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Welcome everyone to the March 31st uh

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planning commission meeting for the city

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of Alpine.

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We uh recognize planning commissioners

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that are with us. Troy Slade, Michelle

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Schumer, myself, John McCay,

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>> and Suz Wittenberg. We have uh

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Jason Jud, our city engineer, and Heidi

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Smith. What do we call you, Heidi?

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a failure today. Commun I believe your

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title officially is communications.

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>> Yes, [laughter]

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it is.

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>> Good.

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>> I'm glad we got that covered.

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>> Yeah, we've got a we've hired our new

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planners, so I will not be here much

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longer.

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>> Join joining us by Zoom is Alan

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McDonald. He's our chair, but he will be

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uh joining us as a participating as a a

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voting commission member.

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Uh and Ryan Robinson is also on Zoom

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with us. We welcome all those that are

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spending time with us out of their

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evening. Uh we appreciate your

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attendance. Um

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and we'll get started with an opening

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prayer by Suz Wittenberg and a pledge of

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allegiance by uh

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Michelle Schumer.

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Our

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father in heaven, as we come before thee

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this evening, we're very grateful to be

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here as a planning commission and with

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our citizens of this great city. We're

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very grateful that we have the

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opportunity to meet and discuss things

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today and we pray for thy spirit that we

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will do that in a very cordial and a

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very kind manner. We're so grateful for

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our city staff and the work that they

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put in as as well as our city council

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people. We're very thankful, Father, for

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the favorable circumstances that we live

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under. We pray that we will live

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gratefully. We will be good neighbors

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and we will live um to better other

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people's lives as well. We're grateful

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for this association that we have and we

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pray that thy spirit will will be with

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us this evening. We pray this prayer in

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gratitude and in the name of Jesus

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Christ. Amen.

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>> Amen.

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stand

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to the flag of the United States of

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America and to the republic for which it

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stands. One nation under God,

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indivisible with liberty and justice for

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all.

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» I don't know what it is. I'm gonna try

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and figure that out.

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» All right.

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Do you have any reports or

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presentations?

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» No, not that I'm aware of.

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>> Okay,

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then we'll move into our first uh action

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item, discussion item. Uh

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we have before us approval for the

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reconstruction of a non-conforming

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building located at 480 East 100 South.

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You want to introduce that for us, Ryan?

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>> Yes. Can you guys hear me? Stay still.

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>> You can turn your volume up just a tad.

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That would be great.

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>> And I'm going to need to turn mine up.

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>> I think it's his that needs.

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» I always give my best work when no one

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can hear me. So, if that's the case, let

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me know and we can we can pause.

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>> You're sounding 5x5 now.

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>> Okay. So this one, this one, and Jason,

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jump in if I I misrepresent anything on

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this, but basically what this is is the

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applicant purchased this property at 480

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East 100 South. There's a home in a

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couple of accessory buildings on the

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property that have been have been torred

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down. They want to build a new home. Um

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the the city code that's referenced

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there for non-conforming building. Um so basically this my understanding is

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this is a non-conforming

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uh lot because it's less than it's 8,150

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square ft with 80 ft of frontage in the

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TR10,000 zone. So in the TR10,000 zone

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you'd have to have a 10,000 foot minimum

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lot with with at least 90 ft of

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frontage. Um so this this would be a

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non-conforming lot um in that in that uh

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in that zone. So, the city code gives us

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the ability

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to enlarge. You can see in this next in

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the section that's highlighted there,

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you can enlarge or reconstruct a

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non-conforming building um with you know

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with with certain conditions is part of

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that. Um so this is just part of the

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process that they have to go through. Um

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you can see that they uh with these one

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through four they need to you know with

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the with a recommendation that you guys

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make to the council would have to meet

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those one through four um and and the

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requirement there. So and then you guys

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can recommend u conditions that would

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help you know mitigate some of those

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issues that are that are a part of that.

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so there's there's that side of it. Uh

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let's see. So the new site plan should

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be included

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in here as well. So you can you can kind

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of see what that looks like. Um but

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there's no no public hearing required on

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this. Um,

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and then the our the recommendation from

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staff is to to make a recommendation to

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city council to uh

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approve this or allow it to be

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reconstructed as as part of that uh as

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part of this process. Jason, is there

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anything I missed on that or anything

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that we brought up to speed on?

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>> No, it's it that sounds good.

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the problem.

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So that's all I have as far as staff

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report side on my end. Happy to take any

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questions or anything we can do on that.

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>> Thank you Ryan. Does anybody have any

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» Can I get some just the specs on the

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height of the house?

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that a question for me, Sue? Sorry, I

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couldn't really hear you.

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>> If you know it, Ryan, I was just curious

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about the height of the home. I couldn't

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find that in the specs.

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>> Yeah. So, so they would still have to

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meet, my understanding is they're only

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asking for like legal non-conforming

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because of the lot size. It would still

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have to meet all the requirements for

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setbacks and height that we have in

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place. So, from the average finish grade

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to the midpoint of the roof couldn't

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exceed 35 ft. Um, and with as is part of

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this, if you guys approve this, they'll

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still have to go through the building

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permit process where where Jason and and

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staff will will look at that um to make

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sure that that all that's being

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preliminary stuff. Okay. Thank you,

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Ryan.

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I understand the applicant is here with

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us tonight. Do they want to say

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anything? You want to speak to this or

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that. All right. Any other questions?

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requirements to be able

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>> and I would I would suggest that whoever

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so I apologize if I'm delayed made. But

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yeah, go up one more.

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>> That one right there.

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this, I'm ready for a motion.

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» Can you I mean, I can make a motion. I

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don't have any questions. It fits

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everything. So, it's a great looking

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plan, by the way.

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Yeah. Can we can you scroll up to the

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motion if you guys don't?

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>> Of course I can. Look at me go. [snorts]

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» did you have a question?

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» Yeah. So, you felt like everything was

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>> If you speak, make sure you're on the

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record.

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>> I mean, you can talk to each other, but

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if you're talking, make sure you

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>> on the record. Make sure you're by your

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mics because

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>> I'll make a motion.

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>> There we go.

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>> Um, I move to recommend approval of the

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proposed site plan for reconstructing

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the home at 480 East 100 South to the

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city council as per the submitted site

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plan.

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» You want to submit your findings?

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Um, I mean, as I read through it, it

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fits the requirements

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um for

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rebuilding it on the non-conforming lot.

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second. All in favor? I

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>> I oppose.

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>> Alan, did you vote?

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>> Uh, yeah. I said I I think, but I can

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hardly hear any of you. It's a bunch of

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mumbling and I I've got no cameras. I

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can't see your agenda. I'm not sure why

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nothing's showing up on the Zoom screen.

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>> Okay, hold on. Maybe we have video.

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>> All right, Mara. The motion carried with

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five in favor and none

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Okay, moving on to the next item.

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We've got a public hearing [snorts] for

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the Three Falls Plat

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amendment plat.

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» So, Ryan, do you want to take us through

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the public or the Three Falls Plat

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amended plat?

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>> Yes. So, it looks like Oh, let me pull

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up my There it is. Right there. So, this

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looks like there's some land swap

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between these three lots up in Three

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Falls. Um, it looks like uh some some

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fence was built across the property line

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that probably shouldn't have been and

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they just need to swap some property uh

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with with the public open space uh some

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of the three Paul's HOA and then this private property owner that they

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need to do some land swapping there. Uh

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a requirement is if we uh any

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modification or disposal of public open

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space. Um and then it looks like these

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will also have more than five side uh

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five-sided lots which requires our

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definition of a lot is no more than five

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sides. But if there's if there you can

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have more than five sides. It just needs

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an exception or recommendation from the

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planning commission and approval from

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city council for an exception to those

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five-sided lots. Um, so it looks like

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that's the that's the background of

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this. Uh, let me see, Heidi, if you go

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down to

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uh there's a there's a sheet or a page

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that shows kind of the lots in question.

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If you want to maybe scroll down a

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little bit.

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>> Is that it?

286
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» Uh, it's not showing any changes on my

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side. I'm still showing that. Yeah, keep

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going down.

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Keep going. Keep going.

290
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>> I think it's

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>> So, those are the lots. Yeah, this one

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right there. You maybe want to

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>> back it up a little bit. Yeah, you can

294
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kind of see

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>> uh lots 47, 48, and 49. Then the the

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proposed land swap that would that would

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go into place with those. So, basically,

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we need a we need a recommendation for

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the land swap of of public property and

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then a recommendation on the more than

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five-sided lot exception that we have in

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our code that allows that to happen. Um,

303
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I don't know, Jason might know more

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about this one than I do. I don't know

305
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much more than what's what's in the

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staff report on this one, but um you can

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kind of see on the staff report there,

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there's a proposal slash request slash

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request

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Um, so that's that's kind of what

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they're asking for there. So the swap of

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the open space, the public open space to

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the owner. Um, yeah, you can see one

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through five there. I'm not going to

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read through them, but um that there

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this is kind of a kind of a confusing

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one. So if anyone has any questions or

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anything, I'd be happy to go over that.

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But it looks like, if I read this right,

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we do need a public hearing because we

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are disposing of of doing this land swap

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that includes public property.

323
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>> Um, so any any questions or anything on

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that or Jason, do you anything I missed

325
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or anything you want to touch on more?

326
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>> So, we'll see how this goes.

327
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>> Try talk over here.

328
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>> Wow.

329
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Um, one thing the commission needs to

330
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know on this, um, the engineer got back

331
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to us late on one item that we were

332
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checking on this. Um, within the city,

333
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you can't have,

334
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we've got percentages here. I'm trying

335
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to get this through in my brain. Um, you

336
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can't have a lot with more than 15% of

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the lot with a slope greater than 25%.

338
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So this if you can look the green

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hatched area up there that

340
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when this is all combined it will be

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over that 15%.

342
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So staff recommendation actually is to

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deny it at this time or table it until

344
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we can get that worked out.

345
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Um the fivesided lot we staff

346
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recommendation is okay on that but to

347
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make that happen everything else needs

348
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to happen so we should excuse me should

349
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probably table that as well if I can

350
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give that recommendation.

351
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Okay, let's let's just chunk this down.

352
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The

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» the fence in question is in that aqua

354
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blue area, right?

355
00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,160
>> No, it's up at the top

356
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>> in the green

357
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>> 47

358
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>> dashed area like the the two lines

359
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together.

360
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>> The darker Yeah,

361
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>> the darker green. Okay.

362
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>> Yep. It's across the top of that. And

363
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it's that little section that's causing

364
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the the slope issue.

365
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>> Okay.

366
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>> Other than that, it's fine.

367
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» Where's 48?

368
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>> It's gone because that little wording.

369
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>> So 48 was right here.

370
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>> 47.

371
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>> Okay. That's really tiny.

372
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>> Yeah.

373
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>> So are we combining 48 and 47?

374
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>> Yes.

375
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>> Okay. I assumed it had to be there, but

376
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>> and that and that becomes the issue with

377
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the multiple or multiple sides over

378
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five.

379
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>> So, no, that's this one works because

380
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this is all frontage.

381
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>> So, this only has the one, two, three

382
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sides or it's this one here that has

383
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one, two, three, four, five, six, seven

384
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sides.

385
00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,279
>> These are all being combined into one

386
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lot.

387
00:16:29,759 --> 00:16:32,880
>> No, these are one lot or this is one lot

388
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47. And this is one lot 49.

389
00:16:35,839 --> 00:16:39,440
>> Okay. So, why do we care about 49?

390
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>> To make the land swap.

391
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>> Oh, that's where the

392
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>> So, they're taking this as part of this

393
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lot and then the swaps down here.

394
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>> I see.

395
00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:52,399
Okay.

396
00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:54,240
So, there's not a home on this property

397
00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:54,800
right now.

398
00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:57,199
>> There's a home on 47 right now.

399
00:16:57,199 --> 00:16:58,720
>> Okay.

400
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So, what happens when you

401
00:17:01,839 --> 00:17:05,029
have a

402
00:17:05,039 --> 00:17:07,839
The issue is that we can't turn

403
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a legal lot into a non-conforming law.

404
00:17:11,679 --> 00:17:13,280
>> Correct.

405
00:17:13,280 --> 00:17:15,199
>> And that happens because the slopes,

406
00:17:15,199 --> 00:17:16,559
>> correct,

407
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>> are beyond limits.

408
00:17:19,679 --> 00:17:22,400
Okay.

409
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Do we have anybody from the uh

410
00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:27,839
>> if you want to speak to this come come

411
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to the uh podium and

412
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>> state your name

413
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>> if it's not on

414
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>> hello state your name and

415
00:17:35,919 --> 00:17:37,280
>> there's a little button on it

416
00:17:37,280 --> 00:17:37,760
>> where you live

417
00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:38,799
>> I think I think it's on

418
00:17:38,799 --> 00:17:40,640
>> it's at the base you get it

419
00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:41,840
>> oh it was on

420
00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,799
>> yeah Steve Sorenson I'm the lot owner

421
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>> so I guess I have a question the the

422
00:17:47,280 --> 00:17:50,559
slope area is it is it the one in

423
00:17:50,559 --> 00:17:53,919
question on adjacent to lot 47 or is it

424
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the one down in 49?

425
00:17:57,120 --> 00:18:00,640
>> It's on 47. It's this little area right

426
00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:01,919
up here.

427
00:18:01,919 --> 00:18:02,720
>> Okay. So, it's

428
00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,840
>> so these all these lots were fine. It's

429
00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,240
the slope on this one is just so steep

430
00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:10,559
it pushes the whole lot together over

431
00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:12,240
that 15%.

432
00:18:12,240 --> 00:18:15,200
>> So, the question is, is it 15% when the

433
00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:16,799
two are combined? Because that's what

434
00:18:16,799 --> 00:18:17,600
we're proposing.

435
00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:19,360
>> It's when all of them are combined

436
00:18:19,360 --> 00:18:21,679
>> really. So the 6.2

437
00:18:21,679 --> 00:18:25,360
acres, it's more than 15% that slope.

438
00:18:25,360 --> 00:18:28,160
>> So originally they were right near 15%

439
00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,520
to begin with. 47 48 they were like

440
00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:33,200
14.5%.

441
00:18:33,200 --> 00:18:33,760
>> Mhm.

442
00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:35,919
>> So adding this up here just really

443
00:18:35,919 --> 00:18:37,280
pushed it over.

444
00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:40,080
>> Okay. I guess I just helped me

445
00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,640
understand that our home is built. The

446
00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,679
lots are fenced. We're done. Like and

447
00:18:45,679 --> 00:18:47,360
it's so steep you can't do anything with

448
00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:51,600
it. And I'm and I'm wondering

449
00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,440
I'm trying to understand what what would

450
00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,080
be solved by tableabling it.

451
00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:58,080
>> Well, it doesn't meet our code.

452
00:18:58,080 --> 00:18:58,480
>> Okay.

453
00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:00,880
>> It just we can't we can't approve

454
00:19:00,880 --> 00:19:03,520
anything that doesn't meet code.

455
00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:04,799
>> I mean, at this juncture, anything

456
00:19:04,799 --> 00:19:06,960
that's that doesn't meet code, the

457
00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:08,480
planning commission has to recommend

458
00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:09,360
denial.

459
00:19:09,360 --> 00:19:09,679
>> Yeah.

460
00:19:09,679 --> 00:19:12,000
>> It still goes to city council. Okay.

461
00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,000
>> It just comes with a planning commission

462
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:16,720
recommendation for denial and they can

463
00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:18,480
do whatever they want. So, we just need

464
00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,640
to go back and try to find a way.

465
00:19:20,640 --> 00:19:23,840
>> Well, correct me if I'm wrong, though.

466
00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:27,360
Um, what we're doing here is because

467
00:19:27,360 --> 00:19:30,480
we're swapping lots or public open

468
00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,240
space, that's why it's a planning

469
00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,760
commission.

470
00:19:33,760 --> 00:19:36,880
>> It's not that this isn't allowed. If if

471
00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:38,400
this

472
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,200
>> we weren't swapping land or public open

473
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:42,480
space, it wouldn't have needed to come

474
00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,000
to planning commission.

475
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:49,669
>> Staff where just a staff decision? Yes,

476
00:19:49,679 --> 00:19:51,919
» Ryan. Is that correct me if I'm wrong

477
00:19:51,919 --> 00:19:52,559
there.

478
00:19:52,559 --> 00:19:54,080
>> Right. Right. And then I think in the

479
00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:55,520
staff report it talked about there being

480
00:19:55,520 --> 00:19:58,720
a five-sided lotsided

481
00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,039
law issue too. So our code says a lot is

482
00:20:01,039 --> 00:20:03,120
five sides or less and that meets some

483
00:20:03,120 --> 00:20:05,760
other standards. Um so if that's the

484
00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:07,360
case, if this creates a lot with more

485
00:20:07,360 --> 00:20:09,360
than five sides, it would need to it

486
00:20:09,360 --> 00:20:10,640
would also need to come through planning

487
00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:11,600
commission as well.

488
00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:13,360
>> Correct. And that's the lot down here.

489
00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:16,240
That's lot 49.

490
00:20:16,240 --> 00:20:17,039
Okay.

491
00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:21,190
>> Is it or is it

492
00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,200
» you're swapping out the top green,

493
00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:24,640
right?

494
00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:25,039
>> Yes.

495
00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:29,679
>> That adds two more sides to those slots.

496
00:20:29,679 --> 00:20:31,440
>> So, when you're doing the five-sided

497
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,880
lot, you don't count any frontage.

498
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:39,200
>> And this is all frontage on here.

499
00:20:39,200 --> 00:20:41,440
>> So, you don't count any of that. It's

500
00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:42,880
>> this lot up here will only have

501
00:20:42,880 --> 00:20:44,080
technically have three sides.

