1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:01,040 Thank you. 2 00:00:01,040 --> 00:00:02,879 >> We're calling to order Alpine City 3 00:00:02,879 --> 00:00:07,919 Council meeting for May 26, 2026, 6 p.m. 4 00:00:07,919 --> 00:00:10,240 >> Um, we will start with a roll call 5 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:13,200 starting with council person, 6 00:00:13,200 --> 00:00:15,839 Councilwoman Sarah Blackwell. 7 00:00:15,839 --> 00:00:17,840 >> Sarah Blackwell present. 8 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:19,439 >> Chrissy Hanaman present. 9 00:00:19,439 --> 00:00:21,279 >> Andrew Young present. Bren Remler 10 00:00:21,279 --> 00:00:25,509 present. 11 00:00:25,519 --> 00:00:28,080 » Okay. 12 00:00:28,080 --> 00:00:30,480 >> Yes. And then we will start with a 13 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:32,640 prayer offered by Councilwoman Blackwell 14 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:35,040 followed by a pledge led by Councilman 15 00:00:35,040 --> 00:00:38,310 Young. 16 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:40,239 Our dear father in heaven, we are 17 00:00:40,239 --> 00:00:41,760 grateful for the opportunity we have to 18 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:44,399 gather together as um residents and as a 19 00:00:44,399 --> 00:00:47,160 community to discuss um various 20 00:00:47,160 --> 00:00:49,680 [clears throat] topics and needs. We are 21 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:51,840 grateful for this beautiful city that we 22 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:53,280 have the opportunity to live in. And 23 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:54,960 we're grateful for our country and for 24 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,840 the freedoms that we enjoy. 25 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:00,079 We're so grateful for those who have 26 00:01:00,079 --> 00:01:02,800 sacrificed for our behalf on our behalf 27 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:04,479 to be able to enjoy these freedoms and 28 00:01:04,479 --> 00:01:07,040 pray that we might always remember them 29 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:08,799 and pray that as we move forward this 30 00:01:08,799 --> 00:01:11,520 with this meeting that we may be 31 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:14,000 efficient and kind and we say these 32 00:01:14,000 --> 00:01:15,040 things in the name of Jesus Christ. 33 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:15,520 Amen. 34 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:17,920 >> Amen. 35 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:20,159 >> All rise. 36 00:01:20,159 --> 00:01:23,680 Repeat after me. I pledge algiance to 37 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:27,280 the flag of the United States of America 38 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,479 and to the republic for which it stands. 39 00:01:30,479 --> 00:01:34,240 One nation under God, indivisible, with 40 00:01:34,240 --> 00:01:36,240 liberty and justice for all. 41 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:42,310 >> Thank you. 42 00:01:42,320 --> 00:01:45,459 » Okay, let's move on to the 43 00:01:45,459 --> 00:01:48,720 [clears throat] consent calendar. 44 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,079 Shane, did you have anything that you 45 00:01:50,079 --> 00:01:52,479 want to say or should I just ask for 46 00:01:52,479 --> 00:01:54,880 questions? 47 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:57,200 >> I don't unless there's questions. 48 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:58,719 >> Are there questions regarding any of the 49 00:01:58,719 --> 00:02:00,799 items on the consent calendar? 50 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:05,680 >> Uh, two two minor ones. Uh, Chief, 51 00:02:05,680 --> 00:02:07,600 could I I'll ask the council, but it's 52 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,319 just I read through the whole agreement, 53 00:02:10,319 --> 00:02:14,480 the item uh letter D, and I don't bring 54 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:16,640 this because I'm questioning it. I love 55 00:02:16,640 --> 00:02:19,920 it and I It's really hard to understand. 56 00:02:19,920 --> 00:02:23,360 It's like uh um 57 00:02:23,360 --> 00:02:24,800 firefighters and lawyers got together 58 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:26,400 and used where every term that I don't 59 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:27,599 understand in it. So, I was just 60 00:02:27,599 --> 00:02:30,239 wondering if you could explain what our 61 00:02:30,239 --> 00:02:33,440 compliance is in this. I I tried to go 62 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,760 through every page. I think I love it, 63 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:37,760 but I don't fully understand what we're 64 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:40,400 committing to. Do Do you understand in 65 00:02:40,400 --> 00:02:42,800 this agreement? I hope it's appropriate 66 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:46,560 to ask the chief during this. Uh it's uh 67 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:48,400 if you have any uh insight into what 68 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,800 we're agreeing to. Uh I I know there's a 69 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:54,160 lot of money changing from the initial 70 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,480 um I think you pressed the button from 71 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:58,400 the initial attack. I believe that's 72 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,080 what it's called to the um second stage 73 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:04,480 attack which is the 74 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,200 uh what is it called? It's it's when 75 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,200 basically the state takes over. 76 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:10,640 >> Yes. when it gets delegated 77 00:03:10,640 --> 00:03:12,400 >> and we start what are basically what are 78 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,800 we committing to just so I know and 79 00:03:14,800 --> 00:03:16,159 >> essentially what we're committing to 80 00:03:16,159 --> 00:03:18,720 with the agreement is that we will 81 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:25,040 either pay the state or do work in kind 82 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:30,959 to cover the the cost. Um and basically 83 00:03:30,959 --> 00:03:33,599 each city is assessed 84 00:03:33,599 --> 00:03:39,680 um a cost based on threat level and so 85 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:40,720 >> hi there. 86 00:03:40,720 --> 00:03:42,879 >> Okay, there you go. Thank you. 87 00:03:42,879 --> 00:03:44,000 >> Thank you. 88 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:46,720 >> Anyways, so really and I mean this isn't 89 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:49,680 new. We've we've had a CWS agreement 90 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,280 with the state forever. Um they've 91 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:54,400 changed the way they do it. They 92 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:56,799 actually separated it for the past few 93 00:03:56,799 --> 00:03:58,319 years. We've done this at the Lone Peak 94 00:03:58,319 --> 00:04:00,959 board meetings and it was signed by the 95 00:04:00,959 --> 00:04:04,239 Lone Peak board chair. Um this year they 96 00:04:04,239 --> 00:04:05,840 separated it into the cities. 97 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:07,920 Essentially what this does, it does two 98 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:11,120 things really. This is our cooperative 99 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:13,040 agreement with the state. So this is how 100 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:16,000 we deploy outside of the state or within 101 00:04:16,000 --> 00:04:18,720 the state. The other thing that this 102 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:21,759 agreement says is that the state will 103 00:04:21,759 --> 00:04:24,800 pick up the bill for any fire that 104 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:28,800 happens that gets delegated. 105 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,520 >> So essentially, if somebody lights a 106 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:35,520 fire in Alpine and that fire goes to 107 00:04:35,520 --> 00:04:37,919 Mountain, the state's going to pick up 108 00:04:37,919 --> 00:04:39,120 the bill. [clears throat] Without the 109 00:04:39,120 --> 00:04:42,310 CWS, 110 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:43,840 » you all be on the hook for that bill. 111 00:04:43,840 --> 00:04:45,520 >> Okay. And then there's a couple places 112 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,199 where it leaves blanks in this. I'm 113 00:04:47,199 --> 00:04:49,840 sorry if you already know this. And uh 114 00:04:49,840 --> 00:04:51,919 it says we can't do anything with this 115 00:04:51,919 --> 00:04:54,479 agreement unless we bring it back up. I 116 00:04:54,479 --> 00:04:56,880 don't know if you're aware or anyone. Do 117 00:04:56,880 --> 00:04:58,720 we not need to fill in the blanks first? 118 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,440 For example, one of them is uh we are 119 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,320 supposed to choose who the enforcement 120 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,199 officer is of the 121 00:05:07,199 --> 00:05:09,680 >> So so we put that in the um 122 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:10,720 >> is it in the new one? Just not the 123 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,880 packet. It's in the uh staff report kind 124 00:05:12,880 --> 00:05:15,280 of the cover sheet but we'll fill that 125 00:05:15,280 --> 00:05:16,479 in. So we 126 00:05:16,479 --> 00:05:17,759 >> it's just not filled into the actual 127 00:05:17,759 --> 00:05:18,240 report. 128 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:20,320 >> Right. It it's Deian has it taken care 129 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,199 of for the signature copy but uh it's 130 00:05:23,199 --> 00:05:25,520 our planner and our code compliance 131 00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:28,479 officer is who we've proposed right now 132 00:05:28,479 --> 00:05:30,240 with the thought that that could change 133 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,360 as changing state requirements and when 134 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,039 we see what all that looks like. And 135 00:05:35,039 --> 00:05:36,400 then the part that I did understand is 136 00:05:36,400 --> 00:05:39,600 it does mandate us to do the 137 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,400 >> SWPP plan. Is that what it's called? The 138 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:43,199 >> CWP. 139 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:45,520 plan, which I love. 140 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,680 >> Do you have any sort of timeline for us 141 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:49,520 so we can help with that or what when 142 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:50,960 that comes? So we can uh 143 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,400 >> So we actually we have a functional CWP. 144 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:55,039 >> Okay. 145 00:05:55,039 --> 00:05:57,759 >> We have to have we have to have a CWPP 146 00:05:57,759 --> 00:06:00,240 so that we're in compliance for the CWS. 147 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:01,600 Lots of acronyms, 148 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:05,520 >> right? But so we have one currently 149 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:10,160 uh the new CWPP we are in like final 150 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:10,479 >> okay 151 00:06:10,479 --> 00:06:13,360 >> final revision hopefully before July 1 152 00:06:13,360 --> 00:06:15,520 if not shortly after. 153 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:16,080 >> So 154 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:17,440 >> right all right that was all the 155 00:06:17,440 --> 00:06:18,479 questions I had. Thank you. 156 00:06:18,479 --> 00:06:20,319 >> So just just so you're all aware so like 157 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:24,000 the inind that we do so we bought a new 158 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:28,560 fire engine that qualifies as 159 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:31,039 a wildland type of engine. So the state 160 00:06:31,039 --> 00:06:33,600 gives us credit every year for the next 161 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:36,800 five years towards that inind. When you 162 00:06:36,800 --> 00:06:38,560 guys do a mitigation project and we're 163 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:40,960 involved, we don't just count our time. 164 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:42,720 We counted every one of those people 165 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:43,840 that were out there. 166 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:45,360 >> We had like a wager how many we could 167 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:45,759 get. 168 00:06:45,759 --> 00:06:48,639 >> Yeah. So if we ever got to the point 169 00:06:48,639 --> 00:06:51,520 where we were looking for money. Also 170 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,840 included in that is the water system. So 171 00:06:53,840 --> 00:06:55,039 we could look at like your well 172 00:06:55,039 --> 00:06:56,960 maintenance, any kind of pro, anything 173 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,919 that gets bought that's gonna 174 00:06:59,919 --> 00:07:02,800 um bolster or facilitate or be a part of 175 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:05,120 the water system. We can also count that 176 00:07:05,120 --> 00:07:08,720 money as part of the system. So we're 177 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,560 never going to fall short on it's never 178 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:11,680 we're never going to have to pay cash 179 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,759 out of our pocket. So 180 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:15,440 >> thank you. I appreciate that. 181 00:07:15,440 --> 00:07:17,280 >> I one follow-up question of that. Um, 182 00:07:17,280 --> 00:07:18,800 you mentioned that we used to do this 183 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,160 for the Lone Peak special no safety 184 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,680 special safety you know the Lone Peak 185 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:26,560 >> public safety district 186 00:07:26,560 --> 00:07:28,800 >> public there we go public lone peak 187 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:31,199 public safety district. So are we in 188 00:07:31,199 --> 00:07:33,120 moving in parallel then with Highland 189 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,000 bec because you're facilitating both 190 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:36,960 plans. 191 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,199 >> Yes. So this is the first year that the 192 00:07:39,199 --> 00:07:41,199 state has broken it into the individual 193 00:07:41,199 --> 00:07:43,745 cities. Before it was just a lone peak 194 00:07:43,745 --> 00:07:45,520 [clears throat] CWS. 195 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,160 Um, so this year I don't I don't know 196 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:49,520 for whatever reason they broke it out. 197 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:51,440 Highland approved theirs last Tuesday 198 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:54,240 and so yours is on the docket tonight. 199 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:54,800 >> Okay. 200 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,960 >> Thank you. The only final one, Kaden, 201 00:07:56,960 --> 00:07:58,240 thank you. I appreciate it and I know 202 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,639 we're short on time. Uh, Kaden, I just 203 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:02,960 had a question for Jason. I tried to 204 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:04,960 track the roads only because it's, you 205 00:08:04,960 --> 00:08:06,720 know, 300k. This is the only reason I'm 206 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,240 bringing it up and I tried to call 207 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:09,945 earlier, so sorry I couldn't reach you. 208 00:08:09,945 --> 00:08:11,440 [clears throat] Um, on the roads that 209 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,440 we're doing for the uh, chip seal, the 210 00:08:13,440 --> 00:08:18,319 seal coat and the emulsion. I tried to go Kad and 211 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:20,240 I sent a folder that has all the roads. 212 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:22,879 I tried to map them out and I just hoped 213 00:08:22,879 --> 00:08:24,639 you could give us some clarification. 214 00:08:24,639 --> 00:08:26,240 Not because I'm questioning this. I 215 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,000 think it's a great idea, but more so 216 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:29,360 that we can help with it in the future. 217 00:08:29,360 --> 00:08:31,039 If we find roads that need it, the ones 218 00:08:31,039 --> 00:08:32,719 that don't, and how you go about 219 00:08:32,719 --> 00:08:34,240 deciding them, and this is only because 220 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:41,190 it's 300k that I'm bringing it up. 221 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:46,230 » Silk coat roads JPEG. 222 00:08:46,240 --> 00:08:59,350 It's It's actually on the Z drive. 223 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:01,519 » So, why he's bringing it up? Um, so 224 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:03,200 we've got a a map of the roads that 225 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:08,399 we're doing. Um, in the future these 226 00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:11,120 Shane and Landing, well, Landon goes out 227 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:12,560 and looks at all the roads and figures 228 00:09:12,560 --> 00:09:15,279 out what he needs. Um, so if you see a 229 00:09:15,279 --> 00:09:17,920 road that you feel needs it, get with 230 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,240 Landon and we can go that way with him. 231 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:21,360 >> Is that where the residents could like 232 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:22,800 reach out to the right person for the 233 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:25,120 specific road? Okay. Oh, good. Yeah, 234 00:09:25,120 --> 00:09:26,959 this is kind of how the map I got. 235 00:09:26,959 --> 00:09:27,760 >> Good. 236 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,760 >> Okay. Thank you. This is helpful to see. 237 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:31,360 Are there any roads in the future that 238 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:33,200 we should pay attention to to a lot 239 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:36,560 money for? Um, we have, so this is for 240 00:09:36,560 --> 00:09:38,959 this budget year. Next budget year, 241 00:09:38,959 --> 00:09:40,399 we've got some more roads we're doing 242 00:09:40,399 --> 00:09:42,880 and we've got a list of those currently. 243 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,800 So, if you want to see those, 244 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:46,480 >> feel free to reach out and I can go over 245 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:47,760 them with you. 246 00:09:47,760 --> 00:09:49,519 >> Okay. Thank you. 247 00:09:49,519 --> 00:09:50,480 >> Anyone else? 248 00:09:50,480 --> 00:09:51,760 >> Any other questions? 249 00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:54,640 >> Okay. If not, I will entertain a motion. 250 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:56,160 I'll move to approve the consent 251 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,680 calendar with the understanding that the 252 00:09:59,680 --> 00:10:00,560 meeting [clears throat] minutes from the 253 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:02,880 budget work session have been revised as 254 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,880 requested via email today and notice to 255 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:06,560 other council members. 256 00:10:06,560 --> 00:10:08,880 >> Okay. Is there a second? 257 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:10,000 >> I'll second [clears throat] the motion. 258 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:11,680 >> It's been moved by Councilman Rmler, 259 00:10:11,680 --> 00:10:14,560 seconded by Councilwoman Haniman. Um 260 00:10:14,560 --> 00:10:17,040 let's proceed with the roll call vote. 261 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:18,160 >> Sarah Blackwell, yes. 262 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:19,680 >> Chrissy Henman, yes. 263 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:22,320 >> Andrew Young, yes. Bren Remler, yes. 264 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:25,532 >> Jessica Suan, yes. Okay, 265 00:10:25,532 --> 00:10:27,519 [clears throat] consent calendar passes. 266 00:10:27,519 --> 00:10:29,360 We've got public comment that's coming 267 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:34,959 up. We have Okay, so we've got Jenny 268 00:10:34,959 --> 00:10:37,760 Love Lady first, followed by Mike 269 00:10:37,760 --> 00:10:41,839 Marian. Um if you guys can if Jenny if 270 00:10:41,839 --> 00:10:44,000 you can come up state your name and then 271 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:46,480 just the um 272 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:47,200 sorry [clears throat] 273 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:48,560 and that whether you're an Alpine 274 00:10:48,560 --> 00:10:52,399 resident or not and then if you can um 275 00:10:52,399 --> 00:10:55,600 keep your comments to three minutes 276 00:10:55,600 --> 00:10:59,040 can you put the 277 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:00,720 >> timer on? 278 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:02,399 >> I probably won't need three minutes but 279 00:11:02,399 --> 00:11:04,800 I'm Jenny Love Lady lived in Alpine for 280 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:07,120 21 years. I'm here about the roundabout 281 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:09,920 situation. that I found about out about 282 00:11:09,920 --> 00:11:12,399 I've been here before with this 283 00:11:12,399 --> 00:11:14,480 situation on Canyon Crest with them 284 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:16,880 trying to change the speed limit and now 285 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:18,800 I hearing there's a roundabout 286 00:11:18,800 --> 00:11:21,440 possibility. Um I don't think that's a 287 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,279 great idea. I think it's going to cause 288 00:11:23,279 --> 00:11:26,880 more problems in the end of more traffic 289 00:11:26,880 --> 00:11:29,040 in a way. I think it's crosswalks that 290 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:30,959 they're concerned about. So, I think 291 00:11:30,959 --> 00:11:32,959 moving the crosswalks 292 00:11:32,959 --> 00:11:35,200 to a a different location would be a 293 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,959 better option than doing roundabouts. 294 00:11:38,959 --> 00:11:40,320 That's my comment. 295 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:41,680 >> Thank you. 296 00:11:41,680 --> 00:11:44,640 >> We can have Mike Marian followed by 297 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:47,680 Brian Irving. 298 00:11:47,680 --> 00:11:49,839 >> Yeah, Mike Marian. Uh we are Alpine 299 00:11:49,839 --> 00:11:53,200 residents about 14 years. Uh so my my 300 00:11:53,200 --> 00:11:56,160 comment may mirrors uh what Jenny just 301 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:57,680 mentioned. Uh first of all, just thank 302 00:11:57,680 --> 00:11:59,920 you for your efforts, for your time, 303 00:11:59,920 --> 00:12:02,720 efforts, energy. Um you're doing things 304 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:04,480 that, you know, we all can't do and but 305 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,560 we appreciate your representation. Uh I 306 00:12:06,560 --> 00:12:08,720 guess with that, my my hope is that as 307 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:11,839 issues come up as issues, as things that 308 00:12:11,839 --> 00:12:13,200 we should put our time, energy, and 309 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,839 resources to uh that it will be issues 310 00:12:15,839 --> 00:12:18,959 that affect the entire city of Alpine. 311 00:12:18,959 --> 00:12:21,440 Uh my concern is that you know we're not 312 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:22,880 coming every week to say hey this should 313 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:24,160 be happening on Fifer Horn and this 314 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:25,360 should be happening on Matterhorn and 315 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:26,639 this should be happening on Timberline 316 00:12:26,639 --> 00:12:28,320 because that's where I live but this 317 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:29,600 should be what's most important what's 318 00:12:29,600 --> 00:12:31,600 highest priority for the city of Alpine 319 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:32,959 as representatives that's what we're 320 00:12:32,959 --> 00:12:36,079 hoping for. Uh and so my concern is the 321 00:12:36,079 --> 00:12:38,160 same that the issues coming up in this 322 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:40,240 area where for sure there is an issue. 323 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:41,839 It's a concern and nobody's saying that 324 00:12:41,839 --> 00:12:47,600 it's not. The concern is maybe there are higher priorities both for our 325 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,959 time, our energy, our resources and so 326 00:12:50,959 --> 00:12:54,639 concerned about that. Thank you. 327 00:12:54,639 --> 00:12:57,279 >> Okay, if we can have Brian Irving and 328 00:12:57,279 --> 00:13:01,360 followed by Lisa Marian. 329 00:13:01,360 --> 00:13:04,000 >> So, thank you mayor and and council 330 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:08,079 members. Uh my hope in the budget 331 00:13:08,079 --> 00:13:10,720 process is that we can make decisions 332 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,480 that are uh number driven uh in that 333 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,959 maybe we do look at some kind of studies 334 00:13:16,959 --> 00:13:20,240 and things that will help us understand 335 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:23,519 needs uh better and we've hired 336 00:13:23,519 --> 00:13:24,959 specialists in the past that have 337 00:13:24,959 --> 00:13:26,560 suggested things that we do with the 338 00:13:26,560 --> 00:13:31,279 money that we have and I'm hoping that 339 00:13:31,279 --> 00:13:33,839 in the question of the roundabout you 340 00:13:33,839 --> 00:13:35,760 know do we spend you know, over $2 341 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,160 million on a roundabout 342 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,160 or do we have other priorities that are 343 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:41,920 going to be uh maybe better use for that 344 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:44,959 money now? And I just hope that uh we 345 00:13:44,959 --> 00:13:47,040 have good data to back up the decisions 346 00:13:47,040 --> 00:13:48,240 that are made when it comes to 347 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,000 budgeting. 348 00:13:50,000 --> 00:13:50,399 >> Thanks. 349 00:13:50,399 --> 00:13:51,680 >> Thank you. 350 00:13:51,680 --> 00:13:53,600 >> Okay, we can have Lisa Marian come 351 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:57,440 forward followed by Brooke Newaner. 352 00:13:57,440 --> 00:13:58,800 >> I'd like to thank you also for your 353 00:13:58,800 --> 00:14:00,880 service. It's fun to see our local 354 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,399 government at work and it's a lot of 355 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:04,399 your time. So I appreciate it and I am 356 00:14:04,399 --> 00:14:06,399 grateful for the opportunity to come and 357 00:14:06,399 --> 00:14:10,160 express my concerns at a citizen. 358 00:14:10,160 --> 00:14:14,240 So um I feel like you know hearing the 359 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,639 rumblings of a roundabout happening and 360 00:14:16,639 --> 00:14:18,399 that we keep talking about this Canyon 361 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:21,040 Crest corridor feels very myopic. I'm 362 00:14:21,040 --> 00:14:23,440 more on the northwest side of Alpine and 363 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:25,040 things have been changing a lot over 364 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,800 there and um we know there's a as new 365 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,079 roads are developed and neighborhoods 366 00:14:30,079 --> 00:14:32,000 are happening there's more traffic 367 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,600 problems over there and I feel like 368 00:14:33,600 --> 00:14:35,519 you've been asking citizens like what do 369 00:14:35,519 --> 00:14:36,720 we think about this and what are our 370 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,279 main priorities and people have been 371 00:14:39,279 --> 00:14:40,880 vocal I've come to a lot of city council 372 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,160 meetings and said hey you know I know 373 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:43,120 you've heard main street 374 00:14:43,120 --> 00:14:45,199 beautifification there's a lot of things 375 00:14:45,199 --> 00:14:46,959 but this same issue is just getting 376 00:14:46,959 --> 00:14:49,120 dressed up and with is like a different 377 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:50,880 problem and so if it's like road grade 378 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:52,880 or speeding or roundabout and it feels 379 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:54,160 frustrating because it feels like our 380 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:56,000 voices aren't being heard when we see 381 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:59,360 other problems. So, I'm just 382 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,680 like coming kind of like, hey, we feel a 383 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:03,279 little frustrated that some other things 384 00:15:03,279 --> 00:15:05,040 aren't being addressed. So, anyway, 385 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:05,920 thank you. 386 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:08,160 >> Thank you. [clears throat and cough] 387 00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,079 Excuse me. We can have Brooke 388 00:15:10,079 --> 00:15:14,390 Newinwander followed by Sid Reeve. 389 00:15:14,390 --> 00:15:15,680 [clears throat] Excuse me. 390 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:18,959 >> Hi, Brook Newenwander. um just a 391 00:15:18,959 --> 00:15:22,079 resident here for the past 13 years and 392 00:15:22,079 --> 00:15:25,360 um my concern is just simply the use of 393 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:28,399 money for a future roundabout on Canyon 394 00:15:28,399 --> 00:15:30,800 Crust. I don't feel like that's the best 395 00:15:30,800 --> 00:15:33,680 use of the city's money and budgeting at 396 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:35,920 this point. Um and so I did owe 397 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:37,680 everything else that has been said 398 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:39,279 regards to budget. So I don't need to 399 00:15:39,279 --> 00:15:43,279 take any more time on that. Thank you. 400 00:15:43,279 --> 00:15:47,990 >> Thank you. May we have Sidri, please? 401 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,680 My name is Sydney Reev. Um, thank you 402 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:51,440 for your service. I um I've been 403 00:15:51,440 --> 00:15:54,240 following the the um Main Street 404 00:15:54,240 --> 00:15:55,519 beautifification and that project and 405 00:15:55,519 --> 00:15:56,639 I've been to quite a few meetings on 406 00:15:56,639 --> 00:15:58,160 that. Proud of myself, but I even went 407 00:15:58,160 --> 00:15:59,519 to a planning commission meeting and sat 408 00:15:59,519 --> 00:16:01,279 through that for a while um this last 409 00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:02,959 little round. I'm hoping to get some 410 00:16:02,959 --> 00:16:04,720 more information on that. And so I'm 411 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,480 invested in this in this idea. And I 412 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:08,720 feel like um at that time when this 413 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,079 started, maybe even like a year ago when 414 00:16:10,079 --> 00:16:11,279 I first started going to those meetings, 415 00:16:11,279 --> 00:16:13,759 we kind of as a community voiced a very 416 00:16:13,759 --> 00:16:15,279 strong voice that we wanted the 417 00:16:15,279 --> 00:16:17,120 beautifification and the concentration 418 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:18,959 to be on Main Street. And it feels like 419 00:16:18,959 --> 00:16:20,320 this issue with this roundabout is 420 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:22,320 outside of that. And that we have this 421 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:23,440 money that we're being given and all 422 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:25,519 that to work on Main Street. And we just 423 00:16:25,519 --> 00:16:26,639 I feel like we just keep getting 424 00:16:26,639 --> 00:16:28,560 sidetracked from what the most important 425 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,880 part of this is. And this was was Main 426 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:32,399 Street. And so I'd rather put the focus 427 00:16:32,399 --> 00:16:34,000 there. I know there's issues with 428 00:16:34,000 --> 00:16:35,199 traffic and all that, but if we're going 429 00:16:35,199 --> 00:16:36,800 to open that can of worms up, we can 430 00:16:36,800 --> 00:16:38,000 talk about the craziness at 431 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:39,600 Mountainville and, you know, the the 432 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,399 roads there. I mean, there's there's problem spots all over. 433 00:16:42,399 --> 00:16:43,440 And I don't know that it's the city 434 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:46,399 council's job and it's going to be able 435 00:16:46,399 --> 00:16:47,680 to fix every little problem like that. 436 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:49,519 But to benefit the most citizens, it 437 00:16:49,519 --> 00:16:50,959 will be focusing on Main Street and 438 00:16:50,959 --> 00:16:52,399 keeping that the focus and not using 439 00:16:52,399 --> 00:16:56,240 money to go to these other side jobs. 440 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:57,680 >> Thank you for your comments. We 441 00:16:57,680 --> 00:16:59,279 appreciate you taking the time to come 442 00:16:59,279 --> 00:17:03,920 out. We will um proceed with item four, 443 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:06,799 which is reports and presentations. 444 00:17:06,799 --> 00:17:09,919 We have Rebecca Dudson um from the 445 00:17:09,919 --> 00:17:12,480 Children's Center of Utah. 446 00:17:12,480 --> 00:17:14,000 >> Thank you so much, mayor and council 447 00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,760 members for the opportunity to be here 448 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,240 this evening. As noted, my name is 449 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,199 Rebecca Dudson, and I have the privilege 450 00:17:21,199 --> 00:17:24,240 of serving as president and CEO. And I'd 451 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,319 also like to introduce my colleague 452 00:17:26,319 --> 00:17:28,079 Stephanie Warner, who is our government 453 00:17:28,079 --> 00:17:29,840 relations manager. 454 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:31,520 Um, 455 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,440 we are excited to be moving some and 456 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,000 bringing some services to Utah County 457 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,240 that have existed in the Salt Lake 458 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:43,440 County area, excuse me, for more than 60 459 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:45,919 years. Um, the Children's Center Utah 460 00:17:45,919 --> 00:17:48,559 was established in 1962 461 00:17:48,559 --> 00:17:50,960 and our primary mission is to provide 462 00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:52,880 mental health treatment to enhance the 463 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,200 emotional well-being of infants, 464 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:57,360 toddlers, preschoolers, and their 465 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,520 families and caregivers. 466 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,799 We are the only organization in Utah 467 00:18:02,799 --> 00:18:05,200 providing the type of treatment that we 468 00:18:05,200 --> 00:18:08,160 offer. We do have families who come from 469 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:11,919 adjacent counties to receive services. 470 00:18:11,919 --> 00:18:14,960 And so by expanding and growing um we're 471 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,280 bringing uh world-class mental health 472 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:19,840 treatment uh to Utah County. And so I'm 473 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,520 going to quickly go through some slides. 474 00:18:21,520 --> 00:18:23,919 You received the deck. I won't touch on 475 00:18:23,919 --> 00:18:25,280 everything that's in there because I'd 476 00:18:25,280 --> 00:18:26,640 like to leave a few minutes for 477 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:30,559 questions if we have um if you have any. 478 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:34,160 Um our primary services are outpatient 479 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:35,840 mental health treatment and day 480 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:38,480 treatment. Outpatient serves children 481 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:40,960 and their families. The day treatment is 482 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:43,600 for children ages two through five who 483 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,240 need more intensive treatment than just 484 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:48,720 outpatient therapy. Um they're referred 485 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:52,799 in by our clinical team. And you can see 486 00:18:52,799 --> 00:18:55,600 that presently we serve about 1,000 487 00:18:55,600 --> 00:19:00,789 children and their families every year. 488 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:04,960 We also provide a lot of consultation, 489 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,160 training and coaching to mental health 490 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:11,280 providers, to pediatricians, 491 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,919 um licensed psychologists and 492 00:19:13,919 --> 00:19:17,280 psychiatrists, also to preschool and 493 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,120 child care providers throughout the 494 00:19:19,120 --> 00:19:21,600 state. So many of our services are 495 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:24,240 statewide and you can see that we have a 496 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,960 teleconultation and training program 497 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,480 which provides 100 hours of training 498 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:34,160 every month free of charge to any 499 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,559 provider who works with young children 500 00:19:36,559 --> 00:19:40,320 ages birth to six. And then we also 501 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:44,240 provide coaching and consultation um 502 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,799 again free of charge but to any provider 503 00:19:46,799 --> 00:19:49,440 who is working with a young child. We 504 00:19:49,440 --> 00:19:50,559 receive a lot of calls from 505 00:19:50,559 --> 00:19:52,799 pediatricians and from licensed mental 506 00:19:52,799 --> 00:19:54,880 health professionals who can consult 507 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:58,470 with our team. 508 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,120 We do have two programs that are also 509 00:20:01,120 --> 00:20:03,039 statewide. The infant toddler court 510 00:20:03,039 --> 00:20:05,039 program and the trauma program for young 511 00:20:05,039 --> 00:20:07,760 children which have helped us reach into 512 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,799 counties outside of Salt Lake. Um up to 513 00:20:10,799 --> 00:20:13,840 this point they will still be available. 514 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,880 uh these programs are focused on putting 515 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:20,960 the child at the center of the treatment 516 00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:23,200 that that child needs. And so our infant 517 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:25,520 toddler court program, interestingly 518 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:27,919 enough, has a large presence in Utah 519 00:20:27,919 --> 00:20:29,760 County. We're working with judges in 520 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:32,480 both the fourth and fifth districts. And 521 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,240 so just to make you aware that these 522 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,400 things are already happening in your 523 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:40,400 community. Um we also are keen as 524 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:43,360 mentioned on providing training for 525 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:45,840 providers as well as raising public 526 00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,640 awareness and working at the local and 527 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,120 state level on policy and program 528 00:20:51,120 --> 00:20:52,799 development. 529 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:55,840 We do offer a training conference that's 530 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:58,240 been in place uh this will be our 531 00:20:58,240 --> 00:21:02,000 seventh year coming um up this November. 532 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,559 Um several hundred people join in 533 00:21:04,559 --> 00:21:07,200 person. It's a hybrid conference so 534 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,520 people join from all over the state 535 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,559 online. Uh and again we want you to be 536 00:21:12,559 --> 00:21:15,039 aware of what services are available to 537 00:21:15,039 --> 00:21:19,360 your provider team in Utah County. 538 00:21:19,360 --> 00:21:22,559 Moreover, working with the state and at 539 00:21:22,559 --> 00:21:26,400 the local level to formulate policies 540 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:28,880 that provide greater access for families 541 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:31,760 to receive treatment um and treatment 542 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:35,520 that is uh if it's Medicaid that is 543 00:21:35,520 --> 00:21:38,400 being provided that it's accessible and 544 00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,400 that it's covering the services that 545 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:43,120 families need. So, we do spend time on 546 00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:44,880 those types of things and activities 547 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,000 each year which you can see. I wanted 548 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,000 you to see who serves on our board of 549 00:21:50,000 --> 00:21:52,400 directors. We have a wonderful uh group 550 00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:56,240 of volunteers. You can see Senator Baldy 551 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,480 um serves on our board who also is 552 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:02,400 representing um the uh you know Utah 553 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:04,720 County. Not all of it of course, but a 554 00:22:04,720 --> 00:22:07,200 good portion of it up at the state and 555 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,520 keeping an eye on things. So, um she 556 00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,200 personally is very excited about our 557 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,840 move into Utah County. [clears throat] 558 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,480 I want to just um step back a minute and 559 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,919 talk about the need in our state. Um we 560 00:22:19,919 --> 00:22:23,200 have about 460,000 children in our state 561 00:22:23,200 --> 00:22:26,480 ages birth to six. It's estimated that 562 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,360 as many as 20% of those children will 563 00:22:29,360 --> 00:22:31,840 experience a mental, emotional, 564 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,559 behavioral or developmental challenge. 565 00:22:34,559 --> 00:22:38,320 that is about 90,000 children um who 566 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:41,440 will need help at some point during that 567 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:44,799 very early year um years in their life. 568 00:22:44,799 --> 00:22:47,280 And we often hear I mean I think one of 569 00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:50,640 the things I talk often about 570 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,799 is the question do young children really 571 00:22:52,799 --> 00:22:56,240 have mental health? They do. We all do. 572 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,480 And children experience mental health 573 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,960 challenges and concerns just like we do 574 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,760 as youth and adults. The sooner we 575 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,320 intervene and give that child and their 576 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,240 family the tools they need, the sooner 577 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,799 we can change the trajectory that 578 00:23:10,799 --> 00:23:13,520 they're on and reduce 579 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:15,840 the mental health challenges that our 580 00:23:15,840 --> 00:23:19,679 state experiences. Um, you are probably 581 00:23:19,679 --> 00:23:21,280 aware, I'm probably not telling you 582 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,679 anything new, but suicide among children 583 00:23:23,679 --> 00:23:27,039 ages 10 to 17 is the leading cause of 584 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:30,240 death of children in Utah. That is true 585 00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:34,320 for children and youth ages 18 to 24 and 586 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:39,440 also for adults um aged 25 to 44. So 587 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,520 it's really important that we go 588 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,600 upstream and so we're excited about 589 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:45,360 being able to bring these services to 590 00:23:45,360 --> 00:23:49,679 Utah. Um, just a quick statistic again, 591 00:23:49,679 --> 00:23:51,919 it's startling, but I think awareness 592 00:23:51,919 --> 00:23:55,520 matters. Of children in Utah, ages 3 to 593 00:23:55,520 --> 00:23:58,799 17 who do have a diagnosed mental or 594 00:23:58,799 --> 00:24:02,320 behavioral health condition, almost 67 595 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,600 or excuse me, almost 60% of them are not 596 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:08,240 receiving treatment. 597 00:24:08,240 --> 00:24:10,880 And in Utah, we have onethird fewer 598 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,760 behavioral health providers per 100,000 599 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:16,480 residents than the average across the 600 00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:19,440 rest of the nation. So 601 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:22,240 with those data points underscoring our 602 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,720 expansion coming into Utah County, we're 603 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:28,159 just very excited to be bringing 604 00:24:28,159 --> 00:24:31,440 tested, evidence-based, traumainformed 605 00:24:31,440 --> 00:24:35,200 services to families in Utah County. We 606 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:37,200 do have a strong partnership with the 607 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:39,919 state. We've received state investment 608 00:24:39,919 --> 00:24:42,400 both from a capital and a program 609 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:45,600 infrastructure. All of those funding um 610 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,039 sources that we've received from the 611 00:24:47,039 --> 00:24:49,840 state have been matched at a minimum 2 612 00:24:49,840 --> 00:24:53,360 one 3 one and 4 one. So the private 613 00:24:53,360 --> 00:24:56,159 sector is very involved um in our 614 00:24:56,159 --> 00:24:58,880 efforts. I wanted to just quickly give 615 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,679 you a snapshot so that you could see um 616 00:25:01,679 --> 00:25:03,840 the beauty of the facility, what we're 617 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:07,200 bringing, a space that is filled with 618 00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:08,799 compassion 619 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:11,440 um and meets families where they are. 620 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,559 Also, a team of experts who understand 621 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:16,080 the mental health of our youngest 622 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,600 citizens. 623 00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:21,600 And our last invitation to you is to 624 00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,240 join us for the formal public ribbon 625 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:28,000 cutting um for our building which will 626 00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:31,440 be located on the Inter Mountain Primary 627 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,000 Children's Hospital, Larry H. and Gal 628 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,960 Miller Family Campus in Lehi. Now 629 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,520 mentioning this, our day treatment 630 00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,720 program for children ages 2 to five, we 631 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,679 do provide transportation to children 632 00:25:45,679 --> 00:25:48,159 for that. And so we have a 633 00:25:48,159 --> 00:25:50,159 transportation team that goes out to 634 00:25:50,159 --> 00:25:51,840 child care centers or famil family's 635 00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,720 homes, brings the child into our center, 636 00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:56,960 and then takes them back to wherever 637 00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:58,720 they need to go, whether that's home or 638 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:00,880 their child care. So we're trying to do 639 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:03,200 everything we can to take down barriers 640 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,000 to make mental health treatment as 641 00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,559 accessible as possible for kids and 642 00:26:08,559 --> 00:26:11,520 families. So I would love to answer any 643 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,600 questions. I've left out many details, 644 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,200 but again, just want to express 645 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,840 appreciation for having the opportunity 646 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,400 to let you know we're coming. Um, we'll 647 00:26:20,400 --> 00:26:24,320 open um in July, but the formal ribbon 648 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,520 cutting will be October 1. 649 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,159 >> Perfect. Thank you so much. Does anybody 650 00:26:30,159 --> 00:26:33,279 um on council have questions for 651 00:26:33,279 --> 00:26:35,279 the children's center? 652 00:26:35,279 --> 00:26:36,960 >> Um, first of all, I think it's amazing 653 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:39,120 what you're doing. It does make me a 654 00:26:39,120 --> 00:26:41,600 little sad that children this young 655 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,039 experience trauma. 656 00:26:43,039 --> 00:26:43,520 >> Yeah. 657 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,919 >> Um but I I recognize that that is an 658 00:26:45,919 --> 00:26:48,880 issue. Um just 659 00:26:48,880 --> 00:26:51,279 >> I won't speak about Well, and then I 660 00:26:51,279 --> 00:26:52,799 guess when you're coming to the city, 661 00:26:52,799 --> 00:26:55,840 how can we help just as advocates as 662 00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:58,640 spreading the word? Is that what 663 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,000 >> both of those things? Um we do have um 664 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:03,520 and I will say in Salt Lake County 665 00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:04,559 partnerships with different 666 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:07,120 municipalities where we have applied for 667 00:27:07,120 --> 00:27:09,600 funding and you know bringing that in 668 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,840 but that's not our purpose today but 669 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:13,520 long term there might be interest 670 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:16,240 because it's helping support um 671 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:18,159 residents who may not be able to afford 672 00:27:18,159 --> 00:27:20,640 the treatment. Um I'll mention that we 673 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,720 do accept Medicaid and all commercial 674 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:25,760 payers. Um, some people self-pay, but 675 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,159 for those who cannot afford the 676 00:27:28,159 --> 00:27:30,480 treatment, we private fund raise. And if 677 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,720 we're the right place for treatment, we 678 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,919 do not turn anyone away. So helping 679 00:27:35,919 --> 00:27:38,080 raise awareness. If you have websites, 680 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:41,039 if you have events, newsletters, those 681 00:27:41,039 --> 00:27:42,799 are places where we would love to be 682 00:27:42,799 --> 00:27:46,400 visible because as long as we have been 683 00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:48,880 around more than 60 years, we're 684 00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,520 bringing something entirely new to Utah 685 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,320 County and awareness of what we do is 686 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,960 not as prevalent obviously as it is in 687 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,799 Salt Lake County. 688 00:27:58,799 --> 00:27:59,440 >> Thank you. 689 00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:01,039 >> No, thank you. 690 00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:03,039 >> Thank you for the presentation. Um, I 691 00:28:03,039 --> 00:28:06,720 had two questions. She asked one, so I I 692 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:09,200 added one. So now I have two still. 693 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:10,640 Okay. [laughter] How what if I were to 694 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,720 explain someone how do they access your 695 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,559 services? Like what's the primary route? 696 00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:16,799 Is it through referral? And the second 697 00:28:16,799 --> 00:28:18,480 question is how are you partnering with 698 00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:19,919 kids on the move, which is something I'm 699 00:28:19,919 --> 00:28:22,240 familiar with from personal experience. 700 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,120 >> I love it. Okay. Well, families access 701 00:28:25,120 --> 00:28:27,760 this many different ways. often when a 702 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,919 family is experiencing 703 00:28:29,919 --> 00:28:33,120 uh all of the you know commotion that 704 00:28:33,120 --> 00:28:35,120 might come into a family when a child's 705 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:37,679 very disregulated and experiencing 706 00:28:37,679 --> 00:28:40,159 mental health challenges they are 707 00:28:40,159 --> 00:28:42,960 reaching out to their pediatrician. So 708 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,760 our largest source of referrals is from 709 00:28:45,760 --> 00:28:48,720 pediatricians but families do not have 710 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:50,880 to have a referral. We receive them 711 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,440 directly. We receive them from child 712 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,399 serving organizations like Head Start 713 00:28:56,399 --> 00:28:59,919 and child care centers. Um and then to 714 00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:01,360 your point, Kids on the Move. We are in 715 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,360 the process of meeting um one of our 716 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:04,880 team members actually used to work at 717 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,120 Kids on the Move and so we are 718 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,279 connecting with all of the child serving 719 00:29:09,279 --> 00:29:12,640 organizations that we're aware of um to 720 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,240 ensure that we have good referral 721 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,159 pathways and conversations going back 722 00:29:16,159 --> 00:29:19,679 and forth. So thank you. We love that. 723 00:29:19,679 --> 00:29:21,315 >> Any other questions? 724 00:29:21,315 --> 00:29:23,590 >> [clears throat] 725 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:24,960 » Thank you. Looking forward to the 726 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,279 October 1st. Congratulations. 727 00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:30,080 What uh so your main goal is awareness, 728 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:31,600 right? Kind of right now getting 729 00:29:31,600 --> 00:29:34,000 everyone aware about your organization. 730 00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,320 >> Now, I'm so sorry. Can you repeat that? 731 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,559 >> Is your main goal right now? Awareness. 732 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:40,720 >> Our main goal is awareness so that 733 00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:44,159 families know we're available and that 734 00:29:44,159 --> 00:29:46,480 they can, you know, access the services 735 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:48,880 that we have if they're experiencing 736 00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,039 challenges in their home. What would you 737 00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:52,480 say given all the people you've seen, 738 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,799 what is the biggest contributor to the 739 00:29:54,799 --> 00:29:56,960 mental health problem? What what do you 740 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:58,640 what would you say is the 741 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,640 >> biggest or [clears throat] top three? 742 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,360 >> Yeah, that's an interesting question. U 743 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:05,200 my clinical team probably would be 744 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,200 better at answering that specifically, 745 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:09,520 but I will tell you we see children for 746 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,520 all kinds of reasons. We're often the 747 00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,520 place where families are learning that 748 00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,600 their child may um be on the spectrum. 749 00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,960 uh they're experiencing anxiety, 750 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:24,080 depression. We're seeing children who've 751 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,640 experienced something traumatic, and 752 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,919 that might be a death of a close family 753 00:30:29,919 --> 00:30:31,840 member. It might be somebody who's been 754 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:33,760 bitten by a dog. They might have 755 00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:36,159 witnessed an accident. They might have 756 00:30:36,159 --> 00:30:38,320 been in a car accident. They also might 757 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:41,360 have experienced um abuse, neglect, or 758 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,240 dysfunction in their home. So, it really 759 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,799 runs the gamut. Um, I mentioned all the 760 00:30:46,799 --> 00:30:48,080 treatments that we use are 761 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,720 evidence-based. And so a child comes in 762 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,279 with their family. That might be a 763 00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:55,360 foster family, might be their birth 764 00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:57,760 family, might be, you know, some 765 00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,720 combination, but they receive an 766 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,960 assessment, and then they're paired with 767 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,279 a clinician that has the right training 768 00:31:05,279 --> 00:31:07,600 to help address what they've seen. So 769 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,440 those are just a handful of the kinds of 770 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:09,840 things. 771 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,120 >> That's helpful. Thank you. That's all I 772 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,360 had. Thanks for doing this work. 773 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,279 >> Yeah. No questions for me, just a thanks 774 00:31:15,279 --> 00:31:17,200 for what you're doing. And if you 775 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:19,679 haven't already spoken with Heidi Smith, 776 00:31:19,679 --> 00:31:22,159 she publishes the Alpine monthly newsine 777 00:31:22,159 --> 00:31:23,360 newsletter that goes out with our 778 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:24,080 utility bills. 779 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:24,320 >> Okay. 780 00:31:24,320 --> 00:31:29,200 >> And maybe you can provide a summary of what you'd like Alpine residents to 781 00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:29,840 know. 782 00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:31,840 >> Okay, that's amazing. Well, thank you 783 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,679 all very much and and thank you for your 784 00:31:33,679 --> 00:31:34,399 service. 785 00:31:34,399 --> 00:31:35,919 >> We have Jessica online if she has 786 00:31:35,919 --> 00:31:36,640 anything. 787 00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,159 >> Jessica Jessica, [clears throat] do you 788 00:31:38,159 --> 00:31:41,039 have anything? 789 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:42,080 >> I do not. 790 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:44,320 >> Okay, Mrs. That's Miss Stson, thank you 791 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,399 so much for your really appreciate the 792 00:31:46,399 --> 00:31:47,360 work that you're doing. 793 00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:48,880 >> Thank you. 794 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:52,159 >> Okay, let's move on to item five, action 795 00:31:52,159 --> 00:31:53,840 items. The site plan approval for the 796 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:55,242 Alpine Fire Station addition 797 00:31:55,242 --> 00:31:56,159 [clears throat] 798 00:31:56,159 --> 00:32:12,630 and community center site plan. 799 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,440 All right. Thank you, council. 800 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,159 So, we are all very well aware of of 801 00:32:18,159 --> 00:32:19,840 this project. We're very excited about 802 00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:23,120 it. Um, last just last week, we had a a 803 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:24,880 successful and celebratory 804 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,600 groundbreaking event um for the for the 805 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,640 Alpine Fire Station Edition. 806 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,080 Um, and so just as a reminder, this uh 807 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,760 new design for the fire station 808 00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,080 modernizes and expands the operational 809 00:32:38,080 --> 00:32:40,559 capacity and converts the existing 810 00:32:40,559 --> 00:32:42,240 structure into a functioning community 811 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:44,720 center that supports civic gatherings 812 00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:48,480 and public activities. So, we're looking 813 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,760 at this item today um because the city 814 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:53,519 council requested revised building 815 00:32:53,519 --> 00:32:55,519 design options that more closely align 816 00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:57,840 with the architectural character and 817 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,440 aesthetic vision desired for the 818 00:32:59,440 --> 00:33:01,120 station's location within the city 819 00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:03,039 block. 820 00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:05,760 So, um, the intent for this item is to 821 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,200 compare these alternative designs 822 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,159 against the original concept and 823 00:33:10,159 --> 00:33:11,840 determine the preferred architectural 824 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,960 direction for the building and approve 825 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,360 the site plan and everything else that 826 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,760 goes along with it today. So, we have 827 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,760 three resi three revised design options 828 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:26,159 that you can see here in the packet. Um, 829 00:33:26,159 --> 00:33:28,320 I won't read through those right now. 830 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,559 Um, but we can read through them as we 831 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:33,600 look at the actual design. 832 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,240 And then, uh, there's information here 833 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,320 that was provided at the previous 834 00:33:38,320 --> 00:33:40,559 council meeting about again what the 835 00:33:40,559 --> 00:33:42,960 building will do, the addition and the 836 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,440 remodel. Uh, the main point I want to 837 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,519 focus on here just to emphasize again 838 00:33:47,519 --> 00:33:49,919 that the landscaping plan will be 839 00:33:49,919 --> 00:33:51,600 completed through a separate city-led 840 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:56,240 effort. And so today the recommendation 841 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,360 would be to include that as part of a an 842 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:03,519 approval um for uh moving forward with 843 00:34:03,519 --> 00:34:06,640 the building. Um, and then we also have 844 00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:09,280 again the the recommendations made by 845 00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:12,079 the planning commission here. Um, that 846 00:34:12,079 --> 00:34:14,960 it has no faux wood, use as much brick 847 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,119 as possible, to have the landscaping 848 00:34:17,119 --> 00:34:20,320 plan be provided before installed, and 849 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,879 that the exception to the setbacks be 850 00:34:22,879 --> 00:34:27,599 given based on uh 324 of the ordinance, 851 00:34:27,599 --> 00:34:30,240 which I didn't show that in there. 852 00:34:30,240 --> 00:34:33,119 So, the staff recommends that the city 853 00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:34,480 council approve the construction of the 854 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,200 Alpine Fire Station uh addition and 855 00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:38,800 remodel per the site plan and according 856 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,879 to the design desired that a landscape 857 00:34:40,879 --> 00:34:43,040 plan be provided and that an exception 858 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:45,599 to the setbacks be provided uh as in 859 00:34:45,599 --> 00:34:48,960 324. Any design change to the original 860 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:50,560 design that we'll be looking at today 861 00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,119 will be handled through a change order. 862 00:34:53,119 --> 00:34:55,839 So, I'll go ahead and pull up the 863 00:34:55,839 --> 00:34:58,400 different design options here that have 864 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:02,564 been revised. 865 00:35:02,574 --> 00:35:04,160 [clears throat] 866 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,480 So, revised design option one. 867 00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,640 This option has minimal changes from the 868 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,480 current design. 869 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:14,160 Um, and I'll also pull up the current 870 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,400 design uh again after we look at these 871 00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,200 revised designs. So, this has minimal 872 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,800 change from the current design. It has 873 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,800 an updated gabled roof for the main 874 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:25,200 entrance to the community center. It has 875 00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,200 a more accurate depiction of existing 876 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,760 ICE stucco coloring, 877 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,160 revised roofed, sophet, fascia, door, 878 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,960 and brick colors for uh according to the 879 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:36,960 council meeting that we had last time. 880 00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,280 So, the intent would be to compromise on 881 00:35:39,280 --> 00:35:40,720 some of the comments while still 882 00:35:40,720 --> 00:35:42,560 exploring some cohesion and similarities 883 00:35:42,560 --> 00:35:47,510 to the historic Alpine City Hall. 884 00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:48,720 I don't know if we want to talk about 885 00:35:48,720 --> 00:35:50,400 each option or I'll just go through all 886 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:51,599 of them and then we can talk about all 887 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:56,274 of them at the same time. 888 00:35:56,284 --> 00:35:57,280 [clears throat] 889 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,560 Revised design option two. So, this one 890 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:02,400 would be removing all of the faux wood 891 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,680 material, an updated gabled roof for the 892 00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:08,480 main entrance to the community center, a 893 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,079 more accurate depiction of existing 894 00:36:10,079 --> 00:36:13,359 stuckle coloring, and then revised roof, 895 00:36:13,359 --> 00:36:15,359 sophet, fascia, door, and brick colors 896 00:36:15,359 --> 00:36:19,520 as per the council meeting last time. 897 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:25,190 And then the last option 898 00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,680 is very similar to the second option, 899 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:29,520 removing all the faux wood material, 900 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,680 gabled roof to the entrance of the 901 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,960 community center. Um, more more accurate 902 00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,280 depiction of the stucco, the revised 903 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,920 roof, fascia door, and brick colors, and 904 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,560 then adding eyebrows and a two-toned 905 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,680 accent band where where it occurs here. 906 00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:48,000 As you can see, compared to the option 907 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:52,310 we just looked at, 908 00:36:52,320 --> 00:36:54,000 I'll just show one more time. This is 909 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:57,440 the original concept. 910 00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:09,270 Let me zoom in on this. 911 00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,240 So, this is the current original concept 912 00:37:12,240 --> 00:37:14,079 that the council has already reviewed 913 00:37:14,079 --> 00:37:16,000 once before. 914 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:17,839 And that is all I have. I'll leave it up 915 00:37:17,839 --> 00:37:22,470 to the council for discussion. 916 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,710 » Mayor, just one other thing on 917 00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:27,200 [clears throat] the landscape plan uh 918 00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:28,880 navigate 919 00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,720 uh 920 00:37:30,720 --> 00:37:34,240 see out and and receive proposals for a 921 00:37:34,240 --> 00:37:36,400 landscape plan and they have a 922 00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,720 recommendation for the city. We have a a 923 00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:40,480 contract that's ready to be signed for 924 00:37:40,480 --> 00:37:42,720 that if that makes any difference on 925 00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:45,829 that end of it. [cough] 926 00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:49,200 Thank you. Thank you. 927 00:37:49,200 --> 00:37:51,040 >> Is that speaking of landscape, is that 928 00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:53,040 the same one as doing the sculpture 929 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,400 garden or a different one? 930 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,320 >> It's it's actually a different one, but 931 00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,520 we would make sure there's continuity. 932 00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:00,560 Um, 933 00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,839 >> who who makes sure? 934 00:38:03,839 --> 00:38:08,880 >> Well, we we can or we can involve you or 935 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:11,040 whatever we need to do. 936 00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:13,119 >> Okay. The good there isn't a ton of 937 00:38:13,119 --> 00:38:16,079 landscaping um on the fire station side. 938 00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:17,200 There's more landscaping on the 939 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,680 sculpture garden side. When you guys saw 940 00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:21,680 the site plan and the renderings, a lot 941 00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,160 of it is just 942 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,880 um mostly parking spaces and grass. It's 943 00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:31,200 not a ton more than that, but um Nade, 944 00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,359 from what I understand, went out for bid 945 00:38:33,359 --> 00:38:36,800 and um they went with a moderately 946 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,800 priced 947 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:47,190 um subcontractor. 948 00:38:47,200 --> 00:38:49,040 So starting with me. 949 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:49,680 >> Yes. Go ahead. 950 00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,240 >> Okay. First of all, thank you for the 951 00:38:52,240 --> 00:38:56,560 options. Appreciate that. Um I know that 952 00:38:56,560 --> 00:38:58,560 the timing maybe wasn't ideal, but I 953 00:38:58,560 --> 00:38:59,839 really appreciate the effort that was 954 00:38:59,839 --> 00:39:03,359 made to give us three options. Um my 955 00:39:03,359 --> 00:39:06,160 personal preference is option three. Um, 956 00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:10,000 I love how you have added a gabled 957 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,960 entrance on the west side. 958 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:17,040 I I like the removal of the faux wood. I 959 00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:18,240 think that was something that planning 960 00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:20,160 commission also recommended and I agree 961 00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:22,560 with their recommendation. I do think 962 00:39:22,560 --> 00:39:25,359 there is quite a bit of stucco now. So, 963 00:39:25,359 --> 00:39:27,680 I can see why you added the faux wood. 964 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:31,119 And I guess if I were to add one thing, 965 00:39:31,119 --> 00:39:35,200 it would be to um maybe add brick on 966 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,400 that entire north face where the bay 967 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,079 doors are and perhaps even 968 00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:45,520 some of the brick veneer on where 969 00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,502 there's those three tall windows 970 00:39:47,502 --> 00:39:48,720 [clears throat] in that part just to 971 00:39:48,720 --> 00:39:52,800 break up some of the stucco. Um, and I 972 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,280 can't tell in these three options. Is 973 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,280 the roof color the same or has it been 974 00:39:57,280 --> 00:39:59,839 changed? 975 00:39:59,839 --> 00:40:00,240 >> Sure. 976 00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:01,599 >> Yes, Chad, if you can come up. 977 00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:18,550 >> Thank you, Chad. 978 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,560 » I think it's the back. Yeah. 979 00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:22,160 >> Yeah. 980 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,160 >> To answer your question, the roof colors 981 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:25,280 have been updated. 