1
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:01,680
Okay. Can you hear me?

2
00:00:01,680 --> 00:00:03,360
>> We can hear you.

3
00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,390
>> Okay, great.

4
00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:13,589
» Hello.

5
00:00:13,599 --> 00:00:16,720
» What am I showing on my There we go.

6
00:00:16,720 --> 00:00:19,650
Sorry.

7
00:00:19,650 --> 00:00:21,750
[clears throat]

8
00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,000
» Okay.

9
00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:28,160
We welcome everybody to uh planning

10
00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:29,679
commission.

11
00:00:29,679 --> 00:00:33,120
Uh today is Tuesday, May 5th, and we're

12
00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,440
here at city hall.

13
00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:41,680
And uh let's do a little roll call vote.

14
00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,680
Um, here on planning commission we have

15
00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:47,840
Troy Slade, Michelle Shurmer, John

16
00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:51,039
McCay, myself, Jeff Davis, Greg

17
00:00:51,039 --> 00:00:53,840
Butterfield, and online we have Alan

18
00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:55,760
McDonald.

19
00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,399
And absent night is Suz Wetenberg

20
00:00:58,399 --> 00:01:01,680
apparently. Right. From the city, we

21
00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:06,159
have Heidi Smith and Jason I can't

22
00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:09,520
remember. Jason Jud and Marl Fox in the

23
00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:11,760
back taking notes. And we want to

24
00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:16,240
welcome our newest member of the city.

25
00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:18,880
Uh Kaden Lion is our new city planner.

26
00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:22,159
So we welcome you here today.

27
00:01:22,159 --> 00:01:25,040
>> Thank you. Um let's go ahead and get

28
00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:27,439
started. Um Greg, would you mind

29
00:01:27,439 --> 00:01:30,400
offering a word of prayer and then we'll

30
00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,680
have the pledge of allegiance by Troy

31
00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:35,280
Slade.

32
00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:36,799
Our

33
00:01:36,799 --> 00:01:38,400
dear kind heavenly father, we come

34
00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:39,759
before thee this wonderful night and

35
00:01:39,759 --> 00:01:41,119
give thee thanks for the moisture that

36
00:01:41,119 --> 00:01:42,799
we've received in this beautiful city

37
00:01:42,799 --> 00:01:44,720
alpine where we have the opportunity to

38
00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:47,119
live at this time. We're grateful for

39
00:01:47,119 --> 00:01:49,759
all the members of our city and would

40
00:01:49,759 --> 00:01:51,119
pray and ask that thy spirit might be

41
00:01:51,119 --> 00:01:52,479
with us tonight that we might be able to

42
00:01:52,479 --> 00:01:54,159
have clean minds and bright intellects

43
00:01:54,159 --> 00:01:55,759
so we might be able to discuss things

44
00:01:55,759 --> 00:01:57,840
that are in the best interest of all of

45
00:01:57,840 --> 00:02:00,240
our citizens. And we give thee thanks

46
00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,479
once again for all that we have. And we

47
00:02:02,479 --> 00:02:04,320
say this thanking thee for our country

48
00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:05,759
and our freedoms. And we say this in the

49
00:02:05,759 --> 00:02:07,360
name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

50
00:02:07,360 --> 00:02:08,879
>> Amen.

51
00:02:08,879 --> 00:02:11,360
>> Okay everybody, please rise and follow

52
00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:13,040
me in the pledge.

53
00:02:13,040 --> 00:02:15,920
>> I pledge algiance to the flag of the

54
00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:18,640
United States of America and to the

55
00:02:18,640 --> 00:02:21,760
republic for which it stands. One nation

56
00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:24,959
under God, indivisible, with liberty and

57
00:02:24,959 --> 00:02:30,550
justice for all.

58
00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:34,640
Okay. Um Kaden, we again we welcome you.

59
00:02:34,640 --> 00:02:37,280
Um do you want to just take uh a minute

60
00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:39,920
to introduce yourself

61
00:02:39,920 --> 00:02:42,480
um to the planning commission?

62
00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:45,280
>> Yeah, thank you. So good to meet you

63
00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:46,640
all. I hope to meet you all more

64
00:02:46,640 --> 00:02:49,120
personally as the the days go on. But

65
00:02:49,120 --> 00:02:51,120
yeah, I'm Kaden Lion. I'm from West

66
00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:53,840
Jordan. I was previously with Wasatch

67
00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,879
County as a planner there and just happy

68
00:02:56,879 --> 00:02:58,800
to be here.

69
00:02:58,800 --> 00:03:00,879
>> Okay. Very nice.

70
00:03:00,879 --> 00:03:02,560
>> What?

71
00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:04,879
>> Yeah. Yeah. I was going to say him and

72
00:03:04,879 --> 00:03:06,480
he and Jed traded places.

73
00:03:06,480 --> 00:03:08,879
>> And do you go by Kaden or Kade? Which do

74
00:03:08,879 --> 00:03:13,040
you like? Kaden. All right.

75
00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,840
>> Okay. Um

76
00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:19,200
uh next item. Kaden. We uh there's

77
00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,519
reports and presentations. It says none.

78
00:03:21,519 --> 00:03:25,360
Is there any update to that? We usually

79
00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:26,959
turn the time over to you in case you

80
00:03:26,959 --> 00:03:29,120
have information.

81
00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:30,080
Um,

82
00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,480
>> not there is no update to that. No.

83
00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,159
>> Okay. Okay. Okay. Well, with that, we

84
00:03:36,159 --> 00:03:39,680
will go on to our first item of uh of

85
00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:43,200
the meeting. So, uh, Kaden, if you want

86
00:03:43,200 --> 00:03:47,599
to introduce that to us uh, and then we

87
00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:50,640
can have a discussion.

88
00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:51,840
>> All right. And yeah, thanks for being

89
00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:54,080
here. I know we've had some time off uh

90
00:03:54,080 --> 00:03:56,000
since you guys have last been here. Um

91
00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:57,760
and today it's only one item. So

92
00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,760
hopefully that's a good way to roll back

93
00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,120
into the swing of things. But yeah, so

94
00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:05,360
our item today is the review of the

95
00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,360
Alpine Fire Station edition slashreodel.

96
00:04:09,360 --> 00:04:12,000
Um as as you know, the Alpine Fire

97
00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:13,920
Station just sits here on the same city

98
00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:17,359
block as City Hall. And you all probably

99
00:04:17,359 --> 00:04:19,519
know about the fire station and this

100
00:04:19,519 --> 00:04:21,600
remodel a lot more than I do um since

101
00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:24,479
you've been around here and and seen it.

102
00:04:24,479 --> 00:04:27,199
Um but the reason for this update is

103
00:04:27,199 --> 00:04:29,199
just the city the station is in need of

104
00:04:29,199 --> 00:04:32,320
updating to meet current needs. So, this

105
00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,600
new design proposes mo um modernizing

106
00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:37,759
and expanding the original operational

107
00:04:37,759 --> 00:04:40,160
capacity and converts the existing

108
00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:42,000
structure into a functioning community

109
00:04:42,000 --> 00:04:44,479
center that supports civic gatherings,

110
00:04:44,479 --> 00:04:47,199
events, and public activities. So, as

111
00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:49,440
you can see on your packet up there, um

112
00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,840
the key architectural elements include

113
00:04:51,840 --> 00:04:54,320
the addition, uh which we will see on

114
00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:55,919
the site plan coming up here, what that

115
00:04:55,919 --> 00:04:57,919
looks like, the conversion to the

116
00:04:57,919 --> 00:04:59,199
community center of the current

117
00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:01,759
building, and then the preservation of

118
00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:06,800
the existing apparatus bay. Um the we've

119
00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:08,560
been working with the design team on

120
00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:10,560
this. They've been very sensitive to the

121
00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,479
historic downtown character and wanting

122
00:05:12,479 --> 00:05:15,759
to create a project and an element that

123
00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:18,320
really satisfies the community and meets

124
00:05:18,320 --> 00:05:20,960
all the historic downtown uh design

125
00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,000
guidelines. So, um I know you guys are

126
00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:25,520
trained on those and feel free to

127
00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:27,759
provide comment on those if you if you

128
00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:31,199
see fit. Um but yeah, I would I would

129
00:05:31,199 --> 00:05:33,600
say that they are doing a good job at

130
00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,039
blending the existing and new

131
00:05:35,039 --> 00:05:37,440
architectural forms in their design.

132
00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:39,440
um they have respect for the context of

133
00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:42,479
being here next to city hall and they're

134
00:05:42,479 --> 00:05:44,000
hoping to do it in such a way that

135
00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,400
blends with a potentially future

136
00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:48,880
sculpture garden here as well for the

137
00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,680
landscape plan. [snorts] Um the use of

138
00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,280
materials is p primarily stucco but also

139
00:05:55,280 --> 00:05:58,240
faux wood and a brick veneer. We'll see

140
00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,960
that in the upcoming images.

141
00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:02,960
Um the main thing I would like the

142
00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:05,199
council to to focus on is that the

143
00:06:05,199 --> 00:06:07,919
landscaping plan is not here today. Um

144
00:06:07,919 --> 00:06:10,080
just to keep that in mind because as

145
00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:12,720
they note here it's it will be completed

146
00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:15,520
through a city-led effort. So they plan

147
00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,600
to engage and the city council actually

148
00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,240
had a presentation just last week um to

149
00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:22,319
have a landscape designer for that

150
00:06:22,319 --> 00:06:24,960
sculpture garden and comprehensive

151
00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:29,759
design area right outside here. Um so uh

152
00:06:29,759 --> 00:06:32,880
that is something that as staff we we

153
00:06:32,880 --> 00:06:34,319
believe that they should submit that

154
00:06:34,319 --> 00:06:36,560
before um before the installation of

155
00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,240
landscaping and we recommended that as a

156
00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,319
condition of approval.

157
00:06:40,319 --> 00:06:43,840
Um as far as anything else, I think

158
00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:45,919
that's that's basically the gist of

159
00:06:45,919 --> 00:06:47,199
this. I don't know if any of the

160
00:06:47,199 --> 00:06:49,039
commissioners have any questions up to

161
00:06:49,039 --> 00:06:51,360
this point. Um, we can start looking at

162
00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:54,880
the design if you would like,

163
00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:56,720
but if anyone has any questions, feel

164
00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,880
free to to jump in whenever.

165
00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:02,160
So, like I said, yeah, we would

166
00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:03,520
recommend sending a positive

167
00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,199
recommendation to the city council

168
00:07:05,199 --> 00:07:07,120
regarding the fire station addition and

169
00:07:07,120 --> 00:07:09,280
remodel subject to the condition of a

170
00:07:09,280 --> 00:07:11,039
landscape plan being provided before

171
00:07:11,039 --> 00:07:15,270
landscaping is installed.

172
00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:17,840
» I'm It says who designed it, right?

173
00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,960
Yeah, Babcock Design is the name of the company.

174
00:07:20,960 --> 00:07:22,560
>> You're like an architect firm.

175
00:07:22,560 --> 00:07:26,319
>> Yes, architecture firm. Yeah,

176
00:07:26,319 --> 00:07:28,400
>> we can see that down here. If we scroll

177
00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:33,360
down, this is quite large.

178
00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:39,430
Zoom out a little bit.

179
00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,960
So, here's the 3D rendering of the fire

180
00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:45,120
station. Let me scroll down so you can

181
00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,350
see both those at the same time.