502
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,480
>> Three sides. It's this lot down here. It

503
00:20:46,480 --> 00:20:48,720
had more than five sides, but because

504
00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:50,559
we're creating one with more than five

505
00:20:50,559 --> 00:20:52,720
sides, it has to be it has to come to

506
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:58,470
planning commission.

507
00:20:58,480 --> 00:21:01,840
» So, what's what's the what are solutions

508
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:05,840
for the grade issue?

509
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:07,360
I don't honestly I don't know if there

510
00:21:07,360 --> 00:21:10,710
is one

511
00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:12,640
» and the engineer told me they're going

512
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:14,559
to look into it more to they may have to

513
00:21:14,559 --> 00:21:16,240
go out and survey it more. It's just

514
00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:18,480
from what we have to date that it

515
00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:19,280
doesn't meet that.

516
00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,760
>> So is that what we're waiting for the

517
00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,080
survey or what's

518
00:21:24,080 --> 00:21:26,880
>> we needed? So we reached out to them a

519
00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,919
week ago and they just got us stuff

520
00:21:29,919 --> 00:21:33,760
today. So we're just seeing it now.

521
00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:35,679
Um, but they said they could go out and

522
00:21:35,679 --> 00:21:37,679
reserve it if if needs be.

523
00:21:37,679 --> 00:21:40,000
>> So, you're just trying to be safe, like

524
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,840
make sure it's okay.

525
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,320
>> From from all data now, it doesn't work.

526
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,640
>> So, it moves from 14 and a half% grade

527
00:21:46,640 --> 00:21:48,480
to close

528
00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:50,000
>> 24

529
00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,320
>> overall.

530
00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:55,200
That's just between 47 and 48.

531
00:21:55,200 --> 00:21:57,200
>> That's with the whole lot combined.

532
00:21:57,200 --> 00:22:01,430
>> Yeah.

533
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,080
So, what are you recommending from the

534
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,200
staff's perspective?

535
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,360
>> I think we need to table it for now

536
00:22:07,360 --> 00:22:09,679
until we can get this all worked out.

537
00:22:09,679 --> 00:22:11,600
And it may come back and it may not work

538
00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:16,390
at all

539
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,760
» or it comes back and it's great.

540
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:20,640
>> Okay. Well,

541
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:21,360
>> okay.

542
00:22:21,360 --> 00:22:23,280
>> I guess I can't do I can't can't do

543
00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:24,720
anything about it at this point. So, all

544
00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,360
right. Got you. So unless they

545
00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:30,960
>> was that our public hearing. We didn't

546
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:31,760
open a public hearing.

547
00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,000
>> Anybody else?

548
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:35,840
>> We will open this item up for a public

549
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,039
hearing. Does anybody want to speak to

550
00:22:37,039 --> 00:22:40,470
it?

551
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,415
» Oh, well,

552
00:22:42,415 --> 00:22:44,080
[laughter] I'll be

553
00:22:44,080 --> 00:22:46,240
>> your name and your street you live on.

554
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,320
>> The reason that this is actually

555
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:48,880
>> What's your name?

556
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:51,280
>> Oh, Will Jones 7 El Court. Um, the

557
00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:53,440
reason this is actually here before you

558
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:56,400
is because in the process of doing this,

559
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,720
the open space that you have that is in

560
00:22:58,720 --> 00:23:00,880
the dark green is where the slope

561
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,960
problems come in. And what happened by

562
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,679
accident that got fenced into his lot.

563
00:23:05,679 --> 00:23:08,480
Well, you don't want that area anyway. I

564
00:23:08,480 --> 00:23:11,600
mean, that's it's steep enough that it's

565
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,799
taking a 14% lot and putting it into the

566
00:23:14,799 --> 00:23:17,760
20 plus deal. So, it's a piece of ground

567
00:23:17,760 --> 00:23:20,799
that's not important. and creating a

568
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:24,880
fifth site is I I can't I'm my numbers I

569
00:23:24,880 --> 00:23:26,720
can't quite figure out how it's creating

570
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,760
five because they're giving away

571
00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:31,200
>> we we established that it's not creating

572
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:32,480
a five-sided lot

573
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:36,240
>> on 50 49 49 it is still

574
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:36,799
>> 49

575
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:39,039
>> on 49 and I don't know how it is because

576
00:23:39,039 --> 00:23:41,280
we're giving away ground that would have

577
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,440
made it that but now it's just got one

578
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,520
line and then there so that to me that's

579
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:46,240
four

580
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,360
>> one

581
00:23:47,360 --> 00:23:49,360
>> so

582
00:23:49,360 --> 00:23:51,039
if you can see the the mouse. There's

583
00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:55,039
one line, two, three, four, and there's

584
00:23:55,039 --> 00:23:56,880
a little one here, five, and then this

585
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:58,880
one is six.

586
00:23:58,880 --> 00:24:02,320
>> I took that all as one. Okay. So, that

587
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,600
lot pre-exists as a five plus lot

588
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,600
already. And and actually, we haven't

589
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:09,760
added any more. We're not adding more

590
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:11,200
sides to it. Right.

591
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,360
>> Correct. But because it is more than

592
00:24:13,360 --> 00:24:16,000
that, it needs approval. Everything in

593
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,159
Three Falls is more than five sides due

594
00:24:18,159 --> 00:24:20,240
to the size of the lots. This is a large

595
00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:22,400
lot and due to the slope, we had to keep

596
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,000
the slopes out of them. And so

597
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:25,840
therefore, you end up with a little bit

598
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:28,880
more sides trying not to create the

599
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:30,720
slope issue. That's that's why the lines

600
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,760
are so jagged. So, um, and just a quick

601
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,760
thing on the slope. I think we can work

602
00:24:35,760 --> 00:24:37,039
something on there. I think what

603
00:24:37,039 --> 00:24:38,720
happens, and we found this over and

604
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:40,960
over, they do it from a system. They do

605
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:42,960
it from a satellite, shoot it. I think

606
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,799
when we go out and survey it that we'll

607
00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:46,880
be able to come back to you with a good

608
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,520
thing that particular piece that's

609
00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:51,840
covered that's we're giving you you

610
00:24:51,840 --> 00:24:53,600
can't even see it and that's where we

611
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,600
find the biggest discrepancy and so when

612
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:57,200
he says he's going to go shoot a tople

613
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:58,320
Jason that's what we'll do.

614
00:24:58,320 --> 00:24:59,840
>> Okay. Yeah. We'll shoot a topple on it

615
00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,240
and I think we'll do an actual instead

616
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,240
of just a supposed. Okay.

617
00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:04,720
>> That sounds

618
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:06,240
>> so I think you'll see us again.

619
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:07,279
>> Okay. Thanks. Well,

620
00:25:07,279 --> 00:25:09,039
>> thanks. Well,

621
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:11,760
>> anybody else want to speak to this?

622
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,240
>> All right. Let's uh have a motion on

623
00:25:14,240 --> 00:25:15,200
that.

624
00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:16,320
>> You bring those up.

625
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,960
>> You know, you can push the you can use

626
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:23,990
gavl because you're official.

627
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,640
» Too far. Too far.

628
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,480
Is there a motion on this one?

629
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:36,789
>> We need a motion to table.

630
00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:38,880
» Sorry, we're looking for the motion. I'm

631
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,200
not seeing the motion here.

632
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,120
I've got somebody want to do it. I've

633
00:25:43,120 --> 00:25:47,590
got it printed out here.

634
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,760
» Okay. It's not in a box.

635
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:50,240
>> Yeah.

636
00:25:50,240 --> 00:25:54,159
>> But you get to read it without the box.

637
00:25:54,159 --> 00:25:56,559
>> I I'll make a motion.

638
00:25:56,559 --> 00:25:58,400
>> I move to recommend that the proposed

639
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,039
three falls plat subdivision be tabled

640
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:03,440
based upon the following. um an

641
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:06,080
engineers report to make sure that the

642
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,880
um will fall within the city code that

643
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,120
no more than 15% of the lot can be

644
00:26:11,120 --> 00:26:14,320
greater than a 25% slope. And to also

645
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,480
make sure that in the land swap process

646
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,520
that the city is at least getting even

647
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:25,840
or winning in the process of um of that

648
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,080
land swap that we're getting better,

649
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,640
more usable land for the city out of the

650
00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,950
deal.

651
00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,159
I don't know if that's the right way to

652
00:26:36,159 --> 00:26:37,120
word it.

653
00:26:37,120 --> 00:26:38,480
>> Yeah, we might want to try that one

654
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:42,149
again. [laughter]

655
00:26:42,159 --> 00:26:43,919
» Not so rambly.

656
00:26:43,919 --> 00:26:46,720
>> No, it's the the issue is the overall

657
00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,919
grade is greater than 15%.

658
00:26:49,919 --> 00:26:54,400
>> Well, no more than 15% of the lot

659
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,760
can be greater than a 25% slope, right?

660
00:26:57,760 --> 00:26:58,880
>> That's the city code.

661
00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:01,600
>> Okay. I'm sorry.

662
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:05,279
That's what you said, Ry.

663
00:27:05,279 --> 00:27:07,279
>> Okay.

664
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:08,799
>> That's what she said. Second.

665
00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:12,923
>> So, yeah, I'll second it.

666
00:27:12,933 --> 00:27:21,350
[clears throat]

667
00:27:21,360 --> 00:27:23,600
Sorry. If I you got to go to the mic or

668
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:28,310
else you won't be heard. [snorts]

669
00:27:28,320 --> 00:27:31,279
» I I think all she's saying is um you

670
00:27:31,279 --> 00:27:32,640
you'd ask, you know, if we're going to

671
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,240
do a land swap, the city has to come out

672
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:35,520
better, which they are. They're getting

673
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:38,960
more land than we're giving up. We're

674
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:41,520
giving up the city's ending up with more

675
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,360
land in the end. So, it's it's better

676
00:27:43,360 --> 00:27:45,520
for the city. It's more usable land.

677
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,600
It's flat land. It's adjacent to the

678
00:27:47,600 --> 00:27:49,760
retention pond. So that part's

679
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,240
>> should be good for the city. I think the

680
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,960
issue in question is just simply the

681
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,480
slope percentage.

682
00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:58,880
>> Correct. Okay.

683
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:05,110
>> Thanks.

684
00:28:05,120 --> 00:28:06,720
Modify your motion or let us stand.

685
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:07,279
>> Let's stand.

686
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:08,399
>> Okay.

687
00:28:08,399 --> 00:28:10,480
>> All right. We have a a motion by

688
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,080
Michelle Schumer, a second by Troy

689
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:17,200
Slade. Any discussion on the motion?

690
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:18,960
If not,

691
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:20,880
all in favor say I.

692
00:28:20,880 --> 00:28:22,399
>> I.

693
00:28:22,399 --> 00:28:24,399
>> Any oppose.

694
00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:27,120
Allan, was that an I from you?

695
00:28:27,120 --> 00:28:29,279
>> He's muted.

696
00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:31,440
>> Allan. [snorts]

697
00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:35,760
>> For the record, Allan voted I.

698
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,480
>> All right,

699
00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:40,480
moving on. We have a public hearing for

700
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:45,029
Smooth Canyon Plat B.

701
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:46,799
Hey, before we jump into that too,

702
00:28:46,799 --> 00:28:48,159
Heidi, could you maybe turn up the

703
00:28:48,159 --> 00:28:50,480
volume a little bit? Uh, those of us in

704
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,360
Zoomland are having a hard time

705
00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:54,880
hearing some of the discussion.

706
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,200
>> The problem is Ryan, my my machine

707
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,279
wasn't working when I came in, so we're

708
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:01,039
doing it through a computer. So, we've

709
00:29:01,039 --> 00:29:03,279
got it. We'll turn up some more, but at

710
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,600
the same time, unfortunately, it's it's

711
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,600
kind of rough. We don't have a Zoom room

712
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:09,440
going. So, that's part of the that's why

713
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,600
you don't have video. So, I apologize.

714
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:13,440
>> No, that's okay. I'm following along on

715
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,640
YouTube, so that's that's good. Uh,

716
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:17,919
okay. No, that'll work.

717
00:29:17,919 --> 00:29:19,520
>> We're we're just getting feedback here

718
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:21,679
in the room when they turn the volume

719
00:29:21,679 --> 00:29:22,720
up.

720
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,880
>> Oh, fair fair. Okay, no worries then.

721
00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,840
Um, accidentally closed on my packet, so

722
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,000
it's pulling back up.

723
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:33,520
So, it looks like this is for

724
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,399
preliminary uh subdivision phase of

725
00:29:36,399 --> 00:29:39,840
Smooth Canyon Plat B. Those of you that

726
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,559
have been here for a while, um we've had a couple renditions of this go

727
00:29:44,559 --> 00:29:47,840
through um

728
00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,840
uh for your guys' review here. This is

729
00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,679
the first subdivision that we've done

730
00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:54,240
that's actually works with the state's

731
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,039
new requirements for subdivision review.

732
00:29:57,039 --> 00:29:58,880
So on the preliminary, if you remember,

733
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,640
the city council no longer looks at u

734
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,720
subdivision plats anymore. It's it's

735
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:06,240
purely administrative. Well, unless

736
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,600
there's a reason or something involved,

737
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,320
which there isn't in this case, but this

738
00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:12,399
is for Smooth Canyon subdivision phase

739
00:30:12,399 --> 00:30:15,120
2. It's got 23 lots on about 13 a little

740
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:17,039
over 13.84

741
00:30:17,039 --> 00:30:21,039
acres. Uh it's in the TR or CR 20,000

742
00:30:21,039 --> 00:30:23,440
zone. And it looks like every lot, the

743
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,520
smallest lot we had in this one was just

744
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:30,080
over 20,000 square feet. 20,7 square ft

745
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,200
is the smallest lot size in this one.

746
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:34,720
What you're looking at on is the

747
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,240
planning commission is really just the

748
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,720
planning size. Does it meet

749
00:30:38,720 --> 00:30:40,480
lot size? Does it meet frontage

750
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:41,919
requirements? Does it meet, you know,

751
00:30:41,919 --> 00:30:46,480
the use uh does it require trails? Does

752
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,320
it meet the general plan master or the

753
00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:51,039
master plan m the transportation master

754
00:30:51,039 --> 00:30:54,159
plan maps in this and and just just

755
00:30:54,159 --> 00:30:56,640
things like that. When it goes, you guys

756
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,880
will uh you guys are the approving body

757
00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:01,919
on preliminary plans. uh it'll move to

758
00:31:01,919 --> 00:31:03,600
final which is just purely

759
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:05,919
administrative. If you remember how we

760
00:31:05,919 --> 00:31:08,159
did ours in this review, the

761
00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:12,799
administrative side is um or the the

762
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:14,720
final PL is is the engineering stuff

763
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,200
that they look at. So Jason and Shane

764
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:20,240
will be involved heavily on that side.

765
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,640
Um so this looks like it meets

766
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,480
everything. If you look at the um I'm

767
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:28,000
not live again. Hold on. Let me catch

768
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:29,840
up. If you go look at the Heidi, if you

769
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,799
scroll down a couple pages to the uh

770
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:35,919
plat that's been submitted with this um

771
00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:38,080
it it's not showing this phase is not

772
00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,240
connected at all to Highland does not go

773
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,159
through the Highland side. If they ever

774
00:31:42,159 --> 00:31:44,880
do develop at a later phase, that's

775
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,720
something that they'll we'll have to

776
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:49,440
review at that time

777
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:51,519
um as part of that. But looks like it's

778
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,600
two entrances and exits, ingress,

779
00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:56,720
egress. Um so we're we're not concerned

780
00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,240
that way.

781
00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,720
And again, streets aren't

782
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:02,960
going uh to the south there on the

783
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:04,240
highland side, but that'll be in a

784
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:05,679
future phase if it if [music] it goes

785
00:32:05,679 --> 00:32:07,840
through at all. Uh if I remember

786
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:09,919
correctly, last time this went through,

787
00:32:09,919 --> 00:32:11,360
that was kind of the concerns that we

788
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:12,799
had of that that connection going

789
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:15,600
through and what that looks like. So, uh

790
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,360
we we won't have to worry about that

791
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:19,519
discussion tonight is it'll come into a

792
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:22,240
later phase. Um but yeah, from a

793
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,440
planning side, it looks like it meets

794
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,000
all the requirements on their end. Uh if

795
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,720
you remember as well, we decided

796
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,279
with the preliminary plan review, we

797
00:32:31,279 --> 00:32:33,279
decided not to require a public hearing

798
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:35,440
on these. We felt like it was a little

799
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,200
disingenuous to say, uh, yeah, we'll you

800
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,279
can come and, you know, we we'll hear

801
00:32:41,279 --> 00:32:42,720
all your thoughts, but if it meets the

802
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:44,399
code, we still have to apply uh we still

803
00:32:44,399 --> 00:32:46,480
have to approve it anyway. Where this

804
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:48,159
one has come through a couple times and

805
00:32:48,159 --> 00:32:50,640
it's had some changes in the past. Um, I

806
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,559
spoke with Shane about this uh end of

807
00:32:52,559 --> 00:32:54,799
last week, but we are going to do a

808
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:56,399
public hearing on this just because like

809
00:32:56,399 --> 00:32:58,720
I said, it's it's been it's been changed

810
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:00,320
and updated a few times and we've seen

811
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,320
this one before, but that's why we

812
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,120
didn't do public hearings uh in the

813
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:07,120
past. If it meets or we didn't require

814
00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:10,080
it in this phase, if it meets the the

815
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:11,919
planning side of the of the code on

816
00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:13,919
these, then we it needs to be approved

817
00:33:13,919 --> 00:33:17,039
as an administrative item. Uh, any

818
00:33:17,039 --> 00:33:18,480
questions or anything else I can help

819
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:20,320
with that?