982 00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:25,680 >> Thank you. 983 00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:27,920 >> So for any option, uh whether it's 984 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,200 existing two or three, uh we have more 985 00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:32,720 accurate depiction of the colors both in 986 00:40:32,720 --> 00:40:35,119 the stucco, the roof, etc. So there's 987 00:40:35,119 --> 00:40:37,200 more uniformity in that way as well. 988 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,320 >> Okay. Thank you. Um 989 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,800 correct me if I'm wrong. I I guess I see 990 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,200 us moving forward in two different ways, 991 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:48,560 but this is my perspective is um 992 00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:50,000 planning commission has worked really 993 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:54,160 hard on the small area plan and I think 994 00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,000 either we 995 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,560 wait until we have that approved so that 996 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:02,400 we have this brand new remodeled fire 997 00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,359 station to be an example to the rest of 998 00:41:05,359 --> 00:41:07,760 the city of what we want our historic 999 00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:10,240 area to be. And so we get that all 1000 00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:12,400 buttoned up and then we follow those 1001 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,599 guidelines and revise some of the 1002 00:41:15,599 --> 00:41:18,400 exterior. Um I think option three 1003 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,800 actually falls in line pretty well with 1004 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,480 some of those recommendations in our new 1005 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:25,440 small area plan. I understand that like 1006 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:27,839 I think Councilwoman Henman had 1007 00:41:27,839 --> 00:41:29,440 mentioned that we're giving you a moving 1008 00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:32,560 target which I I recognize is you know 1009 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,599 challenging but that's one option is 1010 00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,480 that we wait until that's taken care of 1011 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,760 or we go through every little change 1012 00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,640 until we can come to consensus here and 1013 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:48,000 the categories I see us maybe discussing 1014 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:50,640 this evening or in the near future are 1015 00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:52,160 you know the vestibule do we want that 1016 00:41:52,160 --> 00:41:53,280 to be gabled 1017 00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:54,880 Do we want that to mirror what we have 1018 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,319 at at the city building? Um, brick, 1019 00:41:58,319 --> 00:42:00,560 where does the brick go? Um, the roof 1020 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,960 color, window embellishments. Those are 1021 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,640 kind of like the four categories of 1022 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,960 things that I see would be altered or 1023 00:42:06,960 --> 00:42:09,920 changed. So, I guess I don't know what 1024 00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:11,680 the best way to proceed forward is, but 1025 00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,920 those are just in my mind the two ways 1026 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,390 we can move forward. 1027 00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:20,400 So, just so that everyone understands 1028 00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:22,560 moving forward, 1029 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,079 six weeks ago, we approved the original 1030 00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:29,599 um exterior look and feel and we went 1031 00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,000 forward with the bids. So, no matter 1032 00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,079 what we do and no matter what you guys 1033 00:42:34,079 --> 00:42:35,839 select, because you did change it at the 1034 00:42:35,839 --> 00:42:37,680 last minute in the last city council 1035 00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,440 meeting, 1036 00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:42,480 >> um that it is going to be a change order 1037 00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:44,880 no matter what. And so keep that in mind 1038 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:46,800 so that if we change anything, whether 1039 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:48,880 it's gabled or straight, if you change 1040 00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:50,480 it from the original plans that they 1041 00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,560 went for bid on, it needs to go through 1042 00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:54,640 engineering again also. It's not just 1043 00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,839 material change. It's not Chad's 1044 00:42:57,839 --> 00:42:59,680 brilliant and he can make things look 1045 00:42:59,680 --> 00:43:01,680 like this, but then it needs to go 1046 00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:02,800 through engineering. So if you're 1047 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,680 putting brick up above the bay windows, 1048 00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,200 they mentioned last time that we would 1049 00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,960 have to go through engineering also for 1050 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,040 that. It would have to be engineered to 1051 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:14,480 be able to hold bricks on top. So it is 1052 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,480 I know the minor changes that you guys 1053 00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,560 were suggesting before was thinking oh 1054 00:43:18,560 --> 00:43:20,160 it's not going to be that much of a cost 1055 00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,520 difference but I think anyone that has 1056 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:26,000 um gone through this kind of a 1057 00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:28,640 construction process realize that it is 1058 00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,319 going to be a significant change in the 1059 00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:33,119 amounts. So we will we will be outside 1060 00:43:33,119 --> 00:43:36,319 of the guaranteed maximum price. So 1061 00:43:36,319 --> 00:43:40,079 Chad, with that in mind, how like how 1062 00:43:40,079 --> 00:43:41,520 much more extensive is the engineering 1063 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,760 to add brick veneer above that? Can you 1064 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:47,119 maybe help me understand that process or 1065 00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:48,480 what that entails? 1066 00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:50,319 >> Sure. So uh again, I believe 1067 00:43:50,319 --> 00:43:53,200 transparency. Uh I wonder where I'm 1068 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:54,880 going with this, but bear with me. 1069 00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:56,079 There's the Wayne's code around the 1070 00:43:56,079 --> 00:43:57,680 community center that's actually a thin 1071 00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:00,240 brick, so it doesn't require as much 1072 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:01,599 structural support. It's applied on like 1073 00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:04,160 a tile in a sense. The reason we had to 1074 00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:05,200 choose that for the community center 1075 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:06,560 specifically is there's some existing 1076 00:44:06,560 --> 00:44:08,240 door jambs that enter into the apparatus 1077 00:44:08,240 --> 00:44:09,680 bay that if we were to put the full 1078 00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:12,240 brick those doors would not operate. So 1079 00:44:12,240 --> 00:44:14,000 that's an option to go over the doors if 1080 00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:16,240 over the bay doors if needed. I don't 1081 00:44:16,240 --> 00:44:17,599 prefer that route because it can fall 1082 00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:19,520 off and chip and there's not not as good 1083 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:20,720 maintenance, but we were forced to do 1084 00:44:20,720 --> 00:44:21,920 that on the community center. So that's 1085 00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:24,319 an option. If we did go with the full 1086 00:44:24,319 --> 00:44:26,240 brick veneer, which would be a typical 3 1087 00:44:26,240 --> 00:44:28,240 and 58 brick, you would typically have a 1088 00:44:28,240 --> 00:44:29,520 ledger of some type that would span 1089 00:44:29,520 --> 00:44:31,200 those openings. So that's something we 1090 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:32,560 coordinate with the strual engineer to 1091 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:33,839 determine and upgrade our details 1092 00:44:33,839 --> 00:44:36,640 accordingly. The gable of the roof is 1093 00:44:36,640 --> 00:44:37,680 probably the most significant 1094 00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,760 engineering change as of now just 1095 00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:41,520 because it's existing building. There's 1096 00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:42,880 existing things we have to do to to 1097 00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:44,640 change it. Um not the end of the world 1098 00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:48,160 but something to consider. Um you 1099 00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:49,359 mentioned adding a break around those 1100 00:44:49,359 --> 00:44:50,800 three tall window areas. That's the day 1101 00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:52,079 room and dining kitchen area. I think 1102 00:44:52,079 --> 00:44:53,760 that could pretty minimal. Um but 1103 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,680 there's still a small ledger needed over 1104 00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:58,640 those three openings. So something to 1105 00:44:58,640 --> 00:44:59,920 consider. 1106 00:44:59,920 --> 00:45:01,680 Thank you. I think just in conclusion 1107 00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:04,480 for me, if it takes a little bit longer, 1108 00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,480 but we 1109 00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:10,480 the end product is something that we all 1110 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,560 like then and it fits in within our 1111 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,800 plans, I'm I'm in favor of that. But 1112 00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:16,640 >> and just to be transparent again, 1113 00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:17,839 everything you see here in terms of 1114 00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:19,119 options one, two, and three, that was 1115 00:45:19,119 --> 00:45:21,200 done as a as a quick schematic. This 1116 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,200 hasn't been documented and drawn to the 1117 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,040 level it would need to. So any decision 1118 00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:26,800 or variance from what would be would be 1119 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:32,681 some type of a design duration change. 1120 00:45:32,691 --> 00:45:33,040 [cough] 1121 00:45:33,040 --> 00:45:34,160 >> Excuse [clears throat] me. 1122 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:37,680 >> Um let's see. 1123 00:45:37,680 --> 00:45:41,200 I think u my primary concern um is not 1124 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,119 necessarily 1125 00:45:43,119 --> 00:45:47,839 uh with the detail but like I feel like 1126 00:45:47,839 --> 00:45:52,319 we need to um have a process so that at 1127 00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:55,599 the end result we can point to this 1128 00:45:55,599 --> 00:45:57,839 building since we don't build very many 1129 00:45:57,839 --> 00:46:00,319 buildings in the city of Alpine as an 1130 00:46:00,319 --> 00:46:02,160 example leading the way for what we else 1131 00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:03,520 we'd like to see in the commercial 1132 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:09,359 district and so um That's a huge um 1133 00:46:09,359 --> 00:46:12,960 motivation for me to to evaluate what 1134 00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,280 has been presented based on um what our 1135 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:18,400 planning commission is thinking. Um and 1136 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:20,400 so I don't know how to reconcile those 1137 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:24,000 without approving um 1138 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:25,359 something and going through the whole 1139 00:46:25,359 --> 00:46:29,200 change order process. So my my um 1140 00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,440 question for you then is given the 1141 00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:33,440 timeline like you have to dig foundation 1142 00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:35,440 and do all these things and to change 1143 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,680 anything on the outside like what would 1144 00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:40,400 be the timeline to like to get onto the 1145 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,400 same page with our planning commission 1146 00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,319 so that we're like all on the same page 1147 00:46:44,319 --> 00:46:46,480 so that this this building will stand as 1148 00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:48,720 a an example to the future development 1149 00:46:48,720 --> 00:46:51,119 over the next decade. Like are you 1150 00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:52,960 saying like a week or like do we have a 1151 00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,960 30 days or what would be your ideal 1152 00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:57,040 timeline to like wrap it up with a bow 1153 00:46:57,040 --> 00:46:59,440 back to where you you have there's no 1154 00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:01,839 questions 1155 00:47:01,839 --> 00:47:02,960 >> with respect if you don't mind I'm going 1156 00:47:02,960 --> 00:47:04,079 to rephrase your question the way I 1157 00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:05,040 think you're asking it. 1158 00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:05,520 >> Go ahead. 1159 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:06,960 >> What would be needed in order to 1160 00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,040 continue the current schedule of 1161 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:10,960 construction without any delay and still 1162 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,800 make any necessary changes? 1163 00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,800 >> Yes, 1164 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,640 >> I would say three to four weeks is a 1165 00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:18,800 guess. And the reason that's concerning 1166 00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:20,800 mostly is if something changes like you 1167 00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:21,920 mentioned to the footing and foundations 1168 00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,280 that would require around this around 1169 00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,720 the gable area with any type of 1170 00:47:24,720 --> 00:47:26,400 structure added columns that would be in 1171 00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:27,920 addition to what we have now. 1172 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:28,400 >> Okay. 1173 00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:30,000 >> Things like veneers and things that 1174 00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,079 don't require ledgers and weights, we 1175 00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:34,560 have much more considerable time if 1176 00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,319 construction were to continue. And but 1177 00:47:36,319 --> 00:47:39,040 again, anything like mayor said um in 1178 00:47:39,040 --> 00:47:40,480 order to facilitate the dates of bidding 1179 00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:42,480 that we put out there, we're going to a 1180 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:43,760 change order process. I understand the 1181 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:46,319 change order process opens us up to a 1182 00:47:46,319 --> 00:47:48,720 change in price. 1183 00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:51,280 Hopefully downward in price, but that 1184 00:47:51,280 --> 00:47:53,359 probably won't happen. 1185 00:47:53,359 --> 00:47:55,599 It could though if we choose a a less 1186 00:47:55,599 --> 00:47:58,400 expensive material, but maybe not. I 1187 00:47:58,400 --> 00:47:59,920 know that's not realistic, so I won't 1188 00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:04,079 even go there. So, um given that um I 1189 00:48:04,079 --> 00:48:06,960 personally, if you want to know my uh 1190 00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:10,960 preference would be I don't um I don't 1191 00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,160 Okay, I'm going to say one more thing 1192 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:13,520 and then I'll [music] say my personal 1193 00:48:13,520 --> 00:48:15,839 preference. I um was on the school board 1194 00:48:15,839 --> 00:48:17,839 before and I shared some photos out of 1195 00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:19,920 outside of this meeting, but it was a 1196 00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:21,599 school that was built in this community 1197 00:48:21,599 --> 00:48:23,680 and when we saw the finished product, we 1198 00:48:23,680 --> 00:48:25,920 were like, "Yeah, based on the drawing, 1199 00:48:25,920 --> 00:48:27,680 we didn't really understand that we were 1200 00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:29,280 going to have certain elements there 1201 00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:32,079 that were undesirable." So, luckily in a 1202 00:48:32,079 --> 00:48:33,839 school, we we just take the same plan 1203 00:48:33,839 --> 00:48:36,319 and we revise it and revise it till, you 1204 00:48:36,319 --> 00:48:39,280 know, we get, I guess, a better version. 1205 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,920 And um unfortunately like the the 1206 00:48:41,920 --> 00:48:43,680 building was under construction so no 1207 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:45,200 changes could be made but as your 1208 00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,440 partner said last time like we're still 1209 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,079 in the drafting part so if changes are 1210 00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:52,400 to be made is now and not six months 1211 00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:56,640 from now like making any changes to the 1212 00:48:56,640 --> 00:49:00,400 exterior. So um through that process 1213 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:02,400 what we did was in the in the school 1214 00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,280 district is we removed that um the the 1215 00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:06,800 thing that we didn't the I don't even 1216 00:49:06,800 --> 00:49:08,079 know what to call it. it was just like 1217 00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:10,559 paneling on the exterior and we just uh 1218 00:49:10,559 --> 00:49:12,880 built it the next version of the same 1219 00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,119 school with brick and then everybody 1220 00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:16,880 seemed happier. So I'm glad that we're 1221 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:18,960 having this discussion in the paper 1222 00:49:18,960 --> 00:49:21,119 phase and not when we're watching it 1223 00:49:21,119 --> 00:49:24,720 rise up from the ground. So um I I 1224 00:49:24,720 --> 00:49:26,720 really liked the original design and I 1225 00:49:26,720 --> 00:49:29,440 have no real issues with it. The primary 1226 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:32,319 concern was that um going forward the 1227 00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:33,599 planning commission feels pretty 1228 00:49:33,599 --> 00:49:36,079 strongly that we don't have faux wood 1229 00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:39,520 and I I don't I didn't I'm not sure if 1230 00:49:39,520 --> 00:49:40,720 we're all in agreement with that or 1231 00:49:40,720 --> 00:49:43,760 where we're going to end up. So, um I 1232 00:49:43,760 --> 00:49:46,880 prefer that we go forward and then go 1233 00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:50,240 take the next three weeks with a buffer 1234 00:49:50,240 --> 00:49:52,480 of an extra week if we need it to give 1235 00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,880 you an act exact change order working in 1236 00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,400 combination with our planning 1237 00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,119 commission. And we'd also have time at 1238 00:49:59,119 --> 00:50:00,400 maybe I know you sat through a lot of 1239 00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:02,640 meetings to do the small area plan if we 1240 00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:04,079 went through the actual guidelines that 1241 00:50:04,079 --> 00:50:05,440 are going to determine what our 1242 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:10,000 commercial buildings look like. It would be in al in alignment with the 1243 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:11,599 new guidelines. We gave you the old 1244 00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:13,119 guidelines. 1245 00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:14,800 >> Just to confirm the small area plan 1246 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:16,480 you're referring to, that's what the 1247 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:20,000 commission is basing the review on 1248 00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,079 currently. 1249 00:50:22,079 --> 00:50:23,200 >> The planning commission. 1250 00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:23,839 >> Yes. 1251 00:50:23,839 --> 00:50:25,920 >> These were the same these were they gave 1252 00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:27,839 us. So, the small area plan, they gave 1253 00:50:27,839 --> 00:50:30,240 us some specific um edits that they 1254 00:50:30,240 --> 00:50:32,720 would like to see and they mirror what 1255 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:34,720 was given to us for this building. 1256 00:50:34,720 --> 00:50:35,200 >> I see. 1257 00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,520 >> They're not exact because they need to 1258 00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:38,960 be more flexible because 1259 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:39,680 >> that was new 1260 00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:41,040 >> of a short timeline 1261 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:42,559 >> based on the planning commissioner view, 1262 00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:44,240 not based on the historic downtown 1263 00:50:44,240 --> 00:50:44,880 guidelines. 1264 00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,280 >> We do have the chairman of the planning 1265 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,440 commission here. We Alan, do you want to 1266 00:50:49,440 --> 00:50:54,300 come up and kind of address that? 1267 00:50:54,300 --> 00:50:54,720 [laughter] 1268 00:50:54,720 --> 00:50:56,240 >> Doesn't seem to want to. While it's 1269 00:50:56,240 --> 00:50:59,280 coming up, it's also both both both the 1270 00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:00,880 current version of the small area plan, 1271 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,280 the draft and the prior allow brick 1272 00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,520 >> and wood and 1273 00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:09,040 >> others other materials 1274 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:11,040 >> a few others masonry or something. 1275 00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:12,960 >> So the brick was allowed under both 1276 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:14,800 there was no faux wood mentioned in 1277 00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:15,839 either. 1278 00:51:15,839 --> 00:51:19,510 >> Okay. 1279 00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:20,240 » In the 1280 00:51:20,240 --> 00:51:20,640 >> I'm sorry. 1281 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,640 >> Can you clarify what you mean? In the 1282 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,559 gateway historic there is a section that 1283 00:51:24,559 --> 00:51:27,680 talks about and other like materials 1284 00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:29,040 >> like materials. Okay. 1285 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:32,319 >> And that's what that's how it fits. So 1286 00:51:32,319 --> 00:51:35,119 just so that everyone's on the same page 1287 00:51:35,119 --> 00:51:37,599 when we originally met with Babcock 1288 00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:40,160 Design 1289 00:51:40,160 --> 00:51:42,240 because the small area plan was still a 1290 00:51:42,240 --> 00:51:45,680 moving target. We asked them to do it 1291 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:48,160 for our current historic guidelines that 1292 00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,599 we had. So they went through it gave you 1293 00:51:51,599 --> 00:51:53,280 know this was back in what January 1294 00:51:53,280 --> 00:51:55,520 February gave you know three different 1295 00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,880 choices or elevations to um planning 1296 00:51:58,880 --> 00:52:00,880 commission you guys went through it 1297 00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:04,319 approved um can you go back to the one 1298 00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:08,240 the original and um approve that one 1299 00:52:08,240 --> 00:52:12,079 based on our current historic guidelines 1300 00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:15,280 and then um so I'd kind of like to know 1301 00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:17,200 um I know some some of them have 1302 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:19,200 listened to planning planning commission 1303 00:52:19,200 --> 00:52:21,599 and what happened in there. Ellen, if 1304 00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:24,880 you can kind of give us a summary of 1305 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:26,480 um 1306 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:28,160 you [clears throat] know what planning 1307 00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,800 commission would like to see in this 1308 00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:34,240 fire station building and what um the 1309 00:52:34,240 --> 00:52:35,920 recommendations 1310 00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:46,870 were based out of. 1311 00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:48,640 This is a new experience standing right 1312 00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:49,920 here. 1313 00:52:49,920 --> 00:52:51,200 >> A little more intimidating than sitting 1314 00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:53,920 up there. Carlin, keep in my chair. 1315 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,040 >> Actually, I think you loan it to me 1316 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:56,559 sometime. So, okay, let's jump in the 1317 00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:58,480 wayback machine here just for a second. 1318 00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,920 Not going to take too long of a period 1319 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:02,880 of time, right? Um but, uh I've been on 1320 00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:04,800 the planning commission for about 10 1321 00:53:04,800 --> 00:53:07,520 years now and I think the chair for two 1322 00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:13,599 or three or whenever, you know, Jane had enough. Um, a consistent complaint 1323 00:53:13,599 --> 00:53:16,640 that we have heard is that our 1324 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,160 development up and down the Gateway 1325 00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,640 Historic District, the Gateway Historic 1326 00:53:20,640 --> 00:53:21,920 Corridor, right, which we all know is 1327 00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:24,960 Main Street basically, is uh, a 1328 00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:26,960 hodgepodge. I mean, all you really need 1329 00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,680 to do is take a look at our town square 1330 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:32,000 and um, you know, predated I think any 1331 00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:35,280 of us there either on commission or on 1332 00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,040 council. So, let's throw a lot of 1333 00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,160 stones. But based on the guidelines that 1334 00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:42,640 we have currently in the Gateway 1335 00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,359 Historic District, uh, every single one 1336 00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:47,520 of those very mismatched buildings, now 1337 00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:50,319 that's just my opinion, um, in, for 1338 00:53:50,319 --> 00:53:52,880 example, the town square fit within 1339 00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,119 those guidelines. Even though it looks 1340 00:53:55,119 --> 00:53:57,760 like a mishmash, um I understand also 1341 00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,200 that you're not going to please all the 1342 00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,599 people all the time, but uh a goal that 1343 00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:03,760 we have had in planning commission is to 1344 00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,880 streamline those 1345 00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,160 exterior material guidelines that we 1346 00:54:10,160 --> 00:54:13,200 have to just make it a little more 1347 00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:14,960 simple, right? So we looked at various 1348 00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,200 things like mountain modern, you know, 1349 00:54:17,200 --> 00:54:21,920 like what maybe Park City does. Um and there were others, right? Ultimately 1350 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,160 what we have settled on and this is 1351 00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,880 somewhat of an unofficial uh term but 1352 00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:30,079 more or less Utah historic right a 1353 00:54:30,079 --> 00:54:35,280 little more simple um red brick tall 1354 00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,400 rectangular windows you know preferably 1355 00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:42,800 black framed um usage of timber for 1356 00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:46,480 example to perhaps brace um porch 1357 00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:48,480 coverings or or other architectural 1358 00:54:48,480 --> 00:54:50,960 guidelines like that right 1359 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,839 The issue is then that implementing 1360 00:54:53,839 --> 00:54:57,520 that. So about the time that that that 1361 00:54:57,520 --> 00:55:00,880 we'd been thinking about revising the 1362 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:03,920 gateway historic district architectural 1363 00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:06,319 guidelines um the city received the 1364 00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:08,640 grant for the small area plan. Now the 1365 00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:10,880 small area plan is will help you know 1366 00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:12,880 it's not a binding document but it will 1367 00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:16,640 help us as a planning commission to uh 1368 00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:20,559 take whatever those recommendations are 1369 00:55:20,559 --> 00:55:23,760 that end up in the final version of that 1370 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:27,040 small area plan to take those and then 1371 00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,920 amend and ultimately recommend to the 1372 00:55:29,920 --> 00:55:33,280 city council amendments or revisions to 1373 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:35,520 that gateway historic plan. Okay. So 1374 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:37,280 that's where we find ourselves in a 1375 00:55:37,280 --> 00:55:39,520 little bit of limbo because while that's 1376 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,599 going on, 1377 00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:44,000 we fortunately or unfortunately are 1378 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,440 sitting here trying to debate the 1379 00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:49,760 exterior building materials of probably 1380 00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,359 a 50y old building, right? What's what's 1381 00:55:53,359 --> 00:55:54,960 basically we're going to like Chrissy 1382 00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:57,520 said, Council Member, sorry, you're my 1383 00:55:57,520 --> 00:55:58,880 back door neighbor. Council member 1384 00:55:58,880 --> 00:56:01,040 Hanaman, want to give you due respect. 1385 00:56:01,040 --> 00:56:07,750 um is that um 1386 00:56:07,760 --> 00:56:09,440 we don't build that many buildings in 1387 00:56:09,440 --> 00:56:11,440 Alpine. So yeah, as a planning 1388 00:56:11,440 --> 00:56:13,280 commission, we definitely wanted to get 1389 00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:14,799 that one right. And the recommendation 1390 00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:16,400 that we've made after a lot of back and 1391 00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,319 forth on planning commission was to 1392 00:56:18,319 --> 00:56:20,000 simplify the materials and there's 1393 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:21,359 somewhere in that email back and forth, 1394 00:56:21,359 --> 00:56:24,000 but it's to the extent of to take the 1395 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:25,920 current architectural guidelines, 1396 00:56:25,920 --> 00:56:27,760 material guidelines, streamline them 1397 00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:30,319 down to what we talked about, right? red 1398 00:56:30,319 --> 00:56:33,200 brick, um types of windows we talked 1399 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:35,200 about, perhaps some timber, but just 1400 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,640 something looks a little more Utah 1401 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:38,319 traditional. So, we've made that 1402 00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:41,839 recommendation to the city council, uh 1403 00:56:41,839 --> 00:56:44,319 visa v the small area plan, and I'm just 1404 00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:47,359 not sure of town. So, I'm not sure where 1405 00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:49,680 the council is on taking up that 1406 00:56:49,680 --> 00:56:52,960 particular part of the small area plan. 1407 00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:54,640 It we ate it, you know, it was a big 1408 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:56,079 elephant, right? But we ate it in about 1409 00:56:56,079 --> 00:56:58,400 four or five bites, I think, over a 1410 00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,559 couple of months. and then have and then 1411 00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:02,799 each time tabled it and then vomited out 1412 00:57:02,799 --> 00:57:05,119 a big long document onto the council. 1413 00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:07,359 So, not quite sure how you're going to 1414 00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:09,040 ultimately tackle that. 1415 00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:10,640 >> You know, we're trying to take it in 1416 00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:12,400 bites as we have time during the meeting 1417 00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:15,520 like here we have it, you know, um after 1418 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:17,520 planned after the action items going 1419 00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:19,280 over a section of it. So, we're trying 1420 00:57:19,280 --> 00:57:21,440 to kind of do it the same way. But I 1421 00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:24,000 guess um the hard thing for me is we 1422 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,480 gave a directive to our designers and 1423 00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,720 architect base it on our current 1424 00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:30,400 standards because that's what we would 1425 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,440 have anybody else do that is coming up 1426 00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:36,640 and has um a site plan coming in. And 1427 00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,720 then in the current his gateway historic 1428 00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,640 design standards it says you know the 1429 00:57:42,640 --> 00:57:45,040 use of stone, brick, wood, stucco is 1430 00:57:45,040 --> 00:57:47,200 encouraged as primary exterior material. 1431 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,680 And then it says innovative use of other 1432 00:57:49,680 --> 00:57:51,359 materials that mimic the primary 1433 00:57:51,359 --> 00:57:54,880 exterior exterior materials listed may 1434 00:57:54,880 --> 00:57:58,079 be considered which I feel like Babcock 1435 00:57:58,079 --> 00:58:00,559 Design did right. They're using all the 1436 00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:02,240 materials that are outlined in our 1437 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,880 gateway historic. Um they're not using 1438 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:06,880 real wood. they chose to do an 1439 00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:10,480 industrial um faux wood that it would be 1440 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:13,119 less um maintenance and it would be 1441 00:58:13,119 --> 00:58:15,359 easier to maintain so that you wouldn't 1442 00:58:15,359 --> 00:58:16,960 have to stain the wood every year to 1443 00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:26,319 make it look nice and um whatnot. So, I feel like it's I understand um 1444 00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:28,880 where 1445 00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,520 I could see where um planning 1446 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:33,280 commissioner wants this building to kind 1447 00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,040 of be like, "Oh, we want our buildings 1448 00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,440 to look like that." 1449 00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,200 But when we were first meeting with them 1450 00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,280 and coming up with the design, because 1451 00:58:41,280 --> 00:58:43,520 it was a moving target, we had no idea 1452 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,720 where it was going to land. And so, we 1453 00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,319 couldn't move forward with the design of 1454 00:58:48,319 --> 00:58:50,240 the building. And the only thing that we 1455 00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:52,240 did have was what was already approved 1456 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,280 and canon already. Right? This is what 1457 00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,680 has been. And so we said go over this 1458 00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:59,359 and make sure that you're in with our 1459 00:58:59,359 --> 00:59:04,240 current historic guidelines. And so um 1460 00:59:04,240 --> 00:59:06,240 so that's I feel like that's where that 1461 00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,280 is. And then for me I do I appreciate 1462 00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:11,440 what planning commission does. I feel 1463 00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:12,960 the same way that Chrissy does that you 1464 00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:14,720 guys are the gatekeepers of what our 1465 00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,880 main street should look like. 1466 00:59:16,880 --> 00:59:20,480 Um, but I feel like the timing of it has 1467 00:59:20,480 --> 00:59:22,319 just kind of imploded. Everything that 1468 00:59:22,319 --> 00:59:24,160 we've been working on is the only thing 1469 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:27,040 that is difficult for me that is trying 1470 00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:31,359 to um have a project move forward. 1471 00:59:31,359 --> 00:59:34,480 >> Well, that since I was the one who Oh, 1472 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:35,760 you finished. Did you have something to 1473 00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:37,280 Yeah, just just one last thing and and 1474 00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:38,960 mayor, what I would say is and I don't 1475 00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,040 know if if y'all had a chance to listen 1476 00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,280 to planning commission, it was probably 1477 00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:45,440 not as fun as the latest Netflix series 1478 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,760 or anything. I totally get that. 1479 00:59:47,760 --> 00:59:49,520 >> But what's that? 1480 00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:50,799 >> We love it. 1481 00:59:50,799 --> 00:59:55,920 >> I bet you do. Um but uh we specifically 1482 00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,240 discussed mayor the fact that we did not 1483 00:59:58,240 --> 01:00:01,520 necessarily know the timeline nor did we 1484 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:04,880 know the budgetary constraints or where 1485 01:00:04,880 --> 01:00:08,240 the city was in the bid process. So we 1486 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,000 specifically indicated although it is 1487 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:12,559 not in the motion that uh while these 1488 01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:14,160 are the recommendations that we will 1489 01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:17,280 make to city council we understand that 1490 01:00:17,280 --> 01:00:19,760 the cake may already be somewhat baked. 1491 01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:21,359 Right. Again, understanding we don't 1492 01:00:21,359 --> 01:00:23,119 know the timeline, we don't know the 1493 01:00:23,119 --> 01:00:24,640 budget. These were merely 1494 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,400 recommendations. But as a planning 1495 01:00:26,400 --> 01:00:29,200 commission, we were very sensitive and 1496 01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:33,200 sympathetic to the fact that the 1497 01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:35,839 architectural plans were based on the 1498 01:00:35,839 --> 01:00:38,559 existing guidelines that are in the 1499 01:00:38,559 --> 01:00:42,160 gateway historic uh um architectural or 1500 01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:43,599 whatever. So many different names, I 1501 01:00:43,599 --> 01:00:45,359 forget them all. But but we were very 1502 01:00:45,359 --> 01:00:47,040 sensitive to the fact that there may 1503 01:00:47,040 --> 01:00:49,520 already have been budgeting decisions 1504 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:52,240 and timeline decisions that would not 1505 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,599 necessarily permit the recommendations 1506 01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:58,160 of the planning commission to uh be 1507 01:00:58,160 --> 01:01:00,079 completely adopted. So we did understand 1508 01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:00,720 that. 1509 01:01:00,720 --> 01:01:02,480 >> Thank you. I appreciate that. So my 1510 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:07,359 proposal was to uh to um move forward as 1511 01:01:07,359 --> 01:01:10,319 is and give ourselves a hard stop, not a 1512 01:01:10,319 --> 01:01:12,799 moving target, but a hard stop to say 1513 01:01:12,799 --> 01:01:15,119 within 21 days we will have a change 1514 01:01:15,119 --> 01:01:16,880 order or we won't have a change order if 1515 01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:19,200 we can't agree. But I would like to open 1516 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,359 the window. So I don't want to slow them 1517 01:01:21,359 --> 01:01:23,359 down, but approve the site plan that we 1518 01:01:23,359 --> 01:01:25,599 all looked at and all approved, you 1519 01:01:25,599 --> 01:01:28,960 know, a little a ways back. And then if 1520 01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:31,599 we could meet with you guys and not not 1521 01:01:31,599 --> 01:01:33,920 just this is not this is not the only 1522 01:01:33,920 --> 01:01:36,240 but come together on what the small area 1523 01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:38,480 plan guidelines will be run them through 1524 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,200 run our new project through it in a very 1525 01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,040 compressed timeline so that we don't 1526 01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:45,200 hold anything up but I know that that 1527 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:47,359 opens the door to like Alan says that 1528 01:01:47,359 --> 01:01:49,440 opens the door to that we may be in a 1529 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,280 different budget but maybe the the 1530 01:01:51,280 --> 01:01:53,839 timeline would be the same. So, are we 1531 01:01:53,839 --> 01:01:58,160 all so both Chad are we okay with the 21 1532 01:01:58,160 --> 01:02:00,799 days? Do we have that? 1533 01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:02,400 >> Thank you, Alan. I really appreciate you 1534 01:02:02,400 --> 01:02:06,630 coming. Um, [clears throat] 1535 01:02:06,640 --> 01:02:07,359 » yes, please. 1536 01:02:07,359 --> 01:02:09,680 >> Yes, because it's really exciting. 1537 01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:10,880 >> It's better than Netflix. 1538 01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,119 >> I had one question to if I can ask 1539 01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:14,480 after. It doesn't have to be now. It's 1540 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:15,040 not my turn. 1541 01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:15,680 >> She asked a question. 1542 01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:16,799 >> Is it regarding this? 1543 01:02:16,799 --> 01:02:17,119 >> Yeah. 1544 01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:17,920 >> Oh, yeah. Then go ahead. 1545 01:02:17,920 --> 01:02:19,680 >> I just Allan, do you can you speak to I 1546 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,520 I'm not clear. I watched it. I did love 1547 01:02:21,520 --> 01:02:23,280 it. I appreciate all the care you take. 1548 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,000 I really do. All of you guys. They do it 1549 01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:28,480 for as a service. It's amazing. We need 1550 01:02:28,480 --> 01:02:29,680 more people like you guys. 1551 01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:33,280 >> No, we do it for the big paycheck. 1552 01:02:33,280 --> 01:02:34,559 >> That was his joke. 1553 01:02:34,559 --> 01:02:35,520 >> That was a joke. 1554 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,680 >> I know. I know. When you say no faux 1555 01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,839 wood, is it was your impression from the 1556 01:02:39,839 --> 01:02:42,799 planning commission that you meant no 1557 01:02:42,799 --> 01:02:44,880 wood altogether or just fake wood? I 1558 01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:46,240 never I couldn't determine that from 1559 01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,480 your guys' conversation. No faux wood in 1560 01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:50,079 the sense that there are ceramic 1561 01:02:50,079 --> 01:02:51,839 materials out there that mimic wood, 1562 01:02:51,839 --> 01:02:53,440 hardy board, those types of things. 1563 01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,119 We're trying to get away from 1564 01:02:55,119 --> 01:02:57,440 >> any synthetic woods, faux woods, 1565 01:02:57,440 --> 01:02:59,599 >> but was real woody in your mind? 1566 01:02:59,599 --> 01:03:01,200 >> For sure. Yes, I think we I I think we 1567 01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:02,559 did mention I think we did mention 1568 01:03:02,559 --> 01:03:03,200 timber. 1569 01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:05,200 >> Thank you. Okay, that helps a lot. 1570 01:03:05,200 --> 01:03:06,559 >> Yes. 1571 01:03:06,559 --> 01:03:07,920 >> Thank you. 1572 01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:10,799 >> And mayor, I have an input on the 21day 1573 01:03:10,799 --> 01:03:13,119 suggestion if you're if you're 1574 01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:15,200 addressing now. 1575 01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:17,200 >> Um I 1576 01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,359 to ex um just correct me if I'm wrong. 1577 01:03:19,359 --> 01:03:22,400 What I understood is as long as it's not 1578 01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:24,799 dealing with the foundation that it 1579 01:03:24,799 --> 01:03:27,200 wouldn't slow down or the structure of 1580 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,760 it that it doesn't slow down any of the 1581 01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,079 timeline that it's you know a veneer can 1582 01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:35,599 be decided on and then changed out 1583 01:03:35,599 --> 01:03:37,440 without slowing down the process. Is 1584 01:03:37,440 --> 01:03:41,190 that accurate? 1585 01:03:41,200 --> 01:03:43,920 » Uh you're 100% accurate. as long as that 1586 01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,559 veneer or material we're changing it to 1587 01:03:46,559 --> 01:03:48,000 doesn't require a structural support 1588 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,799 like a standard brick. Um, and like I 1589 01:03:50,799 --> 01:03:52,720 mentioned, the one thing that gives me 1590 01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,880 pause is that gabled roof with any type 1591 01:03:54,880 --> 01:03:56,000 of associated structure that would 1592 01:03:56,000 --> 01:03:57,920 transfer down to the foundations. But 1593 01:03:57,920 --> 01:03:59,680 beyond that, no. So, I don't think the 1594 01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:01,760 21 days is a compromise outside of those 1595 01:04:01,760 --> 01:04:02,880 considerations. 1596 01:04:02,880 --> 01:04:04,720 >> Yeah. I I guess the other thing I would 1597 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:06,640 Oh, sorry. The other thing I would say 1598 01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:08,559 would be the the procurement of the 1599 01:04:08,559 --> 01:04:10,240 material. So depending on what we change 1600 01:04:10,240 --> 01:04:15,119 it to, some of those can get really long. So it could take 12, 18, 24 1601 01:04:15,119 --> 01:04:16,960 weeks to get that stuff. So then that's 1602 01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:18,079 just something that we need to keep in 1603 01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:19,440 mind that if we're going to change it to 1604 01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:20,720 something else, we we need to make sure 1605 01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,960 that that that time frame falls within 1606 01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:24,640 our schedule. Otherwise, it would extend 1607 01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:25,520 the schedule out. 1608 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,280 >> So you have to keep in mind that their 1609 01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:30,640 time timeline shows that the addition 1610 01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:33,839 will be done in December and then that 1611 01:04:33,839 --> 01:04:35,920 the um community center portion will be 1612 01:04:35,920 --> 01:04:38,000 done in May. So, it's a very very tight 1613 01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,400 timeline that they're working on. 1614 01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:42,079 >> Um, and that's why we're working with 1615 01:04:42,079 --> 01:04:43,760 them. They've done this over, you know, 1616 01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:45,920 many times over and they have it down to 1617 01:04:45,920 --> 01:04:48,640 a science and it's very very tight. So, 1618 01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:49,839 we just need to make sure that we're 1619 01:04:49,839 --> 01:04:50,400 working 1620 01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:51,920 >> with that information. Haven't we 1621 01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:53,440 already selected or didn't you all 1622 01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:54,880 already select the brick? And I'm 1623 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:57,039 assuming that the brick you chose would 1624 01:04:57,039 --> 01:04:59,039 meet the deliverable deliverable with 1625 01:04:59,039 --> 01:05:02,000 the timeline. So, I believe in the last 1626 01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,160 council meeting, one of the asks as part 1627 01:05:04,160 --> 01:05:07,760 of the motion was just changing the wood 1628 01:05:07,760 --> 01:05:11,119 cladding to a brick on the kitchen/day 1629 01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:13,680 room. And then if we can't because of 1630 01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:16,559 engineering do the gable over the three 1631 01:05:16,559 --> 01:05:19,520 doors because of an engineering issue, 1632 01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:21,920 there's other design elements. You can 1633 01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:24,319 paint the gable a similar color of the 1634 01:05:24,319 --> 01:05:27,440 brick so it actually looks like it's all 1635 01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,640 one continuous brick piece. So, I think 1636 01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,440 there's ways to move forward without any 1637 01:05:33,440 --> 01:05:36,720 holdup and you just select items I'm 1638 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,640 sure that you're already working with 1639 01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:41,200 that can be delivered on time. you just 1640 01:05:41,200 --> 01:05:43,359 would need to order more brick because 1641 01:05:43,359 --> 01:05:45,920 it seems like consistently what planning 1642 01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:47,839 commission is asking and what we 1643 01:05:47,839 --> 01:05:51,359 discussed last meeting was was just 1644 01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:53,839 replacing the cladding for brick, adding 1645 01:05:53,839 --> 01:05:57,359 some more brick and and slightly 1646 01:05:57,359 --> 01:06:00,799 adjusting some of the colors. 1647 01:06:00,799 --> 01:06:02,559 So, 1648 01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:05,039 I guess I'm I'm kind of stuck on what 1649 01:06:05,039 --> 01:06:06,880 you said, like if they can't get it to 1650 01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,920 paint it red to match the red brick. 1651 01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:11,680 >> That's why we need 21 days to all get on 1652 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,280 the same page because we have lots of 1653 01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:15,599 details to iron out that we can't 1654 01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:17,920 >> paint it red. I don't think they chose 1655 01:06:17,920 --> 01:06:19,680 red. If I remember the color of brick 1656 01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:21,200 that was in the council room, it's 1657 01:06:21,200 --> 01:06:23,760 actually um kind of a modeled brick 1658 01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,079 color. It is a metal. But you know, 1659 01:06:26,079 --> 01:06:28,000 Allan was just talking about like a 1660 01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,240 historic red brick building. Am I 1661 01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:32,000 correct in assuming that that you guys 1662 01:06:32,000 --> 01:06:33,920 were looking at red brick buildings as 1663 01:06:33,920 --> 01:06:36,079 opposed to a brown? 1664 01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:37,200 >> Yes. 1665 01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:39,359 >> So yeah, they're looking at what they 1666 01:06:39,359 --> 01:06:42,480 were suggesting is the red brick. Um 1667 01:06:42,480 --> 01:06:45,680 >> yeah. Well, if you look across um the 1668 01:06:45,680 --> 01:06:47,520 park and you look at some of those older 1669 01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:49,599 historic homes where they've captured 1670 01:06:49,599 --> 01:06:52,079 that brick, it looks like the design 1671 01:06:52,079 --> 01:06:55,280 team brought in almost 1672 01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:58,000 um the exact same brick. So I think if 1673 01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,319 planning commission, you know, to um 1674 01:07:00,319 --> 01:07:02,240 Allen's point, they didn't have all the 1675 01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,400 information, maybe if they could see 1676 01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:06,319 where those historical bricks were 1677 01:07:06,319 --> 01:07:08,480 brought in to capture, you know, 1678 01:07:08,480 --> 01:07:10,480 continuity in our town, you know, in our 1679 01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:12,960 town park area, that that would give 1680 01:07:12,960 --> 01:07:15,839 them more understanding of of the goal. 1681 01:07:15,839 --> 01:07:17,119 >> Did you have anything else that you 1682 01:07:17,119 --> 01:07:18,240 wanted to say? 1683 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:19,200 >> No, that was it. 1684 01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:19,760 >> Okay. Brent, 1685 01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:23,599 >> have you uh ordered any materials yet? 1686 01:07:23,599 --> 01:07:23,839 >> No, 1687 01:07:23,839 --> 01:07:25,520 >> I don't know. Uh, no. Because there's no 1688 01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:27,119 GMP been established. Uh, cir 1689 01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:28,240 construction would be 1690 01:07:28,240 --> 01:07:29,599 >> so the delay would be minimal because we 1691 01:07:29,599 --> 01:07:31,520 haven't even started to order. Um, I was 1692 01:07:31,520 --> 01:07:33,760 just one one thought I had. 1693 01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:35,839 >> Can I make a quick clarification just to 1694 01:07:35,839 --> 01:07:37,599 make sure we're talking the same time 1695 01:07:37,599 --> 01:07:41,200 frame? I'm so sorry. 1696 01:07:41,200 --> 01:07:42,480 >> Couple weeks ago and I can't seem to 1697 01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:44,799 kick it. Um, 1698 01:07:44,799 --> 01:07:46,240 Council Hman, you you mentioned like the 1699 01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:49,680 21day period and then decide. Um, 1700 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:50,720 >> we'll be done deciding. 1701 01:07:50,720 --> 01:07:52,240 >> Be done deciding. Okay. So what I'm 1702 01:07:52,240 --> 01:07:52,960 hearing and I just want to make sure 1703 01:07:52,960 --> 01:07:54,880 we're all on the same page is that if we 1704 01:07:54,880 --> 01:07:58,960 said 21 days as a metaphorical what if 1705 01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,240 that would be the time frame we decide 1706 01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:01,440 okay this is what we're doing and then 1707 01:08:01,440 --> 01:08:03,200 the time frame for redesign engineering 1708 01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,839 would ensue and then the procurement 1709 01:08:05,839 --> 01:08:08,319 timelines would be evaluated and then 1710 01:08:08,319 --> 01:08:11,039 the budgeting or the rebidding or the re 1711 01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:13,039 um distribution of those im materials 1712 01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:14,400 would go out to bids to get the change 1713 01:08:14,400 --> 01:08:16,960 order put together. So, it's a it's not 1714 01:08:16,960 --> 01:08:18,880 a 21 days and we have everything we 1715 01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:19,920 need. 1716 01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:20,480 >> Yeah. 1717 01:08:20,480 --> 01:08:22,319 >> Or we just continue to move forward 1718 01:08:22,319 --> 01:08:24,239 because foundationally and structurally 1719 01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,920 we're not changing anything. And then we 1720 01:08:27,920 --> 01:08:31,359 make those selections as a council and 1721 01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:35,669 give you those adjusted changes. 1722 01:08:35,679 --> 01:08:37,679 » Like I don't think slowing the project 1723 01:08:37,679 --> 01:08:39,279 down is 1724 01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,400 >> is necessary. So, approve the site plan 1725 01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:46,640 today subject to details being finalized 1726 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:50,470 within 21 days. 1727 01:08:50,480 --> 01:08:52,719 » Um, just for personal knowledge, because 1728 01:08:52,719 --> 01:08:55,120 I know that this goes back to our 1729 01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:58,319 guidelines, brick veneer is like 1730 01:08:58,319 --> 01:09:00,560 something that mimics real brick, right? 1731 01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:02,640 So, it's within the guidelines. Are you 1732 01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:04,640 doing brick veneer through the whole 1733 01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,319 building to be consistent or are you 1734 01:09:06,319 --> 01:09:08,640 putting real brick in the new build 1735 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,880 because it's stronger? I don't know. I'm 1736 01:09:10,880 --> 01:09:12,159 just curious. 1737 01:09:12,159 --> 01:09:14,560 >> The brick veneer and the thin brick um 1738 01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,600 thin set would be the same brick finish. 1739 01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,600 >> The whole building would be the same 1740 01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,440 finish. The reason we did it was purely 1741 01:09:21,440 --> 01:09:23,359 functionary for the functional, excuse 1742 01:09:23,359 --> 01:09:24,960 me, for the community center because 1743 01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,640 those adjacent door jambs wouldn't open. 1744 01:09:26,640 --> 01:09:27,920 >> Okay. All right. Thank you. 1745 01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:30,239 >> Ideally, it would been full brick veneer 1746 01:09:30,239 --> 01:09:32,640 at a full 3 and 58 air gap 1747 01:09:32,640 --> 01:09:37,030 meshification. 1748 01:09:37,040 --> 01:09:40,080 » Okay. I'll just express my appreciation 1749 01:09:40,080 --> 01:09:41,440 for the planning commission, not just on 1750 01:09:41,440 --> 01:09:43,440 this issue, but on all the issues. I I 1751 01:09:43,440 --> 01:09:45,520 do listen usually at 1.5 speed after the 1752 01:09:45,520 --> 01:09:48,159 meeting's over, sometimes at 1.75. And 1753 01:09:48,159 --> 01:09:50,400 I'm often frustrated that a couple 1754 01:09:50,400 --> 01:09:51,839 people don't use their mics or sit way 1755 01:09:51,839 --> 01:09:53,600 too far away from them and I can't hear. 1756 01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:55,520 So, it's a reminder, keep them talking 1757 01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:58,480 to their mics. Um, 1758 01:09:58,480 --> 01:10:00,400 I'm more concerned about what's inside. 1759 01:10:00,400 --> 01:10:02,800 Having seen what it currently is, it's 1760 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:04,560 not adequate for our firefighters. So, 1761 01:10:04,560 --> 01:10:05,920 I'm really glad we're doing this. I know 1762 01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,239 it's a big expense. Um, and it's been a 1763 01:10:08,239 --> 01:10:09,840 long time coming. I'm just glad for 1764 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,440 that. I am, as I said before, I'm not as 1765 01:10:13,440 --> 01:10:16,880 in as vested in the appearance. I do 1766 01:10:16,880 --> 01:10:19,040 like things to look nice. I think this 1767 01:10:19,040 --> 01:10:22,159 building is kind of blah, right? So, I 1768 01:10:22,159 --> 01:10:24,000 do appreciate that the architect's 1769 01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,600 efforts to make that look a little bit 1770 01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:28,080 nicer. And I do appreciate some 1771 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,440 residents input about their they like 1772 01:10:31,440 --> 01:10:32,719 the faux wood or they like that 1773 01:10:32,719 --> 01:10:35,600 appearance and I I appreciate that. I 1774 01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:38,480 talked to someone who I trust who has a 1775 01:10:38,480 --> 01:10:40,000 much better eye for these things than I 1776 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,800 have. And just a couple of of thoughts 1777 01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,440 that he shared was natural materials are 1778 01:10:45,440 --> 01:10:47,120 preferable. They look nicer and they're 1779 01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:48,640 more likely to stand the test of time, 1780 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:50,239 not become outdated. Talking about 1781 01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:53,199 brick, stone, and wood specifically. He 1782 01:10:53,199 --> 01:10:55,040 said stucco is both cheap and it looks 1783 01:10:55,040 --> 01:10:56,800 cheap, but he understands budgetary 1784 01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:59,600 concerns. So that flat stucco look on 1785 01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,239 the back is not very appealing to me or 1786 01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:05,920 to him. Um, he would prefer all brick. 1787 01:11:05,920 --> 01:11:07,360 but he 1788 01:11:07,360 --> 01:11:10,080 understands that that's expensive and 1789 01:11:10,080 --> 01:11:12,400 more expensive than Stuckco. 1790 01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:15,360 I a house was recently remodeled in my 1791 01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,840 neighborhood and they put faux wood on 1792 01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:19,840 it and it looks more modern and it looks 1793 01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:21,679 like a nice home. It just doesn't fit 1794 01:11:21,679 --> 01:11:24,640 in. And what this what this person said 1795 01:11:24,640 --> 01:11:27,360 was faux wood is very popular right now. 1796 01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:29,440 It's being used by architects in a lot 1797 01:11:29,440 --> 01:11:31,120 of different buildings, but it's more 1798 01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:33,760 likely to not stand the test of time 1799 01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:35,679 that it'll probably be just as dated as 1800 01:11:35,679 --> 01:11:38,880 this building was is in 20 or 30 years. 1801 01:11:38,880 --> 01:11:40,400 I I learned that this is really isn't a 1802 01:11:40,400 --> 01:11:42,320 historic building. It's it was modeled 1803 01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:45,360 or remodeled in the 1970s. 1804 01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:47,199 >> So, that's probably why it looks like it 1805 01:11:47,199 --> 01:11:49,360 does and not very favorable. I really 1806 01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,199 like the idea of just what the what the 1807 01:11:51,199 --> 01:11:53,440 planning commission said and what 1808 01:11:53,440 --> 01:11:54,960 Sarah's recommended just using more 1809 01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:57,360 brick look on that on that north facing 1810 01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:00,080 side. 1811 01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:02,400 >> That's it. 1812 01:12:02,400 --> 01:12:03,600 >> Anybody else? 1813 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:04,800 >> I haven't gone yet. 1814 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:05,600 >> Oh, I'm sorry. It's 1815 01:12:05,600 --> 01:12:06,719 >> okay. No, I understand. 1816 01:12:06,719 --> 01:12:07,840 >> I thought you had and then I thought 1817 01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:08,800 Jessica spoke after. 1818 01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:10,320 >> Oh, it's okay. Jessica, would you like 1819 01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:11,920 question for Would you like to go first, 1820 01:12:11,920 --> 01:12:12,480 Jessica? 1821 01:12:12,480 --> 01:12:13,440 >> No, she already went. 1822 01:12:13,440 --> 01:12:14,320 >> Oh, you already went. Okay, I'll 1823 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,480 finalize. I was just addressing the 21 1824 01:12:16,480 --> 01:12:18,400 days because you were asking about the 1825 01:12:18,400 --> 01:12:21,360 21 days and I actually haven't gone but 1826 01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:23,360 I did want to talk about the 21 days 1827 01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,239 delay. 1828 01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:27,199 >> Go ahead Andrew. 1829 01:12:27,199 --> 01:12:28,719 >> It wouldn't be a delay. Just from what 1830 01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:31,920 I'm understanding Chad's ex explanation, 1831 01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:35,040 it would not delay the end product 1832 01:12:35,040 --> 01:12:36,880 like move in date. 1833 01:12:36,880 --> 01:12:38,400 >> Okay. Well, there's nothing like Alpine 1834 01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,719 first world problems to be have everyone 1835 01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:42,320 involved. I'm waiting for the police 1836 01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:43,600 chief to get involved in this on what 1837 01:12:43,600 --> 01:12:46,960 brick he wants. Um, and uh, this is like 1838 01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,480 having your wife and you try to choose a 1839 01:12:48,480 --> 01:12:50,640 home color or something. And even that's 1840 01:12:50,640 --> 01:12:52,239 hard. This is like having 10 husbands 1841 01:12:52,239 --> 01:12:54,320 and 10 wives trying to choose the uh, 1842 01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,040 isn't it? That's where we've arrived. My 1843 01:12:57,040 --> 01:12:58,960 concern is my Sorry, that's a bad joke. 1844 01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:01,520 Um, thanks for the wood statement. That 1845 01:13:01,520 --> 01:13:03,520 was really helpful. I did not know wood 1846 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:06,000 was available and I really do like uh, 1847 01:13:06,000 --> 01:13:08,480 real things. Um, however, my whole 1848 01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:11,520 concern with this is a couple things. Um 1849 01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:15,040 it's it's mostly money. Um right now we 1850 01:13:15,040 --> 01:13:17,440 have a a budget that we approved for 1851 01:13:17,440 --> 01:13:19,199 5.8. Right. 1852 01:13:19,199 --> 01:13:19,840 >> Correct. 1853 01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:22,480 >> I didn't but they did. Um and will any 1854 01:13:22,480 --> 01:13:24,480 of this increase that like I'm talking 1855 01:13:24,480 --> 01:13:25,760 about even what we're talking about 1856 01:13:25,760 --> 01:13:26,560 right now. 1857 01:13:26,560 --> 01:13:27,840 >> There's potential. Absolutely. 1858 01:13:27,840 --> 01:13:30,080 >> But not right now. Right. Let's say that 1859 01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:31,120 >> if we do nothing. 1860 01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,280 >> Yes. 1861 01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:35,040 >> There's been a budget established that 1862 01:13:35,040 --> 01:13:37,040 we're going to maintain. The GMP is yet 1863 01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:38,320 to be finalized because it's currently 1864 01:13:38,320 --> 01:13:39,199 bidding as we speak, 1865 01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:41,360 >> but it's very close to 5.8, right? 1866 01:13:41,360 --> 01:13:43,199 >> The GMP is targeted to be at 5.8 or 1867 01:13:43,199 --> 01:13:43,520 less. 1868 01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:45,840 >> And then Shane, uh, and pardon, I am 1869 01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,400 leading to these things. And then Shane, 1870 01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:51,280 uh, on this whole thing is involved a 1871 01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:53,040 bond, and I know we're not talk, we're 1872 01:13:53,040 --> 01:13:54,480 talking about the design, but I just 1873 01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:56,640 need to be clear when we're voting on 1874 01:13:56,640 --> 01:13:58,800 this design, are we also voting on that 1875 01:13:58,800 --> 01:14:02,719 bond that is a $2 million bond for this? 1876 01:14:02,719 --> 01:14:05,679 >> No, that will be coming up. Uh so we 1877 01:14:05,679 --> 01:14:08,560 plan on the 9th on June 9th as city 1878 01:14:08,560 --> 01:14:09,760 council 1879 01:14:09,760 --> 01:14:12,159 >> to present the guaranteed maximum price 1880 01:14:12,159 --> 01:14:13,520 for approval 1881 01:14:13,520 --> 01:14:15,920 >> and have Z's public finance here 1882 01:14:15,920 --> 01:14:17,760 >> that's separate say we denied that we'd 1883 01:14:17,760 --> 01:14:19,040 pay for it a different way is that 1884 01:14:19,040 --> 01:14:21,600 correct the 5.8 1885 01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:22,000 >> uh 1886 01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:23,120 >> wait what do you say 1887 01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:24,960 >> are is the bond linked to everything 1888 01:14:24,960 --> 01:14:27,679 we're doing right now or is it still 1889 01:14:27,679 --> 01:14:30,880 debatable in the future? Well, I mean, 1890 01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,400 in an ideal world, they'll come back 1891 01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,159 with a cheaper price, you know. 1892 01:14:34,159 --> 01:14:35,600 >> Oh, yeah. We like that. You know, 1893 01:14:35,600 --> 01:14:37,199 there's been a lot of work put into 1894 01:14:37,199 --> 01:14:38,719 where we're at right now with the 1895 01:14:38,719 --> 01:14:40,239 estimates and everything and so we've 1896 01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:42,560 been kind of planning for that number in 1897 01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:43,920 our our funding. 1898 01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:46,960 >> No, I know that. I know that. I know their number set. I'm 1899 01:14:46,960 --> 01:14:49,360 wondering if our financing is set or if 1900 01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:51,760 that is still to be determined after the 1901 01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:54,159 today's uh after what we're discussing 1902 01:14:54,159 --> 01:14:56,000 right now. Well, we've made 1903 01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:59,040 recommendations and through the budget 1904 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:00,880 um you know, we plan to take this much 1905 01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,520 out of this uh coming budget year, so 1906 01:15:03,520 --> 01:15:05,280 much out of the next and then 1907 01:15:05,280 --> 01:15:06,719 >> but that's still but that's still to be 1908 01:15:06,719 --> 01:15:07,920 discussed and voted on, right? 1909 01:15:07,920 --> 01:15:09,600 >> It will be voted on by the council. Yes. 1910 01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,679 >> Okay. We could still carry this out even 1911 01:15:11,679 --> 01:15:14,239 if we don't bond. Correct. Meaning say 1912 01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:16,239 we decide to forego on some other 1913 01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:18,080 things, we could still carry this out 1914 01:15:18,080 --> 01:15:20,080 without bonding. Like say we voted 1915 01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:22,560 bonding down, we could still carry out 1916 01:15:22,560 --> 01:15:24,719 this project, right? or is it 1917 01:15:24,719 --> 01:15:25,440 impossible? 1918 01:15:25,440 --> 01:15:27,840 >> Well, it depends on if you cut $2 1919 01:15:27,840 --> 01:15:30,159 million worth of projects somewhere. 1920 01:15:30,159 --> 01:15:31,679 >> Yeah, I think that's a discussion for 1921 01:15:31,679 --> 01:15:33,199 another setting, though. 1922 01:15:33,199 --> 01:15:34,800 >> I know. I I don't want to talk about it. 1923 01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:36,239 It's like like my wife, why are you 1924 01:15:36,239 --> 01:15:38,960 bringing this up? I'm only talking about 1925 01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:42,239 it because it's connected, you know, the 1926 01:15:42,239 --> 01:15:45,440 um the money is connected to the uh 1927 01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:47,120 approval of what we're doing. And so, I 1928 01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:48,800 was just trying to be clear because 1929 01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:50,159 >> I don't think there's an automatic 1930 01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:52,239 funding by approving plans. I don't 1931 01:15:52,239 --> 01:15:53,440 think funding is automatic, 1932 01:15:53,440 --> 01:15:54,320 >> but even assumption 1933 01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,159 >> that's the secondary discussion we will 1934 01:15:56,159 --> 01:15:57,679 have at a later date that Shane's 1935 01:15:57,679 --> 01:15:58,080 talking 1936 01:15:58,080 --> 01:15:59,600 >> now. Okay, last last two questions. 1937 01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:02,159 Thank you for the time. Jessica and uh 1938 01:16:02,159 --> 01:16:03,440 since we're discussing Jessica and 1939 01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:04,719 Sarah, I I understand you're very 1940 01:16:04,719 --> 01:16:06,320 passionate about this and I I applaud 1941 01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:09,199 you and the planning commission and the 1942 01:16:09,199 --> 01:16:11,440 mayor and Chrissy, you've all you all 1943 01:16:11,440 --> 01:16:12,800 you've all really gotten into this. I 1944 01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:15,600 love it. Um we I'm just the money. I'm 1945 01:16:15,600 --> 01:16:18,960 just thinking money. Um, have you 1946 01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:21,199 reached some Jessica, if you're still 1947 01:16:21,199 --> 01:16:23,040 here, have you reached some sort of 1948 01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:25,760 compromise with folks who are also 1949 01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:27,040 residents who are very passionate about 1950 01:16:27,040 --> 01:16:29,199 this like donors like Don, have you have 1951 01:16:29,199 --> 01:16:31,520 you guys come to a a hearty compromise 1952 01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:32,560 or something that you both feel 1953 01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:33,840 comfortable about moving forward with or 1954 01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,159 is it still in limbo? 