182
00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,240
And yeah, there were really Jason and I

183
00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:53,680
did a comprehensive review of this

184
00:07:53,680 --> 00:07:56,080
project. Um,

185
00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,400
overall we feel like it meets the the

186
00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:01,039
design guidelines for the for the

187
00:08:01,039 --> 00:08:03,840
historic downtown. Like I said earlier

188
00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:07,199
and 311 of the code, also meets the BC

189
00:08:07,199 --> 00:08:09,440
business commercial uh requirements of

190
00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:12,240
the code. Um, there were really minor

191
00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,160
things that we could probably contact

192
00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:17,520
the the designer uh as they pursue a

193
00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,720
building permit to fix, but overall

194
00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,160
everything seems to be in order.

195
00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:25,840
>> Question on the faux wood. Is that

196
00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,759
actual wood that's veneer that's not

197
00:08:27,759 --> 00:08:30,400
going to last long or is it more the

198
00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,440
Trex type wood that is some kind of

199
00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:34,880
other composite?

200
00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,680
>> So, we have samples here to to send

201
00:08:37,680 --> 00:08:39,120
around. I'll just hand them over to you

202
00:08:39,120 --> 00:08:40,719
right now. That was the only one that I

203
00:08:40,719 --> 00:08:41,919
couldn't tell what it was going to look

204
00:08:41,919 --> 00:08:46,870
like.

205
00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:51,430
» So that's the faux wood right there.

206
00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:53,360
» So yeah, we're sending around the brick

207
00:08:53,360 --> 00:08:56,720
kind of style. Um the faux wood material

208
00:08:56,720 --> 00:08:59,680
and then the the roof will be asphalt

209
00:08:59,680 --> 00:09:01,760
shingles, but also a small portion of

210
00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,959
the roof will be metal. Correct.

211
00:09:04,959 --> 00:09:05,279
>> Yes.

212
00:09:05,279 --> 00:09:07,920
>> And that's what's also shown there. I

213
00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:09,440
don't think they provided the sample of

214
00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:11,040
the stucco material that they're going

215
00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,519
to use, but Shane, this Shane Sorenson,

216
00:09:13,519 --> 00:09:14,880
the city administrator, did mention to

217
00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,680
us that it will be completely updated

218
00:09:17,680 --> 00:09:23,110
stucco material

219
00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:25,760
» and the the fascia and sophet will be

220
00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,399
that that metal color as well right

221
00:09:28,399 --> 00:09:28,959
here.

222
00:09:28,959 --> 00:09:32,470
>> Yes.

223
00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,959
And and what what portion? I know there

224
00:09:34,959 --> 00:09:37,760
is some metal on the roof, but because

225
00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,600
of cost, they're like, "We can't do the

226
00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:41,600
whole thing metal." Right.

227
00:09:41,600 --> 00:09:44,320
>> Right. Do you want to show them?

228
00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,800
>> There is a roof plan. It's kind of hard

229
00:09:46,800 --> 00:09:48,720
to see which is which, but we think we

230
00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:57,430
can show you.

231
00:09:57,440 --> 00:09:59,040
Just going to scroll down here. This is

232
00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:04,561
a large plan set

233
00:10:04,571 --> 00:10:08,949
[snorts]

234
00:10:08,959 --> 00:10:16,150
here.

235
00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:18,480
» Yeah, because is faux wood allowed in

236
00:10:18,480 --> 00:10:20,640
the current Gateway Historic District

237
00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:22,160
guidelines? It is,

238
00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:26,240
>> but probably not in the revised

239
00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:28,560
>> the revised guidelines.

240
00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:29,920
I'm not aware of the difference.

241
00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:31,600
>> They're still in the process. All of

242
00:10:31,600 --> 00:10:32,000
that.

243
00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:33,360
>> Oh, you're talking about the the main

244
00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:35,440
street gateway plan. Yeah, that is still

245
00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:37,519
in the process. That is true. So, we are

246
00:10:37,519 --> 00:10:39,279
basing this project based on the

247
00:10:39,279 --> 00:10:41,200
historic gateway guidelines that

248
00:10:41,200 --> 00:10:42,160
currently exist

249
00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,560
>> because we we turned down a faux wood,

250
00:10:44,560 --> 00:10:47,040
but it was a metal faux wood.

251
00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:48,320
>> Yeah. Who was

252
00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:49,120
>> on that

253
00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:49,760
>> fence?

254
00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:51,839
>> That building.

255
00:10:51,839 --> 00:10:53,040
>> That empty lot building.

256
00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:54,480
>> Where is it? Is this it?

257
00:10:54,480 --> 00:10:56,079
>> Yeah. For the

258
00:10:56,079 --> 00:10:57,920
>> across from the Okay.

259
00:10:57,920 --> 00:10:59,600
>> Yep.

260
00:10:59,600 --> 00:11:02,000
>> Yeah, we did.

261
00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:04,640
>> Here's the roof plan. Um, it's not the

262
00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:08,079
clearest drawing, but this material,

263
00:11:08,079 --> 00:11:10,640
this lined material here is the metal.

264
00:11:10,640 --> 00:11:12,640
So on this door entrance right here,

265
00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,839
this portico and then over here in this

266
00:11:15,839 --> 00:11:18,560
entrance area, then the rest is asphalt

267
00:11:18,560 --> 00:11:20,160
shingles.

268
00:11:20,160 --> 00:11:22,240
>> With other people, [snorts]

269
00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:23,680
>> does it feel like the city should

270
00:11:23,680 --> 00:11:25,680
>> I mean, but then we I remember we had a

271
00:11:25,680 --> 00:11:28,480
discussion about being open to new

272
00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:31,600
materials that look like that. I bet but [clears throat]

273
00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:32,079
we never

274
00:11:32,079 --> 00:11:35,990
>> That is the block.

275
00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:39,120
» The mason masonry block.

276
00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,320
>> Yeah. The facade should have three

277
00:11:42,320 --> 00:11:45,040
different materials.

278
00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,720
>> Can you bring the elevation back up?

279
00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:50,000
>> Yeah. One second. I was wondering how

280
00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,079
accurate the colors were.

281
00:11:52,079 --> 00:11:54,000
>> So the whole roof is shingled except for

282
00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,839
this metal corrugated right here.

283
00:11:57,839 --> 00:12:01,430
>> It's like what?

284
00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:09,910
» Yeah.

285
00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:12,399
That shows

286
00:12:12,399 --> 00:12:14,639
a 2022.

287
00:12:14,639 --> 00:12:15,839
>> You're trying to see where do you have

288
00:12:15,839 --> 00:12:19,670
the

289
00:12:19,680 --> 00:12:25,030
» little this little guy.

290
00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,440
» So, what's that?

291
00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,200
>> That's what

292
00:12:29,200 --> 00:12:30,240
>> that's the question.

293
00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:35,030
>> Oh, that one.

294
00:12:35,040 --> 00:12:38,639
Is this the pathway?

295
00:12:38,639 --> 00:12:39,600
>> Hey, Jeff.

296
00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:41,120
>> Yeah. Alan,

297
00:12:41,120 --> 00:12:43,200
>> uh, can I ask a brief question of Kaden?

298
00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,639
>> Yeah. Yeah.

299
00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:47,279
>> Do we know the on the exterior the

300
00:12:47,279 --> 00:12:51,440
elevation the percent coverage of brick

301
00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,519
versus deco versus the faux wood?

302
00:12:55,519 --> 00:12:57,920
because I would echo uh Troy and

303
00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,680
Michelle's comments just to the extent

304
00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:02,880
that uh in the revised Gateway Historic

305
00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,920
District, we're looking for a lot more

306
00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,839
uh red brick uh less deco. I think we're

307
00:13:09,839 --> 00:13:11,839
getting away from any faux wood

308
00:13:11,839 --> 00:13:14,639
materials and we might think about uh

309
00:13:14,639 --> 00:13:18,880
adjusting the external materials used to

310
00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:22,240
include more brick subject to whatever

311
00:13:22,240 --> 00:13:27,680
budget and costing we've already done.

312
00:13:27,680 --> 00:13:30,320
>> Thank Yeah, thank you for that comment.

313
00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,800
>> Is the faux wood and the veneer brick

314
00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:36,320
comparable in price? Do we know?

315
00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:38,639
>> I don't we know that. No, we don't know

316
00:13:38,639 --> 00:13:40,160
that. No.

317
00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,560
>> Was if you could just swap out all the

318
00:13:42,560 --> 00:13:44,800
wood for brick. I don't you know, is

319
00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,959
that about the same ballpark?

320
00:13:48,959 --> 00:13:51,040
>> Yeah. Hey, Michelle, I'm thinking for

321
00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,920
example of I think it's the new

322
00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:56,160
>> is it the new Cedar Hills Fire

323
00:13:56,160 --> 00:13:58,240
Department that is almost all brick.

324
00:13:58,240 --> 00:13:59,600
>> It is completely brick.

325
00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,680
>> Really, really beautiful. And I think

326
00:14:01,680 --> 00:14:03,279
that's something I think that's an

327
00:14:03,279 --> 00:14:05,839
aesthetic we'll be looking for. Even

328
00:14:05,839 --> 00:14:07,920
their remodel of their fire station up

329
00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:11,360
on Canyon Road is mostly brick. They've

330
00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,560
left some of the stucco, I believe, but

331
00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:16,639
because they remodeling their second

332
00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:19,920
fire station.

333
00:14:19,920 --> 00:14:22,800
>> I'm very sensitive to the budget and

334
00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:24,720
what's already been allocated and

335
00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:27,120
budgeted for the project. Uh but to the

336
00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:29,600
extent possible, um I think we would

337
00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:37,590
look for more brick coverage.

338
00:14:37,600 --> 00:14:39,600
Yeah, I'd be fine with I mean I

339
00:14:39,600 --> 00:14:41,360
understand the stuckco because it's

340
00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,480
already there existing a lot of you know

341
00:14:44,480 --> 00:14:46,959
the original building and that will save

342
00:14:46,959 --> 00:14:49,120
money to keep it. But if we could swap

343
00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,040
out the wood for brick, I think that

344
00:14:51,040 --> 00:14:54,079
will go a long way for when we start

345
00:14:54,079 --> 00:14:56,959
making people on Main Street follow

346
00:14:56,959 --> 00:14:58,800
these new guidelines that they don't

347
00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,440
say, "Well, but the city, look what they

348
00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:01,760
did."

349
00:15:01,760 --> 00:15:04,639
>> For sure. For sure.

350
00:15:04,639 --> 00:15:06,240
Alan, there's only one spot where it

351
00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:07,519
looks like you might not be able to do

352
00:15:07,519 --> 00:15:09,040
brick, but you could certainly

353
00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:10,800
substitute

354
00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,040
where the faux wood is above the garage

355
00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,560
doors and make that stuckco and this

356
00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:20,160
could be brick. Uh the entrance way.

357
00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:21,760
>> I don't know. It's easier to look at it

358
00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,560
here. We've got a colored chart that's

359
00:15:24,560 --> 00:15:27,519
>> if you guys want to look at this.

360
00:15:27,519 --> 00:15:28,800
>> So, this one looks like it would be

361
00:15:28,800 --> 00:15:30,480
hard.

362
00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,240
You could put brick up there.

363
00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:34,160
>> You could c That one that could all be

364
00:15:34,160 --> 00:15:35,760
brick

365
00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:37,920
or these pillars could go up higher here

366
00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:40,079
and that could just be stuff going

367
00:15:40,079 --> 00:15:41,600
>> for you. Alan, they're looking at a

368
00:15:41,600 --> 00:15:43,199
print out that

369
00:15:43,199 --> 00:15:45,920
>> on page. It's kind of that page we're on

370
00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:47,279
right now on the screen, right?

371
00:15:47,279 --> 00:15:48,399
>> Yeah, it's the same page.

372
00:15:48,399 --> 00:15:48,959
>> Yeah,

373
00:15:48,959 --> 00:15:52,550
>> the same page.

