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Let's call to order Alpine City Council

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meeting for April 28th, 2026.

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We will start with a roll call starting

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from Andrew Young and a pledge that will

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be led by myself as

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>> Andrew Young present. Brent Remler,

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present.

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>> Sarah Blackwell, present.

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>> Chrissy Anaman, present.

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» Chessa Custom present. Our

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[snorts]

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father in heaven, we are so grateful to

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be here and have so many community

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members and uh have the city council and

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the staff and uh this wonderful building

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that thou provides for us. We're

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grateful for the water which thou has

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sent to help us in this time and we'll

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never forget where it comes from and all

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of the other blessings we have. We are

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grateful to live in such a wonderful

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place. We pray to pass these blessings

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on to others. We pray to bless us with

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our with thy spirit as we make decisions

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tonight and listen to the residents and

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one another to do as thou would have us

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for this town which thou so wonderfully

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blesses us with. And we say this in the

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name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

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>> Amen.

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>> Please stand

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and repeat after me the pledge. I pledge

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algiance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic

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for which it stands. One nation under

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God, indivisible, with liberty and

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justice for all.

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» Okay, we'll move on to item two, the

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consent calendar. Are there any

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questions regarding the items on the

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consent calendar?

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>> Not.

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>> I have five question. Just kidding. That

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was I had to get you on one.

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>> I will entertain [clears throat] a

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motion.

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>> I'll make a motion to approve the

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consent calendar as stated.

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>> I've got second.

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>> Okay, we've got a motion by Jessica

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Smeuan, seconded by Andrew

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and then um let's proceed with the roll

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call vote starting from Andrew Young.

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>> Andrew Young, yes. Bren Remley, yes.

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>> Jessica Simone, yes. Sarah Blackwell,

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yes. Chrissy Anaman. Yes.

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>> Okay. Consent calendar is passed. I know

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Chrissy's voice. That's why I led the

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pledge because

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>> Yes. Very sexy. Okay. We'll proceed with

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public comment. We're starting from

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>> Linda Black. As you come up to the

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microphone, if you could state your name

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and um the street that you live on, you

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don't have to say your house number um

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and the city. And then we'll have three

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minutes per person.

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>> Okay.

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>> Either one of these. Yes.

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>> Yes.

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>> My name is Linda Black. I live on East

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Mountain Drive in Alpine.

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I have a concern about the fence

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ordinances that are

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not maybe as beefy as they should be in

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the Alpine city of Alpine. Our neighbor

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to Norris down built a freeway fence.

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Not a fence. It's it's a cement wall on

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seven adjacent sides to other neighbors.

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Seven neighbors were affected by an 8

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foot wall cement

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fence. Not one single

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neighbor was called

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let known. And in two instances that I

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know of, the fence that was existing was

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torn down, left in a yard of the

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adjacent land owner. And to the surprise

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of everyone, a fence was put up.

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>> In speaking with uh several of those

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land owners, the surprise was, "Yeah, I

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just came out of my house and there was

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an 8ft

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it. not a fence, mind you. It's a

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freeway cement wall around a complex

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land piece of land. I understand this

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also. This land was recently approved

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for 13 sides. Now, here's the problem

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with approving land uh owners 13 sides

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to a specific land.

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You can't call all your neighbors and

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let them know what you're doing. Um, and

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to get that kind of uh buy in with and I

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don't know how somebody could even build

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a fence without letting their neighbors

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know. But um we're not preserving the

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feel of alpine when we build walls

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versus

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um building connection.

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And that's I think my three minutes.

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>> Thank you very much. Appreciate your

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comments. Okay, next person up is Rick

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Black,

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followed by Michelle Smith.

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» Hi, Rick Black. I'm the husband of

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Linda. So, same address.

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Um, I think all of us have certain

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ideals and we move to Alpine for various

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reasons and I believe that if you talk

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to everyone, yourselves included, you

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move to this area because of its beauty

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of its of its of the mountains, it being

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a rural feel, a nice bedroom community.

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uh, when, uh, and that's the reason we moved to Alpine. We've been here for

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39 years. So when this and we call it a

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freeway vence fence because that's what

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it is. I have uh friends that come over

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and they look at this and say, "Oh my

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goodness, what's going on here?" Uh and I say, "Well, you know, it cuts down

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on the noise." What noise of the

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freeway? I'm just being decent here, but

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um [cough]

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this this this fence was put in. Not one

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property owner um was ever contacted. We

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just came out and it showed up. Now, I'm

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going to tell you probably the worst

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thing that I have ever experienced in

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Alpine. And I'm just going to relate a

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very quick uh quick experience. And

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that's when this fence came in. Uh my

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good neighbor here, Arlland Brewer. Most

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of you know him. His wife Janica ran

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planning commission for several decades.

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Um Arland was in his tractor. The front

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the fence went up. It's seven feet on

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the property owner's side, but it is

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nine feet on his or it's 10 feet on his

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side because of uh leveling out the

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property that uh the property owners who

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owns a fence. But yet when you level

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that out, it's now 9 ft on Arland's

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side. So Arland is leaning over on his

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tractor. I went over uh I didn't know

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what to say to him. We looked at this.

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He said, "This comes on the anniversary

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of Janick's death, and this is what he

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woke up to." And it broke my heart. And

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I'm telling you, this is not right. And

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to for rural Alpine, you you fly an

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airplane and I am in the helicopter. Um

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I work for Lifellight and I fly over

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Alpine all the time. And this thing

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sticks out like a sore thumb. What in

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God's green earth in the middle of

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Alpine with nothing but fields on either

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side is a freeway fence which was

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approved by the planning commission and

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approved by the city council and it's

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not right. It is not right. Something

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needs to be done about these ordinances.

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So, I mean, you've approved it. the

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property owner followed all of the uh uh

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the covenants to put this fence in. But

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we need to take a look at those

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ordinances because this cannot happen

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again. There are seven homeowners whose lifestyle has been affected

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greatly by this freeway fence, myself

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included, to where we may not stay in

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Alpine. That's how it has affected us.

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It has really ruined that particular

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thing. Thank you for

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Appreciate your comments. Okay, we

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>> would like to make a request. My good

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friend Arland was here.

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Can we get him on?

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>> Yeah, if you can fill out a card, we'll

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let him after the last one. Okay. Um,

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we've got Michelle Smith followed by

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Greg Smith.

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>> Thank you, Black Family.

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» Sure.

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» Excuse me.

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Well, if you if you two are both

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speaking about something and you just

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want one representative, you can have

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five minutes or you can each have three

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>> I didn't know that. That's good.

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» Okay. Well, my name is Greg Smith and I

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live at 1365 on Boxelder Drive. You can

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know the exact address. We purchased our

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home in 2005, about a decade before Utah

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County gave approval for the development

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of Lambert Park Estates. When we bought

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our home 21 years ago, everyone knew

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that property, now Lambert Estates,

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would eventually be developed. It was

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just a question of when and what

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density. Alpine's city's master plan

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recognized that fact and it included a

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connector road from Boxelder Way

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directly west down the hill to Moy Drive

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following an existing dirt road.

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Michelle has given you all packets with

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copies of that map. It's page two.

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Interesting to note that when we moved

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here, Heritage Hills Drive, where Mayor

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Merrell lives, hadn't been constructed,

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but it was part of the master plan,

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exactly like the road connecting Box

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Elder Way to Moy Drive. The city

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followed through and finished Heritage

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Hills Drive, but changed the master plan

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with regard to Box Elder Way. That was

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long after we moved here way back in

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2005. We knew that our immediate

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neighbors would drive past our house,

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but there was no possible way we could

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have foreseen traffic from an additional

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56 homes in an entirely new subdivision

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being routed past our house. The city

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did this to us. That's why we're asking

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the city for a wall right in front of

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our house. We will also need you to

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approve any variance in code to allow an

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opaque privacy fence in the front yard.

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Please also consider extending the wall

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onto city property west of the pump

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house. This wall needs to be thick

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enough and tall enough to block out road

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noise. Um our neighbors across the

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street build a retaining wall which

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bounces the road noise right into our

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house. They didn't ask us about that. So

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we we we sympathize. Um, I think the ID

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we would we like our neighbors, so we

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would prefer to diffuse acoustic energy

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than simply reflect it. There's a

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photograph in um in your packet. The

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ideal would be a gabian basket wall. I'm

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sure you've seen this type of

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construction such um like on this

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property along North Utah County

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Boulevard in Highland across from Lone

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Peak. We've spoken with two experienced

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contractors. Each one assures us that

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they can make an even nicer looking

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wall. Um, those people in Highland built

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their own wall, which is why it take

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took so long. I talked to one of them.

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Andrew has shown report uh support for

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our request. We're looking for at least

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one additional sponsor so that this

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request can be put on the agenda for

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further discussion in a future meeting.

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Thank you,

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» Michelle.

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will be followed by Mario, then

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Michelle Kafussi.

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Um, my name is Michelle Smith, 1365 East

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Boxelder Drive. On page two of the

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packet that I gave you, it shows the map

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and you can see where I've circled in

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yellow up there, there's a blue dotted

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line and the gen the um the legend says

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that it's an existing local road. Um

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that this if you look at the top right

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left hand corner, I used a microscope on

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that that is um this map was made in

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1987. So 7 years before our home was

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built in 1993. We we we bought our home

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in 2005.

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So from this from this pulpit and from

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the people up on here, I've heard a lot

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of people say that

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um including Troy Stout, the former

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mayor,

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that the people on Boxelder Drive know

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what they're getting into by having all

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the traffic rerouted to past our house.

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Um page

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page six, I've highlighted in the middle

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of the page and put a star. Troy Stout,

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this is the agenda. Okay, Troy Stout

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said the people who bought lots up there

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knew what they were buying. He didn't

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think the city was obligated to pave the

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road. That was that road that was

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already in the in the map from 1987.

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We were told when we bought this when we

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bought our house that there was just a

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handful of homes in the neighborhood at

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the time. We were told that after 20 20

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homes were built, the city ordinance

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said that a secondary paved access road

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would be made. And so we were waiting

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this time for a secondary road to be put

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in.

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Now, there are 80 homes, more than 80

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homes up there, 66 new ones in the

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Lambert Park South, and they're all

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rerouted past our house.

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It's horrible. The traffic is horrible.

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I hear it all day long. [snorts] And our

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home is particularly vulnerable because

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we're on such a high incline. And so,

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traffic is going 45 miles an hour down

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that road constantly, all day long.

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In addition to the wall, we'd like you

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to provide for us. We would like to have

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some um speed bumps put in so that

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people have to actually go 25 miles an

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hour.

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But it's just unlivable for me. I can't

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even sit in my bedroom and read without

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hearing all kinds of traffic. It's not

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just 80 homes of worth of traffic. It's

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all the cement trucks, the earth movers,

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the construction vehicles, the

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contractors.

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It truly is a burden. I've lived here my

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whole life. My family moved here when I

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was four years old. I never thought that

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the city due to their own

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preference for recreation

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to make their recreation more

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pleasant for them.

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Thank you for your comment.

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Okay, let's move on with Mario Himenez

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followed by Michelle Kafussi.

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» Good afternoon. My name is Mario

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Jimenez. I live on Whitman Whitby

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Woodlands Drive. um take a couple of

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minutes of the councils just to let them

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know that uh it has come to my attention

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this past week that um a dear resident

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of Alpine that we all know and loved for

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a very long time named Bertha Adams who

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lived to be like 350 years old. Um

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Bertha's prized possession was

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>> Bertha's prized possession was an organ

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that she had had brought over from

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Germany. George and Jan Young have been

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storing this organ in a in a storage

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unit for the last five years. Since

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George Young's passing, Jan is in the

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process of cleaning out that storage

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unit. Jan reached out to me and asked me

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if I'd come and speak to the city

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council today. Their interest obviously

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is not to get rid of the organ to sell

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it, even though they have plenty of

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offers to buy it. She wants to make it a

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part of the Alpine heritage and she's

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wondering if Alpine might have uh either

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a permanent or a temporary storage for

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that organ until uh and I believe in

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speaking with Andrew and with Jessica

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they mentioned the fact that there's

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some sort of senior citizen memorial or

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legacy center or something.

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>> There's a community center. Yes.

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>> Yeah. So maybe maybe that would be the

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end place. In the meantime, a couple

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people have suggested to me that there

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might be space in the new Alpine Library

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uh to to put it there. So, um Jan is uh

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very motivated to have this moved out of

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her storage unit. Uh I'm sure we could

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come up with uh a couple people with

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strong back and weak minds to go over

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and move this thing and and and take it

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to where it needs to be done. I think

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it's a really historic piece of alpine

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and I would uh ask the city council to

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consider figuring out a permanent home

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for the Oregon. Thank you.

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>> Thank you for bringing that up. Um let's

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see. Michelle Kussi followed by Arwin

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Brewer.

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» Michelle Kussi, 318 Comanche Lane in

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Provo. I am honored to be here tonight,

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Madame Mayor and honorable council

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members. Especially when I looked at the

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date that I thought you are in budget

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season and it is not an easy time for

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municipalities and public officials. So,

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thank you for what you do. I'm here to

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introduce myself. I was seven years on

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the Provo School District and then

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almost a decade as the Provo City Mayor

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and have now thrown my hat in to run for

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county commissioner seat A. There are

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two seats up. There's seat A and seat B

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and I am in the primary for seat A. Um,

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and just wanted to bring my skill set.

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I've worked with a lot of you and know a

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lot of you and I've enjoyed my

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relationships with you. I think you're

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wonderful public servants and I support

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you. But just wanted to let you know

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that I will be on the primary ballot.

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This uh the ballots come June 4th and

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June 23rd is the primary election and

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that is my election. So just wanted to

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get myself in front of all 25 cities in

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the county. It's not easy to hit all

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these council meetings. we need to work

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on staggering, but would love to bring

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my skill set to the county and um my

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credentials and my reputation for

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collaboration and bringing people

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together. I I tried to calm the fire. I

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tried to say, "Okay, sit down and you've

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done this for a long time, but there's

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this nudge and push in me that isn't

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going to sit still." So, here I am, and

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I'm and Mayor Merrill and a couple of

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you others have my cell phone. Please

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feel free to share that with whoever

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might have questions for me and I would

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love to answer them. And thank you for

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giving me the time and hopefully things

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go smoothly tonight with budget talk.

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But thank you again for allowing me a

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few minutes tonight.

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>> Thank you.

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» Okay.

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First of all, I want to thank all of you

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for your precious time tonight.

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» I'm Arlon Brewer. I live at 673 South

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High Bench Road in Alpine.

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59 years ago, my bride, who just arrived

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from Sweden

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and I came to Alpine to look for a new

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home and we found it. And the reason

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that we moved here is the same reason

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all of you moved here because of the

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quality

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that is here and the beauty and the

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things and and and thanks to Brian or

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that we have the safety of the city.

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What a beautiful place to live in,

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folks.

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To wake up in the morning to have a

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prison wall in your backyard

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is another thing. And I want to thank

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Andrew Young there for stepping up way

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he did and tried to help us there.

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There's not much we can do with that

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10-ft

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prison wall in my backyard. But

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hopefully we as a city as citizens of

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the city can make it make it to where it

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doesn't show up in your backyard

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because you just never know. You just we

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didn't know have any idea something

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would

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come in our backyard to eliminate the

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beauty of being able to see our

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mountains in the quality the western

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atmosphere we have. So I plead with you

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to please find it to where other people

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doesn't have to suffer the way we are as

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neighbors. Thank you for your time.

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>> Thank you so much. Appreciate it.

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>> Thank you Harland for coming.

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Okay, let's move on to reports and

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presentations.

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Sculpture garden committee report. Is

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that you, Chrissy, or is that okay?

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Bob, come on up. If you can introduce

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yourself,

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>> I am Bob Hansen, a resident of American

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Fork, but I work at the Alpine Arts

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Center um and the Heritage Arts

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Foundation. We have a update and a

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presentation that we'd like to share

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with you. I've got a couple of guests

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like to have you guys come on up with me

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and um if you just maybe introduce

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yourselves real quick.

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>> Go ahead.

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>> Hi, we are representatives from Holdman

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Studios. Holdman and my husband Tom

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Holdman here. We actually have the

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property 1225 North Fort Canyon here in

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Alpine. So, we love this area. We honor

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and acknowledge what you're doing here

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and the difficulty that it involves.

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We're very grateful for the opportunity

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to share.

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» And I'm Jordan Ring Sakab, Mountain

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Eagle Mountain.

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» Well, so much of what I have in the

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slides um will be a little bit of a

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recap. Um the next slide um a lot of

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content we're not going to go over it

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but I provided it just so that you would

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have it for later. um what it is, where

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it is, and then the next slide uh what

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will be there. And we want to uh share

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with you that we've had some incredible

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discussions with the Holdman's and um

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very excited about an opportunity that's

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I think going to make the park much much

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more complete and um comprehensive. So

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you see the um kind of those check marks

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midway down the sculptures. Dennis Smith

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stained glass and we'll share a little

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bit of what that will look like from the

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Holdman's and um of course Emily Brooks

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Wayman with the design. Um if you go to

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the next slide, uh we do have a list of

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the plants. Um we don't have the

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quantity yet, but that is something that

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will be forthcoming. Um we uh we pulled

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the the plant list from the city

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website. Um and so that's where a lot of

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this has come from. And um the next

538
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:18,720
slide, this is where we get into

539
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,039
something interesting. And I'd like the

540
00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:24,400
holdman's to take some time to explain

541
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:26,320
what we've got going on here.

542
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:33,430
>> All right. I'm happy to be here.

543
00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:37,120
got a slow tongue at times but though so

544
00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:41,600
I am really excited about this I have

545
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,320
driven like by here over and over again

546
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:46,400
like for the years and I thought

547
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:54,960
wouldn't it be wonderful and so here well so here here though we are so

548
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:59,520
how how do you make an

549
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,320
iconic a

550
00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:05,840
gathering place and an

551
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:12,480
icon and still have it be a small

552
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:14,799
immunity. And I think we've got the

553
00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:23,120
answer. And so with a zebo

554
00:25:23,120 --> 00:25:26,159
lash like lighthouse

555
00:25:26,159 --> 00:25:28,000
lash

556
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:32,159
uh a uh beacon of light. And so that is

557
00:25:32,159 --> 00:25:35,279
where like we had those sketch this and

558
00:25:35,279 --> 00:25:41,039
then um on on those though

559
00:25:41,039 --> 00:25:44,960
herbs hang glass windows. I got the idea

560
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,760
like from that arch up there too. So

561
00:25:47,760 --> 00:25:52,559
then here. Yeah. Unveil the arch.

562
00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:54,080
>> There we go. like we've been like

563
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,480
sketching these

564
00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:01,039
concepts for uh many hours and then

565
00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:03,679
days, you know, to really to though tie

566
00:26:03,679 --> 00:26:10,549
in what what it means to be in

567
00:26:10,559 --> 00:26:14,080
Alpine like from uh living here for

568
00:26:14,080 --> 00:26:16,159
though like 50

569
00:26:16,159 --> 00:26:18,720
what like 50 like took two years, right?

570
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,320
59

571
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:25,120
>> 58 years and then also like those who

572
00:26:25,120 --> 00:26:32,149
have just moved in. How do you become

573
00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:34,720
integral like

574
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:38,480
the like like

575
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,200
that like fabric of

576
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,320
time and so we can get more into the

577
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,279
artwork. But though, can you imagine

578
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:52,000
having

579
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:55,120
poppies all year long? Wouldn't that be

580
00:26:55,120 --> 00:26:59,039
wonderful? And then all these sunflowers

581
00:26:59,039 --> 00:27:04,320
too you know like to the plant flowers

582
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,559
uh uh uh uh which will never like wither

583
00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:12,240
you know and so and then like with that

584
00:27:12,240 --> 00:27:14,559
too on that art glass and I don't know

585
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:16,320
how much time I have so I will move

586
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:26,720
ahead and so and so can you track time and so our

587
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,880
calendar is a uh lunar

588
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,960
calendar and that's why like we have the

589
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:35,279
leap year but let's make one that's

590
00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:39,840
exactly right all the time and so

591
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:44,870
you know

592
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:48,000
through rhythms you know like the track

593
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:53,990
that time and and and

594
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:55,600
yades that you know like did you want to

595
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,200
add to that at all or

596
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,120
>> in that particular aspect?

597
00:27:59,120 --> 00:28:02,399
>> Um really Alpine has a rich history and

598
00:28:02,399 --> 00:28:04,159
we understand that it's there's quite a

599
00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:06,159
bit of time that has passed here and

600
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:08,320
what has changed throughout that time is

601
00:28:08,320 --> 00:28:10,399
quite remarkable and what has stayed the

602
00:28:10,399 --> 00:28:12,559
same is that it's a beautiful place to

603
00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:13,919
be and it's filled with beautiful

604
00:28:13,919 --> 00:28:15,919
people. So, we would love to be able to

605
00:28:15,919 --> 00:28:18,960
have this incredible sun that we have to

606
00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,000
sunlight, which is what brings the life

607
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,399
to this unique, uniquely inspiring and

608
00:28:24,399 --> 00:28:26,640
intriguing art form of stained glass.

609
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:28,720
Um, to have that be able to reflect that

610
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:30,159
time and be one more additional thing

611
00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:32,799
for people to consider the background,

612
00:28:32,799 --> 00:28:35,279
the history of this community and this

613
00:28:35,279 --> 00:28:37,440
place and what they're adding to its

614
00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,120
future. And then also, you know, to

615
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:45,360
though tell the story well but how well

616
00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,200
but how though like do you get the story

617
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,320
out there and then how do you get it

618
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,399
into the though like younger like

619
00:28:54,399 --> 00:28:57,679
generation, right? Like this, right? And

620
00:28:57,679 --> 00:29:00,399
so and so like where we so like next we

621
00:29:00,399 --> 00:29:09,200
well like we well so like pull out uh uh uh your phones and then scan over

622
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:12,880
that code right now. Try it out. Well

623
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:18,230
it's like this is is is

624
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:21,520
like being like launched like by like uh

625
00:29:21,520 --> 00:29:25,039
by like below state

626
00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:33,279
capital here. And so it will be used in schools and then we'll so and see how

627
00:29:33,279 --> 00:29:37,840
it is like 3D as you move. Well like try

628
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,080
this out. Everybody try it out.

629
00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,080
>> You see how it's working.

630
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,480
>> And then though if

631
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,919
>> if you capture all the bees and see what

632
00:29:47,919 --> 00:29:50,960
happens and so it will tell you about

633
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,960
our state, right? And so and so like

634
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,799
that's only like be those like tip of

635
00:29:56,799 --> 00:30:01,360
the iceberg. But if you if if you had

636
00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,640
any questions right now, I can answer

637
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:06,000
those maybe

638
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:08,399
>> or not.

639
00:30:08,399 --> 00:30:09,120
>> Stay stay.

640
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:09,840
>> Okay.

641
00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:13,840
>> Um you know, you can imagine um people

642
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,360
who lived in dugouts.

643
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:19,440
>> People who lived in the dugouts in those

644
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:23,200
early times. um was it seven families I

645
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:27,039
think um incredible families. You can

646
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:29,279
actually see them digging right with

647
00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:32,240
this app. Um and it comes alive. It

648
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,760
brings it to life. Um I just I want to I

649
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,960
want to thank Andrew first of all for

650
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,559
bringing this idea of sharing historic

651
00:30:42,559 --> 00:30:47,600
people um to the forefront, right? Um

652
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,520
we haven't changed what we're doing.

653
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:51,520
We're still talking about these

654
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:55,200
incredible statues, more metaphoric,

655
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,320
right? More metaphorical. Um, and they

656
00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,880
relate incredibly to the values that

657
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,679
grew out of Alpine's history. Uh, but

658
00:31:03,679 --> 00:31:07,279
the individual stories, events, those

659
00:31:07,279 --> 00:31:10,640
things need to be told. Um, and so just

660
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:14,000
a a shout out to you for bringing that

661
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:17,279
to us. Um, and the rest of the group has

662
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,120
just kind of circled around that and

663
00:31:19,120 --> 00:31:22,320
really loved this and we reached out to

664
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:24,799
the Holdman's who uh to say they were

665
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:30,480
enthusiastic. Um, they just were in Brea

666
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,080
uh

667
00:31:32,080 --> 00:31:35,279
>> Yorinda Belinda close your Belinda,

668
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:37,600
California with a temple opening. They

669
00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:39,360
changed their flight schedule so they

670
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,159
could be here tonight. Um, and uh

671
00:31:42,159 --> 00:31:44,320
they're very very committed to this.

672
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,159
They have some donors that they think

673
00:31:46,159 --> 00:31:48,320
they would like to engage. They want to

674
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:50,640
host a gathering on their property here

675
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,640
in Alpine. Um and uh we're we're so

676
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:56,320
close. We just finished the shooting of

677
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,679
a video um which will be circulated in

678
00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:02,320
the coming days. Um but that will be

679
00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,799
used predominantly in these host

680
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:06,399
gatherings that we've talked about

681
00:32:06,399 --> 00:32:08,640
before. That's where we'll start and

682
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,399
then we'll work our way out in terms of

683
00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:13,440
fundraising. So somewhere still around

684
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:17,360
four million um in that range and we're

685
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,000
excited that it's a private sector um

686
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,960
opportunity um and so we're grateful for

687
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,870
this chance.

688
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,399
» Thank you very much. Appreciate your

689
00:32:28,399 --> 00:32:30,159
time guys and all the effort that you

690
00:32:30,159 --> 00:32:34,080
put into it. It looks like be beautiful.

691
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:40,230
Okay, let's move on to item five.

692
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:41,679
We will do

693
00:32:41,679 --> 00:32:43,200
>> Can we give a couple comments to him or

694
00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,919
is this not discussion or a couple

695
00:32:45,919 --> 00:32:47,600
questions?

696
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:48,320
>> We don't have to.

697
00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:49,679
>> This is an update. I think you can you

698
00:32:49,679 --> 00:32:51,440
know who Chrissy, are you still on the

699
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:52,799
committee?

700
00:32:52,799 --> 00:32:54,640
>> You know what? Why don't you discuss

701
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,840
>> just thank you for all y'all did and

702
00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,440
>> just thank you. That's amazing. Thank

703
00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:02,080
you for the residents for coming.

704
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,720
>> So, let's move on to discussion items.

705
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,039
So, we've got Dan Wayne from MAG who's

706
00:33:07,039 --> 00:33:08,880
here to help us. And we've got Kaden.

707
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:12,559
And is Ryan online?

708
00:33:12,559 --> 00:33:13,440
>> No,

709
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,679
>> he's still Okay. So, Dan, thanks for

710
00:33:15,679 --> 00:33:18,000
coming. What?

711
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,120
>> Right. I think he's in planning

712
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:20,720
commission. Do we want Dan to come to

713
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,279
the microphone or how do we want to

714
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:25,360
>> I can start off by just reminding the

715
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,320
council about this project and um how we

716
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:29,919
got here, I guess, if that's all right

717
00:33:29,919 --> 00:33:32,720
with everybody. um which is new to me as

718
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,120
well obviously with being here uh just

719
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,080
recently but um yeah if you all recall

720
00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:39,840
this has been a long time coming this

721
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,519
small area plan for Main Street and the

722
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:45,679
gateway corridors um so we received a

723
00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:48,000
grant from from MAG from the Mountain

724
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,080
Association of Governments to create a

725
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,159
master plan focused primarily on the

726
00:33:52,159 --> 00:33:54,640
gateway corridors which is Alpine

727
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,799
Highway Canyon Crest and Westfield and

728
00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:00,720
Main Street and multi the citizens have

729
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:01,919
been involved. There's been a steering

730
00:34:01,919 --> 00:34:04,960
committee, uh, workshops, uh, a design

731
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,360
cheret, and the purpose of the plan is

732
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,079
to create a long-term visioning document

733
00:34:10,079 --> 00:34:12,159
that establishes a shared vision and

734
00:34:12,159 --> 00:34:14,000
framework for how the main street and

735
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,240
gateway corridor should grow and develop

736
00:34:16,240 --> 00:34:19,440
over time. So, a small area plan, just

737
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,679
to remind everybody, is we have a

738
00:34:21,679 --> 00:34:23,599
general plan for our city, which is a

739
00:34:23,599 --> 00:34:25,440
general guiding document of how we want

740
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:29,119
the city to look over the next 10, 20,

741
00:34:29,119 --> 00:34:30,639
50 years. and we update that

742
00:34:30,639 --> 00:34:33,040
periodically. A small area plan is

743
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,119
basically a general plan but for a

744
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:37,599
specific area and so in this case as

745
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:40,399
I've we as I just said it's for the main

746
00:34:40,399 --> 00:34:42,240
street and the the gateway corridors of

747
00:34:42,240 --> 00:34:45,040
our city. So the goal of that is not to

748
00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,280
create new code new zoning ordinances

749
00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,280
but to create that designing that

750
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,280
guiding and visionary document that we

751
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,960
want for those areas of our city because

752
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:56,639
they are those those gateways. Um so

753
00:34:56,639 --> 00:35:01,119
just to recap um the plan will focus on

754
00:35:01,119 --> 00:35:03,359
the project vision, purpose, planning

755
00:35:03,359 --> 00:35:05,599
framework. Um it's heavily involved with

756
00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:08,320
community engagement. Um it will be a

757
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,480
lot about placemaking, public spaces,

758
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,839
civic amenities. Um, basically creating

759
00:35:13,839 --> 00:35:16,400
a place for the public, for Alpine

760
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,200
citizens to be, to have random

761
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:21,200
encounters, spontaneous encounters with

762
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:24,160
other Alpine residents and make our city

763
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,880
a more uh cohesive and beautiful place.

764
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,480
>> You want anything specific?

765
00:35:30,480 --> 00:35:32,160
>> Um, yeah. And you can see on the screen

766
00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,640
here, this is the uh the background

767
00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:36,480
information on what's already happened

768
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,960
with this. So, this has gone through

769
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,200
planning commission. They decided to

770
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:43,680
break this up into four different

771
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,800
meetings. I believe um there was four

772
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:48,240
different motions that were made. You

773
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:50,560
can see here they decided to focus on

774
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,480
the areas that were most pertinent to

775
00:35:52,480 --> 00:35:55,760
them as the planning commission. So they

776
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:57,520
one one of the meetings they focused on

777
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,760
the the main street quarter gateway

778
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:01,839
overall project. One of the meetings

779
00:36:01,839 --> 00:36:03,280
they focused on the implementation

780
00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,920
matrix. Um, one of them they focused on

781
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,160
the traffic management plan and then one

782
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,400
of them was on the design guidelines of

783
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,920
Main Street. Um,

784
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:16,560
and so we decided, Kirsty kind of

785
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,960
mentioned in our last city council

786
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,800
meeting maybe a way to go about this

787
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,400
document kind of similar to how the

788
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,400
planning commission did that. She sent

789
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:27,680
it a document to all of us through email

790
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:30,800
of maybe how we can do that. And so

791
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:32,480
today we were planning on starting with

792
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,640
that part A that she she put on there.

793
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,480
We have part A, part B, and part C. And

794
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,480
part B and C will be talked about at

795
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,960
future meetings. Um so the goal of today

796
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,040
was to focus on that part A that's in

797
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,839
your packets. Um and discuss that and

798
00:36:45,839 --> 00:36:47,920
answer any questions about those first

799
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,280
parts of the plan and the appendices A

800
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:56,310
and C.

801
00:36:56,320 --> 00:37:01,349
» Yeah, this is fine.

802
00:37:01,359 --> 00:37:03,760
No, I didn't. I asked him to come to

803
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,280
start.

804
00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:08,550
>> Okay.

805
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:12,950
» If you want to scroll down just

806
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,480
» so I guess just to get the ball rolling

807
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:15,839
a little bit, feel free to chime in

808
00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:19,359
whenever and ask questions. Um the first

809
00:37:19,359 --> 00:37:22,560
part was um kind of the vision, the

810
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,960
purpose of the plan and what are our

811
00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:29,599
objectives that uh of doing this plan.

812
00:37:29,599 --> 00:37:31,440
Answering those kind of basic questions

813
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,320
of of actually carrying out this small

814
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,280
area plan and then what is a character

815
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,200
area that was talked about heavily in

816
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:42,079
this in in the plan. What is a gateway

817
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:43,839
corridor? any types of questions like

818
00:37:43,839 --> 00:37:46,000
that that you might uh be confused about

819
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:49,680
or just want to clarify. Um so if you

820
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,960
scroll down here, this is the project.

821
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:54,880
Yeah, this is the project overview. You

822
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:56,960
can see the the area boundary on there

823
00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,520
that shows the main corridors of the

824
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:02,800
city um that go in up to the roundabout

825
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,720
here to city hall um and the purpose of

826
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:09,680
the plan and the elements of the plan

827
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,400
there.

828
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,720
And Ryan did inform me that kind of what

829
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:16,960
spearheaded this project as well was

830
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:20,079
that there was um a mixeduse type

831
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:22,240
structure I think on Main Street that

832
00:38:22,240 --> 00:38:24,560
was denied uh maybe didn't meet fully

833
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:30,720
the requirements of of the historic uh the historic gateway requirements of

834
00:38:30,720 --> 00:38:33,520
design. And so the council wanted to

835
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,800
look into how we could have better

836
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,119
design standards, a more cohesive uh

837
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:41,119
approach to that. um and also to do a

838
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:43,040
leakage study, try to see how we can

839
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,040
encourage economic growth in this area

840
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:49,829
as well.

841
00:38:49,839 --> 00:38:52,320
» Does anyone have any questions so far?

842
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:53,520
>> How do you want to handle this, mayor?

843
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,040
Like do we want us to each discuss or do

844
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:55,520
you want to just

845
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,359
>> Let's go a little bit. I just Hey, Dan,

846
00:38:57,359 --> 00:38:59,040
do you mind coming up to the microphone

847
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,760
also? Um

848
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,839
so

849
00:39:03,839 --> 00:39:07,119
Dan Wayne is from MAG and he has been

850
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:10,240
involved in the process helped us um

851
00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:12,560
through the grant the entire process and

852
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,040
has attended several of our meetings and

853
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:19,520
he was gracious enough to come um

854
00:39:19,520 --> 00:39:21,599
in knowing that maybe Ryan would not be

855
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:23,839
available we asked Dan Dan to come and

856
00:39:23,839 --> 00:39:26,000
kind of help us with this project. Do

857
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:27,680
you have any insights or anything that

858
00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:30,000
you wanted to um put in? Kayen, you did

859
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:32,320
a great job. I know that we asked you to

860
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,920
come up to speed really quickly,

861
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:38,800
but did you have any more additional

862
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,440
insights you wanted to include on I

863
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:42,400
think what we're going to do is we're

864
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,320
just going to kind of break it up and do

865
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,000
it over several meetings because I don't

866
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,320
think we'll be able to get it all done.

867
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:49,599
Um

868
00:39:49,599 --> 00:39:51,119
>> yeah, thank you, mayor. Appreciate it.

869
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:52,960
and council members. Once again, Dan

870
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:55,119
Wayne. I'm the community planning and

871
00:39:55,119 --> 00:39:58,240
economic development manager at MAG. And

872
00:39:58,240 --> 00:40:00,320
it was my pleasure to partner with the

873
00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:03,280
city on this project. Uh our role is to

874
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,359
provide funding and to the degree that

875
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:08,480
it's useful some um technical assistance

876
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:14,480
uh throughout the process. So, um but it's a a city-led project uh with

877
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:16,800
city staff managing the project and it's

878
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:18,960
your vision. Uh we're just here to

879
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:22,480
support you with that. Um we have in

880
00:40:22,480 --> 00:40:25,599
addition to funding uh this project uh

881
00:40:25,599 --> 00:40:27,680
we also have another application that

882
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:31,440
the city has submitted uh to do uh to

883
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,000
revisit your development code which is

884
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:36,320
kind of the implementation side of this

885
00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:39,040
vision that we're working on right now.

886
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:40,880
Uh so we're excited to partner with you

887
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,280
on that project as well and just

888
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,800
encourage you to to carefully consider

889
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,400
um this plan and its contents and to um

890
00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:52,640
come to consensus and wrap that up so

891
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,440
that we can uh move forward uh with the

892
00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:58,079
next grant and and get you working

893
00:40:58,079 --> 00:41:00,720
towards the details uh the

894
00:41:00,720 --> 00:41:04,800
implementation side of things. Um, it's

895
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:07,359
been a a really good process that the

896
00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:10,880
city's gone through. And uh, I would say

897
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:13,520
though that with any plan like this,

898
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,359
there's always going to be things about

899
00:41:15,359 --> 00:41:18,800
it that maybe you don't like personally,

900
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:20,880
there's always going to be um, some

901
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,480
differences.

902
00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,800
It's not, this isn't an implementation

903
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,680
plan. It's a vision. Um and so if

904
00:41:27,680 --> 00:41:30,000
there's any details that you're not 100%

905
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:31,920
comfortable with, um those can be

906
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:34,560
addressed on a project by project level.

907
00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,599
Um when development applications come,

908
00:41:37,599 --> 00:41:39,920
uh when we work on the development codes

909
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,560
that's coming next, uh those types of

910
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:45,359
things. So it's not a a vision, a plan

911
00:41:45,359 --> 00:41:48,400
like this isn't a binding commitment for

912
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,880
you to implement every line and every

913
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:55,040
action in it. It's a direction that you

914
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:58,160
generally agree on and that you aim to

915
00:41:58,160 --> 00:42:00,560
work together to implement. So, thank

916
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,400
you.

917
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:09,910
>> Thank you, D. Okay. Um

918
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,960
let's go ahead and um if you have I'm

919
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,040
sure you have plenty of questions and

920
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,400
since you are first on um on the

921
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,560
rotation for tonight's meeting

922
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:22,480
>> and you did you have some questions

923
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:25,440
regarding the beginning of this project

924
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:26,400
like scratching

925
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:27,760
>> we're not going to be discussing the

926
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,920
entirety of it right just the sections

927
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:30,640
that we're going to

928
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:32,720
>> before I go into it um are there certain

929
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:34,000
parts you want to discuss or do you just

930
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,760
want to focus on elements that we

931
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,319
grabbed from it. I wasn't exactly clear

932
00:42:38,319 --> 00:42:40,800
how we were going to uh separate it.

933
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:42,000
>> I think we can talk, you know what,

934
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:42,880
let's talk about how we're going to

935
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:45,040
separate it first. Um we talked about,

936
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,480
you know, looking at the whole thing and

937
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,960
then breaking out in chunks. I think it

938
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,319
was first suggested that, you know, um

939
00:42:52,319 --> 00:42:55,119
the vision and then vision for the

940
00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:57,359
gateway corridors, the gateway corridors

941
00:42:57,359 --> 00:43:00,560
today and then um maybe the alpine city

942
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,240
main street and gateway corridor small

943
00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:04,560
area plan and then the first parts and

944
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,560
then yeah and then maybe we could break

945
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,160
it up into three.

946
00:43:08,160 --> 00:43:08,960
>> Okay,

947
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:10,480
>> let's see if we can get through those

948
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,200
three first three chunks.

949
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:14,720
Although

950
00:43:14,720 --> 00:43:17,119
section three is a big chunk of it, but

951
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:18,400
let's see if we can try to get through

952
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:18,880
that.

953
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,119
>> Okay, I'll I'll go on a couple things.

954
00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:22,640
Can you tell me what what is section

955
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,079
three in your mind?

956
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:25,359
>> How long do you how long do you think

957
00:43:25,359 --> 00:43:27,200
it'll take us to go over the budgeting

958
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:30,560
process because that's move backwards.

959
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,160
>> Depends on how many questions you have,

960
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:34,319
but I mean

961
00:43:34,319 --> 00:43:38,160
I honestly think max 30 minutes. But

962
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:39,920
>> for the budget,

963
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,000
>> it's it's kind of a higher level

964
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,480
overview at this time and then

965
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:46,240
>> I think as we meet individually there

966
00:43:46,240 --> 00:43:48,240
might be more questions and more

967
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:49,920
questions answered and maybe less at the

968
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:50,319
next.

969
00:43:50,319 --> 00:43:52,480
>> That's a lot an hour and 15 minutes from

970
00:43:52,480 --> 00:43:54,880
so from now till about 8:00.

971
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,240
>> Let's just go [clears throat] from the

972
00:43:56,240 --> 00:43:58,240
beginning. Anyone? Okay. So let's go

973
00:43:58,240 --> 00:43:59,839
through the first section which is a

974
00:43:59,839 --> 00:44:01,280
vision for Alpine Cities Gateway

975
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,319
Corridors. The first um

976
00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:05,839
>> Okay. You want me to start on the vision

977
00:44:05,839 --> 00:44:07,680
>> pages? So, let's just start on that

978
00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:08,240
first.

979
00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:10,240
>> Okay. Yeah. So, uh

980
00:44:10,240 --> 00:44:13,040
>> sorry, if you want me to show something,

981
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:14,640
just tell me what you want.

982
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,319
>> Okay, I'll I'll go quickly.

983
00:44:16,319 --> 00:44:18,160
>> Well, I just don't want to guess, so all

984
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,839
of you just tell me what you want.

985
00:44:19,839 --> 00:44:22,000
>> So, fantastic job, Kaden. I'm so proud

986
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,680
of you how you delivered this. Thank you

987
00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:26,160
so much. There is nothing in this plan

988
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:28,880
that I am against. I love it all.

989
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:30,400
>> Okay, pick me up off the floor.

990
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:32,960
>> No, I know. I I There is I have

991
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,050
>> literally scrape scrape scrape. I

992
00:44:35,050 --> 00:44:36,800
[cough] love this plan. I love the

993
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:40,160
conclusions you came to. I feel like it

994
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,960
is what residents are asking for and I

995
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,240
feel like y'all did a fantastic job. Um

996
00:44:46,240 --> 00:44:47,920
I just have some things that you might

997
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:49,520
be able to add to it. Is that okay if I

998
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,200
bring them up? Just some additions that

999
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,520
might be able to be added. Um I put this

1000
00:44:53,520 --> 00:44:55,359
I tried to condense it really tight for

1001
00:44:55,359 --> 00:44:56,800
the vision part. So I put it in a

1002
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,920
document. Uh um and don't take this as a

1003
00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,359
criticism. take this as something that

1004
00:45:01,359 --> 00:45:03,440
is my effort to try to balance this with

1005
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:05,440
a couple additional things. I think

1006
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,119
everything you've put in is you've done

1007
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:10,880
a great job at surveying the people. Um

1008
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:14,079
you've done a fantastic job at like I've

1009
00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:17,200
been doing this too over the last months

1010
00:45:17,200 --> 00:45:18,640
on a completely different path and

1011
00:45:18,640 --> 00:45:20,240
you've been doing it technically and we

1012
00:45:20,240 --> 00:45:22,640
came to the same conclusions. So I I

1013
00:45:22,640 --> 00:45:24,640
couldn't be happier that you're right in

1014
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,520
line with the uh uh residents. Um, if

1015
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,040
you just pull up on the items to share,

1016
00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,640
Heidi, there is a uh uh simple wording

1017
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,960
uh on the on that that one right there.

1018
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:40,000
Okay. So, when I was reading the vision, document,

1019
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,760
you have these wonderful things about

1020
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,880
preserving history, there are recreation

1021
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:46,319
elements in the vision and I don't know

1022
00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:48,480
if you read the first pages and our

1023
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,720
economic v vitality. You have language

1024
00:45:50,720 --> 00:45:54,720
like ma major recreational destinations.

1025
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:56,160
Um, don't don't worry about that. Ski

1026
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:57,599
resorts in Lake Pal example. I'll bring

1027
00:45:57,599 --> 00:45:59,119
that up a little. The thing that I

1028
00:45:59,119 --> 00:46:00,880
thought you could add to it, and I know

1029
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:04,240
this isn't often done, but I can explain

1030
00:46:04,240 --> 00:46:05,760
why I think it's valued, especially for

1031
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,920
Alpine, is something about our faith.

1032
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,800
And I put wordage that you could include

1033
00:46:10,800 --> 00:46:13,280
that would add a piece that I think is a

1034
00:46:13,280 --> 00:46:15,760
pillar that you would get as well if you

1035
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,720
reached out to um residents. Something

1036
00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,440
community valuing, religious respect, or

1037
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:24,319
historic and pioneering heritage. It's a

1038
00:46:24,319 --> 00:46:26,560
little different than just history. Uh

1039
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,680
we're religiously rooted and connected

1040
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:32,160
community. Um we're a faith connected

1041
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,680
community. We're god- centered. We're

1042
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,440
church centered. Now I know government

1043
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:38,240
is not supposed to be involved in

1044
00:46:38,240 --> 00:46:40,800
religion. But our city was created by

1045
00:46:40,800 --> 00:46:44,880
it. Our community is in circled by it.

1046
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,200
And it's such a pivotal piece. And the

1047
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:48,640
reason I bring it up is something I hope

1048
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:51,040
you would consider adding to it is

1049
00:46:51,040 --> 00:46:52,960
because the cities I noticed that remove

1050
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,760
it and then rely on the secular things

1051
00:46:55,760 --> 00:46:59,280
like just economic vitality or historic

1052
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,720
or just recreational destinations start

1053
00:47:02,720 --> 00:47:04,800
to spiral. I'm talking about the mission

1054
00:47:04,800 --> 00:47:07,680
in San Francisco or other places. Now

1055
00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,000
people might not like this but it is I

1056
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:11,359
what I would think is the main

1057
00:47:11,359 --> 00:47:13,680
ingredient that really does ramp up our

1058
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,839
city. So anyways, when you say things

1059
00:47:15,839 --> 00:47:17,680
like in the vision statement,

1060
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,440
preservation of the historic character,

1061
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:22,960
I would add something like preservation

1062
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:25,520
of the historic and pioneering character

1063
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:26,640
because that's a little different than

1064
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,440
history. It's the pioneer history. Uh

1065
00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,760
the next thing is you bring up

1066
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:33,359
throughout the vision and a lot of other

1067
00:47:33,359 --> 00:47:36,560
parts a lot of biking, a lot of cyclist

1068
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,680
friendly, a lot of cyclist uh um

1069
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,280
prioritizing

1070
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:45,119
and that is not um bad but I would hope

1071
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:47,440
that we could also add in there some

1072
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:50,079
emphasis on the senior friendly stuff.

1073
00:47:50,079 --> 00:47:53,359
Um I don't know how I put some uh things

1074
00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:55,040
and so these are not criticism. these

1075
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,319
are things I think we could add to it

1076
00:47:56,319 --> 00:47:58,000
that would improve it and more align it

1077
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,079
with the identity of Alpine. So rather

1078
00:48:00,079 --> 00:48:01,440
than just cyclist friendly which is

1079
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:02,720
things I've pulled from the vision

1080
00:48:02,720 --> 00:48:05,359
document also senior friendly and you

1081
00:48:05,359 --> 00:48:07,280
kind of have that with the walking paths

1082
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,839
and the the walkability but there's a

1083
00:48:09,839 --> 00:48:11,280
little bit more that would be senior

1084
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,440
friendly I I put language that might

1085
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,200
help like retired golden years friendly

1086
00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:17,098
infrastructure versus just cyclist

1087
00:48:17,098 --> 00:48:18,960
[clears throat] friendly infrastructure

1088
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,040
and then there was nothing about horses.