820
00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:22,000
So Ryan, I have a really quick question.

821
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,320
When we've looked at this before, you

822
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:27,039
know, we had a lot of a lot of push back

823
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:28,960
from the Highland side. So this will

824
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:33,120
still you'll still go up you'll go up um

825
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:35,440
call High Bench. You'll go up High Bench

826
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:36,720
past the church

827
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:38,799
>> and this will be the right next to the

828
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:40,880
field kind of by the soccer field.

829
00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,080
>> That's the soccer field right there.

830
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,840
>> So yeah. So the next plot though where

831
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:47,200
when you're talking about Highland being

832
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,919
involved will that that road's never

833
00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:53,039
going to connect right is that right Ken

834
00:33:53,039 --> 00:33:53,840
the road going into

835
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:55,840
>> Highland will have to be yeah Ken if Ken

836
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,399
I thought I saw Ken there on Ken here we

837
00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:00,399
could talk there he can kind of discuss

838
00:34:00,399 --> 00:34:04,000
that but uh in a later phase it more

839
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,760
than likely would connect. I don't I

840
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,800
don't it it seems kind of if Highland

841
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:11,119
stepped it to that point, it it kind of

842
00:34:11,119 --> 00:34:12,320
seems like they were planning for that

843
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:15,679
to be connected one day as well. Um but

844
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,280
that's something at a future phase that

845
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:18,879
can be discussed and kind of looked at

846
00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:21,440
is is if if that connection can go, you

847
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:23,440
know, if that's something that works for

848
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,040
both parties to have that connection go

849
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:25,520
through.

850
00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:27,520
>> So all the traffic comes back down High

851
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:28,720
Venge,

852
00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:29,280
>> right?

853
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:32,639
>> As is proposed right now. Yeah.

854
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:34,480
to go.

855
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,440
>> Okay. But that So is the next plot that

856
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,280
we that's just passed is that going to

857
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,440
is that in Highland or is is that still

858
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:43,200
a pattern? So that's still a pattern.

859
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:44,960
That's still part of that.

860
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:45,760
>> Okay.

861
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:47,440
>> You're on right now. It looks like if if

862
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,359
I'm not behind that the empty fields

863
00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:51,440
there on the is the alpine side once you

864
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,440
get south that that's goes into

865
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:54,079
Highland.

866
00:34:54,079 --> 00:34:56,879
>> Okay.

867
00:34:56,879 --> 00:34:58,640
So my question is the same. Well,

868
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,240
so all the traffic comes in here and

869
00:35:00,240 --> 00:35:01,680
then it just comes back down either

870
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:06,000
Highbench or out Healey, right, Ken?

871
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,280
>> Yeah, that's that's what it looks like

872
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:07,680
from

873
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,520
>> You remember how

874
00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:11,440
Highland that little home those homes up

875
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,720
there, they don't want that road

876
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:16,000
through. Is that changed?

877
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,680
>> I wasn't here when

878
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:20,079
>> whatever the action was at that time, we

879
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:21,680
disregarded their

880
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,200
>> concerns.

881
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:26,320
>> But it can't get to this anyway. That

882
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:27,839
doesn't

883
00:35:27,839 --> 00:35:29,119
Make sure you're talking in the mics

884
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:30,000
because they're having a hard time

885
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:30,640
hearing you.

886
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:31,920
>> Okay.

887
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:33,440
>> Thank you.

888
00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,200
>> Did you hear me, Ryan?

889
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:37,280
>> I got I got my question answered.

890
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,440
>> S was just asking what the status is of

891
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:42,000
the Highlands City of Highlands concerns

892
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,119
and their citizens. But in this in this

893
00:35:45,119 --> 00:35:47,680
particular phase, it's not relevant. So,

894
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:48,560
I don't think we need to [clears throat]

895
00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:50,480
consider it.

896
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,320
>> Okay. Any

897
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:52,800
>> and if you

898
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:54,160
>> any questions before we open a public

899
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:55,119
hearing? Does

900
00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:56,720
>> the developer is here? If you've got

901
00:35:56,720 --> 00:35:58,160
questions for him, we might invite him

902
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,200
to come up and speak.

903
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,480
>> Does the developer is there's these two

904
00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:06,160
empty lots have different names, owners

905
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:08,960
names. Is the developer

906
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:11,839
own these other two lots? Any of them?

907
00:36:11,839 --> 00:36:13,839
Do we know

908
00:36:13,839 --> 00:36:15,599
>> he he's here? We'll we'll have him speak

909
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:16,000
public.

910
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:17,680
>> Okay. I'm just curious if they're just

911
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:18,640
parceling it.

912
00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:21,839
>> Yeah. All right.

913
00:36:21,839 --> 00:36:25,440
Let's uh open the public hearing. Anyone

914
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:26,880
that would like to speak to this, please

915
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,440
come to the podium and state your name

916
00:36:29,440 --> 00:36:30,880
and location. And

917
00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,480
>> uh I can actually say Kenberg, 1018

918
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,040
North Deer Crest Lane. I usually don't

919
00:36:37,040 --> 00:36:38,720
tell my address because I'm not in the

920
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:40,079
city that I'm

921
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:41,200
>> You don't have to anymore.

922
00:36:41,200 --> 00:36:41,920
>> Sorry,

923
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:42,640
>> Mara. Take

924
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:43,680
>> recent development.

925
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,200
>> That's okay. You can make my house

926
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:46,720
anytime you want. [laughter]

927
00:36:46,720 --> 00:36:52,720
Um, yes, the entire parcel is uh

928
00:36:52,720 --> 00:36:55,119
controlled by my client. They just are

929
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:56,160
vested in different names.

930
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:57,520
>> They just got it under different names.

931
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:57,839
Okay.

932
00:36:57,839 --> 00:37:01,359
>> Yep. And uh

933
00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:05,440
Susie, the second phase or plat phase

934
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,440
three would almost just be a mirror of

935
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:08,720
this one

936
00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:10,160
>> just further to the south. I can see it

937
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,680
from I went up and looked at it down

938
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:14,079
from up high and so I know how it's laid

939
00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:15,760
out but I just know that road right

940
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:17,119
there is just going to be always a

941
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:18,079
source of

942
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:19,920
>> traffic so you know.

943
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,119
>> Yep.

944
00:37:21,119 --> 00:37:21,520
>> Okay.

945
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:25,829
>> Any other questions for me?

946
00:37:25,839 --> 00:37:26,320
» Thank you.

947
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:27,920
>> I have one question. Have you had any

948
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,040
further discussions with the city of

949
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,560
Highland on

950
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:32,720
>> I know that the last time we did it,

951
00:37:32,720 --> 00:37:35,440
Highland did a study with UD do on a big

952
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,720
road going down through now central Utah

953
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:43,839
has bought the gravel pit and so

954
00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:45,920
>> that's remember how there were

955
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:50,800
>> gone away and um I think we'll just meet

956
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,119
Alpine City's transportation master plan

957
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:55,280
that says you connect the road. So

958
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:56,079
>> yeah. Okay.

959
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:57,280
Thank you.

960
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,720
>> Thanks, Ken.

961
00:37:58,720 --> 00:38:00,400
>> Um, [clears throat] wow.

962
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:02,160
>> All right. Anybody else like to speak to

963
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,160
this?

964
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:08,079
>> If not, we'll close the public hearing

965
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:11,200
>> and bring it back to the commission for

966
00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:13,839
discussion.

967
00:38:13,839 --> 00:38:16,320
>> I I will you bring that up and and

968
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:16,960
staff.

969
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,160
>> Which one? At the beginning.

970
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:19,760
>> We're going to probably need a motion

971
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,200
here, but will you just bring up the

972
00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,480
staff report on that?

973
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,720
The only thing that seemed undecided was

974
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:28,800
the water

975
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:32,240
with the the fire suppression systems is

976
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:33,760
but that's nothing we need to worry

977
00:38:33,760 --> 00:38:34,640
about.

978
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,200
>> What do you think about that?

979
00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:40,000
>> We will work with them on just sizing

980
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:41,760
and if it needs sprinklers or not. Like

981
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,520
we're we're still kind of in the process

982
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,520
of working through that, but we don't

983
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:48,400
see we're not too concerned about what's

984
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,760
there.

985
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,359
>> Is there a specific page you want to

986
00:38:51,359 --> 00:38:52,800
look at?

987
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:54,640
um [snorts]

988
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:56,800
probably the motions page, but uh before

989
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:58,480
we get there, did did we have a report

990
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,920
from Lone Peak Fire on this?

991
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:03,839
>> Yes. And they he was okay with it.

992
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:04,160
>> Okay.

993
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,920
>> They were they didn't have any concerns.

994
00:39:07,920 --> 00:39:15,589
>> Okay.

995
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:18,079
» Did we have a public

996
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:18,560
hearing?

997
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,320
>> We closed the public hearing. We're

998
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,240
ready for a motion. if you'll bring us

999
00:39:22,240 --> 00:39:26,390
to that page.

1000
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:27,920
» Again, no box.

1001
00:39:27,920 --> 00:39:28,400
>> Okay.

1002
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,640
>> But I know you can adapt.

1003
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,640
>> Are you ready?

1004
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,800
I move to approve the approve the

1005
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,640
preliminary application of Smooth Canyon

1006
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:38,720
phase 2 as proposed.

1007
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:40,800
>> Okay. We have a motion to approve by Suz

1008
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,920
Whittenberg. Second.

1009
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:44,880
>> I'll second it.

1010
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:47,359
>> Second by Troy Slade. Any discussion on

1011
00:39:47,359 --> 00:39:50,790
the motion?

1012
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:54,079
If not, we'll vote. All in favor say I.

1013
00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:55,200
>> I.

1014
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:56,320
>> Any opposed?

1015
00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:00,560
It's unanimous.

1016
00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:04,560
Uh, motion passes.

1017
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,640
Okay, we're just moving right along

1018
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:08,320
here. I thought we'd be here all night.

1019
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,599
>> Yeah. Well, there's still time.

1020
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:11,280
>> We still got the the main event.

1021
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,400
>> Don't jinx it.

1022
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:14,240
>> The main thing is the main thing, and

1023
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:18,470
that's Main Street, right?

1024
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,040
» Okay.

1025
00:40:21,040 --> 00:40:23,119
Um, for those that haven't been

1026
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:25,280
following this as

1027
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:27,440
closely as others, let me just give a

1028
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:28,880
little history lesson here. Actually,

1029
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,400
Ryan, why don't you give us the history

1030
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:30,880
lesson?

1031
00:40:30,880 --> 00:40:32,560
>> Yeah, Ryan.

1032
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:34,720
>> No, that's great. Yeah. So, if any of

1033
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:38,400
you guys remember, um, we were awarded a

1034
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:40,960
grant a little over a year ago to create

1035
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,920
a they call it a small area plan. Um but what our small small area plan

1036
00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:48,160
encompasses is Main Street and the

1037
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:51,680
Gateway Corridors. So Westfield, Alpine

1038
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:54,000
Highway, Canyon Crest were included in

1039
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,359
that as well. Um it's a little over a

1040
00:40:57,359 --> 00:41:00,160
100page document. So it's but there's a

1041
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,640
lot of great pictures in there, too. Um

1042
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:04,400
what what we did with this is we had a

1043
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,079
couple open houses. We we hired a

1044
00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:10,160
consultant um to to help with this. They

1045
00:41:10,160 --> 00:41:13,359
came multiple times. Um did some open

1046
00:41:13,359 --> 00:41:14,960
houses try to get as much feedback. We

1047
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:17,599
did a lot of surveys. Um try to get some

1048
00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:20,240
feedback and and some communications

1049
00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:22,000
from the from the residents as far as

1050
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,440
what we what this area should look like.

1051
00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,599
Um what's what's difficult in most most

1052
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:30,079
communities when they're first developed

1053
00:41:30,079 --> 00:41:32,480
um they kind of they develop a main

1054
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:33,599
street and those are kind of the

1055
00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:35,119
standards and and things that are that

1056
00:41:35,119 --> 00:41:37,599
are selected there. I think Alpine over

1057
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:39,280
the last 10 years has been trying to get

1058
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,440
those standards up to date. So, we kind

1059
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,079
of have some uniform building areas and

1060
00:41:44,079 --> 00:41:46,160
standards that we're we're working

1061
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,640
towards as we as as things develop on

1062
00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:50,400
Main Street. So, this is just a step in

1063
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:52,720
that direction to try to do that. They

1064
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:56,319
covered a a whole a bunch of different

1065
00:41:56,319 --> 00:41:59,119
items in this in this study that we did.

1066
00:41:59,119 --> 00:42:01,440
Um the planning commission instead of we

1067
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:02,800
held for the public hearing I think it

1068
00:42:02,800 --> 00:42:04,880
was back in November

1069
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,359
on this draft version of it. What the

1070
00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:08,880
planning commission wanted to do was

1071
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,720
take it piece by piece and kind of go

1072
00:42:10,720 --> 00:42:12,640
over these different chapters and

1073
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,800
different hearings and make some s uh

1074
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:17,680
make some recommendations to update it

1075
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,079
uh as part of part of this review. So

1076
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:21,280
there was a couple I think there was

1077
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:24,000
four chapters that we spent most of this

1078
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,880
time on um

1079
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,720
and you guys made recommendations. If

1080
00:42:28,720 --> 00:42:31,839
you go to the staff report on this um

1081
00:42:31,839 --> 00:42:34,400
there are we we in the background we hit

1082
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:35,920
all those motions that you guys made.

1083
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:37,520
Obviously the motion every time was to

1084
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:39,200
table this is and then we're going to

1085
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,200
bring it together. um planning

1086
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,359
commission was going to consider all

1087
00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:45,359
these and then make a motion to the

1088
00:42:45,359 --> 00:42:48,240
planning or the city council how to move

1089
00:42:48,240 --> 00:42:50,560
forward with the consulting firm that we

1090
00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,480
selected. We get three rounds of edits

1091
00:42:52,480 --> 00:42:54,640
that they will do as part of their

1092
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,800
contract. Edit one, we had a steering

1093
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,720
committee that uh the majority of the

1094
00:42:58,720 --> 00:43:00,960
city council or we had council members

1095
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,400
on it, not a majority of them, but we

1096
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,000
had council members on it reviewing that

1097
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,480
and residents uh as well have been have

1098
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,960
been part of that uh review. So, we did

1099
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,200
one round of edits there. Once you guys

1100
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,880
make a recommendation, I'll take that

1101
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,880
those motions and those changes, send it

1102
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:19,760
to the consultant. They will make those

1103
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:21,200
changes and then we'll send it to city

1104
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,520
council. City Council will also look at

1105
00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,119
it, probably make some edits, and then

1106
00:43:25,119 --> 00:43:27,280
we'll get one final round of of review

1107
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:29,440
for them uh to look at it that way. So,

1108
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:30,960
that's why we don't have all these

1109
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,440
changes in this draft right right now.

1110
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:35,040
Um that's the kind of the process that

1111
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:37,119
we're going for on this. I really want

1112
00:43:37,119 --> 00:43:38,480
to emphasize this point and kind of

1113
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,240
point it out. This is just a visioning

1114
00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:41,839
document.

1115
00:43:41,839 --> 00:43:44,319
So, it's meant to be a planning tool to

1116
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:46,240
help the city over the duration of this

1117
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,880
plan say this is kind of we've done some

1118
00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:50,400
study, we've done our homework, and this

1119
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,480
is the direction that we see that we as

1120
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:55,520
a community want to go. If this is not

1121
00:43:55,520 --> 00:43:57,680
written in code or on stone tablets or

1122
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,160
anything like that, it can be changed or

1123
00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:02,319
amended or or different things. It's

1124
00:44:02,319 --> 00:44:03,680
just meant to be a guiding and a

1125
00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,760
visioning document for the for you guys

1126
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:07,040
as the planning commission. And then

1127
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:09,119
when it goes when when things along

1128
00:44:09,119 --> 00:44:11,680
those main street and gateway corridors

1129
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,280
go to the city council, it's meant to be

1130
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:16,400
a visioning tool for them as well. Um,

1131
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,640
so just because there's zoning maps and

1132
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,960
different not zoning, uh, what do we

1133
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:24,319
call them? Character areas in this plan

1134
00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:26,079
where we kind of identify, hey, this is

1135
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:27,520
kind of what we generally like to see in

1136
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,000
this area. It's not changing zoning.

1137
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:31,599
It's not changing code or anything like

1138
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:33,520
that. It's just saying, hey, this is

1139
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,440
kind of what we want to see in this

1140
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,040
area. So when things come before the

1141
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:39,040
planning commission that fall on these

1142
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:40,960
just just to you obviously this when

1143
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,280
they go to city council as well but when

1144
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:45,119
they fall to the planning commission for

1145
00:44:45,119 --> 00:44:47,440
a zone change or a code amendment or

1146
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,200
different things like that you guys have

1147
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:50,800
this tool to say well we actually

1148
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,960
envision that area being used for this

1149
00:44:52,960 --> 00:44:56,400
type of uses and this type of things uh

1150
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,560
to help you help you make those

1151
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:00,800
decisions. Again, not written in stone.