1955 01:16:36,159 --> 01:16:38,640 >> Jessica or Sarah? Well, when I look at 1956 01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:41,440 the community center, I don't see where 1957 01:16:41,440 --> 01:16:44,080 the donor funding is occurring that the 1958 01:16:44,080 --> 01:16:45,679 community center has actually been 1959 01:16:45,679 --> 01:16:47,360 impacted 1960 01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,000 that much. And maybe adding brick to the 1961 01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:53,120 vestibule will have a big impact, but 1962 01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:54,640 you know, that that hasn't been 1963 01:16:54,640 --> 01:16:56,000 determined yet. 1964 01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:58,800 >> Okay. I was hopeful. That was my dream. 1965 01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:01,600 Um Okay. Uh I I so I spoke to residents 1966 01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,440 about this because I really wanted to I 1967 01:17:03,440 --> 01:17:05,600 know it's important to you and so I 1968 01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:07,199 wanted to see what the residents 1969 01:17:07,199 --> 01:17:10,239 thought. The residents surrounding here 1970 01:17:10,239 --> 01:17:14,239 um who that's where I start uh were they 1971 01:17:14,239 --> 01:17:17,199 did not care. They did not care if it 1972 01:17:17,199 --> 01:17:19,199 was option one, two, or three. They 1973 01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:20,719 liked all of them and they really liked 1974 01:17:20,719 --> 01:17:23,760 the original. I was surprised. Uh what 1975 01:17:23,760 --> 01:17:25,840 they were most concerned about is how 1976 01:17:25,840 --> 01:17:28,320 much grass it would destroy. 1977 01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:31,520 That was their concern, the park. And so 1978 01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,080 I was very surprised and very respectful 1979 01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:36,239 of them. There are also residents 1980 01:17:36,239 --> 01:17:38,640 involved in this who do not live in 1981 01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:40,960 proximity but are financially close to 1982 01:17:40,960 --> 01:17:44,320 it. And I met with Dawn. I hope to use 1983 01:17:44,320 --> 01:17:47,360 his name and I don't mean to uh uh bring 1984 01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:50,480 that up in any sort of way that is bad. 1985 01:17:50,480 --> 01:17:52,800 And he was very passionate about this 1986 01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:54,960 and his family. Former mayor lived here 1987 01:17:54,960 --> 01:17:57,520 forever. very respected, very important 1988 01:17:57,520 --> 01:18:00,159 in our community, his whole family and 1989 01:18:00,159 --> 01:18:01,600 the last family you'd ever want mad at 1990 01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:05,199 you. And so um or at us or at anyone. So 1991 01:18:05,199 --> 01:18:07,600 very respected and uh he was very 1992 01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:11,520 passionate that we maintain the first um 1993 01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:14,880 iteration. He likes it and he's not just 1994 01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:17,760 a resident, but he's also 1995 01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:19,360 uh someone who's been willing to donate 1996 01:18:19,360 --> 01:18:20,880 a lot of money to this. And we want to 1997 01:18:20,880 --> 01:18:22,800 incentivize people to donate to their 1998 01:18:22,800 --> 01:18:27,360 city and uh basically give themselves to 1999 01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:28,640 their city because then they have 2000 01:18:28,640 --> 01:18:30,880 ownership. They love it. They sacrifice 2001 01:18:30,880 --> 01:18:33,840 for it. They've got stake in it. Um so 2002 01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,880 that really changed my mindset listening 2003 01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:41,679 to him and his wife and his kids. Um, it 2004 01:18:41,679 --> 01:18:43,600 really did. And so that was my hope that 2005 01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:45,040 you could come to a compromise. If you 2006 01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:46,800 can't, we've got to figure this out 2007 01:18:46,800 --> 01:18:48,800 quick because we don't want more money 2008 01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,400 uh going there. I uh echoed the 2009 01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,560 sentiment, Jessica, and everyone, and 2010 01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:56,480 the desire, which I also have, to 2011 01:18:56,480 --> 01:19:00,000 maintain the identity and cohesion, and 2012 01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,520 I did not get from residents that 2013 01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:04,320 cohesion was so important to them. Now, 2014 01:19:04,320 --> 01:19:06,239 I don't know if they really thought that 2015 01:19:06,239 --> 01:19:08,800 through, but they and also um the donor 2016 01:19:08,800 --> 01:19:12,480 did not. Uh so anyways um I hope you can 2017 01:19:12,480 --> 01:19:14,239 come together on it. I would choose any 2018 01:19:14,239 --> 01:19:16,880 of these options at this point. I have 2019 01:19:16,880 --> 01:19:18,640 been going around Alpine and looking 2020 01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,239 very closely trying to preserve the 2021 01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:21,520 identity and one of the thing I really 2022 01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:23,679 noticed is barns. 2023 01:19:23,679 --> 01:19:26,400 It's also one of the most uh common 2024 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,040 things that we have had in Alpine is 2025 01:19:29,040 --> 01:19:32,800 barns. And so I do think wood is not um 2026 01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:35,360 foreign to our identity. Um it's also 2027 01:19:35,360 --> 01:19:37,440 symbolic of I'm not I'm not vying for 2028 01:19:37,440 --> 01:19:38,800 it. I'm trying to represent the 2029 01:19:38,800 --> 01:19:41,360 residents who have spoken for it. I also 2030 01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:48,080 think wood is um very uh deep and uh 2031 01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,480 what's the word? Tying in to the fire 2032 01:19:50,480 --> 01:19:52,800 department. And I know that's deep, but 2033 01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,400 that's what we do in my world. I do 2034 01:19:54,400 --> 01:19:57,360 story and world building. And I have to 2035 01:19:57,360 --> 01:19:59,199 cut down a lot of trees. I fill for 2036 01:19:59,199 --> 01:20:02,000 them. This is weird, I know, but a fire 2037 01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:03,920 department spends its time basically 2038 01:20:03,920 --> 01:20:06,560 thinking about water and wood and fire. 2039 01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:08,560 but they think a lot about it. Anyways, 2040 01:20:08,560 --> 01:20:11,520 point is I I think we should uh take in 2041 01:20:11,520 --> 01:20:14,719 account the residents that are um also 2042 01:20:14,719 --> 01:20:16,080 involved. I hope you can find a 2043 01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:18,320 compromise. I am for any of these 2044 01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:21,280 options and also uh many of the 2045 01:20:21,280 --> 01:20:24,000 residents are for the original as I went 2046 01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,840 down and surveyed them. So that's all I 2047 01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:26,560 have. Thank you. 2048 01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:29,280 >> Just one quick comment on that. I don't 2049 01:20:29,280 --> 01:20:32,080 think Don Watkins was he was looking at 2050 01:20:32,080 --> 01:20:35,520 the blah the stuckco. So, I wonder I 2051 01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,199 would like to get know his opinion since 2052 01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:39,360 he is well respected and has donated 2053 01:20:39,360 --> 01:20:41,440 some money on the potential for adding 2054 01:20:41,440 --> 01:20:43,120 more brick. 2055 01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,440 Looking at the fire station over by 2056 01:20:45,440 --> 01:20:47,760 Walmart by Lone Peak High School, it's 2057 01:20:47,760 --> 01:20:49,440 all brick. It looks beautiful. I think 2058 01:20:49,440 --> 01:20:51,679 the one in Lyndon that I drove by last 2059 01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:52,800 week, 2060 01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:53,520 >> I love that. 2061 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,679 >> Also brick and looked very nice and kind 2062 01:20:55,679 --> 01:20:57,120 of goes with what a couple of experts 2063 01:20:57,120 --> 01:20:59,920 have told Sarah and me about how brick 2064 01:20:59,920 --> 01:21:02,080 and stone just kind of stand the test of 2065 01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,400 time. Yeah, I like that what you did and 2066 01:21:04,400 --> 01:21:05,920 as we're discussing this, my dream would 2067 01:21:05,920 --> 01:21:09,600 be if Sarah and Jessica and the mayor 2068 01:21:09,600 --> 01:21:11,120 and whoever else is very passionate 2069 01:21:11,120 --> 01:21:12,640 about this in the planning commission, 2070 01:21:12,640 --> 01:21:14,000 if you can meet with this wonderful 2071 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:18,480 donor and find that uh compromise or 2072 01:21:18,480 --> 01:21:20,560 answer that you're all okay with as soon 2073 01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,040 as possible to save money, I would I 2074 01:21:23,040 --> 01:21:24,480 would be very much in support and vote 2075 01:21:24,480 --> 01:21:25,360 for that. I think you'd have the 2076 01:21:25,360 --> 01:21:26,080 residents with you. 2077 01:21:26,080 --> 01:21:28,080 >> Yeah, I'm I'm happy to do that. I am 2078 01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:30,960 grateful for the donation and this has 2079 01:21:30,960 --> 01:21:33,360 nothing to do with my gratitude for 2080 01:21:33,360 --> 01:21:36,239 that. I just I would just feel like if 2081 01:21:36,239 --> 01:21:37,760 we're going to set a precedent for a 2082 01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,239 design that we want the historic 2083 01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:43,040 downtown to look, this is our chance to 2084 01:21:43,040 --> 01:21:45,040 do it so that we have an example and a 2085 01:21:45,040 --> 01:21:47,920 model when other buildings come to say, 2086 01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,840 "Hey, this is this is kind of what we're 2087 01:21:49,840 --> 01:21:51,840 thinking is what we'd like to be." not 2088 01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:54,560 to say, well, you know, we had different 2089 01:21:54,560 --> 01:21:57,040 design guidelines then and now we want 2090 01:21:57,040 --> 01:22:01,440 to look different and so don't look at that. Look look at this. I 2091 01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:03,120 just I feel like now we have an 2092 01:22:03,120 --> 01:22:05,760 opportunity to capitalize on that and so 2093 01:22:05,760 --> 01:22:07,199 we should move forward with that. But I 2094 01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:08,560 will I will meet with 2095 01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,080 >> and Sarah one thing that the residents 2096 01:22:10,080 --> 01:22:11,600 brought up because I'm with you. 2097 01:22:11,600 --> 01:22:13,920 >> If this was like 2098 01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,400 so foreign to our design, I would be 2099 01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:16,800 sure 2100 01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:19,120 >> right there. I don't think it's a zero 2101 01:22:19,120 --> 01:22:22,080 100 where we're like in left field and 2102 01:22:22,080 --> 01:22:24,239 Alpine's identity of uh design and 2103 01:22:24,239 --> 01:22:25,760 architecture is over here and we're over 2104 01:22:25,760 --> 01:22:28,719 here. I think we're probably 8020 on one 2105 01:22:28,719 --> 01:22:31,199 side or the other. Maybe 9010. We we 2106 01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:33,679 might be 955. So I think you're really 2107 01:22:33,679 --> 01:22:36,000 close. Anyways, I I I think you're 2108 01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,120 really close. 2109 01:22:37,120 --> 01:22:39,040 >> Is it okay if I propose a motion to see 2110 01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:39,920 where else? 2111 01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:40,960 >> Jessica hasn't spoken. 2112 01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,920 >> Oh, are you still there? 2113 01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:46,080 >> She's gone. 2114 01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:47,920 >> She's not. Okay, 2115 01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,560 >> I'm absolutely here. You just Heidi told 2116 01:22:50,560 --> 01:22:53,440 me I needed to not always be on video, 2117 01:22:53,440 --> 01:22:55,199 so I turned my video off unless I'm 2118 01:22:55,199 --> 01:22:55,840 talking. 2119 01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,960 >> No, no, she just said she asked you. I 2120 01:22:58,960 --> 01:23:00,080 assumed you weren't there because your 2121 01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,880 video was turned off. 2122 01:23:02,880 --> 01:23:04,960 >> Okay. Did you want to make your comment? 2123 01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:07,920 >> Yeah. I mean, I I think it's mostly been 2124 01:23:07,920 --> 01:23:10,560 made adding more brick. I don't think we 2125 01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:12,480 need to slow anything down. I actually 2126 01:23:12,480 --> 01:23:14,960 think they could go ahead and move 2127 01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:16,880 forward with pouring the foundation on 2128 01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,520 this or doing what needed to be done as 2129 01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:22,560 far as forming it out and then work 2130 01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,560 through those few areas that we're 2131 01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:29,920 looking at potentially material changes. 2132 01:23:29,920 --> 01:23:32,639 And that would be the day room kitchen 2133 01:23:32,639 --> 01:23:34,239 area 2134 01:23:34,239 --> 01:23:36,719 to brick that instead of wood. and then 2135 01:23:36,719 --> 01:23:41,920 adding brick on the um gables going into 2136 01:23:41,920 --> 01:23:43,440 the community center. I believe that 2137 01:23:43,440 --> 01:23:45,040 would warm it up right now because I 2138 01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:48,159 believe the current version, the the one 2139 01:23:48,159 --> 01:23:49,840 that Chrissy's wanting to approve 2140 01:23:49,840 --> 01:23:52,560 tonight has a modern flat roof and I 2141 01:23:52,560 --> 01:23:55,440 think the whole thing is stucco along 2142 01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:58,972 that side except for the um brick 2143 01:23:58,972 --> 01:24:00,159 [clears throat] band along the bottom. 2144 01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:01,199 Is that correct? 2145 01:24:01,199 --> 01:24:01,840 >> Yep. 2146 01:24:01,840 --> 01:24:04,880 >> Yeah, we're looking at it. So, from a, 2147 01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:07,760 you know, a a visual impact going into 2148 01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:10,159 our community center, I do think um 2149 01:24:10,159 --> 01:24:11,760 adding a little more depth with some 2150 01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:14,560 brickwood and and making that gabled 2151 01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:17,760 would really benefit and add to um that 2152 01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,159 side of the building. That's it. 2153 01:24:20,159 --> 01:24:21,280 >> Thank you. 2154 01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,199 >> Okay, I'm going to go ahead and make a 2155 01:24:23,199 --> 01:24:25,920 motion. We'll see where we stand. I move 2156 01:24:25,920 --> 01:24:27,199 to recommend approval of the 2157 01:24:27,199 --> 01:24:29,040 construction of the Alpine Fire Station 2158 01:24:29,040 --> 01:24:31,600 addition remodel as submitted in the 2159 01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,679 site plan according to the original 2160 01:24:33,679 --> 01:24:36,880 option. Um, 2161 01:24:36,880 --> 01:24:39,120 a landscape plan will be provided before 2162 01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:41,920 installation and that the exception to 2163 01:24:41,920 --> 01:24:43,920 the setbacks for parking be allowed 2164 01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:47,040 based on the criteria in 3.24.030 2165 01:24:47,040 --> 01:24:50,560 030 in the development code along with 2166 01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:54,639 one condition that alternative 2167 01:24:54,639 --> 01:24:57,360 um exterior 2168 01:24:57,360 --> 01:24:59,840 facads, what do you call it? Exterior 2169 01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:05,280 >> materials. materials be uh reconfigured 2170 01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:13,520 and with um in congruence with the planning 2171 01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:16,560 commission and Main Street guidelines in 2172 01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:20,159 the next 21 days. Um that would give us 2173 01:25:20,159 --> 01:25:23,920 oh I had my calendar open till um 2174 01:25:23,920 --> 01:25:28,880 >> June 16th. So ideally till June 16th. 2175 01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:30,000 I'm going to leave it at that so we can 2176 01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:31,280 vote on it. 2177 01:25:31,280 --> 01:25:37,669 >> Okay. Is there a second? 2178 01:25:37,679 --> 01:25:40,080 » Can I ask questions? 2179 01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:41,280 >> Can we ask questions to 2180 01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:42,800 >> I don't know ahead in the middle of a 2181 01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,400 >> or must we make a second? 2182 01:25:44,400 --> 01:25:46,560 >> Is it going to be a is going to be a 2183 01:25:46,560 --> 01:25:49,679 three person a normal vote on any 2184 01:25:49,679 --> 01:25:52,080 changes at the 21day point? 2185 01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:54,080 >> I think so. So it's the the current site 2186 01:25:54,080 --> 01:25:57,920 plan and any approved changes on a three 2187 01:25:57,920 --> 01:25:58,320 majority 2188 01:25:58,320 --> 01:26:00,320 >> current super majority. The thing that 2189 01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:02,639 the the reason I forgot to say the f to 2190 01:26:02,639 --> 01:26:04,400 speak to your financial if we move 2191 01:26:04,400 --> 01:26:06,239 forward with the current plan as is we 2192 01:26:06,239 --> 01:26:08,000 are at this point still at the 2193 01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:11,440 guaranteed maximum price. If we if we 2194 01:26:11,440 --> 01:26:14,560 start to adjust things in this motion we 2195 01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,719 can't really say that we're going to we 2196 01:26:16,719 --> 01:26:18,239 can't we don't have a good starting 2197 01:26:18,239 --> 01:26:20,880 point. So by leaving this guarantee max 2198 01:26:20,880 --> 01:26:23,280 maximum price with the current plan, we 2199 01:26:23,280 --> 01:26:24,719 have a starting point to say are we 2200 01:26:24,719 --> 01:26:26,080 going to go up or down with whatever 2201 01:26:26,080 --> 01:26:28,000 proposed changes we're having. Is that 2202 01:26:28,000 --> 01:26:29,600 right? Because at this point if we 2203 01:26:29,600 --> 01:26:31,520 approve as is a guaranteed maximum 2204 01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:33,120 price, right? 2205 01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:34,400 >> They're currently working on that 2206 01:26:34,400 --> 01:26:36,480 guaranteed maximum price. So yeah, on 2207 01:26:36,480 --> 01:26:38,239 the 9th we're hopefully we'll have that 2208 01:26:38,239 --> 01:26:39,840 number from all the subcontractors. 2209 01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:41,120 We'll be able to compile that and then 2210 01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:42,639 we will see exactly where the number 2211 01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:44,719 comes in to set that price. 2212 01:26:44,719 --> 01:26:46,560 >> So as of right now that's that's what 2213 01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,639 we're working towards. So any changes at 2214 01:26:48,639 --> 01:26:50,400 this point would ultimately be a change 2215 01:26:50,400 --> 01:26:52,239 order that would come after that that 2216 01:26:52,239 --> 01:26:54,400 GMP is set and then it would be you know 2217 01:26:54,400 --> 01:26:56,400 hopefully a reduction but whatever that 2218 01:26:56,400 --> 01:26:57,199 cost ends up being 2219 01:26:57,199 --> 01:26:59,199 >> but we are to expect something around 2220 01:26:59,199 --> 01:27:00,239 5.8 right? 2221 01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:00,880 >> Yes. Yeah. 2222 01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,000 >> Or lower. 2223 01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,520 >> It should be noted that there is no GMP 2224 01:27:05,520 --> 01:27:06,480 currently. 2225 01:27:06,480 --> 01:27:08,239 >> Okay. That was a misunderstanding I had. 2226 01:27:08,239 --> 01:27:10,239 >> There's a targeted budget of 5.8. 2227 01:27:10,239 --> 01:27:10,719 >> Yes. 2228 01:27:10,719 --> 01:27:12,960 >> The tracking of said budget based on all 2229 01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:14,320 the current documents has led us to 2230 01:27:14,320 --> 01:27:16,000 believe that we will see 5.8 eight or 2231 01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:18,880 hopefully less or right around there. 2232 01:27:18,880 --> 01:27:20,480 Whatever the number comes in at for the 2233 01:27:20,480 --> 01:27:21,679 final bidding which is currently 2234 01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:22,960 happening, that's the number that will 2235 01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:25,040 be presented to the council as approval 2236 01:27:25,040 --> 01:27:27,040 for the GMP. 2237 01:27:27,040 --> 01:27:28,800 Now, once the GMP is approved and 2238 01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:31,520 established, barring any changes, that's 2239 01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:34,400 what the building will cost. Any changes 2240 01:27:34,400 --> 01:27:36,719 whatsoever that are of of 2241 01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:37,280 >> obviously 2242 01:27:37,280 --> 01:27:38,960 >> an owner directed change 2243 01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,840 >> or outside the care control is subject 2244 01:27:41,840 --> 01:27:42,560 to a change, 2245 01:27:42,560 --> 01:27:44,560 >> right? We understand. I understand that. 2246 01:27:44,560 --> 01:27:47,040 >> But So, can I get a second to the 2247 01:27:47,040 --> 01:27:49,520 motion? 2248 01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:51,360 >> Let's get a second to the motion first 2249 01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:56,790 and then let's have a discussion. 2250 01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:59,040 » I can second it for discussion. 2251 01:27:59,040 --> 01:28:01,199 >> Okay. So, it's been moved by 2252 01:28:01,199 --> 01:28:02,719 Councilwoman Hanamman, second by 2253 01:28:02,719 --> 01:28:05,280 Councilman Yarm. Okay. Did you have an 2254 01:28:05,280 --> 01:28:05,840 additional question? 2255 01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,080 >> Yeah. Yeah, I had questions. Um, the way 2256 01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:11,840 you formulated your motion, are you you 2257 01:28:11,840 --> 01:28:14,719 included the planning commission changes 2258 01:28:14,719 --> 01:28:16,560 Well, we come to an I don't I don't 2259 01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:17,920 think we're all on the same page yet. 2260 01:28:17,920 --> 01:28:20,320 So, they'd be involved in the pro final 2261 01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:22,239 >> My two questions are because the 2262 01:28:22,239 --> 01:28:23,440 planning commission has a list of 2263 01:28:23,440 --> 01:28:26,000 changes. It was no faux wood. It was 2264 01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,320 black uh 2265 01:28:28,320 --> 01:28:29,199 such and such. 2266 01:28:29,199 --> 01:28:29,520 >> Yes. 2267 01:28:29,520 --> 01:28:31,360 >> Does your motion include all of their 2268 01:28:31,360 --> 01:28:31,840 changes? 2269 01:28:31,840 --> 01:28:33,840 >> No, because we're way apart. We're so 2270 01:28:33,840 --> 01:28:34,320 far apart. 2271 01:28:34,320 --> 01:28:35,280 >> I apologize. I didn't understand. 2272 01:28:35,280 --> 01:28:36,480 >> I think what she's saying is that she 2273 01:28:36,480 --> 01:28:37,360 wants 2274 01:28:37,360 --> 01:28:39,520 >> city council to work with planning 2275 01:28:39,520 --> 01:28:40,320 commission. 2276 01:28:40,320 --> 01:28:40,960 >> Okay. 2277 01:28:40,960 --> 01:28:42,080 >> On this plan. 2278 01:28:42,080 --> 01:28:43,760 >> Okay. My next question is, does your 2279 01:28:43,760 --> 01:28:48,719 motion uh give any um ability for some 2280 01:28:48,719 --> 01:28:50,159 of the things that Jessica and Sarah 2281 01:28:50,159 --> 01:28:51,840 have been brought up to still be 2282 01:28:51,840 --> 01:28:52,400 >> absolutely 2283 01:28:52,400 --> 01:28:54,960 >> entertained by folks who have donated 2284 01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:57,360 and to talk about whether they might not 2285 01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:59,920 do it or they might it it allows them 2286 01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:02,560 the ability to still pursue 2287 01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:03,840 >> uh with Okay. 2288 01:29:03,840 --> 01:29:06,000 >> Yes. I just think we're very farart. 2289 01:29:06,000 --> 01:29:08,239 >> All that we're doing now is allowing the 2290 01:29:08,239 --> 01:29:10,800 process to move forward. He's giving 21 2291 01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:12,800 days for us to get our act together and 2292 01:29:12,800 --> 01:29:13,600 decide on. 2293 01:29:13,600 --> 01:29:15,341 >> Okay. So why 21? Because that's 2294 01:29:15,341 --> 01:29:16,320 [clears throat] on a day that we don't 2295 01:29:16,320 --> 01:29:17,199 meet on the 2296 01:29:17,199 --> 01:29:19,040 >> Oh, because that's what he told me. Oh, 2297 01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:21,520 we we can go if we can amend it to 14. 2298 01:29:21,520 --> 01:29:22,639 You think we can do it? 2299 01:29:22,639 --> 01:29:23,679 >> We just have we're going to have an 2300 01:29:23,679 --> 01:29:24,880 extra meeting for this. Is that the 2301 01:29:24,880 --> 01:29:25,360 plan? 2302 01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:26,960 >> No. I mean, ideally it'll be on the 2303 01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:28,719 meeting on the 9th and then we'll 2304 01:29:28,719 --> 01:29:30,560 discuss it. But I think 2305 01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:32,080 >> we've had emergency meetings. I mean, 2306 01:29:32,080 --> 01:29:34,159 ideally we can approve it on the 9th and 2307 01:29:34,159 --> 01:29:35,280 be done and not meet on the 2308 01:29:35,280 --> 01:29:37,520 >> 16th. She's I think she's just giving a 2309 01:29:37,520 --> 01:29:39,600 little leeway because the time was a lot 2310 01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:40,800 >> because we can amend it. 2311 01:29:40,800 --> 01:29:42,480 >> I'm afraid if we get to 14 days and 2312 01:29:42,480 --> 01:29:44,560 we're still where we are right now, 2313 01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:45,760 we're going to hold up the whole 2314 01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:46,320 project. 2315 01:29:46,320 --> 01:29:47,360 >> Yeah. So, let's just 2316 01:29:47,360 --> 01:29:49,280 >> We have met before like at noon and just 2317 01:29:49,280 --> 01:29:51,520 voted on one item. 2318 01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:53,120 >> Can I have a question? Why we're 2319 01:29:53,120 --> 01:29:55,360 >> Hold on just a second. Jessica, you're 2320 01:29:55,360 --> 01:29:56,719 I'm sorry because you're online. You're 2321 01:29:56,719 --> 01:29:58,719 going to be last. No, Sarah. 2322 01:29:58,719 --> 01:29:59,840 >> We're discussing, right? 2323 01:29:59,840 --> 01:30:01,920 >> I know. But Sarah had a comment. I just 2324 01:30:01,920 --> 01:30:03,679 because you're online and we can't see 2325 01:30:03,679 --> 01:30:05,840 you. It's kind of hard. Let's have her 2326 01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:07,679 go and then you can speak up. Okay. 2327 01:30:07,679 --> 01:30:09,040 We're just going to take turns. 2328 01:30:09,040 --> 01:30:10,960 >> Sorry, Jessica. Just one question on 2329 01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,840 your motion. You mentioned the exterior 2330 01:30:13,840 --> 01:30:16,400 materials. Do we need to put in there if 2331 01:30:16,400 --> 01:30:17,840 we're going to change the gable or keep 2332 01:30:17,840 --> 01:30:20,159 it a flat roof? No. Okay. 2333 01:30:20,159 --> 01:30:20,800 >> No, I think 2334 01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:22,080 >> in that motion. 2335 01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:23,600 >> Oh, exterior. 2336 01:30:23,600 --> 01:30:25,040 >> It may be appropriate to say exterior 2337 01:30:25,040 --> 01:30:25,600 design. 2338 01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:27,040 >> Exterior design. Okay. 2339 01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:29,280 >> Okay. I would I would entertain an 2340 01:30:29,280 --> 01:30:30,960 amendment to the motion. 2341 01:30:30,960 --> 01:30:31,600 >> You would entertain. 2342 01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:33,600 >> So, Deian, if you can amend the motion. 2343 01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:35,280 Are you Who seconded? Andrew, are you 2344 01:30:35,280 --> 01:30:37,040 okay with that amendment? 2345 01:30:37,040 --> 01:30:39,600 >> Yes. And then Jessica amend the motion 2346 01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:42,480 to not to say just the exterior material 2347 01:30:42,480 --> 01:30:44,639 but also the exterior just to say 2348 01:30:44,639 --> 01:30:46,080 exterior design. 2349 01:30:46,080 --> 01:30:46,960 >> I think it [clears throat] needs to be 2350 01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:48,480 >> Thank you. Okay. Hold on. 2351 01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:50,159 >> It's Jessica's turn. Sorry. 2352 01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:50,960 >> No, it's my turn. 2353 01:30:50,960 --> 01:30:53,679 >> And then Chrissy, would you be um amable 2354 01:30:53,679 --> 01:30:56,080 to amend the motion to just work with 2355 01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,159 council? The council works together 2356 01:30:58,159 --> 01:31:00,000 because we've already had planning 2357 01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:01,760 commission recommendations. As council, 2358 01:31:01,760 --> 01:31:03,920 we can take those recommendations and 2359 01:31:03,920 --> 01:31:06,719 apply them. We just need to work as a 2360 01:31:06,719 --> 01:31:09,600 council to come up with a consensus. 2361 01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:12,239 >> I think that Chrissy's idea of working 2362 01:31:12,239 --> 01:31:13,679 with planning commission so that we're 2363 01:31:13,679 --> 01:31:15,679 all on the same page is a good idea and 2364 01:31:15,679 --> 01:31:18,159 I don't think it's a detriment. 2365 01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:19,840 >> I'm not saying the detriment. I'm just 2366 01:31:19,840 --> 01:31:22,159 saying 2367 01:31:22,159 --> 01:31:23,040 they've already made their 2368 01:31:23,040 --> 01:31:25,040 recommendation. We've already gone 2369 01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:28,159 through that legislative process. 2370 01:31:28,159 --> 01:31:30,800 I as part of the recommendation and the 2371 01:31:30,800 --> 01:31:33,760 rationale was because as other people 2372 01:31:33,760 --> 01:31:35,440 have stated and I feel strongly about 2373 01:31:35,440 --> 01:31:38,080 that this building will stand as a 2374 01:31:38,080 --> 01:31:39,760 example of what we'd like to see in the 2375 01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:42,480 future and frankly from the discussion 2376 01:31:42,480 --> 01:31:43,600 even though I've listened to planning 2377 01:31:43,600 --> 01:31:44,719 commission and I have their 2378 01:31:44,719 --> 01:31:47,199 recommendations I'm a visual person and 2379 01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:49,679 so I need more to know that we're kind 2380 01:31:49,679 --> 01:31:51,040 of all on the same page because I would 2381 01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:53,679 hate for them to say well don't look 2382 01:31:53,679 --> 01:31:55,280 over at the fire station because what we 2383 01:31:55,280 --> 01:31:57,360 ended up with is this something 2384 01:31:57,360 --> 01:31:59,760 different. And so I'd like to have them 2385 01:31:59,760 --> 01:32:06,639 uh be on the same page. And this this is very specific to one building, 2386 01:32:06,639 --> 01:32:09,040 but I think it it's a catalyst to the 2387 01:32:09,040 --> 01:32:10,639 final discussion about what should our 2388 01:32:10,639 --> 01:32:13,120 main street guidelines be 2389 01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:14,639 >> because we've talked about different 2390 01:32:14,639 --> 01:32:16,560 materials. We've talked about 2391 01:32:16,560 --> 01:32:18,800 architectural details, all types of 2392 01:32:18,800 --> 01:32:21,360 things that we should be implementing. 2393 01:32:21,360 --> 01:32:23,520 Um but that's not the goal to have 2394 01:32:23,520 --> 01:32:25,199 within 21 days to have the main street 2395 01:32:25,199 --> 01:32:26,400 guidelines there. But I feel like we'll 2396 01:32:26,400 --> 01:32:29,760 be like 90% there to rewrite our gu our 2397 01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:32,080 main street guidelines because they will 2398 01:32:32,080 --> 01:32:33,679 go the main street guidelines will go 2399 01:32:33,679 --> 01:32:35,760 through planning commission and us. 2400 01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:37,840 >> Okay, let's go. Um Brent, 2401 01:32:37,840 --> 01:32:41,199 >> yeah, I we might need to reward the 2402 01:32:41,199 --> 01:32:43,360 motion. It's I think this is written for 2403 01:32:43,360 --> 01:32:44,800 the planning commission. It says I move 2404 01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:46,320 to recommend approval. I think as the 2405 01:32:46,320 --> 01:32:48,960 city council we move to approve the 2406 01:32:48,960 --> 01:32:51,040 construction. 2407 01:32:51,040 --> 01:32:51,600 >> Is that right? 2408 01:32:51,600 --> 01:32:53,360 >> Did you say I moved or did you say 2409 01:32:53,360 --> 01:32:55,600 >> I read it as what? I read it as printed. 2410 01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:55,920 So, 2411 01:32:55,920 --> 01:33:00,320 >> so are you amendable to 2412 01:33:00,320 --> 01:33:04,159 modify to say I move to approve as 2413 01:33:04,159 --> 01:33:06,320 opposed to I move to recommend approval? 2414 01:33:06,320 --> 01:33:08,480 >> Absolutely. Yes. To make it official 2415 01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:09,840 >> the amended motion. 2416 01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:12,480 >> Yes. And I'm just sorry just to last 2417 01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:14,800 thing Sarah and Jessica do you have any 2418 01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:16,880 other amendments or does this feel okay 2419 01:33:16,880 --> 01:33:19,440 for the very important things that you 2420 01:33:19,440 --> 01:33:22,080 have thought about that you have this 2421 01:33:22,080 --> 01:33:24,560 time to continue working on them and 2422 01:33:24,560 --> 01:33:27,040 potentially work with donors and council 2423 01:33:27,040 --> 01:33:30,239 and planning commission to find a great 2424 01:33:30,239 --> 01:33:31,600 that you can land on something you're 2425 01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:34,320 happy with. Jessica and Sarah. 2426 01:33:34,320 --> 01:33:36,639 >> Yes. I'm fine with this. I also think 2427 01:33:36,639 --> 01:33:38,560 Chad had a comment. Chad did have a 2428 01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:40,560 comment. comment comment. Chad, did you 2429 01:33:40,560 --> 01:33:42,400 want to make a comment? 2430 01:33:42,400 --> 01:33:44,960 >> Did Councilman Moon want to reply? 2431 01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:46,560 >> Oh, I was just going to say, you know, 2432 01:33:46,560 --> 01:33:48,719 you keep referring to, you know, some 2433 01:33:48,719 --> 01:33:51,120 kind of like what I'm wanting. This 2434 01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:53,520 really is consensus of our gateway 2435 01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:58,719 historic and, you know, the mission and so this isn't about me and I don't 2436 01:33:58,719 --> 01:34:01,120 think it's e also about Sarah. I think 2437 01:34:01,120 --> 01:34:04,239 it's about representing our historic um 2438 01:34:04,239 --> 01:34:06,080 heritage and making sure we get that 2439 01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:08,080 right. Thanks for that clarification, 2440 01:34:08,080 --> 01:34:08,639 Jessica. 2441 01:34:08,639 --> 01:34:10,480 >> Great clarification. Do you feel like it 2442 01:34:10,480 --> 01:34:13,600 meets that this current uh motion that 2443 01:34:13,600 --> 01:34:17,840 it meets this historical guidance 2444 01:34:17,840 --> 01:34:19,280 or that we will be able to do that in 2445 01:34:19,280 --> 01:34:19,920 the next 20? 2446 01:34:19,920 --> 01:34:21,440 >> My understanding of the motion is we're 2447 01:34:21,440 --> 01:34:24,320 now going to collaborate with planning 2448 01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:26,400 commission. I'm not sure how that 2449 01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:27,840 process is going to work together, if 2450 01:34:27,840 --> 01:34:29,840 it's going to be in public meetings. I 2451 01:34:29,840 --> 01:34:32,239 know that there's been a lot of meetings 2452 01:34:32,239 --> 01:34:34,480 um with this building that haven't 2453 01:34:34,480 --> 01:34:37,600 included, you know, very many eyes and 2454 01:34:37,600 --> 01:34:39,840 so is this going to be I think the 2455 01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,000 motion maybe should spell out what that 2456 01:34:42,000 --> 01:34:44,400 process is going to look like. 2457 01:34:44,400 --> 01:34:46,000 >> I think we'll try to figure out but 2458 01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,159 Chad, did you want to go ahead and make 2459 01:34:48,159 --> 01:34:48,960 a comment? 2460 01:34:48,960 --> 01:34:50,800 >> Yeah, if I can make just a few closing 2461 01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:52,880 comments and I want to preface it by 2462 01:34:52,880 --> 01:34:56,400 saying this is with respect. Um, I 2463 01:34:56,400 --> 01:34:58,159 actually serve on the Sandy City 2464 01:34:58,159 --> 01:34:59,920 Architecture Planning Review Committee, 2465 01:34:59,920 --> 01:35:01,600 so I understand and I get where you guys 2466 01:35:01,600 --> 01:35:04,239 are coming from and I respect it. 2467 01:35:04,239 --> 01:35:06,159 Um, you guys entered into a contract 2468 01:35:06,159 --> 01:35:08,400 with me as the architect. You hired me 2469 01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:10,480 as an architect and designer to help 2470 01:35:10,480 --> 01:35:13,120 with this process. So, I'm not going to 2471 01:35:13,120 --> 01:35:14,800 negate this, but I encourage you to 2472 01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:16,159 involve me in this process because 2473 01:35:16,159 --> 01:35:17,760 that's the whole reason you hired me. 2474 01:35:17,760 --> 01:35:19,520 Otherwise, you could have designed in 2475 01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:21,280 this room and saved yourself a ton of 2476 01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:22,800 hassle. 2477 01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:24,159 >> But I think I'm providing value. I 2478 01:35:24,159 --> 01:35:26,560 firmly believe that. That said, and I'm 2479 01:35:26,560 --> 01:35:28,080 not trying to this again, it's with 2480 01:35:28,080 --> 01:35:30,719 respect. Contractually, when we go into 2481 01:35:30,719 --> 01:35:32,239 construction administration, which is 2482 01:35:32,239 --> 01:35:33,679 what happens when drawings get submitted 2483 01:35:33,679 --> 01:35:36,239 for permit and bidding, the design phase 2484 01:35:36,239 --> 01:35:38,480 is considered complete and we go into 2485 01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:39,679 construction administration where we 2486 01:35:39,679 --> 01:35:42,080 oversee and facilitate the construction 2487 01:35:42,080 --> 01:35:44,400 via the contractor. What we're talking 2488 01:35:44,400 --> 01:35:46,000 about in this 21 days and everything 2489 01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:49,199 else beyond that is continued design. 2490 01:35:49,199 --> 01:35:51,520 And I don't have the scope or fee for 2491 01:35:51,520 --> 01:35:54,320 that. So respectfully, 2492 01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:55,679 regardless of changes are made, 2493 01:35:55,679 --> 01:35:57,280 regardless of decisions are made, the 2494 01:35:57,280 --> 01:35:58,719 timing that's spent and then whatever 2495 01:35:58,719 --> 01:36:00,719 changes come after it, there's cost 2496 01:36:00,719 --> 01:36:02,159 associated with it. I bring that up 2497 01:36:02,159 --> 01:36:03,679 purely for the fact of everyone being 2498 01:36:03,679 --> 01:36:04,880 budget conscious of what comments have 2499 01:36:04,880 --> 01:36:09,040 been made. Um, couple last things, faux 2500 01:36:09,040 --> 01:36:11,360 wood versus realwood, I 100% agree with 2501 01:36:11,360 --> 01:36:13,040 planning commission. Real wood is 2502 01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:15,840 timeless. The comments you had are 2503 01:36:15,840 --> 01:36:18,159 absolutely appropriate. The reality of 2504 01:36:18,159 --> 01:36:19,520 the reason why we wouldn't choose real 2505 01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:20,719 wood in this scenario is the maintenance 2506 01:36:20,719 --> 01:36:22,159 and the upkeep. But we get the 2507 01:36:22,159 --> 01:36:23,920 trade-offs. There are samples here. If 2508 01:36:23,920 --> 01:36:25,440 you're interested, I'm welcome to leave 2509 01:36:25,440 --> 01:36:26,960 them here. You can look at what this 2510 01:36:26,960 --> 01:36:29,040 material is intended to be like. This 2511 01:36:29,040 --> 01:36:30,639 isn't the finish. The finish is with 2512 01:36:30,639 --> 01:36:33,199 Shane. Um, and then last thing, just to 2513 01:36:33,199 --> 01:36:35,360 kind of reiterate, I don't get a vote on 2514 01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:36,800 this, and that's fine. But I also want 2515 01:36:36,800 --> 01:36:37,840 to make sure you guys understand, I'm 2516 01:36:37,840 --> 01:36:40,560 not trying to press any agenda. Um, but 2517 01:36:40,560 --> 01:36:41,920 that said, I I do feel like I have a 2518 01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,400 valued opinion based on my career, my 2519 01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:47,119 professional opinion. So, I don't need 2520 01:36:47,119 --> 01:36:48,719 to advocate for anything. I I'll let you 2521 01:36:48,719 --> 01:36:51,840 guys do your thing. I'm here. But 2522 01:36:51,840 --> 01:36:52,536 respectfully, I'm going to 2523 01:36:52,536 --> 01:36:53,760 [clears throat] let you decide what you 2524 01:36:53,760 --> 01:36:54,960 want to do. 2525 01:36:54,960 --> 01:36:56,400 >> Thank you. 2526 01:36:56,400 --> 01:36:58,000 >> Before I vote, I would like to know what 2527 01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:59,760 the plan is. When are we going to meet 2528 01:36:59,760 --> 01:37:02,719 and how any idea what the logistics 2529 01:37:02,719 --> 01:37:04,080 would look like? 2530 01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:05,440 >> I would like that to be part of the 2531 01:37:05,440 --> 01:37:07,040 motion actually so it doesn't get 2532 01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:12,709 overlooked. 2533 01:37:12,719 --> 01:37:13,520 » Sorry, I missed that. 2534 01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:15,119 >> Anyone have a proposal of when this is 2535 01:37:15,119 --> 01:37:17,040 going to happen so we don't run up to 2536 01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:18,639 the deadline and we're all scrambling 2537 01:37:18,639 --> 01:37:21,440 again? That's a great question. Maybe 2538 01:37:21,440 --> 01:37:23,040 Jessica, do you have what we can do is 2539 01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:26,639 do a work session on the 9th, maybe 2540 01:37:26,639 --> 01:37:28,719 starting at maybe 4. 2541 01:37:28,719 --> 01:37:30,719 >> So, right before we voting or 2542 01:37:30,719 --> 01:37:32,480 >> Yeah, I don't think we should wait 2543 01:37:32,480 --> 01:37:34,560 because we want renderings. 2544 01:37:34,560 --> 01:37:36,400 >> I don't think that was going to work. 2545 01:37:36,400 --> 01:37:38,239 >> How about a work session before the city 2546 01:37:38,239 --> 01:37:39,600 planning commission meet? 2547 01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:40,960 >> Yeah. Can we meet with the planning 2548 01:37:40,960 --> 01:37:42,480 commission on their day? 2549 01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:43,840 >> Can we meet with the planning 2550 01:37:43,840 --> 01:37:45,440 commission? That was my question for 2551 01:37:45,440 --> 01:37:48,400 Steve. I don't know if that's legal as 2552 01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:49,520 far as 2553 01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:51,040 >> can we do like a joint 2554 01:37:51,040 --> 01:37:52,639 >> you can have a joint work session. 2555 01:37:52,639 --> 01:37:55,119 >> Yeah. Can we do that? Yeah. Very common. 2556 01:37:55,119 --> 01:37:57,360 >> Um you just have to notice it as a 2557 01:37:57,360 --> 01:37:59,520 meeting of both the city council and the 2558 01:37:59,520 --> 01:38:00,400 planning commission 2559 01:38:00,400 --> 01:38:01,679 >> on Tuesday the 2nd. 2560 01:38:01,679 --> 01:38:02,480 >> Yeah. 2561 01:38:02,480 --> 01:38:03,360 >> Tuesday the second. 2562 01:38:03,360 --> 01:38:06,159 >> And to Chad's point, could we keep him 2563 01:38:06,159 --> 01:38:07,440 involved? Is that something he could 2564 01:38:07,440 --> 01:38:08,239 attend? 2565 01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:11,040 >> He can, but it's he's it's all billable 2566 01:38:11,040 --> 01:38:12,880 at this point. He's already done his 2567 01:38:12,880 --> 01:38:15,520 design work he's done. And so, yes, he 2568 01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,280 would love to help and continue to help 2569 01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:19,360 and will have the help of his 2570 01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:22,159 engineering firm, but no matter what, at 2571 01:38:22,159 --> 01:38:25,600 this point, the cost is um what we like 2572 01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:28,080 contracted him for, he's done with his 2573 01:38:28,080 --> 01:38:28,719 job. 2574 01:38:28,719 --> 01:38:30,800 >> So, amending the motion to specifically 2575 01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:34,719 state a work work session on June 2nd at 2576 01:38:34,719 --> 01:38:36,880 six o'clock. Are they meeting? 2577 01:38:36,880 --> 01:38:38,320 >> Yeah, I was going to say Kaden, do you 2578 01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:39,040 know their schedule? 2579 01:38:39,040 --> 01:38:41,440 >> Planning Commission? 2580 01:38:41,440 --> 01:38:42,639 I guess 2581 01:38:42,639 --> 01:38:45,280 >> I guess I can't guarantee it, but I do 2582 01:38:45,280 --> 01:38:47,360 believe that we are meeting. Yes. 2583 01:38:47,360 --> 01:38:48,719 >> Can we look on the website? 2584 01:38:48,719 --> 01:38:51,920 >> Can we do five? 2585 01:38:51,920 --> 01:38:54,159 >> It will depend on if the items are 2586 01:38:54,159 --> 01:38:57,920 complete that we're reviewing currently. 2587 01:38:57,920 --> 01:38:59,199 >> And you might you're probably not going 2588 01:38:59,199 --> 01:39:00,480 to have everyone available. I won't be 2589 01:39:00,480 --> 01:39:01,840 here for this. 2590 01:39:01,840 --> 01:39:05,360 >> Is there a reason to have it um a week 2591 01:39:05,360 --> 01:39:07,280 before? Can we we can't do it the 2592 01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:09,040 morning of or 2593 01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:10,639 >> even the day before? I think we want 2594 01:39:10,639 --> 01:39:12,800 renderings 2595 01:39:12,800 --> 01:39:14,239 of what we're going to approve. 2596 01:39:14,239 --> 01:39:16,159 >> So, you want them. 2597 01:39:16,159 --> 01:39:18,080 >> We want to give them input and we're all 2598 01:39:18,080 --> 01:39:20,400 on the same page and then Chad has his 2599 01:39:20,400 --> 01:39:22,880 time to do again what he's just done. 2600 01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:25,360 Sorry, Chad. And then that's what we're 2601 01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:27,119 voting on. If if we do it in the 2602 01:39:27,119 --> 01:39:28,800 morning, that's like such a quick 2603 01:39:28,800 --> 01:39:30,080 turnaround. 2604 01:39:30,080 --> 01:39:31,840 >> I didn't realize that's what the impetus 2605 01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,960 was. Um, 2606 01:39:34,960 --> 01:39:37,760 >> but part of the work session would be to 2607 01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:39,119 determine what would go on the 2608 01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:40,080 renderings. Right. 2609 01:39:40,080 --> 01:39:42,000 >> Right. For sure. 2610 01:39:42,000 --> 01:39:43,440 >> And then the renderings would be 2611 01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:46,080 available prior to our final our meeting 2612 01:39:46,080 --> 01:39:48,000 where we vote in on June 9th. 2613 01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:49,840 >> So, are you saying that you want Chad 2614 01:39:49,840 --> 01:39:52,320 present at our work session 2615 01:39:52,320 --> 01:39:55,920 to facilitate that or 2616 01:39:55,920 --> 01:39:57,600 >> can I make a suggestion on that? 2617 01:39:57,600 --> 01:39:59,440 >> Yeah, somebody help us. 2618 01:39:59,440 --> 01:40:01,119 >> Can disagree with me. I have not been in 2619 01:40:01,119 --> 01:40:02,560 all these construction meetings, so I 2620 01:40:02,560 --> 01:40:03,360 don't know how it works. 2621 01:40:03,360 --> 01:40:05,280 >> I think it's continued design, as he 2622 01:40:05,280 --> 01:40:07,119 mentioned. I think it'll be cheaper to 2623 01:40:07,119 --> 01:40:09,600 have him there from the get-go as 2624 01:40:09,600 --> 01:40:12,320 opposed to presenting something to him 2625 01:40:12,320 --> 01:40:14,000 later and maybe there's an issue with it 2626 01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:15,679 or whatever that he could have addressed 2627 01:40:15,679 --> 01:40:18,960 if he's there from the start. 2628 01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:20,480 So, I think it'll be cheaper. 2629 01:40:20,480 --> 01:40:22,880 >> Does that conflict with your Sandy um 2630 01:40:22,880 --> 01:40:24,000 commitment 2631 01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:29,750 >> January 2nd? I mean June 2nd. 2632 01:40:29,760 --> 01:40:31,360 Um, is it 6 2633 01:40:31,360 --> 01:40:32,480 >> next Tuesday? 2634 01:40:32,480 --> 01:40:34,719 >> Yeah, it's a week from tonight at 6. 2635 01:40:34,719 --> 01:40:36,000 >> Do it at 6:00 and then do 2636 01:40:36,000 --> 01:40:37,440 >> Well, no, planning commission starts at 2637 01:40:37,440 --> 01:40:37,760 six. 2638 01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:38,719 >> Planning commission. It would have to be 2639 01:40:38,719 --> 01:40:40,960 at like five because planning commission 2640 01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:41,840 starts at six. 2641 01:40:41,840 --> 01:40:43,440 >> It could be their first item on their 2642 01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:44,719 agenda. 2643 01:40:44,719 --> 01:40:46,400 >> A work session. We've done that before. 2644 01:40:46,400 --> 01:40:48,239 Or we can do it at 5. I don't care. 2645 01:40:48,239 --> 01:40:50,000 >> No, I'm just wondering how full their Do 2646 01:40:50,000 --> 01:40:51,280 you know how full their agenda is, 2647 01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:52,000 Kaden? 2648 01:40:52,000 --> 01:40:54,239 >> It won't be that full. Okay. Maybe an 2649 01:40:54,239 --> 01:40:55,920 item or two. 2650 01:40:55,920 --> 01:40:58,159 >> So, maybe six o'clock. 2651 01:40:58,159 --> 01:40:59,840 All right. Six o'clock June 2nd. Should 2652 01:40:59,840 --> 01:41:02,000 we amend the motion? 2653 01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:02,400 >> Are you 2654 01:41:02,400 --> 01:41:04,159 >> We can put it in the minutes, can't we? 2655 01:41:04,159 --> 01:41:05,360 >> What 2656 01:41:05,360 --> 01:41:06,560 >> do we have to amend it? 2657 01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:09,040 >> Yeah, that's They want it in the motion. 2658 01:41:09,040 --> 01:41:10,560 >> But you don't have to. You don't have to 2659 01:41:10,560 --> 01:41:12,159 agree to it. 2660 01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:13,760 >> I don't think it would hurt. As long as 2661 01:41:13,760 --> 01:41:15,840 I have Chad's looking like there's a 2662 01:41:15,840 --> 01:41:21,750 conflict. 2663 01:41:21,760 --> 01:41:23,280 » He's out of town. 2664 01:41:23,280 --> 01:41:25,520 >> I still think you could meet and figure 2665 01:41:25,520 --> 01:41:27,760 this What is your availability like, 2666 01:41:27,760 --> 01:41:30,870 Chad? 2667 01:41:30,880 --> 01:41:33,040 » Can you be on a Zoom call at 5:00 or 6 2668 01:41:33,040 --> 01:41:33,360 o'clock? 2669 01:41:33,360 --> 01:41:34,960 >> Yeah, just to make sure we're not 2670 01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:36,400 steered the wrong direction. 2671 01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:37,840 >> I'll be driving home at that time. 2672 01:41:37,840 --> 01:41:41,840 Unfortunately, um 2673 01:41:41,840 --> 01:41:44,080 within a week, mayor, 2674 01:41:44,080 --> 01:41:46,960 >> um yes, I mean like next week sometime 2675 01:41:46,960 --> 01:41:51,910 or later on 2676 01:41:51,920 --> 01:41:54,320 » uh the evening of 2677 01:41:54,320 --> 01:41:55,600 June 1st, I could be available if we 2678 01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:58,159 went to six o'clock then. 2679 01:41:58,159 --> 01:41:58,880 >> That works. 2680 01:41:58,880 --> 01:42:00,239 >> Yeah. 2681 01:42:00,239 --> 01:42:01,679 >> Monday, June 1st. 2682 01:42:01,679 --> 01:42:04,000 >> That works. We have no one here from 2683 01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:05,679 Where's Allen when we need him? He could 2684 01:42:05,679 --> 01:42:07,440 not bear to stay a minute longer. 2685 01:42:07,440 --> 01:42:09,760 >> If it's simply meeting to to continue a 2686 01:42:09,760 --> 01:42:11,920 conversation where we are right now, I'm 2687 01:42:11,920 --> 01:42:15,840 available tomorrow afternoon as well. 2688 01:42:15,840 --> 01:42:17,199 >> I don't know if that's helpful for too 2689 01:42:17,199 --> 01:42:17,440 soon. 2690 01:42:17,440 --> 01:42:18,480 >> That's I think that's really short 2691 01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:20,800 notice for our planning commission. 2692 01:42:20,800 --> 01:42:22,639 >> Uh so they do have a scheduled meeting 2693 01:42:22,639 --> 01:42:25,760 on June 2nd. I can see their 2026 2694 01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:27,119 calendar. 2695 01:42:27,119 --> 01:42:29,040 >> How many days do you need to turn around 2696 01:42:29,040 --> 01:42:32,239 to bring renderings with whatever comes 2697 01:42:32,239 --> 01:42:35,360 out of this next meeting? At the same at 2698 01:42:35,360 --> 01:42:39,280 the same if you pan up the screen Katon 2699 01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:41,199 basically a rendition of what you see 2700 01:42:41,199 --> 01:42:41,679 here. 2701 01:42:41,679 --> 01:42:42,239 >> Yes. 2702 01:42:42,239 --> 01:42:43,119 >> With something different 2703 01:42:43,119 --> 01:42:44,159 >> just graphics. 2704 01:42:44,159 --> 01:42:45,760 >> It depends on the level of of changes 2705 01:42:45,760 --> 01:42:47,520 but if it's 2706 01:42:47,520 --> 01:42:49,280 >> hair or two 2707 01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:51,119 >> it's it's hard to say. I need to look at 2708 01:42:51,119 --> 01:42:52,719 I I have other you know I have other 2709 01:42:52,719 --> 01:42:53,840 commitments and then just this this 2710 01:42:53,840 --> 01:42:55,199 obviously I want I want to facilitate 2711 01:42:55,199 --> 01:42:58,320 but not long considering I can put time 2712 01:42:58,320 --> 01:43:00,880 towards it and get after it. 2713 01:43:00,880 --> 01:43:02,880 >> I'm not trying to hold hostage. Are you 2714 01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:03,600 thinking 2715 01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:04,800 >> commit anything without knowing 2716 01:43:04,800 --> 01:43:05,520 specifics? 2717 01:43:05,520 --> 01:43:06,960 >> I feel like we're really close with what 2718 01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:11,510 he's already done, it'll be relatively 2719 01:43:11,520 --> 01:43:12,000 » click. 2720 01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:14,400 >> I'm like, do you think you'll need like 2721 01:43:14,400 --> 01:43:17,119 two days, three days? Is overnight okay? 2722 01:43:17,119 --> 01:43:17,840 Is 2723 01:43:17,840 --> 01:43:20,239 >> if we were to meet on say the first? 2724 01:43:20,239 --> 01:43:21,040 >> Yes. 2725 01:43:21,040 --> 01:43:23,760 >> I could have something to you likely on 2726 01:43:23,760 --> 01:43:25,040 the third or fourth. 2727 01:43:25,040 --> 01:43:28,310 >> Okay. 2728 01:43:28,320 --> 01:43:31,119 And then um I'm wondering besides the 2729 01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:32,880 first, do you have another date later on 2730 01:43:32,880 --> 01:43:35,840 in the week just in case I guess my 2731 01:43:35,840 --> 01:43:37,119 concern is trying to get everyone 2732 01:43:37,119 --> 01:43:39,520 together. It's an unplanned meeting and 2733 01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:41,920 I would like to try to get as many there 2734 01:43:41,920 --> 01:43:43,600 as possible. 2735 01:43:43,600 --> 01:43:46,000 >> Um I can do a lot of times later in the 2736 01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:48,800 week the third fairly open outside of 2737 01:43:48,800 --> 01:43:52,320 the morning and 2738 01:43:52,320 --> 01:43:53,119 open [clears throat] on Thursday 2739 01:43:53,119 --> 01:43:55,360 afternoon as well, 2740 01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:56,800 but it would have to be I would have to 2741 01:43:56,800 --> 01:43:58,400 be calling in for that. 2742 01:43:58,400 --> 01:43:59,760 >> That's fine. 2743 01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:02,400 >> Or later this week, mayor. I'm just 2744 01:44:02,400 --> 01:44:03,520 thinking if [clears throat] we have a 2745 01:44:03,520 --> 01:44:05,840 quorum, we need at least 24 hours to 2746 01:44:05,840 --> 01:44:06,560 notice, 2747 01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:07,679 >> right? 2748 01:44:07,679 --> 01:44:09,520 >> So like tomorrow afternoon wouldn't work 2749 01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:10,400 anyway. 2750 01:44:10,400 --> 01:44:13,360 >> So Thursday. 2751 01:44:13,360 --> 01:44:15,280 >> So are you saying this Thursday or are 2752 01:44:15,280 --> 01:44:17,360 you saying fourth? On the 4th. 2753 01:44:17,360 --> 01:44:20,000 >> On the fourth. This Thursday I'm also 2754 01:44:20,000 --> 01:44:23,600 >> Yeah. available um 2755 01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:26,960 either if we did 6 PM or 2756 01:44:26,960 --> 01:44:28,960 late afternoon. 2757 01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:32,880 >> I have a meeting on the 4th with um for 2758 01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:35,520 MAG. So that would not work. 2759 01:44:35,520 --> 01:44:36,800 >> Do you want me to go as your alternate 2760 01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:38,880 and you sit in on the fire station? 2761 01:44:38,880 --> 01:44:41,520 >> No, I need you I need you guys all to be 2762 01:44:41,520 --> 01:44:43,920 here every all voices present that we 2763 01:44:43,920 --> 01:44:46,560 can get. So let's do this. Let's we'll 2764 01:44:46,560 --> 01:44:48,880 reach out to um the other members and 2765 01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:52,159 see if we can do 1/3 or the 4th and see 2766 01:44:52,159 --> 01:44:55,040 what day we can get the most um to 2767 01:44:55,040 --> 01:44:57,600 attend and then move forward from there. 2768 01:44:57,600 --> 01:44:59,520 >> Sorry, you said the June 1st or the June 2769 01:44:59,520 --> 01:45:00,000 4th? 2770 01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:02,000 >> Yeah, you said June 3rd or 4th, correct? 2771 01:45:02,000 --> 01:45:03,679 Were those the three dates that you said 2772 01:45:03,679 --> 01:45:05,280 were possible? 2773 01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:07,280 >> Um I could do June 1st as well. June 2774 01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:08,159 1st. 2775 01:45:08,159 --> 01:45:10,880 >> Yeah, you said June 1st, 3rd, and 4th. 2776 01:45:10,880 --> 01:45:13,760 >> Or 28th, you said. 2777 01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:19,040 or or the 28. I can do tomorrow or 28th. 2778 01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:21,280 >> Tomorrow the 28th [clears throat] is an 2779 01:45:21,280 --> 01:45:22,880 option if if feasible. 2780 01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:26,000 >> 28th is my meeting that I have. Oh, so 2781 01:45:26,000 --> 01:45:27,520 I've 2782 01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:35,430 >> starting from four on. So, um Okay. 2783 01:45:35,440 --> 01:45:37,440 So, I'm we're going to amend the 2784 01:45:37,440 --> 01:45:39,199 motion. Who does somebody else have to 2785 01:45:39,199 --> 01:45:42,639 do that besides me or I do it? 2786 01:45:42,639 --> 01:45:45,760 So are I think you just have to 2787 01:45:45,760 --> 01:45:47,520 acknowledge the amendment that you 2788 01:45:47,520 --> 01:45:50,560 accept it to amend the motion and then 2789 01:45:50,560 --> 01:45:53,040 um Andrew needs to approve 2790 01:45:53,040 --> 01:45:54,000 >> for the meeting. 2791 01:45:54,000 --> 01:45:56,719 >> I do you know what the amendment is? 2792 01:45:56,719 --> 01:45:58,800 >> Would you state it please? 2793 01:45:58,800 --> 01:46:00,639 >> That's why I was looking to you. Okay. 2794 01:46:00,639 --> 01:46:02,159 Um 2795 01:46:02,159 --> 01:46:03,840 >> I can state it for [clears throat] 2796 01:46:03,840 --> 01:46:04,320 >> Okay. 2797 01:46:04,320 --> 01:46:07,600 >> Rent make a suggestion. Amend the motion 2798 01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:12,080 to set another meeting date with as many 2799 01:46:12,080 --> 01:46:13,840 of the city council and members and 2800 01:46:13,840 --> 01:46:16,000 planning commission members as possible 2801 01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:18,560 on either the 1st, 3rd, or 4th of June 2802 01:46:18,560 --> 01:46:22,960 when the architect is available. 2803 01:46:22,960 --> 01:46:24,880 >> I accept the amendment. And you? 2804 01:46:24,880 --> 01:46:26,239 >> Yes. Thank you. 2805 01:46:26,239 --> 01:46:28,159 >> Okay, let's proceed with a roll call 2806 01:46:28,159 --> 01:46:30,239 vote. Sarah Bwell, yes. 2807 01:46:30,239 --> 01:46:31,679 >> Chrissy Hanamman, yes. 2808 01:46:31,679 --> 01:46:32,560 >> Andrew Young, yes. 2809 01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:34,080 >> Bren, yes. 2810 01:46:34,080 --> 01:46:36,960 >> Jessica Simone, yes. Okay, let's move on 2811 01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:40,800 to item B. Ordinance 2026-12 2812 01:46:40,800 --> 01:46:43,119 boundary adjustment with Draper City. 2813 01:46:43,119 --> 01:46:44,239 Thank you. 2814 01:46:44,239 --> 01:46:46,880 >> Thank you, gentlemen. 2815 01:46:46,880 --> 01:46:49,679 >> See, we can do homemaking together. 2816 01:46:49,679 --> 01:46:50,960 We can make it happen. 2817 01:46:50,960 --> 01:46:52,639 >> We're going to be happy family. 2818 01:46:52,639 --> 01:46:55,600 >> Yeah. And everyone, that's good. I think 2819 01:46:55,600 --> 01:46:57,440 we made some progress. 2820 01:46:57,440 --> 01:46:58,639 >> All right. Right. So, there was already 2821 01:46:58,639 --> 01:47:03,760 discussion of we had a a discussion item 2822 01:47:03,760 --> 01:47:05,600 at the last city council meeting for 2823 01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:07,119 this 2824 01:47:07,119 --> 01:47:11,119 uh now action item. This is uh 2825 01:47:11,119 --> 01:47:14,480 discussion to amend the municipal 2826 01:47:14,480 --> 01:47:18,960 boundary with Draper City. Um and the 2827 01:47:18,960 --> 01:47:20,480 original application was submitted by 2828 01:47:20,480 --> 01:47:22,400 Dave Mortonson, surveyor with civil 2829 01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:26,159 science and that was given here in the 2830 01:47:26,159 --> 01:47:29,040 packet of the comments he made about 2831 01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:31,520 this application. 2832 01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:32,719 Hopefully you're able to review all 2833 01:47:32,719 --> 01:47:34,480 those and remember exactly what's going 2834 01:47:34,480 --> 01:47:36,239 on here. 2835 01:47:36,239 --> 01:47:40,239 Um but it's just about a half acre.45 45 2836 01:47:40,239 --> 01:47:43,440 acre uh piece of land that was is 2837 01:47:43,440 --> 01:47:46,400 currently in Draper City and is seeking 2838 01:47:46,400 --> 01:47:50,320 to be annexed into Alpine City. Um so 2839 01:47:50,320 --> 01:47:53,280 we've included the vicinity map and uh 2840 01:47:53,280 --> 01:47:55,199 the adjustment form and everything and 2841 01:47:55,199 --> 01:47:57,840 the proposed ordinance to adjust the 2842 01:47:57,840 --> 01:47:59,360 common boundaries between Alpine and 2843 01:47:59,360 --> 01:48:01,920 Draper. And so the staff recommends that 2844 01:48:01,920 --> 01:48:04,639 the city council approve the action item 2845 01:48:04,639 --> 01:48:06,719 and adjust its common municipal boundary 2846 01:48:06,719 --> 01:48:09,280 with Draper City and adopt the ordinance 2847 01:48:09,280 --> 01:48:12,480 pertaining there too. 2848 01:48:12,480 --> 01:48:16,000 And I will show the boundary 2849 01:48:16,000 --> 01:48:18,400 adjustment here on the map. So Kayen, I 2850 01:48:18,400 --> 01:48:21,600 did want to get um clarification on if 2851 01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:23,840 we accept this boundary adjustment, is 2852 01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:25,760 that an amendment to the plat or does 2853 01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,719 the plat need to be amended or is it 2854 01:48:28,719 --> 01:48:32,639 just a simple boundary adjustment? 2855 01:48:32,639 --> 01:48:34,880 >> I think that's a discussion we're 2856 01:48:34,880 --> 01:48:36,880 having. I don't know if Steve wants to 2857 01:48:36,880 --> 01:48:38,159 jump in here. 2858 01:48:38,159 --> 01:48:41,679 >> So it's what it is. It's it's a 2859 01:48:41,679 --> 01:48:44,159 municipal boundary adjustment. So it's 2860 01:48:44,159 --> 01:48:46,560 an adjustment of the municipal boundary, 2861 01:48:46,560 --> 01:48:48,960 the common boundary we have with Draper. 2862 01:48:48,960 --> 01:48:50,480 It doesn't say anything about the 2863 01:48:50,480 --> 01:48:52,960 property line adjustments or about a 2864 01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:56,719 plat. So u that's those are separate 2865 01:48:56,719 --> 01:49:00,560 issues and that's something that uh you 2866 01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:02,960 want we can look into further but at 2867 01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:04,560 this point it's not 2868 01:49:04,560 --> 01:49:06,480 >> it's not part of what we're considering 2869 01:49:06,480 --> 01:49:08,960 tonight. Just a municipal boundary 2870 01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:11,520 adjustment with the city of Draper. 2871 01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:13,520 >> Okay. Thank you. 2872 01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:15,600 Um, Steve answered my question, so I 2873 01:49:15,600 --> 01:49:18,080 don't have any further questions. 2874 01:49:18,080 --> 01:49:18,719 >> Okay. 2875 01:49:18,719 --> 01:49:19,920 >> Since we've already discussed it, should 2876 01:49:19,920 --> 01:49:20,719 we just have a motion? 2877 01:49:20,719 --> 01:49:21,119 >> Yep. 2878 01:49:21,119 --> 01:49:22,480 >> Can you go back up to the motions, 2879 01:49:22,480 --> 01:49:25,199 please? 2880 01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:26,800 >> I move to recommend approval of the 2881 01:49:26,800 --> 01:49:28,239 municipal boundary line. 2882 01:49:28,239 --> 01:49:30,719 >> Sorry, Brent. I I realize I keep saying 2883 01:49:30,719 --> 01:49:32,320 recommend in my motions. I need to 2884 01:49:32,320 --> 01:49:33,600 correct that. So, I apologize. 2885 01:49:33,600 --> 01:49:34,560 >> Did I say recommend? 2886 01:49:34,560 --> 01:49:36,080 >> You did. 2887 01:49:36,080 --> 01:49:39,119 >> All right. I move to approve the 2888 01:49:39,119 --> 01:49:40,800 municipal boundary. Whoa. moving 2889 01:49:40,800 --> 01:49:43,040 boundary line adjustment 2890 01:49:43,040 --> 01:49:44,320 screen is adjusting 2891 01:49:44,320 --> 01:49:46,000 >> between Alpine City and Draper City 2892 01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:48,000 according to the submitted application. 2893 01:49:48,000 --> 01:49:51,270 >> I second 2894 01:49:51,280 --> 01:49:52,560 um Sarah Blackwell. 2895 01:49:52,560 --> 01:49:55,119 >> Um 2896 01:49:55,119 --> 01:49:56,320 >> what is the ordinance number? 2897 01:49:56,320 --> 01:49:59,440 >> Uh it's 2026-12 2898 01:49:59,440 --> 01:50:00,719 I believe. 2899 01:50:00,719 --> 01:50:01,679 >> Is that right? 2900 01:50:01,679 --> 01:50:03,119 >> Yes, that's correct. Sorry, I should 2901 01:50:03,119 --> 01:50:03,760 have had that as well. 2902 01:50:03,760 --> 01:50:05,440 >> Ordinance 2903 01:50:05,440 --> 01:50:10,550 >> 2026-12. 2904 01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:13,199 by 2905 01:50:13,199 --> 01:50:15,920 >> your microphone mayor. 2906 01:50:15,920 --> 01:50:17,440 >> Repeat that. 2907 01:50:17,440 --> 01:50:19,199 >> It's been moved by Councilman Rumler, 2908 01:50:19,199 --> 01:50:22,000 seconded by Councilwoman Blackwell. 2909 01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:23,119 If there's no further 2910 01:50:23,119 --> 01:50:27,520 >> discussion, but I Mr. Doxy, you answered 2911 01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:29,600 a great question. I just help me 2912 01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:31,520 understand and I'm coming from a 2913 01:50:31,520 --> 01:50:33,360 protective, 2914 01:50:33,360 --> 01:50:35,920 you know, lens here. If we move the 2915 01:50:35,920 --> 01:50:39,280 boundary over, does that not require the 2916 01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:42,320 lots to move over as well? 2917 01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:46,080 And if they do that, do they not 2918 01:50:46,080 --> 01:50:47,840 do they just do is there an automatic 2919 01:50:47,840 --> 01:50:49,280 they just go completely sideways? Does 2920 01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:51,280 it happen on a diagonal? Do we even 2921 01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:55,280 care? I'm talking because this this uh 2922 01:50:55,280 --> 01:50:57,440 this municipal boundary line crosses 2923 01:50:57,440 --> 01:51:00,080 three lots. And I just want to make sure 2924 01:51:00,080 --> 01:51:02,239 we understand what we're doing and that 2925 01:51:02,239 --> 01:51:04,880 the residents understand because it's 2926 01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:06,719 very important to a lot of people and 2927 01:51:06,719 --> 01:51:08,560 this might not be a valid question. I 2928 01:51:08,560 --> 01:51:09,920 just do understand what I'm talking 2929 01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:12,400 about how it crosses three lots and 2930 01:51:12,400 --> 01:51:14,000 >> as it's currently drawn. 2931 01:51:14,000 --> 01:51:16,960 >> Yes. So as it's currently drawn but do 2932 01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:20,880 their lots not they don't cross the into 2933 01:51:20,880 --> 01:51:24,239 the no man's land. Is that not correct? 2934 01:51:24,239 --> 01:51:26,800 >> That's a separate determination. 2935 01:51:26,800 --> 01:51:28,880 I think the surveyor had some viewpoints 2936 01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:29,840 on that. But 2937 01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:31,199 >> okay, so does that 2938 01:51:31,199 --> 01:51:33,679 >> this ordinance itself would simply be to 2939 01:51:33,679 --> 01:51:36,560 move the municipal boundary to the west. 2940 01:51:36,560 --> 01:51:40,000 >> It does not touch the lots. 2941 01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:41,840 >> I don't know whether it touches the lots 2942 01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:44,639 or it doesn't. I don't think I haven't 2943 01:51:44,639 --> 01:51:46,880 looked at that made that determination. 2944 01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:49,440 I think the surveyor had some opinions 2945 01:51:49,440 --> 01:51:51,679 about that and the plat 2946 01:51:51,679 --> 01:51:52,480 >> I I could 2947 01:51:52,480 --> 01:51:54,239 >> say something about that. I thought I 2948 01:51:54,239 --> 01:51:57,040 read in this that it does move the lots. 2949 01:51:57,040 --> 01:51:58,400 So I and I don't know if that's 2950 01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:00,719 important to the residents or not, but 2951 01:52:00,719 --> 01:52:02,719 either way, I think none of us have a 2952 01:52:02,719 --> 01:52:04,560 problem in discussing this with the 2953 01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:06,639 moving of the boundary line, but I have 2954 01:52:06,639 --> 01:52:09,040 a deep concern in making sure that's all 2955 01:52:09,040 --> 01:52:11,040 we're doing. So that's why 2956 01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:12,880 >> will they need to come back for a plat 2957 01:52:12,880 --> 01:52:15,119 amendment then in order to align their 2958 01:52:15,119 --> 01:52:19,280 property with that new boundary? 2959 01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:21,840 >> I don't think I know the answer to that. 2960 01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:24,880 It may be a simple boundary adjustment. 2961 01:52:24,880 --> 01:52:27,119 Um, that's something that the that the 2962 01:52:27,119 --> 01:52:30,639 lot owners would have to figure out. And 2963 01:52:30,639 --> 01:52:34,480 u, but it's a in my mind it's a it's a 2964 01:52:34,480 --> 01:52:35,840 separate issue. Okay. 2965 01:52:35,840 --> 01:52:38,719 >> I don't think that they're I'm not sure 2966 01:52:38,719 --> 01:52:40,800 that any legal description of theirs 2967 01:52:40,800 --> 01:52:43,599 goes to a particular municipal boundary 2968 01:52:43,599 --> 01:52:44,239 line. 2969 01:52:44,239 --> 01:52:44,560 >> Okay. 2970 01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:46,159 >> And so if you move the municipal 2971 01:52:46,159 --> 01:52:48,159 boundary line, I'm not sure that changes 2972 01:52:48,159 --> 01:52:49,599 their legal description. 2973 01:52:49,599 --> 01:52:50,239 >> Okay. And so 2974 01:52:50,239 --> 01:52:52,239 >> unless it has reference to a municipal 2975 01:52:52,239 --> 01:52:52,960 boundary line. 2976 01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:54,639 >> And just for my personal clarification 2977 01:52:54,639 --> 01:52:57,040 as we're doing this motion, 2978 01:52:57,040 --> 01:52:59,520 once this happens and say the lots do 2979 01:52:59,520 --> 01:53:03,199 move, um there is no way to put any 2980 01:53:03,199 --> 01:53:06,400 other construction than residences on 2981 01:53:06,400 --> 01:53:08,639 those lots unless it goes through a 2982 01:53:08,639 --> 01:53:10,000 council with a separate vote for 2983 01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:11,440 changing zoning and changing everything. 2984 01:53:11,440 --> 01:53:12,960 Is that correct for any sort of roads, 2985 01:53:12,960 --> 01:53:16,629 paths, anything? 2986 01:53:16,639 --> 01:53:17,920 » Does does my question make sense? 2987 01:53:17,920 --> 01:53:19,920 >> If you're asking about 2988 01:53:19,920 --> 01:53:22,719 an additional road or additional lot or 2989 01:53:22,719 --> 01:53:24,880 something like that would require a plat 2990 01:53:24,880 --> 01:53:25,440 amendment. 2991 01:53:25,440 --> 01:53:27,360 >> Okay. Okay. So, thank you. Thank you for 2992 01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:28,480 your time. 2993 01:53:28,480 --> 01:53:31,199 >> So, sorry, one last question. So, they 2994 01:53:31,199 --> 01:53:32,800 wanted this boundary adjustment so that 2995 01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:34,480 they could have the correct setbacks. 2996 01:53:34,480 --> 01:53:36,719 So, will they again have to come to the 2997 01:53:36,719 --> 01:53:38,880 city in order to get that adjusted so 2998 01:53:38,880 --> 01:53:40,880 that they can have the correct setbacks 2999 01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:43,520 or automatically they're 3000 01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:45,440 >> Yeah, we'll have to see. Okay. They'll 3001 01:53:45,440 --> 01:53:47,040 have to come to the city no matter what 3002 01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:48,480 for a building permit 3003 01:53:48,480 --> 01:53:49,679 >> and then there will have to be a 3004 01:53:49,679 --> 01:53:51,679 determination of the setback at that 3005 01:53:51,679 --> 01:53:52,560 point. 3006 01:53:52,560 --> 01:53:53,280 >> Okay. 3007 01:53:53,280 --> 01:53:55,840 >> So whether that ultimately requires a 3008 01:53:55,840 --> 01:53:58,159 plat amendment or a simple boundary 3009 01:53:58,159 --> 01:53:59,840 adjustment, I don't know the answer to 3010 01:53:59,840 --> 01:54:00,880 that. 3011 01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:02,320 >> Thank you. 3012 01:54:02,320 --> 01:54:04,080 >> Okay. Let's proceed with a roll call 3013 01:54:04,080 --> 01:54:06,159 vote. Sarah Blackwell, yes. 3014 01:54:06,159 --> 01:54:07,199 >> Chris Anaman, yes. 3015 01:54:07,199 --> 01:54:08,080 >> Andrew Young, yes. 3016 01:54:08,080 --> 01:54:09,599 >> Brent Ramber, yes. 3017 01:54:09,599 --> 01:54:11,440 >> Jessica Sme, yes. 3018 01:54:11,440 --> 01:54:15,119 >> Okay, let's move on to um 3019 01:54:15,119 --> 01:54:23,189 Item C, the budget project priorities. 3020 01:54:23,199 --> 01:54:25,280 » Okay. 3021 01:54:25,280 --> 01:54:27,199 So, 3022 01:54:27,199 --> 01:54:29,679 we provided this project prior priority 3023 01:54:29,679 --> 01:54:33,360 matrix um for the council to rank uh 3024 01:54:33,360 --> 01:54:35,599 these last several projects for the 3025 01:54:35,599 --> 01:54:39,440 budget, the upcoming budget. Um there 3026 01:54:39,440 --> 01:54:40,800 were a few issues that kind of 3027 01:54:40,800 --> 01:54:43,440 complicated this. I've listed them here 3028 01:54:43,440 --> 01:54:46,480 in this cover sheet. Um, not all the 3029 01:54:46,480 --> 01:54:48,320 projects or planning efforts came from 3030 01:54:48,320 --> 01:54:51,599 the same funding pool. So, it's a it's a 3031 01:54:51,599 --> 01:54:54,400 little bit challenging to for a project 3032 01:54:54,400 --> 01:54:56,400 that maybe has four different sources of 3033 01:54:56,400 --> 01:54:58,719 funding or even two to rank it against 3034 01:54:58,719 --> 01:55:01,199 one that maybe has one one source of 3035 01:55:01,199 --> 01:55:03,119 funding. 3036 01:55:03,119 --> 01:55:05,920 Uh, 3037 01:55:05,920 --> 01:55:08,159 more direction is needed on what the 3038 01:55:08,159 --> 01:55:13,360 ranking uh numbers mean. Um, you know, I 3039 01:55:13,360 --> 01:55:15,440 think there might have been a little bit 3040 01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:19,119 of confusion like in some cases one is 3041 01:55:19,119 --> 01:55:21,199 higher than 10, but in this case 10 was 3042 01:55:21,199 --> 01:55:23,119 higher than one if it's a project that 3043 01:55:23,119 --> 01:55:25,520 you favored. 3044 01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:27,840 Um, some projects were not given 3045 01:55:27,840 --> 01:55:31,840 rankings or we didn't get a response at 3046 01:55:31,840 --> 01:55:34,000 all. So, it makes it hard to make a 3047 01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:40,080 composite um project uh ranking matrix. 