02:15:47,040 --> 02:15:47,440
I'm just kidding.

3501
02:15:47,440 --> 02:15:52,719
>> No, it it was worth it. Um, I had a a

3502
02:15:52,719 --> 02:15:54,639
couple questions about the code, so I'm

3503
02:15:54,639 --> 02:15:56,880
not sure I should address those to you.

3504
02:15:56,880 --> 02:15:58,639
Do you want us to talk about code and

3505
02:15:58,639 --> 02:16:00,000
the presentation,

3506
02:16:00,000 --> 02:16:02,320
>> mayor? Okay. Um I'll start with the

3507
02:16:02,320 --> 02:16:04,239
presentation then go to code because

3508
02:16:04,239 --> 02:16:05,679
that's what we just heard was the

3509
02:16:05,679 --> 02:16:08,719
presentation. Um the I really do

3510
02:16:08,719 --> 02:16:10,320
appreciate the effort to address

3511
02:16:10,320 --> 02:16:12,320
aesthetics. We um are in the middle of a

3512
02:16:12,320 --> 02:16:16,079
Main Street gateway re redo and so uh

3513
02:16:16,079 --> 02:16:18,719
that is not um has not come before the

3514
02:16:18,719 --> 02:16:21,119
council or you know been finalized. So

3515
02:16:21,119 --> 02:16:23,440
you're ahead of the game in that way.

3516
02:16:23,440 --> 02:16:25,599
Um, I was of the mind to table this

3517
02:16:25,599 --> 02:16:28,000
until we could get that all wrapped up

3518
02:16:28,000 --> 02:16:30,560
so that you're compliant with our new

3519
02:16:30,560 --> 02:16:33,040
view of what Alpine should look like.

3520
02:16:33,040 --> 02:16:35,280
But, um, you've you've addressed that.

3521
02:16:35,280 --> 02:16:37,439
And I don't know, we'll have to talk

3522
02:16:37,439 --> 02:16:39,439
with, you know, our new planner and

3523
02:16:39,439 --> 02:16:42,319
Shane to make sure that the wherever we

3524
02:16:42,319 --> 02:16:44,160
end up with all of those things that

3525
02:16:44,160 --> 02:16:46,080
it's going to look like the new alpine

3526
02:16:46,080 --> 02:16:48,639
that we want to see. So, um, all of

3527
02:16:48,639 --> 02:16:50,479
these pictures were very appreciative

3528
02:16:50,479 --> 02:16:56,240
and they talked about massing and and, um, scaling and, you know, breaking

3529
02:16:56,240 --> 02:16:58,399
up the walls and all of that in our new

3530
02:16:58,399 --> 02:17:00,319
code. So, you you done a great job with

3531
02:17:00,319 --> 02:17:03,920
that. Um, also referencing an an honest

3532
02:17:03,920 --> 02:17:06,080
source about traffic because so much of

3533
02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:08,479
traffic is perception. So, that was a

3534
02:17:08,479 --> 02:17:11,280
very useful piece of information. Um, I

3535
02:17:11,280 --> 02:17:12,399
don't know if you're here earlier, we

3536
02:17:12,399 --> 02:17:14,080
were talking about how we generate

3537
02:17:14,080 --> 02:17:16,399
income as a city through sales tax. Is

3538
02:17:16,399 --> 02:17:18,319
there any sales tax generated from this

3539
02:17:18,319 --> 02:17:19,280
property?

3540
02:17:19,280 --> 02:17:21,760
>> Um there's there's a little bit from you

3541
02:17:21,760 --> 02:17:23,599
know when when people are moving in the

3542
02:17:23,599 --> 02:17:25,679
storage facility they would be using

3543
02:17:25,679 --> 02:17:28,559
boxes and locks and stuff like that. So

3544
02:17:28,559 --> 02:17:30,719
um but it is it is

3545
02:17:30,719 --> 02:17:33,439
>> but we don't have a sales tax on leasing

3546
02:17:33,439 --> 02:17:34,319
space, right?

3547
02:17:34,319 --> 02:17:36,000
>> No, not in the state of Utah.

3548
02:17:36,000 --> 02:17:38,960
>> Okay. Yeah, I didn't think so cuz I

3549
02:17:38,960 --> 02:17:40,880
Yeah, we lease vehicles so I have to

3550
02:17:40,880 --> 02:17:43,679
look up all the state laws anyways and

3551
02:17:43,679 --> 02:17:46,960
Utah is very um yeah, we don't charge a

3552
02:17:46,960 --> 02:17:48,719
lot of sales tax for that stuff.

3553
02:17:48,719 --> 02:17:50,719
>> There's property taxes that will be

3554
02:17:50,719 --> 02:17:52,319
these will be deedowned.

3555
02:17:52,319 --> 02:17:52,800
>> Yes.

3556
02:17:52,800 --> 02:17:54,240
>> Units. So there will be property taxes

3557
02:17:54,240 --> 02:17:56,160
that will benefit majority school

3558
02:17:56,160 --> 02:17:58,479
district but will fall to the city as in

3559
02:17:58,479 --> 02:18:00,960
addition to the self-s storage facility

3560
02:18:00,960 --> 02:18:02,960
also will you know I imagine our

3561
02:18:02,960 --> 02:18:05,920
property taxes there will increase from

3562
02:18:05,920 --> 02:18:06,719
what's

3563
02:18:06,719 --> 02:18:08,399
>> from what yeah what it's currently

3564
02:18:08,399 --> 02:18:11,439
there. Okay. Um and what was the other

3565
02:18:11,439 --> 02:18:13,040
thing I was going to ask you about this?

3566
02:18:13,040 --> 02:18:16,160
Can you hold up your map? Um, just for

3567
02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:17,920
our use because it was so good with the

3568
02:18:17,920 --> 02:18:19,920
circles going out. And now I'll just

3569
02:18:19,920 --> 02:18:21,439
switch gears and talk about the

3570
02:18:21,439 --> 02:18:24,639
ordinance how it's written

3571
02:18:24,639 --> 02:18:26,880
>> the circles that go out. I don't

3572
02:18:26,880 --> 02:18:29,120
remember. It's

3573
02:18:29,120 --> 02:18:29,679
>> zoning

3574
02:18:29,679 --> 02:18:31,760
>> because the first um while she's looking

3575
02:18:31,760 --> 02:18:35,120
for that, it says that we uh an item Oh

3576
02:18:35,120 --> 02:18:36,639
gosh, I lost.

3577
02:18:36,639 --> 02:18:39,040
>> Thank you very much. So are these cons

3578
02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:41,359
are these circles half mile then? I know

3579
02:18:41,359 --> 02:18:43,519
these were resident concerns, but to use

3580
02:18:43,519 --> 02:18:45,760
this as a visual. Okay. Because we had

3581
02:18:45,760 --> 02:18:47,760
it in our um ordinance not to have

3582
02:18:47,760 --> 02:18:49,599
anything within a mile.

3583
02:18:49,599 --> 02:18:51,599
>> So, can you tell me is it the second

3584
02:18:51,599 --> 02:18:53,599
circle out that we would have no other

3585
02:18:53,599 --> 02:18:55,840
units falling outside that circle?

3586
02:18:55,840 --> 02:18:57,120
>> Correct. Yeah.

3587
02:18:57,120 --> 02:19:00,399
>> Um a little history. Um there has been

3588
02:19:00,399 --> 02:19:02,880
proposed other storage units right by

3589
02:19:02,880 --> 02:19:05,599
the Alpine Art Center. It's not. It

3590
02:19:05,599 --> 02:19:08,240
never was. It never made it. It never

3591
02:19:08,240 --> 02:19:11,120
made it out of council or um but so

3592
02:19:11,120 --> 02:19:13,200
because of this ordinance, we would not

3593
02:19:13,200 --> 02:19:14,800
have another one on that space because

3594
02:19:14,800 --> 02:19:16,399
it's within the mile. Is that correct,

3595
02:19:16,399 --> 02:19:18,240
Shane?

3596
02:19:18,240 --> 02:19:20,319
>> Yeah, I think

3597
02:19:20,319 --> 02:19:23,280
>> if I understand this correctly, that

3598
02:19:23,280 --> 02:19:26,319
most outer ring would be one and a half

3599
02:19:26,319 --> 02:19:28,160
miles from the site. Is that

3600
02:19:28,160 --> 02:19:30,000
>> Yeah, the farthest out. So, it's it goes

3601
02:19:30,000 --> 02:19:33,040
a half mile, mile, h mile and a half. So

3602
02:19:33,040 --> 02:19:35,439
the middle the middle one is a mile.

3603
02:19:35,439 --> 02:19:37,599
>> So it had to be outside the middle.

3604
02:19:37,599 --> 02:19:40,160
>> So this is inside the middle. So that

3605
02:19:40,160 --> 02:19:43,519
specific property had they the owner

3606
02:19:43,519 --> 02:19:44,399
>> could not do it.

3607
02:19:44,399 --> 02:19:46,479
>> Yes. They they would be excluded from

3608
02:19:46,479 --> 02:19:47,120
another unit.

3609
02:19:47,120 --> 02:19:48,479
>> That's correct. Is that the one from a

3610
02:19:48,479 --> 02:19:50,960
couple years ago that wanted highdensity

3611
02:19:50,960 --> 02:19:52,319
commercial? That was a different one.

3612
02:19:52,319 --> 02:19:53,840
>> Oh, same property but yeah.

3613
02:19:53,840 --> 02:19:54,960
>> Oh, same property.

3614
02:19:54,960 --> 02:19:56,240
>> The property has been wanting to be

3615
02:19:56,240 --> 02:19:57,920
reszoned to commercial more than one

3616
02:19:57,920 --> 02:20:00,160
time. Okay. For different uses. similar

3617
02:20:00,160 --> 02:20:03,120
to here. They come with a proposal, but

3618
02:20:03,120 --> 02:20:05,520
it requires city council, but nothing's

3619
02:20:05,520 --> 02:20:07,920
ever moved forward on that property. So,

3620
02:20:07,920 --> 02:20:10,800
that would eliminate that because I was

3621
02:20:10,800 --> 02:20:12,560
um

3622
02:20:12,560 --> 02:20:14,720
proposed. So, we don't want to become a

3623
02:20:14,720 --> 02:20:17,520
storage unit um hub, right?

3624
02:20:17,520 --> 02:20:19,600
>> I I would say that I think that covers

3625
02:20:19,600 --> 02:20:22,319
everything in the B the BC zone. So,

3626
02:20:22,319 --> 02:20:23,840
that that alone would

3627
02:20:23,840 --> 02:20:25,040
>> Well, that they were asking to be

3628
02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:27,760
reszoned commercial and that specific

3629
02:20:27,760 --> 02:20:29,600
piece. So, you're right. everything in

3630
02:20:29,600 --> 02:20:31,520
the BC zone, but then people can always

3631
02:20:31,520 --> 02:20:32,640
ask to be reszoned,

3632
02:20:32,640 --> 02:20:33,120
>> right?

3633
02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:34,000
>> Okay, good point.

3634
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:37,760
>> That was one. Um I I I appreciated E as

3635
02:20:37,760 --> 02:20:39,760
well. You you've mentioned that. What

3636
02:20:39,760 --> 02:20:43,439
was the um understanding of 720 units? I

3637
02:20:43,439 --> 02:20:44,479
didn't understand why we need to put

3638
02:20:44,479 --> 02:20:46,640
that in our ordinance. Was it based on

3639
02:20:46,640 --> 02:20:48,479
massing or how are we coming up with

3640
02:20:48,479 --> 02:20:51,280
that? Any with Ryan with no Ryan? We we

3641
02:20:51,280 --> 02:20:51,920
don't know.

3642
02:20:51,920 --> 02:20:53,760
>> I'm sorry. I can't answer that question.

3643
02:20:53,760 --> 02:20:54,160
Okay.

3644
02:20:54,160 --> 02:20:55,680
>> I'm not sure.

3645
02:20:55,680 --> 02:20:58,080
>> Okay. So the seven and I also

3646
02:20:58,080 --> 02:20:59,359
>> I'm I'm happy to answer it if you'd

3647
02:20:59,359 --> 02:20:59,680
like.

3648
02:20:59,680 --> 02:21:02,399
>> Oh, you knew. Oh, okay. Go ahead. I'm

3649
02:21:02,399 --> 02:21:03,040
sorry.

3650
02:21:03,040 --> 02:21:04,720
>> I'm I'll talk as much as you want me to

3651
02:21:04,720 --> 02:21:05,840
talk to be honest with you. I'll just

3652
02:21:05,840 --> 02:21:08,560
keep But um the building uh when we

3653
02:21:08,560 --> 02:21:10,160
first had went to planning commission,

3654
02:21:10,160 --> 02:21:11,920
the entire building was planned to be

3655
02:21:11,920 --> 02:21:14,399
all self storage. Now, a portion of that

3656
02:21:14,399 --> 02:21:16,560
is going to be for sale, like the very

3657
02:21:16,560 --> 02:21:19,200
far west corner of that. Um but what we

3658
02:21:19,200 --> 02:21:22,640
were taking was um with self- storage

3659
02:21:22,640 --> 02:21:26,399
you going to lose uh corridors and

3660
02:21:26,399 --> 02:21:28,000
elevators and some of those

3661
02:21:28,000 --> 02:21:30,560
penetrations. So you can't rent that but

3662
02:21:30,560 --> 02:21:32,560
you know you'll take that was about I

3663
02:21:32,560 --> 02:21:34,080
think we'd have about 72,000 net

3664
02:21:34,080 --> 02:21:35,920
rentable square feet and so divide that

3665
02:21:35,920 --> 02:21:38,880
by an average unit size of 100. Majority

3666
02:21:38,880 --> 02:21:41,040
of the units will be around a 10 x 10 10

3667
02:21:41,040 --> 02:21:44,479
x 15ish some of them being smaller. So a

3668
02:21:44,479 --> 02:21:47,359
rough number with that. Ryan asked me

3669
02:21:47,359 --> 02:21:49,280
how many units do you think would be uh

3670
02:21:49,280 --> 02:21:51,040
in the self storage facility and so

3671
02:21:51,040 --> 02:21:53,840
that's where we came up with about 720

3672
02:21:53,840 --> 02:21:56,240
will be a little bit less than that um

3673
02:21:56,240 --> 02:21:59,280
now but um yeah

3674
02:21:59,280 --> 02:22:00,960
>> yeah I think I I would want to follow up

3675
02:22:00,960 --> 02:22:02,479
with Ryan I'm not sure why it needs to

3676
02:22:02,479 --> 02:22:05,040
be in the ordinance but u maybe we just

3677
02:22:05,040 --> 02:22:06,640
need a per unit per square foot or

3678
02:22:06,640 --> 02:22:08,960
something I'm not sure it seems way too

3679
02:22:08,960 --> 02:22:13,120
specific to be in the city ordinance but

3680
02:22:13,120 --> 02:22:14,880
>> but we can talk to Ryan about it I won't

3681
02:22:14,880 --> 02:22:16,640
have you speculate Shane kind of a

3682
02:22:16,640 --> 02:22:18,319
density thing I guess but

3683
02:22:18,319 --> 02:22:18,800
>> yeah it is

3684
02:22:18,800 --> 02:22:21,520
>> it seems like a way max number to me for

3685
02:22:21,520 --> 02:22:22,640
that building.

3686
02:22:22,640 --> 02:22:23,439
>> Yeah. Yeah.

3687
02:22:23,439 --> 02:22:25,439
>> Yeah. So yeah I'm sure there was some

3688
02:22:25,439 --> 02:22:26,960
something Ryan can help me understand

3689
02:22:26,960 --> 02:22:29,359
that better. That's okay. Um and the

3690
02:22:29,359 --> 02:22:31,600
last thing was um can you help us

3691
02:22:31,600 --> 02:22:35,120
understand two things when it says on um

3692
02:22:35,120 --> 02:22:37,280
K unit shall not be used for commercial

3693
02:22:37,280 --> 02:22:39,200
vehicle repair. So if people are

3694
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:41,359
restoring vehicles like it's for their

3695
02:22:41,359 --> 02:22:44,479
own usage, they go to car shows or

3696
02:22:44,479 --> 02:22:46,479
whatever or they're working on their own

3697
02:22:46,479 --> 02:22:50,080
like you know a luxury car or exotic

3698
02:22:50,080 --> 02:22:50,960
car.

3699
02:22:50,960 --> 02:22:53,040
>> So that's okay. But what would qualify

3700
02:22:53,040 --> 02:22:56,080
as commercial versus

3701
02:22:56,080 --> 02:22:57,439
what's what's acceptable and not

3702
02:22:57,439 --> 02:22:59,200
acceptable for car vehicle repair?

3703
02:22:59,200 --> 02:23:01,200
>> If I was a garage and said, "Hey, bring

3704
02:23:01,200 --> 02:23:03,920
your car in and charge me $5,000. I'll

3705
02:23:03,920 --> 02:23:06,319
charge you $5,000 to do the work on your

3706
02:23:06,319 --> 02:23:08,640
car." That's a commercial repair.

3707
02:23:08,640 --> 02:23:09,040
>> Okay.

3708
02:23:09,040 --> 02:23:11,200
>> So, but if I own the unit and I add some

3709
02:23:11,200 --> 02:23:12,720
tools just like I would in my garage and

3710
02:23:12,720 --> 02:23:14,080
I want to tinker on it and make some

3711
02:23:14,080 --> 02:23:15,840
changes and stuff like that, I kind of

3712
02:23:15,840 --> 02:23:17,600
that's where the commercial aspect kind

3713
02:23:17,600 --> 02:23:18,000
of

3714
02:23:18,000 --> 02:23:18,560
>> Okay.

3715
02:23:18,560 --> 02:23:19,439
>> close those out.

3716
02:23:19,439 --> 02:23:21,280
>> Okay, that is good. We do have a a car

3717
02:23:21,280 --> 02:23:24,240
repair in the city and so um

3718
02:23:24,240 --> 02:23:25,200
>> Yeah. Okay.

3719
02:23:25,200 --> 02:23:25,600
>> Yeah.

3720
02:23:25,600 --> 02:23:29,120
>> I just didn't want And then I did want

3721
02:23:29,120 --> 02:23:31,760
to comment to just about on the code

3722
02:23:31,760 --> 02:23:34,479
here. It says all storage shall occur

3723
02:23:34,479 --> 02:23:36,399
entirely within the closed storage

3724
02:23:36,399 --> 02:23:38,960
units. Outdoor storage is prohibited.

3725
02:23:38,960 --> 02:23:42,000
Um, like I said, we are an old city and

3726
02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:44,640
there were two lots in specifically that

3727
02:23:44,640 --> 02:23:46,800
had an unbelievable number of vehicles

3728
02:23:46,800 --> 02:23:49,280
being stored on them and it was against

3729
02:23:49,280 --> 02:23:50,960
our city code, but it needed to be

3730
02:23:50,960 --> 02:23:53,040
enforced and have them all removed. One

3731
02:23:53,040 --> 02:23:54,960
of them is currently like in the process

3732
02:23:54,960 --> 02:23:57,200
of being developed into senior living.

3733
02:23:57,200 --> 02:23:59,760
And another one um was a few years ago.

3734
02:23:59,760 --> 02:24:01,840
I I wasn't on city council, so I don't

3735
02:24:01,840 --> 02:24:04,479
know what that process was, but having

3736
02:24:04,479 --> 02:24:09,359
cars and junk stored out out of sight is

3737
02:24:09,359 --> 02:24:12,640
a huge bonus for the city.

3738
02:24:12,640 --> 02:24:16,160
So, um I I I greatly favor that one

3739
02:24:16,160 --> 02:24:18,240
element right there. Number n, if we

3740
02:24:18,240 --> 02:24:20,000
could enforce that on all residents, I

3741
02:24:20,000 --> 02:24:21,600
can't imagine how some yards could get

3742
02:24:21,600 --> 02:24:24,000
cleaned up. But nevertheless, this is

3743
02:24:24,000 --> 02:24:26,080
not we don't need to do that or we can't

3744
02:24:26,080 --> 02:24:28,880
do that. So, um there was that. And then

3745
02:24:28,880 --> 02:24:31,600
lastly, I was uh very curious. I have

3746
02:24:31,600 --> 02:24:33,359
three people that I know who are very

3747
02:24:33,359 --> 02:24:35,760
much into exotic cars. They were unaware

3748
02:24:35,760 --> 02:24:37,760
of your project, but super excited about

3749
02:24:37,760 --> 02:24:39,920
it. They reached out to a couple people

3750
02:24:39,920 --> 02:24:42,240
in their circle, and there's just been

3751
02:24:42,240 --> 02:24:44,960
just a lot of positive about how, you

3752
02:24:44,960 --> 02:24:50,000
know, um this is needed um and how that

3753
02:24:50,000 --> 02:24:53,760
group of people just is is a very uh

3754
02:24:53,760 --> 02:24:56,319
what do I want to say? They're like we

3755
02:24:56,319 --> 02:24:57,600
talked about about the library, they

3756
02:24:57,600 --> 02:25:00,000
benefit the whole community. They like

3757
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:01,600
allow people to drive away in their

3758
02:25:01,600 --> 02:25:03,280
fancy cars when they get married or they

3759
02:25:03,280 --> 02:25:05,120
bring their cars to the car shows and

3760
02:25:05,120 --> 02:25:07,040
they're very community-minded people in

3761
02:25:07,040 --> 02:25:09,280
general. So, I was excited to see that

3762
02:25:09,280 --> 02:25:11,280
group of people be excited about this

3763
02:25:11,280 --> 02:25:13,600
project specifically. So, I just wanted

3764
02:25:13,600 --> 02:25:16,160
to share that with the council just um

3765
02:25:16,160 --> 02:25:18,319
and last comment and then we're moving

3766
02:25:18,319 --> 02:25:24,479
on to Mr. um Mr. Andrew. But um in

3767
02:25:24,479 --> 02:25:26,240
reaching out to that group, I didn't ask

3768
02:25:26,240 --> 02:25:28,960
for any solicitation, but the the fact

3769
02:25:28,960 --> 02:25:31,920
that they saw stack on the name then

3770
02:25:31,920 --> 02:25:33,520
they they really were very impressed

3771
02:25:33,520 --> 02:25:35,280
with your prior projects that you've

3772
02:25:35,280 --> 02:25:37,760
been working on. So that gave me more uh

3773
02:25:37,760 --> 02:25:40,000
confidence that what we see is what we

3774
02:25:40,000 --> 02:25:42,000
get and this isn't like a a bait and

3775
02:25:42,000 --> 02:25:42,960
switch. So

3776
02:25:42,960 --> 02:25:43,680
>> Well, thank you.

3777
02:25:43,680 --> 02:25:45,359
>> You have a good reputation and I didn't

3778
02:25:45,359 --> 02:25:47,120
even ask for that insight from the

3779
02:25:47,120 --> 02:25:49,920
person I was speaking with. So I'm done.

3780
02:25:49,920 --> 02:25:50,800
Thanks.

3781
02:25:50,800 --> 02:25:52,160
>> Very kind. Thank you.

3782
02:25:52,160 --> 02:25:56,479
>> That was good. Um, yeah, between uh the

3783
02:25:56,479 --> 02:25:58,560
library and this, we've touched the

3784
02:25:58,560 --> 02:26:01,120
heartstrings of a demographic of women

3785
02:26:01,120 --> 02:26:04,800
and now a demographic of man cave men.

3786
02:26:04,800 --> 02:26:05,359
>> Is that right?

3787
02:26:05,359 --> 02:26:06,640
>> We got them all.

3788
02:26:06,640 --> 02:26:07,600
>> Men like to read.

3789
02:26:07,600 --> 02:26:08,479
>> Yeah, I like books.

3790
02:26:08,479 --> 02:26:10,240
>> Oh, man. You see how many men were here

3791
02:26:10,240 --> 02:26:12,399
for the library?

3792
02:26:12,399 --> 02:26:13,600
>> You know how many men want to put a

3793
02:26:13,600 --> 02:26:14,000
portion?

3794
02:26:14,000 --> 02:26:16,080
>> We're not We're not We're not Mr. Doxy

3795
02:26:16,080 --> 02:26:18,399
is going to be start making derogatory

3796
02:26:18,399 --> 02:26:19,600
comments about gender. Okay,

3797
02:26:19,600 --> 02:26:21,120
>> this is I I don't mean to downplay it.

3798
02:26:21,120 --> 02:26:23,600
This is massively important. This is a

3799
02:26:23,600 --> 02:26:25,439
hundred-year decision. That's why I'm

3800
02:26:25,439 --> 02:26:28,000
weighing it so important.

3801
02:26:28,000 --> 02:26:32,640
>> Uh, as it stands right now, um, it's

3802
02:26:32,640 --> 02:26:35,520
very murky. Okay. Oh, actually, let me

3803
02:26:35,520 --> 02:26:37,840
just back up just a hair because this

3804
02:26:37,840 --> 02:26:40,160
came up four months ago. So, we've been

3805
02:26:40,160 --> 02:26:41,840
doing four months of research and even

3806
02:26:41,840 --> 02:26:43,920
at the very beginning, this was murky

3807
02:26:43,920 --> 02:26:47,359
because we've got storage units and then

3808
02:26:47,359 --> 02:26:49,040
we've got what we're what we're actually

3809
02:26:49,040 --> 02:26:51,120
deciding on which is to change the

3810
02:26:51,120 --> 02:26:53,760
Alpine code. It's not that we're

3811
02:26:53,760 --> 02:26:57,600
approving or disapproving this project.

3812
02:26:57,600 --> 02:27:00,000
We are changing the Alpine commercial

3813
02:27:00,000 --> 02:27:03,920
zoning to be able to allow storage units

3814
02:27:03,920 --> 02:27:06,319
in the business commercial zone. Okay.

3815
02:27:06,319 --> 02:27:07,760
So, it's kind of like a backwards step

3816
02:27:07,760 --> 02:27:10,399
to approving the project. That took me a

3817
02:27:10,399 --> 02:27:14,160
while to uh really capture and but for

3818
02:27:14,160 --> 02:27:17,359
some reason we need to address them both

3819
02:27:17,359 --> 02:27:20,399
because you've got the project, the

3820
02:27:20,399 --> 02:27:22,240
storage units, so the luxury condo

3821
02:27:22,240 --> 02:27:24,960
garages, which would be the byproduct of

3822
02:27:24,960 --> 02:27:27,280
approving this code.

3823
02:27:27,280 --> 02:27:29,680
Uh, okay. Okay. So, so I've I went

3824
02:27:29,680 --> 02:27:30,880
through the code and I'm going to bring

3825
02:27:30,880 --> 02:27:33,359
that up a little bit later, but just in

3826
02:27:33,359 --> 02:27:36,640
short and Chrissy and everyone like even

3827
02:27:36,640 --> 02:27:38,880
if we were to do anything on this, this

3828
02:27:38,880 --> 02:27:41,359
code is riddled with spelling errors,

3829
02:27:41,359 --> 02:27:44,880
number errors, and things that are going

3830
02:27:44,880 --> 02:27:46,800
to take a lot. This has nothing to do

3831
02:27:46,800 --> 02:27:49,040
with you or stack or the storage units,

3832
02:27:49,040 --> 02:27:51,040
just the code. So, we're talking like

3833
02:27:51,040 --> 02:27:53,280
legislators right now. And I didn't

3834
02:27:53,280 --> 02:27:55,680
understand this. When we're making a

3835
02:27:55,680 --> 02:27:58,880
decision to change the code, there is no

3836
02:27:58,880 --> 02:28:02,560
law that is telling us what to do. We

3837
02:28:02,560 --> 02:28:05,120
only really have one Bible, and people

3838
02:28:05,120 --> 02:28:06,319
get off track when they use their own

3839
02:28:06,319 --> 02:28:08,560
opinions. It's the Alpine City Plan.

3840
02:28:08,560 --> 02:28:10,399
This is what's supposed to instruct us

3841
02:28:10,399 --> 02:28:12,560
on what laws to let happen. So, we're

3842
02:28:12,560 --> 02:28:15,040
talking about the law. Um, this is

3843
02:28:15,040 --> 02:28:18,319
legislative. So, we're creating law for

3844
02:28:18,319 --> 02:28:20,319
what we want the identity and the look

3845
02:28:20,319 --> 02:28:21,840
and feel of Alpine to be. You could kind

3846
02:28:21,840 --> 02:28:24,800
of get down to the bottom of this as as

3847
02:28:24,800 --> 02:28:26,720
a lawmaker, do we think Alpine should

3848
02:28:26,720 --> 02:28:28,560
have this? Like that's basically because

3849
02:28:28,560 --> 02:28:30,240
we're making a law to allow it. Does

3850
02:28:30,240 --> 02:28:32,560
this fit in Alpine? That's like kind of

3851
02:28:32,560 --> 02:28:36,399
what the real decision we're making. Um

3852
02:28:36,399 --> 02:28:38,399
anyways, so the the code's just not

3853
02:28:38,399 --> 02:28:40,800
ready. Like I read through it. It

3854
02:28:40,800 --> 02:28:42,479
doesn't even spell luxury, right? It

3855
02:28:42,479 --> 02:28:44,479
doesn't even put the number 13, right?

3856
02:28:44,479 --> 02:28:47,120
It's supposed to be 12. You're saying

3857
02:28:47,120 --> 02:28:48,640
you're going to add stuff to the code

3858
02:28:48,640 --> 02:28:53,120
that's not even there. There's no way. I don't even know how if you were for

3859
02:28:53,120 --> 02:28:57,359
against this you would even vote. And I'm not trying to persuade. I'm just

3860
02:28:57,359 --> 02:28:59,920
saying I don't know how we vote on this

3861
02:28:59,920 --> 02:29:02,160
in its current state. That's code. Let

3862
02:29:02,160 --> 02:29:04,160
me get to the actual opinions and the

3863
02:29:04,160 --> 02:29:05,760
residents and everything is make one

3864
02:29:05,760 --> 02:29:06,800
quick comment. Yes, please. Please.

3865
02:29:06,800 --> 02:29:08,880
>> So there are some typographical errors

3866
02:29:08,880 --> 02:29:10,800
and it's not even numbered correctly. It

3867
02:29:10,800 --> 02:29:12,160
should be it's under the dog.

3868
02:29:12,160 --> 02:29:13,920
>> Right. Right. It's under the dogs. So

3869
02:29:13,920 --> 02:29:15,359
>> that that happens quite often there.

3870
02:29:15,359 --> 02:29:17,359
Yeah. It just it's a typographical error

3871
02:29:17,359 --> 02:29:19,680
that those are all be fixed. It'll be

3872
02:29:19,680 --> 02:29:21,439
reviewed by the attorney

3873
02:29:21,439 --> 02:29:22,479
>> um before

3874
02:29:22,479 --> 02:29:24,399
>> right and it's not just that there's the

3875
02:29:24,399 --> 02:29:26,240
mile thing but I'll get to that in a

3876
02:29:26,240 --> 02:29:27,120
minute but just

3877
02:29:27,120 --> 02:29:29,840
>> and come in an ordinance format. So yeah

3878
02:29:29,840 --> 02:29:30,160
it's

3879
02:29:30,160 --> 02:29:30,880
>> okay

3880
02:29:30,880 --> 02:29:33,120
>> and it's not even a up for a vote

3881
02:29:33,120 --> 02:29:33,680
tonight.

3882
02:29:33,680 --> 02:29:36,640
>> This is discussion only.

3883
02:29:36,640 --> 02:29:38,479
>> on the agenda as a discuss how much

3884
02:29:38,479 --> 02:29:40,240
sleep I've lost. Well, that's the new

3885
02:29:40,240 --> 02:29:41,040
that's this new

3886
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:42,560
>> I would have had a better night just

3887
02:29:42,560 --> 02:29:43,520
thinking this was discussion.

3888
02:29:43,520 --> 02:29:45,200
>> That's new procedure that we talked

3889
02:29:45,200 --> 02:29:46,240
about at the beginning of the meeting.

3890
02:29:46,240 --> 02:29:48,000
>> Yeah. Bring up bring up your question.

3891
02:29:48,000 --> 02:29:50,080
>> I apologize as I was trying to focus on

3892
02:29:50,080 --> 02:29:52,000
the code and the residence. I missed the

3893
02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:53,040
word discussion.

3894
02:29:53,040 --> 02:29:54,479
>> You're totally fine. No problem.

3895
02:29:54,479 --> 02:29:55,920
>> Okay. Well, I try to take it serious

3896
02:29:55,920 --> 02:29:57,200
when we're making a decision that our

3897
02:29:57,200 --> 02:29:58,800
great grandchildren are have going to

3898
02:29:58,800 --> 02:30:01,200
get the consequence of. Um, so anyways,

3899
02:30:01,200 --> 02:30:02,720
I I'll finish up and then it's up to you

3900
02:30:02,720 --> 02:30:04,560
guys. Okay. Uh, thank you for that

3901
02:30:04,560 --> 02:30:06,960
clarification and the those uh spelling

3902
02:30:06,960 --> 02:30:09,520
and errors and things like that that we

3903
02:30:09,520 --> 02:30:12,720
could help with. Um,

3904
02:30:12,720 --> 02:30:16,160
okay. Uh,

3905
02:30:16,160 --> 02:30:18,880
I would like to talk about two things if

3906
02:30:18,880 --> 02:30:20,080
that's okay. Y

3907
02:30:20,080 --> 02:30:21,439
>> and I think they would be helpful and I

3908
02:30:21,439 --> 02:30:24,160
sounds like you're getting some of it as

3909
02:30:24,160 --> 02:30:26,960
I always do. I do the same formula. Does

3910
02:30:26,960 --> 02:30:28,880
this fit the identity of Alpine? Does

3911
02:30:28,880 --> 02:30:31,120
this have um the consent of the

3912
02:30:31,120 --> 02:30:32,960
governed? I don't choose everyone. And I

3913
02:30:32,960 --> 02:30:34,240
choose the people who live and are most

3914
02:30:34,240 --> 02:30:35,840
negatively impacted because as you saw

3915
02:30:35,840 --> 02:30:37,600
with those circles, they feel very

3916
02:30:37,600 --> 02:30:39,120
different about an issue. And I can

3917
02:30:39,120 --> 02:30:41,359
almost get a yes to anything. If I go to

3918
02:30:41,359 --> 02:30:43,040
someone 50 miles away from something and

3919
02:30:43,040 --> 02:30:44,960
hey, do you guys want that jail in that

3920
02:30:44,960 --> 02:30:46,319
city over there? They're going to I

3921
02:30:46,319 --> 02:30:47,920
don't care. So I go to the people right

3922
02:30:47,920 --> 02:30:49,439
next to it and they are the ones who

3923
02:30:49,439 --> 02:30:52,720
protect their neighborhood the best. Um

3924
02:30:52,720 --> 02:30:54,720
I went to two neighborhoods, okay?

3925
02:30:54,720 --> 02:30:57,120
Obviously the neighborhood surrounding

3926
02:30:57,120 --> 02:31:00,000
this project and then I went to other

3927
02:31:00,000 --> 02:31:01,439
neighborhoods. Well, because they're

3928
02:31:01,439 --> 02:31:02,720
right next to each other that already

3929
02:31:02,720 --> 02:31:05,840
have these in place. Um, so maybe Heidi,

3930
02:31:05,840 --> 02:31:07,760
would you mind bringing up a couple of

3931
02:31:07,760 --> 02:31:09,200
the images? Because I didn't know what I

3932
02:31:09,200 --> 02:31:10,399
was going to hear. And when I go to

3933
02:31:10,399 --> 02:31:13,280
people, I do not frame things and I do

3934
02:31:13,280 --> 02:31:15,920
not persuade them. I ask them, "Hey,

3935
02:31:15,920 --> 02:31:17,600
this is being proposed. How do you feel

3936
02:31:17,600 --> 02:31:21,030
about it?"

3937
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:22,640
» Oh, sorry. If you press the little box

3938
02:31:22,640 --> 02:31:24,000
thing up in the top right, it'll show

3939
02:31:24,000 --> 02:31:25,200
the image. But you can look at any of

3940
02:31:25,200 --> 02:31:28,880
them. You can look at any of them.

3941
02:31:28,880 --> 02:31:30,960
So, this is this is where I went and I

3942
02:31:30,960 --> 02:31:35,040
tried to find um

3943
02:31:35,040 --> 02:31:37,520
a similar situation and I wanted to see

3944
02:31:37,520 --> 02:31:39,920
how it was in practice. Okay, you can go

3945
02:31:39,920 --> 02:31:42,960
to the other ones. Um and oh yeah,

3946
02:31:42,960 --> 02:31:44,800
that's fine. One of those you can go

3947
02:31:44,800 --> 02:31:47,120
back or whatever. You can pause. I I

3948
02:31:47,120 --> 02:31:48,880
don't know if it's playing like a loop.

3949
02:31:48,880 --> 02:31:51,280
Wow, that was good.

3950
02:31:51,280 --> 02:31:53,040
>> You can just leave it there. That's all.

3951
02:31:53,040 --> 02:31:54,319
>> That's fine. You can kind of see them

3952
02:31:54,319 --> 02:31:56,800
all. So, there's there's two. There's a

3953
02:31:56,800 --> 02:31:59,120
storage unit just like this and then

3954
02:31:59,120 --> 02:32:02,720
there's one that's actually just just like this. I don't know if you guys

3955
02:32:02,720 --> 02:32:04,560
did it in Bluffdale that looks exactly

3956
02:32:04,560 --> 02:32:05,760
the same. I don't know if it's someone

3957
02:32:05,760 --> 02:32:07,040
else and

3958
02:32:07,040 --> 02:32:07,760
>> someone else.

3959
02:32:07,760 --> 02:32:09,280
>> Okay. And there people are renting them.

3960
02:32:09,280 --> 02:32:10,399
They buy them and then they rent them.

3961
02:32:10,399 --> 02:32:12,080
So I guess the algorithm got me and they

3962
02:32:12,080 --> 02:32:13,280
started asking me if I wanted to rent

3963
02:32:13,280 --> 02:32:13,520
them.

3964
02:32:13,520 --> 02:32:14,560
>> Okay.

3965
02:32:14,560 --> 02:32:15,920
>> The I didn't know you could.

3966
02:32:15,920 --> 02:32:17,600
>> This one's in Bluffale. The one that you

3967
02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:20,080
show me. That one they also uh the

3968
02:32:20,080 --> 02:32:22,160
difference I guess between the two is we

3969
02:32:22,160 --> 02:32:24,160
were not allowing businesses to operate

3970
02:32:24,160 --> 02:32:26,000
out of them where this one does.

3971
02:32:26,000 --> 02:32:28,080
So, I was looking through and my goal

3972
02:32:28,080 --> 02:32:31,840
was to find out because I actually know

3973
02:32:31,840 --> 02:32:34,960
the people who own this and I've talked

3974
02:32:34,960 --> 02:32:36,399
deeply with them. I've visited with them

3975
02:32:36,399 --> 02:32:38,080
and I understand the struggle on their

3976
02:32:38,080 --> 02:32:41,280
end of being caught up in a situation

3977
02:32:41,280 --> 02:32:43,600
that has gone on for a very long time.

3978
02:32:43,600 --> 02:32:44,800
But then I wanted to hear from the

3979
02:32:44,800 --> 02:32:46,319
residents and I shared and he actually

3980
02:32:46,319 --> 02:32:48,800
appreciated what I was trying to do by

3981
02:32:48,800 --> 02:32:50,160
going and visiting the residents. He

3982
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:52,000
actually said thank you because a lot of

3983
02:32:52,000 --> 02:32:53,840
the things he didn't know. Anyways, the

3984
02:32:53,840 --> 02:32:55,359
residents in Alpine and the residents of

3985
02:32:55,359 --> 02:32:57,200
Bluffell have brought up some deep

3986
02:32:57,200 --> 02:32:59,120
concerns that aren't addressed in any of

3987
02:32:59,120 --> 02:33:01,680
this code. Um, they're just not

3988
02:33:01,680 --> 02:33:04,720
addressed. So, would you like me to send

3989
02:33:04,720 --> 02:33:06,319
those to him or would you like me to

3990
02:33:06,319 --> 02:33:09,439
bring those concerns up?

3991
02:33:09,439 --> 02:33:16,309
>> Okay.

3992
02:33:16,319 --> 02:33:18,319
» Yeah, that's okay.

3993
02:33:18,319 --> 02:33:20,960
So, um,

3994
02:33:20,960 --> 02:33:23,520
like, okay, here we go. Let's bring them

3995
02:33:23,520 --> 02:33:26,479
up.

3996
02:33:26,479 --> 02:33:28,720
Uh, let's see. Under any condition,

3997
02:33:28,720 --> 02:33:30,640
storage units are not considered a

3998
02:33:30,640 --> 02:33:33,280
transitional or light intensity use.

3999
02:33:33,280 --> 02:33:35,040
They should not be placed in locations

4000
02:33:35,040 --> 02:33:37,520
that are adjacent to lighter intensity

4001
02:33:37,520 --> 02:33:40,160
uses, such as a single family

4002
02:33:40,160 --> 02:33:42,240
residential.

4003
02:33:42,240 --> 02:33:45,280
Um, we're creating a plan. It says,

4004
02:33:45,280 --> 02:33:47,120
"However, that plan does not contemplate

4005
02:33:47,120 --> 02:33:48,880
the land north of City Hall. So, we're

4006
02:33:48,880 --> 02:33:53,120
doing a plan right now for our gateways.

4007
02:33:53,120 --> 02:33:55,280
It doesn't include any of this area, and

4008
02:33:55,280 --> 02:33:58,479
yet we're about to make a decision that

4009
02:33:58,479 --> 02:34:00,479
we have no plan for." So, this will

4010
02:34:00,479 --> 02:34:02,880
essentially dictate the plan. And so,

4011
02:34:02,880 --> 02:34:04,479
this resident is bringing up, why aren't

4012
02:34:04,479 --> 02:34:05,840
you creating a plan before you're

4013
02:34:05,840 --> 02:34:08,960
putting in big infrastructure into the

4014
02:34:08,960 --> 02:34:13,280
uh into um this area? And he recommends

4015
02:34:13,280 --> 02:34:16,319
waiting. is brilliant guy resident. I I

4016
02:34:16,319 --> 02:34:17,920
can't even believe how brilliant he he

4017
02:34:17,920 --> 02:34:19,520
recommends waiting to do a plan before

4018
02:34:19,520 --> 02:34:24,080
you would do something like this. Um

4019
02:34:24,080 --> 02:34:27,439
uh let's see the long connected building

4020
02:34:27,439 --> 02:34:30,800
feels very heavy against the roadway. I

4021
02:34:30,800 --> 02:34:32,640
experienced this when I went to Bluff

4022
02:34:32,640 --> 02:34:35,120
and talked to residents and walked by

4023
02:34:35,120 --> 02:34:37,359
them and lived by them sort of for a day

4024
02:34:37,359 --> 02:34:39,200
with my family in the car like what are

4025
02:34:39,200 --> 02:34:41,439
you doing? Shh. I'm I'm looking at

4026
02:34:41,439 --> 02:34:44,399
storage communities.

4027
02:34:44,399 --> 02:34:46,800
They think I'm nuts. Okay, so anyways,

4028
02:34:46,800 --> 02:34:49,040
um

4029
02:34:49,040 --> 02:34:52,000
it it's it's it's

4030
02:34:52,000 --> 02:34:54,080
I don't it's borderline like being next

4031
02:34:54,080 --> 02:34:56,880
to a jail or like a Holocaust camp or

4032
02:34:56,880 --> 02:34:58,160
something. Sorry, I don't know how to

4033
02:34:58,160 --> 02:35:00,160
say it. You don't I I I don't mean

4034
02:35:00,160 --> 02:35:03,040
Holocaust. I mean Sorry. I I I'm not

4035
02:35:03,040 --> 02:35:04,880
trying to be I'm not like basically my

4036
02:35:04,880 --> 02:35:06,640
goal is to get you to try to compromise

4037
02:35:06,640 --> 02:35:08,560
and then they have to be okay with it

4038
02:35:08,560 --> 02:35:11,439
where they live. But but it it's big

4039
02:35:11,439 --> 02:35:15,520
brick brrawy walls. It is not everyone

4040
02:35:15,520 --> 02:35:17,200
when they run they all say we want to

4041
02:35:17,200 --> 02:35:18,800
keep Alpar in Alpine. We want to you

4042
02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:20,479
know preserve Alpine. I want to keep the

4043
02:35:20,479 --> 02:35:22,800
but then they never do it. This is not

4044
02:35:22,800 --> 02:35:24,399
it. And he's bringing it up that this

4045
02:35:24,399 --> 02:35:25,920
like when I walked through there I am

4046
02:35:25,920 --> 02:35:28,640
not in Alpine on this wall. I am not

4047
02:35:28,640 --> 02:35:32,560
even in Bluff. I'm in I'm in

4048
02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:35,760
I have no idea west west Salt Lake um or

4049
02:35:35,760 --> 02:35:38,000
West Pro. Anyways, that's that was that

4050
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:39,920
was this resident as proposed.

4051
02:35:39,920 --> 02:35:41,439
>> Can you pull up that facade? Do you have

4052
02:35:41,439 --> 02:35:42,720
a picture of that? That'd be awesome

4053
02:35:42,720 --> 02:35:43,120
just to look.

4054
02:35:43,120 --> 02:35:44,479
>> Well, there's several. You can pick up

4055
02:35:44,479 --> 02:35:45,840
pull up any of them.

4056
02:35:45,840 --> 02:35:47,600
>> But um third or fourth one,

4057
02:35:47,600 --> 02:35:49,120
>> but and yeah, and that leads to the

4058
02:35:49,120 --> 02:35:51,920
other thing. I don't know how because

4059
02:35:51,920 --> 02:35:53,840
I'm I'm jocking back and forth between

4060
02:35:53,840 --> 02:35:55,760
the code we're possibly changing

4061
02:35:55,760 --> 02:35:57,200
>> right there. So, it's on the left.

4062
02:35:57,200 --> 02:35:59,120
>> Okay. I'm jocking back and forth between

4063
02:35:59,120 --> 02:36:00,800
the code we're looking at potentially

4064
02:36:00,800 --> 02:36:03,600
changing and the proposed

4065
02:36:03,600 --> 02:36:05,760
storage unit facility. Okay. And I'm

4066
02:36:05,760 --> 02:36:07,040
going to get to the specific residence,

4067
02:36:07,040 --> 02:36:08,720
then finally the Bluffell ones, and then

4068
02:36:08,720 --> 02:36:10,479
I'll be done, so I I won't take too much

4069
02:36:10,479 --> 02:36:13,920
longer. Um

4070
02:36:13,920 --> 02:36:16,479
the the um now I've lost my train of

4071
02:36:16,479 --> 02:36:18,319
thought, but either way, yes, walking in

4072
02:36:18,319 --> 02:36:21,359
there, it is not the nature of Alpine.

4073
02:36:21,359 --> 02:36:23,359
It does not feel And then I talked to

4074
02:36:23,359 --> 02:36:25,840
the residents. How is it living by it?

4075
02:36:25,840 --> 02:36:28,080
How is it being by this? And they gave a

4076
02:36:28,080 --> 02:36:31,040
lot of feedback. I'll explain um very

4077
02:36:31,040 --> 02:36:32,960
shortly. But as proposed, the code

4078
02:36:32,960 --> 02:36:34,720
change would allow storage units on any

4079
02:36:34,720 --> 02:36:36,399
commercialized zone property in the

4080
02:36:36,399 --> 02:36:38,640
city. Which which is weird because in

4081
02:36:38,640 --> 02:36:40,800
our code, we're saying let's just make a

4082
02:36:40,800 --> 02:36:42,880
limit of every mile, right? We're just

4083
02:36:42,880 --> 02:36:45,280
saying every mile. Why even put that in

4084
02:36:45,280 --> 02:36:46,960
if we're going to try to block it from

4085
02:36:46,960 --> 02:36:49,120
any other location? Why not just say

4086
02:36:49,120 --> 02:36:51,200
it's only in one location? Why like open

4087
02:36:51,200 --> 02:36:53,680
the doors for someone to uh and it's

4088
02:36:53,680 --> 02:36:55,040
only against Main Street? Does that

4089
02:36:55,040 --> 02:36:58,479
include um Alpine Highway? Like I I just

4090
02:36:58,479 --> 02:37:00,000
it doesn't make sense why we're even

4091
02:37:00,000 --> 02:37:01,680
putting that in. So that's not a

4092
02:37:01,680 --> 02:37:04,640
grammatical or a or a number error. That

4093
02:37:04,640 --> 02:37:07,040
is an error in uh we haven't thought it

4094
02:37:07,040 --> 02:37:08,720
through. Just like the 720 number, no

4095
02:37:08,720 --> 02:37:10,640
one has thought that through and knows

4096
02:37:10,640 --> 02:37:13,200
what 720 looks like versus 400. So

4097
02:37:13,200 --> 02:37:14,560
anyways, as proposed, the city change

4098
02:37:14,560 --> 02:37:16,000
would allow storage units on any

4099
02:37:16,000 --> 02:37:17,840
commercialized zone property in the

4100
02:37:17,840 --> 02:37:19,520
city. This with those small

4101
02:37:19,520 --> 02:37:20,960
restrictions, this would allow storage

4102
02:37:20,960 --> 02:37:23,280
units on the balance of the under

4103
02:37:23,280 --> 02:37:25,520
undeveloped portions of Alpine City uh

4104
02:37:25,520 --> 02:37:28,080
art center property. As such, the

4105
02:37:28,080 --> 02:37:29,680
effects of this code change could have a

4106
02:37:29,680 --> 02:37:31,439
far greater impact on the community than

4107
02:37:31,439 --> 02:37:33,680
just the purple building location. In

4108
02:37:33,680 --> 02:37:35,439
your land used authority role, you make

4109
02:37:35,439 --> 02:37:36,880
decisions that will substantially

4110
02:37:36,880 --> 02:37:38,960
outlive each of you. This is like that

4111
02:37:38,960 --> 02:37:41,040
should be ingrained in cement or on a

4112
02:37:41,040 --> 02:37:44,399
rock in our in our um in our uh hall

4113
02:37:44,399 --> 02:37:46,720
here. This is not a transitional area. A

4114
02:37:46,720 --> 02:37:48,399
specific proposal should not be the

4115
02:37:48,399 --> 02:37:50,240
reason to make a decision because while

4116
02:37:50,240 --> 02:37:52,080
some businesses succeed, others fail.

4117
02:37:52,080 --> 02:37:53,840
This was my number one. I was the only

4118
02:37:53,840 --> 02:37:55,120
resident at the planning commission.

4119
02:37:55,120 --> 02:37:57,600
Like that that resident input that was

4120
02:37:57,600 --> 02:37:59,520
me. You know how I said it doesn't match

4121
02:37:59,520 --> 02:38:02,080
the Alpine identity? If you're close,

4122
02:38:02,080 --> 02:38:03,760
you'll figure out who that was. I was

4123
02:38:03,760 --> 02:38:05,120
the only resident and I didn't know it

4124
02:38:05,120 --> 02:38:07,840
was coming up. And why would we be

4125
02:38:07,840 --> 02:38:11,280
making code off of one

4126
02:38:11,280 --> 02:38:13,280
project? That that seems so backwards.

4127
02:38:13,280 --> 02:38:15,040
We should be making a universal code. So

4128
02:38:15,040 --> 02:38:17,760
I think that the whole the whole path is

4129
02:38:17,760 --> 02:38:21,120
flawed. Um that's one resident. There

4130
02:38:21,120 --> 02:38:24,800
are 36 others. There were 64 and they

4131
02:38:24,800 --> 02:38:26,880
all hit me up in the last day or two and

4132
02:38:26,880 --> 02:38:28,800
most of their emails were copies of each

4133
02:38:28,800 --> 02:38:30,880
other, meaning someone is telling them.

4134
02:38:30,880 --> 02:38:33,040
These were individualized people. I had

4135
02:38:33,040 --> 02:38:35,200
every business located next to this

4136
02:38:35,200 --> 02:38:38,240
reach out pleading not to do it. The two

4137
02:38:38,240 --> 02:38:40,319
on both sides, the one across the two on

4138
02:38:40,319 --> 02:38:41,760
across the street and the one kitty

4139
02:38:41,760 --> 02:38:43,120
corner. So, every business leader

4140
02:38:43,120 --> 02:38:46,880
reached out. Um, dozens and dozens and

4141
02:38:46,880 --> 02:38:49,600
dozens of residents reached out. I think

4142
02:38:49,600 --> 02:38:51,359
you know where I'm getting. I cannot

4143
02:38:51,359 --> 02:38:53,760
support this just like I told you when

4144
02:38:53,760 --> 02:38:56,160
there are reasonable alternatives that

4145
02:38:56,160 --> 02:38:59,520
will still pencil moneywise. Okay, we

4146
02:38:59,520 --> 02:39:01,280
have a re Hold on. We have reasonable

4147
02:39:01,280 --> 02:39:03,359
alternatives on the list that are

4148
02:39:03,359 --> 02:39:05,840
permitted use does fit the identity of

4149
02:39:05,840 --> 02:39:10,080
Alpine and does meet the positive impact

4150
02:39:10,080 --> 02:39:11,439
of residents. I'm not talking about

4151
02:39:11,439 --> 02:39:13,280
parks. I'm not talking about community

4152
02:39:13,280 --> 02:39:14,479
centers. I'm not talking about

4153
02:39:14,479 --> 02:39:17,280
nonprofits. I'm talking about profitable

4154
02:39:17,280 --> 02:39:18,880
endeavors. And I've done the numbers on

4155
02:39:18,880 --> 02:39:20,240
some and they do work. And I brought

4156
02:39:20,240 --> 02:39:22,000
these up with the owner and they do

4157
02:39:22,000 --> 02:39:24,160
work. And so that's where I'm missing

4158
02:39:24,160 --> 02:39:25,120
the flexibility.

4159
02:39:25,120 --> 02:39:26,080
>> Do you have a list of those? Because

4160
02:39:26,080 --> 02:39:28,319
that would be helpful for us took a lot

4161
02:39:28,319 --> 02:39:29,760
of work to do. I had to do numbers. I

4162
02:39:29,760 --> 02:39:31,520
had to walk cemeteries. I had to walk

4163
02:39:31,520 --> 02:39:33,120
housing lots. I had to see how many

4164
02:39:33,120 --> 02:39:35,200
could fit. I had to use AI to figure out

4165
02:39:35,200 --> 02:39:36,640
does this pencil I got up to $21

4166
02:39:36,640 --> 02:39:39,200
million. So there is a way to make this

4167
02:39:39,200 --> 02:39:42,640
profitable with permitted uses. And I

4168
02:39:42,640 --> 02:39:44,080
have not received flexibility. I met

4169
02:39:44,080 --> 02:39:46,000
with you guys in person and I didn't

4170
02:39:46,000 --> 02:39:47,760
receive any flexibility of any other

4171
02:39:47,760 --> 02:39:49,600
capacity that we could do that would

4172
02:39:49,600 --> 02:39:51,920
uplift that area of alpine. I received

4173
02:39:51,920 --> 02:39:53,359
basically a brick wall just like this

4174
02:39:53,359 --> 02:39:55,439
one. No, this is what we do. This is all

4175
02:39:55,439 --> 02:39:58,399
we do. So anyways,

4176
02:39:58,399 --> 02:40:01,040
there's 36 more residents. I will

4177
02:40:01,040 --> 02:40:02,560
respond to them. ones that live right

4178
02:40:02,560 --> 02:40:04,399
next to it, ones that live all around.

