1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,639 meeting at Alpine City Hall. Let's 2 00:00:02,639 --> 00:00:05,440 proceed. Let's start with the roll call 3 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,240 vote starting from 4 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:10,559 um Councilman Rummler. 5 00:00:10,559 --> 00:00:11,679 >> Brent Rmler present. 6 00:00:11,679 --> 00:00:13,120 >> Jessica Simone present. 7 00:00:13,120 --> 00:00:15,280 >> Sarah Blackwell present. Chrissy Henman 8 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:15,759 present. 9 00:00:15,759 --> 00:00:17,520 >> Andrew Young present. 10 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:19,920 >> Okay. We will um have a prayer offer by 11 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,560 Councilman Rmler um followed by a pledge 12 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,439 led by Councilwoman Smean. 13 00:00:25,439 --> 00:00:27,920 Our heavenly father, we're grateful for 14 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:29,439 the blessings in our lives for this 15 00:00:29,439 --> 00:00:31,599 beautiful place where we live and for 16 00:00:31,599 --> 00:00:34,880 the residents who enjoy Alpine. We are 17 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,320 grateful for a free country and those 18 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:38,079 who defend our country. Please bless 19 00:00:38,079 --> 00:00:41,040 them um throughout the world. We're 20 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,440 grateful for our first responders and we 21 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:45,360 pray for their protection as well and 22 00:00:45,360 --> 00:00:47,360 that we'll have good civil discourse 23 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:49,440 this evening and do our best to serve 24 00:00:49,440 --> 00:00:51,200 the city of Alpine in the name of Jesus 25 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:57,910 Christ. Amen. Amen. 26 00:00:57,920 --> 00:01:00,800 To the flag of the United States of 27 00:01:00,800 --> 00:01:03,840 America and to the republic for which it 28 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,280 stands, one nation under God, 29 00:01:07,280 --> 00:01:09,920 indivisible, with liberty and justice 30 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:13,429 for all. 31 00:01:13,439 --> 00:01:16,240 » Okay. Um 32 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:20,479 I believe there is a Okay. So let's 33 00:01:20,479 --> 00:01:23,280 proceed to the consent calendar. Is 34 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:24,960 there any questions regarding the 35 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:26,000 consent calendar? 36 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:27,600 >> Just a few here, but if anyone wants to 37 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:28,880 go first, they can. 38 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:30,240 >> Um Brent, do you have any questions? 39 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:30,880 >> No questions. 40 00:01:30,880 --> 00:01:33,200 >> Jessica, 41 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,360 >> um just to clarify, is this committee 42 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:37,360 just replacing the existing one and it's 43 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:38,880 just becoming bigger? 44 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:41,600 >> It's um it's the existing one minus 45 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,520 couple because a lot of them will be 46 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:45,280 leaving next year. 47 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,479 >> You mean the parents of those children? 48 00:01:48,479 --> 00:01:49,840 >> Those aren't children. These are the 49 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:50,399 adults. 50 00:01:50,399 --> 00:01:52,320 >> Okay. It's the parent advisory committee 51 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:52,640 for 52 00:01:52,640 --> 00:01:55,520 >> the new one coming in. 53 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:57,680 >> No, this is most of them are already on 54 00:01:57,680 --> 00:01:59,040 it and then there's some new ones for 55 00:01:59,040 --> 00:02:00,320 the people that are be leaving. So, 56 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,759 they're going to be on boarding this 57 00:02:01,759 --> 00:02:02,320 year. 58 00:02:02,320 --> 00:02:04,719 >> Okay. Okay. That was it. 59 00:02:04,719 --> 00:02:07,520 >> No questions 60 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:10,399 >> on the firework restrictions. Um there's 61 00:02:10,399 --> 00:02:12,800 no change and it said that the dates are 62 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:14,560 the same and we just stick to the state 63 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:16,800 code as far as dates allowed. 64 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,959 >> Yeah. So the only 65 00:02:18,959 --> 00:02:21,200 >> the only real change from last year is 66 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,280 we added um open fires that they're 67 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,360 can't have those on city property. Like 68 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,560 we have a fire ring at the Bowery and I 69 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:32,720 think there's one at Moy Park and 70 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:34,800 they're both in situations where on a 71 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,599 dry year it's not a good idea to have a 72 00:02:37,599 --> 00:02:39,840 fire there. So we wanted that in 73 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:41,840 ordinance as well. Everything else on 74 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,000 the fireworks restrictions is exactly 75 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:45,280 the same as last year. 76 00:02:45,280 --> 00:02:47,280 >> Okay. Thank you. 77 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:47,920 Andrew, 78 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:50,800 >> mine are quick. I wrote them down. Uh, 79 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,040 and Shane, this is the first I'm hearing 80 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,400 of the uh letter E. So, if you could 81 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:57,680 explain that just here in a second while 82 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,160 I'm just getting the other questions. 83 00:03:00,160 --> 00:03:02,239 The first is uh on the parent. It's more 84 00:03:02,239 --> 00:03:03,920 of a comment on the I think it's a great 85 00:03:03,920 --> 00:03:06,319 idea. The parent citizen. I just uh 86 00:03:06,319 --> 00:03:07,920 looked at all the families. Great great 87 00:03:07,920 --> 00:03:10,000 ladies here. You we if we could just 88 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:11,360 reach out to some of the southern folks. 89 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:13,120 These are all mostly northern. There's 90 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:18,400 maybe one or two that is center or or northern, but if we can reach out to 91 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:20,480 some of the southern folks. 92 00:03:20,480 --> 00:03:22,959 >> So, this isn't somebody that, you know, 93 00:03:22,959 --> 00:03:24,400 we as a city have done. These are a 94 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:25,760 group of ladies that have been running 95 00:03:25,760 --> 00:03:27,760 Alpine Youth Council and they're 96 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:28,159 recruiting. 97 00:03:28,159 --> 00:03:29,760 >> I know, right? I know. I just just uh if 98 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,120 we uh reach out to some of the southern 99 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:32,239 folks, I just think they'd love to be a 100 00:03:32,239 --> 00:03:33,360 part of it. They might not know about 101 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:34,080 it. 102 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,480 >> The other one is um let me grab the 103 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,360 other one on the uh fireworks. 104 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,080 um when we message for this because 105 00:03:44,080 --> 00:03:46,560 we've done this a lot in the past if we 106 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:48,560 can message also for the places that 107 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:50,640 they can do it. I don't know how we 108 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,239 message this. We've put up signs in the 109 00:03:52,239 --> 00:03:55,200 past. Um and so I know there are areas 110 00:03:55,200 --> 00:03:57,760 where they can do it and uh anyways 111 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,439 that's just that I I know the chief. 112 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:00,480 It's a perfect timing. We're going to go 113 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:01,840 over a lot of fire stuff in a little 114 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:03,680 while so I can save it for that. 115 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:05,680 >> So it's on the map so if it's not 116 00:04:05,680 --> 00:04:07,040 hatched they're allowed. 117 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:08,400 >> Right. I saw that. which just sometimes 118 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:09,920 people don't know and so we tell them 119 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:10,959 where they can't but if we tell them 120 00:04:10,959 --> 00:04:12,239 where we can maybe that'll be a little 121 00:04:12,239 --> 00:04:13,920 bit more Fourth of July you know 122 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,439 positive. Um 123 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:17,759 >> so we we publish the map so all the 124 00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:20,079 information is on the same document 125 00:04:20,079 --> 00:04:21,759 >> right with Okay. Okay. Cool. 126 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:24,720 >> So I don't I don't know. I mean we'll 127 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:26,639 post it on social media you know leading 128 00:04:26,639 --> 00:04:28,880 up to the times when fireworks are 129 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:29,360 allowed. 130 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:31,759 >> Chief where is the most ideal spot you 131 00:04:31,759 --> 00:04:33,520 would want people to do if they're going 132 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,759 to do fireworks? Where is the most ideal 133 00:04:35,759 --> 00:04:38,560 spot you would like them to be so we can 134 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:39,040 disseminate? 135 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:40,960 >> Be completely honest. 136 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:41,759 >> Like if there's 137 00:04:41,759 --> 00:04:42,720 >> you feel as the fire chief. 138 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,400 >> If it's nowhere, it's nowhere. But if is 139 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:45,120 there a spot we 140 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:46,960 >> smack dab right in the middle of Utah 141 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,040 Lake? 142 00:04:49,040 --> 00:04:51,360 >> That would be the best place for me to 143 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:52,560 have you do your fireworks. 144 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:54,960 >> Okay. The the C++ place in Alpine. Is 145 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:56,320 there any place for kids and families 146 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:57,440 where we could tell them like, look, if 147 00:04:57,440 --> 00:04:58,479 you're going to do it, this is the 148 00:04:58,479 --> 00:05:00,240 safest spot. 149 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,520 I'm pretty hesitant to I mean with city 150 00:05:03,520 --> 00:05:08,240 property being not a thing. Um and and 151 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:09,440 this kind of goes along with maybe more 152 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:10,800 of your question as far as telling 153 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,400 people, hey, here's a great place to do 154 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:13,600 fireworks because then we're inviting 155 00:05:13,600 --> 00:05:15,919 all these people to like people's 156 00:05:15,919 --> 00:05:17,440 streets and 157 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,919 >> you know what I'm saying or something. 158 00:05:19,919 --> 00:05:22,720 My house doesn't allow it back and 159 00:05:22,720 --> 00:05:23,759 that's how it is. So 160 00:05:23,759 --> 00:05:25,199 >> we follow the maps. I just thought there 161 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:25,680 might be some. 162 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:27,759 >> Yeah. I don't I mean I don't warm and 163 00:05:27,759 --> 00:05:29,680 fuzzy. Great big parking lot. 164 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,520 >> Great big park. Okay. 165 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:32,720 >> Thanks. All right. 166 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:34,240 >> That's not private property. That isn't 167 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:34,639 yours. 168 00:05:34,639 --> 00:05:37,039 >> Right. Okay. Okay. Just the explanation 169 00:05:37,039 --> 00:05:38,880 of the new item which was just added. 170 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,320 That that's that's the only because I 171 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:43,440 have no explanation uh for it. 172 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:45,440 >> Well, pardon. I I didn't I we've been 173 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:46,880 doing the budget and I was with him in 174 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:51,199 meetings all day. Uh J, do you mind just describing letter D or 175 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:53,199 I'm sorry, letter E because we're just 176 00:05:53,199 --> 00:05:53,919 hearing about it. 177 00:05:53,919 --> 00:05:57,039 >> This is for cracks. So we crack seal 178 00:05:57,039 --> 00:06:00,560 streets be preferably before we do seal 179 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:02,320 coats. Sometimes timing works out that 180 00:06:02,320 --> 00:06:04,800 it ends up after a sill coat 181 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,759 >> um to um kind of seal up the cracks in 182 00:06:07,759 --> 00:06:09,440 the road, keep the water from going in 183 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:11,759 the pavement, which is probably the 184 00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:14,960 number one uh 185 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,240 thing that damages pavement. So, we have 186 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,080 our own crack seal machine and we do 187 00:06:20,080 --> 00:06:21,759 some of our own, which our guys have 188 00:06:21,759 --> 00:06:24,479 done a lot, but we can't get around to 189 00:06:24,479 --> 00:06:28,000 everything. And so, um, usually once a 190 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,840 year we'll contract with someone to go 191 00:06:29,840 --> 00:06:32,560 out and kind of help us catch up. And 192 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:36,000 so, this this is that contract. U, we 193 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:37,840 did have another bid and it was 194 00:06:37,840 --> 00:06:39,360 substantially more than that. I can 195 00:06:39,360 --> 00:06:40,800 email it to you if you want to see it, 196 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:42,639 but it's substantially more. And these 197 00:06:42,639 --> 00:06:45,039 guys have done work for us uh multiple 198 00:06:45,039 --> 00:06:46,560 years in the past and have done a good 199 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:49,039 job. They they know now how we want it. 200 00:06:49,039 --> 00:06:50,639 >> So is there I I know this is probably 201 00:06:50,639 --> 00:06:52,560 needed. Pardon that it was just today. 202 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:56,560 This is uh the only reason I'm asking is there like a place in Alpine that 203 00:06:56,560 --> 00:06:57,919 this will go where it's really needed 204 00:06:57,919 --> 00:06:59,360 that we're doing this so we can tell 205 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:00,639 people like look we're going to do this 206 00:07:00,639 --> 00:07:01,680 because I'm sure they would appreciate 207 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,759 it. This is just brand new. 208 00:07:03,759 --> 00:07:05,680 >> Yeah, there's I thought 209 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:07,280 >> there's a list of every street that's 210 00:07:07,280 --> 00:07:08,080 going to be affected. 211 00:07:08,080 --> 00:07:09,360 >> What's the streets that are on there? 212 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:09,680 Like 213 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,240 >> this is too long to state. I'm trying to 214 00:07:12,240 --> 00:07:14,400 vote. I'm trying to vote on it. And the 215 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,080 only reason I'm asking is not to delay. 216 00:07:16,080 --> 00:07:18,000 No one wants to delay. It's just because 217 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,080 we were doing budget all day. And so I 218 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,840 just didn't see this until now. 219 00:07:21,840 --> 00:07:24,479 >> And the reason I came on here today, 220 00:07:24,479 --> 00:07:26,160 we're trying to get it done in this 221 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,240 budget year. And if we waited till two 222 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:29,759 weeks, then it leaves us four weeks 223 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:32,000 instead of six weeks in the budget year. 224 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:32,880 So 225 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:34,400 >> we need to approve it now so we can get 226 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:35,759 the job done. 227 00:07:35,759 --> 00:07:37,120 >> Prior discussion doesn't cut off some of 228 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:38,639 the budget things we're trying to do. 229 00:07:38,639 --> 00:07:39,039 >> No. 230 00:07:39,039 --> 00:07:41,280 >> Okay. All right. Oh, this is 231 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,039 >> it's still within the approved street 232 00:07:43,039 --> 00:07:44,240 budget for this year. 233 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:45,680 >> Class C funds. 234 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:47,919 >> It's class C and then some other streets 235 00:07:47,919 --> 00:07:48,560 money. 236 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,479 >> Okay. Thank you. Appreciate your time. 237 00:07:50,479 --> 00:07:51,440 >> There's no further question. I'll 238 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:52,960 entertain a motion. 239 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,560 >> I have a motion. I move to approve the 240 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:59,360 consent calendar with the amendments to 241 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:03,199 the minutes that Chrissy had emailed. 242 00:08:03,199 --> 00:08:04,080 >> Is there a second? 243 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:04,879 >> I'll second. 244 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:06,400 >> It's moved by Councilman Smeu and 245 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:08,479 seconded by Councilman Rumler. Um, 246 00:08:08,479 --> 00:08:09,840 there's no further discussion. We'll 247 00:08:09,840 --> 00:08:13,520 proceed with the roll call vote. 248 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:14,560 >> Brent Ramler, yes. 249 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:15,840 >> Jessica, yes. 250 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:16,879 >> Sarah Blackwell, yes. 251 00:08:16,879 --> 00:08:18,160 >> Chrissy, yes. 252 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:19,199 >> Andrew Young, yes. 253 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:21,039 >> Okay, calendar passes. 254 00:08:21,039 --> 00:08:21,759 >> Andrew Young, yes. 255 00:08:21,759 --> 00:08:26,639 >> Okay, we've got um public comment. We um 256 00:08:26,639 --> 00:08:29,039 each person has three minutes. If you 257 00:08:29,039 --> 00:08:31,120 can step up um we'll start with David 258 00:08:31,120 --> 00:08:33,760 Spencer followed by Rick Black. Um, if 259 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:35,360 you can come up, state your name, and 260 00:08:35,360 --> 00:08:38,080 then um the street that you live on. 261 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:40,240 Don't need to do um your actual house 262 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:45,519 address. And then if you can um 263 00:08:45,519 --> 00:08:47,120 Did I say and then what city you're 264 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:48,160 from? I'm sorry. Because I've noticed 265 00:08:48,160 --> 00:08:49,440 that there's people outside the city 266 00:08:49,440 --> 00:08:51,200 that are here. So, let's start with 267 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,240 David Spencer and then Rick Black 268 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:56,080 and then Heidi, can we have three 269 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:57,279 minutes? 270 00:08:57,279 --> 00:08:59,200 >> Okay. So, I'm David Spencer. I'm running 271 00:08:59,200 --> 00:09:01,839 for county commissioner CB. I am from 272 00:09:01,839 --> 00:09:04,880 Oram and I served on the city council 273 00:09:04,880 --> 00:09:08,240 for 12 years the past 12 years and one 274 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:10,240 thing I realized is as a county 275 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,000 commissioner never came to ORM and ask 276 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:14,240 what our needs were and I think that 277 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,880 needs to change. So I want to propose 278 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:18,480 that I will come to every city meet with 279 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:20,320 every mayor and council and citizens to 280 00:09:20,320 --> 00:09:22,480 see exactly what your needs are and how 281 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,240 the county can help. I think that would 282 00:09:24,240 --> 00:09:26,640 be beneficial. So I feel our county is 283 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:28,640 fractured or fragmented. we're not all 284 00:09:28,640 --> 00:09:30,399 on the same page. And then once we're on 285 00:09:30,399 --> 00:09:31,839 the same page, we can go to the state 286 00:09:31,839 --> 00:09:33,519 legislature and get money for Utah 287 00:09:33,519 --> 00:09:35,519 County because I believe all the money 288 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:36,880 is going pretty much to Davis County 289 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,200 because that's what the legislature uh 290 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:40,880 the leadership in the legislature is in 291 00:09:40,880 --> 00:09:42,959 Davis County. So I want to fight for 292 00:09:42,959 --> 00:09:44,320 Utah County, make sure we can get the 293 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,080 money. But uh I want to let you know I 294 00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,080 do support the first responders, police 295 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,160 and fire. Awesome. They put their life 296 00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:51,440 on the line every day. But I'm David 297 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:53,279 Spencer and nice to meet you. and I'll 298 00:09:53,279 --> 00:09:55,360 hand out my little thing to the recorder 299 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,200 here. 300 00:09:57,200 --> 00:09:58,640 >> Thank you very much, sir. Appreciate 301 00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:01,200 your willingness to serve. Um, can we 302 00:10:01,200 --> 00:10:02,959 have Rick Black come up followed by 303 00:10:02,959 --> 00:10:04,959 Linda Black? 304 00:10:04,959 --> 00:10:06,480 >> Oh, together. Okay, 305 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:08,240 >> that's all right. 306 00:10:08,240 --> 00:10:09,680 >> We get six minutes. 307 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:10,959 >> I think it's five if you could. 308 00:10:10,959 --> 00:10:13,120 >> Okay, five is perfect. 309 00:10:13,120 --> 00:10:17,040 Uh, thank you, city council members and 310 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,279 auxiliaries. 311 00:10:19,279 --> 00:10:22,800 I'm writing or I'm standing today to 312 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:25,279 offer a s sincere apology for my 313 00:10:25,279 --> 00:10:28,399 comments during last city council 314 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:31,040 meeting two weeks ago regarding Alpine 315 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:34,399 City's fence ordinance. Uh at the time I 316 00:10:34,399 --> 00:10:38,079 chose to reference a situation in my 317 00:10:38,079 --> 00:10:40,160 neighborhood and I understand now that 318 00:10:40,160 --> 00:10:43,440 in doing so in a public forum that was 319 00:10:43,440 --> 00:10:47,120 inappropriate and unfair. I also 320 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:49,279 recognize that I came to the meeting 321 00:10:49,279 --> 00:10:52,240 without a full understanding of the 322 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:55,360 ordinance or the city's processes 323 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:58,240 and I'm sorry for the confusion and the 324 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,880 disruption that caused since that 325 00:11:00,880 --> 00:11:03,200 meeting I spoke with the mayor and with 326 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:06,480 Doug Quigley Donwigley in the code 327 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,959 compliance department and I appreciate 328 00:11:08,959 --> 00:11:11,040 the time they took uh to help me 329 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:12,560 understand the ordinance and the steps 330 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:15,519 to require to consider changes. I 331 00:11:15,519 --> 00:11:18,399 respect that the city council is already 332 00:11:18,399 --> 00:11:21,200 working to review and update the 333 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:23,760 ordinance and that this work must be 334 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,399 balanced with budgeting and staffing. 335 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:28,880 Going forward, I will share any ideas or 336 00:11:28,880 --> 00:11:30,240 concerns through the appropriate 337 00:11:30,240 --> 00:11:33,440 channels and at the appropriate time. 338 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,000 But most importantly, I want to 339 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:40,160 apologize directly to my neighbor two 340 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:42,959 doors down. In my remarks, I made 341 00:11:42,959 --> 00:11:45,200 assumptions and spoken a way that came 342 00:11:45,200 --> 00:11:49,200 across as personal and accusatory. 343 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,200 That was wrong, and I am truly sorry for 344 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,079 the hurt and stress my words may have 345 00:11:56,079 --> 00:11:58,560 caused and for putting a private 346 00:11:58,560 --> 00:12:00,079 neighborhood matter into a public 347 00:12:00,079 --> 00:12:01,600 setting. 348 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,920 It was not my intent to damage our 349 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,880 relationship and I value being a 350 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,680 respectful and supportive neighbor more 351 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:12,959 than any disagreement about offense. 352 00:12:12,959 --> 00:12:15,360 I am committed to speaking with my 353 00:12:15,360 --> 00:12:17,440 neighbors privately and in doing my part 354 00:12:17,440 --> 00:12:20,240 to restore trust and peace between our 355 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:21,760 homes. Thank you. 356 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:24,880 >> So Rick Black, Alpine, I'm married to 357 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:25,440 Linda. 358 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:28,320 >> I'm sorry. Alpine East Mountain Drive. 359 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,240 So also two weeks ago in this forum I 360 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:32,639 spoke to this community or to this 361 00:12:32,639 --> 00:12:35,200 council about community values the draws 362 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,279 to Alpine the rural field the beauty of 363 00:12:37,279 --> 00:12:39,360 the mountains and the open space that 364 00:12:39,360 --> 00:12:41,360 give this town a sense of peace and 365 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,440 well-being. However, in my 366 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:46,079 shortsightedness I failed to recognize 367 00:12:46,079 --> 00:12:47,920 the most important reason we choose to 368 00:12:47,920 --> 00:12:50,639 live here and that's the people. And so 369 00:12:50,639 --> 00:12:52,800 without that the other values lose much 370 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,120 of their meaning. So, the last time I 371 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,200 stood here, I stared I shared a story 372 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:59,279 and I pitted a neighbor against neighbor 373 00:12:59,279 --> 00:13:01,040 and portrayed my neighbor and I'm going 374 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,760 to name him by name, Marty White, as 375 00:13:03,760 --> 00:13:07,040 something he is not. And in doing so, I 376 00:13:07,040 --> 00:13:08,560 caused unnecessary hurt and 377 00:13:08,560 --> 00:13:10,959 embarrassment to Marty and his family. 378 00:13:10,959 --> 00:13:13,279 So, for that, I would publicly like to 379 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:15,839 apologize to Marty, his family, and this 380 00:13:15,839 --> 00:13:20,160 council for my unfair portrayal of his 381 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:22,959 character. So, we all have different 382 00:13:22,959 --> 00:13:25,600 opinions, likes, and and tastes. For 383 00:13:25,600 --> 00:13:28,560 example, Linda loves asparagus. I think 384 00:13:28,560 --> 00:13:30,800 it's disgusting. 385 00:13:30,800 --> 00:13:33,440 It's okay to disagree, but when I make 386 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:34,880 it personal and bring her mother into 387 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:36,560 the conversation, I'm sleeping on the 388 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:39,519 couch. So, that's essentially what I did 389 00:13:39,519 --> 00:13:42,079 a couple of weeks ago. I made Marty's 390 00:13:42,079 --> 00:13:45,040 fence personal. And Marty and I, we've 391 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:46,639 had kind of a difficult week. I've lost 392 00:13:46,639 --> 00:13:48,639 a lot of sleep over it. to but Marty's 393 00:13:48,639 --> 00:13:50,079 credit, he reached out the way a good 394 00:13:50,079 --> 00:13:52,160 neighbor would and we were able to 395 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:54,560 resolve our differences. 396 00:13:54,560 --> 00:13:57,680 So, who is Marty White? I can sum up his 397 00:13:57,680 --> 00:14:00,240 character with this. He's my good friend 398 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,880 and neighbor. And if I ever found myself 399 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:05,760 in a real jam, Marty would without 400 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:09,040 hesitation leap over a beautiful 8- foot 401 00:14:09,040 --> 00:14:11,600 concrete fence and come to my aid. Thank 402 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:12,639 you. 403 00:14:12,639 --> 00:14:14,639 >> Thank you very much. 404 00:14:14,639 --> 00:14:17,839 Okay, so we've got Tom Watkins followed 405 00:14:17,839 --> 00:14:25,590 by Isaac Paxman. 406 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:30,639 » Hi, Tom Watkins on Summit Way. Um, I've 407 00:14:30,639 --> 00:14:32,800 had some dialogue with most of you over 408 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:35,760 the last couple of weeks regarding some 409 00:14:35,760 --> 00:14:39,120 discussion regarding the four lot plat 410 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:44,800 up above us um off on Lake View and um a 411 00:14:44,800 --> 00:14:47,680 lot of weird discussions and things that 412 00:14:47,680 --> 00:14:49,760 we had no idea were going on. The reason 413 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:52,399 I'm here tonight is that I understand on 414 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:54,800 the agenda is uh some discussion 415 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,279 regarding a boundary between Draper and 416 00:14:57,279 --> 00:14:59,279 Alpine. 417 00:14:59,279 --> 00:15:01,440 I'm sorry. I guess it's kind of a point 418 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:03,920 of order. Since this is a public hearing 419 00:15:03,920 --> 00:15:05,519 that's scheduled, that's probably where 420 00:15:05,519 --> 00:15:06,800 you should be making your comment is 421 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:07,839 during the public hearing. Sorry about 422 00:15:07,839 --> 00:15:09,519 that. I didn't realize that's what Okay. 423 00:15:09,519 --> 00:15:10,480 >> Sorry about that 424 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:12,079 >> because there was nothing on the topic, 425 00:15:12,079 --> 00:15:13,680 so I didn't know. 426 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:15,600 >> Sorry about that, Isaac, if you wanted. 427 00:15:15,600 --> 00:15:17,040 But you're welcome to come and talk on 428 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:23,110 it during the public hearing. 429 00:15:23,120 --> 00:15:24,959 » Does this one work too? Great. Good 430 00:15:24,959 --> 00:15:26,480 evening, everyone. My name is Isaac 431 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,959 Paxman. fun to see someone who I've 432 00:15:28,959 --> 00:15:31,440 known for decades, Heidi, uh, who I 433 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,120 didn't realize would be here. And I 434 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,399 certainly have had the chance to work 435 00:15:34,399 --> 00:15:36,000 with Mayor Marilyn. A few of the others 436 00:15:36,000 --> 00:15:38,639 of you look familiar from chances to 437 00:15:38,639 --> 00:15:40,320 talk here and there. For the last eight 438 00:15:40,320 --> 00:15:42,800 years, I was on I was the provo deputy 439 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:44,560 mayor and I am running for the same seat 440 00:15:44,560 --> 00:15:46,800 as Mr. Spencer. This is the first where 441 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:48,800 we both have been in the same one. Been 442 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,680 doing these uh since I filed for for 443 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,399 candidacy. And just a little bit about 444 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:56,959 me, I yeah, do have roots here going 445 00:15:56,959 --> 00:15:58,880 back seven generations, people living 446 00:15:58,880 --> 00:16:01,600 here in this in this valley. And I'm an 447 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,000 attorney by profession. Was at the US 448 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,680 Department of Justice after a clerkship 449 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:07,839 with a federal judge and then started my 450 00:16:07,839 --> 00:16:10,320 own firm here in the valley and uh was 451 00:16:10,320 --> 00:16:12,240 doing that until an opportunity came 452 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:14,480 along to serve as deputy mayor. That was 453 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,399 a big decision for my family, a major 454 00:16:16,399 --> 00:16:19,279 pay cut and yet the opportunity to serve 455 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:21,040 was something we were excited about. My 456 00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:23,920 grandmother served in the you my great 457 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,320 uh grandmother served in the Utah state 458 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:27,839 legislature and other family members 459 00:16:27,839 --> 00:16:30,000 have served in local government here and 460 00:16:30,000 --> 00:16:32,800 there and who who who turns that down. 461 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,240 Um this is the first time I've run for 462 00:16:34,240 --> 00:16:35,600 office though and I do have to give you 463 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:38,160 all respect for for doing something I've 464 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:39,519 this is the first time for me to do 465 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:42,480 this. The themes that we heard from Mr. 466 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:44,000 Spencer were really great. And those are 467 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:47,680 things I've I think I've embraced and done, worked up at the legislature 468 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:51,199 and had to rally the members of the Utah 469 00:16:51,199 --> 00:16:54,639 County, um the mayors and others when 470 00:16:54,639 --> 00:16:55,839 there's been something we needed to push 471 00:16:55,839 --> 00:16:57,519 back on or when there's been a funding 472 00:16:57,519 --> 00:17:00,000 need and certainly agree that we need to 473 00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:02,800 unite and so that we can do more for 474 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:04,319 this county. And I believe I have the 475 00:17:04,319 --> 00:17:06,240 credentials and the connections to hit 476 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:08,640 the ground running on that. um went up 477 00:17:08,640 --> 00:17:10,720 to the legislature year after year and 478 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,360 even in no budget years was able to 479 00:17:13,360 --> 00:17:15,039 secure funding for something that's been 480 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:16,880 a real regional asset, the Provo 481 00:17:16,880 --> 00:17:18,559 airport. That was something I was 482 00:17:18,559 --> 00:17:20,480 assigned to take on. We had no idea how 483 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,000 to get funding for an airport, but we 484 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:24,160 went ahead and we started doing it. I've 485 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,880 had to manage departments. I've been 486 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:29,360 over the airport department, the 487 00:17:29,360 --> 00:17:31,120 department of the parks and recreation, 488 00:17:31,120 --> 00:17:32,400 library department. I've had to work 489 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:33,840 through budgets. I've had to take a 490 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:35,520 full-time job and and do essentially 491 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:37,120 what a county commissioner would do. Run 492 00:17:37,120 --> 00:17:39,600 a run an organization, help run it and 493 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:42,320 then go look for visionary projects and 494 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,120 see if we can get them going. So anyway, 495 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:46,880 with that, I would just end by saying 496 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,559 thank you to Mayor Merrill for your 497 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:51,200 support and uh I'll I'll maybe just end 498 00:17:51,200 --> 00:17:53,840 with with words from her. Over the last 499 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:55,679 eight years, Isaac Paxman has become a 500 00:17:55,679 --> 00:17:57,840 trusted public servant and an asset to 501 00:17:57,840 --> 00:17:59,679 our entire region. I joined the chorus 502 00:17:59,679 --> 00:18:01,840 of local elected officials officials who 503 00:18:01,840 --> 00:18:03,440 are supporting him for Utah County 504 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,520 Commissioner CB because we have seen him 505 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:07,120 in action and feel strongly that he is 506 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:08,640 just the type of person we need in 507 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,559 county leadership. Thank you very much 508 00:18:10,559 --> 00:18:12,640 for that and I would ask for your 509 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,160 support and letting people know there's 510 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,559 a short time this is in June. So please 511 00:18:16,559 --> 00:18:18,240 any support you can help with I 512 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:19,520 appreciate. 513 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:23,760 >> Thank you. Okay, let's move on to item 514 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,160 five on the agenda which is reports and 515 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:34,390 presentations or financial report. 516 00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,880 So, the the finance report for this 517 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,440 month is in the packet, 518 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:42,000 both the red red and green report, which 519 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,039 mine is sitting on my desk. I forgot it. 520 00:18:45,039 --> 00:18:46,559 Um, 521 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:49,200 but there are I mean, there's a few 522 00:18:49,200 --> 00:18:50,480 little things that at the end of the 523 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,960 budget year we'll we'll need to address. 524 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,559 Um, 525 00:18:54,559 --> 00:18:57,600 nothing really major. um projects are 526 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,320 still moving forward. One of which is on 527 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:03,600 the agenda tonight 528 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:05,600 and 529 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,120 I think everything is is good. 530 00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:12,320 Yeah, I don't unless you have questions 531 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:15,520 I can use this. Um 532 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,280 >> does anybody have any specific questions 533 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:18,960 regarding the finance report for this 534 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:19,760 month? 535 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:21,280 >> Are we having things pull up on our 536 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:25,110 screen? 537 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:27,440 Um, 538 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,799 >> I was gonna say mine. 539 00:19:30,799 --> 00:19:32,160 >> Sorry, I forgot the public comment 540 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:33,919 screen was on. 541 00:19:33,919 --> 00:19:35,360 >> Is this the page, Shane, you're looking 542 00:19:35,360 --> 00:19:35,919 for? 543 00:19:35,919 --> 00:19:36,400 >> Yeah. 544 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:36,880 >> Okay. 545 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:37,919 >> Yeah. So, 546 00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:38,400 >> thank you. 547 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:39,760 >> So, that's just the front page of the 548 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:45,280 finance report. Um, you know, the all 549 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:47,600 is there 54 pages, I think, are in 550 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:51,360 there. Maybe 58. 551 00:19:51,360 --> 00:19:53,280 Um 552 00:19:53,280 --> 00:19:56,720 but our revenues are where um they're 553 00:19:56,720 --> 00:20:00,559 anticipated to be. We're almost at 100% 554 00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:04,160 on property tax uh collections, 555 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,320 including redemption taxes. We're we're 556 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:08,000 over. 557 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:09,840 So, 558 00:20:09,840 --> 00:20:12,160 um our main focus has been on this next 559 00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:15,280 year's budget. Um while this one kind of 560 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,520 finishes up, but unless there's any 561 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,039 questions, I don't really have anything 562 00:20:19,039 --> 00:20:20,799 else 563 00:20:20,799 --> 00:20:25,270 for you on that. 564 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:27,520 » Any questions? 565 00:20:27,520 --> 00:20:30,159 >> Um since we did um talk about this in 566 00:20:30,159 --> 00:20:32,480 the budget work session, I just thought 567 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:35,760 we'd point out Kaden has fund 46 right 568 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:37,679 there. If you could just describe, so we 569 00:20:37,679 --> 00:20:39,919 have it in the minutes what the new C 570 00:20:39,919 --> 00:20:43,120 account is for and briefly. Yeah, I can 571 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:46,240 do that. So, um, our capital improvement 572 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,679 fund in the past has included, uh, bonds 573 00:20:49,679 --> 00:20:52,240 from developers and and people building 574 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:54,400 homes and different things like that. 575 00:20:54,400 --> 00:20:56,480 Um, so we were always having to explain 576 00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:58,559 to the council that some of that is not 577 00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:01,120 money that can be used for projects. Um, 578 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:02,960 so just in the last month, we've 579 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:05,440 separated that out so that it's more 580 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,919 clear what is in the capital the 45 581 00:21:07,919 --> 00:21:09,600 fund, which is our capital improvement 582 00:21:09,600 --> 00:21:12,320 fund. So it gives a more clear picture 583 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,840 of funds that are available for projects 584 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,520 and even within that fund um we'll make 585 00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,720 more of an effort to earmark funds like 586 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:24,720 for the fire station if there's like a 587 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:26,159 large chunk of money that has been 588 00:21:26,159 --> 00:21:28,559 committed to that project. So it will be 589 00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:33,919 listed specifically on that sheet. 