1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:01,199 Thank you, Kaden. Like to welcome 2 00:00:01,199 --> 00:00:03,120 everybody out here to the uh planning 3 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:04,799 commission meeting being held this 4 00:00:04,799 --> 00:00:08,800 Tuesday, June 2nd, 2026, 6 pm uh live 5 00:00:08,800 --> 00:00:10,719 here at city hall, 20 North Main Street, 6 00:00:10,719 --> 00:00:13,280 Alpine, Utah. Uh let the record reflect 7 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:16,000 that the meeting has been duly and 8 00:00:16,000 --> 00:00:18,480 legally noticed. 9 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:21,600 I'd like to um first recognize from the 10 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,760 city that we've got with us Marla Fox, 11 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:26,720 Heidi Smith. I think I saw Heidi. 12 00:00:26,720 --> 00:00:27,680 >> Not here right now. 13 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:29,760 >> Okay. But but maybe back. 14 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,480 >> Okay. Uh Kaden Lions and I think we have 15 00:00:32,480 --> 00:00:35,680 Jason Jud via Zoom. Correct. 16 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:37,360 >> Jason has not joined yet. 17 00:00:37,360 --> 00:00:40,239 >> All right. Plans on on joining. And then 18 00:00:40,239 --> 00:00:42,640 uh uh from planning commission we have 19 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:45,440 Troy Slade, Michelle Shurmer, myself, 20 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:49,039 Alan McDonald, Suz Wittenberg, and we 21 00:00:49,039 --> 00:00:52,079 have John McCay on Zoom I believe. 22 00:00:52,079 --> 00:00:52,480 >> Yes. 23 00:00:52,480 --> 00:00:54,960 >> Okay. And perhaps he'll uh get here and 24 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:57,360 join us live. Uh, and we would excuse 25 00:00:57,360 --> 00:00:59,680 from the meeting uh, commission members 26 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:04,239 Greg Butterfield and Jeff Davis. 27 00:01:04,239 --> 00:01:06,159 Um, all right. Thank you to everybody 28 00:01:06,159 --> 00:01:08,320 for attending. So, uh, let's please 29 00:01:08,320 --> 00:01:10,560 start with a prayer which will be 30 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:13,280 offered by Suz Wittenberg followed by 31 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:15,439 the pledge of allegiance led by Oh, John 32 00:01:15,439 --> 00:01:18,080 McCay is not here. Perhaps uh, Troy 33 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,200 Slade, you could handle that. Thank you. 34 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:23,040 Our Father in heaven, as we gather this 35 00:01:23,040 --> 00:01:25,280 evening, we're so grateful for this 36 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:27,759 opportunity we have to be here as as 37 00:01:27,759 --> 00:01:29,920 citizens of this great city. We're so 38 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:31,920 grateful for this time of year as it's 39 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:35,119 rolling into this 250 years of 40 00:01:35,119 --> 00:01:37,119 celebration of our great country. We're 41 00:01:37,119 --> 00:01:39,280 grateful for those that have gone before 42 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,280 us and have made our lives so much more 43 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,119 enjoyable. We pray that we might add to 44 00:01:45,119 --> 00:01:48,479 that spirit of of citizenry and how we 45 00:01:48,479 --> 00:01:50,560 treat each other and as we make these 46 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,600 different plans and ordinances together 47 00:01:53,600 --> 00:01:56,640 that we can be very fair-minded and be 48 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:58,960 very mindful of the stewardship we have 49 00:01:58,960 --> 00:02:01,119 as we serve this great city. We're 50 00:02:01,119 --> 00:02:02,560 grateful for all of our blessings, 51 00:02:02,560 --> 00:02:04,159 Father, and we pray that we can continue 52 00:02:04,159 --> 00:02:06,159 to try to be better people and to better 53 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:08,319 be better neighbors. And we ask for thy 54 00:02:08,319 --> 00:02:09,679 spirit tonight. And we say this in the 55 00:02:09,679 --> 00:02:11,360 name of Jesus Christ. Amen. 56 00:02:11,360 --> 00:02:14,080 >> Amen. Okay, please stand and join me in 57 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,000 the pledge. 58 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:19,200 >> I pledge allegiance to the flag of the 59 00:02:19,200 --> 00:02:21,920 United States of America and to the 60 00:02:21,920 --> 00:02:25,040 republic for which it stands, one nation 61 00:02:25,040 --> 00:02:28,319 under God, indivisible, with liberty and 62 00:02:28,319 --> 00:02:31,120 justice for all. 63 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:32,879 >> Okay. Uh before we get started, I just 64 00:02:32,879 --> 00:02:35,760 want to make one quick uh note or 65 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,000 comment to the planning commission 66 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,720 members uh that there was a comment made 67 00:02:40,720 --> 00:02:43,440 in city council. Uh I was there this 68 00:02:43,440 --> 00:02:45,840 past week or I guess a week ago. Was it 69 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,239 a week? I guess it was a week ago. Um 70 00:02:48,239 --> 00:02:50,160 discussing some of the fire station 71 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,959 issues and and the motion and discussion 72 00:02:52,959 --> 00:02:54,080 that had been made in planning 73 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:55,760 commission. But anyway, a couple of the 74 00:02:55,760 --> 00:02:58,319 city council members just mentioned that 75 00:02:58,319 --> 00:02:59,840 when they go back and listen to the 76 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,760 recordings, they can't always hear uh 77 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:05,680 what members of the planning commission 78 00:03:05,680 --> 00:03:08,480 say because sometimes we are kind of 79 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:12,000 talking over each other and sometimes uh 80 00:03:12,000 --> 00:03:15,280 and and sometimes we don't have our mics 81 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:18,159 on and we aren't talking into our 82 00:03:18,159 --> 00:03:19,760 microphones. So, let's just remember 83 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:21,440 that we've got these microphones and 84 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:23,360 they're here for a reason. So, let's use 85 00:03:23,360 --> 00:03:24,560 them. 86 00:03:24,560 --> 00:03:27,200 then it'll even pick up a whisper. All 87 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:29,840 right, with that, uh let's go ahead and 88 00:03:29,840 --> 00:03:32,239 start with just the one and only uh 89 00:03:32,239 --> 00:03:34,480 action item that we've got on our agenda 90 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:38,879 tonight, uh which is a review of 5.12 91 00:03:38,879 --> 00:03:41,040 commercial site plan. Kaden, can you 92 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,720 introduce that for us? 93 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:43,840 >> Most definitely. Thank you, 94 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:45,680 commissioners. 95 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:47,840 So, I'm glad the applicant is here with 96 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,000 us as well. So, yeah, just to present 97 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,280 this item. Uh this is for a a new 98 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,799 commercial site plan for the site at 170 99 00:03:56,799 --> 00:04:00,319 South Main Street. Um this is for a new 100 00:04:00,319 --> 00:04:01,920 warehouse addition and parking lot for 101 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:05,040 the 512 Foundation, which is a nonprofit 102 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:06,720 organization geared to helping feed 103 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:09,760 children. Uh there's a lot of elementary 104 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,519 school kids going hungry on the weekends 105 00:04:11,519 --> 00:04:13,920 and so their goal is to provide them 106 00:04:13,920 --> 00:04:15,680 with with backpacks full of food for 107 00:04:15,680 --> 00:04:19,280 those for those weekends. And this new 108 00:04:19,280 --> 00:04:21,199 warehouse will increase the foundation's 109 00:04:21,199 --> 00:04:23,919 capacity to reach more children. 110 00:04:23,919 --> 00:04:27,759 Um the design uh proposed incorporates 111 00:04:27,759 --> 00:04:29,120 modern elements as well as other 112 00:04:29,120 --> 00:04:31,520 materials. The applicant has provided a 113 00:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,440 site plan that overall meets the code 114 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,040 requirements for the business commercial 115 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,680 zone and the gateway historic zone. A 116 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:39,199 few things staff noticed. There might be 117 00:04:39,199 --> 00:04:40,960 some need to adjust the materials from 118 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,720 any non-conforming materials to the 119 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:44,160 materials that are permitted in the 120 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,960 gateway historic design guidelines. And 121 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:49,440 it's also important to note that the 122 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:51,120 applicant meet the landscaping 123 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:52,880 requirements for the BC zone which 124 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,280 requires 20% of the site be improved 125 00:04:55,280 --> 00:04:59,919 landscaping. Um in the code 407, 408, 126 00:04:59,919 --> 00:05:02,560 and 410 have been evaluated and affirmed 127 00:05:02,560 --> 00:05:05,120 compliance. So, I guess I'll just scroll 128 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:07,440 down now and 129 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:11,590 show the first elevation 130 00:05:11,600 --> 00:05:15,759 or rendering better said of the site. 131 00:05:15,759 --> 00:05:17,039 And we'll obviously look at this again. 132 00:05:17,039 --> 00:05:18,240 I just thought it'd be good to look at 133 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,629 it really quick 134 00:05:22,639 --> 00:05:25,840 and going back here. 135 00:05:25,840 --> 00:05:30,550 So, 136 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,080 um, the staff recommends that the 137 00:05:32,080 --> 00:05:33,919 planning commission consider sending a 138 00:05:33,919 --> 00:05:35,120 positive recommendation to the city 139 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:36,639 council for the proposed site plan for 140 00:05:36,639 --> 00:05:39,440 the new 512 commercial building or 141 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:41,840 addition at 170 South Main Street, 142 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:43,199 subject to the condition that all 143 00:05:43,199 --> 00:05:44,960 exterior materials of the building match 144 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:46,320 what is permitted in the gateway 145 00:05:46,320 --> 00:05:48,240 historic design guidelines and that 20% 146 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:51,759 of the site be improved landscaping. 147 00:05:51,759 --> 00:05:55,759 So, I think that's all I really have to present on this. I'm sure you've 148 00:05:55,759 --> 00:05:57,360 looked through this in the packet and 149 00:05:57,360 --> 00:05:59,840 have some comments and questions. Um, 150 00:05:59,840 --> 00:06:02,080 and the applicant is here. Uh, if you 151 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:03,440 would like to ask them any questions as 152 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:04,880 well, but I I'll open it up for 153 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:06,800 discussion or send it back to you, I 154 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:07,919 should say. Alan. 155 00:06:07,919 --> 00:06:10,560 >> Uh, yeah. Um, thank you, Kaden. No, good 156 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,919 introduction. Appreciate that. Um, and I 157 00:06:13,919 --> 00:06:17,520 am aware of the the charitable 158 00:06:17,520 --> 00:06:22,080 activities um of of the group, you know, 159 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,000 Nick Greer and and crew, and it is 160 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:27,039 amazing, you know, what they do. Um, 161 00:06:27,039 --> 00:06:30,880 with respect to the building, 162 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,160 I do I do have some questions that you 163 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:37,520 can just perhaps clarify because I did 164 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,440 note in your staff recommendation, 165 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:42,880 Caden, that the city indicates that uh 166 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:44,800 the the planning commission considers 167 00:06:44,800 --> 00:06:47,600 sending a positive recommendation 168 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:49,680 uh subject to the condition that all 169 00:06:49,680 --> 00:06:51,840 exterior materials of the building match 170 00:06:51,840 --> 00:06:53,199 what is permitted in the gateway 171 00:06:53,199 --> 00:06:55,039 historic design guidelines. 172 00:06:55,039 --> 00:06:57,360 And um I will have a question for you 173 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,479 just I want to just confirm the off- 174 00:07:00,479 --> 00:07:02,639 streetet parking you know situation and 175 00:07:02,639 --> 00:07:06,560 understand what that pad is. But um 176 00:07:06,560 --> 00:07:09,120 before we get to that, 177 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,759 uh can you go 178 00:07:11,759 --> 00:07:17,680 Kaden and pull up what is I think the first couple of renderings of of the 179 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,880 elevations. And I think these are both 180 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:24,400 the eastern face, right? One kind of 181 00:07:24,400 --> 00:07:26,800 looking at it a little bit south and one 182 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,080 a little bit north, but these are both 183 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,039 the east east elevation. 184 00:07:31,039 --> 00:07:34,000 >> What? So, I see m I see materials that 185 00:07:34,000 --> 00:07:36,800 are 186 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,160 Sorry, I'm looking on my computer at the 187 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,960 same time as you. I see materials that for example to the left here, 188 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,800 there's the the two small windows and 189 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,240 there's a a dark material. I see 190 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:49,840 concrete 191 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,639 and then moving kind of left to right on 192 00:07:52,639 --> 00:07:54,319 the building. 193 00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:56,800 There's some white trim work around 194 00:07:56,800 --> 00:07:59,759 those windows. I'm wondering what you 195 00:07:59,759 --> 00:08:02,800 know what materials that exactly is. And 196 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,280 then I see some of the brown. Looks like 197 00:08:05,280 --> 00:08:08,319 there's either wood or some wood 198 00:08:08,319 --> 00:08:10,400 simulation. I just I'm just wondering 199 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:13,840 what what are the various materials that 200 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:15,919 we're looking at. 201 00:08:15,919 --> 00:08:17,440 >> Thanks for that question. I'll just pull 202 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:19,759 up the the elevations on this slide 203 00:08:19,759 --> 00:08:24,710 here. 204 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,199 So the 205 00:08:27,199 --> 00:08:28,960 kind of gray or white looking material 206 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:31,280 we just saw on the rendering here on the 207 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:32,800 elevation right here on the east 208 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,519 elevation we can see is called cement 209 00:08:35,519 --> 00:08:39,039 fiber sighting which is painted. 210 00:08:39,039 --> 00:08:42,800 We have a synthetic wood plank, 211 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,760 a standing seam metal roof for all this 212 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,640 dark black material here, 213 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:51,279 and then over here, a cement fiber 214 00:08:51,279 --> 00:08:53,279 sighting, which is painted. So, the same 215 00:08:53,279 --> 00:08:55,600 as as this, but just a different style. 216 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,320 It looks like a little bit. 217 00:08:58,320 --> 00:09:01,519 Um, and then synthetic wood panel here. 218 00:09:01,519 --> 00:09:02,959 And then the whole bottom base looks 219 00:09:02,959 --> 00:09:08,389 like it is stucco. 220 00:09:08,399 --> 00:09:11,920 Is it stuckle or is it cement? I did 221 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:13,680 because well the one the the actually 222 00:09:13,680 --> 00:09:15,920 the realistic picture looks like cement 223 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,080 or something. 224 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:19,760 >> Let's go back to that and yeah maybe the 225 00:09:19,760 --> 00:09:23,680 applicant eventually can clarify that. 226 00:09:23,680 --> 00:09:24,800 >> Yeah. 227 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,959 >> So from what I understand this is stucco 228 00:09:28,959 --> 00:09:30,480 >> although I can see what you're saying 229 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:32,640 Troy or Commissioner Slate that looks 230 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:37,120 like a cement material. 231 00:09:37,120 --> 00:09:38,720 Let's go to the next picture as well, 232 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,550 just to see. 233 00:09:42,560 --> 00:09:43,760 Yeah, from what I understand, this 234 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,560 bottom base is stucco, but potentially 235 00:09:46,560 --> 00:09:48,959 the applicant can clarify when they when 236 00:09:48,959 --> 00:09:49,839 they discuss. 237 00:09:49,839 --> 00:09:52,240 >> Okay. Yeah. And with the applicant here, 238 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:53,600 perhaps we can just ask them if they 239 00:09:53,600 --> 00:09:56,640 brought any of these uh materials in a 240 00:09:56,640 --> 00:10:01,839 sample that we could take a look at, but we'll um Yeah. And just a second. 241 00:10:01,839 --> 00:10:02,880 Just just a couple other quick 242 00:10:02,880 --> 00:10:04,399 questions. All right. We'll we'll come 243 00:10:04,399 --> 00:10:08,399 back to those materials then. Um, 244 00:10:08,399 --> 00:10:12,160 can you please go Kaden to the 245 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:17,760 uh just maybe it was the landscape. Um, 246 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:19,519 and I I just wanted to confirm, you 247 00:10:19,519 --> 00:10:21,200 know, you and I had a discussion about 248 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:24,000 the off- streetet parking ordinance, and 249 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,880 this one's just a little it's a little 250 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:28,399 odd, 251 00:10:28,399 --> 00:10:30,000 at least a little different than what we 252 00:10:30,000 --> 00:10:33,279 usually do because, if I understand, 253 00:10:33,279 --> 00:10:36,079 this is an addition to the existing 254 00:10:36,079 --> 00:10:39,360 warehouse that sits on First West, 100 255 00:10:39,360 --> 00:10:40,240 West, right? 