1089
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,520
I know that sounds ridiculous, but our

1090
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,240
community uh has a big piece of horse

1091
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:27,920
friendly, not just cyclist friendly, but

1092
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:30,000
horse friendly and senior friendly. Um,

1093
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,240
and then on the vision part, uh there's

1094
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:35,200
a lot about economic vitality.

1095
00:48:35,200 --> 00:48:38,800
Um, and the economic and you know, we

1096
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:40,400
have a lot of I don't know how else to

1097
00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:42,160
say it. I put it hot shots are drawn to

1098
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:45,200
Alpine. They are. And it's had weird

1099
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,280
results. I I I don't want to go into

1100
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:49,040
them specifically because I don't think

1101
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:51,440
it's helpful. But if we just focus on

1102
00:48:51,440 --> 00:48:53,839
economic vitality, which is good, I

1103
00:48:53,839 --> 00:48:55,040
think something that could improve that

1104
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,040
in the language with the vision is not

1105
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,200
just economic vitality like producing

1106
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:01,280
great products and generating great

1107
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,240
income and revenue, but something that

1108
00:49:04,240 --> 00:49:07,280
elevates residents uh the bottom ones,

1109
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:10,000
the middle ones. Um, and it's it's just

1110
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:11,920
another way of saying economic vitality

1111
00:49:11,920 --> 00:49:15,040
that also lifts uh our residents who are

1112
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,599
not poor. And and it's funny when you

1113
00:49:17,599 --> 00:49:19,440
talk to people. Alpine was actually

1114
00:49:19,440 --> 00:49:21,119
started by poor people. Very poor

1115
00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:23,040
people. He talked about it digging holes

1116
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:27,040
in the side of um the the uh uh

1117
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,040
cemetery. So they were very poor. They

1118
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:30,480
wanted to live in American Fork. I don't

1119
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,079
know if you know this. They wanted that

1120
00:49:32,079 --> 00:49:33,599
river. They got kicked out. They came up

1121
00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:35,920
here to the poor area. It's not so poor

1122
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,520
anymore, but they elevated the

1123
00:49:37,520 --> 00:49:39,040
community. So when you talk about

1124
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:40,880
economic vitality and pushing it into

1125
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:43,520
the other places, all this like untapped

1126
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:46,240
taxes we can get. I thought that is

1127
00:49:46,240 --> 00:49:49,280
great, but if we could add some resident

1128
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:52,480
elevating things for those 65 plus those

1129
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:57,599
40k a year people, those heavily um that

1130
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:00,079
not hot shots. We have hot shots, but we

1131
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:01,359
also have people that aren't. I think

1132
00:50:01,359 --> 00:50:04,319
that will really round out this economic

1133
00:50:04,319 --> 00:50:05,680
vision. And that was the only things I

1134
00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,839
had with the vision. Otherwise, I love

1135
00:50:07,839 --> 00:50:09,680
it. I would sign off on it today. If

1136
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,960
these are added to it,

1137
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,839
it's next to the Bible. I love it.

1138
00:50:15,839 --> 00:50:16,640
>> Thank you, Andrew.

1139
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:16,960
>> Yeah,

1140
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,319
>> Brent,

1141
00:50:18,319 --> 00:50:20,880
>> uh, no questions. I just appreciate the

1142
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,119
process and Max's assistance with this

1143
00:50:23,119 --> 00:50:25,119
and all the work that's gone into it,

1144
00:50:25,119 --> 00:50:26,640
especially for Ryan. I know he's not

1145
00:50:26,640 --> 00:50:28,000
online, but thanks Ryan for all you've

1146
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,319
done and it's been very helpful to be a

1147
00:50:30,319 --> 00:50:32,480
part of this for the last what it's been

1148
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,720
a long time. So, I was glad to glad to

1149
00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:37,359
see it coming to fruition. Um, I like

1150
00:50:37,359 --> 00:50:40,640
the resident involvement and how it

1151
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,559
corresponded with what I heard

1152
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:44,880
throughout the time I was running for

1153
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,200
office and the two plus years we've I've

1154
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:50,000
been serving about how people like the

1155
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:51,520
residential feel of Alpine and want to

1156
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:52,960
maintain that. We're not really looking

1157
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:57,839
for a lot more um traffic and and noise

1158
00:50:57,839 --> 00:50:59,839
and congestion, but keep it as a small

1159
00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:01,680
town. That's all.

1160
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:03,680
>> Thank you, Jessica.

1161
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,839
>> I appreciated your comments, Andrew. I

1162
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:07,680
think there are some areas where we

1163
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:11,520
could add some of those anchoring

1164
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,240
words to make sure that we don't lose

1165
00:51:14,240 --> 00:51:17,359
our heritage. But just no real other

1166
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:20,000
comments on the draft of this section.

1167
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,240
But in addition to you know when we

1168
00:51:22,240 --> 00:51:23,839
started looking at this Chrissy I think

1169
00:51:23,839 --> 00:51:26,559
it was maybe four years ago it was three

1170
00:51:26,559 --> 00:51:28,319
or four years ago we started a steering

1171
00:51:28,319 --> 00:51:30,319
commission or a steering committee in

1172
00:51:30,319 --> 00:51:32,960
the summer and that was actually driven

1173
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,920
by there was a there was an application

1174
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:38,640
for use but it was also residents I I

1175
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:41,119
mean I remember I couldn't go to a

1176
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:43,599
public event and residents wouldn't say

1177
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:45,760
can you fix our main street and I would

1178
00:51:45,760 --> 00:51:48,720
say what does that look like? So three

1179
00:51:48,720 --> 00:51:50,960
years later, you know, it has been very

1180
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:52,640
resonant driven. I would say they

1181
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:54,000
actually were the beginning of it and

1182
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,920
then we had applications and so it's

1183
00:51:55,920 --> 00:52:00,000
really um nice to have this stage that

1184
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:01,599
we're at this stage and we can start to

1185
00:52:01,599 --> 00:52:04,000
solidify and then move into the

1186
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,000
development code and I had a question

1187
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,400
for Dan because as I look at this

1188
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,599
document there's a piece missing but it

1189
00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:13,440
may not be appropriate for the visioning

1190
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,640
part. It may actually need to be part of

1191
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:18,559
the you said you're going to work on the

1192
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:21,839
development code side and it has to do

1193
00:52:21,839 --> 00:52:25,040
with the oversight and who's actually

1194
00:52:25,040 --> 00:52:28,960
looking and reviewing our overall um

1195
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:31,040
applications to make sure that they meet

1196
00:52:31,040 --> 00:52:33,280
our design standards because right now

1197
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,280
we don't have professionals doing that.

1198
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,960
I think of it in the same way as we have

1199
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,839
an engineer that says a foundation of a

1200
00:52:39,839 --> 00:52:41,599
home is engineered to the certain

1201
00:52:41,599 --> 00:52:46,480
standards. I um we just at this stage

1202
00:52:46,480 --> 00:52:48,400
need professional help because you can

1203
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:50,319
see without it we're not [clears throat]

1204
00:52:50,319 --> 00:52:52,880
getting again what our residents are

1205
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,480
asking for. They don't know how to get

1206
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:56,400
there. They just say fix it. So I think

1207
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,440
fixing it means getting pro more um

1208
00:52:59,440 --> 00:53:01,200
professionals involved at the

1209
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,000
application stage. And would that be in

1210
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:05,520
part of this draft or would that be

1211
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:07,680
something that would come into the

1212
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:10,480
development code process?

1213
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:12,640
Well, ideally the goal is to have a

1214
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,359
development code that's um

1215
00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:17,760
understandable by the lay person and

1216
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:21,599
it's clear um it doesn't conflict and it

1217
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:24,960
provides enough detail that you don't

1218
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,520
have to have a you know layers of

1219
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:29,839
professional staff to interpret it in

1220
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:31,520
order to get the result that you want.

1221
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,720
So um that's the ideal that's what we we

1222
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:37,839
would be working towards with the city.

1223
00:53:37,839 --> 00:53:41,599
Um, what I always advise u any city

1224
00:53:41,599 --> 00:53:45,119
that's working on codes though is if you

1225
00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:48,079
don't know exactly what you want and

1226
00:53:48,079 --> 00:53:50,000
exactly what you don't want in your

1227
00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:51,807
community, it's hard to write

1228
00:53:51,807 --> 00:53:53,599
[clears throat] code

1229
00:53:53,599 --> 00:53:57,119
that addresses that. The more certain

1230
00:53:57,119 --> 00:53:59,040
you are and the more clear you can be

1231
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,119
about that, it is the easier it is to

1232
00:54:01,119 --> 00:54:04,559
write the code around it. um even to the

1233
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:06,480
degree that a lot of times when we're

1234
00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,160
writing these types of code projects,

1235
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:12,319
we'll take uh hypothetical bad projects

1236
00:54:12,319 --> 00:54:14,559
and good projects and we'll kind of test

1237
00:54:14,559 --> 00:54:16,800
run it through your code to see if your

1238
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,200
code filters out projects that you don't

1239
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:22,800
like. you know, if a a a developer or

1240
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,440
someone or a property owner wants to try

1241
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,680
to squeeze through something that is

1242
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,839
really unfavorable, you know, by the the

1243
00:54:29,839 --> 00:54:31,760
council and the community. Does your

1244
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:35,520
code allow you to um to exclude that

1245
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,640
type of development and then vice versa,

1246
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,440
positive development? Is are you uh

1247
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,800
encouraging and providing uh information

1248
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,160
for them?

1249
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,400
uh other communities too. We've even

1250
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:51,520
done worked on uh pre-approved

1251
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,359
development

1252
00:54:53,359 --> 00:54:55,599
um building types and and things like

1253
00:54:55,599 --> 00:54:59,280
that so that to provide a fast track to

1254
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:03,040
uh good development, good and in quotes,

1255
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:04,880
you know, good meaning consistent with

1256
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:06,800
your local values and and

1257
00:55:06,800 --> 00:55:08,400
contextsensitive.

1258
00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,079
Um, we included a task in this project

1259
00:55:12,079 --> 00:55:14,240
talking about the possibility of what

1260
00:55:14,240 --> 00:55:17,839
if, um, the city wanted to acquire some

1261
00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:19,920
properties that are strategically

1262
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,880
located that are isolated from

1263
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:24,240
neighborhoods because they only have

1264
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:28,160
direct access on Main Street. What if um

1265
00:55:28,160 --> 00:55:30,400
those properties came on the open market

1266
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:32,480
and the city had a policy and a process

1267
00:55:32,480 --> 00:55:35,920
to purchase those and reszone them if

1268
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:38,559
appropriate and partner with a developer

1269
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:41,760
to do something really neat um in that

1270
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,880
location. So I mean those are some

1271
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,280
specific strategies that you can do to

1272
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,079
get the right development and the right

1273
00:55:50,079 --> 00:55:53,440
location you know on specific parcels

1274
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,559
and uh you can write the code and clear

1275
00:55:56,559 --> 00:55:58,400
language know what you want and what you

1276
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:01,200
don't want. Um, those would be my my

1277
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,400
suggestions. Um, without obviously

1278
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:06,319
having to hire additional staff, which

1279
00:56:06,319 --> 00:56:08,079
the city like

1280
00:56:08,079 --> 00:56:09,760
>> hiring additional staff, it was putting

1281
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,400
it on the applicant just like, you know,

1282
00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,640
if I'm permitting for a house, I have to

1283
00:56:14,640 --> 00:56:16,640
pay for structural engineer. The city

1284
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,559
doesn't, you know, and I have to pay

1285
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:21,040
fees. So, it would be just another fee

1286
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,720
that the applicant would take on to be

1287
00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:26,880
able to build in the city of Alpine. You

1288
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:29,200
know, right now what we have is

1289
00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:30,720
everything you see on our main street

1290
00:56:30,720 --> 00:56:33,680
met code. And so I'm glad that there's a

1291
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,160
next step to work on our development

1292
00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:40,400
code. And you know, if we can get there,

1293
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,160
you know, through that I I hear what

1294
00:56:42,160 --> 00:56:44,480
you're saying that's ideal,

1295
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,040
but um right now we're pretty far from

1296
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:49,440
that. And this is a visioning statement

1297
00:56:49,440 --> 00:56:51,040
to your point. This isn't a statement

1298
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,559
where we are able to point to a certain

1299
00:56:54,559 --> 00:56:57,599
statute or require certain standards to

1300
00:56:57,599 --> 00:56:58,319
be met.

1301
00:56:58,319 --> 00:57:00,400
>> Yeah, you're going to need to codify

1302
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:03,599
this into language that

1303
00:57:03,599 --> 00:57:05,839
>> that gets the job done. Yeah.

1304
00:57:05,839 --> 00:57:06,720
>> Okay. Thank you.

1305
00:57:06,720 --> 00:57:07,760
>> Yeah. Hopefully I answered your

1306
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:08,559
question.

1307
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:10,160
>> Yeah. And if I could just jump in, I

1308
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:11,520
guess, real quick, um, to add on to what

1309
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:13,520
Dan said, I think if you've been able to

1310
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:15,839
look at the design standards in the in

1311
00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:18,880
this small area plan, they are very

1312
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:23,119
extensive and maybe detailed in a way

1313
00:57:23,119 --> 00:57:24,799
that you like or don't like, but feel

1314
00:57:24,799 --> 00:57:26,160
free to as we talk about that in a

1315
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,160
future meeting to call that out or talk

1316
00:57:28,160 --> 00:57:29,839
about it. But they are very, very

1317
00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:32,160
detailed. And so to complement what

1318
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,480
Dan's saying, eventually if we want to

1319
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:36,559
codify that type of detail, we

1320
00:57:36,559 --> 00:57:38,559
definitely can to help the area grow in

1321
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:40,640
that way, but just getting this plan

1322
00:57:40,640 --> 00:57:43,520
adopted eventually will help with that.

1323
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,599
So

1324
00:57:45,599 --> 00:57:47,760
>> mayor, just a comment from kind of a

1325
00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:49,520
historical perspective. So when the

1326
00:57:49,520 --> 00:57:51,440
gateway historic guidelines were

1327
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:53,680
created, I don't recall the year, it was

1328
00:57:53,680 --> 00:57:58,000
quite a probably 20 years ago or so. Um,

1329
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,319
I think the city enlisted the help of an

1330
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:02,880
architect named Saurin Simson. He kind

1331
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,520
of works on projects with a historical

1332
00:58:05,520 --> 00:58:06,720
flavor. I don't know if he's still

1333
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,400
around. I haven't heard his name for a

1334
00:58:08,400 --> 00:58:11,760
long time, but um, so the guidelines

1335
00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:13,359
were created and then there was a

1336
00:58:13,359 --> 00:58:17,040
committee. He served on it. Um I I think

1337
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,559
the only paid member and then there as I

1338
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:21,839
recall there was like a planning

1339
00:58:21,839 --> 00:58:23,280
commission member, a city council

1340
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:27,599
member, uh a local businessman, um and

1341
00:58:27,599 --> 00:58:30,240
maybe a resident some the makeup was

1342
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,319
something similar to that. And it

1343
00:58:32,319 --> 00:58:34,770
operated that way for years. And it

1344
00:58:34,770 --> 00:58:36,880
[clears throat] seems like

1345
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:39,119
when a project like a commercial project

1346
00:58:39,119 --> 00:58:41,200
would come in, they would submit the

1347
00:58:41,200 --> 00:58:42,880
plan. They'd have to go through that

1348
00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:44,960
committee first and then it would go to

1349
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,599
planning commission and city council.

1350
00:58:47,599 --> 00:58:49,359
I don't recall the year, but for some

1351
00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:51,760
reason the city went away from that. I

1352
00:58:51,760 --> 00:58:53,599
don't know if it was a cost issue, if it

1353
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:55,599
was hard to get people together. I I

1354
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:57,359
don't recall. I wasn't involved with the

1355
00:58:57,359 --> 00:58:59,760
committee, so I don't know. I just on

1356
00:58:59,760 --> 00:59:02,160
the outside know kind of how it

1357
00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:04,799
functioned. they went away from it and

1358
00:59:04,799 --> 00:59:06,799
put that responsibility in the hands of

1359
00:59:06,799 --> 00:59:08,720
the planning commission and that's how

1360
00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:12,720
it's been ever since. Um, so I don't

1361
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:14,960
know if that helps anything at all, but

1362
00:59:14,960 --> 00:59:17,440
that's kind of a little bit of history

1363
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:22,069
that goes along with those guidelines.

1364
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:23,520
Sarah, did you have

1365
00:59:23,520 --> 00:59:25,200
>> um two questions and then just a few

1366
00:59:25,200 --> 00:59:28,960
comments. Um with on page 11 when it

1367
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:30,400
talks about, you know, people could come

1368
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:35,920
in and put flags or pens on things. I'm just curious if the people attending

1369
00:59:35,920 --> 00:59:38,160
um if they were a good actual

1370
00:59:38,160 --> 00:59:40,000
representation of the population of

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00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:43,359
Alpine demographically like you know we

1372
00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:45,520
talk about the demographics later in the

1373
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:47,599
in this document and it talks about like

1374
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:52,160
ages, races, that sort of thing. So when

1375
00:59:52,160 --> 00:59:54,319
I look at, you know, some of the results

1376
00:59:54,319 --> 00:59:57,119
of what they liked slash didn't like on

1377
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:00,400
that same page, I'm just in my head I

1378
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:03,599
think um well, did we I don't know if

1379
01:00:03,599 --> 01:00:06,319
there was any um statistics taken that

1380
01:00:06,319 --> 01:00:07,839
way. Is it

1381
01:00:07,839 --> 01:00:09,839
>> we always I wasn't involved in all the

1382
01:00:09,839 --> 01:00:12,000
public outreach um for the project, but

1383
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,079
yes, we always strive to have a a

1384
01:00:14,079 --> 01:00:16,000
representative cross-section of the

1385
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:17,839
communities. Sometimes you can't do that

1386
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:21,920
and sometimes you need um information or

1387
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:24,640
gatekeepers that represent certain

1388
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:28,160
segments of the population, seniors or

1389
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,720
um people with uh special needs and and

1390
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:33,040
things like that to make sure that their

1391
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:37,200
input is included. Um I without looking

1392
01:00:37,200 --> 01:00:39,440
at it, there might be in the um

1393
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:42,480
appendices um some documentation of that

1394
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:45,520
public engagement process. And I'm not I

1395
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,280
don't recall if they collected

1396
01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:51,440
demographic information on them. Um but

1397
01:00:51,440 --> 01:00:52,480
we did [clears throat]

1398
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:55,599
the open houses that were held as you um

1399
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:57,680
recall were well attended. We had a good

1400
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,599
number of people. Um I helped lead a uh

1401
01:01:01,599 --> 01:01:04,640
a focus group of of neighbors for for

1402
01:01:04,640 --> 01:01:08,079
one of the gateways. And um I think

1403
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:10,079
generally in in my experience with doing

1404
01:01:10,079 --> 01:01:13,839
these types of projects um I feel like

1405
01:01:13,839 --> 01:01:17,520
we've done a good job when when you do

1406
01:01:17,520 --> 01:01:19,520
additional public outreach and

1407
01:01:19,520 --> 01:01:22,400
additional types of public outreach and

1408
01:01:22,400 --> 01:01:26,079
you stop getting new comments. you just

1409
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:28,799
you kind of get the same not the same

1410
01:01:28,799 --> 01:01:30,880
comments, but they start falling into

1411
01:01:30,880 --> 01:01:32,720
the categories

1412
01:01:32,720 --> 01:01:36,000
of commonalities that we all share and

1413
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:38,720
there's not that many outliers. And so

1414
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:40,799
even if we don't have uh that fully

1415
01:01:40,799 --> 01:01:46,480
documented as part of the the process, I feel pretty pretty confident that we

1416
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,960
identified what those key commonalities

1417
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:52,480
are and we don't have a lot of outliers.

1418
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,400
>> I appreciate that explanation. I was

1419
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:56,559
just more out of curiosity just kind of

1420
01:01:56,559 --> 01:01:57,839
trying to understand that. My other

1421
01:01:57,839 --> 01:02:00,319
question had to do with nature play but

1422
01:02:00,319 --> 01:02:02,079
I did look that up so I don't need to

1423
01:02:02,079 --> 01:02:03,760
ask that question. I just found it

1424
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,480
really interesting that that one got a

1425
01:02:06,480 --> 01:02:08,799
lot of marks and then in the document

1426
01:02:08,799 --> 01:02:10,799
itself that prioritize it says that we

1427
01:02:10,799 --> 01:02:13,680
should prioritize trails and open space

1428
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,720
and an active outdoor lifestyle. And I I

1429
01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:18,880
love what Andrew said about, you know,

1430
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,520
horses and also we don't just have

1431
01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,200
mountain bikers here in Alpine that

1432
01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:25,440
utilize the trails, but maybe we should

1433
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,880
look into having designated equestrian

1434
01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:32,000
days on our trails or I don't know,

1435
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:33,359
>> don't forget about runners,

1436
01:02:33,359 --> 01:02:35,040
>> something like [laughter] that.

1437
01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,680
>> Just something that kind of matches a

1438
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:40,559
little bit more our diverse demographic.

1439
01:02:40,559 --> 01:02:41,920
So, I just wanted to throw that out

1440
01:02:41,920 --> 01:02:44,400
there as an idea. And I love how Jessica

1441
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:46,559
always says or sorry, Councilwoman

1442
01:02:46,559 --> 01:02:50,319
Smeuan and Council Member um Young I

1443
01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:52,640
trying to respect the title um say that

1444
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,040
we don't have a a rec center in Alpine

1445
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,319
and but our rec center is outdoors. So,

1446
01:02:58,319 --> 01:03:00,000
just I love that this kind of

1447
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,240
reemphasizes that push to make sure that

1448
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:06,240
we have, you know, this community where

1449
01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,480
we have walking trails, we have biking

1450
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,319
trails, we have equestrian trails, we

1451
01:03:10,319 --> 01:03:13,760
have ways for us to build community and

1452
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,079
a healthy lifestyle. So, I just love

1453
01:03:16,079 --> 01:03:18,400
that that reiterizes that. And that's

1454
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:20,000
all,

1455
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:21,039
>> Chrissy.

1456
01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:23,280
>> Thank you. Um, I just thanks for letting

1457
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:26,400
my voice rest, you guys. Um, I just want

1458
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:28,720
to make sure we're just talking about

1459
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:30,799
the vision, right? Because I have more

1460
01:03:30,799 --> 01:03:32,400
comments about the second part. Okay,

1461
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:34,480
these will be brief.

1462
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:37,280
Um, I really appreciated like

1463
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:40,079
summarizing because it was very much an

1464
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:42,559
interactive process and so sometimes

1465
01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:44,160
like when we come to council meeting I

1466
01:03:44,160 --> 01:03:45,359
love reading the minutes because like oh

1467
01:03:45,359 --> 01:03:47,280
that's what really happened because I'm

1468
01:03:47,280 --> 01:03:49,599
like relating to different things and so

1469
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:51,440
this document really brought together a

1470
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:55,280
lot of community input and um uh Dan

1471
01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,200
helped facilitate the selection

1472
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,280
committee and one two of the things that

1473
01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:00,960
stood out to this particular group that

1474
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,440
put this together was that they are all

1475
01:04:03,440 --> 01:04:05,119
Every single staff member is trained on

1476
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:08,079
cherettes and that's um a specific way

1477
01:04:08,079 --> 01:04:10,720
to gather information by providing

1478
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,440
specific feedback like the flags and

1479
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:16,160
other things. Um like so there's a

1480
01:04:16,160 --> 01:04:18,079
picture in here. You can kind of see

1481
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:20,400
everyone together on page four if you

1482
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:22,319
want to bring up that picture. Like

1483
01:04:22,319 --> 01:04:24,240
that's that's our sculpture garden guy.

1484
01:04:24,240 --> 01:04:26,559
There's an artist who lives here. Here's

1485
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:28,960
artist um artist. She's the committee

1486
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:31,599
chair of our sculpture garden. So yeah,

1487
01:04:31,599 --> 01:04:33,520
there was a little heaviness towards the

1488
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,920
historic beautifification of Alpine in

1489
01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:37,920
this particular sharet. Whereas if you

1490
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:40,000
went to another table, it was the

1491
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:42,480
commercial builders that were there. And

1492
01:04:42,480 --> 01:04:43,920
there was another one talking about

1493
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:46,240
residential building. So everything

1494
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:48,559
table sort of had a focus to give you

1495
01:04:48,559 --> 01:04:51,359
some context there. Um and oh there's

1496
01:04:51,359 --> 01:04:54,319
Jen too, Jen Watssworth and she's all

1497
01:04:54,319 --> 01:04:56,240
about the library. So again, more how to

1498
01:04:56,240 --> 01:04:59,200
use our civic space was sort of this

1499
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:01,680
specific table, but this is just the

1500
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:03,119
picture they put in here, whereas

1501
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:05,119
there's like there was tables going all

1502
01:05:05,119 --> 01:05:07,359
around speaking about very specific

1503
01:05:07,359 --> 01:05:09,039
things where people had specific

1504
01:05:09,039 --> 01:05:11,599
interests. So looking at the timeline, I

1505
01:05:11,599 --> 01:05:14,079
did think I had to get out my real good

1506
01:05:14,079 --> 01:05:16,000
glasses. We actually started this in

1507
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:19,200
August of 2024. So if we can wrap this

1508
01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:21,920
up, let's get going, you know, like it's

1509
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,000
been a long time. And that the date on

1510
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:25,520
the front of this document is November

1511
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,559
2025. So I mean we we really got to like

1512
01:05:28,559 --> 01:05:31,039
um wrap it up so we can get to the

1513
01:05:31,039 --> 01:05:33,039
second part which is the implementation

1514
01:05:33,039 --> 01:05:36,000
which is critical. I did um so I did

1515
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,480
appreciate this part of the plan. I did

1516
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,079
also want to talk about the feedback

1517
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:42,480
loop. Um if you will will you pull up

1518
01:05:42,480 --> 01:05:44,880
page eight?

1519
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,559
Madame Heidi or Madam Smith. Thank you.

1520
01:05:48,559 --> 01:05:51,520
All right. Um

1521
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,760
this was just a really good exercise in

1522
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,520
us talking about what are some options

1523
01:05:55,520 --> 01:05:58,559
for some undeveloped space. Right at the

1524
01:05:58,559 --> 01:06:00,400
beginning the consultants recognize that

1525
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,799
in order to do something different we

1526
01:06:02,799 --> 01:06:04,880
have to sort of have a conglomeration of

1527
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,280
space otherwise it's just hodge podge of

1528
01:06:07,280 --> 01:06:09,440
this and that and so they highlighted a

1529
01:06:09,440 --> 01:06:11,520
couple areas. Some of it is south of the

1530
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:14,000
roundabout. We have what we started to

1531
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,240
call the field so that we would remove

1532
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:17,440
ownership [clears throat] and all that

1533
01:06:17,440 --> 01:06:18,559
kind of stuff away from it. We just

1534
01:06:18,559 --> 01:06:20,880
called it the field, make it neutral.

1535
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:22,319
And then we thought about, okay, do we

1536
01:06:22,319 --> 01:06:23,920
want more commercial business? Do we

1537
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,319
want more just leave it as it is? Do we

1538
01:06:26,319 --> 01:06:28,000
want to do something special in this one

1539
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,480
space? And you can see the little jars

1540
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,440
here, what the feedback was. And so this

1541
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:36,240
was just sort of an illustration of how

1542
01:06:36,240 --> 01:06:39,039
the committee would work to say what's

1543
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:40,960
possible. And like Ryan used to always

1544
01:06:40,960 --> 01:06:43,039
say, um, [clears throat]

1545
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:44,640
what do we want to be when we grow up?

1546
01:06:44,640 --> 01:06:47,039
So if this land sells and is developed,

1547
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:48,319
what do we want it to be? do we want it

1548
01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:51,200
to be 100% residential? And so it was a

1549
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,000
interactive process where they didn't

1550
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:56,079
come and say this is the best use. You

1551
01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:58,480
know, it's, you know, this is we're the

1552
01:06:58,480 --> 01:07:00,400
experts. That was not the process at

1553
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:02,559
all. It was very interactive with our

1554
01:07:02,559 --> 01:07:04,319
public. And so I appreciate your

1555
01:07:04,319 --> 01:07:06,079
comments um having run for office and

1556
01:07:06,079 --> 01:07:08,160
being out among the people that we

1557
01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:09,599
haven't changed much in two years. We

1558
01:07:09,599 --> 01:07:11,440
still have the same priorities as we did

1559
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,680
in you know when we were doing this in

1560
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:17,466
um the summer of 2024. Um let's

1561
01:07:17,466 --> 01:07:18,720
[clears throat] see what other thing did

1562
01:07:18,720 --> 01:07:24,079
I want to say about this um part. Um

1563
01:07:24,079 --> 01:07:26,319
I think that's it.

1564
01:07:26,319 --> 01:07:26,799
>> Okay.

1565
01:07:26,799 --> 01:07:28,319
>> Thank you. [clears throat]

1566
01:07:28,319 --> 01:07:30,799
>> Let's move on to the next section which

1567
01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:33,910
is

1568
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:34,880
» Yeah. Are we at the

1569
01:07:34,880 --> 01:07:37,680
>> Well, they're moving on. Uh what you let

1570
01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:38,720
me know when to start, but I was just

1571
01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,000
going to ask them a couple questions or

1572
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:40,640
do you want me to wait

1573
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:42,079
>> regarding what?

1574
01:07:42,079 --> 01:07:43,680
>> It's half It's in the middle of vision

1575
01:07:43,680 --> 01:07:45,920
in the next section. It's one comment

1576
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:47,760
and one question, but it will it will it

1577
01:07:47,760 --> 01:07:49,119
will springboard us into the next

1578
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:52,880
section. The one comment is can we uh or

1579
01:07:52,880 --> 01:07:55,920
can you I I come from an industry where

1580
01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:58,559
we have to create a movie or a video

1581
01:07:58,559 --> 01:08:00,640
game or a world. You're kind of doing

1582
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,280
the same thing but in real life. And

1583
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:06,160
what people will say like we can we do

1584
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:07,520
this, can we add this? Couldn't it look

1585
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:09,520
like this? And they'll talk and then at

1586
01:08:09,520 --> 01:08:11,280
some point they make what's called a

1587
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:13,760
target piece. It's usually an image and

1588
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,920
it targets what we want it to look like.

1589
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:17,440
I know you have uh several good

1590
01:08:17,440 --> 01:08:19,920
examples. Could we try to provide some

1591
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,719
of those or get artists to work on what

1592
01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:24,880
the main street vision target piece

1593
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,960
would be and then people can react to it

1594
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,759
and they usually react to it negatively

1595
01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:31,279
and say, "No, no, that's not what I'm

1596
01:08:31,279 --> 01:08:33,359
thinking." Or they react to, "Yes,

1597
01:08:33,359 --> 01:08:35,440
that's what I'm thinking. Could we maybe

1598
01:08:35,440 --> 01:08:37,120
include some target pieces?"

1599
01:08:37,120 --> 01:08:39,120
>> Andrew, they did do that during the open

1600
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,679
houses. They had target p what you call

1601
01:08:41,679 --> 01:08:43,440
target pieces on what the buildings

1602
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:44,719
would look like, what the structures

1603
01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:46,319
would look like, whether it was going to

1604
01:08:46,319 --> 01:08:48,719
be um mixeduse, whether it was going to

1605
01:08:48,719 --> 01:08:50,480
be residential and what those buildings

1606
01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:52,640
would look like. And then people came in

1607
01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:54,960
again with these stickers. So that was

1608
01:08:54,960 --> 01:08:56,400
part of the process.

1609
01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:58,640
>> Oh, okay. Is this the same photos that

1610
01:08:58,640 --> 01:08:59,679
are in here? The same

1611
01:08:59,679 --> 01:09:00,960
>> No, no. A lot of the

1612
01:09:00,960 --> 01:09:03,279
>> Well, a lot of the there was way more

1613
01:09:03,279 --> 01:09:05,120
presented and then

1614
01:09:05,120 --> 01:09:06,799
>> they curated what they presented in

1615
01:09:06,799 --> 01:09:07,199
here.

1616
01:09:07,199 --> 01:09:09,120
>> Okay. I like these. What I mean is it's

1617
01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:10,719
more like when you're it's more like an

1618
01:09:10,719 --> 01:09:12,719
architectural rendering of a building,

1619
01:09:12,719 --> 01:09:15,359
but it's of a street and it anyways.

1620
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:16,799
Take it or leave it. That's what we do.

1621
01:09:16,799 --> 01:09:17,440
And

1622
01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:19,679
>> then you get Mario, but [laughter]

1623
01:09:19,679 --> 01:09:21,359
>> this is what they did do.

1624
01:09:21,359 --> 01:09:23,199
>> Okay. Okay. Okay. If you have those, uh,

1625
01:09:23,199 --> 01:09:24,640
forward them my way. I'd love to look at

1626
01:09:24,640 --> 01:09:26,080
them. Um, and and

1627
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,319
>> they're in here. [clears throat]

1628
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:29,040
>> I'm sorry.

1629
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:32,000
>> Yeah. I think I think Dan is a local. We

1630
01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:34,560
hired consultants from another place. So

1631
01:09:34,560 --> 01:09:37,120
he he he's our he's our bridge but he's

1632
01:09:37,120 --> 01:09:38,159
not the creator.

1633
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:40,560
>> Okay. Well that's that was just the idea

1634
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:41,520
question.

1635
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:42,880
>> The next section um

1636
01:09:42,880 --> 01:09:44,560
>> okay for the next section

1637
01:09:44,560 --> 01:09:47,040
>> so we the okay so we talked about the

1638
01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:50,080
alpine corridors. Um let's discuss what

1639
01:09:50,080 --> 01:09:53,759
so let's put back the map maybe was it

1640
01:09:53,759 --> 01:09:57,280
page 35 is that it

1641
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:00,239
>> 10

1642
01:10:00,239 --> 01:10:02,239
page 23

1643
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:03,600
>> I think it's the page after that where

1644
01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:04,239
we would start

1645
01:10:04,239 --> 01:10:06,800
>> is the beginning

1646
01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,560
>> well that was just one example though

1647
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:10,560
that wasn't all the corridor

1648
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:14,880
>> it goes from the vision to the process

1649
01:10:14,880 --> 01:10:16,719
of what they did which Chrissy really

1650
01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:18,239
did a wonderful job and then After that,

1651
01:10:18,239 --> 01:10:20,560
it starts going into Alpine Highway.

1652
01:10:20,560 --> 01:10:22,800
>> Yes. And it focuses on the Alpine City

1653
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:24,159
Gateway Corridors

1654
01:10:24,159 --> 01:10:26,080
>> and it like focuses just on like Alpine

1655
01:10:26,080 --> 01:10:28,480
Highway main street and then it branches

1656
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:31,440
into the west and the east corridors.

1657
01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:32,960
>> I think the best page actually to see

1658
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:34,880
all the corridors where we ended up is

1659
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:35,679
28.

1660
01:10:35,679 --> 01:10:37,840
>> Yeah, that's

1661
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:39,360
>> because like I said those three going

1662
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:41,440
across was just different versions

1663
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:43,280
>> and once we got the feedback we settled

1664
01:10:43,280 --> 01:10:44,560
on option

1665
01:10:44,560 --> 01:10:47,840
>> so let's go back up to 28. No, you dig.

1666
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:48,800
>> Is this the

1667
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:51,679
>> No, go up to page 28. It's the one page

1668
01:10:51,679 --> 01:10:52,719
28.

1669
01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:54,080
>> Yeah, that's

1670
01:10:54,080 --> 01:10:56,159
>> Is this the page? The page is different

1671
01:10:56,159 --> 01:10:57,520
on the side than on the actual

1672
01:10:57,520 --> 01:11:07,669
>> That's what I'm getting confused. Okay.

1673
01:11:07,679 --> 01:11:08,960
» I was looking at the page number of the

1674
01:11:08,960 --> 01:11:12,640
packet. Not not the PDF, but the

1675
01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:14,719
>> printed document, not the PDF.

1676
01:11:14,719 --> 01:11:17,120
>> Okay. So, the 28

1677
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:17,679
Yes.

1678
01:11:17,679 --> 01:11:18,640
>> But [laughter]

1679
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:19,679
>> so Oh, no. Go back.

1680
01:11:19,679 --> 01:11:20,800
>> You did good.

1681
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,800
>> No, but Carla, we didn't settle on any

1682
01:11:22,800 --> 01:11:23,600
of those three.

1683
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:25,120
>> Oh, I know. I'm So,

1684
01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:26,960
>> Andrew doesn't have a history of

1685
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:27,840
>> Oh, okay.

1686
01:11:27,840 --> 01:11:29,120
>> Did you read the whole packet?

1687
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:29,440
>> Yeah.

1688
01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:31,280
>> Oh, okay. So, then we can go over this

1689
01:11:31,280 --> 01:11:32,320
then we don't have to go over it.

1690
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:33,440
>> Yeah, we can go over all of it or

1691
01:11:33,440 --> 01:11:35,040
whatever part. I love it all.

1692
01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:36,320
>> It sounds like you didn't

1693
01:11:36,320 --> 01:11:39,040
>> Yeah. I thought we had a plan to to be

1694
01:11:39,040 --> 01:11:40,960
prepared to discuss specific sections.

1695
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:41,440
>> Me, too.

1696
01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:42,960
>> Are we going past that today?

1697
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:45,199
>> No, no, no. I thought she was trying to

1698
01:11:45,199 --> 01:11:45,600
explain.

1699
01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:46,719
>> Were you under the understanding we were

1700
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:48,159
doing vision and what other parts?

1701
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:49,760
>> So we did the vision or so we're doing

1702
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,280
the vision and then we're going to go to

1703
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,280
the next section page 13.

1704
01:11:53,280 --> 01:11:55,199
>> Mayor, do you want us on the vision

1705
01:11:55,199 --> 01:11:57,600
section to give concrete

1706
01:11:57,600 --> 01:11:59,520
>> suggestions, motions or anything for

1707
01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:01,199
changes, improvements, or is that later?

1708
01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:03,120
>> I think you already did that, right?

1709
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:04,400
>> We didn't make any motions

1710
01:12:04,400 --> 01:12:05,120
>> because

1711
01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:06,719
>> Well, there's no motions going on right

1712
01:12:06,719 --> 01:12:08,320
now, but just suggestions and

1713
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:10,159
discussions on what could be added. So

1714
01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:12,320
Andrew said his

1715
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:14,239
>> um I know you made some comment there

1716
01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:16,400
were no additional um

1717
01:12:16,400 --> 01:12:17,440
>> so yeah we're taking

1718
01:12:17,440 --> 01:12:18,480
>> mine were mine were just

1719
01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:20,560
>> Do you have additional notes on it

1720
01:12:20,560 --> 01:12:21,520
>> for the other sections? Yeah

1721
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:22,480
>> on the vision.

1722
01:12:22,480 --> 01:12:22,960
>> No no no

1723
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,640
>> no for the vision I think we wrapped up

1724
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,560
and I like it just the understanding I

1725
01:12:26,560 --> 01:12:28,880
have mayor and everyone on the council

1726
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,120
is that they're going to take what we're

1727
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:34,080
talking about now and then do a rewrite.

1728
01:12:34,080 --> 01:12:36,080
>> So it's going to be Kaden that will be

1729
01:12:36,080 --> 01:12:36,480
doing it.

1730
01:12:36,480 --> 01:12:38,320
>> Oh you will? Okay with the help of the

1731
01:12:38,320 --> 01:12:40,159
consultant. Yes, the consultants will

1732
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:41,040
>> the consultants were done.

1733
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:42,719
>> No, I think they have three revisions.

1734
01:12:42,719 --> 01:12:43,600
>> They have one more.

1735
01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:45,120
>> The consultants took the planning

1736
01:12:45,120 --> 01:12:46,400
commission comments and now they're

1737
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:48,159
awaiting your decisions on what

1738
01:12:48,159 --> 01:12:49,679
>> That's right. No, you're right. So, yes,

1739
01:12:49,679 --> 01:12:50,000
that's

1740
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,920
>> So, we're we're kind of in my

1741
01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:52,880
understanding pitching [clears throat]

1742
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,280
them the suggestions we have as best as

1743
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:56,719
we can for them to put in that final

1744
01:12:56,719 --> 01:12:57,920
revision. Is that what everyone

1745
01:12:57,920 --> 01:12:58,800
understands?

1746
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:00,320
>> I have very specific things that I

1747
01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,080
already submitted, but like you said,

1748
01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:03,840
he's there. So, I can put those back

1749
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:05,760
into a document.

1750
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:08,239
>> Okay. So, we've already gone for we've

1751
01:13:08,239 --> 01:13:10,080
already gone over the vision for Alpine

1752
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:12,239
City's gateway corridors. We've kind of

1753
01:13:12,239 --> 01:13:14,080
gone through the project process,

1754
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,760
purpose of the plan.

1755
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:18,159
>> Let's go on to Alpine City Gateway

1756
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:20,400
Corridors today, which is page 13.

1757
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,120
>> Okay. Um

1758
01:13:23,120 --> 01:13:25,360
Dan or Kaden, did you guys have anything

1759
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,440
that you wanted to say about this area

1760
01:13:27,440 --> 01:13:30,320
specifically or should we allow council

1761
01:13:30,320 --> 01:13:32,640
to um

1762
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,800
>> this is just existing conditions and so

1763
01:13:34,800 --> 01:13:37,600
unless there's some inaccuracy of

1764
01:13:37,600 --> 01:13:40,239
representing current conditions, there's

1765
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:41,840
probably not a lot to discuss here.

1766
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:43,679
>> It was helpful to see because we

1767
01:13:43,679 --> 01:13:45,199
sometimes have our own ideas of what the

1768
01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:46,640
existing conditions were. This was nice

1769
01:13:46,640 --> 01:13:48,239
data.

1770
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:49,199
>> Is that helpful?

1771
01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:50,480
>> Yeah. Know if you didn't know. Yeah,

1772
01:13:50,480 --> 01:13:51,120
that would be good.

1773
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:51,920
>> Well, I didn't know we were

1774
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:53,600
>> Did you um did you want to make comments

1775
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:55,280
on this section or are you guys

1776
01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,040
>> I had a just two small points.

1777
01:13:57,040 --> 01:13:58,960
>> Okay. So, Andrew, go ahead. Let's start

1778
01:13:58,960 --> 01:13:59,600
with you. And

1779
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,120
>> my question might funnel into this. It

1780
01:14:01,120 --> 01:14:02,640
follows the page limit, but basically,

1781
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:04,080
and you were talking about it, land

1782
01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:06,800
acquisition, which this goes into, and

1783
01:14:06,800 --> 01:14:08,480
it goes into these other parts. My

1784
01:14:08,480 --> 01:14:10,239
question was, and it's for the council

1785
01:14:10,239 --> 01:14:13,360
as well, as we create this, I feel like

1786
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:14,960
we have kind of a fork in the road of

1787
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:17,520
how we use this, and I wanted to hear

1788
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,679
how staff and anyone else thinks we're

1789
01:14:19,679 --> 01:14:21,360
supposed to use this. So, I guess like

1790
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,800
what role do we have in as we make this

1791
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,120
plan to proactively work with developers

1792
01:14:27,120 --> 01:14:33,280
to achieve this vision and plan? Um, or will we just reference this? So, so

1793
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,360
will we proactively go after developers

1794
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,000
and go after land acquisition and try to

1795
01:14:38,000 --> 01:14:40,640
fulfill this vision and what's in this

1796
01:14:40,640 --> 01:14:43,920
or will it be when developers come will

1797
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,560
we just check out what they are doing

1798
01:14:46,560 --> 01:14:49,600
and say does this fit in our vision and

1799
01:14:49,600 --> 01:14:52,320
basically weigh it out based off of the

1800
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:53,120
vision.

1801
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:54,320
>> I don't think we're quite there yet.

1802
01:14:54,320 --> 01:14:56,480
We're just still on existing conditions.

1803
01:14:56,480 --> 01:14:58,000
We're not on implementation.

1804
01:14:58,000 --> 01:15:00,560
>> Okay, that that came from page nine but

1805
01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,360
anyways. Okay, save that question. I

1806
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,440
think it will help us as like how does

1807
01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:07,920
this tool of this great plan you've

1808
01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:10,159
created work in our implementation to

1809
01:15:10,159 --> 01:15:11,520
carry it out because it's going to be

1810
01:15:11,520 --> 01:15:13,760
with private land owners and it's going

1811
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:16,000
to be with people that own the land and

1812
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:17,280
come to us and want to do something. Do

1813
01:15:17,280 --> 01:15:19,280
we check this? So, you get the question.

1814
01:15:19,280 --> 01:15:22,159
Okay. Um, from page 13 to what? Because

1815
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:24,320
I have it by page number and I just have

1816
01:15:24,320 --> 01:15:25,360
a couple questions so I don't want to go

1817
01:15:25,360 --> 01:15:28,159
out of line like I just did.

1818
01:15:28,159 --> 01:15:31,840
>> Page 13 to 22. 24. Where is that?

1819
01:15:31,840 --> 01:15:34,560
>> Okay. About to 24 to 13. 13.

1820
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:35,760
>> I might be out of order.

1821
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:38,159
>> 23 is the start of the Alpine City Main

1822
01:15:38,159 --> 01:15:39,280
Street Court. That's the next.

1823
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,120
>> Sorry, I have it flipped. Yeah. 13 to

1824
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:42,800
22.