1152
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:02,720
So, something comes up that really fits

1153
00:45:02,720 --> 00:45:04,000
and there's a lot of, you know, hey, we

1154
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:04,880
think this would be a good thing for

1155
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,520
Alpine. Just because it doesn't fit in

1156
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,960
this doesn't mean you can't do it. Um,

1157
00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:12,079
let's see. Is there anything else I

1158
00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:13,280
missed or any other questions? So,

1159
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:14,720
again, we we've had a public hearing

1160
00:45:14,720 --> 00:45:16,319
before. Uh, obviously, we're going to

1161
00:45:16,319 --> 00:45:17,839
have another one tonight to kind of hit

1162
00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:20,000
on or just to get more more public

1163
00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,079
feedback. Uh, our hope is that the

1164
00:45:22,079 --> 00:45:23,839
planning commission will will take

1165
00:45:23,839 --> 00:45:25,599
those, make a motion and a

1166
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:28,319
recommendation to move on uh to the city

1167
00:45:28,319 --> 00:45:30,400
council. so they can they can start

1168
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:34,720
their review of this as well. Um, we got

1169
00:45:34,720 --> 00:45:35,920
this grant through Mountainland

1170
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:37,599
Association of Governments MAG. So,

1171
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:39,920
we're we're glad that they were able to

1172
00:45:39,920 --> 00:45:42,880
help fund part of this. There's a Yeah.

1173
00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:45,040
Anyway, I'll I'll stop there. Happy to

1174
00:45:45,040 --> 00:45:46,960
take any questions or anything I can uh

1175
00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,839
help answer with that.

1176
00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:50,880
So Heidi,

1177
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:52,240
>> yeah,

1178
00:45:52,240 --> 00:45:54,960
>> Heidi, do we have all of our

1179
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,040
recommendations from all four meetings

1180
00:45:57,040 --> 00:45:57,760
here or just

1181
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,280
>> So you can see right here, she's

1182
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,680
compiled them kind of in bullet form

1183
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,079
>> even from our last meeting.

1184
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:06,640
>> Yeah. Sorry, I did I broke my own rule.

1185
00:46:06,640 --> 00:46:09,359
Um, yeah. So you can see each one of

1186
00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:11,839
these is a compilation. Actually, it was

1187
00:46:11,839 --> 00:46:14,000
Ryan. Ryan, was that you can speak to

1188
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:14,560
this, too?

1189
00:46:14,560 --> 00:46:16,000
>> Yep. We just took we just took the

1190
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,160
motions from the last uh the last

1191
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:20,000
sections that we had and we we compiled

1192
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,400
them there. So in in part of your motion

1193
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:23,839
obviously you would want to include

1194
00:46:23,839 --> 00:46:25,920
these. So you can just as part of your

1195
00:46:25,920 --> 00:46:28,880
motion you can in say uh including the

1196
00:46:28,880 --> 00:46:31,119
previous motions made at past city

1197
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:33,599
council meetings as uh recorded in this

1198
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:36,480
in the st in the staff report or however

1199
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:38,400
you want to word it, whatever works. But

1200
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:40,079
um yeah, we we definitely want to

1201
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:41,599
highlight those and include those in any

1202
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:44,319
motion you made to the city council.

1203
00:46:44,319 --> 00:46:46,000
This is also the time that if you feel

1204
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,000
like they weren't representative what of

1205
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,839
what you were saying, it's the time to

1206
00:46:49,839 --> 00:46:51,760
also edit them because they're not as

1207
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,480
final minutes. They're just tabled. All

1208
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:55,040
right.

1209
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,910
>> Right. [snorts]

1210
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,440
» Okay. So, how would you suggest that we

1211
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,440
run the public hearing? Do we want to

1212
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:06,560
review our recommendations first and let

1213
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,960
those assembled here? kind of get a feel

1214
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,560
for what we're recommending to be

1215
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,960
changed from the plan before we get into

1216
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:15,280
a discussion.

1217
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,440
>> Yeah, that might be help. And for my two

1218
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,359
cents, John, and feel free to, you know,

1219
00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:20,720
take it for what it's worth, but that

1220
00:47:20,720 --> 00:47:22,160
might be helpful just so the public kind

1221
00:47:22,160 --> 00:47:23,520
of knows these are the things we've

1222
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:26,480
discussed and we've talked about. Um,

1223
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:27,920
just so they're not, well, did you think

1224
00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:29,280
about this? Well, yeah, we had talked

1225
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:30,960
about it and that's why this motion is

1226
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:31,280
Yeah.

1227
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:33,040
>> is the way that it is. So, that might be

1228
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:34,560
helpful, but however you want to proceed

1229
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:37,599
is will be great.

1230
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:40,880
Okay, Heidi, is that the beginning of

1231
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:41,760
it? The

1232
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,079
>> Yeah, Troy. Troy Slade.

1233
00:47:44,079 --> 00:47:45,359
>> Oh, sorry. There you go. Do you want me

1234
00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:47,119
to make it bigger?

1235
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:48,960
>> I can read it.

1236
00:47:48,960 --> 00:47:50,480
>> Yes.

1237
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,520
>> Yeah, that's actually good. So,

1238
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,839
everybody else in the room can see it.

1239
00:47:53,839 --> 00:47:55,440
>> I don't want to make it secret. So,

1240
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:55,839
>> yeah.

1241
00:47:55,839 --> 00:47:57,280
>> Okay.

1242
00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:58,640
So, these are the uh

1243
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,359
recommendations that we have uh come up

1244
00:48:01,359 --> 00:48:03,599
with over the course of several of our

1245
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:06,960
planning commission meetings. Uh if you

1246
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,280
want more detail on what the plan is,

1247
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,960
it's found on the city's website. Um,

1248
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,000
but we went through it on a line by line

1249
00:48:16,000 --> 00:48:18,560
basis and just came up with a few things

1250
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:21,520
that we thought would be uh would

1251
00:48:21,520 --> 00:48:23,760
enhance the plan.

1252
00:48:23,760 --> 00:48:26,400
So, there was language in there that

1253
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:31,440
said uh map priority view corridors

1254
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:34,480
and we suggested replacing any language

1255
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:37,520
like that and replacing or to strike

1256
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:40,400
that language and to uh replace it with

1257
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,319
preserve open space and agricultural

1258
00:48:42,319 --> 00:48:45,359
views along Alpine Highway.

1259
00:48:45,359 --> 00:48:46,960
Um,

1260
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:52,160
second item on that CA category was to

1261
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:53,760
uh

1262
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,800
this is getting really in the weeds,

1263
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:03,190
>> how we're going to implement things

1264
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:04,000
to go to that page.

1265
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:05,920
>> Priority.

1266
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:07,920
>> No, that would require me to

1267
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:09,440
>> to skip back and forth.

1268
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,680
>> Yeah.

1269
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:14,240
So, this one is is uh mainly talking

1270
00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:17,839
about the traffic. Um,

1271
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:20,720
and the plan recommended a mini

1272
00:49:20,720 --> 00:49:22,319
roundabout

1273
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:27,920
between the current roundabout and um

1274
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:31,280
Montville Mountainville Academy. So, we

1275
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:35,359
suggested removing that roundabout and

1276
00:49:35,359 --> 00:49:38,319
to also remove the language that asked

1277
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:40,960
for a raised median.

1278
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,800
uh to create a turning lane uh at the

1279
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:46,319
school.

1280
00:49:46,319 --> 00:49:49,359
So, I think that's that covers that.

1281
00:49:49,359 --> 00:49:51,680
Scroll up a little bit.

1282
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:54,880
We we recommended reducing uh the speed

1283
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:58,800
limit on Main Street to 25

1284
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:00,559
to

1285
00:50:00,559 --> 00:50:03,760
create a temporary no left turn during

1286
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,559
school drop off and pickup.

1287
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,839
Um, use temporary ballards instead of

1288
00:50:09,839 --> 00:50:13,040
permanent median for traffic safety.

1289
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,440
Uh, this is kind of repeating that

1290
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:18,160
again. No roundabout. We got that twice.

1291
00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:25,990
Do you want to remove that?

1292
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,240
Item four is the same thing as item

1293
00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:30,079
three

1294
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:36,470
from the previous meeting.

1295
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,800
We also suggested lowering the speed

1296
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,440
limit Canyon Crest to 35 30 miles an

1297
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,000
hour before adding other traffic calming

1298
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:45,839
measures

1299
00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:49,200
um and to create a priority on creating

1300
00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,280
a roundabout at Ridge Drive and Canyon

1301
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,559
Crest and to work with UD do to lower

1302
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,200
the speed on Alpine Highway.

1303
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:01,030
And scroll down.

1304
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,200
Um this one's a little complicated. This

1305
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:05,920
had to do with the gateway of the south

1306
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,800
uh west part. South we call it southwest

1307
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:12,480
gateway. What we call that

1308
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:17,990
>> south I think just the south gateway.

1309
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,000
» So basically the Bangoder property the

1310
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:23,440
big the big hayfield. Um

1311
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:27,040
the the vision behind that is to

1312
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,839
um the plan called for a mixeduse

1313
00:51:29,839 --> 00:51:33,040
development in that area and we we're

1314
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:34,880
recommending to limit it to just

1315
00:51:34,880 --> 00:51:37,200
residential with no commercial uh

1316
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:40,559
development there and to bring that

1317
00:51:40,559 --> 00:51:43,920
residential status all the way up to

1318
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,800
um

1319
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,760
the Alpine Art Center

1320
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,160
and then go into the commercial area

1321
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,920
from there. Um

1322
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,280
because the Bangador area or Bangador

1323
00:51:59,280 --> 00:52:00,960
property

1324
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,640
um sits lower than the highway, uh we

1325
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,880
want to preserve the views looking down

1326
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:10,000
into that area to create open space. And

1327
00:52:10,000 --> 00:52:12,160
part of that is is to have a nice

1328
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:13,920
landscaped

1329
00:52:13,920 --> 00:52:16,960
um sidewalk

1330
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:20,400
uh linear park along the road. Uh

1331
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:25,280
keeping any visual impairments away.

1332
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:29,200
Uh and again, language that's not

1333
00:52:29,200 --> 00:52:31,520
consistent with residential development

1334
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:33,599
be deleted from the character areas of

1335
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,400
the field.

1336
00:52:36,400 --> 00:52:40,390
Okay.

1337
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:46,470
Scroll up. Are we Are we done?

1338
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,480
» Or did you mean down?

1339
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:49,040
>> Uh,

1340
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:50,079
>> down probably.

1341
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:51,920
>> Yeah, down. Yeah.

1342
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:54,079
>> Sorry, it's down on my computer. My bad.

1343
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:55,920
>> I I think we've gone too far.

1344
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,880
>> Do you want What would you like? Tell me

1345
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,309
when.

1346
00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:04,400
Hey, John, did you touch on the historic

1347
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,559
district design guidelines that were

1348
00:53:06,559 --> 00:53:07,520
discussed

1349
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:09,200
>> in the last meeting? No, I don't think

1350
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,200
it made it to this at the very top.

1351
00:53:11,200 --> 00:53:14,880
Okay, we we didn't start there.

1352
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:16,079
>> Oh, the this one.

1353
00:53:16,079 --> 00:53:21,109
>> Yeah.

1354
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:23,359
» Okay. So, we we made a a few

1355
00:53:23,359 --> 00:53:25,200
recommendations with regard to the

1356
00:53:25,200 --> 00:53:28,559
design standards for the Gateway

1357
00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:31,280
Historic District.

1358
00:53:31,280 --> 00:53:33,200
Um,

1359
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,440
and

1360
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:39,119
while it may not sound meaningful, just

1361
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:42,960
creating a uh

1362
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,000
visioning statement that we define the

1363
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:48,480
architecture as Utah historic

1364
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:50,079
traditional

1365
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,319
and that secondary materials be removed

1366
00:53:52,319 --> 00:53:53,920
limiting

1367
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:56,880
uh allowed materials to red brick, wood,

1368
00:53:56,880 --> 00:54:00,069
black frame windows.

1369
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,720
Um,

1370
00:54:02,720 --> 00:54:06,240
that's really all we're

1371
00:54:06,240 --> 00:54:06,960
>> I'm sorry.

1372
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:08,400
>> I think that go back to where we

1373
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,757
started.

1374
00:54:12,767 --> 00:54:14,160
[snorts]

1375
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:15,119
>> I think that covers it.

1376
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:19,280
>> I think that is Yeah, we had

1377
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:20,800
those are the different section. The

1378
00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:22,400
only one

1379
00:54:22,400 --> 00:54:24,000
>> the only one that's not summarized is

1380
00:54:24,000 --> 00:54:26,240
that one that was the chart that said

1381
00:54:26,240 --> 00:54:28,160
when do you imp implement. So really

1382
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,079
there wasn't anything that was except

1383
00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:31,760
for cleaning up language that already

1384
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:33,599
matches this I think. Yeah.

1385
00:54:33,599 --> 00:54:35,760
>> So um yeah that's all of the

1386
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:37,599
>> we changing any priorities on the on the

1387
00:54:37,599 --> 00:54:38,559
plan.

1388
00:54:38,559 --> 00:54:40,480
>> All right. So with that as a as a

1389
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,559
pretext we will open a public hearing

1390
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:43,920
and invite anyone that would like to

1391
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,160
speak to this to come forward. State

1392
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:49,200
your name uh where you where you live.

1393
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:50,880
Just tell us that you're an Alpine

1394
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,160
resident is adequate and uh tell us what

1395
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,870
you think.

1396
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:01,760
» Don't be shy.

1397
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:06,069
>> First come, first serve.

1398
00:55:06,079 --> 00:55:08,000
» And just because half of the people are

1399
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,839
on Zoom, you're doing it, but make sure

1400
00:55:09,839 --> 00:55:11,119
everybody speaks right into the

1401
00:55:11,119 --> 00:55:15,520
microphone. Okay. April Cooper, 1136

1402
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:20,079
Birch Circle. Um, I own a house on Main

1403
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:24,400
Street and I am very interested in this

1404
00:55:24,400 --> 00:55:26,960
plan, but there's a couple things that I

1405
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:28,800
wanted to mention. [clears throat]

1406
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:31,680
Um, typically years ago when people

1407
00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:34,400
would have their house maybe like 30 or

1408
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,520
35 ft back off a road, they would have a

1409
00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:39,680
driveway in the front or maybe even a

1410
00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:42,640
garage that they would pull into. And I

1411
00:55:42,640 --> 00:55:45,040
feel like you guys are designing it to

1412
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:47,119
put the parking in the back, which I

1413
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:49,920
think is great. Um, I grew up in a place

1414
00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,599
called Georgetown, and we had a lot of

1415
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:53,440
town houses and beautiful architecture

1416
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:55,280
right up on the street. My dad's a

1417
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:56,880
graduate of Georgetown. I spent many

1418
00:55:56,880 --> 00:56:00,640
years there. Um, so I like that idea of

1419
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:02,640
having the real estate on a main street

1420
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,000
closer to the street, but right now like

1421
00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,480
on your town center you have a 15 foot

1422
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:10,960
setback, but when you get to the main

1423
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:13,359
street mixed use, you have 20 foot. And

1424
00:56:13,359 --> 00:56:15,359
like on these small lots, if you go 20

1425
00:56:15,359 --> 00:56:18,240
ft back and you want parking behind, it

1426
00:56:18,240 --> 00:56:21,440
leaves the building envelope so small

1427
00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:23,599
that I can't figure out enough square

1428
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:26,160
footage to do anything to make anything

1429
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,240
pencil. And I know it's not your guys'

1430
00:56:28,240 --> 00:56:31,280
job to make something pencil, but like

1431
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:34,400
if we can't, then it'll just stay the

1432
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,720
little old house that it is forever

1433
00:56:36,720 --> 00:56:40,079
because can't make anything work. Also,

1434
00:56:40,079 --> 00:56:43,280
I have talked to I've gone to the DRC

1435
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:47,599
meetings and told them my vision, what I

1436
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:49,680
would like, and I don't know if Alpine

1437
00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:51,200
residents would like it or not like it,

1438
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:53,440
and so I'm just kind of willing to wait.

1439
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:56,319
Um, I would love to do a mixed juice

1440
00:56:56,319 --> 00:56:59,040
where um, if anyone's ever been to like

1441
00:56:59,040 --> 00:57:01,520
maybe like Caputo's market in Holiday,

1442
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,079
like a little sandwich deli market,

1443
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:06,160
maybe even a barber shop or an ice cream

1444
00:57:06,160 --> 00:57:09,520
shop and some housing above, like a

1445
00:57:09,520 --> 00:57:11,920
townhouse for

1446
00:57:11,920 --> 00:57:14,400
a 25-year-old that can't afford a house

1447
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,480
in Alpine yet. Maybe some there's a

1448
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:18,079
little bit of affordable housing above

1449
00:57:18,079 --> 00:57:20,640
it, but from what I understand, like

1450
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,720
where the hidden hidden gem is in the

1451
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,480
house behind it, that you allow

1452
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,960
commercial and residential on the same

1453
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,559
lot right now if they're in separate

1454
00:57:28,559 --> 00:57:30,559
buildings, but you won't allow them in

1455
00:57:30,559 --> 00:57:33,760
the same building. And I am waiting

1456
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,079
until you allow them in the same

1457
00:57:36,079 --> 00:57:39,599
building. Um, okay. I think that's all I

1458
00:57:39,599 --> 00:57:41,359
can Oh, yeah. No, and then one more

1459
00:57:41,359 --> 00:57:45,040
thing. As you turn the corn Okay, sorry.

1460
00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:46,319
I'm going to try to be quick here and

1461
00:57:46,319 --> 00:57:48,480
see if I can get my thoughts. I think if

1462
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:51,200
you push something close to a sidewalk

1463
00:57:51,200 --> 00:57:53,280
and a curb that it needs to have a lot

1464
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:55,680
of appeal. So, if you had like a

1465
00:57:55,680 --> 00:57:58,960
peticery or a bakery or some little um

1466
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:00,799
tables out there like in France where

1467
00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:02,000
people are sitting and they're eating

1468
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:04,160
their quasant and their breakfast,

1469
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:07,040
that's great. So, you need to have doors

1470
00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:09,119
and windows and be able to have like a

1471
00:58:09,119 --> 00:58:10,880
retail something where somebody can walk

1472
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,079
in as you turn the corner. And I see the

1473
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:16,319
plans that people have been bringing for

1474
00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:19,520
the storage units. It makes sense to me

1475
00:58:19,520 --> 00:58:24,720
that if you're entering from behind and there's not a lot and it's not

1476
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,440
consumer friendly on the front, push

1477
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,839
them way back and only allow things

1478
00:58:29,839 --> 00:58:32,240
close that are very consumer friendly

1479
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:34,400
and easy to get in and out of.