256 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:42,399 >> That's correct. and they're adding to 257 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:46,560 that and that addition is uh being done 258 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:49,040 with parking on a parcel that fronts 259 00:10:49,040 --> 00:10:51,600 Main Street. So that brings obviously 260 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:53,279 Main Street and the Gateway Historic 261 00:10:53,279 --> 00:10:57,279 District guidelines into play. Um just a 262 00:10:57,279 --> 00:10:59,519 quick question and then you know we can 263 00:10:59,519 --> 00:11:02,079 understand the the landscape uh plan in 264 00:11:02,079 --> 00:11:04,480 a minute here but 265 00:11:04,480 --> 00:11:06,640 this 266 00:11:06,640 --> 00:11:10,480 up in the the norththeast 267 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,560 corner let's see future building 268 00:11:12,560 --> 00:11:15,600 location native grass reveation seed mix 269 00:11:15,600 --> 00:11:18,240 to be provided to all disturbed areas 270 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:19,680 this location is future building 271 00:11:19,680 --> 00:11:25,839 construction. So, do we understand that that there's more or less a a 272 00:11:25,839 --> 00:11:29,600 building pad up there in that northwest 273 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:31,839 northeast corner, sorry, along Main 274 00:11:31,839 --> 00:11:37,279 Street where a future office building is 275 00:11:37,279 --> 00:11:40,399 proposed or intended to be constructed 276 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:41,360 >> some undetermined time. 277 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:43,360 >> That is the city's understanding. Yes. 278 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:44,880 >> Okay. 279 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,550 Um 280 00:11:48,560 --> 00:11:51,519 the the parking does not encroach into 281 00:11:51,519 --> 00:11:52,720 the setback. 282 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,480 >> It does not according to the business 283 00:11:54,480 --> 00:11:55,440 commercial zone. 284 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:55,760 >> Yeah. 285 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:59,440 >> So there's no exception required like 286 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:02,240 we've seen from time to time in other 287 00:12:02,240 --> 00:12:04,160 commercial buildings. It's just an odd 288 00:12:04,160 --> 00:12:07,440 one then be so we will I mean the the 289 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,680 parking the park the parking lot and the 290 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:14,880 cars will be visible from Main Street. 291 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,680 It just happens to be an oddity of this 292 00:12:17,680 --> 00:12:21,040 particular project that 293 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,839 the building there's a building pad but 294 00:12:23,839 --> 00:12:25,920 not a building currently proposed to be 295 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:28,320 built. But otherwise there's no issue 296 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:29,839 that we need to look at as far as off- 297 00:12:29,839 --> 00:12:31,200 streetet parking. I just want to confirm 298 00:12:31,200 --> 00:12:32,320 that. 299 00:12:32,320 --> 00:12:34,959 >> Yeah. From from our review, there was no 300 00:12:34,959 --> 00:12:36,800 uh there was no issue. In fact, it's 301 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:38,560 obviously much more parking than is 302 00:12:38,560 --> 00:12:40,560 needed for this building currently 303 00:12:40,560 --> 00:12:43,440 >> with a future anticipation. But yeah. 304 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:44,959 >> Okay. 305 00:12:44,959 --> 00:12:46,000 >> All right. Those are the only questions 306 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:49,040 that I think I had for Kaden. Uh anybody 307 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:52,480 else have questions for Kaden now before 308 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,720 perhaps we invite the applicant to the 309 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:57,440 podium? 310 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:00,079 If we 311 00:13:00,079 --> 00:13:02,800 if you were to I know you say there's 312 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:04,959 more than enough parking now, but if 313 00:13:04,959 --> 00:13:07,760 that future site became 314 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:10,720 a large building, would the parking 315 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,079 still stand and be fine? 316 00:13:14,079 --> 00:13:18,079 >> That's a good question, Commissioner. I feel like right now at this time, it's 317 00:13:18,079 --> 00:13:18,880 hard to say. 318 00:13:18,880 --> 00:13:19,680 >> I know. 319 00:13:19,680 --> 00:13:20,800 >> Depending on the building, 320 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:21,920 >> that's the problem. 321 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:27,200 >> Yeah. Is is this and is the 20% 322 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:29,040 landscaping 323 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,720 are we going to take the 20% 324 00:13:32,720 --> 00:13:35,519 on because we can't count that future 325 00:13:35,519 --> 00:13:39,600 pad as the 20% in my opinion the 20% 326 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,800 landscaping should be and should come 327 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:44,320 from 328 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:48,959 the current site minus that because if 329 00:13:48,959 --> 00:13:51,040 that got built with just a little strip 330 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:56,720 of of of vegetation, then when the whole 331 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:01,120 project is complete, it won't be 20%. 332 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:01,600 So 333 00:14:01,600 --> 00:14:03,120 >> that's a fair point. 334 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,040 >> So that's just one of my thoughts on 335 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:09,120 that parking and vegetation with our two 336 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:12,720 kind ordinances. So, if you took that 337 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:14,720 currently landscaped, what I'm just 338 00:14:14,720 --> 00:14:17,519 calling a future building pad out of the 339 00:14:17,519 --> 00:14:20,000 equation, 340 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,800 I mean, I I think Michelle makes a great 341 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:27,519 point. Is the landscape plan in 342 00:14:27,519 --> 00:14:29,600 compliance? 343 00:14:29,600 --> 00:14:31,839 >> From from my review, I don't think it 344 00:14:31,839 --> 00:14:36,240 currently meets the 20% requirement. Um, 345 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:41,760 but I I probably could try to do a more 346 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:43,600 robust calculation on that to see 347 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,360 exactly what percent they're at. I 348 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:46,560 haven't had the chance to do that right 349 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:48,079 now, but maybe the applicant can address 350 00:14:48,079 --> 00:14:49,120 that as well, 351 00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:51,199 >> you know, and I suppose that they're 352 00:14:51,199 --> 00:14:52,720 look, 353 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:54,480 remind me, is is it a 10 or 20 foot 354 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:56,480 setback off of Main Street? 355 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,120 >> It is a 15 for the front. 356 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:00,399 >> So, in other words, neither, 357 00:15:00,399 --> 00:15:01,040 >> right? 358 00:15:01,040 --> 00:15:04,000 >> I I bracketed it 15 foot. So if you took 359 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:05,920 for example Michelle I I mean I suppose 360 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:09,440 if you took 15 foot 15 feet of that 361 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:13,199 setback assumed it was landscaped and 362 00:15:13,199 --> 00:15:16,320 you took it down the length of that pad. 363 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,800 It's just I mean I think Michelle raises 364 00:15:18,800 --> 00:15:23,189 just a really good point which is 365 00:15:23,199 --> 00:15:27,199 wi with those assumptions in mind 366 00:15:27,199 --> 00:15:29,279 in the future 367 00:15:29,279 --> 00:15:32,160 will there I mean will this landscape 368 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:36,160 plan meet code 369 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:38,240 >> I'm sorry I didn't have someone else ask 370 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:38,560 me 371 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:39,920 >> I mean you you should probably answer 372 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:42,320 that not me but I just I mean wouldn't 373 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:43,839 we just approve it on what they're 374 00:15:43,839 --> 00:15:45,839 asking for now and then in the future 375 00:15:45,839 --> 00:15:48,560 Sure. It as long as they're aware like 376 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,880 look, you know, you might have to 377 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:52,399 totally change your plans because you're 378 00:15:52,399 --> 00:15:54,639 going to have to meet it. 379 00:15:54,639 --> 00:15:57,040 You know, I don't know. Is that our 380 00:15:57,040 --> 00:15:58,560 responsibility? 381 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,199 >> I think that's a good point. I think um 382 00:16:01,199 --> 00:16:02,959 yeah, basically it would just have to 383 00:16:02,959 --> 00:16:05,120 meet the code as is today. If there's 384 00:16:05,120 --> 00:16:08,240 20% landscaping on the site today, then 385 00:16:08,240 --> 00:16:10,160 it could be approved and it should be 386 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,480 approved for the landscaping part of it. 387 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:14,160 Um and then everything else can be dealt 388 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:15,440 with at a future date. I would agree 389 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:16,399 with that. 390 00:16:16,399 --> 00:16:18,079 >> I have a comment to your first point, 391 00:16:18,079 --> 00:16:19,839 Michelle. The accommodation of the 392 00:16:19,839 --> 00:16:22,320 parking is concerning to me. 393 00:16:22,320 --> 00:16:24,959 >> Back to the microphone because I it's 394 00:16:24,959 --> 00:16:26,399 just we just don't know what size 395 00:16:26,399 --> 00:16:28,639 building would we that seems like a lot. 396 00:16:28,639 --> 00:16:29,920 When I first wrote I was like, that's 397 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,320 ample parking for that. But down the 398 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,320 road, it's one thing to add some more 399 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:36,480 maybe some greenscaping, but are you 400 00:16:36,480 --> 00:16:39,199 going to put in a lot more a bigger 401 00:16:39,199 --> 00:16:40,160 >> Well, 402 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:41,040 >> parking area. 403 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,839 >> Yeah. I I mean, but but I I think you're 404 00:16:43,839 --> 00:16:46,880 right, but two things. 405 00:16:46,880 --> 00:16:48,240 Correct me if I'm wrong, Kane, but I 406 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:50,639 think there's is that 80. 407 00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:52,880 Does this does this plan call for 80 408 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,680 parking spaces? Is that how many it is? 409 00:16:55,680 --> 00:17:00,079 >> So, it's four for every,000 square feet. 410 00:17:00,079 --> 00:17:04,079 Um the building is 6,000 square feet. 411 00:17:04,079 --> 00:17:06,000 So 412 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:08,480 >> yeah, that would be like what do 24 413 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,559 parking spots, but this is as proposed 414 00:17:10,559 --> 00:17:11,280 it's 80, 415 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:11,520 >> right? 416 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:13,439 >> 88 I think is the right number. So I 417 00:17:13,439 --> 00:17:15,600 mean I think there's like like even if 418 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:17,039 you put a building in there, there's 419 00:17:17,039 --> 00:17:18,959 going to be plenty of parking. 420 00:17:18,959 --> 00:17:20,880 >> What is the size of the existing 421 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:23,039 building? 422 00:17:23,039 --> 00:17:27,839 >> I am not sure on that. I can't remember 423 00:17:27,839 --> 00:17:30,640 >> because it's on the plan here somewhere. 424 00:17:30,640 --> 00:17:33,039 the parking for that building is to 425 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:35,039 code. But I still think if you took that 426 00:17:35,039 --> 00:17:37,200 building and the existing building 427 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:39,200 because they only have like what nine or 428 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:44,880 10 spots and if it's so I just yeah it's 429 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:47,679 probably still fine but it should be 430 00:17:47,679 --> 00:17:50,160 based upon the two buildings now in 431 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:56,080 total square footage um not just the new 432 00:17:56,080 --> 00:17:57,360 >> That's a good point commissioner. Thank 433 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,919 you. 434 00:17:59,919 --> 00:18:02,960 >> I mean, can we do some mathing? Do we 435 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,280 have any idea? Um, perhaps the applicant 436 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:06,960 here knows what the current square 437 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,039 footage of the existing building is. 438 00:18:11,039 --> 00:18:12,480 Do we know that? Just to run a quick 439 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,400 calc on parking. 440 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,240 >> Say it's around 6,000 square feet. 441 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:17,200 >> Yeah, I was going to say it's not 442 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,480 gigantic. 443 00:18:18,480 --> 00:18:20,720 >> I'll tell you this. 444 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:21,919 >> You want me to come up? 445 00:18:21,919 --> 00:18:24,000 >> Oh, sure. Yeah. 446 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:26,880 and and just state your name and and um 447 00:18:26,880 --> 00:18:27,280 welcome. 448 00:18:27,280 --> 00:18:29,679 >> My name is JD Hiner with Silver Fox 449 00:18:29,679 --> 00:18:37,190 Construction. 450 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,840 » This isn't hooked to anything 451 00:18:39,840 --> 00:18:40,880 buttons. 452 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:43,600 >> Oh, I they should be on if you just talk 453 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:44,720 to There we go. 454 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:45,360 >> There we go. 455 00:18:45,360 --> 00:18:45,919 >> All right. Um 456 00:18:45,919 --> 00:18:47,200 >> and I'm sorry, it was JD. 457 00:18:47,200 --> 00:18:50,960 >> JD. Yeah. Okay. Uh naturally as we look 458 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:54,960 to um even the future plan and future 459 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:58,080 phase, we built into this analysis what 460 00:18:58,080 --> 00:19:00,240 we anticipate a building like that being 461 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:01,760 sized at. 462 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:03,919 >> Um with that sizing, we built all the 463 00:19:03,919 --> 00:19:05,679 parking off that and there was ample 464 00:19:05,679 --> 00:19:07,360 parking even with the existing building, 465 00:19:07,360 --> 00:19:09,840 the addition and a new new building. In 466 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:11,280 fact, we had some communication before 467 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,440 Kaden came um with um 468 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:18,000 >> not well Ryan as well, but who is the 469 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:19,919 other gentleman we met? Shane. 470 00:19:19,919 --> 00:19:20,480 >> Jason. 471 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:21,440 >> Shane. 472 00:19:21,440 --> 00:19:23,520 >> Um Shane as well around parking 473 00:19:23,520 --> 00:19:25,039 requirements. It's a little ambiguous 474 00:19:25,039 --> 00:19:27,520 actually for this use as well. Given 475 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,720 it's not office, it's it's warehouse, 476 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:32,799 but it doesn't house employees. And so 477 00:19:32,799 --> 00:19:33,840 we we talked through a lot of 478 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,200 >> it does it now, but in the future it 479 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:35,760 always could. 480 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:37,039 >> It always could. Yeah. And I'm not 481 00:19:37,039 --> 00:19:38,320 saying that, you know, that would 482 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:39,760 dictate other than to say, you know, 483 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:40,960 there was a lot of conversation around 484 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,600 the use, a lot of conversation around 485 00:19:43,600 --> 00:19:46,400 the the zoning requirements kind of not, 486 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,640 you know, really defining defining it 487 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,880 well and and we took a route of just 488 00:19:50,880 --> 00:19:53,120 making sure there's ample for both the 489 00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:54,240 current use and future use. 490 00:19:54,240 --> 00:19:56,000 >> Yeah, JD, that would be my question. So, 491 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:57,760 I've been there a lot when Yeah. at 492 00:19:57,760 --> 00:19:59,840 night with groups and it's hard to find 493 00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:01,440 parking. So, I'm assuming you're going 494 00:20:01,440 --> 00:20:03,600 to somehow connect the existing 495 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,600 warehouse. You don't that's coming off 496 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:08,000 of First West, right? You park along 497 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,080 there and then would you just somehow 498 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:11,440 they'll be able to park? I know that 499 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:13,520 that's opened up a little bit already, 500 00:20:13,520 --> 00:20:15,039 but there's got to be a way to get that 501 00:20:15,039 --> 00:20:20,559 access right from the entrance of the first house, the current warehouse. 502 00:20:20,559 --> 00:20:22,160 >> Yeah, there's entrances now on both 503 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,080 sides. Um, obviously with the temporary 504 00:20:26,080 --> 00:20:28,240 parking lot they put there. Um, there's 505 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:30,320 ample parking now as well. You know, 506 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:32,159 most I think I think on, 507 00:20:32,159 --> 00:20:33,840 >> you know, peak type night, they probably 508 00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:36,880 have 70 or so volunteers. Most of them 509 00:20:36,880 --> 00:20:38,960 come in suburbans and a group of about 510 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:40,960 seven. And so there certainly certainly 511 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:42,480 before that asphalt was laid, parking 512 00:20:42,480 --> 00:20:43,919 may have been a bigger issue, but 513 00:20:43,919 --> 00:20:45,520 parking is not an issue now. 514 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:46,880 >> But there's access to get into 515 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:48,640 >> and there is access on both sides. Yeah. 516 00:20:48,640 --> 00:20:51,520 And I think Suz that main access in the 517 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:53,120 future once this building is finished 518 00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:55,520 will be off of Main Street and we'll be 519 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:57,120 on the east side 520 00:20:57,120 --> 00:20:59,039 >> because Yeah, because there's just Yeah, 521 00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:01,760 exactly. So, but so all right. So, 522 00:21:01,760 --> 00:21:04,480 Kaden, if we just assumed I mean I don't 523 00:21:04,480 --> 00:21:05,760 know if you had a chance to run the 524 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:09,280 math, but if we just assumed that the addition is 6,000 ft, the existing 525 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,080 building is 6,000 ft. I mean, even give 526 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,880 it seven or eight and and you run your 527 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,640 math. What's the um what's the required 528 00:21:18,640 --> 00:21:20,480 parking? I'm just going to assume it's 529 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,480 going to come in much less than 88. 