3048 01:55:40,080 --> 01:55:44,239 Um and then um you know maybe we need 3049 01:55:44,239 --> 01:55:46,239 more discussion on prioritization 3050 01:55:46,239 --> 01:55:50,159 categories and how the um each category 3051 01:55:50,159 --> 01:55:52,239 is weighted 3052 01:55:52,239 --> 01:55:55,199 um you know in the future for using 3053 01:55:55,199 --> 01:55:59,920 this. Um so at this point in the budget 3054 01:55:59,920 --> 01:56:02,639 I just suggested that we 3055 01:56:02,639 --> 01:56:05,520 try to have a discussion decide which 3056 01:56:05,520 --> 01:56:08,080 projects are the priorities and then 3057 01:56:08,080 --> 01:56:10,639 kind of start earlier with this. We'll 3058 01:56:10,639 --> 01:56:13,440 have a discussion earlier on the matrix 3059 01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:15,520 leading up to even projects being put on 3060 01:56:15,520 --> 01:56:18,480 it. um determine the waiting um 3061 01:56:18,480 --> 01:56:22,239 determine what the categories are um and 3062 01:56:22,239 --> 01:56:26,080 then just make a determination of how 3063 01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:27,440 you know if this is something we're 3064 01:56:27,440 --> 01:56:29,840 going to use, how it will actually work 3065 01:56:29,840 --> 01:56:31,280 and make sure everybody has an 3066 01:56:31,280 --> 01:56:33,199 understanding of it. 3067 01:56:33,199 --> 01:56:33,920 Um 3068 01:56:33,920 --> 01:56:35,679 >> I also think it would be really helpful 3069 01:56:35,679 --> 01:56:39,920 for council to know which um bucket of 3070 01:56:39,920 --> 01:56:43,599 monies that would be funding the project 3071 01:56:43,599 --> 01:56:46,960 and what the fund balance is for that um 3072 01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:48,719 bucket of money whether you know if it's 3073 01:56:48,719 --> 01:56:52,000 for roads you know what is what do we 3074 01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:54,800 have in our budget for roads 3075 01:56:54,800 --> 01:56:57,679 >> and um how much do we have available 3076 01:56:57,679 --> 01:56:58,880 from that 3077 01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:02,320 >> and I did provide those fund balances um 3078 01:57:02,320 --> 01:57:03,920 with the budget, 3079 01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:07,440 >> but did it have like with minus all the 3080 01:57:07,440 --> 01:57:10,719 um projects that the city was putting 3081 01:57:10,719 --> 01:57:12,639 forth for maintenance and all of that 3082 01:57:12,639 --> 01:57:15,360 and then showed us what we 3083 01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:17,599 >> but in our prior 3084 01:57:17,599 --> 01:57:20,560 >> uh work sessions we talked about 3085 01:57:20,560 --> 01:57:21,920 different funding options for the 3086 01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:28,229 different proposals already. Mayor, 3087 01:57:28,239 --> 01:57:29,119 » did you hear that? 3088 01:57:29,119 --> 01:57:30,000 >> No, sorry. 3089 01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:31,760 >> Yeah. In our prior work sessions, we've 3090 01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:34,000 and we we went over these, we talked 3091 01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:35,280 about the budgets they would come out 3092 01:57:35,280 --> 01:57:37,280 of. So, I think we've already had that 3093 01:57:37,280 --> 01:57:38,000 discussion. 3094 01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:39,440 >> Yeah. So, there's there's this 3095 01:57:39,440 --> 01:57:42,960 spreadsheet, another colored one, um 3096 01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:44,560 that kind of shows projects that are 3097 01:57:44,560 --> 01:57:46,480 left in this current year's budget, like 3098 01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:50,790 a a balance as of 3099 01:57:50,800 --> 01:57:53,360 43026. 3100 01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:55,760 and then the projects remaining in this 3101 01:57:55,760 --> 01:57:58,880 budget where they'd be funded from and 3102 01:57:58,880 --> 01:58:01,119 then a a balance that would be kind of 3103 01:58:01,119 --> 01:58:03,040 the beginning of the next fiscal year. 3104 01:58:03,040 --> 01:58:05,280 And then I plugged in as the budget was 3105 01:58:05,280 --> 01:58:08,639 presented uh for the tenative budget 3106 01:58:08,639 --> 01:58:10,639 plugged those numbers in and what the 3107 01:58:10,639 --> 01:58:13,199 remaining balance would be if all of 3108 01:58:13,199 --> 01:58:16,000 those projects were funded. 3109 01:58:16,000 --> 01:58:20,080 >> Okay. I guess guess for me it's just my 3110 01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:23,280 concern is that we keep 3111 01:58:23,280 --> 01:58:27,199 um a healthy fund balance that we're not 3112 01:58:27,199 --> 01:58:30,159 draining everything. Um 3113 01:58:30,159 --> 01:58:33,520 but yeah 3114 01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:35,360 um how do you want to handle comments? 3115 01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:37,760 Do you would you like us to address our 3116 01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:41,440 top three or um just go through the list 3117 01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:43,360 and tell give our feedback on each of 3118 01:58:43,360 --> 01:58:43,520 these 3119 01:58:43,520 --> 01:58:44,800 >> and the one you like the least? 3120 01:58:44,800 --> 01:58:47,199 >> Already done that. 3121 01:58:47,199 --> 01:58:49,440 when and raccoons is not even a 3122 01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:53,360 possibility as a bottom dweller. 3123 01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:55,599 >> I'm just kidding. 3124 01:58:55,599 --> 01:58:55,920 >> Um 3125 01:58:55,920 --> 01:58:57,840 >> I say that because it's mine. 3126 01:58:57,840 --> 01:58:59,920 >> Well, and I have a just an operational 3127 01:58:59,920 --> 01:59:01,760 question. Are we going to talk about the 3128 01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:04,239 larger budget item of the water? We got 3129 01:59:04,239 --> 01:59:06,400 an email from our water committee and 3130 01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:08,880 we've already spent quite a considerable 3131 01:59:08,880 --> 01:59:11,280 amount of time on this matrix, but as a 3132 01:59:11,280 --> 01:59:13,920 council, we haven't really dove into, 3133 01:59:13,920 --> 01:59:16,719 you know, the $9 million water expense 3134 01:59:16,719 --> 01:59:20,159 that we're considering right now. 3135 01:59:20,159 --> 01:59:20,800 >> Personally, 3136 01:59:20,800 --> 01:59:24,239 >> and we have brought it up before um but 3137 01:59:24,239 --> 01:59:26,960 it definitely needs more discussion. 3138 01:59:26,960 --> 01:59:31,119 And my originally my original plan was 3139 01:59:31,119 --> 01:59:34,400 on June 9th when Zans's public finance 3140 01:59:34,400 --> 01:59:36,320 uh Mark and I don't know if Japth will 3141 01:59:36,320 --> 01:59:39,040 be here or not will present on the fire 3142 01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:41,760 station bond. Um I'd plan to have them 3143 01:59:41,760 --> 01:59:46,639 present on the PI bond as well, but I 3144 01:59:46,639 --> 01:59:48,639 feel like maybe where we're at maybe 3145 01:59:48,639 --> 01:59:52,000 have more of a discussion on that um and 3146 01:59:52,000 --> 01:59:56,320 move forward at a future meeting. Um but 3147 01:59:56,320 --> 01:59:58,320 maybe have Mark be able to answer 3148 01:59:58,320 --> 01:59:59,840 questions 3149 01:59:59,840 --> 02:00:03,360 of the council kind of share the perform 3150 02:00:03,360 --> 02:00:07,920 that uh um he shared with me. Um 3151 02:00:07,920 --> 02:00:10,480 interest rates are creeping up a little 3152 02:00:10,480 --> 02:00:14,080 bit. Um just something to keep in mind. 3153 02:00:14,080 --> 02:00:16,159 Um another thing to keep in mind, we're 3154 02:00:16,159 --> 02:00:19,679 actively looking for uh grants to help 3155 02:00:19,679 --> 02:00:22,800 with some of these projects. Uh we had a 3156 02:00:22,800 --> 02:00:25,280 meeting today with Horex Engineers with 3157 02:00:25,280 --> 02:00:29,040 three of their guys. Um one of them's 3158 02:00:29,040 --> 02:00:30,960 very knowledgeable about federal 3159 02:00:30,960 --> 02:00:33,760 programs and and he worked for a f 3160 02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:37,178 federal agency for over 25 years 3161 02:00:37,178 --> 02:00:39,199 [clears throat] and um knows all the ins 3162 02:00:39,199 --> 02:00:42,000 and outs of you know what could be a 3163 02:00:42,000 --> 02:00:43,599 good project. And so they're going to 3164 02:00:43,599 --> 02:00:47,280 help us try to you know dig into that 3165 02:00:47,280 --> 02:00:49,520 and and see where it could help for our 3166 02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:53,119 situation. So, um, if we did that and we 3167 02:00:53,119 --> 02:00:55,119 still bought it for the 9 million, I see 3168 02:00:55,119 --> 02:01:00,320 just doing more projects like to try to 3169 02:01:00,320 --> 02:01:04,159 get ahead of of things 3170 02:01:04,159 --> 02:01:07,760 >> and those are enterprise fund revenue 3171 02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:09,520 generators and expenses. 3172 02:01:09,520 --> 02:01:11,199 >> Yeah, that's still part of the overall 3173 02:01:11,199 --> 02:01:12,320 budget, but it's 3174 02:01:12,320 --> 02:01:14,239 >> it's based on those fees. 3175 02:01:14,239 --> 02:01:17,679 >> Yes. Yep. and and we actively have uh 3176 02:01:17,679 --> 02:01:21,199 work being done on our rate study for 3177 02:01:21,199 --> 02:01:23,760 the PI rates and other rates so that we 3178 02:01:23,760 --> 02:01:27,440 can look at that and you know consider 3179 02:01:27,440 --> 02:01:31,920 um raising the rates some which I've 3180 02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:34,400 actually had a lot of residents advocate 3181 02:01:34,400 --> 02:01:37,119 for said we need these improvements even 3182 02:01:37,119 --> 02:01:38,480 if you need to raise our rates 3183 02:01:38,480 --> 02:01:42,560 >> when is that coming to council 3184 02:01:42,560 --> 02:01:44,320 >> I don't have a date yet 3185 02:01:44,320 --> 02:01:46,480 >> for PI or culinary. 3186 02:01:46,480 --> 02:01:49,679 >> Yeah. Yep. I was actually emailing on 3187 02:01:49,679 --> 02:01:51,199 some things with it today. We need to 3188 02:01:51,199 --> 02:01:52,880 provide some more information. 3189 02:01:52,880 --> 02:01:54,960 >> And then I do want clarification with 3190 02:01:54,960 --> 02:01:58,480 our current water master plan 3191 02:01:58,480 --> 02:02:00,719 is the one that we're going off of. Has 3192 02:02:00,719 --> 02:02:01,920 that been approved? 3193 02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:04,000 >> It's not been approved. It's came 3194 02:02:04,000 --> 02:02:08,239 through the council. Um we had comments. 3195 02:02:08,239 --> 02:02:11,199 The We talked about this today as well. 3196 02:02:11,199 --> 02:02:13,520 The only thing that really changed for 3197 02:02:13,520 --> 02:02:16,320 the most part was updating costs to 3198 02:02:16,320 --> 02:02:17,920 current 3199 02:02:17,920 --> 02:02:20,880 our our current costs. And so 3200 02:02:20,880 --> 02:02:23,360 >> it wasn't like a major overhaul. It was 3201 02:02:23,360 --> 02:02:26,400 an update of of costs. 3202 02:02:26,400 --> 02:02:29,040 So, um it was a little bit unclear what 3203 02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:31,119 process we have to go through. I know 3204 02:02:31,119 --> 02:02:32,960 what process you have to do for a 3205 02:02:32,960 --> 02:02:36,480 full-blown master plan overhaul. Um, but 3206 02:02:36,480 --> 02:02:39,040 just updating costs. Um, we're getting 3207 02:02:39,040 --> 02:02:40,400 to the bottom of that so we can get 3208 02:02:40,400 --> 02:02:43,199 those officially approved. 3209 02:02:43,199 --> 02:02:46,880 >> Okay. 3210 02:02:46,880 --> 02:02:48,880 >> So, how did you want us to move forward 3211 02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:51,040 with this agenda item then? 3212 02:02:51,040 --> 02:02:55,270 >> So, um, 3213 02:02:55,280 --> 02:03:00,080 well, besides the water projects, um, 3214 02:03:00,080 --> 02:03:02,400 the biggest project on here, the most 3215 02:03:02,400 --> 02:03:04,719 costly project is a roundabout. And I 3216 02:03:04,719 --> 02:03:05,760 don't know, mayor, do you want to give 3217 02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:08,960 an update of of from MAG? 3218 02:03:08,960 --> 02:03:11,599 >> Yeah. No, I um I got super excited 3219 02:03:11,599 --> 02:03:13,040 because I thought we were on the list 3220 02:03:13,040 --> 02:03:14,880 because they were showing us they they 3221 02:03:14,880 --> 02:03:17,119 came up with a new matrix. So it's what 3222 02:03:17,119 --> 02:03:19,840 they call new weighted matrix and um 3223 02:03:19,840 --> 02:03:21,520 they were kind of given the example of 3224 02:03:21,520 --> 02:03:24,159 the projects in the cities and then um 3225 02:03:24,159 --> 02:03:26,320 there's a score given and then the 3226 02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:29,119 engineers score it and then you have 3227 02:03:29,119 --> 02:03:31,520 like a combined weighted score and they 3228 02:03:31,520 --> 02:03:33,520 put a list together but it was kind of 3229 02:03:33,520 --> 02:03:35,840 it wasn't real numbers 3230 02:03:35,840 --> 02:03:37,920 >> and I saw the list and we were on it. I 3231 02:03:37,920 --> 02:03:39,599 was like oh my gosh we made it. We got 3232 02:03:39,599 --> 02:03:42,480 the project and I, you know, I thought I 3233 02:03:42,480 --> 02:03:43,920 told you, but I told Brent because I was 3234 02:03:43,920 --> 02:03:46,560 so embarrassed because I was talking to 3235 02:03:46,560 --> 02:03:48,639 um Michelle Carroll, the um executive 3236 02:03:48,639 --> 02:03:51,360 director of MAG, and I just said, "I'm 3237 02:03:51,360 --> 02:03:53,599 so excited that our project made the 3238 02:03:53,599 --> 02:03:55,599 list." And she's like, "What list?" And 3239 02:03:55,599 --> 02:03:57,119 I'm like, "Well, the MAG project list." 3240 02:03:57,119 --> 02:03:59,440 She's like, "No, that's not that was 3241 02:03:59,440 --> 02:04:01,440 just an example and you've beenounding 3242 02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:03,440 us so much that we put you up there." 3243 02:04:03,440 --> 02:04:04,960 She's like, "If you noticed, your score 3244 02:04:04,960 --> 02:04:07,440 was lower than the other scores below 3245 02:04:07,440 --> 02:04:09,520 you. it's not the actual list and I'm 3246 02:04:09,520 --> 02:04:12,639 like okay thanks. So that was my 3247 02:04:12,639 --> 02:04:16,080 mistake. I was really excited about much 3248 02:04:16,080 --> 02:04:18,239 but there's still chance. So um 3249 02:04:18,239 --> 02:04:20,159 >> was it like an alphabetical order and we 3250 02:04:20,159 --> 02:04:20,880 were at the top? 3251 02:04:20,880 --> 02:04:22,960 >> No, that that was on the first the 3252 02:04:22,960 --> 02:04:25,119 firstandom was alphabetical. 3253 02:04:25,119 --> 02:04:25,679 >> Okay. 3254 02:04:25,679 --> 02:04:28,400 >> The um the final weighted but it was 3255 02:04:28,400 --> 02:04:31,599 just they just kind of did it. Um, but 3256 02:04:31,599 --> 02:04:33,760 >> historically speaking, we had two 3257 02:04:33,760 --> 02:04:35,840 >> two engineers, two traffic and safety 3258 02:04:35,840 --> 02:04:37,360 engineers suggest that we could try for 3259 02:04:37,360 --> 02:04:39,920 the MAG uh grants. I know. And then Andy 3260 02:04:39,920 --> 02:04:41,679 Spencer followed up with that. He said 3261 02:04:41,679 --> 02:04:42,639 we should try. 3262 02:04:42,639 --> 02:04:42,880 >> Yeah. 3263 02:04:42,880 --> 02:04:45,440 >> It's it is unlike most traditional 3264 02:04:45,440 --> 02:04:46,960 grants that they approve. 3265 02:04:46,960 --> 02:04:49,199 >> They're more looking at 3266 02:04:49,199 --> 02:04:51,119 >> bigger impact and impacts multiple 3267 02:04:51,119 --> 02:04:52,000 cities and things like that. 3268 02:04:52,000 --> 02:04:54,080 >> But what we have going for us though, we 3269 02:04:54,080 --> 02:04:56,320 really haven't gone after many grants 3270 02:04:56,320 --> 02:05:00,400 through MAG. Um but we are um we are up 3271 02:05:00,400 --> 02:05:02,320 against some big projects. There's a lot 3272 02:05:02,320 --> 02:05:03,840 of east west connectors that they're 3273 02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:06,239 widening. Um and then there's a lot of 3274 02:05:06,239 --> 02:05:08,719 infrastructure going on down south 3275 02:05:08,719 --> 02:05:10,960 because of their explosive growth and 3276 02:05:10,960 --> 02:05:15,040 they are putting priority on um growth 3277 02:05:15,040 --> 02:05:16,880 what they call explosive growth. 3278 02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:17,520 >> Yeah. 3279 02:05:17,520 --> 02:05:20,400 >> Um so that but like I said, I've been 3280 02:05:20,400 --> 02:05:22,560 working hard. So, we'll see if if we're 3281 02:05:22,560 --> 02:05:25,199 going to do it. I'd rather have it be 3282 02:05:25,199 --> 02:05:27,679 >> paid for as opposed to us funding it 3283 02:05:27,679 --> 02:05:30,239 because to me, us funding it is just 3284 02:05:30,239 --> 02:05:31,440 doesn't make sense to me. 3285 02:05:31,440 --> 02:05:32,719 >> So, you're saying there still is an 3286 02:05:32,719 --> 02:05:34,560 opportunity or a chance that it 3287 02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:37,280 >> we won't find out until August. 3288 02:05:37,280 --> 02:05:37,920 >> Okay. 3289 02:05:37,920 --> 02:05:39,760 >> Yeah. It's the same as it's always been. 3290 02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:42,239 Okay. But the outlook according to Jason 3291 02:05:42,239 --> 02:05:43,520 is less 3292 02:05:43,520 --> 02:05:44,000 >> less likely 3293 02:05:44,000 --> 02:05:45,679 >> optimistic than what some of the 3294 02:05:45,679 --> 02:05:47,679 engineers said might be an option for 3295 02:05:47,679 --> 02:05:48,000 us. 3296 02:05:48,000 --> 02:05:49,119 >> Okay. 3297 02:05:49,119 --> 02:05:51,840 and sorry for my exuberance. 3298 02:05:51,840 --> 02:05:54,480 >> So there's there's 16 projects on here. 3299 02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:56,880 I would suggest uh one that we just 3300 02:05:56,880 --> 02:05:58,480 scratched. It was one that we brought 3301 02:05:58,480 --> 02:06:00,719 forward as just a potential project. 3302 02:06:00,719 --> 02:06:03,199 It's the resurface of the Burgess Park 3303 02:06:03,199 --> 02:06:04,560 tennis courts. 3304 02:06:04,560 --> 02:06:06,400 >> Uh they didn't get done, so they're a 3305 02:06:06,400 --> 02:06:07,679 different color than the others. It 3306 02:06:07,679 --> 02:06:09,599 looks very odd, but I they can go 3307 02:06:09,599 --> 02:06:12,239 another year. So I I'm suggesting we 3308 02:06:12,239 --> 02:06:16,960 just scratch that one for this year. Um, 3309 02:06:16,960 --> 02:06:18,880 and I think we could narrow this down if 3310 02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:22,960 there's any other projects like that somebody's willing to say, "Hey, 3311 02:06:22,960 --> 02:06:24,800 this project of mine is a higher 3312 02:06:24,800 --> 02:06:26,960 priority than another one." 3313 02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:27,360 >> Um, 3314 02:06:27,360 --> 02:06:28,639 >> and we've talked about that before, 3315 02:06:28,639 --> 02:06:30,320 Shane, and I've mentioned it to some 3316 02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:33,199 council members, is we with the 3317 02:06:33,199 --> 02:06:34,960 roundabout proposal, it's clearly the 3318 02:06:34,960 --> 02:06:37,599 most expensive proposal. And then while 3319 02:06:37,599 --> 02:06:40,239 the installation of raised crosswalks or 3320 02:06:40,239 --> 02:06:43,840 curb extensions, that estimate was not 3321 02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:46,639 based on any true information, just some 3322 02:06:46,639 --> 02:06:48,320 number that was put out there. 3323 02:06:48,320 --> 02:06:51,440 >> I noticed a brand new curb extension at 3324 02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:54,800 the crosswalk on 11,800 3325 02:06:54,800 --> 02:06:56,480 North in Highland that looks like it's 3326 02:06:56,480 --> 02:06:58,239 brand new. I think with the cement work 3327 02:06:58,239 --> 02:07:00,079 looks like it just been done. So, I 3328 02:07:00,079 --> 02:07:03,360 asked Highland City on Saturday when I 3329 02:07:03,360 --> 02:07:06,079 saw it to give us information about the 3330 02:07:06,079 --> 02:07:08,639 cost of that. They also did one recently 3331 02:07:08,639 --> 02:07:11,599 on Canal Boulevard, not on the busy side 3332 02:07:11,599 --> 02:07:13,280 that connects the two highways, but on 3333 02:07:13,280 --> 02:07:15,360 the other side that Chrissy found 3334 02:07:15,360 --> 02:07:17,599 >> and that's right at a trail crossing. 3335 02:07:17,599 --> 02:07:19,840 And then I found out since our prior 3336 02:07:19,840 --> 02:07:22,800 discussions that they also have two 3337 02:07:22,800 --> 02:07:24,960 raised crosswalks in Highland with curb 3338 02:07:24,960 --> 02:07:27,040 extensions. So, I'm trying to figure out 3339 02:07:27,040 --> 02:07:29,679 how much those would cost. So maybe one 3340 02:07:29,679 --> 02:07:31,599 thought I had was, and I talked to 3341 02:07:31,599 --> 02:07:36,400 Andrew about this today, is we have the traffic calming budget line item and 3342 02:07:36,400 --> 02:07:38,400 the raised crosswalk with an an 3343 02:07:38,400 --> 02:07:40,639 uncertain number. Maybe we just combine 3344 02:07:40,639 --> 02:07:44,800 those and as we look at potential costs 3345 02:07:44,800 --> 02:07:47,599 and try and maybe the one the one place 3346 02:07:47,599 --> 02:07:49,760 I would I think would be a good place to 3347 02:07:49,760 --> 02:07:54,400 start would be at the crosswalk at River 3348 02:07:54,400 --> 02:07:57,119 and West Canyon Crest. that's over by 3349 02:07:57,119 --> 02:07:59,599 Burgess Park right by Timberline to 3350 02:07:59,599 --> 02:08:01,360 maybe do the curb extensions and a 3351 02:08:01,360 --> 02:08:03,040 temporary 3352 02:08:03,040 --> 02:08:05,199 raised crosswalk that's not as intrusive 3353 02:08:05,199 --> 02:08:08,000 as the temporary ones that Highland used 3354 02:08:08,000 --> 02:08:10,480 but pending a look at what those 3355 02:08:10,480 --> 02:08:11,840 potential costs would be when we get 3356 02:08:11,840 --> 02:08:13,679 more information from Highland. So maybe 3357 02:08:13,679 --> 02:08:15,920 combining those two budget categories 3358 02:08:15,920 --> 02:08:18,400 with a lesser number of dollar 3359 02:08:18,400 --> 02:08:20,560 commitment and then doing more research. 3360 02:08:20,560 --> 02:08:22,400 And you also the other thing Shane 3361 02:08:22,400 --> 02:08:24,000 recommended which I think is a great 3362 02:08:24,000 --> 02:08:28,159 idea is before we do any of these we 3363 02:08:28,159 --> 02:08:31,360 come up with a policy on where they 3364 02:08:31,360 --> 02:08:33,040 would be appropriate. So we don't have 3365 02:08:33,040 --> 02:08:36,000 residents I mean clearly every residence 3366 02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:38,880 wants better traffic [snorts] calming in 3367 02:08:38,880 --> 02:08:41,360 their area but we can't feasibly put 3368 02:08:41,360 --> 02:08:43,840 curb extensions or these other physical 3369 02:08:43,840 --> 02:08:47,599 features everywhere. But based on our 3370 02:08:47,599 --> 02:08:49,840 prior discussion with the two schools 3371 02:08:49,840 --> 02:08:51,679 the b very busy Burgess Park the 3372 02:08:51,679 --> 02:08:56,800 baseball and um residential area we've 3373 02:08:56,800 --> 02:08:58,000 talked before about that's probably the 3374 02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:00,079 best place to start just to see how one 3375 02:09:00,079 --> 02:09:01,840 works. 3376 02:09:01,840 --> 02:09:05,440 So maybe we combine those two, have a 3377 02:09:05,440 --> 02:09:08,880 lower amount as a cap, and then kind of 3378 02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:11,199 see where we are and make sure we do 3379 02:09:11,199 --> 02:09:12,000 that. 3380 02:09:12,000 --> 02:09:13,199 >> I know we're going to take turns. 3381 02:09:13,199 --> 02:09:14,960 >> So are you thinking just as like a pilot 3382 02:09:14,960 --> 02:09:17,280 to do that over on Canyon Crest and then 3383 02:09:17,280 --> 02:09:18,960 see how it works instead of going 3384 02:09:18,960 --> 02:09:21,280 through and doing a black blanket? Meow. 3385 02:09:21,280 --> 02:09:21,840 >> Exactly. 3386 02:09:21,840 --> 02:09:23,679 >> So I do have a question though on the 3387 02:09:23,679 --> 02:09:25,679 Carlton shop improvements. I'm just 3388 02:09:25,679 --> 02:09:27,599 wondering if that's something that we 3389 02:09:27,599 --> 02:09:29,440 should even be voting on that that's 3390 02:09:29,440 --> 02:09:31,040 something that to me that just seems 3391 02:09:31,040 --> 02:09:34,480 like you guys need that, don't you? Is 3392 02:09:34,480 --> 02:09:36,400 that is this the restrooms? And then 3393 02:09:36,400 --> 02:09:39,280 >> so so this is actually more like a 3394 02:09:39,280 --> 02:09:42,400 facelift. It's more exterior, but it I 3395 02:09:42,400 --> 02:09:43,920 mean we didn't go out and get a bid or 3396 02:09:43,920 --> 02:09:46,800 anything. It's just a estimate. 3397 02:09:46,800 --> 02:09:49,280 >> Um and a lot of the work like installing 3398 02:09:49,280 --> 02:09:53,920 the restroom um we could do in house. 3399 02:09:53,920 --> 02:09:56,639 So like running the sewer and water into 3400 02:09:56,639 --> 02:09:59,040 it and things like that. 3401 02:09:59,040 --> 02:10:00,400 >> I don't want to speak out of term, but 3402 02:10:00,400 --> 02:10:01,760 are you going to get feedback from each 3403 02:10:01,760 --> 02:10:04,960 of us or how are you doing this? Okay. 3404 02:10:04,960 --> 02:10:06,639 >> I was just talking about categories. 3405 02:10:06,639 --> 02:10:07,040 Sorry. 3406 02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:10,800 >> One one interesting thing I I haven't 3407 02:10:10,800 --> 02:10:16,400 had a chance to talk to Highland yet or even to talk to Jason um about this. 3408 02:10:16,400 --> 02:10:19,760 Um I received your email in the picture 3409 02:10:19,760 --> 02:10:21,520 and I wasn't aware they were doing those 3410 02:10:21,520 --> 02:10:22,560 out there. One thing that was 3411 02:10:22,560 --> 02:10:25,679 interesting to me, they've narrowed 3412 02:10:25,679 --> 02:10:27,520 their road through those curb extensions 3413 02:10:27,520 --> 02:10:30,800 to about the width of our road already. 3414 02:10:30,800 --> 02:10:33,679 So that that's a very wide road. And 3415 02:10:33,679 --> 02:10:35,280 just 3416 02:10:35,280 --> 02:10:38,159 um I think I measured on the aerial 3417 02:10:38,159 --> 02:10:40,079 photo of the asphalt, it's like 50 feet 3418 02:10:40,079 --> 02:10:43,520 or something like that. Um depending on 3419 02:10:43,520 --> 02:10:45,840 which road, if it's Canyon Crest, kind 3420 02:10:45,840 --> 02:10:49,040 of the west end, we'd have 36 feet of 3421 02:10:49,040 --> 02:10:51,360 pavement there. So, I don't know what 3422 02:10:51,360 --> 02:10:51,920 the range. 3423 02:10:51,920 --> 02:10:53,760 >> The other one in North Highland by the 3424 02:10:53,760 --> 02:10:56,000 park is the [snorts] curb extensions are 3425 02:10:56,000 --> 02:10:58,400 much shorter. So, I'm sure there's a 3426 02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:00,320 variety of lengths of curb extensions. 3427 02:11:00,320 --> 02:11:02,159 >> I know there is. I was just curious of 3428 02:11:02,159 --> 02:11:04,960 their reasoning for not going narrower, 3429 02:11:04,960 --> 02:11:05,520 I guess. 3430 02:11:05,520 --> 02:11:07,119 >> Oh, they're on that wider. 3431 02:11:07,119 --> 02:11:08,800 >> Yeah, good to know. 3432 02:11:08,800 --> 02:11:11,199 >> But that's where I think it would be 3433 02:11:11,199 --> 02:11:14,400 beneficial to have um engineering and 3434 02:11:14,400 --> 02:11:16,400 somebody that kind of specializes in 3435 02:11:16,400 --> 02:11:19,360 this kind of stuff. And there's there be 3436 02:11:19,360 --> 02:11:22,239 more going out there. But um 3437 02:11:22,239 --> 02:11:23,760 >> yeah, we talked about having fair and 3438 02:11:23,760 --> 02:11:26,079 peers do that in conjunction with the 3439 02:11:26,079 --> 02:11:27,440 moving of the crosswalk because we 3440 02:11:27,440 --> 02:11:28,560 talked about maybe doing a curb 3441 02:11:28,560 --> 02:11:29,360 extension 3442 02:11:29,360 --> 02:11:31,599 >> at the new school crosswalk, but that I 3443 02:11:31,599 --> 02:11:34,480 don't think that ever happened. 3444 02:11:34,480 --> 02:11:36,079 >> That makes sense to me. 3445 02:11:36,079 --> 02:11:38,800 >> So maybe just for the consideration is 3446 02:11:38,800 --> 02:11:40,719 lump those two together with a smaller 3447 02:11:40,719 --> 02:11:43,360 amount as a as a cap and then it could 3448 02:11:43,360 --> 02:11:45,040 be much less than that if we just do one 3449 02:11:45,040 --> 02:11:47,440 experiment to one. And then also I 3450 02:11:47,440 --> 02:11:49,760 wanted to ask about what about the cost 3451 02:11:49,760 --> 02:11:51,920 of addressing 3452 02:11:51,920 --> 02:11:53,920 Mountainville traffic this summer before 3453 02:11:53,920 --> 02:11:55,440 school starts as far as moving the 3454 02:11:55,440 --> 02:11:58,560 crosswalk and putting in the um 3455 02:11:58,560 --> 02:12:00,480 temporary island? 3456 02:12:00,480 --> 02:12:04,159 >> Um is that a separate budget item or how 3457 02:12:04,159 --> 02:12:06,800 do we address that? That's just mayor 3458 02:12:06,800 --> 02:12:09,440 that's actually included in the traffic 3459 02:12:09,440 --> 02:12:13,040 calming the like in our when we pitched 3460 02:12:13,040 --> 02:12:15,360 them that's actually the main street 3461 02:12:15,360 --> 02:12:17,520 isn't supposed to be included in the 3462 02:12:17,520 --> 02:12:19,199 traffic calming. I was going to talk 3463 02:12:19,199 --> 02:12:19,679 about it 3464 02:12:19,679 --> 02:12:21,119 >> but it's like what we're doing there 3465 02:12:21,119 --> 02:12:24,159 isn't really calming traffic. 3466 02:12:24,159 --> 02:12:27,199 Well, it goes street by if you when we 3467 02:12:27,199 --> 02:12:29,199 pitched them when we created each budget 3468 02:12:29,199 --> 02:12:31,599 item. The and I'll I'll wait till my 3469 02:12:31,599 --> 02:12:33,199 turn to really talk about this, but the 3470 02:12:33,199 --> 02:12:35,199 traffic combing basically went through 3471 02:12:35,199 --> 02:12:39,199 Main Street, Westfield, Canyon Crest, um 3472 02:12:39,199 --> 02:12:44,400 Grove, uh Alpine, uh Boulevard, and Fort 3473 02:12:44,400 --> 02:12:47,520 Canyon. And it tried to include minor 3474 02:12:47,520 --> 02:12:49,440 improvements on all of them. 3475 02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:51,599 >> Right. I don't see 50,000 covering all 3476 02:12:51,599 --> 02:12:53,199 of that. But I think what I would like 3477 02:12:53,199 --> 02:12:55,199 to see is I do like 3478 02:12:55,199 --> 02:12:59,040 >> the what the number there may was uh it 3479 02:12:59,040 --> 02:13:00,480 wasn't supposed to be 50 grand. It was 3480 02:13:00,480 --> 02:13:01,760 supposed to be we were just I didn't 3481 02:13:01,760 --> 02:13:03,119 know what the number is so I just put 3482 02:13:03,119 --> 02:13:04,800 that as it and then ideally I was 3483 02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:06,239 looking at the date. This might be 3484 02:13:06,239 --> 02:13:08,960 something we'll get to. Uh it looks like 3485 02:13:08,960 --> 02:13:14,800 the date is June 23rd where we really want to have 3486 02:13:14,800 --> 02:13:16,719 everything put together. Is that it? Is 3487 02:13:16,719 --> 02:13:19,040 that the date? I I was hoping maybe we 3488 02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:20,719 could have some time over these next 3489 02:13:20,719 --> 02:13:23,360 weeks where for certain ones of these 3490 02:13:23,360 --> 02:13:24,400 that we really want to do, we could 3491 02:13:24,400 --> 02:13:26,079 really research and get bids and find 3492 02:13:26,079 --> 02:13:27,599 out the numbers. 3493 02:13:27,599 --> 02:13:30,400 >> But I know that you know that addressing 3494 02:13:30,400 --> 02:13:32,800 Main Street traffic has been 3495 02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:35,040 >> a primary concern for everybody. So I 3496 02:13:35,040 --> 02:13:37,840 just want to make sure that specifically 3497 02:13:37,840 --> 02:13:40,719 >> is a priority and that is timesensitive 3498 02:13:40,719 --> 02:13:42,560 that we have we you know we only have a 3499 02:13:42,560 --> 02:13:43,679 handful of months 3500 02:13:43,679 --> 02:13:45,360 >> to be able to get that done. I just 3501 02:13:45,360 --> 02:13:48,239 wanted I didn't see it and to me I guess 3502 02:13:48,239 --> 02:13:50,239 I was looking at traffic calming kind of 3503 02:13:50,239 --> 02:13:53,119 what um Brent was referring to. 3504 02:13:53,119 --> 02:13:53,599 >> No, I 3505 02:13:53,599 --> 02:13:55,679 >> Andrew lumped it together with some 3506 02:13:55,679 --> 02:13:56,960 crosswalk improvements. 3507 02:13:56,960 --> 02:13:58,960 >> I lumped it together. Would it be okay 3508 02:13:58,960 --> 02:14:02,159 uh Shane to take one like traffic 3509 02:14:02,159 --> 02:14:04,320 calming or whatever and we could bullet 3510 02:14:04,320 --> 02:14:08,480 them out for like main street this this for the specifics? 3511 02:14:08,480 --> 02:14:09,040 >> Yeah. 3512 02:14:09,040 --> 02:14:10,239 >> Okay. 3513 02:14:10,239 --> 02:14:12,480 Um Sarah. 3514 02:14:12,480 --> 02:14:14,960 >> Okay. In general, I I feel like things 3515 02:14:14,960 --> 02:14:17,440 that support life and safety are 3516 02:14:17,440 --> 02:14:19,440 probably my priorities. So, I know that 3517 02:14:19,440 --> 02:14:22,800 the water is not on here, but I would be 3518 02:14:22,800 --> 02:14:25,280 in favor of making sure that we are 3519 02:14:25,280 --> 02:14:28,560 taking care of our um improvements for 3520 02:14:28,560 --> 02:14:32,159 PI and culinary. Um, aside from that, 3521 02:14:32,159 --> 02:14:34,800 when it comes to safety concerns, um, I 3522 02:14:34,800 --> 02:14:37,199 do like the idea of the roundabout 3523 02:14:37,199 --> 02:14:39,760 because I think it not only helps with 3524 02:14:39,760 --> 02:14:43,760 kind of like some traffic flow, but also 3525 02:14:43,760 --> 02:14:47,119 provides some um, more visibility, 3526 02:14:47,119 --> 02:14:50,800 safety, slows traffic down. Um, I I 3527 02:14:50,800 --> 02:14:53,119 personally have seen two people almost 3528 02:14:53,119 --> 02:14:59,360 get hit there. So, maybe that's where my personal experience is coming in. Um, 3529 02:14:59,360 --> 02:15:01,760 and then another one with safety is 3530 02:15:01,760 --> 02:15:04,880 actually sidewalk improvements. I did go 3531 02:15:04,880 --> 02:15:07,360 walk that part of Grove Drive where 3532 02:15:07,360 --> 02:15:09,440 Alpine Boulevard kind of is. And I know 3533 02:15:09,440 --> 02:15:12,320 that school children walk that to meet 3534 02:15:12,320 --> 02:15:15,440 the bus and it's very unsafe. So, that 3535 02:15:15,440 --> 02:15:18,320 would be another one that I would be a 3536 02:15:18,320 --> 02:15:21,119 huge proponent of. Um, I do love the 3537 02:15:21,119 --> 02:15:26,159 idea of Ranch Drive. However, I I I feel 3538 02:15:26,159 --> 02:15:28,639 like maybe waiting till we get a a 3539 02:15:28,639 --> 02:15:30,079 developer, but I know that's going to be 3540 02:15:30,079 --> 02:15:31,840 a few years out, but I feel like that 3541 02:15:31,840 --> 02:15:34,239 would really help with some traffic. Um, 3542 02:15:34,239 --> 02:15:37,440 as far as the park improvements go, I 3543 02:15:37,440 --> 02:15:39,679 love parks and I would love to see 3544 02:15:39,679 --> 02:15:41,599 improvements. However, I wonder if 3545 02:15:41,599 --> 02:15:44,320 waiting till we see get our parks master 3546 02:15:44,320 --> 02:15:46,639 plan. Not that we can't tell what 3547 02:15:46,639 --> 02:15:48,639 improvements need to be made at those, 3548 02:15:48,639 --> 02:15:51,599 but um it would be nice before we start 3549 02:15:51,599 --> 02:15:53,599 putting money into those if we had that 3550 02:15:53,599 --> 02:15:56,480 as kind of like confirmation or data so 3551 02:15:56,480 --> 02:15:59,920 to speak to justify what sort of changes 3552 02:15:59,920 --> 02:16:04,239 we're doing in those parks. Um and I 3553 02:16:04,239 --> 02:16:06,560 personally did don't have a a project 3554 02:16:06,560 --> 02:16:09,440 that I submitted on this entire list. 3555 02:16:09,440 --> 02:16:12,560 So, I I'm not I hope I don't offend with 3556 02:16:12,560 --> 02:16:14,639 my opinion for those of you who have 3557 02:16:14,639 --> 02:16:18,320 submitted project ideas. Um, I did reach 3558 02:16:18,320 --> 02:16:20,239 out to a resident that has issues with 3559 02:16:20,239 --> 02:16:23,520 raccoons and it's it is a little bit 3560 02:16:23,520 --> 02:16:24,960 more than just 3561 02:16:24,960 --> 02:16:26,800 >> Wait, hold on. Issues with the budget to 3562 02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:28,639 put it in there or issues actually 3563 02:16:28,639 --> 02:16:29,840 >> with the raccoons themselves? 3564 02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:30,719 >> Okay. I didn't know. 3565 02:16:30,719 --> 02:16:33,439 >> And so, I I do recognize that it's more 3566 02:16:33,439 --> 02:16:35,599 than just a nuisance. It is a little bit 3567 02:16:35,599 --> 02:16:39,200 of a almost like a danger. I mean, she's 3568 02:16:39,200 --> 02:16:40,960 almost attacked. Her grandkids can't go 3569 02:16:40,960 --> 02:16:43,519 out and play. But I I I do kind of feel 3570 02:16:43,519 --> 02:16:47,359 like maybe that and fire mitigation are 3571 02:16:47,359 --> 02:16:49,920 things that individual property owners 3572 02:16:49,920 --> 02:16:52,080 can take care of as if I'm prioritizing 3573 02:16:52,080 --> 02:16:54,880 them. Um 3574 02:16:54,880 --> 02:16:57,519 and then history projects. 3575 02:16:57,519 --> 02:16:59,439 Um, I would love to meet with the 3576 02:16:59,439 --> 02:17:03,040 history committee first, but um, if we 3577 02:17:03,040 --> 02:17:05,359 can get a grant, if then those are ones 3578 02:17:05,359 --> 02:17:08,319 that I would prefer to wait on. And so 3579 02:17:08,319 --> 02:17:10,319 those are those are in the Carlton shop. 3580 02:17:10,319 --> 02:17:12,399 Like I definitely feel like they need a 3581 02:17:12,399 --> 02:17:15,599 restroom there at the very least. 3582 02:17:15,599 --> 02:17:19,120 So, um, that's more of quality of life, 3583 02:17:19,120 --> 02:17:21,280 I think. 3584 02:17:21,280 --> 02:17:22,960 So, maybe that doesn't fall into the 3585 02:17:22,960 --> 02:17:25,200 life and safety, but quality of life for 3586 02:17:25,200 --> 02:17:27,519 sure. Um, so I don't know if that's 3587 02:17:27,519 --> 02:17:29,439 helpful what I've said. If I had to pick 3588 02:17:29,439 --> 02:17:32,479 top three, I mean, obviously if water 3589 02:17:32,479 --> 02:17:34,240 was on here, that' probably be on my top 3590 02:17:34,240 --> 02:17:35,679 list, but since it's not, it would 3591 02:17:35,679 --> 02:17:38,319 probably be roundabout, sidewalk 3592 02:17:38,319 --> 02:17:40,719 improvements, 3593 02:17:40,719 --> 02:17:44,479 and I don't know, those are. And then I 3594 02:17:44,479 --> 02:17:46,399 would love Ranch Drive, but I would 3595 02:17:46,399 --> 02:17:48,479 prefer to wait if someone else can. 3596 02:17:48,479 --> 02:17:50,880 >> Ranch Drive. Jason, I was wondering um 3597 02:17:50,880 --> 02:17:52,880 because I've talked to Mag about the 3598 02:17:52,880 --> 02:17:55,359 Ranch Drive extension. They said it 3599 02:17:55,359 --> 02:17:58,559 needs to get on the trans 50 and um I 3600 02:17:58,559 --> 02:18:00,319 haven't been able to get that done. I'm 3601 02:18:00,319 --> 02:18:02,080 wondering if you can work with the TAT 3602 02:18:02,080 --> 02:18:05,599 committee and figure out how I haven't 3603 02:18:05,599 --> 02:18:09,280 been able because it's such a 3604 02:18:09,280 --> 02:18:11,760 expensive proposition to have it come to 3605 02:18:11,760 --> 02:18:13,920 fruition. I don't see us having it 3606 02:18:13,920 --> 02:18:16,399 happen any other way other than one 3607 02:18:16,399 --> 02:18:19,280 either MAG steps in and picks it as a 3608 02:18:19,280 --> 02:18:21,280 project or [clears throat] two a 3609 02:18:21,280 --> 02:18:24,319 developer comes in and does it. um if 3610 02:18:24,319 --> 02:18:26,559 you can figure out if there's any way 3611 02:18:26,559 --> 02:18:31,359 for us to get that to be a project that 3612 02:18:31,359 --> 02:18:32,960 would because I know they're talking 3613 02:18:32,960 --> 02:18:34,719 about it has to be inter um 3614 02:18:34,719 --> 02:18:37,280 jurisdictional which I feel like we can 3615 02:18:37,280 --> 02:18:39,439 kind of um qualify because it is very 3616 02:18:39,439 --> 02:18:41,439 close to Highland the Highland city 3617 02:18:41,439 --> 02:18:44,000 border and then also we have residents 3618 02:18:44,000 --> 02:18:49,040 coming from Cedar Hills, Highland and um 3619 02:18:49,040 --> 02:18:51,040 Cedar Hills, Highland I think those and 3620 02:18:51,040 --> 02:18:53,519 Lehi coming through to go go to those 3621 02:18:53,519 --> 02:18:56,639 schools that we have. And so there is it 3622 02:18:56,639 --> 02:18:58,719 is I know that there's projects that are 3623 02:18:58,719 --> 02:19:02,000 entirely within the city that um 3624 02:19:02,000 --> 02:19:04,000 benefits other jurisdictions. And I was 3625 02:19:04,000 --> 02:19:05,599 wondering if we can somehow put it that 3626 02:19:05,599 --> 02:19:06,960 way. If you can figure out through the 3627 02:19:06,960 --> 02:19:09,280 TAC committee to do that and then I'll 3628 02:19:09,280 --> 02:19:12,000 work with um Lenise of the director of 3629 02:19:12,000 --> 02:19:15,200 the MO to see how we can get that to 3630 02:19:15,200 --> 02:19:17,200 happen. Okay. [clears throat] 3631 02:19:17,200 --> 02:19:19,040 >> And then just on that same topic of the 3632 02:19:19,040 --> 02:19:21,920 ranch extension, I I I think it would be 3633 02:19:21,920 --> 02:19:23,599 great. I'm I think it would be helpful 3634 02:19:23,599 --> 02:19:26,880 in so many ways. Um Shane has mentioned 3635 02:19:26,880 --> 02:19:29,679 in our prior work sessions that 3636 02:19:29,679 --> 02:19:32,240 the we would more do this start the 3637 02:19:32,240 --> 02:19:34,271 planning and maybe and and that's part 3638 02:19:34,271 --> 02:19:35,840 [clears throat] of that part of Carla's 3639 02:19:35,840 --> 02:19:37,359 direction to Jason was part of that 3640 02:19:37,359 --> 02:19:39,519 planning. So being more forward thinking 3641 02:19:39,519 --> 02:19:42,559 preparing for that so we have a plan 3642 02:19:42,559 --> 02:19:44,719 when either MAG comes through or a 3643 02:19:44,719 --> 02:19:47,200 developer comes in we're ready to go and 3644 02:19:47,200 --> 02:19:49,439 do what we need to. And and on that one, 3645 02:19:49,439 --> 02:19:52,000 I think at this point we're probably 3646 02:19:52,000 --> 02:19:55,600 more at the 10,000 foot level and the 3647 02:19:55,600 --> 02:19:57,439 planning efforts at that level. I think 3648 02:19:57,439 --> 02:19:59,840 we can take care of inhouse with 3649 02:19:59,840 --> 02:20:02,640 essentially no budget. Um we can work 3650 02:20:02,640 --> 02:20:05,760 through, you know, a a conceptual 3651 02:20:05,760 --> 02:20:08,319 alignment. We can work take that, show 3652 02:20:08,319 --> 02:20:12,080 it to Metro Water. um they can say no 3653 02:20:12,080 --> 02:20:14,479 that absolutely won't work for us or you 3654 02:20:14,479 --> 02:20:17,120 need to change this or whatever just to 3655 02:20:17,120 --> 02:20:20,000 get to that point. I don't I don't 3656 02:20:20,000 --> 02:20:22,960 really see we need any budget to do 3657 02:20:22,960 --> 02:20:25,840 that. If if it comes to the point that 3658 02:20:25,840 --> 02:20:28,080 we do um we have a little bit of 3659 02:20:28,080 --> 02:20:30,640 built-in u budget for professional 3660 02:20:30,640 --> 02:20:33,120 services in the planning part of our 3661 02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:37,280 general um fund and we could draw off of 3662 02:20:37,280 --> 02:20:40,080 that without having a specific project 3663 02:20:40,080 --> 02:20:41,280 in here. 3664 02:20:41,280 --> 02:20:42,560 >> And Chrissy, I really appreciate you 3665 02:20:42,560 --> 02:20:44,000 bringing this forward because I think it 3666 02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:46,319 would be a huge improvement especially 3667 02:20:46,319 --> 02:20:48,479 for that west side. 3668 02:20:48,479 --> 02:20:50,319 >> Matt does have budgeting for planning 3669 02:20:50,319 --> 02:20:51,680 too. 3670 02:20:51,680 --> 02:20:53,280 >> Um 3671 02:20:53,280 --> 02:20:54,240 planning projects. 3672 02:20:54,240 --> 02:20:55,840 >> We could have Jason talk to them about 3673 02:20:55,840 --> 02:20:57,040 that as well. 3674 02:20:57,040 --> 02:20:59,200 >> I think um that's a great idea because 3675 02:20:59,200 --> 02:21:02,479 from experience working with the the the 3676 02:21:02,479 --> 02:21:05,280 water easement and the power easement 3677 02:21:05,280 --> 02:21:07,439 slow. 3678 02:21:07,439 --> 02:21:09,760 So if we start it now, we might get an 3679 02:21:09,760 --> 02:21:12,800 answer in a year and then maybe you know 3680 02:21:12,800 --> 02:21:14,319 the other one will come around in two 3681 02:21:14,319 --> 02:21:17,760 years. Who knows? Slow. So I don't see 3682 02:21:17,760 --> 02:21:21,760 like how it would hurt to get at least 3683 02:21:21,760 --> 02:21:23,439 like you said get have a proposal to 3684 02:21:23,439 --> 02:21:25,439 know that this would be acceptable to 3685 02:21:25,439 --> 02:21:27,120 those land owners because their 3686 02:21:27,120 --> 02:21:30,319 easements are pretty restrictive. 3687 02:21:30,319 --> 02:21:32,160 >> Could I just add one more thing to my 3688 02:21:32,160 --> 02:21:34,800 comments and that is that if I know we 3689 02:21:34,800 --> 02:21:37,120 have park tax and we have that might be 3690 02:21:37,120 --> 02:21:39,200 a separate bucket bucket than any of the 3691 02:21:39,200 --> 02:21:40,560 other things that I've mentioned that I 3692 02:21:40,560 --> 02:21:43,200 feel like are priorities. So, if that is 3693 02:21:43,200 --> 02:21:47,520 the case, then I, you know, um, Backill 3694 02:21:47,520 --> 02:21:50,399 Park and Peterson Park, I feel like when 3695 02:21:50,399 --> 02:21:52,880 we start looking at what projects to 3696 02:21:52,880 --> 02:21:54,640 tackle first, like I think we should 3697 02:21:54,640 --> 02:21:56,560 prioritize those. And same when it comes 3698 02:21:56,560 --> 02:21:59,040 to history, if we if we set aside some 3699 02:21:59,040 --> 02:22:01,280 money for history preservation or relic 3700 02:22:01,280 --> 02:22:07,040 hall or DUP, like those should be the top three that we start with. So 3701 02:22:07,040 --> 02:22:09,600 >> yeah, if they can do something that will 3702 02:22:09,600 --> 02:22:11,439 kind of help preserve relic hall because 3703 02:22:11,439 --> 02:22:13,760 it's kind of deteriorating. So if you 3704 02:22:13,760 --> 02:22:16,080 know that would be important for sure. 3705 02:22:16,080 --> 02:22:18,240 >> Okay. Anything else? Sarah, 3706 02:22:18,240 --> 02:22:19,840 >> mayor, if I can just make comment on the 3707 02:22:19,840 --> 02:22:22,479 parks plan. Um our consultant has told 3708 02:22:22,479 --> 02:22:23,920 us that they're getting very good 3709 02:22:23,920 --> 02:22:27,280 response on the um survey. I think they 3710 02:22:27,280 --> 02:22:32,000 have it like 200 three about 300 um 3711 02:22:32,000 --> 02:22:34,960 responses which they feel is fantastic 3712 02:22:34,960 --> 02:22:38,880 for a project this size and so I think 3713 02:22:38,880 --> 02:22:40,720 we're going to get some really good 3714 02:22:40,720 --> 02:22:43,040 information out of this that will help 3715 02:22:43,040 --> 02:22:45,600 us uh plan these projects. 3716 02:22:45,600 --> 02:22:47,439 >> Thank you Chrissy. 3717 02:22:47,439 --> 02:22:49,040 >> I actually did a little PowerPoint 3718 02:22:49,040 --> 02:22:50,479 because my thoughts were all over the 3719 02:22:50,479 --> 02:22:54,399 map. Can you pull that up? Thank you. So 3720 02:22:54,399 --> 02:22:56,080 these are my priorities. I try to 3721 02:22:56,080 --> 02:23:00,000 simplify just next. 3722 02:23:00,000 --> 02:23:02,399 So I really felt the Carlton shop um 3723 02:23:02,399 --> 02:23:04,000 deserved 3724 02:23:04,000 --> 02:23:07,600 uh the first in line. First of all, we 3725 02:23:07,600 --> 02:23:10,160 made a big investment in it and it's not 3726 02:23:10,160 --> 02:23:11,760 um maybe it's not attractive, but I 3727 02:23:11,760 --> 02:23:12,960 didn't I thought this was to make it 3728 02:23:12,960 --> 02:23:15,280 more useful as well. So there's no 3729 02:23:15,280 --> 02:23:17,359 reason to have a a building that doesn't 3730 02:23:17,359 --> 02:23:18,960 really function because we've already 3731 02:23:18,960 --> 02:23:21,359 bought it. So I felt like that moved to 3732 02:23:21,359 --> 02:23:23,040 the top for me. It also benefits 3733 02:23:23,040 --> 02:23:26,000 multiple departments and so um that was 3734 02:23:26,000 --> 02:23:29,040 shown in the funding allocation. Um the 3735 02:23:29,040 --> 02:23:31,520 next thing is the park funding and the 3736 02:23:31,520 --> 02:23:33,520 general fund which I have other slides 3737 02:23:33,520 --> 02:23:37,120 for so go down. Um the Carlton shop I 3738 02:23:37,120 --> 02:23:39,520 think I jumped the gun. Keep going. Next 3739 02:23:39,520 --> 02:23:42,000 slide. I already talked about that. So 3740 02:23:42,000 --> 02:23:44,399 let's go to the park tax funds. I just 3741 02:23:44,399 --> 02:23:46,240 really would like a more long-term 3742 02:23:46,240 --> 02:23:48,800 strategy so that we're sort of putting a 3743 02:23:48,800 --> 02:23:51,040 bucket of money into the parks, which is 3744 02:23:51,040 --> 02:23:54,560 our biggest um capital needs, and then 3745 02:23:54,560 --> 02:23:56,640 but without neglecting arts, recreation, 3746 02:23:56,640 --> 02:23:58,880 and culture. And if we could even have 3747 02:23:58,880 --> 02:24:01,359 like a a policy or some recommendation 3748 02:24:01,359 --> 02:24:03,600 from year to year, that would help us, I 3749 02:24:03,600 --> 02:24:06,000 feel like, prioritize things. And if 3750 02:24:06,000 --> 02:24:09,120 things come up that need more than one 3751 02:24:09,120 --> 02:24:10,560 year of funding, just like we did the 3752 02:24:10,560 --> 02:24:12,479 fire station, we could just set it aside 3753 02:24:12,479 --> 02:24:14,560 and know that that's what it's for. Um, 3754 02:24:14,560 --> 02:24:17,439 go to the next slide. So, just a 3755 02:24:17,439 --> 02:24:19,760 reminder, the pictures we have parks, 3756 02:24:19,760 --> 02:24:22,640 art, culture, and recreation. So, if the 3757 02:24:22,640 --> 02:24:26,880 biggest lump was 75% in of 120, which is 3758 02:24:26,880 --> 02:24:29,680 estimated, we'd have 90,000. And I feel 3759 02:24:29,680 --> 02:24:31,280 like we're waiting for the master plan. 3760 02:24:31,280 --> 02:24:33,200 So we just earmark it and say what is 3761 02:24:33,200 --> 02:24:35,680 our top priority based on the master 3762 02:24:35,680 --> 02:24:37,840 plan and what would 90,000 buy us will 3763 02:24:37,840 --> 02:24:40,479 that get us one project two projects you 3764 02:24:40,479 --> 02:24:43,120 know five projects what whatever that we 3765 02:24:43,120 --> 02:24:45,040 can at least determine that based on the 3766 02:24:45,040 --> 02:24:47,359 professional recommendation and then the 3767 02:24:47,359 --> 02:24:50,319 arts and recreation those are just round 3768 02:24:50,319 --> 02:24:53,280 rounding numbers um again like I'm not 3769 02:24:53,280 --> 02:24:55,600 sure what we can do but we have a new 3770 02:24:55,600 --> 02:24:57,680 civic building that will be done and 3771 02:24:57,680 --> 02:24:59,760 that would be nice to utilize it in some 3772 02:24:59,760 --> 02:25:01,760 way and Again, if it doesn't all get 3773 02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:04,000 spent in one year, that's okay because 3774 02:25:04,000 --> 02:25:06,160 um we we like we know things can roll 3775 02:25:06,160 --> 02:25:08,880 from year to year. So, I would like some 3776 02:25:08,880 --> 02:25:11,200 to to establish some type of parameters 3777 02:25:11,200 --> 02:25:14,800 to say that we're going to uh spend a 3778 02:25:14,800 --> 02:25:17,200 bulk here and the remainder in another 3779 02:25:17,200 --> 02:25:18,800 set and that could be open to future 3780 02:25:18,800 --> 02:25:21,359 discussion. Then lastly, I took all the 3781 02:25:21,359 --> 02:25:22,800 rest of the projects and I kind of 3782 02:25:22,800 --> 02:25:24,720 realized everything else deals with 3783 02:25:24,720 --> 02:25:28,479 streets or open space. And so again, 3784 02:25:28,479 --> 02:25:30,720 like I know that the matrix was not 3785 02:25:30,720 --> 02:25:33,680 designed well. And so if we looked at 3786 02:25:33,680 --> 02:25:35,040 just the streets, what would be our 3787 02:25:35,040 --> 02:25:37,840 priority projects? Just the open space, 3788 02:25:37,840 --> 02:25:40,800 what would those be? Um, and based on 3789 02:25:40,800 --> 02:25:43,200 these comments, I think like we're all 3790 02:25:43,200 --> 02:25:45,200 in line. We just don't know how much 3791 02:25:45,200 --> 02:25:46,880 money to spend. So kind of like with the 3792 02:25:46,880 --> 02:25:48,880 parks where we say we're going to spend 3793 02:25:48,880 --> 02:25:51,040 X dollars this year and see how far down 3794 02:25:51,040 --> 02:25:53,520 the list we go. I feel like that would 3795 02:25:53,520 --> 02:25:56,800 be um a good way to do it. or we have 3796 02:25:56,800 --> 02:25:58,640 staff go through our projects and say 3797 02:25:58,640 --> 02:26:00,800 this is what's you know the highest need 3798 02:26:00,800 --> 02:26:02,960 like they call it a heat map where like 3799 02:26:02,960 --> 02:26:05,120 we're seeing the most traffic incidents 3800 02:26:05,120 --> 02:26:07,280 or something like you were said some 3801 02:26:07,280 --> 02:26:09,920 type of criteria for all of our traffic 3802 02:26:09,920 --> 02:26:12,800 calming to say that it's necessary or 3803 02:26:12,800 --> 02:26:15,359 necessary but that it meets the criteria 3804 02:26:15,359 --> 02:26:17,760 for what we're looking for for um 3805 02:26:17,760 --> 02:26:19,200 installing something because we will 3806 02:26:19,200 --> 02:26:22,160 hear a lot of um people want requesting 3807 02:26:22,160 --> 02:26:23,600 things and so we'd need some kind of 3808 02:26:23,600 --> 02:26:27,359 criteria to say Why why is it justified? 3809 02:26:27,359 --> 02:26:30,960 Um other than that people made a mention 3810 02:26:30,960 --> 02:26:34,000 of it. Um I did agree with with your 3811 02:26:34,000 --> 02:26:36,319 comments about sidewalk improvements. I 3812 02:26:36,319 --> 02:26:38,960 don't know how else that would be funded 3813 02:26:38,960 --> 02:26:42,800 other um than I a developer coming 3814 02:26:42,800 --> 02:26:45,040 along. But if the developer doesn't come 3815 02:26:45,040 --> 02:26:46,800 along, does that fall back to us? That 3816 02:26:46,800 --> 02:26:48,880 was just a question I had. Again, this 3817 02:26:48,880 --> 02:26:50,800 is all in the bucket of streets and then 3818 02:26:50,800 --> 02:26:54,479 over here in open space. Um I you know 3819 02:26:54,479 --> 02:26:57,520 based on the comments from our chief on 3820 02:26:57,520 --> 02:26:59,600 the fire prevention I don't know how 3821 02:26:59,600 --> 02:27:02,160 much falls to us if it's all p um 3822 02:27:02,160 --> 02:27:03,840 private space I would just need more 3823 02:27:03,840 --> 02:27:07,280 information and um the highway easement 3824 02:27:07,280 --> 02:27:09,040 beautifification we already kind of got 3825 02:27:09,040 --> 02:27:11,040 started on that by saying we're going to 3826 02:27:11,040 --> 02:27:13,920 find out who owns it and then sort of 3827 02:27:13,920 --> 02:27:15,920 decide. So my way of doing it would be 3828 02:27:15,920 --> 02:27:17,680 kind of like the park funding where we 3829 02:27:17,680 --> 02:27:19,760 say we have this much. Okay then the 3830 02:27:19,760 --> 02:27:22,000 next slide. So, I kind of bucketed those 3831 02:27:22,000 --> 02:27:24,720 and they're they're all um sort of 3832 02:27:24,720 --> 02:27:27,040 lumping on streets. We could do a 3833 02:27:27,040 --> 02:27:29,439 survey. We could have them like a heat 3834 02:27:29,439 --> 02:27:31,439 map. I've already said the rest. Let's 3835 02:27:31,439 --> 02:27:33,439 skip the that whole slide was just my 3836 02:27:33,439 --> 02:27:35,680 thoughts. Um 3837 02:27:35,680 --> 02:27:37,120 keep going. I've already talked about 3838 02:27:37,120 --> 02:27:39,359 that. All right. So, the fund balance 3839 02:27:39,359 --> 02:27:42,960 policy, I feel like um when I started 3840 02:27:42,960 --> 02:27:45,040 investigating fund balance, there was 3841 02:27:45,040 --> 02:27:46,720 all it was hard to find the numbers. 3842 02:27:46,720 --> 02:27:48,479 Shane's done a great job of like making 3843 02:27:48,479 --> 02:27:51,200 it really clear and so it really helped. 3844 02:27:51,200 --> 02:27:52,960 But I do think we do need some type of 3845 02:27:52,960 --> 02:27:55,280 policy to say what is the purpose of our 3846 02:27:55,280 --> 02:27:57,439 fund balance if is it for a rainy day? 3847 02:27:57,439 --> 02:28:00,319 Is it for a cushion for unexpected in 3848 02:28:00,319 --> 02:28:02,560 the current year? Is it just considered 3849 02:28:02,560 --> 02:28:04,640 surplus funds? Is it for projects that 3850 02:28:04,640 --> 02:28:06,960 span multiple years? And once we 3851 02:28:06,960 --> 02:28:08,800 identify what is the purpose of the fund 3852 02:28:08,800 --> 02:28:10,240 balance, I think we'd have an easier 3853 02:28:10,240 --> 02:28:13,439 time using it for appropriate projects. 3854 02:28:13,439 --> 02:28:17,040 So if you go down one I I would like to 3855 02:28:17,040 --> 02:28:19,359 Oh, go back up. Sorry, I skipped that. I 3856 02:28:19,359 --> 02:28:21,120 would like to have this discussion with 3857 02:28:21,120 --> 02:28:23,680 our finance committee and come to you 3858 02:28:23,680 --> 02:28:25,200 with a recommendation, which of course 3859 02:28:25,200 --> 02:28:26,479 you guys would tweet because we have no 3860 02:28:26,479 --> 02:28:28,560 authority at the committee level to do 3861 02:28:28,560 --> 02:28:30,479 anything, but at least talk through 3862 02:28:30,479 --> 02:28:33,040 these ideas and come to you with a 3863 02:28:33,040 --> 02:28:36,479 recommendation um and include Shane and 3864 02:28:36,479 --> 02:28:38,000 Kaden if he's going to help us with our 3865 02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:41,280 money stuff. Um just so that we have a 3866 02:28:41,280 --> 02:28:42,960 point of reference when we're talking 3867 02:28:42,960 --> 02:28:46,560 about um using fund balance. So go down 3868 02:28:46,560 --> 02:28:50,000 one more. This is the chart that Shane 3869 02:28:50,000 --> 02:28:52,319 put together on the top all the colors 3870 02:28:52,319 --> 02:28:55,520 and I just did some general Excel uh 3871 02:28:55,520 --> 02:28:58,960 calculations to say um what is our fund 3872 02:28:58,960 --> 02:29:01,120 balance relative this is what the policy 3873 02:29:01,120 --> 02:29:03,120 would address. What is our fund balance 3874 02:29:03,120 --> 02:29:04,960 relative to the revenue we have coming 3875 02:29:04,960 --> 02:29:08,000 into each fund. Um one the highest one 3876 02:29:08,000 --> 02:29:11,520 is our water and the lowest one is PI 3877 02:29:11,520 --> 02:29:14,479 just for an example. Um then what is the 3878 02:29:14,479 --> 02:29:20,800 projected revenue? Um is it uh let's see 3879 02:29:20,800 --> 02:29:24,399 I don't ending balance re any oh well 3880 02:29:24,399 --> 02:29:26,000 how much of the fund balance would be 3881 02:29:26,000 --> 02:29:29,280 used in our project or all the 2027 3882 02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:31,840 projects are they exceeding the current 3883 02:29:31,840 --> 02:29:33,760 revenue that was it. So it's comparing 3884 02:29:33,760 --> 02:29:36,560 line um 3885 02:29:36,560 --> 02:29:39,680 the projected revenue against our 3886 02:29:39,680 --> 02:29:42,560 project. So, we're only using the So, 3887 02:29:42,560 --> 02:29:43,920 let's just do park tax. So, that's 3888 02:29:43,920 --> 02:29:46,880 really easy. The park projected revenue 3889 02:29:46,880 --> 02:29:50,000 for parks is 150 and then our projects 3890 02:29:50,000 --> 02:29:52,800 are So, we're only using 33% of our 3891 02:29:52,800 --> 02:29:55,200 current revenue. So, anything over a 3892 02:29:55,200 --> 02:29:58,880 100red, we're dipping into fund balance. 3893 02:29:58,880 --> 02:30:01,120 Okay. Is that a problem? I don't know. 3894 02:30:01,120 --> 02:30:03,680 Um, but if you look at line C, this is 3895 02:30:03,680 --> 02:30:06,720 saying year-over-year change. So, one, 3896 02:30:06,720 --> 02:30:08,479 the park is increasing our in fund 3897 02:30:08,479 --> 02:30:10,080 balance, but the one that's taking the 3898 02:30:10,080 --> 02:30:12,000 biggest hit is capital improvements. 3899 02:30:12,000 --> 02:30:13,840 Well, that's mainly the fire station, 3900 02:30:13,840 --> 02:30:16,399 not a concern. Um, we're dipping in for 3901 02:30:16,399 --> 02:30:18,560 class C road. Everything else is below 3902 02:30:18,560 --> 02:30:21,760 10%. Not a huge concern. If we dip into 3903 02:30:21,760 --> 02:30:24,000 fund balance, we're still in all of 3904 02:30:24,000 --> 02:30:27,439 these above 100% of annual revenue. So, 3905 02:30:27,439 --> 02:30:29,680 this is just like a measure. It's just 3906 02:30:29,680 --> 02:30:32,800 like a it's a a way to say are we using 3907 02:30:32,800 --> 02:30:34,800 a lot of our fund balance? And if so, is 3908 02:30:34,800 --> 02:30:37,200 it justified like in the fire station or 3909 02:30:37,200 --> 02:30:38,800 we're not really using much of our fund 3910 02:30:38,800 --> 02:30:40,319 balance for the sewer and the storm 3911 02:30:40,319 --> 02:30:45,520 drain and the PI and the water. So, not a big discussion item because we're 3912 02:30:45,520 --> 02:30:49,520 staying still above way above our 100% 3913 02:30:49,520 --> 02:30:51,359 um of revenue. That's the kind of 3914 02:30:51,359 --> 02:30:53,520 discussion and and to formalize it and 3915 02:30:53,520 --> 02:30:55,840 write it all down and just say these are 3916 02:30:55,840 --> 02:30:58,080 I don't think like the a policy would 3917 02:30:58,080 --> 02:31:00,479 say and never dip below this or never do 3918 02:31:00,479 --> 02:31:01,760 that. It's just like these are the 3919 02:31:01,760 --> 02:31:04,080 questions you ask as a point of 3920 02:31:04,080 --> 02:31:06,399 reference for the whole council to use 3921 02:31:06,399 --> 02:31:08,800 and then um I don't know if at some 3922 02:31:08,800 --> 02:31:11,280 point if we use like 50% of the fund 3923 02:31:11,280 --> 02:31:13,200 balance all in one year that would take 3924 02:31:13,200 --> 02:31:14,880 a vote of council. We could have some 3925 02:31:14,880 --> 02:31:17,760 type of like guard rail and Shane would 3926 02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:19,120 help us develop that because he's had 3927 02:31:19,120 --> 02:31:21,760 the most experience. Anyways, that's 3928 02:31:21,760 --> 02:31:24,399 what I'm proposing um for all of the 3929 02:31:24,399 --> 02:31:28,240 budget is to uh consider fund balance 3930 02:31:28,240 --> 02:31:31,280 like Carlo stated, but also come up with 3931 02:31:31,280 --> 02:31:34,319 like all the all of traffic calming. 3932 02:31:34,319 --> 02:31:36,080 Let's prioritize those and see what we 3933 02:31:36,080 --> 02:31:37,920 need to do. Let's look at all the open 3934 02:31:37,920 --> 02:31:39,520 space. Is there something we need to do 3935 02:31:39,520 --> 02:31:43,040 there? And and go away from the whole 3936 02:31:43,040 --> 02:31:45,680 matrix as designed. And by the way, this 3937 02:31:45,680 --> 02:31:47,280 was my design, so we can just throw it 3938 02:31:47,280 --> 02:31:48,720 out and it's not going to hurt my 3939 02:31:48,720 --> 02:31:51,040 feelings. It's not that bad. I I think 3940 02:31:51,040 --> 02:31:51,680 it's fine. 3941 02:31:51,680 --> 02:31:52,479 >> It was confusing. 3942 02:31:52,479 --> 02:31:54,800 >> It got the conversation started. 3943 02:31:54,800 --> 02:31:57,760 >> Any any other questions you have from my 3944 02:31:57,760 --> 02:32:00,160 comments? 3945 02:32:00,160 --> 02:32:00,960 >> Okay. 3946 02:32:00,960 --> 02:32:03,439 >> Is there anything you are against on 3947 02:32:03,439 --> 02:32:06,399 these budgets? You you you like Okay. I 3948 02:32:06,399 --> 02:32:08,000 like that your last side said thank you. 3949 02:32:08,000 --> 02:32:10,479 Like this was a legit presentation. Good 3950 02:32:10,479 --> 02:32:12,960 job. 3951 02:32:12,960 --> 02:32:14,479 >> Okay. Is it my turn? 3952 02:32:14,479 --> 02:32:14,800 >> Yes. 3953 02:32:14,800 --> 02:32:20,399 >> Are you going, Brent? Okay. So, uh, the, big one, okay, I I'll go through 3954 02:32:20,399 --> 02:32:23,280 a couple and then, um, uh, it sounds 3955 02:32:23,280 --> 02:32:24,960 like a good idea, but I'll get to that 3956 02:32:24,960 --> 02:32:27,680 in a minute. Um, so the 9 million we're 3957 02:32:27,680 --> 02:32:29,040 going to talk a lot about, right, coming 3958 02:32:29,040 --> 02:32:31,840 up with all the different water projects 3959 02:32:31,840 --> 02:32:35,920 in that and what they entail. Um, 3960 02:32:35,920 --> 02:32:37,520 >> and if I can just say on that, we didn't 3961 02:32:37,520 --> 02:32:40,319 really see that competing with all these 3962 02:32:40,319 --> 02:32:42,640 other projects because it really should 3963 02:32:42,640 --> 02:32:45,680 be funded from the water fund. And so 3964 02:32:45,680 --> 02:32:47,840 that's why 3965 02:32:47,840 --> 02:32:49,439 >> with this project discussion it hasn't 3966 02:32:49,439 --> 02:32:50,880 been a major focus. 3967 02:32:50,880 --> 02:32:53,600 >> Okay. The the reason on that is because 3968 02:32:53,600 --> 02:32:56,720 it can solve so many problems and but it 3969 02:32:56,720 --> 02:32:59,520 will cause so many consequences um both 3970 02:32:59,520 --> 02:33:04,640 on people's rates and um how much debt 3971 02:33:04,640 --> 02:33:08,000 it is. It uh I I think I got the number 3972 02:33:08,000 --> 02:33:09,520 just to just to 3973 02:33:09,520 --> 02:33:11,280 >> but I think that's for a later meeting. 3974 02:33:11,280 --> 02:33:14,160 >> Yes. Okay. Yes. I I think it's uh well 3975 02:33:14,160 --> 02:33:18,720 hold on it just money is money and what 3976 02:33:18,720 --> 02:33:22,160 will happen is these will this money 3977 02:33:22,160 --> 02:33:25,280 will impact other things we can do you 3978 02:33:25,280 --> 02:33:27,600 know so just that's what I think it will 3979 02:33:27,600 --> 02:33:30,399 be uh I I can't be wrong but but was 3980 02:33:30,399 --> 02:33:32,720 there a plan to get the impact of what 3981 02:33:32,720 --> 02:33:36,080 that will do um for the rates or is that 3982 02:33:36,080 --> 02:33:36,960 going to happen after 3983 02:33:36,960 --> 02:33:38,720 >> that's part of the rate study yes 3984 02:33:38,720 --> 02:33:40,080 >> yeah so it really won't impact what we 3985 02:33:40,080 --> 02:33:42,399 can do with the general budget Right. 3986 02:33:42,399 --> 02:33:45,120 >> But it we one consideration a good 3987 02:33:45,120 --> 02:33:46,640 consideration that you bring up Andrew 3988 02:33:46,640 --> 02:33:48,479 is as we raise rates that's an 3989 02:33:48,479 --> 02:33:50,319 additional burden financial burden on 3990 02:33:50,319 --> 02:33:52,880 our residents. So if we ever come to the 3991 02:33:52,880 --> 02:33:56,080 point of needing to raise property taxes 3992 02:33:56,080 --> 02:33:58,080 then that's 3993 02:33:58,080 --> 02:33:59,760 >> and then my my real what I'm really 3994 02:33:59,760 --> 02:34:01,760 after is what other op I would love to 3995 02:34:01,760 --> 02:34:03,600 see it in comparison with what other 3996 02:34:03,600 --> 02:34:05,040 options because I'm looking at it at 3997 02:34:05,040 --> 02:34:07,600 4.8% and you say rates might go up they 3998 02:34:07,600 --> 02:34:09,680 might go down. We got we're in a really 3999 02:34:09,680 --> 02:34:12,640 pivotal time right now. Um, I I cannot 4000 02:34:12,640 --> 02:34:14,479 be right that this is six million in 4001 02:34:14,479 --> 02:34:16,479 interest on that 9 million bond. It 4002 02:34:16,479 --> 02:34:18,399 can't be three million. You'll have to 4003 02:34:18,399 --> 02:34:19,920 get me the right. I've got 1 million on 4004 02:34:19,920 --> 02:34:23,040 the 2 million in interest and then 6 4005 02:34:23,040 --> 02:34:25,120 million on the 9 million of interest. 4006 02:34:25,120 --> 02:34:27,120 Anyways, we can go about it, but I I 4007 02:34:27,120 --> 02:34:29,120 think before we get into that, we just I 4008 02:34:29,120 --> 02:34:31,920 would love to see other options as well 4009 02:34:31,920 --> 02:34:34,560 um that we can uh explore for funding 4010 02:34:34,560 --> 02:34:36,880 those big uh because one of the budget 4011 02:34:36,880 --> 02:34:39,680 items was I think you brought up a water 4012 02:34:39,680 --> 02:34:40,960 project. 4013 02:34:40,960 --> 02:34:43,439 um for culinary and I brought up one for 4014 02:34:43,439 --> 02:34:45,439 pressurized irrigation we both 4015 02:34:45,439 --> 02:34:46,080 submitted. 4016 02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:46,960 >> Oh. Oh yes. 4017 02:34:46,960 --> 02:34:50,560 >> Yes. And so but but my water budget uh 4018 02:34:50,560 --> 02:34:55,920 item didn't just include the well um it 4019 02:34:55,920 --> 02:34:59,600 included several more things. So I think 4020 02:34:59,600 --> 02:35:01,760 uh there's a couple things there. One 4021 02:35:01,760 --> 02:35:04,000 well three things. starting at the 4022 02:35:04,000 --> 02:35:07,920 biggest number, if we can see what the 4023 02:35:07,920 --> 02:35:10,880 impact will be, the the rate increase, 4024 02:35:10,880 --> 02:35:12,960 uh how much debt it will be so that the 4025 02:35:12,960 --> 02:35:14,240 residents and us all know what we're 4026 02:35:14,240 --> 02:35:17,520 getting into for 25 years. Um and then 4027 02:35:17,520 --> 02:35:19,920 the second one is 4028 02:35:19,920 --> 02:35:22,800 if we can be very aware of what that 9 4029 02:35:22,800 --> 02:35:24,880 million will include all the budget 4030 02:35:24,880 --> 02:35:27,520 projects. I know it just says the well, 4031 02:35:27,520 --> 02:35:30,640 the Heritage Hills well and the uh um 4032 02:35:30,640 --> 02:35:33,120 booster pumps, but I think there's a 4033 02:35:33,120 --> 02:35:34,720 couple extra things that would really be 4034 02:35:34,720 --> 02:35:36,800 great to add in there, especially if we 4035 02:35:36,800 --> 02:35:39,760 can find ways to do it more economical. 4036 02:35:39,760 --> 02:35:42,880 Um yeah, those are the two things uh 4037 02:35:42,880 --> 02:35:44,319 that I guess I said there were three. 4038 02:35:44,319 --> 02:35:46,000 Those are the two things. Well, I guess 4039 02:35:46,000 --> 02:35:48,560 the last one is the other water 4040 02:35:48,560 --> 02:35:50,160 projects. I know you kind of pull them 4041 02:35:50,160 --> 02:35:53,600 all into that bond. Is it okay, and this 4042 02:35:53,600 --> 02:35:56,880 is kind of asking you all, if we include 4043 02:35:56,880 --> 02:35:58,560 some of those other water projects that 4044 02:35:58,560 --> 02:36:01,760 were much smaller from the uh that we 4045 02:36:01,760 --> 02:36:03,520 had on the original budget thing, would 4046 02:36:03,520 --> 02:36:05,200 you like to see those or they kind of 4047 02:36:05,200 --> 02:36:07,760 got drowned out with a well um but 4048 02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:09,920 they're smaller. Anyways, you can think 4049 02:36:09,920 --> 02:36:10,960 it over. I can line up. 4050 02:36:10,960 --> 02:36:12,560 >> Those come out of the enterprise funds 4051 02:36:12,560 --> 02:36:13,680 as well, right? 4052 02:36:13,680 --> 02:36:16,479 >> Yeah, they can. Yeah. And you know, a 4053 02:36:16,479 --> 02:36:18,960 little bit of this could come from fund 4054 02:36:18,960 --> 02:36:21,439 balance in the enterprise fund. Um 4055 02:36:21,439 --> 02:36:22,960 >> I mean it doesn't have to be all 4056 02:36:22,960 --> 02:36:24,479 bonding. It's just 4057 02:36:24,479 --> 02:36:26,080 >> well because like some of them are 4058 02:36:26,080 --> 02:36:28,479 >> you can do the general fund, you can do 4059 02:36:28,479 --> 02:36:30,080 um certain things. It's and that's 4060 02:36:30,080 --> 02:36:31,920 something that you guys can decide. 4061 02:36:31,920 --> 02:36:32,240 Okay. 4062 02:36:32,240 --> 02:36:33,920 >> But I think it's important for you to 4063 02:36:33,920 --> 02:36:35,439 probably maybe understand the entire 4064 02:36:35,439 --> 02:36:37,439 bonding process. And I think we'll get a 4065 02:36:37,439 --> 02:36:38,399 little bit of that. 4066 02:36:38,399 --> 02:36:40,479 >> And he said fund balance from the 4067 02:36:40,479 --> 02:36:44,240 enterprise fund. And maybe I can what I should do or if you guys are okay 4068 02:36:44,240 --> 02:36:45,920 with it, what I'd like to do is go into 4069 02:36:45,920 --> 02:36:48,560 some of these and line itemum because I 4070 02:36:48,560 --> 02:36:50,960 clumped things together and then it just 4071 02:36:50,960 --> 02:36:54,399 became like sign or or the uh cop 4072 02:36:54,399 --> 02:36:56,560 traffic calming when it was actually 4073 02:36:56,560 --> 02:36:58,240 signs that were supposed to be at the 4074 02:36:58,240 --> 02:37:01,359 corridors. um in the water one it there 4075 02:37:01,359 --> 02:37:03,600 was like you know I think we got one of 4076 02:37:03,600 --> 02:37:05,840 these guys here today uh storage some 4077 02:37:05,840 --> 02:37:08,240 storage capacity as well trying to hit a 4078 02:37:08,240 --> 02:37:09,359 lot of those things that were in the 4079 02:37:09,359 --> 02:37:10,000 report anyways 4080 02:37:10,000 --> 02:37:12,000 >> and and that's one specifically that we 4081 02:37:12,000 --> 02:37:14,080 discussed today um 4082 02:37:14,080 --> 02:37:15,600 >> this gentleman we met with 4083 02:37:15,600 --> 02:37:16,479 >> oh with the grants 4084 02:37:16,479 --> 02:37:18,399 >> thinks that there could be a grant 4085 02:37:18,399 --> 02:37:21,040 >> that that could work with so we're 4086 02:37:21,040 --> 02:37:22,080 >> you're doing everything 4087 02:37:22,080 --> 02:37:25,520 >> yeah looking at every angle I mean 4088 02:37:25,520 --> 02:37:28,319 >> I I hear the residents saying hey we've 4089 02:37:28,319 --> 02:37:29,439 got to fix this problem. 4090 02:37:29,439 --> 02:37:30,240 >> I know. I know. 4091 02:37:30,240 --> 02:37:31,920 >> And it we know it's going to cost if you 4092 02:37:31,920 --> 02:37:34,319 have to raise our rates. We We know it 4093 02:37:34,319 --> 02:37:36,479 can be done for free. If someone has a 4094 02:37:36,479 --> 02:37:39,120 better way to fund it, I'm 100% all 4095 02:37:39,120 --> 02:37:40,000 layers. 4096 02:37:40,000 --> 02:37:41,920 >> Okay. Yeah. Yeah. No. Okay. And I'd love 4097 02:37:41,920 --> 02:37:43,680 to help with that. And uh Yeah. And I 4098 02:37:43,680 --> 02:37:46,479 think a great secondary comment to that 4099 02:37:46,479 --> 02:37:48,800 conversation is, yeah, we'll raise your 4100 02:37:48,800 --> 02:37:50,319 rates and this is how much. And then 4101 02:37:50,319 --> 02:37:53,600 people can really make an informed um 4102 02:37:53,600 --> 02:37:55,040 they can really give you informed 4103 02:37:55,040 --> 02:37:56,880 feedback. Anyways, that's the big one. 4104 02:37:56,880 --> 02:37:59,040 And that's really the big problem. We we 4105 02:37:59,040 --> 02:38:01,280 jumped down to um I'll jump through 4106 02:38:01,280 --> 02:38:02,800 these really quick. We've talked about 4107 02:38:02,800 --> 02:38:05,200 the 2 million for the fire department, 4108 02:38:05,200 --> 02:38:09,439 the 1.5 for the roundabout. Um and then 4109 02:38:09,439 --> 02:38:11,760 if we go down, I'll just go through them 4110 02:38:11,760 --> 02:38:14,000 really quick. The ones so because I 4111 02:38:14,000 --> 02:38:15,760 think there's some clarification on each 4112 02:38:15,760 --> 02:38:17,439 of them. I I'm glad you guys like the 4113 02:38:17,439 --> 02:38:19,439 sidewalk improvements 4114 02:38:19,439 --> 02:38:22,800 that came from people coming after us. 4115 02:38:22,800 --> 02:38:26,000 They uh it came from a home on Fort 4116 02:38:26,000 --> 02:38:29,760 Canyon. So, if we do the uh sidewalk 4117 02:38:29,760 --> 02:38:32,640 improvements, would you like us to 4118 02:38:32,640 --> 02:38:34,640 gather more data on how much it would 4119 02:38:34,640 --> 02:38:36,319 actually be and how much square feet 4120 02:38:36,319 --> 02:38:37,600 we're looking for? 4121 02:38:37,600 --> 02:38:38,399 >> No. 4122 02:38:38,399 --> 02:38:38,800 >> I think 4123 02:38:38,800 --> 02:38:39,840 >> not at this point. No, 4124 02:38:39,840 --> 02:38:40,880 >> not at this point. I think this is where 4125 02:38:40,880 --> 02:38:42,240 you and I have a very different 4126 02:38:42,240 --> 02:38:44,160 philosophy because I feel like we're a 4127 02:38:44,160 --> 02:38:46,000 legislative role which we say what we 4128 02:38:46,000 --> 02:38:48,160 need sidewalks and then they go figure 4129 02:38:48,160 --> 02:38:51,359 out how how to do it where to get the 4130 02:38:51,359 --> 02:38:53,920 engineering where's the most risky area 4131 02:38:53,920 --> 02:38:56,640 or whatever. So we just we stand back 4132 02:38:56,640 --> 02:38:58,960 and let the experts sort of take the 4133 02:38:58,960 --> 02:39:00,640 biggest lead in that 4134 02:39:00,640 --> 02:39:02,479 >> and and we spoke in our in our work 4135 02:39:02,479 --> 02:39:04,319 sessions that the priority would be on 4136 02:39:04,319 --> 02:39:08,319 safety. Um, and Sarah mentioned one in 4137 02:39:08,319 --> 02:39:10,800 particular. So, that's kind of what we 4138 02:39:10,800 --> 02:39:13,520 decided in a previous work session is 4139 02:39:13,520 --> 02:39:16,319 we're all in favor of funding sidewalk 4140 02:39:16,319 --> 02:39:20,000 additions um focused on safety and we've 4141 02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:21,439 gotten some input from Sarah. If you 4142 02:39:21,439 --> 02:39:23,760 have any other input on locations, pass 4143 02:39:23,760 --> 02:39:24,880 that to them and then 4144 02:39:24,880 --> 02:39:27,600 >> Yeah. No, the the only input I get is 4145 02:39:27,600 --> 02:39:30,319 people telling me that. And so, um, it's 4146 02:39:30,319 --> 02:39:32,479 funny we we we arrive at the same place 4147 02:39:32,479 --> 02:39:33,280 though, [laughter] 4148 02:39:33,280 --> 02:39:35,680 >> right? So we we pass that on to them and 4149 02:39:35,680 --> 02:39:37,600 then they look at all the input that 4150 02:39:37,600 --> 02:39:38,399 they have. 4151 02:39:38,399 --> 02:39:38,880 >> Okay. 4152 02:39:38,880 --> 02:39:40,960 >> You know all the all the you know from 4153 02:39:40,960 --> 02:39:45,040 all sources from them from us 4154 02:39:45,040 --> 02:39:46,240 they come up with a recommendation. 4155 02:39:46,240 --> 02:39:47,520 >> Just a little background that might help 4156 02:39:47,520 --> 02:39:50,080 that that I I think it would be a miss 4157 02:39:50,080 --> 02:39:52,720 if we have people like really wanting 4158 02:39:52,720 --> 02:39:54,720 one in a certain area and we do it and 4159 02:39:54,720 --> 02:39:55,920 we put it somewhere else where the 4160 02:39:55,920 --> 02:39:57,600 people aren't even asking for it. So 4161 02:39:57,600 --> 02:39:58,800 maybe you could take both into 4162 02:39:58,800 --> 02:40:00,240 consideration, look at both and then 4163 02:40:00,240 --> 02:40:03,280 evaluate if you think it's valid. Um, I 4164 02:40:03,280 --> 02:40:04,720 mean, we wouldn't even have this if a 4165 02:40:04,720 --> 02:40:06,800 lady wouldn't have come, asked for it, 4166 02:40:06,800 --> 02:40:08,640 and then was told, "Come back when 4167 02:40:08,640 --> 02:40:10,319 there's time for the budget." Then when 4168 02:40:10,319 --> 02:40:12,240 we were running, she said, "Here I am. 4169 02:40:12,240 --> 02:40:14,160 It's time for the budget." So, 4170 02:40:14,160 --> 02:40:15,760 >> isn't that how we work? I wouldn't be 4171 02:40:15,760 --> 02:40:16,960 sitting here if somebody didn't bring it 4172 02:40:16,960 --> 02:40:17,520 up. So, 4173 02:40:17,520 --> 02:40:19,760 >> yes. Yes. Okay. So, I'm glad you support 4174 02:40:19,760 --> 02:40:21,040 it. I support it. If we can help with 4175 02:40:21,040 --> 02:40:23,359 data, length, cost, whatever, or if we 4176 02:40:23,359 --> 02:40:25,680 can show you where residents are asking 4177 02:40:25,680 --> 02:40:26,479 for them. 4178 02:40:26,479 --> 02:40:28,080 >> I I know the ones you've told. 4179 02:40:28,080 --> 02:40:29,680 >> Okay, great. You know, okay, thanks. Um, 4180 02:40:29,680 --> 02:40:32,080 some of them they're not really regional 4181 02:40:32,080 --> 02:40:33,840 improve what I would call regional 4182 02:40:33,840 --> 02:40:36,720 improvements within our city. Um, like 4183 02:40:36,720 --> 02:40:38,479 the one that was mentioned on Alpine 4184 02:40:38,479 --> 02:40:40,240 Boulevard, I would call that more 4185 02:40:40,240 --> 02:40:41,120 regional. 4186 02:40:41,120 --> 02:40:42,080 >> Okay. All right. 4187 02:40:42,080 --> 02:40:43,920 >> What does regional mean? 4188 02:40:43,920 --> 02:40:45,920 >> Like affecting more people more than 4189 02:40:45,920 --> 02:40:48,399 just maybe a family or two or a house or 4190 02:40:48,399 --> 02:40:50,080 two or something like that. 4191 02:40:50,080 --> 02:40:50,399 >> Okay. 4192 02:40:50,399 --> 02:40:52,640 >> I mean, the other thing to consider, 4193 02:40:52,640 --> 02:40:54,160 >> and you guys don't know a lot about 4194 02:40:54,160 --> 02:40:56,121 this, but 4195 02:40:56,121 --> 02:40:57,120 [clears throat] I guess our insurance 4196 02:40:57,120 --> 02:41:00,399 company's had a ton of claims on uh trip 4197 02:41:00,399 --> 02:41:02,319 hazards and different issues with 4198 02:41:02,319 --> 02:41:05,439 sidewalks. And they're putting a 4199 02:41:05,439 --> 02:41:07,840 tremendous amount of pressure on us to 4200 02:41:07,840 --> 02:41:12,160 have a more robust and thorough um 4201 02:41:12,160 --> 02:41:16,479 sidewalk uh replacement slashtrip hazard 4202 02:41:16,479 --> 02:41:19,760 removal program. And so we're having to 4203 02:41:19,760 --> 02:41:22,800 formalize that. We're working on it now. 4204 02:41:22,800 --> 02:41:26,240 Um, but that means all the sidewalks 4205 02:41:26,240 --> 02:41:27,920 that we already have, we have to 4206 02:41:27,920 --> 02:41:31,040 dedicate money to maintain those. Plus, 4207 02:41:31,040 --> 02:41:33,280 then if we're adding more, we have to 4208 02:41:33,280 --> 02:41:35,600 maintain those as well. So, we're going 4209 02:41:35,600 --> 02:41:36,800 to have to balance. 4210 02:41:36,800 --> 02:41:39,280 >> Yeah, but isn't it like a super bad trip 4211 02:41:39,280 --> 02:41:41,120 hazard when there isn't even a sidewalk? 4212 02:41:41,120 --> 02:41:43,359 I mean, you got holes, you got dirt. I 4213 02:41:43,359 --> 02:41:45,120 mean, that is dangerous stuff. That's a 4214 02:41:45,120 --> 02:41:48,240 joke. But, okay, let me just go through 4215 02:41:48,240 --> 02:41:50,000 the last ones because there's some 4216 02:41:50,000 --> 02:41:51,680 additions that I think would help. the 4217 02:41:51,680 --> 02:41:54,800 raccoon plan, just so you know, it's not 4218 02:41:54,800 --> 02:41:56,800 let's go to a home that needs raccoon 4219 02:41:56,800 --> 02:42:00,640 help and give them money. It is for our 4220 02:42:00,640 --> 02:42:02,880 uh where they're it's the city it's a 4221 02:42:02,880 --> 02:42:05,840 cityowned thing. So, what it what that 4222 02:42:05,840 --> 02:42:08,240 $3,000 for, if people have forgotten, it 4223 02:42:08,240 --> 02:42:09,760 is to try to help we're already doing 4224 02:42:09,760 --> 02:42:11,680 the home by home stuff just as a 4225 02:42:11,680 --> 02:42:19,280 residents. it is to try to help what many people think is a city um 4226 02:42:19,280 --> 02:42:20,800 habitation 4227 02:42:20,800 --> 02:42:22,560 uh 4228 02:42:22,560 --> 02:42:25,439 breeding ground that that is um by 4229 02:42:25,439 --> 02:42:28,160 mistake happened. And so that that's 4230 02:42:28,160 --> 02:42:30,479 what it is. And it's just to do a test 4231 02:42:30,479 --> 02:42:36,319 on one to two streets uh on Alpine uh 4232 02:42:36,319 --> 02:42:40,960 Alpine Boulevard. No, uh Alpine Drive. 4233 02:42:40,960 --> 02:42:43,359 >> Okay. No, thanks for that clarification. 4234 02:42:43,359 --> 02:42:46,800 Yeah, it's supposed 4235 02:42:46,800 --> 02:42:50,319 that's where they live, right? 4236 02:42:50,319 --> 02:42:52,240 >> Right. No, and and they are actually are 4237 02:42:52,240 --> 02:42:55,120 surprisingly all over. But we assume 4238 02:42:55,120 --> 02:42:57,600 that if we can, but we're getting rid of 4239 02:42:57,600 --> 02:42:59,439 them. We are seeing less. I mean, one a 4240 02:42:59,439 --> 02:43:01,120 week. I mean, this is people's homes. 4241 02:43:01,120 --> 02:43:05,200 This is awful. But, um, it is to try to 4242 02:43:05,200 --> 02:43:06,960 get them out of one area and say, "Okay, 4243 02:43:06,960 --> 02:43:08,319 we can do it now. we can get them out of 4244 02:43:08,319 --> 02:43:11,280 other areas and ideally out of alpine. 4245 02:43:11,280 --> 02:43:11,920 So anyways, 4246 02:43:11,920 --> 02:43:13,200 >> I I admire what you're doing there. 