1480
00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:35,599
>> Okay. Thank you for time.

1481
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:37,119
>> Thank you.

1482
00:58:37,119 --> 00:58:39,599
>> We didn't actually say anything, but

1483
00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:41,200
normally these are three minutes. Is

1484
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,319
that what you want to go with?

1485
00:58:42,319 --> 00:58:44,160
>> That's fine. Okay.

1486
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:45,440
>> Yeah. When you hear the bell ring,

1487
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:47,280
that's your time's up.

1488
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:49,520
>> You get 10 seconds and then Yeah, it's a

1489
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:50,500
warning and then it's and

1490
00:58:50,500 --> 00:58:52,079
[clears throat] then the mic turns off.

1491
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:52,799
So,

1492
00:58:52,799 --> 00:58:55,440
>> and the floor opens up.

1493
00:58:55,440 --> 00:59:03,829
>> Sounds mean. [laughter]

1494
00:59:03,839 --> 00:59:05,920
» All right. Next.

1495
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:12,549
>> Anybody else?

1496
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:16,880
Hi, I'm Laura Cop. Um, I ha

1497
00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:19,599
Okay, let's talk about

1498
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:23,440
um Cascade Avenue.

1499
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,079
We have an amazing view.

1500
00:59:26,079 --> 00:59:28,000
Is that going to be blocked at some

1501
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:34,230
point?

1502
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,559
» Like the farm field right there?

1503
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:37,920
>> Michelle,

1504
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:41,119
>> are you talking the So there's the

1505
00:59:41,119 --> 00:59:41,760
>> microphone. Your

1506
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:42,640
>> mic. Okay.

1507
00:59:42,640 --> 00:59:45,040
>> Sorry. Um are you talking about the

1508
00:59:45,040 --> 00:59:47,119
alalfa field behind you? Yes. Are you

1509
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:48,079
the new neighbor?

1510
00:59:48,079 --> 00:59:48,480
>> Yes.

1511
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:49,040
>> Okay.

1512
00:59:49,040 --> 00:59:50,240
>> Hello. [laughter]

1513
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:51,040
>> Hello.

1514
00:59:51,040 --> 00:59:55,359
>> Um if you go to

1515
00:59:55,359 --> 00:59:56,400
Heidi,

1516
00:59:56,400 --> 01:00:00,079
>> go to the plan with the colors. The

1517
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:01,839
crayon plan.

1518
01:00:01,839 --> 01:00:05,119
>> Go to the crayon page. [gasps] I think

1519
01:00:05,119 --> 01:00:08,319
that will be the easiest way to show

1520
01:00:08,319 --> 01:00:11,040
what we've decided on this along with

1521
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:13,760
the steering committee. So, or go to the

1522
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:19,349
Yeah. The or the big one in the middle

1523
01:00:19,359 --> 01:00:21,599
» because Oh, is this it? No.

1524
01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:23,520
>> No. Keep going down.

1525
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,960
>> Keep going down to the big

1526
01:00:26,960 --> 01:00:28,799
>> I'm confused by the crayon column.

1527
01:00:28,799 --> 01:00:32,000
>> I know. I don't know what that means.

1528
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:33,520
um

1529
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:34,319
>> this one.

1530
01:00:34,319 --> 01:00:34,880
>> Okay.

1531
01:00:34,880 --> 01:00:38,240
So, in the original

1532
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,720
um document, there were three plans.

1533
01:00:40,720 --> 01:00:42,480
This one came out, but this really

1534
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:44,640
wasn't the plan that was most popular

1535
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:47,760
amongst the Alpine people, right? And

1536
01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,160
but when it came out of a steering

1537
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:54,480
committee, the the plan became instead

1538
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,880
of mixeduse commercial residential in

1539
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:59,440
the orange, which is the field to the

1540
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:03,200
roundabout behind you, it was decided

1541
01:01:03,200 --> 01:01:05,599
out of the steering committee and then

1542
01:01:05,599 --> 01:01:07,680
as well out of the planning commission

1543
01:01:07,680 --> 01:01:10,960
that this would remain blue. So the plan

1544
01:01:10,960 --> 01:01:15,440
is in in the master plan it is that the

1545
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,559
field to the ball field at the church

1546
01:01:18,559 --> 01:01:20,480
would remain

1547
01:01:20,480 --> 01:01:24,960
right now it is CR40. It's a 1 acre and

1548
01:01:24,960 --> 01:01:27,440
it will remain residential, but it will

1549
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:31,920
most likely drop down to like TR 10,000.

1550
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:34,400
But as of right now, it is planned to be

1551
01:01:34,400 --> 01:01:37,760
residential, not residential commercial,

1552
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:40,480
>> which means the height of the building

1553
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:41,760
is how tall?

1554
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:42,880
>> 30 feet is a max.

1555
01:01:42,880 --> 01:01:44,319
>> Yeah. It doesn't change the height

1556
01:01:44,319 --> 01:01:45,119
regardless of

1557
01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:46,799
>> regardless of what? No matter what,

1558
01:01:46,799 --> 01:01:48,559
>> no matter what the plan is.

1559
01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:49,520
>> 30.

1560
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:50,160
>> What?

1561
01:01:50,160 --> 01:01:53,920
>> 30 or 35? 30. 30, isn't it?

1562
01:01:53,920 --> 01:01:56,000
>> What's the max? 35.

1563
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:56,720
>> 35.

1564
01:01:56,720 --> 01:01:57,200
>> Okay.

1565
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,520
>> With the grade, it's all based on the

1566
01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:03,359
grade, but if they're if they're um most

1567
01:02:03,359 --> 01:02:06,720
of the field is flat and so it would

1568
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,240
that would be the grade level. So, it

1569
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,559
would be 35 ft from their grade level.

1570
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:12,400
>> Okay.

1571
01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:17,030
>> Thank you.

1572
01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:20,160
» Did that help? Sorry. There's the church

1573
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:21,280
owns it. We don't [snorts] know what's

1574
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,920
going to go on there.

1575
01:02:23,920 --> 01:02:24,880
>> State your name.

1576
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,760
>> Anna Lisa Thomas. I own the property

1577
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,000
straight across from the city building,

1578
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:32,240
17 North Main Street.

1579
01:02:32,240 --> 01:02:35,200
>> Um, I have similar feelings with Main

1580
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:36,319
Street. I would love for it to be

1581
01:02:36,319 --> 01:02:39,119
walkable. Um, there's quite a few people

1582
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:41,359
that have purchased property on Main

1583
01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:43,280
Street so that we can turn it into a

1584
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,520
really cute Main Street. Um, I also

1585
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:48,960
agree that we should have the setbacks

1586
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:53,760
at 15 ft. Um, again, so it's just closer

1587
01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:55,599
to Main Street. I'm in the mixed. I

1588
01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:59,200
start mixed right where my property is.

1589
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:02,000
And then, um,

1590
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,720
a big thing for me is not just doing

1591
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:07,520
retail, but also having

1592
01:03:07,520 --> 01:03:10,528
an apartment or a townhouse above it. My

1593
01:03:10,528 --> 01:03:13,680
[clears throat] concern is that

1594
01:03:13,680 --> 01:03:16,880
we don't know if retail space

1595
01:03:16,880 --> 01:03:22,240
um alone can support itself. So, if we

1596
01:03:22,240 --> 01:03:25,440
can have another source of income to

1597
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,000
help create this look that we're trying

1598
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,400
for Main Street and really give it like

1599
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:34,640
a cute European downtown look with, you

1600
01:03:34,640 --> 01:03:36,640
know, bakeries,

1601
01:03:36,640 --> 01:03:39,520
little shops like that. I think we need

1602
01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:43,280
the support from a town home or

1603
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:44,319
something about it.

1604
01:03:44,319 --> 01:03:45,760
>> And I think this plan that's been

1605
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:47,280
presented

1606
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:48,480
reflects that idea.

1607
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:49,440
>> Okay, great.

1608
01:03:49,440 --> 01:03:52,799
>> Um, again, this is a visioning document.

1609
01:03:52,799 --> 01:03:55,520
It's it it helps guide our decisions as

1610
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:57,839
we make changes perhaps to ordinances on

1611
01:03:57,839 --> 01:04:00,079
setbacks and that sort of thing. So,

1612
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:01,680
we've heard that and that would be a

1613
01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:04,079
different uh discussion at a different

1614
01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:05,200
time,

1615
01:04:05,200 --> 01:04:07,520
>> but uh good feedback. Appreciate it.

1616
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:18,390
>> Thank you.

1617
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:19,680
» Other one.

1618
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:20,480
>> Go.

1619
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:21,440
>> My [clears throat] name is Katherine

1620
01:04:21,440 --> 01:04:25,520
Johnston. I live at 1296 Oakwood Circle.

1621
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,359
I have talked to some of the people in

1622
01:04:27,359 --> 01:04:30,240
Alpine and their concerns somewhat about

1623
01:04:30,240 --> 01:04:33,839
the purple factory. What are your plans

1624
01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:35,599
for that?

1625
01:04:35,599 --> 01:04:38,000
Do you have plans for it?

1626
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:39,760
>> Well, it's privately owned

1627
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:46,160
>> and so uh whatever uh the uh

1628
01:04:46,160 --> 01:04:49,359
highest and best use of the owners have

1629
01:04:49,359 --> 01:04:51,520
will present it. We we have seen a

1630
01:04:51,520 --> 01:04:55,200
concept by the by developers that want

1631
01:04:55,200 --> 01:05:00,240
to create condominium garages for

1632
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,160
high-end

1633
01:05:02,160 --> 01:05:03,920
uh

1634
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:05,760
storage of collectible cars and that

1635
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:08,480
sort of thing. Um and

1636
01:05:08,480 --> 01:05:10,559
>> are the houses not big enough to store

1637
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:11,760
things there? Now,

1638
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,000
>> you know, it it addresses another issue

1639
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:16,160
that we face in the city and that's

1640
01:05:16,160 --> 01:05:18,319
these these outrageous garages that

1641
01:05:18,319 --> 01:05:19,599
people build. Uhhuh.

1642
01:05:19,599 --> 01:05:21,359
>> And so it actually meets a need there.

1643
01:05:21,359 --> 01:05:24,559
But anyway, yeah, um it will be

1644
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:26,480
consistent whatever happens there with

1645
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,640
our new design guidelines.

1646
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,280
>> So will that be open to public hearing

1647
01:05:31,280 --> 01:05:35,359
for people to participate into? I mean,

1648
01:05:35,359 --> 01:05:38,079
we need to um there are a lot of

1649
01:05:38,079 --> 01:05:41,200
concerns. There are just

1650
01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:44,559
>> Alpine is there no better vision for

1651
01:05:44,559 --> 01:05:46,960
that area?

1652
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:48,720
It's a pretty ugly building that stands

1653
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:49,200
there right now.

1654
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:50,480
>> Oh, it's a very ugly [laughter]

1655
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:51,039
building.

1656
01:05:51,039 --> 01:05:52,880
>> So, we're looking to improve the

1657
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,079
aesthetics here for sure.

1658
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:57,440
>> Well, have you considered innovative

1659
01:05:57,440 --> 01:05:59,520
students at the university that they can

1660
01:05:59,520 --> 01:06:01,760
come and take a look at this and maybe

1661
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:04,640
make some proposals to the city that

1662
01:06:04,640 --> 01:06:06,960
might give us different ideas or

1663
01:06:06,960 --> 01:06:07,599
different

1664
01:06:07,599 --> 01:06:10,160
>> Again, it's privately owned. So,

1665
01:06:10,160 --> 01:06:12,000
>> I that's

1666
01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,240
>> okay. Who owns it?

1667
01:06:14,240 --> 01:06:15,359
>> Purple.

1668
01:06:15,359 --> 01:06:18,515
>> Oh. Oh, Pierces. No. Yes. Okay.

1669
01:06:18,515 --> 01:06:18,880
[clears throat]

1670
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:19,359
>> Okay.

1671
01:06:19,359 --> 01:06:20,319
>> Yeah. [laughter]

1672
01:06:20,319 --> 01:06:21,359
>> Right now.

1673
01:06:21,359 --> 01:06:21,839
>> Okay.

1674
01:06:21,839 --> 01:06:24,480
>> It's been to the city council once

1675
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:27,599
>> last Tuesday and so it's sitting in

1676
01:06:27,599 --> 01:06:29,359
their court right now.

1677
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:32,960
>> So that would be the proper place to

1678
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,599
>> contact your city council members and

1679
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:37,119
have chats with them.

1680
01:06:37,119 --> 01:06:37,520
>> Okay.

1681
01:06:37,520 --> 01:06:42,319
>> Um because it's in it's in their it's in

1682
01:06:42,319 --> 01:06:43,920
the city council realm right now, not

1683
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:46,160
our realm. Right. Okay.

1684
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:48,319
>> As long as it meets historic guidelines.

1685
01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:57,270
>> Thank you.

1686
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:58,480
» Hi.

1687
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,559
>> My name is Liz. I live in uh Canyon

1688
01:07:00,559 --> 01:07:01,440
Crest.

1689
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:03,359
>> Sorry.

1690
01:07:03,359 --> 01:07:04,400
>> Thank you. [laughter]

1691
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,960
>> Sorry about that. Um I don't know what

1692
01:07:06,960 --> 01:07:09,039
page you have, but in the my cell phone,

1693
01:07:09,039 --> 01:07:11,920
page number 86. Would you be able to

1694
01:07:11,920 --> 01:07:15,760
explain that page, please? and

1695
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:18,880
um explain the print, the width on

1696
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:21,119
Canyon Crest

1697
01:07:21,119 --> 01:07:22,960
and the details behind it.

1698
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:25,119
>> Is looking up. Is this the one you mean

1699
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:27,039
or the page?

1700
01:07:27,039 --> 01:07:29,599
>> Okay.

1701
01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:44,309
>> It says

1702
01:07:44,319 --> 01:07:47,520
Um just just if I can jump in. I I think

1703
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:52,079
this is one of the choices that they proposed. This is not necessarily

1704
01:07:52,079 --> 01:07:53,599
one you recommended,

1705
01:07:53,599 --> 01:07:56,000
>> but this is one that they proposed which

1706
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:59,599
is a T. Um you did not support this. You

1707
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:01,839
were more leaning towards the

1708
01:08:01,839 --> 01:08:05,039
roundabout. Um but this is a proposed

1709
01:08:05,039 --> 01:08:07,200
one of the options that they gave. If

1710
01:08:07,200 --> 01:08:09,920
you look on other pages, they had other

1711
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:11,520
proposals as well.

1712
01:08:11,520 --> 01:08:13,839
>> Correct. So um I was looking to the

1713
01:08:13,839 --> 01:08:16,400
picture where this shows the width

1714
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:18,319
>> right there with the three cars and the

1715
01:08:18,319 --> 01:08:19,199
pedestrian.

1716
01:08:19,199 --> 01:08:21,040
>> Oh, this right. So,

1717
01:08:21,040 --> 01:08:22,799
>> let's make this bigger and see if it

1718
01:08:22,799 --> 01:08:24,400
helps. [snorts]

1719
01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:25,120
>> Not really.

1720
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:26,560
Sorry. I

1721
01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:28,480
>> I think what they're just trying to show

1722
01:08:28,480 --> 01:08:30,960
is that we want to have bike paths. We

1723
01:08:30,960 --> 01:08:32,400
want to have sidewalks that are

1724
01:08:32,400 --> 01:08:37,120
walkable. Um, and three three lanes, two

1725
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,279
one one each direction and a turn lane.

1726
01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,560
I mean it's a pretty narrow road as it

1727
01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,679
is right now. So you guys how you plan

1728
01:08:45,679 --> 01:08:46,640
to do that?

1729
01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:48,000
>> Which which section

1730
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:49,440
>> which section [clears throat]

1731
01:08:49,440 --> 01:08:51,199
>> are you are you talking the

1732
01:08:51,199 --> 01:08:51,759
>> intersection

1733
01:08:51,759 --> 01:08:54,159
>> part near Ridge down by Healey. Which

1734
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:56,080
part are you talking about?

1735
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:58,400
>> Healey Carli Avenue.

1736
01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:03,520
>> Yeah. Um the one proposal as you come

1737
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:06,480
around the bend is to remove the

1738
01:09:06,480 --> 01:09:08,880
sidewalk and that rock and push the

1739
01:09:08,880 --> 01:09:11,279
sidewalk closer to the white fence to

1740
01:09:11,279 --> 01:09:13,279
have some widening there as you're

1741
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:15,279
coming as you're beginning your

1742
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:18,239
southbound around the corner. I mean if

1743
01:09:18,239 --> 01:09:20,799
we starting in the city roundabout so

1744
01:09:20,799 --> 01:09:23,040
widening it there and then as you get

1745
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,199
>> you mean from Haley to Carl Avenue.

1746
01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:28,159
>> No I'm talking the roundabout to ridge.

1747
01:09:28,159 --> 01:09:30,960
>> Okay. They would widen the bend. Oops.

1748
01:09:30,960 --> 01:09:36,239
Sorry. And then further down they um by

1749
01:09:36,239 --> 01:09:40,719
Healey is to make a comuse path that

1750
01:09:40,719 --> 01:09:45,199
would be bike pedestrian friendly um and

1751
01:09:45,199 --> 01:09:48,880
take and a bike lane down there on the

1752
01:09:48,880 --> 01:09:50,640
>> So you would do all that with just with

1753
01:09:50,640 --> 01:09:51,679
the sidewalk.