374
00:15:52,560 --> 00:15:53,680
» I don't know you want to put

375
00:15:53,680 --> 00:15:55,600
>> because this is because this is all this

376
00:15:55,600 --> 00:15:56,800
is all brick, right?

377
00:15:56,800 --> 00:16:01,440
>> This could be brick. And this is already

378
00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:02,800
>> that can all be brick.

379
00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,680
>> Yeah,

380
00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:11,110
>> that's actually

381
00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:13,920
» this. We're saying get rid of get rid of

382
00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:20,710
wood

383
00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:22,240
» on the screen. It's stuckco.

384
00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:23,519
>> Yeah.

385
00:16:23,519 --> 00:16:24,240
>> To me, that's

386
00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,720
>> that's the back side.

387
00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,360
>> The front side.

388
00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:32,000
It's the opposite side where the fire

389
00:16:32,000 --> 00:16:33,440
station

390
00:16:33,440 --> 00:16:38,470
>> when you're ready

391
00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,480
when you guys want to go on again.

392
00:16:40,480 --> 00:16:50,949
>> Yeah. Thank you.

393
00:16:50,959 --> 00:16:53,199
» Okay. What's the difference in the cost?

394
00:16:53,199 --> 00:16:54,560
I mean, when we were going through the

395
00:16:54,560 --> 00:16:56,240
they had all the parts listed out and it

396
00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:57,440
was hard if you're not a construction

397
00:16:57,440 --> 00:16:58,800
person to know all the different parts

398
00:16:58,800 --> 00:16:59,759
and stuff.

399
00:16:59,759 --> 00:17:02,000
>> What's the cost for faux wood versus

400
00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:03,279
brick?

401
00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:04,959
>> Stuckle I'm assuming would be less than

402
00:17:04,959 --> 00:17:06,880
faux wood, but do you have costs on

403
00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:08,720
those per square footage or something?

404
00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:10,240
>> I don't know if we were ever provided

405
00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:14,319
those by the applicant.

406
00:17:14,319 --> 00:17:17,600
Um I I would go along with you and say I

407
00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,760
believe that is why their main material

408
00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:22,640
is stuckco because it is cheaper and

409
00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,079
they are allowed to do that in the

410
00:17:24,079 --> 00:17:25,679
current historic gateway design

411
00:17:25,679 --> 00:17:28,319
guidelines but I don't think they ever

412
00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:30,320
provided us a cost estimate of all this.

413
00:17:30,320 --> 00:17:32,400
>> Yeah. I mean, I listened to at least

414
00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,960
one, if not two, city council meetings

415
00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:38,480
on this and they debated, you know, on

416
00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,679
the funding for this for like like a

417
00:17:41,679 --> 00:17:45,679
couple of hours, you know, and [clears throat]

418
00:17:45,679 --> 00:17:49,200
you know, obviously the cost is an issue

419
00:17:49,200 --> 00:17:51,600
and and they don't know, you know, what

420
00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:53,440
the exact numbers are going to be. They

421
00:17:53,440 --> 00:17:55,280
basically say, okay, here's our budget

422
00:17:55,280 --> 00:17:57,679
and here's our here's our budget and

423
00:17:57,679 --> 00:17:59,840
here's our contingency. Now, we're gonna

424
00:17:59,840 --> 00:18:02,400
send this out to bid. You know, if you

425
00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:05,120
approve this, then they're gonna send

426
00:18:05,120 --> 00:18:06,480
that out to bid and they're gonna get

427
00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,280
those bids back. You know, so they kind

428
00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:11,039
of have a ballpark, but they don't know

429
00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:13,360
exactly. So, asking the question of

430
00:18:13,360 --> 00:18:15,919
like, what's the difference? We don't

431
00:18:15,919 --> 00:18:17,440
know yet.

432
00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:17,760
>> So,

433
00:18:17,760 --> 00:18:18,880
>> and that's not that's not what we're

434
00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,400
being asked, right? No, we're being

435
00:18:20,400 --> 00:18:22,160
asked to render a decision on the

436
00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:22,799
design.

437
00:18:22,799 --> 00:18:25,039
>> Yes. And I and I really and I do really

438
00:18:25,039 --> 00:18:25,520
think

439
00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,200
>> I I think we ought to be agnostic. cost.

440
00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,320
>> Yes, I that and I completely agree,

441
00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,640
John. I think I think really our role is

442
00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,320
to look forward into, you know, we've

443
00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:43,120
spent several months and actually a

444
00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:46,960
couple of years on the Gateway historic

445
00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:49,520
and and and and what we want it to look

446
00:18:49,520 --> 00:18:52,960
like. And so, you know, if we're coming

447
00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:57,679
down to a to a recommendation of, you

448
00:18:57,679 --> 00:19:00,720
know, no stucco or less stucco, very

449
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:03,840
minimum stucco and and more brick, you

450
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:07,039
know, I think that that's, you know,

451
00:19:07,039 --> 00:19:09,840
that's our role as a commission to to

452
00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,120
say, hey, this is what we're thinking

453
00:19:13,120 --> 00:19:15,440
our our Gateway Historic is going to

454
00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,679
look like. And I can't remember who said

455
00:19:17,679 --> 00:19:20,559
it, but you know, this is going to be uh

456
00:19:20,559 --> 00:19:23,360
the first you know that's going to

457
00:19:23,360 --> 00:19:25,840
replicate what we want what the citizens

458
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,320
have provided feedback for what we've

459
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,919
spent all this effort in and so you know

460
00:19:31,919 --> 00:19:34,960
as a model [laughter]

461
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:41,039
I I don't think what I don't think what we want is to

462
00:19:41,039 --> 00:19:43,120
like John was saying you know like oh

463
00:19:43,120 --> 00:19:45,520
well budget-wise we should allow this

464
00:19:45,520 --> 00:19:47,679
and then all a sudden becomes a well

465
00:19:47,679 --> 00:19:49,120
look what the city did look what the

466
00:19:49,120 --> 00:19:50,960
firehouse house, you know, I I want

467
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,960
that. Well, you can't have that. So, I

468
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,600
think we want to avoid that for the

469
00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,559
future, you know, and so the the

470
00:19:58,559 --> 00:20:01,520
budgeting obviously is not our purview.

471
00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:03,840
It's not our responsibility. Our

472
00:20:03,840 --> 00:20:06,799
responsibility is from a planning

473
00:20:06,799 --> 00:20:11,360
standpoint and adherence to not just

474
00:20:11,360 --> 00:20:14,799
>> right today, you know, May 5th, but

475
00:20:14,799 --> 00:20:16,880
>> what what it's going to what we want it

476
00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,000
to look like for the next you know, few

477
00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,840
decades.

478
00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:22,640
>> Hey, Jeff.

479
00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,000
>> Yeah, Alan.

480
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,559
>> Yeah. Yeah. 100% on what you and John

481
00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:28,720
said. And I mean, you know, there's been

482
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:29,919
a number of us that have been involved

483
00:20:29,919 --> 00:20:31,520
with this for six, seven, eight, nine

484
00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:34,640
years. And I I mean, I just think the

485
00:20:34,640 --> 00:20:37,120
faux wood is an absolute non-starter.

486
00:20:37,120 --> 00:20:40,240
And then it's just a a mix of as much

487
00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,400
brick as we can get. I understand maybe

488
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,640
some existing stucco and and two things.

489
00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:49,600
I think you nailed it with then how does

490
00:20:49,600 --> 00:20:50,320
that [clears throat] work with the

491
00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:53,679
budgeting and the cost that's a uh you

492
00:20:53,679 --> 00:20:57,840
know mayor and city council and uh you

493
00:20:57,840 --> 00:20:59,360
know administrative folks within the

494
00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:01,520
city that's their purview to figure that

495
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,120
out what the materials are that would

496
00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:05,840
meet budget and also meet the design

497
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,320
guidelines that that we're recommending

498
00:21:08,320 --> 00:21:10,400
and then I think what you were referring

499
00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:12,480
to is Michelle's comments earlier which

500
00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:15,679
I 100% agree with that these this is one

501
00:21:15,679 --> 00:21:19,520
of the first buildings going in and um I

502
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:21,360
think we need to meet our own

503
00:21:21,360 --> 00:21:23,360
expectations, our own guidelines. As

504
00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:25,120
Michelle said, it's tough to expect

505
00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:27,919
other people to follow when we as a city

506
00:21:27,919 --> 00:21:28,720
do not.

507
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,200
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I I agree, Alan. And

508
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:35,919
again, just to reiterate, uh our role is

509
00:21:35,919 --> 00:21:38,799
blank and and and we should make a

510
00:21:38,799 --> 00:21:41,679
recommendation that is consistent with

511
00:21:41,679 --> 00:21:46,320
what our role is. So,

512
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:48,400
Um,

513
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:53,190
so remind me

514
00:21:53,200 --> 00:21:56,480
the faux wood is is really not being

515
00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:01,360
considered for the future gate gateway

516
00:22:01,360 --> 00:22:04,000
standard material standards. I can't I

517
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,080
mean I didn't review that before

518
00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,559
tonight, you know, but

519
00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:09,679
>> I remember we had

520
00:22:09,679 --> 00:22:13,360
>> No, it's it's not. We were looking at uh

521
00:22:13,360 --> 00:22:15,200
essentially red brick and kind of that

522
00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:21,039
Midwest prairie style um rectangular

523
00:22:21,039 --> 00:22:23,440
black framed windows

524
00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:27,200
>> and then some stucco as well would be

525
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,120
permissible. I don't think we were

526
00:22:29,120 --> 00:22:33,679
looking at any trex type sighting,

527
00:22:33,679 --> 00:22:36,080
decking,

528
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,360
uh, faux wood, anything like that in

529
00:22:39,360 --> 00:22:43,200
the, uh, recommendations that we've been

530
00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:45,600
through over the last weeks and months

531
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,039
and really years.

532
00:22:47,039 --> 00:22:51,120
>> Um, just so you know, the process hasn't

533
00:22:51,120 --> 00:22:52,799
gotten to that point at the city

534
00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:55,520
council. So, at that's the the

535
00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:57,600
communication issue. Sure. So, I would

536
00:22:57,600 --> 00:22:59,520
encourage you to communicate that with

537
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,360
your motion or whatever you do at the

538
00:23:01,360 --> 00:23:02,000
end of this.

539
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:02,720
>> Yeah, that's a good point.

540
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,799
>> And make sure that you're going to to

541
00:23:04,799 --> 00:23:06,720
incorporate because when they get to

542
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:08,799
that point in city council and they

543
00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:11,120
consider what you guys had said in your

544
00:23:11,120 --> 00:23:13,840
meeting, it should be noted.

545
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:22,070
>> Yes. And even the even the plan from the

546
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:25,919
» the the plan that was developed by the

547
00:23:25,919 --> 00:23:27,440
grant people. What are we

548
00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,360
>> main street?

549
00:23:29,360 --> 00:23:31,840
Yeah. The even in that one before we

550
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:33,760
modified it, this still wouldn't have

551
00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,200
fit because it was 20%

552
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:40,720
>> minimum and this is more than 20%

553
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,520
uh can be an alternate material. Even

554
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,840
the recommendation from the the firm,

555
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,039
uh, this would still fail that one.

556
00:23:51,039 --> 00:23:51,840
>> Where is this?

557
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,320
>> We never got an answer. We don't know.

558
00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:58,960
>> Do we don't know where where this goes,

559
00:23:58,960 --> 00:24:03,590
Alan? I'm holding up some like

560
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,000
rock thing.

561
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:10,230
>> Yeah.

562
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:13,440
some mookie.