530 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,120 >> Yeah, I think it's that'd be 48 if my 531 00:21:25,120 --> 00:21:26,240 math brain is working. 532 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:27,679 >> All right. And and then I think to 533 00:21:27,679 --> 00:21:30,320 Troy's point, I mean, don't know what's 534 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:31,760 going to happen in the future with that, 535 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:34,640 but whatever happens in the future will 536 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:39,360 be subject to um the landscape requiring 537 00:21:39,360 --> 00:21:42,480 percentage and will also be subject to 538 00:21:42,480 --> 00:21:44,640 uh you know the parking. So the size of 539 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:47,360 that building is going to be um somewhat 540 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:52,080 determined by the by compliance with um 541 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,679 landscape requirements and parking 542 00:21:53,679 --> 00:21:55,440 requirements. But I don't think it's 543 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:58,720 anything that that we can necessarily um 544 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:00,240 look at today other than just what's in 545 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,000 front of us. So that future building, 546 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,159 whatever the plan is for that pad in 547 00:22:04,159 --> 00:22:05,520 that future building, we'll just have to 548 00:22:05,520 --> 00:22:08,000 comply at that point with um those 549 00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:08,799 ordinances. 550 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:11,360 >> That's I think that's right. 551 00:22:11,360 --> 00:22:12,320 >> Okay. 552 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,400 >> Um 553 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,440 uh John, welcome. You were you were hit 554 00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,840 you were breaking a few laws trying you 555 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:20,080 know. 556 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,880 >> Well, don't actually 15 gets shut down 557 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:24,880 in both directions. Oh jeez, that's 558 00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:26,320 going to come up tomorrow. 559 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:27,679 >> Wow, that's crazy. 560 00:22:27,679 --> 00:22:29,039 >> Well, welcome John. Um, 561 00:22:29,039 --> 00:22:31,120 >> I'll also note that Jason joined the 562 00:22:31,120 --> 00:22:31,840 Zoom call. 563 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:36,240 >> Welcome Jason. Um, okay. So, John, I 564 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:37,919 think you were listening on Zoom and 565 00:22:37,919 --> 00:22:38,880 don't know if there's anything you need 566 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:40,720 to be up to speed on before we keep 567 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:41,120 rolling. 568 00:22:41,120 --> 00:22:45,510 >> I have one general question. Um, 569 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,080 are these is this one lot or is this are 570 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:49,520 these two lots that we're putting a 571 00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,760 building across? 572 00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:56,799 >> It's one lot. Okay. Yeah, very good. 573 00:22:56,799 --> 00:22:59,360 >> That was really my question. 574 00:22:59,360 --> 00:23:01,280 >> Usually you have a building. Oh, sorry. 575 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:02,320 >> No, no, you you go. 576 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,240 >> No, no, you go. 577 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:08,159 >> Okay. All right. Um, so the view I was 578 00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:09,360 going to talk about the view. Do you 579 00:23:09,360 --> 00:23:11,200 have something before I shift gears? 580 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:13,840 >> Well, it's just usually you would have a 581 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,919 building on Main Street that would hide 582 00:23:15,919 --> 00:23:18,720 the parking lot behind it so that the 583 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,520 street front has a beautiful Main Street 584 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:24,320 view. The problem with this plan is 585 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,240 because that office building is in the 586 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:28,480 future that would finish the main street 587 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,000 view as you walk down. Then all we see 588 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:37,280 is the parking lot. So, can we flip or 589 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,559 require that landscaping to be the 590 00:23:40,559 --> 00:23:44,480 buffer so that we don't just see parking 591 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,640 lot because right now 592 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,000 this building may not go in for 5 10 593 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:56,799 years. We don't know. And so I I guess 594 00:23:56,799 --> 00:24:00,159 that's my struggle is that it's 595 00:24:00,159 --> 00:24:01,760 open parking lot. Are you thinking to 596 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,240 require uh some additional landscaping 597 00:24:06,240 --> 00:24:09,200 along in that pad to perhaps be for 598 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:10,799 example 599 00:24:10,799 --> 00:24:12,400 couple trees even though maybe later 600 00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:14,480 they'll be taken down or a hedge or 601 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,080 >> well there's already 602 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:18,320 >> or a or a wall or 603 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:20,080 >> there's already vegetation that's going 604 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:22,320 to be removed when they combine this 605 00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:23,840 building because there's beautiful 606 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:26,640 vegetation on the east side of their 607 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,960 existing building that's going to have 608 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,640 to come down to com I just think that 609 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:38,480 this our view of the city's view is of 610 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:40,799 an entrance that will probably be used 611 00:24:40,799 --> 00:24:42,720 by the semi-truckss. Is that where 612 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:44,080 they're going to start flipping and 613 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,320 using that entrance? They going to use 614 00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:47,840 the main street entrance or are they 615 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:49,520 going to continue their first west 616 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:49,919 entrance? 617 00:24:49,919 --> 00:24:51,360 >> Yeah, so we don't typically have semi 618 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:53,120 trucks coming in. We do have some box 619 00:24:53,120 --> 00:24:55,440 >> box trucks. Um, you know, the 620 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,240 alternative is what we have now, which 621 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,240 is a parking lot and an existing 622 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,520 building. So, you are going to get a 623 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:03,520 much nicer looking building with much 624 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,720 nicer looking landscaping. Um, the 625 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:08,720 challenge is we can't put 512 out on the 626 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:10,960 street right now because there's some, 627 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,679 you know, process and in, you know, 628 00:25:13,679 --> 00:25:15,200 warehousing and whatnot. You can't have 629 00:25:15,200 --> 00:25:17,760 two buildings. And I think ultimately, 630 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:19,200 if you've seen any of the projects Nick 631 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:21,120 Greer has been involved in, he does 632 00:25:21,120 --> 00:25:23,039 intend to put a family office there. And 633 00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:24,240 I suspect it's going to look really 634 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:26,880 nice. So, in the meantime, it'll look 635 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:29,600 better than it does today 636 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:31,200 and it'll actually look really good. 637 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:34,159 >> Yeah. So, Michelle, I mean, I mean, I I 638 00:25:34,159 --> 00:25:35,679 had those same thoughts and I discussed 639 00:25:35,679 --> 00:25:37,440 them with Kaden beforehand and then 640 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,520 reviewed the off- streetet parking and 641 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,919 I'm very I mean, I'm totally agree with 642 00:25:43,919 --> 00:25:47,919 your comment. I'm just not sure that our 643 00:25:47,919 --> 00:25:52,320 ordin I mean as as proposed 644 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:55,200 the project 645 00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:56,799 checks all the boxes on the off- 646 00:25:56,799 --> 00:26:00,400 streetet parking. Um I guess I can just 647 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:01,840 think of a couple of sit, you know, a 648 00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,840 couple of situations like the bank has a 649 00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:07,360 few parking spots that are, you know, 650 00:26:07,360 --> 00:26:11,039 they're right on Main Street. Um 651 00:26:11,039 --> 00:26:13,760 so does the city center. So does the 652 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,919 gold and silver building across the way. 653 00:26:15,919 --> 00:26:19,039 I mean, at some point, you know, again, 654 00:26:19,039 --> 00:26:22,640 I I don't know what Nick's timing is. It 655 00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:23,679 sounds like he's thinking about putting 656 00:26:23,679 --> 00:26:26,480 a, you know, Greer Enterprises. Pretty 657 00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,480 soon he'll, you know, pretty much he and 658 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:31,120 Elon will run the planet. But, um, but 659 00:26:31,120 --> 00:26:32,480 it sounds like at some point there may 660 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,440 be a a Greer family office there. I 661 00:26:35,440 --> 00:26:37,760 don't know a timeline on that. I just 662 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,799 don't know that the that what you're 663 00:26:40,799 --> 00:26:43,679 saying is 664 00:26:43,679 --> 00:26:46,320 in in the code. 665 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,640 >> Um yeah. Is the is the ballard and the 666 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:52,720 lock chain always going to be there or 667 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,400 will that be removed? 668 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,559 >> Well, if if the school keeps parking 669 00:26:56,559 --> 00:26:58,320 over there, it makes you it makes it a 670 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,000 challenge on Wednesday nights when they 671 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,799 need to use it for their uses. So, you 672 00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:05,440 know, I I don't know. That'll be up to 673 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,960 the Greer family whether they want to 674 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,279 keep that there once 512's this 675 00:27:09,279 --> 00:27:10,960 addition's been done, but it has been a 676 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:13,279 challenge um for them when people are 677 00:27:13,279 --> 00:27:14,640 pulling up to do their work on a 678 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:15,919 Wednesday night and the parking lots 679 00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:17,919 filled due to a school activity. So, I 680 00:27:17,919 --> 00:27:19,679 anticipate yes, it will stay there for 681 00:27:19,679 --> 00:27:20,799 at least for now. 682 00:27:20,799 --> 00:27:24,880 >> Okay. Um Okay. While we have JD, um do 683 00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:27,200 we have I want to have a chat with him 684 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:29,760 about materials. 685 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,520 >> Yes. Yeah. Let's not move to that. Let's 686 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,200 get all the other questions done first. 687 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:38,480 Yeah, I'm sorry. Go ahead. So, the term 688 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:42,880 you're using is reveation seed. Is that 689 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,760 be kind of like a an erosion barrier 690 00:27:45,760 --> 00:27:49,039 kind of a application or is that actual 691 00:27:49,039 --> 00:27:50,320 formal landscaping? 692 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:52,240 >> Yeah, I wouldn't say it's a it's it's 693 00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,240 what you're looking at there now today. 694 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,200 Um it'll you know, we don't want a mud bog there. 695 00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:57,600 >> Yeah. 696 00:27:57,600 --> 00:28:00,080 >> And tire tracks and all the things. So, 697 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:01,679 we'll seat over that. So there's 698 00:28:01,679 --> 00:28:04,159 vegetation and you know the Greer family 699 00:28:04,159 --> 00:28:05,440 I'm sure will maintain that so it 700 00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:06,799 doesn't become an ugly field. They don't 701 00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:09,039 want that. They they they want you know 702 00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:10,640 when you pull into their facility to 703 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:12,799 look nice. Uh so there'll be a level of 704 00:28:12,799 --> 00:28:14,720 maintenance done there and and but it's 705 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:16,080 also a future building pad. You don't 706 00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,120 want to go spend you know $80,000 90 707 00:28:19,120 --> 00:28:21,200 $100,000 landscaping something you're 708 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,799 going to tear out maybe very soon. So 709 00:28:24,799 --> 00:28:26,240 >> yeah, you probably couldn't put 710 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,600 sprinklers and 711 00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:30,880 >> Yeah. But native seed also spreads. Are 712 00:28:30,880 --> 00:28:34,320 we okay with that? 713 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,559 >> I mean, my neighbor over my neighbor 714 00:28:36,559 --> 00:28:39,360 wildflowered a native seed and I've got 715 00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,159 it everywhere. I can't get rid of it's 716 00:28:42,159 --> 00:28:49,590 just a concern. 717 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,080 » We don't have to do that. I mean, we can 718 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:53,760 >> Well, we don't want a dirt field. I 719 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:55,279 know. So that's that's the conundrum 720 00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:57,120 >> that we we're juggling 721 00:28:57,120 --> 00:28:58,799 >> a lot of 722 00:28:58,799 --> 00:29:00,080 >> so if they 723 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:01,840 >> now 724 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,880 >> so is the does the streetscaping thing 725 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:08,080 come into play here if that front part 726 00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,559 is not developed yet? Are they going to 727 00:29:10,559 --> 00:29:12,960 be required to do 728 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,679 these streetscaping requirements? Does 729 00:29:15,679 --> 00:29:18,240 that make sense? if 730 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,600 you know because we're we're we're 731 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:21,440 talking 732 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,600 you know put putting in a feature every 733 00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:27,039 30 feet 734 00:29:27,039 --> 00:29:28,880 um 735 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,679 installation of plazas gathering spaces 736 00:29:31,679 --> 00:29:35,279 where people may linger planters trees 737 00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,679 shrubs 738 00:29:37,679 --> 00:29:39,200 you know 739 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,520 >> yeah they're bringing obviously watering 740 00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:43,600 right up to the 741 00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:47,440 northeast corner of their planted area. 742 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,200 I don't think it's a big ask to say, 743 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:50,880 "Let's put a couple of sprinkler heads 744 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:56,399 in that area, plant grass, or even 745 00:29:56,399 --> 00:29:58,960 rock it 746 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:01,600 just to provide some 747 00:30:01,600 --> 00:30:04,480 uh 748 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:07,279 protection from that parking lot on Main 749 00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:08,880 Street. The reason why it's an issue is 750 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,600 it's our historic gate gateway district 751 00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:14,320 and and we normally would part of that 752 00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:16,159 landscape design would be required to 753 00:30:16,159 --> 00:30:19,679 make that future building site nice. And 754 00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:21,279 if it's not gonna if it's nothing more 755 00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:24,880 than wild flowers, we wouldn't consider 756 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:26,640 that to be nice. 757 00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:27,760 >> Well, if you're going to put a building 758 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,520 there anyway, maybe we can I don't know, 759 00:30:31,520 --> 00:30:34,240 maybe you can just plan the landscaping 760 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:36,480 out front. the landscaping along that 15 761 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:38,799 foot setback. 762 00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:42,320 >> Yeah, just throwing it out there. 763 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,159 >> John's right. I mean, when you come into 764 00:30:44,159 --> 00:30:45,919 the city, it's it's we're trying to make 765 00:30:45,919 --> 00:30:50,480 that very Have you noticed how nice it looks now at the roundabout? 766 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:51,120 >> A lot of 767 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,120 >> making good progress. And so, it's nice 768 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:56,159 to have I think that that just pop of 769 00:30:56,159 --> 00:30:57,919 green and a little bit of barrier. 770 00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:00,000 That's all we're saying. Not you know, 771 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,039 >> I would make that part of the 772 00:31:01,039 --> 00:31:01,679 recommendation. 773 00:31:01,679 --> 00:31:02,399 >> Yes. 774 00:31:02,399 --> 00:31:03,360 >> Yeah, I would say so. 775 00:31:03,360 --> 00:31:04,960 >> Make that enhance his probably. It'll 776 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:06,480 make him I mean, I know he'll do a good 777 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,159 job with his landscaping, but it would 778 00:31:08,159 --> 00:31:13,350 be great to have that planned. 