590 00:21:33,919 --> 00:21:37,830 >> Thank you. 591 00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:39,919 Okay, with no further questions, we'll 592 00:21:39,919 --> 00:21:43,120 move on to discussion items. Item six, 593 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:46,880 um item A is request for approval of 594 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:48,880 funds to determine property ownership 595 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:50,640 near Alpine Highway. So, that's a 596 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,520 discussion item. 597 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:55,679 >> So, I I can give a really brief 598 00:21:55,679 --> 00:21:57,679 introduction on this and then you guys 599 00:21:57,679 --> 00:22:01,280 can take do whatever you want to. So, 600 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,400 uh, council members, uh, Andrew Young 601 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:08,400 and Jessica Schmuan have, uh, submitted 602 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:10,799 an item for discussion for tonight. So, 603 00:22:10,799 --> 00:22:12,559 it's not on for action, just discussion 604 00:22:12,559 --> 00:22:14,080 and then we'll look for direction from 605 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,600 the council. Um, this is concerning a 606 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:20,480 there's kind of a a lane that goes 607 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,840 between some properties. um ownership is 608 00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,799 uncertain and 609 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:30,000 um the request is if this the council 610 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,799 would be willing to spend money to do 611 00:22:32,799 --> 00:22:35,520 some research to try to determine who 612 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:39,440 actually owns this property 613 00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:41,760 with that if you want to. 614 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,760 >> Yeah, sure. Thanks, Shane. And we have 615 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:45,360 some uh residents here who live around 616 00:22:45,360 --> 00:22:48,400 there. Um just a couple things. Uh this 617 00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:52,080 came up uh during our budget process. We 618 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:55,600 were uh we were at the beginning of 619 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,559 right after an election. We or help me 620 00:22:58,559 --> 00:23:00,559 out with the dates. When does the budget 621 00:23:00,559 --> 00:23:02,240 begin? January. That's when we start 622 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:03,840 talking about it. We get it ready. Not 623 00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,360 the actual date. We start talking about 624 00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:07,600 what we're going to put into the budget. 625 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:09,840 >> And uh a lot of these decisions came 626 00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:11,280 from residents and this was one of them. 627 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,760 So this is how this came up. This was an 628 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,640 area that was asked by residents to 629 00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:20,240 improve uh take some time on and it 630 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,840 basically it's the entrance of Alpine. 631 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:24,000 So I said this is great and I went down 632 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,320 there. I I really admire the residents 633 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:28,080 who live down there. You have a you have 634 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:30,320 a really seasoned like group of 635 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:31,679 residents who have lived down there at 636 00:23:31,679 --> 00:23:33,840 the entrance of Alpine forever and I see 637 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,159 this area as 638 00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:38,720 just prime for improvement. I feel like 639 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:40,320 it's one of the areas that doesn't get 640 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,240 much attention. So that's why I was 641 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,960 drawn to it, drawn to the area. And then 642 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:46,240 when we brought it up for the budget 643 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:47,919 discussion, it quickly became apparent 644 00:23:47,919 --> 00:23:49,280 that, hey, Andrew, we don't own this 645 00:23:49,280 --> 00:23:53,120 land. My mistake. Uh it is on surveys 646 00:23:53,120 --> 00:23:54,960 that have been included that it says 647 00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:58,320 Alpine uh does own it. So some of those 648 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,200 surveys are there dating back quite a 649 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:03,120 distance where it says Alpine does own 650 00:24:03,120 --> 00:24:05,280 it. So that's where I got and I guess we 651 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:07,919 have utilities underneath it. So that's 652 00:24:07,919 --> 00:24:10,480 where I was confused. But not only me, 653 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,480 some of the residents there also just 654 00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:16,080 assumed it was an Alpine uh owned 655 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,159 easement that goes from Alpine Highway 656 00:24:18,159 --> 00:24:23,279 towards Rachel uh McTar Park. Now, there 657 00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:24,880 are residents that live on the south of 658 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:27,120 it here here today, the Williams family. 659 00:24:27,120 --> 00:24:29,360 There are residents that own property to 660 00:24:29,360 --> 00:24:31,520 the north of it, the Coopers. There are 661 00:24:31,520 --> 00:24:33,440 residents that are involved with it that 662 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:35,840 also own by it. And the goal here is to 663 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:37,919 try to find a win-win that they're happy 664 00:24:37,919 --> 00:24:42,320 with and that the city can 665 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:48,720 take action to improve that area. The point of pain here, if you uh might 666 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,720 I don't Kaden, are you running the 667 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,880 thing? Would you mind scrolling down to 668 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:54,400 show some of the vehicles? Well, why 669 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,440 don't you just scroll scroll through 670 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:57,120 some of the images just so you can see? 671 00:24:57,120 --> 00:24:59,360 Go up a little bit. Well, okay. Well, 672 00:24:59,360 --> 00:25:01,679 yeah. So, this is the point of pain. 673 00:25:01,679 --> 00:25:03,360 Alpine Highway is very dangerous and 674 00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:04,799 this is a very residential. It almost 675 00:25:04,799 --> 00:25:07,200 feels like you're in people's yards and 676 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,120 cars are using this. Sometimes a lot, 677 00:25:09,120 --> 00:25:11,200 sometimes a little. Um, anyways, if you 678 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:12,799 go up top, Kaden, to some of those 679 00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:15,679 surveys. Uh, that one will work. This is 680 00:25:15,679 --> 00:25:18,559 the survey right here that was done. And 681 00:25:18,559 --> 00:25:21,520 this is why I assumed that this was 682 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:24,799 something that Alpine City could do 683 00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:27,039 improvements to where it's not just a 684 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:29,679 free-for-all. And again, we want to 685 00:25:29,679 --> 00:25:31,279 respect the land owners who live near 686 00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:33,840 there, the Williams, the Coopers, the uh 687 00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:36,480 Sykes. Is it Willard Sykes? Is that it? 688 00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,559 Spikes. We want to respect them and try 689 00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:39,840 to find something everyone's happy with. 690 00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,000 And what they've said is they I think 691 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,600 all of them have agreed that they do not 692 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,480 want it to be just constant cars going 693 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,200 through. And then what some of them have 694 00:25:49,200 --> 00:25:51,279 suggested suggested which is really nice 695 00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:52,640 is to turn it into something where 696 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,559 people can walk through it where it's a 697 00:25:54,559 --> 00:25:55,760 little bit more beautiful, there's some 698 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,279 trash around it and where it's um 699 00:25:59,279 --> 00:26:02,880 basically it's a blank canvas. So I went 700 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,679 on the road of finding out if we do own 701 00:26:05,679 --> 00:26:08,960 it and uh what ended up happening is I 702 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,039 talked to the county. I called the 703 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:13,520 county um that is over this. They have a 704 00:26:13,520 --> 00:26:15,039 mapper. I believe that's what their name 705 00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:18,400 is, a mapper. They have a surveyor and 706 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,840 everyone seems to be hitting a brick 707 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,799 road or a brick wall. Brick road. We did 708 00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:26,080 see the Wizard of Oz recently. Um and so 709 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,640 uh if you go down a little bit, Kaden, 710 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,240 we had a really great resident who's 711 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,159 even more determined and tenacious than 712 00:26:32,159 --> 00:26:34,960 I am. Uh Katherine Johnson, and she 713 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,640 actually was able to get through at US 714 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:38,080 Title. We were we came in for a meeting 715 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,640 at the DRC and uh it was recommended by 716 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,200 some of the folks here in Alpine to 717 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,840 reach out to US Title. And so we uh 718 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,039 Katherine was able to get a hold of him 719 00:26:47,039 --> 00:26:48,960 and he sent me back an email letting me 720 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:50,480 know what I assumed would be a couple 721 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:52,159 hundred dollars to do a title search on 722 00:26:52,159 --> 00:26:53,679 this and to get to the bottom of this. 723 00:26:53,679 --> 00:26:55,200 He let me know that this was deeper. It 724 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:56,320 was harder to find down. It would 725 00:26:56,320 --> 00:26:58,720 probably take at least a thousand bucks. 726 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,200 And so I said, "Okay, well, uh Shane, do 727 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,200 we want to do this?" Shane, uh in full 728 00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:07,840 respect has uh um 729 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:09,679 I don't know, questions on if we own 730 00:27:09,679 --> 00:27:14,480 this. I I it looks to me like there's a 731 00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:15,840 probable chance given that it connects 732 00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,240 to McTar Park and so I don't think we 733 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:19,840 should spend a lot of money on this. 734 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:22,400 Clearly this is the residents money. Um 735 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,440 I deeply respect it and try as hard as I 736 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,159 can not to spend it ever. Uh and so I 737 00:27:28,159 --> 00:27:30,720 would say what I'm looking for and you 738 00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,360 can give all of your input is some sort 739 00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:36,799 of cap. I would say 2500 maybe 5,000 or 740 00:27:36,799 --> 00:27:39,120 a thousand just to get this going. a 741 00:27:39,120 --> 00:27:41,200 cap, not an endless amount of money 742 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:45,520 where we could begin this search, this process of searching for the title 743 00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,000 ownership. Um, working with the 744 00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:49,679 residents who live down there to make 745 00:27:49,679 --> 00:27:54,159 sure uh that we are respectful and um 746 00:27:54,159 --> 00:27:55,600 get to the bottom of it for about that 747 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,600 much money. I I Sarah also reached out 748 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,600 asking to get multiple bids. I'm 749 00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:01,760 definitely open up for multiple bids as 750 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:03,840 well. Anyways, that's the background um 751 00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:05,440 in in there. the caden. I think the only 752 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:07,039 one you didn't show was the actual 753 00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:09,679 letter from US title. And it doesn't 754 00:28:09,679 --> 00:28:11,200 have to be them. It can be any of them. 755 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:12,559 But if you click on that, that kind of 756 00:28:12,559 --> 00:28:15,679 shows the response we got that we would 757 00:28:15,679 --> 00:28:16,880 have to do a search of all the 758 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,960 surrounding four poss four four parcels. 759 00:28:18,960 --> 00:28:22,159 So $1,000, four parcels at 250 each, 760 00:28:22,159 --> 00:28:23,919 which will be the cost for the first 10 761 00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:25,840 hours, and then 150 for every hour after 762 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,159 that. I've never done this process. Um, 763 00:28:28,159 --> 00:28:30,720 and so it's up to us if you think that 764 00:28:30,720 --> 00:28:34,480 spot of land is worth uh expensing some. 765 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:37,279 In my opinion, I think it is worth a 766 00:28:37,279 --> 00:28:39,600 small amount to find out the ownership. 767 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,760 I do not think it is worth endless funds 768 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,000 to look it up. But for a small amount, 769 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,080 if that land was to be able to be 770 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:47,679 decided and then protected and 771 00:28:47,679 --> 00:28:49,600 beautified, I think it would be a 772 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,600 treasure on the uh uh entry corridor of 773 00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,200 Alpine in a place that would really 774 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:57,200 improve. Uh there's one final image, 775 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,279 Kaden. Uh and this is just one rendering 776 00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:01,360 of what it could look like and what I 777 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,600 think would make most residents happy, 778 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,880 but I'm still open to all suggestions. 779 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:08,640 Um because I do know there are horses, 780 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:11,360 there are walkers. Um, and so this is 781 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:14,000 the type of idea that would not only 782 00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:16,399 improve that area, but slow it down, 783 00:29:16,399 --> 00:29:18,320 make it more residential friendly, make 784 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:19,760 it a place that people want to go, and 785 00:29:19,760 --> 00:29:22,640 it probably overlap with some of the uh 786 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,480 traffic calming measures on Alpine 787 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,640 Highway that hopefully would come later 788 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:29,679 on. And so that's pretty much it. 789 00:29:29,679 --> 00:29:32,240 Was that too long? I apologize if so. 790 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:33,600 Okay, 791 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,120 >> Brett, do you have any comments? 792 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,720 >> Uh, yes. Thanks. Um, 793 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,799 first of all, thanks Andrew and Jessica 794 00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:42,000 for bringing this to our attention and 795 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,080 the the owners, the the neighbors who 796 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:47,360 have looked into this as well. I've 797 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,279 noticed I've lived in Alpine for 12 798 00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:52,799 years and I live over by Southeast 799 00:29:52,799 --> 00:29:55,919 Canyon Crest and over the years on both 800 00:29:55,919 --> 00:29:57,360 Southeast Canyon Crust and Alpine 801 00:29:57,360 --> 00:29:59,360 Highway, some private property owners 802 00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:00,559 have done some really nice improvements 803 00:30:00,559 --> 00:30:02,240 to those areas that really made our 804 00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:05,039 gateway entrances look quite nice, much 805 00:30:05,039 --> 00:30:06,880 nicer than they were when I moved here 806 00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,600 12 years ago. So, I think in following 807 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,600 their example, I I think it's a good 808 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,080 idea to do our part to beautify this 809 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:15,440 part of the area if we can, if we have 810 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:17,360 that if we end up having the ownership. 811 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,000 So, I'm in I I'm in support of doing 812 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,360 this to see if we do have that 813 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,039 ownership. I think it would be a nice 814 00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:25,840 improvement for that area. During our 815 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:27,600 work session, we just had I noticed an 816 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,200 email came in from our attorney that had 817 00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:31,120 a little bit of information about this. 818 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:32,799 I would just I didn't have time to look 819 00:30:32,799 --> 00:30:35,360 at it because of our meeting. Um, 820 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:36,960 granted, if we if it's determined that 821 00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:38,559 the city has ownership, that's awesome. 822 00:30:38,559 --> 00:30:40,960 Then we can do with it what we want. If 823 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:42,320 we have an easement, generally there are 824 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,720 limited uses of what we can use that 825 00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,480 easement for. So if if there is an 826 00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:48,320 easement that exists through the 827 00:30:48,320 --> 00:30:50,640 property records, then we're limited to 828 00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:52,159 just what that easement entails, and 829 00:30:52,159 --> 00:30:53,679 that that means the property is owned by 830 00:30:53,679 --> 00:30:56,320 somebody else. So, anything you'd like 831 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:59,679 to share, Mr. Doxy, on considerations we 832 00:30:59,679 --> 00:31:01,440 should think about? 833 00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:05,520 >> No, I think you summed that up. It's uh 834 00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:08,320 the question is I guess does the city 835 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,399 own the property outright and that's 836 00:31:10,399 --> 00:31:13,360 what you're asking to expend funds to 837 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,919 determine. I can't tell you that. Right. 838 00:31:15,919 --> 00:31:18,320 >> If the city has merely a prescriptive 839 00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,559 easement, an easement that they've 840 00:31:20,559 --> 00:31:24,000 required acquired by use over more than 841 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:28,159 20 years, then that easement would be if 842 00:31:28,159 --> 00:31:29,679 you want to if you want to have a 843 00:31:29,679 --> 00:31:31,520 definitive answer as to whether the city 844 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:33,039 acquired that easement, you'd have to go 845 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:36,799 to court. And if you went to court, it 846 00:31:36,799 --> 00:31:38,720 would be based on the use that's been 847 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,679 made by the city of that property. So 848 00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:43,840 you wouldn't be able to get a walking 849 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,480 trail as opposed to a sewer maintenance 850 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:50,480 easement or an access easement. So 851 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,320 >> does that make sense? 852 00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:53,440 >> The title search 853 00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:54,960 >> hopefully the title search would provide 854 00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,559 some clarity. If there's a if there's a 855 00:31:56,559 --> 00:31:57,840 recorded easement that just hasn't been 856 00:31:57,840 --> 00:31:59,919 located so far, then we would be limited 857 00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:01,279 to what that easement is and someone 858 00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:03,120 else would own that property. I assume 859 00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:04,399 it would be 860 00:32:04,399 --> 00:32:06,720 >> the property owners who 861 00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:08,559 >> were on both sides of that and then they 862 00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:11,440 could choose if they wanted to to to 863 00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:12,720 do a different easement that would allow 864 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:14,880 for a park path. So I think it's 865 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,200 worthwhile to find out who the owner is 866 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,039 and see if there are some options there. 867 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:21,039 >> I did have a clarifying question though. 868 00:32:21,039 --> 00:32:23,120 Did you say that the county doesn't they 869 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,960 couldn't determine 870 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,440 >> Well, the the exact conversation were 871 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,760 was and if and I know they they have 872 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,039 done some research as well. So 873 00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:32,960 >> did you talk to them? I wonder what they 874 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:33,679 said to you. 875 00:32:33,679 --> 00:32:36,720 >> I uh um I called them. I told them the 876 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,840 whole situation. Basically what I 877 00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:39,679 explained to you, they said, "Typically, 878 00:32:39,679 --> 00:32:42,159 Andrew, uh when this happens, the 879 00:32:42,159 --> 00:32:45,279 property goes to the ownership of the uh 880 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:46,720 two neighbors and they split it in the 881 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,840 middle." That's what they said when they 882 00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:49,360 can't find it out. So, they would be 883 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,200 here and they get to decide what to do 884 00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,519 with it, which which is great. Um and 885 00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:55,200 they said, "But we will look into this." 886 00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:57,039 Because I showed them the uh sorry, 887 00:32:57,039 --> 00:32:58,159 they're on here. I showed them all the 888 00:32:58,159 --> 00:32:59,200 surveys I had. They said, "Oh, well, 889 00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:00,240 you've done already a lot of research 890 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:01,760 for us. Thank you." I showed them the 891 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:02,960 surveys and they said, "Okay, we're 892 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,799 going to look into this and in fact, I'm 893 00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:06,000 going to need to talk to my manager 894 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,399 about this or whoever the head." Uh, and 895 00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:10,159 so that's where it was left off and 896 00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:11,919 they're still looking into it. 897 00:33:11,919 --> 00:33:13,600 >> Okay, 898 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,200 >> Jess, did you have any comments? 899 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:17,679 >> Just that when Andrew presented this as 900 00:33:17,679 --> 00:33:20,000 a budget item to improve this trail, it, 901 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,440 you know, perfectly aligns with who 902 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,240 Alpine is. And so I would support 903 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,399 putting a little bit of funding in there 904 00:33:26,399 --> 00:33:28,559 to to find out if we own it and what we 905 00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:31,039 can do to improve it. 906 00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:33,279 Um just a few questions and then a 907 00:33:33,279 --> 00:33:36,080 comment. Um so you've already gone to 908 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:37,760 the county. Do you think that the city 909 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,840 because I know it's been mentioned that 910 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,000 perhaps Shane would go down there and 911 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,840 talk to them as well. Do you think he 912 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:45,360 would have more traction at the city to 913 00:33:45,360 --> 00:33:46,799 kind of get some more information or do 914 00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:49,120 you feel like you got all of that that 915 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:49,360 you 916 00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,919 >> No one says no to Shane? I'm sure I'm 917 00:33:51,919 --> 00:33:54,080 sure he would have I would take help 918 00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:56,399 from anyone, residents, Shane or anyone 919 00:33:56,399 --> 00:33:58,559 >> and I and I would be happy to end up at 920 00:33:58,559 --> 00:33:59,919 whatever result. 921 00:33:59,919 --> 00:34:01,360 >> Um, so 922 00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,360 >> the end goal was not to own this ever. 923 00:34:03,360 --> 00:34:06,240 The end goal was to 924 00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,519 make it better than what it currently 925 00:34:07,519 --> 00:34:09,119 is. Like if that ends up in the 926 00:34:09,119 --> 00:34:11,200 resident's hands doing that, great. If 927 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,639 it's our hands, great. 928 00:34:12,639 --> 00:34:15,679 >> Right now, it's up in the air. My 929 00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:17,679 suggestion would be to try to figure out 930 00:34:17,679 --> 00:34:20,079 where the county is only because of our 931 00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:22,159 previous experience with the trail. So 932 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,079 relief that we did pay for a title 933 00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:26,159 search and the title search came up that 934 00:34:26,159 --> 00:34:27,919 yes, we can own the, you know, that 935 00:34:27,919 --> 00:34:30,079 property and have that trail only to 936 00:34:30,079 --> 00:34:32,159 have the county say no, you can't do 937 00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:33,200 that. Do you know what I mean? So I'm 938 00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:33,919 happy to follow up. 939 00:34:33,919 --> 00:34:36,159 >> For me, I would love to hear what the 940 00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:39,119 county says. Um what and if they say, 941 00:34:39,119 --> 00:34:40,639 you know what, we're not sure. Go ahead 942 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,639 and do the title search. Then I'd say 943 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:44,159 yes, let's go ahead and spend the money. 944 00:34:44,159 --> 00:34:46,800 But if they've what they've looked into 945 00:34:46,800 --> 00:34:48,399 and they're like, "No, it looks like it 946 00:34:48,399 --> 00:34:50,960 belongs to the two neighbors." I don't 947 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,399 know if that would be the best use of 948 00:34:52,399 --> 00:34:54,000 money. But that's up to you. But 949 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,200 >> I'm happy to follow up and let you know 950 00:34:55,200 --> 00:34:57,280 what I let everyone know what they say. 951 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,359 >> Yeah. So maybe before we vote on it if 952 00:34:59,359 --> 00:35:00,800 we can have that. I don't know. For me 953 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:02,000 personally, I would like to have that 954 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,280 answer. 955 00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,599 >> Chissy, did you Sorry, I'm not done. 956 00:35:05,599 --> 00:35:06,480 >> Sorry about that. 957 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:08,240 >> No, I agree. I think I would I would 958 00:35:08,240 --> 00:35:10,400 like to have that answer as well, but I 959 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:12,400 do support this. I feel like it aligns 960 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,160 with Alpine's um master plan. It it 961 00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,480 aligns with just just our like goals as 962 00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:21,440 a city. So, I'm in favor of allocating 963 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,079 funds to do a title search. I did have 964 00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:27,040 one other question in that letter from 965 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,920 the title search gentleman. He did say, 966 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:33,200 you know, after that perhaps uh a survey 967 00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:34,480 would need to be done. And I'm just 968 00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:35,920 curious if anyone knows about 969 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:40,950 approximately how much that would cost. 970 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:41,920 I'm I'm sure Shane 971 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:43,599 >> He's not here for this item, but we 972 00:35:43,599 --> 00:35:44,960 could maybe ask for 973 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:46,400 >> US survey. 974 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,920 >> Get up here. Oh, actually, it's up to 975 00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:50,720 the mayor. Sorry. 976 00:35:50,720 --> 00:35:52,240 >> Would you feel comfortable to be able to 977 00:35:52,240 --> 00:35:54,720 come up and so we can get a rough idea? 978 00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:55,440 >> Sure. 979 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:56,079 >> Thanks. 980 00:35:56,079 --> 00:35:58,079 >> If you could state your name. Sorry. 981 00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:00,000 >> Sure. 982 00:36:00,000 --> 00:36:02,320 >> I'm David Mortonson. I work with civil 983 00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:06,079 science. We're just based in Lehi. Um I 984 00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:08,320 do these things all the time. That 985 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,480 happens all the time that boundaries are 986 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:13,119 not exactly what they think they are. I 987 00:36:13,119 --> 00:36:14,800 don't know if this was a road at one 988 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:18,240 point or was intended to be a road. If 989 00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:20,480 it's in the middle of the section, the 990 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:22,240 deeds could be coming from different 991 00:36:22,240 --> 00:36:24,320 section corners and this happens all the 992 00:36:24,320 --> 00:36:28,880 time. So by deed it might be a gap on 993 00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:32,560 the ground. There's no gap 994 00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:37,520 as that's just a boundary survey 101. 995 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,160 There's no gap. There was not intended 996 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:42,880 to be. You might have to research way 997 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:46,640 back. So that could cost a lot of money, 998 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:48,720 but title companies do that all the 999 00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:52,160 time. So a survey would cost about 3500 1000 00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:54,880 to 3,800 bucks. 1001 00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:57,359 give or take. That's good to know. Thank 1002 00:36:57,359 --> 00:36:57,680 you. 1003 00:36:57,680 --> 00:36:59,760 >> Yeah. Thank you. No, in general though, 1004 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:04,000 I am I am in favor of of having this be 1005 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,400 public if it's possible for the use of 1006 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:07,599 our residents. 1007 00:37:07,599 --> 00:37:08,800 >> Proceed. 1008 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,520 >> Mayor, could I just interrupt and say as 1009 00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:13,440 much as we trust and love our county 1010 00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:15,680 leaders, if you could get something in 1011 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,440 writing from them rather than just 1012 00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:19,920 pass on. 1013 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,599 >> Yeah, for sure. Okay. Thank you. I will 1014 00:37:21,599 --> 00:37:24,160 ask. No, I appreciate that. 1015 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:27,599 I did have um I I'm also in favor if 1016 00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:30,640 it's looking more likely than not that 1017 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,280 it would go in our favor. Um because I 1018 00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,760 do feel like just getting the title is 1019 00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,160 or doing a title search would open the 1020 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:41,119 door to an easement which which Steve 1021 00:37:41,119 --> 00:37:43,119 said we would need a judicial ruling to 1022 00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:46,400 actually gain access. If we find out, 1023 00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:47,920 you know, that we're not the owners, 1024 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,839 which I doubt we are, but we want an 1025 00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:51,760 easement there. it's going to require 1026 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:55,119 like the like it's the beginning of a 1027 00:37:55,119 --> 00:37:57,839 more costly process to even get the end 1028 00:37:57,839 --> 00:38:00,240 result that we're all hoping for. So, I 1029 00:38:00,240 --> 00:38:01,520 would like to know that it's more 1030 00:38:01,520 --> 00:38:04,000 favorable than not that it's we could 1031 00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,960 use the property as we intend. But, um I 1032 00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,200 did have a question on um like you guys 1033 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,560 were saying about the entrance to the 1034 00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:14,000 city. Where is our uh city boundary 1035 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:15,760 relative to 1036 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:16,880 >> it's just south of that 1037 00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,760 >> two two properties south. So 1038 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,359 >> right 1039 00:38:21,359 --> 00:38:21,920 >> is it right 1040 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:22,800 >> Winterbus? 1041 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,480 >> Is it right on the road west? 1042 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,960 >> It's it's north. Keep going north who? 1043 00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:28,079 Okay down 1044 00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:28,560 >> right there. 1045 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:29,839 Yep. 1046 00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:32,240 >> Okay. So the the um circular driveway is 1047 00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:33,599 Highland. 1048 00:38:33,599 --> 00:38:34,079 >> Yes. 1049 00:38:34,079 --> 00:38:36,400 >> And then that Okay. So that's okay. So 1050 00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:38,640 that was one clarification I was curious 1051 00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:41,760 about. The other thing was um I I think 1052 00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,200 people are accessing that because 1053 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,280 looking at the way the land is divided 1054 00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,760 up, some are landlocked. 1055 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,720 Is that right? 1056 00:38:50,720 --> 00:38:53,280 >> So again to make it only pedestrian we 1057 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:58,400 would landlock somebody. So again that is is am I 1058 00:38:58,400 --> 00:38:58,800 >> so 1059 00:38:58,800 --> 00:38:59,920 >> or clarify 1060 00:38:59,920 --> 00:39:02,240 >> the situation's kind of changed over the 1061 00:39:02,240 --> 00:39:05,359 years. Um so the area where it says 1062 00:39:05,359 --> 00:39:08,880 Bradic Lane and Ra McTar Park that was 1063 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,920 developed as one subdivision. Mhm. 1064 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,880 >> And so one survey that's on record with 1065 00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,880 the county shows that property 1066 00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,280 pre-development plus a cherry stem 1067 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:24,720 access out to Al Alpine Highway. 1068 00:39:24,720 --> 00:39:27,359 A later survey 1069 00:39:27,359 --> 00:39:29,440 um is where the thought that maybe this 1070 00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,880 is city right away came into play which 1071 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,400 honestly and I said this when they 1072 00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:38,000 brought it in a few probably four, five 1073 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,200 might have been six years ago. Um, I 1074 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:46,640 didn't necessarily agree with that. If Alagany Way had been there for a 1075 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:49,680 long, long time. Um, and that's what 1076 00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:51,839 David kind of said, you know, it lead 1077 00:39:51,839 --> 00:39:54,079 you to believe that could be could have 1078 00:39:54,079 --> 00:39:58,480 been uh for a future road, but it was 1079 00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:02,800 all like a hayfield. And so that's where 1080 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,960 I've been hesitant on this. Um, 1081 00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,320 I believe this area in red was there as 1082 00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:13,760 an access well before Alageney Way was 1083 00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,040 ever there 1084 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,119 >> because the Hayfield was landlocked. 1085 00:40:17,119 --> 00:40:19,520 >> Yeah. And it had it went clear to Canyon 1086 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:20,880 Crest Road. 1087 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:21,200 >> Oh. 1088 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:23,280 >> And so they had access the big part of 1089 00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:24,880 the Hayfield which is now the South 1090 00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:26,960 Point subdivision which was developed in 1091 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,720 like the mid probably around 95. It had 1092 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:33,440 access from Canyon Crest Road. But the 1093 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,960 Rachel McTar Park and Bradock Lane area 1094 00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:39,520 did not. And I believe they access 1095 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:41,680 through this lane. 1096 00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,400 And so I think that's why it's there. 1097 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,480 Not that it was planned for a future 1098 00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:47,680 city right away. 1099 00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,960 >> But but if if if we if it turns out in 1100 00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,359 our favor and we can use use this how we 1101 00:40:53,359 --> 00:40:56,160 would intend, does it leave any parcels 1102 00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:57,760 landlocked? 1103 00:40:57,760 --> 00:40:59,599 Um, 1104 00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:00,640 so 1105 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:01,440 >> I think some of 1106 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,680 >> one of the properties I think Spikes has 1107 00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,359 a little cherry stem that goes out to 1108 00:41:05,359 --> 00:41:07,359 Alpine High Highway, 1109 00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:10,720 >> but the Coopers does not. Right. 1110 00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,520 >> Did you want to separate? 1111 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:16,079 >> Yeah. Why don't you come up? Why don't 1112 00:41:16,079 --> 00:41:18,400 you come up and Hey, Andrew, can you 1113 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:18,880 just 1114 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:20,240 >> Oh, sorry. I thought you wanted 1115 00:41:20,240 --> 00:41:22,880 >> Can you come up and state your name and 1116 00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:24,640 the address and then if you wanted to 1117 00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,160 make a statement as the property owner 1118 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,520 that we're discussing? 1119 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:28,800 >> Yes. I'm going to try to talk really 1120 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,160 fast because I don't know you only give 1121 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:31,119 three minutes. 1122 00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,839 >> Um okay, quickly Metro which used to be 1123 00:41:33,839 --> 00:41:36,240 the Oh, April Cooper 1136 Birch Circle, 1124 00:41:36,240 --> 00:41:38,560 Alpine, Utah. I know that um a long time 1125 00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:41,200 ago a piece of land was sold to the USA. 1126 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,440 Then it went to Metro. So it's likely 1127 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:45,599 that even if the city had a piece of 1128 00:41:45,599 --> 00:41:47,839 land that it stops at Metro and then 1129 00:41:47,839 --> 00:41:50,319 starts again at at Alagany. So it's 1130 00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:52,640 unlikely that the city has continuous. 1131 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,800 Just north of the 1993 survey that's on 1132 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:58,720 page 111. If you can show that it was 1133 00:41:58,720 --> 00:42:01,359 marked as an access lane. I have a piece 1134 00:42:01,359 --> 00:42:04,800 of property right next to Willard Cypes 1135 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:08,240 that has used this access for decades. 1136 00:42:08,240 --> 00:42:10,960 The KE has used it previously. I've used 1137 00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,359 it now. So, it would landlock that piece 1138 00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:14,960 of property. I know there's people in 1139 00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:16,319 the room that are like, "Oh, April has 1140 00:42:16,319 --> 00:42:18,240 another piece of property on Alpine 1141 00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:20,160 Highway, but that's Desert Livestock 1142 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,599 LLC. That's a a company that owns rental 1143 00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:25,520 properties that I have part ownership." 1144 00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,040 But I own just the piece at the north of 1145 00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:32,240 Metro. And so, that is the only access 1146 00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:35,359 to get to it. Now, if you closed it off 1147 00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:36,960 and did a walking trail, remember that 1148 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:39,680 Willard Cypes has 17 feet that goes to 1149 00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,079 Alpine Highway. So he and if he gives me 1150 00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:44,240 access, we can still buzz by. So you're 1151 00:42:44,240 --> 00:42:47,599 not going to stop the the access. Also, 1152 00:42:47,599 --> 00:42:49,760 Lehi Irrigation has a ditch there. So 1153 00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:50,960 they're going to need to get involved. 