563
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,520
This plan that Jason's looking at wasn't

564
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,840
included in their massive packet we have

565
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,880
here, but I think that is where it shows

566
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:22,799
the

567
00:24:22,799 --> 00:24:26,549
that material.

568
00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:28,159
» This little granite piece,

569
00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:29,600
>> correct? Yeah.

570
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,159
>> Yeah. Because it's brick and stone,

571
00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:35,679
right? So, stone is part of

572
00:24:35,679 --> 00:24:38,320
our design standards.

573
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:39,520
I thought there might have been some

574
00:24:39,520 --> 00:24:42,000
corner stones as part of the design.

575
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:43,200
>> Some coins or something,

576
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:44,159
>> but there's not.

577
00:24:44,159 --> 00:24:44,640
>> Yeah.

578
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,400
>> Okay.

579
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,919
>> That doesn't look like Is that a real

580
00:24:47,919 --> 00:24:49,360
stone or is that just concrete?

581
00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:50,320
>> Right.

582
00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:54,720
>> So, it looks like it's um like CMU block

583
00:24:54,720 --> 00:24:57,360
a diff not just the standard gray. It's

584
00:24:57,360 --> 00:24:59,520
a different color. And there is one

585
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,799
little line on here that says CMU block.

586
00:25:02,799 --> 00:25:06,000
Um where exactly that is on the plan, I

587
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,080
don't know. It's not on the thing, but

588
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:09,919
>> a lot of that's so little it was hard to

589
00:25:09,919 --> 00:25:11,840
see for sure.

590
00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:37,947
>> But that's what it looks like. It is.

591
00:25:37,957 --> 00:25:41,190
» [snorts]

592
00:25:41,200 --> 00:26:06,149
» What does motion look like?

593
00:26:06,159 --> 00:26:10,000
Okay, I think

594
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:13,840
>> yeah, I mean it it does, you know, the

595
00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,480
faux wood obviously we can see where

596
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,080
that goes, but we don't know where this

597
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:21,200
is. So, it's kind of hard for us to go.

598
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,120
You know what I would hate to happen is

599
00:26:23,120 --> 00:26:26,480
like we don't mention it or we don't,

600
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,080
you know, and it gets on there and like,

601
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,000
well, it got way got past planning

602
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:31,520
commission. We're like, well, we didn't

603
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,633
even know where that was supposed to go.

604
00:26:33,633 --> 00:26:34,240
[laughter]

605
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,400
>> Yeah. Hey, hey, Jeff. You know, and

606
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,159
commission, we're kind of in a weird

607
00:26:38,159 --> 00:26:41,520
place because this is coming to us in

608
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,960
the interim between when we've looked at

609
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,080
the uh

610
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,240
report that was generated for us, for

611
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,400
lack of a better term, the master plan,

612
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:53,760
>> it's not really the master plan, but

613
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,360
whatever, right? The but the grant got

614
00:26:55,360 --> 00:26:56,480
us the recommendations.

615
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:57,039
>> Yeah.

616
00:26:57,039 --> 00:26:59,760
>> And we looked at that extensively

617
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,240
>> and exhaustively and then we made

618
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,159
certain recommendations, right? remember

619
00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:06,000
we took that kind of chapter by chapter.

620
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:06,320
>> Yeah.

621
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,960
>> And we made recommendations to the city

622
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:10,880
council on that portion and it just

623
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,640
sounds like they haven't yet taken it

624
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,720
up. But I don't think we can do more

625
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:19,039
today than like than be consistent with

626
00:27:19,039 --> 00:27:21,279
the recommendations that for materials

627
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:23,360
in the Gateway Historic District that we

628
00:27:23,360 --> 00:27:26,960
made uh with respect to review of that

629
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,159
grant plan. Um, and I think that's what

630
00:27:30,159 --> 00:27:33,200
our recommendation today should be for

631
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,600
materials consistent with what we

632
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,720
recommended to the city council. Now,

633
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:40,480
they haven't yet taken that up. Perhaps

634
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,720
they'll want to expand more or less the

635
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,880
materials pallet that we recommended.

636
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:46,559
But I think all we can do is be

637
00:27:46,559 --> 00:27:48,240
consistent, which is something that we

638
00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:50,640
just have not had in the past.

639
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:55,200
>> Yes. Yeah. And I think as as clear as we

640
00:27:55,200 --> 00:27:57,120
can be

641
00:27:57,120 --> 00:28:00,559
on, you know, I'm just reviewing

642
00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:04,240
uh because it was our last planning

643
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,039
commission that that those design

644
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:09,440
standards

645
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:12,080
that we wrote, right, that we provided

646
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,399
that that feedback.

647
00:28:14,399 --> 00:28:19,039
So I don't want to shortcut the whole

648
00:28:19,039 --> 00:28:20,640
presentation. There's lots of other

649
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:26,159
stuff to look at. Are you recommending Allan that uh maybe denial

650
00:28:26,159 --> 00:28:28,159
because we don't have that we're in that

651
00:28:28,159 --> 00:28:31,679
gap or being more specific to approve

652
00:28:31,679 --> 00:28:34,080
and then just spell out all the

653
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:36,320
specifics relative to the historic

654
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,000
district material and those kinds of

655
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:44,789
things?

656
00:28:44,799 --> 00:28:47,279
Well, I guess Greg, I would just say

657
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:50,480
more the latter because

658
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:52,480
um

659
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,080
there's been so much work and effort

660
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,559
that's gone into

661
00:28:56,559 --> 00:29:01,360
architectural design and um

662
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:05,039
the community center, upgrading the

663
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:06,799
actual facilities for the fire

664
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:09,039
department. bring the building, you

665
00:29:09,039 --> 00:29:11,840
know, into the the 21st century and

666
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:13,679
beyond, you know, for the next 50 years.

667
00:29:13,679 --> 00:29:15,600
So, I don't know that all of that is

668
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:17,600
necessarily in our purview. There's

669
00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:19,760
already been so much work done on it.

670
00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,720
Um, I think for the most part what

671
00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:24,320
really would be incumbent on us, I mean,

672
00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:28,240
correct me if I'm wrong, is is just how

673
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:33,440
will this building impact and fit into

674
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,520
and become a part of and maybe even a

675
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:37,760
cornerstone for the Gateway Historic

676
00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,679
District going forward and the

677
00:29:39,679 --> 00:29:41,520
architectural details and look that that

678
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,039
we're seeking.

679
00:29:43,039 --> 00:29:46,080
>> Yeah. So, I probably uh didn't

680
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:47,520
communicate that clearly. I'm not saying

681
00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,480
deny the process. It's just

682
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,799
pause or deny approving the proposal

683
00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,600
today until you get some more definitive

684
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,080
stuff, I guess.

685
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:02,310
>> Okay.

686
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:02,720
» Can I

687
00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:04,399
>> Well, with respect to that, Greg, I

688
00:30:04,399 --> 00:30:06,480
Yeah, I don't know if there's any I

689
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:08,559
mean, look, I would be fine with that. I

690
00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:12,240
don't Maybe Kaden has some insights. um

691
00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:14,320
or Jason, I don't know if there's any

692
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,200
particular timeline associated with this

693
00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:19,760
where we need to go ahead and move this

694
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:22,320
uh forward to the city council for the

695
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:25,679
next phase. Um I'm just not sure what

696
00:30:25,679 --> 00:30:28,640
part of the project really requires our

697
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,919
input except for its consistency with

698
00:30:31,919 --> 00:30:34,000
the Gateway Historic District guidelines

699
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:36,480
that we are

700
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,440
seeking to implement.

701
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,440
>> Okay. I um I'm reading [clears throat]

702
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:44,559
over the notes of the last planning

703
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,520
commission where I was absent.

704
00:30:47,520 --> 00:30:50,399
And here's the motion

705
00:30:50,399 --> 00:30:52,799
that says Michelle Shurmer moved to

706
00:30:52,799 --> 00:30:54,960
recommend tableabling the Main Street

707
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,200
corridor gateway

708
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:00,000
historic design standards until future

709
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,799
comp compilation with the following

710
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:05,840
conditions. One, the building style be

711
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:07,679
considered for our gateway historic

712
00:31:07,679 --> 00:31:11,520
district as Utah historic traditional

713
00:31:11,520 --> 00:31:15,360
and two remove secondary materials

714
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,640
totally from the design plan. Materials

715
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,520
that will be allowed for construction on

716
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,360
Main Street would be red brick, wood,

717
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:31,190
and black framed windows.

718
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:35,279
So, so that seems to go against contrary

719
00:31:35,279 --> 00:31:39,120
to what we've discussed tonight on the

720
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:41,840
faux wood.

721
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,000
Is it just because it's fake wood and

722
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,880
not real wood? Is that the Is that the

723
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,799
issue or

724
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:51,519
are we saying something different than

725
00:31:51,519 --> 00:31:53,919
what you guys discussed

726
00:31:53,919 --> 00:31:56,640
back in March?

727
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,519
Well, my recollection on that, Jeff, uh,

728
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:02,240
and you can, you know, be interested to

729
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:04,480
see what Michelle or others recall is

730
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:07,200
that we were thinking about wood as far

731
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,600
as some, you know, look, I'm not an

732
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:12,720
architect, but, um, as you would have

733
00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,000
some perhaps some support beams, uh,

734
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,919
with with

735
00:32:17,919 --> 00:32:20,960
metal like with medical canopy or metal

736
00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,720
canopies, whatever you call those types

737
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,480
of, um, you know, like like dormer

738
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:30,000
windows or or metal, you know, metal. I

739
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,559
keep saying wood. Sorry, wood.

740
00:32:32,559 --> 00:32:34,080
>> Timber frame, I think, is what you're

741
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:34,559
looking for.

742
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:36,399
>> Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Timber. Yeah, there

743
00:32:36,399 --> 00:32:37,200
you go. Okay.

744
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,399
>> Timber frame supporting architectural

745
00:32:40,399 --> 00:32:42,480
design elements. Okay. that you might

746
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,480
find in a, you know, if you went up and

747
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,039
down, for example, old histo, you know,

748
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:52,159
historic uh Heber or other places where

749
00:32:52,159 --> 00:32:56,960
you see those types of of real wood um

750
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,279
design elements

751
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:02,559
>> consistent with prairie or Utah

752
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:04,799
traditional or whatever we kind of

753
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:08,000
wanted to call that historical red brick

754
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,720
Utah look. Okay. So, we can't

755
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:15,760
necessarily go back and modify those

756
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,559
minutes. I guess we could,

757
00:33:18,559 --> 00:33:22,080
but maybe in our motion today, we

758
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:24,880
clarify

759
00:33:24,880 --> 00:33:28,000
the use of wood

760
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,080
from an ar from an architectural

761
00:33:30,080 --> 00:33:33,120
standpoint and not oh, red book, red

762
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:37,200
brick, wood, and black framed windows

763
00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:40,000
because I read if I'm reading that then

764
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,159
I'm like, well, then what's the problem

765
00:33:42,159 --> 00:33:45,600
with with this wood here?

766
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:46,880
think it's fault.

767
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,760
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and again, so

768
00:33:49,760 --> 00:33:51,679
that that was my question to Allan to

769
00:33:51,679 --> 00:33:54,000
begin with was, is it just the fact that

770
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:58,399
it was fake wood rather than real wood?

771
00:33:58,399 --> 00:34:01,120
So I I remember we did have a

772
00:34:01,120 --> 00:34:03,600
conversation about

773
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:05,840
um you know because new technologies

774
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:08,800
come out, new wood type things come out

775
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,879
and it sort of to kind of keep open to

776
00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:13,760
those but we never really

777
00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,480
>> said how we were going to do that. And

778
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:20,800
the current code says innovative

779
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:24,320
applications for these non-conforming

780
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:30,399
materials could be considered. Um I just don't like it. I mean what we're

781
00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:35,200
trying to avoid is prefab looking. Um

782
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,599
and this could be vinyl as easily as it

783
00:34:37,599 --> 00:34:38,960
could be a composite material.