4179
02:40:04,399 --> 02:40:06,720
Concerned about everything from safety

4180
02:40:06,720 --> 02:40:09,120
that like they're worried about how

4181
02:40:09,120 --> 02:40:11,600
dense the hallways are, like meaning how

4182
02:40:11,600 --> 02:40:13,120
this wall, you can't see anything that

4183
02:40:13,120 --> 02:40:14,640
goes on back there. And this is the

4184
02:40:14,640 --> 02:40:15,920
residence right next to it. They're

4185
02:40:15,920 --> 02:40:16,880
worried about safety. They're worried

4186
02:40:16,880 --> 02:40:18,720
about fire concerns. They're worried

4187
02:40:18,720 --> 02:40:21,200
about you guys getting approved for this

4188
02:40:21,200 --> 02:40:23,280
and then selling it to someone else that

4189
02:40:23,280 --> 02:40:24,960
we don't know. But then the whole

4190
02:40:24,960 --> 02:40:27,920
ordinance has basically opened the door

4191
02:40:27,920 --> 02:40:30,720
and we are left with someone else. if

4192
02:40:30,720 --> 02:40:34,720
you guys sell the project. Um, lastly,

4193
02:40:34,720 --> 02:40:37,040
the residents from where this actually

4194
02:40:37,040 --> 02:40:38,800
exists, and I sent that to you. I hope

4195
02:40:38,800 --> 02:40:41,760
it was helpful. I did not know any of

4196
02:40:41,760 --> 02:40:44,479
the concerns. Much of their concerns

4197
02:40:44,479 --> 02:40:46,080
were, oh, and I'm sorry, I'll bring

4198
02:40:46,080 --> 02:40:47,439
these up because these are questions.

4199
02:40:47,439 --> 02:40:49,040
What should residents expect in terms of

4200
02:40:49,040 --> 02:40:50,319
duration, noise, impact in the

4201
02:40:50,319 --> 02:40:52,000
construction process? What measures will

4202
02:40:52,000 --> 02:40:53,600
be in place to prevent excessive noise

4203
02:40:53,600 --> 02:40:55,120
or disruptive activity? You've answered

4204
02:40:55,120 --> 02:40:56,560
some of that. What hours will the

4205
02:40:56,560 --> 02:40:58,960
storage units be units and garages be

4206
02:40:58,960 --> 02:41:00,399
accessible? Will there be landscaping

4207
02:41:00,399 --> 02:41:02,000
such as to? These are residents who

4208
02:41:02,000 --> 02:41:03,439
specifically asked to ask. The

4209
02:41:03,439 --> 02:41:05,040
renderings appear somewhat industrial in

4210
02:41:05,040 --> 02:41:06,479
appearance. Is there an opportunity for

4211
02:41:06,479 --> 02:41:08,479
improved design input including more

4212
02:41:08,479 --> 02:41:09,760
thoughtful paint colors and additional

4213
02:41:09,760 --> 02:41:11,439
landscapings to soften the look? Okay.

4214
02:41:11,439 --> 02:41:13,200
Anyways, the ones that are most helpful

4215
02:41:13,200 --> 02:41:15,040
the ones that are living there. So, I

4216
02:41:15,040 --> 02:41:17,680
started knocking doors and asking them,

4217
02:41:17,680 --> 02:41:20,640
uh, how is this to live by? And it went

4218
02:41:20,640 --> 02:41:22,080
from, well, it's not the prettiest

4219
02:41:22,080 --> 02:41:23,359
thing, and we're just glad it's not a

4220
02:41:23,359 --> 02:41:26,000
super high-rise apartment building. And

4221
02:41:26,000 --> 02:41:28,240
I'm like, man, we are so blessed that

4222
02:41:28,240 --> 02:41:30,800
that's how they think. And and and it

4223
02:41:30,800 --> 02:41:33,200
went all the way to I knocked on a door

4224
02:41:33,200 --> 02:41:35,120
and he's like, it was a wife and she

4225
02:41:35,120 --> 02:41:36,880
said, come in. My husband's on the

4226
02:41:36,880 --> 02:41:40,720
planning commission of Bluell. And I was

4227
02:41:40,720 --> 02:41:42,960
great. This guy knows the city lingo.

4228
02:41:42,960 --> 02:41:44,800
First question he asked me, this is the

4229
02:41:44,800 --> 02:41:46,960
first question he asked me. He didn't

4230
02:41:46,960 --> 02:41:48,640
ask. He said, "Wait, you guys are doing

4231
02:41:48,640 --> 02:41:50,479
storage units?" I said, "Well, it's

4232
02:41:50,479 --> 02:41:51,840
being proposed. What do you think?"

4233
02:41:51,840 --> 02:41:53,120
Because I don't want to I don't want to

4234
02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:56,640
make him biased. Um, and he said, "Hold

4235
02:41:56,640 --> 02:41:58,880
on. You're not changing your ordinance,

4236
02:41:58,880 --> 02:42:01,840
right?" And I was like, "Well, yes, that

4237
02:42:01,840 --> 02:42:03,439
is exactly what the proposal is." He

4238
02:42:03,439 --> 02:42:05,280
said, "Okay, we did this and now we're

4239
02:42:05,280 --> 02:42:07,120
trying to walk it all back because

4240
02:42:07,120 --> 02:42:09,200
there's dozens of these coming in." Now,

4241
02:42:09,200 --> 02:42:10,399
when he says dozens, they they

4242
02:42:10,399 --> 02:42:11,920
compartmentalize and fragment. As you

4243
02:42:11,920 --> 02:42:13,600
can see, these are two of them. Uh,

4244
02:42:13,600 --> 02:42:14,960
these are two separate ones here in

4245
02:42:14,960 --> 02:42:16,640
Bluffell. He says, "We're trying to walk

4246
02:42:16,640 --> 02:42:19,040
it back, and we can't walk it back. we

4247
02:42:19,040 --> 02:42:20,479
can't do anything about it because it's

4248
02:42:20,479 --> 02:42:23,520
now it's open rain and we're trying now

4249
02:42:23,520 --> 02:42:25,359
desperately to walk this back to gain

4250
02:42:25,359 --> 02:42:26,640
some sort of control. I think a lot of

4251
02:42:26,640 --> 02:42:28,319
cities are in this situation where

4252
02:42:28,319 --> 02:42:31,760
they've lost control of their city. Um

4253
02:42:31,760 --> 02:42:34,720
their next feedback was

4254
02:42:34,720 --> 02:42:36,800
they never build enough parking and

4255
02:42:36,800 --> 02:42:38,240
U-Hauls, which is interesting. You were

4256
02:42:38,240 --> 02:42:40,160
talking about U-Hauls. U-Hauls are

4257
02:42:40,160 --> 02:42:42,800
constantly there. The trucks dropping

4258
02:42:42,800 --> 02:42:44,399
things off, leaving things. And I

4259
02:42:44,399 --> 02:42:46,240
noticed from your design, it's very

4260
02:42:46,240 --> 02:42:47,920
similar. there's not a lot of space for

4261
02:42:47,920 --> 02:42:50,560
U-Hauls to get in there and like

4262
02:42:50,560 --> 02:42:52,240
navigate and if there's three or four or

4263
02:42:52,240 --> 02:42:54,160
two at the same time, there's no place

4264
02:42:54,160 --> 02:42:55,520
for them to unload. So, what happens is

4265
02:42:55,520 --> 02:42:57,040
it just ends up going on the street and

4266
02:42:57,040 --> 02:42:58,960
it's there for many many days. So, they

4267
02:42:58,960 --> 02:43:00,720
brought up the parking is not people

4268
02:43:00,720 --> 02:43:02,240
using it. The parking is when people are

4269
02:43:02,240 --> 02:43:04,560
loading and unloading. It becomes this

4270
02:43:04,560 --> 02:43:06,479
constant transient thing. I don't even

4271
02:43:06,479 --> 02:43:08,720
know how you load a portion there. Um,

4272
02:43:08,720 --> 02:43:10,880
but and then they brought up uh several

4273
02:43:10,880 --> 02:43:14,160
others that I can send to you. Um, which

4274
02:43:14,160 --> 02:43:17,600
were uh very much in the realm of I'm

4275
02:43:17,600 --> 02:43:19,280
trying to pull them up so I read them

4276
02:43:19,280 --> 02:43:23,359
identically or or read them exactly.

4277
02:43:23,359 --> 02:43:26,000
Um, but they were very much I have four

4278
02:43:26,000 --> 02:43:28,720
months of notes. I'm sorry. They're very

4279
02:43:28,720 --> 02:43:30,800
much in the realm of the sirens go off

4280
02:43:30,800 --> 02:43:32,880
and no one knows who's to who to call

4281
02:43:32,880 --> 02:43:34,240
because they have to be highly secure.

4282
02:43:34,240 --> 02:43:35,359
That's why they kind of look like a

4283
02:43:35,359 --> 02:43:37,359
jail. Um, and I don't mean that

4284
02:43:37,359 --> 02:43:39,760
demeaningly. I just mean you don't walk

4285
02:43:39,760 --> 02:43:41,680
around cities where things are so high

4286
02:43:41,680 --> 02:43:45,600
and so beefy. Um, so they say the sirens

4287
02:43:45,600 --> 02:43:47,840
go off, no one's there. They rent them

4288
02:43:47,840 --> 02:43:50,080
out to other people. People use them as

4289
02:43:50,080 --> 02:43:53,120
a segway to live in or to do basically

4290
02:43:53,120 --> 02:43:58,960
high high density commercial housing. So those those are what I gained from

4291
02:43:58,960 --> 02:44:02,319
them. The people who were for it were

4292
02:44:02,319 --> 02:44:05,760
about six guys all about our age. And I

4293
02:44:05,760 --> 02:44:07,439
know we're all have this thing wired in

4294
02:44:07,439 --> 02:44:09,040
us to make a man cave and fill it full

4295
02:44:09,040 --> 02:44:10,720
of all of our toys. I get it. I have

4296
02:44:10,720 --> 02:44:13,439
that chip as well. But we're also have a

4297
02:44:13,439 --> 02:44:15,279
chip to preserve a community, preserve

4298
02:44:15,279 --> 02:44:17,520
America, preserve Alpine. And we're

4299
02:44:17,520 --> 02:44:19,840
losing it. We're losing it. And this, I

4300
02:44:19,840 --> 02:44:22,160
know, is hard to find that connection.

4301
02:44:22,160 --> 02:44:24,319
But this is a piece of how we lose it

4302
02:44:24,319 --> 02:44:25,600
because if you go to the communities

4303
02:44:25,600 --> 02:44:27,600
that have these, they next put in

4304
02:44:27,600 --> 02:44:29,520
highdensity housing, highdensity

4305
02:44:29,520 --> 02:44:31,600
apartments. They lose their rural feel.

4306
02:44:31,600 --> 02:44:34,000
They become very transient. This is

4307
02:44:34,000 --> 02:44:36,160
basically a piece of the highdensity

4308
02:44:36,160 --> 02:44:37,439
puzzle where people don't have enough

4309
02:44:37,439 --> 02:44:39,279
storage at their home so they store

4310
02:44:39,279 --> 02:44:41,680
everything in these units and it goes to

4311
02:44:41,680 --> 02:44:44,000
this low ownership type of deep

4312
02:44:44,000 --> 02:44:46,479
philosoph uh I'm going more deeper in

4313
02:44:46,479 --> 02:44:49,840
this way of life that people are fleeing

4314
02:44:49,840 --> 02:44:53,200
from in Arizona, Nevada, California and

4315
02:44:53,200 --> 02:44:56,240
other parts of Utah. And so, you know,

4316
02:44:56,240 --> 02:44:58,319
my personal opinion, well, this is what

4317
02:44:58,319 --> 02:45:01,439
I would hope. This is the path forward.

4318
02:45:01,439 --> 02:45:05,200
I I I see no for me. I see no path with

4319
02:45:05,200 --> 02:45:08,560
this current code to approve it without

4320
02:45:08,560 --> 02:45:10,479
drastic and I know we're not approving

4321
02:45:10,479 --> 02:45:12,800
it without drastic fixes. So, we would

4322
02:45:12,800 --> 02:45:15,040
have to work very much with the

4323
02:45:15,040 --> 02:45:16,960
residents to make sure they're okay with

4324
02:45:16,960 --> 02:45:19,279
it. Are you guys okay living with this

4325
02:45:19,279 --> 02:45:21,520
code for the next hundred years of your

4326
02:45:21,520 --> 02:45:24,479
life? That's who we need to get okay on.

4327
02:45:24,479 --> 02:45:28,399
Okay. Um and then I think you might be

4328
02:45:28,399 --> 02:45:30,240
able to get a compromise with them if

4329
02:45:30,240 --> 02:45:32,960
you take out that big wall in the front,

4330
02:45:32,960 --> 02:45:34,880
push it back because that is just so in

4331
02:45:34,880 --> 02:45:37,279
everyone's face. It blocks mountains. It

4332
02:45:37,279 --> 02:45:39,680
blocks everything. I mean, you're you're

4333
02:45:39,680 --> 02:45:41,760
now in

4334
02:45:41,760 --> 02:45:43,840
Chicago like like that. You got a church

4335
02:45:43,840 --> 02:45:45,760
on one side alpine, you got a Chicago on

4336
02:45:45,760 --> 02:45:46,720
the other side. You're like, what's

4337
02:45:46,720 --> 02:45:50,000
going on? Um, and so I think if you can

4338
02:45:50,000 --> 02:45:51,760
compromise with them, I think if you can

4339
02:45:51,760 --> 02:45:54,640
get the residence and I looked him in

4340
02:45:54,640 --> 02:45:56,880
the face and I sat down with him and I

4341
02:45:56,880 --> 02:46:00,080
saw his pain, the owner, okay, I know

4342
02:46:00,080 --> 02:46:03,120
what he's going through and having him

4343
02:46:03,120 --> 02:46:05,279
on one side and the threats and then

4344
02:46:05,279 --> 02:46:07,279
having uh, which who I deeply respect

4345
02:46:07,279 --> 02:46:09,120
and love. I love the guy and my whole

4346
02:46:09,120 --> 02:46:11,040
family. I love him. And then having the

4347
02:46:11,040 --> 02:46:12,560
residents in Alpine on the other side is

4348
02:46:12,560 --> 02:46:16,080
a terrible situation. And I know the

4349
02:46:16,080 --> 02:46:18,000
consequences of this going one way or

4350
02:46:18,000 --> 02:46:20,399
another. I've been very much told what

4351
02:46:20,399 --> 02:46:22,720
happens based on my decision and their

4352
02:46:22,720 --> 02:46:24,640
decision, the consequences on both

4353
02:46:24,640 --> 02:46:28,160
sides, which are very heavy. Um, and so

4354
02:46:28,160 --> 02:46:30,640
I am hoping, praying, pleading that you

4355
02:46:30,640 --> 02:46:32,240
will work with the residents, change

4356
02:46:32,240 --> 02:46:33,760
this to be something that they're okay

4357
02:46:33,760 --> 02:46:37,670
with. I think you're

4358
02:46:37,680 --> 02:46:42,240
25% of the way there. If you can get 75,

4359
02:46:42,240 --> 02:46:44,640
if you can address their concerns, which

4360
02:46:44,640 --> 02:46:47,439
will cause you some pain and remove a

4361
02:46:47,439 --> 02:46:50,160
lot of the bulk and massing that you

4362
02:46:50,160 --> 02:46:51,680
have, a lot of the quantity that you

4363
02:46:51,680 --> 02:46:54,160
have, you could reach, I think, an

4364
02:46:54,160 --> 02:46:56,160
agreement with them. But until that, I

4365
02:46:56,160 --> 02:46:57,600
can't ever support something like this,

4366
02:46:57,600 --> 02:46:58,960
which is what I told you from the

4367
02:46:58,960 --> 02:47:00,720
beginning. Thank you for your time.

4368
02:47:00,720 --> 02:47:02,000
>> Okay, Brent.

4369
02:47:02,000 --> 02:47:03,760
>> Thank you.

4370
02:47:03,760 --> 02:47:05,439
Did you have any responses to anything

4371
02:47:05,439 --> 02:47:06,800
that he said or would you like to just

4372
02:47:06,800 --> 02:47:08,160
move on? See if

4373
02:47:08,160 --> 02:47:10,399
>> we can keep moving. I mean, Ryan Ryan, I

4374
02:47:10,399 --> 02:47:11,920
think if you want to jump on and explain

4375
02:47:11,920 --> 02:47:14,319
some of the code thing, I think might be

4376
02:47:14,319 --> 02:47:16,000
helpful if you want to jump on, but if

4377
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:22,309
not, we can keep moving.

4378
02:47:22,319 --> 02:47:33,990
» Rain, are you muted or is he off again?

4379
02:47:34,000 --> 02:47:35,920
Oh, it says the audio is off down there.

4380
02:47:35,920 --> 02:47:42,070
Can you see on the Zoom?

4381
02:47:42,080 --> 02:47:43,920
» Oh, okay.

4382
02:47:43,920 --> 02:47:45,920
>> He might not be able to comment.

4383
02:47:45,920 --> 02:47:48,800
>> And if he's if he's listening, the code

4384
02:47:48,800 --> 02:47:51,439
specifics are the grammatical sparing,

4385
02:47:51,439 --> 02:47:54,240
but also it's H. It's this.

4386
02:47:54,240 --> 02:47:58,230
>> Oh, good. There you go.

4387
02:47:58,240 --> 02:48:04,469
All right.

4388
02:48:04,479 --> 02:48:05,760
It says he's on mute.

4389
02:48:05,760 --> 02:48:07,040
>> He's on mute now.

4390
02:48:07,040 --> 02:48:12,230
>> Oh, he wasn't before.

4391
02:48:12,240 --> 02:48:13,120
» Speaker.

4392
02:48:13,120 --> 02:48:15,279
>> Okay. Can you guys hear me now?

4393
02:48:15,279 --> 02:48:16,800
>> Is that on speaker?

4394
02:48:16,800 --> 02:48:17,040
>> Yeah.

4395
02:48:17,040 --> 02:48:18,319
>> Turn this way.

4396
02:48:18,319 --> 02:48:21,680
>> Hold on. Let me turn him up. Okay. Now

4397
02:48:21,680 --> 02:48:23,840
talk.

4398
02:48:23,840 --> 02:48:27,120
Can you talk,

4399
02:48:27,120 --> 02:48:29,439
Ryan?

4400
02:48:29,439 --> 02:48:34,150
He unmuted on Zoom.

4401
02:48:34,160 --> 02:48:34,800
» All right.

4402
02:48:34,800 --> 02:48:36,800
>> Can you guys hear me on Zoom?

4403
02:48:36,800 --> 02:48:37,760
>> Is he on Zoom, too?

4404
02:48:37,760 --> 02:48:39,040
>> No.

4405
02:48:39,040 --> 02:48:39,279
>> Okay.

4406
02:48:39,279 --> 02:48:42,240
>> It says I'm unmuted on my end anyway.

4407
02:48:42,240 --> 02:48:43,439
>> Okay. Well, you just talk through my

4408
02:48:43,439 --> 02:48:46,950
phone. That's fine.

4409
02:48:46,960 --> 02:48:50,230
» Go.

4410
02:48:50,240 --> 02:48:51,200
» Are you talking to me?

4411
02:48:51,200 --> 02:48:53,279
>> Yes, we'll talk.

4412
02:48:53,279 --> 02:48:56,080
>> No. No. Sorry.

4413
02:48:56,080 --> 02:48:58,240
That's going to get annoying.

4414
02:48:58,240 --> 02:49:01,840
I can hear my feedback. Um,

4415
02:49:01,840 --> 02:49:03,840
no, I I just I didn't know if anyone had

4416
02:49:03,840 --> 02:49:08,399
any questions. I'm happy to jump in and help with those. I will say I only I

4417
02:49:08,399 --> 02:49:10,240
only heard bits and pieces of that. I'm

4418
02:49:10,240 --> 02:49:13,920
just driving back from from Enoch. But,

4419
02:49:13,920 --> 02:49:15,920
um, I only heard bits and pieces of

4420
02:49:15,920 --> 02:49:18,880
that, but I I will say we did have

4421
02:49:18,880 --> 02:49:22,560
several proposals come before these guys

4422
02:49:22,560 --> 02:49:26,960
came in. Um, and they were all pretty

4423
02:49:26,960 --> 02:49:29,680
impactful, high density,

4424
02:49:29,680 --> 02:49:34,319
you know, multi- Anyway, they there was a lot of those that came in.

4425
02:49:34,319 --> 02:49:35,680
At the end of the day, I think they met

4426
02:49:35,680 --> 02:49:37,359
with a lot of the a lot of the former

4427
02:49:37,359 --> 02:49:38,880
council and it was kind of like, well,

4428
02:49:38,880 --> 02:49:40,800
we're not we're not comfortable moving

4429
02:49:40,800 --> 02:49:42,720
that far yet or doing one of things like

4430
02:49:42,720 --> 02:49:45,200
that. So, this is one that we got that

4431
02:49:45,200 --> 02:49:47,279
could use the existing building. They

4432
02:49:47,279 --> 02:49:50,560
didn't have to tear it down. Um, and

4433
02:49:50,560 --> 02:49:52,880
yeah, so that that's kind of how we we

4434
02:49:52,880 --> 02:49:55,439
got to where we are with this one. We

4435
02:49:55,439 --> 02:49:57,920
did write it, so we took what they

4436
02:49:57,920 --> 02:50:01,120
needed in there to make it work and then

4437
02:50:01,120 --> 02:50:07,439
we tried to write it. So it was um like to protect or to safeguard some of

4438
02:50:07,439 --> 02:50:13,359
the things that we we had concerns with storage units. Um, so that that's

4439
02:50:13,359 --> 02:50:15,840
kind of how we got to where we are. It

4440
02:50:15,840 --> 02:50:18,080
was that's that's really the only piece

4441
02:50:18,080 --> 02:50:20,240
in Alpine that storage units like this

4442
02:50:20,240 --> 02:50:23,439
would would really work. So that's why

4443
02:50:23,439 --> 02:50:25,520
it's written the way that it is to kind

4444
02:50:25,520 --> 02:50:27,120
of limit and this isn't the first time

4445
02:50:27,120 --> 02:50:30,319
that Alpine or cities have have done

4446
02:50:30,319 --> 02:50:31,680
things like that that hey this would

4447
02:50:31,680 --> 02:50:34,399
work here but maybe not anywhere else.

4448
02:50:34,399 --> 02:50:37,120
Um but yeah, sorry I'm rambling. Are

4449
02:50:37,120 --> 02:50:39,200
there any questions or anything that I

4450
02:50:39,200 --> 02:50:42,399
can help with on this? No, I mean I feel

4451
02:50:42,399 --> 02:50:44,160
I appreciate the effort that you made

4452
02:50:44,160 --> 02:50:46,720
because yeah, with all the restrictions

4453
02:50:46,720 --> 02:50:49,680
that are put on the ordinance. I I agree

4454
02:50:49,680 --> 02:50:52,319
with you with the lot size having to be

4455
02:50:52,319 --> 02:50:55,600
at least three acres, maximum of five.

4456
02:50:55,600 --> 02:50:57,439
Um, and then that you can't have one

4457
02:50:57,439 --> 02:51:00,960
within a mile of an existing one. Um,

4458
02:51:00,960 --> 02:51:02,800
with that being said, even though you've

4459
02:51:02,800 --> 02:51:04,880
taken careful consideration, I do like

4460
02:51:04,880 --> 02:51:10,080
Andy's idea of it not being um, a

4461
02:51:10,080 --> 02:51:12,160
condition of use, but maybe an overlay.

4462
02:51:12,160 --> 02:51:14,000
But in either one of those though, you

4463
02:51:14,000 --> 02:51:15,439
still need to have you still need to

4464
02:51:15,439 --> 02:51:17,840
come front of um, city council or

4465
02:51:17,840 --> 02:51:19,760
planning commission to be able to get

4466
02:51:19,760 --> 02:51:22,160
that granted. So, it's not just an

4467
02:51:22,160 --> 02:51:23,760
automatic

4468
02:51:23,760 --> 02:51:26,160
approval. Just because this passes, it's

4469
02:51:26,160 --> 02:51:28,880
not an automatic approval. I do

4470
02:51:28,880 --> 02:51:31,600
appreciate um you know what? I'm gonna

4471
02:51:31,600 --> 02:51:33,040
go ahead and allow

4472
02:51:33,040 --> 02:51:33,520
>> Yeah.

4473
02:51:33,520 --> 02:51:36,080
>> Um Brent to go ahead and speak and we'll

4474
02:51:36,080 --> 02:51:38,080
wait for Jess. Well, if Jessica's not

4475
02:51:38,080 --> 02:51:40,240
back, we'll go on to Sarah. Go ahead,

4476
02:51:40,240 --> 02:51:41,040
Brent.

4477
02:51:41,040 --> 02:51:43,120
>> Yeah. I had the same comment, Mayor

4478
02:51:43,120 --> 02:51:47,279
Andy. I appreciate your input and they they looked at it at the planning

4479
02:51:47,279 --> 02:51:49,680
commission as well, and it's um I really

4480
02:51:49,680 --> 02:51:51,600
appreciate that one. Your last concern

4481
02:51:51,600 --> 02:51:54,319
was specific plan being considered

4482
02:51:54,319 --> 02:51:56,880
versus code change approval only. But

4483
02:51:56,880 --> 02:51:58,560
because this has to go through the

4484
02:51:58,560 --> 02:52:00,560
conditional use permit, my understanding

4485
02:52:00,560 --> 02:52:03,200
is that this isn't the endgame. If we

4486
02:52:03,200 --> 02:52:04,319
change the ordinance, it doesn't mean

4487
02:52:04,319 --> 02:52:06,399
they can change their architectural

4488
02:52:06,399 --> 02:52:10,080
concept and and just pull one over on

4489
02:52:10,080 --> 02:52:11,279
us. They they're still going to have to

4490
02:52:11,279 --> 02:52:13,040
go through the conditional use

4491
02:52:13,040 --> 02:52:15,439
permitting process and get plans

4492
02:52:15,439 --> 02:52:17,840
approved that that address the gateway

4493
02:52:17,840 --> 02:52:20,479
standards. They have to meet the height

4494
02:52:20,479 --> 02:52:22,399
requirements, setbacks, everything else.

4495
02:52:22,399 --> 02:52:27,429
So, is that correct, Steve?

4496
02:52:27,439 --> 02:52:30,319
» Yes. I guess one thing I should point

4497
02:52:30,319 --> 02:52:34,640
out is if you decide to approve a text

4498
02:52:34,640 --> 02:52:37,359
amendment, that is a legislative

4499
02:52:37,359 --> 02:52:39,200
decision.

4500
02:52:39,200 --> 02:52:41,840
Once a legislative decision has has

4501
02:52:41,840 --> 02:52:44,479
permitted this as a conditional use,

4502
02:52:44,479 --> 02:52:45,840
then we're moving into the

4503
02:52:45,840 --> 02:52:48,479
administrative decision arena. So even

4504
02:52:48,479 --> 02:52:50,479
though it comes to the city council, the

4505
02:52:50,479 --> 02:52:53,200
city council can't act as a legislative

4506
02:52:53,200 --> 02:52:55,600
body and saying we don't like what

4507
02:52:55,600 --> 02:52:59,200
you're doing here. All you can do is act

4508
02:52:59,200 --> 02:53:02,080
as an administrative body and saying

4509
02:53:02,080 --> 02:53:04,319
this is basically a permitted use, but

4510
02:53:04,319 --> 02:53:08,319
we are going to impose conditions that

4511
02:53:08,319 --> 02:53:10,399
mitigate the reasonably anticipated

4512
02:53:10,399 --> 02:53:13,760
detrimental effects of the use. So it's

4513
02:53:13,760 --> 02:53:16,479
not you got way more discretion on a

4514
02:53:16,479 --> 02:53:18,080
text amendment than you would on a

4515
02:53:18,080 --> 02:53:19,200
conditional use permit.

4516
02:53:19,200 --> 02:53:20,800
>> So if there's something that we really

4517
02:53:20,800 --> 02:53:23,439
want to see, we need to put it in the

4518
02:53:23,439 --> 02:53:25,760
ordinance. Correct. Text amendment. So

4519
02:53:25,760 --> 02:53:27,359
for example, meeting the Gateway

4520
02:53:27,359 --> 02:53:29,840
Historic standards, which I think is

4521
02:53:29,840 --> 02:53:31,359
already in there. That's probably the

4522
02:53:31,359 --> 02:53:32,640
biggest concern that I've heard from

4523
02:53:32,640 --> 02:53:34,880
residents is does it meet the feel of

4524
02:53:34,880 --> 02:53:36,960
Alpine? And that's in there. So,

4525
02:53:36,960 --> 02:53:38,399
anything else that we would identify

4526
02:53:38,399 --> 02:53:40,640
that we absolutely want to have in there

4527
02:53:40,640 --> 02:53:42,160
that

4528
02:53:42,160 --> 02:53:43,760
this is the time to put that in, which

4529
02:53:43,760 --> 02:53:44,880
is to Andrew's point.

4530
02:53:44,880 --> 02:53:47,120
>> Well, I think I'd like clarification on

4531
02:53:47,120 --> 02:53:48,560
that because this is outside the

4532
02:53:48,560 --> 02:53:51,040
gateway. The gateway only goes to 200

4533
02:53:51,040 --> 02:53:51,600
North.

4534
02:53:51,600 --> 02:53:55,040
>> It's in the gateway.

4535
02:53:55,040 --> 02:53:56,720
>> Ryan, is it in the gateway or out of the

4536
02:53:56,720 --> 02:53:57,520
gateway?

4537
02:53:57,520 --> 02:54:01,439
>> It says it in the ordinance, right?

4538
02:54:01,439 --> 02:54:03,680
>> So, are you turned up, Shane? Are you

4539
02:54:03,680 --> 02:54:05,520
turned up?

4540
02:54:05,520 --> 02:54:06,640
because he can talk through.

4541
02:54:06,640 --> 02:54:07,920
>> Does business commercial define the

4542
02:54:07,920 --> 02:54:09,439
whole gateway?

4543
02:54:09,439 --> 02:54:10,800
>> It's red.

4544
02:54:10,800 --> 02:54:12,720
>> So I think

4545
02:54:12,720 --> 02:54:13,359
>> I think it's

4546
02:54:13,359 --> 02:54:16,000
>> Yeah, Ryan talk now. See if there can

4547
02:54:16,000 --> 02:54:17,439
you clarify there. He is

4548
02:54:17,439 --> 02:54:18,720
>> for some reason I thought it was south

4549
02:54:18,720 --> 02:54:20,000
of He's talking.

4550
02:54:20,000 --> 02:54:21,600
>> So anything in the business commercial

4551
02:54:21,600 --> 02:54:25,120
zone is in the gateway historic

4552
02:54:25,120 --> 02:54:26,479
standards would

4553
02:54:26,479 --> 02:54:28,479
>> Oh everything

4554
02:54:28,479 --> 02:54:31,120
>> in the bright red. Sorry, I can someone

4555
02:54:31,120 --> 02:54:33,680
repeat what he said so I can hear.

4556
02:54:33,680 --> 02:54:35,279
Everything in everything in the business

4557
02:54:35,279 --> 02:54:38,000
commercial zone are you?

4558
02:54:38,000 --> 02:54:40,880
>> Oh, he said everything in the business

4559
02:54:40,880 --> 02:54:42,880
commercial zone is in the historic

4560
02:54:42,880 --> 02:54:43,520
gateway,

4561
02:54:43,520 --> 02:54:45,520
>> but this is mixeduse zone.

4562
02:54:45,520 --> 02:54:47,920
>> It's business commercial. Currently, it

4563
02:54:47,920 --> 02:54:50,000
is a business commercial zone which is

4564
02:54:50,000 --> 02:54:51,760
designated by the color red. I

4565
02:54:51,760 --> 02:54:53,359
>> mean, I thought it was I thought it was

4566
02:54:53,359 --> 02:54:55,279
I thought the ordinance was pretty

4567
02:54:55,279 --> 02:54:59,279
thorough um with the acreage law size I

4568
02:54:59,279 --> 02:55:00,399
think one of the biggest concerns

4569
02:55:00,399 --> 02:55:03,760
residents brought forth to me was

4570
02:55:03,760 --> 02:55:05,680
initially based on a Facebook post that

4571
02:55:05,680 --> 02:55:07,760
said, "Hey, the city's about to consider

4572
02:55:07,760 --> 02:55:09,760
storage sheds. We don't want storage

4573
02:55:09,760 --> 02:55:11,760
facilities in Alpine." And I reached out

4574
02:55:11,760 --> 02:55:13,120
to every single one of those and just

4575
02:55:13,120 --> 02:55:15,439
said, "Hey, you can talk to Stack, but

4576
02:55:15,439 --> 02:55:16,800
they've talked to some of they've talked

4577
02:55:16,800 --> 02:55:19,600
to the council members. Here is what the

4578
02:55:19,600 --> 02:55:21,040
proposal is and why it's different than

4579
02:55:21,040 --> 02:55:23,120
what you normally see along the freeway

4580
02:55:23,120 --> 02:55:27,040
with orange garage doors and barbed wire

4581
02:55:27,040 --> 02:55:29,840
chain link fences and and big neon

4582
02:55:29,840 --> 02:55:32,800
signs. So that was

4583
02:55:32,800 --> 02:55:34,319
much different than what they expected

4584
02:55:34,319 --> 02:55:37,040
when I when I when I responded to them.

4585
02:55:37,040 --> 02:55:38,319
And then also kind of explaining the

4586
02:55:38,319 --> 02:55:40,160
zoning. A lot of times residents don't

4587
02:55:40,160 --> 02:55:44,000
understand zoning concepts. Um

4588
02:55:44,000 --> 02:55:45,520
>> so trying to explain that to them as

4589
02:55:45,520 --> 02:55:47,520
well. to answer that question.

4590
02:55:47,520 --> 02:55:49,520
>> But anyway, um here are a couple of my

4591
02:55:49,520 --> 02:55:51,359
questions for you while you're here.

4592
02:55:51,359 --> 02:55:52,240
>> Yeah.

4593
02:55:52,240 --> 02:55:54,080
>> So, the customer parking was brought up

4594
02:55:54,080 --> 02:55:56,960
as as a concern. Um I noticed and I

4595
02:55:56,960 --> 02:55:58,000
listened to the planning commission

4596
02:55:58,000 --> 02:56:00,080
discussion about having ample parking.

4597
02:56:00,080 --> 02:56:02,720
It looks to me like other than your

4598
02:56:02,720 --> 02:56:04,160
community center on the outside with

4599
02:56:04,160 --> 02:56:07,200
those diagonal lots for people that

4600
02:56:07,200 --> 02:56:10,080
might stop there to do whatever, most of

4601
02:56:10,080 --> 02:56:12,240
the parking for accessing the storage

4602
02:56:12,240 --> 02:56:15,279
units would be internal to the building.

4603
02:56:15,279 --> 02:56:18,800
Yeah. So up on the if we I mean um if

4604
02:56:18,800 --> 02:56:20,479
you go into the cemetery road you enter

4605
02:56:20,479 --> 02:56:22,319
in the property kind of where that area

4606
02:56:22,319 --> 02:56:24,720
is just to the north of the

4607
02:56:24,720 --> 02:56:26,000
>> um

4608
02:56:26,000 --> 02:56:27,760
>> to like them zip

4609
02:56:27,760 --> 02:56:30,000
>> uh backwards. Sorry

4610
02:56:30,000 --> 02:56:30,479
>> up.

4611
02:56:30,479 --> 02:56:33,439
>> Yep. Right there. One more right there.

4612
02:56:33,439 --> 02:56:33,760
>> Okay.

4613
02:56:33,760 --> 02:56:35,520
>> Back back one. Sorry.

4614
02:56:35,520 --> 02:56:36,000
>> That one.

4615
02:56:36,000 --> 02:56:40,880
>> Thank you. Yeah. So if you look at the next to the big brown portion that's

4616
02:56:40,880 --> 02:56:42,720
the self- storage facility. to the right

4617
02:56:42,720 --> 02:56:44,960
of that. That's where the parking is.

4618
02:56:44,960 --> 02:56:46,160
There's going to be about 10 stalls

4619
02:56:46,160 --> 02:56:47,520
right there. That would be where loading

4620
02:56:47,520 --> 02:56:51,279
is as well. Um and and so there's a

4621
02:56:51,279 --> 02:56:53,439
facility that's similar to this. It's

4622
02:56:53,439 --> 02:56:55,600
about a little over three miles away

4623
02:56:55,600 --> 02:56:59,439
from here. That's um I'd say it's

4624
02:56:59,439 --> 02:57:00,560
>> on Cedar Hills.

4625
02:57:00,560 --> 02:57:02,160
>> Yeah. In Cedar Hills. We're about we're

4626
02:57:02,160 --> 02:57:04,240
about twothirds the size of that one.

4627
02:57:04,240 --> 02:57:07,040
has four parking stalls. It's a

4628
02:57:07,040 --> 02:57:09,120
it's you know, so it's 120,000 building.

4629
02:57:09,120 --> 02:57:10,399
Really big. And they don't have any

4630
02:57:10,399 --> 02:57:13,200
parking issues. And the reason why and

4631
02:57:13,200 --> 02:57:14,880
when we build these kind of all over the

4632
02:57:14,880 --> 02:57:16,640
country and limit parking the only time

4633
02:57:16,640 --> 02:57:18,000
we build more parking is when an

4634
02:57:18,000 --> 02:57:20,399
ordinance requires it and it's you know

4635
02:57:20,399 --> 02:57:22,399
we have the ability to do it and we so

4636
02:57:22,399 --> 02:57:24,080
we put a couple you know more in than we

4637
02:57:24,080 --> 02:57:26,560
need. We we're just such a low traffic

4638
02:57:26,560 --> 02:57:28,640
generator that that we don't need the

4639
02:57:28,640 --> 02:57:30,240
parking stalls. We we have enough

4640
02:57:30,240 --> 02:57:32,800
loading room right there kind of out in

4641
02:57:32,800 --> 02:57:36,000
that area. There are I I want to say 8

4642
02:57:36,000 --> 02:57:38,080
to 10 stalls right there. One of them

4643
02:57:38,080 --> 02:57:40,560
will need to be uh ADA accessible. also

4644
02:57:40,560 --> 02:57:43,760
a handicap stall. And so that would um

4645
02:57:43,760 --> 02:57:46,319
but yeah, we we're good on we're good on

4646
02:57:46,319 --> 02:57:48,479
parking for the self- storage portion of

4647
02:57:48,479 --> 02:57:53,680
that. Now, to access the the keep the garage units, you go through a gate.

4648
02:57:53,680 --> 02:57:55,359
There'd be a gate between that to

4649
02:57:55,359 --> 02:57:58,880
between that larger unit that says 2,700

4650
02:57:58,880 --> 02:58:00,399
feet to the corner right there. Yeah.

4651
02:58:00,399 --> 02:58:02,000
Right where your mouse is. There'd be a

4652
02:58:02,000 --> 02:58:03,200
gate through there. You enter through

4653
02:58:03,200 --> 02:58:06,800
that. That's a 50 foot wide uh area

4654
02:58:06,800 --> 02:58:09,040
right there. Just larger than the street

4655
02:58:09,040 --> 02:58:11,279
out front. you know, it's a w a wide

4656
02:58:11,279 --> 02:58:13,600
access there. And then for parking, you

4657
02:58:13,600 --> 02:58:15,760
can park in front of your unit. Likely

4658
02:58:15,760 --> 02:58:17,359
they'd pull inside their unit or just be

4659
02:58:17,359 --> 02:58:18,640
right outside their unit. There's plenty

4660
02:58:18,640 --> 02:58:22,240
of room there for for parking. So, um

4661
02:58:22,240 --> 02:58:24,319
you know, for for us to operate

4662
02:58:24,319 --> 02:58:26,000
efficiently based on our experience in

4663
02:58:26,000 --> 02:58:27,359
developing self storage, the parking

4664
02:58:27,359 --> 02:58:29,439
that we have is sufficient.

4665
02:58:29,439 --> 02:58:30,960
>> So, the only entrance to the self-

4666
02:58:30,960 --> 02:58:32,720
storage portion would be on that east

4667
02:58:32,720 --> 02:58:33,279
side.

4668
02:58:33,279 --> 02:58:36,080
>> Correct. So, if if there was any kind of

4669
02:58:36,080 --> 02:58:38,399
overflow traffic, if there happened to

4670
02:58:38,399 --> 02:58:40,560
be 15 U-Hauls there one Saturday morning

4671
02:58:40,560 --> 02:58:42,479
at the same time, which probably isn't

4672
02:58:42,479 --> 02:58:43,279
very likely,

4673
02:58:43,279 --> 02:58:43,680
>> right?

4674
02:58:43,680 --> 02:58:46,319
>> Um the likelihood of them going out to

4675
02:58:46,319 --> 02:58:48,560
200 North and having to

4676
02:58:48,560 --> 02:58:50,640
>> truck their their stuff all the way in

4677
02:58:50,640 --> 02:58:53,040
is fairly remote, I would think.

4678
02:58:53,040 --> 02:58:54,479
>> So, there will be a gate access gate

4679
02:58:54,479 --> 02:58:56,319
right there where the cursor is and also

4680
02:58:56,319 --> 02:58:57,760
on 200 North.

4681
02:58:57,760 --> 02:58:58,720
>> Correct.

4682
02:58:58,720 --> 02:59:00,000
>> The only people with access to that

4683
02:59:00,000 --> 02:59:02,319
would be for the for the

4684
02:59:02,319 --> 02:59:05,920
>> owners of those units. Yeah, correct.

4685
02:59:05,920 --> 02:59:07,840
>> Um, one of the residents asked about

4686
02:59:07,840 --> 02:59:09,760
screening and I saw on your AR on your

4687
02:59:09,760 --> 02:59:11,840
plan that these are the residents to the

4688
02:59:11,840 --> 02:59:14,319
north and I saw those historical

4689
02:59:14,319 --> 02:59:16,240
pictures with all the vehicles parked

4690
02:59:16,240 --> 02:59:19,279
there and everything else. Um we had a

4691
02:59:19,279 --> 02:59:22,160
little issue of that with the

4692
02:59:22,160 --> 02:59:27,040
parking um lot over by Burgess Orchard

4693
02:59:27,040 --> 02:59:30,160
and the discussion on the on the com on

4694
02:59:30,160 --> 02:59:32,399
the council about six foot fences versus

4695
02:59:32,399 --> 02:59:36,160
8ft fences landscaping trees. What is

4696
02:59:36,160 --> 02:59:38,960
your plan to provide sufficient kind of

4697
02:59:38,960 --> 02:59:42,560
a buffer there for them? So, we hired an

4698
02:59:42,560 --> 02:59:44,399
a landscape architect that put those

4699
02:59:44,399 --> 02:59:49,279
specific uh trees in there that would we said these these neighbors we we've

4700
02:59:49,279 --> 02:59:52,479
committed to them verbally. You know, I know that that's not in the ordinance,

4701
02:59:52,479 --> 02:59:54,720
but sat in their living room and said

4702
02:59:54,720 --> 02:59:56,720
we're we're we're committed to to

4703
02:59:56,720 --> 02:59:59,359
putting privacy trees there uh to kind

4704
02:59:59,359 --> 03:00:02,240
of what what they they had actually um

4705
03:00:02,240 --> 03:00:03,920
there are trees that were planted there

4706
03:00:03,920 --> 03:00:05,840
that those residences are maintaining

4707
03:00:05,840 --> 03:00:08,240
right now. So, they're paying to to keep

4708
03:00:08,240 --> 03:00:09,760
those up. I believe it's the back of the

4709
03:00:09,760 --> 03:00:11,920
MacArthur's. They may go all the way

4710
03:00:11,920 --> 03:00:13,760
over to the Higgies and I think the

4711
03:00:13,760 --> 03:00:15,680
Sonowskis are in this corner as well.

4712
03:00:15,680 --> 03:00:17,600
So, there are a few trees that were

4713
03:00:17,600 --> 03:00:20,240
planted there. We're saying we will add

4714
03:00:20,240 --> 03:00:23,600
two or do whatever. Uh but but there are

4715
03:00:23,600 --> 03:00:26,080
tree types here that it's showing um

4716
03:00:26,080 --> 03:00:28,399
what the what are plan to be there. I'm

4717
03:00:28,399 --> 03:00:29,840
definitely not a tree expert. So kind of

4718
03:00:29,840 --> 03:00:31,520
outsource that to landscape architect

4719
03:00:31,520 --> 03:00:33,760
and say the goal is to to provide

4720
03:00:33,760 --> 03:00:36,479
screening and privacy there so there's

4721
03:00:36,479 --> 03:00:38,240
you know noise and everything like that

4722
03:00:38,240 --> 03:00:39,520
on that side. So

4723
03:00:39,520 --> 03:00:41,600
>> okay thanks.

4724
03:00:41,600 --> 03:00:44,160
>> Um

4725
03:00:44,160 --> 03:00:46,560
we you talked about oh one note for the

4726
03:00:46,560 --> 03:00:48,399
staff. I think we should add the

4727
03:00:48,399 --> 03:00:50,960
ordinance if we choose to allow this to

4728
03:00:50,960 --> 03:00:53,600
prohibit rentals of U-Hauls.

4729
03:00:53,600 --> 03:00:55,520
>> Right. That would be one that we for

4730
03:00:55,520 --> 03:00:58,000
sure would want to do and not leave that

4731
03:00:58,000 --> 03:01:01,680
to the the uh conditional use permit or

4732
03:01:01,680 --> 03:01:03,520
overlay zone.

4733
03:01:03,520 --> 03:01:03,760
>> Yeah.

4734
03:01:03,760 --> 03:01:06,080
>> Um as far as the CCNRs, the covenants,

4735
03:01:06,080 --> 03:01:07,760
conditions, and restrictions that will

4736
03:01:07,760 --> 03:01:10,160
be on these units limiting the hours of

4737
03:01:10,160 --> 03:01:12,640
operation, you you mentioned the self-

4738
03:01:12,640 --> 03:01:14,240
storage access would probably be between

4739
03:01:14,240 --> 03:01:20,080
6 a.m. and 10 or 11 p.m. What about the condos? The

4740
03:01:20,080 --> 03:01:22,000
>> condos since they are owned and they're

4741
03:01:22,000 --> 03:01:24,800
going to be, you know, expensive and

4742
03:01:24,800 --> 03:01:26,399
they're going to house expensive

4743
03:01:26,399 --> 03:01:27,920
property.

4744
03:01:27,920 --> 03:01:30,160
um those will be accessed 24/7.

4745
03:01:30,160 --> 03:01:32,319
>> 247. And your experience in these types

4746
03:01:32,319 --> 03:01:36,240
of um developments, how are they used

4747
03:01:36,240 --> 03:01:37,680
late at night? Because that's maybe one

4748
03:01:37,680 --> 03:01:38,880
of the concerns of the neighbors.

4749
03:01:38,880 --> 03:01:40,240
>> Yeah. I mean, it's just like if you

4750
03:01:40,240 --> 03:01:42,479
think of in in a town home community or

4751
03:01:42,479 --> 03:01:44,800
your neighbor, if your neighbors being

4752
03:01:44,800 --> 03:01:46,479
loud or they're having any issues like

4753
03:01:46,479 --> 03:01:48,160
late at night, you're going to you're

4754
03:01:48,160 --> 03:01:49,760
going to elevate that that type of an

4755
03:01:49,760 --> 03:01:51,680
issue. This is a very much gonna, you

4756
03:01:51,680 --> 03:01:53,200
know, we're going to manage a very

4757
03:01:53,200 --> 03:01:55,439
strong community of people that is, so

4758
03:01:55,439 --> 03:01:57,040
if there's any issues, you'll have the

4759
03:01:57,040 --> 03:01:58,720
owner's contact information. You'll have

4760
03:01:58,720 --> 03:02:01,120
our as the as the manager of the

4761
03:02:01,120 --> 03:02:02,800
facilities contact information if there

4762
03:02:02,800 --> 03:02:04,880
are any of those issues of, hey, you're

4763
03:02:04,880 --> 03:02:08,160
not you're disturbing your residential

4764
03:02:08,160 --> 03:02:09,760
neighbors next door, your businesses

4765
03:02:09,760 --> 03:02:10,560
next door, and everything.

4766
03:02:10,560 --> 03:02:12,080
>> And they also have recourse to go to the

4767
03:02:12,080 --> 03:02:14,000
police for basic nuisance laws just like

4768
03:02:14,000 --> 03:02:17,600
any res any neighbor would

4769
03:02:17,600 --> 03:02:19,040
>> I've got to just put a pause for a

4770
03:02:19,040 --> 03:02:20,560
second. We have an ordinance that we

4771
03:02:20,560 --> 03:02:22,960
normally don't go past 9:00 for our

4772
03:02:22,960 --> 03:02:25,439
meetings. So, I need a motion to extend

4773
03:02:25,439 --> 03:02:27,920
our meetings beyond this meeting beyond

4774
03:02:27,920 --> 03:02:29,760
9:00 p.m.

4775
03:02:29,760 --> 03:02:31,760
>> I'll make a motion to extend the meeting

4776
03:02:31,760 --> 03:02:34,000
beyond 9:00 p.m. until the business of

4777
03:02:34,000 --> 03:02:35,439
the city is complete.

4778
03:02:35,439 --> 03:02:36,560
>> Okay. Is there a second?

4779
03:02:36,560 --> 03:02:37,920
>> I'll second. You got it.

4780
03:02:37,920 --> 03:02:39,600
>> It's been moved by Councilwoman Smeuan,

4781
03:02:39,600 --> 03:02:41,520
seconded by Councilman Rumler to extend

4782
03:02:41,520 --> 03:02:44,399
the meeting.

4783
03:02:44,399 --> 03:02:45,840
>> All in favor?

4784
03:02:45,840 --> 03:02:47,439
>> I.

4785
03:02:47,439 --> 03:02:49,359
>> Okay. Okay. So, as far as the CCR CCNRs,

4786
03:02:49,359 --> 03:02:51,040
I'm very familiar. I I I was a land use

4787
03:02:51,040 --> 03:02:52,240
attorney for a couple years before I

4788
03:02:52,240 --> 03:02:53,920
switched careers. So, I've very familiar

4789
03:02:53,920 --> 03:02:56,640
with CCNRs in the residential side. On

4790
03:02:56,640 --> 03:02:59,439
the business side, who enforces those

4791
03:02:59,439 --> 03:03:01,840
CCNRs or do you have a do you have a

4792
03:03:01,840 --> 03:03:03,520
board of directors made up of the owners

4793
03:03:03,520 --> 03:03:04,960
of the condo units?

4794
03:03:04,960 --> 03:03:06,640
>> Yeah. So, we would have we would have a

4795
03:03:06,640 --> 03:03:09,040
board of owners. So, um the specifics of

4796
03:03:09,040 --> 03:03:11,439
that aren't ironed out exact. I don't

4797
03:03:11,439 --> 03:03:12,720
have a sheet exactly of what that would

4798
03:03:12,720 --> 03:03:14,640
be, but typically those are like 60% of

4799
03:03:14,640 --> 03:03:16,479
the owners have to agree to some odd

4800
03:03:16,479 --> 03:03:18,880
change and there would be some type of a

4801
03:03:18,880 --> 03:03:20,160
management of those to make sure that

4802
03:03:20,160 --> 03:03:20,640
those are being

4803
03:03:20,640 --> 03:03:22,240
>> would there be any kind of city

4804
03:03:22,240 --> 03:03:24,399
requirement to approve those CCNR

4805
03:03:24,399 --> 03:03:25,760
changes? Because what I'm concerned

4806
03:03:25,760 --> 03:03:29,120
about is signage and

4807
03:03:29,120 --> 03:03:30,399
whatever those type of things that are

4808
03:03:30,399 --> 03:03:32,000
going to be in these CCRs that prohibit

4809
03:03:32,000 --> 03:03:33,760
certain uses that may be of concern to

4810
03:03:33,760 --> 03:03:35,760
the residents. I just don't want the

4811
03:03:35,760 --> 03:03:37,840
owners to be able to unilaterally change

4812
03:03:37,840 --> 03:03:40,080
those without any kind of city review

4813
03:03:40,080 --> 03:03:41,680
and approval, especially those things

4814
03:03:41,680 --> 03:03:44,240
that are lead to aesthetics and things

4815
03:03:44,240 --> 03:03:45,040
like that.

4816
03:03:45,040 --> 03:03:46,960
>> Yeah. I think what we had done with the

4817
03:03:46,960 --> 03:03:48,880
question with that with Ryan was that

4818
03:03:48,880 --> 03:03:51,279
was included our CCNRs. We agreed that

4819
03:03:51,279 --> 03:03:52,960
the CCNRs would be included in the

4820
03:03:52,960 --> 03:03:54,800
ordinance somehow. So, so that was

4821
03:03:54,800 --> 03:04:01,359
something that we would um before our approval we would hand over to to

4822
03:04:01,359 --> 03:04:03,680
the city to incorporate. But signage is

4823
03:04:03,680 --> 03:04:06,479
controlled by by city ordinance. So what

4824
03:04:06,479 --> 03:04:08,399
else are you talking about then?

4825
03:04:08,399 --> 03:04:12,319
>> Um if if we own or if we manage a unit,

4826
03:04:12,319 --> 03:04:14,080
we don't want someone going and putting

4827
03:04:14,080 --> 03:04:16,880
a big sign on top of their their portion

4828
03:04:16,880 --> 03:04:18,319
of their building which is part of a

4829
03:04:18,319 --> 03:04:19,359
community as well. So we would say,

4830
03:04:19,359 --> 03:04:21,120
"Hey, you can't can't do that. Your

4831
03:04:21,120 --> 03:04:22,880
stuff's inside your unit, not outside

4832
03:04:22,880 --> 03:04:23,920
your unit."