1154 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:52,640 So I think you're going to have Metro, 1155 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:54,160 Lehi, 1156 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,480 um me being landlocked, Willard Cypes 1157 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:57,839 being landlocked because Metro's told 1158 00:42:57,839 --> 00:43:00,400 him he can't access his property from 1159 00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,400 Alagany and his property is a flagship 1160 00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:04,160 lot. So I think there's a lot more 1161 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,319 issues than just the city potentially 1162 00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:09,280 picking up 33 feet. Um, if it's divided 1163 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:10,960 between property owners, then that would 1164 00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,040 be Phil Williams and Willard Cypes. My 1165 00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,040 property is not contiguous to that 1166 00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,160 access lane. But it is important to me 1167 00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,280 to not have a demunition of value and to 1168 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:23,680 not be able to get to that back back 1169 00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:26,079 property unless the city or residents 1170 00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:29,839 could help me get access from Alagany. 1171 00:43:29,839 --> 00:43:31,760 Like if Metro would give us a driveway 1172 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,520 or something, then we could potential 1173 00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:36,000 potentially consider cutting it off. 1174 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,240 Okay. I think if you if you advance it a 1175 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:39,599 couple more slides, you can see all the 1176 00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:41,200 names you just mentioned. 1177 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,160 >> And I do have about a 200page survey 1178 00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,079 that goes goes back like a hundred years 1179 00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:48,160 from when the USA went through and 1180 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:50,720 bought all those pieces of land. And I 1181 00:43:50,720 --> 00:43:52,800 did a lot of work with the title company 1182 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:57,440 on this about six years ago in 2020. But 1183 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,760 the reason page 111's important to me is 1184 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:03,599 because it was marked as access lane 1185 00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:05,280 >> right here. See all these pieces she's 1186 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:06,720 talking about? So, those are all been 1187 00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:10,640 chopped up. 10, 06, 36, 37, 12. Are 1188 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:11,920 those all the ones you were just 1189 00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:13,200 mentioning, April? 1190 00:44:13,200 --> 00:44:14,640 >> I'm mentioning. Do you see where the 1191 00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:16,160 property that says Leland? 1192 00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:17,040 >> Yeah, that's what you're 1193 00:44:17,040 --> 00:44:19,680 >> talking about. Just 1194 00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:22,640 west of that, Willard has a flagship 1195 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,720 lot. It's not drawn correctly on here. 1196 00:44:24,720 --> 00:44:26,400 He's got 17 ft that goes out to the 1197 00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:28,160 Alpine Highway, which is north of this 1198 00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:31,119 access lane. So, his is a flagship lot. 1199 00:44:31,119 --> 00:44:34,480 Then west of his that property there 1200 00:44:34,480 --> 00:44:36,560 that you can see metro cutting through 1201 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:38,960 that is April Cooper. So I have a little 1202 00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:40,960 triangle at the bottom and then I have 1203 00:44:40,960 --> 00:44:43,040 kind of a weird shaped triangle at the 1204 00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:44,880 top. 1205 00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:46,000 >> Yep. Okay. 1206 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,960 >> And Metro has claimed we cannot have 1207 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,079 formal entry into our lots through 1208 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:54,079 Alagany Way. So Alpine Highway is the 1209 00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:56,720 only way to get to those two lots. 1210 00:44:56,720 --> 00:44:58,319 That's what I've heard. 1211 00:44:58,319 --> 00:45:00,560 >> Okay. Okay. So I just wanted to say Lehi 1212 00:45:00,560 --> 00:45:03,359 irrigation, Lehi water, Lehi irrigation 1213 00:45:03,359 --> 00:45:04,960 company would need to be involved. Metro 1214 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:07,520 would need to be involved 1215 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,200 >> and worried about 1216 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:12,079 >> an access and I don't I don't know if I 1217 00:45:12,079 --> 00:45:14,000 would have a prescriptive easement or 1218 00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,280 not, but KE has used it for 50 years and 1219 00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:19,119 we've used it for six years. 1220 00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:20,480 >> Okay. Thank you. 1221 00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,520 >> And Alpine City has a sewer line there. 1222 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,040 But one thing I wanted to point out 1223 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,880 also, uh, Kaden, if you take your 1224 00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:30,240 cursor, see the 37 and 12 clo Yeah, 1225 00:45:30,240 --> 00:45:31,680 right there. And then that little mark 1226 00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,640 just below the 110. So typically that 1227 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,640 would show, and David could comment on 1228 00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:40,720 this too, that that what's shown as 1229 00:45:40,720 --> 00:45:44,400 rideway and the Ley Johnson uh property 1230 00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:46,960 would be together. If you see this the 1231 00:45:46,960 --> 00:45:49,920 same mark over here on Williams's 1232 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:53,119 property that shows separate parcels but 1233 00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:56,560 they're like under the same 1234 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:58,400 >> like a square S. 1235 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:01,280 >> But then also if you look it says R-W 1236 00:46:01,280 --> 00:46:04,079 which for right away 1237 00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:05,839 >> so 1238 00:46:05,839 --> 00:46:07,920 these are thing and and this plat's not 1239 00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:10,560 current. This is probably from 1240 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:11,359 >> I think it has a date 1241 00:46:11,359 --> 00:46:12,720 >> 15 years ago or more. 1242 00:46:12,720 --> 00:46:14,319 >> No, this one's really old. This one's 1243 00:46:14,319 --> 00:46:16,079 like really old. Yeah, could be could be 1244 00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:17,359 even further back. Definitely 1245 00:46:17,359 --> 00:46:19,200 pre-development of the Bradock Lane 1246 00:46:19,200 --> 00:46:20,960 subdivision. 1247 00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:24,960 Um, and so these are all things that to 1248 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,760 me point that it's someone other than 1249 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,200 the city. And that's why 1250 00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:33,280 if we're going to spend money on it, I 1251 00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,119 wanted it to come from the council 1252 00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:36,960 decision and not mine because there's 1253 00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:38,800 too many things to me that point that 1254 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,480 different direction. 1255 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:42,960 So you would say it's in my criteria I'm 1256 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,160 looking for something that says it's 1257 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:45,839 more likely than not. You're saying it's 1258 00:46:45,839 --> 00:46:48,160 unlikely it it would fall in. 1259 00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,079 >> That's always been my opinion. Even when 1260 00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:52,319 the second surveyor which was Ed Gford 1261 00:46:52,319 --> 00:46:54,560 came in and had the survey, he thought 1262 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,920 it was city. I couldn't follow the logic 1263 00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:59,200 why it would be. 1264 00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:00,000 >> Okay. Thank you. 1265 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,920 >> So you know there's Mr. Williams would 1266 00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:03,599 like to make a comment. So if you like 1267 00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:05,200 to come up state your name and your 1268 00:47:05,200 --> 00:47:07,119 address and you have you will also have 1269 00:47:07,119 --> 00:47:10,710 three minutes. 1270 00:47:10,720 --> 00:47:15,520 Uh, Phil Williams, um, 927 South Alpine 1271 00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:19,359 Highway. I got the property south of 1272 00:47:19,359 --> 00:47:23,440 this easement. I've seen that property 1273 00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:28,400 sold many, many times. And Shane, you do 1274 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,920 have an easement going through there. 1275 00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:34,240 The sewer easement goes through right up 1276 00:47:34,240 --> 00:47:37,920 against my fence line. So, and then the 1277 00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,160 Lehi Irrigation has a ditch. So, there's 1278 00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:47,119 two easements and two rideaways. 1279 00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:51,200 And uh Leland Johnson sent me that flat 1280 00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:56,800 to u see if I wanted to uh dispute uh 1281 00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,359 that subdivision. And I said, "No, go 1282 00:47:59,359 --> 00:48:02,640 ahead and and do that." And he told me 1283 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:04,240 that he was going to leave that as a 1284 00:48:04,240 --> 00:48:08,720 walking path. and that's was that way 1285 00:48:08,720 --> 00:48:12,240 for for many years. Thank you. 1286 00:48:12,240 --> 00:48:13,920 >> And I don't dispute the city has an 1287 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:15,200 easement for the sewer, but 1288 00:48:15,200 --> 00:48:16,800 unfortunately I have not been able to 1289 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:18,960 find a recorded easement. It's been 1290 00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:22,480 there for since probably 1995. 1291 00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,200 And it could have been there was a a bad 1292 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:27,040 description, so it didn't get recorded 1293 00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,640 where it was supposed to or something 1294 00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:30,720 like that. I've seen it happen in other 1295 00:48:30,720 --> 00:48:33,200 places in the city, but there's not an 1296 00:48:33,200 --> 00:48:34,800 easement that I've been able to find 1297 00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,680 showing up here for that sewer. 1298 00:48:37,680 --> 00:48:41,119 >> But but there is a sewer going through 1299 00:48:41,119 --> 00:48:41,280 that. 1300 00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:42,720 >> We have a sewer there, right? 1301 00:48:42,720 --> 00:48:44,480 >> We have a sewer there. It's been there 1302 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,720 for over 20 years. So 1303 00:48:46,720 --> 00:48:48,720 >> So yes, we have a prescription. 1304 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:50,160 >> We have a prescription easement for the 1305 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:51,599 sewer, but not for anything else, 1306 00:48:51,599 --> 00:48:53,599 >> but a recorded document. 1307 00:48:53,599 --> 00:48:54,559 >> We just don't have the recorded 1308 00:48:54,559 --> 00:48:56,000 document. 1309 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,000 >> I just have a follow-up question. I 1310 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,720 mean, council member Hanaman said that 1311 00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:02,800 it may not be, you know, what we hope at 1312 00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,480 the end if if the property goes to 1313 00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,640 either neighbor, but there's also 1314 00:49:08,640 --> 00:49:10,240 another option. Maybe one of those 1315 00:49:10,240 --> 00:49:12,160 neighbors would grant the city an 1316 00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:13,760 easement and we wouldn't have to go to 1317 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,000 trial or get a judgment. It's just 1318 00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,000 something that the neighbor might want 1319 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,079 to do what the original intent was from 1320 00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:23,280 the original developer. I believe you 1321 00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,960 said it was Leland Johnson, which is 1322 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:27,119 just uphold 1323 00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:29,359 that goal for the city. 1324 00:49:29,359 --> 00:49:31,200 >> Is Mr. Johnson still the property owner 1325 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:31,680 of that? 1326 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:32,559 >> No. 1327 00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:34,240 This was just at the time he brought 1328 00:49:34,240 --> 00:49:36,000 the development in. He went to this 1329 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:38,319 gentleman and said, "Here's my plan, and 1330 00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:40,400 I'd like that to be a walking trail." 1331 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,240 So, I mean, it seems like there are a 1332 00:49:42,240 --> 00:49:44,079 lot of stories, and that's why we need 1333 00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:45,680 to look deeper. 1334 00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,240 >> One comment is that the uh 1335 00:49:48,240 --> 00:49:50,000 >> mayor, the uh residents who live by 1336 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:52,000 there have been working together. We we 1337 00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,559 do not want to create a problem for any 1338 00:49:54,559 --> 00:49:56,240 resident living on the south, the north. 1339 00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:57,920 We want this to be a win-win. We don't 1340 00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,800 want to overserve power, but we want to 1341 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,359 improve it. So, I'm willing to do it at 1342 00:50:03,359 --> 00:50:05,680 any at a as a collaborative effort 1343 00:50:05,680 --> 00:50:07,920 between them if they own it as a 1344 00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,760 supportive effort or if it is a city 1345 00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:11,920 thing, as a city effort with their 1346 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,359 input, not overruling them. So, is 1347 00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:18,160 everyone okay that um we work with the 1348 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:22,000 county to see what their um what their 1349 00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:24,160 opinion is and then go from there? We 1350 00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:25,839 can once we get their opinion, we can 1351 00:50:25,839 --> 00:50:28,240 bring it back and we can vote on the 1352 00:50:28,240 --> 00:50:29,440 maximum amount. 1353 00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:29,680 >> Sure. 1354 00:50:29,680 --> 00:50:31,760 >> Is that agreeable? 1355 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:32,400 >> Yeah. 1356 00:50:32,400 --> 00:50:38,630 >> Okay, let's move on then. Um I 1357 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,559 » sure if you could state your name and 1358 00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:42,079 your address and give them three 1359 00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:44,640 minutes. David, 1360 00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:45,839 >> are you going to say something different 1361 00:50:45,839 --> 00:50:47,200 than what's already been said? 1362 00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:51,440 >> So, um, Gary Cooper, 1136 Birch, I I 1363 00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:53,760 think Metro is going to have to protest 1364 00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:55,599 participate because it cuts through so 1365 00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:59,440 much and the I think like the Williams 1366 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:00,960 that they don't want to see traffic on 1367 00:51:00,960 --> 00:51:02,880 that road and and the city wants to see 1368 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:06,640 a walking path and I think 1369 00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,079 but I just want to say this about the 1370 00:51:08,079 --> 00:51:11,040 walking path. To me, it makes more sense 1371 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:12,720 if that walking path went from the 1372 00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:15,520 Alagany Park in that circle and it went 1373 00:51:15,520 --> 00:51:18,400 right toward the Alpine City sign. So, 1374 00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:20,160 in other words, we got to get Metro to 1375 00:51:20,160 --> 00:51:22,400 allow it and and if we went that way 1376 00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,160 because I don't know that we want to 1377 00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:26,240 encourage kids after soccer games to 1378 00:51:26,240 --> 00:51:29,040 walk out to a highway with no sidewalk 1379 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,200 and just be to it. But if we're going to 1380 00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,440 get Metro on board, if we did the 1381 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,520 walking path that led to the north and 1382 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:36,960 came out right by the Alpine City, 1383 00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:38,960 welcome to Alpine City. I think it'd be 1384 00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,599 a lot safer and I think everybody would 1385 00:51:41,599 --> 00:51:43,680 be happy. Then we could close that road 1386 00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:46,640 off to driving through traffic stuff and 1387 00:51:46,640 --> 00:51:50,240 we'd have the walking path and 1388 00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:53,280 >> no the highway is extremely dangerous. 1389 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,440 >> We're trying to fix that too. 1390 00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:58,960 >> Thank you. Okay, let's u move on to item 1391 00:51:58,960 --> 00:52:00,640 B which is the boundary adjustment with 1392 00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:03,359 Draper. Um, did you want to say anything 1393 00:52:03,359 --> 00:52:06,319 before I open the public hearing or? 1394 00:52:06,319 --> 00:52:08,160 >> Uh, Kate, you want to just introduce 1395 00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,359 this and then 1396 00:52:09,359 --> 00:52:11,599 >> Yeah, sure. And I'll just introduce it 1397 00:52:11,599 --> 00:52:14,160 briefly. Um, 1398 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:15,680 so 1399 00:52:15,680 --> 00:52:17,440 in March at the March 10th city council 1400 00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,880 meeting, there was a resolution proposed 1401 00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:20,800 to hold a public hearing for the 1402 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:22,640 consideration of a proposed boundary 1403 00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:24,640 adjustment with Draper City that would 1404 00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:25,920 amend the outline plan and Draper 1405 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,440 boundaries. Um, so that was adopted and 1406 00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,359 there was a 60-day waiting period that 1407 00:52:31,359 --> 00:52:34,400 was required per state statute and so 1408 00:52:34,400 --> 00:52:37,359 that 60-day period is up and it can now 1409 00:52:37,359 --> 00:52:40,000 be considered for public hearing. Um, 1410 00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:42,480 and I know I think David Mortonson is 1411 00:52:42,480 --> 00:52:45,280 here and so I have here on our uh 1412 00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:47,119 background information an email that he 1413 00:52:47,119 --> 00:52:50,000 sent to the city to as part of the 1414 00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:51,680 application to describe what would be 1415 00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:53,839 happening here. Um there would be three 1416 00:52:53,839 --> 00:52:55,760 parcels in Alpine that would gain a 1417 00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,599 little bit of acreage. Uh that would 1418 00:52:57,599 --> 00:53:00,720 total out to be about 045 1419 00:53:00,720 --> 00:53:02,319 acres 1420 00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:04,960 and there's the rationale as well. Um if 1421 00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:06,880 the council members I'm sure they've had 1422 00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,960 the chance to look at that and to 1423 00:53:08,960 --> 00:53:12,720 consider it. So yeah, Draper City has 1424 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:15,760 already approved a resolution uh at 1425 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:17,920 their city council meeting in February 1426 00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:19,599 acknowledging its intent to adjust the 1427 00:53:19,599 --> 00:53:23,280 boundary with Alpine and then also they 1428 00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:25,520 have already adopted an ordinance to do 1429 00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,480 the same. So if the city council uh 1430 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,720 intends to pursue this uh proposed 1431 00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:32,160 boundary adjustment between Alpine and 1432 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:33,839 Draper, the ordinance can be created and 1433 00:53:33,839 --> 00:53:38,549 taken under consideration for adoption. 1434 00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:41,280 Okay, I'm going to go ahead and open the 1435 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,200 public hearing and then once we have the 1436 00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:45,119 public hearing, we'll proceed with 1437 00:53:45,119 --> 00:53:47,280 questions and discussion within council. 1438 00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:49,359 Okay, I declared the public hearing 1439 00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:51,040 open. Is there anyone from the public 1440 00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,280 that would like to address this issue? 1441 00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:55,520 You can come up to the microphone, state 1442 00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,400 your name and um street name and the 1443 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,240 city, and then you'll have three minutes 1444 00:54:00,240 --> 00:54:09,510 to make your remark. 1445 00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,280 Sorry, 1446 00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:13,200 >> I didn't know what it was called, so I 1447 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:16,319 left it blank. My apologies. Tom Watkins 1448 00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:19,280 on H Summit Way. 1449 00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,559 Um, as each of you are aware, the 1450 00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,800 development in that whole area has been 1451 00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,119 a hot button for probably about 15 1452 00:54:27,119 --> 00:54:28,800 years. 1453 00:54:28,800 --> 00:54:31,839 and uh it came across my well from a 1454 00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:33,040 neighbor of mine that there was some 1455 00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:37,440 discussion about amending that plat 1456 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:40,480 and and things of that nature. Well, 1457 00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:42,240 that got the neighborhood real hot and 1458 00:54:42,240 --> 00:54:45,520 heavy. And so I reached out to them and 1459 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,599 found out what their thoughts were on an 1460 00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:52,079 amended plat for those four lots. And of 1461 00:54:52,079 --> 00:54:54,720 course there was a very strong opinion, 1462 00:54:54,720 --> 00:54:58,480 no way that we've gone to court. We've 1463 00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,480 been all we spent the city has spent a 1464 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:04,319 lot of money. The uh members of Alpine 1465 00:55:04,319 --> 00:55:05,599 have spent a lot of money. Our 1466 00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:07,599 neighborhood has spent a lot of money. 1467 00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:10,640 And it's been about 15 plus years to 1468 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,000 come to that agreement. Those four lots 1469 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:18,319 are it. We're done. And so, 1470 00:55:18,319 --> 00:55:20,559 um I've gotten couple questions from 1471 00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:22,480 several of you about what's our feeling 1472 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,800 about this adjustment. We don't have any 1473 00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:28,079 opinion. If whatever works out great, as 1474 00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:31,280 long as there's no adjustment to the 1475 00:55:31,280 --> 00:55:34,160 existing plat of four lots, if the 1476 00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:36,319 boundary with Draper and Ap and uh 1477 00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:39,599 Alpine needs to be done, so be it. No 1478 00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:43,200 opinion. Uh but again, we do not want to 1479 00:55:43,200 --> 00:55:46,960 do anything that opens up to a possible 1480 00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,040 amendment to the plat if that's the 1481 00:55:49,040 --> 00:55:51,040 proper term. 1482 00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,520 And so now I got about three emails 1483 00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:55,440 today from council members wanting to 1484 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,000 know if I had any questions about it. If 1485 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:00,000 you have any questions other than that, 1486 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:03,440 feel free to ask me. But again, as long 1487 00:56:03,440 --> 00:56:05,280 as it doesn't amend the plat that's up 1488 00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:06,960 there, the four lots stay the way they 1489 00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:11,280 are, we're as happy as can be. 1490 00:56:11,280 --> 00:56:21,430 Okay. Thank you. Anybody else? 1491 00:56:21,440 --> 00:56:25,280 Hello, I'm David Whitbeck. Um, I live in 1492 00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:26,799 Providence 1493 00:56:26,799 --> 00:56:30,799 and back in I guess it was 2023, my wife 1494 00:56:30,799 --> 00:56:34,880 and I found our dream lot in Alpine. Um, 1495 00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:38,160 it's one of these lots and our dream lot 1496 00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:40,960 happened to border Draper City. So, 1497 00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,040 after months of due diligence, we 1498 00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:46,559 finally closed on it in August of 2024. 1499 00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:49,359 Um there are some metal surveyor stakes 1500 00:56:49,359 --> 00:56:52,240 that showed um our lot boundaries and 1501 00:56:52,240 --> 00:56:57,040 where Draper city is and we walked the boundaries with the with the 1502 00:56:57,040 --> 00:56:58,400 surveyor. We wanted to know what we were 1503 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,720 getting. Anyway, bottom line is after we 1504 00:57:00,720 --> 00:57:02,559 closed on it, we learned that the Draper 1505 00:57:02,559 --> 00:57:05,280 city limits and the Alpine city limits 1506 00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:08,240 uh weren't well according to the the the 1507 00:57:08,240 --> 00:57:10,880 county, the boundary was about 20 ft to 1508 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,240 the east. And so David Mortonson dug 1509 00:57:14,240 --> 00:57:15,839 into it, found an error that was made 1510 00:57:15,839 --> 00:57:18,559 with the county and the county told him 1511 00:57:18,559 --> 00:57:20,640 that in order to resolve this, what he 1512 00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,960 needed to do is basically have Draper 1513 00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:27,040 City remove that point4 acres from the 1514 00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:28,799 point4 acres isn't all our property. 1515 00:57:28,799 --> 00:57:30,400 There's there's several lots involved. 1516 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,400 Anyway, remove that from from Draper 1517 00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,559 City boundaries and then Alpine City 1518 00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:37,760 just annexes it and moves it back to 1519 00:57:37,760 --> 00:57:40,319 where the stakes are. And so I'm here 1520 00:57:40,319 --> 00:57:41,920 just because we'd really like the 1521 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,319 property that we bought. Thank you. 1522 00:57:44,319 --> 00:57:48,870 >> Thank you. 1523 00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:51,359 » Okay. Anybody else here for public 1524 00:57:51,359 --> 00:57:53,040 comment? If not, I'll go ahead and 1525 00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:54,640 close. 1526 00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,839 >> Okay. Close the public hearing. 1527 00:57:57,839 --> 00:57:59,440 Um 1528 00:57:59,440 --> 00:58:01,839 we'll start with Councilman Rmler. 1529 00:58:01,839 --> 00:58:05,680 >> Yes. Um Mr. Doxy, I was able to roughly 1530 00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:08,079 review your your response to this. In 1531 00:58:08,079 --> 00:58:10,880 summary, it sounds like your your 1532 00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:12,960 position is the approval of this 1533 00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:17,599 petition will not require 1534 00:58:17,599 --> 00:58:22,079 or have any any bearing on um any kind 1535 00:58:22,079 --> 00:58:25,119 of uh amendment of plat in the future. 1536 00:58:25,119 --> 00:58:26,880 Is that right? 1537 00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:29,119 >> That's correct. Okay. If that's the 1538 00:58:29,119 --> 00:58:33,040 case, I am in support of this. 1539 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:35,599 That's all I have. Although with the 1540 00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:38,240 caveat that there is some indication in 1541 00:58:38,240 --> 00:58:41,280 the correspondence that that's one of 1542 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:42,559 the desired results. 1543 00:58:42,559 --> 00:58:44,960 >> Correct. And they were citing some of 1544 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:46,559 the benefits that they saw of that. But 1545 00:58:46,559 --> 00:58:48,079 I don't I don't think it's a condition 1546 00:58:48,079 --> 00:58:57,109 of what you're looking for. Okay. 1547 00:58:57,119 --> 00:58:59,839 » Uh no further questions. Thanks. 1548 00:58:59,839 --> 00:59:02,000 >> All right. 1549 00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:08,470 >> A plat amendment. Right. 1550 00:59:08,480 --> 00:59:11,440 » Very good. I support your petition. 1551 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:13,839 >> Okay. And my question would be for um 1552 00:59:13,839 --> 00:59:16,160 the surveyor. 1553 00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,760 >> So if you could come up. Yeah, 1554 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:23,349 >> that'd be great. 1555 00:59:23,359 --> 00:59:27,200 » So just restating that that this 1556 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:30,079 boundary adjustment is unrelated to a 1557 00:59:30,079 --> 00:59:31,920 plat amendment. Doesn't trigger a plat 1558 00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:34,640 amendment. doesn't impact a tra plat 1559 00:59:34,640 --> 00:59:37,920 amendment, doesn't infer next steps for 1560 00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:39,040 a plat amendment. 1561 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,720 >> This has nothing to do with a plat 1562 00:59:40,720 --> 00:59:42,799 amendment. This is purely just to move 1563 00:59:42,799 --> 00:59:44,960 the boundary back where it was intended 1564 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:46,480 to be. 1565 00:59:46,480 --> 00:59:48,480 >> And then right now, who owns that 1566 00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:51,119 property that's sitting in that space? 1567 00:59:51,119 --> 00:59:54,079 >> So, there's lots of answers to that. Um, 1568 00:59:54,079 --> 00:59:57,440 it it varies. As a surveyor, like I said 1569 00:59:57,440 --> 00:59:59,599 earlier, there's no boundary. There's no 1570 00:59:59,599 --> 01:00:04,000 gaps or or b or on the ground. This one 1571 01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,480 doesn't have a gap on the ground because 1572 01:00:06,480 --> 01:00:08,960 those monuments were there. Those 1573 01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:10,799 monuments were created by the person 1574 01:00:10,799 --> 01:00:13,839 that created the plat, the surveyor who 1575 01:00:13,839 --> 01:00:16,799 created the plat 1576 01:00:16,799 --> 01:00:19,280 that was owned by the person who 1577 01:00:19,280 --> 01:00:22,240 dedicated the plat or created the plat, 1578 01:00:22,240 --> 01:00:24,720 the owner of the property at the time. 1579 01:00:24,720 --> 01:00:27,440 The intent was is that the whole gap 1580 01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,559 that's there currently plus that entire 1581 01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:33,520 subdivision was a part of that. So 1582 01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,799 there's no boundary in my opinion. Lot 1583 01:00:36,799 --> 01:00:40,480 four and lot three own that gap area. 1584 01:00:40,480 --> 01:00:43,119 >> Okay. Thank you. 1585 01:00:43,119 --> 01:00:45,359 >> Um I am in favor of a boundary 1586 01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:48,799 adjustment. I guess my only question is 1587 01:00:48,799 --> 01:00:50,960 if we adjust the boundary, does that 1588 01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:55,760 adjust also their parcel line? 1589 01:00:55,760 --> 01:00:59,040 >> As I said, they they own to those 1590 01:00:59,040 --> 01:01:02,000 property pins. So, I've talked to 1591 01:01:02,000 --> 01:01:06,720 several surveyors, including one of the main surveyors who teaches boundary 1592 01:01:06,720 --> 01:01:09,280 law in the state. His name's John Stall. 1593 01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,680 Um he he says because those bound those 1594 01:01:11,680 --> 01:01:13,440 pins are there, that was the intent of 1595 01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,760 the plat. That was the intent of the 1596 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,319 owner that was subdividing it. It just 1597 01:01:18,319 --> 01:01:22,880 had this weird city boundary from 1855 1598 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,599 that caused the county 1599 01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:28,880 mapper, not not any surveyor, not 1600 01:01:28,880 --> 01:01:32,559 anybody, cause some mapper to say you 1601 01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:34,559 can't do that. 1602 01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:37,040 But and that was at the last second. So 1603 01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:39,680 it even went through Alpine City at that 1604 01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:42,720 time with the boundary being over to the 1605 01:01:42,720 --> 01:01:45,119 west of the gap. it got to the county. 1606 01:01:45,119 --> 01:01:48,559 made them erase numbers and 1607 01:01:48,559 --> 01:01:50,720 write it in. We don't like doing that 1608 01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:53,680 because it makes our pretty plats ugly. 1609 01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:54,480 So, 1610 01:01:54,480 --> 01:01:56,880 >> okay. And not to just be continue to 1611 01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,200 beat a dead horse, but so we could do 1612 01:01:59,200 --> 01:02:01,040 this boundary adjustment, but then 1613 01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:02,720 that's it. We don't need to do a plot 1614 01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:03,520 amendment. 1615 01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,720 >> In my opinion, no. Um there is laws that 1616 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:08,880 the owners of the properties can do a 1617 01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:12,400 boundary establishment. Now just to show 1618 01:02:12,400 --> 01:02:15,680 that um my intent is is to record a 1619 01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,040 survey that shows record and measured as 1620 01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,599 that being the boundary of those lots. 1621 01:02:21,599 --> 01:02:22,480 >> Okay. Thank you. 1622 01:02:22,480 --> 01:02:24,160 >> That just gets recorded at the county 1623 01:02:24,160 --> 01:02:27,280 surveyor. It's not title. Title is a 1624 01:02:27,280 --> 01:02:28,720 different thing. So 1625 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,839 >> So just to be clear, just so you don't 1626 01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:33,599 it's a little bit confusing. I think 1627 01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:36,400 that the terminology when we talk about 1628 01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:38,640 a boundary adjustment, we're typically 1629 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:42,079 talking about an adjustment between lots 1630 01:02:42,079 --> 01:02:43,920 or parcels. 1631 01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:45,839 But this is a municipal boundary 1632 01:02:45,839 --> 01:02:48,319 adjustment. It doesn't affect ownership 1633 01:02:48,319 --> 01:02:51,599 of a lot or a parcel. It's just you 1634 01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:54,240 would move the boundary to the municipal 1635 01:02:54,240 --> 01:02:56,960 boundary, the city boundaries to the 1636 01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,920 west, as I understand at about 20 ft. 1637 01:02:59,920 --> 01:03:02,079 >> Yeah. Plus or minus. It's a little 1638 01:03:02,079 --> 01:03:03,200 triangle. 1639 01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,680 The bottom is a little bit bigger, top 1640 01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:06,960 is a little bit less. 1641 01:03:06,960 --> 01:03:08,720 >> Alpine does a little more property tax 1642 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:10,480 and Draper gets a little less. 1643 01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:12,640 >> Right. And Draper is all fine with it. 1644 01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:18,789 They've said yes to this. So, 1645 01:03:18,799 --> 01:03:21,039 » thank you. I appreciate all the diligent 1646 01:03:21,039 --> 01:03:23,200 questions, so I won't repeat them. Just 1647 01:03:23,200 --> 01:03:26,720 to add um that I I like to always get an 1648 01:03:26,720 --> 01:03:28,319 outside opinion, and so I know someone 1649 01:03:28,319 --> 01:03:29,760 in this industry who explained it 1650 01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,760 exactly is what they're saying. So, I 1651 01:03:31,760 --> 01:03:33,520 love when I hear someone without a horse 1652 01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:35,440 in the race to just say exactly what the 1653 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:40,480 people who care about it. So, we're in we're um everything is 1654 01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:43,119 consistent from all all mess all sides. 1655 01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:44,960 So, thank you for taking the time to do 1656 01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:45,520 that. 1657 01:03:45,520 --> 01:03:47,599 >> And I'm in favor. 1658 01:03:47,599 --> 01:03:49,039 >> Andrew. 1659 01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:51,359 >> Um Kaden, I have a picture of it just 1660 01:03:51,359 --> 01:03:54,079 that might help people uh see what we're 1661 01:03:54,079 --> 01:03:55,920 talking about. It's very different on 1662 01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,960 foot than by view. And thank you, Tom, 1663 01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,680 for all the comments. I do apologize for 1664 01:04:01,680 --> 01:04:03,599 uh causing commotion when I asked about 1665 01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:06,799 this. Um I I have a couple questions 1666 01:04:06,799 --> 01:04:08,480 while he's bringing that up. It's Oh, I 1667 01:04:08,480 --> 01:04:10,799 didn't share my folder with you. Sorry. 1668 01:04:10,799 --> 01:04:12,960 Never mind. Uh I'll share it after and 1669 01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,319 if it's helpful, we can bring it up. I 1670 01:04:14,319 --> 01:04:15,680 should have shared I should just keep 1671 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,559 one folder. Um 1672 01:04:18,559 --> 01:04:21,680 so, uh am I right in looking at this 1673 01:04:21,680 --> 01:04:24,880 that it's angled? 1674 01:04:24,880 --> 01:04:26,799 >> Angled? What do you mean by angle? 1675 01:04:26,799 --> 01:04:29,280 >> The boundary line appears angled. Is it 1676 01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:30,720 perfectly square or angle? Does it go 1677 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:33,599 from zero to like 20 feet like a pipe? 1678 01:04:33,599 --> 01:04:34,079 >> Yeah, 1679 01:04:34,079 --> 01:04:34,880 >> a really long. 1680 01:04:34,880 --> 01:04:38,160 >> Yeah, it's it's a whole bunch of things 1681 01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:41,440 like the the world is the US is split up 1682 01:04:41,440 --> 01:04:44,880 into public land system from Ohio all 1683 01:04:44,880 --> 01:04:45,680 the way this way. 1684 01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:48,160 >> It's just like a long 1685 01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,799 >> six mile squares, you know, and those 1686 01:04:50,799 --> 01:04:52,960 aren't exact. They surveyed these back 1687 01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:55,280 in the 1800s with five people. They're 1688 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:58,240 walking with chains and everything. they 1689 01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,559 don't exactly match that, which is why 1690 01:05:00,559 --> 01:05:04,079 you see gaps and overlaps on deeds and 1691 01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:06,400 things like that from counties. And that 1692 01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,079 assessor map that you guys were showing 1693 01:05:08,079 --> 01:05:10,720 is just that. It's just a a 1694 01:05:10,720 --> 01:05:13,280 representation of what's on the ground. 1695 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,599 It's not exactly what it is, but yeah, 1696 01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:20,160 the the area where the city boundaries 1697 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,880 have that little gap is a triangle. It 1698 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:26,160 kind of cuts into the hard fits in 1699 01:05:26,160 --> 01:05:28,640 property there. It's a little wider at 1700 01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:32,319 the south end where lot four is. 1701 01:05:32,319 --> 01:05:34,799 >> So, uh, this is a question for Mr. Doxy, 1702 01:05:34,799 --> 01:05:36,400 but stay up here if that's okay. Uh if 1703 01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,559 we were to approve this in a later 1704 01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:41,599 meeting and our desire was not to let 1705 01:05:41,599 --> 01:05:44,000 this like was spoken ever turn into 1706 01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,799 something like a plat amendment or 1707 01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:48,960 anything other than what we are talking 1708 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:50,799 about right now, would we have to 1709 01:05:50,799 --> 01:05:54,240 specify that in our motion so that it 1710 01:05:54,240 --> 01:05:57,119 was crystal clear or would it just be a 1711 01:05:57,119 --> 01:05:58,319 different issue that would have to come 1712 01:05:58,319 --> 01:06:01,280 up separately and be voted on? 1713 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,039 >> It's a different issue and I'm not sure 1714 01:06:03,039 --> 01:06:05,839 a motion could be binding. Okay. 1715 01:06:05,839 --> 01:06:08,079 >> In that in that fashion you're 1716 01:06:08,079 --> 01:06:08,799 describing. 1717 01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:10,880 >> Thank you, Mr. Doy. Can can someone sell 1718 01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:13,760 any of these lots to Draper where Draper 1719 01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:15,119 would because I understand Draper owns 1720 01:06:15,119 --> 01:06:17,119 several lots around there. Can we can 1721 01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:20,000 someone sell a lot like this to Draper 1722 01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:21,520 or anywhere else? 1723 01:06:21,520 --> 01:06:22,799 >> So, you're talking about to the 1724 01:06:22,799 --> 01:06:25,200 developer that exists on in the city of 1725 01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:27,200 Draper, correct? The city doesn't 1726 01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:29,520 >> No, no. Or say uh a private resident 1727 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:30,880 that owns one of these lots that we're 1728 01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:32,960 changing the boundaries of. It will be 1729 01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:35,520 alpine boundary. But my question, I'm 1730 01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,359 sorry if it's completely out of left 1731 01:06:37,359 --> 01:06:39,839 field. I don't know the rules. Uh can 1732 01:06:39,839 --> 01:06:41,839 someone sell one of these bordering lots 1733 01:06:41,839 --> 01:06:44,319 to Draper because Draper owns lots where 1734 01:06:44,319 --> 01:06:46,319 then it would uh allow 1735 01:06:46,319 --> 01:06:48,000 >> to the city of Draper or to the 1736 01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,559 developer that owns the land in Draper? 