1825
01:15:42,800 --> 01:15:46,407
>> Okay. Uh, let me just go. Um

1826
01:15:46,407 --> 01:15:48,480
[snorts] well right surrounding this you

1827
01:15:48,480 --> 01:15:50,239
talk a lot about

1828
01:15:50,239 --> 01:15:52,080
>> uh right surrounding this he talks a lot

1829
01:15:52,080 --> 01:15:56,239
about the taxes that we are missing the

1830
01:15:56,239 --> 01:15:59,600
uh large amount of taxing opportunity

1831
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:01,280
that we are missing from

1832
01:16:01,280 --> 01:16:02,080
>> the leakage study

1833
01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:03,760
>> the leakage yes it's it's right before

1834
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,960
in in these pages so cut me off if you

1835
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:08,159
don't want me to talk about whatever

1836
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:08,880
section

1837
01:16:08,880 --> 01:16:10,640
>> can't remember which section that was

1838
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:11,920
>> it's just here

1839
01:16:11,920 --> 01:16:13,760
>> I

1840
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,560
>> appreciated did that deep research and

1841
01:16:16,560 --> 01:16:20,719
those numbers are very um

1842
01:16:20,719 --> 01:16:23,760
uh alluring

1843
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:27,120
uh and uh I just wanted to bring up that

1844
01:16:27,120 --> 01:16:29,760
um it is a ve this is the strategy that

1845
01:16:29,760 --> 01:16:32,159
most cities are are doing right now. We

1846
01:16:32,159 --> 01:16:34,080
were just with Lynden and Eagle Mountain

1847
01:16:34,080 --> 01:16:35,840
and everyone and I loved talking to them

1848
01:16:35,840 --> 01:16:37,040
and finding out how they're doing their

1849
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:40,239
cities. So in this regard, I just wanted

1850
01:16:40,239 --> 01:16:44,719
to put one slight uh caution and that is

1851
01:16:44,719 --> 01:16:48,640
that um yes, this is a lot of money that

1852
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:50,960
we can gain. I mean approximately

1853
01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:52,560
137,000

1854
01:16:52,560 --> 01:16:54,880
square feet of retail space we have

1855
01:16:54,880 --> 01:16:57,920
available to put malls and whatever else

1856
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,080
under the sun we can think of. Um I just

1857
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:02,800
wanted to add at this portion a caution

1858
01:17:02,800 --> 01:17:04,480
that we might lose the thing that makes

1859
01:17:04,480 --> 01:17:06,320
this so valuable. So to do it in a

1860
01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:08,000
balanced way. So I don't know if there's

1861
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:10,080
a word we can put in this section while

1862
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:12,800
the uh people are going through this

1863
01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:15,199
who's going to be rewriting this to just

1864
01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:16,400
and I know you've put it in a lot of

1865
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,560
places but this really stands out. These

1866
01:17:18,560 --> 01:17:21,360
pages of retail analysis really stand

1867
01:17:21,360 --> 01:17:25,120
out and they're very like I mean 20 what

1868
01:17:25,120 --> 01:17:26,719
how many millions of dollars do you say

1869
01:17:26,719 --> 01:17:30,480
we are missing out on? like

1870
01:17:30,480 --> 01:17:34,080
>> tons like like a massive amount annual

1871
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:37,600
annually $95 million and so just that is

1872
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:40,080
so alluring every every I was talking to

1873
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:42,320
lint well I won't use cities I was

1874
01:17:42,320 --> 01:17:43,600
talking to a lot of cities that have

1875
01:17:43,600 --> 01:17:45,120
these type of monies I would just

1876
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:48,239
encourage if we in Alpine

1877
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:50,880
what I consider representing the people

1878
01:17:50,880 --> 01:17:53,760
they do not value money and retail as

1879
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,840
much as they value their rural open

1880
01:17:55,840 --> 01:17:58,800
space quiet lifestyle good place to

1881
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:00,320
retire, their religion, those types of

1882
01:18:00,320 --> 01:18:02,400
things. So just in when when this is

1883
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,719
broadcast, the way I looked at it is

1884
01:18:04,719 --> 01:18:06,080
this is wonderful. This is great news

1885
01:18:06,080 --> 01:18:08,159
for our future. Whatever we can do to

1886
01:18:08,159 --> 01:18:10,080
balance it would be I think what would

1887
01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:11,440
hit the nail on the head for the

1888
01:18:11,440 --> 01:18:14,159
residents here. Um, one more thing on

1889
01:18:14,159 --> 01:18:19,040
this section. Uh, and I love this. You bring up the gateway identity and

1890
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:20,560
you actually use the word identity. I

1891
01:18:20,560 --> 01:18:23,280
thought I was crazy for using that word.

1892
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:25,840
You guys use it all over this and I just

1893
01:18:25,840 --> 01:18:27,520
fell in love with this and you guys for

1894
01:18:27,520 --> 01:18:30,480
doing it. Um, it says each entrance

1895
01:18:30,480 --> 01:18:33,360
corridor. Uh, this is page if you want

1896
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,400
to go to it. Page 24 and 25. Oh, such a

1897
01:18:36,400 --> 01:18:37,840
good page.

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01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:38,960
>> Is that beyond? Is that beyond?

1899
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:39,840
>> Yeah, that's beyond.

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01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,239
>> I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I will save. Okay.

1901
01:18:42,239 --> 01:18:43,120
Let me So So

1902
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:44,080
>> that comment for next

1903
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:46,000
>> I apologize. So we are just talking

1904
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:47,840
about 13 to 21. Is that right? Then I'm

1905
01:18:47,840 --> 01:18:49,679
done. I'm only talking about the retail

1906
01:18:49,679 --> 01:18:50,880
thing. The takeway.

1907
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:53,199
>> I do have a question. So you got $95

1908
01:18:53,199 --> 01:18:55,040
million you're saying that you know

1909
01:18:55,040 --> 01:18:56,880
people are spending outside of the city.

1910
01:18:56,880 --> 01:18:59,199
Do we have any idea what percentage of

1911
01:18:59,199 --> 01:19:01,440
that is actually being captured online

1912
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:04,480
and then also what that translates to as

1913
01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:09,760
far as in you know sales tax revenue

1914
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,600
because 95 million sounds like a lot but

1915
01:19:11,600 --> 01:19:13,199
I'm curious to see you know how much in

1916
01:19:13,199 --> 01:19:14,960
sales tax revenue are we actually

1917
01:19:14,960 --> 01:19:17,120
missing out on that isn't being captured

1918
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:18,880
I know through online sales that I know

1919
01:19:18,880 --> 01:19:21,199
we're able to capture. So, I'm just kind

1920
01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:22,719
of curious on that and see what that

1921
01:19:22,719 --> 01:19:24,320
data looks like because yes, you look at

1922
01:19:24,320 --> 01:19:26,800
it 95 million that sounds like a ton,

1923
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:28,640
but I'd like to see kind of a little bit

1924
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:31,199
more information on that because really,

1925
01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:33,280
you know, yes, if we could have that

1926
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:35,199
close, but realistically, are we going

1927
01:19:35,199 --> 01:19:37,520
to have car dealerships in Alpine? No.

1928
01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,840
You know, we don't have freeway space.

1929
01:19:39,840 --> 01:19:41,120
Are we going to have big box? Are we

1930
01:19:41,120 --> 01:19:42,640
going to have a Home Depot? I don't

1931
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:44,480
think we want a Home Depot or Walmart. I

1932
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:46,239
don't think they want Alpine either. It

1933
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:48,159
doesn't make sense. So, a lot of this

1934
01:19:48,159 --> 01:19:50,719
money, it's like it's a huge amount, but

1935
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:54,080
I think what we can do is concentrate on

1936
01:19:54,080 --> 01:19:56,880
what um Andrew said is what makes sense

1937
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,360
for our city. And I definitely do think

1938
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:02,400
there's opportunities to capture

1939
01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:04,159
>> um you know, I think people have been

1940
01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:08,320
asking for more food choices, more, you

1941
01:20:08,320 --> 01:20:10,239
know, maybe boutiques to make it more

1942
01:20:10,239 --> 01:20:12,159
convenient. It just I think you have to

1943
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:14,239
be smart on what will work for our

1944
01:20:14,239 --> 01:20:17,600
community. Um, obviously, you know, we

1945
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:19,545
have spenders here. You know, there's

1946
01:20:19,545 --> 01:20:21,280
[clears throat] $95 million that are

1947
01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:23,440
being spent outside, but I am curious

1948
01:20:23,440 --> 01:20:25,199
how much of that we're able to capture

1949
01:20:25,199 --> 01:20:26,000
through online.

1950
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:26,719
>> Um, hello,

1951
01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:29,360
>> Mayor Merrill, if I may. Um, in appendix

1952
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:31,199
A, it talks about potential sales tax

1953
01:20:31,199 --> 01:20:34,880
revenue, and it talks about like ideally

1954
01:20:34,880 --> 01:20:37,440
we could capture between 60 and 80%

1955
01:20:37,440 --> 01:20:38,880
which would likely bring the city

1956
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:40,800
between 635,000.

1957
01:20:40,800 --> 01:20:43,040
>> That was a number I was looking for.

1958
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:44,480
>> Yeah.

1959
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:46,960
If it's if it's not in there, pardon me

1960
01:20:46,960 --> 01:20:49,600
for interrupting if I have, but uh we

1961
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,600
could Kaden, we could make a note to the

1962
01:20:51,600 --> 01:20:53,760
consultant to clarify that question

1963
01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:57,360
regarding uh online sales. And then just

1964
01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,679
one small comment. I wouldn't look at

1965
01:20:59,679 --> 01:21:01,280
those numbers and think of that as

1966
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,120
that's that's more of a book end of

1967
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:05,120
what's possible. It doesn't say it

1968
01:21:05,120 --> 01:21:06,239
doesn't mean to say that that's

1969
01:21:06,239 --> 01:21:09,280
appropriate or that you want it per se,

1970
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:11,679
but that's what's on the table

1971
01:21:11,679 --> 01:21:14,000
potentially out there. And then the

1972
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:17,120
community has to decide which pieces of

1973
01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:19,280
that are appropriate for our community

1974
01:21:19,280 --> 01:21:21,600
and how much of that is appropriate for

1975
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:24,800
our community. Um, and that's that's the

1976
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:26,880
real question. Not

1977
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:32,320
>> some some cities that's their that's all they do is pursue tax

1978
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,640
u sales tax. I don't think that's

1979
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:36,640
necessarily the goal of Alpine. So you

1980
01:21:36,640 --> 01:21:38,480
just need to define what that means to

1981
01:21:38,480 --> 01:21:40,880
you. Do you need us to define that clear

1982
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:43,679
so that in this retail capture section

1983
01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:46,080
it can guide people in the coming

1984
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:49,040
decades of how we see the retail capture

1985
01:21:49,040 --> 01:21:50,400
working best?

1986
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:52,480
>> I think that's something that we can

1987
01:21:52,480 --> 01:21:54,639
leave open. I mean we have our city

1988
01:21:54,639 --> 01:21:56,960
ordinances that allow certain retail and

1989
01:21:56,960 --> 01:22:00,320
some things that are not allowable. Um I

1990
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:03,040
think our city will change. I think you

1991
01:22:03,040 --> 01:22:04,560
know you have general guidelines and

1992
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:06,560
then as Dan mentioned that you know

1993
01:22:06,560 --> 01:22:08,880
they're saying there's this much that is

1994
01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:10,960
happening that's what's on the table

1995
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:12,800
then from that table you need to pick

1996
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:14,320
and choose what makes sense for your

1997
01:22:14,320 --> 01:22:16,960
community what makes sense now might not

1998
01:22:16,960 --> 01:22:19,600
make sense 20 years down the line or 10

1999
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:21,520
how often are we supposed to be updating

2000
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,280
this

2001
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:23,920
>> you know

2002
01:22:23,920 --> 01:22:26,159
>> it's like a general plan sometimes they

2003
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:26,560
>> like

2004
01:22:26,560 --> 01:22:28,960
>> they last for decades sometimes

2005
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,480
>> I I heard it was supposed to be like 5

2006
01:22:30,480 --> 01:22:31,840
to 10 years you're supposed to be

2007
01:22:31,840 --> 01:22:33,520
upgrading Yeah, it really it really

2008
01:22:33,520 --> 01:22:35,199
depends on the rate of growth, the rate

2009
01:22:35,199 --> 01:22:37,440
of change within your if there's not a

2010
01:22:37,440 --> 01:22:38,159
lot changing.

2011
01:22:38,159 --> 01:22:39,520
>> I was going to say where the delta is

2012
01:22:39,520 --> 01:22:41,840
really low here at Alpine. Maybe not.

2013
01:22:41,840 --> 01:22:44,639
>> I I would say it's pretty enduring and I

2014
01:22:44,639 --> 01:22:46,000
mean relatively speaking.

2015
01:22:46,000 --> 01:22:48,400
>> If you guys read the blue takeaways, I

2016
01:22:48,400 --> 01:22:50,159
feel like they summarized everything

2017
01:22:50,159 --> 01:22:52,320
you've just been saying in professional

2018
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:55,440
language. So, I I really appreciate like

2019
01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:58,320
I feel like they nailed it specifically

2020
01:22:58,320 --> 01:23:01,360
um when they talk about quant quality

2021
01:23:01,360 --> 01:23:03,360
over quantity. I mean, that's what we're

2022
01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:07,280
talking about. We don't want lowquality

2023
01:23:07,280 --> 01:23:10,080
product or lowquality retail. Want high

2024
01:23:10,080 --> 01:23:13,520
quality. So, quality over quantity.

2025
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,280
>> Maybe that's just what can be focused on

2026
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:16,159
in this section.

2027
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:17,520
>> Well, I I think it's here. I just don't

2028
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:19,120
know how maybe like that's a it's a

2029
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,120
presentation thing. Maybe that's in this

2030
01:23:21,120 --> 01:23:23,840
as you rewrite it. The title can be yes,

2031
01:23:23,840 --> 01:23:24,320
we love

2032
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:25,199
>> Hold on, I wasn't done.

2033
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:26,000
>> Oh, sorry.

2034
01:23:26,000 --> 01:23:28,000
>> Okay, thank you. [laughter] Um, also the

2035
01:23:28,000 --> 01:23:30,719
last paragraph talks about um the

2036
01:23:30,719 --> 01:23:32,000
steadily growing community with

2037
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:34,480
substantial unmet retail demand.

2038
01:23:34,480 --> 01:23:37,040
Therefore, it should goes on emphasize

2039
01:23:37,040 --> 01:23:39,840
quality, identity, walkability, and

2040
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:42,239
experiences rather than rapid density or

2041
01:23:42,239 --> 01:23:43,920
large-scale expansion. Now, they're

2042
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:45,600
talking specifically about commercial

2043
01:23:45,600 --> 01:23:48,480
development. And I think as we've seen,

2044
01:23:48,480 --> 01:23:51,679
we have a very de in demand experiential

2045
01:23:51,679 --> 01:23:54,880
um uh retail

2046
01:23:54,880 --> 01:23:57,120
with the Burgess Orchards. And I always

2047
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,040
say to myself, if somebody were putting

2048
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:00,880
peaches on top of ice cream in a strip

2049
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:02,400
mall,

2050
01:24:02,400 --> 01:24:04,639
that thing would fail in six months. But

2051
01:24:04,639 --> 01:24:07,199
if you put it right by an orchard and a

2052
01:24:07,199 --> 01:24:09,199
lot of people come to visit and they

2053
01:24:09,199 --> 01:24:11,760
love looking out over the field and just

2054
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:13,520
feeling like these are our roots and

2055
01:24:13,520 --> 01:24:15,920
we're losing that feeling out in the

2056
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:17,679
county like if you went to our Utah

2057
01:24:17,679 --> 01:24:19,679
League of City and towns they said in

2058
01:24:19,679 --> 01:24:21,199
the future Utah County is going to look

2059
01:24:21,199 --> 01:24:23,920
like Salt Lake County. I said oh

2060
01:24:23,920 --> 01:24:26,000
like that was like a stab to the heart

2061
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:27,600
because when you're in Salt Lake County

2062
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:30,239
you feel like the commercialism of it.

2063
01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:32,159
So that's what they like is an

2064
01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:35,600
experiential like reason to be there.

2065
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:37,440
And also the poppies, right? That's

2066
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:39,760
another big hit around here. If you put

2067
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:42,719
that poppy in a pot and like sold it in

2068
01:24:42,719 --> 01:24:46,639
the flower nursery in a strip mall, that

2069
01:24:46,639 --> 01:24:48,719
wouldn't be very attractive either. So

2070
01:24:48,719 --> 01:24:50,719
they're they're coming for the the out

2071
01:24:50,719 --> 01:24:53,679
the retail element has to somehow

2072
01:24:53,679 --> 01:24:55,600
include the very reason people move

2073
01:24:55,600 --> 01:24:56,800
here, which we've already heard from, so

2074
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:58,320
I won't repeat that. Running out of

2075
01:24:58,320 --> 01:25:00,320
voice. Okay. Okay. But I do think this

2076
01:25:00,320 --> 01:25:03,040
blue section, it's really small print

2077
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:04,800
and like maybe we could do like some

2078
01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:08,320
bold bold like big point ideas because I

2079
01:25:08,320 --> 01:25:09,920
feel like it summarized everything we've

2080
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:11,600
just been talking about in the

2081
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:13,520
professional language of the people we

2082
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,440
hired to do this plan.

2083
01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:16,480
>> Thank you.

2084
01:25:16,480 --> 01:25:18,400
>> I'm so not offended that we went out of

2085
01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:20,239
order because you [laughter] you've

2086
01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:21,760
covered everything that I was thinking

2087
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:25,040
of. You very well stated, Andrew, and the mayor. Thank you so much for

2088
01:25:25,040 --> 01:25:27,040
that. Um I think this is a little bit

2089
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:29,760
misleading this leakage because we

2090
01:25:29,760 --> 01:25:32,000
really don't have the space. We're for

2091
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:33,199
business commercial. We really don't

2092
01:25:33,199 --> 01:25:34,960
have the desire as we found in the

2093
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:37,040
public meetings to expand the business

2094
01:25:37,040 --> 01:25:38,960
commercial and we're a culde-sac

2095
01:25:38,960 --> 01:25:40,320
community. People are not going to come

2096
01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:42,400
to Alpine unless it's something specific

2097
01:25:42,400 --> 01:25:44,960
and maybe the ice cream is one example.

2098
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:48,639
But um just having that balance of what

2099
01:25:48,639 --> 01:25:51,360
the residents really want, understanding

2100
01:25:51,360 --> 01:25:55,600
our limitations on available land, and

2101
01:25:55,600 --> 01:25:57,199
we just basically have this main street

2102
01:25:57,199 --> 01:25:59,199
section that we have the potential. We

2103
01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:00,880
heard during the planning commission

2104
01:26:00,880 --> 01:26:04,560
hearings, some of the owners of these

2105
01:26:04,560 --> 01:26:07,520
um homes on the west side of Al on Main

2106
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:09,920
Street primarily said they're ready.

2107
01:26:09,920 --> 01:26:11,120
to do something. and

2108
01:26:11,120 --> 01:26:13,679
they're looking forward to this coming

2109
01:26:13,679 --> 01:26:15,120
and they have some suggestions on

2110
01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:17,199
setback changes

2111
01:26:17,199 --> 01:26:18,800
being able to have be a little closer so

2112
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:20,000
they have parking in the back which I

2113
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:21,600
think is a great idea so we're not

2114
01:26:21,600 --> 01:26:23,760
having more traffic and more parking on

2115
01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:25,120
Main Street where we want to have more

2116
01:26:25,120 --> 01:26:28,560
of that walkability. So uh yeah that is

2117
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,159
that's kind of the reality of what

2118
01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:33,679
Alpine is when you consider the section.

2119
01:26:33,679 --> 01:26:36,159
Yeah, my takeaways on this section also

2120
01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:38,719
wasn't that we were going to

2121
01:26:38,719 --> 01:26:42,800
fill 137 square feet or 137,000. I think

2122
01:26:42,800 --> 01:26:45,760
it was just is there something we could

2123
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:48,080
capture from this to show us the the

2124
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,000
potential that's there. I looked at it

2125
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,880
from a business owner side and and

2126
01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:56,239
really this is for them to to kind of

2127
01:26:56,239 --> 01:26:58,080
dismiss that narrative that we've heard

2128
01:26:58,080 --> 01:27:00,000
so long, which is business can't survive

2129
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,400
in Alpine. Well, it can if it's the

2130
01:27:02,400 --> 01:27:04,800
right business. And so that's what this

2131
01:27:04,800 --> 01:27:07,120
information is telling us. And then it's

2132
01:27:07,120 --> 01:27:09,760
up to us to determine what is the right

2133
01:27:09,760 --> 01:27:11,840
business for Alpine. So I agree. It's

2134
01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,080
what the appetite is for our residents.

2135
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,560
What meets the needs here. You know, a

2136
01:27:16,560 --> 01:27:17,920
little we keep hearing a little

2137
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,159
breakfast place. We'd like to be able to

2138
01:27:20,159 --> 01:27:22,320
take the grandkids to breakfast or have

2139
01:27:22,320 --> 01:27:24,400
a power meeting. And so there are some

2140
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:26,400
things and and then they go into where

2141
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,719
could it work. We have Main Street, you

2142
01:27:28,719 --> 01:27:30,239
know, we have the field, which we'll

2143
01:27:30,239 --> 01:27:32,080
talk about later, but you know, the

2144
01:27:32,080 --> 01:27:34,719
residents like the idea of keeping the

2145
01:27:34,719 --> 01:27:37,520
traffic that side of the roundabout. You

2146
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:38,639
know, maybe we could do a little

2147
01:27:38,639 --> 01:27:41,679
business if it didn't come in and create

2148
01:27:41,679 --> 01:27:43,920
more traffic. So, those are later

2149
01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:47,360
conversations, but it it is possible. It

2150
01:27:47,360 --> 01:27:49,840
is possible.

2151
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:52,639
Um, I like the thought of experiential

2152
01:27:52,639 --> 01:27:54,719
retail like Councilwoman Henman

2153
01:27:54,719 --> 01:27:57,520
suggested and also Councilwoman Smeuan.

2154
01:27:57,520 --> 01:27:59,840
Um, I think that is something that I had

2155
01:27:59,840 --> 01:28:01,520
never thought of that this brings up and

2156
01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:03,290
so I appreciate that perspective.

2157
01:28:03,290 --> 01:28:05,440
[clears throat] I also um when looking

2158
01:28:05,440 --> 01:28:07,040
under the land use map under

2159
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:08,560
neighborhood living and preserved

2160
01:28:08,560 --> 01:28:09,920
natural features, both of those

2161
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:13,679
paragraphs um mention

2162
01:28:13,679 --> 01:28:15,360
um the community's layout emphasizing

2163
01:28:15,360 --> 01:28:17,280
privacy, scenic views, and overall

2164
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:19,199
suburban rural fill. and then preserve

2165
01:28:19,199 --> 01:28:21,520
natural features. It also talks about

2166
01:28:21,520 --> 01:28:24,800
protecting um view corridors, which when

2167
01:28:24,800 --> 01:28:26,639
we're making notes about how we can have

2168
01:28:26,639 --> 01:28:28,719
development codes that support this

2169
01:28:28,719 --> 01:28:30,719
vision document, I know we've had an

2170
01:28:30,719 --> 01:28:32,800
attempt at some sort of view ordinance,

2171
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:34,639
but I think that we should revisit that

2172
01:28:34,639 --> 01:28:36,080
because I think that definitely

2173
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:37,600
complements,

2174
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:39,520
you know, Alpine and the vision of

2175
01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:41,120
Alpine. And then I just loved the

2176
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:42,800
summary that was at the bottom of that

2177
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:45,440
under emerging trends. This is on page

2178
01:28:45,440 --> 01:28:48,400
16 says, "Land use and alpine goes far

2179
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:50,400
beyond regulatory zoning. It's about how

2180
01:28:50,400 --> 01:28:52,159
land supports community life, rural

2181
01:28:52,159 --> 01:28:54,000
heritage, outdoor living, lowdensity

2182
01:28:54,000 --> 01:28:56,400
commerce, and environmental stewardship.

2183
01:28:56,400 --> 01:28:58,960
All working together to define what what

2184
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:01,840
makes Alpine unique and I just I feel

2185
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:04,560
like that's a little bit of a I start

2186
01:29:04,560 --> 01:29:07,280
that because helps provide some a

2187
01:29:07,280 --> 01:29:08,400
vision." So,

2188
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:09,280
>> what page was that?

2189
01:29:09,280 --> 01:29:11,360
>> That was page 16.

2190
01:29:11,360 --> 01:29:13,840
>> Anyways, those are my my

2191
01:29:13,840 --> 01:29:14,480
that part.

2192
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:16,480
>> Did we bold that?

2193
01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:17,920
>> Yeah, that would be that would be great

2194
01:29:17,920 --> 01:29:18,320
if

2195
01:29:18,320 --> 01:29:19,040
>> Put it at the top.

2196
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:20,480
>> We're talking about layout.

2197
01:29:20,480 --> 01:29:21,920
>> Yeah, I have that

2198
01:29:21,920 --> 01:29:22,639
>> in my document.

2199
01:29:22,639 --> 01:29:23,679
>> I have it.

2200
01:29:23,679 --> 01:29:26,159
in a highlighted squared

2201
01:29:26,159 --> 01:29:26,800
starred.

2202
01:29:26,800 --> 01:29:28,480
>> Yes, the summary.

2203
01:29:28,480 --> 01:29:30,239
>> I'm like, it needs a huge heading and

2204
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:31,440
like you they're saying,

2205
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:32,000
>> yeah,

2206
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:32,960
>> I love that.

2207
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:35,280
>> Mhm. No, this is really so well done.

2208
01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:36,560
>> Okay, let's move on.

2209
01:29:36,560 --> 01:29:37,840
>> I wasn't I was just commenting about

2210
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:39,120
your comments. There's three things I

2211
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:40,000
want to call attention to.

2212
01:29:40,000 --> 01:29:40,480
>> Got more.

2213
01:29:40,480 --> 01:29:41,679
>> It'll be short.

2214
01:29:41,679 --> 01:29:42,800
>> Wait, didn't you already make your

2215
01:29:42,800 --> 01:29:44,480
comment? No, I was reflecting on your

2216
01:29:44,480 --> 01:29:45,600
comments.

2217
01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:47,520
>> Oh, yeah. That's not appreciated. Let's

2218
01:29:47,520 --> 01:29:50,000
wait next time. Okay. Okay. Go ahead.

2219
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,960
>> I'll be I'll my voice won't hold up. So,

2220
01:29:52,960 --> 01:29:55,600
um the first thing I thought really

2221
01:29:55,600 --> 01:29:58,800
stood out was on page 14. Madam Madam

2222
01:29:58,800 --> 01:30:00,320
Smith

2223
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:02,719
or [snorts] um

2224
01:30:02,719 --> 01:30:07,040
when we look at our land use, okay,

2225
01:30:07,040 --> 01:30:09,280
Councilman Young likes to say that land

2226
01:30:09,280 --> 01:30:11,679
use will outlive us all. And we have

2227
01:30:11,679 --> 01:30:15,440
very very little um could currently used

2228
01:30:15,440 --> 01:30:19,360
towards for business commercial and um

2229
01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:21,360
we're going to do a deeper dive into

2230
01:30:21,360 --> 01:30:23,520
revenue as a city and this is one thing

2231
01:30:23,520 --> 01:30:26,320
we need to understand is that um you

2232
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:27,760
talk you talk to other cities about

2233
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:31,840
bringing sales tax in. But if land uh

2234
01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,400
land use brings in commercial business

2235
01:30:34,400 --> 01:30:36,400
and they first of all it's assessed at a

2236
01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:37,600
higher value and second of all they

2237
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:39,360
don't get the 40%

2238
01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:43,920
>> um primary residential um exemption and

2239
01:30:43,920 --> 01:30:47,600
so the less commercial we have the more

2240
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:49,840
burden will fall to our residents

2241
01:30:49,840 --> 01:30:51,840
>> and that is just a trade-off. It's not a

2242
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:53,600
bad thing, but it's something we just

2243
01:30:53,600 --> 01:30:55,040
need to acknowledge because we've heard

2244
01:30:55,040 --> 01:30:57,040
from our residents more than once that

2245
01:30:57,040 --> 01:30:58,880
they would don't really want, you know,

2246
01:30:58,880 --> 01:31:01,040
to live in a busy place. So, there's

2247
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:03,520
just a balance we have to create or an

2248
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:05,760
awareness I should say that if we're

2249
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:07,360
going to go in that direction and long

2250
01:31:07,360 --> 01:31:11,520
term, um like the three the three three

2251
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:13,199
different ways I I pointed out at the

2252
01:31:13,199 --> 01:31:15,120
beginning, one of them was to do a lot

2253
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,520
more commercial and the residents pooped

2254
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:19,040
that. They were like, "No way. We don't

2255
01:31:19,040 --> 01:31:21,440
want that." So that's fine and we will

2256
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:22,880
do what they want because we we

2257
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,280
represent them. But they'll they will

2258
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:27,440
also carry a higher burden in their

2259
01:31:27,440 --> 01:31:29,120
property taxes and there's no way around

2260
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:32,880
that because if we don't have commercial

2261
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:34,960
contributing at a much higher rate per

2262
01:31:34,960 --> 01:31:36,800
square foot of like if per square foot

2263
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:38,560
of dirt like I'm just talking about dirt

2264
01:31:38,560 --> 01:31:41,040
because dirt is finite, right? We will

2265
01:31:41,040 --> 01:31:43,760
carry they will carry a higher burden.

2266
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:45,920
Is that a problem? Let's look down at

2267
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:47,920
the second thing I want to talk about.

2268
01:31:47,920 --> 01:31:51,840
um the 168 392 for median income. So

2269
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:53,199
this is one of the highest median

2270
01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:56,000
incomes in the state. So we have a very

2271
01:31:56,000 --> 01:32:00,080
high income population. I think we have

2272
01:32:00,080 --> 01:32:02,400
that reputation. Not to exclude that

2273
01:32:02,400 --> 01:32:04,560
there's other people, but it is

2274
01:32:04,560 --> 01:32:07,600
generally so in other words, do they

2275
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:11,440
have the means to to um preserve the

2276
01:32:11,440 --> 01:32:13,360
thing that brought them here? That's

2277
01:32:13,360 --> 01:32:15,600
like to me they're tied together like

2278
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:18,159
our land use and their income if they

2279
01:32:18,159 --> 01:32:20,159
can if they can afford to pay the extra

2280
01:32:20,159 --> 01:32:22,639
property tax extra I say because they

2281
01:32:22,639 --> 01:32:25,280
don't want that burden to be lifted by

2282
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:27,199
commercial that's just something we just

2283
01:32:27,199 --> 01:32:29,440
have to be very transparent about it's

2284
01:32:29,440 --> 01:32:32,239
not a problem it's just an awareness

2285
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:33,600
that's one thing just as being an

2286
01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:35,040
accountant is that I thought about when

2287
01:32:35,040 --> 01:32:37,920
I saw this lastly we talked about the

2288
01:32:37,920 --> 01:32:40,560
senior population but I I was encouraged

2289
01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:43,679
by the demographic analysis is

2290
01:32:43,679 --> 01:32:45,040
>> sorry I'm losing my voice. This will be

2291
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:49,760
the end. Um more than 50% of our

2292
01:32:49,760 --> 01:32:52,880
>> are um population is under over under

2293
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:54,320
the age of 30.

2294
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:57,360
>> So we have to often they are the the

2295
01:32:57,360 --> 01:32:58,960
people like me. We have more time on our

2296
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:01,199
hands or even older. They they

2297
01:33:01,199 --> 01:33:04,320
contribute a lot into the public sector

2298
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:05,600
because they have time. They're not

2299
01:33:05,600 --> 01:33:07,520
running around to soccer putting kids to

2300
01:33:07,520 --> 01:33:09,360
bed. That's why we're so glad to have

2301
01:33:09,360 --> 01:33:11,760
you. you guys had families when you were

2302
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:14,639
um came in January. Like we do have a

2303
01:33:14,639 --> 01:33:16,960
young population and we have to remember

2304
01:33:16,960 --> 01:33:18,719
all the people we represent that are not

2305
01:33:18,719 --> 01:33:21,199
in the room. Okay. So, I just want to

2306
01:33:21,199 --> 01:33:24,560
point those two things out. Land use,

2307
01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:28,080
income, and demographics. Thank you.

2308
01:33:28,080 --> 01:33:30,880
>> Okay. Let's move on to the next section

2309
01:33:30,880 --> 01:33:35,199
which is starts on page 23.

2310
01:33:35,199 --> 01:33:37,040
>> I think we're talking about a different

2311
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:37,600
meeting.

2312
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:38,080
>> We are.

2313
01:33:38,080 --> 01:33:40,080
>> Oh, is it the next one? Okay,

2314
01:33:40,080 --> 01:33:41,520
>> we're on the appendixes now.

2315
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:42,560
>> Yeah, we're doing

2316
01:33:42,560 --> 01:33:45,860
>> A and C. Did you Did we read the agenda?

2317
01:33:45,860 --> 01:33:45,920
[laughter]

2318
01:33:45,920 --> 01:33:47,040
>> We should do the appendix.

2319
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:49,520
>> So, next week you want to talk about the

2320
01:33:49,520 --> 01:33:51,360
actual corridors. So,

2321
01:33:51,360 --> 01:33:52,560
>> look, we're ending early. We could be

2322
01:33:52,560 --> 01:33:53,199
happy with ourselves.

2323
01:33:53,199 --> 01:33:54,320
>> Is that what you want to do, Chrissy?

2324
01:33:54,320 --> 01:33:55,840
Next week we You want to talk about the

2325
01:33:55,840 --> 01:33:57,040
corridors? The actual

2326
01:33:57,040 --> 01:33:58,800
>> I specifically lumped it and I could

2327
01:33:58,800 --> 01:34:03,760
have been not entirely correct into what was land use. Okay. Versus traffic

2328
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:05,280
like let's separate traffic out from

2329
01:34:05,280 --> 01:34:06,320
land use.

2330
01:34:06,320 --> 01:34:09,760
>> Yeah. But were we also going to discuss appendix A and C as well?

2331
01:34:09,760 --> 01:34:10,080
>> Yes.

2332
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:11,120
>> Okay. Just one.

2333
01:34:11,120 --> 01:34:13,120
>> Let's go to There we go.

2334
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:15,440
>> Can you scroll down pretty please?

2335
01:34:15,440 --> 01:34:18,719
>> Okay. Dan or Kaden, do either one of you

2336
01:34:18,719 --> 01:34:22,560
guys have anything to

2337
01:34:22,560 --> 01:34:25,760
>> This is a pretty standard um scroll up

2338
01:34:25,760 --> 01:34:27,760
just a little bit here. The other way.

2339
01:34:27,760 --> 01:34:30,719
I'm sorry.

2340
01:34:30,719 --> 01:34:33,440
>> Yeah, market analysis are pretty

2341
01:34:33,440 --> 01:34:35,040
standard. We include them in a lot of

2342
01:34:35,040 --> 01:34:37,360
our types of plans just so that

2343
01:34:37,360 --> 01:34:39,840
communities have some bookends on on

2344
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,000
what's possible and and what they're

2345
01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:45,679
missing. Um, a lot of times it's you you

2346
01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:48,400
can use the data for for what it's

2347
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:52,400
worth. Um, if it's um illuminating to

2348
01:34:52,400 --> 01:34:54,639
you and you feel that it's useful for

2349
01:34:54,639 --> 01:34:57,600
your community, then use it. Um, if not,

2350
01:34:57,600 --> 01:34:59,600
you can skip over it. It's just kind of

2351
01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,320
a a standard process like existing

2352
01:35:02,320 --> 01:35:04,880
conditions. um usually when we're doing

2353
01:35:04,880 --> 01:35:07,360
these types of studies. And so really it

2354
01:35:07,360 --> 01:35:11,199
just depends on what questions you have

2355
01:35:11,199 --> 01:35:13,040
going into the study that you want

2356
01:35:13,040 --> 01:35:15,199
answered, if there are any any specific

2357
01:35:15,199 --> 01:35:18,400
ones. Um or it might spur some thoughts

2358
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:21,440
or ideas on additional further studies

2359
01:35:21,440 --> 01:35:23,840
and analysis analyses that you'd like to

2360
01:35:23,840 --> 01:35:27,750
do.

2361
01:35:27,760 --> 01:35:29,440
» Kayen, did you have anything you wanted

2362
01:35:29,440 --> 01:35:30,960
to add to that? No, just to just to

2363
01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:32,639
piggyback on what Dan said, I think this

2364
01:35:32,639 --> 01:35:34,719
is just kind of a more indepth analysis

2365
01:35:34,719 --> 01:35:38,880
of of those economic numbers, retail,

2366
01:35:38,880 --> 01:35:40,639
um, and really getting into how they got

2367
01:35:40,639 --> 01:35:44,320
to those numbers. Um, I thought one in

2368
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:45,840
particular that is interesting since we

2369
01:35:45,840 --> 01:35:48,000
were talking about the 137,000 square

2370
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:49,920
feet earlier and how that seems like a

2371
01:35:49,920 --> 01:35:52,719
lot. They pulled that number. I think

2372
01:35:52,719 --> 01:35:55,520
they had over 250,000 square feet is

2373
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:57,760
really what could be possible in Alpine

2374
01:35:57,760 --> 01:36:00,159
and they're saying 137,000 is what's

2375
01:36:00,159 --> 01:36:02,400
capturable and they go into a lot of

2376
01:36:02,400 --> 01:36:04,560
detail on that here in this appendix but

2377
01:36:04,560 --> 01:36:06,159
just for your information but yeah

2378
01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:07,520
that's basically what this appendix is

2379
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:09,440
and appendix C is more of the detail of

2380
01:36:09,440 --> 01:36:11,520
the sharetses and the workshops that

2381
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,159
were done. So

2382
01:36:14,159 --> 01:36:17,440
>> thank you. Um,

2383
01:36:17,440 --> 01:36:19,920
>> three things. [laughter]

2384
01:36:19,920 --> 01:36:22,560
>> Excuse me. [clears throat] Um, thank you

2385
01:36:22,560 --> 01:36:25,120
for Sarah for bringing up those things

2386
01:36:25,120 --> 01:36:27,199
in the last one. I was surprised just to

2387
01:36:27,199 --> 01:36:28,880
piggy back a hair off of what they said

2388
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:31,199
and then go into this. I was surprised

2389
01:36:31,199 --> 01:36:32,880
how much you did talk about views in

2390
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,600
this. I was really surprised and I, as

2391
01:36:35,600 --> 01:36:38,159
you know, love views. Even this week had

2392
01:36:38,159 --> 01:36:39,840
another resident say, "We moved from the

2393
01:36:39,840 --> 01:36:41,440
Bay Area here."

2394
01:36:41,440 --> 01:36:43,199
>> Are we talking about the appendex A?

2395
01:36:43,199 --> 01:36:44,400
>> No, we're getting into there.

2396
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:45,920
>> Okay. They said that's the reason we

2397
01:36:45,920 --> 01:36:47,119
live moved here. So, thank you for

2398
01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:48,560
putting it in. You're you're the experts

2399
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:49,920
and I really appreciate it. Anything

2400
01:36:49,920 --> 01:36:52,159
that can be done, I'm for um and then

2401
01:36:52,159 --> 01:36:54,400
what you said was so great. I guess the

2402
01:36:54,400 --> 01:36:57,280
only thing you might think of is if we

2403
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:00,480
and this is now into this if we go if we

2404
01:37:00,480 --> 01:37:03,280
are not able to capture all of the uh

2405
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:05,679
retail money that we can and the burden

2406
01:37:05,679 --> 01:37:08,320
falls onto the residents because we want

2407
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:10,800
to preserve this identity and this

2408
01:37:10,800 --> 01:37:14,080
really nice living situation that we all

2409
01:37:14,080 --> 01:37:18,080
have. There are options but they hurt us

2410
01:37:18,080 --> 01:37:21,920
and that is to make us smaller is to cut

2411
01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:27,520
what we do on government. It make that's one option people have. Anyways

2412
01:37:27,520 --> 01:37:30,480
on this I have a question on this is is

2413
01:37:30,480 --> 01:37:31,520
I'm sorry. Will you remind me of your

2414
01:37:31,520 --> 01:37:32,400
name? I apologize.

2415
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:33,600
>> Dan what?

2416
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:34,560
>> Dan Dan Wayne.

2417
01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,080
>> Dan Wayne. I I have it written out

2418
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:37,920
Wayne. That's a good name. Dan Wayne.

2419
01:37:37,920 --> 01:37:40,800
It's almost like John Wayne. Um, Dan,

2420
01:37:40,800 --> 01:37:44,000
when we create this plan that gets

2421
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:47,280
buttoned up like the 31page Alpine plan

2422
01:37:47,280 --> 01:37:49,119
that we have that I love so much, we

2423
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:51,040
reference it all the time as our vision

2424
01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:52,560
and I wish we would use it more as kind

2425
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:55,040
of like our Bible for the city. When we

2426
01:37:55,040 --> 01:37:56,400
create this, why would we have these

2427
01:37:56,400 --> 01:38:01,119
appendixes in the plan? They seem like a

2428
01:38:01,119 --> 01:38:04,639
lot of detailed data. Do we need these

2429
01:38:04,639 --> 01:38:06,400
in there or do we not just want to have

2430
01:38:06,400 --> 01:38:08,719
this like as a separate thing in the

2431
01:38:08,719 --> 01:38:11,520
plan that people can reference? Don't we

2432
01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:14,239
just learn from this and put in our

2433
01:38:14,239 --> 01:38:15,920
guides? Does this go I guess my

2434
01:38:15,920 --> 01:38:16,960
question. Does this go into the final

2435
01:38:16,960 --> 01:38:18,639
plan this part?

2436
01:38:18,639 --> 01:38:20,800
>> Um you can include it or not with the

2437
01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:22,639
final plan. It's really up to you. It's

2438
01:38:22,639 --> 01:38:24,159
just we paid for it so we're getting

2439
01:38:24,159 --> 01:38:24,480
there.

2440
01:38:24,480 --> 01:38:24,960
>> Okay.

2441
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:27,280
>> And uh yeah, it's we don't want to

2442
01:38:27,280 --> 01:38:30,159
obviously um overwhelm people with too

2443
01:38:30,159 --> 01:38:31,600
much detail. We just want to give them

2444
01:38:31,600 --> 01:38:33,840
the the cliff notes and

2445
01:38:33,840 --> 01:38:35,600
>> the basic conclusions and the documents.

2446
01:38:35,600 --> 01:38:38,159
>> That may be one thing this will merit on

2447
01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:41,199
its effectiveness to be utilized and

2448
01:38:41,199 --> 01:38:43,520
that is there is so much detail in this.

2449
01:38:43,520 --> 01:38:45,280
I mean two bodies are going over this

2450
01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:47,679
for four weeks just to kind of hash it

2451
01:38:47,679 --> 01:38:50,639
out. I I don't know if the group who's

2452
01:38:50,639 --> 01:38:52,960
going to do this with Kaden and yourself

2453
01:38:52,960 --> 01:38:56,480
can condense it and distill the most

2454
01:38:56,480 --> 01:38:58,159
important pieces, but I think that will

2455
01:38:58,159 --> 01:39:02,159
make it more approachable, more um uh

2456
01:39:02,159 --> 01:39:04,159
digestible and more implementable, if

2457
01:39:04,159 --> 01:39:06,400
that's a word. Uh so anyways, this this

2458
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:08,159
data I love. You reference it up above

2459
01:39:08,159 --> 01:39:09,840
and it's it's a lot of it is the same

2460
01:39:09,840 --> 01:39:11,840
just more detailed with the retail, with

2461
01:39:11,840 --> 01:39:14,639
the population, with the demographics,

2462
01:39:14,639 --> 01:39:16,960
um and with the uh land space. So I

2463
01:39:16,960 --> 01:39:17,920
don't really have any questions. I

2464
01:39:17,920 --> 01:39:19,440
appreciate the data. That's what

2465
01:39:19,440 --> 01:39:22,550
>> Right.

2466
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:24,159
» No. Yeah. No, no further questions or

2467
01:39:24,159 --> 01:39:26,320
really comments. I I would We have the

2468
01:39:26,320 --> 01:39:28,080
data. I would suggest keeping it. That's

2469
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:29,600
what an appendix is. It's to refer to it

2470
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:30,800
if you want more information.

2471
01:39:30,800 --> 01:39:31,199
>> Okay.

2472
01:39:31,199 --> 01:39:33,920
>> That's my only comment.

2473
01:39:33,920 --> 01:39:35,520
>> No comments.

2474
01:39:35,520 --> 01:39:39,600
>> Um Okay. just uh a few questions and

2475
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:41,840
then I I just noticed some typos but I

2476
01:39:41,840 --> 01:39:44,080
might have like an older version and I

2477
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:45,440
don't know if that's relevant to bring

2478
01:39:45,440 --> 01:39:48,080
up at this point but um under existing

2479
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:50,880
retail inventory it talks about how we

2480
01:39:50,880 --> 01:39:52,880
have a doughnut shop gas station and a

2481
01:39:52,880 --> 01:39:55,600
supermarket and I was just confused page

2482
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:57,199
six of appendex A.

2483
01:39:57,199 --> 01:39:58,719
>> It says we have a supermarket.

2484
01:39:58,719 --> 01:40:01,520
>> Yeah. And so I was just curious

2485
01:40:01,520 --> 01:40:04,719
where the supermarket is because I need

2486
01:40:04,719 --> 01:40:06,239
some milk and eggs. No, I'm just

2487
01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:07,199
kidding. Um,

2488
01:40:07,199 --> 01:40:10,080
>> the junction they used to consider.

2489
01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:12,239
>> Okay, so maybe that's It says gas

2490
01:40:12,239 --> 01:40:14,560
station and super.

2491
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:16,239
>> Anyways, that was my Is that what

2492
01:40:16,239 --> 01:40:17,920
they're referencing?

2493
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:19,600
>> It would have to be

2494
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:20,159
>> I think

2495
01:40:20,159 --> 01:40:22,159
>> but it also says a doughnut shop, gas

2496
01:40:22,159 --> 01:40:24,080
stations, and a supermarket. So, it

2497
01:40:24,080 --> 01:40:25,840
already said gas station anyway.

2498
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:28,159
>> Okay, maybe that's a typo. Um, and then

2499
01:40:28,159 --> 01:40:30,080
>> you know the doughnut shop, gas station.

2500
01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:31,199
>> No, she knows.

2501
01:40:31,199 --> 01:40:31,520
>> Okay.

2502
01:40:31,520 --> 01:40:32,880
>> Yeah.

2503
01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:34,960
>> Um, and then I was just confused. Can

2504
01:40:34,960 --> 01:40:38,000
you clarify class B and class C

2505
01:40:38,000 --> 01:40:40,320
buildings? Do you can you address those

2506
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:41,360
a little bit more?

2507
01:40:41,360 --> 01:40:42,400
>> No, I cannot.

2508
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:45,119
>> Okay, that's all right. I will I will do

2509
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:48,080
some more research on that. And then is

2510
01:40:48,080 --> 01:40:51,360
it appropriate there on table 11 on page

2511
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:53,679
11, it says Trader Joe's instead of

2512
01:40:53,679 --> 01:40:55,440
Trader Joe's? I don't know. Are these

2513
01:40:55,440 --> 01:40:56,719
things that I should even be bringing

2514
01:40:56,719 --> 01:40:57,679
up? I'm not sure.

2515
01:40:57,679 --> 01:40:59,040
>> Keep it as tater.