779 00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:17,360 » Um, okay. Before we uh Anybody have any 780 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:19,200 other questions for And don't leave yet, 781 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:20,000 JD. 782 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,240 >> Might have some for you on on uh 783 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:24,640 materials. Anybody else have any other 784 00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,760 questions on parking, landscaping, 785 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:32,470 anything else? 786 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,520 » Okay. All right. Then J, 787 00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:36,960 >> can we pause on that really quick? Just 788 00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:37,679 add a quick question. 789 00:31:37,679 --> 00:31:38,320 >> Yep, sure. 790 00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:39,919 >> Would that be a condition upon the 791 00:31:39,919 --> 00:31:43,360 approval or is that a recommendation? 792 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,240 >> So the the what we do as the planning 793 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,360 commission is uh take a look at the plan 794 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,799 and try to determine that uh all the um 795 00:31:52,799 --> 00:31:55,840 eyes have been dotted, tees crossed and 796 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,600 everything in the plan, landscape 797 00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,080 setbacks, etc. You know, along with the 798 00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:04,159 city staff, you know, meet code. Um 799 00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:07,120 and then so with respect to the 800 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,039 landscape plan, you know what what we do 801 00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:10,559 here for planning commission as you 802 00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:12,480 obviously know is we make a 803 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:15,279 recommendation to city council. Well, we 804 00:32:15,279 --> 00:32:16,640 can do three things. We can make a 805 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,880 recommendation to um accept with or 806 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,840 without conditions. um make a 807 00:32:23,840 --> 00:32:26,000 recommendation to deny and we usually 808 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,399 try to uh you know g give a record you 809 00:32:28,399 --> 00:32:30,640 know about why we're denying or we can 810 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,640 do a motion to table in other words hey 811 00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,960 we just we need some additional 812 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:38,320 information here. So um what it would be 813 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:41,200 is a a at least with that particular 814 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:42,960 aspect using that example on this 815 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,279 landscape plan it would be for example 816 00:32:45,279 --> 00:32:47,279 if it were a recommendation to approve 817 00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:49,279 it we would make a recommendation to the 818 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:50,799 city council to approve with the 819 00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:54,880 following conditions ABC XYZ whatever 820 00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:56,640 they happen to be and it might be you 821 00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:58,880 know landscaping kind of a green belt 822 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,399 along that 15 foot setback for example 823 00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:04,880 and then city council can you know 824 00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,120 obviously they are free to uh you know 825 00:33:07,120 --> 00:33:08,399 they give great weight to our 826 00:33:08,399 --> 00:33:10,240 recommendations but they're free to you 827 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,320 know take our recommendations accept 828 00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:15,200 them um deny them modify them you know 829 00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:16,320 whatever they see fit 830 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,279 >> perfect thank you 831 00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:23,919 >> yeah um okay So JD, as as I understand 832 00:33:23,919 --> 00:33:27,120 just looking through these plans, 833 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:28,720 um well, let me even back up on that. 834 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,960 One thing that we do as the planning 835 00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:34,080 commission is um one of our greatest 836 00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:37,360 responsibilities honestly is um 837 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,360 preservation of the Gateway Historic 838 00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,200 District and we apply the Gateway 839 00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:45,679 Historic District design guidelines. Um, 840 00:33:45,679 --> 00:33:47,200 when we look through those guidelines, 841 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:48,880 for example, and I'm not going to read 842 00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:50,080 the whole things, but uh I'm not going 843 00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,279 to bore everybody, but it says, for 844 00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:53,519 example, guidelines, new developments 845 00:33:53,519 --> 00:33:57,120 should mimic details of older buildings, 846 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,840 use similar materials, make mundane uses 847 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:02,159 look good, include design features on 848 00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:04,240 blank walls. Um, and then there's a few 849 00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:05,600 other things, right? New construction 850 00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,960 should respect and build upon the 851 00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:09,359 historical legacy of downtown Alpine, 852 00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:11,599 and borrow historic features from the 853 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:14,399 area. Um, and then when we look at at 854 00:34:14,399 --> 00:34:16,480 design criteria, we look at relation to 855 00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:18,879 the surrounding area, height, exterior 856 00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:20,800 walls, fences and surfaces, windows and 857 00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:22,560 doors, exterior trim and decorative 858 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:25,760 detailing, roofing, materials, 859 00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:27,359 parenthesis, texture, color finishes, 860 00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:31,119 and finally streetscaping. So, um, most 861 00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:33,280 of those boxes have been checked 862 00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:35,359 already. Uh, we've already discussed, 863 00:34:35,359 --> 00:34:38,399 for example, streetscaping. And you know 864 00:34:38,399 --> 00:34:41,520 that's why it might sound um a little 865 00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,760 bit overkill when we're talking about 866 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:47,440 the appearance and um perhaps even even 867 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:49,040 you know green belt and you know 868 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,280 temporary landscaping of that 15oot 869 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:53,200 setback you know that's that's part of 870 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,760 our mandate you know that we do. So the 871 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:56,960 other thing that I think that we all 872 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,440 really want to talk to you about is is 873 00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:00,960 materials. 874 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:04,000 And my understanding on is that the 875 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:09,589 proposal as it currently exists 876 00:35:09,599 --> 00:35:13,760 you're using uh on the the exterior of 877 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:16,560 the building, these various elevations, 878 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,520 the following materials. cement fiber 879 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,119 siding, 880 00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:24,160 synthetic wood plank. 881 00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,160 Um, cement fiber siding painted. 882 00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:29,280 Well, maybe maybe they're all going to 883 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:31,119 be painted. I guess that's same. And 884 00:35:31,119 --> 00:35:34,320 then a synthetic wood panel. Is that 885 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:36,240 different than synthetic wood plank? 886 00:35:36,240 --> 00:35:38,160 >> Um, very similar. You'd look at, for 887 00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:41,119 example, Mr. Greer's barn. That's 888 00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:42,800 actually not wood. That's like a 889 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,240 synthetic wood. So that would be an 890 00:35:44,240 --> 00:35:45,839 example of the sort of planking you 891 00:35:45,839 --> 00:35:48,480 would see on a building like this. 892 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:51,359 >> Okay. And then part of the the 893 00:35:51,359 --> 00:35:53,599 elevation, the exterior, you're using 894 00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:55,680 metal roof sighting, correct? 895 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:56,240 >> Okay. 896 00:35:56,240 --> 00:35:58,079 >> Similar to what's there. 897 00:35:58,079 --> 00:36:00,640 >> Okay. Um, 898 00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:02,560 I just think the issue that that I've 899 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:08,320 got on this JD is when we go to the 900 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,280 historic district design guidelines, um, 901 00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,599 under chapter 3, 902 00:36:13,599 --> 00:36:15,839 um, we look at design standards and, uh, 903 00:36:15,839 --> 00:36:18,000 yeah, Kaden, thanks for pulling that up. 904 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,320 And the use of stone, brick, wood, or 905 00:36:20,320 --> 00:36:23,200 stucco is encouraged for use as the 906 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,560 primary exterior material. Next bullet 907 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:28,320 point, innovative use of other materials 908 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,240 that mimic the primary exterior 909 00:36:30,240 --> 00:36:33,440 materials listed may be considered. So I 910 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:34,800 think in the past we've looked at some 911 00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:38,720 of those materials as perhaps in trim or 912 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:40,800 uh in small 913 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:48,000 you know cosmetic type uses that that you know they may be considered but 914 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:51,760 we really try to encourage the primary 915 00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,480 exterior materials to be stone, brick, 916 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,920 wood or stucco. And I think my issue 917 00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:00,000 personally is that I don't think any of 918 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,000 the materials you're proposing on this 919 00:37:02,000 --> 00:37:04,480 building are 920 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,119 uh stone, brick, wood, or stucco. And 921 00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:08,960 those are our those are what we 922 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,119 recommend as primary, you know, 923 00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:14,400 materials. So I was hoping I didn't know 924 00:37:14,400 --> 00:37:15,839 if you had brought samples with you 925 00:37:15,839 --> 00:37:17,760 today that we could take a look at. 926 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,480 Okay. Sometimes that's a help to get us, 927 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,800 you know, over that. But um I think a 928 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,880 concern that that we're going to have 929 00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,839 and um happy to have you address that or uh you know open that discussion to 930 00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:32,000 other members as well. We can do that 931 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,119 after we we um not excuse but but would 932 00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:36,480 but we don't have to keep JD standing 933 00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:37,359 all night. 934 00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:40,720 >> But I suppose that would be my my uh own 935 00:37:40,720 --> 00:37:42,640 concern over this is the use of the 936 00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,680 exterior materials and um maybe you can 937 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:48,240 try and and help settle our concerns on 938 00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:49,839 that. 939 00:37:49,839 --> 00:37:51,920 >> Yeah. So, 940 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,160 first and foremost, we're flexible on 941 00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,000 this design. We want to meet the 942 00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,480 downtown criteria. You know, we aren't 943 00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:01,200 married to any of these materials. If we 944 00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:02,640 want to put some brick on it, let's put 945 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:03,920 some brick on it. If we want to switch 946 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,000 some some things up, you know, we'd 947 00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:07,359 prefer to stay away. You know, you look 948 00:38:07,359 --> 00:38:08,880 at Nick's barn, you could go up and 949 00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,160 touch it, you wouldn't even know it was 950 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:12,400 a synthetic wood. In fact, I had people 951 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,680 tell me, "No, that's wood." I said, "I 952 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,200 promise you it's not wood." 953 00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:15,599 >> Um, 954 00:38:15,599 --> 00:38:17,200 >> yeah. I tried to set it on fire and it 955 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:18,960 wouldn't it wouldn't wouldn't even go. 956 00:38:18,960 --> 00:38:20,560 It was Yeah, I mean, good stuff. 957 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:24,240 >> Um, but but it's it's a great material. 958 00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:25,599 It doesn't present the maintenance 959 00:38:25,599 --> 00:38:27,040 nightmare. You know, something you 960 00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:28,560 coming down the road now on Main Street 961 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:29,440 and you're seeing something that needs 962 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:31,520 to m be maintained. It's constantly 963 00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,839 maintained. And so, we do like products 964 00:38:33,839 --> 00:38:37,520 like that. Um, but if there's there's an 965 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,440 element where we can bring in some brick 966 00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,599 here or if there's an element, you know, 967 00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:43,520 that the the concrete sections are 968 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,160 stuckco, you can actually put um grooves 969 00:38:46,160 --> 00:38:47,760 within the stucco to make it almost look 970 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:49,359 like a concrete facade. We did it in 971 00:38:49,359 --> 00:38:50,880 building an in American Fork. 972 00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:53,440 >> Um, so it's to give the illusion of 973 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:55,200 that, but it is a stucco product. So 974 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,720 there is still, you know, a good amount 975 00:38:56,720 --> 00:38:59,040 of stucco on here. Um, but we're 976 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,599 flexible. Um, and we could take another 977 00:39:01,599 --> 00:39:04,640 pass on that. Uh the the the core thing 978 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:06,640 we're trying to get through right now 979 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:08,079 and understand is whether or not we can 980 00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,240 get site plan approval. Um we anticipate 981 00:39:10,240 --> 00:39:11,839 as well before a building permits even 982 00:39:11,839 --> 00:39:14,240 approved, we'd have to meet those m 983 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:16,240 material requirements from from this 984 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,560 group. So um we're probably less 985 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:20,240 passionate about the materials on this 986 00:39:20,240 --> 00:39:20,720 project. 987 00:39:20,720 --> 00:39:22,079 >> Okay. Well, that's actually really good 988 00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:24,240 to hear. And this is neither here nor 989 00:39:24,240 --> 00:39:28,400 there um for you guys because um the the 990 00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:30,320 only thing that you're I mean the 991 00:39:30,320 --> 00:39:33,119 guidelines that you have used to design 992 00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:34,800 the building and that are applicable to 993 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,599 your project are whatever design 994 00:39:37,599 --> 00:39:40,240 standards are currently in place under 995 00:39:40,240 --> 00:39:42,640 you know this um this current ordinance. 996 00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,280 Um, a little bit of guidance to you is, 997 00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,280 you know, in the future what what both 998 00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,040 planning commission and city council are 999 00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:52,079 working on, um, kind of a a 1000 00:39:52,079 --> 00:39:55,520 forwardlooking 50-year plan is use of a 1001 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:58,000 lot more traditional design elements 1002 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,560 like red brick, you know, kind of what 1003 00:40:00,560 --> 00:40:02,320 we call Utah traditional 1004 00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,000 euphemistically. 