1737 01:06:50,559 --> 01:06:53,039 >> The city of Draper buy a buy a parcel of 1738 01:06:53,039 --> 01:06:54,480 land in someone else's city and and 1739 01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:55,920 annex it into their own. 1740 01:06:55,920 --> 01:06:57,599 >> Something like that. Or or I like what 1741 01:06:57,599 --> 01:06:58,960 she's saying as well. Can a developer 1742 01:06:58,960 --> 01:07:00,960 buy one of these lots and connect 1743 01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:03,599 development across the borderline or 1744 01:07:03,599 --> 01:07:05,599 what what Brent just said, could the 1745 01:07:05,599 --> 01:07:07,119 city of Draper do something like that? 1746 01:07:07,119 --> 01:07:09,119 Because I do know they they and Lehi own 1747 01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:10,240 lands right around this area. Well, 1748 01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:12,960 Lehi's a little further, but 1749 01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:14,160 >> they they on the north. Sorry. 1750 01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:15,280 >> Maybe that's not out of left field. 1751 01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:17,520 Maybe that's outer 1752 01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:20,000 >> harsh. Well, I I'm trying 1753 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,839 >> Let's let our attorney. trying to check 1754 01:07:21,839 --> 01:07:23,599 any sort of thing I might be missing 1755 01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:26,240 where we end up in a situation that 1756 01:07:26,240 --> 01:07:28,400 becomes problematic later on. Some of 1757 01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,960 you might not know, but this land even 1758 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:34,079 before most any of you lived here was 1759 01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:39,119 put up for acquisition by Alpine and 1760 01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:42,559 90s and uh the development that is 1761 01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:44,160 happening there and the lawsuits he's 1762 01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:45,520 talking about only happened because of 1763 01:07:45,520 --> 01:07:47,280 decision made. It would have never been 1764 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,280 possible if Alpine owned all this land. 1765 01:07:49,280 --> 01:07:50,960 So, I'm just trying to check my bases. 1766 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:52,160 So, there are some pretty big outer 1767 01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:53,680 space stuff that has happened on this. I 1768 01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:55,119 love the west side. I see what's 1769 01:07:55,119 --> 01:07:56,720 happening over there. I'm very concerned 1770 01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:58,880 about it. So, that's why. Anyways, 1771 01:07:58,880 --> 01:08:00,000 sounds like my questions have been 1772 01:08:00,000 --> 01:08:01,680 answered. Or or that that last one is is 1773 01:08:01,680 --> 01:08:03,280 there is there any concern we might have 1774 01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:07,039 with a developer or a city owning one of 1775 01:08:07,039 --> 01:08:08,960 these bordering lots and creating some 1776 01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:12,079 sort of uh development that would be 1777 01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:13,359 counterproductive or something we 1778 01:08:13,359 --> 01:08:14,559 wouldn't want in that residential 1779 01:08:14,559 --> 01:08:16,480 neighborhood. 1780 01:08:16,480 --> 01:08:18,960 >> There isn't a road. There isn't a public 1781 01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:19,440 That's a 1782 01:08:19,440 --> 01:08:22,080 >> I don't know how you could prevent 1783 01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:24,319 somebody from buying from another 1784 01:08:24,319 --> 01:08:25,839 property owner 1785 01:08:25,839 --> 01:08:27,759 >> right now. A disputed border with open 1786 01:08:27,759 --> 01:08:32,149 space might prevent that. 1787 01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:32,960 » Yeah, maybe. 1788 01:08:32,960 --> 01:08:34,000 >> No, that I mean that's fair. 1789 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,359 >> But but you're talking 1790 01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:36,159 >> not outer space, 1791 01:08:36,159 --> 01:08:37,759 >> but but you're not talking about 1792 01:08:37,759 --> 01:08:39,600 property ownership. You're talking about 1793 01:08:39,600 --> 01:08:40,719 city boundaries. 1794 01:08:40,719 --> 01:08:42,000 >> Right. And right now there's a big 1795 01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:43,679 deterrent right now in between our two 1796 01:08:43,679 --> 01:08:45,199 cities. So I'm just It's all right. 1797 01:08:45,199 --> 01:08:46,880 Okay. Well, it sounds like we have some 1798 01:08:46,880 --> 01:08:48,080 pretty big protection. and we have some 1799 01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:49,839 resident support. So, I I've loved the 1800 01:08:49,839 --> 01:08:51,839 discussion. Um, let me see if I have any 1801 01:08:51,839 --> 01:08:54,000 other questions. 1802 01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:54,480 Uh, 1803 01:08:54,480 --> 01:08:56,400 >> I did have a question. I remember at 1804 01:08:56,400 --> 01:08:57,600 some point we were talking to the 1805 01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:58,719 property owners. if you don't mind 1806 01:08:58,719 --> 01:09:00,000 coming back up again. 1807 01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,040 >> And Kate and I did 1808 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:03,839 >> talking about maybe having some kind of 1809 01:09:03,839 --> 01:09:06,799 um 1810 01:09:06,799 --> 01:09:09,120 a buffer that you know if we did the 1811 01:09:09,120 --> 01:09:10,560 boundary adjustment, do you need all the 1812 01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:12,799 land that goes directly to the 1813 01:09:12,799 --> 01:09:14,880 boundaries or is there 1814 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:17,759 >> So our lot we have lot number four and 1815 01:09:17,759 --> 01:09:20,560 there's a hammerhead that goes into our 1816 01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:21,520 lot 1817 01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:24,960 >> and so our lot we own most of that road. 1818 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:30,159 Anyway, bottom line is it pushes our our house way to the west and so that's 1819 01:09:30,159 --> 01:09:31,359 what we're kind of struggling with. 1820 01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:34,400 We're trying to build a a good size, 1821 01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:36,000 >> right? But your lot goes all the way up 1822 01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:36,400 to the 1823 01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:40,239 >> Har. So the our architect has just been 1824 01:09:40,239 --> 01:09:42,640 struggling with the the easements and 1825 01:09:42,640 --> 01:09:47,040 setbacks and whatever. Um, as far as to 1826 01:09:47,040 --> 01:09:49,759 answer your question, is there 1827 01:09:49,759 --> 01:09:53,279 I I I think what you're getting at is um 1828 01:09:53,279 --> 01:09:56,400 the developer at one time proposed to do 1829 01:09:56,400 --> 01:09:58,320 some trading with Alpine City and put 1830 01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,560 some some buffer in there for Alpine 1831 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,080 City, but that's the issue that you guys 1832 01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:04,480 are saying that you don't want. And I 1833 01:10:04,480 --> 01:10:06,800 don't care. Well, I'd rather actually 1834 01:10:06,800 --> 01:10:08,239 have it the way it is personally and 1835 01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:11,280 just be able to keep my my property, 1836 01:10:11,280 --> 01:10:13,600 but um 1837 01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:14,400 >> Okay. Yeah. 1838 01:10:14,400 --> 01:10:16,000 >> So to your to your question, if if 1839 01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:17,679 somebody if Draper City could buy it, I 1840 01:10:17,679 --> 01:10:19,040 would I would think if Draper City 1841 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:21,120 wanted it, they wouldn't have just um 1842 01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:23,920 passed this thing to to eliminate point4 1843 01:10:23,920 --> 01:10:27,600 acres because as far as Draper City was 1844 01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,440 concerned, they already owned that 1845 01:10:29,440 --> 01:10:31,840 property or I mean it's you know so they 1846 01:10:31,840 --> 01:10:35,440 had to basically um remove that from 1847 01:10:35,440 --> 01:10:37,520 their from their boundaries and so if if 1848 01:10:37,520 --> 01:10:39,840 they were wanting you know the Draper 1849 01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:41,280 and Alpine are already bordering each 1850 01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:43,920 other that gap doesn't really exist. It 1851 01:10:43,920 --> 01:10:46,320 existed on the website, but it's not a 1852 01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:50,000 real gap as Mr. Mortonson was saying. 1853 01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:52,320 And according to the records, it Draper 1854 01:10:52,320 --> 01:10:54,400 City was moved over by 20 ft and Draper 1855 01:10:54,400 --> 01:10:56,000 said, "Well, we don't want it, so Alpine 1856 01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:57,679 or so you guys can have your property 1857 01:10:57,679 --> 01:10:59,040 back." So, I would think if they wanted 1858 01:10:59,040 --> 01:11:00,480 it, if they had an interest in building 1859 01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:02,880 a road, they probably wouldn't have done 1860 01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:04,320 what they just did. 1861 01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,560 >> Thank you. 1862 01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,760 >> Does that answer your question? I'm I'm 1863 01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:12,640 like I say, I'm not interested in, you 1864 01:11:12,640 --> 01:11:13,679 know, 1865 01:11:13,679 --> 01:11:16,640 I I just want the property. Um Okay. 1866 01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,000 >> If if there's something that you can 1867 01:11:18,000 --> 01:11:20,400 work out, you know, 1868 01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:22,480 to 1869 01:11:22,480 --> 01:11:24,080 there's not going to be any issue with 1870 01:11:24,080 --> 01:11:26,000 me doing anything with diversity because 1871 01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,080 I want I want ownership of the property. 1872 01:11:28,080 --> 01:11:30,000 I'm not going to 1873 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,520 but anyway. 1874 01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:33,280 >> Okay. Thank you. 1875 01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:34,080 >> Okay. Let's 1876 01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:36,080 >> just can I one comment on this? So, just 1877 01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:37,440 thinking out loud without a plat 1878 01:11:37,440 --> 01:11:40,159 amendment, there's a 10-ft pee on the 1879 01:11:40,159 --> 01:11:43,040 west side of this development. 1880 01:11:43,040 --> 01:11:46,159 So that's recorded in that place. And 1881 01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:50,400 I'm I'm not seeing how that easement 1882 01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:54,800 gets relocated without a plat amendment 1883 01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:56,800 or some kind of a vacancy of that 1884 01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:59,760 easement or something. 1885 01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:01,760 And and which leads to the next 1886 01:12:01,760 --> 01:12:04,000 question. You know, the webex come in 1887 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,239 and submit for a building permit. We 1888 01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:08,640 need to know where we measure our 1889 01:12:08,640 --> 01:12:14,239 setbacks from over there. Um, so just 1890 01:12:14,239 --> 01:12:15,520 thinking out loud a couple things. 1891 01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:18,480 >> So is there setbacks from the pee and 1892 01:12:18,480 --> 01:12:19,679 then the setbacks? 1893 01:12:19,679 --> 01:12:22,080 >> Not from the pee, but that would mean 1894 01:12:22,080 --> 01:12:25,120 the pee would extend like the east edge 1895 01:12:25,120 --> 01:12:28,320 of the pee in my mind anyway would be 30 1896 01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:30,800 feet from the new property line, the new 1897 01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,000 city boundary. Instead of the first 10 1898 01:12:34,000 --> 01:12:36,560 feet, it's there's 20 feet and then a PU 1899 01:12:36,560 --> 01:12:39,280 recorded. 1900 01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:41,360 I'm happy to hear response if you are 1901 01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:42,320 mayor. 1902 01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:45,830 >> Yeah, 1903 01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:50,719 » the question that comes into my mind is there any utilities in it right now? 1904 01:12:50,719 --> 01:12:52,640 >> There's not. I'm sure not. 1905 01:12:52,640 --> 01:12:55,040 >> That 10- foot pee could be pushed over 1906 01:12:55,040 --> 01:12:57,520 to the other thing basically through a 1907 01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:59,520 boundary adjustment 1908 01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:02,080 through the it's a law. It's a state 1909 01:13:02,080 --> 01:13:04,400 law. You can do that. Move those. you 1910 01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,320 guys would have to approve that if 1911 01:13:06,320 --> 01:13:09,360 that's the case. But there there's 1912 01:13:09,360 --> 01:13:11,120 different things that can be done. 1913 01:13:11,120 --> 01:13:14,560 Usually easements, he doesn't care where 1914 01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,480 you guys have an easement. He would 1915 01:13:16,480 --> 01:13:19,520 prefer it to be at the very west end of 1916 01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:22,239 your property. And that's that's okay. 1917 01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:23,920 If you want to vacate it and write an 1918 01:13:23,920 --> 01:13:27,280 easement over there, totally fine. 1919 01:13:27,280 --> 01:13:30,239 Easily done when there's nothing there. 1920 01:13:30,239 --> 01:13:32,239 >> Okay. It just felt like some kind of 1921 01:13:32,239 --> 01:13:34,080 recordable instrument would be 1922 01:13:34,080 --> 01:13:36,080 necessary, right, to take care of that. 1923 01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:38,159 >> So on my survey, I would show it as 1924 01:13:38,159 --> 01:13:40,800 being that west 10 ft because that was 1925 01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:43,199 the intent of the original plat 1926 01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:45,199 >> that it was over there where the 1927 01:13:45,199 --> 01:13:46,880 monuments are. 1928 01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:48,320 >> Well, he's up there. Can I do my last 1929 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:49,600 two questions? Is that okay? 1930 01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:50,239 >> Sure. 1931 01:13:50,239 --> 01:13:51,840 >> Kaden, the image is there. And the 1932 01:13:51,840 --> 01:13:53,280 reason this is important, you can but 1933 01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,280 before you Well, okay, there it is. This 1934 01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,320 is what we're looking at right here. But 1935 01:13:58,320 --> 01:14:00,159 you can see it in both views. Do you see 1936 01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:02,159 that trail, that walking trail? I'd love 1937 01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:05,600 to hear if if if if this is important. 1938 01:14:05,600 --> 01:14:08,000 Currently, the neighborhoods are using 1939 01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:11,199 that trail walking around the line and 1940 01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:12,960 then through this area. If you go back 1941 01:14:12,960 --> 01:14:16,080 to the last view, Kaden, you can see it 1942 01:14:16,080 --> 01:14:19,199 or or the last um not my picture, the 1943 01:14:19,199 --> 01:14:23,360 one from the uh the that you can you see 1944 01:14:23,360 --> 01:14:25,440 that trail on the bottom of what we're 1945 01:14:25,440 --> 01:14:27,280 talking about that red line, that little 1946 01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,800 kind of trail that goes up and around 1947 01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:32,080 and then through that area uh that 1948 01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:34,800 currently is uh used. So I I don't know 1949 01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:36,000 if people care about it. I don't know 1950 01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:37,840 because I don't live over there. But 1951 01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:39,840 just if there was anyone that wanted to 1952 01:14:39,840 --> 01:14:42,080 speak to that or whatever, that is uh 1953 01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:46,640 currently like a bridgeway. Um but this was helpful for me to see what 1954 01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,880 we're talking about. That difference 1955 01:14:48,880 --> 01:14:51,199 right there. I guess the real border is 1956 01:14:51,199 --> 01:14:53,040 where that fence is. I I believe I'm 1957 01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:54,880 correct. If I'm not, correct me. 1958 01:14:54,880 --> 01:14:57,199 >> That fence is south of the property 1959 01:14:57,199 --> 01:15:00,560 corner. You see that Lath there? There's 1960 01:15:00,560 --> 01:15:03,679 a little yellow dot right next to the L 1961 01:15:03,679 --> 01:15:04,800 at the on the ground. 1962 01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:05,520 >> Yes. Yes. 1963 01:15:05,520 --> 01:15:07,360 >> That's the property quarter. I'm 1964 01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:10,000 referring to which is the southwest 1965 01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:12,719 corner of the whole property. 1966 01:15:12,719 --> 01:15:14,719 >> The fence is just a fence of 1967 01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:15,360 convenience. 1968 01:15:15,360 --> 01:15:16,800 >> So that's the correct place it should be 1969 01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:17,600 where that stake is. 1970 01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:19,440 >> That's where it should be. Yep. 1971 01:15:19,440 --> 01:15:19,840 >> Okay. 1972 01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:22,159 >> That's where the intent of the original 1973 01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:23,280 land owner when he 1974 01:15:23,280 --> 01:15:25,040 >> and Right now it's 20 ft further up from 1975 01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:25,440 that. 1976 01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:28,080 >> It's not exactly 20 ft. It's about 16 1977 01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:29,360 ftish. 1978 01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:29,679 >> Okay. 1979 01:15:29,679 --> 01:15:31,440 >> Plus or minus. So 1980 01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:33,040 >> thank you. 1981 01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:33,760 >> Do you have any other question? 1982 01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:34,640 >> No, that was all. Thank you. 1983 01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:37,520 >> Okay. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it. 1984 01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:41,679 Okay, let's um can ask staff to bring it 1985 01:15:41,679 --> 01:15:44,320 back as an action item. 1986 01:15:44,320 --> 01:15:46,080 Um that's what we're required to do 1987 01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:48,800 next. Let's move on to item seven. Um 1988 01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:52,159 action items, site plan approval for the 1989 01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:54,239 Alpine Fire Station addition community 1990 01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:59,189 center site plan. 1991 01:15:59,199 --> 01:16:00,560 » Okay. Well, I guess I have the pleasure 1992 01:16:00,560 --> 01:16:03,280 of introducing this. Um 1993 01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:05,840 yeah, so the fire station remodel and 1994 01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:07,440 addition, this went to the planning 1995 01:16:07,440 --> 01:16:10,480 commission last week as all of you know. 1996 01:16:10,480 --> 01:16:13,360 Um just the fire station right here on 1997 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,679 the same city block as as city hall 1998 01:16:15,679 --> 01:16:18,640 where we are now. Um so the design for 1999 01:16:18,640 --> 01:16:23,199 this update and remodel uh is to expand 2000 01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:26,000 operational capacity and convert the 2001 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:27,520 existing structure into a functioning 2002 01:16:27,520 --> 01:16:29,280 community center that supports civic 2003 01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:30,880 gatherings. 2004 01:16:30,880 --> 01:16:33,520 Um the existing apparatus bay will be 2005 01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:35,440 preserved. The fire station will have 2006 01:16:35,440 --> 01:16:37,520 the addition and we'll have the 2007 01:16:37,520 --> 01:16:40,400 community center as well. 2008 01:16:40,400 --> 01:16:43,120 Um the use of materials is primarily 2009 01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:46,960 stucco on this building as proposed. 2010 01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:49,760 And then there will also be faux wood 2011 01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:52,320 panel accents and a brick veneer Wayne 2012 01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:54,080 Scott. 2013 01:16:54,080 --> 01:16:56,080 And we'll see some some elevations of 2014 01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:58,560 that coming up shortly. 2015 01:16:58,560 --> 01:17:00,880 Um the main one of the main items that 2016 01:17:00,880 --> 01:17:03,760 will have to be determined is the 2017 01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:06,560 landscaping plan is in coordination 2018 01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:09,040 right now uh through a separate city-led 2019 01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:12,640 effort and uh so the city council can 2020 01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:16,480 see where where we're at on that. Um and 2021 01:17:16,480 --> 01:17:19,120 then there were some 2022 01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:20,400 recommendations from the planning 2023 01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:22,159 commission as they reviewed this that 2024 01:17:22,159 --> 01:17:25,040 you can see on your screen now. So they 2025 01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:28,159 recommended that the the plan be 2026 01:17:28,159 --> 01:17:30,320 consistent with the small area plan in 2027 01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:32,239 regard to exteriors. The small area plan 2028 01:17:32,239 --> 01:17:33,760 being a document that's currently being 2029 01:17:33,760 --> 01:17:36,000 reviewed right now by the city council 2030 01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:37,360 for our main street and gateway 2031 01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:38,880 corridors. 2032 01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:40,400 Uh the planning commission also 2033 01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:43,040 recommended there be no faux wood as one 2034 01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:45,520 of the materials. They recommended to 2035 01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,000 use more brick as much as possible is 2036 01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:50,080 how they worded it. 2037 01:17:50,080 --> 01:17:51,840 They recommended the planning the 2038 01:17:51,840 --> 01:17:53,199 landscape plan be provided before 2039 01:17:53,199 --> 01:17:54,719 landscaping is installed and that was 2040 01:17:54,719 --> 01:17:57,840 based on staff recommendation as well. 2041 01:17:57,840 --> 01:18:01,040 And they also made a motion to accept 2042 01:18:01,040 --> 01:18:02,719 made make an exception to the setbacks 2043 01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:04,000 for the parking based on the four 2044 01:18:04,000 --> 01:18:07,199 criteria in the in the ordinance for the 2045 01:18:07,199 --> 01:18:09,280 parking lot exception. And then the 2046 01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:11,280 final one was dark aluminum siding on 2047 01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:13,120 the windows on the door frames on the 2048 01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:14,880 big garage doors with the same color and 2049 01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:16,719 material to ensure consistency 2050 01:18:16,719 --> 01:18:20,239 throughout the building. 2051 01:18:20,239 --> 01:18:21,840 And so staff recommends that the city 2052 01:18:21,840 --> 01:18:23,520 council consider the approving of the 2053 01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,120 construction of the Alpine Fire Station 2054 01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:26,880 addition and remodel subject to the 2055 01:18:26,880 --> 01:18:28,480 condition of a landscape plan being 2056 01:18:28,480 --> 01:18:31,199 provided before being installed. And 2057 01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:33,040 with these considerations I just read of 2058 01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:39,110 the planning commission. 2059 01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,440 And so now I'll just pull up some of the 2060 01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:45,520 elevation renderings and 2061 01:18:45,520 --> 01:18:48,719 um allow the city council to discuss any 2062 01:18:48,719 --> 01:18:50,960 pertinent items that are on their mind 2063 01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:53,280 uh with regard to this approval. 2064 01:18:53,280 --> 01:18:54,960 >> Brent, do you have any comment? 2065 01:18:54,960 --> 01:18:56,320 >> Yeah, this has been a long time coming. 2066 01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:57,520 This has been talked about since before 2067 01:18:57,520 --> 01:18:59,600 I was elected two plus two and a half 2068 01:18:59,600 --> 01:19:01,840 years ago and I'm glad to see we're at 2069 01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:05,280 this stage. I'm excited for this imp 2070 01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,880 this uh improvement to the leaving 2071 01:19:08,880 --> 01:19:10,320 living living quarters and the station 2072 01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:13,920 for the fire department. Um after 2073 01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:15,679 listening to the planning commission 2074 01:19:15,679 --> 01:19:17,520 meeting last week, it's probably pretty 2075 01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:19,600 clear that they should have been or 2076 01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:21,679 could have been involved earlier so they 2077 01:19:21,679 --> 01:19:25,760 could have had more of an input on the 2078 01:19:25,760 --> 01:19:27,440 actual design of the building. We all 2079 01:19:27,440 --> 01:19:29,600 got the opportunity to look at different 2080 01:19:29,600 --> 01:19:32,800 options and to give our preferences. And 2081 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:34,480 I've been fairly clear in the past, I 2082 01:19:34,480 --> 01:19:36,800 while I like things to be cohesive and 2083 01:19:36,800 --> 01:19:40,239 look nice, I'm less concerned about 2084 01:19:40,239 --> 01:19:43,600 specifics than some people might be. So, 2085 01:19:43,600 --> 01:19:46,000 I um 2086 01:19:46,000 --> 01:19:48,080 I am I'm concerned that if we make some 2087 01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:49,120 of the changes that the planning 2088 01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:51,280 commission recommended based on a 2089 01:19:51,280 --> 01:19:52,800 document that we haven't even discussed 2090 01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,880 yet and approved, they basically have 2091 01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:58,320 decided to change the design guidelines 2092 01:19:58,320 --> 01:20:01,199 to eliminate some of the materials that 2093 01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:03,120 would be allowed to only allow red 2094 01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:06,480 brick. And I think we needed to make 2095 01:20:06,480 --> 01:20:07,840 have that discussion and make those 2096 01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:09,679 decisions. So, I don't want to discount 2097 01:20:09,679 --> 01:20:13,920 the planning commission at all, but it is unfortunate that they weren't 2098 01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:15,760 privy to this earlier and could have 2099 01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:17,760 made some of their comments before that. 2100 01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,600 And I really don't want to delay this 2101 01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:24,880 any longer. So, um then Jessica, 2102 01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,280 Council Member Smooan, talked to me this 2103 01:20:27,280 --> 01:20:29,199 morning right after our budget meeting 2104 01:20:29,199 --> 01:20:31,040 and I know she has some ideas for a few 2105 01:20:31,040 --> 01:20:34,800 changes. Again, I'm I'm willing to 2106 01:20:34,800 --> 01:20:36,400 listen to those and I just hope that 2107 01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:38,239 they don't delay things too much or 2108 01:20:38,239 --> 01:20:41,760 cause any significant cost increases. 2109 01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,880 So, I'll just defer to her on her ideas. 2110 01:20:44,880 --> 01:20:47,920 >> Yes. Well, and I liked the first thing 2111 01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,400 Council Member Rumbler said is, "Why are 2112 01:20:50,400 --> 01:20:52,400 you bringing this up now?" I said, 2113 01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:54,560 'Well, it's this beautiful process that 2114 01:20:54,560 --> 01:20:56,400 we're involved in where we all talk 2115 01:20:56,400 --> 01:20:58,000 about stuff and see stuff and think 2116 01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:01,280 about stuff and and so with that, I 2117 01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:03,040 think really actually what I want to do 2118 01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:04,719 is Kate and I sent you a couple of 2119 01:21:04,719 --> 01:21:08,640 photos and these lean into the guidance 2120 01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:12,000 that planning commission came back with 2121 01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:15,040 um those I think it was or their 2122 01:21:15,040 --> 01:21:18,000 recommendation which is the consistency 2123 01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:20,800 I'm going to say our gateway historic. 2124 01:21:20,800 --> 01:21:22,719 say small area plan, but our small area 2125 01:21:22,719 --> 01:21:26,000 plan um 2126 01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,239 points to our gateway historic the faux 2127 01:21:28,239 --> 01:21:30,960 wood component and then use as much 2128 01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,520 brick as possible. So I actually sent 2129 01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:37,600 you I think two an email before that. 2130 01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:39,120 Yes. 2131 01:21:39,120 --> 01:21:44,159 Um this is our city hall. Now there's 2132 01:21:44,159 --> 01:21:47,760 one more photo and one more um I guess 2133 01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:50,719 email. So, we're we're pairing basically 2134 01:21:50,719 --> 01:21:53,040 these two buildings on the same square. 2135 01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:55,920 It's this one. And as I look at it and I 2136 01:21:55,920 --> 01:21:57,600 considered 2137 01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:00,480 um how can we relate these two buildings 2138 01:22:00,480 --> 01:22:06,159 better by small adjustments to 2139 01:22:06,159 --> 01:22:09,280 the exterior, not changing any of the 2140 01:22:09,280 --> 01:22:12,320 structural, any of the MEPs, any of 2141 01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,639 those things, but really how can we tie 2142 01:22:14,639 --> 01:22:17,120 these two projects together? That's what 2143 01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:19,199 I wanted to talk to council about this 2144 01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:21,920 evening and and how we can do it by not 2145 01:22:21,920 --> 01:22:24,560 slowing down the project by merely just 2146 01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,360 actually it will we would get a credit 2147 01:22:27,360 --> 01:22:30,239 back. I think maybe Babcock can give us 2148 01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:32,320 more information on this as far as I you 2149 01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:34,080 know if you remove cladding and you add 2150 01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:36,719 brick that might just be an equal 2151 01:22:36,719 --> 01:22:38,159 expense. you know, there's some things 2152 01:22:38,159 --> 01:22:40,480 that I look at and and don't see 2153 01:22:40,480 --> 01:22:42,560 anywhere that that these suggestions are 2154 01:22:42,560 --> 01:22:45,280 increasing cost and wouldn't delay the 2155 01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:47,760 project. And so, those are the things I 2156 01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:49,679 want to talk about as a council more 2157 01:22:49,679 --> 01:22:51,760 than just um you know, let's just go 2158 01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:55,040 ahead and move this forward if we could 2159 01:22:55,040 --> 01:22:59,840 make a couple of design adjustments and get really the historical element of 2160 01:22:59,840 --> 01:23:02,880 this building locked in. 2161 01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:04,719 So, 2162 01:23:04,719 --> 01:23:08,800 we worked on the outside design of this 2163 01:23:08,800 --> 01:23:11,520 building months ago and had council 2164 01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:13,679 input 2165 01:23:13,679 --> 01:23:16,960 and um you know when we went through 2166 01:23:16,960 --> 01:23:20,239 this process and correct me if I'm 2167 01:23:20,239 --> 01:23:22,239 wrong, but each one of you guys agreed 2168 01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:25,040 with moving forward and gave input on 2169 01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:27,600 which elevations you liked and you're 2170 01:23:27,600 --> 01:23:29,440 saying at this point where we are ready 2171 01:23:29,440 --> 01:23:30,639 to move forward. We've already 2172 01:23:30,639 --> 01:23:32,800 demolished the building that is getting 2173 01:23:32,800 --> 01:23:34,239 ready. We're getting ready for a 2174 01:23:34,239 --> 01:23:36,159 groundbreaking in what, a couple of 2175 01:23:36,159 --> 01:23:37,840 weeks. 2176 01:23:37,840 --> 01:23:39,600 And now you want to change. 2177 01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:41,360 >> I just think about it like adding 2178 01:23:41,360 --> 01:23:43,120 jewelry. I just want to change the 2179 01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:44,480 jewelry. I don't want to slow the 2180 01:23:44,480 --> 01:23:46,960 project down. And actually, when we were 2181 01:23:46,960 --> 01:23:49,280 asked for our input, we were given two 2182 01:23:49,280 --> 01:23:52,320 choices. We were given a choice of a 2183 01:23:52,320 --> 01:23:54,800 very modern building and then we were 2184 01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:56,560 given a choice of a building 2185 01:23:56,560 --> 01:23:57,840 >> three different elevations that I 2186 01:23:57,840 --> 01:23:58,800 remember. Right. 2187 01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:00,480 >> At that point, that's where you give 2188 01:24:00,480 --> 01:24:02,320 input on what you wanted. 2189 01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,159 >> I think originally this looked a little 2190 01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:05,520 different. We went to the material 2191 01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,520 choices. A lot of it is based on cost, 2192 01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,440 right? I think um 2193 01:24:09,440 --> 01:24:11,440 >> you know, ideally with longevity and all 2194 01:24:11,440 --> 01:24:13,199 of that, the aluminum cladding on the 2195 01:24:13,199 --> 01:24:15,360 roof would have been ideal, but the cost 2196 01:24:15,360 --> 01:24:19,520 was prohibitive. Um, so I my 2197 01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:21,760 understanding was with direction from 2198 01:24:21,760 --> 01:24:24,960 council and with the design team that 2199 01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,040 this is what we had all agreed on and we 2200 01:24:27,040 --> 01:24:29,440 move forward with it and then after that 2201 01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:32,159 it was really just kind of you know 2202 01:24:32,159 --> 01:24:34,320 they're they've already gone out for bid 2203 01:24:34,320 --> 01:24:36,639 with this design with the approval 2204 01:24:36,639 --> 01:24:38,239 >> and I understand the construction 2205 01:24:38,239 --> 01:24:40,639 process in the construction process you 2206 01:24:40,639 --> 01:24:43,120 can actually come in for a revisionary 2207 01:24:43,120 --> 01:24:45,040 bid and especially if you're just 2208 01:24:45,040 --> 01:24:47,199 talking about an exterior year change 2209 01:24:47,199 --> 01:24:52,560 from a cladding to a brick. So yes, and I said it's unfortunate. It's what 2210 01:24:52,560 --> 01:24:54,639 council member Ler said, why are you 2211 01:24:54,639 --> 01:24:56,400 bringing this up now? But it's the 2212 01:24:56,400 --> 01:24:58,719 beauty of our process. Our planning 2213 01:24:58,719 --> 01:25:01,280 commission said, hey, this isn't really 2214 01:25:01,280 --> 01:25:03,280 like aligned with our gateway historic. 2215 01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:04,800 So I kind of started thinking about 2216 01:25:04,800 --> 01:25:06,480 that. Hey, 2217 01:25:06,480 --> 01:25:08,480 >> let's have more brick because that feels 2218 01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:11,360 more historic. So I thought about that 2219 01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:13,520 as I look at our square. We don't have 2220 01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,440 black roofs and we don't have black 2221 01:25:15,440 --> 01:25:17,440 windows. 2222 01:25:17,440 --> 01:25:19,199 That doesn't feel historic at all. That 2223 01:25:19,199 --> 01:25:21,600 feels modern. And so again, with these 2224 01:25:21,600 --> 01:25:25,440 small design adjustments, we align it I 2225 01:25:25,440 --> 01:25:28,400 with our full town square. And that's 2226 01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:30,159 what I want to talk to as council. So 2227 01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:32,239 maybe we can just go down the line and 2228 01:25:32,239 --> 01:25:34,480 discuss it as council members. Um before 2229 01:25:34,480 --> 01:25:37,679 we before we continue though, I am like 2230 01:25:37,679 --> 01:25:40,000 Brent and Jessica 2231 01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,080 not understanding 2232 01:25:42,080 --> 01:25:44,560 what was the scope of what the planning 2233 01:25:44,560 --> 01:25:47,280 commission was asked to opinion on or 2234 01:25:47,280 --> 01:25:50,000 approve or recommend. Was it are they in 2235 01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:52,159 align are they in alignment with our 2236 01:25:52,159 --> 01:25:54,320 current main street guidelines? What was 2237 01:25:54,320 --> 01:25:56,960 the purpose of bringing it to planning 2238 01:25:56,960 --> 01:25:59,679 commission in the first place? And then 2239 01:25:59,679 --> 01:26:03,840 their recommendations are based on that. 2240 01:26:03,840 --> 01:26:05,040 Yeah, I can speak to that. Council 2241 01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:06,480 member Hanamman. Yeah, the planning 2242 01:26:06,480 --> 01:26:08,480 commission reviewed it or it was 2243 01:26:08,480 --> 01:26:10,159 required to review it based on the 2244 01:26:10,159 --> 01:26:13,040 current historic historic downtown 2245 01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:14,320 design standards 2246 01:26:14,320 --> 01:26:16,719 >> and and normally if we like we haven't 2247 01:26:16,719 --> 01:26:18,800 built a lot of buildings like not even 2248 01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:20,800 commercial buildings. Is this normally 2249 01:26:20,800 --> 01:26:23,679 the pro the stage or was there like a 2250 01:26:23,679 --> 01:26:25,760 step missed? 2251 01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:26,400 So, 2252 01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,320 >> why is it so late in the process that we 2253 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:30,080 they go through the main street gate 2254 01:26:30,080 --> 01:26:30,800 guidelines? 2255 01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:33,199 >> Because everything just got finalized to 2256 01:26:33,199 --> 01:26:34,960 the point that it could be submitted. 2257 01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:37,280 But like with commercial site plans, 2258 01:26:37,280 --> 01:26:39,199 which currently we have two that are 2259 01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:40,000 under review, 2260 01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:40,480 >> okay, 2261 01:26:40,480 --> 01:26:42,480 >> that you guys haven't seen because it's 2262 01:26:42,480 --> 01:26:44,400 not not to that point. But 2263 01:26:44,400 --> 01:26:46,880 >> the 512 building, um they're planning on 2264 01:26:46,880 --> 01:26:49,840 an addition there. And uh there's a 2265 01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:52,239 small commercial building just west of 2266 01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:56,960 the at about 50 west 200 north. Um so 2267 01:26:56,960 --> 01:26:59,280 they're going through the same process 2268 01:26:59,280 --> 01:27:00,480 and we'll be going to planning 2269 01:27:00,480 --> 01:27:03,120 commission. And so to follow our own 2270 01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:06,159 process, we sent this site plan through 2271 01:27:06,159 --> 01:27:08,239 planning commission and now it's to city 2272 01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:11,120 council. And to Jessica's point and what 2273 01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:14,080 the planning commission said was we are 2274 01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:17,760 in the middle of revising them but we 2275 01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,840 can't give our contractor a moving 2276 01:27:19,840 --> 01:27:22,400 target. So we were told we told them 2277 01:27:22,400 --> 01:27:24,159 from the beginning it's the it's the 2278 01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:26,960 main street guidelines as 2279 01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,440 currently on our books what you know as 2280 01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:31,360 and then that's what they were asked to 2281 01:27:31,360 --> 01:27:34,719 follow. So, did the planning commission 2282 01:27:34,719 --> 01:27:37,199 then say, "We're not going to use our 2283 01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:39,360 current guidelines. We're going to 2284 01:27:39,360 --> 01:27:40,960 assume that the council is going to be 2285 01:27:40,960 --> 01:27:43,199 on board with everything we want to do." 2286 01:27:43,199 --> 01:27:45,040 Like, how did how is there this 2287 01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:46,800 disconnect between our current 2288 01:27:46,800 --> 01:27:49,600 guidelines, which this was designed to 2289 01:27:49,600 --> 01:27:52,159 meet, and the planning commission having 2290 01:27:52,159 --> 01:27:54,880 other desires to change those guidelines 2291 01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:56,719 and asking for the changes to be 2292 01:27:56,719 --> 01:27:58,719 implemented in this building? Can you 2293 01:27:58,719 --> 01:28:00,159 help us with the sequence of that? 2294 01:28:00,159 --> 01:28:01,600 >> Some of it is subjective though. It's 2295 01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,520 not per our guidelines. Oh, they're 2296 01:28:03,520 --> 01:28:04,880 don't mean it. They need more brick. 2297 01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:07,440 It's it's planning. It's individual 2298 01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:08,639 members saying, "Hey, I think it would 2299 01:28:08,639 --> 01:28:10,800 look better with more brick. I think it 2300 01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:13,600 would look better with less whatever." 2301 01:28:13,600 --> 01:28:16,560 >> Yeah. And just just to clarify, they 2302 01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,639 were looking at their proposed 2303 01:28:18,639 --> 01:28:19,920 amendments to the draft. 2304 01:28:19,920 --> 01:28:20,719 >> That's what I think. 2305 01:28:20,719 --> 01:28:22,480 >> So, the current draft that we've all 2306 01:28:22,480 --> 01:28:23,920 looking at that we're going to discuss 2307 01:28:23,920 --> 01:28:26,000 in the future would allow these 2308 01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,159 materials. The planning commission last 2309 01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:32,080 week said previously they had discussed 2310 01:28:32,080 --> 01:28:34,239 changing that and they're using those 2311 01:28:34,239 --> 01:28:36,960 propos their proposed changes 2312 01:28:36,960 --> 01:28:38,960 to apply to this current project 2313 01:28:38,960 --> 01:28:40,880 >> right but we haven't even discussed it 2314 01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:42,159 as a council 2315 01:28:42,159 --> 01:28:42,960 >> their input. 2316 01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:46,480 >> So in my opinion the fire station is now 2317 01:28:46,480 --> 01:28:48,800 designed currently designed meets what 2318 01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:51,199 our draft document says right now our 2319 01:28:51,199 --> 01:28:52,480 >> not our draft our current 2320 01:28:52,480 --> 01:28:52,800 >> current 2321 01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:54,719 >> and both the 2322 01:28:54,719 --> 01:28:56,239 >> Oh the draft okay I see what you're 2323 01:28:56,239 --> 01:28:56,719 saying. Yes, 2324 01:28:56,719 --> 01:28:59,040 >> the draft materials are wood, masonry, 2325 01:28:59,040 --> 01:29:01,199 brick, and stone, although no stucco, 2326 01:29:01,199 --> 01:29:03,840 but we already have it's already stuck, 2327 01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:05,280 right? 