2516
01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:01,119
>> But at least that's in my draft.

2517
01:41:01,119 --> 01:41:03,040
>> Trader Joe's won't come to Alpine. So,

2518
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:05,369
we're hoping for a Trader Joe's.

2519
01:41:05,369 --> 01:41:07,040
[laughter]

2520
01:41:07,040 --> 01:41:10,320
>> Um, and then page six under

2521
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:12,000
Pleasantville when it's describing, you

2522
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:12,880
know, kind of these different

2523
01:41:12,880 --> 01:41:15,199
populations. I don't I don't know. Are

2524
01:41:15,199 --> 01:41:17,280
they meant to reference northeast and

2525
01:41:17,280 --> 01:41:19,119
parts of California or should that have

2526
01:41:19,119 --> 01:41:21,280
said Alpine? I I don't know.

2527
01:41:21,280 --> 01:41:23,440
>> I'm sure they're Yeah, that's probably a

2528
01:41:23,440 --> 01:41:24,239
typo.

2529
01:41:24,239 --> 01:41:25,360
>> Okay. Those were

2530
01:41:25,360 --> 01:41:27,199
>> It's probably from an existing report

2531
01:41:27,199 --> 01:41:28,960
that they didn't do a complete search

2532
01:41:28,960 --> 01:41:29,840
and replace.

2533
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:31,280
>> Okay. Well, I don't know if it was

2534
01:41:31,280 --> 01:41:32,639
appropriate to bring those up, but

2535
01:41:32,639 --> 01:41:33,280
>> it is.

2536
01:41:33,280 --> 01:41:34,719
>> You should. No, you should with Kaden

2537
01:41:34,719 --> 01:41:36,960
when he works with our consultants that

2538
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:38,080
they can correct all that.

2539
01:41:38,080 --> 01:41:39,920
>> Well, I apologize if I've taken time

2540
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:40,320
away from

2541
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:41,840
>> No, no, no. Definitely. Okay.

2542
01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:43,040
>> We need your sharp eyes.

2543
01:41:43,040 --> 01:41:44,960
>> Okay. Well, that's all I have to

2544
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:46,800
contribute. I think we should keep the

2545
01:41:46,800 --> 01:41:48,960
appendix in as well. Sorry, Andrew.

2546
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:50,719
>> Oh, no. I don't think

2547
01:41:50,719 --> 01:41:51,440
>> Oh, go ahead.

2548
01:41:51,440 --> 01:41:52,880
>> Yeah, I think the appendix is super

2549
01:41:52,880 --> 01:41:54,480
helpful, especially if you like the

2550
01:41:54,480 --> 01:41:57,119
detail. I just again want to draw

2551
01:41:57,119 --> 01:41:59,280
attention to page 11 where it says

2552
01:41:59,280 --> 01:42:01,840
potential experiential retail tenants.

2553
01:42:01,840 --> 01:42:03,600
This is something we can draw attention

2554
01:42:03,600 --> 01:42:07,280
to when we're looking um at future

2555
01:42:07,280 --> 01:42:09,119
projects. I think is a good reference

2556
01:42:09,119 --> 01:42:12,239
point. And that's all I have to say.

2557
01:42:12,239 --> 01:42:16,709
>> Okay.

2558
01:42:16,719 --> 01:42:18,159
» Got it.

2559
01:42:18,159 --> 01:42:19,679
>> Oh, no. Go down.

2560
01:42:19,679 --> 01:42:22,480
>> Go down the last paragraph. Potential.

2561
01:42:22,480 --> 01:42:24,320
We want potential. Like what should what

2562
01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:24,960
should we build

2563
01:42:24,960 --> 01:42:26,480
>> a med spa?

2564
01:42:26,480 --> 01:42:27,280
>> Yeah,

2565
01:42:27,280 --> 01:42:28,639
>> we

2566
01:42:28,639 --> 01:42:30,480
>> but also like it goes like you said the

2567
01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:32,239
people came and they want to redo some

2568
01:42:32,239 --> 01:42:34,080
of our main street. Well,

2569
01:42:34,080 --> 01:42:35,920
>> do you fit this like definition? Because

2570
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:37,679
this is what the professionals are

2571
01:42:37,679 --> 01:42:40,159
telling us will work here. Like if

2572
01:42:40,159 --> 01:42:42,639
you're kind of off track from this,

2573
01:42:42,639 --> 01:42:44,719
maybe we need to like we want you to be

2574
01:42:44,719 --> 01:42:45,760
successful.

2575
01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:46,719
>> So

2576
01:42:46,719 --> 01:42:49,440
>> yeah,

2577
01:42:49,440 --> 01:42:51,840
>> so yeah. So, Whole Foods and Trader

2578
01:42:51,840 --> 01:42:55,119
Joe's are both coming to Lehi.

2579
01:42:55,119 --> 01:42:56,560
Um,

2580
01:42:56,560 --> 01:42:59,280
>> we missed it. [laughter]

2581
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:00,560
>> Yeah. Okay.

2582
01:43:00,560 --> 01:43:05,440
>> No, on the SR92. It's on the north side.

2583
01:43:05,440 --> 01:43:07,280
>> The east of the freeway.

2584
01:43:07,280 --> 01:43:08,719
>> Yes. East of the freeway.

2585
01:43:08,719 --> 01:43:10,800
>> What was the first one?

2586
01:43:10,800 --> 01:43:11,440
>> First business.

2587
01:43:11,440 --> 01:43:13,119
>> Trader Joe's and Whole Foods.

2588
01:43:13,119 --> 01:43:15,520
>> Whole Foods is the one I miss. Yeah.

2589
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:18,000
Peter

2590
01:43:18,000 --> 01:43:19,840
>> and there's just if I can make a

2591
01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:22,960
comment, mayor, like on page 14, town

2592
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:26,239
residential, um they have our setbacks

2593
01:43:26,239 --> 01:43:28,080
wrong. So, we need to go through and

2594
01:43:28,080 --> 01:43:30,400
just make sure all of those things

2595
01:43:30,400 --> 01:43:31,760
>> line up with our

2596
01:43:31,760 --> 01:43:33,600
>> Yeah, it should be like 30 front, 20

2597
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:34,480
rear.

2598
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:37,440
>> They've got 40 and 10. So,

2599
01:43:37,440 --> 01:43:38,880
>> I'm wondering if they did that because I

2600
01:43:38,880 --> 01:43:40,719
know when we were discussing with them

2601
01:43:40,719 --> 01:43:42,800
during the meetings, we're talking about

2602
01:43:42,800 --> 01:43:44,960
more of a front setback. So that there

2603
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:47,199
could be like especially like for

2604
01:43:47,199 --> 01:43:48,960
restaurants and even for shops to have

2605
01:43:48,960 --> 01:43:51,840
an outdoor area to engage the public and

2606
01:43:51,840 --> 01:43:56,560
having like that um walkable area and

2607
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:58,480
just so I

2608
01:43:58,480 --> 01:44:00,000
>> and if that's the intent then it just

2609
01:44:00,000 --> 01:44:02,800
need to be rewarded that an idea would

2610
01:44:02,800 --> 01:44:05,360
be to do use these setbacks you know in

2611
01:44:05,360 --> 01:44:07,040
lie of what's in the code right now or

2612
01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:09,119
something like that. I think I think it

2613
01:44:09,119 --> 01:44:10,800
was intentional to have a bigger setback

2614
01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:11,840
from what I remember one of the

2615
01:44:11,840 --> 01:44:14,000
discussions is that like especially for

2616
01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:15,520
like restaurants, they wanted outdoor

2617
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:18,880
seating areas and then um even for

2618
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:21,360
retail shops to have

2619
01:44:21,360 --> 01:44:23,040
>> I don't think it was 40 feet though.

2620
01:44:23,040 --> 01:44:23,920
>> It wasn't 40.

2621
01:44:23,920 --> 01:44:25,440
>> I think we just need to clarify with the

2622
01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:26,159
consultants

2623
01:44:26,159 --> 01:44:28,400
>> and it is in the existing conditions

2624
01:44:28,400 --> 01:44:30,400
section. So

2625
01:44:30,400 --> 01:44:32,239
>> I don't know but it's something we can

2626
01:44:32,239 --> 01:44:33,760
>> Okay, sounds great. Just as a related

2627
01:44:33,760 --> 01:44:35,280
comment, you heard from the in I don't

2628
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:36,239
know if you heard listen to the public

2629
01:44:36,239 --> 01:44:37,520
comments in the planning commission

2630
01:44:37,520 --> 01:44:39,360
meeting, but some of the owners talked

2631
01:44:39,360 --> 01:44:41,600
about the penciling aspect. It has to

2632
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:44,800
work financially and there just there's

2633
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:47,360
some uncertainty about whether retail

2634
01:44:47,360 --> 01:44:48,880
restaurants would work. That's what why

2635
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:51,440
they would like to combine it with mixed

2636
01:44:51,440 --> 01:44:54,000
residential use on top. And to make that

2637
01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:56,000
work, they thought it would really need

2638
01:44:56,000 --> 01:44:58,159
to have a a shorter setback so they

2639
01:44:58,159 --> 01:45:00,320
could park in the back and have that

2640
01:45:00,320 --> 01:45:03,280
residential on top. So again, some of

2641
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:06,080
these we're I've only been here 12

2642
01:45:06,080 --> 01:45:07,920
years, so I don't know what retail, what

2643
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:09,760
restaurants have worked or haven't, but

2644
01:45:09,760 --> 01:45:11,199
it sounds like it's very uncommon for

2645
01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:14,400
them to do very well. And so trying to

2646
01:45:14,400 --> 01:45:18,320
make our decisions meet the aesthetics

2647
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:20,320
that we want, but also make it realistic

2648
01:45:20,320 --> 01:45:23,760
for the developers, for the land owners.

2649
01:45:23,760 --> 01:45:25,840
>> Mayor, if I can just comment on it, it's

2650
01:45:25,840 --> 01:45:28,480
related to what uh Council Member

2651
01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:31,520
Rumbler said. So, in the last six weeks,

2652
01:45:31,520 --> 01:45:33,040
is that formal not?

2653
01:45:33,040 --> 01:45:35,440
>> In the last six weeks, uh, we've had two

2654
01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:37,280
different property owners on Main Street

2655
01:45:37,280 --> 01:45:41,040
approach us and say, "Hey, one of them

2656
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:42,480
wanted to submit an application like,

2657
01:45:42,480 --> 01:45:44,719
well, wait a minute. This document first

2658
01:45:44,719 --> 01:45:46,560
it needs to be approved and then it

2659
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:48,480
needs to be the code needs to be written

2660
01:45:48,480 --> 01:45:52,639
to accomplish the idea in here." Um, but

2661
01:45:52,639 --> 01:45:55,679
both of them would love to do some kind

2662
01:45:55,679 --> 01:45:57,760
of a, you know, commercial on the

2663
01:45:57,760 --> 01:46:01,760
bottom, residential on the top. Um, and

2664
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:03,360
I bring this up because as we are

2665
01:46:03,360 --> 01:46:06,639
working with Dan on this second grant,

2666
01:46:06,639 --> 01:46:09,280
something that we discussed as a

2667
01:46:09,280 --> 01:46:11,040
possibility,

2668
01:46:11,040 --> 01:46:13,520
uh, kind of a trial is maybe create an

2669
01:46:13,520 --> 01:46:15,840
overlay zone that would allow a couple

2670
01:46:15,840 --> 01:46:18,000
of projects like that to move forward.

2671
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:19,440
kind of see how they work because we

2672
01:46:19,440 --> 01:46:21,360
have two potentially willing property

2673
01:46:21,360 --> 01:46:24,400
owners right now, see how they work and

2674
01:46:24,400 --> 01:46:27,679
then either make adjustments or take it

2675
01:46:27,679 --> 01:46:30,400
out or do something. But it it could be

2676
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:34,400
kind of a trial. Um, and actually both

2677
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:37,520
these property owners over the last two

2678
01:46:37,520 --> 01:46:40,719
or three years have approached us with,

2679
01:46:40,719 --> 01:46:45,600
you know, what what can we do here? and right now our zoning and the way

2680
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:47,600
everything's set up doesn't allow that

2681
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:50,719
type of project. So that's something to

2682
01:46:50,719 --> 01:46:52,800
kind of bring all of this together along

2683
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:56,159
with this second grant because that we

2684
01:46:56,159 --> 01:46:58,080
could write something like that with

2685
01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,880
that grant in our code and then it

2686
01:47:00,880 --> 01:47:03,920
wouldn't apply everywhere. It would be

2687
01:47:03,920 --> 01:47:06,560
and the zoning thing so the council

2688
01:47:06,560 --> 01:47:08,960
still is involved with the process and

2689
01:47:08,960 --> 01:47:12,320
the decision. Um, so that's just

2690
01:47:12,320 --> 01:47:13,840
something to think about as we go

2691
01:47:13,840 --> 01:47:15,360
through this plan.

2692
01:47:15,360 --> 01:47:16,080
>> Yeah.

2693
01:47:16,080 --> 01:47:17,920
>> Shane, what is that called? What is what

2694
01:47:17,920 --> 01:47:19,199
is the term for when you have

2695
01:47:19,199 --> 01:47:20,880
residential on the top?

2696
01:47:20,880 --> 01:47:22,159
>> Mixed use.

2697
01:47:22,159 --> 01:47:24,960
>> Mixed. Is there even a more defined term

2698
01:47:24,960 --> 01:47:26,639
when it's layered on? Because I know

2699
01:47:26,639 --> 01:47:28,560
mixed use can be we've got some

2700
01:47:28,560 --> 01:47:31,199
residential here and some kind of quasi

2701
01:47:31,199 --> 01:47:33,679
commercial in a zone, but is there a

2702
01:47:33,679 --> 01:47:35,520
term for because I see them in Provo and

2703
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:37,600
I see them in several. We kind of even

2704
01:47:37,600 --> 01:47:40,239
have one in uh the gold.

2705
01:47:40,239 --> 01:47:42,080
>> No, it's even a term they use in the tax

2706
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:43,199
code for mixed use.

2707
01:47:43,199 --> 01:47:44,560
>> What is it just mixed use? That means

2708
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:45,760
you have it on top of each other.

2709
01:47:45,760 --> 01:47:46,480
>> The income tax

2710
01:47:46,480 --> 01:47:48,800
>> vertical vertical mixed use is stacked.

2711
01:47:48,800 --> 01:47:50,800
If it's just multiple stack,

2712
01:47:50,800 --> 01:47:52,880
>> it can be horizontal mixed use. If it's

2713
01:47:52,880 --> 01:47:55,679
not on top of each other, but it's kind

2714
01:47:55,679 --> 01:47:57,760
of mixed together.

2715
01:47:57,760 --> 01:47:59,679
>> And isn't that generally in in more of a

2716
01:47:59,679 --> 01:48:01,280
commercial business zone? You don't have

2717
01:48:01,280 --> 01:48:03,040
mixed use in residential. Residentials

2718
01:48:03,040 --> 01:48:03,679
are so

2719
01:48:03,679 --> 01:48:06,000
>> it's very limited.

2720
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:07,760
>> Yeah. Pretty standard. Pretty standard.

2721
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:10,639
>> As I was thinking about that uh tonight,

2722
01:48:10,639 --> 01:48:14,310
just

2723
01:48:14,320 --> 01:48:18,480
» good deal. Uh on page 29 the map, I at

2724
01:48:18,480 --> 01:48:19,760
first I was a little bit concerned

2725
01:48:19,760 --> 01:48:21,440
thinking, well, maybe this wouldn't

2726
01:48:21,440 --> 01:48:24,480
work. Um because the darker orange kind

2727
01:48:24,480 --> 01:48:28,480
of south of the roundabout says mixeduse

2728
01:48:28,480 --> 01:48:30,719
commercial residential and then you've

2729
01:48:30,719 --> 01:48:34,000
got the town center more downtown. Um,

2730
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:37,199
can can you you go to page 29

2731
01:48:37,199 --> 01:48:40,560
>> there? 29 of this document. But then if

2732
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:42,960
you go read the town center uh

2733
01:48:42,960 --> 01:48:46,800
description, it allows for mixed use. So

2734
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:49,840
it's just the

2735
01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:54,320
naming of the areas or whatever might be

2736
01:48:54,320 --> 01:48:55,840
concern you at first, but when you read

2737
01:48:55,840 --> 01:48:57,520
the actual descriptions, it's there.

2738
01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:00,320
>> So town center would be defined or

2739
01:49:00,320 --> 01:49:02,080
allowed and excuse within our town

2740
01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:02,560
center.

2741
01:49:02,560 --> 01:49:04,719
>> Yeah. And it does say vertical mixed

2742
01:49:04,719 --> 01:49:04,960
use.

2743
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:07,119
>> So that's the that's a specific overlay

2744
01:49:07,119 --> 01:49:11,040
you'd be looking for is the vertical.

2745
01:49:11,040 --> 01:49:12,960
>> Well, I think what they're suggesting is

2746
01:49:12,960 --> 01:49:15,280
allowing it in that entire zone. But

2747
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:17,840
Shane is saying, you know, while we work

2748
01:49:17,840 --> 01:49:19,679
on it, why don't we turn it into an

2749
01:49:19,679 --> 01:49:21,360
overlay so it's an additional

2750
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:22,320
>> tinier

2751
01:49:22,320 --> 01:49:24,320
>> and see how it works and then we can,

2752
01:49:24,320 --> 01:49:26,000
you know, decide to either move it

2753
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:27,040
forward or not

2754
01:49:27,040 --> 01:49:28,719
>> because, you know, we recently just went

2755
01:49:28,719 --> 01:49:30,960
through something where it would apply

2756
01:49:30,960 --> 01:49:32,800
everywhere and there were some concerns

2757
01:49:32,800 --> 01:49:36,159
and maybe this would a way to try

2758
01:49:36,159 --> 01:49:39,600
something. Well, and I was sat in on a

2759
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:42,560
little breakout with Ephraim and they

2760
01:49:42,560 --> 01:49:44,000
kind of went through a couple of their

2761
01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:46,159
they changed land use, they built stuff

2762
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:47,520
and it didn't go.

2763
01:49:47,520 --> 01:49:50,400
>> So, I like the idea of doing this and

2764
01:49:50,400 --> 01:49:53,199
then seeing is that a fit because

2765
01:49:53,199 --> 01:49:55,119
they've tried a few things that they

2766
01:49:55,119 --> 01:49:56,480
were like, whoops,

2767
01:49:56,480 --> 01:49:56,960
>> work.

2768
01:49:56,960 --> 01:49:58,800
>> Yeah. Didn't work. So,

2769
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:00,960
>> that's kind of nice to have that option.

2770
01:50:00,960 --> 01:50:02,639
>> Mayor, may I make a [clears throat]

2771
01:50:02,639 --> 01:50:05,520
short comment? Um, and it answers uh,

2772
01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:07,679
Council Member Young's question from

2773
01:50:07,679 --> 01:50:10,159
earlier in the meeting regarding how

2774
01:50:10,159 --> 01:50:12,880
proactive uh, the city wants to be about

2775
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:14,480
implementing the plan. And I think

2776
01:50:14,480 --> 01:50:17,840
there's some um, different philosophies

2777
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:21,199
that that different cities have. You can

2778
01:50:21,199 --> 01:50:23,760
set the framework, the plan and code and

2779
01:50:23,760 --> 01:50:25,760
then just sit back and wait for

2780
01:50:25,760 --> 01:50:27,679
development applications to come and

2781
01:50:27,679 --> 01:50:29,360
they either comply or they don't and

2782
01:50:29,360 --> 01:50:33,119
that's your strategy. um selectively um

2783
01:50:33,119 --> 01:50:35,760
communities can be uh I think more

2784
01:50:35,760 --> 01:50:39,920
proactive in engaged engaging developers

2785
01:50:39,920 --> 01:50:42,960
and developing incentive programs and

2786
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:45,440
doing other types of things to get

2787
01:50:45,440 --> 01:50:48,560
exactly the type of development that you

2788
01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:50,719
want. Oftent time it's catalyst

2789
01:50:50,719 --> 01:50:52,960
development where we're the public

2790
01:50:52,960 --> 01:50:55,199
sector and we're not in the market of de

2791
01:50:55,199 --> 01:50:57,920
development. That's not our job. But um

2792
01:50:57,920 --> 01:51:00,080
there's opportunities for us to have

2793
01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:02,719
catalyst development that spurs other

2794
01:51:02,719 --> 01:51:04,880
similar type of uh successful

2795
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:07,040
development. There's uh two projects

2796
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:10,320
that I'm working on right now with uh

2797
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:13,040
two other communities um in their down

2798
01:51:13,040 --> 01:51:15,360
respective downtowns uh where we're

2799
01:51:15,360 --> 01:51:17,760
doing sight specific technical

2800
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:19,760
assistance in partnership with the land

2801
01:51:19,760 --> 01:51:22,560
owner. Um, so we're working with those

2802
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:24,719
individual land owners on a specific

2803
01:51:24,719 --> 01:51:28,239
parcel and we hire a consultant and we

2804
01:51:28,239 --> 01:51:30,639
do site planning and and design

2805
01:51:30,639 --> 01:51:37,520
renderings, conceptual stuff. Um, and we work it work together on something

2806
01:51:37,520 --> 01:51:39,679
that works for the developer, it works

2807
01:51:39,679 --> 01:51:42,239
for the city, it meets the code. If it

2808
01:51:42,239 --> 01:51:43,840
doesn't meet the code, we can change the

2809
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:50,000
code to to make it work. Um, and that's a real proactive way to get what

2810
01:51:50,000 --> 01:51:53,679
you want where you want it and spur give

2811
01:51:53,679 --> 01:51:56,080
other developers an example of what you

2812
01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:58,159
want.

2813
01:51:58,159 --> 01:52:00,000
>> And awesome.

2814
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:00,480
>> Oh, sorry.

2815
01:52:00,480 --> 01:52:01,440
>> Sorry. No, I was just saying thank you.

2816
01:52:01,440 --> 01:52:02,560
That really helps.

2817
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:04,320
>> The awesome thing on this, Dan's already

2818
01:52:04,320 --> 01:52:07,040
done a little bit of ground work uh to

2819
01:52:07,040 --> 01:52:08,880
see what consultants on their list might

2820
01:52:08,880 --> 01:52:10,960
be interested in helping with our codes.

2821
01:52:10,960 --> 01:52:12,960
And there's three that have came forward

2822
01:52:12,960 --> 01:52:17,040
and um when we get a few things ironed

2823
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:19,920
out um we'll be ready to give a

2824
01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:21,679
proposal.

2825
01:52:21,679 --> 01:52:23,040
And we'll [clears throat] just add is I

2826
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:24,400
mentioned this two weeks ago. I totally

2827
01:52:24,400 --> 01:52:26,159
respect the process of deciding whether

2828
01:52:26,159 --> 01:52:27,679
or not we change an ordinance for a

2829
01:52:27,679 --> 01:52:31,520
specific um use of a property in a

2830
01:52:31,520 --> 01:52:34,000
business zone. But that's exactly what I

2831
01:52:34,000 --> 01:52:36,639
the point I made was when the ordinance

2832
01:52:36,639 --> 01:52:38,400
was first made, when the zoning was done

2833
01:52:38,400 --> 01:52:41,199
and we created potential businesses and

2834
01:52:41,199 --> 01:52:44,000
a couple conditional uses, the current

2835
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:46,880
city council with staff involvement can

2836
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:50,560
anticipate all the beneficial uses of of

2837
01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:53,119
property. So that's part of zoning, part

2838
01:52:53,119 --> 01:52:56,239
of land use is being open-minded to make

2839
01:52:56,239 --> 01:52:58,480
changes to your code when it makes sense

2840
01:52:58,480 --> 01:53:00,880
for your community

2841
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:03,119
and respecting the process of of a

2842
01:53:03,119 --> 01:53:06,790
decision by council.

2843
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:11,280
» Okay. Should we move on?

2844
01:53:11,280 --> 01:53:12,880
>> Can I just say one more thing, Mayor?

2845
01:53:12,880 --> 01:53:14,000
>> Yes.

2846
01:53:14,000 --> 01:53:15,840
Um, I just want to say this is a city

2847
01:53:15,840 --> 01:53:18,239
planner's dream to work with a council

2848
01:53:18,239 --> 01:53:20,400
that is really excited about a walkable

2849
01:53:20,400 --> 01:53:22,159
main street and making a really great

2850
01:53:22,159 --> 01:53:26,550
place. So, thank you.

2851
01:53:26,560 --> 01:53:27,199
» Yay.

2852
01:53:27,199 --> 01:53:28,080
>> Thank you, Kayen.

2853
01:53:28,080 --> 01:53:29,119
>> Hi, Ryan.

2854
01:53:29,119 --> 01:53:29,840
>> Hey, Ryan.

2855
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:31,119
>> Hi, Ryan.

2856
01:53:31,119 --> 01:53:33,360
>> I'm sorry, guys. I just barely got on.

2857
01:53:33,360 --> 01:53:36,480
Uh, Dan Dan's there and Dan's the the

2858
01:53:36,480 --> 01:53:37,920
brains behind all the good things that

2859
01:53:37,920 --> 01:53:41,360
came out of this. So, um, if if there's

2860
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:42,719
any questions or anything I can help,

2861
01:53:42,719 --> 01:53:44,080
I'd be I'd be happy to do that. But

2862
01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:45,440
again, just sorry, I was sorry I was

2863
01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:48,320
like jumping on.

2864
01:53:48,320 --> 01:53:50,560
>> Okay.

2865
01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:51,920
Next appendix.

2866
01:53:51,920 --> 01:53:53,760
>> Uh, B. It's okay, Ryan. We were just

2867
01:53:53,760 --> 01:53:54,320
debating.

2868
01:53:54,320 --> 01:53:56,239
>> Just doing C. C.

2869
01:53:56,239 --> 01:53:57,440
>> You were skipping B.

2870
01:53:57,440 --> 01:53:58,000
>> Um,

2871
01:53:58,000 --> 01:53:59,599
>> yeah, that's part of land use.

2872
01:53:59,599 --> 01:54:01,040
>> Yes. Sorry.

2873
01:54:01,040 --> 01:54:02,800
>> Okay. Let me go back. And did you have

2874
01:54:02,800 --> 01:54:04,560
anything to say about this appendix

2875
01:54:04,560 --> 01:54:06,719
specifically or

2876
01:54:06,719 --> 01:54:09,040
>> uh this is just all the the detailed

2877
01:54:09,040 --> 01:54:11,280
information regarding the public

2878
01:54:11,280 --> 01:54:13,920
engagement that we did. Um we just ask

2879
01:54:13,920 --> 01:54:16,800
the the consultant to document and

2880
01:54:16,800 --> 01:54:19,920
summarize it so that invariably at some

2881
01:54:19,920 --> 01:54:22,480
point when someone says no one asked me

2882
01:54:22,480 --> 01:54:23,760
or [laughter]

2883
01:54:23,760 --> 01:54:26,480
or why did you do this behind closed

2884
01:54:26,480 --> 01:54:29,760
doors that you have documentation of the

2885
01:54:29,760 --> 01:54:30,960
process that we went through.

2886
01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:32,320
>> Perfect.

2887
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:33,920
Kaden, did you have anything else that

2888
01:54:33,920 --> 01:54:35,920
you wanted to add about appendix C

2889
01:54:35,920 --> 01:54:39,599
before we move on to comments?

2890
01:54:39,599 --> 01:54:41,679
>> Okay, [clears throat] Ryan, did you have

2891
01:54:41,679 --> 01:54:43,360
anything you wanted to say about

2892
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:45,280
appendix C before we move on to council

2893
01:54:45,280 --> 01:54:47,520
comments about it?

2894
01:54:47,520 --> 01:54:49,360
>> No, I thought Jim or I thought uh excuse

2895
01:54:49,360 --> 01:54:50,719
me, I thought Dan covered that really

2896
01:54:50,719 --> 01:54:52,320
well. This was just really good on the

2897
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:54,000
consultants say this is what we heard

2898
01:54:54,000 --> 01:54:57,679
and this is why we or how we got what we got out of this plan. So, I think

2899
01:54:57,679 --> 01:54:59,199
it's a really good addition to the to

2900
01:54:59,199 --> 01:55:00,000
the plan.

2901
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:01,199
>> Okay, perfect. We'll start with

2902
01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:03,360
Councilman Young.

2903
01:55:03,360 --> 01:55:05,199
>> I love that you bring up the catalyst

2904
01:55:05,199 --> 01:55:07,440
for why we made this whole thing. I find

2905
01:55:07,440 --> 01:55:09,760
that most of the things we do uh come

2906
01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:12,239
from some sort of problem. We're rarely

2907
01:55:12,239 --> 01:55:13,920
able to and so I like how you have this

2908
01:55:13,920 --> 01:55:16,320
story of why we did this and how it came

2909
01:55:16,320 --> 01:55:18,239
from that mixeduse proposal that didn't

2910
01:55:18,239 --> 01:55:19,920
work and we realized we needed to plan

2911
01:55:19,920 --> 01:55:23,040
this through. Um I like your whole

2912
01:55:23,040 --> 01:55:25,040
approach. I was so impressed with your

2913
01:55:25,040 --> 01:55:28,560
approach. Ryan, Kaden, who was still in

2914
01:55:28,560 --> 01:55:31,920
the womb before he came, and then Dan. I

2915
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:34,800
love that y'all had him in this room,

2916
01:55:34,800 --> 01:55:36,719
you had him put dots, you you talked to

2917
01:55:36,719 --> 01:55:38,800
people, and I think you got good results

2918
01:55:38,800 --> 01:55:40,239
because I've been doing it too in a

2919
01:55:40,239 --> 01:55:42,400
different way and very similar results

2920
01:55:42,400 --> 01:55:44,560
that we'll talk about for the corridors

2921
01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:46,960
next meeting. Uh there's just one group

2922
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:49,679
that I think you're missing and it's a

2923
01:55:49,679 --> 01:55:51,280
group that doesn't come out to stuff

2924
01:55:51,280 --> 01:55:52,639
like this. You have to go to their

2925
01:55:52,639 --> 01:55:54,800
house. They don't get up. they they're

2926
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:57,679
older, maybe a little crotchety. They

2927
01:55:57,679 --> 01:55:59,199
don't they don't get up and come to

2928
01:55:59,199 --> 01:56:00,800
meetings like this unless something

2929
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:02,800
really bad has happened or they're

2930
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:04,400
really mad about something. So, I

2931
01:56:04,400 --> 01:56:06,719
noticed the groups who you had surveyed.

2932
01:56:06,719 --> 01:56:09,040
I saw their feedback that they gave both

2933
01:56:09,040 --> 01:56:11,520
at the top of this uh plan and in this

2934
01:56:11,520 --> 01:56:14,239
appendix and I think you're just missing

2935
01:56:14,239 --> 01:56:17,679
that group of I would call them longtime

2936
01:56:17,679 --> 01:56:20,000
old alpiners.

2937
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:22,000
They just don't get out. I I'm not

2938
01:56:22,000 --> 01:56:23,199
trying to be dismissive. they they're

2939
01:56:23,199 --> 01:56:25,440
there. You got to go to them. So I think

2940
01:56:25,440 --> 01:56:26,800
you might find

2941
01:56:26,800 --> 01:56:29,119
>> So Andrew, I was at those meetings and

2942
01:56:29,119 --> 01:56:30,320
you know, if you look at our

2943
01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:32,480
demographics, it's about 15% of the

2944
01:56:32,480 --> 01:56:36,000
population is 65 and older. I felt like

2945
01:56:36,000 --> 01:56:38,560
in the open houses that we had, the

2946
01:56:38,560 --> 01:56:41,440
senior residents from that live alpine

2947
01:56:41,440 --> 01:56:43,440
senior residents were represented in

2948
01:56:43,440 --> 01:56:44,560
these meetings.

2949
01:56:44,560 --> 01:56:46,880
>> Right. No, I know some of them were. I

2950
01:56:46,880 --> 01:56:49,520
just I just think yes you're right that

2951
01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:51,040
I think they would have got some

2952
01:56:51,040 --> 01:56:52,880
additional information based on the

2953
01:56:52,880 --> 01:56:53,679
results.

2954
01:56:53,679 --> 01:56:55,280
>> Totally. But I think we could have also

2955
01:56:55,280 --> 01:56:57,119
gotten additional information if we went

2956
01:56:57,119 --> 01:56:58,560
house to house also.

2957
01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:00,320
>> Right. Right. So point of this comment

2958
01:57:00,320 --> 01:57:00,719
is

2959
01:57:00,719 --> 01:57:03,360
>> the key is that we got representation I

2960
01:57:03,360 --> 01:57:06,320
feel like from

2961
01:57:06,320 --> 01:57:08,560
we got a good cross-section and

2962
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:10,639
representation of the demographics of

2963
01:57:10,639 --> 01:57:13,760
our city people that came but

2964
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:16,320
>> right. So I I I just know a group of

2965
01:57:16,320 --> 01:57:17,920
people that doesn't come out that you

2966
01:57:17,920 --> 01:57:19,520
could get and glean some of what you

2967
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:22,000
already know but some additional things

2968
01:57:22,000 --> 01:57:24,159
from a group of people that you have to

2969
01:57:24,159 --> 01:57:26,400
go to them. So it would be doing some

2970
01:57:26,400 --> 01:57:29,520
doortodoor and they don't vocalize much.

2971
01:57:29,520 --> 01:57:31,440
Anyways, that's the point of the process

2972
01:57:31,440 --> 01:57:33,360
that you could gain a little bit more

2973
01:57:33,360 --> 01:57:37,520
insight in the process by uh not putting

2974
01:57:37,520 --> 01:57:38,880
out a petition to have people come out,

2975
01:57:38,880 --> 01:57:41,280
but going after them and really ply

2976
01:57:41,280 --> 01:57:45,280
prying for their uh feedback. um the and

2977
01:57:45,280 --> 01:57:46,639
so I went through and I saw their

2978
01:57:46,639 --> 01:57:49,040
feedback that they gave and I think it's

2979
01:57:49,040 --> 01:57:50,560
mostly certain I think it's mostly

2980
01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:52,480
certain with just a few of those

2981
01:57:52,480 --> 01:57:53,840
additional things that I brought up at

2982
01:57:53,840 --> 01:57:55,360
the beginning that I think you would

2983
01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:58,080
hear a little bit more of um from that

2984
01:57:58,080 --> 01:57:59,840
group that you would reach if you if you

2985
01:57:59,840 --> 01:58:02,320
did a little bit more of like canvasing.

2986
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:03,920
So take it or leave it. But that's all I

2987
01:58:03,920 --> 01:58:04,719
was having on this.

2988
01:58:04,719 --> 01:58:05,679
>> Perfect. Right.

2989
01:58:05,679 --> 01:58:07,440
>> Nothing.

2990
01:58:07,440 --> 01:58:10,719
>> Um just we did have a meeting. I I agree

2991
01:58:10,719 --> 01:58:14,480
this was um well represented by all ages

2992
01:58:14,480 --> 01:58:16,320
of the community and people stayed for

2993
01:58:16,320 --> 01:58:18,880
hours like it was super engaged and we

2994
01:58:18,880 --> 01:58:21,440
did it over and over and over again

2995
01:58:21,440 --> 01:58:23,679
multiple but we did have a meeting that

2996
01:58:23,679 --> 01:58:25,119
was similar to what you're talking about

2997
01:58:25,119 --> 01:58:27,119
and Dan actually

2998
01:58:27,119 --> 01:58:30,000
>> um moderated it and it was that group of

2999
01:58:30,000 --> 01:58:31,760
people that you're speaking about they

3000
01:58:31,760 --> 01:58:33,920
came out it was a small

3001
01:58:33,920 --> 01:58:36,159
>> um group we met in here

3002
01:58:36,159 --> 01:58:39,599
>> we were all we were all ex So their

3003
01:58:39,599 --> 01:58:40,960
voice I'm sorry I wasn't trying to

3004
01:58:40,960 --> 01:58:43,040
downplay. Yeah, their voice was heard

3005
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:44,560
and I think

3006
01:58:44,560 --> 01:58:45,520
>> um

3007
01:58:45,520 --> 01:58:48,320
>> there was a concerted effort to also

3008
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:50,080
reach them and you know I want to thank

3009
01:58:50,080 --> 01:58:52,480
Dan for taking the time to so if you

3010
01:58:52,480 --> 01:58:54,080
want to talk to him kind of what they

3011
01:58:54,080 --> 01:58:56,880
brought back as their messaging but they

3012
01:58:56,880 --> 01:58:58,960
were actually

3013
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:01,760
um you know other than speed they want

3014
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:03,679
everybody to slow down which we've all

3015
01:59:03,679 --> 01:59:05,280
heard and everyone's working hard on

3016
01:59:05,280 --> 01:59:09,119
that but they aren't so set that they're

3017
01:59:09,119 --> 01:59:12,320
not um unwilling willing to look at

3018
01:59:12,320 --> 01:59:13,280
possibility.

3019
01:59:13,280 --> 01:59:13,760
>> I agree.

3020
01:59:13,760 --> 01:59:15,679
>> That was a surprise to me that they were

3021
01:59:15,679 --> 01:59:17,040
open to possibilities.

3022
01:59:17,040 --> 01:59:17,440
>> I agree.

3023
01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:20,320
>> And I do have to thank Mr. Wayne for um

3024
01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:22,719
doing that because that is he went above

3025
01:59:22,719 --> 01:59:26,000
and beyond his job description to do

3026
01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:28,400
that. I felt like um to go out of his

3027
01:59:28,400 --> 01:59:30,639
way to find this demographic, bring them

3028
01:59:30,639 --> 01:59:32,800
in to an evening meeting and moderate

3029
01:59:32,800 --> 01:59:34,960
that. Um I do really appreciate your

3030
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:36,719
extra time and devotion. So, thank you

3031
01:59:36,719 --> 01:59:38,480
very very much. I agree that was very

3032
01:59:38,480 --> 01:59:40,320
helpful and I got feedback from from

3033
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:42,719
those residents.

3034
01:59:42,719 --> 01:59:44,400
>> Judges, pardon that came off as a

3035
01:59:44,400 --> 01:59:47,440
slight. It didn't talk what I read

3036
01:59:47,440 --> 01:59:48,880
didn't talk about what you brought up.

3037
01:59:48,880 --> 01:59:50,480
It mostly talked about coming to the

3038
01:59:50,480 --> 01:59:52,400
meetings and doing the jar. So, pardon.

3039
01:59:52,400 --> 01:59:54,400
I didn't know that part. So, thank you.

3040
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:56,159
>> Okay. Um I don't have any comments on

3041
01:59:56,159 --> 01:59:58,159
this section. Okay.

3042
01:59:58,159 --> 01:59:58,800
>> Um

3043
01:59:58,800 --> 02:00:00,480
>> Councilwoman Hannaman.

3044
02:00:00,480 --> 02:00:03,520
>> Oh, thank you. I think um this the the

3045
02:00:03,520 --> 02:00:05,280
part that stood out to me from the

3046
02:00:05,280 --> 02:00:08,400
feedback was these six I'm a visual

3047
02:00:08,400 --> 02:00:10,960
learner. So these six criteria I felt

3048
02:00:10,960 --> 02:00:15,040
like the just to credence to or

3049
02:00:15,040 --> 02:00:18,159
acknowledge how they don't know our city

3050
02:00:18,159 --> 02:00:21,040
but within a few days and with some um

3051
02:00:21,040 --> 02:00:24,000
feedback from our citizens and city

3052
02:00:24,000 --> 02:00:25,920
leaders they came up with these six

3053
02:00:25,920 --> 02:00:27,599
things which I thought okay let me tell

3054
02:00:27,599 --> 02:00:32,000
you page it's appendix C page six

3055
02:00:32,000 --> 02:00:35,040
>> one page six these things like were our

3056
02:00:35,040 --> 02:00:38,239
priority like ways we I would say areas

3057
02:00:38,239 --> 02:00:39,440
of opportunity

3058
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:40,719
things that they would like to see in

3059
02:00:40,719 --> 02:00:42,400
the future. Kind of like Ryan likes to

3060
02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:43,520
say, "What do we want to be when we grow

3061
02:00:43,520 --> 02:00:46,080
up?" And then also they highlighted um

3062
02:00:46,080 --> 02:00:48,639
which we will talk about next meeting if

3063
02:00:48,639 --> 02:00:51,199
you go up one page that like our traffic

3064
02:00:51,199 --> 02:00:54,480
patterns, how we really just have we're

3065
02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:56,320
dead in town on the east. There's like

3066
02:00:56,320 --> 02:00:59,360
no real circling back. But on the on the

3067
02:00:59,360 --> 02:01:01,360
west side, um [snorts] again, they

3068
02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:02,719
highlighted Ranch Drive, that

3069
02:01:02,719 --> 02:01:05,119
importance. also the walking trails like

3070
02:01:05,119 --> 02:01:07,440
all the different colors here. We have

3071
02:01:07,440 --> 02:01:10,560
streets, we have um bike paths, we have

3072
02:01:10,560 --> 02:01:12,880
trails. So, we just we're trying to

3073
02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:14,320
really emphasize which we are going to

3074
02:01:14,320 --> 02:01:16,719
talk about a different day, but that is

3075
02:01:16,719 --> 02:01:19,119
an important quality of life for our

3076
02:01:19,119 --> 02:01:22,480
residents is they want to be mobile and

3077
02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:24,239
it's not just cycling and it's not just

3078
02:01:24,239 --> 02:01:26,080
cars. They want to be on their feet.

3079
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:27,760
They want to use horses, you know, they

3080
02:01:27,760 --> 02:01:30,320
want to use um they want to run really

3081
02:01:30,320 --> 02:01:33,840
fast like like Brent

3082
02:01:33,840 --> 02:01:36,080
like Dustin's really fast.

3083
02:01:36,080 --> 02:01:37,920
>> Some of us just some of us just walk

3084
02:01:37,920 --> 02:01:39,360
fast,

3085
02:01:39,360 --> 02:01:41,520
>> but nevertheless, we love to be outside

3086
02:01:41,520 --> 02:01:43,760
because we do live in such a iconic

3087
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:46,080
beautiful place. So, I appreciate how

3088
02:01:46,080 --> 02:01:48,080
they quick like this this right here,

3089
02:01:48,080 --> 02:01:51,119
this epidemic C. Like this was just

3090
02:01:51,119 --> 02:01:53,360
after a couple days being here, they

3091
02:01:53,360 --> 02:01:55,760
really like wrapped up what our values

3092
02:01:55,760 --> 02:01:58,639
are so quickly and I was very, it didn't

3093
02:01:58,639 --> 02:02:00,480
take a lot. It wasn't painful. It was

3094
02:02:00,480 --> 02:02:03,360
very fluid and um that's what I

3095
02:02:03,360 --> 02:02:07,040
appreciated about the process is they didn't come to tell us who we'd

3096
02:02:07,040 --> 02:02:09,199
need to be. They came to find out who we

3097
02:02:09,199 --> 02:02:11,360
are. That's it.

3098
02:02:11,360 --> 02:02:14,639
>> Okay. Thank you. Thank Did you have any

3099
02:02:14,639 --> 02:02:17,440
closing comments that you wanted to add?

3100
02:02:17,440 --> 02:02:20,480
>> Um no, just in in regard Well, in

3101
02:02:20,480 --> 02:02:22,239
regards to that, I think sometimes you

3102
02:02:22,239 --> 02:02:24,320
see some evidence of the public

3103
02:02:24,320 --> 02:02:26,239
engagement like dots on a map and things

3104
02:02:26,239 --> 02:02:28,320
like that and those those don't really

3105
02:02:28,320 --> 02:02:30,159
tell you a lot really. Those are just

3106
02:02:30,159 --> 02:02:32,000
engaging activities. So when someone

3107
02:02:32,000 --> 02:02:33,840
puts a dot down, you can say, "Why did

3108
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:36,639
you do that?" They're just foot in the

3109
02:02:36,639 --> 02:02:39,280
doors to have conversations um with

3110
02:02:39,280 --> 02:02:42,560
residents. And uh so most of the those

3111
02:02:42,560 --> 02:02:44,239
types of activities, that's really all

3112
02:02:44,239 --> 02:02:47,040
they are is just to engage folks. But I

3113
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:48,719
I'm just really happy that everyone on

3114
02:02:48,719 --> 02:02:50,080
the the council and that everyone

3115
02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:52,719
involved with the the project is pleased

3116
02:02:52,719 --> 02:02:54,400
uh with the result. That's always my

3117
02:02:54,400 --> 02:02:57,199
number one goal um funding these types

3118
02:02:57,199 --> 02:02:58,960
of projects is I want you to be glad

3119
02:02:58,960 --> 02:03:01,840
that you did it um at the end of the

3120
02:03:01,840 --> 02:03:05,360
day. And uh I I don't look at them as

3121
02:03:05,360 --> 02:03:08,880
singular projects. Um I I look at them

3122
02:03:08,880 --> 02:03:11,679
as building a wave of momentum to get

3123
02:03:11,679 --> 02:03:13,679
from where you are now to where you want

3124
02:03:13,679 --> 02:03:17,280
to be um in the future. And so don't

3125
02:03:17,280 --> 02:03:18,960
think about and you've already you're

3126
02:03:18,960 --> 02:03:20,400
already on that path because you've

3127
02:03:20,400 --> 02:03:22,400
asked for additional funds now to do to

3128
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:25,760
codify what you're doing. You may might

3129
02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:27,360
want to think about next step beyond

3130
02:03:27,360 --> 02:03:28,639
that. Do you want to do some

3131
02:03:28,639 --> 02:03:31,119
sightspecific conceptual design and

3132
02:03:31,119 --> 02:03:32,960
partner with a developer? Do you want to

3133
02:03:32,960 --> 02:03:36,239
do whatever you want to do? Um that's

3134
02:03:36,239 --> 02:03:39,440
where I'm trying to to get you um from

3135
02:03:39,440 --> 02:03:41,599
where you're at to to where you want to

3136
02:03:41,599 --> 02:03:44,719
be. and and usually that takes three or

3137
02:03:44,719 --> 02:03:47,280
four or multiple steps over a number of

3138
02:03:47,280 --> 02:03:49,280
years u to get there. So I just

3139
02:03:49,280 --> 02:03:51,440
encourage you to do that and continue to

3140
02:03:51,440 --> 02:03:52,560
partner with us.

3141
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:53,360
>> Thank you.

3142
02:03:53,360 --> 02:03:54,960
>> Do do they feel like they have enough

3143
02:03:54,960 --> 02:03:57,280
information or do they want us to send

3144
02:03:57,280 --> 02:03:59,280
our written thing or do you feel like

3145
02:03:59,280 --> 02:04:01,280
this was enough for what you need to go

3146
02:04:01,280 --> 02:04:01,840
forward?

3147
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:03,040
>> Cadence doing this.