4833
03:04:23,920 --> 03:04:26,399
>> I think that is also um by city

4834
03:04:26,399 --> 03:04:28,319
ordinance. Like you can't just put stuff

4835
03:04:28,319 --> 03:04:30,800
up anywhere you want. like signs on a

4836
03:04:30,800 --> 03:04:32,240
roundabout even though it's owned by the

4837
03:04:32,240 --> 03:04:34,080
church. Like there's lots of ordinances

4838
03:04:34,080 --> 03:04:36,160
controlling signage. So I'm not sure

4839
03:04:36,160 --> 03:04:38,080
what what they're referring to.

4840
03:04:38,080 --> 03:04:39,359
>> Is there anything you can think of that

4841
03:04:39,359 --> 03:04:41,439
would be in the CCRs CCNRs that aren't

4842
03:04:41,439 --> 03:04:43,120
in the ordinance that

4843
03:04:43,120 --> 03:04:46,080
>> that would be potentially impactful for

4844
03:04:46,080 --> 03:04:48,640
the residents nearby?

4845
03:04:48,640 --> 03:04:51,439
>> Um the ordinance says no business use

4846
03:04:51,439 --> 03:04:53,439
that would draw in

4847
03:04:53,439 --> 03:04:54,960
>> council member. Could I just make a

4848
03:04:54,960 --> 03:04:57,840
suggestion? if you are inclined to

4849
03:04:57,840 --> 03:05:00,560
proceed with this with the text

4850
03:05:00,560 --> 03:05:05,920
amendment and it does mention CCNRs. In

4851
03:05:05,920 --> 03:05:09,920
my experience, u the city doesn't have a

4852
03:05:09,920 --> 03:05:11,600
lot of leverage unless the city is

4853
03:05:11,600 --> 03:05:14,640
either a party to the CCNRs or the city

4854
03:05:14,640 --> 03:05:17,439
is an express intended third party

4855
03:05:17,439 --> 03:05:21,040
beneficiary that can enforce the CCNRs.

4856
03:05:21,040 --> 03:05:24,479
What often happens is that HOAs

4857
03:05:24,479 --> 03:05:26,240
decide they just don't want to maintain

4858
03:05:26,240 --> 03:05:28,160
the landscaped area even though that's

4859
03:05:28,160 --> 03:05:30,399
part of their the approved covenants

4860
03:05:30,399 --> 03:05:32,479
conditions and restrictions and then and

4861
03:05:32,479 --> 03:05:33,760
then what do you do?

4862
03:05:33,760 --> 03:05:35,359
>> They just say we'll give this over to

4863
03:05:35,359 --> 03:05:40,160
you, you take care of it, city. So, um

4864
03:05:40,160 --> 03:05:42,960
there there are some ways to to improve

4865
03:05:42,960 --> 03:05:44,479
enforcement.

4866
03:05:44,479 --> 03:05:46,880
Um,

4867
03:05:46,880 --> 03:05:49,200
homeowners associations don't often go

4868
03:05:49,200 --> 03:05:50,800
after their own members because they

4869
03:05:50,800 --> 03:05:53,279
don't have a lot of money to go do that.

4870
03:05:53,279 --> 03:05:55,920
So, so there are some things we could do

4871
03:05:55,920 --> 03:06:00,080
if you decide to go that direction.

4872
03:06:00,080 --> 03:06:02,960
>> Who who maintains the exterior uh

4873
03:06:02,960 --> 03:06:05,920
landscaping? Is that

4874
03:06:05,920 --> 03:06:08,720
the owner of the business? Not not the

4875
03:06:08,720 --> 03:06:11,600
>> It would be an HOA. So, it' be us who's

4876
03:06:11,600 --> 03:06:14,640
the manager of the HOA. And so we would

4877
03:06:14,640 --> 03:06:17,120
maintain it.

4878
03:06:17,120 --> 03:06:18,720
>> All right. So you have a you have the

4879
03:06:18,720 --> 03:06:20,399
main storage facility and then you have

4880
03:06:20,399 --> 03:06:22,080
the individually owned condos.

4881
03:06:22,080 --> 03:06:22,880
>> Yeah.

4882
03:06:22,880 --> 03:06:24,560
>> Two two separate uses,

4883
03:06:24,560 --> 03:06:25,120
>> right?

4884
03:06:25,120 --> 03:06:25,680
>> Yeah.

4885
03:06:25,680 --> 03:06:28,080
>> So who who would maintain all this

4886
03:06:28,080 --> 03:06:31,439
landscaping? That's the the the owners,

4887
03:06:31,439 --> 03:06:32,479
the board.

4888
03:06:32,479 --> 03:06:35,040
>> Yeah. But it would be it Yeah. We we are

4889
03:06:35,040 --> 03:06:37,040
the we would be the management the HOA

4890
03:06:37,040 --> 03:06:38,479
management company. So right now at

4891
03:06:38,479 --> 03:06:40,160
Stack Real Estate, we have a property

4892
03:06:40,160 --> 03:06:42,479
management company as well. So manage a

4893
03:06:42,479 --> 03:06:44,319
bunch of um so we have a lot of

4894
03:06:44,319 --> 03:06:46,080
experience in managing real estate and

4895
03:06:46,080 --> 03:06:48,640
so it'd be an extension of that that

4896
03:06:48,640 --> 03:06:53,760
would be in charge of u of keeping that

4897
03:06:53,760 --> 03:06:57,510
via the HOA.

4898
03:06:57,520 --> 03:07:00,160
Right. I I uh I appreciate your efforts

4899
03:07:00,160 --> 03:07:02,080
to reach out to the residents um and

4900
03:07:02,080 --> 03:07:04,720
asking us for

4901
03:07:04,720 --> 03:07:06,880
um contact information of those who have

4902
03:07:06,880 --> 03:07:08,560
reached out. As I mentioned, I think

4903
03:07:08,560 --> 03:07:10,160
I've mentioned before, there was a

4904
03:07:10,160 --> 03:07:12,080
Facebook post in November, shortly after

4905
03:07:12,080 --> 03:07:13,279
the planning commission meeting that

4906
03:07:13,279 --> 03:07:16,000
just referred to the project as storage

4907
03:07:16,000 --> 03:07:19,279
sheds or storage units. And the 14

4908
03:07:19,279 --> 03:07:21,520
people that contacted me

4909
03:07:21,520 --> 03:07:24,000
>> shortly after that basically were

4910
03:07:24,000 --> 03:07:27,120
thinking of what you typically see in an

4911
03:07:27,120 --> 03:07:30,399
industrial area. And in my response to

4912
03:07:30,399 --> 03:07:33,200
them and then forwarding your

4913
03:07:33,200 --> 03:07:35,279
architectural concept plans last week to

4914
03:07:35,279 --> 03:07:36,960
all those individuals who reached out to

4915
03:07:36,960 --> 03:07:39,200
me before, I asked them if they were if

4916
03:07:39,200 --> 03:07:40,560
they had additional concerns they would

4917
03:07:40,560 --> 03:07:42,240
like to bring up before this meeting.

4918
03:07:42,240 --> 03:07:44,960
And I had two people respond. One was,

4919
03:07:44,960 --> 03:07:46,720
well, I saw what was there before with

4920
03:07:46,720 --> 03:07:48,640
purple and then before that with the

4921
03:07:48,640 --> 03:07:50,479
candy place because I've lived there a

4922
03:07:50,479 --> 03:07:52,319
long time. I definitely don't want

4923
03:07:52,319 --> 03:07:54,399
anything that brings traffic and more

4924
03:07:54,399 --> 03:07:56,560
parking along the street. And I've had

4925
03:07:56,560 --> 03:07:57,840
people talk to me about all the parking

4926
03:07:57,840 --> 03:07:59,840
that took place in the church parking

4927
03:07:59,840 --> 03:08:02,160
lot across the street. And I personally

4928
03:08:02,160 --> 03:08:04,160
had extensive experience with that in

4929
03:08:04,160 --> 03:08:05,680
the last I think we've been going to

4930
03:08:05,680 --> 03:08:07,359
that church for the last nine years when

4931
03:08:07,359 --> 03:08:09,439
they moved us from the one here by the

4932
03:08:09,439 --> 03:08:13,600
roundabout. And on our nights with the

4933
03:08:13,600 --> 03:08:16,319
youth, there were always, as you showed

4934
03:08:16,319 --> 03:08:18,800
in your picture, cars and cars from the

4935
03:08:18,800 --> 03:08:21,439
purple employees that were there and all

4936
03:08:21,439 --> 03:08:24,080
along the street. And obviously I I

4937
03:08:24,080 --> 03:08:25,600
would see think the residents were very

4938
03:08:25,600 --> 03:08:27,120
concerned about that and now we're going

4939
03:08:27,120 --> 03:08:28,800
to have one employee there it sounds

4940
03:08:28,800 --> 03:08:32,000
like um and then the occasional people

4941
03:08:32,000 --> 03:08:34,080
coming in. So the biggest concern to me

4942
03:08:34,080 --> 03:08:36,399
from the resident expressed was traffic

4943
03:08:36,399 --> 03:08:38,800
and safety anesthetics. And it sounds

4944
03:08:38,800 --> 03:08:40,560
like the traffic and safety from these

4945
03:08:40,560 --> 03:08:43,120
two residents that have replied is we

4946
03:08:43,120 --> 03:08:45,600
would much rather have this business

4947
03:08:45,600 --> 03:08:48,080
than some of the potential businesses.

4948
03:08:48,080 --> 03:08:52,160
And what Ryan said briefly was

4949
03:08:52,160 --> 03:08:54,640
prior to this proposal, the proposals to

4950
03:08:54,640 --> 03:08:57,200
the city council before have been

4951
03:08:57,200 --> 03:08:59,680
returning to industrial use, which the

4952
03:08:59,680 --> 03:09:02,399
city council um voted down on a five to

4953
03:09:02,399 --> 03:09:04,080
zero vote. We didn't want that kind of

4954
03:09:04,080 --> 03:09:06,399
traffic in the area and trucks. And then

4955
03:09:06,399 --> 03:09:07,760
the other proposals were mixed

4956
03:09:07,760 --> 03:09:10,800
residential, retail use, high density

4957
03:09:10,800 --> 03:09:12,160
that would have would have brought

4958
03:09:12,160 --> 03:09:13,840
significant traffic. And you had the

4959
03:09:13,840 --> 03:09:15,760
list of all the potential things that

4960
03:09:15,760 --> 03:09:17,600
could be done on there. Not a lot of

4961
03:09:17,600 --> 03:09:19,040
those would work with that existing

4962
03:09:19,040 --> 03:09:20,640
building. What do you think? 43,000

4963
03:09:20,640 --> 03:09:24,080
square feet of usable space. So, also

4964
03:09:24,080 --> 03:09:27,520
considering that, um, for me, this seems

4965
03:09:27,520 --> 03:09:30,880
like a very viable use of that property

4966
03:09:30,880 --> 03:09:34,160
the way it is. The other person and

4967
03:09:34,160 --> 03:09:36,240
Andrew referenced these questions. I

4968
03:09:36,240 --> 03:09:37,520
would just like to pose some of these to

4969
03:09:37,520 --> 03:09:39,840
you because they haven't been some of

4970
03:09:39,840 --> 03:09:41,439
them haven't been addressed yet.

4971
03:09:41,439 --> 03:09:43,359
>> Is what should residents expect in terms

4972
03:09:43,359 --> 03:09:46,319
of the duration, noise, and impact of

4973
03:09:46,319 --> 03:09:48,160
the construction process?

4974
03:09:48,160 --> 03:09:50,240
>> Yeah, I understand that concern for

4975
03:09:50,240 --> 03:09:52,319
sure. Um, we anticipate it to take us

4976
03:09:52,319 --> 03:09:55,279
about 12 months to build. Um and we in

4977
03:09:55,279 --> 03:09:57,120
speaking with all the neighbors, our our

4978
03:09:57,120 --> 03:10:00,000
commitment is we'll do our best to keep

4979
03:10:00,000 --> 03:10:03,040
it um as as quiet, communicate in

4980
03:10:03,040 --> 03:10:06,800
advance with uh what whatever work is

4981
03:10:06,800 --> 03:10:08,960
taking place. Uh we we talked to one

4982
03:10:08,960 --> 03:10:10,720
neighbor who runs the the event center

4983
03:10:10,720 --> 03:10:12,800
and their concern was what time of year

4984
03:10:12,800 --> 03:10:13,840
are you going to be building that

4985
03:10:13,840 --> 03:10:15,920
building? And our response is we don't

4986
03:10:15,920 --> 03:10:17,680
know exactly the timing of when we'd be

4987
03:10:17,680 --> 03:10:19,359
able to pull a building permit. So,

4988
03:10:19,359 --> 03:10:22,160
because I don't know the time I'll be able to pull a building permit,

4989
03:10:22,160 --> 03:10:24,240
I don't know when I would start that.

4990
03:10:24,240 --> 03:10:26,319
But understanding their seasonal

4991
03:10:26,319 --> 03:10:28,479
business that is next door is we would

4992
03:10:28,479 --> 03:10:30,000
cooperate and communicate the best that

4993
03:10:30,000 --> 03:10:31,520
we could so that if there's a way for us

4994
03:10:31,520 --> 03:10:34,000
to phase it so it impacts them the

4995
03:10:34,000 --> 03:10:36,720
least, we're committed to do that, you

4996
03:10:36,720 --> 03:10:38,560
know, and so gave them my contact

4997
03:10:38,560 --> 03:10:41,040
information and that's the commitment

4998
03:10:41,040 --> 03:10:44,720
that I gave to them there. Um, but but

4999
03:10:44,720 --> 03:10:46,479
for all residences in general, I think

5000
03:10:46,479 --> 03:10:48,080
once we start construction, we're about

5001
03:10:48,080 --> 03:10:50,560
a 12-month timeline. Um, again,

5002
03:10:50,560 --> 03:10:53,040
depending on weather, if we have a

5003
03:10:53,040 --> 03:10:55,279
winter, depending on how intense the

5004
03:10:55,279 --> 03:10:58,000
winter is, those kind of things. So, um,

5005
03:10:58,000 --> 03:10:59,439
but yeah, I think our commitment is we

5006
03:10:59,439 --> 03:11:00,720
want to be good neighbors. We don't want

5007
03:11:00,720 --> 03:11:02,560
anybody to be, you know, irritated with

5008
03:11:02,560 --> 03:11:04,560
us every day. We'll have our contact

5009
03:11:04,560 --> 03:11:06,560
information to everybody that is

5010
03:11:06,560 --> 03:11:08,640
concerned. We'll have a superintendent

5011
03:11:08,640 --> 03:11:09,920
that will be able to be in touch with

5012
03:11:09,920 --> 03:11:11,439
them and communicate in advance with

5013
03:11:11,439 --> 03:11:13,359
scheduling, all that kind of stuff, and

5014
03:11:13,359 --> 03:11:14,640
we'll just try to get it done as quickly

5015
03:11:14,640 --> 03:11:18,640
as we can. So, we're minimizing impact.

5016
03:11:18,640 --> 03:11:19,279
>> Great.

5017
03:11:19,279 --> 03:11:20,399
>> Yeah, you've you've already answered

5018
03:11:20,399 --> 03:11:21,600
their other question, so I appreciate

5019
03:11:21,600 --> 03:11:24,479
that. Um, I will say this is a a

5020
03:11:24,479 --> 03:11:26,800
challenge decision is we have to weigh

5021
03:11:26,800 --> 03:11:28,479
property ownership rights, and I've I've

5022
03:11:28,479 --> 03:11:30,000
expressed this before in land use

5023
03:11:30,000 --> 03:11:31,520
decisions. You have constitutional

5024
03:11:31,520 --> 03:11:32,560
rights to use your property the way

5025
03:11:32,560 --> 03:11:36,160
you'd like. the legislative branch can

5026
03:11:36,160 --> 03:11:37,920
attempt to impose restrictions on that

5027
03:11:37,920 --> 03:11:40,960
use that has been um limited by the

5028
03:11:40,960 --> 03:11:43,840
judicial branch and we have zoning we've

5029
03:11:43,840 --> 03:11:45,760
decided the prior city council has

5030
03:11:45,760 --> 03:11:48,160
decided this is our commercial business

5031
03:11:48,160 --> 03:11:49,760
commercial zone so it's already zoned

5032
03:11:49,760 --> 03:11:50,800
business commercial that was the

5033
03:11:50,800 --> 03:11:53,840
intended use as part of our master plan

5034
03:11:53,840 --> 03:11:57,040
and the purposes of the zoning is I mean

5035
03:11:57,040 --> 03:11:58,160
I won't go through them all I've said

5036
03:11:58,160 --> 03:12:01,439
them before but you're required to do

5037
03:12:01,439 --> 03:12:03,680
have the exact same setbacks as any

5038
03:12:03,680 --> 03:12:05,520
other potential use. The height

5039
03:12:05,520 --> 03:12:07,040
restrictions, you've said your plan is

5040
03:12:07,040 --> 03:12:09,520
to have them 13 feet lower than what the

5041
03:12:09,520 --> 03:12:11,040
maximum allowed would be. Is that still

5042
03:12:11,040 --> 03:12:11,840
your plan?

5043
03:12:11,840 --> 03:12:15,279
>> Uh yeah, I think the highest is is 35 ft

5044
03:12:15,279 --> 03:12:16,960
in our setbacks. Again, we're not asking

5045
03:12:16,960 --> 03:12:19,120
for any relief along 200 North.

5046
03:12:19,120 --> 03:12:20,560
>> So looking at the other properties, not

5047
03:12:20,560 --> 03:12:23,040
in Pine as one specific example, they

5048
03:12:23,040 --> 03:12:24,640
have a very tall building, so they've

5049
03:12:24,640 --> 03:12:26,319
probably maxed out their height or close

5050
03:12:26,319 --> 03:12:29,040
to it and are on their setbacks. So,

5051
03:12:29,040 --> 03:12:32,319
it's the same the same restrictions. And

5052
03:12:32,319 --> 03:12:35,040
one of the biggest purposes of zoning is

5053
03:12:35,040 --> 03:12:37,600
to separate

5054
03:12:37,600 --> 03:12:40,080
industrial from residential to reduce

5055
03:12:40,080 --> 03:12:41,279
noise, pollution, and traffic

5056
03:12:41,279 --> 03:12:43,040
congestion. And again, looking at the

5057
03:12:43,040 --> 03:12:45,359
variable options for this, especially

5058
03:12:45,359 --> 03:12:47,520
the traffic and safety, the traffic and

5059
03:12:47,520 --> 03:12:48,880
safety concerns that the residents have

5060
03:12:48,880 --> 03:12:51,359
posed, this seems like a a very viable

5061
03:12:51,359 --> 03:12:55,120
project for that for those purposes. Um,

5062
03:12:55,120 --> 03:12:56,479
I hope everyone's listened to the

5063
03:12:56,479 --> 03:12:58,000
planning commission. They had a a very

5064
03:12:58,000 --> 03:12:59,359
good discussion about this. I'm not

5065
03:12:59,359 --> 03:13:00,880
going to bring up everything they said

5066
03:13:00,880 --> 03:13:04,000
when their decision to um recommend

5067
03:13:04,000 --> 03:13:06,720
approval on a six to zero vote, but they

5068
03:13:06,720 --> 03:13:09,359
did discuss the parking and traffic and

5069
03:13:09,359 --> 03:13:12,240
the CCNRs that control limit limit

5070
03:13:12,240 --> 03:13:14,000
access times and and those type of

5071
03:13:14,000 --> 03:13:15,600
things.

5072
03:13:15,600 --> 03:13:18,319
And one of the highlights was that and

5073
03:13:18,319 --> 03:13:19,600
this is what I asked you in our a

5074
03:13:19,600 --> 03:13:21,279
meeting several months ago is do you

5075
03:13:21,279 --> 03:13:23,439
think this will be used by alpine

5076
03:13:23,439 --> 03:13:24,800
residents? Is this filling a need for

5077
03:13:24,800 --> 03:13:26,720
alpine residents? and your response then

5078
03:13:26,720 --> 03:13:28,560
and some of the responses I've gotten

5079
03:13:28,560 --> 03:13:30,239
and not just the emails that were cut

5080
03:13:30,239 --> 03:13:31,920
and pasted from everybody else, but I've

5081
03:13:31,920 --> 03:13:33,680
asked several residents what they

5082
03:13:33,680 --> 03:13:36,000
thought about this proposal and the

5083
03:13:36,000 --> 03:13:38,560
response has been has been very positive

5084
03:13:38,560 --> 03:13:40,000
once they learn that it's not the

5085
03:13:40,000 --> 03:13:41,760
standard

5086
03:13:41,760 --> 03:13:43,760
storage facility that you that you think

5087
03:13:43,760 --> 03:13:45,120
about when you first hear storage

5088
03:13:45,120 --> 03:13:48,640
facility. And I didn't get much of a

5089
03:13:48,640 --> 03:13:50,560
response from those 14 residents other

5090
03:13:50,560 --> 03:13:52,399
than thank you for the explanation and

5091
03:13:52,399 --> 03:13:55,600
we look forward to learning more from the developer. and I really

5092
03:13:55,600 --> 03:13:56,800
appreciate you doing that. And I did

5093
03:13:56,800 --> 03:13:59,120
receive some feedback on the positive

5094
03:13:59,120 --> 03:14:00,960
nature of your interactions with them

5095
03:14:00,960 --> 03:14:05,040
and your willingness to be flexible.

5096
03:14:05,040 --> 03:14:06,720
>> All right. Uh let me just check my

5097
03:14:06,720 --> 03:14:10,710
notes.

5098
03:14:10,720 --> 03:14:13,120
» All right. I think that's it for me.

5099
03:14:13,120 --> 03:14:17,110
>> Thank you. Um Jessica,

5100
03:14:17,120 --> 03:14:19,359
» my first questions have to do with the

5101
03:14:19,359 --> 03:14:22,560
52 is it 52 individual condos?

5102
03:14:22,560 --> 03:14:25,600
>> Yeah. So those will be separately deed

5103
03:14:25,600 --> 03:14:27,760
and those will be separate owners.

5104
03:14:27,760 --> 03:14:30,880
Correct. And so what does that look like

5105
03:14:30,880 --> 03:14:32,960
if there isn't a compliance with the

5106
03:14:32,960 --> 03:14:36,000
HOA? I know I've dealt with situations

5107
03:14:36,000 --> 03:14:39,520
where individual owners

5108
03:14:39,520 --> 03:14:43,040
don't comply and it's really hard to um

5109
03:14:43,040 --> 03:14:48,309
have oversight.

5110
03:14:48,319 --> 03:14:51,760
» Yeah. I think I think um again the the

5111
03:14:51,760 --> 03:14:53,760
average purchase price on these is is

5112
03:14:53,760 --> 03:14:56,080
steep and it is a it is they're buying

5113
03:14:56,080 --> 03:14:57,760
this because it's it is a part of a

5114
03:14:57,760 --> 03:14:59,200
community as well. So there is a little

5115
03:14:59,200 --> 03:15:00,960
bit of just trust that's going to go

5116
03:15:00,960 --> 03:15:04,560
into that element. But um I mean it is

5117
03:15:04,560 --> 03:15:06,960
in our best interest if if someone's

5118
03:15:06,960 --> 03:15:09,279
buying a unit and spending a decent

5119
03:15:09,279 --> 03:15:11,760
amount of money on that unit that we

5120
03:15:11,760 --> 03:15:14,800
protect that person by saying, "Hey, you

5121
03:15:14,800 --> 03:15:19,520
know, this individual over here, we're we're highly incentivized to

5122
03:15:19,520 --> 03:15:22,800
enforce the HOA ourselves." Um but but

5123
03:15:22,800 --> 03:15:24,640
yeah, I think I think uh we we can

5124
03:15:24,640 --> 03:15:26,319
between now and a couple weeks from now,

5125
03:15:26,319 --> 03:15:27,840
we can figure out how to satisfy that

5126
03:15:27,840 --> 03:15:33,520
concern some some way or another with uh proving the teeth in that a

5127
03:15:33,520 --> 03:15:34,640
little bit more. So that that way

5128
03:15:34,640 --> 03:15:37,439
>> because now we have 52 individual not

5129
03:15:37,439 --> 03:15:39,680
accessory dwelling units but accessory

5130
03:15:39,680 --> 03:15:43,920
units deeded and owned by 52 separate

5131
03:15:43,920 --> 03:15:46,160
you know land property owners. And so

5132
03:15:46,160 --> 03:15:48,319
speaking to you know your property owner

5133
03:15:48,319 --> 03:15:51,200
rights it it changes

5134
03:15:51,200 --> 03:15:55,279
the dynamics of it being a storage unit

5135
03:15:55,279 --> 03:15:58,560
which is you know what has been proposed

5136
03:15:58,560 --> 03:16:02,560
but it actually is partly storage but

5137
03:16:02,560 --> 03:16:06,160
also partly again accessory units all

5138
03:16:06,160 --> 03:16:09,279
individually owned. And in looking at

5139
03:16:09,279 --> 03:16:12,479
that and considering it, um, it just

5140
03:16:12,479 --> 03:16:14,720
seems like there's a lot of legal

5141
03:16:14,720 --> 03:16:18,880
challenges that are unknowns. And so I

5142
03:16:18,880 --> 03:16:21,200
was just asking also from a legal

5143
03:16:21,200 --> 03:16:24,960
standpoint, what kinds of

5144
03:16:24,960 --> 03:16:27,359
you again problems could that pose?

5145
03:16:27,359 --> 03:16:30,720
Well, I believe I mentioned in in some

5146
03:16:30,720 --> 03:16:32,239
situations

5147
03:16:32,239 --> 03:16:35,680
HOAs just decide they are not interested

5148
03:16:35,680 --> 03:16:39,200
in pursuing one of their members or they

5149
03:16:39,200 --> 03:16:42,720
decide to dissolve because they don't

5150
03:16:42,720 --> 03:16:44,880
folks don't like paying assessments and

5151
03:16:44,880 --> 03:16:47,760
then they try to just the default is

5152
03:16:47,760 --> 03:16:49,680
well the city will take care of this and

5153
03:16:49,680 --> 03:16:51,439
that's

5154
03:16:51,439 --> 03:16:54,000
sometimes that's a challenge. I've I've

5155
03:16:54,000 --> 03:16:56,080
had that in some other communities where

5156
03:16:56,080 --> 03:17:00,880
that happened. And um so

5157
03:17:00,880 --> 03:17:04,960
as I as I mentioned, it's often

5158
03:17:04,960 --> 03:17:08,160
helpful to have any amendment to the

5159
03:17:08,160 --> 03:17:09,760
CCNRs

5160
03:17:09,760 --> 03:17:13,200
have to go through for city approval,

5161
03:17:13,200 --> 03:17:15,439
city consent to any amendment sometime

5162
03:17:15,439 --> 03:17:18,800
or to dissolution of the HOA.

5163
03:17:18,800 --> 03:17:23,040
>> So that's one way to do it. Um,

5164
03:17:23,040 --> 03:17:26,000
and there's kind of a, you know, nothing

5165
03:17:26,000 --> 03:17:28,239
is failsafe, but there are some things

5166
03:17:28,239 --> 03:17:30,319
that you can do, as I mentioned, to kind

5167
03:17:30,319 --> 03:17:33,279
of strengthen the city's ability in the

5168
03:17:33,279 --> 03:17:36,399
absence of a strong HOA to take care of

5169
03:17:36,399 --> 03:17:37,680
those issues.

5170
03:17:37,680 --> 03:17:39,520
>> And did you say that's through making

5171
03:17:39,520 --> 03:17:42,000
sure the code amendment would address

5172
03:17:42,000 --> 03:17:43,600
those? That's one of the ways to do it

5173
03:17:43,600 --> 03:17:45,040
to do so.

5174
03:17:45,040 --> 03:17:48,080
Well, if the code if the text amendment

5175
03:17:48,080 --> 03:17:51,520
says that CCNRs must be approved by the

5176
03:17:51,520 --> 03:17:54,479
city or in a form approved by the city,

5177
03:17:54,479 --> 03:17:58,000
then you can certainly require that.

5178
03:17:58,000 --> 03:17:59,920
>> How about landscape maintenance? That

5179
03:17:59,920 --> 03:18:01,359
type of put that language.

5180
03:18:01,359 --> 03:18:03,359
>> That's all part of the CCNRs.

5181
03:18:03,359 --> 03:18:05,439
>> So, that couldn't be part of the code

5182
03:18:05,439 --> 03:18:07,040
that they have to maintain the

5183
03:18:07,040 --> 03:18:08,080
landscaping.

5184
03:18:08,080 --> 03:18:11,680
>> You can put it in there, but you

5185
03:18:11,680 --> 03:18:13,760
Yeah, you can put in whatever you want.

5186
03:18:13,760 --> 03:18:16,080
If you want to be that specific, you can

5187
03:18:16,080 --> 03:18:19,429
do that.

5188
03:18:19,439 --> 03:18:21,520
» Yeah. And so the instance I'm thinking

5189
03:18:21,520 --> 03:18:24,160
about, it was like a million-doll

5190
03:18:24,160 --> 03:18:27,439
property and it was in an an HOA and one

5191
03:18:27,439 --> 03:18:29,040
of the residents just decided they

5192
03:18:29,040 --> 03:18:31,120
weren't going to pay the assessment and

5193
03:18:31,120 --> 03:18:33,120
it really held up the improvements of

5194
03:18:33,120 --> 03:18:35,359
the entire project because, as you know,

5195
03:18:35,359 --> 03:18:37,120
that money coming in takes care of the

5196
03:18:37,120 --> 03:18:39,840
exterior of the property. And so if

5197
03:18:39,840 --> 03:18:42,479
you've got one person that's not going

5198
03:18:42,479 --> 03:18:44,720
to pay and then you're saying everybody

5199
03:18:44,720 --> 03:18:48,000
else has to chip in and pay his share,

5200
03:18:48,000 --> 03:18:50,239
you know, now we're talking about 56

5201
03:18:50,239 --> 03:18:52,080
different owners

5202
03:18:52,080 --> 03:18:54,080
um navigating that. So that's something

5203
03:18:54,080 --> 03:18:57,040
to keep top of mind. I also when you

5204
03:18:57,040 --> 03:18:57,439
looked at

5205
03:18:57,439 --> 03:18:58,640
>> Let's address that real quick.

5206
03:18:58,640 --> 03:19:00,880
>> Well, can I go because you went Yeah. So

5207
03:19:00,880 --> 03:19:02,479
when you talked about traffic, you had

5208
03:19:02,479 --> 03:19:04,239
talked about traffic again as a self

5209
03:19:04,239 --> 03:19:06,800
storage. Do we have any traffic data

5210
03:19:06,800 --> 03:19:09,040
around condos?

5211
03:19:09,040 --> 03:19:17,040
Um, so two parts. Um, I I think on the HOA side of it, we'll agree to

5212
03:19:17,040 --> 03:19:18,560
figure out how to to how to put a little

5213
03:19:18,560 --> 03:19:19,760
bit more teeth in that, work with you

5214
03:19:19,760 --> 03:19:20,800
guys to figure that out because I think

5215
03:19:20,800 --> 03:19:23,200
we're mutually incentivized to make sure

5216
03:19:23,200 --> 03:19:25,680
that that happens. So, I guess that

5217
03:19:25,680 --> 03:19:29,200
side. Um, as far as that, uh, yeah, this

5218
03:19:29,200 --> 03:19:31,120
these going to operate very sim because

5219
03:19:31,120 --> 03:19:32,560
they're being used as self- storage

5220
03:19:32,560 --> 03:19:34,239
facilities

5221
03:19:34,239 --> 03:19:36,080
similar to a self- storage. anticipate

5222
03:19:36,080 --> 03:19:38,880
traffic to be similar, you know, as far

5223
03:19:38,880 --> 03:19:41,920
as usage. These type of units is it is

5224
03:19:41,920 --> 03:19:44,239
storage in nature. So, you're not going

5225
03:19:44,239 --> 03:19:45,920
to be having every one of these guys

5226
03:19:45,920 --> 03:19:48,319
visit their units or these families in

5227
03:19:48,319 --> 03:19:51,520
visit their units every single day. Um,

5228
03:19:51,520 --> 03:19:53,840
and so in similar facilities like this

5229
03:19:53,840 --> 03:19:55,279
that we've that we visited, their

5230
03:19:55,279 --> 03:19:56,880
parking and their requirements that way

5231
03:19:56,880 --> 03:20:01,680
are very similar. So, traffic also very low. Um,

5232
03:20:01,680 --> 03:20:04,560
but yeah.

5233
03:20:04,560 --> 03:20:07,359
Do you have any like places where you

5234
03:20:07,359 --> 03:20:09,439
could do a traffic study or get us

5235
03:20:09,439 --> 03:20:10,720
traffic information?

5236
03:20:10,720 --> 03:20:11,120
>> Absolutely.

5237
03:20:11,120 --> 03:20:12,560
>> On what that would look like?

5238
03:20:12,560 --> 03:20:13,920
>> Yeah, we could do that.

5239
03:20:13,920 --> 03:20:14,960
>> We could provide that.

5240
03:20:14,960 --> 03:20:16,319
>> There's going to be improvements in the

5241
03:20:16,319 --> 03:20:19,040
condos, correct? Running water. Can you

5242
03:20:19,040 --> 03:20:20,479
speak to some of the improvements that

5243
03:20:20,479 --> 03:20:22,080
will be inside the condos?

5244
03:20:22,080 --> 03:20:24,319
>> Yeah, on average, the larger units that

5245
03:20:24,319 --> 03:20:26,080
are 30 feet wide or so, I would imagine

5246
03:20:26,080 --> 03:20:27,840
there's going to be a bathroom, so

5247
03:20:27,840 --> 03:20:29,359
there'll be plumbing in there. There'll

5248
03:20:29,359 --> 03:20:32,560
be a kitchenet, so like a small kitchen.

5249
03:20:32,560 --> 03:20:35,040
um and then a mezzanine layer and so and

5250
03:20:35,040 --> 03:20:38,160
HVAC or so. So they may go epoxy the

5251
03:20:38,160 --> 03:20:40,960
floor, paint it, put some lighting, but

5252
03:20:40,960 --> 03:20:42,640
that's about the extent of it. So it's

5253
03:20:42,640 --> 03:20:43,920
restricted. No one can be sleeping

5254
03:20:43,920 --> 03:20:46,160
there, all that kind of stuff. So but it

5255
03:20:46,160 --> 03:20:48,720
could be could be a a half bath or

5256
03:20:48,720 --> 03:20:51,040
bathroom in there. Yeah.

5257
03:20:51,040 --> 03:20:53,920
>> So maybe more visits than just your

5258
03:20:53,920 --> 03:20:56,319
storage unit possibly.

5259
03:20:56,319 --> 03:20:58,960
>> Yeah. Yeah. But Yeah. Yeah.

5260
03:20:58,960 --> 03:21:01,279
>> Okay. So that's just again about traffic

5261
03:21:01,279 --> 03:21:03,920
and ownership. I wanted to move into

5262
03:21:03,920 --> 03:21:06,000
Andrew. You had mentioned something you

5263
03:21:06,000 --> 03:21:08,319
know a resident had said why don't we

5264
03:21:08,319 --> 03:21:10,319
have a plan first and then look at what

5265
03:21:10,319 --> 03:21:12,720
fits in our plan. We actually do have a

5266
03:21:12,720 --> 03:21:14,479
plan. It's we've been working on it for

5267
03:21:14,479 --> 03:21:17,279
almost three years now. It's called um

5268
03:21:17,279 --> 03:21:20,640
the gateway corridor small area plan. I

5269
03:21:20,640 --> 03:21:23,520
believe we secured a grant and it's like

5270
03:21:23,520 --> 03:21:26,319
a I think a $90,000

5271
03:21:26,319 --> 03:21:29,200
study and hundreds of residents in

5272
03:21:29,200 --> 03:21:31,920
Alpine have been given their input.

5273
03:21:31,920 --> 03:21:34,080
We've looked at this area and we

5274
03:21:34,080 --> 03:21:37,520
designated this area, it's still almost

5275
03:21:37,520 --> 03:21:40,319
across the finish line, but we did have

5276
03:21:40,319 --> 03:21:42,479
um a designation for it as a transition

5277
03:21:42,479 --> 03:21:45,359
zone because of the reason that we have

5278
03:21:45,359 --> 03:21:48,160
commercial moving into residential. So

5279
03:21:48,160 --> 03:21:50,800
if you look at the definition of a

5280
03:21:50,800 --> 03:21:54,000
transition zone, it's actually where you

5281
03:21:54,000 --> 03:21:58,000
the usage goes from commercial to a

5282
03:21:58,000 --> 03:22:01,520
lower impact usage to then residential

5283
03:22:01,520 --> 03:22:04,000
single family. So just when I look at

5284
03:22:04,000 --> 03:22:06,800
this project alone and I consider

5285
03:22:06,800 --> 03:22:11,279
commercial and then a lighter impact to

5286
03:22:11,279 --> 03:22:13,840
a single family home.

5287
03:22:13,840 --> 03:22:18,080
I don't view an industrial use as um and

5288
03:22:18,080 --> 03:22:20,560
not just me but city planning doesn't

5289
03:22:20,560 --> 03:22:23,920
view industrial use as a lighter impact

5290
03:22:23,920 --> 03:22:27,520
from commercial. And so I see this in

5291
03:22:27,520 --> 03:22:31,120
conflict with our plan for this area.

5292
03:22:31,120 --> 03:22:33,760
It's a gateway historic and it's really

5293
03:22:33,760 --> 03:22:36,000
the core and the heart of our community

5294
03:22:36,000 --> 03:22:39,200
in a lot of ways. It's where the old um

5295
03:22:39,200 --> 03:22:42,000
original school was built and a lot of

5296
03:22:42,000 --> 03:22:44,479
the residents that live in Alpine today

5297
03:22:44,479 --> 03:22:50,399
still went to that school. And so it's very um inongruent

5298
03:22:50,399 --> 03:22:53,840
and not aligned with Alpine identity. So

5299
03:22:53,840 --> 03:22:57,279
that's my thoughts on

5300
03:22:57,279 --> 03:22:59,840
the gateway corridor plan because we

5301
03:22:59,840 --> 03:23:02,160
identified it as a transition. Now

5302
03:23:02,160 --> 03:23:04,880
again, there were some options for what

5303
03:23:04,880 --> 03:23:07,840
you're looking at things like if this

5304
03:23:07,840 --> 03:23:10,560
kind of improvement was put in a

5305
03:23:10,560 --> 03:23:13,279
transition area. It is typically done

5306
03:23:13,279 --> 03:23:16,399
with 30 to 50 foot setbacks. So it's not

5307
03:23:16,399 --> 03:23:19,120
a never situation, but it's a situation

5308
03:23:19,120 --> 03:23:21,840
where it needs to be compatible with its

5309
03:23:21,840 --> 03:23:24,319
surroundings. I think you told me this

5310
03:23:24,319 --> 03:23:28,479
has 15 foot setbacks maybe sometimes 19

5311
03:23:28,479 --> 03:23:29,760
>> on the

5312
03:23:29,760 --> 03:23:31,760
>> correct. Yeah. So along along the front

5313
03:23:31,760 --> 03:23:34,160
road along 200 north there's a 15 foot

5314
03:23:34,160 --> 03:23:36,640
frontage setback and then with the jogs

5315
03:23:36,640 --> 03:23:38,319
in the building to kind of provide that

5316
03:23:38,319 --> 03:23:39,920
relief. Some of those are as deep as

5317
03:23:39,920 --> 03:23:42,319
four which would be 19 or so. Yeah.

5318
03:23:42,319 --> 03:23:44,640
>> So again, reading about this, typically

5319
03:23:44,640 --> 03:23:46,479
for a transition area, you would see a

5320
03:23:46,479 --> 03:23:49,840
30 to 50 foot setback for this kind of

5321
03:23:49,840 --> 03:23:52,479
um industrial use if a city wanted to go

5322
03:23:52,479 --> 03:23:55,680
that direction. Um,

5323
03:23:55,680 --> 03:23:57,760
lastly,

5324
03:23:57,760 --> 03:24:00,239
as far as bulk and massing, I think it

5325
03:24:00,239 --> 03:24:03,600
was two or three months ago, we had

5326
03:24:03,600 --> 03:24:05,279
taken a deep dive into our bulk and

5327
03:24:05,279 --> 03:24:06,880
massing ordinances and we actually

5328
03:24:06,880 --> 03:24:12,960
looked at um quantifying a 15% maximum

5329
03:24:12,960 --> 03:24:17,359
allowable coverage of a lot in the

5330
03:24:17,359 --> 03:24:20,399
commercial area or pretty much in this

5331
03:24:20,399 --> 03:24:23,279
downtown area. And I think I saw that

5332
03:24:23,279 --> 03:24:27,439
this covers 55% of the lot. So again,

5333
03:24:27,439 --> 03:24:29,040
you know, kind of aligning with Andrew's

5334
03:24:29,040 --> 03:24:32,800
message. Is this a no never? I wouldn't

5335
03:24:32,800 --> 03:24:35,840
say that, but it needs a lot of work to

5336
03:24:35,840 --> 03:24:39,200
hit transitional. I mean, to hit again,

5337
03:24:39,200 --> 03:24:42,640
we were talking about a 15% requirement.

5338
03:24:42,640 --> 03:24:45,279
>> I don't remember that 15 point. No,

5339
03:24:45,279 --> 03:24:48,479
>> that's way extreme. Yeah, that that was

5340
03:24:48,479 --> 03:24:50,800
what I believe went in front of planning

5341
03:24:50,800 --> 03:24:51,920
commission

5342
03:24:51,920 --> 03:24:52,880
>> 15%

5343
03:24:52,880 --> 03:24:55,600
>> five is for schools

5344
03:24:55,600 --> 03:24:58,720
>> it for bulk and mass

5345
03:24:58,720 --> 03:25:00,720
>> no that's for schools specifically

5346
03:25:00,720 --> 03:25:02,319
>> so I know Chrissy you've been working on

5347
03:25:02,319 --> 03:25:06,960
bulk and massing this is covers 55%

5348
03:25:06,960 --> 03:25:08,960
of the per

5349
03:25:08,960 --> 03:25:10,640
>> I've been focused on residential to be

5350
03:25:10,640 --> 03:25:11,920
honest with you

5351
03:25:11,920 --> 03:25:13,920
>> okay

5352
03:25:13,920 --> 03:25:16,880
so but in taking in that And and I think

5353
03:25:16,880 --> 03:25:18,800
part of what's been guiding that is

5354
03:25:18,800 --> 03:25:20,720
keeping the look and feel and preserving

5355
03:25:20,720 --> 03:25:23,760
Alpine. And so I feel like bulk and

5356
03:25:23,760 --> 03:25:25,680
massing I guess we've been looking at it

5357
03:25:25,680 --> 03:25:29,520
as residential and schools but excluding

5358
03:25:29,520 --> 03:25:32,560
commercial. Yeah. So that's a concern is

5359
03:25:32,560 --> 03:25:35,279
that it covers 55%.

5360
03:25:35,279 --> 03:25:38,309
Um

5361
03:25:38,319 --> 03:25:40,800
let me see if there was any as far as

5362
03:25:40,800 --> 03:25:45,750
questions go.

5363
03:25:45,760 --> 03:25:48,399
I can't imagine,

5364
03:25:48,399 --> 03:25:49,840
you know, if you, let's say you're

5365
03:25:49,840 --> 03:25:52,000
looking at Main Street and looking at a

5366
03:25:52,000 --> 03:25:53,760
project,

5367
03:25:53,760 --> 03:25:56,319
um, like a commercial project that's

5368
03:25:56,319 --> 03:25:58,399
going in, and let's say it's, you know,

5369
03:25:58,399 --> 03:26:00,720
on a quarter acre, which is really what

5370
03:26:00,720 --> 03:26:04,319
a lot of these lots are. Um, if you're

5371
03:26:04,319 --> 03:26:06,880
saying that this is, what was it? 52%

5372
03:26:06,880 --> 03:26:07,920
51.

5373
03:26:07,920 --> 03:26:10,080
>> It's 55%.

5374
03:26:10,080 --> 03:26:12,160
I can't imagine a business going in

5375
03:26:12,160 --> 03:26:14,560
there less than 55% of a quarter acre

5376
03:26:14,560 --> 03:26:16,080
lot.

5377
03:26:16,080 --> 03:26:17,520
So if you're going to look at the bulk

5378
03:26:17,520 --> 03:26:19,920
and massing, let's do it all across the

5379
03:26:19,920 --> 03:26:24,080
BC. Um, you know, for me it's let's be

5380
03:26:24,080 --> 03:26:26,319
specific about it. And if you want the

5381
03:26:26,319 --> 03:26:28,880
bulking massing to be less than that,

5382
03:26:28,880 --> 03:26:30,560
then consider all the businesses that

5383
03:26:30,560 --> 03:26:33,279
are in Main Street. Almost none of them

5384
03:26:33,279 --> 03:26:35,279
would be compliant if you're requiring

5385
03:26:35,279 --> 03:26:38,239
>> but our but they comply with our BC

5386
03:26:38,239 --> 03:26:40,479
zoning.

5387
03:26:40,479 --> 03:26:41,600
So that's the difference.

5388
03:26:41,600 --> 03:26:47,590
>> Not all of them.

5389
03:26:47,600 --> 03:26:51,840
» Again, um in looking at land use, it is

5390
03:26:51,840 --> 03:26:53,439
you you're saying 100 years. I'm just

5391
03:26:53,439 --> 03:26:55,200
going to go with 50 because I won't be

5392
03:26:55,200 --> 03:26:58,000
here in 50. But it's a big decision and

5393
03:26:58,000 --> 03:27:02,000
there's this is um

5394
03:27:02,000 --> 03:27:04,000
I would say

5395
03:27:04,000 --> 03:27:06,720
very very far from

5396
03:27:06,720 --> 03:27:12,399
the alpine look and feel rural. Um

5397
03:27:12,399 --> 03:27:14,560
you know fixing the density, you know,

5398
03:27:14,560 --> 03:27:17,040
we don't just have what does it look on

5399
03:27:17,040 --> 03:27:18,720
the outside, the exterior, the

5400
03:27:18,720 --> 03:27:20,880
landscaping. There's a lot of other

5401
03:27:20,880 --> 03:27:25,920
moving parts in this that seems um

5402
03:27:25,920 --> 03:27:29,359
pretty far away from again protecting

5403
03:27:29,359 --> 03:27:31,920
Alpine historic

5404
03:27:31,920 --> 03:27:34,880
identity. And as all of the open houses

5405
03:27:34,880 --> 03:27:37,680
we sat in and the hundreds of hours

5406
03:27:37,680 --> 03:27:42,239
we've spent on this plan, I don't recall

5407
03:27:42,239 --> 03:27:44,560
one resident saying we need storage

5408
03:27:44,560 --> 03:27:47,200
units. So, I mean, I think it's great

5409
03:27:47,200 --> 03:27:49,439
that you've identified a a niche and

5410
03:27:49,439 --> 03:27:53,120
that some people would prefer to own a

5411
03:27:53,120 --> 03:27:56,880
condo here, but I don't think it meets

5412
03:27:56,880 --> 03:28:00,389
our identity.

5413
03:28:00,399 --> 03:28:00,960
» Sarah,

5414
03:28:00,960 --> 03:28:03,120
>> can I can I comment to that? Is that all

5415
03:28:03,120 --> 03:28:06,319
right? Um, I think I think it's

5416
03:28:06,319 --> 03:28:08,239
important, and this is just my position,

5417
03:28:08,239 --> 03:28:10,800
that you need to compare it to what the

5418
03:28:10,800 --> 03:28:12,880
likely alternatives for this specific

5419
03:28:12,880 --> 03:28:15,520
site could be.

5420
03:28:15,520 --> 03:28:18,960
And you know, so I think that that's more of what we're looking at of

5421
03:28:18,960 --> 03:28:22,479
what could be here, which historically

5422
03:28:22,479 --> 03:28:24,720
has been industrial.

5423
03:28:24,720 --> 03:28:27,840
Um, highdensity retail, which we have

5424
03:28:27,840 --> 03:28:30,720
experience with from our numbers of what

5425
03:28:30,720 --> 03:28:33,439
we've done, doesn't pencil. There's not

5426
03:28:33,439 --> 03:28:35,359
a way for us to incentivize a tenant to

5427
03:28:35,359 --> 03:28:37,680
go on this small of a street and pay the

5428
03:28:37,680 --> 03:28:39,439
rent that would requ be required in

5429
03:28:39,439 --> 03:28:42,880
order to justify doing retail. Um, and

5430
03:28:42,880 --> 03:28:45,120
highdensity housing

5431
03:28:45,120 --> 03:28:46,800
also has been shot down and I think

5432
03:28:46,800 --> 03:28:48,880
that's a heavy piece of this. So, we're

5433
03:28:48,880 --> 03:28:50,239
comparing more of like what the

5434
03:28:50,239 --> 03:28:53,040
potential options are here versus what a

5435
03:28:53,040 --> 03:28:56,399
perfect scenario would be for this site

5436
03:28:56,399 --> 03:28:58,479
stripping all the rest of that away. So

5437
03:28:58,479 --> 03:29:00,319
that that that's I think an important

5438
03:29:00,319 --> 03:29:03,439
element of this specific property and

5439
03:29:03,439 --> 03:29:04,960
that was a conversation we had with the

5440
03:29:04,960 --> 03:29:06,560
planning commission that was part of

5441
03:29:06,560 --> 03:29:10,479
their decision of yeah not ideal but in

5442
03:29:10,479 --> 03:29:12,800
this specific scenario it makes sense.

5443
03:29:12,800 --> 03:29:16,800
So I think that's that's a just a a

5444
03:29:16,800 --> 03:29:17,279
comment.

5445
03:29:17,279 --> 03:29:18,800
>> Yeah. And just as a followup to that if

5446
03:29:18,800 --> 03:29:21,600
I could um you mentioned the small area

5447
03:29:21,600 --> 03:29:25,120
plan gateway quarter plan lower impact.

5448
03:29:25,120 --> 03:29:28,560
>> What is the impact? I mean, if if retail

5449
03:29:28,560 --> 03:29:30,160
is a better use there, you think that's

5450
03:29:30,160 --> 03:29:32,319
less impact, that's going to create

5451
03:29:32,319 --> 03:29:33,840
significant traffic and parking. That

5452
03:29:33,840 --> 03:29:35,040
seems to be the one of the biggest

5453
03:29:35,040 --> 03:29:37,120
concerns of the local residents. It's

5454
03:29:37,120 --> 03:29:39,120
already a fairly busy street. And when

5455
03:29:39,120 --> 03:29:43,359
it was busy during the purple days, it

5456
03:29:43,359 --> 03:29:45,439
was chaos there. I mean, trying to get a

5457
03:29:45,439 --> 03:29:46,880
parking spot in my own church parking

5458
03:29:46,880 --> 03:29:50,560
lot um was often challenging. And there

5459
03:29:50,560 --> 03:29:52,239
were cars parked all along the street. I

5460
03:29:52,239 --> 03:29:54,560
would run along there all the time. And

5461
03:29:54,560 --> 03:29:57,920
as you know, more cars, less safe for

5462
03:29:57,920 --> 03:29:59,760
pedestrians and bikes. So, when you

5463
03:29:59,760 --> 03:30:02,560
think of lower impact, that's one of my

5464
03:30:02,560 --> 03:30:04,319
and this was mentioned by the planning

5465
03:30:04,319 --> 03:30:05,600
commission by several of the planning

5466
03:30:05,600 --> 03:30:07,680
commission members is that that's what

5467
03:30:07,680 --> 03:30:10,560
they liked about this is the low impact

5468
03:30:10,560 --> 03:30:13,600
to the neighborhood uh particularly with

5469
03:30:13,600 --> 03:30:17,040
traffic and and that's why we didn't

5470
03:30:17,040 --> 03:30:19,200
want industrial use. There was all these

5471
03:30:19,200 --> 03:30:20,800
the trucks and the traffic,

5472
03:30:20,800 --> 03:30:23,200
>> right? But so those those two are false

5473
03:30:23,200 --> 03:30:25,680
assumptions. You're talking about an

5474
03:30:25,680 --> 03:30:28,800
industrial use that no longer is allowed

5475
03:30:28,800 --> 03:30:30,239
because it fell out of

5476
03:30:30,239 --> 03:30:32,000
>> saying if it's a retail commercial.

5477
03:30:32,000 --> 03:30:33,600
>> Well, wait, you compared it to the

5478
03:30:33,600 --> 03:30:35,600
parking during the purple days. And so

5479
03:30:35,600 --> 03:30:37,760
that creates an image that no longer

5480
03:30:37,760 --> 03:30:39,600
will exist because that usage is no

5481
03:30:39,600 --> 03:30:41,920
longer allowed. And that it's also a

5482
03:30:41,920 --> 03:30:44,239
false assumption because I did get quite

5483
03:30:44,239 --> 03:30:47,600
a few emails saying, you know, again to

5484
03:30:47,600 --> 03:30:51,920
your point, if not this, then what else?

5485
03:30:51,920 --> 03:30:55,439
That's our job as the overseers of the

5486
03:30:55,439 --> 03:30:57,439
land use and the identity of our

5487
03:30:57,439 --> 03:30:59,840
community. Like if not this, then what

5488
03:30:59,840 --> 03:31:02,239
else? We have a whole list of things

5489
03:31:02,239 --> 03:31:03,680
that are allowed.

5490
03:31:03,680 --> 03:31:07,040
>> We have a whole community of people that

5491
03:31:07,040 --> 03:31:10,080
want Alpine preserved. I don't know the

5492
03:31:10,080 --> 03:31:12,319
answer. What else? But I can look at

5493
03:31:12,319 --> 03:31:16,239
this and say, does this fit with the

5494
03:31:16,239 --> 03:31:19,200
identity of Alpine? And so I don't see

5495
03:31:19,200 --> 03:31:21,840
that we should make decisions,

5496
03:31:21,840 --> 03:31:24,319
legislative decisions to fit something

5497
03:31:24,319 --> 03:31:27,120
into a space just because

5498
03:31:27,120 --> 03:31:30,479
that not perfect use has been revealed,

5499
03:31:30,479 --> 03:31:33,200
but the use just hasn't been a fit yet.

5500
03:31:33,200 --> 03:31:35,439
We're just not there yet. And that's

5501
03:31:35,439 --> 03:31:40,319
actually fairly normal in this process.

5502
03:31:40,319 --> 03:31:40,560
C

5503
03:31:40,560 --> 03:31:42,239
>> can I speak to the transition zone?

5504
03:31:42,239 --> 03:31:44,160
>> Can we have Can we listen to Sarah? It's

5505
03:31:44,160 --> 03:31:45,359
getting late.