2328 01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,440 >> Yeah. Sorry, since since Kaden wasn't 2329 01:29:07,440 --> 01:29:08,560 actually here for part of those 2330 01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,679 discussions with um the planning 2331 01:29:11,679 --> 01:29:13,920 commission when they went through the 2332 01:29:13,920 --> 01:29:16,800 main street breakdown, right, they did 2333 01:29:16,800 --> 01:29:19,440 four weeks of it. During that time, they 2334 01:29:19,440 --> 01:29:21,679 were ve they felt very strongly about 2335 01:29:21,679 --> 01:29:24,719 specific guidelines and they were passed 2336 01:29:24,719 --> 01:29:26,719 on to this group. Unfortunately, this 2337 01:29:26,719 --> 01:29:29,520 group hasn't gotten there yet. So, they 2338 01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:31,440 felt uncomfortable 2339 01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:34,800 condoning some or or voting in favor of 2340 01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:36,480 something that didn't match what they 2341 01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:38,880 had talked about in their recommendation 2342 01:29:38,880 --> 01:29:41,199 to you. Now, that said, doesn't keep 2343 01:29:41,199 --> 01:29:43,679 you, you know, that's why they didn't 2344 01:29:43,679 --> 01:29:45,600 stick to the ones that are on the book. 2345 01:29:45,600 --> 01:29:47,679 Now, right or wrong, but that's what 2346 01:29:47,679 --> 01:29:49,840 their conversation based on. But their 2347 01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:51,520 justification or their their one of 2348 01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:55,120 their rationale was if we allow the city 2349 01:29:55,120 --> 01:29:58,320 or we if the city builds this in this 2350 01:29:58,320 --> 01:30:00,000 way and then we change the guidelines, 2351 01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:00,960 you're going to have these neighbors 2352 01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:02,320 across the street saying, "Well, why did 2353 01:30:02,320 --> 01:30:03,520 the city get a used stuckco and why 2354 01:30:03,520 --> 01:30:05,840 didn't why why can't we?" But there are 2355 01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:06,400 different 2356 01:30:06,400 --> 01:30:07,440 >> under different guidelines. under 2357 01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:08,560 different guidelines timing 2358 01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:10,639 >> and we haven't decided yet as a city 2359 01:30:10,639 --> 01:30:12,800 council who was a final decision maker 2360 01:30:12,800 --> 01:30:15,040 on our master plan and the design 2361 01:30:15,040 --> 01:30:17,280 standards whether we agree with the 2362 01:30:17,280 --> 01:30:19,360 planning commission to only allow red 2363 01:30:19,360 --> 01:30:20,960 brick on main street. 2364 01:30:20,960 --> 01:30:23,120 >> Well, and then this is also our historic 2365 01:30:23,120 --> 01:30:25,679 square. So, we also need to use, you 2366 01:30:25,679 --> 01:30:27,679 know, as city council members looking at 2367 01:30:27,679 --> 01:30:31,840 our history and um applying that to this 2368 01:30:31,840 --> 01:30:34,560 unique square and making sure that these 2369 01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:36,320 buildings have a relationship to each 2370 01:30:36,320 --> 01:30:39,199 other since you're seeing both of them 2371 01:30:39,199 --> 01:30:42,239 at the same time almost the entire time 2372 01:30:42,239 --> 01:30:43,440 you're here. 2373 01:30:43,440 --> 01:30:46,000 >> Okay. So, um can I have some 2374 01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,960 clarification then that what I 2375 01:30:48,960 --> 01:30:50,480 understand what happened now at the 2376 01:30:50,480 --> 01:30:52,800 planning commission? Um, that's how I 2377 01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:54,080 was interpreting that reading between 2378 01:30:54,080 --> 01:30:56,000 the lines kind of why their 2379 01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,080 recommendations follow something that we 2380 01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:00,239 haven't even discussed yet as a council. 2381 01:31:00,239 --> 01:31:03,600 But under it would be good practice for 2382 01:31:03,600 --> 01:31:05,920 us to use what we've already what's 2383 01:31:05,920 --> 01:31:08,880 sitting there as our current guidelines 2384 01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,600 unmended un unadapted for all the work 2385 01:31:11,600 --> 01:31:13,280 we're doing with the small area plan. 2386 01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:16,800 That would be the wisest thing to do. 2387 01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:18,400 That's why I brought up the other two 2388 01:31:18,400 --> 01:31:21,440 site plans that are under review. Like 2389 01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:23,920 we have to review those based on what's 2390 01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:25,120 on the books right now. 2391 01:31:25,120 --> 01:31:27,360 >> Right. Okay. So, that's the guidance 2392 01:31:27,360 --> 01:31:29,280 we're getting from staff because I agree 2393 01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:32,159 with both of you and yet we can't move 2394 01:31:32,159 --> 01:31:34,320 like I don't feel like it's fair to 2395 01:31:34,320 --> 01:31:35,679 we're the client, right? We're moving 2396 01:31:35,679 --> 01:31:37,520 the target to say oh match these 2397 01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:39,760 guidelines but really no no we we might 2398 01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:41,679 go this direction so let's consider 2399 01:31:41,679 --> 01:31:43,600 those two. Like to me that's we need to 2400 01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:45,440 do be very clear like these are the 2401 01:31:45,440 --> 01:31:47,760 guidelines that we meet and if we meet 2402 01:31:47,760 --> 01:31:49,120 these guidelines this is what we can 2403 01:31:49,120 --> 01:31:51,280 move forward on and until we've sort of 2404 01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,199 cleaned everything up voted and put it 2405 01:31:53,199 --> 01:31:55,280 in the books we we can't really make 2406 01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,360 decisions based on that yet even though 2407 01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,840 I agree with you Jessica I do I do that 2408 01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:02,000 I just don't think the timing is 2409 01:32:02,000 --> 01:32:04,239 >> make decisions based upon the fact that 2410 01:32:04,239 --> 01:32:07,679 we have guiding documents today so we 2411 01:32:07,679 --> 01:32:10,000 can make those decisions 2412 01:32:10,000 --> 01:32:12,480 >> wait we these we do the the original 2413 01:32:12,480 --> 01:32:14,080 main street guidelines that are like 15 2414 01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:14,960 years old. 2415 01:32:14,960 --> 01:32:19,840 >> We could make decisions based upon the process for that is it goes to 2416 01:32:19,840 --> 01:32:22,159 planning commission. Planning commission 2417 01:32:22,159 --> 01:32:25,280 is the review committee for the gateway 2418 01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:27,600 historic. They make recommendations. The 2419 01:32:27,600 --> 01:32:30,000 recommendations come to city council and 2420 01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:33,120 then city council moves those pro 2421 01:32:33,120 --> 01:32:36,159 processes forward. So we're not stuck at 2422 01:32:36,159 --> 01:32:38,560 all. We actually have a process in place 2423 01:32:38,560 --> 01:32:39,679 that we just 2424 01:32:39,679 --> 01:32:41,679 >> but those decisions and suggestions were 2425 01:32:41,679 --> 01:32:44,880 made erroneously based on a set of 2426 01:32:44,880 --> 01:32:47,520 guidelines that are not yet implemented. 2427 01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:50,159 So by state law if something comes in 2428 01:32:50,159 --> 01:32:52,719 unless there's a moratorum we have to go 2429 01:32:52,719 --> 01:32:56,320 by our current and existing ordinances. 2430 01:32:56,320 --> 01:32:59,120 You can't go hey this came in this is 2431 01:32:59,120 --> 01:33:01,360 designed for our current ordinances but 2432 01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:02,800 because we're going to change it in a 2433 01:33:02,800 --> 01:33:04,719 couple of months we'd like for you to do 2434 01:33:04,719 --> 01:33:05,199 that. 2435 01:33:05,199 --> 01:33:06,560 >> Right? That's why I'm saying we have a 2436 01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:08,560 process in place. Planning commission 2437 01:33:08,560 --> 01:33:10,560 has made the recommendations. They've 2438 01:33:10,560 --> 01:33:12,320 moved it to city council. So now we're 2439 01:33:12,320 --> 01:33:13,280 moving forward. 2440 01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:15,920 >> Right. So that's our process. That's not 2441 01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:18,000 erroneous. It's very clear. It's what we 2442 01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:19,199 followed for 15 years. 2443 01:33:19,199 --> 01:33:20,800 >> Well, erroneous in that their 2444 01:33:20,800 --> 01:33:23,040 suggestions are based off of not our 2445 01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,199 current existing guidelines, which is 2446 01:33:25,199 --> 01:33:28,239 what their job is to do. I understand 2447 01:33:28,239 --> 01:33:30,719 where I think everyone's in agreement 2448 01:33:30,719 --> 01:33:35,120 with where they're at, but by law, I 2449 01:33:35,120 --> 01:33:36,400 don't think they were instructed 2450 01:33:36,400 --> 01:33:39,040 correctly that you have to go by these 2451 01:33:39,040 --> 01:33:41,120 guidelines now when it comes in this 2452 01:33:41,120 --> 01:33:43,120 place in time. Now, if it were two or 2453 01:33:43,120 --> 01:33:44,880 three months down the line, you're 2454 01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:46,080 talking about a whole different set of 2455 01:33:46,080 --> 01:33:47,760 guidelines that they would have to go 2456 01:33:47,760 --> 01:33:52,159 by. But they are making suggestions 2457 01:33:52,159 --> 01:33:54,159 based and again I don't think anyone's 2458 01:33:54,159 --> 01:33:57,520 against the suggestions but 2459 01:33:57,520 --> 01:33:59,360 you cannot make your decisions and 2460 01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:01,440 recommendations based on something that 2461 01:34:01,440 --> 01:34:02,800 does not yet exist. 2462 01:34:02,800 --> 01:34:05,040 >> Well actually we have the legislative 2463 01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:07,600 ability in this situation to make those 2464 01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:10,800 decisions with our legislative power. 2465 01:34:10,800 --> 01:34:13,760 >> They're not you can but not based on 2466 01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:14,960 recommendations from planning. 2467 01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:15,920 >> I think we're talking about two separate 2468 01:34:15,920 --> 01:34:17,679 things. Well, I just said it made me 2469 01:34:17,679 --> 01:34:19,840 start thinking. It made me look at the 2470 01:34:19,840 --> 01:34:22,320 whole project from a design element as a 2471 01:34:22,320 --> 01:34:22,719 whole. 2472 01:34:22,719 --> 01:34:25,679 >> Can I ask a question regarding costs? If 2473 01:34:25,679 --> 01:34:27,840 there is a change, any kind of material 2474 01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:29,360 change at this point, my understanding 2475 01:34:29,360 --> 01:34:31,920 was that 2476 01:34:31,920 --> 01:34:34,239 the plans are final that they are going 2477 01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:36,800 through um the bidding process to get 2478 01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:40,480 the final um absolute top price. you 2479 01:34:40,480 --> 01:34:43,600 know that can't go over the CMC CMGC 2480 01:34:43,600 --> 01:34:46,719 project um guidelines if we are making 2481 01:34:46,719 --> 01:34:48,480 these kind of material changes to the 2482 01:34:48,480 --> 01:34:50,400 outside 2483 01:34:50,400 --> 01:34:52,800 is there an impact on the cost and if so 2484 01:34:52,800 --> 01:34:55,120 what and I'm not sure whether it's which 2485 01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:59,199 Chad whether it's little or well and a 2486 01:34:59,199 --> 01:35:01,199 little clarity on that a lot of this 2487 01:35:01,199 --> 01:35:05,120 cost is actually now touching none of it 2488 01:35:05,120 --> 01:35:08,400 on two of the fronts on the full bays of 2489 01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:09,120 the south 2490 01:35:09,120 --> 01:35:10,639 >> right but the guarante sheet price that 2491 01:35:10,639 --> 01:35:13,520 we have is based on our current plans. 2492 01:35:13,520 --> 01:35:15,440 So if you're changing that then you're 2493 01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:17,360 talking about another process going back 2494 01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:19,760 getting re everything is set and you 2495 01:35:19,760 --> 01:35:22,000 have we get a set price and say okay we 2496 01:35:22,000 --> 01:35:23,280 guarantee that you're going to have this 2497 01:35:23,280 --> 01:35:25,520 project for this anything you change 2498 01:35:25,520 --> 01:35:27,679 whether it costs more or not it is going 2499 01:35:27,679 --> 01:35:29,360 to adjust the cost of it that's by 2500 01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:30,960 purely by the product of it. 2501 01:35:30,960 --> 01:35:32,560 >> So so you're saying it's not going to 2502 01:35:32,560 --> 01:35:34,480 affect it but it could and so I'm just 2503 01:35:34,480 --> 01:35:38,320 curious. So yes, the plans are complete. 2504 01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:40,080 Um, 2505 01:35:40,080 --> 01:35:43,040 Babcock has finished the plans 100%. 2506 01:35:43,040 --> 01:35:44,800 They are out to bid right now. We are 2507 01:35:44,800 --> 01:35:47,520 planning to come back to uh get approval 2508 01:35:47,520 --> 01:35:49,440 of the guaranteed maximum price, the 2509 01:35:49,440 --> 01:35:52,239 total cost on June 9th currently is what 2510 01:35:52,239 --> 01:35:56,239 we're planning to do. Um, 2511 01:35:56,239 --> 01:35:59,520 I don't like making changes, but at this 2512 01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:02,159 point, still before construction starts, 2513 01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:05,360 before that GMP is locked in. Yeah, 2514 01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:07,840 >> it is going to be cheaper now than later 2515 01:36:07,840 --> 01:36:11,120 and I would want everybody to get what 2516 01:36:11,120 --> 01:36:13,920 the city wants and what the city all 2517 01:36:13,920 --> 01:36:17,199 agrees this should be. Uh yes, we it 2518 01:36:17,199 --> 01:36:20,239 will take depend on the extent of the 2519 01:36:20,239 --> 01:36:22,719 changes. It will cost a little more 2520 01:36:22,719 --> 01:36:25,280 money. Uh we'll have to pay for design 2521 01:36:25,280 --> 01:36:28,480 changes. Um 2522 01:36:28,480 --> 01:36:31,360 now depend on the materials. There's a 2523 01:36:31,360 --> 01:36:33,440 range in price of materials as well. the 2524 01:36:33,440 --> 01:36:36,320 stucco or on this it's an ephus which 2525 01:36:36,320 --> 01:36:39,280 has a stucco appearance is probably the 2526 01:36:39,280 --> 01:36:43,360 cheaper of the three the brick the wood 2527 01:36:43,360 --> 01:36:46,800 or the or or the eus it's the cheaper of 2528 01:36:46,800 --> 01:36:48,800 the three so the more that you use the 2529 01:36:48,800 --> 01:36:50,639 cheaper would be which could offset the 2530 01:36:50,639 --> 01:36:52,560 cost of the additional design changes 2531 01:36:52,560 --> 01:36:54,080 but 2532 01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,080 um 2533 01:36:56,080 --> 01:36:59,440 it depends on which material you want 2534 01:36:59,440 --> 01:37:02,239 how much of that material you want and 2535 01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:05,920 um Yes, now while bids are still out 2536 01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:08,480 before we lock in that GMP is the right 2537 01:37:08,480 --> 01:37:10,080 time to make those changes if there's 2538 01:37:10,080 --> 01:37:13,669 going to be changes. 2539 01:37:13,679 --> 01:37:15,119 » Okay, Chrissy, did you have any other 2540 01:37:15,119 --> 01:37:15,440 questions? 2541 01:37:15,440 --> 01:37:16,560 >> Wait, we skipped me. 2542 01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:18,560 >> Oh, did we? How did we get to Chrissy? 2543 01:37:18,560 --> 01:37:19,840 >> No, I didn't have any comments about the 2544 01:37:19,840 --> 01:37:21,440 project. I wanted to understand where 2545 01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:23,440 the planning commission recommendations 2546 01:37:23,440 --> 01:37:25,440 were coming from. I haven't yet talked 2547 01:37:25,440 --> 01:37:26,400 about the project. 2548 01:37:26,400 --> 01:37:28,480 >> Okay, go ahead, Sarah. Okay, not to 2549 01:37:28,480 --> 01:37:30,159 throw a wrench in the system. I kind of 2550 01:37:30,159 --> 01:37:32,400 feel like my third grader who asked for 2551 01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:34,159 a red popsicle. I open it and then 2552 01:37:34,159 --> 01:37:36,400 they're like, "Wait, I wanted purple." 2553 01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:39,040 So I apologize but to Councilwoman 2554 01:37:39,040 --> 01:37:42,880 Smeuan's point I was looking today and 2555 01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:44,400 after listening to planning commission 2556 01:37:44,400 --> 01:37:46,320 looking at the cohesiveness between the 2557 01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:48,239 two buildings and you have like more of 2558 01:37:48,239 --> 01:37:51,280 like a rustic mountain more contemporary 2559 01:37:51,280 --> 01:37:54,880 and then right next to our old, you 2560 01:37:54,880 --> 01:37:57,199 know, city building and then in between 2561 01:37:57,199 --> 01:37:59,440 we're going to have our sculpture garden 2562 01:37:59,440 --> 01:38:01,280 that's going to have a gazebo with 2563 01:38:01,280 --> 01:38:03,199 arched windows kind of like the ones in 2564 01:38:03,199 --> 01:38:04,960 this building. 2565 01:38:04,960 --> 01:38:07,280 I just thought, is there a way that we 2566 01:38:07,280 --> 01:38:10,159 can make that more co cohesive because 2567 01:38:10,159 --> 01:38:12,560 this is like our historic block. And 2568 01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:15,119 actually, I think it would looking at 2569 01:38:15,119 --> 01:38:19,040 the cost per square foot on the various 2570 01:38:19,040 --> 01:38:20,800 um 2571 01:38:20,800 --> 01:38:21,520 >> materials. 2572 01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,400 Thank you. Um, I I think it 2573 01:38:24,400 --> 01:38:26,400 would actually be less because it would 2574 01:38:26,400 --> 01:38:30,000 mean more stucco, none of the the faux 2575 01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:32,639 wood, and maybe a little bit more brick, 2576 01:38:32,639 --> 01:38:34,159 which by the way, I love the color of 2577 01:38:34,159 --> 01:38:36,000 the brick that you chose. I think that's 2578 01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:38,000 awesome. I would love to keep some of 2579 01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:39,920 the same details that we have here at 2580 01:38:39,920 --> 01:38:41,440 the city building, like the I don't know 2581 01:38:41,440 --> 01:38:43,119 if they're called cornerstones or some 2582 01:38:43,119 --> 01:38:44,320 of the details 2583 01:38:44,320 --> 01:38:47,440 >> above the windows. And I was curious, is 2584 01:38:47,440 --> 01:38:49,760 there a possibility to keep some of the 2585 01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:52,239 current stucco on the portion of the 2586 01:38:52,239 --> 01:38:54,080 building that we are keeping or do you 2587 01:38:54,080 --> 01:38:59,030 have to restuckco the entire thing? 2588 01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:00,560 » So, 2589 01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:02,320 I don't want to go backwards, but I want 2590 01:39:02,320 --> 01:39:02,880 to be helpful. 2591 01:39:02,880 --> 01:39:03,679 >> Sorry, that was a lot. 2592 01:39:03,679 --> 01:39:06,239 >> No, no, you're good. Um, 2593 01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:07,760 I don't have an agenda. I don't have 2594 01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:09,280 anything in the game other than I want 2595 01:39:09,280 --> 01:39:10,800 to serve the client, which is ultimately 2596 01:39:10,800 --> 01:39:12,239 the city. 2597 01:39:12,239 --> 01:39:14,320 So, I'm getting to your question, your 2598 01:39:14,320 --> 01:39:15,760 point, but I guess what I want to start 2599 01:39:15,760 --> 01:39:19,520 with is we've spent numerous um amounts 2600 01:39:19,520 --> 01:39:22,000 of effort both with this group uh with 2601 01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:24,239 the fire chief, Shane, our off-site 2602 01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:26,639 project meeting group, design team, etc. 2603 01:39:26,639 --> 01:39:28,320 cultivating and coming to an agreement 2604 01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:30,080 on where we are today based on a lot of 2605 01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:33,600 impacts and decisions. So, it's not done 2606 01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:35,840 based on trying to get a design opinion 2607 01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:38,719 or um 2608 01:39:38,719 --> 01:39:41,600 a personal agenda by any means. Uh that 2609 01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:43,440 said, you guys hired a professional 2610 01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:45,840 architect to give professional opinion. 2611 01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:47,760 And when we met based on historic 2612 01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:50,239 downtown guidelines, both internally and 2613 01:39:50,239 --> 01:39:52,639 as this group, we aligned ourselves and 2614 01:39:52,639 --> 01:39:54,719 okay, what we want to do as an as a 2615 01:39:54,719 --> 01:39:58,159 priority is to design a new building 2616 01:39:58,159 --> 01:40:01,040 using the existing facility that ties in 2617 01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:02,400 as well as possible to the existing 2618 01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:04,719 facility, but also brings new life and 2619 01:40:04,719 --> 01:40:06,159 brings new character to this to the 2620 01:40:06,159 --> 01:40:07,920 downtown district while meeting the 2621 01:40:07,920 --> 01:40:09,520 historic downtown guidelines, which we 2622 01:40:09,520 --> 01:40:11,119 felt we have done. Those historic 2623 01:40:11,119 --> 01:40:13,040 guidelines that are in place now talk 2624 01:40:13,040 --> 01:40:14,719 about brick, they talk about wood, they 2625 01:40:14,719 --> 01:40:17,199 talk about ephus. 2626 01:40:17,199 --> 01:40:19,760 So in terms of shapes, like Councilman 2627 01:40:19,760 --> 01:40:21,280 Moon was mentioning, we did talk about 2628 01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:22,639 different forms and different elevations 2629 01:40:22,639 --> 01:40:24,719 that you saw. I think those had a couple 2630 01:40:24,719 --> 01:40:26,400 different variations of of materials on 2631 01:40:26,400 --> 01:40:28,480 them, but it was a lot of form work to 2632 01:40:28,480 --> 01:40:30,159 be fair. 2633 01:40:30,159 --> 01:40:32,560 Um, so to your question, we are keeping 2634 01:40:32,560 --> 01:40:34,480 a lot of the existing ephus and stucco. 2635 01:40:34,480 --> 01:40:36,400 It there's currently no stucco on the 2636 01:40:36,400 --> 01:40:37,760 building. It's currently all ephus over 2637 01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:39,679 there. It's same finish of look. It's 2638 01:40:39,679 --> 01:40:41,119 just a different property material with 2639 01:40:41,119 --> 01:40:43,119 more insulation which is required for 2640 01:40:43,119 --> 01:40:46,080 energy codes and things of that nature. 2641 01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:48,800 So, um, we're keeping most of it where 2642 01:40:48,800 --> 01:40:50,320 it occurs. We're adding a couple 2643 01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:51,440 different things to add. We're adding 2644 01:40:51,440 --> 01:40:52,880 the Wayne scope, but it doesn't remove 2645 01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:55,119 the insulation. It just enhances what's 2646 01:40:55,119 --> 01:40:59,600 there in my mind. So, yes, the coins and 2647 01:40:59,600 --> 01:41:00,960 like the overheads in the windows, like 2648 01:41:00,960 --> 01:41:02,800 the headers of the windows, that's 2649 01:41:02,800 --> 01:41:04,080 something that we intentionally met with 2650 01:41:04,080 --> 01:41:06,560 and decided this is a quite frankly a 2651 01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:08,880 dated look. And while I understand the 2652 01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:11,280 cohesiveness between city hall, uh it 2653 01:41:11,280 --> 01:41:13,199 was never my intention or understanding 2654 01:41:13,199 --> 01:41:15,119 to say we need to match city hall. It 2655 01:41:15,119 --> 01:41:16,719 was my intention to try and match the 2656 01:41:16,719 --> 01:41:19,119 district guidelines and make it cohesive 2657 01:41:19,119 --> 01:41:20,639 building as it wasn't going to be 2658 01:41:20,639 --> 01:41:22,480 clearly an addition and a new 2659 01:41:22,480 --> 01:41:23,280 construction. It was going to be 2660 01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:24,960 cohesive one building on its own that 2661 01:41:24,960 --> 01:41:26,800 blended together. who didn't look old 2662 01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:28,800 versus new. 2663 01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:31,199 >> Okay. Res respectfully, I I I guess I 2664 01:41:31,199 --> 01:41:33,840 just don't see the cohesiveness and 2665 01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:35,520 maybe just like a few 2666 01:41:35,520 --> 01:41:37,040 >> between city hall and this or 2667 01:41:37,040 --> 01:41:37,520 >> Yes, 2668 01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:39,040 >> correct. And that was never an agenda 2669 01:41:39,040 --> 01:41:40,560 point to make is what I'm saying. 2670 01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,159 >> The cohesiveness was meant to say I 2671 01:41:42,159 --> 01:41:43,840 didn't want to send back and have it be 2672 01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:45,840 an existing building with an addition. I 2673 01:41:45,840 --> 01:41:46,560 wanted it to be 2674 01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:48,560 >> Oh, I see the whole building to be 2675 01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:49,679 cohesive. 2676 01:41:49,679 --> 01:41:50,639 >> Yes, I see what you're saying. 2677 01:41:50,639 --> 01:41:51,840 >> It still fall within the guidelines of 2678 01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:53,920 the historic district which we talked 2679 01:41:53,920 --> 01:41:56,800 about. I just I mean I I don't want to 2680 01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:59,600 like make you upset, but I just think 2681 01:41:59,600 --> 01:42:02,560 there's like a few a few small things 2682 01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:04,960 that we could change that would make it 2683 01:42:04,960 --> 01:42:06,960 a little bit more cohesive with the city 2684 01:42:06,960 --> 01:42:09,119 building, like maybe the roof color to 2685 01:42:09,119 --> 01:42:11,360 be match this. And I I mean, 2686 01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:13,040 >> we can't Are you saying put shingle 2687 01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:13,600 roofs? 2688 01:42:13,600 --> 01:42:15,119 >> No, I'm not saying change what type of 2689 01:42:15,119 --> 01:42:17,840 roof. I'm just saying colors. I'm saying 2690 01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:20,719 maybe the $65 per square foot installed 2691 01:42:20,719 --> 01:42:22,639 wood. Instead, we just do the stucco. 2692 01:42:22,639 --> 01:42:25,679 That's the E F E F E F E F E F E F E F E how do what do you call it? 2693 01:42:25,679 --> 01:42:29,040 >> EUS that's $14 per square foot. And I 2694 01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:30,480 think that would actually look better 2695 01:42:30,480 --> 01:42:32,719 personally, but I guess this is where we 2696 01:42:32,719 --> 01:42:34,000 have a discussion and we share our 2697 01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:36,159 opinions. I know some people are upset 2698 01:42:36,159 --> 01:42:38,960 about that, but I just think that it 2699 01:42:38,960 --> 01:42:40,239 would look better personally. 2700 01:42:40,239 --> 01:42:41,360 >> It's like I said, I'm here to be 2701 01:42:41,360 --> 01:42:43,199 transparent. We we got to where we are 2702 01:42:43,199 --> 01:42:46,239 today by a clear lineage of steps one 2703 01:42:46,239 --> 01:42:48,159 through. 2704 01:42:48,159 --> 01:42:49,679 >> And so I I know how we got here and why 2705 01:42:49,679 --> 01:42:51,280 we got here. Uh if we need to go back 2706 01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:52,719 and look at something different, that's 2707 01:42:52,719 --> 01:42:54,159 fine. We can do that. 2708 01:42:54,159 --> 01:42:56,960 >> Um to Chad's point, feels weird calling 2709 01:42:56,960 --> 01:42:58,159 you Chad. 2710 01:42:58,159 --> 01:43:01,679 >> Uh to this guy's point, um there's time 2711 01:43:01,679 --> 01:43:03,440 involvement with that. And so we are out 2712 01:43:03,440 --> 01:43:04,880 for bidding. 2713 01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:06,320 >> At the same time we issue drawings for 2714 01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:07,520 bidding, we also issue them for 2715 01:43:07,520 --> 01:43:08,560 permitting. 2716 01:43:08,560 --> 01:43:10,239 >> So that's why we're in this site plan 2717 01:43:10,239 --> 01:43:13,280 approval process. And if I can be frank, 2718 01:43:13,280 --> 01:43:15,119 I think a lot of this process, we knew 2719 01:43:15,119 --> 01:43:16,880 that the council specifically wanted to 2720 01:43:16,880 --> 01:43:19,840 have an inherent um window into this 2721 01:43:19,840 --> 01:43:21,840 process. And so we made sure that that 2722 01:43:21,840 --> 01:43:24,000 was a for not a force, but a necessary 2723 01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:25,600 thing that we included everyone on as 2724 01:43:25,600 --> 01:43:27,040 part of Shane's agenda, which I thought 2725 01:43:27,040 --> 01:43:28,800 was great. I think some of those 2726 01:43:28,800 --> 01:43:31,360 decisions pushed us beyond when we would 2727 01:43:31,360 --> 01:43:32,400 have normally liked to submit for 2728 01:43:32,400 --> 01:43:34,880 planning commission approval. to see 2729 01:43:34,880 --> 01:43:35,920 your point that would have happened 2730 01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:38,239 prior to but these things that we wanted 2731 01:43:38,239 --> 01:43:40,400 input on that started off as design and 2732 01:43:40,400 --> 01:43:41,920 then started out as VE if you recall 2733 01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:44,239 from another council me council session 2734 01:43:44,239 --> 01:43:45,600 pushed us to the point to where now 2735 01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:46,960 we're submitting for documents for 2736 01:43:46,960 --> 01:43:49,119 timing and for budget purposes 2737 01:43:49,119 --> 01:43:50,239 >> and here we are. 2738 01:43:50,239 --> 01:43:51,760 >> Yeah. I just think some of the changes 2739 01:43:51,760 --> 01:43:53,520 that I'm suggesting actually wouldn't be 2740 01:43:53,520 --> 01:43:55,199 that big of a deal. But I'm also not a 2741 01:43:55,199 --> 01:43:57,040 contractor. I'm not an engineer. I'm not 2742 01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:58,880 an architect. But I also 2743 01:43:58,880 --> 01:43:59,920 >> I don't know I don't know the extent of 2744 01:43:59,920 --> 01:44:02,080 them yet either and I'm happy to go into 2745 01:44:02,080 --> 01:44:03,360 those once we have a better 2746 01:44:03,360 --> 01:44:04,480 understanding. 2747 01:44:04,480 --> 01:44:05,520 >> Yeah. So, 2748 01:44:05,520 --> 01:44:07,040 >> and I did do some drawings. They look 2749 01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:08,560 like a third grader did them. But I did 2750 01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:10,800 do some mockups with some changes that I 2751 01:44:10,800 --> 01:44:14,000 gave to Shane. Um I don't know if it's 2752 01:44:14,000 --> 01:44:15,920 worth taking a look at them or if you'd 2753 01:44:15,920 --> 01:44:17,360 be willing to do that, but 2754 01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:18,880 >> I'm willing to do whatever is best for 2755 01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:19,040 the 2756 01:44:19,040 --> 01:44:20,719 >> project. I mean, whatever at this point 2757 01:44:20,719 --> 01:44:22,800 because they're completed. It's just 2758 01:44:22,800 --> 01:44:26,880 it'll be additional cost. But really, 2759 01:44:26,880 --> 01:44:28,800 you guys, the time for these this kind 2760 01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:30,880 of input was months ago when they first 2761 01:44:30,880 --> 01:44:32,400 brought in the renderings. I don't 2762 01:44:32,400 --> 01:44:35,280 understand 2763 01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:37,040 >> now seeing the whole thing. And when you 2764 01:44:37,040 --> 01:44:38,400 see the whole thing, then you can 2765 01:44:38,400 --> 01:44:39,119 actually 2766 01:44:39,119 --> 01:44:40,320 >> see the changes. 2767 01:44:40,320 --> 01:44:42,159 >> These are the almost the same stuff that 2768 01:44:42,159 --> 01:44:44,239 we've been seeing over and over and over 2769 01:44:44,239 --> 01:44:44,719 again. 2770 01:44:44,719 --> 01:44:45,440 >> You know, 2771 01:44:45,440 --> 01:44:46,800 >> I totally understand what you're saying, 2772 01:44:46,800 --> 01:44:49,040 mayor. changes the look of the entire 2773 01:44:49,040 --> 01:44:50,560 >> but this building is going to be around 2774 01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:52,719 for years and years and years and I just 2775 01:44:52,719 --> 01:44:55,760 feel like we got to get it right. 2776 01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:58,960 >> That's my opinion. 2777 01:44:58,960 --> 01:45:01,040 >> Well, and I think it'll be I think the 2778 01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:03,360 little bit of design cost and and that 2779 01:45:03,360 --> 01:45:05,679 having them click click click and change 2780 01:45:05,679 --> 01:45:07,520 the cladding to brick and adding more 2781 01:45:07,520 --> 01:45:11,600 stucco is going to be pennies compared 2782 01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:14,320 to the dollars we'll save in materials. 2783 01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:16,480 I mean, if you look at the faux wood 2784 01:45:16,480 --> 01:45:19,840 panel at $65 a linear foot or a square 2785 01:45:19,840 --> 01:45:22,560 foot, that's, you know, our the most 2786 01:45:22,560 --> 01:45:25,360 expensive accent piece. So, just by 2787 01:45:25,360 --> 01:45:29,679 removing that alone, we've captured a 2788 01:45:29,679 --> 01:45:32,800 little bit of money to change some just 2789 01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:34,960 design elements on it. 2790 01:45:34,960 --> 01:45:36,159 >> May I speak to that? 2791 01:45:36,159 --> 01:45:38,159 >> Yeah. Uh, and again, I'm not advocating 2792 01:45:38,159 --> 01:45:40,000 for cost because we brought up the wood 2793 01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:41,440 as part of the historic downtown 2794 01:45:41,440 --> 01:45:42,960 guidelines and obviously working with 2795 01:45:42,960 --> 01:45:44,400 more than just the council and the fire 2796 01:45:44,400 --> 01:45:46,239 chief. We came to an agreement that we 2797 01:45:46,239 --> 01:45:48,560 wanted wood. If you recall during VE, 2798 01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:50,639 which was a month or two ago, as we were 2799 01:45:50,639 --> 01:45:52,719 trying to get past our DD, which is the 2800 01:45:52,719 --> 01:45:55,280 set before bidding documents, we had a 2801 01:45:55,280 --> 01:45:56,719 DD budget that we found out we were over 2802 01:45:56,719 --> 01:45:58,480 budget on. One of the line items that we 2803 01:45:58,480 --> 01:45:59,520 sat and discussed in this room was 2804 01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:01,920 whether to remove all of the wood. We 2805 01:46:01,920 --> 01:46:03,280 reduced it significantly and kept it 2806 01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:06,239 where it is now. So, I I'm fine to to do 2807 01:46:06,239 --> 01:46:08,080 whatever, but it just seems like we're 2808 01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:09,840 making different iterations of past 2809 01:46:09,840 --> 01:46:12,400 decisions a little bit. So, I just want 2810 01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:14,159 to warn like are we are we making the 2811 01:46:14,159 --> 01:46:16,960 right path and is what's best for 2812 01:46:16,960 --> 01:46:20,470 everyone? 2813 01:46:20,480 --> 01:46:22,639 » Can you can do I have Do you have more 2814 01:46:22,639 --> 01:46:23,520 questions? 2815 01:46:23,520 --> 01:46:24,880 >> No. 2816 01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:26,480 >> Can you go back to Jessica's picture 2817 01:46:26,480 --> 01:46:28,960 where she showed the view of both? I 2818 01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:30,639 think one significant thing that we 2819 01:46:30,639 --> 01:46:33,440 looked at um how to be consistent and 2820 01:46:33,440 --> 01:46:35,600 what I learned from the architects who 2821 01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:39,520 came to visit um us for our main street 2822 01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:41,840 guidelines or you know the whole small 2823 01:46:41,840 --> 01:46:44,480 area plan was roof lines and so I do 2824 01:46:44,480 --> 01:46:46,400 feel like these because of the roof 2825 01:46:46,400 --> 01:46:49,280 lines are are uh 2826 01:46:49,280 --> 01:46:51,600 cohesive. You can see the roof line here 2827 01:46:51,600 --> 01:46:54,960 of the the um the city hall on the left 2828 01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:59,199 with the roof line of the um bay for the 2829 01:46:59,199 --> 01:47:02,800 big trucks. Um I think that that makes 2830 01:47:02,800 --> 01:47:05,360 it cohesive. I understand like that this 2831 01:47:05,360 --> 01:47:09,199 is a tan roof and so it feels more like 2832 01:47:09,199 --> 01:47:13,600 um uh shingles. So maybe that I I don't 2833 01:47:13,600 --> 01:47:16,480 know how that would help it. Also, this 2834 01:47:16,480 --> 01:47:19,280 arched window here above the bays is 2835 01:47:19,280 --> 01:47:22,719 very much like uh cohesive with like 2836 01:47:22,719 --> 01:47:24,400 these arches. I know that these are half 2837 01:47:24,400 --> 01:47:26,320 circles and that's like a like an 2838 01:47:26,320 --> 01:47:28,080 eyebrow arch, I think they call it. 2839 01:47:28,080 --> 01:47:28,880 Well, 2840 01:47:28,880 --> 01:47:29,360 >> a what? 2841 01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:30,480 >> Well played. 2842 01:47:30,480 --> 01:47:31,280 >> Thank you. 2843 01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:32,560 >> I don't know what you just said, but 2844 01:47:32,560 --> 01:47:33,440 it's the right thing. 2845 01:47:33,440 --> 01:47:34,719 >> You're correct is what I'm saying. 2846 01:47:34,719 --> 01:47:37,840 >> Oh, okay. Okay. An eyebrow arch. Also, 2847 01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:40,480 you can see that this has um divided 2848 01:47:40,480 --> 01:47:42,880 light. You know like we like if you open 2849 01:47:42,880 --> 01:47:44,560 these blinds you can see that we have 2850 01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:47,280 delighted divided light and so there are 2851 01:47:47,280 --> 01:47:49,920 divine design elements that are very 2852 01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:53,119 complimentary without um this building 2853 01:47:53,119 --> 01:47:54,719 this specifically this part of the 2854 01:47:54,719 --> 01:47:58,880 building was built in 1930s under um oh 2855 01:47:58,880 --> 01:48:00,400 what was the name of it was like 2856 01:48:00,400 --> 01:48:03,360 renaissance or art deco I can't remember 2857 01:48:03,360 --> 01:48:05,440 it was very specific to the federal look 2858 01:48:05,440 --> 01:48:07,920 because this is built by federal funds 2859 01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:09,920 that doesn't really match the rest of 2860 01:48:09,920 --> 01:48:12,719 our city um because it was a federal 2861 01:48:12,719 --> 01:48:15,679 project actually in our city. And so I I 2862 01:48:15,679 --> 01:48:18,639 specifically as a early on said, would 2863 01:48:18,639 --> 01:48:20,639 you just look at the houses around us 2864 01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:23,520 because these are pioneer era houses. 2865 01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:25,920 And so I feel like they they took that 2866 01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:28,560 feedback and so that the the actual 2867 01:48:28,560 --> 01:48:32,400 rendering um is a building that still 2868 01:48:32,400 --> 01:48:34,719 has the historic elements in it. See the 2869 01:48:34,719 --> 01:48:37,199 arches still left above the bays. We 2870 01:48:37,199 --> 01:48:39,679 have hipped roofs. We have um what's the 2871 01:48:39,679 --> 01:48:41,040 name of that roof line? That's just like 2872 01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:43,199 there's a gable. An open gable. Oh yeah, 2873 01:48:43,199 --> 01:48:45,040 I learned that too from the main street 2874 01:48:45,040 --> 01:48:47,040 people. They said when you have an open 2875 01:48:47,040 --> 01:48:49,199 gable that faces the street, that's a 2876 01:48:49,199 --> 01:48:51,920 historic way to build a building. That's 2877 01:48:51,920 --> 01:48:54,239 not how we always build buildings now. 2878 01:48:54,239 --> 01:48:58,320 Like a lot of roofs will be like uh 2879 01:48:58,320 --> 01:49:00,800 like straight just uh straight to the 2880 01:49:00,800 --> 01:49:01,040 floor. 2881 01:49:01,040 --> 01:49:02,080 >> Single slope roof. 2882 01:49:02,080 --> 01:49:03,840 >> Yeah, single slope roof. Specifically 2883 01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:07,280 like our Alpine um fitness center. it 2884 01:49:07,280 --> 01:49:08,800 doesn't have any gables on the whole 2885 01:49:08,800 --> 01:49:10,639 building. So, that's another reason it 2886 01:49:10,639 --> 01:49:13,119 feels more modern and less historic. So, 2887 01:49:13,119 --> 01:49:15,840 I do feel like um aside from the brick 2888 01:49:15,840 --> 01:49:18,239 or the wood paneling debate, which I 2889 01:49:18,239 --> 01:49:20,400 think Chad is accurate, like I wanted 2890 01:49:20,400 --> 01:49:22,560 more wood paddling on the back, which is 2891 01:49:22,560 --> 01:49:24,880 the top of that, and you guys chose to 2892 01:49:24,880 --> 01:49:27,360 take it off, and I'm going to support 2893 01:49:27,360 --> 01:49:29,199 you in your decision, but please don't 2894 01:49:29,199 --> 01:49:32,000 take any more off. Um, that's that's how 2895 01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:35,119 I feel about it. And also I learned from 2896 01:49:35,119 --> 01:49:37,280 the Main Street historic people that 2897 01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:39,440 when you have windows that are tall 2898 01:49:39,440 --> 01:49:41,920 taller than they are wide that that's a 2899 01:49:41,920 --> 01:49:44,480 historic window. Um if you do big 2900 01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:46,719 viewscape windows that's more modern 2901 01:49:46,719 --> 01:49:48,639 especially without the divided light. 2902 01:49:48,639 --> 01:49:50,560 And so they've retained those longer 2903 01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:53,040 windows across the living quarters. 2904 01:49:53,040 --> 01:49:54,560 Those are each living quarters for each 2905 01:49:54,560 --> 01:49:57,040 of our firemen. So, I feel like they've 2906 01:49:57,040 --> 01:50:00,320 done a great job um as summarized here 2907 01:50:00,320 --> 01:50:03,280 of a s sensitivity to historic downtown 2908 01:50:03,280 --> 01:50:06,239 character, blending existing and new 2909 01:50:06,239 --> 01:50:09,199 architectural forms, material cohesion 2910 01:50:09,199 --> 01:50:11,920 and respect for context, unified civic 2911 01:50:11,920 --> 01:50:14,320 presence. I feel like we nailed it the 2912 01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:17,119 first time and I understand I did talk 2913 01:50:17,119 --> 01:50:18,880 to a member of the planning commission 2914 01:50:18,880 --> 01:50:20,880 about what were you guys thinking like 2915 01:50:20,880 --> 01:50:23,280 brick like at this point like this ship 2916 01:50:23,280 --> 01:50:25,520 has sailed like we're ready to pull into 2917 01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:27,600 port you know like what are we doing 2918 01:50:27,600 --> 01:50:29,440 talking about brick and their their 2919 01:50:29,440 --> 01:50:31,840 discussion was largely on what they'd 2920 01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:33,760 like to see in the guidelines going 2921 01:50:33,760 --> 01:50:36,080 forward which we have not adopted so I 2922 01:50:36,080 --> 01:50:41,119 don't feel like it's fair to uh 2923 01:50:41,119 --> 01:50:42,800 sort of speculate where we're going to 2924 01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:44,639 end up even as a council with our 2925 01:50:44,639 --> 01:50:47,040 guidelines. So, I'm I'm very comfortable 2926 01:50:47,040 --> 01:50:49,280 with what they've done. I feel like they 2927 01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:51,119 nailed these three items. I have them 2928 01:50:51,119 --> 01:50:52,639 circled here in bright green 2929 01:50:52,639 --> 01:50:55,679 highlighter. Um, and so I'm supporting 2930 01:50:55,679 --> 01:50:58,000 this, not just for the process reasons 2931 01:50:58,000 --> 01:50:59,520 that Brent, because Brent is very 2932 01:50:59,520 --> 01:51:01,600 practical. Aesthetics don't always mean 2933 01:51:01,600 --> 01:51:03,600 that much to Brent. So, I totally agree 2934 01:51:03,600 --> 01:51:06,159 with Brent, but I also agree that we've 2935 01:51:06,159 --> 01:51:10,320 met the aesthetic um purpose that we we 2936 01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:11,840 spent a lot of time on the aesthetics 2937 01:51:11,840 --> 01:51:14,159 early out and I feel like they haven't 2938 01:51:14,159 --> 01:51:17,600 compromised the things. Um I I was very 2939 01:51:17,600 --> 01:51:19,040 puzzled by what the planning commission 2940 01:51:19,040 --> 01:51:24,560 came up with. But understanding their um where they were coming from, it 2941 01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:28,320 fits, but I don't think that that's um 2942 01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:30,880 fair to to everybody in the process to 2943 01:51:30,880 --> 01:51:33,360 sort of have a moving target. Also to 2944 01:51:33,360 --> 01:51:34,800 speculate where we're going to end up in 2945 01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:36,320 those guidelines. I will just say so I'm 2946 01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:37,679 going to leave it as it is. 2947 01:51:37,679 --> 01:51:40,239 >> My suggestions had would follow the same 2948 01:51:40,239 --> 01:51:41,920 the guidelines as they are currently 2949 01:51:41,920 --> 01:51:43,760 written. I wasn't it wasn't it was just 2950 01:51:43,760 --> 01:51:45,040 more about cohesion. 2951 01:51:45,040 --> 01:51:47,280 >> Yes. not necessarily about the 2952 01:51:47,280 --> 01:51:48,000 guidelines. 2953 01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:49,599 >> Yes, thank you for that clarification. 2954 01:51:49,599 --> 01:51:52,239 >> Do you have any comments? 2955 01:51:52,239 --> 01:51:56,080 >> Uh thank you. Um 2956 01:51:56,080 --> 01:51:59,920 so uh the uh I've always been concerned 2957 01:51:59,920 --> 01:52:04,960 about the cost on this as you know. I haven't been the nice guy. Isn't 2958 01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:07,280 that funny? Sarah is now the mean girl 2959 01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:10,239 and I'm the nice guy. Um this will be 2960 01:52:10,239 --> 01:52:12,000 around. So I work in a very similar 2961 01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:14,080 industry. I do movies. I do stained 2962 01:52:14,080 --> 01:52:16,400 glass windows. We had to take a stained 2963 01:52:16,400 --> 01:52:18,400 glass window out of a temple once it was 2964 01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:20,320 already there because one of the squares 2965 01:52:20,320 --> 01:52:24,800 were off or like movies up until you'll 2966 01:52:24,800 --> 01:52:26,719 have previews for movies going out that 2967 01:52:26,719 --> 01:52:28,800 you've all watched and it's still not 2968 01:52:28,800 --> 01:52:30,480 finished and we're making changes three 2969 01:52:30,480 --> 01:52:33,119 weeks before it's in theaters. So, like 2970 01:52:33,119 --> 01:52:35,360 point of me saying this, this is a big 2971 01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:38,320 50-year decision. You no one will 2972 01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:40,080 remember this, but 50 years they're 2973 01:52:40,080 --> 01:52:41,520 going to be stuck with a building. So, 2974 01:52:41,520 --> 01:52:43,199 you're going to want to get it right. 2975 01:52:43,199 --> 01:52:44,320 you're going to want to be happy with 2976 01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:46,560 it. It will be worth it for your guys's 2977 01:52:46,560 --> 01:52:49,360 future. Um, I think what Jessica and 2978 01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:51,679 Sarah after our cohesion, they they 2979 01:52:51,679 --> 01:52:53,199 walked me out and I looked at it and I 2980 01:52:53,199 --> 01:52:55,599 was like, "Wow, they are right. 2981 01:52:55,599 --> 01:52:57,760 This this is a pretty area and we take 2982 01:52:57,760 --> 01:52:59,760 it for granted, but it really is a 2983 01:52:59,760 --> 01:53:02,000 pretty area. You you can see the picture 2984 01:53:02,000 --> 01:53:03,679 right behind you from outside. If you 2985 01:53:03,679 --> 01:53:05,679 look right there, you can see the bell 2986 01:53:05,679 --> 01:53:08,639 tower, the ceiling, the interesting 2987 01:53:08,639 --> 01:53:11,520 corners, and uh I I don't really know 2988 01:53:11,520 --> 01:53:13,599 why they would bring this up if we were 2989 01:53:13,599 --> 01:53:15,760 just supposed to approve it like without 2990 01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:17,040 any change. I mean, this is seems like 2991 01:53:17,040 --> 01:53:18,080 the point we're doing is they're 2992 01:53:18,080 --> 01:53:20,159 bringing it up for a last final review 2993 01:53:20,159 --> 01:53:24,080 to dot ice, uh cross tees, and make any 2994 01:53:24,080 --> 01:53:26,000 changes. And this is the time to do it. 2995 01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:27,040 There's no shovels in the ground. 