3148
02:04:03,040 --> 02:04:04,800
>> So you're you have what you need. Okay.

3149
02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:05,360
>> Yes.

3150
02:04:05,360 --> 02:04:07,840
>> Yeah. Yeah, the main thing now is we we

3151
02:04:07,840 --> 02:04:09,440
always have problems at the end of the

3152
02:04:09,440 --> 02:04:12,320
project um because it takes time to make

3153
02:04:12,320 --> 02:04:14,800
edits to these. And so my strongest

3154
02:04:14,800 --> 02:04:18,000
suggestion would be to get collect all

3155
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:21,440
of your edits and submit them all at

3156
02:04:21,440 --> 02:04:23,920
once and say these are our edits. Our

3157
02:04:23,920 --> 02:04:26,639
final edits were done once they make

3158
02:04:26,639 --> 02:04:29,199
those edits. Um otherwise it just goes

3159
02:04:29,199 --> 02:04:30,719
on and on and we

3160
02:04:30,719 --> 02:04:33,360
>> do you do you want there might be

3161
02:04:33,360 --> 02:04:35,920
conflicting things someone wants and

3162
02:04:35,920 --> 02:04:38,320
someone doesn't do we vote on this? Do

3163
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:39,599
we give them to you? Do we kind of have

3164
02:04:39,599 --> 02:04:43,199
a mini uh session to decide what we want

3165
02:04:43,199 --> 02:04:44,080
to pass on?

3166
02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:45,760
>> I think most of the stuff there's

3167
02:04:45,760 --> 02:04:47,840
consensus. There might be some issues

3168
02:04:47,840 --> 02:04:49,040
with something that you mentioned

3169
02:04:49,040 --> 02:04:51,599
earlier. Um but I think what we could do

3170
02:04:51,599 --> 02:04:53,280
is

3171
02:04:53,280 --> 02:04:56,960
send your edits to um Kadenor. he will

3172
02:04:56,960 --> 02:04:59,520
incorporate those and then once he'll

3173
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:02,159
have a draft or draft B he'll send it

3174
02:05:02,159 --> 02:05:03,520
out again and then we'll make comments

3175
02:05:03,520 --> 02:05:05,760
and then we can um

3176
02:05:05,760 --> 02:05:07,199
>> you know we could talk about it and then

3177
02:05:07,199 --> 02:05:09,599
we you know then we'll send it on to our

3178
02:05:09,599 --> 02:05:11,920
contractors and then they'll you know

3179
02:05:11,920 --> 02:05:14,320
codify it send it back to us

3180
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:16,639
>> not codify they'll make all the agenda

3181
02:05:16,639 --> 02:05:19,040
edits so this will no should no longer

3182
02:05:19,040 --> 02:05:21,119
say draft then it'll come back to us and

3183
02:05:21,119 --> 02:05:23,440
then we'll actually vote on it. Okay.

3184
02:05:23,440 --> 02:05:25,440
>> And we we decided two weeks ago that

3185
02:05:25,440 --> 02:05:26,560
we're going to do a redline version

3186
02:05:26,560 --> 02:05:28,000
that'll show this is a planning

3187
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:29,679
commission edit. This is an Andrew edit.

3188
02:05:29,679 --> 02:05:29,920
>> Yeah.

3189
02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:32,239
>> And then we could or just as an example.

3190
02:05:32,239 --> 02:05:32,560
>> Yeah.

3191
02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:35,119
>> And we can

3192
02:05:35,119 --> 02:05:37,599
>> Yeah. decide whether we want to accept

3193
02:05:37,599 --> 02:05:39,440
them or want to need to vote on them or

3194
02:05:39,440 --> 02:05:40,159
talk more about them.

3195
02:05:40,159 --> 02:05:41,440
>> Right. But we've got to go through these

3196
02:05:41,440 --> 02:05:44,159
sections first and like um Dan said, we

3197
02:05:44,159 --> 02:05:45,520
got to make sure that we get through all

3198
02:05:45,520 --> 02:05:47,840
of this so that we can move on with um

3199
02:05:47,840 --> 02:05:50,080
the ordinances so we can move forward.

3200
02:05:50,080 --> 02:05:51,520
Kaden, to make this efficient, do you

3201
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:52,880
want us to do like at the end of

3202
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:54,880
tonight, give you our edits, or do you

3203
02:05:54,880 --> 02:05:56,880
want all at the end?

3204
02:05:56,880 --> 02:05:58,639
>> You can send them now if you would like.

3205
02:05:58,639 --> 02:06:00,159
I think I won't send it to the

3206
02:06:00,159 --> 02:06:01,599
consultant till we've gone through the

3207
02:06:01,599 --> 02:06:03,840
entire document because I think we only

3208
02:06:03,840 --> 02:06:05,520
have one more review with them for them

3209
02:06:05,520 --> 02:06:08,320
to edit. Um, but yeah, you send them

3210
02:06:08,320 --> 02:06:09,440
tonight if you would like.

3211
02:06:09,440 --> 02:06:11,440
>> And mayor and council, we only have one

3212
02:06:11,440 --> 02:06:13,040
more meeting to go over this where we've

3213
02:06:13,040 --> 02:06:14,239
gone through the rest of it, right?

3214
02:06:14,239 --> 02:06:14,639
Because

3215
02:06:14,639 --> 02:06:15,920
>> No, I think there's two more, right?

3216
02:06:15,920 --> 02:06:17,360
>> Two more. What What do you want? You

3217
02:06:17,360 --> 02:06:18,880
want to do the corridors next week and

3218
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:19,679
then after that

3219
02:06:19,679 --> 02:06:21,760
>> just divide up into land use and

3220
02:06:21,760 --> 02:06:22,480
traffic.

3221
02:06:22,480 --> 02:06:23,920
>> So next week is land use and then

3222
02:06:23,920 --> 02:06:25,199
>> if we have time to go through all of

3223
02:06:25,199 --> 02:06:26,880
land use which is the bulk of everything

3224
02:06:26,880 --> 02:06:28,239
that'd be great.

3225
02:06:28,239 --> 02:06:29,119
>> Yeah. Hopefully.

3226
02:06:29,119 --> 02:06:29,840
>> I don't know if we will.

3227
02:06:29,840 --> 02:06:30,800
>> You know what? We'll have to look at

3228
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:33,040
what our um agenda looks like. So just

3229
02:06:33,040 --> 02:06:34,320
depending on how we break it up, but

3230
02:06:34,320 --> 02:06:35,199
we'll let you guys know.

3231
02:06:35,199 --> 02:06:36,880
>> Will you just send us what pages you

3232
02:06:36,880 --> 02:06:38,639
want us to include and what so we so we

3233
02:06:38,639 --> 02:06:40,800
get those certain idea.

3234
02:06:40,800 --> 02:06:42,320
>> So

3235
02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:43,679
Kaden, did you have anything you wanted

3236
02:06:43,679 --> 02:06:45,360
to add? Just that you wanted the ad eds.

3237
02:06:45,360 --> 02:06:46,960
Ryan, did you have anything you wanted

3238
02:06:46,960 --> 02:06:49,040
to conclude?

3239
02:06:49,040 --> 02:06:50,800
>> No, I was just going to say a lot of

3240
02:06:50,800 --> 02:06:52,639
like the land use stuff we looked at

3241
02:06:52,639 --> 02:06:54,239
with the planning commission obviously.

3242
02:06:54,239 --> 02:06:56,320
So those those p page numbers and

3243
02:06:56,320 --> 02:06:59,679
everything should be should be in there. Stuff that should be pretty

3244
02:06:59,679 --> 02:07:01,199
easy to find.

3245
02:07:01,199 --> 02:07:03,760
>> Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you,

3246
02:07:03,760 --> 02:07:05,280
Dan, for your time. I really appreciate

3247
02:07:05,280 --> 02:07:06,079
you coming out.

3248
02:07:06,079 --> 02:07:06,960
>> Sorry, mayor.

3249
02:07:06,960 --> 02:07:07,360
>> Yes.

3250
02:07:07,360 --> 02:07:09,760
>> When you do decide, um, I would like to

3251
02:07:09,760 --> 02:07:12,079
communicate that to the the residents.

3252
02:07:12,079 --> 02:07:14,079
the the pages we're going over and so if

3253
02:07:14,079 --> 02:07:15,360
you just share that with me.

3254
02:07:15,360 --> 02:07:17,599
>> Oh, okay. We'll do I think it'll a lot

3255
02:07:17,599 --> 02:07:20,239
of it will depend on what we have on the

3256
02:07:20,239 --> 02:07:22,960
agenda which we won't know. Seems like

3257
02:07:22,960 --> 02:07:25,119
um a lot of our stuff comes in at the

3258
02:07:25,119 --> 02:07:26,079
last week.

3259
02:07:26,079 --> 02:07:27,760
>> There's there's quite a bit on the next

3260
02:07:27,760 --> 02:07:31,750
agenda actually.

3261
02:07:31,760 --> 02:07:33,599
» The way it looks right now, some of it

3262
02:07:33,599 --> 02:07:35,040
depends on

3263
02:07:35,040 --> 02:07:37,679
>> Yeah. But one other thought just on the

3264
02:07:37,679 --> 02:07:40,320
redline version, it's a little bit

3265
02:07:40,320 --> 02:07:42,320
harder maybe with this document because

3266
02:07:42,320 --> 02:07:44,159
of all the inserts and pictures and

3267
02:07:44,159 --> 02:07:45,440
everything.

3268
02:07:45,440 --> 02:07:47,840
>> They might have to use like some bubble

3269
02:07:47,840 --> 02:07:50,000
comment boxes or something like that or

3270
02:07:50,000 --> 02:07:52,000
it's can really mess with the format

3271
02:07:52,000 --> 02:07:54,079
>> just so that we can tell

3272
02:07:54,079 --> 02:07:56,639
>> the differences. That's great. Pardon?

3273
02:07:56,639 --> 02:07:59,840
>> Let's move on to item B. Proposal to

3274
02:07:59,840 --> 02:08:02,239
adopt an ordinance regulating the use of

3275
02:08:02,239 --> 02:08:07,813
golf carts on city roadways.

3276
02:08:07,823 --> 02:08:09,520
[clears throat]

3277
02:08:09,520 --> 02:08:10,400
>> Who's

3278
02:08:10,400 --> 02:08:11,119
>> Thanks, Dan.

3279
02:08:11,119 --> 02:08:14,000
>> Thank you, Dan, so much. Kaden, are you

3280
02:08:14,000 --> 02:08:16,320
doing that or is Okay.

3281
02:08:16,320 --> 02:08:19,920
>> Yeah. So, this is I think the ordinance

3282
02:08:19,920 --> 02:08:21,440
if you scroll down, Heidi, I think it's

3283
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:24,639
in here from Highland might have. Okay.

3284
02:08:24,639 --> 02:08:27,760
Yeah. And the green below this one as

3285
02:08:27,760 --> 02:08:30,000
well. I I included the packet next to

3286
02:08:30,000 --> 02:08:31,520
you if just in case it wasn't included

3287
02:08:31,520 --> 02:08:34,639
in this packet. But um yeah, so this is

3288
02:08:34,639 --> 02:08:41,040
just a proposal to adopt a golf cart cart

3289
02:08:41,040 --> 02:08:44,400
ordinance on city highways. Um there's

3290
02:08:44,400 --> 02:08:46,880
been a request for this ordinance

3291
02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:49,440
um that's similar that would make it

3292
02:08:49,440 --> 02:08:51,599
similar to that Highland City ordinance

3293
02:08:51,599 --> 02:08:55,040
that they adopted last year. Um, so this

3294
02:08:55,040 --> 02:08:57,840
is that was included to give you guys a

3295
02:08:57,840 --> 02:08:59,840
an idea of what a golf cart ordinance

3296
02:08:59,840 --> 02:09:03,199
might look like. Um, due to our

3297
02:09:03,199 --> 02:09:05,040
proximity to Highland, we we thought it

3298
02:09:05,040 --> 02:09:06,159
would be reasonable to assume that

3299
02:09:06,159 --> 02:09:07,840
Highland's adopted golf cart ordinance

3300
02:09:07,840 --> 02:09:10,320
can be of benefit to the council um as

3301
02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:13,520
they consider one for for Alpine. So

3302
02:09:13,520 --> 02:09:15,119
really this is just an open discussion

3303
02:09:15,119 --> 02:09:17,040
today. A there's no there's no ordinance

3304
02:09:17,040 --> 02:09:18,880
going into effect unless you I guess

3305
02:09:18,880 --> 02:09:22,079
wanted to, but um just the viability of

3306
02:09:22,079 --> 02:09:27,350
doing a golf core ordinance in Alpine.

3307
02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:29,520
» It seemed like an easy way to start the

3308
02:09:29,520 --> 02:09:31,280
conversation is to look at the

3309
02:09:31,280 --> 02:09:33,520
neighboring city's ordinance. Just a,

3310
02:09:33,520 --> 02:09:35,119
you know, place to start. And it is

3311
02:09:35,119 --> 02:09:38,320
interesting. I since this came up, I've

3312
02:09:38,320 --> 02:09:40,159
seen at least one other city had a

3313
02:09:40,159 --> 02:09:43,280
little thing on their Facebook page. Um,

3314
02:09:43,280 --> 02:09:45,520
you know, where where do we allow golf

3315
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:49,280
carts on paved trails? No. On this? No.

3316
02:09:49,280 --> 02:09:53,280
In parks? No. They were totally no. And

3317
02:09:53,280 --> 02:09:55,280
everything of a Spanish fork.

3318
02:09:55,280 --> 02:09:56,960
>> They had created a video that they put

3319
02:09:56,960 --> 02:09:58,880
on their social media, but

3320
02:09:58,880 --> 02:10:01,360
>> you know, other cities have uh prepared

3321
02:10:01,360 --> 02:10:04,159
ordinances and and passed them to allow

3322
02:10:04,159 --> 02:10:05,199
this. So,

3323
02:10:05,199 --> 02:10:07,679
>> when we tabled this last week, um the

3324
02:10:07,679 --> 02:10:09,520
there was a presentation included in our

3325
02:10:09,520 --> 02:10:11,760
packet. Are we not going to see that? I

3326
02:10:11,760 --> 02:10:12,560
think

3327
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:14,560
>> I think Mario's gonna come up in chat or

3328
02:10:14,560 --> 02:10:15,199
let people know.

3329
02:10:15,199 --> 02:10:16,079
>> I I

3330
02:10:16,079 --> 02:10:19,040
>> It's a question.

3331
02:10:19,040 --> 02:10:23,030
>> Yeah,

3332
02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:24,639
» I wasn't sure when it wasn't in the

3333
02:10:24,639 --> 02:10:25,199
packet.

3334
02:10:25,199 --> 02:10:26,800
>> I think it's I

3335
02:10:26,800 --> 02:10:29,920
>> I actually didn't real I think it

3336
02:10:29,920 --> 02:10:30,960
>> was an oversight.

3337
02:10:30,960 --> 02:10:31,679
>> It was in last

3338
02:10:31,679 --> 02:10:33,920
>> It was in the folder last time. Yeah,

3339
02:10:33,920 --> 02:10:34,320
>> it was.

3340
02:10:34,320 --> 02:10:36,480
>> So, it maybe didn't make it in, but

3341
02:10:36,480 --> 02:10:38,639
>> but can we can we still fine to go

3342
02:10:38,639 --> 02:10:40,960
through it?

3343
02:10:40,960 --> 02:10:42,880
Um,

3344
02:10:42,880 --> 02:10:44,960
>> sure.

3345
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:53,189
>> Um, let's

3346
02:10:53,199 --> 02:10:55,040
uh once again, thank you so much to the

3347
02:10:55,040 --> 02:10:56,560
council for allowing me to spend a

3348
02:10:56,560 --> 02:10:58,000
couple of minutes talking to you. I

3349
02:10:58,000 --> 02:11:00,719
represent a grassroots efforts of Alpine

3350
02:11:00,719 --> 02:11:04,079
residents who are interested in uh the

3351
02:11:04,079 --> 02:11:08,960
city um updating their municipal code u

3352
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:12,480
and um being proactive in the use of uh

3353
02:11:12,480 --> 02:11:14,639
accepting at least the the use of golf

3354
02:11:14,639 --> 02:11:16,639
carts uh within the city streets of

3355
02:11:16,639 --> 02:11:20,159
Alpine. As a personal uh background, um

3356
02:11:20,159 --> 02:11:23,520
I'll be 75 years old in August and I got

3357
02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:26,560
into the safety business when I was 22.

3358
02:11:26,560 --> 02:11:28,400
So I've been speaking safety for the

3359
02:11:28,400 --> 02:11:31,040
last 50 years plus. I run a consulting

3360
02:11:31,040 --> 02:11:33,920
service right now currently that is uh

3361
02:11:33,920 --> 02:11:36,800
aviation related but yet it is domestic

3362
02:11:36,800 --> 02:11:38,800
international customers. I speak safety

3363
02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:40,800
every day. I feel like I'm fairly

3364
02:11:40,800 --> 02:11:42,400
comfortable in addressing any questions

3365
02:11:42,400 --> 02:11:45,360
or concerns related to safety.

3366
02:11:45,360 --> 02:11:48,719
Go to the next slide please.

3367
02:11:48,719 --> 02:11:53,119
So, we have a problem for us, right? And the problem is that the current

3368
02:11:53,119 --> 02:11:55,520
Alpine code and I have visited with Don

3369
02:11:55,520 --> 02:11:58,320
Quigley and I had visited with Ryan uh

3370
02:11:58,320 --> 02:12:01,520
before his departure uh once or twice in

3371
02:12:01,520 --> 02:12:03,599
a general format over this, but I have

3372
02:12:03,599 --> 02:12:05,920
visited in detail with Don Quigley.

3373
02:12:05,920 --> 02:12:08,079
Alpine's current code is silent on golf

3374
02:12:08,079 --> 02:12:11,599
cart use only to the extent will you put the microphones together?

3375
02:12:11,599 --> 02:12:15,119
only to the extent that it um addresses

3376
02:12:15,119 --> 02:12:18,079
the where to park golf carts during snow

3377
02:12:18,079 --> 02:12:20,560
removal. Uh there there is uh some

3378
02:12:20,560 --> 02:12:23,760
safety concerns uh because golf carts uh

3379
02:12:23,760 --> 02:12:25,360
are not built like cars. They don't have

3380
02:12:25,360 --> 02:12:29,199
airbags. Uh but uh we're the easiest way

3381
02:12:29,199 --> 02:12:32,000
to uh countermeasure or counteract

3382
02:12:32,000 --> 02:12:35,199
against the safety is by codifying by

3383
02:12:35,199 --> 02:12:37,920
defining by assigning accountability to

3384
02:12:37,920 --> 02:12:40,560
the uses of golf carts. Uh there are a

3385
02:12:40,560 --> 02:12:43,679
number of peer cities uh currently uh

3386
02:12:43,679 --> 02:12:46,880
there are uh three or four communities

3387
02:12:46,880 --> 02:12:49,119
uh that either currently have the use of

3388
02:12:49,119 --> 02:12:52,320
al of golf carts assigned. Um Pleasant

3389
02:12:52,320 --> 02:12:54,880
View which is up north around Cisville

3390
02:12:54,880 --> 02:12:58,960
area. Uh St. George and um Highland are

3391
02:12:58,960 --> 02:13:01,520
three that come to mind.

3392
02:13:01,520 --> 02:13:04,239
Um our our proposal from looking at it

3393
02:13:04,239 --> 02:13:07,119
from a safety perspective once again is

3394
02:13:07,119 --> 02:13:09,119
to recommend to the council that the

3395
02:13:09,119 --> 02:13:11,679
council be not only predictive but be

3396
02:13:11,679 --> 02:13:14,960
proactive in

3397
02:13:14,960 --> 02:13:17,119
at least taking a very serious look a

3398
02:13:17,119 --> 02:13:20,320
deep dive at what the what the

3399
02:13:20,320 --> 02:13:22,719
cotification occurred in Highland City

3400
02:13:22,719 --> 02:13:25,599
which is a sister city in which also the

3401
02:13:25,599 --> 02:13:29,360
Lone Peak Police Department oversees. um

3402
02:13:29,360 --> 02:13:31,679
and why is it that they passed it and

3403
02:13:31,679 --> 02:13:33,520
why did they think it was beneficial to

3404
02:13:33,520 --> 02:13:36,159
their community? Um likewise, we see

3405
02:13:36,159 --> 02:13:38,880
that for us in Alpine, we think it's a

3406
02:13:38,880 --> 02:13:41,599
win-win situation.

3407
02:13:41,599 --> 02:13:43,280
Uh the other thing that this would do,

3408
02:13:43,280 --> 02:13:44,960
of course, would be create a standard

3409
02:13:44,960 --> 02:13:46,880
document by which the Lone Peak Police

3410
02:13:46,880 --> 02:13:48,880
Department could enforce the traffic

3411
02:13:48,880 --> 02:13:51,440
rules. Right now, we have an area in

3412
02:13:51,440 --> 02:13:56,560
South West Alpine and North East Island

3413
02:13:56,560 --> 02:13:58,400
where you'll have an intersection and on

3414
02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:00,000
one side of the intersection you're okay

3415
02:14:00,000 --> 02:14:02,079
and on the other one you're not without

3416
02:14:02,079 --> 02:14:06,079
any additional risk whatsoever. Um and

3417
02:14:06,079 --> 02:14:09,119
last but not least uh this uh and

3418
02:14:09,119 --> 02:14:11,199
following other communities nationwide

3419
02:14:11,199 --> 02:14:13,360
that have not only adopted but have

3420
02:14:13,360 --> 02:14:16,239
encouraged the use of golf carts within

3421
02:14:16,239 --> 02:14:18,800
community is that they have created an

3422
02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:21,599
unexpected source of revenue for that

3423
02:14:21,599 --> 02:14:23,920
community. And so what they've done if

3424
02:14:23,920 --> 02:14:25,599
you're familiar with uh one community

3425
02:14:25,599 --> 02:14:27,679
that comes to mind is the villages. And

3426
02:14:27,679 --> 02:14:29,599
the villages in central Florida is the

3427
02:14:29,599 --> 02:14:32,079
world's largest blue-haired community uh

3428
02:14:32,079 --> 02:14:33,920
in the United States. There's probably

3429
02:14:33,920 --> 02:14:36,880
75,000 or 100,000 people and they not

3430
02:14:36,880 --> 02:14:39,360
only allow but they encourage the use of

3431
02:14:39,360 --> 02:14:41,920
golf carts and they charge $100 a year.

3432
02:14:41,920 --> 02:14:43,520
And when you're looking at literally

3433
02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:45,040
thousands of golf carts now you're

3434
02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:47,440
looking for additional revenue that the

3435
02:14:47,440 --> 02:14:49,599
city can use for whatever they may be.

3436
02:14:49,599 --> 02:14:52,560
We go to the next slide please.

3437
02:14:52,560 --> 02:14:54,800
So let's talk a little bit about what

3438
02:14:54,800 --> 02:14:58,719
the current gap is. Right?

3439
02:14:58,719 --> 02:15:01,280
Since there is no clear authorization,

3440
02:15:01,280 --> 02:15:02,880
restriction requirement or safety

3441
02:15:02,880 --> 02:15:05,679
standard that exists. And a as we look

3442
02:15:05,679 --> 02:15:07,679
at it and we fall back a little bit, we

3443
02:15:07,679 --> 02:15:10,480
take a look at the fact that at least to

3444
02:15:10,480 --> 02:15:12,639
my understanding, the governing

3445
02:15:12,639 --> 02:15:16,400
authority for the use of golf carts on

3446
02:15:16,400 --> 02:15:19,040
public streets in the state of Utah is

3447
02:15:19,040 --> 02:15:21,119
the Department of Public Safety under

3448
02:15:21,119 --> 02:15:23,199
the Utah Highway Patrol. They're the

3449
02:15:23,199 --> 02:15:26,400
keepers of the rules. And by default, a

3450
02:15:26,400 --> 02:15:30,159
golf cart is not allowed to be used in a

3451
02:15:30,159 --> 02:15:33,040
community unless that municipality

3452
02:15:33,040 --> 02:15:34,639
creates

3453
02:15:34,639 --> 02:15:38,639
uh u codifying uh structure or language

3454
02:15:38,639 --> 02:15:40,560
that permits the use of those golf

3455
02:15:40,560 --> 02:15:42,800
carts. Interestingly enough, within that

3456
02:15:42,800 --> 02:15:45,119
language, there is permission that

3457
02:15:45,119 --> 02:15:48,480
allows that municipality to not only

3458
02:15:48,480 --> 02:15:51,199
meet but exceed the requirements that

3459
02:15:51,199 --> 02:15:54,639
are set forth in the Utah code.

3460
02:15:54,639 --> 02:15:56,800
Interestingly enough, as we took I I

3461
02:15:56,800 --> 02:15:58,639
spent some time recently visiting with a

3462
02:15:58,639 --> 02:16:01,040
couple of members of the Highlands City

3463
02:16:01,040 --> 02:16:04,480
Council and they both expressed uh their

3464
02:16:04,480 --> 02:16:06,960
support for this ordinance. They talked

3465
02:16:06,960 --> 02:16:08,880
in detail about how the ordinance came

3466
02:16:08,880 --> 02:16:10,400
to be and they talked about the fact

3467
02:16:10,400 --> 02:16:13,520
that their ordinance which is uh I sent

3468
02:16:13,520 --> 02:16:15,679
emails to everybody. Uh they had

3469
02:16:15,679 --> 02:16:18,239
appendixes, they had copies of the uh of

3470
02:16:18,239 --> 02:16:20,320
the ordinance itself and everything that

3471
02:16:20,320 --> 02:16:23,040
ordinance not only met but exceeded

3472
02:16:23,040 --> 02:16:25,199
every single requirement that was found

3473
02:16:25,199 --> 02:16:27,040
within the state of Utah. And so they

3474
02:16:27,040 --> 02:16:30,000
felt comfortable going with that.

3475
02:16:30,000 --> 02:16:34,080
Um the real crux of the matter is that

3476
02:16:34,080 --> 02:16:36,559
whether we like it or not, golf carts

3477
02:16:36,559 --> 02:16:39,280
are operating in in in Alpine City

3478
02:16:39,280 --> 02:16:41,599
streets, right? And and so they're going

3479
02:16:41,599 --> 02:16:46,160
to continue uh to grow. Uh local sales

3480
02:16:46,160 --> 02:16:48,319
are probably in the vicinity of at least

3481
02:16:48,319 --> 02:16:50,160
in Salt Lake County are exceeding

3482
02:16:50,160 --> 02:16:52,639
between 40 and 60 carts a week for

3483
02:16:52,639 --> 02:16:54,399
different communities in Salt Lake in

3484
02:16:54,399 --> 02:16:56,319
Salt Lake County alone. That doesn't

3485
02:16:56,319 --> 02:16:58,080
even take into account what Utah County

3486
02:16:58,080 --> 02:16:59,439
may be. So, we're going to see an

3487
02:16:59,439 --> 02:17:01,599
increase in golf carts.

3488
02:17:01,599 --> 02:17:04,080
From a safety perspective, it doesn't

3489
02:17:04,080 --> 02:17:05,840
matter if you're a cooker, a baker,

3490
02:17:05,840 --> 02:17:07,439
candlestick baker. It doesn't matter

3491
02:17:07,439 --> 02:17:10,160
what industry you're in, but if a

3492
02:17:10,160 --> 02:17:13,359
municipality or an institution or a

3493
02:17:13,359 --> 02:17:19,589
factory or um a governmental agency

3494
02:17:19,599 --> 02:17:21,599
does

3495
02:17:21,599 --> 02:17:23,760
takes the option of not doing anything

3496
02:17:23,760 --> 02:17:26,639
about codifying and defining and

3497
02:17:26,639 --> 02:17:28,800
assigning responsibilities and

3498
02:17:28,800 --> 02:17:30,719
accountabilities

3499
02:17:30,719 --> 02:17:32,719
to a problem area. What happens

3500
02:17:32,719 --> 02:17:35,840
statistically is that the increase for

3501
02:17:35,840 --> 02:17:38,160
accidents, the increase for incidents

3502
02:17:38,160 --> 02:17:41,840
actually it it it it increases, it goes

3503
02:17:41,840 --> 02:17:44,960
higher. So the the best defense that the

3504
02:17:44,960 --> 02:17:47,280
city of Alcoin can have even to the

3505
02:17:47,280 --> 02:17:49,760
extent of a fiduciary responsibility,

3506
02:17:49,760 --> 02:17:51,599
the city's

3507
02:17:51,599 --> 02:17:53,920
most proactive manner right now

3508
02:17:53,920 --> 02:17:56,240
recommendation would be to update the

3509
02:17:56,240 --> 02:17:59,760
code and you as a city council get to

3510
02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:01,599
decide what goes in that code. It

3511
02:18:01,599 --> 02:18:06,080
doesn't say it has to be exactly what Highland does. Highland is a sister

3512
02:18:06,080 --> 02:18:08,319
city. I just elected to include that as

3513
02:18:08,319 --> 02:18:10,719
an example, but you guys get to select

3514
02:18:10,719 --> 02:18:13,200
what it does.

3515
02:18:13,200 --> 02:18:15,840
Um, we do have the support of two

3516
02:18:15,840 --> 02:18:17,359
council members currently right now.

3517
02:18:17,359 --> 02:18:18,639
We're seeking the support of every

3518
02:18:18,639 --> 02:18:20,559
single one of you. One of the things

3519
02:18:20,559 --> 02:18:22,960
that we also should keep in mind is that

3520
02:18:22,960 --> 02:18:26,230
statistically,

3521
02:18:26,240 --> 02:18:28,719
well, St. George is is a huge community.

3522
02:18:28,719 --> 02:18:30,240
Their police department take a look at

3523
02:18:30,240 --> 02:18:32,399
it. their their city administrators took

3524
02:18:32,399 --> 02:18:33,920
a look at it and decided it was safe

3525
02:18:33,920 --> 02:18:36,880
enough for them. Um, Pleasant View,

3526
02:18:36,880 --> 02:18:38,719
which is a smaller community, took the

3527
02:18:38,719 --> 02:18:44,319
same same avenue as um did uh Highland.

3528
02:18:44,319 --> 02:18:48,479
For us, as Council Member Rumler spoke

3529
02:18:48,479 --> 02:18:51,200
about earlier, Alpine is a culde-sac

3530
02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:53,359
community. Our streets are smaller. Our

3531
02:18:53,359 --> 02:18:55,519
streets are slower. the volume of

3532
02:18:55,519 --> 02:18:58,800
traffic is less much less in Highland in

3533
02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:01,519
Alpine than it is in Highland. So

3534
02:19:01,519 --> 02:19:04,000
statistically if you look at it our

3535
02:19:04,000 --> 02:19:06,479
accident or potential accident rate

3536
02:19:06,479 --> 02:19:09,120
would would be lower. Uh especially if

3537
02:19:09,120 --> 02:19:12,319
you start talking about having some

3538
02:19:12,319 --> 02:19:14,800
statistics and data that provided us

3539
02:19:14,800 --> 02:19:17,519
additional uh framework to look at it

3540
02:19:17,519 --> 02:19:19,280
more objectively than subjectively.

3541
02:19:19,280 --> 02:19:21,920
Could you go to the next slide please?

3542
02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:25,200
So, we look at some of the risks. Uh we

3543
02:19:25,200 --> 02:19:26,719
see some of the risks that are there in

3544
02:19:26,719 --> 02:19:28,639
the golf carts, but then at the same

3545
02:19:28,639 --> 02:19:32,160
time, we know how a code can increase

3546
02:19:32,160 --> 02:19:34,240
safety. What we're doing is we're

3547
02:19:34,240 --> 02:19:36,000
assigning accountability and we're

3548
02:19:36,000 --> 02:19:38,240
assigning responsibility. We're not

3549
02:19:38,240 --> 02:19:40,479
talking about our our our vision is

3550
02:19:40,479 --> 02:19:43,120
never to allow a 12-year-old with six of

3551
02:19:43,120 --> 02:19:45,120
his friends to jump in a golf cart on a

3552
02:19:45,120 --> 02:19:48,080
Saturday morning and go uh cross country

3553
02:19:48,080 --> 02:19:50,479
across Burgess Park, which we've seen

3554
02:19:50,479 --> 02:19:52,160
happen, right? We've all seen that. And

3555
02:19:52,160 --> 02:19:54,399
sometimes perhaps in the back of a mind,

3556
02:19:54,399 --> 02:19:56,319
that's the sight picture that we see.

3557
02:19:56,319 --> 02:19:57,840
But that's not what we're profering

3558
02:19:57,840 --> 02:19:58,880
here. That's not what we're

3559
02:19:58,880 --> 02:20:00,880
recommending. What we're recommending is

3560
02:20:00,880 --> 02:20:05,359
every single action that is

3561
02:20:05,359 --> 02:20:08,479
dictated, mandated, and enforced by not

3562
02:20:08,479 --> 02:20:11,840
only the Utah state code, but also uh

3563
02:20:11,840 --> 02:20:14,240
different codes and municipalities. Uh

3564
02:20:14,240 --> 02:20:16,479
having a licensed operator, having no

3565
02:20:16,479 --> 02:20:18,080
more than the amount of people that are

3566
02:20:18,080 --> 02:20:19,680
supposed to be in the golf cart. If

3567
02:20:19,680 --> 02:20:20,960
you're going to operate at night, you

3568
02:20:20,960 --> 02:20:22,240
have to have lights, you have to have

3569
02:20:22,240 --> 02:20:25,680
reflectors. Um you're

3570
02:20:25,680 --> 02:20:27,680
subject to every single traffic law. You

3571
02:20:27,680 --> 02:20:29,520
run a stop sign, that's it. You're a

3572
02:20:29,520 --> 02:20:31,760
DUI, that's it. It's they apply the

3573
02:20:31,760 --> 02:20:35,520
exact same way. Next slide, please.

3574
02:20:35,520 --> 02:20:37,200
And so here's some of the safety data

3575
02:20:37,200 --> 02:20:39,359
that has popped up, right? So what we're

3576
02:20:39,359 --> 02:20:43,680
saying is if we end up with a smaller,

3577
02:20:43,680 --> 02:20:47,040
slower volume of traffic. We have 70%

3578
02:20:47,040 --> 02:20:50,160
reduction in pedestrian fatalities, 30

3579
02:20:50,160 --> 02:20:53,520
to 50% reduction in serious traffic

3580
02:20:53,520 --> 02:20:57,840
accidents, and almost a near zero uh

3581
02:20:57,840 --> 02:21:00,479
environment where

3582
02:21:00,479 --> 02:21:02,560
if it's not mismanaged, that's what

3583
02:21:02,560 --> 02:21:04,000
we're going to we're going to end up

3584
02:21:04,000 --> 02:21:07,040
with a with a uh safer system. Next

3585
02:21:07,040 --> 02:21:11,830
slide, please.

3586
02:21:11,840 --> 02:21:12,479
» Oh, I'm sorry.

3587
02:21:12,479 --> 02:21:14,960
>> I'm sorry. Okay. So, we're looking at

3588
02:21:14,960 --> 02:21:16,800
Highland City, St. George, and Pleasant

3589
02:21:16,800 --> 02:21:18,080
View. Those are the three communities

3590
02:21:18,080 --> 02:21:20,399
that have got adopted to it. I had

3591
02:21:20,399 --> 02:21:22,720
recent conversations with the city

3592
02:21:22,720 --> 02:21:25,520
planners at Pleasant Grove, Cedar Hills.

3593
02:21:25,520 --> 02:21:27,588
They are extremely interested in this.

3594
02:21:27,588 --> 02:21:28,720
[clears throat] They're kind of sitting

3595
02:21:28,720 --> 02:21:30,160
back and waiting and seeing what

3596
02:21:30,160 --> 02:21:32,560
happens. Um, we're just going to see

3597
02:21:32,560 --> 02:21:34,960
this continue to grow and expand. The

3598
02:21:34,960 --> 02:21:36,240
other thing that it's going to do is

3599
02:21:36,240 --> 02:21:38,160
it's going to give us more of a town

3600
02:21:38,160 --> 02:21:40,319
feeling. It's going to give us more of a

3601
02:21:40,319 --> 02:21:42,240
of that community that we so talked

3602
02:21:42,240 --> 02:21:44,479
about with these visions of of of

3603
02:21:44,479 --> 02:21:46,399
everything neat that what Alpine's

3604
02:21:46,399 --> 02:21:50,240
about. Next slide, please.

3605
02:21:50,240 --> 02:21:51,840
So,

3606
02:21:51,840 --> 02:21:55,439
>> why mirror Highlands, right? Common

3607
02:21:55,439 --> 02:21:58,479
language, familiarity to the Lone Peaks

3608
02:21:58,479 --> 02:22:00,080
Police Department. It creates a standard

3609
02:22:00,080 --> 02:22:03,040
document with which they can enforce.

3610
02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:05,280
It brings a greater city citizen

3611
02:22:05,280 --> 02:22:06,720
understanding. And I think this is

3612
02:22:06,720 --> 02:22:08,560
really part of the problem. And as I

3613
02:22:08,560 --> 02:22:10,000
talk to my neighbors that have golf

3614
02:22:10,000 --> 02:22:12,000
carts, one of the things that I get is,

3615
02:22:12,000 --> 02:22:14,800
"Well, nobody's watching us. We can do

3616
02:22:14,800 --> 02:22:16,640
whatever we want." Uh, what are they

3617
02:22:16,640 --> 02:22:18,479
going to do to me? Kind of shrug their

3618
02:22:18,479 --> 02:22:20,640
shoulders. And then we end up putting

3619
02:22:20,640 --> 02:22:23,200
Chief Williams organization in a bad

3620
02:22:23,200 --> 02:22:24,720
position because they want to be the

3621
02:22:24,720 --> 02:22:26,399
very best they can be for the community.

3622
02:22:26,399 --> 02:22:28,319
They want to be there to help and

3623
02:22:28,319 --> 02:22:30,080
protect and serve. Just like their motto

3624
02:22:30,080 --> 02:22:32,319
says, nobody wants to be the ugly person

3625
02:22:32,319 --> 02:22:34,800
to rain down on somebody. But when the

3626
02:22:34,800 --> 02:22:38,399
rules are not clear,

3627
02:22:38,399 --> 02:22:40,160
you know, when the cat's away, the mouse

3628
02:22:40,160 --> 02:22:42,240
will play kind of kind of thing. And so

3629
02:22:42,240 --> 02:22:44,319
I think that there's a large number of

3630
02:22:44,319 --> 02:22:47,040
families in this community that for X,

3631
02:22:47,040 --> 02:22:48,960
Y, or Z reason don't understand the

3632
02:22:48,960 --> 02:22:51,760
rules and basically look the other way.

3633
02:22:51,760 --> 02:22:57,600
If in fact we create a methodology which we enforce the rules and that

3634
02:22:57,600 --> 02:23:00,319
person signs a form when he registers

3635
02:23:00,319 --> 02:23:02,319
his golf cart that says A I'm over the

3636
02:23:02,319 --> 02:23:05,040
age of 18 B I'm the registered operator

3637
02:23:05,040 --> 02:23:07,920
on this vehicle or at least on the title

3638
02:23:07,920 --> 02:23:11,200
right and I understand if if I go to the

3639
02:23:11,200 --> 02:23:13,680
pen penalty boxes these are going to be

3640
02:23:13,680 --> 02:23:15,120
the three or four things that happened

3641
02:23:15,120 --> 02:23:17,920
to me all escalating in nature based on

3642
02:23:17,920 --> 02:23:21,600
the frequency of of the citations.

3643
02:23:21,600 --> 02:23:24,319
Then it it might cause a dad or a mom or

3644
02:23:24,319 --> 02:23:26,479
a grandpa or a grandma to think twice

3645
02:23:26,479 --> 02:23:28,560
and say, "No, Billy, you can't take the

3646
02:23:28,560 --> 02:23:30,399
cart because my head's going to be on a

3647
02:23:30,399 --> 02:23:31,600
chopping block." Right.

3648
02:23:31,600 --> 02:23:33,920
>> Mr. Himenez, can we wrap this up? Can

3649
02:23:33,920 --> 02:23:36,240
you just kind of do a conclusion in the

3650
02:23:36,240 --> 02:23:38,240
next couple of minutes, please? I'm just

3651
02:23:38,240 --> 02:23:40,640
getting messages from council.

3652
02:23:40,640 --> 02:23:42,399
>> I have some I want to make sure we have

3653
02:23:42,399 --> 02:23:44,160
time for questions and we still have our

3654
02:23:44,160 --> 02:23:45,280
budget review and

3655
02:23:45,280 --> 02:23:47,920
>> Sorry. My apologies. Yes, sir. Yes,

3656
02:23:47,920 --> 02:23:50,080
ma'am. Basically, I'm here. I'm here to

3657
02:23:50,080 --> 02:23:51,439
let you know there's a grassroots

3658
02:23:51,439 --> 02:23:52,960
efforts of people that would like golf

3659
02:23:52,960 --> 02:23:59,680
carts to be uh codified for Alpine to to

3660
02:23:59,680 --> 02:24:02,640
u update their municipal code. I'm here

3661
02:24:02,640 --> 02:24:04,640
to help in any way whatsoever.

3662
02:24:04,640 --> 02:24:06,479
>> And if there's anything else that any of

3663
02:24:06,479 --> 02:24:08,640
the council members would like to talk

3664
02:24:08,640 --> 02:24:12,240
to me later on about uh

3665
02:24:12,240 --> 02:24:14,000
any questions or concerns that they

3666
02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:15,840
might have. So, I think what we'll do is

3667
02:24:15,840 --> 02:24:17,600
we'll go around and we'll give everyone

3668
02:24:17,600 --> 02:24:19,280
a couple minutes to either make a

3669
02:24:19,280 --> 02:24:20,800
statement or ask a question.

3670
02:24:20,800 --> 02:24:22,560
>> Sure. Thanks. Uh, are there any other

3671
02:24:22,560 --> 02:24:24,000
slides you can scan through that we need

3672
02:24:24,000 --> 02:24:25,439
to see or is this everything?

3673
02:24:25,439 --> 02:24:26,720
>> Everybody scan it really quick.

3674
02:24:26,720 --> 02:24:28,000
>> Yeah, just go through.

3675
02:24:28,000 --> 02:24:28,479
>> All right.

3676
02:24:28,479 --> 02:24:30,240
>> Common standard. Okay. Is there anything

3677
02:24:30,240 --> 02:24:32,960
else that because I don't know. Okay, I

3678
02:24:32,960 --> 02:24:35,280
got that municipal code. Okay. Is this

3679
02:24:35,280 --> 02:24:36,880
like your fine? Okay, that's Thank you

3680
02:24:36,880 --> 02:24:38,960
for your Okay, fantastic.

3681
02:24:38,960 --> 02:24:43,120
>> Um, thank you. Wow, this is amazing. um

3682
02:24:43,120 --> 02:24:47,200
this uh so do you envision this um and

3683
02:24:47,200 --> 02:24:50,240
even though I support this I uh I did

3684
02:24:50,240 --> 02:24:55,840
not write this I he's creating this so I have genuine questions um uh do you

3685
02:24:55,840 --> 02:24:57,600
know how it's going in Highland and in

3686
02:24:57,600 --> 02:24:58,560
St. George?

3687
02:24:58,560 --> 02:24:59,040
>> Yeah.

3688
02:24:59,040 --> 02:24:59,520
>> Have we?

3689
02:24:59,520 --> 02:25:01,200
>> They're very pleased with it. As a

3690
02:25:01,200 --> 02:25:03,040
matter of fact, when speaking with a

3691
02:25:03,040 --> 02:25:04,800
couple of the members of the Highland

3692
02:25:04,800 --> 02:25:07,040
City Council, they uh are going to

3693
02:25:07,040 --> 02:25:09,280
approach the the the city council and

3694
02:25:09,280 --> 02:25:10,560
the mayor on some additional

3695
02:25:10,560 --> 02:25:12,800
modifications to their current structure

3696
02:25:12,800 --> 02:25:15,200
which will only increase the use of golf

3697
02:25:15,200 --> 02:25:16,479
carts within their community.

3698
02:25:16,479 --> 02:25:20,160
>> Do we have we had any, you know, uh

3699
02:25:20,160 --> 02:25:22,640
catastrophic incidents or anything uh in

3700
02:25:22,640 --> 02:25:24,319
Highland recently with these or has it

3701
02:25:24,319 --> 02:25:27,040
been pretty okay?

3702
02:25:27,040 --> 02:25:28,479
I guess we're looking at Chief. You can

3703
02:25:28,479 --> 02:25:29,920
add

3704
02:25:29,920 --> 02:25:32,720
>> Sorry. Sorry. Okay. Okay. I

3705
02:25:32,720 --> 02:25:34,319
>> Okay. The the curiosity

3706
02:25:34,319 --> 02:25:36,319
>> I'm I'm not I'm not aware of anybody. I

3707
02:25:36,319 --> 02:25:37,920
don't I don't have those statistics. I'm

3708
02:25:37,920 --> 02:25:38,479
not aware.

3709
02:25:38,479 --> 02:25:42,960
>> Um do you would you uh uh would you just

3710
02:25:42,960 --> 02:25:46,720
uh help me understand? I I see it saying

3711
02:25:46,720 --> 02:25:49,120
it's all that where we would allow this.

3712
02:25:49,120 --> 02:25:50,640
Um and I only have a couple more

3713
02:25:50,640 --> 02:25:53,200
questions. We would allow it on streets

3714
02:25:53,200 --> 02:25:55,120
anywhere 35 and under. Is that correct?

3715
02:25:55,120 --> 02:25:57,920
>> It's the way the law is written. A golf

3716
02:25:57,920 --> 02:26:01,359
cart is by law cannot go over 25 miles

3717
02:26:01,359 --> 02:26:04,000
an hour. Actually 24 or below, right?

3718
02:26:04,000 --> 02:26:05,840
But according to the Utah state code, at

3719
02:26:05,840 --> 02:26:07,200
least the way that I understand it,

3720
02:26:07,200 --> 02:26:09,680
unless I'm they are allowed on any

3721
02:26:09,680 --> 02:26:11,840
street that is 35,

3722
02:26:11,840 --> 02:26:12,240
>> okay,

3723
02:26:12,240 --> 02:26:12,880
>> or less

3724
02:26:12,880 --> 02:26:14,880
>> because I envision these on most of our

3725
02:26:14,880 --> 02:26:15,760
roads. I can't

3726
02:26:15,760 --> 02:26:17,760
>> You wouldn't go on State Road 92 with

3727
02:26:17,760 --> 02:26:19,439
>> Right. I can't envision it on Canyon

3728
02:26:19,439 --> 02:26:21,439
Crest. I can't envision it on Alpine

3729
02:26:21,439 --> 02:26:24,479
Highway. I can't envision it on those.