5506
03:31:45,359 --> 03:31:48,960
>> Let's hear Sarah's um

5507
03:31:48,960 --> 03:31:49,920
on this and she has

5508
03:31:49,920 --> 03:31:52,640
>> Sarah has a twoour sermon.

5509
03:31:52,640 --> 03:31:55,200
>> I'm not that longwinded. Um first of

5510
03:31:55,200 --> 03:31:57,200
all, I appreciate how sensitive you've

5511
03:31:57,200 --> 03:32:00,000
been to the residents. Um I love that

5512
03:32:00,000 --> 03:32:01,520
you're keeping you plan to keep the

5513
03:32:01,520 --> 03:32:04,160
historic monument. I mean, I just I

5514
03:32:04,160 --> 03:32:07,760
appreciate that as a as a like a a

5515
03:32:07,760 --> 03:32:10,399
partnership with the city. This I I

5516
03:32:10,399 --> 03:32:12,319
think that you've made it really easy

5517
03:32:12,319 --> 03:32:14,000
for us to communicate and get our

5518
03:32:14,000 --> 03:32:15,840
questions answered. So, I admire that.

5519
03:32:15,840 --> 03:32:18,960
Um, I just wanted to I just a few

5520
03:32:18,960 --> 03:32:20,960
concerns. My concerns mostly are just

5521
03:32:20,960 --> 03:32:24,880
with having a a co uh a code amendment

5522
03:32:24,880 --> 03:32:28,560
in general. Um, but I do have just two

5523
03:32:28,560 --> 03:32:31,200
really quick questions. Um, one was kind

5524
03:32:31,200 --> 03:32:32,640
of already answered, but there are

5525
03:32:32,640 --> 03:32:36,319
restrooms in the luxury condo. That that

5526
03:32:36,319 --> 03:32:38,080
just for me is a concern because I know

5527
03:32:38,080 --> 03:32:39,600
we're not allowing people to live in

5528
03:32:39,600 --> 03:32:42,000
those, but I can see people trying to do

5529
03:32:42,000 --> 03:32:46,000
that. So, that is a concern. Um, one

5530
03:32:46,000 --> 03:32:48,080
other thought that I had is I'm just

5531
03:32:48,080 --> 03:32:49,760
calling other storage units around and

5532
03:32:49,760 --> 03:32:52,080
kind of figuring out. They like at

5533
03:32:52,080 --> 03:32:54,080
Highland Hideway, they have an employee,

5534
03:32:54,080 --> 03:32:56,000
their manager that stays there, like

5535
03:32:56,000 --> 03:32:58,239
lives there on site year round. I'm just

5536
03:32:58,239 --> 03:32:59,840
confirming that's not what you guys are

5537
03:32:59,840 --> 03:33:00,720
planning on doing.

5538
03:33:00,720 --> 03:33:02,640
>> Correct. We could also add that if if

5539
03:33:02,640 --> 03:33:03,200
we're adding

5540
03:33:03,200 --> 03:33:04,640
>> said like 9 to5 or something.

5541
03:33:04,640 --> 03:33:06,479
>> Yeah, we don't we don't that that's a

5542
03:33:06,479 --> 03:33:08,960
very um historically a very old school

5543
03:33:08,960 --> 03:33:10,319
way of operating a self-s storage

5544
03:33:10,319 --> 03:33:12,560
facility, but it's it's effective, you

5545
03:33:12,560 --> 03:33:14,880
know, for for that. But we use cameras

5546
03:33:14,880 --> 03:33:17,279
and so we got a lot of cameras that'll

5547
03:33:17,279 --> 03:33:18,880
and then also our building is all

5548
03:33:18,880 --> 03:33:21,200
enclosed in one building instead of

5549
03:33:21,200 --> 03:33:25,439
multiple buildings kind of like that facility is. So in order to get in,

5550
03:33:25,439 --> 03:33:26,800
you got to use a key code. It's the only

5551
03:33:26,800 --> 03:33:28,720
way you can get a door to open. So, we

5552
03:33:28,720 --> 03:33:30,960
don't we don't I don't feel like we need

5553
03:33:30,960 --> 03:33:32,960
an individual that lives there. So, we

5554
03:33:32,960 --> 03:33:34,800
can be willing to add that as a

5555
03:33:34,800 --> 03:33:38,399
restriction of no on-site uh residence.

5556
03:33:38,399 --> 03:33:39,439
Um

5557
03:33:39,439 --> 03:33:41,200
>> I think that falls to our ordinance. You

5558
03:33:41,200 --> 03:33:43,120
can't live in commercial property.

5559
03:33:43,120 --> 03:33:44,560
>> Yeah.

5560
03:33:44,560 --> 03:33:46,880
>> And and then my last question is just um

5561
03:33:46,880 --> 03:33:48,960
I noticed there's a clubhouse. Can you

5562
03:33:48,960 --> 03:33:50,720
just kind of explain like what do you

5563
03:33:50,720 --> 03:33:52,800
foresee that being used for? Are there

5564
03:33:52,800 --> 03:33:54,800
hours that that will be allowed to be

5565
03:33:54,800 --> 03:33:57,120
utilized? Is it just for people that own

5566
03:33:57,120 --> 03:34:00,800
the luxury condo units or anyone who has

5567
03:34:00,800 --> 03:34:03,040
a a storage unit?

5568
03:34:03,040 --> 03:34:05,200
>> Yeah, so it's just for the members that

5569
03:34:05,200 --> 03:34:08,800
own a unit to be able to use uh in it

5570
03:34:08,800 --> 03:34:12,960
would be uh like a a lounge type TV

5571
03:34:12,960 --> 03:34:15,600
couches and a kitchenet type area for

5572
03:34:15,600 --> 03:34:17,760
owners to gather, talk about their

5573
03:34:17,760 --> 03:34:19,040
whatever they want to talk about, hang

5574
03:34:19,040 --> 03:34:20,560
out. And then there'll also be a little

5575
03:34:20,560 --> 03:34:23,359
conference room. So, if I owned one and

5576
03:34:23,359 --> 03:34:24,640
I needed to have a meeting or something

5577
03:34:24,640 --> 03:34:26,080
like that that I could do that quickly

5578
03:34:26,080 --> 03:34:28,640
there, take a Zoom call uh just for just

5579
03:34:28,640 --> 03:34:30,399
mainly for convenience. So, it's an

5580
03:34:30,399 --> 03:34:32,960
amenity to the owners to be able to use.

5581
03:34:32,960 --> 03:34:35,439
Um but yeah, no, if no self- storage

5582
03:34:35,439 --> 03:34:39,200
unit uh renters would be using that.

5583
03:34:39,200 --> 03:34:41,359
>> Okay. Yeah, that's just a concern I had

5584
03:34:41,359 --> 03:34:43,040
just, you know, how late are these

5585
03:34:43,040 --> 03:34:44,880
gatherings going to go at the clubhouse.

5586
03:34:44,880 --> 03:34:47,200
But, um all my other questions have

5587
03:34:47,200 --> 03:34:49,279
already been asked and answered, so I do

5588
03:34:49,279 --> 03:34:51,359
not have any other questions. But Carla,

5589
03:34:51,359 --> 03:34:53,040
when or Mayor Merrill, when he's

5590
03:34:53,040 --> 03:34:54,880
finished, can I make a motion?

5591
03:34:54,880 --> 03:34:57,920
>> Yeah. Um, so if there's no motion for

5592
03:34:57,920 --> 03:35:00,080
this, it's just a discussion item

5593
03:35:00,080 --> 03:35:04,070
>> for today.

5594
03:35:04,080 --> 03:35:06,160
» Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. So, I I just wanted

5595
03:35:06,160 --> 03:35:09,680
to conclude. Um, I'm sure

5596
03:35:09,680 --> 03:35:11,359
>> I did have clarification about the

5597
03:35:11,359 --> 03:35:12,880
actual ordinance because we're going to

5598
03:35:12,880 --> 03:35:13,840
see it again with

5599
03:35:13,840 --> 03:35:15,359
>> edit.

5600
03:35:15,359 --> 03:35:17,680
So, yeah, hold on just a sec. So, along

5601
03:35:17,680 --> 03:35:19,600
with everybody else, I've been receiving

5602
03:35:19,600 --> 03:35:23,920
emails all day and this one um did stand

5603
03:35:23,920 --> 03:35:26,800
out. It said um this is a resident Ryan

5604
03:35:26,800 --> 03:35:29,200
Thcker. I love this concept and it

5605
03:35:29,200 --> 03:35:31,520
solves a need for me. I'm already take

5606
03:35:31,520 --> 03:35:33,279
talking to them about buying the largest

5607
03:35:33,279 --> 03:35:35,920
unit for my car collection. Finding a

5608
03:35:35,920 --> 03:35:38,000
safe area to store my collection that is

5609
03:35:38,000 --> 03:35:40,960
close to my home is extremely difficult.

5610
03:35:40,960 --> 03:35:43,040
Having a resource like this in Alpine

5611
03:35:43,040 --> 03:35:45,439
would be a tremendous asset to the city.

5612
03:35:45,439 --> 03:35:47,439
I also think the type of development

5613
03:35:47,439 --> 03:35:49,920
partner matters. I've worked with stack

5614
03:35:49,920 --> 03:35:52,160
on offices for my business for my

5615
03:35:52,160 --> 03:35:53,760
business at Thanksgiving Point in South

5616
03:35:53,760 --> 03:35:56,000
Jordan. In addition, I have worked with

5617
03:35:56,000 --> 03:35:58,399
them on projects in multiple states.

5618
03:35:58,399 --> 03:36:00,640
Integrity and who you partner with

5619
03:36:00,640 --> 03:36:03,279
matters to me. Stack is a developer that

5620
03:36:03,279 --> 03:36:05,200
keeps their commitments and every

5621
03:36:05,200 --> 03:36:07,760
project they do of the highest quality

5622
03:36:07,760 --> 03:36:10,720
and adds value to the city. And I do

5623
03:36:10,720 --> 03:36:12,560
have to say of all the people that I've

5624
03:36:12,560 --> 03:36:14,479
worked with in the last four years, um,

5625
03:36:14,479 --> 03:36:16,160
you know, wanting to do projects in the

5626
03:36:16,160 --> 03:36:19,200
city, I do appreciate your outreach

5627
03:36:19,200 --> 03:36:21,680
effort because I feel like people that

5628
03:36:21,680 --> 03:36:23,600
even if their recommendation is that

5629
03:36:23,600 --> 03:36:25,920
they don't want it, they've appreciated

5630
03:36:25,920 --> 03:36:28,720
your interaction and have acknowledged

5631
03:36:28,720 --> 03:36:32,319
that. Um, I'm not, you know, so I do

5632
03:36:32,319 --> 03:36:34,319
appreciate the efforts there. I'm not

5633
03:36:34,319 --> 03:36:35,920
sure where this is going to end and I

5634
03:36:35,920 --> 03:36:37,120
think I've been pretty honest with you

5635
03:36:37,120 --> 03:36:40,720
that I saw it going either way. Um, so

5636
03:36:40,720 --> 03:36:42,399
with that, let's You've got a last

5637
03:36:42,399 --> 03:36:44,000
comment regarding the code.

5638
03:36:44,000 --> 03:36:45,760
>> It's a question about the code. I feel

5639
03:36:45,760 --> 03:36:48,880
like um Steve was leaning towards making

5640
03:36:48,880 --> 03:36:52,960
a more putting more teeth um into I went

5641
03:36:52,960 --> 03:36:54,880
over the code after you guys were all

5642
03:36:54,880 --> 03:36:56,720
talking. I was paying attention to you

5643
03:36:56,720 --> 03:36:59,200
too, but there's two times you have to

5644
03:36:59,200 --> 03:37:01,760
res uh any applicant and in this case it

5645
03:37:01,760 --> 03:37:03,439
looks like it's going to be you would

5646
03:37:03,439 --> 03:37:05,439
need to resubmit something to the city.

5647
03:37:05,439 --> 03:37:08,399
And one of them is if the site is um

5648
03:37:08,399 --> 03:37:12,000
line item E um if the site is adjacent

5649
03:37:12,000 --> 03:37:14,080
to residential uses, the applicant shall

5650
03:37:14,080 --> 03:37:16,720
submit a screening and buffering plan

5651
03:37:16,720 --> 03:37:19,520
for approval as part of the development

5652
03:37:19,520 --> 03:37:21,439
review process. It does not designate

5653
03:37:21,439 --> 03:37:25,120
who is the approval. Is that staff,

5654
03:37:25,120 --> 03:37:27,920
Steve?

5655
03:37:27,920 --> 03:37:30,800
>> Well, here's again here's one of the

5656
03:37:30,800 --> 03:37:33,040
issues with the code. The way it's

5657
03:37:33,040 --> 03:37:35,840
proposed is that the conditional use

5658
03:37:35,840 --> 03:37:38,479
permit would would come before the city

5659
03:37:38,479 --> 03:37:40,239
council rather than the planning

5660
03:37:40,239 --> 03:37:44,080
commission or staff. So asking the city

5661
03:37:44,080 --> 03:37:47,120
council to engage in an administrative

5662
03:37:47,120 --> 03:37:49,520
decision-making process,

5663
03:37:49,520 --> 03:37:52,000
it would be submitted obviously to

5664
03:37:52,000 --> 03:37:53,520
staff,

5665
03:37:53,520 --> 03:37:56,479
but that would have that would be part

5666
03:37:56,479 --> 03:37:59,279
of the overall package.

5667
03:37:59,279 --> 03:38:03,840
I yeah, I will just say um as part of

5668
03:38:03,840 --> 03:38:07,040
the development review process and so

5669
03:38:07,040 --> 03:38:09,439
ultimately that comes down to the land

5670
03:38:09,439 --> 03:38:11,600
use authority in this circumstance which

5671
03:38:11,600 --> 03:38:14,080
would be the city council as the

5672
03:38:14,080 --> 03:38:15,840
ordinance is proposed.

5673
03:38:15,840 --> 03:38:17,680
>> Okay. And e sorry I should have just

5674
03:38:17,680 --> 03:38:21,680
highlighted also the other submit is L

5675
03:38:21,680 --> 03:38:23,840
and but this designates specifically I

5676
03:38:23,840 --> 03:38:25,600
wondered why they were different. The

5677
03:38:25,600 --> 03:38:27,040
applicant shall submit a development

5678
03:38:27,040 --> 03:38:29,040
agreement of and covenants. It's the

5679
03:38:29,040 --> 03:38:31,439
CCNRs we were talking about for review

5680
03:38:31,439 --> 03:38:34,399
and approval by the city council. So,

5681
03:38:34,399 --> 03:38:36,239
one designates the city council and one

5682
03:38:36,239 --> 03:38:38,640
did not. Can we just clean that up to

5683
03:38:38,640 --> 03:38:40,399
make it consistent and be accurate to

5684
03:38:40,399 --> 03:38:41,920
what is really going to happen?

5685
03:38:41,920 --> 03:38:42,720
>> Sure. But

5686
03:38:42,720 --> 03:38:45,359
>> thank you. But all I'm saying is I think

5687
03:38:45,359 --> 03:38:47,680
there's another and you'd have to scroll

5688
03:38:47,680 --> 03:38:50,160
to it, Heidi, but I think at the very

5689
03:38:50,160 --> 03:38:53,040
end I think it says approval process,

5690
03:38:53,040 --> 03:38:55,760
land use type, land use authority, city

5691
03:38:55,760 --> 03:38:57,439
council.

5692
03:38:57,439 --> 03:38:57,840
>> So

5693
03:38:57,840 --> 03:38:59,120
>> Oh, down at the very bottom,

5694
03:38:59,120 --> 03:39:00,640
>> the very bottom

5695
03:39:00,640 --> 03:39:01,439
>> it's on the screen.

5696
03:39:01,439 --> 03:39:03,200
>> So that's what I was saying. If you look

5697
03:39:03,200 --> 03:39:05,120
>> part isn't talking about what we're

5698
03:39:05,120 --> 03:39:06,399
doing now. That's talking about how it

5699
03:39:06,399 --> 03:39:06,880
would be.

5700
03:39:06,880 --> 03:39:08,319
>> So there'll be a process to bring it

5701
03:39:08,319 --> 03:39:08,960
back

5702
03:39:08,960 --> 03:39:11,359
>> next. Correct. And then the third thing

5703
03:39:11,359 --> 03:39:13,120
just highlighted as you were making me

5704
03:39:13,120 --> 03:39:15,040
scroll is isn't don't we have that

5705
03:39:15,040 --> 03:39:17,520
anything going into the historic gateway

5706
03:39:17,520 --> 03:39:18,960
goes back to planning commission?

5707
03:39:18,960 --> 03:39:20,479
Jessica,

5708
03:39:20,479 --> 03:39:22,000
>> remind me of that approval process.

5709
03:39:22,000 --> 03:39:25,760
>> Again, this is why I think waiting until

5710
03:39:25,760 --> 03:39:28,319
we have this final plan. We were going

5711
03:39:28,319 --> 03:39:30,239
to look at that authority being

5712
03:39:30,239 --> 03:39:31,359
different.

5713
03:39:31,359 --> 03:39:33,520
>> Okay. But for now, just to understand

5714
03:39:33,520 --> 03:39:35,840
what this is, if we don't we if we have

5715
03:39:35,840 --> 03:39:37,600
things in and I'm sorry if Ryan's still

5716
03:39:37,600 --> 03:39:39,359
on. If we have things in the historic

5717
03:39:39,359 --> 03:39:41,040
gateway, doesn't it have a like a

5718
03:39:41,040 --> 03:39:44,560
two-step process or am I misreplanning

5719
03:39:44,560 --> 03:39:46,720
commission first and they're they make

5720
03:39:46,720 --> 03:39:48,399
the recommendation and then city council

5721
03:39:48,399 --> 03:39:50,720
has final on gateway historic.

5722
03:39:50,720 --> 03:39:52,000
>> Chrissy, the whole thing you're bringing

5723
03:39:52,000 --> 03:39:54,479
up what doesn't make sense to me is

5724
03:39:54,479 --> 03:39:56,160
everything you've brought up would be

5725
03:39:56,160 --> 03:39:59,040
for future storage unit proposals.

5726
03:39:59,040 --> 03:40:00,080
>> Any storage unit.

5727
03:40:00,080 --> 03:40:03,040
>> No, I know. But this is why none of this

5728
03:40:03,040 --> 03:40:05,520
makes sense. The whole basis of this is

5729
03:40:05,520 --> 03:40:06,880
that there's not going to be any other

5730
03:40:06,880 --> 03:40:09,200
ones. they can't fit on a five acre lot

5731
03:40:09,200 --> 03:40:11,439
or a under three or one mile away and

5732
03:40:11,439 --> 03:40:13,279
we're putting in all these criteria that

5733
03:40:13,279 --> 03:40:14,720
supposedly we're never going to have to

5734
03:40:14,720 --> 03:40:15,920
use because there's only going to be one

5735
03:40:15,920 --> 03:40:17,600
of these.

5736
03:40:17,600 --> 03:40:18,960
It just makes no sense to me. We're

5737
03:40:18,960 --> 03:40:21,680
like, okay, like we're writing something

5738
03:40:21,680 --> 03:40:22,960
for something we're saying is never

5739
03:40:22,960 --> 03:40:24,080
going to happen, but we're making all

5740
03:40:24,080 --> 03:40:25,680
these rules with this one.

5741
03:40:25,680 --> 03:40:27,359
>> Well, we did it for Burgess Orchards.

5742
03:40:27,359 --> 03:40:29,840
Well, I just wanted to that was my

5743
03:40:29,840 --> 03:40:32,160
thought too is, you know, just being

5744
03:40:32,160 --> 03:40:33,600
concerned about

5745
03:40:33,600 --> 03:40:36,640
>> when other businesses have come in and

5746
03:40:36,640 --> 03:40:41,520
looked at changing conditional use and even to the extent of selling a loaf

5747
03:40:41,520 --> 03:40:43,359
of bread, like council was very

5748
03:40:43,359 --> 03:40:45,040
concerned about the impact that would

5749
03:40:45,040 --> 03:40:48,399
have on our community. And so I I'm

5750
03:40:48,399 --> 03:40:51,200
looking at this as the impact on our

5751
03:40:51,200 --> 03:40:53,600
community. um you know, we just need to

5752
03:40:53,600 --> 03:40:56,560
take it very seriously if we think just

5753
03:40:56,560 --> 03:40:59,040
expanding selling bread is going to harm

5754
03:40:59,040 --> 03:41:01,120
us. This probably could be pretty

5755
03:41:01,120 --> 03:41:04,479
detrimental to our long-term future.

5756
03:41:04,479 --> 03:41:06,560
>> I would just say back to my comments

5757
03:41:06,560 --> 03:41:08,479
about understanding the process that we

5758
03:41:08,479 --> 03:41:10,239
are trying we're trying to create new

5759
03:41:10,239 --> 03:41:12,720
ordinances. I just want to be very clear

5760
03:41:12,720 --> 03:41:14,479
about what are the steps and who gets to

5761
03:41:14,479 --> 03:41:17,040
review what and maybe I don't understand

5762
03:41:17,040 --> 03:41:19,520
all the um

5763
03:41:19,520 --> 03:41:21,520
all the things that are going on behind

5764
03:41:21,520 --> 03:41:23,040
the scenes because other ordinances

5765
03:41:23,040 --> 03:41:25,279
apply but it would be great to have Ryan

5766
03:41:25,279 --> 03:41:28,560
walk us through that at least um so that

5767
03:41:28,560 --> 03:41:30,319
we know like is it going back to

5768
03:41:30,319 --> 03:41:31,760
planning commission is it coming back to

5769
03:41:31,760 --> 03:41:35,279
us what are those steps if this to your

5770
03:41:35,279 --> 03:41:37,040
point I understand like we're talking

5771
03:41:37,040 --> 03:41:39,040
about one but nevertheless the

5772
03:41:39,040 --> 03:41:40,319
ordinances have to stand

5773
03:41:40,319 --> 03:41:41,760
>> are going to come back ordinances will

5774
03:41:41,760 --> 03:41:43,600
stand for 50 years as well as the

5775
03:41:43,600 --> 03:41:45,680
building. So, they have to be clear.

5776
03:41:45,680 --> 03:41:46,880
>> That's all I'm saying. You understand?

5777
03:41:46,880 --> 03:41:47,520
>> Yeah. Okay,

5778
03:41:47,520 --> 03:41:48,239
>> great points.

5779
03:41:48,239 --> 03:41:49,840
>> Um, the only other thing I wanted to say

5780
03:41:49,840 --> 03:41:51,520
about I didn't mention the transition,

5781
03:41:51,520 --> 03:41:53,920
but I had the thought again, we have a

5782
03:41:53,920 --> 03:41:55,520
lot of residents that have a lot of junk

5783
03:41:55,520 --> 03:41:57,040
in their backyard and this is all

5784
03:41:57,040 --> 03:41:58,720
enclosed. So, I thought this was a step

5785
03:41:58,720 --> 03:42:01,920
forward, but as a residence, I store

5786
03:42:01,920 --> 03:42:04,239
things and I have a garage. So to me,

5787
03:42:04,239 --> 03:42:06,160
it's a good transition because I'm

5788
03:42:06,160 --> 03:42:08,640
already now we're storing things for a

5789
03:42:08,640 --> 03:42:12,080
fee and we're using a garage for a fee

5790
03:42:12,080 --> 03:42:14,000
versus a commercial use. That's

5791
03:42:14,000 --> 03:42:15,520
completely something that doesn't really

5792
03:42:15,520 --> 03:42:17,840
happen in a residential area as is

5793
03:42:17,840 --> 03:42:19,359
pointed out to me over and over again

5794
03:42:19,359 --> 03:42:20,880
because of purchase orders. But

5795
03:42:20,880 --> 03:42:22,160
nevertheless, I think it's a good

5796
03:42:22,160 --> 03:42:24,000
transition. All right, that's my final

5797
03:42:24,000 --> 03:42:24,399
comment.

5798
03:42:24,399 --> 03:42:25,840
>> I have one last thing because it's

5799
03:42:25,840 --> 03:42:27,120
related to what we've talked about and

5800
03:42:27,120 --> 03:42:28,800
both Sarah and Andrew have brought this

5801
03:42:28,800 --> 03:42:31,040
up and I just would like Steve your

5802
03:42:31,040 --> 03:42:32,319
input.

5803
03:42:32,319 --> 03:42:34,239
Um, it's it's fairly rare that an

5804
03:42:34,239 --> 03:42:36,160
ordinance is perfect and sometimes they

5805
03:42:36,160 --> 03:42:38,479
need amendment and sometimes we have

5806
03:42:38,479 --> 03:42:40,080
unanticipated

5807
03:42:40,080 --> 03:42:42,479
desirable uses like the orchard or the

5808
03:42:42,479 --> 03:42:44,080
proposal for a farm stand that was

5809
03:42:44,080 --> 03:42:46,399
denied but it was at least a proposal to

5810
03:42:46,399 --> 03:42:48,399
expand their use there and have a farm

5811
03:42:48,399 --> 03:42:52,640
stand. Um would you just explain

5812
03:42:52,640 --> 03:42:56,319
briefly that is a standard practice to

5813
03:42:56,319 --> 03:43:01,520
have ordinance amendments as new um new

5814
03:43:01,520 --> 03:43:09,110
things come up in a city? This isn't out of the ordinary is it

5815
03:43:09,120 --> 03:43:12,000
to amend your code as new as new

5816
03:43:12,000 --> 03:43:14,880
>> processes come up or changes need to be

5817
03:43:14,880 --> 03:43:17,920
made. Well, it's not it's not out of the

5818
03:43:17,920 --> 03:43:20,160
ordinary for someone to request a text

5819
03:43:20,160 --> 03:43:21,920
amendment to allow them to do what

5820
03:43:21,920 --> 03:43:24,319
they're proposing to do if the ordinance

5821
03:43:24,319 --> 03:43:27,199
doesn't currently allow it. That happens

5822
03:43:27,199 --> 03:43:29,120
all the time. If somebody requests a

5823
03:43:29,120 --> 03:43:31,520
reszone because they want to be in the

5824
03:43:31,520 --> 03:43:33,600
business commercial or they want to be

5825
03:43:33,600 --> 03:43:36,080
in a residential zone, those things also

5826
03:43:36,080 --> 03:43:38,399
happen, but they require council

5827
03:43:38,399 --> 03:43:41,600
approval as a legislative decision. So,

5828
03:43:41,600 --> 03:43:43,359
yeah, I I don't know that it's out of

5829
03:43:43,359 --> 03:43:45,520
the ordinary. I I thought where you were

5830
03:43:45,520 --> 03:43:48,560
going with this, council member, was is

5831
03:43:48,560 --> 03:43:50,319
uh

5832
03:43:50,319 --> 03:43:53,359
if if we adopt an ordinance that's not

5833
03:43:53,359 --> 03:43:56,000
perfect, can we later amend it if we

5834
03:43:56,000 --> 03:43:57,040
need to?

5835
03:43:57,040 --> 03:43:59,600
>> Well, both. Yeah, both. But I guess

5836
03:43:59,600 --> 03:44:02,160
>> their concerns were

5837
03:44:02,160 --> 03:44:03,439
is this the right thing? Is this

5838
03:44:03,439 --> 03:44:04,880
something that we should be doing? But

5839
03:44:04,880 --> 03:44:06,479
it's not out of the ordinary for this to

5840
03:44:06,479 --> 03:44:09,520
happen. It's no pretty complex.

5841
03:44:09,520 --> 03:44:11,120
>> That's what I was getting at. Sorry.

5842
03:44:11,120 --> 03:44:12,399
>> Can I ask uh Thank you.

5843
03:44:12,399 --> 03:44:15,840
>> Uh Mr. Doxy. Just a couple last legal

5844
03:44:15,840 --> 03:44:18,800
questions given what the discussion was.

5845
03:44:18,800 --> 03:44:20,319
Brent, you're and this involves with

5846
03:44:20,319 --> 03:44:21,680
Brent what Brent was talking about.

5847
03:44:21,680 --> 03:44:24,319
Brent is into um physical barriers for

5848
03:44:24,319 --> 03:44:26,319
things. They just kind of override laws

5849
03:44:26,319 --> 03:44:28,560
because they're physical whether the law

5850
03:44:28,560 --> 03:44:30,399
is there or not. They stop or allow

5851
03:44:30,399 --> 03:44:34,000
things. Um if these are constructed and

5852
03:44:34,000 --> 03:44:37,359
built with a bathroom and a kitchen, can

5853
03:44:37,359 --> 03:44:41,199
a future city council write code to make

5854
03:44:41,199 --> 03:44:43,199
them livable spaces? Because if I'm

5855
03:44:43,199 --> 03:44:45,840
looking at this design and no one told

5856
03:44:45,840 --> 03:44:47,760
me it was storage units, it looks just

5857
03:44:47,760 --> 03:44:50,399
like a apartment building. Could a

5858
03:44:50,399 --> 03:44:53,120
future say they found a need, we have a

5859
03:44:53,120 --> 03:44:56,000
need now, we want to make this very

5860
03:44:56,000 --> 03:44:59,279
well, it would be high density. Can we make this high density approved?

5861
03:44:59,279 --> 03:45:00,560
Would they be able to do that in the

5862
03:45:00,560 --> 03:45:02,399
future as city council?

5863
03:45:02,399 --> 03:45:03,760
>> Of course.

5864
03:45:03,760 --> 03:45:04,160
>> Yes.

5865
03:45:04,160 --> 03:45:05,199
>> Well, I don't know.

5866
03:45:05,199 --> 03:45:07,760
>> But but that could happen with anything.

5867
03:45:07,760 --> 03:45:09,760
the the council could decide do you want

5868
03:45:09,760 --> 03:45:12,960
to have multifamily housing where there

5869
03:45:12,960 --> 03:45:14,640
currently is single family housing.

5870
03:45:14,640 --> 03:45:16,319
>> Well, can you not see that the jump is a

5871
03:45:16,319 --> 03:45:17,439
lot smaller given that there's a

5872
03:45:17,439 --> 03:45:20,000
bathroom, a small space and a kitchen in

5873
03:45:20,000 --> 03:45:22,560
a area that would never be built that

5874
03:45:22,560 --> 03:45:23,840
small. I guess the way I look at it is

5875
03:45:23,840 --> 03:45:27,199
the intended use, which would be a

5876
03:45:27,199 --> 03:45:28,800
storage area with like what this

5877
03:45:28,800 --> 03:45:30,160
gentleman said to store his car

5878
03:45:30,160 --> 03:45:32,399
collection. And that if you're going to

5879
03:45:32,399 --> 03:45:35,040
go and work on your car, they're going

5880
03:45:35,040 --> 03:45:36,319
to have to go to the bathroom unless you

5881
03:45:36,319 --> 03:45:37,520
want people peeing on the street.

5882
03:45:37,520 --> 03:45:39,439
>> No, I I understand, mayor. It's it's

5883
03:45:39,439 --> 03:45:41,680
more like that. It's more like a not a

5884
03:45:41,680 --> 03:45:43,920
very far leap to convert these into

5885
03:45:43,920 --> 03:45:45,279
living spaces. That's all I'm trying to

5886
03:45:45,279 --> 03:45:47,199
say. And want to know at what ease is

5887
03:45:47,199 --> 03:45:48,239
that process to do?

5888
03:45:48,239 --> 03:45:50,960
>> I think John McCay uses this term in

5889
03:45:50,960 --> 03:45:53,600
planning commission. density right now.

5890
03:45:53,600 --> 03:45:55,199
>> So what would it I guess the question is

5891
03:45:55,199 --> 03:45:56,800
what would it take so we know what would

5892
03:45:56,800 --> 03:45:58,239
it take to convert these to livable

5893
03:45:58,239 --> 03:45:58,960
spaces?

5894
03:45:58,960 --> 03:46:01,279
>> You would have to reszone for higher

5895
03:46:01,279 --> 03:46:03,199
density housing. Right now the highest

5896
03:46:03,199 --> 03:46:04,960
density you can have is quarter acre

5897
03:46:04,960 --> 03:46:06,800
lots and with an overlay you can have

5898
03:46:06,800 --> 03:46:09,680
eight per acre. This would be over what

5899
03:46:09,680 --> 03:46:11,600
is currently allowed. So they would need

5900
03:46:11,600 --> 03:46:12,560
a zone change.

5901
03:46:12,560 --> 03:46:15,279
>> So it just be a a three vote a three.

5902
03:46:15,279 --> 03:46:17,279
Well, another another way to look at

5903
03:46:17,279 --> 03:46:20,160
that is I think the ordinance says

5904
03:46:20,160 --> 03:46:23,199
proposed and I I confess that I haven't

5905
03:46:23,199 --> 03:46:25,600
scrutinized it. I've looked through it,

5906
03:46:25,600 --> 03:46:28,000
>> but the ordinance as proposed I believe

5907
03:46:28,000 --> 03:46:31,040
says that this development and any other

5908
03:46:31,040 --> 03:46:33,760
similar development uh that meets the

5909
03:46:33,760 --> 03:46:37,199
criteria for for this purpose would be

5910
03:46:37,199 --> 03:46:39,520
subject to a development agreement and

5911
03:46:39,520 --> 03:46:43,199
CCNRs. Okay. So if the city wanted to

5912
03:46:43,199 --> 03:46:48,880
put in the development agreement that no residential use, it's already

5913
03:46:48,880 --> 03:46:51,040
proposed in the ordinance, but if they

5914
03:46:51,040 --> 03:46:53,040
put that in the agreement, it would be

5915
03:46:53,040 --> 03:46:54,560
much more difficult to

5916
03:46:54,560 --> 03:46:55,920
>> Okay.

5917
03:46:55,920 --> 03:46:57,840
>> So instead of just changing the

5918
03:46:57,840 --> 03:46:59,920
ordinance in the future, they'd have to

5919
03:46:59,920 --> 03:47:02,720
also amend the development agreement

5920
03:47:02,720 --> 03:47:05,040
with the with the consent of the other

5921
03:47:05,040 --> 03:47:07,760
party.

5922
03:47:07,760 --> 03:47:10,160
>> Okay, let's wrap this up. Let's finish

5923
03:47:10,160 --> 03:47:11,840
the discussions. Night is getting long.

5924
03:47:11,840 --> 03:47:15,120
We still have two large items. Nash,

5925
03:47:15,120 --> 03:47:16,640
thank you so much for your time. Again,

5926
03:47:16,640 --> 03:47:18,560
I really appreciate your efforts. If you

5927
03:47:18,560 --> 03:47:20,160
guys have any questions between now and

5928
03:47:20,160 --> 03:47:22,720
a couple weeks, um you guys know how to

5929
03:47:22,720 --> 03:47:25,520
get a hold of them. And then if you

5930
03:47:25,520 --> 03:47:27,520
>> I'm around. I'm not hard to find. So, if

5931
03:47:27,520 --> 03:47:29,920
you have any questions, we'd be happy to

5932
03:47:29,920 --> 03:47:32,720
chat. I just, you know, just reiterating

5933
03:47:32,720 --> 03:47:36,960
I think um this site is is a good use.

5934
03:47:36,960 --> 03:47:39,040
We are excited to be, you know, taking

5935
03:47:39,040 --> 03:47:40,720
it. We do a lot of development and a lot

5936
03:47:40,720 --> 03:47:42,800
of different things. Um, so we've we've

5937
03:47:42,800 --> 03:47:44,080
stared at this in a million different

5938
03:47:44,080 --> 03:47:45,680
ways and we feel like this is the best

5939
03:47:45,680 --> 03:47:48,319
use. We live close. We're excited to

5940
03:47:48,319 --> 03:47:50,000
build something I think is good. So,

5941
03:47:50,000 --> 03:47:51,600
thank you so much for your time.

5942
03:47:51,600 --> 03:47:52,560
>> Appreciate it.

5943
03:47:52,560 --> 03:47:53,279
>> Okay. Okay.

5944
03:47:53,279 --> 03:47:54,800
>> Um, we're going to move on to action

5945
03:47:54,800 --> 03:47:56,640
items, but I will

5946
03:47:56,640 --> 03:47:58,880
>> Can I make a motion to move action item

5947
03:47:58,880 --> 03:48:01,600
B ahead of action item A, so the very

5948
03:48:01,600 --> 03:48:03,600
patient gentlemen here to discuss the

5949
03:48:03,600 --> 03:48:05,199
fire station don't have to wait any

5950
03:48:05,199 --> 03:48:08,640
longer? the four gentlemen.

5951
03:48:08,640 --> 03:48:09,840
>> I'll second that.

5952
03:48:09,840 --> 03:48:12,000
>> Okay. So, moved by um Councilwoman

5953
03:48:12,000 --> 03:48:13,920
Blackwell, seconded by Councilman

5954
03:48:13,920 --> 03:48:17,439
Rummler to move item B in front of A

5955
03:48:17,439 --> 03:48:21,760
under um section six. Um can I get a

5956
03:48:21,760 --> 03:48:24,720
roll call vote?

5957
03:48:24,720 --> 03:48:26,239
>> Chrissy Hanaman, yes.

5958
03:48:26,239 --> 03:48:28,239
>> Andrew Young, yes. Brent Rley, yes.

5959
03:48:28,239 --> 03:48:30,800
>> Jessica Sme, yes. Sarah Blackwell, yes.

5960
03:48:30,800 --> 03:48:34,000
Okay, we will be working on the fire

5961
03:48:34,000 --> 03:48:37,199
station edition project budget.

5962
03:48:37,199 --> 03:48:39,680
Gentlemen from

5963
03:48:39,680 --> 03:48:41,920
Babcock Design

5964
03:48:41,920 --> 03:48:45,120
Navigate and search please

5965
03:48:45,120 --> 03:48:47,920
if you guys can come up to the podium.

5966
03:48:47,920 --> 03:48:49,439
Um

5967
03:48:49,439 --> 03:48:51,120
so this is the team that we've been

5968
03:48:51,120 --> 03:48:55,920
working with. Um Chad Littlewood um from

5969
03:48:55,920 --> 03:48:58,720
Babcock Design has been our designer and

5970
03:48:58,720 --> 03:49:02,229
architect.

5971
03:49:02,239 --> 03:49:05,040
And then now I'm forgetting everybody's

5972
03:49:05,040 --> 03:49:06,720
name.

5973
03:49:06,720 --> 03:49:08,000
Travis

5974
03:49:08,000 --> 03:49:10,800
>> got Preston Reading from Nate.

5975
03:49:10,800 --> 03:49:11,840
>> Navigate

5976
03:49:11,840 --> 03:49:15,120
>> got Rich uh

5977
03:49:15,120 --> 03:49:16,720
>> HCO

5978
03:49:16,720 --> 03:49:18,479
and

5979
03:49:18,479 --> 03:49:19,199
>> Blake

5980
03:49:19,199 --> 03:49:22,080
>> from Webby. That's what we hear in our

5981
03:49:22,080 --> 03:49:23,920
meetings.

5982
03:49:23,920 --> 03:49:27,359
And uh yeah, we have Chad here. So, um

5983
03:49:27,359 --> 03:49:29,199
we're kind of down to the final making

5984
03:49:29,199 --> 03:49:31,920
some final decisions um so we can move

5985
03:49:31,920 --> 03:49:33,680
forward and finalized construction

5986
03:49:33,680 --> 03:49:37,040
drawings for the fire station. And um

5987
03:49:37,040 --> 03:49:38,720
you know, because of cost, it was

5988
03:49:38,720 --> 03:49:40,960
important that we bring this back to the

5989
03:49:40,960 --> 03:49:43,520
council to make some final decisions

5990
03:49:43,520 --> 03:49:46,880
based on um cost estimating that has

5991
03:49:46,880 --> 03:49:51,279
been done. um as this project has uh

5992
03:49:51,279 --> 03:49:54,560
moved forward and I would I would call

5993
03:49:54,560 --> 03:49:56,880
this front row right here like a team of

5994
03:49:56,880 --> 03:49:59,199
all stars. They've been awesome and

5995
03:49:59,199 --> 03:50:01,120
they've done put a lot of work into

5996
03:50:01,120 --> 03:50:04,160
costing this out and I think the best

5997
03:50:04,160 --> 03:50:06,479
thing with the time is to turn the time

5998
03:50:06,479 --> 03:50:08,000
over to them and they'll go through some

5999
03:50:08,000 --> 03:50:10,560
things and explain what we're looking

6000
03:50:10,560 --> 03:50:24,070
for tonight.

6001
03:50:24,080 --> 03:50:26,479
It's a public meeting, so you shouldn't

6002
03:50:26,479 --> 03:50:28,399
have back.

6003
03:50:28,399 --> 03:50:33,990
Just like

6004
03:50:34,000 --> 03:50:37,760
my name's Rich Hanskoff uh with CIRC um

6005
03:50:37,760 --> 03:50:39,199
pre-construction

6006
03:50:39,199 --> 03:50:44,080
>> estimating um web

6007
03:50:44,080 --> 03:50:46,800
Blake uh assist me in that effort. Uh

6008
03:50:46,800 --> 03:50:51,199
we've been working with uh Babcock and

6009
03:50:51,199 --> 03:50:53,920
Nate and also

6010
03:50:53,920 --> 03:50:57,040
Shane and the city uh in budgeting for

6011
03:50:57,040 --> 03:51:00,479
the uh remodel in addition to the fire

6012
03:51:00,479 --> 03:51:04,720
station. Uh we've taken a lot of effort.

6013
03:51:04,720 --> 03:51:07,600
We love public safety, public safety

6014
03:51:07,600 --> 03:51:10,000
projects. They're important uh to the

6015
03:51:10,000 --> 03:51:12,399
communities that they're in. Um

6016
03:51:12,399 --> 03:51:15,199
unfortunately there's always finite

6017
03:51:15,199 --> 03:51:19,840
budgets that need to be met and um quite

6018
03:51:19,840 --> 03:51:23,600
often the need far exceeds

6019
03:51:23,600 --> 03:51:27,199
uh what the budgets are. Um the the

6020
03:51:27,199 --> 03:51:29,920
process here is taking the the uh

6021
03:51:29,920 --> 03:51:32,880
facility that we've already got

6022
03:51:32,880 --> 03:51:35,199
and uh or that you already have and

6023
03:51:35,199 --> 03:51:39,600
making it viable to be used for the

6024
03:51:39,600 --> 03:51:41,680
foreseeable future.

6025
03:51:41,680 --> 03:51:46,640
uh Chief U has a real need um in

6026
03:51:46,640 --> 03:51:49,760
augmenting the facility and bringing it

6027
03:51:49,760 --> 03:51:53,840
up to current standards um public safety

6028
03:51:53,840 --> 03:51:57,199
standards that uh allow for the access

6029
03:51:57,199 --> 03:52:00,479
and also for the crews to be not only

6030
03:52:00,479 --> 03:52:03,199
comfortable but be successful in their

6031
03:52:03,199 --> 03:52:04,800
mission.

6032
03:52:04,800 --> 03:52:08,479
So in uh uh analyzing the project uh

6033
03:52:08,479 --> 03:52:11,920
going through uh the project as it now

6034
03:52:11,920 --> 03:52:15,199
is constituted and where we've come to

6035
03:52:15,199 --> 03:52:17,199
we've spent an immense amount of time

6036
03:52:17,199 --> 03:52:20,479
doing what I call value engineering.

6037
03:52:20,479 --> 03:52:24,080
There was a program identified um using

6038
03:52:24,080 --> 03:52:27,520
the app bay that is there converting the

6039
03:52:27,520 --> 03:52:31,359
existing facility uh into a community

6040
03:52:31,359 --> 03:52:34,479
center and then making a provision for

6041
03:52:34,479 --> 03:52:37,760
the fire station or the fire house with

6042
03:52:37,760 --> 03:52:39,600
the new dormitories, their meeting

6043
03:52:39,600 --> 03:52:43,680
rooms, um the day rooms and their

6044
03:52:43,680 --> 03:52:45,279
dormitories.

6045
03:52:45,279 --> 03:52:50,880
Um right now the budget is um a little

6046
03:52:50,880 --> 03:52:54,479
in excess of what had been issued as

6047
03:52:54,479 --> 03:52:56,800
part of the RFP.

6048
03:52:56,800 --> 03:52:59,600
Um we have looked at a number of

6049
03:52:59,600 --> 03:53:02,479
elements to be able to try and reduce

6050
03:53:02,479 --> 03:53:04,640
that amount.

6051
03:53:04,640 --> 03:53:07,439
Um, and what Chad is going to be able to

6052
03:53:07,439 --> 03:53:11,840
share with us is where we've come to in

6053
03:53:11,840 --> 03:53:14,880
that design process and assisting in

6054
03:53:14,880 --> 03:53:16,880
that uh budget.

6055
03:53:16,880 --> 03:53:17,600
>> Sorry,

6056
03:53:17,600 --> 03:53:19,760
>> budgeting effort. Are we able to go?

6057
03:53:19,760 --> 03:53:22,800
>> Well, it's looks like a fun video game.

6058
03:53:22,800 --> 03:53:25,040
>> Looks like a football.

6059
03:53:25,040 --> 03:53:25,680
>> You can keep

6060
03:53:25,680 --> 03:53:27,920
>> There we go.

6061
03:53:27,920 --> 03:53:30,720
>> A playbook.

6062
03:53:30,720 --> 03:53:34,399
And please um ask any questions as I go.

6063
03:53:34,399 --> 03:53:37,359
I I know that what uh you're seeing

6064
03:53:37,359 --> 03:53:40,479
there's a lot of information here. Um

6065
03:53:40,479 --> 03:53:43,840
but we've tried to meet the mission of

6066
03:53:43,840 --> 03:53:45,600
the fire station. I want to describe

6067
03:53:45,600 --> 03:53:47,520
something to you that's really

6068
03:53:47,520 --> 03:53:50,319
difficult. Um when you've got this

6069
03:53:50,319 --> 03:53:55,040
finite budget and we've got a mixeduse

6070
03:53:55,040 --> 03:53:58,880
fire station. Um, we we've got a a

6071
03:53:58,880 --> 03:54:01,680
community center that's claiming a

6072
03:54:01,680 --> 03:54:04,479
significant portion of the budget. And

6073
03:54:04,479 --> 03:54:07,680
I'm not suggesting it's not a needed

6074
03:54:07,680 --> 03:54:09,600
element. It it it's something that the

6075
03:54:09,600 --> 03:54:10,880
community needs. There's a reason that

6076
03:54:10,880 --> 03:54:14,640
we've designed it, but there have to be

6077
03:54:14,640 --> 03:54:18,479
some choices between what's available

6078
03:54:18,479 --> 03:54:21,520
and where it is spent. So whether we

6079
03:54:21,520 --> 03:54:23,920
spend it on the community room or in the

6080
03:54:23,920 --> 03:54:26,560
fire station, it's kind of hard to

6081
03:54:26,560 --> 03:54:28,640
divide that

6082
03:54:28,640 --> 03:54:30,399
other than don't do the community room

6083
03:54:30,399 --> 03:54:33,040
or don't do the fire station in order to

6084
03:54:33,040 --> 03:54:34,560
save some money. So those aren't real

6085
03:54:34,560 --> 03:54:37,520
viable. So you'll notice that right now

6086
03:54:37,520 --> 03:54:40,800
in the budget that you're looking at

6087
03:54:40,800 --> 03:54:43,120
and there's a number of value

6088
03:54:43,120 --> 03:54:46,160
engineering items that we can go through

6089
03:54:46,160 --> 03:54:47,920
and and we can talk about the detail,

6090
03:54:47,920 --> 03:54:49,439
but where I'd like to go is to the

6091
03:54:49,439 --> 03:54:51,600
bottom line. If you'll notice, we have

6092
03:54:51,600 --> 03:54:53,600
the current cost estimate saying that

6093
03:54:53,600 --> 03:54:57,600
we're about $5.2 million.

6094
03:54:57,600 --> 03:55:00,479
We've also, you'll notice in the green

6095
03:55:00,479 --> 03:55:02,800
column accepted,

6096
03:55:02,800 --> 03:55:04,399
we're saying that there are value

6097
03:55:04,399 --> 03:55:06,239
engineering items that we're willing to

6098
03:55:06,239 --> 03:55:09,199
change in the design to allow us to save

6099
03:55:09,199 --> 03:55:11,840
money. And you'll notice that the ones

6100
03:55:11,840 --> 03:55:14,720
that we've selected are eating a adding

6101
03:55:14,720 --> 03:55:19,429
up to about $289,000,

6102
03:55:19,439 --> 03:55:22,640
which is pulling the overall budget to

6103
03:55:22,640 --> 03:55:25,120
4.9.

6104
03:55:25,120 --> 03:55:26,960
Now if you look at that some of those

6105
03:55:26,960 --> 03:55:29,359
items for example

6106
03:55:29,359 --> 03:55:31,199
1B

6107
03:55:31,199 --> 03:55:33,760
the design was planning on providing a

6108
03:55:33,760 --> 03:55:35,840
standing seam metal roof over the entire

6109
03:55:35,840 --> 03:55:37,680
building. This is hybrid. We're saying

6110
03:55:37,680 --> 03:55:39,120
we're going to do portion. We're going

6111
03:55:39,120 --> 03:55:41,199
to get roof but we're going to save

6112
03:55:41,199 --> 03:55:43,199
enough that we can save a little bit

6113
03:55:43,199 --> 03:55:46,560
money towards the total. Secondly, we're

6114
03:55:46,560 --> 03:55:49,920
going to add some um well, that's

6115
03:55:49,920 --> 03:55:51,520
actually in going the wrong direction,

6116
03:55:51,520 --> 03:55:52,720
but we're going to add some additional

6117
03:55:52,720 --> 03:55:55,600
glazing in the day room of the community

6118
03:55:55,600 --> 03:55:59,279
center. We're going to save um epoxy

6119
03:55:59,279 --> 03:56:01,120
flooring. We're not going to do that in

6120
03:56:01,120 --> 03:56:05,760
the at bay in an attempt to save money.

6121
03:56:05,760 --> 03:56:08,720
We're also going to um have the city

6122
03:56:08,720 --> 03:56:11,359
purchase the generator on state contract

6123
03:56:11,359 --> 03:56:14,399
so that can save the markup and not pay

6124
03:56:14,399 --> 03:56:20,399
us for that. Also going to uh red reduce

6125
03:56:20,399 --> 03:56:24,399
uh furring on CMU walls in the gymnasium

6126
03:56:24,399 --> 03:56:26,960
area.

6127
03:56:26,960 --> 03:56:30,319
Reduce uh wood wall panels on the gable

6128
03:56:30,319 --> 03:56:31,439
ends.

6129
03:56:31,439 --> 03:56:33,040
>> Can you explain what furring is?

6130
03:56:33,040 --> 03:56:33,760
>> I'm sorry.

6131
03:56:33,760 --> 03:56:35,920
>> Sorry. I just was curious what furring

6132
03:56:35,920 --> 03:56:36,399
is.

6133
03:56:36,399 --> 03:56:38,720
>> Furring is um you know when you have a

6134
03:56:38,720 --> 03:56:42,319
cement wall or a concrete wall and you

6135
03:56:42,319 --> 03:56:45,279
put wood strips on it and then you put

6136
03:56:45,279 --> 03:56:47,120
the drywall on the face of it so it

6137
03:56:47,120 --> 03:56:48,720
covers the brick up.

6138
03:56:48,720 --> 03:56:50,720
>> So what we're saying is in the gymnasium

6139
03:56:50,720 --> 03:56:52,640
area these guys are great with just

6140
03:56:52,640 --> 03:56:54,399
being exposed brick

6141
03:56:54,399 --> 03:56:57,439
>> and we'll just leave it exposed.

6142
03:56:57,439 --> 03:56:57,920
Mhm.

6143
03:56:57,920 --> 03:57:02,399
>> Um I think we talked about uh the idea

6144
03:57:02,399 --> 03:57:05,680
that we would uh keep the existing let's

6145
03:57:05,680 --> 03:57:09,120
see would wall panels uh keep the

6146
03:57:09,120 --> 03:57:11,279
existing overhead door. Oh no, I'm

6147
03:57:11,279 --> 03:57:14,239
sorry. Go down dorm sinks rather than

6148
03:57:14,239 --> 03:57:15,840
sinks being in the dorm rooms

6149
03:57:15,840 --> 03:57:18,239
themselves. The dorms have their own

6150
03:57:18,239 --> 03:57:20,800
bathrooms. The sinks would remain in the

6151
03:57:20,800 --> 03:57:22,560
bathrooms, not in the dorm rooms

6152
03:57:22,560 --> 03:57:24,800
themselves. Go ahead.

6153
03:57:24,800 --> 03:57:26,640
>> Sorry. Chad Littlewood with Batpack

6154
03:57:26,640 --> 03:57:28,479
Design.

6155
03:57:28,479 --> 03:57:30,560
I'm wondering if it's most helpful. I

6156
03:57:30,560 --> 03:57:32,720
don't mean to interrupt, but I think in

6157
03:57:32,720 --> 03:57:34,640
essence, we've been working towards a

6158
03:57:34,640 --> 03:57:36,000
project and working towards a goal with

6159
03:57:36,000 --> 03:57:37,520
integration of comments from both the

6160
03:57:37,520 --> 03:57:39,040
council, the public, the city, the

6161
03:57:39,040 --> 03:57:42,399
project team, etc. The budget came in

6162
03:57:42,399 --> 03:57:44,160
during SDS, schmatic design, and now

6163
03:57:44,160 --> 03:57:46,479
we're through design development DDS and

6164
03:57:46,479 --> 03:57:48,239
we got an updated budget. The

6165
03:57:48,239 --> 03:57:49,680
information that we got to get said

6166
03:57:49,680 --> 03:57:51,680
budget, excuse me, estimate has grown

6167
03:57:51,680 --> 03:57:52,960
exponentially. So, it's much more

6168
03:57:52,960 --> 03:57:55,199
concrete and much more realistic.

6169
03:57:55,199 --> 03:57:56,960
But because we want to be diligent and

6170
03:57:56,960 --> 03:57:59,040
it's public money, we recognize that we

6171
03:57:59,040 --> 03:58:00,800
came up with a number and there's things

6172
03:58:00,800 --> 03:58:02,479
on the table that we wanted to bring to

6173
03:58:02,479 --> 03:58:04,080
both the fire team and the project team

6174
03:58:04,080 --> 03:58:06,560
to say, do we want to entertain this for

6175
03:58:06,560 --> 03:58:08,800
saving additional costs?

6176
03:58:08,800 --> 03:58:10,000
And so that's where we're at. And so

6177
03:58:10,000 --> 03:58:11,840
even with the additional cost savings

6178
03:58:11,840 --> 03:58:13,600
that we're proposing, there's decisions

6179
03:58:13,600 --> 03:58:14,800
that go along with it because we

6180
03:58:14,800 --> 03:58:16,160
recognize there's a bucket of need to

6181
03:58:16,160 --> 03:58:19,760
have and a bucket of would want to have.