784
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:42,079
>> Yes. Yes. Yes.

785
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:44,000
>> And so it just it just isn't the

786
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:45,919
aesthetic we're looking for.

787
00:34:45,919 --> 00:34:49,760
Okay. So, we have up on the screen from

788
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:53,679
directly from the um

789
00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:56,480
design guidelines that we've already

790
00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:59,760
talked about. The use of stone, brick,

791
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:02,880
wood, or stucco is encouraged for use as

792
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:06,640
a primary exterior material.

793
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,280
Innovative use of materials that mimic

794
00:35:09,280 --> 00:35:12,880
the primary exterior materials may be

795
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,630
considered.

796
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,040
We considered it and we said no.

797
00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:21,839
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, exactly. You know, and

798
00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:23,520
so

799
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:26,870
um

800
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:30,079
yeah, I don't know. I mean,

801
00:35:30,079 --> 00:35:32,640
I believe, correct me if I'm wrong,

802
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,200
Kaden. Uh, and you may not know, but uh,

803
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,280
the city council will go through another

804
00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,800
meeting where they will look at our

805
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,800
recommendations

806
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,320
that will go back to the designers for

807
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,040
one final

808
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:50,880
uh, revision.

809
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,280
Does that come back to us for final

810
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,000
approval and recommendations to the city

811
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,680
council for adoption?

812
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,400
So from what I understand today would be

813
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:07,040
to approve the site plan as is.

814
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:09,760
>> No, I'm talking about the I'm talking

815
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:11,599
about the gateway.

816
00:36:11,599 --> 00:36:14,240
>> Oh, the gateway small area plan for Main

817
00:36:14,240 --> 00:36:15,280
Street. Is that what you're talking

818
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:15,680
about?

819
00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:17,760
>> Yeah. Does that come back to us after

820
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:20,720
this last revision that we're we're

821
00:36:20,720 --> 00:36:22,720
going to send that city council is going

822
00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:25,040
to take our recommendations?

823
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,520
They've done part of that. They're going

824
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,040
to take all of that. They're going to

825
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:31,760
give that to those people. They will

826
00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:34,000
make those changes and then it'll come

827
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:36,720
back for adoption. Does that come back

828
00:36:36,720 --> 00:36:41,040
to us for final

829
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:42,079
>> recommendation?

830
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:45,520
>> From Yeah, I I think at this point it

831
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:47,280
stays in the hands of the city council

832
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:48,640
from what I understand.

833
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:49,040
>> Okay.

834
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:50,640
>> Um they are taking obviously into

835
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,079
consideration all the recommendations

836
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:53,520
the planning commission made.

837
00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:54,400
>> Okay.

838
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,119
um and they will send it back to the

839
00:36:57,119 --> 00:36:59,359
consultant for one final update.

840
00:36:59,359 --> 00:36:59,680
>> Okay.

841
00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:02,320
>> And then they will see that final update

842
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,000
and adopt us. Okay. That that was my

843
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:05,200
question.

844
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,079
>> So Jeff,

845
00:37:06,079 --> 00:37:07,680
>> yes, Alan,

846
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,160
>> do we know then

847
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:11,920
one of our options would be and I think

848
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,400
perhaps Greg brought this up. One of our

849
00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:17,520
options would be to table

850
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:19,839
uh our ultimate recommendation on this

851
00:37:19,839 --> 00:37:23,359
to the city council until city council

852
00:37:23,359 --> 00:37:27,440
reviews our small area plan revisions

853
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,160
and recommendations. And then once they

854
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,200
consider the small area plan and the

855
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:34,880
recommendations and revisions that we

856
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,280
made um and we then have more concrete

857
00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:42,400
guidance on that. Is it would it be

858
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:45,520
worthwhile to then review this

859
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:50,240
uh particular agenda item after we get a

860
00:37:50,240 --> 00:37:52,000
little more uh guidance from the city

861
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:55,839
council or is this something that uh you

862
00:37:55,839 --> 00:37:58,480
know needs to move from planning

863
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,760
commission onto city council right away?

864
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:03,440
That I just don't know.

865
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:07,520
>> Yeah. Yeah. I I I guess if it's that the

866
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,480
city will make final recommendations

867
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,400
next week on the 12th and it comes back

868
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:14,720
to us on the 19th,

869
00:38:14,720 --> 00:38:17,280
maybe that's okay.

870
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,359
So, from what I understand, and I'm new

871
00:38:19,359 --> 00:38:21,680
in this process as well, but I think

872
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:23,680
this is trying to be pushed along as

873
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:24,960
quickly as possible.

874
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:29,359
>> Yeah. Um, and just as a reminder, I love

875
00:38:29,359 --> 00:38:31,359
the small area plan from what I've I've

876
00:38:31,359 --> 00:38:34,079
looked into it so far and think it's

877
00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,079
awesome to always consider that because

878
00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:37,760
that is our future going in here in

879
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:40,400
Alpine hopefully, fingers crossed. But

880
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,000
the applicant did submit this

881
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:44,160
application based on the guidelines that

882
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:47,119
are currently existing and so to require

883
00:38:47,119 --> 00:38:50,079
those guidelines would be against code

884
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,320
as of right now.

885
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:58,310
So just to keep that in mind.

886
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:00,320
» Yeah. But the but the applicant is

887
00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:02,079
basically the city.

888
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,480
>> Oh well on the pet on the petition it

889
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,079
says Babcock.

890
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:07,520
>> It's architect or whatever.

891
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:09,599
>> Yeah. It's the architectural

892
00:39:09,599 --> 00:39:10,079
>> city.

893
00:39:10,079 --> 00:39:10,480
>> Yes.

894
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:10,880
>> Yeah.

895
00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,320
>> He works for the city. Yeah.

896
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:13,520
>> Yeah.

897
00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:17,040
I don't I'm sorry Kaden. I don't I

898
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:19,359
don't think that's the criteria for

899
00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:21,040
recommendation.

900
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,320
Yeah,

901
00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:25,359
>> I I I think we can't be at this juncture

902
00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:28,000
and not u

903
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:29,839
>> at least

904
00:39:29,839 --> 00:39:33,119
do our best to incorporate the things

905
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:34,880
that we've already recommended in that

906
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:36,720
plan.

907
00:39:36,720 --> 00:39:38,320
>> Well, that's a fair comment. I I was

908
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:39,520
just bringing that up saying the

909
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,000
applicant submitted this based on what

910
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,079
the current requirements are

911
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:46,320
>> and so the planning commission is open

912
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,760
to whatever they want to consider. They

913
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,240
missed they whole design was based on

914
00:39:50,240 --> 00:39:51,920
our current ordinance

915
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,200
>> and and that was a bad move.

916
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,400
>> Yeah. For us planning commission.

917
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,400
>> Yeah. And and you know we can't fault

918
00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:05,359
the architect or Babcock that is what they've had to work with. But that

919
00:40:05,359 --> 00:40:08,480
whole process is in flux. We we have a

920
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:10,880
grant and we have this small area plan

921
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:12,640
and then once we have that small area

922
00:40:12,640 --> 00:40:14,400
plan finalized. It's not a binding

923
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,800
document but the next thing we will do

924
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,040
is work on our gateway historic district

925
00:40:19,040 --> 00:40:22,079
design guidelines to bring it it much

926
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:23,920
more in compliance with the

927
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:27,599
recommendations that we have um

928
00:40:27,599 --> 00:40:31,040
considered at length in that small area

929
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:31,920
plan. Right.

930
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,079
>> Yeah. And I just I just can't echo

931
00:40:34,079 --> 00:40:35,599
strongly enough the comments that have

932
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:37,119
been made, you know, that that started

933
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:40,640
by Michelle that like like there's a lot

934
00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,079
of money going to this building. It's

935
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:43,760
going to be, you know, a flagship city

936
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,400
building for the next 50 years, if the

937
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,320
last one is any indication.

938
00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:51,599
>> Um and it should set the standard for

939
00:40:51,599 --> 00:40:54,880
what we want the rest of Main Street

940
00:40:54,880 --> 00:40:56,880
historic district to look like going

941
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:57,440
forward.

942
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,640
>> I agree. So, um, yeah, I I I think

943
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:02,319
we're, you know, we measure twice and

944
00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:03,359
cut once on this one.

945
00:41:03,359 --> 00:41:03,760
>> Yeah,

946
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:05,680
>> that was my question. Do you deny it

947
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:07,760
until some of the stuff gets flushed out

948
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,240
or do you try to motion to approve it

949
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:12,079
and then identify all the stuff that

950
00:41:12,079 --> 00:41:12,640
we've talked?

951
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:14,960
>> Yeah. Well, my understanding, Greg, is

952
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,440
if we deny it doesn't come back to us.

953
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,760
>> That's just a recommendation that we

954
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,040
deny, you know, and

955
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,960
>> want to deny the fire station. Do we

956
00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:28,400
want to have a motion that identifies

957
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:30,000
all the stuff we've talked about. Are we

958
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,560
capable of doing that tonight or do we

959
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,319
postpone it until the the small area

960
00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:38,800
planhistoric district material plan is

961
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:41,359
finalized by the city council to then

962
00:41:41,359 --> 00:41:43,280
make sure that when we spend all the

963
00:41:43,280 --> 00:41:45,839
money it's the corner of Alpine. It's

964
00:41:45,839 --> 00:41:49,520
next to the building that it's Alpine

965
00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,520
residents are going to say, "Yeah, this

966
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:53,520
fits what I wanted and it's not going to

967
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,760
be bunch of frustrated citizens."

968
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,520
>> Yeah. So that that's why I pose the

969
00:41:57,520 --> 00:42:02,079
question if the city can

970
00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:03,599
provide

971
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:05,599
their

972
00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:08,480
stamp of approval next week and it comes

973
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,560
back to us,

974
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:13,520
we can make a decision.

975
00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:20,319
So I I think that's the question is can we make a recommendation

976
00:42:20,319 --> 00:42:23,520
today not knowing

977
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:27,200
the city could could totally you know

978
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:31,599
not totally but in part disregard

979
00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,319
>> disregard our recommendation. My my

980
00:42:34,319 --> 00:42:36,560
sense is the way their meetings have

981
00:42:36,560 --> 00:42:38,960
been running at city council, they'll

982
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,839
never have time to review the small area

983
00:42:41,839 --> 00:42:43,440
plan.

984
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,599
>> We did do the first part.

985
00:42:45,599 --> 00:42:46,240
>> Yeah. Okay.

986
00:42:46,240 --> 00:42:46,960
>> This last time.

987
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:47,200
>> Yeah.

988
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:49,119
>> So, what's what's the cadence on the

989
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:50,800
rest of it?

990
00:42:50,800 --> 00:42:54,160
>> There will at least be two to four more

991
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,480
reviews of that plan before sending back

992
00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,839
to the consultant. Yeah.

993
00:42:57,839 --> 00:43:00,079
>> In a couple months. To be honest, the

994
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:02,720
part that was discussed was the least

995
00:43:02,720 --> 00:43:04,400
controversial themes.

996
00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:04,720
>> Yes.

997
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:07,040
>> And so it's hard to estimate the time

998
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,319
that will be involved.