2996 01:53:27,040 --> 01:53:28,480 There's no excavators out there when 2997 01:53:28,480 --> 01:53:30,719 people do make changes. And that's when 2998 01:53:30,719 --> 01:53:32,800 it's very hard. Very hard and very 2999 01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:34,800 expensive, right? Your guys in your hard 3000 01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:36,400 hats are pissed. They're walking off the 3001 01:53:36,400 --> 01:53:39,280 job. There's none. Well, I don't know. 3002 01:53:39,280 --> 01:53:41,520 Yeah, this is the time to do it. You are 3003 01:53:41,520 --> 01:53:43,599 still in very very early stages. They 3004 01:53:43,599 --> 01:53:46,159 haven't done. So, I would say uh if you 3005 01:53:46,159 --> 01:53:47,840 guys want changes, I would make the 3006 01:53:47,840 --> 01:53:49,280 small changes. And I don't know if 3007 01:53:49,280 --> 01:53:50,560 you're most of what they're asking for 3008 01:53:50,560 --> 01:53:52,719 is cosmetic. These are not like these 3009 01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:54,560 are not heavy duty. These are I mean, 3010 01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:55,599 these are changes you can make after the 3011 01:53:55,599 --> 01:53:57,119 fact. Building's built. Let's change it. 3012 01:53:57,119 --> 01:53:59,280 Change the I know. I know. I know. It's 3013 01:53:59,280 --> 01:54:01,679 not that easy, but it's it's mostly uh 3014 01:54:01,679 --> 01:54:05,280 cosmetic, so it's not structural. Um, 3015 01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:07,040 and I also don't know how we move 3016 01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:08,239 forward with this given that the 3017 01:54:08,239 --> 01:54:09,840 planning commission has also already 3018 01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:12,080 recommended several changes. It's like 3019 01:54:12,080 --> 01:54:14,159 one way or another, they've got changes. 3020 01:54:14,159 --> 01:54:16,000 Um, but they're not big ones. These are 3021 01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:17,599 cosmetic. And I think you'll hit a home 3022 01:54:17,599 --> 01:54:18,400 run if you can. 3023 01:54:18,400 --> 01:54:19,679 >> Well, there's been plenty of cases where 3024 01:54:19,679 --> 01:54:21,679 you guys have totally ignored planning 3025 01:54:21,679 --> 01:54:22,880 commission 3026 01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:24,320 >> recommendations. Those are just 3027 01:54:24,320 --> 01:54:24,960 recommendations. 3028 01:54:24,960 --> 01:54:27,119 >> No. Okay. And I'm the first to And I'm I 3029 01:54:27,119 --> 01:54:28,320 know. I know. I'm just saying there's 3030 01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:30,239 already changes being provided. So, I'm 3031 01:54:30,239 --> 01:54:31,679 just saying they're asking for changes. 3032 01:54:31,679 --> 01:54:33,760 These guys and just so you know, hey, 3033 01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:36,480 I'm the only solo no vote on all of 3034 01:54:36,480 --> 01:54:37,760 this. So, you're saying like everyone 3035 01:54:37,760 --> 01:54:39,360 agrees. Everyone's been for it. No, no, 3036 01:54:39,360 --> 01:54:40,639 I'm the only one who's been no on 3037 01:54:40,639 --> 01:54:42,880 everything on this one, but not because 3038 01:54:42,880 --> 01:54:44,880 I don't love it or firemen, but because 3039 01:54:44,880 --> 01:54:48,320 of the cost. It's it's 5.8 right now. 3040 01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:50,320 the the the fire went up, the police 3041 01:54:50,320 --> 01:54:53,119 went up, our ILA agreement went up, and 3042 01:54:53,119 --> 01:54:55,599 we're like looking at a massive like 3043 01:54:55,599 --> 01:54:57,280 expense now with this and everything 3044 01:54:57,280 --> 01:54:59,440 else, and then we've got water problems 3045 01:54:59,440 --> 01:55:03,280 and streets to fix, and we've this has 3046 01:55:03,280 --> 01:55:06,800 taken all the money. Anyways, um so 3047 01:55:06,800 --> 01:55:08,320 let's see. This see this seems a little 3048 01:55:08,320 --> 01:55:09,440 rushed for given that this is going to 3049 01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:12,159 be a 50 to 100year decision uh for how 3050 01:55:12,159 --> 01:55:13,599 long that building is there. I mean, the 3051 01:55:13,599 --> 01:55:14,960 one on the corner is probably over a 3052 01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:18,719 hundred. Um 3053 01:55:18,719 --> 01:55:20,000 the planning commission made their 3054 01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:21,599 decisions because they're in two sets of 3055 01:55:21,599 --> 01:55:23,599 guidelines and we're literally a month 3056 01:55:23,599 --> 01:55:25,679 away from a guideline that would 3057 01:55:25,679 --> 01:55:28,960 basically satisfy everyone and give the 3058 01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:31,440 residents an equal footing on what 3059 01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:32,880 they're going to build their stuff with 3060 01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:38,719 on the uh on the um main street. 3061 01:55:38,719 --> 01:55:40,560 Uh I know my mind's in a different spot, 3062 01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:42,000 but you were talking about style 3063 01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:44,560 changes, bricks and stuff. I got torched 3064 01:55:44,560 --> 01:55:46,639 for bringing up houses on the mountain 3065 01:55:46,639 --> 01:55:48,400 to protect views that we couldn't touch 3066 01:55:48,400 --> 01:55:51,040 style. I was told like the states 3067 01:55:51,040 --> 01:55:52,880 against me, the federal government's so 3068 01:55:52,880 --> 01:55:54,560 I don't I don't know how we're uh 3069 01:55:54,560 --> 01:55:57,119 dictating style here, but we can't do it 3070 01:55:57,119 --> 01:55:59,119 on a house that everyone sees on a 3071 01:55:59,119 --> 01:56:00,239 mountain side, but 3072 01:56:00,239 --> 01:56:03,599 >> it's your building. 3073 01:56:03,599 --> 01:56:05,760 >> It's res and it's res. 3074 01:56:05,760 --> 01:56:07,440 >> But aren't we dictating the style in all 3075 01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:09,440 of our agreements for even the people on 3076 01:56:09,440 --> 01:56:10,800 Main Street? 3077 01:56:10,800 --> 01:56:12,560 >> No. Well, what what is the whole plan 3078 01:56:12,560 --> 01:56:13,920 we're about to go over that says what 3079 01:56:13,920 --> 01:56:15,520 they can use and how how the style looks 3080 01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:16,719 in the corridor plan. 3081 01:56:16,719 --> 01:56:18,159 >> So, for uh 3082 01:56:18,159 --> 01:56:21,199 >> No, for residential, we have no say at 3083 01:56:21,199 --> 01:56:22,239 all. 3084 01:56:22,239 --> 01:56:24,480 >> A res a personal private property. If 3085 01:56:24,480 --> 01:56:26,239 you are a homeowner on Main Street and 3086 01:56:26,239 --> 01:56:27,840 you build a home, you don't go through 3087 01:56:27,840 --> 01:56:29,199 the historic design guidelines. 3088 01:56:29,199 --> 01:56:30,320 >> Only only commercial. 3089 01:56:30,320 --> 01:56:31,360 >> It's only commercial. 3090 01:56:31,360 --> 01:56:32,800 >> They can paint it purple with pink polka 3091 01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:33,840 dots that we have no 3092 01:56:33,840 --> 01:56:35,440 >> Only commercial on a mountain. Okay, 3093 01:56:35,440 --> 01:56:36,960 I'll remember that. Okay, thank you. 3094 01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:39,119 That's good. I didn't know that. Um 3095 01:56:39,119 --> 01:56:40,960 let's see. So, I appreciate the 3096 01:56:40,960 --> 01:56:43,520 councilwoman SMO's attention to detail 3097 01:56:43,520 --> 01:56:45,840 on unifying and cohesion. I think you're 3098 01:56:45,840 --> 01:56:47,920 going to get a better result. I think 3099 01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:49,679 you you'll get a better result as an 3100 01:56:49,679 --> 01:56:52,560 architect and as a creator of this 3101 01:56:52,560 --> 01:56:53,920 timeless piece. There's only a few 3102 01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:55,920 things that people create that are 3103 01:56:55,920 --> 01:56:57,679 timeless. One is art, one is 3104 01:56:57,679 --> 01:56:59,520 architecture. Those last forever and 3105 01:56:59,520 --> 01:57:01,199 they never lose their value. Like a 3106 01:57:01,199 --> 01:57:03,280 Disney movie made in the 1920s, someone 3107 01:57:03,280 --> 01:57:05,840 still consumes it like Bambi tomorrow. 3108 01:57:05,840 --> 01:57:07,599 Same will be your architecture. not the 3109 01:57:07,599 --> 01:57:09,119 case with a lot of other things that 3110 01:57:09,119 --> 01:57:11,360 people make as products. They time out. 3111 01:57:11,360 --> 01:57:13,920 So, this big time, this is big timeless 3112 01:57:13,920 --> 01:57:15,920 uh what you're doing here. So, I point 3113 01:57:15,920 --> 01:57:17,599 of saying that is I know it's 3114 01:57:17,599 --> 01:57:19,280 frustrating and I feel like we're time 3115 01:57:19,280 --> 01:57:21,440 rushed, but I I think you're going to be 3116 01:57:21,440 --> 01:57:23,040 happy if you make some decisions. You 3117 01:57:23,040 --> 01:57:24,400 make sure you get it right. 3118 01:57:24,400 --> 01:57:27,199 >> We paid an architect where this is his 3119 01:57:27,199 --> 01:57:29,040 core competency to come up with 3120 01:57:29,040 --> 01:57:32,480 something that was tasteful. In my mind, 3121 01:57:32,480 --> 01:57:35,440 >> the fire station was very, very dated. 3122 01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:38,480 very very reflective of the early 1990s 3123 01:57:38,480 --> 01:57:41,760 and what it's doing and yes it's kind of 3124 01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:44,880 we try to carry this scheme over but I 3125 01:57:44,880 --> 01:57:47,360 feel like he's done a very good job of 3126 01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:50,560 integrating what was existing working 3127 01:57:50,560 --> 01:57:52,800 with the budget that we had and try to 3128 01:57:52,800 --> 01:57:54,719 come up with something that's tasteful 3129 01:57:54,719 --> 01:57:56,960 >> no matter what we make I mean you know 3130 01:57:56,960 --> 01:57:59,520 the addition is what 30 years old it's 3131 01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:03,199 not 50 um how long has the how long has 3132 01:58:03,199 --> 01:58:05,199 the b how long have the bay has been 3133 01:58:05,199 --> 01:58:06,159 there. 3134 01:58:06,159 --> 01:58:07,760 >> It was all built at the same time 3135 01:58:07,760 --> 01:58:11,599 >> was it? So all in the '9s so 96. So 3136 01:58:11,599 --> 01:58:12,960 nothing. 3137 01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:14,400 >> It was still here though. Before that. 3138 01:58:14,400 --> 01:58:15,520 >> No, before that there was nothing. 3139 01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:16,880 >> Well, yeah, there was. It was here. I 3140 01:58:16,880 --> 01:58:18,239 used to see Otter Pops in it all the 3141 01:58:18,239 --> 01:58:20,000 time. So before that it was right here 3142 01:58:20,000 --> 01:58:21,920 and there was big doors right here. This 3143 01:58:21,920 --> 01:58:23,360 building was changed. It moved a little 3144 01:58:23,360 --> 01:58:24,560 bit. 3145 01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:25,199 >> Okay. Yeah. 3146 01:58:25,199 --> 01:58:26,639 >> We would catch the bus here. 3147 01:58:26,639 --> 01:58:29,040 >> Yes. So it's not I I mean no matter how 3148 01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:31,199 well we feel like we're going to be 3149 01:58:31,199 --> 01:58:33,040 planning, I don't I'm not planning for 3150 01:58:33,040 --> 01:58:35,599 100 years ahead. I would hope that you 3151 01:58:35,599 --> 01:58:39,520 know yeah I can't imagine you know we 3152 01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:41,840 look at our fire station living quarters 3153 01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:43,679 now and in the 30 years there's been so 3154 01:58:43,679 --> 01:58:46,080 many changes to 3155 01:58:46,080 --> 01:58:49,119 um OSHA rules and whatnot that what a 3156 01:58:49,119 --> 01:58:50,880 fire station requires who knows what's 3157 01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:53,119 going to happen in 100 years. Are we 3158 01:58:53,119 --> 01:58:55,040 building something sound? Yes. And I 3159 01:58:55,040 --> 01:58:57,760 feel like why did we hire an architect 3160 01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:01,760 to do this if you wanted to just draw something 3161 01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:04,000 out? I feel like he had a very 3162 01:59:04,000 --> 01:59:06,159 unattainable I think, you know, he could 3163 01:59:06,159 --> 01:59:08,560 have given us a hundred different 3164 01:59:08,560 --> 01:59:10,719 um schematics of things that he thought 3165 01:59:10,719 --> 01:59:12,800 would work great within our things if he 3166 01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:14,239 didn't have the existing buildings to 3167 01:59:14,239 --> 01:59:15,040 work with. 3168 01:59:15,040 --> 01:59:16,960 >> And because that's there, that 3169 01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:18,960 continuity is there. I mean, does this 3170 01:59:18,960 --> 01:59:20,880 building have wood? No. 3171 01:59:20,880 --> 01:59:22,400 >> There's, you know, bits and pieces of 3172 01:59:22,400 --> 01:59:23,280 it. 3173 01:59:23,280 --> 01:59:25,920 >> But what Christy pointed out is he's 3174 01:59:25,920 --> 01:59:28,080 taken the pieces that were here and he 3175 01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:29,920 still has incorporated historical 3176 01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:32,080 elements into it. He's incorporated 3177 01:59:32,080 --> 01:59:34,239 natural materials into it which are 3178 01:59:34,239 --> 01:59:38,080 still in our new guidelines. 3179 01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:40,719 >> And again to change the look so 3180 01:59:40,719 --> 01:59:42,960 drastically, that was the first thing 3181 01:59:42,960 --> 01:59:44,719 that we went over that we brought the 3182 01:59:44,719 --> 01:59:47,679 renderings was the outside shell before 3183 01:59:47,679 --> 01:59:50,719 we went into the inside at all. Why is 3184 01:59:50,719 --> 01:59:51,840 it being brought up now? 3185 01:59:51,840 --> 01:59:54,800 >> Well, I think when you see everything 3186 01:59:54,800 --> 01:59:56,400 when you see every Well, we didn't 3187 01:59:56,400 --> 01:59:58,639 approve approve approve and we never saw 3188 01:59:58,639 --> 02:00:00,239 the final. And there's something about 3189 02:00:00,239 --> 02:00:02,560 when you see the final. 3190 02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:04,960 >> You did see the final. 3191 02:00:04,960 --> 02:00:07,280 >> And you see 3192 02:00:07,280 --> 02:00:08,880 >> he showed everything and you guys said, 3193 02:00:08,880 --> 02:00:10,880 "Yeah, we want to take off the wood to 3194 02:00:10,880 --> 02:00:12,320 save the money." 3195 02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:15,119 >> Then again, to to what I said to council 3196 02:00:15,119 --> 02:00:18,480 member Rumbler this morning, just it's 3197 02:00:18,480 --> 02:00:21,280 part of the the process of looking at 3198 02:00:21,280 --> 02:00:23,280 and considering 3199 02:00:23,280 --> 02:00:26,000 um designing this historic town square. 3200 02:00:26,000 --> 02:00:27,760 I mean, at the time we made these 3201 02:00:27,760 --> 02:00:30,000 decisions too, we didn't have the full 3202 02:00:30,000 --> 02:00:32,719 depth and breadth of Tom Holdman coming 3203 02:00:32,719 --> 02:00:35,440 in and in creating this beautiful 3204 02:00:35,440 --> 02:00:37,760 masterpiece that is going to be sitting 3205 02:00:37,760 --> 02:00:40,560 in the heart of this square. And so when 3206 02:00:40,560 --> 02:00:43,440 you consider that's a change and so our 3207 02:00:43,440 --> 02:00:45,360 job as council members is to make sure 3208 02:00:45,360 --> 02:00:48,000 that we understand the full scope of 3209 02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:50,320 everything that's going on 3210 02:00:50,320 --> 02:00:52,960 >> with these decisions that we make. So 3211 02:00:52,960 --> 02:00:55,440 now that we know that and then we look 3212 02:00:55,440 --> 02:00:57,360 at this and then we consider that we 3213 02:00:57,360 --> 02:00:59,679 we're just saying today in this moment 3214 02:00:59,679 --> 02:01:01,679 there's some adjustments from the design 3215 02:01:01,679 --> 02:01:04,159 side that are going to help the co 3216 02:01:04,159 --> 02:01:07,040 cohesiveness of this whole project fit 3217 02:01:07,040 --> 02:01:08,480 better together and it doesn't take 3218 02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:10,719 anything away from that's why you hire 3219 02:01:10,719 --> 02:01:12,880 professionals. You hire professionals to 3220 02:01:12,880 --> 02:01:14,719 get you to this point so that you can 3221 02:01:14,719 --> 02:01:17,360 look at the whole scope and say oh we're 3222 02:01:17,360 --> 02:01:20,239 so close let's just do these few things. 3223 02:01:20,239 --> 02:01:22,880 A black roof doesn't work. We didn't 3224 02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:24,800 know a black roof didn't work, but now 3225 02:01:24,800 --> 02:01:27,360 we know it doesn't. 3226 02:01:27,360 --> 02:01:28,960 >> Can I ask a question? What was the 3227 02:01:28,960 --> 02:01:30,400 masterpiece you referenced? Is that the 3228 02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:31,440 sculpture garden? 3229 02:01:31,440 --> 02:01:33,920 >> It's this really incredible stained 3230 02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:35,199 glass um 3231 02:01:35,199 --> 02:01:35,760 >> gazebo. 3232 02:01:35,760 --> 02:01:38,159 that will be featuring a 3233 02:01:38,159 --> 02:01:41,199 worldrenowned artist stained glass. 3234 02:01:41,199 --> 02:01:41,599 >> So, 3235 02:01:41,599 --> 02:01:43,280 >> which has not yet been approved by 3236 02:01:43,280 --> 02:01:45,119 planning commission, which needs to be 3237 02:01:45,119 --> 02:01:47,599 because it's a material change in public 3238 02:01:47,599 --> 02:01:50,400 property. just another reference. Yeah. 3239 02:01:50,400 --> 02:01:52,800 >> Can I can I offer one word of caution or 3240 02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:55,040 one thought comment? 3241 02:01:55,040 --> 02:01:56,719 The 3242 02:01:56,719 --> 02:01:59,520 I think from the points that Chrissy 3243 02:01:59,520 --> 02:02:02,800 referenced and talked about, I think the 3244 02:02:02,800 --> 02:02:05,679 guidelines has been met. 3245 02:02:05,679 --> 02:02:08,320 One job that I have, another job I'm on 3246 02:02:08,320 --> 02:02:10,639 an architectural review committee for 3247 02:02:10,639 --> 02:02:13,760 plans to compare to guidelines. 3248 02:02:13,760 --> 02:02:15,440 And if these guidelines are being used 3249 02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:17,119 for other people, other commercial 3250 02:02:17,119 --> 02:02:20,560 buildings, if the guidelines say you can 3251 02:02:20,560 --> 02:02:23,840 have wood, brick or stucco, and then 3252 02:02:23,840 --> 02:02:26,000 they come with review comments and say 3253 02:02:26,000 --> 02:02:28,960 no wood, more brick, I would absolutely 3254 02:02:28,960 --> 02:02:31,360 protest. So, I don't know if it's a 3255 02:02:31,360 --> 02:02:32,960 discussion of whether it meets the 3256 02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:35,920 guidelines. I think everyone would agree 3257 02:02:35,920 --> 02:02:38,560 that it does meet the guidelines, but I 3258 02:02:38,560 --> 02:02:40,880 think the the opinion of the planning 3259 02:02:40,880 --> 02:02:43,599 commission respectfully is more of a 3260 02:02:43,599 --> 02:02:48,159 personal opinion than a guideline 3261 02:02:48,159 --> 02:02:50,639 uh requirement. But at this point, I go 3262 02:02:50,639 --> 02:02:52,239 back to what I said how what I started 3263 02:02:52,239 --> 02:02:54,159 with at the very beginning. This is your 3264 02:02:54,159 --> 02:02:55,679 building. This is going to be a 50-year 3265 02:02:55,679 --> 02:02:57,040 building. If you do want to make 3266 02:02:57,040 --> 02:02:59,360 changes, now is the best time to do it. 3267 02:02:59,360 --> 02:03:01,360 Can you can you give us just an estimate 3268 02:03:01,360 --> 02:03:03,760 of how much longer it will take to 3269 02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:04,719 implement 3270 02:03:04,719 --> 02:03:05,760 >> depends on what it is. 3271 02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:07,040 >> It will cost. 3272 02:03:07,040 --> 02:03:11,599 >> Um changing the roof color very simple 3273 02:03:11,599 --> 02:03:15,280 quick. Uh changing from the wood to a 3274 02:03:15,280 --> 02:03:17,760 brick means that you have to change 3275 02:03:17,760 --> 02:03:19,840 what's behind it to support it as well. 3276 02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:21,360 That could also get into structural 3277 02:03:21,360 --> 02:03:23,360 because the weight of it. So it all 3278 02:03:23,360 --> 02:03:25,760 depends on the extent of it and what the 3279 02:03:25,760 --> 02:03:27,679 material is. Can you 3280 02:03:27,679 --> 02:03:29,040 >> have to don't you have to build a like 3281 02:03:29,040 --> 02:03:31,040 to put brick? If we remove the the 3282 02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:32,800 paneling above on the front of the 3283 02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:34,880 building, put brick above the doors. You 3284 02:03:34,880 --> 02:03:36,880 have to like have a ledge that comes out 3285 02:03:36,880 --> 02:03:38,239 to put 3286 02:03:38,239 --> 02:03:39,920 >> versus you can just wrap the building 3287 02:03:39,920 --> 02:03:42,159 with wood. So it changes like he's 3288 02:03:42,159 --> 02:03:43,360 saying the structure. 3289 02:03:43,360 --> 02:03:44,960 >> Well, I don't think we put brick in the 3290 02:03:44,960 --> 02:03:46,880 gable typically because of structural. 3291 02:03:46,880 --> 02:03:48,239 You don't. You would just match the 3292 02:03:48,239 --> 02:03:50,320 gable that's on the other side and you 3293 02:03:50,320 --> 02:03:50,719 would just 3294 02:03:50,719 --> 02:03:53,119 >> You're removing more of like this is the 3295 02:03:53,119 --> 02:03:55,520 paneling is an upgrade from Stuckco and 3296 02:03:55,520 --> 02:03:56,800 you just want to downgrade. 3297 02:03:56,800 --> 02:03:58,320 >> We just want it to look like our 3298 02:03:58,320 --> 02:04:00,159 historic town square. 3299 02:04:00,159 --> 02:04:02,239 >> They're after cohesion. But wait, hold 3300 02:04:02,239 --> 02:04:04,880 on. It's still my turn. I think to to 3301 02:04:04,880 --> 02:04:06,400 your point though 3302 02:04:06,400 --> 02:04:08,159 >> if we remove the paneling from the back 3303 02:04:08,159 --> 02:04:11,520 that's where the the the more historic 3304 02:04:11,520 --> 02:04:13,679 places meet because that's where the gu 3305 02:04:13,679 --> 02:04:16,239 sculpt garden is is also where you see 3306 02:04:16,239 --> 02:04:18,400 the back of our city. So, we've already 3307 02:04:18,400 --> 02:04:20,880 removed that most modern element of the 3308 02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:22,480 back, the wood paneling. 3309 02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:25,599 >> Okay. Mayor, you retorted on the middle 3310 02:04:25,599 --> 02:04:27,920 of questioning. I I I wasn't finished. 3311 02:04:27,920 --> 02:04:29,599 You you But you gave great comments, but 3312 02:04:29,599 --> 02:04:30,719 it was in the middle of questioning and 3313 02:04:30,719 --> 02:04:32,080 then it swirled. 3314 02:04:32,080 --> 02:04:33,040 >> So, I wasn't finished. 3315 02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:34,639 >> I thought you just said that you weren't 3316 02:04:34,639 --> 02:04:37,599 in favor of it because of the cost. Did 3317 02:04:37,599 --> 02:04:38,880 you have more on top of that? 3318 02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:39,840 >> Yeah, I was going to finalize. 3319 02:04:39,840 --> 02:04:40,719 >> Okay, let's wrap it up. 3320 02:04:40,719 --> 02:04:44,800 >> That would help. Thanks. Um would you 3321 02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:48,080 let them know what changes you are 3322 02:04:48,080 --> 02:04:50,560 asking for so we could get a timetable 3323 02:04:50,560 --> 02:04:53,520 and a cost to see what that would be 3324 02:04:53,520 --> 02:04:55,840 like that that because they were just 3325 02:04:55,840 --> 02:04:59,040 giving examples that they weren't sure 3326 02:04:59,040 --> 02:05:00,719 and then you you brought up a lot of 3327 02:05:00,719 --> 02:05:03,760 things in uh basically I don't think 3328 02:05:03,760 --> 02:05:06,159 their architect did a bad job that that 3329 02:05:06,159 --> 02:05:07,440 was kind of what you were bringing up I 3330 02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:10,080 think they made a very cool uh fire 3331 02:05:10,080 --> 02:05:13,360 department building thing like it's 3332 02:05:13,360 --> 02:05:16,560 beautiful but it's not alpine and it 3333 02:05:16,560 --> 02:05:18,239 doesn't fit cohesively with the other 3334 02:05:18,239 --> 02:05:19,760 buildings here. So it's not a criticism 3335 02:05:19,760 --> 02:05:22,719 of them or their quality. It's just a 3336 02:05:22,719 --> 02:05:24,400 direction and this happens all the time. 3337 02:05:24,400 --> 02:05:26,480 Salt Lake Temple spires were wood. 3338 02:05:26,480 --> 02:05:28,080 People came, his name was Don Carlos. He 3339 02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:29,679 said let's make them granite. They 3340 02:05:29,679 --> 02:05:31,440 changed it mid building. That's why we 3341 02:05:31,440 --> 02:05:34,159 have granite today. So these things 3342 02:05:34,159 --> 02:05:36,400 happen and they usually are at the 3343 02:05:36,400 --> 02:05:38,239 difficulty of the person hearing it but 3344 02:05:38,239 --> 02:05:40,239 at the betterment of the final result 3345 02:05:40,239 --> 02:05:41,520 because we all have a vision. and we've 3346 02:05:41,520 --> 02:05:42,800 imprinted in our mind this how it's 3347 02:05:42,800 --> 02:05:45,920 supposed to be. Someone with a a a more 3348 02:05:45,920 --> 02:05:47,520 wide openen lens comes and says, "I see 3349 02:05:47,520 --> 02:05:49,760 a flaw that we've we've missed." We 3350 02:05:49,760 --> 02:05:51,440 incorporate it. We realize, "Oh my gosh, 3351 02:05:51,440 --> 02:05:54,159 it's a better result." 3352 02:05:54,159 --> 02:05:56,560 >> Jessica was mentioning the gazebo that 3353 02:05:56,560 --> 02:05:58,080 is going to be just right outside of 3354 02:05:58,080 --> 02:06:00,080 here. If you look at the rear elevation 3355 02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:02,719 of the fire station, it's already taken 3356 02:06:02,719 --> 02:06:05,920 off. It's all stucco. What's the wording 3357 02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:08,159 of it? It's not stucco. It's 3358 02:06:08,159 --> 02:06:09,280 >> You can call stucco. 3359 02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:11,199 >> Okay. It's already mostly stucco with 3360 02:06:11,199 --> 02:06:13,760 some brick. How are you suggesting 3361 02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:14,800 changing that? 3362 02:06:14,800 --> 02:06:17,040 >> I think not black roof and not paper 3363 02:06:17,040 --> 02:06:19,280 white. I think we need to have some 3364 02:06:19,280 --> 02:06:21,119 warmth to the color of the building. 3365 02:06:21,119 --> 02:06:22,719 >> Councilwoman Smith, that's the same 3366 02:06:22,719 --> 02:06:25,920 color. Easy. 3367 02:06:25,920 --> 02:06:27,920 >> Okay. So, it you matched that color. So, 3368 02:06:27,920 --> 02:06:29,920 it's just this rendering. Okay. So, 3369 02:06:29,920 --> 02:06:31,760 it'll stay that same. 3370 02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:32,960 >> The intent is that all the existing 3371 02:06:32,960 --> 02:06:34,000 elements that are remaining are going to 3372 02:06:34,000 --> 02:06:35,360 stay the color tones that they currently 3373 02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:37,840 are. We have removed the corner coins 3374 02:06:37,840 --> 02:06:40,079 and the eyebrow features over the 3375 02:06:40,079 --> 02:06:42,320 windows because it's a data look that we 3376 02:06:42,320 --> 02:06:44,480 weren't trying to carry on. But you see 3377 02:06:44,480 --> 02:06:44,880 that's 3378 02:06:44,880 --> 02:06:47,040 >> but again like that's an opinion of 3379 02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:49,520 again you're in the business of 3380 02:06:49,520 --> 02:06:52,719 >> of architecting right and so a dated 3381 02:06:52,719 --> 02:06:55,440 look to some may be a classical look to 3382 02:06:55,440 --> 02:06:56,320 others right 3383 02:06:56,320 --> 02:06:57,280 >> so 3384 02:06:57,280 --> 02:06:58,960 >> may yeah absolutely so something I 3385 02:06:58,960 --> 02:07:00,639 wanted to say which I think would sum it 3386 02:07:00,639 --> 02:07:03,920 up in a great deal I keep saying we we 3387 02:07:03,920 --> 02:07:05,840 reached where we are based off a series 3388 02:07:05,840 --> 02:07:07,760 of discussions and conversations that we 3389 02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:10,000 had both as this group as well as an 3390 02:07:10,000 --> 02:07:11,679 offline project team as well as the 3391 02:07:11,679 --> 02:07:14,000 group that sharets and looks through 3392 02:07:14,000 --> 02:07:16,880 design in my own office. So, I know how 3393 02:07:16,880 --> 02:07:18,159 we got here and I'm comfortable with how 3394 02:07:18,159 --> 02:07:19,760 we got here. Now, that's fine because 3395 02:07:19,760 --> 02:07:20,960 that's my opinion and the opinion of 3396 02:07:20,960 --> 02:07:22,800 those that helped get here. If it's 3397 02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:24,800 different, that's fine. It's a process 3398 02:07:24,800 --> 02:07:26,159 that we can go through. That's part of 3399 02:07:26,159 --> 02:07:27,920 design and we can do it. I don't know 3400 02:07:27,920 --> 02:07:29,679 that we solve it in a conversation in 3401 02:07:29,679 --> 02:07:33,040 this setting of this that or the other. 3402 02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:35,119 So, in my opinion, and I could be wrong, 3403 02:07:35,119 --> 02:07:36,960 it's simply a situation of do we proceed 3404 02:07:36,960 --> 02:07:39,280 as is or do we need to go back and look 3405 02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:40,639 at something different? And if it's the 3406 02:07:40,639 --> 02:07:42,480 latter, it's probably something we do 3407 02:07:42,480 --> 02:07:44,239 offline that's outside of this council 3408 02:07:44,239 --> 02:07:47,119 meeting. So that decision I think is not 3409 02:07:47,119 --> 02:07:48,719 on this side of the podium and that's 3410 02:07:48,719 --> 02:07:50,480 respectfully just fine. 3411 02:07:50,480 --> 02:07:52,560 >> Council member Haniman made a point that 3412 02:07:52,560 --> 02:07:54,880 the shed roof on the community center 3413 02:07:54,880 --> 02:07:58,159 side is, you know, there's a tradition 3414 02:07:58,159 --> 02:08:00,880 or history to gabling. So is something 3415 02:08:00,880 --> 02:08:04,239 like changing that flat roof and to a 3416 02:08:04,239 --> 02:08:06,719 welcoming gable is that something that's 3417 02:08:06,719 --> 02:08:09,280 possible without creating again any kind 3418 02:08:09,280 --> 02:08:11,040 of setback when I'm looking at this from 3419 02:08:11,040 --> 02:08:13,119 a timeline perspective. This shouldn't 3420 02:08:13,119 --> 02:08:15,679 add weeks to the project. We should be 3421 02:08:15,679 --> 02:08:18,320 able to stay on project. You said you're 3422 02:08:18,320 --> 02:08:20,159 in for permitting and are we the 3423 02:08:20,159 --> 02:08:21,360 perimeter? 3424 02:08:21,360 --> 02:08:21,760 >> Yes. 3425 02:08:21,760 --> 02:08:22,960 >> Okay. Well, so 3426 02:08:22,960 --> 02:08:24,880 >> you're the perimeter but the reviewer, 3427 02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:26,400 >> but I mean it's not the county or 3428 02:08:26,400 --> 02:08:27,920 anything like that. We're the perimeter. 3429 02:08:27,920 --> 02:08:30,719 Correct. Correct. And so these aren't 3430 02:08:30,719 --> 02:08:35,040 things that are going to set us back. 3431 02:08:35,040 --> 02:08:36,239 >> So are you 3432 02:08:36,239 --> 02:08:38,000 >> it's not it's not a net sum zero. It's 3433 02:08:38,000 --> 02:08:39,760 an it's an additive time. 3434 02:08:39,760 --> 02:08:41,199 >> To what extent I can't say at this 3435 02:08:41,199 --> 02:08:41,760 point. 3436 02:08:41,760 --> 02:08:43,760 >> So if you came back and said we would 3437 02:08:43,760 --> 02:08:46,639 have to engineer for brick where the 3438 02:08:46,639 --> 02:08:49,040 wood cladding is, we just say then just 3439 02:08:49,040 --> 02:08:51,520 stuckco it because engineering for where 3440 02:08:51,520 --> 02:08:54,960 the cladding is, we would just not add 3441 02:08:54,960 --> 02:08:56,960 that time. So those are things that you 3442 02:08:56,960 --> 02:08:57,280 can 3443 02:08:57,280 --> 02:08:58,320 >> that's a path. Yes. 3444 02:08:58,320 --> 02:08:59,280 >> Yeah. Yeah. 3445 02:08:59,280 --> 02:09:01,520 >> And then as far as the roof that is on 3446 02:09:01,520 --> 02:09:03,440 the community center side, that's the 3447 02:09:03,440 --> 02:09:04,079 existing roof. 3448 02:09:04,079 --> 02:09:05,440 >> That's existing. 3449 02:09:05,440 --> 02:09:08,079 >> So if you look at the new vestibule, 3450 02:09:08,079 --> 02:09:08,960 >> I think she's talking about the 3451 02:09:08,960 --> 02:09:10,880 vestibule. Is it possible to do a gable 3452 02:09:10,880 --> 02:09:13,040 instead of a flat roof? And is that a 3453 02:09:13,040 --> 02:09:14,639 huge change? 3454 02:09:14,639 --> 02:09:16,560 >> I think they talked about that to make 3455 02:09:16,560 --> 02:09:18,639 itive 3456 02:09:18,639 --> 02:09:22,159 >> the newer elements sort of see how it it 3457 02:09:22,159 --> 02:09:23,840 mirrors what's on the front of the 3458 02:09:23,840 --> 02:09:25,119 building. 3459 02:09:25,119 --> 02:09:27,280 >> I don't You're correct, Councilman. Uh, 3460 02:09:27,280 --> 02:09:28,000 I remember them talking. 3461 02:09:28,000 --> 02:09:30,239 >> As of right now, there's only two shed 3462 02:09:30,239 --> 02:09:32,320 roofs locations on the entire building. 3463 02:09:32,320 --> 02:09:33,840 One is over the day room kitchen area 3464 02:09:33,840 --> 02:09:36,000 which is on the detail 4 just center of 3465 02:09:36,000 --> 02:09:38,159 the page on the far left. 3466 02:09:38,159 --> 02:09:40,880 >> Exact right a little further right 3467 02:09:40,880 --> 02:09:42,239 there. 3468 02:09:42,239 --> 02:09:43,679 >> And then the other one and then the one 3469 02:09:43,679 --> 02:09:45,119 on the vestibule. So that was intended 3470 02:09:45,119 --> 02:09:47,280 to create cohesion between existing and 3471 02:09:47,280 --> 02:09:48,639 new. So it didn't look like a 3472 02:09:48,639 --> 02:09:50,159 adaptation. 3473 02:09:50,159 --> 02:09:55,840 But when you look from the bath from the city hall side, we don't see 3474 02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:57,920 that shed roof. So from that 3475 02:09:57,920 --> 02:09:59,280 perspective, which will be the most 3476 02:09:59,280 --> 02:10:03,040 public used space, that shed roof looks 3477 02:10:03,040 --> 02:10:05,679 um out of place because it doesn't 3478 02:10:05,679 --> 02:10:08,239 relate to anything else in the space. 3479 02:10:08,239 --> 02:10:10,960 What does relate are gables. And so 3480 02:10:10,960 --> 02:10:16,320 maybe considering that um you know, the fire station shed roof kind of 3481 02:10:16,320 --> 02:10:19,040 stands alone. It's over the kitchen. it 3482 02:10:19,040 --> 02:10:21,280 serves as a gathering place for them. 3483 02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:24,719 Um, but I think that was a one big 3484 02:10:24,719 --> 02:10:25,119 feature. 3485 02:10:25,119 --> 02:10:26,880 >> The front of the building, you can see 3486 02:10:26,880 --> 02:10:27,920 both though. 3487 02:10:27,920 --> 02:10:30,880 >> But again, mostly public spends time in 3488 02:10:30,880 --> 02:10:34,079 the park, spends time, you know, out 3489 02:10:34,079 --> 02:10:36,480 here and that's what they're seeing. 3490 02:10:36,480 --> 02:10:38,000 >> Just a trade-off, I guess. 3491 02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:39,679 >> Jessica, would you be willing to say the 3492 02:10:39,679 --> 02:10:42,079 list that you said to me about them? I 3493 02:10:42,079 --> 02:10:44,159 remember the windows, the roof color, 3494 02:10:44,159 --> 02:10:46,639 the stucco. Was there any the brick? Was 3495 02:10:46,639 --> 02:10:48,480 there anything else? because this will 3496 02:10:48,480 --> 02:10:50,960 give them a better idea at what they're 3497 02:10:50,960 --> 02:10:52,560 looking at, how big of a thing this is. 3498 02:10:52,560 --> 02:10:53,760 I mean, they already solved one of them 3499 02:10:53,760 --> 02:10:55,760 just with the paint color. Would you 3500 02:10:55,760 --> 02:10:57,119 just be willing to put it out there so 3501 02:10:57,119 --> 02:10:57,840 we know what it is? 3502 02:10:57,840 --> 02:11:00,159 >> Well, and I think I would lean to um 3503 02:11:00,159 --> 02:11:03,119 Council Member Blackwell's input. 3504 02:11:03,119 --> 02:11:04,880 >> She would like to see 3505 02:11:04,880 --> 02:11:08,239 >> the keystones and the eyebrow um 3506 02:11:08,239 --> 02:11:09,360 accents. 3507 02:11:09,360 --> 02:11:11,679 >> I personally like those. I know that for 3508 02:11:11,679 --> 02:11:13,199 some that's dated, but to me it's 3509 02:11:13,199 --> 02:11:14,639 historic and it ties it to this 3510 02:11:14,639 --> 02:11:17,040 building. So, I loved keeping those. I 3511 02:11:17,040 --> 02:11:18,880 would love the stucco instead of the 3512 02:11:18,880 --> 02:11:20,800 wood. I'd love the roof color changed to 3513 02:11:20,800 --> 02:11:23,520 a brown that matches this one. Um I'd 3514 02:11:23,520 --> 02:11:26,320 love a gable. I think a gable over the 3515 02:11:26,320 --> 02:11:30,000 vestibule would look better. Um I think 3516 02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:32,239 the windows, correct me if I'm wrong, 3517 02:11:32,239 --> 02:11:35,119 were they going to be the black? I think 3518 02:11:35,119 --> 02:11:37,440 white 3519 02:11:37,440 --> 02:11:38,639 >> that has remained are going to remain 3520 02:11:38,639 --> 02:11:40,320 and they're they're currently vinyl. The 3521 02:11:40,320 --> 02:11:42,159 new windows just for energy efficiency 3522 02:11:42,159 --> 02:11:43,760 are storefront system. So, it's clear 3523 02:11:43,760 --> 02:11:46,159 anodized silver at the new at the new 3524 02:11:46,159 --> 02:11:48,000 edition. 3525 02:11:48,000 --> 02:11:49,599 >> Those can come in a variety of different 3526 02:11:49,599 --> 02:11:50,079 finishes. 3527 02:11:50,079 --> 02:11:52,000 >> Yeah. So, she's seeing the white on this 3528 02:11:52,000 --> 02:11:53,440 building and all the ones around as 3529 02:11:53,440 --> 02:11:54,800 white. And that's what they told me. And 3530 02:11:54,800 --> 02:11:56,079 I was like, you're right. They are all 3531 02:11:56,079 --> 02:11:56,639 white. 3532 02:11:56,639 --> 02:11:57,599 >> Yes. 3533 02:11:57,599 --> 02:11:59,360 >> Uh, so planning commission is saying 3534 02:11:59,360 --> 02:12:00,960 black. You're saying white. 3535 02:12:00,960 --> 02:12:02,480 >> Well, he's saying it actually is 3536 02:12:02,480 --> 02:12:04,000 commercial grade. 3537 02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:05,599 >> And it's the metals. So, they almost 3538 02:12:05,599 --> 02:12:07,119 become invisible. 3539 02:12:07,119 --> 02:12:09,199 >> Your eye isn't going to go to that 3540 02:12:09,199 --> 02:12:10,320 feature. It's not. 3541 02:12:10,320 --> 02:12:12,159 >> But it's also the doors and the roof. So 3542 02:12:12,159 --> 02:12:14,560 they kind of go together. Just 3543 02:12:14,560 --> 02:12:15,679 >> I'm writing these down so we can send 3544 02:12:15,679 --> 02:12:16,000 them. 3545 02:12:16,000 --> 02:12:17,679 >> I think it's four things. It's four or 3546 02:12:17,679 --> 02:12:18,400 five things. 3547 02:12:18,400 --> 02:12:19,679 >> And then I think just some of the 3548 02:12:19,679 --> 02:12:21,440 features above the windows like we have 3549 02:12:21,440 --> 02:12:24,880 here, the keystone designs 3550 02:12:24,880 --> 02:12:26,880 just to tie it together. Those are my 3551 02:12:26,880 --> 02:12:27,840 thoughts. 3552 02:12:27,840 --> 02:12:30,000 >> But you want to match a building built a 3553 02:12:30,000 --> 02:12:32,320 hundred years ago even though it's 3554 02:12:32,320 --> 02:12:35,440 >> that's in our historic area. That's where I'm coming 3555 02:12:35,440 --> 02:12:36,880 >> rather than blend like this. The 3556 02:12:36,880 --> 02:12:38,480 description here is it's a blend of 3557 02:12:38,480 --> 02:12:41,199 existing and new architectural forms. So 3558 02:12:41,199 --> 02:12:42,639 that we're we're move 3559 02:12:42,639 --> 02:12:46,550 >> we're forward looking. 3560 02:12:46,560 --> 02:12:49,040 » I don't Yeah. You know, I just when we 3561 02:12:49,040 --> 02:12:51,040 were down at 3562 02:12:51,040 --> 02:12:52,639 the side of the building is forward 3563 02:12:52,639 --> 02:12:54,239 looking and this is very historic. 3564 02:12:54,239 --> 02:12:56,239 >> When I went down to ULCT, I went on the 3565 02:12:56,239 --> 02:13:00,400 tour of um their new city hall in St. 3566 02:13:00,400 --> 02:13:04,880 George and they said, you know, um, 3567 02:13:04,880 --> 02:13:07,520 and it was built in their historic town 3568 02:13:07,520 --> 02:13:10,400 center and they said, but we wanted it 3569 02:13:10,400 --> 02:13:12,000 to be, they went a completely different 3570 02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:15,199 way. We wanted it to be representative 3571 02:13:15,199 --> 02:13:17,440 of when it was built. And so it's a very 3572 02:13:17,440 --> 02:13:19,199 modern building 3573 02:13:19,199 --> 02:13:22,079 >> and I know that because we have such 3574 02:13:22,079 --> 02:13:25,679 strong ties to our history that we have 3575 02:13:25,679 --> 02:13:28,159 kept a lot of those elements and then 3576 02:13:28,159 --> 02:13:30,400 incorporated some of the newer things 3577 02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:32,719 that are modern to the time that we're 3578 02:13:32,719 --> 02:13:36,159 building it. And I feel like that what 3579 02:13:36,159 --> 02:13:40,079 we're seeing now is a good um 3580 02:13:40,079 --> 02:13:42,239 combination amalgamation of both of it. 3581 02:13:42,239 --> 02:13:44,480 both an homage to the history and the 3582 02:13:44,480 --> 02:13:46,800 historic building that was here that was 3583 02:13:46,800 --> 02:13:49,360 built 30 years ago and then also looking 3584 02:13:49,360 --> 02:13:52,560 forward to the modern designs. But I 3585 02:13:52,560 --> 02:13:54,480 mean, you know, there were and you guys 3586 02:13:54,480 --> 02:13:55,760 saw the elevations. There were a couple 3587 02:13:55,760 --> 02:13:58,400 that he did that were very very modern 3588 02:13:58,400 --> 02:14:01,520 and we did we reigned it in. He redid it 3589 02:14:01,520 --> 02:14:04,000 and kind of um with the restraints that 3590 02:14:04,000 --> 02:14:08,079 he had did both. And again, it's they 3591 02:14:08,079 --> 02:14:10,480 did what they were asked to do, which is 3592 02:14:10,480 --> 02:14:12,719 to combine those elements. And I feel 3593 02:14:12,719 --> 02:14:14,719 like they did a very good job of it. 3594 02:14:14,719 --> 02:14:16,560 >> They did do a very good job. They were 3595 02:14:16,560 --> 02:14:18,079 just looking for something else. 3596 02:14:18,079 --> 02:14:18,719 >> They did. 3597 02:14:18,719 --> 02:14:21,599 >> It's a nice architectural thing, right? 3598 02:14:21,599 --> 02:14:24,000 >> Yeah. You didn't do a bad job. No one 3599 02:14:24,000 --> 02:14:25,760 thinks you did a bad job. 3600 02:14:25,760 --> 02:14:27,840 >> Yeah. I think to point out that this 3601 02:14:27,840 --> 02:14:30,079 building, this is the historic part, but 3602 02:14:30,079 --> 02:14:33,119 the entrance doesn't feel this. It's But 3603 02:14:33,119 --> 02:14:35,280 it's a good cohesive feeling. like I 3604 02:14:35,280 --> 02:14:37,920 don't feel like there is an add-on back 3605 02:14:37,920 --> 02:14:40,960 there. So, it's to me we're following 3606 02:14:40,960 --> 02:14:43,440 the same whoever designed the the 3607 02:14:43,440 --> 02:14:45,280 addition to this building was following 3608 02:14:45,280 --> 02:14:46,960 the same principles as I see being 3609 02:14:46,960 --> 02:14:48,239 applied to this building. 3610 02:14:48,239 --> 02:14:50,000 >> So, are we making a motion tonight on 3611 02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:50,400 this? 3612 02:14:50,400 --> 02:14:52,719 >> Yes, this is an action item. 3613 02:14:52,719 --> 02:14:55,679 >> Kaden, can you put it can you put it 3614 02:14:55,679 --> 02:14:56,800 forward you think 3615 02:14:56,800 --> 02:14:59,280 >> Jessica suggested group? I am just 3616 02:14:59,280 --> 02:15:01,760 discussing potentials. Are you okay? 3617 02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:03,199 >> So, I can make a motion. 3618 02:15:03,199 --> 02:15:05,520 >> Okay. I move to recommend approval of 3619 02:15:05,520 --> 02:15:07,040 the construction of the Alpine Fire 3620 02:15:07,040 --> 02:15:13,830 Station addition remodel 3621 02:15:13,840 --> 02:15:19,270 based on the following conditions. 3622 02:15:19,280 --> 02:15:20,880 The 3623 02:15:20,880 --> 02:15:22,800 vestibule 3624 02:15:22,800 --> 02:15:24,800 into the community center becomes 3625 02:15:24,800 --> 02:15:27,280 gabled. 3626 02:15:27,280 --> 02:15:30,629 the 3627 02:15:30,639 --> 02:15:34,159 um wood cladding 3628 02:15:34,159 --> 02:15:36,400 is removed. 3629 02:15:36,400 --> 02:15:38,239 >> And 3630 02:15:38,239 --> 02:15:40,239 we can discuss my motion. 3631 02:15:40,239 --> 02:15:42,079 >> I know, but I just want you to clarify 3632 02:15:42,079 --> 02:15:43,679 in the motion. 3633 02:15:43,679 --> 02:15:44,400 >> All of it 3634 02:15:44,400 --> 02:15:46,320 >> is removed. 3635 02:15:46,320 --> 02:15:49,520 The brick replaces 3636 02:15:49,520 --> 02:15:52,000 the cladding on the bumpout for the fire 3637 02:15:52,000 --> 02:15:53,599 station 3638 02:15:53,599 --> 02:15:57,119 and brick and then continues and extends 3639 02:15:57,119 --> 02:16:01,599 to the patio along the kitchen. 3640 02:16:01,599 --> 02:16:04,880 And then um 3641 02:16:04,880 --> 02:16:07,840 the roof stays as close to the color as 3642 02:16:07,840 --> 02:16:10,880 it currently is. 3643 02:16:10,880 --> 02:16:13,910 and 3644 02:16:13,920 --> 02:16:18,000 further discussion and 3645 02:16:18,000 --> 02:16:22,320 a design or a a a design plan is shown 3646 02:16:22,320 --> 02:16:26,000 adding the keystones and the accents 3647 02:16:26,000 --> 02:16:29,360 over the windows to be determined to be 3648 02:16:29,360 --> 02:16:32,479 included or not. 3649 02:16:32,479 --> 02:16:34,639 >> Can I make an amendment to your motion 3650 02:16:34,639 --> 02:16:35,920 by adding 3651 02:16:35,920 --> 02:16:38,160 >> We need a second and then we'll 3652 02:16:38,160 --> 02:16:41,679 >> I'll second that. 3653 02:16:41,679 --> 02:16:42,639 What's the amendment? 3654 02:16:42,639 --> 02:16:45,280 >> Would you be willing to add white on the 3655 02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:47,519 doors or the trim because you didn't 3656 02:16:47,519 --> 02:16:49,920 specify that? And somewhere in there the 3657 02:16:49,920 --> 02:16:51,439 word cohesion because I think that's 3658 02:16:51,439 --> 02:16:52,000 what 3659 02:16:52,000 --> 02:16:53,840 >> Are you saying white doors or what are 3660 02:16:53,840 --> 02:16:54,960 you saying adding white? 3661 02:16:54,960 --> 02:16:56,319 >> The doors are going to be that 3662 02:16:56,319 --> 02:16:59,439 stainless, but I would say white fascia 3663 02:16:59,439 --> 02:17:01,280 >> because I do remember that they said 3664 02:17:01,280 --> 02:17:02,399 black fascia. 3665 02:17:02,399 --> 02:17:04,160 >> What you all told me was matching and 3666 02:17:04,160 --> 02:17:05,200 cohesion. I didn't hear the word 3667 02:17:05,200 --> 02:17:06,559 cohesion there. So, would you be willing 3668 02:17:06,559 --> 02:17:09,920 to add the phrase somewhere in there 3669 02:17:09,920 --> 02:17:11,840 cohesive to the surrounding city 3670 02:17:11,840 --> 02:17:16,000 buildings and then uh if you want adding 3671 02:17:16,000 --> 02:17:16,800 the windows to be 3672 02:17:16,800 --> 02:17:18,639 >> so I would amend that motion to include 3673 02:17:18,639 --> 02:17:22,559 the fascia to become white and not to 3674 02:17:22,559 --> 02:17:24,240 exceed 3675 02:17:24,240 --> 02:17:26,559 um 3676 02:17:26,559 --> 02:17:29,599 any of the line item budgets that have 3677 02:17:29,599 --> 02:17:33,920 been shown like it won't go higher than 3678 02:17:33,920 --> 02:17:36,319 >> okay. So, is that possible? So, we were 3679 02:17:36,319 --> 02:17:38,960 shown 3680 02:17:38,960 --> 02:17:41,760 >> an allowance basically. So, $65 a foot 3681 02:17:41,760 --> 02:17:46,479 for cladding is $22. So, these these 3682 02:17:46,479 --> 02:17:52,000 design changes won't exceed the numbers 3683 02:17:52,000 --> 02:17:53,280 we were shown today. 3684 02:17:53,280 --> 02:17:54,080 >> Okay. 3685 02:17:54,080 --> 02:17:56,240 >> Is that possible? 3686 02:17:56,240 --> 02:17:57,920 >> Wouldn't it be better if we table it? 3687 02:17:57,920 --> 02:18:00,240 They brought back a design to slow it 3688 02:18:00,240 --> 02:18:02,399 down. Then when are we going to see it 3689 02:18:02,399 --> 02:18:04,399 again to see if your vision is what 3690 02:18:04,399 --> 02:18:05,760 comes out? Because I'm not willing to 3691 02:18:05,760 --> 02:18:08,719 vote on something I can't see. 3692 02:18:08,719 --> 02:18:10,240 >> Two other council members that are 3693 02:18:10,240 --> 02:18:12,880 interested in it being more cohesive 3694 02:18:12,880 --> 02:18:14,800 with our historic town square. So it's 3695 02:18:14,800 --> 02:18:15,359 not 3696 02:18:15,359 --> 02:18:17,280 >> But you don't want to see it again. 