4247 02:43:13,200 --> 02:43:15,600 >> Well, no, it's the city. I can't do it 4248 02:43:15,600 --> 02:43:17,680 all. Um but anyways, um the the last 4249 02:43:17,680 --> 02:43:20,160 one, Shane, every time I see this, I I 4250 02:43:20,160 --> 02:43:21,840 rem try to remember to tell you, but on 4251 02:43:21,840 --> 02:43:23,280 the Alpine Highway easement 4252 02:43:23,280 --> 02:43:25,200 beautifification, it always looks like 4253 02:43:25,200 --> 02:43:27,920 $10 million. So, it's the only one. It 4254 02:43:27,920 --> 02:43:30,240 only is the only one that has a decimal. 4255 02:43:30,240 --> 02:43:32,720 So, if we could just do the 10 grand. 4256 02:43:32,720 --> 02:43:35,520 Um, 4257 02:43:35,520 --> 02:43:38,000 >> every time I see it, I I my heart jumps, 4258 02:43:38,000 --> 02:43:40,399 my my I race, and I'm like, what are we 4259 02:43:40,399 --> 02:43:42,880 doing, and then I find out it's the only 4260 02:43:42,880 --> 02:43:44,640 one where we put the sense on there. I 4261 02:43:44,640 --> 02:43:46,080 do have an update on it. You guys asked 4262 02:43:46,080 --> 02:43:48,399 for a written update. Mr. Doxy did. I 4263 02:43:48,399 --> 02:43:49,680 have the email if you want to pull it 4264 02:43:49,680 --> 02:43:51,760 up, Kaden. But essentially, it's in that 4265 02:43:51,760 --> 02:43:54,640 folder. Uh, the email from Utah County. 4266 02:43:54,640 --> 02:43:58,319 Essentially, it is you have reached your 4267 02:43:58,319 --> 02:44:00,720 point as far as you can go. You must at 4268 02:44:00,720 --> 02:44:04,560 this point um uh I'm sorry if you look 4269 02:44:04,560 --> 02:44:06,399 at it like images you'll be able to see 4270 02:44:06,399 --> 02:44:08,479 which one it is. I apologize. Oh, 4271 02:44:08,479 --> 02:44:10,000 easement. Yes, it's called easement. 4272 02:44:10,000 --> 02:44:12,240 They said at this point researching the 4273 02:44:12,240 --> 02:44:14,319 ownership right ofway and chain of title 4274 02:44:14,319 --> 02:44:16,000 for a specific property is fundamentally 4275 02:44:16,000 --> 02:44:17,680 a legal title search which folks outside 4276 02:44:17,680 --> 02:44:20,240 of your scope of services. She meant 4277 02:44:20,240 --> 02:44:22,160 which falls outside of our scope of 4278 02:44:22,160 --> 02:44:24,319 services. She I I had to email and did 4279 02:44:24,319 --> 02:44:26,960 you not mean your scope of services? So 4280 02:44:26,960 --> 02:44:29,439 she said, "No, you cannot get any other 4281 02:44:29,439 --> 02:44:31,439 information or helpful from us. You do 4282 02:44:31,439 --> 02:44:34,960 need to go do a title search." Um, so 4283 02:44:34,960 --> 02:44:36,399 maybe some of this funding could go to 4284 02:44:36,399 --> 02:44:37,840 that or if we want to do a separate 4285 02:44:37,840 --> 02:44:39,040 thing, but I just want to update you 4286 02:44:39,040 --> 02:44:40,880 with that. And they have a whole like 4287 02:44:40,880 --> 02:44:42,880 library of documents. I asked if we 4288 02:44:42,880 --> 02:44:44,080 could find out what they did have, they 4289 02:44:44,080 --> 02:44:47,520 said no, but um there's we're trying to 4290 02:44:47,520 --> 02:44:49,760 work on that. 4291 02:44:49,760 --> 02:44:51,600 The last ones on here just because 4292 02:44:51,600 --> 02:44:54,399 people have asked questions about them. 4293 02:44:54,399 --> 02:44:56,640 the alpine history preservation 4294 02:44:56,640 --> 02:44:58,319 projects. I don't know if you recall and 4295 02:44:58,319 --> 02:44:59,920 I think this will help for us to get 4296 02:44:59,920 --> 02:45:03,040 actual numbers and go through them is 4297 02:45:03,040 --> 02:45:06,720 several things and some of them are not 4298 02:45:06,720 --> 02:45:08,319 expensive in that some of them are just 4299 02:45:08,319 --> 02:45:12,000 a start. It's the um Alpine Yesterday's 4300 02:45:12,000 --> 02:45:17,439 volume two. It is um the fix of the 4301 02:45:17,439 --> 02:45:20,399 monument in the cemetery which sounds 4302 02:45:20,399 --> 02:45:21,920 like a big thing but it's not. It's just 4303 02:45:21,920 --> 02:45:24,640 including the pioneer women's names on 4304 02:45:24,640 --> 02:45:26,960 the uh on the thing. Do you all know 4305 02:45:26,960 --> 02:45:28,319 this? I'm sorry if I'm repeating myself. 4306 02:45:28,319 --> 02:45:29,760 You know you know this. I apologize. 4307 02:45:29,760 --> 02:45:31,680 Anyways, I'll I'll go in there and and 4308 02:45:31,680 --> 02:45:34,000 include those again. It's in the it's in 4309 02:45:34,000 --> 02:45:34,960 the book, but just 4310 02:45:34,960 --> 02:45:36,720 >> it's just a question. I think we talked 4311 02:45:36,720 --> 02:45:38,160 in the prior work session, correct me if 4312 02:45:38,160 --> 02:45:40,800 I'm wrong, that we're the decision was 4313 02:45:40,800 --> 02:45:43,439 let's put an amount in there as a 4314 02:45:43,439 --> 02:45:44,640 placeholder. Yes. Yes. 4315 02:45:44,640 --> 02:45:46,960 >> And then we'll evaluate projects as they 4316 02:45:46,960 --> 02:45:49,439 come up and prioritize them. Right. 4317 02:45:49,439 --> 02:45:51,680 Brent, do you mean so are we assuming 4318 02:45:51,680 --> 02:45:53,520 that over like the next years we'll 4319 02:45:53,520 --> 02:45:55,040 adjust it or do you want it by like June 4320 02:45:55,040 --> 02:45:58,560 23rd when we actually vote on all this? 4321 02:45:58,560 --> 02:46:01,439 >> Oh, I don't know. I have no preference. 4322 02:46:01,439 --> 02:46:06,070 >> The fund amount would be 4323 02:46:06,080 --> 02:46:07,040 fun or not. 4324 02:46:07,040 --> 02:46:08,240 >> That's fine. We can do that. 4325 02:46:08,240 --> 02:46:11,040 >> So, I think today we're giving direction 4326 02:46:11,040 --> 02:46:14,319 to staff to what the priorities are. 4327 02:46:14,319 --> 02:46:15,520 Okay. Okay. And they're going to look at 4328 02:46:15,520 --> 02:46:17,040 funding options and then we're just 4329 02:46:17,040 --> 02:46:19,120 going to have a final budget approval in 4330 02:46:19,120 --> 02:46:21,040 June. So this is kind of the decision 4331 02:46:21,040 --> 02:46:22,080 making date 4332 02:46:22,080 --> 02:46:24,160 >> just about the money, not exactly each 4333 02:46:24,160 --> 02:46:24,560 project. 4334 02:46:24,560 --> 02:46:26,880 >> And then when the projects come up, then 4335 02:46:26,880 --> 02:46:29,680 they'll come back to city council and 4336 02:46:29,680 --> 02:46:31,920 >> we'll vote on Okay. 4337 02:46:31,920 --> 02:46:32,880 >> Sorry. 4338 02:46:32,880 --> 02:46:34,479 >> Then as the project comes up, then 4339 02:46:34,479 --> 02:46:35,840 they'll come to city council. Kind of 4340 02:46:35,840 --> 02:46:37,200 like what they do with, you know, the 4341 02:46:37,200 --> 02:46:39,200 road projects. It comes up and, you 4342 02:46:39,200 --> 02:46:41,359 know, we see it again and you vote on 4343 02:46:41,359 --> 02:46:43,359 that particular thing. Sounds good. So 4344 02:46:43,359 --> 02:46:44,880 in the budget they say, "Hey, we want to 4345 02:46:44,880 --> 02:46:46,800 spend a million dollars on roads." And 4346 02:46:46,800 --> 02:46:48,880 then as the road projects come up, we 4347 02:46:48,880 --> 02:46:50,160 come up and look at it. Hey, they want 4348 02:46:50,160 --> 02:46:51,840 to do the chip and seal. Oh, they want 4349 02:46:51,840 --> 02:46:54,319 to do the seal coat. This is what So 4350 02:46:54,319 --> 02:46:56,240 that's how it is. It's not like we're 4351 02:46:56,240 --> 02:46:57,920 doing it and you're allocating this and 4352 02:46:57,920 --> 02:47:00,000 it's going to get done. This is you're 4353 02:47:00,000 --> 02:47:02,800 telling staff this is a priority of city 4354 02:47:02,800 --> 02:47:05,520 council. They will approach it that way, 4355 02:47:05,520 --> 02:47:07,359 move forward and then as that project 4356 02:47:07,359 --> 02:47:10,080 gets ready, designed, whatever, then it 4357 02:47:10,080 --> 02:47:11,680 will come back to city council and you 4358 02:47:11,680 --> 02:47:13,920 will vote on that specific project. 4359 02:47:13,920 --> 02:47:16,319 >> Okay, good. Sounds good. Uh just thank 4360 02:47:16,319 --> 02:47:18,479 you. Last three clarifications just that 4361 02:47:18,479 --> 02:47:21,920 will help is uh folks have reached out 4362 02:47:21,920 --> 02:47:24,960 about the uh fire prevention projects 4363 02:47:24,960 --> 02:47:27,600 not wanting it to be on private 4364 02:47:27,600 --> 02:47:31,120 property. And so I thought maybe we 4365 02:47:31,120 --> 02:47:33,040 could a lot that money if people are 4366 02:47:33,040 --> 02:47:34,960 still for them. I've tried to explain 4367 02:47:34,960 --> 02:47:38,560 why we need money for that based on the 4368 02:47:38,560 --> 02:47:40,479 uh council of wherever the fire 4369 02:47:40,479 --> 02:47:43,200 department thinks is dangerous, private, 4370 02:47:43,200 --> 02:47:45,520 wherever, anything they think that that 4371 02:47:45,520 --> 02:47:47,120 where we could put that money to give to 4372 02:47:47,120 --> 02:47:49,600 them. or if they tell us we need to fix 4373 02:47:49,600 --> 02:47:52,000 something, it could go to the city staff 4374 02:47:52,000 --> 02:47:55,439 if it's on city land or if they see a uh 4375 02:47:55,439 --> 02:47:58,800 um really dangerous area, we would be at 4376 02:47:58,800 --> 02:48:00,000 the discretion of either doing it 4377 02:48:00,000 --> 02:48:01,760 ourselves or if it's a private owner 4378 02:48:01,760 --> 02:48:04,080 using the money to educate them, using 4379 02:48:04,080 --> 02:48:06,399 the money to help them if they can't, if 4380 02:48:06,399 --> 02:48:08,880 they're like elderly on a case- by case 4381 02:48:08,880 --> 02:48:11,600 basis. But I guess I I heard everyone 4382 02:48:11,600 --> 02:48:12,800 say they don't want to do it on private 4383 02:48:12,800 --> 02:48:14,720 property. So, I thought maybe under the 4384 02:48:14,720 --> 02:48:16,640 chief's discretion of where he thinks is 4385 02:48:16,640 --> 02:48:18,160 dangerous would might be something of a 4386 02:48:18,160 --> 02:48:21,040 happy medium. And feel free to nyx that 4387 02:48:21,040 --> 02:48:23,840 if you are not in agreement, um the 4388 02:48:23,840 --> 02:48:27,200 signs, uh I will send you the list of 4389 02:48:27,200 --> 02:48:29,200 the signs. I put them all together. Um 4390 02:48:29,200 --> 02:48:30,160 or I can bring them up in 4391 02:48:30,160 --> 02:48:31,840 communications. 4392 02:48:31,840 --> 02:48:34,960 Uh Shane, um I don't think the shines 4393 02:48:34,960 --> 02:48:37,359 would take $500, but they were meant to 4394 02:48:37,359 --> 02:48:40,640 be like four or five different signs. 4395 02:48:40,640 --> 02:48:43,279 And sorry, lose my voice. The last one I 4396 02:48:43,279 --> 02:48:45,200 think is the the most important one on 4397 02:48:45,200 --> 02:48:46,640 my end. So this everyone kind of gave 4398 02:48:46,640 --> 02:48:48,880 their number one. This is my number one. 4399 02:48:48,880 --> 02:48:51,520 It's the traffic calming 4400 02:48:51,520 --> 02:48:55,439 um Kaden I put in the um I put in the 4401 02:48:55,439 --> 02:48:57,600 thing the actual traffic calming budget 4402 02:48:57,600 --> 02:48:59,520 proposal 4403 02:48:59,520 --> 02:49:03,200 um document. 4404 02:49:03,200 --> 02:49:07,120 Uh you might have to refresh. 4405 02:49:07,120 --> 02:49:09,680 Sorry. And I can explain it. There it 4406 02:49:09,680 --> 02:49:12,479 is. a copy of the if you look at this, 4407 02:49:12,479 --> 02:49:14,399 the original intent of this traffic 4408 02:49:14,399 --> 02:49:19,120 calming was to um it includes what mayor 4409 02:49:19,120 --> 02:49:22,479 brought up Main Street and it tries to a 4410 02:49:22,479 --> 02:49:25,520 lot money towards the no left turn, the 4411 02:49:25,520 --> 02:49:32,399 medium if we need it, the the sign um it then it also includes if you click on 4412 02:49:32,399 --> 02:49:34,720 sort of the top one caden, this was the 4413 02:49:34,720 --> 02:49:36,960 main thing it included. So when it say 4414 02:49:36,960 --> 02:49:38,560 traffic calming measures, if you go to 4415 02:49:38,560 --> 02:49:42,000 the uh that it basically starts at each 4416 02:49:42,000 --> 02:49:45,600 corridor where it has a sign whether it 4417 02:49:45,600 --> 02:49:47,279 says drive slowly or not, you might not 4418 02:49:47,279 --> 02:49:49,520 want it. But then it has crosswalks, 4419 02:49:49,520 --> 02:49:51,680 raised crosswalks, and the things that 4420 02:49:51,680 --> 02:49:53,439 the residents have asked for on each of 4421 02:49:53,439 --> 02:49:56,080 those corridors, whether it is Canyon 4422 02:49:56,080 --> 02:50:02,240 Crest, um Main Street, or uh Westfield. 4423 02:50:02,240 --> 02:50:06,880 And to be honest, it falls right. It's almost identical as the uh corridor 4424 02:50:06,880 --> 02:50:08,880 plan we're about to go over. Not by 4425 02:50:08,880 --> 02:50:11,279 mistake, not by design. It just happened 4426 02:50:11,279 --> 02:50:12,479 to be the same stuff. 4427 02:50:12,479 --> 02:50:14,399 >> Again, I'll just reiterate like I feel 4428 02:50:14,399 --> 02:50:17,439 like um there's lots of traffic calming 4429 02:50:17,439 --> 02:50:20,960 measures that we can be can be done. And 4430 02:50:20,960 --> 02:50:23,200 I would prefer that we take all these 4431 02:50:23,200 --> 02:50:25,760 suggestions and like they prioritize for 4432 02:50:25,760 --> 02:50:27,760 us and when we're done with our money, 4433 02:50:27,760 --> 02:50:30,000 we're done. Like that's all we can do. 4434 02:50:30,000 --> 02:50:31,120 >> Is that is that how it works? So, should 4435 02:50:31,120 --> 02:50:32,479 we just say we want traffic calming, 4436 02:50:32,479 --> 02:50:33,840 then you kind of find out which ones you 4437 02:50:33,840 --> 02:50:35,840 like, or is it helpful for us to list 4438 02:50:35,840 --> 02:50:37,760 ones that we think are great? 4439 02:50:37,760 --> 02:50:40,319 >> What I would suggest is that we get a 4440 02:50:40,319 --> 02:50:43,439 consultant to help us uh create 4441 02:50:43,439 --> 02:50:44,720 criteria. 4442 02:50:44,720 --> 02:50:45,439 >> Thank you. 4443 02:50:45,439 --> 02:50:48,720 >> And then use their expertise to say, 4444 02:50:48,720 --> 02:50:52,800 hey, we we're considering this here. Is 4445 02:50:52,800 --> 02:50:55,600 it a good good application or should we 4446 02:50:55,600 --> 02:50:57,840 be looking at something else based on 4447 02:50:57,840 --> 02:51:01,120 your experience? bring that plan back, 4448 02:51:01,120 --> 02:51:03,040 let the council approve it and then we 4449 02:51:03,040 --> 02:51:05,439 implement it and take the money as far 4450 02:51:05,439 --> 02:51:07,520 as we can implement it for that year and 4451 02:51:07,520 --> 02:51:10,800 then maybe, you know, we'll have a plan. 4452 02:51:10,800 --> 02:51:12,880 Um, we'll have kind of a toolbox and 4453 02:51:12,880 --> 02:51:15,279 then we can budget money in future years 4454 02:51:15,279 --> 02:51:17,439 and just keep chipping away at. 4455 02:51:17,439 --> 02:51:17,920 >> Okay, 4456 02:51:17,920 --> 02:51:19,279 >> let's not delay that. Let's get that 4457 02:51:19,279 --> 02:51:20,479 going, I think. Um 4458 02:51:20,479 --> 02:51:20,960 >> well um 4459 02:51:20,960 --> 02:51:23,680 >> and this but there are some things like 4460 02:51:23,680 --> 02:51:28,800 some crosswalk improvements that would probably coincide with the Canyon 4461 02:51:28,800 --> 02:51:31,040 Crest plan that we've talked about on 4462 02:51:31,040 --> 02:51:33,200 Alageney or it's on Healey wherever it 4463 02:51:33,200 --> 02:51:34,479 is or both. 4464 02:51:34,479 --> 02:51:36,399 >> Um I think those would be independent of 4465 02:51:36,399 --> 02:51:37,840 that process or 4466 02:51:37,840 --> 02:51:40,560 >> we've already like planned for those in 4467 02:51:40,560 --> 02:51:43,120 the um when we put the RFP out with 4468 02:51:43,120 --> 02:51:46,000 Highland um for that stretch of road. 4469 02:51:46,000 --> 02:51:46,240 So, 4470 02:51:46,240 --> 02:51:47,439 >> and then there are also going to be 4471 02:51:47,439 --> 02:51:49,600 unique times where the timing is just 4472 02:51:49,600 --> 02:51:52,080 right to do something and we've talked 4473 02:51:52,080 --> 02:51:54,000 about the roundabout, but the timing of 4474 02:51:54,000 --> 02:51:57,200 all the the other improvements. Um, it 4475 02:51:57,200 --> 02:51:59,279 makes sense to do it all at once if the 4476 02:51:59,279 --> 02:52:01,520 council decides they want to do it. And 4477 02:52:01,520 --> 02:52:03,040 the different funding mechanisms would 4478 02:52:03,040 --> 02:52:06,160 be outside of the set amount because 4479 02:52:06,160 --> 02:52:08,560 we've talked about different options of 4480 02:52:08,560 --> 02:52:10,240 splitting it over two fiscal years 4481 02:52:10,240 --> 02:52:12,319 because the project wouldn't start until 4482 02:52:12,319 --> 02:52:16,319 spring of 2027 when the the uh path plan 4483 02:52:16,319 --> 02:52:17,920 the path improvements and the street 4484 02:52:17,920 --> 02:52:20,319 improvements are happen. But we've also 4485 02:52:20,319 --> 02:52:22,720 talked about the city purchasing 100 4486 02:52:22,720 --> 02:52:24,800 South a few years ago to address 4487 02:52:24,800 --> 02:52:27,520 Mountainville Academy traffic mitigation 4488 02:52:27,520 --> 02:52:30,800 and safety. And we're probably moving 4489 02:52:30,800 --> 02:52:32,560 forward to that with on that hopefully 4490 02:52:32,560 --> 02:52:34,880 with Mountainville Academyy's 4491 02:52:34,880 --> 02:52:37,200 >> um participation, but even if not, we're 4492 02:52:37,200 --> 02:52:38,240 probably going to move forward with some 4493 02:52:38,240 --> 02:52:40,640 of those plans. And regardless of what 4494 02:52:40,640 --> 02:52:42,560 we do, it's going to divert traffic off 4495 02:52:42,560 --> 02:52:44,479 of Main Street, which is what we want. 4496 02:52:44,479 --> 02:52:46,800 And fair peers, the engineers who did 4497 02:52:46,800 --> 02:52:49,200 this traffic study for us, emphasized 4498 02:52:49,200 --> 02:52:51,120 that that would cause a problem at Ridge 4499 02:52:51,120 --> 02:52:53,600 and Canyonrest that would be remedied, 4500 02:52:53,600 --> 02:52:56,160 but remediated with the proposed 4501 02:52:56,160 --> 02:52:58,720 roundabout. So that's why that I think 4502 02:52:58,720 --> 02:53:03,279 would be separate. I mean I just not 4503 02:53:03,279 --> 02:53:05,359 it's multiple buck buckets spread out 4504 02:53:05,359 --> 02:53:07,680 over years using funds from a sale that 4505 02:53:07,680 --> 02:53:10,240 was done with the intent to address 4506 02:53:10,240 --> 02:53:13,760 traffic and safety as a way to not have 4507 02:53:13,760 --> 02:53:16,000 to dip into the capital improvement fund 4508 02:53:16,000 --> 02:53:18,160 as much. Well, Greg, 4509 02:53:18,160 --> 02:53:20,240 >> Shane, correct me if I'm wrong, but if 4510 02:53:20,240 --> 02:53:23,760 um the Canyon Crest is ready and like 4511 02:53:23,760 --> 02:53:26,720 it's a part of that plan at that point, 4512 02:53:26,720 --> 02:53:29,200 we look at all the factors, you know, 4513 02:53:29,200 --> 02:53:31,680 and we could we do [clears throat] a 4514 02:53:31,680 --> 02:53:34,560 budget amendment if it's going to um go 4515 02:53:34,560 --> 02:53:36,960 above what we've approved. That's the 4516 02:53:36,960 --> 02:53:39,040 only one that it feels like it's outside 4517 02:53:39,040 --> 02:53:41,920 of of our current funding. We're dipping 4518 02:53:41,920 --> 02:53:43,840 into like fun balance like I showed you 4519 02:53:43,840 --> 02:53:47,040 like here and there, but that one was a 4520 02:53:47,040 --> 02:53:48,880 significant one and I think it's worthy 4521 02:53:48,880 --> 02:53:51,200 of the discussion with all of Canyon 4522 02:53:51,200 --> 02:53:53,840 Crest and everything else going on. But 4523 02:53:53,840 --> 02:53:55,680 it's hard to to just sit here in 4524 02:53:55,680 --> 02:53:59,840 isolation and say that that that's um 4525 02:53:59,840 --> 02:54:01,279 we're going to do that at this moment 4526 02:54:01,279 --> 02:54:03,840 without looking at all the other traffic 4527 02:54:03,840 --> 02:54:06,000 calming options that we have or do you 4528 02:54:06,000 --> 02:54:07,520 know what I'm saying? like I I'm I know 4529 02:54:07,520 --> 02:54:10,640 it's um been a high topic of 4530 02:54:10,640 --> 02:54:12,640 conversation, but we we don't really 4531 02:54:12,640 --> 02:54:16,399 have the criteria of what are our 4532 02:54:16,399 --> 02:54:18,080 >> Well, we have we have talked extensively 4533 02:54:18,080 --> 02:54:20,640 about options for funding it and we'll 4534 02:54:20,640 --> 02:54:22,800 get to this when it's my turn more, but 4535 02:54:22,800 --> 02:54:24,880 um we have talked about options for 4536 02:54:24,880 --> 02:54:26,960 funding it. We already have three 4537 02:54:26,960 --> 02:54:28,479 council members that have listed as 4538 02:54:28,479 --> 02:54:30,319 their top priority and then Andrew is a 4539 02:54:30,319 --> 02:54:32,960 supportive. He's told me um so I think 4540 02:54:32,960 --> 02:54:35,040 we're already past that point. Well, I 4541 02:54:35,040 --> 02:54:36,479 think it was also depending on if we 4542 02:54:36,479 --> 02:54:39,120 sell the land. Um, and that's still a 4543 02:54:39,120 --> 02:54:39,760 question mark. 4544 02:54:39,760 --> 02:54:42,240 >> That's that's that was a preference 4545 02:54:42,240 --> 02:54:44,800 stated, but that's not a condition for 4546 02:54:44,800 --> 02:54:47,680 council members that have supported it. 4547 02:54:47,680 --> 02:54:49,920 Mayor, it's 9:00. I would like to make a 4548 02:54:49,920 --> 02:54:51,600 motion to 4549 02:54:51,600 --> 02:54:54,160 >> Okay. Yes. to extend the meeting just to 4550 02:54:54,160 --> 02:54:56,080 the point where we can finish the budget 4551 02:54:56,080 --> 02:54:58,960 discussion and 4552 02:54:58,960 --> 02:55:01,760 to address only the design standards of 4553 02:55:01,760 --> 02:55:04,560 the gateway small area plan because 4554 02:55:04,560 --> 02:55:06,319 that's what's most important for the 4555 02:55:06,319 --> 02:55:09,040 fire department decision and postpone 4556 02:55:09,040 --> 02:55:10,880 the rest of any discussion on that till 4557 02:55:10,880 --> 02:55:11,680 a later date. 4558 02:55:11,680 --> 02:55:13,359 >> I have a motion to extend. Is there a 4559 02:55:13,359 --> 02:55:14,160 second? 4560 02:55:14,160 --> 02:55:15,520 >> I second that. 4561 02:55:15,520 --> 02:55:17,279 >> Moved by Councilman Rumbler, seconded by 4562 02:55:17,279 --> 02:55:18,880 Councilwoman 4563 02:55:18,880 --> 02:55:20,880 Blackwell. Let's start with the roll 4564 02:55:20,880 --> 02:55:23,520 call vote. 4565 02:55:23,520 --> 02:55:25,920 Sarah Blackwell, yes. Chris Anaman, yes. 4566 02:55:25,920 --> 02:55:26,880 >> Andrew Young, yes. 4567 02:55:26,880 --> 02:55:28,399 >> Grena, yes. 4568 02:55:28,399 --> 02:55:30,800 >> Jessica Sme, yes. 4569 02:55:30,800 --> 02:55:32,399 >> Okay. 4570 02:55:32,399 --> 02:55:34,479 >> The the last the last question was, 4571 02:55:34,479 --> 02:55:37,120 would you would it be helpful to take 4572 02:55:37,120 --> 02:55:40,800 out some of these specific things and 4573 02:55:40,800 --> 02:55:42,640 separate them? Like in the traffic 4574 02:55:42,640 --> 02:55:45,040 calming, take out the entrance signs and 4575 02:55:45,040 --> 02:55:48,000 make them their own thing. or in the 4576 02:55:48,000 --> 02:55:49,359 water thing, take out some of those 4577 02:55:49,359 --> 02:55:51,040 individual things and make it their own 4578 02:55:51,040 --> 02:55:53,279 thing. Just would that help to be more 4579 02:55:53,279 --> 02:55:54,000 specific? 4580 02:55:54,000 --> 02:55:55,600 >> So, the way I'm seeing it right now, 4581 02:55:55,600 --> 02:55:57,760 we're just like allocating funds and 4582 02:55:57,760 --> 02:56:00,080 then we're working through the details 4583 02:56:00,080 --> 02:56:01,120 on 4584 02:56:01,120 --> 02:56:02,560 >> traffic calming 4585 02:56:02,560 --> 02:56:04,880 >> through through the budget year. So, 4586 02:56:04,880 --> 02:56:07,040 >> for the council, do you think that 4587 02:56:07,040 --> 02:56:09,600 entrance signs are because that was the 4588 02:56:09,600 --> 02:56:12,000 main thing. Are those should those be a 4589 02:56:12,000 --> 02:56:13,439 separate thing or should those be lumped 4590 02:56:13,439 --> 02:56:18,000 in with the traffic calming things? Like 4591 02:56:18,000 --> 02:56:19,200 anything 4592 02:56:19,200 --> 02:56:21,040 >> I see it more as beautifification, not 4593 02:56:21,040 --> 02:56:21,600 traffic. 4594 02:56:21,600 --> 02:56:23,600 >> I agree. I only put it because it was 4595 02:56:23,600 --> 02:56:25,279 >> I would have lumped it with like the 4596 02:56:25,279 --> 02:56:26,560 Eastman or 4597 02:56:26,560 --> 02:56:28,319 >> maybe I can just pull those out just so 4598 02:56:28,319 --> 02:56:29,920 people can vote on them individually if 4599 02:56:29,920 --> 02:56:30,560 that's okay. 4600 02:56:30,560 --> 02:56:34,000 >> Well, and a lot of these are well below 4601 02:56:34,000 --> 02:56:36,160 the the budget approval threshold, 4602 02:56:36,160 --> 02:56:37,359 right? 4603 02:56:37,359 --> 02:56:39,359 So some of them were we've identified as 4604 02:56:39,359 --> 02:56:40,880 future projects. Some we've identified 4605 02:56:40,880 --> 02:56:43,040 as waiting for grants. The parks we've 4606 02:56:43,040 --> 02:56:44,720 identified as waiting for the master 4607 02:56:44,720 --> 02:56:45,200 plan. 4608 02:56:45,200 --> 02:56:46,399 >> Right. Right. 4609 02:56:46,399 --> 02:56:49,920 >> With a emphasis on Peterson even if it 4610 02:56:49,920 --> 02:56:52,479 might not be the priority from the 4611 02:56:52,479 --> 02:56:55,040 residents, but to do it in conjunction 4612 02:56:55,040 --> 02:56:57,520 with the installation of the path and 4613 02:56:57,520 --> 02:56:59,439 the improvements on Crest. 4614 02:56:59,439 --> 02:57:01,600 >> It just makes sense to me to do that at 4615 02:57:01,600 --> 02:57:04,080 the same time. Whereas it might not be 4616 02:57:04,080 --> 02:57:05,760 the number one on the priority. It just 4617 02:57:05,760 --> 02:57:07,520 the timing makes sense which is similar 4618 02:57:07,520 --> 02:57:10,880 to the roundabout. Um 4619 02:57:10,880 --> 02:57:13,520 so a lot of these even the raccoon plan 4620 02:57:13,520 --> 02:57:14,720 doesn't 4621 02:57:14,720 --> 02:57:17,439 >> I guess 4622 02:57:17,439 --> 02:57:22,080 it's well below the threshold of but 4623 02:57:22,080 --> 02:57:23,680 we'll make you feel better. Why don't 4624 02:57:23,680 --> 02:57:26,479 you um create a list and you can submit 4625 02:57:26,479 --> 02:57:27,760 that. Why don't you email it to 4626 02:57:27,760 --> 02:57:29,520 everybody so we all understand and so 4627 02:57:29,520 --> 02:57:31,120 that we're all on the same page. Okay. 4628 02:57:31,120 --> 02:57:31,920 Sounds good. Thanks. 4629 02:57:31,920 --> 02:57:33,279 >> Meanwhile, hey Jessica, do you want to 4630 02:57:33,279 --> 02:57:33,920 go next? Oh, 4631 02:57:33,920 --> 02:57:36,870 >> it's my turn. 4632 02:57:36,880 --> 02:57:38,640 Well, after council member, 4633 02:57:38,640 --> 02:57:40,880 >> I can go first if you want. I don't 4634 02:57:40,880 --> 02:57:42,479 mind. 4635 02:57:42,479 --> 02:57:43,760 >> Jess, why don't you go ahead and then 4636 02:57:43,760 --> 02:57:48,160 we'll have um Brent go last this time. 4637 02:57:48,160 --> 02:57:53,190 >> I'm going to switch it up. 4638 02:57:53,200 --> 02:57:55,040 So, 4639 02:57:55,040 --> 02:57:57,120 as far as budgeting goes, couldn't we do 4640 02:57:57,120 --> 02:57:59,840 the same thing the mayor mentioned um at 4641 02:57:59,840 --> 02:58:01,120 the beginning of the discussion 4642 02:58:01,120 --> 02:58:02,640 prioritizing 4643 02:58:02,640 --> 02:58:05,600 Main Street and make and asking if it 4644 02:58:05,600 --> 02:58:07,840 should be a line item? And Chrissy, you 4645 02:58:07,840 --> 02:58:09,760 said we could just do a budget amendment 4646 02:58:09,760 --> 02:58:12,560 on some of these things. So, I agree. 4647 02:58:12,560 --> 02:58:14,880 >> Oh, I meant um to be clear, I I meant 4648 02:58:14,880 --> 02:58:17,680 something as large as a $ 1.5 million 4649 02:58:17,680 --> 02:58:20,560 roundabout. That's what I meant. 4650 02:58:20,560 --> 02:58:23,359 >> Okay. So, but as far as priorities go 4651 02:58:23,359 --> 02:58:25,840 and considering Main Street, you know, 4652 02:58:25,840 --> 02:58:29,040 that really is a this year problem. So, 4653 02:58:29,040 --> 02:58:31,359 um before I move into next year's 4654 02:58:31,359 --> 02:58:35,279 budget, could we look at allocating some 4655 02:58:35,279 --> 02:58:38,880 money and getting 4656 02:58:38,880 --> 02:58:41,279 a solution moved forward for Main Street 4657 02:58:41,279 --> 02:58:43,840 traffic problems? because a lot of these 4658 02:58:43,840 --> 02:58:47,439 trafficcoming things are an extension or 4659 02:58:47,439 --> 02:58:50,319 impacted by what's going on on Main 4660 02:58:50,319 --> 02:58:53,680 Street. So, I'm I need some clarity or 4661 02:58:53,680 --> 02:58:56,000 understanding of what the holdup is for 4662 02:58:56,000 --> 02:58:58,560 us to start to move forward now that 4663 02:58:58,560 --> 02:59:00,560 we've gotten a couple of different 4664 02:59:00,560 --> 02:59:02,560 reports from traffic engineers on 4665 02:59:02,560 --> 02:59:05,359 solutions and what's, you know, can we 4666 02:59:05,359 --> 02:59:07,120 start to budget funds for that? That's 4667 02:59:07,120 --> 02:59:09,520 question number one. 4668 02:59:09,520 --> 02:59:12,319 >> Yeah. And to address that, the mayor um 4669 02:59:12,319 --> 02:59:14,399 has talked to us about making sure we 4670 02:59:14,399 --> 02:59:16,880 have um kind of a list of projects for 4671 02:59:16,880 --> 02:59:18,560 Main Street that could be installed 4672 02:59:18,560 --> 02:59:21,040 before school starts this fall. And so 4673 02:59:21,040 --> 02:59:23,760 that's what we're working on uh to bring 4674 02:59:23,760 --> 02:59:26,319 back uh kind of a proposal to the 4675 02:59:26,319 --> 02:59:26,960 council. 4676 02:59:26,960 --> 02:59:27,600 >> That's wonderful. 4677 02:59:27,600 --> 02:59:31,600 >> Um so those could be done. And um uh we 4678 02:59:31,600 --> 02:59:33,520 had you approve, you know, a pretty 4679 02:59:33,520 --> 02:59:35,920 significant uh street maintenance 4680 02:59:35,920 --> 02:59:38,160 project tonight, but we still held funds 4681 02:59:38,160 --> 02:59:40,160 back from what 4682 02:59:40,160 --> 02:59:43,200 that's not taking care of or not using 4683 02:59:43,200 --> 02:59:44,720 all the funds we have in this year's 4684 02:59:44,720 --> 02:59:47,680 budget. Um, we've left a pretty good 4685 02:59:47,680 --> 02:59:50,000 chunk back that can help with those 4686 02:59:50,000 --> 02:59:52,000 things. So, 4687 02:59:52,000 --> 02:59:53,760 >> so does that need to be put in this 4688 02:59:53,760 --> 02:59:55,439 matrix because aren't we deciding on 4689 02:59:55,439 --> 02:59:57,680 budget right now and do we need to have 4690 02:59:57,680 --> 03:00:00,080 line of sight into budget items? We are, 4691 03:00:00,080 --> 03:00:02,240 but this is we're talking about next 4692 03:00:02,240 --> 03:00:03,920 year's budget. And you your first 4693 03:00:03,920 --> 03:00:06,479 question was on something that you want 4694 03:00:06,479 --> 03:00:09,359 started this year. And so we have funds 4695 03:00:09,359 --> 03:00:12,560 there. And then from the same pocket of 4696 03:00:12,560 --> 03:00:14,000 money, the million-doll street 4697 03:00:14,000 --> 03:00:17,439 maintenance, um, we can, you know, take 4698 03:00:17,439 --> 03:00:19,920 part of that and do some of these more 4699 03:00:19,920 --> 03:00:22,800 minor improvements without having a 4700 03:00:22,800 --> 03:00:24,399 significant impact on our street 4701 03:00:24,399 --> 03:00:26,080 maintenance. 4702 03:00:26,080 --> 03:00:29,040 >> Okay. So that will be addressed this 4703 03:00:29,040 --> 03:00:30,720 year. So that's great. That's great 4704 03:00:30,720 --> 03:00:35,520 news. Um so going down the list, I I 4705 03:00:35,520 --> 03:00:37,920 also remember when we met and had our 4706 03:00:37,920 --> 03:00:40,319 budget meeting, I think the consensus 4707 03:00:40,319 --> 03:00:44,160 was that all of these projects were a 4708 03:00:44,160 --> 03:00:47,120 priority and then what staff would do 4709 03:00:47,120 --> 03:00:49,600 would take it back and then look at how 4710 03:00:49,600 --> 03:00:52,240 it would be funded. So, for example, 4711 03:00:52,240 --> 03:00:54,479 looking at our park tax, how much of 4712 03:00:54,479 --> 03:00:58,240 these projects we would then um fund 4713 03:00:58,240 --> 03:01:01,600 through the park tax allocation? So, are 4714 03:01:01,600 --> 03:01:04,640 you asking for something different from 4715 03:01:04,640 --> 03:01:06,640 our budget meeting where we where we 4716 03:01:06,640 --> 03:01:09,279 walked away with consensus that all of 4717 03:01:09,279 --> 03:01:12,560 these council submitts had priority and 4718 03:01:12,560 --> 03:01:16,160 staff would then come up with ways to 4719 03:01:16,160 --> 03:01:18,240 fund them? No, I think they're looking 4720 03:01:18,240 --> 03:01:20,160 more for direction that we're not sure 4721 03:01:20,160 --> 03:01:21,120 if we're going to be able to get 4722 03:01:21,120 --> 03:01:22,800 everything done with the limited staff 4723 03:01:22,800 --> 03:01:26,319 that we have. Um, and that moving 4724 03:01:26,319 --> 03:01:28,399 forward that they would like to know 4725 03:01:28,399 --> 03:01:30,720 what the priorities are and how to go 4726 03:01:30,720 --> 03:01:32,720 about work start working on these 4727 03:01:32,720 --> 03:01:35,600 projects along with everything else. 4728 03:01:35,600 --> 03:01:38,640 >> Is that your understanding? and funding 4729 03:01:38,640 --> 03:01:42,319 um all of these in this budget year. 4730 03:01:42,319 --> 03:01:45,200 Like you can see if you look at that uh 4731 03:01:45,200 --> 03:01:48,160 fund analysis sheet, it the capital 4732 03:01:48,160 --> 03:01:50,319 improvement fund takes a significant 4733 03:01:50,319 --> 03:01:53,200 hit. Some of these projects, the smaller 4734 03:01:53,200 --> 03:01:56,000 ones that are in yellow on on my sheet 4735 03:01:56,000 --> 03:01:59,760 >> or on your matrix aren't even in there. 4736 03:01:59,760 --> 03:02:01,120 >> We put the larger one like the 4737 03:02:01,120 --> 03:02:03,200 roundabouts in there. We had money in 4738 03:02:03,200 --> 03:02:05,520 there for traffic calming. 4739 03:02:05,520 --> 03:02:07,600 uh 4740 03:02:07,600 --> 03:02:09,680 three or four of these other projects. 4741 03:02:09,680 --> 03:02:12,800 Um but as as I had explained before, not 4742 03:02:12,800 --> 03:02:15,600 all of them were put in there. It it's 4743 03:02:15,600 --> 03:02:17,840 taken a more of a major hit on the 4744 03:02:17,840 --> 03:02:21,200 capital improvement fund than what I'm 4745 03:02:21,200 --> 03:02:25,200 comfortable with in one year. Um again, 4746 03:02:25,200 --> 03:02:28,080 with the roundabout, 4747 03:02:28,080 --> 03:02:32,000 uh I have 980,000 4748 03:02:32,000 --> 03:02:34,000 coming from the capital improvement 4749 03:02:34,000 --> 03:02:35,120 fund. 4750 03:02:35,120 --> 03:02:39,040 Um the other two there's 100,000 in one 4751 03:02:39,040 --> 03:02:43,760 area. Let's see 250 4752 03:02:43,760 --> 03:02:46,399 in class C and 170 in street impact 4753 03:02:46,399 --> 03:02:47,920 fees. 4754 03:02:47,920 --> 03:02:50,240 The 980 and capital improvement fund 4755 03:02:50,240 --> 03:02:52,240 unless we have a significant transfer 4756 03:02:52,240 --> 03:02:54,880 this year. That's not really going to 4757 03:02:54,880 --> 03:02:57,439 change. The others we could split budget 4758 03:02:57,439 --> 03:03:01,200 years and help some. And then what about 4759 03:03:01,200 --> 03:03:02,000 >> couple 4760 03:03:02,000 --> 03:03:04,160 >> the sale of the property at 100 South 4761 03:03:04,160 --> 03:03:05,600 >> and that's the other thing that's not 4762 03:03:05,600 --> 03:03:09,359 con um considered in this because it's 4763 03:03:09,359 --> 03:03:11,439 not done yet 4764 03:03:11,439 --> 03:03:14,479 >> but it's it's consideration kind of to 4765 03:03:14,479 --> 03:03:16,880 think about off to the side. Yes. 4766 03:03:16,880 --> 03:03:19,200 >> Okay. So that helps me just prioritizing 4767 03:03:19,200 --> 03:03:21,760 this with you're just looking for again 4768 03:03:21,760 --> 03:03:24,240 a one two and three then as far as 4769 03:03:24,240 --> 03:03:26,000 what's the most important 4770 03:03:26,000 --> 03:03:27,359 >> that would be helpful. Well, and if I 4771 03:03:27,359 --> 03:03:30,080 can just say our fund balance, 4772 03:03:30,080 --> 03:03:31,600 especially in the capital improvement 4773 03:03:31,600 --> 03:03:34,880 fund, is what really has allowed us to 4774 03:03:34,880 --> 03:03:37,200 purchase some of these properties that 4775 03:03:37,200 --> 03:03:40,000 came up at key times that really weren't 4776 03:03:40,000 --> 03:03:41,600 anticipated. 4777 03:03:41,600 --> 03:03:44,479 Um, so if we 4778 03:03:44,479 --> 03:03:46,560 knock that down too much and something 4779 03:03:46,560 --> 03:03:50,720 comes up, we may not have that option. 4780 03:03:50,720 --> 03:03:52,560 Um, so that's just something to keep in 4781 03:03:52,560 --> 03:03:53,120 mind. 4782 03:03:53,120 --> 03:03:55,040 >> Yeah, I agree with Shane's concerns. 4783 03:03:55,040 --> 03:03:56,880 That's what my numbers were showing is 4784 03:03:56,880 --> 03:04:01,200 that we're using a significant um 4785 03:04:01,200 --> 03:04:03,760 we're using like I think 55 I could pull 4786 03:04:03,760 --> 03:04:04,640 it up. 4787 03:04:04,640 --> 03:04:07,920 >> We're using a huge chunk of it just um 4788 03:04:07,920 --> 03:04:10,240 in one year and yet it takes multiple 4789 03:04:10,240 --> 03:04:13,359 years to build the fund balance. So um 4790 03:04:13,359 --> 03:04:16,560 we're using 55% of it in one year. If I 4791 03:04:16,560 --> 03:04:18,319 were to come up with a policy all all 4792 03:04:18,319 --> 03:04:20,080 and I had my magic wand of Chrissy 4793 03:04:20,080 --> 03:04:22,479 Hanaman like you could never use 50% 4794 03:04:22,479 --> 03:04:26,560 without like a super majority vote of 4795 03:04:26,560 --> 03:04:28,479 council because you're putting us at 4796 03:04:28,479 --> 03:04:32,479 financial that that's just a huge um hit 4797 03:04:32,479 --> 03:04:35,040 to our financial stability which is also 4798 03:04:35,040 --> 03:04:36,479 something they look at when they bond 4799 03:04:36,479 --> 03:04:38,240 and things that we have these fund 4800 03:04:38,240 --> 03:04:40,560 balances and if they disappear over one 4801 03:04:40,560 --> 03:04:43,040 year that what it reflects is that we 4802 03:04:43,040 --> 03:04:45,680 are not fiscally responsible. And so I 4803 03:04:45,680 --> 03:04:48,560 that is a big deterrent to funding a 4804 03:04:48,560 --> 03:04:51,279 large project at this point. I'm not 4805 03:04:51,279 --> 03:04:53,520 against the idea that um we need some 4806 03:04:53,520 --> 03:04:55,120 traffic calming and maybe it could help 4807 03:04:55,120 --> 03:04:56,880 instead of the roundabout which would be 4808 03:04:56,880 --> 03:04:59,600 more affordable. I do see that there's a 4809 03:04:59,600 --> 03:05:01,600 an issue with a crosswalk, but I 4810 03:05:01,600 --> 03:05:03,680 personally am not comfortable with 1.5 4811 03:05:03,680 --> 03:05:06,560 million and that is a 55% hit which we 4812 03:05:06,560 --> 03:05:08,399 it took years to get to build that up 4813 03:05:08,399 --> 03:05:12,080 and to just say o you know away it goes 4814 03:05:12,080 --> 03:05:15,600 in one point um spread that out over two 4815 03:05:15,600 --> 03:05:18,960 years or was that just assuming that was absorbed in one year? 4816 03:05:18,960 --> 03:05:20,319 >> That's just this year. 4817 03:05:20,319 --> 03:05:20,800 >> No, that's 4818 03:05:20,800 --> 03:05:22,960 >> okay. So So it would be different. So, 4819 03:05:22,960 --> 03:05:25,279 I'll just um No, it's not. She's taking 4820 03:05:25,279 --> 03:05:27,200 out She's not taking out the full I can 4821 03:05:27,200 --> 03:05:29,760 tie it out for you cost in one year. 4822 03:05:29,760 --> 03:05:32,560 >> That's Shane's numbers. 4175 is Shane's 4823 03:05:32,560 --> 03:05:33,439 number. 4824 03:05:33,439 --> 03:05:35,040 >> No, I understand that. But the 4825 03:05:35,040 --> 03:05:37,120 conversation again we've had multiple 4826 03:05:37,120 --> 03:05:40,240 times is with this MAG project coming in 4827 03:05:40,240 --> 03:05:41,680 and when it's actually going to get 4828 03:05:41,680 --> 03:05:43,200 started and the improvements are going 4829 03:05:43,200 --> 03:05:45,600 to be done because they haven't started 4830 03:05:45,600 --> 03:05:47,680 all the acquisition and the easements 4831 03:05:47,680 --> 03:05:50,240 and all of those things on the Highland 4832 03:05:50,240 --> 03:05:52,640 side. It's highly likely that that won't 4833 03:05:52,640 --> 03:05:54,960 come in until the following year. So 4834 03:05:54,960 --> 03:05:57,760 that we could actually take half of the 4835 03:05:57,760 --> 03:06:00,399 cost of the roundabout this fiscal year 4836 03:06:00,399 --> 03:06:02,560 and then do the same that we've done 4837 03:06:02,560 --> 03:06:04,960 with the fire station. take the other 4838 03:06:04,960 --> 03:06:08,240 half the following fiscal year. So I 4839 03:06:08,240 --> 03:06:12,160 think that would reduce your 55% down by 4840 03:06:12,160 --> 03:06:14,800 half. So then it would fall into an 4841 03:06:14,800 --> 03:06:16,720 acceptable matrix. 4842 03:06:16,720 --> 03:06:18,960 >> So I I I tried to make this clear, but I 4843 03:06:18,960 --> 03:06:20,960 don't think I made it clear enough. So 4844 03:06:20,960 --> 03:06:23,920 of the 1.5 million, 4845 03:06:23,920 --> 03:06:27,520 um there's about 350,000 of that that's 4846 03:06:27,520 --> 03:06:30,240 reoccurring money. So it's new money 4847 03:06:30,240 --> 03:06:32,399 that gets replenished every year. The 4848 03:06:32,399 --> 03:06:34,479 other portion is coming from capital the 4849 03:06:34,479 --> 03:06:38,240 capital improvement fund which doesn't 4850 03:06:38,240 --> 03:06:40,399 really unless we have a transfer at the 4851 03:06:40,399 --> 03:06:42,080 end of the year doesn't really receive 4852 03:06:42,080 --> 03:06:46,000 new money. Um the fourth fund would be 4853 03:06:46,000 --> 03:06:49,840 from street impact fees which you know 4854 03:06:49,840 --> 03:06:52,479 there will be some generated um through 4855 03:06:52,479 --> 03:06:57,439 new growth but um about 350,000 of that 4856 03:06:57,439 --> 03:06:59,680 is reoccurring like general fund type 4857 03:06:59,680 --> 03:07:00,479 money 4858 03:07:00,479 --> 03:07:02,640 >> and then the sale of the property if we 4859 03:07:02,640 --> 03:07:04,000 end up selling that yes 4860 03:07:04,000 --> 03:07:07,760 >> with a deed restriction or to the to 4861 03:07:07,760 --> 03:07:11,120 the school then that would nearly wipe 4862 03:07:11,120 --> 03:07:14,960 out the capital improvement fund 4863 03:07:14,960 --> 03:07:16,160 cost. 4864 03:07:16,160 --> 03:07:17,520 >> Yes, you added cost. It would replace. 4865 03:07:17,520 --> 03:07:18,880 You said the word cost, not 4866 03:07:18,880 --> 03:07:20,960 >> it would wipe it out or replace. 4867 03:07:20,960 --> 03:07:21,920 >> Replace. Yeah. 4868 03:07:21,920 --> 03:07:23,120 >> Yeah. 4869 03:07:23,120 --> 03:07:24,479 >> Remember the purpose of that purchase 4870 03:07:24,479 --> 03:07:26,640 was to address 4871 03:07:26,640 --> 03:07:28,240 traffic and safety. And by diverting 4872 03:07:28,240 --> 03:07:30,880 traffic, the engineers have said it's 4873 03:07:30,880 --> 03:07:33,040 going to cause that intersection to fail 4874 03:07:33,040 --> 03:07:38,550 or likely to cause it. 4875 03:07:38,560 --> 03:07:40,080 » Sorry, Jessica. Did you have anything 4876 03:07:40,080 --> 03:07:42,160 else you wanted to say, Jessica? Or do 4877 03:07:42,160 --> 03:07:43,040 you want to keep your 4878 03:07:43,040 --> 03:07:45,520 >> I would prioritize the roundabout for 4879 03:07:45,520 --> 03:07:47,920 the timing purposes. We're doing the 4880 03:07:47,920 --> 03:07:49,520 improvement 4881 03:07:49,520 --> 03:07:53,120 along um Canyon Crest Road all the way, 4882 03:07:53,120 --> 03:07:54,880 you know, connecting into trails in 4883 03:07:54,880 --> 03:07:59,359 Highland. The I feel like multimodal 4884 03:07:59,359 --> 03:08:02,720 demand is only going to increase as um 4885 03:08:02,720 --> 03:08:04,479 that walking trail comes in all the way 4886 03:08:04,479 --> 03:08:06,560 to our roundabout. because we're doing 4887 03:08:06,560 --> 03:08:08,880 the improvements and we've also had 4888 03:08:08,880 --> 03:08:11,040 multiple traffic studies and engineers 4889 03:08:11,040 --> 03:08:13,920 and professionals weigh in on this and 4890 03:08:13,920 --> 03:08:16,560 the recommendation is that a roundabout 4891 03:08:16,560 --> 03:08:20,960 would be a great solution. um not just 4892 03:08:20,960 --> 03:08:22,560 for our current need and the current 4893 03:08:22,560 --> 03:08:24,880 demand, but also like I mentioned 4894 03:08:24,880 --> 03:08:28,080 before, we have I can't I think 200 4895 03:08:28,080 --> 03:08:31,279 entitled lots and we have other lots 4896 03:08:31,279 --> 03:08:34,000 coming in that we're looking um at 4897 03:08:34,000 --> 03:08:36,560 possibly um bringing in more property 4898 03:08:36,560 --> 03:08:39,040 into Alpine. And so as we grow as a 4899 03:08:39,040 --> 03:08:41,439 city, you know, we need to be really 4900 03:08:41,439 --> 03:08:43,439 considering the future growth and the 4901 03:08:43,439 --> 03:08:46,319 future traffic patterns. So, it solves a 4902 03:08:46,319 --> 03:08:48,080 problem we have today as pointed out by 4903 03:08:48,080 --> 03:08:50,720 the professionals, but it also addresses 4904 03:08:50,720 --> 03:08:55,040 future city planning for safety and um 4905 03:08:55,040 --> 03:08:57,439 it's just to me the timing works and we 4906 03:08:57,439 --> 03:08:59,120 can spread it out over a couple years 4907 03:08:59,120 --> 03:09:01,680 and I don't think it would be burdensome 4908 03:09:01,680 --> 03:09:04,160 to our budget. I think every year we 4909 03:09:04,160 --> 03:09:07,279 actually do replenish 4910 03:09:07,279 --> 03:09:10,080 don't we do replenish um the fund 4911 03:09:10,080 --> 03:09:11,760 balance Shane? I think I remember every 4912 03:09:11,760 --> 03:09:13,279 year we have a little bit of money that 4913 03:09:13,279 --> 03:09:15,840 we move over. At least we have up until 4914 03:09:15,840 --> 03:09:16,880 now. 4915 03:09:16,880 --> 03:09:20,080 >> Yeah. So, so like the last couple years 4916 03:09:20,080 --> 03:09:21,439 a lot of the money that's been 4917 03:09:21,439 --> 03:09:24,560 transferred um was allocated for the 4918 03:09:24,560 --> 03:09:27,600 fire station. And so now we went and 4919 03:09:27,600 --> 03:09:30,160 actually earmarked that in our financial 4920 03:09:30,160 --> 03:09:32,720 report for that purpose so it doesn't 4921 03:09:32,720 --> 03:09:35,279 get kind of lost in the shuffle. It's 4922 03:09:35,279 --> 03:09:38,399 helps us remember why it's there. But we 4923 03:09:38,399 --> 03:09:40,800 also absorbed a $400,000 increase to our 4924 03:09:40,800 --> 03:09:45,840 Lone Peak safety. So, um, that was 4925 03:09:45,840 --> 03:09:47,600 >> Chrissy, you had your turn. 4926 03:09:47,600 --> 03:09:48,240 >> Oh, 4927 03:09:48,240 --> 03:09:50,960 >> so that anyway, that is I would 4928 03:09:50,960 --> 03:09:53,040 prioritize that. And then whatever funds 4929 03:09:53,040 --> 03:09:55,840 are left over, I would do anything for 4930 03:09:55,840 --> 03:09:59,279 safety and, um, pedestrian safety. I 4931 03:09:59,279 --> 03:10:02,080 would do race crosswalks if you know the 4932 03:10:02,080 --> 03:10:05,040 allocations of of funds remain. [snorts] 4933 03:10:05,040 --> 03:10:07,760 And then as far as prioritizing our 4934 03:10:07,760 --> 03:10:10,800 parks and our history, we have our park 4935 03:10:10,800 --> 03:10:14,720 tax. So I I really like the idea of 4936 03:10:14,720 --> 03:10:16,479 having a plan and just allocating 4937 03:10:16,479 --> 03:10:18,319 percentages every year so we know what 4938 03:10:18,319 --> 03:10:20,720 projects we can work on. So that 4939 03:10:20,720 --> 03:10:24,240 wouldn't impact our general fund. Is 4940 03:10:24,240 --> 03:10:27,680 that correct? The park tax would um be 4941 03:10:27,680 --> 03:10:29,520 able to absorb those costs. 4942 03:10:29,520 --> 03:10:30,720 >> Yes. 4943 03:10:30,720 --> 03:10:32,560 >> Okay. So those those are what's 4944 03:10:32,560 --> 03:10:34,000 important to me. 4945 03:10:34,000 --> 03:10:36,000 Thank you, Brent. 4946 03:10:36,000 --> 03:10:38,000 >> All right. Uh 4947 03:10:38,000 --> 03:10:40,399 Sarah, I appreciate your 4948 03:10:40,399 --> 03:10:42,399 um expressing your budget priorities. 4949 03:10:42,399 --> 03:10:44,560 They're very they're the same as mine. 4950 03:10:44,560 --> 03:10:48,640 Um I think government has some primary 4951 03:10:48,640 --> 03:10:50,160 responsibilities. One being 4952 03:10:50,160 --> 03:10:52,240 infrastructure and that's water and 4953 03:10:52,240 --> 03:10:54,240 obvious obviously other infrastructure 4954 03:10:54,240 --> 03:10:57,200 efficient and well-maintained roads 4955 03:10:57,200 --> 03:11:00,319 basic services such as snow removal 4956 03:11:00,319 --> 03:11:02,479 permitting ordinance enforcement and 4957 03:11:02,479 --> 03:11:05,200 then the other big role of government is 4958 03:11:05,200 --> 03:11:08,479 safety and I appreciate our fire and 4959 03:11:08,479 --> 03:11:10,960 police departments in that regard and 4960 03:11:10,960 --> 03:11:12,720 traffic safety I think is one of those 4961 03:11:12,720 --> 03:11:14,720 highest priorities. 4962 03:11:14,720 --> 03:11:17,040 Um, 4963 03:11:17,040 --> 03:11:18,880 just going back a little bit, we've 4964 03:11:18,880 --> 03:11:21,680 already talked about this in the past two meetings. Clearly, not 4965 03:11:21,680 --> 03:11:22,720 everyone's going to agree on everything. 4966 03:11:22,720 --> 03:11:24,160 We had a few residents come and talk 4967 03:11:24,160 --> 03:11:27,040 about their opposition to a roundabout. 4968 03:11:27,040 --> 03:11:29,920 We've all received several emails from 4969 03:11:29,920 --> 03:11:32,160 residents expressing support. I've 4970 03:11:32,160 --> 03:11:34,880 gotten lots of verbal um expressions of 4971 03:11:34,880 --> 03:11:36,160 support. I know there are others who 4972 03:11:36,160 --> 03:11:38,319 don't, even those that live by there. 4973 03:11:38,319 --> 03:11:41,279 Some don't want a roundabout either. Um 4974 03:11:41,279 --> 03:11:43,359 we had 4975 03:11:43,359 --> 03:11:46,960 um a resident who met with Andrew who 4976 03:11:46,960 --> 03:11:47,920 went around and 4977 03:11:47,920 --> 03:11:52,000 >> Jeff Guptell Guptell who uh also spoke 4978 03:11:52,000 --> 03:11:53,680 at the planning commission meeting in 4979 03:11:53,680 --> 03:11:55,200 support of the roundabout and he went 4980 03:11:55,200 --> 03:11:57,600 around and petitioned neighbors and got 4981 03:11:57,600 --> 03:12:00,399 40 a little over 40 people that he 4982 03:12:00,399 --> 03:12:05,279 petitioned and 40 agreed that it was uh 4983 03:12:05,279 --> 03:12:06,479 appropriate and that's what something 4984 03:12:06,479 --> 03:12:08,479 they would like to see. Two said no. One 4985 03:12:08,479 --> 03:12:10,560 guy was from England and he said, "I 4986 03:12:10,560 --> 03:12:12,160 don't want any more roundabouts unless 4987 03:12:12,160 --> 03:12:13,600 the Americans learn how to drive in 4988 03:12:13,600 --> 03:12:16,560 them." Which I thought was pretty funny. 4989 03:12:16,560 --> 03:12:19,760 All right, so we've had pro several 4990 03:12:19,760 --> 03:12:21,200 professional recommendations from 4991 03:12:21,200 --> 03:12:23,040 traffic and safety engineers, and we've 4992 03:12:23,040 --> 03:12:24,319 been told over and over again how 4993 03:12:24,319 --> 03:12:25,840 important it is to get the backing of 4994 03:12:25,840 --> 03:12:29,680 professionals. The first was in 2024. 4995 03:12:29,680 --> 03:12:31,439 Traffic engineer and general manager 4996 03:12:31,439 --> 03:12:33,439 Josh Gibbons from Hails Engineering was 4997 03:12:33,439 --> 03:12:36,000 the first one to suggest that a 4998 03:12:36,000 --> 03:12:38,160 roundabout would be the best option to 4999 03:12:38,160 --> 03:12:41,439 address both operations efficiency and 5000 03:12:41,439 --> 03:12:45,760 safety at that um intersection. 5001 03:12:45,760 --> 03:12:48,000 And in 2025, 5002 03:12:48,000 --> 03:12:49,920 the traffic and safety engineer hired as 5003 03:12:49,920 --> 03:12:51,040 part of the consulting team for the 5004 03:12:51,040 --> 03:12:54,800 small area plan, Michael Malay, he um 5005 03:12:54,800 --> 03:12:57,680 also recommends a roundabout to address 5006 03:12:57,680 --> 03:13:01,120 both operations and safety at that 5007 03:13:01,120 --> 03:13:03,600 problem intersection and short stretch 5008 03:13:03,600 --> 03:13:05,680 of road. 5009 03:13:05,680 --> 03:13:08,640 In January of 2026, I had reached out to 5010 03:13:08,640 --> 03:13:13,600 the Lynen City um public works director 5011 03:13:13,600 --> 03:13:16,080 and their engineer about the new 5012 03:13:16,080 --> 03:13:18,880 roundabout I saw on their main street in 5013 03:13:18,880 --> 03:13:21,200 Lynden near the temple, the new temple. 5014 03:13:21,200 --> 03:13:23,520 And they highly recommended Kellerin 5015 03:13:23,520 --> 03:13:25,760 Associates. They're the ones who helped 5016 03:13:25,760 --> 03:13:28,239 them design their roundabout. And it was 5017 03:13:28,239 --> 03:13:30,479 about $500,000. So, there are cheaper 5018 03:13:30,479 --> 03:13:33,120 options and we can discuss ways to save 5019 03:13:33,120 --> 03:13:35,040 money. I would really like to save money 5020 03:13:35,040 --> 03:13:36,640 and I'd really like that grant to come 5021 03:13:36,640 --> 03:13:40,160 through. Um, Keller Associates looked at 5022 03:13:40,160 --> 03:13:42,080 traffic data. They looked at the 5023 03:13:42,080 --> 03:13:43,600 intersection, actually came out and 5024 03:13:43,600 --> 03:13:45,760 spent quite a bit of time at the 5025 03:13:45,760 --> 03:13:49,680 intersection. They met with Jason and 5026 03:13:49,680 --> 03:13:53,359 Andrew Young and myself and um, also 5027 03:13:53,359 --> 03:13:55,680 expressed how they thought a roundabout 5028 03:13:55,680 --> 03:13:58,239 would be a very good option for 5029 03:13:58,239 --> 03:14:00,160 addressing both operations and safety. 5030 03:14:00,160 --> 03:14:02,399 And then finally, as we've already 5031 03:14:02,399 --> 03:14:05,760 talked about tonight, we Alpine hired um 5032 03:14:05,760 --> 03:14:07,120 Farah and Piers to look at the 5033 03:14:07,120 --> 03:14:08,319 Mountainville Academy, get an 5034 03:14:08,319 --> 03:14:12,239 independent assessment. And without me 5035 03:14:12,239 --> 03:14:15,040 saying anything to them, they said if 5036 03:14:15,040 --> 03:14:17,840 you divert traffic off of Main Street, a 5037 03:14:17,840 --> 03:14:20,319 lot of it's going to go east toward that 5038 03:14:20,319 --> 03:14:22,880 Ridge and Canyon Crest intersection, and 5039 03:14:22,880 --> 03:14:24,319 it would likely cause that intersection 5040 03:14:24,319 --> 03:14:27,680 to fail. So, it's all four in all four 5041 03:14:27,680 --> 03:14:31,200 engineers firms. um have all said had 5042 03:14:31,200 --> 03:14:33,120 the same recommendation. And then Andy 5043 03:14:33,120 --> 03:14:37,040 Spencer, also a U DOT employee, former 5044 03:14:37,040 --> 03:14:40,160 city engineer and Alpine resident, has 5045 03:14:40,160 --> 03:14:41,840 expressed that it would be a good option 5046 03:14:41,840 --> 03:14:44,319 for that intersection. 5047 03:14:44,319 --> 03:14:45,680 All right. Another thing that was 5048 03:14:45,680 --> 03:14:47,359 brought up to me by some residents on 5049 03:14:47,359 --> 03:14:50,000 that east side of Canest, people I don't 5050 03:14:50,000 --> 03:14:53,200 know, was that this intersection was 5051 03:14:53,200 --> 03:14:54,880 constructed when Alpine had a much 5052 03:14:54,880 --> 03:14:58,239 smaller population. And over the years, 5053 03:14:58,239 --> 03:15:01,439 Sierra Avenue or Sierra was developed 5054 03:15:01,439 --> 03:15:04,640 when my comm when my subdivision was 5055 03:15:04,640 --> 03:15:06,880 created and Feeasant Ridge was 5056 03:15:06,880 --> 03:15:09,279 developed. And so now we have four 5057 03:15:09,279 --> 03:15:11,040 three-way intersections from the curve 5058 03:15:11,040 --> 03:15:14,239 to the clust of the hill within 0.15 5059 03:15:14,239 --> 03:15:16,319 mile of each other. So that's just not a 5060 03:15:16,319 --> 03:15:18,319 good design. That's especially when you 5061 03:15:18,319 --> 03:15:20,960 have the line of sight challenges with 5062 03:15:20,960 --> 03:15:23,600 the curve and the hill crest with those 5063 03:15:23,600 --> 03:15:26,000 intersection in close proximity. Maybe 5064 03:15:26,000 --> 03:15:27,520 it wasn't intended to be that way, but 5065 03:15:27,520 --> 03:15:30,720 with the growth, um, it has led to that 5066 03:15:30,720 --> 03:15:32,239 being a challenging intersection. And 5067 03:15:32,239 --> 03:15:34,239 that's why these 40 residents that live 5068 03:15:34,239 --> 03:15:36,960 on the other side, that's was their main 5069 03:15:36,960 --> 03:15:38,640 concern. 5070 03:15:38,640 --> 03:15:40,319 Then I will also note that the master 5071 03:15:40,319 --> 03:15:43,840 plan has a connector road from High 5072 03:15:43,840 --> 03:15:47,120 Bench to SR92 5073 03:15:47,120 --> 03:15:50,399 that was planned to be another way to 5074 03:15:50,399 --> 03:15:51,920 get in and out of Alpine that would have 5075 03:15:51,920 --> 03:15:54,239 relieved the congestion the the traffic 5076 03:15:54,239 --> 03:15:56,479 on Ridge and would have relieved the 5077 03:15:56,479 --> 03:15:58,560 some of the congestion on Ridge Healey 5078 03:15:58,560 --> 03:16:01,520 and Canyon Crest. But a prior city 5079 03:16:01,520 --> 03:16:05,920 council made a decision um based on the 5080 03:16:05,920 --> 03:16:07,760 neighbors. They don't want traffic to go 5081 03:16:07,760 --> 03:16:08,880 through their neighborhood. I understand 5082 03:16:08,880 --> 03:16:10,479 that. I'm sure we're going to get the 5083 03:16:10,479 --> 03:16:10,880 same. 5084 03:16:10,880 --> 03:16:12,720 >> No, city council didn't ever decide on 5085 03:16:12,720 --> 03:16:13,040 that. 5086 03:16:13,040 --> 03:16:13,680 >> No, they didn't. 5087 03:16:13,680 --> 03:16:15,439 >> No, it was the developer pulled out. 5088 03:16:15,439 --> 03:16:15,840 >> Okay. 5089 03:16:15,840 --> 03:16:17,680 >> Well, Highland denied it. 5090 03:16:17,680 --> 03:16:19,120 >> Oh, Highland City Council denied it 5091 03:16:19,120 --> 03:16:20,000 >> with a lot of 5092 03:16:20,000 --> 03:16:22,399 >> with input from Well, anyway, 5093 03:16:22,399 --> 03:16:22,960 >> all of us. 5094 03:16:22,960 --> 03:16:24,640 >> It hasn't gone through. Yes. And what 5095 03:16:24,640 --> 03:16:27,920 the residents are saying is it puts it 5096 03:16:27,920 --> 03:16:30,160 keeps the burden on Ridge and Canyon 5097 03:16:30,160 --> 03:16:32,880 Crest. And there's been more 5098 03:16:32,880 --> 03:16:35,359 development. We just we know there's 5099 03:16:35,359 --> 03:16:37,520 another development. It's a Fitz Fitz 5100 03:16:37,520 --> 03:16:39,200 Fitzgerald 5101 03:16:39,200 --> 03:16:41,200 um subdivision that's going in that 5102 03:16:41,200 --> 03:16:42,479 they're starting to work on that. That's 5103 03:16:42,479 --> 03:16:44,319 going to be another 20 homes. The 5104 03:16:44,319 --> 03:16:45,680 Patterson one just north of that. 5105 03:16:45,680 --> 03:16:47,920 Another 20 homes. So just as I don't 5106 03:16:47,920 --> 03:16:49,760 remember who said it that it's just 5107 03:16:49,760 --> 03:16:51,359 going to keep getting more and more 5108 03:16:51,359 --> 03:16:58,160 traffic at Ridge. So, um, anyway, that connector road never went through. 5109 03:16:58,160 --> 03:17:00,000 I don't know who decided. So, thanks for 5110 03:17:00,000 --> 03:17:01,439 letting me know. It was not the city 5111 03:17:01,439 --> 03:17:03,760 council. So, this never get to us. Is 5112 03:17:03,760 --> 03:17:05,760 that why? Because Highland denied it. 5113 03:17:05,760 --> 03:17:07,439 >> Well, do you want me to tell them or do 5114 03:17:07,439 --> 03:17:08,160 you want to tell them? 5115 03:17:08,160 --> 03:17:10,560 >> No, it's okay. I mean, we can move on, 5116 03:17:10,560 --> 03:17:13,040 but no, Alpine City Council did not deny 5117 03:17:13,040 --> 03:17:15,331 it or close that off. That was not 5118 03:17:15,331 --> 03:17:16,319 [clears throat] us. 5119 03:17:16,319 --> 03:17:18,000 >> It was mainly when the discussion was 5120 03:17:18,000 --> 03:17:21,359 going on, the developer pulled out. 5121 03:17:21,359 --> 03:17:24,319 So Chrissy has emphasized ranch road 5122 03:17:24,319 --> 03:17:27,359 connection which I I totally support for 5123 03:17:27,359 --> 03:17:31,200 the same reasons why I would support 5124 03:17:31,200 --> 03:17:33,760 another road out on the on the east side 5125 03:17:33,760 --> 03:17:36,160 because it reduces the congestion. So 5126 03:17:36,160 --> 03:17:38,399 Chrissy, you mentioned that connector 5127 03:17:38,399 --> 03:17:40,000 would reduce the impact on the 5128 03:17:40,000 --> 03:17:42,399 roundabout, Main Street and West Canyon 5129 03:17:42,399 --> 03:17:45,439 Crust. Well, we never got that secondary 5130 03:17:45,439 --> 03:17:47,600 road on the east side. So all that is 5131 03:17:47,600 --> 03:17:48,960 still coming. So that's just a 5132 03:17:48,960 --> 03:17:50,560 consideration for you to think about. 5133 03:17:50,560 --> 03:17:51,120 >> That's true. 5134 03:17:51,120 --> 03:17:54,080 >> The same rationale for the ranch I think 5135 03:17:54,080 --> 03:17:57,439 applies to Ridge. Um and then all 5136 03:17:57,439 --> 03:17:58,720 there's all that new development coming 5137 03:17:58,720 --> 03:18:02,640 up. All right. Um this as I mentioned a 5138 03:18:02,640 --> 03:18:04,479 couple things. This the safety issues 5139 03:18:04,479 --> 03:18:06,319 are that that are unique to this 5140 03:18:06,319 --> 03:18:07,920 intersection that don't apply to most 5141 03:18:07,920 --> 03:18:10,560 places. We had one resident talk about 5142 03:18:10,560 --> 03:18:12,800 the west side. Well, this has 5143 03:18:12,800 --> 03:18:14,399 significant sight distance issues that 5144 03:18:14,399 --> 03:18:16,000 all these engineers have recognized with 5145 03:18:16,000 --> 03:18:18,479 the curb and the hillrest. I talked 5146 03:18:18,479 --> 03:18:19,760 about the addition of Sierra and 5147 03:18:19,760 --> 03:18:21,600 Feeasant Ridge in the close proximity of 5148 03:18:21,600 --> 03:18:24,720 those intersections. Uh the police have 5149 03:18:24,720 --> 03:18:26,880 informed us that they really can't 5150 03:18:26,880 --> 03:18:28,720 enforce speeding laws along this stretch 5151 03:18:28,720 --> 03:18:30,640 because of the topography and because 5152 03:18:30,640 --> 03:18:33,680 there's no safe place to park. There's 5153 03:18:33,680 --> 03:18:35,520 uh we have the new path and the park 5154 03:18:35,520 --> 03:18:37,760 improvements coming that will almost 5155 03:18:37,760 --> 03:18:40,960 certainly bring more pedestrians, multim 5156 03:18:40,960 --> 03:18:46,239 modal uh users to this area. And um 5157 03:18:46,239 --> 03:18:48,560 the MAG criteria that Chrissy cited two 5158 03:18:48,560 --> 03:18:50,880 weeks ago that is more for different 5159 03:18:50,880 --> 03:18:53,600 types of projects includes nothing about 5160 03:18:53,600 --> 03:18:56,720 safety. So again, I hope the MAG 5161 03:18:56,720 --> 03:18:59,279 grant comes through. Um, if it doesn't 5162 03:18:59,279 --> 03:19:00,399 come through this time, I don't think 5163 03:19:00,399 --> 03:19:01,840 it's going to come through in the future 5164 03:19:01,840 --> 03:19:05,040 because the the other factors of we're 5165 03:19:05,040 --> 03:19:07,760 already doing the other project and the 5166 03:19:07,760 --> 03:19:09,920 path will already be there are not 5167 03:19:09,920 --> 03:19:11,200 additional factors that they would 5168 03:19:11,200 --> 03:19:12,800 consider. So, if it's if they don't 5169 03:19:12,800 --> 03:19:14,000 approve it this time, I highly doubt 5170 03:19:14,000 --> 03:19:15,920 they would approve it in the future. And 5171 03:19:15,920 --> 03:19:17,840 it's a residential zone with a 35 mile 5172 03:19:17,840 --> 03:19:19,920 speed limit, one of the few areas in 5173 03:19:19,920 --> 03:19:23,520 Alpine that has a speed limit over 25. 5174 03:19:23,520 --> 03:19:26,319 Um the planning commission uh reviewed 5175 03:19:26,319 --> 03:19:28,080 this as part of the small area plan and 5176 03:19:28,080 --> 03:19:30,960 they voted unanimously to prioritize the 5177 03:19:30,960 --> 03:19:33,520 roundabout at Ridge Drive and Kennyrest. 5178 03:19:33,520 --> 03:19:35,600 They held two public public hearings and 5179 03:19:35,600 --> 03:19:38,000 residents came in and voiced support for 5180 03:19:38,000 --> 03:19:39,279 the roundabout. I don't know if anyone 5181 03:19:39,279 --> 03:19:43,279 voted or expressed uh concerns. I don't 5182 03:19:43,279 --> 03:19:46,560 remember any. 5183 03:19:46,560 --> 03:19:47,840 And there was all kinds of public 5184 03:19:47,840 --> 03:19:49,920 discussion during the small area plan 5185 03:19:49,920 --> 03:19:52,399 public meetings. 5186 03:19:52,399 --> 03:19:54,399 I we already talked about the timing. It 5187 03:19:54,399 --> 03:19:55,760 makes sense to do it now so we're not 5188 03:19:55,760 --> 03:19:57,760 tearing up the road twice. Shane has 5189 03:19:57,760 --> 03:20:00,080 said that repeatedly that we don't want 5190 03:20:00,080 --> 03:20:01,359 to do this twice. If we are going to do 5191 03:20:01,359 --> 03:20:04,080 the roundabout, 2027 is the time to do 5192 03:20:04,080 --> 03:20:05,760 it. And we've talked a lot about the 5193 03:20:05,760 --> 03:20:09,520 funding already. Um the difference 5194 03:20:09,520 --> 03:20:12,800 split between two fiscal years, the 5195 03:20:12,800 --> 03:20:15,439 likely um disposition of the 100 South 5196 03:20:15,439 --> 03:20:18,399 property impact fees and split between 5197 03:20:18,399 --> 03:20:20,720 other funds. All right, that's it on the 5198 03:20:20,720 --> 03:20:23,840 roundabout. Um, as far as my priorities, 5199 03:20:23,840 --> 03:20:28,080 I echo what Jessica said and Sarah that 5200 03:20:28,080 --> 03:20:30,239 the first priority is safety and my 5201 03:20:30,239 --> 03:20:32,319 first priority is the roundabout. My 5202 03:20:32,319 --> 03:20:35,760 second would be installation of 5203 03:20:35,760 --> 03:20:37,920 additional sidewalks in the locations 5204 03:20:37,920 --> 03:20:41,520 where safety is the primary factor. Um, 5205 03:20:41,520 --> 03:20:44,000 and then after that, any additional 5206 03:20:44,000 --> 03:20:46,960 traffic calming, traffic safety measures 5207 03:20:46,960 --> 03:20:49,279 like better mark crosswalks and some 5208 03:20:49,279 --> 03:20:51,439 strategic locations um that we've talked 5209 03:20:51,439 --> 03:20:54,000 about in the past. 5210 03:20:54,000 --> 03:20:56,160 And then I'll I mentioned this before, 5211 03:20:56,160 --> 03:20:59,040 but as far as the parks go, um I think 5212 03:20:59,040 --> 03:21:01,040 Peterson Park should be a priority based 5213 03:21:01,040 --> 03:21:04,239 on the timing after we get this parks 5214 03:21:04,239 --> 03:21:07,830 plan. 5215 03:21:07,840 --> 03:21:10,080 » All right, that's all. 5216 03:21:10,080 --> 03:21:10,960 Okay. Is that it? 5217 03:21:10,960 --> 03:21:14,160 >> I do have a question. Um, if we had to 5218 03:21:14,160 --> 03:21:17,600 bond for the roundabout, would it 5219 03:21:17,600 --> 03:21:20,319 important enough to you to bond? 5220 03:21:20,319 --> 03:21:20,640 >> Both. 5221 03:21:20,640 --> 03:21:21,760 >> So, I understand 5222 03:21:21,760 --> 03:21:22,479 >> both. 5223 03:21:22,479 --> 03:21:23,120 >> Who you asking? 5224 03:21:23,120 --> 03:21:24,080 >> Because I know you have an issue with 5225 03:21:24,080 --> 03:21:25,520 bonds and I know you really want the 5226 03:21:25,520 --> 03:21:26,880 roundabout, but is it important enough 5227 03:21:26,880 --> 03:21:29,359 for you to go into debt? Just curious. 5228 03:21:29,359 --> 03:21:31,439 >> Yeah. So, I I I don't know if we need to 5229 03:21:31,439 --> 03:21:34,080 because of the likely disposition of 5230 03:21:34,080 --> 03:21:36,399 that South property. I've always been 5231 03:21:36,399 --> 03:21:38,960 opposed to debt in my personal life, but 5232 03:21:38,960 --> 03:21:40,479 it wasn't until I started serving on 5233 03:21:40,479 --> 03:21:42,800 city council and I was educated by our 5234 03:21:42,800 --> 03:21:44,319 who's our finance guy? 5235 03:21:44,319 --> 03:21:45,359 >> Uh Dave Sanderson. 5236 03:21:45,359 --> 03:21:48,000 >> Dave Sanderson. Um about why sometimes 5237 03:21:48,000 --> 03:21:49,760 bonding is appropriate and that's to 5238 03:21:49,760 --> 03:21:52,640 spread out the costs over 5239 03:21:52,640 --> 03:21:54,239 multiple residents, not just the that 5240 03:21:54,239 --> 03:21:55,760 the immediate residents who are here now 5241 03:21:55,760 --> 03:21:58,560 are bearing that burden. So I my 5242 03:21:58,560 --> 03:22:01,040 preference would be to split it between 5243 03:22:01,040 --> 03:22:04,319 two fiscal years. um use some of those 5244 03:22:04,319 --> 03:22:07,840 other funds Shane talked about and use 5245 03:22:07,840 --> 03:22:09,439 the disposition of the Wonder South 5246 03:22:09,439 --> 03:22:11,200 property toward it, 5247 03:22:11,200 --> 03:22:12,640 >> I guess. Okay, go ahead. 5248 03:22:12,640 --> 03:22:14,000 >> So, it's very similar. It's it's coming 5249 03:22:14,000 --> 03:22:16,000 out of one 5250 03:22:16,000 --> 03:22:18,239 fund or another. See, Brent learned from 5251 03:22:18,239 --> 03:22:20,479 government, but he didn't learn the 5252 03:22:20,479 --> 03:22:22,880 number one lesson. Do not follow the 5253 03:22:22,880 --> 03:22:26,239 government debt practices. [laughter] 5254 03:22:26,239 --> 03:22:31,040 So, no, I'm not I'm against debt, not 5255 03:22:31,040 --> 03:22:33,600 bonding, but bonding brings debt. And 5256 03:22:33,600 --> 03:22:35,439 so, if someone were to say, "We got to 5257 03:22:35,439 --> 03:22:37,120 bond for this," I would be like, 5258 03:22:37,120 --> 03:22:39,840 "There's a lot cheaper ways to do this." 5259 03:22:39,840 --> 03:22:42,800 So, I would recommend we do smaller 5260 03:22:42,800 --> 03:22:45,439 things first that still alleviate 5261 03:22:45,439 --> 03:22:47,279 traffic if it meant we had to go into 5262 03:22:47,279 --> 03:22:48,479 debt because I don't want to cause 5263 03:22:48,479 --> 03:22:52,000 residents, including you and myself, 5264 03:22:52,000 --> 03:22:55,680 pain and debt for 25 years for this when 5265 03:22:55,680 --> 03:22:58,399 we can do a lot of other there's a lot 5266 03:22:58,399 --> 03:23:02,000 of levers for for um for traffic 5267 03:23:02,000 --> 03:23:04,399 calming, raised crosswalks, speed humps, 5268 03:23:04,399 --> 03:23:08,239 speed uh reduction of signs, uh uh 5269 03:23:08,239 --> 03:23:10,160 police enforcement, we can give them 5270 03:23:10,160 --> 03:23:11,840 more money and more people to do 5271 03:23:11,840 --> 03:23:14,239 enforcement. So, so I would I would try 5272 03:23:14,239 --> 03:23:15,680 for those cheaper options, get as much 5273 03:23:15,680 --> 03:23:18,319 bang as we can. And I I would search for 5274 03:23:18,319 --> 03:23:19,920 other ways to fund it without a bond. 5275 03:23:19,920 --> 03:23:21,680 >> I'm just saying if we could preserve 5276 03:23:21,680 --> 03:23:23,520 what we've accumulated in here because 5277 03:23:23,520 --> 03:23:26,560 it is for a rainy day or for unexpected 5278 03:23:26,560 --> 03:23:29,359 things. This is a planned spend. So 5279 03:23:29,359 --> 03:23:31,840 would we consider funding some at least 5280 03:23:31,840 --> 03:23:34,160 half of it with some instead of just 5281 03:23:34,160 --> 03:23:36,560 bonding the fire station, would we bond 5282 03:23:36,560 --> 03:23:37,840 another million dollars for the 5283 03:23:37,840 --> 03:23:39,439 roundabout and leave our fund balance 5284 03:23:39,439 --> 03:23:42,399 intact because that is really flexible 5285 03:23:42,399 --> 03:23:45,040 like and for un unforeseen things that 5286 03:23:45,040 --> 03:23:46,640 are coming down the road like purchase 5287 03:23:46,640 --> 03:23:49,439 of property. I'm just asking because I I 5288 03:23:49,439 --> 03:23:50,720 don't have a problem with a roundabout 5289 03:23:50,720 --> 03:23:52,399 if it were paid for by MAG. All of us 5290 03:23:52,399 --> 03:23:54,479 would be like this is easy, right? But 5291 03:23:54,479 --> 03:23:56,399 would we would we consider I would just 5292 03:23:56,399 --> 03:23:57,680 want to preserve our fund balance 5293 03:23:57,680 --> 03:24:00,479 because it took so long to accumulate 5294 03:24:00,479 --> 03:24:00,960 it. 5295 03:24:00,960 --> 03:24:03,120 >> I do have to say that as a city we've 5296 03:24:03,120 --> 03:24:04,960 had a lot of freedom with purchasing 5297 03:24:04,960 --> 03:24:07,920 property. Um, you know, one is on First 5298 03:24:07,920 --> 03:24:09,920 South, another, you know, we debated 5299 03:24:09,920 --> 03:24:12,800 something for furthering. Um, you know, 5300 03:24:12,800 --> 03:24:14,800 we were able to get the public works or 5301 03:24:14,800 --> 03:24:16,560 an additional public works building and 5302 03:24:16,560 --> 03:24:18,720 we're also debating maybe, you know, 5303 03:24:18,720 --> 03:24:21,840 future cemetery. But I do feel like 5304 03:24:21,840 --> 03:24:24,479 there are a couple of other properties 5305 03:24:24,479 --> 03:24:27,439 that um 5306 03:24:27,439 --> 03:24:30,160 we I believe as a council would be 5307 03:24:30,160 --> 03:24:33,760 interested in, but 5308 03:24:33,760 --> 03:24:38,239 the reality might not be as um I'm with 5309 03:24:38,239 --> 03:24:40,000 Chrissy. I'd rather be in a position 5310 03:24:40,000 --> 03:24:43,120 where we can act on opportunities. 5311 03:24:43,120 --> 03:24:45,359 >> I'm just we could both have our way. You 5312 03:24:45,359 --> 03:24:47,760 could have your your roundabout and we 5313 03:24:47,760 --> 03:24:49,520 could preserve fund balance, which to me 5314 03:24:49,520 --> 03:24:51,840 is important to our financial stability. 5315 03:24:51,840 --> 03:24:53,279 We could and we could use Dave 5316 03:24:53,279 --> 03:24:55,359 Sanderson's method of the people that 5317 03:24:55,359 --> 03:24:56,880 will be using the roundabout over the 5318 03:24:56,880 --> 03:24:59,200 next 20 years are helping pay for it. 5319 03:24:59,200 --> 03:25:00,720 I'm just we're going to go through a 5320 03:25:00,720 --> 03:25:02,319 bond for the fire station. What if we 5321 03:25:02,319 --> 03:25:05,120 tacked on another million as an option 5322 03:25:05,120 --> 03:25:07,760 for the roundabout? I would I would I 5323 03:25:07,760 --> 03:25:10,960 would support that if all the priorities 5324 03:25:10,960 --> 03:25:12,800 this is our top priority and we found a 5325 03:25:12,800 --> 03:25:14,640 way to fund it in a different way. I 5326 03:25:14,640 --> 03:25:16,640 would be on board. I'm just stating 5327 03:25:16,640 --> 03:25:17,200 that. 5328 03:25:17,200 --> 03:25:18,960 >> Yeah, those are good points. The fund 5329 03:25:18,960 --> 03:25:20,560 balance fluctuates. We saw that with the 5330 03:25:20,560 --> 03:25:22,239 Lone Peak Public Safety District. It 5331 03:25:22,239 --> 03:25:24,479 just kind of was higher than they 5332 03:25:24,479 --> 03:25:26,800 thought they needed. So, they we made 5333 03:25:26,800 --> 03:25:30,160 the choice as a board to utilize some of 5334 03:25:30,160 --> 03:25:31,920 that fund balance to fund currenty year 5335 03:25:31,920 --> 03:25:34,720 projects. So again, it's just how much 5336 03:25:34,720 --> 03:25:39,040 of a fund balance is ideal. That's up for discussion. 5337 03:25:39,040 --> 03:25:40,720 >> That's something we haven't determined 5338 03:25:40,720 --> 03:25:42,560 yet. 5339 03:25:42,560 --> 03:25:44,239 >> It will be something that we discuss. 5340 03:25:44,239 --> 03:25:45,520 Again, I'm just throwing it out there 5341 03:25:45,520 --> 03:25:47,760 because timing of bonding is also we're 5342 03:25:47,760 --> 03:25:49,279 also going down that road at the same 5343 03:25:49,279 --> 03:25:49,680 time. 5344 03:25:49,680 --> 03:25:52,319 >> And Chris, you had some good ideas about 5345 03:25:52,319 --> 03:25:54,880 um about getting some input from the 5346 03:25:54,880 --> 03:25:56,160 finance committee and doing those 5347 03:25:56,160 --> 03:25:58,720 things. I think that's I don't we're too 5348 03:25:58,720 --> 03:26:00,000 late in the process I think for that 5349 03:26:00,000 --> 03:26:02,399 now. But just kind of like the matrix. 5350 03:26:02,399 --> 03:26:04,160 It didn't really work. We're kind of 5351 03:26:04,160 --> 03:26:05,600 late in the process. 5352 03:26:05,600 --> 03:26:07,520 >> Maybe we talk about trying to figure out 5353 03:26:07,520 --> 03:26:09,760 a better system for the next fiscal 5354 03:26:09,760 --> 03:26:11,760 year. But I just don't think we're I 5355 03:26:11,760 --> 03:26:13,120 think we're too far in the process to 5356 03:26:13,120 --> 03:26:14,720 change the system. Now that's kind of 5357 03:26:14,720 --> 03:26:16,479 why this was put on the agenda. 5358 03:26:16,479 --> 03:26:18,880 >> Still got since you know a little more 5359 03:26:18,880 --> 03:26:21,200 about bonding, if this ideal property 5360 03:26:21,200 --> 03:26:24,080 does come up, can we bond to purchase 5361 03:26:24,080 --> 03:26:26,479 the property at that time? 5362 03:26:26,479 --> 03:26:29,040 I don't the the b the bonding process in 5363 03:26:29,040 --> 03:26:31,600 chain unless you understand it takes a 5364 03:26:31,600 --> 03:26:32,880 little bit longer. There's some due 5365 03:26:32,880 --> 03:26:35,840 diligence. You can't act quickly. Like 5366 03:26:35,840 --> 03:26:37,327 the timeline to buy property is 5367 03:26:37,327 --> 03:26:38,319 [clears throat] usually have a 30-day 5368 03:26:38,319 --> 03:26:40,560 window to get your financing in order. 5369 03:26:40,560 --> 03:26:42,960 That's not the window to bond to bond. 5370 03:26:42,960 --> 03:26:44,800 >> But you could use the bond fund balance 5371 03:26:44,800 --> 03:26:46,960 and then replenish with a bond by 5372 03:26:46,960 --> 03:26:48,239 funding a different project like 5373 03:26:48,239 --> 03:26:50,080 different roads later. So, it's not like 5374 03:26:50,080 --> 03:26:52,319 it's you can't make a decision to bond 5375 03:26:52,319 --> 03:26:53,439 later 5376 03:26:53,439 --> 03:26:57,279 >> to not expend general funds on 5377 03:26:57,279 --> 03:27:01,910 different projects that come up. 5378 03:27:01,920 --> 03:27:05,359 » I think that we have a direction. Let's 5379 03:27:05,359 --> 03:27:09,040 move forward. Um, 5380 03:27:09,040 --> 03:27:12,239 >> let's go um on to 5381 03:27:12,239 --> 03:27:14,479 >> We need to make a motion. 5382 03:27:14,479 --> 03:27:15,680 >> Is there a motion required? 5383 03:27:15,680 --> 03:27:17,920 >> Yep. I'll move to include the following 5384 03:27:17,920 --> 03:27:19,359 projects as priorities in the fiscal 5385 03:27:19,359 --> 03:27:21,600 year 2027 budget and instruct staff to 5386 03:27:21,600 --> 03:27:24,560 determine how to fund them based on 5387 03:27:24,560 --> 03:27:26,640 council input. The roundabout at Rich 5388 03:27:26,640 --> 03:27:29,920 and Canyon Crust, sidewalks, sidewalk 5389 03:27:29,920 --> 03:27:33,439 improvements that relate to safety and 5390 03:27:33,439 --> 03:27:36,000 some kind of combination of traffic 5391 03:27:36,000 --> 03:27:39,279 calming that um various council members 5392 03:27:39,279 --> 03:27:41,200 have proposed 5393 03:27:41,200 --> 03:27:43,920 up to a certain amount maybe to be 5394 03:27:43,920 --> 03:27:46,160 decided. We want to decide that now. 5395 03:27:46,160 --> 03:27:48,800 >> So, are you talking about with the um 5396 03:27:48,800 --> 03:27:50,720 traffic calming? I I guess I'm 5397 03:27:50,720 --> 03:27:54,399 envisioning um like the um bumpouts and 5398 03:27:54,399 --> 03:27:56,080 whatnot along West Canyon 5399 03:27:56,080 --> 03:27:59,600 >> and some and some and some uh potential 5400 03:27:59,600 --> 03:28:02,399 crosswalk improvements that Andrew has 5401 03:28:02,399 --> 03:28:03,439 >> spoken with residents. 5402 03:28:03,439 --> 03:28:05,600 >> Okay. Right. But to for me, as far as 5403 03:28:05,600 --> 03:28:07,200 the traffic calming, I would really love 5404 03:28:07,200 --> 03:28:09,120 to see it starting on West Canyon Crest 5405 03:28:09,120 --> 03:28:10,399 because that's what's going to be 5406 03:28:10,399 --> 03:28:12,080 affecting most of our 5407 03:28:12,080 --> 03:28:14,239 >> vulnerable population. Now, if there's 5408 03:28:14,239 --> 03:28:16,640 another project suggested, you know, 5409 03:28:16,640 --> 03:28:18,560 near Alpine Elementary, I think that can 5410 03:28:18,560 --> 03:28:21,680 be considered, too. But because these um 5411 03:28:21,680 --> 03:28:24,080 efforts are a 5412 03:28:24,080 --> 03:28:28,319 um safety concern and it's um in an 5413 03:28:28,319 --> 03:28:30,319 effort to help with safety or make it 5414 03:28:30,319 --> 03:28:33,279 more safe that I feel like that priority 5415 03:28:33,279 --> 03:28:36,800 needs to come to near schools where it's 5416 03:28:36,800 --> 03:28:38,239 going to impact the most number of 5417 03:28:38,239 --> 03:28:38,800 people. 5418 03:28:38,800 --> 03:28:41,040 >> Absolutely. So, how about we cap that at 5419 03:28:41,040 --> 03:28:42,640 50,000 for now and it can always be 5420 03:28:42,640 --> 03:28:44,640 adjusted later, but cap it at 50,000 5421 03:28:44,640 --> 03:28:46,720 with the priority on those locations 5422 03:28:46,720 --> 03:28:49,359 that that we've discussed previously 5423 03:28:49,359 --> 03:28:52,080 that the mayor um re-emphasized. 5424 03:28:52,080 --> 03:28:54,800 >> Okay. Is there a second to the motion? 5425 03:28:54,800 --> 03:28:58,880 >> I have the motion repeated. 5426 03:28:58,880 --> 03:29:00,800 >> You're actually Brent, do you want to re 5427 03:29:00,800 --> 03:29:02,000 Why? Why don't you do it? 5428 03:29:02,000 --> 03:29:04,239 >> I move to include the following projects 5429 03:29:04,239 --> 03:29:06,399 as priorities in the fiscal year 2027 5430 03:29:06,399 --> 03:29:08,080 budget. instruct staff to determine how 5431 03:29:08,080 --> 03:29:11,200 to fund them based on tonight's council 5432 03:29:11,200 --> 03:29:13,439 contributions. One, the roundabout at 5433 03:29:13,439 --> 03:29:16,160 Ridge and Canyon Crest. Two, sidewalks 5434 03:29:16,160 --> 03:29:19,359 improvements that relate to safety. And 5435 03:29:19,359 --> 03:29:21,040 three, 5436 03:29:21,040 --> 03:29:24,479 traffic calming measures with a fund of 5437 03:29:24,479 --> 03:29:28,239 $50,000 up to $50,000 focusing on West 5438 03:29:28,239 --> 03:29:30,399 Canyon Crest where we have the majority 5439 03:29:30,399 --> 03:29:33,760 of our vulnerable population. 5440 03:29:33,760 --> 03:29:40,950 >> Is there a second? 5441 03:29:40,960 --> 03:29:42,319 I'll second. 5442 03:29:42,319 --> 03:29:44,640 >> It's been moved by Councilman um Rumler, 5443 03:29:44,640 --> 03:29:46,880 seconded by Councilwoman Smeuan. 5444 03:29:46,880 --> 03:29:48,880 >> There's no mention of park tax. 5445 03:29:48,880 --> 03:29:49,760 >> Yeah, I was wondering. 5446 03:29:49,760 --> 03:29:51,520 >> So, how do we Okay, I can go through 5447 03:29:51,520 --> 03:29:52,319 more of the list. I have 5448 03:29:52,319 --> 03:29:54,160 >> Would that be a separate motion? 5449 03:29:54,160 --> 03:29:55,760 >> Well, okay. 5450 03:29:55,760 --> 03:29:57,439 >> Can't we amend the current motion to 5451 03:29:57,439 --> 03:29:59,600 include something about the park tax? 5452 03:29:59,600 --> 03:30:02,720 >> Okay, I'll amend. Yeah. Does anyone want 5453 03:30:02,720 --> 03:30:05,120 to You can You have an amendment that 5454 03:30:05,120 --> 03:30:06,479 you would like the wording for? 5455 03:30:06,479 --> 03:30:07,840 >> You could even do a second. 5456 03:30:07,840 --> 03:30:11,120 >> I think she's asking, right? 5457 03:30:11,120 --> 03:30:12,479 >> Okay. 5458 03:30:12,479 --> 03:30:14,000 >> So, Shane said we could do a second 5459 03:30:14,000 --> 03:30:15,359 motion to keep those two issues 5460 03:30:15,359 --> 03:30:16,960 separate. 5461 03:30:16,960 --> 03:30:20,160 >> Well, I mean, how about Oh, well, 5462 03:30:20,160 --> 03:30:21,760 because there's also the Alpine Historic 5463 03:30:21,760 --> 03:30:23,200 Preservation Project. We talked about 5464 03:30:23,200 --> 03:30:25,840 allocating $20,000 initially. 5465 03:30:25,840 --> 03:30:28,560 >> Yeah, Brent, just so are we discussing 5466 03:30:28,560 --> 03:30:30,399 or are we not in discussion? 5467 03:30:30,399 --> 03:30:33,760 >> We need a second. I I believe Jessica 5468 03:30:33,760 --> 03:30:34,640 Oh, sorry. You're right. 5469 03:30:34,640 --> 03:30:36,640 >> But then the mayor recommended us a 5470 03:30:36,640 --> 03:30:38,479 >> So now So we're in discussion right now 5471 03:30:38,479 --> 03:30:40,319 on this motion. Is that correct? 