999
00:43:08,319 --> 00:43:10,880
>> Yeah. And so it put it puts us as a

1000
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:12,800
planning commission

1001
00:43:12,800 --> 00:43:16,640
in in a in a bind because

1002
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:19,440
we've discussed at at length over the

1003
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,319
last several months and and we've made

1004
00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:24,480
recommendations. Now, we're at a point

1005
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:26,319
where we're being asked to approve

1006
00:43:26,319 --> 00:43:29,599
something that we don't feel

1007
00:43:29,599 --> 00:43:33,119
>> meets the future

1008
00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:35,680
guidelines that we that we as a planning

1009
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,400
commission are going to hold our gateway

1010
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:39,680
historic to.

1011
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:41,359
>> Right.

1012
00:43:41,359 --> 00:43:43,200
>> So,

1013
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:44,000
it does

1014
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:47,839
>> be it does put it does put us in in a

1015
00:43:47,839 --> 00:43:49,440
bind. So, I guess we could

1016
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:50,800
>> I think we can make a motion with

1017
00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:52,560
conditions. Yeah. Just incorporate.

1018
00:43:52,560 --> 00:43:54,400
That's the most efficient.

1019
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,800
>> Yeah, I agree with that, John.

1020
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,560
>> All right. Who's going to do that?

1021
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:01,040
>> Well, yeah, because you can also fail it

1022
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:02,720
on number two.

1023
00:44:02,720 --> 00:44:04,079
>> Any

1024
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:07,839
>> Okay. Is there Is there any other

1025
00:44:07,839 --> 00:44:09,920
design stuff? We've only talked about

1026
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,040
the faux wood and the stucco. Is there

1027
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,920
any other aspects

1028
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,480
of the design of the community center

1029
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:22,069
andor firehouse

1030
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:25,920
» that we want to include in this motion?

1031
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:27,520
>> Jeff, can I just add one thing real

1032
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:30,560
quick? I did find where the CMU block

1033
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:31,520
is.

1034
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,520
>> That'll be on the interior. Like they're

1035
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:35,280
making the building of that, but you'll

1036
00:44:35,280 --> 00:44:37,040
see that on the interior.

1037
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:37,440
>> Okay.

1038
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:39,599
>> So, I don't care. So, outside you won't

1039
00:44:39,599 --> 00:44:40,960
see it. It's just the inside.

1040
00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,040
>> Okay. Okay. Those firefighters are going

1041
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:45,530
to have to deal with it. It's durable.

1042
00:44:45,530 --> 00:44:46,960
[clears throat]

1043
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,079
>> Yeah.

1044
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:54,079
>> So, is is there any in your review this

1045
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:56,800
last few days, is there anything other

1046
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,280
than what we've discussed that you want

1047
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,599
that anybody any commissioner wants to

1048
00:45:01,599 --> 00:45:03,440
bring up

1049
00:45:03,440 --> 00:45:08,079
with regards to the style

1050
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:12,640
or the material or the colors?

1051
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,599
I my only thought is if we're making a

1052
00:45:15,599 --> 00:45:18,880
big deal about black frame windows, do

1053
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:20,720
we want to make sure that the door

1054
00:45:20,720 --> 00:45:24,240
frames and the garage doors are also

1055
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:27,119
black?

1056
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:29,119
>> That's I had that thought as well.

1057
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:30,960
>> Is it all going to be smoky glass?

1058
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,960
>> Yeah, but the frame in the in the

1059
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,880
illustration, they're using aluminum

1060
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:38,640
framing for the for the uh

1061
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,359
>> I mean architectural I mean it it's kind

1062
00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:43,680
of boring. I think I think I think some

1063
00:45:43,680 --> 00:45:48,000
elements could really, you know,

1064
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:50,560
>> some some

1065
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,880
timbers or some

1066
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,520
>> Yeah, I think doors are probably black.

1067
00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,200
>> Kind of hang up the Yeah. awning type

1068
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:57,599
things.

1069
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,480
>> These I don't know if

1070
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,920
some dimension or something, but

1071
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,200
>> consistency.

1072
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,680
>> Yeah. If you want to be on the record,

1073
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,000
you got to talk to the mic. [laughter]

1074
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,520
>> I'm thinking that the garage doors being

1075
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:12,960
black would add more interest to the

1076
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:18,309
design. Just my opinion.

1077
00:46:18,319 --> 00:46:21,200
» Okay. So, color

1078
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:22,160
materials.

1079
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:23,680
>> Well, color and just some maybe some

1080
00:46:23,680 --> 00:46:26,560
elements like uh um I mean we we

1081
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:29,920
required uh like Alpine Fitness to have

1082
00:46:29,920 --> 00:46:32,079
those what do you call them? Awnings.

1083
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:34,160
those awnings kind of thing or some

1084
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,839
timbers or something like that to add

1085
00:46:35,839 --> 00:46:39,599
some more some dimension to it maybe or

1086
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:41,680
I don't know that's just me personally

1087
00:46:41,680 --> 00:46:48,470
but it looks pretty vanilla [laughter]

1088
00:46:48,480 --> 00:46:55,030
» we are talking about sighting

1089
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,119
» but

1090
00:46:57,119 --> 00:46:59,599
yeah I I would probably reiterate what

1091
00:46:59,599 --> 00:47:02,079
Michelle said that you you know, our

1092
00:47:02,079 --> 00:47:06,000
neighboring cities have updated and it

1093
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,160
looks really nice.

1094
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,000
>> I I think it's as simple as making it

1095
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:10,720
all brick.

1096
00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:14,319
>> And we're talk and this is a 50year

1097
00:47:14,319 --> 00:47:16,079
>> 50-year deal.

1098
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:17,760
>> Advertised over 50 years.

1099
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:18,000
>> Yeah,

1100
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:22,230
>> it's not a big deal.

1101
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:24,079
» That's our image. I mean, it's

1102
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:25,760
>> Yeah,

1103
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:29,520
>> I think it's kind of a big deal.

1104
00:47:29,520 --> 00:47:33,589
Okay.

1105
00:47:33,599 --> 00:47:35,280
So, we have one more thing for you to

1106
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,599
consider. Um, the parking lot. So,

1107
00:47:37,599 --> 00:47:39,119
Kaden's going to go over that.

1108
00:47:39,119 --> 00:47:41,200
>> Okay. Thank you. And this is all part of

1109
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:42,960
one motion.

1110
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:45,119
>> Okay.

1111
00:47:45,119 --> 00:47:47,040
>> So, you can see the site plan on your

1112
00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:49,680
screen right now. Um, the parking lot or

1113
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:51,520
the major parking lot at least is on

1114
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:56,400
that uh northwest corner of the site.

1115
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:59,280
And we were told that there was

1116
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,599
discussion about the number of spaces in

1117
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:03,599
the code. It's up to the discretion of

1118
00:48:03,599 --> 00:48:07,040
the of the approving body to determine

1119
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,480
how many spaces they would need for a

1120
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:11,680
building like this. We were told that was already approved as is right

1121
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:15,119
now the number of stalls here. Um but

1122
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:19,200
one part of the code does say that a

1123
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:21,359
parking lot in the setback is not

1124
00:48:21,359 --> 00:48:24,240
allowed and so this is clearly not

1125
00:48:24,240 --> 00:48:26,559
meeting that code. There is an exception

1126
00:48:26,559 --> 00:48:28,640
to that that's granted that can be

1127
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,960
legislated by the city council on the

1128
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:32,240
recommendation from the planning

1129
00:48:32,240 --> 00:48:34,880
commission to allow it in the site it is

1130
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,720
now.

1131
00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:39,520
Um and I'll show that right now in our

1132
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,760
code. It's right here 324060

1133
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:46,559
location of off- streetet parking.

1134
00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:48,640
And so those are the four criteria if

1135
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,280
you want to read through those that you

1136
00:48:51,280 --> 00:48:53,359
feel they would have to meet in order to

1137
00:48:53,359 --> 00:48:57,200
have the exception here. Um

1138
00:48:57,200 --> 00:48:58,960
again I wasn't in all the meetings and

1139
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,559
so I know this has been discussed at

1140
00:49:00,559 --> 00:49:02,559
length and I think this is the parking

1141
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:04,480
lot where it is right now has been seen

1142
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:07,760
as being the location for the ideal spot

1143
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:11,200
for this parking lot. Um, so I think

1144
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,880
there might be some expectation there

1145
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,520
that it's fine as is, but according to

1146
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:17,520
our code, these are the criteria they

1147
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,960
would have to meet to have that there.

1148
00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,280
>> So, so go back to the map again and

1149
00:49:21,280 --> 00:49:26,000
explain why this doesn't meet code.

1150
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,599
>> So, first on this, before I go back to

1151
00:49:27,599 --> 00:49:29,599
the map, it says right here, no portion

1152
00:49:29,599 --> 00:49:31,920
of the that back area adjacent to a

1153
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:33,760
street shall be used for off- streetet

1154
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,760
parking. Okay. So, the part so basically

1155
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,680
in in my terms, there are stalls that

1156
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,720
are too close to the road or or

1157
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:45,839
sidewalk.

1158
00:49:45,839 --> 00:49:48,079
>> I think the parking lot in general, not

1159
00:49:48,079 --> 00:49:50,960
even just the stalls, but just Yeah. So,

1160
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:54,400
probably um this uh backup area, these

1161
00:49:54,400 --> 00:49:58,000
stalls here are the main issues. So,

1162
00:49:58,000 --> 00:49:58,880
yes.

1163
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:03,359
>> Right. Um on 100 North the setback is a

1164
00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:06,400
lot larger than on Maine. Is any of them

1165
00:50:06,400 --> 00:50:09,829
in compliance?

1166
00:50:09,839 --> 00:50:11,440
» We would have to measure. I don't know

1167
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,040
actually the exact measurement of the

1168
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,440
setback there. Um,

1169
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,680
>> yeah. I'm I I like this better than when

1170
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:21,839
the front of the car goes into the

1171
00:50:21,839 --> 00:50:22,880
setback

1172
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,280
>> because that we see that with Burgess

1173
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:27,599
Orchards and it it looks a little

1174
00:50:27,599 --> 00:50:29,680
dangerous with those cars coming right

1175
00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,920
up tight to the sidewalk

1176
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:34,160
>> that all you have is the wheel stop. So,

1177
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,559
this one being sideways to it, right?

1178
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:39,520
The stalls are parallel to main instead

1179
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,640
of perpendicular. And so I find that to

1180
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:45,359
be a a safer design if you're in the

1181
00:50:45,359 --> 00:50:46,240
setback.

1182
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:50,630
>> Yeah, I would agree.

1183
00:50:50,640 --> 00:50:52,880
» And and obviously what we're trying to

1184
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:55,839
do is we're trying to get the sufficient

1185
00:50:55,839 --> 00:51:00,079
number of parking spaces, right, for the

1186
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:00,880
>> maximizing

1187
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:03,920
>> for the for the community center, right?

1188
00:51:03,920 --> 00:51:05,839
Yeah, I would say as much as possible,

1189
00:51:05,839 --> 00:51:08,480
but um like I did say before, I think

1190
00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:10,400
that number has been confirmed as

1191
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:11,760
adequate.

1192
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:12,240
>> Okay.

1193
00:51:12,240 --> 00:51:13,440
>> Um obviously, if there's any

1194
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,559
recommendations from the planning

1195
00:51:14,559 --> 00:51:17,520
commission to up or lower that,

1196
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,839
>> how many are how many are proposed in

1197
00:51:19,839 --> 00:51:22,720
that?

1198
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:41,030
>> Let's go back to the site.

1199
00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:42,880
So, it looks like there's 30 in this

1200
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:43,599
area.

1201
00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:46,960
>> Okay.

1202
00:51:46,960 --> 00:51:48,559
>> And nine in this area. And there's two

1203
00:51:48,559 --> 00:51:51,680
ADA parking parking stalls in both

1204
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:52,559
parking areas.