1005 00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:08,240 um red brick, wood accents, um like some 1006 00:40:08,240 --> 00:40:09,520 of the newer, like for example, the 1007 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,119 Cedar Hills Fire Station, some of the 1008 00:40:11,119 --> 00:40:12,960 new buildings you see, you know, going 1009 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,760 down North County Boulevard in in Cedar 1010 00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:18,000 Hills and and Pleasant Grove. Um just 1011 00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:19,440 more of a, you know, kind of a timeless 1012 00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:20,640 look, but with some interesting 1013 00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,920 architectural elements, which um I think 1014 00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,839 your your your building could could I 1015 00:40:25,839 --> 00:40:27,440 mean, look, we love the project. We love 1016 00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,599 seeing things go in on Main Street. um 1017 00:40:29,599 --> 00:40:32,400 to the extent that that we could uh you 1018 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:34,560 know work with you to to make it look a 1019 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,880 little more traditional and a building 1020 00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,240 that um you know would would would 1021 00:40:40,240 --> 00:40:43,680 complement uh Alpine. Uh al although I 1022 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,760 am also sensitive of the fact that that 1023 00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,400 at some point Nick is uh probably and it 1024 00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:50,079 sounds like perhaps sooner than later 1025 00:40:50,079 --> 00:40:51,680 whatever that timeline is may put a 1026 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:53,440 family office building there and again 1027 00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,119 knowing Nick I'm sure it'll be very nice 1028 00:40:55,119 --> 00:40:59,200 and um by then we will almost certainly 1029 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,319 have guidelines in place that will be 1030 00:41:02,319 --> 00:41:06,079 much more of a of a traditional you know 1031 00:41:06,079 --> 00:41:09,040 Utah traditional look. And so, um, it 1032 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,400 just might be worth your while to think 1033 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,880 about since those guidelines will most 1034 00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:18,000 likely be in place by the time, um, 1035 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,960 you folks come back for, uh, the family 1036 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,280 office, um, you might want to have this 1037 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:24,480 building tie into that. 1038 00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:25,280 >> Sure. 1039 00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:27,520 >> So, um, anyway, that's that's I 1040 00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,599 appreciate that, JD. But, uh, you know, 1041 00:41:29,599 --> 00:41:31,119 those are my thoughts. So, there any 1042 00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:33,040 other questions for J JD, we can if 1043 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,800 there aren't, he can go ahead and take a 1044 00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,200 seat and we can open up for discussion. 1045 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:38,960 How 1046 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:40,480 about the same thing? Just getting the 1047 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,000 brick there. And we've talked about 1048 00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:43,200 doing the little black. It looks like 1049 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:44,880 you've done black windows as well. It 1050 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:45,760 just 1051 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,119 >> I think the black windows look great. 1052 00:41:47,119 --> 00:41:48,640 >> Don't believe that this, but we really 1053 00:41:48,640 --> 00:41:51,680 are working on a cohesive plan down Main 1054 00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:53,119 Street. And we're we're going to get 1055 00:41:53,119 --> 00:41:54,960 there. And I think that buildings like 1056 00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,119 this that are right as you come off the 1057 00:41:57,119 --> 00:41:59,280 roundabout, it'll really set that what 1058 00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:00,800 we're looking for. And I think that 1059 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,319 building I'm sure you'll come up with 1060 00:42:02,319 --> 00:42:04,480 something like fabulous. just those 1061 00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,480 changes materials I think could still 1062 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,000 make this a beautiful building. 1063 00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:09,520 >> Yeah, it is. Susan, and just so you 1064 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:11,040 know, I mean, we're we're right in the 1065 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:14,720 middle of of kind of intense 1066 00:42:14,720 --> 00:42:16,480 meeting after meeting after meeting 1067 00:42:16,480 --> 00:42:18,160 trying to get a consensus on the new 1068 00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,480 fire station going in because again, 1069 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:22,720 we're trying to get those uh, you know, 1070 00:42:22,720 --> 00:42:25,680 traditional elements of of um, you know, 1071 00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:27,680 red brick and and again, I love your 1072 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,359 black framed windows and all that looks 1073 00:42:29,359 --> 00:42:30,720 great and those are something that we're 1074 00:42:30,720 --> 00:42:34,160 looking for as well. So, um, Even those 1075 00:42:34,160 --> 00:42:36,800 little 1076 00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,800 >> Jeze 1077 00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:41,920 >> I I I think this has kind of elements of 1078 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,319 like the Ezra Lee building, the old car 1079 00:42:44,319 --> 00:42:45,839 wash. I don't know if you're familiar 1080 00:42:45,839 --> 00:42:47,119 with that building that they kind of 1081 00:42:47,119 --> 00:42:49,440 did, but I drove past that today and 1082 00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:51,119 they actually have it looked to me like 1083 00:42:51,119 --> 00:42:53,119 kind of stone on the you know what I 1084 00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,839 mean? They kind of sort of use those 1085 00:42:55,839 --> 00:42:59,040 elements, but it still kind of 1086 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,880 >> Yeah, I it worked. 1087 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:02,960 >> Yeah. Well, I like this is right on Main 1088 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,960 Street. I mean, I love that it could 1089 00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:06,160 really be a nice statement. 1090 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:07,839 >> Yeah. Yeah. The challenge I think 1091 00:43:07,839 --> 00:43:11,119 oftentimes we run into is we forget that 1092 00:43:11,119 --> 00:43:13,280 it's also a warehouse. And so, how do we 1093 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:14,560 balance 1094 00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:17,359 >> um you know, making something more fancy 1095 00:43:17,359 --> 00:43:19,440 than it needs to be as a warehouse and 1096 00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:21,119 the cost even associated with doing 1097 00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:21,359 that? 1098 00:43:21,359 --> 00:43:22,319 >> Totally understand. 1099 00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:23,359 >> Well, that's the problem with putting a 1100 00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:24,560 warehouse on Main Street. 1101 00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:25,280 >> Exactly. 1102 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:26,720 >> This is way off. you're going to have a 1103 00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:28,480 building in front. But uh but to the 1104 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,400 extent that we can 1105 00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:32,640 >> you know work with you on some forward 1106 00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,720 thinking guidelines that will almost 1107 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:36,640 certainly be in place when 1108 00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:38,240 >> you come back for the family office, 1109 00:43:38,240 --> 00:43:40,240 it's it's worth making sure that this 1110 00:43:40,240 --> 00:43:43,359 will tie 1111 00:43:43,359 --> 00:43:43,839 >> what 1112 00:43:43,839 --> 00:43:45,440 >> it makes your job so much easier. You 1113 00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:47,119 know exactly what your you know some of 1114 00:43:47,119 --> 00:43:48,400 the stuff is supposed to look like and 1115 00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:49,359 you can go forward. 1116 00:43:49,359 --> 00:43:50,640 >> Yeah. And I'm not suggesting because 1117 00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:55,839 it's a warehouse we don't seek to find a way that it's beautiful and meets the 1118 00:43:55,839 --> 00:43:57,520 standard. It's just the balancing act 1119 00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:00,240 that an owner and a GC run is, you know, 1120 00:44:00,240 --> 00:44:02,400 how do we make this cost effective as a 1121 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:03,839 warehouse and still meet the need? 1122 00:44:03,839 --> 00:44:04,319 >> Sure, 1123 00:44:04,319 --> 00:44:04,720 >> Kate. 1124 00:44:04,720 --> 00:44:05,760 >> Yeah. I 1125 00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:06,319 >> go ahead. 1126 00:44:06,319 --> 00:44:09,760 >> No. Well, I it's just a rarity for a 1127 00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,319 city to have a warehouse mixed in with a 1128 00:44:12,319 --> 00:44:15,359 residential mixed in with 1129 00:44:15,359 --> 00:44:18,800 a an commercial district. We are unique. 1130 00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,280 And so we can't carve out a warehouse 1131 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:25,280 district and put it by I-15. And so 1132 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,480 that's 1133 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:27,440 >> where we're all trying. 1134 00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:28,640 >> Basically what you're saying is we don't 1135 00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:30,240 have industrial or light industrial 1136 00:44:30,240 --> 00:44:32,160 anywhere in Alpine. So it is a bit of a 1137 00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:34,319 unique you know application. 1138 00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:36,560 >> Unfortunately you're kind of 1139 00:44:36,560 --> 00:44:37,839 >> so it's going to have to be a fancy 1140 00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:39,119 warehouse. 1141 00:44:39,119 --> 00:44:40,640 >> Well you have a great owner that's wants 1142 00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:42,319 to do right by the city. 1143 00:44:42,319 --> 00:44:45,680 >> He's got class fine. Kaden, I have a JD 1144 00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,680 brought up the point that he he's going 1145 00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,240 for a site plan here. Does the elevation 1146 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,319 approval, design approval need to be 1147 00:44:52,319 --> 00:44:54,400 part of that or can they be separated? 1148 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,640 >> From my understanding, you would need to 1149 00:44:56,640 --> 00:44:58,240 put that as a condition if you want to 1150 00:44:58,240 --> 00:45:00,800 approve today site plan that you want to 1151 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:04,960 see different changes in the elevations. 1152 00:45:04,960 --> 00:45:09,829 >> Yeah. 1153 00:45:09,839 --> 00:45:12,960 So again, I I would assume like most 1154 00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:15,520 projects, time is money. 1155 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:18,240 >> So um let me let me just kind of put a 1156 00:45:18,240 --> 00:45:20,400 hypothetical in front of you and then 1157 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,359 you know we'll we'll excuse you and and 1158 00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:26,960 um and and we'll discuss. But I 1159 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:30,000 mentioned to you before and the reason I I ran you through that is there's a 1160 00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:31,440 few different options, right? You know, 1161 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:33,280 today which is a motion to recommend 1162 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,040 with conditions. Well, sorry, a motion 1163 00:45:35,040 --> 00:45:36,720 to recommend unconditionally. a motion 1164 00:45:36,720 --> 00:45:38,480 to recommend with conditions. I think we 1165 00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:40,640 certainly have conditions. Um or a 1166 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:44,000 motion to deny based on certain reasons. 1167 00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,000 Um which and all of which then moves it 1168 00:45:46,000 --> 00:45:49,839 on to city council. Um 1169 00:45:49,839 --> 00:45:53,599 or there is a an option which is a 1170 00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:55,200 motion to table. 1171 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:59,520 >> Um and and with that type of motion we 1172 00:45:59,520 --> 00:46:05,520 would for example uh um you know again I I don't make motions. I just chair the 1173 00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,760 meeting. But uh that type of motion 1174 00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,200 would involve um talking to you again 1175 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,920 like we have today about design and 1176 00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:16,319 mater more material change. We don't you 1177 00:46:16,319 --> 00:46:18,000 know your design is fine. It's more the 1178 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,040 materials uh that would that that we 1179 00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,720 would like to see. We could table it and 1180 00:46:22,720 --> 00:46:24,240 then he have you back in a couple of 1181 00:46:24,240 --> 00:46:27,760 weeks and then send it on to city 1182 00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,000 council um with a recommendation at that 1183 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:34,160 point which would likely be 1184 00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,800 recommendation to approve with maybe the 1185 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:38,800 landscape conditions you know said or 1186 00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:40,560 maybe you would would revise the 1187 00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:44,160 landscape um plan and uh it could end up 1188 00:46:44,160 --> 00:46:46,079 going back to city council with a you 1189 00:46:46,079 --> 00:46:47,280 know kind of an unconditional 1190 00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:50,240 recommendation. Um otherwise it may you 1191 00:46:50,240 --> 00:46:53,359 know would this be would would this be 1192 00:46:53,359 --> 00:46:55,599 on what's the agenda look like for city 1193 00:46:55,599 --> 00:46:57,599 council next week? Would this be on that 1194 00:46:57,599 --> 00:46:58,720 agenda? 1195 00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:00,560 >> That was the plan if you approved today 1196 00:47:00,560 --> 00:47:02,400 as the recommending body. Yes. 1197 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,960 >> Okay. So but if it for example it it 1198 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,680 goes up there with a recommendation to 1199 00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:10,319 deny because of the materials that are 1200 00:47:10,319 --> 00:47:12,400 that you've the extra exterior materials 1201 00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:14,880 that you've that you've used. um and 1202 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,760 city council agreed with that then I 1203 00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,599 think it would correct me if I'm wrong 1204 00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:21,839 Kaden but then it's going to basically 1205 00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:23,680 say yeah we agree with planning 1206 00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:26,480 commission go back and fix these things 1207 00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,640 and then come back at which case it 1208 00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:30,880 comes back to us and then back to them. 1209 00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:34,079 So um again time is money and and I 1210 00:47:34,079 --> 00:47:35,440 would imagine you folks want to keep 1211 00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,240 this moving. Um perhaps the quickest way 1212 00:47:38,240 --> 00:47:41,839 on this is a motion to table and we see 1213 00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:44,400 again in a couple of weeks with um some 1214 00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:50,400 plan revisions and at that point we um move it on to city council. So I I 1215 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:51,760 don't know your thought, you know, just 1216 00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:53,440 perhaps your thoughts on that and maybe 1217 00:47:53,440 --> 00:47:55,760 that that helps us know, you know, the 1218 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:58,319 direction we go with the motion because 1219 00:47:58,319 --> 00:47:59,839 we do want to work with you. We like the 1220 00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:01,200 project. We want you to be able to 1221 00:48:01,200 --> 00:48:03,359 expand, but we also need to fulfill our 1222 00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:05,599 obligations here with respect to the the 1223 00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:07,359 fact that this is on Main Street and not 1224 00:48:07,359 --> 00:48:10,560 just all sitting on 100 West. 1225 00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:12,400 >> Is there is there a path forward where 1226 00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,440 we adjust the site plan and some of 1227 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,680 those landscaping concerns, make some 1228 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:20,480 adjustments on that and do it out just 1229 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:21,839 send it to you and you guys determine, 1230 00:48:21,839 --> 00:48:23,200 okay, we're comfortable moving it on 1231 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,559 still or do we got to circle back 1232 00:48:24,559 --> 00:48:24,960 through? 1233 00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,480 >> I think we have to do it in a we have to 1234 00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,240 do it publicly in a meeting. Okay. But 1235 00:48:28,240 --> 00:48:29,839 we will meet again in a couple of weeks 1236 00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:31,760 and we'd make sure you're on the agenda. 1237 00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:33,440 Okay. Well, sounds like that's probably 1238 00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:34,880 the route we got to go. 1239 00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:36,400 >> Okay. 1240 00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:38,640 >> Any other questions that anybody has for 1241 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:39,280 JD? 1242 00:48:39,280 --> 00:48:41,040 >> Bring some of some samples. Would you 1243 00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:41,839 want that? 1244 00:48:41,839 --> 00:48:44,400 >> Um, yeah. Would know. And yeah, it would 1245 00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:46,559 be great to have samples. That that is 1246 00:48:46,559 --> 00:48:49,200 often helpful to see them, feel them, 1247 00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:49,599 etc. 1248 00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:51,119 >> We need that little 1249 00:48:51,119 --> 00:48:51,520 >> Yeah, 1250 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,440 >> we're not that creative up here. 1251 00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:54,880 >> Um, okay. 1252 00:48:54,880 --> 00:48:55,440 >> Okay. 1253 00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:56,720 >> Excellent. Appreciate your your 1254 00:48:56,720 --> 00:49:00,720 presentation. Thank you. Okay. Uh 1255 00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:07,190 discussion. 1256 00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:08,559 » I'm ready to make a motion if we're 1257 00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:09,520 ready. 1258 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:09,920 >> Nice job. 1259 00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:11,280 >> Oh, John. 1260 00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,040 >> I make a motion. I don't know what we're 1261 00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:14,720 calling this thing. Do you have your 1262 00:49:14,720 --> 00:49:16,240 sample motions you can bring up? 1263 00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:28,230 >> Let me pull it up. Yeah. One second. 