5472 03:30:40,319 --> 03:30:41,840 >> Well, the mayor recommended an 5473 03:30:41,840 --> 03:30:42,560 amendment. 5474 03:30:42,560 --> 03:30:42,960 >> Okay. 5475 03:30:42,960 --> 03:30:48,080 >> So I'll amend it to include um 5476 03:30:48,080 --> 03:30:50,560 how do you want to word it, Chrissy, 5477 03:30:50,560 --> 03:30:52,319 with uh 5478 03:30:52,319 --> 03:30:54,080 >> So you want to include park tax in this 5479 03:30:54,080 --> 03:30:55,920 motion or separate motion? 5480 03:30:55,920 --> 03:30:57,439 >> Sorry. Would you like to include the 5481 03:30:57,439 --> 03:30:58,720 park tax? I think we 5482 03:30:58,720 --> 03:31:00,399 >> we can do a separate motion for park tax 5483 03:31:00,399 --> 03:31:02,560 and the historic old preservation 5484 03:31:02,560 --> 03:31:02,800 project 5485 03:31:02,800 --> 03:31:04,319 >> because they are their own fund and they 5486 03:31:04,319 --> 03:31:05,359 have their own fund balance and 5487 03:31:05,359 --> 03:31:05,680 everything. 5488 03:31:05,680 --> 03:31:07,760 >> Okay. All right. 5489 03:31:07,760 --> 03:31:10,319 >> Does that mean any um items that are not 5490 03:31:10,319 --> 03:31:12,720 in your motion are not funded? Like the 5491 03:31:12,720 --> 03:31:14,080 Carlton shop? 5492 03:31:14,080 --> 03:31:16,239 >> Okay. I will include I will amend my 5493 03:31:16,239 --> 03:31:19,279 motion. Sorry, I had more on this. I I 5494 03:31:19,279 --> 03:31:21,200 will amend my motion to include the 5495 03:31:21,200 --> 03:31:23,520 Carlton shop improvements requested by 5496 03:31:23,520 --> 03:31:25,120 staff. 5497 03:31:25,120 --> 03:31:28,479 The uh Alpine historic preservation 5498 03:31:28,479 --> 03:31:32,640 project funding of an initial amount of 5499 03:31:32,640 --> 03:31:34,319 $20,000 5500 03:31:34,319 --> 03:31:37,120 that will be decided later as far as the 5501 03:31:37,120 --> 03:31:40,080 discretion on which projects are of the 5502 03:31:40,080 --> 03:31:43,120 highest priority. 5503 03:31:43,120 --> 03:31:45,520 Then we'll do the park separate or you 5504 03:31:45,520 --> 03:31:48,399 want to include that in this one. 5505 03:31:48,399 --> 03:31:51,040 >> Uh do you do you accept that amendment? 5506 03:31:51,040 --> 03:31:52,800 >> It was second it 5507 03:31:52,800 --> 03:31:54,319 >> I'm sorry Jessica. Sorry you're not 5508 03:31:54,319 --> 03:31:56,160 here. I keep forgetting Jessica. Yeah, I 5509 03:31:56,160 --> 03:31:57,920 can accept that. 5510 03:31:57,920 --> 03:32:00,000 >> Okay, now it's time for discussion. We 5511 03:32:00,000 --> 03:32:02,960 have a motion and a second. 5512 03:32:02,960 --> 03:32:06,160 I have a question. If if per say like 5513 03:32:06,160 --> 03:32:08,080 the roundabout, you know, we get some 5514 03:32:08,080 --> 03:32:10,560 more information and we realize that 5515 03:32:10,560 --> 03:32:13,359 maybe a different option is better, 5516 03:32:13,359 --> 03:32:15,200 we're not locked into that until that 5517 03:32:15,200 --> 03:32:17,680 project comes up for a vote and then we 5518 03:32:17,680 --> 03:32:20,560 can kind of say, okay, yes, we're going 5519 03:32:20,560 --> 03:32:22,880 to def definitively move forward with 5520 03:32:22,880 --> 03:32:24,720 this. So, if we wanted to start with 5521 03:32:24,720 --> 03:32:28,080 like I don't know just I don't know 5522 03:32:28,080 --> 03:32:31,200 lower hanging fruit per se like maybe we 5523 03:32:31,200 --> 03:32:33,439 start with reducing speed and I'm sorry 5524 03:32:33,439 --> 03:32:36,640 I'm bringing this up right now but um or 5525 03:32:36,640 --> 03:32:38,479 you know some other type of enforcement 5526 03:32:38,479 --> 03:32:41,359 or something like that and then when it 5527 03:32:41,359 --> 03:32:43,520 comes time if we realize okay actually 5528 03:32:43,520 --> 03:32:47,120 we yeah definitely need that then 5529 03:32:47,120 --> 03:32:49,920 >> yeah really any project over 15,000 5530 03:32:49,920 --> 03:32:52,720 comes back to the council for a vote of 5531 03:32:52,720 --> 03:32:55,279 approval to move forward. Um, you know, 5532 03:32:55,279 --> 03:32:57,920 we uh budgeted like a million dollars 5533 03:32:57,920 --> 03:33:01,120 for street improvements. We brought 5534 03:33:01,120 --> 03:33:03,439 $325,000 5535 03:33:03,439 --> 03:33:05,840 uh project of that magnitude back here 5536 03:33:05,840 --> 03:33:08,399 tonight that you voted on previously. 5537 03:33:08,399 --> 03:33:12,399 So, each one will come back and and need 5538 03:33:12,399 --> 03:33:14,319 at least three votes to move forward. 5539 03:33:14,319 --> 03:33:17,279 >> Okay. Not saying I'm opposed. I'm just 5540 03:33:17,279 --> 03:33:18,319 thinking through like 5541 03:33:18,319 --> 03:33:19,760 >> Yeah, there was one last year that that 5542 03:33:19,760 --> 03:33:21,200 was in the budget but ended up being 5543 03:33:21,200 --> 03:33:25,279 declined. It was a fairly costly one. 5544 03:33:25,279 --> 03:33:27,040 >> So, if I understand correctly, we're 5545 03:33:27,040 --> 03:33:29,760 just right now the motion is allocating 5546 03:33:29,760 --> 03:33:31,520 prioritizing and allocating certain 5547 03:33:31,520 --> 03:33:34,319 amounts to different buckets, so to 5548 03:33:34,319 --> 03:33:34,800 speak, 5549 03:33:34,800 --> 03:33:37,040 >> staff to do more research on into the 5550 03:33:37,040 --> 03:33:37,520 funding. 5551 03:33:37,520 --> 03:33:39,520 >> Okay. Okay. 5552 03:33:39,520 --> 03:33:42,399 >> That also include um modeling it to 5553 03:33:42,399 --> 03:33:45,520 where it would cover two fiscal years. 5554 03:33:45,520 --> 03:33:47,200 >> Yes, that's the way it's been proposed 5555 03:33:47,200 --> 03:33:50,000 by Shane in the details. 5556 03:33:50,000 --> 03:33:51,600 >> Okay. questions here if you're not 5557 03:33:51,600 --> 03:33:52,160 finished. 5558 03:33:52,160 --> 03:33:53,279 >> Oh, no. Go ahead. 5559 03:33:53,279 --> 03:33:56,160 >> So, does this remove all of the does his 5560 03:33:56,160 --> 03:33:58,080 does Brent's motion or is your intention 5561 03:33:58,080 --> 03:33:59,520 to remove all of the ones you didn't 5562 03:33:59,520 --> 03:34:00,640 mention? 5563 03:34:00,640 --> 03:34:02,880 >> Um, so I think the other ones are all 5564 03:34:02,880 --> 03:34:06,160 under there. The they either were let's 5565 03:34:06,160 --> 03:34:08,000 postpone it like the tennis courts or 5566 03:34:08,000 --> 03:34:10,239 let's see if we can get grants or the 5567 03:34:10,239 --> 03:34:11,840 parks were based on the park and then 5568 03:34:11,840 --> 03:34:13,200 the lower priced ones were 5569 03:34:13,200 --> 03:34:13,920 >> a few other ones. 5570 03:34:13,920 --> 03:34:15,760 >> Yeah, the other ones were below the 5571 03:34:15,760 --> 03:34:17,279 threshold. So that's I mean I can 5572 03:34:17,279 --> 03:34:18,960 include them, but they were below the 5573 03:34:18,960 --> 03:34:19,760 15,000 threshold. 5574 03:34:19,760 --> 03:34:20,880 >> Well, I don't know if your intent is to 5575 03:34:20,880 --> 03:34:22,640 not include them. I would I'm just 5576 03:34:22,640 --> 03:34:23,840 telling you now if you would accept an 5577 03:34:23,840 --> 03:34:25,680 amendment. I'm not making one, but I 5578 03:34:25,680 --> 03:34:27,760 would love to include the highway 5579 03:34:27,760 --> 03:34:34,000 easement, the fire prevention. I just as a heads up since we're 5580 03:34:34,000 --> 03:34:35,439 discussing, I just looked through the 5581 03:34:35,439 --> 03:34:38,960 actual fire um prevention budget 5582 03:34:38,960 --> 03:34:42,319 proposal and it does not go over private 5583 03:34:42,319 --> 03:34:43,920 property. 5584 03:34:43,920 --> 03:34:47,439 It it's all about education. It's using 5585 03:34:47,439 --> 03:34:51,040 uh the fire department. It's using um 5586 03:34:51,040 --> 03:34:54,800 the city staff Landon. It even uses the 5587 03:34:54,800 --> 03:34:57,760 education about like how we train 5588 03:34:57,760 --> 03:35:01,600 people. Um the two examples that were 5589 03:35:01,600 --> 03:35:03,600 done. Yes. One is on private property, 5590 03:35:03,600 --> 03:35:06,319 but the other is on city property. I 5591 03:35:06,319 --> 03:35:07,760 don't I just I think you should 5592 03:35:07,760 --> 03:35:10,160 >> I think it's I think that the way um 5593 03:35:10,160 --> 03:35:13,040 Brent has stated it I'm interpreting it 5594 03:35:13,040 --> 03:35:15,600 to be that these are the our priorities. 5595 03:35:15,600 --> 03:35:18,720 We can't we have enough money to do 5596 03:35:18,720 --> 03:35:20,239 anything we want but we can't do 5597 03:35:20,239 --> 03:35:22,080 everything. So some things are going to 5598 03:35:22,080 --> 03:35:23,040 be left off, 5599 03:35:23,040 --> 03:35:25,120 >> but they're so small. They're not like 5600 03:35:25,120 --> 03:35:27,840 >> Well, we time is also a resource, not 5601 03:35:27,840 --> 03:35:28,560 just money. 5602 03:35:28,560 --> 03:35:30,319 >> And we do have next year, too. But I 5603 03:35:30,319 --> 03:35:31,840 mean, you are, you know, you're looking 5604 03:35:31,840 --> 03:35:34,239 at resources. Um, but I mean, that's 5605 03:35:34,239 --> 03:35:35,920 something that, you know, conversations 5606 03:35:35,920 --> 03:35:37,200 can be had, 5607 03:35:37,200 --> 03:35:38,880 >> but let's work on these big things 5608 03:35:38,880 --> 03:35:40,319 first. That's the purpose of this 5609 03:35:40,319 --> 03:35:43,120 meeting is to work on the big projects, 5610 03:35:43,120 --> 03:35:45,279 what you want staff to move forward with 5611 03:35:45,279 --> 03:35:49,120 now. And so I think we go with this with 5612 03:35:49,120 --> 03:35:51,200 your motion. 5613 03:35:51,200 --> 03:35:52,160 >> Well, wait, hold on. Where 5614 03:35:52,160 --> 03:35:54,080 >> I'm sorry. I was out. Where exactly were 5615 03:35:54,080 --> 03:35:55,359 we with your motion? Did 5616 03:35:55,359 --> 03:35:57,200 >> we have it moved and seconded and he's 5617 03:35:57,200 --> 03:35:59,359 listed four specific things? 5618 03:35:59,359 --> 03:36:01,359 >> Okay. So, is there anything else other 5619 03:36:01,359 --> 03:36:03,920 than that? Is there the the discussion 5620 03:36:03,920 --> 03:36:04,720 now is 5621 03:36:04,720 --> 03:36:05,439 >> on the motion. 5622 03:36:05,439 --> 03:36:07,520 >> Does anybody Yes. On the motion whether 5623 03:36:07,520 --> 03:36:09,439 you want it amended 5624 03:36:09,439 --> 03:36:11,920 >> or if you need clarification. Other than 5625 03:36:11,920 --> 03:36:14,880 that, if there's no questions um 5626 03:36:14,880 --> 03:36:16,800 directed to that, we will move forward. 5627 03:36:16,800 --> 03:36:17,520 >> That's what we're doing. 5628 03:36:17,520 --> 03:36:19,600 >> So, are you accepting his amendment? 5629 03:36:19,600 --> 03:36:20,880 >> I didn't make an amendment. I just asked 5630 03:36:20,880 --> 03:36:22,800 for clarification and he explained it. 5631 03:36:22,800 --> 03:36:23,920 So, I guess I would propose 5632 03:36:23,920 --> 03:36:25,359 >> about whether the the things that were 5633 03:36:25,359 --> 03:36:28,319 in the four items are now removed and I 5634 03:36:28,319 --> 03:36:29,520 think we're in consensus. 5635 03:36:29,520 --> 03:36:31,200 >> I would just propose an amendment. You 5636 03:36:31,200 --> 03:36:33,120 don't have to accept it, but you can to 5637 03:36:33,120 --> 03:36:34,560 also include the 5638 03:36:34,560 --> 03:36:35,600 >> five. Yeah. 5639 03:36:35,600 --> 03:36:37,680 >> Alpine highway easement. 5640 03:36:37,680 --> 03:36:39,120 >> Oh, five. Sorry. 5641 03:36:39,120 --> 03:36:42,239 >> Raccoon plan. 5642 03:36:42,239 --> 03:36:47,120 um and the fire prevention projects as 5643 03:36:47,120 --> 03:36:49,520 well as the deer crest circle prevention 5644 03:36:49,520 --> 03:36:51,120 signs. 5645 03:36:51,120 --> 03:36:53,680 >> So, don't worry about the sign that that 5646 03:36:53,680 --> 03:36:54,960 can be absorbed. 5647 03:36:54,960 --> 03:36:56,080 >> So, Brent, 5648 03:36:56,080 --> 03:36:59,040 >> do you accept that amendment? 5649 03:36:59,040 --> 03:37:02,239 >> Yes. I I still emphasize that the fire 5650 03:37:02,239 --> 03:37:03,680 prevention should focus on public 5651 03:37:03,680 --> 03:37:04,239 property though 5652 03:37:04,239 --> 03:37:08,080 >> and I'm willing to make sure it does. 5653 03:37:08,080 --> 03:37:10,960 >> Okay. Yes. 5654 03:37:10,960 --> 03:37:13,040 Thank you. 5655 03:37:13,040 --> 03:37:14,960 >> Okay. 5656 03:37:14,960 --> 03:37:18,160 >> Say fire prevention 5657 03:37:18,160 --> 03:37:20,880 focused on public property. Just include 5658 03:37:20,880 --> 03:37:23,520 that in the line item for fire 5659 03:37:23,520 --> 03:37:24,479 prevention. 5660 03:37:24,479 --> 03:37:26,080 >> Do you wanted to say that or at the 5661 03:37:26,080 --> 03:37:28,000 discretion of the fire chief? 5662 03:37:28,000 --> 03:37:30,080 >> Chief, are we not getting any more funds 5663 03:37:30,080 --> 03:37:32,880 from the county this year 5664 03:37:32,880 --> 03:37:35,760 >> for fire prevention? 5665 03:37:35,760 --> 03:37:37,439 >> We've never got funds from the county. 5666 03:37:37,439 --> 03:37:38,960 Well, from the state because it was the 5667 03:37:38,960 --> 03:37:41,200 county two years ago. It was the county 5668 03:37:41,200 --> 03:37:43,040 that came in, right? From the state when 5669 03:37:43,040 --> 03:37:47,429 we were working with Mike. 5670 03:37:47,439 --> 03:37:49,040 » Yeah. 5671 03:37:49,040 --> 03:37:54,469 >> Oh, is that state? Okay. 5672 03:37:54,479 --> 03:37:56,160 » Okay. 5673 03:37:56,160 --> 03:37:58,399 >> Would you would would Brent, you be 5674 03:37:58,399 --> 03:38:01,520 willing to add the fire prevention in if 5675 03:38:01,520 --> 03:38:03,840 it was at the discretion and choice of 5676 03:38:03,840 --> 03:38:06,960 the fire chief as to where it went? 5677 03:38:06,960 --> 03:38:08,560 and how it was used. 5678 03:38:08,560 --> 03:38:11,120 >> I don't know if the city should be in 5679 03:38:11,120 --> 03:38:13,120 the business of 5680 03:38:13,120 --> 03:38:15,200 um doing what private land owners should 5681 03:38:15,200 --> 03:38:16,960 be doing themselves. 5682 03:38:16,960 --> 03:38:17,760 >> Okay, I'll take 5683 03:38:17,760 --> 03:38:18,720 >> We've had that discussion. 5684 03:38:18,720 --> 03:38:20,479 >> Just just for public just for public 5685 03:38:20,479 --> 03:38:22,080 lands. Are you okay with that? 5686 03:38:22,080 --> 03:38:23,520 >> I then I'll take it 5687 03:38:23,520 --> 03:38:24,640 >> up to that amount. Yeah. 5688 03:38:24,640 --> 03:38:26,000 >> All right, then you can include that in 5689 03:38:26,000 --> 03:38:27,760 the motion if you're willing. 5690 03:38:27,760 --> 03:38:29,760 >> Okay. And Jessica, are you okay with 5691 03:38:29,760 --> 03:38:32,000 that? Are you willing to accept that 5692 03:38:32,000 --> 03:38:33,840 amendment? 5693 03:38:33,840 --> 03:38:34,800 >> Yes. 5694 03:38:34,800 --> 03:38:38,000 >> Thank you. Would you accept an amendment 5695 03:38:38,000 --> 03:38:41,439 to move the Alpine Historic Preservation 5696 03:38:41,439 --> 03:38:43,120 on the good faith that we will approve 5697 03:38:43,120 --> 03:38:47,279 it as a park allocation and remove it 5698 03:38:47,279 --> 03:38:50,319 from the general fund spending? 5699 03:38:50,319 --> 03:38:52,080 >> So, it just come out of park funds. 5700 03:38:52,080 --> 03:38:53,040 >> Yeah. 5701 03:38:53,040 --> 03:38:54,479 >> Good faith that we will approve it in 5702 03:38:54,479 --> 03:38:55,520 the next motion. 5703 03:38:55,520 --> 03:38:56,560 >> Yes. Wait, 5704 03:38:56,560 --> 03:38:58,399 >> but Jessica needs to agree. 5705 03:38:58,399 --> 03:39:01,200 >> Yes, I agree. I I Yeah, because it puts 5706 03:39:01,200 --> 03:39:02,960 it in the same category. 5707 03:39:02,960 --> 03:39:07,359 >> Okay. So, can you um sorry, but just to 5708 03:39:07,359 --> 03:39:09,120 know where we ended up, we have the 5709 03:39:09,120 --> 03:39:11,040 roundabout, we have sidewalk 5710 03:39:11,040 --> 03:39:13,279 improvements, we now have fire 5711 03:39:13,279 --> 03:39:15,200 prevention going in order here at 5712 03:39:15,200 --> 03:39:18,080 traffic calming and Carlton shop. Is 5713 03:39:18,080 --> 03:39:18,960 that what we have? 5714 03:39:18,960 --> 03:39:22,000 >> And the easement and raccoons. 5715 03:39:22,000 --> 03:39:23,279 >> That's not on our list. 5716 03:39:23,279 --> 03:39:25,600 >> Yeah, he said I I asked him for both of 5717 03:39:25,600 --> 03:39:26,080 those. 5718 03:39:26,080 --> 03:39:27,520 >> No, they asked He asked for the 5719 03:39:27,520 --> 03:39:29,680 amendment and he accepted the amendment. 5720 03:39:29,680 --> 03:39:30,720 >> Oh, I thought it was just prior 5721 03:39:30,720 --> 03:39:32,560 prevention. That's why I'm That's why 5722 03:39:32,560 --> 03:39:33,520 I'm trying to repeat it. 5723 03:39:33,520 --> 03:39:35,359 >> The only one we discussed. 5724 03:39:35,359 --> 03:39:36,800 >> So, you're accepting all of them, 5725 03:39:36,800 --> 03:39:37,359 correct? 5726 03:39:37,359 --> 03:39:38,160 >> Yep. 5727 03:39:38,160 --> 03:39:40,560 >> And Jessica? 5728 03:39:40,560 --> 03:39:43,439 >> Yes. So, that is with the understanding 5729 03:39:43,439 --> 03:39:45,600 that we might be out of money before we 5730 03:39:45,600 --> 03:39:47,600 get to those. Is this in order or are 5731 03:39:47,600 --> 03:39:49,760 you are you I would like it listed in 5732 03:39:49,760 --> 03:39:53,040 order so that staff has clear direction. 5733 03:39:53,040 --> 03:39:54,399 >> Yes, they're in order. 5734 03:39:54,399 --> 03:39:57,120 >> Okay. So, you're putting fire prevention 5735 03:39:57,120 --> 03:39:58,720 below 5736 03:39:58,720 --> 03:40:02,479 >> below. So, Carlton shop and then so we 5737 03:40:02,479 --> 03:40:04,479 have roundabout sidewalk improvements 5738 03:40:04,479 --> 03:40:07,040 that relate to safety combined traffic 5739 03:40:07,040 --> 03:40:10,000 calming 5740 03:40:10,000 --> 03:40:12,479 Carlton shop improvements 5741 03:40:12,479 --> 03:40:14,479 alpine historic preservation projects 5742 03:40:14,479 --> 03:40:16,080 with that understanding. 5743 03:40:16,080 --> 03:40:17,840 >> No, no, it's coming out of the park 5744 03:40:17,840 --> 03:40:19,279 funds, not the general fund. So, we can 5745 03:40:19,279 --> 03:40:19,680 remove it. 5746 03:40:19,680 --> 03:40:21,279 >> That's why I said understand park funds. 5747 03:40:21,279 --> 03:40:24,640 >> Oh, that'll be in our second motion. 5748 03:40:24,640 --> 03:40:27,520 >> Oh, the amendment to the motion. We you 5749 03:40:27,520 --> 03:40:30,160 amended my motion, right? 5750 03:40:30,160 --> 03:40:32,080 >> So it was to remove it from this 5751 03:40:32,080 --> 03:40:34,640 >> to remove to remove it from be a 5752 03:40:34,640 --> 03:40:36,000 separate separate motion. 5753 03:40:36,000 --> 03:40:38,640 >> A separate motion after Carlton then 5754 03:40:38,640 --> 03:40:39,200 what? 5755 03:40:39,200 --> 03:40:41,920 >> Then um 5756 03:40:41,920 --> 03:40:43,520 >> fire prevention 5757 03:40:43,520 --> 03:40:46,479 >> public property first. 5758 03:40:46,479 --> 03:40:48,720 >> No, he's going through the list now in 5759 03:40:48,720 --> 03:40:51,279 the order. So after 5760 03:40:51,279 --> 03:40:52,000 fire prevention 5761 03:40:52,000 --> 03:40:54,560 >> well they're all so low any that's 5762 03:40:54,560 --> 03:40:56,399 easement first. Sure. I think well I 5763 03:40:56,399 --> 03:40:57,680 would say fire prevention because it's 5764 03:40:57,680 --> 03:41:00,160 more related to our main priority of 5765 03:41:00,160 --> 03:41:03,200 safety but and then the easement. Are 5766 03:41:03,200 --> 03:41:04,479 you want the ement? Okay. The easement 5767 03:41:04,479 --> 03:41:09,143 then fire prevention and raccoons. 5768 03:41:09,143 --> 03:41:10,479 [snorts] 5769 03:41:10,479 --> 03:41:12,560 I ask clarity 5770 03:41:12,560 --> 03:41:16,880 on why we're removing the historical 5771 03:41:16,880 --> 03:41:20,640 uh the I want to say the alpine 5772 03:41:20,640 --> 03:41:22,319 historical preservation project. 5773 03:41:22,319 --> 03:41:23,279 >> It's going to come from a different 5774 03:41:23,279 --> 03:41:24,880 bucket of money. This is all general 5775 03:41:24,880 --> 03:41:27,200 funded through general fund. 5776 03:41:27,200 --> 03:41:28,640 >> All these are general fund. 5777 03:41:28,640 --> 03:41:29,439 >> All of them. 5778 03:41:29,439 --> 03:41:30,640 >> I thought they were just a list of 5779 03:41:30,640 --> 03:41:32,000 priorities and we're pulling them from a 5780 03:41:32,000 --> 03:41:33,680 lot of different buckets. Am I wrong on 5781 03:41:33,680 --> 03:41:34,160 that? 5782 03:41:34,160 --> 03:41:35,200 >> Oh, 5783 03:41:35,200 --> 03:41:36,399 >> there's a few of these like the 5784 03:41:36,399 --> 03:41:38,399 roundabouts proposed from different 5785 03:41:38,399 --> 03:41:41,439 funds, but a lot of the money with these 5786 03:41:41,439 --> 03:41:44,319 project is general fund money. 5787 03:41:44,319 --> 03:41:46,800 >> This is the order that he is putting 5788 03:41:46,800 --> 03:41:47,279 forth the motion. 5789 03:41:47,279 --> 03:41:48,160 >> So, I'm just wondering does it dep 5790 03:41:48,160 --> 03:41:49,840 prioritize the historical projects or 5791 03:41:49,840 --> 03:41:50,080 No. 5792 03:41:50,080 --> 03:41:52,560 >> No. No. Because the money's there. 5793 03:41:52,560 --> 03:41:53,760 >> All right. 5794 03:41:53,760 --> 03:41:57,359 Okay. So, Deian, are you clear on what 5795 03:41:57,359 --> 03:42:00,160 the order is? 5796 03:42:00,160 --> 03:42:05,120 >> Okay. So, Jessica, are you okay with 5797 03:42:05,120 --> 03:42:05,359 >> um 5798 03:42:05,359 --> 03:42:07,439 >> I'm okay with the order, but wasn't the 5799 03:42:07,439 --> 03:42:09,680 first motion didn't that include a not 5800 03:42:09,680 --> 03:42:11,680 to exceed 50,000 for the traffic 5801 03:42:11,680 --> 03:42:12,560 calming? 5802 03:42:12,560 --> 03:42:14,880 >> Yes, 5803 03:42:14,880 --> 03:42:15,840 Brian, I have one. 5804 03:42:15,840 --> 03:42:17,200 >> Did you skip it? 5805 03:42:17,200 --> 03:42:17,680 >> No. 5806 03:42:17,680 --> 03:42:18,800 What number is it? 5807 03:42:18,800 --> 03:42:22,560 >> That was third. After sidewalks. Where's 5808 03:42:22,560 --> 03:42:23,760 Carlton shop then? 5809 03:42:23,760 --> 03:42:24,720 >> It was fourth. 5810 03:42:24,720 --> 03:42:26,080 >> Fourth. 5811 03:42:26,080 --> 03:42:26,479 >> My number. 5812 03:42:26,479 --> 03:42:28,239 >> I have a question. Is now appropriate 5813 03:42:28,239 --> 03:42:30,640 time to ask? 5814 03:42:30,640 --> 03:42:32,160 >> So, I just wanted to make sure that we 5815 03:42:32,160 --> 03:42:34,640 understand what the motion is, then we 5816 03:42:34,640 --> 03:42:37,200 can ask. Okay. So, we have Brent's 5817 03:42:37,200 --> 03:42:40,399 motion. Jessica seconded it. Brent put 5818 03:42:40,399 --> 03:42:43,200 it in order. 5819 03:42:43,200 --> 03:42:45,359 >> So, as I I just want to make sure I 5820 03:42:45,359 --> 03:42:47,760 understand this. So, we're essentially 5821 03:42:47,760 --> 03:42:50,479 approving almost all of these. We're 5822 03:42:50,479 --> 03:42:52,960 putting them in order of priority and 5823 03:42:52,960 --> 03:42:55,920 then we're going to do them as long as 5824 03:42:55,920 --> 03:42:58,080 we have funds to do them. But are we 5825 03:42:58,080 --> 03:43:00,479 putting a cap on how much we leave in 5826 03:43:00,479 --> 03:43:02,080 each fund balance? Like 5827 03:43:02,080 --> 03:43:02,640 >> no. 5828 03:43:02,640 --> 03:43:05,680 >> So I think we're waiting to see. I I 5829 03:43:05,680 --> 03:43:07,120 think we kind of maybe need to go out 5830 03:43:07,120 --> 03:43:08,880 and do some due diligence and see what 5831 03:43:08,880 --> 03:43:11,920 the suggested um what the best practices 5832 03:43:11,920 --> 03:43:13,920 are and what other cities are doing with 5833 03:43:13,920 --> 03:43:16,640 each of their fund balances. And um and 5834 03:43:16,640 --> 03:43:18,560 I'm gonna guess that some of it is going 5835 03:43:18,560 --> 03:43:20,720 to vary by what projects are happening 5836 03:43:20,720 --> 03:43:23,680 and you know there is some variations in 5837 03:43:23,680 --> 03:43:29,359 that but it does worry me that um 5838 03:43:29,359 --> 03:43:31,439 these optional projects are coming. It's 5839 03:43:31,439 --> 03:43:32,960 a large amount. 5840 03:43:32,960 --> 03:43:34,239 >> I don't know if we're going to be able 5841 03:43:34,239 --> 03:43:36,479 to get beyond the first one except for 5842 03:43:36,479 --> 03:43:38,000 the ones that are in the park tax and 5843 03:43:38,000 --> 03:43:39,600 some of the others that are allocated in 5844 03:43:39,600 --> 03:43:42,319 anything other than the general fund. 5845 03:43:42,319 --> 03:43:44,080 >> But those come up as individual 5846 03:43:44,080 --> 03:43:46,800 decisions later. Yeah, they all do. Yep. 5847 03:43:46,800 --> 03:43:47,760 So 5848 03:43:47,760 --> 03:43:53,040 >> So essentially we're just approving to allocate funds to these these items, 5849 03:43:53,040 --> 03:43:56,880 >> right? And then as they come up as as 5850 03:43:56,880 --> 03:43:59,040 staff works on them, you know, they'll 5851 03:43:59,040 --> 03:44:00,960 come up and say, "Okay, here's the 5852 03:44:00,960 --> 03:44:02,399 roundabout. This is what it's going to 5853 03:44:02,399 --> 03:44:05,279 be looking like." And then they'll come 5854 03:44:05,279 --> 03:44:07,199 to approval. They'll come for approval 5855 03:44:07,199 --> 03:44:09,120 from city council for each individual 5856 03:44:09,120 --> 03:44:11,920 project as they come up. So essentially 5857 03:44:11,920 --> 03:44:16,640 by approving all these really we're allocating staff's time to do 5858 03:44:16,640 --> 03:44:18,800 this. That's that's kind of the cost 5859 03:44:18,800 --> 03:44:19,439 right now 5860 03:44:19,439 --> 03:44:22,640 >> and yes and putting a placeholder on um 5861 03:44:22,640 --> 03:44:24,800 >> other ones for money. 5862 03:44:24,800 --> 03:44:26,080 >> A lot of these were just estimate 5863 03:44:26,080 --> 03:44:28,160 estimated costs. So it might come in 5864 03:44:28,160 --> 03:44:29,600 over it might come in below and that 5865 03:44:29,600 --> 03:44:32,319 could influence our decisions later on. 5866 03:44:32,319 --> 03:44:33,760 >> Multiple effects. Well, and couldn't 5867 03:44:33,760 --> 03:44:35,439 staff come back on some of these and 5868 03:44:35,439 --> 03:44:37,600 say, "We have funds [snorts] here that 5869 03:44:37,600 --> 03:44:39,040 we're going to use instead of the 5870 03:44:39,040 --> 03:44:41,680 general fund like our class C road." I 5871 03:44:41,680 --> 03:44:43,359 mean, that's part of this due diligence 5872 03:44:43,359 --> 03:44:44,239 process. 5873 03:44:44,239 --> 03:44:45,439 >> You know, they'll be doing all of that. 5874 03:44:45,439 --> 03:44:48,160 They understand that. Um, is is there 5875 03:44:48,160 --> 03:44:50,640 any benefit to whittling this down 5876 03:44:50,640 --> 03:44:53,279 instead of keeping all of these on here? 5877 03:44:53,279 --> 03:44:55,439 or is is there really no 5878 03:44:55,439 --> 03:44:57,359 >> I mean I guess not because we'll just go 5879 03:44:57,359 --> 03:45:01,120 in order and then you know they'll get 5880 03:45:01,120 --> 03:45:03,279 as much or as little as they can get 5881 03:45:03,279 --> 03:45:05,920 accomplished in this next year. I mean 5882 03:45:05,920 --> 03:45:10,239 this um you know the round you know I 5883 03:45:10,239 --> 03:45:11,600 don't think the roundabout will take a 5884 03:45:11,600 --> 03:45:15,040 ton of time because um it's not going to 5885 03:45:15,040 --> 03:45:18,239 I my guess is I know they're projecting 5886 03:45:18,239 --> 03:45:19,520 spring of next year but I'm going to 5887 03:45:19,520 --> 03:45:21,120 guess it's going to be pushed back. I 5888 03:45:21,120 --> 03:45:23,120 can't imagine them being able to get 5889 03:45:23,120 --> 03:45:25,040 through everything with their present 5890 03:45:25,040 --> 03:45:27,359 council. That's just going to be my 5891 03:45:27,359 --> 03:45:27,920 guess. 5892 03:45:27,920 --> 03:45:30,160 >> And they're they're still surveying it 5893 03:45:30,160 --> 03:45:31,840 right now. I saw them out there Sunday. 5894 03:45:31,840 --> 03:45:33,279 >> I think what we'll do is kind of move 5895 03:45:33,279 --> 03:45:35,279 forward with it and then I'm not sure 5896 03:45:35,279 --> 03:45:36,880 how far we'll be able to get with it 5897 03:45:36,880 --> 03:45:39,040 because we are working with another um 5898 03:45:39,040 --> 03:45:41,359 municipality and then maybe what we can 5899 03:45:41,359 --> 03:45:43,520 do is we can go to the next projects and 5900 03:45:43,520 --> 03:45:45,199 start planning on those and move forward 5901 03:45:45,199 --> 03:45:47,279 with that. And just as an example, the 5902 03:45:47,279 --> 03:45:49,439 1.5 million amount was based on the 5903 03:45:49,439 --> 03:45:52,000 Keller Associates estimate of what they 5904 03:45:52,000 --> 03:45:55,760 proposed we submit to MAG. Um there were 5905 03:45:55,760 --> 03:45:59,840 ways to reduce the cost and Shane 5906 03:45:59,840 --> 03:46:02,880 um has worked with individual who's been 5907 03:46:02,880 --> 03:46:05,040 doing consulting on roundabouts in in 5908 03:46:05,040 --> 03:46:06,800 Utah for years that did this roundabout 5909 03:46:06,800 --> 03:46:09,439 at Main Street and he'd already you've 5910 03:46:09,439 --> 03:46:11,439 already asked him and spent the money to 5911 03:46:11,439 --> 03:46:13,120 have him look at it as well. So we'll 5912 03:46:13,120 --> 03:46:14,000 have a couple of different options. 5913 03:46:14,000 --> 03:46:17,120 That's just just as an example that 1.5 5914 03:46:17,120 --> 03:46:19,120 million is not set in stone. 5915 03:46:19,120 --> 03:46:21,840 >> Lynen did theirs for 500,000 5916 03:46:21,840 --> 03:46:24,160 >> and it's smaller but staff has 5917 03:46:24,160 --> 03:46:26,880 recommended a larger one because of 5918 03:46:26,880 --> 03:46:29,279 truck traffic in Alpine 5919 03:46:29,279 --> 03:46:31,920 >> because they're still building and you 5920 03:46:31,920 --> 03:46:34,160 just kind of do that. But I think um no 5921 03:46:34,160 --> 03:46:36,319 you're right like Keller the reason that 5922 03:46:36,319 --> 03:46:38,399 the number and I actually think it's 5923 03:46:38,399 --> 03:46:40,319 more than 1.5 million. The reason the 5924 03:46:40,319 --> 03:46:42,960 number is so high is that in order to 5925 03:46:42,960 --> 03:46:45,920 qualify for MAG grant, you have to work 5926 03:46:45,920 --> 03:46:49,439 with certain um there's more 5927 03:46:49,439 --> 03:46:52,800 restrictions or um limitations on um who 5928 03:46:52,800 --> 03:46:55,680 you can work with and how you um build a 5929 03:46:55,680 --> 03:46:57,760 project. It's very strict federal 5930 03:46:57,760 --> 03:47:00,399 guidelines that you have to follow. Um 5931 03:47:00,399 --> 03:47:02,880 so by August, if we find out that we 5932 03:47:02,880 --> 03:47:04,880 don't have the grant, then we could do a 5933 03:47:04,880 --> 03:47:06,000 cheaper option as 5934 03:47:06,000 --> 03:47:08,560 >> Brment. And the other thing about the 5935 03:47:08,560 --> 03:47:11,040 more the cheaper options, so Lynden did 5936 03:47:11,040 --> 03:47:12,560 the more expensive option of doing 5937 03:47:12,560 --> 03:47:14,720 cement to make it last longer. They had 5938 03:47:14,720 --> 03:47:16,560 a community member who was in the cement 5939 03:47:16,560 --> 03:47:18,399 business, they said we could talk to see 5940 03:47:18,399 --> 03:47:20,160 if we can get a similar deal. 5941 03:47:20,160 --> 03:47:22,880 >> Um, so it could even be less expensive 5942 03:47:22,880 --> 03:47:25,600 with with using asphalt. And then um the 5943 03:47:25,600 --> 03:47:26,960 other thing that wasn't mentioned before 5944 03:47:26,960 --> 03:47:29,120 is since we're redoing Canyon Crest 5945 03:47:29,120 --> 03:47:32,239 anyway, a lot of that pavement will 5946 03:47:32,239 --> 03:47:33,600 already be is going to be replaced 5947 03:47:33,600 --> 03:47:36,880 anyway. So the the tear out and the 5948 03:47:36,880 --> 03:47:38,319 replacement of part of that at least 5949 03:47:38,319 --> 03:47:40,160 will already be covered in the in the 5950 03:47:40,160 --> 03:47:42,080 current grant funded project. 5951 03:47:42,080 --> 03:47:43,439 >> So that's why it'd be cheaper to do it 5952 03:47:43,439 --> 03:47:45,040 now as well potentially. 5953 03:47:45,040 --> 03:47:46,960 >> And and will we come back and have more 5954 03:47:46,960 --> 03:47:49,279 discussion on what is our minimum we 5955 03:47:49,279 --> 03:47:51,520 want to keep in some of these in our 5956 03:47:51,520 --> 03:47:52,160 fund balance? 5957 03:47:52,160 --> 03:47:54,560 >> Yes. Okay. Yes. That'll be at a later 5958 03:47:54,560 --> 03:47:55,359 time. 5959 03:47:55,359 --> 03:47:57,040 >> I would love to get recommendations from 5960 03:47:57,040 --> 03:47:59,040 subject matter experts on that. Like I 5961 03:47:59,040 --> 03:48:00,800 said, I think we um and then you guys 5962 03:48:00,800 --> 03:48:03,520 are welcome to reach out too, but you 5963 03:48:03,520 --> 03:48:05,040 know, just because you guys deal with 5964 03:48:05,040 --> 03:48:07,120 that and then just kind of see what the 5965 03:48:07,120 --> 03:48:09,920 best practices are and um I would like 5966 03:48:09,920 --> 03:48:10,800 to follow that. 5967 03:48:10,800 --> 03:48:12,560 >> So, a concern on the motion unless you 5968 03:48:12,560 --> 03:48:15,040 have a question. Oh, just to follow up 5969 03:48:15,040 --> 03:48:17,600 the um the way the fire station was 5970 03:48:17,600 --> 03:48:20,399 approved, but ne nothing moved forward 5971 03:48:20,399 --> 03:48:23,040 because of timing and and so it'll be a 5972 03:48:23,040 --> 03:48:24,720 similar thing even if the roundabout is 5973 03:48:24,720 --> 03:48:26,239 if we're sitting here on one year from 5974 03:48:26,239 --> 03:48:28,960 today and the roundabout hasn't started. 5975 03:48:28,960 --> 03:48:30,399 What we're effectively saying is we're 5976 03:48:30,399 --> 03:48:31,840 going to earmark the capital 5977 03:48:31,840 --> 03:48:35,439 improvements fund for a future build 5978 03:48:35,439 --> 03:48:37,199 just like we did with fire station. 5979 03:48:37,199 --> 03:48:38,880 That's what I think we're approving at 5980 03:48:38,880 --> 03:48:41,279 this point is earmarking 5981 03:48:41,279 --> 03:48:45,199 9 what 930 or 80,000 whatever he's 5982 03:48:45,199 --> 03:48:47,760 proposed in our capital improvements for 5983 03:48:47,760 --> 03:48:50,080 this project. Whether it happens in the 5984 03:48:50,080 --> 03:48:52,720 fiscal year 2027 is up to all the 5985 03:48:52,720 --> 03:48:54,880 factors you've just discussed. But we're 5986 03:48:54,880 --> 03:48:57,600 earmarking this balance and if other 5987 03:48:57,600 --> 03:48:59,760 options funding comes up or we can build 5988 03:48:59,760 --> 03:49:01,520 it for cheap or whatever that the fund 5989 03:49:01,520 --> 03:49:03,120 balance I mean I'm sorry the capital 5990 03:49:03,120 --> 03:49:05,920 improvement fund is still allocated for 5991 03:49:05,920 --> 03:49:08,319 this. Okay, thank you. Appreciate that 5992 03:49:08,319 --> 03:49:08,880 question. 5993 03:49:08,880 --> 03:49:10,640 >> Yeah, Brent, a concern on the motion. 5994 03:49:10,640 --> 03:49:12,880 This is asking for clarity, but also 5995 03:49:12,880 --> 03:49:15,040 maybe a step back, and I don't know if 5996 03:49:15,040 --> 03:49:16,640 you'll be open to this, but by placing 5997 03:49:16,640 --> 03:49:19,439 the roundabout on the top, we're putting 5998 03:49:19,439 --> 03:49:22,880 a massive thing in front of all of these 5999 03:49:22,880 --> 03:49:25,199 other issues, 6000 03:49:25,199 --> 03:49:27,680 I mean, it's going to take so much money 6001 03:49:27,680 --> 03:49:29,680 and it's and we we do have some 6002 03:49:29,680 --> 03:49:34,160 residents. This is not like a, you know, 6003 03:49:34,160 --> 03:49:38,640 a 100% everyone's on board with this. 6004 03:49:38,640 --> 03:49:40,640 It's very heavy. We're basically putting 6005 03:49:40,640 --> 03:49:43,040 it on top of everything, 6006 03:49:43,040 --> 03:49:44,720 which is going to prioritize their time 6007 03:49:44,720 --> 03:49:46,319 and all the money. 6008 03:49:46,319 --> 03:49:48,319 >> Well, a lot has already been done. We've 6009 03:49:48,319 --> 03:49:48,800 already got 6010 03:49:48,800 --> 03:49:49,840 >> I know. I'm just I'm just saying 6011 03:49:49,840 --> 03:49:51,840 >> we've already gotten engineers opinions. 6012 03:49:51,840 --> 03:49:52,399 We've gotten 6013 03:49:52,399 --> 03:49:53,760 >> This is hard because basically what it 6014 03:49:53,760 --> 03:49:55,279 does is it takes the bottom seven and 6015 03:49:55,279 --> 03:49:56,319 they're not going to happen. 6016 03:49:56,319 --> 03:49:57,680 >> Well, no. Not necessarily. 6017 03:49:57,680 --> 03:49:58,960 >> Well, I hope so. I'm going to Your 6018 03:49:58,960 --> 03:50:01,040 choice, right? I'm gonna push for him. 6019 03:50:01,040 --> 03:50:02,160 Well, not not my choice. 6020 03:50:02,160 --> 03:50:03,279 >> It's our choice. 6021 03:50:03,279 --> 03:50:05,680 >> Our choice. Yeah. I'm gonna push for him 6022 03:50:05,680 --> 03:50:08,640 to try to get them done, but I I don't 6023 03:50:08,640 --> 03:50:11,199 know if this should be number one. I 6024 03:50:11,199 --> 03:50:12,399 think it should be a little lower. 6025 03:50:12,399 --> 03:50:15,199 >> Based I based it on the comments today. 6026 03:50:15,199 --> 03:50:16,960 Sarah, Jessica, and I both listed as 6027 03:50:16,960 --> 03:50:19,199 number one. All listed as number one. 6028 03:50:19,199 --> 03:50:22,000 So, that's why I put it there. You guys 6029 03:50:22,000 --> 03:50:23,840 feel that way? 6030 03:50:23,840 --> 03:50:26,160 >> Well, and Andrew, let me also 6031 03:50:26,160 --> 03:50:28,239 >> I for 6032 03:50:28,239 --> 03:50:29,680 Yeah, go ahead. Sorry, Jessica. 6033 03:50:29,680 --> 03:50:31,520 >> Well, this is one of our gateways. You 6034 03:50:31,520 --> 03:50:34,319 know, it's not just traffic calming, you 6035 03:50:34,319 --> 03:50:36,319 know, changing some speed limit. This is 6036 03:50:36,319 --> 03:50:38,800 one of our three gateways and and so 6037 03:50:38,800 --> 03:50:40,880 it's important just for long-term city 6038 03:50:40,880 --> 03:50:43,279 planning. 6039 03:50:43,279 --> 03:50:44,399 >> It's not just agree. 6040 03:50:44,399 --> 03:50:45,600 >> It's not just traffic calming. It's 6041 03:50:45,600 --> 03:50:47,359 >> No, I agree. I agree. 6042 03:50:47,359 --> 03:50:49,439 >> It's so expensive. I I agree. I mean, if 6043 03:50:49,439 --> 03:50:50,399 this was 6044 03:50:50,399 --> 03:50:51,680 >> We're not making a decision on whether 6045 03:50:51,680 --> 03:50:54,319 we're going to do it tonight. It's just 6046 03:50:54,319 --> 03:50:55,760 >> Well, I think we are. We're we're we're 6047 03:50:55,760 --> 03:50:56,960 giving them the priorities. This is 6048 03:50:56,960 --> 03:50:58,800 basically what's going to happen. We 6049 03:50:58,800 --> 03:50:59,680 have a motion. 6050 03:50:59,680 --> 03:51:01,279 >> No, I know. I know. And I'm asking, 6051 03:51:01,279 --> 03:51:04,160 would you be open to moving traffic 6052 03:51:04,160 --> 03:51:06,160 calming measures above that because it 6053 03:51:06,160 --> 03:51:07,439 is so broad 6054 03:51:07,439 --> 03:51:07,920 >> and it is 6055 03:51:07,920 --> 03:51:09,199 >> I just don't think it makes a difference 6056 03:51:09,199 --> 03:51:11,359 because we already we're already way 6057 03:51:11,359 --> 03:51:12,239 down the road on 6058 03:51:12,239 --> 03:51:13,920 >> Well, just just just hear me out. 6059 03:51:13,920 --> 03:51:16,479 >> So, here, let's just let's expedite 6060 03:51:16,479 --> 03:51:18,640 this. He has a request to amend the 6061 03:51:18,640 --> 03:51:20,319 motion. Do you accept that request? 6062 03:51:20,319 --> 03:51:21,439 >> Well, I haven't even given him what it 6063 03:51:21,439 --> 03:51:22,960 was. I can tell you what it is. 6064 03:51:22,960 --> 03:51:25,600 >> I thought it was to move traffic calming 6065 03:51:25,600 --> 03:51:28,239 above the roundabout. Yes. Is that not 6066 03:51:28,239 --> 03:51:28,479 it? 6067 03:51:28,479 --> 03:51:30,399 >> Yes. Yes. Traffic calming in general. 6068 03:51:30,399 --> 03:51:32,640 That way we it's much more 6069 03:51:32,640 --> 03:51:34,080 >> doable. Would you be open to moving? You 6070 03:51:34,080 --> 03:51:35,040 accept that amendment 6071 03:51:35,040 --> 03:51:37,520 >> and potentially water projects. 6072 03:51:37,520 --> 03:51:38,960 >> Water is not under discussion. 6073 03:51:38,960 --> 03:51:40,720 >> This is not even on one of the options. 6074 03:51:40,720 --> 03:51:42,160 We don't put that as a budget item. 6075 03:51:42,160 --> 03:51:43,760 >> Different. Totally different funding. 6076 03:51:43,760 --> 03:51:45,120 >> That's so I really don't think it 6077 03:51:45,120 --> 03:51:46,880 matters. Um 6078 03:51:46,880 --> 03:51:48,160 >> if it doesn't matter, would you accept 6079 03:51:48,160 --> 03:51:49,920 it? I I kind of agree that 6080 03:51:49,920 --> 03:51:51,199 >> would you accept it just because 6081 03:51:51,199 --> 03:51:52,720 >> Sarah said that too. We could try some 6082 03:51:52,720 --> 03:51:54,399 other traffic calming. 6083 03:51:54,399 --> 03:51:55,199 >> It's just so many 6084 03:51:55,199 --> 03:51:56,399 >> just so it doesn't eat up the whole 6085 03:51:56,399 --> 03:51:57,520 budget. We got 6086 03:51:57,520 --> 03:51:59,199 >> You know what? Hold on just a second. 6087 03:51:59,199 --> 03:52:01,680 Let's stop the conversations. We have a 6088 03:52:01,680 --> 03:52:03,600 proposed amendment. Do you accept that 6089 03:52:03,600 --> 03:52:04,640 proposed amendment? 6090 03:52:04,640 --> 03:52:05,920 >> I'll say no. 6091 03:52:05,920 --> 03:52:08,720 >> Okay. Let me give just some quick input 6092 03:52:08,720 --> 03:52:11,439 to And is that the traffic calming that 6093 03:52:11,439 --> 03:52:13,680 is capped at 50,000? 6094 03:52:13,680 --> 03:52:15,279 >> Yes. 6095 03:52:15,279 --> 03:52:17,680 >> And so those those changes could happen 6096 03:52:17,680 --> 03:52:20,239 again immediately. We already know that 6097 03:52:20,239 --> 03:52:23,120 the roundabout is going to take a while. 6098 03:52:23,120 --> 03:52:24,720 >> Okay. That's do it 6099 03:52:24,720 --> 03:52:27,520 >> from timing standpoint. you are accept. 6100 03:52:27,520 --> 03:52:30,399 >> Okay. So, he is accepting the amendment. 6101 03:52:30,399 --> 03:52:32,399 Jessica 6102 03:52:32,399 --> 03:52:33,439 the 6103 03:52:33,439 --> 03:52:36,000 >> So, Brent is willing to amend the motion 6104 03:52:36,000 --> 03:52:40,319 to place traffic calming above the 6105 03:52:40,319 --> 03:52:42,479 roundabout. Do you accept that 6106 03:52:42,479 --> 03:52:43,600 amendment? 6107 03:52:43,600 --> 03:52:44,479 >> Yes, I accept. 6108 03:52:44,479 --> 03:52:45,520 >> Okay. 6109 03:52:45,520 --> 03:52:46,479 >> Perfect. 6110 03:52:46,479 --> 03:52:49,040 >> Are we good to move on or Okay, let's 6111 03:52:49,040 --> 03:52:51,199 proceed with a roll call vote. Sarah 6112 03:52:51,199 --> 03:52:53,600 Blackwell, yes. Chris Anaman, yes. 6113 03:52:53,600 --> 03:52:56,399 >> Andrew Young, yes. Brent Rmler, yes. 6114 03:52:56,399 --> 03:52:58,479 Jessica Smeuan. Yes. 6115 03:52:58,479 --> 03:53:02,560 >> Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Let's um so 6116 03:53:02,560 --> 03:53:05,840 I believe at this point we will let Mr. 6117 03:53:05,840 --> 03:53:09,040 Doxy leave. Thank you for staying the 6118 03:53:09,040 --> 03:53:09,600 evening. 6119 03:53:09,600 --> 03:53:12,479 >> I I apologize, Mayor. Uh Mayor, I 6120 03:53:12,479 --> 03:53:14,479 apologize and I I don't mean to speak 6121 03:53:14,479 --> 03:53:16,640 out of turn and feel free to pound me on 6122 03:53:16,640 --> 03:53:19,359 right now. Are we not having a close 6123 03:53:19,359 --> 03:53:21,840 session to get an update on certain land 6124 03:53:21,840 --> 03:53:23,920 acquisition that we might need him 6125 03:53:23,920 --> 03:53:26,479 tonight because of the time sensitivity? 6126 03:53:26,479 --> 03:53:28,960 If we are not, I will step back. But if 6127 03:53:28,960 --> 03:53:29,920 we are, 6128 03:53:29,920 --> 03:53:31,279 >> do I have an update? 6129 03:53:31,279 --> 03:53:33,520 >> I felt like that was important to go 6130 03:53:33,520 --> 03:53:34,560 over. 6131 03:53:34,560 --> 03:53:36,560 >> No, we do not. 6132 03:53:36,560 --> 03:53:39,680 >> Can we have close session? Are you open 6133 03:53:39,680 --> 03:53:41,600 to it because of the timing of the 6134 03:53:41,600 --> 03:53:42,880 summer? 6135 03:53:42,880 --> 03:53:43,680 >> Sure. 6136 03:53:43,680 --> 03:53:44,720 >> Of the summer? 6137 03:53:44,720 --> 03:53:48,469 >> We really 6138 03:53:48,479 --> 03:53:50,000 I I'm not I don't want to hold 6139 03:53:50,000 --> 03:53:51,359 >> property acquisition. 6140 03:53:51,359 --> 03:53:53,439 >> Yeah. I don't want to hold you guys here 6141 03:53:53,439 --> 03:53:54,800 later than you want to be and I'm not 6142 03:53:54,800 --> 03:53:56,160 trying to be that guy because I know 6143 03:53:56,160 --> 03:53:57,840 I've been that guy. 6144 03:53:57,840 --> 03:54:00,319 >> But I just wonder 6145 03:54:00,319 --> 03:54:02,560 >> if we wait another two weeks if we lose 6146 03:54:02,560 --> 03:54:04,560 even more of our tiny window that we 6147 03:54:04,560 --> 03:54:05,040 have. 6148 03:54:05,040 --> 03:54:06,399 >> My understanding is that 6149 03:54:06,399 --> 03:54:09,199 >> we can also amend the agenda and go into 6150 03:54:09,199 --> 03:54:11,680 executive session right now. then Steve 6151 03:54:11,680 --> 03:54:13,680 can leave and then we 6152 03:54:13,680 --> 03:54:15,600 >> I think what we decided is that there's 6153 03:54:15,600 --> 03:54:17,600 going to be a letter sent out. Did we 6154 03:54:17,600 --> 03:54:18,560 already 6155 03:54:18,560 --> 03:54:20,000 >> We have it. 6156 03:54:20,000 --> 03:54:21,439 >> So, we have a letter and he's going to 6157 03:54:21,439 --> 03:54:23,680 be sending it out and then we I already 6158 03:54:23,680 --> 03:54:25,680 told Dan to expect a letter from the 6159 03:54:25,680 --> 03:54:27,520 city. Okay. Regarding that and then 6160 03:54:27,520 --> 03:54:28,720 they're going to look it over and 6161 03:54:28,720 --> 03:54:30,239 they're going to have their board 6162 03:54:30,239 --> 03:54:31,279 meeting 6163 03:54:31,279 --> 03:54:33,680 >> next Thursday and decide on that and 6164 03:54:33,680 --> 03:54:34,880 then they'll get back to us. 6165 03:54:34,880 --> 03:54:36,560 >> That's sufficient. 6166 03:54:36,560 --> 03:54:37,840 >> So, you're talking about the disposition 6167 03:54:37,840 --> 03:54:40,080 of property, not acquisition, correct? 6168 03:54:40,080 --> 03:54:41,840 >> Yes. Apologies. Yes, you are correct. 6169 03:54:41,840 --> 03:54:44,640 >> I was just like [clears throat] 6170 03:54:44,640 --> 03:54:45,840 >> Okay. 6171 03:54:45,840 --> 03:54:50,160 >> Thank you, Mr. Doxy. Sorry about that. 6172 03:54:50,160 --> 03:54:50,640 >> Um, 6173 03:54:50,640 --> 03:54:53,040 >> so we're just going to talk about design 6174 03:54:53,040 --> 03:54:56,000 stuff, right? 6175 03:54:56,000 --> 03:54:59,040 >> Kayen, do you want to 6176 03:54:59,040 --> 03:55:00,479 >> So, we're just talking about the design 6177 03:55:00,479 --> 03:55:01,840 standard today. Is that correct? 6178 03:55:01,840 --> 03:55:02,399 >> Yes. 6179 03:55:02,399 --> 03:55:04,319 >> Can we identify the page number so we're 6180 03:55:04,319 --> 03:55:05,439 all in the same 6181 03:55:05,439 --> 03:55:07,680 >> appendix B? I do feel like maybe what we 6182 03:55:07,680 --> 03:55:09,279 should do because our meetings are going 6183 03:55:09,279 --> 03:55:11,600 so long, maybe we need to h plan for 6184 03:55:11,600 --> 03:55:13,279 this to be in a work session maybe 6185 03:55:13,279 --> 03:55:15,600 before city council meeting and we just 6186 03:55:15,600 --> 03:55:17,680 plan for how long do you think we need? 6187 03:55:17,680 --> 03:55:18,800 >> No, but we're we're meeting with 6188 03:55:18,800 --> 03:55:20,399 planning commission before our next city 6189 03:55:20,399 --> 03:55:21,120 council meeting. 6190 03:55:21,120 --> 03:55:22,880 >> I know, but not to go over the rest of 6191 03:55:22,880 --> 03:55:25,680 this, not for all of this. 6192 03:55:25,680 --> 03:55:28,319 >> I'm talking about for the rest of the 6193 03:55:28,319 --> 03:55:30,000 plan because I feel like we keep putting 6194 03:55:30,000 --> 03:55:32,479 the small area plan review of it and we 6195 03:55:32,479 --> 03:55:34,960 never have time for it. So, I'm thinking 6196 03:55:34,960 --> 03:55:37,120 maybe what we need to do is do we need 6197 03:55:37,120 --> 03:55:39,199 an hour? Do we need 45 minutes? Do we 6198 03:55:39,199 --> 03:55:41,439 need half? Like, how long should we make 6199 03:55:41,439 --> 03:55:43,439 the work session before our city council 6200 03:55:43,439 --> 03:55:45,600 meeting? Then we have a hard stop on it 6201 03:55:45,600 --> 03:55:47,199 and then we can proceed with our city 6202 03:55:47,199 --> 03:55:49,279 council meetings because I don't think 6203 03:55:49,279 --> 03:55:50,880 we're ever going to get to it and we 6204 03:55:50,880 --> 03:55:52,640 need to get through this. It's been a 6205 03:55:52,640 --> 03:55:53,199 long time coming. 6206 03:55:53,199 --> 03:55:54,800 >> I think an hour would do it. 6207 03:55:54,800 --> 03:55:56,560 >> The reason it's been put at the end is 6208 03:55:56,560 --> 03:55:57,840 so Steve can leave. 6209 03:55:57,840 --> 03:55:59,840 >> No, I know. And so we could tell Steve 6210 03:55:59,840 --> 03:56:02,560 like you don't need to come until 6. 6211 03:56:02,560 --> 03:56:04,960 >> Yeah. And so maybe we just do that so we 6212 03:56:04,960 --> 03:56:07,120 can get to it because I don't know. 6213 03:56:07,120 --> 03:56:08,000 >> I would say all 6214 03:56:08,000 --> 03:56:09,279 >> I should have more faith in you guys 6215 03:56:09,279 --> 03:56:12,000 that we go faster, but I I feel like 6216 03:56:12,000 --> 03:56:13,840 it's important that we need to do it. So 6217 03:56:13,840 --> 03:56:14,319 let's 6218 03:56:14,319 --> 03:56:16,319 >> The budget is the most complicated and 6219 03:56:16,319 --> 03:56:17,520 it has a plan [clears throat] for an 6220 03:56:17,520 --> 03:56:19,600 entire year. So it is 6221 03:56:19,600 --> 03:56:22,479 >> and it was messy this year. So 6222 03:56:22,479 --> 03:56:24,000 >> our meetings are going to get shorter. I 6223 03:56:24,000 --> 03:56:25,199 know it. 6224 03:56:25,199 --> 03:56:27,040 >> Maybe we can cancel a meeting like last 6225 03:56:27,040 --> 03:56:27,359 year. 6226 03:56:27,359 --> 03:56:28,080 >> Almost six months. 6227 03:56:28,080 --> 03:56:30,000 >> I doubt it. 6228 03:56:30,000 --> 03:56:31,600 >> Okay, they haven't gotten shorter. 6229 03:56:31,600 --> 03:56:33,439 Really quick, we're not doing part two 6230 03:56:33,439 --> 03:56:35,359 like we were planning. We're doing part 6231 03:56:35,359 --> 03:56:36,560 three. 6232 03:56:36,560 --> 03:56:38,080 >> We're only doing the design guide. 6233 03:56:38,080 --> 03:56:39,520 >> That's correct. That's part three. 6234 03:56:39,520 --> 03:56:40,319 >> That's correct. 6235 03:56:40,319 --> 03:56:42,479 >> Can you tell us? 6236 03:56:42,479 --> 03:56:42,960 >> Yeah. 6237 03:56:42,960 --> 03:56:46,080 Um, so let's just jump to it. So, 6238 03:56:46,080 --> 03:56:48,080 yeah, as Sarah was just saying, we're 6239 03:56:48,080 --> 03:56:49,359 looking at part three, which is the 6240 03:56:49,359 --> 03:56:50,800 yellow here. So, the street design 6241 03:56:50,800 --> 03:56:52,319 guidelines 6242 03:56:52,319 --> 03:56:54,399 and appendix B if we want to do that as 6243 03:56:54,399 --> 03:56:57,439 well, which I'm guessing we we will. 6244 03:56:57,439 --> 03:57:11,110 So, that will take us down to 6245 03:57:11,120 --> 03:57:11,840 Right. 6246 03:57:11,840 --> 03:57:14,800 >> Page 66 in the 6247 03:57:14,800 --> 03:57:16,160 >> This is page 66. 6248 03:57:16,160 --> 03:57:17,040 >> Yep. 6249 03:57:17,040 --> 03:57:20,640 >> Page 66. Thanks. 6250 03:57:20,640 --> 03:57:22,160 And I'll admit I'm less prepared to talk 6251 03:57:22,160 --> 03:57:23,279 about this as the other one today 6252 03:57:23,279 --> 03:57:24,399 because that was what I was spending 6253 03:57:24,399 --> 03:57:26,560 most of my time doing as the other part. 6254 03:57:26,560 --> 03:57:28,000 But that's all right. This is pretty 6255 03:57:28,000 --> 03:57:30,080 easy as well for because it's just about 6256 03:57:30,080 --> 03:57:32,720 great urban design principles 6257 03:57:32,720 --> 03:57:35,520 which I love. So 6258 03:57:35,520 --> 03:57:39,030 um so 6259 03:57:39,040 --> 03:57:41,199 just understand as we've was talked 6260 03:57:41,199 --> 03:57:42,880 about earlier in the meeting these will 6261 03:57:42,880 --> 03:57:44,960 replace the historic gateway design 6262 03:57:44,960 --> 03:57:47,279 guidelines that currently exist. That is 6263 03:57:47,279 --> 03:57:50,880 the intended outcome of this. Um and 6264 03:57:50,880 --> 03:57:52,720 they are intended to enhance those 6265 03:57:52,720 --> 03:57:54,880 current historic gateway design 6266 03:57:54,880 --> 03:57:57,520 guidelines. um not take away from them 6267 03:57:57,520 --> 03:57:59,680 but enhance them and make them maybe 6268 03:57:59,680 --> 03:58:03,520 more strict or uh more conducive to a a 6269 03:58:03,520 --> 03:58:05,040 great public realm and urban 6270 03:58:05,040 --> 03:58:08,870 environment. 6271 03:58:08,880 --> 03:58:11,279 And I think it's important to note too 6272 03:58:11,279 --> 03:58:14,000 that our goal with this small area plan 6273 03:58:14,000 --> 03:58:16,800 is to not only just preserve buildings, 6274 03:58:16,800 --> 03:58:19,359 have good-looking architecture, but as 6275 03:58:19,359 --> 03:58:23,600 you all know, we want to uh move towards 6276 03:58:23,600 --> 03:58:26,479 a broader multimodal mixeduse urban 6277 03:58:26,479 --> 03:58:28,880 design structure in our in our gateway 6278 03:58:28,880 --> 03:58:32,000 quarters and our on our main street. So, 6279 03:58:32,000 --> 03:58:34,319 um I I guess I'll just go through this 6280 03:58:34,319 --> 03:58:37,120 whole part of the design guidelines. um 6281 03:58:37,120 --> 03:58:40,399 with uh the parts I noticed and then 6282 03:58:40,399 --> 03:58:42,560 I'll give it back to the council and the 6283 03:58:42,560 --> 03:58:44,479 mayor to to talk about it and any 6284 03:58:44,479 --> 03:58:46,979 changes you want to see here. 6285 03:58:46,979 --> 03:58:48,319 [clears throat] So this first part is 6286 03:58:48,319 --> 03:58:51,600 just the design guidelines sections. 6287 03:58:51,600 --> 03:58:53,840 So build form and massing. We're looking 6288 03:58:53,840 --> 03:58:56,720 at um the types of structures we really 6289 03:58:56,720 --> 03:59:00,000 want to see in in this area on our main 6290 03:59:00,000 --> 03:59:03,120 street and in the town core. um good 6291 03:59:03,120 --> 03:59:05,840 building articulation, building entries, 6292 03:59:05,840 --> 03:59:08,239 how they should be laid out, um the 6293 03:59:08,239 --> 03:59:12,640 setbacks, um and you know, I I would 6294 03:59:12,640 --> 03:59:14,319 even say setbacks could be smaller than 6295 03:59:14,319 --> 03:59:15,840 this, but this is of course just a 6296 03:59:15,840 --> 03:59:17,600 guiding document. So, that will be 6297 03:59:17,600 --> 03:59:20,000 something you can consider later um as 6298 03:59:20,000 --> 03:59:22,160 it goes to be codified. But 6299 03:59:22,160 --> 03:59:24,160 >> well, I have talked to a couple of 6300 03:59:24,160 --> 03:59:26,080 property property owners along Main 6301 03:59:26,080 --> 03:59:30,399 Street and um they would like some 6302 03:59:30,399 --> 03:59:32,479 flexibility on the setbacks. They're 6303 03:59:32,479 --> 03:59:36,160 concerned that um if you have that large 6304 03:59:36,160 --> 03:59:38,800 of a front setpack that they wouldn't 6305 03:59:38,800 --> 03:59:40,560 have enough room in the back of the 6306 03:59:40,560 --> 03:59:44,319 building for parking and for um you know 6307 03:59:44,319 --> 03:59:47,040 if you are doing a food service having 6308 03:59:47,040 --> 03:59:49,439 delivery trucks go around the back and 6309 03:59:49,439 --> 03:59:50,880 be able to turn around and come back 6310 03:59:50,880 --> 03:59:52,399 that they're just kind of looking at the 6311 03:59:52,399 --> 03:59:55,040 logistics of it. Um because I know that 6312 03:59:55,040 --> 03:59:56,640 when we were working with the 6313 03:59:56,640 --> 03:59:58,640 consultants and even talking with the 6314 03:59:58,640 --> 04:00:00,239 public, everybody liked the larger 6315 04:00:00,239 --> 04:00:03,760 setbacks, but I think in dealing with 6316 04:00:03,760 --> 04:00:07,199 the logistics of running a business that 6317 04:00:07,199 --> 04:00:09,760 um they were finding it that it was a 6318 04:00:09,760 --> 04:00:13,760 little bit too restrictive. 6319 04:00:13,760 --> 04:00:15,920 >> I would agree 100% with that. Um 6320 04:00:15,920 --> 04:00:17,279 >> and that was brought up in the planning 6321 04:00:17,279 --> 04:00:18,960 commission too from all from several of 6322 04:00:18,960 --> 04:00:21,600 those residents. And it's different for 6323 04:00:21,600 --> 04:00:23,199 the town center and main street civic 6324 04:00:23,199 --> 04:00:26,319 and mixed use, right? Correct. Recommend 6325 04:00:26,319 --> 04:00:27,040 setbacks. 6326 04:00:27,040 --> 04:00:29,199 >> So I would just yeah I would defer to to 6327 04:00:29,199 --> 04:00:31,760 staff to figure out what the what the 6328 04:00:31,760 --> 04:00:34,399 best alternative is for setbacks that 6329 04:00:34,399 --> 04:00:36,080 would accommodate 6330 04:00:36,080 --> 04:00:38,160 >> those de those land owners from be able 6331 04:00:38,160 --> 04:00:41,359 to pencil their their proposed future 6332 04:00:41,359 --> 04:00:43,279 projects. 6333 04:00:43,279 --> 04:00:44,960 >> Appreciate that. Yeah, I I agree 6334 04:00:44,960 --> 04:00:46,399 wholeheartedly with both those comments 6335 04:00:46,399 --> 04:00:48,960 and um the good thing is yeah, with this 6336 04:00:48,960 --> 04:00:51,600 being a guiding document um those can be 6337 04:00:51,600 --> 04:00:54,239 adjusted as as time goes on and as we 6338 04:00:54,239 --> 04:00:56,880 see fit, but I agree that um setbacks 6339 04:00:56,880 --> 04:01:00,239 should be flexible in this space. So, 6340 04:01:00,239 --> 04:01:02,319 just to finish off this page here. So, 6341 04:01:02,319 --> 04:01:04,239 what remains the same as the historic 6342 04:01:04,239 --> 04:01:06,880 gateway down here at the bottom. Um, 6343 04:01:06,880 --> 04:01:08,640 there's respect for adjacent building 6344 04:01:08,640 --> 04:01:10,960 scale, masking orientation, great 6345 04:01:10,960 --> 04:01:12,880 orientation towards the street, which is 6346 04:01:12,880 --> 04:01:16,080 key, and then avoiding large interrupted 6347 04:01:16,080 --> 04:01:19,120 uninterrupted building widths. And so 6348 04:01:19,120 --> 04:01:21,920 what's what's new with these guidelines 6349 04:01:21,920 --> 04:01:24,479 is precise front and side setbacks which 6350 04:01:24,479 --> 04:01:26,479 we just discussed can be adjusted 6351 04:01:26,479 --> 04:01:28,000 building length and articulation 6352 04:01:28,000 --> 04:01:30,720 requirements and then maximum distance 6353 04:01:30,720 --> 04:01:32,960 between building entries. So I'll just 6354 04:01:32,960 --> 04:01:34,640 go to the renderings that they have 6355 04:01:34,640 --> 04:01:36,319 describing 6356 04:01:36,319 --> 04:01:37,600 those. 6357 04:01:37,600 --> 04:01:39,279 >> Can we just back up one half a second 6358 04:01:39,279 --> 04:01:42,000 and remind me town center where does 6359 04:01:42,000 --> 04:01:45,520 that begin versus um main street mixed 6360 04:01:45,520 --> 04:01:47,680 use? Like these are two different See 6361 04:01:47,680 --> 04:01:49,040 how there's two different columns? So, 6362 04:01:49,040 --> 04:01:50,479 can you can you remind me where the 6363 04:01:50,479 --> 04:01:52,080 character areas are? 6364 04:01:52,080 --> 04:01:54,880 >> Right here is the the map for that. 6365 04:01:54,880 --> 04:01:56,160 >> Is that center street? 6366 04:01:56,160 --> 04:01:58,560 >> So, everything north of us here at city 6367 04:01:58,560 --> 04:02:01,120 hall up to 6368 04:02:01,120 --> 04:02:03,520 >> mattress. Purple mattress. Mhm. Yeah. 6369 04:02:03,520 --> 04:02:06,800 >> Is on is is on the left or in the middle 6370 04:02:06,800 --> 04:02:08,319 column in the far right. 6371 04:02:08,319 --> 04:02:10,960 >> They would have shown setbacks, right? 6372 04:02:10,960 --> 04:02:12,399 >> Yes. Civic. 6373 04:02:12,399 --> 04:02:14,560 >> No, they would be the larger. That's a 6374 04:02:14,560 --> 04:02:17,439 20 ft and then Town Center is 15, I 6375 04:02:17,439 --> 04:02:18,640 believe. Yes. 6376 04:02:18,640 --> 04:02:22,560 >> But we're saying you want to make the middle column our [clears throat] 6377 04:02:22,560 --> 04:02:25,120 main street um 6378 04:02:25,120 --> 04:02:27,680 mimicked town center then bring down the 6379 04:02:27,680 --> 04:02:28,800 setbacks 6380 04:02:28,800 --> 04:02:30,160 >> 15 20. [clears throat] Yeah, 6381 04:02:30,160 --> 04:02:32,080 >> I think potentially again this is just a 6382 04:02:32,080 --> 04:02:33,840 guiding document. So we could recommend 6383 04:02:33,840 --> 04:02:35,439 that change to the consultant to put 6384 04:02:35,439 --> 04:02:39,600 that in there. um or even just verbiage 6385 04:02:39,600 --> 04:02:45,279 that says keep this flexible as um as we 6386 04:02:45,279 --> 04:02:48,479 just we see fit to to implement. Um 6387 04:02:48,479 --> 04:02:50,239 >> I mean whatever we set it at, I'm sure 6388 04:02:50,239 --> 04:02:52,000 that's what they're going to go to. No 6389 04:02:52,000 --> 04:02:54,479 one's going to go more. I don't think 6390 04:02:54,479 --> 04:02:55,040 imagine. 6391 04:02:55,040 --> 04:02:56,479 >> Yeah, people will match the lowest 6392 04:02:56,479 --> 04:02:58,479 setback. Yeah, we do need to keep that 6393 04:02:58,479 --> 04:03:00,239 in mind so that when you're saying that 6394 04:03:00,239 --> 04:03:02,399 it's flexible, it's really once it's 6395 04:03:02,399 --> 04:03:05,040 said, I can't imagine someone 6396 04:03:05,040 --> 04:03:07,359 >> arbitrarily choosing um to give that 6397 04:03:07,359 --> 04:03:08,399 space up. 6398 04:03:08,399 --> 04:03:10,080 >> Are we just trying to chime in just 6399 04:03:10,080 --> 04:03:11,600 whenever? Are we doing the whole thing 6400 04:03:11,600 --> 04:03:13,279 one by one? I I mean, it's fine either 6401 04:03:13,279 --> 04:03:14,720 way. We just want to chime in. 6402 04:03:14,720 --> 04:03:16,720 >> We hit topics. I'm not sure. Go ahead. 6403 04:03:16,720 --> 04:03:17,840 >> Yeah, I think that's fine. That's fine 6404 04:03:17,840 --> 04:03:18,160 with me. 6405 04:03:18,160 --> 04:03:19,040 >> Go ahead. I'll go. 6406 04:03:19,040 --> 04:03:19,920 >> Actually, you know what? I'm going to 6407 04:03:19,920 --> 04:03:21,439 interrupt you guys. You know what? I'm 6408 04:03:21,439 --> 04:03:24,000 gonna also excuse the Chiefs. Um Chiefs, 6409 04:03:24,000 --> 04:03:25,439 thank you so much for being here. We 6410 04:03:25,439 --> 04:03:27,040 appreciate your time. 6411 04:03:27,040 --> 04:03:30,319 and um and enduring with us tonight. But 6412 04:03:30,319 --> 04:03:33,199 I'm going to let you guys go and um 6413 04:03:33,199 --> 04:03:34,479 >> unless they want to go back to your 6414 04:03:34,479 --> 04:03:34,960 families, 6415 04:03:34,960 --> 04:03:36,560 >> you can stay for communications if you 6416 04:03:36,560 --> 04:03:38,080 >> I mean, if you have any updates for us, 6417 04:03:38,080 --> 04:03:39,680 we would love to hear it. Otherwise, 6418 04:03:39,680 --> 04:03:45,030 you're free to go. 6419 04:03:45,040 --> 04:03:46,800 » I'll just be really quick. I visited the 6420 04:03:46,800 --> 04:03:50,720 poppies this afternoon. We do have the 6421 04:03:50,720 --> 04:03:52,479 camera trailer that will be delivered on 6422 04:03:52,479 --> 04:03:54,640 the 1st and will be up there for the 6423 04:03:54,640 --> 04:03:57,359 majority of the month. We do lose it for 6424 04:03:57,359 --> 04:03:59,120 a couple of days in the second week of 6425 04:03:59,120 --> 04:04:00,800 June. It will be in norm for their 6426 04:04:00,800 --> 04:04:02,399 festivities and then we'll get it back. 6427 04:04:02,399 --> 04:04:05,199 So, but our officers will be up in in 6428 04:04:05,199 --> 04:04:06,560 and out of there throughout the month. 6429 04:04:06,560 --> 04:04:07,279 So, 6430 04:04:07,279 --> 04:04:09,040 >> thank you, Chief. Appreciate it. 6431 04:04:09,040 --> 04:04:13,590 >> Thank you. 6432 04:04:13,600 --> 04:04:15,279 » Chief and I were just barely discussing 6433 04:04:15,279 --> 04:04:18,960 our fee schedule for after 10:00 council 6434 04:04:18,960 --> 04:04:22,880 meetings. So, that was well timed. 6435 04:04:22,880 --> 04:04:24,800 Also, I would just like to point out 6436 04:04:24,800 --> 04:04:27,680 there is no raised crosswalks in 6437 04:04:27,680 --> 04:04:28,880 Highland. 6438 04:04:28,880 --> 04:04:31,199 >> They're not raised. They're just painted 6439 04:04:31,199 --> 04:04:31,760 over there. 6440 04:04:31,760 --> 04:04:34,000 >> I drove over it. 6441 04:04:34,000 --> 04:04:36,000 >> Well, unless it's brand new. 6442 04:04:36,000 --> 04:04:38,560 >> Well, uh, what's the guy's name? Doug. 6443 04:04:38,560 --> 04:04:39,920 He told me there were two and the one 6444 04:04:39,920 --> 04:04:41,199 that's closest to us, I went and drove 6445 04:04:41,199 --> 04:04:42,000 it. I went over. 6446 04:04:42,000 --> 04:04:42,399 >> Where is it? 6447 04:04:42,399 --> 04:04:44,800 >> They're right over. 6448 04:04:44,800 --> 04:04:45,920 >> Is it temporary? 6449 04:04:45,920 --> 04:04:48,160 >> No. 6450 04:04:48,160 --> 04:04:50,640 It's right by that park right over here 6451 04:04:50,640 --> 04:04:54,080 due west of us on the north end of 6452 04:04:54,080 --> 04:04:56,880 >> Beacon Hills. Does that sound familiar? 6453 04:04:56,880 --> 04:04:59,520 >> If it's in Beacon Hills, the one on I 6454 04:04:59,520 --> 04:04:59,680 drove 6455 04:04:59,680 --> 04:05:02,399 >> over the one on Canal is was the one I 6456 04:05:02,399 --> 04:05:03,040 thought you were talking about. 6457 04:05:03,040 --> 04:05:04,479 >> No, no, no. That's That's one of their 6458 04:05:04,479 --> 04:05:05,359 new curb extensions. 6459 04:05:05,359 --> 04:05:06,000 >> Just Yeah, 6460 04:05:06,000 --> 04:05:07,680 >> that's a curb extension. The one on 6461 04:05:07,680 --> 04:05:10,319 11800 North by the elementary school is 6462 04:05:10,319 --> 04:05:11,760 just a curb extension. 6463 04:05:11,760 --> 04:05:13,439 >> The one by the park in the residential 6464 04:05:13,439 --> 04:05:15,680 neighborhood is definitely a 6465 04:05:15,680 --> 04:05:17,600 >> I haven't been up there. Can you give us 6466 04:05:17,600 --> 04:05:18,640 an address? 6467 04:05:18,640 --> 04:05:19,600 >> I did before, but 6468 04:05:19,600 --> 04:05:21,279 >> one of the things in the email that we 6469 04:05:21,279 --> 04:05:23,359 had a extensive conversation about with 6470 04:05:23,359 --> 04:05:25,279 Highland is 6471 04:05:25,279 --> 04:05:27,120 >> you guys come on 6472 04:05:27,120 --> 04:05:31,040 >> how slow it is for us in an 80,000lb 6473 04:05:31,040 --> 04:05:33,439 truck to come to almost a stop and get 6474 04:05:33,439 --> 04:05:35,199 going again. So, we're slowing our 6475 04:05:35,199 --> 04:05:36,560 response times, not to mention working 6476 04:05:36,560 --> 04:05:38,319 in the back of an ambulance and going 6477 04:05:38,319 --> 04:05:41,120 over speed bumps. We spent well for 6478 04:05:41,120 --> 04:05:43,760 however many years we had Cedar Hills 6479 04:05:43,760 --> 04:05:45,840 and Cedar Hills is full of them. It does 6480 04:05:45,840 --> 04:05:49,439 impact that. So, just a thought. 6481 04:05:49,439 --> 04:05:51,600 >> I've noticed Cedar Hill has a lot less 6482 04:05:51,600 --> 04:05:52,319 than they used to. 6483 04:05:52,319 --> 04:05:53,359 >> Yeah, they took them out. 6484 04:05:53,359 --> 04:05:54,479 >> Yeah, I went through I was like, "Oh, 6485 04:05:54,479 --> 04:05:55,279 they're gone." 6486 04:05:55,279 --> 04:05:58,000 >> But they kept their cement crosswalk. 6487 04:05:58,000 --> 04:05:59,279 >> You should go to Ireland where I just 6488 04:05:59,279 --> 04:06:00,560 was. They're everywhere. 6489 04:06:00,560 --> 04:06:01,520 >> Chief, have you 6490 04:06:01,520 --> 04:06:02,560 >> There must be a lot of danger. 6491 04:06:02,560 --> 04:06:04,319 >> I can ask after more. I'd love to talk 6492 04:06:04,319 --> 04:06:05,680 more about this because I've seen 6493 04:06:05,680 --> 04:06:06,000 different 6494 04:06:06,000 --> 04:06:06,880 >> I'm not going to wait till this 6495 04:06:06,880 --> 04:06:07,439 meeting's over. 6496 04:06:07,439 --> 04:06:10,080 >> Not this one. Another day. Uh, have you 6497 04:06:10,080 --> 04:06:11,760 seen the square ones that don't straddle 6498 04:06:11,760 --> 04:06:12,960 the whole road? Have you ever driven 6499 04:06:12,960 --> 04:06:14,640 over one of those where 6500 04:06:14,640 --> 04:06:16,239 >> you can straddle them, you don't have to 6501 04:06:16,239 --> 04:06:17,760 slow down. Does that help? 6502 04:06:17,760 --> 04:06:20,080 >> I mean, it definitely helps. I think 6503 04:06:20,080 --> 04:06:22,000 you're you're going to slow down 6504 04:06:22,000 --> 04:06:23,040 >> just a little bit though. 6505 04:06:23,040 --> 04:06:24,960 >> A little bit. But yeah, definitely. And 6506 04:06:24,960 --> 04:06:27,520 the other thing those there's a lot of 6507 04:06:27,520 --> 04:06:29,279 those in Northern California. 6508 04:06:29,279 --> 04:06:30,479 >> I was in Cincinnati. They were 6509 04:06:30,479 --> 04:06:31,359 everywhere. And I was like, what are 6510 04:06:31,359 --> 04:06:32,880 people doing squares in the road? And I 6511 04:06:32,880 --> 04:06:34,720 was like, oh, so you can fly through 6512 04:06:34,720 --> 04:06:37,040 them if you are 6513 04:06:37,040 --> 04:06:38,000 okay to do that. 6514 04:06:38,000 --> 04:06:39,920 >> Right. The other thing that we worry 6515 04:06:39,920 --> 04:06:42,239 about with speed bumps is it's really 6516 04:06:42,239 --> 04:06:43,680 hard on our apparatus, 6517 04:06:43,680 --> 04:06:44,640 >> right? These ones, I don't know if you 6518 04:06:44,640 --> 04:06:45,920 know, they go in between, but you can 6519 04:06:45,920 --> 04:06:47,680 straddle them. You can straddle them. 6520 04:06:47,680 --> 04:06:49,760 So, they're only for peak cars, but not 6521 04:06:49,760 --> 04:06:51,840 for uh bigger vehicles. 6522 04:06:51,840 --> 04:06:54,000 >> But you have to call them speed lumps. 6523 04:06:54,000 --> 04:06:56,880 >> Yeah, sure. Lumps. I don't lump. I hate both words. 6524 04:06:56,880 --> 04:06:57,600 >> Thank you, Chief. 6525 04:06:57,600 --> 04:06:58,960 Okay, great. Great to 6526 04:06:58,960 --> 04:07:02,239 see you. Good luck with all your work. 6527 04:07:02,239 --> 04:07:03,680 >> Okay, are we ready to continue? 6528 04:07:03,680 --> 04:07:07,199 >> Yes. Okay. So, yeah, we discussed this 6529 04:07:07,199 --> 04:07:10,800 um and yeah, feel free to jump in, I 6530 04:07:10,800 --> 04:07:12,479 guess, whenever uh or at the end 6531 04:07:12,479 --> 04:07:13,920 whenever. Um 6532 04:07:13,920 --> 04:07:16,880 >> I I just want to give just a a tiny bit. 6533 04:07:16,880 --> 04:07:19,279 It was one of our uh committee members 6534 04:07:19,279 --> 04:07:21,920 who wanted that. I think the original 6535 04:07:21,920 --> 04:07:24,239 was closer to what you're saying, but 6536 04:07:24,239 --> 04:07:25,920 they felt like this is a transition 6537 04:07:25,920 --> 04:07:28,960 period or space from commercial to 6538 04:07:28,960 --> 04:07:30,640 residential. So, it was like halfway 6539 04:07:30,640 --> 04:07:32,880 between. But what is our residential 6540 04:07:32,880 --> 04:07:35,920 setback? Isn't it 6541 04:07:35,920 --> 04:07:37,199 >> 30 feet? Um, 6542 04:07:37,199 --> 04:07:38,479 >> so this goes even 6543 04:07:38,479 --> 04:07:39,359 >> is the general one. 6544 04:07:39,359 --> 04:07:41,520 >> So it's half it's like it's so it's 6545 04:07:41,520 --> 04:07:43,439 graduated. I just want to explain. I'm 6546 04:07:43,439 --> 04:07:46,479 not saying that I agree but um I don't 6547 04:07:46,479 --> 04:07:48,239 one way or the other but it it goes like 6548 04:07:48,239 --> 04:07:51,199 from 15t is town center then it goes to 6549 04:07:51,199 --> 04:07:53,920 20 feet in this mixed use and then it 6550 04:07:53,920 --> 04:07:55,040 goes all the way to 30 in the 6551 04:07:55,040 --> 04:07:57,120 residential. That was the discussion 6552 04:07:57,120 --> 04:07:58,399 whether or not we keep it or not is up 6553 04:07:58,399 --> 04:07:58,720 to us. 6554 04:07:58,720 --> 04:08:02,319 >> Is it 30 for quarter acre lots also? 6555 04:08:02,319 --> 04:08:04,319 That is a little bit smaller. Um 6556 04:08:04,319 --> 04:08:07,199 >> it was like 24 quarter acre lots. Is it 6557 04:08:07,199 --> 04:08:09,600 >> on residential 10,000 I think is 20 6558 04:08:09,600 --> 04:08:11,600 >> foot front 20 foot rear. 6559 04:08:11,600 --> 04:08:12,640 >> Oh 20 foot rear. 6560 04:08:12,640 --> 04:08:15,439 >> Okay. Okay. For for 10,000 ft also. 6561 04:08:15,439 --> 04:08:18,479 >> Yes. And then the sides are uh minimum 6562 04:08:18,479 --> 04:08:20,560 10 aggregate of 22. 6563 04:08:20,560 --> 04:08:20,960 >> Okay. 6564 04:08:20,960 --> 04:08:22,640 >> Again this is our business commercial 6565 04:08:22,640 --> 04:08:24,800 and I think it's really important to get 6566 04:08:24,800 --> 04:08:27,520 keep parking off of Main Street. I just 6567 04:08:27,520 --> 04:08:31,279 think it creates too much danger and it 6568 04:08:31,279 --> 04:08:32,399 doesn't allow them to have the space 6569 04:08:32,399 --> 04:08:33,840 they need to be able to pencil their 6570 04:08:33,840 --> 04:08:36,000 projects is what they've their feedback. 6571 04:08:36,000 --> 04:08:37,279 >> Oh yeah, I'm not opposed. I was just 6572 04:08:37,279 --> 04:08:40,399 giving you context so I was there. Yeah. 6573 04:08:40,399 --> 04:08:40,720 >> Okay. 6574 04:08:40,720 --> 04:08:42,880 >> Um on this section I had something I so 6575 04:08:42,880 --> 04:08:45,680 to be honest I I prepared for the middle 6576 04:08:45,680 --> 04:08:47,680 section before this. I thought that's 6577 04:08:47,680 --> 04:08:48,720 >> I did as well. Don't worry. 6578 04:08:48,720 --> 04:08:50,960 >> I think we all did. Yeah. This 6579 04:08:50,960 --> 04:08:52,479 >> a broader question that will get this 6580 04:08:52,479 --> 04:08:54,080 done quicker for Andrew's all of his 6581 04:08:54,080 --> 04:08:57,279 thoughts. uh when we look at these, can 6582 04:08:57,279 --> 04:08:59,920 we send uh comments and suggestions 6583 04:08:59,920 --> 04:09:02,000 after the fact? We're not motioning 6584 04:09:02,000 --> 04:09:03,680 anything tonight on this section. 6585 04:09:03,680 --> 04:09:05,279 >> Make sure that you do it so that 6586 04:09:05,279 --> 04:09:05,840 >> quickly. 6587 04:09:05,840 --> 04:09:06,399 >> Yeah. 6588 04:09:06,399 --> 04:09:08,560 >> Okay. Because all my questions, 6589 04:09:08,560 --> 04:09:10,720 thoughts, and things to pass on were for 6590 04:09:10,720 --> 04:09:12,880 the section that it was noted down to go 6591 04:09:12,880 --> 04:09:14,800 over, which is section two, the 6592 04:09:14,800 --> 04:09:17,520 corridors and the roads. Um but since 6593 04:09:17,520 --> 04:09:18,880 we're going over this, I do have one 6594 04:09:18,880 --> 04:09:22,000 question. Um, and it's more of a because 6595 04:09:22,000 --> 04:09:23,439 I've only read this once, but I now 6596 04:09:23,439 --> 04:09:25,840 we're coming back to this. So, this this 6597 04:09:25,840 --> 04:09:29,279 image we have on all these pages, this 6598 04:09:29,279 --> 04:09:30,479 basically looks like an apartment 6599 04:09:30,479 --> 04:09:33,279 complex. Am I Am I missing something? 6600 04:09:33,279 --> 04:09:35,279 >> These are just renderings. I think it 6601 04:09:35,279 --> 04:09:38,160 actually says as much right here as a 6602 04:09:38,160 --> 04:09:40,399 disclaimer. Building forms shown in the 6603 04:09:40,399 --> 04:09:41,920 following pages are not characteristic 6604 04:09:41,920 --> 04:09:44,319 of allowed building forms. They're used 6605 04:09:44,319 --> 04:09:45,760 simply to illustrate the features being 6606 04:09:45,760 --> 04:09:46,720 specified. 6607 04:09:46,720 --> 04:09:48,479 >> Okay. So, are we should we tell them 6608 04:09:48,479 --> 04:09:50,720 that we actually want things that 6609 04:09:50,720 --> 04:09:52,319 drawings and things that are going to 6610 04:09:52,319 --> 04:09:54,000 look like what we would actually want as 6611 04:09:54,000 --> 04:09:56,960 examples and not the bad examples? 6612 04:09:56,960 --> 04:09:59,600 >> Cuz I mean, uh, this is the type of 6613 04:09:59,600 --> 04:10:05,040 thing that people would not want that building right there. Um, and so 6614 04:10:05,040 --> 04:10:06,479 I'm just wondering if we put this in 6615 04:10:06,479 --> 04:10:08,800 this that's going to feel like that's 6616 04:10:08,800 --> 04:10:11,439 what we're aiming for. So, should we 6617 04:10:11,439 --> 04:10:13,279 give them feedback of what kind of 6618 04:10:13,279 --> 04:10:15,840 drawings and uh, architecture they do 6619 04:10:15,840 --> 04:10:17,359 want? 6620 04:10:17,359 --> 04:10:18,880 I think that'd be fine if you want to 6621 04:10:18,880 --> 04:10:20,000 send me 6622 04:10:20,000 --> 04:10:20,800 >> pictures and stuff 6623 04:10:20,800 --> 04:10:22,640 >> examples. Sure. And I can ask the 6624 04:10:22,640 --> 04:10:24,160 consultant if we can include that. 6625 04:10:24,160 --> 04:10:25,760 >> Does that look like apartment building? 6626 04:10:25,760 --> 04:10:27,199 >> Yeah. So, I don't know about the design, 6627 04:10:27,199 --> 04:10:29,040 but the intent is to have mixed use 6628 04:10:29,040 --> 04:10:31,600 where you have retail such as a 6629 04:10:31,600 --> 04:10:33,840 restaurant, a bakery on the bottom floor 6630 04:10:33,840 --> 04:10:37,760 with a residential unit on the top. And 6631 04:10:37,760 --> 04:10:38,080 the 6632 04:10:38,080 --> 04:10:40,080 >> So, maybe we could hearken to more of 6633 04:10:40,080 --> 04:10:41,760 that than the classic apartment 6634 04:10:41,760 --> 04:10:42,560 building. 6635 04:10:42,560 --> 04:10:43,840 >> Yeah, there's a few renderings right 6636 04:10:43,840 --> 04:10:46,080 here. Jason just pointed out to me that 6637 04:10:46,080 --> 04:10:47,760 show kind of what they're they're 6638 04:10:47,760 --> 04:10:48,560 thinking about. 6639 04:10:48,560 --> 04:10:49,840 >> Okay. Well, the only note to pass on 6640 04:10:49,840 --> 04:10:51,680 then is uh because that's what we're 6641 04:10:51,680 --> 04:10:52,800 doing right now, right? Passing on 6642 04:10:52,800 --> 04:10:54,080 suggestions that will ultimately get 6643 04:10:54,080 --> 04:10:55,359 back to the the review. 6644 04:10:55,359 --> 04:10:56,800 >> Yeah. And if you could send those to me 6645 04:10:56,800 --> 04:10:59,120 over email, all of that that 6646 04:10:59,120 --> 04:11:02,560 >> just inest it's to make the 6647 04:11:02,560 --> 04:11:04,960 >> Yeah, we can send all the just inest 6648 04:11:04,960 --> 04:11:06,560 right now if it's passed on is just to 6649 04:11:06,560 --> 04:11:09,439 make the uh drawings actually emulate 6650 04:11:09,439 --> 04:11:11,279 what we're looking for. Not like you 6651 04:11:11,279 --> 04:11:12,880 know apartment buildings on the side of 6652 04:11:12,880 --> 04:11:14,239 the highway. 6653 04:11:14,239 --> 04:11:16,640 So 6654 04:11:16,640 --> 04:11:19,279 awesome. Thanks. All right. So moving on 6655 04:11:19,279 --> 04:11:20,800 from this, um yeah, let's just look at 6656 04:11:20,800 --> 04:11:24,000 these few examples. Um I I think this is 6657 04:11:24,000 --> 04:11:27,680 a great uh added point here. Minimize 6658 04:11:27,680 --> 04:11:30,479 blank walls. So there's a maximum place 6659 04:11:30,479 --> 04:11:32,800 there. Um 6660 04:11:32,800 --> 04:11:34,640 I think there is here as well. Yeah, 6661 04:11:34,640 --> 04:11:38,000 maximum 30 feet for the town center 6662 04:11:38,000 --> 04:11:41,040 uh character area and then 40T between 6663 04:11:41,040 --> 04:11:42,640 building entries. It's really trying to 6664 04:11:42,640 --> 04:11:45,520 maximize that public realm, making it a 6665 04:11:45,520 --> 04:11:46,960 really attractive and friendly built 6666 04:11:46,960 --> 04:11:50,080 environment for pedestrians. So, just um 6667 04:11:50,080 --> 04:11:53,199 kind of creating these guidelines to to 6668 04:11:53,199 --> 04:11:55,920 enhance that and not create these open 6669 04:11:55,920 --> 04:11:57,279 spaces where you feel like you're 6670 04:11:57,279 --> 04:11:58,640 wandering in the middle of nowhere when 6671 04:11:58,640 --> 04:12:00,479 you're out in the m out on Main Street, 6672 04:12:00,479 --> 04:12:02,319 right? So, you want to feel like you're 6673 04:12:02,319 --> 04:12:04,399 in a outdoor living room is how they say 6674 04:12:04,399 --> 04:12:06,160 it sometimes. 6675 04:12:06,160 --> 04:12:08,479 Um so, moving on to this next one. This 6676 04:12:08,479 --> 04:12:11,120 is talking about height. 6677 04:12:11,120 --> 04:12:13,199 um exterior walls and surfaces and 6678 04:12:13,199 --> 04:12:15,279 windows and doors. 6679 04:12:15,279 --> 04:12:17,600 So, what remains the same with the 6680 04:12:17,600 --> 04:12:20,239 current historic gateway guidelines, new 6681 04:12:20,239 --> 04:12:22,239 construction should respect historic 6682 04:12:22,239 --> 04:12:24,720 building heights and the same primary 6683 04:12:24,720 --> 04:12:26,720 materials are still encouraged in this 6684 04:12:26,720 --> 04:12:30,319 plan. Uh the differences height tied to 6685 04:12:30,319 --> 04:12:32,000 character areas is part of build form 6686 04:12:32,000 --> 04:12:33,439 expectations. So, the different 6687 04:12:33,439 --> 04:12:34,720 character areas have different height 6688 04:12:34,720 --> 04:12:38,160 requirements uh potentially or no, I 6689 04:12:38,160 --> 04:12:39,520 actually don't think that's on there. 6690 04:12:39,520 --> 04:12:41,359 Um, so I actually don't know what that 6691 04:12:41,359 --> 04:12:43,040 is. But then primary and secondary 6692 04:12:43,040 --> 04:12:44,800 materials introduced and fenistration 6693 04:12:44,800 --> 04:12:46,319 requirements. 6694 04:12:46,319 --> 04:12:48,479 Um, one thing I think that is good to 6695 04:12:48,479 --> 04:12:50,080 point out about the height, the six foot 6696 04:12:50,080 --> 04:12:52,160 step back after second story is a great 6697 04:12:52,160 --> 04:12:56,800 urban design principle. Um, and I know 6698 04:12:56,800 --> 04:12:58,080 Sarah and I have talked a little bit 6699 04:12:58,080 --> 04:13:03,040 about potential um, uh, height changes 6700 04:13:03,040 --> 04:13:05,439 in in certain areas of our city that 6701 04:13:05,439 --> 04:13:08,479 might make a more uh, better 6702 04:13:08,479 --> 04:13:12,960 transitionary areas or um, more uh, 6703 04:13:12,960 --> 04:13:16,239 friendly to current character attributes 6704 04:13:16,239 --> 04:13:18,239 of those areas. And I think one thing 6705 04:13:18,239 --> 04:13:20,159 besides just height alone is is what 6706 04:13:20,159 --> 04:13:21,760 they have there is stepbacks after 6707 04:13:21,760 --> 04:13:23,199 second stories, different things with 6708 04:13:23,199 --> 04:13:25,279 bulking and massing that we can look at 6709 04:13:25,279 --> 04:13:28,000 as we continue um evaluating those 6710 04:13:28,000 --> 04:13:29,199 opportunities. 6711 04:13:29,199 --> 04:13:31,840 >> So there was um a concern about the 6712 04:13:31,840 --> 04:13:34,479 setback um you know with the sixoot step 6713 04:13:34,479 --> 04:13:37,359 back like if we had a bad snowy air you 6714 04:13:37,359 --> 04:13:38,880 know if they're trying to clear their 6715 04:13:38,880 --> 04:13:41,439 front area do they just throw the snow 6716 04:13:41,439 --> 04:13:44,960 over onto Main Street? 6717 04:13:44,960 --> 04:13:48,000 Do you know what I mean? Um, they were 6718 04:13:48,000 --> 04:13:49,920 saying I forget what one of them was. 6719 04:13:49,920 --> 04:13:50,640 >> It's on the third floor. 6720 04:13:50,640 --> 04:13:51,760 >> It's on the second floor. 6721 04:13:51,760 --> 04:13:53,040 >> Third floor. 6722 04:13:53,040 --> 04:13:55,199 >> It's on the third floor. 6723 04:13:55,199 --> 04:13:56,800 >> Where what do they do with the snow? 6724 04:13:56,800 --> 04:13:57,760 >> Um, 6725 04:13:57,760 --> 04:13:59,359 >> this specifically was pointed out to us 6726 04:13:59,359 --> 04:14:01,680 by the designers of what the Ezra Lee 6727 04:14:01,680 --> 04:14:03,279 office buildings already have. 6728 04:14:03,279 --> 04:14:04,960 >> I totally think it's a great idea, but 6729 04:14:04,960 --> 04:14:06,319 >> but we could ask them what they do with 6730 04:14:06,319 --> 04:14:07,040 the snow. 6731 04:14:07,040 --> 04:14:07,359 >> Snow. 6732 04:14:07,359 --> 04:14:08,479 >> Well, because they're throwing it into 6733 04:14:08,479 --> 04:14:11,040 the parking lot. These people will be 6734 04:14:11,040 --> 04:14:14,080 throwing it onto Main Street. 