3730
02:26:24,479 --> 02:26:27,600
But the other ones, I can see it. Um,

3731
02:26:27,600 --> 02:26:30,319
uh, let me just I wrote them all down.

3732
02:26:30,319 --> 02:26:32,800
Where the couple comments I have is I

3733
02:26:32,800 --> 02:26:34,560
was just in Cincinnati for work and I

3734
02:26:34,560 --> 02:26:36,720
did go to a community that I have a

3735
02:26:36,720 --> 02:26:39,120
picture of it if you want to open it up.

3736
02:26:39,120 --> 02:26:40,560
You don't have to though, Heidi. It's

3737
02:26:40,560 --> 02:26:41,600
the one.

3738
02:26:41,600 --> 02:26:44,240
>> Oh, okay. Okay. Sorry. I did go to a

3739
02:26:44,240 --> 02:26:46,160
community and I do realize that when I

3740
02:26:46,160 --> 02:26:49,120
go to communities where these are, which

3741
02:26:49,120 --> 02:26:50,720
I have only subconsciously been

3742
02:26:50,720 --> 02:26:53,040
realizing, they are nice communities. I

3743
02:26:53,040 --> 02:26:54,160
don't know if it's circular. You bring

3744
02:26:54,160 --> 02:26:55,359
them in, they become nice or they're

3745
02:26:55,359 --> 02:26:56,880
nice and so they bring them in. But they

3746
02:26:56,880 --> 02:26:58,960
are nice communities. This one was a

3747
02:26:58,960 --> 02:27:01,920
lake community. Um the reason I think

3748
02:27:01,920 --> 02:27:03,680
the last comment, the reason I think

3749
02:27:03,680 --> 02:27:07,120
this is good is we need to define it. So

3750
02:27:07,120 --> 02:27:08,960
when he came to me, I had no preference,

3751
02:27:08,960 --> 02:27:10,800
yes or no, on this. I was very impressed

3752
02:27:10,800 --> 02:27:12,800
with Mario's research and everything he

3753
02:27:12,800 --> 02:27:15,359
was doing. And I love that he's working

3754
02:27:15,359 --> 02:27:18,640
through all of the uh uh details on it.

3755
02:27:18,640 --> 02:27:21,680
I see motorcycles on our roads which I

3756
02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:24,319
would think would have similar danger

3757
02:27:24,319 --> 02:27:28,640
factors as well as um kids on electric.

3758
02:27:28,640 --> 02:27:31,120
Uh I I see other type or as just a

3759
02:27:31,120 --> 02:27:32,960
person on a bike is I guess it's just as

3760
02:27:32,960 --> 02:27:34,319
vulnerable.

3761
02:27:34,319 --> 02:27:36,880
>> Yeah. An an ebike has 10 times the

3762
02:27:36,880 --> 02:27:38,319
safety hazard.

3763
02:27:38,319 --> 02:27:39,439
>> Right. Right. What even just a normal

3764
02:27:39,439 --> 02:27:42,319
bike, not even an ebike, uh I see uh

3765
02:27:42,319 --> 02:27:44,399
even more danger. So, anyways, I'm in

3766
02:27:44,399 --> 02:27:46,479
favor of this because I do think we need

3767
02:27:46,479 --> 02:27:49,040
something in the code to codify this. I

3768
02:27:49,040 --> 02:27:51,840
do see my neighbors using them. I do see

3769
02:27:51,840 --> 02:27:53,359
several folks where you live using them

3770
02:27:53,359 --> 02:27:55,040
and I think they'll be more common. Um,

3771
02:27:55,040 --> 02:27:56,240
thank you for doing this. I'm so

3772
02:27:56,240 --> 02:27:57,280
impressed.

3773
02:27:57,280 --> 02:27:59,200
>> Thank you. Um, Brent,

3774
02:27:59,200 --> 02:28:01,040
>> yeah, I have a couple comments. Um, I

3775
02:28:01,040 --> 02:28:02,319
think I'll dispense with a history of

3776
02:28:02,319 --> 02:28:03,680
golf carts. It's okay.

3777
02:28:03,680 --> 02:28:05,439
>> Yeah, [laughter] that would be great.

3778
02:28:05,439 --> 02:28:07,760
>> But I have been using them for 42 years,

3779
02:28:07,760 --> 02:28:10,240
I I must say. So, just a couple of

3780
02:28:10,240 --> 02:28:12,800
things. Um, I don't have any questions.

3781
02:28:12,800 --> 02:28:13,840
I don't know if you want to keep still

3782
02:28:13,840 --> 02:28:14,960
standing. I just have a couple of

3783
02:28:14,960 --> 02:28:18,160
comments. First of all, it is codified.

3784
02:28:18,160 --> 02:28:21,120
The state law prohibits golf carts in

3785
02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:24,880
Utah absent a municipality adopting

3786
02:28:24,880 --> 02:28:27,200
um an ordinance allowing golf carts. So,

3787
02:28:27,200 --> 02:28:28,720
it is codified. It might not be

3788
02:28:28,720 --> 02:28:31,680
specified in Alpine City, but golf carts

3789
02:28:31,680 --> 02:28:33,280
are illegal to be operated on city

3790
02:28:33,280 --> 02:28:34,399
streets in Alpine.

3791
02:28:34,399 --> 02:28:34,880
>> That's correct.

3792
02:28:34,880 --> 02:28:36,319
>> So, you brought that up, but just to

3793
02:28:36,319 --> 02:28:38,000
make it clear, it is codified.

3794
02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:40,000
>> Yeah. Um, and just because someone is

3795
02:28:40,000 --> 02:28:41,520
ignorant of the laws, that's no excuse

3796
02:28:41,520 --> 02:28:45,280
for them um, great violating the law.

3797
02:28:45,280 --> 02:28:47,600
>> So, our police, I'll maybe I'll cover

3798
02:28:47,600 --> 02:28:49,520
this in a little just a second, but our

3799
02:28:49,520 --> 02:28:51,439
police, as you mentioned, ebikes and

3800
02:28:51,439 --> 02:28:53,359
motorcycles, and there's plenty of

3801
02:28:53,359 --> 02:28:58,399
things you can misuse that are legal to use on our streets. Um, but

3802
02:28:58,399 --> 02:29:00,080
it's just one more thing the police has

3803
02:29:00,080 --> 02:29:04,080
to enforce. and if

3804
02:29:04,080 --> 02:29:06,080
we legalize golf carts and maybe there

3805
02:29:06,080 --> 02:29:07,920
will be because right now we've had four

3806
02:29:07,920 --> 02:29:10,800
residents um express their interest in

3807
02:29:10,800 --> 02:29:13,600
golf carts and I really appreciate Mr.

3808
02:29:13,600 --> 02:29:15,359
Jimenez your your research and

3809
02:29:15,359 --> 02:29:17,680
everything like that.

3810
02:29:17,680 --> 02:29:19,920
I I actually did quite a bit of research

3811
02:29:19,920 --> 02:29:23,359
and there are six municipalities in Utah

3812
02:29:23,359 --> 02:29:25,280
that currently authorize golf carts out

3813
02:29:25,280 --> 02:29:28,080
of 255 in Utah. Golf carts have been

3814
02:29:28,080 --> 02:29:30,240
around as I mentioned for quite a while.

3815
02:29:30,240 --> 02:29:33,359
Um, two of those are very focused golf

3816
02:29:33,359 --> 02:29:34,880
communities where I play golf quite

3817
02:29:34,880 --> 02:29:37,439
often in Hurricane and St. George, Utah,

3818
02:29:37,439 --> 02:29:39,040
and they weren't unanimous decisions by

3819
02:29:39,040 --> 02:29:43,040
the city councils. Um, my main concern

3820
02:29:43,040 --> 02:29:45,920
is safety and I think we'll have the

3821
02:29:45,920 --> 02:29:47,760
police chief William talk about that

3822
02:29:47,760 --> 02:29:49,840
here in just a second.

3823
02:29:49,840 --> 02:29:52,800
Um, we can all look up and Google what

3824
02:29:52,800 --> 02:29:54,720
the proponents for these kind of

3825
02:29:54,720 --> 02:29:56,319
proposals

3826
02:29:56,319 --> 02:29:59,600
utilize for or site as what they would

3827
02:29:59,600 --> 02:30:01,439
like to see such as increased

3828
02:30:01,439 --> 02:30:02,640
accessibility, alternative

3829
02:30:02,640 --> 02:30:04,640
transportation, reduce traffic

3830
02:30:04,640 --> 02:30:06,240
congestion in neighborhoods, which is

3831
02:30:06,240 --> 02:30:07,520
why they're appropriate in some

3832
02:30:07,520 --> 02:30:09,280
communities like the Florida community

3833
02:30:09,280 --> 02:30:10,960
that's a retirement community. It's

3834
02:30:10,960 --> 02:30:15,200
enclosed. It doesn't have businesses and

3835
02:30:15,200 --> 02:30:16,560
commercial zones and things like that.

3836
02:30:16,560 --> 02:30:18,319
That's why I think communities are

3837
02:30:18,319 --> 02:30:21,120
different from cities in allowing golf

3838
02:30:21,120 --> 02:30:22,800
carts.

3839
02:30:22,800 --> 02:30:24,720
Just one website I found in particular

3840
02:30:24,720 --> 02:30:26,399
said zero, it's a zero fatalities

3841
02:30:26,399 --> 02:30:28,640
organization. It says golf carts are not

3842
02:30:28,640 --> 02:30:30,160
safe for public roads because they lack

3843
02:30:30,160 --> 02:30:32,560
the design and safety features necessary

3844
02:30:32,560 --> 02:30:34,319
for road use. I'm not going to go

3845
02:30:34,319 --> 02:30:36,399
through all the specifics under each

3846
02:30:36,399 --> 02:30:37,760
category, but here are the reasons they

3847
02:30:37,760 --> 02:30:40,000
list. limited safety features, low

3848
02:30:40,000 --> 02:30:42,240
speeds, lack of stability, poor

3849
02:30:42,240 --> 02:30:44,319
visibility, minimal protection for

3850
02:30:44,319 --> 02:30:46,960
crashes, limited lighting and signaling,

3851
02:30:46,960 --> 02:30:48,240
and they're not built for road

3852
02:30:48,240 --> 02:30:49,840
conditions.

3853
02:30:49,840 --> 02:30:53,429
Um,

3854
02:30:53,439 --> 02:30:58,870
just I made a few notes here.

3855
02:30:58,880 --> 02:31:01,840
You mentioned that golf carts are

3856
02:31:01,840 --> 02:31:03,439
current currently being used in

3857
02:31:03,439 --> 02:31:04,800
violation of the law, which is

3858
02:31:04,800 --> 02:31:05,600
unfortunate.

3859
02:31:05,600 --> 02:31:08,960
>> That's correct. I think by allowing them

3860
02:31:08,960 --> 02:31:11,359
um and publicizing that they're allowed,

3861
02:31:11,359 --> 02:31:12,240
I think you're probably going to have

3862
02:31:12,240 --> 02:31:14,560
more of that. What I've seen, and this

3863
02:31:14,560 --> 02:31:16,720
actually came up in a in the meet the

3864
02:31:16,720 --> 02:31:18,479
candidates, if you remember the meet the

3865
02:31:18,479 --> 02:31:19,840
candidates night two and a half years

3866
02:31:19,840 --> 02:31:22,640
ago, one of the questions was what your

3867
02:31:22,640 --> 02:31:24,160
what's your position on golf carts in

3868
02:31:24,160 --> 02:31:25,920
the community? And you could tell from

3869
02:31:25,920 --> 02:31:27,760
the tone of the question that they were

3870
02:31:27,760 --> 02:31:29,040
against it because they've seen what

3871
02:31:29,040 --> 02:31:31,520
I've seen, which is what you said, the

3872
02:31:31,520 --> 02:31:33,200
12-year-olds with six kids hanging on

3873
02:31:33,200 --> 02:31:34,880
the outside doing that. I'm just worried

3874
02:31:34,880 --> 02:31:36,560
that if we allow golf carts, we're going

3875
02:31:36,560 --> 02:31:38,720
to see even a greater um incidence of

3876
02:31:38,720 --> 02:31:41,120
that with an already stressed or not

3877
02:31:41,120 --> 02:31:45,600
stressed but a small police force that

3878
02:31:45,600 --> 02:31:47,359
already has a limited capacity for

3879
02:31:47,359 --> 02:31:51,040
traffic and safety enforcement.

3880
02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:57,510
Uh let's see what else.

3881
02:31:57,520 --> 02:31:59,359
Oh, you cited all that safety data for

3882
02:31:59,359 --> 02:32:01,680
how lower speeds increase safety, which

3883
02:32:01,680 --> 02:32:04,960
I 100% agree with. Um but that's I think

3884
02:32:04,960 --> 02:32:08,880
that's for vehicles. Um

3885
02:32:08,880 --> 02:32:12,800
and golf carts as

3886
02:32:12,800 --> 02:32:16,160
have to comply with the bicycle laws. So

3887
02:32:16,160 --> 02:32:17,600
they I guess they would be signaling

3888
02:32:17,600 --> 02:32:19,439
their stops and their left turns and

3889
02:32:19,439 --> 02:32:20,319
right turns like a bicycle

3890
02:32:20,319 --> 02:32:22,080
>> unless the golf carts have turn signals

3891
02:32:22,080 --> 02:32:22,319
on.

3892
02:32:22,319 --> 02:32:23,920
>> Right. Right.

3893
02:32:23,920 --> 02:32:26,880
Um, another concern that we've had on

3894
02:32:26,880 --> 02:32:28,880
the city council is damage to city parks

3895
02:32:28,880 --> 02:32:30,880
by in inappropriate use of electronic

3896
02:32:30,880 --> 02:32:32,960
vehicles, which could include golf

3897
02:32:32,960 --> 02:32:35,439
carts. And, uh, we've spent thousands of

3898
02:32:35,439 --> 02:32:38,640
dollars to repair damage to our city

3899
02:32:38,640 --> 02:32:41,120
parks and even enclosed the baseball

3900
02:32:41,120 --> 02:32:45,520
fields at Burgess to keep ebikes and um,

3901
02:32:45,520 --> 02:32:47,120
any other electronic vehicles, which

3902
02:32:47,120 --> 02:32:49,040
could be golf carts. And if we promote

3903
02:32:49,040 --> 02:32:50,960
this and we get a lot more golf carts in

3904
02:32:50,960 --> 02:32:52,160
the seat, I'm just worried that there's

3905
02:32:52,160 --> 02:32:54,800
this that much more likelihood of

3906
02:32:54,800 --> 02:32:56,399
inappropriate use that our law

3907
02:32:56,399 --> 02:32:58,880
enforcement just isn't um staffed

3908
02:32:58,880 --> 02:33:01,920
sufficiently to enforce.

3909
02:33:01,920 --> 02:33:04,479
We talked about use by minors. We put

3910
02:33:04,479 --> 02:33:06,160
out constant newsine articles, Heidi

3911
02:33:06,160 --> 02:33:09,040
does, about about the dangers of ebikes,

3912
02:33:09,040 --> 02:33:11,040
motorcycles. Chrissy and I both

3913
02:33:11,040 --> 02:33:13,120
mentioned in the last Lone Peak Public

3914
02:33:13,120 --> 02:33:15,760
Safety District meeting that we recently

3915
02:33:15,760 --> 02:33:17,600
had incidents of trying to pull onto a

3916
02:33:17,600 --> 02:33:19,680
street and having a kid riding an ebike

3917
02:33:19,680 --> 02:33:21,840
on the sidewalk opposite direction, no

3918
02:33:21,840 --> 02:33:24,240
helmet, just very very dangerous. And

3919
02:33:24,240 --> 02:33:25,680
this would just I think would just add

3920
02:33:25,680 --> 02:33:28,240
to that. And just one more thing, the

3921
02:33:28,240 --> 02:33:31,040
city staff and the city and one of the

3922
02:33:31,040 --> 02:33:38,960
drawbacks for these is the difficulty of city councils to enforce and regulate

3923
02:33:38,960 --> 02:33:40,960
the use in an ongoing basis and I have a

3924
02:33:40,960 --> 02:33:44,630
concern about that.

3925
02:33:44,640 --> 02:33:46,479
Um I already talked about the existing

3926
02:33:46,479 --> 02:33:48,560
limitations on traffic enforcement and

3927
02:33:48,560 --> 02:33:50,720
the difficulty of enforcement of these

3928
02:33:50,720 --> 02:33:53,920
type of things.

3929
02:33:53,920 --> 02:34:00,560
Another concern I have is that there's

3930
02:34:00,560 --> 02:34:02,880
no liability liability insurance

3931
02:34:02,880 --> 02:34:04,880
requirements for golf cart use and

3932
02:34:04,880 --> 02:34:06,880
homeowners policies generally do not

3933
02:34:06,880 --> 02:34:09,520
cover any damage unless it's done on

3934
02:34:09,520 --> 02:34:12,160
your personal on your own property and

3935
02:34:12,160 --> 02:34:15,040
vehicle insurance in my online research

3936
02:34:15,040 --> 02:34:17,680
showed that most our vehicle policies

3937
02:34:17,680 --> 02:34:19,840
will not cover golf cart use. And I have

3938
02:34:19,840 --> 02:34:21,520
been hit by an uninsured motor twice in

3939
02:34:21,520 --> 02:34:23,920
my life. One was many, many years ago

3940
02:34:23,920 --> 02:34:25,840
when I don't think uninsured motorists

3941
02:34:25,840 --> 02:34:27,840
existed and I learned very quickly that

3942
02:34:27,840 --> 02:34:29,520
it's very hard to collect money from an

3943
02:34:29,520 --> 02:34:32,000
uninsured motorist and I do have a

3944
02:34:32,000 --> 02:34:34,160
liability insurance on my golf cart.

3945
02:34:34,160 --> 02:34:35,680
>> Great. So there is a writer on your

3946
02:34:35,680 --> 02:34:36,720
homeowners policy.

3947
02:34:36,720 --> 02:34:38,479
>> No sir, it's through my auto.

3948
02:34:38,479 --> 02:34:41,359
>> Great. So for your use in Alpine?

3949
02:34:41,359 --> 02:34:41,840
>> What's that?

3950
02:34:41,840 --> 02:34:43,520
>> For your use of the golf cart in Alpine

3951
02:34:43,520 --> 02:34:44,240
>> in Highland.

3952
02:34:44,240 --> 02:34:45,439
>> Oh, you use in Highland. Okay.

3953
02:34:45,439 --> 02:34:47,040
>> I have to take it to Highland to use it

3954
02:34:47,040 --> 02:34:47,680
legally.

3955
02:34:47,680 --> 02:34:51,760
>> Okay. All right. Um, the rest of my

3956
02:34:51,760 --> 02:34:54,080
comments are would be centered around

3957
02:34:54,080 --> 02:34:57,920
whether there's an action item put on a

3958
02:34:57,920 --> 02:34:59,520
future agenda about what an ordinance

3959
02:34:59,520 --> 02:35:01,280
would look like if we do decide to go

3960
02:35:01,280 --> 02:35:03,200
that route. But in my opinion, I don't

3961
02:35:03,200 --> 02:35:05,760
think it's it's the right thing to do.

3962
02:35:05,760 --> 02:35:07,439
>> Thank you.

3963
02:35:07,439 --> 02:35:11,760
>> So, um, yes, I supported I support this

3964
02:35:11,760 --> 02:35:13,520
conversation. You know, it doesn't mean

3965
02:35:13,520 --> 02:35:16,800
I support moving it to an action item,

3966
02:35:16,800 --> 02:35:18,880
but I want you to know why I support it.

3967
02:35:18,880 --> 02:35:21,120
I think I'm looking at it from the

3968
02:35:21,120 --> 02:35:23,600
standpoint of

3969
02:35:23,600 --> 02:35:26,399
it could make Alpine safer because it is

3970
02:35:26,399 --> 02:35:30,000
a way of life. It will slow cars down if

3971
02:35:30,000 --> 02:35:32,960
it's used in certain areas, which I

3972
02:35:32,960 --> 02:35:35,280
think it would be used going to parks,

3973
02:35:35,280 --> 02:35:37,120
you know, going to friends houses, but

3974
02:35:37,120 --> 02:35:39,359
it wouldn't be used on our main roads.

3975
02:35:39,359 --> 02:35:40,880
So, in those areas where we have

3976
02:35:40,880 --> 02:35:43,200
problems with people speeding, golf

3977
02:35:43,200 --> 02:35:45,600
carts would, by the nature of the speed

3978
02:35:45,600 --> 02:35:47,920
of a golf cart, slow everyone down. So,

3979
02:35:47,920 --> 02:35:49,760
I'm interested in the conversation with

3980
02:35:49,760 --> 02:35:53,359
council to see if there's any interest

3981
02:35:53,359 --> 02:35:56,399
in, you know, looking at Highland in the

3982
02:35:56,399 --> 02:35:58,560
future to see what's going on in

3983
02:35:58,560 --> 02:36:00,640
Highland. Like I think with Highland

3984
02:36:00,640 --> 02:36:02,319
adopting this and some of our streets

3985
02:36:02,319 --> 02:36:06,319
connecting that we should consider um

3986
02:36:06,319 --> 02:36:09,520
are there some benefits to us in

3987
02:36:09,520 --> 02:36:12,800
adopting a golf cart, you know,

3988
02:36:12,800 --> 02:36:15,840
ordinance so that we can stay

3989
02:36:15,840 --> 02:36:18,080
consistent with the streets that connect

3990
02:36:18,080 --> 02:36:19,920
with Highland, but also what are the

3991
02:36:19,920 --> 02:36:22,960
benefits? I think it's a little early.

3992
02:36:22,960 --> 02:36:26,160
I'd like to see what Highland learns. I

3993
02:36:26,160 --> 02:36:27,760
don't know exactly when their ordinance

3994
02:36:27,760 --> 02:36:29,920
was passed, but

3995
02:36:29,920 --> 02:36:31,040
>> May of 25.

3996
02:36:31,040 --> 02:36:33,600
So, we're coming up on a

3997
02:36:33,600 --> 02:36:37,520
year. Um, one question I had, is there a

3998
02:36:37,520 --> 02:36:40,720
way for us to get more public input? Um,

3999
02:36:40,720 --> 02:36:43,359
right now we have four families or four

4000
02:36:43,359 --> 02:36:45,680
people that are interested. Right now, I

4001
02:36:45,680 --> 02:36:48,479
see this as complimentary to kind of our

4002
02:36:48,479 --> 02:36:50,399
parks master plan. Actually, I kind of

4003
02:36:50,399 --> 02:36:52,640
see people going from park to park in

4004
02:36:52,640 --> 02:36:54,800
their golf carts in Alpine or trail

4005
02:36:54,800 --> 02:36:57,600
heads, but um is there a way that we

4006
02:36:57,600 --> 02:37:00,479
could add a survey so that we could find

4007
02:37:00,479 --> 02:37:03,520
out are residents interested and just

4008
02:37:03,520 --> 02:37:05,120
have this conversation and get more

4009
02:37:05,120 --> 02:37:06,800
resident feedback?

4010
02:37:06,800 --> 02:37:08,000
>> Um [clears throat] I have just learned

4011
02:37:08,000 --> 02:37:10,640
tonight that there is a Facebook group

4012
02:37:10,640 --> 02:37:12,240
that has been created. I don't do

4013
02:37:12,240 --> 02:37:14,240
Facebook, but apparently there's a

4014
02:37:14,240 --> 02:37:16,800
Alpine Golf Card Facebook page now. So,

4015
02:37:16,800 --> 02:37:18,399
I don't know what data we'll be able to

4016
02:37:18,399 --> 02:37:20,319
mine from that, but that that has

4017
02:37:20,319 --> 02:37:21,920
recently been created.

4018
02:37:21,920 --> 02:37:23,600
>> Yeah. So, I would like to definitely get

4019
02:37:23,600 --> 02:37:25,520
more public input. That's it.

4020
02:37:25,520 --> 02:37:26,000
>> Okay.

4021
02:37:26,000 --> 02:37:27,520
>> Mayor, can I just make one quick

4022
02:37:27,520 --> 02:37:29,840
comment? So, about the survey,

4023
02:37:29,840 --> 02:37:30,640
>> we actually have [clears throat] a

4024
02:37:30,640 --> 02:37:33,760
survey that'll be coming out very soon

4025
02:37:33,760 --> 02:37:35,600
for the day. Heidi,

4026
02:37:35,600 --> 02:37:36,240
>> it's

4027
02:37:36,240 --> 02:37:39,120
>> like very soon uh for the parks master

4028
02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:42,319
plan and maybe we could add a question

4029
02:37:42,319 --> 02:37:42,960
on there.

4030
02:37:42,960 --> 02:37:44,960
>> That'd be great. as well.

4031
02:37:44,960 --> 02:37:46,800
>> Um, first of all, I would like to

4032
02:37:46,800 --> 02:37:48,640
acknowledge the fact that Mr. Jimenez

4033
02:37:48,640 --> 02:37:50,160
has served our country and I just want

4034
02:37:50,160 --> 02:37:53,040
to say thank you. Um, once a Marine,

4035
02:37:53,040 --> 02:37:56,479
always Marine. Um, and then also I

4036
02:37:56,479 --> 02:37:58,240
wanted to just commend you on your work

4037
02:37:58,240 --> 02:38:01,680
and efforts on this project. Um, I did

4038
02:38:01,680 --> 02:38:04,080
re Oh, sorry. I did reach out to all the

4039
02:38:04,080 --> 02:38:06,640
council members of Highland City to kind

4040
02:38:06,640 --> 02:38:08,080
of get a better understanding of how

4041
02:38:08,080 --> 02:38:09,680
that ordinance is going in Highland and

4042
02:38:09,680 --> 02:38:14,000
I actually got mixed reviews. Um,

4043
02:38:14,000 --> 02:38:16,240
so I guess it's a balance between safety

4044
02:38:16,240 --> 02:38:18,960
and convenience. And for me, I don't

4045
02:38:18,960 --> 02:38:21,840
know that the the convenience outweighs

4046
02:38:21,840 --> 02:38:24,479
the safety factor. Um, the only way I

4047
02:38:24,479 --> 02:38:27,359
would maybe consider this working is

4048
02:38:27,359 --> 02:38:30,720
maybe in our for accessibility under

4049
02:38:30,720 --> 02:38:33,200
specific circumstances for people that

4050
02:38:33,200 --> 02:38:37,760
need ADA compliance or um maybe in our

4051
02:38:37,760 --> 02:38:40,479
senior housing areas. I could see that

4052
02:38:40,479 --> 02:38:44,560
as being a viable option. Um, and I'm

4053
02:38:44,560 --> 02:38:46,240
also interested. I did reach out to

4054
02:38:46,240 --> 02:38:49,120
Chief Williams and asked him and I spoke

4055
02:38:49,120 --> 02:38:50,640
with another police officer that lives

4056
02:38:50,640 --> 02:38:53,520
in our neighborhood as well. Um, and so

4057
02:38:53,520 --> 02:38:56,880
I'd be interested to have one after

4058
02:38:56,880 --> 02:38:58,960
Councilwoman Hannaman just maybe Chief

4059
02:38:58,960 --> 02:39:01,760
Williams speak to speak to his thoughts

4060
02:39:01,760 --> 02:39:04,960
and comments on safety. So, with the

4061
02:39:04,960 --> 02:39:07,200
senior housing areas that I'm aware of

4062
02:39:07,200 --> 02:39:09,840
here in Alpines, um those are private

4063
02:39:09,840 --> 02:39:12,240
roads. So, private roads, you can use

4064
02:39:12,240 --> 02:39:15,040
golf carts by state law. You can use

4065
02:39:15,040 --> 02:39:16,880
them by state law. You can operate them

4066
02:39:16,880 --> 02:39:19,680
either on golf courses or private road

4067
02:39:19,680 --> 02:39:22,000
or private property. And so, the senior

4068
02:39:22,000 --> 02:39:24,160
housing complexes that we have like

4069
02:39:24,160 --> 02:39:26,080
Montadella, that's a private road.

4070
02:39:26,080 --> 02:39:28,160
They're maintaining it so they can ride

4071
02:39:28,160 --> 02:39:30,960
within their own community. And then, um

4072
02:39:30,960 --> 02:39:32,640
there's another area, I forget what it's

4073
02:39:32,640 --> 02:39:34,479
called, but It's behind the senior

4074
02:39:34,479 --> 02:39:36,479
center. It's those cottages. Those are

4075
02:39:36,479 --> 02:39:37,520
private roads and

4076
02:39:37,520 --> 02:39:39,439
>> which is similar to what I think Andrew

4077
02:39:39,439 --> 02:39:41,359
and Mr. Jimenez were citing

4078
02:39:41,359 --> 02:39:42,720
>> of those those communities. Those are

4079
02:39:42,720 --> 02:39:44,160
private private um

4080
02:39:44,160 --> 02:39:46,160
>> so they can that already.

4081
02:39:46,160 --> 02:39:46,560
>> Thank you.

4082
02:39:46,560 --> 02:39:48,080
>> Did you have anything else you want? No,

4083
02:39:48,080 --> 02:39:50,240
that's it. Okay. Go ahead, Chris. Sorry.

4084
02:39:50,240 --> 02:39:52,000
>> It was interesting that you um found the

4085
02:39:52,000 --> 02:39:54,000
two cities my parents have lived in.

4086
02:39:54,000 --> 02:39:55,840
Pleasant View is much like our city.

4087
02:39:55,840 --> 02:39:58,960
It's up on a hill. It's in a box canyon.

4088
02:39:58,960 --> 02:40:00,720
There's no really through roads out of

4089
02:40:00,720 --> 02:40:03,120
there. So that kind of fit piqued my

4090
02:40:03,120 --> 02:40:05,359
interest. Um they live in St. George,

4091
02:40:05,359 --> 02:40:08,720
but maybe it's private roads, but um due

4092
02:40:08,720 --> 02:40:10,240
to the demographic because it's in a

4093
02:40:10,240 --> 02:40:12,319
senior area, it's just provides more

4094
02:40:12,319 --> 02:40:16,640
mobility really um and more connectivity

4095
02:40:16,640 --> 02:40:19,200
kind of. So I was very curious about it.

4096
02:40:19,200 --> 02:40:21,439
I don't have a strong opinion and I will

4097
02:40:21,439 --> 02:40:23,520
defer to the council at a later time.

4098
02:40:23,520 --> 02:40:25,600
Just thank you for your wonderful

4099
02:40:25,600 --> 02:40:26,960
presentation. And I felt like it was

4100
02:40:26,960 --> 02:40:29,600
very thorough, easy to understand, and

4101
02:40:29,600 --> 02:40:32,160
gave me a lot of pause to think. I

4102
02:40:32,160 --> 02:40:33,359
didn't do all the research that Sarah

4103
02:40:33,359 --> 02:40:35,680
does, but that's why we're a team. Sarah

4104
02:40:35,680 --> 02:40:37,920
and Brent will do endless research and

4105
02:40:37,920 --> 02:40:39,680
bring it towards us. And I I would like

4106
02:40:39,680 --> 02:40:43,120
to hear also from our uh police chief.

4107
02:40:43,120 --> 02:40:44,560
>> Police chief and res. There's one

4108
02:40:44,560 --> 02:40:45,920
there's a couple things that I did want

4109
02:40:45,920 --> 02:40:47,359
to add. If you guys are going to

4110
02:40:47,359 --> 02:40:49,520
consider it, I feel like like Highland

4111
02:40:49,520 --> 02:40:52,560
did that the age needs to go up to 18 or

4112
02:40:52,560 --> 02:40:54,800
older. And then um they don't allow it

4113
02:40:54,800 --> 02:40:57,359
on public streets that are more than 25

4114
02:40:57,359 --> 02:41:00,880
miles an hour. And when I looked up on

4115
02:41:00,880 --> 02:41:02,640
the state code, the state code does not

4116
02:41:02,640 --> 02:41:05,439
specify a speed limit, although it says

4117
02:41:05,439 --> 02:41:08,000
it on AI. It's not allowed on roads 25

4118
02:41:08,000 --> 02:41:09,439
or more, but when I actually looked up

4119
02:41:09,439 --> 02:41:10,880
the code that it was referencing, it

4120
02:41:10,880 --> 02:41:13,840
does not have a specific speed limit. Um

4121
02:41:13,840 --> 02:41:15,600
but I'm with, you know, I'm with

4122
02:41:15,600 --> 02:41:17,840
Jessica. I would like to know what the

4123
02:41:17,840 --> 02:41:20,560
public is looking at, but also I kind of

4124
02:41:20,560 --> 02:41:22,160
would like to see what the safety record

4125
02:41:22,160 --> 02:41:24,399
is. Chief, can you come up and kind of

4126
02:41:24,399 --> 02:41:26,800
help us what your experience has been so

4127
02:41:26,800 --> 02:41:29,600
far this last year, if any, because I

4128
02:41:29,600 --> 02:41:31,760
don't know how many golf carts there are

4129
02:41:31,760 --> 02:41:33,439
in Highland. I'm not even sure how many

4130
02:41:33,439 --> 02:41:35,120
golf carts there are here in Alpine.

4131
02:41:35,120 --> 02:41:37,040
>> May I may just make one closing comment.

4132
02:41:37,040 --> 02:41:38,640
Thank you so much. I appreciate the

4133
02:41:38,640 --> 02:41:42,080
council at least entertaining this idea.

4134
02:41:42,080 --> 02:41:43,680
The the one question I'd like to leave

4135
02:41:43,680 --> 02:41:45,359
the council with and perhaps maybe it's

4136
02:41:45,359 --> 02:41:50,469
a direct question to the chief is

4137
02:41:50,479 --> 02:41:53,120
I'm I'm trying to understand so that I

4138
02:41:53,120 --> 02:41:54,560
can explain to the people that I'm

4139
02:41:54,560 --> 02:41:56,319
representing here tonight. I'm trying to

4140
02:41:56,319 --> 02:41:59,200
understand from a from a safety data or

4141
02:41:59,200 --> 02:42:02,000
metrics perspective how Alpine city

4142
02:42:02,000 --> 02:42:04,800
streets are any more dangerous or

4143
02:42:04,800 --> 02:42:06,880
there's a greater chance for an accident

4144
02:42:06,880 --> 02:42:09,840
in Alpine than there is in Highland.

4145
02:42:09,840 --> 02:42:11,439
>> I don't think that's the thing. I do

4146
02:42:11,439 --> 02:42:14,399
know that golf carts are allowed and

4147
02:42:14,399 --> 02:42:18,399
legal to drive if you um comply. There

4148
02:42:18,399 --> 02:42:22,479
are street legal golf carts. So, you can

4149
02:42:22,479 --> 02:42:24,880
modify your golf carts to have seat

4150
02:42:24,880 --> 02:42:27,760
belts and rearview mirrors and blinkers.

4151
02:42:27,760 --> 02:42:29,439
And I'm trying to think what I had to do

4152
02:42:29,439 --> 02:42:31,520
with my Razor to make it street legal.

4153
02:42:31,520 --> 02:42:34,080
>> It's called a low-speed vehicle, Mayor.

4154
02:42:34,080 --> 02:42:36,560
And the problem is right now is that

4155
02:42:36,560 --> 02:42:39,520
there there is a um dysfunctional

4156
02:42:39,520 --> 02:42:41,439
bureaucratic understanding between the

4157
02:42:41,439 --> 02:42:44,800
language found within department of um

4158
02:42:44,800 --> 02:42:47,200
the highway patrol language that's

4159
02:42:47,200 --> 02:42:50,640
codified and the DMV. One says A, the

4160
02:42:50,640 --> 02:42:53,040
other one says B. There's a difficult

4161
02:42:53,040 --> 02:42:54,720
transition right now to try to get

4162
02:42:54,720 --> 02:42:57,520
through registering a golf cart that

4163
02:42:57,520 --> 02:42:59,520
meets all of the requirements of a

4164
02:42:59,520 --> 02:43:01,760
low-speed vehicle, turn signals and

4165
02:43:01,760 --> 02:43:03,840
everything simply because of the way

4166
02:43:03,840 --> 02:43:05,760
that the title is titled on the golf

4167
02:43:05,760 --> 02:43:06,160
cart.

4168
02:43:06,160 --> 02:43:07,520
>> I did not realize that because I did

4169
02:43:07,520 --> 02:43:09,760
have a friend years ago in Highland who

4170
02:43:09,760 --> 02:43:11,520
did purchase a golf cart and did all

4171
02:43:11,520 --> 02:43:13,520
that was able to get it registered.

4172
02:43:13,520 --> 02:43:15,920
>> It's very it's a very convoluted process

4173
02:43:15,920 --> 02:43:17,600
>> because I appreciate you getting the

4174
02:43:17,600 --> 02:43:19,920
insurance. I think I m Thank you for

4175
02:43:19,920 --> 02:43:21,120
doing that because I feel like it's very

4176
02:43:21,120 --> 02:43:23,359
responsible of you. I do have that

4177
02:43:23,359 --> 02:43:26,000
concern with I don't know if most people

4178
02:43:26,000 --> 02:43:28,160
have gone through that. So I do feel

4179
02:43:28,160 --> 02:43:30,319
like Brent brings up a very valid point.

4180
02:43:30,319 --> 02:43:31,359
I think it's something that we

4181
02:43:31,359 --> 02:43:33,520
definitely need to study more and kind

4182
02:43:33,520 --> 02:43:35,920
of um look into. But I do appreciate all

4183
02:43:35,920 --> 02:43:36,960
your work

4184
02:43:36,960 --> 02:43:38,080
>> much for your time council.

4185
02:43:38,080 --> 02:43:39,840
>> Chief, did you want to come up and just

4186
02:43:39,840 --> 02:43:41,680
make some comments? if you can kind of

4187
02:43:41,680 --> 02:43:43,279
enlighten us [clears throat] what your

4188
02:43:43,279 --> 02:43:45,760
experience has been so far

4189
02:43:45,760 --> 02:43:47,760
>> and if you've seen an increase in the

4190
02:43:47,760 --> 02:43:50,640
use, have you seen a decrease in illegal

4191
02:43:50,640 --> 02:43:53,439
use? You know, things like that.

4192
02:43:53,439 --> 02:43:55,040
>> Thank you, mayor, and and thank you, Mr.

4193
02:43:55,040 --> 02:43:56,960
Himemenz, for your presentation. I I

4194
02:43:56,960 --> 02:44:02,319
appreciate that. Um I am not going to I brought some notes and I'm not going

4195
02:44:02,319 --> 02:44:03,760
to go over them because council member

4196
02:44:03,760 --> 02:44:08,160
Rumbler Rumbler um so eloquently went

4197
02:44:08,160 --> 02:44:09,840
over just about everything that I had

4198
02:44:09,840 --> 02:44:12,080
written down. So I appreciate that. So I

4199
02:44:12,080 --> 02:44:14,000
was just going to echo your comments.

4200
02:44:14,000 --> 02:44:16,640
>> Well, I think it comes from that from

4201
02:44:16,640 --> 02:44:18,000
that perspective and that view. You

4202
02:44:18,000 --> 02:44:20,240
know, the question the first question

4203
02:44:20,240 --> 02:44:22,240
was asked was, you know, what have we

4204
02:44:22,240 --> 02:44:24,720
seen in Highland? It's been about a year

4205
02:44:24,720 --> 02:44:26,960
since they enacted that ordinance. Um,

4206
02:44:26,960 --> 02:44:29,279
we have not seen truthfully any change

4207
02:44:29,279 --> 02:44:31,680
in behavior in Highland. Um, it was

4208
02:44:31,680 --> 02:44:34,720
brought to the council much like it's

4209
02:44:34,720 --> 02:44:37,439
come here with a a handful of residents

4210
02:44:37,439 --> 02:44:39,760
that came to Highland City Council and

4211
02:44:39,760 --> 02:44:42,080
um and they ended up passing the

4212
02:44:42,080 --> 02:44:46,720
ordinance to uh which I um opposed, but

4213
02:44:46,720 --> 02:44:48,319
they they did it and they have that

4214
02:44:48,319 --> 02:44:50,160
right to do that just like you guys do

4215
02:44:50,160 --> 02:44:52,800
also and we enforce it the best that we

4216
02:44:52,800 --> 02:44:56,080
can um in Highland. So, I think the the

4217
02:44:56,080 --> 02:44:58,160
few things that I want to kind of bring

4218
02:44:58,160 --> 02:44:59,920
up about some of the comments that were

4219
02:44:59,920 --> 02:45:06,469
made, um, Council Member Shimuan, you mentioned that

4220
02:45:06,479 --> 02:45:08,960
golf carts will slow the traffic down,

4221
02:45:08,960 --> 02:45:12,720
and that's not been our um, experience

4222
02:45:12,720 --> 02:45:15,120
that actually forces them into the

4223
02:45:15,120 --> 02:45:17,120
oncoming l travel lanes. People don't

4224
02:45:17,120 --> 02:45:19,680
slow down to get behind golf carts and

4225
02:45:19,680 --> 02:45:21,040
wait for them to make their turns or

4226
02:45:21,040 --> 02:45:22,720
wait to get out of the way. they they

4227
02:45:22,720 --> 02:45:24,479
move into the opposite lane of travel

4228
02:45:24,479 --> 02:45:27,520
which which actually is more dangerous

4229
02:45:27,520 --> 02:45:33,600
than than um than you can imagine that creates a traffic hazard. So that's

4230
02:45:33,600 --> 02:45:35,920
our our experience has been that it is

4231
02:45:35,920 --> 02:45:40,399
not um slowed the traffic down. So,

4232
02:45:40,399 --> 02:45:42,080
um,

4233
02:45:42,080 --> 02:45:43,760
when

4234
02:45:43,760 --> 02:45:46,240
Highland enacted their ordinance, before

4235
02:45:46,240 --> 02:45:47,680
they enacted their ordinance, I was

4236
02:45:47,680 --> 02:45:49,920
given the assignment to contact my

4237
02:45:49,920 --> 02:45:51,920
counterparts here in Utah County as well

4238
02:45:51,920 --> 02:45:54,560
as those or agencies that had allowed

4239
02:45:54,560 --> 02:45:56,319
golf carts. One of those that hadn't

4240
02:45:56,319 --> 02:45:58,640
been mentioned is Nephi. They allow golf

4241
02:45:58,640 --> 02:46:02,160
carts as well. And the um the grassroots

4242
02:46:02,160 --> 02:46:04,000
of this started in St. George as you can

4243
02:46:04,000 --> 02:46:06,479
imagine and most of the ordinances and

4244
02:46:06,479 --> 02:46:08,560
much of Highland's ordinance came from

4245
02:46:08,560 --> 02:46:10,800
St. George's ordinance uh with many of

4246
02:46:10,800 --> 02:46:12,880
the restrictions and what's allowed

4247
02:46:12,880 --> 02:46:14,479
what's disallowed. I think what's

4248
02:46:14,479 --> 02:46:16,720
important to know about St. George when

4249
02:46:16,720 --> 02:46:18,080
I called and spoke with the chief down

4250
02:46:18,080 --> 02:46:20,960
there the they allow their golf carts in

4251
02:46:20,960 --> 02:46:24,080
planned developments and so these are

4252
02:46:24,080 --> 02:46:25,760
areas that are around golf courses.

4253
02:46:25,760 --> 02:46:28,800
These are areas that are um where you

4254
02:46:28,800 --> 02:46:30,399
have senior living and they're on

4255
02:46:30,399 --> 02:46:32,000
private roads. As has been mentioned

4256
02:46:32,000 --> 02:46:34,800
before, much of the area of St. George,

4257
02:46:34,800 --> 02:46:36,319
the golf carts are not allowed because

4258
02:46:36,319 --> 02:46:37,680
they're not allowed on roads that are

4259
02:46:37,680 --> 02:46:39,520
more than 25 miles an hour. And that's a

4260
02:46:39,520 --> 02:46:40,800
good, you know, you have a lot of

4261
02:46:40,800 --> 02:46:42,560
arterial roads and collector roads in

4262
02:46:42,560 --> 02:46:44,560
St. George where they're not allowed to

4263
02:46:44,560 --> 02:46:47,359
be ridden. Um

4264
02:46:47,359 --> 02:46:52,160
so it's the the ordinances u do kind of

4265
02:46:52,160 --> 02:46:53,840
mesh all together when you talk to most

4266
02:46:53,840 --> 02:46:55,520
of those cities. When I spoke to the

4267
02:46:55,520 --> 02:46:59,840
cities and my counterparts here in in um

4268
02:46:59,840 --> 02:47:02,479
Utah County, all of them at one point or

4269
02:47:02,479 --> 02:47:04,080
another in the last four or five years

4270
02:47:04,080 --> 02:47:06,240
have had a discussion about golf carts

4271
02:47:06,240 --> 02:47:08,880
and with the exception of now Highland.

4272
02:47:08,880 --> 02:47:11,840
Um I think we're the only one in Utah

4273
02:47:11,840 --> 02:47:13,279
County or they aren't the only ones in

4274
02:47:13,279 --> 02:47:15,040
Utah County that enacted it. They have

4275
02:47:15,040 --> 02:47:17,200
all elected to go away from and not

4276
02:47:17,200 --> 02:47:19,600
allow golf carts for the reasons that

4277
02:47:19,600 --> 02:47:21,279
were mentioned by council member Rumbler

4278
02:47:21,279 --> 02:47:24,640
for safety reasons. Um I

4279
02:47:24,640 --> 02:47:28,800
As was mentioned, I failed I don't I

4280
02:47:28,800 --> 02:47:32,479
fail to see how enacting or codifying

4281
02:47:32,479 --> 02:47:34,720
golf carts

4282
02:47:34,720 --> 02:47:37,200
increases safety of the golf carts. It

4283
02:47:37,200 --> 02:47:39,760
doesn't increase the protection. It

4284
02:47:39,760 --> 02:47:41,359
doesn't increase the visibility. It

4285
02:47:41,359 --> 02:47:44,319
doesn't increase um many of the things

4286
02:47:44,319 --> 02:47:46,399
that have been discussed. And I just I I

4287
02:47:46,399 --> 02:47:48,640
don't see how codifying calls would do

4288
02:47:48,640 --> 02:47:51,600
that. So um those are just some of my

4289
02:47:51,600 --> 02:47:53,279
thoughts initially. I'm happy to answer

4290
02:47:53,279 --> 02:47:55,600
any questions that you might have, but I

4291
02:47:55,600 --> 02:47:57,439
hope that kind of gives you an idea of

4292
02:47:57,439 --> 02:47:59,359
what our experience has been with in in

4293
02:47:59,359 --> 02:47:59,680
so far.

4294
02:47:59,680 --> 02:48:01,439
>> Does anybody have any really quick

4295
02:48:01,439 --> 02:48:02,880
questions for the chief?

4296
02:48:02,880 --> 02:48:05,279
>> Yeah. Uh, thanks chief. Great thoughts.