1264 00:49:28,240 --> 00:49:32,800 Okay. I move to table the uh approval or 1265 00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:35,280 recommendation to approve of the 1266 00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,760 proposed site plan for the new 512 1267 00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:40,079 commercial building at 170 South Main 1268 00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:41,680 Street, 1269 00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:44,960 giving the applicant the opportunity to 1270 00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,599 revise the design incorporating those 1271 00:49:47,599 --> 00:49:53,280 materials that are um 1272 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:56,240 called out in the Gateway Historic 1273 00:49:56,240 --> 00:49:58,079 District 1274 00:49:58,079 --> 00:50:00,640 as as well as 1275 00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,760 uh and those being the use of stone, 1276 00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,280 brick, wood or stucco. 1277 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:10,240 Um 1278 00:50:10,240 --> 00:50:14,079 also to modify the 1279 00:50:14,079 --> 00:50:17,680 uh future building site 1280 00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,440 uh to reflect 1281 00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,720 a landscaping concept that would be used 1282 00:50:24,720 --> 00:50:30,710 during an interim period. 1283 00:50:30,720 --> 00:50:32,559 By the building site, do you mean that 1284 00:50:32,559 --> 00:50:35,119 uh pad site the future right along Main 1285 00:50:35,119 --> 00:50:35,760 Street? Yeah. 1286 00:50:35,760 --> 00:50:36,480 >> Okay. 1287 00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:38,559 >> Do we want to point out streetscaping 1288 00:50:38,559 --> 00:50:40,079 specifically or I guess it's just 1289 00:50:40,079 --> 00:50:42,160 landscaping is 1290 00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:49,349 >> covers it. 1291 00:50:49,359 --> 00:50:51,119 » Okay, John, you done with the motion? 1292 00:50:51,119 --> 00:50:53,280 >> That's I thought you might be a little 1293 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:54,640 pensive there. No, 1294 00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:55,920 >> I wasn't sure if there's one little 1295 00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:56,559 bubble cloud. 1296 00:50:56,559 --> 00:50:58,160 >> I was disappointed that no one jumped 1297 00:50:58,160 --> 00:51:00,400 right in to second that motion. So, 1298 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:02,640 >> okay. Well, I hadn't because we we just 1299 00:51:02,640 --> 00:51:04,000 weren't sure. You looked very 1300 00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:07,359 thoughtful. Okay. Um, we have a motion 1301 00:51:07,359 --> 00:51:09,119 uh by John McCay. 1302 00:51:09,119 --> 00:51:11,599 >> Do we have a second? 1303 00:51:11,599 --> 00:51:12,559 >> I'll second John. 1304 00:51:12,559 --> 00:51:14,000 >> Okay, we have a second by Troyce Lade. 1305 00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:18,230 All right. Discussion on the motion. 1306 00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:20,720 » Marla, can you read back the motion? 1307 00:51:20,720 --> 00:51:26,950 Let's just let's just hear the language. 1308 00:51:26,960 --> 00:51:28,960 » I don't have all of it. Um I'm gonna 1309 00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,720 have to go back and relisten to it. I 1310 00:51:30,720 --> 00:51:32,400 have planning commission member John 1311 00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:34,240 McCay move to table the proposed site 1312 00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:37,520 plan for the new 512 building at 170 1313 00:51:37,520 --> 00:51:39,760 South Main Street and ask the applicant 1314 00:51:39,760 --> 00:51:41,280 to come back with the following. Then 1315 00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:42,880 I'm going to go back and listen to all 1316 00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:44,559 of his following statements. 1317 00:51:44,559 --> 00:51:46,720 >> I wrote some stuff down. 1318 00:51:46,720 --> 00:51:50,720 >> Repeat what he said. I wrote it down. 1319 00:51:50,720 --> 00:51:52,480 >> Yeah. I I mean No, I think it was good. 1320 00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:54,000 I think the only and I think it was 1321 00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:55,200 clear enough. I think the only 1322 00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:56,960 clarification would be if we thought 1323 00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,720 there needed to be clarification would 1324 00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:03,200 just be on the more or less landscaping 1325 00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:05,280 the 1326 00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:06,800 setback 1327 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:09,040 along Yeah. Main Street. 1328 00:52:09,040 --> 00:52:10,640 >> But I think that was probably clear 1329 00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:11,680 enough in the motion. 1330 00:52:11,680 --> 00:52:13,280 >> I'll accept that if you want to make 1331 00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:14,319 that. 1332 00:52:14,319 --> 00:52:16,559 >> Okay. Well, I I I can't make it, but if 1333 00:52:16,559 --> 00:52:17,760 somebody would like to 1334 00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:19,599 >> that motion. So, so we don't want to use 1335 00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:22,000 the streetscaping guidelines that they 1336 00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,880 kind of set out those or just 1337 00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:25,920 landscaping in general 1338 00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:26,880 >> presently. They don't have any 1339 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,240 landscaping. 1340 00:52:28,240 --> 00:52:31,520 >> So, just some just landscape that 15 1341 00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,000 >> the 15 foot setback. 1342 00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:37,520 >> But I'm sorry. But wouldn't wouldn't we though like if we just 1343 00:52:37,520 --> 00:52:39,280 ignore any future building, wouldn't we 1344 00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:42,000 require them to to go through that 1345 00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:45,440 streetscaping stuff that we 1346 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:46,960 >> requiring? 1347 00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,680 >> Well, no. like like just having having x 1348 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,520 amount of trees or x amount of what do 1349 00:52:51,520 --> 00:52:52,240 they call them? 1350 00:52:52,240 --> 00:52:54,000 >> Well, you know, yeah, we already went 1351 00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,440 through the landscape plan and I think 1352 00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,079 we we the trees, the bushes, the 1353 00:52:58,079 --> 00:52:59,599 everything. I think that we I mean, we 1354 00:52:59,599 --> 00:53:01,359 didn't go through them in depth, but I 1355 00:53:01,359 --> 00:53:03,119 think we felt like they were fine. 1356 00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:04,480 >> Okay. 1357 00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:05,440 I mean, well, 1358 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:06,400 >> yeah, 1359 00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,760 >> at least that hadn't been a discussion 1360 00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,240 topic up to the meeting at this point 1361 00:53:10,240 --> 00:53:12,720 that there was anything deficient in the 1362 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:15,520 landscape plan other than 1363 00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:19,280 landscaping kind of a green belt in that 1364 00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:21,760 15 foot setback along Main Street. I 1365 00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:23,040 think that's that was that was the only 1366 00:53:23,040 --> 00:53:25,680 part of the plan that I heard anybody 1367 00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:26,559 >> have an issue with. 1368 00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:28,559 >> Yeah, me too. 1369 00:53:28,559 --> 00:53:30,240 >> I mean, my point was just like because 1370 00:53:30,240 --> 00:53:31,920 we've got specific things in the 1371 00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:33,280 streetscape, you know what I'm saying? 1372 00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:35,520 like, hey, places for people to kind of 1373 00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,640 linger and, you know, benches and 1374 00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,040 whatever. I I mean, do we just not do 1375 00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:48,710 anything with that right now, right? 1376 00:53:48,720 --> 00:53:50,079 I mean, if you're just asking my 1377 00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:51,520 opinion, which just one, you know, an 1378 00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,480 opinion one of five. I I think just 1379 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,400 based on the nature of this building, 1380 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,599 it's set way way back. It's a it's an 1381 00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:01,920 addition to the warehouse. I understand 1382 00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:05,280 its function. At some point, the owner 1383 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,800 sounds like he's going to build a family 1384 00:54:06,800 --> 00:54:09,920 office right on Main Street, which, you 1385 00:54:09,920 --> 00:54:12,079 know, knowing the owner will be, you 1386 00:54:12,079 --> 00:54:13,599 know, top-notch and beautiful. And at 1387 00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:16,640 that point, I think there will be those 1388 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:17,440 are some questions. 1389 00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:18,880 >> Yeah, I think I I think so. I mean, I 1390 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,079 think that's at the point where you 1391 00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:22,720 would, you know, talk about, you know, 1392 00:54:22,720 --> 00:54:24,640 is there a walkway? You know, what's the 1393 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,559 vegetation around it? What are, you 1394 00:54:26,559 --> 00:54:28,559 know, benches if anything? 1395 00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:30,480 >> Um, that would just be my sense on that. 1396 00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:31,839 Okay, 1397 00:54:31,839 --> 00:54:32,800 >> I'm good with that. 1398 00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:36,160 >> So, did did Troy did you want to um 1399 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,440 propose an amendment to John's motion to 1400 00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:42,400 be a little more specific on landscaping 1401 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:46,640 the 15t setback of the future building 1402 00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:50,880 site right along Main Street? 1403 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:53,520 >> Yeah. Okay. I think that's exactly what 1404 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:56,480 we ought to do. Just Yeah, the 15t along 1405 00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,000 Main Street. I think we got to spell 1406 00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,599 that out. Okay, 1407 00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:01,760 >> spell it out. 1408 00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:02,240 >> Um, 1409 00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:03,839 >> or say what Alan said. 1410 00:55:03,839 --> 00:55:08,400 >> Let's let's landscape the the 15 ft 1411 00:55:08,400 --> 00:55:12,160 along that lines Main Street. Goes along 1412 00:55:12,160 --> 00:55:15,760 Main Street. Okay. Uh, John, do you 1413 00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,440 accept the 1414 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:19,520 >> amendment offered by Troy Slade? 1415 00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:20,079 >> Yes. 1416 00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:24,880 >> Okay. Uh we have a motion then by John 1417 00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,880 McCay modified by um an amendment 1418 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:32,559 profered by Troy Slade. Any discussion 1419 00:55:32,559 --> 00:55:36,240 on the motion and the amendment that uh 1420 00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:39,520 John accepted? 1421 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:44,000 >> Could we um could we add that they have 1422 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,400 if they we really feel like it should be 1423 00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:50,400 locked off? Can we add that it's a, you 1424 00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,119 know, a black simple little gate rather 1425 00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:56,960 than a chain in padlock? 1426 00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,280 >> Uh, yeah, but we'll see that we'll see 1427 00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:00,960 this again in a couple of weeks. 1428 00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:01,359 >> Okay. 1429 00:56:01,359 --> 00:56:04,000 >> And so if you know if if that's still 1430 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:05,599 the same and the concern still exists, 1431 00:56:05,599 --> 00:56:08,880 perhaps that could be a condition of uh 1432 00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:12,640 of the the recommendation that goes to 1433 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,559 city council. That work for you, 1434 00:56:14,559 --> 00:56:16,640 Michelle? Is that regarding the kid the 1435 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,480 school people parking there? Is that 1436 00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:18,880 what you're 1437 00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:21,839 >> Well, that's why they have it is because 1438 00:56:21,839 --> 00:56:23,440 of overspill. 1439 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:24,720 >> He thinks it's ugly. 1440 00:56:24,720 --> 00:56:26,480 >> Yeah. But just have it so that like this 1441 00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:27,599 is it's 1442 00:56:27,599 --> 00:56:30,880 >> Yeah. If if we feel that I just Yeah. I 1443 00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,680 mean the church gets used by, you know, 1444 00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:35,920 lots of people the knot and pine and 1445 00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,319 they haven't gone so far to padlock off 1446 00:56:38,319 --> 00:56:42,480 their entrances. I just it's I tried to 1447 00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:45,040 pull in as I was looking at the building 1448 00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:47,200 today and drove all around and walked 1449 00:56:47,200 --> 00:56:52,400 all around and I don't know it's it's it 1450 00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,640 if if we feel that it's necessary for 1451 00:56:54,640 --> 00:56:58,240 their safety and their business maybe. 1452 00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:02,240 >> Well, this is just and I'm not going to put words into JD's 1453 00:57:02,240 --> 00:57:04,400 mouth, but I mean what I sense will 1454 00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:07,760 happen is that'll probably come down. I 1455 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:09,599 mean like like once everything goes 1456 00:57:09,599 --> 00:57:10,880 through and they start construction I 1457 00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,760 mean they that's probably comes down 1458 00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,079 they they build everything put the 1459 00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:19,440 parking lot in curbs etc. And my sense 1460 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,160 is that's probably a different mechanism 1461 00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:22,400 right 1462 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,000 >> if at all at that point that 1463 00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:25,359 >> and maybe it's not a problem at that 1464 00:57:25,359 --> 00:57:25,839 point. 1465 00:57:25,839 --> 00:57:27,599 >> Yeah I think so. So I don't think it's 1466 00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:32,480 anything we can handle at this moment. I just think okay so we have a motion 1467 00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,280 and an amendment uh by Troy accepted by 1468 00:57:35,280 --> 00:57:38,319 John. Any discussion? 1469 00:57:38,319 --> 00:57:40,400 Okay. All in favor of the motion to 1470 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:41,520 table say I. 1471 00:57:41,520 --> 00:57:41,920 >> I. 1472 00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,000 Any opposed? 1473 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,680 >> Okay. The motion to table passes 1474 00:57:45,680 --> 00:57:47,440 unanimously. Thank you to the commission 1475 00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,319 and JD. Thank you for the presentation. 1476 00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:53,200 >> Um and hey any any questions you might 1477 00:57:53,200 --> 00:57:55,599 have with respect to 1478 00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:58,640 you know materials look. I mean 1479 00:57:58,640 --> 00:58:00,720 >> have you know Nick knows me well. Have 1480 00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:02,240 Nick give me a call or you and Nick can 1481 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,319 give me a call or happy to meet with uh 1482 00:58:04,319 --> 00:58:07,200 you gentlemen. um 1483 00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,480 pass on. I mean, you know, try to try to help you get into our crazy heads 1484 00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,000 about, you know, what we're looking as a 1485 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,160 go forward for, you know, Alpine Design 1486 00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,079 Standards. But, uh, happy to work with 1487 00:58:16,079 --> 00:58:17,280 you on that because, you know, I think 1488 00:58:17,280 --> 00:58:18,720 we all like the project. 1489 00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,480 >> Yeah. 1490 00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:21,359 >> Okay. Thank you, sir. 1491 00:58:21,359 --> 00:58:23,280 >> Good luck, guys. It's going to be great. 1492 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:23,760 >> Thanks. 1493 00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:26,480 >> See you in a couple of weeks. 