6182
03:58:19,760 --> 03:58:21,040
The need to have needs to stay there.

6183
03:58:21,040 --> 03:58:23,120
The want to have is up for conversation.

6184
03:58:23,120 --> 03:58:25,600
So are these all would want to have?

6185
03:58:25,600 --> 03:58:27,040
>> So these are all things that

6186
03:58:27,040 --> 03:58:28,000
>> one through 19.

6187
03:58:28,000 --> 03:58:30,000
>> If I'm speaking for the for the project

6188
03:58:30,000 --> 03:58:31,600
team, there are a lot of people in this

6189
03:58:31,600 --> 03:58:33,520
room. These are all items that the

6190
03:58:33,520 --> 03:58:36,960
project team is comfortable proposing as

6191
03:58:36,960 --> 03:58:37,600
um

6192
03:58:37,600 --> 03:58:38,239
>> reductions,

6193
03:58:38,239 --> 03:58:39,920
>> gaining additional dollars back or

6194
03:58:39,920 --> 03:58:41,920
reductions. Exactly. With the one

6195
03:58:41,920 --> 03:58:44,399
exception uh for council that we've been

6196
03:58:44,399 --> 03:58:45,520
talking about the additional windows on

6197
03:58:45,520 --> 03:58:46,640
that south side of the community room.

6198
03:58:46,640 --> 03:58:47,680
That that's something that's not

6199
03:58:47,680 --> 03:58:48,800
currently in design. That's an actually

6200
03:58:48,800 --> 03:58:51,680
an ad for the project.

6201
03:58:51,680 --> 03:58:53,199
>> And you'll notice go through those

6202
03:58:53,199 --> 03:58:54,960
>> and and we can and you'll not notice

6203
03:58:54,960 --> 03:58:57,279
even in the list in the rejected list

6204
03:58:57,279 --> 03:58:59,040
you you can see there's a couple items

6205
03:58:59,040 --> 03:59:01,600
we've just said that that's beyond what

6206
03:59:01,600 --> 03:59:04,640
we want to do. In fact, during our work

6207
03:59:04,640 --> 03:59:07,840
sessions, there were some ideas on some

6208
03:59:07,840 --> 03:59:10,239
changes within the dorm rooms, and we

6209
03:59:10,239 --> 03:59:13,760
determined that that was more than we

6210
03:59:13,760 --> 03:59:16,560
would want to produce uh in saving.

6211
03:59:16,560 --> 03:59:18,640
Well, not producing saving that's

6212
03:59:18,640 --> 03:59:21,120
stepping further than we'd like to. The

6213
03:59:21,120 --> 03:59:24,560
missionritical nature of this facility

6214
03:59:24,560 --> 03:59:28,080
says that the firefighters need those to

6215
03:59:28,080 --> 03:59:30,479
meet their mission.

6216
03:59:30,479 --> 03:59:33,840
So, are we trying to trim 200,000

6217
03:59:33,840 --> 03:59:40,150
$211,797

6218
03:59:40,160 --> 03:59:42,399
» from the 5 million 211?

6219
03:59:42,399 --> 03:59:42,880
>> Yes.

6220
03:59:42,880 --> 03:59:45,199
>> Yeah. To get to $5 million. That's

6221
03:59:45,199 --> 03:59:45,439
correct.

6222
03:59:45,439 --> 03:59:48,560
>> Or we can add $80,000. We have 80,000

6223
03:59:48,560 --> 03:59:51,680
basically if we want to hit 5 million or

6224
03:59:51,680 --> 03:59:54,880
we can do a budget adjustment like we

6225
03:59:54,880 --> 03:59:57,199
are doing later. I mean, what are all of

6226
03:59:57,199 --> 03:59:58,399
our options?

6227
03:59:58,399 --> 04:00:00,479
>> Yeah. Um Preston, do you mind just

6228
04:00:00,479 --> 04:00:02,640
covering the other part of the cost just

6229
04:00:02,640 --> 04:00:04,399
so it's all on the table here?

6230
04:00:04,399 --> 04:00:07,040
>> Yeah, absolutely. So So there's there's

6231
04:00:07,040 --> 04:00:09,279
kind of two buckets right here. Um

6232
04:00:09,279 --> 04:00:10,960
there's the construction costs or the

6233
04:00:10,960 --> 04:00:12,720
hard costs like we call them and then

6234
04:00:12,720 --> 04:00:14,080
there's the soft costs which are kind of

6235
04:00:14,080 --> 04:00:16,800
the administrative costs that um the

6236
04:00:16,800 --> 04:00:19,199
owner typically handles. So that's like

6237
04:00:19,199 --> 04:00:21,840
appliances, that's the architect's fees,

6238
04:00:21,840 --> 04:00:25,040
that's our fees. Um, and so that bucket

6239
04:00:25,040 --> 04:00:30,640
of money actually is about $900,000 that we currently have. So that would be

6240
04:00:30,640 --> 04:00:34,399
on top of that 5.2 right now. So in

6241
04:00:34,399 --> 04:00:36,880
excess, we're looking at about 800 is

6242
04:00:36,880 --> 04:00:38,239
what we're looking at.

6243
04:00:38,239 --> 04:00:41,120
>> So sorry, you're you're I was going to

6244
04:00:41,120 --> 04:00:42,399
wait till the end, but just so he

6245
04:00:42,399 --> 04:00:45,120
doesn't get up. So right now total that

6246
04:00:45,120 --> 04:00:48,080
first page is 5.2 and then there's an

6247
04:00:48,080 --> 04:00:50,399
additional 900 on the 5.2. So we're at

6248
04:00:50,399 --> 04:00:53,279
about 6 something. 6.1 right about there

6249
04:00:53,279 --> 04:00:55,120
>> total. Okay, I'll save the other

6250
04:00:55,120 --> 04:00:56,080
questions till after.

6251
04:00:56,080 --> 04:00:58,319
>> Yep. And again, that's that 5.2 is is

6252
04:00:58,319 --> 04:01:03,520
currently our our construction costs and again through the design phase we

6253
04:01:03,520 --> 04:01:06,000
had SD drawings or schematic drawings

6254
04:01:06,000 --> 04:01:09,279
come out um that sent over to CIRC uh

6255
04:01:09,279 --> 04:01:11,439
they gave us a budget and we went

6256
04:01:11,439 --> 04:01:12,880
through and did kind of a deval

6257
04:01:12,880 --> 04:01:15,120
engineering uh session. Actually we did

6258
04:01:15,120 --> 04:01:17,520
multiple sessions there. We got we felt

6259
04:01:17,520 --> 04:01:19,120
pretty comfortable at that stage. We

6260
04:01:19,120 --> 04:01:21,359
continue with design. We got to design

6261
04:01:21,359 --> 04:01:23,520
development and that was a couple weeks

6262
04:01:23,520 --> 04:01:25,680
ago. That was sent over for another

6263
04:01:25,680 --> 04:01:28,160
budget and those numbers came back

6264
04:01:28,160 --> 04:01:29,520
unfortunately a little bit higher than

6265
04:01:29,520 --> 04:01:31,520
what we were hoping.

6266
04:01:31,520 --> 04:01:35,520
>> And please understand that that process

6267
04:01:35,520 --> 04:01:38,319
is not the final bid. What we're talking

6268
04:01:38,319 --> 04:01:41,279
about is managing the design and making

6269
04:01:41,279 --> 04:01:43,439
sure what goes out to the market.

6270
04:01:43,439 --> 04:01:46,239
Ultimately, we will go to the market and

6271
04:01:46,239 --> 04:01:48,960
ask for subcontractor bids in every

6272
04:01:48,960 --> 04:01:50,560
category.

6273
04:01:50,560 --> 04:01:53,279
We'll have those um abstracts. We'll

6274
04:01:53,279 --> 04:01:54,880
have the bid results. We'll share those

6275
04:01:54,880 --> 04:01:57,359
with Shane and staff so that we're able

6276
04:01:57,359 --> 04:01:59,920
to review it, make sure we stay within

6277
04:01:59,920 --> 04:02:01,680
budget. Our experience has been very

6278
04:02:01,680 --> 04:02:05,359
good. Currently, the market is um very

6279
04:02:05,359 --> 04:02:08,319
favorable to owner. Uh contractors are

6280
04:02:08,319 --> 04:02:11,040
very eager to get work. Uh price points

6281
04:02:11,040 --> 04:02:13,680
are dropping.

6282
04:02:13,680 --> 04:02:16,399
So we we feel very good about that

6283
04:02:16,399 --> 04:02:22,080
process that we're going to be able to meet that. But the design was so

6284
04:02:22,080 --> 04:02:24,319
close to what we had in budget, we felt

6285
04:02:24,319 --> 04:02:27,520
that these cost savings measures were

6286
04:02:27,520 --> 04:02:29,760
required.

6287
04:02:29,760 --> 04:02:32,000
>> Yeah. So and again just to to kind of

6288
04:02:32,000 --> 04:02:34,720
what we're looking at here the the the

6289
04:02:34,720 --> 04:02:36,720
estimate or the budget that we have come

6290
04:02:36,720 --> 04:02:38,560
back with and again that was with some

6291
04:02:38,560 --> 04:02:40,800
contractor input or subcontractor's

6292
04:02:40,800 --> 04:02:43,439
input. We're at 5.2. If we accept

6293
04:02:43,439 --> 04:02:44,960
everything in that green column, which

6294
04:02:44,960 --> 04:02:48,399
is 289,000, it gets us to that 4.9

6295
04:02:48,399 --> 04:02:51,040
million, but there's still the the soft

6296
04:02:51,040 --> 04:02:52,880
costs that we that we talk about. And

6297
04:02:52,880 --> 04:02:54,640
again, that's that's the appliances,

6298
04:02:54,640 --> 04:02:57,359
that's the administrative fees, um kind

6299
04:02:57,359 --> 04:02:58,960
of everything that the owner is holding

6300
04:02:58,960 --> 04:03:02,399
on on our side. Yeah. So, so that if we

6301
04:03:02,399 --> 04:03:04,479
again, if we accepted all that, the 4.9

6302
04:03:04,479 --> 04:03:07,680
plus the 900, we're sitting about 5.8,

6303
04:03:07,680 --> 04:03:11,199
which is where Yeah. again. And and some

6304
04:03:11,199 --> 04:03:12,880
of these items are are on the table,

6305
04:03:12,880 --> 04:03:15,279
right? Um I think there's three of them

6306
04:03:15,279 --> 04:03:19,279
specifically that I think Chad has some drawings that we can kind of take a

6307
04:03:19,279 --> 04:03:20,960
look at to give you guys a better

6308
04:03:20,960 --> 04:03:23,920
understanding of of what's going on. So,

6309
04:03:23,920 --> 04:03:26,800
>> and just so I'm clear, like our budget

6310
04:03:26,800 --> 04:03:29,199
was 5 million all in.

6311
04:03:29,199 --> 04:03:30,319
>> Yes.

6312
04:03:30,319 --> 04:03:31,840
>> With even the soft cost.

6313
04:03:31,840 --> 04:03:32,720
>> Yeah. All in.

6314
04:03:32,720 --> 04:03:34,800
>> Just

6315
04:03:34,800 --> 04:03:36,560
that's what that's what was approved

6316
04:03:36,560 --> 04:03:38,800
like two or three years ago. Pardon some

6317
04:03:38,800 --> 04:03:41,520
of our questions because we're new.

6318
04:03:41,520 --> 04:03:42,160
>> Yeah.

6319
04:03:42,160 --> 04:03:44,399
>> But we're slightly aware, but I don't

6320
04:03:44,399 --> 04:03:46,800
know what was approved in the past.

6321
04:03:46,800 --> 04:03:48,880
Maybe Jessica or someone could uh

6322
04:03:48,880 --> 04:03:50,000
explain to me.

6323
04:03:50,000 --> 04:03:56,800
>> Yeah. Like very very early estimates. We had planned around um 5 million. Like

6324
04:03:56,800 --> 04:03:58,720
in the current budget year, we have

6325
04:03:58,720 --> 04:04:01,040
three million cash budgeted and then we

6326
04:04:01,040 --> 04:04:04,239
were planning for about a $2 million U

6327
04:04:04,239 --> 04:04:06,319
bond.

6328
04:04:06,319 --> 04:04:09,279
And so, and then we do have a couple

6329
04:04:09,279 --> 04:04:10,960
donations,

6330
04:04:10,960 --> 04:04:11,279
>> right,

6331
04:04:11,279 --> 04:04:12,399
>> that um

6332
04:04:12,399 --> 04:04:15,279
>> the the bank and the really nice former

6333
04:04:15,279 --> 04:04:15,760
mayor.

6334
04:04:15,760 --> 04:04:19,359
>> Yeah. A family. And um so now we're just

6335
04:04:19,359 --> 04:04:22,000
trying to kind of pair things down as

6336
04:04:22,000 --> 04:04:25,359
much as we can and then see if you know

6337
04:04:25,359 --> 04:04:28,239
if we need to there's a couple options.

6338
04:04:28,239 --> 04:04:31,359
This project will we're in one budget

6339
04:04:31,359 --> 04:04:34,160
year. we'll go into FY27 with

6340
04:04:34,160 --> 04:04:36,960
construction and then even a little bit

6341
04:04:36,960 --> 04:04:39,520
into into FY28.

6342
04:04:39,520 --> 04:04:41,279
So, there's options. You know, we could

6343
04:04:41,279 --> 04:04:44,000
budget some funds in a regular budgeting

6344
04:04:44,000 --> 04:04:45,840
um from those next two budget years and

6345
04:04:45,840 --> 04:04:49,520
still bond for u you know, $2 million

6346
04:04:49,520 --> 04:04:51,279
for something like that. We're trying to

6347
04:04:51,279 --> 04:04:56,479
get to a point where we can finish the

6348
04:04:56,479 --> 04:04:58,800
design of the project so we can get it

6349
04:04:58,800 --> 04:05:00,720
out to bid, hopefully take advantage of

6350
04:05:00,720 --> 04:05:04,800
the um hungry contractors right now. Um

6351
04:05:04,800 --> 04:05:07,760
but we just, you know, obviously the

6352
04:05:07,760 --> 04:05:11,040
council's the decision makers on funding

6353
04:05:11,040 --> 04:05:13,120
and so that's why we're back here making

6354
04:05:13,120 --> 04:05:14,399
sure that

6355
04:05:14,399 --> 04:05:16,319
>> how we move forward. So regardless of if

6356
04:05:16,319 --> 04:05:18,399
we just say let's not do anything on

6357
04:05:18,399 --> 04:05:21,120
this, we're still over 800,000. So

6358
04:05:21,120 --> 04:05:24,319
what's that plan? Because to me, this is

6359
04:05:24,319 --> 04:05:26,560
we I just need to understand what the

6360
04:05:26,560 --> 04:05:28,640
plan to cover the 800. That's that's

6361
04:05:28,640 --> 04:05:33,600
where there's some things here that we want to decide. Are they, you know,

6362
04:05:33,600 --> 04:05:35,680
can we take these out or can we make

6363
04:05:35,680 --> 04:05:37,520
these changes

6364
04:05:37,520 --> 04:05:40,720
um to kind of do a little bit kind of

6365
04:05:40,720 --> 04:05:43,199
the final value engineering

6366
04:05:43,199 --> 04:05:46,399
and then um decide, you know, can we

6367
04:05:46,399 --> 04:05:49,359
commit to um providing some funds from

6368
04:05:49,359 --> 04:05:51,520
our next two budget years or is the

6369
04:05:51,520 --> 04:05:53,279
council willing to bond for a little

6370
04:05:53,279 --> 04:05:56,080
more than the 2 million originally

6371
04:05:56,080 --> 04:05:58,720
planned for? or how we want to move

6372
04:05:58,720 --> 04:05:59,520
forward.

6373
04:05:59,520 --> 04:06:02,160
>> Shane, I'm still confused because I you

6374
04:06:02,160 --> 04:06:05,359
and I went over the numbers and then we

6375
04:06:05,359 --> 04:06:08,239
have these four items. So, if we if we

6376
04:06:08,239 --> 04:06:10,319
approve the 5 or if we want to move

6377
04:06:10,319 --> 04:06:12,960
forward with the 5.8, these are included

6378
04:06:12,960 --> 04:06:17,120
or excluded. I'm still not following.

6379
04:06:17,120 --> 04:06:20,319
They list four items just it's glazing,

6380
04:06:20,319 --> 04:06:22,239
eliminate vestibule, community center

6381
04:06:22,239 --> 04:06:23,760
mill work, and other miscellaneous

6382
04:06:23,760 --> 04:06:25,279
items.

6383
04:06:25,279 --> 04:06:27,600
Those are included or excluded from the

6384
04:06:27,600 --> 04:06:29,120
2.8.

6385
04:06:29,120 --> 04:06:30,960
>> Shane, feel free to step in and go

6386
04:06:30,960 --> 04:06:32,239
anything.

6387
04:06:32,239 --> 04:06:33,920
>> Right now, excluding this document

6388
04:06:33,920 --> 04:06:36,319
entirely, there is a design development

6389
04:06:36,319 --> 04:06:38,319
set of drawings and information that was

6390
04:06:38,319 --> 04:06:40,720
given to the contractor to to price as a

6391
04:06:40,720 --> 04:06:43,359
budget. All that information came in at

6392
04:06:43,359 --> 04:06:45,120
5.2. That's everything that we're

6393
04:06:45,120 --> 04:06:46,080
planning on, everything that we

6394
04:06:46,080 --> 04:06:48,560
currently have. This is a list of

6395
04:06:48,560 --> 04:06:49,840
information that could potentially

6396
04:06:49,840 --> 04:06:51,840
remove costs from the 5.2.

6397
04:06:51,840 --> 04:06:53,520
>> Oh, okay. So,

6398
04:06:53,520 --> 04:06:55,760
>> so the the difference between the 5.2

6399
04:06:55,760 --> 04:07:01,279
you're seeing and the 4.9 is simply the culmination sum of the accepted

6400
04:07:01,279 --> 04:07:04,239
column of items that we could reduce.

6401
04:07:04,239 --> 04:07:05,600
>> There's items in the blue category, the

6402
04:07:05,600 --> 04:07:06,960
undecided category that we could take

6403
04:07:06,960 --> 04:07:09,680
additional advantage of and take

6404
04:07:09,680 --> 04:07:13,279
>> 61,000 additional from the project.

6405
04:07:13,279 --> 04:07:13,840
>> Okay.

6406
04:07:13,840 --> 04:07:15,359
>> And I apologize.

6407
04:07:15,359 --> 04:07:15,840
>> Thank you.

6408
04:07:15,840 --> 04:07:17,520
>> Too much detail.

6409
04:07:17,520 --> 04:07:20,880
>> Okay. No, that's fine. Um no and to that

6410
04:07:20,880 --> 04:07:22,560
point there's one item like I mentioned

6411
04:07:22,560 --> 04:07:25,199
as an exception and I accepted the green

6412
04:07:25,199 --> 04:07:27,199
column that actually is a additional

6413
04:07:27,199 --> 04:07:28,640
cost to the 5.2 and that's the

6414
04:07:28,640 --> 04:07:30,319
additional windows to the south with the

6415
04:07:30,319 --> 04:07:32,080
structural

6416
04:07:32,080 --> 04:07:33,840
um

6417
04:07:33,840 --> 04:07:35,040
>> here at all.

6418
04:07:35,040 --> 04:07:36,560
>> It is it's included it's just captured

6419
04:07:36,560 --> 04:07:38,160
within that. So it's just making that

6420
04:07:38,160 --> 04:07:40,319
289,000

6421
04:07:40,319 --> 04:07:43,279
sum within the accepted category not as

6422
04:07:43,279 --> 04:07:44,880
powerful. It would be more in the

6423
04:07:44,880 --> 04:07:47,439
neighborhood of 3 339.

6424
04:07:47,439 --> 04:07:49,840
>> Notice the second item that has a 55.

6425
04:07:49,840 --> 04:07:51,760
>> Oh, I see. I see the negative 50.

6426
04:07:51,760 --> 04:07:52,800
>> There's negative.

6427
04:07:52,800 --> 04:07:54,560
>> It's it's worth saying because you may

6428
04:07:54,560 --> 04:07:56,800
be saying, well, there's there's two big

6429
04:07:56,800 --> 04:07:59,120
numbers on the rejected column that are

6430
04:07:59,120 --> 04:08:01,600
>> that are not being considered as what we

6431
04:08:01,600 --> 04:08:02,479
should take forward.

6432
04:08:02,479 --> 04:08:05,439
>> They've already kind of items 1B, 1 C,

6433
04:08:05,439 --> 04:08:06,800
and 1 A. I said that backwards.

6434
04:08:06,800 --> 04:08:08,560
>> Yeah. The top three are all regarding

6435
04:08:08,560 --> 04:08:09,359
the roof.

6436
04:08:09,359 --> 04:08:10,960
>> Yeah. So, it's

6437
04:08:10,960 --> 04:08:12,720
>> it can't be all all of them. It's one or

6438
04:08:12,720 --> 04:08:13,920
the other. Right.

6439
04:08:13,920 --> 04:08:15,279
>> Well, mayor, do you want us to wait

6440
04:08:15,279 --> 04:08:15,680
while they're

6441
04:08:15,680 --> 04:08:18,399
>> present? So, sorry. Just hold on. So,

6442
04:08:18,399 --> 04:08:20,239
>> if

6443
04:08:20,239 --> 04:08:21,760
for being a spreadsheet girl, I don't

6444
04:08:21,760 --> 04:08:25,840
know why I'm lost, but um line item two

6445
04:08:25,840 --> 04:08:27,760
is a negative. So, that means you've

6446
04:08:27,760 --> 04:08:29,840
removed it from the project.

6447
04:08:29,840 --> 04:08:33,520
>> No, that's an additional cost instead of

6448
04:08:33,520 --> 04:08:35,520
taking away. So, everything in the green

6449
04:08:35,520 --> 04:08:38,960
column is taking away from the $5.2 2

6450
04:08:38,960 --> 04:08:41,520
million except for the glazing in the

6451
04:08:41,520 --> 04:08:43,920
community center. That's an additional

6452
04:08:43,920 --> 04:08:50,070
cost

6453
04:08:50,080 --> 04:08:52,080
» that's construction accounting. Yes.

6454
04:08:52,080 --> 04:08:56,399
What's happening is we're tracking dedu

6455
04:08:56,399 --> 04:08:58,800
>> that choice happens to be an increase

6456
04:08:58,800 --> 04:08:59,439
not a dedu.

6457
04:08:59,439 --> 04:09:00,640
>> Okay. So it's going the opposite

6458
04:09:00,640 --> 04:09:01,680
direction.

6459
04:09:01,680 --> 04:09:02,640
>> If I may,

6460
04:09:02,640 --> 04:09:05,120
>> this is Blake Webster with CIRC. So this

6461
04:09:05,120 --> 04:09:07,680
is a little more simplified version. So,

6462
04:09:07,680 --> 04:09:10,239
first we have the construction costs at

6463
04:09:10,239 --> 04:09:13,120
your 5.2 and as Preston mentioned,

6464
04:09:13,120 --> 04:09:15,520
there's that 900,000 for your soft cost,

6465
04:09:15,520 --> 04:09:15,840
right?

6466
04:09:15,840 --> 04:09:18,399
>> And then there's your total of 6.1.

6467
04:09:18,399 --> 04:09:20,560
>> And now, if we jump over to this other

6468
04:09:20,560 --> 04:09:23,199
tab, this is our value engineering log

6469
04:09:23,199 --> 04:09:26,080
where we are now deducting from that 5.2

6470
04:09:26,080 --> 04:09:28,399
that construction cost and every

6471
04:09:28,399 --> 04:09:30,880
accepted item is we are accepting to

6472
04:09:30,880 --> 04:09:32,560
remove that from the project. So, it's a

6473
04:09:32,560 --> 04:09:35,920
deduct. For example, if we so the 5.2 to

6474
04:09:35,920 --> 04:09:38,399
we budgeted the full metal panel roofs

6475
04:09:38,399 --> 04:09:40,880
everywhere. And if we chose to accept

6476
04:09:40,880 --> 04:09:44,239
item 1B, I'm going to change that to

6477
04:09:44,239 --> 04:09:45,760
accepted.

6478
04:09:45,760 --> 04:09:48,160
>> It changes the So down here we have our

6479
04:09:48,160 --> 04:09:50,000
current cost estimate, but now with the

6480
04:09:50,000 --> 04:09:53,120
accepted item, it's now down to just

6481
04:09:53,120 --> 04:09:56,000
over 5 million. So basically as we go

6482
04:09:56,000 --> 04:09:58,319
through this sheet we mark down which

6483
04:09:58,319 --> 04:10:00,880
items we have accepted to remove and

6484
04:10:00,880 --> 04:10:02,960
it's going to reduce our cost and or we

6485
04:10:02,960 --> 04:10:05,840
can choose to reject them and or choose

6486
04:10:05,840 --> 04:10:07,600
>> one of the value engineering happened to

6487
04:10:07,600 --> 04:10:09,600
be an increase it was an add of

6488
04:10:09,600 --> 04:10:10,239
additional

6489
04:10:10,239 --> 04:10:10,880
>> yeah okay

6490
04:10:10,880 --> 04:10:13,439
>> that added glazing was requested and so

6491
04:10:13,439 --> 04:10:15,520
that's it wasn't incorporated in the

6492
04:10:15,520 --> 04:10:17,199
last drawing set but we understanded

6493
04:10:17,199 --> 04:10:18,800
that it's going to be a necessary

6494
04:10:18,800 --> 04:10:20,640
increase so that's a negative

6495
04:10:20,640 --> 04:10:23,120
>> 1 A B and C what you what you've decided

6496
04:10:23,120 --> 04:10:27,040
to do then is is use

6497
04:10:27,040 --> 04:10:28,800
>> mutually exclusive,

6498
04:10:28,800 --> 04:10:30,880
>> right? No, I understand that. So, what

6499
04:10:30,880 --> 04:10:34,080
the all the what kind of roof are we

6500
04:10:34,080 --> 04:10:35,199
going to have?

6501
04:10:35,199 --> 04:10:36,560
>> You're gonna a hybrid.

6502
04:10:36,560 --> 04:10:39,359
>> Great question.

6503
04:10:39,359 --> 04:10:41,920
>> So, what we end up with is a hybrid roof

6504
04:10:41,920 --> 04:10:44,640
system, standing seam over the day room

6505
04:10:44,640 --> 04:10:46,880
and vestable, and we replace the roof

6506
04:10:46,880 --> 04:10:49,359
over the app bay with asphalt and then

6507
04:10:49,359 --> 04:10:52,800
the flat roof is so the markups. Uh

6508
04:10:52,800 --> 04:10:54,399
yeah, that's great. But to give you an

6509
04:10:54,399 --> 04:10:56,640
idea, when you look at the fire station

6510
04:10:56,640 --> 04:10:59,760
right now, the way that it is, it's

6511
04:10:59,760 --> 04:11:03,040
going to be re-roofed exactly as it is

6512
04:11:03,040 --> 04:11:05,600
with those portions. The new portion of

6513
04:11:05,600 --> 04:11:07,920
the building, we'll get some standing

6514
04:11:07,920 --> 04:11:10,000
seam over the front entry and over the

6515
04:11:10,000 --> 04:11:12,319
day room to give it some architectural

6516
04:11:12,319 --> 04:11:13,120
flare.

6517
04:11:13,120 --> 04:11:15,279
>> Standing seam being asphalt. I'm still

6518
04:11:15,279 --> 04:11:16,239
stuck on the metal.

6519
04:11:16,239 --> 04:11:18,399
>> Metal. Metal. Metal. Standing seam is

6520
04:11:18,399 --> 04:11:19,359
metal.

6521
04:11:19,359 --> 04:11:21,120
>> Okay. So we're getting metal roof on the

6522
04:11:21,120 --> 04:11:22,319
new contractor

6523
04:11:22,319 --> 04:11:24,000
>> and then everything else is remaining.

6524
04:11:24,000 --> 04:11:25,840
>> So originally it was supposed to be all

6525
04:11:25,840 --> 04:11:26,319
metal.

6526
04:11:26,319 --> 04:11:28,399
>> That's what I thought was

6527
04:11:28,399 --> 04:11:31,199
>> so to get the to get the cost down

6528
04:11:31,199 --> 04:11:32,720
they're saying that okay

6529
04:11:32,720 --> 04:11:34,160
>> because that was the biggest item and

6530
04:11:34,160 --> 04:11:39,279
then the rest um these four items

6531
04:11:39,279 --> 04:11:40,239
>> that's the

6532
04:11:40,239 --> 04:11:42,479
>> we are removing those. But Shane, you

6533
04:11:42,479 --> 04:11:43,920
brought these up to say we're removing

6534
04:11:43,920 --> 04:11:46,000
this and we're okay unless we budget for

6535
04:11:46,000 --> 04:11:47,600
and then we add them back and then we go

6536
04:11:47,600 --> 04:11:48,399
up higher.

6537
04:11:48,399 --> 04:11:49,680
>> Yeah. So okay,

6538
04:11:49,680 --> 04:11:51,040
>> because you know that we these things

6539
04:11:51,040 --> 04:11:52,399
are important to us.

6540
04:11:52,399 --> 04:11:54,960
>> So no, my understanding was that the

6541
04:11:54,960 --> 04:11:56,960
roof was going to be in the undecided

6542
04:11:56,960 --> 04:11:58,720
the three that and council was going to

6543
04:11:58,720 --> 04:12:01,600
decide which system they wanted to do

6544
04:12:01,600 --> 04:12:03,680
knowing what the cost savings are and

6545
04:12:03,680 --> 04:12:05,840
making that decision. I think the rest

6546
04:12:05,840 --> 04:12:07,840
of them a lot of it I think um the

6547
04:12:07,840 --> 04:12:09,760
glazing we heard that that was important

6548
04:12:09,760 --> 04:12:12,479
so we said keep that in. Um, if you look

6549
04:12:12,479 --> 04:12:17,600
at like um built-in for um the dorms, we

6550
04:12:17,600 --> 04:12:19,199
said that needed to be kept in because

6551
04:12:19,199 --> 04:12:21,120
even though it's an additional cost in

6552
04:12:21,120 --> 04:12:24,720
the long run, they said that um one of

6553
04:12:24,720 --> 04:12:27,120
the complaints is like, you know, if you

6554
04:12:27,120 --> 04:12:29,520
just get a regular bed, they just break

6555
04:12:29,520 --> 04:12:31,520
so easily that you just have to buy new.

6556
04:12:31,520 --> 04:12:33,279
So, initially it'll be a cost savings,

6557
04:12:33,279 --> 04:12:34,880
but you're going to have to buy it, you

6558
04:12:34,880 --> 04:12:38,319
know, buy another one. And um they were

6559
04:12:38,319 --> 04:12:40,479
saying that the one in Highland, how

6560
04:12:40,479 --> 04:12:42,720
long has that fire station been around?

6561
04:12:42,720 --> 04:12:43,520
>> 18 years.

6562
04:12:43,520 --> 04:12:46,160
They haven't had any of the

6563
04:12:46,160 --> 04:12:50,960
built-ins break. Um so to me, if in the

6564
04:12:50,960 --> 04:12:52,880
long run, it ended up being cheaper to

6565
04:12:52,880 --> 04:12:56,560
keep the built-in um beds and furniture

6566
04:12:56,560 --> 04:12:58,560
for the dorm rooms.

6567
04:12:58,560 --> 04:12:59,040
>> Okay.

6568
04:12:59,040 --> 04:13:02,399
>> And then um the epoxy flooring, we ask,

6569
04:13:02,399 --> 04:13:04,080
you know, the chiefs, is that important

6570
04:13:04,080 --> 04:13:05,840
to you? What, you know, what does that

6571
04:13:05,840 --> 04:13:09,760
look like? And um Cir came up with a

6572
04:13:09,760 --> 04:13:14,640
solution where they would um they would

6573
04:13:14,640 --> 04:13:16,960
kind of um we were going to patch and

6574
04:13:16,960 --> 04:13:17,840
grind it

6575
04:13:17,840 --> 04:13:20,080
>> in the app base or where the fire trucks

6576
04:13:20,080 --> 04:13:22,960
park that obviously it's a concrete

6577
04:13:22,960 --> 04:13:25,279
floor. It's old so there's some

6578
04:13:25,279 --> 04:13:29,040
cracking. We'd route those. We'd recock

6579
04:13:29,040 --> 04:13:32,080
those. We'd clean it. We'd get it up to

6580
04:13:32,080 --> 04:13:34,159
standard. We just wouldn't cover it with

6581
04:13:34,159 --> 04:13:37,520
epoxy. My experience with epoxy and app

6582
04:13:37,520 --> 04:13:39,760
bas is it fails after about 5 to 10

6583
04:13:39,760 --> 04:13:42,080
years anyway. So let's not spend money

6584
04:13:42,080 --> 04:13:44,399
and create a place that you have to

6585
04:13:44,399 --> 04:13:46,720
continually maintain and keep replacing.

6586
04:13:46,720 --> 04:13:49,120
Let's get it down to good concrete

6587
04:13:49,120 --> 04:13:53,120
surface that they can take care of.

6588
04:13:53,120 --> 04:13:56,000
>> So these four items the glazing is would

6589
04:13:56,000 --> 04:13:58,000
cost 50,000. And the eliminate the

6590
04:13:58,000 --> 04:14:01,279
vestable it to keep it would cost

6591
04:14:01,279 --> 04:14:03,920
>> nothing well would cost nothing

6592
04:14:03,920 --> 04:14:05,760
>> above or below the 5.2.

6593
04:14:05,760 --> 04:14:07,040
>> Oh, it's already included.

6594
04:14:07,040 --> 04:14:09,040
>> Correct. To remove it would be a value.

6595
04:14:09,040 --> 04:14:11,040
>> We've rejected that

6596
04:14:11,040 --> 04:14:13,359
>> and the community city mill work is

6597
04:14:13,359 --> 04:14:16,080
we're keeping in this cost.

6598
04:14:16,080 --> 04:14:17,359
>> Okay. These are the things we're

6599
04:14:17,359 --> 04:14:18,720
keeping.

6600
04:14:18,720 --> 04:14:19,359
>> Chrissy.

6601
04:14:19,359 --> 04:14:20,239
>> Okay.

6602
04:14:20,239 --> 04:14:21,680
>> Did we not want to let them finish and

6603
04:14:21,680 --> 04:14:23,279
then go one by one or

6604
04:14:23,279 --> 04:14:25,840
>> Oh, no. I'm just trying. Well, we can. I

6605
04:14:25,840 --> 04:14:28,080
just think it might delay if we okay

6606
04:14:28,080 --> 04:14:28,880
interject on them.

6607
04:14:28,880 --> 04:14:30,560
>> Yeah, it's it's good to wrap your hands

6608
04:14:30,560 --> 04:14:32,560
around what the numbers mean and this is

6609
04:14:32,560 --> 04:14:34,960
part of why there wasn't more detail in

6610
04:14:34,960 --> 04:14:36,399
the staff report.

6611
04:14:36,399 --> 04:14:39,279
>> It's kind of hard to explain on paper. I

6612
04:14:39,279 --> 04:14:41,680
think it takes some verbal explanation

6613
04:14:41,680 --> 04:14:43,120
here, but got it.

6614
04:14:43,120 --> 04:14:44,640
>> I didn't mean to cut you off. It's just

6615
04:14:44,640 --> 04:14:47,040
>> No, Andrew likes to go in order, so

6616
04:14:47,040 --> 04:14:48,080
we'll wait.

6617
04:14:48,080 --> 04:14:50,319
>> Okay. Can I Can I explain real quick?

6618
04:14:50,319 --> 04:14:50,640
>> Yeah.

6619
04:14:50,640 --> 04:14:52,080
>> And I'm fine to do whichever is best for

6620
04:14:52,080 --> 04:14:53,600
the council.

6621
04:14:53,600 --> 04:14:54,960
It's it's slightly confusing because

6622
04:14:54,960 --> 04:14:56,399
there is a one master budget that says

6623
04:14:56,399 --> 04:14:57,600
this is what the total is based on the

6624
04:14:57,600 --> 04:14:59,279
drawings. But we're looking into the

6625
04:14:59,279 --> 04:15:00,560
future and knowing that if that's the

6626
04:15:00,560 --> 04:15:01,840
number that is when we do the final

6627
04:15:01,840 --> 04:15:02,800
bidding, we're going to have a problem.

6628
04:15:02,800 --> 04:15:04,399
So rather than address it when we have

6629
04:15:04,399 --> 04:15:05,760
final drawings and there's been a lot

6630
04:15:05,760 --> 04:15:08,800
more progress and work, we're trying to

6631
04:15:08,800 --> 04:15:10,880
allocate determine the path forward now

6632
04:15:10,880 --> 04:15:12,960
so we can make the progress forward more

6633
04:15:12,960 --> 04:15:15,279
appropriately. So the numbers you're

6634
04:15:15,279 --> 04:15:17,520
looking on the screen now are whatever

6635
04:15:17,520 --> 04:15:18,960
column we decide to put them in to

6636
04:15:18,960 --> 04:15:20,880
Mayor's Point will determine whether

6637
04:15:20,880 --> 04:15:23,199
that 5.2 two goes up, goes down, or

6638
04:15:23,199 --> 04:15:25,439
stays the same.

6639
04:15:25,439 --> 04:15:27,920
>> That's the easiest way to put. So,

6640
04:15:27,920 --> 04:15:29,439
everybody

6641
04:15:29,439 --> 04:15:31,760
>> thing if you guys, this might bring all

6642
04:15:31,760 --> 04:15:33,279
of this together just a little bit.

6643
04:15:33,279 --> 04:15:35,920
Maybe not. Um,

6644
04:15:35,920 --> 04:15:38,960
>> you talked about the the bidding,

6645
04:15:38,960 --> 04:15:40,960
>> but can you just talk to the guaranteed

6646
04:15:40,960 --> 04:15:42,159
maximum price and what?

6647
04:15:42,159 --> 04:15:45,840
>> Yeah. So to share with you what we do in

6648
04:15:45,840 --> 04:15:48,640
this process in construction management

6649
04:15:48,640 --> 04:15:52,560
is giving the engineers and architects

6650
04:15:52,560 --> 04:15:54,560
feedback in cost while they're

6651
04:15:54,560 --> 04:15:56,560
designing. So Chad doesn't have to

6652
04:15:56,560 --> 04:15:58,960
redesign and redesign and redesign to

6653
04:15:58,960 --> 04:16:01,760
try and hit a budget. What happens next

6654
04:16:01,760 --> 04:16:04,399
is we get him to a point that we're

6655
04:16:04,399 --> 04:16:06,960
comfortable looking forecasting what the

6656
04:16:06,960 --> 04:16:09,439
budget's going to be. He completes the

6657
04:16:09,439 --> 04:16:11,840
design and then we go back out to the

6658
04:16:11,840 --> 04:16:16,000
market to the subcontractors and bid the

6659
04:16:16,000 --> 04:16:17,199
entire package

6660
04:16:17,199 --> 04:16:18,479
>> competitively.

6661
04:16:18,479 --> 04:16:21,439
>> We come back with bids, multiple bids in

6662
04:16:21,439 --> 04:16:24,399
every trade category, concrete, masonry,

6663
04:16:24,399 --> 04:16:28,319
framing, roofing, drywall. We have a

6664
04:16:28,319 --> 04:16:31,199
complete comparison, multiple bids in

6665
04:16:31,199 --> 04:16:34,560
each one that we share with Shane, with

6666
04:16:34,560 --> 04:16:37,760
the team to see how the bid went. At

6667
04:16:37,760 --> 04:16:40,239
that point, we get to a total. That's

6668
04:16:40,239 --> 04:16:42,319
when we finally get to the guaranteed

6669
04:16:42,319 --> 04:16:45,760
maximum price. We make recommendations

6670
04:16:45,760 --> 04:16:48,080
on which trades are going to be ordered

6671
04:16:48,080 --> 04:16:51,040
or awarded the contract. Again, in those

6672
04:16:51,040 --> 04:16:54,080
same trades, it adds up to a total and

6673
04:16:54,080 --> 04:16:55,920
that becomes the guaranteed maximum

6674
04:16:55,920 --> 04:16:57,840
price. So, we're not suggesting that

6675
04:16:57,840 --> 04:17:00,239
this is the guaranteed maximum price.

6676
04:17:00,239 --> 04:17:01,760
What we're doing is we're assuring

6677
04:17:01,760 --> 04:17:04,319
ourselves that we're forecasting enough

6678
04:17:04,319 --> 04:17:11,990
budget to build what we bid.

6679
04:17:12,000 --> 04:17:15,840
» Okay. Does everybody kind of understand?

6680
04:17:15,840 --> 04:17:17,680
And if we do, we can move forward with

6681
04:17:17,680 --> 04:17:19,279
questions.

6682
04:17:19,279 --> 04:17:21,199
Are we ready for that point?

6683
04:17:21,199 --> 04:17:22,640
>> Mayor, sorry to interrupt. Is there a

6684
04:17:22,640 --> 04:17:24,560
value in seeing any of the diagrams that

6685
04:17:24,560 --> 04:17:25,520
went along with some of these cost

6686
04:17:25,520 --> 04:17:26,399
estimates to put

6687
04:17:26,399 --> 04:17:27,600
>> Yes. I'm sorry. I didn't know if you had

6688
04:17:27,600 --> 04:17:28,880
them or not. If you do, that would be

6689
04:17:28,880 --> 04:17:30,000
>> I do if it's helpful. I didn't do them

6690
04:17:30,000 --> 04:17:30,960
for everyone. I did them for the

6691
04:17:30,960 --> 04:17:31,840
significant ones.

6692
04:17:31,840 --> 04:17:32,800
>> That's great.

6693
04:17:32,800 --> 04:17:34,319
>> I would like to see the roof if you have

6694
04:17:34,319 --> 04:17:34,720
it.

6695
04:17:34,720 --> 04:17:36,000
>> Absolutely.

6696
04:17:36,000 --> 04:17:37,760
>> And then is the idea to go through each

6697
04:17:37,760 --> 04:17:39,600
of those items one at a time and discuss

6698
04:17:39,600 --> 04:17:41,840
them or

6699
04:17:41,840 --> 04:17:43,680
>> not? Not every single one.

6700
04:17:43,680 --> 04:17:45,279
>> Feel free to ask any questions of the

6701
04:17:45,279 --> 04:17:46,479
full list and I'll go back to the list

6702
04:17:46,479 --> 04:17:49,840
at the end to to have it as reference.

6703
04:17:49,840 --> 04:17:52,479
Um, so pardon the crude colors, but it's

6704
04:17:52,479 --> 04:17:54,640
just easy to distinguish. So if you're

6705
04:17:54,640 --> 04:17:57,600
familiar, the the yellow massings on the

6706
04:17:57,600 --> 04:18:00,000
page, those are the existing structure.

6707
04:18:00,000 --> 04:18:02,000
The current plan right now, well, let me

6708
04:18:02,000 --> 04:18:04,560
back up. The 5.2

6709
04:18:04,560 --> 04:18:06,399
suggests that both the existing

6710
04:18:06,399 --> 04:18:09,199
structure and all the new construction

6711
04:18:09,199 --> 04:18:11,279
was to receive a standing seam metal

6712
04:18:11,279 --> 04:18:12,800
roof.

6713
04:18:12,800 --> 04:18:14,399
And councilwoman, that was for your

6714
04:18:14,399 --> 04:18:16,880
question. It's a metal formed roof and

6715
04:18:16,880 --> 04:18:18,159
the ridges all come together and the

6716
04:18:18,159 --> 04:18:20,159
seams that slap up so all the sloping

6717
04:18:20,159 --> 04:18:22,000
goes in one direction.

6718
04:18:22,000 --> 04:18:24,000
>> What we're proposing now as a potential

6719
04:18:24,000 --> 04:18:26,000
value item is that everything you see in

6720
04:18:26,000 --> 04:18:28,319
yellow will be re-roofed with asphalt

6721
04:18:28,319 --> 04:18:29,840
shingling. It's currently asphalt

6722
04:18:29,840 --> 04:18:31,439
shingling and that all the new

6723
04:18:31,439 --> 04:18:33,760
construction in the green would also be

6724
04:18:33,760 --> 04:18:36,640
asphalt shingling much much less

6725
04:18:36,640 --> 04:18:39,279
expensive formula form. And the blue

6726
04:18:39,279 --> 04:18:40,560
items which would be over the main

6727
04:18:40,560 --> 04:18:44,080
entrance vestibule and the day room and

6728
04:18:44,080 --> 04:18:45,760
dining room of the fire station would be

6729
04:18:45,760 --> 04:18:47,120
the standing seam to have a more

6730
04:18:47,120 --> 04:18:48,159
elevated look.

6731
04:18:48,159 --> 04:18:49,680
>> Excellent.

6732
04:18:49,680 --> 04:18:52,080
>> Okay. I'm not going in order of the

6733
04:18:52,080 --> 04:18:53,199
slides because they're slightly

6734
04:18:53,199 --> 04:18:55,040
different, but just as a comparison,

6735
04:18:55,040 --> 04:18:57,359
this is the current exterior elevation

6736
04:18:57,359 --> 04:19:01,359
of the west elevation which is the

6737
04:19:01,359 --> 04:19:03,840
community center. Uh this is the current

6738
04:19:03,840 --> 04:19:05,840
addition glazing we're showing on the

6739
04:19:05,840 --> 04:19:07,920
corner. This is obviously the vestibule.

6740
04:19:07,920 --> 04:19:09,520
These windows are the existing punched

6741
04:19:09,520 --> 04:19:12,080
openings that we're not changing.

6742
04:19:12,080 --> 04:19:14,319
This is the Oops, excuse me. This is

6743
04:19:14,319 --> 04:19:17,439
also the 5.2

6744
04:19:17,439 --> 04:19:19,199
version of the of that south elevation

6745
04:19:19,199 --> 04:19:20,399
of the community room center. You can

6746
04:19:20,399 --> 04:19:22,880
see the vestule in the foreground there.

6747
04:19:22,880 --> 04:19:24,960
Um those are existing punched openings.

6748
04:19:24,960 --> 04:19:26,640
What we've been asked to do as a request

6749
04:19:26,640 --> 04:19:28,800
is to increase those to what's shown on

6750
04:19:28,800 --> 04:19:30,880
the page here with just added additional

6751
04:19:30,880 --> 04:19:34,080
glazing there. Um, another item just to

6752
04:19:34,080 --> 04:19:37,040
bounce on this page, both on the north

6753
04:19:37,040 --> 04:19:39,199
facing and south facing elevation of the

6754
04:19:39,199 --> 04:19:41,600
apparatus bay, the gable portion, which

6755
04:19:41,600 --> 04:19:42,960
is, if you're not familiar, gable

6756
04:19:42,960 --> 04:19:44,399
portion is essentially that triangular

6757
04:19:44,399 --> 04:19:46,560
area below the roof. We're recladding

6758
04:19:46,560 --> 04:19:49,359
that in a faux wood system on both north

6759
04:19:49,359 --> 04:19:52,960
and south that's included in the 5.2. uh

6760
04:19:52,960 --> 04:19:54,720
option was at least on the south side

6761
04:19:54,720 --> 04:19:57,040
away from the the public facing street

6762
04:19:57,040 --> 04:19:59,520
is that we would just keep that exposed

6763
04:19:59,520 --> 04:20:01,199
material as it is now and refinish it

6764
04:20:01,199 --> 04:20:03,199
with it's called ephus basically a

6765
04:20:03,199 --> 04:20:06,870
stucco

6766
04:20:06,880 --> 04:20:22,070
» that one,00300

6767
04:20:22,080 --> 04:20:25,760
Good. Okay. Next couple items here.

6768
04:20:25,760 --> 04:20:28,790
>> $15,300

6769
04:20:28,800 --> 04:20:32,000
» was the savings.

6770
04:20:32,000 --> 04:20:33,600
>> Okay. Small item here. This is the

6771
04:20:33,600 --> 04:20:37,359
street facing uh north elevation. The

6772
04:20:37,359 --> 04:20:39,040
day room and dining room kitchen windows

6773
04:20:39,040 --> 04:20:41,120
here. In a previous design, it we felt

6774
04:20:41,120 --> 04:20:42,800
it was important to increase the glazing

6775
04:20:42,800 --> 04:20:43,840
there. What you're seeing in the

6776
04:20:43,840 --> 04:20:45,279
background. What we're proposing if we

6777
04:20:45,279 --> 04:20:47,680
need to is to decrease the size of the

6778
04:20:47,680 --> 04:20:49,120
glazing to what would be shown in that

6779
04:20:49,120 --> 04:20:54,469
red boundary. That price savings

6780
04:20:54,479 --> 04:21:00,710
is $7,500.

6781
04:21:00,720 --> 04:21:02,399
» And when you say glazing, is that

6782
04:21:02,399 --> 04:21:03,359
literally like

6783
04:21:03,359 --> 04:21:04,319
>> Sorry.

6784
04:21:04,319 --> 04:21:05,279
>> Glass walls.

6785
04:21:05,279 --> 04:21:06,319
>> Yeah. Windows.

6786
04:21:06,319 --> 04:21:08,560
>> Thank you.

6787
04:21:08,560 --> 04:21:11,199
>> Uh last couple here. The yellow area is

6788
04:21:11,199 --> 04:21:13,040
what Rich was referring to previously in

6789
04:21:13,040 --> 04:21:15,040
the apparatus bay. We had a price for

6790
04:21:15,040 --> 04:21:17,359
that to fully replace or not replace but

6791
04:21:17,359 --> 04:21:19,920
epoxy that entire floor and make it new.

6792
04:21:19,920 --> 04:21:22,960
Um the new ve option would be to just

6793
04:21:22,960 --> 04:21:25,120
patch and replace that as needed. So not

6794
04:21:25,120 --> 04:21:27,520
a complete redo.

6795
04:21:27,520 --> 04:21:30,080
Um this is I believe on the undecided

6796
04:21:30,080 --> 04:21:32,640
column councilman just for the purpose

6797
04:21:32,640 --> 04:21:34,560
of function.

6798
04:21:34,560 --> 04:21:36,319
As it stands right now the community

6799
04:21:36,319 --> 04:21:37,680
room center has an added new

6800
04:21:37,680 --> 04:21:39,520
construction vestibule. My screen will

6801
04:21:39,520 --> 04:21:42,080
update. There it goes. Um one of the

6802
04:21:42,080 --> 04:21:43,760
items that's undecided just because it

6803
04:21:43,760 --> 04:21:46,080
is such a functional change is to remove

6804
04:21:46,080 --> 04:21:49,359
said vestibule. Um,

6805
04:21:49,359 --> 04:21:51,120
we can talk semantics if need be, but

6806
04:21:51,120 --> 04:21:52,640
there's some pluses and minuses, but I

6807
04:21:52,640 --> 04:21:55,760
go to that that are beyond just cost.

6808
04:21:55,760 --> 04:21:58,000
And then last, we talked about um some

6809
04:21:58,000 --> 04:21:59,840
portions of the wall on the interior

6810
04:21:59,840 --> 04:22:01,760
because the exterior new construction is

6811
04:22:01,760 --> 04:22:03,359
all out of block. That's the structural

6812
04:22:03,359 --> 04:22:05,279
element that's made out of it. Unless we

6813
04:22:05,279 --> 04:22:08,000
fur it out, we'll have exposed block on

6814
04:22:08,000 --> 04:22:10,159
the interior. Um, being the nature of

6815
04:22:10,159 --> 04:22:11,600
the station and some of the functions,

6816
04:22:11,600 --> 04:22:12,800
we're actually okay with that in some

6817
04:22:12,800 --> 04:22:14,000
areas. So, we tried to strip it down

6818
04:22:14,000 --> 04:22:16,080
where we could.

6819
04:22:16,080 --> 04:22:18,800
So the red area there represents uh stud

6820
04:22:18,800 --> 04:22:20,399
furring walls that would be removed from

6821
04:22:20,399 --> 04:22:21,920
the project.

6822
04:22:21,920 --> 04:22:24,800
>> That's the gymnasium area anyway. So

6823
04:22:24,800 --> 04:22:26,479
that's where the correct exercise

6824
04:22:26,479 --> 04:22:30,229
equipment is

6825
04:22:30,239 --> 04:22:32,080
» representation

6826
04:22:32,080 --> 04:22:34,560
>> that doesn't affect any of the um energy

6827
04:22:34,560 --> 04:22:36,319
efficiency to remove the frame.

6828
04:22:36,319 --> 04:22:38,560
>> No, because we've got the insulation is

6829
04:22:38,560 --> 04:22:41,120
actually on the outside of the wall. Oh,

6830
04:22:41,120 --> 04:22:42,960
>> the the way that the envelopes are

6831
04:22:42,960 --> 04:22:45,120
working in buildings now that all the

6832
04:22:45,120 --> 04:22:46,800
insulation is pushed to the outside of

6833
04:22:46,800 --> 04:22:49,040
the wall, it's kind of interesting. It

6834
04:22:49,040 --> 04:22:50,479
creates the

6835
04:22:50,479 --> 04:22:52,880
>> the due point on the outside wall. It's

6836
04:22:52,880 --> 04:22:54,080
more efficient.

6837
04:22:54,080 --> 04:22:54,800
>> Interesting.

6838
04:22:54,800 --> 04:22:56,560
>> Were you going to use as far as the

6839
04:22:56,560 --> 04:22:58,159
vestibule?

6840
04:22:58,159 --> 04:22:59,840
>> You said there were other considerations

6841
04:22:59,840 --> 04:23:02,319
outside of cost

6842
04:23:02,319 --> 04:23:04,319
>> in the architectural design. I Yeah, I

6843
04:23:04,319 --> 04:23:05,120
think so.

6844
04:23:05,120 --> 04:23:07,680
>> Just Oh, just as far as a aesthetics.