3697 02:18:17,280 --> 02:18:18,800 >> We'll see it again because it's 3698 02:18:18,800 --> 02:18:20,559 conditioned on those things, but I don't 3699 02:18:20,559 --> 02:18:22,880 want to slow down the process or stop 3700 02:18:22,880 --> 02:18:24,639 what they're doing from a permitting 3701 02:18:24,639 --> 02:18:28,240 standpoint. you can make um those kinds 3702 02:18:28,240 --> 02:18:31,200 of exterior changes all the time during 3703 02:18:31,200 --> 02:18:33,359 construction. Just like Andrew said, 3704 02:18:33,359 --> 02:18:36,399 part of the process is sometimes this 3705 02:18:36,399 --> 02:18:39,040 and it's a little messy, but at the end 3706 02:18:39,040 --> 02:18:41,519 you get the product that works for our 3707 02:18:41,519 --> 02:18:42,479 campus, 3708 02:18:42,479 --> 02:18:44,000 >> but we'll be out of compliance because 3709 02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:45,840 the exterior needs to be approved by the 3710 02:18:45,840 --> 02:18:47,359 planning commission and us. And if you 3711 02:18:47,359 --> 02:18:50,240 change the exterior materially, we start 3712 02:18:50,240 --> 02:18:51,200 the process over. 3713 02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:53,359 >> We're actually true. No, we're changing 3714 02:18:53,359 --> 02:18:58,080 this to meet their um recommendations. 3715 02:18:58,080 --> 02:18:59,760 They said add more brick and take away 3716 02:18:59,760 --> 02:19:00,399 the wood. 3717 02:19:00,399 --> 02:19:02,880 >> Mr. Doxy, if we add these changes into 3718 02:19:02,880 --> 02:19:04,719 this motion, does this have to start the 3719 02:19:04,719 --> 02:19:07,599 process all over again and return to the 3720 02:19:07,599 --> 02:19:09,840 planning commission? 3721 02:19:09,840 --> 02:19:12,639 >> Um, that's a good question. I don't know 3722 02:19:12,639 --> 02:19:14,719 if it's a material change. You certainly 3723 02:19:14,719 --> 02:19:18,399 have the op you have the authority to 3724 02:19:18,399 --> 02:19:20,399 either accept their recommendation in 3725 02:19:20,399 --> 02:19:25,040 full to reject it, send it back or you 3726 02:19:25,040 --> 02:19:27,519 can make some modifications to it 3727 02:19:27,519 --> 02:19:30,790 >> in that 3728 02:19:30,800 --> 02:19:34,719 if it's not changing compliance with I 3729 02:19:34,719 --> 02:19:37,040 mean their their task was to verify 3730 02:19:37,040 --> 02:19:39,439 compliance with the design guidelines 3731 02:19:39,439 --> 02:19:41,519 that currently exist. 3732 02:19:41,519 --> 02:19:43,840 Uh Jessica, in discussing your motion, 3733 02:19:43,840 --> 02:19:48,000 is it that bad for a week or two more to 3734 02:19:48,000 --> 02:19:49,439 send this back, let them look at it, 3735 02:19:49,439 --> 02:19:51,200 relook at it, to what Chrissy is saying, 3736 02:19:51,200 --> 02:19:52,560 make sure your vision, what you're 3737 02:19:52,560 --> 02:19:54,640 putting forward is okay. Are we are we 3738 02:19:54,640 --> 02:19:56,560 going to miss out on anything? 3739 02:19:56,560 --> 02:19:58,479 >> Because that's how simple these changes 3740 02:19:58,479 --> 02:19:58,800 are. 3741 02:19:58,800 --> 02:20:00,960 >> Oh, okay. All right. 3742 02:20:00,960 --> 02:20:02,800 >> It's changing a wooden spire to a 3743 02:20:02,800 --> 02:20:03,760 granite spire. 3744 02:20:03,760 --> 02:20:05,359 >> Did you want to say anything? I I'm not 3745 02:20:05,359 --> 02:20:06,160 trying to 3746 02:20:06,160 --> 02:20:08,080 >> just in the sense of if we want to 3747 02:20:08,080 --> 02:20:10,319 proceed with any changes regardless of 3748 02:20:10,319 --> 02:20:12,160 what they do or don't affect and the 3749 02:20:12,160 --> 02:20:14,479 extent of them the only way to do so 3750 02:20:14,479 --> 02:20:16,479 without not impacting any change to 3751 02:20:16,479 --> 02:20:19,280 permitting bidding groundbreaking etc 3752 02:20:19,280 --> 02:20:21,760 would be to proceed as is knowing that 3753 02:20:21,760 --> 02:20:24,319 we' making these change post bid and 3754 02:20:24,319 --> 02:20:26,240 then we'd be subject to change orders of 3755 02:20:26,240 --> 02:20:29,200 the GMP which is completely in the realm 3756 02:20:29,200 --> 02:20:30,880 of normaly 3757 02:20:30,880 --> 02:20:33,439 >> the disadvantage I would caution is that 3758 02:20:33,439 --> 02:20:35,520 you are now exiting ing a competitive 3759 02:20:35,520 --> 02:20:38,399 market, meaning you're you're soliciting 3760 02:20:38,399 --> 02:20:40,160 bids for multiple subcontractors to get 3761 02:20:40,160 --> 02:20:42,160 the best competitive bid. Once someone 3762 02:20:42,160 --> 02:20:43,680 has won that job and they're submitting 3763 02:20:43,680 --> 02:20:46,399 a change, whether deductive or additive, 3764 02:20:46,399 --> 02:20:48,000 they no more have a competitive edge to 3765 02:20:48,000 --> 02:20:50,319 give you a good price so they can 3766 02:20:50,319 --> 02:20:51,680 >> Can you just step me through that 3767 02:20:51,680 --> 02:20:54,000 process? Because I often do this and and 3768 02:20:54,000 --> 02:20:56,399 when I'm in permitting, I actually go 3769 02:20:56,399 --> 02:20:58,960 back out to bid for my changes so 3770 02:20:58,960 --> 02:21:01,200 they're not considered change orders. Is 3771 02:21:01,200 --> 02:21:03,840 that a different process in this county? 3772 02:21:03,840 --> 02:21:06,160 And why if I have a masonry that's 3773 02:21:06,160 --> 02:21:09,359 bidding this many square feet to to lay 3774 02:21:09,359 --> 02:21:11,280 the brick if I'm just adding a little 3775 02:21:11,280 --> 02:21:13,280 bit more and we're taking away the 3776 02:21:13,280 --> 02:21:17,680 cladding um vendor. So how is that again 3777 02:21:17,680 --> 02:21:20,800 something that's out of normal? 3778 02:21:20,800 --> 02:21:22,319 >> So like say it's not out of normal. 3779 02:21:22,319 --> 02:21:22,560 Okay. 3780 02:21:22,560 --> 02:21:23,520 >> I'm just making sure you understand the 3781 02:21:23,520 --> 02:21:26,160 consequences of of timing and and make 3782 02:21:26,160 --> 02:21:27,840 no mistake there's a difference between 3783 02:21:27,840 --> 02:21:30,319 the permitting process and the bidding 3784 02:21:30,319 --> 02:21:33,120 process. They're two separate. If if you 3785 02:21:33,120 --> 02:21:35,120 if you'll if you'll grant me one more 3786 02:21:35,120 --> 02:21:35,359 second. 3787 02:21:35,359 --> 02:21:37,520 >> Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt. 3788 02:21:37,520 --> 02:21:39,840 >> Um the permitting is simply just to get 3789 02:21:39,840 --> 02:21:41,760 a permit of construction so we can start 3790 02:21:41,760 --> 02:21:43,439 building. 3791 02:21:43,439 --> 02:21:45,680 The bidding, however, is a there's a a 3792 02:21:45,680 --> 02:21:47,040 date defined by the contractor 3793 02:21:47,040 --> 02:21:49,280 currently. It's May 28th of when the 3794 02:21:49,280 --> 02:21:51,040 bidding will be closed. 3795 02:21:51,040 --> 02:21:52,479 >> At that point, the GMP, which is the 3796 02:21:52,479 --> 02:21:53,600 guarantee maximum price, will be 3797 02:21:53,600 --> 02:21:55,840 established and presented for approval. 3798 02:21:55,840 --> 02:22:00,000 Now under a scenario of nothing changes 3799 02:22:00,000 --> 02:22:03,040 and we proceed and we get said GMP and 3800 02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:04,960 the subcontractor who is awarded say the 3801 02:22:04,960 --> 02:22:06,720 masonry contractor 3802 02:22:06,720 --> 02:22:08,080 >> comes and said these are my total 3803 02:22:08,080 --> 02:22:10,640 dollars. Okay, now we'd like to have a 3804 02:22:10,640 --> 02:22:12,880 change which reduces the square footage 3805 02:22:12,880 --> 02:22:14,399 of masonry. So therefore we're expecting 3806 02:22:14,399 --> 02:22:17,520 a credit that contractor will not have 3807 02:22:17,520 --> 02:22:20,160 any motivation to give as much as he bid 3808 02:22:20,160 --> 02:22:21,840 for it. He could get back significantly 3809 02:22:21,840 --> 02:22:23,040 less because he's already been awarded 3810 02:22:23,040 --> 02:22:25,920 the contract. It's not a fact, but it's 3811 02:22:25,920 --> 02:22:28,319 an instance we see continually. So, the 3812 02:22:28,319 --> 02:22:29,920 biggest 3813 02:22:29,920 --> 02:22:33,439 gain of your dollar is to make changes 3814 02:22:33,439 --> 02:22:36,720 pre- bid. And to what? And to add to 3815 02:22:36,720 --> 02:22:39,120 that, 3816 02:22:39,120 --> 02:22:42,479 May 12th, bids are due May 28th. If they 3817 02:22:42,479 --> 02:22:45,200 take a week to make these changes, comes 3818 02:22:45,200 --> 02:22:48,479 back to the city council for review. 3819 02:22:48,479 --> 02:22:50,240 I don't know if that needs to be in the 3820 02:22:50,240 --> 02:22:53,760 next public meeting or u the timing of 3821 02:22:53,760 --> 02:22:55,520 that making the changes come back for 3822 02:22:55,520 --> 02:22:57,840 review going back to make changes again 3823 02:22:57,840 --> 02:23:00,720 without pushing that May 28th day the 3824 02:23:00,720 --> 02:23:03,280 only way to do it is to do it as change 3825 02:23:03,280 --> 02:23:05,680 order number one 3826 02:23:05,680 --> 02:23:08,640 >> my comment was uh and this is not just 3827 02:23:08,640 --> 02:23:10,880 you guys it's several developers are 3828 02:23:10,880 --> 02:23:13,200 doing this where they are I mean we're 3829 02:23:13,200 --> 02:23:15,359 looking at approving something but we're 3830 02:23:15,359 --> 02:23:16,720 being told you're already getting bids 3831 02:23:16,720 --> 02:23:18,800 and the the time is already done. Seems 3832 02:23:18,800 --> 02:23:20,160 like that should happen after the 3833 02:23:20,160 --> 02:23:22,319 approval. But this is not just you guys. 3834 02:23:22,319 --> 02:23:24,080 We have other developers selling lots 3835 02:23:24,080 --> 02:23:26,720 that aren't even legal uh for other 3836 02:23:26,720 --> 02:23:28,720 structures and they haven't even gotten 3837 02:23:28,720 --> 02:23:30,880 approval first and they're already 3838 02:23:30,880 --> 02:23:33,280 selling them. And uh I just I just think 3839 02:23:33,280 --> 02:23:34,640 we were putting for the cart before the 3840 02:23:34,640 --> 02:23:36,960 horse and then we we are stuck in this 3841 02:23:36,960 --> 02:23:39,439 trap of we don't want to slow down the 3842 02:23:39,439 --> 02:23:40,880 process or we don't want to hurt your 3843 02:23:40,880 --> 02:23:43,600 bids, but it's out of order. It's 3844 02:23:43,600 --> 02:23:44,479 literally out of order, 3845 02:23:44,479 --> 02:23:45,680 >> you know, and that's where I started 3846 02:23:45,680 --> 02:23:48,080 with at the very beginning. Now is the 3847 02:23:48,080 --> 02:23:49,359 time to make changes if you're still 3848 02:23:49,359 --> 02:23:50,080 going to make changes. 3849 02:23:50,080 --> 02:23:52,160 >> But I know but we are but you're telling 3850 02:23:52,160 --> 02:23:54,720 us that now we're on the current and 3851 02:23:54,720 --> 02:23:56,640 these weird constraints. They are 3852 02:23:56,640 --> 02:23:57,520 backwards 3853 02:23:57,520 --> 02:23:58,640 >> on the current schedule. 3854 02:23:58,640 --> 02:24:00,319 >> I would appreciate if developers and 3855 02:24:00,319 --> 02:24:02,640 people would wait for approval because 3856 02:24:02,640 --> 02:24:03,600 that's what we're doing. We're looking 3857 02:24:03,600 --> 02:24:04,800 at the design and being asked if we 3858 02:24:04,800 --> 02:24:05,920 approve this design. We're saying we 3859 02:24:05,920 --> 02:24:07,359 want changes and we're being told by 3860 02:24:07,359 --> 02:24:09,680 everyone we can't ask for changes 3861 02:24:09,680 --> 02:24:12,160 >> like what said no we're just saying 3862 02:24:12,160 --> 02:24:14,000 there's consequences to why is there 3863 02:24:14,000 --> 02:24:15,200 consequences? 3864 02:24:15,200 --> 02:24:17,520 So, so I think in this scenario, all 3865 02:24:17,520 --> 02:24:19,600 we're talking about is there's going to 3866 02:24:19,600 --> 02:24:22,319 be a change order from a mason. 3867 02:24:22,319 --> 02:24:23,920 >> That's what we're talking about. So, are 3868 02:24:23,920 --> 02:24:25,280 we willing to move 3869 02:24:25,280 --> 02:24:27,280 >> a mason before we've approved how much 3870 02:24:27,280 --> 02:24:29,840 stucco? That is backwards. 3871 02:24:29,840 --> 02:24:32,560 >> If you think about the process, we it 3872 02:24:32,560 --> 02:24:34,000 felt like we've already been through 3873 02:24:34,000 --> 02:24:37,200 that process because we we had three or 3874 02:24:37,200 --> 02:24:38,960 four or five different architectural 3875 02:24:38,960 --> 02:24:41,760 reviews that came back. Council said, 3876 02:24:41,760 --> 02:24:43,680 "We want it to look different. We want 3877 02:24:43,680 --> 02:24:45,120 more historic. They came back with 3878 02:24:45,120 --> 02:24:48,399 gables. That felt like it was accepted. 3879 02:24:48,399 --> 02:24:50,080 >> Same with building materials and all 3880 02:24:50,080 --> 02:24:51,840 those things. 3881 02:24:51,840 --> 02:24:52,640 So, 3882 02:24:52,640 --> 02:24:53,600 >> understand 3883 02:24:53,600 --> 02:24:55,520 >> I don't feel like we've gotten the cart 3884 02:24:55,520 --> 02:24:57,439 before the horse. We felt like we 3885 02:24:57,439 --> 02:24:59,280 already had approval. 3886 02:24:59,280 --> 02:25:01,520 >> We brought it to city council for votes 3887 02:25:01,520 --> 02:25:05,600 specifically for that reason when in 3888 02:25:05,600 --> 02:25:07,359 many cities they wouldn't take that 3889 02:25:07,359 --> 02:25:10,080 step. We did that because we wanted to 3890 02:25:10,080 --> 02:25:13,200 make sure you were fully involved and on 3891 02:25:13,200 --> 02:25:14,560 board with what was happening. 3892 02:25:14,560 --> 02:25:16,240 >> And Andrew, that's what I don't want to 3893 02:25:16,240 --> 02:25:20,399 slow down. And so we can move forward. 3894 02:25:20,399 --> 02:25:22,240 They can move forward. We'll have a 3895 02:25:22,240 --> 02:25:24,960 change order on brick if council decides 3896 02:25:24,960 --> 02:25:27,680 to go that direction, but it won't cost 3897 02:25:27,680 --> 02:25:30,800 more than taking off the cladding at $65 3898 02:25:30,800 --> 02:25:33,120 a square foot. So, we're still going to 3899 02:25:33,120 --> 02:25:39,510 come in under those numbers. 3900 02:25:39,520 --> 02:25:41,760 So, okay. I think we're still in your 3901 02:25:41,760 --> 02:25:42,640 motion. 3902 02:25:42,640 --> 02:25:44,560 >> Yeah. The other thing I forgot to add on 3903 02:25:44,560 --> 02:25:47,120 the motion was what um planning 3904 02:25:47,120 --> 02:25:49,200 commission said which was 3905 02:25:49,200 --> 02:25:54,880 >> um the final Yeah. four and five. It was 3906 02:25:54,880 --> 02:25:56,479 >> so another amendment 3907 02:25:56,479 --> 02:25:58,960 >> just yeah an amendment to include the 3908 02:25:58,960 --> 02:26:00,800 recommendation from planning commission 3909 02:26:00,800 --> 02:26:02,800 which was 3910 02:26:02,800 --> 02:26:05,439 um landscape landscape plan to be 3911 02:26:05,439 --> 02:26:08,560 provided before landscape is installed 3912 02:26:08,560 --> 02:26:10,560 exception to the setbacks for parking 3913 02:26:10,560 --> 02:26:14,469 based on the four criteria 3914 02:26:14,479 --> 02:26:19,670 >> in the ordinance. 3915 02:26:19,680 --> 02:26:22,319 Okay, we have a motion and a second. 3916 02:26:22,319 --> 02:26:24,479 >> Did he 3917 02:26:24,479 --> 02:26:26,880 s okay with that second amendment 3918 02:26:26,880 --> 02:26:28,800 >> amendment? 3919 02:26:28,800 --> 02:26:30,399 >> Yes. 3920 02:26:30,399 --> 02:26:33,920 So, um Dan, can you read back the motion 3921 02:26:33,920 --> 02:26:37,510 for us, please? 3922 02:26:37,520 --> 02:26:40,240 » Not really. Um 3923 02:26:40,240 --> 02:26:42,960 because it went all over, but I'll give 3924 02:26:42,960 --> 02:26:44,560 you what I have. Jessica moved to 3925 02:26:44,560 --> 02:26:46,080 recommend approval of the fire station 3926 02:26:46,080 --> 02:26:47,840 addition remodel based on the following 3927 02:26:47,840 --> 02:26:50,319 conditions. The vestibial into the 3928 02:26:50,319 --> 02:26:53,280 community center is gabled. All wood 3929 02:26:53,280 --> 02:26:56,080 cladding is removed. Brick replaces the 3930 02:26:56,080 --> 02:26:57,680 cladding on the bumpout for the fire 3931 02:26:57,680 --> 02:27:00,160 station and then something about it 3932 02:27:00,160 --> 02:27:02,160 continues and extends to the patio along 3933 02:27:02,160 --> 02:27:05,359 the kitchen. The roof stays as close to 3934 02:27:05,359 --> 02:27:07,840 the current at the color current color 3935 02:27:07,840 --> 02:27:11,040 as possible. Um, further discussion and 3936 02:27:11,040 --> 02:27:13,280 design plan is shown adding keystones 3937 02:27:13,280 --> 02:27:16,560 and accents over the windows. So, I 3938 02:27:16,560 --> 02:27:17,840 think she meant the council can 3939 02:27:17,840 --> 02:27:20,479 determine whether to include it or not. 3940 02:27:20,479 --> 02:27:23,520 The fascia will be white. Um, it won't 3941 02:27:23,520 --> 02:27:25,439 exceed any of the line item budgets that 3942 02:27:25,439 --> 02:27:27,760 have been previously 3943 02:27:27,760 --> 02:27:30,720 shown. Is that on this short list 3944 02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:32,800 tonight with the materials? 3945 02:27:32,800 --> 02:27:35,760 >> Not to exceed the materials. 3946 02:27:35,760 --> 02:27:37,120 >> Brick will go up, won't it? because 3947 02:27:37,120 --> 02:27:37,680 you're increasing 3948 02:27:37,680 --> 02:27:38,720 >> but the total cost 3949 02:27:38,720 --> 02:27:40,720 >> and then including the recommendations 3950 02:27:40,720 --> 02:27:42,000 from the planning commission that the 3951 02:27:42,000 --> 02:27:45,040 landscape plan be provided before 3952 02:27:45,040 --> 02:27:47,359 something something which I will fill in 3953 02:27:47,359 --> 02:27:49,600 later. That's right. 3954 02:27:49,600 --> 02:27:52,560 Um and the exceptions to the setbacks 3955 02:27:52,560 --> 02:27:55,040 for the parking based on the criteria in 3956 02:27:55,040 --> 02:27:56,640 the ordinance 3957 02:27:56,640 --> 02:27:59,120 and anyway that's what I have. I will 3958 02:27:59,120 --> 02:28:01,920 listen to it repeatedly but 3959 02:28:01,920 --> 02:28:03,840 >> Jan and Jessica did the cohesive to the 3960 02:28:03,840 --> 02:28:05,200 other building. You didn't say anything 3961 02:28:05,200 --> 02:28:06,399 about cohesive. 3962 02:28:06,399 --> 02:28:08,720 >> Want that or no? I I was 3963 02:28:08,720 --> 02:28:11,359 >> Well, Dave Babcock has confirmed that 3964 02:28:11,359 --> 02:28:14,160 the color is to stay the color. 3965 02:28:14,160 --> 02:28:16,319 >> So, that was part of the cohesiveness 3966 02:28:16,319 --> 02:28:18,080 was just coloring. 3967 02:28:18,080 --> 02:28:18,720 >> So, 3968 02:28:18,720 --> 02:28:20,880 >> can I ask one clarifying? When you say 3969 02:28:20,880 --> 02:28:23,439 fascia, are you intending the window and 3970 02:28:23,439 --> 02:28:25,439 the door trim frame? 3971 02:28:25,439 --> 02:28:26,800 >> I was thinking of what goes underneath 3972 02:28:26,800 --> 02:28:28,080 the eaves of the 3973 02:28:28,080 --> 02:28:28,960 >> Okay. The sophet. 3974 02:28:28,960 --> 02:28:30,880 >> The sophet. Okay. And then so the sophet 3975 02:28:30,880 --> 02:28:33,200 and the fascia. The planning commission 3976 02:28:33,200 --> 02:28:34,800 had mentioned something about the fascia 3977 02:28:34,800 --> 02:28:37,920 being black and we weren't sure like 3978 02:28:37,920 --> 02:28:40,560 what that was. So I guess just an easier 3979 02:28:40,560 --> 02:28:43,359 way to say it is remove all black. 3980 02:28:43,359 --> 02:28:46,560 >> The planning commission referenced the 3981 02:28:46,560 --> 02:28:51,510 door and window frames, not the sophet. 3982 02:28:51,520 --> 02:28:54,240 » So what are those? What colors are those 3983 02:28:54,240 --> 02:28:56,560 going to be? 3984 02:28:56,560 --> 02:28:58,399 >> They wanted dark aluminum, but but 3985 02:28:58,399 --> 02:29:02,309 that's not what's existing. 3986 02:29:02,319 --> 02:29:05,990 White is existing. 3987 02:29:06,000 --> 02:29:08,399 » So, they were going to be 3988 02:29:08,399 --> 02:29:08,960 >> Yeah. 3989 02:29:08,960 --> 02:29:11,280 >> And white is more of a historical, 3990 02:29:11,280 --> 02:29:12,560 >> right? That's why I asked if you wanted 3991 02:29:12,560 --> 02:29:14,800 to put cohesion and windows in there 3992 02:29:14,800 --> 02:29:17,520 from what you were explaining. It's up 3993 02:29:17,520 --> 02:29:19,600 to you. I I don't really have a strong 3994 02:29:19,600 --> 02:29:21,520 >> I think those design elements create the 3995 02:29:21,520 --> 02:29:23,760 cohesion and the windows have to be 3996 02:29:23,760 --> 02:29:26,640 commercial grade aluminum framed and so 3997 02:29:26,640 --> 02:29:29,439 we're not choosing window colors. 3998 02:29:29,439 --> 02:29:31,600 Correct. If I understand that right, the 3999 02:29:31,600 --> 02:29:34,640 window colors come as the aluminum 4000 02:29:34,640 --> 02:29:35,520 commercial grade. 4001 02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:37,040 >> I'm not talking about the actual windows 4002 02:29:37,040 --> 02:29:38,319 >> made in many different colors. That's 4003 02:29:38,319 --> 02:29:39,120 the most 4004 02:29:39,120 --> 02:29:40,720 >> I'm talking about the frame around the 4005 02:29:40,720 --> 02:29:43,200 windows. That's where it's black 4006 02:29:43,200 --> 02:29:46,000 >> grayish 4007 02:29:46,000 --> 02:29:49,040 >> and windows. Okay. So, amend the motion 4008 02:29:49,040 --> 02:29:52,000 window framing to be white to have 4009 02:29:52,000 --> 02:29:58,790 cohesiveness to Alpine City Hall. 4010 02:29:58,800 --> 02:30:01,120 And then does this the fascia still 4011 02:30:01,120 --> 02:30:03,200 apply the soften the fascia since that 4012 02:30:03,200 --> 02:30:04,720 wasn't a recommendation of the planning 4013 02:30:04,720 --> 02:30:07,520 commission. Does that still stay in it 4014 02:30:07,520 --> 02:30:08,640 >> to be black? 4015 02:30:08,640 --> 02:30:10,240 >> No. 4016 02:30:10,240 --> 02:30:11,120 >> Recommended that. 4017 02:30:11,120 --> 02:30:13,120 >> They never recommended anything to this 4018 02:30:13,120 --> 02:30:13,840 fascia. 4019 02:30:13,840 --> 02:30:14,399 >> Okay. 4020 02:30:14,399 --> 02:30:16,080 >> I think maybe we saw a sample in the 4021 02:30:16,080 --> 02:30:17,520 back of a black metal. 4022 02:30:17,520 --> 02:30:19,600 >> He's just asking if you want windows and 4023 02:30:19,600 --> 02:30:21,040 fascia to be white. 4024 02:30:21,040 --> 02:30:25,040 >> Yeah. All of that to be white. 4025 02:30:25,040 --> 02:30:26,479 >> Jessica, I'll send you the motion 4026 02:30:26,479 --> 02:30:28,640 tomorrow for you to look over. I think 4027 02:30:28,640 --> 02:30:31,040 there's a lot here that's actually 4028 02:30:31,040 --> 02:30:32,240 fascia. 4029 02:30:32,240 --> 02:30:33,600 >> Many people watching this might feel 4030 02:30:33,600 --> 02:30:34,000 like 4031 02:30:34,000 --> 02:30:35,600 >> we're gonna end up with a very vanilla 4032 02:30:35,600 --> 02:30:38,160 building in the guys 4033 02:30:38,160 --> 02:30:42,469 to how this has morphed into 4034 02:30:42,479 --> 02:30:42,800 you. 4035 02:30:42,800 --> 02:30:44,960 >> I just feel like we have taken all the 4036 02:30:44,960 --> 02:30:47,200 character out of this building and it's 4037 02:30:47,200 --> 02:30:49,280 going to be very vanilla and it's really 4038 02:30:49,280 --> 02:30:50,800 disappointing after going through all 4039 02:30:50,800 --> 02:30:53,680 this process that you want something 4040 02:30:53,680 --> 02:30:57,920 that is just gonna 4041 02:30:57,920 --> 02:30:59,359 We're spending a lot of money on this 4042 02:30:59,359 --> 02:31:02,800 building. I would like for it to 4043 02:31:02,800 --> 02:31:05,359 stand out in a way that the people in 4044 02:31:05,359 --> 02:31:08,880 our city would take pride in it. I feel 4045 02:31:08,880 --> 02:31:10,640 like we're spending a lot of money on 4046 02:31:10,640 --> 02:31:13,120 just a bl from what you guys have done. 4047 02:31:13,120 --> 02:31:14,640 I don't can't even come up with a better 4048 02:31:14,640 --> 02:31:16,160 word. I'm really frustrated. 4049 02:31:16,160 --> 02:31:17,760 >> Well, cohesive. 4050 02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:19,600 >> It's not going to be cohesive. 4051 02:31:19,600 --> 02:31:21,280 >> It is following what I'm not trying to 4052 02:31:21,280 --> 02:31:21,680 argue 4053 02:31:21,680 --> 02:31:23,600 >> what we have now is cohesive. 4054 02:31:23,600 --> 02:31:25,200 I agree. You're saying that it's more 4055 02:31:25,200 --> 02:31:27,439 cohesive, but I'm saying in the process 4056 02:31:27,439 --> 02:31:30,160 of doing that, we are spending a lot of 4057 02:31:30,160 --> 02:31:31,520 money on a building that is just going 4058 02:31:31,520 --> 02:31:32,880 to look mediocre. 4059 02:31:32,880 --> 02:31:34,640 >> But the great thing about this process 4060 02:31:34,640 --> 02:31:36,080 is we're all going to get to sit here 4061 02:31:36,080 --> 02:31:38,399 again in two weeks and look at it. And 4062 02:31:38,399 --> 02:31:40,399 if we all go blleh, 4063 02:31:40,399 --> 02:31:42,080 >> we're going to say, "Guess what? We're 4064 02:31:42,080 --> 02:31:43,840 choosing a red sucker now and we're 4065 02:31:43,840 --> 02:31:45,359 going to just go back." I mean, so 4066 02:31:45,359 --> 02:31:46,720 >> I thought we were not going back and 4067 02:31:46,720 --> 02:31:48,880 talking, 4068 02:31:48,880 --> 02:31:50,240 Jessica. I actually don't believe you 4069 02:31:50,240 --> 02:31:52,479 can have that happen if you don't. the 4070 02:31:52,479 --> 02:31:53,840 way we're structuring this. Correct me 4071 02:31:53,840 --> 02:31:54,720 if I'm wrong. I don't think 4072 02:31:54,720 --> 02:31:55,600 >> they're going to move forward. 4073 02:31:55,600 --> 02:31:56,479 >> I think they're moving forward. 4074 02:31:56,479 --> 02:31:57,920 >> I can't approve that. I can't approve 4075 02:31:57,920 --> 02:31:59,600 something I can't see. 4076 02:31:59,600 --> 02:32:01,120 >> That's I don't think a twoe thing is the 4077 02:32:01,120 --> 02:32:02,720 end of the world to to 4078 02:32:02,720 --> 02:32:04,319 >> It's going to stand for 50 years. I'd 4079 02:32:04,319 --> 02:32:05,280 like to see it again. 4080 02:32:05,280 --> 02:32:07,680 >> It would be all but I don't agree with 4081 02:32:07,680 --> 02:32:08,319 anything you've done. 4082 02:32:08,319 --> 02:32:09,600 >> Can we do one at a time, please? 4083 02:32:09,600 --> 02:32:12,560 >> Sorry. Sorry. I'm trying to think about 4084 02:32:12,560 --> 02:32:14,479 how you can create a motion to continue 4085 02:32:14,479 --> 02:32:16,960 the project moving forward just like 4086 02:32:16,960 --> 02:32:18,720 we're doing it with the landscaping to 4087 02:32:18,720 --> 02:32:21,359 say we're going to approve the final 4088 02:32:21,359 --> 02:32:23,840 planting plan so we actually can do that 4089 02:32:23,840 --> 02:32:26,240 and to say that we can't is is not 4090 02:32:26,240 --> 02:32:28,720 inaccurate. We can bring it forward. We 4091 02:32:28,720 --> 02:32:30,160 can continue to move the project 4092 02:32:30,160 --> 02:32:31,920 forward. We may have to do a change 4093 02:32:31,920 --> 02:32:33,920 order on the brick. That's going to be 4094 02:32:33,920 --> 02:32:36,479 okay. We're all going to be okay. And 4095 02:32:36,479 --> 02:32:38,640 then we give final approval. And if we 4096 02:32:38,640 --> 02:32:40,560 see it all here and it's vanilla and we 4097 02:32:40,560 --> 02:32:43,439 all go blah, you're going to push a 4098 02:32:43,439 --> 02:32:45,280 button and it's going to revert back to 4099 02:32:45,280 --> 02:32:46,880 this plan and we're going to be right 4100 02:32:46,880 --> 02:32:49,840 where we were. We have a cost estimate. 4101 02:32:49,840 --> 02:32:51,920 What? Because your 4102 02:32:51,920 --> 02:32:54,720 >> I know your job pretty much is done and 4103 02:32:54,720 --> 02:32:56,880 you've submitted the finals. Is this 4104 02:32:56,880 --> 02:32:59,040 going to be an additional cost for the 4105 02:32:59,040 --> 02:33:00,479 design mockup? 4106 02:33:00,479 --> 02:33:03,200 >> That 4107 02:33:03,200 --> 02:33:05,439 I'm with the a little bit. uh the the 4108 02:33:05,439 --> 02:33:08,160 exact direction and list of things is a 4109 02:33:08,160 --> 02:33:13,680 little bit chaotic right now. No, I'm I'm with you. Um so depending on the 4110 02:33:13,680 --> 02:33:16,720 severity potentially there's a change. 4111 02:33:16,720 --> 02:33:18,560 Um 4112 02:33:18,560 --> 02:33:21,680 your point Jessica about the landscape 4113 02:33:21,680 --> 02:33:23,359 being a similar you're 100% correct and 4114 02:33:23,359 --> 02:33:24,640 that's a great example. The difference 4115 02:33:24,640 --> 02:33:26,160 being is that the landscape is not being 4116 02:33:26,160 --> 02:33:27,439 bid right now because there's not a 4117 02:33:27,439 --> 02:33:30,640 design or a plan to bid from. 4118 02:33:30,640 --> 02:33:33,680 So in my mind it's very simple. you we 4119 02:33:33,680 --> 02:33:35,520 proceed the way to go forward with 4120 02:33:35,520 --> 02:33:37,359 making changes and not affect 4121 02:33:37,359 --> 02:33:38,880 construction schedule or permitting 4122 02:33:38,880 --> 02:33:40,720 schedule is to do it as a change order 4123 02:33:40,720 --> 02:33:42,080 and you're exposing yourself to the 4124 02:33:42,080 --> 02:33:46,000 risks I explained earlier or we table it 4125 02:33:46,000 --> 02:33:47,920 however you want to call it as a motion 4126 02:33:47,920 --> 02:33:50,560 what have you and we revisit this to get 4127 02:33:50,560 --> 02:33:53,200 approval and delay the bid date which is 4128 02:33:53,200 --> 02:33:55,200 also an option. 4129 02:33:55,200 --> 02:33:57,840 I appreciate that. But just knowing our 4130 02:33:57,840 --> 02:34:00,240 process and how our city runs, the best 4131 02:34:00,240 --> 02:34:02,479 thing to do is move forward on motions 4132 02:34:02,479 --> 02:34:04,800 with goals in mind and then bring it 4133 02:34:04,800 --> 02:34:07,040 back for final review and final approval 4134 02:34:07,040 --> 02:34:08,240 in two weeks. 4135 02:34:08,240 --> 02:34:10,640 >> I would entertain a substitute motion to 4136 02:34:10,640 --> 02:34:12,960 table this until we get a rendering of 4137 02:34:12,960 --> 02:34:15,600 the proposed changes 4138 02:34:15,600 --> 02:34:17,280 on the motion that's on the table. 4139 02:34:17,280 --> 02:34:18,880 >> No, you can make a substitute motion. 4140 02:34:18,880 --> 02:34:20,720 >> Make a substitute. You can have up to 4141 02:34:20,720 --> 02:34:22,880 two motions at a time. You can't have a 4142 02:34:22,880 --> 02:34:24,399 third before you have to vote on. 4143 02:34:24,399 --> 02:34:26,000 >> I'd like to make a substitute motion to 4144 02:34:26,000 --> 02:34:28,319 table this. And when you make a motion 4145 02:34:28,319 --> 02:34:31,120 to table, there's no discussion for two 4146 02:34:31,120 --> 02:34:34,160 weeks so that we can see with the list 4147 02:34:34,160 --> 02:34:36,800 that's been discussed but not visible 4148 02:34:36,800 --> 02:34:40,399 and uh at that point make a final 4149 02:34:40,399 --> 02:34:42,000 decision so you can move forward. 4150 02:34:42,000 --> 02:34:43,520 >> Is there a second on the substitute 4151 02:34:43,520 --> 02:34:44,240 motion? 4152 02:34:44,240 --> 02:34:44,800 >> The table. 4153 02:34:44,800 --> 02:34:46,000 >> I'll second. 4154 02:34:46,000 --> 02:34:48,800 >> Okay, we have a motion to table so we 4155 02:34:48,800 --> 02:34:50,880 have to proceed and vote on that. No 4156 02:34:50,880 --> 02:34:51,680 discussion. 4157 02:34:51,680 --> 02:34:53,439 >> No discussion on tableabling. 4158 02:34:53,439 --> 02:34:54,560 >> Rumble. Yes. 4159 02:34:54,560 --> 02:34:57,600 >> Jessica, no. 4160 02:34:57,600 --> 02:35:00,160 >> Sarah Blackwell. Yes. Chrissy Hanaman. 4161 02:35:00,160 --> 02:35:01,359 Yes. 4162 02:35:01,359 --> 02:35:03,280 >> Can I discuss this before I vote or 4163 02:35:03,280 --> 02:35:04,160 >> No discussion? 4164 02:35:04,160 --> 02:35:06,560 >> Nope. 4165 02:35:06,560 --> 02:35:08,399 >> Can I have it repeated so I understand 4166 02:35:08,399 --> 02:35:11,120 it fully? Is it just a two week 4167 02:35:11,120 --> 02:35:13,439 >> motion is to table for two weeks till 4168 02:35:13,439 --> 02:35:15,920 our next meeting with hopefully we will 4169 02:35:15,920 --> 02:35:17,760 be able to get a rendering of the 4170 02:35:17,760 --> 02:35:19,840 suggested changes back. So, at that 4171 02:35:19,840 --> 02:35:21,120 point, we will vote on it. 4172 02:35:21,120 --> 02:35:22,399 >> So, we can actually see what we're 4173 02:35:22,399 --> 02:35:23,600 voting on. I I agree with 4174 02:35:23,600 --> 02:35:25,200 >> Andrew Young. Yes. 4175 02:35:25,200 --> 02:35:25,680 >> Okay. 4176 02:35:25,680 --> 02:35:27,120 >> May I discuss? 4177 02:35:27,120 --> 02:35:29,200 >> Motion passes. Nope. It's done. We're 4178 02:35:29,200 --> 02:35:29,840 moving on. 4179 02:35:29,840 --> 02:35:30,960 >> Okay. 4180 02:35:30,960 --> 02:35:35,750 Thank you very much, gentlemen. 4181 02:35:35,760 --> 02:35:39,520 » Okay. Resolution R 20 4182 02:35:39,520 --> 02:35:41,280 26-20, 4183 02:35:41,280 --> 02:35:45,830 our tenative budget. 4184 02:35:45,840 --> 02:35:49,670 » Okay. So 4185 02:35:49,680 --> 02:35:51,680 this is our first regular meeting in 4186 02:35:51,680 --> 02:35:54,560 May, which means that tonight is the 4187 02:35:54,560 --> 02:35:58,160 night uh at least by this time. This one 4188 02:35:58,160 --> 02:36:00,720 can't be table things. I'm not sure what 4189 02:36:00,720 --> 02:36:03,600 the implications are. Um that the 4190 02:36:03,600 --> 02:36:06,000 tenative budget needs to be accepted by 4191 02:36:06,000 --> 02:36:07,760 the council. That doesn't mean that it's 4192 02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:09,600 the final budget. It's the tenative 4193 02:36:09,600 --> 02:36:12,080 budget. Um we have several weeks between 4194 02:36:12,080 --> 02:36:15,280 now and our second meeting in June which 4195 02:36:15,280 --> 02:36:17,680 is when the final budget will be on the 4196 02:36:17,680 --> 02:36:21,600 agenda um for adoption. 4197 02:36:21,600 --> 02:36:24,160 Um so 4198 02:36:24,160 --> 02:36:26,560 you have the 4199 02:36:26,560 --> 02:36:29,200 I can't type my password and talk at the 4200 02:36:29,200 --> 02:36:30,960 same time and I knew my computer open. 4201 02:36:30,960 --> 02:36:34,960 Sorry. Um you have the tenative budget 4202 02:36:34,960 --> 02:36:37,920 in front of you. Um a public hearing is 4203 02:36:37,920 --> 02:36:40,000 not required on the tenative budget. 4204 02:36:40,000 --> 02:36:42,319 Some cities do it. Traditionally we have 4205 02:36:42,319 --> 02:36:46,240 not. Um final budget does require a 4206 02:36:46,240 --> 02:36:49,520 public hearing. That would be on that um 4207 02:36:49,520 --> 02:36:52,720 typically that second meeting in June. 4208 02:36:52,720 --> 02:37:00,240 So um just going through a few of the things in this budget. 4209 02:37:00,240 --> 02:37:02,479 Um, 4210 02:37:02,479 --> 02:37:05,280 you know, we show some modest increases 4211 02:37:05,280 --> 02:37:09,520 in revenue for property tax, uh, even 4212 02:37:09,520 --> 02:37:11,600 for sales tax based on the last couple 4213 02:37:11,600 --> 02:37:13,359 years. We've held that flat, but 4214 02:37:13,359 --> 02:37:14,720 increase it just a little bit in this 4215 02:37:14,720 --> 02:37:19,120 budget. Uh, park tax would follow that. 4216 02:37:19,120 --> 02:37:24,160 Um we do have included in this budget um 4217 02:37:24,160 --> 02:37:26,240 as a number kind of a placeholder at 4218 02:37:26,240 --> 02:37:29,200 this point a 5% increase um for 4219 02:37:29,200 --> 02:37:32,000 salaries. Uh we are doing having an 4220 02:37:32,000 --> 02:37:35,040 outside wage study done that should be 4221 02:37:35,040 --> 02:37:37,439 done later this month um where we'll 4222 02:37:37,439 --> 02:37:39,439 provide additional information to the 4223 02:37:39,439 --> 02:37:41,439 council. 4224 02:37:41,439 --> 02:37:46,880 um increase in uh insurance uh medical 4225 02:37:46,880 --> 02:37:48,960 is 7.7% 4226 02:37:48,960 --> 02:37:51,600 dental at 3.9. 4227 02:37:51,600 --> 02:37:53,840 Uh this budget does propose an 4228 02:37:53,840 --> 02:37:56,479 additional staff member uh which I 4229 02:37:56,479 --> 02:37:59,120 discussed a little bit two weeks ago. Um 4230 02:37:59,120 --> 02:38:03,120 the proposal is for hiring an entrylevel 4231 02:38:03,120 --> 02:38:05,840 uh planner that could take care of some 4232 02:38:05,840 --> 02:38:08,880 of the more uh menial um planning and 4233 02:38:08,880 --> 02:38:12,880 zoning tasks. um that would free up our 4234 02:38:12,880 --> 02:38:15,600 uh assistant city administrator to help 4235 02:38:15,600 --> 02:38:18,160 with other things and and learn roles 4236 02:38:18,160 --> 02:38:19,040 and and different things. 4237 02:38:19,040 --> 02:38:20,880 >> Also, the policy writing too is that 4238 02:38:20,880 --> 02:38:22,319 >> Yes. Yep. That would be 4239 02:38:22,319 --> 02:38:24,080 >> that's writing new ordinances. 4240 02:38:24,080 --> 02:38:25,200 >> Yes. 4241 02:38:25,200 --> 02:38:25,920 >> Which we need. 4242 02:38:25,920 --> 02:38:27,840 >> Thank you. 4243 02:38:27,840 --> 02:38:29,600 >> Um 4244 02:38:29,600 --> 02:38:33,120 also in here uh we have 4245 02:38:33,120 --> 02:38:37,760 a 14.4% 4% increase uh in public safety 4246 02:38:37,760 --> 02:38:39,680 which has a little asterisk by it 4247 02:38:39,680 --> 02:38:43,120 because this year we that's the expense 4248 02:38:43,120 --> 02:38:46,640 but there's a credit back of just over 4249 02:38:46,640 --> 02:38:48,640 140,000 that we'll get back from the 4250 02:38:48,640 --> 02:38:51,520 district from fund balance. So that 4251 02:38:51,520 --> 02:38:54,160 increase will be offset this year. Next 4252 02:38:54,160 --> 02:38:56,160 year the full amount would kick in plus 4253 02:38:56,160 --> 02:38:59,280 any additional increases experienced in 4254 02:38:59,280 --> 02:39:02,160 that budget year. 4255 02:39:02,160 --> 02:39:05,840 uh solid waste. Uh we're seeing a 2.7% 4256 02:39:05,840 --> 02:39:07,439 increase. 4257 02:39:07,439 --> 02:39:09,520 As far as projects to highlight some of 4258 02:39:09,520 --> 02:39:13,600 the more major projects, um we take 4259 02:39:13,600 --> 02:39:15,439 maybe the next 30 minutes and talk about 4260 02:39:15,439 --> 02:39:17,600 the fire station. 4261 02:39:17,600 --> 02:39:19,840 No, it's one of the major projects, but 4262 02:39:19,840 --> 02:39:23,359 we won't we'll take 30 seconds. Um 4263 02:39:23,359 --> 02:39:25,439 uh we propose 4264 02:39:25,439 --> 02:39:28,080 we we have currently in this budget year 4265 02:39:28,080 --> 02:39:31,120 uh $3 million budgeted. 4266 02:39:31,120 --> 02:39:34,399 um because we'll just hopefully just 4267 02:39:34,399 --> 02:39:36,399 barely start construction in this budget 4268 02:39:36,399 --> 02:39:38,880 year, that money would carry over plus 4269 02:39:38,880 --> 02:39:42,319 an additional um 500,000 proposed from 4270 02:39:42,319 --> 02:39:44,800 the general fund. 4271 02:39:44,800 --> 02:39:47,200 Um so the the funds that are budgeted 4272 02:39:47,200 --> 02:39:49,439 this year but not spent this year would 4273 02:39:49,439 --> 02:39:51,760 be rolled over and earmarked for the 4274 02:39:51,760 --> 02:39:54,479 next budget year. 4275 02:39:54,479 --> 02:39:57,600 Um and then um depending on where our 4276 02:39:57,600 --> 02:40:00,319 guaranteed maximum price comes in, we 4277 02:40:00,319 --> 02:40:04,319 anticipate another 500,000 coming from 4278 02:40:04,319 --> 02:40:07,359 the fiscal year 28 budget with the 4279 02:40:07,359 --> 02:40:11,040 remaining approximately 2 million. Um we 4280 02:40:11,040 --> 02:40:15,200 would do a a bond for that. 4281 02:40:15,200 --> 02:40:15,760 Um 4282 02:40:15,760 --> 02:40:17,120 >> and what are the payments for the $2 4283 02:40:17,120 --> 02:40:19,520 million bond annually? Can't remember. 4284 02:40:19,520 --> 02:40:24,550 >> It's about roughly 150,000. 4285 02:40:24,560 --> 02:40:26,560 So, so that would tie up some of our 4286 02:40:26,560 --> 02:40:31,359 sales tax revenue for that that time. 4287 02:40:31,359 --> 02:40:34,000 Um, again, if anybody wants to take an 4288 02:40:34,000 --> 02:40:36,080 Amazon sign out and encourage people to 4289 02:40:36,080 --> 02:40:37,359 buy online, 4290 02:40:37,359 --> 02:40:40,160 >> that's a great source of revenue uh for 4291 02:40:40,160 --> 02:40:42,479 our city in our 4292 02:40:42,479 --> 02:40:46,960 u situation being a bedroom community. 4293 02:40:46,960 --> 02:40:50,720 Um other major projects 4294 02:40:50,720 --> 02:40:52,319 um 4295 02:40:52,319 --> 02:40:54,319 there there's some proposed here. We're 4296 02:40:54,319 --> 02:40:56,880 still kind of fleshing out details um as 4297 02:40:56,880 --> 02:40:58,880 you know from our work session with the 4298 02:40:58,880 --> 02:41:03,680 council. Um so what I would propose as 4299 02:41:03,680 --> 02:41:06,640 an option in this budget is to include 4300 02:41:06,640 --> 02:41:08,640 all these projects in the tenative 4301 02:41:08,640 --> 02:41:11,120 budget and then in the next 4302 02:41:11,120 --> 02:41:14,880 >> uh five or six weeks we kind of narrow 4303 02:41:14,880 --> 02:41:18,160 down where we need to um we'll know if 4304 02:41:18,160 --> 02:41:20,479 we have excess funds that will be 4305 02:41:20,479 --> 02:41:21,760 transferred to the capital improvement 4306 02:41:21,760 --> 02:41:25,040 fund from this budget year uh and 4307 02:41:25,040 --> 02:41:27,280 different things like that. So within 4308 02:41:27,280 --> 02:41:29,200 this budget, there's a a comprehensive 4309 02:41:29,200 --> 02:41:32,080 list of projects where where they would 4310 02:41:32,080 --> 02:41:34,240 be funded from. 4311 02:41:34,240 --> 02:41:36,240 And then also with equipment 4312 02:41:36,240 --> 02:41:37,920 replacement, 4313 02:41:37,920 --> 02:41:40,479 um we're proposing 4314 02:41:40,479 --> 02:41:45,280 one new pickup which would uh be used in 4315 02:41:45,280 --> 02:41:48,479 the parks department. It's not replacing 4316 02:41:48,479 --> 02:41:50,960 the oldest pickup, but it's replacing 4317 02:41:50,960 --> 02:41:53,439 the one that's most need of replacement. 4318 02:41:53,439 --> 02:41:55,760 in that department. They all their 4319 02:41:55,760 --> 02:41:59,439 trucks are definitely showing some age. 4320 02:41:59,439 --> 02:42:04,479 Um, also a new lawn mower and then a 4321 02:42:04,479 --> 02:42:08,160 couple of leases for a backhoe and 4322 02:42:08,160 --> 02:42:11,200 uh our Miniac X which we've leased for 4323 02:42:11,200 --> 02:42:14,880 many years. Um, 4324 02:42:14,880 --> 02:42:17,120 those are kind of the the highlights of 4325 02:42:17,120 --> 02:42:19,920 the budget. Um, with this budget, it 4326 02:42:19,920 --> 02:42:23,439 does not propose a tax increase. 4327 02:42:23,439 --> 02:42:26,800 Um, and with that, I would open it up 4328 02:42:26,800 --> 02:42:30,080 for any questions you might have. 4329 02:42:30,080 --> 02:42:31,600 >> Frank, do you want to start off? 4330 02:42:31,600 --> 02:42:35,200 >> Sure. Um, so we we all I think all of us 4331 02:42:35,200 --> 02:42:37,200 had four of us had the opportunity to 4332 02:42:37,200 --> 02:42:39,120 meet with you individually this week and 4333 02:42:39,120 --> 02:42:40,240 this was a little bit later in the 4334 02:42:40,240 --> 02:42:41,600 process because how busy things have 4335 02:42:41,600 --> 02:42:44,000 been. Um but thanks for answering our 4336 02:42:44,000 --> 02:42:46,000 questions during those individual 4337 02:42:46,000 --> 02:42:48,319 meetings and then we just spent as you 4338 02:42:48,319 --> 02:42:51,359 mentioned a two-hour work session 4339 02:42:51,359 --> 02:42:53,359 um to discuss these most of these things 4340 02:42:53,359 --> 02:42:56,080 in detail and understanding that we have 4341 02:42:56,080 --> 02:42:59,520 the opportunity to have additional 4342 02:42:59,520 --> 02:43:01,520 questions and more discussion in the 4343 02:43:01,520 --> 02:43:04,399 public forum. I will defer any more 4344 02:43:04,399 --> 02:43:06,960 questions until that process. I do have 4345 02:43:06,960 --> 02:43:08,319 a recommendation. I'm going to be out of 4346 02:43:08,319 --> 02:43:12,479 town June 1st through the 13th. So any 4347 02:43:12,479 --> 02:43:14,720 budget discussions, 4348 02:43:14,720 --> 02:43:17,120 more additional work sessions if we 4349 02:43:17,120 --> 02:43:18,720 could do that before the before the end 4350 02:43:18,720 --> 02:43:20,560 of the month. So I'm not missing any of 4351 02:43:20,560 --> 02:43:20,960 those. 4352 02:43:20,960 --> 02:43:24,080 >> And if you remember from the 4353 02:43:24,080 --> 02:43:26,800 uh kind of budget schedule from two 4354 02:43:26,800 --> 02:43:30,800 weeks ago, um one last year, we had the 4355 02:43:30,800 --> 02:43:34,319 required public hearing for compensation 4356 02:43:34,319 --> 02:43:37,040 for municipal executive officers on the 4357 02:43:37,040 --> 02:43:38,960 same night that the final budget was 4358 02:43:38,960 --> 02:43:40,640 approved. 4359 02:43:40,640 --> 02:43:42,720 and and there's a request that we do 4360 02:43:42,720 --> 02:43:45,279 that earlier, which is what we proposed 4361 02:43:45,279 --> 02:43:48,080 in that calendar. So, 4362 02:43:48,080 --> 02:43:49,439 I'm just bringing that up. 4363 02:43:49,439 --> 02:43:51,120 >> Yeah, I'll be able to participate in the 4364 02:43:51,120 --> 02:43:53,040 meeting on the 9th, but just 4365 02:43:53,040 --> 02:43:54,479 >> I'll be remote. 4366 02:43:54,479 --> 02:43:56,960 >> But for the the rest of that time, the 4367 02:43:56,960 --> 02:43:58,640 only time I'm going to have cell access 4368 02:43:58,640 --> 02:44:01,200 during those two weeks, it's just that 4369 02:44:01,200 --> 02:44:01,840 >> that day, 4370 02:44:01,840 --> 02:44:04,960 >> that Monday afternoon, yeah, basically 4371 02:44:04,960 --> 02:44:05,600 Tuesday, 4372 02:44:05,600 --> 02:44:07,520 >> 1 through 13th. Didn't you just come 4373 02:44:07,520 --> 02:44:08,800 back from Ireland 4374 02:44:08,800 --> 02:44:10,560 >> and a cruise before that? 4375 02:44:10,560 --> 02:44:13,120 >> Hey man, it's getting good. 4376 02:44:13,120 --> 02:44:14,240 >> Making us feel bad. 4377 02:44:14,240 --> 02:44:17,359 >> It's nice to be retired. 4378 02:44:17,359 --> 02:44:23,269 >> So, I hope that's okay. 4379 02:44:23,279 --> 02:44:24,880 » But thanks for all your work on this. I 4380 02:44:24,880 --> 02:44:27,520 know it's a big big part of the first 4381 02:44:27,520 --> 02:44:28,399 part of the year. 4382 02:44:28,399 --> 02:44:29,760 >> Thank Thanks for your patience and 4383 02:44:29,760 --> 02:44:31,279 thanks for everybody that was able to 4384 02:44:31,279 --> 02:44:34,000 meet with me today. And like I said, it 4385 02:44:34,000 --> 02:44:36,240 won't be the last opportunity to meet 4386 02:44:36,240 --> 02:44:39,840 one-on-one or twoon-one. Um, I would 4387 02:44:39,840 --> 02:44:41,439 have had Kaden in there today, but he 4388 02:44:41,439 --> 02:44:42,640 had some things he had to get done 4389 02:44:42,640 --> 02:44:46,000 today. So, it might be two on one or two 4390 02:44:46,000 --> 02:44:55,590 on two next time hopefully. So, 4391 02:44:55,600 --> 02:44:58,479 » um, just a suggestion that we didn't get 4392 02:44:58,479 --> 02:45:01,920 to go into detail on staffing today, 4393 02:45:01,920 --> 02:45:03,439 which I was hoping we'd be able to do 4394 02:45:03,439 --> 02:45:05,359 that, but 4395 02:45:05,359 --> 02:45:07,680 is is this is my understanding correct 4396 02:45:07,680 --> 02:45:11,120 that the goal of bringing on a full-time 4397 02:45:11,120 --> 02:45:14,720 planner is to um open up some time for 4398 02:45:14,720 --> 02:45:16,800 you and Kaden to be able to work closer 4399 02:45:16,800 --> 02:45:18,240 together as there's 4400 02:45:18,240 --> 02:45:20,080 some handoffs and some training that can 4401 02:45:20,080 --> 02:45:20,720 occur. 4402 02:45:20,720 --> 02:45:21,200 >> Yes. 4403 02:45:21,200 --> 02:45:23,120 >> Once that happens. So, with that in 4404 02:45:23,120 --> 02:45:25,439 mind, I'd like for council to consider 4405 02:45:25,439 --> 02:45:28,479 also adding in a part-time finance 4406 02:45:28,479 --> 02:45:30,720 person because I feel like a city 4407 02:45:30,720 --> 02:45:32,800 administrator spends a lot of time and 4408 02:45:32,800 --> 02:45:35,439 if the goal is to remove some of that 4409 02:45:35,439 --> 02:45:38,319 workload off his plate so that he can 4410 02:45:38,319 --> 02:45:41,680 work with Kaden and take on those um 4411 02:45:41,680 --> 02:45:44,399 basically mentorship more. We also 4412 02:45:44,399 --> 02:45:47,520 consider bringing on either through 4413 02:45:47,520 --> 02:45:49,840 someone I don't know if volunteering is 4414 02:45:49,840 --> 02:45:52,080 actually an option but but I don't think 4415 02:45:52,080 --> 02:45:54,880 there's um fractional finance people 4416 02:45:54,880 --> 02:45:56,720 that Chrissy has talked to me about. 4417 02:45:56,720 --> 02:45:58,720 There's options that we could probably 4418 02:45:58,720 --> 02:46:01,040 offload hours and hours and hours and 4419 02:46:01,040 --> 02:46:02,880 hours of Shane's work onto that. 4420 02:46:02,880 --> 02:46:05,520 >> I think part of it though is um correct 4421 02:46:05,520 --> 02:46:07,279 me if I'm wrong Kaden. Um my 4422 02:46:07,279 --> 02:46:08,800 understanding is that you have expressed 4423 02:46:08,800 --> 02:46:11,120 an interest in wanting to learn about 4424 02:46:11,120 --> 02:46:12,880 the finances and how that works in the 4425 02:46:12,880 --> 02:46:15,920 city. That's something that um Kaden has 4426 02:46:15,920 --> 02:46:17,680 expressed an interest that we did not 4427 02:46:17,680 --> 02:46:19,760 have before and seems like he has an 4428 02:46:19,760 --> 02:46:22,640 aptitude for it. So we could try let's 4429 02:46:22,640 --> 02:46:25,200 start with this planner. 