1205
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:54,880
>> I think the nine

1206
00:51:54,880 --> 00:51:56,400
>> the nine areas reserved for the

1207
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:57,280
firefighters.

1208
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:58,559
>> That's correct. Yeah. Sorry. That is

1209
00:51:58,559 --> 00:51:58,880
correct.

1210
00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:01,200
>> So they are reserving those nine only.

1211
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:02,800
Even though that's for the fire station,

1212
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:05,440
you still have to have

1213
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,920
ADU parking

1214
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:10,559
on those nine. You've got two that are

1215
00:52:10,559 --> 00:52:11,920
handicapped accessessible.

1216
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:15,440
>> I think every 25 stalls needs one.

1217
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:16,240
>> Needs one.

1218
00:52:16,240 --> 00:52:18,240
>> And so everything over that needs two. I

1219
00:52:18,240 --> 00:52:19,760
don't know if they just decided to

1220
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,680
locate it over in that area.

1221
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:24,160
>> So are we encouraging or not

1222
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,559
encouraging? If you go if you were to go

1223
00:52:26,559 --> 00:52:30,000
to the community center, can you park in

1224
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,760
the

1225
00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,119
parking reserve for the firemen

1226
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:35,760
>> or not?

1227
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:37,200
>> I suppose you could.

1228
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:38,880
>> Are they going to allow I mean the

1229
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,800
sidewalks connect?

1230
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:41,280
>> Yeah.

1231
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:44,480
>> But is it going to be

1232
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,359
labeled firemen only?

1233
00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:49,520
>> Not in our review. I haven't seen any

1234
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:50,960
signs that would say that they're

1235
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,920
restricted. Um, but

1236
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,240
>> so this is a good one. Kaden, can you go

1237
00:52:56,240 --> 00:52:58,319
over just a little bit? These red lines,

1238
00:52:58,319 --> 00:53:00,480
if you look, it's labeled number five,

1239
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:02,559
which says

1240
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:05,920
accessible route to public ways.

1241
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,079
>> Yeah, the the red line is showing the

1242
00:53:08,079 --> 00:53:09,280
continuous sidewalk.

1243
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:11,040
>> I think it they will be able to use

1244
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,040
those. The others will probably always

1245
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,640
have firefighters in them.

1246
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:15,119
>> Yeah,

1247
00:53:15,119 --> 00:53:17,920
>> because they're here 247. Yeah.

1248
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:20,480
>> Um, so they can use, it's my assumption

1249
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:25,430
that they can use those.

1250
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:31,349
» Okay. So, so scroll back.

1251
00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:37,680
So, what's the difference? Oh, so it's 8

1252
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,760
feet and then in that little section

1253
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:41,920
it's like less than eight feet. Probably

1254
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:48,319
six feet, right? So, six feet from the sidewalk and then but the north

1255
00:53:48,319 --> 00:53:51,599
side is plenty. So, the north side

1256
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:53,839
works. The north side works everywhere,

1257
00:53:53,839 --> 00:53:54,240
right?

1258
00:53:54,240 --> 00:53:55,520
>> The main street side, right?

1259
00:53:55,520 --> 00:54:02,470
>> It's just the main street side.

1260
00:54:02,480 --> 00:54:04,640
» Sorry to interrupt again. So, I just got

1261
00:54:04,640 --> 00:54:07,280
a text from Shane saying that that will

1262
00:54:07,280 --> 00:54:10,319
not be public parking.

1263
00:54:10,319 --> 00:54:11,359
>> Oh, okay.

1264
00:54:11,359 --> 00:54:15,040
>> Over on that side. Okay. Okay.

1265
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:18,007
Thanks, Shane.

1266
00:54:18,007 --> 00:54:20,230
[snorts]

1267
00:54:20,240 --> 00:54:23,280
Okay. So, I mean, if we look at the code

1268
00:54:23,280 --> 00:54:26,720
to me, those four

1269
00:54:26,720 --> 00:54:31,440
uh are met. Is there is there any does

1270
00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:34,640
the do the other commissioners

1271
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:37,440
concur with that? Is there anything that

1272
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,480
I'm missing in those four

1273
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:43,599
exceptions that

1274
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:57,589
it doesn't get met

1275
00:54:57,599 --> 00:54:59,760
say that we find that it meets the

1276
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:03,910
exception requirements.

1277
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:07,123
» Okay.

1278
00:55:07,133 --> 00:55:10,870
» [snorts]

1279
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,880
» Um, are there any

1280
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:17,280
recommendations

1281
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,839
that we want to impose

1282
00:55:19,839 --> 00:55:24,720
as additional conditions for this?

1283
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:25,520
>> Okay.

1284
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,040
>> Can you bring up the sample motions

1285
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:31,430
again?

1286
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,559
» You had you had what you wanted to be

1287
00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:37,359
included in that, right? In terms of a

1288
00:55:37,359 --> 00:55:38,079
>> Yes.

1289
00:55:38,079 --> 00:55:42,870
>> an additional requirement.

1290
00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:47,109
» Blow it up a little bit.

1291
00:55:47,119 --> 00:56:02,630
There we go.

1292
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:05,440
Okay. Okay. So, site plan, does a site

1293
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,720
plan approval even bring these design

1294
00:56:08,720 --> 00:56:13,109
elements into play?

1295
00:56:13,119 --> 00:56:16,400
So, as I've been learning the code here,

1296
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,480
it seems like

1297
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,400
the planning commission is supposed to

1298
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:22,079
take into consideration the design

1299
00:56:22,079 --> 00:56:25,040
elements as they review the site plan.

1300
00:56:25,040 --> 00:56:30,319
>> Um, and so I would say yes overall. Um

1301
00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:31,440
but that also could

1302
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:32,799
>> that's not a vehicle to bring it back to

1303
00:56:32,799 --> 00:56:33,920
us after.

1304
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:34,480
>> Correct.

1305
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:35,839
>> Yeah.

1306
00:56:35,839 --> 00:56:37,920
>> That was my point from before.

1307
00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,559
>> Yeah.

1308
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,960
>> Because I'm I'm getting the feeling this

1309
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,000
is our this is our one chance.

1310
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:47,040
So you just wanted [clears throat] the

1311
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:51,040
condition of having uh

1312
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:54,640
delay the landscaping plan until the

1313
00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:57,440
garden the sculpture garden is

1314
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,760
>> that would be staff's recommendation. Um

1315
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:02,799
but obviously the parking could be

1316
00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:04,480
something that al could be considered by

1317
00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:15,504
the planning commission as well.

1318
00:57:15,514 --> 00:57:15,839
» [snorts]

1319
00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:18,720
>> discussions or is someone ready to make

1320
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,480
a

1321
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:21,280
>> somebody

1322
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:25,750
>> recommendation?

1323
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,000
I'm just looking at John. [laughter]

1324
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:30,960
>> I didn't write a thing down. So, I'll make a motion, but you guys are

1325
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:32,160
going to have to chip in here.

1326
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:32,799
>> Okay,

1327
00:57:32,799 --> 00:57:34,720
>> Greg, you you took a bunch of notes.

1328
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:35,920
>> You got the notes. You make notes.

1329
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:37,119
>> I've got some notes on things we've

1330
00:57:37,119 --> 00:57:39,280
talked about that we'd like to change.

1331
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:43,760
I've got more brick, no full wood, the

1332
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,079
small plan or the historic plan

1333
00:57:46,079 --> 00:57:49,280
compliant with that. Uh wait for the

1334
00:57:49,280 --> 00:57:52,160
landscaping and then I think we came to

1335
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:55,200
an agreement that parking is fine. There

1336
00:57:55,200 --> 00:57:56,400
doesn't need to be an exception or

1337
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,240
eliminating the parking stalls.

1338
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,040
>> We can make parking can go into the

1339
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:02,000
setback.

1340
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:03,440
>> Those are the things that I took notes

1341
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:04,240
on.

1342
00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:04,880
>> Okay.

1343
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,720
>> That we've discussed.

1344
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:08,720
>> Yeah. Basically, we're approving the

1345
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:11,599
exception for the for the parking lot.

1346
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:12,240
>> Yes.

1347
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:14,079
>> Based on that it meets those four

1348
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:16,000
criteria in our current code.

1349
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,559
>> Yes.

1350
00:58:18,559 --> 00:58:21,760
>> Anything that you had, Alan, outside of

1351
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:28,470
those five items,

1352
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,480
» are you there, Alan?

1353
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:34,150
>> Maybe on mute.

1354
00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:36,720
» Uh, can you hear me? Yeah, we can hear

1355
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:37,599
you now.

1356
00:58:37,599 --> 00:58:39,200
>> Okay. Yeah. Sorry, I'm kind sitting here

1357
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:40,640
on my phone trying to process

1358
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:41,839
everything. Uh, no, I don't have

1359
00:58:41,839 --> 00:58:44,079
anything else. I think that, uh, covers

1360
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:45,440
everything we discussed.

1361
00:58:45,440 --> 00:58:52,230
>> Okay. Thanks, buddy.

1362
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:53,920
» Go for it.

1363
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:55,119
>> All right. I'm going to give it a shot

1364
00:58:55,119 --> 00:58:58,240
here. I move to recommend the approval

1365
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:00,079
of the proposed site plan for the

1366
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:02,079
construction of the Alpine Fire Station,

1367
00:59:02,079 --> 00:59:04,480
the additionary model,

1368
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,040
uh, with the following recommendations.

1369
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:11,200
>> Conditions, excuse me.

1370
00:59:11,200 --> 00:59:16,160
That we are consistent with the small

1371
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:22,069
area plan with regards to exteriors,

1372
00:59:22,079 --> 00:59:24,799
which means that we do not have faux

1373
00:59:24,799 --> 00:59:28,470
wood

1374
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:34,789
We have as much brick as possible.

1375
00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:36,799
We

1376
00:59:36,799 --> 00:59:39,119
would suggest

1377
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:40,640
that

1378
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:44,799
uh it's subject to

1379
00:59:44,799 --> 00:59:46,960
the condition of a landscape plan being

1380
00:59:46,960 --> 00:59:48,880
provided before the landscaping is

1381
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:50,559
installed

1382
00:59:50,559 --> 00:59:53,760
and that we meet the criteria

1383
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:57,040
uh for Is it a conditional use of the

1384
00:59:57,040 --> 00:59:57,520
parking?

1385
00:59:57,520 --> 00:59:58,960
>> Just an exception.

1386
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:00,000
>> An exception

1387
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:00,960
>> on the setbacks

1388
01:00:00,960 --> 01:00:03,280
>> to the setbacks on the parking based off

1389
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:05,359
the four criteria in the ordinance that

1390
01:00:05,359 --> 01:00:06,559
we have reviewed.

1391
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:08,400
>> Okay. We have a motion by Greg

1392
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:09,440
Butterfield. Do we have a

1393
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:10,240
>> Is this anything?

1394
01:00:10,240 --> 01:00:13,119
>> Do we have a second?

1395
01:00:13,119 --> 01:00:15,280
>> Did John want to add the black window?

1396
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,839
>> Well, we need a second.

1397
01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:18,799
>> We need a second first.

1398
01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:20,079
>> I want to add those two.

1399
01:00:20,079 --> 01:00:21,040
>> Okay.

1400
01:00:21,040 --> 01:00:22,240
>> I'm not finished, Mara.

1401
01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:22,799
>> Okay.