1494 00:58:26,480 --> 00:58:29,040 >> Okay. Um, 1495 00:58:29,040 --> 00:58:30,400 >> yeah. Thank you, everybody. Appreciate 1496 00:58:30,400 --> 00:58:33,119 it. Um, nice, folks. Uh, all right, 1497 00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:34,480 Kaden, we don't have any other items, 1498 00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,559 right? All right. I have a quick I'm not 1499 00:58:36,559 --> 00:58:37,760 going to belabor the point, but it's 1500 00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:42,240 right along these same lines. Um, I 1501 00:58:42,240 --> 00:58:45,280 have a special 1502 00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:46,799 communication for all of you. 1503 00:58:46,799 --> 00:58:47,200 >> Yes, 1504 00:58:47,200 --> 00:58:49,520 >> John. It's like, what is this? And it 1505 00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:52,240 will not take very long. Uh, Kaden, can 1506 00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:57,200 you pull up the slide the slides? And basically, it's this, right? I mean, 1507 00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,520 we spent a lot of time uh going through 1508 00:58:59,520 --> 00:59:02,160 that small area plan and in particular, 1509 00:59:02,160 --> 00:59:03,520 we discussed a lot. We made 1510 00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,720 recommendations to the uh city council 1511 00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,680 for revisions to the small area plan. 1512 00:59:09,680 --> 00:59:12,319 And based on those revisions to the 1513 00:59:12,319 --> 00:59:14,000 small area plan, which is a non-binding 1514 00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:15,440 document, I think that then opens the 1515 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:18,319 door for us to go and and uh propose 1516 00:59:18,319 --> 00:59:20,799 amendments to the Gayway historic 1517 00:59:20,799 --> 00:59:22,960 district design guidelines. And just, 1518 00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:24,160 you know, I'll I'll just pass this up 1519 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:25,760 and down. John already looked at it, but 1520 00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:28,000 if you look at the current guidelines, 1521 00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:30,319 uh, you know, we we we delineate 1522 00:59:30,319 --> 00:59:32,480 specific materials, 1523 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,400 um, looks, although it could be a lot 1524 00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:38,319 tighter, right? But we also have some 1525 00:59:38,319 --> 00:59:41,040 photographs in there. So, you know, I I 1526 00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:43,359 think once we get just the basic 1527 00:59:43,359 --> 00:59:49,200 revisions to the small area plan and if it if again if the city council 1528 00:59:49,200 --> 00:59:51,200 adopts our recommendations, then I think 1529 00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:52,880 that opens the door for us to then come 1530 00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,960 and work on revisions to these 1531 00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,680 guidelines, tighten this up, make this a 1532 00:59:57,680 --> 00:59:59,520 document that's workable for, you know, 1533 00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,520 the next few decades and put some very 1534 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:05,440 specific language around it and, you 1535 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,280 know, that is materials, that is design, 1536 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,040 um, what would you call them, Troy? I 1537 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,160 mean, design. 1538 01:00:12,160 --> 01:00:13,599 >> Yeah, just elements. 1539 01:00:13,599 --> 01:00:15,280 >> Elements. Um 1540 01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:15,920 >> um 1541 01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:17,680 >> looks I mean just all around again 1542 01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:18,400 >> elements, I guess. 1543 01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,960 >> Yeah. Ju just just to help really guide 1544 01:00:20,960 --> 01:00:23,359 both the city and future, you know, 1545 01:00:23,359 --> 01:00:25,359 developers around, you know, what we're 1546 01:00:25,359 --> 01:00:27,280 looking for. So, 1547 01:00:27,280 --> 01:00:28,559 >> um yeah, exactly. 1548 01:00:28,559 --> 01:00:30,160 >> Never had clarity. And so, if you hand 1549 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:32,720 that to him and if JD was looking at it 1550 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:35,359 as it is now, he's like, "Huh?" 1551 01:00:35,359 --> 01:00:36,480 >> He kind of feel sad for 1552 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:38,960 >> Well, it's it's Yeah, you know. Yeah, 1553 01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:40,400 I've I've been on the commission for 10 1554 01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:42,240 years and I mean it's just we have those 1555 01:00:42,240 --> 01:00:43,760 guidelines and you just sort of see a 1556 01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,520 real hodgepodge of buildings in Alpine 1557 01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:46,720 and a lot and a lot of these things 1558 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:48,799 happened before any of the present you 1559 01:00:48,799 --> 01:00:50,319 know mayor, city council, planning 1560 01:00:50,319 --> 01:00:52,240 commission was here but you know I think 1561 01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:55,440 our job is is to help you know provide a 1562 01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:56,960 document that will give guidance going 1563 01:00:56,960 --> 01:00:58,720 forward. So, that being said, you know, 1564 01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:00,880 we've talked a little bit about a an 1565 01:01:00,880 --> 01:01:02,880 architectural 1566 01:01:02,880 --> 01:01:05,440 um concept that we've just sort of, for 1567 01:01:05,440 --> 01:01:07,280 lack of a better term, called Utah 1568 01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,119 traditional, right? I don't know that 1569 01:01:09,119 --> 01:01:11,280 that's really a thing in any architect, 1570 01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,680 you know, handbooks, you know, or, you 1571 01:01:13,680 --> 01:01:15,200 know, school books that you'll ever see. 1572 01:01:15,200 --> 01:01:17,760 But um you know maybe we can you know 1573 01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,400 again we can perhaps you know AI this 1574 01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,880 thing or chat GPT it or or you know work 1575 01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:24,720 with a little bit of a an architectural 1576 01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,480 consultant and kind of come up with the 1577 01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:29,280 right language around this. But I just 1578 01:01:29,280 --> 01:01:33,359 wanted to to just um just chat with the 1579 01:01:33,359 --> 01:01:35,760 commission a little bit about uh you 1580 01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,200 know maybe going forward there's going 1581 01:01:37,200 --> 01:01:38,640 to be a time when we're going to work on 1582 01:01:38,640 --> 01:01:40,319 this and I think it would be good to 1583 01:01:40,319 --> 01:01:45,200 more or less have a ju just just a um 1584 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:48,000 file of 1585 01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:50,880 buildings or design elements that we 1586 01:01:50,880 --> 01:01:53,520 think look nice that will stand the test 1587 01:01:53,520 --> 01:01:55,599 of time that would fit in with some of 1588 01:01:55,599 --> 01:01:57,440 the current buildings 1589 01:01:57,440 --> 01:01:59,520 >> that are both in Alpine and in 1590 01:01:59,520 --> 01:02:01,040 surrounding neighborhoods, American 1591 01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:03,680 Fork, Lehi, uh, Cedar Hills, and 1592 01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:06,240 Pleasant Grove in particular, and come 1593 01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,079 up with. So, I I just took a few 1594 01:02:08,079 --> 01:02:10,480 pictures of some of the a little more 1595 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,079 traditional looking buildings we 1596 01:02:12,079 --> 01:02:14,079 currently have in Alpine. So, the last 1597 01:02:14,079 --> 01:02:16,960 one was again, go backwards if you know 1598 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:18,319 the other way if you would. So, uh, 1599 01:02:18,319 --> 01:02:19,920 yeah, one more. 1600 01:02:19,920 --> 01:02:21,839 >> No, the other way. Yeah, one more. So, 1601 01:02:21,839 --> 01:02:23,040 that's just, you know, again, we know 1602 01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,280 the building. I just, you know, Yeah. 1603 01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:28,319 traditional red brick. windows. Look how 1604 01:02:28,319 --> 01:02:29,920 nice black windows would be in that. 1605 01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:31,839 >> Yeah, black windows would make that a 1606 01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:33,760 lot nicer. Again, there there's, you 1607 01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:35,760 know, there's not too many design 1608 01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:37,440 elements on that like we'll see in some 1609 01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:38,640 other buildings, right? If there were a 1610 01:02:38,640 --> 01:02:40,319 few more design elements, 1611 01:02:40,319 --> 01:02:40,799 >> right? 1612 01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:43,280 >> But yeah, but but you know, you could 1613 01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:47,599 like I think Sue makes a great point. 1614 01:02:47,599 --> 01:02:49,359 You know, next time they update their 1615 01:02:49,359 --> 01:02:51,359 windows, right? I mean, put some black 1616 01:02:51,359 --> 01:02:53,119 frame windows for example and and 1617 01:02:53,119 --> 01:02:55,760 perhaps some uh um overhangs over the 1618 01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,240 windows or some you know, 1619 01:02:58,240 --> 01:02:59,839 >> some design elements and you totally 1620 01:02:59,839 --> 01:03:01,839 transform that building because the red 1621 01:03:01,839 --> 01:03:03,599 brick will will look good for a hundred 1622 01:03:03,599 --> 01:03:04,160 years. 1623 01:03:04,160 --> 01:03:07,119 >> And historical traditional has vertical 1624 01:03:07,119 --> 01:03:07,760 windows. 1625 01:03:07,760 --> 01:03:08,720 >> Yes, exactly. 1626 01:03:08,720 --> 01:03:09,599 >> Yeah. 1627 01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:11,359 >> Bring it up and 1628 01:03:11,359 --> 01:03:12,720 >> All right, Kate. Next one. 1629 01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,079 >> It's nice detail underneath. 1630 01:03:14,079 --> 01:03:15,280 >> Yeah, the little corbals. 1631 01:03:15,280 --> 01:03:17,440 >> Yeah, that looks soft or whatever. 1632 01:03:17,440 --> 01:03:19,119 >> Yeah. So, just again another red brick 1633 01:03:19,119 --> 01:03:21,920 building and and you know, if if at some 1634 01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,039 point somebody wants to do a little 1635 01:03:23,039 --> 01:03:24,319 renovation of building, you know what? 1636 01:03:24,319 --> 01:03:26,480 The red brick stays looks great. And 1637 01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:27,839 then there could be, you know, perhaps 1638 01:03:27,839 --> 01:03:29,280 something over the windows or other 1639 01:03:29,280 --> 01:03:31,200 little design elements, but the basics 1640 01:03:31,200 --> 01:03:32,720 of the building look good. Okay, next 1641 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,000 one. 1642 01:03:34,000 --> 01:03:35,440 >> Um, I think this is the Ezra Lee 1643 01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:36,880 building. We can look at several. Oh, 1644 01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:38,160 let me that's what what I wanted to show 1645 01:03:38,160 --> 01:03:40,240 you here is some of the buildings we'll 1646 01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,440 look at. I think that that it's just too 1647 01:03:43,440 --> 01:03:45,440 much uninterrupted 1648 01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:47,920 wall exterior wall all on the same 1649 01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,680 plane, right? I think what looks I mean 1650 01:03:49,680 --> 01:03:52,000 obviously Ezra Lee is top architect and 1651 01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:54,400 designer in the state but you know this 1652 01:03:54,400 --> 01:03:56,400 just a nice building right with it with 1653 01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:57,839 the brick 1654 01:03:57,839 --> 01:04:00,079 >> um you've got a covering there you've 1655 01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:02,400 got these tall rectangular uh you know 1656 01:04:02,400 --> 01:04:03,920 dark framed windows 1657 01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:04,799 >> piece of material 1658 01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:07,359 >> and it's a modern look but yet but 1659 01:04:07,359 --> 01:04:09,760 traditional that this will look 50 years 1660 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:10,319 exactly 1661 01:04:10,319 --> 01:04:12,480 >> what's interesting is this front piece 1662 01:04:12,480 --> 01:04:15,520 that forms the five peak or whatever 1663 01:04:15,520 --> 01:04:17,920 that's all faux there's nothing behind 1664 01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:21,039 it. That's a faux um because they did 1665 01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:23,520 that in saloons and stuff, right? They 1666 01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,520 had the faux front so it looked bigger 1667 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:26,160 than it really was. 1668 01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:27,440 >> You could do that on top of a building, 1669 01:04:27,440 --> 01:04:29,280 right? And and and it would it adds 1670 01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:31,920 interest and height when there's really 1671 01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:33,200 a flat roof behind it. 1672 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,280 >> Exactly. So, you know, ultimately if if 1673 01:04:35,280 --> 01:04:36,799 we're looking at a revision of these 1674 01:04:36,799 --> 01:04:38,559 guidelines, we talk about, you know, 1675 01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:40,799 overhangs, you know, framed windows, 1676 01:04:40,799 --> 01:04:41,839 there's little little, you know, 1677 01:04:41,839 --> 01:04:43,920 interesting little concrete. 1678 01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:45,119 >> I'm not an architect. whatever you call 1679 01:04:45,119 --> 01:04:46,799 the piece above the window, but that 1680 01:04:46,799 --> 01:04:48,880 parapit, right, that that takes and 1681 01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:50,480 otherwise, you know, would would have 1682 01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:52,480 just been a flat straight roof, but it 1683 01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:54,799 breaks that up. And again, it's faux. 1684 01:04:54,799 --> 01:04:57,200 There's nothing behind it, but it it it 1685 01:04:57,200 --> 01:05:00,000 just really makes the building pop. 1686 01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:00,880 >> So, 1687 01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:02,640 >> okay, next one. 1688 01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,799 >> Um, again, just again interesting 1689 01:05:04,799 --> 01:05:07,039 elements to to Troy's point, design 1690 01:05:07,039 --> 01:05:09,119 elements. You see the lights, you see 1691 01:05:09,119 --> 01:05:10,160 the overhangs, 1692 01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,240 >> and if the fire station had that, it 1693 01:05:12,240 --> 01:05:13,280 might be great, you know. 1694 01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:14,720 >> Exactly. and and and that stuff's 1695 01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:16,400 probably not all that expensive, right? 1696 01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:20,880 But but it's the small touches that that make it look so nice. And u All 1697 01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:24,079 right, next one. Um okay, so again, a 1698 01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:25,920 traditional bu building, red brick, but 1699 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:27,599 you know, you can continue to design a 1700 01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:30,960 city around that. Um all right, let's go 1701 01:05:30,960 --> 01:05:32,160 to the next one. I think we're going to 1702 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:35,200 go outside of the city now. Okay, these 1703 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:36,559 are 1704 01:05:36,559 --> 01:05:38,480 >> I think Okay, these are down in Pleasant 1705 01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,400 Grove, right? And that's, you know, with 1706 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:42,559 this, like I like the red brick. You 1707 01:05:42,559 --> 01:05:44,720 know, those windows look nice both on 1708 01:05:44,720 --> 01:05:46,480 the upper story and below. You've kind 1709 01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,880 of got that nice design element. The the 1710 01:05:48,880 --> 01:05:51,200 cover over the windows. Um, you see 1711 01:05:51,200 --> 01:05:52,720 those, you know, windows up high on the 1712 01:05:52,720 --> 01:05:55,359 side. The the the corner there, it juts 1713 01:05:55,359 --> 01:05:56,880 out a little bit, so you just don't have 1714 01:05:56,880 --> 01:05:59,680 just a solid boring wall. But again, 1715 01:05:59,680 --> 01:06:01,119 nicely done. That building will look 1716 01:06:01,119 --> 01:06:04,160 nice decades from now. And and again, we 1717 01:06:04,160 --> 01:06:06,319 can just pop through the rest. And um 1718 01:06:06,319 --> 01:06:08,720 you know, I mean that one I I that one I 1719 01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,960 like the brick. I thought, you know, 1720 01:06:10,960 --> 01:06:12,160 >> it's kind of the back of the building. 1721 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:13,440 It could have done a little more. And I 1722 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:14,559 mean, that's almost looks more like a 1723 01:06:14,559 --> 01:06:17,520 jail, you know, like like a 19th century 1724 01:06:17,520 --> 01:06:19,440 jail, but it is the backside, right? 1725 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,039 >> Put soldier bricks above the windows. 1726 01:06:21,039 --> 01:06:22,720 >> Yeah. Yeah. There's something there. So, 1727 01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:23,520 yeah. 1728 01:06:23,520 --> 01:06:24,720 >> So, this is more like the front of that 1729 01:06:24,720 --> 01:06:26,240 building, right? Where they they do make 1730 01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:27,280 it a little nicer. 1731 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:29,200 >> Was this going to get a sign above the 1732 01:06:29,200 --> 01:06:29,760 awning? 1733 01:06:29,760 --> 01:06:30,559 >> Yeah, probably. 1734 01:06:30,559 --> 01:06:32,079 >> Because you can see a light. Break that 1735 01:06:32,079 --> 01:06:32,480 up. 1736 01:06:32,480 --> 01:06:34,559 >> Looks like a little Yeah. 1737 01:06:34,559 --> 01:06:35,839 >> Yeah. There's something a little hang I 1738 01:06:35,839 --> 01:06:38,000 think they're waiting for a sign. Yeah. 1739 01:06:38,000 --> 01:06:40,079 >> All right, Kaden. Next. 1740 01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:42,400 >> Um Oh, somewhere back. That's just 1741 01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:45,039 >> That's just Ezra Lee. Yeah. So, we can 1742 01:06:45,039 --> 01:06:47,359 go on from there. 1743 01:06:47,359 --> 01:06:48,960 >> I want to go see the fire station you 1744 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:50,319 keep talking about in Cedar Hill. 1745 01:06:50,319 --> 01:06:53,599 >> Oh, I need to Yeah, I need to just 1746 01:06:53,599 --> 01:06:54,960 >> Oh, yeah. These are the last few then 1747 01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:56,640 we'll be done with these. So, I just 1748 01:06:56,640 --> 01:06:59,599 took a picture. This Oh, so this is uh 1749 01:06:59,599 --> 01:07:01,839 this is Cedar Hills and it's right 1750 01:07:01,839 --> 01:07:03,520 behind the Walmart. These are these are 1751 01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:06,480 Ezra buildings and it's right on the 1752 01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:08,799 roundabout. Yeah. Yeah. So again, nice 1753 01:07:08,799 --> 01:07:11,200 brick um you know you know again some 1754 01:07:11,200 --> 01:07:13,599 elements around the windows 1755 01:07:13,599 --> 01:07:15,520 >> uh that the rectangular black frame 1756 01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:17,440 window next caden 1757 01:07:17,440 --> 01:07:19,200 >> and again that's a nice design element. 1758 01:07:19,200 --> 01:07:21,200 So for example if we had wood right if 1759 01:07:21,200 --> 01:07:22,480 that's you know like that would be nice 1760 01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:24,880 as a wood support with that canopy you 1761 01:07:24,880 --> 01:07:26,160 know over an entrance. 