6735 04:14:14,080 --> 04:14:16,239 So that's how that came about was 6736 04:14:16,239 --> 04:14:17,840 they're like, "Do you want people?" And 6737 04:14:17,840 --> 04:14:19,600 I'm like, "Well, we like the idea that 6738 04:14:19,600 --> 04:14:22,960 you don't have, you know, just a 6739 04:14:22,960 --> 04:14:24,640 straight three story that if it's going 6740 04:14:24,640 --> 04:14:26,159 to be more than two stories, you can 6741 04:14:26,159 --> 04:14:27,920 still have up to 34 feet and have it be 6742 04:14:27,920 --> 04:14:28,880 two stories, 6743 04:14:28,880 --> 04:14:29,920 >> but if you're going to have three 6744 04:14:29,920 --> 04:14:32,080 stories that it should be set back." No, 6745 04:14:32,080 --> 04:14:33,439 I totally think it's a good design 6746 04:14:33,439 --> 04:14:35,279 guideline, but they did bring up a 6747 04:14:35,279 --> 04:14:37,120 practicality of it. It's like, well, the 6748 04:14:37,120 --> 04:14:38,800 people at Ezra Lee, they throw it over 6749 04:14:38,800 --> 04:14:41,359 and it goes in the parking lot. if we I 6750 04:14:41,359 --> 04:14:43,359 mean this year obviously not an issue 6751 04:14:43,359 --> 04:14:45,520 because we hardly had any snow, but 6752 04:14:45,520 --> 04:14:47,920 they're like if we have a bad snowy year 6753 04:14:47,920 --> 04:14:49,600 like we have in the past and hopefully 6754 04:14:49,600 --> 04:14:52,080 we will 6755 04:14:52,080 --> 04:14:54,880 are you okay with these people throwing 6756 04:14:54,880 --> 04:14:58,479 the snow onto Main Street to get 6757 04:14:58,479 --> 04:15:00,000 >> I think they're under the same 6758 04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:02,800 guidelines as what you do do you do with 6759 04:15:02,800 --> 04:15:05,279 your snow like you don't throw it on a 6760 04:15:05,279 --> 04:15:07,199 sidewalk so they can't do that 6761 04:15:07,199 --> 04:15:09,600 >> but like on our homes we have we can 6762 04:15:09,600 --> 04:15:12,080 throw it onto our yard. They don't have 6763 04:15:12,080 --> 04:15:13,520 that, do they? 6764 04:15:13,520 --> 04:15:14,479 >> Well, where would they put their 6765 04:15:14,479 --> 04:15:15,279 sidewalk snow? 6766 04:15:15,279 --> 04:15:16,880 >> Well, it's 15 ft back, though. So, they 6767 04:15:16,880 --> 04:15:18,319 have 10 feet. They can put it directly 6768 04:15:18,319 --> 04:15:19,600 onto their 6769 04:15:19,600 --> 04:15:20,080 >> Yeah. 6770 04:15:20,080 --> 04:15:20,560 >> Okay. 6771 04:15:20,560 --> 04:15:23,040 >> I don't think it's a I hate to say it 6772 04:15:23,040 --> 04:15:24,560 because I wish we got more snow. I don't 6773 04:15:24,560 --> 04:15:26,319 think it's going to be a huge issue. Is 6774 04:15:26,319 --> 04:15:28,319 34 feet standard? Is that what we have 6775 04:15:28,319 --> 04:15:28,800 right now? 6776 04:15:28,800 --> 04:15:29,439 >> For height. 6777 04:15:29,439 --> 04:15:30,399 Okay. 6778 04:15:30,399 --> 04:15:31,439 >> Correct. Yeah. 6779 04:15:31,439 --> 04:15:36,640 >> Okay. But it is kind of subjective based off of what other buildings are 6780 04:15:36,640 --> 04:15:38,319 around, right? I mean, I feel like I 6781 04:15:38,319 --> 04:15:39,840 read that in there somewhere that the 6782 04:15:39,840 --> 04:15:41,680 height should also take into 6783 04:15:41,680 --> 04:15:43,439 consideration the height of the other 6784 04:15:43,439 --> 04:15:45,359 buildings surrounding it. Is that 6785 04:15:45,359 --> 04:15:47,359 >> ours is it's just the maximum allowable 6786 04:15:47,359 --> 04:15:48,640 in our ordinance for 6787 04:15:48,640 --> 04:15:49,279 >> Okay. 6788 04:15:49,279 --> 04:15:50,960 >> is 34 ft. That's why they have 6789 04:15:50,960 --> 04:15:52,239 >> I remember reading something like that 6790 04:15:52,239 --> 04:15:54,319 about the setback if a if a certain 6791 04:15:54,319 --> 04:15:55,920 building is set back farther than the 6792 04:15:55,920 --> 04:15:56,640 requirements 6793 04:15:56,640 --> 04:15:57,120 >> match. 6794 04:15:57,120 --> 04:15:59,199 >> They should match things like that. But 6795 04:15:59,199 --> 04:15:59,840 um 6796 04:15:59,840 --> 04:16:01,359 >> yeah. 6797 04:16:01,359 --> 04:16:03,840 >> And did Yuri go over the materials? 6798 04:16:03,840 --> 04:16:05,520 >> No, we can though. Um, 6799 04:16:05,520 --> 04:16:06,720 >> I think that's the important part for 6800 04:16:06,720 --> 04:16:07,439 the fire station, right? 6801 04:16:07,439 --> 04:16:09,359 >> Yeah, that's what I was looking in. 6802 04:16:09,359 --> 04:16:11,120 >> So, as as it says at the bottom, what 6803 04:16:11,120 --> 04:16:12,720 remains the same, the same primary 6804 04:16:12,720 --> 04:16:15,120 materials are encouraged as the current 6805 04:16:15,120 --> 04:16:19,279 historic gateway materials. Um, but 6806 04:16:19,279 --> 04:16:22,239 >> so this is where 6807 04:16:22,239 --> 04:16:23,439 so you know, this is where the planning 6808 04:16:23,439 --> 04:16:26,080 commission recommended only red brick 6809 04:16:26,080 --> 04:16:28,960 and black framed windows, right? So, 6810 04:16:28,960 --> 04:16:31,600 they're proposing getting rid of wood, 6811 04:16:31,600 --> 04:16:33,359 masonry, and stone. 6812 04:16:33,359 --> 04:16:35,760 Well, isn't masonry brick? 6813 04:16:35,760 --> 04:16:37,359 >> Oh, well, 6814 04:16:37,359 --> 04:16:37,840 >> no, 6815 04:16:37,840 --> 04:16:38,720 >> says wood. 6816 04:16:38,720 --> 04:16:41,040 >> Yeah, actually, sorry. I was I was in 6817 04:16:41,040 --> 04:16:42,239 that meeting. I don't think it was 6818 04:16:42,239 --> 04:16:44,000 before Kaden. And what they basically 6819 04:16:44,000 --> 04:16:45,840 said is when they saw this list, they 6820 04:16:45,840 --> 04:16:47,199 said, "Well, that basically doesn't 6821 04:16:47,199 --> 04:16:48,720 eliminate anything 6822 04:16:48,720 --> 04:16:50,720 >> because everything's listed there." So, 6823 04:16:50,720 --> 04:16:52,880 they did narrow it down consciously down 6824 04:16:52,880 --> 04:16:54,560 to the the the handful that they 6825 04:16:54,560 --> 04:16:56,560 recommended in that thing. So, that was 6826 04:16:56,560 --> 04:16:58,479 the recommendation from them. But, it 6827 04:16:58,479 --> 04:16:59,760 doesn't mean that you guys need 6828 04:16:59,760 --> 04:17:01,439 >> Did they give restrictions on color for 6829 04:17:01,439 --> 04:17:03,040 >> brick? They said 6830 04:17:03,040 --> 04:17:04,720 >> they recommended red. Yeah. 6831 04:17:04,720 --> 04:17:05,600 >> Okay. 6832 04:17:05,600 --> 04:17:08,239 >> So that's where my 6833 04:17:08,239 --> 04:17:09,760 >> Okay. 6834 04:17:09,760 --> 04:17:12,000 Speaking with my friend who's much more 6835 04:17:12,000 --> 04:17:13,840 adept at this than I 6836 04:17:13,840 --> 04:17:16,800 >> he said natural materials, 6837 04:17:16,800 --> 04:17:19,840 brick, stone, and wood. I would be good 6838 04:17:19,840 --> 04:17:21,199 with keeping stone. I think these some 6839 04:17:21,199 --> 04:17:22,960 of these new stone buildings, these 6840 04:17:22,960 --> 04:17:24,239 buildings that have stone look 6841 04:17:24,239 --> 04:17:26,640 amazingly, really nice. But again, how 6842 04:17:26,640 --> 04:17:29,359 do you create uniformity when you allow 6843 04:17:29,359 --> 04:17:32,640 both? because we have a hodge podge. 6844 04:17:32,640 --> 04:17:35,359 >> Um, you have some stucco on some of the 6845 04:17:35,359 --> 04:17:37,439 buildings here on the east side. You 6846 04:17:37,439 --> 04:17:39,600 have the red brick on the other side of 6847 04:17:39,600 --> 04:17:40,560 the street. 6848 04:17:40,560 --> 04:17:42,640 >> Yeah, but I don't know if we necessarily 6849 04:17:42,640 --> 04:17:44,800 want like all red brick. 6850 04:17:44,800 --> 04:17:46,479 >> That's what I think buildings, you know. 6851 04:17:46,479 --> 04:17:47,760 I think like, you know, I like having 6852 04:17:47,760 --> 04:17:48,319 the options. 6853 04:17:48,319 --> 04:17:50,560 >> If you go down I mean there is time and 6854 04:17:50,560 --> 04:17:52,960 a place for that. If you go to um what 6855 04:17:52,960 --> 04:17:55,120 is it in Oregon along the sea coast 6856 04:17:55,120 --> 04:17:57,279 where Haystack is, what is that town? 6857 04:17:57,279 --> 04:17:58,239 >> Canon Beach. 6858 04:17:58,239 --> 04:18:00,399 >> Cannon Beach. Every single building 6859 04:18:00,399 --> 04:18:02,960 looks exactly the same. It's all wood 6860 04:18:02,960 --> 04:18:06,239 shake shingles, you know, on the walls 6861 04:18:06,239 --> 04:18:08,560 and it's they all look the same and they 6862 04:18:08,560 --> 04:18:11,279 have to look exactly the same. 6863 04:18:11,279 --> 04:18:14,239 >> And um which is fine, but we are kind of 6864 04:18:14,239 --> 04:18:15,920 going through this transition phase, 6865 04:18:15,920 --> 04:18:19,199 right? And we still have residential in 6866 04:18:19,199 --> 04:18:23,279 that zone and so we can't impose my 6867 04:18:23,279 --> 04:18:24,960 understanding is we can we impose this 6868 04:18:24,960 --> 04:18:26,319 on residential. It's only for 6869 04:18:26,319 --> 04:18:27,920 commercial. Correct. 6870 04:18:27,920 --> 04:18:30,080 >> Yeah. these design guidelines because if 6871 04:18:30,080 --> 04:18:31,760 it's a residential, they can still build 6872 04:18:31,760 --> 04:18:32,800 whatever. 6873 04:18:32,800 --> 04:18:33,359 >> Um, 6874 04:18:33,359 --> 04:18:35,120 >> what if it's mixed use? 6875 04:18:35,120 --> 04:18:36,880 >> That's it follows these same guidelines, 6876 04:18:36,880 --> 04:18:37,439 right? Okay. 6877 04:18:37,439 --> 04:18:39,279 >> A part of it is commercial. 6878 04:18:39,279 --> 04:18:41,760 >> So, I'm not exactly sure what the 6879 04:18:41,760 --> 04:18:44,159 difference is between masonry and brick 6880 04:18:44,159 --> 04:18:46,000 and stone. Like I know what stone is. 6881 04:18:46,000 --> 04:18:48,000 >> I Googled it up and like masonry would 6882 04:18:48,000 --> 04:18:51,120 include um concrete block 6883 04:18:51,120 --> 04:18:53,359 >> and we it's it's um 6884 04:18:53,359 --> 04:18:54,880 >> it's not a stone. It's just like a 6885 04:18:54,880 --> 04:18:57,120 >> it's you know concrete block. I've never 6886 04:18:57,120 --> 04:18:59,120 seen it on a structure. So, basically 6887 04:18:59,120 --> 04:18:59,680 what 6888 04:18:59,680 --> 04:19:01,199 >> cinder blocks are the very cheapest 6889 04:19:01,199 --> 04:19:03,439 version, but like concrete block is what 6890 04:19:03,439 --> 04:19:05,120 they build like Westfield Elementary out 6891 04:19:05,120 --> 04:19:06,880 of. They don't use 6892 04:19:06,880 --> 04:19:08,880 >> like brick. 6893 04:19:08,880 --> 04:19:10,960 >> Oh, yeah. You've seen it. I'm also 6894 04:19:10,960 --> 04:19:13,120 envisioning like 6895 04:19:13,120 --> 04:19:14,960 red brick buildings. That's masonry, 6896 04:19:14,960 --> 04:19:16,239 right? Because that's concrete. 6897 04:19:16,239 --> 04:19:18,479 >> It's a like masonry is broad and brick 6898 04:19:18,479 --> 04:19:20,159 is just a category under masonry 6899 04:19:20,159 --> 04:19:21,760 according to Google. And I think we have 6900 04:19:21,760 --> 04:19:23,359 some buildings that are masonry. They're 6901 04:19:23,359 --> 04:19:27,040 just c they're blocks of that material. 6902 04:19:27,040 --> 04:19:28,960 >> So would masonry be something we'd want 6903 04:19:28,960 --> 04:19:30,479 to eliminate? 6904 04:19:30,479 --> 04:19:33,040 >> I think this this would be good. This 6905 04:19:33,040 --> 04:19:35,680 specific section would be good to when 6906 04:19:35,680 --> 04:19:37,439 our combined meeting 6907 04:19:37,439 --> 04:19:40,880 >> to express and then coaliss on what is 6908 04:19:40,880 --> 04:19:43,439 if we are I agree that limiting us to 6909 04:19:43,439 --> 04:19:47,040 red brick is way too uniform and it'll 6910 04:19:47,040 --> 04:19:50,319 everything will look like old new like 6911 04:19:50,319 --> 04:19:53,040 well no form you know new guidelines are 6912 04:19:53,040 --> 04:19:55,040 all here and it it it'll 6913 04:19:55,040 --> 04:19:56,800 >> and then honestly eventually if 6914 04:19:56,800 --> 04:19:58,800 everything did go to red brick I don't 6915 04:19:58,800 --> 04:20:01,279 know if I would really like that 6916 04:20:01,279 --> 04:20:03,840 >> very east coast DC, Boston, they do 6917 04:20:03,840 --> 04:20:05,600 that. But I'm not I'm not saying I'm for 6918 04:20:05,600 --> 04:20:06,159 it. I 6919 04:20:06,159 --> 04:20:07,439 >> Well, the planning commission said limit 6920 04:20:07,439 --> 04:20:09,920 it to material to red brick, specific 6921 04:20:09,920 --> 04:20:12,720 types of wood, and black framed windows. 6922 04:20:12,720 --> 04:20:14,399 >> Yeah, I think we need to discuss this 6923 04:20:14,399 --> 04:20:16,479 specific element with them because it is 6924 04:20:16,479 --> 04:20:19,199 very um important as you can see. 6925 04:20:19,199 --> 04:20:21,600 >> Well, I won't be there. So, just share 6926 04:20:21,600 --> 04:20:24,800 my opinion that I like including stone, 6927 04:20:24,800 --> 04:20:25,199 >> right, 6928 04:20:25,199 --> 04:20:26,000 >> and wood. 6929 04:20:26,000 --> 04:20:27,680 >> Where would you back that up? What you 6930 04:20:27,680 --> 04:20:29,920 just said? And black windows. 6931 04:20:29,920 --> 04:20:30,399 >> What? 6932 04:20:30,399 --> 04:20:32,080 >> Black frames. You said black framed 6933 04:20:32,080 --> 04:20:33,840 windows. Can you explain where you you 6934 04:20:33,840 --> 04:20:34,239 were adding 6935 04:20:34,239 --> 04:20:35,520 >> No, no, that was the the planning 6936 04:20:35,520 --> 04:20:37,199 commission's recommendation. 6937 04:20:37,199 --> 04:20:38,640 >> That was our recommendation. 6938 04:20:38,640 --> 04:20:42,560 >> Oh, okay. Um, with design things like 6939 04:20:42,560 --> 04:20:44,560 this, they're all so subjective. So, 6940 04:20:44,560 --> 04:20:46,800 I've been pondering how even with this 6941 04:20:46,800 --> 04:20:49,279 fire station. Um, and Sarah, you 6942 04:20:49,279 --> 04:20:50,720 probably want to give your input on 6943 04:20:50,720 --> 04:20:53,040 this. I can wait till you guys are done. 6944 04:20:53,040 --> 04:20:55,359 It sounded like someone good. Um, I was 6945 04:20:55,359 --> 04:20:56,800 going to say when we're we're deciding 6946 04:20:56,800 --> 04:20:58,479 these design things both for the fire 6947 04:20:58,479 --> 04:21:00,960 station and this and other things, I 6948 04:21:00,960 --> 04:21:02,880 I've been pondering like well obviously 6949 04:21:02,880 --> 04:21:04,080 I have my own opinion, you guys have 6950 04:21:04,080 --> 04:21:05,920 your own opinion, but if you kind of 6951 04:21:05,920 --> 04:21:08,239 look back to what Alpine is, we might be 6952 04:21:08,239 --> 04:21:10,960 able to glean it from that. Uh, the 6953 04:21:10,960 --> 04:21:12,560 towns like what mayor is talking about, 6954 04:21:12,560 --> 04:21:13,680 they usually take it from the 6955 04:21:13,680 --> 04:21:19,040 countryside or the geography and they um 6956 04:21:19,040 --> 04:21:20,800 what what is the word? They complement 6957 04:21:20,800 --> 04:21:22,399 what they live around and that's why it 6958 04:21:22,399 --> 04:21:24,399 works. That's like on the islands. 6959 04:21:24,399 --> 04:21:26,080 >> In Greece, everything is white with blue 6960 04:21:26,080 --> 04:21:29,040 roofs. It compliments the ocean. Here we 6961 04:21:29,040 --> 04:21:30,640 now, but we I think we have two things 6962 04:21:30,640 --> 04:21:33,199 we can compliment. Our history, 6963 04:21:33,199 --> 04:21:37,359 >> which is pioneers, barns, you know, um, 6964 04:21:37,359 --> 04:21:39,680 and granite. Oh, I'm sorry. We have like 6965 04:21:39,680 --> 04:21:41,520 our history, which is what he called it, 6966 04:21:41,520 --> 04:21:43,120 Utah. What did he call it? 6967 04:21:43,120 --> 04:21:44,000 >> Utah historic. 6968 04:21:44,000 --> 04:21:45,279 >> Yes, Utah historic. I 6969 04:21:45,279 --> 04:21:46,000 >> traditional. 6970 04:21:46,000 --> 04:21:48,159 >> I like But I like what he said. He he 6971 04:21:48,159 --> 04:21:49,279 called that's the first time I've ever 6972 04:21:49,279 --> 04:21:51,920 heard anyone term our style as something 6973 04:21:51,920 --> 04:21:54,159 our design language. He called it Utah 6974 04:21:54,159 --> 04:21:54,880 historic. 6975 04:21:54,880 --> 04:21:56,880 >> Traditional three words. 6976 04:21:56,880 --> 04:21:58,239 >> He didn't say traditional because he 6977 04:21:58,239 --> 04:21:58,800 even texted me 6978 04:21:58,800 --> 04:22:00,960 >> in the motion from the 6979 04:22:00,960 --> 04:22:03,199 >> I'm not Yeah. Okay. All I heard was Utah 6980 04:22:03,199 --> 04:22:05,439 historic. I like that because I do think 6981 04:22:05,439 --> 04:22:08,000 it um is how we would be described and 6982 04:22:08,000 --> 04:22:09,920 we can get away from it if we go to 6983 04:22:09,920 --> 04:22:12,319 Silicon Valley modern which is what 6984 04:22:12,319 --> 04:22:15,600 we're going anyways. So, uh, that that's 6985 04:22:15,600 --> 04:22:17,680 how I've been looking at why would you? 6986 04:22:17,680 --> 04:22:19,600 It's not do we like it or do we not or 6987 04:22:19,600 --> 04:22:22,399 does an architect. It's does this hit 6988 04:22:22,399 --> 04:22:24,720 the identity of Alpine. And that's how 6989 04:22:24,720 --> 04:22:26,080 I've been looking back at it kind of 6990 04:22:26,080 --> 04:22:27,920 like other towns do. I think we are a 6991 04:22:27,920 --> 04:22:31,120 hair too hodge podge um in what I think 6992 04:22:31,120 --> 04:22:33,199 we have not structured it down. That's 6993 04:22:33,199 --> 04:22:35,520 fine. people have freedom. But I think 6994 04:22:35,520 --> 04:22:39,359 with just 10 to 20% uh reigning it in 6995 04:22:39,359 --> 04:22:42,239 and defining what this Utah historic is, 6996 04:22:42,239 --> 04:22:45,279 which I I envision it as Utah heritage 6997 04:22:45,279 --> 04:22:47,600 like legacy, barns, pioneers, that type 6998 04:22:47,600 --> 04:22:50,000 of stuff. And then Utah, the word Utah 6999 04:22:50,000 --> 04:22:53,439 is granite mountain, green evergreens. 7000 04:22:53,439 --> 04:22:55,600 Um it looks like what our landscape 7001 04:22:55,600 --> 04:22:56,800 looks like. And if we can come up with 7002 04:22:56,800 --> 04:22:58,319 something that complements the geography 7003 04:22:58,319 --> 04:23:00,239 and the history, I think we'll have a 7004 04:23:00,239 --> 04:23:03,600 very unique design language that I mean 7005 04:23:03,600 --> 04:23:07,279 we might yeah it would be so like 7006 04:23:07,279 --> 04:23:09,040 enjoyable and so desirable. We might 7007 04:23:09,040 --> 04:23:10,239 start getting tourists. We don't want 7008 04:23:10,239 --> 04:23:12,720 that. That's what you get in these towns 7009 04:23:12,720 --> 04:23:14,800 like what mayor said um when they unify 7010 04:23:14,800 --> 04:23:16,399 them so much they become a tourist spot. 7011 04:23:16,399 --> 04:23:18,000 We don't want that but we can make 7012 04:23:18,000 --> 04:23:19,920 something that is just so beautiful and 7013 04:23:19,920 --> 04:23:22,000 charming to be in. Um, anyways, that 7014 04:23:22,000 --> 04:23:23,920 that's where that's where my model my 7015 04:23:23,920 --> 04:23:26,640 mind is going as to why to say yes or no 7016 04:23:26,640 --> 04:23:28,479 to brick, why to say yes or no to metal, 7017 04:23:28,479 --> 04:23:30,319 why to say yes or no at barn. What is 7018 04:23:30,319 --> 04:23:33,120 the basis behind it? And I think uh uh 7019 04:23:33,120 --> 04:23:34,560 they they've got they're on to something 7020 04:23:34,560 --> 04:23:36,560 that the planning commission 7021 04:23:36,560 --> 04:23:38,319 >> Kaden, can I Oh, go ahead. 7022 04:23:38,319 --> 04:23:40,159 >> I was just going to say just this goes 7023 04:23:40,159 --> 04:23:42,560 back to the original gateway story 7024 04:23:42,560 --> 04:23:44,159 guidelines. 7025 04:23:44,159 --> 04:23:47,040 um the architect that they involved 7026 04:23:47,040 --> 04:23:49,680 actually kind of looked at uh 7027 04:23:49,680 --> 04:23:52,080 architecture throughout the city and 7028 04:23:52,080 --> 04:23:54,239 came back and said it's hodge podge. 7029 04:23:54,239 --> 04:23:55,760 >> Yeah, it is. 7030 04:23:55,760 --> 04:23:56,479 >> It is. 7031 04:23:56,479 --> 04:23:58,880 >> So that was a thing back then. I mean 7032 04:23:58,880 --> 04:24:00,319 not saying it has to be that going 7033 04:24:00,319 --> 04:24:01,920 forward, but that's what he found. He's 7034 04:24:01,920 --> 04:24:04,239 like there's not really 7035 04:24:04,239 --> 04:24:06,399 >> well we started as frugal poor people 7036 04:24:06,399 --> 04:24:09,120 and so no one was saying like let's put 7037 04:24:09,120 --> 04:24:11,680 a style on this. We were surviving like 7038 04:24:11,680 --> 04:24:13,840 even my family was surviving and then we 7039 04:24:13,840 --> 04:24:16,479 all became rich and now we're like into 7040 04:24:16,479 --> 04:24:18,399 wood on a fire station or not. 7041 04:24:18,399 --> 04:24:20,560 >> Kaden, can I ask you a question? 7042 04:24:20,560 --> 04:24:22,560 >> We have the guidelines of standards that 7043 04:24:22,560 --> 04:24:26,479 let's say they allow stone, brick, and 7044 04:24:26,479 --> 04:24:29,040 wood. When a project comes in for this 7045 04:24:29,040 --> 04:24:30,080 lot across the street, they're going to 7046 04:24:30,080 --> 04:24:31,520 turn on the house and put in a a 7047 04:24:31,520 --> 04:24:33,199 mixeduse. Mhm. 7048 04:24:33,199 --> 04:24:34,640 >> Does one does either the planning 7049 04:24:34,640 --> 04:24:38,800 commission andor the city council have a say in what materials they end up 7050 04:24:38,800 --> 04:24:41,040 using or can they use any of those and 7051 04:24:41,040 --> 04:24:42,960 we're kind of stuck with it? 7052 04:24:42,960 --> 04:24:44,880 >> I think if it's here on the design 7053 04:24:44,880 --> 04:24:47,439 guidelines they're allowed to use it. Um 7054 04:24:47,439 --> 04:24:51,760 if we as we adopt this this plan um but 7055 04:24:51,760 --> 04:24:53,520 I think you will have discretion to 7056 04:24:53,520 --> 04:24:56,080 recommend how you want that to be seen. 7057 04:24:56,080 --> 04:24:57,439 Um, 7058 04:24:57,439 --> 04:25:00,560 >> Kaden, can we limit can we uh put 7059 04:25:00,560 --> 04:25:02,720 restraints on the color palette or the 7060 04:25:02,720 --> 04:25:05,359 textures or that for this or is that not 7061 04:25:05,359 --> 04:25:06,000 a possible 7062 04:25:06,000 --> 04:25:08,239 >> I think potentially once you go towards 7063 04:25:08,239 --> 04:25:10,319 adopting an ordinance and codifying 7064 04:25:10,319 --> 04:25:12,560 these requirements if you would like to 7065 04:25:12,560 --> 04:25:14,640 do that then you could pursue something 7066 04:25:14,640 --> 04:25:15,359 like that. 7067 04:25:15,359 --> 04:25:15,760 >> Okay. 7068 04:25:15,760 --> 04:25:17,760 >> But that wouldn't be part of this step 7069 04:25:17,760 --> 04:25:18,560 right now. 7070 04:25:18,560 --> 04:25:18,880 >> Okay. 7071 04:25:18,880 --> 04:25:19,760 >> Yeah. 7072 04:25:19,760 --> 04:25:22,159 >> I did ask Highland about just to 7073 04:25:22,159 --> 04:25:24,080 reference your question. They said what 7074 04:25:24,080 --> 04:25:25,760 do your design guidelines do? what does 7075 04:25:25,760 --> 04:25:26,800 historic mean to you? And they said, 7076 04:25:26,800 --> 04:25:28,880 well, our city's only 50 years old, so 7077 04:25:28,880 --> 04:25:30,640 we have nothing historic to refer back 7078 04:25:30,640 --> 04:25:33,680 to. And our colors say they need to be 7079 04:25:33,680 --> 04:25:36,080 earth tones. And they have debated back 7080 04:25:36,080 --> 04:25:37,840 and forth whether black and white are 7081 04:25:37,840 --> 04:25:39,279 earth tones. 7082 04:25:39,279 --> 04:25:41,760 >> Um 7083 04:25:41,760 --> 04:25:44,479 >> Aaron told me this, their um city 7084 04:25:44,479 --> 04:25:46,479 manager. And so one thing I do want to 7085 04:25:46,479 --> 04:25:50,239 point out, historic um is relative 7086 04:25:50,239 --> 04:25:52,800 because other cities had like a 7087 04:25:52,800 --> 04:25:54,880 commercial area that maybe went into 7088 04:25:54,880 --> 04:25:56,720 disrepair and so they're or and so 7089 04:25:56,720 --> 04:25:58,399 they're fixing it up or wanting to be 7090 04:25:58,399 --> 04:26:00,399 uniform, but we really have nothing to 7091 04:26:00,399 --> 04:26:02,319 start with because we had no commercial 7092 04:26:02,319 --> 04:26:05,680 like 50 years ago. We had the Burgess um 7093 04:26:05,680 --> 04:26:08,319 store, not orchards, but the store, the 7094 04:26:08,319 --> 04:26:09,760 Burgess family owned it. They called it 7095 04:26:09,760 --> 04:26:12,000 the Alpine Market, I think. 7096 04:26:12,000 --> 04:26:14,159 >> So we didn't have a commercial zone. So 7097 04:26:14,159 --> 04:26:16,399 we're sort of reinventing what our 7098 04:26:16,399 --> 04:26:18,560 history was because we're kind of like 7099 04:26:18,560 --> 04:26:21,199 Highland actually. We had no commercial 7100 04:26:21,199 --> 04:26:21,600 history. 7101 04:26:21,600 --> 04:26:24,479 >> We're really not historical. I think 7102 04:26:24,479 --> 04:26:26,000 they I think that's why they brought it 7103 04:26:26,000 --> 04:26:26,479 to Utah. 7104 04:26:26,479 --> 04:26:27,920 >> I think that's why they did Utah because 7105 04:26:27,920 --> 04:26:29,279 if you think about it, 7106 04:26:29,279 --> 04:26:31,600 >> Alpine, nobody wanted to live here, you 7107 04:26:31,600 --> 04:26:33,600 know? People couldn't even get loans on 7108 04:26:33,600 --> 04:26:36,080 land here because they was worthless. 7109 04:26:36,080 --> 04:26:38,239 You know, we I know a couple of people 7110 04:26:38,239 --> 04:26:39,920 that that happened when they went to the 7111 04:26:39,920 --> 04:26:42,479 bank to get a 20 acre lot in Alpine back 7112 04:26:42,479 --> 04:26:43,920 in the day and they're like, "Oh, no, 7113 04:26:43,920 --> 04:26:46,159 that, you know, land in Alpine is 7114 04:26:46,159 --> 04:26:47,840 worthless. We we don't do loans." 7115 04:26:47,840 --> 04:26:48,560 >> That didn't make sense. 7116 04:26:48,560 --> 04:26:50,239 >> You know, and so because of that, we 7117 04:26:50,239 --> 04:26:51,760 don't So, if you look at there's a 7118 04:26:51,760 --> 04:26:54,239 handful of older buildings, it's adobe 7119 04:26:54,239 --> 04:26:57,040 and whatnot. Um, but you're right. I 7120 04:26:57,040 --> 04:26:59,040 think though I think what everybody's in 7121 04:26:59,040 --> 04:27:01,279 agreement with those I think they like 7122 04:27:01,279 --> 04:27:04,960 the more um you know if you kind of look 7123 04:27:04,960 --> 04:27:06,960 into 7124 04:27:06,960 --> 04:27:09,199 it seems like it's kind of a combination 7125 04:27:09,199 --> 04:27:11,520 between colonial and neocclassical 7126 04:27:11,520 --> 04:27:14,319 styles that's just a little bit older 7127 04:27:14,319 --> 04:27:15,120 like if you look 7128 04:27:15,120 --> 04:27:19,814 >> neocclassical I don't think so 7129 04:27:19,824 --> 04:27:20,080 [laughter] 7130 04:27:20,080 --> 04:27:21,680 >> I'm not talking about pillars and 7131 04:27:21,680 --> 04:27:22,319 columns 7132 04:27:22,319 --> 04:27:23,520 >> that's what I'm talking about that's 7133 04:27:23,520 --> 04:27:24,000 neocclassical 7134 04:27:24,000 --> 04:27:25,359 >> but no but if you look at neocclassical 7135 04:27:25,359 --> 04:27:26,640 though you look at the materials that 7136 04:27:26,640 --> 04:27:28,159 they're using. They're using natural 7137 04:27:28,159 --> 04:27:31,040 stone, right? Natural stone to make it 7138 04:27:31,040 --> 04:27:34,560 look beautiful. So, if you do like um if 7139 04:27:34,560 --> 04:27:37,120 you where's a visual, 7140 04:27:37,120 --> 04:27:37,600 can you 7141 04:27:37,600 --> 04:27:39,520 >> I think it would be helpful if we if we 7142 04:27:39,520 --> 04:27:42,800 um had this is what was my request is 7143 04:27:42,800 --> 04:27:46,239 that we had visuals like 7144 04:27:46,239 --> 04:27:48,159 >> we we asked I asked put we put that in 7145 04:27:48,159 --> 04:27:49,199 so that they can have 7146 04:27:49,199 --> 04:27:50,880 >> those are for setbacks. I'm talking 7147 04:27:50,880 --> 04:27:52,560 about for what 7148 04:27:52,560 --> 04:27:55,359 >> vision piece target pieces. 7149 04:27:55,359 --> 04:27:56,960 >> They do have some. They just don't have 7150 04:27:56,960 --> 04:27:57,920 a ton. Right. 7151 04:27:57,920 --> 04:27:59,600 >> Right. We I think we can add those. 7152 04:27:59,600 --> 04:28:01,040 >> A few sparsed out throughout the 7153 04:28:01,040 --> 04:28:01,920 document, but 7154 04:28:01,920 --> 04:28:03,040 >> I mean get that. 7155 04:28:03,040 --> 04:28:05,359 >> They just want more. I guess that to be 7156 04:28:05,359 --> 04:28:06,080 specific. 7157 04:28:06,080 --> 04:28:07,760 >> Maybe that could be a a take-home 7158 04:28:07,760 --> 04:28:10,080 project for all of us is to bring five 7159 04:28:10,080 --> 04:28:11,920 pictures and we can vote on them. 7160 04:28:11,920 --> 04:28:14,319 >> Jessica actually has a ton. Jessica, 7161 04:28:14,319 --> 04:28:17,040 don't you have a page, a Google page? 7162 04:28:17,040 --> 04:28:17,760 >> Would you guys be 7163 04:28:17,760 --> 04:28:18,720 >> Wait, hold on just a sec. 7164 04:28:18,720 --> 04:28:20,800 >> Yep. Sorry. Yeah, Shane McGee actually 7165 04:28:20,800 --> 04:28:23,680 put a beautiful PowerPoint together and 7166 04:28:23,680 --> 04:28:25,359 she brought in all these elements that 7167 04:28:25,359 --> 04:28:27,439 you all are discussing right now. 7168 04:28:27,439 --> 04:28:30,880 >> So, do you h will you send those images 7169 04:28:30,880 --> 04:28:33,279 over to Kaden 7170 04:28:33,279 --> 04:28:35,040 >> and then maybe you can ask them to 7171 04:28:35,040 --> 04:28:37,199 incorporate those images into our design 7172 04:28:37,199 --> 04:28:38,000 guidelines. 7173 04:28:38,000 --> 04:28:38,399 >> Yeah. 7174 04:28:38,399 --> 04:28:40,159 >> So that everyone can kind of have a 7175 04:28:40,159 --> 04:28:42,080 visual of what we're looking at as 7176 04:28:42,080 --> 04:28:46,000 opposed to the sketches. 7177 04:28:46,000 --> 04:28:47,040 >> The question was just if 7178 04:28:47,040 --> 04:28:48,560 >> Well, he's showing these pictures here. 7179 04:28:48,560 --> 04:28:50,560 Are you saying but this this 7180 04:28:50,560 --> 04:28:52,319 specifically on the top one has 7181 04:28:52,319 --> 04:28:54,479 sighting. Well, we don't allow sighting. 7182 04:28:54,479 --> 04:28:56,000 The second one has sighting. We don't 7183 04:28:56,000 --> 04:28:57,279 allow sight. Do you know what I mean? 7184 04:28:57,279 --> 04:28:59,520 So, we need things that like 7185 04:28:59,520 --> 04:29:01,840 >> that would reflect the materials. Do you 7186 04:29:01,840 --> 04:29:02,479 know what I'm saying? 7187 04:29:02,479 --> 04:29:03,760 >> Yeah. And I think the console would be 7188 04:29:03,760 --> 04:29:04,960 more than willing to update those 7189 04:29:04,960 --> 04:29:06,080 pictures. 7190 04:29:06,080 --> 04:29:06,720 >> It looks like 7191 04:29:06,720 --> 04:29:09,120 >> No, it No, look at prohibited materials. 7192 04:29:09,120 --> 04:29:12,479 Stuckco, E, Eiff, and sighting. 7193 04:29:12,479 --> 04:29:13,120 >> Prohibited. 7194 04:29:13,120 --> 04:29:13,840 >> The question. 7195 04:29:13,840 --> 04:29:16,000 >> No, I'm saying that I don't think the 7196 04:29:16,000 --> 04:29:17,840 second picture is necessarily sighting. 7197 04:29:17,840 --> 04:29:19,760 It could be wood. 7198 04:29:19,760 --> 04:29:21,359 >> No, that is sighting. Let's 7199 04:29:21,359 --> 04:29:22,080 >> talk about the top one. 7200 04:29:22,080 --> 04:29:23,600 >> Do you think this design guidelines or 7201 04:29:23,600 --> 04:29:26,560 matrix is the thing we should talk save 7202 04:29:26,560 --> 04:29:28,720 and talk about at when we meet with 7203 04:29:28,720 --> 04:29:29,520 planning commission? 7204 04:29:29,520 --> 04:29:31,359 >> Yes. Can we go back to that page, Kaden? 7205 04:29:31,359 --> 04:29:32,880 The design matrix. There we go. 7206 04:29:32,880 --> 04:29:34,239 >> Yeah. But just to back it up, I had a 7207 04:29:34,239 --> 04:29:36,159 question and it got kind of pulled out. 7208 04:29:36,159 --> 04:29:38,640 Would you guys be open to having some 7209 04:29:38,640 --> 04:29:43,439 artists do some design concept work of 7210 04:29:43,439 --> 04:29:46,319 what Main Street would look like? what 7211 04:29:46,319 --> 04:29:48,560 the business commercial would look like. 7212 04:29:48,560 --> 04:29:51,040 I mean, this is how cities, cruise 7213 04:29:51,040 --> 04:29:52,800 ships, Disneyland, this is how they're 7214 04:29:52,800 --> 04:29:55,840 done. Uh, and if you give a little bit 7215 04:29:55,840 --> 04:29:57,920 of guidance, this is how every movie, 7216 04:29:57,920 --> 04:29:59,760 video game, they create a design. It's 7217 04:29:59,760 --> 04:30:01,760 called a design bible. Even in the most 7218 04:30:01,760 --> 04:30:05,439 secular areas and uh that everyone looks 7219 04:30:05,439 --> 04:30:07,680 at it and says, "Yes, that." Because 7220 04:30:07,680 --> 04:30:09,600 it's worth millions of words. We can 7221 04:30:09,600 --> 04:30:10,800 read all these words. Everyone has their 7222 04:30:10,800 --> 04:30:12,720 own visual, but all everyone looks at it 7223 04:30:12,720 --> 04:30:14,640 and says, "Yes, that." or they know 7224 04:30:14,640 --> 04:30:16,880 immediately not that because they look 7225 04:30:16,880 --> 04:30:18,640 at it and they say that's not it. Um 7226 04:30:18,640 --> 04:30:19,760 anyways, I don't know if you'd be open 7227 04:30:19,760 --> 04:30:20,880 to having some artists do some 7228 04:30:20,880 --> 04:30:22,800 renderings. 7229 04:30:22,800 --> 04:30:24,399 Is that something you would want? No, 7230 04:30:24,399 --> 04:30:25,680 >> I think that would be interesting 7231 04:30:25,680 --> 04:30:27,760 personally, but what is the cost? 7232 04:30:27,760 --> 04:30:28,880 >> Yeah, that's the question. 7233 04:30:28,880 --> 04:30:30,239 >> I'll try to get them donated. 7234 04:30:30,239 --> 04:30:31,600 >> Oh, I love it. Free. 7235 04:30:31,600 --> 04:30:35,359 >> Well, but I was mostly asking 7236 04:30:35,359 --> 04:30:38,080 >> I guess we were losing everyone. 7237 04:30:38,080 --> 04:30:39,760 Okay, I I'll look into it. Mayor, is 7238 04:30:39,760 --> 04:30:41,520 that something you would entertain as 7239 04:30:41,520 --> 04:30:43,520 something as possible or do you are you 7240 04:30:43,520 --> 04:30:44,000 against that 7241 04:30:44,000 --> 04:30:45,439 >> if it's free? Yes. 7242 04:30:45,439 --> 04:30:47,040 >> So, it's just a cost thing. Well, you 7243 04:30:47,040 --> 04:30:49,040 all sound like me. I love this. Good 7244 04:30:49,040 --> 04:30:49,680 job. Okay. 7245 04:30:49,680 --> 04:30:52,080 >> I mean, for me, I I do feel like we can 7246 04:30:52,080 --> 04:30:53,840 source enough pictures. I would love for 7247 04:30:53,840 --> 04:30:55,920 everyone to see um 7248 04:30:55,920 --> 04:30:57,520 >> I mean, we get some fantastic artists. 7249 04:30:57,520 --> 04:30:59,040 >> So, Jessica, if you can go ahead and 7250 04:30:59,040 --> 04:31:00,720 send those so that everyone can kind of 7251 04:31:00,720 --> 04:31:02,960 get an idea and see if we need anything 7252 04:31:02,960 --> 04:31:05,040 more than that. But I do I remember 7253 04:31:05,040 --> 04:31:06,960 seeing those images before and I think 7254 04:31:06,960 --> 04:31:10,000 that's what everyone's talking about. So 7255 04:31:10,000 --> 04:31:11,680 I think it would be good if maybe we 7256 04:31:11,680 --> 04:31:13,359 could do that. But I mean some of this 7257 04:31:13,359 --> 04:31:16,159 though like right here where it say you 7258 04:31:16,159 --> 04:31:18,560 know where it has the sketch that's just 7259 04:31:18,560 --> 04:31:20,399 to show 7260 04:31:20,399 --> 04:31:22,640 what you know 7261 04:31:22,640 --> 04:31:24,720 >> that's just to show like the 30 ft 7262 04:31:24,720 --> 04:31:26,880 maximum between building entries. 7263 04:31:26,880 --> 04:31:28,399 >> I don't feel like we have to have an 7264 04:31:28,399 --> 04:31:30,800 actual picture there. That's just to 7265 04:31:30,800 --> 04:31:32,479 >> kind of show a concept, you know. That's 7266 04:31:32,479 --> 04:31:33,760 correct. And I think that's totally 7267 04:31:33,760 --> 04:31:34,800 fine. 7268 04:31:34,800 --> 04:31:36,159 >> I know you have an issue with the 7269 04:31:36,159 --> 04:31:37,680 apartment one. We can throw a different 7270 04:31:37,680 --> 04:31:39,439 picture in there, but it's still like 7271 04:31:39,439 --> 04:31:40,880 when they're 7272 04:31:40,880 --> 04:31:43,439 >> um it's just to prove a concept or show 7273 04:31:43,439 --> 04:31:45,920 the concept of what the maximum or the 7274 04:31:45,920 --> 04:31:49,600 minimum allowable space is between doors 7275 04:31:49,600 --> 04:31:52,720 or entryways or how large a blank wall 7276 04:31:52,720 --> 04:31:53,439 can be. 7277 04:31:53,439 --> 04:31:56,159 >> I understand. I think like I I know you 7278 04:31:56,159 --> 04:31:57,920 don't like but it's just to kind of show 7279 04:31:57,920 --> 04:32:00,640 like if you have a single property owner 7280 04:32:00,640 --> 04:32:03,199 that has maybe several parcels and they 7281 04:32:03,199 --> 04:32:05,439 want to do a series of businesses you 7282 04:32:05,439 --> 04:32:07,279 know which we've seen in lot of old 7283 04:32:07,279 --> 04:32:10,080 cities you know you have a dog store 7284 04:32:10,080 --> 04:32:12,080 you've got a little you know whatever 7285 04:32:12,080 --> 04:32:14,560 maybe you might have four of them so it 7286 04:32:14,560 --> 04:32:16,399 might not necessarily look like this 7287 04:32:16,399 --> 04:32:19,199 apartment but the concept is that 7288 04:32:19,199 --> 04:32:22,560 they're trying to get across is just hey 7289 04:32:22,560 --> 04:32:24,319 >> between your entries you have to have 7290 04:32:24,319 --> 04:32:26,560 this many feet. You can't have this. And 7291 04:32:26,560 --> 04:32:28,720 so I think that's okay. But I do like 7292 04:32:28,720 --> 04:32:31,680 the idea of having more pictures of what 7293 04:32:31,680 --> 04:32:34,000 is acceptable in the zone. 7294 04:32:34,000 --> 04:32:35,199 >> Well, it sounds like we're all unified 7295 04:32:35,199 --> 04:32:36,800 on that. 7296 04:32:36,800 --> 04:32:39,040 >> Lot of what? [laughter] 7297 04:32:39,040 --> 04:32:40,000 >> Pictures that 7298 04:32:40,000 --> 04:32:41,920 >> we're all going to Hawaii except you. 7299 04:32:41,920 --> 04:32:43,520 >> You're going to have to listen to 1.75 7300 04:32:43,520 --> 04:32:44,640 speed of what you miss. 7301 04:32:44,640 --> 04:32:46,399 >> Pictures that represent pictures that 7302 04:32:46,399 --> 04:32:48,960 represent the the the design goals we're 7303 04:32:48,960 --> 04:32:49,359 after. 7304 04:32:49,359 --> 04:32:51,920 >> Oh, great. Great. So, does anybody have 7305 04:32:51,920 --> 04:32:54,640 any suggestions or anything regarding 7306 04:32:54,640 --> 04:32:57,359 the guideline matrix, the design 7307 04:32:57,359 --> 04:32:59,520 guideline matrix as far as what 7308 04:32:59,520 --> 04:33:02,319 materials are acceptable, what aren't, 7309 04:33:02,319 --> 04:33:04,639 what you guys, what the preferences, I 7310 04:33:04,639 --> 04:33:07,119 would like to hear those now. If not, 7311 04:33:07,119 --> 04:33:08,879 >> I have some that only have come up 7312 04:33:08,879 --> 04:33:11,279 recently, and that is we're we're now in 7313 04:33:11,279 --> 04:33:14,400 the world of everything is faux or 7314 04:33:14,400 --> 04:33:17,920 synthetic from decks to wood to brick. 7315 04:33:17,920 --> 04:33:20,160 And we might want to specify that 7316 04:33:20,160 --> 04:33:24,959 because uh wood that is natural is very 7317 04:33:24,959 --> 04:33:27,600 different than wood that is um so 7318 04:33:27,600 --> 04:33:30,400 anyways we might want to specify that if 7319 04:33:30,400 --> 04:33:34,320 we want to allow synthetic materials or 7320 04:33:34,320 --> 04:33:38,000 as the time changes. I recognize they 7321 04:33:38,000 --> 04:33:40,799 sometimes are better for weather or but 7322 04:33:40,799 --> 04:33:42,400 even with fencing and all types of 7323 04:33:42,400 --> 04:33:44,719 things, bricks 7324 04:33:44,719 --> 04:33:48,000 reflect and look different than oh I 7325 04:33:48,000 --> 04:33:49,359 forget what they're called. Synthetic 7326 04:33:49,359 --> 04:33:51,600 bricks they're not they're not synthetic 7327 04:33:51,600 --> 04:33:53,840 bricks. What are they called? Like like 7328 04:33:53,840 --> 04:33:57,039 yes plastic plastic everything is 7329 04:33:57,039 --> 04:33:59,279 plastic. Do we want to allow that? Do we 7330 04:33:59,279 --> 04:34:01,199 not? that that's just that on these on 7331 04:34:01,199 --> 04:34:04,000 these matrixes when we say wood we might 7332 04:34:04,000 --> 04:34:06,160 need to specify 7333 04:34:06,160 --> 04:34:06,959 the non 7334 04:34:06,959 --> 04:34:08,000 >> like real wood 7335 04:34:08,000 --> 04:34:10,240 >> real wood or and then there's even 7336 04:34:10,240 --> 04:34:11,520 different types of wood but I don't know 7337 04:34:11,520 --> 04:34:13,520 if you want to go that detailed but uh 7338 04:34:13,520 --> 04:34:15,359 but I think we will be coming into the 7339 04:34:15,359 --> 04:34:18,000 world I mean even grass all the all 7340 04:34:18,000 --> 04:34:20,240 everything is now 7341 04:34:20,240 --> 04:34:22,320 synthetic grass or whatever is the new 7342 04:34:22,320 --> 04:34:24,240 whatever grass and so these are things 7343 04:34:24,240 --> 04:34:27,600 that are how much natural versus 7344 04:34:27,600 --> 04:34:29,600 synthetic sorry to repeat So 7345 04:34:29,600 --> 04:34:30,799 >> Brent, since you're not going to be 7346 04:34:30,799 --> 04:34:32,639 there, I will be your spokesperson if 7347 04:34:32,639 --> 04:34:36,480 you can the verbiage from your reference 7348 04:34:36,480 --> 04:34:38,320 because I I appreciate what he had to 7349 04:34:38,320 --> 04:34:41,439 say and I will be sure it is stated and 7350 04:34:41,439 --> 04:34:43,840 keep pointing it out as often as needed. 7351 04:34:43,840 --> 04:34:47,600 >> Sounds good. Thanks, Chrissy. 7352 04:34:47,600 --> 04:34:49,920 >> Also on the height, 7353 04:34:49,920 --> 04:34:52,080 uh, this has a height. So So you got the 7354 04:34:52,080 --> 04:34:56,480 last one. the the height here were Ryan 7355 04:34:56,480 --> 04:34:59,439 gave us a really fantastic height thing 7356 04:34:59,439 --> 04:35:03,119 which was dependent on what the setback 7357 04:35:03,119 --> 04:35:08,480 was. Um and so it was not just a number 7358 04:35:08,480 --> 04:35:10,080 it was and so if you're interested in 7359 04:35:10,080 --> 04:35:12,799 this I love it. It was based on the 7360 04:35:12,799 --> 04:35:15,520 setback. So for example it was uh very 7361 04:35:15,520 --> 04:35:19,039 low at our minimum. So let's say it was 7362 04:35:19,039 --> 04:35:21,760 20 feet, but as you increase the 7363 04:35:21,760 --> 04:35:24,561 setback, the height increased to what we 7364 04:35:24,561 --> 04:35:28,400 actually wanted. So in every foot, the 7365 04:35:28,400 --> 04:35:30,080 height increased by one foot. 7366 04:35:30,080 --> 04:35:31,680 >> Is it the rear setback you're talking 7367 04:35:31,680 --> 04:35:31,920 about? 7368 04:35:31,920 --> 04:35:32,799 >> Any any of them? 7369 04:35:32,799 --> 04:35:33,760 >> All of them. 7370 04:35:33,760 --> 04:35:34,320 >> Any 7371 04:35:34,320 --> 04:35:35,920 >> Was that residential or commercial? 7372 04:35:35,920 --> 04:35:38,879 >> That's a residential for accessory 7373 04:35:38,879 --> 04:35:39,760 structures. 7374 04:35:39,760 --> 04:35:42,000 >> Well, we that's what I wanted it for and 7375 04:35:42,000 --> 04:35:43,760 that's what I hope I hope we can make it 7376 04:35:43,760 --> 04:35:46,719 for. But I just said there there's this 7377 04:35:46,719 --> 04:35:48,240 other way of doing heights. 7378 04:35:48,240 --> 04:35:50,320 >> But I think in in this specific document 7379 04:35:50,320 --> 04:35:53,920 and Kaden mentioned it, we want to have 7380 04:35:53,920 --> 04:35:56,240 the street activated. So we don't want 7381 04:35:56,240 --> 04:35:57,920 to keep pulling everything back. And so 7382 04:35:57,920 --> 04:35:59,199 no, I agree. They still have 7383 04:35:59,199 --> 04:36:03,920 >> so it's going to be high right at the right at the uh setback. 7384 04:36:03,920 --> 04:36:05,680 >> I won't use the actual example we have 7385 04:36:05,680 --> 04:36:08,240 right now, but you all know it where a 7386 04:36:08,240 --> 04:36:13,279 very very tall structure could be very close to the road. And if you want 7387 04:36:13,279 --> 04:36:16,480 that to continue, we will have it. But 7388 04:36:16,480 --> 04:36:18,561 if you want to have some sort of design 7389 04:36:18,561 --> 04:36:21,279 that doesn't allow for that, this would 7390 04:36:21,279 --> 04:36:23,439 be one method of doing that. 7391 04:36:23,439 --> 04:36:24,000 >> That's 7392 04:36:24,000 --> 04:36:26,320 >> I don't think we should have our maximum 7393 04:36:26,320 --> 04:36:30,879 height only 5t off the road. I think it 7394 04:36:30,879 --> 04:36:33,039 should step back. If we're going to be, 7395 04:36:33,039 --> 04:36:35,439 you know, a 10ft set back, then it can 7396 04:36:35,439 --> 04:36:37,199 only be 20t tall, 7397 04:36:37,199 --> 04:36:39,439 >> something like that. And then if you go 7398 04:36:39,439 --> 04:36:41,359 >> 15 to 30 feet back you can raise it 7399 04:36:41,359 --> 04:36:43,039 higher. And what you've effectively done 7400 04:36:43,039 --> 04:36:46,000 is allowed a developer to build large 7401 04:36:46,000 --> 04:36:46,959 but not 7402 04:36:46,959 --> 04:36:47,439 >> okay 7403 04:36:47,439 --> 04:36:49,520 >> cramp everyone their their 7404 04:36:49,520 --> 04:36:51,439 >> I like that idea. And their way of doing 7405 04:36:51,439 --> 04:36:52,959 that was saying if it goes to the third 7406 04:36:52,959 --> 04:36:54,879 story it has to be set back six feet. 7407 04:36:54,879 --> 04:36:55,840 >> Sure. Something like that. Something 7408 04:36:55,840 --> 04:36:56,480 like that. 7409 04:36:56,480 --> 04:36:57,520 >> Like it's right there. 7410 04:36:57,520 --> 04:36:59,279 >> After after second story it actually 7411 04:36:59,279 --> 04:37:00,000 says yeah. 7412 04:37:00,000 --> 04:37:00,879 >> Yeah. After second story. 7413 04:37:00,879 --> 04:37:01,680 >> So you've already got something like 7414 04:37:01,680 --> 04:37:03,199 that. I apologize. So it would we would 7415 04:37:03,199 --> 04:37:03,680 just 7416 04:37:03,680 --> 04:37:05,920 >> It was that exact It was for that exact 7417 04:37:05,920 --> 04:37:06,879 reason that you're saying. 7418 04:37:06,879 --> 04:37:08,480 >> Well, it's not like a just a big wall 7419 04:37:08,480 --> 04:37:08,879 straight up. 7420 04:37:08,879 --> 04:37:10,879 >> It's not three stories tall. If if you 7421 04:37:10,879 --> 04:37:11,359 go 7422 04:37:11,359 --> 04:37:13,279 >> right it's it's back a little bit and we 7423 04:37:13,279 --> 04:37:18,480 can just make sure that if you like that it's appropriate because uh things 7424 04:37:18,480 --> 04:37:20,480 can get really tall. 7425 04:37:20,480 --> 04:37:22,320 >> Yeah. And if if we need to be restrictor 7426 04:37:22,320 --> 04:37:23,680 on that, we can look at doing it 7427 04:37:23,680 --> 04:37:25,279 stricter. I do agree with what he's 7428 04:37:25,279 --> 04:37:26,480 saying. We don't want 7429 04:37:26,480 --> 04:37:27,439 >> Yeah. This came from 7430 04:37:27,439 --> 04:37:30,959 >> 34 flat building right on a five foot 7431 04:37:30,959 --> 04:37:32,639 off the street. I agree. 7432 04:37:32,639 --> 04:37:34,639 >> So I don't know how to write it. If this 7433 04:37:34,639 --> 04:37:36,480 is if that's allowed based on these 7434 04:37:36,480 --> 04:37:39,439 standards, we need to adjust. 7435 04:37:39,439 --> 04:37:41,680 >> It does not because they have it set for 7436 04:37:41,680 --> 04:37:44,639 15 and 20 ft and then if you go above a 7437 04:37:44,639 --> 04:37:45,920 second story, then you have 7438 04:37:45,920 --> 04:37:49,279 >> But what if each story is 20 is 17 feet? 7439 04:37:49,279 --> 04:37:50,799 Then it's still only two stories and 7440 04:37:50,799 --> 04:37:52,719 they could get around it like what we 7441 04:37:52,719 --> 04:37:54,480 have now. Now I guess the people that 7442 04:37:54,480 --> 04:37:58,400 I'm talking to now are trying 7443 04:37:58,400 --> 04:38:00,320 >> I'd imagine them putting 7444 04:38:00,320 --> 04:38:02,959 >> I understand but we we're trying to make 7445 04:38:02,959 --> 04:38:04,639 it future 7446 04:38:04,639 --> 04:38:06,719 >> future proof. I don't know how, Kaden, 7447 04:38:06,719 --> 04:38:08,561 but I agree with everything they're 7448 04:38:08,561 --> 04:38:10,561 saying. And if it's allowed under these 7449 04:38:10,561 --> 04:38:11,920 standards, we need to write another 7450 04:38:11,920 --> 04:38:14,080 little line item there to say, 7451 04:38:14,080 --> 04:38:16,160 >> you know, just like you won't allow 20 7452 04:38:16,160 --> 04:38:20,320 flat feet, 20 feet of flat horizontally, 7453 04:38:20,320 --> 04:38:22,240 we don't want more than 20 feet 7454 04:38:22,240 --> 04:38:24,879 vertically, right? So to me, it's like 7455 04:38:24,879 --> 04:38:26,160 the same dimension 7456 04:38:26,160 --> 04:38:27,279 >> unless it's way back. 7457 04:38:27,279 --> 04:38:28,639 >> And well, that's what I mean. If it's 7458 04:38:28,639 --> 04:38:30,400 going to it's going to go higher than 20 7459 04:38:30,400 --> 04:38:35,359 feet and just be one flat thing, what do we need to change above the 20 7460 04:38:35,359 --> 04:38:37,680 feet? It's very height. We're very 7461 04:38:37,680 --> 04:38:38,719 sensitive height because we have a 7462 04:38:38,719 --> 04:38:39,520 beautiful mountain. 7463 04:38:39,520 --> 04:38:39,840 >> Yeah. 7464 04:38:39,840 --> 04:38:41,520 >> Everyone wants to look at. 7465 04:38:41,520 --> 04:38:44,160 >> Well, it's just it's it it feels like it 7466 04:38:44,160 --> 04:38:46,879 looms over you because it's the height 7467 04:38:46,879 --> 04:38:49,119 and the flatness of it where that's what 7468 04:38:49,119 --> 04:38:50,799 and that's what the architects we we did 7469 04:38:50,799 --> 04:38:52,879 talk about that. I don't think this is 7470 04:38:52,879 --> 04:38:55,600 maybe strict enough to what to prevent 7471 04:38:55,600 --> 04:38:57,520 seeing what we're talking about. It's an 7472 04:38:57,520 --> 04:38:59,840 opportunity to really improve something 7473 04:38:59,840 --> 04:39:01,439 that we're finding and and now we're 7474 04:39:01,439 --> 04:39:02,719 here. So, it's just an opportunity to 7475 04:39:02,719 --> 04:39:05,199 really set it in so that we basically 7476 04:39:05,199 --> 04:39:07,600 preserve everything she just said that 7477 04:39:07,600 --> 04:39:09,600 the you know, you never see a sunset in 7478 04:39:09,600 --> 04:39:11,359 the middle of Manhattan. You just can't 7479 04:39:11,359 --> 04:39:12,160 see it. 7480 04:39:12,160 --> 04:39:13,600 >> You got to leave and then you get to see 7481 04:39:13,600 --> 04:39:15,199 it. And we don't that we have a sign 7482 04:39:15,199 --> 04:39:16,400 kind of same thing. We want to be able 7483 04:39:16,400 --> 04:39:17,520 to see that. 7484 04:39:17,520 --> 04:39:18,160 >> Yeah. 7485 04:39:18,160 --> 04:39:19,920 >> Because the buildings block it. Yeah. 7486 04:39:19,920 --> 04:39:21,199 >> I don't know if you caught that analogy. 7487 04:39:21,199 --> 04:39:21,680 Sorry. 7488 04:39:21,680 --> 04:39:23,199 >> Yeah. So, 7489 04:39:23,199 --> 04:39:27,279 >> this does also, are you on? Oh, I'm I'm jumping ahead. Sorry, I got to 7490 04:39:27,279 --> 04:39:27,680 watch. 7491 04:39:27,680 --> 04:39:29,439 >> Yeah, let's continue. These suggestions 7492 04:39:29,439 --> 04:39:30,799 you're making are great. If you want to 7493 04:39:30,799 --> 04:39:32,879 include them in the email you sent me of 7494 04:39:32,879 --> 04:39:34,400 suggestions to send to the consultant to 7495 04:39:34,400 --> 04:39:36,320 update the document. 7496 04:39:36,320 --> 04:39:37,920 >> I will [clears throat] say that I I 7497 04:39:37,920 --> 04:39:41,520 think that sometimes um height can feel 7498 04:39:41,520 --> 04:39:43,760 overwhelming, but really in a good main 7499 04:39:43,760 --> 04:39:45,280 street public realm, it can be 7500 04:39:45,280 --> 04:39:48,240 beneficial. Like as a pedestrian, 7501 04:39:48,240 --> 04:39:49,680 creating an outdoor living room 7502 04:39:49,680 --> 04:39:52,560 sometimes does require taller buildings 7503 04:39:52,560 --> 04:39:54,958 and it can feel comfortable to walk in 7504 04:39:54,958 --> 04:39:56,798 those spaces. If you've ever been to any 7505 04:39:56,798 --> 04:39:58,480 place in Europe, you would know what 7506 04:39:58,480 --> 04:40:00,000 that feels like. You don't feel 7507 04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:01,600 overwhelmed by the height. I mean, I 7508 04:40:01,600 --> 04:40:02,718 don't think they're massive buildings 7509 04:40:02,718 --> 04:40:03,680 either. We're not talking about 7510 04:40:03,680 --> 04:40:06,000 Manhattan, but we're talking about a 7511 04:40:06,000 --> 04:40:08,798 nice boxy type structure that the street 7512 04:40:08,798 --> 04:40:10,240 creates that makes you feel comfortable 7513 04:40:10,240 --> 04:40:13,680 in that space. Um, so feel free to send 7514 04:40:13,680 --> 04:40:15,360 me those recommendations and we can talk 7515 04:40:15,360 --> 04:40:17,040 to our consultant or even research that 7516 04:40:17,040 --> 04:40:19,760 further. Um, but uh I don't think it has 7517 04:40:19,760 --> 04:40:21,680 to be feared as much as we might think 7518 04:40:21,680 --> 04:40:24,240 in those spaces. Just my two cents on 7519 04:40:24,240 --> 04:40:25,280 that. 7520 04:40:25,280 --> 04:40:26,000 >> Thank you. 7521 04:40:26,000 --> 04:40:27,798 >> Yeah, 7522 04:40:27,798 --> 04:40:31,510 [clears throat] 7523 04:40:31,520 --> 04:40:33,040 » Sarah and I found it interesting that 7524 04:40:33,040 --> 04:40:35,120 this points out the gabled roofs on the 7525 04:40:35,120 --> 04:40:36,958 P. I know you just wanted to slide right 7526 04:40:36,958 --> 04:40:38,798 past it, Kaden. Yeah, right there. 7527 04:40:38,798 --> 04:40:41,760 >> No, let's look at it. It says um where 7528 04:40:41,760 --> 04:40:50,708 does that say that? 7529 04:40:50,718 --> 04:40:52,560 » I think the picture illustrates the 7530 04:40:52,560 --> 04:40:54,560 gabled roofs, but on the next page down 7531 04:40:54,560 --> 04:40:56,480 under the design guideline matrix where 7532 04:40:56,480 --> 04:40:58,878 it talks about roof types. It's 7533 04:40:58,878 --> 04:41:00,958 interesting that it says under our main 7534 04:41:00,958 --> 04:41:02,958 street civic and m mixed use that 7535 04:41:02,958 --> 04:41:06,878 there's gabled roof forms which to me 7536 04:41:06,878 --> 04:41:10,160 kind of reiterates that maybe the 7537 04:41:10,160 --> 04:41:12,638 vestibule on the fire station might look 7538 04:41:12,638 --> 04:41:13,200 nice gable. 7539 04:41:13,200 --> 04:41:15,200 >> No, it says flat roofs allowed for 7540 04:41:15,200 --> 04:41:17,840 commercial. The fire station is a 7541 04:41:17,840 --> 04:41:19,760 commercial building. Can you go up? What 7542 04:41:19,760 --> 04:41:21,280 is the what is the point of those two 7543 04:41:21,280 --> 04:41:25,030 pictures of a 7544 04:41:25,040 --> 04:41:26,560 » So this is Yeah. just showing the high 7545 04:41:26,560 --> 04:41:28,958 the step back after the second story 7546 04:41:28,958 --> 04:41:31,680 what that could look like and then just 7547 04:41:31,680 --> 04:41:34,160 the the blank wall. 7548 04:41:34,160 --> 04:41:35,520 >> I do think it's showing that the 7549 04:41:35,520 --> 04:41:38,000 residential or the mixed use has a gable 7550 04:41:38,000 --> 04:41:40,400 but the commercial has a flat roof 7551 04:41:40,400 --> 04:41:44,080 >> that Oh yeah, that's correct as well. 7552 04:41:44,080 --> 04:41:44,320 >> Okay. 7553 04:41:44,320 --> 04:41:45,760 >> Yeah. Like I think they've copied and 7554 04:41:45,760 --> 04:41:47,920 pasted these images from other city 7555 04:41:47,920 --> 04:41:48,718 things. 7556 04:41:48,718 --> 04:41:50,080 >> I don't think there's anything wrong 7557 04:41:50,080 --> 04:41:50,560 with it. 7558 04:41:50,560 --> 04:41:52,080 >> Oh, but there could be so much right 7559 04:41:52,080 --> 04:41:53,840 with it. [laughter] 7560 04:41:53,840 --> 04:42:01,670 >> Well, okay. Sorry. Sorry to distract. 7561 04:42:01,680 --> 04:42:02,240 » All good. 7562 04:42:02,240 --> 04:42:04,160 >> Yeah, this is good. And this will be one 7563 04:42:04,160 --> 04:42:06,638 we'll want to really dive into because 7564 04:42:06,638 --> 04:42:08,718 we're going to have to do it by October. 7565 04:42:08,718 --> 04:42:11,280 Uh all of the ADUs and I'm sure we're 7566 04:42:11,280 --> 04:42:13,200 going to want to put in a section for 7567 04:42:13,200 --> 04:42:15,680 the detached ADUs. And at the latest 7568 04:42:15,680 --> 04:42:20,638 training, we got a whole list of every 7569 04:42:20,638 --> 04:42:22,320 uh 7570 04:42:22,320 --> 04:42:25,120 um every piece of what we would want to 7571 04:42:25,120 --> 04:42:26,958 consider from parking to height to set 7572 04:42:26,958 --> 04:42:30,560 back to the size of the primary dwelling 7573 04:42:30,560 --> 04:42:32,878 or not to the 11,000 square feet or mess 7574 04:42:32,878 --> 04:42:34,160 that move that around. 7575 04:42:34,160 --> 04:42:35,040 >> Correct. 7576 04:42:35,040 --> 04:42:37,280 >> When do you think we'll see that Kaden? 7577 04:42:37,280 --> 04:42:39,200 >> Yeah, I'm currently working on it. We've 7578 04:42:39,200 --> 04:42:42,400 been researching it. Um, so hopefully 7579 04:42:42,400 --> 04:42:44,878 probably within the next two months 7580 04:42:44,878 --> 04:42:46,000 rendering of a while. 7581 04:42:46,000 --> 04:42:47,200 >> We talked to a consultant called 7582 04:42:47,200 --> 04:42:48,798 Libertas. I think that was great. 7583 04:42:48,798 --> 04:42:50,160 >> Are you familiar with them? 7584 04:42:50,160 --> 04:42:51,120 >> I'm not. 7585 04:42:51,120 --> 04:42:51,680 >> Okay. Cuz 7586 04:42:51,680 --> 04:42:53,120 >> well, we can pass you their notes. They 7587 04:42:53,120 --> 04:42:54,240 passed them all to us 7588 04:42:54,240 --> 04:42:56,080 >> just because they they've worked with um 7589 04:42:56,080 --> 04:42:58,000 ADUs across the country about what not 7590 04:42:58,000 --> 04:42:59,840 to do. So we don't 7591 04:42:59,840 --> 04:43:00,320 >> Okay. 7592 04:43:00,320 --> 04:43:03,120 >> So it's more about restricting than 7593 04:43:03,120 --> 04:43:04,080 anything else. 7594 04:43:04,080 --> 04:43:05,120 >> Yeah. So, 7595 04:43:05,120 --> 04:43:06,718 >> do you think that this would go in 7596 04:43:06,718 --> 04:43:08,798 there, the detach adu stuff, or do you 7597 04:43:08,798 --> 04:43:10,638 want that not in this part since it's 7598 04:43:10,638 --> 04:43:12,878 going to be part of our future, which I 7599 04:43:12,878 --> 04:43:14,878 I'm regretting, but it looks like it has 7600 04:43:14,878 --> 04:43:15,280 to be. 7601 04:43:15,280 --> 04:43:17,360 >> Yeah, I mean, this is I think what they 7602 04:43:17,360 --> 04:43:22,080 did was they kind of took what is um 7603 04:43:22,080 --> 04:43:23,840 because we, you know, they know about 7604 04:43:23,840 --> 04:43:25,600 our ADUs, but we knew that this was 7605 04:43:25,600 --> 04:43:27,760 coming down the line. And what we asked 7606 04:43:27,760 --> 04:43:31,200 them to do was what would make sense for 7607 04:43:31,200 --> 04:43:33,440 a community our size? and they because 7608 04:43:33,440 --> 04:43:35,120 they did come out here several times, 7609 04:43:35,120 --> 04:43:37,840 they understand what our community wants 7610 04:43:37,840 --> 04:43:40,000 and needs are that what would make 7611 04:43:40,000 --> 04:43:41,840 sense. And so yeah, we could look at 7612 04:43:41,840 --> 04:43:44,560 these if it's objectionable, we can 7613 04:43:44,560 --> 04:43:47,120 always change it, but these are just 7614 04:43:47,120 --> 04:43:50,080 basic guidelines that they put in there. 7615 04:43:50,080 --> 04:43:53,840 >> Cool. Yeah. To contribute to that, um, 7616 04:43:53,840 --> 04:43:56,560 ADUs will be required on any lot 11,000 7617 04:43:56,560 --> 04:43:59,520 square feet or larger, as I'm sure you 7618 04:43:59,520 --> 04:44:02,480 know. And then but as far as the how um 7619 04:44:02,480 --> 04:44:04,958 everything else regarding those is all 7620 04:44:04,958 --> 04:44:06,560 up to council discretion of how we want 7621 04:44:06,560 --> 04:44:07,840 to codify that. 7622 04:44:07,840 --> 04:44:10,000 >> And I also think like you know if we are 7623 04:44:10,000 --> 04:44:12,160 to I think you know I like this where it 7624 04:44:12,160 --> 04:44:14,638 has like a maximum size or you know it 7625 04:44:14,638 --> 04:44:17,760 has a certain square footage or does it 7626 04:44:17,760 --> 04:44:20,400 or also has it as a percentage of the 7627 04:44:20,400 --> 04:44:23,200 main structure or whichever is less. I 7628 04:44:23,200 --> 04:44:24,560 like doing that 7629 04:44:24,560 --> 04:44:26,480 >> and if we can kind of, you know, and I 7630 04:44:26,480 --> 04:44:29,496 like the maximum height um that maybe 7631 04:44:29,496 --> 04:44:31,280 [clears throat] on the ADUs maybe we 7632 04:44:31,280 --> 04:44:34,080 don't allow 34 ft. Not maybe, I don't 7633 04:44:34,080 --> 04:44:37,040 think we should allow 34 feet on an ADU. 7634 04:44:37,040 --> 04:44:39,040 >> That we definitely have a maximum height 7635 04:44:39,040 --> 04:44:40,718 for those. 7636 04:44:40,718 --> 04:44:43,360 >> Um so I I feel like maybe when we draft 7637 04:44:43,360 --> 04:44:45,760 ours, we should kind of look at this and 7638 04:44:45,760 --> 04:44:49,360 see if we how we want to tweak it. um 7639 04:44:49,360 --> 04:44:50,718 considering that it's going to be in a 7640 04:44:50,718 --> 04:44:52,878 residential as opposed to a business 7641 04:44:52,878 --> 04:44:53,920 commercial. 7642 04:44:53,920 --> 04:44:55,520 >> Was there any direction from the state 7643 04:44:55,520 --> 04:44:58,080 with um setbacks from the primary 7644 04:44:58,080 --> 04:44:59,680 structure or can we dictate that? 7645 04:44:59,680 --> 04:45:00,878 >> That is up to the city's discretion. 7646 04:45:00,878 --> 04:45:01,680 >> That's up to us. 7647 04:45:01,680 --> 04:45:03,040 >> Yes. 7648 04:45:03,040 --> 04:45:05,360 >> So yeah, that's it's it's very open as 7649 04:45:05,360 --> 04:45:06,798 far as 7650 04:45:06,798 --> 04:45:08,638 >> 50 ft. I'm just kidding. 7651 04:45:08,638 --> 04:45:10,638 >> Do we have a lot of regulations? Do we 7652 04:45:10,638 --> 04:45:12,160 have a lot of lots in the business 7653 04:45:12,160 --> 04:45:15,440 commercial residential larger than or 7654 04:45:15,440 --> 04:45:16,798 that would meet the requirement of 7655 04:45:16,798 --> 04:45:18,560 11,000 square feet? 7656 04:45:18,560 --> 04:45:19,680 >> You know, as I was just looking at this, 7657 04:45:19,680 --> 04:45:21,200 that was my question as well. I'm not 7658 04:45:21,200 --> 04:45:22,958 sure. I would have to look into that. 7659 04:45:22,958 --> 04:45:23,600 >> Okay. Yeah. 7660 04:45:23,600 --> 04:45:25,440 >> And then I've heard rumblings that the 7661 04:45:25,440 --> 04:45:27,920 state also I I didn't read it when I 7662 04:45:27,920 --> 04:45:30,638 read the law, but that they also uh 7663 04:45:30,638 --> 04:45:32,560 included that we did have to require 7664 04:45:32,560 --> 04:45:35,200 that the size be no bigger than the 7665 04:45:35,200 --> 04:45:37,840 primary dwelling. I thought that was too 7666 04:45:37,840 --> 04:45:41,040 far, but am I wrong in that? That is I'm 7667 04:45:41,040 --> 04:45:42,878 trying to remember if that's a a 7668 04:45:42,878 --> 04:45:44,718 decision that the municipality can make 7669 04:45:44,718 --> 04:45:46,160 or if it's required. 7670 04:45:46,160 --> 04:45:48,160 >> I sure hope it's municipality. 7671 04:45:48,160 --> 04:45:50,718 >> I would assume that the municip that we 7672 04:45:50,718 --> 04:45:52,718 would want to have that as a rule anyway 7673 04:45:52,718 --> 04:45:54,080 that it can't be larger than the main 7674 04:45:54,080 --> 04:45:54,638 dwelling. 7675 04:45:54,638 --> 04:45:56,240 >> I think that's what they require. I'm 7676 04:45:56,240 --> 04:45:57,760 not sure though. You maybe 7677 04:45:57,760 --> 04:45:58,480 >> Yeah, 7678 04:45:58,480 --> 04:46:00,638 >> like that we can't we can't make it 7679 04:46:00,638 --> 04:46:02,160 smaller than that. 7680 04:46:02,160 --> 04:46:03,760 >> Like that's what I was told and I was 7681 04:46:03,760 --> 04:46:05,280 like well yeah that's 7682 04:46:05,280 --> 04:46:08,000 >> let's look into it more and try do what 7683 04:46:08,000 --> 04:46:09,920 we can. Yeah. 7684 04:46:09,920 --> 04:46:10,400 >> Limited. 7685 04:46:10,400 --> 04:46:11,840 >> My understanding was that we could put 7686 04:46:11,840 --> 04:46:13,520 those kind of limitations on it that it 7687 04:46:13,520 --> 04:46:15,840 does not have to be the exact size of 7688 04:46:15,840 --> 04:46:16,878 >> the primary structure. 7689 04:46:16,878 --> 04:46:19,360 >> No, not at all. That's that is correct. 7690 04:46:19,360 --> 04:46:22,400 >> Thank you. 7691 04:46:22,400 --> 04:46:25,040 >> And Andrew, I would say most of the lots 7692 04:46:25,040 --> 04:46:27,440 in the business commercial are Yes. At 7693 04:46:27,440 --> 04:46:30,080 least 11,000. 7694 04:46:30,080 --> 04:46:31,840 >> Okay. So, this would probably have quite 7695 04:46:31,840 --> 04:46:33,520 a bit of application there as well as 7696 04:46:33,520 --> 04:46:36,080 everywhere else. But keep in mind that, 7697 04:46:36,080 --> 04:46:38,080 you know, if you do the right offsets 7698 04:46:38,080 --> 04:46:39,200 and if you're really [clears throat] 7699 04:46:39,200 --> 04:46:41,040 going to have it's either going to be 7700 04:46:41,040 --> 04:46:42,878 someone's going to have a primary home 7701 04:46:42,878 --> 04:46:46,320 and a small ADU or they're going to do a 7702 04:46:46,320 --> 04:46:48,638 mixeduse. I don't think they'll have 7703 04:46:48,638 --> 04:46:50,560 room for an ADU to be able to do the 7704 04:46:50,560 --> 04:46:52,798 parking that would work within the 7705 04:46:52,798 --> 04:46:54,080 ordinance. 7706 04:46:54,080 --> 04:46:56,400 >> Yeah. Very good. 7707 04:46:56,400 --> 04:46:56,718 >> Um 7708 04:46:56,718 --> 04:46:58,000 >> I think you can do both. 7709 04:46:58,000 --> 04:47:00,718 >> Yeah. While we're on this ADU, I'm going 7710 04:47:00,718 --> 04:47:02,878 to send you a list that you and I I 7711 04:47:02,878 --> 04:47:04,878 think we talked we both got feedback 7712 04:47:04,878 --> 04:47:07,440 from different roles, but um another 7713 04:47:07,440 --> 04:47:08,718 thing was whether or not we want it to 7714 04:47:08,718 --> 04:47:10,160 be owner occupied. 7715 04:47:10,160 --> 04:47:11,520 >> That's right. That was a big 7716 04:47:11,520 --> 04:47:12,878 >> I don't know if this is the right place 7717 04:47:12,878 --> 04:47:14,480 to put this or it belongs in the 7718 04:47:14,480 --> 04:47:15,840 ordinance. 7719 04:47:15,840 --> 04:47:17,120 >> It definitely will belong in the 7720 04:47:17,120 --> 04:47:19,600 ordinance. Okay. Um we could potentially 7721 04:47:19,600 --> 04:47:21,040 include it here as well, but that would 7722 04:47:21,040 --> 04:47:22,480 be part of the ordinance that we can 7723 04:47:22,480 --> 04:47:23,520 make a decision on. 7724 04:47:23,520 --> 04:47:24,080 >> Okay. 7725 04:47:24,080 --> 04:47:26,560 >> Yeah, that's allowed to the to determine 7726 04:47:26,560 --> 04:47:28,160 by the city. Thank you. 7727 04:47:28,160 --> 04:47:30,958 >> Great point. 7728 04:47:30,958 --> 04:47:34,718 >> So on that, are you talking about like a 7729 04:47:34,718 --> 04:47:37,520 commercial with living space above being 7730 04:47:37,520 --> 04:47:40,560 owner occupied? 7731 04:47:40,560 --> 04:47:41,040 >> Yes. 7732 04:47:41,040 --> 04:47:43,378 >> Talking about residential ADA. 7733 04:47:43,378 --> 04:47:43,760 [clears throat] 7734 04:47:43,760 --> 04:47:46,000 >> I I don't That's what needs to be 7735 04:47:46,000 --> 04:47:49,280 refined. I I don't have an answer, but 7736 04:47:49,280 --> 04:47:51,280 um that you couldn't I think it was more 7737 04:47:51,280 --> 04:47:53,120 residential. Now that you're making me 7738 04:47:53,120 --> 04:47:54,000 think about it, 7739 04:47:54,000 --> 04:47:56,160 >> I'm just thinking of, you know, if there 7740 04:47:56,160 --> 04:47:58,400 was a commercial building on the main 7741 04:47:58,400 --> 04:48:00,638 floor here on Main Street, 7742 04:48:00,638 --> 04:48:03,760 >> but living space up above. I think in 7743 04:48:03,760 --> 04:48:06,160 this community, having that owner 7744 04:48:06,160 --> 04:48:07,120 occupied is 7745 04:48:07,120 --> 04:48:07,680 >> not going to happen. [snorts] 7746 04:48:07,680 --> 04:48:08,878 >> Not going to happen. That's what I think 7747 04:48:08,878 --> 04:48:10,718 too. I mean, I think maybe that was 7748 04:48:10,718 --> 04:48:12,400 >> you can do that now, right? That's what 7749 04:48:12,400 --> 04:48:14,638 that's allowable within our ordinance 7750 04:48:14,638 --> 04:48:18,878 that you can have a you can have a 7751 04:48:18,878 --> 04:48:21,920 residential structure attached to. Okay, 7752 04:48:21,920 --> 04:48:24,560 >> a commercial site that's allowable, but 7753 04:48:24,560 --> 04:48:28,160 the concept of having a nonowner 7754 04:48:28,160 --> 04:48:30,000 residential, 7755 04:48:30,000 --> 04:48:31,200 that's new. 7756 04:48:31,200 --> 04:48:33,440 >> So maybe what we would need is a set of 7757 04:48:33,440 --> 04:48:35,600 an ordinances for if you're in 7758 04:48:35,600 --> 04:48:37,760 commercial and you have an ADU versus 7759 04:48:37,760 --> 04:48:40,000 when you're in residential, you'd have a 7760 04:48:40,000 --> 04:48:41,520 completely different set and that's when 7761 04:48:41,520 --> 04:48:43,520 the owner occupied would come into play 7762 04:48:43,520 --> 04:48:45,200 or you have to have an owner either in 7763 04:48:45,200 --> 04:48:45,920 either building. 7764 04:48:45,920 --> 04:48:46,878 >> Definitely. Correct. You know what I'm 7765 04:48:46,878 --> 04:48:49,280 saying? I was just saying for kind of 7766 04:48:49,280 --> 04:48:51,920 these primary um you know guidelines 7767 04:48:51,920 --> 04:48:53,760 that they have that maybe we go off of 7768 04:48:53,760 --> 04:48:55,520 that and then we work from that. 7769 04:48:55,520 --> 04:48:57,600 >> So with the ADU on the residential 7770 04:48:57,600 --> 04:48:59,280 property you would require it to be 7771 04:48:59,280 --> 04:49:02,320 owner occupied. So a separate owner. 7772 04:49:02,320 --> 04:49:05,600 >> No no no no primary residence or either 7773 04:49:05,600 --> 04:49:06,560 in the 7774 04:49:06,560 --> 04:49:09,360 >> ADU but the owner owner needs to reside 7775 04:49:09,360 --> 04:49:10,160 in one of those. 7776 04:49:10,160 --> 04:49:12,400 >> Oh one of the two not both. Okay. 7777 04:49:12,400 --> 04:49:13,520 >> I I was going the same 7778 04:49:13,520 --> 04:49:14,400 >> Yeah. That's what I that's what it 7779 04:49:14,400 --> 04:49:15,920 sounded like to me. Like that's that's 7780 04:49:15,920 --> 04:49:17,280 not going to work either. 7781 04:49:17,280 --> 04:49:19,440 >> So it's like an attached ADU, right? 7782 04:49:19,440 --> 04:49:21,360 What we have currently that if you have 7783 04:49:21,360 --> 04:49:23,440 an attached ADU, you it needs to be 7784 04:49:23,440 --> 04:49:25,200 owner occupied. Whether it's the primary 7785 04:49:25,200 --> 04:49:27,040 unit or the secondary, you need to be 7786 04:49:27,040 --> 04:49:28,400 residing. You need to be 7787 04:49:28,400 --> 04:49:29,840 >> you can't rent both of them. 7788 04:49:29,840 --> 04:49:31,920 >> Correct. 7789 04:49:31,920 --> 04:49:33,280 >> Okay, let's move on. 7790 04:49:33,280 --> 04:49:36,310 >> Okay. 7791 04:49:36,320 --> 04:49:38,080 » Any questions on these? So, public realm 7792 04:49:38,080 --> 04:49:40,080 standards are new from the current 7793 04:49:40,080 --> 04:49:42,480 historic gateway and the large lot 7794 04:49:42,480 --> 04:49:45,120 standards are also new. 7795 04:49:45,120 --> 04:49:47,840 Um, 7796 04:49:47,840 --> 04:49:57,510 I thought the large lot standards were a good ad here. 7797 04:49:57,520 --> 04:49:59,120 All right, let's go to these. So, here's 7798 04:49:59,120 --> 04:50:02,718 the ADU represented. Um, so currently 7799 04:50:02,718 --> 04:50:05,120 main street mixed use for ADUs, they 7800 04:50:05,120 --> 04:50:06,560 have to be at least 15 feet away from 7801 04:50:06,560 --> 04:50:08,400 the primary dwelling and then town 7802 04:50:08,400 --> 04:50:10,878 center is 30. Again, that's something 7803 04:50:10,878 --> 04:50:12,320 that we can determine in the ordinance 7804 04:50:12,320 --> 04:50:14,480 if that's going to hold up. Uh, for sure 7805 04:50:14,480 --> 04:50:16,480 is codified. 7806 04:50:16,480 --> 04:50:18,080 This could just be a suggestion. 7807 04:50:18,080 --> 04:50:19,840 >> This maybe it's just the diagram, but it 7808 04:50:19,840 --> 04:50:21,200 looks like there's a zero lot line 7809 04:50:21,200 --> 04:50:22,160 there. Is that 7810 04:50:22,160 --> 04:50:22,560 >> I mean, 7811 04:50:22,560 --> 04:50:23,840 >> yeah. How does anyone do you have a 7812 04:50:23,840 --> 04:50:24,240 setback 7813 04:50:24,240 --> 04:50:25,680 >> setbacks for? We're not talking about 7814 04:50:25,680 --> 04:50:26,080 the 7815 04:50:26,080 --> 04:50:27,840 >> Yeah, it's just the diagram here. 7816 04:50:27,840 --> 04:50:29,200 Correct. Yeah. This is not supposed to 7817 04:50:29,200 --> 04:50:30,638 represent 7818 04:50:30,638 --> 04:50:33,360 I think one of the goals should be li 7819 04:50:33,360 --> 04:50:36,638 limiting main street parking. So making 7820 04:50:36,638 --> 04:50:38,958 a requirement that they have 7821 04:50:38,958 --> 04:50:40,560 >> parking for the ADU in the back. 7822 04:50:40,560 --> 04:50:40,958 >> Yes. 7823 04:50:40,958 --> 04:50:43,360 >> Dedicated parking for the ADU aside from 7824 04:50:43,360 --> 04:50:44,000 their 7825 04:50:44,000 --> 04:50:46,160 >> and same for residential too, right? Off 7826 04:50:46,160 --> 04:50:47,360 streetet parking. 7827 04:50:47,360 --> 04:50:47,680 >> Yes. 7828 04:50:47,680 --> 04:50:49,280 >> So that's what we want for Main Street 7829 04:50:49,280 --> 04:50:52,080 and also for residential is that they 7830 04:50:52,080 --> 04:50:55,120 show proof of off streetet parking. 7831 04:50:55,120 --> 04:50:56,480 Katie, does that 7832 04:50:56,480 --> 04:50:59,200 >> just looking at that diagram 7833 04:50:59,200 --> 04:51:02,320 like the example that I just gave, does 7834 04:51:02,320 --> 04:51:04,798 that preclude that 7835 04:51:04,798 --> 04:51:06,718 >> like 7836 04:51:06,718 --> 04:51:09,440 having a twostory building with living 7837 04:51:09,440 --> 04:51:10,638 space on top? 7838 04:51:10,638 --> 04:51:13,360 >> No, was separate. You know what I mean, 7839 04:51:13,360 --> 04:51:15,280 >> right? Yeah. No, it shouldn't preclude 7840 04:51:15,280 --> 04:51:15,840 that. No. 7841 04:51:15,840 --> 04:51:16,638 >> Okay. 7842 04:51:16,638 --> 04:51:18,876 >> Um 7843 04:51:18,876 --> 04:51:23,270 [clears throat] Yeah. 7844 04:51:23,280 --> 04:51:24,400 Okay. Okay. And then speaking of 7845 04:51:24,400 --> 04:51:25,840 parking, that's what this next section 7846 04:51:25,840 --> 04:51:27,520 is about. 7847 04:51:27,520 --> 04:51:29,120 Uh, one of the best sections for sure 7848 04:51:29,120 --> 04:51:31,440 for our for our urban realm, what we 7849 04:51:31,440 --> 04:51:33,520 want for the parking there. So, the 7850 04:51:33,520 --> 04:51:35,360 location should be behind this on the 7851 04:51:35,360 --> 04:51:38,240 side or behind the buildings. Uh, no 7852 04:51:38,240 --> 04:51:39,840 service parking allowed at front lot 7853 04:51:39,840 --> 04:51:43,520 line. Um, and then similar in the town 7854 04:51:43,520 --> 04:51:44,240 center. 7855 04:51:44,240 --> 04:51:46,080 >> Mayor, are these folks wanting park? I 7856 04:51:46,080 --> 04:51:47,280 I've heard them before like Cooper, 7857 04:51:47,280 --> 04:51:49,520 several other families, good families, 7858 04:51:49,520 --> 04:51:51,920 uh, that own uh, property on Main 7859 04:51:51,920 --> 04:51:53,600 Street. When they're coming and asking 7860 04:51:53,600 --> 04:51:57,360 about parking, wanting change setbacks 7861 04:51:57,360 --> 04:51:59,840 so that they can adequately have 7862 04:51:59,840 --> 04:52:02,000 parking, what are they wanting? Are they 7863 04:52:02,000 --> 04:52:03,600 wanting to put the parking behind the 7864 04:52:03,600 --> 04:52:04,240 structures? 7865 04:52:04,240 --> 04:52:04,798 >> Behind. Yeah. 7866 04:52:04,798 --> 04:52:06,000 >> So, they don't want it in front, they 7867 04:52:06,000 --> 04:52:06,638 want it behind. 7868 04:52:06,638 --> 04:52:08,000 >> No, everyone's talking about in the 7869 04:52:08,000 --> 04:52:09,840 back. And I think the main concern was 7870 04:52:09,840 --> 04:52:12,560 taking deliveries like refrigerated 7871 04:52:12,560 --> 04:52:14,560 trucks. They were talking more like food 7872 04:52:14,560 --> 04:52:16,878 stuff, you know, large deliveries and 7873 04:52:16,878 --> 04:52:18,400 they need to They were worried about 7874 04:52:18,400 --> 04:52:21,520 having enough room to do 7875 04:52:21,520 --> 04:52:23,680 being able to get their turnaround, do 7876 04:52:23,680 --> 04:52:24,958 the deliveries without 7877 04:52:24,958 --> 04:52:26,560 >> Does anyone know of an example of a city 7878 04:52:26,560 --> 04:52:29,120 where you've got the structures pushed 7879 04:52:29,120 --> 04:52:31,520 back and the parking's in the front in a 7880 04:52:31,520 --> 04:52:33,040 commercial area or you've got the 7881 04:52:33,040 --> 04:52:36,160 structures way up to the closer to the 7882 04:52:36,160 --> 04:52:38,320 road and the parking in the back? That's 7883 04:52:38,320 --> 04:52:40,958 typically how it's done in the cities I 7884 04:52:40,958 --> 04:52:43,120 travel to. Strip malls are like that. I 7885 04:52:43,120 --> 04:52:43,680 think 7886 04:52:43,680 --> 04:52:44,958 >> strip malls have it in the front which 7887 04:52:44,958 --> 04:52:46,958 aren't pretty. What we have now though 7888 04:52:46,958 --> 04:52:49,120 is we already have precedents along Main 7889 04:52:49,120 --> 04:52:51,120 Street that they have pushed it to the 7890 04:52:51,120 --> 04:52:53,200 front to push parking in the back. 7891 04:52:53,200 --> 04:52:54,000 >> Right. Right. Okay. 7892 04:52:54,000 --> 04:52:56,080 >> And so I feel like that's probably, you 7893 04:52:56,080 --> 04:52:58,798 know, that's how we should go. And I I I 7894 04:52:58,798 --> 04:53:00,320 don't I personally don't love to see 7895 04:53:00,320 --> 04:53:01,520 parking lots in front of 7896 04:53:01,520 --> 04:53:03,200 >> It's more walkable, isn't it? If it's 7897 04:53:03,200 --> 04:53:04,080 pushed to the back. 7898 04:53:04,080 --> 04:53:05,920 >> Part of this is to create a walkable 7899 04:53:05,920 --> 04:53:07,840 main street. So it's more inviting for 7900 04:53:07,840 --> 04:53:09,040 people to walk in. 7901 04:53:09,040 --> 04:53:10,798 >> I agree. Community. So if you have all 7902 04:53:10,798 --> 04:53:11,920 this parking right in front, it just 7903 04:53:11,920 --> 04:53:13,760 kind of detracts from that, I think. 7904 04:53:13,760 --> 04:53:16,400 >> Okay. 7905 04:53:16,400 --> 04:53:18,160 >> So we want to encourage that then and 7906 04:53:18,160 --> 04:53:20,160 help that. Okay. 7907 04:53:20,160 --> 04:53:20,958 >> Go ahead, Kayen. 7908 04:53:20,958 --> 04:53:22,560 >> And if you have parking on Sorry, just 7909 04:53:22,560 --> 04:53:24,000 if you have parking on the front, more 7910 04:53:24,000 --> 04:53:25,360 people are going to park on them on on 7911 04:53:25,360 --> 04:53:27,360 the street, too. I think we'll put that. 7912 04:53:27,360 --> 04:53:28,718 Maybe not. 7913 04:53:28,718 --> 04:53:30,718 >> No, I think you're right. 7914 04:53:30,718 --> 04:53:32,080 >> Yeah. No, that's a great point. Thanks 7915 04:53:32,080 --> 04:53:36,070 for those Thanks for those points. 7916 04:53:36,080 --> 04:53:39,200 So yeah um what remains the same with 7917 04:53:39,200 --> 04:53:41,120 the current guidelines new construction 7918 04:53:41,120 --> 04:53:43,280 should respect his surrounding historic 7919 04:53:43,280 --> 04:53:45,040 building heights and then the same 7920 04:53:45,040 --> 04:53:46,560 primary materials as we already talked 7921 04:53:46,560 --> 04:53:49,600 about and then the new stuff is height 7922 04:53:49,600 --> 04:53:51,520 tied to character areas and then the 7923 04:53:51,520 --> 04:53:53,680 primary and secondary materials are 7924 04:53:53,680 --> 04:53:56,798 introduced and there's now fenistration 7925 04:53:56,798 --> 04:53:58,798 requirements 7926 04:53:58,798 --> 04:54:00,560 >> fenistration 7927 04:54:00,560 --> 04:54:01,360 >> that's a cool 7928 04:54:01,360 --> 04:54:04,718 >> window window style requirements 7929 04:54:04,718 --> 04:54:05,200 Yeah. 7930 04:54:05,200 --> 04:54:07,680 >> Where is that at? I didn't see that. Was 7931 04:54:07,680 --> 04:54:08,080 that 7932 04:54:08,080 --> 04:54:10,638 >> So, I think that's Is there one more? 7933 04:54:10,638 --> 04:54:11,600 Oh, no. This is the end. 7934 04:54:11,600 --> 04:54:12,878 >> Oh, I see. So, there's the parking. 7935 04:54:12,878 --> 04:54:13,200 That's 7936 04:54:13,200 --> 04:54:14,320 >> So, this is a good example of the 7937 04:54:14,320 --> 04:54:19,680 parking that I think is ideal for the type of main street we're going for. 7938 04:54:19,680 --> 04:54:21,120 You can see it's on the side and the 7939 04:54:21,120 --> 04:54:23,200 back there. Uh, buildings push up to the 7940 04:54:23,200 --> 04:54:25,200 front. Very inviting for pedestrians to 7941 04:54:25,200 --> 04:54:28,160 walk and and meet the front of the 7942 04:54:28,160 --> 04:54:31,760 facades of the buildings. 7943 04:54:31,760 --> 04:54:33,440 And then fistration. Let's see if we can 7944 04:54:33,440 --> 04:54:35,440 find any examples. I think there was one 7945 04:54:35,440 --> 04:54:37,680 up here. I saw 7946 04:54:37,680 --> 04:54:38,798 >> Well, he's looking for that. When you 7947 04:54:38,798 --> 04:54:40,000 guys meet with planning commission, we 7948 04:54:40,000 --> 04:54:41,200 ask them about the 7949 04:54:41,200 --> 04:54:41,920 >> Yeah, right here. 7950 04:54:41,920 --> 04:54:43,440 >> Frame window thing. 7951 04:54:43,440 --> 04:54:45,040 >> Yeah, that that that is something that I 7952 04:54:45,040 --> 04:54:46,798 they they've asked for it in several 7953 04:54:46,798 --> 04:54:48,798 places. The the fire department and then 7954 04:54:48,798 --> 04:54:50,400 this. I don't know where it's coming 7955 04:54:50,400 --> 04:54:52,080 from because I can't really find a good 7956 04:54:52,080 --> 04:54:53,120 reference 7957 04:54:53,120 --> 04:54:55,120 >> in Alpine history of black frame 7958 04:54:55,120 --> 04:54:56,480 windows. In fact, I find the opposite. 7959 04:54:56,480 --> 04:54:57,760 If you look at the older houses, they're 7960 04:54:57,760 --> 04:54:59,120 all white framed. 7961 04:54:59,120 --> 04:55:01,360 >> But I don't know if I'm curious about I 7962 04:55:01,360 --> 04:55:02,958 didn't really get that. Me, too. 7963 04:55:02,958 --> 04:55:04,480 >> We'll look into that. I don't think I 7964 04:55:04,480 --> 04:55:05,760 think we're all speculating at this 7965 04:55:05,760 --> 04:55:06,240 point, 7966 04:55:06,240 --> 04:55:06,878 >> right? 7967 04:55:06,878 --> 04:55:07,760 >> Well, kind of. 7968 04:55:07,760 --> 04:55:09,200 >> Well, in the planning commission 7969 04:55:09,200 --> 04:55:10,878 meeting, it was mostly Allen and he was 7970 04:55:10,878 --> 04:55:13,600 describing the the country 7971 04:55:13,600 --> 04:55:17,600 road that had like uniform houses and he 7972 04:55:17,600 --> 04:55:19,120 described it as that was one of the 7973 04:55:19,120 --> 04:55:21,440 elements that he liked in that style. 7974 04:55:21,440 --> 04:55:23,040 >> So, it's somewhere that you could even 7975 04:55:23,040 --> 04:55:24,718 ask Allan or look in the planning 7976 04:55:24,718 --> 04:55:26,080 commission and find out what road. I 7977 04:55:26,080 --> 04:55:27,680 think it was North County Road, but I'm 7978 04:55:27,680 --> 04:55:30,080 not sure where he's talking about. He's 7979 04:55:30,080 --> 04:55:31,760 talking about that Pleasant Grove area 7980 04:55:31,760 --> 04:55:34,878 that's new. So, um, anyway, that's where 7981 04:55:34,878 --> 04:55:37,760 that came from, but again, I wasn't 7982 04:55:37,760 --> 04:55:39,440 familiar with the area, so I wasn't 7983 04:55:39,440 --> 04:55:40,798 really sure what he was talking about, 7984 04:55:40,798 --> 04:55:43,440 but it was specific to that architecture 7985 04:55:43,440 --> 04:55:45,920 that he was describing in that area. 7986 04:55:45,920 --> 04:55:46,320 Cool. 7987 04:55:46,320 --> 04:55:49,200 >> I know like at Cedar Hills their their 7988 04:55:49,200 --> 04:55:51,120 fire station that they just redid, they 7989 04:55:51,120 --> 04:55:52,718 had all white windows and they swapped 7990 04:55:52,718 --> 04:55:54,958 it out to black and they changed all 7991 04:55:54,958 --> 04:55:58,320 their um fascia faucet 7992 04:55:58,320 --> 04:56:01,280 >> and they changed it all to black and um 7993 04:56:01,280 --> 04:56:03,520 and but their buildings are red brick 7994 04:56:03,520 --> 04:56:06,160 and it does look really good. 7995 04:56:06,160 --> 04:56:08,798 >> It has like that deep rich tone. 7996 04:56:08,798 --> 04:56:10,798 >> Yeah. In fairness, he tied that into 7997 04:56:10,798 --> 04:56:12,878 that specific description of what he was 7998 04:56:12,878 --> 04:56:15,680 just that area. So, um I guess where you 7999 04:56:15,680 --> 04:56:17,840 said it's in Pleasant Grove, right? 