1754
01:09:51,679 --> 01:09:53,920
>> I guess my question is how the space

1755
01:09:53,920 --> 01:09:56,480
where you getting it from?

1756
01:09:56,480 --> 01:09:59,760
Uh the engineers are telling us where

1757
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,760
that space is because there's house.

1758
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,520
>> Again, we're not we're not creating a

1759
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:05,280
detailed plan here with this this

1760
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,840
document. It's it's the ideal

1761
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:08,880
>> their thoughts

1762
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:12,080
>> and and uh how that comes to pass. I

1763
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:12,960
don't we don't know.

1764
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:15,360
>> I guess I'm not the only resident there.

1765
01:10:15,360 --> 01:10:19,280
So um is a it worries us because there's

1766
01:10:19,280 --> 01:10:21,760
a lot of houses along Canyon Crest.

1767
01:10:21,760 --> 01:10:23,520
>> Are you one that back up to it?

1768
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:25,600
>> So that's why I'm asking. backing up to

1769
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:26,960
the fence.

1770
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:28,719
>> Right. So that's why I'm asking where is

1771
01:10:28,719 --> 01:10:31,520
the space coming from because

1772
01:10:31,520 --> 01:10:33,520
>> direct question houses. Yeah.

1773
01:10:33,520 --> 01:10:34,560
>> Is that going to be affected?

1774
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,199
>> Um I've been told that no land will be

1775
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:38,239
requisitioned.

1776
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:39,600
>> Okay. For the widening.

1777
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:39,920
>> Okay.

1778
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:41,600
>> Is that is that the answer you wanted?

1779
01:10:41,600 --> 01:10:42,400
>> Yeah. Okay.

1780
01:10:42,400 --> 01:10:45,199
>> Thank you.

1781
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:48,310
>> But

1782
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,719
got her off. I don't know. [laughter]

1783
01:10:50,719 --> 01:10:54,880
>> It satisfied her. My sick name, Carl N.

1784
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,640
I live next door to Brent Rumbler.

1785
01:10:56,640 --> 01:10:57,040
>> Okay.

1786
01:10:57,040 --> 01:10:59,280
>> And your picture, your house is in the

1787
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:00,000
document.

1788
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:01,479
>> My house is right there in the document.

1789
01:11:01,479 --> 01:11:02,560
[laughter]

1790
01:11:02,560 --> 01:11:04,719
So, I'm very interested in that. By the

1791
01:11:04,719 --> 01:11:06,560
way, for the record, I support doing a

1792
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,280
roundabout. I work in my yard a lot.

1793
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,280
About once a week, I hear a crash out

1794
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:14,159
there because that intersection is just

1795
01:11:14,159 --> 01:11:14,960
terrible.

1796
01:11:14,960 --> 01:11:16,000
>> Yeah.

1797
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:18,000
>> And so, that would slow the traffic

1798
01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,320
down. But I have lots of questions. I

1799
01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:23,440
know this is not a detailed plan. Uh

1800
01:11:23,440 --> 01:11:25,520
you'll notice in that diagram there's a

1801
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:28,560
big piece of bare earth out there and

1802
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:30,719
I've always thought that I would putting

1803
01:11:30,719 --> 01:11:33,520
in that space. But part of the the

1804
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:36,960
discussion here is a standard for wood

1805
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,600
and brick and all that stuff that really

1806
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,520
wouldn't match the back side of my home

1807
01:11:41,520 --> 01:11:43,920
which is stucco. The front side's brick

1808
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:44,159
and

1809
01:11:44,159 --> 01:11:45,920
>> you're you're not in the historic

1810
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:46,560
>> you're not in historic

1811
01:11:46,560 --> 01:11:49,600
>> which I'm not gonna be imp impacted that

1812
01:11:49,600 --> 01:11:49,920
way.

1813
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:52,080
>> A homeowner can outside of the historic

1814
01:11:52,080 --> 01:11:53,600
district can do what they want

1815
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,600
>> as long as it gets past you guys. Right.

1816
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:56,719
As long as you meet your setback

1817
01:11:56,719 --> 01:11:58,640
>> as long as it meets setback and height,

1818
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,360
>> right? [laughter] So the question I also

1819
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:03,120
have is that fence that runs along

1820
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:06,000
therely vinyl fence,

1821
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:08,640
but I don't think it matches exactly the

1822
01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:10,560
look you're going for. And I'm wondering

1823
01:12:10,560 --> 01:12:13,120
if any of that improvement would be part

1824
01:12:13,120 --> 01:12:15,760
of this project. I don't even know if I

1825
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:18,000
own it or the city owns it. I've never

1826
01:12:18,000 --> 01:12:19,440
been able to get a straight answer.

1827
01:12:19,440 --> 01:12:19,920
>> Really?

1828
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:21,360
>> So, you didn't put it in

1829
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,600
>> Oh, no. No. Uh, it was pre-existing,

1830
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:24,159
trust me.

1831
01:12:24,159 --> 01:12:26,719
>> It was I'm assuming it was put in by the

1832
01:12:26,719 --> 01:12:29,040
Debbies when they developed that land.

1833
01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:30,960
>> That's my guess, too. But again, it

1834
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:32,400
doesn't really answer the question.

1835
01:12:32,400 --> 01:12:34,239
>> Yeah. No. Of who owns it.

1836
01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:36,239
>> Correct. I I've had to repair it

1837
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:38,320
multiple times

1838
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,159
>> just to make sure that I didn't have,

1839
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:42,880
you know, gaping holes in it at my

1840
01:12:42,880 --> 01:12:44,480
expense, but I don't know if I can do

1841
01:12:44,480 --> 01:12:46,880
anything. In fact, I took the risk of

1842
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:48,960
putting a gate in it so I could have

1843
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,360
easier access in and out, but I didn't

1844
01:12:51,360 --> 01:12:53,920
know if that was technically legal. I

1845
01:12:53,920 --> 01:12:57,440
just did it. So, anyway, it's one of

1846
01:12:57,440 --> 01:12:57,840
those things.

1847
01:12:57,840 --> 01:12:58,960
>> Don't tell him.

1848
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:00,880
>> J Jason's your man right over there.

1849
01:13:00,880 --> 01:13:02,640
Yeah, Jason's the guy that put that

1850
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:06,880
lovely uh sign up out behind mine that

1851
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:08,560
eventually got moved. Thank you very

1852
01:13:08,560 --> 01:13:08,800
much.

1853
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:09,840
>> Say it got moved.

1854
01:13:09,840 --> 01:13:12,159
>> It got moved. My wife's very happy about

1855
01:13:12,159 --> 01:13:13,360
that. [laughter]

1856
01:13:13,360 --> 01:13:15,600
Anyway, as we go further in this

1857
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:17,840
process, I'd like to see more detailed

1858
01:13:17,840 --> 01:13:19,120
plans on that

1859
01:13:19,120 --> 01:13:21,440
>> and make some suggestions about let's

1860
01:13:21,440 --> 01:13:23,760
make sure that this really goes for the

1861
01:13:23,760 --> 01:13:26,640
effect for Alpine. If we have a grant,

1862
01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:28,719
let's do this thing the right way and

1863
01:13:28,719 --> 01:13:29,360
>> yeah,

1864
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:32,000
>> let me know how,

1865
01:13:32,000 --> 01:13:33,760
>> you know, we can be more involved in

1866
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:34,719
that. Thank you very much.

1867
01:13:34,719 --> 01:13:35,280
>> Thank you.

1868
01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:37,360
>> Keep your eye on the schedule, the

1869
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:39,280
meeting schedule.

1870
01:13:39,280 --> 01:13:40,400
So,

1871
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:41,840
>> ask input.

1872
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:44,000
>> Yeah,

1873
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,159
>> not not to interject here, but this this

1874
01:13:46,159 --> 01:13:48,719
plan will not impact like design

1875
01:13:48,719 --> 01:13:51,280
standards and stuff [snorts] will not

1876
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,760
impact residential uses. This is only

1877
01:13:53,760 --> 01:13:56,800
for commercial

1878
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,480
uh uses like that. So So any any

1879
01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:02,159
residential wouldn't wouldn't be a part

1880
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:03,520
of this. I don't know if that helps at

1881
01:14:03,520 --> 01:14:05,120
all, but I I kind of get the feeling

1882
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:06,560
that there are some concerns about how

1883
01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,560
to affect residential

1884
01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:10,080
properties in this area. These these

1885
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:12,480
design standards, they they can apply to

1886
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:14,480
the to residential. So hopefully that

1887
01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:20,550
helps.

1888
01:14:20,560 --> 01:14:27,350
» Any others?

1889
01:14:27,360 --> 01:14:30,400
Gary Gary Cooper Birch circle. So what

1890
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,560
does this document do? Does it change

1891
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:36,560
any current zoning? Is it a precursor to

1892
01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:39,360
>> it's a visioning document and it it

1893
01:14:39,360 --> 01:14:42,560
helps us when projects come before us

1894
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:45,920
that require resoning. We'll say, "Does

1895
01:14:45,920 --> 01:14:48,640
this is this consistent with our

1896
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:49,199
>> vision?"

1897
01:14:49,199 --> 01:14:52,719
>> Our vision for specifically the the

1898
01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:56,320
gateway areas as people come and go from

1899
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:59,920
the city. Um, and in the main historic

1900
01:14:59,920 --> 01:15:01,600
main street are the three things that

1901
01:15:01,600 --> 01:15:03,040
we're talking about here.

1902
01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:04,880
>> As a planning commission, have you guys

1903
01:15:04,880 --> 01:15:06,960
talked about things you'd like to see

1904
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:10,372
come?

1905
01:15:10,382 --> 01:15:10,480
[sighs]

1906
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:12,320
>> Well, we had we've had questionnaires.

1907
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:16,640
We had really big like houses.

1908
01:15:16,640 --> 01:15:19,120
>> We we we've had citizen feedback

1909
01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:20,800
>> input for sure.

1910
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:23,040
>> But you're you're asking if if we have

1911
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:27,199
put anything out to the community or the property owners saying this is what

1912
01:15:27,199 --> 01:15:29,600
we'd like to see see you do to with your

1913
01:15:29,600 --> 01:15:31,679
property. We don't do that. No.

1914
01:15:31,679 --> 01:15:35,440
>> Okay. I And I think you the two ladies

1915
01:15:35,440 --> 01:15:37,120
covered the setback thing to make it

1916
01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:39,679
work. I know when I purchased the old

1917
01:15:39,679 --> 01:15:42,159
house across the street that's an

1918
01:15:42,159 --> 01:15:44,640
eyesore and and I haven't done anything

1919
01:15:44,640 --> 01:15:49,199
to change the eyesore um is I told Shane

1920
01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:51,679
when I said I just want you to know I I

1921
01:15:51,679 --> 01:15:53,840
purchased this house and as soon as the

1922
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:55,760
neighbors want to get on board and make

1923
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:58,159
our comm make our main street look

1924
01:15:58,159 --> 01:16:01,199
better I'm on board and I I think that

1925
01:16:01,199 --> 01:16:04,159
setback will if it allows people to get

1926
01:16:04,159 --> 01:16:05,840
things to pencil I think we'll see

1927
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:06,719
progress.

1928
01:16:06,719 --> 01:16:10,560
>> Yeah. I I I've heard from several of the

1929
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:12,640
property owners on Main Street that all

1930
01:16:12,640 --> 01:16:15,360
have a similar idea. I think you just

1931
01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:17,280
need to get together and come up with

1932
01:16:17,280 --> 01:16:19,040
what your ideal is

1933
01:16:19,040 --> 01:16:19,679
>> to rally

1934
01:16:19,679 --> 01:16:23,040
>> and and bring it to us and what changes

1935
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,920
we need to make to ordinances or uh to

1936
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:27,920
allow something like that to happen. I

1937
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:29,440
think you'll find us to be

1938
01:16:29,440 --> 01:16:30,400
accommodative.

1939
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,560
>> Okay. Because I think it's time. I mean,

1940
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:34,320
I'm not one to come here and ask for

1941
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,719
reszoning and make a lot of changes. I

1942
01:16:36,719 --> 01:16:38,560
just want to change it now. I'm on board

1943
01:16:38,560 --> 01:16:40,640
when we have a plan. This is sounds like

1944
01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:42,480
it might be the first step

1945
01:16:42,480 --> 01:16:44,560
>> towards a real good thing for for

1946
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:47,360
everyone for our community. So the only

1947
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:49,199
thing that the only concern again was,

1948
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:50,800
you know, set back so we can get parking

1949
01:16:50,800 --> 01:16:53,120
and have room and make it happen. Thank

1950
01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:53,760
you.

1951
01:16:53,760 --> 01:16:54,960
>> Thank you,

1952
01:16:54,960 --> 01:16:57,990
>> Ryan.

1953
01:16:58,000 --> 01:16:59,600
» Yep.

1954
01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:02,800
>> There's a city council committee working

1955
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,880
on this. Is that right?

1956
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:07,840
>> Yeah. So there's um they appointed a

1957
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:10,719
couple. So uh the mayor's been heavily

1958
01:17:10,719 --> 01:17:12,640
involved with it. Uh when we first

1959
01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:14,320
started this, Jessica's council member

1960
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:16,159
Jessica Smeuan was was over the main

1961
01:17:16,159 --> 01:17:17,440
street stuff. So she's been heavily

1962
01:17:17,440 --> 01:17:19,760
involved. Chrissy Hanaman's been heavily

1963
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,960
involved. Uh she's over Main Street now

1964
01:17:22,960 --> 01:17:25,280
or she was when we were doing this. Um

1965
01:17:25,280 --> 01:17:26,880
Brett Rumler's been really involved in

1966
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:30,000
this as well. U C Councilman Rumler. Um,

1967
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,719
and then Andy Spencer is a is a resident

1968
01:17:32,719 --> 01:17:35,520
that's been been heavily involved. We've

1969
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:37,120
also had several as part of these

1970
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:39,360
hearing committee or uh open houses that

1971
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:45,120
we had, we had several uh meetings with groups of residents u that played

1972
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,199
an impact in this too. And they they've

1973
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:48,880
had some that contribute here and there,

1974
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:52,960
but not as heavily as those that I've previously mentioned. [snorts]

1975
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:53,600
>> Okay.

1976
01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:55,520
>> Things are in motion. It it's it sounds

1977
01:17:55,520 --> 01:17:57,920
like we have critical mass of property

1978
01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,000
owners that are ready to do something.

1979
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:02,000
So, we ought to we ought to get them

1980
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:04,800
together and come up with a plan. It's

1981
01:18:04,800 --> 01:18:05,679
kind of exciting.

1982
01:18:05,679 --> 01:18:07,760
>> Yeah. And part of this the last open

1983
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:08,960
house we had, I can't remember what we

1984
01:18:08,960 --> 01:18:10,800
called the committee, but we we had a

1985
01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:13,120
lot of them show up. We invited as many

1986
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,040
on Main Street that we knew that owned,

1987
01:18:15,040 --> 01:18:17,120
you know, a good good amount. um we

1988
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:19,280
invited them and and a good majority did

1989
01:18:19,280 --> 01:18:21,199
show up and did uh give us their

1990
01:18:21,199 --> 01:18:23,280
feedback or send somebody in their place

1991
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:24,880
to kind of help give feedback and kind

1992
01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:26,080
of hear what's going on.

1993
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:28,640
>> Okay. Thank you.

1994
01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:32,709
Anybody else?

1995
01:18:32,719 --> 01:18:34,640
» Sure.

1996
01:18:34,640 --> 01:18:36,400
>> Sorry.

1997
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:39,669
Damn.

1998
01:18:39,679 --> 01:18:41,600
» What will be the next meeting about

1999
01:18:41,600 --> 01:18:46,640
this? And is it possible to let us know

2000
01:18:46,640 --> 01:18:49,120
like in a little in advance because the

2001
01:18:49,120 --> 01:18:51,520
sign went up on Monday about this I

2002
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,840
think or Tuesday.

2003
01:18:53,840 --> 01:18:55,679
>> I think there's been I think we've

2004
01:18:55,679 --> 01:18:57,920
actually had it noticed quite a bit. But

2005
01:18:57,920 --> 01:18:59,280
if there are ways we can

2006
01:18:59,280 --> 01:19:00,480
>> Well, Heidi posts that right.

2007
01:19:00,480 --> 01:19:06,880
>> Yeah. um it did go up last week, but the problem is that we had a weird April

2008
01:19:06,880 --> 01:19:08,960
because we actually don't have a meeting

2009
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,199
next week or the following one and so

2010
01:19:11,199 --> 01:19:14,080
they ended up moving it to today because

2011
01:19:14,080 --> 01:19:16,080
they didn't want to wait till May. So

2012
01:19:16,080 --> 01:19:18,080
unfortunately that is what happened

2013
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:20,880
here. That said, this is not the final

2014
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:23,920
moment. These now go to city council and

2015
01:19:23,920 --> 01:19:25,520
then there'll be a whole another round

2016
01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:27,440
of the discussions and the way to get

2017
01:19:27,440 --> 01:19:29,760
input and all of those things. So, I

2018
01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,239
would urge you to do one two things.

2019
01:19:32,239 --> 01:19:35,679
One, watch Facebook and and I'll follow

2020
01:19:35,679 --> 01:19:37,360
us on Facebook so you're very aware of

2021
01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:39,199
what's going on or Instagram, whatever

2022
01:19:39,199 --> 01:19:42,320
your favorite is. Um, you can also do

2023
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:46,239
Twitter. Um, the other one is to go out

2024
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:48,320
online on our website and there is a

2025
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,800
link where you can put in your comments

2026
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:54,239
and so they will get that which Yeah.