4430 02:46:25,200 --> 02:46:28,160 I appreciate um the suggestion and I 4431 02:46:28,160 --> 02:46:30,319 think if it were you know four months 4432 02:46:30,319 --> 02:46:32,880 ago I'd say definitely but I think where 4433 02:46:32,880 --> 02:46:35,439 we have Kaden now and he seems like 4434 02:46:35,439 --> 02:46:37,520 sorry if I'm I'm going to be glazing you 4435 02:46:37,520 --> 02:46:39,120 as my daughter always says why you got 4436 02:46:39,120 --> 02:46:40,000 to be glazing me mom 4437 02:46:40,000 --> 02:46:40,800 >> my kids are 4438 02:46:40,800 --> 02:46:44,080 >> that you can that you know we have a lot 4439 02:46:44,080 --> 02:46:46,319 of faith in your abilities and I love 4440 02:46:46,319 --> 02:46:48,720 that you want to learn this and so that 4441 02:46:48,720 --> 02:46:51,840 if we can take the city planning side of 4442 02:46:51,840 --> 02:46:54,240 his job out so that they can spend more 4443 02:46:54,240 --> 02:46:56,880 time and that he can learn the financial 4444 02:46:56,880 --> 02:46:59,680 side and the finances of it. And if it 4445 02:46:59,680 --> 02:47:01,439 becomes too much, then yeah, let's come 4446 02:47:01,439 --> 02:47:02,880 back. If we have to do a mid-year 4447 02:47:02,880 --> 02:47:04,720 adjustment, say, "Hey, you know what? 4448 02:47:04,720 --> 02:47:08,240 Even with a new city planner and dealing 4449 02:47:08,240 --> 02:47:09,920 with the finances and breaking that up, 4450 02:47:09,920 --> 02:47:11,680 there's still so much that needs to be 4451 02:47:11,680 --> 02:47:13,840 done. We need a part-time or a 4452 02:47:13,840 --> 02:47:16,479 fractional um finance director. Totally 4453 02:47:16,479 --> 02:47:18,160 open to that. But I would like to start 4454 02:47:18,160 --> 02:47:21,920 with this and then see how it goes in 4455 02:47:21,920 --> 02:47:24,479 working with Kaden and see what those 4456 02:47:24,479 --> 02:47:26,640 new responsibilities look like for him 4457 02:47:26,640 --> 02:47:29,920 and you know kind of leave it up to them 4458 02:47:29,920 --> 02:47:31,680 to see how that works. I feel like 4459 02:47:31,680 --> 02:47:33,760 that's an org chart discussion because 4460 02:47:33,760 --> 02:47:36,319 as a city moving forward, I don't know 4461 02:47:36,319 --> 02:47:38,399 if our city manager should be our 4462 02:47:38,399 --> 02:47:40,560 finance director. If we're looking at 4463 02:47:40,560 --> 02:47:42,560 succession plans and how we want to 4464 02:47:42,560 --> 02:47:45,120 structure our org chart moving forward 4465 02:47:45,120 --> 02:47:48,000 to the best use of the taxpayer dollars, 4466 02:47:48,000 --> 02:47:50,000 um if we're training Kaden anyway in 4467 02:47:50,000 --> 02:47:52,640 finance, why not also include someone 4468 02:47:52,640 --> 02:47:54,319 else so that they can also learn the 4469 02:47:54,319 --> 02:47:56,640 process because we need like a 4470 02:47:56,640 --> 02:47:58,640 redundancy and to expect a city manager 4471 02:47:58,640 --> 02:48:02,960 to be a CFO and a CEO and a COO is I 4472 02:48:02,960 --> 02:48:05,200 feel like not an ideal situation. 4473 02:48:05,200 --> 02:48:08,000 >> No, totally agreed. So yeah, no, I mean 4474 02:48:08,000 --> 02:48:10,399 I would be amendable to that. I mean I 4475 02:48:10,399 --> 02:48:11,760 agree that if you're going to train one 4476 02:48:11,760 --> 02:48:13,920 person, I guess you could train two and 4477 02:48:13,920 --> 02:48:15,920 I do like the idea of redundancy. I 4478 02:48:15,920 --> 02:48:18,000 guess I'm just looking at the hit to our 4479 02:48:18,000 --> 02:48:23,670 budget. 4480 02:48:23,680 --> 02:48:26,640 » Um just want to kind of echo also 4481 02:48:26,640 --> 02:48:28,240 Councilwoman Smu and I I think a 4482 02:48:28,240 --> 02:48:30,319 part-time finance person is a good idea, 4483 02:48:30,319 --> 02:48:33,359 but I just I do appreciate Kaden's 4484 02:48:33,359 --> 02:48:38,080 eagerness to learn. Um, yeah. And then I 4485 02:48:38,080 --> 02:48:39,680 don't really have any other questions 4486 02:48:39,680 --> 02:48:41,439 besides just a little small one. When 4487 02:48:41,439 --> 02:48:44,080 you talked about the the vehicles, do we 4488 02:48:44,080 --> 02:48:46,560 lease the backhoe and things like that? 4489 02:48:46,560 --> 02:48:48,240 That's standard like cities don't 4490 02:48:48,240 --> 02:48:50,080 usually own those like outright or or 4491 02:48:50,080 --> 02:48:52,640 does it just depend on what we can do 4492 02:48:52,640 --> 02:48:54,560 financially and what works for us? 4493 02:48:54,560 --> 02:48:56,479 >> We've done it both ways, but the backho 4494 02:48:56,479 --> 02:48:58,560 we have right now, it costs us on our 4495 02:48:58,560 --> 02:49:02,240 lease uh 6,500 a year. We're still on a 4496 02:49:02,240 --> 02:49:03,840 very old program that's not even 4497 02:49:03,840 --> 02:49:05,760 available anymore because we've been 4498 02:49:05,760 --> 02:49:07,840 willing to keep the backhoe. I think 4499 02:49:07,840 --> 02:49:11,120 we've had it about 10 years now. Um, 4500 02:49:11,120 --> 02:49:13,120 usually they turn over every two or 4501 02:49:13,120 --> 02:49:16,560 three years, but now it's like I think 4502 02:49:16,560 --> 02:49:18,720 it's 17,500 4503 02:49:18,720 --> 02:49:21,840 for the lease program. Um, so we've 4504 02:49:21,840 --> 02:49:25,920 stayed as long as it's been workable and 4505 02:49:25,920 --> 02:49:28,640 it's not in the shop all the time, we've 4506 02:49:28,640 --> 02:49:31,120 opted to keep it. it is something we're 4507 02:49:31,120 --> 02:49:35,359 talking more about. Um, but if we 4508 02:49:35,359 --> 02:49:37,600 decided to go the other direction or if 4509 02:49:37,600 --> 02:49:40,240 the lease program changed, we've been 4510 02:49:40,240 --> 02:49:42,880 budgeting a little higher number in for 4511 02:49:42,880 --> 02:49:46,080 that backhoe. The min is different. It's 4512 02:49:46,080 --> 02:49:49,040 we've only had it for probably, 4513 02:49:49,040 --> 02:49:51,359 you know, we've had a backhoe for 30 4514 02:49:51,359 --> 02:49:53,359 plus years. We've had a min many many 4515 02:49:53,359 --> 02:49:56,240 extra probably 10 and that lease 4516 02:49:56,240 --> 02:49:58,560 program's more 4517 02:49:58,560 --> 02:50:00,560 staying the same. Hasn't changed like 4518 02:50:00,560 --> 02:50:03,200 the backho has but we need both of them 4519 02:50:03,200 --> 02:50:05,920 for everything that we do. 4520 02:50:05,920 --> 02:50:06,479 So, 4521 02:50:06,479 --> 02:50:07,760 >> thank you. I was just curious. 4522 02:50:07,760 --> 02:50:09,520 >> Yeah. 4523 02:50:09,520 --> 02:50:12,319 >> Okay. Thank you. I I do echo um 4524 02:50:12,319 --> 02:50:15,520 councilwoman um Smeuan's comments about 4525 02:50:15,520 --> 02:50:17,520 I would love to see a new org chart 4526 02:50:17,520 --> 02:50:19,279 because I know you also wear the public 4527 02:50:19,279 --> 02:50:22,880 works hat and so um if we're going to 4528 02:50:22,880 --> 02:50:24,399 offload 4529 02:50:24,399 --> 02:50:27,040 more to Kaden does he need to learn 4530 02:50:27,040 --> 02:50:29,359 public works too because you're doing it 4531 02:50:29,359 --> 02:50:31,840 all. So like how is that all going to 4532 02:50:31,840 --> 02:50:34,800 work out? And maybe I remember when we 4533 02:50:34,800 --> 02:50:37,279 saw the org chart the first time I was 4534 02:50:37,279 --> 02:50:38,960 like well who are these other people? 4535 02:50:38,960 --> 02:50:40,160 Well, you're like, "Well, that's me, 4536 02:50:40,160 --> 02:50:42,880 too." So, I would like to um put, you 4537 02:50:42,880 --> 02:50:44,720 know, an understanding of where where 4538 02:50:44,720 --> 02:50:46,080 we're going, even if we're not there 4539 02:50:46,080 --> 02:50:48,319 today with the ORC chart and what the 4540 02:50:48,319 --> 02:50:51,359 staffing maybe we don't have, like um 4541 02:50:51,359 --> 02:50:53,040 our mayor has said, we don't have the 4542 02:50:53,040 --> 02:50:55,439 funds to do everything today, but we 4543 02:50:55,439 --> 02:50:57,120 like what we're shooting for in the long 4544 02:50:57,120 --> 02:50:59,520 run. Um how to get all our bases 4545 02:50:59,520 --> 02:51:01,680 covered, produce some redundancies that 4546 02:51:01,680 --> 02:51:05,120 councilwoman Sme has talked about. I do 4547 02:51:05,120 --> 02:51:07,920 want to throw out um a side comment. 4548 02:51:07,920 --> 02:51:10,880 Prior to Ryan's departure, we had um we 4549 02:51:10,880 --> 02:51:12,960 have a proposal from a specialist in 4550 02:51:12,960 --> 02:51:14,960 finance from the Utah League of City of 4551 02:51:14,960 --> 02:51:17,520 Towns that has a different approach to 4552 02:51:17,520 --> 02:51:19,920 budgeting maybe than what we've seen. 4553 02:51:19,920 --> 02:51:21,600 She works very closely with Dave 4554 02:51:21,600 --> 02:51:24,560 Sanderson. It's Carrie Nala. 4555 02:51:24,560 --> 02:51:28,800 >> McNamera something like that. Very 4556 02:51:28,800 --> 02:51:29,680 close. 4557 02:51:29,680 --> 02:51:31,920 >> It's it's it's not a name that I have 4558 02:51:31,920 --> 02:51:33,680 memorized her. I know her first name is 4559 02:51:33,680 --> 02:51:37,040 Carrie. So anyways, maybe um not this 4560 02:51:37,040 --> 02:51:38,560 first go around because we don't have 4561 02:51:38,560 --> 02:51:41,439 time given our short time frame, but 4562 02:51:41,439 --> 02:51:44,319 maybe uh to to you like lean on her to 4563 02:51:44,319 --> 02:51:46,720 some degree. Maybe we don't hire someone 4564 02:51:46,720 --> 02:51:49,200 per se, but just use like a contract 4565 02:51:49,200 --> 02:51:53,600 services so that um there's more uh 4566 02:51:53,600 --> 02:51:57,120 maybe a well a different approach. And 4567 02:51:57,120 --> 02:51:59,040 in fact, I was thinking we've got kind 4568 02:51:59,040 --> 02:52:00,560 of stalled on this whole project 4569 02:52:00,560 --> 02:52:02,960 analysis that maybe she has some good 4570 02:52:02,960 --> 02:52:04,800 ideas about how to like get feedback 4571 02:52:04,800 --> 02:52:06,399 when we're talking about projects. I'm 4572 02:52:06,399 --> 02:52:08,080 not sure, but somebody who has 4573 02:52:08,080 --> 02:52:09,600 experience maybe who's done it a 4574 02:52:09,600 --> 02:52:13,359 different way um would be helpful. Um I 4575 02:52:13,359 --> 02:52:15,439 really did appreciate the fund balance 4576 02:52:15,439 --> 02:52:17,520 analysis. That's something I've been 4577 02:52:17,520 --> 02:52:19,279 trying to wrap my head around for a 4578 02:52:19,279 --> 02:52:21,359 number of years. And the discussion 4579 02:52:21,359 --> 02:52:23,920 today we had was exactly what I was 4580 02:52:23,920 --> 02:52:26,720 looking for and I really um appreciate 4581 02:52:26,720 --> 02:52:28,960 the time and effort and the simple 4582 02:52:28,960 --> 02:52:31,680 presentation. It was easy to follow. Um, 4583 02:52:31,680 --> 02:52:33,840 I just really appreciated that and it 4584 02:52:33,840 --> 02:52:36,960 gives me, you know, comfort, um, that we 4585 02:52:36,960 --> 02:52:40,000 have fund balances that make us look 4586 02:52:40,000 --> 02:52:42,560 financially strong, but I also know it 4587 02:52:42,560 --> 02:52:45,760 takes a priority of a council to keep 4588 02:52:45,760 --> 02:52:47,920 them there because it's really easy to 4589 02:52:47,920 --> 02:52:50,080 dig into the piggy bank or, you know, 4590 02:52:50,080 --> 02:52:53,120 uh, when we feel like, um, we have wants 4591 02:52:53,120 --> 02:52:55,600 that exceed our our fund, like we're 4592 02:52:55,600 --> 02:52:57,520 trying to balance wants and needs. This 4593 02:52:57,520 --> 02:53:00,160 is an easy place to go to. The reason we 4594 02:53:00,160 --> 02:53:02,080 have these balances is because we have 4595 02:53:02,080 --> 02:53:04,720 not habitually turned to fund balances. 4596 02:53:04,720 --> 02:53:06,640 Um we've just sta lived within our 4597 02:53:06,640 --> 02:53:08,880 means. So um it's just good to have 4598 02:53:08,880 --> 02:53:11,040 that. Not that they're not useful. I I 4599 02:53:11,040 --> 02:53:13,600 know being on the um public service. I 4600 02:53:13,600 --> 02:53:16,160 mean the Lone Peak publica safety 4601 02:53:16,160 --> 02:53:18,240 district. We've talked a lot about fan 4602 02:53:18,240 --> 02:53:20,080 balance. They bought equipment with it. 4603 02:53:20,080 --> 02:53:22,399 They've helped us with our change in the 4604 02:53:22,399 --> 02:53:24,640 I in the interlocal agreement. So they 4605 02:53:24,640 --> 02:53:26,560 do have a purpose. The fund balances 4606 02:53:26,560 --> 02:53:29,279 have a purpose. they're not untouchable. 4607 02:53:29,279 --> 02:53:30,960 And I I'm just grateful that we've 4608 02:53:30,960 --> 02:53:32,640 opened that discussion. That has been a 4609 02:53:32,640 --> 02:53:34,880 huge step forward in my mind to 4610 02:53:34,880 --> 02:53:37,279 understand the financial our all of our 4611 02:53:37,279 --> 02:53:40,720 resources. Um with that said, I feel 4612 02:53:40,720 --> 02:53:42,800 like um just so you're you guys are 4613 02:53:42,800 --> 02:53:46,720 ready, um our last comment in our uh 4614 02:53:46,720 --> 02:53:48,880 work session was since we haven't 4615 02:53:48,880 --> 02:53:50,560 identified or prioritized the projects 4616 02:53:50,560 --> 02:53:52,720 that are highlighted in yellow, if you 4617 02:53:52,720 --> 02:53:54,800 go to the next page, Kaden, that's 4618 02:53:54,800 --> 02:53:56,560 colored. It's like 4619 02:53:56,560 --> 02:53:58,319 >> it's way down there. I think 4620 02:53:58,319 --> 02:54:01,680 >> I believe it's 290 page 290. 4621 02:54:01,680 --> 02:54:03,600 >> I propose Shane mentioned that we don't 4622 02:54:03,600 --> 02:54:05,680 have to have a balanced budget as 4623 02:54:05,680 --> 02:54:08,399 tenative, but we do when we approve the 4624 02:54:08,399 --> 02:54:10,720 final. So, we we work through the 4625 02:54:10,720 --> 02:54:13,279 process um in the interim time to 4626 02:54:13,279 --> 02:54:14,880 identify the projects, whether we get 4627 02:54:14,880 --> 02:54:17,840 another process ideas from um Kerry or a 4628 02:54:17,840 --> 02:54:20,000 different city to sort of identify the 4629 02:54:20,000 --> 02:54:23,279 best way to narrow these down. Um, 4630 02:54:23,279 --> 02:54:25,920 that's where I'm open to discussion and 4631 02:54:25,920 --> 02:54:29,279 maybe you might not be there, Brent. But 4632 02:54:29,279 --> 02:54:31,359 we do need to move forward and have a 4633 02:54:31,359 --> 02:54:33,200 final budget by the end of the month in 4634 02:54:33,200 --> 02:54:35,439 June. But I would like to propose that 4635 02:54:35,439 --> 02:54:37,680 we include all of these in our motion 4636 02:54:37,680 --> 02:54:40,399 today. And we that means that we may not 4637 02:54:40,399 --> 02:54:44,160 have be in in balance or we may not what 4638 02:54:44,160 --> 02:54:45,359 is that word 4639 02:54:45,359 --> 02:54:46,000 >> called? 4640 02:54:46,000 --> 02:54:47,680 >> And it it could still be balanced. We 4641 02:54:47,680 --> 02:54:50,000 could just take the those other few 4642 02:54:50,000 --> 02:54:52,399 projects that aren't currently included. 4643 02:54:52,399 --> 02:54:54,160 We can just allocate funds from the 4644 02:54:54,160 --> 02:54:56,000 capital improvement fund temporary. 4645 02:54:56,000 --> 02:54:57,760 >> See how easy that is you guys? In one 4646 02:54:57,760 --> 02:54:59,760 little one sentence, we could just spend 4647 02:54:59,760 --> 02:55:02,080 the fund balance. So 4648 02:55:02,080 --> 02:55:05,279 >> anyways, um I don't propose that we we 4649 02:55:05,279 --> 02:55:07,279 just because we haven't had time that we 4650 02:55:07,279 --> 02:55:09,439 just do it all anyways, but we take the 4651 02:55:09,439 --> 02:55:11,120 time to figure out which ones are really 4652 02:55:11,120 --> 02:55:13,200 the priority of the council and then 4653 02:55:13,200 --> 02:55:15,200 revisit this sometime between now and 4654 02:55:15,200 --> 02:55:16,800 the final. I don't want to be talking 4655 02:55:16,800 --> 02:55:18,160 about this at the final. 4656 02:55:18,160 --> 02:55:20,720 >> So, we have we have 4657 02:55:20,720 --> 02:55:22,960 almost three weeks. 4658 02:55:22,960 --> 02:55:25,279 I don't know if we can wait to get some 4659 02:55:25,279 --> 02:55:27,520 kind of new procedure from somebody else 4660 02:55:27,520 --> 02:55:30,399 to make her decisions to delay it until 4661 02:55:30,399 --> 02:55:32,080 June when I'm gone. Why can't we 4662 02:55:32,080 --> 02:55:33,680 >> She's talking about doing it right away. 4663 02:55:33,680 --> 02:55:35,120 >> Oh, she said I might not be here because 4664 02:55:35,120 --> 02:55:37,040 she has to look at some new techniques 4665 02:55:37,040 --> 02:55:38,240 that or some new 4666 02:55:38,240 --> 02:55:39,680 >> No, I think she's You were saying moving 4667 02:55:39,680 --> 02:55:40,560 forward, right? 4668 02:55:40,560 --> 02:55:42,000 >> Ideally, we could talk about it in two 4669 02:55:42,000 --> 02:55:43,680 weeks, right? And you will be here in 4670 02:55:43,680 --> 02:55:44,720 two weeks. 4671 02:55:44,720 --> 02:55:47,040 >> Yeah. I'm just saying we need to I'm 4672 02:55:47,040 --> 02:55:48,960 saying let's put it all in the tentative 4673 02:55:48,960 --> 02:55:50,479 knowing it's not going to be all there 4674 02:55:50,479 --> 02:55:51,359 in the final. That's 4675 02:55:51,359 --> 02:55:52,800 >> I just I was just concerned that you 4676 02:55:52,800 --> 02:55:54,160 said you might not be here because we 4677 02:55:54,160 --> 02:55:55,920 want to consult with someone else and 4678 02:55:55,920 --> 02:55:56,880 maybe come up with a new 4679 02:55:56,880 --> 02:55:58,240 >> Our goal is to always have your hair 4680 02:55:58,240 --> 02:55:59,439 brushed because you're 4681 02:55:59,439 --> 02:56:01,359 >> a new way to prioritize. Maybe for next 4682 02:56:01,359 --> 02:56:02,800 year we can find a new way to prior I 4683 02:56:02,800 --> 02:56:04,000 think we're too far into the system. 4684 02:56:04,000 --> 02:56:05,680 >> Okay, that's the end of my comments. 4685 02:56:05,680 --> 02:56:06,000 >> Okay, 4686 02:56:06,000 --> 02:56:07,920 >> does that make sense? Do you 4687 02:56:07,920 --> 02:56:08,960 >> have anything you wanted to add? And 4688 02:56:08,960 --> 02:56:11,680 let's move on to a motion. 4689 02:56:11,680 --> 02:56:13,840 >> Mhm. Uh yeah, thanks. This is just 4690 02:56:13,840 --> 02:56:15,600 tentative. So, we're okay. This is 4691 02:56:15,600 --> 02:56:17,680 tentative. Um, no, I love Alpine so 4692 02:56:17,680 --> 02:56:19,200 much. I'm becoming very protective of 4693 02:56:19,200 --> 02:56:20,479 it. I always have been. I just didn't 4694 02:56:20,479 --> 02:56:21,760 realize it. 4695 02:56:21,760 --> 02:56:23,760 >> So, um, when I go through these, these 4696 02:56:23,760 --> 02:56:25,520 are really, uh, these are really 4697 02:56:25,520 --> 02:56:26,479 important. This is like the biggest 4698 02:56:26,479 --> 02:56:28,319 decision we're going to make. Um, a 4699 02:56:28,319 --> 02:56:30,000 couple I thank you for all the time for 4700 02:56:30,000 --> 02:56:32,080 all the questions you answered. Just a 4701 02:56:32,080 --> 02:56:33,600 couple things that we weren't able to go 4702 02:56:33,600 --> 02:56:35,040 over that I think will be helpful. The 4703 02:56:35,040 --> 02:56:36,880 biggest item on here is the $9 million 4704 02:56:36,880 --> 02:56:39,040 bond. I think we start big, we go down. 4705 02:56:39,040 --> 02:56:40,560 Just so we're discussing already because 4706 02:56:40,560 --> 02:56:42,240 we have this time now. This the $9 4707 02:56:42,240 --> 02:56:46,800 million bond is 25 years. Uh it's a 600k 4708 02:56:46,800 --> 02:56:49,120 a year. This is for water. We we need 4709 02:56:49,120 --> 02:56:51,279 water support. And I'm going to offer 4710 02:56:51,279 --> 02:56:54,399 some recommendations, but it's 600k a 4711 02:56:54,399 --> 02:56:58,880 year for 25 years on Alpine folks. Um 4712 02:56:58,880 --> 02:57:01,200 that that's it's about 4.8%. So if 4713 02:57:01,200 --> 02:57:02,319 you're comparing it to like when you get 4714 02:57:02,319 --> 02:57:04,560 mortgages or car loans, that means we'll 4715 02:57:04,560 --> 02:57:07,920 be paying $6 million on this bond. So, 4716 02:57:07,920 --> 02:57:10,000 this is a cost because this is what I 4717 02:57:10,000 --> 02:57:11,439 look at when I'm buying cars or houses 4718 02:57:11,439 --> 02:57:13,760 or whatever. I'm like, what what am I 4719 02:57:13,760 --> 02:57:14,800 actually paying for this? And you 4720 02:57:14,800 --> 02:57:17,200 actually add up the interest and the the 4721 02:57:17,200 --> 02:57:20,080 principal. And we're paying the 9 4722 02:57:20,080 --> 02:57:25,040 million plus 6 million. So, that's what that's what it costs to rent this 4723 02:57:25,040 --> 02:57:28,960 well from Zion's Bank for 25 years until 4724 02:57:28,960 --> 02:57:30,800 we own it. Just just to keep the 4725 02:57:30,800 --> 02:57:32,399 numbers, okay, because this is what 4726 02:57:32,399 --> 02:57:34,880 we're signing up for. My family always 4727 02:57:34,880 --> 02:57:36,479 looks at me and they say, "Andrew or 4728 02:57:36,479 --> 02:57:38,640 dad, you're not a slave." And I say, 4729 02:57:38,640 --> 02:57:40,319 "Every time we get a mortgage, we become 4730 02:57:40,319 --> 02:57:42,800 a slave." So that's why we don't do 4731 02:57:42,800 --> 02:57:45,840 them. Okay? And so, uh, anyways, it 4732 02:57:45,840 --> 02:57:48,640 really we we trade freedom for ease. So, 4733 02:57:48,640 --> 02:57:49,760 I just want you to know that. That's the 4734 02:57:49,760 --> 02:57:51,120 $9 million bond. That is the biggest 4735 02:57:51,120 --> 02:57:54,319 item on this entire budget for a well 4736 02:57:54,319 --> 02:57:56,479 and booster pumps, which we all are 4737 02:57:56,479 --> 02:57:58,720 trying to do to save our pressurized 4738 02:57:58,720 --> 02:58:01,520 irrigation system from the stresses that 4739 02:58:01,520 --> 02:58:04,240 it's in. And so, just just weigh that 4740 02:58:04,240 --> 02:58:05,439 out when you're going to bed at night 4741 02:58:05,439 --> 02:58:08,000 what we're thinking about. My only hope 4742 02:58:08,000 --> 02:58:11,200 uh well wait till Shane my only 4743 02:58:11,200 --> 02:58:13,520 recommendation um Shane as you're 4744 02:58:13,520 --> 02:58:15,040 putting this together with staff my only 4745 02:58:15,040 --> 02:58:17,680 recommendation is if you can balance 4746 02:58:17,680 --> 02:58:20,080 that where we take some money so we're 4747 02:58:20,080 --> 02:58:24,160 not um so we're not indebting so much. 4748 02:58:24,160 --> 02:58:26,000 if we can take some money, maybe do a 4749 02:58:26,000 --> 02:58:28,240 half where we're only doing 4.5. If we 4750 02:58:28,240 --> 02:58:30,160 can spread it over a years, and then as 4751 02:58:30,160 --> 02:58:31,840 you know that we went over some of the 4752 02:58:31,840 --> 02:58:34,080 ideas of doing a program potentially 4753 02:58:34,080 --> 02:58:35,279 where some of the money could go to 4754 02:58:35,279 --> 02:58:36,319 residents where they could have their 4755 02:58:36,319 --> 02:58:38,800 own water storage to reduce their rates. 4756 02:58:38,800 --> 02:58:41,520 That's just an idea. But I also loved 4757 02:58:41,520 --> 02:58:43,120 what what this will result in. So, this 4758 02:58:43,120 --> 02:58:44,399 is what we're doing, but what it will 4759 02:58:44,399 --> 02:58:46,399 result in, just so we know, is raised 4760 02:58:46,399 --> 02:58:50,000 pressurized irrigation rates. That's what it or property taxes. We're 4761 02:58:50,000 --> 02:58:52,240 not going to do property taxes. So, I'm 4762 02:58:52,240 --> 02:58:54,720 not uh So, it's going to raise 4763 02:58:54,720 --> 02:58:57,600 everyone's water rate. So, so the ask I 4764 02:58:57,600 --> 02:58:59,520 have is and I think Shane's totally on 4765 02:58:59,520 --> 02:59:02,800 board. I I think is to let us know what 4766 02:59:02,800 --> 02:59:04,479 that will do to our water rate. So, 4767 02:59:04,479 --> 02:59:06,080 taking out that nine so so we can 4768 02:59:06,080 --> 02:59:07,840 explain to the residents. Look, we're 4769 02:59:07,840 --> 02:59:09,680 doing a $9 million bond for this year. 4770 02:59:09,680 --> 02:59:11,040 >> That's the study that we'll be getting 4771 02:59:11,040 --> 02:59:13,600 in a month. Is that what you said? 4772 02:59:13,600 --> 02:59:14,720 >> Hopefully within that time. 4773 02:59:14,720 --> 02:59:16,880 >> So, we can express on them. Let's make 4774 02:59:16,880 --> 02:59:19,760 sure I just 4775 02:59:19,760 --> 02:59:22,000 pause for a second. It's 9:00. So, we do 4776 02:59:22,000 --> 02:59:23,279 need to make a motion to extend the 4777 02:59:23,279 --> 02:59:24,319 meeting. 4778 02:59:24,319 --> 02:59:26,080 >> I was watching that and that's they're 4779 02:59:26,080 --> 02:59:26,960 not synced. 4780 02:59:26,960 --> 02:59:27,920 >> Well, my my 4781 02:59:27,920 --> 02:59:29,120 >> Okay. GPS. 4782 02:59:29,120 --> 02:59:30,800 >> Did you want to make a motion, Brett? 4783 02:59:30,800 --> 02:59:32,160 >> Well, yes. I would like to make a 4784 02:59:32,160 --> 02:59:33,920 motion. Not Not on this not on the 4785 02:59:33,920 --> 02:59:35,760 budget. Oh, for the Okay. Sorry. 4786 02:59:35,760 --> 02:59:37,680 >> Extend the meeting. I would like to make 4787 02:59:37,680 --> 02:59:40,800 a motion to extend the meeting past our 4788 02:59:40,800 --> 02:59:43,359 900 p.m. deadline 4789 02:59:43,359 --> 02:59:45,439 to the extent that we finish this 4790 02:59:45,439 --> 02:59:47,600 discussion about the tenative budget and 4791 02:59:47,600 --> 02:59:50,479 approve it under state law and postpone 4792 02:59:50,479 --> 02:59:51,760 the review of the main street and 4793 02:59:51,760 --> 02:59:54,160 gateway quarter master plan part two to 4794 02:59:54,160 --> 02:59:56,240 another meeting and following staff 4795 02:59:56,240 --> 02:59:58,160 reports and council communication that 4796 02:59:58,160 --> 02:59:59,920 we 4797 02:59:59,920 --> 03:00:06,230 um move into close meeting. 4798 03:00:06,240 --> 03:00:12,150 Oh, 4799 03:00:12,160 --> 03:00:14,080 » I was going to make it up, but I'll read 4800 03:00:14,080 --> 03:00:16,560 it verbatim. 4801 03:00:16,560 --> 03:00:20,309 >> Oh, 4802 03:00:20,319 --> 03:00:21,200 » all right. 4803 03:00:21,200 --> 03:00:23,200 >> That that we move into closed meeting 4804 03:00:23,200 --> 03:00:24,479 that will take place in the conference 4805 03:00:24,479 --> 03:00:27,840 room behind the city council room to 4806 03:00:27,840 --> 03:00:30,880 discuss property acquisition 4807 03:00:30,880 --> 03:00:31,600 >> or dispos. 4808 03:00:31,600 --> 03:00:32,319 >> I would say 4809 03:00:32,319 --> 03:00:35,840 >> or what? I think we need to go into that 4810 03:00:35,840 --> 03:00:38,479 before um staff reports and council 4811 03:00:38,479 --> 03:00:40,720 communications to allow Mr. Doxy to go. 4812 03:00:40,720 --> 03:00:42,800 >> Oh, okay. So, we'll go into close 4813 03:00:42,800 --> 03:00:45,200 meeting to discuss property acquisition 4814 03:00:45,200 --> 03:00:48,319 or disposition and then following that 4815 03:00:48,319 --> 03:00:51,600 we'll uh come back and finish with staff 4816 03:00:51,600 --> 03:00:53,920 reports, council communications. Do I 4817 03:00:53,920 --> 03:00:55,200 adjourn the meeting after that or do we 4818 03:00:55,200 --> 03:00:55,920 have to do it December? 4819 03:00:55,920 --> 03:00:57,279 >> Well, you'll because after council 4820 03:00:57,279 --> 03:00:58,640 communications, you guys move to 4821 03:00:58,640 --> 03:00:59,040 adjourn. 4822 03:00:59,040 --> 03:00:59,439 >> That's it. 4823 03:00:59,439 --> 03:01:00,479 >> Okay. Is there a second? 4824 03:01:00,479 --> 03:01:01,600 >> I second. 4825 03:01:01,600 --> 03:01:03,439 >> It's been moved by Councilman Remler. 4826 03:01:03,439 --> 03:01:05,600 Second by Councilman 4827 03:01:05,600 --> 03:01:06,000 >> Young. 4828 03:01:06,000 --> 03:01:07,680 I was going to say Councilman 4829 03:01:07,680 --> 03:01:09,279 Andrew. 4830 03:01:09,279 --> 03:01:10,479 >> That works too. 4831 03:01:10,479 --> 03:01:12,240 >> Okay. Um roll call vote. 4832 03:01:12,240 --> 03:01:13,040 >> Brenley. Yes. 4833 03:01:13,040 --> 03:01:15,040 >> Jessica Simone. Yes. Sarah Blackwell. 4834 03:01:15,040 --> 03:01:15,520 Yes. 4835 03:01:15,520 --> 03:01:16,479 >> Chrisman, yes. 4836 03:01:16,479 --> 03:01:18,160 >> Andrew Young, yes. 4837 03:01:18,160 --> 03:01:19,840 >> Okay. 4838 03:01:19,840 --> 03:01:20,880 >> Go ahead. Andrew. 4839 03:01:20,880 --> 03:01:22,640 >> Very quickly. Very quickly. The other 4840 03:01:22,640 --> 03:01:25,359 big item is a $2 million bond. It's 20 4841 03:01:25,359 --> 03:01:28,160 years. It would be a 150k. Thank you. 4842 03:01:28,160 --> 03:01:28,640 all. 4843 03:01:28,640 --> 03:01:34,309 >> Thank you guys. 4844 03:01:34,319 --> 03:01:36,960 Uh the 2 million bond for the fire 4845 03:01:36,960 --> 03:01:40,240 department would be a 20-year 150k a 4846 03:01:40,240 --> 03:01:43,760 year. So we're essentially debing 750k a 4847 03:01:43,760 --> 03:01:47,120 year. That's about a 4.2 interest and 4848 03:01:47,120 --> 03:01:49,840 that would be $1 million of interest. So 4849 03:01:49,840 --> 03:01:53,439 we're borrowing two, paying back three. 4850 03:01:53,439 --> 03:01:57,200 Um and so look, I I know we need this 4851 03:01:57,200 --> 03:02:00,080 stuff. These are big numbers. I would 4852 03:02:00,080 --> 03:02:02,720 love to have time with Zans to see if we 4853 03:02:02,720 --> 03:02:05,200 can get that rate down. I was thinking 4854 03:02:05,200 --> 03:02:07,200 today after we talked about 4855 03:02:07,200 --> 03:02:10,000 conversations potentially of when we do 4856 03:02:10,000 --> 03:02:12,640 a contract, if we go forward with this, 4857 03:02:12,640 --> 03:02:15,520 could we put in stipulations like over 4858 03:02:15,520 --> 03:02:18,640 the next couple years, we are able to do 4859 03:02:18,640 --> 03:02:21,760 a refinance for free if rates drop or 4860 03:02:21,760 --> 03:02:24,000 just just something where we're we we 4861 03:02:24,000 --> 03:02:26,880 have as much uh ability to um make this 4862 03:02:26,880 --> 03:02:30,080 blow as as tolerable as possible. So 4863 03:02:30,080 --> 03:02:32,560 maybe buy down the rate a little. Um 4864 03:02:32,560 --> 03:02:35,439 maybe uh piece this out over a couple 4865 03:02:35,439 --> 03:02:36,720 years. I know it gets more expensive 4866 03:02:36,720 --> 03:02:38,080 over years. Anyways, those are just the 4867 03:02:38,080 --> 03:02:40,880 ideas. The only other thing besides that 4868 03:02:40,880 --> 03:02:42,479 um because I'm fully in agreement with 4869 03:02:42,479 --> 03:02:44,479 how you want this motion to go. Just 4870 03:02:44,479 --> 03:02:45,600 include it and then we're going to sort 4871 03:02:45,600 --> 03:02:47,120 it out over this next three weeks and 4872 03:02:47,120 --> 03:02:48,800 finalize it. I think that's a great way 4873 03:02:48,800 --> 03:02:50,960 to go about it is just two things. I 4874 03:02:50,960 --> 03:02:53,520 love the idea of the pri priority list. 4875 03:02:53,520 --> 03:02:55,920 I think if we create a priority list, 4876 03:02:55,920 --> 03:02:57,760 however we do it, and Chrissy, we all 4877 03:02:57,760 --> 03:02:59,760 come to terms on which ones we like, it 4878 03:02:59,760 --> 03:03:01,040 it'll be a little messy, but I think we 4879 03:03:01,040 --> 03:03:03,520 can get there. Then we'll all know, oh, 4880 03:03:03,520 --> 03:03:05,680 well, this is top priority. Let's do it. 4881 03:03:05,680 --> 03:03:07,279 Versus, you might you might really want 4882 03:03:07,279 --> 03:03:08,800 something. You might really have a deep 4883 03:03:08,800 --> 03:03:11,840 priority. And what happens is it just 4884 03:03:11,840 --> 03:03:14,000 kind of gets, you know, uh, 4885 03:03:14,000 --> 03:03:16,000 deprioritized over time and it's not a 4886 03:03:16,000 --> 03:03:17,600 big deal. So, I think if we can 4887 03:03:17,600 --> 03:03:19,200 prioritize this list, we'll get even 4888 03:03:19,200 --> 03:03:21,760 better results over the next year um 4889 03:03:21,760 --> 03:03:23,439 versus trying to do them all at once. 4890 03:03:23,439 --> 03:03:25,520 So, I like the priority list. The only 4891 03:03:25,520 --> 03:03:27,279 item I'll bring up, and I would not 4892 03:03:27,279 --> 03:03:28,479 bring this up because I think most 4893 03:03:28,479 --> 03:03:30,720 people are sleeping anyways, and that is 4894 03:03:30,720 --> 03:03:32,720 the fire budget. And the only reason I 4895 03:03:32,720 --> 03:03:35,279 bring that up, I maybe chief can listen. 4896 03:03:35,279 --> 03:03:38,479 It's 50K for fire mitigation. And the 4897 03:03:38,479 --> 03:03:39,840 only reason I'm bringing this up is 4898 03:03:39,840 --> 03:03:42,240 because after June, this essentially 4899 03:03:42,240 --> 03:03:45,359 becomes useless. not not useless over 4900 03:03:45,359 --> 03:03:47,200 the years, but useless for our fire 4901 03:03:47,200 --> 03:03:49,600 season coming up in July and August when 4902 03:03:49,600 --> 03:03:50,720 they don't want us to do fire 4903 03:03:50,720 --> 03:03:53,600 mitigation. So, my hope I can forward 4904 03:03:53,600 --> 03:03:56,560 emails and talk offline. But my hope is 4905 03:03:56,560 --> 03:03:58,319 that if we could get access to some of 4906 03:03:58,319 --> 03:04:00,240 this money as soon as possible, we 4907 03:04:00,240 --> 03:04:02,000 really only have a month before 4908 03:04:02,000 --> 03:04:03,439 potentially one of the worst fire 4909 03:04:03,439 --> 03:04:06,000 seasons we might ever have, and that is 4910 03:04:06,000 --> 03:04:08,560 July and August, uh, given our water 4911 03:04:08,560 --> 03:04:10,800 year. And they don't like us to do fire 4912 03:04:10,800 --> 03:04:12,080 mitigation. Is this correct? They don't 4913 03:04:12,080 --> 03:04:13,680 like us to do fire mitigation in the hot 4914 03:04:13,680 --> 03:04:16,000 months because if we do it in the hot 4915 03:04:16,000 --> 03:04:17,840 months, we pose as much of a risk of 4916 03:04:17,840 --> 03:04:20,319 starting a fire. So, our window is 4917 03:04:20,319 --> 03:04:22,880 closing very quickly and if we end up in 4918 03:04:22,880 --> 03:04:25,760 a hot August with winds and the low 4919 03:04:25,760 --> 03:04:28,880 rains, we we and and the and the tinder 4920 03:04:28,880 --> 03:04:30,560 bush that has grown over the last really 4921 03:04:30,560 --> 03:04:33,200 wet years, we've got ourselves in a 4922 03:04:33,200 --> 03:04:35,359 potentially a very difficult predicament 4923 03:04:35,359 --> 03:04:38,000 where when now we go into crisis control 4924 03:04:38,000 --> 03:04:40,640 if we if we hit one of these fires. Uh, 4925 03:04:40,640 --> 03:04:43,200 sorry. Do you want a question? Am I 4926 03:04:43,200 --> 03:04:44,399 correct in thinking though that that 4927 03:04:44,399 --> 03:04:46,319 fire mitigation budget would be for the 4928 03:04:46,319 --> 03:04:49,040 next budget year? So, are you asking 4929 03:04:49,040 --> 03:04:50,000 maybe if there's a little 4930 03:04:50,000 --> 03:04:51,359 >> I'm bringing it up for two reason. I'm 4931 03:04:51,359 --> 03:04:52,880 bringing up for two reason. If there's 4932 03:04:52,880 --> 03:04:54,399 any way we can 4933 03:04:54,399 --> 03:04:55,920 >> I don't know if there's e bring some of 4934 03:04:55,920 --> 03:04:59,279 it a little bit earlier uh or prioritize 4935 03:04:59,279 --> 03:05:01,600 it pretty quick as a separate item just 4936 03:05:01,600 --> 03:05:05,760 because our window closes in Julyish. 4937 03:05:05,760 --> 03:05:07,600 And I don't I know that's not in this 4938 03:05:07,600 --> 03:05:09,359 main budget, but the only reason I bring 4939 03:05:09,359 --> 03:05:11,040 it up because residents started calling 4940 03:05:11,040 --> 03:05:13,439 me and saying, "Look, I need this done." 4941 03:05:13,439 --> 03:05:14,720 And I was like, "Oh my gosh, you're 4942 03:05:14,720 --> 03:05:18,479 right. We our window closes in July for 4943 03:05:18,479 --> 03:05:20,080 >> Would that be an action item just to 4944 03:05:20,080 --> 03:05:21,840 bring that forward?" Is that something? 4945 03:05:21,840 --> 03:05:23,359 >> We don't need to move it to discussion 4946 03:05:23,359 --> 03:05:25,359 to then move it to action. Let's just 4947 03:05:25,359 --> 03:05:27,040 move it to action and determine if we 4948 03:05:27,040 --> 03:05:28,080 need to make a 4949 03:05:28,080 --> 03:05:30,080 >> I would say need to be an action item 4950 03:05:30,080 --> 03:05:32,319 and you need specifics because what I 4951 03:05:32,319 --> 03:05:34,479 heard two weeks ago was we don't want to 4952 03:05:34,479 --> 03:05:37,120 go on private property and do this type 4953 03:05:37,120 --> 03:05:37,760 of 4954 03:05:37,760 --> 03:05:40,160 >> right and so so I would okay maybe I can 4955 03:05:40,160 --> 03:05:41,920 come up with something that works on 4956 03:05:41,920 --> 03:05:43,840 public or some sort of plan you guys can 4957 03:05:43,840 --> 03:05:45,680 see how you like it that is one last 4958 03:05:45,680 --> 03:05:47,680 question on that I understand we have a 4959 03:05:47,680 --> 03:05:50,800 limit of 15 grand that is at the 4960 03:05:50,800 --> 03:05:53,120 discretion of staff can we petition for 4961 03:05:53,120 --> 03:05:56,080 that for potentially if we got some fire 4962 03:05:56,080 --> 03:05:58,000 mitigation projects, could we petition 4963 03:05:58,000 --> 03:05:59,760 for that? Would that be through staff or 4964 03:05:59,760 --> 03:06:00,960 city council as well? 4965 03:06:00,960 --> 03:06:03,920 >> Well, if we can find some place I I 4966 03:06:03,920 --> 03:06:05,279 would prefer to have the council's 4967 03:06:05,279 --> 03:06:06,240 blessing, we'll go, 4968 03:06:06,240 --> 03:06:07,439 >> you know, for in support for that 4969 03:06:07,439 --> 03:06:09,439 because it's it's new, 4970 03:06:09,439 --> 03:06:09,680 >> right? 4971 03:06:09,680 --> 03:06:10,880 >> You know, it's something not something 4972 03:06:10,880 --> 03:06:12,080 we've done. 4973 03:06:12,080 --> 03:06:14,240 >> Um 4974 03:06:14,240 --> 03:06:15,520 >> the only reason I bring it up is because 4975 03:06:15,520 --> 03:06:18,000 of the window. That's all. Um so that 4976 03:06:18,000 --> 03:06:19,840 that's all I had on those. Thanks. and 4977 03:06:19,840 --> 03:06:20,560 uh 4978 03:06:20,560 --> 03:06:22,560 >> when we figure out a way of doing the 4979 03:06:22,560 --> 03:06:24,880 priority list, let's get on it so that 4980 03:06:24,880 --> 03:06:27,120 over these three weeks we can uh not 4981 03:06:27,120 --> 03:06:28,880 only push which 4982 03:06:28,880 --> 03:06:30,880 >> I think we all gave our ranking to 4983 03:06:30,880 --> 03:06:32,560 Shane. Maybe only you did not. 4984 03:06:32,560 --> 03:06:33,760 >> So you just want us to keep with this 4985 03:06:33,760 --> 03:06:34,319 Shane? 4986 03:06:34,319 --> 03:06:35,760 >> I think we've at least started with a 4987 03:06:35,760 --> 03:06:38,720 baseline that we can start to decode and 4988 03:06:38,720 --> 03:06:39,600 then great 4989 03:06:39,600 --> 03:06:41,680 >> attach meaning and so that would 4990 03:06:41,680 --> 03:06:42,720 probably be the best way to move 4991 03:06:42,720 --> 03:06:43,120 forward. 4992 03:06:43,120 --> 03:06:45,520 >> All right, I'll forward that. When um 4993 03:06:45,520 --> 03:06:47,120 Andrew brought up the point about the 4994 03:06:47,120 --> 03:06:50,560 bonding, what page are the details or 4995 03:06:50,560 --> 03:06:51,200 are we going 4996 03:06:51,200 --> 03:06:52,720 >> the same page? Just scroll up just a 4997 03:06:52,720 --> 03:06:53,439 hair. Kayen, 4998 03:06:53,439 --> 03:06:55,520 >> are we going to go into that in a 4999 03:06:55,520 --> 03:06:56,960 separate 5000 03:06:56,960 --> 03:06:58,800 >> She's asking about the the No, no, no, 5001 03:06:58,800 --> 03:07:01,279 sorry. Uh scroll down the the fine print 5002 03:07:01,279 --> 03:07:03,359 below this. You'll see it right there. 5003 03:07:03,359 --> 03:07:06,000 >> Right. Where do we see exactly what the 5004 03:07:06,000 --> 03:07:08,240 bond is for? And it wouldn't just be for 5005 03:07:08,240 --> 03:07:10,479 one well, right? It would be for 5006 03:07:10,479 --> 03:07:12,560 remedies for multiple deficiencies. I'm 5007 03:07:12,560 --> 03:07:13,040 assuming 5008 03:07:13,040 --> 03:07:16,399 >> some more detail was in the kind of 5009 03:07:16,399 --> 03:07:18,720 discussion that was included in the 5010 03:07:18,720 --> 03:07:20,640 packet two weeks ago. 5011 03:07:20,640 --> 03:07:23,040 >> Um but more information will be coming 5012 03:07:23,040 --> 03:07:25,040 like we've planned tenatively I think 5013 03:07:25,040 --> 03:07:28,399 the first meeting in June uh Bren will 5014 03:07:28,399 --> 03:07:31,520 be remote I guess um to have science 5015 03:07:31,520 --> 03:07:33,600 public finance come and answer some of 5016 03:07:33,600 --> 03:07:35,120 your questions. There's different things 5017 03:07:35,120 --> 03:07:37,920 you can do with structuring a bond. I 5018 03:07:37,920 --> 03:07:42,000 don't see any possibility of a a free 5019 03:07:42,000 --> 03:07:43,840 >> refinance, but they're not going to be 5020 03:07:43,840 --> 03:07:45,439 telling us what projects we're doing. 5021 03:07:45,439 --> 03:07:46,479 They're just going to be talking about 5022 03:07:46,479 --> 03:07:48,399 the financing. I mean, and we've been 5023 03:07:48,399 --> 03:07:51,120 sitting, you know, for hours discussing 5024 03:07:51,120 --> 03:07:54,960 $50,000, you know, $25,000 and this is 5025 03:07:54,960 --> 03:07:57,120 >> millions of dollars and that's why I 5026 03:07:57,120 --> 03:07:57,600 started with 5027 03:07:57,600 --> 03:08:01,040 >> I want to understand what 5028 03:08:01,040 --> 03:08:03,439 improvements, what capital or water 5029 03:08:03,439 --> 03:08:05,920 structure improvements are coming with 5030 03:08:05,920 --> 03:08:08,399 that. So, let us do this. We'll we'll 5031 03:08:08,399 --> 03:08:11,439 take the the appropriate pages out of 5032 03:08:11,439 --> 03:08:14,880 the master plan and put those together, 5033 03:08:14,880 --> 03:08:16,560 highlight the projects that would be 5034 03:08:16,560 --> 03:08:19,200 included, and we'll we'll email those 5035 03:08:19,200 --> 03:08:20,160 out. 5036 03:08:20,160 --> 03:08:23,520 >> But in short, Jessica, it's the it's the 5037 03:08:23,520 --> 03:08:25,680 well, the what is it called? The 5038 03:08:25,680 --> 03:08:27,760 Hillside Well, 5039 03:08:27,760 --> 03:08:28,319 >> Heritage Hills, 5040 03:08:28,319 --> 03:08:29,520 >> sorry, I'm sorry. It's the Heritage 5041 03:08:29,520 --> 03:08:31,520 Hills well and a booster pump 5042 03:08:31,520 --> 03:08:34,319 >> on 400 West. I think there's three other 5043 03:08:34,319 --> 03:08:37,279 items that we're recommending to improve 5044 03:08:37,279 --> 03:08:39,200 >> our pressure. So, are we not doing the 5045 03:08:39,200 --> 03:08:41,200 three other items? There were five. 5046 03:08:41,200 --> 03:08:42,880 >> So, I chatted with Shane today and I 5047 03:08:42,880 --> 03:08:45,040 believe you can ask to include those and 5048 03:08:45,040 --> 03:08:47,040 it is massageable at this point. Is that 5049 03:08:47,040 --> 03:08:47,439 right? 5050 03:08:47,439 --> 03:08:48,240 >> Yeah. So, that's 5051 03:08:48,240 --> 03:08:50,160 >> I mean those items are meant to help 5052 03:08:50,160 --> 03:08:51,600 improve pressure. 5053 03:08:51,600 --> 03:08:55,200 >> Um and uh I think even two weeks ago I 5054 03:08:55,200 --> 03:08:58,319 included the two weeks ago or four I 5055 03:08:58,319 --> 03:09:00,240 included the email from John She with 5056 03:09:00,240 --> 03:09:00,560 kind of 5057 03:09:00,560 --> 03:09:02,720 >> So, go back to that email. Yes, there's 5058 03:09:02,720 --> 03:09:05,359 more information in there 5059 03:09:05,359 --> 03:09:07,600 >> that will say the why behind the 5060 03:09:07,600 --> 03:09:09,760 priorities of those things because I'm 5061 03:09:09,760 --> 03:09:11,200 looking at it and going, "Don't we need 5062 03:09:11,200 --> 03:09:12,640 all of it?" 5063 03:09:12,640 --> 03:09:12,960 >> Yeah. 5064 03:09:12,960 --> 03:09:14,800 >> I mean, that's what they recommended or 5065 03:09:14,800 --> 03:09:15,760 that's what as 5066 03:09:15,760 --> 03:09:20,160 >> Yeah, he explains it in his email. I'll include that with this other 5067 03:09:20,160 --> 03:09:22,080 information I'll send out. 5068 03:09:22,080 --> 03:09:22,720 >> Okay. 5069 03:09:22,720 --> 03:09:24,720 >> So, yeah. 5070 03:09:24,720 --> 03:09:27,600 But to be clear, um this this rainbow 5071 03:09:27,600 --> 03:09:28,960 sheet, 5072 03:09:28,960 --> 03:09:32,240 >> um we've approved water or what we would 5073 03:09:32,240 --> 03:09:34,240 be approving in the tenative budget 5074 03:09:34,240 --> 03:09:37,600 tonight is $535,000 5075 03:09:37,600 --> 03:09:40,080 of current funding and the other 5076 03:09:40,080 --> 03:09:42,720 projects are a somewhat of a separate 5077 03:09:42,720 --> 03:09:43,760 discussion item. 5078 03:09:43,760 --> 03:09:45,040 >> Bring those in, right, 5079 03:09:45,040 --> 03:09:48,000 >> when we finalize everything. And 5080 03:09:48,000 --> 03:09:49,600 >> tonight in the tenative budget, we do 5081 03:09:49,600 --> 03:09:52,720 have a $535,000 line item for water. But 5082 03:09:52,720 --> 03:09:54,800 aren't the are we not also approving 5083 03:09:54,800 --> 03:09:56,800 these bonds tentatively? 5084 03:09:56,800 --> 03:09:58,240 >> No, it's a whole separate process. 5085 03:09:58,240 --> 03:10:00,240 >> Those will be separately voted on each. 5086 03:10:00,240 --> 03:10:01,520 >> That's why in these 5087 03:10:01,520 --> 03:10:04,000 >> will be are they only included because 5088 03:10:04,000 --> 03:10:05,600 it is the intent of how we would 5089 03:10:05,600 --> 03:10:08,399 actually budget these projects. 5090 03:10:08,399 --> 03:10:08,800 >> Meaning 5091 03:10:08,800 --> 03:10:10,960 >> it's to give you like kind of a forecast 5092 03:10:10,960 --> 03:10:12,479 of what's coming. 5093 03:10:12,479 --> 03:10:14,000 >> It's like a placeholder. It's like this 5094 03:10:14,000 --> 03:10:15,600 is allocated but then as these big 5095 03:10:15,600 --> 03:10:18,640 projects come up on it individually as 5096 03:10:18,640 --> 03:10:19,680 they come up 5097 03:10:19,680 --> 03:10:21,359 >> even the bonds individually. 5098 03:10:21,359 --> 03:10:23,439 >> Yes. Yeah, we have to have public 5099 03:10:23,439 --> 03:10:24,880 hearing. There's a lot of different 5100 03:10:24,880 --> 03:10:26,399 steps, okay, to 5101 03:10:26,399 --> 03:10:27,120 >> okay, get it 5102 03:10:27,120 --> 03:10:29,200 >> was just it was very central in the 5103 03:10:29,200 --> 03:10:30,319 whole budget. That's 5104 03:10:30,319 --> 03:10:32,479 >> to me it was like we can we can take a 5105 03:10:32,479 --> 03:10:34,479 small piece of what needs to be 5106 03:10:34,479 --> 03:10:36,399 accomplished here with the current 5107 03:10:36,399 --> 03:10:38,720 revenue but to meet the full need we're 5108 03:10:38,720 --> 03:10:40,479 going to have bonding and all these 5109 03:10:40,479 --> 03:10:43,359 discussions and this long process 5110 03:10:43,359 --> 03:10:45,200 to let us know like we're not meeting 5111 03:10:45,200 --> 03:10:47,279 all our needs with the current funding 5112 03:10:47,279 --> 03:10:49,200 but in the future we will be meet you 5113 03:10:49,200 --> 03:10:50,640 know talking about how to meet all these 5114 03:10:50,640 --> 03:10:52,720 needs that have been discussed. That's 5115 03:10:52,720 --> 03:10:56,469 how I read it. 5116 03:10:56,479 --> 03:10:59,279 » Okay. Is it typical when doing these 5117 03:10:59,279 --> 03:11:01,040 bonds just because we're bringing it up 5118 03:11:01,040 --> 03:11:05,520 to get a couple bids for financing? 5119 03:11:05,520 --> 03:11:07,760 >> I know we're working with Zans, but are 5120 03:11:07,760 --> 03:11:09,279 do we do we have a good relationship 5121 03:11:09,279 --> 03:11:09,840 with 5122 03:11:09,840 --> 03:11:10,880 >> I've never been through a bonding 5123 03:11:10,880 --> 03:11:12,000 process before. 5124 03:11:12,000 --> 03:11:12,399 >> Okay. 5125 03:11:12,399 --> 03:11:13,840 >> Doesn't happen very often in Alpine 5126 03:11:13,840 --> 03:11:15,279 >> and I appreciate that. I think 5127 03:11:15,279 --> 03:11:16,399 >> when you have these infrastructure 5128 03:11:16,399 --> 03:11:18,319 needs, there's really not much choice. 5129 03:11:18,319 --> 03:11:20,319 >> And I told Shane I appreciate that how 5130 03:11:20,319 --> 03:11:21,840 little bonding we've done over the last 5131 03:11:21,840 --> 03:11:24,000 decade. So, thank you. 5132 03:11:24,000 --> 03:11:25,680 >> That was all I had. Thank you. Okay, 5133 03:11:25,680 --> 03:11:26,800 I'll entertain a motion. 5134 03:11:26,800 --> 03:11:28,160 >> Right. I move to approve resolution 5135 03:11:28,160 --> 03:11:29,920 R2026-20 5136 03:11:29,920 --> 03:11:32,080 adopting the fiscal year 2027 tenative 5137 03:11:32,080 --> 03:11:34,399 budget. 5138 03:11:34,399 --> 03:11:35,760 >> Is there a second? 5139 03:11:35,760 --> 03:11:39,840 >> Can can we add with um a prioritization 5140 03:11:39,840 --> 03:11:44,000 of projects um at the in two weeks? 5141 03:11:44,000 --> 03:11:46,000 >> Is that necessary? Are we 5142 03:11:46,000 --> 03:11:47,359 >> Wait, hold on. I think we have to second 5143 03:11:47,359 --> 03:11:47,920 it first. 5144 03:11:47,920 --> 03:11:49,279 >> Second first and then it hasn't been 5145 03:11:49,279 --> 03:11:50,080 approved. 5146 03:11:50,080 --> 03:11:54,319 >> Oh, I'm sorry. Is there a second? 5147 03:11:54,319 --> 03:11:55,120 I'll second. 5148 03:11:55,120 --> 03:11:56,960 >> Okay. It's moved by Councilman Rland, 5149 03:11:56,960 --> 03:12:00,240 seconded by Councilwoman Blackwell. 5150 03:12:00,240 --> 03:12:02,319 >> Chrissy, did you asking for an 5151 03:12:02,319 --> 03:12:02,960 amendment? 5152 03:12:02,960 --> 03:12:05,840 >> Yes, I'm asking for amendment to include 5153 03:12:05,840 --> 03:12:10,080 um the I counted these before. One, two, 5154 03:12:10,080 --> 03:12:12,160 three, four, five, six. The eight 5155 03:12:12,160 --> 03:12:16,720 projects in yellow incl 5156 03:12:16,720 --> 03:12:18,240 >> that are not allotted. 5157 03:12:18,240 --> 03:12:19,439 >> Shane says it's just part of the 5158 03:12:19,439 --> 03:12:20,800 process. We don't need a motion. 5159 03:12:20,800 --> 03:12:22,319 >> Oh, it's not included in the motion to 5160 03:12:22,319 --> 03:12:24,000 include all these. You don't you don't 5161 03:12:24,000 --> 03:12:25,520 I'll just bring them back in two weeks. 5162 03:12:25,520 --> 03:12:26,880 You don't know that. 5163 03:12:26,880 --> 03:12:27,760 >> Then 5164 03:12:27,760 --> 03:12:28,640 >> never mind. 5165 03:12:28,640 --> 03:12:30,880 >> I re retract the amendment. 5166 03:12:30,880 --> 03:12:32,319 >> Let's proceed with a roll call vote. 5167 03:12:32,319 --> 03:12:33,439 >> Brent Rley. Yes. 5168 03:12:33,439 --> 03:12:35,439 >> Jessica Simon. Yes. Sarah Blackwell. 5169 03:12:35,439 --> 03:12:35,680 Yes. 5170 03:12:35,680 --> 03:12:37,680 >> Grace Anaman. Yes. 5171 03:12:37,680 --> 03:12:39,040 >> Andrew Young. Yes. 5172 03:12:39,040 --> 03:12:39,520 >> Okay. 5173 03:12:39,520 --> 03:12:41,439 >> Just to discuss this just so all of them 5174 03:12:41,439 --> 03:12:42,720 are included even though we didn't put 5175 03:12:42,720 --> 03:12:44,399 it in the motion and we'll talk about 5176 03:12:44,399 --> 03:12:45,920 them and how that will be finalized. 5177 03:12:45,920 --> 03:12:47,760 >> It's just part of the overall process 5178 03:12:47,760 --> 03:12:49,120 and then we'll do a final. 5179 03:12:49,120 --> 03:12:50,399 >> Although I would like to do one a 5180 03:12:50,399 --> 03:12:51,600 minute. Chiefs, do you guys have 5181 03:12:51,600 --> 03:12:53,200 anything to report before we go into 5182 03:12:53,200 --> 03:12:55,920 close session? 5183 03:12:55,920 --> 03:12:57,520 >> We can let you go. Thank you so much. 5184 03:12:57,520 --> 03:12:58,479 Appreciate it. 5185 03:12:58,479 --> 03:13:00,720 >> I think Chief Patton has something. 5186 03:13:00,720 --> 03:13:03,200 >> Only 9:15. 5187 03:13:03,200 --> 03:13:04,720 >> Public safety district meeting tomorrow 5188 03:13:04,720 --> 03:13:12,870 morning, 7:30. 5189 03:13:12,880 --> 03:13:16,080 » I got an email. I'm so committed to 5190 03:13:16,080 --> 03:13:20,240 reading your email. I don't see it. 5191 03:13:20,240 --> 03:13:24,240 Um, so no, it was in the packet.