8000 04:56:17,840 --> 04:56:19,520 >> No, this is in Cedar Hills. 8001 04:56:19,520 --> 04:56:20,798 >> Cedar Hills. Okay. That's what he was 8002 04:56:20,798 --> 04:56:21,280 talking about. 8003 04:56:21,280 --> 04:56:22,560 >> I was meeting with their mayor and then 8004 04:56:22,560 --> 04:56:24,240 when I left I'm like, "Did you guys swap 8005 04:56:24,240 --> 04:56:25,840 out your windows? Didn't they used to be 8006 04:56:25,840 --> 04:56:27,120 white?" They're like, "Yes, but the 8007 04:56:27,120 --> 04:56:28,480 black looks so much better." 8008 04:56:28,480 --> 04:56:30,400 >> Okay. Yeah, that must like I I thought 8009 04:56:30,400 --> 04:56:32,560 he said Cedar Hills, but and that North 8010 04:56:32,560 --> 04:56:34,000 County Road. But 8011 04:56:34,000 --> 04:56:36,480 >> sorry, I must have been at two speed 8012 04:56:36,480 --> 04:56:38,480 double speed. [laughter] 8013 04:56:38,480 --> 04:56:39,760 Well, the good news is we have 8014 04:56:39,760 --> 04:56:41,760 photographs of almost every old house 8015 04:56:41,760 --> 04:56:44,240 back to the 1800s in Alpine. So, that's 8016 04:56:44,240 --> 04:56:45,120 good news. 8017 04:56:45,120 --> 04:56:46,638 >> But remember, we don't have commercial 8018 04:56:46,638 --> 04:56:47,360 buildings. 8019 04:56:47,360 --> 04:56:48,080 >> No, some 8020 04:56:48,080 --> 04:56:49,840 >> we don't have to like model our 8021 04:56:49,840 --> 04:56:51,040 commercial buildings after our 8022 04:56:51,040 --> 04:56:51,760 residential homes. 8023 04:56:51,760 --> 04:56:53,040 >> Some some of them are commercial, but 8024 04:56:53,040 --> 04:56:53,920 yeah, that's right. 8025 04:56:53,920 --> 04:56:54,560 >> Okay. 8026 04:56:54,560 --> 04:56:56,160 >> So, yeah, just right here, um, 8027 04:56:56,160 --> 04:56:58,400 fenistration example. I just wanted to 8028 04:56:58,400 --> 04:57:00,240 show this to you. Um, and I think it's 8029 04:57:00,240 --> 04:57:03,040 important this plan also talks about the 8030 04:57:03,040 --> 04:57:04,560 amount of transparency that these 8031 04:57:04,560 --> 04:57:06,480 windows need. just again creating that 8032 04:57:06,480 --> 04:57:09,440 inviting pedestrian realm as they uh 8033 04:57:09,440 --> 04:57:11,040 with storefronts and different elements 8034 04:57:11,040 --> 04:57:14,240 like that. But I think that's it for me. 8035 04:57:14,240 --> 04:57:15,840 >> I'm sorry. I I literally can't see where 8036 04:57:15,840 --> 04:57:16,798 you where you're reading. 8037 04:57:16,798 --> 04:57:17,840 >> Oh, just right here. 8038 04:57:17,840 --> 04:57:18,638 >> Oh, there. Okay. 8039 04:57:18,638 --> 04:57:19,920 >> Yeah, just right here. Yeah. 8040 04:57:19,920 --> 04:57:22,080 >> And currently it does say black or it 8041 04:57:22,080 --> 04:57:23,120 doesn't. 8042 04:57:23,120 --> 04:57:24,878 >> I don't think there's a 8043 04:57:24,878 --> 04:57:26,400 >> That was an addition. Okay. I got 8044 04:57:26,400 --> 04:57:29,040 >> Yeah, let's see. I don't think there's 8045 04:57:29,040 --> 04:57:30,160 anything about 8046 04:57:30,160 --> 04:57:31,520 >> Okay. Okay, that's fine. I think 8047 04:57:31,520 --> 04:57:33,360 historically they were white framed, but 8048 04:57:33,360 --> 04:57:37,680 I think a more modern is black framed in 8049 04:57:37,680 --> 04:57:39,360 my I don't know if anyone else has any 8050 04:57:39,360 --> 04:57:41,600 thoughts on that, but 8051 04:57:41,600 --> 04:57:43,280 >> well, I like white, but that's me and I 8052 04:57:43,280 --> 04:57:45,440 think it's the more historical uh 8053 04:57:45,440 --> 04:57:47,040 version. And I'll try to look up some 8054 04:57:47,040 --> 04:57:49,680 photos to see if it inspires anyone. 8055 04:57:49,680 --> 04:57:52,080 >> I like the original white when it's like 8056 04:57:52,080 --> 04:57:55,120 real wood, but I do not like the vinyl 8057 04:57:55,120 --> 04:57:57,200 white windows. I don't 8058 04:57:57,200 --> 04:58:00,000 >> I'd rather have like not allowed. So 8059 04:58:00,000 --> 04:58:01,040 that kind of helps. 8060 04:58:01,040 --> 04:58:02,958 >> Windows. 8061 04:58:02,958 --> 04:58:04,160 >> Window. Vinyl. Well, 8062 04:58:04,160 --> 04:58:06,560 >> well, it says vinyl. No vinyl. 8063 04:58:06,560 --> 04:58:08,320 >> But you know what I'm like what we I 8064 04:58:08,320 --> 04:58:10,480 like um what I kind of like what they 8065 04:58:10,480 --> 04:58:12,480 said that was metal and whatnot, but 8066 04:58:12,480 --> 04:58:15,200 let's move on. Um Jessica, do you have 8067 04:58:15,200 --> 04:58:19,030 anything? 8068 04:58:19,040 --> 04:58:20,320 » Nope. 8069 04:58:20,320 --> 04:58:20,718 >> Okay. 8070 04:58:20,718 --> 04:58:22,240 >> I don't believe that. 8071 04:58:22,240 --> 04:58:25,360 >> Let's move on to council communication. 8072 04:58:25,360 --> 04:58:27,200 Or actually, let's do staff reports 8073 04:58:27,200 --> 04:58:28,878 first. 8074 04:58:28,878 --> 04:58:31,360 Jason, do you have anything for us? 8075 04:58:31,360 --> 04:58:32,480 >> Kayen. 8076 04:58:32,480 --> 04:58:34,560 >> Um, [clears throat] I'll just say that, 8077 04:58:34,560 --> 04:58:36,560 um, I know Andrew's talked to me about 8078 04:58:36,560 --> 04:58:38,480 fence and looking at that and things 8079 04:58:38,480 --> 04:58:40,000 like that and height requirements, 8080 04:58:40,000 --> 04:58:41,440 viewshed things we've I've talked about 8081 04:58:41,440 --> 04:58:43,520 with you guys. Um, I'm actively 8082 04:58:43,520 --> 04:58:46,400 researching that. Um, I've looked at 8083 04:58:46,400 --> 04:58:47,920 different cities, tried to see what 8084 04:58:47,920 --> 04:58:49,760 they're doing with those different um, 8085 04:58:49,760 --> 04:58:51,360 things you guys want to want to look 8086 04:58:51,360 --> 04:58:53,920 into. And, um, so just want to let you 8087 04:58:53,920 --> 04:58:55,200 guys know that that's being actively 8088 04:58:55,200 --> 04:58:55,840 pursued. 8089 04:58:55,840 --> 04:58:57,440 >> That means so much, 8090 04:58:57,440 --> 04:58:57,920 >> Heidi. 8091 04:58:57,920 --> 04:59:00,080 >> Thank you. Okay, very very quickly. Uh, 8092 04:59:00,080 --> 04:59:02,400 trucks and tunes starts next week, runs 8093 04:59:02,400 --> 04:59:04,798 through June and July. So, normally 8094 04:59:04,798 --> 04:59:06,320 that's a meal, but when you guys are 8095 04:59:06,320 --> 04:59:09,520 figuring out your your work workshop or 8096 04:59:09,520 --> 04:59:13,440 whatever, figure out that meal. Um, 8097 04:59:13,440 --> 04:59:15,920 trucks and tunes. What? So, and then the 8098 04:59:15,920 --> 04:59:18,400 t-shirt design. I got your votes. I got 8099 04:59:18,400 --> 04:59:21,520 22. Out of the 22 people, 17 voted for 8100 04:59:21,520 --> 04:59:23,040 one of them. So, I'm just going to go 8101 04:59:23,040 --> 04:59:24,240 call it that round. 8102 04:59:24,240 --> 04:59:27,920 >> Which one? Um, it has the flag and the 8103 04:59:27,920 --> 04:59:30,400 poppies and it says celebrate too. Yeah, 8104 04:59:30,400 --> 04:59:32,080 I'm like pretty much everybody picked 8105 04:59:32,080 --> 04:59:32,718 that one. So, 8106 04:59:32,718 --> 04:59:34,160 >> I'm the five who. 8107 04:59:34,160 --> 04:59:36,638 >> So, I'm happy with whatever the majority 8108 04:59:36,638 --> 04:59:38,000 >> and then the grand marshall. Thank you 8109 04:59:38,000 --> 04:59:41,680 for your votes. Um, one was a clear 8110 04:59:41,680 --> 04:59:44,560 um headliner or whatever like and I'm 8111 04:59:44,560 --> 04:59:46,400 going to go ahead and approach them 8112 04:59:46,400 --> 04:59:47,200 first. 8113 04:59:47,200 --> 04:59:48,958 >> Is that over? There's no more time for 8114 04:59:48,958 --> 04:59:50,160 that. The voting on that. 8115 04:59:50,160 --> 04:59:52,240 >> I mean, you can still vote. I mean, 8116 04:59:52,240 --> 04:59:54,160 >> yeah, but it has been a week and a half 8117 04:59:54,160 --> 04:59:56,638 since I sent it out there. So, please do 8118 04:59:56,638 --> 05:00:00,000 it ASAP. I can I can vote you because 8119 05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:03,040 >> um they could decline or can't or are 8120 05:00:03,040 --> 05:00:04,638 not available. So, I'll go to the next 8121 05:00:04,638 --> 05:00:06,400 one at that point. Then I'll I'll go 8122 05:00:06,400 --> 05:00:07,840 down the list. That's why I had you vote 8123 05:00:07,840 --> 05:00:10,320 for ranks. Um just let you know there 8124 05:00:10,320 --> 05:00:13,680 was a clear um head runner. I don't 8125 05:00:13,680 --> 05:00:14,878 know. It's late. I can't think of the 8126 05:00:14,878 --> 05:00:16,400 words. Anyway, [clears throat] one or 8127 05:00:16,400 --> 05:00:16,958 two. 8128 05:00:16,958 --> 05:00:19,040 >> Front runner. Thank you. Heidi, do you 8129 05:00:19,040 --> 05:00:21,760 choose one or two or three? Sometimes 8130 05:00:21,760 --> 05:00:22,480 some in some years 8131 05:00:22,480 --> 05:00:25,520 >> we normally do one unless there's a 8132 05:00:25,520 --> 05:00:27,760 compelling reason to do others. Like one 8133 05:00:27,760 --> 05:00:30,240 year we had like 25 because there was a 8134 05:00:30,240 --> 05:00:33,120 whole generation that we felt would pass 8135 05:00:33,120 --> 05:00:34,958 before they would have the chance. 8136 05:00:34,958 --> 05:00:35,440 >> Oh wow. 8137 05:00:35,440 --> 05:00:37,200 >> And that was a number of years ago, but 8138 05:00:37,200 --> 05:00:39,360 they did one 8139 05:00:39,360 --> 05:00:42,400 >> really big scoop. So I mean it's not 8140 05:00:42,400 --> 05:00:43,920 unheard of, but right now we've just 8141 05:00:43,920 --> 05:00:45,040 been doing the one. 8142 05:00:45,040 --> 05:00:46,798 >> Thanks. 8143 05:00:46,798 --> 05:00:49,760 And we don't want to run out of people. 8144 05:00:49,760 --> 05:00:53,120 >> Okay. Um, Shane, 8145 05:00:53,120 --> 05:00:59,110 >> you don't have anything. 8146 05:00:59,120 --> 05:01:01,840 » Uh, I was up here Sunday with my family 8147 05:01:01,840 --> 05:01:04,160 at the cemetery, and I thought it looked 8148 05:01:04,160 --> 05:01:07,760 awesome. And I think we traded maybe one 8149 05:01:07,760 --> 05:01:09,760 or two complaints for watering the 8150 05:01:09,760 --> 05:01:11,920 cemetery for many people that were very 8151 05:01:11,920 --> 05:01:14,400 happy that it looked good and honored 8152 05:01:14,400 --> 05:01:19,440 their loved ones. So, um, 8153 05:01:19,440 --> 05:01:22,160 let's see. Um, fire station 8154 05:01:22,160 --> 05:01:24,718 groundbreaking was mentioned before. It, 8155 05:01:24,718 --> 05:01:26,320 you know, we had probably, I don't know, 8156 05:01:26,320 --> 05:01:29,280 I estimated 40 to 50 people there and I 8157 05:01:29,280 --> 05:01:33,200 thought it turned out great. Um, there's 8158 05:01:33,200 --> 05:01:36,320 been a lot of talk, um, seen on the news 8159 05:01:36,320 --> 05:01:38,718 in different places, 8160 05:01:38,718 --> 05:01:41,600 uh, about splash pads. 8161 05:01:41,600 --> 05:01:44,480 Um, is there any concern from this 8162 05:01:44,480 --> 05:01:47,040 council? Do we want to they just barely 8163 05:01:47,040 --> 05:01:49,680 open? Do we want to limit hours? Some 8164 05:01:49,680 --> 05:01:51,840 have shut some down totally. Some have 8165 05:01:51,840 --> 05:01:53,840 limited hours. 8166 05:01:53,840 --> 05:01:56,878 Um different approaches just because of 8167 05:01:56,878 --> 05:01:59,920 all the water issues. Um I hadn't heard 8168 05:01:59,920 --> 05:02:01,600 anything here, so I thought I'd bring it 8169 05:02:01,600 --> 05:02:04,000 up and see if there's any kind of 8170 05:02:04,000 --> 05:02:05,920 thoughts that you wanted us to 8171 05:02:05,920 --> 05:02:09,120 >> I have one thought, but go ahead. 8172 05:02:09,120 --> 05:02:11,840 >> I believe our splash pad has the 8173 05:02:11,840 --> 05:02:14,320 capability of certain hours. It's It's 8174 05:02:14,320 --> 05:02:16,160 kind of like a glorified sprinkler 8175 05:02:16,160 --> 05:02:19,600 timer. Um, so I I think we could set 8176 05:02:19,600 --> 05:02:21,520 ours if that's something we wanted to 8177 05:02:21,520 --> 05:02:22,000 look at. 8178 05:02:22,000 --> 05:02:24,000 >> What time is it running now? 8179 05:02:24,000 --> 05:02:26,000 >> It's whenever. 8180 05:02:26,000 --> 05:02:28,400 >> I'm not 100% sure. I should have asked 8181 05:02:28,400 --> 05:02:31,280 to make sure if there's a early and late 8182 05:02:31,280 --> 05:02:32,718 cut off currently. 8183 05:02:32,718 --> 05:02:34,160 >> Should we turn off that water fountain, 8184 05:02:34,160 --> 05:02:37,750 too? 8185 05:02:37,760 --> 05:02:40,240 » I think Carolyn I think just told me 8186 05:02:40,240 --> 05:02:42,480 this. I think it's 8 till 10:00 cuz it's 8187 05:02:42,480 --> 05:02:45,040 the or 8 to 8. It's It's one of those 8188 05:02:45,040 --> 05:02:47,040 cuz it's the hours to 10:00 p.m. 8189 05:02:47,040 --> 05:02:49,920 >> Yeah, maybe we can in favor of limiting 8190 05:02:49,920 --> 05:02:54,000 >> 10 to Yeah, maybe we limit for now. Um 8191 05:02:54,000 --> 05:02:56,160 but yeah, I think 8 starting at 8 a.m. 8192 05:02:56,160 --> 05:02:57,680 is a little bit early for a splash pad 8193 05:02:57,680 --> 05:02:58,080 anyway. 8194 05:02:58,080 --> 05:02:59,840 >> Noon to 7 or something. 8195 05:02:59,840 --> 05:03:02,000 >> Maybe even 11 just because I know people 8196 05:03:02,000 --> 05:03:04,400 that have young kids for nap times and 8197 05:03:04,400 --> 05:03:05,680 stuff sometimes you have to juggle 8198 05:03:05,680 --> 05:03:08,958 around. But like yeah, maybe 11 to 7 or 8199 05:03:08,958 --> 05:03:11,840 something for now and then um as water 8200 05:03:11,840 --> 05:03:14,080 gets more scarce, we might need to shut 8201 05:03:14,080 --> 05:03:15,520 it off because I know we have 8202 05:03:15,520 --> 05:03:16,878 >> Saturday only or something. 8203 05:03:16,878 --> 05:03:17,280 >> Yeah. 8204 05:03:17,280 --> 05:03:19,520 >> Well, and doesn't our splash pad, it 8205 05:03:19,520 --> 05:03:21,600 doesn't run continually, right? So, I 8206 05:03:21,600 --> 05:03:22,718 think that's one of the nice things 8207 05:03:22,718 --> 05:03:24,400 about it. It's only running when the 8208 05:03:24,400 --> 05:03:24,958 kids 8209 05:03:24,958 --> 05:03:25,680 >> push the button 8210 05:03:25,680 --> 05:03:26,480 >> are there. 8211 05:03:26,480 --> 05:03:28,240 >> Oh, yeah. I was just there. That's true. 8212 05:03:28,240 --> 05:03:29,360 It doesn't just run. 8213 05:03:29,360 --> 05:03:31,040 >> So, it's not like you're just running 8214 05:03:31,040 --> 05:03:34,080 water down the drain. If no one's there, 8215 05:03:34,080 --> 05:03:36,560 no one's like on Sunday if nobody uses 8216 05:03:36,560 --> 05:03:38,160 it, it doesn't 8217 05:03:38,160 --> 05:03:40,240 >> go even for one minute. 8218 05:03:40,240 --> 05:03:41,360 >> Right. 8219 05:03:41,360 --> 05:03:43,600 >> But I have seen kids push the button and 8220 05:03:43,600 --> 05:03:45,920 there's nobody in the splash pad 8221 05:03:45,920 --> 05:03:47,360 >> just to push the button. Do you want 8222 05:03:47,360 --> 05:03:49,520 that to be advertised on social media? 8223 05:03:49,520 --> 05:03:49,840 >> Yes. 8224 05:03:49,840 --> 05:03:52,000 >> As far as the hours. Yeah. Is everyone 8225 05:03:52,000 --> 05:03:54,958 okay with 11 to 7? 8226 05:03:54,958 --> 05:03:57,120 >> Well, hold on. I just had I'm with you 8227 05:03:57,120 --> 05:04:00,000 on everything. Didn't we vote for no 8228 05:04:00,000 --> 05:04:02,160 water restrictions until we have to do 8229 05:04:02,160 --> 05:04:05,120 them? Wasn't that the vote? I know that 8230 05:04:05,120 --> 05:04:07,200 was for PI. Does it use PI? It doesn't 8231 05:04:07,200 --> 05:04:09,440 use it use culinary. 8232 05:04:09,440 --> 05:04:11,440 >> That has nothing to do with that. Um, 8233 05:04:11,440 --> 05:04:15,120 no. I'm with the if we have the water to 8234 05:04:15,120 --> 05:04:17,520 use them, but um it doesn't cycle, 8235 05:04:17,520 --> 05:04:18,560 right? It's 8236 05:04:18,560 --> 05:04:20,320 >> it's not recirculating. 8237 05:04:20,320 --> 05:04:21,840 >> No. Like Highlands, it's constantly 8238 05:04:21,840 --> 05:04:24,160 going, but it's rec their water is 8239 05:04:24,160 --> 05:04:25,040 recirculating. 8240 05:04:25,040 --> 05:04:26,958 >> I like that idea. I don't know if 11 I 8241 05:04:26,958 --> 05:04:29,280 know moms like to go there earlier 9 10 8242 05:04:29,280 --> 05:04:31,040 a.m. sometimes 8243 05:04:31,040 --> 05:04:36,160 >> but uh um I would say start with an my opinion take it or leave it start 8244 05:04:36,160 --> 05:04:38,320 with an hourly if we get into bad into 8245 05:04:38,320 --> 05:04:42,240 August uh July go to weekends only type 8246 05:04:42,240 --> 05:04:45,120 of a thing that would be my suggestion 8247 05:04:45,120 --> 05:04:45,440 but 8248 05:04:45,440 --> 05:04:47,280 >> I think we'll address that when we get 8249 05:04:47,280 --> 05:04:47,840 there 8250 05:04:47,840 --> 05:04:49,520 >> right 8251 05:04:49,520 --> 05:04:51,120 >> but aren't we addressing it now 8252 05:04:51,120 --> 05:04:54,400 >> I don't know maybe maybe 10 but my I 8253 05:04:54,400 --> 05:04:57,280 don't I don't see It's when it gets hot. 8254 05:04:57,280 --> 05:04:59,760 People take them as late as seven. Like 8255 05:04:59,760 --> 05:05:01,040 most of those little kids that play in 8256 05:05:01,040 --> 05:05:03,440 the splash pad, I feel like are eating 8257 05:05:03,440 --> 05:05:05,680 dinner and hopefully in bed. 8258 05:05:05,680 --> 05:05:07,520 >> Yeah. 10 to six is good. 8259 05:05:07,520 --> 05:05:08,160 >> Five. 8260 05:05:08,160 --> 05:05:09,360 >> Yeah. Yeah. 8261 05:05:09,360 --> 05:05:11,040 >> 10 to six. 10 to 8262 05:05:11,040 --> 05:05:12,718 >> if if they're not if they're not there, 8263 05:05:12,718 --> 05:05:14,010 they won't be pushing the button. 8264 05:05:14,010 --> 05:05:14,160 [clears throat] 8265 05:05:14,160 --> 05:05:15,680 >> That's true. Either way. So maybe we 8266 05:05:15,680 --> 05:05:17,680 don't need a restriction because there's 8267 05:05:17,680 --> 05:05:21,600 >> no I do think it's good to because 8268 05:05:21,600 --> 05:05:22,160 >> I think 8269 05:05:22,160 --> 05:05:23,760 >> we need to follow our we need to follow 8270 05:05:23,760 --> 05:05:25,760 what we're advising our residents and do 8271 05:05:25,760 --> 05:05:28,718 some water restriction period 8272 05:05:28,718 --> 05:05:31,520 >> conservation in an effort to conserve we 8273 05:05:31,520 --> 05:05:32,400 could limit the hours 8274 05:05:32,400 --> 05:05:34,240 >> planning to do it social media and put 8275 05:05:34,240 --> 05:05:36,080 up a sign at the 8276 05:05:36,080 --> 05:05:39,360 >> and on the website. Okay those plastic 8277 05:05:39,360 --> 05:05:39,760 ones. 8278 05:05:39,760 --> 05:05:40,480 >> So what's the reason? 8279 05:05:40,480 --> 05:05:44,320 >> So you said 10 to 7 is that right? 10 to 8280 05:05:44,320 --> 05:05:44,718 7 8281 05:05:44,718 --> 05:05:46,240 >> sounds good for 8282 05:05:46,240 --> 05:05:47,920 >> Yeah, that sounds good. And how do you 8283 05:05:47,920 --> 05:05:49,840 position it as as again water 8284 05:05:49,840 --> 05:05:50,560 conservation? 8285 05:05:50,560 --> 05:05:52,240 >> Yes. An effort to conserve water. 8286 05:05:52,240 --> 05:05:54,480 >> Shane, is there any indication that we 8287 05:05:54,480 --> 05:05:56,400 are lacking right now? Like are there 8288 05:05:56,400 --> 05:05:58,080 things showing us that we are lacking? 8289 05:05:58,080 --> 05:05:59,600 We've had a pretty wet spring so far. 8290 05:05:59,600 --> 05:06:00,480 Are we okay? 8291 05:06:00,480 --> 05:06:02,400 >> Yeah, but we've had to start Healey well 8292 05:06:02,400 --> 05:06:04,400 already and it's the 8293 05:06:04,400 --> 05:06:05,840 >> Are we already starting to do things 8294 05:06:05,840 --> 05:06:07,760 that are showing concern? 8295 05:06:07,760 --> 05:06:08,160 >> Yeah. 8296 05:06:08,160 --> 05:06:09,840 we've we've started a well. I 8297 05:06:09,840 --> 05:06:12,718 mean, a lot of times we'll we'll go into 8298 05:06:12,718 --> 05:06:14,400 to July before we have to start 8299 05:06:14,400 --> 05:06:16,160 >> before starting a well, 8300 05:06:16,160 --> 05:06:18,400 >> and we haven't even hit June and we 8301 05:06:18,400 --> 05:06:20,320 >> started. Okay. I I think everyone's with 8302 05:06:20,320 --> 05:06:21,360 you. 8303 05:06:21,360 --> 05:06:24,000 >> And we anticipate that we'll have to run 8304 05:06:24,000 --> 05:06:26,718 a culinary well at some point this 8305 05:06:26,718 --> 05:06:29,040 summer, unless 8306 05:06:29,040 --> 05:06:31,280 >> the rain gods are totally in our favor. 8307 05:06:31,280 --> 05:06:33,680 >> So far so good. 8308 05:06:33,680 --> 05:06:34,638 >> For culinary. 8309 05:06:34,638 --> 05:06:35,680 >> Yeah. 8310 05:06:35,680 --> 05:06:36,400 >> Oh, 8311 05:06:36,400 --> 05:06:38,400 >> which I like. We haven't had to do that 8312 05:06:38,400 --> 05:06:41,440 for a long time. had to for just a few 8313 05:06:41,440 --> 05:06:44,798 days. It was it was the year that we I 8314 05:06:44,798 --> 05:06:46,560 think it was the year we shut the splash 8315 05:06:46,560 --> 05:06:47,600 pad off 8316 05:06:47,600 --> 05:06:48,958 >> two days early. 8317 05:06:48,958 --> 05:06:50,000 >> So 8318 05:06:50,000 --> 05:06:51,680 >> that 8319 05:06:51,680 --> 05:06:53,120 so people season 8320 05:06:53,120 --> 05:06:56,160 >> even on culinary should follow the same. 8321 05:06:56,160 --> 05:06:56,798 >> Oh for sure. 8322 05:06:56,798 --> 05:06:58,958 >> Yeah. We try to make that very clear. 8323 05:06:58,958 --> 05:07:00,718 It's in the ordinance. 8324 05:07:00,718 --> 05:07:02,400 everything that we put in the newsines 8325 05:07:02,400 --> 05:07:04,400 >> and especially them because if they 8326 05:07:04,400 --> 05:07:07,040 misuse it, it is it affects everybody 8327 05:07:07,040 --> 05:07:09,680 and obviously we're going to prioritize 8328 05:07:09,680 --> 05:07:12,958 indoor drinking water. 8329 05:07:12,958 --> 05:07:14,240 >> At least in my mind, that's the 8330 05:07:14,240 --> 05:07:15,360 priority. 8331 05:07:15,360 --> 05:07:16,878 >> Y 8332 05:07:16,878 --> 05:07:19,200 Okay. Um and then just to make you 8333 05:07:19,200 --> 05:07:22,080 aware, uh the Fitzgerald property has 8334 05:07:22,080 --> 05:07:24,878 changed hands. It's officially closed 8335 05:07:24,878 --> 05:07:28,160 and the the group that bought it have 8336 05:07:28,160 --> 05:07:31,360 been in talking with us the last two 8337 05:07:31,360 --> 05:07:33,680 well Monday and Tuesday this week. 8338 05:07:33,680 --> 05:07:37,360 Monday last week, Tuesday this week. Um 8339 05:07:37,360 --> 05:07:39,840 they're 8340 05:07:39,840 --> 05:07:42,718 a little bit out from 8341 05:07:42,718 --> 05:07:44,718 meeting the three requirements to get 8342 05:07:44,718 --> 05:07:47,120 the annexation plan recorded, which kind 8343 05:07:47,120 --> 05:07:48,638 of leaves it in a little bit of a funny 8344 05:07:48,638 --> 05:07:51,280 state. is currently in the county, but 8345 05:07:51,280 --> 05:07:54,560 they are trying to get work done like 8346 05:07:54,560 --> 05:07:57,120 leading up to development. 8347 05:07:57,120 --> 05:07:59,280 So, 8348 05:07:59,280 --> 05:08:01,200 it's really not under our jurisdiction 8349 05:08:01,200 --> 05:08:04,080 right now, but they have a track up 8350 05:08:04,080 --> 05:08:08,400 there uh to do the geologic work. They 8351 05:08:08,400 --> 05:08:11,280 have to dig a big trench. That's you 8352 05:08:11,280 --> 05:08:14,638 remember how many feet? 8353 05:08:14,638 --> 05:08:16,878 >> Basically from the steep part of the 8354 05:08:16,878 --> 05:08:19,680 mountain to almost down to the ditch to 8355 05:08:19,680 --> 05:08:22,560 look for faults and whatever. 8356 05:08:22,560 --> 05:08:24,400 So 8357 05:08:24,400 --> 05:08:26,638 what they're looking at doing is kind of 8358 05:08:26,638 --> 05:08:29,680 grubbing out the area where the road was 8359 05:08:29,680 --> 05:08:32,400 proposed on the concept plan that uh 8360 05:08:32,400 --> 05:08:35,280 came through with the annexation. 8361 05:08:35,280 --> 05:08:37,040 um so that they're not like tearing out 8362 05:08:37,040 --> 05:08:39,200 brush that they don't absolutely have 8363 05:08:39,200 --> 05:08:41,200 to. It'll it will come out at some point 8364 05:08:41,200 --> 05:08:45,040 anyway. And then um kind of digging this 8365 05:08:45,040 --> 05:08:47,600 trench, doing the exploration. We've 8366 05:08:47,600 --> 05:08:50,240 talked to them about even though there's 8367 05:08:50,240 --> 05:08:52,560 not easements there right now for the 8368 05:08:52,560 --> 05:08:55,840 trails that it will go a long way in the 8369 05:08:55,840 --> 05:08:59,040 way of public opinion to minimize 8370 05:08:59,040 --> 05:09:00,638 disruption to the trails that go through 8371 05:09:00,638 --> 05:09:03,760 there. And so their plan was to kind of 8372 05:09:03,760 --> 05:09:06,320 dig a section, do their exploration, you 8373 05:09:06,320 --> 05:09:08,638 know, their logging and whatever, and 8374 05:09:08,638 --> 05:09:11,440 then kind of fill that back in and do 8375 05:09:11,440 --> 05:09:15,600 another section. So, uh, they seem real 8376 05:09:15,600 --> 05:09:17,920 meaningable to do something like that. 8377 05:09:17,920 --> 05:09:20,000 Um, and then the other thing we warn 8378 05:09:20,000 --> 05:09:22,160 them about is, you know, we're getting 8379 05:09:22,160 --> 05:09:26,160 into summer and dry vegetation and 8380 05:09:26,160 --> 05:09:28,160 >> we encourage them to talk to the fire 8381 05:09:28,160 --> 05:09:31,520 chief um to take precautions that way. 8382 05:09:31,520 --> 05:09:32,958 >> Do they have a water truck up there? 8383 05:09:32,958 --> 05:09:34,400 Because aren't they required to have a 8384 05:09:34,400 --> 05:09:35,440 water truck? 8385 05:09:35,440 --> 05:09:38,240 >> Well, again, it's in the county 8386 05:09:38,240 --> 05:09:40,160 >> and because it's not annexed yet, 8387 05:09:40,160 --> 05:09:42,160 >> right? And so that's where it's in this 8388 05:09:42,160 --> 05:09:45,520 awkward stage where it's, you know, 8389 05:09:45,520 --> 05:09:49,200 they're saying, "What do we have to do this work and it's like, well, 8390 05:09:49,200 --> 05:09:51,360 it's not in Alpine City." 8391 05:09:51,360 --> 05:09:53,520 >> Could you, sorry to prolong, but could 8392 05:09:53,520 --> 05:09:56,798 you just just briefly explain? So they 8393 05:09:56,798 --> 05:09:59,120 when the Fitzgerald property came up for 8394 05:09:59,120 --> 05:10:00,958 annexation, it was approved. It was 8395 05:10:00,958 --> 05:10:03,440 approved based off of like, you know, 8396 05:10:03,440 --> 05:10:06,000 what they brought forth and and so they 8397 05:10:06,000 --> 05:10:07,840 still have to follow that same Yeah. 8398 05:10:07,840 --> 05:10:08,320 Okay. 8399 05:10:08,320 --> 05:10:10,400 >> Yeah. And they they know that. Okay. I 8400 05:10:10,400 --> 05:10:11,120 was just curious. 8401 05:10:11,120 --> 05:10:12,958 >> They know that it's just they have to 8402 05:10:12,958 --> 05:10:15,120 pay some money and get some water before 8403 05:10:15,120 --> 05:10:17,840 they the annexation be can be recorded 8404 05:10:17,840 --> 05:10:20,000 and it's officially in the boundaries of 8405 05:10:20,000 --> 05:10:24,718 Alpine City. And so they want to develop 8406 05:10:24,718 --> 05:10:26,480 it. They want to move this forward. 8407 05:10:26,480 --> 05:10:29,600 They're working towards that. Um 8408 05:10:29,600 --> 05:10:32,638 but they want to get going on the other 8409 05:10:32,638 --> 05:10:36,638 requirements as well. So, uh, we're just 8410 05:10:36,638 --> 05:10:38,320 trying to work with him even though it's 8411 05:10:38,320 --> 05:10:40,480 kind of not in our jurisdiction right 8412 05:10:40,480 --> 05:10:43,840 now and we definitely don't want a fire, 8413 05:10:43,840 --> 05:10:46,080 anything like that. So, 8414 05:10:46,080 --> 05:10:46,560 >> when does 8415 05:10:46,560 --> 05:10:47,920 >> I just wanted to make you guys aware 8416 05:10:47,920 --> 05:10:49,840 there is a track sitting up there right 8417 05:10:49,840 --> 05:10:51,360 now. 8418 05:10:51,360 --> 05:10:52,240 Um, 8419 05:10:52,240 --> 05:10:53,920 >> oh, Facebook already knows. 8420 05:10:53,920 --> 05:10:55,520 >> Yeah. 8421 05:10:55,520 --> 05:10:57,920 He said that they've had several 8422 05:10:57,920 --> 05:10:59,440 people stop and talk to him and 8423 05:10:59,440 --> 05:11:01,840 whatever. So 8424 05:11:01,840 --> 05:11:02,560 >> when does it become 8425 05:11:02,560 --> 05:11:05,360 >> is there a requirement for water in the 8426 05:11:05,360 --> 05:11:09,840 we may like to have water spray down? 8427 05:11:09,840 --> 05:11:11,600 >> I don't think the county does like when 8428 05:11:11,600 --> 05:11:13,840 we've had real hot dry summers. We 8429 05:11:13,840 --> 05:11:17,200 worked with our fire chief and and just 8430 05:11:17,200 --> 05:11:19,120 made it a requirement if you're doing 8431 05:11:19,120 --> 05:11:21,200 excavation in areas like that that you 8432 05:11:21,200 --> 05:11:22,560 have to have water there. 8433 05:11:22,560 --> 05:11:25,200 >> The county has no requirement. Huh. 8434 05:11:25,200 --> 05:11:26,638 >> It is a lot easier. 8435 05:11:26,638 --> 05:11:28,958 >> Not that not that I'm aware of. 8436 05:11:28,958 --> 05:11:30,320 >> Anything else? 8437 05:11:30,320 --> 05:11:31,040 No. 8438 05:11:31,040 --> 05:11:33,920 >> Okay. I do have a handful of stuff. We 8439 05:11:33,920 --> 05:11:36,240 had the Memorial Day ceremony yesterday. 8440 05:11:36,240 --> 05:11:38,878 Um appreciate Brent, Chrissy, and Sarah 8441 05:11:38,878 --> 05:11:41,120 coming and um I thought it went really 8442 05:11:41,120 --> 05:11:42,878 great. I thought it was one of the best 8443 05:11:42,878 --> 05:11:44,718 and one of the best turnouts that we 8444 05:11:44,718 --> 05:11:49,040 had. Um I you know I feel like Haydens 8445 05:11:49,040 --> 05:11:51,200 did an amazing job organizing and of 8446 05:11:51,200 --> 05:11:54,718 course with the help of AYC and um Sarah 8447 05:11:54,718 --> 05:11:57,600 and then again with the ground breaking 8448 05:11:57,600 --> 05:12:00,000 want to um just acknowledge and 8449 05:12:00,000 --> 05:12:01,680 appreciate Brent, Chrissy and Sarah for 8450 05:12:01,680 --> 05:12:03,680 coming for the fire station 8451 05:12:03,680 --> 05:12:05,920 groundbreaking and um I know our donors 8452 05:12:05,920 --> 05:12:09,920 really appreciated it. Um, and then that 8453 05:12:09,920 --> 05:12:12,240 American Fort Canyon, the road is open 8454 05:12:12,240 --> 05:12:13,680 all the way through, so you can do the 8455 05:12:13,680 --> 05:12:17,280 alpine loop now completely. Um, and then 8456 05:12:17,280 --> 05:12:19,280 we met with the Aspen Peak School 8457 05:12:19,280 --> 05:12:21,040 District new superintendent, Joel 8458 05:12:21,040 --> 05:12:24,320 Perkins. Um, you know, one of the 8459 05:12:24,320 --> 05:12:26,160 concerns that I expressed was that, you 8460 05:12:26,160 --> 05:12:28,480 know, that Alpine Elementary stay open. 8461 05:12:28,480 --> 05:12:30,080 And he said there's no plans to close 8462 05:12:30,080 --> 05:12:32,000 Alpine Elementary anytime in the short 8463 05:12:32,000 --> 05:12:36,480 future. So, I was glad to hear that. Um 8464 05:12:36,480 --> 05:12:38,080 but that was the main thing. He seems 8465 05:12:38,080 --> 05:12:41,200 very amenable to work with um our city 8466 05:12:41,200 --> 05:12:44,240 and all the cities within the district. 8467 05:12:44,240 --> 05:12:46,320 And then um I wanted to make where I 8468 05:12:46,320 --> 05:12:48,160 went to a meeting at AF hospital that 8469 05:12:48,160 --> 05:12:50,560 there is a new family a free family 8470 05:12:50,560 --> 05:12:53,200 clinic for health care needs for people 8471 05:12:53,200 --> 05:12:57,280 that um don't qualify for Medicaid. Is 8472 05:12:57,280 --> 05:12:59,440 that what it is? But don't have 8473 05:12:59,440 --> 05:13:02,560 insurance. So you you know it's you can 8474 05:13:02,560 --> 05:13:04,958 still you make them you make money but 8475 05:13:04,958 --> 05:13:07,600 not enough and so they offer a variety 8476 05:13:07,600 --> 05:13:10,958 of um services that's available to you 8477 05:13:10,958 --> 05:13:14,000 county. They are located down at the UVU 8478 05:13:14,000 --> 05:13:17,120 Annex Center. And then um 8479 05:13:17,120 --> 05:13:18,958 >> sorry did you say that's for children or 8480 05:13:18,958 --> 05:13:19,760 children and adults? 8481 05:13:19,760 --> 05:13:22,240 >> It's for family. It's for families. Um 8482 05:13:22,240 --> 05:13:26,320 which is awesome. And then 8483 05:13:26,320 --> 05:13:29,200 >> let's can we put that in the news line 8484 05:13:29,200 --> 05:13:31,520 about that? Yeah. And then I wanted to 8485 05:13:31,520 --> 05:13:35,040 do an update on the Poppy Garden. Um I 8486 05:13:35,040 --> 05:13:38,638 did a shift uh on Poppy Patrol and um 8487 05:13:38,638 --> 05:13:40,400 there I feel like there weren't as many 8488 05:13:40,400 --> 05:13:41,760 people this year. So I don't know if 8489 05:13:41,760 --> 05:13:44,160 it's gotten out that there aren't as 8490 05:13:44,160 --> 05:13:49,120 many. So, um but um 8491 05:13:49,120 --> 05:13:50,878 because it was last Saturday, so it 8492 05:13:50,878 --> 05:13:53,760 should have been a big weekend in in the 8493 05:13:53,760 --> 05:13:55,440 evening and I was expecting a lot of 8494 05:13:55,440 --> 05:13:58,798 people coming in, but we noticed that um 8495 05:13:58,798 --> 05:14:01,200 there might be some vandalism going on, 8496 05:14:01,200 --> 05:14:03,920 people um plucking off the pods before 8497 05:14:03,920 --> 05:14:08,400 they even bloom. ABC4 came today um and 8498 05:14:08,400 --> 05:14:11,440 they're going to run a new story about 8499 05:14:11,440 --> 05:14:14,560 that and with um to help find the 8500 05:14:14,560 --> 05:14:18,080 culprits. Jessica has offered a um 8501 05:14:18,080 --> 05:14:22,958 reward leading to the culprit. Um and so 8502 05:14:22,958 --> 05:14:24,958 we're hoping that getting this story out 8503 05:14:24,958 --> 05:14:27,280 there will help us maybe find whoever is 8504 05:14:27,280 --> 05:14:29,920 doing this. And then I do want to say I 8505 05:14:29,920 --> 05:14:32,080 really appreciate the chief for um 8506 05:14:32,080 --> 05:14:34,400 because I think I just barely asked him, 8507 05:14:34,400 --> 05:14:37,600 was it two weeks ago to arrange for the 8508 05:14:37,600 --> 05:14:39,040 camera trailer to be up there at the 8509 05:14:39,040 --> 05:14:42,400 poppy garden and um he you know he was 8510 05:14:42,400 --> 05:14:44,000 telling me I can probably only get it 8511 05:14:44,000 --> 05:14:45,520 for a couple weeks but to get it for the 8512 05:14:45,520 --> 05:14:48,560 whole month other than the um ORM days 8513 05:14:48,560 --> 05:14:51,280 I'm really really happy about that you 8514 05:14:51,280 --> 05:14:53,600 know and I'm thinking next year we might 8515 05:14:53,600 --> 05:14:56,798 I do have to say though one caveat once 8516 05:14:56,798 --> 05:14:59,760 the um trail cameras went up. I do feel 8517 05:14:59,760 --> 05:15:03,920 like the vandalism has um reduced 8518 05:15:03,920 --> 05:15:06,798 drastically, at least from what I 8519 05:15:06,798 --> 05:15:09,600 noticed in the garden. Heidi, have you 8520 05:15:09,600 --> 05:15:10,958 do you think that too? Because I feel 8521 05:15:10,958 --> 05:15:13,840 like there's a lot of um blooms that are 8522 05:15:13,840 --> 05:15:19,280 ready to bud or um that and they haven't 8523 05:15:19,280 --> 05:15:21,840 been snapped off. And so I think the 8524 05:15:21,840 --> 05:15:23,600 trail cameras have been a really good 8525 05:15:23,600 --> 05:15:27,440 deterrent. I I agree. The the the the 8526 05:15:27,440 --> 05:15:29,600 ones that were clipped were clearly in 8527 05:15:29,600 --> 05:15:33,360 the first bloom set and the the blooms 8528 05:15:33,360 --> 05:15:35,520 that have the buds that have come since 8529 05:15:35,520 --> 05:15:37,600 then are the ones that are actually 8530 05:15:37,600 --> 05:15:40,638 blooming. So the it is nice to see that 8531 05:15:40,638 --> 05:15:42,718 some flowers have actually matured all 8532 05:15:42,718 --> 05:15:45,120 the way to bloom because it was very 8533 05:15:45,120 --> 05:15:47,040 disheartening to see the opposite 8534 05:15:47,040 --> 05:15:49,600 happening. So, I don't know what the 8535 05:15:49,600 --> 05:15:51,520 trigger was, if it was the cameras or if 8536 05:15:51,520 --> 05:15:53,920 it's more people or the combination of 8537 05:15:53,920 --> 05:15:56,080 all of those things. I think we need to 8538 05:15:56,080 --> 05:15:58,240 keep it up though. All of those things. 8539 05:15:58,240 --> 05:16:02,400 >> No, for sure. So, and then we're just 8540 05:16:02,400 --> 05:16:03,680 going to start here and go through. Is 8541 05:16:03,680 --> 05:16:04,560 that okay? 8542 05:16:04,560 --> 05:16:05,120 >> Brent, do you have 8543 05:16:05,120 --> 05:16:07,360 >> The only thing is Al the next Alpine 8544 05:16:07,360 --> 05:16:10,080 Trail Service Day is June 13th. 8545 05:16:10,080 --> 05:16:12,718 >> So, mark your calendars. 8546 05:16:12,718 --> 05:16:15,680 >> June 13th, Saturday morning. More info 8547 05:16:15,680 --> 05:16:17,120 hopefully will be coming out through 8548 05:16:17,120 --> 05:16:17,760 Heidi. 8549 05:16:17,760 --> 05:16:19,280 >> Brian, I try to follow up with them. 8550 05:16:19,280 --> 05:16:20,718 Would you just tell us when the meetings 8551 05:16:20,718 --> 05:16:22,160 are? I'm supposed I'm on the committee 8552 05:16:22,160 --> 05:16:23,920 and I've hit one, but then they canled 8553 05:16:23,920 --> 05:16:25,600 one and then I missed one. So, just let 8554 05:16:25,600 --> 05:16:26,718 me know if you're at one and I'm not 8555 05:16:26,718 --> 05:16:27,360 there. 8556 05:16:27,360 --> 05:16:28,400 >> Any new meetings 8557 05:16:28,400 --> 05:16:30,320 >> there? There um there was one right 8558 05:16:30,320 --> 05:16:31,920 before the other trail day, but 8559 05:16:31,920 --> 05:16:34,000 >> right I went to that one. Um, this one 8560 05:16:34,000 --> 05:16:36,958 is the areas that were too wet in the 8561 05:16:36,958 --> 05:16:38,400 earlier one and they're going to be 8562 05:16:38,400 --> 05:16:41,360 doing a bridge or two, but I think they 8563 05:16:41,360 --> 05:16:43,520 need to have specialty things and then a 8564 05:16:43,520 --> 05:16:44,958 lot of cleanup, but it's all in the 8565 05:16:44,958 --> 05:16:47,280 three falls. So, instead of at the bay, 8566 05:16:47,280 --> 05:16:48,958 just in case anybody asks you, it's not 8567 05:16:48,958 --> 05:16:50,718 at the bay. They're meeting at three. 8568 05:16:50,718 --> 05:16:52,240 >> And both of you are still waiting for 8569 05:16:52,240 --> 05:16:53,920 the ordinance, right? The trails 8570 05:16:53,920 --> 05:16:54,638 ordinance. 8571 05:16:54,638 --> 05:16:57,280 >> Yeah, we haven't Have they got given 8572 05:16:57,280 --> 05:16:59,120 >> you as and I'm not interjecting. This is 8573 05:16:59,120 --> 05:17:01,200 exactly what they're uh I just letting 8574 05:17:01,200 --> 05:17:04,160 them know. Uh, I asked you if you wanted 8575 05:17:04,160 --> 05:17:06,958 me to do it. You said talk to Will. I 8576 05:17:06,958 --> 05:17:08,160 reached out to Will. I haven't heard 8577 05:17:08,160 --> 05:17:11,040 anything back from him. So, whatever you 8578 05:17:11,040 --> 05:17:12,240 guys want to do, I'm happy to help. 8579 05:17:12,240 --> 05:17:13,280 However you want to go about that 8580 05:17:13,280 --> 05:17:13,680 ordinance. 8581 05:17:13,680 --> 05:17:16,080 >> Yeah. So, Kaden and Heidi, they they 8582 05:17:16,080 --> 05:17:18,160 would like to update our trail 8583 05:17:18,160 --> 05:17:20,718 restrictions on motorized vehicles. So, 8584 05:17:20,718 --> 05:17:23,040 we have signs that go with every the 8585 05:17:23,040 --> 05:17:24,080 other things we want to put on the 8586 05:17:24,080 --> 05:17:26,718 signs. So, it's very clear. And then we 8587 05:17:26,718 --> 05:17:28,638 have an ordinance that has some teeth to 8588 05:17:28,638 --> 05:17:30,080 it that we can enforce criminal 8589 05:17:30,080 --> 05:17:32,240 penalties or I feel like I'm over 8590 05:17:32,240 --> 05:17:34,240 speaking right now, talking way too 8591 05:17:34,240 --> 05:17:35,440 much, but um 8592 05:17:35,440 --> 05:17:37,360 >> Kayen and I are actually working on it. 8593 05:17:37,360 --> 05:17:40,718 We've gotten the hold of the the draper 8594 05:17:40,718 --> 05:17:42,638 >> rules and all of that stuff. And so it's 8595 05:17:42,638 --> 05:17:44,320 just in process because it's not just 8596 05:17:44,320 --> 05:17:46,160 the trails. We also have to kind of make 8597 05:17:46,160 --> 05:17:48,400 the park rules at the same time. 8598 05:17:48,400 --> 05:17:50,240 >> At that point, we'll just that way we 8599 05:17:50,240 --> 05:17:52,480 can have an ordinance on the signs. 8600 05:17:52,480 --> 05:17:55,440 >> But it has been a wild week. So I will 8601 05:17:55,440 --> 05:17:56,958 just take the fault on that. 8602 05:17:56,958 --> 05:17:58,160 >> I'm glad you're working on that. 8603 05:17:58,160 --> 05:17:59,920 >> Oh no, we're working on it. 8604 05:17:59,920 --> 05:18:04,480 And we talked about this internally. It will probably be an ordinance that 8605 05:18:04,480 --> 05:18:06,638 doesn't go in the municipal code, but it 8606 05:18:06,638 --> 05:18:09,120 will be an ordinance adopted as an 8607 05:18:09,120 --> 05:18:10,878 ordinance so an ordinance number can be 8608 05:18:10,878 --> 05:18:13,280 referred to. But some ordinances just 8609 05:18:13,280 --> 05:18:15,200 don't go in the municipal code. 8610 05:18:15,200 --> 05:18:16,080 >> Oh, really? I didn't 8611 05:18:16,080 --> 05:18:18,878 >> That's what Steve suggested. 8612 05:18:18,878 --> 05:18:20,480 >> Okay. 8613 05:18:20,480 --> 05:18:21,520 >> Anything else? 8614 05:18:21,520 --> 05:18:22,320 >> Nope. 8615 05:18:22,320 --> 05:18:25,600 >> Sarah, Jessica, I'll do our last. 8616 05:18:25,600 --> 05:18:29,200 >> Oh, okay. Um, we had the swearing in for 8617 05:18:29,200 --> 05:18:32,160 AYC last Thursday. That was really 8618 05:18:32,160 --> 05:18:36,320 great. Um, water committee. Um, we're 8619 05:18:36,320 --> 05:18:38,638 learning that we're losing some water 8620 05:18:38,638 --> 05:18:40,958 due to leakage. So, we're trying to 8621 05:18:40,958 --> 05:18:42,638 encourage everyone to get eye on water 8622 05:18:42,638 --> 05:18:45,600 app. And then also there's some 8623 05:18:45,600 --> 05:18:47,440 wonderful volunteers from the water 8624 05:18:47,440 --> 05:18:49,760 committee that are volunteering to call 8625 05:18:49,760 --> 05:18:52,480 some of the people that are have larger 8626 05:18:52,480 --> 05:18:56,000 leagues and try to help them get eye on 8627 05:18:56,000 --> 05:19:00,320 water and educate them in a kind way. 8628 05:19:00,320 --> 05:19:01,840 >> Um 8629 05:19:01,840 --> 05:19:03,440 and 8630 05:19:03,440 --> 05:19:05,040 I don't know that I have anything else 8631 05:19:05,040 --> 05:19:09,600 other than that. Um yeah, Chrissy. 8632 05:19:09,600 --> 05:19:13,120 >> Okay, I'll go from 8633 05:19:13,120 --> 05:19:15,760 Okay, let's see. I attended the parks 8634 05:19:15,760 --> 05:19:18,400 open house. Did you say that? 8635 05:19:18,400 --> 05:19:19,520 >> Oh, I forgot about that. 8636 05:19:19,520 --> 05:19:22,080 >> That was that was um it was it was a 8637 05:19:22,080 --> 05:19:23,520 good turnout, but I'm glad that we're 8638 05:19:23,520 --> 05:19:26,240 getting a lot of survey responses. 8639 05:19:26,240 --> 05:19:26,798 >> It was. 8640 05:19:26,798 --> 05:19:28,480 >> Yeah, they actually said it was a good 8641 05:19:28,480 --> 05:19:30,400 turnout for what they've done. They said 8642 05:19:30,400 --> 05:19:32,878 that they got and then just for the 8643 05:19:32,878 --> 05:19:35,040 emails, we've sent out personal emails 8644 05:19:35,040 --> 05:19:37,360 to all the the emails we have in the 8645 05:19:37,360 --> 05:19:40,160 utilities plus the the social media push 8646 05:19:40,160 --> 05:19:41,760 and all of that stuff. So, I feel like 8647 05:19:41,760 --> 05:19:43,680 we've gotten some good feedback. 8648 05:19:43,680 --> 05:19:45,040 >> When I talked to the consultants, they 8649 05:19:45,040 --> 05:19:46,638 said this was a really that it was a 8650 05:19:46,638 --> 05:19:48,400 really good turnout for our city our 8651 05:19:48,400 --> 05:19:49,040 size. 8652 05:19:49,040 --> 05:19:51,040 >> Way to shine parks and wreck and 8653 05:19:51,040 --> 05:19:54,000 communication. Two hats at once. Thank 8654 05:19:54,000 --> 05:19:56,878 you, Heidi. Um I've noticed since I live 8655 05:19:56,878 --> 05:19:58,798 by Burgess Park, we're in full swing 8656 05:19:58,798 --> 05:20:01,840 there. Still needing um the nets to be 8657 05:20:01,840 --> 05:20:05,040 replaced. The hole is growing every day. 8658 05:20:05,040 --> 05:20:06,958 So, it's it's no longer a hole. It's a 8659 05:20:06,958 --> 05:20:09,920 gaping chasm. Catch it. You can get a 8660 05:20:09,920 --> 05:20:12,000 car right through that. Not Not just a 8661 05:20:12,000 --> 05:20:12,320 ball. 8662 05:20:12,320 --> 05:20:14,080 >> Heidi actually got a quote for us. I 8663 05:20:14,080 --> 05:20:15,680 think we're just going to go ahead and 8664 05:20:15,680 --> 05:20:17,360 unless anybody has objection. 8665 05:20:17,360 --> 05:20:21,280 >> Nope. No objections. My friend saw a a 8666 05:20:21,280 --> 05:20:23,840 ball hit a Tesla as it was driving by. 8667 05:20:23,840 --> 05:20:25,360 So, we don't want to add that to our 8668 05:20:25,360 --> 05:20:27,360 insurance claims. So, let's get the net 8669 05:20:27,360 --> 05:20:31,040 fixed. Um I also attended um the Lone 8670 05:20:31,040 --> 05:20:33,200 Peak uh public safety district meeting. 8671 05:20:33,200 --> 05:20:36,160 It was the day after our um council 8672 05:20:36,160 --> 05:20:38,638 meeting. Yes. We had we were literally 8673 05:20:38,638 --> 05:20:41,440 in our beds for less than eight hours. 8674 05:20:41,440 --> 05:20:43,200 Shane less than that because of his 8675 05:20:43,200 --> 05:20:45,760 commute before we had to show up at 7:30 8676 05:20:45,760 --> 05:20:48,320 the next morning. Um we it was an 8677 05:20:48,320 --> 05:20:50,798 interesting discussion mostly focused on 8678 05:20:50,798 --> 05:20:53,680 tier one, tier 2 Utah retirement system 8679 05:20:53,680 --> 05:20:56,958 and the way benefits are compensated. Um 8680 05:20:56,958 --> 05:20:59,360 I don't know how that would be reflected 8681 05:20:59,360 --> 05:21:02,000 here in the city but something um that 8682 05:21:02,000 --> 05:21:04,160 we've discussed at the Lone Peak and 8683 05:21:04,160 --> 05:21:07,280 that we will um go into a deeper dive 8684 05:21:07,280 --> 05:21:10,560 prior to a budget season next year so 8685 05:21:10,560 --> 05:21:13,520 that we're not um rate like rushing the 8686 05:21:13,520 --> 05:21:16,638 process. Um 8687 05:21:16,638 --> 05:21:18,798 I mentioned literacy. I again 8688 05:21:18,798 --> 05:21:20,718 brainstormed with our lovely 8689 05:21:20,718 --> 05:21:23,600 communication head here and um because 8690 05:21:23,600 --> 05:21:27,760 summer is it's summer time and there is 8691 05:21:27,760 --> 05:21:30,560 a literacy crisis with our um young 8692 05:21:30,560 --> 05:21:32,400 elementary school kids, we're going to 8693 05:21:32,400 --> 05:21:35,600 encourage summer reading and share some 8694 05:21:35,600 --> 05:21:38,160 other information in the news line. 8695 05:21:38,160 --> 05:21:40,480 Lastly, um, at the Utah League of City 8696 05:21:40,480 --> 05:21:44,480 of Towns, they were promoting the 250. 8697 05:21:44,480 --> 05:21:46,400 And I went to two presidential libraries 8698 05:21:46,400 --> 05:21:48,798 since then, and they have huge displays. 8699 05:21:48,798 --> 05:21:50,320 And, um, I know it's our theme for 8700 05:21:50,320 --> 05:21:53,200 Alpine Days, but I did notice, um, July 8701 05:21:53,200 --> 05:21:55,920 5th is a Sunday, and I was wondering if 8702 05:21:55,920 --> 05:21:58,240 we would consider sponsoring a potluck 8703 05:21:58,240 --> 05:22:00,958 like in our in our, uh, Creekide Park 8704 05:22:00,958 --> 05:22:03,520 and just having like popsicles. I talked 8705 05:22:03,520 --> 05:22:05,520 to the youth council people, but how do 8706 05:22:05,520 --> 05:22:08,958 you feel? I feel like um that would be a 8707 05:22:08,958 --> 05:22:12,638 good unifying event with low 8708 05:22:12,638 --> 05:22:14,638 what do I want to say low commitment 8709 05:22:14,638 --> 05:22:16,958 level from the city but at least like to 8710 05:22:16,958 --> 05:22:18,958 gather people in the park and have just 8711 05:22:18,958 --> 05:22:21,200 a potluck. People were wondering about 8712 05:22:21,200 --> 05:22:24,080 the heat at that time. So, um, we were 8713 05:22:24,080 --> 05:22:25,600 thinking maybe just do desserts and 8714 05:22:25,600 --> 05:22:29,280 popsicles for the kids, you know. So, 8715 05:22:29,280 --> 05:22:31,360 um, considering we're at a very short 8716 05:22:31,360 --> 05:22:32,878 timeline, 8717 05:22:32,878 --> 05:22:35,360 I kind of need feedback now and if 8718 05:22:35,360 --> 05:22:37,440 that's possible or we're already focused 8719 05:22:37,440 --> 05:22:39,440 on it for Alpine Days and that's our 8720 05:22:39,440 --> 05:22:39,920 focus. 8721 05:22:39,920 --> 05:22:41,840 >> Um, we're actually officially partners 8722 05:22:41,840 --> 05:22:43,840 with the state movement and that is 8723 05:22:43,840 --> 05:22:45,840 actually a statewide initiative. It 8724 05:22:45,840 --> 05:22:46,718 >> It's country wide. 8725 05:22:46,718 --> 05:22:48,320 >> So, we can is it country? 8726 05:22:48,320 --> 05:22:49,840 >> It's all over the country. The entire 8727 05:22:49,840 --> 05:22:52,718 country. We have a pot. It is a an 8728 05:22:52,718 --> 05:22:54,878 initiative where I mean I'm welcome to 8729 05:22:54,878 --> 05:22:58,160 we h sorry I'm happy to facilitate it. 8730 05:22:58,160 --> 05:23:00,000 They also talked about it trying to be 8731 05:23:00,000 --> 05:23:03,520 more on a neighborhood basis too. So we 8732 05:23:03,520 --> 05:23:06,400 can also take it as a encouraging people 8733 05:23:06,400 --> 05:23:08,718 to do it kind of in their in their own 8734 05:23:08,718 --> 05:23:10,638 little areas. So it's kind of up to you 8735 05:23:10,638 --> 05:23:11,920 guys how you want to do it if you want 8736 05:23:11,920 --> 05:23:12,878 to do it at all. 8737 05:23:12,878 --> 05:23:15,600 >> So I'm just thinking one issue with a 8738 05:23:15,600 --> 05:23:18,480 citywide might be a mass gathering with 8739 05:23:18,480 --> 05:23:21,440 county health department. 8740 05:23:21,440 --> 05:23:23,120 We have restrooms and water 8741 05:23:23,120 --> 05:23:25,200 >> and all of that stuff. Yeah, I I do know 8742 05:23:25,200 --> 05:23:28,240 that it's also, for lack of a a secular 8743 05:23:28,240 --> 05:23:30,480 term, it's a fast Sunday. And so there 8744 05:23:30,480 --> 05:23:33,040 has been a Oh, Jessica, I think we want 8745 05:23:33,040 --> 05:23:36,878 in. She's texting. Um, but as I 8746 05:23:36,878 --> 05:23:39,120 understand it, the powers that be have 8747 05:23:39,120 --> 05:23:41,280 said that they will not discourage that 8748 05:23:41,280 --> 05:23:44,638 activity. So, um, um, 8749 05:23:44,638 --> 05:23:46,080 >> good research there. 8750 05:23:46,080 --> 05:23:46,958 >> Oh, it's on a Sunday. 8751 05:23:46,958 --> 05:23:48,718 >> I'm going to all the meetings. So, um, 8752 05:23:48,718 --> 05:23:50,480 >> the last week is a Sunday in case you're 8753 05:23:50,480 --> 05:23:52,638 wondering. So, dessert would be another 8754 05:23:52,638 --> 05:23:54,560 option to accommodate those that have 8755 05:23:54,560 --> 05:23:56,798 religious, um, restrictions on eating 8756 05:23:56,798 --> 05:23:59,440 that day, but as far as I know, we eat 8757 05:23:59,440 --> 05:24:01,360 dinner on fast Sunday. So, 8758 05:24:01,360 --> 05:24:04,240 >> you wouldn't be from Monday or Tuesday. 8759 05:24:04,240 --> 05:24:06,638 >> Anyways, so I I think it's a good thing. 8760 05:24:06,638 --> 05:24:10,718 I feel like often um, we we love to 8761 05:24:10,718 --> 05:24:12,560 gather and like I said, it's low 8762 05:24:12,560 --> 05:24:14,240 commitment from the city. What? I don't 8763 05:24:14,240 --> 05:24:16,958 know if we need to open up restrooms 8764 05:24:16,958 --> 05:24:18,638 or are they closed? Aren't they closed 8765 05:24:18,638 --> 05:24:19,920 on Sunday? 8766 05:24:19,920 --> 05:24:22,080 >> They're open. Okay. So, again, like I 8767 05:24:22,080 --> 05:24:23,760 don't know what it would be required. If 8768 05:24:23,760 --> 05:24:26,080 that's something we could support, I 8769 05:24:26,080 --> 05:24:28,240 would want it in the newsletter in June. 8770 05:24:28,240 --> 05:24:30,320 Um, if we want to reach out to the 8771 05:24:30,320 --> 05:24:32,000 powers that be of the three 8772 05:24:32,000 --> 05:24:34,560 ecclesiastical units just to include it 8773 05:24:34,560 --> 05:24:36,480 in their 8774 05:24:36,480 --> 05:24:37,600 >> Does it have to be I don't know this 8775 05:24:37,600 --> 05:24:38,878 about this. I love the idea. Does it 8776 05:24:38,878 --> 05:24:39,840 have to be on the fifth? Can it be on 8777 05:24:39,840 --> 05:24:40,638 the 6th or 8778 05:24:40,638 --> 05:24:43,920 >> that's that is the that is the official 8779 05:24:43,920 --> 05:24:46,638 >> for the 250 celebration. It's it's an 8780 05:24:46,638 --> 05:24:49,040 official date that they're doing. Now 8781 05:24:49,040 --> 05:24:51,120 that said, there's also the trucks and 8782 05:24:51,120 --> 05:24:53,440 tunes on Tuesday. We could also do 8783 05:24:53,440 --> 05:24:55,040 something that you know and not do it 8784 05:24:55,040 --> 05:24:56,240 that day. It's kind of 8785 05:24:56,240 --> 05:24:58,240 >> I'm not saying we want to because it's 8786 05:24:58,240 --> 05:24:59,920 more work for me, but that's another 8787 05:24:59,920 --> 05:25:02,400 option. 8788 05:25:02,400 --> 05:25:04,480 I I want it to be less I want it to be 8789 05:25:04,480 --> 05:25:06,400 less work for the city and more 8790 05:25:06,400 --> 05:25:08,718 neighbors just gathering and whatever 8791 05:25:08,718 --> 05:25:10,878 that mean whatever that looks like. And 8792 05:25:10,878 --> 05:25:12,480 a lot of comments because I talked to 8793 05:25:12,480 --> 05:25:15,520 them at Memorial Day from um you know 8794 05:25:15,520 --> 05:25:17,840 the people the youth council leaders 8795 05:25:17,840 --> 05:25:19,440 just asking them would you guys even be 8796 05:25:19,440 --> 05:25:21,200 around? They just say a lot of their 8797 05:25:21,200 --> 05:25:22,958 families travel. So it's not like we're 8798 05:25:22,958 --> 05:25:24,878 going to be a mass gathering because 8799 05:25:24,878 --> 05:25:27,200 like half the town is out of town. But 8800 05:25:27,200 --> 05:25:28,480 those of us that aren't going out of 8801 05:25:28,480 --> 05:25:31,120 town, we could gather and just get to 8802 05:25:31,120 --> 05:25:32,400 know her and and it could be in 8803 05:25:32,400 --> 05:25:34,320 neighborhood parks. I don't know. I'm 8804 05:25:34,320 --> 05:25:36,638 throwing the idea out for feedback and 8805 05:25:36,638 --> 05:25:40,080 wanting to get with a short time 8806 05:25:40,080 --> 05:25:42,560 horizon. Um wanting your feedback. 8807 05:25:42,560 --> 05:25:44,400 >> I love the idea. Is that going to make 8808 05:25:44,400 --> 05:25:45,840 the whole staff have to work on a 8809 05:25:45,840 --> 05:25:47,120 Sunday? 8810 05:25:47,120 --> 05:25:51,120 >> No, I I think it's communitydriven. 8811 05:25:51,120 --> 05:25:52,878 >> It's supposed to be community driven. 8812 05:25:52,878 --> 05:25:54,160 It's supposed to even be no 8813 05:25:54,160 --> 05:25:56,480 neighborhoods up. I mean, basically 8814 05:25:56,480 --> 05:25:58,638 they're encouraging people. One part of 8815 05:25:58,638 --> 05:26:01,120 the thing they wanted the city to do is 8816 05:26:01,120 --> 05:26:04,958 allow people to close their roads off 8817 05:26:04,958 --> 05:26:07,440 without having to go through hoops and 8818 05:26:07,440 --> 05:26:08,798 things like that that they're able to do 8819 05:26:08,798 --> 05:26:10,798 a culde-sac and do a neighborhood thing. 8820 05:26:10,798 --> 05:26:12,718 So, they were encouraging the city side 8821 05:26:12,718 --> 05:26:15,760 of it to loosen the restrictions so that 8822 05:26:15,760 --> 05:26:17,520 they are able to do these little 8823 05:26:17,520 --> 05:26:20,320 neighborhood um kind of ground floor 8824 05:26:20,320 --> 05:26:21,920 stuff. 8825 05:26:21,920 --> 05:26:23,440 Of course, that was really hard for me 8826 05:26:23,440 --> 05:26:25,600 to agree to, but you know, I'm since we 8827 05:26:25,600 --> 05:26:27,120 don't even blink if somebody does that 8828 05:26:27,120 --> 05:26:28,400 in our neighborhoods. But 8829 05:26:28,400 --> 05:26:30,240 >> maybe close the road, have some food, 8830 05:26:30,240 --> 05:26:32,560 and light off $10,000 with fireworks. 8831 05:26:32,560 --> 05:26:34,320 >> Fireworks. Yeah, that's 8832 05:26:34,320 --> 05:26:37,170 >> No, that happened on on on Saturday. 8833 05:26:37,170 --> 05:26:38,958 [laughter] We'll gather and clean up all 8834 05:26:38,958 --> 05:26:41,040 the mess. 8835 05:26:41,040 --> 05:26:43,520 >> Um there's also a a website that has all 8836 05:26:43,520 --> 05:26:45,520 of the surrounding areas, all of their 8837 05:26:45,520 --> 05:26:47,360 reg and so I will try and and 8838 05:26:47,360 --> 05:26:49,040 communicate that to the community. what 8839 05:26:49,040 --> 05:26:52,560 other um celebrations are happening that 8840 05:26:52,560 --> 05:26:53,920 weekend. There's a lot of stuff up in 8841 05:26:53,920 --> 05:26:56,480 Salt Lake going on. Um some really neat 8842 05:26:56,480 --> 05:26:58,320 stuff that we can't really compete with 8843 05:26:58,320 --> 05:27:01,440 honestly. And so I'm kind of trying to 8844 05:27:01,440 --> 05:27:03,440 encourage and communicate with the 8845 05:27:03,440 --> 05:27:05,360 people what else is going on in the 8846 05:27:05,360 --> 05:27:07,360 state. They can really participate. 8847 05:27:07,360 --> 05:27:08,400 There's some really neat things 8848 05:27:08,400 --> 05:27:10,400 >> beyond the fifth or just on theth 8849 05:27:10,400 --> 05:27:12,160 >> on the fourth. On the fourth on the 8850 05:27:12,160 --> 05:27:13,196 whole time. Yeah. There's some 8851 05:27:13,196 --> 05:27:14,480 [clears throat] really neat things at 8852 05:27:14,480 --> 05:27:16,400 the cap. That kind of thing that are 8853 05:27:16,400 --> 05:27:17,920 going to go on. So 8854 05:27:17,920 --> 05:27:19,040 >> this thing there's some of the 8855 05:27:19,040 --> 05:27:21,520 logistical challenges. If you do one big 8856 05:27:21,520 --> 05:27:24,558 event either at Burgess or Creekide 8857 05:27:24,558 --> 05:27:26,080 >> and you want bring people to bring 8858 05:27:26,080 --> 05:27:27,920 dessert potlucks, you have to have a 8859 05:27:27,920 --> 05:27:29,840 whole bunch of tables. There's just you 8860 05:27:29,840 --> 05:27:31,840 have the pavilion, but there's just 8861 05:27:31,840 --> 05:27:34,958 where would you put all those desserts? 8862 05:27:34,958 --> 05:27:36,400 You could do the I guess you have two 8863 05:27:36,400 --> 05:27:38,718 pavilions, but there is that right? 8864 05:27:38,718 --> 05:27:39,840 >> People can bring their eight foot 8865 05:27:39,840 --> 05:27:41,760 tables, too. You bring your own tables, 8866 05:27:41,760 --> 05:27:42,160 >> but 8867 05:27:42,160 --> 05:27:42,878 >> or we just 8868 05:27:42,878 --> 05:27:45,360 >> if they're not reserved, maybe block out 8869 05:27:45,360 --> 05:27:47,520 those days on the pavilions. 8870 05:27:47,520 --> 05:27:48,240 >> Okay, 8871 05:27:48,240 --> 05:27:50,160 >> that's easy. That I can do. 8872 05:27:50,160 --> 05:27:51,280 >> I love the idea. 8873 05:27:51,280 --> 05:27:55,520 >> If you do if you go through the the LDS 8874 05:27:55,520 --> 05:27:57,200 church, you can ask them to do it by 8875 05:27:57,200 --> 05:28:00,320 stakes and do like three or you could 8876 05:28:00,320 --> 05:28:01,760 >> Yeah, maybe you do that. Maybe you work 8877 05:28:01,760 --> 05:28:03,520 with the churches versus 8878 05:28:03,520 --> 05:28:04,160 >> because I know 8879 05:28:04,160 --> 05:28:05,440 >> that's what I was saying. If we could 8880 05:28:05,440 --> 05:28:08,000 communicate because it is on a Sunday 8881 05:28:08,000 --> 05:28:09,760 anyways. I don't I want to communicate 8882 05:28:09,760 --> 05:28:11,520 through the city, but just 8883 05:28:11,520 --> 05:28:14,320 >> designate the park maybe to go to. I 8884 05:28:14,320 --> 05:28:14,718 don't know. 8885 05:28:14,718 --> 05:28:16,558 >> I know the ward I go to, we make a 8886 05:28:16,558 --> 05:28:18,638 concerted effort whenever we do 8887 05:28:18,638 --> 05:28:20,718 something like this to invite everyone 8888 05:28:20,718 --> 05:28:23,440 regardless of affiliation. Make it a 8889 05:28:23,440 --> 05:28:24,240 neighborhood event. 8890 05:28:24,240 --> 05:28:25,120 >> Oh, yeah. 8891 05:28:25,120 --> 05:28:27,120 >> And this is a national event, so it's 8892 05:28:27,120 --> 05:28:30,080 even more neighborhood than 8893 05:28:30,080 --> 05:28:30,958 >> what you're talking about. 8894 05:28:30,958 --> 05:28:34,320 >> Maybe ask the church to help coordinate 8895 05:28:34,320 --> 05:28:36,400 it. So, we're in a couple different 8896 05:28:36,400 --> 05:28:38,480 locations, but make sure it's 8897 05:28:38,480 --> 05:28:40,080 communicated as a as a neighborhood 8898 05:28:40,080 --> 05:28:41,920 thing or as a community thing. 8899 05:28:41,920 --> 05:28:42,958 >> This kind of supposed to be a 8900 05:28:42,958 --> 05:28:44,558 grassroots. It's supposed to be, you 8901 05:28:44,558 --> 05:28:46,320 know, the people that you're around by, 8902 05:28:46,320 --> 05:28:47,920 you know, that's the theme of it. That's 8903 05:28:47,920 --> 05:28:49,360 why they're not doing something on a 8904 05:28:49,360 --> 05:28:52,958 state level or on a county level. 8905 05:28:52,958 --> 05:28:54,718 >> Or even quite honestly a city level in 8906 05:28:54,718 --> 05:28:56,878 many cases depending on some of the 8907 05:28:56,878 --> 05:28:57,840 smaller cities. 8908 05:28:57,840 --> 05:29:00,080 >> What if we did it this way? We made if 8909 05:29:00,080 --> 05:29:02,558 they want to host something and like 8910 05:29:02,558 --> 05:29:05,600 then they contact the city to so that 8911 05:29:05,600 --> 05:29:07,680 the reserve pazilian they like they 8912 05:29:07,680 --> 05:29:08,878 could be said which ones have been 8913 05:29:08,878 --> 05:29:10,878 reserved that are accessible for that 8914 05:29:10,878 --> 05:29:13,280 event but that's it. If they if they 8915 05:29:13,280 --> 05:29:15,280 don't make the effort to talk to get 8916 05:29:15,280 --> 05:29:17,360 their neighbors together and they never 8917 05:29:17,360 --> 05:29:18,400 I guess they'll just show up at the 8918 05:29:18,400 --> 05:29:19,840 billion anyways I guess that's not going 8919 05:29:19,840 --> 05:29:20,798 to work. 8920 05:29:20,798 --> 05:29:22,718 >> So the other option is just put it out 8921 05:29:22,718 --> 05:29:24,718 there as a nationwide event that we 8922 05:29:24,718 --> 05:29:26,558 would encourage you to participate in. 8923 05:29:26,558 --> 05:29:26,798 Yeah, 8924 05:29:26,798 --> 05:29:28,400 >> someone step up in your neighborhood and 8925 05:29:28,400 --> 05:29:30,240 start and just organize it. 8926 05:29:30,240 --> 05:29:32,480 >> I like that. 8927 05:29:32,480 --> 05:29:33,600 >> Keep it really simple. 8928 05:29:33,600 --> 05:29:34,798 >> All right, I'll try and include it in 8929 05:29:34,798 --> 05:29:36,400 the newsine too because it's going out 8930 05:29:36,400 --> 05:29:37,120 next. 8931 05:29:37,120 --> 05:29:38,080 >> I think that's good timing. 8932 05:29:38,080 --> 05:29:40,400 >> Yeah, I think we just do that. I think 8933 05:29:40,400 --> 05:29:42,240 >> I think yeah, if we just facilitate that 8934 05:29:42,240 --> 05:29:44,160 it is a nationwide event that is really 8935 05:29:44,160 --> 05:29:46,080 like I said low commitment 8936 05:29:46,080 --> 05:29:48,240 >> even from people like we we we have to 8937 05:29:48,240 --> 05:29:48,718 eat. 8938 05:29:48,718 --> 05:29:50,798 >> Do you want to do you want her to know 8939 05:29:50,798 --> 05:29:53,200 to tell people to bring food or water 8940 05:29:53,200 --> 05:29:54,638 pops or something? I think it would be 8941 05:29:54,638 --> 05:29:56,160 entirely up to the person, the 8942 05:29:56,160 --> 05:29:57,840 neighborhood themselves, what they want 8943 05:29:57,840 --> 05:29:58,320 to do. 8944 05:29:58,320 --> 05:30:00,798 >> You could just give a few ideas for 8945 05:30:00,798 --> 05:30:02,160 potluck or 8946 05:30:02,160 --> 05:30:04,638 >> Yeah. Or everyone bring a popsicle or 8947 05:30:04,638 --> 05:30:07,040 >> Yeah. So, we encourage you to celebrate 8948 05:30:07,040 --> 05:30:09,040 America's 250, but you know, 8949 05:30:09,040 --> 05:30:10,638 >> within your neighborhoods and in your 8950 05:30:10,638 --> 05:30:11,760 Okay, that sounds great. 8951 05:30:11,760 --> 05:30:13,040 >> So, you're not Creekide. 8952 05:30:13,040 --> 05:30:14,000 >> Anything else? 8953 05:30:14,000 --> 05:30:15,760 >> Nothing. We reserve the pavilion for 8954 05:30:15,760 --> 05:30:17,200 these events. So, 8955 05:30:17,200 --> 05:30:18,638 >> yeah. And I'll just say that, you know, 8956 05:30:18,638 --> 05:30:20,558 we have pavilions available in the city 8957 05:30:20,558 --> 05:30:21,920 throughout the city if you want to 8958 05:30:21,920 --> 05:30:24,080 reserve and we'll wave the fee. Are we 8959 05:30:24,080 --> 05:30:25,040 comfortable with that? 8960 05:30:25,040 --> 05:30:26,638 >> Yeah, I think so. Yeah. 8961 05:30:26,638 --> 05:30:28,000 >> But I would think if it's a neighborhood 8962 05:30:28,000 --> 05:30:29,280 thing though that they would stay within 8963 05:30:29,280 --> 05:30:30,798 the neighborhood at least like the ones 8964 05:30:30,798 --> 05:30:32,240 that I've purchased. We 8965 05:30:32,240 --> 05:30:34,320 >> My pavilion is in my neighborhood. And 8966 05:30:34,320 --> 05:30:35,600 it's Burgess Park. 8967 05:30:35,600 --> 05:30:38,240 >> Nice. And it's brand new. Do you have 8968 05:30:38,240 --> 05:30:39,840 anything else? 8969 05:30:39,840 --> 05:30:41,120 >> Anything else, Chrissy? 8970 05:30:41,120 --> 05:30:42,718 >> Um, that was the last thing. 8971 05:30:42,718 --> 05:30:43,440 >> Okay, Andrew, 8972 05:30:43,440 --> 05:30:44,240 >> can you will you just bring out the 8973 05:30:44,240 --> 05:30:46,240 folder? I'll run through these quick. Uh 8974 05:30:46,240 --> 05:30:49,520 the um and you start at the bottom ones. 8975 05:30:49,520 --> 05:30:52,400 Uh and I'll run through them quick. Not 8976 05:30:52,400 --> 05:30:54,080 that. But isn't that nice? It could be a 8977 05:30:54,080 --> 05:30:59,840 way better sign, but not that. Uh you close. You just start refresh it. 8978 05:30:59,840 --> 05:31:01,920 You're going to want to refresh or this 8979 05:31:01,920 --> 05:31:03,680 is up. This is how great of a job. Oh, 8980 05:31:03,680 --> 05:31:07,200 you go go down. Uh well, no. If you 8981 05:31:07,200 --> 05:31:08,718 start on the bottom because these are 8982 05:31:08,718 --> 05:31:10,718 not with Okay, those are that's 8983 05:31:10,718 --> 05:31:13,120 >> Come on. Hey, next time I do have a 8984 05:31:13,120 --> 05:31:15,520 suggestion. Can you rename these? 8985 05:31:15,520 --> 05:31:17,200 >> Yeah, I hope you're right. Okay, this is 8986 05:31:17,200 --> 05:31:19,360 it. This is Okay, so resident reached 8987 05:31:19,360 --> 05:31:22,000 out. Um, neighborhood reached out and 8988 05:31:22,000 --> 05:31:23,280 wanted to bring Just scroll through 8989 05:31:23,280 --> 05:31:24,558 these really quick. 8990 05:31:24,558 --> 05:31:26,878 >> They'd like some Stop there. No, they'd 8991 05:31:26,878 --> 05:31:28,718 like some help. If you go one more, 8992 05:31:28,718 --> 05:31:31,120 Caden, they're petitioning for some 8993 05:31:31,120 --> 05:31:32,878 help. Uh, Shane said, this was 8994 05:31:32,878 --> 05:31:34,080 administrative thing, so I want to bring 8995 05:31:34,080 --> 05:31:36,798 it up to you folks where um, you know 8996 05:31:36,798 --> 05:31:39,200 about this. I guess every red sign is 8997 05:31:39,200 --> 05:31:42,080 where there are signs already. They're 8998 05:31:42,080 --> 05:31:44,320 let they're telling me that uh and I'm 8999 05:31:44,320 --> 05:31:46,878 sure you as well that the people are not 9000 05:31:46,878 --> 05:31:49,200 parking for the Timberline school in the 9001 05:31:49,200 --> 05:31:51,040 Timberline parking lots. They're parking 9002 05:31:51,040 --> 05:31:53,200 all the way up to the very end of that 9003 05:31:53,200 --> 05:31:54,718 street where all those black dots are. 9004 05:31:54,718 --> 05:31:56,160 So, they're asking for some more signs 9005 05:31:56,160 --> 05:31:57,840 there. Okay, you can go to the next one. 9006 05:31:57,840 --> 05:31:59,600 So, feel free to think about that. Uh 9007 05:31:59,600 --> 05:32:00,958 this was already brought up, but this is 9008 05:32:00,958 --> 05:32:03,760 a really great letter about the uh fire 9009 05:32:03,760 --> 05:32:05,760 department building and history that I 9010 05:32:05,760 --> 05:32:07,840 had no idea from the Watkins family. 9011 05:32:07,840 --> 05:32:09,520 didn't know he had built this building 9012 05:32:09,520 --> 05:32:11,440 or or did the addition in the 90s to 9013 05:32:11,440 --> 05:32:12,958 this building. Great great insight if 9014 05:32:12,958 --> 05:32:14,558 you want to read that. This is really 9015 05:32:14,558 --> 05:32:15,680 good. I think you will actually love 9016 05:32:15,680 --> 05:32:18,878 this. I had no idea about this. This is 9017 05:32:18,878 --> 05:32:21,520 we had a meeting this week. Uh Jessica 9018 05:32:21,520 --> 05:32:25,040 set it up. Um I went to it uh and 9019 05:32:25,040 --> 05:32:27,040 learned all about our Bonavville trail. 9020 05:32:27,040 --> 05:32:28,240 So I can explain this because this 9021 05:32:28,240 --> 05:32:29,760 doesn't make sense. This is our 9022 05:32:29,760 --> 05:32:33,200 Bonavville Shoreline Trail in Alpine. 9023 05:32:33,200 --> 05:32:35,680 And where it is read, and I'm sorry, I 9024 05:32:35,680 --> 05:32:37,200 was drawing over it while he was 9025 05:32:37,200 --> 05:32:39,120 talking. Where it is read is where we 9026 05:32:39,120 --> 05:32:40,878 have easements. 9027 05:32:40,878 --> 05:32:43,600 And there are lots of places, I'm sorry, 9028 05:32:43,600 --> 05:32:45,680 it's hard to uh understand. I can show 9029 05:32:45,680 --> 05:32:48,798 you oneonone, but there are lots of gaps 9030 05:32:48,798 --> 05:32:51,840 where it is not finished, our trail. And 9031 05:32:51,840 --> 05:32:55,680 so his ask was that we work on things to 9032 05:32:55,680 --> 05:32:59,440 try to complete it. So it goes through p 9033 05:32:59,440 --> 05:33:01,440 Oh, well, no, you stay there. Sorry, 9034 05:33:01,440 --> 05:33:03,920 Ken. It goes through private land, uh, 9035 05:33:03,920 --> 05:33:07,040 federal forest land, and, um, county 9036 05:33:07,040 --> 05:33:09,040 land. And so, it's something we can 9037 05:33:09,040 --> 05:33:10,558 always be working on. And so, he put it 9038 05:33:10,558 --> 05:33:13,280 on my radar. This is on the east side. 9039 05:33:13,280 --> 05:33:14,400 So, you're looking at this on the east 9040 05:33:14,400 --> 05:33:15,840 side. That's from American Fort on the 9041 05:33:15,840 --> 05:33:18,718 bottom. Just key point when it hits 9042 05:33:18,718 --> 05:33:21,280 Lambert Park. Whether to go up and 9043 05:33:21,280 --> 05:33:24,718 around um the Lambert Estates 9044 05:33:24,718 --> 05:33:26,958 neighborhood is difficult, but ideal 9045 05:33:26,958 --> 05:33:29,280 because it acts as a twofold thing. a 9046 05:33:29,280 --> 05:33:32,320 really nice trail, a fire break, but 9047 05:33:32,320 --> 05:33:34,160 also that's a very hard direction to go. 9048 05:33:34,160 --> 05:33:35,520 So, they have it going right through 9049 05:33:35,520 --> 05:33:37,680 Lambert Park to bring it up. It goes 9050 05:33:37,680 --> 05:33:38,798 right through the Fitzgerald 9051 05:33:38,798 --> 05:33:41,120 neighborhood, and I don't know if we 9052 05:33:41,120 --> 05:33:43,600 have done anything to preserve that 9053 05:33:43,600 --> 05:33:44,798 through the Fitzgerald. 9054 05:33:44,798 --> 05:33:46,080 >> We did. It's part of the annexation 9055 05:33:46,080 --> 05:33:46,638 agreement. 9056 05:33:46,638 --> 05:33:48,000 >> Great. Okay, great. So, yeah, I assumed 9057 05:33:48,000 --> 05:33:49,280 we did. I I know we did on the lower 9058 05:33:49,280 --> 05:33:50,320 one. I don't know if we did on the 9059 05:33:50,320 --> 05:33:52,320 Bonavville Short Trail Line one, but you 9060 05:33:52,320 --> 05:33:53,600 would know better. He did say how 9061 05:33:53,600 --> 05:33:55,360 wonderful you've been, mayor, in this 9062 05:33:55,360 --> 05:33:56,638 whole process and how much you know 9063 05:33:56,638 --> 05:33:58,638 about it. Anyways, it goes up. So we're 9064 05:33:58,638 --> 05:34:00,000 trying to connect it around the north 9065 05:34:00,000 --> 05:34:01,840 end. There's geographic things. If you 9066 05:34:01,840 --> 05:34:04,160 go to the previous one, Caden, this is 9067 05:34:04,160 --> 05:34:05,840 the west side. So this is how it kind of 9068 05:34:05,840 --> 05:34:07,680 wraps around and goes to the west side. 9069 05:34:07,680 --> 05:34:10,400 This goes it would connect ideally 9070 05:34:10,400 --> 05:34:13,360 through to Draper. Um this is the this 9071 05:34:13,360 --> 05:34:15,520 is what he said. This is the the yellow 9072 05:34:15,520 --> 05:34:17,840 dotted line is where we they would like 9073 05:34:17,840 --> 05:34:20,878 to do it but can't do it because of 9074 05:34:20,878 --> 05:34:22,718 various things. Sometimes it's private 9075 05:34:22,718 --> 05:34:26,160 land, sometimes it is um draper land, 9076 05:34:26,160 --> 05:34:27,760 and they're trying to connect it up by 9077 05:34:27,760 --> 05:34:29,600 Fort Canyon. So, just to have it on your 9078 05:34:29,600 --> 05:34:31,120 radar is a long-term thing that we're 9079 05:34:31,120 --> 05:34:33,280 always looking at. Beautiful trail um 9080 05:34:33,280 --> 05:34:34,638 and something that they're trying to 9081 05:34:34,638 --> 05:34:35,200 get. 9082 05:34:35,200 --> 05:34:37,280 >> There is connection there, but Draper 9083 05:34:37,280 --> 05:34:39,440 has rerouted the Bonavville Shoreline 9084 05:34:39,440 --> 05:34:41,920 Trail. It doesn't go there. 9085 05:34:41,920 --> 05:34:43,680 >> Oh, okay. Okay. So, so these are updates 9086 05:34:43,680 --> 05:34:45,920 that you you should we should have maybe 9087 05:34:45,920 --> 05:34:47,840 a future meeting where you can come and 9088 05:34:47,840 --> 05:34:50,320 tell me what any of us can do to help 9089 05:34:50,320 --> 05:34:51,840 with this, whether it's talk to people 9090 05:34:51,840 --> 05:34:54,400 who have private land or I believe 9091 05:34:54,400 --> 05:34:55,840 you've done a great job with the city 9092 05:34:55,840 --> 05:34:57,760 land and anything else we can update it. 9093 05:34:57,760 --> 05:34:59,040 Okay, you can go through those cadence. 9094 05:34:59,040 --> 05:34:59,920 We can get through this quick. 9095 05:34:59,920 --> 05:35:01,840 >> Is this a meeting? I'm sorry. Was this a 9096 05:35:01,840 --> 05:35:03,920 meeting with a resident or so on? 9097 05:35:03,920 --> 05:35:05,760 >> Amazing. I did not know it's it's a 9098 05:35:05,760 --> 05:35:08,000 nonprofit. He's a guy. I guess they have 9099 05:35:08,000 --> 05:35:09,840 representatives in every county. It is 9100 05:35:09,840 --> 05:35:11,760 not a state or a government thing. It is 9101 05:35:11,760 --> 05:35:13,280 a nonprofit called the Bonavville 9102 05:35:13,280 --> 05:35:16,000 Shoreline Trail nonprofit and they go in 9103 05:35:16,000 --> 05:35:19,840 and they instruct um cities on how to do 9104 05:35:19,840 --> 05:35:22,638 this. And so uh Jessica set it up and I 9105 05:35:22,638 --> 05:35:24,320 said I'd love to go. I thought 9106 05:35:24,320 --> 05:35:26,080 >> so we've been working four years to try 9107 05:35:26,080 --> 05:35:28,160 to get a mini NEPA done by the Forest 9108 05:35:28,160 --> 05:35:28,638 Service. 9109 05:35:28,638 --> 05:35:29,840 >> You can go back Kaden. Sorry. 9110 05:35:29,840 --> 05:35:32,000 >> So it's the Forest Service has to 9111 05:35:32,000 --> 05:35:35,760 recognize that trail and we need that in 9112 05:35:35,760 --> 05:35:37,360 order to designate it as part of the 9113 05:35:37,360 --> 05:35:39,680 Bonavville Shoreline Trail. We started 9114 05:35:39,680 --> 05:35:43,520 with Ryan years ago and um he was 9115 05:35:43,520 --> 05:35:45,680 working with the Forest Service. I was 9116 05:35:45,680 --> 05:35:48,638 pushing from the administrative side of 9117 05:35:48,638 --> 05:35:51,280 the Forest Service. But it was when I 9118 05:35:51,280 --> 05:35:54,080 finally understood right before Brian 9119 05:35:54,080 --> 05:35:56,878 left was he did not understand that 9120 05:35:56,878 --> 05:36:01,440 parts of the trail and where the Forest 9121 05:36:01,440 --> 05:36:05,200 Service and where the Alpine City 9122 05:36:05,200 --> 05:36:07,760 um boundaries aligned with the trail. he 9123 05:36:07,760 --> 05:36:10,320 wasn't as familiar with it. And what the 9124 05:36:10,320 --> 05:36:13,360 Forest Service was asking was for us to 9125 05:36:13,360 --> 05:36:16,798 move the trail so that it was within the 9126 05:36:16,798 --> 05:36:19,360 city instead of in the Forest Service on 9127 05:36:19,360 --> 05:36:20,558 the bottom because 9128 05:36:20,558 --> 05:36:21,680 >> the green is forest. 9129 05:36:21,680 --> 05:36:27,040 >> So, um, Senator Curtis passed a law in 9130 05:36:27,040 --> 05:36:30,480 Congress that allowed us to have bikes 9131 05:36:30,480 --> 05:36:33,200 just on the top portion. The bottom 9132 05:36:33,200 --> 05:36:36,240 portion was not included in his bill. 9133 05:36:36,240 --> 05:36:39,440 And so he was asking move it and Ryan 9134 05:36:39,440 --> 05:36:41,040 did not understand that that's what the 9135 05:36:41,040 --> 05:36:44,958 Forest Service was asking for. And so my 9136 05:36:44,958 --> 05:36:46,878 understanding is we're still waiting for 9137 05:36:46,878 --> 05:36:48,798 the mini NEPA. The mini NEPa takes 9138 05:36:48,798 --> 05:36:52,000 anywhere from 6 months to a year and 9139 05:36:52,000 --> 05:36:54,000 hopefully we'll be able to get that but 9140 05:36:54,000 --> 05:36:55,760 we just need to make sure that the 9141 05:36:55,760 --> 05:36:58,080 correct alignment and the designation is 9142 05:36:58,080 --> 05:36:58,878 there. 9143 05:36:58,878 --> 05:37:01,920 >> Yeah. The red is what we don't own or 9144 05:37:01,920 --> 05:37:03,920 what is not established. The black is 9145 05:37:03,920 --> 05:37:06,638 what we have already created easements 9146 05:37:06,638 --> 05:37:08,080 for with exception on the top where I 9147 05:37:08,080 --> 05:37:09,120 was scribbling. 9148 05:37:09,120 --> 05:37:12,080 >> Yeah. And the red on the east side that 9149 05:37:12,080 --> 05:37:13,760 is up to the forest service to 9150 05:37:13,760 --> 05:37:15,680 recognize. And before the forest service 9151 05:37:15,680 --> 05:37:17,120 will recognize it, they have to do a 9152 05:37:17,120 --> 05:37:19,360 NEPA or a mini NEPA and that's why it 9153 05:37:19,360 --> 05:37:21,200 stops where it does as opposed to going 9154 05:37:21,200 --> 05:37:22,638 up more north. 9155 05:37:22,638 --> 05:37:24,240 >> Right. So I'll just I'll try to help and 9156 05:37:24,240 --> 05:37:25,440 anything you want to do or any 9157 05:37:25,440 --> 05:37:26,958 suggestion you have. I'm sorry on the 9158 05:37:26,958 --> 05:37:27,920 previous one. If you want us to do 9159 05:37:27,920 --> 05:37:29,040 anything on those signs, let us know. 9160 05:37:29,040 --> 05:37:30,080 Kaden, if you just go through really 9161 05:37:30,080 --> 05:37:31,680 quick. I think only a couple minutes. 9162 05:37:31,680 --> 05:37:33,360 Oh, this is just a fire break we made. 9163 05:37:33,360 --> 05:37:35,680 If you keep going around, um, so we did 9164 05:37:35,680 --> 05:37:39,440 a fire break this last weekend. That I was so proud of it. If you go 9165 05:37:39,440 --> 05:37:40,718 >> Is that on private property? 9166 05:37:40,718 --> 05:37:43,040 >> Yes, this is private property and it 9167 05:37:43,040 --> 05:37:45,760 gets a So, uh, yeah. Isn't that nice 9168 05:37:45,760 --> 05:37:47,120 though? Trucks can go. I almost killed 9169 05:37:47,120 --> 05:37:48,638 myself doing it. So, anyways, probably 9170 05:37:48,638 --> 05:37:49,840 wouldn't have been here if it would do 9171 05:37:49,840 --> 05:37:50,160 that. 9172 05:37:50,160 --> 05:37:52,718 >> Yeah, if you would have saw it. 9173 05:37:52,718 --> 05:37:55,280 >> It is mine, but um, you can keep going. 9174 05:37:55,280 --> 05:37:56,000 >> Sure. 9175 05:37:56,000 --> 05:37:57,760 >> Yeah, but it but it goes into other 9176 05:37:57,760 --> 05:37:59,120 people's too. We're we're kind of just 9177 05:37:59,120 --> 05:38:00,638 working on the east side. I didn't photo 9178 05:38:00,638 --> 05:38:02,320 there. Th this was just uh something 9179 05:38:02,320 --> 05:38:04,240 that people drive by and I I thought if 9180 05:38:04,240 --> 05:38:05,840 there's anything any eagle scout or 9181 05:38:05,840 --> 05:38:08,400 anything I I say we redo it, paint it. 9182 05:38:08,400 --> 05:38:12,080 >> This is uh the the Dry Creek um uh fence 9183 05:38:12,080 --> 05:38:14,000 area and I think it's just needing some 9184 05:38:14,000 --> 05:38:14,958 love. 9185 05:38:14,958 --> 05:38:18,080 >> Uh this is on 100 South. Is that right? 9186 05:38:18,080 --> 05:38:20,320 The Alto Bank Street. 9187 05:38:20,320 --> 05:38:22,638 >> And it just needs some love that uh that 9188 05:38:22,638 --> 05:38:26,080 um uh fence there. Um and I think it' 9189 05:38:26,080 --> 05:38:28,878 look nice painted alpine blue. Um sorry 9190 05:38:28,878 --> 05:38:31,120 I had to bring it up. Keep going. Um, 9191 05:38:31,120 --> 05:38:33,520 this is how wonderful y'all did at the 9192 05:38:33,520 --> 05:38:35,840 main street. You did such a great job 9193 05:38:35,840 --> 05:38:37,440 making it look so lovely. You put up 9194 05:38:37,440 --> 05:38:39,760 flags. Everyone was so impressed. If you 9195 05:38:39,760 --> 05:38:41,360 keep going to the next one, Kaden, 9196 05:38:41,360 --> 05:38:42,798 you'll see the Memorial Day that they 9197 05:38:42,798 --> 05:38:45,680 did, which was just phenomenal. I was so 9198 05:38:45,680 --> 05:38:48,400 impressed with uh how y'all handled the 9199 05:38:48,400 --> 05:38:52,080 cemetery. No, you'll go to the next um 9200 05:38:52,080 --> 05:38:54,240 the one through 9201 05:38:54,240 --> 05:38:57,680 uh like the 9202 05:38:57,680 --> 05:38:59,440 >> Okay, cool. 9203 05:38:59,440 --> 05:39:02,240 Yeah, it can be done if you want. Oh. 9204 05:39:02,240 --> 05:39:06,240 Uh, yeah. Any there's videos of um the 9205 05:39:06,240 --> 05:39:11,440 this you guys really you you I wish we 9206 05:39:11,440 --> 05:39:13,120 did this at the beginning of me. You did 9207 05:39:13,120 --> 05:39:15,920 phenomenal and everyone appreciated it 9208 05:39:15,920 --> 05:39:18,480 and it looked phenomenal and the work 9209 05:39:18,480 --> 05:39:20,160 paid off and we are so grateful. 9210 05:39:20,160 --> 05:39:21,840 >> Really quick, who puts those flags 9211 05:39:21,840 --> 05:39:23,680 there? Is that 9212 05:39:23,680 --> 05:39:24,878 >> okay? That's what I thought. the whole 9213 05:39:24,878 --> 05:39:26,320 thing. 9214 05:39:26,320 --> 05:39:27,680 >> Deianne coordinates. 9215 05:39:27,680 --> 05:39:28,718 >> Brit Jenkins, 9216 05:39:28,718 --> 05:39:31,360 >> the veterans and 9217 05:39:31,360 --> 05:39:33,440 >> Britt does this every year and she's 9218 05:39:33,440 --> 05:39:36,638 amazing. Do we have Jessica online or 9219 05:39:36,638 --> 05:39:37,440 did she drop? 9220 05:39:37,440 --> 05:39:40,718 >> I She called me um and I texted her back 9221 05:39:40,718 --> 05:39:42,798 and she hasn't answered. So, I think she 9222 05:39:42,798 --> 05:39:44,080 dropped and was letting me know. 9223 05:39:44,080 --> 05:39:46,958 >> She's done. [laughter] 9224 05:39:46,958 --> 05:39:47,520 >> Yeah, 9225 05:39:47,520 --> 05:39:48,400 >> I don't think. 9226 05:39:48,400 --> 05:39:50,638 >> Okay. Um with that done, I will 9227 05:39:50,638 --> 05:39:54,080 entertain a motion to adjurnn. Before we 9228 05:39:54,080 --> 05:39:56,480 make the motion, I forgot I looked back 9229 05:39:56,480 --> 05:39:58,160 in my life, but I forgot to look 9230 05:39:58,160 --> 05:39:59,760 forward. We have our finance committee 9231 05:39:59,760 --> 05:40:01,680 meeting 8 am on Thursday in the 9232 05:40:01,680 --> 05:40:04,798 conference room. We have a guest from uh 9233 05:40:04,798 --> 05:40:07,120 the tax commission coming talking about 9234 05:40:07,120 --> 05:40:09,680 sales tax and she will be joining us via 9235 05:40:09,680 --> 05:40:15,120 Zoom and um so it'll be intriguing. 9236 05:40:15,120 --> 05:40:19,200 >> Yay. Okay. Motion. 9237 05:40:19,200 --> 05:40:20,400 >> I move to adjurnn. 9238 05:40:20,400 --> 05:40:23,040 >> Is there a second? I'll second. All in 9239 05:40:23,040 --> 05:40:23,680 favor? 9240 05:40:23,680 --> 05:40:29,590 >> I I 9241 05:40:29,600 --> 05:40:32,878 Those are good. I like going to those. I tried to come. I haven't been able to 9242 05:40:32,878 --> 05:40:36,878 go to them anymore. The light.