4297
02:48:05,279 --> 02:48:08,160
Uh, do you have um what my my question

4298
02:48:08,160 --> 02:48:10,720
was since the Highland has been adopted

4299
02:48:10,720 --> 02:48:12,240
and maybe since you've spoken with the

4300
02:48:12,240 --> 02:48:14,960
St. George folks because everyone's

4301
02:48:14,960 --> 02:48:17,120
concerned about safety, are there

4302
02:48:17,120 --> 02:48:18,880
wrecks? Are have there been like a lot

4303
02:48:18,880 --> 02:48:21,760
of tragedies or not really? So, the

4304
02:48:21,760 --> 02:48:23,520
incidents that we do see, and we had one

4305
02:48:23,520 --> 02:48:26,000
happen about 18 months ago right here in

4306
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:27,439
Alpine, I think it was like here at 200

4307
02:48:27,439 --> 02:48:28,960
North in Maine or something like that

4308
02:48:28,960 --> 02:48:31,840
where we had uh some individuals that

4309
02:48:31,840 --> 02:48:34,080
were uh injured while operating a golf

4310
02:48:34,080 --> 02:48:36,080
cart. And so, there are accidents that

4311
02:48:36,080 --> 02:48:38,319
happened. Now, that was just a singular

4312
02:48:38,319 --> 02:48:40,240
my recollection it was just involved,

4313
02:48:40,240 --> 02:48:42,160
>> you know, these are to know

4314
02:48:42,160 --> 02:48:43,920
>> another I don't know if it involved

4315
02:48:43,920 --> 02:48:46,800
another car. Chief, do you remember?

4316
02:48:46,800 --> 02:48:48,000
>> Do you remember, Chief? Was he

4317
02:48:48,000 --> 02:48:49,680
>> I do remember that we ended up taking a

4318
02:48:49,680 --> 02:48:51,439
couple of individuals to the hospital

4319
02:48:51,439 --> 02:48:52,319
that were operating.

4320
02:48:52,319 --> 02:48:53,680
>> Thank you for doing that important work.

4321
02:48:53,680 --> 02:48:55,200
Do you remember if it was an adult or

4322
02:48:55,200 --> 02:48:55,600
was it adult?

4323
02:48:55,600 --> 02:48:56,800
>> No, they were juveniles.

4324
02:48:56,800 --> 02:48:57,359
>> Juveniles.

4325
02:48:57,359 --> 02:48:59,120
>> Yeah. That were operating the golf cart.

4326
02:48:59,120 --> 02:49:02,560
>> Okay. Since Highland has in or made

4327
02:49:02,560 --> 02:49:04,560
their ordinance or St. George, the other

4328
02:49:04,560 --> 02:49:07,040
Ephraim that you know of, do you know if

4329
02:49:07,040 --> 02:49:08,800
they have had

4330
02:49:08,800 --> 02:49:12,000
>> uh what I'm getting at is like I have to

4331
02:49:12,000 --> 02:49:13,760
try new things all the time and I don't

4332
02:49:13,760 --> 02:49:16,160
really know if they are good, but time

4333
02:49:16,160 --> 02:49:18,319
always tells. It always kind of proves

4334
02:49:18,319 --> 02:49:20,000
that was a terrible decision or it was a

4335
02:49:20,000 --> 02:49:21,840
good decision and I try to pivot as

4336
02:49:21,840 --> 02:49:24,000
quick as I can. So I'm trying to learn

4337
02:49:24,000 --> 02:49:26,479
if Highland in the last year since it's

4338
02:49:26,479 --> 02:49:29,840
been legalized if you have any data on

4339
02:49:29,840 --> 02:49:31,680
how many wrecks we've had with golf

4340
02:49:31,680 --> 02:49:32,720
carts.

4341
02:49:32,720 --> 02:49:35,920
>> We I don't have to my recollection and

4342
02:49:35,920 --> 02:49:37,279
I'm sure I would have heard about it

4343
02:49:37,279 --> 02:49:39,279
that we have not had an accident that

4344
02:49:39,279 --> 02:49:41,520
has involved a golf cart in the last 12

4345
02:49:41,520 --> 02:49:44,479
months. And so to answer your question,

4346
02:49:44,479 --> 02:49:46,560
no. in Highland. We've not experienced

4347
02:49:46,560 --> 02:49:48,640
that. I've seen news reports and heard

4348
02:49:48,640 --> 02:49:51,840
from other uh counterparts across the

4349
02:49:51,840 --> 02:49:54,080
state and other jurisdictions. They have

4350
02:49:54,080 --> 02:49:56,720
had incidents involving golf carts.

4351
02:49:56,720 --> 02:49:58,000
>> No, we don't want that.

4352
02:49:58,000 --> 02:49:59,840
>> Has it decrease the instances of

4353
02:49:59,840 --> 02:50:01,920
juveniles driving golf carts?

4354
02:50:01,920 --> 02:50:02,960
>> That's a great question.

4355
02:50:02,960 --> 02:50:04,800
>> No, we haven't seen a change in

4356
02:50:04,800 --> 02:50:05,840
behavior.

4357
02:50:05,840 --> 02:50:08,720
>> So, not an increase, but not a decrease

4358
02:50:08,720 --> 02:50:10,000
either then. Correct.

4359
02:50:10,000 --> 02:50:10,960
>> Correct. And

4360
02:50:10,960 --> 02:50:12,880
>> again I'll I'll just suppose again this

4361
02:50:12,880 --> 02:50:14,960
is just a supposition that once they're

4362
02:50:14,960 --> 02:50:16,880
legal there'll be great more incidents

4363
02:50:16,880 --> 02:50:19,840
of of that happening now it's bound to

4364
02:50:19,840 --> 02:50:20,240
happen.

4365
02:50:20,240 --> 02:50:22,720
>> Now just last to wrap up the the

4366
02:50:22,720 --> 02:50:25,840
clarification is that in this ordinance

4367
02:50:25,840 --> 02:50:28,960
we would assuming well which is my next

4368
02:50:28,960 --> 02:50:30,800
question in this ordinance we would not

4369
02:50:30,800 --> 02:50:33,439
allow anyone older I'm sorry younger

4370
02:50:33,439 --> 02:50:37,040
than 18 to operate a golf cart. So, we

4371
02:50:37,040 --> 02:50:40,240
would make it illegal assuming we made

4372
02:50:40,240 --> 02:50:43,200
an ordinance that's in there now. Uh,

4373
02:50:43,200 --> 02:50:45,439
>> but it's already illegal. So, it's I

4374
02:50:45,439 --> 02:50:46,080
mean,

4375
02:50:46,080 --> 02:50:46,960
>> well, right, but

4376
02:50:46,960 --> 02:50:48,399
>> they're still going to do it. That's the

4377
02:50:48,399 --> 02:50:48,960
problem.

4378
02:50:48,960 --> 02:50:50,880
>> That's already in state code. So,

4379
02:50:50,880 --> 02:50:52,080
>> okay. Uh,

4380
02:50:52,080 --> 02:50:54,319
>> so it is codified. It's illegal to ride

4381
02:50:54,319 --> 02:50:55,040
drive.

4382
02:50:55,040 --> 02:50:56,640
>> So, final question. Final question to

4383
02:50:56,640 --> 02:50:58,000
It's more to the council. Thank you,

4384
02:50:58,000 --> 02:50:59,760
Chief. Amazing work. And thank you for

4385
02:50:59,760 --> 02:51:02,880
the help at uh um the middle school

4386
02:51:02,880 --> 02:51:07,439
today at Massive. Um, would you be open

4387
02:51:07,439 --> 02:51:10,399
counsel for him to write up something

4388
02:51:10,399 --> 02:51:12,720
for you to look at or do you not want to

4389
02:51:12,720 --> 02:51:26,630
even look at something?

4390
02:51:26,640 --> 02:51:38,309
But we've got right now.

4391
02:51:38,319 --> 02:51:39,760
» Okay. So, should

4392
02:51:39,760 --> 02:51:42,080
>> I did have one quick question?

4393
02:51:42,080 --> 02:51:44,720
>> I would like to hear more from the

4394
02:51:44,720 --> 02:51:45,920
public first.

4395
02:51:45,920 --> 02:51:47,120
>> Okay.

4396
02:51:47,120 --> 02:51:48,800
>> So, I think yeah, we'll need to wait and

4397
02:51:48,800 --> 02:51:49,120
see.

4398
02:51:49,120 --> 02:51:50,319
>> Want to hear more on the public?

4399
02:51:50,319 --> 02:51:52,560
probably with the survey that's going on

4400
02:51:52,560 --> 02:51:56,160
with the um parks master plan. Um maybe

4401
02:51:56,160 --> 02:51:58,160
get preliminary information from that

4402
02:51:58,160 --> 02:52:00,640
and then um I think we this is a good

4403
02:52:00,640 --> 02:52:02,000
template if they're going to move

4404
02:52:02,000 --> 02:52:03,200
forward and then you guys can decide

4405
02:52:03,200 --> 02:52:05,120
whether you want to vote for against it.

4406
02:52:05,120 --> 02:52:06,640
Does anybody else have a question for

4407
02:52:06,640 --> 02:52:07,600
the chief? Yes.

4408
02:52:07,600 --> 02:52:08,640
>> Oh, not for the chief. I just

4409
02:52:08,640 --> 02:52:10,160
>> for the just for the chief.

4410
02:52:10,160 --> 02:52:11,600
>> I have a question for the chief. I do.

4411
02:52:11,600 --> 02:52:13,359
>> Oh, yeah. And so does Sarah. Okay, go

4412
02:52:13,359 --> 02:52:15,359
ahead. Okay, let's go and then you can

4413
02:52:15,359 --> 02:52:16,640
>> I guess maybe you can tell me if I need

4414
02:52:16,640 --> 02:52:18,080
to just go home and do my own research,

4415
02:52:18,080 --> 02:52:20,479
but like razors are allowed are street

4416
02:52:20,479 --> 02:52:22,720
legal and are allowed on city streets.

4417
02:52:22,720 --> 02:52:24,800
>> So you're talking about the sidebyside

4418
02:52:24,800 --> 02:52:27,840
razors like the canams. So if they are

4419
02:52:27,840 --> 02:52:30,240
registered with the state and they have

4420
02:52:30,240 --> 02:52:32,560
all the safety equipment, they are

4421
02:52:32,560 --> 02:52:33,279
legal.

4422
02:52:33,279 --> 02:52:34,800
>> So you have to have insurance and you

4423
02:52:34,800 --> 02:52:35,279
have to have

4424
02:52:35,279 --> 02:52:36,560
>> just like just like a car. They've got

4425
02:52:36,560 --> 02:52:38,160
to have seat belts, turn signals,

4426
02:52:38,160 --> 02:52:40,640
headlights, tail lights, brake lights,

4427
02:52:40,640 --> 02:52:41,760
everything that you would have in your

4428
02:52:41,760 --> 02:52:44,880
regular vehicle. And it if it does have

4429
02:52:44,880 --> 02:52:46,960
a license plate on it, we as officers

4430
02:52:46,960 --> 02:52:48,720
assume that all of that's been taken

4431
02:52:48,720 --> 02:52:49,359
care of.

4432
02:52:49,359 --> 02:52:50,800
>> And while they don't have airbags, they

4433
02:52:50,800 --> 02:52:52,800
do have significant rollover in accident

4434
02:52:52,800 --> 02:52:53,680
protection.

4435
02:52:53,680 --> 02:52:55,439
>> Yeah, that was my follow-up question is

4436
02:52:55,439 --> 02:52:57,520
like can you speak to the the difference

4437
02:52:57,520 --> 02:53:01,200
in safety or um regulations for golfers

4438
02:53:01,200 --> 02:53:02,000
versus those?

4439
02:53:02,000 --> 02:53:06,000
>> Yeah. So, the there are oxy we're we're

4440
02:53:06,000 --> 02:53:08,000
dealing with a combustion engine which m

4441
02:53:08,000 --> 02:53:10,720
can maintain higher rates of speed. One

4442
02:53:10,720 --> 02:53:14,240
of the biggest um issues with the golf

4443
02:53:14,240 --> 02:53:18,000
carts is they impede traffic and they're

4444
02:53:18,000 --> 02:53:20,720
not um they they can't maintain the flow

4445
02:53:20,720 --> 02:53:23,359
of traffic and so they they they impede

4446
02:53:23,359 --> 02:53:25,359
traffic and and and again we we talked

4447
02:53:25,359 --> 02:53:26,880
about vehicles going around them into

4448
02:53:26,880 --> 02:53:29,359
the opposite lane of travel. The state

4449
02:53:29,359 --> 02:53:32,720
and in its wisdom has this was probably

4450
02:53:32,720 --> 02:53:34,960
some two decades ago that they started

4451
02:53:34,960 --> 02:53:39,120
to allow those to be registered. Um

4452
02:53:39,120 --> 02:53:40,720
the difference Again, the difference

4453
02:53:40,720 --> 02:53:42,080
being we're talking about a combustion

4454
02:53:42,080 --> 02:53:43,680
engine that can keep with the flow of

4455
02:53:43,680 --> 02:53:45,120
traffic and that does have additional

4456
02:53:45,120 --> 02:53:47,520
safety features that most golf carts do

4457
02:53:47,520 --> 02:53:49,279
not.

4458
02:53:49,279 --> 02:53:52,479
>> We had one for a hot second and when we

4459
02:53:52,479 --> 02:53:54,479
did um you had to get all the

4460
02:53:54,479 --> 02:53:57,520
conversions done um and then when you

4461
02:53:57,520 --> 02:53:59,680
get licensed they check they have a

4462
02:53:59,680 --> 02:54:00,800
checklist of all the things that you

4463
02:54:00,800 --> 02:54:02,640
need and you need proof of insurance on

4464
02:54:02,640 --> 02:54:03,600
top of it.

4465
02:54:03,600 --> 02:54:05,040
>> And so it would be like you're

4466
02:54:05,040 --> 02:54:07,040
registering a car.

4467
02:54:07,040 --> 02:54:09,200
>> Yeah. I guess I guess I ask that just

4468
02:54:09,200 --> 02:54:11,680
because like with the sirons and those

4469
02:54:11,680 --> 02:54:13,680
and golf carts like I'm trying to see

4470
02:54:13,680 --> 02:54:16,319
like if we allow some why don't we allow

4471
02:54:16,319 --> 02:54:19,200
but I I I get your point that different

4472
02:54:19,200 --> 02:54:21,279
engines different safety features that

4473
02:54:21,279 --> 02:54:23,600
sort of thing.

4474
02:54:23,600 --> 02:54:26,640
Um, sorry. I'm thinking of one specific

4475
02:54:26,640 --> 02:54:28,319
community member and I don't want to

4476
02:54:28,319 --> 02:54:30,319
tattle that they go around with a golf

4477
02:54:30,319 --> 02:54:32,640
cart because they have a a child that is

4478
02:54:32,640 --> 02:54:37,439
ADA issues and so in our compilation and

4479
02:54:37,439 --> 02:54:39,600
research, could we just see if there's a

4480
02:54:39,600 --> 02:54:41,760
way to be flexible for those that have

4481
02:54:41,760 --> 02:54:43,840
special needs? That's my only request.

4482
02:54:43,840 --> 02:54:45,520
And if you had any insight to share on

4483
02:54:45,520 --> 02:54:48,080
that, you know that I have to be careful

4484
02:54:48,080 --> 02:54:50,880
how I answer this. Um, each officer has

4485
02:54:50,880 --> 02:54:53,760
their discretion when they

4486
02:54:53,760 --> 02:54:55,359
contact an individual that might be

4487
02:54:55,359 --> 02:54:57,200
violating a traffic law. We'll just put

4488
02:54:57,200 --> 02:55:03,040
it that way. Um most times um they can

4489
02:55:03,040 --> 02:55:04,800
they're better decision makers than we

4490
02:55:04,800 --> 02:55:06,399
give them credit for sometimes and

4491
02:55:06,399 --> 02:55:08,240
sometimes that's allowed and

4492
02:55:08,240 --> 02:55:11,920
circumstances are as such to to allow

4493
02:55:11,920 --> 02:55:14,479
that person to either get the vehicle

4494
02:55:14,479 --> 02:55:16,319
home or continue what they're doing as

4495
02:55:16,319 --> 02:55:19,680
long as it's within a short time frame

4496
02:55:19,680 --> 02:55:21,279
or time period. You know, obviously

4497
02:55:21,279 --> 02:55:24,399
during Alpine days, we just turn a blind

4498
02:55:24,399 --> 02:55:26,080
eye because they're everywhere and it's,

4499
02:55:26,080 --> 02:55:27,520
you know, we're we're in a community

4500
02:55:27,520 --> 02:55:29,680
event and so it's it's not something

4501
02:55:29,680 --> 02:55:34,150
that we're really worried about then.

4502
02:55:34,160 --> 02:55:35,520
Yeah. I hope that

4503
02:55:35,520 --> 02:55:36,720
>> Thank you. So, you're saying that we use

4504
02:55:36,720 --> 02:55:38,479
discretion as circumstances allow.

4505
02:55:38,479 --> 02:55:38,880
>> Correct.

4506
02:55:38,880 --> 02:55:42,960
>> I appreciate that. Thank you,

4507
02:55:42,960 --> 02:55:44,960
>> Mayor. Um, one thing I just learned in

4508
02:55:44,960 --> 02:55:49,200
the last couple days, uh, HP 381,

4509
02:55:49,200 --> 02:55:51,840
uh, takes effect, I think part of it May

4510
02:55:51,840 --> 02:55:54,640
6th and then part of it in 2027.

4511
02:55:54,640 --> 02:55:55,359
>> This the ebike

4512
02:55:55,359 --> 02:55:58,399
>> with ebikes, more regulations

4513
02:55:58,399 --> 02:56:00,160
requiring helmets and a bunch of

4514
02:56:00,160 --> 02:56:01,279
different things. And even a

4515
02:56:01,279 --> 02:56:04,240
certification, I think that's the 2027,

4516
02:56:04,240 --> 02:56:05,439
>> right? We work with Representative

4517
02:56:05,439 --> 02:56:07,680
Cutler on this bill and it didn't go as

4518
02:56:07,680 --> 02:56:09,760
far as we'd like, but it we're taking us

4519
02:56:09,760 --> 02:56:11,600
a bite at the apple. We're trying to eat

4520
02:56:11,600 --> 02:56:13,120
this elephant. you guys know the

4521
02:56:13,120 --> 02:56:15,680
problems that we have with with ebikes

4522
02:56:15,680 --> 02:56:19,439
and I'm pretty quiet.

4523
02:56:19,439 --> 02:56:21,920
>> So, since I'm the petitioner on this,

4524
02:56:21,920 --> 02:56:24,640
um, is there any direction you can give

4525
02:56:24,640 --> 02:56:27,359
me or anyone of what steps you'd like to

4526
02:56:27,359 --> 02:56:30,319
take, if any, for moving forward?

4527
02:56:30,319 --> 02:56:33,520
>> So, I believe we heard that we want more

4528
02:56:33,520 --> 02:56:35,040
>> public

4529
02:56:35,040 --> 02:56:36,800
that. Is there anything else anyone

4530
02:56:36,800 --> 02:56:41,200
wants that would be helpful or or it can

4531
02:56:41,200 --> 02:56:42,640
it doesn't you don't have to if it's

4532
02:56:42,640 --> 02:56:45,040
just plain no but I'll get I'll try to

4533
02:56:45,040 --> 02:56:46,720
get more public input

4534
02:56:46,720 --> 02:56:48,640
>> Sarah or Chrissy or Brent

4535
02:56:48,640 --> 02:56:49,760
>> would you like anything

4536
02:56:49,760 --> 02:56:51,840
>> nothing else I I in the email I sent to

4537
02:56:51,840 --> 02:56:53,680
you to kind of this

4538
02:56:53,680 --> 02:56:56,240
>> Thank you. I do have some suggestions on

4539
02:56:56,240 --> 02:56:58,319
the ordinance if there's an appetite for

4540
02:56:58,319 --> 02:57:00,240
this. I don't I would I

4541
02:57:00,240 --> 02:57:03,200
>> something would be significantly have be

4542
02:57:03,200 --> 02:57:05,520
there' have to be a significant element

4543
02:57:05,520 --> 02:57:06,800
that I'm not considering that would make

4544
02:57:06,800 --> 02:57:08,560
me change my mind. I'm in line with what

4545
02:57:08,560 --> 02:57:09,200
the police

4546
02:57:09,200 --> 02:57:12,737
>> supply is like gone and have no access

4547
02:57:12,737 --> 02:57:14,640
[laughter] have no access to petroleum.

4548
02:57:14,640 --> 02:57:15,040
That's

4549
02:57:15,040 --> 02:57:16,960
>> I love golf carts. I love to golf play

4550
02:57:16,960 --> 02:57:19,120
golf and I love to run on the

4551
02:57:19,120 --> 02:57:20,800
>> So I can get some public input. Is there

4552
02:57:20,800 --> 02:57:22,880
anything else from Sarah or Chrissy or

4553
02:57:22,880 --> 02:57:24,240
the mayor or staff?

4554
02:57:24,240 --> 02:57:26,319
>> So, yeah, the direction would be I don't

4555
02:57:26,319 --> 02:57:27,920
want you specifically to get public

4556
02:57:27,920 --> 02:57:31,040
input. I want it from a third party.

4557
02:57:31,040 --> 02:57:33,040
>> That's we want the survey.

4558
02:57:33,040 --> 02:57:34,560
>> And can I ask that's actually my

4559
02:57:34,560 --> 02:57:36,720
question. Could I get you to email me

4560
02:57:36,720 --> 02:57:38,880
really what you want? What information

4561
02:57:38,880 --> 02:57:40,800
would help you make this decision? Can't

4562
02:57:40,800 --> 02:57:43,680
be just do you want golf carts? You

4563
02:57:43,680 --> 02:57:46,560
know, it has to be like what would help

4564
02:57:46,560 --> 02:57:48,800
you make a decision. Okay, so kind of

4565
02:57:48,800 --> 02:57:50,640
give think about that. so that we can

4566
02:57:50,640 --> 02:57:52,720
ask the right question to get the

4567
02:57:52,720 --> 02:57:54,960
information you need. Okay.

4568
02:57:54,960 --> 02:57:56,640
>> Maybe something alongside considering

4569
02:57:56,640 --> 02:57:59,439
the safety considering the safety issues

4570
02:57:59,439 --> 02:58:00,960
of

4571
02:58:00,960 --> 02:58:02,560
>> Okay, that's totally

4572
02:58:02,560 --> 02:58:03,760
>> You can't just say, "Do you want Are you

4573
02:58:03,760 --> 02:58:04,880
okay with golf carts?" Because they

4574
02:58:04,880 --> 02:58:07,120
don't understand. No one's going to look

4575
02:58:07,120 --> 02:58:07,600
at that.

4576
02:58:07,600 --> 02:58:09,200
>> No, I think it'll have to be one

4577
02:58:09,200 --> 02:58:10,960
question. I think it'll be a series, you

4578
02:58:10,960 --> 02:58:12,319
know, but I think we'll have to think

4579
02:58:12,319 --> 02:58:13,760
about it. Yes, we'll see.

4580
02:58:13,760 --> 02:58:15,520
>> Heidi, do you know when you need that by

4581
02:58:15,520 --> 02:58:17,600
just so you

4582
02:58:17,600 --> 02:58:20,640
>> I would for Heidi I would probably say

4583
02:58:20,640 --> 02:58:22,560
tomorrow if possible because then she

4584
02:58:22,560 --> 02:58:23,680
has to kind of

4585
02:58:23,680 --> 02:58:25,600
>> retool it, pull it together and then get

4586
02:58:25,600 --> 02:58:26,880
it to our consultant.

4587
02:58:26,880 --> 02:58:29,120
>> Is that a fair step for everyone?

4588
02:58:29,120 --> 02:58:32,000
>> So this is not

4589
02:58:32,000 --> 02:58:33,439
>> I don't want this to sound like it's

4590
02:58:33,439 --> 02:58:35,920
reflective of my op my position on on

4591
02:58:35,920 --> 02:58:37,920
the on the topic, but no, just

4592
02:58:37,920 --> 02:58:38,479
gathering.

4593
02:58:38,479 --> 02:58:41,279
>> You know what? So Kaden and um Heidi,

4594
02:58:41,279 --> 02:58:43,760
you guys know what we want. If you guys

4595
02:58:43,760 --> 02:58:46,080
can work on some questions, I I would

4596
02:58:46,080 --> 02:58:47,840
much rather you guys work it than any

4597
02:58:47,840 --> 02:58:52,000
because everyone kind of has an opinion.

4598
02:58:52,000 --> 02:58:54,319
>> How does it fit with a a park master

4599
02:58:54,319 --> 02:58:55,600
plan survey?

4600
02:58:55,600 --> 02:58:58,319
>> It doesn't, but it's a way for us to get

4601
02:58:58,319 --> 02:58:59,760
information. I guess we could do

4602
02:58:59,760 --> 02:59:00,960
>> I don't want to have a mixed message of

4603
02:59:00,960 --> 02:59:02,479
we're going to have golf carts in parks

4604
02:59:02,479 --> 02:59:03,359
because that's what

4605
02:59:03,359 --> 02:59:05,120
>> I don't know if I don't know if we want

4606
02:59:05,120 --> 02:59:06,560
to dilute

4607
02:59:06,560 --> 02:59:08,080
>> like we could throw in a lot of things

4608
02:59:08,080 --> 02:59:08,720
in there.

4609
02:59:08,720 --> 02:59:10,240
>> So I guess maybe what we can do

4610
02:59:10,240 --> 02:59:12,640
>> in favor of adding master plan

4611
02:59:12,640 --> 02:59:16,800
>> write a survey regarding that maybe you

4612
02:59:16,800 --> 02:59:18,399
know just a little maybe three to five

4613
02:59:18,399 --> 02:59:20,479
question survey and we can put it out on

4614
02:59:20,479 --> 02:59:22,640
social media but let's take our time.

4615
02:59:22,640 --> 02:59:24,560
Let's not rush it. Let's make sure that

4616
02:59:24,560 --> 02:59:27,760
um the questions are um will be

4617
02:59:27,760 --> 02:59:29,359
statistically sound. I don't want any

4618
02:59:29,359 --> 02:59:32,399
leading questions. They have to be very

4619
02:59:32,399 --> 02:59:33,279
I know who

4620
02:59:33,279 --> 02:59:34,640
>> but they have to be

4621
02:59:34,640 --> 02:59:36,800
>> they have to be uh

4622
02:59:36,800 --> 02:59:38,000
>> comprehensive.

4623
02:59:38,000 --> 02:59:39,439
>> They do. That's why I'm saying let's

4624
02:59:39,439 --> 02:59:41,200
have three to five questions and they'll

4625
02:59:41,200 --> 02:59:43,600
it'll be a chain of you know

4626
02:59:43,600 --> 02:59:44,479
>> we're not going to do it in

4627
02:59:44,479 --> 02:59:46,080
>> the longer the questions the less likely

4628
02:59:46,080 --> 02:59:48,160
people will finish it. So I'm opposed.

4629
02:59:48,160 --> 02:59:51,040
>> Three to five questions.

4630
02:59:51,040 --> 02:59:52,720
>> Okay. But not in the parks master plan

4631
02:59:52,720 --> 02:59:53,040
survey.

4632
02:59:53,040 --> 02:59:54,960
>> So between you and Kaden,

4633
02:59:54,960 --> 02:59:56,720
>> everyone else stay out of it. They are

4634
02:59:56,720 --> 02:59:58,880
going to do it. They know they know the

4635
02:59:58,880 --> 03:00:01,520
information that we need and want is you

4636
03:00:01,520 --> 03:00:03,120
know what does our public think about

4637
03:00:03,120 --> 03:00:04,880
that and what is their safety concern?

4638
03:00:04,880 --> 03:00:07,120
Whatever it may be, they will work on

4639
03:00:07,120 --> 03:00:07,680
it.

4640
03:00:07,680 --> 03:00:08,080
>> Okay.

4641
03:00:08,080 --> 03:00:10,319
>> Um they have resources other cities

4642
03:00:10,319 --> 03:00:12,000
mainly. [laughter]

4643
03:00:12,000 --> 03:00:13,920
Well, based on what you find out, feel

4644
03:00:13,920 --> 03:00:15,200
free to send us the

4645
03:00:15,200 --> 03:00:16,640
>> mayor. I'd like to make a motion to

4646
03:00:16,640 --> 03:00:18,720
close the meeting and table the

4647
03:00:18,720 --> 03:00:21,279
>> discussion. Considering it's 9:00,

4648
03:00:21,279 --> 03:00:22,399
>> we have to have the budget.

4649
03:00:22,399 --> 03:00:23,840
>> I make a motion.

4650
03:00:23,840 --> 03:00:24,720
>> Any seconds?

4651
03:00:24,720 --> 03:00:26,240
>> There's a mo There's a motion to close

4652
03:00:26,240 --> 03:00:26,720
the meeting.

4653
03:00:26,720 --> 03:00:28,479
>> You mean to adjourn the meeting or to

4654
03:00:28,479 --> 03:00:29,279
close the meeting?

4655
03:00:29,279 --> 03:00:29,920
>> No, she wants to.

4656
03:00:29,920 --> 03:00:32,000
>> What's the difference? Oh, adjourn. Do

4657
03:00:32,000 --> 03:00:33,120
we have to go to close session?

4658
03:00:33,120 --> 03:00:34,880
>> If you go into a closed meeting, that's

4659
03:00:34,880 --> 03:00:36,720
different from adjourning. You mean

4660
03:00:36,720 --> 03:00:37,840
adjourn the meeting?

4661
03:00:37,840 --> 03:00:39,279
>> Well, are we going to close session

4662
03:00:39,279 --> 03:00:39,760
tonight?

4663
03:00:39,760 --> 03:00:41,680
>> No. Okay, then adjourn the meeting. I

4664
03:00:41,680 --> 03:00:43,120
>> think we are.

4665
03:00:43,120 --> 03:00:44,160
>> Yeah, we're going the closest.

4666
03:00:44,160 --> 03:00:45,279
>> If you want that.

4667
03:00:45,279 --> 03:00:48,080
>> Oh, goodness.

4668
03:00:48,080 --> 03:00:50,160
>> There are like three land issues.

4669
03:00:50,160 --> 03:00:51,439
>> Yeah, we got to wait until we get a

4670
03:00:51,439 --> 03:00:51,840
proposal.

4671
03:00:51,840 --> 03:00:53,760
>> All right. Okay. I make a motion. I'm

4672
03:00:53,760 --> 03:00:55,760
going to withdraw the motion. I make a

4673
03:00:55,760 --> 03:00:58,160
motion to uh end the public portion of

4674
03:00:58,160 --> 03:01:00,720
the meeting by 9:30.

4675
03:01:00,720 --> 03:01:02,000
Any seconds?

4676
03:01:02,000 --> 03:01:04,560
>> Is there a second?

4677
03:01:04,560 --> 03:01:06,240
>> You think we can do it in 27 minutes?

4678
03:01:06,240 --> 03:01:08,640
>> Is there a second? Okay, it's been moved

4679
03:01:08,640 --> 03:01:11,600
and seconded to um prolong the meeting

4680
03:01:11,600 --> 03:01:14,240
till 9:30 tonight. Let's proceed with

4681
03:01:14,240 --> 03:01:15,680
the roll call vote.

4682
03:01:15,680 --> 03:01:17,120
>> The public portion of the meeting.

4683
03:01:17,120 --> 03:01:20,080
>> Um Andrew Young, no.

4684
03:01:20,080 --> 03:01:21,439
>> Brent Ramble, yes.

4685
03:01:21,439 --> 03:01:23,840
>> Jessica Cassian, no.

4686
03:01:23,840 --> 03:01:25,120
>> Senator Blackwell, yes.

4687
03:01:25,120 --> 03:01:26,319
>> Chrissy Hanaman, yes.

4688
03:01:26,319 --> 03:01:28,560
>> Okay, motion passes. Let's move on to

4689
03:01:28,560 --> 03:01:31,200
budget overview.

4690
03:01:31,200 --> 03:01:33,040
>> The golf cart took much longer than I

4691
03:01:33,040 --> 03:01:34,960
thought it would. It did.

4692
03:01:34,960 --> 03:01:37,840
Okay. So, wanted to just go over kind of

4693
03:01:37,840 --> 03:01:41,520
some highlights of this upcoming budget.

4694
03:01:41,520 --> 03:01:44,720
Um, first like to talk about the revenue

4695
03:01:44,720 --> 03:01:46,800
projections. Um, the first one, one of

4696
03:01:46,800 --> 03:01:49,840
our main two is property tax. Um, I

4697
03:01:49,840 --> 03:01:52,479
included some information in here uh for

4698
03:01:52,479 --> 03:01:55,279
the last six years, I guess, just to

4699
03:01:55,279 --> 03:01:58,000
kind of show you what increase in

4700
03:01:58,000 --> 03:02:00,319
property tax revenue we have received.

4701
03:02:00,319 --> 03:02:02,720
And then also I I think this historical

4702
03:02:02,720 --> 03:02:05,439
property tax data graph is kind of

4703
03:02:05,439 --> 03:02:08,640
interesting showing how values are going

4704
03:02:08,640 --> 03:02:11,520
up but our our rate is going down and

4705
03:02:11,520 --> 03:02:14,240
going down quite a bit but you pay the

4706
03:02:14,240 --> 03:02:16,000
same because that's how our system

4707
03:02:16,000 --> 03:02:17,600
works.

4708
03:02:17,600 --> 03:02:21,840
Um so what we're anticipating is about

4709
03:02:21,840 --> 03:02:25,600
an additional 45 uh,000 in added

4710
03:02:25,600 --> 03:02:28,399
property tax revenue. um that would be

4711
03:02:28,399 --> 03:02:30,319
consistent with what we've seen with

4712
03:02:30,319 --> 03:02:32,319
kind of the number of homes that are

4713
03:02:32,319 --> 03:02:35,120
being built right now. Um so there is

4714
03:02:35,120 --> 03:02:38,240
not a property tax increase proposed in

4715
03:02:38,240 --> 03:02:43,200
this budget. Uh sales tax uh revenue uh

4716
03:02:43,200 --> 03:02:45,359
currently we just got our distribution

4717
03:02:45,359 --> 03:02:47,920
last week. So that's the eighth one of

4718
03:02:47,920 --> 03:02:50,880
the budget year. We have four more left.

4719
03:02:50,880 --> 03:02:55,680
Um, right now we're 5.35%

4720
03:02:55,680 --> 03:02:59,359
uh in the positive year-over-year.

4721
03:02:59,359 --> 03:03:02,560
Um, we for this current budget year, we

4722
03:03:02,560 --> 03:03:08,000
budgeted 2.1 million. Um, FY25 actual

4723
03:03:08,000 --> 03:03:10,640
was 2.2.

4724
03:03:10,640 --> 03:03:12,640
You know, you get worried it's up and

4725
03:03:12,640 --> 03:03:14,640
down. One month it's negative. So, we've

4726
03:03:14,640 --> 03:03:18,240
kind of kept that relatively flat.

4727
03:03:18,240 --> 03:03:20,080
Um,

4728
03:03:20,080 --> 03:03:23,840
for this budget year, um, based on the

4729
03:03:23,840 --> 03:03:26,160
last couple years, we're comfortable

4730
03:03:26,160 --> 03:03:29,200
with an increase of 50,000 in our

4731
03:03:29,200 --> 03:03:31,840
budget, which we should meet that um,

4732
03:03:31,840 --> 03:03:36,240
based on the past trends. Um, but I I'm

4733
03:03:36,240 --> 03:03:37,920
not too comfortable getting super

4734
03:03:37,920 --> 03:03:40,319
aggressive in that area with increases,

4735
03:03:40,319 --> 03:03:44,319
but um, that should be attainable.

4736
03:03:44,319 --> 03:03:48,160
um park tax, uh it really follows the

4737
03:03:48,160 --> 03:03:50,640
sales tax, but

4738
03:03:50,640 --> 03:03:53,279
it's not one we're relying on for

4739
03:03:53,279 --> 03:03:55,359
general operations or anything. So, I

4740
03:03:55,359 --> 03:03:56,800
don't really see a harm in just leaving

4741
03:03:56,800 --> 03:04:00,720
it flat at 100,000. And if 110 comes in

4742
03:04:00,720 --> 03:04:03,439
or 15 or whatever, um unless we have

4743
03:04:03,439 --> 03:04:05,439
some big project or decide to bond

4744
03:04:05,439 --> 03:04:09,279
against uh park tax,

4745
03:04:09,279 --> 03:04:12,399
um that one's not critical. It can kind

4746
03:04:12,399 --> 03:04:16,160
of go up or down. Uh these next three

4747
03:04:16,160 --> 03:04:19,920
are all restricted for roads and they're

4748
03:04:19,920 --> 03:04:22,319
all separate line items in our financial

4749
03:04:22,319 --> 03:04:24,560
report, but the funds are in the same

4750
03:04:24,560 --> 03:04:27,359
fund. And so that's why the last bullet

4751
03:04:27,359 --> 03:04:29,439
point of each

4752
03:04:29,439 --> 03:04:31,680
um of these three sections, class C,

4753
03:04:31,680 --> 03:04:34,240
mass transit, and public transit, uh

4754
03:04:34,240 --> 03:04:37,520
that that fund balance is the same. Um,

4755
03:04:37,520 --> 03:04:39,520
but we

4756
03:04:39,520 --> 03:04:42,080
anticipate like a final revenue of about

4757
03:04:42,080 --> 03:04:46,960
550,000 this year. Um,

4758
03:04:46,960 --> 03:04:50,640
again, it's gas tax. Gas prices are up.

4759
03:04:50,640 --> 03:04:54,080
It could go down. So, we're we're

4760
03:04:54,080 --> 03:04:56,080
recommending to just hold that flat at

4761
03:04:56,080 --> 03:04:58,720
525,000.

4762
03:04:58,720 --> 03:05:03,200
Um, same with uh Mass Transit and the

4763
03:05:03,200 --> 03:05:08,000
Pike Transit at 195 and

4764
03:05:08,000 --> 03:05:10,479
80,000.

4765
03:05:10,479 --> 03:05:12,160
Um, [clears throat and cough] some other

4766
03:05:12,160 --> 03:05:15,120
general fund items.

4767
03:05:15,120 --> 03:05:17,760
Uh, Lone Peak Public Safety District, we

4768
03:05:17,760 --> 03:05:20,560
went over that in quite a bit of detail.

4769
03:05:20,560 --> 03:05:23,359
Um, just explain these bullet points,

4770
03:05:23,359 --> 03:05:25,439
make sure there's no confusion. Um,

4771
03:05:25,439 --> 03:05:31,120
we'll see a 14.4% 4% increase or 455,000

4772
03:05:31,120 --> 03:05:35,279
and some change uh for this year. Um a

4773
03:05:35,279 --> 03:05:36,800
lot of that's due to the change in the

4774
03:05:36,800 --> 03:05:39,359
formula and then a uh a few other things

4775
03:05:39,359 --> 03:05:42,399
like an added position and and some

4776
03:05:42,399 --> 03:05:45,279
other things like that. Um this that

4777
03:05:45,279 --> 03:05:47,200
increase and that percent does not

4778
03:05:47,200 --> 03:05:49,920
account for the 50% that we'll get back

4779
03:05:49,920 --> 03:05:54,560
for this coming budget year. But to plan

4780
03:05:54,560 --> 03:05:56,640
for future, I'm putting that number in

4781
03:05:56,640 --> 03:05:58,880
there so we know what we're expecting in

4782
03:05:58,880 --> 03:06:02,160
the future year plus any increase.

4783
03:06:02,160 --> 03:06:04,720
Um, so we'll based on the budget the way

4784
03:06:04,720 --> 03:06:06,560
it was approved and there will be some

4785
03:06:06,560 --> 03:06:09,120
little tweaks I'm sure uh the city would

4786
03:06:09,120 --> 03:06:12,319
be receiving about uh just over 140,000

4787
03:06:12,319 --> 03:06:15,359
back from the district uh for that 50%

4788
03:06:15,359 --> 03:06:17,200
step in

4789
03:06:17,200 --> 03:06:20,560
um wage increases. The city's never done

4790
03:06:20,560 --> 03:06:24,160
had an independent wage study done to my

4791
03:06:24,160 --> 03:06:27,920
knowledge. Um there's a firm that uh

4792
03:06:27,920 --> 03:06:31,359
does this for a lot of the cities and so

4793
03:06:31,359 --> 03:06:34,319
I talked to the mayor. We paired some

4794
03:06:34,319 --> 03:06:38,080
things off of this and that's that's in

4795
03:06:38,080 --> 03:06:41,120
uh progress. So we don't have it yet,

4796
03:06:41,120 --> 03:06:44,800
but it's it's uh coming. So, what I put

4797
03:06:44,800 --> 03:06:46,399
in, I just followed what we did for the

4798
03:06:46,399 --> 03:06:50,560
public safety and put 5% in just for um

4799
03:06:50,560 --> 03:06:55,920
having a draft budget and having some number in there and then that that

4800
03:06:55,920 --> 03:06:57,200
can be that can be

4801
03:06:57,200 --> 03:06:58,560
>> you know when you'll get the results of

4802
03:06:58,560 --> 03:06:59,840
the wage study back.

4803
03:06:59,840 --> 03:07:01,600
>> It's honestly it's probably about the

4804
03:07:01,600 --> 03:07:04,240
end of the month before we'll get it.

4805
03:07:04,240 --> 03:07:06,720
>> Are we asking questions about things as

4806
03:07:06,720 --> 03:07:08,240
they come up?

4807
03:07:08,240 --> 03:07:08,800
>> I'm sorry.

4808
03:07:08,800 --> 03:07:10,479
>> Are we asking questions about things as

4809
03:07:10,479 --> 03:07:11,120
he brings them up?

4810
03:07:11,120 --> 03:07:12,560
>> No, let's have them go up. I was just

4811
03:07:12,560 --> 03:07:15,760
curious. No, we'll wait till then.

4812
03:07:15,760 --> 03:07:19,840
>> Okay. Um I'll keep this going. Okay. Uh

4813
03:07:19,840 --> 03:07:21,359
staffing.

4814
03:07:21,359 --> 03:07:23,279
Um

4815
03:07:23,279 --> 03:07:25,200
I said there'd be more information on

4816
03:07:25,200 --> 03:07:27,920
this. So, if I can just explain my train

4817
03:07:27,920 --> 03:07:30,800
of thought here. So, about three years

4818
03:07:30,800 --> 03:07:35,040
ago, we went and created it was a new

4819
03:07:35,040 --> 03:07:36,479
position, but it wasn't. We had a

4820
03:07:36,479 --> 03:07:39,520
planner but we uh made the decision to

4821
03:07:39,520 --> 03:07:42,319
add responsibilities and and have that

4822
03:07:42,319 --> 03:07:45,760
as the assistant uh city administrator.

4823
03:07:45,760 --> 03:07:47,760
Some of the reasons were to take some of

4824
03:07:47,760 --> 03:07:51,200
the responsibilities um from me

4825
03:07:51,200 --> 03:07:54,399
um because everything's really stretched

4826
03:07:54,399 --> 03:07:57,520
and then uh training for the future. So

4827
03:07:57,520 --> 03:07:59,680
Ryan was the first one in that position.

4828
03:07:59,680 --> 03:08:02,160
It worked out that our planner left and

4829
03:08:02,160 --> 03:08:05,680
went to uh Saratoga Springs. We

4830
03:08:05,680 --> 03:08:09,040
advertised this position, hired Ryan.

4831
03:08:09,040 --> 03:08:12,240
So after three years of Ryan being in

4832
03:08:12,240 --> 03:08:13,760
that position and having those

4833
03:08:13,760 --> 03:08:16,080
responsibilities,

4834
03:08:16,080 --> 03:08:18,399
his his primary role was planning and

4835
03:08:18,399 --> 03:08:21,439
zoning because it took up that much

4836
03:08:21,439 --> 03:08:24,800
time. And so he never really got to

4837
03:08:24,800 --> 03:08:28,080
learn the other side of uh operating the

4838
03:08:28,080 --> 03:08:29,520
city. there were little things here,

4839
03:08:29,520 --> 03:08:33,439
there, and different things, and it's it

4840
03:08:33,439 --> 03:08:36,880
was more of a learn by example situation

4841
03:08:36,880 --> 03:08:39,359
rather than hands-on learning, which I

4842
03:08:39,359 --> 03:08:42,240
think's really needed. So,

4843
03:08:42,240 --> 03:08:43,760
um,

4844
03:08:43,760 --> 03:08:46,640
so Ryan left

4845
03:08:46,640 --> 03:08:49,120
and I learned firsthand how much time

4846
03:08:49,120 --> 03:08:51,200
planning and zoning really does take.

4847
03:08:51,200 --> 03:08:53,840
And I didn't get the full gamut because

4848
03:08:53,840 --> 03:08:57,920
Don took some things. uh he volunteered

4849
03:08:57,920 --> 03:09:00,960
to take some things on like uh certain

4850
03:09:00,960 --> 03:09:03,120
permits and different things like that.

4851
03:09:03,120 --> 03:09:04,720
And so I didn't even have to deal with

4852
03:09:04,720 --> 03:09:07,279
all of it, but I was

4853
03:09:07,279 --> 03:09:10,560
it it brought a real life situation to

4854
03:09:10,560 --> 03:09:12,080
me of how much time the planning and

4855
03:09:12,080 --> 03:09:13,920
zoning takes even though we're not like

4856
03:09:13,920 --> 03:09:16,960
a high growth city.

4857
03:09:16,960 --> 03:09:18,720
Um, so the second thing that was kind of

4858
03:09:18,720 --> 03:09:21,439
a reality check for me was, uh, in our

4859
03:09:21,439 --> 03:09:23,120
April,

4860
03:09:23,120 --> 03:09:25,920
uh, TSSD board meeting, um, Rich

4861
03:09:25,920 --> 03:09:27,680
Mickelson, the district manager down

4862
03:09:27,680 --> 03:09:30,000
there, talked about,

4863
03:09:30,000 --> 03:09:32,000
um,

4864
03:09:32,000 --> 03:09:33,600
kind of in the different departments

4865
03:09:33,600 --> 03:09:36,240
that he has, how he, you know, if

4866
03:09:36,240 --> 03:09:39,279
somebody, like if the head person in

4867
03:09:39,279 --> 03:09:41,359
that department retired, how things

4868
03:09:41,359 --> 03:09:43,680
would work, he had a plan for that.