1402
01:00:22,799 --> 01:00:26,309
>> That we use

1403
01:00:26,319 --> 01:00:30,870
the dark

1404
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,480
aluminum

1405
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:34,240
siding that's used on the windows, on

1406
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,119
the door frames, and on the big garage

1407
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:41,040
doors. Same color, similar material,

1408
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:42,960
uh to make sure there's consistency

1409
01:00:42,960 --> 01:00:45,040
through out the exterior of the

1410
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:45,760
building.

1411
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,319
>> Okay. Okay. We have a motion by Greg

1412
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:50,160
Butterfield. Do we have a second on his

1413
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:50,720
motion?

1414
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:54,240
>> I'll second it. A second by John McCay.

1415
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:56,799
Okay. [snorts] Any discussions on the

1416
01:00:56,799 --> 01:01:02,230
motion?

1417
01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:04,400
I mean,

1418
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,319
I think it's still vanilla. [laughter]

1419
01:01:06,319 --> 01:01:07,599
>> What?

1420
01:01:07,599 --> 01:01:09,280
>> I think it still looks vanilla. I I

1421
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:10,880
would like to see some architectural

1422
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:13,280
elements in some awnings or some

1423
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:14,960
something like that, but I don't know.

1424
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:17,839
That's not I mean, just a suggestion.

1425
01:01:17,839 --> 01:01:19,119
And I don't know if anybody else feels

1426
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:23,839
strongly about that or not, but

1427
01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:26,480
doesn't have to be.

1428
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:27,440
Just throwing it out there.

1429
01:01:27,440 --> 01:01:30,319
>> Using brick and getting rid of the wood

1430
01:01:30,319 --> 01:01:31,440
dressing up a lot.

1431
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:34,960
>> Go a long way.

1432
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,720
Okay. Any other discussions?

1433
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:41,119
Okay. If not,

1434
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:43,760
uh, let's proceed with a vote. All those

1435
01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:48,079
in favor of Greg's motion say I.

1436
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:51,040
>> I.

1437
01:01:51,040 --> 01:01:53,200
>> Any opposed?

1438
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:57,190
Motion carries unanimously.

1439
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:58,880
» Okay.

1440
01:01:58,880 --> 01:02:04,069
Next item. Kerman.

1441
01:02:04,079 --> 01:02:08,240
So that was our only action item. Um I

1442
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:09,760
don't think we have anything for the

1443
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,680
communication section of the agenda

1444
01:02:11,680 --> 01:02:13,359
either. So I think we can move on to the

1445
01:02:13,359 --> 01:02:14,640
approval of the planning commission

1446
01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:16,160
minutes from March 31st.

1447
01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,960
>> Okay. So going back to communications,

1448
01:02:18,960 --> 01:02:21,200
we will have a

1449
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:28,150
uh planning commission in two weeks.

1450
01:02:28,160 --> 01:02:30,960
» Yes or no?

1451
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:32,480
On the 19th.

1452
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:33,119
>> Yes.

1453
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:36,480
>> Okay. Do we know what items are? Do we

1454
01:02:36,480 --> 01:02:39,599
have an idea of what items are coming?

1455
01:02:39,599 --> 01:02:42,240
>> Well, I said yes. I guess it is based on

1456
01:02:42,240 --> 01:02:44,960
the applicants that we are working with

1457
01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:47,520
to get their full submitts in. Um I

1458
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:50,319
think there's a chance it could be three

1459
01:02:50,319 --> 01:02:52,640
items. It could it also could be none I

1460
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,280
guess but we will be in communication.

1461
01:02:55,280 --> 01:03:00,630
>> Okay.

1462
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:04,799
Okay. Any other questions or or

1463
01:03:04,799 --> 01:03:06,880
communication from the planning

1464
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:10,880
commission members to staff?

1465
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:14,480
Okay. Okay. Uh moving on to the next

1466
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:16,640
last item, approval planning commission

1467
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,160
minutes. Uh hopefully everyone took uh

1468
01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:22,960
some time to review those. Uh any

1469
01:03:22,960 --> 01:03:26,960
comments or additions

1470
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,599
uh to those minutes and if not I will

1471
01:03:29,599 --> 01:03:30,079
take

1472
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:32,960
>> this is our chance to revise them for

1473
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:34,240
the uh wood.

1474
01:03:34,240 --> 01:03:37,910
>> Oh the wood.

1475
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,920
Well, but just

1476
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:41,440
>> but we got to just approve what we

1477
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:45,910
talked about though, right?

1478
01:03:45,920 --> 01:03:49,119
» We can we can clarify that we have a

1479
01:03:49,119 --> 01:03:49,839
body

1480
01:03:49,839 --> 01:03:53,119
>> by wood. We we intended it to mean

1481
01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:54,880
timber timber frame,

1482
01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:55,520
>> right?

1483
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:56,640
>> Wood materials.

1484
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:58,960
>> Yeah. There's nothing there's nothing

1485
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:00,640
that says, "Oh, you can't make any

1486
01:04:00,640 --> 01:04:04,480
changes. That's what we're here to do."

1487
01:04:04,480 --> 01:04:05,039
So,

1488
01:04:05,039 --> 01:04:07,119
>> I mean, evidently, it wasn't clear.

1489
01:04:07,119 --> 01:04:10,640
Yeah. Okay. So, do you w to uh you want

1490
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:14,319
to scroll down, Kaden, to that page,

1491
01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:17,119
which is kind of the very end of the

1492
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:20,000
those minutes. It's right before the

1493
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:39,750
recommendation.

1494
01:04:39,760 --> 01:04:43,920
Yeah, I think it was the first.

1495
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:47,760
So, yeah, it's after the it's it's past

1496
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:51,430
this.

1497
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,559
I think it's the last

1498
01:04:54,559 --> 01:05:05,750
one.

1499
01:05:05,760 --> 01:05:09,599
Yeah, it's that one. So, go go go up go

1500
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:12,640
up right here. Okay. Right here. So,

1501
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,240
here's the motion that Michelle made.

1502
01:05:16,240 --> 01:05:20,000
Um the building style or moved to

1503
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:22,400
tableabling the main state main street

1504
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:24,160
corridor gateway historic design

1505
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,750
standards.

1506
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:29,760
And that this is why I asked is this

1507
01:05:29,760 --> 01:05:34,640
coming back to us because we tabled it.

1508
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,160
Um

1509
01:05:36,160 --> 01:05:39,839
this kind of implies that we are going

1510
01:05:39,839 --> 01:05:42,079
to have one more

1511
01:05:42,079 --> 01:05:45,440
>> and we did on March 31st.

1512
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:46,799
>> This is the March.

1513
01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:49,520
3.

1514
01:05:49,520 --> 01:05:49,920
>> Oh.

1515
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:54,720
>> And then March 31st we approved.

1516
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:55,599
>> Isn't this the

1517
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:58,400
>> Yes. So remember that each of the four

1518
01:05:58,400 --> 01:06:00,400
sessions were tabled and then there was

1519
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:03,839
a final approval of the combined.

1520
01:06:03,839 --> 01:06:08,000
>> Yeah. So they they're just including

1521
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:10,000
previous motions.

1522
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:12,400
>> So I think if you're clarifying here, it

1523
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,640
could also be clarified in the summary

1524
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,880
one that was done. So I would probably

1525
01:06:16,880 --> 01:06:18,240
stipulate that if I were

1526
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:20,720
>> So these these minutes we're approving

1527
01:06:20,720 --> 01:06:22,480
as the March 3rd minutes

1528
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:24,480
>> 31st.

1529
01:06:24,480 --> 01:06:31,190
You're looking

1530
01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,039
higher or lower.

1531
01:06:33,039 --> 01:06:35,119
>> Oh, okay.

1532
01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:43,589
It's my bad.

1533
01:06:43,599 --> 01:06:45,039
» Yeah, I was just hunting to see if we

1534
01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:46,720
had the other minutes as well, but it

1535
01:06:46,720 --> 01:06:48,319
looks like we only have the March 3rd

1536
01:06:48,319 --> 01:06:49,760
included in this packet.

1537
01:06:49,760 --> 01:06:51,200
>> Oh, well, that's the first thing we need

1538
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:52,480
to do.

1539
01:06:52,480 --> 01:06:54,480
Oh, how how are we because we're

1540
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,720
approving the March 31st minutes,

1541
01:06:56,720 --> 01:06:58,720
correct?

1542
01:06:58,720 --> 01:07:00,000
>> Correct. Yes.

1543
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,839
>> Which we don't have here.

1544
01:07:01,839 --> 01:07:04,640
>> Which we don't have. [laughter]

1545
01:07:04,640 --> 01:07:08,630
>> So, let's table that.

1546
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:11,280
I'll make a I'll make a motion that we

1547
01:07:11,280 --> 01:07:13,599
table approving the minutes for March

1548
01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:16,000
31st because they're not represented in

1549
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:21,280
the materials and that

1550
01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:24,000
a summary of all of our previously

1551
01:07:24,000 --> 01:07:27,280
tabled recommendations from the

1552
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,680
um

1553
01:07:29,680 --> 01:07:32,480
small area plan be assembled and

1554
01:07:32,480 --> 01:07:34,400
included as part of the approved

1555
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,640
minutes.

1556
01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:40,640
Great. We have a motion by John McCay.

1557
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:43,440
Do I have a second?

1558
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:44,480
>> I'll second it.

1559
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:47,200
>> A second by Troy Slade. Any discussions

1560
01:07:47,200 --> 01:07:50,549
on that?

1561
01:07:50,559 --> 01:07:53,200
So then that would come back to us on

1562
01:07:53,200 --> 01:07:55,039
the

1563
01:07:55,039 --> 01:07:56,559
19th.

1564
01:07:56,559 --> 01:07:57,599
>> Correct.

1565
01:07:57,599 --> 01:07:59,680
>> Yes, it would come back on the March May

1566
01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:00,400
19th.

1567
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:04,950
>> Okay. Okay. Uh,

1568
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:09,280
» great. Great. Okay. So, with no

1569
01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:13,920
discussions, I let's take a a vote. All

1570
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,080
those in favor of tableabling the

1571
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:18,640
approval of the minutes from March 31st

1572
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:19,440
say I

1573
01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:22,159
>> I.

1574
01:08:22,159 --> 01:08:24,319
>> Any opposed?

1575
01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:26,640
Okay. Motion carries. We will approve

1576
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:29,839
both of those minutes at our next

1577
01:08:29,839 --> 01:08:32,080
planning commission which would include

1578
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:36,159
a revision of our recommendations

1579
01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:39,759
uh that we made on the 31st.

1580
01:08:39,759 --> 01:08:42,239
Okay.

1581
01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:46,239
Um that being everything and we

1582
01:08:46,239 --> 01:08:50,159
don't have anybody here else

1583
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:57,110
um I will take a motion to adjurnn.

1584
01:08:57,120 --> 01:08:58,319
Move to adjurnn.

1585
01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,640
>> A motion by John McKay to adjurnn. Do I

1586
01:09:00,640 --> 01:09:01,600
have a second?

1587
01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:02,400
>> I'll second it.

1588
01:09:02,400 --> 01:09:04,640
>> Michelle with a second. All those in

1589
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:05,759
favor say I.

1590
01:09:05,759 --> 01:09:06,400
>> I.

1591
01:09:06,400 --> 01:09:08,400
>> Any opposed?

1592
01:09:08,400 --> 01:09:11,359
>> Okay. Motion carries. Meeting adjourned.

1593
01:09:11,359 --> 01:09:13,359
>> We didn't need to have a public Mary uh

1594
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:15,600
hearing for the site plan, did we?

1595
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:18,000
>> No, that was not required. The

1596
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:19,759
commercial site plan doesn't require a

1597
01:09:19,759 --> 01:09:29,510
public hearing.

1598
01:09:29,520 --> 01:09:31,920
But again,