6845
04:23:07,680 --> 04:23:10,319
>> No, not just that. So, in my mind, it's

6846
04:23:10,319 --> 04:23:11,840
difficult taking an existing building

6847
04:23:11,840 --> 04:23:14,319
that is what is there currently and

6848
04:23:14,319 --> 04:23:16,080
trying to adapt it with that of an

6849
04:23:16,080 --> 04:23:17,840
addition as well and not making it very

6850
04:23:17,840 --> 04:23:20,640
obvious that it's a just an addition

6851
04:23:20,640 --> 04:23:21,840
next to an existing building. We're

6852
04:23:21,840 --> 04:23:23,680
trying to blend the two together. And

6853
04:23:23,680 --> 04:23:25,760
so, that's one element of the community

6854
04:23:25,760 --> 04:23:27,680
center that's new and upgraded to help

6855
04:23:27,680 --> 04:23:29,760
blend the two. So, overall,

6856
04:23:29,760 --> 04:23:31,040
compositionally, I think it adds

6857
04:23:31,040 --> 04:23:33,680
something that is aesthetic. Um there is

6858
04:23:33,680 --> 04:23:36,880
a functional and kind of warmth and uh

6859
04:23:36,880 --> 04:23:38,159
comfort level that comes with having the

6860
04:23:38,159 --> 04:23:40,479
vestule. If without it those doors open

6861
04:23:40,479 --> 04:23:42,080
any type of weather kind of comes right

6862
04:23:42,080 --> 04:23:44,159
into that large community room center

6863
04:23:44,159 --> 04:23:46,319
without kind of a break from the window

6864
04:23:46,319 --> 04:23:49,359
or from the weather.

6865
04:23:49,359 --> 04:23:51,040
Um, and then this kind of gets in

6866
04:23:51,040 --> 04:23:53,120
semantics, but right now the way we have

6867
04:23:53,120 --> 04:23:55,439
it planned with the two separate

6868
04:23:55,439 --> 04:23:57,120
openings within the vestibule, if you

6869
04:23:57,120 --> 04:23:59,760
can see that on screen, those are

6870
04:23:59,760 --> 04:24:01,439
identified based on existing openings to

6871
04:24:01,439 --> 04:24:03,680
help minimize structural costs. There's

6872
04:24:03,680 --> 04:24:05,279
not really a need to have two separate

6873
04:24:05,279 --> 04:24:07,680
openings. So, we could look at something

6874
04:24:07,680 --> 04:24:10,159
else. We could look at as glazing, but

6875
04:24:10,159 --> 04:24:11,680
that's part of it. So, it kind of starts

6876
04:24:11,680 --> 04:24:13,120
opening different doors of what we could

6877
04:24:13,120 --> 04:24:15,279
do if we don't have the vestibule.

6878
04:24:15,279 --> 04:24:16,960
>> Okay.

6879
04:24:16,960 --> 04:24:18,239
Did I read that right? It's about

6880
04:24:18,239 --> 04:24:20,399
$24,000.

6881
04:24:20,399 --> 04:24:23,120
Is it really? Am I misreading that?

6882
04:24:23,120 --> 04:24:25,439
>> Yeah. 23578.

6883
04:24:25,439 --> 04:24:26,640
>> I rounded.

6884
04:24:26,640 --> 04:24:27,520
>> That's correct. Yeah,

6885
04:24:27,520 --> 04:24:28,960
>> that's correct.

6886
04:24:28,960 --> 04:24:29,279
>> Thank you.

6887
04:24:29,279 --> 04:24:30,640
>> And what is the community center mill

6888
04:24:30,640 --> 04:24:33,199
work?

6889
04:24:33,199 --> 04:24:36,399
It's along the east wall like kind of um

6890
04:24:36,399 --> 04:24:39,439
like the c the built-in cabinets

6891
04:24:39,439 --> 04:24:41,040
>> and bookshelves like kind of like for

6892
04:24:41,040 --> 04:24:43,359
the history wall or um

6893
04:24:43,359 --> 04:24:45,040
>> the TVs for the

6894
04:24:45,040 --> 04:24:48,640
>> the TVs and then also for a staging area

6895
04:24:48,640 --> 04:24:53,439
for on the very northeast

6896
04:24:53,439 --> 04:24:56,960
set of mill work. It was um they

6897
04:24:56,960 --> 04:24:58,960
designed a countertop to kind of stage

6898
04:24:58,960 --> 04:25:02,319
the serving area for the lunchons.

6899
04:25:02,319 --> 04:25:04,000
so that it wouldn't take more like we

6900
04:25:04,000 --> 04:25:05,359
wouldn't have to bring out additional

6901
04:25:05,359 --> 04:25:10,229
shles.

6902
04:25:10,239 --> 04:25:13,279
» So, some of the comments that we've, you

6903
04:25:13,279 --> 04:25:15,600
know, had from different council members

6904
04:25:15,600 --> 04:25:17,680
through this last several months of this

6905
04:25:17,680 --> 04:25:21,359
process is, hey, you know, we we really

6906
04:25:21,359 --> 04:25:23,520
would like to end up with a building we

6907
04:25:23,520 --> 04:25:26,319
want. And so,

6908
04:25:26,319 --> 04:25:28,399
again, that's why we're back here. We we

6909
04:25:28,399 --> 04:25:30,159
want to make sure that you get what you

6910
04:25:30,159 --> 04:25:33,920
want. um and make sure that we're

6911
04:25:33,920 --> 04:25:37,920
willing to pay for that product

6912
04:25:37,920 --> 04:25:40,080
basically.

6913
04:25:40,080 --> 04:25:41,439
>> Have you had that same discussion with

6914
04:25:41,439 --> 04:25:43,199
our fire chief?

6915
04:25:43,199 --> 04:25:44,960
>> Yeah. No, they've been in the meetings.

6916
04:25:44,960 --> 04:25:45,600
>> Yeah, they've been

6917
04:25:45,600 --> 04:25:47,199
>> both Chief Beck and Chief

6918
04:25:47,199 --> 04:25:48,800
>> and he's he's getting what he wants and

6919
04:25:48,800 --> 04:25:49,520
needs.

6920
04:25:49,520 --> 04:25:52,640
>> Yeah, we they've agreed. We pulled out

6921
04:25:52,640 --> 04:25:55,199
mill work and used wire racks and all

6922
04:25:55,199 --> 04:25:56,800
kinds of different things and and

6923
04:25:56,800 --> 04:25:59,520
they've been great through that process.

6924
04:25:59,520 --> 04:26:02,880
Um yeah, not not looking for the Taj

6925
04:26:02,880 --> 04:26:06,880
Mahal. They want functional. So I do

6926
04:26:06,880 --> 04:26:09,439
feel it's worth advocating that I've

6927
04:26:09,439 --> 04:26:11,920
designed half a dozen or more fire

6928
04:26:11,920 --> 04:26:13,439
stations layouts and things like that.

6929
04:26:13,439 --> 04:26:16,239
And in terms of a program and flow of

6930
04:26:16,239 --> 04:26:18,159
plan,

6931
04:26:18,159 --> 04:26:20,560
the fire chief has been really

6932
04:26:20,560 --> 04:26:22,159
supportive of a minimal approach and

6933
04:26:22,159 --> 04:26:24,479
making it as functional and compact as

6934
04:26:24,479 --> 04:26:26,560
possible.

6935
04:26:26,560 --> 04:26:30,080
>> Okay. And from the sidebar, from search

6936
04:26:30,080 --> 04:26:32,880
point of view as well, we just completed

6937
04:26:32,880 --> 04:26:38,640
uh our GMP amendment for um Spanish Fork

6938
04:26:38,640 --> 04:26:42,479
um today. As a matter of fact, um

6939
04:26:42,479 --> 04:26:44,800
>> Spanish fork fire

6940
04:26:44,800 --> 04:26:48,239
>> and um

6941
04:26:48,239 --> 04:26:49,920
he

6942
04:26:49,920 --> 04:26:52,080
Chad's absolutely right. what chief's

6943
04:26:52,080 --> 04:26:56,239
been able to do here has been very um

6944
04:26:56,239 --> 04:26:57,760
accommodating.

6945
04:26:57,760 --> 04:27:00,399
Uh understanding that what his mission

6946
04:27:00,399 --> 04:27:02,560
is and what he needs has been really

6947
04:27:02,560 --> 04:27:04,479
great to

6948
04:27:04,479 --> 04:27:09,040
be uh cognizant of budget and where that

6949
04:27:09,040 --> 04:27:12,080
needs to hit but also getting the base

6950
04:27:12,080 --> 04:27:14,720
minimum for his operation and his

6951
04:27:14,720 --> 04:27:17,040
mission.

6952
04:27:17,040 --> 04:27:22,319
Where's the savings on the bay doors?

6953
04:27:22,319 --> 04:27:27,510
Okay, keep

6954
04:27:27,520 --> 04:27:29,439
» is that not on here?

6955
04:27:29,439 --> 04:27:30,720
>> No. Because um

6956
04:27:30,720 --> 04:27:32,720
>> one to to not replace them.

6957
04:27:32,720 --> 04:27:35,760
>> No, no, no, no. Go going from um high

6958
04:27:35,760 --> 04:27:38,479
speed to regular speed on the re-entry

6959
04:27:38,479 --> 04:27:41,359
on the south side. I thought that was a

6960
04:27:41,359 --> 04:27:43,359
>> We took that off. We had that

6961
04:27:43,359 --> 04:27:45,279
>> originally. Okay. Yeah, originally we

6962
04:27:45,279 --> 04:27:48,080
had uh highspeed on the exit door. So

6963
04:27:48,080 --> 04:27:50,479
when they leave to go on call those are

6964
04:27:50,479 --> 04:27:52,159
high speed but when they return it's

6965
04:27:52,159 --> 04:27:53,439
just a normal

6966
04:27:53,439 --> 04:27:54,319
>> regular right.

6967
04:27:54,319 --> 04:27:56,640
>> We had given that some thought to have

6968
04:27:56,640 --> 04:27:58,560
those high speed but because of the

6969
04:27:58,560 --> 04:28:00,800
budget constraint we removed that and

6970
04:28:00,800 --> 04:28:02,640
just went with normal

6971
04:28:02,640 --> 04:28:05,279
>> speed on the re-entry doors.

6972
04:28:05,279 --> 04:28:07,120
>> I remember the conversation happened but

6973
04:28:07,120 --> 04:28:08,720
just at a different time than what

6974
04:28:08,720 --> 04:28:10,720
>> Yeah. So there's a lot of things like

6975
04:28:10,720 --> 04:28:13,920
that that we've already done that just

6976
04:28:13,920 --> 04:28:15,600
seem to make sense with the

6977
04:28:15,600 --> 04:28:21,269
circumstances and everything.

6978
04:28:21,279 --> 04:28:22,960
» Okay. Do you have any questions,

6979
04:28:22,960 --> 04:28:23,840
Chrissy?

6980
04:28:23,840 --> 04:28:28,319
>> I don't have questions for them. I had a previous conversation with Shane. I

6981
04:28:28,319 --> 04:28:30,000
wanted to share unless he's going to

6982
04:28:30,000 --> 04:28:32,319
about the budget.

6983
04:28:32,319 --> 04:28:34,080
>> Yeah. Yeah.

6984
04:28:34,080 --> 04:28:35,840
>> But let everyone else ask their

6985
04:28:35,840 --> 04:28:36,479
questions.

6986
04:28:36,479 --> 04:28:41,520
>> Oh, okay. Where uh Brent, do you want to

6987
04:28:41,520 --> 04:28:43,359
>> No, I don't have any further questions.

6988
04:28:43,359 --> 04:28:45,120
Thanks for your thoughtful approach,

6989
04:28:45,120 --> 04:28:47,920
Chief, and you guys on reducing costs.

6990
04:28:47,920 --> 04:28:50,080
>> Jessica,

6991
04:28:50,080 --> 04:28:52,319
>> mine relates to the budget. It's hard to

6992
04:28:52,319 --> 04:28:54,239
decide where to go on these things

6993
04:28:54,239 --> 04:28:56,159
without knowing

6994
04:28:56,159 --> 04:28:57,279
>> how much funding.

6995
04:28:57,279 --> 04:28:59,120
>> Yeah. Like I need to know the number to

6996
04:28:59,120 --> 04:28:59,600
be able.

6997
04:28:59,600 --> 04:29:01,600
>> So maybe we should talk about that now.

6998
04:29:01,600 --> 04:29:02,000
>> Yeah.

6999
04:29:02,000 --> 04:29:04,159
>> As far as what the bonding cost would

7000
04:29:04,159 --> 04:29:06,479
be. So if we take out a $2 million bond,

7001
04:29:06,479 --> 04:29:09,920
that's a annual fee. Uh it'll be What is

7002
04:29:09,920 --> 04:29:11,760
the bond payment? Is it 150 or is it?

7003
04:29:11,760 --> 04:29:16,880
>> Yeah. So, a 20-year bond at at 4% uh $2

7004
04:29:16,880 --> 04:29:21,520
million is roughly 150,000 a year.

7005
04:29:21,520 --> 04:29:23,760
That's that's a you know, ballpark

7006
04:29:23,760 --> 04:29:28,479
number. Um, and I mean, just looking at

7007
04:29:28,479 --> 04:29:31,040
this, if we were to cut 200,000 off

7008
04:29:31,040 --> 04:29:33,439
somewhere, so it was a bond of 1.8

7009
04:29:33,439 --> 04:29:37,040
million, that payment's about 134,000 a

7010
04:29:37,040 --> 04:29:41,199
year. Um, so you're about roughly 16,000

7011
04:29:41,199 --> 04:29:42,720
difference for

7012
04:29:42,720 --> 04:29:44,960
>> But if you look at it how it would

7013
04:29:44,960 --> 04:29:47,760
impact an average household. So if you

7014
04:29:47,760 --> 04:29:50,720
go to $150,000

7015
04:29:50,720 --> 04:29:52,640
and then you divide that by what we have

7016
04:29:52,640 --> 04:29:56,159
2,600 homes or is it close or is it

7017
04:29:56,159 --> 04:29:57,359
>> 27? Probably

7018
04:29:57,359 --> 04:30:00,870
>> 2,700.

7019
04:30:00,880 --> 04:30:02,399
» Oh, they don't pay maybe.

7020
04:30:02,399 --> 04:30:04,000
>> But they don't all pay the same amount.

7021
04:30:04,000 --> 04:30:05,680
>> No, but it's a it's relative.

7022
04:30:05,680 --> 04:30:07,040
>> I know.

7023
04:30:07,040 --> 04:30:09,120
>> Uh, okay. Okay, I'm doing it by 2,700

7024
04:30:09,120 --> 04:30:10,720
homes. Sorry. So, the numbers are going

7025
04:30:10,720 --> 04:30:14,479
to be a little bit off. So, that's $55 a

7026
04:30:14,479 --> 04:30:16,640
year per household or if you divide it

7027
04:30:16,640 --> 04:30:17,760
by 12

7028
04:30:17,760 --> 04:30:18,319
>> on average,

7029
04:30:18,319 --> 04:30:20,800
>> that would be $463

7030
04:30:20,800 --> 04:30:24,319
per month per household.

7031
04:30:24,319 --> 04:30:26,880
>> And what you I mean, again, I'm I'm very

7032
04:30:26,880 --> 04:30:28,800
averse to borrow. I'm very averse to

7033
04:30:28,800 --> 04:30:31,120
borrowing money in my personal life. Um,

7034
04:30:31,120 --> 04:30:34,239
but I have been educated about how

7035
04:30:34,239 --> 04:30:36,000
sometimes it's appropriate to bond in

7036
04:30:36,000 --> 04:30:37,600
government funding because it spreads

7037
04:30:37,600 --> 04:30:39,680
the cost out to future res residents and

7038
04:30:39,680 --> 04:30:41,840
not just the cost of the to the current

7039
04:30:41,840 --> 04:30:42,239
res.

7040
04:30:42,239 --> 04:30:43,760
>> Well, and you're only paying for it when

7041
04:30:43,760 --> 04:30:45,439
you're using it, right? When you live in

7042
04:30:45,439 --> 04:30:47,040
the city, if you leave, then you're not

7043
04:30:47,040 --> 04:30:50,399
obligated for those bond payments.

7044
04:30:50,399 --> 04:30:52,960
>> My concern is if we're bonding for this,

7045
04:30:52,960 --> 04:30:54,800
are we potentially also bonding for a

7046
04:30:54,800 --> 04:30:58,000
well and some of our water as well?

7047
04:30:58,000 --> 04:31:02,159
>> Yeah. And so on that, I mean, if we bond

7048
04:31:02,159 --> 04:31:04,720
for water projects, they're looking at

7049
04:31:04,720 --> 04:31:07,120
our water funds. They're looking at our

7050
04:31:07,120 --> 04:31:09,040
water rates and what we bring in and our

7051
04:31:09,040 --> 04:31:12,399
water impact fees. And unless we do

7052
04:31:12,399 --> 04:31:13,920
something totally different than we have

7053
04:31:13,920 --> 04:31:15,439
done in the past for those type

7054
04:31:15,439 --> 04:31:17,920
utilities, it really wouldn't. This is

7055
04:31:17,920 --> 04:31:20,720
proposed as a sales tax bond. So, it'd

7056
04:31:20,720 --> 04:31:22,720
be different different pots of money.

7057
04:31:22,720 --> 04:31:24,159
>> Oh, okay.

7058
04:31:24,159 --> 04:31:27,680
>> Yeah. Um just to I've talked to many

7059
04:31:27,680 --> 04:31:31,600
people about water and they really uh as

7060
04:31:31,600 --> 04:31:33,760
a policy we need to self-fund our own

7061
04:31:33,760 --> 04:31:35,359
because it's an enterprise fund so it's

7062
04:31:35,359 --> 04:31:37,680
business. So if we can't pay for our own

7063
04:31:37,680 --> 04:31:39,600
business costs we're undercharging our

7064
04:31:39,600 --> 04:31:42,800
users so it's completely separate. All

7065
04:31:42,800 --> 04:31:44,399
the money is completely separate from

7066
04:31:44,399 --> 04:31:47,120
this fire station. And so he did point

7067
04:31:47,120 --> 04:31:49,359
out um Shane pointed out that would be a

7068
04:31:49,359 --> 04:31:52,389
$150,000

7069
04:31:52,399 --> 04:31:54,800
um line item in our budget because we

7070
04:31:54,800 --> 04:31:56,560
don't have a sales tax bond, right? It

7071
04:31:56,560 --> 04:31:57,760
would and it would be in the general

7072
04:31:57,760 --> 04:31:59,359
fund. Is that what you were talking

7073
04:31:59,359 --> 04:31:59,680
about?

7074
04:31:59,680 --> 04:32:00,319
>> Y.

7075
04:32:00,319 --> 04:32:02,479
>> So currently to pay for this fire

7076
04:32:02,479 --> 04:32:04,399
station, we've had a $1 million line

7077
04:32:04,399 --> 04:32:07,120
item for a couple of years. So, it's

7078
04:32:07,120 --> 04:32:10,399
actually we'll we'll if we bond, we'll

7079
04:32:10,399 --> 04:32:14,560
have like effectively at least $800,000

7080
04:32:14,560 --> 04:32:16,720
to do something else with than the fire

7081
04:32:16,720 --> 04:32:18,239
station.

7082
04:32:18,239 --> 04:32:20,800
Or another option, Shane, you didn't

7083
04:32:20,800 --> 04:32:22,640
bring it up, was we do have a fund

7084
04:32:22,640 --> 04:32:25,920
balance. And so, um I think I've talked

7085
04:32:25,920 --> 04:32:27,600
to you guys about this. If I haven't, I

7086
04:32:27,600 --> 04:32:29,199
apologize, but we've been looking at

7087
04:32:29,199 --> 04:32:31,520
what is an appropriate fund balance and

7088
04:32:31,520 --> 04:32:33,359
how to measure it and how to what are

7089
04:32:33,359 --> 04:32:36,800
benchmarks for it. And um by all

7090
04:32:36,800 --> 04:32:39,040
measures we have a very very high fund

7091
04:32:39,040 --> 04:32:41,760
balance which could be utilized for the

7092
04:32:41,760 --> 04:32:44,399
entire delta here that we're talking

7093
04:32:44,399 --> 04:32:46,239
about and we don't have to bond more

7094
04:32:46,239 --> 04:32:47,760
than 2 million.

7095
04:32:47,760 --> 04:32:49,040
>> Yeah.

7096
04:32:49,040 --> 04:32:53,760
>> So those are like different like if we the plan was 2 million it's

7097
04:32:53,760 --> 04:32:55,600
150,000 ongoing and then we use fund

7098
04:32:55,600 --> 04:32:59,040
balance to cover anything that is beyond

7099
04:32:59,040 --> 04:33:01,520
that. So it's not I don't think there's

7100
04:33:01,520 --> 04:33:04,160
like it's a straightforward we have to

7101
04:33:04,160 --> 04:33:05,920
do one thing and that would all be

7102
04:33:05,920 --> 04:33:07,760
decisions like that we'd have to get to

7103
04:33:07,760 --> 04:33:09,439
make at the time.

7104
04:33:09,439 --> 04:33:11,439
>> How much out of the current budget or

7105
04:33:11,439 --> 04:33:13,920
through the bundance balance or bond

7106
04:33:13,920 --> 04:33:15,279
>> or the bonding y

7107
04:33:15,279 --> 04:33:17,119
>> and how do we balance that? I think we

7108
04:33:17,119 --> 04:33:18,400
could probably do some of each.

7109
04:33:18,400 --> 04:33:19,039
>> Yeah. Right.

7110
04:33:19,039 --> 04:33:20,400
>> And then there's a few other little

7111
04:33:20,400 --> 04:33:21,920
factors that we really haven't gotten

7112
04:33:21,920 --> 04:33:24,080
into. There's a design contingency

7113
04:33:24,080 --> 04:33:26,160
that's built in and

7114
04:33:26,160 --> 04:33:27,680
>> we'll let you worry about that later. I

7115
04:33:27,680 --> 04:33:28,160
mean, there's

7116
04:33:28,160 --> 04:33:29,279
>> that's why it's there, right?

7117
04:33:29,279 --> 04:33:31,680
>> Buffers in different places. So,

7118
04:33:31,680 --> 04:33:32,719
>> there's different pots.

7119
04:33:32,719 --> 04:33:34,080
>> Yeah.

7120
04:33:34,080 --> 04:33:37,279
>> To me, um the the cost when when I sat

7121
04:33:37,279 --> 04:33:38,561
down with Shane, I'm like, "Okay, how

7122
04:33:38,561 --> 04:33:40,879
much is this going to cost to to bond

7123
04:33:40,879 --> 04:33:42,639
and how much is that per resident?" kind

7124
04:33:42,639 --> 04:33:47,680
of what Carla's calculation was like to Shane's point, I feel like the last

7125
04:33:47,680 --> 04:33:49,520
time they built this fire station,

7126
04:33:49,520 --> 04:33:51,920
Chief, is it 90s in the '9s?

7127
04:33:51,920 --> 04:33:52,639
>> 96.

7128
04:33:52,639 --> 04:33:55,920
So it's

7129
04:33:55,920 --> 04:33:58,639
help help me with 30 years old and so

7130
04:33:58,639 --> 04:34:02,320
every 30 to 40 years we might redo it.

7131
04:34:02,320 --> 04:34:04,480
So we might as well enjoy like not enjoy

7132
04:34:04,480 --> 04:34:05,840
but we might as well make it what we

7133
04:34:05,840 --> 04:34:08,240
want because you know what I'm saying?

7134
04:34:08,240 --> 04:34:10,160
It's going to last. Maybe not the

7135
04:34:10,160 --> 04:34:12,400
hundredyear mark that that Andrew likes

7136
04:34:12,400 --> 04:34:15,279
to use, but it's going to last. And so I

7137
04:34:15,279 --> 04:34:18,799
feel like um it we we want we have we

7138
04:34:18,799 --> 04:34:20,400
don't have any community center right

7139
04:34:20,400 --> 04:34:25,039
now. we have some donations to make it. So, I do feel like there's

7140
04:34:25,039 --> 04:34:28,080
resources available. Um, and I'm in

7141
04:34:28,080 --> 04:34:30,959
favor of all the of keeping things

7142
04:34:30,959 --> 04:34:33,199
rather than everything you you you

7143
04:34:33,199 --> 04:34:35,199
listed. I think my math is coming out at

7144
04:34:35,199 --> 04:34:37,119
76,000 for these little things. I

7145
04:34:37,119 --> 04:34:39,439
personally would like to revisit about

7146
04:34:39,439 --> 04:34:42,080
the um the roof, but we're going in

7147
04:34:42,080 --> 04:34:44,799
order, so I'll save that discussion.

7148
04:34:44,799 --> 04:34:46,639
>> Okay. So, you were you stepped out, so

7149
04:34:46,639 --> 04:34:48,959
we had to skip over you. Did you have

7150
04:34:48,959 --> 04:34:49,680
any questions?

7151
04:34:49,680 --> 04:34:51,600
>> Yeah. Well, no, we already went and so

7152
04:34:51,600 --> 04:34:52,480
if you have any questions.

7153
04:34:52,480 --> 04:34:56,240
>> Thank you. I'm sorry I missed parts. Um,

7154
04:34:56,240 --> 04:34:57,439
I don't know if you guys want to close

7155
04:34:57,439 --> 04:35:00,000
your ears for a little bit.

7156
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:02,160
>> Oh. Oh, man.

7157
04:35:02,160 --> 04:35:03,600
>> Just let's be succinct.

7158
04:35:03,600 --> 04:35:06,000
>> I am. I'm trying to be succinct.

7159
04:35:06,000 --> 04:35:06,879
>> 10:35.

7160
04:35:06,879 --> 04:35:09,600
>> Um,

7161
04:35:09,600 --> 04:35:11,359
what's the square footage of this

7162
04:35:11,359 --> 04:35:13,680
building that you're working on? 11,000

7163
04:35:13,680 --> 04:35:16,080
or 7,000? I know it's hard.

7164
04:35:16,080 --> 04:35:17,680
>> The addition or the new construction?

7165
04:35:17,680 --> 04:35:19,520
>> The addition. I've got I'm amazed what

7166
04:35:19,520 --> 04:35:21,359
AI knows. It knows who you are. It knows

7167
04:35:21,359 --> 04:35:23,359
your business. It knows how much. It

7168
04:35:23,359 --> 04:35:24,959
knows all the plans. It knows everything

7169
04:35:24,959 --> 04:35:28,080
we're talking about right now.

7170
04:35:28,080 --> 04:35:30,080
>> The addition is 5,400 ft. Yeah.

7171
04:35:30,080 --> 04:35:31,920
>> 5,400 square feet. Well, I got that

7172
04:35:31,920 --> 04:35:34,000
wrong. So, do you know what the price

7173
04:35:34,000 --> 04:35:36,080
per square foot is right now that we're

7174
04:35:36,080 --> 04:35:37,279
budgeting? Like,

7175
04:35:37,279 --> 04:35:39,760
>> it's on one of the spreadsheets. So if

7176
04:35:39,760 --> 04:35:41,680
it's regardless of what it is, I do want

7177
04:35:41,680 --> 04:35:44,160
to clarify though because typically a

7178
04:35:44,160 --> 04:35:46,320
price per square foot is a blended rate

7179
04:35:46,320 --> 04:35:47,920
over the entire square footage of a

7180
04:35:47,920 --> 04:35:48,561
building,

7181
04:35:48,561 --> 04:35:51,039
>> right? I'm just trying to get ballparks,

7182
04:35:51,039 --> 04:35:52,879
>> but it's it's necessary to understand

7183
04:35:52,879 --> 04:35:54,160
with this type of building, we're not

7184
04:35:54,160 --> 04:35:55,680
doing anything to the apparatus bay,

7185
04:35:55,680 --> 04:35:57,199
which constitutes a huge percentage of

7186
04:35:57,199 --> 04:35:58,639
the square footage of the building. The

7187
04:35:58,639 --> 04:36:00,080
only we're doing to that is reskinning

7188
04:36:00,080 --> 04:36:01,279
the exterior.

7189
04:36:01,279 --> 04:36:04,240
>> Okay? So excuse you're counting the

7190
04:36:04,240 --> 04:36:05,920
square foot of just the parts that

7191
04:36:05,920 --> 04:36:07,680
you're actually building up, but not

7192
04:36:07,680 --> 04:36:09,600
>> we have it broken down. So go ahead. Go

7193
04:36:09,600 --> 04:36:10,639
ahead. But it's just important to

7194
04:36:10,639 --> 04:36:11,680
recognize that the pardon

7195
04:36:11,680 --> 04:36:12,959
>> if I missed it. Did everyone already see

7196
04:36:12,959 --> 04:36:14,160
this? If you did, I can look it up.

7197
04:36:14,160 --> 04:36:14,639
>> Yeah. So

7198
04:36:14,639 --> 04:36:16,160
>> I have had it up there earlier.

7199
04:36:16,160 --> 04:36:18,561
>> Okay. The remodel of the community

7200
04:36:18,561 --> 04:36:23,199
center is worth $519 a square foot.

7201
04:36:23,199 --> 04:36:24,400
>> Okay.

7202
04:36:24,400 --> 04:36:27,520
>> The addition of the fire station is

7203
04:36:27,520 --> 04:36:31,039
worth $643 a square foot.

7204
04:36:31,039 --> 04:36:34,719
and the vestibule is worth $294 a square

7205
04:36:34,719 --> 04:36:36,000
foot.

7206
04:36:36,000 --> 04:36:39,269
>> Okay,

7207
04:36:39,279 --> 04:36:41,279
» those numbers

7208
04:36:41,279 --> 04:36:43,840
>> include

7209
04:36:43,840 --> 04:36:45,439
everything that we've talked

7210
04:36:45,439 --> 04:36:47,439
>> that's including the budget of this

7211
04:36:47,439 --> 04:36:49,359
5.9ish even with

7212
04:36:49,359 --> 04:36:50,561
>> 5.2.

7213
04:36:50,561 --> 04:36:52,561
>> Oh, that's the 5.2, not with the extra

7214
04:36:52,561 --> 04:36:54,000
800. So, it would push

7215
04:36:54,000 --> 04:36:55,439
>> that doesn't include the soft costs.

7216
04:36:55,439 --> 04:36:57,119
That's construction costs only.

7217
04:36:57,119 --> 04:36:59,520
>> Oh, okay. Good clarification. Okay. So,

7218
04:36:59,520 --> 04:37:01,439
those were some of the questions. Then

7219
04:37:01,439 --> 04:37:07,199
some of the uh bigger things. I'm coming at this

7220
04:37:07,199 --> 04:37:08,879
late. Okay. So, I don't know what's been

7221
04:37:08,879 --> 04:37:12,160
approved and what is like nonchangeable.

7222
04:37:12,160 --> 04:37:13,680
Um

7223
04:37:13,680 --> 04:37:16,160
but uh

7224
04:37:16,160 --> 04:37:17,920
I don't know why we're doing this. I

7225
04:37:17,920 --> 04:37:22,000
guess I I just I don't know why we're um

7226
04:37:22,000 --> 04:37:24,561
doing this when there are other things

7227
04:37:24,561 --> 04:37:28,400
um that are so much more pressing. But I

7228
04:37:28,400 --> 04:37:29,760
don't know if there's even anything to

7229
04:37:29,760 --> 04:37:31,359
do about that. This has been decided

7230
04:37:31,359 --> 04:37:34,561
long ago, I guess. Um,

7231
04:37:34,561 --> 04:37:36,561
>> so right now, do you have specific

7232
04:37:36,561 --> 04:37:38,240
questions? And then meanwhile, if you

7233
04:37:38,240 --> 04:37:40,480
don't, if you want to start think about

7234
04:37:40,480 --> 04:37:42,240
>> three questions about the undecided

7235
04:37:42,240 --> 04:37:42,879
items.

7236
04:37:42,879 --> 04:37:44,000
>> Yeah. Three questions. what we're going

7237
04:37:44,000 --> 04:37:45,600
to be going over. Three questions would

7238
04:37:45,600 --> 04:37:48,639
just be are we bringing this up because

7239
04:37:48,639 --> 04:37:51,359
we have to decide whether to approve the

7240
04:37:51,359 --> 04:37:52,639
larger budget because under my

7241
04:37:52,639 --> 04:37:53,600
understanding this has already been

7242
04:37:53,600 --> 04:37:56,719
approved right at 5 million

7243
04:37:56,719 --> 04:37:58,959
>> or what I don't understand what has been

7244
04:37:58,959 --> 04:37:59,680
approved

7245
04:37:59,680 --> 04:38:02,240
>> the project has been approved and then

7246
04:38:02,240 --> 04:38:05,359
rough numbers knowing that it was very

7247
04:38:05,359 --> 04:38:08,320
early on in the stage rough numbers so

7248
04:38:08,320 --> 04:38:10,240
we're saying hey this is how far along

7249
04:38:10,240 --> 04:38:11,680
we are

7250
04:38:11,680 --> 04:38:13,119
>> this is what the numbers are looking

7251
04:38:13,119 --> 04:38:13,520
like

7252
04:38:13,520 --> 04:38:15,199
>> is materializing And then, you know,

7253
04:38:15,199 --> 04:38:17,600
we're hearing now that once they get the

7254
04:38:17,600 --> 04:38:20,400
fully finalized plans, then they'll go

7255
04:38:20,400 --> 04:38:23,359
through an actual round of bids. All

7256
04:38:23,359 --> 04:38:25,439
they did here is to get preliminary

7257
04:38:25,439 --> 04:38:25,760
numbers,

7258
04:38:25,760 --> 04:38:27,520
>> right? No, I understand that. So, my

7259
04:38:27,520 --> 04:38:29,279
question is, are we setting this up to

7260
04:38:29,279 --> 04:38:31,279
approve this new number or just the next

7261
04:38:31,279 --> 04:38:32,719
step? And then ultimately there'll be

7262
04:38:32,719 --> 04:38:34,400
approval on the final bids, what you're

7263
04:38:34,400 --> 04:38:36,320
saying. That's where we'll actually see

7264
04:38:36,320 --> 04:38:37,520
>> for the final cost.

7265
04:38:37,520 --> 04:38:38,480
>> That's where the development

7266
04:38:38,480 --> 04:38:40,639
>> really. Yes. Yeah. Approve this. We can

7267
04:38:40,639 --> 04:38:42,719
move forward with construction drawings.

7268
04:38:42,719 --> 04:38:42,959
Okay.

7269
04:38:42,959 --> 04:38:45,119
>> And then when the bids come in, then

7270
04:38:45,119 --> 04:38:45,920
you'll approve

7271
04:38:45,920 --> 04:38:47,680
>> almost every issue like so the the last

7272
04:38:47,680 --> 04:38:49,600
comment is just like we love firemen, we

7273
04:38:49,600 --> 04:38:50,799
love fire departments, we love

7274
04:38:50,799 --> 04:38:52,639
libraries, we love everything. But

7275
04:38:52,639 --> 04:38:55,760
there's like the swath of 65 year olds

7276
04:38:55,760 --> 04:38:57,039
that some of them came to. They're just

7277
04:38:57,039 --> 04:39:00,400
getting crushed. I know it's $50 or

7278
04:39:00,400 --> 04:39:02,719
whatever 150 grand a year. That includes

7279
04:39:02,719 --> 04:39:07,680
the um

7280
04:39:07,680 --> 04:39:10,719
the interest as well, right? So, like I

7281
04:39:10,719 --> 04:39:11,520
said, it's a rough

7282
04:39:11,520 --> 04:39:12,879
>> I know that sounds small though, but

7283
04:39:12,879 --> 04:39:14,400
it's not materializing small for

7284
04:39:14,400 --> 04:39:16,080
everyone. They're getting choked out of

7285
04:39:16,080 --> 04:39:17,199
their houses.

7286
04:39:17,199 --> 04:39:18,959
>> Um

7287
04:39:18,959 --> 04:39:20,639
>> I just want you to understand that like

7288
04:39:20,639 --> 04:39:22,160
this is already in our budget because

7289
04:39:22,160 --> 04:39:24,160
we've already been budgeting a million.

7290
04:39:24,160 --> 04:39:26,799
So, this has no impact on our taxpayers

7291
04:39:26,799 --> 04:39:28,719
like increase per se because we haven't

7292
04:39:28,719 --> 04:39:30,561
voted to increase taxes,

7293
04:39:30,561 --> 04:39:31,199
>> right?

7294
04:39:31,199 --> 04:39:33,359
>> So, we're not we're using sales tax for

7295
04:39:33,359 --> 04:39:33,520
this.

7296
04:39:33,520 --> 04:39:35,199
>> And at the end of the day, it takes my

7297
04:39:35,199 --> 04:39:37,280
raccoon traps and it destroys them. Next

7298
04:39:37,280 --> 04:39:39,600
year's raccoon budget is I'm just saying

7299
04:39:39,600 --> 04:39:41,200
like that's not that's not what we're

7300
04:39:41,200 --> 04:39:42,958
talking about is like

7301
04:39:42,958 --> 04:39:45,280
>> and honestly end of the day safety is

7302
04:39:45,280 --> 04:39:46,080
very important to our

7303
04:39:46,080 --> 04:39:48,638
>> res I know it's important.

7304
04:39:48,638 --> 04:39:51,520
>> So yes and I've told you this before

7305
04:39:51,520 --> 04:39:53,600
that originally we went into it thinking

7306
04:39:53,600 --> 04:39:55,760
that we would do a remodel but we

7307
04:39:55,760 --> 04:39:57,360
realized that we're out of compliance

7308
04:39:57,360 --> 04:40:00,160
for a fire station that has full-time

7309
04:40:00,160 --> 04:40:02,320
firefighters. Okay. And in order to be

7310
04:40:02,320 --> 04:40:03,920
compliant

7311
04:40:03,920 --> 04:40:05,600
and because we had the room, it was

7312
04:40:05,600 --> 04:40:08,160
better to just do an addition and make a

7313
04:40:08,160 --> 04:40:10,480
purpose-built fire

7314
04:40:10,480 --> 04:40:13,200
uh firehouse living quarters

7315
04:40:13,200 --> 04:40:15,360
>> as opposed to trying to retrofit and try

7316
04:40:15,360 --> 04:40:16,958
to do everything because if you look at

7317
04:40:16,958 --> 04:40:19,200
the costs, you know, we think we're

7318
04:40:19,200 --> 04:40:21,360
saving money on remodeling, which we are

7319
04:40:21,360 --> 04:40:23,520
for that community center,

7320
04:40:23,520 --> 04:40:26,240
>> but it's not that much more to build

7321
04:40:26,240 --> 04:40:29,360
something that is up to code, that is up

7322
04:40:29,360 --> 04:40:30,560
to OSHA standards,

7323
04:40:30,560 --> 04:40:32,718
>> that background for the fire people who

7324
04:40:32,718 --> 04:40:34,560
most of their calls are for ambulatory

7325
04:40:34,560 --> 04:40:37,680
calls for people that are 65 and older.

7326
04:40:37,680 --> 04:40:39,360
That's most of their calls.

7327
04:40:39,360 --> 04:40:40,958
>> And so that's the way I look at it is

7328
04:40:40,958 --> 04:40:43,040
that's the number one priority in the

7329
04:40:43,040 --> 04:40:45,200
city is the safety for our residents.

7330
04:40:45,200 --> 04:40:47,360
This is helping facilitate it.

7331
04:40:47,360 --> 04:40:48,560
>> Thank you for that background. It's

7332
04:40:48,560 --> 04:40:50,160
really helpful and I appreciate all the

7333
04:40:50,160 --> 04:40:51,680
work you did to make that happen. Last

7334
04:40:51,680 --> 04:40:54,958
thing is uh I personally given and and

7335
04:40:54,958 --> 04:40:57,760
the residents are now giving feedback.

7336
04:40:57,760 --> 04:40:59,440
Uh they are not asking for this. They're

7337
04:40:59,440 --> 04:41:01,760
not for this, but I see the background.

7338
04:41:01,760 --> 04:41:03,840
Um, I personally would take the funds

7339
04:41:03,840 --> 04:41:06,878
and just do fire mitigation.

7340
04:41:06,878 --> 04:41:08,878
I don't I don't but but this has been

7341
04:41:08,878 --> 04:41:10,400
decided before me. So, I'll just try to

7342
04:41:10,400 --> 04:41:12,000
be as helpful as I can to keep the costs

7343
04:41:12,000 --> 04:41:14,240
low. So, yeah, that's all. Thank you.

7344
04:41:14,240 --> 04:41:16,560
>> Great. Okay. So, um did you have

7345
04:41:16,560 --> 04:41:18,240
anything else? No, Brent didn't said he

7346
04:41:18,240 --> 04:41:18,638
didn't have

7347
04:41:18,638 --> 04:41:21,200
>> Oh, sorry. Last thing. I apologize. I

7348
04:41:21,200 --> 04:41:25,840
apologize, mayor. The the um the going

7349
04:41:25,840 --> 04:41:28,878
into extra year budgets. This was

7350
04:41:28,878 --> 04:41:31,280
something I'm sorry that was brought up.

7351
04:41:31,280 --> 04:41:33,120
>> How what what how do we go and this

7352
04:41:33,120 --> 04:41:34,480
might be a legal question. How do we go

7353
04:41:34,480 --> 04:41:36,638
about that? For example, I'll be on the

7354
04:41:36,638 --> 04:41:38,480
city council for this term.

7355
04:41:38,480 --> 04:41:41,120
>> Um and hopefully forever if if I do a

7356
04:41:41,120 --> 04:41:44,798
good job, but um that's a joke. But uh

7357
04:41:44,798 --> 04:41:47,440
can I make decisions that lock in budget

7358
04:41:47,440 --> 04:41:49,920
years for future city councils for like

7359
04:41:49,920 --> 04:41:51,360
years and years and years and years?

7360
04:41:51,360 --> 04:41:53,520
>> Not for years and years and years, but

7361
04:41:53,520 --> 04:41:55,840
bonding is Yeah. Once you lock into a

7362
04:41:55,840 --> 04:41:58,798
bond, you're into it for 20 years for 20

7363
04:41:58,798 --> 04:41:59,840
years.

7364
04:41:59,840 --> 04:42:00,560
>> But as far as

7365
04:42:00,560 --> 04:42:04,708
>> I'm talking about the two million

7366
04:42:04,718 --> 04:42:06,878
years is to break it up so that there it

7367
04:42:06,878 --> 04:42:09,440
could potentially free up money for

7368
04:42:09,440 --> 04:42:11,840
other projects because this project is

7369
04:42:11,840 --> 04:42:14,080
going is spanning over several

7370
04:42:14,080 --> 04:42:14,400
>> years

7371
04:42:14,400 --> 04:42:15,680
>> fiscal years. Right. Right.

7372
04:42:15,680 --> 04:42:17,840
>> That we have the option to do that. We

7373
04:42:17,840 --> 04:42:20,320
can't do it if if this project happened

7374
04:42:20,320 --> 04:42:22,798
within one fiscal year. I don't see how

7375
04:42:22,798 --> 04:42:25,920
we could justify spreading it out to two

7376
04:42:25,920 --> 04:42:28,080
or three fiscal years, but because this

7377
04:42:28,080 --> 04:42:30,160
project the way it started with the

7378
04:42:30,160 --> 04:42:32,958
design phase, that's one part and then

7379
04:42:32,958 --> 04:42:35,680
>> but yes, you can do that and that's not

7380
04:42:35,680 --> 04:42:36,878
>> all right. The background's helpful.

7381
04:42:36,878 --> 04:42:37,360
Thank you all.

7382
04:42:37,360 --> 04:42:39,600
>> Okay, but Andrew, when we like decide to

7383
04:42:39,600 --> 04:42:41,760
put in a park, we're forever paying for

7384
04:42:41,760 --> 04:42:43,840
the water or maintenance of it. So, we

7385
04:42:43,840 --> 04:42:46,160
make lots of decisions that will go on

7386
04:42:46,160 --> 04:42:48,560
forever like we've talked about. So,

7387
04:42:48,560 --> 04:42:52,000
yes, we encumber the future. I know the

7388
04:42:52,000 --> 04:42:54,320
only reason I bring it up is because we

7389
04:42:54,320 --> 04:42:57,040
create this budget and we'll do it every

7390
04:42:57,040 --> 04:43:00,400
year, but we should go into it eyes wide

7391
04:43:00,400 --> 04:43:02,000
open knowing that most of it's already

7392
04:43:02,000 --> 04:43:03,760
gotten chunked out from last year's

7393
04:43:03,760 --> 04:43:04,480
thing,

7394
04:43:04,480 --> 04:43:06,798
>> right? And most of it is just for basics

7395
04:43:06,798 --> 04:43:08,000
like

7396
04:43:08,000 --> 04:43:10,480
>> public safety.

7397
04:43:10,480 --> 04:43:12,320
>> Okay, let's move on. Just quickly, I

7398
04:43:12,320 --> 04:43:14,718
would like to spread it out and then use

7399
04:43:14,718 --> 04:43:19,360
some of our um emergency fund to to bond

7400
04:43:19,360 --> 04:43:22,480
less go that model.

7401
04:43:22,480 --> 04:43:24,480
>> The contingency fund, the fund balance.

7402
04:43:24,480 --> 04:43:25,520
>> Yeah, the fund balance.

7403
04:43:25,520 --> 04:43:25,840
>> Yeah.

7404
04:43:25,840 --> 04:43:27,680
>> So, do we have less of a bond you're

7405
04:43:27,680 --> 04:43:28,000
saying?

7406
04:43:28,000 --> 04:43:30,240
>> Right. Right. I'd rather I mean and and

7407
04:43:30,240 --> 04:43:32,560
I I didn't realize that this would be an

7408
04:43:32,560 --> 04:43:34,480
impact on the taxpayers because if it's

7409
04:43:34,480 --> 04:43:36,718
on our sales tax, is it our sales tax

7410
04:43:36,718 --> 04:43:40,160
coming in? So why are they paying more

7411
04:43:40,160 --> 04:43:42,798
taxes?

7412
04:43:42,798 --> 04:43:45,040
>> Well, no, it all comes from the same

7413
04:43:45,040 --> 04:43:47,200
person. Like at the end of the day, it

7414
04:43:47,200 --> 04:43:48,798
all comes from Go ahead.

7415
04:43:48,798 --> 04:43:50,400
>> I think the mayor was just trying to

7416
04:43:50,400 --> 04:43:52,240
illustrate the impact, which is

7417
04:43:52,240 --> 04:43:56,560
basically a 44 oz swig drink per month.

7418
04:43:56,560 --> 04:43:58,000
>> Fair. Fair.

7419
04:43:58,000 --> 04:44:01,360
>> You loved that joke. Too much. Too much.

7420
04:44:01,360 --> 04:44:02,718
>> I think that's what she's trying to

7421
04:44:02,718 --> 04:44:04,480
illustrate. Not that it was going to be

7422
04:44:04,480 --> 04:44:06,638
that kind of a tax increase to them

7423
04:44:06,638 --> 04:44:08,560
>> because I've been saying this isn't

7424
04:44:08,560 --> 04:44:09,840
increasing your taxes.

7425
04:44:09,840 --> 04:44:10,320
>> Right.

7426
04:44:10,320 --> 04:44:11,840
Okay. I just want to make sure

7427
04:44:11,840 --> 04:44:14,638
that when I'm firmly telling people that

7428
04:44:14,638 --> 04:44:14,958
Yeah.

7429
04:44:14,958 --> 04:44:17,360
>> that it is not increasing their taxes.

7430
04:44:17,360 --> 04:44:19,440
>> Yeah. It was just a way to look at

7431
04:44:19,440 --> 04:44:21,200
>> but it's not allowing them to ever go

7432
04:44:21,200 --> 04:44:23,200
lower because we're locking in, we're

7433
04:44:23,200 --> 04:44:24,718
bonding, we're going to need other

7434
04:44:24,718 --> 04:44:26,878
stuff. Say there's an emergency.

7435
04:44:26,878 --> 04:44:29,360
>> What you're doing is the sales tax it

7436
04:44:29,360 --> 04:44:31,680
will be taking away $150,000. So right

7437
04:44:31,680 --> 04:44:32,958
now, let's say we get a million dollars

7438
04:44:32,958 --> 04:44:34,798
in sales tax revenue.

7439
04:44:34,798 --> 04:44:36,638
>> In the future, we will only have

7440
04:44:36,638 --> 04:44:37,920
$850,000.

7441
04:44:37,920 --> 04:44:40,160
>> I'm really confident in prioritizing

7442
04:44:40,160 --> 04:44:42,080
public safety. Like

7443
04:44:42,080 --> 04:44:44,560
>> and sales tax revenue has been going up

7444
04:44:44,560 --> 04:44:45,680
8% every year.

7445
04:44:45,680 --> 04:44:48,240
>> Exactly. As Mayor Frost told us, all

7446
04:44:48,240 --> 04:44:50,798
this inhome ordering is going to save us

7447
04:44:50,798 --> 04:44:51,200
all.

7448
04:44:51,200 --> 04:44:52,798
>> You're right. I I'm on the board with

7449
04:44:52,798 --> 04:44:55,120
the safety as well. Can I tell you one

7450
04:44:55,120 --> 04:44:56,560
metaphor that I have to live with? In

7451
04:44:56,560 --> 04:44:58,160
fact, I fly to DC to do it tomorrow.

7452
04:44:58,160 --> 04:45:00,400
It's quick and it's important

7453
04:45:00,400 --> 04:45:02,480
>> because we try to keep women safe and

7454
04:45:02,480 --> 04:45:03,920
children every day. That's where I'm

7455
04:45:03,920 --> 04:45:06,160
going to fight Amazon tomorrow, okay,

7456
04:45:06,160 --> 04:45:08,638
for for the dirty dolls that they sell.

7457
04:45:08,638 --> 04:45:13,280
So, we try to help people post problems,

7458
04:45:13,280 --> 04:45:16,240
okay? And we find it is a hundred 50 to

7459
04:45:16,240 --> 04:45:18,160
100 times more expensive, more tedious,

7460
04:45:18,160 --> 04:45:20,798
more hard than just doing prevention.

7461
04:45:20,798 --> 04:45:22,480
Okay? That's the same with fires and

7462
04:45:22,480 --> 04:45:25,040
safeties. And it's way less expensive.

7463
04:45:25,040 --> 04:45:27,600
It's way better to do. And

7464
04:45:27,600 --> 04:45:28,638
>> when you're talking about fire

7465
04:45:28,638 --> 04:45:31,680
prevention, but most of their calls, 95

7466
04:45:31,680 --> 04:45:33,920
I would say 90 to 95% of their calls are

7467
04:45:33,920 --> 04:45:34,878
ambulatory,

7468
04:45:34,878 --> 04:45:35,600
>> right? So

7469
04:45:35,600 --> 04:45:36,958
>> how are you going to spend money to

7470
04:45:36,958 --> 04:45:38,638
prevent ambulatory calls?

7471
04:45:38,638 --> 04:45:40,000
>> Well, I gave you my whole presentation,

7472
04:45:40,000 --> 04:45:40,798
but I got

7473
04:45:40,798 --> 04:45:43,360
>> Andrew, let me fill in one little gap.

7474
04:45:43,360 --> 04:45:44,160
>> Yes. Thank you.

7475
04:45:44,160 --> 04:45:46,958
>> This is for retention and retaining the

7476
04:45:46,958 --> 04:45:49,120
best staff that we can like

7477
04:45:49,120 --> 04:45:51,200
>> to protect. Yes. To protect our

7478
04:45:51,200 --> 04:45:53,600
residents. And so it's not about we need

7479
04:45:53,600 --> 04:45:56,080
to do fire pretent prevention. That's

7480
04:45:56,080 --> 04:45:58,400
like in a completely separate

7481
04:45:58,400 --> 04:46:00,560
conversation. This has nothing to do or

7482
04:46:00,560 --> 04:46:04,480
is not related to keeping our

7483
04:46:04,480 --> 04:46:07,920
firefighters in a Did you say it's not

7484
04:46:07,920 --> 04:46:09,440
compliant living condition?

7485
04:46:09,440 --> 04:46:11,120
>> Right. The only reason it's related is

7486
04:46:11,120 --> 04:46:12,798
because um at the end of the day, we

7487
04:46:12,798 --> 04:46:14,798
want to help them. We want to make them

7488
04:46:14,798 --> 04:46:17,120
safe and there's multiple ways to do it.

7489
04:46:17,120 --> 04:46:19,440
So like I get we want to do the crisis.

7490
04:46:19,440 --> 04:46:21,040
This is crisis control. We're paying for

7491
04:46:21,040 --> 04:46:23,280
crisis control right now. a building

7492
04:46:23,280 --> 04:46:25,920
that has a lot of very great experts to

7493
04:46:25,920 --> 04:46:28,400
deal with crisis control. We need a

7494
04:46:28,400 --> 04:46:30,080
little bit of funding and focus on the

7495
04:46:30,080 --> 04:46:32,320
prevention side as well. And

7496
04:46:32,320 --> 04:46:33,760
>> okay, but we're not having that in the

7497
04:46:33,760 --> 04:46:35,280
budget discussion instead of a fire

7498
04:46:35,280 --> 04:46:36,000
station discussion.

7499
04:46:36,000 --> 04:46:37,360
>> I know, but the reason it's related

7500
04:46:37,360 --> 04:46:39,440
because this money takes away from ever

7501
04:46:39,440 --> 04:46:40,718
being able to do that type of thing.

7502
04:46:40,718 --> 04:46:41,920
That's the only reason why it's related.

7503
04:46:41,920 --> 04:46:44,878
>> Okay. So, let's Okay, you're done. Yep.

7504
04:46:44,878 --> 04:46:46,480
>> Sarah, I think you're the only one that

7505
04:46:46,480 --> 04:46:48,320
hasn't commented. just a comment like

7506
04:46:48,320 --> 04:46:51,200
I'm just function over fashion and

7507
04:46:51,200 --> 04:46:53,840
whatever is going to be longest lasting

7508
04:46:53,840 --> 04:46:55,680
so I don't have to replace it is kind of

7509
04:46:55,680 --> 04:46:58,400
where I stand and oh just one question

7510
04:46:58,400 --> 04:46:59,760
on the floor you said the cement

7511
04:46:59,760 --> 04:47:01,440
flooring you can just grind that down

7512
04:47:01,440 --> 04:47:04,000
and then fill in the cracks and then it

7513
04:47:04,000 --> 04:47:06,400
lasts longer than epoxy

7514
04:47:06,400 --> 04:47:08,160
>> epoxy is just an over coating that goes

7515
04:47:08,160 --> 04:47:08,480
over

7516
04:47:08,480 --> 04:47:10,480
>> the over coat okay

7517
04:47:10,480 --> 04:47:12,638
>> so the fixes we're doing would address

7518
04:47:12,638 --> 04:47:13,840
immediately without putting in an

7519
04:47:13,840 --> 04:47:16,480
overall encompassing new coat of epoxy

7520
04:47:16,480 --> 04:47:18,080
over the for

7521
04:47:18,080 --> 04:47:20,240
>> and epoxy is great. Don't get me wrong.

7522
04:47:20,240 --> 04:47:22,878
It It's beautiful. I'd love to do it in

7523
04:47:22,878 --> 04:47:24,958
my garage, too. But it becomes a

7524
04:47:24,958 --> 04:47:26,400
maintenance issue. It

7525
04:47:26,400 --> 04:47:29,280
>> And it's expensive. And it's expens.

7526
04:47:29,280 --> 04:47:37,590
>> Okay. Chief, did you have a comment?