1762 01:07:26,160 --> 01:07:27,599 >> Look at the nice molding on the roof 1763 01:07:27,599 --> 01:07:30,240 >> cornice top. Yeah. So those are just 1764 01:07:30,240 --> 01:07:31,839 these item we want to think about like a 1765 01:07:31,839 --> 01:07:34,480 you know coronus a paraput um again they 1766 01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:36,000 take the building and you can also 1767 01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:38,720 notice they do a little brick um you 1768 01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:41,280 know above that uh that that covering 1769 01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:41,920 >> they made them 1770 01:07:41,920 --> 01:07:43,440 >> there's a design with the brick 1771 01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:45,680 >> called soldier style that's what John 1772 01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:47,280 Wow how'd you guys know that 1773 01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:49,839 >> I'm such a cretton I'm a peasant I don't 1774 01:07:49,839 --> 01:07:50,960 know these things 1775 01:07:50,960 --> 01:07:53,119 >> looks like they're standing in attention 1776 01:07:53,119 --> 01:07:54,960 >> yes there you go but see how they pop 1777 01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:56,720 that next building out you know a couple 1778 01:07:56,720 --> 01:07:59,280 of feet to just break up the plane so 1779 01:07:59,280 --> 01:08:00,960 And then and then the that door is a 1780 01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,960 little indented. So, you know, that's a 1781 01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:04,079 nice design element 1782 01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:04,640 >> for sure. 1783 01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:09,119 >> Um and yeah, and so Oh, this is I think 1784 01:08:09,119 --> 01:08:10,480 this is the pleasant grove. But I 1785 01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:11,599 thought that that's really pretty, 1786 01:08:11,599 --> 01:08:12,880 right? The way they've got the lower 1787 01:08:12,880 --> 01:08:16,319 windows, the upper windows that uh um 1788 01:08:16,319 --> 01:08:18,159 covering, you know, between the first 1789 01:08:18,159 --> 01:08:20,960 and second floors. So um I think those 1790 01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:22,719 are just you know when you're out and 1791 01:08:22,719 --> 01:08:24,400 around if you see you know buildings 1792 01:08:24,400 --> 01:08:27,120 both inside and outside of Alpine that 1793 01:08:27,120 --> 01:08:29,199 oh you know some more right where the 1794 01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:31,359 elevation is very interesting because it 1795 01:08:31,359 --> 01:08:33,440 pops out and a few different materials 1796 01:08:33,440 --> 01:08:34,000 so 1797 01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,359 >> cohesive with the 1798 01:08:35,359 --> 01:08:36,799 >> yeah very yeah exactly 1799 01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:38,719 >> right look at how different that is 1800 01:08:38,719 --> 01:08:40,239 >> and you see those concrete elements 1801 01:08:40,239 --> 01:08:43,279 above the windows and you know 1802 01:08:43,279 --> 01:08:44,719 >> so you know I just say when you're out 1803 01:08:44,719 --> 01:08:45,920 and around if we start building a 1804 01:08:45,920 --> 01:08:49,040 library of of samples because ultimately 1805 01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,120 I would like to incorporate 1806 01:08:51,120 --> 01:08:55,279 >> the the examples that would be most 1807 01:08:55,279 --> 01:08:59,040 helpful to future city councils and 1808 01:08:59,040 --> 01:09:01,440 planning commissions and developers as 1809 01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:03,359 they're trying to figure out well go 1810 01:09:03,359 --> 01:09:05,759 >> what do they want in Alpine right 1811 01:09:05,759 --> 01:09:08,640 >> if we if if we had 1812 01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,560 ultimately I think we'll be sitting here 1813 01:09:10,560 --> 01:09:15,120 looking at 30 40 50 different you know 1814 01:09:15,120 --> 01:09:16,239 pictures 1815 01:09:16,239 --> 01:09:18,719 >> narrowing it down to you know 10 or so 1816 01:09:18,719 --> 01:09:21,199 10 or 12 or what, however many with 1817 01:09:21,199 --> 01:09:22,960 pictures of certain elements that we can 1818 01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,199 describe and provide illustrations for 1819 01:09:25,199 --> 01:09:27,199 and really just give a road map to to 1820 01:09:27,199 --> 01:09:28,400 you know future city planners. 1821 01:09:28,400 --> 01:09:30,640 >> It's going to be your legacy. 1822 01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,000 >> I went out to John 1823 01:09:32,000 --> 01:09:33,600 >> knowing how we operate. I might be dead. 1824 01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:36,080 >> Yeah. During that last meeting, John 1825 01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:39,199 mentioned Pasa Robas as that he found 1826 01:09:39,199 --> 01:09:41,199 that on the web as we were kind of all 1827 01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:43,839 googling and I went back to that website 1828 01:09:43,839 --> 01:09:45,839 to their city website and they have a 1829 01:09:45,839 --> 01:09:49,759 very intense um design guidelines. They 1830 01:09:49,759 --> 01:09:51,920 have standards and they have guidelines 1831 01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:54,719 and they're very clear that standards 1832 01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:56,880 are a must, right? Like your setbacks 1833 01:09:56,880 --> 01:09:59,199 and then they have guidelines. Now they 1834 01:09:59,199 --> 01:10:02,080 have differences because they're they 1835 01:10:02,080 --> 01:10:05,120 have Victorian style. They have Spanish 1836 01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:06,960 revival or mission you would call it 1837 01:10:06,960 --> 01:10:09,520 mission style and then they have the red 1838 01:10:09,520 --> 01:10:12,480 brick style. So they have defined 1839 01:10:12,480 --> 01:10:14,640 whereas we really only have one. We 1840 01:10:14,640 --> 01:10:17,040 don't have much Victorian around here. 1841 01:10:17,040 --> 01:10:18,560 We don't have really any at all. And 1842 01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:20,640 there's of course no Spanish, no tile 1843 01:10:20,640 --> 01:10:23,199 roofs and that. But it was very they're 1844 01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:27,600 they have a great PDF and a great um 1845 01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:29,920 it's easy to find if you go to their 1846 01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:35,760 city website and Google their and they have defined their areas right 1847 01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:37,360 because they're a big city. So if you 1848 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,000 just kind of concentrate on their main 1849 01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,159 street master plan, I think they call it 1850 01:10:42,159 --> 01:10:43,360 something like that, 1851 01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,560 >> then it gives you an idea of you really 1852 01:10:46,560 --> 01:10:49,840 can set standards which were signs and 1853 01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,239 setbacks and a few things and then they 1854 01:10:52,239 --> 01:10:53,120 had guidelines. 1855 01:10:53,120 --> 01:10:57,199 >> Yeah, that'd be great. I mean, if we can model what we do Yeah. If we 1856 01:10:57,199 --> 01:10:59,520 can model what we do after, 1857 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,239 >> you know, again, I mean, 1858 01:11:02,239 --> 01:11:04,640 >> it's always easy to edit someone else's 1859 01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:05,199 work. 1860 01:11:05,199 --> 01:11:07,840 >> Yeah, exactly. And I I found that the 1861 01:11:07,840 --> 01:11:09,679 city of Boise 1862 01:11:09,679 --> 01:11:11,199 um 1863 01:11:11,199 --> 01:11:13,280 made an effort to create a historic 1864 01:11:13,280 --> 01:11:16,800 district design guidelines and and even 1865 01:11:16,800 --> 01:11:19,360 Salt Lake City has as well both in 1866 01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:24,320 ordinance form. Um they they talked in 1867 01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:25,840 generalities 1868 01:11:25,840 --> 01:11:27,360 about 1869 01:11:27,360 --> 01:11:31,199 keeping an alternating height 1870 01:11:31,199 --> 01:11:33,120 look going on as you as you put 1871 01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:35,360 buildings next to each other. They also 1872 01:11:35,360 --> 01:11:37,040 talked about the relief that Allan has 1873 01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,080 talked about. Um, 1874 01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,640 but outside of some of those things that 1875 01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:45,280 none of them got into details. 1876 01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,159 Um, and so from that standpoint, I 1877 01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:50,080 didn't think they were very helpful. I 1878 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,320 hope that whatever we come up with will 1879 01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:54,480 I mean I I would think that a a nice 1880 01:11:54,480 --> 01:11:56,719 little touch would be saying every red 1881 01:11:56,719 --> 01:11:58,800 brick building needs to have a concrete 1882 01:11:58,800 --> 01:12:00,800 lentil above the windows. 1883 01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:01,040 >> Yeah. 1884 01:12:01,040 --> 01:12:01,920 >> I mean if that 1885 01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:03,600 >> John you got all the terms listened to 1886 01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:04,800 you. 1887 01:12:04,800 --> 01:12:06,719 went on the whole street. 1888 01:12:06,719 --> 01:12:09,600 >> Oh, soldier soldier bricks 1889 01:12:09,600 --> 01:12:12,239 >> and black black light fixtures like just 1890 01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:14,159 things like that that pop on brick. 1891 01:12:14,159 --> 01:12:14,560 >> Yeah. 1892 01:12:14,560 --> 01:12:15,600 >> Oh, yeah. Exactly. 1893 01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,199 >> That's more prescriptive than any other 1894 01:12:17,199 --> 01:12:19,679 city has ever tried to do. But I think 1895 01:12:19,679 --> 01:12:22,400 >> Well, we're so small. We It's okay. We 1896 01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:22,880 don't 1897 01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:24,239 >> throw some lentils up. Throw some 1898 01:12:24,239 --> 01:12:26,880 soldiers in. Couple couple of historic 1899 01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:27,280 lamps. 1900 01:12:27,280 --> 01:12:29,520 >> No, you're bragging. 1901 01:12:29,520 --> 01:12:32,960 >> We got it. We got this. 1902 01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:33,920 >> All right. All right. Well, John's going 1903 01:12:33,920 --> 01:12:35,760 to be in charge of the document, so 1904 01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:37,199 because because he's got all the lingo. 1905 01:12:37,199 --> 01:12:38,800 Okay. I don't want to belabor the point, 1906 01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:43,040 but uh No, I think that's uh um um No, I 1907 01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:46,400 thought this will actually like that was just I just remember when we 1908 01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:47,920 went back through those guidelines a few 1909 01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:50,880 years ago. It was just so painful and 1910 01:12:50,880 --> 01:12:54,239 such a battle, but we're trying to work with kind of an 1911 01:12:54,239 --> 01:12:56,400 unworkable document. But it it would be 1912 01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:58,400 really fun to put something so much 1913 01:12:58,400 --> 01:13:00,320 better in place and kind of have that be 1914 01:13:00,320 --> 01:13:02,320 a bit of our bit of our legacy to the 1915 01:13:02,320 --> 01:13:03,679 city going forward. So that would be 1916 01:13:03,679 --> 01:13:04,080 good. 1917 01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:06,880 >> You're saving the people so much like 1918 01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:09,040 saving their time and their money just 1919 01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:10,320 they're going to see like these are our 1920 01:13:10,320 --> 01:13:12,320 guidelines and look how much fun we can 1921 01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:12,880 have with it 1922 01:13:12,880 --> 01:13:14,800 >> because that cost them a fair bit of 1923 01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,159 money just to come up with what they 1924 01:13:16,159 --> 01:13:17,199 did. I'm sure. 1925 01:13:17,199 --> 01:13:18,800 >> Yeah. Then if you build a home you 1926 01:13:18,800 --> 01:13:19,920 better bring all this stuff up and if it 1927 01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:22,320 gets denied I it's so nice to be like 1928 01:13:22,320 --> 01:13:24,159 this is so workable because I kind of 1929 01:13:24,159 --> 01:13:27,120 have a what is and isn't. 1930 01:13:27,120 --> 01:13:29,760 >> You know what? I've 1931 01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:32,159 >> Yeah. 1932 01:13:32,159 --> 01:13:33,760 And if I may just jump in real 1933 01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,199 quick just as and I know the whole 1934 01:13:35,199 --> 01:13:37,120 commission already knows this, but the 1935 01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:38,960 small area plan that you've worked so 1936 01:13:38,960 --> 01:13:40,239 diligently on 1937 01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:43,360 >> is a guiding document. It isn't the 1938 01:13:43,360 --> 01:13:45,360 ordinance as you all know. 1939 01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:47,120 >> And so the discussion you're having 1940 01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:48,640 today, I think is really important as 1941 01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:50,320 going forward once the city council 1942 01:13:50,320 --> 01:13:53,280 adopts that small area plan as a guiding 1943 01:13:53,280 --> 01:13:55,280 document. the ordinances that you want 1944 01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:57,920 to put in place, adding lentils, as John 1945 01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,280 says, above the windows and things like 1946 01:13:59,280 --> 01:14:00,480 that, that would have to be in the 1947 01:14:00,480 --> 01:14:02,159 ordinance. It probably wouldn't be 1948 01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:04,159 specified enough in the small area plan. 1949 01:14:04,159 --> 01:14:04,719 >> Right. Yeah. 1950 01:14:04,719 --> 01:14:05,040 >> Right. 1951 01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:06,640 >> No, I I I agree with that. I mean, I 1952 01:14:06,640 --> 01:14:08,400 think there's, you know, I've had some 1953 01:14:08,400 --> 01:14:09,840 discussions with a couple city council 1954 01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:12,239 members who feel like, for example, that 1955 01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:16,239 we need more specificity 1956 01:14:16,239 --> 01:14:18,560 from the planning commission on their 1957 01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:20,800 recommendations to the small area plan. 1958 01:14:20,800 --> 01:14:23,520 And I'm just not sure that's accurate. I 1959 01:14:23,520 --> 01:14:26,239 mean because it again it's a guiding 1960 01:14:26,239 --> 01:14:28,640 document for sure and perhaps there 1961 01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:29,840 going to be a little more meat on the 1962 01:14:29,840 --> 01:14:32,400 bone but ultimately when we kind of take 1963 01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:36,159 you know basically some of those broad 1964 01:14:36,159 --> 01:14:38,480 recommendations to the small area plan 1965 01:14:38,480 --> 01:14:40,239 but then really flesh them out in the 1966 01:14:40,239 --> 01:14:42,800 actual binding 1967 01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:45,360 uh document that is going to be the 1968 01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:48,800 ordinance right and the the um gateway 1969 01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:50,560 historic district I think that's where 1970 01:14:50,560 --> 01:14:52,800 we really you know because again we'll 1971 01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,800 work on that and then provide that final 1972 01:14:54,800 --> 01:14:57,600 document to city council. So I think I 1973 01:14:57,600 --> 01:15:00,400 think you know Kaden to your point that 1974 01:15:00,400 --> 01:15:04,239 specificity really will the small area 1975 01:15:04,239 --> 01:15:06,880 plan will just give us the ability to go 1976 01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,760 back with more specificity to amend and 1977 01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:13,920 then present um a revised uh gateway 1978 01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:17,760 historic plan. So yeah and and I would 1979 01:15:17,760 --> 01:15:18,960 imagine we'll discuss that a little bit 1980 01:15:18,960 --> 01:15:21,280 tomorrow. So, by the way, on this 1981 01:15:21,280 --> 01:15:24,800 commission, who will be at the the um 1982 01:15:24,800 --> 01:15:26,880 joint planning commission city council 1983 01:15:26,880 --> 01:15:29,679 meeting tomorrow? 3:30 to 5. 1984 01:15:29,679 --> 01:15:31,280 >> Yeah, pretty sure I can be there. 1985 01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:32,880 >> Okay, I'll be there as well. 1986 01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:33,760 >> I'll try. 1987 01:15:33,760 --> 01:15:34,080 >> Okay, 1988 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:34,960 >> you be there, John. 1989 01:15:34,960 --> 01:15:37,120 >> Uh yeah, I think we you know. 1990 01:15:37,120 --> 01:15:38,239 >> Okay. Yeah, no worries. Just let me 1991 01:15:38,239 --> 01:15:40,159 know. Yeah, Greg and and John are or 1992 01:15:40,159 --> 01:15:43,199 John uh Greg and Jeff are both out of 1993 01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:45,520 town. So, um All right. Well, we'll see 1994 01:15:45,520 --> 01:15:47,040 you tomorrow. All right. Last thing on 1995 01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:48,640 here is anybody a chance to go through 1996 01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:51,040 the minutes and do an approval. 1997 01:15:51,040 --> 01:15:53,920 >> Did we did we get new minutes? I didn't 1998 01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:55,920 have all of our motions. 1999 01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:57,920 >> We're we're approving for two weeks. 2000 01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,040 >> The other one was not This is the only 2001 01:16:01,040 --> 01:16:04,000 >> This is the one 2002 01:16:04,000 --> 01:16:06,480 >> the March 31st. That's correct. It was 2003 01:16:06,480 --> 01:16:09,520 not approved yet. Is that right? 2004 01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:15,350 >> I forgot about that. I apologize. 2005 01:16:15,360 --> 01:16:16,960 » Yeah. 2006 01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,159 Okay. Um, yeah. So, all right. We'll do 2007 01:16:20,159 --> 01:16:22,000 want to go ahead and and uh then do a 2008 01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:24,320 motion to approve these minutes. Uh, but 2009 01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:26,560 also just make a note that we're still 2010 01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:29,920 looking for prior meeting minutes. 2011 01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:30,960 >> Is that where we are? 2012 01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:31,520 >> Y. 2013 01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:34,159 >> Okay. 2014 01:16:34,159 --> 01:16:39,760 >> Oh, I um I approve the minutes from May 2015 01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:42,320 5th, 2026 2016 01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:46,880 of planning commission meeting as written. 2017 01:16:46,880 --> 01:16:48,800 >> Okay. Have a motion to approve the 2018 01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,480 minutes by Michelle Shurmer. Do I have a 2019 01:16:50,480 --> 01:16:51,120 second? 2020 01:16:51,120 --> 01:16:51,920 >> Second. 2021 01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,440 by I I think Suz beat you to it. 2022 01:16:55,440 --> 01:16:57,040 So second by Suz Wittenberg. All in 2023 01:16:57,040 --> 01:16:58,080 favor? 2024 01:16:58,080 --> 01:17:01,199 >> I uh with the with the caveat that 2025 01:17:01,199 --> 01:17:03,199 perhaps next time Kaden we can take a 2026 01:17:03,199 --> 01:17:04,640 look at the 2027 01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:05,120 >> Yes. 2028 01:17:05,120 --> 01:17:06,640 >> Whatever whatever meeting minutes we 2029 01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:08,800 still need to uh review and approve. 2030 01:17:08,800 --> 01:17:09,760 >> March 31st. 2031 01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:10,400 >> Okay. March. 2032 01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:11,520 >> That was my first day here and I 2033 01:17:11,520 --> 01:17:12,800 actually didn't come to that meeting. 2034 01:17:12,800 --> 01:17:13,520 >> We're not hold that. 2035 01:17:13,520 --> 01:17:14,800 >> I'll put that on you. You said you 2036 01:17:14,800 --> 01:17:15,199 passed. 2037 01:17:15,199 --> 01:17:18,080 >> We We blame Ryan. Okay. Cuz he's not 2038 01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:20,000 here. It's easiest. All right. Uh, 2039 01:17:20,000 --> 01:17:23,199 anything else? 2040 01:17:23,199 --> 01:17:25,920 >> Entertain a motion to adjurnn. 2041 01:17:25,920 --> 01:17:27,679 >> I move we adjourn this meeting. 2042 01:17:27,679 --> 01:17:30,000 >> All right. We have a motion to adjurnn 2043 01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:32,880 by Suz Wittenberg. Do we have a second? 2044 01:17:32,880 --> 01:17:36,880 >> All in favor? I