2027
01:19:54,239 --> 01:19:57,600
And so um you know she can write it and

2028
01:19:57,600 --> 01:19:59,120
you can also come to the other ones but

2029
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:00,640
if you follow us on Facebook then you'll

2030
01:20:00,640 --> 01:20:03,040
know about all the meetings because and

2031
01:20:03,040 --> 01:20:04,800
then of course the news line for all of

2032
01:20:04,800 --> 01:20:06,880
those that prefer in writing in writing.

2033
01:20:06,880 --> 01:20:07,920
So that's where it is.

2034
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:09,440
>> So any idea when will be the next

2035
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:10,239
meeting about this?

2036
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:13,120
>> Um Ryan do you have any idea how long it

2037
01:20:13,120 --> 01:20:14,880
will take? I mean it depends on if

2038
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:16,159
>> come back to planning commission. So the

2039
01:20:16,159 --> 01:20:17,520
next [clears throat] planning commission

2040
01:20:17,520 --> 01:20:18,080
city council

2041
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:19,760
>> city council but we try really hard to

2042
01:20:19,760 --> 01:20:20,880
get word out.

2043
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:21,360
>> Okay.

2044
01:20:21,360 --> 01:20:23,040
>> Yeah we do. And then the other thing is

2045
01:20:23,040 --> 01:20:24,960
it depends on if city council wants to

2046
01:20:24,960 --> 01:20:27,360
break it up like you guys did. So that

2047
01:20:27,360 --> 01:20:30,320
could be a fiveweek process again

2048
01:20:30,320 --> 01:20:31,440
depending on what they do.

2049
01:20:31,440 --> 01:20:31,920
>> Sounds good.

2050
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:32,400
>> All right.

2051
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,239
>> Thank you so much. Thanks for being so

2052
01:20:34,239 --> 01:20:34,719
interesting.

2053
01:20:34,719 --> 01:20:36,400
>> Heidi is city council meeting.

2054
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:37,920
>> You answer that perfect, Heidi. That's

2055
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:39,360
exactly what I was going to say. So good

2056
01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:40,960
work.

2057
01:20:40,960 --> 01:20:42,560
>> And city council I don't know when

2058
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,320
they're going to start this but they

2059
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:46,719
didn't have the same date conflicts. So

2060
01:20:46,719 --> 01:20:48,480
they will be meeting twice this month.

2061
01:20:48,480 --> 01:20:48,880
So

2062
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:57,669
>> twice.

2063
01:20:57,679 --> 01:21:01,520
Hi. Hi, John Nash, Alpine Resident. I've

2064
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:05,120
talked plenty of times here. Um, so main

2065
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:09,199
questions I have and comments, I guess.

2066
01:21:09,199 --> 01:21:11,679
One, the comment section online, like

2067
01:21:11,679 --> 01:21:16,000
the little portal, it's not very robust

2068
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:17,840
for actually making comments. that was

2069
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:19,920
like I've I've gone and looked at it and

2070
01:21:19,920 --> 01:21:22,960
made comment there and was like tell us

2071
01:21:22,960 --> 01:21:26,159
how you like this plan but then it's not

2072
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:29,120
really in a way to actually provide real

2073
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:31,840
feedback on it. So be wondering if

2074
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,040
there's any way to improve that. Um the

2075
01:21:35,040 --> 01:21:38,640
other kind of comments I've had I'm you

2076
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:40,239
know all for an idea of improving

2077
01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:43,760
Alpine. Um, I'm wondering what's still

2078
01:21:43,760 --> 01:21:46,000
being done about traffic coming into

2079
01:21:46,000 --> 01:21:48,480
town and the idea of adding more

2080
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:52,080
business or traffic coming into town

2081
01:21:52,080 --> 01:21:54,320
while we still have existing traffic

2082
01:21:54,320 --> 01:21:57,760
problems causes me angst. Um especially

2083
01:21:57,760 --> 01:21:59,920
because we're talking about our main

2084
01:21:59,920 --> 01:22:02,639
corridor into town and as I'm sitting

2085
01:22:02,639 --> 01:22:05,520
here I'm hearing cars go back and forth,

2086
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:07,600
you know, kind of non-stop. And so

2087
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:10,800
adding additional traffic into town

2088
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,440
causes me some concern and what I'd like

2089
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:14,800
to know what's going to be done about

2090
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:18,239
that. And then additionally, parking in

2091
01:22:18,239 --> 01:22:21,360
town. Again, if we're adding businesses,

2092
01:22:21,360 --> 01:22:23,280
I'm sure most of you have seen there's a

2093
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:25,520
handful of businesses here that have

2094
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:28,400
parking lots. Um, but anytime there's

2095
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:31,199
either a pumpkin patch, let's say, or

2096
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:32,719
you know, pumpkins, that whole thing

2097
01:22:32,719 --> 01:22:35,440
gets clobbed up real quick. So, if we

2098
01:22:35,440 --> 01:22:36,960
have other businesses, boutiques,

2099
01:22:36,960 --> 01:22:40,239
whatever in town, where people parking

2100
01:22:40,239 --> 01:22:42,159
because there's only limited street

2101
01:22:42,159 --> 01:22:43,679
surface space, but if we're having a

2102
01:22:43,679 --> 01:22:46,560
bike lane and a a walking area and a

2103
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:49,199
sidewalk and and a this and you know,

2104
01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:51,760
three lanes and

2105
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:54,320
where people parking um because then

2106
01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,400
that the option is I guess you're now

2107
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:58,400
parking in someone's driveway that lives

2108
01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:00,080
around town. You're parking in the

2109
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,560
neighborhoods around town, which living

2110
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,360
in this area is not very pleasant when

2111
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:07,040
you're trying to come through and just

2112
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:08,480
get home and you're trying not to run

2113
01:23:08,480 --> 01:23:11,199
over a kid who's darting out. And if we

2114
01:23:11,199 --> 01:23:13,040
having businesses and other boutiques,

2115
01:23:13,040 --> 01:23:15,280
which you know, yeah, it'd be great to

2116
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:18,400
have somewhere to eat, but um if if

2117
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:23,280
someone is again lots of traffic, what are we doing as far as you know,

2118
01:23:23,280 --> 01:23:26,639
safety and all that goes? um with again

2119
01:23:26,639 --> 01:23:28,960
as much influx and outfllex as we'll

2120
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:30,880
probably be having,

2121
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:32,880
you know, because of the additional

2122
01:23:32,880 --> 01:23:33,920
business. I mean, right now it's

2123
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:36,080
primarily residential, so there's a

2124
01:23:36,080 --> 01:23:39,040
concern there. Um, you know, my kids are

2125
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:41,679
out here pretty regularly. Um, I'm out

2126
01:23:41,679 --> 01:23:43,600
here with my dog pretty regularly and

2127
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:45,360
even at night, 10 o'clock at night, I'm

2128
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:47,440
walking down and there's cars driving

2129
01:23:47,440 --> 01:23:49,600
down Main Street and, you know, making

2130
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,960
sure, you know, we're just being safe

2131
01:23:52,960 --> 01:23:56,000
drive walking around. So, that would be

2132
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,840
my main concerns. I'd love to hear kind

2133
01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:00,080
of impact or or thoughts on how that's

2134
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:01,840
going to be addressed going forward with

2135
01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:03,199
this whole plan. It doesn't seem like

2136
01:24:03,199 --> 01:24:05,199
it's really

2137
01:24:05,199 --> 01:24:07,120
been heavily addressed other than, hey,

2138
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:11,199
we got this idea, we're this. So

2139
01:24:11,199 --> 01:24:14,320
>> yeah, it the plan does address some of

2140
01:24:14,320 --> 01:24:17,120
those concerns. Uh and specifically the

2141
01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:18,800
planning commission has recommended

2142
01:24:18,800 --> 01:24:21,199
several cons items as I mentioned

2143
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:24,000
reducing the speed limits uh on our on

2144
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,880
our uh gateways. Um

2145
01:24:26,880 --> 01:24:29,040
>> microphone it's on. I'm just not

2146
01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:30,400
speaking into it.

2147
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:34,000
>> Um so I appreciate your comments and as

2148
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:36,000
always that that is safety is a concern

2149
01:24:36,000 --> 01:24:37,520
for us.

2150
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:38,800
>> Okay.

2151
01:24:38,800 --> 01:24:40,400
And just to add to your first comment,

2152
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:42,159
if you have suggestions how to um

2153
01:24:42,159 --> 01:24:44,239
improve the form for form, email me and

2154
01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:46,159
I can make it's just been universal

2155
01:24:46,159 --> 01:24:47,679
since the very beginning. So, we've kept

2156
01:24:47,679 --> 01:24:49,199
it consistent, but we can improve it.

2157
01:24:49,199 --> 01:24:51,360
There's that's not hard.

2158
01:24:51,360 --> 01:24:53,440
>> And I think that's what the 15oot

2159
01:24:53,440 --> 01:24:55,840
setback's trying to do also is to create

2160
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:59,120
some of the back parking right behind

2161
01:24:59,120 --> 01:25:01,920
pull the pull the commercial a little

2162
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,080
bit forward

2163
01:25:04,080 --> 01:25:06,159
>> so that some of that parking can be

2164
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:09,280
behind. I know they've talked about

2165
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,560
closing one side of the road to parking.

2166
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:15,040
That was recommended. I don't know. We

2167
01:25:15,040 --> 01:25:17,520
didn't recom talk about that, but

2168
01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:18,480
>> any progress?

2169
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:20,239
>> I don't know what how that's going

2170
01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:24,470
forward.

2171
01:25:24,480 --> 01:25:29,120
» All right. Any other public comments?

2172
01:25:29,120 --> 01:25:32,080
>> One really fast question. What is the

2173
01:25:32,080 --> 01:25:34,239
setback requirement on a back lot?

2174
01:25:34,239 --> 01:25:35,840
Because I back up. microphone.

2175
01:25:35,840 --> 01:25:38,320
>> What is the setback requirement on the

2176
01:25:38,320 --> 01:25:41,120
back of my lot as I back up to Canest?

2177
01:25:41,120 --> 01:25:43,520
Is it the standard 20 ft? Is that going

2178
01:25:43,520 --> 01:25:46,080
to be maintained?

2179
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:51,910
>> Okay. Thank you.

2180
01:25:51,920 --> 01:25:54,480
» Okay. If there's no more comments, we'll

2181
01:25:54,480 --> 01:25:56,880
close the public hearing,

2182
01:25:56,880 --> 01:25:59,360
bring the uh

2183
01:25:59,360 --> 01:26:01,600
agenda item back to the commission for

2184
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:04,880
discussion. This one.

2185
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:07,354
This has a box.

2186
01:26:07,354 --> 01:26:08,639
[laughter]

2187
01:26:08,639 --> 01:26:10,960
>> You overachiever.

2188
01:26:10,960 --> 01:26:12,639
>> Not me. Tell Ryan.

2189
01:26:12,639 --> 01:26:14,239
>> Okay,

2190
01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:15,440
>> there you go. That's the right way.

2191
01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:15,679
Right.

2192
01:26:15,679 --> 01:26:18,320
>> So, I guess my question to the

2193
01:26:18,320 --> 01:26:21,920
commission is how do we feel about

2194
01:26:21,920 --> 01:26:23,600
>> the collection of recommendations that

2195
01:26:23,600 --> 01:26:25,840
we're making? Are they complete? Are

2196
01:26:25,840 --> 01:26:28,000
they adequate? Is there anything that

2197
01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:29,920
you've heard that we need to change or

2198
01:26:29,920 --> 01:26:32,899
add or comment on?

2199
01:26:32,899 --> 01:26:33,679
>> [snorts]

2200
01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:36,639
>> Do we address the setback that that's

2201
01:26:36,639 --> 01:26:38,800
been brought up in this meeting?

2202
01:26:38,800 --> 01:26:40,639
>> I I think that's an ordinance issue. I

2203
01:26:40,639 --> 01:26:41,120
mean, we've

2204
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:44,000
>> more of a we've already talked the plan

2205
01:26:44,000 --> 01:26:45,360
addresses a

2206
01:26:45,360 --> 01:26:45,679
>> right

2207
01:26:45,679 --> 01:26:48,320
>> mixed use commercial

2208
01:26:48,320 --> 01:26:52,320
>> and and it addresses bringing the uh the

2209
01:26:52,320 --> 01:26:54,560
buildings closer to the street,

2210
01:26:54,560 --> 01:26:56,480
>> right? But we would we would need to go

2211
01:26:56,480 --> 01:26:58,800
into changing ordinances to make that

2212
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:00,410
effectual

2213
01:27:00,410 --> 01:27:00,560
[snorts]

2214
01:27:00,560 --> 01:27:01,679
>> which is not part of this.

2215
01:27:01,679 --> 01:27:03,760
>> But that's but the document does give us

2216
01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:04,639
that latitude.

2217
01:27:04,639 --> 01:27:07,600
>> Right.

2218
01:27:07,600 --> 01:27:09,920
>> I I feel like we've went over things.

2219
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:11,520
>> Turn it on. Your mic.

2220
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:13,520
>> My mic is on. I just will put my mouth

2221
01:27:13,520 --> 01:27:14,000
right here.

2222
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:14,560
>> There you go.

2223
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,480
>> Okay.

2224
01:27:16,480 --> 01:27:19,120
No, I feel like we've uh been pretty

2225
01:27:19,120 --> 01:27:20,719
thorough about breaking it up. I like

2226
01:27:20,719 --> 01:27:24,080
the way we approached it. Um, you know,

2227
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:27,280
and discussed everything. I feel like I

2228
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,040
feel like

2229
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:33,189
we've been pretty complete,

2230
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:34,880
you know, in our review of the things

2231
01:27:34,880 --> 01:27:36,239
that we're

2232
01:27:36,239 --> 01:27:38,880
>> we're responsible for.

2233
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:40,159
We I mean, we didn't review the whole

2234
01:27:40,159 --> 01:27:41,520
thing, but we're not responsible, you

2235
01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:43,440
know, I mean, for the whole thing. So,

2236
01:27:43,440 --> 01:27:45,440
>> yeah.

2237
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:47,520
>> I'm anxious to get it to city council to

2238
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,040
see what because they're going to want

2239
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,040
to add to some things and

2240
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:53,360
>> add in that are you know important and I

2241
01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:59,189
loved the feedback from our citizens.

2242
01:27:59,199 --> 01:28:00,800
» I [laughter] said I loved the input from

2243
01:28:00,800 --> 01:28:02,880
the citizens.

2244
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:05,199
>> I am the microphone nag. Sorry.

2245
01:28:05,199 --> 01:28:06,566
>> Seriously, I'm scared of you now.

2246
01:28:06,566 --> 01:28:07,760
[laughter]

2247
01:28:07,760 --> 01:28:09,600
>> All right, Alan, have you listened into

2248
01:28:09,600 --> 01:28:13,350
all of this?

2249
01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:14,400
» Yes. Can you hear me?

2250
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,400
>> I can hear you. Great.

2251
01:28:16,400 --> 01:28:19,600
>> Yeah. I I mean, like Ryan, I I can't see

2252
01:28:19,600 --> 01:28:22,560
visually anything. I've had to toggle

2253
01:28:22,560 --> 01:28:27,360
from from uh basically the Zoom call

2254
01:28:27,360 --> 01:28:31,520
over to the YouTube

2255
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:35,679
uh broadcast which is about

2256
01:28:35,679 --> 01:28:38,880
15 20 seconds behind and then back over

2257
01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:43,120
to the the Google doc for the agenda. So

2258
01:28:43,120 --> 01:28:45,600
little difficult and frankly I can hear

2259
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:47,600
everybody at the comes to the podium

2260
01:28:47,600 --> 01:28:50,320
very clearly. Uh and Ryan and I have

2261
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:51,679
been discussing a little bit offline

2262
01:28:51,679 --> 01:28:54,000
that we just can't hardly hear a thing

2263
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:55,840
that uh the planning commission is

2264
01:28:55,840 --> 01:28:58,239
saying through their microphone. So for

2265
01:28:58,239 --> 01:28:59,920
whatever reason tonight the technology

2266
01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:04,000
has been uh really really difficult but

2267
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:05,840
trying to follow. Yes.

2268
01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:08,320
>> Okay. Well I think we're at the juncture

2269
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:12,320
where we're ready to receive a motion.

2270
01:29:12,320 --> 01:29:15,440
>> Okay. on the uh

2271
01:29:15,440 --> 01:29:17,840
Gateway and

2272
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:20,000
uh Main Street.

2273
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:22,800
>> Okay. Well, um I'm happy to to make an

2274
01:29:22,800 --> 01:29:25,760
attempt at a motion um even though it's

2275
01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:29,120
a a little hard remotely, but quick

2276
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:32,159
question for Ryan. I I see the motion

2277
01:29:32,159 --> 01:29:34,719
that is that is in the box as Heidi has

2278
01:29:34,719 --> 01:29:37,280
referenced it. Um did you mention that

2279
01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:40,080
there was you know any kind of a need to

2280
01:29:40,080 --> 01:29:43,040
incorporate into a motion uh anything

2281
01:29:43,040 --> 01:29:44,719
other than the revisions and the

2282
01:29:44,719 --> 01:29:47,360
direction uh provided by the planning

2283
01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:48,560
commission?

2284
01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:50,639
>> Um I would I would just include all the

2285
01:29:50,639 --> 01:29:51,920
motions that you've made that are

2286
01:29:51,920 --> 01:29:53,840
included in the staff report as part of

2287
01:29:53,840 --> 01:29:55,600
that. I just went through your last

2288
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:57,360
meetings and and took all those motions

2289
01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,840
and put them together just so all that's

2290
01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:06,639
included into one u one clean easy to use motion. And so I would just recommend including those

2291
01:30:06,639 --> 01:30:10,320
as as part of your final motion tonight.