7527
04:47:37,600 --> 04:47:39,920
» You're not It's not as slick.

7528
04:47:39,920 --> 04:47:40,560
>> Yeah.

7529
04:47:40,560 --> 04:47:42,560
>> Right. Because they throw down the

7530
04:47:42,560 --> 04:47:43,280
whatever

7531
04:47:43,280 --> 04:47:45,360
>> chips or whatever.

7532
04:47:45,360 --> 04:47:48,798
Um, that's the advantage of epoxy, but

7533
04:47:48,798 --> 04:47:50,560
the epoxy starts to come up, especially

7534
04:47:50,560 --> 04:47:52,878
running these trucks over it. So, I

7535
04:47:52,878 --> 04:47:55,840
mean, the the floor is 18 years old in

7536
04:47:55,840 --> 04:47:57,760
Highland, and it looks about the same as

7537
04:47:57,760 --> 04:48:00,000
it did five years into that station's

7538
04:48:00,000 --> 04:48:02,160
life, and it it just starts to chip. It

7539
04:48:02,160 --> 04:48:03,680
start it gets anything underneath it,

7540
04:48:03,680 --> 04:48:06,560
and it starts it looks pretty rough.

7541
04:48:06,560 --> 04:48:09,360
>> Thank you for that information. Um, are

7542
04:48:09,360 --> 04:48:10,878
we going to go through each of these?

7543
04:48:10,878 --> 04:48:13,040
>> Let's go through these items. Can we go

7544
04:48:13,040 --> 04:48:16,560
back to the spreadsheet with Okay. As

7545
04:48:16,560 --> 04:48:19,760
far as the roof systems,

7546
04:48:19,760 --> 04:48:21,840
um, can you go do you have drawings of

7547
04:48:21,840 --> 04:48:23,680
what those three would look like? I

7548
04:48:23,680 --> 04:48:24,400
believe that

7549
04:48:24,400 --> 04:48:25,360
>> all three.

7550
04:48:25,360 --> 04:48:27,440
>> Um, and then I think let's get direction

7551
04:48:27,440 --> 04:48:30,480
from council what you guys are. So, this

7552
04:48:30,480 --> 04:48:32,718
is um I think this is the one that they

7553
04:48:32,718 --> 04:48:34,320
were suggesting, right? That would saves

7554
04:48:34,320 --> 04:48:36,080
the $168,000.

7555
04:48:36,080 --> 04:48:41,600
Is that correct? So this is a new roof, over the entire station, but

7556
04:48:41,600 --> 04:48:43,600
primarily asphalt with the blue areas

7557
04:48:43,600 --> 04:48:45,360
being just standing seam, the elevated

7558
04:48:45,360 --> 04:48:46,718
metal

7559
04:48:46,718 --> 04:48:48,638
>> previously, which is contained in the

7560
04:48:48,638 --> 04:48:52,400
5.2 was it's all standing seam, all

7561
04:48:52,400 --> 04:48:54,240
metal, which is a higher resiliency

7562
04:48:54,240 --> 04:48:56,878
roof. There's more noise and stuff to it

7563
04:48:56,878 --> 04:48:59,200
like that, but it's longer lasting,

7564
04:48:59,200 --> 04:49:00,000
higher quality.

7565
04:49:00,000 --> 04:49:02,160
>> Not quite all of it. If you look at the

7566
04:49:02,160 --> 04:49:05,200
image to the left, there's a lighter

7567
04:49:05,200 --> 04:49:07,520
yellow. That's a flat roof area that

7568
04:49:07,520 --> 04:49:09,840
actually has a single ply roof. That's

7569
04:49:09,840 --> 04:49:12,718
the w mechanical well where the rooftop

7570
04:49:12,718 --> 04:49:13,600
units are.

7571
04:49:13,600 --> 04:49:16,080
>> What's the life of a asphalt roof versus

7572
04:49:16,080 --> 04:49:17,760
a standing seam?

7573
04:49:17,760 --> 04:49:19,680
>> In Utah alpine, you're probably anywhere

7574
04:49:19,680 --> 04:49:21,840
from 30 to 50 years

7575
04:49:21,840 --> 04:49:24,160
>> or standing seam.

7576
04:49:24,160 --> 04:49:25,920
>> And then asphalt, sorry,

7577
04:49:25,920 --> 04:49:28,400
>> you can buy asphalt with warranties from

7578
04:49:28,400 --> 04:49:32,560
20 to 40 years.

7579
04:49:32,560 --> 04:49:34,000
There's more wear and tear with the

7580
04:49:34,000 --> 04:49:34,958
asphalt roof.

7581
04:49:34,958 --> 04:49:37,040
>> Other than the lifespan, is there any

7582
04:49:37,040 --> 04:49:38,878
advantage or disadvantage to the metal

7583
04:49:38,878 --> 04:49:40,240
roof?

7584
04:49:40,240 --> 04:49:42,718
>> I like aesthetics. So, I just was had my

7585
04:49:42,718 --> 04:49:44,480
heart set on that metal roof.

7586
04:49:44,480 --> 04:49:46,080
>> No, I thought the metal roof looked

7587
04:49:46,080 --> 04:49:48,160
better, but I the one thing that I did

7588
04:49:48,160 --> 04:49:50,560
consider is the noise also of a metal

7589
04:49:50,560 --> 04:49:52,638
roof as opposed to an asphalt roof. A

7590
04:49:52,638 --> 04:49:54,320
metal roof can be really loud in a

7591
04:49:54,320 --> 04:49:56,638
rainstorm and especially hail more. You

7592
04:49:56,638 --> 04:49:58,400
know, think about it if when you have

7593
04:49:58,400 --> 04:49:59,280
hail hitting your

7594
04:49:59,280 --> 04:50:02,160
>> I wish that was a problem. Yeah,

7595
04:50:02,160 --> 04:50:05,200
>> it's not. Now,

7596
04:50:05,200 --> 04:50:08,160
>> the only other u drawback with metal

7597
04:50:08,160 --> 04:50:13,040
roof is snow retainage. Uh we'll put

7598
04:50:13,040 --> 04:50:15,360
snow fences and snow cleat on the roof

7599
04:50:15,360 --> 04:50:17,520
that will keep the snow on the roof

7600
04:50:17,520 --> 04:50:20,000
rather than because it warms and then it

7601
04:50:20,000 --> 04:50:22,798
slides off in an avalanche fashion.

7602
04:50:22,798 --> 04:50:24,958
>> So, that's a disadvantage. a little bit

7603
04:50:24,958 --> 04:50:28,718
of safety issue, but there's ways to to

7604
04:50:28,718 --> 04:50:31,520
combat it with snow fences and and

7605
04:50:31,520 --> 04:50:32,320
cleat.

7606
04:50:32,320 --> 04:50:33,920
>> Mayor, are you looking for on that list

7607
04:50:33,920 --> 04:50:35,360
which ones we want to remove?

7608
04:50:35,360 --> 04:50:37,280
>> Yes. So, the very first one is the type

7609
04:50:37,280 --> 04:50:40,638
of roof. This is option one. No, that is

7610
04:50:40,638 --> 04:50:43,040
the hybrid, right? It's 1B that we just

7611
04:50:43,040 --> 04:50:43,760
saw.

7612
04:50:43,760 --> 04:50:45,680
>> What what's been documented is one

7613
04:50:45,680 --> 04:50:47,520
what's been illustrated is 1B. What's

7614
04:50:47,520 --> 04:50:49,120
captured in the cost is not here. It's

7615
04:50:49,120 --> 04:50:50,160
all standing seam,

7616
04:50:50,160 --> 04:50:53,040
>> right? Yeah. So, I was looking at the

7617
04:50:53,040 --> 04:50:55,120
difference between the 165 and the 198

7618
04:50:55,120 --> 04:50:58,958
and thinking it's only 3 uh $4,000 more

7619
04:50:58,958 --> 04:51:00,878
for for a standing seam, but you don't

7620
04:51:00,878 --> 04:51:03,040
even have standing seam as an option.

7621
04:51:03,040 --> 04:51:05,600
>> No, a standing seam. No savings at all

7622
04:51:05,600 --> 04:51:07,200
if you take those numbers out. It's just

7623
04:51:07,200 --> 04:51:08,958
>> the 5.2.

7624
04:51:08,958 --> 04:51:11,120
>> It's it's already built in the cost.

7625
04:51:11,120 --> 04:51:13,440
>> The basis of the original cost.

7626
04:51:13,440 --> 04:51:14,560
>> So, the numbers that you're seeing now

7627
04:51:14,560 --> 04:51:16,240
are taking away from the 5.2.

7628
04:51:16,240 --> 04:51:18,160
>> So, okay. Whatever the standing seam

7629
04:51:18,160 --> 04:51:19,840
was, this is this much less.

7630
04:51:19,840 --> 04:51:22,798
>> Yes. So the three other options

7631
04:51:22,798 --> 04:51:25,680
>> are a deduct of somewhere between

7632
04:51:25,680 --> 04:51:28,400
166,000 and 198,000.

7633
04:51:28,400 --> 04:51:29,040
>> Right. Right.

7634
04:51:29,040 --> 04:51:32,958
>> Over having fullon standing seam.

7635
04:51:32,958 --> 04:51:33,440
>> None of

7636
04:51:33,440 --> 04:51:35,040
>> Yeah. For aesthetics that does seem very

7637
04:51:35,040 --> 04:51:37,440
pricey. I agree. But

7638
04:51:37,440 --> 04:51:39,600
>> it was going to look really nice.

7639
04:51:39,600 --> 04:51:41,840
>> So all of these things can be removed

7640
04:51:41,840 --> 04:51:44,878
and it still functions properly.

7641
04:51:44,878 --> 04:51:47,440
>> Well, I'm on for just removing them. And

7642
04:51:47,440 --> 04:51:48,958
if you ever want to get them later, you

7643
04:51:48,958 --> 04:51:51,200
can get them later. and update stuff if

7644
04:51:51,200 --> 04:51:53,040
you've got the money.

7645
04:51:53,040 --> 04:51:53,520
>> One by one.

7646
04:51:53,520 --> 04:51:55,120
>> Oh, sorry. Go.

7647
04:51:55,120 --> 04:51:57,920
>> Okay. So, um, do you have the drawings

7648
04:51:57,920 --> 04:52:02,638
for the other 1A and 1 C?

7649
04:52:02,638 --> 04:52:03,040
>> I

7650
04:52:03,040 --> 04:52:05,440
>> Well, I guess asphalt shingle that's all

7651
04:52:05,440 --> 04:52:07,760
asphalt and no standing seam, but we

7652
04:52:07,760 --> 04:52:10,320
thought it needed the element.

7653
04:52:10,320 --> 04:52:14,160
>> Is the amount of st standing. So, um I

7654
04:52:14,160 --> 04:52:16,160
think we, you know, the committee had

7655
04:52:16,160 --> 04:52:18,878
agreed on the 165, but I really wanted

7656
04:52:18,878 --> 04:52:21,360
input from council and what was

7657
04:52:21,360 --> 04:52:23,440
important to you, but that is the price

7658
04:52:23,440 --> 04:52:27,200
savings that's outlined. Um are you guys

7659
04:52:27,200 --> 04:52:31,440
okay with the 165? Okay. Now, let's go

7660
04:52:31,440 --> 04:52:35,120
to the only the added um glazing in the

7661
04:52:35,120 --> 04:52:37,040
day room.

7662
04:52:37,040 --> 04:52:38,638
>> Wait, really? Sorry. Really quick, just

7663
04:52:38,638 --> 04:52:40,638
so I understand that, mayor. Um, you're

7664
04:52:40,638 --> 04:52:43,440
saying the 165 that is our savings?

7665
04:52:43,440 --> 04:52:44,000
>> Yes.

7666
04:52:44,000 --> 04:52:47,200
>> Okay. Versus doing option 1 A which we

7667
04:52:47,200 --> 04:52:48,480
would save more

7668
04:52:48,480 --> 04:52:49,440
>> 198.

7669
04:52:49,440 --> 04:52:51,440
>> So option A I'll just tell you. So

7670
04:52:51,440 --> 04:52:54,000
that's leaving the existing

7671
04:52:54,000 --> 04:52:54,718
A.

7672
04:52:54,718 --> 04:52:56,080
>> We don't want to do it because they

7673
04:52:56,080 --> 04:52:57,680
basically reached their life, right,

7674
04:52:57,680 --> 04:52:59,520
Rich? Is that Am I right on that?

7675
04:52:59,520 --> 04:53:01,440
>> No, no, it's opposite.

7676
04:53:01,440 --> 04:53:04,320
>> The biggest savings puts asphalt on

7677
04:53:04,320 --> 04:53:07,440
everything. No standing seam at all. The

7678
04:53:07,440 --> 04:53:09,440
one that we picked puts it at the day

7679
04:53:09,440 --> 04:53:14,320
room and at the entry and the

7680
04:53:14,320 --> 04:53:17,600
>> the other one leaves standing seam on

7681
04:53:17,600 --> 04:53:19,760
the apparatus bay.

7682
04:53:19,760 --> 04:53:21,120
>> Okay. Yeah.

7683
04:53:21,120 --> 04:53:22,718
>> Would it be helpful if we had Blake

7684
04:53:22,718 --> 04:53:24,560
bring up kind of the the document where

7685
04:53:24,560 --> 04:53:26,480
we can actually change the numbers so

7686
04:53:26,480 --> 04:53:28,958
you can see the 5.2 And as we accept

7687
04:53:28,958 --> 04:53:31,760
those items, you can see go down

7688
04:53:31,760 --> 04:53:33,120
>> because this this is a little more

7689
04:53:33,120 --> 04:53:34,560
confusing where we've already kind of

7690
04:53:34,560 --> 04:53:35,920
accepted some of the items and some are

7691
04:53:35,920 --> 04:53:37,840
undecided and some are rejected.

7692
04:53:37,840 --> 04:53:39,600
>> And and Carla, when something is

7693
04:53:39,600 --> 04:53:41,360
decided, yeah, or no, actually say the

7694
04:53:41,360 --> 04:53:43,440
yes or no so Deian can put it on.

7695
04:53:43,440 --> 04:53:44,958
>> Okay. So, we'll go through each item.

7696
04:53:44,958 --> 04:53:45,280
Okay.

7697
04:53:45,280 --> 04:53:46,638
>> You don't have to vote on it, but if you

7698
04:53:46,638 --> 04:53:47,920
say Yep. That's a yes.

7699
04:53:47,920 --> 04:53:52,718
>> Okay. So um we will we are um quick

7700
04:53:52,718 --> 04:53:54,160
correct me if I'm wrong but we are

7701
04:53:54,160 --> 04:53:57,680
accepting option 1B for savings of about

7702
04:53:57,680 --> 04:53:59,200
what 16

7703
04:53:59,200 --> 04:54:10,390
>> 165 on the um roof options

7704
04:54:10,400 --> 04:54:11,760
» and any of these you could add them

7705
04:54:11,760 --> 04:54:13,520
later if you wanted to if like you're

7706
04:54:13,520 --> 04:54:15,200
like we want to do it and we got a bunch

7707
04:54:15,200 --> 04:54:16,718
of cash sitting around you could always

7708
04:54:16,718 --> 04:54:18,160
add them. I don't

7709
04:54:18,160 --> 04:54:20,320
>> I don't know. Right now, we're saying

7710
04:54:20,320 --> 04:54:20,958
no.

7711
04:54:20,958 --> 04:54:22,638
>> No, I know. I'm I'm saying you can

7712
04:54:22,638 --> 04:54:24,320
always do it later. You can say no to

7713
04:54:24,320 --> 04:54:25,520
all of it and just

7714
04:54:25,520 --> 04:54:27,680
>> We could do it in 40 years.

7715
04:54:27,680 --> 04:54:30,000
>> Well, you can always epoxy the floor

7716
04:54:30,000 --> 04:54:32,718
later. You don't have to do it all now.

7717
04:54:32,718 --> 04:54:34,400
>> It's not all that simple. There are some

7718
04:54:34,400 --> 04:54:36,240
that would there would be a tremendous

7719
04:54:36,240 --> 04:54:37,920
amount of effort to take back so you

7720
04:54:37,920 --> 04:54:39,760
could put the appropriate materials and

7721
04:54:39,760 --> 04:54:41,680
steps into to get

7722
04:54:41,680 --> 04:54:42,958
>> to your point. if they want there are

7723
04:54:42,958 --> 04:54:45,120
some things they could some

7724
04:54:45,120 --> 04:54:47,360
>> but as far as like glazing things like

7725
04:54:47,360 --> 04:54:50,000
that roofing is not that means you're

7726
04:54:50,000 --> 04:54:51,920
losing the roofing that you had you're

7727
04:54:51,920 --> 04:54:53,760
going to spend money

7728
04:54:53,760 --> 04:54:56,638
>> okay perfect let's go back up

7729
04:54:56,638 --> 04:55:00,638
>> let's go up so we're accepting the 16594

7730
04:55:00,638 --> 04:55:03,120
>> so you can see down below just keep your

7731
04:55:03,120 --> 04:55:05,360
eyes on the these lower two numbers so

7732
04:55:05,360 --> 04:55:09,200
we've accepted 1B

7733
04:55:09,200 --> 04:55:12,718
>> and then we'll reject these two

7734
04:55:12,718 --> 04:55:13,120
Good.

7735
04:55:13,120 --> 04:55:14,958
>> Now you can see that we're moving in the

7736
04:55:14,958 --> 04:55:16,000
right direction there.

7737
04:55:16,000 --> 04:55:17,040
>> Okay.

7738
04:55:17,040 --> 04:55:17,680
>> So you can

7739
04:55:17,680 --> 04:55:18,080
>> Okay.

7740
04:55:18,080 --> 04:55:19,840
>> No, keep going. You can drive.

7741
04:55:19,840 --> 04:55:20,560
>> Okay.

7742
04:55:20,560 --> 04:55:21,920
>> We'll let you drive. I'm not going to

7743
04:55:21,920 --> 04:55:24,080
drive your computer.

7744
04:55:24,080 --> 04:55:29,360
>> All right. So the next one is um the

7745
04:55:29,360 --> 04:55:31,600
Let me see. Added glazing on the

7746
04:55:31,600 --> 04:55:34,320
community center, not a VE. We've added

7747
04:55:34,320 --> 04:55:36,878
that. Uh do we want to add that? And

7748
04:55:36,878 --> 04:55:39,920
that's the additional glazing on the end

7749
04:55:39,920 --> 04:55:42,400
of the existing building.

7750
04:55:42,400 --> 04:55:44,080
>> Bigger windows.

7751
04:55:44,080 --> 04:55:46,160
>> Yes, it's a bank of windows.

7752
04:55:46,160 --> 04:55:48,638
>> You looked at me

7753
04:55:48,638 --> 04:55:49,040
glazing.

7754
04:55:49,040 --> 04:55:50,320
>> You know, I love big windows. Don't

7755
04:55:50,320 --> 04:55:51,920
tempt me.

7756
04:55:51,920 --> 04:55:56,638
>> I didn't know what glazing was. So the Y on this is it's the south facing

7757
04:55:56,638 --> 04:55:58,160
side of the building and it will

7758
04:55:58,160 --> 04:56:01,120
overlook the brand new sculpture park

7759
04:56:01,120 --> 04:56:04,718
that's been you know built for us with

7760
04:56:04,718 --> 04:56:07,840
all the landscaping. So it kind of feels

7761
04:56:07,840 --> 04:56:10,000
like if we don't have windows that we

7762
04:56:10,000 --> 04:56:12,718
can see it. There's two there's the

7763
04:56:12,718 --> 04:56:15,040
existing windows that's a missed you

7764
04:56:15,040 --> 04:56:17,120
know opportunity. I just feel like it's

7765
04:56:17,120 --> 04:56:19,280
such a big area that the added windows

7766
04:56:19,280 --> 04:56:22,000
and the natural daylight that just, you

7767
04:56:22,000 --> 04:56:24,798
know, I don't want to be in a dark room.

7768
04:56:24,798 --> 04:56:27,760
Um, to me it just kind of adds that

7769
04:56:27,760 --> 04:56:30,240
value and yeah, it brings warmth to the

7770
04:56:30,240 --> 04:56:33,200
room. What's the current size of those

7771
04:56:33,200 --> 04:56:35,040
windows? Do you know approximately?

7772
04:56:35,040 --> 04:56:36,958
>> I have to measure them as I think they

7773
04:56:36,958 --> 04:56:40,240
were uh 30 in by 5t tall.

7774
04:56:40,240 --> 04:56:43,200
>> Yeah. And these become

7775
04:56:43,200 --> 04:56:46,958
they twice that size twice.

7776
04:56:46,958 --> 04:56:48,320
>> It's basically that whole

7777
04:56:48,320 --> 04:56:50,878
>> it's the $50,000 isn't the cost for the

7778
04:56:50,878 --> 04:56:52,878
glazing. It's the cost of the structural

7779
04:56:52,878 --> 04:56:54,080
upgrades because we're taking so much

7780
04:56:54,080 --> 04:56:55,200
structural integrity out of that

7781
04:56:55,200 --> 04:56:56,320
existing wall

7782
04:56:56,320 --> 04:56:58,000
>> to allow for the opening.

7783
04:56:58,000 --> 04:56:58,718
>> Yeah.

7784
04:56:58,718 --> 04:57:00,718
We have to retrofit structural

7785
04:57:00,718 --> 04:57:02,638
systems to allow those openings to be

7786
04:57:02,638 --> 04:57:03,600
that big.

7787
04:57:03,600 --> 04:57:06,638
>> You couldn't just add more windows next

7788
04:57:06,638 --> 04:57:09,280
to it. I said that's what I said. just

7789
04:57:09,280 --> 04:57:11,840
use on paper.

7790
04:57:11,840 --> 04:57:14,000
There's a lot of stuff on the inside.

7791
04:57:14,000 --> 04:57:16,080
>> Yeah,

7792
04:57:16,080 --> 04:57:17,120
I think you can do that.

7793
04:57:17,120 --> 04:57:18,240
>> This was explained to Councilwoman

7794
04:57:18,240 --> 04:57:20,878
Shman, but in a as a as a very

7795
04:57:20,878 --> 04:57:23,680
rudimentary approach, uh you can take

7796
04:57:23,680 --> 04:57:25,600
10% of existing square footage of an

7797
04:57:25,600 --> 04:57:27,520
elevation to modify it without

7798
04:57:27,520 --> 04:57:29,520
implementing the structural uh concerns.

7799
04:57:29,520 --> 04:57:31,520
So, if you have a 100 foot wall and you

7800
04:57:31,520 --> 04:57:33,760
change more than 10 square feet, you're

7801
04:57:33,760 --> 04:57:35,440
into a structural change.

7802
04:57:35,440 --> 04:57:37,280
>> Makes sense.

7803
04:57:37,280 --> 04:57:40,638
>> Okay. So, um,

7804
04:57:40,638 --> 04:57:42,878
>> so I'm all for the all the glazing just

7805
04:57:42,878 --> 04:57:45,600
put over to, um,

7806
04:57:45,600 --> 04:57:47,200
what does that mean? Rejected. We're

7807
04:57:47,200 --> 04:57:47,840
keeping

7808
04:57:47,840 --> 04:57:53,600
>> accepted. Yeah. If you're going to if you're in favor of

7809
04:57:53,600 --> 04:57:55,520
>> added glazing,

7810
04:57:55,520 --> 04:57:55,920
then

7811
04:57:55,920 --> 04:58:00,320
>> we talked about it his rooms too on the other side. We just talk about

7812
04:58:00,320 --> 04:58:01,360
windows all in one.

7813
04:58:01,360 --> 04:58:04,160
>> Maybe. Sorry to interrupt, but uh that

7814
04:58:04,160 --> 04:58:07,600
500 that 50,000 is not included in the

7815
04:58:07,600 --> 04:58:10,160
5.2. So if you want to add that, it's

7816
04:58:10,160 --> 04:58:10,560
going to be

7817
04:58:10,560 --> 04:58:11,280
>> it's a plus.

7818
04:58:11,280 --> 04:58:12,560
>> You guys do what you need to do with

7819
04:58:12,560 --> 04:58:14,160
your spreadsheet to make sure that we

7820
04:58:14,160 --> 04:58:14,878
get windows.

7821
04:58:14,878 --> 04:58:17,440
>> Well, wait, hold on. That is not my

7822
04:58:17,440 --> 04:58:19,280
view. So that's hers. So that's okay.

7823
04:58:19,280 --> 04:58:22,160
>> And your view is not to anything, right?

7824
04:58:22,160 --> 04:58:23,120
>> Well, no.

7825
04:58:23,120 --> 04:58:26,240
>> It is to do all these savings and then

7826
04:58:26,240 --> 04:58:27,840
as this plays out, if there's more

7827
04:58:27,840 --> 04:58:29,760
money, do these later. Now, I understand

7828
04:58:29,760 --> 04:58:31,200
what it's like to put in a window. It

7829
04:58:31,200 --> 04:58:32,878
can be done. I'm doing it in my house.

7830
04:58:32,878 --> 04:58:35,440
You can do it. So my my view is to So So

7831
04:58:35,440 --> 04:58:36,958
I would say no to this right now just

7832
04:58:36,958 --> 04:58:39,120
because we're already over budget.

7833
04:58:39,120 --> 04:58:41,200
>> You say no. Let's see. Brent, where are

7834
04:58:41,200 --> 04:58:42,000
you at?

7835
04:58:42,000 --> 04:58:44,000
>> Uh we've discussed it before and we

7836
04:58:44,000 --> 04:58:45,440
approved it before. I'm going to stick

7837
04:58:45,440 --> 04:58:46,320
with that.

7838
04:58:46,320 --> 04:58:49,680
>> So again, going back and adding windows

7839
04:58:49,680 --> 04:58:53,280
later is going to cost you triple of

7840
04:58:53,280 --> 04:58:53,920
doing it.

7841
04:58:53,920 --> 04:58:56,638
>> You're right. But we were already over.

7842
04:58:56,638 --> 04:58:59,280
>> Okay, Sarah. Oh my goodness. It's just

7843
04:58:59,280 --> 04:59:01,920
so much money. have to say no. It's

7844
04:59:01,920 --> 04:59:02,320
okay.

7845
04:59:02,320 --> 04:59:02,878
>> Yeah.

7846
04:59:02,878 --> 04:59:03,600
>> Okay.

7847
04:59:03,600 --> 04:59:06,320
>> So, it looks like majority are wanting

7848
04:59:06,320 --> 04:59:10,240
to accept the additional cost of adding

7849
04:59:10,240 --> 04:59:12,400
glazing or windows to the community

7850
04:59:12,400 --> 04:59:14,480
center. Um and then

7851
04:59:14,480 --> 04:59:16,160
>> and the fire station, right?

7852
04:59:16,160 --> 04:59:18,958
>> So, the fire station day, I believe.

7853
04:59:18,958 --> 04:59:19,840
Yeah, I think

7854
04:59:19,840 --> 04:59:21,360
>> that was the reduction, if you'll

7855
04:59:21,360 --> 04:59:24,080
remember, Chad showed it reducing the

7856
04:59:24,080 --> 04:59:26,560
height of those. That's only you guys

7857
04:59:26,560 --> 04:59:29,760
remember savings to reduce the height of

7858
04:59:29,760 --> 04:59:30,798
those windows.

7859
04:59:30,798 --> 04:59:32,000
>> I don't think it'll look proportionate

7860
04:59:32,000 --> 04:59:33,680
anymore. It was designed that way for a

7861
04:59:33,680 --> 04:59:35,360
reason.

7862
04:59:35,360 --> 04:59:37,440
>> I'm aesthetically I am I do care about

7863
04:59:37,440 --> 04:59:38,878
aesthetics.

7864
04:59:38,878 --> 04:59:40,798
>> If you're asking for my vote, I don't

7865
04:59:40,798 --> 04:59:43,280
think that's worth the $700 savings.

7866
04:59:43,280 --> 04:59:43,840
It's a

7867
04:59:43,840 --> 04:59:45,600
>> $7,500 is fine.

7868
04:59:45,600 --> 04:59:47,360
>> I say this in a lot of our meetings. You

7869
04:59:47,360 --> 04:59:49,840
have to have a perception of

7870
04:59:49,840 --> 04:59:54,480
>> some of these smaller items that we're de debating back and forth on. The

7871
04:59:54,480 --> 04:59:56,480
dollar amounts are small, but the visual

7872
04:59:56,480 --> 04:59:59,040
impact and the experience and the field

7873
04:59:59,040 --> 05:00:00,480
of space is much bigger.

7874
05:00:00,480 --> 05:00:01,360
>> So you say,

7875
05:00:01,360 --> 05:00:03,120
>> you know what? Let's let's expedite

7876
05:00:03,120 --> 05:00:03,840
this.

7877
05:00:03,840 --> 05:00:05,760
>> We just do the the things Shane listed

7878
05:00:05,760 --> 05:00:08,958
and then miscellaneous a bunch.

7879
05:00:08,958 --> 05:00:11,280
>> I'm just So do we not want to go down

7880
05:00:11,280 --> 05:00:12,958
this list that they have?

7881
05:00:12,958 --> 05:00:13,760
>> No. Okay.

7882
05:00:13,760 --> 05:00:15,120
>> I want to just get rid of all.

7883
05:00:15,120 --> 05:00:17,520
>> Let's just say keep yes, no, yes, no. So

7884
05:00:17,520 --> 05:00:19,040
keep

7885
05:00:19,040 --> 05:00:20,320
>> keep the 7.

7886
05:00:20,320 --> 05:00:22,320
>> And mine's easy. I'm just I know on all

7887
05:00:22,320 --> 05:00:23,760
of it, but so you can go with the other

7888
05:00:23,760 --> 05:00:24,080
ones.

7889
05:00:24,080 --> 05:00:26,240
>> Wait, they rejected the 7500.

7890
05:00:26,240 --> 05:00:27,280
>> That means we're keeping it.

7891
05:00:27,280 --> 05:00:29,680
>> Yeah, that was

7892
05:00:29,680 --> 05:00:33,680
kind of these are rejecting.

7893
05:00:33,680 --> 05:00:35,680
>> Okay. Okay. Okay.

7894
05:00:35,680 --> 05:00:39,280
>> The epoxy we're recepting

7895
05:00:39,280 --> 05:00:40,160
the deduction.

7896
05:00:40,160 --> 05:00:41,760
>> Yeah.

7897
05:00:41,760 --> 05:00:44,320
>> Okay. And then city purchases the

7898
05:00:44,320 --> 05:00:45,040
generator.

7899
05:00:45,040 --> 05:00:48,240
>> Yes, we're accepting that. And then the

7900
05:00:48,240 --> 05:00:50,240
drywall. Yes. The furring. Yes, we're

7901
05:00:50,240 --> 05:00:51,440
accepting that.

7902
05:00:51,440 --> 05:00:52,878
>> No furring

7903
05:00:52,878 --> 05:00:55,920
>> wood wall panel gable ends only. Keep

7904
05:00:55,920 --> 05:00:56,718
street facing.

7905
05:00:56,718 --> 05:00:57,760
>> That's the south end.

7906
05:00:57,760 --> 05:00:59,760
>> Mhm.

7907
05:00:59,760 --> 05:01:03,440
>> I think I think anything that's the

7908
05:01:03,440 --> 05:01:05,760
exterior of the building, we want it to

7909
05:01:05,760 --> 05:01:06,560
look right,

7910
05:01:06,560 --> 05:01:08,480
>> right? But I think we're thinking that

7911
05:01:08,480 --> 05:01:09,920
people aren't really going to see it.

7912
05:01:09,920 --> 05:01:11,840
It's like not on the street. So, it's

7913
05:01:11,840 --> 05:01:13,440
>> Oh, yeah. All those people going to the

7914
05:01:13,440 --> 05:01:15,600
storage units for their fancy cars are

7915
05:01:15,600 --> 05:01:17,680
going to see that building. And we don't

7916
05:01:17,680 --> 05:01:19,600
want it to look. Don't pretend you want

7917
05:01:19,600 --> 05:01:21,520
>> We don't want it to look.

7918
05:01:21,520 --> 05:01:23,520
>> Don't pretend you want that. It's got to

7919
05:01:23,520 --> 05:01:25,680
like live up to the It has it on that

7920
05:01:25,680 --> 05:01:26,240
side.

7921
05:01:26,240 --> 05:01:27,200
>> It doesn't have it.

7922
05:01:27,200 --> 05:01:30,080
>> Yeah. It's only on the south end.

7923
05:01:30,080 --> 05:01:32,240
>> So on the north facing it's still there.

7924
05:01:32,240 --> 05:01:33,280
>> Still be wooden.

7925
05:01:33,280 --> 05:01:34,400
>> Thank goodness.

7926
05:01:34,400 --> 05:01:36,798
>> Except do we do we not while we're doing

7927
05:01:36,798 --> 05:01:38,798
this want to get any feedback? I mean

7928
05:01:38,798 --> 05:01:40,718
this is their our residents money of

7929
05:01:40,718 --> 05:01:41,920
what they would want and

7930
05:01:41,920 --> 05:01:43,760
>> that's why they elected us Andrew.

7931
05:01:43,760 --> 05:01:45,040
>> But we never tell them

7932
05:01:45,040 --> 05:01:46,798
>> you have their voice and you're Great

7933
05:01:46,798 --> 05:01:47,520
job with it.

7934
05:01:47,520 --> 05:01:48,718
>> I accept.

7935
05:01:48,718 --> 05:01:52,240
>> Okay. What's next? We've got existing

7936
05:01:52,240 --> 05:01:54,240
>> existing Oh, yeah. What? We

7937
05:01:54,240 --> 05:01:56,160
>> We gave up the wood on the inside.

7938
05:01:56,160 --> 05:01:57,200
>> Yep. We did

7939
05:01:57,200 --> 05:01:59,040
>> on the south end. That was accepted.

7940
05:01:59,040 --> 05:01:59,840
>> Okay.

7941
05:01:59,840 --> 05:02:03,040
>> Keep existing entry overhead doors.

7942
05:02:03,040 --> 05:02:04,958
>> I'm I'm really sorry. I heard separate

7943
05:02:04,958 --> 05:02:05,200
things.

7944
05:02:05,200 --> 05:02:06,080
>> What is that?

7945
05:02:06,080 --> 05:02:07,200
>> Oh,

7946
05:02:07,200 --> 05:02:09,040
>> on on the item about the keeping the

7947
05:02:09,040 --> 05:02:10,718
wood on the gabling. I heard that we

7948
05:02:10,718 --> 05:02:12,958
wanted to keep the wood. Oh,

7949
05:02:12,958 --> 05:02:15,280
>> I thought I think we're taking it off

7950
05:02:15,280 --> 05:02:16,560
the south side.

7951
05:02:16,560 --> 05:02:18,240
>> I Yeah, I heard that. Correct.

7952
05:02:18,240 --> 05:02:19,360
>> They're going to get rid of the south

7953
05:02:19,360 --> 05:02:22,080
side, but keep it on the street.

7954
05:02:22,080 --> 05:02:24,320
>> Um, what was the overhead? Is that the

7955
05:02:24,320 --> 05:02:25,520
bay doors at door?

7956
05:02:25,520 --> 05:02:28,560
>> Yeah, keep the existing entry doors.

7957
05:02:28,560 --> 05:02:29,440
>> Entry doors

7958
05:02:29,440 --> 05:02:30,320
>> and we said

7959
05:02:30,320 --> 05:02:31,600
>> and they're old.

7960
05:02:31,600 --> 05:02:33,680
>> That That was a hard one for chief

7961
05:02:33,680 --> 05:02:36,400
because we're remodeling his building

7962
05:02:36,400 --> 05:02:38,718
and leaving 30-y old doors.

7963
05:02:38,718 --> 05:02:40,560
>> So, that was the one that the chief said

7964
05:02:40,560 --> 05:02:42,480
no. Right. Can you paint them?

7965
05:02:42,480 --> 05:02:45,680
>> Do those are they functional or not so

7966
05:02:45,680 --> 05:02:46,240
much?

7967
05:02:46,240 --> 05:02:47,840
>> Those doors are only good for so many

7968
05:02:47,840 --> 05:02:49,680
operations and they're

7969
05:02:49,680 --> 05:02:50,958
>> quite a bit.

7970
05:02:50,958 --> 05:02:52,000
>> It's not worth it. Quite a

7971
05:02:52,000 --> 05:02:55,270
>> bit

7972
05:02:55,280 --> 05:02:59,120
I would rather put 50,000 or 57,000 for

7973
05:02:59,120 --> 05:03:01,920
doors than the windows. That's me

7974
05:03:01,920 --> 05:03:03,280
personally. That seems more of a

7975
05:03:03,280 --> 05:03:06,320
function thing for an emergency service.

7976
05:03:06,320 --> 05:03:06,798
>> But but

7977
05:03:06,798 --> 05:03:10,240
>> it's not functional as far as

7978
05:03:10,240 --> 05:03:11,920
we're putting We're putting those new

7979
05:03:11,920 --> 05:03:13,680
doors in,

7980
05:03:13,680 --> 05:03:25,190
>> right? Okay.

7981
05:03:25,200 --> 05:03:26,798
C can we just talk about the wood

7982
05:03:26,798 --> 05:03:28,320
paneling going back because we talk

7983
05:03:28,320 --> 05:03:30,160
about this part people wanted to save

7984
05:03:30,160 --> 05:03:33,280
all that open space like people who use

7985
05:03:33,280 --> 05:03:36,560
the square are not on the street like

7986
05:03:36,560 --> 05:03:39,200
they come and play play lacrosse there

7987
05:03:39,200 --> 05:03:40,958
or whatever and then we do the pet show

7988
05:03:40,958 --> 05:03:43,680
there all the use of the park is not is

7989
05:03:43,680 --> 05:03:46,638
in the interior. So, I I'm just going to

7990
05:03:46,638 --> 05:03:48,718
request one more time you reconsider the

7991
05:03:48,718 --> 05:03:50,240
wood on the on the south side

7992
05:03:50,240 --> 05:03:52,160
>> here. Let's do a quick yes. No. Do you

7993
05:03:52,160 --> 05:03:53,360
want to keep the wood

7994
05:03:53,360 --> 05:03:55,440
>> because this is all uh functional

7995
05:03:55,440 --> 05:03:57,200
without any of this? I'm just saying no.

7996
05:03:57,200 --> 05:03:58,958
Let's do it later if we need. So, no.

7997
05:03:58,958 --> 05:04:01,280
>> So, you're Yes. No, Brent.

7998
05:04:01,280 --> 05:04:03,040
>> No.

7999
05:04:03,040 --> 05:04:04,400
>> Yes. No.

8000
05:04:04,400 --> 05:04:06,560
>> Okay. So, we're getting rid of the

8001
05:04:06,560 --> 05:04:08,718
southside wood paneling. Sorry. Okay.

8002
05:04:08,718 --> 05:04:10,638
So, we're on to the next. I really am

8003
05:04:10,638 --> 05:04:12,560
hurt when Jessica

8004
05:04:12,560 --> 05:04:13,440
>> doors

8005
05:04:13,440 --> 05:04:15,520
>> again. They're 30 year old doors, 40

8006
05:04:15,520 --> 05:04:16,638
year old doors.

8007
05:04:16,638 --> 05:04:17,840
>> Let's replace them.

8008
05:04:17,840 --> 05:04:19,200
>> Yeah. I mean,

8009
05:04:19,200 --> 05:04:20,240
>> okay. So, that is

8010
05:04:20,240 --> 05:04:22,958
>> We're building a new rejected

8011
05:04:22,958 --> 05:04:25,680
>> eliminating the vestibule.

8012
05:04:25,680 --> 05:04:27,680
>> The vestibule is the outer door frame

8013
05:04:27,680 --> 05:04:28,400
thing, right?

8014
05:04:28,400 --> 05:04:30,160
>> That's the vestibule on the community

8015
05:04:30,160 --> 05:04:30,560
center,

8016
05:04:30,560 --> 05:04:31,360
>> right? The doors.

8017
05:04:31,360 --> 05:04:33,840
>> The addition the doors and the addition

8018
05:04:33,840 --> 05:04:35,760
to me that seems like it has some energy

8019
05:04:35,760 --> 05:04:37,360
saving. I understand,

8020
05:04:37,360 --> 05:04:39,120
>> but I don't know if it's going to save

8021
05:04:39,120 --> 05:04:41,600
$23,000 in energy cost.

8022
05:04:41,600 --> 05:04:43,200
>> But Chad said we want to make the whole

8023
05:04:43,200 --> 05:04:44,958
thing look uniform. Like this is the old

8024
05:04:44,958 --> 05:04:46,718
part is the new. Like it's clearly an

8025
05:04:46,718 --> 05:04:48,320
addition. Like we want to like tie the

8026
05:04:48,320 --> 05:04:50,160
two pieces together.

8027
05:04:50,160 --> 05:04:52,160
>> Clearly an identifier for an entrance as

8028
05:04:52,160 --> 05:04:54,000
well, especially for public.

8029
05:04:54,000 --> 05:04:54,878
>> Yeah, that's true.

8030
05:04:54,878 --> 05:04:55,520
>> That's the entrance.

8031
05:04:55,520 --> 05:04:56,798
>> Chrissy, let her know what you want and

8032
05:04:56,798 --> 05:04:57,360
then I'll go.

8033
05:04:57,360 --> 05:04:59,200
>> Oh, I I I thought that was clear. I I

8034
05:04:59,200 --> 05:05:01,280
would like to keep the vegetable. No.

8035
05:05:01,280 --> 05:05:02,798
>> Okay. Yes. No.

8036
05:05:02,798 --> 05:05:03,920
>> Yes.

8037
05:05:03,920 --> 05:05:05,840
Okay. I'm sorry. Doesn't matter

8038
05:05:05,840 --> 05:05:06,718
what I say. Yeah.

8039
05:05:06,718 --> 05:05:08,240
>> Sorry. Okay. Next.

8040
05:05:08,240 --> 05:05:08,718
>> All right.

8041
05:05:08,718 --> 05:05:10,798
>> Eliminate dorm sinks. Two drawer

8042
05:05:10,798 --> 05:05:12,638
floating cabinet, floating sink,

8043
05:05:12,638 --> 05:05:14,000
cabinet, quartz, counter.

8044
05:05:14,000 --> 05:05:15,520
>> Whatever the chief wants, we do.

8045
05:05:15,520 --> 05:05:16,000
>> Yeah.

8046
05:05:16,000 --> 05:05:17,440
>> Can you explain that a little bit?

8047
05:05:17,440 --> 05:05:19,440
>> He said, so in their dorm rooms right

8048
05:05:19,440 --> 05:05:22,080
now, they have a sink.

8049
05:05:22,080 --> 05:05:24,560
>> And um we're saying we can save $12,000

8050
05:05:24,560 --> 05:05:25,920
because they don't really need a sink in

8051
05:05:25,920 --> 05:05:27,760
their dorm room because there's what,

8052
05:05:27,760 --> 05:05:29,760
three or four bathrooms. Across the hall

8053
05:05:29,760 --> 05:05:33,750
is the bathroom.

8054
05:05:33,760 --> 05:05:36,000
» To brush your teeth,

8055
05:05:36,000 --> 05:05:44,948
>> shave you guys.

8056
05:05:44,958 --> 05:05:47,600
» That sounds like function to me.

8057
05:05:47,600 --> 05:05:49,920
>> No, because they have teeth.

8058
05:05:49,920 --> 05:05:50,718
>> No, but they can do that.

8059
05:05:50,718 --> 05:05:52,240
>> But are the bathrooms divided? So if

8060
05:05:52,240 --> 05:05:53,600
somebody's showering or or

8061
05:05:53,600 --> 05:05:55,360
>> Do people share a bathroom?

8062
05:05:55,360 --> 05:05:57,040
>> But they're not divided. So the shower

8063
05:05:57,040 --> 05:05:58,400
or toilet like once they're doing that?

8064
05:05:58,400 --> 05:05:59,680
Nobody else can use it.

8065
05:05:59,680 --> 05:06:00,638
>> So each of the

8066
05:06:00,638 --> 05:06:01,680
>> same time.

8067
05:06:01,680 --> 05:06:02,000
>> Go ahead,

8068
05:06:02,000 --> 05:06:04,958
>> Chief.

8069
05:06:04,958 --> 05:06:06,798
>> Oh,

8070
05:06:06,798 --> 05:06:10,480
there's two bathrooms. At one point

8071
05:06:10,480 --> 05:06:19,430
I don't know how many times I

8072
05:06:19,440 --> 05:06:23,430
» Oh, I see what you're saying.

8073
05:06:23,440 --> 05:06:26,718
» Like there's not a

8074
05:06:26,718 --> 05:06:30,150
shower right now, but

8075
05:06:30,160 --> 05:06:33,840
bathrooms, but we have

8076
05:06:33,840 --> 05:06:36,320
so we can eliminate.

8077
05:06:36,320 --> 05:06:39,040
>> Okay. So, what

8078
05:06:39,040 --> 05:06:41,440
>> I Okay, so he says that it could be

8079
05:06:41,440 --> 05:06:49,750
elimin.

8080
05:06:49,760 --> 05:06:50,638
Okay. Um,

8081
05:06:50,638 --> 05:06:52,718
>> meaning we're rejecting, right?

8082
05:06:52,718 --> 05:06:54,080
>> Yeah.

8083
05:06:54,080 --> 05:06:55,120
>> We're accepting. We're accept.

8084
05:06:55,120 --> 05:06:56,080
>> No, we're accepting it.

8085
05:06:56,080 --> 05:06:56,878
>> Accept. Yeah.

8086
05:06:56,878 --> 05:06:58,718
>> Okay. We wanted something.

8087
05:06:58,718 --> 05:07:02,160
>> And then they wanted

8088
05:07:02,160 --> 05:07:05,920
>> item 11, eliminate dorm beds built in.

8089
05:07:05,920 --> 05:07:08,638
That's one that I feel like

8090
05:07:08,638 --> 05:07:11,760
we need to reject and keep because even

8091
05:07:11,760 --> 05:07:13,680
though initially it'll be a saving and

8092
05:07:13,680 --> 05:07:16,798
the long a savings, but in the long run

8093
05:07:16,798 --> 05:07:19,760
it'll be an increased cost. But let's

8094
05:07:19,760 --> 05:07:20,718
go. You're going to go first.

8095
05:07:20,718 --> 05:07:22,480
>> So instead of a bed bed frame with just

8096
05:07:22,480 --> 05:07:24,320
a mattress on the floor.

8097
05:07:24,320 --> 05:07:25,280
>> Yeah. I don't understand.

8098
05:07:25,280 --> 05:07:26,320
>> It's a builtin.

8099
05:07:26,320 --> 05:07:28,480
>> I know. The but the other option is just

8100
05:07:28,480 --> 05:07:29,840
to have a bed frame.

8101
05:07:29,840 --> 05:07:30,080
>> Yeah.

8102
05:07:30,080 --> 05:07:30,638
>> On the ground.

8103
05:07:30,638 --> 05:07:32,480
>> So it would be a purchase a purchase bed

8104
05:07:32,480 --> 05:07:33,920
frame like a furniture item. In this

8105
05:07:33,920 --> 05:07:34,958
case, we're going to be building it in

8106
05:07:34,958 --> 05:07:35,520
out of metal.

8107
05:07:35,520 --> 05:07:36,798
>> You just do the little metal ones and

8108
05:07:36,798 --> 05:07:38,878
the box spring and a bed mattress.

8109
05:07:38,878 --> 05:07:40,240
>> That's what would be that's what would

8110
05:07:40,240 --> 05:07:41,520
happen if you accept the

8111
05:07:41,520 --> 05:07:42,480
>> Okay. This isision.

8112
05:07:42,480 --> 05:07:45,520
>> They want a flowered head. What are they

8113
05:07:45,520 --> 05:07:47,120
called?

8114
05:07:47,120 --> 05:07:48,480
>> Headboard and a footboard.

8115
05:07:48,480 --> 05:07:50,240
>> Okay. So

8116
05:07:50,240 --> 05:07:52,320
yes or no.

8117
05:07:52,320 --> 05:07:54,560
>> Are they keeping it?

8118
05:07:54,560 --> 05:07:56,400
>> Yeah. So each shift has storage under

8119
05:07:56,400 --> 05:07:56,798
the bed.

8120
05:07:56,798 --> 05:07:58,480
>> So the bed would be fixed in the room

8121
05:07:58,480 --> 05:07:59,920
because it would be a built-in with

8122
05:07:59,920 --> 05:08:01,840
drawers underneath. So it' function as a

8123
05:08:01,840 --> 05:08:03,520
dresser and a bed.

8124
05:08:03,520 --> 05:08:05,360
>> And and how many of these are there? How

8125
05:08:05,360 --> 05:08:07,040
much have they cost per per bed?

8126
05:08:07,040 --> 05:08:09,040
>> There's six. They're 2,000 a piece.

8127
05:08:09,040 --> 05:08:09,440
>> How much?

8128
05:08:09,440 --> 05:08:10,160
>> Six of them.

8129
05:08:10,160 --> 05:08:12,320
>> There's six dorms. So it's about $3,200

8130
05:08:12,320 --> 05:08:15,350
roughly.

8131
05:08:15,360 --> 05:08:17,440
» There is already built-in existing Well,

8132
05:08:17,440 --> 05:08:19,520
not existing. There's planned

8133
05:08:19,520 --> 05:08:21,360
>> built-in furniture to be going in that

8134
05:08:21,360 --> 05:08:22,958
for their dorm, wardrobes, and their

8135
05:08:22,958 --> 05:08:24,718
desks.

8136
05:08:24,718 --> 05:08:26,718
So, it would make sense to keep that co

8137
05:08:26,718 --> 05:08:28,638
cohesive and have all that be the same

8138
05:08:28,638 --> 05:08:30,958
language, but also have be the same wear

8139
05:08:30,958 --> 05:08:32,160
and same durability.

8140
05:08:32,160 --> 05:08:34,718
>> I want to vote last on this one.

8141
05:08:34,718 --> 05:08:35,120
>> Yeah.

8142
05:08:35,120 --> 05:08:37,680
>> Two years. Okay. I'll vote first. No, I

8143
05:08:37,680 --> 05:08:38,718
want Sarah to go first because she

8144
05:08:38,718 --> 05:08:40,718
hasn't been able to say what is your

8145
05:08:40,718 --> 05:08:42,480
vote on the beds.

8146
05:08:42,480 --> 05:08:44,400
>> These these beds the the life of these

8147
05:08:44,400 --> 05:08:46,878
beds is you're saying is better than

8148
05:08:46,878 --> 05:08:47,680
like a metal.

8149
05:08:47,680 --> 05:08:49,440
>> These are ones that chief was referring

8150
05:08:49,440 --> 05:08:49,840
to

8151
05:08:49,840 --> 05:08:51,120
>> 18 years. How many?

8152
05:08:51,120 --> 05:08:52,080
>> They're forever.

8153
05:08:52,080 --> 05:08:54,000
>> Frames can you buy? I don't know. I

8154
05:08:54,000 --> 05:08:55,520
guess I I guess no.

8155
05:08:55,520 --> 05:08:56,480
>> Okay. So, you

8156
05:08:56,480 --> 05:08:57,120
>> the chief.

8157
05:08:57,120 --> 05:08:58,560
>> You don't want that.

8158
05:08:58,560 --> 05:09:00,080
>> I would like to keep the beds.

8159
05:09:00,080 --> 05:09:03,840
>> I'm a no.

8160
05:09:03,840 --> 05:09:05,840
>> I'm a yes. The chief

8161
05:09:05,840 --> 05:09:07,600
>> voting with the chief.

8162
05:09:07,600 --> 05:09:09,520
>> So, only two voted with the chief. The

8163
05:09:09,520 --> 05:09:10,638
rest of you guys

8164
05:09:10,638 --> 05:09:12,160
>> say if later on the chief really wants

8165
05:09:12,160 --> 05:09:13,360
them, I would gladly.

8166
05:09:13,360 --> 05:09:14,240
>> He wants them now.

8167
05:09:14,240 --> 05:09:15,840
>> No. No. Hold on.

8168
05:09:15,840 --> 05:09:16,638
>> How many?

8169
05:09:16,638 --> 05:09:18,480
>> We don't know if it'll work.

8170
05:09:18,480 --> 05:09:20,400
>> Basic metal bed frames. Can you pay for

8171
05:09:20,400 --> 05:09:23,120
>> metal bed frames and dressers? Oh, it's

8172
05:09:23,120 --> 05:09:23,920
dressers too.

8173
05:09:23,920 --> 05:09:25,840
>> Yeah, it's built in storage you can

8174
05:09:25,840 --> 05:09:26,638
store.

8175
05:09:26,638 --> 05:09:28,480
>> What would they use if we say no? If we

8176
05:09:28,480 --> 05:09:30,560
say no to this, what option do you have?

8177
05:09:30,560 --> 05:09:33,200
>> They'll get a metal bed and some

8178
05:09:33,200 --> 05:09:36,400
>> an IKEA plastic containers.

8179
05:09:36,400 --> 05:09:38,000
>> All right, I'll change to yes.

8180
05:09:38,000 --> 05:09:41,040
>> Okay, so looks like we are rejecting.

8181
05:09:41,040 --> 05:09:43,760
Okay, next one. Um, eliminate community

8182
05:09:43,760 --> 05:09:47,360
center mill work. That's $30,000.

8183
05:09:47,360 --> 05:09:49,200
Um,

8184
05:09:49,200 --> 05:09:50,718
so that you guys

8185
05:09:50,718 --> 05:09:51,920
>> built in cabinets

8186
05:09:51,920 --> 05:09:53,360
>> in the community center.

8187
05:09:53,360 --> 05:09:54,798
>> It's the east of all the community room

8188
05:09:54,798 --> 05:09:57,280
center that has the historic references,

8189
05:09:57,280 --> 05:09:59,280
the televisions, the serving areas, the

8190
05:09:59,280 --> 05:10:01,200
storage areas for the EOC conversion,

8191
05:10:01,200 --> 05:10:02,958
etc.

8192
05:10:02,958 --> 05:10:04,560
>> We don't happen to know someone in the

8193
05:10:04,560 --> 05:10:07,360
community that is a woodworker, do we?

8194
05:10:07,360 --> 05:10:08,160
>> I just

8195
05:10:08,160 --> 05:10:09,200
>> We do, but I don't think they'll do it

8196
05:10:09,200 --> 05:10:09,680
for free.

8197
05:10:09,680 --> 05:10:11,280
>> So, I think that's a great price.

8198
05:10:11,280 --> 05:10:13,200
>> Jerry Jerry Robertson.

8199
05:10:13,200 --> 05:10:14,160
>> Okay.