4869
03:09:43,680 --> 03:09:45,279
said, "The one we don't have a plan for

4870
03:09:45,279 --> 03:09:48,560
is for me." Um, he said, "If I retire,

4871
03:09:48,560 --> 03:09:51,680
if something happened to me," and he's a

4872
03:09:51,680 --> 03:09:55,600
very smart guy, by the way, um, the

4873
03:09:55,600 --> 03:09:58,080
district would be left in kind of a bad

4874
03:09:58,080 --> 03:10:00,319
situation. And so, in this current

4875
03:10:00,319 --> 03:10:03,520
budget year, he's proposing

4876
03:10:03,520 --> 03:10:06,479
uh, an assistant district manager um, to

4877
03:10:06,479 --> 03:10:09,600
learn that role and kind of have a

4878
03:10:09,600 --> 03:10:12,000
succession plan.

4879
03:10:12,000 --> 03:10:15,600
Um, and so as I thought about this, I

4880
03:10:15,600 --> 03:10:18,720
talked to the mayor. Um, I think

4881
03:10:18,720 --> 03:10:21,439
something that we'd like the council to

4882
03:10:21,439 --> 03:10:25,279
consider, I I would for sure is to I

4883
03:10:25,279 --> 03:10:27,600
know we just hired Ryan to fill Ryan's

4884
03:10:27,600 --> 03:10:29,279
position. And I I just talked to Kaden

4885
03:10:29,279 --> 03:10:33,279
about this today, but um I feel like if

4886
03:10:33,279 --> 03:10:36,160
we hired an entry level planner, and it

4887
03:10:36,160 --> 03:10:38,319
could even be a situation where we hired

4888
03:10:38,319 --> 03:10:40,960
an intern that was almost finished with

4889
03:10:40,960 --> 03:10:43,439
school that worked into a full-time

4890
03:10:43,439 --> 03:10:46,240
position that they could deal with the

4891
03:10:46,240 --> 03:10:49,359
more menial tasks of planning and

4892
03:10:49,359 --> 03:10:52,160
zoning, all the fence questions, all the

4893
03:10:52,160 --> 03:10:54,399
setback questions, the height question,

4894
03:10:54,399 --> 03:10:56,960
all the different things, plus

4895
03:10:56,960 --> 03:11:00,880
um have more uh staff time to work on a

4896
03:11:00,880 --> 03:11:02,960
lot of the ordinances that the council

4897
03:11:02,960 --> 03:11:07,439
has asked for. Um and I I had a Chrissy

4898
03:11:07,439 --> 03:11:08,960
asked for a meeting today just to score

4899
03:11:08,960 --> 03:11:12,240
some things on the agenda and that and I

4900
03:11:12,240 --> 03:11:14,560
said don't do not take this as any kind

4901
03:11:14,560 --> 03:11:17,359
of knock on the council, but this

4902
03:11:17,359 --> 03:11:19,439
council has asked for a lot more than a

4903
03:11:19,439 --> 03:11:22,800
lot of past councils and so it it all

4904
03:11:22,800 --> 03:11:25,200
takes time and we're willing to do it.

4905
03:11:25,200 --> 03:11:28,479
just takes time and so to do it well

4906
03:11:28,479 --> 03:11:30,560
and do it effectively and produce what

4907
03:11:30,560 --> 03:11:36,399
you want uh requires more manh hours. Um

4908
03:11:36,399 --> 03:11:38,240
>> it's the older city councilors asking

4909
03:11:38,240 --> 03:11:40,240
for all the time. The new ones don't.

4910
03:11:40,240 --> 03:11:41,920
This is you guys.

4911
03:11:41,920 --> 03:11:43,840
>> We we don't we don't do anything. We are

4912
03:11:43,840 --> 03:11:45,439
small time.

4913
03:11:45,439 --> 03:11:47,680
>> Like I said, that is that is not a knock

4914
03:11:47,680 --> 03:11:48,720
whatsoever.

4915
03:11:48,720 --> 03:11:49,600
>> I'm joking.

4916
03:11:49,600 --> 03:11:50,880
>> It's just reality.

4917
03:11:50,880 --> 03:11:52,560
>> No. If you want more information, it

4918
03:11:52,560 --> 03:11:55,040
just requires requires more time.

4919
03:11:55,040 --> 03:11:58,080
Um so and then

4920
03:11:58,080 --> 03:12:02,080
um I think in a small city and I haven't

4921
03:12:02,080 --> 03:12:03,680
worked in a large city. I've worked with

4922
03:12:03,680 --> 03:12:06,000
some large larger cities on different

4923
03:12:06,000 --> 03:12:09,760
things. Um but I think with wearing many

4924
03:12:09,760 --> 03:12:12,080
hats and having many responsibilities

4925
03:12:12,080 --> 03:12:14,319
and the breadth of everything you have

4926
03:12:14,319 --> 03:12:18,479
to take care of uh it's it's

4927
03:12:18,479 --> 03:12:22,800
challenging. Um, and

4928
03:12:22,800 --> 03:12:25,520
I've I've said since the day I accept

4929
03:12:25,520 --> 03:12:28,240
the job as city administrator, I'm

4930
03:12:28,240 --> 03:12:30,399
worried about the future and having

4931
03:12:30,399 --> 03:12:35,200
everything, you know, flow and and and

4932
03:12:35,200 --> 03:12:37,840
uh just have the city be able to operate

4933
03:12:37,840 --> 03:12:39,359
well

4934
03:12:39,359 --> 03:12:42,960
um throughout time. So, I feel like the

4935
03:12:42,960 --> 03:12:46,240
cheapest way to do this would be this

4936
03:12:46,240 --> 03:12:49,840
planner one or entry level planner. um

4937
03:12:49,840 --> 03:12:53,279
so that Kaden could be exposed to um

4938
03:12:53,279 --> 03:12:55,279
I've been very impressed with Kaden for

4939
03:12:55,279 --> 03:12:57,120
the last three or four weeks, whatever

4940
03:12:57,120 --> 03:12:59,920
it is, and he's got a lot of

4941
03:12:59,920 --> 03:13:02,160
capabilities and I'm sure there's a lot

4942
03:13:02,160 --> 03:13:03,760
of things that he'll be able to do much

4943
03:13:03,760 --> 03:13:06,720
better than I can. Um the youth, the

4944
03:13:06,720 --> 03:13:09,279
younger people, and I'm not somebody

4945
03:13:09,279 --> 03:13:11,520
said he's I can't remember the kind. It

4946
03:13:11,520 --> 03:13:13,279
might have been

4947
03:13:13,279 --> 03:13:15,040
he's not that young, but he's younger

4948
03:13:15,040 --> 03:13:18,720
than I am. So, um, I feel like this

4949
03:13:18,720 --> 03:13:20,560
would be a a way to address that

4950
03:13:20,560 --> 03:13:24,240
situation and and address a lot of the

4951
03:13:24,240 --> 03:13:26,080
things that the council, you know, has

4952
03:13:26,080 --> 03:13:28,960
asked us to look at. So, I'd ask you to

4953
03:13:28,960 --> 03:13:31,520
consider that.

4954
03:13:31,520 --> 03:13:34,000
Um,

4955
03:13:34,000 --> 03:13:36,080
okay. Um,

4956
03:13:36,080 --> 03:13:39,520
on the insurance, uh, it came back with

4957
03:13:39,520 --> 03:13:44,000
medical at 7.7%, dental at 3.9.

4958
03:13:44,000 --> 03:13:47,200
Uh, there's a 2.6 7% increase from on

4959
03:13:47,200 --> 03:13:49,520
our garbage contract

4960
03:13:49,520 --> 03:13:52,399
and we're we'll be doing our little

4961
03:13:52,399 --> 03:13:54,399
analysis on that to see if we need to

4962
03:13:54,399 --> 03:13:56,720
raise rates.

4963
03:13:56,720 --> 03:14:00,479
Um projects we have our typical street

4964
03:14:00,479 --> 03:14:01,840
maintenance. A lot of the things we've

4965
03:14:01,840 --> 03:14:03,840
already talked about the fire station.

4966
03:14:03,840 --> 03:14:06,239
Um I kind of outlined here and it this

4967
03:14:06,239 --> 03:14:08,640
is rounded numbers. The number that came

4968
03:14:08,640 --> 03:14:11,200
back in the estimate that was at council

4969
03:14:11,200 --> 03:14:14,160
maybe six weeks ago was like 5.8 eight

4970
03:14:14,160 --> 03:14:15,600
or nine, something like that. I just

4971
03:14:15,600 --> 03:14:18,160
rounded it to six for now. Um, they're

4972
03:14:18,160 --> 03:14:20,800
working on uh getting bids to get us to

4973
03:14:20,800 --> 03:14:23,279
a guaranteed maximum price and then

4974
03:14:23,279 --> 03:14:26,640
we'll be able to kind of uh hone in on

4975
03:14:26,640 --> 03:14:29,760
that number. Um, we have worked with

4976
03:14:29,760 --> 03:14:33,600
Zans Bank or Zans Public Finance. Um, we

4977
03:14:33,600 --> 03:14:35,520
had them do a performant I can share

4978
03:14:35,520 --> 03:14:38,640
with council on a 20-year sales tax

4979
03:14:38,640 --> 03:14:41,439
bond. Um

4980
03:14:41,439 --> 03:14:44,399
uh the payment's about 150,000 a year,

4981
03:14:44,399 --> 03:14:46,399
but we have to commit a little more than

4982
03:14:46,399 --> 03:14:50,080
that of our sales tax money. Um it's

4983
03:14:50,080 --> 03:14:52,960
like 1.2 times or something like that. I

4984
03:14:52,960 --> 03:14:54,239
can't remember the exact number off the

4985
03:14:54,239 --> 03:14:56,239
top of my head.

4986
03:14:56,239 --> 03:15:01,040
Um which, uh there's roughly 2,850

4987
03:15:01,040 --> 03:15:04,080
homes. That's about $4.40 40 cents a

4988
03:15:04,080 --> 03:15:07,520
month um per home if you were just

4989
03:15:07,520 --> 03:15:12,080
analyzing it that way. Um we did have

4990
03:15:12,080 --> 03:15:15,279
more money in the past couple years for

4991
03:15:15,279 --> 03:15:17,279
maintenance of city open spaces. This

4992
03:15:17,279 --> 03:15:20,080
kind of um started with our former

4993
03:15:20,080 --> 03:15:25,439
Councilman Kelly Law. Uh last year

4994
03:15:25,439 --> 03:15:27,760
Troy made some adjustments and things

4995
03:15:27,760 --> 03:15:29,920
and we ended up doing we thought we'd be

4996
03:15:29,920 --> 03:15:32,080
contracting for this. he ended up being

4997
03:15:32,080 --> 03:15:34,160
able to take care of of a lot of this

4998
03:15:34,160 --> 03:15:36,560
inhouse. There's some things I think

4999
03:15:36,560 --> 03:15:40,080
that need to be addressed. Um, so I cut

5000
03:15:40,080 --> 03:15:43,520
that from like 60,000 to 20,000, but I

5001
03:15:43,520 --> 03:15:47,200
think I upped the tree trimming budget

5002
03:15:47,200 --> 03:15:50,479
that we have by about 20,000 too because

5003
03:15:50,479 --> 03:15:51,920
>> we've started to do some different

5004
03:15:51,920 --> 03:15:53,760
things in parks which I think will make

5005
03:15:53,760 --> 03:15:56,160
our trees healthier and be good in the

5006
03:15:56,160 --> 03:15:58,319
long run.

5007
03:15:58,319 --> 03:16:01,359
um three falls landslide mitigation.

5008
03:16:01,359 --> 03:16:03,200
We're going to try to get this going for

5009
03:16:03,200 --> 03:16:05,600
this within this budget year. It's very

5010
03:16:05,600 --> 03:16:07,680
dry, so it's not like a super big

5011
03:16:07,680 --> 03:16:09,520
concern, but it is something that we

5012
03:16:09,520 --> 03:16:12,399
need to address.

5013
03:16:12,399 --> 03:16:15,439
Uh we talked in our retreat a little bit

5014
03:16:15,439 --> 03:16:18,160
about park tax priorities and I think as

5015
03:16:18,160 --> 03:16:20,399
we flesh out these projects, we'll see

5016
03:16:20,399 --> 03:16:23,600
where those priorities fall.

5017
03:16:23,600 --> 03:16:26,720
Um, and then also more about security

5018
03:16:26,720 --> 03:16:29,359
cameras. Um, I talked with at the

5019
03:16:29,359 --> 03:16:33,120
conference last week I talked to um,

5020
03:16:33,120 --> 03:16:35,520
uh, guy that I didn't think work for

5021
03:16:35,520 --> 03:16:37,520
Centric anymore, but I guess he works

5022
03:16:37,520 --> 03:16:41,439
for our IT company and Centricom, and

5023
03:16:41,439 --> 03:16:44,239
he's like, I'm still their top salesman.

5024
03:16:44,239 --> 03:16:47,439
I'll get you pricing for internet. So,

5025
03:16:47,439 --> 03:16:49,920
that is in the works.

5026
03:16:49,920 --> 03:16:51,600
Uh, the projects from the council

5027
03:16:51,600 --> 03:16:55,359
retreat. I just copied into here. Um, we

5028
03:16:55,359 --> 03:17:00,080
have some more work to do on those and then the council asks for like a way

5029
03:17:00,080 --> 03:17:02,880
to kind of a matrix to prior prioritize

5030
03:17:02,880 --> 03:17:07,920
that. I've got a um, thanks to Chad GPT,

5031
03:17:07,920 --> 03:17:10,880
I have a form. It's like a spreadsheet

5032
03:17:10,880 --> 03:17:13,680
started that will help with that. It

5033
03:17:13,680 --> 03:17:16,800
does the way I've got it set up right

5034
03:17:16,800 --> 03:17:18,960
now and I'm I was working on this today

5035
03:17:18,960 --> 03:17:21,680
and didn't quite get it finished, but

5036
03:17:21,680 --> 03:17:24,960
there's five different areas uh like

5037
03:17:24,960 --> 03:17:30,630
cost, council priority, staff priority,

5038
03:17:30,640 --> 03:17:32,479
quality of life, and there's one other I

5039
03:17:32,479 --> 03:17:33,920
can't remember what it is, but then

5040
03:17:33,920 --> 03:17:36,800
they're kind of weighted.

5041
03:17:36,800 --> 03:17:39,040
And if if you disagree with the waiting,

5042
03:17:39,040 --> 03:17:42,000
there's no offense taken. Um,

5043
03:17:42,000 --> 03:17:43,439
>> how do we do this if we're not going to

5044
03:17:43,439 --> 03:17:45,279
meet again until we're adopting the

5045
03:17:45,279 --> 03:17:48,720
tenative budget? Because now like in all

5046
03:17:48,720 --> 03:17:50,800
of these things that you're mentioning,

5047
03:17:50,800 --> 03:17:53,920
we can't talk as a council until the

5048
03:17:53,920 --> 03:17:55,840
tenant and and our next thing is the

5049
03:17:55,840 --> 03:17:58,000
tenative budget. So you'll be able to

5050
03:17:58,000 --> 03:17:59,680
talk to each other. But what I proposed

5051
03:17:59,680 --> 03:18:01,279
in the the calendar

5052
03:18:01,279 --> 03:18:02,960
>> I mean that's a lot of I mean

5053
03:18:02,960 --> 03:18:05,200
>> call and finish.

5054
03:18:05,200 --> 03:18:05,920
>> Yeah.

5055
03:18:05,920 --> 03:18:09,520
>> What I proposed in the calendar is that

5056
03:18:09,520 --> 03:18:12,160
uh over the next couple of weeks that we

5057
03:18:12,160 --> 03:18:15,359
be able to meet one onone two onone.

5058
03:18:15,359 --> 03:18:18,000
I'll get Kaden in there as well and go

5059
03:18:18,000 --> 03:18:19,920
through these things. It is the tenative

5060
03:18:19,920 --> 03:18:22,000
budget so that's not the final budget.

5061
03:18:22,000 --> 03:18:23,840
So that means that there's another six

5062
03:18:23,840 --> 03:18:26,960
weeks almost before the final budget has

5063
03:18:26,960 --> 03:18:28,319
to be adopted.

5064
03:18:28,319 --> 03:18:30,560
>> So why don't we push the tenative budget

5065
03:18:30,560 --> 03:18:31,200
one more?

5066
03:18:31,200 --> 03:18:33,120
>> We can't because it's required to be

5067
03:18:33,120 --> 03:18:34,720
adopted by state law.

5068
03:18:34,720 --> 03:18:35,359
>> Okay.

5069
03:18:35,359 --> 03:18:38,560
>> But on your first

5070
03:18:38,560 --> 03:18:40,160
I do think we need to have a work

5071
03:18:40,160 --> 03:18:41,120
session on this

5072
03:18:41,120 --> 03:18:42,640
>> and we can schedule a special work

5073
03:18:42,640 --> 03:18:43,600
session too.

5074
03:18:43,600 --> 03:18:45,680
>> Do need to do that with us and kind of

5075
03:18:45,680 --> 03:18:48,800
hash it out. Um

5076
03:18:48,800 --> 03:18:50,640
>> okay. So obvious just so that you can

5077
03:18:50,640 --> 03:18:52,399
have the discussions. Obviously the

5078
03:18:52,399 --> 03:18:53,760
decisions aren't going to be made until

5079
03:18:53,760 --> 03:18:55,279
we have the official city council

5080
03:18:55,279 --> 03:18:56,560
meeting.

5081
03:18:56,560 --> 03:18:59,200
>> The issue is scheduling and then u my

5082
03:18:59,200 --> 03:19:01,359
concern is if we have a work session and

5083
03:19:01,359 --> 03:19:03,920
then we go into a long meeting. It's

5084
03:19:03,920 --> 03:19:05,439
just a really long night and how

5085
03:19:05,439 --> 03:19:07,760
effective are we in what we're doing. So

5086
03:19:07,760 --> 03:19:09,600
we'll try to figure out scheduling on

5087
03:19:09,600 --> 03:19:10,960
that and see how [clears throat] to make

5088
03:19:10,960 --> 03:19:12,479
that work. But I do think we need a

5089
03:19:12,479 --> 03:19:14,080
separate work session on the budget.

5090
03:19:14,080 --> 03:19:16,960
>> Yeah. And I agree. And I mean this this

5091
03:19:16,960 --> 03:19:18,399
is going to sound like an excuse, but

5092
03:19:18,399 --> 03:19:20,319
the last three budget years we've had a

5093
03:19:20,319 --> 03:19:22,560
major position

5094
03:19:22,560 --> 03:19:24,399
>> that we had to fill.

5095
03:19:24,399 --> 03:19:27,200
>> And it's made it very challenging to try

5096
03:19:27,200 --> 03:19:29,439
to pull everything together with all the

5097
03:19:29,439 --> 03:19:31,840
pressures of either onboarding someone

5098
03:19:31,840 --> 03:19:34,640
with nobody really there to help them

5099
03:19:34,640 --> 03:19:38,479
besides me for a lot of it. Anyway, we

5100
03:19:38,479 --> 03:19:40,160
hope that doesn't happen again next

5101
03:19:40,160 --> 03:19:41,359
year.

5102
03:19:41,359 --> 03:19:43,760
Well, and that's why to me like I really

5103
03:19:43,760 --> 03:19:45,359
appreciate that you're looking at I

5104
03:19:45,359 --> 03:19:47,359
think of it as a redundancy. We're very

5105
03:19:47,359 --> 03:19:49,279
focused on all our redundancies and I

5106
03:19:49,279 --> 03:19:52,080
think what Shane's redundancy and it

5107
03:19:52,080 --> 03:19:53,920
looks like you're you're proposing

5108
03:19:53,920 --> 03:19:56,960
redundancy by um putting together this

5109
03:19:56,960 --> 03:19:59,439
assistant city planner, but I look at a

5110
03:19:59,439 --> 03:20:01,439
redundancy plan for Shane that we need a

5111
03:20:01,439 --> 03:20:03,680
finance person. I mean, we need we need

5112
03:20:03,680 --> 03:20:05,600
a few things that maybe if we're saying

5113
03:20:05,600 --> 03:20:08,160
we have $56,000

5114
03:20:08,160 --> 03:20:12,160
to create a redundancy plan for you.

5115
03:20:12,160 --> 03:20:14,160
I'm not sure that maybe finance isn't

5116
03:20:14,160 --> 03:20:15,439
one of those things. So, these are like

5117
03:20:15,439 --> 03:20:17,439
the deep dive conversations that I don't

5118
03:20:17,439 --> 03:20:20,319
want to call.

5119
03:20:20,319 --> 03:20:22,000
>> No, no, totally. And I think part of

5120
03:20:22,000 --> 03:20:24,560
that is he's I think Shane's looking at

5121
03:20:24,560 --> 03:20:27,520
how much time it took to do

5122
03:20:27,520 --> 03:20:30,560
um you know what we thought was a simple

5123
03:20:30,560 --> 03:20:32,880
planning assistant city administrator

5124
03:20:32,880 --> 03:20:35,520
job and where he had so many projects

5125
03:20:35,520 --> 03:20:37,600
coming he's realizing okay in order to

5126
03:20:37,600 --> 03:20:40,399
be able to train Kaden properly and to

5127
03:20:40,399 --> 03:20:42,000
have that in the city administrative

5128
03:20:42,000 --> 03:20:44,640
portion of it um they're not going to be

5129
03:20:44,640 --> 03:20:45,680
able to do it effectively because

5130
03:20:45,680 --> 03:20:47,279
Kaden's going to be so busy looking up

5131
03:20:47,279 --> 03:20:49,279
ordinances and whatnot. I'm not saying

5132
03:20:49,279 --> 03:20:50,880
that the financing isn't going to be

5133
03:20:50,880 --> 03:20:53,279
there, but I feel like it's such a big

5134
03:20:53,279 --> 03:20:55,680
hit on our budget in one year. It

5135
03:20:55,680 --> 03:20:57,439
keeping in mind all the project

5136
03:20:57,439 --> 03:20:59,439
>> part, you know, like how do you parse

5137
03:20:59,439 --> 03:21:02,560
out? It's a pie. And maybe part of it is

5138
03:21:02,560 --> 03:21:04,640
we need to actually streamline and adopt

5139
03:21:04,640 --> 03:21:06,160
some better systems in our building

5140
03:21:06,160 --> 03:21:08,399
department. I mean, there's like some

5141
03:21:08,399 --> 03:21:10,640
things that we can create efficiencies

5142
03:21:10,640 --> 03:21:12,880
with $56,000

5143
03:21:12,880 --> 03:21:15,120
to be able to open up Shane's time so

5144
03:21:15,120 --> 03:21:16,880
that he can really work with Kaden in an

5145
03:21:16,880 --> 03:21:20,080
effective way that maybe an assistant

5146
03:21:20,080 --> 03:21:23,439
city planner isn't the best option. It's

5147
03:21:23,439 --> 03:21:26,160
a option, but there probably are some

5148
03:21:26,160 --> 03:21:28,160
other things we should look at.

5149
03:21:28,160 --> 03:21:30,080
>> I mean, that's definitely I would like

5150
03:21:30,080 --> 03:21:32,479
give those suggestions if you know what

5151
03:21:32,479 --> 03:21:34,399
you know we can do. I just know that

5152
03:21:34,399 --> 03:21:36,720
most of our residents I and maybe it's

5153
03:21:36,720 --> 03:21:38,239
just because we're a small town, but

5154
03:21:38,239 --> 03:21:41,200
they expect to most people aren't going

5155
03:21:41,200 --> 03:21:42,800
online to look at ordinances and

5156
03:21:42,800 --> 03:21:44,080
whatnot. And maybe that's what we need

5157
03:21:44,080 --> 03:21:46,640
to push people to do more of, but I

5158
03:21:46,640 --> 03:21:48,160
think they expect a level of quality

5159
03:21:48,160 --> 03:21:49,439
that they come here and they're going to

5160
03:21:49,439 --> 03:21:51,200
be able to see someone and be able to

5161
03:21:51,200 --> 03:21:52,880
talk through something with them. So,

5162
03:21:52,880 --> 03:21:54,560
it's just a level of service also,

5163
03:21:54,560 --> 03:21:58,239
right? So, I think it depends on what do we want to be as a city? What do

5164
03:21:58,239 --> 03:22:00,479
we want our presence to be? So that's

5165
03:22:00,479 --> 03:22:02,960
just definitely a conversation.

5166
03:22:02,960 --> 03:22:05,200
>> I think we want to be good stewards of

5167
03:22:05,200 --> 03:22:07,840
the taxpayer dollars. Adopting

5168
03:22:07,840 --> 03:22:10,960
>> processes and systems that do that so

5169
03:22:10,960 --> 03:22:13,200
that we can maximize every dollar that

5170
03:22:13,200 --> 03:22:15,279
people pay in their property taxes and

5171
03:22:15,279 --> 03:22:16,720
in other taxes

5172
03:22:16,720 --> 03:22:18,560
>> is what we need to do. I mean I know

5173
03:22:18,560 --> 03:22:20,080
that it's nice that we can be here to

5174
03:22:20,080 --> 03:22:22,560
visit with them, but I'm not sure that

5175
03:22:22,560 --> 03:22:25,600
that's really maximizing

5176
03:22:25,600 --> 03:22:26,399
those things.

5177
03:22:26,399 --> 03:22:27,920
>> And I think that's a discussion that we

5178
03:22:27,920 --> 03:22:30,160
can have and go over. you like please

5179
03:22:30,160 --> 03:22:31,920
come to the meeting with suggestions on

5180
03:22:31,920 --> 03:22:35,279
what you know can do but maybe also take

5181
03:22:35,279 --> 03:22:39,359
some time in finding out what um those

5182
03:22:39,359 --> 03:22:40,720
things are

5183
03:22:40,720 --> 03:22:42,560
>> that maybe it can't be I do know like

5184
03:22:42,560 --> 03:22:44,720
cities like you know Saratoga they have

5185
03:22:44,720 --> 03:22:48,000
seven city planners you know um and I'm

5186
03:22:48,000 --> 03:22:50,880
sure and their building department has

5187
03:22:50,880 --> 03:22:52,880
because I just um I'm just trying to

5188
03:22:52,880 --> 03:22:55,279
think how many offices and desks that I

5189
03:22:55,279 --> 03:22:57,920
saw in just their building department

5190
03:22:57,920 --> 03:23:00,880
and um you know they're pretty well

5191
03:23:00,880 --> 03:23:03,040
automated like everything's automated

5192
03:23:03,040 --> 03:23:06,720
over there and so it's and it's a city

5193
03:23:06,720 --> 03:23:10,239
that's not I mean they're growing but

5194
03:23:10,239 --> 03:23:10,800
you know

5195
03:23:10,800 --> 03:23:13,120
>> yeah I I had a discussion I was sitting

5196
03:23:13,120 --> 03:23:14,960
at the table at one of our monthly

5197
03:23:14,960 --> 03:23:17,439
lunches with the assistant city manager

5198
03:23:17,439 --> 03:23:19,200
from Saratoga

5199
03:23:19,200 --> 03:23:21,040
and [clears throat]

5200
03:23:21,040 --> 03:23:24,319
he said as they've grown they you know

5201
03:23:24,319 --> 03:23:26,479
they had a lot of positions that wore

5202
03:23:26,479 --> 03:23:28,640
multiple hats and and he said they're

5203
03:23:28,640 --> 03:23:32,080
having to not do that anymore because

5204
03:23:32,080 --> 03:23:34,239
it's it doesn't work for them at their

5205
03:23:34,239 --> 03:23:35,760
growth rate.

5206
03:23:35,760 --> 03:23:40,399
>> Um so they're narrowing responsibilities

5207
03:23:40,399 --> 03:23:42,239
to accommodate.

5208
03:23:42,239 --> 03:23:44,080
>> Let's move on so that we can um we've

5209
03:23:44,080 --> 03:23:45,840
got five more minutes of this meeting.

5210
03:23:45,840 --> 03:23:46,560
So it's

5211
03:23:46,560 --> 03:23:49,279
>> okay. Um Canon Crest, we've talked about

5212
03:23:49,279 --> 03:23:50,960
this. It's going to be pushed pushed

5213
03:23:50,960 --> 03:23:54,560
into 2027. Um

5214
03:23:54,560 --> 03:23:57,840
let's see. There was I think you I was

5215
03:23:57,840 --> 03:24:01,040
copied on an email u from a resident on

5216
03:24:01,040 --> 03:24:03,200
Grove Drive. It's a project that we've

5217
03:24:03,200 --> 03:24:06,239
brought up in the past. Something I

5218
03:24:06,239 --> 03:24:07,760
totally agree with him that something

5219
03:24:07,760 --> 03:24:10,319
needs to be done there. Um, the one

5220
03:24:10,319 --> 03:24:12,479
issue with that, I feel like whenever we

5221
03:24:12,479 --> 03:24:14,800
decide we're going to do that, we need

5222
03:24:14,800 --> 03:24:17,920
to plan a year ahead because I know that

5223
03:24:17,920 --> 03:24:20,319
Lehigh City needs to replace their water

5224
03:24:20,319 --> 03:24:22,880
line in that section of the road.

5225
03:24:22,880 --> 03:24:24,640
>> And we really want them to do that

5226
03:24:24,640 --> 03:24:27,359
before we put new pavement down.

5227
03:24:27,359 --> 03:24:29,439
>> And so I think in fairness to them, we

5228
03:24:29,439 --> 03:24:32,239
would need to give them enough notice.

5229
03:24:32,239 --> 03:24:34,479
And maybe a year is not quite enough.

5230
03:24:34,479 --> 03:24:36,239
Maybe it's a year and a half.

5231
03:24:36,239 --> 03:24:37,920
>> And you have to drop that power line,

5232
03:24:37,920 --> 03:24:42,000
too. So that's the Rocky Mountain Power

5233
03:24:42,000 --> 03:24:44,479
with the state law that was passed a

5234
03:24:44,479 --> 03:24:47,120
year or two ago like fire prevention

5235
03:24:47,120 --> 03:24:49,040
stuff and power companies. They're

5236
03:24:49,040 --> 03:24:52,560
telling me they have to move that uh I

5237
03:24:52,560 --> 03:24:54,640
think they're putting it underground.

5238
03:24:54,640 --> 03:24:56,399
>> But you'd want that too to happen.

5239
03:24:56,399 --> 03:24:58,399
>> Yes. But if we said, "Hey, Rocky

5240
03:24:58,399 --> 03:25:00,560
Mountain Power, we have this project."

5241
03:25:00,560 --> 03:25:02,720
Let's say that state law wasn't in the

5242
03:25:02,720 --> 03:25:05,439
picture uh by our franchise agreement.

5243
03:25:05,439 --> 03:25:07,279
They would have to relocate their poles

5244
03:25:07,279 --> 03:25:09,680
because it's a city project at their

5245
03:25:09,680 --> 03:25:10,880
expense, not ours.

5246
03:25:10,880 --> 03:25:12,319
>> Shane, I watched the videos that the

5247
03:25:12,319 --> 03:25:14,640
resident provided of the narrow road.

5248
03:25:14,640 --> 03:25:16,239
Would would property acquisition be

5249
03:25:16,239 --> 03:25:17,920
required to widen that road?

5250
03:25:17,920 --> 03:25:20,080
>> So, the way we looked at this and and

5251
03:25:20,080 --> 03:25:22,080
this this project's essentially

5252
03:25:22,080 --> 03:25:23,439
designed. there would have to be a few

5253
03:25:23,439 --> 03:25:25,920
tweaks and stuff, but it was looked at

5254
03:25:25,920 --> 03:25:28,160
because it was a responsibility or at

5255
03:25:28,160 --> 03:25:31,200
least a portion of it of u the

5256
03:25:31,200 --> 03:25:36,239
developers with Rigid Alpine. Um but

5257
03:25:36,239 --> 03:25:38,319
they weren't able to acquire the rideway

5258
03:25:38,319 --> 03:25:40,560
that was needed and so they came back to

5259
03:25:40,560 --> 03:25:42,479
council and said, "Hey, we've exhausted

5260
03:25:42,479 --> 03:25:45,439
our our options to acquire this

5261
03:25:45,439 --> 03:25:48,080
rideway." And so the council voted to

5262
03:25:48,080 --> 03:25:50,640
take that responsibility away from them.

5263
03:25:50,640 --> 03:25:52,720
So that project just kind of got put on

5264
03:25:52,720 --> 03:25:55,439
the shelf. Now the property that was the

5265
03:25:55,439 --> 03:25:57,840
issue with rightway has been developed

5266
03:25:57,840 --> 03:25:59,920
and actually has curbon gutter. It's the

5267
03:25:59,920 --> 03:26:02,880
Cherry Point subdivision. Um there's

5268
03:26:02,880 --> 03:26:04,720
still a little issue on the the west

5269
03:26:04,720 --> 03:26:07,279
side, but to get curbon gutter in there,

5270
03:26:07,279 --> 03:26:09,920
it's it's fine. But it was planned for

5271
03:26:09,920 --> 03:26:12,399
um a little bit of a modified

5272
03:26:12,399 --> 03:26:14,960
cross-section. It would have the full 30

5273
03:26:14,960 --> 03:26:17,439
ft of pavement, curb on both sides and

5274
03:26:17,439 --> 03:26:21,600
sidewalk on one side. and that would fit

5275
03:26:21,600 --> 03:26:24,800
with very little rightway acquisition.

5276
03:26:24,800 --> 03:26:27,120
So, some of the rightway that would be

5277
03:26:27,120 --> 03:26:30,080
needed actually is on the property from

5278
03:26:30,080 --> 03:26:33,279
the resident that sent the email and I'm

5279
03:26:33,279 --> 03:26:33,920
sure

5280
03:26:33,920 --> 03:26:35,840
>> we talked to him at one point when they

5281
03:26:35,840 --> 03:26:38,399
were submitting house plans. when you

5282
03:26:38,399 --> 03:26:41,279
said that a prior city council chose to

5283
03:26:41,279 --> 03:26:42,960
take on that responsibility to relieve

5284
03:26:42,960 --> 03:26:44,640
the developer.

5285
03:26:44,640 --> 03:26:47,520
>> So the compensate the the cost is now on

5286
03:26:47,520 --> 03:26:49,760
the city because of that decision.

5287
03:26:49,760 --> 03:26:52,960
>> Yeah. Yeah. And it was it was it wasn't

5288
03:26:52,960 --> 03:26:56,640
even 50/50. It was maybe 20 maybe 20 or

5289
03:26:56,640 --> 03:26:59,120
30% the developer side and the rest of

5290
03:26:59,120 --> 03:27:01,840
the city. Um I ran across the numbers

5291
03:27:01,840 --> 03:27:03,600
the other day. I just don't recall them

5292
03:27:03,600 --> 03:27:06,319
off top of my head. But but the city

5293
03:27:06,319 --> 03:27:09,520
wasn't willing to condemn the rightway

5294
03:27:09,520 --> 03:27:12,080
>> and so they they voted to take that

5295
03:27:12,080 --> 03:27:14,160
responsibility away. They improved their

5296
03:27:14,160 --> 03:27:17,040
frontage on Grove Drive, but not

5297
03:27:17,040 --> 03:27:18,479
>> Okay, let's

5298
03:27:18,479 --> 03:27:18,960
>> So,

5299
03:27:18,960 --> 03:27:21,120
>> let's let's keep this moving. Sorry.

5300
03:27:21,120 --> 03:27:25,120
>> Okay. Uh water, we uh apply for a grant.

5301
03:27:25,120 --> 03:27:26,880
I say the mayor applied for a grant. She

5302
03:27:26,880 --> 03:27:30,399
did almost all the work um for a water

5303
03:27:30,399 --> 03:27:32,800
tank. Um,

5304
03:27:32,800 --> 03:27:35,040
we're very hopeful that we can get that.

5305
03:27:35,040 --> 03:27:38,319
There would be I think it's a 5050.

5306
03:27:38,319 --> 03:27:39,520
Was it 50/50?

5307
03:27:39,520 --> 03:27:42,239
>> It was a 3 million ask. We'll see what

5308
03:27:42,239 --> 03:27:43,040
we get.

5309
03:27:43,040 --> 03:27:46,000
>> But wasn't a a 50% match.

5310
03:27:46,000 --> 03:27:48,399
>> No, I don't believe so.

5311
03:27:48,399 --> 03:27:50,239
>> Okay. Let's hope it's not that

5312
03:27:50,239 --> 03:27:51,680
>> some of them were, but I think what we

5313
03:27:51,680 --> 03:27:54,239
did was it's pretty close because the

5314
03:27:54,239 --> 03:27:56,080
cost of the project is six billion. So,

5315
03:27:56,080 --> 03:27:58,080
it's Yeah, it ends up being about 5050.

5316
03:27:58,080 --> 03:28:01,120
>> Okay. Um, so I don't know what the

5317
03:28:01,120 --> 03:28:04,560
timeline is for sure on that. Uh,

5318
03:28:04,560 --> 03:28:06,479
pressure irrigation. I mentioned before

5319
03:28:06,479 --> 03:28:09,680
that we got a perform a $9 million bond

5320
03:28:09,680 --> 03:28:12,319
which by our study shows that that would

5321
03:28:12,319 --> 03:28:14,800
cover the recommended projects that

5322
03:28:14,800 --> 03:28:17,520
would be the most impactful that

5323
03:28:17,520 --> 03:28:19,920
depending on whether it was a a direct

5324
03:28:19,920 --> 03:28:22,239
placement or

5325
03:28:22,239 --> 03:28:26,479
um forget the other term bond it'd be in

5326
03:28:26,479 --> 03:28:30,080
the 610 to 633,000

5327
03:28:30,080 --> 03:28:33,439
uh per year range which again back to

5328
03:28:33,439 --> 03:28:35,520
the residents and that's on a 25 year

5329
03:28:35,520 --> 03:28:39,760
bond. That's about 18 to $1,850 per

5330
03:28:39,760 --> 03:28:42,640
resident per month.

5331
03:28:42,640 --> 03:28:45,120
Uh I don't think we need to talk too

5332
03:28:45,120 --> 03:28:47,520
much about the sewer. It's one little

5333
03:28:47,520 --> 03:28:51,279
project, not a big deal. um

5334
03:28:51,279 --> 03:28:54,800
other grants. Um

5335
03:28:54,800 --> 03:28:58,000
the MAG grant that was mentioned tonight

5336
03:28:58,000 --> 03:29:02,160
and then um the MAG grant um Bren notice

5337
03:29:02,160 --> 03:29:04,800
I did not have on my list and I've since

5338
03:29:04,800 --> 03:29:07,600
fixed that for the roundabout that we

5339
03:29:07,600 --> 03:29:10,960
should find out in August.

5340
03:29:10,960 --> 03:29:15,439
Um let's see. Equipment wise, uh we're

5341
03:29:15,439 --> 03:29:18,239
surplusing and it's getting ready to be

5342
03:29:18,239 --> 03:29:20,960
put on public surplus uh a bunch of

5343
03:29:20,960 --> 03:29:22,479
equipment.

5344
03:29:22,479 --> 03:29:29,359
Um Troy feels like if we had uh 144 inch

5345
03:29:29,359 --> 03:29:32,399
mower, we could be more efficient. One

5346
03:29:32,399 --> 03:29:34,640
thing we're running into, and it's this

5347
03:29:34,640 --> 03:29:36,880
the first year it's happened, we we have

5348
03:29:36,880 --> 03:29:39,359
a 16 foot wide lawnmower. We actually

5349
03:29:39,359 --> 03:29:43,120
have two and they're there's an age

5350
03:29:43,120 --> 03:29:45,920
difference, but if one goes down and you

5351
03:29:45,920 --> 03:29:47,920
can't get parts, it it really makes it

5352
03:29:47,920 --> 03:29:50,960
tough to maintain the parks. So, we've

5353
03:29:50,960 --> 03:29:53,520
kind of parked one and used one and kind

5354
03:29:53,520 --> 03:29:56,319
of rotated those through.

5355
03:29:56,319 --> 03:29:59,680
Um, just recently, I guess a plant

5356
03:29:59,680 --> 03:30:02,399
closed that produces the parts for these

5357
03:30:02,399 --> 03:30:04,479
um Jacobson mowers and now they have to

5358
03:30:04,479 --> 03:30:06,640
come from England and he's had a real

5359
03:30:06,640 --> 03:30:08,960
challenge. We had a time, I think it was

5360
03:30:08,960 --> 03:30:11,920
last week, where both of our mowers, big

5361
03:30:11,920 --> 03:30:14,479
mowers were down and we're not in the

5362
03:30:14,479 --> 03:30:16,000
peak

5363
03:30:16,000 --> 03:30:18,720
maintenance season. So, it worked out.

5364
03:30:18,720 --> 03:30:21,600
But, uh, this mower actually will make

5365
03:30:21,600 --> 03:30:23,359
them more efficient. One of the reasons

5366
03:30:23,359 --> 03:30:25,439
is it's narrower

5367
03:30:25,439 --> 03:30:27,600
and they can fit between some of the

5368
03:30:27,600 --> 03:30:29,760
trees that they can't with this one. And

5369
03:30:29,760 --> 03:30:32,960
so, um, he feels like this would be the

5370
03:30:32,960 --> 03:30:35,680
way to go. And a lot of the money we

5371
03:30:35,680 --> 03:30:37,760
generate from selling this equipment can

5372
03:30:37,760 --> 03:30:41,840
offset the cost of of this machine.

5373
03:30:41,840 --> 03:30:46,720
Um, and then uh our the parks department

5374
03:30:46,720 --> 03:30:50,000
kind of gets all the handme-downs

5375
03:30:50,000 --> 03:30:52,720
and it's pretty pretty tough looking

5376
03:30:52,720 --> 03:30:55,439
fleet right now actually. Uh so we were

5377
03:30:55,439 --> 03:30:58,399
proposing to replace one of those trucks

5378
03:30:58,399 --> 03:31:01,200
um be a crew cab truck that the summer

5379
03:31:01,200 --> 03:31:03,680
crew four of them or five usually

5380
03:31:03,680 --> 03:31:07,520
they're in it going around mowing parks.

5381
03:31:07,520 --> 03:31:10,239
Um besides the budget [clears throat]

5382
03:31:10,239 --> 03:31:12,160
timeline

5383
03:31:12,160 --> 03:31:15,040
um that's kind of the highlights of the

5384
03:31:15,040 --> 03:31:18,479
budget and the timeline's here so I

5385
03:31:18,479 --> 03:31:21,920
won't take time going over that. Um, and

5386
03:31:21,920 --> 03:31:24,720
I'm happy to answer any questions at

5387
03:31:24,720 --> 03:31:25,840
this point.

5388
03:31:25,840 --> 03:31:27,920
>> Andrew,

5389
03:31:27,920 --> 03:31:30,160
>> thank you. Do you want to do Chrissy? Do

5390
03:31:30,160 --> 03:31:32,640
you want to make a motion or something?

5391
03:31:32,640 --> 03:31:34,800
Because we've already bypassed your

5392
03:31:34,800 --> 03:31:35,760
motion.

5393
03:31:35,760 --> 03:31:37,920
>> So, if you have any questions,

5394
03:31:37,920 --> 03:31:39,359
>> maybe what we could do is we can set up

5395
03:31:39,359 --> 03:31:41,600
these appointments um that Shane was

5396
03:31:41,600 --> 03:31:43,920
talking about. He'll we'll send out

5397
03:31:43,920 --> 03:31:45,840
availability and then you guys can sign

5398
03:31:45,840 --> 03:31:47,840
up and then ask those questions. At that

5399
03:31:47,840 --> 03:31:50,319
point, I suggest that I will entertain a

5400
03:31:50,319 --> 03:31:52,160
motion to go into close session at the

5401
03:31:52,160 --> 03:31:55,920
end thereof um conclude or um adjourn

5402
03:31:55,920 --> 03:31:57,040
our public meeting.

5403
03:31:57,040 --> 03:32:00,800
>> Also, just to clarify, mayor, uh you

5404
03:32:00,800 --> 03:32:03,520
want us to make a meeting to go over

5405
03:32:03,520 --> 03:32:06,080
this and send you availabilities for

5406
03:32:06,080 --> 03:32:08,080
some send you availabilities and then

5407
03:32:08,080 --> 03:32:10,000
you guys pick what days you can meet

5408
03:32:10,000 --> 03:32:11,760
with Shane regarding the budget

5409
03:32:11,760 --> 03:32:14,399
>> al together or one by one. one or two at

5410
03:32:14,399 --> 03:32:16,560
a time because Okay. It will not be a

5411
03:32:16,560 --> 03:32:18,080
notice. It'll just be one at a time

5412
03:32:18,080 --> 03:32:19,359
because you'll have different

5413
03:32:19,359 --> 03:32:20,239
>> That's fine.

5414
03:32:20,239 --> 03:32:23,120
>> I'll entertain a motion.

5415
03:32:23,120 --> 03:32:25,439
>> I'll make a motion to move to close

5416
03:32:25,439 --> 03:32:28,239
session for the purpose of

5417
03:32:28,239 --> 03:32:31,359
um Okay. I move to pause the regular

5418
03:32:31,359 --> 03:32:33,279
meeting and move into a closed meeting

5419
03:32:33,279 --> 03:32:34,800
to be held in the conference room at

5420
03:32:34,800 --> 03:32:37,840
city hall to discuss um the purchase,

5421
03:32:37,840 --> 03:32:39,600
exchange, sale, or lease of real

5422
03:32:39,600 --> 03:32:41,600
property.

5423
03:32:41,600 --> 03:32:42,800
Is there any other

5424
03:32:42,800 --> 03:32:44,640
>> And at the end

5425
03:32:44,640 --> 03:32:46,160
>> Okay. And at the end of the closed

5426
03:32:46,160 --> 03:32:48,239
meeting, the open city council meeting

5427
03:32:48,239 --> 03:32:49,120
will be adjourned.

5428
03:32:49,120 --> 03:32:49,920
>> Is there a second?

5429
03:32:49,920 --> 03:32:50,720
>> I'll second.

5430
03:32:50,720 --> 03:32:52,080
>> Okay. It's been moved by Councilwoman

5431
03:32:52,080 --> 03:32:55,120
Hanaman. Seconded by Councilman Rumler.

5432
03:32:55,120 --> 03:32:57,040
Um let's proceed with a roll call vote.

5433
03:32:57,040 --> 03:32:58,800
>> Andrew Young, yes. Bren Ramler, yes.

5434
03:32:58,800 --> 03:32:59,920
>> Jessica Simone, yes.

5435
03:32:59,920 --> 03:33:01,200
>> Sarah Blackwell, yes.

5436
03:33:01,200 --> 03:33:02,560
>> Chrissy Hanaman, yes.

5437
03:33:02,560 --> 03:33:05,120
>> Okay. And I would like to just remind

5438
03:33:05,120 --> 03:33:07,680
everyone, we're only to talk about that.

5439
03:33:07,680 --> 03:33:10,720
Nothing else.

5440
03:33:10,720 --> 03:33:13,120
I know, but that's the only topic. I

5441
03:33:13,120 --> 03:33:17,640
don't want topics on everything else.