2292
01:30:10,320 --> 01:30:10,800
>> Okay.

2293
01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:14,560
>> By by reference, not not

2294
01:30:14,560 --> 01:30:17,520
>> specifically in detail.

2295
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:18,800
>> All right, John, if you feel like it's

2296
01:30:18,800 --> 01:30:20,159
time, I'll take a stab at it.

2297
01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:22,880
>> Go for it.

2298
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:25,920
Uh, I move to recommend approval of the

2299
01:30:25,920 --> 01:30:28,080
proposed Main Street and Gateway

2300
01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:32,719
Corridor master plan draft

2301
01:30:32,719 --> 01:30:34,400
incorporating the revisions and

2302
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,719
direction previously provided by the

2303
01:30:36,719 --> 01:30:40,239
planning commission. uh as contained in

2304
01:30:40,239 --> 01:30:44,639
the uh motions that have been prepared

2305
01:30:44,639 --> 01:30:48,000
for us in the staff reports that are a

2306
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:52,080
part of the record that we have reviewed

2307
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:55,510
tonight.

2308
01:30:55,520 --> 01:30:57,440
» All right.

2309
01:30:57,440 --> 01:31:00,239
Motion by Allen. Is there a second?

2310
01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:01,440
>> I'll second it.

2311
01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:03,840
>> Troy Slade seconds the motion. Any

2312
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:10,790
discussion on the motion?

2313
01:31:10,800 --> 01:31:14,560
Yeah. No discussion. We'll vote on it.

2314
01:31:14,560 --> 01:31:16,639
All in favor say I.

2315
01:31:16,639 --> 01:31:18,800
>> I.

2316
01:31:18,800 --> 01:31:22,159
All against say nay.

2317
01:31:22,159 --> 01:31:29,750
The motion carries unanimously

2318
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:32,639
and we will move on.

2319
01:31:32,639 --> 01:31:33,840
Communications. Do we have

2320
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:41,189
communications?

2321
01:31:41,199 --> 01:31:46,550
Ryan,

2322
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:48,560
» sorry guys, I was muted. No, I don't I

2323
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:50,800
don't have anything. Um, I've been told

2324
01:31:50,800 --> 01:31:56,239
the uh new I can't see anybody, but uh I think they've been calling it the

2325
01:31:56,239 --> 01:32:04,229
upgrade starts started today. So exced

2326
01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:07,360
today. So his name is Kaden Lang. He is

2327
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:10,000
the new and improved Ryan.

2328
01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:15,920
>> Um no, he'll never replace Ryan. Um

2329
01:32:15,920 --> 01:32:17,920
anyway, he started today. He wasn't able

2330
01:32:17,920 --> 01:32:19,679
to come tonight, but he'll be here

2331
01:32:19,679 --> 01:32:22,480
future. He'll be phasing me out and him

2332
01:32:22,480 --> 01:32:24,880
in, so that'll be good.

2333
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:26,239
>> And um

2334
01:32:26,239 --> 01:32:27,840
>> I'm glad to know his name. Like I said,

2335
01:32:27,840 --> 01:32:29,120
I' I've just been calling him the

2336
01:32:29,120 --> 01:32:30,400
upgrade or the improvement. [laughter]

2337
01:32:30,400 --> 01:32:32,880
So Ken Ken will work, too. But no, he's

2338
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:34,159
been great. He's been reaching out and

2339
01:32:34,159 --> 01:32:35,280
I'm excited for you guys to get to work

2340
01:32:35,280 --> 01:32:36,639
with him. I think that'll be a I think

2341
01:32:36,639 --> 01:32:38,639
he'll be really good. So excited for

2342
01:32:38,639 --> 01:32:39,520
that. And just thank you for all the

2343
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:40,960
work you've done on this main street

2344
01:32:40,960 --> 01:32:43,520
plan. I know it's it's it's not perfect

2345
01:32:43,520 --> 01:32:44,960
and it's, you know, there's there's

2346
01:32:44,960 --> 01:32:46,239
still work to be done, but I think you

2347
01:32:46,239 --> 01:32:48,159
guys have done a fantastic job in

2348
01:32:48,159 --> 01:32:49,760
reviewing it and getting it ready to

2349
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:51,280
recommend to the council. So, thanks for

2350
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:52,560
all your hard work on that.

2351
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:54,000
>> We're gonna miss you, Ryan.

2352
01:32:54,000 --> 01:32:55,360
>> Thank you, Ryan.

2353
01:32:55,360 --> 01:32:57,199
>> Oh, no. You guys are great. Yeah. And

2354
01:32:57,199 --> 01:32:59,520
yeah, reach out. I'm happy to happy to

2355
01:32:59,520 --> 01:33:01,199
discuss and whatever I can do to help.

2356
01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:03,199
So don't don't hesitate to reach out.

2357
01:33:03,199 --> 01:33:04,800
>> Okay.

2358
01:33:04,800 --> 01:33:05,679
>> Thank you.

2359
01:33:05,679 --> 01:33:06,960
>> Great.

2360
01:33:06,960 --> 01:33:07,760
>> All right.

2361
01:33:07,760 --> 01:33:09,280
>> What's his last name? Heidi Lane.

2362
01:33:09,280 --> 01:33:10,000
>> Lane.

2363
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:10,719
>> Oh, Lane.

2364
01:33:10,719 --> 01:33:11,040
>> Yeah.

2365
01:33:11,040 --> 01:33:12,800
>> Just L E.

2366
01:33:12,800 --> 01:33:16,880
>> L A N E like the small street.

2367
01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:17,760
>> Small street.

2368
01:33:17,760 --> 01:33:19,280
>> All right. Has anyone reviewed the

2369
01:33:19,280 --> 01:33:22,480
minutes? Ready to make a motion on

2370
01:33:22,480 --> 01:33:25,440
>> I did not read them this time.

2371
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:26,560
Yes.

2372
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:30,080
>> Oh, Troy, there's one part that I was

2373
01:33:30,080 --> 01:33:32,320
talking to Heidi about. Um, that

2374
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:34,400
probably should not be included because

2375
01:33:34,400 --> 01:33:36,560
it's more of her her notes. Correct,

2376
01:33:36,560 --> 01:33:37,600
Heidi?

2377
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:39,600
>> Yeah, I'll just Thanks, Troy. I asked

2378
01:33:39,600 --> 01:33:42,000
him just to kind of let you on page I

2379
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:45,120
just printed it out. Sorry. Sorry, Alan.

2380
01:33:45,120 --> 01:33:49,280
There's a section that I had um can uh

2381
01:33:49,280 --> 01:33:51,840
city council needed the the permit the

2382
01:33:51,840 --> 01:33:55,040
unc the conditional use permit text but

2383
01:33:55,040 --> 01:33:57,360
it hadn't been approved yet. So I just

2384
01:33:57,360 --> 01:34:00,480
took an excerpt and and had it for city

2385
01:34:00,480 --> 01:34:02,080
council just so they were aware before

2386
01:34:02,080 --> 01:34:04,800
these were approved. I gave them to Mara

2387
01:34:04,800 --> 01:34:07,040
to um so we could work together on

2388
01:34:07,040 --> 01:34:08,400
getting the verbiage together.

2389
01:34:08,400 --> 01:34:10,960
Unfortunately got left in. So it needs

2390
01:34:10,960 --> 01:34:13,280
to not where that line starts is the

2391
01:34:13,280 --> 01:34:15,520
section that I did that is not part of

2392
01:34:15,520 --> 01:34:18,320
the minutes. It's just what I I notated

2393
01:34:18,320 --> 01:34:20,880
from the the the video. So what I would

2394
01:34:20,880 --> 01:34:22,880
just suggest and I gave you a piece of

2395
01:34:22,880 --> 01:34:24,880
paper is to take the motion verbiage

2396
01:34:24,880 --> 01:34:27,600
that John did, put it at the beginning

2397
01:34:27,600 --> 01:34:30,880
of the italics where Mara

2398
01:34:30,880 --> 01:34:33,040
made the changes and then delete the

2399
01:34:33,040 --> 01:34:34,719
section that was just my word document

2400
01:34:34,719 --> 01:34:36,719
that I stuck in there. So, I just wanted

2401
01:34:36,719 --> 01:34:38,239
to make them accurate that there's

2402
01:34:38,239 --> 01:34:40,560
another line on the next page. I mean, I

2403
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:44,560
can go to it. Um, you'll see that it's

2404
01:34:44,560 --> 01:34:46,159
just stuck in there and there's no

2405
01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:49,360
reason for it because I just there's it

2406
01:34:49,360 --> 01:34:51,120
doesn't make sense. Actually, it needs

2407
01:34:51,120 --> 01:34:52,880
to catch up. Sorry, it's not going. But,

2408
01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:54,960
so there's just it's it's just clearly a

2409
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:57,120
line

2410
01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:59,760
and it um

2411
01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:01,600
>> does that make sense? It just got in

2412
01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:05,120
there. Ryan uh Ryan took it before Mara

2413
01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:10,080
had taken it out. So that's all it was um it just inadvertently got in

2414
01:35:10,080 --> 01:35:12,239
there

2415
01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:15,440
if that makes sense.

2416
01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:17,120
>> Trying to find it. Sorry. I

2417
01:35:17,120 --> 01:35:20,400
>> maybe just say

2418
01:35:20,400 --> 01:35:21,600
>> it was kind of towards the beginning,

2419
01:35:21,600 --> 01:35:22,080
wasn't it?

2420
01:35:22,080 --> 01:35:26,065
>> Yeah.

2421
01:35:26,075 --> 01:35:26,080
[snorts]

2422
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:28,239
>> Okay. So this is where the line is at

2423
01:35:28,239 --> 01:35:30,639
the bottom and up to the top. Like I

2424
01:35:30,639 --> 01:35:32,800
said, I it just says excerpt of draft

2425
01:35:32,800 --> 01:35:34,960
because I just took it out. I put it in

2426
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:36,800
so that the city council could see it

2427
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:39,760
before these were approved and then

2428
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:42,000
unfortunately be when we went to press

2429
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:42,719
it wasn't taken out.

2430
01:35:42,719 --> 01:35:44,000
>> Oh, it's just those two lines.

2431
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:45,840
>> Well, it's just down between that line

2432
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,639
and that. So, all I did was transcribe

2433
01:35:48,639 --> 01:35:52,159
the the YouTube video for them and

2434
01:35:52,159 --> 01:35:54,400
unfortunately it just got left in. It

2435
01:35:54,400 --> 01:35:56,239
did. That's not part of the minutes. So,

2436
01:35:56,239 --> 01:35:58,000
all I wanted to do is make sure you guys

2437
01:35:58,000 --> 01:35:59,760
knew that it needed to come out and

2438
01:35:59,760 --> 01:36:01,600
because you can't I couldn't take it out

2439
01:36:01,600 --> 01:36:03,360
before you guys got the minute since you

2440
01:36:03,360 --> 01:36:06,000
already got the the minutes. Um, I had

2441
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:08,159
to wait and let you know. So, if Mara

2442
01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:10,480
and I take that out, is that good? Are

2443
01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:12,480
you okay with that?

2444
01:36:12,480 --> 01:36:14,239
Since it's not part of the minutes, it's

2445
01:36:14,239 --> 01:36:19,750
me. It's a document I stuck in.

2446
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:21,360
» Yeah,

2447
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:22,480
>> you're you're making the motion to

2448
01:36:22,480 --> 01:36:23,679
approve.

2449
01:36:23,679 --> 01:36:26,080
>> Um, yeah. How Let's see. So, how how

2450
01:36:26,080 --> 01:36:28,560
would it how we say

2451
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,560
>> if you're okay with it, Mara and I will

2452
01:36:30,560 --> 01:36:32,080
work on taking that out and just

2453
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:34,080
incorporating it into the above just to

2454
01:36:34,080 --> 01:36:36,000
make the it flow. But I didn't want to

2455
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:37,520
take it out because like I said, it's on

2456
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:39,760
the record like this and I and I don't I

2457
01:36:39,760 --> 01:36:42,480
can't edit it without approval if that

2458
01:36:42,480 --> 01:36:43,840
makes sense.

2459
01:36:43,840 --> 01:36:44,159
>> Right.

2460
01:36:44,159 --> 01:36:51,189
>> So, we need to make a motion to remove

2461
01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:54,159
line 32 33

2462
01:36:54,159 --> 01:36:56,719
>> all the way to 9 through

2463
01:36:56,719 --> 01:36:57,520
>> 39

2464
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,520
>> 16 on the next page

2465
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,320
>> through

2466
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:04,239
>> page

2467
01:37:04,239 --> 01:37:06,159
>> 31 of the other page, right?

2468
01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:06,480
>> Yeah.

2469
01:37:06,480 --> 01:37:07,040
>> Tell me.

2470
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,840
>> Okay.

2471
01:37:09,840 --> 01:37:11,600
>> Are these pages numbered?

2472
01:37:11,600 --> 01:37:14,239
>> They aren't here. That's difficulty. But

2473
01:37:14,239 --> 01:37:14,960
anyway, those

2474
01:37:14,960 --> 01:37:16,400
>> page

2475
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:17,600
>> what page? I mean,

2476
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:18,560
>> can you give me

2477
01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:21,040
>> Oh, it's on page four on here. It looks

2478
01:37:21,040 --> 01:37:23,440
like the page four and five. Oh, these

2479
01:37:23,440 --> 01:37:24,960
are the same thing I'm looking at.

2480
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:25,920
>> Yeah, you got doubles.

2481
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:27,679
>> Oh, I got doubles. I'm like confused.

2482
01:37:27,679 --> 01:37:30,000
Okay. So, [snorts]

2483
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:31,600
>> okay. Not to make it a mess, but

2484
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:33,920
basically all I need is the permission

2485
01:37:33,920 --> 01:37:37,600
to edit that out and make it a smooth

2486
01:37:37,600 --> 01:37:39,840
transition. Not changing any of the

2487
01:37:39,840 --> 01:37:42,400
verbiage or meaning of the the minutes

2488
01:37:42,400 --> 01:37:43,840
that Mara did.

2489
01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:45,520
>> Okay. [snorts] Absolutely.

2490
01:37:45,520 --> 01:37:46,480
>> You ready, Troy?

2491
01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:47,679
>> Is that Is that fair?

2492
01:37:47,679 --> 01:37:48,960
>> Well, I was until you said

2493
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:50,400
>> until I messed it up. Sorry, Troy. I'll

2494
01:37:50,400 --> 01:37:50,639
just

2495
01:37:50,639 --> 01:37:53,360
>> No, I'm just kidding.

2496
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:55,600
So wouldn't it be easier just to say to

2497
01:37:55,600 --> 01:37:59,199
delete these lines 32 33 and then 39

2498
01:37:59,199 --> 01:38:01,760
through

2499
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:03,840
>> what? 39 through

2500
01:38:03,840 --> 01:38:06,159
>> just say as discussed

2501
01:38:06,159 --> 01:38:06,880
>> because you know

2502
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:07,520
>> that work.

2503
01:38:07,520 --> 01:38:09,760
>> Yeah, that'll work.

2504
01:38:09,760 --> 01:38:11,199
>> It's on the record. So

2505
01:38:11,199 --> 01:38:13,360
>> okay, I'll make the motion then a motion

2506
01:38:13,360 --> 01:38:16,320
to approve the minutes from what meeting

2507
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:17,920
is this?

2508
01:38:17,920 --> 01:38:22,080
>> March 5th.

2509
01:38:22,080 --> 01:38:24,320
um

2510
01:38:24,320 --> 01:38:25,760
with uh the

2511
01:38:25,760 --> 01:38:27,679
>> Wait a minute. March 3rd.

2512
01:38:27,679 --> 01:38:31,280
>> Okay. March 3rd, 2026.

2513
01:38:31,280 --> 01:38:33,520
Um

2514
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:35,679
with the

2515
01:38:35,679 --> 01:38:36,639
>> edits perhaps

2516
01:38:36,639 --> 01:38:38,639
>> edits that

2517
01:38:38,639 --> 01:38:41,600
Heidi has recommended and we have

2518
01:38:41,600 --> 01:38:46,070
discussed.

2519
01:38:46,080 --> 01:38:47,679
» I'll second it.

2520
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:50,639
>> Okay. Motion to approve.

2521
01:38:50,639 --> 01:38:53,679
by Troy Slade, seconded by Michelle

2522
01:38:53,679 --> 01:38:56,400
Shurmer.

2523
01:38:56,400 --> 01:38:58,960
Uh, all in favor?

2524
01:38:58,960 --> 01:39:00,639
>> I [snorts]

2525
01:39:00,639 --> 01:39:01,119
>> I.

2526
01:39:01,119 --> 01:39:03,520
>> Any opposed?

2527
01:39:03,520 --> 01:39:05,920
Motion carries.

2528
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:08,960
Motion to adjourn.

2529
01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:11,040
>> I'll make that. I make a motion that we

2530
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:12,560
adjourn this meeting.

2531
01:39:12,560 --> 01:39:13,440
>> S Whittenberg

2532
01:39:13,440 --> 01:39:15,360
>> 7:51

2533
01:39:15,360 --> 01:39:16,320
p.m.

2534
01:39:16,320 --> 01:39:19,440
>> Motions to adjourn. Any seconds on that?

2535
01:39:19,440 --> 01:39:20,400
seconded.

2536
01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,880
>> Michelle Schumer seconds it. All in

2537
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:29,350
favor? I

2538
01:39:29,360 --> 01:39:31,679
» my apologies again for the Zoom room. Um

2539
01:39:31,679 --> 01:39:32,400
>> Oh, man. That was

2540
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:33,920
>> a little crazy. I'm sorry you had to

2541
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:34,639
deal with that.

2542
01:39:34,639 --> 01:39:38,840
>> That's a Yeah, that's stressful.