8200
05:10:14,160 --> 05:10:15,600
>> Did you want Okay. Did you want to

8201
05:10:15,600 --> 05:10:17,280
start, Sarah? Okay. Chie,

8202
05:10:17,280 --> 05:10:17,920
>> keep it.

8203
05:10:17,920 --> 05:10:21,200
>> I'll be a No,

8204
05:10:21,200 --> 05:10:26,550
>> Frank.

8205
05:10:26,560 --> 05:10:29,360
» Yes. No. Yes.

8206
05:10:29,360 --> 05:10:31,200
>> I was going to say no because I think we

8207
05:10:31,200 --> 05:10:32,638
can find

8208
05:10:32,638 --> 05:10:33,760
>> someone to do that.

8209
05:10:33,760 --> 05:10:35,440
>> Oh, outside of the cost.

8210
05:10:35,440 --> 05:10:36,878
>> Cohesive project. Oh, sorry.

8211
05:10:36,878 --> 05:10:37,760
>> Free.

8212
05:10:37,760 --> 05:10:39,040
>> No, no one's going to do it for free.

8213
05:10:39,040 --> 05:10:41,200
>> We should try to find anyone who will do

8214
05:10:41,200 --> 05:10:42,878
independent stuff for us.

8215
05:10:42,878 --> 05:10:44,480
>> What else do we have? Sorry. Come back

8216
05:10:44,480 --> 05:10:47,040
to that. Okay. After we Yeah, this this

8217
05:10:47,040 --> 05:10:49,200
is going to be bid out and competitively

8218
05:10:49,200 --> 05:10:51,520
bid. So, anyone that has a license to

8219
05:10:51,520 --> 05:10:53,600
bid on this can and that includes anyone

8220
05:10:53,600 --> 05:10:55,120
in the community.

8221
05:10:55,120 --> 05:10:56,320
>> So, someone in the community wants to

8222
05:10:56,320 --> 05:10:58,480
come in and bid for this during by all

8223
05:10:58,480 --> 05:11:00,160
means they can like a volunteer. So,

8224
05:11:00,160 --> 05:11:02,080
maybe we can if we find a qualified

8225
05:11:02,080 --> 05:11:03,200
send. Okay.

8226
05:11:03,200 --> 05:11:04,480
>> But you've you've already retained the

8227
05:11:04,480 --> 05:11:06,160
services of a design team to do that

8228
05:11:06,160 --> 05:11:08,000
design for it. You just need to retain

8229
05:11:08,000 --> 05:11:09,600
the services of someone to build it and

8230
05:11:09,600 --> 05:11:11,280
that effort is going to be bid out

8231
05:11:11,280 --> 05:11:13,200
still.

8232
05:11:13,200 --> 05:11:15,760
>> Good reminder. Thank you.

8233
05:11:15,760 --> 05:11:18,560
It's still yes. No.

8234
05:11:18,560 --> 05:11:20,080
>> My thought was, can we come back after

8235
05:11:20,080 --> 05:11:21,600
we look at these other three?

8236
05:11:21,600 --> 05:11:23,440
>> Okay, fine. Okay. What's the next one?

8237
05:11:23,440 --> 05:11:24,798
Um

8238
05:11:24,798 --> 05:11:27,040
>> there. Okay. Eliminate

8239
05:11:27,040 --> 05:11:29,520
um storage room mill work. So instead of

8240
05:11:29,520 --> 05:11:31,600
builtins, the storage room because it's

8241
05:11:31,600 --> 05:11:34,400
a storage room. Um they suggested taking

8242
05:11:34,400 --> 05:11:37,360
that out and using like gorilla gorilla

8243
05:11:37,360 --> 05:11:38,958
racks. With respect, mayor, the next

8244
05:11:38,958 --> 05:11:40,958
four items were all internal functional

8245
05:11:40,958 --> 05:11:42,400
items from the fire department, and

8246
05:11:42,400 --> 05:11:44,000
they've all agreed that they're fine to

8247
05:11:44,000 --> 05:11:45,920
>> that they would accept those items and

8248
05:11:45,920 --> 05:11:46,638
take the savings.

8249
05:11:46,638 --> 05:11:47,760
>> Yeah. So, boom, boom, boom.

8250
05:11:47,760 --> 05:11:48,320
>> That's helpful.

8251
05:11:48,320 --> 05:11:49,520
>> Now, we're back to

8252
05:11:49,520 --> 05:11:51,600
>> Let me Can we see the very bottom?

8253
05:11:51,600 --> 05:11:53,280
>> Thank you, Chief. That was a

8254
05:11:53,280 --> 05:11:55,200
>> Can you go down to the bottom, please?

8255
05:11:55,200 --> 05:11:57,120
>> Since they

8256
05:11:57,120 --> 05:11:58,320
can get back there,

8257
05:11:58,320 --> 05:12:00,400
>> I think we did. Yes. And then, um,

8258
05:12:00,400 --> 05:12:02,000
>> we did, right? Mhm.

8259
05:12:02,000 --> 05:12:04,080
>> And then to Oh, they also said to

8260
05:12:04,080 --> 05:12:07,840
eliminate the um to accept the um ADA

8261
05:12:07,840 --> 05:12:13,670
benches.

8262
05:12:13,680 --> 05:12:15,280
» Well, you still have to have a bench.

8263
05:12:15,280 --> 05:12:16,240
So,

8264
05:12:16,240 --> 05:12:17,520
>> I don't think you can be a fire.

8265
05:12:17,520 --> 05:12:18,718
>> Okay. So, it's 49

8266
05:12:18,718 --> 05:12:20,240
>> the bench in the bathroom

8267
05:12:20,240 --> 05:12:23,440
>> and then it's $30,000 for the mill work

8268
05:12:23,440 --> 05:12:24,160
>> workers comp.

8269
05:12:24,160 --> 05:12:26,240
>> Okay. Now, we need to go back to the

8270
05:12:26,240 --> 05:12:27,840
mill work.

8271
05:12:27,840 --> 05:12:28,240
>> All right.

8272
05:12:28,240 --> 05:12:30,560
>> Jessica, did you want to Yes or no?

8273
05:12:30,560 --> 05:12:32,560
Since we deleted those other items, it's

8274
05:12:32,560 --> 05:12:34,000
a yes on the mill work.

8275
05:12:34,000 --> 05:12:35,840
>> Yes on the mil work to accept it.

8276
05:12:35,840 --> 05:12:38,000
>> What do you think, Mayor?

8277
05:12:38,000 --> 05:12:39,200
Keep keep it there

8278
05:12:39,200 --> 05:12:42,240
>> to to put it into the red column.

8279
05:12:42,240 --> 05:12:44,480
>> Yeah. So, you want So, you're

8280
05:12:44,480 --> 05:12:45,840
>> I thought this was brought up by Chrissy

8281
05:12:45,840 --> 05:12:48,480
and Jessica to begin with.

8282
05:12:48,480 --> 05:12:50,560
>> So, mine wasn't Chrissy is that

8283
05:12:50,560 --> 05:12:52,958
detailed. Mine is It can be simpler.

8284
05:12:52,958 --> 05:12:53,360
>> Yes.

8285
05:12:53,360 --> 05:12:56,480
>> It wasn't ever a $30,000. So mine was

8286
05:12:56,480 --> 05:12:57,680
kind of a simple

8287
05:12:57,680 --> 05:12:59,440
>> the way I looked at it is when we went

8288
05:12:59,440 --> 05:13:02,400
over to Lehi and looked at their EOC

8289
05:13:02,400 --> 05:13:04,240
because it's also a community room for

8290
05:13:04,240 --> 05:13:07,760
them also is that you need they not they

8291
05:13:07,760 --> 05:13:09,520
have cabinets but we not only need

8292
05:13:09,520 --> 05:13:11,360
cabinets but they need to be lockable

8293
05:13:11,360 --> 05:13:14,320
for certain things because you have

8294
05:13:14,320 --> 05:13:16,160
various organizations that are renting

8295
05:13:16,160 --> 05:13:18,560
that room or using that room and you

8296
05:13:18,560 --> 05:13:20,718
don't want your radios broken. You don't

8297
05:13:20,718 --> 05:13:22,160
want your equipment, like if we're

8298
05:13:22,160 --> 05:13:25,360
having exercise classes, maybe all the

8299
05:13:25,360 --> 05:13:27,520
yoga blocks go into one of the lock

8300
05:13:27,520 --> 05:13:29,760
cabinets and you don't have to worry

8301
05:13:29,760 --> 05:13:31,360
about kids going in there and taking

8302
05:13:31,360 --> 05:13:33,360
them out and breaking them or whatnot

8303
05:13:33,360 --> 05:13:35,120
that I feel like it's a necessity and

8304
05:13:35,120 --> 05:13:38,160
it's a functional thing as far as what

8305
05:13:38,160 --> 05:13:40,240
goes on top. It could be much simpler.

8306
05:13:40,240 --> 05:13:41,680
So, what if we just gave ourselves a

8307
05:13:41,680 --> 05:13:44,798
$20,000 budget and we could build what

8308
05:13:44,798 --> 05:13:48,000
we need with that instead of 30,000 and

8309
05:13:48,000 --> 05:13:49,520
then we'd have to work within that

8310
05:13:49,520 --> 05:13:51,040
parameter.

8311
05:13:51,040 --> 05:13:52,480
>> Can I suggest something?

8312
05:13:52,480 --> 05:13:53,200
>> Yeah,

8313
05:13:53,200 --> 05:13:54,400
>> we can do something in the drawing

8314
05:13:54,400 --> 05:13:56,718
called a bid alternate or an allowance.

8315
05:13:56,718 --> 05:13:58,480
>> So, we do what you're saying is hold an

8316
05:13:58,480 --> 05:13:59,200
allowance

8317
05:13:59,200 --> 05:14:00,560
>> and that dollars are just spent for the

8318
05:14:00,560 --> 05:14:02,878
UT use to retain someone. But to my

8319
05:14:02,878 --> 05:14:05,040
point earlier, you've already retained

8320
05:14:05,040 --> 05:14:07,120
design team and expertise to have this

8321
05:14:07,120 --> 05:14:08,958
designed out cohesively as part of the

8322
05:14:08,958 --> 05:14:11,280
whole project. So we could do it as a

8323
05:14:11,280 --> 05:14:13,760
build alternate where we design it, have

8324
05:14:13,760 --> 05:14:15,920
those costs allocated separately. If you

8325
05:14:15,920 --> 05:14:17,600
decide you want to take that on the GMP

8326
05:14:17,600 --> 05:14:19,840
day when you have all costs come in, you

8327
05:14:19,840 --> 05:14:22,080
can. If not, you put it aside.

8328
05:14:22,080 --> 05:14:23,200
>> Okay, let's do that.

8329
05:14:23,200 --> 05:14:24,638
>> Do we do that to the roof, too? Oh, just

8330
05:14:24,638 --> 05:14:25,200
kidding.

8331
05:14:25,200 --> 05:14:27,600
>> Yes.

8332
05:14:27,600 --> 05:14:29,520
we could.

8333
05:14:29,520 --> 05:14:31,520
I think she's the only one on the roof,

8334
05:14:31,520 --> 05:14:33,040
so I'm sorry she's alone on that one.

8335
05:14:33,040 --> 05:14:34,160
>> You could do the whole thing at it, but

8336
05:14:34,160 --> 05:14:39,190
I wouldn't suggest that. But

8337
05:14:39,200 --> 05:14:39,520
» okay,

8338
05:14:39,520 --> 05:14:42,560
>> I dream big.

8339
05:14:42,560 --> 05:14:48,080
>> So, I'm wondering if you could do because

8340
05:14:48,080 --> 05:14:49,760
I think there is acknowledgement at

8341
05:14:49,760 --> 05:14:51,520
least from the majority of council that

8342
05:14:51,520 --> 05:14:53,440
there needs to be some kind of mill

8343
05:14:53,440 --> 05:14:56,718
work. So, can you put a note in that

8344
05:14:56,718 --> 05:14:58,560
it's a bit alternate, but with at least

8345
05:14:58,560 --> 05:15:02,878
20,000 to cover the locked um cabinets

8346
05:15:02,878 --> 05:15:05,840
along the bottom half.

8347
05:15:05,840 --> 05:15:09,110
Okay.

8348
05:15:09,120 --> 05:15:14,628
I think we're good, right?

8349
05:15:14,638 --> 05:15:16,000
» Yes.

8350
05:15:16,000 --> 05:15:18,480
>> Rejected that.

8351
05:15:18,480 --> 05:15:20,400
>> Okay. Is there anything else?

8352
05:15:20,400 --> 05:15:28,070
>> So, we're at 4889 plus 900. Yes.

8353
05:15:28,080 --> 05:15:30,160
» Oh, what about for the additional

8354
05:15:30,160 --> 05:15:32,638
glazing that um Jessica asked for on the

8355
05:15:32,638 --> 05:15:33,600
south end?

8356
05:15:33,600 --> 05:15:34,718
>> That's captured in this because

8357
05:15:34,718 --> 05:15:35,760
>> it is in the 50

8358
05:15:35,760 --> 05:15:38,878
>> just reducing the savings by $50,000,

8359
05:15:38,878 --> 05:15:39,920
not adding to it.

8360
05:15:39,920 --> 05:15:41,680
>> Okay. But that's covering So that's

8361
05:15:41,680 --> 05:15:44,400
covering all the glazing the additional

8362
05:15:44,400 --> 05:15:46,560
that was not in your original. Okay. I

8363
05:15:46,560 --> 05:15:47,680
just wanted to make sure because I

8364
05:15:47,680 --> 05:15:49,040
didn't want it to be like, wait, what

8365
05:15:49,040 --> 05:15:50,958
happened to that? Okay, perfect. And

8366
05:15:50,958 --> 05:15:53,520
then later on, mayor, we can reach out

8367
05:15:53,520 --> 05:15:55,520
to you guys to ask about the

8368
05:15:55,520 --> 05:15:57,520
construction costs to maybe try to help

8369
05:15:57,520 --> 05:15:58,718
with those.

8370
05:15:58,718 --> 05:16:00,000
>> No,

8371
05:16:00,000 --> 05:16:01,680
>> that's why we have them. That's what

8372
05:16:01,680 --> 05:16:03,600
they're going to be doing. What we did

8373
05:16:03,600 --> 05:16:05,920
now is what

8374
05:16:05,920 --> 05:16:07,360
>> questions. Is that okay to ask

8375
05:16:07,360 --> 05:16:08,080
questions?

8376
05:16:08,080 --> 05:16:10,000
>> We've been here 5 hours and 15 minutes.

8377
05:16:10,000 --> 05:16:11,120
Can I make a motion?

8378
05:16:11,120 --> 05:16:12,240
>> Yes. Go ahead.

8379
05:16:12,240 --> 05:16:13,840
>> Um, how do I come up with the number

8380
05:16:13,840 --> 05:16:17,760
amount though, Shane? Help me with that

8381
05:16:17,760 --> 05:16:20,160
>> with the total that he has. Can I just

8382
05:16:20,160 --> 05:16:22,080
maybe help Andrew clarify his question?

8383
05:16:22,080 --> 05:16:23,760
You were saying like if they know people

8384
05:16:23,760 --> 05:16:25,280
if we know people that could bid for

8385
05:16:25,280 --> 05:16:26,080
them. Is that what you're saying?

8386
05:16:26,080 --> 05:16:27,280
>> There are probably some public questions

8387
05:16:27,280 --> 05:16:28,798
they don't want to answer like margins

8388
05:16:28,798 --> 05:16:31,040
and stuff and we can help. It'll help us

8389
05:16:31,040 --> 05:16:31,680
with all this.

8390
05:16:31,680 --> 05:16:32,958
>> Yeah, let's take that offline.

8391
05:16:32,958 --> 05:16:34,958
>> Well, that's why I was asking how I

8392
05:16:34,958 --> 05:16:36,958
contact them to ask them.

8393
05:16:36,958 --> 05:16:38,160
>> Shane, will you help me fill in that

8394
05:16:38,160 --> 05:16:39,760
number and I'll make the motion.

8395
05:16:39,760 --> 05:16:41,280
>> Uh, is it

8396
05:16:41,280 --> 05:16:42,480
>> Do you want the screen?

8397
05:16:42,480 --> 05:16:44,958
>> I think I had four.

8398
05:16:44,958 --> 05:16:47,760
>> He has it right here. 5.794. Is that the

8399
05:16:47,760 --> 05:16:48,798
right

8400
05:16:48,798 --> 05:16:50,638
>> uh just the number?

8401
05:16:50,638 --> 05:16:51,600
>> What the heck is that?

8402
05:16:51,600 --> 05:16:53,600
>> Yeah. 4889

8403
05:16:53,600 --> 05:16:54,480
602.

8404
05:16:54,480 --> 05:16:55,600
>> Yeah, that's the current cost.

8405
05:16:55,600 --> 05:16:57,360
>> Is that the number that we have now?

8406
05:16:57,360 --> 05:16:59,200
>> Okay, I'm going to I'm going to round.

8407
05:16:59,200 --> 05:17:02,160
Okay, so I'm going to do 5.9. That gives

8408
05:17:02,160 --> 05:17:05,680
us an extra extra 11,000.

8409
05:17:05,680 --> 05:17:07,200
>> Does that include the 20,000 for the

8410
05:17:07,200 --> 05:17:08,080
milwork?

8411
05:17:08,080 --> 05:17:09,680
>> Are we not talking about the total?

8412
05:17:09,680 --> 05:17:11,680
>> Does this didn't take that out?

8413
05:17:11,680 --> 05:17:14,240
>> We have not taken that out.

8414
05:17:14,240 --> 05:17:16,560
>> So, yeah, to approve the total. Yes. for

8415
05:17:16,560 --> 05:17:16,958
the

8416
05:17:16,958 --> 05:17:18,080
>> I thought Yeah, I thought it was

8417
05:17:18,080 --> 05:17:19,360
>> it's the total. This is just for

8418
05:17:19,360 --> 05:17:20,638
construction, but we're going to do all

8419
05:17:20,638 --> 05:17:20,878
of that.

8420
05:17:20,878 --> 05:17:22,160
>> Can you show me that number one more

8421
05:17:22,160 --> 05:17:24,638
time so I can read it into the minutes?

8422
05:17:24,638 --> 05:17:27,440
>> So you could say not exceeding 5.9.

8423
05:17:27,440 --> 05:17:29,440
>> Oh, we're not adding the 900,000 that

8424
05:17:29,440 --> 05:17:30,160
he's been doing.

8425
05:17:30,160 --> 05:17:32,480
>> We can't. That number would be

8426
05:17:32,480 --> 05:17:35,280
>> 589

8427
05:17:35,280 --> 05:17:36,160
602.

8428
05:17:36,160 --> 05:17:38,400
>> Okay. So if I not exceed,

8429
05:17:38,400 --> 05:17:40,560
>> you're right because we need to make the

8430
05:17:40,560 --> 05:17:43,200
provision for the $20,000 allowance for

8431
05:17:43,200 --> 05:17:44,638
the community room. So he's doing that

8432
05:17:44,638 --> 05:17:46,400
right now. And and while he does that

8433
05:17:46,400 --> 05:17:46,878
there

8434
05:17:46,878 --> 05:17:48,638
>> that's why I was going to round you know

8435
05:17:48,638 --> 05:17:51,120
like you know what I mean

8436
05:17:51,120 --> 05:17:53,040
>> not to exceed a certain amount.

8437
05:17:53,040 --> 05:17:55,520
>> Yeah. Can I put not to exceed is it

8438
05:17:55,520 --> 05:17:57,360
this? Is it the 5.8?

8439
05:17:57,360 --> 05:17:59,120
>> Yes. Okay.

8440
05:17:59,120 --> 05:18:01,040
>> 5 million. Okay. I'm going to make my

8441
05:18:01,040 --> 05:18:01,840
motion.

8442
05:18:01,840 --> 05:18:04,480
>> Yep. I move to accept the following cost

8443
05:18:04,480 --> 05:18:08,718
strategies and have a target budget of

8444
05:18:08,718 --> 05:18:11,120
5,800

8445
05:18:11,120 --> 05:18:13,120
and

8446
05:18:13,120 --> 05:18:14,798
20,000.

8447
05:18:14,798 --> 05:18:16,638
No, 30,000 because we need the

8448
05:18:16,638 --> 05:18:22,628
contingent. Okay. No, 5,820,000

8449
05:18:22,638 --> 05:18:26,240
with a contingency of 10,000

8450
05:18:26,240 --> 05:18:29,840
extra for mill work.

8451
05:18:29,840 --> 05:18:32,718
>> It's 20,000.

8452
05:18:32,718 --> 05:18:34,080
>> Oh, I thought we were guaranteeing the

8453
05:18:34,080 --> 05:18:36,080
20 and to go up to 30 you needed 10.

8454
05:18:36,080 --> 05:18:38,000
>> You need 10. That's correct because you

8455
05:18:38,000 --> 05:18:39,680
meant 20 back in.

8456
05:18:39,680 --> 05:18:40,400
>> That's correct.

8457
05:18:40,400 --> 05:18:40,958
>> Sorry.

8458
05:18:40,958 --> 05:18:43,920
>> You are correct.

8459
05:18:43,920 --> 05:18:45,600
>> You're the account.

8460
05:18:45,600 --> 05:18:48,160
>> Okay. For the fire station edition

8461
05:18:48,160 --> 05:18:50,878
community center project.

8462
05:18:50,878 --> 05:18:52,878
We have

8463
05:18:52,878 --> 05:18:55,360
a motion. I'm so tired. Is there a

8464
05:18:55,360 --> 05:18:56,080
second?

8465
05:18:56,080 --> 05:18:57,600
>> Well, just one question on

8466
05:18:57,600 --> 05:18:59,520
>> No, we've got a motion. Let's I'm asking

8467
05:18:59,520 --> 05:19:00,958
for a second and then we'll have a

8468
05:19:00,958 --> 05:19:01,840
discussion. Okay.

8469
05:19:01,840 --> 05:19:02,240
>> Okay.

8470
05:19:02,240 --> 05:19:03,120
>> I'll second.

8471
05:19:03,120 --> 05:19:05,040
>> Okay. We've got a motion by Councilwoman

8472
05:19:05,040 --> 05:19:08,958
Haniman, second by Councilwoman Spewan.

8473
05:19:08,958 --> 05:19:10,798
>> Did you have a question?

8474
05:19:10,798 --> 05:19:14,878
>> Yes. Does this allot where the donations

8475
05:19:14,878 --> 05:19:19,200
come into play or is it all just saying

8476
05:19:19,200 --> 05:19:22,080
we are approving this for all city funds

8477
05:19:22,080 --> 05:19:25,040
to pay for this or does it include

8478
05:19:25,040 --> 05:19:25,520
>> this is

8479
05:19:25,520 --> 05:19:27,360
>> at budget time? Will we will we look at

8480
05:19:27,360 --> 05:19:28,958
all this and figure out where we move?

8481
05:19:28,958 --> 05:19:30,560
>> It doesn't say where it comes from.

8482
05:19:30,560 --> 05:19:32,240
>> No, it doesn't. We're not allocating.

8483
05:19:32,240 --> 05:19:34,160
>> It allows them to move forward.

8484
05:19:34,160 --> 05:19:34,798
>> Thank you.

8485
05:19:34,798 --> 05:19:36,400
>> They need to move forward.

8486
05:19:36,400 --> 05:19:39,120
>> Ask a question and clarify like we I

8487
05:19:39,120 --> 05:19:41,280
mean we're down to the like just

8488
05:19:41,280 --> 05:19:43,360
essentials, right? There's no other way

8489
05:19:43,360 --> 05:19:47,520
we can cut things, right? We're this is as good as it gets

8490
05:19:47,520 --> 05:19:50,878
>> for the luxury water beds and um remote

8491
05:19:50,878 --> 05:19:51,200
control.

8492
05:19:51,200 --> 05:19:52,958
>> Well, that was why I wanted to ask about

8493
05:19:52,958 --> 05:19:54,718
the construction cost, the big five

8494
05:19:54,718 --> 05:19:57,120
million that I is like a black box.

8495
05:19:57,120 --> 05:19:59,120
>> It's I mean like we're going down to you

8496
05:19:59,120 --> 05:20:00,798
know they're not having drywall. They're

8497
05:20:00,798 --> 05:20:01,600
not I mean we're

8498
05:20:01,600 --> 05:20:04,000
>> okay. I just I just want to make sure

8499
05:20:04,000 --> 05:20:05,840
this it becomes scope.

8500
05:20:05,840 --> 05:20:07,520
>> Do we cut out space? Do we cut out

8501
05:20:07,520 --> 05:20:08,480
program?

8502
05:20:08,480 --> 05:20:11,360
>> And we have to question the size of

8503
05:20:11,360 --> 05:20:13,280
>> I I believe the best route Shane you can

8504
05:20:13,280 --> 05:20:14,400
tell me differently but if you go

8505
05:20:14,400 --> 05:20:15,600
through Shane there's there's a

8506
05:20:15,600 --> 05:20:16,718
conversation that we can have that

8507
05:20:16,718 --> 05:20:17,280
there's

8508
05:20:17,280 --> 05:20:17,600
>> Yeah,

8509
05:20:17,600 --> 05:20:18,160
>> sounds good.

8510
05:20:18,160 --> 05:20:19,280
>> There's contracts that are separate

8511
05:20:19,280 --> 05:20:21,120
between contractor and architect that

8512
05:20:21,120 --> 05:20:22,400
I'm sure

8513
05:20:22,400 --> 05:20:26,240
>> Shane loves when I reach out to him.

8514
05:20:26,240 --> 05:20:28,878
Okay, so we've got a motion and a

8515
05:20:28,878 --> 05:20:31,040
second. Let's proceed with a roll call

8516
05:20:31,040 --> 05:20:31,920
vote.

8517
05:20:31,920 --> 05:20:33,200
>> Chrissy Henman, yes.

8518
05:20:33,200 --> 05:20:35,360
>> Andrew Young, no. Bren Remler, yes.

8519
05:20:35,360 --> 05:20:39,350
>> Jessica Smuan, yes.

8520
05:20:39,360 --> 05:20:41,200
» Sarah Blackwell, yes.

8521
05:20:41,200 --> 05:20:43,600
>> Okay, motion passes.

8522
05:20:43,600 --> 05:20:47,360
Okay, let's last item. Public hearing

8523
05:20:47,360 --> 05:20:48,000
ordinance.

8524
05:20:48,000 --> 05:20:49,360
>> Thank you for your patience.

8525
05:20:49,360 --> 05:20:51,600
>> Oh, yes. Thank you guys. I'm sorry. Now

8526
05:20:51,600 --> 05:20:53,120
all I can think about is let's get this

8527
05:20:53,120 --> 05:20:54,798
done. Thank you guys.

8528
05:20:54,798 --> 05:20:56,000
>> Thanks for coming.

8529
05:20:56,000 --> 05:21:09,270
>> Can't wait.

8530
05:21:09,280 --> 05:21:10,240
» So, we are

8531
05:21:10,240 --> 05:21:12,798
>> $400 million bond.

8532
05:21:12,798 --> 05:21:16,560
>> Oh, the school. Okay, we are moving on

8533
05:21:16,560 --> 05:21:21,830
with um ordinance 2026-07

8534
05:21:21,840 --> 05:21:25,520
» um adjustment for our midyear budget for

8535
05:21:25,520 --> 05:21:28,000
fiscal year 2026.

8536
05:21:28,000 --> 05:21:29,920
>> Yeah. So, this this is just kind of a

8537
05:21:29,920 --> 05:21:33,600
cleanup um for our budget. Uh we have

8538
05:21:33,600 --> 05:21:35,760
advertised the public hearing. So, that

8539
05:21:35,760 --> 05:21:38,560
was noticed properly which the mayor can

8540
05:21:38,560 --> 05:21:40,958
start as soon as I explain the four

8541
05:21:40,958 --> 05:21:43,840
items. Um, the first one is we received

8542
05:21:43,840 --> 05:21:45,680
the million-doll grant for street

8543
05:21:45,680 --> 05:21:47,920
maintenance and so this is just bringing

8544
05:21:47,920 --> 05:21:50,160
that into our budget because we

8545
05:21:50,160 --> 05:21:52,480
overspent that knowing that we would be

8546
05:21:52,480 --> 05:21:54,480
doing this at some point. We do have the

8547
05:21:54,480 --> 05:21:59,280
funds. We received those in um December

8548
05:21:59,280 --> 05:22:03,360
and we did the project last fall. Um,

8549
05:22:03,360 --> 05:22:06,000
next one uh charges for services. We had

8550
05:22:06,000 --> 05:22:07,680
a discrepancy

8551
05:22:07,680 --> 05:22:12,320
in our um solid waste area where our

8552
05:22:12,320 --> 05:22:15,680
revenue and expenses didn't match and we

8553
05:22:15,680 --> 05:22:18,240
I I had a mistake in the GL that was

8554
05:22:18,240 --> 05:22:20,798
listed on what went out the packet. I

8555
05:22:20,798 --> 05:22:22,878
emailed late this afternoon and then put

8556
05:22:22,878 --> 05:22:25,440
a copy on your desk that corrected GL.

8557
05:22:25,440 --> 05:22:27,280
It just shows that coming from fund

8558
05:22:27,280 --> 05:22:29,840
balance. In reality, it will just come

8559
05:22:29,840 --> 05:22:33,760
from revenues through waste collection.

8560
05:22:33,760 --> 05:22:35,600
>> Oh yeah.

8561
05:22:35,600 --> 05:22:39,520
Uh yeah. Yep. So I there's the edit and

8562
05:22:39,520 --> 05:22:41,680
then there's a clean clean copy on your

8563
05:22:41,680 --> 05:22:42,560
desk.

8564
05:22:42,560 --> 05:22:46,160
>> The third one um we we over spent class

8565
05:22:46,160 --> 05:22:49,360
E roads just a little bit by 39,100.

8566
05:22:49,360 --> 05:22:51,040
So that would be coming just from that

8567
05:22:51,040 --> 05:22:51,920
fund balance.

8568
05:22:51,920 --> 05:22:53,600
>> You mean 29,000?

8569
05:22:53,600 --> 05:22:55,760
>> Um yeah,

8570
05:22:55,760 --> 05:22:56,560
>> right.

8571
05:22:56,560 --> 05:22:58,480
>> For some reason I think I had a mistake

8572
05:22:58,480 --> 05:23:00,718
on the cover sheet.

8573
05:23:00,718 --> 05:23:03,040
Um let me just look at my budget really

8574
05:23:03,040 --> 05:23:08,320
quick. Well, one of them it's either the um packet or the form

8575
05:23:08,320 --> 05:23:09,600
the exhibit A.

8576
05:23:09,600 --> 05:23:19,270
>> Yeah, let me just look in here.

8577
05:23:19,280 --> 05:23:24,240
» Yeah, 29100. It's over spent by 29,000

8578
05:23:24,240 --> 05:23:27,520
and almost $2, but just rounded it to

8579
05:23:27,520 --> 05:23:30,320
29100.

8580
05:23:30,320 --> 05:23:32,240
Um

8581
05:23:32,240 --> 05:23:36,000
and then the fourth one, um last fall,

8582
05:23:36,000 --> 05:23:38,000
uh we had a storm drain project that was

8583
05:23:38,000 --> 05:23:40,718
finishing up and we got thinking they

8584
05:23:40,718 --> 05:23:42,958
gave us such a good bid, we should get a

8585
05:23:42,958 --> 05:23:44,560
price to do this other project brought

8586
05:23:44,560 --> 05:23:46,638
at the council was approved. This is

8587
05:23:46,638 --> 05:23:48,560
adjusting more funds from fund balance

8588
05:23:48,560 --> 05:23:50,080
to cover that project that was

8589
05:23:50,080 --> 05:23:53,280
completed. Um and that's those are the

8590
05:23:53,280 --> 05:23:57,920
four items. Okay, we I'll open the um

8591
05:23:57,920 --> 05:24:01,120
public hearing for our midyear budget

8592
05:24:01,120 --> 05:24:02,878
adjustment.

8593
05:24:02,878 --> 05:24:04,560
Is there anyone that would like to make

8594
05:24:04,560 --> 05:24:06,798
a statement regarding our midyear budget

8595
05:24:06,798 --> 05:24:12,948
adjustment?

8596
05:24:12,958 --> 05:24:18,718
So um in the absence of any comments and

8597
05:24:18,718 --> 05:24:21,200
lack of public I will close the public

8598
05:24:21,200 --> 05:24:22,718
hearing

8599
05:24:22,718 --> 05:24:26,480
and um I'll entertain a motion.

8600
05:24:26,480 --> 05:24:28,320
>> We don't discuss it all before

8601
05:24:28,320 --> 05:24:29,920
>> I you know I think let's start with a

8602
05:24:29,920 --> 05:24:31,920
motion and then we can discuss

8603
05:24:31,920 --> 05:24:34,480
>> to approve ordinance 2026-07

8604
05:24:34,480 --> 05:24:35,920
including the proposed mid-year budget

8605
05:24:35,920 --> 05:24:38,240
adjustment. Is there a second?

8606
05:24:38,240 --> 05:24:39,120
>> I'll second.

8607
05:24:39,120 --> 05:24:40,798
>> All second. Chrissy Hanimman.

8608
05:24:40,798 --> 05:24:42,560
>> It's been moved by Councilman Rumler,

8609
05:24:42,560 --> 05:24:44,798
seconded by Councilwoman Haniman. Let's

8610
05:24:44,798 --> 05:24:48,080
proceed with um discussion or questions.

8611
05:24:48,080 --> 05:24:49,280
>> I have none.

8612
05:24:49,280 --> 05:24:51,840
>> Uh Shane, on the storm drain fund that

8613
05:24:51,840 --> 05:24:54,878
215, can you just briefly explain what

8614
05:24:54,878 --> 05:24:56,638
that is only because I'm getting more

8615
05:24:56,638 --> 05:24:57,680
into storm drains.

8616
05:24:57,680 --> 05:24:58,638
>> What project we did?

8617
05:24:58,638 --> 05:25:00,240
>> Yeah. Yeah. What what did the was the

8618
05:25:00,240 --> 05:25:01,120
work they did?

8619
05:25:01,120 --> 05:25:03,040
>> So, the extra work was over on

8620
05:25:03,040 --> 05:25:07,280
Canterbury Lane. Uh we there's a very

8621
05:25:07,280 --> 05:25:10,240
flat uh section of road over there that

8622
05:25:10,240 --> 05:25:14,560
we continually had puddling water and um

8623
05:25:14,560 --> 05:25:17,440
we just extended the storm drain up to

8624
05:25:17,440 --> 05:25:19,760
catch that water and eliminate that

8625
05:25:19,760 --> 05:25:20,400
problem.

8626
05:25:20,400 --> 05:25:23,520
>> And am I right that was 215k to do that?

8627
05:25:23,520 --> 05:25:25,280
seems like a lot to do that.

8628
05:25:25,280 --> 05:25:26,718
>> It's a lot of money when you're digging

8629
05:25:26,718 --> 05:25:29,760
through roads and asphalt and existing

8630
05:25:29,760 --> 05:25:32,080
utilities and and everything. So, but

8631
05:25:32,080 --> 05:25:34,638
they the price was excellent. We had bid

8632
05:25:34,638 --> 05:25:36,958
that that little storm drain project

8633
05:25:36,958 --> 05:25:38,718
thinking we might just get a handful of

8634
05:25:38,718 --> 05:25:41,120
biders and seems like we had eight or 10

8635
05:25:41,120 --> 05:25:42,400
biders. We had

8636
05:25:42,400 --> 05:25:44,240
>> and that was like the low 219

8637
05:25:44,240 --> 05:25:47,440
>> is very competitive. Um really good

8638
05:25:47,440 --> 05:25:49,280
price and that's why we suggested doing

8639
05:25:49,280 --> 05:25:50,320
this other one.

8640
05:25:50,320 --> 05:25:52,798
>> That's a lot. Uh general fund class C

8641
05:25:52,798 --> 05:25:55,840
roads the 29 grand that was is that the

8642
05:25:55,840 --> 05:25:58,560
work we did that is making the roads

8643
05:25:58,560 --> 05:26:00,160
putting that top coat on them. So that's

8644
05:26:00,160 --> 05:26:01,840
from the top coat. It's it's a

8645
05:26:01,840 --> 05:26:05,200
combination of overlays, sil coats, all

8646
05:26:05,200 --> 05:26:08,000
of our different uh road maintenance,

8647
05:26:08,000 --> 05:26:10,400
>> and it just went over the price for them

8648
05:26:10,400 --> 05:26:12,638
to do all that everywhere.

8649
05:26:12,638 --> 05:26:17,120
And then um the the general charges for

8650
05:26:17,120 --> 05:26:19,040
services, the 28 grand, that was just

8651
05:26:19,040 --> 05:26:23,440
the mishap on the uh um

8652
05:26:23,440 --> 05:26:24,400
>> in the budget.

8653
05:26:24,400 --> 05:26:28,480
for the uh um

8654
05:26:28,480 --> 05:26:30,958
>> revenue versus expenses and garbage.

8655
05:26:30,958 --> 05:26:32,240
>> Yeah, for the garbage. That's right. For

8656
05:26:32,240 --> 05:26:34,000
the garbage. So, we just missed that.

8657
05:26:34,000 --> 05:26:34,798
>> Y

8658
05:26:34,798 --> 05:26:36,400
>> uh Okay, I think that's the only

8659
05:26:36,400 --> 05:26:40,320
questions I had. Thank you. Okay, Brent,

8660
05:26:40,320 --> 05:26:42,320
Jessica,

8661
05:26:42,320 --> 05:26:43,040
>> no.

8662
05:26:43,040 --> 05:26:45,760
>> Oh, last question. Sorry. I apologize to

8663
05:26:45,760 --> 05:26:48,080
do that. Uh, and these were all projects

8664
05:26:48,080 --> 05:26:50,480
you guys previously approved, right?

8665
05:26:50,480 --> 05:26:52,718
That these

8666
05:26:52,718 --> 05:26:54,480
uh

8667
05:26:54,480 --> 05:26:56,958
projects and we're just like redoing the

8668
05:26:56,958 --> 05:26:58,878
accounting. Right.

8669
05:26:58,878 --> 05:27:00,000
>> Correct.

8670
05:27:00,000 --> 05:27:02,400
>> When you do these,

8671
05:27:02,400 --> 05:27:04,480
you approve them for a certain amount

8672
05:27:04,480 --> 05:27:06,240
and then they just go over. So, is this

8673
05:27:06,240 --> 05:27:08,400
why we have to do this? We have to

8674
05:27:08,400 --> 05:27:10,080
>> we have to correct it.

8675
05:27:10,080 --> 05:27:12,320
>> Some of these. No. Right. Like for the

8676
05:27:12,320 --> 05:27:16,638
class C roads. Yes. That went over storm drain. That was an additional

8677
05:27:16,638 --> 05:27:18,798
project that came to council

8678
05:27:18,798 --> 05:27:20,240
>> and council approved it.

8679
05:27:20,240 --> 05:27:22,878
>> Okay. And then we're just ratifying the

8680
05:27:22,878 --> 05:27:24,000
difference in money

8681
05:27:24,000 --> 05:27:26,160
>> because we didn't account for that in

8682
05:27:26,160 --> 05:27:27,200
our budget right

8683
05:27:27,200 --> 05:27:29,920
>> back then. But taking advantage of the

8684
05:27:29,920 --> 05:27:32,080
labor force that's here and of the good

8685
05:27:32,080 --> 05:27:33,840
pricing.

8686
05:27:33,840 --> 05:27:35,120
>> It was suggested that we move forward

8687
05:27:35,120 --> 05:27:35,280
with

8688
05:27:35,280 --> 05:27:37,600
>> it. Is this all money that will go into

8689
05:27:37,600 --> 05:27:40,878
the 2020 20 I'm sorry 2025 2026 budget

8690
05:27:40,878 --> 05:27:43,280
or will this go into the 2026 2027

8691
05:27:43,280 --> 05:27:44,160
budget

8692
05:27:44,160 --> 05:27:45,360
>> current budget year

8693
05:27:45,360 --> 05:27:46,958
>> that we're in right now until July.

8694
05:27:46,958 --> 05:27:48,878
Okay. All right. Thank you. That's all.

8695
05:27:48,878 --> 05:27:50,240
>> We're going to talk about fund balance

8696
05:27:50,240 --> 05:27:53,440
more often but these are coming the the

8697
05:27:53,440 --> 05:27:56,480
not the first one but the next three,

8698
05:27:56,480 --> 05:27:57,280
right?

8699
05:27:57,280 --> 05:28:00,240
>> Yep. So the fund balance acts as a

8700
05:28:00,240 --> 05:28:02,958
contingency fund for unexpected things

8701
05:28:02,958 --> 05:28:05,360
that happen during the year. Some things

8702
05:28:05,360 --> 05:28:07,040
cost more, but some things were just a

8703
05:28:07,040 --> 05:28:08,638
good deal and you didn't want to pass up

8704
05:28:08,638 --> 05:28:11,280
like the sale item. So that that's

8705
05:28:11,280 --> 05:28:12,958
exact. We're using the fund balance for

8706
05:28:12,958 --> 05:28:15,040
exactly what it's designed to do is for

8707
05:28:15,040 --> 05:28:18,080
unexpected things or contingency fund.

8708
05:28:18,080 --> 05:28:20,878
So there's nothing really extra. It's

8709
05:28:20,878 --> 05:28:22,400
because we have a fund balance to

8710
05:28:22,400 --> 05:28:24,480
address issues that come along that are

8711
05:28:24,480 --> 05:28:25,360
unexpected.

8712
05:28:25,360 --> 05:28:25,920
>> Thank you.

8713
05:28:25,920 --> 05:28:27,040
>> Yeah. Does that help?

8714
05:28:27,040 --> 05:28:28,798
>> Let's proceed with a roll call vote.

8715
05:28:28,798 --> 05:28:31,600
>> Chrissy Hammond. Yes.

8716
05:28:31,600 --> 05:28:33,680
>> I only because I don't know the details.

8717
05:28:33,680 --> 05:28:35,120
Andrew Young, no.

8718
05:28:35,120 --> 05:28:36,080
>> Ran, yes.

8719
05:28:36,080 --> 05:28:37,680
>> Jessica Sme, yes.

8720
05:28:37,680 --> 05:28:39,280
>> Sarah Blackwell, yes.

8721
05:28:39,280 --> 05:28:41,360
>> Okay.

8722
05:28:41,360 --> 05:28:45,600
Um, ordinance 2026-07 passes. Um, let's

8723
05:28:45,600 --> 05:28:49,120
staff reports. Chief,

8724
05:28:49,120 --> 05:28:51,120
Steve Shane,

8725
05:28:51,120 --> 05:28:52,320
>> I'm just going to send you an email

8726
05:28:52,320 --> 05:28:54,480
tomorrow if it's okay.

8727
05:28:54,480 --> 05:28:55,920
>> Okay. Right.

8728
05:28:55,920 --> 05:28:58,558
>> Nothing. Jessica,

8729
05:28:58,558 --> 05:29:00,958
>> I'm gonna CC everyone on the email that

8730
05:29:00,958 --> 05:29:04,480
Shane's sending and add my email to it.

8731
05:29:04,480 --> 05:29:06,000
>> Maybe that's what we should do because

8732
05:29:06,000 --> 05:29:08,638
it's really late and if we go and talk

8733
05:29:08,638 --> 05:29:10,958
then Andrew is going to be holding

8734
05:29:10,958 --> 05:29:12,638
contempt for going over midnight. No,

8735
05:29:12,638 --> 05:29:13,120
I'm just kidding.

8736
05:29:13,120 --> 05:29:14,958
>> It's true. I I really am watching.

8737
05:29:14,958 --> 05:29:16,160
>> Do you have anything?

8738
05:29:16,160 --> 05:29:17,920
>> No,

8739
05:29:17,920 --> 05:29:21,920
I do. Um I heard from the um sculpture

8740
05:29:21,920 --> 05:29:23,840
garden they have really good updates. I

8741
05:29:23,840 --> 05:29:26,240
will forward you the email. And

8742
05:29:26,240 --> 05:29:28,480
reminder, if you'd like to come to our

8743
05:29:28,480 --> 05:29:30,240
finance committee meeting on Thursday

8744
05:29:30,240 --> 05:29:33,440
morning at 8 to 9:30, it's designed

8745
05:29:33,440 --> 05:29:36,638
specifically for us really because uh

8746
05:29:36,638 --> 05:29:38,320
we're going to be looking at budget.

8747
05:29:38,320 --> 05:29:41,680
Andrew, you're going out of town and um

8748
05:29:41,680 --> 05:29:42,878
what was the other thing we're going to

8749
05:29:42,878 --> 05:29:45,120
do? Budget and just like our financials.

8750
05:29:45,120 --> 05:29:46,878
So, I just want to verbally remind you

8751
05:29:46,878 --> 05:29:48,240
of that meeting and we've already

8752
05:29:48,240 --> 05:29:50,878
noticed it so you can all attend.

8753
05:29:50,878 --> 05:29:52,798
>> Okay? I hope to see you there at 8:00 am

8754
05:29:52,798 --> 05:29:55,120
to 9:30. We're gonna be right on time

8755
05:29:55,120 --> 05:29:56,798
because our presenter has to be in

8756
05:29:56,798 --> 05:29:57,520
Heber.

8757
05:29:57,520 --> 05:29:58,798
>> Okay. Andrew,

8758
05:29:58,798 --> 05:30:01,280
>> you uh Heidi, would you mind bringing up

8759
05:30:01,280 --> 05:30:04,638
the image of the shingles on boxelder

8760
05:30:04,638 --> 05:30:06,240
resident wanted to share with you the

8761
05:30:06,240 --> 05:30:08,000
shingles on Did they already do it?

8762
05:30:08,000 --> 05:30:09,600
>> No, it's not been replaced, but we're

8763
05:30:09,600 --> 05:30:10,718
aware the fire

8764
05:30:10,718 --> 05:30:12,718
>> if you just pull it up, they can see.

8765
05:30:12,718 --> 05:30:15,040
While she's pulling that up, several

8766
05:30:15,040 --> 05:30:16,638
folks have reached out about asking if

8767
05:30:16,638 --> 05:30:19,040
the uh that one uh you understand those

8768
05:30:19,040 --> 05:30:20,558
shingles that I guess they're flaking

8769
05:30:20,558 --> 05:30:22,080
off and going into neighbors yards. So,

8770
05:30:22,080 --> 05:30:23,760
they just wanted me to let you know. So,

8771
05:30:23,760 --> 05:30:25,200
if we can be of any help, let us know.

8772
05:30:25,200 --> 05:30:27,520
>> They've reached that 30 plus years of

8773
05:30:27,520 --> 05:30:29,200
age and live their life.

8774
05:30:29,200 --> 05:30:30,320
>> Chie loves us because it's

8775
05:30:30,320 --> 05:30:32,160
>> Well, and in the future, do we do

8776
05:30:32,160 --> 05:30:37,120
>> Hey, in the future for things like this, is something that you can schedule

8777
05:30:37,120 --> 05:30:39,520
to meet with Shane on and we really

8778
05:30:39,520 --> 05:30:42,080
don't need to. I was just I get them and

8779
05:30:42,080 --> 05:30:43,360
I don't have time so I put them in a

8780
05:30:43,360 --> 05:30:44,718
list and I say, "Okay, at the one point

8781
05:30:44,718 --> 05:30:45,440
I can tell."

8782
05:30:45,440 --> 05:30:47,120
>> I know. But this isn't something that I

8783
05:30:47,120 --> 05:30:49,040
mean it's 11:30 at night. This is

8784
05:30:49,040 --> 05:30:50,400
something that you can just shoot off to

8785
05:30:50,400 --> 05:30:51,840
Shane and say, "Hey, can you take care

8786
05:30:51,840 --> 05:30:52,638
of this?"

8787
05:30:52,638 --> 05:30:54,240
>> Why? Okay. I wasn't going to ask him to.

8788
05:30:54,240 --> 05:30:57,680
Okay. Yes, I understand. Um

8789
05:30:57,680 --> 05:31:00,480
where was I? I Oh, several residents are

8790
05:31:00,480 --> 05:31:03,120
asking to bump up the PI water date. I

8791
05:31:03,120 --> 05:31:05,280
told them I don't know.

8792
05:31:05,280 --> 05:31:05,680
>> Later.

8793
05:31:05,680 --> 05:31:06,480
>> No, make it earlier.

8794
05:31:06,480 --> 05:31:07,200
>> No, earlier.

8795
05:31:07,200 --> 05:31:09,520
>> So, you're the council member overwater.

8796
05:31:09,520 --> 05:31:12,080
You'll be included on a text with the

8797
05:31:12,080 --> 05:31:13,920
other water committee from the

8798
05:31:13,920 --> 05:31:16,558
irrigation company and Greg and myself.

8799
05:31:16,558 --> 05:31:17,360
>> On what day?

8800
05:31:17,360 --> 05:31:18,718
>> We'll be trying to schedule a meeting

8801
05:31:18,718 --> 05:31:19,920
probably next week.

8802
05:31:19,920 --> 05:31:20,320
>> Okay.

8803
05:31:20,320 --> 05:31:20,798
>> To talk about

8804
05:31:20,798 --> 05:31:22,080
>> I I tell them it's between the 10th and

8805
05:31:22,080 --> 05:31:24,480
the 15th. That's correct. Right.

8806
05:31:24,480 --> 05:31:27,280
>> It's several residents are asking for

8807
05:31:27,280 --> 05:31:29,600
the pressurized irrigation turn on day

8808
05:31:29,600 --> 05:31:31,040
to come earlier because they already

8809
05:31:31,040 --> 05:31:32,878
want to start watering.

8810
05:31:32,878 --> 05:31:35,280
>> And I told them I would let you know and

8811
05:31:35,280 --> 05:31:37,920
I will do that more on emails. But I

8812
05:31:37,920 --> 05:31:39,120
>> we talked about that as a water

8813
05:31:39,120 --> 05:31:40,240
committee and we were told that that

8814
05:31:40,240 --> 05:31:41,760
there was a legal agreement that we

8815
05:31:41,760 --> 05:31:43,600
can't do it before April 15th. Are you

8816
05:31:43,600 --> 05:31:45,520
saying that it's up to debate?

8817
05:31:45,520 --> 05:31:48,240
>> We could we never have since the system

8818
05:31:48,240 --> 05:31:50,558
was built. We've never

8819
05:31:50,558 --> 05:31:52,240
you know it might be the 14th because

8820
05:31:52,240 --> 05:31:54,240
Greg's in certain parts town. He's

8821
05:31:54,240 --> 05:31:56,240
filling lines and things, but

8822
05:31:56,240 --> 05:31:59,120
>> it's it's been the 15th every year.

8823
05:31:59,120 --> 05:32:00,798
>> There's not there's not a legal

8824
05:32:00,798 --> 05:32:04,718
restriction. Oh. Uh okay. really quick.

8825
05:32:04,718 --> 05:32:06,558
Uh thank you Heidi for all the Alpine

8826
05:32:06,558 --> 05:32:09,360
Days music suggestions. The followup on

8827
05:32:09,360 --> 05:32:11,120
Smooth Canyon. I sent out an email but

8828
05:32:11,120 --> 05:32:13,520
didn't get a response from anyone about

8829
05:32:13,520 --> 05:32:17,920
the signs at uh Smooth Canyon Park um

8830
05:32:17,920 --> 05:32:21,040
for the dogs that are biting people. Um

8831
05:32:21,040 --> 05:32:23,760
>> Oh, no. We're like we said before, we're

8832
05:32:23,760 --> 05:32:26,080
working on signage for all of our parks.

8833
05:32:26,080 --> 05:32:27,920
It will be standardized and that will be

8834
05:32:27,920 --> 05:32:29,360
>> right. But Don was like, "No, that won't

8835
05:32:29,360 --> 05:32:30,718
work." So I was like, "Shane, let us

8836
05:32:30,718 --> 05:32:32,718
know what would work for. It sounds like

8837
05:32:32,718 --> 05:32:34,160
these can be listed anyway. Sounds like

8838
05:32:34,160 --> 05:32:35,280
you know about it.

8839
05:32:35,280 --> 05:32:37,040
>> Yeah, that that will be one of the

8840
05:32:37,040 --> 05:32:38,558
>> You responded.

8841
05:32:38,558 --> 05:32:39,920
>> Uh not to me.

8842
05:32:39,920 --> 05:32:41,600
>> I thought it was a reply all.

8843
05:32:41,600 --> 05:32:42,400
>> Yeah, I

8844
05:32:42,400 --> 05:32:44,320
>> it's okay. I must have missed it. That's

8845
05:32:44,320 --> 05:32:47,680
okay. The the last ones I can email. Um

8846
05:32:47,680 --> 05:32:48,798
because you've heard of it with

8847
05:32:48,798 --> 05:32:52,160
exception of um if if you want to work

8848
05:32:52,160 --> 05:32:54,000
together on the fences thing, let me let

8849
05:32:54,000 --> 05:32:55,440
me know. It's been there for a while.

8850
05:32:55,440 --> 05:32:56,958
So, let me know if there's any problems.

8851
05:32:56,958 --> 05:32:57,440
That's all.

8852
05:32:57,440 --> 05:33:00,240
>> So, our our new person, our new staff

8853
05:33:00,240 --> 05:33:02,080
member starts next Tuesday. Oh, there

8854
05:33:02,080 --> 05:33:04,160
you go. Okay, thank you. That's all.

8855
05:33:04,160 --> 05:33:04,480
>> Okay.

8856
05:33:04,480 --> 05:33:05,840
>> Appreciate your time.

8857
05:33:05,840 --> 05:33:10,958
>> Don't hate me. I'm sorry. Um, grand marshall is going to open soon and

8858
05:33:10,958 --> 05:33:12,558
you guys decide on the grand marshall.

8859
05:33:12,558 --> 05:33:14,878
So, um, if you want to submit, watch for

8860
05:33:14,878 --> 05:33:19,120
it. But I just want you to know that is on this council that to decide.

8861
05:33:19,120 --> 05:33:21,200
So, um, that's coming.

8862
05:33:21,200 --> 05:33:22,638
>> Thank you. That's very important. I

8863
05:33:22,638 --> 05:33:23,840
nominate Carla Merrell.

8864
05:33:23,840 --> 05:33:26,240
>> No, no, no. I will entertain a motion to

8865
05:33:26,240 --> 05:33:28,000
adjurnn.

8866
05:33:28,000 --> 05:33:29,680
>> Uh, since we're adjourned. Oh, yes. I'll

8867
05:33:29,680 --> 05:33:30,558
move to second.

8868
05:33:30,558 --> 05:33:32,558
>> Okay. Is there a second? Okay. Moved by

8869
05:33:32,558 --> 05:33:36,400
Rummler, seconded by Young.